Grateful Dead Live at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum on 1985-03-28
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- 1985-03-28 ( check for other copies)
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- Soundboard, Matrix, Hunter Seamons
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- GratefulDead
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- Grateful Dead
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Truckin' ->
Smokestack Lightning * ->
High Time
El Paso
Peggy-O
Cassidy
China Cat Sunflower ->
I Know You Rider
* with Matthew Kelly on harp
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Song Title | Versions | Compilations | Covers |
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Tuning | |||
Truckin' -> | |||
Smokestack Lightning* -> | |||
High Time | |||
El Paso | |||
Peggy-O | |||
Cassidy | |||
China Cat Sunflower -> | |||
I Know You Rider |
Notes
*Matrix*
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SBD:
PCM > DAT > Sonic Solutions > CD
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AUD:
Recorded by the Oade Brothers
Transferred by Doug Oade, tracked by Darrin Sacks (dsacks@pcisys.net)
Field:
Schoeps CMC441s (90deg, 17cm) > Oade M118 > Oade mod SONY PCM-F1
Transfer:
Master PCM > DAW (via SEKD Prodif) > Wav > cdwav > Flac
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Thank you to Alan Fink and Mark Ferguson for the SBD transfer,
and to the Oade Brothers and Darrin Sacks for the AUD transfer.
Matrix by Hunter Seamons using Soundtrack/Final Cut Pro (SHN & FLAC>AIFF>Soundtrack>Final Cut>WAV>FLAC)
September 15, 2008
Set I
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d1t01 Tuning
d1t02 Truckin' ->
d1t03 Smokestack Lightning* ->
d1t04 High Time
d1t05 El Paso
d1t06 Peggy-O
d1t07 Cassidy
d1t08 China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t09 I Know You Rider
* with Matthew Kelly on harp
Notes:
The reason I did not initially use the PCM SBD source for the original full-length matrix - a source I was fully aware of - was due to somewhat misleading information, but ultimately my lack of full investigation.
So here's the whole story:
I first came across PLS's matrix of this show at shnflac.net, which included a fixed version and a DTS version. Scarfire, one of my matrix heroes, commented how awful the matrix was and that it should be redone. I heartily took up the task. The reasons I did not use the PCM initially are:
1) The PCM source had an "OCD" category icon next to it (although I don't think it should), which lead me to believe there was a "better" source out there.
2) Since PLS used the Griesman SBD, a source that came after the PCM, I assumed that that was the better version, despite a previous PCM being available. I thought there must have been problems with the PCM.
3) The preview button for the PCM source at shnflac.net had "vbr" listed in the streaming info, so I assumed it was the Hi-Fi vbr streaming sound. In spite of this, I think it is actually a straight 64Kbps Lo-Fi sound - which lead me to believe the source was poor sounding, for whatever reason.
4) For the PCM source at db.etree.org, it states there is an "upgrade" in circulation, referring to the Griesman SBD (which I think is not the best descriptor). However, I think the term "upgrade" is used to refer to the SBD source that has the whole show, not just set 1. But it is NOT an "upgrade" in terms of sound.
All these things naturally threw me off - and I did not have the actual PCM on hand at the time to verify, so this was ultimately my oversight.
Coincidentally, I recently downloaded the DVD bootleg of this show on shnflac.net and noticed the music used for the audio was awesome. I gathered that it must have been the PCM source that I never got to fully consult. Luckily, some good folk were still seeding the PCM at shnflac.net (via project '85), so I got it and realized it was really all good and not a "downgrade," as it were.
IN COMPARING THIS TO THE OTHER SBD SOURCE THEN:
1) This sounds MUCH better and is SIGNIFICANTLY less harsh on the ears.
2) Coincidentally, while I initially thought set 2 from the Griesman SBD was worse than set 1 because of some higher hiss, greater scrutiny has revealed that set 1 actually sounds worse in that it is harsher on the ears (sharper sounding, like knives digging in my ears). Luckily, the PCM was available for set 1, so now these files can essentially replace set 1 in the other matrix I did. So now a nice, smooth sounding matrix is available via two sources, as inconvenient - yet convenient - that is.
My suggestion to future seeders of this matrix as a whole, if so desired, is to seed a torrent with these "replacement" tracks along with set 2 from the other matrix source. Then it will be ALL GOOD in the end.
Peace.
-Hunter
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- Addeddate
- 2008-09-16 14:41:35
- Identifier
- gd1985-03-28.set1.mtx.seamons.94544.sbeok.flac16
- Location
- Uniondale, NY
- Run time
- 53:46.50
- Source
- Matrix mix (SBD/AUD)
- Transferred by
- Hunter Seamons
- Type
- sound
- Year
- 1985
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Reviews
Subject: N.Y. got the ways and means
Then this seriously bluesy Smokestack Lightning and I am at the show asking, "Who is playing the harmonica?" I don't think anyone in the Dead after Pigpen played the harp? -found out later it was Matt Kelly.
To me I have trouble picking out Too Lay me Down from High Time but since I enjoy both, I give a slight edge to High Time because in my opinion it is more than capable of being in either the first or second set.
Jerry's voice is a little ragged. The boys come in with some timely backing vocals.
Quite an opener Truckin>Smokestack>High Time
El Paso- I like story songs and this is one of the best. I had a tape with my favorite Marty Robbins songs on it and I listened to it all the time. (There is a follow up to El Paso called El Paso City)Nice brief jam inside the El Paso
Peggy O- I have been listening to those sweet 74 Peggy O's with the slower timing. Still this is nice and with the two drummers it almost has a marching cadence to it.
Garcia gets ahead of himself on the lyrics but it sounds like foreshadowing, "William he is dead"
Cassidy- this is a short but sweet Cassidy here.
Love to here Brent coming in on the backing vocals
Jerry sings with guitar."Wheel to the storm"
"Let the words be yours, I am done with mine"-JAM
85 was a good year for the China>Rider they kept it moving at a good clip.
My preference for China>Rider was always in the first set. Not saying it didn't work in 2nd set
I just liked to get it worked out early in the night. When on this tune was a serious dance monster.
Brent is all over this and Jerry is not giving any ground either the rhythm section is laying it down as well. And here comes Phil with big Aiko like thumping.
Jerry keeping better tabs on his vocals as we hit the Rider.
Bob has such the cool voice he might be a tad horse too -he draws out the words in Rider ever so slightly.
Very Hot 1st set! Very good Sound!!
Subject: yummy
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