WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:26.360 Hello and welcome back to Senior Perspectives, a show by and about elders living here on 00:26.360 --> 00:32.360 our beautiful Northern California coast. Senior Perspectives is brought to you by Redwood Coast 00:32.360 --> 00:37.560 Senior Center just around the corner and up the block from the studios here. Be sure and drop by, 00:37.560 --> 00:42.080 have lunch, visit us. If you need support or help for anything, if you're just looking to make a 00:42.080 --> 00:47.320 good connection and want to have a good time, come on up to the Senior Center and keep company with 00:47.320 --> 00:53.640 us. And of course we're here in the studios of Mendocino Coast Television who is our sponsor and 00:53.640 --> 00:59.320 benefactor and makes this whole show possible, which leads me to a really interesting, interesting 00:59.320 --> 01:06.000 show because our guest today is Barbara Foote who works here at Mendocino Coast Television, 01:06.000 --> 01:12.680 is a volunteer and part of the crew that produces this show and isn't it interesting being over 01:12.680 --> 01:17.560 here on this side of the camera? You better believe it. What do you think? Well in fact, 01:17.560 --> 01:23.480 I'm normally camera number one, which happens to be that one over there, that happens to be 01:23.480 --> 01:27.560 the one that I'm behind, so now I'm in front of it. It is fascinating. And look at this, 01:27.560 --> 01:34.960 I even got dressed for the part today. It's just wonderful to have you here and obviously I think 01:34.960 --> 01:41.120 the place I want to start off is two-sided. How did you end up on the North Coast and how did you 01:41.120 --> 01:48.200 end up doing TV? Well, do you want to hear a really romantic story? Oh, my favorite kind, my favorite 01:48.200 --> 01:56.960 kind. Way back when I had a friend named Barbara Chapman and she said, let's go up and visit my 01:56.960 --> 02:05.560 friend Beth in Mendocino. Okay. And this you were living? Down in San Francisco. Okay. And so she 02:05.560 --> 02:12.760 and I came up and we stayed over the Memorial Day weekend that year and we're having this drunken 02:12.760 --> 02:19.320 party at Beth's house. Some other friends have come over. A North Coast tradition. And Beth says, 02:19.320 --> 02:24.960 oh, I hear a car in the driveway. That must be Bill, my landlord. I'd better invite him up, 02:24.960 --> 02:28.600 you know, if we're having this party. We're going to have a party. The least you can do is admit the 02:28.600 --> 02:35.800 landlord. So Bill comes up and that was the first time I met him. Now this is Bill Foote. Love it 02:35.800 --> 02:42.880 first sight. Not quite because, you know, he got a little more interested in me than I did in him at 02:42.880 --> 02:49.040 the moment. We stayed during the week and he had to go down into the city. But on the following 02:49.040 --> 02:56.320 weekend, he comes up and he invites us downstairs for an Irish coffee. And he says, can I see you 02:56.320 --> 03:03.680 back in the city? And I kind of go, well, I really want to do this. Yeah. So I gave him my work phone 03:03.680 --> 03:11.080 number, not my home phone number. And we did get around to seeing each other. And you've heard the 03:11.080 --> 03:18.600 way to a man's heart is through his stomach. It works the other way around. He would show up at 03:18.600 --> 03:23.120 my place with chicken in one hand and Grand Marnier in the other or steak in one hand and 03:23.120 --> 03:34.640 Drambudi in the other. And to give you a time frame here, we met on Memorial Day weekend. He proposed on 03:35.600 --> 03:42.440 Fourth of July weekend. We got married on Labor Day weekend. Wow, I thought you were going to say 03:42.440 --> 03:49.440 that. That's amazing. Yeah. A whirlwind summer romance. Yeah. And we came up for 30 years from 03:49.440 --> 03:58.560 the city. He eventually retired up here. He was older than I was. Yeah. And then I got a job farther 03:58.560 --> 04:05.040 north in Petaluma. So the commute on the weekends wasn't quite so bad. And I eventually came up to 04:05.040 --> 04:11.160 take care of him. And he passed away about five years ago. Okay. And then a new phase of life. And 04:11.160 --> 04:19.240 as a part of that new phase of life, television. Yeah, that was kind of a surprise to me. Isn't 04:19.240 --> 04:25.480 that interesting? So here we are making TV together. That's right. That's right. And I do their 04:25.480 --> 04:31.640 scheduling. Right. So, you know, I know what's going to be going on on Wednesday, Thursday and 04:31.640 --> 04:37.680 out into the week. And then run a camera and work on the crew here and produce our TV show. Yep. 04:37.680 --> 04:45.800 Which is, gosh, we just passed the 35 shows mark. So we kind of feel like we had a meeting today. 04:45.800 --> 04:50.840 We kind of felt like old professionals. Barbara, when did you come to the North Coast? And how and 04:50.840 --> 05:01.120 why? Tell me a little bit about your story. I came up with a friend of mine for a vacation. And she 05:01.120 --> 05:06.280 said, I have a friend named Beth who lives in Mendocino. Let's go visit her. Okay. So we came 05:06.280 --> 05:12.680 up. That night we're having a drunken party at Beth's place. And she hears a car drive in and she 05:12.680 --> 05:18.440 goes, uh-oh, that's the landlord. I'd better call him. He's going to be staying downstairs. It was 05:18.440 --> 05:23.240 his cabin and she was renting the upstairs. And then he came on weekends and he was downstairs. 05:23.960 --> 05:29.960 And warn him that there was some festivities about it. And why doesn't he come to the party? So she 05:29.960 --> 05:37.560 invites him up. And this was Bill Foote. And the following week. Not at that time of relation. 05:37.560 --> 05:44.120 Not at that time of relation. And the following week, we did this over Memorial Day weekend. 05:44.120 --> 05:49.320 Okay. And we stayed for the week. At the end of the week, he invited us downstairs for Irish 05:49.320 --> 05:54.600 coffees and said, gee, can I see you back in the city? Well, okay, sure. Fine. Maybe. 05:57.960 --> 06:02.440 And what happened was, well, we kept on seeing each other. So that vacation friendship 06:02.440 --> 06:09.400 blossomed. Well, to give you a clue of the timeframe, that was Memorial Day weekend. He 06:09.400 --> 06:18.680 proposed on July 4th weekend. We got married on Labor Day weekend of that year, 1975. And we 06:18.680 --> 06:26.600 continued to come up to Mendocino just on weekends. And for 30 years, he was older than I was. When I 06:26.600 --> 06:34.360 married him, I was 26. He was 52. Exactly twice my age. He retired before I did. And 06:36.920 --> 06:41.960 he stayed up here permanently. But I kept a job down in the city. So you were commuting. So I was 06:41.960 --> 06:48.440 commuting. I got a little bit closer. I had a job finally. Not in San Francisco or South Bay, but 06:48.440 --> 06:57.400 farther up. And could come more often. And unfortunately, five years ago, he passed away at Christmas time. So 06:57.400 --> 07:02.040 that's kind of it. But I always thought that was kind of a romantic thing. What a wonderful romantic story. 07:02.040 --> 07:07.160 What a delight. So it was maybe not love at first sight, but at second or third, it must have been 07:07.160 --> 07:15.240 love blooming for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's a wonderful tale. What were you, how were you, I mean, 07:15.240 --> 07:19.720 you weren't supporting yourself making TV, obviously. So you must have some other incarnation 07:19.720 --> 07:24.760 that we don't exactly know about. What was it? I was a computer programmer. Were you really? In the, 07:24.760 --> 07:29.320 you know, the COBOL stuff with the big mainframes. Oh my gosh. And I worked for places like 07:30.440 --> 07:38.520 AAA, ONC Trucking. You see their trucks. And those big old mainframes. Yeah. Right. And moved on to 07:38.520 --> 07:45.880 Memorex. Yeah. Then Ampex. Oh my gosh. And now Ampex is what I find really interesting. Here I am 07:45.880 --> 07:51.800 doing their general ledger, et cetera, et cetera. And they're the ones who made all this possible. 07:51.800 --> 07:58.600 Like literally, they were the recording studio giant and produced much of the equipment that 07:58.600 --> 08:04.680 we used. And they were the greatest tape manufacturer, I think, in the country. Isn't that intriguing? 08:04.680 --> 08:09.720 Yeah. And at that time. I had no interest in it whatsoever. Right. Right. Yeah. Tell me about, 08:11.720 --> 08:18.040 I'm always in awe of those early kind of machine language, root language programmers. It just 08:18.040 --> 08:24.920 always seemed like such an ungodly esoteric thing to master. Difficult. I mean, really difficult. 08:25.880 --> 08:32.600 I think. Well, COBOL is more English-like. Yeah. In school, I learned a little bit of the assembler, 08:32.600 --> 08:39.400 which is what you're talking about. But mostly I stuck with things that were more, you know, 08:40.600 --> 08:48.360 sentence-like. In that time, unusual for women to, or was that, by that time, were things opening up? 08:48.360 --> 08:55.800 It was just opening up about then. Yeah. And getting more people into it. Sometimes I think 08:55.800 --> 09:01.480 that computer programming was one of the wedges that began to really integrate the 09:01.480 --> 09:08.520 technical workplace. And now it is, in fact, totally integrated. But that was one of the places. 09:08.520 --> 09:13.640 Engineering was not a very friendly world, but programming was a way in, and things began to 09:13.640 --> 09:21.080 change. And what's really interesting is you had to be more language-oriented than math-oriented. 09:21.080 --> 09:26.680 Right. You know, people always used to say, oh, wow, you must be really good at math. I go, yeah, 09:26.680 --> 09:33.080 I can add, I can subtract, I can multiply, and I can divide. It is interesting that it's rather 09:33.080 --> 09:41.000 more like parsing a difficult sentence than it is solving an equation. Right. And you were usually 09:41.000 --> 09:46.120 doing if, then, else to get, you know, if it's this, you want to do that. If it's something else, 09:46.120 --> 09:52.040 you want to do that. It's always charming to me. And even still, although it's buried, I think, 09:52.040 --> 10:00.040 more levels deeper now. But computer programming, computers don't actually do very much themselves 10:00.040 --> 10:04.360 in a certain sense. You know what I mean? Like the way you address a computer is with very 10:04.360 --> 10:10.520 rudimentary instructions. And they do them so fast that they're able to say, do you ever wonder 10:10.520 --> 10:17.000 whether God's a computer programmer? And this is kind of a… That's what I, in my computer days, 10:17.000 --> 10:21.560 that was something I thought about all the time, was, is this all a computer program? And we are 10:21.560 --> 10:27.240 on some big screen. Do you ever think about those kind of things? I don't think it's quite my vision 10:27.240 --> 10:39.080 of God. So you saw Mendocino as a kind of constant regular visitor, which is a different way to see 10:39.080 --> 10:43.320 it than living here full time. Do you think in some ways you were maybe even more aware of the 10:43.320 --> 10:49.320 changes that were going on because you came and went a lot? In some ways, yes. In some ways, no. 10:49.320 --> 10:53.320 Because I never got really involved. It was kind of like… In the community. In the community. 10:53.320 --> 10:58.600 And so therefore, I knew who Bill Zocca was, I knew who, you know, Hilda Pertha was, I knew who 10:58.600 --> 11:05.640 all these people that were surrounding the area, but I may meet them and I may meet them only once. 11:05.640 --> 11:12.040 Exactly. And I didn't really know them. Sure. Yeah. And I didn't really know the culture. 11:12.680 --> 11:18.040 At the surface, could you see the changes in the phases and stages that they went through? 11:18.040 --> 11:22.360 How would you describe what you saw happen over a period of 30 years? 11:23.720 --> 11:31.080 Wow, that's hard to say. Because I don't think I ever saw it as a continuous thing. 11:31.080 --> 11:35.560 Right. You know, once you look back on it, you can say, oh, I see that there was an era here of this, 11:35.560 --> 11:42.360 and you know, oh, remember back when we did that, but going through it? Not at all. 11:42.360 --> 11:51.880 I think if you came and went, you probably came to a certain specific house and a place and related 11:51.880 --> 11:56.120 to that, and that didn't change. That's right. That was probably the great stability in a sense. 11:56.120 --> 12:01.480 And I joined the Mendocino Presbyterian Church because I was going to be here every other week, 12:01.480 --> 12:09.320 or at least. So I might as well, if I was going to join a church, why I could be here as often 12:09.320 --> 12:14.680 as possible. And it's a magnificent church, isn't it? I mean, it's physically magnificent, 12:14.680 --> 12:21.240 and it also has been a sustaining spiritual community here for decades and decades and decades. 12:21.800 --> 12:26.280 And what I love about it now, before I couldn't sing in the choir because they had choir practice 12:26.280 --> 12:31.560 on Thursday, and I wasn't here on Thursday, and so on and so forth. You know, there's a lot of stuff 12:31.560 --> 12:36.120 that I just couldn't do. I had to give it up. You were kind of more a spectator than a full-on 12:36.120 --> 12:43.080 participant. And now, are you fully engaged? Oh, yeah. Now I'm in the choir and I'm a docent 12:43.080 --> 12:51.240 over the summer. I just came from putting their sermon on the web. I'm kind of into that thing. 12:51.240 --> 12:58.440 So you're all engaged. Choir, singing in that choir, that's a little bit different than you go, 12:58.440 --> 13:03.400 well, I sing in my church's choir. That's a serious choir, isn't it? Well, I mean, not serious, 13:03.400 --> 13:09.480 like, but it's a pretty high-class musical ensemble, I think, don't you? I think it's 13:09.480 --> 13:14.280 wonderful. A lot of people kind of turn up their noses at it. Oh, well, you know, whatever. It's 13:14.280 --> 13:22.440 a church choir. It's just a church choir. But wow, you know, they will tackle anything. They will 13:22.440 --> 13:26.600 just tackle anything. You hand them a piece of music and they will just read through it. They 13:26.600 --> 13:34.280 won't do it well. We won't do it well. Why am I saying they? But when we really get it done, 13:34.280 --> 13:39.960 and gradually master it and get there. Have you, has music always been a part of your life, 13:39.960 --> 13:48.360 or is this a new thing? No, pretty much. In fact, one of, I used to teach guitar, because nobody 13:48.360 --> 13:52.280 else was around to play with me, so I wanted to teach all my friends how to play so we could all 13:52.280 --> 13:57.480 play together. I wound up teaching for Yamaha for a while. Oh my gosh, are you a pretty good, 13:57.480 --> 14:03.000 you must be a pretty good guitar player. Well, folk guitar, you know. I haven't touched it for 14:03.000 --> 14:07.320 so many years now. You're kidding, you stopped. I just kind of didn't do it while I was married, 14:07.320 --> 14:14.200 and then I haven't picked it up again. But I have sung in choirs, lots of choirs, and I was in a 14:14.200 --> 14:23.000 choir in, down the peninsula, Foothill College, for many, many years. And they did all kinds of 14:23.000 --> 14:26.440 things. That's a pretty intense choir too. I lived down there for a while, and I know that 14:26.440 --> 14:31.640 ensemble for sure, they're really something. Yeah, and I sang with their chamber singers, 14:31.640 --> 14:36.360 and with their renaissance group, and we toured around the wine country. So you're a long time 14:36.360 --> 14:42.760 pretty serious singer. Kind of. And yet I haven't gotten into really a lot up here, 14:42.760 --> 14:48.680 outside of the Gloriana, well the Gloriana Carolers. We came here to the studio. Oh, 14:48.680 --> 14:54.600 did you? And performed here, and recorded? No, no, no. Just performed? No, this was when they 14:54.600 --> 15:03.320 had just moved in here, and we came at Christmas time and did a set for the folks here. Yeah. 15:03.320 --> 15:14.520 Yeah. So you're doing TV, you're singing, are there secrets that we want to know? What else 15:14.520 --> 15:20.360 is important in your life? Or what else has been important that you've left behind, and how did 15:20.360 --> 15:28.200 that turn out? That's kind of an interesting question. I've always been interested in my 15:28.200 --> 15:34.920 alternate resume. You know, the one that you, you don't go out and make a living with. Exactly. 15:34.920 --> 15:39.480 And it kind of- Which maybe is where all the, or a lot of the real riches, not the money riches, 15:39.480 --> 15:45.160 but the real riches are. So what's on your alternate resume? Well, one of the things, 15:45.160 --> 15:51.880 I danced on the stage of the old Fox Theater in San Francisco. Is you really? I was about six or 15:51.880 --> 15:58.280 seven years old, and they had some kind of a tap, I was taking tap dancing, and they had a show, 15:58.280 --> 16:02.600 and that was where we did our thing. That's amazing. And so that was real history. Yeah. 16:03.960 --> 16:10.760 Did your dance career unfold? No, I used to stare at my feet while I was, you know, 16:10.760 --> 16:18.520 doing the tap dancing. It was never, I never looked up. Yeah, gotcha. What else? Oh, the teaching at 16:18.520 --> 16:23.560 Yamaha. I found that to be, you know, kind of interesting. When you say teaching at Yamaha, 16:23.560 --> 16:31.480 meaning- Yamaha does musical instruments, including guitars. And I had a guitar teacher 16:31.480 --> 16:39.640 who needed a teacher to fill out for, I was like a substitute for someone else. And they had a 16:39.640 --> 16:47.080 course. You followed the course, and you taught beginning guitar to people. Yeah. So that was fun. 16:47.080 --> 16:53.080 I also sang on stage with Rosemary Clooney. No, how did that happen? That was because of the 16:53.080 --> 16:58.440 Foothill College. Right, right. And we were the choir that backed her up, basically. Wow. So that 16:58.440 --> 17:03.400 was fun. That's neat. Yeah. Where do you live now? I mean, what part of the, where do you live on the 17:03.400 --> 17:09.000 coast here? In Mendocino, up Little Lake Road. Oh yeah, up in the woods? Up in the woods. Yay. 17:09.000 --> 17:13.000 That's gotta be one of the most beautiful places in the world, isn't it? Yeah. Isn't that something? 17:13.000 --> 17:19.000 Yeah. I just always thought that having a little house in the woods above Mendocino was just about 17:19.000 --> 17:25.080 as charming as it could possibly get. I love it when it's spring and you have the rhododendron, 17:25.720 --> 17:32.280 because they grow up to the height of the deck. Right. You know, and you can just sit out there 17:32.280 --> 17:35.800 on your deck- Just that flood of glorious color. And you're kind of surrounded by it, you know. 17:35.800 --> 17:46.840 Yeah. Tell me about, what has the process of aging been like for you? And what changes are 17:46.840 --> 17:53.800 you experiencing? Have you experienced, do you relate more to people who are older now than you 17:53.800 --> 18:00.280 did before? You know, I'm not sure I do. Yeah. Because when I was like three and four and five 18:00.280 --> 18:06.520 years old, my grandmother was raising me basically. I mean, my mother was a single mom and she had to 18:07.160 --> 18:11.880 go to work. And so I was with my grandmother a lot and she took me to the ladies' aid meetings at 18:11.880 --> 18:17.880 the church. And they were all grandmother types. And so I was a grandmother at five years old. 18:17.880 --> 18:22.600 They've always been platinum blondes in your- Platinum blondes, yes. Of course. 18:24.120 --> 18:29.880 I like that you told me about that. I feel much better being a platinum blond now than a gray hair 18:29.880 --> 18:40.120 old guy. Has church, it comes up, has that been one of the anchors of your life? Yes. 18:41.720 --> 18:51.240 Started out Lutheran when my grandmother was not there. My mother kind of, she couldn't get to 18:52.040 --> 18:57.320 a church that was far away, which was kind of where the Lutheran church was that we'd been going to. 18:57.320 --> 19:02.360 So we went to whatever was close. So I've been to Methodist and Presbyterian and Episcopal and 19:02.360 --> 19:09.880 who knows what else, you know, the whole gamut. And then I kind of went back into the Lutheran 19:09.880 --> 19:13.880 church, became confirmed there. And that was like my home church for many, many years. 19:15.000 --> 19:22.680 Got married, moved down the peninsula, wound up in a Presbyterian church down there that by chance 19:22.680 --> 19:29.320 happened to be one that came up here to this one in Mendocino and helped them build the Christian 19:29.320 --> 19:37.000 camp out in the woods somewhere. I never knew what they were quite doing. But that, yeah. 19:37.000 --> 19:45.080 Yeah. I haven't had a chance to explore this territory very much and if it's okay, 19:45.080 --> 19:52.280 I want to explore it a little bit. Do you think, do you see, for instance, at the Presbyterian 19:52.280 --> 19:58.600 church here locally, are as many younger families, do you still see this being vital in the, in the 19:58.600 --> 20:04.280 younger families? Do you think there's a change happening? Well, it's become an aging population 20:04.280 --> 20:08.760 at the church. The whole community, yeah. Of course is aging. And what's happened really is that, 20:08.760 --> 20:14.920 you know, most of the younger people grow up and have to make a living and they go out of the area. 20:14.920 --> 20:21.080 Yeah. And that's happened in other churches I've been in as well. So right now, no, we're not 20:21.080 --> 20:27.480 getting a whole lot of younger people in. Yeah. I read a fascinating thing just a couple nights 20:27.480 --> 20:34.600 ago. There was one of the top, the lead news stories underneath the big news was that I think 20:34.600 --> 20:39.720 the Pew Foundation, which does wonderful social science research, they did a bunch of research 20:39.720 --> 20:45.800 and they did a questionnaire that had a whole lot of questions about just basic religious knowledge 20:45.800 --> 20:52.600 of both Christianity and other traditions and so on. And what they found was that people who said 20:52.600 --> 20:58.920 they were either atheistic or agnostic scored way higher in their religious knowledge than people 20:58.920 --> 21:04.440 who said they were definitely connected with the church. And I was floored by that. I just went, 21:05.160 --> 21:11.320 that's a puzzle. Now you're someone who has been connected with, with organized churches and 21:11.320 --> 21:16.920 churches. What do you think about that? Isn't that a bizarre? I saw the beginning of that article. I 21:16.920 --> 21:20.680 didn't read it all the way through. I had to put it down before I finished it. I'm going to go home 21:20.680 --> 21:27.960 and finish it. What do you make of that? Yeah, I found that surprising and very strange. Definitely 21:27.960 --> 21:34.280 strange. Yeah. Somebody I think, I shared that with somebody and they kind of laughed and they 21:34.280 --> 21:39.240 said, well, maybe that's why they're agnostic and atheistic. And I thought, I don't think so. I think 21:39.240 --> 21:44.680 there's a deeper thing going on than that. Well, I think I'd gotten to the part where it kind of 21:44.680 --> 21:52.040 said that the Catholics didn't know certain things that were outside their own, that were within their 21:52.040 --> 21:57.880 own. And then the Jewish community didn't know, you know, people didn't know things that were within 21:57.880 --> 22:03.240 their own. They knew more, they had more outside. I don't know if they knew it had more outside, 22:03.240 --> 22:07.960 but they just didn't know the stuff. I think you're too close to it. That could be. You take it just 22:07.960 --> 22:12.280 as, oh, well, that's the way it is. Right. Why would I have to even think about it? And you don't need to, 22:12.280 --> 22:20.600 you really don't need to be analytical about it or in that sense. Do you think as you get older, 22:20.600 --> 22:27.960 does your religion become more important to you? And does it give you a perspective on growing 22:27.960 --> 22:33.800 older, do you think? That's interesting because it's always just been with me. And it's always 22:33.800 --> 22:39.480 been there. And it's like, I don't even question it. Right. And so it's like, it's kind of like 22:39.480 --> 22:46.280 breathing. Yeah, you don't think about breathing. Yeah. Is it okay if we explore this a little bit? 22:46.280 --> 22:50.760 Yeah, sure. This is such a fascinating territory. Most people don't talk very much to me about this, 22:50.760 --> 22:58.840 and I love talking about it. As you grew up inside your church, did you learn to 22:58.840 --> 23:07.080 pray as a natural approach to life and to be guided by a set of principles? Is it working and alive 23:07.080 --> 23:12.600 in your life, I guess, is really the question I'm asking. Yeah. And it's interesting. I don't do, 23:12.600 --> 23:17.960 I know that a lot of people, I set forth, you know, this much time for prayer and meditation. 23:17.960 --> 23:21.960 Right. At this time of the day, blah, blah, blah. In a very formal way. In a very formal way. And 23:21.960 --> 23:27.240 not with me. I just, it comes and it goes. And I'll see someone who is really looks like they're 23:27.240 --> 23:32.760 in pain. And I don't know this person. Right. And I'll just say, Oh, Lord, take care of them. Do 23:32.760 --> 23:39.000 something for them. So it's an automatic gesture. Yeah. Right. Right. But yeah, it's not, it's not 23:39.000 --> 23:46.280 quite that formal. Do you think prayer helps healing? Amen. It does. Yeah. Okay. Amen. I 23:46.280 --> 23:51.000 kind of think that too. It's interesting to me that I have that same, I have that spontaneous 23:51.000 --> 23:56.360 desire to just say a little prayer or if I know somebody's not feeling well or going into surgery 23:56.360 --> 24:00.520 or something like that, I always go, I'll say a prayer for you. And I do. I remember to actually 24:00.520 --> 24:08.840 say a prayer. I don't know why or how, but it seems like it's a good thing to do. It seems like 24:08.840 --> 24:13.880 it's a proper, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't have any big, deep belief that 24:13.880 --> 24:18.600 it works like this, but it just seems like a proper thing to do when somebody's having a hard time 24:18.600 --> 24:24.520 to say a prayer for them. It's an interesting thing. Yeah. We have a formal thing during the 24:24.520 --> 24:30.520 service, you know, where are there any people who, you know, who need prayer or concerns or whatever, 24:30.520 --> 24:35.320 you know, and whatnot. And people will stand up and ask for prayers. And then, you know, three, 24:35.320 --> 24:40.440 five, 10 weeks later, they'll stand up and say, wow, am I glad you were all praying for my brother 24:40.440 --> 24:46.120 because, you know, he's doing great. He's, you know, turned around and so on and so forth. And 24:46.120 --> 24:51.160 there are times when I go, yes, because I was really thinking of this person. And there are 24:51.160 --> 24:56.760 times when I'm going, oh, I forgot all about that person. I'm sure glad someone else was there. 24:56.760 --> 25:03.400 Someone else picked up the action when it was needed. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a different, 25:03.400 --> 25:09.400 here's a different question for you. Do you have any big undone's in your life that you still want 25:09.400 --> 25:19.000 to go, you know, before I finish up, I want to, any of those, any dreams that you still kind of 25:19.000 --> 25:26.040 nourish and hold? Traveling, except I don't have a specific place that I absolutely have to go and 25:26.040 --> 25:33.240 see now. But there are a lot of places in the United States I've never been. I grew up, my 25:33.240 --> 25:38.200 mother did not have a car. We lived in San Francisco. You got around on the Muni bus service and that was 25:38.200 --> 25:42.920 it for 26 years. Exactly. You know, and then I, all of a sudden, oh my goodness, I think I'm going to 25:42.920 --> 25:48.840 need a car here, you know. And so I kind of felt like I got jipped out of going, all my friends, 25:48.840 --> 25:52.360 you know, they had cars and they'd go down to Monterey or they'd go up to Mendocino. At least 25:52.360 --> 25:56.360 travel a little ways. At least a little ways, you know, and I just never got any of it. So. That's 25:56.360 --> 25:59.880 interesting. I've been, I've been. You were a real city person. Yeah. So I've been really 26:00.760 --> 26:07.080 going out there. And so do you travel now? So yeah, I just got back from Clear Lake and earlier this 26:07.080 --> 26:13.160 year I went up to Birch Bay, Washington, which is way up near the Canadian border. In fact, 26:13.160 --> 26:19.000 the friend and I, who I went with, we went over into Canada to Vancouver. So. Are you an outdoors 26:19.000 --> 26:27.800 person? Not really. Yeah. No, not really. I like, no, I like walking and that's, but not real hiking. 26:27.800 --> 26:35.640 Yeah. And I've never done much camping. So. Do you, I like what you say about the traveling around 26:35.640 --> 26:41.720 the United States. I'm, I'm in the same boat. I, you know, I, I live in the United States, but the 26:41.720 --> 26:49.000 truth is I don't live in 49 of the other states. Right. Hardly at all. What, what would be your, 26:49.000 --> 26:54.840 your two or three top trips? If you could make dream trips to places or around parts of the United 26:54.840 --> 27:01.720 States, where would you go? Well, I'd go back to Boston in a cold minute. I really liked Boston. 27:02.280 --> 27:09.160 And the next time I go say to England or France or wherever, I'm going to make sure that the 27:09.160 --> 27:15.960 airplane stops in Boston. I can get off and spend a few days and then go on. Yeah. Yeah. So Boston 27:15.960 --> 27:22.200 was magical. Magic, Boston was magical. I'm not sure I have any place that I specifically, you know, 27:22.200 --> 27:28.280 I've always wanted to go to that I haven't been there yet. I always think that it would be fun 27:28.280 --> 27:34.120 to visit, to, to travel through the South, which is of all the places in the United States, I think 27:34.120 --> 27:44.200 just because of our, our history, the South is mysterious and exotic and, and strange and maybe 27:44.200 --> 27:48.200 a little scary. Do you have that? Do you, you know, those of us who have grown up on the West coast 27:48.200 --> 27:52.520 and as northerners, do you have those feelings? Yeah. Would you like to go check it out? I would 27:52.520 --> 27:56.520 like to go. Yeah. And I'd like, if I was going to start, I would like to start with New Orleans. 27:56.520 --> 28:01.640 Oh, that's the one place in the South I have been. And before, you know, before the hurricane, 28:01.640 --> 28:07.480 that would be grand. It was a, we had a glorious few days in, in New Orleans. It was really wonderful. 28:08.840 --> 28:15.320 Snakes and swamps. When I was a kid, I grew up with snakes and swamps in my mind. And, and always, 28:15.320 --> 28:20.040 I always wanted to go and see real swamps and real snakes and alligators and all that kind of stuff. 28:20.040 --> 28:29.080 And I got to, and it was really something. Yeah. So you have secrets like that, snakes and swamps up 28:29.080 --> 28:35.080 on your list or anything like that? Definitely not snakes. You don't want to go around and talk to snakes and stuff. 28:35.080 --> 28:43.720 Not really. Yeah. What, what do you see in, in your next five years here in this community? And what do you think 28:43.720 --> 28:50.440 is going to happen to us here? What's going to change? You know, we're, we're coming out the other end of 28:51.080 --> 28:56.920 timber and fish and all of that kind of stuff, which I believe will come back at some, at some stage. 28:56.920 --> 29:05.080 But in the meantime, something else going to happen? Yeah. Well, obviously we're aging. Yeah. So something 29:05.080 --> 29:09.560 As a community we are, aren't we? As a community. And so somewhere along the route, I think they're going to 29:10.200 --> 29:16.520 address more, you know, senior, you expect to see a senior housing community or something. Yeah. 29:16.520 --> 29:23.080 Sort of out on the old mill site. That's like a natural, doesn't it? It does. Yeah. Yeah, it does. I agree. Yeah. 29:23.080 --> 29:29.080 And I wonder if something will happen that will make jobs for our children again. Wouldn't that be wonderful? 29:29.080 --> 29:35.080 Oh, that would be lovely. I think that's the hardest thing here. Well, you know, with the internet stuff, they really 29:35.080 --> 29:41.080 ought to be able to make a living, you know, doing internet type programming and internet type stuff. 29:41.080 --> 29:47.080 And somehow there's a lot of it out there, but there doesn't ever seem to be any, it's all individual. 29:47.080 --> 29:54.040 Yeah. You know, nobody's really gotten it organized somehow. Yeah. Well, Barbara, we're just about out of time. 29:54.040 --> 30:01.080 So we're going to have to kind of wrap it up. Thank you so much for climbing out from behind your camera 30:01.080 --> 30:07.080 and crawling over here on this side. And that's it for tonight. Let's just say good night to 30:07.080 --> 30:17.080 all of our friends out there in the North Coast and thanks for joining Senior Perspectives once again. Good night all. 30:37.080 --> 30:47.080 Thank you.