Grateful Dead Live at Avalon Ballroom on 1966-09-16
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- 1966-09-16 ( check for other copies)
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Set 1
I Know You Rider, It Hurts Me Too, It's All Over Now Baby Blue, Good Morning Little School Girl, Lindy, Dancin' In The Streets, E: Midnight Hour
Actual date for list unknown -first Kelly/Mouse skull & rose - Other artist(s): Oxford Circle
I Know You Rider, It Hurts Me Too, It's All Over Now Baby Blue, Good Morning Little School Girl, Lindy, Dancin' In The Streets, E: Midnight Hour
Actual date for list unknown -first Kelly/Mouse skull & rose - Other artist(s): Oxford Circle
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Versions - Different performances of the song by the same artist
Compilations - Other albums which feature this performance of the song
Covers - Performances of a song with the same name by different artists
Song Title | Versions | Compilations | Covers |
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Good Morning Little Schoolgirl | |||
Lindy | |||
Stealin | |||
The Same Thing | |||
I Know You Rider | |||
It Hurts Me Too | |||
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue | |||
Dancin' In The Streets | |||
In The Midnight Hour |
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- 2011-12-05 13:07:48
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- gd1966-09-16.117435.vinyl.sbd.indidarkstar.flac24
- Location
- San Francisco, CA
- Run time
- 67:53.159
- Type
- sound
- Venue
- Avalon Ballroom
- Year
- 1966
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Reviewer:
Mind Wondrin
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August 7, 2023
Subject: History of the Historic
The two LPs that were originally released on the Sunflower label in 1970 & 1971. These were recorded at the Avalon, which had a deal with a studio for live releases. They were not issued by the band (i. e. WB), but were not bootlegs. They were legal, on a real label, and were distributed to stores normally. In fact they were common in bins for awhile and there are a lot of copies out there. They cost a dollar or so less than the OFF records, so a lot of young listeners first heard these. The studio went under, ownership went to MGM, and they dug out the tapes as a result of the success of Workingman's, pressing Vintage Dead; and again after American Beauty, issuing Historic Dead. The confusion starts when in '72 they released, on the Pride label, a compilation titled "The History of", which has the tracks from Vintage plus two from Historic. In 1973 the Dead released the similarly titled History of the Grateful Dead, vol. 1 (though we all call it Bear's Choice). The MGM/Avalon material also appeared on various labels in other countries with other artwork. Sonically, the four sides of the two original LPs divide into recordings from four shows. Because this was a deal with the Avalon, we can date the tracks as being from 11/66 to 1/67. As a placeholder, 12/24/66 has been penciled in. That date has Steve Miller and Moby Grape opening, and has a poster featuring a horned Santa.
Good Morning Little School Girl is a peppy version, and this show fragment also has the top version of Lindy (overseas stomp). It's likely these date to 11/4/66, 11/5, 11/13, 12/23, or 12/24. But they could also be 1/27/67, 1/28/67 or 1/29/67. Side 2 of Historic Dead was recorded in mono. Again, Stealin' and The Same Thing are great versions and great examples of the band in late '66. These two are also on the tape posted as 11/29 at The Matrix, but it's very unlikely any of this was recorded at the tiny Matrix instead of the Avalon. These two are from any of the same '66 dates. Weirdly, the record had room for a couple more songs; cost-cutting on the production/mastering?
Two frags = A-
The Vintage Dead tracks are not as good as or as representative as the later LP. The beginning of I Know You Rider has been edited, cross-faded with crowd noise. This has always been a classic and familiar version; a great early pick, with future Jer licks. In this era, with Phil on the verses, Jer can play more fills. But Phil didn't want to sing anymore, and after this it disappeared until Sep '69, attached to China Cat, w/Bobby & Jer singing. It Hurts Me Too is missing the first 10secs or so. Since the opening lick is also missing from All Over Now, Baby Blue, and knowing the label was choosing from many tracks, it appears to be a misguided production choice. Dancing in the Street is not a great version (but at least the LP labels have the correct spelling). Bobby uses "It's the winter of the year but the time's still here", allowing us to date the four songs from Side 1 to 12/23/66, 12/24/66, 1/27/67, 1/28/67 or 1/29/67. The opening chord is missing from Midnight Hour, and the screaming at the end was tacked on from elsewhere. It comes from any of the above dates.
Two frags = C
Overall = 3¾ stars
SOURCES: The vintagedead_25283; vernon_0127; and tzuriel_11503 are way slow compared to both the vinyl and the original concert pitch. The davenport_95970 and 146098_vintage-dead are true to the vinyl speed but not as clear. The 117435_vinyl_sbd_indidarkstar is noticeable cleaner, clearer and balanced, and matches the vinyl pitch. You have the choice to hear the original records, or to adjust the pitches if you want to hear how the real shows sounded. Just slightly fast, Side 2 of Historic Dead [Stealin'; Same Thing] needs -1% pitch correction. The Vintage Dead tracks [Rider though Midnight Hour] mostly need -1.5% correction. So Many Roads has I Know You Rider, with the channels switched and pitched fast, needing -1.25%.
Subject: History of the Historic
The two LPs that were originally released on the Sunflower label in 1970 & 1971. These were recorded at the Avalon, which had a deal with a studio for live releases. They were not issued by the band (i. e. WB), but were not bootlegs. They were legal, on a real label, and were distributed to stores normally. In fact they were common in bins for awhile and there are a lot of copies out there. They cost a dollar or so less than the OFF records, so a lot of young listeners first heard these. The studio went under, ownership went to MGM, and they dug out the tapes as a result of the success of Workingman's, pressing Vintage Dead; and again after American Beauty, issuing Historic Dead. The confusion starts when in '72 they released, on the Pride label, a compilation titled "The History of", which has the tracks from Vintage plus two from Historic. In 1973 the Dead released the similarly titled History of the Grateful Dead, vol. 1 (though we all call it Bear's Choice). The MGM/Avalon material also appeared on various labels in other countries with other artwork. Sonically, the four sides of the two original LPs divide into recordings from four shows. Because this was a deal with the Avalon, we can date the tracks as being from 11/66 to 1/67. As a placeholder, 12/24/66 has been penciled in. That date has Steve Miller and Moby Grape opening, and has a poster featuring a horned Santa.
Good Morning Little School Girl is a peppy version, and this show fragment also has the top version of Lindy (overseas stomp). It's likely these date to 11/4/66, 11/5, 11/13, 12/23, or 12/24. But they could also be 1/27/67, 1/28/67 or 1/29/67. Side 2 of Historic Dead was recorded in mono. Again, Stealin' and The Same Thing are great versions and great examples of the band in late '66. These two are also on the tape posted as 11/29 at The Matrix, but it's very unlikely any of this was recorded at the tiny Matrix instead of the Avalon. These two are from any of the same '66 dates. Weirdly, the record had room for a couple more songs; cost-cutting on the production/mastering?
Two frags = A-
The Vintage Dead tracks are not as good as or as representative as the later LP. The beginning of I Know You Rider has been edited, cross-faded with crowd noise. This has always been a classic and familiar version; a great early pick, with future Jer licks. In this era, with Phil on the verses, Jer can play more fills. But Phil didn't want to sing anymore, and after this it disappeared until Sep '69, attached to China Cat, w/Bobby & Jer singing. It Hurts Me Too is missing the first 10secs or so. Since the opening lick is also missing from All Over Now, Baby Blue, and knowing the label was choosing from many tracks, it appears to be a misguided production choice. Dancing in the Street is not a great version (but at least the LP labels have the correct spelling). Bobby uses "It's the winter of the year but the time's still here", allowing us to date the four songs from Side 1 to 12/23/66, 12/24/66, 1/27/67, 1/28/67 or 1/29/67. The opening chord is missing from Midnight Hour, and the screaming at the end was tacked on from elsewhere. It comes from any of the above dates.
Two frags = C
Overall = 3¾ stars
SOURCES: The vintagedead_25283; vernon_0127; and tzuriel_11503 are way slow compared to both the vinyl and the original concert pitch. The davenport_95970 and 146098_vintage-dead are true to the vinyl speed but not as clear. The 117435_vinyl_sbd_indidarkstar is noticeable cleaner, clearer and balanced, and matches the vinyl pitch. You have the choice to hear the original records, or to adjust the pitches if you want to hear how the real shows sounded. Just slightly fast, Side 2 of Historic Dead [Stealin'; Same Thing] needs -1% pitch correction. The Vintage Dead tracks [Rider though Midnight Hour] mostly need -1.5% correction. So Many Roads has I Know You Rider, with the channels switched and pitched fast, needing -1.25%.
Reviewer:
Satori70
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September 16, 2016
Subject: 50 years ago tonight
Subject: 50 years ago tonight
Slight low levels, but great energy and clearly the band is enjoying themselves. The crowd sounds like they're really digging it too, an so am I. A nice playful version of Lindy (reminds me of their Jug Band roots) and a brilliant Baby Blue. You can tell at this stage of their career, they're still getting their feet under them, but how old was Weir? 18? Stealin' lot of fun, and as already written, fantastic voyage with Pig on 'The Same Thing'. Wow ! He clearly was the leader at this point. My personal fav on this recording. Nice version, silky smooth. Great solos on all tracks and a real treat. A+
Reviewer:
fillmore bro
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July 17, 2014
Subject: Best Ever
Subject: Best Ever
I first heard this recording in 73 (releases by Pride Records in 72) . To this day I new I never would witness Jerry at his finest hour which is this recording.
The scale work is 12 to 14 frets of movement like a master jazz man with all balzy blues, and high speed bluegrass scales one song. I Know you Rider is on fire.
This is best Midnight Hour I have ever heard. The question and answer adlib between the drums/lead git/pig would make any black sole stop in his tracks. Jerry's solo have no lost sequeways on this version. A Banjo jam, acid solo, motown solo, blues solo and spot on ending at 18:21 minutes. Who the hell did that in 66? No one,
Dancin' puts anybody's idea of what acid rock is to shame. Ballroom dance on Lindy as good Chet Atkins. Blues power Schoolgirl,Same Thing and Hurt Me too.
Baby Blue is the first real electric version of Dylan acoustic tune.(forget anything the Byrds did). Jerry's vocal is a tear jerker. Great sophisticated (lots of frets used). Catchy lead git riff and great keys, bass drums, and rhythm git.
The scale work is 12 to 14 frets of movement like a master jazz man with all balzy blues, and high speed bluegrass scales one song. I Know you Rider is on fire.
This is best Midnight Hour I have ever heard. The question and answer adlib between the drums/lead git/pig would make any black sole stop in his tracks. Jerry's solo have no lost sequeways on this version. A Banjo jam, acid solo, motown solo, blues solo and spot on ending at 18:21 minutes. Who the hell did that in 66? No one,
Dancin' puts anybody's idea of what acid rock is to shame. Ballroom dance on Lindy as good Chet Atkins. Blues power Schoolgirl,Same Thing and Hurt Me too.
Baby Blue is the first real electric version of Dylan acoustic tune.(forget anything the Byrds did). Jerry's vocal is a tear jerker. Great sophisticated (lots of frets used). Catchy lead git riff and great keys, bass drums, and rhythm git.
Reviewer:
njpg
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September 16, 2013
Subject: -
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You know. It's early. Would have made an excellent 80s high-school band.
Reviewer:
Pierre55
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September 14, 2013
Subject: Wrong date, most likely
Subject: Wrong date, most likely
The songs from I Know You Rider on do not sound like September '66.
Listen to Dancing in the Streets, 2nd line:
"It's the winter of the year, but the time's still right for dancing in the streets"
Guessing it's sometime in December, Garcia's playing sounds more like late 66 early 67.
Listen to Dancing in the Streets, 2nd line:
"It's the winter of the year, but the time's still right for dancing in the streets"
Guessing it's sometime in December, Garcia's playing sounds more like late 66 early 67.
Reviewer:
PigpenLives
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December 12, 2011
Subject: very clean rip of the vinyl bootleg
Subject: very clean rip of the vinyl bootleg
This is a very clean rip of the same bootleg vinyl source material that other copies of this show are sourced from. I've spent a few minutes comparing it to the previous best available here - 95970. This version has less vinyl noise, hardly any actually. Very nice. On the other hand it has slightly lower levels and a wider channel separation, giving 95970 a bit more "punch". I don't think there's a clear winner. Which you prefer is probably going to come to personal taste.
Reviewer:
capsgd
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December 11, 2011
Subject: oxford circle-
Subject: oxford circle-
I think they had folks that went into Blue Cheer.
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