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Digital Tipping Point: Real-time Linux hacker Bill Huey discusses Linux kernel society 07
- Publication date
- 2004
- Topics
- Bill Huey, Huey, Bill, meritocracy, Code as Creative Expression, Apple OS X, GNOME, Sun Microsystems, Mono, Microsoft's .Net, Miguel de Icaza, Icaza, Miguel de
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- DTP Crew
This is one of many short video segments which will be added to the Digital Tipping Point (DTP) archive. Thanks to Thomas King, a writer for Linux.com and LXer, for doing the rough editing for this series of interview segments!
In this series of 15 interview segments, real-time Linux kernel developer Bill Huey talks about his experience with the efficacy of the Linux kernel society. He explains why he thinks that the Linux kernel project has proven to be such a huge success over more than a decade of existence, while other Free Open Source Software communities have proven less viable. He also compares the strength and weaknesses of corporate software development versus his experience with the Linux kernel.
In segment 07 (Tape 156~001), Bill says one of the great things about Free Open Source Software (FOSS) projects is that it is a meritocracy, and anyone with the skills can participate and be recognized and have their contributions included and valued. FOSS has no notion of education or age or class structure or whether you are from a large corporation or a hobbyist. FOSS is a powerful system because it rewards the best ideas. The BSD community is somewhat exclusionary, but the Linux community is more inclusive. FOSS groups allow people to express themselves without censorship, which you might find in a large corporation. It's a very powerful notion of expression. He then talks about why people write FOSS code. One reason is because it's fun. It's fun to have a positive impact. Not feeling boxed in and having alternatives for self-expression is fun. FOSS work is often more fun than one's own job.
In segment 08 (Tape 156~002), Bill says that he is responsible for most of the Java stuff for the Berkeley Unix community. Bill jokingly "bitches" about Sun Microsystems. He says that Sun has the classic lack of leadership problem. Sun has not adapted to Linux, he says. They are still in the big mainframe mindset. [Remember that this is a 204 interview]. Linux is providing more leadership than Sun. He says that their Java Desktop Linux operating system is a rip-off of GNOME. He thought that with Sun's talent they could do better at making their Desktop Linux better. He says that Apple's OS X is the cream of the crop for user interfaces. It is the ideal that Microsoft and the Linux communities are trying to achieve. He says that Sun could achieve this same user friendliness. Bill is a fan of the GNOME desktop. He thinks that it is very user friendly. He says that Sun dropped the ball with Java, which allowed Microsoft to gain some traction with its .Net initiatives. [Bill talks more about .Net and Mono and Miguel de Icaza in the next segment]
In segment 09 (Tape 156~003), Bill says that he thinks that Miguel de Icaza started Mono because he thought that .Net was a huge threat to the Linux community. Bill thinks Miguel is misguided in this regard. Java is a better technology than .Net. He also thinks that Mono is coarse. He is not sure how Microsoft is going to pull off .Net. Linux with Mono can go either direction either Java or .Net. Sun could mow down .Net technologically if they got themselves together. He switches topic and talks about progress in recent programming languages. He says that they are becoming more efficient. He is referring to object-oriented languages. He says though that it is not clear if object-oriented programming will address all of the issues that it needs to address.
All of the segments of Bill Huey's interview can be found here:
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_003_004.ogg (segment 01)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_005.ogg (segment 02)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_006.ogg (segment 03)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_007.ogg (segment 04)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_008.ogg (segment 05)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_009.ogg (segment 06)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_001.ogg (segment 07)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_002.ogg (segment 08)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_003.ogg (segment 09)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_004.ogg (segment 10)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_005.ogg (segment 11)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_006.ogg (segment 12)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_007.ogg (segment 13)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_008.ogg (segment 14)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_009.ogg (segment 15)
This footage is our raw rough-cut footage. It lacks transitions, music, special effectsor finish rendering. It is our "source code". Please feel free to rip, mix and burn this footage consistent with our Creative Commons license as disclosed on this page.
If you like this segment, please consider typing up a summary for it and emailing that summary to Christian Einfeldt at einfeldt@gmail.com. Your work will be credited and posted on this page.
The DTP will be many, many films created by the global open source video community about how open source is changing their lives. We, the DTP crew, are submitting this footage for anyone to rip, mix, and burn under the Creative Commons Attribute - ShareAlike license. We welcome edits, transcriptions, graphics, music, and animation contributions to the film. Please send a link for any contributions to Christian Einfeldt at einfeldt@gmail.com.
Or, if you would like to contribute by directly transcribing this particular video segment, you can do so by going here:
http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php/Tape_156
and typing the audio as you hear it into the wiki. Please be sure to add the transcription for this segment under: Segment 001, Bill Huey
You can find other ways to contribute by going to our wiki front page here:
http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Thanks for viewing our video!
In this series of 15 interview segments, real-time Linux kernel developer Bill Huey talks about his experience with the efficacy of the Linux kernel society. He explains why he thinks that the Linux kernel project has proven to be such a huge success over more than a decade of existence, while other Free Open Source Software communities have proven less viable. He also compares the strength and weaknesses of corporate software development versus his experience with the Linux kernel.
In segment 07 (Tape 156~001), Bill says one of the great things about Free Open Source Software (FOSS) projects is that it is a meritocracy, and anyone with the skills can participate and be recognized and have their contributions included and valued. FOSS has no notion of education or age or class structure or whether you are from a large corporation or a hobbyist. FOSS is a powerful system because it rewards the best ideas. The BSD community is somewhat exclusionary, but the Linux community is more inclusive. FOSS groups allow people to express themselves without censorship, which you might find in a large corporation. It's a very powerful notion of expression. He then talks about why people write FOSS code. One reason is because it's fun. It's fun to have a positive impact. Not feeling boxed in and having alternatives for self-expression is fun. FOSS work is often more fun than one's own job.
In segment 08 (Tape 156~002), Bill says that he is responsible for most of the Java stuff for the Berkeley Unix community. Bill jokingly "bitches" about Sun Microsystems. He says that Sun has the classic lack of leadership problem. Sun has not adapted to Linux, he says. They are still in the big mainframe mindset. [Remember that this is a 204 interview]. Linux is providing more leadership than Sun. He says that their Java Desktop Linux operating system is a rip-off of GNOME. He thought that with Sun's talent they could do better at making their Desktop Linux better. He says that Apple's OS X is the cream of the crop for user interfaces. It is the ideal that Microsoft and the Linux communities are trying to achieve. He says that Sun could achieve this same user friendliness. Bill is a fan of the GNOME desktop. He thinks that it is very user friendly. He says that Sun dropped the ball with Java, which allowed Microsoft to gain some traction with its .Net initiatives. [Bill talks more about .Net and Mono and Miguel de Icaza in the next segment]
In segment 09 (Tape 156~003), Bill says that he thinks that Miguel de Icaza started Mono because he thought that .Net was a huge threat to the Linux community. Bill thinks Miguel is misguided in this regard. Java is a better technology than .Net. He also thinks that Mono is coarse. He is not sure how Microsoft is going to pull off .Net. Linux with Mono can go either direction either Java or .Net. Sun could mow down .Net technologically if they got themselves together. He switches topic and talks about progress in recent programming languages. He says that they are becoming more efficient. He is referring to object-oriented languages. He says though that it is not clear if object-oriented programming will address all of the issues that it needs to address.
All of the segments of Bill Huey's interview can be found here:
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_003_004.ogg (segment 01)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_005.ogg (segment 02)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_006.ogg (segment 03)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_007.ogg (segment 04)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_008.ogg (segment 05)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv155_sf_03_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_009.ogg (segment 06)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_001.ogg (segment 07)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_002.ogg (segment 08)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_003.ogg (segment 09)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_004.ogg (segment 10)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_005.ogg (segment 11)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_006.ogg (segment 12)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_007.ogg (segment 13)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_008.ogg (segment 14)
http://www.archive.org/details/e-dv156_sf_02_bill_huey_linux_realtime_architecture_009.ogg (segment 15)
This footage is our raw rough-cut footage. It lacks transitions, music, special effectsor finish rendering. It is our "source code". Please feel free to rip, mix and burn this footage consistent with our Creative Commons license as disclosed on this page.
If you like this segment, please consider typing up a summary for it and emailing that summary to Christian Einfeldt at einfeldt@gmail.com. Your work will be credited and posted on this page.
The DTP will be many, many films created by the global open source video community about how open source is changing their lives. We, the DTP crew, are submitting this footage for anyone to rip, mix, and burn under the Creative Commons Attribute - ShareAlike license. We welcome edits, transcriptions, graphics, music, and animation contributions to the film. Please send a link for any contributions to Christian Einfeldt at einfeldt@gmail.com.
Or, if you would like to contribute by directly transcribing this particular video segment, you can do so by going here:
http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php/Tape_156
and typing the audio as you hear it into the wiki. Please be sure to add the transcription for this segment under: Segment 001, Bill Huey
You can find other ways to contribute by going to our wiki front page here:
http://digitaltippingpoint.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Thanks for viewing our video!
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For credits for this segment and all segments for the DTP main film, please go to this website:
http://digitaltippingpoint.com/?q=node/12
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