reeeirH br Karachi:; Ira Gupta at the station. Gupta
hati arrange*. 1 for th*-ir stay in s, Shiva mandir on the banks
of ihe Ganges. Here fever again made its appearance. Gupta
%-usa sta-Ieut »*f the local college of commerce. Hundreds
*/£ stU'ter-ts of the college came to see Ramlas. Fever did
n-"t prev»-iit Liiui fr<-m having free talks xvith them. They
WMiiM pst IiEni all kin Is of cuiestions aiidhe was ready -with

ny :uyiit u li^in^p of stu»ients, h^adeJ by a leader,
t«> interview Ram^ias. They belonged to a sect called
Cuarvak, allie-i to materialism. Their leader iliscussetl till
on^f/dock eitnteu'liii^ that the bc^Iy \vas all aim that life
was inteTuted only !MF material enjoyment. Everything
was m^r^ly luture and 5ts ^*ork; there ^as no such thing
us soul, spirit or Gi«L ^s controller of tlie worlds.
Ruia»:as i^i Lira at last: *" Friend* Ramdas cannot prore
tf y(,r,* j»y nier^ arguirients the existence of God, nobody
can. R'iimus fr..»m Ms own experience can boldly assert
that therein Gu'L Until you yourself get the experience, it
is natural that you should deny Him. Bat a time vfill come
when you tou will have faith in Him."
Ramdas" stay in Ca \vnpore was only for four days. From
Lalitpijr, Triyeni PrasaJ explained by letter that his second
call was due to the local munsiff who had missed him.
o^wing tu« his iynoranee of Eamdas' arrival at Lalitpor
at his first visit, and \vho was HOTT anxious to see him.
Ram*ias proceeded, therefore, with Kameharamlas again to
Lalitpnr. The fever continued. This time they were put tip
at the nvansitFs house. He and his wife were extremely
kind. They tended him as though he were their child. Here
Ramdas met Ramkinkar of JhansL
After a couple of days they left Lalitpur direct for
Bombay. In the train they met a Sikh who was also going
to Bombay. All through the journey he looked after Ram-
daa with great tenderness, attending to all Ms needs. As
they seated Bombay the oompartmeat in which they sat