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October fourteenth two
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For the like salute

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OK When the roll call Commissioner Henri.
Commissioner along their mission to go on

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here Thomas Simi Air National wells
here Michelle been there all right the

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first thing we're going to do are all
comments from the public members of the

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public may be heard on any item of interest
not on the gender speakers addressing

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the commission will be limited to three
minutes per speaker be advised that by law

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the commission is not able to deliberate
or take action on issues presented during

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oral comments is there anyone in the crowd
that would like to speak on something

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that's not on tonight's agenda No All right
so we're going to move to the first and

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only order of business which is the Planning
Commission recommendation of the city

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council concerning the adoption of the
denial plan the general plan update adoption

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of Resolution number P.

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Dash one one one seven A
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seven B.

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Dash twenty Tim lez. But
you have something to say

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Yes I'd like to just start the
preamble. The history is stated in

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a staff report but I what we have provided
to you tonight on your diocese is the

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action of the city council last night this
is the resolution that the city council

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adopted last night we did not I noticed
the date hasn't sorted but as you can see

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the last paragraph is and I believe I wasn't
sure of all of you had an opportunity

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to see this so I thought it was important
to bring this forward before we started

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the conversation from staff
that the City Council has set

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a deadline for the Planning
Commission to make

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a recommendation on the proposed general
plan update submitted to the planning

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commission of

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a joint planning commission city council
meeting on October eleventh the deadline

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that they have provided you is October
fourteenth two thousand and ten which is

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today. And the point of that resolution
which it goes up in the form or element

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that if no action is taken by the Planning
Commission action or shall be deemed as

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a recommendation or approval of the
proposed general plan amendment. And the

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council deliberated that last night
and you can see the vote was a was

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a four one vote the city council and so the
point of doing that particular start up

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on this was to indicate to us

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a planning commission that indeed the
city council. Has set some has set

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a thank Zack deadline for you to provide
some action to them so they can take up

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the general plan so at this time I'll
turn it over to Liz to provide the staff

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report to you. Thank you plain and I'm
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who has. The majority of the
comments as an introduction

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. Thank you Thank you members
of the. Planning Commission

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this is sort of a continuation
from the meeting that we held

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a couple of nights ago so I
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This is pain

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a difficult meeting and I
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object I think that we all have is to
provide the city with what is first and

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foremost

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a legal document the general plan is required
by the state of California for us to

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prepare. The general plan by its
nature contains two types of

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policy there are those policies that were
developed from the community meetings

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where we got together and talked about what
if we want to see in our community how

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do we want to grow what kind of housing
do we want to have what kind of parks to

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want to have what kind of recreational
amenities we want to have how do we want the

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city to develop. And that's the part
that people think about that they like

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generally. But hand in hand with that
and the state has said that with that

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development comes

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a responsibility to make sure that we don't
create impacts to the environment and

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they've established

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a series of standards and guidelines that
get passed down that we have to deal with

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. And I think that that is where the
the rub has been none of us like to

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feel that we have. Our lives that are
regulated through policies that we have not

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promulgated ourselves those of us who own
property and world areas are incensed at

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a lot of the regulations the requirements
that may be appropriate for men TECO or

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southern California but that somehow
don't seem to apply here. But as

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a professional it's my obligation to
provide you and the residents of the city

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with

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a document that is legally defensible and
that meets the standards of the state.

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One of the things that really
drove the development of having

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a general plan was the desire
to reuse the mill site or to

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use the mill site. There
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a large retail development to go out there
there's also been expressed desire to

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bring back industry in either
of those cases there were

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people outside the city who would just as
soon not see Fortuna develop they would

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prefer that we not be the ones who garner
tax dollars or prefer that we not be the

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ones who are able to provide
job sites for people when

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a project comes forward on that we're there
are large projects we're not going to

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see people climbing trees we're not going
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a fence they will ring their lawyers with

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a lawsuit and charge the general
plan is inadequate and the cold up

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development in the long run. So
my sense my obligation is to

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provide you with

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a document that allows the city to develop
as unfettered as possible and to include

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enough safeguards so that when local
developers or outside developers come into the

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city but

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a lot of the environmental review has been
taken care of and reduce and minimize

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how much furthers they have to go through
to take care of that. And I see that as

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an obligation that we have been trying to
fulfill that has meant that we have added

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language to the document that some of
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But it's all there for

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a particular reason and it's not because
we want to see things but it's because

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without some of that language we
become vulnerable how the city applies

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to general plan is done through the zoning
code that's the law but policies in the

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general plan set the
framework for the city it's

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a document that we can hold up and say
these are the things that we take into

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consideration when we develop our city but
it's the application of the zoning code

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in the developer of the zoning code that
becomes the codified law that implements

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what we're going to do when those those
decisions have yet to be made. There was

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a lot of discussion about. Some of the
things in the new blue ink and I can assure

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you that these are are there is for it for

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a purpose. And I think that.

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They said I think that's really been the
real bone of contention that there was

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frustration at not understanding how and
why some of those things were put into

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place. At this point

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we've we have

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a document which we feel meets the legal
standard for the state best we have

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provided to you and are asking you to
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intended not to disable the city's ability
to develop but rather to allow it to

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develop. Its new it contains policy
language that is different but it is not

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intended to hobble it is
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a proactive document that allows
development took to occur in the future

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it's for the long term benefit
of the city and. So with that I

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will finish my comments and just encourage
you to take whatever action you feel is

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appropriate. We have provided you with two
resolutions to give you some choice in

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the matter. The first resolution or one
of the resolutions that you have is the

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same one that you saw the
other evening which contains

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a series of recommendations. To the city
council for policy language changes that

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you would like to see and that staff
has carried forward with comments. And

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a second resolution is

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a resolution in which you decide that based
upon your interpretations of the policy

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document or your feelings of of the policy
language that this general play is not

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appropriate for the city of Fortuna and
that you would recommend that it not be

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adopted and that choice becomes yours so
with that I'll conclude my remarks thank

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you very much. That's OK and

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to any commissioners have any questions
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up the public hearing I do.
First of all I've lived in

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Fortuna about thirty three years
I'm very proud to live in such

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a good town and I'm very
proud to be on such

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a good commission I'm think that we did

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a lot of hard work working on this general
plan and I'm proud of the work that we

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did get done and I am disappointed that
we weren't able to finish our job I don't

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think everything that we worked
on is going forward so I am

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a little bit disappointed at that I would
have liked to have had another meeting to

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move this on but I. Don't always get
what I wanted yes. Hopefully the next

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next thing we work on one can have better
communication you know so there isn't

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things like this that happened but I do
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because I think we worked very
hard on this and I think we did

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a very good job for what is going
forward. Also I have two questions on the

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resolution. It says that the Planning
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I've never seen the E.R.

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So I I don't know why this is in here I
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ever had

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a meeting on the E I R or reviewed
it and my next one is. It

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says that we held a public hearing for this
which is required and when did we have

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a public hearing. Thank
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first Bob like to concur with you I agree
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a lot of time and did

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a lot of hard work in reviewing the
document. And that is appreciated

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Secondly the E.R.

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Was delivered I think by compact disc with

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a copy of the executive summary there was

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a memo that went with that that indicated
that you would not be required to our

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reviewer from my first damn point to
recommending it to the city council but it was

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given to us information so that you could
at least see but the document was there

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and see how it affects the. Just how
it's worded. You can certainly since

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you did not look at it as a commission
officially you can simply remove that as

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a as one of the findings there's no problem
doing that. And the public hearing that

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was held was the public hearing that was
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public hearing for the you know for the
general plan kind of the way I see that

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public hearing that was on our public hearing
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was all the questions and everything were
dressed to the mayor and city council

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closed it so how could that be

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a party commission hearing
it was noted noticed as a as

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a joint session joint public hearing between
the two between the two bodies. That

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was how it was done. OK but we still haven't
had our own public carrier aren't we

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required to have

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a public hearing that was the public carry
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used when you evaluated and then made

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a recommendation on the
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Anybody else. I attended

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a meeting last night city council and looked
up the California government code that

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was referenced by the city attorney
and. It's pretty big but it

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appears to me that only items referred back
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to the forty five day deadline and or
whatever time limit is set by the city

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council. I'll just read it here what does
what Code six five three five six The

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California California Code says it's the
legislative body sole adopt or amend

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a general plan by resolution resolution
which resolutions will be adopted by the

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affirmative vote of not less than

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a majority of the total membership of the
legislative body. The body may approve

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modify or disapprove the recommendation
of the Planning Commission if any However

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any substantial modification proposed
by the legislative body not previously

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considered by the commission during its
hearings so first be referred to the

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Planning Commission for its recommendation
the failure of the commission to report

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within forty five calendar days after the
reference or within the time set by the

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legislative body shall be deemed

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a recommendation for approval to be this
clearly says that anything they refer back

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to us has that forty five day limit or
the time limit they said not the general

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plan as we stand today. And I can
if anybody wants to read this how

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about it. So I don't think
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a decision tonight I think if I think we
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wish to I'll leave it
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Else thank you for doing that Andy that's
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process is that there's

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a difference between what we're being told
and what is in fact occurring OK That's

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number one number two we were given this
package papers which I've never seen

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before I don't know whether anybody else
has and they weren't even discussed in the

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opening remarks I'd like to know
what we're supposed to do at least.

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Thank you very much. The
code section that Mr

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Elving referred to is in the government
code and if an action was referred to you

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under those circumstances then that
government code would apply I believe what

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happened last night was that the City
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ordinance for the city's action. So it's
not the government code that is strictly

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being being applied but rather the the City
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that is in effect the items on
the diocese. Were actually items

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which were provided to you
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your discussions of chapters five and
eight there were questions about why they

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were in there and one and the Commission
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putting

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a blue ink policy in the dip in those two
chapters and that was sort of them the

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issue the the this appeared to be the over
regulation type of policy that people

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were concerned about. That handout was
provided to you at that time at your

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request. To assist you in understanding how
and why that language was there and we

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simply are providing
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a reference if that if that matter came up
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. Thank you to welcome. Excuse me for just

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a minute. The city council was directed
by the attorney last night and when he

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spoke he specifically referenced three
government codes what I read and two other

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one thing to say nothing about it at
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Anybody else have any comments OK at
this time we're going to open the public

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hearing for public comment so anybody would
like to come forward please state your

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name where you live try and keep
it at three minutes if you can.

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Smith nine fifty four main street I'm
here representing you are disposal.

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You have very weighty things before you
tonight and I feel badly to bring something

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like this before that is not of the
significance of the other issues you're dealing

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with but it's very important to my client
and this is the form that we have you

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will disposal screens for station it is
located in the city right now and it's in

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a light industrial zone of the other side
of the road in the county is where the

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. Sea indeed yard and other activities are
conducted that's also light industrial

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The I'm in this in the general
plan are going to re going to give

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a new land use designation to these
areas of the river walk drive there's

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a tremendous concern that this will
instantly turn these sites into

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nonconforming uses and keep

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a will be mixed banded changed
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Because of that concern I have been in the
process of discussing it with staff for

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about two years in about
six months ago. In

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a series of e-mails with the
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a modification that this I was told
staff was considering. The issue

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is that the river walk ride district
district makes something called Crazy public

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uses

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a permitted use Prince we permitted use
but it doesn't define what that means but

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I have sought to do is what's shown in red
on the page that you have in front of

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you and that is to insert

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a meaning that will give my client comfort
now the problem is that the position of

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staff has taken is to not insert
this and let this all be handled

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in the zoning process with
the idea being that as Zone

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a zone will then be assigned to it that
allows us activity. But when I was

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a young man Ronald Reagan said trust but
verify and as I'm here trying to do

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everybody is saying that this is not a
problem don't worry about it but there is

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a problem and the problem is that staff
are saying that this term quasar

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a public use will include my clients
activities there are two problems that the

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first is that staffs opinion will it be is
not relevant what's important and what's

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relevant is with the legislative bodies
think it means to take action on it and I

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have no guarantee without a legislative
body taking action on something that clues

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a definition that they're looking at this
the same way the second thing which is an

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even bigger problem is that this would
leave without this definition of leave the

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issue open and on resolved until

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a year from now two years from now the
city gets around to having new conforming

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zoning ordinances Well look the
thing that worries me about that is

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a year from now two years from now three
years now how do I know who's going to be

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here. How do I know that the people who
are providing assurances now are going to

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be here to provide assurances then. So I'm
trying to do is I'm trying to trust the

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city I'm trying to trust staff but the same
time I have to verify that there is not

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a problem and there is no good reason
that I can think of not to insert this

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meaning into the definition of
the land use description there

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is no good reason not to do that if this
is what everybody agrees they want to have

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happen and I call upon you to do that tonight
or to recommend it tonight thank you

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there's any questions I
can answer thank you

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Anybody else. All right

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sixteen sixteen Newberg road. Is that

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a couple comments you know. I really
hate it when government uses the fear of

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lawsuits as an excuse to force

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a compliance to you know some regulations
in this case that people don't agree with

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you know when you really get into looking
at lawsuits you need to ask one of the

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questions well how many lawsuits have there
been. And then you need to go further

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and say well let's look at some of these
lawsuits and see what they actually

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involved and I think what you would find
that many of them would never occur here

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in humble County or in Fortuna they are
some bizarre case where somebody did really

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something stupid and should have been sued
and was and that's the case for most of

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those so I just it just bothers me when
people use this fear lawsuits as a as

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a. As

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a hammer to get things get their way. You
know I think this is probably a kind of

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a done deal but what's going to happen next
in this process is we're going to have

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to modify and go over our midst of all
codes and make sure that they're compliant

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and consistent with the general plan and
there are fourteen of them are. The ones

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that are probably be most contentious
AR fifteen which is the building and

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construction section and sixteen is
subdivisions and seventeen is going to be

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really fun that's designing. And once we
get to zoning I don't know what staff is

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going to do I could see them going out
and spending taxpayer monies and hiring

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consultants to go over these code so you
guys don't have to worry about it and then

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have

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a meeting like this and get it approved
Well I'm hoping that we can sit down like

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we were supposed to do with the public and
have discussions and workshops and come

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to some agreement on what the zoning codes
should say and I'm sure staff going to

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tell us that oh you can't write that
zoning code like that because that isn't

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consistent with the general plan that we've
adopted Well I hope you guys are strong

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enough that you ignore that because
and stick to your guns and right as

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a winning coach the way you want
them and if we have to revise

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a general plan that's what staff has said
don't worry we can revise this general

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plan four times

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a year it should be easy
should be Oh let's see what

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else. I guess that's why I'm really my
only comment I know you guys can figure

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these codes out the zoning codes
and. The staff me try to pit you

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know the poor city against us I don't know
evil developers I guess for a lack of

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a better term. I know you can see through
that and you can. Pick out what's

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reasonable and what's fair and what
just did you really need Thank you.

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Thank you. Anybody out

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Resident of Fortuna. So four council members
have put you in an awkward position

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and they have sent you

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a message that says it does not matter
whether or not you are satisfied with the

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general plan update that will fell will
affect the citizens of Fortuna for the next

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twenty years or if you still have some
questions or would like clarifications you

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will right now tonight in the recommend
are not recommend approval of this policy

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document. By doing this they have taken
away your voice and you need to let them

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know that this is wrong why do we have

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a planning commission to review planning
issues which to me would include the

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general plan if the council is not listening
and not letting you follow through

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with your job. Everything stopped when the
Planning Commission and the public asked

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for legal justifications for items that
staff continues to insist must be in the

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plan you still have not received the
information that was requested fifteen months

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ago. The last Planning Commission meeting
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and nine commissioner was not in attendance
at that meeting the rest of you all of

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you expressed concerns regarding the tone
of the content and the implication that

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items were set by state law but are actually
someone's opinion I watched the entire

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meeting on access humble today and none of
you felt comfortable with the document.

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Duane Rinky and Stephen Davis both promised
to come back with the justifications

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for the items you were concerned with
and have another meeting after much

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discussion Chairman Thomas E.

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And you finally changed his vote to move
forward with the draft yaar. That was the

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motion that was made to move forward with
the draft Yar staff was to bring back

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more information

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a justification for all items you had
concerns about. Chairman Thomas Kean the end

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of the meeting saying that you have said
it's going to come back and I know it will

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there are things in here we don't like
and if it can in turn used to be in here

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then there will be

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a big problem doing in Stephen promised.
That it would come back to you in

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a month to give you the answers that you
were looking for staff is not being held

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accountable for the promises that they
made or the process they committed to I

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think that the council has made

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a huge mistake if I were on
the council I would not want

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a general plan that the Planning Commission
was not comfortable with the Planning

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Commission was doing an outstanding job
I'm asking you not to give in now being

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tired of the whole thing is not

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a reason to give up or recommended I think
you need to stand your ground until you

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get the information you have asked for
understand it and are satisfied that you are

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doing the right thing for the citizens of
Fortuna if you are not going to get that

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information because the
council has now placed you in

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a position that tonight you have to
decide then you should not recommend the

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adoption of the general plan. I hope that
each of you have actually read the entire

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document noted all the new changes the
lesions and additions compared to what was

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asked for it took me hours to do this and
I am certain you did not get what you

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asked for after fifteen months without any
meetings suddenly this update has to be

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approved now why some of the council members
said they won't rushing it after all

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it's been five years well that's five years
and two more months or five years and

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three more months you know it has to be
done now it has to be done before the

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election because they are concerned that
someone's going to get on the council that

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doesn't approve of what they've done or
the general plan policy that is wrong and

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I'm asking you guys not to
recommend it thanks. Thank you

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.

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Every August seventh citizen of fourteen
A As fate would have it I locked my keys

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in the car and it's up at

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a house I was showing with all the stuff
I wanted to say so you guys are really

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lucky tonight but. I'd also like to say
that last night Stephen Davis took

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a bullet for the team he said that.
You guys did not he felt that you had

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adequate time and that at the last
meeting you didn't really ask to have

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a proper back. And you did and when Reg
You said you would have it within two

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months that there would be another meaning
and that you needed to send the I.R.

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On and if you didn't he
would now I want to and I'm

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sure Stephen said that because he didn't
listen to the tape I know that was listen

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to the tape I don't know if doing this into
it again but I was told that was listen

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to it.

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Fifteen three years ago three years ago
where church and John Campbell came to my

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office and they told me along with several
other people and some of those people

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are in this room tonight that the general
plan that you have in front of you today

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which has not changed dogs or councilman
Doug Stroud said that last night you have

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the same policy you had three years ago
only were probably another eight hundred

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thousand into it or I mean I have no clue
how much because I take that back I don't

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know how much it cost but I know it's cost

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a lot. But Doc's relative he adequately
said it didn't feel right Pat what

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church and John Campbell told me and several
other people that they didn't like the

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policy and that it did not represent the
people of Fortuna and the policy that you

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are going to recommend I'm sure and send
on does not represent the citizens of

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Fortuna it represents fishing
game if it records to fans and

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recommends and protects every legislative
body in the state of California and the

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federal government and does nothing for the
citizens of this community you asked to

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have

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a brought back it was never brought back
whatever you guys are going to do you're

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going to do it but. In my
opinion you haven't finished

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and the reason why we spent all those
months all those meetings all those hours I

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was in here with you was because it was
sent back to you to better define and

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better change and make it feel more like

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a policy that was fit for this city and I'm
telling you that the policy that we're

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church the mayor of this city is well
into except right now is not one bit

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different than the document that he
didn't like three years ago THANK YOU

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THANK YOU Hiba yelps

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.

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I would ask that you know like her and you
might I would ask that you consider two

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separate things one is the process would
have and I also looked at the tape

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and the process that has happened to you
is not acceptable and then I went to look

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at the policy and.
Whatever Mr Richards said

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before now there are people in this community
that feel comfortable with this plan

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so it's the policy itself his
is perhaps up for grabs here

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. So I just ask you to separate
the process from the policy

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and at the tape for the tape I thought
that I heard that there was only two

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chapters that you were still uncomfortable
with now I don't know what happened in

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terms of the E.R.

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To the other chapters but in the tape I
thought I heard that you were comfortable

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with all of it that you had been through
everything except for that he was five and

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eight so if you are come to with that I
would I would ask you to confirm that

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although you've you know obviously said
you had seen me so I don't know if it's

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change that but that's all I'd
like to say thank you thank you

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. But he felt

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OK this time we're going to close the
public comment we're going to turn it over

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the Commission so if the commission would
like to ask any further questions the

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staff if they would like
to make a statement

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a comment. I certainly have some to
say but I'll wait we've been working

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on this for five years so I think it is
imperative that we all at least state what

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we're thinking right now one way or the
other so anyone can start whenever they

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want.

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And. I came into Monday night's meeting
thinking I had studied the policy

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document and would vote for recommending
the City Council adopt it after listening

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to Commissioner albums and Commissioner
golems comments I concluded additional

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analysis should be done that
was my reason for moving to

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a chair. After Monday's meeting I reviewed
the video of the July twenty eighth two

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thousand and nine Planning Commission
meeting and gave additional thought to the

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contents of chapters five an A. M July
twenty eighth we were told approval of the

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policy document was desired before staff
could begin work on earth was desired

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before staff began work on. It and that
meetings on chapters five and eight would

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take place before making

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a recommendation to the council those
meetings have not occurred I fully concur

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with what Sue long said. Since there are
serious policy issues in Chapters five and

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need to be discussed I think we should
not recommend the City Council adopt

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a policy document until meetings of the
meetings are held in those chapters there

437
00:37:13,91 --> 00:37:19,82
is an additional point I would like to
make. The decision we made tonight is not

438
00:37:19,83 --> 00:37:20,23
just

439
00:37:20,27 --> 00:37:26,43
a recommendation to the council it is also
an indication of how we expect the Planning

440
00:37:26,44 --> 00:37:32,98
Commission to operate if you believe as I
do that when decisions of this commission

441
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:38,23
are made with an understanding that event
certain amounts will occur then those

442
00:37:38,25 --> 00:37:45,14
events should take place. Thank you.

443
00:37:46,83 --> 00:37:49,24
Anybody else.

444
00:37:54,13 --> 00:37:58,72
Come on I know you all want
to say something and the

445
00:38:01,81 --> 00:38:05,77
I'm going to go last.

446
00:38:19,37 --> 00:38:25,96
Before Monday night's meeting I reviewed
the tape from July two thousand I mean.

447
00:38:26,09 --> 00:38:32,66
And. I was present what I saw
what I heard and same thing again

448
00:38:33,20 --> 00:38:39,93
and it was very clear. That we were not
going to switch up or saliva eight to

449
00:38:39,94 --> 00:38:45,51
cool German Thomas in any order but so
I would like the public record I'm not

450
00:38:45,52 --> 00:38:49,74
comfortable because we haven't finished
chapters five and eight and I know you said

451
00:38:49,75 --> 00:38:54,12
it's going to come back and I know it will
that was it three hours six minutes into

452
00:38:54,13 --> 00:39:00,04
the meeting. They never
came back and I have

453
00:39:00,05 --> 00:39:05,95
a big problem with that we didn't finish
reviewing the document the document isn't

454
00:39:05,95 --> 00:39:11,90
. Now complete and how can we as
the Planning Commission do our job

455
00:39:13,27 --> 00:39:19,73
and soon this on to the plate to the
city council if it's not complete That's

456
00:39:19,73 --> 00:39:26,66
. Just can't understand
that and then. Last night

457
00:39:26,67 --> 00:39:33,62
to be told we have to do this today
that stinks something stinks.

458
00:39:33,67 --> 00:39:37,04
I'm not sure what or why
the big rush all of

459
00:39:37,05 --> 00:39:43,64
a sudden but based on the codes that
the attorneys bought it off last night

460
00:39:44,33 --> 00:39:50,53
that they can't even do that and so I'm
tempted to make no recommendation of all

461
00:39:50,54 --> 00:39:57,11
the city council night. And instead suggest
that we finish working on this document

462
00:39:57,12 --> 00:40:00,77
because right now this document is in the
city for two another I know and that I

463
00:40:00,78 --> 00:40:06,57
grew up in and I chose to come back
and live in and raise my family in.

464
00:40:07,80 --> 00:40:14,56
Thank you. Can someone answer
how how this went on for

465
00:40:14,57 --> 00:40:19,58
fifteen months we had no meetings and then
all of the sudden we have to get this

466
00:40:19,59 --> 00:40:25,56
passed right now I don't understand what
would have been the big deal one more

467
00:40:25,57 --> 00:40:30,75
meeting. Why we couldn't have had one more
meeting to finish this that has to be

468
00:40:30,76 --> 00:40:37,72
done now I don't understand that this
is so important to our city it just

469
00:40:37,73 --> 00:40:41,66
makes absolutely no sense to me Can
someone please explain that to me.

470
00:40:53,82 --> 00:40:59,77
Ideally it should have come back to you
say that it should have come back to you

471
00:41:00,42 --> 00:41:05,46
and we've all talked about that and we do
feel like if we all agree that it should

472
00:41:05,47 --> 00:41:11,62
have come back to you. One of the reasons
that we created this package that we gave

473
00:41:11,63 --> 00:41:15,83
to the council last night that's why you
hadn't seen it it's the one that starts

474
00:41:15,84 --> 00:41:21,39
with the schedule. And then it includes
the minutes of some of the meetings that

475
00:41:21,40 --> 00:41:26,85
we've been talking about and the staff
reports. After the Monday night council

476
00:41:26,86 --> 00:41:32,10
meeting I did go back and look at the general
point is this schedule of where we've

477
00:41:32,11 --> 00:41:36,77
been in every single meaning that we've had
is listed on this table and I had been

478
00:41:36,78 --> 00:41:41,16
keeping this up anyway I just happen to
have it and I pulled it out again to remind

479
00:41:41,17 --> 00:41:46,27
myself. And I do believe even though we
should have come back to chapter five and

480
00:41:46,28 --> 00:41:51,93
eight and wrapped it up with the Planning
Commission. I do believe that we've had

481
00:41:51,94 --> 00:41:57,40
a good process from the very beginning and
we had the the five community workshops

482
00:41:57,41 --> 00:41:57,94
where we got

483
00:41:58,27 --> 00:42:04,02
a lot of information reams of information
from the public and that is what it meant

484
00:42:04,03 --> 00:42:09,83
to your base their original policy document
on that policy document was as you can

485
00:42:09,84 --> 00:42:13,22
see there were numerous meetings with the
Planning Commission and with the council

486
00:42:13,23 --> 00:42:17,33
and that went on for two years through
two thousand and seven and we had

487
00:42:17,34 --> 00:42:23,60
a policy document that ended up going to
we prepared and here you are on that so

488
00:42:23,94 --> 00:42:29,04
you know even though people weren't satisfied
with it it was still something that

489
00:42:29,05 --> 00:42:34,37
the council sort of blast and you know I'm
sort of you know with hesitation and I

490
00:42:34,38 --> 00:42:39,50
can tell you that. Staff wasn't satisfied
with it either but I think that's

491
00:42:39,51 --> 00:42:44,94
a reflection of the fact that you know
the general plan isn't going to please

492
00:42:44,95 --> 00:42:49,52
everybody because it's not written by one
person it's written by the public and

493
00:42:49,53 --> 00:42:54,01
staff and the Planning Commission and
the council so no one is happy with the

494
00:42:54,02 --> 00:42:59,76
general plan and I that's probably true
in every community not just this one and

495
00:42:59,77 --> 00:43:03,83
one of the reasons that we updated general
plan is because not only values change

496
00:43:03,84 --> 00:43:08,88
but the regulatory framework changes and
staff doesn't make the regulations but

497
00:43:08,89 --> 00:43:14,11
unfortunately our job is that we have to
implement them so we do get looked at as

498
00:43:14,19 --> 00:43:20,03
you know anti development anti. You
know property rights but we're not.

499
00:43:21,56 --> 00:43:25,92
So then as you can see there were additional
meetings with the council and then the

500
00:43:25,93 --> 00:43:31,21
twelve meetings with the Planning Commission
last year and one of the things that

501
00:43:31,22 --> 00:43:36,55
is in this packet are the you know the
justifications for the changes I wanted to

502
00:43:36,56 --> 00:43:41,49
go back at the end of two thousand and
seven. After that you know I was circulated

503
00:43:41,50 --> 00:43:42,65
we had a R.

504
00:43:43,02 --> 00:43:48,74
And the comments and the policy document
reviewed by this sequel attorney he's very

505
00:43:48,75 --> 00:43:52,39
well qualified if you look
at is qualifications he's

506
00:43:52,78 --> 00:43:57,80
a trainer you know he's got twenty plus
years of experience just in this area where

507
00:43:57,81 --> 00:44:02,84
we we don't it's not something that the
normal stuff person works on very often so

508
00:44:02,85 --> 00:44:05,96
he is the one who said this
is where your document is

509
00:44:05,97 --> 00:44:12,74
a week these are the things that will fix
it and make it so you know so it's not

510
00:44:12,79 --> 00:44:17,64
challenge and you know it's the worst
censors in fact that the mill district you

511
00:44:17,65 --> 00:44:21,49
know one of the city's policies or values
is that that gets developed and we want

512
00:44:21,50 --> 00:44:27,79
to support that So those are the
I mean that's that's sort of

513
00:44:27,80 --> 00:44:34,55
the you know what we took from those
twelve meetings. Chapters five and eight

514
00:44:34,56 --> 00:44:40,97
were if you look at the minutes and the
staff report were reviewed. On July second

515
00:44:40,98 --> 00:44:45,47
at that meeting July fourteenth and July
twenty eighth so those chapters were

516
00:44:45,48 --> 00:44:51,35
looked at your comments are in the packet
Stephen you know we gave to the Council

517
00:44:51,36 --> 00:44:57,43
on Monday night I know they weren't complete
but legally we looked at what was what

518
00:44:57,44 --> 00:45:03,15
your comments were and what the recommendations
of attorney were and and felt that

519
00:45:03,16 --> 00:45:07,58
those things that you know the things that
were in there needed to stay so in that

520
00:45:08,08 --> 00:45:12,36
in that regard we felt like you know there
really wasn't any more room for changes

521
00:45:13,12 --> 00:45:18,97
so that's why we sort of just moved on and
we should have come back and wrap things

522
00:45:18,98 --> 00:45:25,83
up guys. That still didn't answer my

523
00:45:25,84 --> 00:45:32,53
question why the big rush to have
it passed now that the Council's

524
00:45:32,54 --> 00:45:39,37
direction the councils the one
that chose to you know working

525
00:45:39,38 --> 00:45:45,94
with the attorney. Councils on who
chose to give it the short deadline

526
00:45:46,35 --> 00:45:50,04
so the council can come in before we're
finished with the project and just take it

527
00:45:50,05 --> 00:45:56,02
from us so is the legislative body the point
commission is the point body and we're

528
00:45:56,03 --> 00:46:02,73
just now. Thank you.

529
00:46:03,44 --> 00:46:04,44
Liz I agree we did have

530
00:46:04,45 --> 00:46:10,69
a good process but it wasn't complete and
what's the point of doing anything good

531
00:46:10,85 --> 00:46:17,74
if we don't complete the job. You're right
we did briefly discuss Japers five and

532
00:46:17,75 --> 00:46:24,09
eight when we got bogged down we decided
to go back to him. And my last point if

533
00:46:24,13 --> 00:46:28,20
everybody's unsatisfied with this general
plan maybe there's something wrong with

534
00:46:28,21 --> 00:46:34,13
it maybe we do need to go back and look at
it again if there's this much contention

535
00:46:34,15 --> 00:46:39,81
over it. Maybe maybe it's not right
maybe it's not the right thing

536
00:46:39,81 --> 00:46:43,24
.

537
00:46:46,86 --> 00:46:47,10
I've got

538
00:46:47,11 --> 00:46:52,45
a question for the commissioners five in
an eight What is it that you don't like

539
00:46:52,46 --> 00:46:58,36
about Feyerick is there anything in
particular that you're on south side with or

540
00:46:58,37 --> 00:47:03,30
just the process of not
being able to. Go all route

541
00:47:04,05 --> 00:47:08,78
a little closer than we did start its
number the process yes we started and we

542
00:47:08,79 --> 00:47:14,21
never finished them but we got bogged
down was jackers big time I thought and I

543
00:47:14,22 --> 00:47:20,79
think if anybody else would be or disagree.
And we didn't finish it but is there

544
00:47:20,80 --> 00:47:24,54
anything in particular it's been several
months and so I really studied Japanese

545
00:47:24,55 --> 00:47:27,11
five and eight but I know
what I did there was

546
00:47:27,12 --> 00:47:33,84
a lot of things in that.
Well the answer to

547
00:47:34,84 --> 00:47:41,68
COMMISSIONER Well this question. I get
bothered that we're holding the commission

548
00:47:41,94 --> 00:47:42,09
to

549
00:47:42,10 --> 00:47:48,72
a different standard than we're holding the
staff to OK we're you're asking for specifics

550
00:47:48,73 --> 00:47:53,75
from commission of members and we have not
gotten the specifics from the staff yet

551
00:47:54,15 --> 00:47:55,07
I heard again from

552
00:47:55,08 --> 00:48:01,98
a list tonight the general term.
Requirements I have not heard

553
00:48:01,99 --> 00:48:08,86
in fifteen months the specific relationship
of the legal requirements to lines

554
00:48:08,90 --> 00:48:15,62
in the policy document until I hear that
I will not be satisfied I cannot take

555
00:48:15,63 --> 00:48:20,63
generalities one of the things I try
to point out earlier is there is

556
00:48:20,64 --> 00:48:25,26
a credibility issue when you tell us that
we're going to meet again and for fifteen

557
00:48:25,27 --> 00:48:31,82
months we don't meet it is time to
talk specifics and not generalities.

558
00:48:34,47 --> 00:48:39,36
Speaking of the legality brought this up
through four times already but is there

559
00:48:39,37 --> 00:48:43,96
any legal precedence as to what the city
council's asking us to do as far as

560
00:48:43,97 --> 00:48:50,67
deciding tonight what our recommendation
is but. I don't think staff has to answer

561
00:48:50,68 --> 00:48:51,29
that N.D.

562
00:48:51,35 --> 00:48:56,89
Tonight they have an attorney on staff he's
advised them this is what's in front of

563
00:48:56,90 --> 00:49:01,15
us we can't keep asking
this question we have to as

564
00:49:01,16 --> 00:49:08,14
a commission at some point believe
what they have told us from their

565
00:49:08,15 --> 00:49:13,31
attorney is accurate we're not that we're
not the jury of that but I have something

566
00:49:13,32 --> 00:49:14,18
to say here in

567
00:49:14,19 --> 00:49:20,35
a minute but let's we can ask them that
they have told us this is what's before us

568
00:49:21,39 --> 00:49:26,47
not the legality of it we're not attorneys
we're not judges we don't understand

569
00:49:26,48 --> 00:49:31,77
legislative law the city has an attorney
on staff we're told that this is what we

570
00:49:31,78 --> 00:49:38,57
have to do now saying we have to do it
they're not going to answer that question.

571
00:49:39,83 --> 00:49:46,41
I don't expect him to with the city tonight
here but I that's I was he was here.

572
00:49:47,50 --> 00:49:52,82
When else.

573
00:49:59,69 --> 00:50:05,28
So thank you for the comments you were
very articulate and thank you also for

574
00:50:05,48 --> 00:50:11,06
reminding me of that meeting that that
I was at and I had forgotten about

575
00:50:11,06 --> 00:50:17,13
. I do recall now very clearly my

576
00:50:17,13 --> 00:50:22,99
. Very serious concerns
over the document and

577
00:50:24,45 --> 00:50:31,37
the dilemma that I'm facing here as I listen
to everybody and evaluate it I've come

578
00:50:31,38 --> 00:50:31,53
to

579
00:50:31,54 --> 00:50:36,97
a place where I am now because I have been
in public service for so long and I know

580
00:50:36,99 --> 00:50:43,98
how these things can go I am now
wearing weighing very carefully. What

581
00:50:44,06 --> 00:50:50,47
the outcome may be should we not approve
the plan and what the ramifications of

582
00:50:50,48 --> 00:50:56,97
that may be versus approving the
plan and retaining some level of of

583
00:50:57,01 --> 00:51:02,89
control over with the process
that's following. Your comment

584
00:51:03,93 --> 00:51:07,98
two years three years if it takes that
long we may not be here maybe the wrong

585
00:51:07,99 --> 00:51:14,92
people. I am convinced that this
commission would take that next task very

586
00:51:14,93 --> 00:51:21,24
seriously and holding the Kelso and the
staff accountable for the promises that

587
00:51:21,25 --> 00:51:26,98
have been made about the next step in the
process so that's what I'm that's what

588
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:33,68
I'm weighing at this
point. So Martin I have

589
00:51:33,69 --> 00:51:38,21
a question for you and I'm not quite
clear on what you meant by the earlier

590
00:51:38,22 --> 00:51:43,59
statement that we have to take. The
generalization that the lawyer says we take the

591
00:51:43,60 --> 00:51:49,33
whole document without having any specifics
can you speak to that again sure I'll

592
00:51:49,34 --> 00:51:52,76
go ahead and give my statement now and I'll
try and answer that in my statement if

593
00:51:52,77 --> 00:51:59,15
not you can react to the question five
years ago we started this general plan

594
00:51:59,16 --> 00:52:04,29
update some of the members that are on
here I think were on your own we started

595
00:52:04,30 --> 00:52:08,77
five years ago some came on as commissions
do they come and go some of not been on

596
00:52:08,78 --> 00:52:12,72
the whole time I know when
we started that about

597
00:52:12,73 --> 00:52:17,57
a year in I remember telling my family
that I was going to leave the Planning

598
00:52:17,58 --> 00:52:21,89
Commission is soon as the general plan was
updated and I thought it would honestly

599
00:52:21,90 --> 00:52:26,99
take about one more year so it's been five
years that's how long we've been working

600
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:32,36
on this I think what we're looking at
here for me it's two things the process

601
00:52:32,37 --> 00:52:38,71
versus the document we went through a
process that's taken five years and we have

602
00:52:38,72 --> 00:52:44,37
a document that's in front of us the members
of the commission and city staff know

603
00:52:44,38 --> 00:52:49,89
myself I have been so uncomfortable with
this process now I like Andy said there

604
00:52:49,90 --> 00:52:50,01
were

605
00:52:50,02 --> 00:52:54,55
a lot of good things with the process early
on we had great input from the community

606
00:52:54,56 --> 00:52:57,14
we had great community workshops we did

607
00:52:57,15 --> 00:53:03,13
a lot of good work I had have had many
problems and when can attest at these

608
00:53:03,14 --> 00:53:08,59
meetings right here back and forth almost
yelling at each other about the process

609
00:53:08,60 --> 00:53:13,36
and the role of the Planning Commission
I've always felt concerned I've felt that

610
00:53:13,37 --> 00:53:18,15
the Planning Commission
has been marginalized.

611
00:53:20,30 --> 00:53:24,20
You know the joint meetings with the
city council I've always been opposed to

612
00:53:24,21 --> 00:53:28,82
because I feel that marginalizes
a planning commission when it's

613
00:53:28,83 --> 00:53:33,24
a joint meeting of the city council and
the Planning Commission the city council

614
00:53:33,25 --> 00:53:37,15
sets up here the planning commissions down
there and although it's your meeting too

615
00:53:37,16 --> 00:53:41,18
it's really not because people know who
the decision makers are it's the city

616
00:53:41,19 --> 00:53:46,17
council and I just have never felt those
meetings lead to us doing what we have

617
00:53:46,18 --> 00:53:52,30
been tasked to do. So the process has
been to me at times very ugly and I don't

618
00:53:52,31 --> 00:53:55,68
want to sit up here and try and
be cute but you know they say

619
00:53:55,79 --> 00:54:00,16
a bill being made in Congress is kind of
like sausage being made and that's kind of

620
00:54:00,17 --> 00:54:03,13
what we've watched year but I
make sausage every year and it's

621
00:54:03,14 --> 00:54:10,05
a lot cleaner than this has been fifteen
months ago we had our last meeting on on

622
00:54:10,06 --> 00:54:16,95
the general plan update and the
Sue quoting me. Andy those

623
00:54:16,96 --> 00:54:20,83
are those are all true and I can also
tell you that in the last fifteen months

624
00:54:20,84 --> 00:54:27,50
myself. Have asked different members of
staff hey what's going on with the general

625
00:54:27,51 --> 00:54:31,99
plan update you know every couple months
what's going on what's going on oh we're

626
00:54:32,00 --> 00:54:35,74
working on it and I know other members of
the commission I'm sure have asked also

627
00:54:35,75 --> 00:54:41,45
what's going on and then you tend to forget
about it you know we all have our busy

628
00:54:41,46 --> 00:54:46,08
lives we're just up here you know we're
not politicians we all have families and

629
00:54:46,09 --> 00:54:49,47
lives and we're to stop here trying to do
what we think is best for this city and

630
00:54:49,48 --> 00:54:54,55
so you know I was shocked when I was told
it was fifteen months I couldn't believe

631
00:54:54,56 --> 00:55:01,07
that much time it went by I thought it was
six. But that's how much time went by

632
00:55:01,09 --> 00:55:06,42
and I'll just throw it out there I mean I
mean we might as well say it about three

633
00:55:06,43 --> 00:55:11,36
weeks ago and I haven't talked to Tammy
about this per se but three weeks ago I

634
00:55:11,38 --> 00:55:12,22
knew there was going to be

635
00:55:12,24 --> 00:55:16,43
a meeting on the general plan update and
at first I'm like wow we're finally going

636
00:55:16,45 --> 00:55:16,74
to have

637
00:55:16,75 --> 00:55:21,75
a meaning. And I was driving home from
work and about three seconds later I just

638
00:55:21,76 --> 00:55:26,57
went wait a minute there is an election
very soon and you don't have to be

639
00:55:26,58 --> 00:55:31,08
a rocket scientist to understand
why we're here why there's

640
00:55:31,09 --> 00:55:34,69
a meeting why they want
to hear OK There could be

641
00:55:34,70 --> 00:55:41,55
a brand new council and
that council may or may not

642
00:55:41,56 --> 00:55:46,79
say I don't like anything about this general
plan we're starting over and I think

643
00:55:46,80 --> 00:55:47,45
there's of maybe

644
00:55:47,46 --> 00:55:52,93
a fear of that I'm not I'm just assuming
I'm just try and read between the lines I

645
00:55:52,94 --> 00:55:56,96
think they're saying well we're I
don't know how we got to be over

646
00:55:56,97 --> 00:56:01,05
a million dollars into this thing I don't
know we're five years into it and I think

647
00:56:01,06 --> 00:56:01,26
there's

648
00:56:01,27 --> 00:56:07,84
a fear possibly do we really want to start
all over because I think in my view

649
00:56:08,11 --> 00:56:14,55
if it doesn't get done we are starting
over yet depending on that the makeup of

650
00:56:14,57 --> 00:56:19,50
a new city council I think that the majority
of this document would be trashed and

651
00:56:19,51 --> 00:56:25,27
we are starting over that's my opinion
so yeah the process has been not well

652
00:56:25,47 --> 00:56:28,01
handled maybe some of that's our fault as

653
00:56:28,02 --> 00:56:33,28
a commission for not being more forceful
in saying we want answers now I want to

654
00:56:33,29 --> 00:56:35,69
you know we we could have
caught I could have called

655
00:56:35,70 --> 00:56:39,72
a special meeting other chairman's at the
time we could have done more to be more

656
00:56:39,73 --> 00:56:46,70
proactive ourselves OK. City council
could have been more proactive but

657
00:56:46,87 --> 00:56:51,21
that's water under the bridge This is where
we're at so now we have to look at the

658
00:56:51,22 --> 00:56:57,60
document that's in front of us we
have worked on this for five years

659
00:56:58,24 --> 00:57:00,47
now at our last meeting there were

660
00:57:00,48 --> 00:57:05,23
a lot of things that I didn't care for that
none of us cared for but really for the

661
00:57:05,24 --> 00:57:09,73
most part most of those were specific
things for example I know one that keeps

662
00:57:09,74 --> 00:57:12,55
coming up. Building on

663
00:57:12,56 --> 00:57:17,54
a twenty five percent slope or or whatever
we all said you know hey if you can pay

664
00:57:17,55 --> 00:57:18,14
the engineer

665
00:57:18,15 --> 00:57:22,22
a million dollars and he can engineer that
more power to you man go ahead and build

666
00:57:22,23 --> 00:57:22,34
on

667
00:57:22,35 --> 00:57:29,40
a ninety degree slope we don't care we
did get albeit late the process list of

668
00:57:29,41 --> 00:57:34,47
all the majority that I saw the recommendations
we wanted made and you know and

669
00:57:34,48 --> 00:57:38,36
then they would date said you know they
would say hey this is what the commission

670
00:57:38,37 --> 00:57:42,90
recommends to the city council and then
the staff comment would say staff concurs

671
00:57:42,91 --> 00:57:49,08
with the recommendation or I would say
staff doesn't concur and this is why Ok so

672
00:57:49,09 --> 00:57:53,01
so for example the twenty or twenty five
percent staff didn't concur and they

673
00:57:53,02 --> 00:57:56,61
didn't want to change it
and now they say there's

674
00:57:56,62 --> 00:58:03,20
a reason they have to do that I don't
necessarily agree with it but that's

675
00:58:03,58 --> 00:58:07,06
that's what is there.

676
00:58:11,25 --> 00:58:16,78
The document front of us is not perfect and
it will never be perfect and I you know

677
00:58:16,82 --> 00:58:21,36
the people that are here speaking tonight
are our citizens that since I've been on

678
00:58:21,37 --> 00:58:25,40
the commission for many many years they
go to almost every meeting and they care

679
00:58:25,41 --> 00:58:30,24
about the city and you know I've made the
comment before we have twelve thousand

680
00:58:30,25 --> 00:58:34,81
people in the town and it's always the
same six or seven people there that are

681
00:58:34,82 --> 00:58:36,19
coming to us Well you know that's

682
00:58:36,20 --> 00:58:39,77
a six or seven people and I know they have
people they talk to they have the time

683
00:58:39,78 --> 00:58:43,14
just like we do to care so I
know they care and I agree with

684
00:58:43,15 --> 00:58:49,94
a lot of what they say but this is not
my general plan it's not two wings

685
00:58:50,09 --> 00:58:51,43
paths it's

686
00:58:51,44 --> 00:58:56,02
a general plan for the city of Fortuna and
we will never and we all know that we're

687
00:58:56,02 --> 00:58:56,73
never going to get

688
00:58:56,73 --> 00:59:02,57
a perfect general plan we're never going
to get that I mean we can start all over

689
00:59:02,58 --> 00:59:07,68
and something somebody else is going to
like I'm not going to like vice versa I'm

690
00:59:07,68 --> 00:59:13,73
over all. Proud of the work that this
commission has done if nothing else for the

691
00:59:13,74 --> 00:59:18,93
time that we have spent up here hours and
hours and hours and hours away from our

692
00:59:18,94 --> 00:59:23,69
family and friends I mean it's not like
this is overly fun and there's nothing

693
00:59:23,73 --> 00:59:29,52
really in it for you other than trying to
do your side your civic duty and you know

694
00:59:29,53 --> 00:59:36,35
I am proud of the work we did and the
majority of this plan I support Now again I'm

695
00:59:36,36 --> 00:59:37,68
not a lawyer I'm not

696
00:59:37,69 --> 00:59:42,23
a sequel lawyer I'm not an environmental
lawyer I don't understand why some of

697
00:59:42,24 --> 00:59:45,57
these things can or cannot be in
there but I'm not supposed to be

698
00:59:45,58 --> 00:59:49,91
a lawyer I'm not supposed to make sure
and I don't think we're supposed to make

699
00:59:49,92 --> 00:59:54,70
sure that every single thing in there is
just perfect with the law on this and that

700
00:59:54,85 --> 00:59:59,97
that's not our charge we're planning
commission citizens of this community with

701
00:59:59,98 --> 01:00:06,55
different backgrounds and we're
supposed our charge to me here is to

702
01:00:06,63 --> 01:00:12,51
look at the whole the process hold the
meetings get the input give our employees

703
01:00:13,81 --> 01:00:20,40
and then we say we either approve of this
or we disapprove of it it's not our job

704
01:00:20,41 --> 01:00:25,81
to write this general plan it's the city
council's job that's where it finally Rast

705
01:00:25,85 --> 01:00:32,50
our job is to look at this and either
approve it or disapprove it moving on

706
01:00:32,67 --> 01:00:38,65
now Arden I I think was your question why
do I think it has to be done tonight

707
01:00:38,65 --> 01:00:45,32
. What. My question
concerns what we should

708
01:00:45,33 --> 01:00:52,09
expect relative to the. Statements

709
01:00:52,10 --> 01:00:58,75
about. The legality of certain items
in the in the policy document

710
01:00:59,10 --> 01:01:04,16
because I have been previous meetings
pointed out statements that are just object

711
01:01:04,17 --> 01:01:10,36
of by nature and yet all I get back is the
statement that well it's it's required

712
01:01:10,37 --> 01:01:13,96
for legal authority I
cannot accept that in

713
01:01:13,97 --> 01:01:19,49
a way I can accept that that's I understand
that and I can sympathize with that I

714
01:01:19,50 --> 01:01:26,10
can accept it because I'm not the attorney
if the city staff is telling me that

715
01:01:26,11 --> 01:01:33,09
that is legally acceptable I've got
to believe them I'm just I think

716
01:01:33,10 --> 01:01:37,92
I do sue you shake your head at me that's
just fine I didn't shake my head at you

717
01:01:37,93 --> 01:01:44,70
when you were talking I
listened very nicely OK. So the

718
01:01:44,74 --> 01:01:51,68
point is is. We are not attorneys
if they have told us that that

719
01:01:51,69 --> 01:01:55,56
is legally acceptable that's good enough
for me that's all and I understand that

720
01:01:55,57 --> 01:02:00,44
you don't feel that way it's not a matter
of having to be legal tourney it's

721
01:02:00,45 --> 01:02:06,42
a matter of logic that's where I'm coming
from OK A statement is either logically

722
01:02:06,43 --> 01:02:11,44
defensible or it's not logically dispensable
it doesn't have anything to do with

723
01:02:11,45 --> 01:02:11,85
whether you're

724
01:02:11,86 --> 01:02:17,66
a lawyer or not there are statements in
this policy document that are not logically

725
01:02:17,67 --> 01:02:22,04
defense and that's OK And and to use

726
01:02:22,08 --> 01:02:28,84
a generalization that it's legally required
is not good enough that's what we're

727
01:02:28,85 --> 01:02:29,04
getting

728
01:02:29,05 --> 01:02:35,28
a smokescreen here OK respond to me OK if
I can point out one that's all it takes

729
01:02:35,29 --> 01:02:36,81
and there was it's like

730
01:02:36,82 --> 01:02:40,89
a mathematical proof I can prove it by
negating it and that's what I'm trying to do

731
01:02:40,90 --> 01:02:46,29
here OK I have put on the table in the past
Pacific examples where this is true but

732
01:02:46,30 --> 01:02:50,81
I still get the same statement because it's
an easy statement to make That's what's

733
01:02:50,82 --> 01:02:56,40
not right here then why did you vote yes
for it at the last meeting OK I felt like

734
01:02:56,41 --> 01:03:03,32
you coming into the last meeting that the
general policy document was we had found

735
01:03:03,33 --> 01:03:09,75
a lot of time on OK and I thought it should
go forward but I realized in listening

736
01:03:09,76 --> 01:03:15,37
to and and and Tammy that I had
been too quick OK OK I made

737
01:03:15,38 --> 01:03:20,48
a mistake if I had to do over again I would
have done what I did on Monday I think

738
01:03:20,55 --> 01:03:25,07
personally that we're letting the motions
get involved and were let in the process

739
01:03:25,08 --> 01:03:31,04
get in the way of the documents I think
everyone's upset about the process and

740
01:03:31,05 --> 01:03:33,12
upset that we are told to have to make

741
01:03:33,13 --> 01:03:39,89
a decision tonight. If we do nothing no
matter you know we can do nothing that's

742
01:03:39,90 --> 01:03:44,28
fine doesn't matter to me we can vote it
up we can vote it down we can adjourn and

743
01:03:44,29 --> 01:03:50,82
walk out of here it is going to the city
council at their next meeting now. I feel

744
01:03:50,83 --> 01:03:54,48
it's an obligation of this
commission to at least have

745
01:03:54,49 --> 01:04:01,23
a vote up or down. One way or the other
I don't want to adjourn and that I

746
01:04:01,24 --> 01:04:04,97
feel that's our job after five long years

747
01:04:04,98 --> 01:04:09,29
a work regardless if we think it should be
another two months or three months it's

748
01:04:09,30 --> 01:04:12,64
not here we are tonight and
we're being asked to make

749
01:04:12,65 --> 01:04:18,94
a decision so. That's all I have to say
the public comments been closed sorry

750
01:04:18,94 --> 01:04:25,60
. It will it will be on an agenda.

751
01:04:26,11 --> 01:04:31,09
It's on October twenty sixth Yeah.

752
01:04:41,04 --> 01:04:46,89
So here we are people can continue to
speak and give their opinions we can make

753
01:04:46,90 --> 01:04:53,50
a motion for

754
01:04:54,31 --> 01:04:54,81
for we make

755
01:04:54,82 --> 01:04:59,23
a motion I want to say that I have
participated many years ago and I'm in the

756
01:04:59,24 --> 01:05:04,71
planning process you know I'm OK where
we did five neighborhoods it was

757
01:05:04,72 --> 01:05:11,66
a three month process that
took five years. And. That one

758
01:05:11,67 --> 01:05:18,41
and it was the same kind of issue
and representatives from Fish and

759
01:05:18,42 --> 01:05:24,85
Game. Differed in that we did have
representatives come forward and explain aspects

760
01:05:24,85 --> 01:05:30,82
of the law that were
troubling to us that said I

761
01:05:31,95 --> 01:05:38,76
And I also understand that. A
document such as this I do accept

762
01:05:39,66 --> 01:05:45,81
that if there are areas there that can be
challenged legally and successfully that

763
01:05:45,81 --> 01:05:51,29
it will be challenged I don't accept the
fact that while I work in an environment

764
01:05:51,30 --> 01:05:58,17
where it is and I've seen it happen too
many times so I'm of the opinion that if

765
01:05:58,18 --> 01:06:02,19
we if we choose to vote to stand on.

766
01:06:05,05 --> 01:06:09,55
My biggest concern is we will cease to be
active participants in the rest of this

767
01:06:09,56 --> 01:06:13,25
process.

768
01:06:32,93 --> 01:06:33,72
Anybody want to make

769
01:06:33,73 --> 01:06:40,41
a motion anybody want to say
anything else have another question

770
01:06:41,08 --> 01:06:47,96
so what Mike was saying if this is voted
down that we won't be able to participate

771
01:06:47,97 --> 01:06:53,41
in this process and more does that mean
that we can't work on the zoning or

772
01:06:53,41 --> 01:06:59,12
. Still I don't think

773
01:06:59,12 --> 01:07:04,34
. Literally because certainly if you're
still in the planning commission you would

774
01:07:04,35 --> 01:07:11,13
still be making decisions I think
it would be difficult for me

775
01:07:11,13 --> 01:07:16,99
to I mean I would fully participate but it
would be difficult for me to go forward

776
01:07:17,03 --> 01:07:17,22
with

777
01:07:17,22 --> 01:07:24,39
a plan that I had not supported and
do the next step in the work as

778
01:07:24,40 --> 01:07:31,25
well. I would take

779
01:07:31,26 --> 01:07:37,11
a little different tack on that. I would
say we should vote it down to send

780
01:07:37,12 --> 01:07:42,15
a loud and clear message that we don't
want to continue the process forward like

781
01:07:42,16 --> 01:07:46,94
we've had in the past we're sitting here
talking about going forward with zoning

782
01:07:46,95 --> 01:07:52,29
documents and other things OK if we vote
in favor of this tonight we'll continue

783
01:07:52,30 --> 01:07:54,59
the same process in the
future I don't want to be

784
01:07:54,60 --> 01:07:58,73
a participant in that type
of charade it's time to send

785
01:07:58,74 --> 01:08:03,03
a message loud and clear that if you want
to vote for this commission then you need

786
01:08:03,04 --> 01:08:04,45
to earn.

787
01:08:12,98 --> 01:08:19,89
It When else like to say
anything hopefully someone's

788
01:08:19,90 --> 01:08:22,55
going to make some type
of motion in it in a in

789
01:08:22,56 --> 01:08:29,49
a minute here again I employ the
commission to not get caught up in we are

790
01:08:29,53 --> 01:08:35,79
we fill that we you know we've been treated
wrongly or badly or the process hasn't

791
01:08:35,80 --> 01:08:42,58
gone crack is it hasn't we know that
and I say part of it's our fault.

792
01:08:44,11 --> 01:08:46,64
We've been sitting up here
for fifteen months without

793
01:08:46,65 --> 01:08:51,41
a meaning we should have called for some
action and we did it and I will take

794
01:08:51,42 --> 01:08:53,67
responsibility for part
of that not all of it but

795
01:08:53,68 --> 01:08:56,83
a little teeny bit I mean I kind of

796
01:08:56,84 --> 01:09:01,84
a little bit disagreeing with that because
many times we asked you know when is

797
01:09:01,85 --> 01:09:04,89
this coming back what's going
on and there was always

798
01:09:04,93 --> 01:09:09,34
a reason it wasn't quite ready
yet it wasn't I could've called

799
01:09:09,35 --> 01:09:13,87
a national meeting just like we have
tonight OK it's all your fault that it

800
01:09:13,91 --> 01:09:20,04
a little bit. I'm just saying please let's
let's look at the document and you know

801
01:09:20,05 --> 01:09:25,11
if we don't if people aren't happy with
the document I have no problem with that

802
01:09:25,12 --> 01:09:32,09
but let's not vote no just because we
don't like the process I think we vote on

803
01:09:32,10 --> 01:09:33,96
the document we all of sent

804
01:09:33,97 --> 01:09:40,81
a message we do not like this process we
know that but that doesn't get us anywhere

805
01:09:43,79 --> 01:09:49,22
vote no if you don't like that vote document
vote yes if you still don't like it

806
01:09:50,13 --> 01:09:55,25
but think that's the work that we've
done and the as good as it may get

807
01:09:55,25 --> 01:09:57,24
.

808
01:10:04,61 --> 01:10:10,12
Let's if we can take those emotions out I
mean you're probably right handy but that

809
01:10:10,13 --> 01:10:11,34
will come up if you are

810
01:10:17,39 --> 01:10:18,79
it's hard for me to vote yes on

811
01:10:18,80 --> 01:10:25,73
a document that I didn't get to finish and
I don't like what's in there. I'm not

812
01:10:25,73 --> 01:10:32,39
. Criticizing for you that all the but
what I don't like is in there as well

813
01:10:32,76 --> 01:10:39,60
the parts that we did and you know that
are in there I mean there's that was good

814
01:10:39,61 --> 01:10:46,43
we did good work I think we made good
suggestions but. I don't I just if it was

815
01:10:46,44 --> 01:10:51,34
completely done I would totally support it
but it's not and I can't totally support

816
01:10:51,35 --> 01:10:55,78
I understand that but I'd completely happy
when I told you agree with Sammy if it

817
01:10:55,79 --> 01:11:01,45
was done I could support this but it's
not we didn't finish. There were changes

818
01:11:01,46 --> 01:11:06,54
made to this document that we just found
out to go about in one of these recent

819
01:11:07,38 --> 01:11:14,04
packets we got about just just to point out
that the square footage is on the type

820
01:11:14,05 --> 01:11:19,81
of use purge zone or. Verizon
produced great we talked for

821
01:11:19,82 --> 01:11:24,17
a long time about it's good it's bad it's
this and we decided to get rid of IT

822
01:11:24,28 --> 01:11:28,32
staff decided to put it back again and
we just found out after the UARS already

823
01:11:28,33 --> 01:11:35,27
done we decided that the community
that the market would determine how it

824
01:11:35,28 --> 01:11:39,97
grew I agree with you and
it's back and we spent

825
01:11:39,98 --> 01:11:45,18
a lot of time on that there's no legal
precedent for that but we are not the policy

826
01:11:45,19 --> 01:11:51,60
grafters you're right we get our input no
we very well they may change it or not

827
01:11:51,61 --> 01:11:58,31
accept it or not accept it and the City
Council. Can then again change everything

828
01:11:58,32 --> 01:12:04,18
we've done I mean so it's our job if you
and I did our job I looked in that our

829
01:12:04,19 --> 01:12:07,52
planning commission commissioners handbook
that we got all got we started on this

830
01:12:07,53 --> 01:12:11,12
these are sort of the commission and I
didn't bring with me I wish I would have but

831
01:12:11,13 --> 01:12:15,48
it basically says our job for the plan for
the general plan is to help facilitate

832
01:12:15,49 --> 01:12:20,07
the creation of general plan it's not to
approve or disapprove it it's our job to

833
01:12:20,08 --> 01:12:25,14
help create it feels to facilitate the
creation of it it's the city councils job to

834
01:12:25,15 --> 01:12:30,88
adopt it or not adopt it I don't feel that
we are we're done with that document I

835
01:12:30,89 --> 01:12:35,73
understand I sent it on you don't have to
but I think we did help facilitate it we

836
01:12:35,74 --> 01:12:41,76
have and we're not done and but you're going
back to we all said this should be in

837
01:12:41,77 --> 01:12:45,82
there and it's not they ended up not putting
it in there that doesn't matter our

838
01:12:45,83 --> 01:12:50,05
suggestion should be in there the way we
suggest you know not of not of city staff

839
01:12:50,06 --> 01:12:54,22
doesn't want it in there there I don't
know it's OK so it's not in there the fact

840
01:12:54,23 --> 01:13:00,05
that we find out two weeks I agree
posed to send it on that's the process

841
01:13:01,05 --> 01:13:06,11
that's not the process no I said that is
the process being inadequate I agree it's

842
01:13:06,12 --> 01:13:12,75
the process versus the document and that's
just one example that I know the process

843
01:13:12,75 --> 01:13:18,78
. Has maybe ardent some but you
said stinks I understand that

844
01:13:20,13 --> 01:13:23,73
I'm just trying to look at the document
I don't see the process stinks the fact

845
01:13:23,74 --> 01:13:30,14
that it's so close to the election saying
well that's part of the process I mean

846
01:13:30,14 --> 01:13:31,66
.

847
01:13:42,07 --> 01:13:48,71
I don't know well it's. It's so

848
01:13:48,72 --> 01:13:50,06
somebody needs to make

849
01:13:50,07 --> 01:13:56,43
a recommendation. Well we keep discussing
it all happens if nobody makes record I

850
01:13:56,44 --> 01:14:01,47
don't I don't think we have to well I
well if no one was in the chair I'll make

851
01:14:01,48 --> 01:14:02,42
motion I can make

852
01:14:02,43 --> 01:14:06,75
a motion and I'll make the make the motion
I've sat here and listened to this what

853
01:14:06,76 --> 01:14:12,33
I've listened to and damn I
obviously know what I think so

854
01:14:12,33 --> 01:14:17,75
. OK Do we have to make

855
01:14:17,76 --> 01:14:22,30
a motion that suggested. Yes
one of those two we can't make

856
01:14:22,31 --> 01:14:26,44
a substitute motion now oh.

857
01:14:30,12 --> 01:14:36,11
I K It's my understanding that the motion

858
01:14:37,03 --> 01:14:42,95
OK let's see. Motion number

859
01:14:43,44 --> 01:14:48,38
resolution P one one one
seven eight two zero one

860
01:14:48,38 --> 01:14:55,26
. Section fourteen

861
01:14:55,27 --> 01:15:01,66
states. And I'll just say those important
words that we not adopt the two thousand

862
01:15:01,67 --> 01:15:08,14
and ten update OK. I move we
except that resolution with the

863
01:15:08,15 --> 01:15:14,59
following amendment to it which goes back
to Monday night which once again people

864
01:15:14,60 --> 01:15:21,36
are listening to OK in resolution P

865
01:15:21,40 --> 01:15:27,46
one seven one one seven eight S two zero
one zero delete section ten which states

866
01:15:27,67 --> 01:15:31,97
the Planning Commission reviewed and
considered the two thousand and ten draft

867
01:15:31,98 --> 01:15:37,93
P.E.I. Consistent with C. Quick write line
Section fifty one five zero two five C.

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01:15:38,74 --> 01:15:44,41
And of quote. I might go on to say
that in Monday's meeting Mr was

869
01:15:44,84 --> 01:15:49,32
a lawyer hired by the city for his expertise
and secret stated he agreed with the

870
01:15:49,33 --> 01:15:53,44
comment in the staff report the commission
was not required to make recommendations

871
01:15:53,45 --> 01:15:56,28
or findings regarding the D.P. R.

872
01:15:56,28 --> 01:16:01,96
. Since Monday's staff report also states
The commission has not requested to make

873
01:16:01,97 --> 01:16:04,87
recommendations or findings
regarding to be P.R.

874
01:16:04,88 --> 01:16:07,44
And I think there are serious
problems with the D.P.I.

875
01:16:07,45 --> 01:16:11,16
The resolution should be amended
as I've just stated this is

876
01:16:11,17 --> 01:16:17,31
a specific example of what I've been
talking about tonight. And of motion

877
01:16:23,75 --> 01:16:25,01
you have a motion do we have

878
01:16:25,02 --> 01:16:37,15
a second. OK

879
01:16:37,16 --> 01:16:42,11
We have a first and a second to
approve a resolution number P.

880
01:16:42,12 --> 01:16:44,49
Dash one one one seven eight
ass two thousand and ten

881
01:16:44,50 --> 01:16:48,18
a resolution of the city of Fortuna
planning commission recommending that the

882
01:16:48,19 --> 01:16:53,11
Fortuna city council not adopt the two
thousand and thirty general plan update roll

883
01:16:53,12 --> 01:16:59,77
call vote commissioner Henry Yes
Commissioner No Commissioner Gillum

884
01:17:00,29 --> 01:17:07,23
Yes chair Thomas to me now Commissioner

885
01:17:07,24 --> 01:17:14,01
Wells Yes Commissioner Albon. Right no

886
01:17:14,01 --> 01:17:18,73
. OK So that was

887
01:17:18,74 --> 01:17:25,60
a three three vote. Four We have possibly

888
01:17:25,61 --> 01:17:30,41
another resolution or we sit here along you
know I probably shouldn't even say this

889
01:17:30,43 --> 01:17:33,16
but I have to say I want to
point the finger at Duane

890
01:17:33,18 --> 01:17:38,71
a little bit we were told that our and it
wasn't Wayne's fault it was the attorney

891
01:17:38,72 --> 01:17:43,84
we hired apparently we were told not Monday
night but our joint meeting that the

892
01:17:43,85 --> 01:17:48,09
next meeting we would have would be at our
next ragin regularly scheduled Planning

893
01:17:48,10 --> 01:17:53,41
Commission meeting Well I always know
what meetings are on Tuesday. And so the

894
01:17:53,42 --> 01:17:58,14
reason I wasn't here Monday I was back
east on business and I knew in my head

895
01:17:58,18 --> 01:18:02,35
making my plans I got to be back
by Tuesday night and I cancelled

896
01:18:02,36 --> 01:18:07,78
a very important meeting Monday. To travel
back here thinking maybe they're going

897
01:18:07,79 --> 01:18:08,14
to call

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01:18:08,15 --> 01:18:13,29
a meeting on Tuesday and then I lo and
behold point out the meetings Monday and I'm

899
01:18:13,30 --> 01:18:18,17
like wait I won't be there I'm flying
back so I was kind of bummed about that I

900
01:18:18,18 --> 01:18:23,33
take pride in the fact I make almost every
single meeting and have for many many

901
01:18:23,34 --> 01:18:27,44
years the ironic thing is and
maybe it's just this way for

902
01:18:27,45 --> 01:18:32,16
a reason we wouldn't be sitting here if I
would have been at that meeting it had

903
01:18:32,17 --> 01:18:37,83
been forty two and it had been done as want
to point that little piece of irony out

904
01:18:40,03 --> 01:18:46,88
so we had. A resolution. That was not

905
01:18:46,89 --> 01:18:52,28
passed to someone want to make another
resolution. Again from our planet

906
01:18:52,29 --> 01:18:55,90
commissioners handbook so the substitute
motion seeks to throw out the basic

907
01:18:55,91 --> 01:18:59,63
motions of new and different motions
for it say that again slow down

908
01:18:59,67 --> 01:19:03,73
a substitute motion seeks to throw
out the basic motion and substitute

909
01:19:03,74 --> 01:19:10,30
a new and different motion for it so
are you going with that So with that

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01:19:10,66 --> 01:19:11,64
I move that we make

911
01:19:11,65 --> 01:19:15,15
a substitute motion that we table this
side and tell our next regular schedule

912
01:19:15,44 --> 01:19:19,24
Planning Commission meeting at which time
we continue our review of the policy

913
01:19:19,25 --> 01:19:25,40
document OK Duane is that allowable
you I don't believe you have

914
01:19:25,41 --> 01:19:29,34
a substitute motion issue here you
have made a motion and you took

915
01:19:29,35 --> 01:19:34,56
a vote and you are tight on that. So
it would warrant a new motion not

916
01:19:34,57 --> 01:19:38,18
a substitute motion the substitution
comes into play if there is

917
01:19:38,19 --> 01:19:44,41
a motion on the floor that has been voted
on so if I take substitute out of that

918
01:19:44,42 --> 01:19:46,83
and so so indeed you have made

919
01:19:46,84 --> 01:19:51,56
a motion and it was second and
vote was taken in its entirety

920
01:19:51,86 --> 01:19:56,24
a new motion could be made
at any time so I make

921
01:19:56,25 --> 01:19:59,99
a motion that we table the side until our
next regular schedule Planning Commission

922
01:20:00,00 --> 01:20:04,88
meeting at which time we continue
our review of the policy document.

923
01:20:08,23 --> 01:20:14,96
Can we do that or you just going to go for
it without the. What I would tell you

924
01:20:15,00 --> 01:20:21,02
is yes you can do that but in reality what
it will happen is that mean you did not

925
01:20:21,03 --> 01:20:22,42
make any decisions the same as

926
01:20:22,43 --> 01:20:29,18
a tie vote no decision was made and therefore
by the City Council's resolution you

927
01:20:29,19 --> 01:20:32,18
have by definition passed on this as

928
01:20:32,19 --> 01:20:39,09
a recommendation we

929
01:20:39,10 --> 01:20:39,45
don't have

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01:20:39,46 --> 01:20:46,38
a second yet for Randi's let's let's
do this we did have two resolutions

931
01:20:46,39 --> 01:20:51,92
in front of us the first one was three
to three so does to move forward

932
01:20:51,92 --> 01:20:56,33
. I'll make a motion that we
adopt resolution number P.

933
01:20:56,34 --> 01:20:59,77
Dash one one one one one one seven B.

934
01:20:59,78 --> 01:21:00,47
Twenty ten

935
01:21:00,48 --> 01:21:04,88
a resolution the city of Fortuna Planning
Commission recommended the force for two

936
01:21:04,89 --> 01:21:10,48
city council adopt the two thousand and ten
general plan update with the change of

937
01:21:11,33 --> 01:21:16,49
taking out Section ten that the Planning
Commission reviewed and consider the two

938
01:21:16,50 --> 01:21:17,85
thousand and ten draft P.E.I.

939
01:21:17,86 --> 01:21:22,88
Are consistent with sequel guidelines
Section fifteen or twenty five C.

940
01:21:22,88 --> 01:21:25,03
. As

941
01:21:25,04 --> 01:21:29,83
a matter of note if I can that I believe
is in that resolution it shows up in

942
01:21:30,49 --> 01:21:36,14
a different section oh of section nine
OK I'm sorry section nine so we delete

943
01:21:36,15 --> 01:21:42,76
section nine. It the

944
01:21:42,77 --> 01:21:49,60
next it's the next page. So does
anyone want to sack another

945
01:21:49,61 --> 01:21:53,98
second that OK we have a
first and second to approve

946
01:21:53,99 --> 01:21:56,31
a resolution number Pete
as one one one seven B.

947
01:21:56,32 --> 01:21:57,14
Dash twenty ten

948
01:21:57,15 --> 01:22:01,58
a resolution of the city of Fortuna Planning
Commission recommended for to the City

949
01:22:01,59 --> 01:22:07,84
Council adopt one and ten general plan
update roll call vote commissioner HENRY No

950
01:22:08,20 --> 01:22:15,13
Commissioner LOWE Yes
Commissioner no chair Thomas.

951
01:22:15,13 --> 01:22:21,59
Commissioner wells. Commissioner
Albon no. All right

952
01:22:21,64 --> 01:22:28,07
so. The. Resolution passes forty

953
01:22:28,08 --> 01:22:34,40
two. Nos three Oh was it three
The OP Sorry he said yes

954
01:22:34,95 --> 01:22:39,51
now he said no oh OK it's three so it's
three three I almost pulled it off

955
01:22:39,51 --> 01:22:44,22
. So we can make

956
01:22:44,23 --> 01:22:50,30
a decision after five long years I understand
why so it's three three moves on to

957
01:22:50,31 --> 01:22:56,13
the city council anything else going
that's your business tonight OK we're

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01:22:56,14 --> 01:23:00,88
a journey. But

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01:23:00,88 --> 01:23:05,19
. It's.