With Mike Sugarbaker, Allan Sugarbaker and Chris Hanrahan. Discussed: GenCon 05 big picture; Hecatomb not taking off; Privateer's announcement of Hordes; True Dungeon; GenCon SoCal; Discernment, Breaking The Ice, and other indie RPGs found at the Forge; the rest of the major GenCon RPGs; D&D Minis; A&A Minis; Ticket to Ride and the Diana Jones Award; WarMachine: Apotheosis; current favorites and new releases.
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