0 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,474 In 1993 I got a notification that said that I am losing 1 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:15,916 my job because of unresolved status in Slovenia. 2 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:30,436 In 1991 I was literally erased. 3 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,155 And then... 4 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,754 Hard times followed. It was really hard to survive 5 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:55,152 and I had to hide from the police for 7-8 years. 6 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,474 In 1994 something unexpected happened 7 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,878 from the police's and government's side. 8 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,669 The police wanted to see my papers 9 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,280 and they took me to court. 10 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,639 There I had to give a statement, 11 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,556 which they didn't see as valid 12 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,078 and they exiled me from Slovenia. 13 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,353 We organized ourselves on February 26, 14 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,672 exactly ten years from secret erasure 15 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:45,754 of 18,305 people from the register of citizens. 16 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,598 A civil death happened for those 18,305 people, 17 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,753 the number admitted by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. 18 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,360 This civil death lasted for 2, 3, 5, 19 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,991 and even 10 years. For some it continues. 20 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,075 Every night ants built an anthill. But then an elephant 21 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,835 came in the morning and cold-bloodedly stepped on it. 22 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,917 Then the ants counted themselves, 23 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,270 saw how many of them there were and concluded: 24 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,318 Because we are millions strong we can beat the elephant. 25 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,718 They made a plan and attacked the elephant. 26 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,758 They sharpened their weapons, emboldened themselves 27 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,590 and attacked. Among them there was also an ant called Victor. 28 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:23,515 There was a mess where nothing could be made out. 29 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,389 Suddenly Victor was alone on the elephant. He looked left 30 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,353 and right and saw his comrades screaming below: 31 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,154 Victor, bite him. Victor, bite him. 32 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,791 That's the end of story. 33 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,990 Red soup. Soup. 34 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:47,150 I didn't come here to take anybody's job. 35 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,194 I'm not an economical emigrant; I came for different reasons, 36 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,035 because my wife wanted to live here with her mother. 37 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,996 I first came to Slovenia as an archeology student, 38 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,635 for some excavation. Back then me and my wife both studied 39 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,715 in Belgrade and after 7-8 years of life together in Belgrade 40 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,872 we decided to live here. 41 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,913 The gypsies came, we want to give them something. 42 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,199 Give them something from that packet there. This one. 43 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,478 You will buy another one, right? 44 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,558 Here, for St. Nicolas day. - Thank you. 45 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:42,277 Don't film, that's not important. 46 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:48,034 That's my godfather from lerapetra on the Crete: 47 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:55,473 Nikolaus Kornarus. And this is father Hrizostmos, 48 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,355 which means one with golden mouth. 49 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:05,516 And that's me, a new sheep in Christian Orthodox flock. 50 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:09,992 That's my Olga and some other person from Serbia, 51 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,279 who was then, 20 years ago, on Crete with us. 52 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,749 This man wanted to baptize me. I haven't been baptized before. 53 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,555 My father was a communist. 54 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,917 This man wanted to marry Olga and me, and I told him 55 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,391 that's impossible because I haven't been baptized. 56 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:39,550 He said he would baptize me and so it happened 57 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:46,273 in a church in lerapetra on Crete. 58 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,358 Augustus Marcus Aurelius Caracala in the year 212 59 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:58,072 in Rome gave citizenship to every resident of Rome. 60 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:07,076 Many years later Mr. Bavcar erases all foreigners 61 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,075 from the register and makes them ex-lege people, 62 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,229 as is written in this document. Civilization acted 63 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:24,039 back than vice versa; you live here, you are ours! 64 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,998 Instead Bavcar shoots a burst of gunfire: 18.000 people. 65 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:40,315 I am Mrs. Kovac, born on 14. 02. 1958 in Bosnia and Herzegovina. 66 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:46,948 I came to Slovenia in 1976. 67 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:54,151 I married a Slovene. I have two children, who are grown up now, 68 00:08:54,400 --> 00:09:00,396 a daughter 27 and a son 22. I am erased. 69 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,792 My son went to Italy. I hugged him, 70 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:11,276 I accompanied him to his car, kissed him and he left. 71 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,038 When he heard he has to ask for a citizenship he came back 72 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,750 and filed a request. A lady at the municipality office 73 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,879 questioned him, the same one that took my papers 74 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,756 and tore them and threw them in the trash. 75 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,669 Because he was born here he came for his citizenship documents 76 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,111 and she said he couldn't get them because he was born 77 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,035 in Montenegro and he should ask there. 78 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,314 He said the information was wrong, that he was born 79 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,869 on Solar 36, and yes, and no. Then he came to me and told me 80 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,070 what happened. We went down there and argued with her. 81 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,630 It wasn't fair, because the child lived here. 82 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,159 I can't understand how this is possible. 83 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,470 There is no record in a book of births. 84 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,595 She asked him where he works and he said in Italy. She said: 85 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,549 Then the Italians will give you a citizenship. Go there. 86 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:23,838 Mr. Marjan Kompara, a chief of the Sector for Foreigners 87 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:34,076 and of the Office for Passports and IDs, tore up my passport. 88 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:41,158 He took scissors and tore it like this. He cut it in halves 89 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,473 and said: Here's, your passport. So I asked him: 90 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,271 Sir, what have you done with my passport? How will I travel now? 91 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,071 Well, he said put wings on or take a plane or a helicopter 92 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,153 and go back to were you came from! 93 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,229 You don't exist anymore... 94 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,594 I don't want to sound like an academic, but for me this 95 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,909 is a civil death. They say you've been transferred 96 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,670 to another registry, but for me, this is a registry of nothing, 97 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,111 below the zero, a minus. You don't exist anymore 98 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:27,954 and you are illegal. You aren't a member of your family anymore. 99 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:36,072 It wasn't a bureaucratic mistake. Some computer didn't break. 100 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:43,431 Someone intentionally didn't write it down. 101 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:46,478 Here are even more documents. After I tried to tell the lawyers 102 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:50,468 that I am a father, and prove it with the documents, they said: 103 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,156 You can't be the father! They write it down with calm 104 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,278 that you can't be the father! Fatherhood must be confirmed 105 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,597 by another country. You don't live in this country, 106 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,076 because they stole it all from you. 107 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,080 My spermatozoa don't do it here. 108 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,876 Was my baby made by St. Peter? That's what first occurred to me. 109 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,237 Really. Did St. Peter make my child? Next time I make a baby 110 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,116 I'll shoot a porno movie as a proof. I can't do much more. 111 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:03,635 We don't belong to the gypsies from Dolenjska nor to those 112 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:10,757 from Murska, who are simply people that live like parasites. 113 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,238 We are working people. We are creative people. 114 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,950 We are people who want to have the status of any other person, 115 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,277 because we deserve it. That's important. 116 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:26,189 They stole permanent residency from me. 117 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,071 They erased me from the register and now I have no status here. 118 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,996 I didn't even know it. When I went to municipality, 119 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,916 no one even told me that I was erased. It didn't occur to me. 120 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,551 What would that mean? I just knew that something wasn't right 121 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,634 since a woman who worked there also said that someone will be 122 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,710 responsible for this someday. You can't tell me I don't exist 123 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,669 anymore as I am here. I have a family here. 124 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,190 I was 16 years old when I first came here. 125 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,995 My first document and my whole life, 126 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,919 everything has happened here. 127 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,439 I met Marko Perak, who was looking for a way out, like me. 128 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:20,710 Then I reported it to NGOs I also informed Helsinki monitor. 129 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,669 A president of HM sent Marko Perak to meet me 130 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,156 as I was on a hunger strike. On the first day of my strike 131 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,951 only Marko Perak and a consul of Yugoslavia, Usurevic came. 132 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:44,909 Marko Perak was getting me pencils and papers 133 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,875 for the next couple of days as I had to write messages. 134 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,039 I think he understood what was going on. He then slept at HM 135 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,636 and tried to do something with their help. 136 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,469 Then we simply formed an association. We found 10 people, 137 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,316 only 5-6 of them were erased, because they were scared. 138 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:10,998 The energy of these 5-6 people lasted for a while and then 139 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,910 we made an association, which they, didn't want to legalize. 140 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,839 Look, the sun came to our Haloze. 141 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,113 Not only then, also today, we really need anyone 142 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,393 who is willing to work with us. He has some principles of his own 143 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,519 and as I know he is not a member. - If he wants to work with us 144 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,672 he should become a member. - Not necessarily. 145 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,192 He can work from outside. - His business. - Let's move forward. 146 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,113 That's what we discussed last time. - Let's move forward. 147 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,473 Even after 2 years of fighting people are too frightened 148 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:37,159 to write their names on the envelope. No address... 149 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,991 Fear! They are still frightened to fight for what was taken away 150 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,279 from us, to give back what was stolen away from us. Enough! 151 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,799 The members are afraid to sign a statement. 152 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,191 They are frightened to be seen in front of the cameras. 153 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,632 They are afraid to speak out in public unless the picture 154 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,839 is blurred and the sound is changed. They are afraid 155 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,200 to show their houses and families, which is understandable. 156 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:18,710 They are afraid to put any money on the Association's account, 157 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:27,112 because the name stays registered. In general they are afraid 158 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,871 of any record connected to the Association... 159 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,636 Of course some are also ashamed that they are erased, 160 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,873 especially intellectuals. They are not members at all. 161 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:46,998 In Slovenia there is an atmosphere where they are ashamed 162 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:54,754 to be part of such an amorphous group of uneducated, uncultured. 163 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:02,077 A policeman from the police station Moste took my passport. 164 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,632 He brought me to the station and he had me in procedures 165 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:13,996 until 4 or 5pm, that is he has me locked in there, to wait. 166 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,194 In the end they brought me to Temporary Center for Foreigners, 167 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,560 on Celovska street, the asylum, and they said I will spend 168 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:30,113 the night in there and the next morning they will exile me 169 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:36,549 from Slovenia. So I asked why. If I wasn't on trial 170 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:45,595 how can the police decide by themselves to force me 171 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:52,359 out of the country if I wasn't even before the court. 172 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,231 I spend that night with the illegal immigrants, 173 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:04,918 Bangladeshis, Chinese, all kinds of people. More than 50. 174 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:13,035 The next day I called the Ministry of Internal Affairs 175 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,989 and asked them what was happening to me. 176 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:24,314 Children were born here and they didn't get citizenship 177 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:31,716 because they were erased in 1992. And that year they 178 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,671 were exiled from Slovenia so they had to go somewhere. 179 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,038 So they went to Germany and they stayed there. 180 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,838 They couldn't get in or out. 181 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,635 I should have gotten a citizenship instead of a visa. 182 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,351 The visa doesn't belong to me, but citizenship does. 183 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,070 I am 81 years old. 184 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:05,356 They did it illegally. I am 81 yrs old and I need 185 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:11,277 a hand when I walk because I don't see. I don't see at all. 186 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,640 I was in a hospital for 18 days. They said they cannot erase me 187 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,075 because I'm blind. 188 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:24,559 I can't go anywhere. My brother's daughter died 189 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,588 in Germany and I couldn't go to the funeral because 190 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:35,479 I didn't have any documents. Isn't it sad, comrades? 191 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,795 Look here. A permanent resident's visa without number. 192 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,392 I am not registered. Nowhere. 193 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,198 Every cop can deport me. 194 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,869 They say that's the law, which naturally is not true. 195 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,559 Hit the poor guy. Ha, ha... 196 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,795 Fascists, fascist... 197 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,872 They just moved us out, carefully, on paper. 198 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,915 Who can stand it can stand it. Some really left 199 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,789 but the majority stayed. How could we go for god's sake? 200 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,634 Here you built your house. Here are your wife and children. 201 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,396 Look how stupid they are. They thought we would all just go. 202 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,758 We would leave health insurance, our apartments, our cars also, 203 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,272 because they destroyed our driving licenses. 204 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,869 You know how it goes. And then we were supposed to leave. 205 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,588 How could you just go like that? We acted the other way around. 206 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,360 We stuck to our families, to our children, like ticks. 207 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,232 Here is only a part of unlucky people, a part of aggressors. 208 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,313 Here are the aggressors. 209 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,354 Enemies of the state. - Yes, they are without papers for 12 years. 210 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:22,678 They took their jobs, flats, whole properties, freedom, 211 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,272 they took it all, pensions, social security, 212 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,670 they took it all away from them. 213 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,996 They want to take my house by force. They want me to pay 214 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:37,075 11.000 SIT a month, despite not even a dog could survive here. 215 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,871 Todorović slept over with me for 3 nights. 216 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:49,071 It is falling apart, ruins. Over there I prepared storage 217 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:59,115 for winter, here I used to keep cheese and Kajmak. 218 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:10,473 I asked the court to let me buy it. I am not leaving it alive. 219 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,359 I made 100 phone calls to invite people to help us. 220 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,310 We will have to be beside this man, all the time, 221 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,519 I don't know how long will he go on. - Why is he on strike? 222 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,920 He has three sons. He can't go out and they can't go in. 223 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,834 That's R. - It's turned upside down. 224 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,716 We will read the letter I wrote today in a café in a hurry 225 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,276 because we try to solve all the problems in a single day. 226 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,593 And that's it. In the letter we are calling for responsibility 227 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,192 and threatening a lawsuit. Really we're just calling on 228 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,434 the mayor to be humane and principled 229 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:45,630 but we are threatening to sue the director of the municipality 230 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,559 and I think we will sue him. - Why are you doing it? 231 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,196 Because this man is on the eighth day of a hunger strike. 232 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,159 Only yesterday we managed to convince him to start eating. 233 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,039 Why is he on strike? - He is erased. 234 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,633 His family is broken and he is not equal to others. 235 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,275 Let's go to the municipality. The media has been informed 236 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,149 to meet us there. Nobody will wait for us. We will read 237 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:18,788 the letter outside. Of course, you'd rather go for a coffee 238 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,159 instead of seeing whether they are waiting for us. 239 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,154 If they will wait at all. - They will, they have to. 240 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:47,993 Respected Mr. Mayor, 22 people of the Board for the Protection 241 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:54,190 of Drago Debetic, who is on a hunger strike, together with 242 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,071 a local board of erased residents of the Coastal Region has come to 243 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,552 some positive movements in the last 8 days. We think 244 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,952 we have managed to convince him. Drago Debetic is only one 245 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,109 of several hundred erased in your region. The Debetic family 246 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,758 is deliberately and permanently broken because of illegal actions 247 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,197 by Municipality of Koper. We ask you to consider the problem 248 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,951 seriously, legally and humanely, not politically. Tensions 249 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,228 are getting bigger and problems can start anywhere and anytime. 250 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,190 We know for many tragedies, including the loss 251 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:46,713 of health insurance, paid for for 30 years, denial of pensions, 252 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,239 deliberate destruction of documents, dislocations, 253 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:59,472 taking away parental rights, deportations from people's homes. 254 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:07,071 We hope you are strong enough to at least in Drago Debetic's case 255 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,997 to ask of the Municipality of Koper 256 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:21,796 to respect the constitutional order. Board for the Protection 257 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,876 of Drago Debetic. Thank you. 258 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:34,349 I don't agree. I did my job. I take all the comments, though. 259 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,914 People are maximally informed. People don't see the path 260 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,551 ahead of them, so they wait. But that's their right. 261 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,031 I am satisfied. 262 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,760 I do my job. If people don't need it what can I do? 263 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:02,071 Is that true? - Let's go for a drink. 264 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,314 They summon Mujo to court and tell him: For your offense 265 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,189 we sentence you to two years in jail. What can you say 266 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,551 in your defense? Mujo says: Go fuck yourselves! 267 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:23,235 The Judges go crazy and have another meeting. 268 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,996 Then they come back and say: Mujo, because you said that 269 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,559 to the court you will get 3 more years. What do you say now? 270 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,952 Mujo again says: Go fuck yourselves! 271 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,795 This repeats for six times and they get to 50 years of jail. 272 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,511 For the last time, judges have a meeting and tell Mujo: 273 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:54,553 Mujo, the court forgives you but go fuck yourself! 274 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,917 I went on a hunger strike in front of the Zoo. 275 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,429 That was crazy. Why in front of the Zoo? 276 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,111 It was about starting with amoeba 277 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,313 and showing that I am still alive. 278 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:30,188 That somehow through a monkey I come to a human. 279 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:39,508 A cop started to tease me with bad words. Calling me a Jew. 280 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:45,352 What kind of rights do I want? Go back where I came from. 281 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,030 I said: Mr. Policeman, you are talking inappropriately 282 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:58,391 for a policeman. Behave yourself, please. 283 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,433 I am not obliged to respect you, go back, he said. So I said: 284 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,996 Sir you should just put me against the wall, like Hitler, 285 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,997 or send me to a gas chamber. Why are you rejecting me? 286 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,471 I have a house in Ljubljana, you don't have any right. 287 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,113 Do you know about the opinion survey in Germany in 1956? 288 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,638 They showed movies from Auschwitz and they said no. 289 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,316 They themselves are responsible. That's it. 290 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,828 Who? We were erasing people? Of course not. 291 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,916 Here my land starts. Here I planted 400 apple trees. 292 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,276 It is all mine here on the left and right from here. 293 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,314 I have a forest with one tree. Now there are two already. 294 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,196 Another tree has grown. Across the river is also all mine. 295 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,159 I have a forest with one tree. 296 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,752 My wife would like to sell and I don't, 297 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,956 even though it's falling apart. 298 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,191 All you can see on left and right is mine. I built this. 299 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,715 My house burnt down and forest is growing around. 300 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,790 Look the tree has grown out of my house. 301 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,955 When did it burn down, 1997? Yes in 1997 he burnt it. 302 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,274 A neighbour? - Yes, a neighbour. He is an alcoholic 303 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,999 and besides I was a zero then. Naturally. 304 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,717 And he was a citizen and I wasn't. 305 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,315 They never proved it was him, because there are no witnesses. 306 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,148 That's how it ended. I know the whole story how they did it. 307 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,030 They enjoyed it. They burnt my house. They admitted it. 308 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,317 I gave them a drink and they admitted it all. 309 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,637 Or they tell the neighbors to show off. They came, 310 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,635 burnt it and went to that hill over there to watch it burn. 311 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,709 But it didn't burn. Then they broke in, two of them. 312 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:43,117 They took my clothes out of the closet and burnt them 313 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,909 in the middle of the house, and after that it burned. 314 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,351 The fire brigade came. I don't remember what was the time 315 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,314 and they put out the fire. A nice monument remains. 316 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,196 It was really nice here. It was really nice. 317 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:19,636 I hope today is a day to talk in person like people. Maybe 318 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:27,550 this beginning will seem formal to you, we can continue after 319 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:36,435 the conference and finally break the ice of hatred. 320 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,516 You don't have any right to speak about injustices 321 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,158 because your father was a public prosecutor in Dachau processes. 322 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,389 Excuse me! Mr. Kreuh! My father has nothing to do with you. 323 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:58,552 Aren't you ashamed?! - You don't have any moral right. 324 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,277 Excuse me, Mr. Kreuh, 325 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,755 tell me what's your fault and what's mine. 326 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:31,559 We, veterans didn't interfere with the problem of erased 327 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,598 and we don't plan to do it. - That's not true! 328 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,192 You didn't hear any word about the erased from me. I am here 329 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:46,039 today because I got an invitation and I came so that Mr. Perak 330 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,278 won't say to me I didn't come because I was afraid. 331 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,990 And I tell you again with full responsibility: Veterans have 332 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,152 nothing to do with the erased, but we have to do with those 333 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,115 that acted against the state. Against those we will always 334 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,070 take steps. That has to be clear. Slovenia is being compared 335 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,996 to Nazi Germany. I won't allow it. We didn't fight for that. 336 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:17,032 These are Mr. Hanzek's words. - Mr. Hanzek is not reliable. 337 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:25,037 Yet another example of a person that is not willing to talk. 338 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,394 How could I talk to you? - Excuse me, sir. You wanted something? 339 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,077 You are distorting it, because you didn't listen and you say 340 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,434 only what you want to hear. Just that and nothing else. 341 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:44,748 If you listened to others you would speak differently now 342 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,112 but you don't. You are saying something else again. 343 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,717 Would you let me speak? - No, they tell you all the time 344 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,390 that you are only speaking one thing over and over again, 345 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,229 what you want to say, you don't listen to what we told you. 346 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,235 Aco, please. - Leave me alone. I have to ask the state 347 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,878 to let me live with my family. Do you know they erased me 348 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,632 from the household of my family? You don't know it. I had to pay 349 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,194 taxes to live in my own house. You don't know that. 350 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,358 You are acting like a big fighter for human rights. 351 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,434 How many of our fighters for Slovenia is without a job today? 352 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:35,508 Is a right to work in a constitution? It is. 353 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,839 And they don't have jobs. - Bravo! That's how it is! 354 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,592 They are great! Great, pure geniuses. 355 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,957 But we have caught them in crime. It's not obvious yet. 356 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,274 It has to be obvious with a bare eye. 357 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,870 I don't want to die. But if I have to die it's still better 358 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,592 to die with a goal than just like that, he came and died. 359 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,636 Everything else goes on. In those 10 days of my strike 360 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:49,035 I didn't do much. Fine, I did something: I realized 361 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,518 I have to do it differently. You can't do anything with 362 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:57,474 self-destruction, with dieing on a hunger strike. 363 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,117 I have to do it differently. Now I really can die. 364 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,590 I mean it. Now I can die. Maybe a little bit more... 365 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,033 Because now it is obvious what democrats did... 366 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,278 humanists, fighters for human rights.