Improving public health is often expressed in terms of numbers: more doctors, more nurses, more matrons etc. But thinking in numbers often bypasses a discussion of the kind of relationships we as patients have with these people. You are less likely to get better if you don't trust the person looking after you. In this Demos podcast Harry Cayton and Angela Coulter lead a discussion about the relationships between doctors and patients. They have both been at the heart of debates about patient engagement in health for years - Harry as patient tsar at the Department of Health and formerly head of The Alzheimer's Society and Angela as head of the Picker Institute.