1 00:00:21,71 --> 00:00:26,11 Hello again and welcome to senior perspectives 2 00:00:26,41 --> 00:00:30,79 a production brought to you by the redwood Coast senior centers and 3 00:00:30,94 --> 00:00:36,43 a magnificent crew of elders seven hundred combined years of experience right here 4 00:00:36,44 --> 00:00:38,66 in the studio with me I have 5 00:00:38,67 --> 00:00:42,19 a wonderful wonderful show tonight let me catch you up just on 6 00:00:42,20 --> 00:00:45,56 a few things about the senior center and then I'll introduce you to my guest and 7 00:00:45,57 --> 00:00:51,64 we'll get things rolling on Feb thirteenth the senior center is partnering with an 8 00:00:51,65 --> 00:00:55,57 oil food force there the folks who start gardens all over town and run 9 00:00:55,74 --> 00:01:00,93 a program up at Fort Bragg high school and sell their delicious organic produce at 10 00:01:00,94 --> 00:01:05,21 the farmer's market we're partnering with them to produce for them their black tie 11 00:01:05,22 --> 00:01:12,01 book. Valentine extravaganza dinner from five thirty to eight luscious 12 00:01:12,02 --> 00:01:18,94 chicken cordon bleu and vegetarian lasagna all organic mostly local food. Rich and 13 00:01:18,95 --> 00:01:22,72 Cooper will be playing in the jazz lounge across from the dining room from five 14 00:01:22,73 --> 00:01:26,65 thirty to about eight or eight thirty there be an auction at eight thirty and then 15 00:01:26,66 --> 00:01:31,50 at nine o'clock we roll the tables back and get down and we're going to have 16 00:01:31,51 --> 00:01:33,87 a great D.J. Playing all kinds of music it's going to be 17 00:01:33,88 --> 00:01:39,84 a wonderful night at the center senior center so please join us for the event two 18 00:01:39,85 --> 00:01:44,49 other quick announcements at the circle of elders day program which provides 19 00:01:44,53 --> 00:01:49,83 a secure and warm and loving environment for elders whose capacities are little 20 00:01:49,84 --> 00:01:54,40 diminished either cognitively or emotionally or socially or who are having physical 21 00:01:54,41 --> 00:01:59,44 difficulties and need help getting through their days can spend Monday through 22 00:01:59,45 --> 00:02:04,09 Thursday in the middle of the day at the Senior Center we provide transportation 23 00:02:04,10 --> 00:02:07,16 meals music. Art creative events and just 24 00:02:07,17 --> 00:02:12,25 a wonderful social environment so if you are caretaker or family of somebody who 25 00:02:12,26 --> 00:02:14,41 needs that kind of support give us a call we have 26 00:02:14,42 --> 00:02:19,62 a great program growing and don't forget is that a senior boss a senior Paxi 27 00:02:19,66 --> 00:02:23,83 a senior limo I don't know all I know is all you have to do is pick up the phone 28 00:02:23,84 --> 00:02:30,30 call nine six four OH FOR FOUR THREE we answer the phone we send the bus out pick 29 00:02:30,31 --> 00:02:34,04 you up take the packages whatever else you need to live or you where you need to go 30 00:02:34,23 --> 00:02:36,63 come back and get you carry you home it's 31 00:02:36,64 --> 00:02:43,57 a senior limo no doubt so do make yourself. Do avail yourself of that incredible 32 00:02:43,58 --> 00:02:50,39 service now my guest for the evening Mrs so very very special Janice blue is 33 00:02:50,40 --> 00:02:55,60 here with me in the studio I recently discovered her poetry when she came to the 34 00:02:55,61 --> 00:02:58,05 senior center was introduced and said let's do 35 00:02:58,06 --> 00:03:02,50 a poetry reading here at the senior center and we will do that I hope within 36 00:03:02,51 --> 00:03:06,40 a month featuring her Toby Lurie and some other poets some folks have been on the 37 00:03:06,41 --> 00:03:08,85 show with me tonight I want to read 38 00:03:08,86 --> 00:03:14,20 a little bit from the back of her wonderful book. And it's called will have been by 39 00:03:14,21 --> 00:03:17,28 Janice blue beautiful beautiful poetry and 40 00:03:17,47 --> 00:03:22,94 a local dear old friend of mine Sharon Dubyago writes this about this book and 41 00:03:22,95 --> 00:03:25,86 about Genesis poetry Kentucky is 42 00:03:25,87 --> 00:03:31,83 a Cherokee word for Magic this hillbilly girl this cosmic comic trippy thirty 43 00:03:31,84 --> 00:03:38,68 philosopher lovely Elizabeth and linguist so sweet ornery and sad conjures 44 00:03:38,91 --> 00:03:45,71 pure magic she's so good you want to die behind her words and I agree 45 00:03:45,86 --> 00:03:48,25 she is extraordinary she reaches 46 00:03:48,26 --> 00:03:52,24 a depth that many poets just scamper along the top of and she's 47 00:03:52,25 --> 00:03:57,70 a magician with language Janice thank you so much for being here and if I may I'm 48 00:03:57,71 --> 00:04:02,98 going to start out like I did the very first conversation we have what's 49 00:04:03,02 --> 00:04:10,02 a poet and how in the world did you become one of them. You know I was 50 00:04:10,03 --> 00:04:11,37 always a poet even as 51 00:04:11,38 --> 00:04:17,41 a child but I didn't know that that poet was something to be. And. 52 00:04:18,60 --> 00:04:21,86 By the time I was nineteen I was already in 53 00:04:21,87 --> 00:04:27,74 a world of artists bohemian artist of St Louis and San Francisco and New Orleans. 54 00:04:28,90 --> 00:04:35,09 Musicians artist painters sculptors but poetry 55 00:04:35,97 --> 00:04:42,49 was something I didn't wrote poems but so what many people write poems. But to call 56 00:04:42,50 --> 00:04:42,84 yourself 57 00:04:42,85 --> 00:04:49,95 a poet or to find out that you are the creature itself took an epiphany happened 58 00:04:49,96 --> 00:04:56,02 when I was twenty seven one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and I. 59 00:04:57,62 --> 00:04:59,52 Have worn blue all my life since I was 60 00:04:59,53 --> 00:05:06,21 a little girl. I immediately gave up gave away everything that wasn't royal blue 61 00:05:06,26 --> 00:05:12,83 not much and call myself Janice blue on the very next thing I wrote and been known 62 00:05:12,84 --> 00:05:19,70 that way and seen that way ever since and. Whatever it means to you 63 00:05:19,71 --> 00:05:25,70 is correct but I'm the only one knows all that remains because I'm it's creature on 64 00:05:25,71 --> 00:05:32,23 my name is Janice blue I write poetry I have southern roots. Till I was 65 00:05:32,24 --> 00:05:38,86 fourteen my people were subsistence farmers and the backwoods of Western Kentucky. 66 00:05:40,24 --> 00:05:47,16 And I became. I became. A proper young lady and went to high school in St Louis 67 00:05:47,17 --> 00:05:53,64 Missouri. When I was nineteen I heard about San Francisco. I was 68 00:05:53,65 --> 00:05:56,15 a fan of urban folk music I had not a harp and 69 00:05:56,16 --> 00:06:01,29 a guitar and I came to San Francisco and played in North Beach all over San 70 00:06:01,30 --> 00:06:08,18 Francisco Bay area Santa Cruz and then I followed jazz people are married 71 00:06:08,19 --> 00:06:14,89 to jazz musicians and. After that. And like I 72 00:06:14,90 --> 00:06:20,25 say I was twenty seven it came to me what I was the what creature it what it is to 73 00:06:20,26 --> 00:06:20,35 be 74 00:06:20,36 --> 00:06:27,09 a poet to courage takes freedom it that's what you are yes because there is more at 75 00:06:27,10 --> 00:06:33,60 risk than human life or death there seemed to be some kind of incredible risk with 76 00:06:33,61 --> 00:06:34,49 admitting that you're 77 00:06:34,50 --> 00:06:41,69 a poet saying that you are. But. So 78 00:06:41,69 --> 00:06:43,76 . That's how what 79 00:06:43,77 --> 00:06:47,59 a poet is and that's how it came to me once that what you asked me that is what I. 80 00:06:48,77 --> 00:06:54,55 You know I always think. The woman who I talked with all my life who is an 81 00:06:54,56 --> 00:07:00,32 exquisite poet she always used to say to me that. The dilemma for the poet is that 82 00:07:00,33 --> 00:07:05,51 you have to live in the depths you have to live in truth you have to encounter it 83 00:07:05,52 --> 00:07:12,16 as it is and somehow in your mixing with it and then speaking it back to everybody 84 00:07:12,17 --> 00:07:14,72 else you inject a sacredness 85 00:07:14,77 --> 00:07:21,36 a profane this. Or quality that takes what is and 86 00:07:21,41 --> 00:07:27,35 exposes it in the same way that you expose yourself and she said I'm condemned to 87 00:07:27,36 --> 00:07:27,51 be 88 00:07:27,52 --> 00:07:33,53 a poet and I would choose nothing else and she reminds me of not so much well I just 89 00:07:33,54 --> 00:07:35,08 assume I'm either 90 00:07:35,09 --> 00:07:41,11 a poet or not I just so not in oh yeah but it doesn't matter what I want exactly 91 00:07:41,36 --> 00:07:42,86 but I became 92 00:07:42,87 --> 00:07:49,19 a crusader for open mike poetry. I proved that food and poetry could go together 93 00:07:49,78 --> 00:07:56,58 and I served three. To three hundred bowls of Cajun food every Sunday to 94 00:07:56,59 --> 00:08:01,85 people out to get them to listen to my poets and I made caravans out of my poets 95 00:08:01,86 --> 00:08:03,53 who came up the how 96 00:08:03,54 --> 00:08:10,38 a one to Point Arena and Mendocino in Fort Bragg in the seventy's. And I always 97 00:08:10,42 --> 00:08:12,23 meant to come back here it just took me 98 00:08:12,24 --> 00:08:19,14 a long long time I always thought in the back of my mind and finally when it 99 00:08:19,15 --> 00:08:25,78 the you know so I'm here to for the duration I will not leave Fort Bragg me to my 100 00:08:25,79 --> 00:08:31,45 poem today whenever we get to it is Fort Bragg sunset my tribute to our town how 101 00:08:31,46 --> 00:08:35,22 about if we start right on to our town yeah I'm going to start right off with that 102 00:08:35,23 --> 00:08:36,85 poem OK And then I want to talk to 103 00:08:36,86 --> 00:08:43,80 a little bit about some people aside somebody. Recognized your awesome work and you 104 00:08:43,81 --> 00:08:46,43 received quite an honor Recently I want to I want to hear 105 00:08:46,44 --> 00:08:49,80 a little bit about that but how much starting us off with you want to put you want 106 00:08:49,81 --> 00:08:51,03 to see the award for 107 00:08:51,04 --> 00:08:57,22 a let's do that sure tell us about what happened here yes this book got nominated 108 00:08:58,15 --> 00:09:04,90 but to pin O'LOGHLIN. Let's see if we so I have to 109 00:09:04,97 --> 00:09:10,17 close up on this set is good oh perfect Josephine Myles Award for Excellence in 110 00:09:10,18 --> 00:09:16,94 literature for will have been Pinocchio and. I know pandas national I suppose 111 00:09:16,95 --> 00:09:18,14 pin Oakland is 112 00:09:18,75 --> 00:09:25,29 a branch of pin national pin and Josephine miles will know is the great woman 113 00:09:26,08 --> 00:09:31,24 of. Berkeley University California Berkeley who did 114 00:09:31,25 --> 00:09:36,18 a lot for women writers so I'm very honored to get this no money but 115 00:09:37,09 --> 00:09:42,39 a great honor. And this was specifically for for your lovely book will have been 116 00:09:42,47 --> 00:09:49,19 will have been yes. So and you've got you have some you also paint right 117 00:09:49,41 --> 00:09:54,23 or yes can we can we before the poet did we look at some maybe we can take 118 00:09:54,24 --> 00:09:57,09 a look at that too so I am not trying to as 119 00:09:57,10 --> 00:10:01,92 a painter but I paint. My idea of 120 00:10:01,93 --> 00:10:08,85 a. Fictional history or. Mythological America sort 121 00:10:08,86 --> 00:10:10,66 of vision 122 00:10:11,58 --> 00:10:18,43 a pictorial picture pictograph of symbols and figures of alternative 123 00:10:18,44 --> 00:10:24,58 early America I'm. But I don't know what do you call this sort of painting. 124 00:10:25,90 --> 00:10:32,75 But this is. Shock Talk. OK Here we go right here and you get 125 00:10:32,76 --> 00:10:37,46 a good shot of that and let's just scoot it right out he lives upside down and what 126 00:10:37,47 --> 00:10:41,01 is it oh my gosh what's it is going to say wait 127 00:10:41,02 --> 00:10:47,99 a minute you're all right you see how it's about see the end in here the 128 00:10:48,00 --> 00:10:54,77 Chalk Talk. This is. Either minstrel figure 129 00:10:54,78 --> 00:11:00,51 or are scare crow banjo and this is. 130 00:11:01,90 --> 00:11:08,31 Perhaps in an alternative. Or parallel world early America there would have been 131 00:11:08,32 --> 00:11:14,88 this happy. Combination of Indian and poor white and black. 132 00:11:17,60 --> 00:11:22,41 Choctaw and I saw a beautiful. In New Mexico at 133 00:11:22,42 --> 00:11:25,55 a beautiful art museum I saw they had 134 00:11:25,56 --> 00:11:31,21 a whole collection of early American. Visionary painting and they were like 135 00:11:31,22 --> 00:11:35,48 a painting in that in that there was energy present it wasn't just people in cinema 136 00:11:35,68 --> 00:11:42,59 those alive energy flowing and it was going to see it this is my. Here we 137 00:11:42,60 --> 00:11:47,87 go this is you know it's me generalship and I will. Go down it's right up here like 138 00:11:47,88 --> 00:11:52,87 this can we get in and. Out maybe Here we go. 139 00:11:55,36 --> 00:12:02,07 A little bit these are sky mules in vision point of vision of 140 00:12:02,60 --> 00:12:07,27 two sky mules twin sky Milos and they are making 141 00:12:07,28 --> 00:12:11,76 a. Sky meal a spit struck by 142 00:12:11,77 --> 00:12:18,37 a lot and then wow hitting what I call is Earth drum surround or 143 00:12:18,43 --> 00:12:25,31 Genesis. A Native American sort of you see the drum gathers 144 00:12:25,45 --> 00:12:32,17 you know feathers Yes and the sort of nucleus in which there is nothing yes. 145 00:12:33,44 --> 00:12:40,38 So this is when Sky MLI ules over Earth drum surround us and this is 146 00:12:40,39 --> 00:12:46,37 the name of this outrageous. I love the metallics I love the energy 147 00:12:47,15 --> 00:12:53,19 so mules. Sky mules are my totem or. 148 00:12:56,89 --> 00:13:03,09 Spirit animal I. Don't know here's. The power holders and so. 149 00:13:04,20 --> 00:13:08,51 Here's the mule and the girl trying to catch 150 00:13:08,52 --> 00:13:15,23 a ride. Now here is her tattooed shadow. There Here is her 151 00:13:15,24 --> 00:13:21,73 tattooed shadow caught it trying to break through world skin yes into her 152 00:13:21,74 --> 00:13:28,53 cell trying to catch the mule stood right on the Sky mule into the parallel 153 00:13:28,55 --> 00:13:35,35 universe of. Alternative America right I don't know's So that's 154 00:13:35,35 --> 00:13:40,100 what I have called it seared you've seen it and then there's this little figure 155 00:13:41,01 --> 00:13:41,58 floating in 156 00:13:41,59 --> 00:13:47,82 a cloud watching it all. I did this is these paintings are not for sale. 157 00:13:48,70 --> 00:13:49,92 I don't pay for say 158 00:13:49,93 --> 00:13:54,31 a lot though I showed last not this December but last December in the three G. 159 00:13:54,32 --> 00:14:01,19 Gallery and it was an honor first time I'd ever been exhibited but I 160 00:14:01,20 --> 00:14:07,68 believe I'm an amateur painter. Never been trained to paint so you and you 161 00:14:07,69 --> 00:14:13,59 paint in some ways I think like your poetry. The images 162 00:14:14,33 --> 00:14:19,09 start of the world but they take us somewhere else immediately and they contain the 163 00:14:19,10 --> 00:14:25,88 energy not just the event but the meaning and the actual invisible magical 164 00:14:25,89 --> 00:14:30,74 stuff that everything's really made out of thanks to you who touch that you see 165 00:14:30,75 --> 00:14:35,49 that don't you yes. I'm 166 00:14:35,50 --> 00:14:42,34 a you know my people were. Daniel Boone type people you know who were 167 00:14:42,35 --> 00:14:47,56 very literate you know they didn't fit the archetype. Of 168 00:14:47,58 --> 00:14:53,42 a near backwoodsman they were quite literate backwoodsman and I thought 169 00:14:53,42 --> 00:15:00,34 a lot of my work has to do with pointing that out and elevating that. Shining sort 170 00:15:00,35 --> 00:15:00,42 of 171 00:15:00,43 --> 00:15:08,38 a spotlight on what. It To redeem to redeem the settlers who 172 00:15:08,42 --> 00:15:08,86 who we have 173 00:15:08,87 --> 00:15:14,76 a tendency to just make history out of not live story and live people and live 174 00:15:14,77 --> 00:15:21,47 passion and live life we reduce them to flat pages and events and maps but that's 175 00:15:21,48 --> 00:15:25,75 of course not who they were and all. What. 176 00:15:29,57 --> 00:15:30,76 What drives you as 177 00:15:30,77 --> 00:15:37,67 a poet what what's what fuel this need to to be 178 00:15:37,68 --> 00:15:42,48 creative in the middle of creation how does that work if you wake up in the middle 179 00:15:42,49 --> 00:15:47,24 and I am going. This homecoming or do you work out of how how do you actually write 180 00:15:47,24 --> 00:15:53,86 . Nobody knows that I have heard Miller many people say that they know but I don't 181 00:15:53,87 --> 00:15:56,33 believe they know no I believe it's 182 00:15:56,34 --> 00:16:03,08 a mysterious process is mysterious. You know we can't pander the 183 00:16:03,09 --> 00:16:09,94 Muse you know yes. I. I 184 00:16:09,95 --> 00:16:11,13 seem to have been 185 00:16:11,14 --> 00:16:18,05 a spark since I got here but if anything hardship also 186 00:16:18,06 --> 00:16:24,65 can. Can spur it it seems that you know there's no there's no. 187 00:16:25,92 --> 00:16:30,67 There's no formula if there could be a formula there could be such 188 00:16:30,68 --> 00:16:36,27 a thing is directed perfection and there is no such thing as directed perfection so 189 00:16:36,28 --> 00:16:42,17 perfection has to emerge spontaneously it can't be planned ahead of time yet till 190 00:16:42,18 --> 00:16:48,53 him learn Hitler that you know they wanted to direct perfection and embrace and 191 00:16:48,54 --> 00:16:54,05 approach their idea of perfection in rates which is you know not art it's that's 192 00:16:54,06 --> 00:17:00,53 order not art to think that that's OK to impose on the arts is just 193 00:17:00,80 --> 00:17:06,86 ludicrous it's fascist We must be free when you. 194 00:17:08,30 --> 00:17:14,65 Tell me about the whole Wonderful be Nick time in. School you know Toby were you 195 00:17:14,66 --> 00:17:17,11 know I went down and performed at the beach museum 196 00:17:17,12 --> 00:17:21,03 a bit here really you know yeah we didn't even and he read I course I played bad 197 00:17:21,04 --> 00:17:24,59 idea musically which I hope I'm going to get the opportunity to do what you don't 198 00:17:24,59 --> 00:17:30,98 know about we don't know if he reserves you. And there's the north coast poets 199 00:17:31,47 --> 00:17:33,04 who meet Mendocino once 200 00:17:33,05 --> 00:17:38,68 a month in the Rock and then expand and the boat sail and I'm usually there for 201 00:17:38,69 --> 00:17:41,70 that. I need 202 00:17:41,71 --> 00:17:45,69 a way to get around Fort Bragg and I'm trying to get this scooter young member the 203 00:17:45,70 --> 00:17:51,88 elderly man who had that fabulous scooter Yeah yeah scooter Joe scooter Joe Yeah 204 00:17:52,23 --> 00:17:57,76 yeah so I'm trying to get talking his relatives see if I can get this scooter this 205 00:17:57,77 --> 00:18:04,59 is here is doing right now is to. Obtain that Scooter Palmer like the Cadillac of 206 00:18:04,60 --> 00:18:06,55 scooter it's not like 207 00:18:07,15 --> 00:18:10,25 a wheelchair or scooter at all it's no no it's all been out of 208 00:18:10,26 --> 00:18:15,09 a completely. So then I would get around a lot better and be able to participate 209 00:18:15,10 --> 00:18:21,79 a lot more in the senior citizens and whatever so. Does does 210 00:18:21,80 --> 00:18:27,25 life here on the north coast in the intensity of the ocean and its drama and its 211 00:18:27,26 --> 00:18:34,24 mystery is that finding its way into your poetry Oh yeah. Well maybe that's where 212 00:18:34,25 --> 00:18:40,91 we want to go next then well all right then on the take OK. And I will. 213 00:18:41,96 --> 00:18:48,13 Sunset Fort Bragg sense that wrote this soon after I obtained this wonderful. 214 00:18:50,20 --> 00:18:55,18 Apartment in. One thousand nine hundred seven building across from the Eagles Hall 215 00:18:55,22 --> 00:18:56,21 Oh my God used to be 216 00:18:56,22 --> 00:19:02,64 a sanatorium they tell me and it's an antique has its twelve foot ceilings I I love 217 00:19:02,65 --> 00:19:07,67 it very much and decorated all the time so when I got that and it shows 218 00:19:07,68 --> 00:19:14,65 a few inches of of ocean Fort Bragg's sunset here we go Venus the 219 00:19:14,66 --> 00:19:21,18 evening star is that you right above the telephone wire and the sickle moon to 220 00:19:21,45 --> 00:19:27,09 upright no Miller's how to laugh girl yet I notice but the evening is still waiting 221 00:19:27,10 --> 00:19:32,49 on Sunset and the sense that it is something else and these guys are supposed to be 222 00:19:32,50 --> 00:19:39,12 visible before sunset. So this particular sunset is going to be something 223 00:19:39,13 --> 00:19:45,34 else I'll bet or is it only seeing it and me think seeing it is 224 00:19:45,35 --> 00:19:48,80 a very small thing then Me thinks the end it is 225 00:19:48,81 --> 00:19:53,96 a very large thing especially when you see it disappear the sun ball beneath the 226 00:19:53,97 --> 00:19:57,79 sea sky horizon and then magically 227 00:19:58,22 --> 00:20:04,53 a trick granted us seemingly of seeing in sky though not always but whenever you 228 00:20:04,54 --> 00:20:10,89 must have seen it over to see it spring back up yes both comical and 229 00:20:10,90 --> 00:20:17,79 profound Lazarus and Charlie Chaplin sing it from here my little 230 00:20:17,83 --> 00:20:24,77 stoop in the deserted auditoriums of perception it feels private though in skips 231 00:20:24,78 --> 00:20:24,95 like 232 00:20:24,96 --> 00:20:31,91 a stone over the skin of motions perpetual like the auditorium after gone echoey 233 00:20:32,26 --> 00:20:39,09 even and so I say the innocent telephone Why are Kristen without 234 00:20:39,10 --> 00:20:45,81 its tipsy hard girl swing in you yes you yet again or ever this little 235 00:20:45,82 --> 00:20:49,45 back stoop across from the Eagles Hall that used to be 236 00:20:49,46 --> 00:20:56,24 a sanatorium with its Motley. That's why I like it with this 237 00:20:56,49 --> 00:21:03,19 gentrified neighborhoods I found myself no longer to wander and I consecrate 238 00:21:03,45 --> 00:21:09,58 and will have my altar right here by this screen door all mine and dedicate it to 239 00:21:09,59 --> 00:21:15,45 another perfect son downside of the century old building in Fort Bragg salute. 240 00:21:16,31 --> 00:21:21,42 There is so much to this sunset and I don't want to close my blinds to the sunset 241 00:21:21,93 --> 00:21:28,16 if one could only pain it to peachy in can destines and Safir on white out burn 242 00:21:28,17 --> 00:21:34,82 blooms into peach chrome into old Rose chrome into flat moon mud 243 00:21:34,83 --> 00:21:41,77 maul ruffles around its north corner but better off asking to get to the bottom of 244 00:21:41,78 --> 00:21:46,45 life and death of sons the NASS King to know the life and death of 245 00:21:46,46 --> 00:21:53,33 a human soul specially mine so I won't this sunset over the 246 00:21:53,34 --> 00:22:00,10 headlands of Fort Bragg's houses clamped down facing the foaming bedspread foaming 247 00:22:00,11 --> 00:22:04,49 bedspread and blue foaming beds spreading grey It's 248 00:22:04,49 --> 00:22:10,90 a beautiful aspect but my soul is safe here in the script the big boy of the toy 249 00:22:10,90 --> 00:22:17,70 town's only eight thousand they say and the one wrongfully named They say 250 00:22:18,02 --> 00:22:24,44 along the coast I disagree but I was the southern child you can't trust 251 00:22:24,45 --> 00:22:30,75 me it's neighborhoods in class the city and its fiery glory this late day 252 00:22:31,32 --> 00:22:33,53 glory which literally means 253 00:22:33,54 --> 00:22:40,33 a maine of light the far western light and in winter Oh if one could only pain it 254 00:22:41,65 --> 00:22:47,90 take the pail it's jello perhaps Topaz and why did it down even more with sparkly 255 00:22:47,91 --> 00:22:51,84 white. The pail is Topaz jewel and frosty 256 00:22:51,85 --> 00:22:58,80 a smear of white blaze and blaze before me and extinguish just me with the 257 00:22:58,84 --> 00:23:05,55 won't you some sundown right here in Fort Bragg Oh aspect of this place 258 00:23:05,56 --> 00:23:11,88 him place this place or without place into Fort Bragg's facing the sun down 259 00:23:12,45 --> 00:23:19,38 you might not agree to his lied about cause general Braxton The victors write the 260 00:23:19,39 --> 00:23:25,17 history remember but he would have been proud of this little far western namesake 261 00:23:25,50 --> 00:23:32,18 that fought the wave energy and took on the powers that be might not win the show 262 00:23:32,19 --> 00:23:32,91 the world that 263 00:23:32,92 --> 00:23:39,55 a brave show could be shown to federal power and me won't this sunset I have 264 00:23:39,56 --> 00:23:46,11 described to blaze and blaze before me lost long ago southern chyle make me 265 00:23:46,12 --> 00:23:51,96 understand the meaning of the name of my town or I have come to wind up laugh won't 266 00:23:51,97 --> 00:23:58,86 your son down also extinguishers me please with the I will be honored to merge 267 00:23:59,08 --> 00:24:06,06 into some sundown right here in Fort Bragg Oh aspect of this place won't you 268 00:24:06,07 --> 00:24:12,47 him place this place or without place into Fort Bragg itself facing the sunset 269 00:24:12,74 --> 00:24:19,59 facing the sun down and as he shall not we give it this brave show. 270 00:24:23,29 --> 00:24:27,47 Yes thank you so much. You are 271 00:24:27,48 --> 00:24:33,94 a magician and so so there are some themes in reading your book that just 272 00:24:34,06 --> 00:24:40,77 welled up in me and if I can just I'm just going to ask you to sort of comment on 273 00:24:40,78 --> 00:24:45,97 these things they're they're my response and they may or may not have anything to 274 00:24:45,98 --> 00:24:50,74 do with with the actual writing and the poetry but nonetheless I was so moved by 275 00:24:50,78 --> 00:24:57,30 every poem in the book. Theme woman is 276 00:24:57,31 --> 00:25:03,92 extraordinary and special and unique and a force and a power. There's 277 00:25:03,93 --> 00:25:09,63 a goddess presence there's there's something of the feminine that is is there and 278 00:25:09,64 --> 00:25:15,47 present in your poetry and I love it oh yes. When I first. 279 00:25:16,48 --> 00:25:22,57 Began to write I would not write anything feministic I would I was not 280 00:25:22,58 --> 00:25:24,80 a poetess by God You know I was either 281 00:25:24,81 --> 00:25:29,52 a poet or not I know and if not well then I would not bet 282 00:25:29,53 --> 00:25:35,69 a not but then its time went on me after I had to realize I am 283 00:25:35,70 --> 00:25:38,06 a woman I'm a woman poet but I'm 284 00:25:38,07 --> 00:25:44,94 a woman so became I had began to write more feminist stuff is so I grew older 285 00:25:45,70 --> 00:25:46,75 and I have got quite 286 00:25:47,29 --> 00:25:54,21 a lot of them but I don't read them every time or are easily but I rewrote 287 00:25:54,22 --> 00:26:01,16 the law lords prayer and. You know. I wrote our 288 00:26:01,17 --> 00:26:07,48 mother who art in who art the earth how that would be thy name. For 289 00:26:07,49 --> 00:26:13,61 a change. Yes 290 00:26:14,16 --> 00:26:21,01 and I goes on to the rest of it but if that's blasphemy let me know maybe it 291 00:26:21,02 --> 00:26:25,99 will I could go with that absolutely she always did and me yeah forever and ever 292 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:32,92 a fan got it so. I maybe when the when we 293 00:26:32,93 --> 00:26:39,06 do our our reading coming up here as soon as we can get it scheduled with your 294 00:26:39,07 --> 00:26:45,10 permission I would like to I would like to have the wonderful experience of reading 295 00:26:45,67 --> 00:26:50,51 one of your poems that you feel expresses that that feminine most powerfully really 296 00:26:50,55 --> 00:26:50,74 as 297 00:26:50,75 --> 00:26:55,52 a man when the things I've discovered is to read read really good poems written from 298 00:26:55,53 --> 00:26:58,55 that perspective this may be the closest I get to feeling 299 00:26:58,56 --> 00:27:03,99 a little bit of what that other half of me that other expression that other way of 300 00:27:04,00 --> 00:27:07,66 being a human is on the planet and that would be 301 00:27:07,67 --> 00:27:13,23 a privilege and an honor to get to do that. I love to read other people's poetry 302 00:27:13,24 --> 00:27:15,60 that I love so I hope I hope I get 303 00:27:15,61 --> 00:27:21,10 a chance to do that when we read together. There's 304 00:27:21,83 --> 00:27:28,19 magic. Everywhere it's it's luminous there's 305 00:27:28,48 --> 00:27:34,92 meaningfulness behind everything your words. Carry my 306 00:27:34,93 --> 00:27:40,71 sensibilities over the surfaces of things and then open up those surfaces into 307 00:27:41,07 --> 00:27:45,79 their luminous centers your poetry to me is like. 308 00:27:47,77 --> 00:27:52,50 It's like the capacity to not just see through the surface of 309 00:27:52,55 --> 00:27:57,17 a kind of peel them back and let something come out that's creative and die. Amec 310 00:27:57,18 --> 00:28:03,70 and wants to be in there it's magic it's it's the it's the reverse of the 311 00:28:03,71 --> 00:28:10,63 charm I think there's the there's that that long tradition of of the 312 00:28:10,64 --> 00:28:16,44 feminine magician who can charm make things appear however she wants them to appear 313 00:28:16,71 --> 00:28:22,16 you on the other hand have whatever the Inside Out of charm is you take things and 314 00:28:22,17 --> 00:28:28,53 make of their reality unfold in place of the surface that they present to 315 00:28:28,62 --> 00:28:35,33 casually to us. Yes I agree there are many layers to 316 00:28:36,16 --> 00:28:42,60 personas then even reality itself and. The Universe and but 317 00:28:43,39 --> 00:28:50,02 I feel like that words don't lie. People lie but but words at their 318 00:28:50,03 --> 00:28:55,58 roots do not lie right we can rely on them really they may seem tricky but it's not 319 00:28:55,59 --> 00:28:59,70 the words that are tricky right it's got it got it. 320 00:29:03,41 --> 00:29:07,89 Time marches in your poetry in an interesting way I think all poets in 321 00:29:07,90 --> 00:29:09,76 a certain sense have 322 00:29:09,77 --> 00:29:16,66 a perspective out of time and that allows them to feel and and work with time as 323 00:29:16,67 --> 00:29:23,65 a texture in their poetry we're both at the at the back and yes of our time and 324 00:29:24,41 --> 00:29:29,97 I think actually we're most out of time rather what are you going to. Stop this 325 00:29:29,98 --> 00:29:33,66 conversation we should definitely go on for at least two more hours maybe you'll 326 00:29:33,67 --> 00:29:38,11 come back and we can do this again I would like to thank you so much yourself you 327 00:29:38,12 --> 00:29:43,08 are extraordinary because I've heard you read poetry and yet wonderful delivery and 328 00:29:43,09 --> 00:29:47,32 I'm looking forward to reading some of yours good or hearing you read your own OK 329 00:29:47,54 --> 00:29:50,54 we'll do it soon All right thank you and good night all and thank you for being 330 00:29:50,55 --> 00:29:55,01 with us senior perspectives done again for yet another week thank you and good 331 00:29:55,02 --> 00:29:55,78 night thank 332 00:29:55,72 --> 00:29:56,64 you you thank 333 00:30:20,07 --> 00:30:20,07 .