1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:00,000 starttime 1258489185.79782 2 00:00:02,001 --> 00:00:03,000 ] THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: ON 3 00:00:03,001 --> 00:00:48,000 TH VOTE THE YEAS ARE 417. 4 00:00:48,001 --> 00:00:49,000 THE NAYS ARE ZERO. 5 00:00:49,001 --> 00:00:50,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: ON 6 00:00:50,001 --> 00:00:53,000 THIS VOTE THE YEAS ARE 419. 7 00:00:53,001 --> 00:00:54,000 THE NAYS ARE ZERO. 8 00:00:54,001 --> 00:00:55,000 2/3 HAVING RESPONDED IN THE 9 00:00:55,001 --> 00:00:56,000 AFFIRMATIVE, THE RULES ARE 10 00:00:56,001 --> 00:00:57,000 SUSPENDED, THE RESOLUTION IS 11 00:00:57,001 --> 00:00:58,000 AGREED TO AND WITHOUT OBJECTION 12 00:00:58,001 --> 00:01:04,000 A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID 13 00:01:04,001 --> 00:01:09,000 ON THE TABLE. 14 00:01:09,001 --> 00:01:19,000 THE HOUSE WILL BE IN ORDER. 15 00:01:19,001 --> 00:01:34,000 THE HOUSE WILL BE IN ORDER. 16 00:01:34,001 --> 00:01:35,000 THE HOUSE WILL BE IN ORDER. 17 00:01:35,001 --> 00:01:36,000 THE HOUSE WILL ENTERTAIN 18 00:01:36,001 --> 00:01:45,000 REQUESTS FOR ONE-MINUTE 19 00:01:45,001 --> 00:01:46,000 SPEECHES. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE 20 00:01:46,001 --> 00:01:49,000 GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? 21 00:01:49,001 --> 00:01:51,000 >> MR. SPEAKER, I ASK UNANIMOUS 22 00:01:51,001 --> 00:01:56,000 CONSENT TO WITHDRAW MY NAME AS 23 00:01:56,001 --> 00:01:57,000 A CO-SPONSOR OF H.R. 3904. 24 00:01:57,001 --> 00:02:09,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: 25 00:02:09,001 --> 00:02:10,000 WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. 26 00:02:10,001 --> 00:02:11,000 FOR WHAT REASON DOES THE 27 00:02:11,001 --> 00:02:14,000 GENTLEMAN FROM ILLINOIS RISE? 28 00:02:14,001 --> 00:02:17,000 >> MR. SPEAKER, I ASK UNANIMOUS 29 00:02:17,001 --> 00:02:18,000 CONSENT TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE 30 00:02:18,001 --> 00:02:19,000 TH 31 00:02:19,001 --> 00:02:27,000 WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE 32 00:02:27,001 --> 00:02:29,000 GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. 33 00:02:29,001 --> 00:02:34,000 MR. QUIEY: MR. SPEAKER, TODAY 34 00:02:34,001 --> 00:02:35,000 THE INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY 35 00:02:35,001 --> 00:02:37,000 AGENCY RELEASED DISTURBING 36 00:02:37,001 --> 00:02:38,000 INFORMATION ABOUT IRAN. 37 00:02:38,001 --> 00:02:39,000 THEY SAID THEY COULD BE 38 00:02:39,001 --> 00:02:41,000 CONSTRUCTING SEVERAL MORE 39 00:02:41,001 --> 00:02:42,000 CONVERT NUCLEAR INSTALLATIONS. 40 00:02:42,001 --> 00:02:44,000 THE REPORT ALSO SAID THAT IRAN 41 00:02:44,001 --> 00:02:47,000 LIED ABOUT THE FACILITY WE DO 42 00:02:47,001 --> 00:02:48,000 KNOW ABOUT SAYING CONSTRUCTION 43 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:50,000 BEGAN IN 2007. 44 00:02:50,001 --> 00:02:52,000 WHEN SATELLITE PHOTOS PROVED IT 45 00:02:52,001 --> 00:02:55,000 WAS STARTED IN 2002. 46 00:02:55,001 --> 00:02:58,000 MOST DISTURBING OF ALL, REPORT 47 00:02:58,001 --> 00:03:01,000 INDICATES THAT TEHRAN HAS NOT 48 00:03:01,001 --> 00:03:02,000 PRODUCED ONE IN 3/4 TONS OF 49 00:03:02,001 --> 00:03:04,000 LOW-ENRICHED URANIUM. 50 00:03:04,001 --> 00:03:07,000 THAT'S ENOUGH FOR TWO BOMBS IF ENRICHED FURTHER. 51 00:03:07,001 --> 00:03:10,000 FOUR WEEKS AGO, IRAN WAS 52 00:03:10,001 --> 00:03:11,000 OFFERED A DEAL TO SHIP ITS 53 00:03:11,001 --> 00:03:12,000 URANIUM OVERSEAS FOR 54 00:03:12,001 --> 00:03:13,000 PROCESSING. 55 00:03:13,001 --> 00:03:15,000 BUT IT GAVE MORE DELAYS. 56 00:03:15,001 --> 00:03:16,000 TODAY'S REPORT MAKES I 57 00:03:16,001 --> 00:03:19,000 WE CAN'T AFFORD TO OFFER ANY 58 00:03:19,001 --> 00:03:24,000 MORE DEALS OR ACCEPT ANY MORE DELAYS. 59 00:03:24,001 --> 00:03:25,000 THIS HOUSE TOOK BOLD ACTION THE IRAN 60 00:03:25,001 --> 00:03:28,000 SANCTIONS ENABLING ACT. 61 00:03:28,001 --> 00:03:29,000 IT NOW MUST PASS THE 62 00:03:29,001 --> 00:03:30,000 PETROLEUM SANCTIONS ACT. 63 00:03:30,001 --> 00:03:33,000 THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW. 64 00:03:33,001 --> 00:03:34,000 I YIELD BACK. 65 00:03:34,001 --> 00:03:35,000 THE SP 66 00:03:35,001 --> 00:03:40,000 GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. 67 00:03:40,001 --> 00:03:42,000 THE HOUSE WILL BE IN ORDER. 68 00:03:42,001 --> 00:03:44,000 THE HOUSE WILL BE IN ORDER. 69 00:03:44,001 --> 00:03:45,000 MEMBERS WILL TAKE THEIR 70 00:03:45,001 --> 00:03:47,000 CONVERSATIONS TO THE CLOAKROOM 71 00:03:47,001 --> 00:04:00,000 OR REMOVE THEIR CONVERSATIONS 72 00:04:00,001 --> 00:04:01,000 FROM THE FLOOR. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE 73 00:04:01,001 --> 00:04:03,000 GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? 74 00:04:03,001 --> 00:04:04,000 MR. SMITH: MR. SPEAKER, I ASK 75 00:04:04,001 --> 00:04:05,000 PERMISSION TO ADDR 76 00:04:05,001 --> 00:04:06,000 FOR ONE MINUTE AND REVISE AND 77 00:04:06,001 --> 00:04:07,000 EXTEND MY REMARKS. 78 00:04:07,001 --> 00:04:08,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE 79 00:04:08,001 --> 00:04:09,000 GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. 80 00:04:09,001 --> 00:04:10,000 MR. SMITH: MR. SPEAKER, WITH 15 81 00:04:10,001 --> 00:04:12,000 MILLION PEOPLE UNEMPLOYED, IT'S 82 00:04:12,001 --> 00:04:13,000 NO WONDER THAT AMERICANS 83 00:04:13,001 --> 00:04:15,000 INCREASINGLY ARE CONCERNED 84 00:04:15,001 --> 00:04:17,000 ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. 85 00:04:17,001 --> 00:04:20,000 A C OPINION RESEARCH POLL 86 00:04:20,001 --> 00:04:22,000 FOUND THAT ONLY 36% OF 87 00:04:22,001 --> 00:04:24,000 AMERICANS NOW APPROVE OF THE 88 00:04:24,001 --> 00:04:25,000 PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF ILLEGAL 89 00:04:25,001 --> 00:04:27,000 IMMIGRATION. 90 00:04:27,001 --> 00:04:29,000 58% DISAPPROVE. 91 00:04:29,001 --> 00:04:30,000 THE POLL ALSO FOUND THAT 73% OF 92 00:04:30,001 --> 00:04:32,000 AMERICANS WANT TO SEE THE 93 00:04:32,001 --> 00:04:33,000 NUMBER OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN 94 00:04:33,001 --> 00:04:35,000 THE U.S. DECREASED. 95 00:04:35,001 --> 00:04:38,000 THIS IS THE 96 00:04:38,001 --> 00:04:39,000 SINCE THE QUESTION WAS FIRST 97 00:04:39,001 --> 00:04:41,000 ASKED IN 2006. 98 00:04:41,001 --> 00:04:43,000 IN ADDITION, GAL LINEUP 99 00:04:43,001 --> 00:04:45,000 REPORTED THAT THE PERCENTAGE -- 100 00:04:45,001 --> 00:04:50,000 GALLUP REPORTED THAT THE 101 00:04:50,001 --> 00:04:52,000 PERCENTAGE INCREASED FROM 39% 102 00:04:52,001 --> 00:04:53,000 TO 50%. 103 00:04:53,001 --> 00:04:54,000 THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SHOULD 104 00:04:54,001 --> 00:04:56,000 E INTEREST OF AMERICANS 105 00:04:56,001 --> 00:05:02,000 AHEAD OF THOSE OF ILLEGAL 106 00:05:02,001 --> 00:05:03,000 IMMIGRANTS. 107 00:05:03,001 --> 00:05:04,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: FOR 108 00:05:04,001 --> 00:05:08,000 WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK RISE? 109 00:05:08,001 --> 00:05:09,000 >> UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO ADDRESS 110 00:05:09,001 --> 00:05:10,000 THE HOUSE FOR ONE MINUTE AND TO 111 00:05:10,001 --> 00:05:11,000 RAX MY REMARKS. 112 00:05:11,001 --> 00:05:12,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: 113 00:05:12,001 --> 00:05:13,000 WITHOUT OBJECTION. MR. WEINER: MR. SPEAKER, 114 00:05:13,001 --> 00:05:14,000 EARLIER TODAY IN AN EFFORT TO 115 00:05:14,001 --> 00:05:16,000 SCARE PEOPLE AND TO FRIGHTEN 116 00:05:16,001 --> 00:05:18,000 THEM, A MEMBER OF THIS HOUSE 117 00:05:18,001 --> 00:05:21,000 CAME TO THE FLOOR AND SUGGESTED 118 00:05:21,001 --> 00:05:25,000 THAT THE IDEA OF 119 00:05:25,001 --> 00:05:27,000 TRIAL OF CLEED SHEIK MOHAMMED 120 00:05:27,001 --> 00:05:28,000 IN NEW YORK MIGHT JEOPARDIZE 121 00:05:28,001 --> 00:05:29,000 THE FAMILY OF THE MAYOR IN NEW 122 00:05:29,001 --> 00:05:31,000 YORK. 123 00:05:31,001 --> 00:05:35,000 NOW, PUT ASIDE THE IDEA THAT WE 124 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:36,000 HAVE AN IDEA TO -- KHAD SHAKE 125 00:05:36,001 --> 00:05:38,000 MOHAMMED IN NEW YORK MIT 126 00:05:38,001 --> 00:05:39,000 JEOPARDIZE THE FAMILY OF THE 127 00:05:39,001 --> 00:05:42,000 MAYOR IN NEW YORK. 128 00:05:42,001 --> 00:05:43,000 NOW, PUT ASIDE THE IDEA THAT 129 00:05:43,001 --> 00:05:44,000 SHOULD PUT KHALID SHAKE 130 00:05:44,001 --> 00:05:47,000 MOHAMMED TO DEATH, AND THAT'S 131 00:05:47,001 --> 00:05:51,000 HOW IT SHOULD BE, BUT ANY 132 00:05:51,001 --> 00:05:55,000 MEMBER OF THE HOUSE TO 133 00:05:55,001 --> 00:05:57,000 THAT TO HAVE 134 00:05:57,001 --> 00:06:00,000 MAY JEOPARDIZE THE MAYOR OF YORK. 135 00:06:00,001 --> 00:06:02,000 NOW, THAT MEMBER KNOWS WHO HE IS. 136 00:06:02,001 --> 00:06:05,000 THAT MEMBER SHOULD BE QUIET. 137 00:06:05,001 --> 00:06:07,000 IT'S ONE THING TO BRING A BABY 138 00:06:07,001 --> 00:06:08,000 TO THE FLOOR AND USE AS A PROP 139 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:10,000 IN THE HEALTH CARE DEBATE A 140 00:06:10,001 --> 00:06:11,000 QUITE ANOTHER TO SAY THAT THE 141 00:06:11,001 --> 00:06:12,000 FAMILY OF THE MAYOR OF THE CITY 142 00:06:12,001 --> 00:06:13,000 OF N 143 00:06:13,001 --> 00:06:15,000 BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT 144 00:06:15,001 --> 00:06:19,000 POLITICAL VIEW ABOUT HOW TO 145 00:06:19,001 --> 00:06:20,000 CARRY OUT JUSTICE. 146 00:06:20,001 --> 00:06:21,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: FOR 147 00:06:21,001 --> 00:06:22,000 WHAT PURPOSE DOETHE GENTLEMAN 148 00:06:22,001 --> 00:06:23,000 FROM TEXAS RISE? 149 00:06:23,001 --> 00:06:24,000 >> TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE FOR ONE 150 00:06:24,001 --> 00:06:25,000 MINUTE AND TO REVISE AND EXTEND 151 00:06:25,001 --> 00:06:27,000 MY REMARKS. 152 00:06:27,001 --> 00:06:29,000 GENTLEMAN WILL SUSPEND FOR JUST 153 00:06:29,001 --> 00:06:30,000 A MOMENT. 154 00:06:30,001 --> 00:06:33,000 MR. NUKE BAUER: MR. SPEAKER, 155 00:06:33,001 --> 00:06:34,000 FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN 156 00:06:34,001 --> 00:06:36,000 HISTORY, FOREIGN SOLDIERS 157 00:06:36,001 --> 00:06:38,000 CAPTURED ON FOREIGN 158 00:06:38,001 --> 00:06:39,000 BATTLEFIELDS ARE GIVEN U.S. 159 00:06:39,001 --> 00:06:42,000 CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. 160 00:06:42,001 --> 00:06:44,000 THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR ME AND 161 00:06:44,001 --> 00:06:45,000 CONSTITUENTS, WHAT OUTRAGES US 162 00:06:45,001 --> 00:06:46,000 ABOUT THESE TERRORISTS BEING 163 00:06:46,001 --> 00:06:48,000 TRIED IN NEW YORK IS NOW FOR 164 00:06:48,001 --> 00:06:49,000 THE FIRST TIME THIS 165 00:06:49,001 --> 00:06:51,000 ADMINISTRATION, THIS LIBERAL 166 00:06:51,001 --> 00:06:52,000 CONGRESS IS GIVING U.S. 167 00:06:52,001 --> 00:06:54,000 CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO 168 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:55,000 FOREIGN SOLDIERS CAPTURED ON 169 00:06:55,001 --> 00:06:56,000 FON BATTLIELDS. 170 00:06:56,001 --> 00:06:59,000 THEY'RE GOING TO LAWYER UP AT 171 00:06:59,001 --> 00:07:02,000 TAXPER EXPENSE, THEY'RE GOING 172 00:07:02,001 --> 00:07:04,000 TO ALL ASK FOR EVERY 173 00:07:04,001 --> 00:07:06,000 CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT THAT A REGULAR U.S. CRIMINAL DEFENDANT 174 00:07:06,001 --> 00:07:10,000 GETS AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET 175 00:07:10,001 --> 00:07:12,000 OFF ON TECHNICALITIES. 176 00:07:12,001 --> 00:07:14,000 NOW, KHALID SHAKE MOHAMMED AND 177 00:07:14,001 --> 00:07:15,000 THESE -- KHALID SHAIKH MOHAM 178 00:07:15,001 --> 00:07:17,000 AND THESE TERRORISTS ARE GOING 179 00:07:17,001 --> 00:07:19,000 TO BE FREED ON TECHNICALITIES, 180 00:07:19,001 --> 00:07:20,000 NO U.S. SOLDIER SHOULD BE HELD 181 00:07:20,001 --> 00:07:21,000 TO THE SE STANDARD AS A 182 00:07:21,001 --> 00:07:22,000 POLICE OFFICER ON THE STREETS 183 00:07:22,001 --> 00:07:23,000 OF NEW YORK. 184 00:07:23,001 --> 00:07:25,000 IT'S WRONG. 185 00:07:25,001 --> 00:07:27,000 IT VIOLATES OUR CORE PRINCIPLES 186 00:07:27,001 --> 00:07:29,000 AS A NATION AND IT ENDANGERS 187 00:07:29,001 --> 00:07:31,000 OUR MILITARY. 188 00:07:31,001 --> 00:07:33,000 WE CANNOT GIVE CONSTITUTIONAL 189 00:07:33,001 --> 00:07:34,000 RIGHTS TO ENEMY SOLDIERS 190 00:07:34,001 --> 00:07:36,000 CAPTURED ON FOREIGN 191 00:07:36,001 --> 00:07:37,000 TTLEFIELDS, ESPECIALLY THESE 192 00:07:37,001 --> 00:07:41,000 MURDERERS, THESE TERRORISTS 193 00:07:41,001 --> 00:07:42,000 HELD AT GUANTANAMO. 194 00:07:42,001 --> 00:07:44,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: ARE 195 00:07:44,001 --> 00:08:01,000 THERE FURTHER ONE-MINUTE 196 00:08:01,001 --> 00:08:02,000 ADDRESSES? 197 00:08:02,001 --> 00:08:03,000 FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM CALIFORNIA 198 00:08:03,001 --> 00:08:05,000 RISE? 199 00:08:05,001 --> 00:08:06,000 MS. WOOLSEY: MR. SPEA UNANIMOUS 200 00:08:06,001 --> 00:08:07,000 FOLLOWING LEGISLATIVE BUSINESS 201 00:08:07,001 --> 00:08:11,000 AND ANY SPECIAL ORDERS 202 00:08:11,001 --> 00:08:12,000 HERETOFORE ENTERED INTO THE 203 00:08:12,001 --> 00:08:14,000 FOLLOWING MEMBERS MAY BE 204 00:08:14,001 --> 00:08:17,000 PERMITTED TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE 205 00:08:17,001 --> 00:08:20,000 FOR FIVE MINUTES, TO REVISE AND REMARKS, AND 206 00:08:20,001 --> 00:08:21,000 INCLUDE THEREIN EXTRANEOUS 207 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:23,000 MATERIAL. MS. WOOLSEY, CALIFORNIA. 208 00:08:23,001 --> 00:08:24,000 MR. DAVIS, ILLINOIS. 209 00:08:24,001 --> 00:08:27,000 MR. DEFAZIO, OREGON. 210 00:08:27,001 --> 00:08:28,000 MS. KAPTUR, OHIO. 211 00:08:28,001 --> 00:08:38,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: 212 00:08:38,001 --> 00:08:39,000 WITHOUT OBJECTION. UNDER THE SPEAKER'S ANNOUNCED 213 00:08:39,001 --> 00:08:41,000 POLICY OF JANUARY 6, 2009, AND 214 00:08:41,001 --> 00:08:42,000 UNDER A PREVIOUS ORDER OF THE 215 00:08:42,001 --> 00:08:44,000 HOUSE, THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS 216 00:08:44,001 --> 00:08:46,000 ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES 217 00:08:46,001 --> 00:08:50,000 EACH. 218 00:08:50,001 --> 00:08:51,000 MR. POE OF TEXAS. 219 00:08:51,001 --> 00:08:55,000 THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 220 00:08:55,001 --> 00:08:56,000 FIVE MINUTES. 221 00:08:56,001 --> 00:08:58,000 MR. POE: THANK YOU, MR. 222 00:08:58,001 --> 00:09:00,000 SPEAKER. 223 00:09:00,001 --> 00:09:01,000 MAJOR NIDAL HASAN IS A TERRORIST. 224 00:09:01,001 --> 00:09:04,000 IF ANYONE NEEDS CONFIRMATION, 225 00:09:04,001 --> 00:09:07,000 IT SAYS ON HIS OWN BUSINESS 226 00:09:07,001 --> 00:09:08,000 CARDS, "SOLDIER OF ALLAH," AND 227 00:09:08,001 --> 00:09:09,000 THOSE BUSINESS CARDS WERE FOUND 228 00:09:09,001 --> 00:09:11,000 IN HIS APARTMENT. 229 00:09:11,001 --> 00:09:13,000 WITHIN AN HOUR OF HIS TERRORIST 230 00:09:13,001 --> 00:09:15,000 ATTACK ON FORT HOOD, THE F.B.I. 231 00:09:15,001 --> 00:09:17,000 QUICKLY TOLD US HE'S NOT A TERRORIST. 232 00:09:17,001 --> 00:09:19,000 THE AUTHORITIES TOLD US NOT TO 233 00:09:19,001 --> 00:09:20,000 JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHILE THEY 234 00:09:20,001 --> 00:09:23,000 JUMPED TO CONCLUSIONS. 235 00:09:23,001 --> 00:09:25,000 THE NEWS MEDIA HAS CALLED HASAN 236 00:09:25,001 --> 00:09:28,000 EVERYTHING BUT A TERRORIST. 237 00:09:28,001 --> 00:09:29,000 HASAN HAS -- WAS CALLED A LONE 238 00:09:29,001 --> 00:09:31,000 GUNMAN, TROUBLED INDIVIDUAL WHO 239 00:09:31,001 --> 00:09:32,000 SOMEHOW SUFFERED FROM 240 00:09:32,001 --> 00:09:33,000 POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. 241 00:09:33,001 --> 00:09:36,000 THE 242 00:09:36,001 --> 00:09:38,000 HE HADN'T BEEN DEPLOYED OVERSEAS. 243 00:09:38,001 --> 00:09:40,000 SO HOW COULD HE HAVE 244 00:09:40,001 --> 00:09:44,000 POSTTRAUMATIC STRESSTIES ORDER? 245 00:09:44,001 --> 00:09:45,000 MAY IT SHOULD BE CALLED PRE-POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS 246 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:49,000 DISORDER. 247 00:09:49,001 --> 00:09:51,000 THEY SAID HIS RAMPAGE WAS A 248 00:09:51,001 --> 00:09:53,000 RANDOM ACT OF VIOLENCE. 249 00:09:53,001 --> 00:09:58,000 HE WAS STRESSED AND FORCED TO 250 00:09:58,001 --> 00:10:00,000 SNAP AND THEY EVEN BLAME IT ON 251 00:10:00,001 --> 00:10:07,000 -- BUT DON'T CALL HIM A TERRORIST. 252 00:10:07,001 --> 00:10:10,000 REPORTS LEAKED OUT THAT HE HAD 253 00:10:10,001 --> 00:10:11,000 SAID "GOD IS GREAT" WHILE 254 00:10:11,001 --> 00:10:13,000 GUNNING DOWN INNOCENT PEOPLE. 255 00:10:13,001 --> 00:10:17,000 ACCORDING TO "THE DALLAS 256 00:10:17,001 --> 00:10:18,000 MORNING NEWS," THERE ARE 257 00:10:18,001 --> 00:10:20,000 INVESTIGATIONS IF HE WIRED 258 00:10:20,001 --> 00:10:22,000 MONEY TO AFGHANISTAN. 259 00:10:22,001 --> 00:10:23,000 HIS APARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE MUCH 260 00:10:23,001 --> 00:10:25,000 FURNITURE IN IT. 261 00:10:25,001 --> 00:10:27,000 HE DROVE AN OLD CAR BUT MADE 262 00:10:27,001 --> 00:10:28,000 OVER $100,000 A YEAR. 263 00:10:28,001 --> 00:10:30,000 NOW PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHERE DID 264 00:10:30,001 --> 00:10:33,000 ALL THAT MONEY GO? 265 00:10:33,001 --> 00:10:37,000 ACCORDING TO A COLLEAGUE AT 266 00:10:37,001 --> 00:10:39,000 WALTER REED HOSPITAL, HE HAD A 267 00:10:39,001 --> 00:10:40,000 MEETING CALLED JIHAD AND WAR. 268 00:10:40,001 --> 00:10:42,000 INEAD OF THE MEDICAL LECTURE, 269 00:10:42,001 --> 00:10:43,000 THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TALK 270 00:10:43,001 --> 00:10:44,000 ABOUT, HASAN TALKED ABOUT 271 00:10:44,001 --> 00:10:46,000 PUNISHMENT. 272 00:10:46,001 --> 00:10:49,000 THIS DID UPON INFIDELS, 273 00:10:49,001 --> 00:10:52,000 DECAPITATION, AND HAVING HOT 274 00:10:52,001 --> 00:10:53,000 OIL POURED DOWN YOUR THROAT. 275 00:10:53,001 --> 00:10:54,000 ACCORDING TO HIS COLLEAGUE AT 276 00:10:54,001 --> 00:10:56,000 THE HOSPITAL, THIS FREAKED A 277 00:10:56,001 --> 00:10:58,000 LOT OF DOCTORS OUT. WELL, NO KIDDING. 278 00:10:58,001 --> 00:10:59,000 BUT APPARENTLY NOT ENOUGH FOR 279 00:10:59,001 --> 00:11:00,000 ANYONE TO BREAK THEIR 280 00:11:00,001 --> 00:11:04,000 POLITICALLY CORRECT SILENCE AND 281 00:11:04,001 --> 00:11:06,000 REPORT HIM. 282 00:11:06,001 --> 00:11:07,000 ONE OF THE POLITICALLY CORRECT 283 00:11:07,001 --> 00:11:09,000 POLI MADE THOSE WHO REPORT 284 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:11,000 CRES SO TIMID? 285 00:11:11,001 --> 00:11:12,000 HASAN'S CLIQUES SAID HE WAS THE 286 00:11:12,001 --> 00:11:13,000 KIND OF BOY WHO THE STAFF 287 00:11:13,001 --> 00:11:14,000 ACTUALLY STOOD AROUND IN THE 288 00:11:14,001 --> 00:11:16,000 HALLWAY SAYING, DO YOU THIN 289 00:11:16,001 --> 00:11:17,000 THIS GUY'S A TERRORIST OR IS HE 290 00:11:17,001 --> 00:11:19,000 JUST ODD? 291 00:11:19,001 --> 00:11:21,000 NOTHING WAS DONE AND WHY WASN'T 292 00:11:21,001 --> 00:11:23,000 HE FORMALLY -- FORMALLY REPORTED BY COLLEAGUES? 293 00:11:23,001 --> 00:11:26,000 THERE IS NO ANSWE. 294 00:11:26,001 --> 00:11:28,000 HASAN EXCHANGED EMAIL WITH AN AL 295 00:11:28,001 --> 00:11:31,000 QAEDA RECRUITER 20 TIMES. 296 00:11:31,001 --> 00:11:32,000 ACCORDING TO "THE WALL STREET 297 00:11:32,001 --> 00:11:33,000 JOURNAL" THE PENTAGON SAID THEY 298 00:11:33,001 --> 00:11:34,000 WERE NEVER TOLD BY INTELLIGENCE 299 00:11:34,001 --> 00:11:37,000 AGENCIES ABOUT THE EMAILS. 300 00:11:37,001 --> 00:11:39,000 WHICH RAISES EVEN MORE QUESTIONS. 301 00:11:39,001 --> 00:11:40,000 THE F.B.I., ARMY INTELLIGENCE, 302 00:11:40,001 --> 00:11:41,000 THE C.I.A., APPARENTLY THEY'RE 303 00:11:41,001 --> 00:11:43,000 IT IS IT STILL NOT TALKING TO 304 00:11:43,001 --> 00:11:45,000 EACH OTHER. 305 00:11:45,001 --> 00:11:46,000 SO WE NEED CONGRESSIONAL 306 00:11:46,001 --> 00:11:48,000 INVESTIGATIONS ON THIS ENTIRE SITUATION. 307 00:11:48,001 --> 00:11:50,000 I'VE ASKED THAT THE TERRORISM 308 00:11:50,001 --> 00:11:52,000 SUBCOMMITTEE WHICH I SERVE ON IN 309 00:11:52,001 --> 00:11:54,000 CONGRESS INVESTIGATE THIS SITUATION. 310 00:11:54,001 --> 00:11:55,000 THERE WERE WARNING SIGNS THAT 311 00:11:55,001 --> 00:11:56,000 WERE IGNORED BECAUSE HE WAS A 312 00:11:56,001 --> 00:11:58,000 MUSLIM. 313 00:11:58,001 --> 00:12:00,000 IS THIS A REFLECTION ON ALL 314 00:12:00,001 --> 00:12:01,000 MUSLIMS IN THE ARMY? 315 00:12:01,001 --> 00:12:02,000 ABSOLUTELY NOT. 316 00:12:02,001 --> 00:12:04,000 WE HAVE THOS 317 00:12:04,001 --> 00:12:05,000 FAITH LOYALLY SERVING IN IRAQ 318 00:12:05,001 --> 00:12:07,000 AND AFGHANISTAN. 319 00:12:07,001 --> 00:12:08,000 MANY SPEAK FARSI AND HELP OUR 320 00:12:08,001 --> 00:12:10,000 TROOPS IN COMBAT. 321 00:12:10,001 --> 00:12:12,000 BUT IT IS A REFLECTION ON ONE 322 00:12:12,001 --> 00:12:14,000 PERSON WHO RADICALIZED. 323 00:12:14,001 --> 00:12:15,000 THERE WERE WARNING SIGNS AND 324 00:12:15,001 --> 00:12:16,000 INTERVENTION SHOULD HAVE 325 00:12:16,001 --> 00:12:18,000 OCCURRED MUCH EARLIER. 326 00:12:18,001 --> 00:12:20,000 IT'S A REFLECTION ON THE ARMY'S 327 00:12:20,001 --> 00:12:21,000 ABILITY TO BE DESIVE AND TAKE 328 00:12:21,001 --> 00:12:22,000 CARE OF BUSINESS, TAKE CARE OF A 329 00:12:22,001 --> 00:12:24,000 THREAT WHEN THEY SEE IT. 330 00:12:24,001 --> 00:12:26,000 THEY MISSED THE OBVIOUS. 331 00:12:26,001 --> 00:12:28,000 THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS 332 00:12:28,001 --> 00:12:29,000 CONTINUING TO HAPPEN IN THE MILITARY? 333 00:12:29,001 --> 00:12:31,000 ARE THEY GOING TO CONTINUE TO 334 00:12:31,001 --> 00:12:34,000 IGNORE THE OBVIOUS? 335 00:12:34,001 --> 00:12:36,000 HASAN HAD MURDERED 14 PEOPLE 336 00:12:36,001 --> 00:12:38,000 INCLUDING THE PREGNANT SOLDIER 337 00:12:38,001 --> 00:12:39,000 AND HER UNBORN CHILD AND SHE WAS 338 00:12:39,001 --> 00:12:41,000 SENT HOME FROM IRAQ OUT OF THE 339 00:12:41,001 --> 00:12:42,000 WAR ZONE TO HAVE HER BABY. 340 00:12:42,001 --> 00:12:43,000 MR. SPEAKER, WHEN IT GETS TO THE 341 00:12:43,001 --> 00:12:44,000 POINT WHERE POLITICAL 342 00:12:44,001 --> 00:12:46,000 CORRECTNESS PUTS THE LIVES OF 343 00:12:46,001 --> 00:12:48,000 OUR TROOPS IN DANGER ON AMERICAN 344 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:53,000 SOIL AT THEIR HOME BASE, IT'S 345 00:12:53,001 --> 00:12:55,000 WELL PAST TIME TO STOP PLAYING PREPOSTEROUS P.C. GAMES. 346 00:12:55,001 --> 00:12:56,000 BY THE WAY, MR. SPEAKER, DO YOU 347 00:12:56,001 --> 00:12:57,000 KNOW WHAT THE MILITARY 348 00:12:57,001 --> 00:12:58,000 OFFICIALLY CALLS TERRORISTS? 349 00:12:58,001 --> 00:12:59,000 WE DON'T USE THAT TERM TERRORIST 350 00:12:59,001 --> 00:13:02,000 ANYMORE. 351 00:13:02,001 --> 00:13:03,000 THEY'RE OFFICIALLY CALLED ALIEN 352 00:13:03,001 --> 00:13:05,000 UNLAWFUL BELLIGERENTS. 353 00:13:05,001 --> 00:13:06,000 NOW ISN'T THAT LOVELY? 354 00:13:06,001 --> 00:13:08,000 WE CAN'T CALL THEM TERRORISTS OR 355 00:13:08,001 --> 00:13:10,000 KILLERS OR CRIMINALS BECAUSE 356 00:13:10,001 --> 00:13:11,000 THAT MIGHT HURT THEIR FEELINGS. 357 00:13:11,001 --> 00:13:12,000 THE AMERICAN MILITARY, THE 358 00:13:12,001 --> 00:13:14,000 F.B.I. AND THE MEDIA MUST DEAL 359 00:13:14,001 --> 00:13:16,000 WITH THE FACTS AND THE TRUTH 360 00:13:16,001 --> 00:13:17,000 WITHOUT TRYING TO MISLEAD THE 361 00:13:17,001 --> 00:13:18,000 AMERICAN PUBLIC. 362 00:13:18,001 --> 00:13:21,000 D THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT 363 00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:24,000 I YIELD BACK. 364 00:13:24,001 --> 00:13:25,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE 365 00:13:25,001 --> 00:13:26,000 BALANCE OF HIS TIME. 366 00:13:26,001 --> 00:13:27,000 FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLELADY FROM CALIFORNIA RISE? 367 00:13:27,001 --> 00:13:29,000 >> MR. SPEAKER, I ASK UNANIMOUS 368 00:13:29,001 --> 00:13:30,000 CONSENT TO ADDRESS THE HOUSE FOR 369 00:13:30,001 --> 00:13:31,000 FIVE MINUTES. 370 00:13:31,001 --> 00:13:33,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: WITHOUT OBJECTION. 371 00:13:33,001 --> 00:13:34,000 MS. WOOLSEY: THANK YOU, MR. 372 00:13:34,001 --> 00:13:36,000 SPEAKER. 373 00:13:36,001 --> 00:13:37,000 LAST WEEK ON VETERANS DAY THE 374 00:13:37,001 --> 00:13:41,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE PAID TRIBUTE TO 375 00:13:41,001 --> 00:13:43,000 THE HEROIC MEN AND WOMEN WHO 376 00:13:43,001 --> 00:13:44,000 HAVE AND ARE SERVING IN OUR 377 00:13:44,001 --> 00:13:47,000 MILITARY. 378 00:13:47,001 --> 00:13:48,000 FORTUNATELY MOST VETERANS RETURN 379 00:13:48,001 --> 00:13:51,000 HOME SAFE AND SOUND. 380 00:13:51,001 --> 00:13:53,000 THEY DEVOTE THEMSELVES TO THEIR FAMILIES, THEY BECOME LEADERS IN 381 00:13:53,001 --> 00:13:56,000 THEIR COMMUNITIES. 382 00:13:56,001 --> 00:13:57,000 I KNOW MANY VETERANS IN MY DISTRICT. 383 00:13:57,001 --> 00:13:59,000 THEY ARE AMONG THE MOST 384 00:13:59,001 --> 00:14:01,000 RESPECTED AND BELOVED NEIGHBORS. 385 00:14:01,001 --> 00:14:03,000 BUT TOO MANY VETERANS, MR. 386 00:14:03,001 --> 00:14:04,000 SPEAKER, NEVER GET THE CHANCE TO 387 00:14:04,001 --> 00:14:07,000 RESUME THEIR LIVES. 388 00:14:07,001 --> 00:14:10,000 THEY DIED IN BATTLE OR THEY 389 00:14:10,001 --> 00:14:11,000 RETURN HOME WITH TERRIBLE WOUNDS 390 00:14:11,001 --> 00:14:12,000 THAT WILL NEVER HEAL. 391 00:14:12,001 --> 00:14:15,000 THEIR LOVING FAMILIES FEEL THE 392 00:14:15,001 --> 00:14:17,000 SCARS OF WAR, TOO, ESPECIALLY 393 00:14:17,001 --> 00:14:19,000 THE CHILDREN. 394 00:14:19,001 --> 00:14:22,000 TODAY AMERICAN SOLDIERS CONTINUE 395 00:14:22,001 --> 00:14:23,000 TO FACE 396 00:14:23,001 --> 00:14:25,000 AND IN IRAQ. 397 00:14:25,001 --> 00:14:28,000 NEARLY 5,300 HAVE ALREADY DIED 398 00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:31,000 IN THOSE TWO CONFLICTS. 399 00:14:31,001 --> 00:14:33,000 ABOUT 35,000 HAVE BEEN WOUNDED. 400 00:14:33,001 --> 00:14:36,000 AND WHEN THE WOUNDED RETURN HOME 401 00:14:36,001 --> 00:14:38,000 THEY OFTEN FACE MANY CHALLENGES. 402 00:14:38,001 --> 00:14:41,000 ACCORDING TO A STUDY BY THE 403 00:14:41,001 --> 00:14:45,000 HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL OVER 404 00:14:45,001 --> 00:14:47,000 130,000 VETERANS ARE HOMELESS. 405 00:14:47,001 --> 00:14:49,000 OVER 2,200 VETERANS DIED LAST 406 00:14:49,001 --> 00:14:50,000 YEAR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE 407 00:14:50,001 --> 00:14:53,000 HEALTH INSURANCE. 408 00:14:53,001 --> 00:14:55,000 AND, MR. SPEAKER,ANY VETERANS 409 00:14:55,001 --> 00:14:56,000 ARE OUT OF WORK IN THIS 410 00:14:56,001 --> 00:15:00,000 RECESSION. 411 00:15:00,001 --> 00:15:02,000 THIS CONGRESS AND OBAMA AND HIS 412 00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:04,000 ADMINISTRATION --RESIDENT 413 00:15:04,001 --> 00:15:07,000 OBAMA AND HIS ADMINISTRATION -- 414 00:15:07,001 --> 00:15:09,000 RECOGNIZE THESE PROBLEMS AND 415 00:15:09,001 --> 00:15:12,000 WE'VE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS IN ADDRESSING THEM. 416 00:15:12,001 --> 00:15:14,000 THIS HOUSE HAS PASSED NEW 417 00:15:14,001 --> 00:15:16,000 LEGISLATION THAT HELPS VETERANS. 418 00:15:16,001 --> 00:15:18,000 WE'VE PASSED A STRONG HEALTH 419 00:15:18,001 --> 00:15:20,000 INSURANCE REFORM BILL THAT WILL 420 00:15:20,001 --> 00:15:23,000 HELP VETERANS. 421 00:15:23,001 --> 00:15:26,000 IN ADDITION, GENERAL SHINSEKI, 422 00:15:26,001 --> 00:15:28,000 THE SECRETARY OF VETERANS' 423 00:15:28,001 --> 00:15:32,000 AFFAIRS, HAS PROMISED AN ALL-OUT 424 00:15:32,001 --> 00:15:33,000 EFFORT TO END VETERANS HOMELESSNESS. 425 00:15:33,001 --> 00:15:35,000 HE HAS ALSO LAUNCHED A NEW 426 00:15:35,001 --> 00:15:36,000 EFFORT TO STRENGTHEN HOUSING, 427 00:15:36,001 --> 00:15:39,000 EDUCATION, EMPLOYMENT AND 428 00:15:39,001 --> 00:15:41,000 MEDICAL CARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR VETERANS. 429 00:15:41,001 --> 00:15:43,000 WE NEED TO DO ALL OF 430 00:15:43,001 --> 00:15:44,000 SPEAKER, AND WE NEED TO DO MORE. 431 00:15:44,001 --> 00:15:46,000 BUT I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT 432 00:15:46,001 --> 00:15:49,000 THE BEST WAY TO SERVE OUR 433 00:15:49,001 --> 00:15:51,000 VETERANS IS TO DO 434 00:15:51,001 --> 00:15:53,000 CAN TO KEEP THEM OUT OF HARM'S 435 00:15:53,001 --> 00:15:55,000 WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE. 436 00:15:55,001 --> 00:15:59,000 THAT MEANS SENDING OUR TROOPS TO 437 00:15:59,001 --> 00:16:02,000 WAR ONLY AS A LAST RESORT. 438 00:16:02,001 --> 00:16:03,000 WHEN WE'VE EXPLORED EVERY 439 00:16:03,001 --> 00:16:05,000 ALTERNATIVE. 440 00:16:05,001 --> 00:16:06,000 IN AFGHANISTAN WE HAVEN'T MET 441 00:16:06,001 --> 00:16:08,000 THAT TEST. 442 00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:10,000 WE HAVE RELIED ALMOST 443 00:16:10,001 --> 00:16:11,000 EXCLUSIVELY ON THE MILITARY 444 00:16:11,001 --> 00:16:13,000 SOLUTION FOR OVER EIGHT LONG 445 00:16:13,001 --> 00:16:17,000 YEARS AND WE SEE WHERE THAT'S 446 00:16:17,001 --> 00:16:18,000 GOTTEN US -- ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE. 447 00:16:18,001 --> 00:16:21,000 MR. SPEAKER, WE HAVE LEARNED 448 00:16:21,001 --> 00:16:24,000 THAT THERE IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION TO AFGHANISTAN AND 449 00:16:24,001 --> 00:16:26,000 WE'VE LEARNED THAT LESSON THE 450 00:16:26,001 --> 00:16:30,000 HARD WAY AND WE'VE LEARNED IT 451 00:16:30,001 --> 00:16:31,000 THROUGH THE NUMBER OF DEAD AND 452 00:16:31,001 --> 00:16:34,000 WOUNDED. 453 00:16:34,001 --> 00:16:36,000 THAT'S WHY I URGE PRESIDENT 454 00:16:36,001 --> 00:16:37,000 OBAMA TO SAY NO TO SENDING MORE 455 00:16:37,001 --> 00:16:38,000 TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN. 456 00:16:38,001 --> 00:16:40,000 OUR TROOPS HAVE ALREADY BEEN 457 00:16:40,001 --> 00:16:41,000 STRETCHED TO THE LIMS BY 458 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:42,000 REPEATED DEPLOYMENTS. 459 00:16:42,001 --> 00:16:44,000 THEIR FAMILIES HAVE ALREADY 460 00:16:44,001 --> 00:16:46,000 SUFFERED ENOUGH ON THE HOME FRONT. 461 00:16:46,001 --> 00:16:49,000 AND ESCALATING THE WAR WILL ONLY 462 00:16:49,001 --> 00:16:50,000 HELP THE VIOLENT EXTREMISTS IN 463 00:16:50,001 --> 00:16:54,000 AFGHANISTAN TO RECRUIT MORE 464 00:16:54,001 --> 00:16:56,000 VIOLENT EXTREMISTS TO ATTACK OUR TROOPS. 465 00:16:56,001 --> 00:16:58,000 INSTEAD OF PURSUING THE SAME 466 00:16:58,001 --> 00:17:00,000 FAILED STRATEGY OF THE PAST, 467 00:17:00,001 --> 00:17:03,000 I'VE CALLED FOR 468 00:17:03,001 --> 00:17:04,000 THAT RELIES ON ALL THE EFFECTIVE 469 00:17:04,001 --> 00:17:08,000 TOOLS OF SMART SECURITY. 470 00:17:08,001 --> 00:17:10,000 THESE TOOLS 471 00:17:10,001 --> 00:17:13,000 HUMANITARIAN AID, ECONOMIC 472 00:17:13,001 --> 00:17:14,000 DEVELOPMENT, EDUCATION, CIVIL 473 00:17:14,001 --> 00:17:16,000 AFFAIRS AND BETTER INTELLIGENCE 474 00:17:16,001 --> 00:17:18,000 AND POLICE WORK TO SEARCH OUT 475 00:17:18,001 --> 00:17:23,000 AND CAPTURE EXTREMISTS. 476 00:17:23,001 --> 00:17:24,000 AT LEAST 80% OF ALL FURTHER 477 00:17:24,001 --> 00:17:28,000 FUNDING FOR AFGHANISTAN SHOULD 478 00:17:28,001 --> 00:17:29,000 BE DEVOTED TO THESE SMART POWER 479 00:17:29,001 --> 00:17:30,000 EFFORTS. 480 00:17:30,001 --> 00:17:32,000 MR. SPEAKER, THE CASUALTY 481 00:17:32,001 --> 00:17:35,000 FIGURES ARE GROWING IN AFGHANISTAN. 482 00:17:35,001 --> 00:17:36,000 WE OWE IT TO OUR COURAGEOUS 483 00:17:36,001 --> 00:17:37,000 TROOPS TO PROTECT THEIR LIVES 484 00:17:37,001 --> 00:17:39,000 BEFORE WE HAVE ANOTHER IRAQ ON 485 00:17:39,001 --> 00:17:43,000 OUR HANDS. 486 00:17:43,001 --> 00:17:45,000 SO SMART SECURITY MUST BE USED 487 00:17:45,001 --> 00:17:48,000 BECAUSE IT CAN GET US A LOT 488 00:17:48,001 --> 00:17:51,000 FARTHER IN AFGHANISTAN. 489 00:17:51,001 --> 00:17:53,000 MUCH FARTHER THAN MILITARY POWER ALONE. 490 00:17:53,001 --> 00:17:55,000 MR. SPEAKER, LET'S CHANGE OUR 491 00:17:55,001 --> 00:17:56,000 STRATEGY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. 492 00:17:56,001 --> 00:17:59,000 LET'S BRING OUR TROOPS HOME, 493 00:17:59,001 --> 00:18:00,000 LET'S BRING THEM HOME 494 00:18:00,001 --> 00:18:03,000 SOUND AND SUCCESSFUL. 495 00:18:03,001 --> 00:18:05,000 I YIELD BACK. 496 00:18:05,001 --> 00:18:06,000 THE EAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK THE 497 00:18:06,001 --> 00:18:10,000 BALANCE OF HER TIME. 498 00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:13,000 MR. JONES OF ILLINOIS. 499 00:18:13,001 --> 00:18:15,000 MR. DAVIS OF INDIANA -- 500 00:18:15,001 --> 00:18:16,000 ILLINOIS. 501 00:18:16,001 --> 00:18:17,000 THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 502 00:18:17,001 --> 00:18:18,000 FIVE MINUTES. MR. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MR. 503 00:18:18,001 --> 00:18:19,000 SPEAKER. 504 00:18:19,001 --> 00:18:23,000 I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSEN 505 00:18:23,001 --> 00:18:24,000 REVISE AND EXTEND MY REMARKS. 506 00:18:24,001 --> 00:18:25,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: WITHOUT 507 00:18:25,001 --> 00:18:26,000 OBJECTION. 508 00:18:26,001 --> 00:18:29,000 MR. DAVIS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 509 00:18:29,001 --> 00:18:35,000 MR. SPEAKER. 510 00:18:35,001 --> 00:18:38,000 YESTERDAY AS S.T.F.-129 LIFTED 511 00:18:38,001 --> 00:18:42,000 OFF THERE WAS A GLIMPSE OF PRIDE 512 00:18:42,001 --> 00:18:43,000 IN 513 00:18:43,001 --> 00:18:45,000 BECAUSE ONE OF THE 514 00:18:45,001 --> 00:18:46,000 BOARD WAS ROBERT THATCHER. 515 00:18:46,001 --> 00:18:48,000 DOCTOR, CHEMICAL ENGINEER AND 516 00:18:48,001 --> 00:18:50,000 NATIVE OF OAK PARK, ILLINOIS, 517 00:18:50,001 --> 00:18:51,000 AND THE SEVENTH CONGRESSIONAL 518 00:18:51,001 --> 00:18:52,000 DISTRICT. 519 00:18:52,001 --> 00:18:56,000 DR. SATCHER IS THE SECOND 520 00:18:56,001 --> 00:18:58,000 ASTRONAUT TO HAIL FROM OAK PARK, 521 00:18:58,001 --> 00:19:00,000 ON THE WESTERN BORDER OF CHICAGO. 522 00:19:00,001 --> 00:19:03,000 IN A COMMUNITY TO BOAST SUCH A 523 00:19:03,001 --> 00:19:06,000 RECORD OF PRODUCING ASTRONAUTS 524 00:19:06,001 --> 00:19:07,000 DESERVES A SECOND LOOK. 525 00:19:07,001 --> 00:19:10,000 THE COMMUNITY WAS JUST OVER 526 00:19:10,001 --> 00:19:11,000 50,000 RESIDENTS, TO ACCUMULATE 527 00:19:11,001 --> 00:19:13,000 SUCH A RECORD, SOMETHING MUST BE 528 00:19:13,001 --> 00:19:16,000 GOING ON THAT IS VERY RIGHT. 529 00:19:16,001 --> 00:19:18,000 BUT OF COURSE IN THE END IT IS 530 00:19:18,001 --> 00:19:20,000 UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL TO 531 00:19:20,001 --> 00:19:22,000 DETERMINE WHAT TO DO WITH THE 532 00:19:22,001 --> 00:19:24,000 CIRCUMSTANCES OF THEIR LIVES. 533 00:19:24,001 --> 00:19:27,000 DR. ROBERT THATCHER HAS DONE 534 00:19:27,001 --> 00:19:28,000 SOME AMAZING THINGS WITH HIS 535 00:19:28,001 --> 00:19:29,000 LIFE. 536 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:31,000 AN ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON WHO 537 00:19:31,001 --> 00:19:34,000 PRACTICES AT NORTHWESTERN 538 00:19:34,001 --> 00:19:35,000 MEMORIAL AND CHILDREN'S MEMORIAL 539 00:19:35,001 --> 00:19:37,000 HOSPITAL, TEACHES AT 540 00:19:37,001 --> 00:19:41,000 NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY MEDICAL 541 00:19:41,001 --> 00:19:43,000 SCHOOL, DOES RESEARCH AT THE 542 00:19:43,001 --> 00:19:44,000 COMPREHENSIVE COUNCIL CENTER OF 543 00:19:44,001 --> 00:19:47,000 NORTHWESTERN AND THE INSTITUTE 544 00:19:47,001 --> 00:19:48,000 OF BIOENGINEERING AND NATO 545 00:19:48,001 --> 00:19:51,000 TECHNOLOGY IN ADVANCED MEDICINE 546 00:19:51,001 --> 00:19:53,000 AT NORTHWESTERN. 547 00:19:53,001 --> 00:19:55,000 DR. THATCHER IS A 1/2UE OF 548 00:19:55,001 --> 00:19:59,000 FORMER U.S. SURGEON GENERAL -- 549 00:19:59,001 --> 00:20:00,000 NEPHEW OF FORMER U.S. GENERAL 550 00:20:00,001 --> 00:20:03,000 DAVID THATCHER. 551 00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:05,000 HE IS MARRIED TO A DOCTOR AND 552 00:20:05,001 --> 00:20:09,000 THEY HAVE A DAUGHTER. 553 00:20:09,001 --> 00:20:11,000 DR. THATCHER WAS AT THE SWITESER 554 00:20:11,001 --> 00:20:13,000 HOSPITAL, COMPLETED NUMEROUS 555 00:20:13,001 --> 00:20:17,000 MEDICAL MISSIONS FOR OUTREACH 556 00:20:17,001 --> 00:20:20,000 CARE FOR UNDERSERVED AREAS IN 557 00:20:20,001 --> 00:20:22,000 NICARAGUA, VENEZUELA, NIGERIA 558 00:20:22,001 --> 00:20:25,000 AND GABON. 559 00:20:25,001 --> 00:20:27,000 HE HELD INTERNSHIPS AT DUPONT IN 560 00:20:27,001 --> 00:20:30,000 THE TEXTILE 561 00:20:30,001 --> 00:20:31,000 GROUP AND THE POLL MERE PRODUCTS 562 00:20:31,001 --> 00:20:32,000 DIVISION. 563 00:20:32,001 --> 00:20:35,000 GROWING UP HE WAS A NATIONAL 564 00:20:35,001 --> 00:20:38,000 MERIT SCHOLAR AND RECEIVED AN 565 00:20:38,001 --> 00:20:40,000 AWARD AND THE 566 00:20:40,001 --> 00:20:42,000 AWARD FROM M.I.T. 567 00:20:42,001 --> 00:20:46,000 FELLOWSHIPS FROM BOTH THE ROBERT 568 00:20:46,001 --> 00:20:48,000 WOOD JOHNSON FOUNDATION AND THE 569 00:20:48,001 --> 00:20:49,000 MERCK RESEARCH FOUNDATION AND IS 570 00:20:49,001 --> 00:20:50,000 A MEMBER OF THE ENGINEERING 571 00:20:50,001 --> 00:20:52,000 HONOR SOCIETY. 572 00:20:52,001 --> 00:20:54,000 HE IS A LEADERSHIP FELLOW OF 573 00:20:54,001 --> 00:20:57,000 AMERICAN ACADEMY OF ORTHOPEDIC 574 00:20:57,001 --> 00:20:59,000 SURGEONS, A.B.C. FELLOW OF THE 575 00:20:59,001 --> 00:21:01,000 ORTHOPEDIC ASSOCIATION, 576 00:21:01,001 --> 00:21:03,000 BLOOMBERG LEADERSHIP FELLOWSHIP 577 00:21:03,001 --> 00:21:05,000 THAT COMPLETED 12 RESEARCH 578 00:21:05,001 --> 00:21:07,000 GRANTS AND HAS 15 PEER REVIEW 579 00:21:07,001 --> 00:21:09,000 PUBLICATIONS AND OVER 25 580 00:21:09,001 --> 00:21:10,000 PRESENTATIONS AT NATIONAL AND 581 00:21:10,001 --> 00:21:12,000 INTERNATIONAL RESEARCH MEETINGS. 582 00:21:12,001 --> 00:21:14,000 HE HAS BEEN ACTIVE IN THE BIG 583 00:21:14,001 --> 00:21:16,000 BROTHER FOR YOUTH AT RISK 584 00:21:16,001 --> 00:21:20,000 COSELING PROGRAM, DEPARTMENT 585 00:21:20,001 --> 00:21:22,000 OF CORRECTIONS, SAN FRANCISCO, 586 00:21:22,001 --> 00:21:24,000 CALIFORNIA, THE BLACK STUDENT 587 00:21:24,001 --> 00:21:26,000 UNION TUTORIAL PROGRAM AT 588 00:21:26,001 --> 00:21:27,000 M.I.T., THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF 589 00:21:27,001 --> 00:21:29,000 BLACK ENGINEERS, THE AMERICAN 590 00:21:29,001 --> 00:21:30,000 INST CHEMICAL 591 00:21:30,001 --> 00:21:33,000 ENGINEERING, A SUPERVISING ADULT 592 00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:36,000 FOR CUB SCOUTS FOR BOYS IN 593 00:21:36,001 --> 00:21:39,000 NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, AND HE IS 594 00:21:39,001 --> 00:21:40,000 A LATE EMISS COULD PAL MINISTER 595 00:21:40,001 --> 00:21:43,000 WITH PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES 596 00:21:43,001 --> 00:21:45,000 FOR VISITING THE SICK AND SHUTIN 597 00:21:45,001 --> 00:21:48,000 MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH IF AT A 598 00:21:48,001 --> 00:21:49,000 CHURCH IN CHICAGO AND ST. JAMES 599 00:21:49,001 --> 00:21:51,000 CHURCH IN HOUSTON. 600 00:21:51,001 --> 00:21:52,000 HE WAS SELECTED FOR ASTRONAUT 601 00:21:52,001 --> 00:21:55,000 CANDIDATE TRAINING BY NASA IN 602 00:21:55,001 --> 00:21:58,000 MAY OF 2004 AND COMPLETED 603 00:21:58,001 --> 00:22:02,000 TRAINING IN FEBRUARY OF 2006. 604 00:22:02,001 --> 00:22:05,000 ON STF-129, HE IS SCHEDULED TO 605 00:22:05,001 --> 00:22:07,000 PERFORM TWO E.V.A.'S, SPACE 606 00:22:07,001 --> 00:22:08,000 WALKS, AMONG OTHER ASSIGNMENTS. 607 00:22:08,001 --> 00:22:11,000 FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO 608 00:22:11,001 --> 00:22:17,000 ON TWITTER, HE WILL BE TWEETING 609 00:22:17,001 --> 00:22:19,000 AT ASTROBONES AND GMB. 610 00:22:19,001 --> 00:22:22,000 GOD SPEED TO YOU, DR. THATCHER. 611 00:22:22,001 --> 00:22:24,000 YOU HAVE A LOT OF FANS BACK ON 612 00:22:24,001 --> 00:22:28,000 EARTH AND ESPECIALLY THOSE IN 613 00:22:28,001 --> 00:22:30,000 OAK PARK, 614 00:22:30,001 --> 00:22:34,000 I THANK YOU AND 615 00:22:34,001 --> 00:22:37,000 BALANCE OF MY TIME. GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE 616 00:22:37,001 --> 00:22:40,000 BALANCE OF HIS TIME. 617 00:22:40,001 --> 00:22:44,000 MR. BURTON OF INDIANA. 618 00:22:44,001 --> 00:22:53,000 DEFAZIO OF OREGON. 619 00:22:53,001 --> 00:22:59,000 MORAN OF KANSAS. 620 00:22:59,001 --> 00:23:00,000 MS. KAPTUR OF OHIO. 621 00:23:00,001 --> 00:23:02,000 MS. KAPTUR: I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS 622 00:23:02,001 --> 00:23:03,000 THE HOUSE FOR FIVE MINUTES AND 623 00:23:03,001 --> 00:23:04,000 PUT EXTRANEOUS MATERIAL IN THE 624 00:23:04,001 --> 00:23:05,000 RECORD. 625 00:23:05,001 --> 00:23:06,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: WITHOUT OBJECTION. 626 00:23:06,001 --> 00:23:08,000 MS. KAPTUR: 627 00:23:08,001 --> 00:23:10,000 IN IRAQ AFTER THOUSANDS UPON 628 00:23:10,001 --> 00:23:12,000 THOUSANDS OF LOST LIVES AND 629 00:23:12,001 --> 00:23:15,000 HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 630 00:23:15,001 --> 00:23:16,000 DISABLING INJURIES, AFTER $1 631 00:23:16,001 --> 00:23:20,000 TRILLION OF U.S. TREASURE ADDED 632 00:23:20,001 --> 00:23:22,000 TO OUR NATION'S DEBT, AFTER AN 633 00:23:22,001 --> 00:23:24,000 INCALCULABLE AMOUNT OF U.S. 634 00:23:24,001 --> 00:23:26,000 PRESTIGE BEING LOST, ONE 635 00:23:26,001 --> 00:23:29,000 ABOUT IRAQ REMAINS DEFING. 636 00:23:29,001 --> 00:23:31,000 IT'S ALL ABOUT OIL AND THE 637 00:23:31,001 --> 00:23:32,000 SPOILS OF OIL ACROSS THAT 638 00:23:32,001 --> 00:23:35,000 REGION. 639 00:23:35,001 --> 00:23:38,000 EXXON, THE LARGEST U.S. OIL 640 00:23:38,001 --> 00:23:40,000 COMPANY WITH PROFITS TOTALING 641 00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:43,000 $40.6 BILLION IN 2008, A RECORD, 642 00:23:43,001 --> 00:23:44,000 JUST GOT ITS FIRST CONTRACT 643 00:23:44,001 --> 00:23:45,000 INSIDE IRAQ. 644 00:23:45,001 --> 00:23:48,000 FOREIGN OIL COMPANIES LIKE EXXON 645 00:23:48,001 --> 00:23:50,000 WERE THROWN OUT OF THAT COUNTRY 646 00:23:50,001 --> 00:23:53,000 FOUR DECADES AGO WHEN SADDAM 647 00:23:53,001 --> 00:23:56,000 HUSSEIN NATIONALIZED IRAQ'S OIL FIELDS. 648 00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:58,000 MICHAEL CLAIRE AND HIS PRECIOUS 649 00:23:58,001 --> 00:24:00,000 E LORDS, BLOOD 650 00:24:00,001 --> 00:24:04,000 AND OIL CONNECTS THE DOTS. 651 00:24:04,001 --> 00:24:06,000 WHAT A SHAME OUR WORLD IS SO PRIMITIVE. 652 00:24:06,001 --> 00:24:08,000 PEOPLE BRUTALLY FIGHT OVER 653 00:24:08,001 --> 00:24:10,000 DIMINISHING RESOURCES AS GLOBAL 654 00:24:10,001 --> 00:24:12,000 ENERGY EXTRACTION GIANTS 655 00:24:12,001 --> 00:24:15,000 ADVANTAGE THEMSELVES FAR FROM 656 00:24:15,001 --> 00:24:19,000 HOME IN THE WAKE OF 657 00:24:19,001 --> 00:24:20,000 , TAPPING LARGESS THESE OIL 658 00:24:20,001 --> 00:24:23,000 GIANTS COVET. 659 00:24:23,001 --> 00:24:26,000 IRAQ RANKS FOURTH INLOBAL OIL 660 00:24:26,001 --> 00:24:28,000 RESERVES BEHIND SAUDI ARABIA, 661 00:24:28,001 --> 00:24:29,000 CANA AND IRAN. 662 00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:33,000 IRAQ'S CENTRAL GOVERNMENT IS NOW 663 00:24:33,001 --> 00:24:34,000 PICKING WINNERS IN THE GREAT OIL 664 00:24:34,001 --> 00:24:36,000 PRIZE BONANZA. 665 00:24:36,001 --> 00:24:38,000 THE IRAQI OIL CONTRACTING RUSH 666 00:24:38,001 --> 00:24:40,000 OF 2009. 667 00:24:40,001 --> 00:24:42,000 OIL HAS DOMINATED IRAQ'S ONOMY 668 00:24:42,001 --> 00:24:44,000 FOR GENERATIONS. 669 00:24:44,001 --> 00:24:46,000 OIL IS TRADITIONALLY PROVIDED 670 00:24:46,001 --> 00:24:47,000 MORE THAN 90% OF THAT COUNTRY'S 671 00:24:47,001 --> 00:24:49,000 EXCHANGE EARNINGS. 672 00:24:49,001 --> 00:24:51,000 AND IT IS LIKELY TO BE THE CASE 673 00:24:51,001 --> 00:24:54,000 FOR A FEW DECADES TO COME UNTIL 674 00:24:54,001 --> 00:24:56,000 IT'S ALL SUCKED DRY. 675 00:24:56,001 --> 00:24:57,000 ACCORDING TO "THE WASHINGTON 676 00:24:57,001 --> 00:24:58,000 POST," THE OIL MINISTRY IS 677 00:24:58,001 --> 00:25:00,000 EXPECTED TO HOLD A NEW BIDNG 678 00:25:00,001 --> 00:25:01,000 ROUND IN DECEMBER FOR 679 00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:04,000 UNDEVELOPED FIELDS. 680 00:25:04,001 --> 00:25:05,000 THOSE ARE ALSO FOR SERVICE AGREEMENTS. 681 00:25:05,001 --> 00:25:07,000 OIL GIANTS HOPE THE DEALS COULD 682 00:25:07,001 --> 00:25:11,000 ONE DAY LEA 683 00:25:11,001 --> 00:25:13,000 SHARING DEALS LONG AGO O GLOBAL 684 00:25:13,001 --> 00:25:15,000 ENERGY FIRMS THAT HAVE BEEN SHUT 685 00:25:15,001 --> 00:25:16,000 OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST FOR 686 00:25:16,001 --> 00:25:18,000 YEARS. 687 00:25:18,001 --> 00:25:21,000 THE OIL GIANTS, EXXON MOBILE, 688 00:25:21,001 --> 00:25:22,000 ROYAL DUTCH SHELL, SIGNED A $50 689 00:25:22,001 --> 00:25:24,000 BILLION DEAL WITH IRAQ TO 690 00:25:24,001 --> 00:25:27,000 EXTRACT OIL FROM THE WESTERN 691 00:25:27,001 --> 00:25:29,000 CURRENT OIL FIELDS, ONE OF 692 00:25:29,001 --> 00:25:31,000 IRAQ'S LARST OIL FIELDS 693 00:25:31,001 --> 00:25:33,000 LOCATED WEST OF BASRA IN 694 00:25:33,001 --> 00:25:37,000 SOUTHERN IRAQ. 695 00:25:37,001 --> 00:25:40,000 IT IS BELIEVED TO HOLD 11 -- $11 696 00:25:40,001 --> 00:25:41,000 -- 11 BILLION TO 15 BILLION 697 00:25:41,001 --> 00:25:43,000 BARRELS OF RESERVE AND THAT 698 00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:44,000 GIVES SHELL AND THEIR PARTNERS 699 00:25:44,001 --> 00:25:47,000 $1.90 PER BARREL ABOVE THE 700 00:25:47,001 --> 00:25:50,000 CURRENT PRODUCTION RATES OF $2 701 00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:51,000 -- 2.5 MILLION BARRELS A DAY 702 00:25:51,001 --> 00:25:52,000 THEN HOPE TO INCREASE PRODUCTION 703 00:25:52,001 --> 00:25:54,000 TO SEVEN MILLION A DAY OVER THE 704 00:25:54,001 --> 00:25:57,000 NEXT SIX YEARS, MEETING A 705 00:25:57,001 --> 00:25:59,000 WINDFALL OF 3.1 BILLION PER YEAR. 706 00:25:59,001 --> 00:26:00,000 ARE THE LIVES OF OUR SOL 707 00:26:00,001 --> 00:26:02,000 WORTH IT? 708 00:26:02,001 --> 00:26:04,000 THE GIANT EXXON MOBILE SHELL 709 00:26:04,001 --> 00:26:07,000 CONSORTIUM BEAT OUT THE OTHER 710 00:26:07,001 --> 00:26:12,000 OIL GIANT CONSORTIUM IT'S LED BY 711 00:26:12,001 --> 00:26:13,000 RUSSIA, FRANCE AND CHINA. 712 00:26:13,001 --> 00:26:15,000 DICTATORS HAVE COME AND GONE, 713 00:26:15,001 --> 00:26:17,000 FOREIGN ARMIES HAVE COME AND 714 00:26:17,001 --> 00:26:19,000 GONE, SOME STILL REMAIN, ONE 715 00:26:19,001 --> 00:26:22,000 THING REMAINS CONSTANT ABOUT 716 00:26:22,001 --> 00:26:25,000 IRAQ, OIL IS STILL THE BIG 717 00:26:25,001 --> 00:26:27,000 PRIZE. 718 00:26:27,001 --> 00:26:29,000 THAT'S WHY GIANTS GOING ALL THE 719 00:26:29,001 --> 00:26:31,000 WAY BACK TO THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE 720 00:26:31,001 --> 00:26:32,000 HAVE COVETED NTROL OF THEIR 721 00:26:32,001 --> 00:26:34,000 CRUDE. 722 00:26:34,001 --> 00:26:36,000 CYNICS WOULD EVEN SAY THEY WERE 723 00:26:36,001 --> 00:26:38,000 WILLING TO GO TO WAR OVER IT. 724 00:26:38,001 --> 00:26:40,000 AS WE OBSERVED THE CONTINUING 725 00:26:40,001 --> 00:26:42,000 RUSH TO THE OIL FIELDS, BY A 726 00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:44,000 WORLD THAT MUST T 727 00:26:44,001 --> 00:26:46,000 TRANSITION TO A GREENER 728 00:26:46,001 --> 00:26:48,000 AND SUSTAINABLE ENERGY FUTURE, 729 00:26:48,001 --> 00:26:49,000 ONE MUST ASK THE TOUGH 730 00:26:49,001 --> 00:26:51,000 QUESTION. 731 00:26:51,001 --> 00:26:54,000 ARE THE S OF OUR 732 00:26:54,001 --> 00:26:55,000 MILITARY GOING TO BE EXPENDED? 733 00:26:55,001 --> 00:26:58,000 FOR HOW LONG? 734 00:26:58,001 --> 00:27:01,000 FAR AWAY 735 00:27:01,001 --> 00:27:02,000 TO ACCESS A RESOURCE THAT IS 736 00:27:02,001 --> 00:27:03,000 DIMINISHING GLOBALLY WHILE 737 00:27:03,001 --> 00:27:06,000 AMERICA'S TREASURY IS EMPTY, 738 00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:09,000 SUPPORTING WARS IN FOREIGN 739 00:27:09,001 --> 00:27:12,000 PLACES TO TAP A RESOURCE BY 740 00:27:12,001 --> 00:27:13,000 2050 WILL BE GONE NEVER TO 741 00:27:13,001 --> 00:27:15,000 RETURN AGAIN. 742 00:27:15,001 --> 00:27:19,000 CIVILIZED PEOPLE, CIVILIZED 743 00:27:19,001 --> 00:27:21,000 PEOPLE SHOULD DEMAND MORE THAN 744 00:27:21,001 --> 00:27:25,000 FIGHTING THE RESOURCE WARS OF 745 00:27:25,001 --> 00:27:27,000 THE PAST FOR THE OIL GIANTS, 746 00:27:27,001 --> 00:27:30,000 FOR THE OIL GIANTS' PRIZES, FOR 747 00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:31,000 A LIMITED REMAINING TIME ON 748 00:27:31,001 --> 00:27:33,000 THIS PLANET. 749 00:27:33,001 --> 00:27:37,000 IT'S TIME TO THINK HARD ABOUT 750 00:27:37,001 --> 00:27:39,000 WHERE WE HAVE EXTENDED OUR MOST 751 00:27:39,001 --> 00:27:41,000 PRECIOUS ASSETS AND TO SAY IT'S 752 00:27:41,001 --> 00:27:43,000 TIME TO COME HOME. 753 00:27:43,001 --> 00:27:45,000 MR. SPEAKER, I YIELD BACK MY 754 00:27:45,001 --> 00:27:48,000 REMAINING TIME. 755 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:50,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK THE 756 00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:54,000 BALANCE OF HER TIME. 757 00:27:54,001 --> 00:27:56,000 MR. DIAZ-BALART FROM FLORIDA. 758 00:27:56,001 --> 00:28:00,000 MR. LINCOLN DIAZ-BALART FROM 759 00:28:00,001 --> 00:28:01,000 FLORIDA. 760 00:28:01,001 --> 00:28:03,000 UNDER THE SPEAKER'S ANNOUNCED 761 00:28:03,001 --> 00:28:05,000 POLICY OF JANUARY 6, 2009, THE 762 00:28:05,001 --> 00:28:07,000 GENTLEMAN FROM LOUISIANA, MR. 763 00:28:07,001 --> 00:28:09,000 CASSIDY, IS 764 00:28:09,001 --> 00:28:22,000 MINUTES AS THE DESIGNEE OF THE 765 00:28:22,001 --> 00:28:23,000 MINORITY LEADER. 766 00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:28,000 MR. CASSIDY: THANK YOU, MR. 767 00:28:28,001 --> 00:28:30,000 SPEAKER. 768 00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:31,000 MR. SPEAKER, I AM -- ALTHOUGH 769 00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:33,000 YOU CALLED ME MR., I AM 770 00:28:33,001 --> 00:28:36,000 ACTUALLY A 771 00:28:36,001 --> 00:28:37,000 AND SO IN MY OTHER LIFE, IN 772 00:28:37,001 --> 00:28:39,000 FACT, I SAW PATIENTS YESTERDAY 773 00:28:39,001 --> 00:28:41,000 AT A PUBLIC HOSPITAL IN 774 00:28:41,001 --> 00:28:43,000 LOUISIANA, A SAFETY HOSPITAL 775 00:28:43,001 --> 00:28:46,000 WHERE I WORKED FOR 20 YEARS. 776 00:28:46,001 --> 00:28:48,000 SO CARING FOR THE UNINSURED HAS 777 00:28:48,001 --> 00:28:49,000 BEEN MY LIFE'S WORK SINCE 778 00:28:49,001 --> 00:28:50,000 COMPLETING MY RESIDENCY AND 779 00:28:50,001 --> 00:28:54,000 RETURNING HOME. 780 00:28:54,001 --> 00:28:56,000 AND I'VE LEARNED 781 00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,000 DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO COST 782 00:28:58,001 --> 00:29:00,000 THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW 783 00:29:00,001 --> 00:29:01,000 PASSIONATE YOU ARE FOR THE 784 00:29:01,001 --> 00:29:03,000 UNINSURED, THE FACT IS YOU ARE 785 00:29:03,001 --> 00:29:04,000 UNABLE TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS. 786 00:29:04,001 --> 00:29:06,000 THERE ARE THREE GOALS OF HEALTH 787 00:29:06,001 --> 00:29:07,000 CARE REFORM AND THEY ARE 788 00:29:07,001 --> 00:29:11,000 COMMONLY SAID TO BE CONTROLLING 789 00:29:11,001 --> 00:29:12,000 COSTS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO 790 00:29:12,001 --> 00:29:13,000 HIGH-QUALITY CARE. 791 00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:15,000 AND IN THE HOSPITAL WHERE I 792 00:29:15,001 --> 00:29:17,000 WORK, THE SAFETY NET HOSPITAL, 793 00:29:17,001 --> 00:29:20,000 THEY ARE COMMITTED, THEY ARE SO 794 00:29:20,001 --> 00:29:22,000 PASSIONATE FOR THE UNDERSERVED 795 00:29:22,001 --> 00:29:23,000 FOLKS WHO ARE PHYSICAL 796 00:29:23,001 --> 00:29:25,000 THERAPISTS, WORK CLERKS, 797 00:29:25,001 --> 00:29:28,000 PHYSICIANS, NURSES, BUT THE 798 00:29:28,001 --> 00:29:31,000 PROBLEM IS IF THERE IS A BUDGET 799 00:29:31,001 --> 00:29:32,000 SHORTFALL THAN INEVITABLY 800 00:29:32,001 --> 00:29:34,000 SERVICES SUFFER. 801 00:29:34,001 --> 00:29:36,000 IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW 802 00:29:36,001 --> 00:29:38,000 PASSIONATE WE ARE IN OUR 803 00:29:38,001 --> 00:29:40,000 SERVICE, THE FACT IS IF THERE 804 00:29:40,001 --> 00:29:42,000 IS INSUFFICIENT RESOURCES IN 805 00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:43,000 THE STATE AT THE END OF THE 806 00:29:43,001 --> 00:29:44,000 BUDGET YEAR THEN SERVICES 807 00:29:44,001 --> 00:29:47,000 SUFFER. 808 00:29:47,001 --> 00:29:49,000 THAT NURSING STAFFING 809 00:29:49,001 --> 00:29:51,000 IS DECREASED AND HOSPITAL BEDS 810 00:29:51,001 --> 00:29:52,000 ARE CLOSED SO IF SOMEBODY COMES 811 00:29:52,001 --> 00:29:53,000 TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM THEY HAVE 812 00:29:53,001 --> 00:29:55,000 TO WAIT IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM 813 00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:56,000 BEFORE THEY'RE ADMITTED. 814 00:29:56,001 --> 00:29:58,000 AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS THE 815 00:29:58,001 --> 00:30:00,000 HOSPITAL GOES ON DIVERT, 816 00:30:00,001 --> 00:30:03,000 WHEREAS INSTEAD OF COMING TO 817 00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:04,000 OUR HOSPITAL THEY WILL BE 818 00:30:04,001 --> 00:30:06,000 DIVERTED TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL. 819 00:30:06,001 --> 00:30:11,000 AND THAT IS BECAUSE IF YOU 820 00:30:11,001 --> 00:30:12,000 DON'T CONTROL COST, INEVITABLY 821 00:30:12,001 --> 00:30:14,000 ACCESS AND QUALITY SUFFER. 822 00:30:14,001 --> 00:30:15,000 NOW I WAS STRUCK THAT PRESIDENT 823 00:30:15,001 --> 00:30:16,000 OBAMA AGREES WITH THIS. 824 00:30:16,001 --> 00:30:18,000 PRESIDENT OBAMA CONTINUALLY 825 00:30:18,001 --> 00:30:20,000 AGREES WITH THE NEED TO BEND 826 00:30:20,001 --> 00:30:23,000 THE COST CURVE DOWN, THE NEED 827 00:30:23,001 --> 00:30:24,000 TO CONTROL COSTS, BECAUSE IF WE 828 00:30:24,001 --> 00:30:26,000 DO NOT CONTROL COSTS THEN OUR 829 00:30:26,001 --> 00:30:28,000 ECONOMY SUFFERS AND THE ABILITY 830 00:30:28,001 --> 00:30:29,000 TO PROVIDE CARE SUFFERS. 831 00:30:29,001 --> 00:30:32,000 NOW, IT'S ONE THING TO SAY WE 832 00:30:32,001 --> 00:30:33,000 ARE GOING TO CONTROL COSTS BUT 833 00:30:33,001 --> 00:30:34,000 -- IN ORDER TO EXPAND ACCESS TO 834 00:30:34,001 --> 00:30:36,000 QUALITY CARE. 835 00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:38,000 BUT YOU GOT TO HAVE A PLAN ON 836 00:30:38,001 --> 00:30:40,000 HOW TO GET THERE. 837 00:30:40,001 --> 00:30:42,000 THERE IS A COMPANY CALLED 838 00:30:42,001 --> 00:30:43,000 MCKENZIE, MCKENZIE AND COMPANY, 839 00:30:43,001 --> 00:30:46,000 AND ON THEIR WEBSITE THEY HAVE 840 00:30:46,001 --> 00:30:48,000 AN ARTICLE, YOU CAN JOAN LOAD 841 00:30:48,001 --> 00:30:52,000 IT, A --OU CAN DOWNLOAD IT, 842 00:30:52,001 --> 00:30:53,000 CALLED THE THREE IMPAIR TIFFS 843 00:30:53,001 --> 00:30:54,000 OF HEALTH CARE REFORM. 844 00:30:54,001 --> 00:30:58,000 WITHOUT ACHIEVING THESE IMPAIR 845 00:30:58,001 --> 00:31:00,000 TIFFS THEN WE CANNOT I -- 846 00:31:00,001 --> 00:31:01,000 IMPERATIVES THEN WE CANNOT 847 00:31:01,001 --> 00:31:03,000 EXPAND ACCESS TO QUALITY CARE. 848 00:31:03,001 --> 00:31:04,000 NOW THE THREE IS DECREASING 849 00:31:04,001 --> 00:31:06,000 ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, HOW MUCH 850 00:31:06,001 --> 00:31:10,000 MONEY WE PUT INTO BUREAUCRACY 851 00:31:10,001 --> 00:31:12,000 AS OPPOSED TO PATIENT CARE, 852 00:31:12,001 --> 00:31:13,000 INCENTIVIZING HEALTHY LIFESTYLE. 853 00:31:13,001 --> 00:31:15,000 PUT DIFFERENTLY, IF PEOPLE 854 00:31:15,001 --> 00:31:17,000 INSIST ON SMOKING AND DRINKING 855 00:31:17,001 --> 00:31:18,000 IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH WE 856 00:31:18,001 --> 00:31:20,000 THROW AT HEALTH CARE WE ARE 857 00:31:20,001 --> 00:31:22,000 ALWAYS TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH 858 00:31:22,001 --> 00:31:25,000 DISEASE AS OPPOSED TO PREVENTING IT. 859 00:31:25,001 --> 00:31:27,000 AND LASTLY, COST TRANSPARENCY. 860 00:31:27,001 --> 00:31:28,000 SOMEONE GOING IN FOR KNEE 861 00:31:28,001 --> 00:31:30,000 SURGERY NEEDS TO KNOW HOW MUCH 862 00:31:30,001 --> 00:31:32,000 HER BILL WILL BE BEFORE SHE 863 00:31:32,001 --> 00:31:33,000 GOES IN AS OPPOSED TO LEARNING 864 00:31:33,001 --> 00:31:35,000 ABOUT IT TWO MONTHS LATER WHEN 865 00:31:35,001 --> 00:31:38,000 SHE GETS THE BILL. 866 00:31:38,001 --> 00:31:39,000 IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, 867 00:31:39,001 --> 00:31:42,000 THEREFORE, TO ACHIEVE OUR GOALS 868 00:31:42,001 --> 00:31:45,000 OF COST CONTAINMENT TO PROVIDE 869 00:31:45,001 --> 00:31:46,000 ACCESS TO QUALITY CARE TO WORK 870 00:31:46,001 --> 00:31:47,000 THROUGH THESE THREE 871 00:31:47,001 --> 00:31:49,000 IMPERATIVES. 872 00:31:49,001 --> 00:31:51,000 SO THE BILL WE PASSED, I GUESS, 873 00:31:51,001 --> 00:31:53,000 H.R. 3962, ON THE FACE OF IT 874 00:31:53,001 --> 00:31:56,000 DOES NOT CONTROL -- DOES NOT 875 00:31:56,001 --> 00:31:58,000 ACHIEVE THESE THREE IMPERATIVES. 876 00:31:58,001 --> 00:31:59,000 IF YOU ARE GOING TO DECREASE 877 00:31:59,001 --> 00:32:03,000 ADMINISTRATIVE COST,OU DON'T 878 00:32:03,001 --> 00:32:04,000 DO IT BY CREATING 111 NEW 879 00:32:04,001 --> 00:32:05,000 BUREAUCRACIES, BOARDS AND 880 00:32:05,001 --> 00:32:06,000 COMMISSIONS. 881 00:32:06,001 --> 00:32:07,000 I MEAN, IT'S JUST LAUGHABLE TO 882 00:32:07,001 --> 00:32:09,000 THINK WE ARE GOING TO PUT THAT 883 00:32:09,001 --> 00:32:11,000 MUCH MORE MONEY INTO 884 00:32:11,001 --> 00:32:12,000 ADMINISTRATION, BUILD THAT MANY 885 00:32:12,001 --> 00:32:14,000 MORE BUILDINGS, HIRE THAT MANY 886 00:32:14,001 --> 00:32:16,000 MORE PEOPLE AND AT THE 887 00:32:16,001 --> 00:32:17,000 TIME WE ARE SAYING WE ARE 888 00:32:17,001 --> 00:32:18,000 DECREASING ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. 889 00:32:18,001 --> 00:32:21,000 THERE IS VERY LITTLE IN THE 890 00:32:21,001 --> 00:32:22,000 BILL THAT INCENTIVIZES HEALTHY 891 00:32:22,001 --> 00:32:26,000 LIFESTYLES. 892 00:32:26,001 --> 00:32:29,000 YOU CAN THAT THOSE 893 00:32:29,001 --> 00:32:30,000 PROVISIONS WEAKEN THE ONES THAT 894 00:32:30,001 --> 00:32:32,000 ARE IN EFFECT. 895 00:32:32,001 --> 00:32:33,000 LASTLY, THERE IS NOT A LOT THAT 896 00:32:33,001 --> 00:32:35,000 HELPS TRANSPARENCY. 897 00:32:35,001 --> 00:32:37,000 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL 898 00:32:37,001 --> 00:32:38,000 ENCOURAGE COST TRANSPARENCY IS 899 00:32:38,001 --> 00:32:41,000 THE USE OF HEALTH SAVINGS 900 00:32:41,001 --> 00:32:42,000 ACCOUNTS AND NOW HEALTH SAVINGS 901 00:32:42,001 --> 00:32:43,000 ACCOUNTS ARE XED AS THEY HAVE 902 00:32:43,001 --> 00:32:45,000 NOT BEEN BEFORE. 903 00:32:45,001 --> 00:32:47,000 SO IT'S NOT SURPRISING IF THESE 904 00:32:47,001 --> 00:32:51,000 THREE IMPERATIVES ARE NOT 905 00:32:51,001 --> 00:32:54,000 ADDRESSED THAT WE CAN SAY THAT T BEING CONTROLLED. 906 00:32:54,001 --> 00:32:56,000 NOW, BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT JUST 907 00:32:56,001 --> 00:32:57,000 ME WHO SAID THAT COST 908 00:32:57,001 --> 00:32:59,000 BEING CONTROLLED. 909 00:32:59,001 --> 00:33:00,000 WE ALSO HAVE HERE A QUOTE FROM 910 00:33:00,001 --> 00:33:02,000 "THE WASHINGTON POST." 911 00:33:02,001 --> 00:33:04,000 WE HAVE A QUOTE FROM "THE 912 00:33:04,001 --> 00:33:08,000 WASHINGTON TIMES." 913 00:33:08,001 --> 00:33:09,000 IN THE "POST" IT SAYS IT DOES 914 00:33:09,001 --> 00:33:11,000 NOT DO ENOUGH TO CONTROL COSTS 915 00:33:11,001 --> 00:33:12,000 AND IT IS NOT FUNDED IN A 916 00:33:12,001 --> 00:33:13,000 SUSTAINABLE WAY. 917 00:33:13,001 --> 00:33:15,000 THE HEADLINE FROM "THE NEW YORK 918 00:33:15,001 --> 00:33:17,000 TIMES," I THINK THIS WAS FROM 919 00:33:17,001 --> 00:33:20,000 NOVEMBER 7, DEMOCRATS ARE -- 920 00:33:20,001 --> 00:33:24,000 MAYBE THE 10TH, DEMOCRATS RAISE 921 00:33:24,001 --> 00:33:27,000 ALARMS OVER HEALTH BILL COS. 922 00:33:27,001 --> 00:33:29,000 OVER THE COST OF THIS HEALTH BILL. 923 00:33:29,001 --> 00:33:31,000 THAT'SO IMPORTA 924 00:33:31,001 --> 00:33:33,000 YOU CAN LOOK IN ANY HARK 925 00:33:33,001 --> 00:33:35,000 SYSTEM, IF YOU DON'T 926 00:33:35,001 --> 00:33:37,000 EFFECTIVELY CONTROL C 927 00:33:37,001 --> 00:33:38,000 EVENTUAL ACCESS TO QUALITY 928 00:33:38,001 --> 00:33:40,000 CARE SUFFERS. 929 00:33:40,001 --> 00:33:44,000 I'VE BEEN LIVING THIS FOR 20 YEARS. 930 00:33:44,001 --> 00:33:46,000 I JUST -- IN MY LIFE WE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. 931 00:33:46,001 --> 00:33:48,000 AND SO HERE WE SEE FROM A 932 00:33:48,001 --> 00:33:51,000 COUPLE DIFFERENT SOURCES, "THE 933 00:33:51,001 --> 00:33:53,000 POST" AND "THE TIMES" THAT THIS 934 00:33:53,001 --> 00:33:55,000 BILL DOES NOT DO ENOUGH TO 935 00:33:55,001 --> 00:33:58,000 CONTROL COST. 936 00:33:58,001 --> 00:34:00,000 NOW, IT TURNS OUT THAT IT ISN'T 937 00:34:00,001 --> 00:34:02,000 JUST "THE POST" AND "THE TIMES" 938 00:34:02,001 --> 00:34:04,000 THAT HAVE SUCH CONCERNS, 939 00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:07,000 THERE'S AN ARTICLE ON REUTERS 940 00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:08,000 AND REUTERS SAY THAT CHINA IS 941 00:34:08,001 --> 00:34:10,000 NOW QUESTIONING THE COST OF OUR 942 00:34:10,001 --> 00:34:12,000 U.S. HEALTH CARE REFORM. 943 00:34:12,001 --> 00:34:14,000 SINCE CHINA BUYS SO MUCH OF OUR 944 00:34:14,001 --> 00:34:16,000 DEBT, IT TURNS OUT THEY HAVE A 945 00:34:16,001 --> 00:34:19,000 VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE 946 00:34:19,001 --> 00:34:21,000 THAT WE HAVE OUR FINANCIAL 947 00:34:21,001 --> 00:34:24,000 HOUSE IN ORDER. 948 00:34:24,001 --> 00:34:25,000 AND SO TO READ THE ARTICLE FROM 949 00:34:25,001 --> 00:34:27,000 REUTERS, GUESS WHAT, IT TURNS 950 00:34:27,001 --> 00:34:29,000 OUT THE CHINESE ARE CURIOUS 951 00:34:29,001 --> 00:34:31,000 ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S HEALTH 952 00:34:31,001 --> 00:34:33,000 CARE REFORM PLAN HOW IT WILL 953 00:34:33,001 --> 00:34:36,000 IMPACT AMERICA'S HUGE FISCAL DEFICIT AND THE GOVERNMENT 954 00:34:36,001 --> 00:34:38,000 OFFICIALS ARE USING PRESIDENT 955 00:34:38,001 --> 00:34:41,000 OBAMA'S ASIAN TRIP AS AN 956 00:34:41,001 --> 00:34:42,000 OPPORTUNITY TO ASK DETAILED 957 00:34:42,001 --> 00:34:43,000 QUESTIONS, BORDER PLATE 958 00:34:43,001 --> 00:34:44,000 ASSURANC APPARENTLY NOT 959 00:34:44,001 --> 00:34:47,000 CUTTING IT. 960 00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:49,000 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR WE 961 00:34:49,001 --> 00:34:51,000 AS AN AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR 962 00:34:51,001 --> 00:34:52,000 COUNTRY TO LOOK AT THE BILL 963 00:34:52,001 --> 00:34:55,000 THAT WAS JUST PASSED, THAT IS 964 00:34:55,001 --> 00:34:57,000 GOING OVER TO THE SENATE AND TO 965 00:34:57,001 --> 00:34:58,000 ANALYZE HOW WELL DOES IT 966 00:34:58,001 --> 00:35:00,000 CONTROL COSTS? 967 00:35:00,001 --> 00:35:02,000 ARE THE CHINESE CORRECT, "THE 968 00:35:02,001 --> 00:35:04,000 WASHINGTON POST," "THE NEW YORK 969 00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:06,000 TIMES," ARE THEIR ARTICLES CORRECT? 970 00:35:06,001 --> 00:35:07,000 OR DOES IT INDEED ACTUALLY 971 00:35:07,001 --> 00:35:08,000 CONTROL COSTS AND EVERYBODY 972 00:35:08,001 --> 00:35:10,000 ELSE IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED 973 00:35:10,001 --> 00:35:13,000 ABOUT IT? 974 00:35:13,001 --> 00:35:14,000 WELL, THAT'S -- LET'S GO INTO 975 00:35:14,001 --> 00:35:15,000 THAT. 976 00:35:15,001 --> 00:35:16,000 FIRST, REMBER OUR THREE 977 00:35:16,001 --> 00:35:17,000 IMPERATIVES. 978 00:35:17,001 --> 00:35:19,000 YOU HAVE TO DECREASE 979 00:35:19,001 --> 00:35:24,000 ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, YOU HAVE 980 00:35:24,001 --> 00:35:27,000 TO INCENTIVIZE HEALTHY 981 00:35:27,001 --> 00:35:31,000 LIFESTYLES, AND YOU HAVE TO PUT 982 00:35:31,001 --> 00:35:32,000 IN COST TRANSPARENCY. 983 00:35:32,001 --> 00:35:34,000 984 00:35:34,001 --> 00:35:35,000 DO SO. 985 00:35:35,001 --> 00:35:36,000 NOW, IT TURNS OUT WHEN THE 986 00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:38,000 PRESIDENT TALKS ABOUT 987 00:35:38,001 --> 00:35:39,000 PREVENTIVE MEDICINES, ONE OF 988 00:35:39,001 --> 00:35:41,000 THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS OF 989 00:35:41,001 --> 00:35:43,000 THIS, AND AS A PHYSICIAN I CAN 990 00:35:43,001 --> 00:35:49,000 THINK OF THIS, IF YOU THINK 991 00:35:49,001 --> 00:35:50,000 ABOUT A COLONOSCOPY, IF WE DO A 992 00:35:50,001 --> 00:35:52,000 COLONOSCOPE, IT COSTS THE 993 00:35:52,001 --> 00:35:53,000 SYSTEM A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR 994 00:35:53,001 --> 00:35:55,000 THOSE OVER 50. 995 00:35:55,001 --> 00:35:57,000 NOW, IF YOU FIND A POLYP AND 996 00:35:57,001 --> 00:35:58,000 REMOVE IT, IT'S A GOOD THING. 997 00:35:58,001 --> 00:35:59,000 BUT IT DOESN'T SAVE MONEY. 998 00:35:59,001 --> 00:36:01,000 BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU 999 00:36:01,001 --> 00:36:04,000 CAN DO THAT WILL SAVE MONEY. 1000 00:36:04,001 --> 00:36:06,000 IF YOU CAN GET SOMEONE TO STOP 1001 00:36:06,001 --> 00:36:07,000 SMOKING, IT ACTUALLY SAVES THE 1002 00:36:07,001 --> 00:36:10,000 SYSTEM MONEY. 1003 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:11,000 IT ALSO HELPS THEM IN TERMS OF 1004 00:36:11,001 --> 00:36:13,000 THEIR HEALTH. 1005 00:36:13,001 --> 00:36:14,000 IF YOU CAN GET SOMEONE TO LOSE 1006 00:36:14,001 --> 00:36:15,000 WEIGHT IT ACTUALLY SAVES THE 1007 00:36:15,001 --> 00:36:17,000 SYSTEM MONEY. 1008 00:36:17,001 --> 00:36:18,000 GENERAL MOTORS DID A STUDY, 1009 00:36:18,001 --> 00:36:20,000 THEY GOT SO MANY EMPLOYEES THEY 1010 00:36:20,001 --> 00:36:23,000 CAN DO THIS SORT OF THING AND 1011 00:36:23,001 --> 00:36:24,000 THEY FOUND THAT FOR EVERY 10 1012 00:36:24,001 --> 00:36:25,000 POUNDS THAT AN EMPLOYEE LOST 1013 00:36:25,001 --> 00:36:27,000 THAT THEIR HEALTH CARE COST 1014 00:36:27,001 --> 00:36:29,000 WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. 1015 00:36:29,001 --> 00:36:31,000 IF THE PERSON HAD HIGH BLOOD 1016 00:36:31,001 --> 00:36:33,000 PRESSURE AND THEY LOST 10 1017 00:36:33,001 --> 00:36:34,000 POUNDS, THE BLOOD PRESSURE GOT BETTER. 1018 00:36:34,001 --> 00:36:36,000 THEY REQUIRED LESS MEDICINE. 1019 00:36:36,001 --> 00:36:38,000 IF THEY HAD DIABETES, THE 1020 00:36:38,001 --> 00:36:40,000 DIABETES BECAME 1021 00:36:40,001 --> 00:36:42,000 CONTROL OR IN SOME CASES 1022 00:36:42,001 --> 00:36:44,000 DIABETES WOULD GO COMPLETELY AWAY. 1023 00:36:44,001 --> 00:36:46,000 NOW THERE ARE WAYS YOU CAN 1024 00:36:46,001 --> 00:36:48,000 INCENTIVIZE HEALTHY LIFESTYLES. UNDETHE CURRENT LAW, 1025 00:36:48,001 --> 00:36:51,000 COMPANIES ARE ALLOWED TO 1026 00:36:51,001 --> 00:36:53,000 DECREASE BY UP TO 20% THE 1027 00:36:53,001 --> 00:36:55,000 PREMIUMS THEY CHARGE THEIR 1028 00:36:55,001 --> 00:36:57,000 EMPLOYEES IF THE EMPLOYEE 1029 00:36:57,001 --> 00:36:59,000 PARTICIPATES IN A WELLNESS PROGRAM. 1030 00:36:59,001 --> 00:37:02,000 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SAFEWAY, WHICH 1031 00:37:02,001 --> 00:37:03,000 IS A LARGE GROCERY STORE CHAIN 1032 00:37:03,001 --> 00:37:05,000 ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, HAD A 1033 00:37:05,001 --> 00:37:07,000 PROGRAM WHERE THEY WILL 1034 00:37:07,001 --> 00:37:09,000 DECREASE THEIR PREMIUM BY 20% 1035 00:37:09,001 --> 00:37:11,000 FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO 1036 00:37:11,001 --> 00:37:12,000 PARTICIPATE IN A SMOKING 1037 00:37:12,001 --> 00:37:15,000 CESSATION PROGRAM. 1038 00:37:15,001 --> 00:37:17,000 WHEN THEY DO SO THEY FIND THAT 1039 00:37:17,001 --> 00:37:18,000 PEOPLE SURPRISE, SURPRISE, STOP 1040 00:37:18,001 --> 00:37:22,000 SMOKING. 1041 00:37:22,001 --> 00:37:25,000 SIMILARLY, IF SOMEONE 1042 00:37:25,001 --> 00:37:26,000 EXERCISE PROGRAM OR DIETARY 1043 00:37:26,001 --> 00:37:29,000 PROGRAM TO LOSE WEIGHT AND IF 1044 00:37:29,001 --> 00:37:31,000 THEY LOSE WEIGHT, IF I RECALL, 1045 00:37:31,001 --> 00:37:32,000 THE PERSON JUST HAS TO JOIN THE 1046 00:37:32,001 --> 00:37:34,000 SMOKING CESSATION PROGRAM, 1047 00:37:34,001 --> 00:37:37,000 DON'T HAVE TO STOP SMOKING, BUT 1048 00:37:37,001 --> 00:37:38,000 JUST AS IT TURNS OUT PEOPLE IF 1049 00:37:38,001 --> 00:37:39,000 EXPOSED TO INFORMATION ACT ON 1050 00:37:39,001 --> 00:37:42,000 THAT INFORMATION AND THEY 1051 00:37:42,001 --> 00:37:44,000 ADJUST THEIR LIFESTYLE. 1052 00:37:44,001 --> 00:37:46,000 SO EITHER BY EXERCISE PROGRAM, 1053 00:37:46,001 --> 00:37:50,000 A DIETITIAN OR BY SMOKING 1054 00:37:50,001 --> 00:37:52,000 CESSATION PROGRAMS, BY 1055 00:37:52,001 --> 00:37:53,000 PARTICIPATING IN THESE THINK 1056 00:37:53,001 --> 00:37:57,000 WILL LOSE WEIGHT AND SAFEWAY 1057 00:37:57,001 --> 00:37:58,000 HAS KEPT THEIROST FOR THEIR 1058 00:37:58,001 --> 00:38:01,000 HEALTH INSURANCE CONSTANT WHERE 1059 00:38:01,001 --> 00:38:02,000 THERE HAS BEEN ABOUT A 7% TO 1060 00:38:02,001 --> 00:38:03,000 10% INFLATION RATE OVER THE 1061 00:38:03,001 --> 00:38:04,000 UNITED STATES. 1062 00:38:04,001 --> 00:38:08,000 I JUST M WITH A COMPANY BASED 1063 00:38:08,001 --> 00:38:10,000 IN MY HOMETOWN OF BATON ROUGE, 1064 00:38:10,001 --> 00:38:11,000 AND THEY HAVE HAD ABOUT A 10% 1065 00:38:11,001 --> 00:38:13,000 INFLATION RATE. 1066 00:38:13,001 --> 00:38:14,000 BUT THE LAST TWO YEARS AGO THEY 1067 00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:15,000 INSTITUTED A PROGRAM WHERE THEY 1068 00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:17,000 FIRST HAD ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES 1069 00:38:17,001 --> 00:38:18,000 COME IN FOR A HEALTH 1070 00:38:18,001 --> 00:38:20,000 ASSESSMENT. LAST YEAR THEY HAD ALL THEIR 1071 00:38:20,001 --> 00:38:21,000 EMPLOYEES COME IN FOR A HEALTH 1072 00:38:21,001 --> 00:38:22,000 ASSESSMENT. 1073 00:38:22,001 --> 00:38:24,000 FOR EXAMPLE, DO YOU SMOKE, ARE 1074 00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:25,000 YOU OVERWEIGHT, BUT ALSO A 1075 00:38:25,001 --> 00:38:27,000 PHYSICAL EXAM. 1076 00:38:27,001 --> 00:38:30,000 NEXT YEAR THEY ARE PUTTING IN 1077 00:38:30,001 --> 00:38:32,000 AS A COVER BENEFIT A SMOKING 1078 00:38:32,001 --> 00:38:34,000 CESSATION PROGRAM. 1079 00:38:34,001 --> 00:38:37,000 AND THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW -- 1080 00:38:37,001 --> 00:38:38,000 THIS IS IS A FOUR-YEAR PROCESS 1081 00:38:38,001 --> 00:38:39,000 -- TWO YEARS FROM NOW THEY ARE 1082 00:38:39,001 --> 00:38:41,000 GOING TO BE ALLOWED -- THEY ARE 1083 00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:42,000 GOING TO DECREASE PREMIUMS FOR 1084 00:38:42,001 --> 00:38:46,000 THOSWHO PARTICIPATE IN THESE 1085 00:38:46,001 --> 00:38:49,000 SMOKING CESSATION PROGRAMS. 1086 00:38:49,001 --> 00:38:52,000 THEIR PREMIUM COSTS, WHICH HAVE 1087 00:38:52,001 --> 00:38:54,000 BEEN INCREASING 7% TO 10% PER 1088 00:38:54,001 --> 00:38:55,000 YEAR, IS PROJECTED TO RISE ONLY 1089 00:38:55,001 --> 00:38:56,000 3% PER YEAR WHEN THEY INSTITUTE 1090 00:38:56,001 --> 00:39:00,000 THE FULL PROGRAM. 1091 00:39:00,001 --> 00:39:01,000 SO BY PUTTING IN OR 1092 00:39:01,001 --> 00:39:02,000 INCENTIVIZING HEALTHY 1093 00:39:02,001 --> 00:39:04,000 LIFESTYLES, THEY ARE GOING TO 1094 00:39:04,001 --> 00:39:05,000 LOWER THEIR INFLATION RATE TO 1095 00:39:05,001 --> 00:39:07,000 3% PER YEAR. 1096 00:39:07,001 --> 00:39:10,000 NOW, H.R. 3962 ACTUALLY WEAKENS 1097 00:39:10,001 --> 00:39:12,000 THESE PROVISIONS. 1098 00:39:12,001 --> 00:39:16,000 REPUBLICAN A 1099 00:39:16,001 --> 00:39:18,000 IN COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE 1100 00:39:18,001 --> 00:39:20,000 INCREASED THE AMOUNT AN 1101 00:39:20,001 --> 00:39:21,000 EMPLOYEE COULD SAVE IF SHE 1102 00:39:21,001 --> 00:39:22,000 PARTICIPATED IN A WELLNESS 1103 00:39:22,001 --> 00:39:24,000 PROGRAM. 1104 00:39:24,001 --> 00:39:26,000 BUT THESE WERE DEFEATED 1105 00:39:26,001 --> 00:39:30,000 BASICALLY ON PARTY LINE VOTES. 1106 00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:33,000 SIMILARLY, THERE IS A 1107 00:39:33,001 --> 00:39:37,000 DISASSOCIATION IN H.R. 3962 1108 00:39:37,001 --> 00:39:39,000 FROM WHAT A COMPANY CAN DO TO 1109 00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:41,000 INCENTIVIZE HEALTHY LIFESTYLES 1110 00:39:41,001 --> 00:39:45,000 AND HOW THIS PROVISION WORKS. 1111 00:39:45,001 --> 00:39:48,000 AS AN EXAMPLE, H.R. 3962 1112 00:39:48,001 --> 00:39:52,000 REQUIRES THAT A COMPANY PAY AT 1113 00:39:52,001 --> 00:39:55,000 LEAST 72.5% OF AN EMPLOYEE'S 1114 00:39:55,001 --> 00:39:57,000 INSURANCE 1115 00:39:57,001 --> 00:39:59,000 WELL, IF YOU GOT TO PAY AT 1116 00:39:59,001 --> 00:40:02,000 LEAST 72.5%, THAT LIMITS THE 1117 00:40:02,001 --> 00:40:03,000 AMOUNT YOU CAN DECREASE IN 1118 00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:05,000 ORDER TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY 1119 00:40:05,001 --> 00:40:08,000 TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR WELLNESS PROGRAM. 1120 00:40:08,001 --> 00:40:09,000 NOW, THE W YOU COULD SAY IT 1121 00:40:09,001 --> 00:40:11,000 IS, IF SOMEONE PARTICIPATES IN 1122 00:40:11,001 --> 00:40:13,000 A WELLNESS PROGRAM, YOU WOULD 1123 00:40:13,001 --> 00:40:16,000 PAY 72.5%. 1124 00:40:16,001 --> 00:40:18,000 BUT IF THEY DO NOT, YOU ARE 1125 00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:20,000 ALLOWED TO DECREASE YOUR 1126 00:40:20,001 --> 00:40:21,000 CONTRIBUTION TO 68%. 1127 00:40:21,001 --> 00:40:23,000 NOW, I'M NOT SAYING 1128 00:40:23,001 --> 00:40:24,000 TO STOP SMOKING. 1129 00:40:24,001 --> 00:40:25,000 I'M YING THEY HAVE TO FARPT 1130 00:40:25,001 --> 00:40:27,000 IN THE WELLNESS PROGRAM TO STOP 1131 00:40:27,001 --> 00:40:29,000 -- PARTICIPATE IN THE WELLNESS 1132 00:40:29,001 --> 00:40:31,000 PROGRAM TO STOP SMOKING. 1133 00:40:31,001 --> 00:40:32,000 SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO 1134 00:40:32,001 --> 00:40:34,000 BUT MOST PEOPLE GIVEN THE FACTS 1135 00:40:34,001 --> 00:40:36,000 WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO. 1136 00:40:36,001 --> 00:40:38,000 SO IF ONE OF OUR THREE 1137 00:40:38,001 --> 00:40:39,000 IMPERATIVES -- IF ONE OF OUR 1138 00:40:39,001 --> 00:40:42,000 THREE IMPERATIVES IS LOWERING 1139 00:40:42,001 --> 00:40:43,000 HEALTH CARE COSTS, IS TO 1140 00:40:43,001 --> 00:40:44,000 INCENTIVIZE HEALTHY LIFESTYLE, 1141 00:40:44,001 --> 00:40:47,000 WE SEE SOME OF THE PROGRAMS 1142 00:40:47,001 --> 00:40:50,000 WHICH ARE NOW WORKING WELL ARE 1143 00:40:50,001 --> 00:40:51,000 -- OR GUTTED OR MADE LESS ABLE 1144 00:40:51,001 --> 00:40:52,000 TO WORK EFFECTIVELY UNDER THE 1145 00:40:52,001 --> 00:41:00,000 BILL WE JUST PASSED. 1146 00:41:00,001 --> 00:41:02,000 . 1147 00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:04,000 AS AS PHYSICIAN, I WILL TELL YOU 1148 00:41:04,001 --> 00:41:06,000 WHAT IS DRIVING THE COST OF 1149 00:41:06,001 --> 00:41:09,000 HEALTH CARE IN THE UNITED STATES 1150 00:41:09,001 --> 00:41:11,000 IS THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH 1151 00:41:11,001 --> 00:41:13,000 DIABETES, HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, 1152 00:41:13,001 --> 00:41:15,000 AND STROKE. 1153 00:41:15,001 --> 00:41:17,000 THE PREVALENCE OF THESE DISEASES 1154 00:41:17,001 --> 00:41:19,000 IS MUCH MORE IN OUR COUNTRY, 1155 00:41:19,001 --> 00:41:21,000 THAT THERE IS ONE ARTICLE OUT 1156 00:41:21,001 --> 00:41:22,000 THERE THAT THE DIFFERENTIAL 1157 00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:25,000 BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND 1158 00:41:25,001 --> 00:41:28,000 EUROPE IS BECAUSE THE INCREASED 1159 00:41:28,001 --> 00:41:31,000 EXPENSE OF TREATING THESE 1160 00:41:31,001 --> 00:41:34,000 DISEASES SUCH AS DIABETES, HIGH 1161 00:41:34,001 --> 00:41:39,000 CHOLESTEROL, STROKE, HEART 1162 00:41:39,001 --> 00:41:41,000 DISEASE, THEY ALL COME UNDER A 1163 00:41:41,001 --> 00:41:43,000 METABOLIC SYNDROME, IF I'M 1164 00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:45,000 ALLOWED TO SPEAK AS A PHYSICIAN. 1165 00:41:45,001 --> 00:41:52,000 IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO I 1166 00:41:52,001 --> 00:41:55,000 SENTTIVIZE A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE, 1167 00:41:55,001 --> 00:41:58,000 THEN WE WILL NEVER ACHIEVE ONE 1168 00:41:58,001 --> 00:42:00,000 OF OUR PRINCIPLE THREE 1169 00:42:00,001 --> 00:42:02,000 WHICH IS TO CONTROL COSTS. 1170 00:42:02,001 --> 00:42:04,000 BECAUSE AGAIN WORKING IN A 1171 00:42:04,001 --> 00:42:06,000 PUBLIC HOSPITAL AGAIN, I HAVE 1172 00:42:06,001 --> 00:42:08,000 LEARNED IF YOU DO NOT CONTROL 1173 00:42:08,001 --> 00:42:10,000 COSTS, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE 1174 00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:12,000 ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO EXPAND 1175 00:42:12,001 --> 00:42:14,000 ACCESS TO QUALITY CARE. 1176 00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:17,000 AND ACCORDING TO THE INDEPENDENT 1177 00:42:17,001 --> 00:42:21,000 SOURCES, THE "WASHINGTON POST," 1178 00:42:21,001 --> 00:42:23,000 "NEW YORK TIMES", CHINA, THIS 1179 00:42:23,001 --> 00:42:24,000 BILL BEFORE US HAS SIGNIFICANT 1180 00:42:24,001 --> 00:42:26,000 ISSUES WITH REGARD TO ITS 1181 00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:28,000 ABILITY TO CONTROL COSTS. 1182 00:42:28,001 --> 00:42:31,000 INDEED, CENTERS FOR MEDICARE AND 1183 00:42:31,001 --> 00:42:33,000 MEDICAID SERVICES, THE FEDERAL 1184 00:42:33,001 --> 00:42:34,000 GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY PAYING FOR 1185 00:42:34,001 --> 00:42:36,000 MEDICARE, THE HEALTH CARE 1186 00:42:36,001 --> 00:42:38,000 PROGRAM FOR FOLKS 65 AND ABOVE 1187 00:42:38,001 --> 00:42:40,000 AND A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR 1188 00:42:40,001 --> 00:42:42,000 MEDICAID, THE STATE FEDERAL 1189 00:42:42,001 --> 00:42:43,000 PROGRAM FOR THE POOR IN EACH 1190 00:42:43,001 --> 00:42:47,000 STATE. 1191 00:42:47,001 --> 00:42:48,000 AND THERE IS A NEW STUDY, U.S. 1192 00:42:48,001 --> 00:42:51,000 GOVERNMENT CENTERS FOR MEDICARE 1193 00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:53,000 AND MEDICAID SERVICES, SAID THAT 1194 00:42:53,001 --> 00:42:55,000 THE HEALTH CARE REFORMBILL 1195 00:42:55,001 --> 00:42:57,000 RECENTLY PASSED IN THE HOUSE OF 1196 00:42:57,001 --> 00:42:59,000 REPRESENTATIVES WILL INCREASE, 1197 00:42:59,001 --> 00:43:03,000 WILL INCREASE HEALTH CARE 1198 00:43:03,001 --> 00:43:05,000 SPENDING TO 21.3% OFO 1199 00:43:05,001 --> 00:43:07,000 DOMESTIC PRODUCT COMPARED TO 1200 00:43:07,001 --> 00:43:10,000 20.8% UNDER CURRENT LAW. 1201 00:43:10,001 --> 00:43:13,000 BENDING THE CURVE THE WRONG WAY. 1202 00:43:13,001 --> 00:43:15,000 IF THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE DO 1203 00:43:15,001 --> 00:43:17,000 NOT 1204 00:43:17,001 --> 00:43:19,000 THAT COSTS WILL DOUBLE, AS IT 1205 00:43:19,001 --> 00:43:21,000 TURNS OUT UNDER THE REFORM 1206 00:43:21,001 --> 00:43:23,000 PACKAGE PASSED A WEEK AGO IN 1207 00:43:23,001 --> 00:43:24,000 THIS CHAMBER, WILL COST MORE 1208 00:43:24,001 --> 00:43:26,000 THAN DOUBLE. 1209 00:43:26,001 --> 00:43:29,000 AS CRAZY AS IT SOUNDS, THE 1210 00:43:29,001 --> 00:43:30,000 REFORM BILL WE PASSED, ACORDING 1211 00:43:30,001 --> 00:43:34,000 TO THE INDEPENDENT CENTERS FOR 1212 00:43:34,001 --> 00:43:36,000 MEDICARE AND MEDICAID SERVICES, 1213 00:43:36,001 --> 00:43:37,000 THE REFORM WILL COST MORE THAN 1214 00:43:37,001 --> 00:43:40,000 THE STATUS QUO. 1215 00:43:40,001 --> 00:43:41,000 AND I KEP SAYING THAT BECAUSE 1216 00:43:41,001 --> 00:43:42,000 THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE HAVE TO 1217 00:43:42,001 --> 00:43:46,000 CONTROL COSTS. 1218 00:43:46,001 --> 00:43:48,000 AND ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL 1219 00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:50,000 MORE THAN THE STATUS QUO. 1220 00:43:50,001 --> 00:43:53,000 AT A MINIMUM, AT A MINIMUM, 1221 00:43:53,001 --> 00:43:56,000 REFORM SHOULDN'T COST MORE THAN 1222 00:43:56,001 --> 00:43:57,000 STATUS QUO AND SHURNT BEND THE 1223 00:43:57,001 --> 00:43:58,000 CURVE THE WRONG WAY BUT THE 1224 00:43:58,001 --> 00:44:03,000 RIGHT WAY. 1225 00:44:03,001 --> 00:44:04,000 IN ADDITION, THEY GIVE CLEAR 1226 00:44:04,001 --> 00:44:07,000 COST ESTIMATES THAN THE ONE 1227 00:44:07,001 --> 00:44:08,000 PREVIOUSLY GIVEN BY THE 1228 00:44:08,001 --> 00:44:11,000 CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. 1229 00:44:11,001 --> 00:44:13,000 THE 10-YEAR COST OF THE PLAN WAS 1230 00:44:13,001 --> 00:44:15,000 $894 BILLION, BUT THE ANALYSIS 1231 00:44:15,001 --> 00:44:16,000 INCLUDED VERY LITTLE GOVERNMENT 1232 00:44:16,001 --> 00:44:19,000 SPENDING. 1233 00:44:19,001 --> 00:44:21,000 ACCORDING TO THE CENTERS FOR 1234 00:44:21,001 --> 00:44:24,000 MEDICAID AND MEDICARE SERVICES, 1235 00:44:24,001 --> 00:44:28,000 THE HOUSE APPROACH WILL COST $1 1236 00:44:28,001 --> 00:44:32,000 TRILLION FROM 2013 TO 219 OR 1237 00:44:32,001 --> 00:44:33,000 SOME $140 BILLION A YEAR WHEN 1238 00:44:33,001 --> 00:44:36,000 PUT INTO EFFECT. 1239 00:44:36,001 --> 00:44:38,000 SO, IN SEVEN YEARS, IT WILL COST 1240 00:44:38,001 --> 00:44:40,000 $1 TRILLION. 1241 00:44:40,001 --> 00:44:43,000 CLEARLY, IF THE GOALS OF HEALTH 1242 00:44:43,001 --> 00:44:46,000 CARE REFORM ARE TO CONTROL COSTS 1243 00:44:46,001 --> 00:44:48,000 SO WE CAN EXPAND ACCESS TO 1244 00:44:48,001 --> 00:44:51,000 QUALITY CARE, ACCORDING TO OUR 1245 00:44:51,001 --> 00:44:53,000 GOVERNMENT, THE CHINESE 1246 00:44:53,001 --> 00:44:55,000 GOVERNMENT, TWO NEWSPAPERS, THIS 1247 00:44:55,001 --> 00:44:56,000 BILL DOES NOT DO 1248 00:44:56,001 --> 00:44:59,000 WHAT DOES IT D? 1249 00:44:59,001 --> 00:45:01,000 ONE THING IT DOES IS IT TAKES 1250 00:45:01,001 --> 00:45:04,000 POWER AWAY FROM PATIENTS AND IT 1251 00:45:04,001 --> 00:45:07,000 TURNS IT OVER TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 1252 00:45:07,001 --> 00:45:09,000 NOW, IT'S GOING TO SOUND LIKE 1253 00:45:09,001 --> 00:45:10,000 RHETORIC, SO 1254 00:45:10,001 --> 00:45:12,000 AS A PHYSICIAN WHO HAS WORKED 1255 00:45:12,001 --> 00:45:13,000 WITH THE UNINSURED, I LEARNED 1256 00:45:13,001 --> 00:45:15,000 THAT WHEN YOU PUT THE PATIENT IN 1257 00:45:15,001 --> 00:45:17,000 THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS, IF 1258 00:45:17,001 --> 00:45:19,000 YOU SAID THE MOST IMPORTANT HERE 1259 00:45:19,001 --> 00:45:22,000 IS THE PATIENT, THEN ACTUALLY 1260 00:45:22,001 --> 00:45:25,000 YOU TEND TO LOWER COSTS AND HAVE 1261 00:45:25,001 --> 00:45:27,000 IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT 1262 00:45:27,001 --> 00:45:29,000 PROGRAM, WHICH LOWERS SOMEONE'S 1263 00:45:29,001 --> 00:45:31,000 PREMIUMS 20% IF SHE PARTICIPATES 1264 00:45:31,001 --> 00:45:33,000 IN A WELLNESS PROGRAM, IT PUTS 1265 00:45:33,001 --> 00:45:35,000 THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMEONE'S 1266 00:45:35,001 --> 00:45:37,000 HEALTH ON THE PERSON WITH THE 1267 00:45:37,001 --> 00:45:38,000 GREATEST ABILITY TO MAKE A 1268 00:45:38,001 --> 00:45:39,000 CHANGE. 1269 00:45:39,001 --> 00:45:42,000 THAT IS THE PATIENT. 1270 00:45:42,001 --> 00:45:44,000 IF SHE IS FINANCIALLY REWARDED, 1271 00:45:44,001 --> 00:45:46,000 IF SHE IS FINANCIALLY REWARDED 1272 00:45:46,001 --> 00:45:48,000 FOR HAVING A HEALTHIER 1273 00:45:48,001 --> 00:45:50,000 LIFESTYLE, AS IT TURNS OUT, 1274 00:45:50,001 --> 00:45:51,000 SHE'LL HAVE A HEALTHIER 1275 00:45:51,001 --> 00:45:53,000 LIFESTYLE. 1276 00:45:53,001 --> 00:45:56,000 NOT ONLY WILL SHE BE HEALTHIER, 1277 00:45:56,001 --> 00:45:58,000 SHE WILL HAVE LOWER 1278 00:45:58,001 --> 00:46:00,000 FRANKLY, THOSE LOWER COSTS AMONG 1279 00:46:00,001 --> 00:46:02,000 MILLIONS OF PATIENTS, IF YOU 1280 00:46:02,001 --> 00:46:03,000 WILL, LOWERS THE COST FOR THE 1281 00:46:03,001 --> 00:46:08,000 SYSTEM. 1282 00:46:08,001 --> 00:46:09,000 THERE'S ONE WAY TO EXPLAIN THIS. 1283 00:46:09,001 --> 00:46:10,000 THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED HEALTH 1284 00:46:10,001 --> 00:46:11,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNTS. 1285 00:46:11,001 --> 00:46:13,000 IN A 1286 00:46:13,001 --> 00:46:15,000 PUT THE PATIENT IN THE MIDDLE F 1287 00:46:15,001 --> 00:46:16,000 THE PROCESS IN THE FOLOWING 1288 00:46:16,001 --> 00:46:17,000 FASHION. 1289 00:46:17,001 --> 00:46:19,000 THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT TAKES 1290 00:46:19,001 --> 00:46:21,000 THE MONEY THAT A FAMILY WOULD 1291 00:46:21,001 --> 00:46:23,000 NORMALLY SPEND FOA HEALTH CARE 1292 00:46:23,001 --> 00:46:26,000 PREMIUM, IT SLICES OFF A PORTION 1293 00:46:26,001 --> 00:46:28,000 OF IT AND PUTS IT INTO A BANK ACCOUNT. 1294 00:46:28,001 --> 00:46:29,000 WITH A TRADITIONAL INSURANCE 1295 00:46:29,001 --> 00:46:32,000 POLICY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 1296 00:46:32,001 --> 00:46:34,000 YEAR, A FAMILY OF FOUR PUTS UP 1297 00:46:34,001 --> 00:46:35,000 $12,000 AND AT THE END OF THE 1298 00:46:35,001 --> 00:46:40,000 YEATHEY HAVE NOT SEEN A DOCTOR 1299 00:46:40,001 --> 00:46:42,000 AND PUT UP ANOTHER $12,000 FOR 1300 00:46:42,001 --> 00:46:44,000 AND EVERY YEAR THEY PUT UP 1301 00:46:44,001 --> 00:46:46,000 ANOTHER $12,000. 1302 00:46:46,001 --> 00:46:48,000 IN A HEALTH SAVINGS ACOUNT, YOU 1303 00:46:48,001 --> 00:46:50,000 SLICE OFF A PORTION AND PUT IT 1304 00:46:50,001 --> 00:46:52,000 INTO AN ACCOUNT. 1305 00:46:52,001 --> 00:46:54,000 THAT MONEY COMES FROM THE MONEY 1306 00:46:54,001 --> 00:46:55,000 YOU WOULD ORDINARILY BE 1307 00:46:55,001 --> 00:46:58,000 SPENDING IT FOR A PREMIUM. 1308 00:46:58,001 --> 00:46:59,000 BUT INSTEAD, YOU PUT IT IN THIS 1309 00:46:59,001 --> 00:47:01,000 BANK ACCOUNT. 1310 00:47:01,001 --> 00:47:03,000 INSTEAD OF ASKING THE INSURANCE 1311 00:47:03,001 --> 00:47:06,000 COMPANY TO PAY FOR A FLU SHOT, 1312 00:47:06,001 --> 00:47:07,000 YOU PAY FOR IT OUT OF THE BANK 1313 00:47:07,001 --> 00:47:09,000 ACCOUNT. 1314 00:47:09,001 --> 00:47:11,000 INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR ARTHRITIS 1315 00:47:11,001 --> 00:47:12,000 MEDICINE, YOU PAY FOR IT OUT OF 1316 00:47:12,001 --> 00:47:13,000 THE BANK ACCOUNT. 1317 00:47:13,001 --> 00:47:15,000 THE ADVANTAGE IS, AT THE END OF 1318 00:47:15,001 --> 00:47:18,000 THE YEAR, IF YOU HAVE MONEY LEFT 1319 00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:21,000 OVER, INSTEAD OF LOSING IT, IT 1320 00:47:21,001 --> 00:47:24,000 ROLLS OVER UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR. 1321 00:47:24,001 --> 00:47:26,000 OR IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER 1322 00:47:26,001 --> 00:47:28,000 WHOSE COSTS ARE EXCESSIVE, YOU 1323 00:47:28,001 --> 00:47:30,000 CAN DONATE PORTIONS OF YOUR 1324 00:47:30,001 --> 00:47:31,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT TO YOUR 1325 00:47:31,001 --> 00:47:34,000 FAMILY MEMBER. 1326 00:47:34,001 --> 00:47:37,000 SO WITH THAT MONEY, IT IS MONEY 1327 00:47:37,001 --> 00:47:38,000 THAT YOU ARE INCENTIVIZED TO 1328 00:47:38,001 --> 00:47:40,000 SPEND WISELY. 1329 00:47:40,001 --> 00:47:42,000 TWO PATIENTS COME TO MIND - 1330 00:47:42,001 --> 00:47:43,000 THREE PATIENTS. 1331 00:47:43,001 --> 00:47:45,000 THERE IS ONE PATIENT WHO HAS A 1332 00:47:45,001 --> 00:47:46,000 TRADITIONAL INSURANCE POLICY AND 1333 00:47:46,001 --> 00:47:48,000 A VERY NICE WOMAN. 1334 00:47:48,001 --> 00:47:50,000 AND SHE HAS AN EXPENSIVE POLICY 1335 00:47:50,001 --> 00:47:52,000 AND SHE IS A WOMAN OF MEANS AND 1336 00:47:52,001 --> 00:47:56,000 SHE SAYS I NEVER LOOK AT THE BILL. 1337 00:47:56,001 --> 00:47:57,000 IF THE DOCTOR WRITES ME A 1338 00:47:57,001 --> 00:47:58,000 NAME-BRAND DRUG, MY INSURANCE 1339 00:47:58,001 --> 00:48:00,000 PAYS FOR IT. 1340 00:48:00,001 --> 00:48:02,000 WHEN IGET A BILL FROM E 1341 00:48:02,001 --> 00:48:03,000 HOSPITAL, I DON'T LOOK AT IT 1342 00:48:03,001 --> 00:48:04,000 BECAUSE THE INSURANCE PAYS FOR 1343 00:48:04,001 --> 00:48:06,000 IT. 1344 00:48:06,001 --> 00:48:09,000 BECAUSE THE INSURANCE PAYS FOR 1345 00:48:09,001 --> 00:48:10,000 EVERYTHING, SHE LIKES THE 1346 00:48:10,001 --> 00:48:12,000 INSURANCE POLICY BUT HAS THE 1347 00:48:12,001 --> 00:48:14,000 MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. 1348 00:48:14,001 --> 00:48:16,000 CONTRAST THAT WITH THE GENTLEMAN 1349 00:48:16,001 --> 00:48:18,000 I'M ABOUT TO DESCRIBE. 1350 00:48:18,001 --> 00:48:20,000 HE SAYS I WENT TO MY DOCTOR AND 1351 00:48:20,001 --> 00:48:22,000 HE WROTE A PRESCRIPTIOFOR A 1352 00:48:22,001 --> 00:48:25,000 MEDICINE THAT I KNEW BY 1353 00:48:25,001 --> 00:48:30,000 EXPERIENCE WOULD COST $159. 1354 00:48:30,001 --> 00:48:34,000 NOW, NOTICE, HE DIDN'T SAY $160, 1355 00:48:34,001 --> 00:48:38,000 BUT SAID $159 BECAUSE HE IS 1356 00:48:38,001 --> 00:48:40,000 PAYING THIS OUT OF HIS ACOUNT. 1357 00:48:40,001 --> 00:48:42,000 I SAID, DOCTOR, I HAVE A HEALTH 1358 00:48:42,001 --> 00:48:46,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNT, DO YOU MIND 1359 00:48:46,001 --> 00:48:49,000 WRITING SOMETHING CHEAPER? 1360 00:48:49,001 --> 00:48:51,000 AND HE WROTE IT FOR GENERIC. 1361 00:48:51,001 --> 00:48:54,000 WHY DIDN'T THE DOCTOR W 1362 00:48:54,001 --> 00:48:56,000 THEEN ERIC IN THE FIRST PLACE? 1363 00:48:56,001 --> 00:48:57,000 WHO IS MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR AN 1364 00:48:57,001 --> 00:48:59,000 INDIVIDUAL'S HEALTH? 1365 00:48:59,001 --> 00:49:01,000 THE PERSON MOST RESPONSIBLE FOR 1366 00:49:01,001 --> 00:49:02,000 AN INDIVIDUAL'S HEALTH IS THAT 1367 00:49:02,001 --> 00:49:04,000 INDIVIDUAL. 1368 00:49:04,001 --> 00:49:06,000 AND SO, JUST LIKE IF I WERE TO 1369 00:49:06,001 --> 00:49:09,000 GO TO TARGET OR WAL-MART AND SAY 1370 00:49:09,001 --> 00:49:11,000 OK, I'M GOING TO BUY SCHOOL 1371 00:49:11,001 --> 00:49:13,000 UNIFORMS FOR MY CHILDREN, IT'S 1372 00:49:13,001 --> 00:49:15,000 NOT TARGET'S RESPONSIBILITY TO 1373 00:49:15,001 --> 00:49:17,000 WAL-MART. 1374 00:49:17,001 --> 00:49:19,000 IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE 1375 00:49:19,001 --> 00:49:21,000 WHO IS CHEAPER AND THEN TO GO TO 1376 00:49:21,001 --> 00:49:26,000 THE PLACE WHO GIVES ME THE BEST 1377 00:49:26,001 --> 00:49:28,000 VALUE FOR MY MONEY. 1378 00:49:28,001 --> 00:49:29,000 AND FRANKLY, WITH THAT 1379 00:49:29,001 --> 00:49:30,000 RESPONSI 1380 00:49:30,001 --> 00:49:32,000 RESPONDED. 1381 00:49:32,001 --> 00:49:37,000 INSTEAD OF GETTING THE MEDICINE 1382 00:49:37,001 --> 00:49:45,000 THAT COST $159, HE GOT THE 1383 00:49:45,001 --> 00:49:47,000 MECINE THAT COST $1 -- $20. 1384 00:49:47,001 --> 00:49:50,000 THE SYSTEM SAVED $139. 1385 00:49:50,001 --> 00:49:54,000 IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT, THEN THE 1386 00:49:54,001 --> 00:49:55,000 SYSTEM SAFES MILLIONS AND EVEN 1387 00:49:55,001 --> 00:49:57,000 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 1388 00:49:57,001 --> 00:50:00,000 WE HAVE GONE FROM THE INDIVIDUAL 1389 00:50:00,001 --> 00:50:01,000 PATIENT, LET'S TALK ABOUT A 1390 00:50:01,001 --> 00:50:03,000 STUDY. 1391 00:50:03,001 --> 00:50:05,000 KAISER FAM 1392 00:50:05,001 --> 00:50:06,000 OF CENTER GROUP RKTS BUT A GOOD 1393 00:50:06,001 --> 00:50:09,000 GROUP, THEY COMPARED THE COST 1394 00:50:09,001 --> 00:50:12,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR WHICH HAD A 1395 00:50:12,001 --> 00:50:14,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACOUNT WITH A 1396 00:50:14,001 --> 00:50:16,000 CATASTROPHIC POLICY ON TOP, SO 1397 00:50:16,001 --> 00:50:17,000 IF THEY HAD A LIVER TRANSPLANT 1398 00:50:17,001 --> 00:50:20,000 THAT EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT OF 1399 00:50:20,001 --> 00:50:21,000 MONEY IN THEIR ACOUNT, THE 1400 00:50:21,001 --> 00:50:23,000 CATASTROPHIC POLICY PICKS IT UP 1401 00:50:23,001 --> 00:50:25,000 ON THE TOP END AND COMPARED IT 1402 00:50:25,001 --> 00:50:26,000 WITH THE COST OF A TRADITIONAL 1403 00:50:26,001 --> 00:50:27,000 INSURANCE POLICY FOR A FAMILY OF 1404 00:50:27,001 --> 00:50:29,000 FOUR. 1405 00:50:29,001 --> 00:50:32,000 THEY FOUND THAT THE FAMILY OF 1406 00:50:32,001 --> 00:50:34,000 FOUR WITH THE HEALTH SAVINGS 1407 00:50:34,001 --> 00:50:36,000 ACCOUNT AND THE CATASTROPHIC 1408 00:50:36,001 --> 00:50:39,000 POLICY ON TOP, THEY FOUND THAT 1409 00:50:39,001 --> 00:50:40,000 THAT FAMILY'S COST OF THAT 1410 00:50:40,001 --> 00:50:44,000 H.S.A. AND CATASTROPHIC POLICY 1411 00:50:44,001 --> 00:50:45,000 WAS 30% CHEAPE THAN THE COST OF 1412 00:50:45,001 --> 00:50:47,000 THE TRADITIONAL INSURANCE POLICY 1413 00:50:47,001 --> 00:50:49,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR. 1414 00:50:49,001 --> 00:50:51,000 AND THEY FOUND THAT BOTH 1415 00:50:51,001 --> 00:50:53,000 FAMILIES USED 1416 00:50:53,001 --> 00:50:55,000 SERVICES AS FREQUENTLY. 1417 00:50:55,001 --> 00:50:57,000 SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, IF OUR 1418 00:50:57,001 --> 00:50:59,000 GOAL OF HEALTH CARE REFORM ARE 1419 00:50:59,001 --> 00:51:02,000 TO CONTROL COSTS TO EXPAND 1420 00:51:02,001 --> 00:51:04,000 ACCESS TO QUALITY CARE BY 1421 00:51:04,001 --> 00:51:06,000 LOWERING PREMIUMS -- THE KAISER 1422 00:51:06,001 --> 00:51:08,000 FAMILY FOUNDATION FOUND THAT THE 1423 00:51:08,001 --> 00:51:10,000 FAMILY WITH THE H.S.A. AND 1424 00:51:10,001 --> 00:51:12,000 CATASTROPHIC POLICY, THEIR COSTS 1425 00:51:12,001 --> 00:51:14,000 WERE 30% CHEAPER COMPARED TO 1426 00:51:14,001 --> 00:51:20,000 TRADITIONAL INSURANCE AND ALSO 1427 00:51:20,001 --> 00:51:22,000 FOUND THAT 27% OF THOSE PEOPLE 1428 00:51:22,001 --> 00:51:25,000 WERE PREVIOUSLY UNINSURED. 1429 00:51:25,001 --> 00:51:28,000 50% OF THESE PEOPLE HAD FAMILY 1430 00:51:28,001 --> 00:51:31,000 INCOMES OF $50,000 OR LESS AND 1431 00:51:31,001 --> 00:51:34,000 60% OF SUCH FAMILIES HAD FAMILY 1432 00:51:34,001 --> 00:51:37,000 INCOMES OF $70,000 OR LESS. 1433 00:51:37,001 --> 00:51:40,000 SO BY CONTROLLING COSTS, THE 1434 00:51:40,001 --> 00:51:41,000 H.S.A., CATASTROPHIC POLICY, 30% 1435 00:51:41,001 --> 00:51:42,000 CHEAPER. 1436 00:51:42,001 --> 00:51:44,000 BY CONTROLLING COSTS, THOSE 1437 00:51:44,001 --> 00:51:47,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY 1438 00:51:47,001 --> 00:51:51,000 UNINSURED, 27% OF THE FOLKS WITH 1439 00:51:51,001 --> 00:51:52,000 THESE H.S.A.'S WERE PREVIOUSLY 1440 00:51:52,001 --> 00:51:54,000 UNINSURED, ARE ABLE TO PURCHASE 1441 00:51:54,001 --> 00:51:56,000 INSURANCE AND WITH THE INSURANCE 1442 00:51:56,001 --> 00:51:58,000 THEY ACCESS PREVENTIVE SERVICES 1443 00:51:58,001 --> 00:51:59,000 AS FREQUENTLY AS THOSE WITH 1444 00:51:59,001 --> 00:52:01,000 TRADITIONAL POLICIES. 1445 00:52:01,001 --> 00:52:03,000 SO THE GOALS OF REFORM WERE ACHIEVED. 1446 00:52:03,001 --> 00:52:05,000 LOWERED COSTS, EXPANDED ACCESS 1447 00:52:05,001 --> 00:52:07,000 TO QUALITY CARE. 1448 00:52:07,001 --> 00:52:09,000 NOW I HAVE BEEN JOINED BY MY 1449 00:52:09,001 --> 00:52:18,000 FRIEND, DR. FLEMING, WHO HAS A 1450 00:52:18,001 --> 00:52:20,000 NICE ANECDOTE. 1451 00:52:20,001 --> 00:52:22,000 MR. ARCURI: I SPEN 1452 00:52:22,001 --> 00:52:23,000 FROM THE COMMITTEE ON RULES FOR 1453 00:52:23,001 --> 00:52:24,000 FILING UNDER TH 1454 00:52:24,001 --> 00:52:25,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE 1455 00:52:25,001 --> 00:52:27,000 CLERK WILL REPORT THE TITLE. 1456 00:52:27,001 --> 00:52:29,000 THE CLERK: REPORT TO ACOMPANY 1457 00:52:29,001 --> 00:52:31,000 HOUSE RESOLUTION 908, RESOLUTION 1458 00:52:31,001 --> 00:52:34,000 PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF 1459 00:52:34,001 --> 00:52:39,000 THE BILL H.R. 2781, TO AMEND THE 1460 00:52:39,001 --> 00:52:41,000 WILD AND SCENEIC RIVERS'S ACT AS 1461 00:52:41,001 --> 00:52:43,000 COMPONENTS OF THE NATIONAL WILD 1462 00:52:43,001 --> 00:52:46,000 AND SEEN SCENEIC RIVER SYST. 1463 00:52:46,001 --> 00:52:47,000 REPORT TO ACCOMPANY HOUSE 1464 00:52:47,001 --> 00:52:49,000 RESOLUTION 909, RESOLUTION 1465 00:52:49,001 --> 00:52:52,000 PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF 1466 00:52:52,001 --> 00:52:55,000 THE BILL H.R. 3791 TO AMEND 1467 00:52:55,001 --> 00:52:57,000 SECTIONS 33 AND 34 OF THE 1468 00:52:57,001 --> 00:52:59,000 FEDERAL FIRE AND PREVENTION 1469 00:52:59,001 --> 00:53:00,000 CONTROL ACT AN FOR OTHER 1470 00:53:00,001 --> 00:53:01,000 PURPOSES. 1471 00:53:01,001 --> 00:53:02,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: 1472 00:53:02,001 --> 00:53:04,000 REFERRED TO THE HOUSE CALENDAR 1473 00:53:04,001 --> 00:53:06,000 AND ORDERED PRINTED. 1474 00:53:06,001 --> 00:53:09,000 MR. AR 1475 00:53:09,001 --> 00:53:12,000 AND I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR 1476 00:53:12,001 --> 00:53:14,000 THE COURTESY OF YIELDING. 1477 00:53:14,001 --> 00:53:15,000 MR. CASSIDY: I YIELD TO DR. 1478 00:53:15,001 --> 00:53:18,000 FLEMING. 1479 00:53:18,001 --> 00:53:20,000 WE WERE DISCUSSING COSTS. 1480 00:53:20,001 --> 00:53:22,000 IT IS SO ESSENTIAL. 1481 00:53:22,001 --> 00:53:24,000 WOULD YOU SHARE THAT ANECDOTE 1482 00:53:24,001 --> 00:53:26,000 WHEN YOUR GROUP WENT TO H.S.A.'S 1483 00:53:26,001 --> 00:53:35,000 BECAUSE THE TWO THINGS I HAVE 1484 00:53:35,001 --> 00:53:41,000 DISCUSSED SO FAR HAS BEEN THE - 1485 00:53:41,001 --> 00:53:44,000 INCENTIVIZING HEALTH AND 1486 00:53:44,001 --> 00:53:45,000 WELLNESS AND PEOPLE WITH COSTS, 1487 00:53:45,001 --> 00:53:50,000 YOUR ANECDOTE C 1488 00:53:50,001 --> 00:53:51,000 AND CAN I ASK YOU TO THEIR THAT? 1489 00:53:51,001 --> 00:53:53,000 MR. FLEMING: I THANK DR. 1490 00:53:53,001 --> 00:53:54,000 CASSIDY, MY COLLEAGUE FROM 1491 00:53:54,001 --> 00:53:56,000 LOUISIANA, DOING THE SPECIAL 1492 00:53:56,001 --> 00:53:59,000 ORDER TODAY AND AN OPPORTUNITY 1493 00:53:59,001 --> 00:54:00,000 TO SPEAK ON THAT VERY SUBJECT. 1494 00:54:00,001 --> 00:54:01,000 YES. 1495 00:54:01,001 --> 00:54:05,000 WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THE 1496 00:54:05,001 --> 00:54:07,000 CASE IN WHICH MY NONMEDICAL 1497 00:54:07,001 --> 00:54:09,000 COMPANIES SEEING HEALTH CARE 1498 00:54:09,001 --> 00:54:12,000 PREMIUMS RISING AN AVERAGE OF 1499 00:54:12,001 --> 00:54:15,000 10% TO 15% P YEAR AND WE FOUND 1500 00:54:15,001 --> 00:54:16,000 THAT TO BE AN UNSUSTAINABLE 1501 00:54:16,001 --> 00:54:18,000 INCREASE. 1502 00:54:18,001 --> 00:54:19,000 AND WE BEGAN TO ANALYZE WHAT ARE 1503 00:54:19,001 --> 00:54:20,000 THE CHOICES, WHAT ARE THE 1504 00:54:20,001 --> 00:54:22,000 OPTIONS. 1505 00:54:22,001 --> 00:54:23,000 MAYBE WE WOULD PAY LESS OF THE 1506 00:54:23,001 --> 00:54:24,000 PREMIUMS. 1507 00:54:24,001 --> 00:54:26,000 PERHAPS WE WOULD STOP THE 1508 00:54:26,001 --> 00:54:27,000 INSURANCE ALL TOGETHER. 1509 00:54:27,001 --> 00:54:28,000 WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT WE COULD 1510 00:54:28,001 --> 00:54:30,000 DO. 1511 00:54:30,001 --> 00:54:32,000 AND THEN I RECALL SOMETNG, AT 1512 00:54:32,001 --> 00:54:33,000 THAT TIME WAS A BRAND NEW 1513 00:54:33,001 --> 00:54:35,000 CONCEPT AND THAT WAS A HEALTH 1514 00:54:35,001 --> 00:54:38,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNT WHERE YOU LEFT 1515 00:54:38,001 --> 00:54:42,000 THE DEDUCTIBLE OF THE POLICY 1516 00:54:42,001 --> 00:54:43,000 A HIGHER LEVEL, SAVING PREMIUM 1517 00:54:43,001 --> 00:54:45,000 COST. 1518 00:54:45,001 --> 00:54:47,000 BUT THEN IN TURN, PUT THE 1519 00:54:47,001 --> 00:54:49,000 INCREMENTAL INCREASE THAT COMES 1520 00:54:49,001 --> 00:54:51,000 UP TO WHAT THE PREMIUM WOULD BE 1521 00:54:51,001 --> 00:54:54,000 INTOAL HEALTH SAVINGS ACOUNT. 1522 00:54:54,001 --> 00:54:55,000 SO WE BEGAN THAT ABOUT SIX YEARS 1523 00:54:55,001 --> 00:54:58,000 AGO. 1524 00:54:58,001 --> 00:55:02,000 WE BROUGHT THE DEDUCTIBLES UP TO 1525 00:55:02,001 --> 00:55:05,000 $3,000 AND EMPLOYEES WOULD GET 1526 00:55:05,001 --> 00:55:07,000 AS MUCH AS $50 A MONTH PUT INTO 1527 00:55:07,001 --> 00:55:08,000 THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT WHERE 1528 00:55:08,001 --> 00:55:12,000 THEY COULD PURCHASE ANY HEALTH 1529 00:55:12,001 --> 00:55:16,000 CARE SERVICE OR ITEM THEY NEEDED 1530 00:55:16,001 --> 00:55:18,000 PRE-TAX AND EXPLAINING THIS TO 1531 00:55:18,001 --> 00:55:20,000 MY EMPLOYEES HOWEVER AS WE 1532 00:55:20,001 --> 00:55:21,000 GATHERED THEM TOGETHER, I WANTED 1533 00:55:21,001 --> 00:55:22,000 TO BE SURE EVERYONE WAS ON THE 1534 00:55:22,001 --> 00:55:24,000 SAME PAGE. 1535 00:55:24,001 --> 00:55:26,000 I SUGGESTED TO THEM THIS IS THE 1536 00:55:26,001 --> 00:55:28,000 WAY WE PROBABLY WOULD GO BUT I 1537 00:55:28,001 --> 00:55:29,000 WANTED TO GET THE INPUT AS TO 1538 00:55:29,001 --> 00:55:31,000 THEIR CONCERNS. 1539 00:55:31,001 --> 00:55:35,000 AND WE HAD A LADY WHO SAID, YOU 1540 00:55:35,001 --> 00:55:38,000 KNOW, THE PROBLEM 1541 00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:40,000 MY INHALERS IF I HAVE TO PAY FOR 1542 00:55:40,001 --> 00:55:43,000 THEM OUT OF A HEALTH SAVINGS 1543 00:55:43,001 --> 00:55:45,000 ACCOUNT EACH MONTH, IT WILL COST 1544 00:55:45,001 --> 00:55:47,000 ME $150 A MONTH. 1545 00:55:47,001 --> 00:55:49,000 AND TRUE ENOUGH, THIS WOULD COME 1546 00:55:49,001 --> 00:55:50,000 OUT OF MY HEALTH SAVINGS 1547 00:55:50,001 --> 00:55:52,000 ACCOUNT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT 1548 00:55:52,001 --> 00:55:54,000 MY HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT WOULD 1549 00:55:54,001 --> 00:55:57,000 BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THAT. 1550 00:55:57,001 --> 00:55:58,000 I SAID, WELL, LET'S THINK THIS 1551 00:55:58,001 --> 00:56:00,000 THROUGH. 1552 00:56:00,001 --> 00:56:02,000 PERHAPS YOU SHOULD CONSIDER 1553 00:56:02,001 --> 00:56:04,000 DOING A SMOKING CESSATION 1554 00:56:04,001 --> 00:56:07,000 PROGRAM, STOP SMOKG AL 1555 00:56:07,001 --> 00:56:09,000 TOGETHER AND THROUGH AWAY YOUR 1556 00:56:09,001 --> 00:56:11,000 INHALERS AND SAVE MONEY ON THE 1557 00:56:11,001 --> 00:56:13,000 CIGARETTES AND SAVE MONEY ON THE 1558 00:56:13,001 --> 00:56:14,000 MONEY ACCUMLUATING IN YOUR 1559 00:56:14,001 --> 00:56:16,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. 1560 00:56:16,001 --> 00:56:19,000 MR. CASSIDY: BY CONNECTING HER 1561 00:56:19,001 --> 00:56:21,000 WITH COST, IF YOU WILL, YOU 1562 00:56:21,001 --> 00:56:22,000 INCENTIVIZING A HEALTHY 1563 00:56:22,001 --> 00:56:23,000 LIFESTYLE. 1564 00:56:23,001 --> 00:56:28,000 . 1565 00:56:28,001 --> 00:56:29,000 MR. FLEMING: YOU'RE EXACTLY 1566 00:56:29,001 --> 00:56:30,000 RIGHT, DR. CASSIDY. 1567 00:56:30,001 --> 00:56:32,000 WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS SAVING 1568 00:56:32,001 --> 00:56:34,000 HER MONEY AND SAVING HER LIFE. 1569 00:56:34,001 --> 00:56:36,000 THERE'S NO QU 1570 00:56:36,001 --> 00:56:38,000 DIRECT CORRELATION, AN INVERSE 1571 00:56:38,001 --> 00:56:43,000 CORRELATION BETWEEN THE USE OF 1572 00:56:43,001 --> 00:56:44,000 TOBACCO AND HEALTH BY THE SAME 1573 00:56:44,001 --> 00:56:47,000 CONTEXT IF YOU STOP SMOKING 1574 00:56:47,001 --> 00:56:49,000 THEN LIFE SPAN INCREASES. 1575 00:56:49,001 --> 00:56:52,000 SO WE FOUND IN VERY REAL TERMS 1576 00:56:52,001 --> 00:56:55,000 THAT IT SAVED PREMIUM COSTS, 1577 00:56:55,001 --> 00:56:57,000 BOTH TO THE EMPLOYER AND TO THE 1578 00:56:57,001 --> 00:56:59,000 INSTILLING THE 1579 00:56:59,001 --> 00:57:01,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND 1580 00:57:01,001 --> 00:57:03,000 ATTACHING BEHAVIOR WITH COST. 1581 00:57:03,001 --> 00:57:05,000 AND EVEN TODAY, WE RECEIVED 1582 00:57:05,001 --> 00:57:07,000 NOTICE ON OUR MOST RECENT NEW 1583 00:57:07,001 --> 00:57:09,000 POLICY FOR THE COMING YEAR, THE 1584 00:57:09,001 --> 00:57:11,000 INCREASE IS 3.5%, WHICH IS 1585 00:57:11,001 --> 00:57:13,000 REALLY AMAZING 1586 00:57:13,001 --> 00:57:15,000 HEALTH INSURANCE POLICIES. 1587 00:57:15,001 --> 00:57:16,000 MR. CASSIDY: IF THE GENTLEMAN 1588 00:57:16,001 --> 00:57:17,000 WILL YIELD. 1589 00:57:17,001 --> 00:57:19,000 YOU SAID THAT ALL OF YOUR 1590 00:57:19,001 --> 00:57:21,000 EMPLOYEES IN YOUR GROUP ARE ON 1591 00:57:21,001 --> 00:57:22,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS NOW? 1592 00:57:22,001 --> 00:57:24,000 MR. FLEMING: YES. 1593 00:57:24,001 --> 00:57:26,000 MR. CASSIDY: IF YOU CONTINUE TO 1594 00:57:26,001 --> 00:57:27,000 YIELD, WE HEAR THAT ONLY HEALTH 1595 00:57:27,001 --> 00:57:29,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNTS ARE ONLY FOR 1596 00:57:29,001 --> 00:57:33,000 THE WEALTHY. 1597 00:57:33,001 --> 00:57:36,000 YOU HEARD ME SAY THAT 27% WERE 1598 00:57:36,001 --> 00:57:39,000 PREVIOUSLY UNINSURED. 1599 00:57:39,001 --> 00:57:42,000 SO AS I 1600 00:57:42,001 --> 00:57:43,000 BACK NOW, YOUR BUSINESS IS A 1601 00:57:43,001 --> 00:57:45,000 SERVICE BUSINESS, SO I ASSUME 1602 00:57:45,001 --> 00:57:46,000 THAT PEOPLE ARE OF MODERATE 1603 00:57:46,001 --> 00:57:48,000 INCOME AND YET THIS IS A POLICY 1604 00:57:48,001 --> 00:57:49,000 THEY HAVE ALL CHOSEN. 1605 00:57:49,001 --> 00:57:51,000 SO UNLESS YOU TELL ME THAT ALL 1606 00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:53,000 THESE FOLKS ARE WEALTHY, IWILL 1607 00:57:53,001 --> 00:57:55,000 AST INDEED THIS IS 1608 00:57:55,001 --> 00:57:57,000 SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR MIDDLE 1609 00:57:57,001 --> 00:57:58,000 AMERICA, AND I YIELD BACK. 1610 00:57:58,001 --> 00:58:01,000 MR. FLEMING: WELL, THIS IS A 1611 00:58:01,001 --> 00:58:03,000 FAST FOOD BUSINESS. 1612 00:58:03,001 --> 00:58:05,000 IT'S A STEEP PYRAMID. 1613 00:58:05,001 --> 00:58:07,000 MIDDLE MANAGEMENT D THEN A 1614 00:58:07,001 --> 00:58:08,000 FEW HIGH-INCOME FOLKS. 1615 00:58:08,001 --> 00:58:10,000 REMEMBER, THE EMPLOYER IS 1616 00:58:10,001 --> 00:58:11,000 PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE HEALTH 1617 00:58:11,001 --> 00:58:13,000 SAVIS ACCOUNT. 1618 00:58:13,001 --> 00:58:14,000 NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE 1619 00:58:14,001 --> 00:58:15,000 PATIENT OR EMPLOYEE CAN'T ALSO 1620 00:58:15,001 --> 00:58:17,000 PUT SOME MONEY IN. 1621 00:58:17,001 --> 00:58:19,000 BUT THE LIONS SHARE WAS PUT IN 1622 00:58:19,001 --> 00:58:21,000 BY US AND THEN AFTER SIX YEARS 1623 00:58:21,001 --> 00:58:22,000 OR SO THOSE THAT HAVE TAKEN 1624 00:58:22,001 --> 00:58:25,000 GOOD CARE OF THEIR HEALTH AND 1625 00:58:25,001 --> 00:58:26,000 NOT WASTED THE HEALTH CARE 1626 00:58:26,001 --> 00:58:29,000 DOLLARS NOW HAVE SAVED AS MUCH 1627 00:58:29,001 --> 00:58:30,000 AS $15,000 TO $20,000 IN THEIR 1628 00:58:30,001 --> 00:58:35,000 FAMILY HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT 1629 00:58:35,001 --> 00:58:38,000 WHICH IS TRIPLE IF 1630 00:58:38,001 --> 00:58:40,000 QUADRUPLE THE PREMIUM ON THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE POLICY. 1631 00:58:40,001 --> 00:58:42,000 MR. CASSIDY: YOU SAY PEOPLE 1632 00:58:42,001 --> 00:58:44,000 THAT ARE WISE WITH THEIR HEALTH 1633 00:58:44,001 --> 00:58:45,000 CARE DOLLAR AND INSTEAD OF 1634 00:58:45,001 --> 00:58:47,000 USING THEIR DOLLAR IT ROLLS 1635 00:58:47,001 --> 00:58:49,000 OVER AND ACCUMULATES, NOW, THEY 1636 00:58:49,001 --> 00:58:50,000 PUT THAT MUCH LESS 1637 00:58:50,001 --> 00:58:52,000 FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THOSE 1638 00:58:52,001 --> 00:58:54,000 PARTICULAR FAMILIES, THEIR COST 1639 00:58:54,001 --> 00:58:56,000 OF INSURANCE, IF YOU WILL, IS 1640 00:58:56,001 --> 00:58:57,000 DECREASING ANNUALLY, I WOULD 1641 00:58:57,001 --> 00:58:59,000 ASSUME? 1642 00:58:59,001 --> 00:59:01,000 MR. FLEMING: OF COURSE, THE 1643 00:59:01,001 --> 00:59:04,000 PREMIUMS STAY EVEN. 1644 00:59:04,001 --> 00:59:06,000 BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THE CASH 1645 00:59:06,001 --> 00:59:09,000 ACCUMULATES AND IT ACCUMULATES 1646 00:59:09,001 --> 00:59:12,000 TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S 1647 00:59:12,001 --> 00:59:14,000 ESSENTIALLY NO DEDUCTIBLE, NO 1648 00:59:14,001 --> 00:59:15,000 WHATEVER HEALTH CARE NEEDS YOU 1649 00:59:15,001 --> 00:59:17,000 HAVE, THERE IS ALWAYS PUTTING 1650 00:59:17,001 --> 00:59:18,000 MONEY IN THE BANK AND WHAT'S 1651 00:59:18,001 --> 00:59:20,000 INTERESTING IS WHATEVER YOU GET 1652 00:59:20,001 --> 00:59:21,000 OUT OF TT PLAN AND WENT TO 1653 00:59:21,001 --> 00:59:24,000 SOMETHING ELSE. 1654 00:59:24,001 --> 00:59:26,000 LET'S SAY YOU WENT TO 65 -- YOU 1655 00:59:26,001 --> 00:59:27,000 HIT 65 AND WENT TO MEDICARE, 1656 00:59:27,001 --> 00:59:29,000 LET'S SAY YOU DECIDE NOT TO 1657 00:59:29,001 --> 00:59:32,000 HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE ANYMORE, 1658 00:59:32,001 --> 00:59:33,000 FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU KEEP 1659 00:59:33,001 --> 00:59:37,000 THAT MONEY. 1660 00:59:37,001 --> 00:59:41,000 YOU CAN USE IT INDEFINITELY, NO PLAN 1661 00:59:41,001 --> 00:59:42,000 YOU MIGHT BE ON. 1662 00:59:42,001 --> 00:59:45,000 MR. CASSIDY: IF THE GENTLEMAN WILL YIELD. 1663 00:59:45,001 --> 00:59:47,000 IF I CONTRAST YOUR 1664 00:59:47,001 --> 00:59:50,000 CENTER APPROACH WHERE YOU PUT 1665 00:59:50,001 --> 00:59:51,000 THE PERSON MOST RESPONSIBLE, 1666 00:59:51,001 --> 00:59:53,000 THE PATIENT, AND THE DOLLARS 1667 00:59:53,001 --> 00:59:55,000 SHE WOULD SPEND FOR HER HEALTH 1668 00:59:55,001 --> 00:59:57,000 CARE AND IN SO DOING SHE 1669 00:59:57,001 --> 00:59:59,000 RESPONDED IN A RATIONAL AND 1670 00:59:59,001 --> 01:00:02,000 ECONOMIC WAY, SHE DIDN'T WANT 1671 01:00:02,001 --> 01:00:04,000 MORE INHALERS SO THEY STOPPED SMOKING. 1672 01:00:04,001 --> 01:00:06,000 CONTRAST THAT WITH THE BILL WE 1673 01:00:06,001 --> 01:00:07,000 PASSED A WEEK AGO IN WHICH NOW 1674 01:00:07,001 --> 01:00:08,000 THERE'S GOING TO BE A TAX ON 1675 01:00:08,001 --> 01:00:11,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS. 1676 01:00:11,001 --> 01:00:13,000 SO THE EXAMPLE I GAVE IF I MAY 1677 01:00:13,001 --> 01:00:15,000 CONTINUE IS WHERE THE PATIENT 1678 01:00:15,001 --> 01:00:18,000 ASKS FOR AN OVER-THE-COUNTER 1679 01:00:18,001 --> 01:00:19,000 GENERIC, INSTEAD OF THE 1680 01:00:19,001 --> 01:00:21,000 PRESCRIPTION MEDICINE, KNOWING 1681 01:00:21,001 --> 01:00:24,000 THAT THE ONE WAS AS GOOD 1682 01:00:24,001 --> 01:00:27,000 OTHER AND YET IN ONE COST -- 1683 01:00:27,001 --> 01:00:29,000 AND ONE COST $21 AND ONE COST 1684 01:00:29,001 --> 01:00:31,000 $39 AND BY THE BILL PASSED BY 1685 01:00:31,001 --> 01:00:33,000 OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THE AISLE WE 1686 01:00:33,001 --> 01:00:34,000 ARE NOW GOING TO TAX THE 1687 01:00:34,001 --> 01:00:36,000 PURCHASE OF OVER-THE-COUNTER 1688 01:00:36,001 --> 01:00:37,000 MEDICINES WHEN THAT PURCHASE IS 1689 01:00:37,001 --> 01:00:39,000 MADE WITH HEALTH SAVINGS 1690 01:00:39,001 --> 01:00:40,000 ACCOUNTS? 1691 01:00:40,001 --> 01:00:42,000 MR. CASSIDY: IT SEEMS WE ARE 1692 01:00:42,001 --> 01:00:43,000 GOING BACKWARDS TO USE LESS 1693 01:00:43,001 --> 01:00:44,000 COSTLY DRUGS. 1694 01:00:44,001 --> 01:00:46,000 I YIELD. 1695 01:00:46,001 --> 01:00:47,000 MR. FLEMING: YOU KNOW, 1696 01:00:47,001 --> 01:00:49,000 CONGRESSMAN CASSIDY, I'VE 1697 01:00:49,001 --> 01:00:51,000 LOOKED AT THIS FOR MANY YEARS 1698 01:00:51,001 --> 01:00:52,000 IN TERMS OF BEING A FAMILY 1699 01:00:52,001 --> 01:00:54,000 PHYSICIAN, FIGURING OUT HOW TO 1700 01:00:54,001 --> 01:00:55,000 GET THE BEST COST CARE TO A 1701 01:00:55,001 --> 01:00:58,000 PATIENT DELIVERED. 1702 01:00:58,001 --> 01:01:00,000 D I'M SURE YOU HAVE IN YOUR 1703 01:01:00,001 --> 01:01:01,000 SPECIALIST ROLE BUT ALSO AS A 1704 01:01:01,001 --> 01:01:02,000 BUSINESS. 1705 01:01:02,001 --> 01:01:04,000 AND I'VE CONCLUDED OVER THE 1706 01:01:04,001 --> 01:01:06,000 YEARS, THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS TO 1707 01:01:06,001 --> 01:01:08,000 CONTROL COST IN A HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. 1708 01:01:08,001 --> 01:01:12,000 EITHER YOU DO AS WE JUST DISCUSSED, YOU HAVE THE DOCTOR 1709 01:01:12,001 --> 01:01:13,000 AND THE PATIENT HAVE A STAKE IN 1710 01:01:13,001 --> 01:01:15,000 THE COST CONTROLS FOR 1711 01:01:15,001 --> 01:01:17,000 THEMSELVES OR AT LEAST 1712 01:01:17,001 --> 01:01:19,000 PARTICULARLY FOR THE PATIENT IN 1713 01:01:19,001 --> 01:01:20,000 WHICH CASE IS A DIVIDEND YOU 1714 01:01:20,001 --> 01:01:21,000 HAVE COST SAVINGS THROUGHOUT 1715 01:01:21,001 --> 01:01:27,000 THE SYSTEM. 1716 01:01:27,001 --> 01:01:30,000 OR YOU CREATE A GIANT, HIGHLY 1717 01:01:30,001 --> 01:01:32,000 BUREAUCRATIC SYSTEM TH 1718 01:01:32,001 --> 01:01:35,000 ENGINEERS MICROMANAGES LIFE 1719 01:01:35,001 --> 01:01:37,000 BEHAVIORS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM IN 1720 01:01:37,001 --> 01:01:40,000 WHICH THERE IS NO CONNECTION 1721 01:01:40,001 --> 01:01:43,000 BETWEEN A PATIENT AND 1722 01:01:43,001 --> 01:01:44,000 HER BEHAVIOR OR COST FOR THAT 1723 01:01:44,001 --> 01:01:46,000 MATTER. 1724 01:01:46,001 --> 01:01:48,000 AND FOR THAT SYSTEM TO BE 1725 01:01:48,001 --> 01:01:50,000 EFFECTIVE BECAUSE WE SEE AN 1726 01:01:50,001 --> 01:01:55,000 EXPONENTIAL GROWTH IN CONSUMER 1727 01:01:55,001 --> 01:01:56,000 PURCHASE BEHAVIOR AND THE 1728 01:01:56,001 --> 01:02:00,000 INFINITY DESIRE FOR VALUE 1729 01:02:00,001 --> 01:02:01,000 COMING OUT OF THE SYSTEM -- 1730 01:02:01,001 --> 01:02:03,000 INFINITE DESIRE TORE VALUE 1731 01:02:03,001 --> 01:02:04,000 COMING OUT OF THE SYSTEM, WE 1732 01:02:04,001 --> 01:02:06,000 WANT TO GET EVERYTHING OUT OF A 1733 01:02:06,001 --> 01:02:07,000 SYSTEM, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT 1734 01:02:07,001 --> 01:02:10,000 SCENARIO THEN IT PUTS AN 1735 01:02:10,001 --> 01:02:13,000 INTENSE DEMAND ON THE 1736 01:02:13,001 --> 01:02:14,000 CONTROLLING ENTITY WHICH IN 1737 01:02:14,001 --> 01:02:17,000 THIS CASE IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 1738 01:02:17,001 --> 01:02:19,000 IT PUTS AN INTENSE PRESSURE 1739 01:02:19,001 --> 01:02:20,000 BURDEN TO FIGURE OUT WAYS OF 1740 01:02:20,001 --> 01:02:22,000 CONTROLLING COST. 1741 01:02:22,001 --> 01:02:23,000 AND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY AT 1742 01:02:23,001 --> 01:02:25,000 THAT POINT TO DO IT. 1743 01:02:25,001 --> 01:02:26,000 THAT'S LONG LINES AND 1744 01:02:26,001 --> 01:02:27,000 RATIONING. 1745 01:02:27,001 --> 01:02:30,000 THAT IS THE ONLY WAY A SYSTEM 1746 01:02:30,001 --> 01:02:33,000 OF THAT SIZE HAS BEEN ABLE TO 1747 01:02:33,001 --> 01:02:34,000 CONTROL COST. 1748 01:02:34,001 --> 01:02:35,000 MR. CASSIDY: NOW, ON THE OTHER 1749 01:02:35,001 --> 01:02:36,000 HAND, IT DOES ATTEMPT TO PAY 1750 01:02:36,001 --> 01:02:39,000 FOR ITS EXPLODING COST. 1751 01:02:39,001 --> 01:02:40,000 BEFORE YOU WALKED IN, I 1752 01:02:40,001 --> 01:02:42,000 MENTIONED THE CENTERS FOR 1753 01:02:42,001 --> 01:02:44,000 MEDICARE AND MEDICAID SERVICES 1754 01:02:44,001 --> 01:02:47,000 FOUND THAT THE BILL THAT WAS 1755 01:02:47,001 --> 01:02:49,000 PASSED, ALTHOUGH 39 DEMOCRATS 1756 01:02:49,001 --> 01:02:51,000 JOINED REPUBLICANS IN OPPOSING 1757 01:02:51,001 --> 01:02:53,000 IT, IT STILL PASSED ON 1758 01:02:53,001 --> 01:02:56,000 BASICALLY A PARTY LINE VOTE, 1759 01:02:56,001 --> 01:02:58,000 THAT BECAUSE OF THAT BILL, 1760 01:02:58,001 --> 01:03:01,000 HEALTH CARE SPENDING WILL 1761 01:03:01,001 --> 01:03:03,000 INCREASE TO 21.3% OF G.D.P. 1762 01:03:03,001 --> 01:03:06,000 COMPARED TO CURRENT 1763 01:03:06,001 --> 01:03:08,000 WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT BY 1764 01:03:08,001 --> 01:03:10,000 20.8% WOULD BE UNDER CUR LAW. 1765 01:03:10,001 --> 01:03:12,000 AND BENDING THE COST CURVE THE 1766 01:03:12,001 --> 01:03:14,000 WRONG WAY, IF YOU WILL, WE'RE 1767 01:03:14,001 --> 01:03:16,000 YANKING ON THAT THING. 1768 01:03:16,001 --> 01:03:17,000 MR. FLEMING: RIGHT. MR. CASSIDY: THEY ARE TRYING TO 1769 01:03:17,001 --> 01:03:19,000 ATTEMPT TO PAY FOR IT. 1770 01:03:19,001 --> 01:03:21,000 IF THE GENTLEMAN WILL ALLOW ME 1771 01:03:21,001 --> 01:03:25,000 TO GO FORWARD, THEY ARE 1772 01:03:25,001 --> 01:03:26,000 CREATING $730 BILLION IN TAX 1773 01:03:26,001 --> 01:03:27,000 HIKES. 1774 01:03:27,001 --> 01:03:30,000 SOME PEOPLE HAVE CALLED THIS A 1775 01:03:30,001 --> 01:03:32,000 TAX BILL DISGUISED AS A HEALTH 1776 01:03:32,001 --> 01:03:34,000 CARE BILL. 1777 01:03:34,001 --> 01:03:36,000 $460 BILLION TAX ON SMALL 1778 01:03:36,001 --> 01:03:38,000 BUSINESSES AND HIGH EARNERS, 1779 01:03:38,001 --> 01:03:40,000 $135 BILLION EMPLOYER MANDATE 1780 01:03:40,001 --> 01:03:41,000 TAX, $33 BILLION INDIVIDUAL 1781 01:03:41,001 --> 01:03:43,000 MANDATE TAX. 1782 01:03:43,001 --> 01:03:44,000 YOU MENTIONED HOW YOU ARE A 1783 01:03:44,001 --> 01:03:46,000 SMALL BUSINESSMAN AS WELL AS A 1784 01:03:46,001 --> 01:03:48,000 PHYSICIAN. 1785 01:03:48,001 --> 01:03:50,000 I WANT TO YIELD TO YOU AND ASK 1786 01:03:50,001 --> 01:03:53,000 YOU IF YOU CAN COMM 1787 01:03:53,001 --> 01:03:56,000 THESE TAXES WOULD AFFECT YOU AS 1788 01:03:56,001 --> 01:03:58,000 A SMALL BUSINESS PERSON? 1789 01:03:58,001 --> 01:03:59,000 MR. FLEMING: WELL, IT WOULD A 1790 01:03:59,001 --> 01:04:01,000 TREMENDOUS IMPACT. 1791 01:04:01,001 --> 01:04:02,000 FOR WHATEVER REASON -- WELL, 1792 01:04:02,001 --> 01:04:04,000 LET ME BACK UP FOR A SECOND. 1793 01:04:04,001 --> 01:04:06,000 THIS HEALTH CARE BILL PROVIDES 1794 01:04:06,001 --> 01:04:08,000 THAT WHETHER IT'S A PUBLIC 1795 01:04:08,001 --> 01:04:09,000 OPTION, A GOVERNMENT-RUN 1796 01:04:09,001 --> 01:04:10,000 INSURANCE OR WHETHER IT' 1797 01:04:10,001 --> 01:04:13,000 PRIVATE INSURANCE PLAN, THEY 1798 01:04:13,001 --> 01:04:14,000 ALL HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN 1799 01:04:14,001 --> 01:04:15,000 EXCHANGE AND MEET CERTAIN 1800 01:04:15,001 --> 01:04:16,000 REQUIREMENTS AND 1801 01:04:16,001 --> 01:04:17,000 CERTIFICATIONS. 1802 01:04:17,001 --> 01:04:18,000 EVERY CONSTITUENCY OUT THERE IS 1803 01:04:18,001 --> 01:04:20,000 GOING TO BE KNOCKING ON OUR 1804 01:04:20,001 --> 01:04:22,000 DOORS IN WASHINGTON WANTING 1805 01:04:22,001 --> 01:04:23,000 THEIR AROMA THERIES OR 1806 01:04:23,001 --> 01:04:24,000 MASSAGE THERAPIES AND 1807 01:04:24,001 --> 01:04:25,000 EVERYTHING ELSE WHICH IS GOING 1808 01:04:25,001 --> 01:04:26,000 TO MAKE THE MINIMUM 1809 01:04:26,001 --> 01:04:29,000 REQUIREMENTS GO UP AND 1810 01:04:29,001 --> 01:04:30,000 THEREFORE THE COSTS. 1811 01:04:30,001 --> 01:04:33,000 I AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, 1812 01:04:33,001 --> 01:04:35,000 WHEN I'M HAVING TO DECIDE ABOUT PURCHASING THESE REQUIRED 1813 01:04:35,001 --> 01:04:38,000 MINUTE MUMS AND MANDATES, AT 1814 01:04:38,001 --> 01:04:41,000 SOME POINT I MAY SAY I CAN'T 1815 01:04:41,001 --> 01:04:43,000 AFFORD IT, IN WHICH CASE I HAVE 1816 01:04:43,001 --> 01:04:45,000 TO OPT OUT OF THE HEALTH CARE 1817 01:04:45,001 --> 01:04:49,000 PLAN BUT I'LL STILL HAVE TO PAY 1818 01:04:49,001 --> 01:04:50,000 AN 8% PAYROLL TAX OR UP TO 8% 1819 01:04:50,001 --> 01:04:51,000 PAYROLL TAX. 1820 01:04:51,001 --> 01:04:54,000 SO EVEN NOT COVERING MY 1821 01:04:54,001 --> 01:04:55,000 EMPLOYEES WILL LEAD TO HIGHER COSTS. 1822 01:04:55,001 --> 01:04:57,000 AND AS SOON AS MY COSTS GO UP, 1823 01:04:57,001 --> 01:05:01,000 MY PROFITS GO DOWN, MY ABILITY 1824 01:05:01,001 --> 01:05:02,000 TO SUSTAIN BUSINESS WILL FADE, 1825 01:05:02,001 --> 01:05:05,000 AND I WILL -- THE FIRST THING I 1826 01:05:05,001 --> 01:05:07,000 WILL HAVE TO DO IS LAY PEOPLE 1827 01:05:07,001 --> 01:05:08,000 OFF OR CERTAINLY NOT HIRE 1828 01:05:08,001 --> 01:05:09,000 PEOPLE. 1829 01:05:09,001 --> 01:05:12,000 MR. CASSIDY: SO LAY PEOPLE OFF, 1830 01:05:12,001 --> 01:05:14,000 IT'S PROJECTED, I SEE, THAT 1831 01:05:14,001 --> 01:05:15,000 USING THE METHODOLOGY OF THE 1832 01:05:15,001 --> 01:05:17,000 WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL ON ECONOMIC 1833 01:05:17,001 --> 01:05:18,000 AD THAT THE TAX HIKES, 1834 01:05:18,001 --> 01:05:20,000 $730 BILLION IN TAX HIKES TO 1835 01:05:20,001 --> 01:05:24,000 ADDRESS THIS COST, WHICH BY THE 1836 01:05:24,001 --> 01:05:28,000 WAY INADEQUATELY ADDRESSES IT, 1837 01:05:28,001 --> 01:05:29,000 WOULD KILL 5.5 1838 01:05:29,001 --> 01:05:30,000 JOBS. 1839 01:05:30,001 --> 01:05:31,000 MR. FLEMING:ND IF THE 1840 01:05:31,001 --> 01:05:33,000 GENTLEMAN WILL YIELD FOR ONE 1841 01:05:33,001 --> 01:05:35,000 OTHER PART, THE TAXES ON 1842 01:05:35,001 --> 01:05:38,000 BUSINESSES DON'T STOP THERE. 1843 01:05:38,001 --> 01:05:40,000 WE HAVE WITH THE BUSH TAX CUTS 1844 01:05:40,001 --> 01:05:41,000 EXPIRING VERY SOON, THE 1845 01:05:41,001 --> 01:05:43,000 MARGINAL TAX RATES WILL UP 1846 01:05:43,001 --> 01:05:46,000 FROM 35% TO 39%. 1847 01:05:46,001 --> 01:05:48,000 AND THEN THIS BILL PROVIDES FOR 1848 01:05:48,001 --> 01:05:51,000 ANOTHER EXEYES TAX OF OVER 5% 1849 01:05:51,001 --> 01:05:53,000 -- EXCISE TAX OF OVER 5%. 1850 01:05:53,001 --> 01:05:57,000 SO THEY WILL INCREASE FROM 35% 1851 01:05:57,001 --> 01:05:59,000 TO 45%, PLUS THE 8% THAT WE 1852 01:05:59,001 --> 01:06:01,000 TALKED ABOUT TAXES THAT WILL 1853 01:06:01,001 --> 01:06:06,000 OCCUR ON PAYROLL EVEN IF THE 1854 01:06:06,001 --> 01:06:07,000 EMPLOYER DOES NOT HAVE OR ABLE 1855 01:06:07,001 --> 01:06:08,000 TO PURCHASE HEALTH CARE 1856 01:06:08,001 --> 01:06:10,000 INSURANCE. 1857 01:06:10,001 --> 01:06:12,000 SO JUST AN EXPLOSION OF COSTS 1858 01:06:12,001 --> 01:06:13,000 WITHOUT ANY RETURN ON 1859 01:06:13,001 --> 01:06:15,000 INVESTMENT AND, THEREFORE, THE 1860 01:06:15,001 --> 01:06:17,000 BUSINESS OWNER IN ORDER TO 1861 01:06:17,001 --> 01:06:19,000 REMAIN COMPETITIVE 1862 01:06:19,001 --> 01:06:21,000 , YOU KNOW, WILL HAVE TO REDUC 1863 01:06:21,001 --> 01:06:22,000 THE WORK FORCE. 1864 01:06:22,001 --> 01:06:24,000 MR. CASSIDY: SO THERE'S 1865 01:06:24,001 --> 01:06:25,000 MANDATES ON BUSINESSES AND 1866 01:06:25,001 --> 01:06:27,000 INDIDUALS. 1867 01:06:27,001 --> 01:06:32,000 THERE'S $430 BILLION ON NEW 1868 01:06:32,001 --> 01:06:33,000 TAXES AND $-- 5.5 MILLIONOBS 1869 01:06:33,001 --> 01:06:34,000 LOST? 1870 01:06:34,001 --> 01:06:36,000 MR. FLEMING: YES. 1871 01:06:36,001 --> 01:06:38,000 MR. CASSIDY: THAT'S A TRIFECTA 1872 01:06:38,001 --> 01:06:41,000 OF DISASTER. 1873 01:06:41,001 --> 01:06:43,000 WE ARE JOINED BY CONGRESSMAN SCALISE. 1874 01:06:43,001 --> 01:06:45,000 I WANT TO YIELD TO CONGRESSMAN 1875 01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:46,000 SCALISE BUT BEFORE SO I WILL 1876 01:06:46,001 --> 01:06:47,000 SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN 1877 01:06:47,001 --> 01:06:50,000 DISCUSSING COSTS. 1878 01:06:50,001 --> 01:06:53,000 "THE WASHINGTON POST POST," 1879 01:06:53,001 --> 01:06:54,000 "THE NEW YORK TIMES," THE 1880 01:06:54,001 --> 01:06:56,000 CHINESE GOVERNMENT, HAVE ALL 1881 01:06:56,001 --> 01:06:57,000 EXPRESSED DOUBTS THAT THIS BILL 1882 01:06:57,001 --> 01:06:59,000 WILL CONTROL COSTS. 1883 01:06:59,001 --> 01:07:01,000 AND FRANKLY IN FAIRNESS THERE 1884 01:07:01,001 --> 01:07:02,000 ARE 39 DEMOCRATS THAT VOTED 1885 01:07:02,001 --> 01:07:04,000 AGAINST THIS BILL AND SOME OF 1886 01:07:04,001 --> 01:07:05,000 THEM ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERNS 1887 01:07:05,001 --> 01:07:07,000 REGARDING THIS COST. 1888 01:07:07,001 --> 01:07:09,000 I'D LIKE TO YIELD TO YOU ON 1889 01:07:09,001 --> 01:07:10,000 YOUR THOUGHTS, PLEASE. 1890 01:07:10,001 --> 01:07:12,000 MR. SCALISE: I WANT TO THANK MY 1891 01:07:12,001 --> 01:07:13,000 COLLEAGUE FROM BATON ROUGE, IN 1892 01:07:13,001 --> 01:07:14,000 FACT, BOTH DOCTORS FROM 1893 01:07:14,001 --> 01:07:17,000 LOUISIANA WHO HAVE EXHIBITED SO 1894 01:07:17,001 --> 01:07:18,000 MUCH LEADERSHIP ON THIS BROADER 1895 01:07:18,001 --> 01:07:21,000 ISSUE OF HEALTH CARE REFORM. 1896 01:07:21,001 --> 01:07:24,000 BUT I THINK AS YOU POINTED OUT 1897 01:07:24,001 --> 01:07:25,000 WITH SO MANY -- WHAT SO 1898 01:07:25,001 --> 01:07:28,000 AMERICANS ARE FOUNDING OUT NOW 1899 01:07:28,001 --> 01:07:31,000 THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE DETAILS 1900 01:07:31,001 --> 01:07:32,000 OF THAT 1,990-PAGE BILL THAT WE 1901 01:07:32,001 --> 01:07:34,000 OPPOSED BUT PASSED THE HOUSE A 1902 01:07:34,001 --> 01:07:35,000 WEEK AGO IS THAT THEY ARE 1903 01:07:35,001 --> 01:07:39,000 REALIZING NOT ALL OF THE TAXES, 1904 01:07:39,001 --> 01:07:40,000 AS YOU POINTED OUT, OV 1905 01:07:40,001 --> 01:07:41,000 BILLION THAT WOULD CRIPPLE 1906 01:07:41,001 --> 01:07:43,000 SMALL BUSINESSES AND FAMILIES, 1907 01:07:43,001 --> 01:07:44,000 THE $500 BILLION CUTS IN 1908 01:07:44,001 --> 01:07:46,000 MEDICARE THAT OUR SENIORS KNOW 1909 01:07:46,001 --> 01:07:47,000 WILL LEAD ULTIMATELY TO 1910 01:07:47,001 --> 01:07:49,000 RATIONING OF HEALTH CARE AND 1911 01:07:49,001 --> 01:07:51,000 OTHER DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES, 1912 01:07:51,001 --> 01:07:53,000 BUT NOW THEY'RE SEEING THAT 1913 01:07:53,001 --> 01:07:54,000 ACTUALLY WHEN THIS WHOLE DEBATE 1914 01:07:54,001 --> 01:07:55,000 STARTED IT WAS ABOUT LOWERING 1915 01:07:55,001 --> 01:07:57,000 THE COST OF HEALTH CARE. 1916 01:07:57,001 --> 01:08:00,000 REALIZING THAT 1917 01:08:00,001 --> 01:08:01,000 SPERK PELOSI'S 1,990-PAGE OF 1918 01:08:01,001 --> 01:08:02,000 GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTH 1919 01:08:02,001 --> 01:08:03,000 CARE WILL INCREASE COSTS TO 1920 01:08:03,001 --> 01:08:05,000 HEALTH CARE WHICH IS THE 1921 01:08:05,001 --> 01:08:06,000 ULTIMATE IRONY AND REALLY THE 1922 01:08:06,001 --> 01:08:07,000 ULTIMATE KICK IN THE TEETH TO 1923 01:08:07,001 --> 01:08:09,000 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO WANT AS 1924 01:08:09,001 --> 01:08:11,000 WE WANT REAL HEALTH CARE REFORM 1925 01:08:11,001 --> 01:08:12,000 TO LOWER COST. 1926 01:08:12,001 --> 01:08:13,000 IN FACT, THE ALTERNATIVE BILL 1927 01:08:13,001 --> 01:08:14,000 THAT WE PRESENTED HERE ON THE 1928 01:08:14,001 --> 01:08:16,000 HOUSE FLOOR WHERE WE HAD A 1929 01:08:16,001 --> 01:08:19,000 RECORD VOTE HERE ON THE HOUSE 1930 01:08:19,001 --> 01:08:20,000 BILL THAT SAME DAY THAT SPEAKER 1931 01:08:20,001 --> 01:08:21,000 PELOSI'S BILL PASSED, OUR BILL 1932 01:08:21,001 --> 01:08:23,000 WOULD ACTUALLY REDUCE HEALTH 1933 01:08:23,001 --> 01:08:25,000 CARE COSTS BY 10%, SCORED BY 1934 01:08:25,001 --> 01:08:26,000 THE CON 1935 01:08:26,001 --> 01:08:28,000 OFFICE, WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY 1936 01:08:28,001 --> 01:08:30,000 NO TAX INCREASES AND NO CUTS TO 1937 01:08:30,001 --> 01:08:31,000 MEDICARE BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE 1938 01:08:31,001 --> 01:08:33,000 WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE NOW 1939 01:08:33,001 --> 01:08:35,000 HOW MANY COSTS ARE INCREASING. 1940 01:08:35,001 --> 01:08:37,000 IN FACT, WE JUST SAW A REPORT 1941 01:08:37,001 --> 01:08:38,000 THAT CAME OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK 1942 01:08:38,001 --> 01:08:40,000 THAT PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES 1943 01:08:40,001 --> 01:08:41,000 HAVE INCREASED THIS YEAR BY 10% 1944 01:08:41,001 --> 01:08:43,000 BECAUSE SOME OF THESE DRUG 1945 01:08:43,001 --> 01:08:44,000 COMPANIES THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY 1946 01:08:44,001 --> 01:08:46,000 GOING TO HELP OUT WITH LOWERING 1947 01:08:46,001 --> 01:08:47,000 COSTS, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY 1948 01:08:47,001 --> 01:08:49,000 JACKED UP THE COST 10% THIS 1949 01:08:49,001 --> 01:08:51,000 YEAR TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE 1950 01:08:51,001 --> 01:08:53,000 IN THE ROAD 1951 01:08:53,001 --> 01:08:55,000 BY SPEAKER PELOSI'S GOVERNMENT 1952 01:08:55,001 --> 01:08:56,000 TAKEOVER. OUR 1953 01:08:56,001 --> 01:08:57,000 FAMILIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY 1954 01:08:57,001 --> 01:08:58,000 THAT HAVE HEALTH CARE THAT THEY 1955 01:08:58,001 --> 01:09:00,000 LIKE REALIZING THAT THE BILL 1956 01:09:00,001 --> 01:09:01,000 WILL ACTUALLY TAKE AWAY 1957 01:09:01,001 --> 01:09:03,000 POTENTIALLY THEIR HEALTH CARE, 1958 01:09:03,001 --> 01:09:04,000 IT WILL ACTUALLY LEAD TO HIGHER 1959 01:09:04,001 --> 01:09:07,000 HEALTH CARE COSTS OVERALL AND 1960 01:09:07,001 --> 01:09:09,000 EVEN HIGHER PRE COSTS. 1961 01:09:09,001 --> 01:09:12,000 SO IT'S REALLY A DOUBLE WHAMMY 1962 01:09:12,001 --> 01:09:13,000 FOR AMERICAN FAMILIES WHO WERE 1963 01:09:13,001 --> 01:09:14,000 EXPECTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT 1964 01:09:14,001 --> 01:09:15,000 FROM THIS DEMOCRATICALLY 1965 01:09:15,001 --> 01:09:17,000 CONTROLLED CONGRESS. UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT THEY'RE 1966 01:09:17,001 --> 01:09:18,000 SEEING IS A 1,990-PAGE 1967 01:09:18,001 --> 01:09:19,000 GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTH 1968 01:09:19,001 --> 01:09:22,000 CARE THAT RAISES TAXES, CUTS 1969 01:09:22,001 --> 01:09:23,000 MEDICARE AND NOW INCREASE COSTS 1970 01:09:23,001 --> 01:09:24,000 FOR HEALTH CARE WHICH IS JUST 1971 01:09:24,001 --> 01:09:27,000 THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT AMERICANS 1972 01:09:27,001 --> 01:09:28,000 SO IT'S A VERY BIG 1973 01:09:28,001 --> 01:09:29,000 DISAPPOINTMENT. 1974 01:09:29,001 --> 01:09:30,000 AS MORE DETAILS COME OUT, 1975 01:09:30,001 --> 01:09:32,000 HOPEFULLY WE C 1976 01:09:32,001 --> 01:09:33,000 TRAIN AS IT'S MOVING OVER IN 1977 01:09:33,001 --> 01:09:35,000 THE SENATE FROM ACTUALLY 1978 01:09:35,001 --> 01:09:38,000 BECOMING LAW SO WE CAN 1979 01:09:38,001 --> 01:09:40,000 HEALTH CARE REFORM TO ADDRESS 1980 01:09:40,001 --> 01:09:42,000 PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, SO 1981 01:09:42,001 --> 01:09:44,000 BRING IN MORE COMPETITION SO 1982 01:09:44,001 --> 01:09:46,000 FAMILIES CAN BUY ACROSS STATE 1983 01:09:46,001 --> 01:09:47,000 LINES, HAVE MEDICAL LIABILITY 1984 01:09:47,001 --> 01:09:49,000 REFORM WHICH WE ACTUALLY PUT IN 1985 01:09:49,001 --> 01:09:51,000 OUR BILL WHICH WOULD HAVE 1986 01:09:51,001 --> 01:09:52,000 REDUCE COSTS, SAVING AMERICAN 1987 01:09:52,001 --> 01:09:53,000 FAMILIES MILLIONS AND MILLIONS 1988 01:09:53,001 --> 01:09:56,000 OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR. 1989 01:09:56,001 --> 01:09:57,000 AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP. 1990 01:09:57,001 --> 01:09:58,000 MR. CASSIDY: THANK YOU. 1991 01:09:58,001 --> 01:09:59,000 MR. SCALISE: AND I YIELD BACK 1992 01:09:59,001 --> 01:10:00,000 MY TIME. 1993 01:10:00,001 --> 01:10:01,000 MR. CASSIDY: THERE'S A COUPLE 1994 01:10:01,001 --> 01:10:04,000 OF IRONIES HERE. 1995 01:10:04,001 --> 01:10:06,000 ONE IRON IS HE WE HAD TO DO THIS TO CONTROL COS. 1996 01:10:06,001 --> 01:10:07,000 AND COSTS THAT DOES NOT DO 1997 01:10:07,001 --> 01:10:10,000 ENOUGH TO CONTROL IT AND G.D.P. 1998 01:10:10,001 --> 01:10:11,000 AMOUNT GOING TO -- WOULD BE 1999 01:10:11,001 --> 01:10:12,000 MORE UNDER THIS BILL. 2000 01:10:12,001 --> 01:10:13,000 BUT THE OTHER IRONY, WE WERE 2001 01:10:13,001 --> 01:10:14,000 TOLD WE HAD TO DO THIS TO 2002 01:10:14,001 --> 01:10:16,000 PRESERVE JOBS. 2003 01:10:16,001 --> 01:10:18,000 AND YET IT'S ESTIMATED WE ARE 2004 01:10:18,001 --> 01:10:22,000 GOING TO LOSE 5.5 MILLION JOBS 2005 01:10:22,001 --> 01:10:23,000 RELATED TO THE $730 BILLION IN 2006 01:10:23,001 --> 01:10:24,000 TAXES 2007 01:10:24,001 --> 01:10:26,000 I YIELD BACK. 2008 01:10:26,001 --> 01:10:28,000 MR. SCALISE: YOU KNOW, ON THIS 2009 01:10:28,001 --> 01:10:29,000 ISSUE OF JOBS, WE'RE SEEING 2010 01:10:29,001 --> 01:10:31,000 MORE AND MORE AS WELL ON THE 2011 01:10:31,001 --> 01:10:33,000 STIMULUS BILL, THE SO-CALLED 2012 01:10:33,001 --> 01:10:36,000 STIMULUS BILL THAT WE OPPOSED, 2013 01:10:36,001 --> 01:10:38,000 A BILL THAT ADDED ANOTHER $787 2014 01:10:38,001 --> 01:10:40,000 BILLION TO OUR NATIONAL DEBT, 2015 01:10:40,001 --> 01:10:41,000 WAS COMPLETELY FINANCED ON THE 2016 01:10:41,001 --> 01:10:42,000 BACKS OF OUR CHILDREN AND 2017 01:10:42,001 --> 01:10:44,000 GRANDCHILDREN, I NOTICED AND 2018 01:10:44,001 --> 01:10:45,000 I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES FROM 2019 01:10:45,001 --> 01:10:46,000 LOUISIANA WILL BE HAY TO FIND 2020 01:10:46,001 --> 01:10:49,000 OUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE WHITE 2021 01:10:49,001 --> 01:10:50,000 HOUSE'S WEBSITE, LOUISIANA HAS 2022 01:10:50,001 --> 01:10:51,000 15 DIFFERENT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. 2023 01:10:51,001 --> 01:10:53,000 AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE JOBS 2024 01:10:53,001 --> 01:10:56,000 THAT WERE CREATED BY 2025 01:10:56,001 --> 01:10:59,000 STIMULUS BILL IN LOUISIANA'S EIGHTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. 2026 01:10:59,001 --> 01:11:00,000 THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, 2027 01:11:00,001 --> 01:11:02,000 AS YOU'RE LAUGHING AND ALMOST 2028 01:11:02,001 --> 01:11:04,000 -- IT'S ALMOST COMICAL, WHILE 2029 01:11:04,001 --> 01:11:06,000 TH 2030 01:11:06,001 --> 01:11:08,000 HOUSE' JOBS 2031 01:11:08,001 --> 01:11:09,000 CREATED BY THE STIMULUS BILL, 2032 01:11:09,001 --> 01:11:10,000 EIGHTH 2033 01:11:10,001 --> 01:11:12,000 CONGSSIONAL DISTRICT, I DON'T 2034 01:11:12,001 --> 01:11:14,000 THINK THEY'VE GONE BACK TO 2035 01:11:14,001 --> 01:11:15,000 CHECK THAT LOUISIANA HAS SEVEN 2036 01:11:15,001 --> 01:11:17,000 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. 2037 01:11:17,001 --> 01:11:18,000 LOOK ACROSS 2038 01:11:18,001 --> 01:11:19,000 OTHER STATES, WE ARE SEEING THE 2039 01:11:19,001 --> 01:11:24,000 EXACT SAME THING. 2040 01:11:24,001 --> 01:11:25,000 THERE IS A WHOLE LOTF NOT 2041 01:11:25,001 --> 01:11:27,000 ONLY DECEPTION BUT FRAUDULENT 2042 01:11:27,001 --> 01:11:28,000 NUMBERS ABOUT JOBS THAT WERE 2043 01:11:28,001 --> 01:11:29,000 CREATED IN DISTRICTS THAT DON'T 2044 01:11:29,001 --> 01:11:31,000 EVEN EXIST IN THIS COUNTRY AND 2045 01:11:31,001 --> 01:11:32,000 WAS USING MONEY THAT DOESN'T 2046 01:11:32,001 --> 01:11:33,000 EXIST BECAUSE IT WAS BORROWED 2047 01:11:33,001 --> 01:11:34,000 FROM OUR CHILDREN AND 2048 01:11:34,001 --> 01:11:42,000 GRANDCHILDREN 2049 01:11:42,001 --> 01:11:47,000 . 2050 01:11:47,001 --> 01:11:49,000 MR. FLEMING: PUERTO RICO OR GUAM 2051 01:11:49,001 --> 01:11:51,000 HAS ONLY ONE DISTRICT. 2052 01:11:51,001 --> 01:11:54,000 BUT THEY ARE UP TO THE 9TH 2053 01:11:54,001 --> 01:11:57,000 DISTRICT WL ALL THE FAKE JOBS 2054 01:11:57,001 --> 01:11:58,000 AND ARTIFICIAL JOBS THAT WERE 2055 01:11:58,001 --> 01:12:01,000 CRTED. 2056 01:12:01,001 --> 01:12:02,000 THERE IS A TWO-TIER APPROH TO 2057 01:12:02,001 --> 01:12:05,000 INCREASINACCESS TO CARE. 2058 01:12:05,001 --> 01:12:07,000 ONE IS TO DO WHAT THIS BILL THAT 2059 01:12:07,001 --> 01:12:11,000 JUST PASSED DOES AND THAT IS TO 2060 01:12:11,001 --> 01:12:16,000 SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO COVER AS 2061 01:12:16,001 --> 01:12:18,000 MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN AND WORRY 2062 01:12:18,001 --> 01:12:21,000 ABOUT COSTS LATER ON. 2063 01:12:21,001 --> 01:12:23,000 BUT ANOTHER IS TO BE EFFICIENT. 2064 01:12:23,001 --> 01:12:24,000 AND THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO COVER 2065 01:12:24,001 --> 01:12:26,000 MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE IS 2066 01:12:26,001 --> 01:12:32,000 MORE MONEY TO GO AROUND. 2067 01:12:32,001 --> 01:12:34,000 SO I REALLY I AM CONCERNED THAT 2068 01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:35,000 WE STARTED OFF IN THE WRONG 2069 01:12:35,001 --> 01:12:37,000 DIRECTION HERE. 2070 01:12:37,001 --> 01:12:38,000 OF COURSE, THE SENATE HAS SOME 2071 01:12:38,001 --> 01:12:40,000 KIND OF BILL, ALTHOUGH WE 2072 01:12:40,001 --> 01:12:43,000 HAVEN'T SEN THE DETAILS OF IT 2073 01:12:43,001 --> 01:12:47,000 FROM THE MAJORITY LEADER, BUT I 2074 01:12:47,001 --> 01:12:49,000 THINK IT STILL ATTACKS THIS 2075 01:12:49,001 --> 01:12:50,000 WHOLE PROBLEM IN SORT OF A 2076 01:12:50,001 --> 01:12:52,000 GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER WAY. 2077 01:12:52,001 --> 01:12:53,000 AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2078 01:12:53,001 --> 01:12:56,000 STATISTICS, MR. SPEAKER, WHAT 2079 01:12:56,001 --> 01:12:59,000 YOU FIND IS THAT THE AMERICAN 2080 01:12:59,001 --> 01:13:01,000 PEOPLE OPPOSE -- DEPENDS ON 2081 01:13:01,001 --> 01:13:05,000 WHICH POLL YOU LOOK AT, BUT 2082 01:13:05,001 --> 01:13:07,000 EITHER BY A SLIM MARGIN OR LARGE 2083 01:13:07,001 --> 01:13:09,000 MARGIN THEY OPPOSE IT. 2084 01:13:09,001 --> 01:13:10,000 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET IT. 2085 01:13:10,001 --> 01:13:12,000 REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE AND 2086 01:13:12,001 --> 01:13:16,000 SENATE GET IT, SO WHY CAN'T OUR 2087 01:13:16,001 --> 01:13:18,000 PRESIDENT AND THE DEMOCRATS IN 2088 01:13:18,001 --> 01:13:20,000 CONGRESS GET THAT GOVERNMENT IS 2089 01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:22,000 NEVER PROVEEN TO RUN ANYTHING 2090 01:13:22,001 --> 01:13:25,000 WELL WHEN IT COMES TO A BUSINESS 2091 01:13:25,001 --> 01:13:26,000 LIKE COST EFFECTIVE AND 2092 01:13:26,001 --> 01:13:29,000 EFFICIENT MANNER. 2093 01:13:29,001 --> 01:13:31,000 WHY ARE WE GOING TO TAKE OVER 2094 01:13:31,001 --> 01:13:32,000 1/6 OF THE ECONOMY AND DO JUST 2095 01:13:32,001 --> 01:13:33,000 THAT? 2096 01:13:33,001 --> 01:13:35,000 MR. CASSIDY: I THINK THAT WAS A 2097 01:13:35,001 --> 01:13:37,000 MESSAGE FROM THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS IN AUGUST. 2098 01:13:37,001 --> 01:13:41,000 IN AUGUST, THE PEOPLE SPOKE AND 2099 01:13:41,001 --> 01:13:44,000 THEY CAME OUT IN DROVES AND SAID 2100 01:13:44,001 --> 01:13:46,000 WE WANT REFORM AND WE WANT 2101 01:13:46,001 --> 01:13:47,000 REFORM THAT DOES PRESIDENT 2102 01:13:47,001 --> 01:13:49,000 CONCENTRATE POWER IN WASHINGTON, 2103 01:13:49,001 --> 01:13:51,000 D.C. AND DO 2104 01:13:51,001 --> 01:13:55,000 STILL DOES NOT DO ENOUGH TO 2105 01:13:55,001 --> 01:13:58,000 CONTROL COSTS, DOESN'T KILL 5.5 2106 01:13:58,001 --> 01:13:59,000 MILLION JOBS, SOM 2107 01:13:59,001 --> 01:14:01,000 I WOULD CALL PATIENT 2108 01:14:01,001 --> 01:14:03,000 SEPTEMBER, SOMETHING 2109 01:14:03,001 --> 01:14:04,000 RECOGNIZING THERE IS A HECK OF A 2110 01:14:04,001 --> 01:14:08,000 LOT OF MONEY IN THE SYSTEM NOW. 2111 01:14:08,001 --> 01:14:12,000 IF WE CREATE THE ECONOMIC MODEL 2112 01:14:12,001 --> 01:14:15,000 WHERE PEOPLE ARE 2113 01:14:15,001 --> 01:14:16,000 LIVE A HEALTHIER LIFESTYLE, 2114 01:14:16,001 --> 01:14:19,000 SAVING THE SYSTEM MONEY AND 2115 01:14:19,001 --> 01:14:20,000 SMALL BUSINESSES MONEY, THEN WE 2116 01:14:20,001 --> 01:14:23,000 ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH THIS. 2117 01:14:23,001 --> 01:14:25,000 I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 2118 01:14:25,001 --> 01:14:26,000 SPOKE IN AUGUST LOUDLY AND 2119 01:14:26,001 --> 01:14:27,000 CLEARLY. 2120 01:14:27,001 --> 01:14:28,000 THE ONLY QUESTION IS, WILL THEY 2121 01:14:28,001 --> 01:14:31,000 BE HEARD. 2122 01:14:31,001 --> 01:14:34,000 I WILL COMPLIMENT BY DEMOCRATI 2123 01:14:34,001 --> 01:14:35,000 COLLEAGUES, 39 OF THEM HEARD. 2124 01:14:35,001 --> 01:14:38,000 39 OF THEM JOINED WITH 2125 01:14:38,001 --> 01:14:40,000 REPUBLICANS VOTING AGAINST THIS 2126 01:14:40,001 --> 01:14:42,000 BILL, WHICH SACR 2127 01:14:42,001 --> 01:14:46,000 FREEDOM, WHICH INCREASES TAXES 2128 01:14:46,001 --> 01:14:49,000 BY $730 BILLION, WHICH BECAUSE 2129 01:14:49,001 --> 01:14:51,000 OF THAT IT'S ESTIMATED TO COST 2130 01:14:51,001 --> 01:14:52,000 5.5 MILLION JOBS AND STILL DOES 2131 01:14:52,001 --> 01:14:54,000 NOT CONTROL COSTS. 2132 01:14:54,001 --> 01:14:56,000 I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE 2133 01:14:56,001 --> 01:14:59,000 WHERE YOU AND I ARE. 2134 01:14:59,001 --> 01:15:01,000 I YIELD BACK. 2135 01:15:01,001 --> 01:15:03,000 MR. FLEMING: I COVERED THE HUGE 2136 01:15:03,001 --> 01:15:05,000 COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO SMAL 2137 01:15:05,001 --> 01:15:08,000 BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS, 2138 01:15:08,001 --> 01:15:11,000 PERHAPS WHO OPT OUT OF INS 2139 01:15:11,001 --> 01:15:15,000 PAY-GO 2.5% OF THEIR ADJUSTED 2140 01:15:15,001 --> 01:15:17,000 GROSS INCOME OR TO 2141 01:15:17,001 --> 01:15:19,000 OR FIVE YEARS IN PRISON. 2142 01:15:19,001 --> 01:15:22,000 BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STATES? 2143 01:15:22,001 --> 01:15:26,000 YOU KNOW, THE STATES, MR. 2144 01:15:26,001 --> 01:15:27,000 SPEAKER, CANNOT 2145 01:15:27,001 --> 01:15:29,000 COUNTERFEITING OF MONEY THE WAY 2146 01:15:29,001 --> 01:15:32,000 WE IN CONGRESS DO. 2147 01:15:32,001 --> 01:15:34,000 THEY CAN'T CREATE A CURRENCY 2148 01:15:34,001 --> 01:15:37,000 THAT DOESN'T EXIST. 2149 01:15:37,001 --> 01:15:41,000 AND WE INCREASE MEDICAID FROM 2150 01:15:41,001 --> 01:15:48,000 100% OF POVERTY. 2151 01:15:48,001 --> 01:15:50,000 MR. CASSIDY: JUST THOSE OF US 2152 01:15:50,001 --> 01:15:51,000 WHO ARE WATCHING, THE FEDERAL 2153 01:15:51,001 --> 01:15:52,000 GOVERNMENT PUTS UP THE MONEY AND 2154 01:15:52,001 --> 01:15:54,000 COVERS THE POOR. 2155 01:15:54,001 --> 01:15:57,000 RIGHT NOW IN MANY STATES, THEY 2156 01:15:57,001 --> 01:15:59,000 ARE EITHER HAVING TO RAISE TAXES 2157 01:15:59,001 --> 01:16:01,000 TO COVER THE COST OF IT OR CUT 2158 01:16:01,001 --> 01:16:05,000 BACK SERVICES TO THE POOR. 2159 01:16:05,001 --> 01:16:07,000 AND YET WHAT THIS BILL DOES THAT 2160 01:16:07,001 --> 01:16:10,000 THE STATE SHALL INCREASE THE 2161 01:16:10,001 --> 01:16:13,000 PERCENT OF THEIR POPULATION THEY 2162 01:16:13,001 --> 01:16:16,000 ARE PAYING WITH MEDICAID AND THE 2163 01:16:16,001 --> 01:16:18,000 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL PAY A 2164 01:16:18,001 --> 01:16:21,000 STATE TAXPAYER HAS TO PAY THE REST. 2165 01:16:21,001 --> 01:16:24,000 IN OUR STATE, IN LOUISIANA, IT 2166 01:16:24,001 --> 01:16:25,000 ESTIMATED IT WILL COST $610 2167 01:16:25,001 --> 01:16:27,000 MILLION EXTRA STATE DOLLARS THAT 2168 01:16:27,001 --> 01:16:29,000 WILL COME OUT OF ROADS, HIGHWAYS 2169 01:16:29,001 --> 01:16:31,000 AND SCHOOLS. 2170 01:16:31,001 --> 01:16:33,000 SCHWARZENEGGER IN CALIFORNIA 2171 01:16:33,001 --> 01:16:35,000 SAID $6 2172 01:16:35,001 --> 01:16:36,000 I YIELD BACK. 2173 01:16:36,001 --> 01:16:38,000 MR. FLEMING: THAT MONEY IS NOT 2174 01:16:38,001 --> 01:16:40,000 GOING TO COME OFF THE BACKS OF 2175 01:16:40,001 --> 01:16:42,000 OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN 2176 01:16:42,001 --> 01:16:44,000 AS IT DOES HERE IN WASHINGTON. 2177 01:16:44,001 --> 01:16:46,000 THAT'S GOING TO COME DIRECTLY 2178 01:16:46,001 --> 01:16:48,000 OUT OF TAXPAYER POCKETS. 2179 01:16:48,001 --> 01:16:50,000 THAT IS GOING TO BE ROADS THAT 2180 01:16:50,001 --> 01:16:52,000 AREN'T GOING TO BE BUILT, 2181 01:16:52,001 --> 01:16:53,000 BRIDGES THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE 2182 01:16:53,001 --> 01:16:55,000 BUILT, PROJECTS THAT AREN'T 2183 01:16:55,001 --> 01:16:58,000 GOING TO GO FORWARD, THINGS THAT 2184 01:16:58,001 --> 01:16:59,000 WOULD STIMULATE JOB PRODUCTION. 2185 01:16:59,001 --> 01:17:00,000 THAT'S MONEY SUCKED OUT OF THE 2186 01:17:00,001 --> 01:17:02,000 ECONOMY. 2187 01:17:02,001 --> 01:17:04,000 AND REMEMBER THAT AS YOU EXPAND 2188 01:17:04,001 --> 01:17:06,000 MEDICAID TO HIGHER AND HIGHER 2189 01:17:06,001 --> 01:17:08,000 INCOME LEVELS, YOU ARE PULLING 2190 01:17:08,001 --> 01:17:11,000 PEOPLE OF 2191 01:17:11,001 --> 01:17:12,000 WHICH PREMIUMS ARE BEING PAID BY 2192 01:17:12,001 --> 01:17:13,000 EMPLOYERS AND THE FAMILIES TO 2193 01:17:13,001 --> 01:17:16,000 SOME EXTENT. 2194 01:17:16,001 --> 01:17:17,000 YOU ARE PULLING THEM INTO 2195 01:17:17,001 --> 01:17:20,000 MEDICAID WHICH IS NOW 10% 2196 01:17:20,001 --> 01:17:23,000 GOVERNMENT PAID FOR AND AGAIN, 2197 01:17:23,001 --> 01:17:25,000 WE ARE CONCENTRATING POWER IN 2198 01:17:25,001 --> 01:17:28,000 GOVERNMENT AND COST ON TOP OF 2199 01:17:28,001 --> 01:17:30,000 THE TAXPAYER, REALLY A TERIBLE 2200 01:17:30,001 --> 01:17:33,000 COMBINATION OF THINGS IN AN ERA 2201 01:17:33,001 --> 01:17:36,000 WHERE WE'RE LOKING AT PUSHING 2202 01:17:36,001 --> 01:17:39,000 ABOVE A $12 TRILLION LIMIT WHERE 2203 01:17:39,001 --> 01:17:41,000 OUR DEFICIT SPENDING HAS 2204 01:17:41,001 --> 01:17:43,000 QUADRUPLED IN ONE YEAR WHERE 2205 01:17:43,001 --> 01:17:47,000 EVEN THE CHINESE WHO LENDS US 2206 01:17:47,001 --> 01:17:48,000 MONEY, THEY ARE OUR CREDIT CARD 2207 01:17:48,001 --> 01:17:49,000 COMPANY, HAVE BECOME TER 2208 01:17:49,001 --> 01:17:53,000 OF OUR SPENDING AS WELL. 2209 01:17:53,001 --> 01:17:54,000 MR. CASSIDY: JUST RECLAIMING MY 2210 01:17:54,001 --> 01:17:57,000 TIME. 2211 01:17:57,001 --> 01:17:59,000 I THINK PEOPLE BACK HOME ARE 2212 01:17:59,001 --> 01:18:01,000 CONCERNED THAT IN THIS CHAMBER, 2213 01:18:01,001 --> 01:18:03,000 WE ARE 2214 01:18:03,001 --> 01:18:06,000 SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO MAKE 2215 01:18:06,001 --> 01:18:08,000 IT A POINT TO NOT SPEAK FROM A 2216 01:18:08,001 --> 01:18:10,000 REPUBLICAN VIEW POINT BUT QUOT 2217 01:18:10,001 --> 01:18:11,000 "WASHINGTON POST" AND "NEW YORK 2218 01:18:11,001 --> 01:18:14,000 TIMES" THAT SAYS THIS BILL 2219 01:18:14,001 --> 01:18:15,000 COSTS. 2220 01:18:15,001 --> 01:18:17,000 TO QUOTE THE CENTERS FOR 2221 01:18:17,001 --> 01:18:19,000 MEDICAID AND MEDAR 2222 01:18:19,001 --> 01:18:21,000 WHICH IS A FEDERAL AGENCY, IN 2223 01:18:21,001 --> 01:18:23,000 AGGREGATE WE ESTIMATE FOR THE 2224 01:18:23,001 --> 01:18:26,000 CALENDAR YEARS 2010 THROUGH 2225 01:18:26,001 --> 01:18:29,000 2019, NATIONAL EXPENDITURES WILL 2226 01:18:29,001 --> 01:18:32,000 INCREASE BY $290 BILION. 2227 01:18:32,001 --> 01:18:34,000 MOST OF THE PROVISIONS IN H.R. 2228 01:18:34,001 --> 01:18:36,000 3962 THAT WERE DESIGNED IN PART 2229 01:18:36,001 --> 01:18:38,000 TO REDUCE THE RATE OF GROWTH AND 2230 01:18:38,001 --> 01:18:41,000 HETH CARE COSTS WOULD HAVE 2231 01:18:41,001 --> 01:18:44,000 RELATIVELY SMALL SAVINGS. 2232 01:18:44,001 --> 01:18:45,000 THAT, AGAIN, SOME OF MY 2233 01:18:45,001 --> 01:18:47,000 COLLEAGUES, DEMOCRATS, I FEAR 2234 01:18:47,001 --> 01:18:49,000 THIS BILL WILL NOT REDUCE 2235 01:18:49,001 --> 01:18:51,000 LONG-TERM COSTS AND OUR DEBT AND 2236 01:18:51,001 --> 01:18:53,000 DEFICITS WILL SUFFER AND BALLOON 2237 01:18:53,001 --> 01:18:56,000 IN THE YEARS AHEAD. 2238 01:18:56,001 --> 01:18:59,000 ANOTHER DEMOCRATIC COLEAGUE, MY 2239 01:18:59,001 --> 01:19:02,000 PRIMARY CONCERN IS THE LEGISLATION DOES LITTLE TO BRING 2240 01:19:02,001 --> 01:19:03,000 DOWN OUT OF CONTROL HEALTH CARE 2241 01:19:03,001 --> 01:19:06,000 COSTS WHICH BURDENS FAMILIES AND 2242 01:19:06,001 --> 01:19:09,000 SMALL BUSINESSES AND ALSO 2243 01:19:09,001 --> 01:19:11,000 TO OUR SKYROCKETING BUDGET DEFICITS. 2244 01:19:11,001 --> 01:19:13,000 THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE, 2245 01:19:13,001 --> 01:19:16,000 INDEPENDENT AGENCY, SAYS THAT AT 2246 01:19:16,001 --> 01:19:20,000 A ROUGH - THAT THE COST IS 2247 01:19:20,001 --> 01:19:21,000 GROWING AT ABOUT 8% PER YEAR, 2248 01:19:21,001 --> 01:19:24,000 WHICH MORE THAN DOUBLES COST. 2249 01:19:24,001 --> 01:19:25,000 IF YOU COMPOUND 8% PER YEAR, 2250 01:19:25,001 --> 01:19:27,000 WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAYS THE COST 2251 01:19:27,001 --> 01:19:29,000 OF DOING NOTHING IS THAT COSTS 2252 01:19:29,001 --> 01:19:32,000 WILL DOUBLE. 2253 01:19:32,001 --> 01:19:34,000 IN THIS CASE, DOING THIS 2254 01:19:34,001 --> 01:19:37,000 SOMETHING COSTS MORE THAN 2255 01:19:37,001 --> 01:19:38,000 DOUBLE, ACCORDING TO THE 2256 01:19:38,001 --> 01:19:39,000 CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. 2257 01:19:39,001 --> 01:19:41,000 ON BALANCE DURING THE DECADE 2258 01:19:41,001 --> 01:19:44,000 FOLLOWING THE 10-YEAR PERIOD, 2259 01:19:44,001 --> 01:19:46,000 THE BILL WOULD INCREASE FEDERAL 2260 01:19:46,001 --> 01:19:48,000 OUTLAYS FOR HEALTH CARE AND THE 2261 01:19:48,001 --> 01:19:50,000 FEDERAL BUDGETARY COMITMENT TO 2262 01:19:50,001 --> 01:19:52,000 HEALTH CARE RELATIVE TO THE 2263 01:19:52,001 --> 01:19:55,000 CURRENT AMOUNT THAT DOES NOT 2264 01:19:55,001 --> 01:19:56,000 HAVE BEE 2265 01:19:56,001 --> 01:19:59,000 MR. FLEMING: IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD YIELD. 2266 01:19:59,001 --> 01:20:01,000 WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAY 2267 01:20:01,001 --> 01:20:04,000 SOUND THEORETICAL, BUT WE 2268 01:20:04,001 --> 01:20:07,000 ACTUALLY HAVE A MODEL BY WHICH 2269 01:20:07,001 --> 01:20:08,000 REALLY ON A MUCH MORE 2270 01:20:08,001 --> 01:20:13,000 MICROSCOPIC LEVEL, WE ACTUALLY 2271 01:20:13,001 --> 01:20:14,000 HAVE MANY, BUT MEDICARE IS A 2272 01:20:14,001 --> 01:20:15,000 GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE 2273 01:20:15,001 --> 01:20:17,000 PROGRAM. 2274 01:20:17,001 --> 01:20:21,000 THOSE WHO ARE SERVED BY IT LIKE 2275 01:20:21,001 --> 01:20:23,000 WHY THEY LIKE IT, BECAUSE THEY 2276 01:20:23,001 --> 01:20:26,000 GET A LOT MORE OUT OF IT THAN 2277 01:20:26,001 --> 01:20:27,000 WHAT THEY HAVE PUT INTO IT. 2278 01:20:27,001 --> 01:20:33,000 IT IS SUBSIDIZED. 2279 01:20:33,001 --> 01:20:34,000 I BELIEVE THE ESTIMATE TODAY IS 2280 01:20:34,001 --> 01:20:36,000 THAT IT WILL BE COMPLETELY OUT 2281 01:20:36,001 --> 01:20:39,000 OF MONEY IN EIGHT YEARS. 2282 01:20:39,001 --> 01:20:43,000 THE COST TODAY, THE ANUAL COST 2283 01:20:43,001 --> 01:20:46,000 OF MEDICARE IS 2284 01:20:46,001 --> 01:20:48,000 MAGNITUDES GREATER THAN THE 2285 01:20:48,001 --> 01:20:51,000 ESTIMATES EVER WERE IN THE PAST. 2286 01:20:51,001 --> 01:20:53,000 IT HAS ALWAYS RUN MUCH HIGHER IN 2287 01:20:53,001 --> 01:20:55,000 COSTS THAN WAS EVER PREDICTED 2288 01:20:55,001 --> 01:20:58,000 AND YET WE THINK WE ARE GOING TO 2289 01:20:58,001 --> 01:20:59,000 TAKE A MUCH LARGER HEALTH CARE 2290 01:20:59,001 --> 01:21:02,000 SYSTEM CONTROLLED BY A 2291 01:21:02,001 --> 01:21:04,000 GOVERNMENTAL SET OF AGENCIES, 2292 01:21:04,001 --> 01:21:06,000 111 NEW BUREAUCRACIES AND 2293 01:21:06,001 --> 01:21:08,000 MANDATES ANDHAT WHAT WE 2294 01:21:08,001 --> 01:21:10,000 COULDN'T DO WITH THE MUCH 2295 01:21:10,001 --> 01:21:13,000 SMALLER SYSTEM THAT WAS A LOT 2296 01:21:13,001 --> 01:21:15,000 LESS COMPLEX, THAT SOMEHOW WE 2297 01:21:15,001 --> 01:21:17,000 ARE GOING TO DO WITH A MUCH 2298 01:21:17,001 --> 01:21:21,000 BIGGER, MORE COSTLY SYSTEM. 2299 01:21:21,001 --> 01:21:25,000 HAVE THE MONEY AS IT IS. 2300 01:21:25,001 --> 01:21:28,000 WE'RE LIVING ON OUR FUTURE, OUR 2301 01:21:28,001 --> 01:21:31,000 DESCEND EVENTS AND 2302 01:21:31,001 --> 01:21:32,000 THEIR DIME. 2303 01:21:32,001 --> 01:21:33,000 MR. CASSIDY: WE HAVE SPOKEN 2304 01:21:33,001 --> 01:21:35,000 ABOUT HOW TH WE HAVE TO 2305 01:21:35,001 --> 01:21:37,000 PASS IN ORDER TO CONTROL COSTS 2306 01:21:37,001 --> 01:21:38,000 IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN STATUS 2307 01:21:38,001 --> 01:21:39,000 QUO. 2308 01:21:39,001 --> 01:21:41,000 WE SPOKE ABOUT THE IRONY ABOUT 2309 01:21:41,001 --> 01:21:44,000 THE BILL WE HAD TO PAS TO 2310 01:21:44,001 --> 01:21:46,000 RESCUE JOBS THAT WILL COST 5.5 2311 01:21:46,001 --> 01:21:48,000 MILLION JOBS. 2312 01:21:48,001 --> 01:21:50,000 MEDICARE, A GREAT PROGRAM, BUT 2313 01:21:50,001 --> 01:21:52,000 GOING BANKRUPT IN SEVEN YEARS. 2314 01:21:52,001 --> 01:21:54,000 MEDICAID, ANOTHER FEDERAL 2315 01:21:54,001 --> 01:21:56,000 PROGRAM, WHICH IS BANKRUPTING 2316 01:21:56,001 --> 01:21:58,000 STATES, IS NOW GOING TO BE 2317 01:21:58,001 --> 01:21:59,000 RESCUED BY A THIRD PUBLIC 2318 01:21:59,001 --> 01:22:01,000 PROGRAM WHICH IS BASED UPON THE 2319 01:22:01,001 --> 01:22:04,000 ONE AND EXPANDS THE OTHER. 2320 01:22:04,001 --> 01:22:07,000 SO TWO GOING BANKRUPT OR 2321 01:22:07,001 --> 01:22:09,000 BANKRUPTING IS GOING TO BE SAED 2322 01:22:09,001 --> 01:22:11,000 BY THE THIRD. 2323 01:22:11,001 --> 01:22:13,000 YOU ARE BUILDING A HOUSE UPON A 2324 01:22:13,001 --> 01:22:16,000 FOUNDATION OF SAND, IN THIS 2325 01:22:16,001 --> 01:22:19,000 CASE, A FISCAL FOUNDATION OF 2326 01:22:19,001 --> 01:22:21,000 SAND, WHICH 2327 01:22:21,001 --> 01:22:25,000 US AS IT CONCERNS NEWSPAPERS 2328 01:22:25,001 --> 01:22:28,000 LIKE THE "WASHINGTON POST" AND 2329 01:22:28,001 --> 01:22:29,000 "NEW YORK TIMES" 2330 01:22:29,001 --> 01:22:31,000 MR. FLEMING: IT'S CLEAR THAT ALL 2331 01:22:31,001 --> 01:22:35,000 OF THESE THINGS, MEDICARE THAT 2332 01:22:35,001 --> 01:22:37,000 MONEY, SOCIAL SECURITY THAT 2333 01:22:37,001 --> 01:22:38,000 EXISTS TODAY, RUNNING OUT OF 2334 01:22:38,001 --> 01:22:40,000 MONEY. 2335 01:22:40,001 --> 01:22:43,000 MEDICAID, ALREADY OUT OF MONEY 2336 01:22:43,001 --> 01:22:46,000 AND BANKRUPTING STATES. 2337 01:22:46,001 --> 01:22:47,000 KILLING JOBS, JOBS ARE WHAT 2338 01:22:47,001 --> 01:22:49,000 KEEPS OUR CURRENT HEALTH PLANS 2339 01:22:49,001 --> 01:22:52,000 IN PLACE. 2340 01:22:52,001 --> 01:22:55,000 $13 TRILLION IN DEBT AND RISING. 2341 01:22:55,001 --> 01:22:57,000 MANY, MNY 2342 01:22:57,001 --> 01:23:00,000 HERE IN THIS HOUSE THAT WE HAVE 2343 01:23:00,001 --> 01:23:04,000 ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF PAYING FOR 2344 01:23:04,001 --> 01:23:06,000 AND WE SEE COSTS COMING RAPIDLY 2345 01:23:06,001 --> 01:23:07,000 TOGETHER THAT VERY QUICKLY JUST 2346 01:23:07,001 --> 01:23:09,000 THE INTEREST ALONE WILL BEGIN TO 2347 01:23:09,001 --> 01:23:11,000 SQUEEZE OUT ALL THE OTHER 2348 01:23:11,001 --> 01:23:13,000 SERVICES THAT WE LOOK TO 2349 01:23:13,001 --> 01:23:14,000 GOVERNMENT TO HELP US 2350 01:23:14,001 --> 01:23:15,000 COMMON DEFENSE. 2351 01:23:15,001 --> 01:23:17,000 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN WE 2352 01:23:17,001 --> 01:23:20,000 DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PROTECT 2353 01:23:20,001 --> 01:23:23,000 R COUNTRY, BOTH INTERNALLY AND 2354 01:23:23,001 --> 01:23:27,000 EX TERIBLY? 2355 01:23:27,001 --> 01:23:31,000 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN WE 2356 01:23:31,001 --> 01:23:35,000 DON'T HAVE MONEY AS A SAFETY NET 2357 01:23:35,001 --> 01:23:36,000 THAT WE HELP PEOPLE WHO BECAME 2358 01:23:36,001 --> 01:23:38,000 UNEMPLOYED? 2359 01:23:38,001 --> 01:23:40,000 WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? 2360 01:23:40,001 --> 01:23:41,000 WE HAVE GOT TO CHANGE THE 2361 01:23:41,001 --> 01:23:43,000 DIRECTION. 2362 01:23:43,001 --> 01:23:47,000 AND I'M HEARING THIS AL OVER. 2363 01:23:47,001 --> 01:23:50,000 I JUST SPOKE AT A TEA PARTY. 2364 01:23:50,001 --> 01:23:52,000 PEOPLE ARE PAST ANGRY. 2365 01:23:52,001 --> 01:23:53,000 THEY ARE ACTUALLY TERRIFIED AT 2366 01:23:53,001 --> 01:23:57,000 THIS POINT. 2367 01:23:57,001 --> 01:24:00,000 YOU MENTIONED, DR. CASSIDY, THIS 2368 01:24:00,001 --> 01:24:03,000 SUMMER, ALL OF THE TOWN HALLS 2369 01:24:03,001 --> 01:24:04,000 AND TEA PARTIES THAT SPRNG UP 2370 01:24:04,001 --> 01:24:06,000 DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 2371 01:24:06,001 --> 01:24:09,000 I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT 2372 01:24:09,001 --> 01:24:12,000 AS THE CANARY IN THE MINE SHAFT. 2373 01:24:12,001 --> 01:24:14,000 THAT IS THE EARLY WARNING SIGNS 2374 01:24:14,001 --> 01:24:15,000 THAT THE CITIZENS OUT THERE ARE 2375 01:24:15,001 --> 01:24:16,000 FED UP WITH THE IRRESPONSIBLE WE 2376 01:24:16,001 --> 01:24:20,000 ARE DOING HERE. 2377 01:24:20,001 --> 01:24:21,000 IT'S TIME WE BEGIN TO LOK AT 2378 01:24:21,001 --> 01:24:23,000 REINSTATING INDIVIDUAL CHOICE 2379 01:24:23,001 --> 01:24:25,000 AND INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM RATHER 2380 01:24:25,001 --> 01:24:27,000 THAN THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING 2381 01:24:27,001 --> 01:24:29,000 AND MICROMANAGING OUR INDIVIDUAL 2382 01:24:29,001 --> 01:24:31,000 LIVES AND TAKING OUR OWN MONEY 2383 01:24:31,001 --> 01:24:35,000 AWAY FROM US TO GIVE BACK TO 2384 01:24:35,001 --> 01:24:36,000 MR. CASSIDY: IF I COULD RECLAIM 2385 01:24:36,001 --> 01:24:38,000 MY POINT. 2386 01:24:38,001 --> 01:24:40,000 THE POINT YOU JUST HIT UPON, WE 2387 01:24:40,001 --> 01:24:42,000 ALL WANT REFORM AND WE KNOW THE 2388 01:24:42,001 --> 01:24:44,000 GOALS OF REFORM ARE TO CONTROL 2389 01:24:44,001 --> 01:24:45,000 COSTS, TO EXPAND ACCESS TO 2390 01:24:45,001 --> 01:24:47,000 QUALITY CARE. 2391 01:24:47,001 --> 01:24:50,000 NOW THERE ARE SOME WHO THINK TO 2392 01:24:50,001 --> 01:24:51,000 DO THAT YOU HAVE TO SACRIFICE 2393 01:24:51,001 --> 01:24:53,000 FREEDOMS, RAISE TAXES AND KILL 2394 01:24:53,001 --> 01:24:54,000 JOBS AND STILL NOT CONTROL 2395 01:24:54,001 --> 01:24:56,000 COSTS. 2396 01:24:56,001 --> 01:24:57,000 YOU AND I KNOW THAT FROM OUR 2397 01:24:57,001 --> 01:24:58,000 PRACTICES THAT YOU CAN DO IT 2398 01:24:58,001 --> 01:24:59,000 DIFFERENTLY. 2399 01:24:59,001 --> 01:25:00,000 YOU CAN ACTUALLY INCREASE 2400 01:25:00,001 --> 01:25:02,000 FREEDOM BY GIVING THAT PERSON 2401 01:25:02,001 --> 01:25:04,000 THE ABILITY TO CONTROL HER 2402 01:25:04,001 --> 01:25:07,000 ACCOUNT, THAT SHE CAN USE TO 2403 01:25:07,001 --> 01:25:09,000 SPEND OR NOT SPEND, TO SEEK 2404 01:25:09,001 --> 01:25:11,000 VAE AND IN SO DOING, YO LOWER 2405 01:25:11,001 --> 01:25:12,000 THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND CUT 2406 01:25:12,001 --> 01:25:14,000 THE INSURANCE COMPANY OUT OF THE 2407 01:25:14,001 --> 01:25:16,000 DEAL, BECAUSE NOW SHE HAS HER 2408 01:25:16,001 --> 01:25:17,000 OWN ACCOUNT AND DOES PRSIDENT 2409 01:25:17,001 --> 01:25:20,000 HAVE TO SUBMIT A PAYMENT CLAIM 2410 01:25:20,001 --> 01:25:23,000 BUT PAYS FOR IT WITH A DEBIT 2411 01:25:23,001 --> 01:25:25,000 CARD AND CONTROL COSTS IN A 2412 01:25:25,001 --> 01:25:27,000 PATIENT-CENTERED WAY. 2413 01:25:27,001 --> 01:25:29,000 IN SO DOING, THE PATIENT BECOMES 2414 01:25:29,001 --> 01:25:31,000 HEALTHIER AND BY BE 2415 01:25:31,001 --> 01:25:35,000 HEALTHIER, YOU CONTROL COSTS NOT 2416 01:25:35,001 --> 01:25:36,000 BY 11 BUREAUCRACIES, BOARDS AND 2417 01:25:36,001 --> 01:25:37,000 COMMISSIONS. 2418 01:25:37,001 --> 01:25:40,000 IT STAYS WITH CONSERVATIVE 2419 01:25:40,001 --> 01:25:41,000 RESPONSIBILITY, LIMITED 2420 01:25:41,001 --> 01:25:43,000 GOVERNMENT AND FREE ENTERPRISE. 2421 01:25:43,001 --> 01:25:45,000 IT WORKS IN THIS SEGMENT OF OUR 2422 01:25:45,001 --> 01:25:46,000 ECONOMY AS IT DOES IN EVERY 2423 01:25:46,001 --> 01:25:47,000 OTHER SEGMENT. 2424 01:25:47,001 --> 01:25:55,000 I YIELD BACK. 2425 01:25:55,001 --> 01:25:57,000 . 2426 01:25:57,001 --> 01:26:00,000 MR. FLEMING: I ABSOLUTELY 2427 01:26:00,001 --> 01:26:03,000 AGREE. 2428 01:26:03,001 --> 01:26:04,000 ALREADY TODAY FROM REUTERS 2429 01:26:04,001 --> 01:26:08,000 C.M.S. JUST CAME OUT. 2430 01:26:08,001 --> 01:26:09,000 ALL OF THESEROUPS, VERY 2431 01:26:09,001 --> 01:26:11,000 NONPARTISAN, AND CERTAINLY NO 2432 01:26:11,001 --> 01:26:14,000 ONE COULD SAY "THE NEW YORK 2433 01:26:14,001 --> 01:26:15,000 TIMES" IS A REPUBLICAN OR EVEN CONSERVATIVE PICKUP I 2434 01:26:15,001 --> 01:26:16,000 WILLCATION. 2435 01:26:16,001 --> 01:26:18,000 ALL OF THESE GROUPS, THESE 2436 01:26:18,001 --> 01:26:21,000 PICKUP I WILLCATIONS, THESE 2437 01:26:21,001 --> 01:26:24,000 BOARDS, EDITORS ARE COMING OUT 2438 01:26:24,001 --> 01:26:25,000 WITH GREAT ANXIETY OVER THE 2439 01:26:25,001 --> 01:26:27,000 COST OF THIS. 2440 01:26:27,001 --> 01:26:28,000 AND YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, WHY 2441 01:26:28,001 --> 01:26:29,000 ARE THEY COMPLAINING AFTER THE 2442 01:26:29,001 --> 01:26:31,000 FACT? 2443 01:26:31,001 --> 01:26:34,000 WELL, REMEMBER THAT WE DEBATED 2444 01:26:34,001 --> 01:26:37,000 FOR WEEKS ON H.R. 3200, BUT WE 2445 01:26:37,001 --> 01:26:39,000 ONLY HAD ONE DAY, REALLY, TO 2446 01:26:39,001 --> 01:26:41,000 VOTE ON H.R. 3962, WHICH REALLY 2447 01:26:41,001 --> 01:26:43,000 DOUBLED IN SIZE AND DOUBLED A 2448 01:26:43,001 --> 01:26:45,000 NUMBER OF BUREAUCRACIES 2449 01:26:45,001 --> 01:26:49,000 VIRTUALLY OVERNIGHT. 2450 01:26:49,001 --> 01:26:50,000 AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT 2451 01:26:50,001 --> 01:26:52,000 ALL THE CELEBRATION IS OVER IN 2452 01:26:52,001 --> 01:26:54,000 THE HOUSE, WE MAY HAVE A LITTLE 2453 01:26:54,001 --> 01:26:56,000 HANGOVER GOING 2454 01:26:56,001 --> 01:26:57,000 MR. CASSIDY: WELL, AND I THINK 2455 01:26:57,001 --> 01:26:59,000 THAT PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP. 2456 01:26:59,001 --> 01:27:00,000 AGAIN, IF WE WANT TO ACHIEVE 2457 01:27:00,001 --> 01:27:02,000 OUR GOAL AND REFORM FOR ALL, 2458 01:27:02,001 --> 01:27:03,000 HEALTH CARE ACCESSIBLE AND 2459 01:27:03,001 --> 01:27:05,000 AFFORDABLE COSTS, YOU CAN'T 2460 01:27:05,001 --> 01:27:06,000 HAVE IT WITH A PROGRAM THAT 2461 01:27:06,001 --> 01:27:09,000 DRIVES UP COSTS AND DRIVES UP 2462 01:27:09,001 --> 01:27:11,000 COSTS DESPITE THE TAX HIKES AND 2463 01:27:11,001 --> 01:27:13,000 LOSS OF JOBS. 2464 01:27:13,001 --> 01:27:16,000 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL HAVE 2465 01:27:16,001 --> 01:27:22,000 TIME TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, THE 2466 01:27:22,001 --> 01:27:26,000 TIME TO WEIGH IN AS IT GOES 2467 01:27:26,001 --> 01:27:28,000 THROUGH THE SENATE AND IN CONFERENCE. 2468 01:27:28,001 --> 01:27:31,000 I SAY THEY NEED TO CONGRESS 2469 01:27:31,001 --> 01:27:32,000 TACT THEIR -- CONTACT THEIR 2470 01:27:32,001 --> 01:27:33,000 CONGRESSMAN AND ALSO 2471 01:27:33,001 --> 01:27:34,000 THEIR SENATORS AND TO SAY THAT 2472 01:27:34,001 --> 01:27:36,000 THEY WANT REFORM BUT THEY WANT 2473 01:27:36,001 --> 01:27:40,000 REFORM THAT DOESN'T KILL JOBS, 2474 01:27:40,001 --> 01:27:42,000 RAISE TAXES OR DEPRIVE US OF PERSONAL FREEDOM. 2475 01:27:42,001 --> 01:27:44,000 I THINK IN THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE 2476 01:27:44,001 --> 01:27:45,000 A BILL THAT SERVES THE 2477 01:27:45,001 --> 01:27:47,000 PEOPLE WITHOUT SACRIFICING OUR 2478 01:27:47,001 --> 01:27:50,000 VAFMENTS MR. SPEAKER, I THINK 2479 01:27:50,001 --> 01:27:51,000 WE'RE ALMOST THROUGH. 2480 01:27:51,001 --> 01:27:52,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE 2481 01:27:52,001 --> 01:27:53,000 GENTLEMAN HAS OUT 20 SECONDS. 2482 01:27:53,001 --> 01:27:57,000 MR. CASSIDY: WE YIELD BACK. 2483 01:27:57,001 --> 01:27:59,000 THANK YOU. 2484 01:27:59,001 --> 01:28:00,000 E SPEAKER THE SPEAKER'S ANNOUNCED POLICY 2485 01:28:00,001 --> 01:28:02,000 OF JANUARY 6, 2009, THE 2486 01:28:02,001 --> 01:28:03,000 GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO, MR. RYAN, 2487 01:28:03,001 --> 01:28:05,000 IS RECOGNI 60 MINUTES AS 2488 01:28:05,001 --> 01:28:08,000 THE DESIGNEE OF THE MAJORITY 2489 01:28:08,001 --> 01:28:09,000 LEADER. 2490 01:28:09,001 --> 01:28:13,000 MR. RYAN: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. 2491 01:28:13,001 --> 01:28:15,000 I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO 2492 01:28:15,001 --> 01:28:17,000 TRY TO CLEAR THE RECORD QUITE A 2493 01:28:17,001 --> 01:28:21,000 BIT, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 2494 01:28:21,001 --> 01:28:23,000 OUR HEALTH CARE REFORM PROPOSAL 2495 01:28:23,001 --> 01:28:24,000 THAT PASSED THE HOUSE OF 2496 01:28:24,001 --> 01:28:27,000 REPRESTATIVES A LITTLE MORE 2497 01:28:27,001 --> 01:28:30,000 THAN A 2498 01:28:30,001 --> 01:28:32,000 THE BENEFITS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 2499 01:28:32,001 --> 01:28:33,000 I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE 2500 01:28:33,001 --> 01:28:36,000 OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE MADE 2501 01:28:36,001 --> 01:28:38,000 BY THE OTHER SIDE OVER THE 2502 01:28:38,001 --> 01:28:40,000 COURSE OF THE LASTOUR 2503 01:28:40,001 --> 01:28:42,000 IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME 2504 01:28:42,001 --> 01:28:45,000 BECAUSE I WAS HERE OVER THE 2505 01:28:45,001 --> 01:28:48,000 LAST SEVEN YEARS AND WAS HERE 2506 01:28:48,001 --> 01:28:49,000 DU 2507 01:28:49,001 --> 01:28:55,000 BUSH ADMINISTRATION. 2508 01:28:55,001 --> 01:28:58,000 I WAS HERE 2002, 2003, 2004, 2509 01:28:58,001 --> 01:29:00,000 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 AND 2510 01:29:00,001 --> 01:29:04,000 WATCHED AS OUR FRIENDS ON THE 2511 01:29:04,001 --> 01:29:08,000 REPUBLICAN SIDE 2512 01:29:08,001 --> 01:29:11,000 THE TOP 1%, THE WEALTHIEST 1% 2513 01:29:11,001 --> 01:29:14,000 OF AMERICANS, CONTINUED TO 2514 01:29:14,001 --> 01:29:16,000 SPEND MONEY WITH A RECKLESS 2515 01:29:16,001 --> 01:29:20,000 DISREGARD FOR THE N 2516 01:29:20,001 --> 01:29:21,000 FOR DEFICITS, STARTED TWO WARS, 2517 01:29:21,001 --> 01:29:24,000 BORROWED THE MONEY FROM CHINA 2518 01:29:24,001 --> 01:29:26,000 TO PAY FOR THE WARS, BORROWED 2519 01:29:26,001 --> 01:29:27,000 MONEY FROM CHINA TO COMPENSATE 2520 01:29:27,001 --> 01:29:30,000 FOR TAX CUTS THAT WENT TO THE 2521 01:29:30,001 --> 01:29:31,000 TOP 1% OF THE WEALTHIEST 2522 01:29:31,001 --> 01:29:34,000 AMERICANS. 2523 01:29:34,001 --> 01:29:36,000 AND HERE WE ARE A COUPL YEARS 2524 01:29:36,001 --> 01:29:37,000 LATER, OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER 2525 01:29:37,001 --> 01:29:40,000 SIDE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT T 2526 01:29:40,001 --> 01:29:43,000 DEFICIT AND THE DEBT. 2527 01:29:43,001 --> 01:29:45,000 IT WAS THE PRESIDENT 2528 01:29:45,001 --> 01:29:48,000 PRESIDENT BUSH'S APPOINTEES TO 2529 01:29:48,001 --> 01:29:51,000 THE S.E.C. THAT GAVE A BLIND 2530 01:29:51,001 --> 01:29:53,000 EYE ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON 2531 01:29:53,001 --> 01:29:57,000 WALL STREET. 2532 01:29:57,001 --> 01:29:59,000 WALL STREET COLLAPSES AND THE $ 2533 01:29:59,001 --> 01:30:02,000 780 BILLION OR $800 BILLION 2534 01:30:02,001 --> 01:30:04,000 THAT WE HAD TO SPEND TO 2535 01:30:04,001 --> 01:30:05,000 STABILIZE THE ECONOMY WAS UNDER 2536 01:30:05,001 --> 01:30:07,000 PRESIDENT BUSH'S WATCH. 2537 01:30:07,001 --> 01:30:09,000 IT WASN'T UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA'S WATCH. 2538 01:30:09,001 --> 01:30:10,000 WE SPENT THE LAST NINE MONTHS 2539 01:30:10,001 --> 01:30:13,000 CLEANING UP T 2540 01:30:13,001 --> 01:30:15,000 MAE LAST EIGHT YEARS. 2541 01:30:15,001 --> 01:30:17,000 NOW, THIS IS NOT TO ASSESS BLAME. 2542 01:30:17,001 --> 01:30:18,000 WE'RE ALL IN THIS BOAT 2543 01:30:18,001 --> 01:30:19,000 TOGETHER. 2544 01:30:19,001 --> 01:30:20,000 WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. 2545 01:30:20,001 --> 01:30:23,000 I RECOGNIZE THAT. 2546 01:30:23,001 --> 01:30:24,000 BUT YOU CAN'T CAUSE ALL THESE 2547 01:30:24,001 --> 01:30:25,000 PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE 2548 01:30:25,001 --> 01:30:26,000 REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED THE 2549 01:30:26,001 --> 01:30:28,000 HOUSE, REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED 2550 01:30:28,001 --> 01:30:31,000 THE SENATE, REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED THE WHITE HOUSE, 2551 01:30:31,001 --> 01:30:35,000 REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED THE SUPREME COURT. 2552 01:30:35,001 --> 01:30:36,000 THEY PULLED EVERY LEVER OF 2553 01:30:36,001 --> 01:30:39,000 GOVERNMENT, RAN UP THE DEFICIT, 2554 01:30:39,001 --> 01:30:42,000 RAN UP THE DEBT, 2555 01:30:42,001 --> 01:30:44,000 WARS, 2556 01:30:44,001 --> 01:30:45,000 RIGHT, GIVING TAX CUTS TO THE 2557 01:30:45,001 --> 01:30:47,000 WEALTHIEST AND THEN WE WONDER 2558 01:30:47,001 --> 01:30:49,000 WHY WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 2559 01:30:49,001 --> 01:30:50,000 NO REGULATION ON WALL STREET. 2560 01:30:50,001 --> 01:30:53,000 THE ECONOMY COLLAPSES. 2561 01:30:53,001 --> 01:30:55,000 TAX REVENUES GO DOWN. 2562 01:30:55,001 --> 01:30:57,000 NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WHAT 2563 01:30:57,001 --> 01:31:02,000 OVER THE LAST EIGHT 2564 01:31:02,001 --> 01:31:03,000 OR NINE MONTHS HAS BEEN WAV 2565 01:31:03,001 --> 01:31:06,000 SOME MAGIC WAND AND ALL OF 2566 01:31:06,001 --> 01:31:07,000 THESE PROBLEMS HAVE GONE A 2567 01:31:07,001 --> 01:31:09,000 AND I REPRESENT NORTHEAST OHIO. 2568 01:31:09,001 --> 01:31:12,000 OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS AT 15% 2569 01:31:12,001 --> 01:31:16,000 IN SOME OF OUR CITIES. 2570 01:31:16,001 --> 01:31:20,000 BUT WE CA 2571 01:31:20,001 --> 01:31:22,000 THAT THE MONEY 2572 01:31:22,001 --> 01:31:25,000 GOING TO WALL STREET, THE 2573 01:31:25,001 --> 01:31:28,000 STIMULUS PACKAGE HAS AT LEAST 2574 01:31:28,001 --> 01:31:29,000 STEPPED US AWAY FROM THE CLIFF 2575 01:31:29,001 --> 01:31:32,000 THAT WE WERE ON. 2576 01:31:32,001 --> 01:31:37,000 AND WE WERE ON A CLIFF READY TO FALL OFF. 2577 01:31:37,001 --> 01:31:38,000 AS A COUNTRY, 2578 01:31:38,001 --> 01:31:39,000 AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO 2579 01:31:39,001 --> 01:31:41,000 STABILIZE THAT. 2580 01:31:41,001 --> 01:31:42,000 NOW, I'M NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT 2581 01:31:42,001 --> 01:31:44,000 THE BANKS ARE DOING. 2582 01:31:44,001 --> 01:31:45,000 I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS. 2583 01:31:45,001 --> 01:31:48,000 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MOVE 2584 01:31:48,001 --> 01:31:49,000 MORE MONEY BACK TO COMMUNITY 2585 01:31:49,001 --> 01:31:52,000 BANKS AND LET'S STIMULATE 2586 01:31:52,001 --> 01:31:54,000 LENDING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. 2587 01:31:54,001 --> 01:31:56,000 THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO 2588 01:31:56,001 --> 01:31:58,000 RECHARGE AND REVAIVE OUR ECONOMY. 2589 01:31:58,001 --> 01:31:59,000 AND THAT WOULD BE -- REVIVE OUR ECONOMY. 2590 01:31:59,001 --> 01:32:01,000 AND THAT WOD BE THE DIRECTION 2591 01:32:01,001 --> 01:32:03,000 WE NEED TO GO IN. 2592 01:32:03,001 --> 01:32:07,000 BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEE THAT 2593 01:32:07,001 --> 01:32:08,000 WE WERE LOSING JOBS AT 700,000 2594 01:32:08,001 --> 01:32:10,000 A MONTH. 2595 01:32:10,001 --> 01:32:12,000 AND NOW WE'RE STILL 2596 01:32:12,001 --> 01:32:15,000 JOBS, STILL TOO MANY, BUT IT'S 2597 01:32:15,001 --> 01:32:17,000 AT 200,000-PLUS A MONTH. 2598 01:32:17,001 --> 01:32:18,000 SO WE ARE AT LEAST TRENDING IN 2599 01:32:18,001 --> 01:32:19,000 THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT I GOT 2600 01:32:19,001 --> 01:32:22,000 TO TELL YOU, MR. SPEAKER, I GET 2601 01:32:22,001 --> 01:32:24,000 A REAL KICK OUT O 2602 01:32:24,001 --> 01:32:26,000 FELLOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO 2603 01:32:26,001 --> 01:32:29,000 CAUSED ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS 2604 01:32:29,001 --> 01:32:31,000 AND THEN NOW COMPLAIN HOW WE'RE 2605 01:32:31,001 --> 01:32:33,000 TRYING TO FIX THEM. 2606 01:32:33,001 --> 01:32:35,000 AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, YOU KNOW, 2607 01:32:35,001 --> 01:32:37,000 THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT HEALTH 2608 01:32:37,001 --> 01:32:40,000 CARE AS OUR FRIENDS 2609 01:32:40,001 --> 01:32:41,000 WERE TALKING ABOUT, THEIR 2610 01:32:41,001 --> 01:32:43,000 ASSUMPTION AND PRESUMPTION WAS 2611 01:32:43,001 --> 01:32:44,000 THAT THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS 2612 01:32:44,001 --> 01:32:46,000 WORKING JUST FINE. 2613 01:32:46,001 --> 01:32:48,000 IT'S NOT COSTING US 2614 01:32:48,001 --> 01:32:50,000 MONEY, NOT REALLY HURTING MAN 2615 01:32:50,001 --> 01:32:53,000 PEOPLE, EVERYONE HAS ACCESS, NO 2616 01:32:53,001 --> 01:32:56,000 PRAGSING TODAY. 2617 01:32:56,001 --> 01:32:58,000 -- NO RATIONING TODAY, WHICH 2618 01:32:58,001 --> 01:32:59,000 ALT IS NOT TRUE. 2619 01:32:59,001 --> 01:33:02,000 WE HAVE HEALTH CARE GROWING AT 2620 01:33:02,001 --> 01:33:06,000 A 9% CLIP. 2621 01:33:06,001 --> 01:33:07,000 WE HAVE THE G.D.P. GROWING AT A 2622 01:33:07,001 --> 01:33:09,000 3% CLIP. 2623 01:33:09,001 --> 01:33:11,000 YOU CONTINUE TO DO THE MATH, 2624 01:33:11,001 --> 01:33:13,000 YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT IN 10 2625 01:33:13,001 --> 01:33:19,000 YEARS ONE OUT OF EVERY DOLLAR 5 2626 01:33:19,001 --> 01:33:21,000 HEALTH CARE 2627 01:33:21,001 --> 01:33:23,000 ECONOMY WILL BE SPENT ON HEALTH CARE. 2628 01:33:23,001 --> 01:33:27,000 AND IN 30 YEARS, ONE IN EVERY 2629 01:33:27,001 --> 01:33:29,000 $3 WILL BE SPENT ON HEALTH. 2630 01:33:29,001 --> 01:33:30,000 THAT IS UNSUSTAINABLE. 2631 01:33:30,001 --> 01:33:33,000 UNSUSTAINABLE. 2632 01:33:33,001 --> 01:33:35,000 AND TO THINK IF WE DO NOTHING 2633 01:33:35,001 --> 01:33:37,000 WHICH IS BASICA 2634 01:33:37,001 --> 01:33:39,000 REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL WAS WAS TO 2635 01:33:39,001 --> 01:33:41,000 JUST KEEP DOING WHAT WE DO, 2636 01:33:41,001 --> 01:33:45,000 DOESN'T COVER MORE PEOPLE, 2637 01:33:45,001 --> 01:33:48,000 DOESN'T TAKE CARE A LOT OF THE 2638 01:33:48,001 --> 01:33:49,000 HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES THAT ARE 2639 01:33:49,001 --> 01:33:51,000 INVOLVED HERE, IF WE CONTINUE 2640 01:33:51,001 --> 01:33:52,000 TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING, THE 2641 01:33:52,001 --> 01:33:55,000 AVERAGE FAMILY IN AMERICA WILL 2642 01:33:55,001 --> 01:33:56,000 PAY ANOTHER $1,800 A YEAR IN 2643 01:33:56,001 --> 01:33:58,000 HEALTH CARE NEXT YEAR. 2644 01:33:58,001 --> 01:33:59,000 AND THEN ANOTHER $1,800 THE 2645 01:33:59,001 --> 01:34:00,000 FOLLOWING YEAR. 2646 01:34:00,001 --> 01:34:01,000 AND ANOTHER $2,000 THE 2647 01:34:01,001 --> 01:34:04,000 FOLLOWING YEAR. 2648 01:34:04,001 --> 01:34:06,000 AND WE WILL CONTINUE DOWN A 2649 01:34:06,001 --> 01:34:11,000 ROAD WHERE THIS CONTINUES TO 2650 01:34:11,001 --> 01:34:16,000 EAT UP THE WHOLE FAMILY BUDGET 2651 01:34:16,001 --> 01:34:19,000 I HAVE A MEMBER OF MY STAFF W 2652 01:34:19,001 --> 01:34:21,000 HAS AN AETNA 7-D HEALTH CARE 2653 01:34:21,001 --> 01:34:22,000 PLAN. 2654 01:34:22,001 --> 01:34:24,000 OK. 2655 01:34:24,001 --> 01:34:26,000 IN 2007 HIS CO-PAY WAS $237 A 2656 01:34:26,001 --> 01:34:29,000 MONTH. 2657 01:34:29,001 --> 01:34:34,000 IN 2008 IT WENT UP 22%. 2658 01:34:34,001 --> 01:34:40,000 IN 2009 IT WENT UP 9.7%. 2659 01:34:40,001 --> 01:34:42,000 AND IN 2010 2660 01:34:42,001 --> 01:34:44,000 NOW, THIS IS A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE 2661 01:34:44,001 --> 01:34:45,000 AND THIS IS HAPPENING ALL 2662 01:34:45,001 --> 01:34:46,000 TH 2663 01:34:46,001 --> 01:34:51,000 THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY. 2664 01:34:51,001 --> 01:34:54,000 SO FM 2007 TO 2010, 142% 2665 01:34:54,001 --> 01:34:55,000 INCREASE FOR GENE CROCKETT IN 2666 01:34:55,001 --> 01:34:58,000 NILES, OHIO. 2667 01:34:58,001 --> 01:35:02,000 NOW, OUR FRIENDS ON THE 2668 01:35:02,001 --> 01:35:03,000 SIDE, AH, JUST KEEP DOING WHAT 2669 01:35:03,001 --> 01:35:04,000 WE'RE DOING. 2670 01:35:04,001 --> 01:35:05,000 THINGS ARE OK. 2671 01:35:05,001 --> 01:35:10,000 THINGS ARE FINE. 2672 01:35:10,001 --> 01:35:11,000 WE'LL GET TO IT. 2673 01:35:11,001 --> 01:35:14,000 AND THIS IS CHANGE. 2674 01:35:14,001 --> 01:35:15,000 AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A 2675 01:35:15,001 --> 01:35:20,000 DIFFICULT PROCESS. 2676 01:35:20,001 --> 01:35:22,000 BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, AND 2677 01:35:22,001 --> 01:35:24,000 IT PASSED THE HOUSE IN A 2678 01:35:24,001 --> 01:35:26,000 HISTORIC VOTE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 2679 01:35:26,001 --> 01:35:31,000 AND WE WILL CONTINUE MOVING IN 2680 01:35:31,001 --> 01:35:32,000 THAT DIRECTION SO THAT GENE 2681 01:35:32,001 --> 01:35:33,000 CROCKETTS OF THE WORLD AND 2682 01:35:33,001 --> 01:35:35,000 AVERAGE PEOPLE AROUND THE 2683 01:35:35,001 --> 01:35:36,000 COUNTRY WHO SEE THIS EATING UP 2684 01:35:36,001 --> 01:35:38,000 MORE AND MORE OF THEIR BUDGET 2685 01:35:38,001 --> 01:35:40,000 WILL GET SOME RELIEF. 2686 01:35:40,001 --> 01:35:41,000 AND I WAS AMAZED OVER THE LAST 2687 01:35:41,001 --> 01:35:44,000 WEEKEND I WAS HOME AND LAST 2688 01:35:44,001 --> 01:35:46,000 WEEK I WAS HOME, YOU KNOW, I'D 2689 01:35:46,001 --> 01:35:48,000 BE AT A RESTAURANT AND PEOPLE 2690 01:35:48,001 --> 01:35:50,000 WOULD REAL QUIET KIND OF LOOK 2691 01:35:50,001 --> 01:35:52,000 AT ME AND SAY, HEY, THANKS FOR 2692 01:35:52,001 --> 01:35:53,000 YOUR VOTE ON HEALTH CARE, 2693 01:35:53,001 --> 01:35:54,000 CONGRESSMAN. 2694 01:35:54,001 --> 01:35:56,000 YOU KNOW, REAL QUIET. 2695 01:35:56,001 --> 01:35:57,000 AND THAT'S HOW THIS DEBATE HAS 2696 01:35:57,001 --> 01:35:59,000 BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY. 2697 01:35:59,001 --> 01:36:01,000 AND THE POLLS ARE BEARING IT OUT. 2698 01:36:01,001 --> 01:36:03,000 THE AARP POLL THAT JUST CAME 2699 01:36:03,001 --> 01:36:04,000 OUT SHOWED SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT 2700 01:36:04,001 --> 01:36:05,000 FOR THIS. 2701 01:36:05,001 --> 01:36:07,000 ANOTHER POLL I WAS JUST LOOKING 2702 01:36:07,001 --> 01:36:08,000 AT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, 2703 01:36:08,001 --> 01:36:09,000 SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FOR SOME OF 2704 01:36:09,001 --> 01:36:11,000 THESE PROVISIONS. 2705 01:36:11,001 --> 01:36:14,000 BECAUSE WE TAKE CARE OF THE 2706 01:36:14,001 --> 01:36:15,000 BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUES OF THE 2707 01:36:15,001 --> 01:36:18,000 HEALTH CARE SITUATION WE HAVE 2708 01:36:18,001 --> 01:36:21,000 IN THIS COUNTRY. 2709 01:36:21,001 --> 01:36:24,000 IF YOU'RE A KID OR YOU'RE 27 2710 01:36:24,001 --> 01:36:26,000 YEARS OLD OR YOUNGER, YOU CAN 2711 01:36:26,001 --> 01:36:29,000 STAY BECAUSE -- IF THIS REFORM 2712 01:36:29,001 --> 01:36:31,000 PASSES AND OUT OF THE HOUSE 2713 01:36:31,001 --> 01:36:32,000 VERSION AND SOME OF THESE 2714 01:36:32,001 --> 01:36:34,000 PROVISIONS IN THE HOUSE VERSION 2715 01:36:34,001 --> 01:36:36,000 STAY IN, IF YOU'RE 27 YEARS OLD 2716 01:36:36,001 --> 01:36:37,000 OR YOUNGER, YOU CAN STAY ON 2717 01:36:37,001 --> 01:36:42,000 YOUR PARENT'S INSURANCE. 2718 01:36:42,001 --> 01:36:43,000 IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN DENIED 2719 01:36:43,001 --> 01:36:46,000 INSURANCE COVERAGE BECAUSE YOU 2720 01:36:46,001 --> 01:36:49,000 HAVE SOME PRE-EXISTING 2721 01:36:49,001 --> 01:36:51,000 CONDITION, THIS REFORM WILL END 2722 01:36:51,001 --> 01:36:53,000 THAT PRACTICE. 2723 01:36:53,001 --> 01:36:55,000 THAT NO LONGER HAPPEN IN THE 2724 01:36:55,001 --> 01:36:56,000 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA EVER AGAIN. 2725 01:36:56,001 --> 01:37:00,000 AND OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER 2726 01:37:00,001 --> 01:37:03,000 SIDE VOTED AGAINST IT. 2727 01:37:03,001 --> 01:37:05,000 I WAS GETTING MY HAIRCUT LAST 2728 01:37:05,001 --> 01:37:09,000 WEEK AND WAS TALKING TO THE 2729 01:37:09,001 --> 01:37:11,000 OWNER OF THE -- GETTING MY HAIR 2730 01:37:11,001 --> 01:37:13,000 CUT LAST WEEK AND WAS TALKING 2731 01:37:13,001 --> 01:37:15,000 TO THE OWNER OF THE HAIR SALON 2732 01:37:15,001 --> 01:37:17,000 AND SAID, WE NEED TO PASS THIS 2733 01:37:17,001 --> 01:37:19,000 HEALTH CARE REFORM, NEEDED HELP. 2734 01:37:19,001 --> 01:37:20,000 JUST HEARD A STORY ABOUT HER 2735 01:37:20,001 --> 01:37:22,000 DAUGHTER WHO STARTED WORKING 2736 01:37:22,001 --> 01:37:25,000 WITH HER AND THE DAUGHTER HAD 2737 01:37:25,001 --> 01:37:29,000 ASTHMA GROWING UP, WENT TO GET 2738 01:37:29,001 --> 01:37:31,000 INSURANCE AND SHE HAD TO SIGN 2739 01:37:31,001 --> 01:37:33,000 BASICALLY AN AGREEMENT WITH THE 2740 01:37:33,001 --> 01:37:35,000 INSURANCE COMPANY SAYING THAT 2741 01:37:35,001 --> 01:37:38,000 IF SHE GOES 2742 01:37:38,001 --> 01:37:40,000 BECAUSE OF ASTHMA THAT THE 2743 01:37:40,001 --> 01:37:42,000 INSURANCE COMPANY WILL NOT PAY 2744 01:37:42,001 --> 01:37:45,000 FOR THAT HOSPITAL VISIT. 2745 01:37:45,001 --> 01:37:48,000 SO THE GIRL HAS ASTHMA, SHE'S 2746 01:37:48,001 --> 01:37:49,000 PAYING A LOT OF MONEY 2747 01:37:49,001 --> 01:37:51,000 HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND 2748 01:37:51,001 --> 01:37:55,000 HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH TO 2749 01:37:55,001 --> 01:37:56,000 GET INSURANCE, AND THE ONE 2750 01:37:56,001 --> 01:37:58,000 THING THAT SHE'S PROBABLY GOING 2751 01:37:58,001 --> 01:37:59,000 TO NEED HER MONEY FOR HER 2752 01:37:59,001 --> 01:38:03,000 INSU 2753 01:38:03,001 --> 01:38:04,000 NOW, DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE 2754 01:38:04,001 --> 01:38:06,000 TO CONTINUE WITH A SYSTEM THAT 2755 01:38:06,001 --> 01:38:07,000 TAKES YOUR MONEY BUT WILL NOT 2756 01:38:07,001 --> 01:38:09,000 COVER YOU? 2757 01:38:09,001 --> 01:38:11,000 THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY FAIR. 2758 01:38:11,001 --> 01:38:13,000 AND THAT PROCESS, THAT 2759 01:38:13,001 --> 01:38:16,000 PROVISION, THAT PRACTICE WILL 2760 01:38:16,001 --> 01:38:18,000 BE ELIMINATED. 2761 01:38:18,001 --> 01:38:19,000 DONE. 2762 01:38:19,001 --> 01:38:21,000 NO MORE. 2763 01:38:21,001 --> 01:38:24,000 FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE VOTED AGAINST THAT. 2764 01:38:24,001 --> 01:38:30,000 WE ALSO HAVE IN THE HOUSE 2765 01:38:30,001 --> 01:38:36,000 VERSION A PROVISION THAT LIMITS 2766 01:38:36,001 --> 01:38:38,000 E AMOUNT OF MONEY AND, POINT, 2767 01:38:38,001 --> 01:38:39,000 THE 27 YEARS OLD AND 2768 01:38:39,001 --> 01:38:40,000 PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, HAPPENS 2769 01:38:40,001 --> 01:38:42,000 AS THE BILL IS PASSED. 2770 01:38:42,001 --> 01:38:44,000 SO THAT WILL START IMMEDIATELY. 2771 01:38:44,001 --> 01:38:45,000 THIS IS NOT -- NOW, THE 2772 01:38:45,001 --> 01:38:46,000 EXCHANGE AND SOME OTHER THINGS 2773 01:38:46,001 --> 01:38:49,000 START IN 2013. 2774 01:38:49,001 --> 01:38:51,000 BUT THOSE TWO PROVISIONS START 2775 01:38:51,001 --> 01:38:53,000 IMMEDIATELY. 2776 01:38:53,001 --> 01:38:55,000 SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SEE 2777 01:38:55,001 --> 01:38:56,000 THE BENEFITS OF THAT RATHER 2778 01:38:56,001 --> 01:38:59,000 QUICKLY. 2779 01:38:59,001 --> 01:39:03,000 ANOTHER PROVISION IN THIS BILL 2780 01:39:03,001 --> 01:39:07,000 SAYS THAT WITH -- THERE WILL BE 2781 01:39:07,001 --> 01:39:11,000 LIMITS TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY A 2782 01:39:11,001 --> 01:39:13,000 PERSON OR FAMILY 2783 01:39:13,001 --> 01:39:14,000 YEAR. 2784 01:39:14,001 --> 01:39:16,000 IN THE HOUSE BILL IT WAS ABOUT 2785 01:39:16,001 --> 01:39:19,000 12% OF YOUR INCOME WHICH IS STILL A LOT. 2786 01:39:19,001 --> 01:39:21,000 SO IF YOU MAKE $50,000 OR 2787 01:39:21,001 --> 01:39:23,000 $60,000 A YEAR, YOU HAVE A 2788 01:39:23,001 --> 01:39:26,000 HEALTH CARE CATASTROPHE IN YOUR 2789 01:39:26,001 --> 01:39:30,000 FAMILY, AFTER YOU PAY $5,000 OR 2790 01:39:30,001 --> 01:39:32,000 $6,000 OUT OF POCKET IN HEALTH 2791 01:39:32,001 --> 01:39:35,000 CARE YOU'RE DONE PAYING FOR THE 2792 01:39:35,001 --> 01:39:38,000 REST OF THAT YEAR. 2793 01:39:38,001 --> 01:39:41,000 SO FAMILIES IN AMERICA WILL NO 2794 01:39:41,001 --> 01:39:42,000 LONGER GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE THEY 2795 01:39:42,001 --> 01:39:44,000 HAVE A HEALTH CARE CATASTROPHE 2796 01:39:44,001 --> 01:39:46,000 IN THEIR FAMILY. 2797 01:39:46,001 --> 01:39:48,000 NOW, IF THAT'S NOT A HUMAN 2798 01:39:48,001 --> 01:39:49,000 RIGH DON'T KNOW WHAT 2799 01:39:49,001 --> 01:39:52,000 A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE IS. 2800 01:39:52,001 --> 01:39:54,000 AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS 2801 01:39:54,001 --> 01:39:58,000 BILL DOES. 2802 01:39:58,001 --> 01:40:00,000 SO NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER 2803 01:40:00,001 --> 01:40:02,000 WHAT, FAMILIES IN THIS COUNTRY 2804 01:40:02,001 --> 01:40:07,000 WILL NOT GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF 2805 01:40:07,001 --> 01:40:09,000 HEALTH CARE SITUATIONS IN THEIR FAMILY. 2806 01:40:09,001 --> 01:40:10,000 AND IF YOU LOOK AT MY DISTRICT 2807 01:40:10,001 --> 01:40:12,000 ALONE, 17TH CONGRESSIONAL 2808 01:40:12,001 --> 01:40:18,000 DISTRICT STRETCHES FROM AKRON, 2809 01:40:18,001 --> 01:40:20,000 TO KENT, ROVINA, IN PORTAGE 2810 01:40:20,001 --> 01:40:22,000 COUNTY, IN TRUMBLE COUNTY, IN 2811 01:40:22,001 --> 01:40:24,000 YOUNGSTOWN, OHIO, IN MAHONEY 2812 01:40:24,001 --> 01:40:29,000 COUNTY, THE OLD STEEL BELT, 2813 01:40:29,001 --> 01:40:31,000 JUST LAST YEAR IN MY DISTRICT 2814 01:40:31,001 --> 01:40:32,000 1,700 F 2815 01:40:32,001 --> 01:40:49,000 BECAUSE OF HEALTH CARE. 2816 01:40:49,001 --> 01:40:50,000 . 2817 01:40:50,001 --> 01:40:51,000 OUR FRIENDS 2818 01:40:51,001 --> 01:40:55,000 ARE 3-3 NOW. 2819 01:40:55,001 --> 01:40:57,000 THEY VOTED FOR ALLOWING KIDS TO 2820 01:40:57,001 --> 01:40:59,000 STAY ON THEIR PARENT'S 2821 01:40:59,001 --> 01:41:01,000 INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE 27 2822 01:41:01,001 --> 01:41:04,000 YEARS OLD, WE SAID THAT YOU C 2823 01:41:04,001 --> 01:41:06,000 NO LONGER BE DENIED CERAGE 2824 01:41:06,001 --> 01:41:08,000 BECAUSE PRE-EXISTING 2825 01:41:08,001 --> 01:41:10,000 CONDITIONS, DIABETES, CANCER, 2826 01:41:10,001 --> 01:41:13,000 HEART DISEASE, YAZZ THAT, WE 2827 01:41:13,001 --> 01:41:14,000 PUT AN END TO THAT PRACTICE, 2828 01:41:14,001 --> 01:41:15,000 REPUBLICANS ON THE OTHER SIDE 2829 01:41:15,001 --> 01:41:18,000 EXCEPT FOR ONE COAGEOUS 2830 01:41:18,001 --> 01:41:34,000 SOLDIER DOWN IN LOUISIANA ALL VOTED AGAINST IT. 2831 01:41:34,001 --> 01:41:37,000 . 2832 01:41:37,001 --> 01:41:39,000 WE D'T HAVE PEOPLE GOING 2833 01:41:39,001 --> 01:41:43,000 BANKRUPT PASSED IN THE HEALTH 2834 01:41:43,001 --> 01:41:45,000 CARE REFORM EVERY REPLICAN 2835 01:41:45,001 --> 01:41:49,000 SAY ONE COURAGEOUS SOLDIER DOWN 2836 01:41:49,001 --> 01:41:51,000 IN LOUISIANA VOTED AGAINST IT. 2837 01:41:51,001 --> 01:41:53,000 OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE 2838 01:41:53,001 --> 01:41:55,000 WERE TALKING ABOUT SMALL 2839 01:41:55,001 --> 01:41:58,000 BUSINESS -- SMALL BUSINESSES 2840 01:41:58,001 --> 01:42:00,000 BEING AFFECTED BY THIS. 2841 01:42:00,001 --> 01:42:03,000 86% OF SMALL BUSIN 2842 01:42:03,001 --> 01:42:07,000 EXEMPTED FROM THIS LEGISLATION. 2843 01:42:07,001 --> 01:42:10,000 BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GO IN 2844 01:42:10,001 --> 01:42:11,000 TO THE H 2845 01:42:11,001 --> 01:42:13,000 EXCHANGE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN 2846 01:42:13,001 --> 01:42:15,000 HAVE A LOT MORE BARGAING 2847 01:42:15,001 --> 01:42:18,000 POWER THAN THEY HAD BEFORE 2848 01:42:18,001 --> 01:42:20,000 BECAUSE THEY WOULD GON TO 2849 01:42:20,001 --> 01:42:23,000 CALL THE HEALTH CARE FOLKS UP 2850 01:42:23,001 --> 01:42:25,000 AND WHAT YOU GOT, HOW MANY 2851 01:42:25,001 --> 01:42:27,000 EMPLOYEES DO YOU GOT, 10, 15, 2852 01:42:27,001 --> 01:42:29,000 20ND THE INCREASE OVER THE 2853 01:42:29,001 --> 01:42:32,000 LAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS HAS 2854 01:42:32,001 --> 01:42:33,000 BEEN ABOUT 120% INCREASE FOR 2855 01:42:33,001 --> 01:42:36,000 SMALL BUSINESSES. 2856 01:42:36,001 --> 01:42:37,000 THIS ALLOWS THESE SMALL 2857 01:42:37,001 --> 01:42:41,000 BUSINESSES, MR. MURPHY, TO GO 2858 01:42:41,001 --> 01:42:43,000 IN TO THE EXCHANGE, TO POOL 2859 01:42:43,001 --> 01:42:45,000 THEIR NUMBERS, TO GET BETTER 2860 01:42:45,001 --> 01:42:46,000 NEGOTIATING POWER, MORE 2861 01:42:46,001 --> 01:42:47,000 NEGOTIATING POWER AND BETTER 2862 01:42:47,001 --> 01:42:48,000 RATES BECAUSE OF THEIR ABILITY 2863 01:42:48,001 --> 01:42:50,000 TO POOL WITH EACH OTHER. 2864 01:42:50,001 --> 01:42:53,000 AND THAT WILL REDUCE HEALTH 2865 01:42:53,001 --> 01:42:54,000 CARE COSTS FOR SMALL 2866 01:42:54,001 --> 01:42:55,000 BUSINESSES. 2867 01:42:55,001 --> 01:42:57,000 AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S 2868 01:42:57,001 --> 01:42:58,000 GOING TO BE THE SMALL BUSINESS 2869 01:42:58,001 --> 01:43:02,000 FOLKS WHO WILL SEE THIS HEALTH 2870 01:43:02,001 --> 01:43:03,000 CARE REFORM AS A REAL STEP INTO 2871 01:43:03,001 --> 01:43:05,000 TRYING TO HELP THEM CONTROL 2872 01:43:05,001 --> 01:43:07,000 HEALTH CARE COSTS SO THEY CAN 2873 01:43:07,001 --> 01:43:08,000 REINVEST BACK INTO THEIR COMPANY. 2874 01:43:08,001 --> 01:43:09,000 MR. MURPHY. 2875 01:43:09,001 --> 01:43:11,000 MR. MURPHY: THANK YOU, MR. RYAN. 2876 01:43:11,001 --> 01:43:12,000 I THANK YOU FOR CONVENING US 2877 01:43:12,001 --> 01:43:15,000 DOWN HERE AGAIN. 2878 01:43:15,001 --> 01:43:17,000 AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT TO 2879 01:43:17,001 --> 01:43:18,000 FOCUS US ON THE ISSUE OF SMALL 2880 01:43:18,001 --> 01:43:20,000 BUSINESSES BECAUSE THAT IS 2881 01:43:20,001 --> 01:43:23,000 WHERE THE PROBLEM HAS LAID FOR 2882 01:43:23,001 --> 01:43:24,000 A VERY LONG TIME. 2883 01:43:24,001 --> 01:43:26,000 SMALL BUSINESS MEN AND WOMEN 2884 01:43:26,001 --> 01:43:28,000 WITH A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES, 2885 01:43:28,001 --> 01:43:30,000 MAYBE 10, 15, 20 EMPLOYEES, 2886 01:43:30,001 --> 01:43:31,000 THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT 2887 01:43:31,001 --> 01:43:32,000 THING, THEY WANT TO PROVIDE 2888 01:43:32,001 --> 01:43:34,000 INSURANCE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. 2889 01:43:34,001 --> 01:43:36,000 MARGINS 2890 01:43:36,001 --> 01:43:37,000 THEY FACE NORMALLY AND IN 2891 01:43:37,001 --> 01:43:38,000 PARTICULAR WITH THE KIND OF 2892 01:43:38,001 --> 01:43:40,000 MARGINS THEY'RE FACING IN THIS 2893 01:43:40,001 --> 01:43:41,000 ECONOMY COMBINED WITH THEIR 2894 01:43:41,001 --> 01:43:44,000 INABILITY TO ACCESS CAPITAL 2895 01:43:44,001 --> 01:43:45,000 FROM THE LENDERS IN THEIR 2896 01:43:45,001 --> 01:43:46,000 COMMUNITY TRADITIONALLY MIGHT 2897 01:43:46,001 --> 01:43:48,000 BE PROVIDING THEM WITH LOANS 2898 01:43:48,001 --> 01:43:50,000 MEANS THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM TO 2899 01:43:50,001 --> 01:43:54,000 PROVIDE HEALTH CARE. 2900 01:43:54,001 --> 01:43:58,000 AND IN MY DISTRICT IT PROMPTED 2901 01:43:58,001 --> 01:43:59,000 ONE INDIVIDUAL, A BRAVE 2902 01:43:59,001 --> 01:44:02,000 BUSINESSMAN NAMEDEVIN GAL VIN 2903 01:44:02,001 --> 01:44:04,000 WHO HAD HIS OWN -- GALVIN WHO 2904 01:44:04,001 --> 01:44:06,000 HAD HIS OWN EXPERIENCE WITH 2905 01:44:06,001 --> 01:44:07,000 CONFRONTING OUR VERY BACKWARDS 2906 01:44:07,001 --> 01:44:10,000 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM WHEN HIS 2907 01:44:10,001 --> 01:44:13,000 DAUGHTER GOT VERY SICK AND 2908 01:44:13,001 --> 01:44:14,000 FORCED THAT FAMILY 2909 01:44:14,001 --> 01:44:16,000 THROUGH LAYERS OF BUREAUCRACY 2910 01:44:16,001 --> 01:44:18,000 AND LAYERS OF APPEAL TO TRY TO 2911 01:44:18,001 --> 01:44:22,000 GET THEIR OWN INSURANCE COMPANY 2912 01:44:22,001 --> 01:44:23,000 TO TRY TO COVER HER, HE RUNS A 2913 01:44:23,001 --> 01:44:25,000 SMALL BUSINESS IN CONNECTICUT, 2914 01:44:25,001 --> 01:44:27,000 A MAINTENANCE COMPA 2915 01:44:27,001 --> 01:44:29,000 EMPLOYS A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE. 2916 01:44:29,001 --> 01:44:31,000 ANTHEIR MARGINS 2917 01:44:31,001 --> 01:44:32,000 THAT HE CAN'T AFFORD TO PROVIDE 2918 01:44:32,001 --> 01:44:35,000 INSURANCE FOR HIS EMPLOYEES. 2919 01:44:35,001 --> 01:44:37,000 NOW, HE'GONE THROUGH IT, THE 2920 01:44:37,001 --> 01:44:38,000 TRAGEDY OF TRYING TO GET 2921 01:44:38,001 --> 01:44:39,000 TOGETHER THE MONEY 2922 01:44:39,001 --> 01:44:41,000 INSURANCE CLAIMS IN ORDER TO 2923 01:44:41,001 --> 01:44:42,000 PAY FOR THE CARE OF A SICK 2924 01:44:42,001 --> 01:44:43,000 LOVED ONE. 2925 01:44:43,001 --> 01:44:45,000 AND SO IT'S RIPPED HIM APART 2926 01:44:45,001 --> 01:44:46,000 CAN'T PROVIDE INSURANCE 2927 01:44:46,001 --> 01:44:48,000 FOR HIS EMPLOYEES. 2928 01:44:48,001 --> 01:44:49,000 AND SO HE DECIDED TO GO OUT AND 2929 01:44:49,001 --> 01:44:52,000 DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. 2930 01:44:52,001 --> 01:44:53,000 HE DECIDED TO GO OUT IN 2931 01:44:53,001 --> 01:44:54,000 CONNECTICUT AND ORGANIZE SMALL 2932 01:44:54,001 --> 01:44:57,000 BUSINESSES AROUND THE STATE FOR 2933 01:44:57,001 --> 01:44:59,000 HEALTH CARE REFORM. 2934 01:44:59,001 --> 01:45:02,000 AND HIS GROUP, SMALL BUSINESSES 2935 01:45:02,001 --> 01:45:04,000 FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM CENTERED 2936 01:45:04,001 --> 01:45:08,000 IN CONNECTICUT HAS THOUSANDS, 2937 01:45:08,001 --> 01:45:10,000 THE CONNECTICUT SMALL BUSINESS 2938 01:45:10,001 --> 01:45:13,000 COMMUNITY ALL RALLIED AROUND 2939 01:45:13,001 --> 01:45:15,000 OUR EFFORT TO PROVIDE RELIEF 2940 01:45:15,001 --> 01:45:17,000 FOR THOSE SMALL EMPYERS THAT 2941 01:45:17,001 --> 01:45:18,000 DESPERATELY WANT TO GE 2942 01:45:18,001 --> 01:45:19,000 CARE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES BUT 2943 01:45:19,001 --> 01:45:20,000 THEY CAN'T. 2944 01:45:20,001 --> 01:45:21,000 THEY CAN'T IN PART BECAUSE OF 2945 01:45:21,001 --> 01:45:23,000 THE MARGINS THAT THEY HAVE. 2946 01:45:23,001 --> 01:45:25,000 THEY CAN'T ALSO BECAUSE THEY 2947 01:45:25,001 --> 01:45:28,000 ARE ON AVERAGE, AS YOU POINTED 2948 01:45:28,001 --> 01:45:30,000 OUT, MR. RYAN, ARE PAYING ABOUT 2949 01:45:30,001 --> 01:45:32,000 15% TO 20% MORE IN PREMIUMS 2950 01:45:32,001 --> 01:45:34,000 THAN LARGE BUSINESSES ARE. 2951 01:45:34,001 --> 01:45:35,000 IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A MATTER 2952 01:45:35,001 --> 01:45:37,000 OF SIMPLE ECONOMICS. 2953 01:45:37,001 --> 01:45:39,000 IF YOU'RE BARGAINING WITH THE 2954 01:45:39,001 --> 01:45:41,000 INSURANCE COMPANIES ON PREMIUMS 2955 01:45:41,001 --> 01:45:42,000 FOR ONLY A HANDFUL OF 2956 01:45:42,001 --> 01:45:44,000 EMPLOYEES, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO 2957 01:45:44,001 --> 01:45:46,000 GET A WORSE DEAL AND HAVE 2958 01:45:46,001 --> 01:45:48,000 PAY A HIGHER PRICE THAN IF YOU 2959 01:45:48,001 --> 01:45:52,000 WERE A BIG BUSINESS THAT HAVE A 2960 01:45:52,001 --> 01:45:58,000 CUP -- HAS A COUPLE HUNDRED EMPLOYEES. 2961 01:45:58,001 --> 01:46:00,000 SO HE SEES THE GENIUS, NOT 2962 01:46:00,001 --> 01:46:02,000 SUBSTITUTE OUR CURRENT HEALTH 2963 01:46:02,001 --> 01:46:04,000 CARE SYSTEM OF SOME OTHER 2964 01:46:04,001 --> 01:46:06,000 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, NOT 2965 01:46:06,001 --> 01:46:07,000 IN WHAT THE CABLE NEWS TALK 2966 01:46:07,001 --> 01:46:10,000 SHOW HOST CLAIM AS GOVERNMENT 2967 01:46:10,001 --> 01:46:12,000 TAKEOVER BUT MAKE THE 2968 01:46:12,001 --> 01:46:13,000 MARKET TAKE OVER BUT TO ALLOW 2969 01:46:13,001 --> 01:46:15,000 KEVIN GALVIN AND HIS EMPLOYEES 2970 01:46:15,001 --> 01:46:16,000 TO JOIN TOGETHER WITH ALL OF 2971 01:46:16,001 --> 01:46:17,000 THOSE OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES 2972 01:46:17,001 --> 01:46:19,000 WHO ARE IN THE SAME POSITION 2973 01:46:19,001 --> 01:46:22,000 WITH ALL OF THOSE OTHER 2974 01:46:22,001 --> 01:46:23,000 UNINSURED INDIVIDUAL 2975 01:46:23,001 --> 01:46:26,000 PROPRIETORS WHO ARE NEGOTIATING 2976 01:46:26,001 --> 01:46:27,000 ON BEHALF OF ONLY THEMSELVES, 2977 01:46:27,001 --> 01:46:29,000 PUT THEM ALL IN A POOL AND TO 2978 01:46:29,001 --> 01:46:30,000 ALLOW THEM TO NEGOTIATE FOR 2979 01:46:30,001 --> 01:46:31,000 LOWER PREMIUMS AGAINST THE 2980 01:46:31,001 --> 01:46:33,000 INSURANCE COMPANIES WITH THE 2981 01:46:33,001 --> 01:46:36,000 KIND OF BULK PURCHASING POW 2982 01:46:36,001 --> 01:46:37,000 THAT WE KNOW WORKS. 2983 01:46:37,001 --> 01:46:39,000 AND SO WE HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES 2984 01:46:39,001 --> 01:46:41,000 THROUGHOUT CONNECTICUT THAT ARE 2985 01:46:41,001 --> 01:46:43,000 STANDING UP AND SCREAMING FOR 2986 01:46:43,001 --> 01:46:44,000 HEALTH CARE 2987 01:46:44,001 --> 01:46:47,000 BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PROVIDE 2988 01:46:47,001 --> 01:46:48,000 HEALTH CARE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES 2989 01:46:48,001 --> 01:46:50,000 AND THOSE THAT ALREADY ARE BEING 2990 01:46:50,001 --> 01:46:52,000 CRUSHED BY THE WEIGHT OF THOSE PREMIUMS. 2991 01:46:52,001 --> 01:46:55,000 WHEN THEY LOOK AT THIS BILL, 2992 01:46:55,001 --> 01:46:56,000 WHEN THEY SEE THE HEALTH CARE 2993 01:46:56,001 --> 01:46:57,000 EXCHANGE POOLS ALL OF THEIR 2994 01:46:57,001 --> 01:46:59,000 PURCHASING POWER TOGETHER, WHEN 2995 01:46:59,001 --> 01:47:01,000 THEY SEE THE TAXREDITS IN THE 2996 01:47:01,001 --> 01:47:03,000 BILL THAT IN MY DISTRICT ALONE, 2997 01:47:03,001 --> 01:47:05,000 MR. RYAN, ARE GOING TO MEAN THAT 2998 01:47:05,001 --> 01:47:07,000 17,000 SMALL BUSINESSES WILL NOW 2999 01:47:07,001 --> 01:47:10,000 PAY LOWER TAXES BECAUSE THEY'RE 3000 01:47:10,001 --> 01:47:11,000 GOING TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET THEIR 3001 01:47:11,001 --> 01:47:13,000 HEALTH CARE EXPENSES AGAINST 3002 01:47:13,001 --> 01:47:14,000 THEIR TAX OBLIGATION, THEY SEE A 3003 01:47:14,001 --> 01:47:16,000 TREMENDOUS BENEFIT. 3004 01:47:16,001 --> 01:47:18,000 AND IF WE WANT TO POINT THE WAY 3005 01:47:18,001 --> 01:47:19,000 FORWARD ON THE ECONOMIC 3006 01:47:19,001 --> 01:47:22,000 RE 3007 01:47:22,001 --> 01:47:24,000 IF WE WANT TO START TO PLOT A 3008 01:47:24,001 --> 01:47:27,000 REAL STRATEGY ABOUT HOW WE GROW 3009 01:47:27,001 --> 01:47:29,000 JOBS, JOBS IN THIS COUNTRY, 3010 01:47:29,001 --> 01:47:32,000 SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE SOLUTION. 3011 01:47:32,001 --> 01:47:36,000 AND 3012 01:47:36,001 --> 01:47:38,000 SHOULDERS THE CRUSHING WEIGHT OF 3013 01:47:38,001 --> 01:47:40,000 HEALTH CARE COSTS IS 3014 01:47:40,001 --> 01:47:41,000 MOST EFFECTIVE STRATEG 3015 01:47:41,001 --> 01:47:43,000 ALLOWING THIS HEM TO START 3016 01:47:43,001 --> 01:47:54,000 GROWING JOBS AGAIN, MR. RYAN. 3017 01:47:54,001 --> 01:47:56,000 .6 C13 3018 01:47:56,001 --> 01:47:57,000 >> THIS IS AN ECONOMIC 3019 01:47:57,001 --> 01:47:59,000 DEVELOPMENT BILL. 3020 01:47:59,001 --> 01:48:02,000 THIS IS ABOUT ALLOWING THESE 3021 01:48:02,001 --> 01:48:03,000 BUSINESSES TO REINVEST BACK 3022 01:48:03,001 --> 01:48:06,000 INTO THEIR SMALL BUSINESSES. 3023 01:48:06,001 --> 01:48:08,000 IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT AS 3024 01:48:08,001 --> 01:48:12,000 HEALTH CARE HAS EATEN UP MORE 3025 01:48:12,001 --> 01:48:15,000 AND MORE OF THE BUSINESSES 3026 01:48:15,001 --> 01:48:16,000 BUDGET, THAT WAGES HAVE 3027 01:48:16,001 --> 01:48:20,000 STAGNANT OVER THE LAST DECADE 3028 01:48:20,001 --> 01:48:22,000 OR TWO. 3029 01:48:22,001 --> 01:48:25,000 HAD THE ABILITY TO BOTH EAT THE 3030 01:48:25,001 --> 01:48:27,000 INCREASES IN HEALTH CARE AND 3031 01:48:27,001 --> 01:48:30,000 GIVE THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF 3032 01:48:30,001 --> 01:48:31,000 PAY INCREASES TO THE WORKERS. 3033 01:48:31,001 --> 01:48:33,000 IT'S EITHER-OR. 3034 01:48:33,001 --> 01:48:34,000 SO OVER THE LAST DECADE IT'S 3035 01:48:34,001 --> 01:48:36,000 THE 3036 01:48:36,001 --> 01:48:37,000 TIME. 3037 01:48:37,001 --> 01:48:38,000 AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE PASSED 3038 01:48:38,001 --> 01:48:40,000 ON A SMALLER PORTION OF THAT ON 3039 01:48:40,001 --> 01:48:43,000 TO THEIR EMPLOYEES WHERE THEY 3040 01:48:43,001 --> 01:48:45,000 ARE ASKING FOR MORE OF A 3041 01:48:45,001 --> 01:48:47,000 CO-PAY, HIGHER PREMIUMS, AND 3042 01:48:47,001 --> 01:48:48,000 THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. 3043 01:48:48,001 --> 01:48:51,000 BUT NOW WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS 3044 01:48:51,001 --> 01:48:53,000 IF WE CAN GET THESE COSTS UNDER 3045 01:48:53,001 --> 01:48:55,000 CONTROL, THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES 3046 01:48:55,001 --> 01:48:57,000 CAN REINVEST BACK INTO THE 3047 01:48:57,001 --> 01:48:58,000 TECHNOLOGY, BACK IN THE NEW 3048 01:48:58,001 --> 01:49:00,000 MACHINES, BACK IN THE WAGES, 3049 01:49:00,001 --> 01:49:01,000 BACK IN THE TRAINING, BACK INTO 3050 01:49:01,001 --> 01:49:03,000 MORE BENEFITS AND OTHER KINDS 3051 01:49:03,001 --> 01:49:04,000 OF BENEFITS, MAYBE RETIREMENT 3052 01:49:04,001 --> 01:49:07,000 BENEFITS FOR THEIR WORKERS. 3053 01:49:07,001 --> 01:49:09,000 INSTEA BEING STUCK IN THIS 3054 01:49:09,001 --> 01:49:11,000 CYCLE OF HEALTH CARE, HEALTH 3055 01:49:11,001 --> 01:49:13,000 CARE, HEALTH CARE, AND NO 3056 01:49:13,001 --> 01:49:14,000 REINVESTMENT THE 3057 01:49:14,001 --> 01:49:17,000 BUSINESS. 3058 01:49:17,001 --> 01:49:18,000 MR. MURPHY: IN CONNECTICUT 3059 01:49:18,001 --> 01:49:19,000 ALONE, OUR LARGEST INSURER, 3060 01:49:19,001 --> 01:49:21,000 WHICH INSURANCE OVER HALF OF 3061 01:49:21,001 --> 01:49:22,000 THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE STATE, 3062 01:49:22,001 --> 01:49:24,000 ANNOUNCED EARLIER THIS YEAR 3063 01:49:24,001 --> 01:49:28,000 THEY WERE GOING TO BE PASSING 3064 01:49:28,001 --> 01:49:30,000 DOWN A 30% PREMIUM 3065 01:49:30,001 --> 01:49:31,000 SMALL BUSINESS, SMALL G 3066 01:49:31,001 --> 01:49:33,000 PLAND INDIVIDUALS. 3067 01:49:33,001 --> 01:49:35,000 30%. 3068 01:49:35,001 --> 01:49:37,000 IT'S BEYOND ME TO FIGURE OUT 3069 01:49:37,001 --> 01:49:38,000 HOW ON EARTH HEALTH CARE COSTS 3070 01:49:38,001 --> 01:49:40,000 CHANGED SO MUCH FROM LAST YEAR 3071 01:49:40,001 --> 01:49:42,000 TO THIS YEAR YOU CAN JUSTIFY 3072 01:49:42,001 --> 01:49:43,000 30% INCREASE. 3073 01:49:43,001 --> 01:49:44,000 FROM A SMALL BUSINESS 3074 01:49:44,001 --> 01:49:45,000 STANDPOINT THAT CAUSES 3075 01:49:45,001 --> 01:49:46,000 THOUSANDS OF SMALL BUSINESSES 3076 01:49:46,001 --> 01:49:48,000 TO WALK AWAY. 3077 01:49:48,001 --> 01:49:49,000 THAT TOO MUCH. 3078 01:49:49,001 --> 01:49:51,000 MY BUSINESS IN A RECESSION IS 3079 01:49:51,001 --> 01:49:53,000 DROPPING AND YOU ARE ASKING ME 3080 01:49:53,001 --> 01:49:55,000 TO PAY 30% FOR ONE OF MY 3081 01:49:55,001 --> 01:49:58,000 IT CAUSES INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE 3082 01:49:58,001 --> 01:49:59,000 JUST BEING ABLE TO COBBLE 3083 01:49:59,001 --> 01:50:02,000 TOGETHER THE MONEY THEY COULD 3084 01:50:02,001 --> 01:50:05,000 TO PAY FOR INSURANCE TO WALKWAY 3085 01:50:05,001 --> 01:50:06,000 AND SAY LISTEN, I HELD MY WAGES 3086 01:50:06,001 --> 01:50:07,000 FLAT, AND CAN'T PAY A 30% 3087 01:50:07,001 --> 01:50:09,000 INCREASE. 3088 01:50:09,001 --> 01:50:14,000 IT CAUSES OUR REPUBLICAN 3089 01:50:14,001 --> 01:50:15,000 FRIENDS TO CLOSE THEIR EYES AND 3090 01:50:15,001 --> 01:50:17,000 PRETEND THAT ALL OF THOSE 3091 01:50:17,001 --> 01:50:18,000 PEOPLE AND ALL THOSE EMPLOYEES 3092 01:50:18,001 --> 01:50:19,000 WHO LOSE THEIR HEALTH CARE 3093 01:50:19,001 --> 01:50:20,000 E 3094 01:50:20,001 --> 01:50:23,000 GOING TO SUDDENLY SPEND THE 3095 01:50:23,001 --> 01:50:24,000 REST OF THE YEAR REALLY, REALL 3096 01:50:24,001 --> 01:50:26,000 SUPERHEALTHY AND NEVER NEED TO GET HEALTH CARE. 3097 01:50:26,001 --> 01:50:27,000 THEY ARE GOING TO GET SICK. 3098 01:50:27,001 --> 01:50:28,000 THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO 3099 01:50:28,001 --> 01:50:29,000 GET SICK. 3100 01:50:29,001 --> 01:50:31,000 THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD TO 3101 01:50:31,001 --> 01:50:32,000 WALK AWAY FROM CARE BECAUSE THE 3102 01:50:32,001 --> 01:50:34,000 PREMIUM INCREASE WAS TOO HIGH 3103 01:50:34,001 --> 01:50:35,000 ARE GOING TO GET SICK. 3104 01:50:35,001 --> 01:50:37,000 THEY ARE GOING TO END UP IN OUR 3105 01:50:37,001 --> 01:50:38,000 EMERGENCY ROOMS, THEN WE'LL ALL 3106 01:50:38,001 --> 01:50:40,000 PAY FOR IT. 3107 01:50:40,001 --> 01:50:41,000 WE'LL PAY FOR IT IN HIGHER 3108 01:50:41,001 --> 01:50:42,000 TAXES TO SUBSIDIZE EMERGENCY 3109 01:50:42,001 --> 01:50:44,000 ROOM CARE. 3110 01:50:44,001 --> 01:50:45,000 WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT IN 3111 01:50:45,001 --> 01:50:46,000 HIGHER PRIVATE PREMIUMS TO MAKE 3112 01:50:46,001 --> 01:50:48,000 UP FOR THE UNINSURED THAT WALK 3113 01:50:48,001 --> 01:50:51,000 IN THE DOORS OF THOSE HOSPITALS. 3114 01:50:51,001 --> 01:50:53,000 AND WE ARE GOING TO END UP 3115 01:50:53,001 --> 01:50:54,000 PERPETUATI CURRENT SYSTEM 3116 01:50:54,001 --> 01:50:56,000 OF SICK CARE WHERE WE FORCE 3117 01:50:56,001 --> 01:50:58,000 PEOPLE TO GO WITHOUT INSURANCE, 3118 01:50:58,001 --> 01:50:59,000 WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE SO SICK 3119 01:50:59,001 --> 01:51:03,000 THAT THEY SHOW UP AT THE 3120 01:51:03,001 --> 01:51:05,000 EMERGENCY OM FOR THE MOST 3121 01:51:05,001 --> 01:51:07,000 E OF CARE, CRISIS 3122 01:51:07,001 --> 01:51:08,000 CARE, WHICH COSTS US ALL A LOT 3123 01:51:08,001 --> 01:51:12,000 MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN, MR. 3124 01:51:12,001 --> 01:51:14,000 RYAN. : IT'S ALL BEEN FEAR 3125 01:51:14,001 --> 01:51:18,000 BASED. 3126 01:51:18,001 --> 01:51:21,000 ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE 3127 01:51:21,001 --> 01:51:25,000 R SIDE SAID, THE TEA 3128 01:51:25,001 --> 01:51:26,000 BAGGS ARE BEYOND -- THEY ARE 3129 01:51:26,001 --> 01:51:28,000 BEYOND SCARED. 3130 01:51:28,001 --> 01:51:31,000 THEY ARE TERRIFIED NOW. 3131 01:51:31,001 --> 01:51:35,000 THEY ARE TERRIFIED. BECAUSE OF THE BUDGET. 3132 01:51:35,001 --> 01:51:36,000 WHERE WERE THESE PEOPLE WHEN 3133 01:51:36,001 --> 01:51:38,000 PRESIDENT BUSH AND THE 3134 01:51:38,001 --> 01:51:40,000 REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND HOUSE 3135 01:51:40,001 --> 01:51:43,000 AND SENATE WERE CUTTING TAXES 3136 01:51:43,001 --> 01:51:46,000 FOR MILLIONAIRES AND STARTING 3137 01:51:46,001 --> 01:51:49,000 TWO WARS AND SPENDING MONEY 3138 01:51:49,001 --> 01:51:53,000 LEFT AND RIGHT, AND RUNNING UP 3139 01:51:53,001 --> 01:51:54,000 THE DEF 3140 01:51:54,001 --> 01:51:56,000 TERRIFIED BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING 3141 01:51:56,001 --> 01:51:59,000 WE WANT TO HELP SMALL 3142 01:51:59,001 --> 01:52:00,000 BUSINESSES, WE WANT TO HELP 3143 01:52:00,001 --> 01:52:02,000 CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES 3144 01:52:02,001 --> 01:52:05,000 BE ABLE TO AFFORD HEALTH CARE 3145 01:52:05,001 --> 01:52:06,000 AND WE ARE TAKING ON THE 3146 01:52:06,001 --> 01:52:09,000 INSURANCE INDUSTRY. 3147 01:52:09,001 --> 01:52:11,000 , MR. SPEAKER, WHAT IS SO 3148 01:52:11,001 --> 01:52:12,000 DIFFICULT ABOUT THIS TO 3149 01:52:12,001 --> 01:52:13,000 UNDERSTAND? 3150 01:52:13,001 --> 01:52:14,000 THEY HAVE BEEN RULING THE ROOST 3151 01:52:14,001 --> 01:52:17,000 IN THE COUNTRY FOR HOW LONG, 3152 01:52:17,001 --> 01:52:18,000 AND WE ARE STEPPING IN AFTER AN 3153 01:52:18,001 --> 01:52:20,000 ELECTION IN 2006 WITH THE 3154 01:52:20,001 --> 01:52:21,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE FED UP, AN 3155 01:52:21,001 --> 01:52:23,000 ELECTION IN 2008 WHERE 3156 01:52:23,001 --> 01:52:26,000 PRESIDENT OBAMA WON. 3157 01:52:26,001 --> 01:52:28,000 AND BASICALLY HUGE ELECTION, 3158 01:52:28,001 --> 01:52:30,000 AND HE TALKED AS A CENTERPIECE 3159 01:52:30,001 --> 01:52:31,000 OF HIS CAMPAIGN ABOUT HEALTH 3160 01:52:31,001 --> 01:52:34,000 CARE REFORM. AND HE 3161 01:52:34,001 --> 01:52:39,000 THE THING ABOUT IT-DIRNL' SURE 3162 01:52:39,001 --> 01:52:42,000 OUR DISTRICTS AREN'T THAT MUCH 3163 01:52:42,001 --> 01:52:43,000 DIFFERENT. 3164 01:52:43,001 --> 01:52:45,000 MANUFACTURING, A LOT OF 3165 01:52:45,001 --> 01:52:47,000 IMMIGRANTS CAME OVER THE LAST 3166 01:52:47,001 --> 01:52:49,000 100, 150 YEARS TO OUR STATES, 3167 01:52:49,001 --> 01:52:54,000 AND A LOT OF MIDDLE CLASS 3168 01:52:54,001 --> 01:52:57,000 PEOPLE, AND OUR PEOPLE DON'T 3169 01:52:57,001 --> 01:52:58,000 GET ON A BULLHORN AND SCREAM 3170 01:52:58,001 --> 01:52:59,000 ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS THAT THEY 3171 01:52:59,001 --> 01:53:02,000 HAVE IN THEIR FAMILY. 3172 01:53:02,001 --> 01:53:03,000 THEY HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE. 3173 01:53:03,001 --> 01:53:05,000 BUT THEY JUST WANT TO MUSCLE 3174 01:53:05,001 --> 01:53:07,000 THROUGH IT, BUT THEY WANT AN 3175 01:53:07,001 --> 01:53:08,000 ELEMENT OF FAIRNESS IN THE 3176 01:53:08,001 --> 01:53:10,000 SYSTEM. SO THEY'LL, AS I SAID, I DON'T 3177 01:53:10,001 --> 01:53:11,000 KNOW IF YOU WERE HEROR NOT, 3178 01:53:11,001 --> 01:53:13,000 THEY'LL GRAB ME AT THE 3179 01:53:13,001 --> 01:53:15,000 RESTAURANT AND THANK ME FOR MY 3180 01:53:15,001 --> 01:53:16,000 VOTE OR I HOPE IT PASSES, PULLS 3181 01:53:16,001 --> 01:53:18,000 THROUGH, BUT THEY ARE NOT GOIN 3182 01:53:18,001 --> 01:53:20,000 TO GET ON RUSH LIMBAUGH AND 3183 01:53:20,001 --> 01:53:22,000 CALL IN AND TALK ABOUT HOW 3184 01:53:22,001 --> 01:53:23,000 THEIR DAUGHTER IS SICK AND THE 3185 01:53:23,001 --> 01:53:24,000 PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAD AND GO 3186 01:53:24,001 --> 01:53:28,000 ON AND ON. 3187 01:53:28,001 --> 01:53:29,000 BUT WHEN I STOOD AT THE CAN 3188 01:53:29,001 --> 01:53:31,000 FOOLED FAIG 3189 01:53:31,001 --> 01:53:32,000 INTO A RESTAURANT, GETTING MY 3190 01:53:32,001 --> 01:53:34,000 HAIRCUT, WHATEVER THE SITUATION 3191 01:53:34,001 --> 01:53:37,000 WAS, THEY WOULD GRAB ME AND 3192 01:53:37,001 --> 01:53:38,000 QUIETLY SAY, THANK YOU. 3193 01:53:38,001 --> 01:53:41,000 GOD, IS THIS GOING TO PASS? 3194 01:53:41,001 --> 01:53:42,000 IS THIS REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN? 3195 01:53:42,001 --> 01:53:43,000 THAT'S WHAT AVERAGE PEOPLE ARE 3196 01:53:43,001 --> 01:53:46,000 SAYING HERE TODAY. 3197 01:53:46,001 --> 01:53:48,000 AND THESE SITUATIONS THAT GO ON 3198 01:53:48,001 --> 01:53:51,000 ALL ACROSS OUR COUNTRY AND TO 3199 01:53:51,001 --> 01:53:52,000 TURN A BLIND EYE TO IT, AS THE 3200 01:53:52,001 --> 01:53:54,000 REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL DOESN'T 3201 01:53:54,001 --> 01:53:55,000 COVER EVERYBODY. 3202 01:53:55,001 --> 01:53:56,000 IT WAS LIKE HERE'S OUR PROPOSAL. 3203 01:53:56,001 --> 01:53:58,000 GREAT. 3204 01:53:58,001 --> 01:53:59,000 YOU COVER ANOTHER MILLION PEOPLE. 3205 01:53:59,001 --> 01:54:01,000 BOY, THAT'S GOING TO BRING DOWN 3206 01:54:01,001 --> 01:54:04,000 THE PRESSURE ON THE EMERGENCY 3207 01:54:04,001 --> 01:54:07,000 ROOMS. THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE. 3208 01:54:07,001 --> 01:54:09,000 I TALKED ABOUT THE REFORMS, BUT 3209 01:54:09,001 --> 01:54:12,000 IF YOU MAKE $89,000 A YEAR OR 3210 01:54:12,001 --> 01:54:13,000 LESS, YOU ARE GOING TO GET 3211 01:54:13,001 --> 01:54:17,000 CREDITS, SUBSIDIES TO GO HELP 3212 01:54:17,001 --> 01:54:19,000 YOU PAY FOR YOUR INSURANCE. 3213 01:54:19,001 --> 01:54:21,000 SO THAT FAMILY WILL HAVE MORE 3214 01:54:21,001 --> 01:54:22,000 MONEY TO SPEND IN OTHER PARTS 3215 01:54:22,001 --> 01:54:24,000 OF THE ECONOMY INSTEAD OF 3216 01:54:24,001 --> 01:54:25,000 HEALTH CARE EATING A HUGE CHUNK 3217 01:54:25,001 --> 01:54:27,000 OF THE ECONOMY UP, THEY'LL HAVE 3218 01:54:27,001 --> 01:54:29,000 MONEY TO PAY FOR THEIR KIDS' 3219 01:54:29,001 --> 01:54:30,000 COLLEGE EDUCATION, TO MAKE 3220 01:54:30,001 --> 01:54:32,000 INVESTMENTS TO BUY A NEW CAR, 3221 01:54:32,001 --> 01:54:33,000 TOE AUTO INDUSTRY 3222 01:54:33,001 --> 01:54:35,000 GOING, BUY A NEW REFRIGERATOR, 3223 01:54:35,001 --> 01:54:37,000 BUY A NEW HOUSE. 3224 01:54:37,001 --> 01:54:39,000 LITERALLY YOU THINK ABOUT THE 3225 01:54:39,001 --> 01:54:40,000 -- JUST $1,800 INCREASE NEXT 3226 01:54:40,001 --> 01:54:42,000 YEAR IN HEALTH CARE BILLS F. WE 3227 01:54:42,001 --> 01:54:43,000 GET HEALTH CARE COSTS UNDER 3228 01:54:43,001 --> 01:54:44,000 CONTROL, IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF 3229 01:54:44,001 --> 01:54:47,000 MONEY THESE FAMILIES AND SMALL 3230 01:54:47,001 --> 01:54:50,000 BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO 3231 01:54:50,001 --> 01:54:51,000 SPEND IN BUYING D 3232 01:54:51,001 --> 01:54:54,000 INDUSTRIAL GOODS. 3233 01:54:54,001 --> 01:54:55,000 MR. MURPHY: THIS IS NOT MY . 3234 01:54:55,001 --> 01:54:56,000 OTHERS HAVE SAID THIS. 3235 01:54:56,001 --> 01:54:58,000 THIS IS A CONSUMER TAKEOVER OF 3236 01:54:58,001 --> 01:54:59,000 THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. 3237 01:54:59,001 --> 01:55:02,000 THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. 3238 01:55:02,001 --> 01:55:04,000 THIS IS PUTTING CONSUMERS AND 3239 01:55:04,001 --> 01:55:06,000 PATIENTS AND RULAR, AVERAGE 3240 01:55:06,001 --> 01:55:08,000 ORDINARY AMERICANS BACK IN CHARGE. 3241 01:55:08,001 --> 01:55:12,000 AND PEOPLE WERE ANGRY ABOUT A 3242 01:55:12,001 --> 01:55:13,000 LOT OF THINGS WHEN PRESIDENT 3243 01:55:13,001 --> 01:55:14,000 BUSH WAS IN CHARGE AND THE 3244 01:55:14,001 --> 01:55:15,000 REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED THE 3245 01:55:15,001 --> 01:55:16,000 HOUSE AND SENATE. 3246 01:55:16,001 --> 01:55:19,000 THEY WERE ANGRY THAT IT SEEMED 3247 01:55:19,001 --> 01:55:20,000 LIKE THE OIL COMPANIES WERE 3248 01:55:20,001 --> 01:55:21,000 RUNNING OUR ENERGY POLICY. 3249 01:55:21,001 --> 01:55:23,000 THEY WERE ANGRY THAT THE BANKS 3250 01:55:23,001 --> 01:55:24,000 SEEMED TO GET WHATEVER THEY 3251 01:55:24,001 --> 01:55:25,000 WANTED WHEN IT CAME TO 3252 01:55:25,001 --> 01:55:26,000 FINANCIAL POLCY. 3253 01:55:26,001 --> 01:55:27,000 AND THEY WERE ANGRY THAT THE 3254 01:55:27,001 --> 01:55:28,000 INSURANCE COMPANIES AND DRUG 3255 01:55:28,001 --> 01:55:29,000 COMPANIES SEEMED TO GET 3256 01:55:29,001 --> 01:55:30,000 EVERYTHING THEY WANTED WHEN IT 3257 01:55:30,001 --> 01:55:32,000 CAME TO HEALTH CARE POLCY. 3258 01:55:32,001 --> 01:55:35,000 THEY HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD 3259 01:55:35,001 --> 01:55:37,000 EXAMPLES. 3260 01:55:37,001 --> 01:55:40,000 I'LL ADD TO YOUR LIST OF ALL OF 3261 01:55:40,001 --> 01:55:41,000 THE DEFICIT INCREASERS OVER THE 3262 01:55:41,001 --> 01:55:43,000 COURSE OF THE REPUBLICAN 3263 01:55:43,001 --> 01:55:46,000 THIS CONGRESS, 3264 01:55:46,001 --> 01:55:48,000 MEDICARE PART D, THE ONE TIME 3265 01:55:48,001 --> 01:55:51,000 THAT THIS 3266 01:55:51,001 --> 01:55:54,000 DECIDED TO LEGISLATE ON HEALTH 3267 01:55:54,001 --> 01:55:56,000 CARE, THEY DID IT IN A WAY THAT 3268 01:55:56,001 --> 01:55:58,000 GUARANTEED ENORMOUS PROFITS FOR 3269 01:55:58,001 --> 01:56:00,000 THE INSURANCE AND DRUG 3270 01:56:00,001 --> 01:56:03,000 INDURY, IN PARTICULAR, BY 3271 01:56:03,001 --> 01:56:05,000 MEDICARE PART D LAW THAT 3272 01:56:05,001 --> 01:56:06,000 SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED THE 3273 01:56:06,001 --> 01:56:07,000 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FROM 3274 01:56:07,001 --> 01:56:09,000 NEGOTIATING DEEP DISCOUNTS ON 3275 01:56:09,001 --> 01:56:10,000 BEHALF OF ALL MEDICARE 3276 01:56:10,001 --> 01:56:11,000 BENEFICIARIES AGAINST THE DRUG 3277 01:56:11,001 --> 01:56:13,000 COMPANIES. 3278 01:56:13,001 --> 01:56:16,000 AND THEY PAIDER FOR IT ALL BY BORROWING. 3279 01:56:16,001 --> 01:56:17,000 SO TS SUDDEN CONVERSION TO 3280 01:56:17,001 --> 01:56:19,000 FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY BY THE 3281 01:56:19,001 --> 01:56:21,000 REPUBLICANS IS PRETTY 3282 01:56:21,001 --> 01:56:22,000 TRANSPARENT TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE 3283 01:56:22,001 --> 01:56:24,000 BEEN CARING ABOUT HEALTH CARE 3284 01:56:24,001 --> 01:56:27,000 FOR LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER 3285 01:56:27,001 --> 01:56:29,000 WHEN REPUBLICANS CAME HERE 3286 01:56:29,001 --> 01:56:30,000 PROPOSED AND PASSED A MEDICARE 3287 01:56:30,001 --> 01:56:33,000 DRUG BENEFIT THAT WAS WRITTEN 3288 01:56:33,001 --> 01:56:34,000 BY THE DRUG AND INSURANCE 3289 01:56:34,001 --> 01:56:38,000 BORROWING. 3290 01:56:38,001 --> 01:56:41,000 . 3291 01:56:41,001 --> 01:56:44,000 ALL OF THOSE TEA BAGGERS AND 3292 01:56:44,001 --> 01:56:46,000 ALL OF THOSE NONTEAT PARTIERS 3293 01:56:46,001 --> 01:56:48,000 WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 3294 01:56:48,001 --> 01:56:51,000 DEFICITS, THIS HEALTH CARE BILL 3295 01:56:51,001 --> 01:56:54,000 ISN'T JUST DEFICIT NEUTRAL, IT 3296 01:56:54,001 --> 01:56:55,000 BRINGS DOWN THE DEFICIT BY $30 3297 01:56:55,001 --> 01:56:56,000 YEARS. 3298 01:56:56,001 --> 01:56:58,000 YOU CAN ARGU POLICY, 3299 01:56:58,001 --> 01:57:01,000 BUT YOU CAN'T ARGUE C.B.O. SCORE. 3300 01:57:01,001 --> 01:57:02,000 THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET 3301 01:57:02,001 --> 01:57:04,000 SAYS THAT THIS BILL OVER THE 3302 01:57:04,001 --> 01:57:05,000 COURSE OF 10 YEARS WILL BRING 3303 01:57:05,001 --> 01:57:07,000 DOWN THE DEFICIT AND ACTUALLY 3304 01:57:07,001 --> 01:57:08,000 TELLS US 3305 01:57:08,001 --> 01:57:10,000 YEARS WILL BRING DOWN THE 3306 01:57:10,001 --> 01:57:13,000 DEFICIT BY EVEN MORE STANDING 3307 01:57:13,001 --> 01:57:15,000 IN CONTRAST TO THE SOLE EFFORT AT HEALTH CARE 3308 01:57:15,001 --> 01:57:16,000 REFORM WHEN THEY CONTROLLED 3309 01:57:16,001 --> 01:57:20,000 THIS PLACE WHICH HANDED MORE 3310 01:57:20,001 --> 01:57:21,000 POWER TO THE INDUSTRY THAT WERE 3311 01:57:21,001 --> 01:57:23,000 RUN TO BEGIN WITH AND DID IT 3312 01:57:23,001 --> 01:57:25,000 ALL BY BORROWING. 3313 01:57:25,001 --> 01:57:28,000 SO, MR. RYAN, IT'S THE WAR, 3314 01:57:28,001 --> 01:57:31,000 IT'S THE TAX CUTS BUT IT'S 3315 01:57:31,001 --> 01:57:32,000 THE REPUBLICANS' POLICY ON HEALTH CARE. 3316 01:57:32,001 --> 01:57:33,000 AND SO -- AND I DON'T HAVE A 3317 01:57:33,001 --> 01:57:34,000 LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR OUR 3318 01:57:34,001 --> 01:57:37,000 REPUBLICAN FRIENDS WHO COME 3319 01:57:37,001 --> 01:57:38,000 DOWN HERE AND TALK TO US ABOUT 3320 01:57:38,001 --> 01:57:39,000 THE HEALTH CARE IMPLICATIONS 3321 01:57:39,001 --> 01:57:43,000 FOR THE DEFICIT. 3322 01:57:43,001 --> 01:57:45,000 OUR BILL LOWERS THE DEFICIT. 3323 01:57:45,001 --> 01:57:47,000 THEIR ONE 3324 01:57:47,001 --> 01:57:48,000 CARE MASSIVELY INCREASED THE 3325 01:57:48,001 --> 01:57:50,000 DEFICIT. 3326 01:57:50,001 --> 01:57:52,000 MR. RYAN: IT'S NOT JUST CHRIS 3327 01:57:52,001 --> 01:57:54,000 MURPHY FROM CONNECTICUT OR ME 3328 01:57:54,001 --> 01:57:56,000 OR NANCY PELOSI. 3329 01:57:56,001 --> 01:57:57,000 HERE'S FROM THE BUSINESS 3330 01:57:57,001 --> 01:57:59,000 ROUNDTABLE, C.E.O.'S OF TH 3331 01:57:59,001 --> 01:58:01,000 NATION'S LARGEST BUSINESSES 3332 01:58:01,001 --> 01:58:02,000 RELEASED A REPORT ON THE IMPACT 3333 01:58:02,001 --> 01:58:05,000 OF HEALTH RE LEGISLATION 3334 01:58:05,001 --> 01:58:07,000 MOVING THROUGH CONGRESS IN 3335 01:58:07,001 --> 01:58:08,000 THAT, QUOTE, KEY COMPONENTS OF 3336 01:58:08,001 --> 01:58:10,000 HEALTH CARE REFORM COULD SLOW 3337 01:58:10,001 --> 01:58:12,000 THE GROWTH OF HEALTH CARE COSTS 3338 01:58:12,001 --> 01:58:15,000 AND OFFER REAL SAVINGS FOR 3339 01:58:15,001 --> 01:58:17,000 COMPANIES AND THEIR EMPLOYEES. 3340 01:58:17,001 --> 01:58:20,000 ACCORDING TO THE BUSINESS 3341 01:58:20,001 --> 01:58:22,000 ROUNDTABLE-HEWITT STUDY, MANY 3342 01:58:22,001 --> 01:58:23,000 OF THE 3343 01:58:23,001 --> 01:58:25,000 CURRENTLY IN THE HEALTH REFORM 3344 01:58:25,001 --> 01:58:29,000 BILLS COULD REDUCE COSTS BY AS 3345 01:58:29,001 --> 01:58:31,000 MUCH AS $3,000 3346 01:58:31,001 --> 01:58:33,000 2019. 3347 01:58:33,001 --> 01:58:36,000 THIS IS THE BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE. 3348 01:58:36,001 --> 01:58:38,000 THIS IS NOT THE DEMOCRATS. 3349 01:58:38,001 --> 01:58:43,000 THIS IS THE C.E.O.'S OF THE 3350 01:58:43,001 --> 01:58:45,000 NATION'S LARGEST BUSINESSES. YOU SAID, C.B.O., BUSINESS 3351 01:58:45,001 --> 01:58:46,000 ROUNDTABLE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE 3352 01:58:46,001 --> 01:58:47,000 TRYING TO FIX. 3353 01:58:47,001 --> 01:58:49,000 AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE C.E.O.'S 3354 01:58:49,001 --> 01:58:51,000 OF THE NATION'S LARGEST 3355 01:58:51,001 --> 01:58:53,000 BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, SAYING 3356 01:58:53,001 --> 01:58:55,000 THAT THIS IS -- THIS REFORM 3357 01:58:55,001 --> 01:58:57,000 WILL SAVE US $3,000 PER 3358 01:58:57,001 --> 01:58:59,000 EMPLOYEE BY 2019, AND YOU HAVE 3359 01:58:59,001 --> 01:59:01,000 HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND 3360 01:59:01,001 --> 01:59:03,000 HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF 3361 01:59:03,001 --> 01:59:05,000 EMPLOYEES, THAT MONEY IS GOING 3362 01:59:05,001 --> 01:59:07,000 TO GO TO WAGES 3363 01:59:07,001 --> 01:59:08,000 TECHNOLOGY, ON AND ON AND ON 3364 01:59:08,001 --> 01:59:09,000 ANDN, THESE INVESTMENTS WILL 3365 01:59:09,001 --> 01:59:12,000 BE MADE. 3366 01:59:12,001 --> 01:59:15,000 NOT SIT AROUND AND DO 3367 01:59:15,001 --> 01:59:17,000 YOU KNOW, REPUBLICANS JUST CAME 3368 01:59:17,001 --> 01:59:18,000 IN THE LAST WEEK FINALLY GET 3369 01:59:18,001 --> 01:59:20,000 OUT A PROPOSAL. 3370 01:59:20,001 --> 01:59:23,000 IT TOOK -- WE'VE BEEN DEBATING 3371 01:59:23,001 --> 01:59:25,000 ABOUT HEALTH CARE ALL THIS TIME 3372 01:59:25,001 --> 01:59:26,000 AND THEY WERE IN CONTROL OF 3373 01:59:26,001 --> 01:59:29,000 EVERY MAJOR BRANCH OF 3374 01:59:29,001 --> 01:59:30,000 GOVERNMENT FROM 2000 TO 2006, 3375 01:59:30,001 --> 01:59:33,000 DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT HEALTH CARE. 3376 01:59:33,001 --> 01:59:36,000 NOW, WE'RE COMING TO TRY TO FIX 3377 01:59:36,001 --> 01:59:38,000 IT, BUT IF YOU WAN TO ACTUALLY 3378 01:59:38,001 --> 01:59:42,000 TALK ABOUT, MR. SPEAKER, WHAT 3379 01:59:42,001 --> 01:59:44,000 WE HAVE -- WHAT WE HAVE DONE -- >> WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? 3380 01:59:44,001 --> 01:59:46,000 MR. RYAN: BE HAPPY TO YIELD. 3381 01:59:46,001 --> 01:59:48,000 >> I JUST RECALL THAT WE WERE 3382 01:59:48,001 --> 01:59:50,000 -- WE WERE TOGETHER WHEN WE 3383 01:59:50,001 --> 01:59:51,000 PASSED THE LITIGATION LAWSUIT 3384 01:59:51,001 --> 01:59:52,000 ABUSE REFORM OUT OF THE HOUSE 3385 01:59:52,001 --> 01:59:53,000 AND IT GOT STARTED UP IN THE 3386 01:59:53,001 --> 01:59:54,000 SENATE. 3387 01:59:54,001 --> 01:59:57,000 THAT WOULD BE ONE THINGI POINT 3388 01:59:57,001 --> 01:59:58,000 OUT TH I THINK IT'S 3389 01:59:58,001 --> 02:00:00,000 IMPORTANT. 3390 02:00:00,001 --> 02:00:02,000 MR. RYAN: RECLAIMING MY TIME. 3391 02:00:02,001 --> 02:00:06,000 LITIGATION HAS BEEN PROJECTED 3392 02:00:06,001 --> 02:00:07,000 TO HAVE ONLY 1 EFFECT ON THE 3393 02:00:07,001 --> 02:00:09,000 COST OF OVERALL HEALTH CARE 3394 02:00:09,001 --> 02:00:10,000 SPENDING. 3395 02:00:10,001 --> 02:00:12,000 MR. KING: WILL THE GENTLEMAN 3396 02:00:12,001 --> 02:00:13,000 YIELD? 3397 02:00:13,001 --> 02:00:15,000 $54 BILLION. 3398 02:00:15,001 --> 02:00:16,000 MR. RYAN: OVER 10 YEARS? 3399 02:00:16,001 --> 02:00:18,000 MR. KING: 3400 02:00:18,001 --> 02:00:21,000 MR. RYAN: 1% OF COSTS. 3401 02:00:21,001 --> 02:00:22,000 AND THERE'S NO REAL WAY TO 3402 02:00:22,001 --> 02:00:24,000 QUANTIFY -- RECLAIMING MY TIME 3403 02:00:24,001 --> 02:00:25,000 -- NO REAL WAY TO QUANTIFY THIS 3404 02:00:25,001 --> 02:00:27,000 NUMBER. 3405 02:00:27,001 --> 02:00:29,000 BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 3406 02:00:29,001 --> 02:00:32,000 BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND 3407 02:00:32,001 --> 02:00:34,000 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND, AGAIN, 3408 02:00:34,001 --> 02:00:36,000 THAT'S TO MY PNT THAT THE 3409 02:00:36,001 --> 02:00:38,000 REPUBLICAN PLAN IS TO JUST 3410 02:00:38,001 --> 02:00:41,000 OF NIBBLE AROUND THE EDGES AND 3411 02:00:41,001 --> 02:00:42,000 MAYBE WE'LL TRY TO DO THIS A 3412 02:00:42,001 --> 02:00:44,000 LITTLE BIT HERE AND A LITTLE 3413 02:00:44,001 --> 02:00:45,000 BIT THERE BUT AT THE END OF THE 3414 02:00:45,001 --> 02:00:50,000 DAY HERE'S THE REALITY. 3415 02:00:50,001 --> 02:00:52,000 SINCE WE HAVE GOTTEN IN OFFICE 3416 02:00:52,001 --> 02:00:55,000 AND WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA BUT 3417 02:00:55,001 --> 02:00:57,000 BEFORE THAT, WE TOOK ON THE 3418 02:00:57,001 --> 02:00:58,000 BANKS AND YANKED THEM OUT OF 3419 02:00:58,001 --> 02:01:00,000 THE STUDENT LOAN BUSINESS 3420 02:01:00,001 --> 02:01:03,000 BECAUSE THEY HAD A SWEETHEART DEAL. 3421 02:01:03,001 --> 02:01:05,000 AS YOU SAID, WITH MEDICARE PART 3422 02:01:05,001 --> 02:01:07,000 D, WHERE ALL OF THIS MONEY IS 3423 02:01:07,001 --> 02:01:08,000 GOING TO THE PHARMACEUTICAL 3424 02:01:08,001 --> 02:01:11,000 COMPANIES, WE ARE REFORMING 3425 02:01:11,001 --> 02:01:13,000 THAT PROVISION AS WELL. 3426 02:01:13,001 --> 02:01:14,000 NOW, WE'RE TAKING ON THE 3427 02:01:14,001 --> 02:01:15,000 INSURANCE COMPANIES. 3428 02:01:15,001 --> 02:01:17,000 WITH THE ENERGY BILL, 3429 02:01:17,001 --> 02:01:19,000 ON THE OIL COMPANIES WHERE THEY 3430 02:01:19,001 --> 02:01:22,000 ARE GETTING SUBSIDIES AND JUST 3431 02:01:22,001 --> 02:01:26,000 A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE SPENT 3432 02:01:26,001 --> 02:01:27,000 $115 BILLION OR $120 BILLION IN 3433 02:01:27,001 --> 02:01:29,000 ESCORTING EXXONMOBIL SHIPS IN 3434 02:01:29,001 --> 02:01:31,000 AND OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST SO 3435 02:01:31,001 --> 02:01:34,000 THAT THEY WOULD BE SAFE TO 3436 02:01:34,001 --> 02:01:35,000 FURTHER SUPPLEMENT AND, YOU 3437 02:01:35,001 --> 02:01:36,000 KNOW, SUBSIDIZE THE OIL 3438 02:01:36,001 --> 02:01:39,000 INDUSTRY. 3439 02:01:39,001 --> 02:01:40,000 TOOK ON THE OIL 3440 02:01:40,001 --> 02:01:41,000 INCREASED MINIMUM WAGE, 3441 02:01:41,001 --> 02:01:43,000 INCREASED PELL GRANTS, WE MADE 3442 02:01:43,001 --> 02:01:46,000 STEPS TO MAKE INVESTMENTS. 3443 02:01:46,001 --> 02:01:48,000 BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS 3444 02:01:48,001 --> 02:01:50,000 HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL IS 3445 02:01:50,001 --> 02:01:52,000 ABOUT ECONIC DEVELOPMENT IN 3446 02:01:52,001 --> 02:01:54,000 THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. MR. MURPHY: AND PEOPLE HAVE 3447 02:01:54,001 --> 02:01:56,000 BEEN CRYING OUT FOR, MR. RYAN, 3448 02:01:56,001 --> 02:01:58,000 AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY YOU 3449 02:01:58,001 --> 02:01:59,000 AND I BOTH HAVE FAMILIES COMING 3450 02:01:59,001 --> 02:02:01,000 UP TO US. 3451 02:02:01,001 --> 02:02:03,000 AND AS YOU SAID, 3452 02:02:03,001 --> 02:02:04,000 QUIETLY EXPRESSING TO US THEIR 3453 02:02:04,001 --> 02:02:05,000 STORIES. 3454 02:02:05,001 --> 02:02:07,000 YOU KNOW, FOLKS IN MY DIST 3455 02:02:07,001 --> 02:02:08,000 ARE THE SAME WAY BUT YOU FIND 3456 02:02:08,001 --> 02:02:09,000 THEM, YOU HEAR FROM THEM. 3457 02:02:09,001 --> 02:02:12,000 I REMEMBER KNOCKING ON 3458 02:02:12,001 --> 02:02:13,000 SOMEBODY'S DOOR THIS SUMMER AS 3459 02:02:13,001 --> 02:02:15,000 I WAS GOING AROUND A COUPLE 3460 02:02:15,001 --> 02:02:18,000 NEIGHBORHOODS TO CHECK IN 3461 02:02:18,001 --> 02:02:20,000 HEARING A GUY TALK ABOUT HIS ILLNESS. 3462 02:02:20,001 --> 02:02:22,000 HE'D ACTLLY, I THINK, BEEN 3463 02:02:22,001 --> 02:02:23,000 INJURED AND HIS WORKER'S COMP 3464 02:02:23,001 --> 02:02:25,000 DID NOT PAY FOR THE ENTIRETY OF 3465 02:02:25,001 --> 02:02:27,000 THE CARE THAT HE NEEDED. 3466 02:02:27,001 --> 02:02:28,000 AND SO HE HAD TO GO TO HIS 3467 02:02:28,001 --> 02:02:30,000 PRIMARY INSURER. 3468 02:02:30,001 --> 02:02:32,000 HE HAD TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT 3469 02:02:32,001 --> 02:02:34,000 OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET AND IT 3470 02:02:34,001 --> 02:02:35,000 GOT SO BAD AND HIS EXPENSES GOT 3471 02:02:35,001 --> 02:02:37,000 SO HIGH THAT THE ONLY PLACE 3472 02:02:37,001 --> 02:02:40,000 THAT HE COULD GO WITHOUT LOSING 3473 02:02:40,001 --> 02:02:42,000 HIS HOUSE WAS ONE MAIN 3474 02:02:42,001 --> 02:02:44,000 ACCOUNT HE DID OWN AND THAT WAS 3475 02:02:44,001 --> 02:02:47,000 HIS CHILD'S COLLEGE FUND. 3476 02:02:47,001 --> 02:02:49,000 AND SO HE PLANNED AT FIRST 3477 02:02:49,001 --> 02:02:51,000 TAKE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF HIS 3478 02:02:51,001 --> 02:02:52,000 CHILD'S COLLEGE FUND. 3479 02:02:52,001 --> 02:02:54,000 FIGURE THE ECONOMY MIGHT TURN 3480 02:02:54,001 --> 02:02:56,000 AND HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB. 3481 02:02:56,001 --> 02:02:57,000 AND THEN HE HAD TO GO BACK 3482 02:02:57,001 --> 02:02:58,000 AGAIN. 3483 02:02:58,001 --> 02:03:00,000 AND HE HAD TO GO BACK A 3484 02:03:00,001 --> 02:03:02,000 BY THE TIME I SAW HIM THAT 3485 02:03:02,001 --> 02:03:03,000 SUMMER THAT COLLEGE FUND WAS GONE. 3486 02:03:03,001 --> 02:03:05,000 HE HAD NO MONEY SAVED FOR COLLEGE. 3487 02:03:05,001 --> 02:03:07,000 AND THE ONLY WAY THAT HIS SON 3488 02:03:07,001 --> 02:03:12,000 WHO BY THIS TIME WAS IN HIS 3489 02:03:12,001 --> 02:03:14,000 TEENAGE YEARS AND THE ONLY WAY 3490 02:03:14,001 --> 02:03:15,000 TO GO TO COLLEGE WAS IF HE GOT 3491 02:03:15,001 --> 02:03:18,000 A FULL RIDE SOMEWHERE. 3492 02:03:18,001 --> 02:03:21,000 AND HIS SON'S DREAMS HAVE 3493 02:03:21,001 --> 02:03:22,000 EVAPATED BECAUSE OF HEALTH 3494 02:03:22,001 --> 02:03:23,000 3495 02:03:23,001 --> 02:03:24,000 ILLNESSES. 3496 02:03:24,001 --> 02:03:25,000 NOW, THIS PARTICULAR FAMILY HAD 3497 02:03:25,001 --> 02:03:27,000 THAT MONEY SAVED AWAY FOR 3498 02:03:27,001 --> 02:03:29,000 COLLEGE, AND SO IT'S NOT ONE OF 3499 02:03:29,001 --> 02:03:30,000 THE THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES THAT 3500 02:03:30,001 --> 02:03:31,000 WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY. 3501 02:03:31,001 --> 02:03:33,000 SO WE SHOULD REMI 3502 02:03:33,001 --> 02:03:35,000 THAT WHEN WE HEAR ALL THESE 3503 02:03:35,001 --> 02:03:36,000 STATISTICS ABOUT THE THOUSANDS 3504 02:03:36,001 --> 02:03:38,000 AND THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES WHO 3505 02:03:38,001 --> 02:03:40,000 GO INTO 3506 02:03:40,001 --> 02:03:42,000 JUST BECAUSE MOM GOT CANCER, 3507 02:03:42,001 --> 02:03:44,000 THAT DOESN'T COUNT ALL OF THE 3508 02:03:44,001 --> 02:03:47,000 FAMILIES WHO DID THE 3509 02:03:47,001 --> 02:03:48,000 RESPONSI 3510 02:03:48,001 --> 02:03:49,000 TO SQUIRREL AWAY A LITTLE BIT 3511 02:03:49,001 --> 02:03:52,000 OF MONEY AND EXHAUSTED ALL OF 3512 02:03:52,001 --> 02:03:53,000 IT CHANGING THEIR PLANS 3513 02:03:53,001 --> 02:03:56,000 FOREVER. 3514 02:03:56,001 --> 02:03:57,000 SO LAYER ON TOP OF ALL OF THE 3515 02:03:57,001 --> 02:03:59,000 BANKRUPTCIES, THE HUNDREDS OF 3516 02:03:59,001 --> 02:04:01,000 THOUSANDS OF 3517 02:04:01,001 --> 02:04:04,000 RUINED WITHOUT BANKRUPTCY 3518 02:04:04,001 --> 02:04:05,000 BECAUSE OF THE CRIPPLING COSTS 3519 02:04:05,001 --> 02:04:08,000 OF MEDICAL CARE. 3520 02:04:08,001 --> 02:04:10,000 AND SO THIS IS BEING CELEBRATED 3521 02:04:10,001 --> 02:04:12,000 BY ALL OF THESE FAMILIES OUT 3522 02:04:12,001 --> 02:04:13,000 THERE WHO HAVE HAD TH 3523 02:04:13,001 --> 02:04:14,000 CHANGED FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT 3524 02:04:14,001 --> 02:04:16,000 REASONS BECAUSE THEY DO SEE 3525 02:04:16,001 --> 02:04:17,000 THEY ARE GOING TO GET SOME 3526 02:04:17,001 --> 02:04:19,000 WAGES BACK FROM THEIR EMPLOYER 3527 02:04:19,001 --> 02:04:20,000 WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO SPEND EVERY 3528 02:04:20,001 --> 02:04:22,000 DIME ON HEALTH CARE. 3529 02:04:22,001 --> 02:04:23,000 BUT THEY ALSO SEE THIS BILL IS 3530 02:04:23,001 --> 02:04:25,000 GOING TO GIVE THEM SOME 3531 02:04:25,001 --> 02:04:27,000 SECURITY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE 3532 02:04:27,001 --> 02:04:29,000 THOUGHT JUST CAME WITH BEING A 3533 02:04:29,001 --> 02:04:35,000 CITIZEN OF THE MOST POWERFUL 3534 02:04:35,001 --> 02:04:38,000 AND MOST OF A LIEUTENANT -- AND 3535 02:04:38,001 --> 02:04:39,000 MOST AFFLUENT COUNTRY IN THE 3536 02:04:39,001 --> 02:04:41,000 WORLD. 3537 02:04:41,001 --> 02:04:42,000 FOR THE LIFE OF ME, IT'S BEYOND 3538 02:04:42,001 --> 02:04:46,000 ME WHY THIS CONGRESS HAS NOT 3539 02:04:46,001 --> 02:04:50,000 BEEN ABLE TO STAND UP TO THEM. 3540 02:04:50,001 --> 02:04:51,000 I KNOW THAT INVITES THE IRE OF 3541 02:04:51,001 --> 02:04:53,000 THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY. 3542 02:04:53,001 --> 02:04:54,000 I KNOW THERE WILL BE A LO 3543 02:04:54,001 --> 02:04:56,000 COMMERCIALS ONAIR CRITICIZING 3544 02:04:56,001 --> 02:04:58,000 MEMBERS WHO VOTED IN FA 3545 02:04:58,001 --> 02:04:59,000 THIS AND THOSE WHO MIGHT BE 3546 02:04:59,001 --> 02:05:01,000 VOTING FOR IT IN THE SENATE. 3547 02:05:01,001 --> 02:05:02,000 BUT IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME 3548 02:05:02,001 --> 02:05:03,000 COMING FOR THOSE FAMILIES THAT 3549 02:05:03,001 --> 02:05:04,000 WE BOTH KNOW AND THOSE SMALL 3550 02:05:04,001 --> 02:05:05,000 BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN 3551 02:05:05,001 --> 02:05:06,000 CALLING FOR IT. 3552 02:05:06,001 --> 02:05:09,000 MR. RYAN: I MEAN, YOU THINK 3553 02:05:09,001 --> 02:05:10,000 ABJUST IN THE 17TH 3554 02:05:10,001 --> 02:05:12,000 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, 14,000 3555 02:05:12,001 --> 02:05:14,000 SMALL BUSINESSES WILL NOW BE 3556 02:05:14,001 --> 02:05:16,000 3557 02:05:16,001 --> 02:05:17,000 GOING TO BE NEGOTIATING WITH 3558 02:05:17,001 --> 02:05:20,000 MORE IN OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES 3559 02:05:20,001 --> 02:05:25,000 TO TRY TO BRING DOWN PRICES. 3560 02:05:25,001 --> 02:05:28,000 AND 12,300 SMALL BUSINESSES IN MY CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT WILL 3561 02:05:28,001 --> 02:05:30,000 BE GETTING TAX CREDITS AS 3562 02:05:30,001 --> 02:05:31,000 INNTIVE TO COMPENSATE FOR 3563 02:05:31,001 --> 02:05:33,000 THIS. 3564 02:05:33,001 --> 02:05:35,000 43,000 PEOPLE WILL NOW HAVE 3565 02:05:35,001 --> 02:05:36,000 INSURANCE THAT 3566 02:05:36,001 --> 02:05:38,000 INSURANCE. 3567 02:05:38,001 --> 02:05:40,000 AND WE HAVE IN YOUNGSTOWN A 3568 02:05:40,001 --> 02:05:41,000 HOSPITAL THAT JUST FILED 3569 02:05:41,001 --> 02:05:43,000 BANKRUPTCY. 3570 02:05:43,001 --> 02:05:45,000 YOU KNOW, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN 3571 02:05:45,001 --> 02:05:47,000 EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT WALKS 3572 02:05:47,001 --> 02:05:48,000 THROUGH THAT DOOR WILL HAVE 3573 02:05:48,001 --> 02:05:51,000 HEALTH INSURANCE. 3574 02:05:51,001 --> 02:05:53,000 AND NSTEAD OF THAT COST BEING 3575 02:05:53,001 --> 02:05:55,000 PASSED ON TO EVERYONE ELSE. 3576 02:05:55,001 --> 02:05:56,000 AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK 3577 02:05:56,001 --> 02:05:57,000 ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN YOU WERE 3578 02:05:57,001 --> 02:06:01,000 JUST TALKING ABOUT WHO HAD TO 3579 02:06:01,001 --> 02:06:06,000 SPEND THROUGH HIS 3580 02:06:06,001 --> 02:06:09,000 FUND IF THESE REFORMS 3581 02:06:09,001 --> 02:06:11,000 IN PLACE, THAT PERSON'S AMOUNT 3582 02:06:11,001 --> 02:06:13,000 OF OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENDITURES 3583 02:06:13,001 --> 02:06:15,000 WOULD BE LIMITED TO 10% OR 12% 3584 02:06:15,001 --> 02:06:17,000 OF THAT FAMILY'S INCOME. 3585 02:06:17,001 --> 02:06:19,000 SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO GO 3586 02:06:19,001 --> 02:06:21,000 INTO THE COLLEGE FUND. 3587 02:06:21,001 --> 02:06:23,000 OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE VOTED AGAINST THAT. 3588 02:06:23,001 --> 02:06:25,000 SO WE GOT TO GO BACK TO OUR 3589 02:06:25,001 --> 02:06:30,000 CONSTITUENTS AND DEFEND EVERY 3590 02:06:30,001 --> 02:06:32,000 VOTE THAT WE HAVE MADE HERE AND S TO ME IS SIGNIFICANT. 3591 02:06:32,001 --> 02:06:34,000 THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITION NOT 3592 02:06:34,001 --> 02:06:35,000 BEING KICKED OFF OF YOUR 3593 02:06:35,001 --> 02:06:37,000 INSURANCE BECAUSE YOU GET SICK, 3594 02:06:37,001 --> 02:06:39,000 YOU KNOW, THE BEING ABLE TO 3595 02:06:39,001 --> 02:06:41,000 STAY ON YOUR PARENT'S INSURANCE 3596 02:06:41,001 --> 02:06:43,000 UNTIL YOU'RE 27 YEARS OLD. 3597 02:06:43,001 --> 02:06:45,000 ALL OF THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT 3598 02:06:45,001 --> 02:06:48,000 STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 3599 02:06:48,001 --> 02:06:51,000 NOT TO MENTION ON MEDICARE PART 3600 02:06:51,001 --> 02:06:52,000 D BY EXTENDING AND HAVING 3601 02:06:52,001 --> 02:06:53,000 CONSISTENT DRUG COVERAGE 3602 02:06:53,001 --> 02:06:56,000 THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE 3603 02:06:56,001 --> 02:06:57,000 ENTIRE YEAR INSTEAD OF 3604 02:06:57,001 --> 02:06:59,000 INTERRUPTED COVERAGE WHICH IS HAPPENING NOW. 3605 02:06:59,001 --> 02:07:02,000 AND I GOT A LETTER FROM A 3606 02:07:02,001 --> 02:07:03,000 DOCTOR THIS SUMMER WHO WAS 3607 02:07:03,001 --> 02:07:05,000 TELLING ME ABOUT A PATIENT THAT 3608 02:07:05,001 --> 02:07:06,000 HE HAD THAT MET HER LIMIT ON 3609 02:07:06,001 --> 02:07:07,000 PART D. 3610 02:07:07,001 --> 02:07:09,000 AND I CAN'T REMEMBER AT THIS 3611 02:07:09,001 --> 02:07:10,000 POINT EXACTLY WHAT THE ISSUE 3612 02:07:10,001 --> 02:07:13,000 WAS WITH HER. 3613 02:07:13,001 --> 02:07:16,000 BUT THEY HAD TO TAKE HER FROM 3614 02:07:16,001 --> 02:07:17,000 THE DRUG OF CHOICE TO A CHEAPER 3615 02:07:17,001 --> 02:07:18,000 DRUG BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T 3616 02:07:18,001 --> 02:07:20,000 AFFORD IT. 3617 02:07:20,001 --> 02:07:22,000 SO IN JUNE OR JULY WHEN SHE MET 3618 02:07:22,001 --> 02:07:23,000 HER CAP THEY HAD TO SWITCH 3619 02:07:23,001 --> 02:07:25,000 PRESCRIPTIONS BECAUSE SHE 3620 02:07:25,001 --> 02:07:26,000 COULDN'T AFFORD THE ONE THAT HE 3621 02:07:26,001 --> 02:07:28,000 HAD HER ON. 3622 02:07:28,001 --> 02:07:29,000 SHE ENDED UP GETTING SICK. 3623 02:07:29,001 --> 02:07:30,000 THEY SWITCHED PRESCRIPTIONS 3624 02:07:30,001 --> 02:07:32,000 AGAIN AND AGAIN AND SHE ENDED 3625 02:07:32,001 --> 02:07:33,000 UP IN THE HOSPITAL FOR A WEEK 3626 02:07:33,001 --> 02:07:36,000 OR TWO. 3627 02:07:36,001 --> 02:07:38,000 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE 3628 02:07:38,001 --> 02:07:40,000 PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY WOULD 3629 02:07:40,001 --> 02:07:41,000 YOU NOT JUST -- HOW MUCH 3630 02:07:41,001 --> 02:07:43,000 CHEAPER WOULD IT HAVE BEEN FOR 3631 02:07:43,001 --> 02:07:45,000 THE TAXPAYER TO CONSISTENTLY 3632 02:07:45,001 --> 02:07:48,000 PAY FOR THOSE PRESCRIPTIONS 3633 02:07:48,001 --> 02:07:51,000 THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE 3634 02:07:51,001 --> 02:07:53,000 YEAR INSTEAD OF HER 3635 02:07:53,001 --> 02:07:55,000 THE HOSPITAL AND FOR A WEEK OR 3636 02:07:55,001 --> 02:07:57,000 10 DAYS OR TWO WEEKS AND HAVING 3637 02:07:57,001 --> 02:07:59,000 MEDICARE PAY FOR 3638 02:07:59,001 --> 02:08:00,000 JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A VERY 3639 02:08:00,001 --> 02:08:02,000 SMT INVESTMENT ON BEHALF OF 3640 02:08:02,001 --> 02:08:04,000 THE TAXPAYER. 3641 02:08:04,001 --> 02:08:07,000 MR. MURPHY: AGAIN, IT'S A 3642 02:08:07,001 --> 02:08:08,000 REASON WHY, 3643 02:08:08,001 --> 02:08:09,000 COME OUT SO STRONGLY IN FAVOR 3644 02:08:09,001 --> 02:08:11,000 OF THIS BILL BECAUSE THEY KNOW 3645 02:08:11,001 --> 02:08:12,000 THAT THIS IS A 3646 02:08:12,001 --> 02:08:14,000 SENIORS. 3647 02:08:14,001 --> 02:08:15,000 NOW, LISTEN, A LOT OF DEMOCRATS 3648 02:08:15,001 --> 02:08:17,000 DISAGREED WITH THE FACT THAT 3649 02:08:17,001 --> 02:08:18,000 AARP CAME OUT AND SUPPORTED THE 3650 02:08:18,001 --> 02:08:19,000 MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG BILL 3651 02:08:19,001 --> 02:08:22,000 WHEN IT DID. 3652 02:08:22,001 --> 02:08:24,000 BUT IT 3653 02:08:24,001 --> 02:08:26,000 IS A GROUP THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN 3654 02:08:26,001 --> 02:08:27,000 THEY THI IT'S RIGHT FOR 3655 02:08:27,001 --> 02:08:29,000 SENIORS, IT'S 3656 02:08:29,001 --> 02:08:30,000 GOING TO SUPPORT IT WHETHER 3657 02:08:30,001 --> 02:08:33,000 IT'S A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT 3658 02:08:33,001 --> 02:08:35,000 PROPOSAL. A LOT OF 3659 02:08:35,001 --> 02:08:37,000 REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVE 3660 02:08:37,001 --> 02:08:39,000 TALK SHOW HOSTS COME OUT SAYING 3661 02:08:39,001 --> 02:08:41,000 THAT THE AARP ENDORSEMENT 3662 02:08:41,001 --> 02:08:42,000 DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. THEY'RE FRIENDLY TO THE 3663 02:08:42,001 --> 02:08:43,000 DEMOCRATS. 3664 02:08:43,001 --> 02:08:44,000 WELL, THEY ENDORSED THE 3665 02:08:44,001 --> 02:08:46,000 MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG 3666 02:08:46,001 --> 02:08:49,000 BENEFIT ICH WAS, 3667 02:08:49,001 --> 02:08:51,000 VOTED ON SOLELY BY REPUBLICANS. 3668 02:08:51,001 --> 02:08:52,000 SO WHETHER WE AGREE OR 3669 02:08:52,001 --> 02:08:53,000 DISAGREE, THEY PLAYED BOTH 3670 02:08:53,001 --> 02:08:56,000 SIDES OF THIS DEBATE. 3671 02:08:56,001 --> 02:08:58,000 BUT AARP SUPPORTS THIS BILL 3672 02:08:58,001 --> 02:09:01,000 BECAUSE IT GETS RID OF THE DOUGHNUT HOLE. 3673 02:09:01,001 --> 02:09:03,000 NOW, IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO 3674 02:09:03,001 --> 02:09:06,000 FULLY GET RID OF IT, BUT 3675 02:09:06,001 --> 02:09:07,000 ONE AFTER THIS BILL IS PASSED, 3676 02:09:07,001 --> 02:09:10,000 THE SIZE OF THE DOUGHNUT HOLE 3677 02:09:10,001 --> 02:09:11,000 GETS REDUCED BY $500 3678 02:09:11,001 --> 02:09:13,000 EVERY SENIOR THAT WALKS INTO 3679 02:09:13,001 --> 02:09:16,000 THE PHARMACY WHEN YOU'RE IN 3680 02:09:16,001 --> 02:09:18,000 THAT MOMENT OF EXPOSURE, THE 3681 02:09:18,001 --> 02:09:21,000 COST OF BRAND NAME DRUGS 3682 02:09:21,001 --> 02:09:23,000 BE CUT IN HALF. 3683 02:09:23,001 --> 02:09:25,000 EVERY BRAND NAME DRUGS FOR 3684 02:09:25,001 --> 02:09:26,000 SENIORS IN THE DOUGHNUT HOLE 3685 02:09:26,001 --> 02:09:28,000 GETS CUT BY 50%. 3686 02:09:28,001 --> 02:09:29,000 WHEN YOU WALK IN TO GET YOUR 3687 02:09:29,001 --> 02:09:30,000 CHECKUP, NO LONGER DOES ANY 3688 02:09:30,001 --> 02:09:32,000 SENIOR HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE 3689 02:09:32,001 --> 02:09:33,000 MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKET. 3690 02:09:33,001 --> 02:09:35,000 MEDICARE IS GOING TO PAY FOR 3691 02:09:35,001 --> 02:09:37,000 THAT NOW BECAUSE WE KNOW IT 3692 02:09:37,001 --> 02:09:38,000 JUST MAKES SENSE TO HAVE NO 3693 02:09:38,001 --> 02:09:40,000 BARRIERS TORE PREVENTATIVE 3694 02:09:40,001 --> 02:09:43,000 HEALTH CARE FOR SENIORS. 3695 02:09:43,001 --> 02:09:45,000 SO AARP JOINING THE 3696 02:09:45,001 --> 02:09:48,000 MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, JOINING 3697 02:09:48,001 --> 02:09:49,000 CONSUMER REPORTS, JOINING 3698 02:09:49,001 --> 02:09:51,000 DOZENS OF OTHER SPECIALTY 3699 02:09:51,001 --> 02:09:52,000 PHYSICIAN GROUPS OUT THERE HAVE 3700 02:09:52,001 --> 02:09:54,000 SUPPORTED THIS LEGISLATION 3701 02:09:54,001 --> 02:09:55,000 BECAUSE THEY SEE THE BENEFIT 3702 02:09:55,001 --> 02:09:57,000 FOR THAT SENIOR THAT YOU'RE 3703 02:09:57,001 --> 02:09:59,000 TALKING ABOUT ON 3704 02:09:59,001 --> 02:10:01,000 D AND MILLIONS MORE. 3705 02:10:01,001 --> 02:10:05,000 MR. RYAN: AND THE IDEA HERE, 3706 02:10:05,001 --> 02:10:07,000 TOO, AND THIS IS HOW MEDICARE 3707 02:10:07,001 --> 02:10:10,000 -- THIS BILL EXTENDS MEDICARE'S 3708 02:10:10,001 --> 02:10:11,000 LIFE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS 3709 02:10:11,001 --> 02:10:13,000 IN PART BECAUSE OF COST SAVINGS 3710 02:10:13,001 --> 02:10:16,000 AND A VARIETY OF OTHERS. 3711 02:10:16,001 --> 02:10:18,000 BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 3712 02:10:18,001 --> 02:10:19,000 HEALTHIER PEOPLE GOING INTO THE 3713 02:10:19,001 --> 02:10:20,000 MEDICARE PROGRAM. 3714 02:10:20,001 --> 02:10:23,000 YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 3715 02:10:23,001 --> 02:10:24,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE 55, 60 3716 02:10:24,001 --> 02:10:27,000 OLD AND WE SEE A LOT OF THEM IN 3717 02:10:27,001 --> 02:10:28,000 OUR COMMUNITIES, THE OLDER 3718 02:10:28,001 --> 02:10:31,000 MANUFACTUR 3719 02:10:31,001 --> 02:10:32,000 WORK UNTIL YOU'RE 55, WHO WORK 3720 02:10:32,001 --> 02:10:34,000 UNTIL YOU'RE 60 AND THEN ALL OF 3721 02:10:34,001 --> 02:10:35,000 A SUDDEN THE COMPANY GOES 3722 02:10:35,001 --> 02:10:37,000 BANKRUPT OR THEY LAY YOU OFF OR 3723 02:10:37,001 --> 02:10:38,000 THEY MOVE THE FACTORY TO MEXICO 3724 02:10:38,001 --> 02:10:41,000 OR TO CHINA OR WHATEVER THE 3725 02:10:41,001 --> 02:10:43,000 CASE MAY BE AND THEN ALL OF A 3726 02:10:43,001 --> 02:10:44,000 SUDDEN THIS PERSON, AND I HAD 3727 02:10:44,001 --> 02:10:47,000 -- HAVE MET SEVERAL OF THEM, 3728 02:10:47,001 --> 02:10:49,000 TALKED TO THEM ON THE TELEPHONE 3729 02:10:49,001 --> 02:10:50,000 TOWN HALLS WHERE THIS ONE WOMAN 3730 02:10:50,001 --> 02:10:52,000 IN PARTICULAR I REMEMBER, 60 3731 02:10:52,001 --> 02:10:53,000 YEARS OLD, JUST IS IT NOT LOS 3732 02:10:53,001 --> 02:10:54,000 HER JO 3733 02:10:54,001 --> 02:10:55,000 CARE COVERAGE. 3734 02:10:55,001 --> 02:10:56,000 THE COMPANY COULD NO LONGER 3735 02:10:56,001 --> 02:10:58,000 AFFORD IT. 3736 02:10:58,001 --> 02:11:01,000 SO NOW SHE'S 620. 3737 02:11:01,001 --> 02:11:02,000 SHE IS -- CAN'T AFFORD -- SO 3738 02:11:02,001 --> 02:11:04,000 NOW SHE'S 60. 3739 02:11:04,001 --> 02:11:06,000 SHE MAKES $32,000 A YEAR. 3740 02:11:06,001 --> 02:11:07,000 CAN'T MAKE IT. 3741 02:11:07,001 --> 02:11:08,000 CAN'T AFFORD HEALTH CA COVERAGE. 3742 02:11:08,001 --> 02:11:09,000 SHE SAID, I AM GOING TO WAIT 3743 02:11:09,001 --> 02:11:17,000 UNTIL I GET ON MEDICARE. 3744 02:11:17,001 --> 02:11:19,000 . 3745 02:11:19,001 --> 02:11:20,000 NOW A PHYSICIAN WON'T MANAGE 3746 02:11:20,001 --> 02:11:21,000 THOSE PROBLEMS SHE HAS. 3747 02:11:21,001 --> 02:11:23,000 THEY ARE GOING TO GO WITHOUT 3748 02:11:23,001 --> 02:11:24,000 ANY CARE, TREATMENT, ANY KIND 3749 02:11:24,001 --> 02:11:28,000 OF MANAGEMENT WHATSOEVER. 3750 02:11:28,001 --> 02:11:31,000 SO SHE IS GOING TO GO INTO 3751 02:11:31,001 --> 02:11:34,000 MEDICARE AT 65 MUCH SICKER 3752 02:11:34,001 --> 02:11:36,000 SHE WOULD HAVE WENT IN IF SHE 3753 02:11:36,001 --> 02:11:38,000 HAD DECENT HEALTH CARE, WHERE 3754 02:11:38,001 --> 02:11:40,000 MANAGED 3755 02:11:40,001 --> 02:11:43,000 AND NOT BECOME CHRONIC TO WHERE 3756 02:11:43,001 --> 02:11:45,000 THEY COULD COST THE MEDICARE 3757 02:11:45,001 --> 02:11:46,000 SYSTEM THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS, 3758 02:11:46,001 --> 02:11:48,000 TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, 3759 02:11:48,001 --> 02:11:51,000 HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS POSSIBLY 3760 02:11:51,001 --> 02:11:52,000 DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS. 3761 02:11:52,001 --> 02:11:53,000 SO YOU HAVE A HEALTHIER PERSON 3762 02:11:53,001 --> 02:11:55,000 GOING INTO THE MEDICARE PROGRAM 3763 02:11:55,001 --> 02:11:58,000 THAT'S GOINGO EXTEND THE LIFE 3764 02:11:58,001 --> 02:11:59,000 OF MEDICARE, IT'S MUCH MORE 3765 02:11:59,001 --> 02:12:02,000 HUMANE THAN TO SAY TO SOMEONE 3766 02:12:02,001 --> 02:12:03,000 -- WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM IS THIS? 3767 02:12:03,001 --> 02:12:06,000 60 YEARS OLD, YOU WORK YOUR 3768 02:12:06,001 --> 02:12:07,000 WHOLE LIFE, AND YOU SAY, SORRY, 3769 02:12:07,001 --> 02:12:10,000 YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, WE'LL PICK 3770 02:12:10,001 --> 02:12:11,000 YOU UP AT 65, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING. 3771 02:12:11,001 --> 02:12:12,000 YOU LOST YOUR HEALTH CARE. 3772 02:12:12,001 --> 02:12:14,000 THAT IS NOT RIGHT. 3773 02:12:14,001 --> 02:12:15,000 THAT IS NOT RIGHT, MR. SPEAKER. 3774 02:12:15,001 --> 02:12:20,000 AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE 3775 02:12:20,001 --> 02:12:21,000 PROGRAM IS TRYIN. MURPHY: ONE LAST THING, MR. 3776 02:12:21,001 --> 02:12:23,000 RYAN. 3777 02:12:23,001 --> 02:12:24,000 IS THAT THE PEOPLE WE ARE 3778 02:12:24,001 --> 02:12:26,000 TALKING ABOUT, THE STORIES WE 3779 02:12:26,001 --> 02:12:27,000 ARE TELLING, I DON'T THINK YOU 3780 02:12:27,001 --> 02:12:29,000 OR I KNOW WHETHER THESE PEOPLE 3781 02:12:29,001 --> 02:12:30,000 THAT HAVE APPROACHED US ARE 3782 02:12:30,001 --> 02:12:32,000 REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS. 3783 02:12:32,001 --> 02:12:35,000 I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THAT GUY 3784 02:12:35,001 --> 02:12:37,000 WHO HAD TO DRAIN HIS ENTIRE 3785 02:12:37,001 --> 02:12:39,000 COLLEGE SAVINGS LISTENS -- 3786 02:12:39,001 --> 02:12:42,000 WATCHES MSNBC OR WATCHES FOX NEWS. 3787 02:12:42,001 --> 02:12:45,000 I HAVE NO IDEA. 3788 02:12:45,001 --> 02:12:47,000 BECAUSE HEALTH CARE CRISES, 3789 02:12:47,001 --> 02:12:49,000 HEALTH CARE CAUSED BANKRUPTCIES 3790 02:12:49,001 --> 02:12:50,000 STRIKE REPUBLICANS AND 3791 02:12:50,001 --> 02:12:51,000 DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS AND 3792 02:12:51,001 --> 02:12:53,000 CONSERVATIVES, PEOPLE ON THE 3793 02:12:53,001 --> 02:12:57,000 LEFT AND PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT. 3794 02:12:57,001 --> 02:12:58,000 THIS IS A NONPARTISAN, 3795 02:12:58,001 --> 02:12:59,000 NONPOLITICAL ISSUE. 3796 02:12:59,001 --> 02:13:01,000 AND MAYBE I WAS NAIVE WHEN I 3797 02:13:01,001 --> 02:13:03,000 CAME HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, 3798 02:13:03,001 --> 02:13:06,000 BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT THERE 3799 02:13:06,001 --> 02:13:09,000 WAS GOING TO BE A WAY WITH 50 3800 02:13:09,001 --> 02:13:12,000 MILLIO UNINSURED, WITH 3801 02:13:12,001 --> 02:13:13,000 HEALTH CARE COSTS RISING 120% 3802 02:13:13,001 --> 02:13:16,000 PER THE AVERAGE SMALL BUSINESS 3803 02:13:16,001 --> 02:13:18,000 IN THIS COUNTRY OVER THE LAST 3804 02:13:18,001 --> 02:13:20,000 10 YEARS, WITH BANKRUPTCIES 3805 02:13:20,001 --> 02:13:21,000 CAUSED BY MEDICAL COSTS ON THE 3806 02:13:21,001 --> 02:13:22,000 RISE. 3807 02:13:22,001 --> 02:13:24,000 I JUST FIGURED THERE WOULD B 3808 02:13:24,001 --> 02:13:25,000 WAY TO GET TOGETHER ON THIS FOR 3809 02:13:25,001 --> 02:13:26,000 REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TO 3810 02:13:26,001 --> 02:13:28,000 SAY LET'S DO SOMETHING. 3811 02:13:28,001 --> 02:13:29,000 AND I THINK FOR THE LONGEST 3812 02:13:29,001 --> 02:13:31,000 TIME I BELIEVED THAT THERE WAS 3813 02:13:31,001 --> 02:13:32,000 STILL GOING TO BE CHANCE FOR 3814 02:13:32,001 --> 02:13:33,000 REPUBLICANS TO CE TO THE 3815 02:13:33,001 --> 02:13:36,000 TABLE HERE. 3816 02:13:36,001 --> 02:13:39,000 AND I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE 3817 02:13:39,001 --> 02:13:40,000 THAT THE REPUBLICANS' 3818 02:13:40,001 --> 02:13:41,000 OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL IS 3819 02:13:41,001 --> 02:13:42,000 ABOUT POLITICAL GAIN. 3820 02:13:42,001 --> 02:13:43,000 DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THE 3821 02:13:43,001 --> 02:13:45,000 REASON MEMBERS COME DOWN HERE 3822 02:13:45,001 --> 02:13:47,000 AND OPPOSE EVERY SINGLE THING 3823 02:13:47,001 --> 02:13:48,000 THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO DO AND 3824 02:13:48,001 --> 02:13:50,000 THEN PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE 3825 02:13:50,001 --> 02:13:51,000 BILL THAT WAS A JOKE THAT 3826 02:13:51,001 --> 02:13:55,000 ACTUALLY LEFT MORE PEOPLE 3827 02:13:55,001 --> 02:13:57,000 UNINSURED AT THE END OF IT THAN 3828 02:13:57,001 --> 02:13:58,000 HAD THE BILL NOT GONE INTO 3829 02:13:58,001 --> 02:13:59,000 EFFECT. 3830 02:13:59,001 --> 02:14:00,000 I JUST -- I DON'T WANT TO 3831 02:14:00,001 --> 02:14:02,000 BELIEVE THAT. 3832 02:14:02,001 --> 02:14:03,000 BUT THERE IS MOUNTING EVIDENCE 3833 02:14:03,001 --> 02:14:04,000 OF THAT CASE. 3834 02:14:04,001 --> 02:14:05,000 SO, LISTEN, THIS THING'S NOT 3835 02:14:05,001 --> 02:14:07,000 OVER, MR. RYAN. 3836 02:14:07,001 --> 02:14:08,000 WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO 3837 02:14:08,001 --> 02:14:09,000 COME DOWN HERE AND PRESS THE 3838 02:14:09,001 --> 02:14:10,000 CASE FOR REFORM. 3839 02:14:10,001 --> 02:14:11,000 WE ARE GOING TO CONTUE TO 3840 02:14:11,001 --> 02:14:12,000 COME DOWN HERE AND PRESS THE 3841 02:14:12,001 --> 02:14:14,000 NEED FOR BOTH PARTIES TO BE 3842 02:14:14,001 --> 02:14:15,000 3843 02:14:15,001 --> 02:14:17,000 OF THIS SOLUTION. 3844 02:14:17,001 --> 02:14:21,000 BUT IT IS INCREASINGLY APPARENT 3845 02:14:21,001 --> 02:14:23,000 THAT ERE IS ONLY ONE PIECE OF 3846 02:14:23,001 --> 02:14:24,000 THIS HOUSE AND ONE PIECE OF THE 3847 02:14:24,001 --> 02:14:26,000 SENATE THAT'S REALLY PUSHING TO 3848 02:14:26,001 --> 02:14:28,000 GET THIS DONE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 3849 02:14:28,001 --> 02:14:30,000 I WISH THAT WASN'T THE CASE. 3850 02:14:30,001 --> 02:14:31,000 WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRY TO PRESS 3851 02:14:31,001 --> 02:14:33,000 FOR IT TO CHANGE, MR. RYAN. 3852 02:14:33,001 --> 02:14:34,000 MR. RYAN: THE BOTTOM LINE IS 3853 02:14:34,001 --> 02:14:38,000 THIS. 3854 02:14:38,001 --> 02:14:39,000 THE BUSINES 3855 02:14:39,001 --> 02:14:41,000 C.E.O.'S IN THE UNITED STATES 3856 02:14:41,001 --> 02:14:44,000 SAY THAT OUR PROVISIONS IN THIS 3857 02:14:44,001 --> 02:14:48,000 BILL WILL SAVE THEM AS MUCH AS 3858 02:14:48,001 --> 02:14:51,000 $3,000 PER EMPLOYEE BY 2019. 3859 02:14:51,001 --> 02:14:53,000 THE C.E.O.'S OF THE CONTRY, TOP 3860 02:14:53,001 --> 02:14:54,000 C.E.O.'S OF OUR COUNTRY SAYING 3861 02:14:54,001 --> 02:14:56,000 THIS IS GOING TO BE THE CASE. 3862 02:14:56,001 --> 02:14:58,000 LET'S AS WE WRAP THINGS UP 3863 02:14:58,001 --> 02:14:59,000 HERE, MR. MURPHY, LET'S USE 3864 02:14:59,001 --> 02:15:02,000 SOME GOOD COMMON SENSE HERE. 3865 02:15:02,001 --> 02:15:04,000 WE ARE GOING TO TAKE 30 3866 02:15:04,001 --> 02:15:06,000 PEOPLE WHO WAIT UNTIL THEY GET 3867 02:15:06,001 --> 02:15:11,000 ABSOLUTELY DEATHLY SICK AND GO 3868 02:15:11,001 --> 02:15:13,000 EMERGENCY ROOM. 3869 02:15:13,001 --> 02:15:16,000 OFF AND OUT OF THE EMERGENCY 3870 02:15:16,001 --> 02:15:19,000 ROOM ROLLS, GET THEM PREVENTIVE 3871 02:15:19,001 --> 02:15:20,000 CARE, SOLVE PROBLEMS WITH $20 3872 02:15:20,001 --> 02:15:23,000 PRESCRIPTIONS INSTEAD OF NIGHTS 3873 02:15:23,001 --> 02:15:25,000 IN THE HOSPITAL, AND REDUCE 3874 02:15:25,001 --> 02:15:26,000 HEALTH CARE COSTS OVERALL. 3875 02:15:26,001 --> 02:15:28,000 ELIMINATE COSTS FOR PREVENTIVE 3876 02:15:28,001 --> 02:15:30,000 COVERAGE SO PEOPLE ON MEDICARE 3877 02:15:30,001 --> 02:15:32,000 AND OTHERS ACTUALLY GET 3878 02:15:32,001 --> 02:15:35,000 PREVENTIVE COVERAGE AS WELL. 3879 02:15:35,001 --> 02:15:38,000 HELP BY RAISING 3880 02:15:38,001 --> 02:15:39,000 MILLIONAIRES AND TAKE SOME OF 3881 02:15:39,001 --> 02:15:41,000 THAT MONEY TO GIVE HEALTH CARE 3882 02:15:41,001 --> 02:15:43,000 CREDITS AND SUBSIDIES TO MIDDLE 3883 02:15:43,001 --> 02:15:44,000 CLASS PEOPLE SO THAT THEY CAN 3884 02:15:44,001 --> 02:15:46,000 AFFORD THEIR HEALTH CARE. 3885 02:15:46,001 --> 02:15:48,000 AND GET PREVENTIVE CARE AND 3886 02:15:48,001 --> 02:15:49,000 STAY HEALTHIER AND BECOME MORE 3887 02:15:49,001 --> 02:15:50,000 PRODUCTIVE. 3888 02:15:50,001 --> 02:15:51,000 ALL MAKES A GREAT DEAL OF RENS 3889 02:15:51,001 --> 02:15:52,000 SENS. 3890 02:15:52,001 --> 02:15:53,000 WE ARE SAYING TO PARENTS -- A 3891 02:15:53,001 --> 02:15:54,000 GREAT DEAL OF SENSE. 3892 02:15:54,001 --> 02:15:56,000 WE ARE SAYING TO PARENTS THAT 3893 02:15:56,001 --> 02:15:57,000 YOUR CHILDREN CAN STAY ON YOU 3894 02:15:57,001 --> 02:15:58,000 INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE 27 3895 02:15:58,001 --> 02:15:59,000 YEARS OLD. 3896 02:15:59,001 --> 02:16:02,000 WE ARE SAYING TH YOU CAN 3897 02:16:02,001 --> 02:16:04,000 NEVER BE DENIED BECAUSE -- 3898 02:16:04,001 --> 02:16:06,000 INSURANCE COVERAGE BECAUSE YOU 3899 02:16:06,001 --> 02:16:07,000 HAVE A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION. 3900 02:16:07,001 --> 02:16:08,000 YOU CAN'T BE KICKED OFF YOUR 3901 02:16:08,001 --> 02:16:10,000 INSUNCE BECAUSE YOU GET SICK. 3902 02:16:10,001 --> 02:16:12,000 YOU CAN ONLY SPEND 3903 02:16:12,001 --> 02:16:14,000 OUT-OF-POCKET 12% OF YOUR 3904 02:16:14,001 --> 02:16:17,000 ANNUAL INCOME SO THAT YOU DON'T 3905 02:16:17,001 --> 02:16:19,000 GO BANKRUPT LIKE 1,700 PEOPLE 3906 02:16:19,001 --> 02:16:20,000 WENT BANKRUPT IN THE 17TH 3907 02:16:20,001 --> 02:16:22,000 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, OR 3908 02:16:22,001 --> 02:16:23,000 1,700 FAMILIES WENT BANKRUPT IN 3909 02:16:23,001 --> 02:16:25,000 THE 1TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 3910 02:16:25,001 --> 02:16:26,000 LAST YEAR. 3911 02:16:26,001 --> 02:16:28,000 EXTEND PRESCRIPTION DRUG 3912 02:16:28,001 --> 02:16:30,000 COVERAGE TO SENIORS THROUGHOUT 3913 02:16:30,001 --> 02:16:32,000 THE YEAR, NOT ANY KIND OF 3914 02:16:32,001 --> 02:16:34,000 STOPPAGE THROUGHOUT -- IN THE 3915 02:16:34,001 --> 02:16:37,000 MIDDLE OF THE YEAR, AND MAKE 3916 02:16:37,001 --> 02:16:38,000 SURE THAT WE EXTEND THE LIFE OF 3917 02:16:38,001 --> 02:16:42,000 MEDICARE BY FIVE MORE YEARS 3918 02:16:42,001 --> 02:16:43,000 BECAUSE OF THESE REFORMS. C BREAD AND BUTTER 3919 02:16:43,001 --> 02:16:44,000 COMMONSENSE REFORM. 3920 02:16:44,001 --> 02:16:46,000 THIS IS NOT THE RADICAL KIND OF 3921 02:16:46,001 --> 02:16:49,000 REFORM OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER 3922 02:16:49,001 --> 02:16:52,000 SIDE WANT US -- WANT YOU PEOPLE 3923 02:16:52,001 --> 02:16:53,000 TO BELIEVE. 3924 02:16:53,001 --> 02:16:55,000 IT'S NOT WHAT GLENN BECK AND 3925 02:16:55,001 --> 02:16:56,000 RUSH LIMBAUGH AND ALL THE SCARE 3926 02:16:56,001 --> 02:16:58,000 TACTICS -- THE GOVERNMENT'S 3927 02:16:58,001 --> 02:17:00,000 COMING TO TAKE YOU OVER. IT'S NOT ANY OF OF THAT. 3928 02:17:00,001 --> 02:17:02,000 IT'S BASIC REFORMS THAT THE 3929 02:17:02,001 --> 02:17:05,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT. 3930 02:17:05,001 --> 02:17:07,000 AND LASTLY, LET ME JUST SAY, 3931 02:17:07,001 --> 02:17:09,000 PEOPLE STILL CONTINUE TO TALK 3932 02:17:09,001 --> 02:17:10,000 ABOUT THIS BEING AN ISSUE OF 3933 02:17:10,001 --> 02:17:12,000 FREEDOM. OUR FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE 3934 02:17:12,001 --> 02:17:13,000 KEEP SAYING THIS IS ABOUT 3935 02:17:13,001 --> 02:17:14,000 LIBERTY AND FREEDOM. 3936 02:17:14,001 --> 02:17:15,000 AND YOU KNOW WHAT? 3937 02:17:15,001 --> 02:17:18,000 I AGREE WITH THEM. 3938 02:17:18,001 --> 02:17:20,000 THE PERSON THAT GOES BANKRUPT 3939 02:17:20,001 --> 02:17:22,000 BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD 3940 02:17:22,001 --> 02:17:23,000 HEALTH CARE IS NOT FREE IN THE 3941 02:17:23,001 --> 02:17:26,000 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 3942 02:17:26,001 --> 02:17:28,000 AND THE PERSON WHO PAYS TONS OF 3943 02:17:28,001 --> 02:17:30,000 MONEY INTO THE INSURANCE 3944 02:17:30,001 --> 02:17:31,000 INDUSTRY AND DOESN'T GET ANY 3945 02:17:31,001 --> 02:17:32,000 COVERAGE, THAT DOESN'T SEEM 3946 02:17:32,001 --> 02:17:34,000 LIKE YOU'RQ VERY FREE. 3947 02:17:34,001 --> 02:17:35,000 WHEN YOU'RE SICK AND CAN'T 3948 02:17:35,001 --> 02:17:36,000 AFFORD A DOCTOR, YOU'RE NOT 3949 02:17:36,001 --> 02:17:39,000 FREE. 3950 02:17:39,001 --> 02:17:40,000 AND LET'S TALK ABOUT FREEDOM IN 3951 02:17:40,001 --> 02:17:42,000 2009 AND 2010. 3952 02:17:42,001 --> 02:17:43,000 IT MEANS BEING HEALTHY, 3953 02:17:43,001 --> 02:17:46,000 PRODUCTIVE, GETTING WHAT YOU 3954 02:17:46,001 --> 02:17:47,000 PAY FOR, AND BEING ABLE TO 3955 02:17:47,001 --> 02:17:49,000 SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR BUSINESS. 3956 02:17:49,001 --> 02:17:51,000 THAT'S FREEDOM. 3957 02:17:51,001 --> 02:17:54,000 HOW FRY IS A BUSINESSMAN WHO'S 3958 02:17:54,001 --> 02:17:56,000 GOT TO PAY 30% INCREASE IN 3959 02:17:56,001 --> 02:17:58,000 HEALTH CARE COSTS EVERY YEAR? 3960 02:17:58,001 --> 02:18:00,000 DOESN'T SEEM VERY FREE TO ME. 3961 02:18:00,001 --> 02:18:02,000 MR. SPEAKER, WE'LL CONTINUE TO 3962 02:18:02,001 --> 02:18:03,000 TALK ABOUT THIS AND JOBS AND 3963 02:18:03,001 --> 02:18:05,000 OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE FACING 3964 02:18:05,001 --> 02:18:06,000 THIS COUNTRY AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. 3965 02:18:06,001 --> 02:18:09,000 WITH THAT I YIELD BACK THE 3966 02:18:09,001 --> 02:18:11,000 BALANCE OF MY TIME. 3967 02:18:11,001 --> 02:18:12,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE 3968 02:18:12,001 --> 02:18:23,000 GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE 3969 02:18:23,001 --> 02:18:24,000 BALANCE OF HIS TIME. 3970 02:18:24,001 --> 02:18:26,000 UNDER THE SPEAKER'S ANNOUNCED 3971 02:18:26,001 --> 02:18:28,000 POLICY OF JANUARY 6, 2009, THE 3972 02:18:28,001 --> 02:18:32,000 CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN 3973 02:18:32,001 --> 02:18:33,000 FROM IOWA, MR. KING, FOR 60 MINUTES. 3974 02:18:33,001 --> 02:18:34,000 MRKING: THANK YOU, MR. 3975 02:18:34,001 --> 02:18:36,000 SPEAKER. 3976 02:18:36,001 --> 02:18:39,000 IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE 3977 02:18:39,001 --> 02:18:42,000 RECOGNIZED BY YOU TO ADDRESS 3978 02:18:42,001 --> 02:18:43,000 THE -- YOU AND THE FLOOR OF THE 3979 02:18:43,001 --> 02:18:44,000 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HERE 3980 02:18:44,001 --> 02:18:45,000 TONIGHT. 3981 02:18:45,001 --> 02:18:46,000 MY COLLEAGUES THAT I HAVE HAD 3982 02:18:46,001 --> 02:18:49,000 THIS GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE 3983 02:18:49,001 --> 02:18:51,000 TO SERVE WIT THESE 3984 02:18:51,001 --> 02:18:52,000 YEARS AND THIS 111TH CONGRESS. 3985 02:18:52,001 --> 02:18:55,000 I SAT AND LISTENED TO MY 3986 02:18:55,001 --> 02:18:56,000 FR THE OTHER SIDE OF 3987 02:18:56,001 --> 02:18:58,000 THE AISLE AS THEY BEGAN TO TALK 3988 02:18:58,001 --> 02:19:00,000 THROUGH THIS HEALTH CARE 3989 02:19:00,001 --> 02:19:01,000 DEBATE, WHICH WE HAVE 3990 02:19:01,001 --> 02:19:02,000 ADDRESSED, I THINK, QUITE A 3991 02:19:02,001 --> 02:19:03,000 GREAT DEAL OVER THE LAST COUPLE 3992 02:19:03,001 --> 02:19:06,000 OF MONTHS. 3993 02:19:06,001 --> 02:19:07,000 AND NO LONGER IS IT A 3994 02:19:07,001 --> 02:19:09,000 LEGITIMATE POINT THAT WE 3995 02:19:09,001 --> 02:19:10,000 HAVEN'T HAD AN ADEQUATE TIME TO 3996 02:19:10,001 --> 02:19:13,000 DEBATE, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW 3997 02:19:13,001 --> 02:19:15,000 THAT THERE THIS 3998 02:19:15,001 --> 02:19:18,000 CONGRESS THAT CAN READ 1,090 -- 3999 02:19:18,001 --> 02:19:20,000 EXCUSE ME, 1,990 PAGES. 4000 02:19:20,001 --> 02:19:22,000 AND ANYONE WHO CAN DIGEST ALL 4001 02:19:22,001 --> 02:19:25,000 OF THAT AND READ THE AMENDMENT 4002 02:19:25,001 --> 02:19:29,000 THAT WAS 40 PAGES LONG THAT 4003 02:19:29,001 --> 02:19:31,000 TURNS THIS INTO 2,030 PAGES OF 4004 02:19:31,001 --> 02:19:33,000 A NATIONAL HEALTH CARE ACT THAT 4005 02:19:33,001 --> 02:19:35,000 AFFECTS EVERY ASPECT OF OUR 4006 02:19:35,001 --> 02:19:37,000 LIVES. 4007 02:19:37,001 --> 02:19:38,000 THIS IS NOT JUST NANNY STATE 4008 02:19:38,001 --> 02:19:41,000 CRADLE TO GRAVE. 4009 02:19:41,001 --> 02:19:42,000 THIS IS CONCEPTION TO NATURAL 4010 02:19:42,001 --> 02:19:44,000 DEATH OR EUTHANASIA DEPENDING 4011 02:19:44,001 --> 02:19:47,000 ON WHICH COMPONENT OF THE BILL 4012 02:19:47,001 --> 02:19:49,000 ONE CHOOSES TO APPLY. 4013 02:19:49,001 --> 02:19:50,000 THERE ARE CARVE OUTS FOR 4014 02:19:50,001 --> 02:19:51,000 EUTHANASIA. 4015 02:19:51,001 --> 02:19:53,000 THERE IS A STUPAK AMENDMENT 4016 02:19:53,001 --> 02:19:56,000 THAT IS PART OF THE BILL, 4017 02:19:56,001 --> 02:19:57,000 STUPAK-PITTS-CHRIS SMITH 4018 02:19:57,001 --> 02:19:59,000 AMENDMENT THAT IS A PRO-LIFE 4019 02:19:59,001 --> 02:20:01,000 AMENDMENT AND VERY VALUABLE TO 4020 02:20:01,001 --> 02:20:05,000 ME AND MANY OTHERS. 4021 02:20:05,001 --> 02:20:06,000 HOWEVER, HOWEVER THERE ARE 4022 02:20:06,001 --> 02:20:07,000 GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BROAD 4023 02:20:07,001 --> 02:20:11,000 IMPLICATIONS OF THIS BILL AND 4024 02:20:11,001 --> 02:20:12,000 THE COMPONENTS OF IT THAT RUN 4025 02:20:12,001 --> 02:20:14,000 ANATHEMA TO THE AMERICAN DREAM. 4026 02:20:14,001 --> 02:20:18,000 I WOULD JUST ADDRESS SOME OF 4027 02:20:18,001 --> 02:20:19,000 THE THINGS THAT THE GENTLEMEN 4028 02:20:19,001 --> 02:20:22,000 SPOKE OF IN THE PREVIOUS HOUR. 4029 02:20:22,001 --> 02:20:23,000 ONE OF THEM IS THAT REPUBLICANS 4030 02:20:23,001 --> 02:20:25,000 ALLEGEDLY SAT AROUND AND DID 4031 02:20:25,001 --> 02:20:26,000 NOTHING WHILE THEY WERE IN THE 4032 02:20:26,001 --> 02:20:27,000 MAJORITY. 4033 02:20:27,001 --> 02:20:29,000 WE HAD A NARROW MAJORITY AND WE 4034 02:20:29,001 --> 02:20:31,000 DID SOMETHING. 4035 02:20:31,001 --> 02:20:32,000 WE PUSHED AN AGENDA THAT WAS 4036 02:20:32,001 --> 02:20:34,000 SEEKING TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH 4037 02:20:34,001 --> 02:20:36,000 CARE IN THIS COU 4038 02:20:36,001 --> 02:20:37,000 ELIMINATE -- REDUCE OR 4039 02:20:37,001 --> 02:20:38,000 ELIMINATE THE NECESSARY BURDEN 4040 02:20:38,001 --> 02:20:40,000 ON HEALTH CARE. 4041 02:20:40,001 --> 02:20:42,000 I MADE THE POINT AND I THANK 4042 02:20:42,001 --> 02:20:44,000 THE GENTLEMEN FOR YIELDING FROM 4043 02:20:44,001 --> 02:20:46,000 OHIO, I MADE THE POINT THAT WE 4044 02:20:46,001 --> 02:20:49,000 PASSED LAWSUIT ABUSE REFORM IN 4045 02:20:49,001 --> 02:20:50,000 THIS CONGRESS, I BELIEVE THE 4046 02:20:50,001 --> 02:20:56,000 YEAR WAS 2005. 4047 02:20:56,001 --> 02:20:57,000 THE LAWSUIT ABUSE THAT WAS 4048 02:20:57,001 --> 02:20:59,000 WORKED THROUGH THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHERE I SAT AND WHERE 4049 02:20:59,001 --> 02:21:01,000 LANGUAGE. 4050 02:21:01,001 --> 02:21:03,000 AND WE MODELED THIS AFTER, OF 4051 02:21:03,001 --> 02:21:05,000 ALL PLACES, CALIFORNIA. 4052 02:21:05,001 --> 02:21:07,000 CALIFORNIA INITIATIVE AND SINCE 4053 02:21:07,001 --> 02:21:09,000 THAT TIME TEXAS HAS TAKEN UP 4054 02:21:09,001 --> 02:21:12,000 THE CHARGE OF REDUCING LAWSUIT 4055 02:21:12,001 --> 02:21:15,000 ABUSE ON MEDICAL MALPRACTICE IN 4056 02:21:15,001 --> 02:21:18,000 TEXAS AND THE 4057 02:21:18,001 --> 02:21:20,000 EXITING STATE HAVE TURNED 4058 02:21:20,001 --> 02:21:22,000 AROUND AND MANY HAVE MOVED BACK 4059 02:21:22,001 --> 02:21:23,000 TO TEXAS AND STARTED THEIR 4060 02:21:23,001 --> 02:21:24,000 PRACTICES. 4061 02:21:24,001 --> 02:21:25,000 OTHER PRACTIONERS HAVE COME 4062 02:21:25,001 --> 02:21:27,000 INTO TEXAS AND NOW THEY DO HAVE 4063 02:21:27,001 --> 02:21:29,000 AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF DOCTORS 4064 02:21:29,001 --> 02:21:30,000 AND NURSES AND OTHER MEDICAL 4065 02:21:30,001 --> 02:21:33,000 PRACTIONERS THAT ARE THERE. 4066 02:21:33,001 --> 02:21:36,000 BUT THE COST THAT WAS DIMINISH BIDE THE GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO, 4067 02:21:36,001 --> 02:21:37,000 THE COST OF LAWSUIT ABUSE, EVEN 4068 02:21:37,001 --> 02:21:41,000 THOUGH THE BILL THAT WAS 4069 02:21:41,001 --> 02:21:44,000 OFFERED BY LEADERSHIP SCORED AT 4070 02:21:44,001 --> 02:21:46,000 ONLY $54 BILLION TO THE 4071 02:21:46,001 --> 02:21:47,000 GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO, 1% HE SAID 4072 02:21:47,001 --> 02:21:48,000 OF THE OVERALL HEALTH CARE 4073 02:21:48,001 --> 02:21:50,000 COSTS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT 4074 02:21:50,001 --> 02:21:52,000 NUMBER, I DIDN'T RUN THOSE 4075 02:21:52,001 --> 02:21:54,000 NUMBERS, DOESN'T SEEM TO ME, 4076 02:21:54,001 --> 02:21:56,000 MR. SPEAKER, THAT $54 BILLI 4077 02:21:56,001 --> 02:21:58,000 IS A MINUSCULE AMOUNT. 4078 02:21:58,001 --> 02:22:00,000 DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT $54 4079 02:22:00,001 --> 02:22:03,000 BILLION IS LOOSE CHANGE. 4080 02:22:03,001 --> 02:22:05,000 IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT $54 4081 02:22:05,001 --> 02:22:07,000 BILLION IS PENCIL DUST, MR. 4082 02:22:07,001 --> 02:22:09,000 SPEAKER. 4083 02:22:09,001 --> 02:22:13,000 $54 BILLION IS REAL MONEY. 4084 02:22:13,001 --> 02:22:15,000 AND $54 BILLION IS, THOUGH, A 4085 02:22:15,001 --> 02:22:17,000 SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL 4086 02:22:17,001 --> 02:22:18,000 COST OF LAWSUIT ABUS WHEN IT 4087 02:22:18,001 --> 02:22:20,000 COMES TO PROVIDING HEALTH CARE 4088 02:22:20,001 --> 02:22:23,000 IN AMERICA. 4089 02:22:23,001 --> 02:22:26,000 A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL COST. 4090 02:22:26,001 --> 02:22:28,000 HERE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT 4091 02:22:28,001 --> 02:22:31,000 EMERGED WHEN ONE LOOKS INTO THE 4092 02:22:31,001 --> 02:22:32,000 UNDERLYING COST OF THE LAWSUIT ABUSE. 4093 02:22:32,001 --> 02:22:33,000 AND THE SCORE TH COULD COME 4094 02:22:33,001 --> 02:22:34,000 FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET 4095 02:22:34,001 --> 02:22:36,000 OFFICE CANNOT INCLUDE ALL OF 4096 02:22:36,001 --> 02:22:40,000 THIS BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY CAN'T 4097 02:22:40,001 --> 02:22:41,000 SCORE SOME OF THE ACTUAL COSTS 4098 02:22:41,001 --> 02:22:42,000 THAT DON'T INDEX DIRECTLY INTO 4099 02:22:42,001 --> 02:22:45,000 THE LAWSUITS THEMSELVES. 4100 02:22:45,001 --> 02:22:47,000 AND IT WORKS LIKE THIS. 4101 02:22:47,001 --> 02:22:49,000 THERE ARE HIGH COST IN PREMIUMS 4102 02:22:49,001 --> 02:22:51,000 THAT DOCTORS AND PROVIDERS ARE 4103 02:22:51,001 --> 02:22:53,000 PAYING, ESPECIALLY OB/GYN 4104 02:22:53,001 --> 02:22:54,000 DOCTORS, AND ACCESS TO THOSE 4105 02:22:54,001 --> 02:22:56,000 DOCTORS AND SERVICES ARE 4106 02:22:56,001 --> 02:22:57,000 GETTING MORE AND MORE LIMITED. 4107 02:22:57,001 --> 02:22:58,000 THERE ARE ALSO COSTS INVOLVED 4108 02:22:58,001 --> 02:23:00,000 WITH THE LITIGATION. 4109 02:23:00,001 --> 02:23:01,000 COSTS INVOLVED WITH THE 4110 02:23:01,001 --> 02:23:03,000 SETTLEMENTS WHETHER THEY ARE IN 4111 02:23:03,001 --> 02:23:04,000 COURT OR OUT-OF-COURT 4112 02:23:04,001 --> 02:23:05,000 SETTLEMENTS. 4113 02:23:05,001 --> 02:23:06,000 ONE MIGHT THINK THAT'S ALL THE 4114 02:23:06,001 --> 02:23:08,000 COST OF THE LAWSUIT ABUSE THAT 4115 02:23:08,001 --> 02:23:10,000 IS PART AND PARCEL, THE OVERALL 4116 02:23:10,001 --> 02:23:13,000 COST OF HEALTH CARE. 4117 02:23:13,001 --> 02:23:15,000 BUT AN EVEN GREATER COST, THE 4118 02:23:15,001 --> 02:23:17,000 COST OF UNNECESSARY TESTS AND 4119 02:23:17,001 --> 02:23:19,000 PROCEDURES THAT ARE UNDERGONE 4120 02:23:19,001 --> 02:23:21,000 BY PATIENTS IN THIS COUNTRY 4121 02:23:21,001 --> 02:23:23,000 DIRECTLIED -- DIRECTED BY 4122 02:23:23,001 --> 02:23:24,000 DOCTORS IN THIS COUNTRY TO 4123 02:23:24,001 --> 02:23:26,000 AVOID LAWSUITS, TO PROTECT 4124 02:23:26,001 --> 02:23:27,000 THEMSELVES IN THE EVENT OF 4125 02:23:27,001 --> 02:23:30,000 LAWSUITS, TO MINIMIZE THE RISK 4126 02:23:30,001 --> 02:23:32,000 AND TO ALSO HOLD DOWN THEIR 4127 02:23:32,001 --> 02:23:36,000 PREMIUMS FOR MALPRACTICE. 4128 02:23:36,001 --> 02:23:38,000 AND SO THE COST OVERALL OF 4129 02:23:38,001 --> 02:23:40,000 MEDICAL MALPRACTICE, THE ABUSE 4130 02:23:40,001 --> 02:23:41,000 OF LAWSUITS FOR MEDICAL 4131 02:23:41,001 --> 02:23:43,000 MALPRACTICE IN AMERICA, THE 4132 02:23:43,001 --> 02:23:44,000 COST OF THE MALPRACTICE 4133 02:23:44,001 --> 02:23:45,000 PREMIUMS, COUPLED WITH THE COST 4134 02:23:45,001 --> 02:23:47,000 OF THE LITIGATION, COUPLED WITH 4135 02:23:47,001 --> 02:23:49,000 THE COST OF SETTLEMENTS, BOTH 4136 02:23:49,001 --> 02:23:52,000 IN AND OUT OF COURT, COUPLED 4137 02:23:52,001 --> 02:23:53,000 WITH THE UNNECESSARY TESTS, THE 4138 02:23:53,001 --> 02:23:56,000 DEFENSIVE MEDICINE THAT GETS -- 4139 02:23:56,001 --> 02:23:58,000 THAT NEARLY EVERY PRACTITIONER 4140 02:23:58,001 --> 02:24:00,000 PRACTICES WHETHER IT IS 4141 02:24:00,001 --> 02:24:02,000 SOMETHING THEY ACTUALLY CAN 4142 02:24:02,001 --> 02:24:04,000 IDENTIFY OR WHETHER IT'S A 4143 02:24:04,001 --> 02:24:06,000 SUBLIMINAL SHIFT IN THEIR 4144 02:24:06,001 --> 02:24:09,000 POLICY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS NUMBER 4145 02:24:09,001 --> 02:24:11,000 THAT CAN BE APPLIED IS NOT 4146 02:24:11,001 --> 02:24:12,000 TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO, THE 4147 02:24:12,001 --> 02:24:15,000 LOWEST NUMBER CAN I FIND OUT 4148 02:24:15,001 --> 02:24:16,000 THERE BY ANYONE'S LOGICAL 4149 02:24:16,001 --> 02:24:18,000 REPRESENTATION IS 5.5%. 4150 02:24:18,001 --> 02:24:21,000 THE NUMBER THAT I TRUST THE 4151 02:24:21,001 --> 02:24:23,000 MOST IS THE 8.5% NUMBE THAT 4152 02:24:23,001 --> 02:24:24,000 COMES FROM THE HEALTH INSURANCE 4153 02:24:24,001 --> 02:24:27,000 UNDERWRITERS REPRESE 4154 02:24:27,001 --> 02:24:30,000 AND 8 1/2% IS A LOW NUMBER. 4155 02:24:30,001 --> 02:24:35,000 SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS GO UP TO 4156 02:24:35,001 --> 02:24:37,000 10.1% AND ON UP 4157 02:24:37,001 --> 02:24:39,000 24%, 28%, AND EVEN 30% OF 4158 02:24:39,001 --> 02:24:41,000 OVERALL HEALTH CARE COSTS. 4159 02:24:41,001 --> 02:24:44,000 I WILL RANGE UP IN THERE INTO 4160 02:24:44,001 --> 02:24:45,000 THAT 1/4 TO 1/3 OF THE OVERALL 4161 02:24:45,001 --> 02:24:46,000 COSTS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A 4162 02:24:46,001 --> 02:24:48,000 HARDER NUMBER TO DEFEND 4163 02:24:48,001 --> 02:24:50,000 ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE TRUE. 4164 02:24:50,001 --> 02:24:54,000 BUT I DO BELIEVE, I'M ON VERY 4165 02:24:54,001 --> 02:24:56,000 SOLID GROUND DEFENDING 8 1/2% 4166 02:24:56,001 --> 02:24:57,000 OF HEALTH CARE COSTS GOING TO 4167 02:24:57,001 --> 02:24:59,000 EITHER PREMIUMS FOR 4168 02:24:59,001 --> 02:25:00,000 MALPRACTICE, TRIAL LAWYERS, 4169 02:25:00,001 --> 02:25:02,000 THOSE SETTLEMENTS, HORS 4170 02:25:02,001 --> 02:25:04,000 D'OEUVRE MEDICINE. 4171 02:25:04,001 --> 02:25:06,000 8 1/2% OF THE OVERALL COST OF 4172 02:25:06,001 --> 02:25:08,000 PROVIDING HEALTH CARE TO 4173 02:25:08,001 --> 02:25:09,000 AMERICA COMES $203 BILLION A 4174 02:25:09,001 --> 02:25:12,000 YEAR. 4175 02:25:12,001 --> 02:25:13,000 THAT'S ONLY ONE YEAR. 4176 02:25:13,001 --> 02:25:15,000 THIS BILL GETS SCORED OVER 10 4177 02:25:15,001 --> 02:25:19,000 YEARS. 4178 02:25:19,001 --> 02:25:22,000 SO THAT -- THAT 4179 02:25:22,001 --> 02:25:25,000 OVER 10 YEARS EXCEEDS 4180 02:25:25,001 --> 02:25:26,000 TRILLION. 4181 02:25:26,001 --> 02:25:28,000 $2 TRILLION AND THE AGGREGATE 4182 02:25:28,001 --> 02:25:32,000 COSTS OF PREMIUMS AND 4183 02:25:32,001 --> 02:25:34,000 LITIGATION AND SETTLE -- SETTLEMENTS, WE'LL KEEP 4184 02:25:34,001 --> 02:25:35,000 EVERYBODY WHOLE. 4185 02:25:35,001 --> 02:25:39,000 THOSE ARE THE UNFORTUNATE WHO 4186 02:25:39,001 --> 02:25:40,000 ARE I'AY VICTIMS OF MEDICAL 4187 02:25:40,001 --> 02:25:42,000 MALPRACTICE, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THEM WHOLE. 4188 02:25:42,001 --> 02:25:44,000 WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT 4189 02:25:44,001 --> 02:25:45,000 THEIR MEDICAL COSTS ARE PAID 4190 02:25:45,001 --> 02:25:46,000 FOR AND THEIR LOSS OF INCOME 4191 02:25:46,001 --> 02:25:49,000 ARE PAID FOR AND THERE'S PAIN 4192 02:25:49,001 --> 02:25:50,000 AND SUFFERING THERE, BUT NOT 4193 02:25:50,001 --> 02:25:52,000 THE NONECONOMIC DAMAGES, NOT 4194 02:25:52,001 --> 02:25:54,000 THAT COMPONENT THAT GOES OFF 4195 02:25:54,001 --> 02:25:58,000 INTO $7 MILLION FOR SPILLING A 4196 02:25:58,001 --> 02:25:59,000 CUP OF COFFEE ON ONE'S LAP AT 4197 02:25:59,001 --> 02:26:00,000 MCDONALD'S AS HAPPENED. 4198 02:26:00,001 --> 02:26:01,000 I UNDERSTAND THAT NEGOTIATED 4199 02:26:01,001 --> 02:26:02,000 DOWN AND REDUCED AFTER THE 4200 02:26:02,001 --> 02:26:05,000 FACT. 4201 02:26:05,001 --> 02:26:07,000 . 4202 02:26:07,001 --> 02:26:10,000 SO 8.5% OF OVERALL HEALTH CARE 4203 02:26:10,001 --> 02:26:12,000 COSTS GOING FOR LAWSUIT ABUSE, 4204 02:26:12,001 --> 02:26:14,000 AND WE CAN REFORM A LOT OF THAT. 4205 02:26:14,001 --> 02:26:17,000 WE CAN REFORM A LOT MORE THAN 4206 02:26:17,001 --> 02:26:19,000 54 MILLION -- $54 BILLION OF IT. 4207 02:26:19,001 --> 02:26:21,000 AND IT TOTALS IN ITS AGGREGATE 4208 02:26:21,001 --> 02:26:24,000 OVER $2 TRILLION, WHICH IN AND 4209 02:26:24,001 --> 02:26:27,000 OF ITSELF IS ENOUGH ACCORDING 4210 02:26:27,001 --> 02:26:28,000 TO THE C.B.O PAID FOR IN NANCY 4211 02:26:28,001 --> 02:26:29,000 PELOSI'S SOCIALIZED MEDICINE 4212 02:26:29,001 --> 02:26:31,000 PLAN, MR. SPEAKER. 4213 02:26:31,001 --> 02:26:34,000 I THINK IT PUTS IT IN A 4214 02:26:34,001 --> 02:26:36,000 PERSPECTIVE THAN IS FAR MORE 4215 02:26:36,001 --> 02:26:37,000 LEGITIMATE THAN TALKED ABOUT BY 4216 02:26:37,001 --> 02:26:39,000 THE GENTLEMEN IN THE PREVIOUS 4217 02:26:39,001 --> 02:26:40,000 HOUR WHO ANNOUNCED THAT I 4218 02:26:40,001 --> 02:26:42,000 MAKE LESS THAN $89,000 A YEAR 4219 02:26:42,001 --> 02:26:45,000 YOU ARE GOING TO GET A SUBSIDY 4220 02:26:45,001 --> 02:26:47,000 FOR YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE. $89,000 A YEAR. 4221 02:26:47,001 --> 02:26:49,000 AND WE ARE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE 4222 02:26:49,001 --> 02:26:53,000 HEALTH INSURANCE FOR PEOPLE 4223 02:26:53,001 --> 02:26:56,000 MAKING $89,000 A YEAR? 4224 02:26:56,001 --> 02:26:57,000 ARE THEY GOING TO BE PAYING THE 4225 02:26:57,001 --> 02:26:58,000 ALTE 4226 02:26:58,001 --> 02:27:00,000 WONDER, MR. SPEAKER? 4227 02:27:00,001 --> 02:27:02,000 I SUSPECT THAT WILL BE MANY 4228 02:27:02,001 --> 02:27:04,000 FAMILIES THAT THAT'S THE CASE. 4229 02:27:04,001 --> 02:27:07,000 WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE 4230 02:27:07,001 --> 02:27:12,000 MAJORITY SOUGHT TO CHANGE THE 4231 02:27:12,001 --> 02:27:15,000 SCHIP LEGISLATION THAT STATE CHILDREN'S HEALTH INSURANCE 4232 02:27:15,001 --> 02:27:17,000 PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES HEALTH 4233 02:27:17,001 --> 02:27:18,000 INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR 4234 02:27:18,001 --> 02:27:19,000 LOW-INCOME -- KIDS IN 4235 02:27:19,001 --> 02:27:21,000 LOW-INCOME FAMILIES. 4236 02:27:21,001 --> 02:27:23,000 THAT PASSED IN 1997. 4237 02:27:23,001 --> 02:27:26,000 I REMEMBER IMPLEMENTING IT IN 4238 02:27:26,001 --> 02:27:28,000 1998 WHEN I WAS IN THE IOWA 4239 02:27:28,001 --> 02:27:29,000 STATE SENATE AT 200% OF 4240 02:27:29,001 --> 02:27:30,000 POVERTY. 4241 02:27:30,001 --> 02:27:33,000 THE STATES COULD HAVE ADJUSTED 4242 02:27:33,001 --> 02:27:34,000 THAT TO SOME DEGREE. 4243 02:27:34,001 --> 02:27:37,000 200% ABOVE POVERTY IS WHAT I 4244 02:27:37,001 --> 02:27:38,000 SUPPORTED. 4245 02:27:38,001 --> 02:27:41,000 AND SPEAKER PELOSI WANTED TO 4246 02:27:41,001 --> 02:27:44,000 CHANGE THAT SCHIP PROGRAM TO 4247 02:27:44,001 --> 02:27:45,000 400% ABOVE POV 4248 02:27:45,001 --> 02:27:52,000 HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR 4249 02:27:52,001 --> 02:27:54,000 CHILDREN THAT ARE EARNING 4250 02:27:54,001 --> 02:27:56,000 -- THAT MEANT IF A LEEMS OF 4251 02:27:56,001 --> 02:27:59,000 FOUR MAKING -- FAMILIES OF FOUR 4252 02:27:59,001 --> 02:28:00,000 MAKING $102,000 A YEAR COULD 4253 02:28:00,001 --> 02:28:02,000 HAVE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE 4254 02:28:02,001 --> 02:28:03,000 PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS. 4255 02:28:03,001 --> 02:28:05,000 THE TAXPAYERS WHO PRESUMABLY 4256 02:28:05,001 --> 02:28:07,000 MANY OF THEM ARE MAKING LESS 4257 02:28:07,001 --> 02:28:11,000 THAN $102,000 A YEAR. 4258 02:28:11,001 --> 02:28:12,000 EEMED TO ME TO BE AN 4259 02:28:12,001 --> 02:28:16,000 OUTRAGEOUSLY HIGH INCOME TO HAVE THE HEALTH INSURANCE 4260 02:28:16,001 --> 02:28:18,000 PREMIUMS SIZED BY THE TAXPAYERS 4261 02:28:18,001 --> 02:28:20,000 AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 4262 02:28:20,001 --> 02:28:26,000 SINCE THAT TIME, THIS VERY 4263 02:28:26,001 --> 02:28:28,000 ARABS APPETITE TO SHARE -- THIS 4264 02:28:28,001 --> 02:28:29,000 VERACIOUS APPETITE TO SHARE 4265 02:28:29,001 --> 02:28:31,000 THIS WEALTH, A LOT OF THOSE 4266 02:28:31,001 --> 02:28:33,000 INVESTMENTS ARE INVESTMENTS 4267 02:28:33,001 --> 02:28:36,000 THAT FACILITATE THE CREATION OF 4268 02:28:36,001 --> 02:28:37,000 JOBS OR THEY CREATE THE JOBS 4269 02:28:37,001 --> 02:28:39,000 THEMSELVES SCOOP FROM THAT 4270 02:28:39,001 --> 02:28:41,000 CAPITAL AND DISTRIBUTE THAT TO 4271 02:28:41,001 --> 02:28:43,000 THOSE WHO MAKE LESS TAKES AWAY 4272 02:28:43,001 --> 02:28:46,000 THE IN THOSE WHO 4273 02:28:46,001 --> 02:28:48,000 MAKE LESS TO MAKE MORE. 4274 02:28:48,001 --> 02:28:49,000 WHY WOULD ANYONE GO OUT AND 4275 02:28:49,001 --> 02:28:51,000 TAKE A RISK AND INVEST CAPITAL 4276 02:28:51,001 --> 02:28:52,000 AND START A BUSINESS AND EMPLOY 4277 02:28:52,001 --> 02:28:55,000 PEOPLE AND CREATE GOODS AND 4278 02:28:55,001 --> 02:28:57,000 SERVICES THAT HAVE VALUE TO 4279 02:28:57,001 --> 02:28:58,000 THIS ECONOMY IF THEY' JUST 4280 02:28:58,001 --> 02:28:59,000 GOING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNM 4281 02:28:59,001 --> 02:29:00,000 -- IF THE FEDERAL GO 4282 02:29:00,001 --> 02:29:04,000 JUST GOING TO GO IN AND TAX 4283 02:29:04,001 --> 02:29:06,000 YOUR INCOME, KEEP THEM FROM ESTABLISHING A CAPAL BASE SO 4284 02:29:06,001 --> 02:29:07,000 YOU CAN GROW THE JOBS AND TAKE 4285 02:29:07,001 --> 02:29:09,000 THE MONEY YOU EARN AND FUNNEL 4286 02:29:09,001 --> 02:29:13,000 IT OVER HERE AND TAKE THE 4287 02:29:13,001 --> 02:29:14,000 POSITION THAT IF YOU MAKE 4288 02:29:14,001 --> 02:29:16,000 $88,999 A YEAR, UNCLE SAM WILL 4289 02:29:16,001 --> 02:29:18,000 CUT YOU A CHECK? 4290 02:29:18,001 --> 02:29:19,000 AND THAT CHECK WILL GO TO AS 4291 02:29:19,001 --> 02:29:21,000 LONG AS YOU INVEST IT IN HEALTH 4292 02:29:21,001 --> 02:29:22,000 INSURANCE FOR YOUR FAMILY, 4293 02:29:22,001 --> 02:29:24,000 HEALTH INSURANCE FOR YOUR KIDS 4294 02:29:24,001 --> 02:29:26,000 THAT ARE ALREADY COVERED, 4295 02:29:26,001 --> 02:29:28,000 AREN'T THEY, BECAUSE THIS 4296 02:29:28,001 --> 02:29:29,000 CONGRESS PASSED AN ULTIMATELY 4297 02:29:29,001 --> 02:29:30,000 $300% OF POVERTY. 4298 02:29:30,001 --> 02:29:32,000 SO THAT LOWERED THAT NUMBER 4299 02:29:32,001 --> 02:29:35,000 DOWN TO 70,000, SOMETHING LIKE 4300 02:29:35,001 --> 02:29:37,000 THAT IN MY STATE. 4301 02:29:37,001 --> 02:29:38,000 BUT SPEAKING OF 740,000, THAT 4302 02:29:38,001 --> 02:29:40,000 HAPPENS TO BE EXACT -- 70,000, 4303 02:29:40,001 --> 02:29:42,000 THAT HAPPENS TO BE EXACTLY THE 4304 02:29:42,001 --> 02:29:44,000 NUMBER OF FAMILIES IN AMERICA 4305 02:29:44,001 --> 02:29:45,000 THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR FEDERAL 4306 02:29:45,001 --> 02:29:46,000 FUNDING FOR THE HEALTH 4307 02:29:46,001 --> 02:29:49,000 INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR THEIR 4308 02:29:49,001 --> 02:29:52,000 CHILDREN WHO ARE ALSO PAID THE 4309 02:29:52,001 --> 02:29:54,000 RICH MAN'S TAX, THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX. 4310 02:29:54,001 --> 02:29:55,000 70,000 FAMILIES IN AMERICA 4311 02:29:55,001 --> 02:29:56,000 WOULD HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE 4312 02:29:56,001 --> 02:29:59,000 PREMIUMS 4313 02:29:59,001 --> 02:30:00,000 PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYER. 4314 02:30:00,001 --> 02:30:02,000 MEANWHILE, THEY'RE WRIT 4315 02:30:02,001 --> 02:30:03,000 EXTRA CHECK FOR THE ALTERNATIVE 4316 02:30:03,001 --> 02:30:04,000 MINIMUM TAX BECAUSE THEY MAKE 4317 02:30:04,001 --> 02:30:07,000 TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE EYES OF UNCLE SAM. 4318 02:30:07,001 --> 02:30:08,000 SEEM A LITTLE PARADOXIAL, MR. 4319 02:30:08,001 --> 02:30:10,000 SPEAKER? 4320 02:30:10,001 --> 02:30:12,000 SEEM A LITTLE BIT INCONSISTENT? 4321 02:30:12,001 --> 02:30:16,000 SEEM A LITTLE ILL LOGICAL? 4322 02:30:16,001 --> 02:30:17,000 WELL, IT'S GOVERNMENT, AFTER ALL. 4323 02:30:17,001 --> 02:30:19,000 BUT THE STATEMENT THAT 4324 02:30:19,001 --> 02:30:21,000 REPUBLICANS DID NOTHING IS NOT 4325 02:30:21,001 --> 02:30:22,000 A FACTUAL STATEMENT. 4326 02:30:22,001 --> 02:30:24,000 IT'S NOT EVEN AN OPINION. 4327 02:30:24,001 --> 02:30:26,000 IT'S A FACT 4328 02:30:26,001 --> 02:30:28,000 THIS HOUSE PASSED REFORM 4329 02:30:28,001 --> 02:30:29,000 LEGISLATION IN SEVERAL 4330 02:30:29,001 --> 02:30:31,000 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AN 4331 02:30:31,001 --> 02:30:32,000 FOUGHT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY BY 4332 02:30:32,001 --> 02:30:34,000 DEMOCRATS AND, BY THE WAY, WHEN 4333 02:30:34,001 --> 02:30:35,000 IT DID GET OUT OF T 4334 02:30:35,001 --> 02:30:37,000 SPITE OF THEM THEN IT WAS 4335 02:30:37,001 --> 02:30:40,000 BLOCKED IN THE SENATE. 4336 02:30:40,001 --> 02:30:42,000 I SAID AT THE TIME ON THE 4337 02:30:42,001 --> 02:30:44,000 MALPRACTICE -- THE LAWSUIT 4338 02:30:44,001 --> 02:30:46,000 ABUS REFORM THAT BLOCK THAT 4339 02:30:46,001 --> 02:30:49,000 TOOK PLACE IN THE SENATE WAS 4340 02:30:49,001 --> 02:30:53,000 THE RESULT OF THE SENATE 4341 02:30:53,001 --> 02:30:54,000 A SUBSIDIARY OF THE TRIAL 4342 02:30:54,001 --> 02:30:55,000 LAWYERS ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA. 4343 02:30:55,001 --> 02:31:00,000 SINCE THAT TIME THAT INVESTMENT 4344 02:31:00,001 --> 02:31:01,000 SEEMS TO HAVE PAID OFF IN THE , AND 4345 02:31:01,001 --> 02:31:02,000 TODAY WE HAVE A HOUSE OF 4346 02:31:02,001 --> 02:31:05,000 REPRESENTATIVES THAT DOES NOT 4347 02:31:05,001 --> 02:31:08,000 HAVE ONE DOLLAR WORTH OF 4348 02:31:08,001 --> 02:31:10,000 LAWSUIT ABUSE REFORM IN A $1 4349 02:31:10,001 --> 02:31:12,000 TRILLION TO 4350 02:31:12,001 --> 02:31:14,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PLAN. 4351 02:31:14,001 --> 02:31:17,000 NOW, HOW COULD ANY 4352 02:31:17,001 --> 02:31:18,000 SUCH INFLUENCE ON THE HOUSE OF 4353 02:31:18,001 --> 02:31:20,000 REPRESENTATIVES AND PRESUMABLY 4354 02:31:20,001 --> 02:31:22,000 STILL, AND I THINK EVEN 4355 02:31:22,001 --> 02:31:24,000 SO, IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE 4356 02:31:24,001 --> 02:31:27,000 THAT $2 TRILLION IN THE 4357 02:31:27,001 --> 02:31:29,000 AGGREGATE OF 4358 02:31:29,001 --> 02:31:30,000 OUR HEALTH CARE IN AMERICA OVER 4359 02:31:30,001 --> 02:31:32,000 THIS PERIOD OF 10 YEARS, MORE 4360 02:31:32,001 --> 02:31:34,000 THAN THERE ARE 2 TRILLION AND 4361 02:31:34,001 --> 02:31:37,000 WE CAN'T FIND ONE DOLLAR WORTH 4362 02:31:37,001 --> 02:31:38,000 OF SAVINGS AND LAWSUIT ABUSE REFORM? 4363 02:31:38,001 --> 02:31:40,000 NOT ONE DOLLAR IN THIS BILL 4364 02:31:40,001 --> 02:31:43,000 THAT IS A BILL THAT WAS SENT TO 4365 02:31:43,001 --> 02:31:44,000 THIS FLOOR BY SPEAKER PELOSI. 4366 02:31:44,001 --> 02:31:46,000 NOT ONE DOLLAR. 4367 02:31:46,001 --> 02:31:48,000 AND YET THE SAME PEOPLE 4368 02:31:48,001 --> 02:31:50,000 ADVOCATE FOR CUTTING MEDICARE 4369 02:31:50,001 --> 02:31:51,000 REIMBURSEMENT RATES BY HALF A 4370 02:31:51,001 --> 02:31:57,000 TRILLION DOLLARS. 4371 02:31:57,001 --> 02:32:00,000 ALMOST $500 BILLION -- TAKEN OUT OF OUR 4372 02:32:00,001 --> 02:32:02,000 MEDICARE REIMBURSEMENTS, 4373 02:32:02,001 --> 02:32:05,000 MEDICARE REIMBURSEMENTS 4374 02:32:05,001 --> 02:32:06,000 PAY 80% OF THE COSTS OF 4375 02:32:06,001 --> 02:32:07,000 DELIVERING THE SERVICES AND THE 4376 02:32:07,001 --> 02:32:09,000 COST OF DELIVERING THE SERVICES 4377 02:32:09,001 --> 02:32:11,000 IS NOT A COST CALCULATED BY THE 4378 02:32:11,001 --> 02:32:12,000 PROCEED ADVISERS, BY THE HEALTH 4379 02:32:12,001 --> 02:32:14,000 CARE PRACTIONERS, BY THE 4380 02:32:14,001 --> 02:32:16,000 DOCTORS AND NURSES AND 4381 02:32:16,001 --> 02:32:17,000 HOSPITALS 4382 02:32:17,001 --> 02:32:19,000 COST OF DELIVERING THE SERVICES 4383 02:32:19,001 --> 02:32:20,000 IS A NUMBER THAT'S PRODUCED BY 4384 02:32:20,001 --> 02:32:25,000 MEDICARE ITSELF. 4385 02:32:25,001 --> 02:32:26,000 AND THEN IT GETS A POINT EIGHT 4386 02:32:26,001 --> 02:32:28,000 MULTIPLIER ACROSS THAT NUMBER 4387 02:32:28,001 --> 02:32:29,000 AND THAT'S WHAT THEY PAY AT 4388 02:32:29,001 --> 02:32:30,000 MEDICARE. 4389 02:32:30,001 --> 02:32:32,000 AND SO THE WHITE HOUSE HAS 4390 02:32:32,001 --> 02:32:35,000 TAKEN THE POSITION THAT THERE 4391 02:32:35,001 --> 02:32:37,000 IS WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE IN 4392 02:32:37,001 --> 02:32:42,000 OUR MEDICARE AND THEY'RE GOING 4393 02:32:42,001 --> 02:32:43,000 TO CUT THAT OUT AND THEY HAVE 4394 02:32:43,001 --> 02:32:44,000 FOUND SOME BILLIONS OF DOLLARS 4395 02:32:44,001 --> 02:32:45,000 IN SAVINGS. 4396 02:32:45,001 --> 02:32:46,000 THESE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF 4397 02:32:46,001 --> 02:32:48,000 SAVINGS THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE 4398 02:32:48,001 --> 02:32:51,000 TO REDUCE AN ELIMINATE WASTE, 4399 02:32:51,001 --> 02:32:55,000 FRAUD AND ABUSE IN MEDICAR 4400 02:32:55,001 --> 02:32:59,000 SEEM TO BE BAI 4401 02:32:59,001 --> 02:33:00,000 OF A -- AMORPHOUS. 4402 02:33:00,001 --> 02:33:02,000 WE ARE GOING TO GO IN AND PAY 4403 02:33:02,001 --> 02:33:04,000 FOR SOCIALIZED -- I PUT THAT IN 4404 02:33:04,001 --> 02:33:05,000 QUOTES WHEN I SAY THAT, 4405 02:33:05,001 --> 02:33:08,000 SPEAKER. 4406 02:33:08,001 --> 02:33:09,000 THEIR SOCIALIZE MEDICINE PLAN, 4407 02:33:09,001 --> 02:33:11,000 CLOSED QUOTE, BY REDUCING AND 4408 02:33:11,001 --> 02:33:13,000 PERHAPS ELIMINATING WASTE, 4409 02:33:13,001 --> 02:33:14,000 FRAUD AND ABUSE IN MEDICARE 4410 02:33:14,001 --> 02:33:15,000 REIMBURSEMENT. 4411 02:33:15,001 --> 02:33:19,000 SO WHAT TO THEY DO? 4412 02:33:19,001 --> 02:33:22,000 THEY CUT $500 BILLION, HALF A 4413 02:33:22,001 --> 02:33:23,000 TRILLION DOLLARS OUT OF 4414 02:33:23,001 --> 02:33:24,000 MEDICARE REIMBURSEMENT RATES 4415 02:33:24,001 --> 02:33:26,000 AND THEN HAVE NOT PUT THEIR 4416 02:33:26,001 --> 02:33:28,000 FINGER ON WHERE THE ABUSE IS, 4417 02:33:28,001 --> 02:33:29,000 WHERE THE FRAUD IS, WHERE THE 4418 02:33:29,001 --> 02:33:31,000 WASTE IS. 4419 02:33:31,001 --> 02:33:33,000 IT'S, TRUST US, WE KNOW WHAT 4420 02:33:33,001 --> 02:33:36,000 WE'RE DOING. 4421 02:33:36,001 --> 02:33:39,000 REMINDS ME OF A SATURDAY NIGHT 4422 02:33:39,001 --> 02:33:42,000 SITCOM THAT I USED TO WATCH 4423 02:33:42,001 --> 02:33:43,000 OCCASIONALLY AND IT WAS CALLED 4424 02:33:43,001 --> 02:33:44,000 "SLEDGEHAMMER." 4425 02:33:44,001 --> 02:33:46,000 SLEDGEHAMMER WAS A DETECTIVE 4426 02:33:46,001 --> 02:33:49,000 AND HE HAD A SIDE KICK THAT 4427 02:33:49,001 --> 02:33:51,000 WOULD GO THROUGH A HALF-HOUR 4428 02:33:51,001 --> 02:33:53,000 ROUTINE OF CRIMINALS DOING BAD 4429 02:33:53,001 --> 02:33:54,000 THINGS, INVESTIGATING THEM. 4430 02:33:54,001 --> 02:33:56,000 AND NEAR THE END OF THE SHOW 4431 02:33:56,001 --> 02:33:57,000 SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN SUCH AS 4432 02:33:57,001 --> 02:34:01,000 SLEDGEHAMMER WOULD FALL DOWN 4433 02:34:01,001 --> 02:34:03,000 THESS CAN LATOR, TIP OFF THE 4434 02:34:03,001 --> 02:34:05,000 RAILING -- FALL DOWN THE 4435 02:34:05,001 --> 02:34:09,000 ESCALATOR, TIP OFF THE RAILINGS. 4436 02:34:09,001 --> 02:34:13,000 ANSWERED WHEN THE -- AND WHEN 4437 02:34:13,001 --> 02:34:16,000 THE DUST WAS 4438 02:34:16,001 --> 02:34:17,000 SLEDGEHAMMER WOULD FALL ON THE 4439 02:34:17,001 --> 02:34:18,000 CRIMINAL AND THEN SAY, I TOLD 4440 02:34:18,001 --> 02:34:20,000 YOU, TRUST ME. 4441 02:34:20,001 --> 02:34:21,000 I KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING. 4442 02:34:21,001 --> 02:34:23,000 WELL, I HAVE THAT LEVEL OF 4443 02:34:23,001 --> 02:34:25,000 CONFIDENCE IN ADMINISTRATION 4444 02:34:25,001 --> 02:34:26,000 WHO SAY THEY ARE 4445 02:34:26,001 --> 02:34:29,000 TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN 4446 02:34:29,001 --> 02:34:33,000 WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE AND 4447 02:34:33,001 --> 02:34:35,000 CAN'T POINT THEIR 4448 02:34:35,001 --> 02:34:37,000 PASS THIS NATIONAL HEALTH CARE 4449 02:34:37,001 --> 02:34:39,000 ACT, THEN WE WILL GO INTO 4450 02:34:39,001 --> 02:34:40,000 ACTION AND SAVE THIS M 4451 02:34:40,001 --> 02:34:42,000 PAY FOR IT. 4452 02:34:42,001 --> 02:34:44,000 BUT IF WE DON'T AND 4453 02:34:44,001 --> 02:34:45,000 HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT'S 4454 02:34:45,001 --> 02:34:47,000 WILLING TO TOLERATE TENS OF 4455 02:34:47,001 --> 02:34:50,000 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THEIR 4456 02:34:50,001 --> 02:34:52,000 ALLEGED WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE 4457 02:34:52,001 --> 02:34:54,000 IN MEDICARE IS IT THEY'RE 4458 02:34:54,001 --> 02:34:55,000 HOLDING A RIGHT TO A LEGITIMATE 4459 02:34:55,001 --> 02:34:57,000 INTEGRITY AND FISCAL 4460 02:34:57,001 --> 02:34:58,000 RESPONSIBILITY IN OUR 4461 02:34:58,001 --> 02:35:00,000 GOVERNMENT? 4462 02:35:00,001 --> 02:35:01,000 ARE THEY HOLDING THAT RIGHT TO 4463 02:35:01,001 --> 02:35:03,000 A LEGITIMATE RESPONSIBLE 4464 02:35:03,001 --> 02:35:05,000 GOVERNMENT HOSTAGE, HOSTAGE TO 4465 02:35:05,001 --> 02:35:07,000 A BILL? 4466 02:35:07,001 --> 02:35:11,000 A BILL THAT'S SOCIALIZED 4467 02:35:11,001 --> 02:35:14,000 THIS -- AND SO IF WE PASS THIS 4468 02:35:14,001 --> 02:35:16,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AND IT GOES 4469 02:35:16,001 --> 02:35:19,000 TO THE PRESIDENT WHO I BELIEVE 4470 02:35:19,001 --> 02:35:23,000 WILL SIGN ANYTHING THAT SAYS 4471 02:35:23,001 --> 02:35:25,000 NATIONAL HEALTH CARE, I TELL 4472 02:35:25,001 --> 02:35:27,000 YOU IT'S NOT ANY SIGNIFICANT 4473 02:35:27,001 --> 02:35:29,000 SPEAKER. 4474 02:35:29,001 --> 02:35:31,000 AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE 4475 02:35:31,001 --> 02:35:34,000 THE PROVIDERS THAT I HAVE ARE 4476 02:35:34,001 --> 02:35:37,000 GETTING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS 4477 02:35:37,001 --> 02:35:38,000 COSTS TO DELIVER THAT SERVICE 4478 02:35:38,001 --> 02:35:40,000 IN IOWA. 4479 02:35:40,001 --> 02:35:41,000 WE ARE NOT ONLY THE LOWEST 4480 02:35:41,001 --> 02:35:43,000 STATE IN THE UNION IN 4481 02:35:43,001 --> 02:35:44,000 RE 4482 02:35:44,001 --> 02:35:48,000 ALSO PROVIDE CONSISTENTLY SOME 4483 02:35:48,001 --> 02:35:49,000 OF THE 4484 02:35:49,001 --> 02:35:50,000 BY THE CONSISTENT MEASURES THAT 4485 02:35:50,001 --> 02:35:53,000 COME OUT. 4486 02:35:53,001 --> 02:35:55,000 IOWA RANKS IN THE TOP FIVE 4487 02:35:55,001 --> 02:35:56,000 AFTER TIME AFTER TIME AND 4488 02:35:56,001 --> 02:35:58,000 PRACTICE AFTER PRACTICE AND THE 4489 02:35:58,001 --> 02:35:59,000 AGGREG 4490 02:35:59,001 --> 02:36:00,000 OFTEN NUMBER ONE, OFTEN MORE 4491 02:36:00,001 --> 02:36:03,000 OFTEN NUMBER TWO. 4492 02:36:03,001 --> 02:36:07,000 BUT WE ARE IN THE TOP FIVE 4493 02:36:07,001 --> 02:36:09,000 THE MEDICAL OUTCOMES, AND YET 4494 02:36:09,001 --> 02:36:10,000 WE'RE THE LOWEST IN THE NATION 4495 02:36:10,001 --> 02:36:13,000 IN REIMBURSEMENT RATES. 4496 02:36:13,001 --> 02:36:15,000 AND IOWA IS, AND I CAN SAY THIS 4497 02:36:15,001 --> 02:36:17,000 WITH GREAT CONFIDENCE, THE VERY 4498 02:36:17,001 --> 02:36:19,000 BEST COMBINATION OF COST AND 4499 02:36:19,001 --> 02:36:21,000 QUALITY OF HEALTH CARE 4500 02:36:21,001 --> 02:36:22,000 DELIVERED IN THE STATE BUT THE 4501 02:36:22,001 --> 02:36:24,000 LOWEST REIMBURSEMENT RATES IN THE NATION. 4502 02:36:24,001 --> 02:36:27,000 AND NOW THIS WHITE HOUSE WANTS 4503 02:36:27,001 --> 02:36:28,000 TO CUT HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS 4504 02:36:28,001 --> 02:36:30,000 FROM MEDICARE REIMBURSEMENT 4505 02:36:30,001 --> 02:36:32,000 RATES AND MY STATE, I BELIEVE, 4506 02:36:32,001 --> 02:36:33,000 IS THE MOST SENIOR STATE IN THE UNION. 4507 02:36:33,001 --> 02:36:35,000 WE HAVE THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE 4508 02:36:35,001 --> 02:36:38,000 OF OUR POPULATION OVER THE AGE 4509 02:36:38,001 --> 02:36:42,000 OF 85 IN THE STATES OF THE 4510 02:36:42,001 --> 02:36:44,000 UNION, INCLUDING MY MOTHER. 32 COUNTIES IN WESTERN 4511 02:36:44,001 --> 02:36:47,000 IOWA, OF THE 99 COUNTIES IN 4512 02:36:47,001 --> 02:36:49,000 IOWA AND AMONG THE 32 THAT I 4513 02:36:49,001 --> 02:36:50,000 REPRESENT, 10 OF THE 12 MOST 4514 02:36:50,001 --> 02:36:52,000 SENIOR COUNTIES IN IOWA ARE IN 4515 02:36:52,001 --> 02:36:53,000 THE FIFTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. 4516 02:36:53,001 --> 02:36:54,000 THE DISTRICT I REPRESENT. 4517 02:36:54,001 --> 02:36:57,000 AND SO I BELIEVE I REPRESENT 4518 02:36:57,001 --> 02:37:01,000 THE MOST SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL 4519 02:37:01,001 --> 02:37:05,000 DISTRICT IN AMERICA. 4520 02:37:05,001 --> 02:37:06,000 A HALF A TRILLION CUT IN 4521 02:37:06,001 --> 02:37:07,000 MEDICARE BASED ON THE VERY 4522 02:37:07,001 --> 02:37:08,000 QUESTIONABLE AND DOUBTFUL 4523 02:37:08,001 --> 02:37:09,000 ALLEGATION THAT THERE ARE TENS 4524 02:37:09,001 --> 02:37:11,000 OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN 4525 02:37:11,001 --> 02:37:13,000 WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE IN 4526 02:37:13,001 --> 02:37:14,000 MEDICARE, I'M UNCONVINCED THAT 4527 02:37:14,001 --> 02:37:15,000 IT EXISTS, MR. SPEAKER. 4528 02:37:15,001 --> 02:37:16,000 I THINK IT EXISTS IN THE LARGE 4529 02:37:16,001 --> 02:37:19,000 CITIES OF THE COUNTRY. 4530 02:37:19,001 --> 02:37:22,000 I THINK IT SHOULD BE 4531 02:37:22,001 --> 02:37:23,000 RELENTLESSLY AND PERSISTENTLY ROOTED OUT. 4532 02:37:23,001 --> 02:37:26,000 AND WE SHOULD TAKE THOSE 4533 02:37:26,001 --> 02:37:28,000 CRIMINALS AND DO THE WALK WITH 4534 02:37:28,001 --> 02:37:29,000 THEM AND GET THEM LOCKED UP IN 4535 02:37:29,001 --> 02:37:32,000 PRISON WHERE THEY BELONG. 4536 02:37:32,001 --> 02:37:33,000 BUT YOU DON'T HOLD -- YOU DON'T 4537 02:37:33,001 --> 02:37:35,000 HOLD A PRINCIPLE THAT THE 4538 02:37:35,001 --> 02:37:37,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO 4539 02:37:37,001 --> 02:37:38,000 WHICH IS LEGITIMATE LAW 4540 02:37:38,001 --> 02:37:40,000 ENFORCEMENT AND THE ELIMINATION 4541 02:37:40,001 --> 02:37:41,000 OF WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE, YOU 4542 02:37:41,001 --> 02:37:44,000 DON'T HOLD THAT HOSTAGE TO AN 4543 02:37:44,001 --> 02:37:46,000 ULTIMATUM THAT WE HAVE TO PASS 4544 02:37:46,001 --> 02:37:48,000 A NATIONAL HEALTH CARE ACT, 4545 02:37:48,001 --> 02:37:49,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, IN ORR 4546 02:37:49,001 --> 02:37:50,000 TO HAVE GOOD GOVERNMENT. 4547 02:37:50,001 --> 02:37:51,000 GOOD GOVERNMENT IS THE RIGHT OF 4548 02:37:51,001 --> 02:37:53,000 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE 4549 02:37:53,001 --> 02:37:54,000 AMER 4550 02:37:54,001 --> 02:37:56,000 THAT RIGHT. 4551 02:37:56,001 --> 02:37:57,000 WITH THE PROMISE THAT OR THE 4552 02:37:57,001 --> 02:37:58,000 ALLEGATION MADE BY THE 4553 02:37:58,001 --> 02:38:01,000 GENTLEMAN, THE PR 4554 02:38:01,001 --> 02:38:02,000 THAT REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE ANY 4555 02:38:02,001 --> 02:38:04,000 SOLUTIONS, IN FACT, THE 4556 02:38:04,001 --> 02:38:06,000 PRESIDENT SAID HIMSELF THAT THE REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE 4557 02:38:06,001 --> 02:38:07,000 SOLUTIONS, THAT STATEMENT WAS 4558 02:38:07,001 --> 02:38:09,000 NEVER SUPPORTABLE BY FACT. 4559 02:38:09,001 --> 02:38:11,000 THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST 42 4560 02:38:11,001 --> 02:38:12,000 PIECES O LEGISLATION, SOME OF 4561 02:38:12,001 --> 02:38:15,000 THEM COMPREHENSIVE, INTRODUCED 4562 02:38:15,001 --> 02:38:17,000 BY REPUBLICANS IN THIS 111TH 4563 02:38:17,001 --> 02:38:20,000 CONGRESS ALONE. 4564 02:38:20,001 --> 02:38:22,000 AND THE DIFFEREN 4565 02:38:22,001 --> 02:38:24,000 LOGICAL, RATIONAL FREE MARKET 4566 02:38:24,001 --> 02:38:26,000 FREEDOM SOLUTIONS THAT DO 4567 02:38:26,001 --> 02:38:29,000 INTERFERE AND IN FACT HEAL UP 4568 02:38:29,001 --> 02:38:30,000 TO SOME DEGREE THE RELATIONSHIP 4569 02:38:30,001 --> 02:38:32,000 BETWEEN DOCTORS AND PATIENTS. 4570 02:38:32,001 --> 02:38:33,000 AND I TALKED ABOUT ENDING 4571 02:38:33,001 --> 02:38:35,000 LAWSUIT ABUSE. 4572 02:38:35,001 --> 02:38:36,000 THE NEXT ONE IS TO 4573 02:38:36,001 --> 02:38:39,000 PEOPLE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE 4574 02:38:39,001 --> 02:38:40,000 ACROSS STATE LINES. 4575 02:38:40,001 --> 02:38:43,000 FOR EXAMPLE, A YOUNG MAN 25 4576 02:38:43,001 --> 02:38:46,000 YEARS 4577 02:38:46,001 --> 02:38:48,000 PAY APPROXIMATELY $6,000 FOR A 4578 02:38:48,001 --> 02:38:49,000 HEALTH INSURANCE POLICY. FACT. 4579 02:38:49,001 --> 02:38:52,000 HE COULD BUY IT IN KENTUCKY 4580 02:38:52,001 --> 02:38:54,000 ACROSS THE STATE LINES WOULD 4581 02:38:54,001 --> 02:38:56,000 COST HIM $1,000. 4582 02:38:56,001 --> 02:38:57,000 YES, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN MANDATES. 4583 02:38:57,001 --> 02:38:59,000 THAT'S PART OF 4584 02:38:59,001 --> 02:39:00,000 BUT THEY HAVE PUT SO MANY 4585 02:39:00,001 --> 02:39:01,000 MANDATES ON THE HEALTH 4586 02:39:01,001 --> 02:39:02,000 INSURANCE PREMIUMS IN NEW 4587 02:39:02,001 --> 02:39:03,000 JERSEY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE 4588 02:39:03,001 --> 02:39:04,000 THOSE KIND OF OPTIONS. 4589 02:39:04,001 --> 02:39:07,000 AND BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS 4590 02:39:07,001 --> 02:39:09,000 AND THE BURDEN AND THE COST AND 4591 02:39:09,001 --> 02:39:10,000 MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, THE WHITE 4592 02:39:10,001 --> 02:39:11,000 HOUSE COULD BE RIGHT ON SOME 4593 02:39:11,001 --> 02:39:13,000 WASTE, ABUSE UP 4594 02:39:13,001 --> 02:39:15,000 THERE, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO 4595 02:39:15,001 --> 02:39:16,000 WORKING WITH THEIR 4596 02:39:16,001 --> 02:39:17,000 GOVERNOR-ELECT AS HE BECOMES 4597 02:39:17,001 --> 02:39:18,000 GOVERNOR AND MAYBE WE CAN HELP 4598 02:39:18,001 --> 02:39:20,000 ROOT OUT SOME OF THE WASTE, 4599 02:39:20,001 --> 02:39:22,000 FRAUD AND ABUSE AND I'D LIKE TO 4600 02:39:22,001 --> 02:39:24,000 SEE NEW JERSEY REWARDED FOR DOING IT. 4601 02:39:24,001 --> 02:39:25,000 BUT IF PEOPLE IN AMERICA CAN 4602 02:39:25,001 --> 02:39:27,000 BUY INSURANCE ACROSS STATE 4603 02:39:27,001 --> 02:39:29,000 LINES, AND THAT $6,000 POLICY 4604 02:39:29,001 --> 02:39:30,000 FOR THE 25-YEAR-OLD MAN IN NEW 4605 02:39:30,001 --> 02:39:33,000 JERSEY BECOMES A DEMRR 1,000 4606 02:39:33,001 --> 02:39:37,000 POLICY FOR THE 25-YEAR-OLD MAN 4607 02:39:37,001 --> 02:39:39,000 IN KENTUCKY, THAT DRAMATICALLY 4608 02:39:39,001 --> 02:39:40,000 REDUCES THE COST OF 4609 02:39:40,001 --> 02:39:42,000 INSURANCE PREMIUMS IN AMERICA. 4610 02:39:42,001 --> 02:39:43,000 ANOTHER THING THAT DRAMATICALLY 4611 02:39:43,001 --> 02:39:44,000 REDUCES THE HEALTH INSURANCE 4612 02:39:44,001 --> 02:39:47,000 PREMIUMS IN AMERICA IS WHEN 4613 02:39:47,001 --> 02:39:51,000 PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO AND CAN 4614 02:39:51,001 --> 02:39:52,000 AFFORD TO PURCHASE 4615 02:39:52,001 --> 02:39:54,000 CATASTROPHIC HEALTH INSURANCE. 4616 02:39:54,001 --> 02:39:55,000 CATASTROPHIC IS THE ESSENTIAL 4617 02:39:55,001 --> 02:39:57,000 COMPONENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE. 4618 02:39:57,001 --> 02:39:59,000 AND THAT WORKS IN THIS WAY. 4619 02:39:59,001 --> 02:40:00,000 ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE HEALTH 4620 02:40:00,001 --> 02:40:01,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNTS. 4621 02:40:01,001 --> 02:40:04,000 THOSE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS 4622 02:40:04,001 --> 02:40:06,000 THAT WHEN WE PASSED THE 4623 02:40:06,001 --> 02:40:07,000 H.S.A.'S IN 2003 IN THIS 4624 02:40:07,001 --> 02:40:09,000 CONGRE 4625 02:40:09,001 --> 02:40:11,000 INTO LAW, IF A YOUNG COUPLE -- 4626 02:40:11,001 --> 02:40:15,000 AND I DID THIS IN ROUND NUMBERS 4627 02:40:15,001 --> 02:40:17,000 SO AT AGE 20 HAD INVESTED THE 4628 02:40:17,001 --> 02:40:21,000 MAXIMUM AMOUNT INTO THEIR 4629 02:40:21,001 --> 02:40:23,000 H.S.A. FOR THAT ANNUAL YEAR, 4630 02:40:23,001 --> 02:40:26,000 $5,100 A YEAR FOR AOUPLE SAY 4631 02:40:26,001 --> 02:40:27,000 AT AGE 20 AND MAXED OUT EACH 4632 02:40:27,001 --> 02:40:30,000 YEAR INDEXED TO INFLATION AND 4633 02:40:30,001 --> 02:40:32,000 SPENT $2,000 IN REAL DOLLARS IN 4634 02:40:32,001 --> 02:40:35,000 LEGITIMATE HEALTH CARE COSTS 4635 02:40:35,001 --> 02:40:37,000 AND ACCRUED THAT AT 4% -- AND 4636 02:40:37,001 --> 02:40:41,000 WHEN I DID THIS THING IT WAS A 4637 02:40:41,001 --> 02:40:43,000 LOGICAL THING AND IT WILL BE A 4638 02:40:43,001 --> 02:40:44,000 LOGICAL THING SHALL BUT 4639 02:40:44,001 --> 02:40:46,000 THROUGHOUT THEIR WORKING LIFE 4640 02:40:46,001 --> 02:40:47,000 WHEN THEY 4641 02:40:47,001 --> 02:40:48,000 MEDICARE ELIGIBILITY RATE, 4642 02:40:48,001 --> 02:40:50,000 HAVING INVESTED THE MAXIMUM IN 4643 02:40:50,001 --> 02:40:52,000 THE H.S.A.'S DURING THAT PERIOD 4644 02:40:52,001 --> 02:40:54,000 OF TE AND SPENT $2,000 A YEAR 4645 02:40:54,001 --> 02:40:56,000 OUT, THEY ARRIVE AT RETIREMENT 4646 02:40:56,001 --> 02:41:05,000 WITH A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT 4647 02:41:05,001 --> 02:41:07,000 OF $950,000 4648 02:41:07,001 --> 02:41:10,000 MAYBE THEY SPEND A LITTLE BIT LESS. 4649 02:41:10,001 --> 02:41:11,000 $1 MILLION IN AN H.S.A., AND 4650 02:41:11,001 --> 02:41:13,000 WHAT'S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S 4651 02:41:13,001 --> 02:41:14,000 INVESTMENT IN THAT, MR. 4652 02:41:14,001 --> 02:41:16,000 SP WELL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 4653 02:41:16,001 --> 02:41:17,000 WANTS TO TAX THAT MILLION 4654 02:41:17,001 --> 02:41:18,000 DOLLARS. 4655 02:41:18,001 --> 02:41:19,000 THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT 4656 02:41:19,001 --> 02:41:21,000 PEOPLE TO HAVE ANY MONEY FOR 4657 02:41:21,001 --> 02:41:23,000 ANY USE OF THEIR OWN DISCRETION 4658 02:41:23,001 --> 02:41:24,000 WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT MEDICARE 4659 02:41:24,001 --> 02:41:42,000 ELIGIBILITY AGE. 4660 02:41:42,001 --> 02:41:44,000 . 4661 02:41:44,001 --> 02:41:46,000 GET THEIR EXERCISE, DO THE 4662 02:41:46,001 --> 02:41:49,000 ANNUAL CHECKUPS, AND BE ABLE TO 4663 02:41:49,001 --> 02:41:51,000 SAVE THOSE COSTS -- THE HIGH 4664 02:41:51,001 --> 02:41:54,000 COST OF HEALTH MAINTENANCE BY 4665 02:41:54,001 --> 02:41:55,000 GOOD HEALT 4666 02:41:55,001 --> 02:41:57,000 THEIR PREMIUMS LERED BECAUSE 4667 02:41:57,001 --> 02:41:58,000 OF IT AND SEE IT REWA 4668 02:41:58,001 --> 02:42:00,000 GROWING HETH SAVINGS ACCOUNT 4669 02:42:00,001 --> 02:42:01,000 SO THEY CAN ARRIVE A 4670 02:42:01,001 --> 02:42:05,000 RETIREMENT WITH, LET'S JUST 4671 02:42:05,001 --> 02:42:07,000 SAY, $950,000 IN THAT ACCOUNT? 4672 02:42:07,001 --> 02:42:08,000 NOW, THE LIABILITY THAT THE 4673 02:42:08,001 --> 02:42:11,000 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TODAY IN 4674 02:42:11,001 --> 02:42:12,000 TODAY'S DOLLARS, TO BE FAIR, 4675 02:42:12,001 --> 02:42:14,000 MR. SPEAKER, WHEN SOMEONE 4676 02:42:14,001 --> 02:42:15,000 ARRIVES AT MEDICARE ELIGIBILITY 4677 02:42:15,001 --> 02:42:17,000 AGE, THAT MEANS THAT THE COST 4678 02:42:17,001 --> 02:42:20,000 OF THAT ENTITLEMENT FOR THE 4679 02:42:20,001 --> 02:42:21,000 BALANCE OF 4680 02:42:21,001 --> 02:42:22,000 IS ABOUT $72,000 PER 4681 02:42:22,001 --> 02:42:42,000 INDIVIDUAL. 4682 02:42:42,001 --> 02:42:44,000 . YOU HAVE A COUPLE 4683 02:42:44,001 --> 02:42:46,000 SO THE DIFFERENCE IS ROUGHLY 4684 02:42:46,001 --> 02:42:49,000 ABOUT $800,000 AND THEN 4685 02:42:49,001 --> 02:42:50,000 ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION OF THAT LIABILITY ITSELF. 4686 02:42:50,001 --> 02:42:53,000 .6 C 4687 02:42:53,001 --> 02:42:56,000 LIABILITY ITSELF. 4688 02:42:56,001 --> 02:42:58,000 WHY WOULDN'T THIS CONGRESS WANT 4689 02:42:58,001 --> 02:43:01,000 TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO INVEST IN 4690 02:43:01,001 --> 02:43:03,000 THEIR HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT AND 4691 02:43:03,001 --> 02:43:06,000 PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR HEALTHY 4692 02:43:06,001 --> 02:43:08,000 PRACTICES WHILE EXERCISE, DIET 4693 02:43:08,001 --> 02:43:09,000 AND CHECKUPS SO THAT HEALTH 4694 02:43:09,001 --> 02:43:11,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNT BECAME A 4695 02:43:11,001 --> 02:43:14,000 RETIREMENT FUND AND WHY WOULDN'T 4696 02:43:14,001 --> 02:43:16,000 WE AT LEAST AT A MINIMUM OFFER 4697 02:43:16,001 --> 02:43:19,000 THEM THAT IF YOU CAN ARIVE AT 4698 02:43:19,001 --> 02:43:21,000 RETIREMENT AND MEDICARE 4699 02:43:21,001 --> 02:43:24,000 ELIGIBILITY AND BE ABLE TO 4700 02:43:24,001 --> 02:43:25,000 PURCHASE A MEDICARE 4701 02:43:25,001 --> 02:43:28,000 POLICY THAT WOULD TAKE THAT 4702 02:43:28,001 --> 02:43:30,000 INDIVIDUAL OR COUPLE OFF OF THE 4703 02:43:30,001 --> 02:43:33,000 ENTITLEMENT ROLLS, WHY WOULDN'T 4704 02:43:33,001 --> 02:43:34,000 WE THEN TELL THEM, KEEP THE 4705 02:43:34,001 --> 02:43:37,000 CHANGE, MR. SPEAKER? 4706 02:43:37,001 --> 02:43:40,000 WHY WOULDN'T WE SAY TO THE 4707 02:43:40,001 --> 02:43:44,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE, TAKE THIS 4708 02:43:44,001 --> 02:43:46,000 EGG THAT YOU HAVE MANAGED AND 4709 02:43:46,001 --> 02:43:48,000 RETIRE ON, GIVE YOURSELF A 4710 02:43:48,001 --> 02:43:51,000 MO 4711 02:43:51,001 --> 02:43:52,000 OTHER 4712 02:43:52,001 --> 02:43:54,000 PROVIDING THAT SOCIAL SECURITY 4713 02:43:54,001 --> 02:43:57,000 IS STILL THERE OR WILL IT TO YOUR CHILDREN? 4714 02:43:57,001 --> 02:43:59,000 WHY WOULD WE WANT TO KEP PEOPLE 4715 02:43:59,001 --> 02:44:00,000 DEPENDENT UPON A GOVERNMENT 4716 02:44:00,001 --> 02:44:01,000 PROGRAM THAT WILL END UP 4717 02:44:01,001 --> 02:44:03,000 RATIONING HEAL 4718 02:44:03,001 --> 02:44:04,000 BY THE WAY, WE'R 4719 02:44:04,001 --> 02:44:06,000 MR. SPEAKER. 4720 02:44:06,001 --> 02:44:08,000 IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY THERE WAS 4721 02:44:08,001 --> 02:44:12,000 A GOVERNMENT DIRECTIVE THAT WENT 4722 02:44:12,001 --> 02:44:14,000 OUT, A PANEL OF HEALTH CARE 4723 02:44:14,001 --> 02:44:18,000 ADVISORY PANELHAT WOMEN SHOULD 4724 02:44:18,001 --> 02:44:22,000 DELAY THEIR MAMMOGRAMS UNTIL 4725 02:44:22,001 --> 02:44:25,000 AGED 50 AND THEN HAVE THOSE 4726 02:44:25,001 --> 02:44:27,000 MAMMOGRAMS EVERY OTHER YEAR 4727 02:44:27,001 --> 02:44:32,000 BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH 4728 02:44:32,001 --> 02:44:34,000 TESTS DONE EVERY YEAR. 4729 02:44:34,001 --> 02:44:37,000 THINK ABOUT THIS, MR. SPEAKER. 4730 02:44:37,001 --> 02:44:39,000 IS THAT REALLY IT OR IS THIS A 4731 02:44:39,001 --> 02:44:40,000 FEDERAL DIRE 4732 02:44:40,001 --> 02:44:42,000 RATIONING HEALTH CARE? 4733 02:44:42,001 --> 02:44:44,000 WHAT ABOUT THAT 41-YEAR-OLD 4734 02:44:44,001 --> 02:44:47,000 WOMAN WHO ENDS UP WITH BREAST 4735 02:44:47,001 --> 02:44:48,000 CANCER AND DOESN'T GET A TEST 4736 02:44:48,001 --> 02:44:51,000 UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE? 4737 02:44:51,001 --> 02:44:53,000 WHAT ABOUT THE DIFICULTY OF 4738 02:44:53,001 --> 02:44:56,000 TREATING THAT DISEASE OF BREAST 4739 02:44:56,001 --> 02:44:58,000 CANCER WHEN IT GOES BEYOND THAT 4740 02:44:58,001 --> 02:45:00,000 POINT WHEN IT CAN BE HANDLED 4741 02:45:00,001 --> 02:45:01,000 WITHOUT 4742 02:45:01,001 --> 02:45:02,000 WE HAVE A DIRECTIVE THAT CAME 4743 02:45:02,001 --> 02:45:04,000 OUT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 4744 02:45:04,001 --> 02:45:06,000 THAT DELAYS BY 10 YEARS A 4745 02:45:06,001 --> 02:45:08,000 RECOMMENDION THAT WOMEN GET 4746 02:45:08,001 --> 02:45:10,000 MAMMOGRAMS AND SPACE THOSE 4747 02:45:10,001 --> 02:45:12,000 MAMMOGRAMS OUT FROM ONE YEAR TO 4748 02:45:12,001 --> 02:45:18,000 TWO YEARS. 4749 02:45:18,001 --> 02:45:22,000 SO THAT 50 YEAR OLDS GETTING A 4750 02:45:22,001 --> 02:45:25,000 MAMMOGRAM ON THEIR 5 4751 02:45:25,001 --> 02:45:27,000 52 BIRTHDAYS AND SO ON, THAT 4752 02:45:27,001 --> 02:45:30,000 CUTS THE TESTS THAT ARE GOING ON 4753 02:45:30,001 --> 02:45:31,000 IN HIS COUNTRY IF EVERYBODY 4754 02:45:31,001 --> 02:45:33,000 FOLLOWS THAT DIRECTIVE. 4755 02:45:33,001 --> 02:45:35,000 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OU 4756 02:45:35,001 --> 02:45:36,000 BE GIVING THOSE KIND OF 4757 02:45:36,001 --> 02:45:38,000 RECOMMENDATIONS. 4758 02:45:38,001 --> 02:45:40,000 BUT I WIL SUBMIT, MR. SPEAKER, 4759 02:45:40,001 --> 02:45:42,000 THAT THIS IS A LITTLE PREVIEW, A 4760 02:45:42,001 --> 02:45:43,000 LITTLE WINDOW INTO WHAT THE 4761 02:45:43,001 --> 02:45:45,000 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE 4762 02:45:45,001 --> 02:45:46,000 DOING IF THIS SOCIALIZED BILL 4763 02:45:46,001 --> 02:45:48,000 SHOULD FIND ITS WAY THROUGH THE 4764 02:45:48,001 --> 02:45:50,000 SENATE, THROUGH CONFERENCE AND 4765 02:45:50,001 --> 02:45:53,000 OFF THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE AND 4766 02:45:53,001 --> 02:45:54,000 SENATE TO THE PRESIDENT'S DESK 4767 02:45:54,001 --> 02:45:56,000 THAT WILL SIGN ANYTHING. 4768 02:45:56,001 --> 02:45:57,000 THIS IS A LITTLE PREVIEW OF WHAT 4769 02:45:57,001 --> 02:46:00,000 WE'LL SEE. 4770 02:46:00,001 --> 02:46:04,000 WE'LL SEE RULES AND REGULATIONS 4771 02:46:04,001 --> 02:46:06,000 HARD RULES, NOT JUST 4772 02:46:06,001 --> 02:46:07,000 RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT WILL BE 4773 02:46:07,001 --> 02:46:09,000 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S PAYING FOR 4774 02:46:09,001 --> 02:46:14,000 THIS, SO THAT MEANS YOU DON'T 4775 02:46:14,001 --> 02:46:16,000 GET A HIP REPLACEMENT OR A KNEE 4776 02:46:16,001 --> 02:46:21,000 RE 4777 02:46:21,001 --> 02:46:24,000 THEY WILL DECLARE END OF LIFE. 4778 02:46:24,001 --> 02:46:26,000 THAT HAS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AND 4779 02:46:26,001 --> 02:46:28,000 MANY OF THE PEOPLE THERE - A 4780 02:46:28,001 --> 02:46:30,000 NUMBER WAS PUBLISHED THE OTHER 4781 02:46:30,001 --> 02:46:33,000 DAY THAT 4,000 BABIES ARE BOR 4782 02:46:33,001 --> 02:46:35,000 IN GREAT BRITIN IN THE HALLWAY, 4783 02:46:35,001 --> 02:46:37,000 NOT IN THE O.B. SECTION, BECAUSE 4784 02:46:37,001 --> 02:46:39,000 THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM, BECAUSE 4785 02:46:39,001 --> 02:46:42,000 THE RATIONING OF HEALTH CARE AND 4786 02:46:42,001 --> 02:46:45,000 LACK OF PRACTITIONERS 4787 02:46:45,001 --> 02:46:47,000 WOMEN IN LABOR TO BACK UP IN THE 4788 02:46:47,001 --> 02:46:49,000 HALL WAYS AND HE THEIR BABIES 4789 02:46:49,001 --> 02:46:51,000 THERE RATHER THAN THE DELIVERY ROOM. 4790 02:46:51,001 --> 02:46:53,000 THAT IS ONE PIECE OF DATA 4791 02:46:53,001 --> 02:46:57,000 ONE COUNTRY THAT IS LOWER 4792 02:46:57,001 --> 02:46:58,000 POPULATION THAN WE ARE IN THE 4793 02:46:58,001 --> 02:47:00,000 UNITED STATES. 4794 02:47:00,001 --> 02:47:04,000 I SUGGEST TWO THINGS THAT 4795 02:47:04,001 --> 02:47:06,000 REPUBLICANS ARE FOR, ENDING 4796 02:47:06,001 --> 02:47:09,000 LAWSUIT ABUSE, 4797 02:47:09,001 --> 02:47:10,000 PEOPLE OWN THEIR POLICY WHEN 4798 02:47:10,001 --> 02:47:12,000 THEY LEAVE THEIR JOB OR MOVE 4799 02:47:12,001 --> 02:47:14,000 FROM THEIR STATE, WHATEVER THAT 4800 02:47:14,001 --> 02:47:16,000 CHANGE IN THEIR LIFE MIGHT BE 4801 02:47:16,001 --> 02:47:17,000 THAT IT'S THEIR POLICY AND GET 4802 02:47:17,001 --> 02:47:19,000 TOAKE IT WITH THEM AND THEY 4803 02:47:19,001 --> 02:47:21,000 OWN IT AND THAT WILL GIVE THEM 4804 02:47:21,001 --> 02:47:23,000 THE FREEDOM AND MOBILITY FROM 4805 02:47:23,001 --> 02:47:25,000 JOB TO JOB, FREDOM TO BE 4806 02:47:25,001 --> 02:47:26,000 INDENDENT, FREEDOM TO MANAGE 4807 02:47:26,001 --> 02:47:29,000 THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE. 4808 02:47:29,001 --> 02:47:31,000 ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS, MR. 4809 02:47:31,001 --> 02:47:32,000 SPEAKER IS 100% FUL 4810 02:47:32,001 --> 02:47:33,000 DEDUCTIBILITY OF EVERYBODY'S 4811 02:47:33,001 --> 02:47:35,000 HEALTH INSURANCE PRELIMINARY YULLS. 4812 02:47:35,001 --> 02:47:37,000 THAT IS SOMETHING I'M CONFIDENT 4813 02:47:37,001 --> 02:47:39,000 WOULD BE RIDICULED BY THE OTHER 4814 02:47:39,001 --> 02:47:42,000 SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT. 4815 02:47:42,001 --> 02:47:45,000 100% FULL DEDUCTIBILITY. 4816 02:47:45,001 --> 02:47:47,000 WHY WOULD IT BE THAT IN AMERICA 4817 02:47:47,001 --> 02:47:49,000 A CORPORATION THAT'S HIRING 4818 02:47:49,001 --> 02:47:51,000 PEOPLE CAN OFFER THEM A PACKAGE 4819 02:47:51,001 --> 02:47:53,000 OF SALARY AND BENEFITS PLAN, 4820 02:47:53,001 --> 02:47:56,000 WRITE OFF THAT SALARY AND 4821 02:47:56,001 --> 02:47:59,000 BENEFITS PLAN AS IF IT WERE 4822 02:47:59,001 --> 02:48:02,000 WAGES, 10%, BEFORE TAXES, ABOVE 4823 02:48:02,001 --> 02:48:03,000 THE LINE WRITEOFF. 4824 02:48:03,001 --> 02:48:09,000 THAT'S AL RIGHT. 4825 02:48:09,001 --> 02:48:11,000 WHY WOULD IT NOT BE THE 4826 02:48:11,001 --> 02:48:14,000 UNLESS IT TOOK A SALARY OUT AND 4827 02:48:14,001 --> 02:48:15,000 INCORPORATED IT TO TAKE THE 4828 02:48:15,001 --> 02:48:17,000 SALARY OUT. 4829 02:48:17,001 --> 02:48:19,000 AN INDIVIDUAL PARTNER 4830 02:48:19,001 --> 02:48:22,000 DEDUCT IN THE SAME FASHION 100% 4831 02:48:22,001 --> 02:48:24,000 OF THE OVERALL HEALTH INSURANCE 4832 02:48:24,001 --> 02:48:25,000 PREMIUMS LIKE AN INSURANCE 4833 02:48:25,001 --> 02:48:28,000 COMPANY 4834 02:48:28,001 --> 02:48:30,000 I'M GOING TO SUGGEST AN 4835 02:48:30,001 --> 02:48:33,000 FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE HERE IN 4836 02:48:33,001 --> 02:48:35,000 AMERICA THAT IF ANYTHING IS 4837 02:48:35,001 --> 02:48:37,000 DEDUCTLE FOR ANY ENTITY, IT 4838 02:48:37,001 --> 02:48:38,000 OUGHT TO BE DEDUCTIBLE FOR EVERY 4839 02:48:38,001 --> 02:48:40,000 ENTITY. 4840 02:48:40,001 --> 02:48:42,000 I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE 4841 02:48:42,001 --> 02:48:43,000 EXCEPTION THAT TELLS ME THAT 4842 02:48:43,001 --> 02:48:45,000 WOULD BE WRONG. 4843 02:48:45,001 --> 02:48:49,000 I WILL TAKE THIS POSITION AND 4844 02:48:49,001 --> 02:48:52,000 HAVE THAT IF CORPORATION X, Y OR 4845 02:48:52,001 --> 02:48:54,000 Z CAN DEDUCT A PREMIUM FOR A 4846 02:48:54,001 --> 02:48:55,000 CADILLAC PLAN OR AVERAGE RUN OF 4847 02:48:55,001 --> 02:48:58,000 THE MILL HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, 4848 02:48:58,001 --> 02:49:02,000 IF THEY CAN DEDUCT 100% OF THAT 4849 02:49:02,001 --> 02:49:05,000 INSURANCE PLAN SO SHOULD JOE THE 4850 02:49:05,001 --> 02:49:06,000 PLUMEROR JOHN AND MARY THE GAS 4851 02:49:06,001 --> 02:49:09,000 STATION PEOPLE, ANYB 4852 02:49:09,001 --> 02:49:12,000 THAT IS OUT THERE OR AN 4853 02:49:12,001 --> 02:49:14,000 INDIVIDUAL THAT IS WORKING FOR A 4854 02:49:14,001 --> 02:49:15,000 WAGE AND WANTS TO GO OUT IN THE 4855 02:49:15,001 --> 02:49:17,000 MARKET AND BUY THE 4856 02:49:17,001 --> 02:49:20,000 I BELIEVE THAT THAT PREMIUM 4857 02:49:20,001 --> 02:49:23,000 SHOULD BE 100% DEDUCTIBLE IF WE 4858 02:49:23,001 --> 02:49:24,000 DID THAT JUST SIMPLY PROVIDE 4859 02:49:24,001 --> 02:49:27,000 FULL DEDUCTIBILITY. 4860 02:49:27,001 --> 02:49:29,000 THAT WILL ENSURE ANOTHER MILLION 4861 02:49:29,001 --> 02:49:31,000 AMERICANS AND THAT GIVES US 4862 02:49:31,001 --> 02:49:33,000 EQUITY IN THIS DEDUCTIBILITY. 4863 02:49:33,001 --> 02:49:36,000 I TALKED ABOUT H.S.A. EXPANSION. 4864 02:49:36,001 --> 02:49:37,000 WE ALSO NEED TRANSPARENCY IN 4865 02:49:37,001 --> 02:49:38,000 BILLING. 4866 02:49:38,001 --> 02:49:40,000 WE HAVE TODAY COST SHIFTING 4867 02:49:40,001 --> 02:49:41,000 GOING ON IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE 4868 02:49:41,001 --> 02:49:42,000 INDUSTRY AND HEALTH CARE 4869 02:49:42,001 --> 02:49:44,000 INDUSTRY. 4870 02:49:44,001 --> 02:49:45,000 AND WHEN YOU HAVE MEDICARE 4871 02:49:45,001 --> 02:49:47,000 REIM 4872 02:49:47,001 --> 02:49:49,000 IN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS AT THE 4873 02:49:49,001 --> 02:49:50,000 COST OF DELIVERING THAT SERVICE, 4874 02:49:50,001 --> 02:49:52,000 THE COST OF DELIVERING THE 4875 02:49:52,001 --> 02:49:53,000 SERVICE AT A MINIMUM ALONG WITH 4876 02:49:53,001 --> 02:49:56,000 SOME PROFIT MARGIN, WHICH IS A 4877 02:49:56,001 --> 02:50:02,000 GOOD THING, IS AN INCENTIVE 4878 02:50:02,001 --> 02:50:03,000 FOREVER PEOPLE TO DO A GOOD 4879 02:50:03,001 --> 02:50:05,000 THING. 4880 02:50:05,001 --> 02:50:07,000 BUT THE COST SHIFTING TAKES 4881 02:50:07,001 --> 02:50:09,000 PLACE WHEN MEDICARE DOESN'T PAY 4882 02:50:09,001 --> 02:50:13,000 IT ALL AND GOES ON TO SOME OTHER 4883 02:50:13,001 --> 02:50:15,000 ENTITY WHETHER IT BE A PRIVATE 4884 02:50:15,001 --> 02:50:19,000 HEALTH INSURANCE PROVIDER OR AN 4885 02:50:19,001 --> 02:50:20,000 INDIVIDUAL THAT IS - WE NEED 4886 02:50:20,001 --> 02:50:21,000 TRANSPARENCY. 4887 02:50:21,001 --> 02:50:23,000 WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A 4888 02:50:23,001 --> 02:50:26,000 LOOK AT THESE BILLINGS AND I'M 4889 02:50:26,001 --> 02:50:27,000 NOT INTERESTED IN THE NAMES OF 4890 02:50:27,001 --> 02:50:29,000 THE PATIENTS BUT I'M INTERESTED 4891 02:50:29,001 --> 02:50:30,000 IN THE NAMES OF THE 4892 02:50:30,001 --> 02:50:35,000 INSTITUTIONS. 4893 02:50:35,001 --> 02:50:36,000 AND THE CONSISTENTY OR LACK OF 4894 02:50:36,001 --> 02:50:40,000 CONSISTENCY. 4895 02:50:40,001 --> 02:50:41,000 IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET A HIP 4896 02:50:41,001 --> 02:50:44,000 REPLACEMENT IN SAN FRANCISCO, 4897 02:50:44,001 --> 02:50:46,000 THOSE PEOPLE THAT GET THAT HIP 4898 02:50:46,001 --> 02:50:48,000 REPLACEMENT SHOULD PAY THE SAME 4899 02:50:48,001 --> 02:50:52,000 PRICE AND SHOULD BE BILED THE 4900 02:50:52,001 --> 02:50:53,000 SAME PRICE AND SHOULD BE A 4901 02:50:53,001 --> 02:50:54,000 LEGITIMATE ATTEMPT TO PAY THE 4902 02:50:54,001 --> 02:50:58,000 SAME PRICE. 4903 02:50:58,001 --> 02:51:01,000 IF BILL GATES GOES IN AND STEVE 4904 02:51:01,001 --> 02:51:03,000 KING AND JOE THE PLUMBER, IT'S 4905 02:51:03,001 --> 02:51:05,000 ALL THE SAME PROCEDURES FROM ALL 4906 02:51:05,001 --> 02:51:06,000 THE SAME PROVIDERS, IT OUGHT TO 4907 02:51:06,001 --> 02:51:08,000 BE THE SAME BILL. 4908 02:51:08,001 --> 02:51:10,000 IF WE DID 4909 02:51:10,001 --> 02:51:11,000 TRANSPARENCY, THAT WILL BRIN 4910 02:51:11,001 --> 02:51:13,000 TOGETHER AND REDUCE THE 4911 02:51:13,001 --> 02:51:14,000 SHIFTING BECAUSE THE AMERICAN 4912 02:51:14,001 --> 02:51:16,000 PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE 4913 02:51:16,001 --> 02:51:18,000 TO GO SHOPPING AND HAVE TO 4914 02:51:18,001 --> 02:51:20,000 GOISHT AND HAVE TO ADVOCATE AND 4915 02:51:20,001 --> 02:51:21,000 IF THEY HAVE THEIR HEALTH 4916 02:51:21,001 --> 02:51:23,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNTHAT THEY ARE 4917 02:51:23,001 --> 02:51:26,000 MANAGING, THEY WILL HAVE AN 4918 02:51:26,001 --> 02:51:28,000 INCENTIVE TO GOISHT FOR A HE 4919 02:51:28,001 --> 02:51:29,000 CARE COST AND OUTCOME THAT IS 4920 02:51:29,001 --> 02:51:31,000 FAVORABLE TO THEM. 4921 02:51:31,001 --> 02:51:34,000 INSTEAD, WE ARE PATIENTS IN AMERICA. 4922 02:51:34,001 --> 02:51:36,000 WE ARE A LIKE LIKE SHEEP. 4923 02:51:36,001 --> 02:51:40,000 WE GET LED INTO HEAL 4924 02:51:40,001 --> 02:51:41,000 TIME, THE PATIENT IN AMERICA 4925 02:51:41,001 --> 02:51:42,000 DOESN'T PAY THE BILL AND NOT 4926 02:51:42,001 --> 02:51:45,000 CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST. 4927 02:51:45,001 --> 02:51:47,000 THEY SHOW UP AT THE CLINIC AND 4928 02:51:47,001 --> 02:51:49,000 THE DOCTOR EXAMINES THEM AND 4929 02:51:49,001 --> 02:51:51,000 SAYS YOU NEED TO GO TO A 4930 02:51:51,001 --> 02:51:52,000 SPECIALIST AND RUN TH 4931 02:51:52,001 --> 02:51:55,000 SHOW UP AT THE HOSPITAL, THE 4932 02:51:55,001 --> 02:51:56,000 SURGERY IS PERFORMED, IF THAT 4933 02:51:56,001 --> 02:52:02,000 HAPPENS TO BE WHAT IS ORDERED 4934 02:52:02,001 --> 02:52:04,000 AND THEY GENERALLY HEAL UP, GET 4935 02:52:04,001 --> 02:52:06,000 GREAT CARE, SOME DON'T ADDRESS 4936 02:52:06,001 --> 02:52:08,000 THE BILL, BUT THEY KNOW SOMEONE 4937 02:52:08,001 --> 02:52:09,000 ELSE IS PAYING THE BILL AND NOT 4938 02:52:09,001 --> 02:52:11,000 CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERALL COST 4939 02:52:11,001 --> 02:52:14,000 OF THEIR HEALTH CARE. 4940 02:52:14,001 --> 02:52:16,000 IF AN ASPIRIN COSTS 20 BUCKS, 4941 02:52:16,001 --> 02:52:18,000 THEY AREN'T GOING TO RAISE THE ISSUE. 4942 02:52:18,001 --> 02:52:21,000 IF THEY ARE NEGOTIATIN 4943 02:52:21,001 --> 02:52:22,000 TRYING TO HOLD THE NEST E 4944 02:52:22,001 --> 02:52:24,000 THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, 4945 02:52:24,001 --> 02:52:26,000 THEN THEY WILL LOK AT THE COSTS 4946 02:52:26,001 --> 02:52:27,000 AND LOOK AT THE TRANSPARENCY IN 4947 02:52:27,001 --> 02:52:29,000 BILLING AND JUST THE 4948 02:52:29,001 --> 02:52:31,000 TRANSPARENCY IT CIVIL WILL BE A 4949 02:52:31,001 --> 02:52:33,000 RESTRAINT FROM THE COST SHIFTING 4950 02:52:33,001 --> 02:52:37,000 AND THE COST SHIFTING IS KIND OF 4951 02:52:37,001 --> 02:52:39,000 A BIG, NOT MUCH SPOKEN PROBLEM 4952 02:52:39,001 --> 02:52:42,000 THAT WE HAVE WITH HEALTH CARE IN AMERICA. 4953 02:52:42,001 --> 02:52:43,000 WE ARE ALSO FOR ASSOCIATION 4954 02:52:43,001 --> 02:52:45,000 HEALTH CARE PLANS. 4955 02:52:45,001 --> 02:52:48,000 AND THIS IS REPUBLICANS. 4956 02:52:48,001 --> 02:52:50,000 MOVED ALSO THROUGH THIS CONGRESS 4957 02:52:50,001 --> 02:52:51,000 THAT WAS BLOCKED BY DEMOCRATS 4958 02:52:51,001 --> 02:52:54,000 THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE OR 4959 02:52:54,001 --> 02:52:56,000 PROFESSIONS TO JOIN TOGETHER AND 4960 02:52:56,001 --> 02:52:58,000 BARGAIN AND NEGOTIATE AND BUY 4961 02:52:58,001 --> 02:52:59,000 INSURANCE PACKAGES WITHIN THEIR 4962 02:52:59,001 --> 02:53:02,000 PROFESSIONS. 4963 02:53:02,001 --> 02:53:06,000 LET'S SAY THE PLUMMERS GET 4964 02:53:06,001 --> 02:53:08,000 CREDIT UNIONS EXIST AND THEY 4965 02:53:08,001 --> 02:53:11,000 HAVE A MEMBERSHIP THAT EXISTS, 4966 02:53:11,001 --> 02:53:13,000 WE CAN LET PEOPLE BUY HEALTH 4967 02:53:13,001 --> 02:53:14,000 INSURANCE BY ASSOCIATING AND 4968 02:53:14,001 --> 02:53:15,000 BUYING HEALTH INSURANCE. 4969 02:53:15,001 --> 02:53:17,000 AND A PIECE OF THIS THAT I 4970 02:53:17,001 --> 02:53:20,000 BRIEFLY MENTIONED THAT NEEDS T 4971 02:53:20,001 --> 02:53:22,000 BE STRONGLY SUSTAINED IN THIS 4972 02:53:22,001 --> 02:53:25,000 HEALTH INSURANCE DEBATE 4973 02:53:25,001 --> 02:53:27,000 CATASTROPHIC INSURANCE. 4974 02:53:27,001 --> 02:53:29,000 CATASTROPHIC 4975 02:53:29,001 --> 02:53:31,000 INSURANCE THAT AS OUR HEALTH 4976 02:53:31,001 --> 02:53:35,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNTS GROW, WE END 4977 02:53:35,001 --> 02:53:36,000 WITH A NEST EG, I GAVE YOU A 4978 02:53:36,001 --> 02:53:40,000 DESCRIPTION, MR. SPEAKER OF HOW 4979 02:53:40,001 --> 02:53:41,000 A YOUNG COUPLE ARRIVES AT 4980 02:53:41,001 --> 02:53:42,000 $950,000 AT THE AGE OF 4981 02:53:42,001 --> 02:53:45,000 RETIREMENT. 4982 02:53:45,001 --> 02:53:50,000 LET'S MANAGE THIS IN TERMS OF 4983 02:53:50,001 --> 02:53:51,000 $5,000, $10,000, $20,000 IN AN 4984 02:53:51,001 --> 02:53:53,000 H.S.A. 4985 02:53:53,001 --> 02:53:55,000 IF I'M A YOUNG FAMILY AND I 4986 02:53:55,001 --> 02:53:57,000 HAPPEN TO HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR 4987 02:53:57,001 --> 02:53:59,000 FIVE YEARS AND BEEN ABLE 4988 02:53:59,001 --> 02:54:01,000 ACCUMLUATE $20,000 IN MY HEALTH 4989 02:54:01,001 --> 02:54:02,000 SAVINGS ACCOUNT, I'M PRETTY 4990 02:54:02,001 --> 02:54:05,000 COMFORTABLE TO NEGOTIATE THE 4991 02:54:05,001 --> 02:54:10,000 LOWER PREMIUM WITH A $5,000 4992 02:54:10,001 --> 02:54:13,000 DEDUCTIBLE OR EVEN A $10,000, 4993 02:54:13,001 --> 02:54:16,000 $15,000 OR $20,000 DEDUCTIBLE. 4994 02:54:16,001 --> 02:54:17,000 THAT TAKES THE PREMIUMS DOWN 4995 02:54:17,001 --> 02:54:19,000 DRAMATICALLY AND PROVIDES 4996 02:54:19,001 --> 02:54:22,000 INCENTIVE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TO 4997 02:54:22,001 --> 02:54:23,000 PAY OUT OF POCKET OR OUT OF THE 4998 02:54:23,001 --> 02:54:26,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACOUNT. 4999 02:54:26,001 --> 02:54:27,000 BUT TO KEP THAT NEST EGG IN 5000 02:54:27,001 --> 02:54:29,000 TACT. 5001 02:54:29,001 --> 02:54:31,000 BUT INSTEAD OF PAYING THAT 5002 02:54:31,001 --> 02:54:33,000 HIGHER PREMIUM, BY THE WAY, IF 5003 02:54:33,001 --> 02:54:36,000 YOU ARE 40 IN A FAMILY OF FOUR 5004 02:54:36,001 --> 02:54:38,000 IN INDIANAPOLIS, 5005 02:54:38,001 --> 02:54:41,000 THAT FAMILY WOULD TODAY BE 5006 02:54:41,001 --> 02:54:42,000 PAYING $535 A 5007 02:54:42,001 --> 02:54:44,000 HEALTH INSURANCE. 5008 02:54:44,001 --> 02:54:46,000 NOW IF YOU CAN RAISE THAT 5009 02:54:46,001 --> 02:54:48,000 DEDUCTIBLE AND RAISE T 5010 02:54:48,001 --> 02:54:49,000 CO-PAYMENT COMPONENT OF IT, THEN 5011 02:54:49,001 --> 02:54:51,000 THAT PREMIUM WOULD GO DOWN AND 5012 02:54:51,001 --> 02:54:55,000 THE SAVINGS WOULD BE SOMETHING 5013 02:54:55,001 --> 02:54:57,000 THAT GOES BACK INTO AND AT 5014 02:54:57,001 --> 02:54:59,000 FIGURATIVELY, IF NOT LITERALLY, 5015 02:54:59,001 --> 02:55:02,000 INTO THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACOUNT, 5016 02:55:02,001 --> 02:55:04,000 THE INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO 5017 02:55:04,001 --> 02:55:06,000 PREMIUMS AND THE INCENTIVE TO 5018 02:55:06,001 --> 02:55:08,000 GROW THE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT 5019 02:55:08,001 --> 02:55:09,000 NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED, NOT 5020 02:55:09,001 --> 02:55:11,000 ELIMINATED. 5021 02:55:11,001 --> 02:55:13,000 BUT I HAVEN'T MET ANYONE WHO CAN 5022 02:55:13,001 --> 02:55:17,000 POINT TO THIS HEALTH CARE BILL, 5023 02:55:17,001 --> 02:55:19,000 THIS 1,90-PAGE BILL THAT CAN 5024 02:55:19,001 --> 02:55:21,000 TELL ME THAT HEALTH SAVINGS 5025 02:55:21,001 --> 02:55:25,000 ACCOUNTS CAN EVEN SURVIVE THIS 5026 02:55:25,001 --> 02:55:28,000 BILL IN ITSELF. 5027 02:55:28,001 --> 02:55:29,000 THROUGH HERE REPUBLICAN 5028 02:55:29,001 --> 02:55:30,000 SOLUTIONS, STEVE KING SOLUTIONS 5029 02:55:30,001 --> 02:55:33,000 FOR HEALTH CARE. 5030 02:55:33,001 --> 02:55:35,000 SOME OF THESE WE PASSED OUT O THIS HOUSE. 5031 02:55:35,001 --> 02:55:36,000 IT IS FALSE TO SAY REPUBLICANS 5032 02:55:36,001 --> 02:55:38,000 HAVE DONE NOTHING. 5033 02:55:38,001 --> 02:55:40,000 THRECORD IS REPLETE WITH 5034 02:55:40,001 --> 02:55:42,000 LEGISLATION THAT HAS PASSED THE 5035 02:55:42,001 --> 02:55:45,000 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND LEGISLATION THAT HAS BEEN 5036 02:55:45,001 --> 02:55:46,000 INTRODUCED INTO THE HOUSE OF 5037 02:55:46,001 --> 02:55:51,000 REPRESENTATIVES AT LEAST 42 5038 02:55:51,001 --> 02:55:52,000 BLOCKED BY DEMOCRATS, AULT 5039 02:55:52,001 --> 02:55:53,000 BLOCKED BY THE SPEAKER OF THE 5040 02:55:53,001 --> 02:55:55,000 HOUSE. 5041 02:55:55,001 --> 02:55:57,000 THESE LOGICAL SOLUTIONS THAT I 5042 02:55:57,001 --> 02:56:00,000 HAVE LISTED, INCLUDING ENDINGS 5043 02:56:00,001 --> 02:56:01,000 LAWSUIT ABUSE, BUYING INSURANCE 5044 02:56:01,001 --> 02:56:03,000 ACROSS STATE 5045 02:56:03,001 --> 02:56:05,000 FOR PORTABILITY, 10% 5046 02:56:05,001 --> 02:56:06,000 DEDUCTIBILITY OF HEALTH 5047 02:56:06,001 --> 02:56:08,000 INSURANCE PREMIUMS EXPANDING 5048 02:56:08,001 --> 02:56:09,000 HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, 5049 02:56:09,001 --> 02:56:11,000 PROVIDING FOR TRANSPARENCY IN 5050 02:56:11,001 --> 02:56:13,000 BILLING, PROVIDING FOR 5051 02:56:13,001 --> 02:56:15,000 ASSOCIATION HEALTH CARE PLANS 5052 02:56:15,001 --> 02:56:17,000 AND PROTECTIN 5053 02:56:17,001 --> 02:56:18,000 INSURANCE, ALL OF THOSE ARE 5054 02:56:18,001 --> 02:56:20,000 REPUBLICAN PRINCIPLES, MANY OF 5055 02:56:20,001 --> 02:56:21,000 THOSE HAVE BEEN BLOCKED BY THIS 5056 02:56:21,001 --> 02:56:23,000 DEMOCRAT CONGRESS. 5057 02:56:23,001 --> 02:56:25,000 AND I THINK IT IS NOT A QUESTION 5058 02:56:25,001 --> 02:56:27,000 OF WHETHER REPUBLICANS HAD IDEAS. 5059 02:56:27,001 --> 02:56:29,000 WE HAVE ALL KIND 5060 02:56:29,001 --> 02:56:30,000 WE HAVE MOVED SOME OF THEM, 5061 02:56:30,001 --> 02:56:31,000 DEMOCRATS HAVE BLOCKED ALL OF 5062 02:56:31,001 --> 02:56:34,000 THEM. 5063 02:56:34,001 --> 02:56:36,000 AND NOW WE'RE IN A SIT 5064 02:56:36,001 --> 02:56:38,000 WELL WHY DID THEY DO THAT? 5065 02:56:38,001 --> 02:56:40,000 WHY DID THEY BLOCK 5066 02:56:40,001 --> 02:56:41,000 FREEDOM-LOVING SOLUTIONS TO 5067 02:56:41,001 --> 02:56:43,000 HEALTH CARE? 5068 02:56:43,001 --> 02:56:46,000 BECAUSE THEIR CROWN JEWEL 5069 02:56:46,001 --> 02:56:49,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, 5070 02:56:49,001 --> 02:56:52,000 OF SOCIALIZED MEDICINE THAT TOOK 5071 02:56:52,001 --> 02:56:54,000 MONTHS TO LEVERAGE AND ARM TWIST 5072 02:56:54,001 --> 02:56:57,000 TO GET JUST BARELY ENOUGH VOTES 5073 02:56:57,001 --> 02:56:59,000 TO SQUEAK BY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. 5074 02:56:59,001 --> 02:57:04,000 THOSE ARE THE FACTS. 5075 02:57:04,001 --> 02:57:07,000 . 5076 02:57:07,001 --> 02:57:08,000 AND THIS BILL PROVIDES SOME 5077 02:57:08,001 --> 02:57:11,000 ALLY UGLY THINGS AT HAPPEN 5078 02:57:11,001 --> 02:57:12,000 TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 5079 02:57:12,001 --> 02:57:13,000 FOR EXAMPLE, HERE'S SOME REAL 5080 02:57:13,001 --> 02:57:17,000 NUMBER, MR. SPEAKER. 5081 02:57:17,001 --> 02:57:19,000 A H 5082 02:57:19,001 --> 02:57:23,000 INDIANAPOLIS TODAY WOULD PAY 5083 02:57:23,001 --> 02:57:25,000 ABOUT $ 2,500 FOR A HEALTH 5084 02:57:25,001 --> 02:57:30,000 INSURANCE PLAN, UNDER THE BILL, 5085 02:57:30,001 --> 02:57:32,000 THE -- WOULD PAY ABOUT $25 FOR 5086 02:57:32,001 --> 02:57:37,000 A HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, UNDER 5087 02:57:37,001 --> 02:57:39,000 THE BILL, IT WOULD GO TO $252. 5088 02:57:39,001 --> 02:57:40,000 TRIPLES THE PREMIUM FOR THAT 5089 02:57:40,001 --> 02:57:43,000 YOUNG MAN. 5090 02:57:43,001 --> 02:57:45,000 WHY WOULD WE TRIPLE THE 5091 02:57:45,001 --> 02:57:47,000 FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS LITTLE 5092 02:57:47,001 --> 02:57:49,000 RISK OR LIABILITY D 5093 02:57:49,001 --> 02:57:51,000 RAISING COSTS ON THE PEOPLE AT 5094 02:57:51,001 --> 02:57:52,000 THE HEST LEVEL OF INCOME. 5095 02:57:52,001 --> 02:57:55,000 YOU GO TO THE'RE END OF THIS, 5096 02:57:55,001 --> 02:57:58,000 TAKE A TUPPLE -- A COUPLE 5097 02:57:58,001 --> 02:58:00,000 THAT'S 60 YEARS OLD 5098 02:58:00,001 --> 02:58:01,000 MARGINAL HEALTH A LESS HEALTHY 5099 02:58:01,001 --> 02:58:06,000 CUP UNTIL INDIANAPOLIS TODAY 5100 02:58:06,001 --> 02:58:07,000 WOULD BE PAYING ABOUT $1,169 A 5101 02:58:07,001 --> 02:58:10,000 MONTH FOR THE SIMILAR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN. 5102 02:58:10,001 --> 02:58:11,000 THAT ADDS UP PRETTY GOOD OVER A 5103 02:58:11,001 --> 02:58:14,000 YEAR. 5104 02:58:14,001 --> 02:58:16,000 AND THEIR PREEM UM -- PREMIUM 5105 02:58:16,001 --> 02:58:21,000 UNDER THIS BILL WOULD BE 5106 02:58:21,001 --> 02:58:22,000 REDUCED ABOUT 11%, DOWN TO $1,043. 5107 02:58:22,001 --> 02:58:25,000 MAYBE IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO 5108 02:58:25,001 --> 02:58:27,000 THAT OLDER CUP. 5109 02:58:27,001 --> 02:58:29,000 PRESUMABLY, SOMEONE AT AGE 60 5110 02:58:29,001 --> 02:58:32,000 WILL BE MAKING MORE MONEY THAN 5111 02:58:32,001 --> 02:58:34,000 THEY DID AT 25, MORE THAN THAT 5112 02:58:34,001 --> 02:58:38,000 25-YEAR-OLD WHO SEES THEIR 5113 02:58:38,001 --> 02:58:43,000 PREMIUMS TRIPLED SO WE CAN 5114 02:58:43,001 --> 02:58:45,000 REDUCE THE 60-YEAR-OLDS' 5115 02:58:45,001 --> 02:58:48,000 REDUCED BY 11%. 5116 02:58:48,001 --> 02:58:51,000 AND THE FAMILY OF FOUR, MOM AND 5117 02:58:51,001 --> 02:58:53,000 DAD AROUND 40 YEARS OLD, PAYING 5118 02:58:53,001 --> 02:58:55,000 ABOUT $585 TODAY IN 5119 02:58:55,001 --> 02:59:03,000 INDIANAPOLIS, WOULD BE PAYING 5120 02:59:03,001 --> 02:59:04,000 $1,171 A YEAR, 5121 02:59:04,001 --> 02:59:05,000 MR. SPEAKER. 5122 02:59:05,001 --> 02:59:06,000 THESE ARE BAD THINGS FOR 5123 02:59:06,001 --> 02:59:08,000 AMERICA AND I'M GOING TO GO 5124 02:59:08,001 --> 02:59:10,000 THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THIS. 5125 02:59:10,001 --> 02:59:11,000 PRINCIPLES THAT 5126 02:59:11,001 --> 02:59:19,000 HAVE BEEN LAID OUT BY THE 5127 02:59:19,001 --> 02:59:22,000 PRESIDENT. 5128 02:59:22,001 --> 02:59:24,000 HE ARGUES THE ECONOMY HAS BEEN 5129 02:59:24,001 --> 02:59:29,000 AND REMAINS, HE WOULD ARGUE 5130 02:59:29,001 --> 02:59:32,000 THAT IT'S STABLED SOME -- 5131 02:59:32,001 --> 02:59:33,000 SOMEWHAT, HAS BEEN IN AN -- A 5132 02:59:33,001 --> 02:59:35,000 DOWNWARD SPIRAL HE SAID WE 5133 02:59:35,001 --> 02:59:36,000 CAN'T FIX THE ECONOMY UNLESS WE 5134 02:59:36,001 --> 02:59:37,000 FIX HEALTH CARE. 5135 02:59:37,001 --> 02:59:39,000 ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT? 5136 02:59:39,001 --> 02:59:40,000 CAN'T FIX THE ECONOMY U 5137 02:59:40,001 --> 02:59:41,000 FIRST FIX HEALTH CARE. 5138 02:59:41,001 --> 02:59:42,000 WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH HEALTH 5139 02:59:42,001 --> 02:59:43,000 CARE? TWO THINGS. 5140 02:59:43,001 --> 02:59:45,000 ACCORDING TO THE PRESIDENT, WE 5141 02:59:45,001 --> 02:59:48,000 SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY, AND WE 5142 02:59:48,001 --> 02:59:50,000 HAVE TOO MANY UNINSURED. 5143 02:59:50,001 --> 02:59:52,000 NOW, WE SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY IS 5144 02:59:52,001 --> 02:59:54,000 THE ALLEGATION BECAUSE IT'S 5145 02:59:54,001 --> 02:59:57,000 BEING POINTED OUT THAT A LOT OF 5146 02:59:57,001 --> 03:00:01,000 THE TRIL 5147 03:00:01,001 --> 03:00:04,000 WORLD SPENDS ABOUT 9357B9% ON 5148 03:00:04,001 --> 03:00:05,000 HEALTH CARE, WE'LL SPEND 14.5%, 5149 03:00:05,001 --> 03:00:07,000 SOME WOULD SAY 16% OR MORE. 5150 03:00:07,001 --> 03:00:08,000 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 14.5% 5151 03:00:08,001 --> 03:00:11,000 NUMBER. 5152 03:00:11,001 --> 03:00:13,000 I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE THAT WE 5153 03:00:13,001 --> 03:00:16,000 DO NOT SPEND TOO MUCH ON HEALTH CARE. 5154 03:00:16,001 --> 03:00:18,000 I THINK THAT WE SPEND SOMEWHERE 5155 03:00:18,001 --> 03:00:20,000 AROUND $203 BILLION 5156 03:00:20,001 --> 03:00:21,000 UNNECESSARILY WHEN IT COMES TO 5157 03:00:21,001 --> 03:00:22,000 LAWSUIT ABUSE. 5158 03:00:22,001 --> 03:00:24,000 IN AMERICA. 5159 03:00:24,001 --> 03:00:26,000 SO THAT'S A NUMBER THAT I WOULD 5160 03:00:26,001 --> 03:00:28,000 SUBTRACT A LARGE SHARE OF THAT 5161 03:00:28,001 --> 03:00:30,000 FROM THE COST OF OVERALL HEALTH 5162 03:00:30,001 --> 03:00:32,000 CARE BEFORE I GET DOWN TO WE'RE 5163 03:00:32,001 --> 03:00:34,000 NOT SPENDING TOO MUCH. 5164 03:00:34,001 --> 03:00:37,000 BUT WE ALSO MAKE MORE THAN MOST 5165 03:00:37,001 --> 03:00:38,000 OF THOSE COUNTRIES SPENDING 5166 03:00:38,001 --> 03:00:39,000 9.5%. 5167 03:00:39,001 --> 03:00:41,000 WE HAVE THE BEST HEALTH 5168 03:00:41,001 --> 03:00:43,000 INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN AMERICA 5169 03:00:43,001 --> 03:00:44,000 AND -- THE BEST HEALTH 5170 03:00:44,001 --> 03:00:46,000 INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD 5171 03:00:46,001 --> 03:00:47,000 AND WE HAVE THE BEST HEALTH 5172 03:00:47,001 --> 03:00:49,000 CARE DELIVERY SYSTEM IN THE 5173 03:00:49,001 --> 03:00:51,000 WORLD WITH THE BEST INDIVIDUAL 5174 03:00:51,001 --> 03:00:53,000 OUTCOMES FOR PRACTICES IN THE 5175 03:00:53,001 --> 03:00:56,000 WORLD AND THEY'LL ARGUE THAT 5176 03:00:56,001 --> 03:00:58,000 THERE ARE CIVILIZATIONS WHERE 5177 03:00:58,001 --> 03:01:00,000 SOCIETIES, COUNTRIES, CULTURES, 5178 03:01:00,001 --> 03:01:02,000 WITH POLICIES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE 5179 03:01:02,001 --> 03:01:03,000 LONGER THAN THEY DO IN THE 5180 03:01:03,001 --> 03:01:05,000 UNITED STATES. 5181 03:01:05,001 --> 03:01:06,000 THEY DON'T SEEM TO WANT TO DIG 5182 03:01:06,001 --> 03:01:08,000 DOWN AND ASK WHY. 5183 03:01:08,001 --> 03:01:11,000 FIRST, JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS 5184 03:01:11,001 --> 03:01:12,000 AGO WE GOT THE ANNOUNCEMENT 5185 03:01:12,001 --> 03:01:15,000 THAT THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF 5186 03:01:15,001 --> 03:01:16,000 AMERICANS HAD BEEN READJUSTED 5187 03:01:16,001 --> 03:01:17,000 UPWARDS TWO YEARS. 5188 03:01:17,001 --> 03:01:18,000 TWO YEARS. 5189 03:01:18,001 --> 03:01:20,000 NOW THE NUMBERS BEING QUOTED BY 5190 03:01:20,001 --> 03:01:22,000 THE OTHER SIDE, BY 5191 03:01:22,001 --> 03:01:25,000 DEMOCRATS HERE THAT ARE PUSHING 5192 03:01:25,001 --> 03:01:27,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, THEY DON'T 5193 03:01:27,001 --> 03:01:28,000 TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT 5194 03:01:28,001 --> 03:01:29,000 ADJUSTMENT IN THE EXTE 5195 03:01:29,001 --> 03:01:33,000 THE LIFE EXPECTANCY. 5196 03:01:33,001 --> 03:01:35,000 THEY WILL ARGUE THAT WE HAVE - 5197 03:01:35,001 --> 03:01:37,000 OUR INFANT MORTALITY RATES ARE 5198 03:01:37,001 --> 03:01:39,000 HIGHER THAN A LOT OF THE REST 5199 03:01:39,001 --> 03:01:41,000 OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD. 5200 03:01:41,001 --> 03:01:42,000 I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE COUNT THE 5201 03:01:42,001 --> 03:01:44,000 BABIES THAT DIE. 5202 03:01:44,001 --> 03:01:46,000 WE HAVE A MORE ACCURATE DATA 5203 03:01:46,001 --> 03:01:49,000 SYST 5204 03:01:49,001 --> 03:01:51,000 THAN MOST, NOT ALL OF THE OTHER 5205 03:01:51,001 --> 03:01:52,000 COUNTRY, SO OUR INFANT 5206 03:01:52,001 --> 03:01:54,000 MORTALITY IS GOING TO BE HIGHER 5207 03:01:54,001 --> 03:01:56,000 THAN IT IS IN COUNTRIES THAT 5208 03:01:56,001 --> 03:01:57,000 DON'T RECORD INFANT DEATHS. 5209 03:01:57,001 --> 03:01:58,000 THESE ARE NOT MEASURES OF THE 5210 03:01:58,001 --> 03:02:00,000 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM UNLESS YOU 5211 03:02:00,001 --> 03:02:02,000 DRILL DOWN INTO IT 5212 03:02:02,001 --> 03:02:04,000 WITH A REASON AS TO, IF THERE'S 5213 03:02:04,001 --> 03:02:06,000 A SOCIETY WHO LIVES LONGER, WHO 5214 03:02:06,001 --> 03:02:09,000 ARE THEY AND WHY? 5215 03:02:09,001 --> 03:02:12,000 DO THEY ABUSE SUBSTANCES LESS? 5216 03:02:12,001 --> 03:02:14,000 WHEN YOU SUBTRACT FATALITIES 5217 03:02:14,001 --> 03:02:16,000 FROM CAR ACCIDENTS, SUICIDES 5218 03:02:16,001 --> 03:02:18,000 PERHAPS, AND THOSE THAT DIE IN 5219 03:02:18,001 --> 03:02:20,000 OTHER KINDS OF ACCIDENTS, ARE 5220 03:02:20,001 --> 03:02:22,000 WE A MORE ACTIVE SOCIETY? 5221 03:02:22,001 --> 03:02:23,000 ONCE WE MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, 5222 03:02:23,001 --> 03:02:25,000 I DON'T BELIEVE IT HOLDS THAT 5223 03:02:25,001 --> 03:02:27,000 AMERICANS DON'T HAVE THE KIND 5224 03:02:27,001 --> 03:02:28,000 OF LIFE EXPECTANCY THAT 5225 03:02:28,001 --> 03:02:29,000 COMPETES WITH ANY COUNTRY IN 5226 03:02:29,001 --> 03:02:30,000 THE WORLD. 5227 03:02:30,001 --> 03:02:31,000 I BELIEVE WE DO. 5228 03:02:31,001 --> 03:02:32,000 I BELIEVE WE HAVE, AGAIN, THE 5229 03:02:32,001 --> 03:02:34,000 BEST HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY 5230 03:02:34,001 --> 03:02:35,000 IN THE WORLD AND THE BEST 5231 03:02:35,001 --> 03:02:39,000 HEALTHARE DELIVERY SYSTEM IN 5232 03:02:39,001 --> 03:02:41,000 THE WORLD BUT THERESIDENT HAS 5233 03:02:41,001 --> 03:02:43,000 -- HAS BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF 5234 03:02:43,001 --> 03:02:45,000 OUR COSTS AND OUR UNINSURED. 5235 03:02:45,001 --> 03:02:47,000 SO ASIDE FROM THE COSTS, THE 5236 03:02:47,001 --> 03:02:53,000 OTHER POINT IS, TOO MANY 5237 03:02:53,001 --> 03:02:54,000 THE UNINSURED IN AMERICA ARE 5238 03:02:54,001 --> 03:02:57,000 ARE IN THIS CHART. 5239 03:02:57,001 --> 03:02:58,000 IT COMES OUT TO BE THERE. 5240 03:02:58,001 --> 03:02:59,000 -- TO BE THIS. 5241 03:02:59,001 --> 03:03:03,000 THEIR NUMBER IS 47 MILLION 5242 03:03:03,001 --> 03:03:04,000 THAT NUMBER, IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT. 5243 03:03:04,001 --> 03:03:07,000 AND WE HAVE TO ASK THE 5244 03:03:07,001 --> 03:03:11,000 QUESTION, WHO ARE THESE 47 MILLION? 5245 03:03:11,001 --> 03:03:15,000 WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT DOES 5246 03:03:15,001 --> 03:03:17,000 INCLUDE 9.7 MILLION WHO QUALIFY 5247 03:03:17,001 --> 03:03:19,000 FOR A GOVERNMENT HEALTH 5248 03:03:19,001 --> 03:03:20,000 INSURANCE PROGRAM, MOSTLY 5249 03:03:20,001 --> 03:03:22,000 MEDICAID, BUT DON'T BOSTONNER 5250 03:03:22,001 --> 03:03:23,000 TO SIGN UP. 5251 03:03:23,001 --> 03:03:25,000 9.7 MILLION. 5252 03:03:25,001 --> 03:03:26,000 SECOND NUMBER OUT THERE, THOSE 5253 03:03:26,001 --> 03:03:27,000 THAT QUALIFY FOR AN 5254 03:03:27,001 --> 03:03:29,000 EMPLOYER-BASED PLAN, DON'T SIGN 5255 03:03:29,001 --> 03:03:31,000 UP THAT NUMBER, I BELIEVE, IS 5256 03:03:31,001 --> 03:03:35,000 SOMEWHERE AROUND SIX MILLION. 5257 03:03:35,001 --> 03:03:38,000 AND THOSE THAT ALSO ARE -- THEY 5258 03:03:38,001 --> 03:03:40,000 MAKE OVER $75,000 A YEAR, 5259 03:03:40,001 --> 03:03:41,000 THAT'S ANOTHER LARGE CHUNK, 5260 03:03:41,001 --> 03:03:43,000 AROUND SIX MILLION. 5261 03:03:43,001 --> 03:03:46,000 THOSE ELIGIBLE FOR GOVERNMENT 5262 03:03:46,001 --> 03:03:48,000 PROGRAMS, 9.7 MILLION, IT SAYS 5263 03:03:48,001 --> 03:03:51,000 10 MILLION HERE. 5264 03:03:51,001 --> 03:03:52,000 THOSE UNDOCUMENTED, 5265 03:03:52,001 --> 03:03:54,000 NONCITIZENS, ABOUT SIX MILLION 5266 03:03:54,001 --> 03:03:56,000 THERE'S ANOTHER FOUR MILLION 5267 03:03:56,001 --> 03:03:58,000 WHO ARE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS BUT 5268 03:03:58,001 --> 03:04:00,000 ARE BARRED BY LAW FROM 5269 03:04:00,001 --> 03:04:04,000 GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS SO 5270 03:04:04,001 --> 03:04:05,000 IMMIGRANTS ARE AROUND 10.1 5271 03:04:05,001 --> 03:04:07,000 MILLION. 5272 03:04:07,001 --> 03:04:09,000 23 YOU SUBTRACT THESE NUMBER, 5273 03:04:09,001 --> 03:04:11,000 ILLEGAL AIL GENERALS AND 5274 03:04:11,001 --> 03:04:13,000 IMMIGRANTS, FROM THE 47 MILLION. 5275 03:04:13,001 --> 03:04:15,000 THOSE WHO QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID, 5276 03:04:15,001 --> 03:04:16,000 THOSE WHO QUALIFY UNDER THEIR 5277 03:04:16,001 --> 03:04:20,000 EMPLOYER AND DON'T SIGN UP AND 5278 03:04:20,001 --> 03:04:21,000 THOSE WHO MAKE OVER $75,000 A 5279 03:04:21,001 --> 03:04:22,000 YEAR AND DON'T BOSTONNER TO BUY 5280 03:04:22,001 --> 03:04:24,000 A HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM, NOW 5281 03:04:24,001 --> 03:04:25,000 YOU'RE DOWN TO AMERICANS 5282 03:04:25,001 --> 03:04:27,000 WITHOUT INSURANCE WHO DO NOT 5283 03:04:27,001 --> 03:04:30,000 HAVE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS, MR. SPEAKER. 5284 03:04:30,001 --> 03:04:33,000 THAT'S 12.1 MILLION RIGHT HERE. 5285 03:04:33,001 --> 03:04:35,000 I LIKED MY -- I LIKED MY OTHER 5286 03:04:35,001 --> 03:04:38,000 CHART BETTER, IT ACTUALLY -- 5287 03:04:38,001 --> 03:04:40,000 THE NUMBER IS 12.1 MILLION. 5288 03:04:40,001 --> 03:04:41,000 IT'S LESS THAN 4% OF THE 5289 03:04:41,001 --> 03:04:44,000 OVERALL POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES. 5290 03:04:44,001 --> 03:04:47,000 THIS IS HOW THIS BREAKS 5291 03:04:47,001 --> 03:04:50,000 THESE CATEGORIES IN THIS 5292 03:04:50,001 --> 03:04:52,000 YELLOW, 5293 03:04:52,001 --> 03:04:53,000 SEGMENT OF THE OVERALL 47 5294 03:04:53,001 --> 03:04:55,000 MILLION UNINSURED THAT DON'T 5295 03:04:55,001 --> 03:04:56,000 HAVE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS. 5296 03:04:56,001 --> 03:04:57,000 THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE, MR. 5297 03:04:57,001 --> 03:04:59,000 SPEAKER. 5298 03:04:59,001 --> 03:05:01,000 I WILL PUT THIS ON TH BROADER 5299 03:05:01,001 --> 03:05:14,000 CHART OF THE OVERALL AMERICAN 5300 03:05:14,001 --> 03:05:17,000 POPULATION. 5301 03:05:17,001 --> 03:05:18,000 THIS IS THE POPULATION OF THE 5302 03:05:18,001 --> 03:05:20,000 UNITED STATES AT ABOUT 306 5303 03:05:20,001 --> 03:05:22,000 YOU CAN SEE THAT 84% OF 5304 03:05:22,001 --> 03:05:25,000 AMERICANS ARE INSURED. 5305 03:05:25,001 --> 03:05:26,000 85% OF AMERICANSRE HAPPY WITH 5306 03:05:26,001 --> 03:05:27,000 THE POLICY AND PROGRAM THAT 5307 03:05:27,001 --> 03:05:29,000 THEY HAVE. 5308 03:05:29,001 --> 03:05:31,000 S THE VAST MAJORITY OF 5309 03:05:31,001 --> 03:05:33,000 AMERICANS, THESE LITTLE PIE 5310 03:05:33,001 --> 03:05:35,000 SLIVERS UP HERE GO DOWN THROUGH 5311 03:05:35,001 --> 03:05:38,000 THIS CATEGORY, THE YELLOW AND 5312 03:05:38,001 --> 03:05:40,000 BLACK ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS 5313 03:05:40,001 --> 03:05:42,000 AND ALIENS THAT ARE -- MR. 5314 03:05:42,001 --> 03:05:43,000 SPEAKER, I'M NOT FOR PROVIDING 5315 03:05:43,001 --> 03:05:44,000 HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAMS FOR 5316 03:05:44,001 --> 03:05:45,000 ILLEGALS. 5317 03:05:45,001 --> 03:05:47,000 IF THEY BROKE INTO THE UNITED 5318 03:05:47,001 --> 03:05:48,000 STATES AND VIOLATED OUR LAWS, 5319 03:05:48,001 --> 03:05:49,000 I'M NOT GOING TO SET A CARROT 5320 03:05:49,001 --> 03:05:52,000 OUT THERE AND ARE REWARD THEM 5321 03:05:52,001 --> 03:05:54,000 FOR BREAKING OUR LAWS AND 5322 03:05:54,001 --> 03:05:56,000 GIVING -- GIVING THEM TAXPAYER 5323 03:05:56,001 --> 03:05:58,000 MONEY AND HANDING THEM A HEALTH 5324 03:05:58,001 --> 03:06:00,000 INSURANCE PROGRAM. 5325 03:06:00,001 --> 03:06:03,000 THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE 5326 03:06:03,001 --> 03:06:05,000 FOR, L 5327 03:06:05,001 --> 03:06:08,000 MIKE HONDA OF CALIFORNIA ARE FOR. 5328 03:06:08,001 --> 03:06:10,000 I'M OPPOSED. 5329 03:06:10,001 --> 03:06:12,000 I WILL STAND IN OPPOSITION TO 5330 03:06:12,001 --> 03:06:14,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AN 5331 03:06:14,001 --> 03:06:15,000 PROVIDING COVERAGE FOR ILLEGAL 5332 03:06:15,001 --> 03:06:17,000 ALIENS. 5333 03:06:17,001 --> 03:06:19,000 THIS ORANGISH PIECE HERE, THESE 5334 03:06:19,001 --> 03:06:20,000 ARE INDIVIDUALS EARNING OVER 5335 03:06:20,001 --> 03:06:22,000 $75,000 A YEAR. 5336 03:06:22,001 --> 03:06:23,000 I THINK THEY CAN FIND ANOTHER 5337 03:06:23,001 --> 03:06:25,000 SOLUTION, OTHER THAN A SUBSIDY 5338 03:06:25,001 --> 03:06:28,000 FROM TAXPAYERS IN THE MARKET SYSTEM. 5339 03:06:28,001 --> 03:06:31,000 AND THE GREEN ARE THOSE ELIGIBLE FOR A GOVERNMENT 5340 03:06:31,001 --> 03:06:33,000 PROGRAM, THESE 9.7 MILLION, WHO 5341 03:06:33,001 --> 03:06:34,000 DIDN'T BOSTONNER TO SIGN UP FOR 5342 03:06:34,001 --> 03:06:35,000 MEDICA. 5343 03:06:35,001 --> 03:06:36,000 WE DON'T NEED TO PROVIDE FOR 5344 03:06:36,001 --> 03:06:37,000 THEM, IT'S ALREADY THERE. 5345 03:06:37,001 --> 03:06:38,000 THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE 5346 03:06:38,001 --> 03:06:40,000 COVERAGE WHERE THEY SIGN UP OR 5347 03:06:40,001 --> 03:06:43,000 DON'T, MR. SPEAKER. 5348 03:06:43,001 --> 03:06:46,000 BUT WE CAN'T SOLVE IT WITH THIS SOLUTION. 5349 03:06:46,001 --> 03:06:48,000 THEN, THOSE ELIGIBLE FOR 5350 03:06:48,001 --> 03:06:49,000 EMPLOYER-SPONSORED PLANS, SIX 5351 03:06:49,001 --> 03:06:51,000 MILLION, THEY DON'T 5352 03:06:51,001 --> 03:06:53,000 SIGN UP OR THEY OPT OUT, YOU'RE 5353 03:06:53,001 --> 03:06:55,000 DOWN TO THIS RED NUMBER, THIS 5354 03:06:55,001 --> 03:06:57,000 IS 4%, THIS RED ONE HERE, THE 5355 03:06:57,001 --> 03:06:59,000 ONLY ONE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, 5356 03:06:59,001 --> 03:07:01,000 12.1 MILLION AMERICANS OUT OF 5357 03:07:01,001 --> 03:07:03,000 306 MILLIONING LESS THAN 4% OF 5358 03:07:03,001 --> 03:07:05,000 OUR POPULATION AND FOR THAT, 5359 03:07:05,001 --> 03:07:08,000 FOR THIS RED SLIVER, MR. 5360 03:07:08,001 --> 03:07:10,000 SPEAKER, DEMOCRATS HAVE A 5361 03:07:10,001 --> 03:07:13,000 MAGICAL SOLUTION FOR TOO MANY 5362 03:07:13,001 --> 03:07:14,000 UNINSURED. 5363 03:07:14,001 --> 03:07:17,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. 5364 03:07:17,001 --> 03:07:18,000 A SINGLE PAYER PLAN. 5365 03:07:18,001 --> 03:07:21,000 INCREMENTALLY IMPOSED ON 5366 03:07:21,001 --> 03:07:22,000 AMERICA BY SETTING UP A HEALTH 5367 03:07:22,001 --> 03:07:25,000 CHOICES ADMINISTRATION CZAR 5368 03:07:25,001 --> 03:07:28,000 THAT WRITES NEW RULES AND IN 5369 03:07:28,001 --> 03:07:30,000 THE BILL, THE RESULT IS, 5370 03:07:30,001 --> 03:07:32,000 READING THE LANGUAGE THAT 5371 03:07:32,001 --> 03:07:34,000 CANCELLATION OF EVERY HEALTH 5372 03:07:34,001 --> 03:07:37,000 INSURANCE POLICY IN AMERICA, 5373 03:07:37,001 --> 03:07:39,000 WHETHER IT BE 2011 OR 2013, AND 5374 03:07:39,001 --> 03:07:43,000 THEY ALL HAVE TO GO BACK AND 5375 03:07:43,001 --> 03:07:44,000 REBOOT, PUSH THE ARE RESET 5376 03:07:44,001 --> 03:07:47,000 BUTTON, PUSH CONTROL ALT DELETE 5377 03:07:47,001 --> 03:07:49,000 AND SEE IF THEY CAN WRITE A HEALTH INSURANCE THAT WILL 5378 03:07:49,001 --> 03:07:51,000 COMPLY WITH THE NEW REGULATIONS 5379 03:07:51,001 --> 03:07:52,000 WRITTEN BY THE NEW HEALTH 5380 03:07:52,001 --> 03:07:55,000 CHOICES ADMINISTRATION CZAR. 5381 03:07:55,001 --> 03:07:58,000 THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 5382 03:07:58,001 --> 03:08:00,000 1,300 COUNTRY, 100,000 POLICY, 5383 03:08:00,001 --> 03:08:03,000 NO OF THEM CAN BE GUARANTEED 5384 03:08:03,001 --> 03:08:04,000 UNDER THIS BILL, THAT A SINGLE 5385 03:08:04,001 --> 03:08:05,000 POLICY QUALIFIES WITH THE WHIMS 5386 03:08:05,001 --> 03:08:08,000 OR REGULATIONS THAT WOULD BE 5387 03:08:08,001 --> 03:08:10,000 WRITTEN BY THE CZAR, YET TO 5388 03:08:10,001 --> 03:08:11,000 BE APPOINTED, EVEN THOUGH HE'D 5389 03:08:11,001 --> 03:08:14,000 BE CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE. 5390 03:08:14,001 --> 03:08:15,000 I SEE MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS HAS 5391 03:08:15,001 --> 03:08:17,000 ARRIVED, CONGRESSMAN MIKE 5392 03:08:17,001 --> 03:08:18,000 BURGESS IS A MEDICAL DOCTOR. 5393 03:08:18,001 --> 03:08:20,000 HE'S LIVED THIS. 5394 03:08:20,001 --> 03:08:22,000 HE SIES THIS AGENDA AND SEES 5395 03:08:22,001 --> 03:08:23,000 HOW THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN 5396 03:08:23,001 --> 03:08:24,000 REAL LIFE AND HE'S BEEN A 5397 03:08:24,001 --> 03:08:27,000 FIGHTER FOR 5398 03:08:27,001 --> 03:08:28,000 I YIELD AS MUCH TIME AS HE MAY 5399 03:08:28,001 --> 03:08:29,000 CONSUME TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM 5400 03:08:29,001 --> 03:08:31,000 TEXAS AND I THANK HIM FOR 5401 03:08:31,001 --> 03:08:33,000 COMING TO THE FLOOR TO HELP. 5402 03:08:33,001 --> 03:08:34,000 MR. BURGESS: I THANK THE 5403 03:08:34,001 --> 03:08:35,000 GENTLEMAN FOR LEADING THIS 5404 03:08:35,001 --> 03:08:36,000 IMPORTANT DISCUSSION TONIGHT. 5405 03:08:36,001 --> 03:08:38,000 IT IS CRITICAL THAT PEOPLE 5406 03:08:38,001 --> 03:08:40,000 UNDETAND NOT ONLY WHAT IS AT 5407 03:08:40,001 --> 03:08:42,000 STAKE BUT WHAT REALISTICALLY IS 5408 03:08:42,001 --> 03:08:44,000 POSSIBLE. 5409 03:08:44,001 --> 03:08:46,000 AND THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE 5410 03:08:46,001 --> 03:08:48,000 TALK ABOUT IN THE BILL THAT 5411 03:08:48,001 --> 03:08:50,000 WAS PASSED HERE LATE ON 5412 03:08:50,001 --> 03:08:51,000 SATURDAY NIGHT BY THE SLIMMEST 5413 03:08:51,001 --> 03:08:53,000 OF MARGIN, NONE OF THOSE 5414 03:08:53,001 --> 03:08:54,000 PROGRAMS ARE GOING TO BE 5415 03:08:54,001 --> 03:08:55,000 AVAILABLE THE DAY AFTER THE 5416 03:08:55,001 --> 03:08:56,000 BILL IS SIGNED. 5417 03:08:56,001 --> 03:08:57,000 THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE 5418 03:08:57,001 --> 03:09:00,000 AVAILABLE THE DAY AFTER THE DAY 5419 03:09:00,001 --> 03:09:02,000 AFTER THE BILL IS SIGNED. 5420 03:09:02,001 --> 03:09:03,000 IN FACT, AS THE GENTLEMAN FROM 5421 03:09:03,001 --> 03:09:05,000 IOWA POINTS OUT, IT'S GOING TO 5422 03:09:05,001 --> 03:09:09,000 TAKE TIME TO CONSTRUCT THIS 5423 03:09:09,001 --> 03:09:10,000 MASSIVE NEW GOVERNMENT 5424 03:09:10,001 --> 03:09:12,000 ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM SLASH 5425 03:09:12,001 --> 03:09:13,000 INSURANCE PROGRAM AND AS A 5426 03:09:13,001 --> 03:09:14,000 CONSEQUENCE, IT WILL BE SOME 5427 03:09:14,001 --> 03:09:17,000 FOUR YEARS BEFORE THE PROGRAMS 5428 03:09:17,001 --> 03:09:20,000 ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP THE 5429 03:09:20,001 --> 03:09:22,000 PEOP THAT WERE IN THE 4% 5430 03:09:22,001 --> 03:09:24,000 MARGIN OF FOLKS WHO ARE 5431 03:09:24,001 --> 03:09:27,000 UNINSURED. 5432 03:09:27,001 --> 03:09:30,000 NO THE GENTLEMAN TALKS ABOUT 5433 03:09:30,001 --> 03:09:33,000 THE HEALTH BENEFITS CZAR OR 5434 03:09:33,001 --> 03:09:37,000 COME CZAR OR WHATEVER WE'RE 5435 03:09:37,001 --> 03:09:39,000 GOING TO -- COMEAR OR 5436 03:09:39,001 --> 03:09:41,000 WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL 5437 03:09:41,001 --> 03:09:43,000 THAT PERSON, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE 5438 03:09:43,001 --> 03:09:45,000 DO KNOW WE PASSED A 2,000 PAGE 5439 03:09:45,001 --> 03:09:47,000 BILL, IT GOES TO THE 5440 03:09:47,001 --> 03:09:48,000 APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES 5441 03:09:48,001 --> 03:09:51,000 AND ALL THE RULE MAKING STARTS. 5442 03:09:51,001 --> 03:09:53,000 THINK BACK TO 1996 WHEN THIS 5443 03:09:53,001 --> 03:09:54,000 CONGRESS PASSED A BILL CALLED 5444 03:09:54,001 --> 03:09:56,000 HIPAAING IT WAS SUPPOSED TO 5445 03:09:56,001 --> 03:09:57,000 GIVE US PORT NBLET HEALTH INSUNCE. 5446 03:09:57,001 --> 03:09:59,000 THIS WAS A GOOD THING. 5447 03:09:59,001 --> 03:10:00,000 PEOPLE NEEDED PORTABILITY IN HEALTH INSURANCE. 5448 03:10:00,001 --> 03:10:06,000 BUT A LITTLE PARAGRAPH IN THE 5449 03:10:06,001 --> 03:10:07,000 BILL THAT REQUIRED SOME PRIVACY 5450 03:10:07,001 --> 03:10:10,000 PROVISIONS BE INCLUDED IN THE 5451 03:10:10,001 --> 03:10:12,000 BILL TURNED INTO, WHAT, 10,000 5452 03:10:12,001 --> 03:10:13,000 PAGES IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER? 5453 03:10:13,001 --> 03:10:15,000 AND EVERY DOCTOR'S OFFICE 5454 03:10:15,001 --> 03:10:17,000 ACROSS THE LAND IN EARLY 2000 5455 03:10:17,001 --> 03:10:19,000 HAD TO START COMPLYING WITH 5456 03:10:19,001 --> 03:10:21,000 THESE, YOU KNOW YOU GO THE 5457 03:10:21,001 --> 03:10:23,000 DOCTOR'S OFFICE, THE FIRST 5458 03:10:23,001 --> 03:10:24,000 YOU'VE GOT TO DO IS SIGN THREE 5459 03:10:24,001 --> 03:10:27,000 FORMS, SIGN THEM EVERY TIME YOU 5460 03:10:27,001 --> 03:10:28,000 GO IN, THEY ARE THE HIPAA; 5461 03:10:28,001 --> 03:10:30,000 DISCLOSURE FORMS. 5462 03:10:30,001 --> 03:10:31,000 CONGRESS, YOUR CONGRESS, 5463 03:10:31,001 --> 03:10:32,000 REQUIRED YOUR DOCTOR TO DO 5464 03:10:32,001 --> 03:10:34,000 THAT. 5465 03:10:34,001 --> 03:10:37,000 OFFICES WERE NEVER THE 5466 03:10:37,001 --> 03:10:38,000 PROBLEM WITH DISCLOSURE OF 5467 03:10:38,001 --> 03:10:39,000 SENSITIVE INFORMATION IN THE 5468 03:10:39,001 --> 03:10:40,000 FIRST PLACE BUT WE ARE THE 5469 03:10:40,001 --> 03:10:42,000 RECIPIENTS OF THAT. 5470 03:10:42,001 --> 03:10:44,000 OK, NOW WE'VE GOT A 2,000 PAGE BILL. 5471 03:10:44,001 --> 03:10:45,000 IT IS TO THE 5472 03:10:45,001 --> 03:10:47,000 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN 5473 03:10:47,001 --> 03:10:48,000 SERVICES AND ALL THE RULES AND 5474 03:10:48,001 --> 03:10:50,000 REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO BE 5475 03:10:50,001 --> 03:10:51,000 WRITTEN REGARDING THAT 5476 03:10:51,001 --> 03:10:53,000 2,000-PAGE BILL. 5477 03:10:53,001 --> 03:10:56,000 REMEMBER A SINGLE PARAGRAPH LED 5478 03:10:56,001 --> 03:10:59,000 TOHOUSANDS OF FEDERAL REGISTERND THOUSANDS 5479 03:10:59,001 --> 03:11:01,000 OF COMMENTS ON THE RULE MAKING. 5480 03:11:01,001 --> 03:11:04,000 WE DO HAVE A SECRETARY OF 5481 03:11:04,001 --> 03:11:06,000 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, 5482 03:11:06,001 --> 03:11:08,000 SECRETARY SEBELIUS, PART OF 5483 03:11:08,001 --> 03:11:10,000 THAT AGENCY THAT'S GOING TO BE 5484 03:11:10,001 --> 03:11:12,000 CHARGED WITH WRITING THIS IS 5485 03:11:12,001 --> 03:11:13,000 THE CENTER FOR MEDICARE 5486 03:11:13,001 --> 03:11:16,000 MEDICAID SERVICES. 5487 03:11:16,001 --> 03:11:18,000 WE DO NOT HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR 5488 03:11:18,001 --> 03:11:19,000 IN THAT DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE 5489 03:11:19,001 --> 03:11:21,000 LACKED AN ADMINISTRATOR SINCE A 5490 03:11:21,001 --> 03:11:23,000 WE BEFORE THE INAUGURATION, 5491 03:11:23,001 --> 03:11:25,000 WHEN THE PREVIOUS 5492 03:11:25,001 --> 03:11:26,000 ADMINISTRATOR, UNDER THINK BUSH 5493 03:11:26,001 --> 03:11:27,000 ADMINISTRATION, SAID THANK YOU 5494 03:11:27,001 --> 03:11:29,000 VERY MUCH AND LEFT THAT AGENCY 5495 03:11:29,001 --> 03:11:30,000 HAS BEEN WITHOUT AN 5496 03:11:30,001 --> 03:11:31,000 ADMINISTRATOR SINCE THAT TIME. 5497 03:11:31,001 --> 03:11:32,000 WHY IS THAT IMPTANT? 5498 03:11:32,001 --> 03:11:34,000 BECAUSE THIS IS THE INDIVIDUAL 5499 03:11:34,001 --> 03:11:36,000 WHO IS GOING TO HAVE TO SIFT 5500 03:11:36,001 --> 03:11:37,000 THROUGH ALL THE 5501 03:11:37,001 --> 03:11:38,000 LANGUAGE IN THIS BILL, MATCH IT 5502 03:11:38,001 --> 03:11:40,000 UP WITH THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT 5503 03:11:40,001 --> 03:11:42,000 AND THE MEDICARE ACT AND PUT 5504 03:11:42,001 --> 03:11:44,000 ALL THESE THI 5505 03:11:44,001 --> 03:11:46,000 PUT THE RULES -- WRITE THE 5506 03:11:46,001 --> 03:11:48,000 RULES AND REGULATIONS UNDER 5507 03:11:48,001 --> 03:11:49,000 WHICH YOUR DOCTOR'S OFFICE WILL 5508 03:11:49,001 --> 03:11:51,000 HAVE TO PRACTICE. 5509 03:11:51,001 --> 03:11:52,000 WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THAT 5510 03:11:52,001 --> 03:11:54,000 INDIVIDUAL IS. 5511 03:11:54,001 --> 03:11:55,000 IT MAY BE SOMEONE QUITE 5512 03:11:55,001 --> 03:11:58,000 COMPETENT, IT MAY BE SOMEONE 5513 03:11:58,001 --> 03:11:59,000 WHO IS A POLITICAL APPOINTEE, 5514 03:11:59,001 --> 03:12:01,000 THEREIN IS THE PROBLEM. 5515 03:12:01,001 --> 03:12:03,000 I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING 5516 03:12:03,001 --> 03:12:05,000 ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN HAS DONE A 5517 03:12:05,001 --> 03:12:07,000 VERY ELOQUENT JOB OF TALKING 5518 03:12:07,001 --> 03:12:10,000 ABOUT THE 4% OF THE PEOPLE THAT 5519 03:12:10,001 --> 03:12:11,000 WE ACTUALLY LIKELY SET UP TO 5520 03:12:11,001 --> 03:12:14,000 HELP WHEN WE -- SET OUT TO HELP 5521 03:12:14,001 --> 03:12:15,000 WHEN WE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD. 5522 03:12:15,001 --> 03:12:17,000 I'M SURE THE GENTLEMAN HEARD IN 5523 03:12:17,001 --> 03:12:19,000 IT YAY IN THE SUMMER, I HEARD 5524 03:12:19,001 --> 03:12:22,000 IT IN NORTH TEXAS IN MY TOWN 5525 03:12:22,001 --> 03:12:23,000 HALLS, WE DON'T ANT WANT A 5526 03:12:23,001 --> 03:12:26,000 2,000 -- AT THAT TIME IT WAS 5527 03:12:26,001 --> 03:12:27,000 ONLY A 1,000-PAGE BILL, I CAN 5528 03:12:27,001 --> 03:12:31,000 ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THEY'RE 5529 03:12:31,001 --> 03:12:33,000 SAYING NOW, WE DON'T WANT A 5530 03:12:33,001 --> 03:12:35,000 1,000-PAGE BILL THAT COULD BE 5531 03:12:35,001 --> 03:12:36,000 TAKEN CARE OF WITH REFORM IN 5532 03:12:36,001 --> 03:12:37,000 THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. 5533 03:12:37,001 --> 03:12:38,000 THE PROBLEM THAT NEEDED TO BE 5534 03:12:38,001 --> 03:12:41,000 CORRECTED WAS THE INDIVIDUAL 5535 03:12:41,001 --> 03:12:42,000 WITH A TOUGH MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS, 5536 03:12:42,001 --> 03:12:44,000 A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, 5537 03:12:44,001 --> 03:12:46,000 LOSING THEIR JOB, LOSES THEIR 5538 03:12:46,001 --> 03:12:47,000 INSURANCE, DOESN'T GET COVERAGE 5539 03:12:47,001 --> 03:12:49,000 WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE TIME 5540 03:12:49,001 --> 03:12:52,000 FRAME AND THEREFORE IS EXCLUDED 5541 03:12:52,001 --> 03:12:53,000 FROM COVERAGE FOR TIME 5542 03:12:53,001 --> 03:12:55,000 IMMEMORIAL BECAUSE OF THIS 5543 03:12:55,001 --> 03:12:57,000 TOUGH MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS. 5544 03:12:57,001 --> 03:12:59,000 MEONE MY AGE LOSE THEIRS JOB, 5545 03:12:59,001 --> 03:13:00,000 HAS A HEART ATTACK, THEIR 5546 03:13:00,001 --> 03:13:01,000 INSURANCE COVERAGE LAPSES, 5547 03:13:01,001 --> 03:13:02,000 THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH 5548 03:13:02,001 --> 03:13:03,000 TIME GETTING BACK. 5549 03:13:03,001 --> 03:13:05,000 IN THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE 5550 03:13:05,001 --> 03:13:06,000 HEARD FROM DURING THE SUMMER. 5551 03:13:06,001 --> 03:13:08,000 YEAH, WE DIDN'T WANT THE 5552 03:13:08,001 --> 03:13:10,000 DEMOCRAT BILL, BUT WE DO NEED 5553 03:13:10,001 --> 03:13:11,000 SOME HELP FOR THIS SEGMENT OF 5554 03:13:11,001 --> 03:13:12,000 THE POPULATION WHO FALLS INTO 5555 03:13:12,001 --> 03:13:13,000 THAT CATEGORY. 5556 03:13:13,001 --> 03:13:15,000 THEY WANT INSURANCE, WOULD EVEN 5557 03:13:15,001 --> 03:13:16,000 BE WILLING TO PAY A LITTLE MORE 5558 03:13:16,001 --> 03:13:18,000 FOR INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE 5559 03:13:18,001 --> 03:13:19,000 RECOGNIZE THEIR HUMAN 5560 03:13:19,001 --> 03:13:21,000 VULNERABILITY IS NOW ON 5561 03:13:21,001 --> 03:13:22,000 DISPLAY, YET THEY CANNOT FIND 5562 03:13:22,001 --> 03:13:23,000 IT AT ANY PRICE. 5563 03:13:23,001 --> 03:13:25,000 SOME OF THE THINGS WE COULD 5564 03:13:25,001 --> 03:13:27,000 HAVE TALKED ABOUT, HAD WE BEEN 5565 03:13:27,001 --> 03:13:29,000 REASONABLE ABOUT THIS HAD WE 5566 03:13:29,001 --> 03:13:30,000 BEEN TRULY BIPARTISAN ABOUT 5567 03:13:30,001 --> 03:13:32,000 THIS, IS WE COULD HAVE TALKED 5568 03:13:32,001 --> 03:13:33,000 ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF INSURANCE 5569 03:13:33,001 --> 03:13:35,000 REFORM, AND IN FACT THE 5570 03:13:35,001 --> 03:13:37,000 PRESIDENT, WHEN HE STOOD HERE 5571 03:13:37,001 --> 03:13:38,000 BEFORE THE HOUSE OF 5572 03:13:38,001 --> 03:13:39,000 REPRESENTATIVES IN SEPTEMBER, 5573 03:13:39,001 --> 03:13:40,000 ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT'S GOING 5574 03:13:40,001 --> 03:13:42,000 TO BE FOUR YEARS BEFORE ANY OF 5575 03:13:42,001 --> 03:13:44,000 THIS STUFF BECOMES AVAILABLE, 5576 03:13:44,001 --> 03:13:45,000 HE REFERENCED JOHN MCCAIN'S 5577 03:13:45,001 --> 03:13:47,000 DISCUSSION DURING THE CAMPAIGN 5578 03:13:47,001 --> 03:13:49,000 A YEAR AGO WHERE PERHAPS 5579 03:13:49,001 --> 03:13:52,000 SOMETHING LIKE AN UPPER LIMITS 5580 03:13:52,001 --> 03:13:54,000 POLICY OR A HIGH RISK POLICY 5581 03:13:54,001 --> 03:13:56,000 WOULD BE POSSIBLY THAT BRIDGE 5582 03:13:56,001 --> 03:13:58,000 THAT -- BRIDGE THAT GAP IN 5583 03:13:58,001 --> 03:14:06,000 THOSE FEW YEARS UNTIL THEIR NEW POLICIES ARE AVAILABLE. 5584 03:14:06,001 --> 03:14:08,000 . 5585 03:14:08,001 --> 03:14:12,000 IF WE WORKED ON THAT BRIDGE 5586 03:14:12,001 --> 03:14:14,000 POLICY, IF YOU WILL, MAYBETHE 5587 03:14:14,001 --> 03:14:15,000 OTHER STUFF WOULD HAVE BEEN 5588 03:14:15,001 --> 03:14:16,000 NECESSARY. 5589 03:14:16,001 --> 03:14:18,000 SUBSIDIZE THOSE STATES THAT ARE 5590 03:14:18,001 --> 03:14:19,000 WILLING TO PARTICIPATE. 5591 03:14:19,001 --> 03:14:21,000 THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE 5592 03:14:21,001 --> 03:14:24,000 ESTIMATED THAT IT WOULD COST $20 5593 03:14:24,001 --> 03:14:27,000 BILLION OVER THE 10-YEAR 5594 03:14:27,001 --> 03:14:29,000 BUDGETARY CYCLE TO BEF UP THE 5595 03:14:29,001 --> 03:14:31,000 HIGH RISK PLANS TO ACCOMMODATE 5596 03:14:31,001 --> 03:14:33,000 THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND EVEN MAKE 5597 03:14:33,001 --> 03:14:36,000 IT MORE GENEROUS THAN THAT. 5598 03:14:36,001 --> 03:14:40,000 $20 BILLION OVER 10 YEARS IS 5599 03:14:40,001 --> 03:14:41,000 LESS THAN $1 TRILLION OVER THAT 5600 03:14:41,001 --> 03:14:43,000 10-YEAR INTERVAL. 5601 03:14:43,001 --> 03:14:45,000 AND I SUGGEST IF THIS CONGRESS 5602 03:14:45,001 --> 03:14:47,000 WERE WILLING TO PAS THE 5603 03:14:47,001 --> 03:14:50,000 LIABILITY REFORM, SAVE THAT $54 5604 03:14:50,001 --> 03:14:53,000 BILLION THAT THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE SAID WE COULD SAVE 5605 03:14:53,001 --> 03:14:55,000 AND PUT ALL OF THAT MONEY TO 5606 03:14:55,001 --> 03:14:57,000 HELP THOSE PEOPLE. 5607 03:14:57,001 --> 03:14:59,000 WE COULD SOLVE THOSE PROBL 5608 03:14:59,001 --> 03:15:03,000 MR. KING: I WOULD LIKE TO POSE A 5609 03:15:03,001 --> 03:15:04,000 QUESTION AND ASK YOUR RESPONSE, 5610 03:15:04,001 --> 03:15:07,000 THE GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO ALLEGED 5611 03:15:07,001 --> 03:15:09,000 THAT THE $54 BILLION THAT WOULD 5612 03:15:09,001 --> 03:15:12,000 BE SAVED FROM THE LAWSUIT 5613 03:15:12,001 --> 03:15:14,000 REFORM WOULD ONLY BE 1%, 5614 03:15:14,001 --> 03:15:16,000 THEREFORE IT IS A SMALL 5615 03:15:16,001 --> 03:15:18,000 CONSEQUENCE ANDOT WORTH THE 5616 03:15:18,001 --> 03:15:19,000 TROUBLE TO TAKE ON THE TRIAL 5617 03:15:19,001 --> 03:15:23,000 LAWYERS FOR THAT 1%. 5618 03:15:23,001 --> 03:15:28,000 AND I MADE THAT RESPONSE BUT I 5619 03:15:28,001 --> 03:15:29,000 GO TO YOU SINCE THAT IT IS YOUR 5620 03:15:29,001 --> 03:15:30,000 EXPERTISE. 5621 03:15:30,001 --> 03:15:31,000 MR. BURGESS: THAT IS FAIRLY 5622 03:15:31,001 --> 03:15:34,000 NARROW WINDOW. 5623 03:15:34,001 --> 03:15:41,000 THEY ARE LOOKING ATMEDICAID, 5624 03:15:41,001 --> 03:15:43,000 MEDICARE, SCHIP, SO IN EFFECT, 5625 03:15:43,001 --> 03:15:45,000 COULD YOU DOUBLE THAT NUMBER TO 5626 03:15:45,001 --> 03:15:46,000 $100 BILLION THAT YOU WOULD SAVE 5627 03:15:46,001 --> 03:15:48,000 OVERALL PERSONS WHO WERE 5628 03:15:48,001 --> 03:15:50,000 INSURED, COVERED, CASH CUSTOMERS 5629 03:15:50,001 --> 03:15:51,000 AND THOSE COVERED BY FEDERAL 5630 03:15:51,001 --> 03:15:53,000 PROGRAMS. 5631 03:15:53,001 --> 03:15:55,000 IN TEXAS, WE DID PASS 5632 03:15:55,001 --> 03:15:56,000 SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY REFORMS IN 5633 03:15:56,001 --> 03:15:57,000 2003. 5634 03:15:57,001 --> 03:15:58,000 IT HASADE A SUBSTANTIAL 5635 03:15:58,001 --> 03:16:01,000 DIFFERENCE IN TEXAS. 5636 03:16:01,001 --> 03:16:05,000 I WILL TELL YOU FROM THE STAND 5637 03:16:05,001 --> 03:16:09,000 POINT OF A PRACTICING DOCTOR IN 5638 03:16:09,001 --> 03:16:12,000 1999, THE COST OF A POLICY FOR 5639 03:16:12,001 --> 03:16:14,000 $1 MILLION OF LIABILITY COVERAGE 5640 03:16:14,001 --> 03:16:18,000 IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH MARKET 5641 03:16:18,001 --> 03:16:23,000 WAS AROUND $25,000. 5642 03:16:23,001 --> 03:16:24,000 IT HAD MORE THAN DOUBLED TO 5643 03:16:24,001 --> 03:16:27,000 $57,000 BY 2002. 5644 03:16:27,001 --> 03:16:30,000 IT IS BACK DOWN NOW TO $35,000 5645 03:16:30,001 --> 03:16:32,000 IN THE YEARS -- THAT THIS BILL 5646 03:16:32,001 --> 03:16:33,000 WAS PASED. 5647 03:16:33,001 --> 03:16:35,000 ERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT 5648 03:16:35,001 --> 03:16:38,000 IN PREMIUMS BUT THE BIG SAVINGS 5649 03:16:38,001 --> 03:16:40,000 COMES IN THE BACKING 5650 03:16:40,001 --> 03:16:41,000 PRACTICED. 5651 03:16:41,001 --> 03:16:43,000 MR. KING: I THANK THE GENTLEMAN 5652 03:16:43,001 --> 03:16:44,000 FROM TEXAS AND IN A MINUTE OR 5653 03:16:44,001 --> 03:16:46,000 THAT WE HAVE LEFT. 5654 03:16:46,001 --> 03:16:48,000 I HAVE IN MY HAND A LIST OF THE 5655 03:16:48,001 --> 03:16:50,000 NEW FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT ARE 5656 03:16:50,001 --> 03:16:54,000 CREATED BY THIS BIL. 5657 03:16:54,001 --> 03:16:55,000 THIS I 5658 03:16:55,001 --> 03:16:56,000 3200. 5659 03:16:56,001 --> 03:16:57,000 THAT'S PRETTY SCARY. 5660 03:16:57,001 --> 03:16:59,000 THIS IS THE NEW CHART. 5661 03:16:59,001 --> 03:17:03,000 AND IN THE MIDLE, THIS IS THE 5662 03:17:03,001 --> 03:17:04,000 OLD CHART AND HERE ARE THE NEW 5663 03:17:04,001 --> 03:17:05,000 AGENCIES -- MAYBE ACTUALLY NOT 5664 03:17:05,001 --> 03:17:08,000 ALL OF THEM. 5665 03:17:08,001 --> 03:17:10,000 THE PROGRAM OF ADMINISTRATIVE 5666 03:17:10,001 --> 03:17:13,000 SIMPLY FIX. 5667 03:17:13,001 --> 03:17:14,000 HEALTH CHOICES ADMINISTRATION. 5668 03:17:14,001 --> 03:17:19,000 THIS GUY RIGHT HERE. 5669 03:17:19,001 --> 03:17:21,000 THAT IS THE 5670 03:17:21,001 --> 03:17:23,000 QUALIFIED HEALTH BENFITS PLAN 5671 03:17:23,001 --> 03:17:25,000 OMBUDSMAN THAT TELLS YOU KNOW 5672 03:17:25,001 --> 03:17:27,000 ONE CAN DEAL WITH BUREAUCRACY SO 5673 03:17:27,001 --> 03:17:28,000 YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE WRITTEN 5674 03:17:28,001 --> 03:17:30,000 INTO THE BILL. 5675 03:17:30,001 --> 03:17:32,000 THE HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE 5676 03:17:32,001 --> 03:17:34,000 WHERE ALL OF THESE POLICIES AND 5677 03:17:34,001 --> 03:17:36,000 INSURANCE COMPANIES WOULD HAVE 5678 03:17:36,001 --> 03:17:37,000 TO BE APPROVED. 5679 03:17:37,001 --> 03:17:38,000 STATE 5680 03:17:38,001 --> 03:17:40,000 EXCHANGE AS WELL. 5681 03:17:40,001 --> 03:17:43,000 PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION. 5682 03:17:43,001 --> 03:17:45,000 THAT'S THE ONE WE'L SQUEEZE OUT 5683 03:17:45,001 --> 03:17:49,000 THE PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES. 5684 03:17:49,001 --> 03:17:52,000 THE LIST OF THE MAGNITUDE OF 5685 03:17:52,001 --> 03:17:53,000 THIS SOCIALIZED BILL GOES ON 5686 03:17:53,001 --> 03:17:56,000 AON. 5687 03:17:56,001 --> 03:17:58,000 111 NEW AGENCIES, 230,000 P 5688 03:17:58,001 --> 03:18:01,000 ALL TOGETHER AND THE BOTTOM LINE 5689 03:18:01,001 --> 03:18:03,000 OF IT IS, MR. SPEAKER, THE 5690 03:18:03,001 --> 03:18:05,000 DRAMATIC REDUCTION OF AMERICANS' 5691 03:18:05,001 --> 03:18:06,000 CHOICES AND OUR FREEDOM AND 5692 03:18:06,001 --> 03:18:08,000 LIBERTY UNDER ASSAULT BY PEOPLE 5693 03:18:08,001 --> 03:18:11,000 WHO BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A 5694 03:18:11,001 --> 03:18:13,000 NANNY STATE AND LIVE UNDER 5695 03:18:13,001 --> 03:18:14,000 SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AND I WILL 5696 03:18:14,001 --> 03:18:16,000 FIGHT THIS ALL THE WAY. 5697 03:18:16,001 --> 03:18:17,000 AND I 5698 03:18:17,001 --> 03:18:19,000 PEOPLE WILL RISE UP AND KILL 5699 03:18:19,001 --> 03:18:21,000 THIS 5700 03:18:21,001 --> 03:18:25,000 KILL THE BILL, MR. SPEAKER. 5701 03:18:25,001 --> 03:18:27,000 AND I YIELD BACK. GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. 5702 03:18:27,001 --> 03:18:30,000 THE CHAIR LAYS BEFORE THE HOUSE 5703 03:18:30,001 --> 03:18:31,000 A COMMUNICATION. 5704 03:18:31,001 --> 03:18:32,000 THE CLERK: THE HONORABLE, THE 5705 03:18:32,001 --> 03:18:33,000 SPEAKER, HOUSE OF 5706 03:18:33,001 --> 03:18:39,000 REPRESENTATIVES, MADAM. 5707 03:18:39,001 --> 03:18:42,000 PURSUANT TO SECTION 1K 5708 03:18:42,001 --> 03:18:45,000 SECTION 4-D OF HOUSE RESOLUTION 5709 03:18:45,001 --> 03:18:50,000 5, 11TH CONGRESS, I TRANSMIT TO 5710 03:18:50,001 --> 03:18:53,000 YOUR NOTIFICATION THAT PAUL J. 5711 03:18:53,001 --> 03:18:55,000 SOLIS, KENDRICK L. PAYNE HAVE 5712 03:18:55,001 --> 03:19:00,000 SIGNED AN AGREEMENT TO 5713 03:19:00,001 --> 03:19:02,000 CANDIDATE FOR THE CONGRESS FOR 5714 03:19:02,001 --> 03:19:05,000 PURPOSES OF A FEDERAL ELECTION 5715 03:19:05,001 --> 03:19:07,000 CAMPAIGN ACT OF 1971 UNTIL AT 5716 03:19:07,001 --> 03:19:08,000 LEAST THREE YEARS AFTER THEY ARE 5717 03:19:08,001 --> 03:19:11,000 NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE BOARD 5718 03:19:11,001 --> 03:19:13,000 OR STAFF OF THE OFFICE OF 5719 03:19:13,001 --> 03:19:15,000 CONGRESSIONAL ETHICS. 5720 03:19:15,001 --> 03:19:17,000 COPIES OF THE SIGNED AGREEMENTS 5721 03:19:17,001 --> 03:19:19,000 SHALL BE RETAINED BY OFFICE OF 5722 03:19:19,001 --> 03:19:20,000 THE CLERK AS PART OF THE RECORDS 5723 03:19:20,001 --> 03:19:23,000 OF THE HOUSE. 5724 03:19:23,001 --> 03:19:24,000 SIGNED SINCERELY, LORRAINE C. 5725 03:19:24,001 --> 03:19:25,000 MILLER. 5726 03:19:25,001 --> 03:19:27,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: UNDER 5727 03:19:27,001 --> 03:19:31,000 THE SPEAKER'S ANNOUNCED POLICY 5728 03:19:31,001 --> 03:19:32,000 OF JANUARY 6, 2009, THE CHAIR 5729 03:19:32,001 --> 03:19:36,000 RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM 5730 03:19:36,001 --> 03:19:37,000 CALIFORNIA, MR. ROHRABACHER, FOR 5731 03:19:37,001 --> 03:19:39,000 60 MINUTES. 5732 03:19:39,001 --> 03:19:40,000 MR. ROHRABACHER: I THANK YOU 5733 03:19:40,001 --> 03:19:42,000 VERY MUC MR. CHAIRMAN. 5734 03:19:42,001 --> 03:19:43,000 PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL SOON MAKE A 5735 03:19:43,001 --> 03:19:46,000 DECISION THAT WILL CHART THE 5736 03:19:46,001 --> 03:19:48,000 COURSE FOR AMERICA'S INVOLVEMENT 5737 03:19:48,001 --> 03:19:49,000 IN AFGHANISTAN FOR YEARS TO 5738 03:19:49,001 --> 03:19:52,000 COME. 5739 03:19:52,001 --> 03:19:54,000 I PERSONALLY AM OT UPSET THAT 5740 03:19:54,001 --> 03:19:56,000 IT HAS TAKEN PRESIDENT OBAMA 5741 03:19:56,001 --> 03:20:00,000 THIS LONG TO DETERMINE HIS 5742 03:20:00,001 --> 03:20:03,000 RESPONSE TO GENERAL MCHRYSTAL'S 5743 03:20:03,001 --> 03:20:07,000 REQUEST FOR AN ADDITIONAL 35,000 5744 03:20:07,001 --> 03:20:08,000 U.S. COMBAT TROPS TO BE SENT TO 5745 03:20:08,001 --> 03:20:12,000 AFGHANISTAN. 5746 03:20:12,001 --> 03:20:17,000 THIS IS A MONUMENTAL DECISION 5747 03:20:17,001 --> 03:20:21,000 AND IT COMES WHEN THE RADICAL 5748 03:20:21,001 --> 03:20:23,000 ISLAMIC TALIBAN AND AL QAEDA 5749 03:20:23,001 --> 03:20:24,000 PERFORM MOVEMENTS SEEM TO BE 5750 03:20:24,001 --> 03:20:26,000 GAING MOMENTUM. 5751 03:20:26,001 --> 03:20:28,000 OUR TROOPS ARE STRETCHED TO THE 5752 03:20:28,001 --> 03:20:30,000 BREAKING POINT AND WHEN OUR 5753 03:20:30,001 --> 03:20:33,000 ECONOMY IS FRAYED. 5754 03:20:33,001 --> 03:20:36,000 IT COMES WHEN THE DEPTH THAT 5755 03:20:36,001 --> 03:20:38,000 AMERICA IS PILING UP IS NOT JUST 5756 03:20:38,001 --> 03:20:40,000 ALARMING BUT SUICIDAL. 5757 03:20:40,001 --> 03:20:41,000 THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR 5758 03:20:41,001 --> 03:20:44,000 SINESS AS USUAL. 5759 03:20:44,001 --> 03:20:45,000 NOR IS IT THE TIME FOR BRASH 5760 03:20:45,001 --> 03:20:47,000 DECISION MAK 5761 03:20:47,001 --> 03:20:50,000 A DECISION TO SEND U.S. TROOPS 5762 03:20:50,001 --> 03:20:53,000 TO AFHANISTAN WILL COST MONEY, 5763 03:20:53,001 --> 03:20:56,000 LOTS OF IT, AND IT WILL COST LIVES. 5764 03:20:56,001 --> 03:20:59,000 IN THE PAST, POWERFUL NATIONS 5765 03:20:59,001 --> 03:21:02,000 WERE HUMBLED IN THE RUGGED 5766 03:21:02,001 --> 03:21:06,000 TERRAIN OF THAT DECEMBER OL ATE 5767 03:21:06,001 --> 03:21:09,000 COUNTRY, YES A DESOLATE COUNTRY, 5768 03:21:09,001 --> 03:21:11,000 DOTTED BY THOUSANDS OF SMALL 5769 03:21:11,001 --> 03:21:14,000 VILLAGES, POPULATED BY TRIBAL 5770 03:21:14,001 --> 03:21:15,000 PEOPLE 5771 03:21:15,001 --> 03:21:17,000 FEROCIOUS THAT THEY HAVE NEVER 5772 03:21:17,001 --> 03:21:19,000 BEEN CONQUERED. 5773 03:21:19,001 --> 03:21:23,000 THROUGHOUT HISTORY, ATTEMPTS TO 5774 03:21:23,001 --> 03:21:25,000 CONQUER AFGHANISTAN HAS MET WITH 5775 03:21:25,001 --> 03:21:28,000 BLOODY FAILURE. 5776 03:21:28,001 --> 03:21:31,000 WAR THERE IS NOT DEFEATING AN ENEMY. 5777 03:21:31,001 --> 03:21:35,000 IT IS CONQUERING A PEOPLE AND 5778 03:21:35,001 --> 03:21:36,000 THESE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER BEEN 5779 03:21:36,001 --> 03:21:42,000 CONQUERED. 5780 03:21:42,001 --> 03:21:44,000 BRITISH WRITER KIPLING ONCE 5781 03:21:44,001 --> 03:21:46,000 WROTE, WHEN YOU LIE WOUNDED ON 5782 03:21:46,001 --> 03:21:48,000 THE AFGHAN PLAIN AND THE WOMEN 5783 03:21:48,001 --> 03:21:50,000 ARE COMING TO CUT THE REMAINS, 5784 03:21:50,001 --> 03:21:52,000 ROLL TO YOUR RIGHT AND BLOW OUT 5785 03:21:52,001 --> 03:21:53,000 YOUR BRAINS AND GO TO YOUR GOD 5786 03:21:53,001 --> 03:21:57,000 LIKE A SOLDIER. 5787 03:21:57,001 --> 03:22:00,000 THE BRITISH ARMY DOMINATED VAST 5788 03:22:00,001 --> 03:22:02,000 SPANSES OF INDIA FOR TWO 5789 03:22:02,001 --> 03:22:04,000 CENTURIES BUT WAS NEVER ABLE TO 5790 03:22:04,001 --> 03:22:06,000 SUBDUE THE AFGHANS. 5791 03:22:06,001 --> 03:22:08,000 THOUSANDS OF BRITISH TROOPS LOST 5792 03:22:08,001 --> 03:22:09,000 THEIR LIVES TRYING TO DO JUST 5793 03:22:09,001 --> 03:22:12,000 THAT. 5794 03:22:12,001 --> 03:22:14,000 IN 1842, A BRITISH FORCE OF 5795 03:22:14,001 --> 03:22:17,000 16,000 WITHDREW FROM THEIR 5796 03:22:17,001 --> 03:22:21,000 FORTRESS IN KABUL. 5797 03:22:21,001 --> 03:22:24,000 THAT FORCE WAS THEN BESET BY 5798 03:22:24,001 --> 03:22:25,000 AFGHAN TRIBESMEN WHO 5799 03:22:25,001 --> 03:22:28,000 PIECES. 5800 03:22:28,001 --> 03:22:31,000 ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE ORIGINAL 5801 03:22:31,001 --> 03:22:32,000 CONTINGENT OF 16,000 MADE IT TO 5802 03:22:32,001 --> 03:22:36,000 THE CITY. 5803 03:22:36,001 --> 03:22:42,000 THAT ONE PERSON WHO SURVIVED WAS 5804 03:22:42,001 --> 03:22:43,000 THE SURGEON DR. BRO YMP DEN. 5805 03:22:43,001 --> 03:22:46,000 IT WAS THOUGHT PERHAPS HE WAS 5806 03:22:46,001 --> 03:22:49,000 PERMITTED TO SURVIVE. 5807 03:22:49,001 --> 03:22:53,000 RUSSIA HAS HAD ITS INVOLVEMENT 5808 03:22:53,001 --> 03:22:55,000 IN THE HOSTILE AFGHAN COUNTRYSIDE. 5809 03:22:55,001 --> 03:22:57,000 IT WAS ONE OF THE SOVIET UNION'S 5810 03:22:57,001 --> 03:22:59,000 MOST TELLING CHAPTERS AND IT WAS 5811 03:22:59,001 --> 03:23:02,000 ONE OF THEIR LAST CHAPTERS. 5812 03:23:02,001 --> 03:23:05,000 AFTER AMERICA'S INGLORIOUS 5813 03:23:05,001 --> 03:23:08,000 CONCLUSION OF ITS MILITARY 5814 03:23:08,001 --> 03:23:13,000 OPERATIONS IN VIETNAM. 5815 03:23:13,001 --> 03:23:14,000 , OUR SOVIET ADVERSARY WAS 5816 03:23:14,001 --> 03:23:16,000 EMBOLDENED. 5817 03:23:16,001 --> 03:23:20,000 A POWER VACUUM WAS CREATED THAT 5818 03:23:20,001 --> 03:23:23,000 THE SOVIETS HOPED TO FILL. 5819 03:23:23,001 --> 03:23:26,000 THEY WERE ENGAGED IN A 5820 03:23:26,001 --> 03:23:27,000 POST-VIETNAM WAR OFFENSIVE 5821 03:23:27,001 --> 03:23:30,000 THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. 5822 03:23:30,001 --> 03:23:31,000 WHEN CHA AND VOLATILITY 5823 03:23:31,001 --> 03:23:34,000 ERUPTED IN AFGHANISTAN AS A 5824 03:23:34,001 --> 03:23:38,000 RESULT OF A BLOOD RIFT BETWEEN 5825 03:23:38,001 --> 03:23:40,000 TWO AFGHAN COMMUNIST FACTIONS, 5826 03:23:40,001 --> 03:23:43,000 SOVIET LEADERS SENT IN THE RED ARMY. 5827 03:23:43,001 --> 03:23:48,000 THEY DID THAT TO UNIFY THE 5828 03:23:48,001 --> 03:23:50,000 COMMUNIST FACTIONS AND PACIFY 5829 03:23:50,001 --> 03:23:52,000 THE COUNTRYSIDE IN AFGHANISTAN 5830 03:23:52,001 --> 03:23:54,000 WHICH WAS ALREADY HOSTILE TO THE 5831 03:23:54,001 --> 03:23:55,000 IDEOLOGY AND HOSTILE TO FOREIGN 5832 03:23:55,001 --> 03:23:58,000 TROOPS. 5833 03:23:58,001 --> 03:23:59,000 PERHAPS AS A PAYBACK FOR THE 5834 03:23:59,001 --> 03:24:01,000 MASSIVE SOVIET AID PROVIDED TO 5835 03:24:01,001 --> 03:24:03,000 THE NORTH DURING OUR CONFLICT IN 5836 03:24:03,001 --> 03:24:08,000 VIETNAM OR PERHAPS JUST AS A 5837 03:24:08,001 --> 03:24:10,000 MEANS OF WEAKENING THE SOVIET 5838 03:24:10,001 --> 03:24:13,000 GLOBAL MILITARY POWER DURING 5839 03:24:13,001 --> 03:24:14,000 RONALD REAGAN'S ADMINISTRATION, 5840 03:24:14,001 --> 03:24:17,000 OUR GOVERNMENT PROVIDED WEAPONS 5841 03:24:17,001 --> 03:24:21,000 AND OTHER SUPPORT FOR THE AFGHAN 5842 03:24:21,001 --> 03:24:22,000 INSURGENT FORCES WHO WERE 5843 03:24:22,001 --> 03:24:25,000 BATTLING SOVIET OCCUPATION TROOPS. 5844 03:24:25,001 --> 03:24:28,000 AS COMPARED WITH OTHER 20TH 5845 03:24:28,001 --> 03:24:31,000 CENTURY PRESIDENTS, REAGAN 5846 03:24:31,001 --> 03:24:33,000 RARELY DEPENDED ON A POLICY OF 5847 03:24:33,001 --> 03:24:36,000 DEPLOYING U.S. TROOPS TO SOLVE 5848 03:24:36,001 --> 03:24:38,000 PROBLEMS AND TO COMBAT ENEMIES. 5849 03:24:38,001 --> 03:24:40,000 I KNOW THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT A 5850 03:24:40,001 --> 03:24:41,000 LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ABOUT RONALD 5851 03:24:41,001 --> 03:24:44,000 REAGAN. 5852 03:24:44,001 --> 03:24:51,000 U.S. FORCES UNDER RONALD REAGAN, 5853 03:24:51,001 --> 03:24:52,000 YES, WERE SENT IN TO GRENADA 5854 03:24:52,001 --> 03:24:55,000 WHICH WAS IN THE MIDST OF A 5855 03:24:55,001 --> 03:24:57,000 MURDEROUS RAMPAGE. 5856 03:24:57,001 --> 03:24:58,000 IT WAS A LIMITED OPERATION, BUT 5857 03:24:58,001 --> 03:25:00,000 IT WAS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT 5858 03:25:00,001 --> 03:25:03,000 PROVED THAT AMERICA WAS WILLING 5859 03:25:03,001 --> 03:25:08,000 TO USE ITS FORCE AFTER SUFFERING 5860 03:25:08,001 --> 03:25:10,000 A DEMORA 5861 03:25:10,001 --> 03:25:12,000 KNOWN AS THE VIETNAM SYNDROME. 5862 03:25:12,001 --> 03:25:14,000 ANOTHER DEPLOYMENT PRESIDENT 5863 03:25:14,001 --> 03:25:17,000 REAGAN AGREED TO MAKE WAS 5864 03:25:17,001 --> 03:25:19,000 SENDING MA EVENS INTO LEBANON, 5865 03:25:19,001 --> 03:25:22,000 WHICH RESULTED INTO A 5866 03:25:22,001 --> 03:25:26,000 CATASTROPHIC ATTACK OUR MARINES 5867 03:25:26,001 --> 03:25:30,000 WHICH LEFT 290 OF THEM 5868 03:25:30,001 --> 03:25:33,000 MANY OTHERS SEVERELY INJURED. 5869 03:25:33,001 --> 03:25:36,000 AFTER THAT, REAGAN WAS RELUCTANT 5870 03:25:36,001 --> 03:25:37,000 TO DEPLOY OUR 5871 03:25:37,001 --> 03:25:39,000 AND DURING HIS ADMINISTRATION, 5872 03:25:39,001 --> 03:25:41,000 IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORDS, HE 5873 03:25:41,001 --> 03:25:43,000 DEPLOYED TROOPS INTO COMBAT MANY 5874 03:25:43,001 --> 03:25:45,000 FEWER TIMES THAN MOST OTHER 5875 03:25:45,001 --> 03:25:48,000 PRESIDENTS DURING THE ST 5876 03:25:48,001 --> 03:25:49,000 YET, HE IS PORTRAYED AS A COLD 5877 03:25:49,001 --> 03:25:52,000 WAR I DON'T REMEMBER AND IS 5878 03:25:52,001 --> 03:25:55,000 BRANDED AND WAS WRAND BRANDED 5879 03:25:55,001 --> 03:25:57,000 THEN AS A WAR MONGER. 5880 03:25:57,001 --> 03:26:00,000 HE DEPLOYED OUR TROOPS FEWER 5881 03:26:00,001 --> 03:26:01,000 TIMES THAN MOST AMERICAN 5882 03:26:01,001 --> 03:26:02,000 PRESIDENTS. 5883 03:26:02,001 --> 03:26:06,000 YES, RONALD REAGAN, MORE THAN 5884 03:26:06,001 --> 03:26:09,000 ANY OTHER LEADER, WAS ONE WHO WE 5885 03:26:09,001 --> 03:26:12,000 SHOULD BASICALLY PRAISE FOR THE 5886 03:26:12,001 --> 03:26:14,000 DEFEAT OF SOVIET COMUNISM. 5887 03:26:14,001 --> 03:26:16,000 THAT ENEMY THREATENED OUR 5888 03:26:16,001 --> 03:26:17,000 SECURITY, THE FREEDOM OF OUR 5889 03:26:17,001 --> 03:26:19,000 PEOPLE AND 5890 03:26:19,001 --> 03:26:22,000 THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, YET HE DID 5891 03:26:22,001 --> 03:26:26,000 NOT SEND OUR TROOPS INTO HOSTILE 5892 03:26:26,001 --> 03:26:29,000 ACTION AFTER THE BEIRUT DID HE 5893 03:26:29,001 --> 03:26:31,000 BACKLE MURDERED AND 5894 03:26:31,001 --> 03:26:33,000 THE DEATH OF OUR MARINES. 5895 03:26:33,001 --> 03:26:37,000 IF HE DIDN'T SEND OUR TROOPS IN 5896 03:26:37,001 --> 03:26:38,000 TO VARIOUS PLACES, HOW WAS OR 5897 03:26:38,001 --> 03:26:40,000 COUNTRY SO WELL DEFENDED DURING 5898 03:26:40,001 --> 03:26:44,000 THAT TIME AND HOW WAS THE EVIL 5899 03:26:44,001 --> 03:26:45,000 POWER OF SOVIET COMMUNISM 5900 03:26:45,001 --> 03:26:48,000 DEFEATED? 5901 03:26:48,001 --> 03:26:51,000 WELL, THE ANSWER IS, IT IS WHAT 5902 03:26:51,001 --> 03:26:54,000 IS CALLED THE REAGAN DOCTRINE. 5903 03:26:54,001 --> 03:26:57,000 THIS STRATEGY WAS BA 5904 03:26:57,001 --> 03:26:59,000 CONCEPT OF HELPING OTHERS FIGHT 5905 03:26:59,001 --> 03:27:01,000 THEIR BATTLES WHEN THEIR FOE WAS 5906 03:27:01,001 --> 03:27:04,000 OUR 5907 03:27:04,001 --> 03:27:05,000 RATHER THAN SENDING U.S. TROOPS 5908 03:27:05,001 --> 03:27:10,000 INTO CENTRAL AMERICA, FOR 5909 03:27:10,001 --> 03:27:13,000 EXAMPLE, WHEN THE SOVIETS ARMED 5910 03:27:13,001 --> 03:27:18,000 -- IN FACT, THE STOOGES WERE IN 5911 03:27:18,001 --> 03:27:22,000 THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING A 5912 03:27:22,001 --> 03:27:24,000 MARXIST DICTATORSHIP IN 5913 03:27:24,001 --> 03:27:27,000 NICARAUGUA AND MILITARY 5914 03:27:27,001 --> 03:27:29,000 EQUIPMENT TO BACK UP THAT 5915 03:27:29,001 --> 03:27:30,000 REGIME, REAGAN DIDN'T SEND IN 5916 03:27:30,001 --> 03:27:34,000 TROOPS. 5917 03:27:34,001 --> 03:27:38,000 HE ARMED THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE 5918 03:27:38,001 --> 03:27:41,000 RESISTING THE REGIME, THE 5919 03:27:41,001 --> 03:27:46,000 SO-CALLED CONTRAS. 5920 03:27:46,001 --> 03:27:49,000 IN AFRICA, AMERICA HELPED ARM A 5921 03:27:49,001 --> 03:27:51,000 GROUP AS THEY FOUGHT A 5922 03:27:51,001 --> 03:27:53,000 SOVIET-BACKED REGIME IN ANGOLA 5923 03:27:53,001 --> 03:27:54,000 AND NEITHER OF THESE TWO GROUPS 5924 03:27:54,001 --> 03:27:58,000 WERE PERFECT. 5925 03:27:58,001 --> 03:28:00,000 THEY HAD MANY IMPERFECTIONS AND 5926 03:28:00,001 --> 03:28:02,000 FLAWED ALLIES B 5927 03:28:02,001 --> 03:28:04,000 FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN COUNTRY 5928 03:28:04,001 --> 03:28:05,000 AND FIGHTING THEIR OWN 5929 03:28:05,001 --> 03:28:07,000 COUNTRYMEN. 5930 03:28:07,001 --> 03:28:08,000 WE DID NOT RELY ON SENDING THE 5931 03:28:08,001 --> 03:28:10,000 U.S. TROOPS. 5932 03:28:10,001 --> 03:28:12,000 WE SUPPORTED THOSE LOCAL PEOPLE 5933 03:28:12,001 --> 03:28:14,000 WHO WERE FIGHTING THEIR 5934 03:28:14,001 --> 03:28:16,000 ADVERSARY AS LONG AS THEIR 5935 03:28:16,001 --> 03:28:17,000 ADVERSARY WAS OUR ADVERSARY AS 5936 03:28:17,001 --> 03:28:21,000 WELL. 5937 03:28:21,001 --> 03:28:23,000 WE ARMED AND WE SUPPORTED THE 5938 03:28:23,001 --> 03:28:25,000 MUJAHADEEN IN AFGHANISTAN WHO 5939 03:28:25,001 --> 03:28:27,000 DIRECTLY TOOK ON THE MILITARY 5940 03:28:27,001 --> 03:28:33,000 MIGHT OF THE SOVIET UNION. 5941 03:28:33,001 --> 03:28:34,000 AGAIN, MANY OF THE MUJAHADEEN 5942 03:28:34,001 --> 03:28:37,000 WERE CONSISTENT WITH OUR OUTLOOK 5943 03:28:37,001 --> 03:28:39,000 AND VIEWS AND RESPECT OF FREEDOM 5944 03:28:39,001 --> 03:28:42,000 AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, MANY OF 5945 03:28:42,001 --> 03:28:44,000 THEM WERE, BY THE WAY, VERY, 5946 03:28:44,001 --> 03:28:46,000 VERY SUPPORTIVE OF TREATING 5947 03:28:46,001 --> 03:28:48,000 PEOPLE DECENTLY AND WERE NOT 5948 03:28:48,001 --> 03:28:50,000 RADICAL USLIMS IN THAT REGARD, 5949 03:28:50,001 --> 03:28:51,000 BUT THEY WERE FLAWED PEOPLE WHO 5950 03:28:51,001 --> 03:28:58,000 WE SUPPORT TODD FIGHT THE SOVIET 5951 03:28:58,001 --> 03:28:59,000 ION. 5952 03:28:59,001 --> 03:29:01,000 THAT'S HOW THE SOVIET UNION WAS 5953 03:29:01,001 --> 03:29:03,000 BROUGHT DOWN. 5954 03:29:03,001 --> 03:29:11,000 NOT BY SENDING IN U.S. TROOPS, 5955 03:29:11,001 --> 03:29:13,000 OR -- BUT BY HELPING THOSE 5956 03:29:13,001 --> 03:29:14,000 WERE TRYING TO DEFEAT OUR 5957 03:29:14,001 --> 03:29:15,000 ENEMY. 5958 03:29:15,001 --> 03:29:18,000 DURING THOSE YEAR, I WORKED IN 5959 03:29:18,001 --> 03:29:20,000 THE WHITE HOUSE AS A SENIOR 5960 03:29:20,001 --> 03:29:21,000 SPEECH WRITER AND SPECIAL 5961 03:29:21,001 --> 03:29:26,000 ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT REAGAN. 5962 03:29:26,001 --> 03:29:30,000 I WORKED FOR THE SMALL CADRE OF 5963 03:29:30,001 --> 03:29:31,000 PEOPLE WHO MADE THE REAGAN 5964 03:29:31,001 --> 03:29:38,000 DOCTRINE REAL. 5965 03:29:38,001 --> 03:29:41,000 THE SPEECH WRITING STAFF IS 5966 03:29:41,001 --> 03:29:42,000 CREDITED WITH MAKING THE 5967 03:29:42,001 --> 03:29:44,000 DOCTRINE REAL. 5968 03:29:44,001 --> 03:29:46,000 THOSE PEOPLE WHO TURNED IT INTO 5969 03:29:46,001 --> 03:29:47,000 POLICY, ACTUAL STRATEGIES BEING 5970 03:29:47,001 --> 03:29:50,000 PUT IN PLACE AND PUT TO USE IN 5971 03:29:50,001 --> 03:29:53,000 THE COLD WAR, WERE A VERY SMALL 5972 03:29:53,001 --> 03:29:55,000 GROUP OF PATRIOTS. 5973 03:29:55,001 --> 03:29:58,000 CONSTANTIN MENGES, WHO CAME 5974 03:29:58,001 --> 03:29:59,000 FROM THE C.I.A. AND THEN INTO 5975 03:29:59,001 --> 03:30:03,000 THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. 5976 03:30:03,001 --> 03:30:05,000 BILL CASEY OF THE C.I.A. 5977 03:30:05,001 --> 03:30:09,000 COLONEL OLIVER NORTH. 5978 03:30:09,001 --> 03:30:11,000 DR. PAULA DOBROVSKY. 5979 03:30:11,001 --> 03:30:15,000 VINCE CAPISTRANO. 5980 03:30:15,001 --> 03:30:18,000 KEN DIGRAFFNEY. 5981 03:30:18,001 --> 03:30:20,000 ALL THOSE ON THE ADMINISTRATION 5982 03:30:20,001 --> 03:30:22,000 TEAM WHO PLA 5983 03:30:22,001 --> 03:30:24,000 IN DEFEATING SOVIET COMMUNISM, 5984 03:30:24,001 --> 03:30:26,000 NOT BY ORCHESTRATING MOVES TO 5985 03:30:26,001 --> 03:30:29,000 SEND MORE TROOPS HERE OR MORE 5986 03:30:29,001 --> 03:30:31,000 U.S. TROOPS HERE, BUT INSTEAD 5987 03:30:31,001 --> 03:30:33,000 OTRY TO SUPPORT THOSE PEOPLE 5988 03:30:33,001 --> 03:30:35,000 THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHO WERE 5989 03:30:35,001 --> 03:30:36,000 FIGHTING AGAINST SOVIET TYRANNY 5990 03:30:36,001 --> 03:30:38,000 THEMSELVES. 5991 03:30:38,001 --> 03:30:39,000 AND OF 5992 03:30:39,001 --> 03:30:42,000 AND WE HAD AN INITIATION OF 5993 03:30:42,001 --> 03:30:45,000 SUCH IDEAS AND CONCEPTS BY AND 5994 03:30:45,001 --> 03:30:47,000 SUPPORT OF THE POLICY BY DR. 5995 03:30:47,001 --> 03:30:48,000 JACK WHEELER, WHO IS ALSO 5996 03:30:48,001 --> 03:30:50,000 PERSON WHO WORKED WITH US IN 5997 03:30:50,001 --> 03:30:51,000 TH WAS 5998 03:30:51,001 --> 03:30:52,000 INDEPENDENT AND WENT INTO THESE 5999 03:30:52,001 --> 03:30:56,000 VARIOUS PLACES AROUND THE WORLD 6000 03:30:56,001 --> 03:30:57,000 AND MET THE LEADERS OF VARIOUS 6001 03:30:57,001 --> 03:30:59,000 ANTI-SOVIET INSURGENCIES 6002 03:30:59,001 --> 03:31:01,000 THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND 6003 03:31:01,001 --> 03:31:02,000 REPORTED DIRECTLY BACK US TO 6004 03:31:02,001 --> 03:31:04,000 IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS TO WHAT 6005 03:31:04,001 --> 03:31:05,000 WAS GOING ON IN THOSE 6006 03:31:05,001 --> 03:31:08,000 INSURGENCIES AND YES, OF COURSE 6007 03:31:08,001 --> 03:31:10,000 WE NEED ALSO TO THANK MEMBERS 6008 03:31:10,001 --> 03:31:13,000 OF CONGRESS WHOP SUPPORTIVE OF 6009 03:31:13,001 --> 03:31:15,000 THOSE EFFORTS, LET US NOTE THAT 6010 03:31:15,001 --> 03:31:16,000 RONALD REAGAN, IT'S OFTEN SAID, 6011 03:31:16,001 --> 03:31:18,000 IT WAS BIPARTISANSHIP THAT 6012 03:31:18,001 --> 03:31:20,000 ENDED THE COLD WAR, BUT I 6013 03:31:20,001 --> 03:31:22,000 REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY RONALD 6014 03:31:22,001 --> 03:31:24,000 REAGAN BEING CALLED A WARMONGER. 6015 03:31:24,001 --> 03:31:26,000 I REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY THOSE 6016 03:31:26,001 --> 03:31:28,000 EFFORTS TO DEFEAT THE EXPANSION 6017 03:31:28,001 --> 03:31:32,000 OF SOVIET POWER IN CENTRAL 6018 03:31:32,001 --> 03:31:33,000 AMERICA, BEING UNDERMINED 6019 03:31:33,001 --> 03:31:36,000 DIRECTLY BY PEOPLE IN THIS 6020 03:31:36,001 --> 03:31:37,000 CONGRESS WHO 6021 03:31:37,001 --> 03:31:39,000 RONALD REAGAN AS THE PROBLEM 6022 03:31:39,001 --> 03:31:40,000 RATHER THAN COMMUNIST TYRANNY 6023 03:31:40,001 --> 03:31:41,000 AS THE PROBLEM. 6024 03:31:41,001 --> 03:31:42,000 BUT THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE ON 6025 03:31:42,001 --> 03:31:43,000 THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE AND 6026 03:31:43,001 --> 03:31:45,000 ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE 6027 03:31:45,001 --> 03:31:47,000 AISLE, WHO WERE ACTIVE IN 6028 03:31:47,001 --> 03:31:49,000 SUPPORT OF THE REAGAN DOCTRINE, 6029 03:31:49,001 --> 03:31:51,000 HELPING FREEDOM 6030 03:31:51,001 --> 03:31:54,000 FIGHTERS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD 6031 03:31:54,001 --> 03:31:58,000 INSTEAD OF SENDING U.S. TROOPS. 6032 03:31:58,001 --> 03:31:59,000 THE MOST PROMINENT NAME 6033 03:31:59,001 --> 03:32:01,000 NOWADDAIS IS CHARLIE WILSON. 6034 03:32:01,001 --> 03:32:03,000 YES, CHARLIE WILSON, AS AN 6035 03:32:03,001 --> 03:32:05,000 PLOPETOR WHO HELPED GET MONEY 6036 03:32:05,001 --> 03:32:07,000 FOR THE AFGHAN FREEDOM 6037 03:32:07,001 --> 03:32:10,000 FIGHTERS, 6038 03:32:10,001 --> 03:32:12,000 ROLE AS H MOVIE SUGGESTS. 6039 03:32:12,001 --> 03:32:17,000 BUT HE WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE. 6040 03:32:17,001 --> 03:32:19,000 CHARLIE DESERVES CREDIT 6041 03:32:19,001 --> 03:32:21,000 DO THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, THE ONES 6042 03:32:21,001 --> 03:32:24,000 I JUST MENTIONED AND OTHERS, 6043 03:32:24,001 --> 03:32:25,000 PEOPLE WHO MADE SURE THAT THOSE 6044 03:32:25,001 --> 03:32:27,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR 6045 03:32:27,001 --> 03:32:29,000 FREEDOM IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES 6046 03:32:29,001 --> 03:32:30,000 DID GET THOSE SUPPLIES AND THAT 6047 03:32:30,001 --> 03:32:32,000 THE REAGAN DOCTRINE, THE 6048 03:32:32,001 --> 03:32:35,000 CONCEPT WAS IMPLEMENTED. 6049 03:32:35,001 --> 03:32:39,000 WE MADE SURE THAT THE RUSSIANS 6050 03:32:39,001 --> 03:32:42,000 LEARNED IN VIETNAM. 6051 03:32:42,001 --> 03:32:47,000 THE INTRODUCTION OF U.S. COMBAT 6052 03:32:47,001 --> 03:32:50,000 TROOPS IN VIETNAM DID NOT WORK? 6053 03:32:50,001 --> 03:32:52,000 AND IT IS -- IT WA 6054 03:32:52,001 --> 03:32:55,000 WAS THAT WAR THAT TREMENDOUSLY 6055 03:32:55,001 --> 03:32:57,000 WEAKENED US BUT IT WAS THE 6056 03:32:57,001 --> 03:32:59,000 INTRODUCTION OF COMBAT TROOPS, 6057 03:32:59,001 --> 03:33:00,000 I BELIEVE, IN THE THIS -- INTO 6058 03:33:00,001 --> 03:33:02,000 VIETNAM THAT WEAKENED US 6059 03:33:02,001 --> 03:33:03,000 BECAUSE THE DYNAMICS WERE 6060 03:33:03,001 --> 03:33:05,000 CHANGE 6061 03:33:05,001 --> 03:33:07,000 HAVING MASSIVE TROOPS DEPLOYED 6062 03:33:07,001 --> 03:33:11,000 IN A TOTALLY FOREIGN CULTURE 6063 03:33:11,001 --> 03:33:12,000 DID NOT WORK FOR OUR SIDE IN 6064 03:33:12,001 --> 03:33:14,000 AFGHANISTAN. 6065 03:33:14,001 --> 03:33:15,000 AND HERE WE HAD OU TROOPS IN A 6066 03:33:15,001 --> 03:33:18,000 TOTALLY FOREIGN LAND ON THE 6067 03:33:18,001 --> 03:33:20,000 OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET AND B 6068 03:33:20,001 --> 03:33:23,000 INTRODUCING THOSE TROOPS, 6069 03:33:23,001 --> 03:33:24,000 RATHER THAN FOCUSING PERHAPS ON 6070 03:33:24,001 --> 03:33:27,000 HELPING THE PEOPLE IN VIETNAM 6071 03:33:27,001 --> 03:33:31,000 TO FIGHT THEIR BATTLE, WE SET 6072 03:33:31,001 --> 03:33:34,000 UP A DIE NAM TAKE WORKED ITSELF 6073 03:33:34,001 --> 03:33:35,000 OUT, YES, AND AS IT WORKED 6074 03:33:35,001 --> 03:33:37,000 ITSELF OUT, IT DEFEATED OUR 6075 03:33:37,001 --> 03:33:41,000 EFFORTS AND LEFT THE UNITED 6076 03:33:41,001 --> 03:33:43,000 STATES WITH 50,000 DEAD AND A 6077 03:33:43,001 --> 03:33:44,000 WORLD HUMILIATION AND A COUNTRY 6078 03:33:44,001 --> 03:33:45,000 IN RETREAT. 6079 03:33:45,001 --> 03:33:47,000 I SPENT TIME IN VIETNAM IN 6080 03:33:47,001 --> 03:33:48,000 1967. 6081 03:33:48,001 --> 03:33:49,000 ALTHOUGH I WAS NOT IN THE 6082 03:33:49,001 --> 03:33:51,000 MILITARY. 6083 03:33:51,001 --> 03:33:53,000 PART OF MY EXPERIENCE WAS IN 6084 03:33:53,001 --> 03:33:55,000 THE CENTRAL HIGHLANDS, WHERE I 6085 03:33:55,001 --> 03:33:58,000 HOOKED UP WITH A SPECIAL FORCES 6086 03:33:58,001 --> 03:34:02,000 UNIT OPERATING OUT OF AN OLD 6087 03:34:02,001 --> 03:34:07,000 FRENCH FORT NEAR HE THE 6088 03:34:07,001 --> 03:34:08,000 VIETNAMESE CITY BY THE NAME OF 6089 03:34:08,001 --> 03:34:10,000 PLKU. 6090 03:34:10,001 --> 03:34:11,000 ITAS THERE I FIRST SAW A 6091 03:34:11,001 --> 03:34:13,000 STRATEGY THAT WORKED. 6092 03:34:13,001 --> 03:34:16,000 OUR SPECIAL FORCES TEAMS HAD 6093 03:34:16,001 --> 03:34:17,000 TURNED THE MOUNTAIN YARDS, 6094 03:34:17,001 --> 03:34:19,000 VIETNAM'S INDIGENOUS MOUNTAIN 6095 03:34:19,001 --> 03:34:22,000 PEOPLE, INTO AN AMERICAN ALLY 6096 03:34:22,001 --> 03:34:23,000 IN THIS BLOODY, ELONGATED 6097 03:34:23,001 --> 03:34:24,000 CONFLICT. 6098 03:34:24,001 --> 03:34:26,000 YES, OUR MILITARY FORCES IN 6099 03:34:26,001 --> 03:34:28,000 VIETNAM WERE NEVER DEFEATED. 6100 03:34:28,001 --> 03:34:31,000 OUR MILITARY 6101 03:34:31,001 --> 03:34:33,000 THEY WERE NEVER DEFEATED ON THE 6102 03:34:33,001 --> 03:34:35,000 BATTLEFIELD, NOT IN ONE MAJOR 6103 03:34:35,001 --> 03:34:37,000 BATTLE, BUT WE LOST THE WAR. 6104 03:34:37,001 --> 03:34:39,000 THE STRATEGYWAS WRONG. 6105 03:34:39,001 --> 03:34:40,000 IN THE CENTRAL HIGHLANDS, THE 6106 03:34:40,001 --> 03:34:44,000 MOUNTAIN YARDS WERE WITH US. 6107 03:34:44,001 --> 03:34:47,000 IN FACT, I FELT VERY SECURE AND 6108 03:34:47,001 --> 03:34:50,000 I KNEW THEY WOULD BE -- WOULD 6109 03:34:50,001 --> 03:34:52,000 PUT A HIGH PRIORITY ON 6110 03:34:52,001 --> 03:34:53,000 PROTECTING ME WHILE I WAS WITH 6111 03:34:53,001 --> 03:34:54,000 THEM, EVEN THOUGH I WAS AN 6112 03:34:54,001 --> 03:34:55,000 AMERICAN. 6113 03:34:55,001 --> 03:34:57,000 YES, IN THE HIGHLANDS, THE 6114 03:34:57,001 --> 03:34:59,000 MOUNTAIN YARDS WITH US, THOSE 6115 03:34:59,001 --> 03:35:00,000 WERE THE PEOPLE THAT OCCUPIED 6116 03:35:00,001 --> 03:35:04,000 THE HIGHLANDS IN VIETNAM AND 6117 03:35:04,001 --> 03:35:09,000 HAD THE WAR BEEN DECIDED THERE, 6118 03:35:09,001 --> 03:35:10,000 WITH THOSE PEOPLE YOU ARE 6119 03:35:10,001 --> 03:35:12,000 ENEMIES WOULD HAVE BEEN 6120 03:35:12,001 --> 03:35:14,000 DEFEATED INSTEAD OF AN AMERICAN DEFEAT. 6121 03:35:14,001 --> 03:35:16,000 IN AFGHANISTAN, AMERICA GAVE 6122 03:35:16,001 --> 03:35:17,000 THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN, THE 6123 03:35:17,001 --> 03:35:20,000 WEAPONS THEY NEEDED TO FIGHT 6124 03:35:20,001 --> 03:35:21,000 THE SOVIET ARMY AND WHEN WE 6125 03:35:21,001 --> 03:35:23,000 PROVIDED THEM STINGER MISSILE, 6126 03:35:23,001 --> 03:35:26,000 WE GAVE THEM THE MEANS NOT JUST 6127 03:35:26,001 --> 03:35:28,000 TO FIGHT BUT TO WIN. 6128 03:35:28,001 --> 03:35:32,000 BY THE WAY, WE ALSO PROMISED TO 6129 03:35:32,001 --> 03:35:34,000 HELP REBUILD THEIR TORN COUNTRY 6130 03:35:34,001 --> 03:35:36,000 , AS WE ENCOURAGED THEM TO 6131 03:35:36,001 --> 03:35:38,000 FIGHT, BLEED, AND SACRIFICE IN 6132 03:35:38,001 --> 03:35:40,000 ORDER TO DEFEAT THE SOVIET 6133 03:35:40,001 --> 03:35:42,000 ARMY. 6134 03:35:42,001 --> 03:35:44,000 THE AFGHANS PAID A MONSTROUS 6135 03:35:44,001 --> 03:35:46,000 PRICE FOR THEIR VICTORY, A 6136 03:35:46,001 --> 03:35:47,000 MILLION 6137 03:35:47,001 --> 03:35:49,000 WOUNDED, DEVASTATION THROUGHOUT 6138 03:35:49,001 --> 03:35:55,000 THEIR SOCIETY. 6139 03:35:55,001 --> 03:35:58,000 STOOD UP AND DEFEATED OUR 6140 03:35:58,001 --> 03:36:00,000 MUTUAL ENEMY. 6141 03:36:00,001 --> 03:36:03,000 I WAS BLESSED WITH NOT JUST 6142 03:36:03,001 --> 03:36:04,000 MEETING THE 6143 03:36:04,001 --> 03:36:06,000 ANTI-SOVIET MUJAHIDEEN WHEN 6144 03:36:06,001 --> 03:36:08,000 THEY VISITED WASHINGTON BACK IN 6145 03:36:08,001 --> 03:36:11,000 THE 1980'S, I ACTUALLY WENT 6146 03:36:11,001 --> 03:36:13,000 INTO AFGHANISTAN WITH A 6147 03:36:13,001 --> 03:36:15,000 MUJAHIDEEN COMBAT UNIT AND 6148 03:36:15,001 --> 03:36:19,000 PARTICIPATED FOR A SHORT TIME 6149 03:36:19,001 --> 03:36:21,000 IN THE BATTLE OF JALABAD, THE 6150 03:36:21,001 --> 03:36:23,000 LAST MAJOR BAT UNTIL WHICH 6151 03:36:23,001 --> 03:36:27,000 SOVIET TROOPS WERE PRESENT. 6152 03:36:27,001 --> 03:36:30,000 I DO -- I DO NOT RECOUNT THESE 6153 03:36:30,001 --> 03:36:33,000 MOMES IN HISTORY TO BRING 6154 03:36:33,001 --> 03:36:35,000 PRAISE UPON MYSELF, BUT INSTEAD 6155 03:36:35,001 --> 03:36:38,000 TO LEND PERSONAL AUTHORITY TO 6156 03:36:38,001 --> 03:36:40,000 THE BATTLES WE ENDURED THEM AND 6157 03:36:40,001 --> 03:36:42,000 TO THE ISSUES THAT CONFRONT US 6158 03:36:42,001 --> 03:36:47,000 TODAY. 6159 03:36:47,001 --> 03:36:51,000 THAT WEEK-LONG EXPOSURE TO THAT 6160 03:36:51,001 --> 03:36:52,000 AFGHAN BATTLE GAVE ME A LASTING 6161 03:36:52,001 --> 03:36:53,000 ADMIRATION FOR THESE 6162 03:36:53,001 --> 03:36:55,000 UNCONQUERED PEOPLE. 6163 03:36:55,001 --> 03:36:57,000 IT WAS THE COURAGE OF THE 6164 03:36:57,001 --> 03:36:59,000 AFGHAN PEOPLE MORE THAN ANY 6165 03:36:59,001 --> 03:37:02,000 OTHERS THAT BROKE THE WILL OF 6166 03:37:02,001 --> 03:37:05,000 THE COMMUNIST LEADERSHIP IN 6167 03:37:05,001 --> 03:37:08,000 MOSCOW AND YES, BROUGHT ABOUT 6168 03:37:08,001 --> 03:37:09,000 THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET 6169 03:37:09,001 --> 03:37:10,000 COMMUNIST THREAT THAT HAD 6170 03:37:10,001 --> 03:37:12,000 LOOMED OVER OUR HEADS FOR 6171 03:37:12,001 --> 03:37:14,000 DECADES. 6172 03:37:14,001 --> 03:37:17,000 AND WHEN SOVIET TROOPS MOVED 6173 03:37:17,001 --> 03:37:18,000 OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, INSTEAD OF 6174 03:37:18,001 --> 03:37:22,000 FULFILLING OUR PROMISE TO HELP 6175 03:37:22,001 --> 03:37:25,000 REBUILD THEIR WAR-TORN LAND, WE 6176 03:37:25,001 --> 03:37:27,000 LEFT THOSE BRAVE PEOPLE TO 6177 03:37:27,001 --> 03:37:30,000 SLEEP, WOUNDED, IN THE RUBBLE. 6178 03:37:30,001 --> 03:37:32,000 WE DID NOT EVEN PROVIDE THEM 6179 03:37:32,001 --> 03:37:35,000 WITH THE RESOURCES THEY NEED 6180 03:37:35,001 --> 03:37:37,000 TO CLEAR THEIR 6181 03:37:37,001 --> 03:37:39,000 MINES THAT WE HAD GIVEN THEM 6182 03:37:39,001 --> 03:37:41,000 DURING THEIR WAR AGAINST THE 6183 03:37:41,001 --> 03:37:43,000 SOVIET ARMY. 6184 03:37:43,001 --> 03:37:46,000 THUS, WE LEFT THEM WITH A 6185 03:37:46,001 --> 03:37:47,000 COUNTRY IN WHICH, FOR A DECADE, 6186 03:37:47,001 --> 03:37:49,000 THE LEGS WERE BLOWN OFF THEIR 6187 03:37:49,001 --> 03:37:51,000 CHILDREN AS THEY WALKED THROUGH 6188 03:37:51,001 --> 03:37:53,000 THE COUNTRYSIDE. 6189 03:37:53,001 --> 03:37:55,000 WE DN'T EVEN PROVIDE THEM 6190 03:37:55,001 --> 03:37:56,000 HELP TO CLEAR THE MINES AT THAT 6191 03:37:56,001 --> 03:37:58,000 TIME. 6192 03:37:58,001 --> 03:38:00,000 NOW THAT DECISION TO WALK AWAY 6193 03:38:00,001 --> 03:38:03,000 FROM AFGHANISTAN WAS THE 6194 03:38:03,001 --> 03:38:05,000 DECISION NOT OF RONALD REAGAN, 6195 03:38:05,001 --> 03:38:06,000 BUT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE HERBERT 6196 03:38:06,001 --> 03:38:09,000 WALKER BUSH. 6197 03:38:09,001 --> 03:38:12,000 AND OF COURSE AS WE WALKED 6198 03:38:12,001 --> 03:38:15,000 AWAY, THE ANTI-SOVIET 6199 03:38:15,001 --> 03:38:17,000 MUJAHIDEEN BROKE INTO WARRING FACTIONS. 6200 03:38:17,001 --> 03:38:18,000 THE CHAOS AND MISERY WAS 6201 03:38:18,001 --> 03:38:20,000 PREDICTABLE. 6202 03:38:20,001 --> 03:38:22,000 BUT OF COURSE, WE JUST WALKED 6203 03:38:22,001 --> 03:38:27,000 AWAY. 6204 03:38:27,001 --> 03:38:32,000 WE LET THEM JUST GO DOWN INTO 6205 03:38:32,001 --> 03:38:35,000 THEEPTHS OF MISERY AND OF 6206 03:38:35,001 --> 03:38:37,000 CONFLICT AND OF SELF-MUTILATION 6207 03:38:37,001 --> 03:38:39,000 OF THAT SOCIETY. 6208 03:38:39,001 --> 03:38:42,000 EVENTUALLY, DURING THE CLINTON 6209 03:38:42,001 --> 03:38:45,000 YEARS, OUR GOVERNMENT MADE A 6210 03:38:45,001 --> 03:38:47,000 SECRET PACT WITH SAUDI ARAB 6211 03:38:47,001 --> 03:38:50,000 AND PAKISTAN TO END THE CHAOS 6212 03:38:50,001 --> 03:38:54,000 IN AFGHANISTAN BY INTRODUCING A 6213 03:38:54,001 --> 03:38:57,000 NEW FORCE CALLED THE TALIBAN. 6214 03:38:57,001 --> 03:39:02,000 NOW I HAD SEEN THE STRATEGIES 6215 03:39:02,001 --> 03:39:05,000 BEFORE OF ASSISTING FORCES IN 6216 03:39:05,001 --> 03:39:07,000 AFGHANISTAN WHO WERE RADIC ISLAMISTS. 6217 03:39:07,001 --> 03:39:08,000 I IN FACT SPENT CONSIDERABLE 6218 03:39:08,001 --> 03:39:10,000 TIME IN THE WHITE HOUSE 6219 03:39:10,001 --> 03:39:13,000 POUNDING ON PEOPLE'S DESKS 6220 03:39:13,001 --> 03:39:17,000 SAYING, WHY ARE WE PROVIDING 6221 03:39:17,001 --> 03:39:20,000 MILITARY SUPPORT FOR PEOPLE 6222 03:39:20,001 --> 03:39:21,000 LIKE THESE WHO ARE RADICAL 6223 03:39:21,001 --> 03:39:23,000 ISLAMISTS WHO WERE FIGHTING 6224 03:39:23,001 --> 03:39:25,000 AGAINST THE 6225 03:39:25,001 --> 03:39:27,000 KILLING OTHER ELEMENTS WITHIN 6226 03:39:27,001 --> 03:39:28,000 THE ANTI-SOVIET MUJAHIDEEN, 6227 03:39:28,001 --> 03:39:32,000 KILLING THEM BECSE THEY WERE 6228 03:39:32,001 --> 03:39:33,000 NOT AS RADICAL IN THEIR ISLAMIC 6229 03:39:33,001 --> 03:39:35,000 TRADITION? 6230 03:39:35,001 --> 03:39:37,000 NO, THAT BACKFIRED ON US THEN 6231 03:39:37,001 --> 03:39:40,000 ANIN FACT DURING THE GULF 6232 03:39:40,001 --> 03:39:42,000 WAR, THE FIRST GULF WAR, IT'S 6233 03:39:42,001 --> 03:39:48,000 SIGNIFICANT THAT THE MUJAHIDEEN 6234 03:39:48,001 --> 03:39:49,000 RADICALS THAT WE HAD SUPPORTED 6235 03:39:49,001 --> 03:39:53,000 SIDED WITH SADDAM HUSSEIN. 6236 03:39:53,001 --> 03:39:55,000 THIS AFTER WE HAD PROVIDED HIM 6237 03:39:55,001 --> 03:39:57,000 A MOUNTAIN OF WEAPONS. 6238 03:39:57,001 --> 03:40:00,000 I ARGUED AGAINST THIS STUPID 6239 03:40:00,001 --> 03:40:01,000 STRATEGY BASED ON EMPOWERING 6240 03:40:01,001 --> 03:40:04,000 RELIGIOUS FANATICS. 6241 03:40:04,001 --> 03:40:06,000 IT WAS TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIED, 6242 03:40:06,001 --> 03:40:07,000 ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE WAS A 6243 03:40:07,001 --> 03:40:11,000 DERATE ALTERNATIVE DURING THE 6244 03:40:11,001 --> 03:40:13,000 WAR WITH THE SOVIETS. 6245 03:40:13,001 --> 03:40:14,000 WE HAD GROUPS OF MUJAHIDEEN 6246 03:40:14,001 --> 03:40:16,000 FIGHTERS WHO WERE NOT THE 6247 03:40:16,001 --> 03:40:17,000 RADICAL ISLAMISTS THAT 6248 03:40:17,001 --> 03:40:21,000 EVENTUALLY BECAME THE TALIBAN 6249 03:40:21,001 --> 03:40:24,000 WHICH IS A MISTAKE THE PEOPLE 6250 03:40:24,001 --> 03:40:26,000 -- THAT MANY PEOPLE MAKE, THEY 6251 03:40:26,001 --> 03:40:27,000 THINK THE MUJAHIDEEN WERE THE 6252 03:40:27,001 --> 03:40:28,000 TALIBAN, BUT THE TALIBAN CAME 6253 03:40:28,001 --> 03:40:32,000 LATER. 6254 03:40:32,001 --> 03:40:33,000 I COULD SEE THAT EMPOWERING 6255 03:40:33,001 --> 03:40:34,000 RELIGIOUS FANATICS WAS NOT THE 6256 03:40:34,001 --> 03:40:36,000 RIGHT WAY TO GO. 6257 03:40:36,001 --> 03:40:38,000 AFTER THE SOVIETS HAD BEEN 6258 03:40:38,001 --> 03:40:40,000 DRIVEN OUT, THERE WAS A 6259 03:40:40,001 --> 03:40:42,000 MODERATE ALTERNATIVE. 6260 03:40:42,001 --> 03:40:43,000 THE MODERATE ALTERNATIVE WAS 6261 03:40:43,001 --> 03:40:45,000 KING SHAU. 6262 03:40:45,001 --> 03:40:47,000 HE WAS AN COMPILED KING, RIGHT 6263 03:40:47,001 --> 03:40:49,000 BEFORE THE SOVIETS TOOK OVER. 6264 03:40:49,001 --> 03:40:50,000 THE FACT IS, HE HAD RULED THAT 6265 03:40:50,001 --> 03:40:54,000 COUNTRY FOR 40 YEARS. 6266 03:40:54,001 --> 03:40:57,000 HE WAS THE ONLY LEADER WHO EVER 6267 03:40:57,001 --> 03:40:58,000 GAVE AFGHANISTAN A TIME OF 6268 03:40:58,001 --> 03:41:00,000 TRANQUILITY AND PROGRESS AND HE 6269 03:41:00,001 --> 03:41:01,000 DID THAT BY NOT TRYING TO IMPOSE 6270 03:41:01,001 --> 03:41:04,000 HIS RULE ON THE REST OF THE 6271 03:41:04,001 --> 03:41:05,000 PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN. 6272 03:41:05,001 --> 03:41:09,000 BUT INSTEAD RULED AS A MONARCH, 6273 03:41:09,001 --> 03:41:11,000 AS A SYMBOL,S A FATHER OF HIS COUNTRY. 6274 03:41:11,001 --> 03:41:13,000 WELL, HE WAS AVAILABLE. 6275 03:41:13,001 --> 03:41:14,000 HE WAS LIVING IN C 6276 03:41:14,001 --> 03:41:15,000 ROME. 6277 03:41:15,001 --> 03:41:17,000 I ARGUED THAT CASE THAT HE 6278 03:41:17,001 --> 03:41:19,000 SHOULD BE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT 6279 03:41:19,001 --> 03:41:21,000 BACK TO UNIFY THE COUNTRY, NOT 6280 03:41:21,001 --> 03:41:22,000 SOME R 6281 03:41:22,001 --> 03:41:24,000 THE TALIBAN. 6282 03:41:24,001 --> 03:41:26,000 BUT THE SAUDIS AND THE 6283 03:41:26,001 --> 03:41:29,000 PAKISTANIS WERE INSISTENT AND 6284 03:41:29,001 --> 03:41:31,000 THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD CONTROL 6285 03:41:31,001 --> 03:41:33,000 THE TALIBAN AND TH WOULD USE 6286 03:41:33,001 --> 03:41:37,000 THE TALIBAN, CONTROL OF THE 6287 03:41:37,001 --> 03:41:38,000 TALIBAN, TO CONTROL AFGHANISTAN. 6288 03:41:38,001 --> 03:41:40,000 AND OF COURSE AMERICA JUST WENT 6289 03:41:40,001 --> 03:41:41,000 ALONG WITH IT. 6290 03:41:41,001 --> 03:41:43,000 PRESIDENT CLINTON AND HIS 6291 03:41:43,001 --> 03:41:44,000 ADMINISTRATION SIGNED ONTO THAT 6292 03:41:44,001 --> 03:41:46,000 DEAL. 6293 03:41:46,001 --> 03:41:49,000 IT WAS AN EASY WAY OUT. 6294 03:41:49,001 --> 03:41:51,000 THE SAUDIS WERE GOING TO PROVIDE 6295 03:41:51,001 --> 03:41:53,000 SO MUCH MONEY AND ASSISTANCE AND 6296 03:41:53,001 --> 03:41:54,000 THE PAKISTANIS WERE THERE AND OF 6297 03:41:54,001 --> 03:41:57,000 COURSE THEN PEOPLE DIDN'T 6298 03:41:57,001 --> 03:42:00,000 REALIZE THAT THE PAKISTANI 6299 03:42:00,001 --> 03:42:03,000 MILITARY AND THE I.S.I., WHO WE 6300 03:42:03,001 --> 03:42:05,000 HAVE SINCE PROVEN WERE ACTUALLY 6301 03:42:05,001 --> 03:42:07,000 RADICAL ISLAMISTS THEMSELVES, 6302 03:42:07,001 --> 03:42:09,000 THEY WERE THE ALLIES OF THE 6303 03:42:09,001 --> 03:42:11,000 WORST ANTI-AMERICAN RADICALS IN 6304 03:42:11,001 --> 03:42:15,000 THAT REGION. 6305 03:42:15,001 --> 03:42:17,000 SO, IN REALITY AMERICA IN THE 6306 03:42:17,001 --> 03:42:19,000 MID 1990'S WAS COVERT WILLLY 6307 03:42:19,001 --> 03:42:21,000 SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN -- 6308 03:42:21,001 --> 03:42:23,000 COVERTLY SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN. 6309 03:42:23,001 --> 03:42:24,000 WE COVERTLY SUPPORTED ITS 6310 03:42:24,001 --> 03:42:26,000 CREATION AND WE MADE SURE THAT 6311 03:42:26,001 --> 03:42:28,000 OUR AID WAS 6312 03:42:28,001 --> 03:42:30,000 CHANNELED INTO THOSE AREAS THAT 6313 03:42:30,001 --> 03:42:33,000 SUPPORTED THE TALIBAN BUT WE 6314 03:42:33,001 --> 03:42:37,000 SHORT CHANGED ALL THE OTHER 6315 03:42:37,001 --> 03:42:39,000 NONRADICAL ISLAMISTS WHO WERE 6316 03:42:39,001 --> 03:42:41,000 THERE AND DIDN'T GET THAT SAME 6317 03:42:41,001 --> 03:42:44,000 LEVEL OF AID. 6318 03:42:44,001 --> 03:42:46,000 AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR THE 6319 03:42:46,001 --> 03:42:48,000 PEOPLE OF AF PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN BELIEVED 6320 03:42:48,001 --> 03:42:50,000 THEN AS THEY DO NOW THAT THE 6321 03:42:50,001 --> 03:42:52,000 UNITED STATES HELPED CREATE AND 6322 03:42:52,001 --> 03:42:55,000 WAS BEHIND THE TALIBAN. 6323 03:42:55,001 --> 03:42:56,000 AND IF THEY BELIEVE IT AND 6324 03:42:56,001 --> 03:42:58,000 THEY'RE LIVING WITH IT, THE 6325 03:42:58,001 --> 03:43:00,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THIS 6326 03:43:00,001 --> 03:43:04,000 AS WELL. 6327 03:43:04,001 --> 03:43:05,000 WELL, THE FACT THAT THE CLINTON 6328 03:43:05,001 --> 03:43:06,000 ADMINISTRATION WAS COVERTLY 6329 03:43:06,001 --> 03:43:11,000 SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN DID NOT 6330 03:43:11,001 --> 03:43:12,000 STOP A NUMBER OF US FROM DOING 6331 03:43:12,001 --> 03:43:14,000 SOMETHING ELSE, FROM TRYING TO 6332 03:43:14,001 --> 03:43:17,000 CREATE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. 6333 03:43:17,001 --> 03:43:18,000 BEN GILLMAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE 6334 03:43:18,001 --> 03:43:20,000 HOUSE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE, 6335 03:43:20,001 --> 03:43:22,000 ALONG WITH A SMALL TEAM OF 6336 03:43:22,001 --> 03:43:24,000 ACTIVISTS AND I AM VERY PROUD TO 6337 03:43:24,001 --> 03:43:25,000 HAVE BEEN ONE OF THEM, STRUGGLED 6338 03:43:25,001 --> 03:43:27,000 TO -- STRUGGLED TO CHANGE U.S. 6339 03:43:27,001 --> 03:43:29,000 POLICY AND WEPT OUT TO SUPPORT 6340 03:43:29,001 --> 03:43:31,000 THOSE WHO OPPOSED THE -- WENT 6341 03:43:31,001 --> 03:43:33,000 OUT TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO OPPOSED 6342 03:43:33,001 --> 03:43:34,000 THE TALIBAN OF THE I WAS IN AND 6343 03:43:34,001 --> 03:43:36,000 OUT OF -- TALIBAN. 6344 03:43:36,001 --> 03:43:39,000 I WAS IN PERSONALLY. 6345 03:43:39,001 --> 03:43:40,000 WE WERE WORKING TO BUILD AN 6346 03:43:40,001 --> 03:43:41,000 ANTITALIBAN COALITION BY UNITING 6347 03:43:41,001 --> 03:43:44,000 ETHNIC AND TRIBAL LEADERS, 6348 03:43:44,001 --> 03:43:45,000 ESPECIALLY 6349 03:43:45,001 --> 03:43:47,000 TUNE AREAS OF AFGHANISTAN. 6350 03:43:47,001 --> 03:43:50,000 WE ALSO WORKED WITH PUSH TONS 6351 03:43:50,001 --> 03:43:51,000 WHO WERE ANTI-TALIBAN. 6352 03:43:51,001 --> 03:43:53,000 LEADERS LIKE ABDUL HAWK WHO WAS 6353 03:43:53,001 --> 03:43:56,000 A TERRIFIC LEADER AND ONE OF THE 6354 03:43:56,001 --> 03:43:59,000 GREAT LEADERS IN THE MUJAHEDDIN 6355 03:43:59,001 --> 03:44:00,000 EFFORT TO DEFEAT THE SOVIET ARMY 6356 03:44:00,001 --> 03:44:03,000 DURING THEIR OCCUPATION. 6357 03:44:03,001 --> 03:44:06,000 HE WAS A PUSHTUN LEADER THAT WE 6358 03:44:06,001 --> 03:44:08,000 WERE WORKING WITH AND THERE WAS 6359 03:44:08,001 --> 03:44:09,000 KING SHAW WHO WAS ALSO A 6360 03:44:09,001 --> 03:44:10,000 PUSHTUN. 6361 03:44:10,001 --> 03:44:11,000 WE WERE TRYING AT THE VERY LEAST 6362 03:44:11,001 --> 03:44:13,000 TO GET THOSE IN THE NORTHERN 6363 03:44:13,001 --> 03:44:16,000 PART OF THE COUNTRY AND THOSE 6364 03:44:16,001 --> 03:44:18,000 ETHNIC GROUPS OTHER THAN PUSHTUNS. 6365 03:44:18,001 --> 03:44:21,000 BECAUSE IN AFGHANISTAN, YES, NOT 6366 03:44:21,001 --> 03:44:24,000 ALL PUSHTUNS ARE TALIBAN BUT 6367 03:44:24,001 --> 03:44:27,000 ALMOST ALL TALIBAN ARE PUSHTUNS. 6368 03:44:27,001 --> 03:44:28,000 DURING THAT TIME, DURING THE 6369 03:44:28,001 --> 03:44:29,000 1990'S WHEN WE WERE WORKING 6370 03:44:29,001 --> 03:44:33,000 TRYING TO CREATE THAT COALITION, 6371 03:44:33,001 --> 03:44:36,000 I MET WITH GENERAL DOSE TIN, 6372 03:44:36,001 --> 03:44:38,000 COMMANDER MASSOUD AND MANY 6373 03:44:38,001 --> 03:44:39,000 OTHERS, OUR TEAM BROUGHT 6374 03:44:39,001 --> 03:44:41,000 TOGETHER ALL OF THE LEADERS OF 6375 03:44:41,001 --> 03:44:42,000 THE ETHNIC GROUPS OF THE AFGHAN 6376 03:44:42,001 --> 03:44:43,000 ETHNIC GROUPS AND THE 6377 03:44:43,001 --> 03:44:46,000 SIGNIFICANT TRIBES. 6378 03:44:46,001 --> 03:44:48,000 WE BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER IN 6379 03:44:48,001 --> 03:44:51,000 FRANKFORT, IN BALANCE AM IN 6380 03:44:51,001 --> 03:44:55,000 1997, IN ISTANBUL IN 1998 AND 6381 03:44:55,001 --> 03:44:56,000 THEN IN DECEMBER, 2000, AND AND 6382 03:44:56,001 --> 03:44:58,000 CHAIRMAN GILLMAN BROUGHT THE KEY 6383 03:44:58,001 --> 03:45:00,000 AFGHANISTAN PLAYERS RIGHT HERE 6384 03:45:00,001 --> 03:45:03,000 TO WASHINGTON, D.C., TO OUR 6385 03:45:03,001 --> 03:45:05,000 FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE ROOM 6386 03:45:05,001 --> 03:45:07,000 IN THE RAYBURN ROOM, IN THE 6387 03:45:07,001 --> 03:45:09,000 RAYBURN BUILDING. 6388 03:45:09,001 --> 03:45:10,000 AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING, 6389 03:45:10,001 --> 03:45:12,000 ORGANIZED BY CHAIRMAN GILLMAN 6390 03:45:12,001 --> 03:45:15,000 AND MYSELF, WHAT RESULTED FROM 6391 03:45:15,001 --> 03:45:17,000 THAT MEETING WAS A PHONE CALL 6392 03:45:17,001 --> 03:45:22,000 MADE DURING THAT MEETING FROM 6393 03:45:22,001 --> 03:45:24,000 THE PARTICIPANTS HERE WHO WERE ANTI-TALIBAN PEOPLE WHO WE HAD 6394 03:45:24,001 --> 03:45:26,000 BROUGHT HERE, THAT TELEPHONE 6395 03:45:26,001 --> 03:45:29,000 CALL WAS MADE TO KING SHAW WHO 6396 03:45:29,001 --> 03:45:31,000 WAS THEN L IN COMPILE IN ROME. 6397 03:45:31,001 --> 03:45:32,000 ON THAT -- -- THAT -- EXILE IN 6398 03:45:32,001 --> 03:45:33,000 ROME. 6399 03:45:33,001 --> 03:45:35,000 DURING THAT PHONE CA, AN 6400 03:45:35,001 --> 03:45:39,000 AGREEMENT WAS REACHED THAT THE 6401 03:45:39,001 --> 03:45:42,000 KING WOULD RETURN TO AFGHANISTAN 6402 03:45:42,001 --> 03:45:46,000 INTO MASSOUD'S TERRITORY AND 6403 03:45:46,001 --> 03:45:49,000 LEAD A GATHERING OF LEADERS OF 6404 03:45:49,001 --> 03:45:54,000 AFGHANISTAN IN JULY OF 6405 03:45:54,001 --> 03:45:57,000 WHEN THAT AGREEMENT 6406 03:45:57,001 --> 03:45:59,000 FRUIT, WHEN THAT MEETING DID NOT 6407 03:45:59,001 --> 03:46:00,000 OCCUR, BEN GILLMAN AND I 6408 03:46:00,001 --> 03:46:03,000 DISCUSSED COMMITTEE STAFF IN 6409 03:46:03,001 --> 03:46:06,000 LATE AUGUST AND EARLY SEPTEMBER 6410 03:46:06,001 --> 03:46:10,000 OF 2001 TO ROME AND TO PAKISTAN 6411 03:46:10,001 --> 03:46:13,000 TO FIND OUT WHY THAT HAD FAILED 6412 03:46:13,001 --> 03:46:15,000 MATERIALIZE. 6413 03:46:15,001 --> 03:46:17,000 SO WHATEVER THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION WAS DOING, 6414 03:46:17,001 --> 03:46:19,000 WHATEVER THE TILT TO THE 6415 03:46:19,001 --> 03:46:20,000 TALIBAN, THERE WERE OTHERS OF US 6416 03:46:20,001 --> 03:46:24,000 TRYING TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT AND, 6417 03:46:24,001 --> 03:46:25,000 YES, ALL OF THAT ACTIVITY PAID 6418 03:46:25,001 --> 03:46:26,000 OFF. 6419 03:46:26,001 --> 03:46:29,000 EVENTUALLY AFTER 9/11 THE AFGHAN 6420 03:46:29,001 --> 03:46:32,000 TRIBAL AND ETHNIC LEADERS ON OUR 6421 03:46:32,001 --> 03:46:35,000 TEAM AND BASICALLY THOSE PEOPLE 6422 03:46:35,001 --> 03:46:38,000 THAT WE HAD BEEN ENCOURAGING TO 6423 03:46:38,001 --> 03:46:41,000 GET TOGETHER AND FORM A 6424 03:46:41,001 --> 03:46:42,000 COALITION, THAT COALITION 6425 03:46:42,001 --> 03:46:44,000 EMERGED AFTER 9/11 AS THE 6426 03:46:44,001 --> 03:46:46,000 NORTHERN ALLIANCE. 6427 03:46:46,001 --> 03:46:50,000 MOST IMPORTANT FOR AMERICANS TO 6428 03:46:50,001 --> 03:46:53,000 UNDERSTAND NOW, IT WAS THE 6429 03:46:53,001 --> 03:46:55,000 NORTHERN ALLIANCE, AFGHANS 6430 03:46:55,001 --> 03:46:58,000 THEMSELVES, NOT U.S. COMBAT 6431 03:46:58,001 --> 03:47:01,000 TROOPS, THAT DROVE THE TALIBAN 6432 03:47:01,001 --> 03:47:03,000 OUT OF AFGHANISTAN AFTER 9/11. 6433 03:47:03,001 --> 03:47:05,000 MANY PEOPLE NOW ARE VERY LOOSE 6434 03:47:05,001 --> 03:47:07,000 IN THEIR WORDS WHEN THEY DISCUSS 6435 03:47:07,001 --> 03:47:09,000 HOW THE 6436 03:47:09,001 --> 03:47:10,000 DRIVEN OUT AFTER 9/11. 6437 03:47:10,001 --> 03:47:12,000 WHEN WE DROVE THEM OUT. 6438 03:47:12,001 --> 03:47:15,000 YOU CAN HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 6439 03:47:15,001 --> 03:47:16,000 WELL, IT WAS A MAGNIFICENT 6440 03:47:16,001 --> 03:47:20,000 VICTORY. 6441 03:47:20,001 --> 03:47:22,000 BUT AMERICA ONLY HAD 200 TROOPS 6442 03:47:22,001 --> 03:47:23,000 ON THE GROUND. 6443 03:47:23,001 --> 03:47:26,000 SPECIAL FORCES. 6444 03:47:26,001 --> 03:47:27,000 WHEN THE TALIBAN WERE DRIVEN OUT 6445 03:47:27,001 --> 03:47:30,000 OF AFGHANISTAN. 6446 03:47:30,001 --> 03:47:32,000 SO, WHEN YOU HEAR PEOPLE SAY, 6447 03:47:32,001 --> 03:47:33,000 OH, WE DIDN'T COME IN WITH 6448 03:47:33,001 --> 03:47:36,000 ENOUGH BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WE 6449 03:47:36,001 --> 03:47:39,000 ONLY HAD 200 BOOTS ON THE 6450 03:47:39,001 --> 03:47:42,000 GROUND, IN 6451 03:47:42,001 --> 03:47:45,000 FACT THOSE 200 BOOTS GAVE US A 6452 03:47:45,001 --> 03:47:49,000 TREMENDOUS VICTORY. 6453 03:47:49,001 --> 03:47:51,000 AND IT ALSO GAVE US A TREMENDOUS 6454 03:47:51,001 --> 03:47:55,000 OPPORTUNITY TO REBUILD THAT 6455 03:47:55,001 --> 03:47:57,000 NATION AND TO DEMONSTRATE THE 6456 03:47:57,001 --> 03:47:58,000 BENEFIT OF BEING AMERICA'S 6457 03:47:58,001 --> 03:48:00,000 FRIEND. 6458 03:48:00,001 --> 03:48:03,000 IT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO 6459 03:48:03,001 --> 03:48:05,000 MA UP FOR BREAKING OUR WORD 6460 03:48:05,001 --> 03:48:07,000 BEFORE -- AFTER THAT WAR WITH 6461 03:48:07,001 --> 03:48:09,000 THE SOVIETS AND TO REGAIN THE 6462 03:48:09,001 --> 03:48:11,000 TRUST AND ADMIRATION OF MODERATE 6463 03:48:11,001 --> 03:48:14,000 MUSLIMS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. 6464 03:48:14,001 --> 03:48:15,000 WE HAD THAT CHANCE. 6465 03:48:15,001 --> 03:48:17,000 AFGHANISTAN, WHICH BY THE WAY IS 6466 03:48:17,001 --> 03:48:20,000 ABOUT THE SAME SIZE OF IRAQ, WE 6467 03:48:20,001 --> 03:48:22,000 HAD DRIVEN OUT A FOREST OF TENS 6468 03:48:22,001 --> 03:48:23,000 OF THOUSANDS OF -- FORCE OF TENS 6469 03:48:23,001 --> 03:48:25,000 OF THOUSANDS OF TALIBAN SOLDIERS 6470 03:48:25,001 --> 03:48:27,000 AND THEIR AL QAEDA ALLIES. 6471 03:48:27,001 --> 03:48:28,000 NOT BY U.S. TROOPS, ONLY 200 6472 03:48:28,001 --> 03:48:31,000 U.S. TROOPS WERE THERE, BUT 6473 03:48:31,001 --> 03:48:34,000 INSTEAD BY PROVIDING AIR SUPPORT 6474 03:48:34,001 --> 03:48:38,000 AND SUPPLIES AND COMMUNICATIONS 6475 03:48:38,001 --> 03:48:39,000 TO THOSE PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN 6476 03:48:39,001 --> 03:48:42,000 WHO WERING AGAINST THE RADICAL 6477 03:48:42,001 --> 03:48:44,000 ISLAMIC GANGSTERS WHO HAD OPPRESSED THEM. 6478 03:48:44,001 --> 03:48:48,000 WELL, AFTER THE TALIBAN WAS 6479 03:48:48,001 --> 03:48:50,000 DEFEATED, INSTEAD OF FOCUSI 6480 03:48:50,001 --> 03:48:52,000 AFGHANISTAN, INSTEAD OF KEEPING 6481 03:48:52,001 --> 03:48:53,000 OUR PROMISE, GOING BACK TO KEEP 6482 03:48:53,001 --> 03:48:56,000 OUR RD WHICH WE'D GIVEN SO 6483 03:48:56,001 --> 03:48:57,000 LONG AGO, AND I MIGHT SAY, WE 6484 03:48:57,001 --> 03:49:02,000 RENEWED THAT PROMISE WHEN WE 6485 03:49:02,001 --> 03:49:04,000 ASKED THEM TO DRIVE OUT THE 6486 03:49:04,001 --> 03:49:06,000 TALIBAN, INSTEAD PRESIDENT BUSH 6487 03:49:06,001 --> 03:49:12,000 RUSHED THE UNITED STATES INTO AN 6488 03:49:12,001 --> 03:49:13,000 INVASION ATTACK OF IRAQ. 6489 03:49:13,001 --> 03:49:16,000 THE BATTLE FOR IRAQ, HOWEVER, 6490 03:49:16,001 --> 03:49:17,000 WAS FOUGHT BY U.S. COMBAT 6491 03:49:17,001 --> 03:49:19,000 TROOPS, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT 6492 03:49:19,001 --> 03:49:20,000 STRATEGY FROM WHAT HAD WORKED IN 6493 03:49:20,001 --> 03:49:22,000 AFGHANISTAN. 6494 03:49:22,001 --> 03:49:23,000 AND 6495 03:49:23,001 --> 03:49:24,000 IMPLEMENTED A SIMILAR 6496 03:49:24,001 --> 03:49:27,000 STRATEGY IN IRAQ. 6497 03:49:27,001 --> 03:49:29,000 BY ARMING THE KURDS AND THE 6498 03:49:29,001 --> 03:49:31,000 SHI'ITES, BY MAKING DEALS AND 6499 03:49:31,001 --> 03:49:33,000 CUTTING DEALS WITH SHY EAT 6500 03:49:33,001 --> 03:49:35,000 LEADERS, BY -- SHI'ITE LEADERS, 6501 03:49:35,001 --> 03:49:36,000 BY REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT 6502 03:49:36,001 --> 03:49:37,000 PEOPLE IN THEIR MILITARY AND 6503 03:49:37,001 --> 03:49:38,000 GOVERNMENT. 6504 03:49:38,001 --> 03:49:41,000 BUT INSTEAD, NO, WE SENT IN 6505 03:49:41,001 --> 03:49:42,000 LARGE NUMBERS OF U.S. TROOPS IN 6506 03:49:42,001 --> 03:49:46,000 COMBAT UNITS. 6507 03:49:46,001 --> 03:49:49,000 ONLY WHEN W 6508 03:49:49,001 --> 03:49:52,000 BACK AND USED OUR FINANCIAL 6509 03:49:52,001 --> 03:49:56,000 RESOURCES TO BUY THE GOODWILL OF 6510 03:49:56,001 --> 03:49:58,000 THE PEOPLE IN IRAQ DID THE IRAQ 6511 03:49:58,001 --> 03:49:59,000 WAR TURN IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 6512 03:49:59,001 --> 03:50:01,000 WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE 6513 03:50:01,001 --> 03:50:03,000 SURGE AND I VOTED FOR THE SURGE 6514 03:50:03,001 --> 03:50:05,000 D TO BE AS SUPPORTIVE 6515 03:50:05,001 --> 03:50:07,000 AS I COULD, 6516 03:50:07,001 --> 03:50:10,000 IN IRAQ WOULD HAVE BEEN A 6517 03:50:10,001 --> 03:50:11,000 HORRIBLE, DEMORAL IDSING EVENT 6518 03:50:11,001 --> 03:50:13,000 -- DEMORAL IDSING EVENT FOR THE 6519 03:50:13,001 --> 03:50:14,000 PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES -- 6520 03:50:14,001 --> 03:50:15,000 MORALIZING EVENT FOR THE 6521 03:50:15,001 --> 03:50:16,000 PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. 6522 03:50:16,001 --> 03:50:19,000 I TRIED TO BE SUPPORTIVE. 6523 03:50:19,001 --> 03:50:22,000 BUT WE WERE OBVIOUSLY DOING THE WRONG THING. 6524 03:50:22,001 --> 03:50:24,000 WE OBVIOUSLY USED THE WRONG 6525 03:50:24,001 --> 03:50:25,000 STRATEGY, THE COMPETENCE OF THE 6526 03:50:25,001 --> 03:50:28,000 LAST ADMINISTRATION IN CARRYING 6527 03:50:28,001 --> 03:50:29,000 OUT THAT WAR, AND BUILDING A 6528 03:50:29,001 --> 03:50:31,000 PEACE WAS ABYSMAL. 6529 03:50:31,001 --> 03:50:34,000 WE COULD HAVE DONE WHAT WE DID 6530 03:50:34,001 --> 03:50:36,000 IN AFGHANISTAN AND LET THE 6531 03:50:36,001 --> 03:50:38,000 IRAQIS LIBERATE THEMSELVES FROM 6532 03:50:38,001 --> 03:50:41,000 SADDAM HUSSEIN'S TYRANNY. 6533 03:50:41,001 --> 03:50:42,000 THE HUMAN AND FINANCIAL COSTS OF 6534 03:50:42,001 --> 03:50:46,000 THE IRAQ LIBERATION AND HOW IT 6535 03:50:46,001 --> 03:50:47,000 WAS ACCOMPLISHED ALL,ALL OF THE 6536 03:50:47,001 --> 03:50:48,000 INCOMPETENCE THAT WENT WITH IT, 6537 03:50:48,001 --> 03:50:51,000 WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF SCRUTINY 6538 03:50:51,001 --> 03:50:55,000 FOR YEARS TO COME. 6539 03:50:55,001 --> 03:50:59,000 HOWEVER, WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD 6540 03:50:59,001 --> 03:51:02,000 AND THERE IS SOME SIGN, THERE IS 6541 03:51:02,001 --> 03:51:05,000 EVERY SIGN 6542 03:51:05,001 --> 03:51:06,000 AND THAT SUCCESS, IT'S CLEAR 6543 03:51:06,001 --> 03:51:09,000 THAT THAT SUCCESS WAS BROUGHT 6544 03:51:09,001 --> 03:51:11,000 ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY BY LARGE 6545 03:51:11,001 --> 03:51:14,000 NUMBERS OF U.S. TROOPS BUT 6546 03:51:14,001 --> 03:51:17,000 INSTEAD, NOT JUST THE SURGE OF 6547 03:51:17,001 --> 03:51:19,000 TROOPS, BUT GENERAL 6548 03:51:19,001 --> 03:51:23,000 ABILITY TO USE FINANCIAL 6549 03:51:23,001 --> 03:51:25,000 RESOURCES TO WIN THE LOYALTY OF 6550 03:51:25,001 --> 03:51:28,000 SUNNIS AND OTHER LEADERS, TRIBAL 6551 03:51:28,001 --> 03:51:31,000 LEADERS, IN IRAQ. 6552 03:51:31,001 --> 03:51:34,000 BUT WHAT IS ALSO CLEAR IS THAT 6553 03:51:34,001 --> 03:51:36,000 OUR IRAQ FOCUS AFTER THE DEFEAT 6554 03:51:36,001 --> 03:51:39,000 OF THE TALIBAN PREVENTED US FROM 6555 03:51:39,001 --> 03:51:41,000 ING WHAT WAS RIGHT BY THE 6556 03:51:41,001 --> 03:51:42,000 AFGHANISTAN PEOPLE AND THERE IS 6557 03:51:42,001 --> 03:51:45,000 A COST TO THAT AS WELL. 6558 03:51:45,001 --> 03:51:47,000 THERE'S A COST THAT 6559 03:51:47,001 --> 03:51:48,000 FOR NOT DOING WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR 6560 03:51:48,001 --> 03:51:50,000 THE AFGHAN PEOPLE AND JUST 6561 03:51:50,001 --> 03:51:53,000 RUSHING OFF TO COMMIT OUR 6562 03:51:53,001 --> 03:51:54,000 TREASURE AND OUR TROOPS INTO 6563 03:51:54,001 --> 03:51:55,000 IRAQ. 6564 03:51:55,001 --> 03:51:56,000 BY STRETCHING OURSELVES TOO THIN 6565 03:51:56,001 --> 03:51:59,000 SO WE COULDN'T DO THE RIGHT 6566 03:51:59,001 --> 03:52:00,000 THING IN AFGHANISTAN. 6567 03:52:00,001 --> 03:52:03,000 NOW, WHAT IS THAT PRICE THAT 6568 03:52:03,001 --> 03:52:04,000 WE'RE PAYING? 6569 03:52:04,001 --> 03:52:06,000 NOW AFTER YEARS AFTER THE 6570 03:52:06,001 --> 03:52:08,000 INITIAL SUCCESS OF DRIVING THE 6571 03:52:08,001 --> 03:52:10,000 TALIBAN OUT, THE TALIBAN'S 6572 03:52:10,001 --> 03:52:13,000 RADICAL ISLAMIC THREAT IS 6573 03:52:13,001 --> 03:52:16,000 GROWING AND THE RESPONSE TO THIS 6574 03:52:16,001 --> 03:52:20,000 THREAT -- SEND IN MORE U.S. 6575 03:52:20,001 --> 03:52:23,000 COMBAT TROOPS. 6576 03:52:23,001 --> 03:52:25,000 WHENEVER THAT'S BEEN TRIED 6577 03:52:25,001 --> 03:52:26,000 JUST A SIMPLE ANSWER, IT'S 6578 03:52:26,001 --> 03:52:28,000 FAILED. 6579 03:52:28,001 --> 03:52:31,000 WHENEVER THERE'S BEEN UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE THAT 6580 03:52:31,001 --> 03:52:33,000 WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH, THAT 6581 03:52:33,001 --> 03:52:38,000 STRATEGY OF SENDING IN MORE U.S. 6582 03:52:38,001 --> 03:52:41,000 COMBAT UNITS HAS NOT WORKED, 6583 03:52:41,001 --> 03:52:45,000 WHETHER IN VIETNAM OR 6584 03:52:45,001 --> 03:52:47,000 AFGHANISTAN OR ANYWHERE 6585 03:52:47,001 --> 03:52:50,000 FOREIGN TROOPS IN A FOREIGN LAND 6586 03:52:50,001 --> 03:52:54,000 FIGHTING AS COMBAT UNITS WILL 6587 03:52:54,001 --> 03:52:57,000 ALMOST ALWAYS END UP IN HOSTILE 6588 03:52:57,001 --> 03:52:59,000 TERRITORY AND EVEN T 6589 03:52:59,001 --> 03:53:00,000 INCLINED OTHERWISE WILL 6590 03:53:00,001 --> 03:53:03,000 EVENTUALLY TURN AGAINST FOREIGN 6591 03:53:03,001 --> 03:53:04,000 TROOPS TO SIDE WITH THEIR OWN 6592 03:53:04,001 --> 03:53:08,000 COUNTRYMEN. 6593 03:53:08,001 --> 03:53:09,000 THAT DYNAMIC IS VERY EASY TO IDENTIFY. 6594 03:53:09,001 --> 03:53:12,000 PRESIDENT OBAMA IS BEING ASKED 6595 03:53:12,001 --> 03:53:15,000 BY GENERAL MCCHRYSTAL WHO I 6596 03:53:15,001 --> 03:53:18,000 DEEPLY ADMIRE TO SEND 35,000 6597 03:53:18,001 --> 03:53:19,000 MORE U.S. COMBAT TROOPS INTO AFGHANISTAN. 6598 03:53:19,001 --> 03:53:21,000 IF MY EXPERIENCE TELLS ME 6599 03:53:21,001 --> 03:53:24,000 ANYTHING IT IS THAT THE 6600 03:53:24,001 --> 03:53:26,000 INTRODUCTION OF MORE U.S. COMBAT 6601 03:53:26,001 --> 03:53:28,000 UNITS INTO AFGHANISTAN WILL BE 6602 03:53:28,001 --> 03:53:29,000 COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND PERHAPS 6603 03:53:29,001 --> 03:53:32,000 DISASTROUS. 6604 03:53:32,001 --> 03:53:34,000 AND THE LIKELY DOWNSIDE TO 6605 03:53:34,001 --> 03:53:38,000 SENDING MORE U.S. COMBAT TROOPS 6606 03:53:38,001 --> 03:53:45,000 IS RECOGNIZED BY OUR OWN U.S. 6607 03:53:45,001 --> 03:53:47,000 AMBASSADOR TO AFGHANISTAN. 6608 03:53:47,001 --> 03:53:49,000 HE IS A CAREER MILITARY OFFICER 6609 03:53:49,001 --> 03:53:51,000 WITH IMPECCABLE CREDENTIALS AND 6610 03:53:51,001 --> 03:53:54,000 AN EXEMPLARY RECORD. 6611 03:53:54,001 --> 03:53:55,000 HE HAS TOLD PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT 6612 03:53:55,001 --> 03:53:58,000 MORE U.S. TROOPS WILL MEAN THAT 6613 03:53:58,001 --> 03:54:00,000 THE AFGHANS WILL REMAIN 6614 03:54:00,001 --> 03:54:02,000 DEPENDENT ON OUR MILITARY RATHER 6615 03:54:02,001 --> 03:54:04,000 THAN STEPPING FORWARD AND 6616 03:54:04,001 --> 03:54:06,000 FIGHTING THEIR O BATTLE. 6617 03:54:06,001 --> 03:54:09,000 BY SENDING MORE U.S. COMBAT 6618 03:54:09,001 --> 03:54:12,000 TROOPS WE WILL ENCOURAGE EXACTLY 6619 03:54:12,001 --> 03:54:13,000 THE WRONG BEHAVIOR BY THE 6620 03:54:13,001 --> 03:54:15,000 AFGHANS. 6621 03:54:15,001 --> 03:54:16,000 AND OBVIOUSLY THE AFGHANS HAVE 6622 03:54:16,001 --> 03:54:17,000 PROVED TIME AND AGAIN THAT THEY 6623 03:54:17,001 --> 03:54:19,000 ARE WILLING TO FIGHT. 6624 03:54:19,001 --> 03:54:20,000 THEY'RE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR 6625 03:54:20,001 --> 03:54:22,000 THEIR FAMILIES, FOR THEIR 6626 03:54:22,001 --> 03:54:23,000 VILLAGES, FOR THEIR WAY OF LIFE 6627 03:54:23,001 --> 03:54:25,000 AND, YES, THEY'RE WILLING TO 6628 03:54:25,001 --> 03:54:30,000 FIGHT FOR AFGHANISTAN. 6629 03:54:30,001 --> 03:54:33,000 WELL, THAT IS SO OBVIOUS YET THE 6630 03:54:33,001 --> 03:54:35,000 EASY ANSWER FOR AMERICA'S 6631 03:54:35,001 --> 03:54:37,000 DECISIONMAKERS IS TO SEND MORE 6632 03:54:37,001 --> 03:54:40,000 U.S. COMBAT TROOPS. 6633 03:54:40,001 --> 03:54:41,000 WELL, EASY ANSWERS HAVE SUCH -- 6634 03:54:41,001 --> 03:54:44,000 HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF APPEAL TO 6635 03:54:44,001 --> 03:54:47,000 POWER BROKERS BUT EVENY -- EASY 6636 03:54:47,001 --> 03:54:51,000 ANSWERS DON'T -- USUALLY DON'T E THE PROBLEM. 6637 03:54:51,001 --> 03:54:54,000 YES, SENDING MORE U.S. COMBAT 6638 03:54:54,001 --> 03:54:57,000 TROOPS SOUNDS LESS COMPLICATED 6639 03:54:57,001 --> 03:54:59,000 THAN HAVING TO DEAL WITH 6640 03:54:59,001 --> 03:55:01,000 AFGHANISTAN ETHNIC, TRIBAL AND 6641 03:55:01,001 --> 03:55:03,000 VILLAGE LEADERS ON THE GROUND. 6642 03:55:03,001 --> 03:55:06,000 SENDING MORE TROOPS SOUNDS A LOT 6643 03:55:06,001 --> 03:55:10,000 EASIER AND LESS COMPLICATED THAN 6644 03:55:10,001 --> 03:55:11,000 UNDOING THE HORRENDOUS STRATEGIC 6645 03:55:11,001 --> 03:55:16,000 MISTAKES OUR STATE DEPARTMENT 6646 03:55:16,001 --> 03:55:18,000 HAS MADE IN FORCING A FOREIGN 6647 03:55:18,001 --> 03:55:19,000 STRUCTURE ON TO AFGHAN SOCIETY 6648 03:55:19,001 --> 03:55:20,000 SINCE 9/11. 6649 03:55:20,001 --> 03:55:24,000 IN SHORT, OUR GOVERNMENT HAS 6650 03:55:24,001 --> 03:55:27,000 TRIED TO FORCE THE PEOPLE OF 6651 03:55:27,001 --> 03:55:29,000 AFGHANISTAN TO ACCEPT 6652 03:55:29,001 --> 03:55:31,000 CENTRALIZED RULE FROM KABUL AND 6653 03:55:31,001 --> 03:55:33,000 EVEN IF KABUL, EVEN 6654 03:55:33,001 --> 03:55:34,000 GOVERNMENT WASN'T CORRUPT, EVEN 6655 03:55:34,001 --> 03:55:36,000 IF KARZAI'S BROTHER WASN'T A 6656 03:55:36,001 --> 03:55:38,000 DRUG DEALER, THE CENTRALIZED 6657 03:55:38,001 --> 03:55:40,000 POWER AND DECISIONMAKING THAT WE 6658 03:55:40,001 --> 03:55:42,000 HAVE TRIED TO FORCE ON THE 6659 03:55:42,001 --> 03:55:44,000 AFGHAN PEOPLE, OR AT LEAST 6660 03:55:44,001 --> 03:55:47,000 SUPPORTED THAT BEING PUT ON 6661 03:55:47,001 --> 03:55:53,000 THEM, IS TOTALLY CONTRARY TO THE 6662 03:55:53,001 --> 03:55:54,000 AFGHAN HISTORY AND CULTURE. 6663 03:55:54,001 --> 03:55:57,000 THESE PEOPLE ARE BRAVE. 6664 03:55:57,001 --> 03:56:00,000 THEY WILL NOT BE SUBDUED AND 6665 03:56:00,001 --> 03:56:02,000 PACIFIED BY A KABUL ARMY OR 6666 03:56:02,001 --> 03:56:04,000 ESPECIALLY BY A FOREIGN ARMY, 6667 03:56:04,001 --> 03:56:06,000 EVEN IF IT'S OUR ARMY. NO. 6668 03:56:06,001 --> 03:56:08,000 WE MUST MAKE ALLIES OF THE 6669 03:56:08,001 --> 03:56:12,000 BRAVE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN, 6670 03:56:12,001 --> 03:56:14,000 NOT SEND IN MORE U.S. COMBAT 6671 03:56:14,001 --> 03:56:15,000 TROOPS TO FIGHT THEM. 6672 03:56:15,001 --> 03:56:19,000 EVEN IF OUR TROOPS FIGHT 6673 03:56:19,001 --> 03:56:21,000 AGAINST THEIR ENEMIES, 6674 03:56:21,001 --> 03:56:23,000 STILL WRONG BECAUSE EVEN IF 6675 03:56:23,001 --> 03:56:24,000 WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST THE 6676 03:56:24,001 --> 03:56:25,000 TALIBAN, WHAT ARE OUR ENEMY, 6677 03:56:25,001 --> 03:56:27,000 WRONG. 6678 03:56:27,001 --> 03:56:30,000 BECAUSE IT CREATES A DEPENDENCY 6679 03:56:30,001 --> 03:56:32,000 OF THE OTHER AFGHANS ON US TO 6680 03:56:32,001 --> 03:56:35,000 DO THEIR FIGHTING. 6681 03:56:35,001 --> 03:56:37,000 AND INHE LONG RUN, THE BRAVE, 6682 03:56:37,001 --> 03:56:38,000 COURAGEOUS PEOPLE OF 6683 03:56:38,001 --> 03:56:40,000 AFGHANIS 6684 03:56:40,001 --> 03:56:41,000 THAT WE HAVE MADE THEM 6685 03:56:41,001 --> 03:56:45,000 DEPENDENT UPON US. 6686 03:56:45,001 --> 03:56:48,000 THAT WILL NOT BE APPRECIATED. 6687 03:56:48,001 --> 03:56:50,000 THEY ARE -- THEY ARE PEOPLE OF 6688 03:56:50,001 --> 03:56:54,000 TREMENDO 6689 03:56:54,001 --> 03:56:55,000 I WALKED TO -- WALKED 6690 03:56:55,001 --> 03:56:59,000 AFGHANISTAN THAT ONE WEEK I 6691 03:56:59,001 --> 03:57:01,000 SPENT IN JALABAD. 6692 03:57:01,001 --> 03:57:02,000 THESE PEOPLE IF THEY GOT 6693 03:57:02,001 --> 03:57:04,000 WOUNDED, THEY WERE GONE. 6694 03:57:04,001 --> 03:57:05,000 THERE WAS NO MEDICAL 6695 03:57:05,001 --> 03:57:07,000 EVACUATION. 6696 03:57:07,001 --> 03:57:08,000 WHEN THEY WERE WOUND, -- 6697 03:57:08,001 --> 03:57:10,000 WOUNDED, THEY DIDN'T CRY OUT IN PAIN. 6698 03:57:10,001 --> 03:57:11,000 YOU HAD YOUNG PEOPLE THERE 6699 03:57:11,001 --> 03:57:13,000 FIGHTING ALONGSIDE ELDERLY PEOPLE. 6700 03:57:13,001 --> 03:57:16,000 THESE PEOPLE WERE A COUNTRY. 6701 03:57:16,001 --> 03:57:18,000 A BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS COUNTRY. 6702 03:57:18,001 --> 03:57:20,000 AND I REMBER AS WE WALKED 6703 03:57:20,001 --> 03:57:21,000 THROUGH THE COUNTRY SIDE, 6704 03:57:21,001 --> 03:57:24,000 PEOPLE, THE SOUTHERN PART OF 6705 03:57:24,001 --> 03:57:26,000 THAT COUNTRY HAD BEEN BLOWN 6706 03:57:26,001 --> 03:57:27,000 ASUNDER BY SOVIET AIRPLANES, 6707 03:57:27,001 --> 03:57:29,000 PEOPLE WERE LIVING IN CAVES AND 6708 03:57:29,001 --> 03:57:32,000 THEY WOULD COME OUT THEY DIDN'T 6709 03:57:32,001 --> 03:57:34,000 KNOW THAT I WASN'T AN AFGHAN, 6710 03:57:34,001 --> 03:57:38,000 THEY DIDN'T KNOW I WAS AN AMERICAN. 6711 03:57:38,001 --> 03:57:39,000 I HAD A BEARD, AN AK-47 STRAP 6712 03:57:39,001 --> 03:57:43,000 AID CROSS MY SHOULDER, THEY 6713 03:57:43,001 --> 03:57:45,000 CAME AND SAID, LET US, 6714 03:57:45,001 --> 03:57:47,000 MUJAHIDEEN, OUR BROTHER, LET US 6715 03:57:47,001 --> 03:57:49,000 GIVE YOU SOME TEA AND BREAD. 6716 03:57:49,001 --> 03:57:52,000 THE PEOPLE WOULD COME OUT OF 6717 03:57:52,001 --> 03:57:55,000 CAVES WHERE THEIR FAMILIES WERE 6718 03:57:55,001 --> 03:57:57,000 LIVING, AS WE LEFT, SOME OF THE 6719 03:57:57,001 --> 03:57:59,000 MUJAHIDEEN LEADERS WITH ME 6720 03:57:59,001 --> 03:58:01,000 SAID, THAT'S ALL THE BREAD THEY 6721 03:58:01,001 --> 03:58:02,000 HAD, THEIR FAMILY WOULD NOT -- 6722 03:58:02,001 --> 03:58:03,000 WILL NOT HAVE THAT BREAD 6723 03:58:03,001 --> 03:58:05,000 TONIGHT. 6724 03:58:05,001 --> 03:58:08,000 WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE THEY? 6725 03:58:08,001 --> 03:58:10,000 THEY ARE PEOPLE OF 6726 03:58:10,001 --> 03:58:12,000 INTEGRITY, SHARING THEIR BREAD 6727 03:58:12,001 --> 03:58:13,000 BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THAT 6728 03:58:13,001 --> 03:58:14,000 NATIONAL EFFORT. 6729 03:58:14,001 --> 03:58:16,000 WE DON'T WANT THAT POWER AND 6730 03:58:16,001 --> 03:58:18,000 STRENGTH TURNED AGAINST US. 6731 03:58:18,001 --> 03:58:20,000 WE WANT THEM ON OUR SIDE AND WE 6732 03:58:20,001 --> 03:58:22,000 MUST BE ON THEIR SIDE, SENDING 6733 03:58:22,001 --> 03:58:25,000 MORE U.S. COMBAT TROOPS WILL 6734 03:58:25,001 --> 03:58:28,000 NOT DO THAT, ACCOMPLISH THAT MISSION. 6735 03:58:28,001 --> 03:58:32,000 U.S. ARMY GENERAL -- EXCUSE ME, 6736 03:58:32,001 --> 03:58:35,000 U.S. ARMY MAJOR JIM GAFFEE HAS 6737 03:58:35,001 --> 03:58:37,000 WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED ONE TRIBE 6738 03:58:37,001 --> 03:58:40,000 TIME. 6739 03:58:40,001 --> 03:58:41,000 IN IT HE TELLS OF BEING EMBED 6740 03:58:41,001 --> 03:58:43,000 WITH AFGHAN VILLAGERS. 6741 03:58:43,001 --> 03:58:45,000 HE LAYS OUT A STRATEGY TO 6742 03:58:45,001 --> 03:58:47,000 DEFEAT THE TALIBAN FROM THE 6743 03:58:47,001 --> 03:58:49,000 THE TOP DOWN. 6744 03:58:49,001 --> 03:58:51,000 CERTAINLY, WE WILL DEFEAT THEM 6745 03:58:51,001 --> 03:58:52,000 NOT BY SENDING IN MORE AMERICAN 6746 03:58:52,001 --> 03:58:55,000 COMBAT UNITS TO DO THE 6747 03:58:55,001 --> 03:58:56,000 FIGHTING, BUT INSTEAD, LET 6748 03:58:56,001 --> 03:58:58,000 THESE FEROCIOUS PEOPLE DO THEIR 6749 03:58:58,001 --> 03:59:00,000 OWN FIGHTING WITH OUR SUPPORT. 6750 03:59:00,001 --> 03:59:03,000 IT'S A COST-EFFECTIVE PLAN AND 6751 03:59:03,001 --> 03:59:05,000 EVEN THOUGH IT'S 6752 03:59:05,001 --> 03:59:07,000 THAN SIMPLY SENDING MORE 6753 03:59:07,001 --> 03:59:09,000 TROOPS, IT'S THE ONLY PLAN THAT 6754 03:59:09,001 --> 03:59:11,000 CAN SUCCEED. 6755 03:59:11,001 --> 03:59:13,000 IT'S FOCUSED ON SENDING OUR 6756 03:59:13,001 --> 03:59:17,000 TEAMS, COMBAT TEAMS TO LIVE 6757 03:59:17,001 --> 03:59:19,000 WITH THE 6758 03:59:19,001 --> 03:59:22,000 VILLAGES, HELPING THEM BUILD 6759 03:59:22,001 --> 03:59:24,000 THEIR MILITIA STCTURE, 6760 03:59:24,001 --> 03:59:25,000 PROVIDING THEM GUNS AND AM MOE 6761 03:59:25,001 --> 03:59:27,000 AND BUYING GOOD WILL AMONG 6762 03:59:27,001 --> 03:59:29,000 THEIR LEADERS AND PERHAPS 6763 03:59:29,001 --> 03:59:31,000 HELPING THEM REBUILD THEIR 6764 03:59:31,001 --> 03:59:32,000 COUNTRY'S INFRASTRUCTURE. 6765 03:59:32,001 --> 03:59:34,000 PERHAPS A CLINIC IN THE REGION, 6766 03:59:34,001 --> 03:59:36,000 PERHAPS HELPING THEM GET A 6767 03:59:36,001 --> 03:59:37,000 CLEAN WATER SUPPLY. 6768 03:59:37,001 --> 03:59:39,000 AFTER BEGAN -- AFGHAN HAS THE 6769 03:59:39,001 --> 03:59:41,000 THIRD HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY 6770 03:59:41,001 --> 03:59:47,000 RATE OF ANY COUNTRY IN THE 6771 03:59:47,001 --> 03:59:49,000 WORLD. 6772 03:59:49,001 --> 03:59:52,000 YET WE WANT TO SPEND OUR MONEY 6773 03:59:52,001 --> 03:59:54,000 SENDING TROOP AFTER WE PROMISED 6774 03:59:54,001 --> 03:59:56,000 TO HELP THEM REBUILD THEIR SOCIETY. 6775 03:59:56,001 --> 03:59:57,000 THEY STILL LOSE THEIR CHILDREN 6776 03:59:57,001 --> 04:00:00,000 NOT JUST TO LAND MINES THAT 6777 04:00:00,001 --> 04:00:01,000 WEREN'T CLEARED OFF BUT TO THE 6778 04:00:01,001 --> 04:00:03,000 DIRTY WATTER THAT DESTROY 6779 04:00:03,001 --> 04:00:06,000 THEIRS CHILDREN'S LIVES AND 6780 04:00:06,001 --> 04:00:07,000 MAKES THEM SICK AND MAKES 6781 04:00:07,001 --> 04:00:08,000 DIE OF DIARRHEA, IT'S A 6782 04:00:08,001 --> 04:00:09,000 TERRIBLE THING. 6783 04:00:09,001 --> 04:00:12,000 WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF THE 6784 04:00:12,001 --> 04:00:14,000 35,000 TROOPS THAT IS BEING 6785 04:00:14,001 --> 04:00:16,000 SUGGESTED WE SEND TO AFGHANISTAN? 6786 04:00:16,001 --> 04:00:18,000 ALREADY I'M SAYING THAT THE 6787 04:00:18,001 --> 04:00:20,000 STRATEGY DOESN'T WORK, BUT WHAT 6788 04:00:20,001 --> 04:00:24,000 IS THE ACTUAL FINANCIAL COST? 6789 04:00:24,001 --> 04:00:26,000 THE COST IS $35 BILLION. 6790 04:00:26,001 --> 04:00:28,000 $1 BILLION FOR EVERY 1,000 6791 04:00:28,001 --> 04:00:30,000 TROOPS. 6792 04:00:30,001 --> 04:00:34,000 ANNUALLY. 6793 04:00:34,001 --> 04:00:36,000 $35 BILLION. 6794 04:00:36,001 --> 04:00:40,000 WE CAN BUY ALL THE GOOD WILL WE 6795 04:00:40,001 --> 04:00:42,000 NEED AND WE CAN HELP 6796 04:00:42,001 --> 04:00:43,000 AFGHANISTAN FOR FATHER LESS 6797 04:00:43,001 --> 04:00:46,000 THAN IT WILL -- FOR FAR LESS 6798 04:00:46,001 --> 04:00:50,000 THAN IT WILL COSTOR ONE YEAR 6799 04:00:50,001 --> 04:00:51,000 WITH 35,000 COMBAT 6800 04:00:51,001 --> 04:00:52,000 $1 BILLION WE COULD BUY THE 6801 04:00:52,001 --> 04:00:55,000 GOOD WILL OF THE TRIBAL AND 6802 04:00:55,001 --> 04:00:57,000 ETHNIC LEADERS. 6803 04:00:57,001 --> 04:00:59,000 FOR A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF 6804 04:00:59,001 --> 04:01:01,000 MONEY WE CAN HELP THEM BUILD UP 6805 04:01:01,001 --> 04:01:03,000 THEIR OWN MILITIAS IN WHICH 6806 04:01:03,001 --> 04:01:05,000 THEY CAN DEFEND 6807 04:01:05,001 --> 04:01:08,000 NOT WORRY IS THE U.S. GOING TO 6808 04:01:08,001 --> 04:01:11,000 GO AWAY AND LEAVE US VULNERABLE? 6809 04:01:11,001 --> 04:01:13,000 AMERICANS CANNOT PATROL, 6810 04:01:13,001 --> 04:01:15,000 SUBDUE, AND PACIFY EVERY AREA 6811 04:01:15,001 --> 04:01:18,000 OF THE GLOBE WHERE HOSTILE 6812 04:01:18,001 --> 04:01:20,000 FORCES LURK, ESPECIALLY IN AFGHANISTAN. 6813 04:01:20,001 --> 04:01:24,000 IT WILL BREAK OUR BANK. 6814 04:01:24,001 --> 04:01:25,000 OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN IN 6815 04:01:25,001 --> 04:01:26,000 ARMED SERVICES WILL BE 6816 04:01:26,001 --> 04:01:28,000 UNNECESSARILY KILLED AND 6817 04:01:28,001 --> 04:01:30,000 MAIMED. 6818 04:01:30,001 --> 04:01:32,000 AND IN THE END, THE SAME THING 6819 04:01:32,001 --> 04:01:35,000 WILL HAPPEN TO US THAT HAPPENED 6820 04:01:35,001 --> 04:01:36,000 TO THE SOVIET EMPIRE. 6821 04:01:36,001 --> 04:01:37,000 IT WILL BREAK OUR BANK. 6822 04:01:37,001 --> 04:01:40,000 AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL 6823 04:01:40,001 --> 04:01:45,000 NOT BE WILLING TO SHOULDER RESPONSIBILITY ANYWHERE IN THE 6824 04:01:45,001 --> 04:01:46,000 WORLD BECAUSE OF THE HORRENDOUS 6825 04:01:46,001 --> 04:01:49,000 COMPLICATIONS THAT HAVE ARISEN 6826 04:01:49,001 --> 04:01:50,000 FROM OUR JUMPING IN TO DOING 6827 04:01:50,001 --> 04:01:52,000 THE BATTLE FOR EVERYONE IN 6828 04:01:52,001 --> 04:01:55,000 AFGHANISTAN AND OTHER PLACES OF THE WORLD. 6829 04:01:55,001 --> 04:01:57,000 AND YES, WE DO NEED TO USE OUR 6830 04:01:57,001 --> 04:01:59,000 MILITARY FORCES IN PLACES. 6831 04:01:59,001 --> 04:02:01,000 BUT IF WE DO THIS, IF WE SEND 6832 04:02:01,001 --> 04:02:03,000 THEM OFF TO MISSIONS THAT CAN'T 6833 04:02:03,001 --> 04:02:05,000 BE ACCOMPLISHED, WE ARE NOT 6834 04:02:05,001 --> 04:02:09,000 DOING OUR DUTY BY THEM. 6835 04:02:09,001 --> 04:02:11,000 IF -- HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? 6836 04:02:11,001 --> 04:02:12,000 IF THERE ARE TWO MILITARY 6837 04:02:12,001 --> 04:02:15,000 TRUISMS, HISTORY LESSONS THAT 6838 04:02:15,001 --> 04:02:17,000 SOUF BEEN LEARNED IN THE LAST 6839 04:02:17,001 --> 04:02:20,000 CENTURY, THEY ARE, DON'T MARCH 6840 04:02:20,001 --> 04:02:23,000 ON MOSCOW, AND DON'T INVADE 6841 04:02:23,001 --> 04:02:25,000 AFGHANISTAN. 6842 04:02:25,001 --> 04:02:27,000 AFGHANISTAN WILL NOT FALL TO 6843 04:02:27,001 --> 04:02:29,000 THE TALIBAN IF WE SUPPORT THOSE 6844 04:02:29,001 --> 04:02:31,000 BRAVE PEOPLE WHO DEFEATED THE 6845 04:02:31,001 --> 04:02:34,000 TALIBAN. 6846 04:02:34,001 --> 04:02:36,000 RUSH TO CENTRALIZE POW FOR THE 6847 04:02:36,001 --> 04:02:39,000 KABUL, ACTUALLY ORGANIZED THE 6848 04:02:39,001 --> 04:02:42,000 EFFORT AND PUSHED THE POLICY OF 6849 04:02:42,001 --> 04:02:43,000 DISARMING THE ANTI-TALIBAN 6850 04:02:43,001 --> 04:02:46,000 NORTHERN ALLIANCE AFTER THEIR 6851 04:02:46,001 --> 04:02:48,000 INITIAL VICTORY. 6852 04:02:48,001 --> 04:02:50,000 THEY HAVE 6853 04:02:50,001 --> 04:02:52,000 DWOTCH THE MILITIAS, EVERY 6854 04:02:52,001 --> 04:02:56,000 VILLAGE IN AFGHANISTAN, EVERY 6855 04:02:56,001 --> 04:02:58,000 MALE CHILD, IS CONSIDERED TO BE 6856 04:02:58,001 --> 04:03:01,000 PART OF THE GROUP AND IS 6857 04:03:01,001 --> 04:03:04,000 EXPECTED TO LEARN TO USE THE 6858 04:03:04,001 --> 04:03:06,000 WEAPONS OF THE DAY. 6859 04:03:06,001 --> 04:03:07,000 THAT MILITIA, WE CAN MOBILIZE THAT. 6860 04:03:07,001 --> 04:03:09,000 WHEN THEY SAY TO US AGAIN, AND 6861 04:03:09,001 --> 04:03:12,000 I'VE READ THESE ACCOUNTS OVER 6862 04:03:12,001 --> 04:03:14,000 AND OVER AGAIN, THEY ARE AFRAID 6863 04:03:14,001 --> 04:03:15,000 AMERICA WILL ABANDON THEM AGAIN. 6864 04:03:15,001 --> 04:03:17,000 WHY ARE THEY AFRAID? 6865 04:03:17,001 --> 04:03:18,000 WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM THE 6866 04:03:18,001 --> 04:03:19,000 TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. 6867 04:03:19,001 --> 04:03:21,000 WE SHOULD NOT ONLY GIVE THEM 6868 04:03:21,001 --> 04:03:23,000 THE MEANS, BUT HELP THEM, 6869 04:03:23,001 --> 04:03:25,000 SUPPORT THEM, PROVIDE THEM 6870 04:03:25,001 --> 04:03:27,000 SUPPORT, GIVE THEM THE 6871 04:03:27,001 --> 04:03:29,000 FINANCIAL SUPPORT AND 6872 04:03:29,001 --> 04:03:30,000 COMMUNICATIONS GEAR SO THEY CAN 6873 04:03:30,001 --> 04:03:32,000 ACCOMPLISH VICTORY AGAINST 6874 04:03:32,001 --> 04:03:34,000 RADICAL ISLAM. 6875 04:03:34,001 --> 04:03:36,000 THAT'S THE ONLY WAY RADICAL 6876 04:03:36,001 --> 04:03:37,000 ISLAM CAN BE DEFEATED, NOT BY 6877 04:03:37,001 --> 04:03:39,000 SENDING TROOPS ALL OVER THE 6878 04:03:39,001 --> 04:03:41,000 WORLD AND INTO AFGHANISTAN. 6879 04:03:41,001 --> 04:03:42,000 YET OUR FOREIGN SERVICE 6880 04:03:42,001 --> 04:03:44,000 CONTINUES TO RELY ON MORE 6881 04:03:44,001 --> 04:03:46,000 FOREIGN TROOPS AND YES, ON 6882 04:03:46,001 --> 04:03:47,000 BUILDING A NATIONAL ARMY IN 6883 04:03:47,001 --> 04:03:49,000 AFGHANISTAN THAT WILL BE 6884 04:03:49,001 --> 04:03:50,000 CONTROLLED BY THE GOVERNMENT IN 6885 04:03:50,001 --> 04:03:53,000 KABUL. 6886 04:03:53,001 --> 04:03:56,000 A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT WHO IS -- 6887 04:03:56,001 --> 04:03:57,000 PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN AND NOT 6888 04:03:57,001 --> 04:03:58,000 EVEN TRUSTED BY OUR OWN 6889 04:03:58,001 --> 04:04:00,000 LEADERS. 6890 04:04:00,001 --> 04:04:02,000 THIS IS EXACTLY THE WRONG 6891 04:04:02,001 --> 04:04:04,000 APPROACH. 6892 04:04:04,001 --> 04:04:07,000 INSTEAD, AS I SAY, WE SHOULD 6893 04:04:07,001 --> 04:04:09,000 ARM EVERY VILLAGE MILITIA WHICH 6894 04:04:09,001 --> 04:04:12,000 WILL ALIGN WITH US. 6895 04:04:12,001 --> 04:04:15,000 ANY VILLAGE MILITIA THAT WILL 6896 04:04:15,001 --> 04:04:17,000 ASHRINE -- ALIGN WITH US, WE 6897 04:04:17,001 --> 04:04:18,000 SHOULD BE ON THEIR SIDE. 6898 04:04:18,001 --> 04:04:20,000 WE SHOULD GIVE THEM GUNS, AMMO 6899 04:04:20,001 --> 04:04:22,000 AND COMMUNICATIONS GEAR. 6900 04:04:22,001 --> 04:04:25,000 LET'S HAVE SPECIAL FORCES TEAMS 6901 04:04:25,001 --> 04:04:26,000 EMBEDDED IN THE VILLAGES LIKE 6902 04:04:26,001 --> 04:04:29,000 MAJOR JIM GRANT HAS TOLD US 6903 04:04:29,001 --> 04:04:32,000 WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE STRATEGY. 6904 04:04:32,001 --> 04:04:35,000 THAT STRATEGY, AND BUYING THE 6905 04:04:35,001 --> 04:04:37,000 GOOD WILL OF TRAL LEADERS, OF 6906 04:04:37,001 --> 04:04:40,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE 6907 04:04:40,001 --> 04:04:41,000 THEIR -- THIS IS A NATURALLY DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY FROM THE 6908 04:04:41,001 --> 04:04:43,000 BOTTOM UP. 6909 04:04:43,001 --> 04:04:44,000 BY THE WAY, OUR COULDN'T ARERY 6910 04:04:44,001 --> 04:04:46,000 WOULD HAVE FD WE 6911 04:04:46,001 --> 04:04:47,000 INSISTED THAT ALL THE POWER, 6912 04:04:47,001 --> 04:04:48,000 POLITICAL POWER IN OUR COUNTRY 6913 04:04:48,001 --> 04:04:49,000 WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE CENTRAL 6914 04:04:49,001 --> 04:04:51,000 GOVERNMENT. 6915 04:04:51,001 --> 04:04:52,000 IT'S THE STATES IN OUR COUNTRY 6916 04:04:52,001 --> 04:04:56,000 THAT CONTROL THE EDUCATION. 6917 04:04:56,001 --> 04:04:58,000 IT'S THE STATES THAT BASICALLY 6918 04:04:58,001 --> 04:04:59,000 CONTROL THE POLICE AND THE 6919 04:04:59,001 --> 04:05:01,000 JUSTICE OF OUR PEOPLE. 6920 04:05:01,001 --> 04:05:03,000 AND HAD WE NOT HAD THAT POLICY 6921 04:05:03,001 --> 04:05:04,000 FROM DAY ONE, OUR COUNTRY WOULD 6922 04:05:04,001 --> 04:05:06,000 NOT HAVE SUCCEEDED. 6923 04:05:06,001 --> 04:05:08,000 EEN TRYING TO 6924 04:05:08,001 --> 04:05:11,000 PUSH ON PEOPLE 6925 04:05:11,001 --> 04:05:13,000 MORE PROTECTIVE OF THEIR RIGHTS 6926 04:05:13,001 --> 04:05:14,000 TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS -- 6927 04:05:14,001 --> 04:05:15,000 DECISIONS FOR THEIR OWN 6928 04:05:15,001 --> 04:05:16,000 VILLAGES. 6929 04:05:16,001 --> 04:05:17,000 WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH A CENTRAL 6930 04:05:17,001 --> 04:05:19,000 GOVERNMENT ON THEM WHICH THEY 6931 04:05:19,001 --> 04:05:21,000 DON'T EVEN KNOW. 6932 04:05:21,001 --> 04:05:23,000 WELL THAT STRATEGY OF BUYING 6933 04:05:23,001 --> 04:05:25,000 THE GOOD WILL TRIBAL LEADERS 6934 04:05:25,001 --> 04:05:27,000 WILL CARRY THE DAY. 6935 04:05:27,001 --> 04:05:29,000 WE CAN GO IN AND IDENTIFY WITH 6936 04:05:29,001 --> 04:05:31,000 THESE LEADERS THERE, WORK WITH 6937 04:05:31,001 --> 04:05:34,000 THEM, WORK WITH THEIR PEOPLE, 6938 04:05:34,001 --> 04:05:36,000 THAT IS A STRATEGY. 6939 04:05:36,001 --> 04:05:39,000 YES, THERE -- AS THE MAJOR 6940 04:05:39,001 --> 04:05:41,000 SAYS, THERE'S RISK IN THIS BUT 6941 04:05:41,001 --> 04:05:43,000 THE GREATER RISK IS A STRATEGY 6942 04:05:43,001 --> 04:05:44,000 OF SEND MANAGER COMBAT UNITS 6943 04:05:44,001 --> 04:05:45,000 WHICH RUMBLE THROUGH THE 6944 04:05:45,001 --> 04:05:48,000 COUNTRYSIDE, I MET WITH A GROUP 6945 04:05:48,001 --> 04:05:50,000 OF AFGHAN 6946 04:05:50,001 --> 04:05:52,000 WEEK, AND THEY TOLD ME THAT 6947 04:05:52,001 --> 04:05:53,000 WHAT THEY WERE TOLD TO DO BUT 6948 04:05:53,001 --> 04:05:56,000 THEIR COMMANDING OFFICERS 6949 04:05:56,001 --> 04:05:57,000 YOU JUST TAKE HIKES THROUGH THE 6950 04:05:57,001 --> 04:05:59,000 COUNTRYSID 6951 04:05:59,001 --> 04:06:00,000 AT AND THEN THEY START FIRING 6952 04:06:00,001 --> 04:06:03,000 BACK. 6953 04:06:03,001 --> 04:06:05,000 OR THEY DRIVE THEIR TRUCKS AND 6954 04:06:05,001 --> 04:06:07,000 THEIR VEHICLES THROUGH THE 6955 04:06:07,001 --> 04:06:09,000 AFGHAN COUNTRYSIDE AND THROUGH 6956 04:06:09,001 --> 04:06:10,000 AFGHAN VILLAGES UNTIL 6957 04:06:10,001 --> 04:06:12,000 SHOT AT ORHEY RUN OVER SOME 6958 04:06:12,001 --> 04:06:14,000 KIND OF EXPLOSIVE DEVICE. 6959 04:06:14,001 --> 04:06:15,000 THEN THEY RETALIATE. 6960 04:06:15,001 --> 04:06:16,000 THAT IS NOT A STRATEGY FOR 6961 04:06:16,001 --> 04:06:17,000 VICTORY. 6962 04:06:17,001 --> 04:06:19,000 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU 6963 04:06:19,001 --> 04:06:21,000 SEND MAJOR COMBAT UNIT I 6964 04:06:21,001 --> 04:06:23,000 COUNTRY RATHER THAN TRYING TO 6965 04:06:23,001 --> 04:06:24,000 DEFEAT THE ENEMY IN THAT 6966 04:06:24,001 --> 04:06:25,000 COUNTRY FROM THE BOTTOM UP, 6967 04:06:25,001 --> 04:06:28,000 RATHER THAN INSERTING SOMETHING 6968 04:06:28,001 --> 04:06:32,000 FROM THE TOP DOWN. 6969 04:06:32,001 --> 04:06:34,000 NO, SUCH A STRATEGY OF HELPING 6970 04:06:34,001 --> 04:06:35,000 THE VILLAGERS THERE IN 6971 04:06:35,001 --> 04:06:37,000 AFGHANISTAN WHO HAVE LIVED 6972 04:06:37,001 --> 04:06:40,000 UNDER THE TALIBAN, THEY HATE 6973 04:06:40,001 --> 04:06:42,000 THE TALIBAN, THEY HAVE SEEN 6974 04:06:42,001 --> 04:06:44,000 THEIR SCHOOL TEACHERS BEHEADED, 6975 04:06:44,001 --> 04:06:46,000 THEY HAVE SEEN THEIR YOUNG 6976 04:06:46,001 --> 04:06:48,000 GIRLSEING TREATED LIKE DIRT 6977 04:06:48,001 --> 04:06:51,000 AND LIKE ANIMALS, THEY DO NOT 6978 04:06:51,001 --> 04:06:53,000 WANT TO LIVE THAT WAY. 6979 04:06:53,001 --> 04:06:54,000 AND THEY WILL NOT SUBMIT TO THE 6980 04:06:54,001 --> 04:06:56,000 TALIBAN UNLESS, OF COURSE, THEY 6981 04:06:56,001 --> 04:06:57,000 AREN'T GIVEN ANY CHANCE TO 6982 04:06:57,001 --> 04:06:58,000 DEFEND THEMSELVES. 6983 04:06:58,001 --> 04:07:00,000 THE STRATEGY OF HELPING THOSE 6984 04:07:00,001 --> 04:07:02,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO FIGHT 6985 04:07:02,001 --> 04:07:04,000 AGAINST THAT FORM OF RADICAL 6986 04:07:04,001 --> 04:07:07,000 ISLAM THAT THEY KNOW AND 6987 04:07:07,001 --> 04:07:08,000 DESPICE, THAT IS A 6988 04:07:08,001 --> 04:07:10,000 COST-EFFECTIVE WAY OF DEALING 6989 04:07:10,001 --> 04:07:11,000 WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT WE 6990 04:07:11,001 --> 04:07:14,000 CONFRONT IN AFGHANISTAN. 6991 04:07:14,001 --> 04:07:15,000 IT WILL COST LESS IN BLOOD. 6992 04:07:15,001 --> 04:07:18,000 WE WON'T BE 6993 04:07:18,001 --> 04:07:19,000 IN HARM'S WAY, AND YES, SOME 6994 04:07:19,001 --> 04:07:21,000 TEAMS THAT GO THERE YES SOME OF 6995 04:07:21,001 --> 04:07:22,000 THESE AMS THAT WILL BE 6996 04:07:22,001 --> 04:07:24,000 EMBEDED WITH THOSE VILLAGERS 6997 04:07:24,001 --> 04:07:26,000 WILL -- SOME MEMBERS OF THOSE 6998 04:07:26,001 --> 04:07:28,000 TEAMS WILL LOSE THEIR LIVES. 6999 04:07:28,001 --> 04:07:32,000 I WOULD SAY, AND MAJOR GANT 7000 04:07:32,001 --> 04:07:33,000 SAYS SO AS WELL, THAT FAR FEWER 7001 04:07:33,001 --> 04:07:34,000 AMERICAN MILITARY PERSONNEL 7002 04:07:34,001 --> 04:07:36,000 WILL LOSE THEIR LIVES THAT WAY 7003 04:07:36,001 --> 04:07:40,000 THAN IF WE CONTINUE THE 7004 04:07:40,001 --> 04:07:41,000 STRATEGY, WHICH IS BASICALLY 7005 04:07:41,001 --> 04:07:43,000 ALIENATING THE P 7006 04:07:43,001 --> 04:07:46,000 AFGHANISTAN WHO EVENTUALLY WILL 7007 04:07:46,001 --> 04:07:48,000 RISE UP AGAINST US, BECAUSE THE 7008 04:07:48,001 --> 04:07:51,000 STRATEGY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT 7009 04:07:51,001 --> 04:07:52,000 TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THEIR OWN -- 7010 04:07:52,001 --> 04:07:53,000 THEIR OWN NEEDS AT THE VILLAGE 7011 04:07:53,001 --> 04:07:57,000 AND TRIBAL LEVEL. 7012 04:07:57,001 --> 04:07:58,000 IT WILL 7013 04:07:58,001 --> 04:08:00,000 IT WILL COST US LESS IN 7014 04:08:00,001 --> 04:08:01,000 TREASURE THAN SENDING MORE 7015 04:08:01,001 --> 04:08:03,000 COMBAT TROOPS. 7016 04:08:03,001 --> 04:08:04,000 TO USE MAJOR GANT'S STRATEGY 7017 04:08:04,001 --> 04:08:06,000 AND A STRATEGY OF WORKING AT 7018 04:08:06,001 --> 04:08:07,000 THE BOTTOM LEVEL RATHER 7019 04:08:07,001 --> 04:08:09,000 JUST SENDING IN MORE TROOPS. 7020 04:08:09,001 --> 04:08:10,000 TO HELP THEM REBUI THEIR 7021 04:08:10,001 --> 04:08:12,000 COUNTRY AT LONG LAST, REBUILD 7022 04:08:12,001 --> 04:08:15,000 THEIR COUNTRY AFTER WE PROMISED 7023 04:08:15,001 --> 04:08:16,000 THEM OF WHAT WE DO AFTER THEY 7024 04:08:16,001 --> 04:08:17,000 DEFEATED THE SOVIET ARMY AND 7025 04:08:17,001 --> 04:08:18,000 AFTER THEY KICKE OUT THE 7026 04:08:18,001 --> 04:08:21,000 TALIBAN. 7027 04:08:21,001 --> 04:08:22,000 BUT WE OWE IT NOT ONLY TO THE 7028 04:08:22,001 --> 04:08:24,000 AFGHAN PEOPLE TO LOOK VERY 7029 04:08:24,001 --> 04:08:27,000 SERIOUSLY ABOUT THIS, BUT WE 7030 04:08:27,001 --> 04:08:28,000 OWE IT TO OUR TROOP NOT TO SEND 7031 04:08:28,001 --> 04:08:29,000 THEM ON A MANAGES THEY CANNOT 7032 04:08:29,001 --> 04:08:30,000 ACCOMPLISH. 7033 04:08:30,001 --> 04:08:31,000 WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THIS 7034 04:08:31,001 --> 04:08:34,000 TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND 7035 04:08:34,001 --> 04:08:37,000 NOT JUST TO PLACE OURSELVESES 7036 04:08:37,001 --> 04:08:40,000 IN A POSITION TO END UP WITH A 7037 04:08:40,001 --> 04:08:42,000 MILITARY, DIPLOMATIC, AND 7038 04:08:42,001 --> 04:08:44,000 FINANCIAL AND HUMAN 7039 04:08:44,001 --> 04:08:46,000 EMBARRASSMENT THAT WE WILL HAVE 7040 04:08:46,001 --> 04:08:49,000 LOST SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY 7041 04:08:49,001 --> 04:08:51,000 LIVES FOR NOTHING, FOR AN 7042 04:08:51,001 --> 04:08:53,000 OUTCOME, ANOTHER QUAGMIRE. 7043 04:08:53,001 --> 04:08:56,000 I HAVE ONE LAST STORY I'D LIKE 7044 04:08:56,001 --> 04:08:59,000 TO END MY SPEECH ON TONIGHT. 7045 04:08:59,001 --> 04:09:01,000 IT'S A STORY THAT I WANT TO 7046 04:09:01,001 --> 04:09:03,000 MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. 7047 04:09:03,001 --> 04:09:06,000 WHAT I AM SAYING TODAY IS NOT 7048 04:09:06,001 --> 04:09:08,000 IN ANY WAY A REFLECTION 7049 04:09:08,001 --> 04:09:09,000 -- A BAD REFLECTION ON OUR 7050 04:09:09,001 --> 04:09:11,000 MILITARY. 7051 04:09:11,001 --> 04:09:13,000 THE FACT IS, I MET WITH OUR 7052 04:09:13,001 --> 04:09:15,000 VETERANS FROM AFGHANISTAN THE 7053 04:09:15,001 --> 04:09:16,000 OTHER DAY -- LAST WEEK IN MY 7054 04:09:16,001 --> 04:09:17,000 OFFICE THEY SUPPT THIS 7055 04:09:17,001 --> 04:09:18,000 STRATEGY. 7056 04:09:18,001 --> 04:09:19,000 JUST BECAUSE I'M SAYING THEY 7057 04:09:19,001 --> 04:09:20,000 CAN'T DO EVERYTHING AND FIGHT 7058 04:09:20,001 --> 04:09:21,000 EVERY BATTLE DOESN'T MEAN I 7059 04:09:21,001 --> 04:09:23,000 DON'T RESPT THEM. 7060 04:09:23,001 --> 04:09:24,000 IN FACT, I BELIEVE THEY ARE 7061 04:09:24,001 --> 04:09:25,000 HEROES. 7062 04:09:25,001 --> 04:09:26,000 EVERY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE 7063 04:09:26,001 --> 04:09:28,000 WILLING TO PUT THEIR LIVES ON 7064 04:09:28,001 --> 04:09:30,000 THE LINE, THEY ARE MEE ROES. 7065 04:09:30,001 --> 04:09:33,000 THEY ARE WILLING TO RISK THEIR LIVES FOR US. 7066 04:09:33,001 --> 04:09:36,000 WE OWE THEM OUR BEST JUDGMENT, 7067 04:09:36,001 --> 04:09:37,000 NOT JUST AN EASYANCE OF SEND 7068 04:09:37,001 --> 04:09:40,000 MANAGER LITARY PEOPLE -- AN 7069 04:09:40,001 --> 04:09:41,000 EASY ANSWER OF SENDING MORE 7070 04:09:41,001 --> 04:09:43,000 MILITARY PEOPLE INTO CONFLICT. 7071 04:09:43,001 --> 04:09:45,000 I GREW UP IN A MARINE FAMILY, 7072 04:09:45,001 --> 04:09:47,000 MY FATHER WAS A LIEUTENANT 7073 04:09:47,001 --> 04:09:49,000 COLONEL IN THE MARINES, WE WERE 7074 04:09:49,001 --> 04:09:50,000 STATIONED AT MARINE BASES UNTIL 7075 04:09:50,001 --> 04:09:52,000 I WA 16. 7076 04:09:52,001 --> 04:09:55,000 MY GRADUATED FROM CAMP 7077 04:09:55,001 --> 04:09:59,000 LEJEUNHIGH SCHOOL IN 1963. 7078 04:09:59,001 --> 04:10:00,000 HIS BEST BUDDY, VERY BEST BUDDY 7079 04:10:00,001 --> 04:10:02,000 GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL WITH 7080 04:10:02,001 --> 04:10:03,000 HIM AND IMMEDIATELY JOINED THE 7081 04:10:03,001 --> 04:10:05,000 MARINE CORPS. 7082 04:10:05,001 --> 04:10:06,000 WHEN HE WAS 17 YEARS OLD. 7083 04:10:06,001 --> 04:10:08,000 DAVID BATTLE. 7084 04:10:08,001 --> 04:10:10,000 DAVID BATTLE JOINED THE MARINE 7085 04:10:10,001 --> 04:10:12,000 CORPS RIGHT AFTER THE GRADUATED 7086 04:10:12,001 --> 04:10:13,000 WITH MY BROTHER AND HE WAS MY 7087 04:10:13,001 --> 04:10:16,000 BROTHER'S BEST FRIEND. 7088 04:10:16,001 --> 04:10:18,000 WELL, YEARS LATER, WHEN I WENT 7089 04:10:18,001 --> 04:10:20,000 TO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH RONALD 7090 04:10:20,001 --> 04:10:22,000 REAGAN, I WENT TO THE INAUGURAL 7091 04:10:22,001 --> 04:10:25,000 CEREMONY AND THEN I HAD OFF FOR 7092 04:10:25,001 --> 04:10:27,000 ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE I WOULD -- 7093 04:10:27,001 --> 04:10:28,000 OR A COUPLE 7094 04:10:28,001 --> 04:10:29,000 WOULD START ON THE PAYROLL IN 7095 04:10:29,001 --> 04:10:31,000 THE WHITE HOUSE. 7096 04:10:31,001 --> 04:10:33,000 MY FAMILY, MY MOTHER AND 7097 04:10:33,001 --> 04:10:36,000 AND BROTHER CAME TO THE 7098 04:10:36,001 --> 04:10:39,000 INAUGURATION IN 1980, THEN WE 7099 04:10:39,001 --> 04:10:41,000 RENTED A CAR AND DROVE TO CAMP 7100 04:10:41,001 --> 04:10:44,000 LEJEUNE, WHERE WE USED TO LIVE, 7101 04:10:44,001 --> 04:10:46,000 TO SEE IF WE COULD REMAKE OLD 7102 04:10:46,001 --> 04:10:48,000 WE FOUND MY BROTHER'S BEST AND 7103 04:10:48,001 --> 04:10:50,000 DEAREST FRIEND, SERGEANT DAVID BATTLE. 7104 04:10:50,001 --> 04:10:51,000 HE WAS WELL ON HIS WAY TO 7105 04:10:51,001 --> 04:10:54,000 RETIREMENT, ALREADY BOUGHT 7106 04:10:54,001 --> 04:10:55,000 HIMSELF, ONLY A COUPLE OF YEARS 7107 04:10:55,001 --> 04:10:57,000 AWAY, BOUGHT HIMSELF 7108 04:10:57,001 --> 04:11:01,000 THAT HE WAS GOING TO DIG CLAMS 7109 04:11:01,001 --> 04:11:02,000 AND MUSSELS AND -- OUT IN THE 7110 04:11:02,001 --> 04:11:04,000 INLANDS IN NORTH CAROLINA AND 7111 04:11:04,001 --> 04:11:06,000 SELL IT TO THE LOCAL FISH 7112 04:11:06,001 --> 04:11:08,000 MARKETS, HE WOULD HAVE HIS RETIREMENT. 7113 04:11:08,001 --> 04:11:11,000 HE'D SERVED TWO TOURS OF DUTY 7114 04:11:11,001 --> 04:11:12,000 IN VIETNAM. 7115 04:11:12,001 --> 04:11:13,000 A WONDERFUL MAN WITH A WONDERFUL 7116 04:11:13,001 --> 04:11:15,000 FAMILY. 7117 04:11:15,001 --> 04:11:16,000 HIS PARENTS WERE THERE, HIS 7118 04:11:16,001 --> 04:11:17,000 LOVELY WIFE WAS THERE WITH THEIR 7119 04:11:17,001 --> 04:11:19,000 TWO CHILDREN AND WE HAD AN 7120 04:11:19,001 --> 04:11:21,000 EVENING THINK A WILL N 7121 04:11:21,001 --> 04:11:24,000 FORGET, A GREAT NORTH CAROLINA EVENING. 7122 04:11:24,001 --> 04:11:25,000 AND THEN THE NEXT DAY MY FAMILY 7123 04:11:25,001 --> 04:11:28,000 DROVE TO WASHINGTON AND I 7124 04:11:28,001 --> 04:11:30,000 ENTERED THE WHITE HOUSE AND 7125 04:11:30,001 --> 04:11:33,000 RESUMED MY AND TOOK MY PLACE AT 7126 04:11:33,001 --> 04:11:37,000 PRESIDENT REAGAN'S STAFF. 7127 04:11:37,001 --> 04:11:38,000 PRESIDENT REAGAN, AS I HAVE 7128 04:11:38,001 --> 04:11:39,000 MENTIONED, SET THE MARINES, 7129 04:11:39,001 --> 04:11:40,000 DEPLOYED OUR AMERICAN MARINES 7130 04:11:40,001 --> 04:11:43,000 INTO BEIRUT. 7131 04:11:43,001 --> 04:11:45,000 IT WAS NOT A GOOD DECISION. 7132 04:11:45,001 --> 04:11:47,000 IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A 7133 04:11:47,001 --> 04:11:48,000 RISKY PROPOSITION AND HAD VERY LITTLE CHANCE OF SUCCESS. 7134 04:11:48,001 --> 04:11:51,000 I 7135 04:11:51,001 --> 04:11:53,000 LOT OF PEOPLE. 7136 04:11:53,001 --> 04:11:54,000 BUT WHAT ESPECIALLY CAUGHT MY 7137 04:11:54,001 --> 04:11:57,000 EYE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THAT 7138 04:11:57,001 --> 04:12:00,000 WAS THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT 7139 04:12:00,001 --> 04:12:01,000 HAD INITIATED A POLICY, A RULE 7140 04:12:01,001 --> 04:12:04,000 OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WAS ACCEPTED 7141 04:12:04,001 --> 04:12:07,000 BY THE MILITARY THAT THE MARINES 7142 04:12:07,001 --> 04:12:10,000 WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO HAVE 7143 04:12:10,001 --> 04:12:13,000 BULLETS IN THEIR GUNS. 7144 04:12:13,001 --> 04:12:16,000 THEIR CLIPS AND RIFLES 7145 04:12:16,001 --> 04:12:17,000 BE IN THEIR RIFLES, IT WOULD BE 7146 04:12:17,001 --> 04:12:19,000 IN POUCHES BECAUSE THE STATE 7147 04:12:19,001 --> 04:12:20,000 DEPARTMENT WAS SO AFRAID THEY 7148 04:12:20,001 --> 04:12:23,000 MIGHT GET TRIGGER HAPPY. 7149 04:12:23,001 --> 04:12:24,000 THEY WERE SHOT AT. 7150 04:12:24,001 --> 04:12:27,000 YEAH. 7151 04:12:27,001 --> 04:12:29,000 SO WE -- I WENT AROUND -- I WENT 7152 04:12:29,001 --> 04:12:32,000 AROUND TO OFFICES IN THE 7153 04:12:32,001 --> 04:12:34,000 HOUSE AND I POUNDED ON THE DESK 7154 04:12:34,001 --> 04:12:38,000 SAYS, -- SAYING, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? 7155 04:12:38,001 --> 04:12:39,000 HOW CAN WE SEND PEOPLE IN AND 7156 04:12:39,001 --> 04:12:40,000 TELL OUR SOLDIERS AND MARINES 7157 04:12:40,001 --> 04:12:41,000 THEY CAN'T HAVE BULLETS IN THEIR 7158 04:12:41,001 --> 04:12:42,000 GUNS? 7159 04:12:42,001 --> 04:12:43,000 THIS IS INSAN 7160 04:12:43,001 --> 04:12:47,000 AND I WAS TOLD OVER AND OVER 7161 04:12:47,001 --> 04:12:48,000 AGAIN, DON'T WORRY, DANA, 7162 04:12:48,001 --> 04:12:51,000 WORRY. 7163 04:12:51,001 --> 04:12:52,000 BUD MCFARLAND, GEORGE SHOLET, 7164 04:12:52,001 --> 04:12:53,000 JIM BAKER, THEY'RE ALL FORMER 7165 04:12:53,001 --> 04:12:55,000 MARINES. 7166 04:12:55,001 --> 04:12:57,000 THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. 7167 04:12:57,001 --> 04:12:59,000 AND IT DIDN'T GET TAKEN CARE OF. 7168 04:12:59,001 --> 04:13:00,000 BECAUSE AFTER I LEFT AND WAS 7169 04:13:00,001 --> 04:13:04,000 ASSURED IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE 7170 04:13:04,001 --> 04:13:08,000 THE BOTTOM OF THE STACK AND 7171 04:13:08,001 --> 04:13:10,000 OUR TROOPS, OUR 7172 04:13:10,001 --> 04:13:12,000 CONTINUED FOR WEEKS TO BE IN 7173 04:13:12,001 --> 04:13:15,000 HARM'S WAY WITHOUT BULLETS IN THEIR GUNS. 7174 04:13:15,001 --> 04:13:16,000 AND AGAIN I ASSUMED THAT THESE 7175 04:13:16,001 --> 04:13:18,000 PEOPLE WERE GOING TO HANDLE IT. 7176 04:13:18,001 --> 04:13:23,000 I WAS TOLD THAT THEY WOULD. 7177 04:13:23,001 --> 04:13:24,000 THEN A HORRIBLE DAY WHEN AN 7178 04:13:24,001 --> 04:13:26,000 ISLAMIC TERRORIST DROVE A TRUCK 7179 04:13:26,001 --> 04:13:31,000 FILLED WITH EXPLOSIVES THROUGH 7180 04:13:31,001 --> 04:13:33,000 THE GUARD GATE OUT 7181 04:13:33,001 --> 04:13:35,000 COMPOUND AND THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST SMILING BECAUSE HE 7182 04:13:35,001 --> 04:13:37,000 KNEW OUR GUARDS COULDN'T STOP 7183 04:13:37,001 --> 04:13:38,000 THEM BECAUSE THEIR GUNS WERE 7184 04:13:38,001 --> 04:13:41,000 UNLOADED AND HE DROVE THAT TRUCK 7185 04:13:41,001 --> 04:13:45,000 INTO THE MARINE BARRACKS AND 7186 04:13:45,001 --> 04:13:46,000 BLEW 290 MARINES TO HELL. 7187 04:13:46,001 --> 04:13:50,000 290 MARINES. 7188 04:13:50,001 --> 04:13:53,000 AND I LOOKED DESPERATELY. 7189 04:13:53,001 --> 04:13:57,000 I LOOKED TO SEE WHO IT WAS AND 7190 04:13:57,001 --> 04:13:58,000 THE FIRST NAME THE LIST OF 7191 04:13:58,001 --> 04:14:01,000 CASUALTIES WAS SERGEANT DAVID 7192 04:14:01,001 --> 04:14:02,000 BATTLE, MY BROTHER'S BEST 7193 04:14:02,001 --> 04:14:04,000 FRIEND. 7194 04:14:04,001 --> 04:14:06,000 I WENT TO MY OFFICE AND I 7195 04:14:06,001 --> 04:14:08,000 THAT DAY. 7196 04:14:08,001 --> 04:14:11,000 AND THEN I STOPPED CRYING 7197 04:14:11,001 --> 04:14:12,000 BECAUSE I SAID, I'M GOING MAKE A 7198 04:14:12,001 --> 04:14:17,000 RESOLUTION RIGHT HERE AND NOW 7199 04:14:17,001 --> 04:14:20,000 THAT I WILL NEVER CEASE TO BE 7200 04:14:20,001 --> 04:14:22,000 PUSHING AND PUSHING AND TRY TO 7201 04:14:22,001 --> 04:14:26,000 CORRECT THE SITUATION THAT I KNOW IS WRONG. 7202 04:14:26,001 --> 04:14:29,000 IF IT TAKES ME BEING OBNOXIOUS, 7203 04:14:29,001 --> 04:14:31,000 I WILL DO THAT. 7204 04:14:31,001 --> 04:14:34,000 BECAUSE WE OWE IT, WE OWE IT TO 7205 04:14:34,001 --> 04:14:37,000 THE PEOPLE WHO DEFEND US, THE 7206 04:14:37,001 --> 04:14:39,000 SERGEANT DAVID BATTLES, THEY 7207 04:14:39,001 --> 04:14:43,000 SALUTE AND MARCH OFF AND PUT 7208 04:14:43,001 --> 04:14:45,000 THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY. 7209 04:14:45,001 --> 04:14:47,000 THEY ARE DOING THEIR DUTY. 7210 04:14:47,001 --> 04:14:48,000 IT IS UP TO US TO DO OUR DUTY BY 7211 04:14:48,001 --> 04:14:49,000 THEM AND NOT SEND THEM ON A 7212 04:14:49,001 --> 04:14:51,000 MISSION THAT THEY CANN 7213 04:14:51,001 --> 04:14:54,000 ACCOMPLISH AND NOT SEND THEM 7214 04:14:54,001 --> 04:14:55,000 INTO HARM'S WAY TO LOSE THEIR 7215 04:14:55,001 --> 04:14:57,000 LIVES FOR NOTHING. 7216 04:14:57,001 --> 04:15:00,000 TODAY WE HAVE A MAJOR DECISION 7217 04:15:00,001 --> 04:15:03,000 TO MAKE IN AFGHANISTAN. 7218 04:15:03,001 --> 04:15:04,000 IT IS WHAT I WOULD CALL ON ALL 7219 04:15:04,001 --> 04:15:07,000 OF MY COLLEAGUES TO STAND UP AND 7220 04:15:07,001 --> 04:15:08,000 BE COUNTED ON THIS ISSUE, 7221 04:15:08,001 --> 04:15:10,000 SERIOUSLY CONSIDER WHAT THE 7222 04:15:10,001 --> 04:15:12,000 CHANCES OF SUCCESS ARE AND IF 7223 04:15:12,001 --> 04:15:13,000 THEY AGREE WITH ME, THAT THE 7224 04:15:13,001 --> 04:15:16,000 APPROACH BEING TAKEN OF SENDING 7225 04:15:16,001 --> 04:15:18,000 MORE TROOPS IN, THAT WE STAN 7226 04:15:18,001 --> 04:15:20,000 AND WE PREVENT THIS POLICY, LIKE 7227 04:15:20,001 --> 04:15:23,000 THE POLICY OF SENDING OUR TROOPS 7228 04:15:23,001 --> 04:15:25,000 INTO 7229 04:15:25,001 --> 04:15:27,000 THEIR GUNS, IS DEFEATED. 7230 04:15:27,001 --> 04:15:29,000 AND WE SHOULD NOT ASSUME THAT 7231 04:15:29,001 --> 04:15:31,000 JUST SENDING THOSE GUYS THERE 7232 04:15:31,001 --> 04:15:32,000 WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE 7233 04:15:32,001 --> 04:15:34,000 OTHER PEOPLE WILL WATCH OVER AND 7234 04:15:34,001 --> 04:15:35,000 MAKE SURE THE JOB'S DONE 7235 04:15:35,001 --> 04:15:36,000 CORRECTLY. 7236 04:15:36,001 --> 04:15:37,000 AND THAT OUR TROOPS ARE SAFE. 7237 04:15:37,001 --> 04:15:40,000 IT IS UP TO US. 7238 04:15:40,001 --> 04:15:42,000 EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. 7239 04:15:42,001 --> 04:15:46,000 TO INSIST THAT THIS STRATEGY OF 7240 04:15:46,001 --> 04:15:49,000 SIMPLY SENDING IN MORE TROOPS AT 7241 04:15:49,001 --> 04:15:50,000 $35 BILLION, A STRATEGY THAT'S 7242 04:15:50,001 --> 04:15:52,000 MORE LIKELY TO WORK AND 7243 04:15:52,001 --> 04:15:53,000 ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE WANT TO 7244 04:15:53,001 --> 04:15:55,000 ACCOMPLISH IS PUT INTO PLACE. 7245 04:15:55,001 --> 04:15:56,000 A STRATEGY THAT WILL KEEP FAITH 7246 04:15:56,001 --> 04:15:57,000 WITH THE AFGHANISTAN PEOPLE -- 7247 04:15:57,001 --> 04:15:59,000 AFGHAN PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST 7248 04:15:59,001 --> 04:16:00,000 SIMPLY RELYING ON AMERICANS 7249 04:16:00,001 --> 04:16:03,000 DOING MORE OF THE FIGHTING, HELP 7250 04:16:03,001 --> 04:16:04,000 THEM REBUILD THEIR COUNTRY, 7251 04:16:04,001 --> 04:16:06,000 REARM THEM, ARM THEM SO THEY CAN 7252 04:16:06,001 --> 04:16:08,000 DO THEIR 7253 04:16:08,001 --> 04:16:12,000 WE OWE IT TO OUR TROOPS, WE 7254 04:16:12,001 --> 04:16:13,000 IT TO OUR MARINES, WE OWE IT TO 7255 04:16:13,001 --> 04:16:15,000 THE SERGEANT DAVID BATTLES WHO 7256 04:16:15,001 --> 04:16:16,000 HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES OVER THE 7257 04:16:16,001 --> 04:16:18,000 YEARS FOR OUR COUNTRY TO MAKE 7258 04:16:18,001 --> 04:16:20,000 SURE WE DO OUR DUTY BY THEM 7259 04:16:20,001 --> 04:16:24,000 THEY DO THEIR DUTY BY US. 7260 04:16:24,001 --> 04:16:25,000 WITH THAT I YIELD BACK THE BALANC 7261 04:16:25,001 --> 04:16:26,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE 7262 04:16:26,001 --> 04:16:27,000 GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE 7263 04:16:27,001 --> 04:16:33,000 BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE CHAIR LAYS BEFORE THE HOUSE 7264 04:16:33,001 --> 04:16:35,000 THE FOLLOWING ENROLLED 7265 04:16:35,001 --> 04:16:37,000 THE CLERK: H.R. 955, AN ACT TO 7266 04:16:37,001 --> 04:16:39,000 DESIGNATE THE FACILITY OF THE 7267 04:16:39,001 --> 04:16:44,000 UNED STATES POSTAL SERVICE 7268 04:16:44,001 --> 04:16:46,000 LOCATED AT 103 5 IN 7269 04:16:46,001 --> 04:16:48,000 AS THE JOHN BUD HAWK POST 7270 04:16:48,001 --> 04:16:49,000 OFFICE. 7271 04:16:49,001 --> 04:16:50,000 THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: UNDER 7272 04:16:50,001 --> 04:16:52,000 THE SPEAKER'S ANNOUNCED POLICY 7273 04:16:52,001 --> 04:16:53,000 OF JANUARY 6, 2009, THE CHAIR 7274 04:16:53,001 --> 04:16:56,000 RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM 7275 04:16:56,001 --> 04:16:58,000 TEXAS, MR. GOHMERT, FOR 60 MINUTES. 7276 04:16:58,001 --> 04:17:01,000 MR. GOHMERT: THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. 7277 04:17:01,001 --> 04:17:03,000 IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE ON 7278 04:17:03,001 --> 04:17:04,000 THE HOUSE FLOOR. 7279 04:17:04,001 --> 04:17:06,000 SPECIALY WHEN YOU KNOW THE 7280 04:17:06,001 --> 04:17:07,000 HISTORY OF THIS FLOOR -- 7281 04:17:07,001 --> 04:17:08,000 ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU KNOW THE 7282 04:17:08,001 --> 04:17:11,000 HISTORY OF THIS FLOOR AND ALL 7283 04:17:11,001 --> 04:17:13,000 THAT'S BEEN DOING TO -- DONE TO 7284 04:17:13,001 --> 04:17:15,000 KEEP AMERICANS SAFE. 7285 04:17:15,001 --> 04:17:19,000 THE REACTION ON THIS FLOOR BY 7286 04:17:19,001 --> 04:17:21,000 GREAT AMERICAN LEADERS AFT 7287 04:17:21,001 --> 04:17:24,000 TRAGEDIES SUCH AS WE HAD AFTER 7288 04:17:24,001 --> 04:17:27,000 PEARL HARBOR WHEN THE PRESIDENT 7289 04:17:27,001 --> 04:17:29,000 OF THE UNITED STATES SPOKEFROM 7290 04:17:29,001 --> 04:17:32,000 THAT ELECTRIC TURN RIGHT THERE 7291 04:17:32,001 --> 04:17:37,000 -- LECTURN RIGHT THERE, AFTER 7292 04:17:37,001 --> 04:17:39,000 PEARL HARBOR. 7293 04:17:39,001 --> 04:17:42,000 BEFORE 9/11 THAT WAS THE WORST 7294 04:17:42,001 --> 04:17:45,000 ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL. 7295 04:17:45,001 --> 04:17:46,000 9/11 CHANGED THINGS 7296 04:17:46,001 --> 04:17:50,000 SUBSTANTIALLY. 7297 04:17:50,001 --> 04:17:52,000 FOR ONE THING, I NEVER THOUGHT 7298 04:17:52,001 --> 04:17:55,000 DURING MY FOUR YEARS IN THE ARMY 7299 04:17:55,001 --> 04:17:57,000 GOING BACK TO THE 1970'S THAT 7300 04:17:57,001 --> 04:17:59,000 WE'D EVER SEE PATRIOTISM AT A 7301 04:17:59,001 --> 04:18:00,000 LEVEL THAT IT IS TODAY WHERE 7302 04:18:00,001 --> 04:18:04,000 PEOPLE ACTUALLY APPRECIATE 7303 04:18:04,001 --> 04:18:05,000 PEOPLE BEING IN THE SERVICE. 7304 04:18:05,001 --> 04:18:09,000 THE VIETNAM VETS KNEW WHAT IT 7305 04:18:09,001 --> 04:18:11,000 WAS LIKE TO COME HOME AND TO BE 7306 04:18:11,001 --> 04:18:16,000 SPIT AT AND RIDICULED. 7307 04:18:16,001 --> 04:18:18,000 I KNOW WHEN I WEPT THROUGH FORT 7308 04:18:18,001 --> 04:18:21,000 RILEY THERE WAS A 7309 04:18:21,001 --> 04:18:22,000 WEAR UNIFORMS OFF POST BECAUSE 7310 04:18:22,001 --> 04:18:23,000 THERE WAS SUPPOSEDLY VIOLENCE 7311 04:18:23,001 --> 04:18:27,000 THAT WAS DONE, THERE WER 7312 04:18:27,001 --> 04:18:29,000 BEAT UP WHO WERE IN THE SERVICE. 7313 04:18:29,001 --> 04:18:31,000 BUT SOMEHOW FOR A WHILE THERE 7314 04:18:31,001 --> 04:18:32,000 9/11 BROUGHT THIS NATION 7315 04:18:32,001 --> 04:18:34,000 TOGETHER. 7316 04:18:34,001 --> 04:18:37,000 WHERE PEOPLE BEGAN TO TAKE 7317 04:18:37,001 --> 04:18:38,000 NOTICE AND CARE ABOUT FIRST 7318 04:18:38,001 --> 04:18:44,000 RESPONDERS AND THEY BEGAN TO 7319 04:18:44,001 --> 04:18:46,000 CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER AND ON 7320 04:18:46,001 --> 04:18:48,000 SEPTEMBER 12, THERE HAD ON OUR 7321 04:18:48,001 --> 04:18:50,000 COURTHOUSE SQUARE IN SMITH 7322 04:18:50,001 --> 04:18:54,000 COUNTY, TEXAS, WE HAD PEOPLE OF 7323 04:18:54,001 --> 04:18:59,000 ALL WALKS OF LIFE JOIN TOGETHER, 7324 04:18:59,001 --> 04:19:00,000 HUGE GROUP CAME, AND IT 7325 04:19:00,001 --> 04:19:02,000 CULMINATED IN EVERYONE HOLDING 7326 04:19:02,001 --> 04:19:04,000 HANDS AND SINGING GOD BLESS 7327 04:19:04,001 --> 04:19:09,000 AMERICA AND AS I LIKED -- LOOKED 7328 04:19:09,001 --> 04:19:11,000 AROUND THERE WAS NOT ONE SINGLE 7329 04:19:11,001 --> 04:19:16,000 HYPHENATED AMERICAN. AMERICANS. 7330 04:19:16,001 --> 04:19:20,000 ALL KINDS OF RACES, GENDERS, 7331 04:19:20,001 --> 04:19:22,000 CEDES, COLOR -- CREEDS, COLOR, 7332 04:19:22,001 --> 04:19:25,000 WE WERE JUST AME 7333 04:19:25,001 --> 04:19:27,000 AFTER 9/11 WE REALIZED THAT FOR 7334 04:19:27,001 --> 04:19:30,000 THE FIRST TIME IN OUR HISTORY 7335 04:19:30,001 --> 04:19:34,000 THE OCEANS DID NOT PROVIDE THE 7336 04:19:34,001 --> 04:19:36,000 PROTECTION THAT THEY ONCE DID 7337 04:19:36,001 --> 04:19:38,000 AS AN OLD HISTORY MAJOR AT TEXAS 7338 04:19:38,001 --> 04:19:40,000 A&M AND CONTINUING TO BE A 7339 04:19:40,001 --> 04:19:42,000 STUDENT OF HISTORY SINCE, I 7340 04:19:42,001 --> 04:19:44,000 DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER NATION IN 7341 04:19:44,001 --> 04:19:48,000 THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD THAT 7342 04:19:48,001 --> 04:19:49,000 HAS BEEN SO BLESSED AND 7343 04:19:49,001 --> 04:19:52,000 PROTECTED AS WE WERE WITH THE 7344 04:19:52,001 --> 04:19:54,000 ATLANTIC AND THE PACIFIC OCEANS. 7345 04:19:54,001 --> 04:19:56,000 EVEN AUSTRALIA WAS -- WHICH WAS 7346 04:19:56,001 --> 04:19:59,000 SURROUNDED BY WATER, ALWAYS HAD 7347 04:19:59,001 --> 04:20:01,000 TO FEAR INVASIONS. 7348 04:20:01,001 --> 04:20:04,000 BUT AFTER THE WAR OF 1812 FOR 7349 04:20:04,001 --> 04:20:07,000 E MOST PART WE DIDN'T HAVE TO 7350 04:20:07,001 --> 04:20:11,000 WORRY ABOUT EXTERNAL 7351 04:20:11,001 --> 04:20:13,000 MUCH AS WE WERE ABLE TO THINK 7352 04:20:13,001 --> 04:20:18,000 ABOUT MANIFEST DESTINY, MOVING 7353 04:20:18,001 --> 04:20:20,000 AND SETTLING THE CONTINENT, THE 7354 04:20:20,001 --> 04:20:24,000 INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. 7355 04:20:24,001 --> 04:20:25,000 HAVING THE EFFORT TO MAKE THE 7356 04:20:25,001 --> 04:20:28,000 CONSTITUTION MEAN THE SAME FOR 7357 04:20:28,001 --> 04:20:35,000 ALL PEOPLE, NO MATTER WHAT RACE, 7358 04:20:35,001 --> 04:20:38,000 CREED, COLOR, GENDER. 7359 04:20:38,001 --> 04:20:43,000 BUT 9/11 SENT A MESSAGE THAT THE 7360 04:20:43,001 --> 04:20:45,000 OCEANS NO LONGER PROTECTED US. 7361 04:20:45,001 --> 04:20:46,000 THAT EVEN HAD TO TAKE MORE 7362 04:20:46,001 --> 04:20:49,000 MEASURES TO PROTECT OURSELVES. 7363 04:20:49,001 --> 04:20:51,000 I RECALL BACK IN THE 1980'S IT 7364 04:20:51,001 --> 04:20:53,000 BEING SAID THAT ONE OF THE GREAT 7365 04:20:53,001 --> 04:20:56,000 THINGS ABOUT THE ATLANTIC AND 7366 04:20:56,001 --> 04:20:58,000 PACIFIC IS IF SOMEBODY INTENDED 7367 04:20:58,001 --> 04:20:59,000 TO BE A SUICIDE BOMBER, THEY 7368 04:20:59,001 --> 04:21:01,000 WOULD LOSE THEIR NERVE CROSSING THE OCEAN. 7369 04:21:01,001 --> 04:21:04,000 CERTAINLY ANYBODY THAT MOVED 7370 04:21:04,001 --> 04:21:06,000 HERE AND LIVED AMONG AMERICAN 7371 04:21:06,001 --> 04:21:08,000 PEOPLE WOULD BEGIN TO SEE HOW 7372 04:21:08,001 --> 04:21:09,000 MUCH FREEDOM WE HAVE HERE AND 7373 04:21:09,001 --> 04:21:13,000 THEY WOULD BECOME -- THEY WOULD 7374 04:21:13,001 --> 04:21:15,000 COME TO LOVE AMERICA AS WE DO 7375 04:21:15,001 --> 04:21:18,000 AND THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO BLOW 7376 04:21:18,001 --> 04:21:24,000 UP THEIR FRIENDED AND 7377 04:21:24,001 --> 04:21:26,000 AGAIN, 9/11 CHANGED ALL THAT. 7378 04:21:26,001 --> 04:21:29,000 SO, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T KNOW THE 7379 04:21:29,001 --> 04:21:31,000 LESSONS FROM HISTORY THEN THEY 7380 04:21:31,001 --> 04:21:35,000 ARE DESTINED TO REPEAT IT AS THE 7381 04:21:35,001 --> 04:21:38,000 OLD SAYING GOES. 7382 04:21:38,001 --> 04:21:41,000 WELL, THE CONSTITUTION AND I 7383 04:21:41,001 --> 04:21:45,000 HAVE A POCKET CONSTITUTION HERE, 7384 04:21:45,001 --> 04:21:48,000 ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8, SAYS THE 7385 04:21:48,001 --> 04:21:49,000 CONGRESS SHALL HAVE POWER TO AND 7386 04:21:49,001 --> 04:21:52,000 ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE THE 7387 04:21:52,001 --> 04:21:54,000 POWER TO DO IN CONGRESS IS 7388 04:21:54,001 --> 04:21:55,000 CONSTITUTE TRIBUNALS INFERIOR TO 7389 04:21:55,001 --> 04:21:57,000 THE SUPREME COURT. 7390 04:21:57,001 --> 04:21:59,000 YOU GET OVER TO ARTICLE 3 7391 04:21:59,001 --> 04:22:00,000 SECTION 1, THE JUDICIAL POWER OF 7392 04:22:00,001 --> 04:22:03,000 THE UNED STATES SHALL BE 7393 04:22:03,001 --> 04:22:05,000 VESTED IN ONE SUPREME COURT AND 7394 04:22:05,001 --> 04:22:08,000 IN SUCH INFERIOR COURTS AS THE 7395 04:22:08,001 --> 04:22:11,000 CONGRESS MAY FROM TIME TO 7396 04:22:11,001 --> 04:22:12,000 ORDAIN AND ESTABLISH. 7397 04:22:12,001 --> 04:22:14,000 EVEN THE SUPREME COURT OVER IN 7398 04:22:14,001 --> 04:22:16,000 SECTION 2 WHERE IT'S TALKED 7399 04:22:16,001 --> 04:22:20,000 ABOUT, IT SAYS IN ALL OF THE 7400 04:22:20,001 --> 04:22:22,000 OTHER CASES BEFORE MENTIONED, 7401 04:22:22,001 --> 04:22:23,000 THE SUPREME COURT SHALL HAVE 7402 04:22:23,001 --> 04:22:26,000 APPELLATE JURISDICTION BUT WITH 7403 04:22:26,001 --> 04:22:28,000 SUCH EXCEPTIONS AND UNDER SUCH 7404 04:22:28,001 --> 04:22:29,000 REGULATIONS AS THE CONGRESS 7405 04:22:29,001 --> 04:22:30,000 SHALL MAKE. 7406 04:22:30,001 --> 04:22:33,000 SO THE SUPREME COURT OWES ITS 7407 04:22:33,001 --> 04:22:35,000 EXISTENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION. 7408 04:22:35,001 --> 04:22:38,000 EVERY SINGLE OTHER COURT IN 7409 04:22:38,001 --> 04:22:41,000 AMERICA, FEDERAL COURT, THAT IS, 7410 04:22:41,001 --> 04:22:44,000 OWES ITS EXISTENCE TO THE 7411 04:22:44,001 --> 04:22:46,000 CONGRESS. 7412 04:22:46,001 --> 04:22:49,000 WE CREATE THE COURTS, WE 7413 04:22:49,001 --> 04:22:50,000 ESTABLISH THEIR JURISDICTIONS, 7414 04:22:50,001 --> 04:22:54,000 HAVE THE RIGHT TO ESTABLISH 7415 04:22:54,001 --> 04:22:57,000 THEIR VENUES AND WHEN WE DEALT 7416 04:22:57,001 --> 04:23:03,000 WITH THIS ISSUE BACK IN 2005 AND 7417 04:23:03,001 --> 04:23:04,000 2006 OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH 7418 04:23:04,001 --> 04:23:06,000 TERRORISTS WHO WERE CAPTURED ON 7419 04:23:06,001 --> 04:23:07,000 THE FOREIGN BATTLEFIELD, WHAT DO 7420 04:23:07,001 --> 04:23:10,000 YOU DO WITH THEM? 7421 04:23:10,001 --> 04:23:12,000 YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO 7422 04:23:12,001 --> 04:23:15,000 BRING THEM ONTO AMERICAN SOIL 7423 04:23:15,001 --> 04:23:16,000 BECAUSE IF DID YOU THAT THERE'D 7424 04:23:16,001 --> 04:23:18,000 BE SOME COURT THAT WOULD SAY 7425 04:23:18,001 --> 04:23:20,000 THEY HAVE ALL THE RIGHTS AND 7426 04:23:20,001 --> 04:23:21,000 PRIVILEGES OF AN AMERICAN 7427 04:23:21,001 --> 04:23:23,000 CITIZEN. 7428 04:23:23,001 --> 04:23:25,000 WHICH SHOULDN'T BE TRUE BUT 7429 04:23:25,001 --> 04:23:26,000 UNTIL SOME COURT SAYS -- THE 7430 04:23:26,001 --> 04:23:27,000 SUPREME COURT SAYS IT'S TRUE AND 7431 04:23:27,001 --> 04:23:29,000 SINCE WE BELIEVE IN FOLLOWING 7432 04:23:29,001 --> 04:23:33,000 THE LAW, EVEN THOUGH SOME COURTS 7433 04:23:33,001 --> 04:23:36,000 DO NOT, THEY CREATED INSTEAD OF 7434 04:23:36,001 --> 04:23:37,000 FOLLOW IT, WE FOLLOW EVEN THE 7435 04:23:37,001 --> 04:23:41,000 RENEGADE COURTS WHEN IT'S THE 7436 04:23:41,001 --> 04:23:43,000 LAW OF THE LAND. 7437 04:23:43,001 --> 04:23:44,000 SO WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS 7438 04:23:44,001 --> 04:23:48,000 ISSUE. 7439 04:23:48,001 --> 04:23:51,000 FOLLOWING ALL OF THE PRECEDENTS 7440 04:23:51,001 --> 04:23:53,000 AND I BELIEVE JUSTICE SCLIA DOES 7441 04:23:53,001 --> 04:24:05,000 A PHENOMENAL JOB -- SCALIA DOES 7442 04:24:05,001 --> 04:24:06,000 A PHENOMENAL JOB OF DISCUSSING 7443 04:24:06,001 --> 04:24:07,000 PRECEDENTS AS DOES CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS IN A CASE, BUT WE HAD TO 7444 04:24:07,001 --> 04:24:08,000 DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE KHALID 7445 04:24:08,001 --> 04:24:09,000 SHEIK MOHAMMED. 7446 04:24:09,001 --> 04:24:12,000 KHALID SHEIK MOHAMMED WHICH 7447 04:24:12,001 --> 04:24:16,000 CAPTURED IN PAKISTAN ON MARCH 1, 7448 04:24:16,001 --> 04:24:18,000 2003, BY THE PAKISTANI I.S.I. 7449 04:24:18,001 --> 04:24:21,000 IT MAY HAVE BEEN A JOINT ACTION 7450 04:24:21,001 --> 04:24:22,000 WITH AGENTS, THE AMERICAN 7451 04:24:22,001 --> 04:24:23,000 DIPLOMATIC SECURITY SERVICE, BUT 7452 04:24:23,001 --> 04:24:26,000 HE'S BEEN IN THE U.S. CUSTODY 7453 04:24:26,001 --> 04:24:29,000 EVER SINCE THAT TIME. 7454 04:24:29,001 --> 04:24:31,000 IN SEPTEMBER OF 2006 THE U.S. 7455 04:24:31,001 --> 04:24:33,000 GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED IT HA 7456 04:24:33,001 --> 04:24:39,000 MOVED MUHAMMAD FROM A SECRET 7457 04:24:39,001 --> 04:24:42,000 PRISON FACILITY -- MOHAMMED FROM 7458 04:24:42,001 --> 04:24:43,000 A SECRET FACILITY TO GUANTANAMO 7459 04:24:43,001 --> 04:24:45,000 BAY. 7460 04:24:45,001 --> 04:24:46,000 NOW SOME CAME TO BELIEVE THAT 7461 04:24:46,001 --> 04:24:48,000 GUANTANAMO IS SUCH A HORRIBLE 7462 04:24:48,001 --> 04:24:51,000 PLACE. 7463 04:24:51,001 --> 04:24:52,000 THAT IS WHERE WE WATER BOARD 7464 04:24:52,001 --> 04:24:53,000 PEOPLE. 7465 04:24:53,001 --> 04:24:55,000 THE 7466 04:24:55,001 --> 04:24:58,000 APPARENTLY OCCURRED NEVER 7467 04:24:58,001 --> 04:25:01,000 OCCURRED AT GUANTANAMO. 7468 04:25:01,001 --> 04:25:04,000 THAT WAS ELSEWHERE. 7469 04:25:04,001 --> 04:25:06,000 GUANTANAMO BAY IS A PLACE I'VE 7470 04:25:06,001 --> 04:25:10,000 BEEN A COUPLE OF TIMES AND 7471 04:25:10,001 --> 04:25:12,000 HAVING BEEN A JUDGE I'VE HAD THE 7472 04:25:12,001 --> 04:25:17,000 OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE AND TOUR 7473 04:25:17,001 --> 04:25:22,000 MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRISONS 7474 04:25:22,001 --> 04:25:25,000 AND SO ATTENDING TO A TOUR OF 7475 04:25:25,001 --> 04:25:26,000 GUANTANAMO BAY FACILITY WAS NOT 7476 04:25:26,001 --> 04:25:27,000 UNUSUAL BUT -- EXCEPT THAT IT'S 7477 04:25:27,001 --> 04:25:29,000 UNUSUAL TO GET THERE. 7478 04:25:29,001 --> 04:25:31,000 YOU DON'T TAKE A COMMERCIAL 7479 04:25:31,001 --> 04:25:33,000 FLIGHT TO GUANTANAMO BAY WHICH 7480 04:25:33,001 --> 04:25:36,000 IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S SUCH 7481 04:25:36,001 --> 04:25:43,000 AN IDEAL SPOT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE 7482 04:25:43,001 --> 04:25:53,000 A THREAT TO OUR WAY OF LIFE. 7483 04:25:53,001 --> 04:25:55,000 SO WE HAVE ALSO RAMZI BIN-A 7484 04:25:55,001 --> 04:25:57,000 LSHAD, WHO WAS KAPTURRED AROUND 7485 04:25:57,001 --> 04:25:58,000 SEPTEMBER OF 2002. 7486 04:25:58,001 --> 04:26:00,000 HE WAS TRANSFERED TO GUANTANAMO 7487 04:26:00,001 --> 04:26:02,000 BAY, CUE BARKS ON OR ABOUT 7488 04:26:02,001 --> 04:26:04,000 SEPTEMBER 26, WHERE HE ALSO HAS 7489 04:26:04,001 --> 04:26:06,000 REMAINED. 7490 04:26:06,001 --> 04:26:12,000 YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE BEING 7491 04:26:12,001 --> 04:26:13,000 DETAINED THERE THAT WE KNOW, 7492 04:26:13,001 --> 04:26:17,000 CONFESSED TERRORISTS AND UNDER 7493 04:26:17,001 --> 04:26:18,000 A PLEADING FILED BY KHALID 7494 04:26:18,001 --> 04:26:20,000 SHKH MOHAMMED, AS WE HE SA, 7495 04:26:20,001 --> 04:26:23,000 WE'RE TERRORISTS TO THE BONE. 7496 04:26:23,001 --> 04:26:28,000 IF WE TERRORIZE YOU, SCARE YOU, 7497 04:26:28,001 --> 04:26:31,000 KILL YOU, BASICALLY, THANKS BE TO GOD. 7498 04:26:31,001 --> 04:26:33,000 THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT 7499 04:26:33,001 --> 04:26:36,000 BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THE 7500 04:26:36,001 --> 04:26:38,000 FREEDOMS THAT WE DO IN AMERICA 7501 04:26:38,001 --> 04:26:41,000 BECAUSE THEY THINK FREEDOM 7502 04:26:41,001 --> 04:26:42,000 ULTIMATELY LEADS TO DEGRADATION 7503 04:26:42,001 --> 04:26:43,000 OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE 7504 04:26:43,001 --> 04:26:45,000 COUNTRY, THEREFORE PEOPLE 7505 04:26:45,001 --> 04:26:47,000 SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED FREEDOM, 7506 04:26:47,001 --> 04:26:49,000 SHE SHOULD BE TOLD WHAT THEY 7507 04:26:49,001 --> 04:26:50,000 CAN OR CAN'T DO AND THEY 7508 04:26:50,001 --> 04:26:53,000 BELIEVE THEY GET A SPECIAL 7509 04:26:53,001 --> 04:26:56,000 PLACE IN PARADISE IF THEY'RE 7510 04:26:56,001 --> 04:26:58,000 ABLE TO GOUT IN THIS LIFE 7511 04:26:58,001 --> 04:27:00,000 HAVING DESTROYED AND KILLED 7512 04:27:00,001 --> 04:27:04,000 WHAT WE CONSIDER INNOCENTS AND 7513 04:27:04,001 --> 04:27:09,000 WHAT THEY CONSIDER INFIDELS. 7514 04:27:09,001 --> 04:27:11,000 SO WE COME TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT 7515 04:27:11,001 --> 04:27:13,000 BY E U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL 7516 04:27:13,001 --> 04:27:16,000 WHEN HE ANNOUNCED THAT THE 7517 04:27:16,001 --> 04:27:18,000 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL 7518 04:27:18,001 --> 04:27:21,000 PURSUE PROSECUTION IN FEDERAL 7519 04:27:21,001 --> 04:27:23,000 COURT OF FIVE INDIVIDUALS 7520 04:27:23,001 --> 04:27:25,000 ACCUSED OF CONSPIRING TO COMMIT 7521 04:27:25,001 --> 04:27:27,000 9/11 ATTACKS. 7522 04:27:27,001 --> 04:27:29,000 HE SAID FURTHER, I'VE DECIDED 7523 04:27:29,001 --> 04:27:32,000 TO REFER BACK TO THE DEFENSE -- 7524 04:27:32,001 --> 04:27:33,000 THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FIVE 7525 04:27:33,001 --> 04:27:35,000 DEFENDANTS TO FACE MILITARY 7526 04:27:35,001 --> 04:27:39,000 COMMISSION TALS, INCLUDING 7527 04:27:39,001 --> 04:27:42,000 THE DETAINEE PREVIOUSLY CHARGED 7528 04:27:42,001 --> 04:27:44,000 IN THE U.S. COLE BOMBING. 7529 04:27:44,001 --> 04:27:45,000 THE 9/11 CASES THAT WILL BE 7530 04:27:45,001 --> 04:27:48,000 PURSUED IN FEDERAL COURT HAVE 7531 04:27:48,001 --> 04:27:49,000 BEEN JOINTLY ASSIGNED TO 7532 04:27:49,001 --> 04:27:50,000 PROSECUTORS FROM THE SOUTHERN 7533 04:27:50,001 --> 04:27:51,000 DISTRICT OF NEW YORK AND THE 7534 04:27:51,001 --> 04:27:53,000 EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA 7535 04:27:53,001 --> 04:27:54,000 AND WI BE BROUGHT IN 7536 04:27:54,001 --> 04:27:58,000 MANHATTAN IN THE SOUTHERN 7537 04:27:58,001 --> 04:28:02,000 DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. 7538 04:28:02,001 --> 04:28:05,000 HE GOES ON AND ENDS UP SAYING, 7539 04:28:05,001 --> 04:28:07,000 IN MANY -- IN EACH CASE, MY 7540 04:28:07,001 --> 04:28:10,000 DECISION AS TO WHETHER TO 7541 04:28:10,001 --> 04:28:12,000 PROCEED IN FEDERAL COURT OR 7542 04:28:12,001 --> 04:28:13,000 MILITARY COMMISSIONS WAS BASED 7543 04:28:13,001 --> 04:28:15,000 ON A PROPERTY KOHL THE 7544 04:28:15,001 --> 04:28:16,000 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND 7545 04:28:16,001 --> 04:28:18,000 DEFENSE DEVELOPED THAT WAS 7546 04:28:18,001 --> 04:28:19,000 ANNOUNCED IN JULY BECAUSE MANY 7547 04:28:19,001 --> 04:28:22,000 CASES COULD BE PROSECUTED IN 7548 04:28:22,001 --> 04:28:23,000 EITHER FEDERAL COURTS OR 7549 04:28:23,001 --> 04:28:27,000 MILITARY COMMISSIONS THAT 7550 04:28:27,001 --> 04:28:28,000 PROTOCOL SETS FORTH A NUMBER OF 7551 04:28:28,001 --> 04:28:30,000 FACTORS, INCLUDING THE NATURE 7552 04:28:30,001 --> 04:28:33,000 OF THE OFFENSE, THE LOCATION IN 7553 04:28:33,001 --> 04:28:35,000 WHICH THE OFFENSE OCCURRED, THE 7554 04:28:35,001 --> 04:28:37,000 IDENTITY OF THE VICTIMS AND THE 7555 04:28:37,001 --> 04:28:38,000 MAN FOR THE WHICH THE CASE WAS 7556 04:28:38,001 --> 04:28:39,000 INVESTIGATED THAT MUST BE 7557 04:28:39,001 --> 04:28:40,000 CONSIDERED. 7558 04:28:40,001 --> 04:28:41,000 IN CONSULTATION WITH THE 7559 04:28:41,001 --> 04:28:44,000 SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, I'VE 7560 04:28:44,001 --> 04:28:46,000 LOOKED AT RELEVANT FACTORS AND 7561 04:28:46,001 --> 04:28:49,000 MADE CASE BY CASE DECISIONS FOR 7562 04:28:49,001 --> 04:28:51,000 EACH DETAINEE. 7563 04:28:51,001 --> 04:28:53,000 WELL, IT WOULDN'T SEEM THAT 7564 04:28:53,001 --> 04:28:55,000 HE'S CONSIDERED THE SAFETY AND 7565 04:28:55,001 --> 04:28:58,000 THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE 7566 04:28:58,001 --> 04:29:01,000 PEOPLE THAT SURVIVED THE ATTACK 7567 04:29:01,001 --> 04:29:03,000 ON 9/11 IN NEWORK CITY. 7568 04:29:03,001 --> 04:29:07,000 THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREA 7569 04:29:07,001 --> 04:29:10,000 IN OUR COUNTRY. 7570 04:29:10,001 --> 04:29:12,000 IN 2005-2006, THIS CONGRESS 7571 04:29:12,001 --> 04:29:15,000 CONSIDERED THESE ISSUES AND I 7572 04:29:15,001 --> 04:29:17,000 WOULD SUBMIT GAVE IT BETTER 7573 04:29:17,001 --> 04:29:19,000 CONSIDERATION THAN OUR CURRENT 7574 04:29:19,001 --> 04:29:22,000 ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE -- 7575 04:29:22,001 --> 04:29:26,000 WHEN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION 7576 04:29:26,001 --> 04:29:28,000 HAD FORMULATED A MILITARY 7577 04:29:28,001 --> 04:29:32,000 TRIBUNAL SYSTEM, WITHOUT THE 7578 04:29:32,001 --> 04:29:34,000 INPUT FROM CONGRESS, IT WAS 7579 04:29:34,001 --> 04:29:37,000 STRUCK DOWN AND RIGHTFULLY SO. 7580 04:29:37,001 --> 04:29:40,000 SO CONGRESS GOT INVOLVED. 7581 04:29:40,001 --> 04:29:43,000 NOW WHAVE THE MILITARY 7582 04:29:43,001 --> 04:29:47,000 COMMISSIONS ACT THAT WAS PASSED 7583 04:29:47,001 --> 04:29:50,000 IN 26 AND THE OBAMA 7584 04:29:50,001 --> 04:29:53,000 ADMINISTRATION DID NOT LIKE THE 7585 04:29:53,001 --> 04:29:56,000 TERM APPLIED TO THE ENEMY 7586 04:29:56,001 --> 04:29:57,000 COMBATANTS THAT WERE CAPTURED 7587 04:29:57,001 --> 04:30:02,000 ON THE BATTLEFIELD AROUND THE 7588 04:30:02,001 --> 04:30:05,000 WORLD, WHO HAD MADE EFFORTS AND 7589 04:30:05,001 --> 04:30:08,000 PARTICIPATED IN TH MURDER AND 7590 04:30:08,001 --> 04:30:10,000 DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN LIVES 7591 04:30:10,001 --> 04:30:13,000 AND AMERICAN PROPERTY. 7592 04:30:13,001 --> 04:30:17,000 SO THE WAY THAT BILL WAS 7593 04:30:17,001 --> 04:30:19,000 AMENDED, IT NOW READS, ANY 7594 04:30:19,001 --> 04:30:21,000 ALIEN, UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY 7595 04:30:21,001 --> 04:30:23,000 BELLIGERENT IS SUBJECT TO TRIAL 7596 04:30:23,001 --> 04:30:24,000 BY MILITARY COMMISSION AS CELT 7597 04:30:24,001 --> 04:30:26,000 FORTH IN THIS CHAPTER. 7598 04:30:26,001 --> 04:30:27,000 -- AS SET FORTH IN THIS 7599 04:30:27,001 --> 04:30:28,000 CHAPTER. 7600 04:30:28,001 --> 04:30:30,000 YOU HA TO LOOK BACK, ALIEN, 7601 04:30:30,001 --> 04:30:32,000 THE TERM ALIEN MEANS AN 7602 04:30:32,001 --> 04:30:36,000 INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOT A CITIZEN 7603 04:30:36,001 --> 04:30:40,000 OF THE UNITED STATES. 7604 04:30:40,001 --> 04:30:43,000 YOU LOOK AT AN UNPRIVILEGED 7605 04:30:43,001 --> 04:30:45,000 ENEMY BELLIGERENT, THE TERM 7606 04:30:45,001 --> 04:30:46,000 UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENT 7607 04:30:46,001 --> 04:30:50,000 MEANS AN INDIVIDUAL OTHER THAN 7608 04:30:50,001 --> 04:30:52,000 A PRIVILEGED BELLIGERENT WHO A, 7609 04:30:52,001 --> 04:30:55,000 HAS ENGAGED IN HOSTILITIES 7610 04:30:55,001 --> 04:30:57,000 AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OR 7611 04:30:57,001 --> 04:30:59,000 ITS COALITION PARTNERS, B, HAS 7612 04:30:59,001 --> 04:31:00,000 PURPOSEFULLY AND MATERIALLY 7613 04:31:00,001 --> 04:31:02,000 SUPPORTED HOSTILITIES AGAINST 7614 04:31:02,001 --> 04:31:04,000 THE UNITED STATES OR ITS 7615 04:31:04,001 --> 04:31:07,000 COALITION PARTNERS, OR C, WAS A 7616 04:31:07,001 --> 04:31:08,000 PART OF AL QAEDA AT THE TIME OF 7617 04:31:08,001 --> 04:31:12,000 THE ALLEGED OFFENSE UNDER THIS 7618 04:31:12,001 --> 04:31:16,000 CHAPTER. 7619 04:31:16,001 --> 04:31:17,000 THE TERM HOSLITIES MEANS ANY 7620 04:31:17,001 --> 04:31:18,000 CONFLICT SUBJECT TO THE LAWS OF 7621 04:31:18,001 --> 04:31:22,000 WAR. 7622 04:31:22,001 --> 04:31:23,000 AS IT SAYS IN 948-H, MILITARY 7623 04:31:23,001 --> 04:31:26,000 COMMISSIONS THUNDER CHAPTER MAY 7624 04:31:26,001 --> 04:31:28,000 BE CONVENED BY THE SECRETARY OF 7625 04:31:28,001 --> 04:31:33,000 DEFENSE OR ANY OFFICER OR 7626 04:31:33,001 --> 04:31:36,000 OFFICIAL BY THE -- DESIGNATED 7627 04:31:36,001 --> 04:31:37,000 BY THE SECRETARY FOR THAT PURPOSE. 7628 04:31:37,001 --> 04:31:41,000 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS 7629 04:31:41,001 --> 04:31:43,000 ELECD TO BRING SELF-CONFESSED 7630 04:31:43,001 --> 04:31:45,000 TERRORISTS TO NEW YORK CITY 7631 04:31:45,001 --> 04:31:47,000 I DIDN'T WANT TO WALK PEOPLE 7632 04:31:47,001 --> 04:31:50,000 THROUGH WHAT ITTAKES TO 7633 04:31:50,001 --> 04:31:52,000 PREPARE A CASE FOR TRIAL FROM A 7634 04:31:52,001 --> 04:31:54,000 JUDGE'S STANDPOINT FROM A 7635 04:31:54,001 --> 04:31:58,000 LOGISTICAL STANDPOINT. 7636 04:31:58,001 --> 04:31:59,000 ALL EVIDENCE WILL HAVE TO BE 7637 04:31:59,001 --> 04:32:01,000 TRANSPORTED BY DIFFERENT 7638 04:32:01,001 --> 04:32:03,000 INDIVIDUALS, WHOEVER MAY HAVE 7639 04:32:03,001 --> 04:32:04,000 IT, TO THE COURTHOUSE. 7640 04:32:04,001 --> 04:32:06,000 SO IT CAN BE USED AS EVIDENCE 7641 04:32:06,001 --> 04:32:09,000 THERE. 7642 04:32:09,001 --> 04:32:11,000 METIMES IT'S HELD IN 7643 04:32:11,001 --> 04:32:12,000 DIFFERENT PLACES. 7644 04:32:12,001 --> 04:32:13,000 BUT EVENTUALLY TO THE 7645 04:32:13,001 --> 04:32:15,000 COURTHOUSE. 7646 04:32:15,001 --> 04:32:17,000 NORMALLY YOU HAVE TO KEEP A 7647 04:32:17,001 --> 04:32:18,000 VERY CAREFUL CHAIN OF CUSTODY 7648 04:32:18,001 --> 04:32:23,000 ON ANY EVIDENCE. 7649 04:32:23,001 --> 04:32:26,000 BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS 7650 04:32:26,001 --> 04:32:28,000 A BATTLEFIELD WHERE IN ORDER TO 7651 04:32:28,001 --> 04:32:31,000 GET OFFICIAL CHAIN OF CUSTODY 7652 04:32:31,001 --> 04:32:33,000 STARTED, OUR SOLDIERS IN HARM'S 7653 04:32:33,001 --> 04:32:35,000 WAY WILL HAVE TO WALK OUT IN 7654 04:32:35,001 --> 04:32:38,000 THE MIDDLE OF HOSTILITIES, 7655 04:32:38,001 --> 04:32:40,000 BULLETS FLYING, SAYING TIME 7656 04:32:40,001 --> 04:32:42,000 OUT, I WANT TO GATHER EVIDENCE 7657 04:32:42,001 --> 04:32:45,000 THAT WE MAY NEED 7658 04:32:45,001 --> 04:32:47,000 IN A CIVILIAN COURT BECAUSE WE 7659 04:32:47,001 --> 04:32:49,000 HAVE A PRESIDENT OR ATTORNEY 7660 04:32:49,001 --> 04:32:53,000 GENERAL WHO WANTS ME TO GO O 7661 04:32:53,001 --> 04:32:55,000 IN HARM'S WAY AND GATHER 7662 04:32:55,001 --> 04:32:57,000 FINGERPRINT, D.N.A., FORENSIC 7663 04:32:57,001 --> 04:33:00,000 EVIDENCE, THAT MAY BE USED IN 7664 04:33:00,001 --> 04:33:02,000 ESTABLISHING -- AND ESTABLISH 7665 04:33:02,001 --> 04:33:04,000 CHAIN OF CUSTODY, NEVER MIND 7666 04:33:04,001 --> 04:33:07,000 THAT IT MAY GET ME KILLED 7667 04:33:07,001 --> 04:33:09,000 TRYING TO GATHER SUCH 7668 04:33:09,001 --> 04:33:11,000 FORENSICALLY ON A BATTLEFIELD 7669 04:33:11,001 --> 04:33:12,000 WHICH WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE, 7670 04:33:12,001 --> 04:33:13,000 IT'S NEVER BEEN NECESSARY, 7671 04:33:13,001 --> 04:33:15,000 BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO WERE LEADERS 7672 04:33:15,001 --> 04:33:16,000 IN THIS COUNTRY KNEW ENOUGH 7673 04:33:16,001 --> 04:33:18,000 ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE 7674 04:33:18,001 --> 04:33:19,000 COUNTRY TO AVOID PUTTING OUR 7675 04:33:19,001 --> 04:33:22,000 MEN AND WOMEN AT 7676 04:33:22,001 --> 04:33:23,000 RISK. 7677 04:33:23,001 --> 04:33:25,000 IN ORDER TO TRY PEOPLE WHO 7678 04:33:25,001 --> 04:33:29,000 WANTED TO KILL US AND DESTROY 7679 04:33:29,001 --> 04:33:31,000 OUR WAY OF LIFE INTO A CIVIL 7680 04:33:31,001 --> 04:33:32,000 COURT A CIVILIAN 7681 04:33:32,001 --> 04:33:33,000 HADN'T BEEN DONE. 7682 04:33:33,001 --> 04:33:36,000 WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. 7683 04:33:36,001 --> 04:33:38,000 W THIS IS UNUSUAL WAR, OF 7684 04:33:38,001 --> 04:33:42,000 COURSE. 7685 04:33:42,001 --> 04:33:47,000 BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THE 7686 04:33:47,001 --> 04:33:49,000 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE PLANNED, 7687 04:33:49,001 --> 04:33:53,000 PARTICIPATED IN KILLING 7688 04:33:53,001 --> 04:33:55,000 AMERICAN CITIZENS, THROUGH OUR 7689 04:33:55,001 --> 04:33:56,000 9/11 TERRORIST ATTACKS THEY 7690 04:33:56,001 --> 04:33:59,000 DECLARED WAR ON US, BUT WE 7691 04:33:59,001 --> 04:34:00,000 DIDN'T OFFICIALLY DECLARE WAR 7692 04:34:00,001 --> 04:34:02,000 ON THEM. 7693 04:34:02,001 --> 04:34:04,000 BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY A 7694 04:34:04,001 --> 04:34:05,000 COUNTRY WHICH MAKES IT MORE 7695 04:34:05,001 --> 04:34:07,000 DIFFICULT. 7696 04:34:07,001 --> 04:34:09,000 MISTAKE, WAR HAS 7697 04:34:09,001 --> 04:34:13,000 BEEN DECLARED ON THE UNITED 7698 04:34:13,001 --> 04:34:16,000 STATES AND EITHER WE RESPOND BY 7699 04:34:16,001 --> 04:34:18,000 FIGHTING BACK IN THIS WAR OR 7700 04:34:18,001 --> 04:34:21,000 THE WAR WITH TERROR GOES ON 7701 04:34:21,001 --> 04:34:24,000 FROM THE TERRORISTS UNTIL THEY WIN. 7702 04:34:24,001 --> 04:34:26,000 IT BECOMES A VERY ONE-SIDED WAR. 7703 04:34:26,001 --> 04:34:29,000 UNTIL EVENTUALLY WE EITHER LOSE 7704 04:34:29,001 --> 04:34:33,000 THE COUNTRY OUT OF FEAR OR 7705 04:34:33,001 --> 04:34:35,000 TERROR OR THE AMERICAN CITIZENS 7706 04:34:35,001 --> 04:34:37,000 DECIDE GEE, THE RISK IS SO 7707 04:34:37,001 --> 04:34:41,000 GREAT, LET'S JUST MAKE OUR 7708 04:34:41,001 --> 04:34:42,000 PRESIDENT KING AND GO TO A 7709 04:34:42,001 --> 04:34:45,000 DICTATORSHIP BECAUSE SO OFTEN 7710 04:34:45,001 --> 04:34:48,000 IN HISTORY, PEOPLE PREFER A 7711 04:34:48,001 --> 04:34:51,000 DICTATORSHIP OR A KING OR A SEE 7712 04:34:51,001 --> 04:34:53,000 SAR, IF THEY CAN A-- OR A 7713 04:34:53,001 --> 04:34:54,000 CAESAR, IF THEY CAN ASSURE 7714 04:34:54,001 --> 04:34:57,000 THEY'LL BE BETTER PROTECT. 7715 04:34:57,001 --> 04:34:59,000 THAT IS WHY I DIDED, SINCE IT 7716 04:34:59,001 --> 04:35:02,000 DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE 7717 04:35:02,001 --> 04:35:04,000 JUDGMENT HAD BEEN USED IN 7718 04:35:04,001 --> 04:35:07,000 WANTING TO BRING TERRORISTS WHO 7719 04:35:07,001 --> 04:35:09,000 SAID THEY PARTICIPATED AND 7720 04:35:09,001 --> 04:35:11,000 PLANNED THE 9/11 ATTACKS, THEY 7721 04:35:11,001 --> 04:35:14,000 JUST HOPE TO KILL A LOT MORE 7722 04:35:14,001 --> 04:35:16,000 THAN 3,000 PEOPLE AND PERHAPS 7723 04:35:16,001 --> 04:35:17,000 HAD HOPED TO KILL TENS OF 7724 04:35:17,001 --> 04:35:20,000 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IF THE 7725 04:35:20,001 --> 04:35:22,000 BUILDINGS HAD COLLAPSED SOONER, 7726 04:35:22,001 --> 04:35:23,000 IT SEEMED TO ME WE NEEDED TO 7727 04:35:23,001 --> 04:35:25,000 FIX THIS. 7728 04:35:25,001 --> 04:35:27,000 10 WE'RE WORKING ON THE 7729 04:35:27,001 --> 04:35:30,000 LANGUAGE, HOPE TO FILE IT 7730 04:35:30,001 --> 04:35:33,000 TOMORROW, NO LATER THAN 7731 04:35:33,001 --> 04:35:35,000 THURSDAY, THAT WILL MAKEHIS 7732 04:35:35,001 --> 04:35:37,000 MANDATORY, THAT ANY ALIEN 7733 04:35:37,001 --> 04:35:40,000 UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENT 7734 04:35:40,001 --> 04:35:42,000 SHALL BE EXCLUSIVELY SUBJECT TO 7735 04:35:42,001 --> 04:35:44,000 TRIAL BY MILITARY COMMISSION AS 7736 04:35:44,001 --> 04:35:46,000 SET FORTH IN THIS CHAPTER. 7737 04:35:46,001 --> 04:35:48,000 WORDS ALONG THAT LINE SYSTEM OF 7738 04:35:48,001 --> 04:35:50,000 THAT IT IS NOT AN OPTION FOR 7739 04:35:50,001 --> 04:35:52,000 PEOPLE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND 7740 04:35:52,001 --> 04:35:55,000 THE RISKS TO WHICH THEY PUT 7741 04:35:55,001 --> 04:35:58,000 AMERICAN CITIZENS. 7742 04:35:58,001 --> 04:36:02,000 ONCE YOU GATHER THE EVIDENCE, 7743 04:36:02,001 --> 04:36:04,000 ONCE YOU HAVE THE TERRORISTS IN 7744 04:36:04,001 --> 04:36:06,000 NEW YORK CITY, I WOULD EXPECT 7745 04:36:06,001 --> 04:36:07,000 THAT'S PROBABLY STRATEGICALLY 7746 04:36:07,001 --> 04:36:09,000 WHEN THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS 7747 04:36:09,001 --> 04:36:10,000 WOULD FILE A MOTION TO CHANGE 7748 04:36:10,001 --> 04:36:11,000 VENUE. 7749 04:36:11,001 --> 04:36:14,000 OF COURSE THE TERRORISTS MAY 7750 04:36:14,001 --> 04:36:15,000 WANT TO KEEP IT IN NEW YORK 7751 04:36:15,001 --> 04:36:18,000 CITY, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT 7752 04:36:18,001 --> 04:36:20,000 ALLEGE THEY COULDN'T GET A FAIR 7753 04:36:20,001 --> 04:36:21,000 TRIAL BECAUSE PERHAPS EVERY 7754 04:36:21,001 --> 04:36:24,000 SINGLE PERSON IN NEW YORK CITY 7755 04:36:24,001 --> 04:36:26,000 ELIGIBLE FOR JURYUTY MIGHT 7756 04:36:26,001 --> 04:36:30,000 HAVE HEARD ABOUT 9/11 AND MAY 7757 04:36:30,001 --> 04:36:33,000 HAVE DRAWN OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT 7758 04:36:33,001 --> 04:36:34,000 HAPPENED THAT DAY, IT IS A 7759 04:36:34,001 --> 04:36:38,000 BETTER PLACE FOR TERRORISTS TO 7760 04:36:38,001 --> 04:36:41,000 REMAIN AND BE HELD AND DRAG OUT 7761 04:36:41,001 --> 04:36:43,000 A VERY LONG, SUSTAINED TRIAL. 7762 04:36:43,001 --> 04:36:49,000 BECAUSE AS YOU FIND, IF YOU'VE 7763 04:36:49,001 --> 04:36:50,000 BEEN AROUND THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM 7764 04:36:50,001 --> 04:36:52,000 IF A DEFENDANT HAS ACCESS TO 7765 04:36:52,001 --> 04:36:54,000 TREMENDOUS AMOUNTS OF MONEY, 7766 04:36:54,001 --> 04:36:57,000 YOU CAN EXPECT THEM TO CALL 7767 04:36:57,001 --> 04:36:59,000 EXPERT AFTER EXPERT AFTER 7768 04:36:59,001 --> 04:37:02,000 EXPERT A YES, FEDERAL JUDGES 7769 04:37:02,001 --> 04:37:05,000 CAN REIN IN THE NUMBER OF 7770 04:37:05,001 --> 04:37:07,000 EXPERT, BUT IF THEY'RE 7771 04:37:07,001 --> 04:37:09,000 -- CREATIVE ENOUGH THEY MAY BE 7772 04:37:09,001 --> 04:37:10,000 ABLE TO COME UP WITH ENOUGH 7773 04:37:10,001 --> 04:37:13,000 EXPERTS TO DRAG THIS THING OUT 7774 04:37:13,001 --> 04:37:15,000 AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE RULES 7775 04:37:15,001 --> 04:37:17,000 IN FEDERAL COURT, STATE COURTS 7776 04:37:17,001 --> 04:37:19,000 AS WELL, THAT THE JUDGE HAS TO 7777 04:37:19,001 --> 04:37:20,000 BE THE GATE KEEP OVER WHAT 7778 04:37:20,001 --> 04:37:22,000 EXPERTS WILL BE ALLOWED TO 7779 04:37:22,001 --> 04:37:25,000 TESTIFY. 7780 04:37:25,001 --> 04:37:27,000 THEY HAVE TO BE FOUND TO BE 7781 04:37:27,001 --> 04:37:28,000 COMPETENT IN THE AREA TO WHICH 7782 04:37:28,001 --> 04:37:30,000 THEY'RE GOING TO TESTIFY: SO 7783 04:37:30,001 --> 04:37:32,000 THE JUDGE MAY HAVE WEEKS AND 7784 04:37:32,001 --> 04:37:34,000 WEEKS AND WEEKS OF HEARINGS ON 7785 04:37:34,001 --> 04:37:35,000 WHETHER AN EXPERT WILL BE 7786 04:37:35,001 --> 04:37:37,000 ALLOWED TO TESTIFY. 7787 04:37:37,001 --> 04:37:39,000 THERE MAY BE WEEKS AND WEEKS 7788 04:37:39,001 --> 04:37:41,000 AND WEEKS OF HEARINGS REGARDING 7789 04:37:41,001 --> 04:37:43,000 CHANGE OF VENUE EVIDENCE 7790 04:37:43,001 --> 04:37:45,000 WHETHER THE CASE SHOULD BE 7791 04:37:45,001 --> 04:37:48,000 TRANSFERRED AND IF SO, WHERE IT 7792 04:37:48,001 --> 04:37:49,000 COULD BE TRANSFERRED. 7793 04:37:49,001 --> 04:37:53,000 WHERE A FAIR TRIAL COULD BE 7794 04:37:53,001 --> 04:37:55,000 HAD. 7795 04:37:55,001 --> 04:37:58,000 AMAZING, BUT SOME OF THESE 7796 04:37:58,001 --> 04:38:00,000 THINGS, I DO NOT BELIEVE GOT 7797 04:38:00,001 --> 04:38:02,000 ADEQUATE CONSIDERATION BEFORE 7798 04:38:02,001 --> 04:38:06,000 ACTION WAS TAKEN. 7799 04:38:06,001 --> 04:38:10,000 SO WE HAVE T 7800 04:38:10,001 --> 04:38:13,000 GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO NEW 7801 04:38:13,001 --> 04:38:16,000 YORK, PERHAPS SOME TO ILLINOIS, 7802 04:38:16,001 --> 04:38:21,000 AS THEY'RE AWAITING TRIAL, 7803 04:38:21,001 --> 04:38:26,000 THING GETS DRAGGED OUT, PERHAPS 7804 04:38:26,001 --> 04:38:27,000 THE FRIENDS OF THE TERRORISTS 7805 04:38:27,001 --> 04:38:30,000 WE KNOW PEOPLE CAN GET INTO 7806 04:38:30,001 --> 04:38:32,000 THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, WE KNOW 7807 04:38:32,001 --> 04:38:35,000 PEOPLE HAVE COME IN LEGALLY, 7808 04:38:35,001 --> 04:38:38,000 OVERSTAID THEIR VISAS, WE'RE 7809 04:38:38,001 --> 04:38:39,000 NOT ENFORCING VISA TERMINATIONS 7810 04:38:39,001 --> 04:38:41,000 ADEQUATE LEW. 7811 04:38:41,001 --> 04:38:42,000 THEY COULD HAVE FRIENDS HERE 7812 04:38:42,001 --> 04:38:44,000 ILLEGALLY, THEY COULD HAVE 7813 04:38:44,001 --> 04:38:45,000 PEOPLE HERE LEGALLY, BUT YOU 7814 04:38:45,001 --> 04:38:49,000 CAN BET, THEY'LL BE TESTING OUT 7815 04:38:49,001 --> 04:38:51,000 THE ADKAKA -- ADQUACY OF THE 7816 04:38:51,001 --> 04:38:54,000 COURT SYSTEM IN -- ADEQUACY OF 7817 04:38:54,001 --> 04:38:56,000 THE COURT SYSTEM IN WHICH THEIR 7818 04:38:56,001 --> 04:39:00,000 BUDDIES ARE BEING TRIED. 7819 04:39:00,001 --> 04:39:01,000 HAVING READ THE PLEADING BY 7820 04:39:01,001 --> 04:39:03,000 KHAL 7821 04:39:03,001 --> 04:39:05,000 THEY INTEND TO TERRORIZE US AND 7822 04:39:05,001 --> 04:39:06,000 DEFEAT US AND DESTROY US, THEIR 7823 04:39:06,001 --> 04:39:07,000 FRIENDS WILL BE LOOKING FOR A 7824 04:39:07,001 --> 04:39:09,000 WAY TO DO THAT. 7825 04:39:09,001 --> 04:39:11,000 WHAT BETTER WAY THAN IN THE 7826 04:39:11,001 --> 04:39:13,000 MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREA IN 7827 04:39:13,001 --> 04:39:15,000 THIS COUNTRY? 7828 04:39:15,001 --> 04:39:16,000 TO HAVE SOME TERRORIST THREATS 7829 04:39:16,001 --> 04:39:17,000 GO ON. 7830 04:39:17,001 --> 04:39:20,000 AND WHAT YOU NORMALLY HAVE WHEN 7831 04:39:20,001 --> 04:39:22,000 THE TERRORIST THREATS GO ON IS 7832 04:39:22,001 --> 04:39:25,000 EVACUATIONS. 7833 04:39:25,001 --> 04:39:27,000 AND THAT'S WHEN IT IS EXTREMELY 7834 04:39:27,001 --> 04:39:29,000 HELPFUL TO HAVE A 7835 04:39:29,001 --> 04:39:32,000 ORGANIZER IN THE WHITE HOUS 7836 04:39:32,001 --> 04:39:33,000 BECAUSE YOU'LL NEED LOTS OF 7837 04:39:33,001 --> 04:39:37,000 COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION IN ORDER 7838 04:39:37,001 --> 04:39:39,000 TO ADEQUATELY EVACUATE MASSIVE 7839 04:39:39,001 --> 04:39:42,000 AREAS OF THE MOST DENSELY 7840 04:39:42,001 --> 04:39:44,000 POPULATED AREA IN AMERICA. 7841 04:39:44,001 --> 04:39:48,000 AS THE THREATS WILL LIKELY BE 7842 04:39:48,001 --> 04:39:50,000 COMING. 7843 04:39:50,001 --> 04:39:53,000 SEEN IT HAPPEN IN MY OWN 7844 04:39:53,001 --> 04:39:57,000 COURTHOUSE, WHEN I WAS A JUDGE, 7845 04:39:57,001 --> 04:39:58,000 I NORMALLY 7846 04:39:58,001 --> 04:40:00,000 HAD THAT LUXURY SINCE I COULD 7847 04:40:00,001 --> 04:40:02,000 ORDER THE DEPUTIES TO LEAVE ME 7848 04:40:02,001 --> 04:40:04,000 ALONE. 7849 04:40:04,001 --> 04:40:06,000 BUT YOU'LL HAVE THOSE TYPE OF 7850 04:40:06,001 --> 04:40:09,000 THINGS. 7851 04:40:09,001 --> 04:40:14,000 N WE BE SURE THAT THERE WILL 7852 04:40:14,001 --> 04:40:20,000 NOT BE A TRUCK, A VEHICLE 7853 04:40:20,001 --> 04:40:22,000 LOADED WITH EXPLOSIVES THAT 7854 04:40:22,001 --> 04:40:23,000 PERHAPS COMMITS AN ACT OF 7855 04:40:23,001 --> 04:40:24,000 TERRORISM IN ONE OF THE 7856 04:40:24,001 --> 04:40:27,000 TUNNELS? 7857 04:40:27,001 --> 04:40:28,000 OR A VEHICLE, YOU CUFF A NUMBER 7858 04:40:28,001 --> 04:40:31,000 OF VEHICLES COMING THROUGH THE 7859 04:40:31,001 --> 04:40:33,000 TUNNEL, COMING ACROSS THE 7860 04:40:33,001 --> 04:40:35,000 BRIDGES, LOADED WITH 7861 04:40:35,001 --> 04:40:38,000 EXPLOSIVES, THINGS TO INSTILL 7862 04:40:38,001 --> 04:40:40,000 FEAR IN THE MINDS OF AMERICAN 7863 04:40:40,001 --> 04:40:42,000 CITIZENS. 7864 04:40:42,001 --> 04:40:44,000 BECAUSE APPARENTLY THESE 7865 04:40:44,001 --> 04:40:50,000 TERRORISTS ENJOY SEEING 7866 04:40:50,001 --> 04:40:52,000 AMERICANS FLEE IN FARE. 7867 04:40:52,001 --> 04:40:53,000 WE'VE HAD AN EVACUATION HERE A 7868 04:40:53,001 --> 04:40:54,000 COUPLE OF TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN 7869 04:40:54,001 --> 04:40:56,000 IN CONGRESS. 7870 04:40:56,001 --> 04:40:57,000 MY BROTR CALLED AFTER THE 7871 04:40:57,001 --> 04:40:58,000 FIRST TIME IT HAPPENED SINCE 7872 04:40:58,001 --> 04:41:02,000 I'VE BEEN HERE AND HE SAID, I 7873 04:41:02,001 --> 04:41:05,000 DIDN'T SEE YOU RUNNING OUT OF 7874 04:41:05,001 --> 04:41:06,000 THE CAPITOL ON VIDEO AND I SAID, 7875 04:41:06,001 --> 04:41:09,000 PERHAPS THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS THE 7876 04:41:09,001 --> 04:41:10,000 LAST ONE OUT. 7877 04:41:10,001 --> 04:41:15,000 I WOULD RATHER BE KILLED BY A 7878 04:41:15,001 --> 04:41:16,000 TERRORIST THAN TO SEE -- THAN TO 7879 04:41:16,001 --> 04:41:18,000 HAVE THEM SEE LEGISLATORS 7880 04:41:18,001 --> 04:41:20,000 RUNNING IN FEAR BECAUSE THERE'S 7881 04:41:20,001 --> 04:41:21,000 SO TERRORIST THREAT TO THE 7882 04:41:21,001 --> 04:41:23,000 CAPITOL. 7883 04:41:23,001 --> 04:41:25,000 JUST TAKE ME OUT. 7884 04:41:25,001 --> 04:41:27,000 I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WHEN THIS 7885 04:41:27,001 --> 04:41:29,000 LIFE IS OVER SO I'M NOT TERRIBLY 7886 04:41:29,001 --> 04:41:32,000 WORRIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS FROM 7887 04:41:32,001 --> 04:41:33,000 THEN ON. 7888 04:41:33,001 --> 04:41:36,000 SO BACK TO THE TRIAL. 7889 04:41:36,001 --> 04:41:37,000 THOSE KINDS OF ACTS, THOSE KINDS 7890 04:41:37,001 --> 04:41:40,000 OF THREATS, COULD NORMALLY BE 7891 04:41:40,001 --> 04:41:41,000 EXPECTED DURING THE COURSE OF A 7892 04:41:41,001 --> 04:41:42,000 TRIAL. 7893 04:41:42,001 --> 04:41:47,000 AND AS THE TRIAL GOES ON, YOU 7894 04:41:47,001 --> 04:41:48,000 THINK ABOUT THE JAILERS WHO ARE 7895 04:41:48,001 --> 04:41:51,000 MAINTAING WATCH ON THE 7896 04:41:51,001 --> 04:41:53,000 TERRORISTS IN NEW YORK CITY. 7897 04:41:53,001 --> 04:41:54,000 YOU THINK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES, 7898 04:41:54,001 --> 04:41:58,000 MAYBE THEIR IMMEDIATE FAMILY, 7899 04:41:58,001 --> 04:41:59,000 THEIR WIFE, THEIR CHILDREN, 7900 04:41:59,001 --> 04:42:01,000 THEIR HUSBAND AND THEIR 7901 04:42:01,001 --> 04:42:03,000 CHILDREN. 7902 04:42:03,001 --> 04:42:09,000 YOU THINK ABOUT PERHAPS EVEN 7903 04:42:09,001 --> 04:42:10,000 THEIR MOTHER OR FATHER, SIBLINGS 7904 04:42:10,001 --> 04:42:12,000 . 7905 04:42:12,001 --> 04:42:15,000 WHO WILL BE SAFE BECAUSE YOU 7906 04:42:15,001 --> 04:42:17,000 KNOW AS MUCH RESEARCH AS WENT IN 7907 04:42:17,001 --> 04:42:19,000 SO CAREFULLY TO THE PLANNING AND 7908 04:42:19,001 --> 04:42:20,000 THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD 7909 04:42:20,001 --> 04:42:22,000 TRADE CENTERS, THAT PLANNING 7910 04:42:22,001 --> 04:42:24,000 WILL LIKELY GO 7911 04:42:24,001 --> 04:42:27,000 TERRORIST ATTACK AND WHAT BETTER 7912 04:42:27,001 --> 04:42:29,000 TIME THAN WHEN TERRORISTS ARE ON 7913 04:42:29,001 --> 04:42:31,000 TRIAL IN NEW YORK BECAUSE TO 7914 04:42:31,001 --> 04:42:35,000 THEIR WARPED DISTORTED WAY OF 7915 04:42:35,001 --> 04:42:36,000 THINKING, WHAT A GREAT TIME TO 7916 04:42:36,001 --> 04:42:39,000 BE BLOWN UP WITH ALL THESE 7917 04:42:39,001 --> 04:42:42,000 INFIDELS SURROUNDING THEM IN NEW 7918 04:42:42,001 --> 04:42:45,000 YORK CIT 7919 04:42:45,001 --> 04:42:47,000 INFIDELS TO THEM, INNOCENTS WHO 7920 04:42:47,001 --> 04:42:49,000 DESERVE PROTECTION FROM THE REST OF US. 7921 04:42:49,001 --> 04:42:50,000 SO THEN AS YOU GET THROUGH THE 7922 04:42:50,001 --> 04:42:52,000 TRIAL, YOU HAVE NOT ONLY THE 7923 04:42:52,001 --> 04:42:53,000 JAILERS, YOU HAVE BAILIFFS, YOU 7924 04:42:53,001 --> 04:42:57,000 HAVE JAILERS THAT TRANSPORT 7925 04:42:57,001 --> 04:42:59,000 THEM, YET PEOPLE WORKING ON THE 7926 04:42:59,001 --> 04:43:03,000 VEHICLES THAT WILL TRANSPORT 7927 04:43:03,001 --> 04:43:06,000 THEM, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WORKING ON 7928 04:43:06,001 --> 04:43:07,000 PERHAPS AIR COVER AND WORKING ON 7929 04:43:07,001 --> 04:43:08,000 THE AIRCRAFT THAT WILL PROVIDE 7930 04:43:08,001 --> 04:43:10,000 AIR COVER IF ANY. 7931 04:43:10,001 --> 04:43:13,000 YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE IN 7932 04:43:13,001 --> 04:43:16,000 THOSE VEHICLES AND AIRCRAFTS. 7933 04:43:16,001 --> 04:43:20,000 YOU HAVE PEOPLE ALL ALONG THE 7934 04:43:20,001 --> 04:43:22,000 WAY AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS A 7935 04:43:22,001 --> 04:43:24,000 POTENTIAL LINK THAT MAY BE 7936 04:43:24,001 --> 04:43:28,000 EXPLOITED BY TERRORISTS, EITHER 7937 04:43:28,001 --> 04:43:31,000 OF THEIR FAMILIES OR OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS. 7938 04:43:31,001 --> 04:43:34,000 BECAUSE THESE INDIVIDUALS INTEND 7939 04:43:34,001 --> 04:43:37,000 TO SCARE US AND TO SHOW THAT WE 7940 04:43:37,001 --> 04:43:39,000 CAN DO THEM NO HARM BUT THEY CAN 7941 04:43:39,001 --> 04:43:41,000 SURE SCARE US. 7942 04:43:41,001 --> 04:43:43,000 SO WHAT BETTER OPPORTUNITY? 7943 04:43:43,001 --> 04:43:45,000 DURING THE COURSE OF THE TRIAL, 7944 04:43:45,001 --> 04:43:48,000 OF COURSE, IT'S A DAILY THING TO 7945 04:43:48,001 --> 04:43:50,000 TRANSPORT PRISONERS BACK AND 7946 04:43:50,001 --> 04:43:52,000 FORTH FROM THE COURTROOM. 7947 04:43:52,001 --> 04:43:56,000 YOU HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE 7948 04:43:56,001 --> 04:43:57,000 COURTHOUSE, THEY MAY BE MORE 7949 04:43:57,001 --> 04:43:59,000 RESTRICTED DURING THE TRIAL BUT 7950 04:43:59,001 --> 04:44:03,000 THE REALLY DIFFICULT TO RESTRICT 7951 04:44:03,001 --> 04:44:04,000 THE ONGOING BUSINESS IN NEW YORK 7952 04:44:04,001 --> 04:44:10,000 CITY. 7953 04:44:10,001 --> 04:44:16,000 AND ESPECIALLY SINCE, AS I READ, 7954 04:44:16,001 --> 04:44:18,000 THEY INTEND TO HAVE THEM BROUGHT 7955 04:44:18,001 --> 04:44:20,000 IN MANHATTAN IN THE SOUTHERN 7956 04:44:20,001 --> 04:44:25,000 DISTRICT OF NEW YORK. 7957 04:44:25,001 --> 04:44:27,000 TO MANHATTAN ITSELF. 7958 04:44:27,001 --> 04:44:28,000 UNBELIEVABLE. 7959 04:44:28,001 --> 04:44:30,000 UNBELIEVABLE. 7960 04:44:30,001 --> 04:44:32,000 SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE 7961 04:44:32,001 --> 04:44:34,000 THAT ARE AT RISK. 7962 04:44:34,001 --> 04:44:37,000 INCLUDING THE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK 7963 04:44:37,001 --> 04:44:38,000 CITY. 7964 04:44:38,001 --> 04:44:40,000 AND IN CASE SOMEONE, MR. 7965 04:44:40,001 --> 04:44:43,000 SPEAKER, IS TPTED TO THINK, 7966 04:44:43,001 --> 04:44:46,000 WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 2009, 7967 04:44:46,001 --> 04:44:48,000 THAT OCCURRED SEPTEMBER OF 2001, 7968 04:44:48,001 --> 04:44:50,000 I'M SURE THOSE PEOPLE HAVE 7969 04:44:50,001 --> 04:44:53,000 GOTTENVER THE PANIC, THE FEAR, 7970 04:44:53,001 --> 04:44:56,000 THE TRAUMA, THE TRAGEDY OF THAT 7971 04:44:56,001 --> 04:44:59,000 HORRIBLE DAY ON 9/11. 7972 04:44:59,001 --> 04:45:02,000 BUT YOU DON'T VE TO GO VERY 7973 04:45:02,001 --> 04:45:04,000 FAR BACK AND RECALL THE 7974 04:45:04,001 --> 04:45:05,000 INSENSITIVITY OF THIS 7975 04:45:05,001 --> 04:45:09,000 ADMINISTRATION IN HAVING AIR 7976 04:45:09,001 --> 04:45:13,000 FORCE ONE FLY OVER NEW YORK 7977 04:45:13,001 --> 04:45:16,000 ACCOMPANIED BY FIGHTER JETS 7978 04:45:16,001 --> 04:45:18,000 WHICH CAUSED A SHEER PANIC AS 7979 04:45:18,001 --> 04:45:21,000 SOME MAY HAVE SEEN ON YOUTUBE 7980 04:45:21,001 --> 04:45:23,000 AMONG CITIZENS IN NEW YORK 7981 04:45:23,001 --> 04:45:24,000 BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT, IT'S 7982 04:45:24,001 --> 04:45:26,000 HAPPENING AGAIN, AND THAT 7983 04:45:26,001 --> 04:45:30,000 FIGHTER MAY HAVE TO SHOOT DOWN 7984 04:45:30,001 --> 04:45:31,000 THE AIR FORCE ONE. 7985 04:45:31,001 --> 04:45:33,000 IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE 7986 04:45:33,001 --> 04:45:35,000 INSENSITIVITY AND AS SOME MAY 7987 04:45:35,001 --> 04:45:37,000 RECALL, AT LEAST ONE PERSON LOST 7988 04:45:37,001 --> 04:45:40,000 THEIR JOB OVER IT. 7989 04:45:40,001 --> 04:45:43,000 IT WON'T TAKE MUCH TO START THE 7990 04:45:43,001 --> 04:45:45,000 PANIC ALL OVER AGAIN. 7991 04:45:45,001 --> 04:45:47,000 THE INSENSITIVITY IS JUST 7992 04:45:47,001 --> 04:45:48,000 AMAZING. 7993 04:45:48,001 --> 04:45:51,000 JUST AMAZING. 7994 04:45:51,001 --> 04:45:54,000 AND SO WE'RE TOLD IN ADDITION 7995 04:45:54,001 --> 04:45:57,000 NOT ONLY SHOULD WE BRING THESE 7996 04:45:57,001 --> 04:45:58,000 TERRORISTS TO NEW YORK CITY, THE 7997 04:45:58,001 --> 04:46:04,000 MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREA IN 7998 04:46:04,001 --> 04:46:07,000 THE COUNTRY, BUT WE SHOULD KEEP 7999 04:46:07,001 --> 04:46:09,000 IN MIND THAT WE'RE ONE OF THE 8000 04:46:09,001 --> 04:46:10,000 LARGEST MUSLIM NATIONS IN THE 8001 04:46:10,001 --> 04:46:13,000 RLD. 8002 04:46:13,001 --> 04:46:14,000 THAT WE'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN 8003 04:46:14,001 --> 04:46:19,000 NATION. 8004 04:46:19,001 --> 04:46:22,000 BUT I CAN'T HELP 8005 04:46:22,001 --> 04:46:23,000 HALLOWED HALL, THIS INCREDIBLE 8006 04:46:23,001 --> 04:46:25,000 HISTORIC BUILDING, GO BACK TO 8007 04:46:25,001 --> 04:46:27,000 THE PAINTING OF GEORGE 8008 04:46:27,001 --> 04:46:31,000 WASHINGTON DOWN THE HALL AS HE 8009 04:46:31,001 --> 04:46:33,000 EXTENDED HIS RESIGNATION AND THE 8010 04:46:33,001 --> 04:46:37,000 END OF IT, OF THE RESIGNATION, 8011 04:46:37,001 --> 04:46:39,000 AFTER HE HAD WON 8012 04:46:39,001 --> 04:46:40,000 AS HE RESIGNED WHICH WAS 8013 04:46:40,001 --> 04:46:42,000 SOMETHING THAT HAD NEVER BEFORE 8014 04:46:42,001 --> 04:46:46,000 OR SINCE BEEN DONE IN THE 8015 04:46:46,001 --> 04:46:47,000 HISTORY OF MANKIND, LEAD A 8016 04:46:47,001 --> 04:46:50,000 REVOLUTIONARY MILITARY, WIN THE 8017 04:46:50,001 --> 04:46:53,000 REVOLUON AND THEN JUST GO HOME 8018 04:46:53,001 --> 04:46:55,000 AFTER YOU DID YOUR JOB. 8019 04:46:55,001 --> 04:46:58,000 WASHINGTON WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY MAN. 8020 04:46:58,001 --> 04:47:00,000 AT THE END OF HIS RESIGNATION HE 8021 04:47:00,001 --> 04:47:01,000 SAYS, I NOW MAKE IT MY HONEST 8022 04:47:01,001 --> 04:47:03,000 PRAYER, THAT'S RIGHT, PRAYER, 8023 04:47:03,001 --> 04:47:07,000 THAT GOD WOULD HAVE YOU AND THE 8024 04:47:07,001 --> 04:47:10,000 STATE OVER WHICH YOU PRESIDE IN HIS HOLY PROTECTION. 8025 04:47:10,001 --> 04:47:13,000 THAT HE WOULD INCLINE THE 8026 04:47:13,001 --> 04:47:14,000 OF THE CITIZENS TO CULTIVATE A 8027 04:47:14,001 --> 04:47:15,000 SPIRIT OF SBORD NATION, 8028 04:47:15,001 --> 04:47:16,000 OBEDIENCE TO GOVERNMENT, TO 8029 04:47:16,001 --> 04:47:18,000 ENTERTAIN A BROTHERLY AFFECTION 8030 04:47:18,001 --> 04:47:20,000 AND LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER, FOR 8031 04:47:20,001 --> 04:47:22,000 THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS OF THE 8032 04:47:22,001 --> 04:47:24,000 UNITED STATES AND PARTICULARLY 8033 04:47:24,001 --> 04:47:27,000 FOR THEIR BRETHREN WHO IS HAVE SERVED IN THE FIELD WHICH IS 8034 04:47:27,001 --> 04:47:29,000 WHAT WE JUST DID ON VETERANS DAY. 8035 04:47:29,001 --> 04:47:30,000 THESE ARE WASHINGTON'S OWN WORDS 8036 04:47:30,001 --> 04:47:33,000 THAT HE WROTE IN HIS RESIGNATION 8037 04:47:33,001 --> 04:47:37,000 AT THE END. 8038 04:47:37,001 --> 04:47:40,000 AND FINALLY, DOES H GOD, WOULD 8039 04:47:40,001 --> 04:47:41,000 MOST GRACIOUSLY BE PLEASED TO 8040 04:47:41,001 --> 04:47:43,000 DISPOSE US ALL TO DO JUSTICETO 8041 04:47:43,001 --> 04:47:46,000 LOVE MERCY AND TO DEMEAN 8042 04:47:46,001 --> 04:47:48,000 OURSELVES WITH CHARITY AND 8043 04:47:48,001 --> 04:47:51,000 HUMILITY AND SPECIFIC TEMPER OF 8044 04:47:51,001 --> 04:47:52,000 MIND WHICH WERE THE 8045 04:47:52,001 --> 04:47:55,000 CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DIVINE 8046 04:47:55,001 --> 04:47:57,000 AUTHOR OF OUR BLESSED RELIGION. 8047 04:47:57,001 --> 04:48:00,000 THAT'S WHO HE THOUGHT WAS THE 8048 04:48:00,001 --> 04:48:01,000 DIVINE AUTHOR OF OUR BLESSED 8049 04:48:01,001 --> 04:48:03,000 REASONABLE. 8050 04:48:03,001 --> 04:48:04,000 AND WITHOUT A NOBLE INVITATION 8051 04:48:04,001 --> 04:48:07,000 OF WHOSE EXAMPLE IN THESE THINGS 8052 04:48:07,001 --> 04:48:10,000 WE CANNEVER HOPE TO BE A HAPPY 8053 04:48:10,001 --> 04:48:13,000 NATION AND HE SIGNED THAT, 8054 04:48:13,001 --> 04:48:15,000 HONORED TO BE WITH GREAT RESPECT 8055 04:48:15,001 --> 04:48:19,000 AN ESTEEMED, YOUR EXCELLENCY'S 8056 04:48:19,001 --> 04:48:21,000 MOST HUMBLE SERVANT, GEORGE WASHINGTON. 8057 04:48:21,001 --> 04:48:22,000 NOW THAT WAS OUR FIRST 8058 04:48:22,001 --> 04:48:23,000 PRESIDENT. 8059 04:48:23,001 --> 04:48:25,000 THE FIRST COMMANDER IN CHIEF. 8060 04:48:25,001 --> 04:48:27,000 IS WORDS, THAT'S 8061 04:48:27,001 --> 04:48:30,000 WHAT HE THOUGHT. 8062 04:48:30,001 --> 04:48:32,000 HE THOUGHT WE HAD A DIVINE 8063 04:48:32,001 --> 04:48:34,000 AUTHOR OF OUR BLESSED RELIGION. 8064 04:48:34,001 --> 04:48:37,000 HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT OUR CURRENT 8065 04:48:37,001 --> 04:48:40,000 PRESIDENT KNOWS, APPARENTLY. 8066 04:48:40,001 --> 04:48:42,000 OUT HERE WE 8067 04:48:42,001 --> 04:48:46,000 RIGHT OUTSIDE, A MASSIVE 8068 04:48:46,001 --> 04:48:47,000 PAINTING,F THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. 8069 04:48:47,001 --> 04:48:49,000 AFTER NEARLY FIVE WEEKS OF 8070 04:48:49,001 --> 04:48:52,000 ACCOMPLISHING VIRTUALLY NOTHING, 8071 04:48:52,001 --> 04:48:54,000 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, 80 YEARS OLD, 8072 04:48:54,001 --> 04:48:58,000 ABOUT 2 1/2 YEARS AWAY FROM 8073 04:48:58,001 --> 04:49:00,000 MEETING HIS MAKER, BRILLIANT, 8074 04:49:00,001 --> 04:49:02,000 WITTY, CHARMING, 8075 04:49:02,001 --> 04:49:04,000 STOOD UP AND WAS RECOGNIZED -- 8076 04:49:04,001 --> 04:49:05,000 RECOGNIZED AND HE SAID, WE'VE 8077 04:49:05,001 --> 04:49:07,000 BEEN GOING FOR NEARLY FIVE 8078 04:49:07,001 --> 04:49:08,000 WEEKS, WE HAVE MORE NOES THAN 8079 04:49:08,001 --> 04:49:11,000 AYES NOW. 8080 04:49:11,001 --> 04:49:12,000 HE SAID, IN THIS SITUATION OF 8081 04:49:12,001 --> 04:49:15,000 THIS ASSEMBLY, WE KNOW THESE ARE 8082 04:49:15,001 --> 04:49:16,000 HIS WORDS TAKEN BY JAMES 8083 04:49:16,001 --> 04:49:18,000 MADISON, GROPING AS WE WERE IN 8084 04:49:18,001 --> 04:49:20,000 THE DA TO FIND POLITICAL TRUTH 8085 04:49:20,001 --> 04:49:23,000 AND SCARCE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH 8086 04:49:23,001 --> 04:49:25,000 IT WHEN PRESENTED TO US, HOW HAS 8087 04:49:25,001 --> 04:49:27,000 IT HAPPENED, SIR, THAT WE HAVE 8088 04:49:27,001 --> 04:49:29,000 NOT HITTING THER TO ONCE THOUGHT 8089 04:49:29,001 --> 04:49:32,000 OF HUMBLY APPLYING TO THE FATHER 8090 04:49:32,001 --> 04:49:34,000 OF LIGHTS TO ELIMINATE 8091 04:49:34,001 --> 04:49:36,000 UNDERSTANDING? 8092 04:49:36,001 --> 04:49:38,000 AND TO BE IN CONTEST WITH GREAT 8093 04:49:38,001 --> 04:49:40,000 BRITAIN WHEN WE WERE SENSIBLE OF 8094 04:49:40,001 --> 04:49:44,000 DANGER, WE HAD DAILY PRAYER IN 8095 04:49:44,001 --> 04:49:46,000 THIS ROOM FOR THE DIVINE PROTECTION. 8096 04:49:46,001 --> 04:49:48,000 OUR PRAYERS, SIR, WERE HEARD AND 8097 04:49:48,001 --> 04:49:49,000 THEY WERE GRACIOUSLY ANSWERED. 8098 04:49:49,001 --> 04:49:52,000 ALL OF US WHO WERE ENGAGED IN 8099 04:49:52,001 --> 04:49:55,000 THE STRUGGLE MUST HAVE OBSERVED 8100 04:49:55,001 --> 04:49:57,000 FREQUENT INSTANCES OF A 8101 04:49:57,001 --> 04:49:58,000 SUPERINTENDING PROVIDENCE IN OUR 8102 04:49:58,001 --> 04:49:59,000 FAVOR. 8103 04:49:59,001 --> 04:50:03,000 TO THAT KIND OF PROVIDENCE WE 8104 04:50:03,001 --> 04:50:04,000 OWE THIS HAPPY OPPORTUNITY OF 8105 04:50:04,001 --> 04:50:09,000 CONSULTING IN PEACE ON THE MEANS 8106 04:50:09,001 --> 04:50:10,000 OF ESTABLISHING OUR FUTURE 8107 04:50:10,001 --> 04:50:13,000 NATIONAL FELICITY. 8108 04:50:13,001 --> 04:50:15,000 HAVE WE NOW FORGET THAN POWERFUL FRIEND? 8109 04:50:15,001 --> 04:50:20,000 OR DO WE IMAGINE THAT WE NO 8110 04:50:20,001 --> 04:50:22,000 LONGER NEED HIS ASSISTANCE? 8111 04:50:22,001 --> 04:50:24,000 SEE, THIS WAS DURING THE 8112 04:50:24,001 --> 04:50:27,000 FOUNDING, THE CREATION OF THE 8113 04:50:27,001 --> 04:50:30,000 CONSTITUTION. 8114 04:50:30,001 --> 04:50:34,000 THE FOUNDERS FELT LIKE IT WAS OK 8115 04:50:34,001 --> 04:50:36,000 TO PRAY TO GOD FOR DIVINE 8116 04:50:36,001 --> 04:50:38,000 PROTECTION AND THEY WERE NOT 8117 04:50:38,001 --> 04:50:43,000 WORRIED IF THAT INSULTED SOMEONE 8118 04:50:43,001 --> 04:50:44,000 BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THEY BELIEVED. 8119 04:50:44,001 --> 04:50:46,000 FRANIN GOES ON, HE SAID, ALL 8120 04:50:46,001 --> 04:50:47,000 OF US WHO WERE ENGAGED IN THE 8121 04:50:47,001 --> 04:50:51,000 STRUGGLE MUST HAVE OBSERVED 8122 04:50:51,001 --> 04:50:54,000 FREQUENT INSTANCES OF A PROVE 8123 04:50:54,001 --> 04:50:55,000 DENTS IN OUR FAVOR -- PROVE 8124 04:50:55,001 --> 04:50:57,000 AGAINST -- PROVIDENCE IN OUR FAVOR. 8125 04:50:57,001 --> 04:50:59,000 HE BELIEVED GOD WAS ANSWERING 8126 04:50:59,001 --> 04:51:01,000 OUR PRAYERS. 8127 04:51:01,001 --> 04:51:02,000 ANYWAY, HE GOES ON AND SAYS, 8128 04:51:02,001 --> 04:51:04,000 I'VE LIVED SO A LONG TIME AND 8129 04:51:04,001 --> 04:51:07,000 THE LONGER I LIVE THE MORE 8130 04:51:07,001 --> 04:51:08,000 CONVINCING PROOFS I SEE OF THIS 8131 04:51:08,001 --> 04:51:12,000 TRUTH. 8132 04:51:12,001 --> 04:51:14,000 GOD GOVERNS IN THE AFFAIRS OF MEN. 8133 04:51:14,001 --> 04:51:17,000 AND IF A SPELL CANNOT FALL TO 8134 04:51:17,001 --> 04:51:19,000 THE GROUND WITHOUT HIS NOTICE, 8135 04:51:19,001 --> 04:51:22,000 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT AN EMPIRE 8136 04:51:22,001 --> 04:51:24,000 COULD RISE WITHOUT HIS AID? 8137 04:51:24,001 --> 04:51:29,000 WE'VE BEEN ASSURED SO IN THE 8138 04:51:29,001 --> 04:51:30,000 SACRED WRITING THAT ACCEPT THE 8139 04:51:30,001 --> 04:51:33,000 LORD BUILD A HOUSE, THOUGH LABOR 8140 04:51:33,001 --> 04:51:35,000 IN VEIN THAT BUILD IT. 8141 04:51:35,001 --> 04:51:37,000 FIRMLY BELIEVE THIS, BENJAMIN 8142 04:51:37,001 --> 04:51:39,000 FRANKLIN SAID, HE WENT ON AND 8143 04:51:39,001 --> 04:51:41,000 SAID, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT 8144 04:51:41,001 --> 04:51:43,000 WITHOUT HIS CONCURRING AID WE 8145 04:51:43,001 --> 04:51:46,000 SHALL SUCCEED IN THIS POLITICAL 8146 04:51:46,001 --> 04:51:47,000 BUILDING NO BETTER THAN THE 8147 04:51:47,001 --> 04:51:50,000 BUILDERS OF BABBLE. 8148 04:51:50,001 --> 04:51:52,000 WE SHOULD BE DIVIDED BY -- BABEL. 8149 04:51:52,001 --> 04:51:53,000 WE SHOULD BE GUIDED BY LOCAL 8150 04:51:53,001 --> 04:51:55,000 INTERESTS, OUR PROJECTS WILL BE 8151 04:51:55,001 --> 04:51:57,000 CON FOUND AND WE OURSELVES WILL 8152 04:51:57,001 --> 04:51:59,000 BECOME A REPROACH AND A BIWORD 8153 04:51:59,001 --> 04:52:01,000 DOWN THROUGH THE AGES. 8154 04:52:01,001 --> 04:52:06,000 I THEREFORE BEG LEAVE TO MOVE 8155 04:52:06,001 --> 04:52:09,000 THAT IN IMPLORING THE ASSISTANCE 8156 04:52:09,001 --> 04:52:10,000 OF HEAVEN, IT WAS SECONDED 8157 04:52:10,001 --> 04:52:13,000 UNANIMOUSLY, ADOPTED FROM THAT 8158 04:52:13,001 --> 04:52:16,000 DAY TO THIS, WE DO NOT BEGIN IN 8159 04:52:16,001 --> 04:52:18,000 THIS CHAMBER OR PRIOR WHEN THE 8160 04:52:18,001 --> 04:52:21,000 CONGRESS MET IN OTHER CHAMBERS, 8161 04:52:21,001 --> 04:52:22,000 WE DON'T MEET WITHOUT STARTING 8162 04:52:22,001 --> 04:52:26,000 WITH PRAYER. 8163 04:52:26,001 --> 04:52:30,000 WITHOUT APOLOGIES. 8164 04:52:30,001 --> 04:52:33,000 YOU GO ON TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN, 8165 04:52:33,001 --> 04:52:34,000 ONE OF THE GREATEST THEOLOGICAL 8166 04:52:34,001 --> 04:52:39,000 DISCUSSIONS. 8167 04:52:39,001 --> 04:52:44,000 AND THIS CAME FROM A MAN WHO 8168 04:52:44,001 --> 04:52:46,000 BASICALLY WASN'T EDUCATED, 8169 04:52:46,001 --> 04:52:49,000 READ, SELF-TAUGHT, NEVER ASHESE 8170 04:52:49,001 --> 04:52:53,000 READER, BUT HE LOVED READING THE BIBLE. 8171 04:52:53,001 --> 04:52:56,000 HE BELIEVED IN GOD AS INDICATED 8172 04:52:56,001 --> 04:52:59,000 THROUGHOUT HIS WRITINGS AND AS 8173 04:52:59,001 --> 04:53:03,000 HE TRIED TO RECONCILE THE 8174 04:53:03,001 --> 04:53:06,000 HORRIBLE BLOODY CIVIL WAR THAT 8175 04:53:06,001 --> 04:53:08,000 HAD GONE ON, PROFOUND WORDS HE 8176 04:53:08,001 --> 04:53:11,000 WROTE, AS HE WRESTLED, YOU CAN 8177 04:53:11,001 --> 04:53:12,000 FEEL THE INTERCONFLICT IN 8178 04:53:12,001 --> 04:53:14,000 HIMSELF, WHEN HE TRIES TO 8179 04:53:14,001 --> 04:53:16,000 RECONCILE THE NORTH AND THE 8180 04:53:16,001 --> 04:53:17,000 SOUTH, FIGHTING, BROTHERS 8181 04:53:17,001 --> 04:53:20,000 AGAINST BROTHERS, FAMILY MEMBERS 8182 04:53:20,001 --> 04:53:23,000 AGAINST FAMILY MEMBERS. 8183 04:53:23,001 --> 04:53:28,000 HE SAID THESE WORDS, THEY'RE 8184 04:53:28,001 --> 04:53:32,000 INSCRIBED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 8185 04:53:32,001 --> 04:53:33,000 THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL, LET'S READ 8186 04:53:33,001 --> 04:53:34,000 THE SAME BIBLE AND PRAY TO THE 8187 04:53:34,001 --> 04:53:36,000 SAME GOD AND EACH INVOKES HIS 8188 04:53:36,001 --> 04:53:40,000 AID AGAINST THE OTHER. 8189 04:53:40,001 --> 04:53:43,000 IT MAY SEEM STRANGE THAT ANY MAN 8190 04:53:43,001 --> 04:53:44,000 SHOULD ASK A JUST GOD'S 8191 04:53:44,001 --> 04:53:46,000 ASSISTANCE IN BRINGING THEIR 8192 04:53:46,001 --> 04:53:49,000 BREAD FROM THE SWEAT OF OUR 8193 04:53:49,001 --> 04:53:51,000 MEN'S FACES, BUT LET'S US JUDGE 8194 04:53:51,001 --> 04:53:53,000 NOT THAT WE BE JUDGED. 8195 04:53:53,001 --> 04:53:54,000 THE PRAYERS OF BOTH COULD NOT BE 8196 04:53:54,001 --> 04:53:56,000 ANSWERED. 8197 04:53:56,001 --> 04:53:57,000 THAT OF NEITHER HAS BEEN FULLY 8198 04:53:57,001 --> 04:53:59,000 ANSWERED. 8199 04:53:59,001 --> 04:54:00,000 THE ALMIGHTHAS HIS OWN 8200 04:54:00,001 --> 04:54:01,000 PURPOSES. 8201 04:54:01,001 --> 04:54:03,000 QUOTE, WOE UNTO THE WORLD 8202 04:54:03,001 --> 04:54:06,000 BECAUSE OF OFFENSES FOR IT IF IT 8203 04:54:06,001 --> 04:54:10,000 MUST NEEDS BE THAT OFFENSES COME 8204 04:54:10,001 --> 04:54:11,000 THAT WOE TO THAT MAN BY WHOM THE 8205 04:54:11,001 --> 04:54:12,000 OFFENSE COMETH. 8206 04:54:12,001 --> 04:54:14,000 UNQUOTE. 8207 04:54:14,001 --> 04:54:16,000 IF WE SHALL SUPPOSE, LINCOLN 8208 04:54:16,001 --> 04:54:18,000 SAID, THAT AMERICAN SLAVERY IS 8209 04:54:18,001 --> 04:54:20,000 ONE OF THOSE OFFENSES, WHICH IN 8210 04:54:20,001 --> 04:54:21,000 THE PROVIDENCE OF GOD MUST NEEDS 8211 04:54:21,001 --> 04:54:24,000 COME BUT WHICH HAVING CONTINUED 8212 04:54:24,001 --> 04:54:26,000 THROUGH THE POINT OF TIME, HE 8213 04:54:26,001 --> 04:54:28,000 NOW WILLS TO REMOVE AND HE GIVES 8214 04:54:28,001 --> 04:54:30,000 TO BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH THIS 8215 04:54:30,001 --> 04:54:34,000 TERRIBLE WAR AS THE WOE DUE TO 8216 04:54:34,001 --> 04:54:35,000 THOSE BY WHOM THE OFFENSE 8217 04:54:35,001 --> 04:54:38,000 COMETH, SHALL REDECERTAIN 8218 04:54:38,001 --> 04:54:39,000 THEREIN ANY DEPARTURE FROM THOSE 8219 04:54:39,001 --> 04:54:41,000 DIVINE ATTRIBUTES WHICH THE 8220 04:54:41,001 --> 04:54:45,000 BELIEVERS IN A LIVING GOD ALWAYS 8221 04:54:45,001 --> 04:54:47,000 ADESCRIBED TO HIM. 8222 04:54:47,001 --> 04:54:49,000 -- FINALLY A YOU SCRIBED TO HIM. 8223 04:54:49,001 --> 04:54:52,000 FERVENTLY DO WE PRAY THAT THIS 8224 04:54:52,001 --> 04:54:55,000 MIGHTY SCOURGE OF WAR MAY 8225 04:54:55,001 --> 04:54:58,000 SPEEDILY PASS AWAY. 8226 04:54:58,001 --> 04:55:02,000 LINCOLN CONTINUED, YET, IFOD 8227 04:55:02,001 --> 04:55:04,000 WILLS THAT IT CONTINUE UNTIL ALL 8228 04:55:04,001 --> 04:55:06,000 THE WEALTH PILED BY THE 8229 04:55:06,001 --> 04:55:08,000 BONDMAN'S 250 YEARS OF 8230 04:55:08,001 --> 04:55:10,000 UNREQUITED TOIL SHALL BE SUNK 8231 04:55:10,001 --> 04:55:12,000 AND UNTIL EVERY DROP OF BLOOD 8232 04:55:12,001 --> 04:55:14,000 DRAWN WITH THE LASH SHALL BE 8233 04:55:14,001 --> 04:55:17,000 PAID BY ANOTHER DRAWING WITH THE 8234 04:55:17,001 --> 04:55:20,000 SWORD AS WAS SAID 3,000 YEARS 8235 04:55:20,001 --> 04:55:23,000 AGO, SO STILL IT MUST BE SAID, 8236 04:55:23,001 --> 04:55:26,000 QUOTE, THOUGH JUDGMENTS OF THE 8237 04:55:26,001 --> 04:55:31,000 LORD ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS 8238 04:55:31,001 --> 04:55:33,000 ALTOGETHER, UNQUOTE. 8239 04:55:33,001 --> 04:55:36,000 WITH MALICE TOWARD NONE WORK 8240 04:55:36,001 --> 04:55:37,000 CHARITY FOR ALL, WITH FIRMNESS 8241 04:55:37,001 --> 04:55:41,000 IN THE RIGHT GOD GIVES US TO 8242 04:55:41,001 --> 04:55:43,000 SEE THE LIGHT, LET US FINISH 8243 04:55:43,001 --> 04:55:45,000 THE WORK WE ARE IN TO BIND UP 8244 04:55:45,001 --> 04:55:47,000 THE NATION'S WOUNDS TO CARE FOR 8245 04:55:47,001 --> 04:55:49,000 HIM WHO SHALL HAVE BORNE THE 8246 04:55:49,001 --> 04:55:51,000 BATTLE AND TO CARE FOR HIS 8247 04:55:51,001 --> 04:55:52,000 WIDOW AND ORPHAN AND DO ALL 8248 04:55:52,001 --> 04:55:54,000 THAT WE CAN TO ACHIEVE A JUST 8249 04:55:54,001 --> 04:55:57,000 AND LASTING PEACE AMONG 8250 04:55:57,001 --> 04:56:04,000 OURSELVES AND WITH ALL NATIONS. 8251 04:56:04,001 --> 04:56:06,000 TO BIND UP THE NATION'S WOUNDS 8252 04:56:06,001 --> 04:56:11,000 DOES ANYONE THINK WE DO THAT BY 8253 04:56:11,001 --> 04:56:15,000 BRINGING TERRORISTS BACK TO 8254 04:56:15,001 --> 04:56:18,000 INSTILL MORE TERROR IN AN AREA 8255 04:56:18,001 --> 04:56:21,000 WHERE THE WOUNDS HAVE NOT YET 8256 04:56:21,001 --> 04:56:26,000 BEEN BOUND UP AND HAVE NOT YET 8257 04:56:26,001 --> 04:56:27,000 HEALED? 8258 04:56:27,001 --> 04:56:28,000 THERE'S A TERRIBLE MISTAKE 8259 04:56:28,001 --> 04:56:31,000 BEING MADE. 8260 04:56:31,001 --> 04:56:35,000 TERRIBLE MISTAKE BEING MADE. 8261 04:56:35,001 --> 04:56:38,000 AND IT MAY GAIN SOME KNOWING 8262 04:56:38,001 --> 04:56:39,000 NODS AND SMILES AT SO 8263 04:56:39,001 --> 04:56:42,000 INTERNATIONAL COCKTAIL PARTY 8264 04:56:42,001 --> 04:56:43,000 WHERE MEMBERS OF THIS 8265 04:56:43,001 --> 04:56:46,000 ADMINISTRATION MAY GO AND SAY, 8266 04:56:46,001 --> 04:56:47,000 SEE, WE BROUGHT TERRORISTS BACK 8267 04:56:47,001 --> 04:56:53,000 TO NEW YORK CITY, BACK TO THE 8268 04:56:53,001 --> 04:56:57,000 MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREA. 8269 04:56:57,001 --> 04:57:00,000 WE INFLICTED UPON OURSELVES 8270 04:57:00,001 --> 04:57:04,000 EVEN MORE TERROR. 8271 04:57:04,001 --> 04:57:06,000 AREN'T WE WONDERFUL? 8272 04:57:06,001 --> 04:57:08,000 SELF-FLADGELATION, AREN'T WE 8273 04:57:08,001 --> 04:57:10,000 GREAT -- SELF-FLADGELATION, 8274 04:57:10,001 --> 04:57:11,000 AREN'T WE GREAT? 8275 04:57:11,001 --> 04:57:13,000 DON'T YOU LOVE US? 8276 04:57:13,001 --> 04:57:14,000 WE'VE SEEN THERE'S NO 8277 04:57:14,001 --> 04:57:16,000 APPRECIATION IN THE WORLD WHEN 8278 04:57:16,001 --> 04:57:18,000 THE UNITED STATES HURTS ITSELF, 8279 04:57:18,001 --> 04:57:21,000 EITHER BY SPENDING TOO MUCH 8280 04:57:21,001 --> 04:57:23,000 MONEY, BY OPENING ITS DOORS TO 8281 04:57:23,001 --> 04:57:24,000 TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY 8282 04:57:24,001 --> 04:57:27,000 OUR WAY OF LIFE 8283 04:57:27,001 --> 04:57:29,000 NOTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT'S TOO 8284 04:57:29,001 --> 04:57:31,000 LATE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE 8285 04:57:31,001 --> 04:57:34,000 PATRIOT ACT AND I'VE HAD SEVERE 8286 04:57:34,001 --> 04:57:36,000 CONCERNS ABOUT 8287 04:57:36,001 --> 04:57:38,000 SECURITY LETTERS AND WE FOUND 8288 04:57:38,001 --> 04:57:40,000 OUT THEY WERE BEING ABUSED 8289 04:57:40,001 --> 04:57:44,000 UNDER DIRECTOR MUELLER'S 8290 04:57:44,001 --> 04:57:46,000 WATCHFUL EYE. 8291 04:57:46,001 --> 04:57:47,000 BUT IT NEEDS TO BE 8292 04:57:47,001 --> 04:57:50,000 RE-AUTHORIZED. 8293 04:57:50,001 --> 04:57:52,000 THERE NEEDS TO BE GREATER 8294 04:57:52,001 --> 04:57:53,000 OVERSIGHT THAN THERE WAS. 8295 04:57:53,001 --> 04:57:54,000 THERE HAVE BEEN CORRECTIONS 8296 04:57:54,001 --> 04:57:57,000 MADE. 8297 04:57:57,001 --> 04:57:59,000 BUT THERE ARE SOME PROTECTIONS 8298 04:57:59,001 --> 04:58:02,000 IN THAT ACT THAT HAVE AFFORDED 8299 04:58:02,001 --> 04:58:03,000 US THE ABILITY TO STAY 8300 04:58:03,001 --> 04:58:05,000 A MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK FOR 8301 04:58:05,001 --> 04:58:07,000 EIGHT YEARS. 8302 04:58:07,001 --> 04:58:09,000 THIS IS NO TIME TO OPEN 8303 04:58:09,001 --> 04:58:11,000 OURSELVES UP TO ADDIT 8304 04:58:11,001 --> 04:58:14,000 TERROR, EITHER BY BRINGING 8305 04:58:14,001 --> 04:58:16,000 TERRORISTS ON OUR SOIL, 8306 04:58:16,001 --> 04:58:18,000 POTENTIALLY ALLOWING THEM TO GO 8307 04:58:18,001 --> 04:58:22,000 FREE ON OUR SOIL, POTENTIALLY 8308 04:58:22,001 --> 04:58:27,000 ALLOWING THEM TO ANYWHERE. 8309 04:58:27,001 --> 04:58:29,000 THEY DECLARED WAR, 8310 04:58:29,001 --> 04:58:30,000 TRADITION AND HISTORY OF 8311 04:58:30,001 --> 04:58:32,000 MANKIND IS, WHEN YOU'RE FROM A 8312 04:58:32,001 --> 04:58:34,000 GROUP THAT DECLARE WARS ON 8313 04:58:34,001 --> 04:58:36,000 ANOTHER PEOPLE, ANOTHER COUNTRY 8314 04:58:36,001 --> 04:58:39,000 AND YOU ARE CAPTURED, YOU 8315 04:58:39,001 --> 04:58:41,000 REMAIN CAPTURED, YOU REMAIN A 8316 04:58:41,001 --> 04:58:45,000 PRISONER, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS 8317 04:58:45,001 --> 04:58:47,000 YOUR FRIENDS CEASE THEIR WAR. 8318 04:58:47,001 --> 04:58:49,000 AND THERE IS NO INTENT TO CEASE 8319 04:58:49,001 --> 04:58:54,000 THE WAR ON BEHALF OF THE 8320 04:58:54,001 --> 04:58:56,000 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE WHO 8321 04:58:56,001 --> 04:58:59,000 THINK THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION 8322 04:58:59,001 --> 04:59:04,000 IS TRYING TO CREATE A SITUATION 8323 04:59:04,001 --> 04:59:07,000 WHERE THERE IS MORE DAMAGE AND 8324 04:59:07,001 --> 04:59:09,000 DESTRUCTION FINANCIALLY, 8325 04:59:09,001 --> 04:59:11,000 PERHAPS THROUGH TERRORISTS, SO 8326 04:59:11,001 --> 04:59:13,000 THEY HAVE TO DECLARE MARTIAL 8327 04:59:13,001 --> 04:59:14,000 LAW AND TAKEOVER -- AND TAKE 8328 04:59:14,001 --> 04:59:15,000 OVER, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FOR 8329 04:59:15,001 --> 04:59:17,000 A MOMENT. 8330 04:59:17,001 --> 04:59:19,000 I JUST THINK THERE'S A TERRIBLE 8331 04:59:19,001 --> 04:59:24,000 LAPSE IN JUDGMENT THAT MAY 8332 04:59:24,001 --> 04:59:28,000 ALLOW THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN. 8333 04:59:28,001 --> 04:59:31,000 BUT YOU GO BACK TO THOMAS JEFFERSON. 8334 04:59:31,001 --> 04:59:33,000 HE SAID, THE NATURAL PROGRESS 8335 04:59:33,001 --> 04:59:35,000 OF THINGS IS FOR LIBERTY TO 8336 04:59:35,001 --> 04:59:38,000 YIELD AND GOVERNMENT TO GAIN 8337 04:59:38,001 --> 04:59:43,000 GROUND. 8338 04:59:43,001 --> 04:59:46,000 YOU HAD JOHN ADAMS WHO SAID, 8339 04:59:46,001 --> 04:59:49,000 PROPERTY MUST BE SECURED OR 8340 04:59:49,001 --> 04:59:52,000 Y CANNOT EXIST. 8341 04:59:52,001 --> 04:59:55,000 WE HELPED SECURE PROPERTY WHEN 8342 04:59:55,001 --> 04:59:57,000 WE KEPT THE TERRORISTS WHO 8343 04:59:57,001 --> 05:00:01,000 WANTED TO DESTROY OUR WAY OF 8344 05:00:01,001 --> 05:00:02,000 LIFE OFF OF AMERICAN SOIL 8345 05:00:02,001 --> 05:00:04,000 OVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND 8346 05:00:04,001 --> 05:00:09,000 THEN IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE 8347 05:00:09,001 --> 05:00:12,000 YEARS AT GUANTANAMO BAY. OF COURSE, WASHINGTON SAID 8348 05:00:12,001 --> 05:00:14,000 GOVERNMENT IS NOT REA 8349 05:00:14,001 --> 05:00:15,000 IT IS NOT ELOQUENCE. 8350 05:00:15,001 --> 05:00:18,000 IT IS FORCE. 8351 05:00:18,001 --> 05:00:26,000 LIKE FIRE, IT IS A DANGEROUS 8352 05:00:26,001 --> 05:00:28,000 SERVANT AND A FEARFUL MASTER. 8353 05:00:28,001 --> 05:00:30,000 OF COURSE, ABRAHAM LINCOLN WENT 8354 05:00:30,001 --> 05:00:32,000 ON TO SAY, WE HAVE BEEN THE 8355 05:00:32,001 --> 05:00:34,000 RECIPIENTS OF THEY HAVE 8356 05:00:34,001 --> 05:00:37,000 CHOICEST BOUNTIES OF HEAVEN. 8357 05:00:37,001 --> 05:00:40,000 LINCOLN WENT ON, HE SAID, WE 8358 05:00:40,001 --> 05:00:44,000 HAVE GROWN IN NUMBERS, WEALTH, 8359 05:00:44,001 --> 05:00:47,000 AND POWER AS NO OTHER NATION. 8360 05:00:47,001 --> 05:00:49,000 LINCOLN FINISHED HIS COMMENT BY 8361 05:00:49,001 --> 05:00:56,000 SAYING, BUT WE HAVE FORGOTTEN 8362 05:00:56,001 --> 05:00:59,000 GOD. 8363 05:00:59,001 --> 05:01:02,000 WE ARE CREATING SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS. 8364 05:01:02,001 --> 05:01:04,000 IT'S TIME TO STOP. 8365 05:01:04,001 --> 05:01:06,000 AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH 8366 05:01:06,001 --> 05:01:10,000 PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE 8367 05:01:10,001 --> 05:01:12,000 AISLE WHO WILL SIGN ON TO THIS 8368 05:01:12,001 --> 05:01:15,000 BIPARTISAN BILL, I'M HOPING IT 8369 05:01:15,001 --> 05:01:16,000 WILL BE VERY BIPARTISAN, 8370 05:01:16,001 --> 05:01:18,000 BECAUSE CONGRESS, AS I'VE 8371 05:01:18,001 --> 05:01:21,000 ALREADY READ, HAS THE 8372 05:01:21,001 --> 05:01:23,000 OBLIGATION TO SET UP ALL THE 8373 05:01:23,001 --> 05:01:26,000 COURTS INFERIOR TO THE SUPREME 8374 05:01:26,001 --> 05:01:29,000 COURT, TO SET OUT THEIR 8375 05:01:29,001 --> 05:01:30,000 JURISDICTIONS AND VENUE IN THE 8376 05:01:30,001 --> 05:01:31,000 COLLECTIVE WISDOM OF THIS 8377 05:01:31,001 --> 05:01:32,000 PLACE. 8378 05:01:32,001 --> 05:01:35,000 IF WE HAVE A CHIEF EXECUTIVE 8379 05:01:35,001 --> 05:01:37,000 WHO IS NOT AWARE OF THE KIND OF 8380 05:01:37,001 --> 05:01:39,000 DAMAGE AND DESTRUCTION THAT MAY 8381 05:01:39,001 --> 05:01:42,000 OCCUR BY BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE 8382 05:01:42,001 --> 05:01:44,000 MOST DENSELY POPULATED AREA IN 8383 05:01:44,001 --> 05:01:48,000 THE COUNTRY, IN WHICH TO T 8384 05:01:48,001 --> 05:01:51,000 THEM AND HAVE THEIR FRIENDS TRY 8385 05:01:51,001 --> 05:01:54,000 TO DESTROY THE TRIAL ITSELF, 8386 05:01:54,001 --> 05:01:58,000 THEN IT I THE DUTY OF THIS 8387 05:01:58,001 --> 05:02:00,000 BODY TO STEP UP AND SAY, HEY, 8388 05:02:00,001 --> 05:02:01,000 UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, THIS IS 8389 05:02:01,001 --> 05:02:04,000 OUR JOB. 8390 05:02:04,001 --> 05:02:07,000 WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CREATE THE 8391 05:02:07,001 --> 05:02:08,000 COURTS, SO YOU KNOW WHERE TO 8392 05:02:08,001 --> 05:02:10,000 TRY THEM. 8393 05:02:10,001 --> 05:02:12,000 WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE 8394 05:02:12,001 --> 05:02:16,000 CHOICE YOU NOW HAVE, YOU PUT 8395 05:02:16,001 --> 05:02:17,000 THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE. 8396 05:02:17,001 --> 05:02:21,000 THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. 8397 05:02:21,001 --> 05:02:22,000 THAT'S WT WE NEED TO PASS. 8398 05:02:22,001 --> 05:02:24,000 THAT'S WHAT CONGRESS WAS 8399 05:02:24,001 --> 05:02:26,000 SUPPOSED TO DO ACCORDING TO THE 8400 05:02:26,001 --> 05:02:29,000 CONSTITUTION. 8401 05:02:29,001 --> 05:02:33,000 BUT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS 8402 05:02:33,001 --> 05:02:36,000 YEAR WHEN CONGRESS PUNTED AND 8403 05:02:36,001 --> 05:02:43,000 WHEN THE SUPREME COURT PUNTED 8404 05:02:43,001 --> 05:02:46,000 AND SO, UNELECTED, UNCONFIRMED 8405 05:02:46,001 --> 05:02:48,000 PEOPLE MEETING IN SECRET, AS 8406 05:02:48,001 --> 05:02:51,000 PART OF THE WHITE HOUSE, 8407 05:02:51,001 --> 05:02:53,000 DECIDED WHAT BUSINESSES WOULD 8408 05:02:53,001 --> 05:02:55,000 FALL IN THE AUTO BUSINESS. 8409 05:02:55,001 --> 05:02:58,000 WHAT WOULD GAIN. 8410 05:02:58,001 --> 05:03:00,000 THEY DESTROYED ALL THE YEARS OF 8411 05:03:00,001 --> 05:03:02,000 BANKRUPTCY LAW, ALL THE 8412 05:03:02,001 --> 05:03:05,000 INCREDIBLE WISDOM THAT CAME 8413 05:03:05,001 --> 05:03:07,000 TOGEER IN THE BANKRUPTCY LAW, 8414 05:03:07,001 --> 05:03:10,000 TURNED IT UPSIDE DOWN, SECURED 8415 05:03:10,001 --> 05:03:13,000 CREDITORS WERE TREATED LIKE 8416 05:03:13,001 --> 05:03:16,000 DIRT, UNSECURED CREDITORS WERE 8417 05:03:16,001 --> 05:03:17,000 CATAPULTED BECAUSE IT INVOLVED 8418 05:03:17,001 --> 05:03:19,000 UNIONS TO THE TOP. 8419 05:03:19,001 --> 05:03:21,000 TURNED THE LAW UPSIDE DOWN THAT 8420 05:03:21,001 --> 05:03:23,000 SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO STAND. 8421 05:03:23,001 --> 05:03:25,000 THE FOUNDERS WANTED US TO STEP 8422 05:03:25,001 --> 05:03:28,000 UP AND UTILIZE THE POWER THAT 8423 05:03:28,001 --> 05:03:31,000 THEY GAVE THIS BODY. 8424 05:03:31,001 --> 05:03:34,000 SO WE HAD DEALERSHIPS, SOME 8425 05:03:34,001 --> 05:03:36,000 PLACES THEY HAD BORROWED 8426 05:03:36,001 --> 05:03:38,000 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BUY THE 8427 05:03:38,001 --> 05:03:40,000 DEALERSHIP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN 8428 05:03:40,001 --> 05:03:42,000 SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN OWN 8429 05:03:42,001 --> 05:03:44,000 CARS WERE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, 8430 05:03:44,001 --> 05:03:46,000 CLOSE THEIR DEALERSHIP. 8431 05:03:46,001 --> 05:03:48,000 MAY EVEN GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY 8432 05:03:48,001 --> 05:03:49,000 DOWN THE ROAD AND THOSE PEOPLE 8433 05:03:49,001 --> 05:03:51,000 ARE LEFT OWING THE 8434 05:03:51,001 --> 05:03:54,000 MONEY THEY BORROWED BECAUSE 8435 05:03:54,001 --> 05:03:55,000 SOME UNELECTED, CON CON 8436 05:03:55,001 --> 05:03:56,000 BUREAUCRAT SAID THIS IS AT 8437 05:03:56,001 --> 05:03:58,000 WE'RE GOING TO DO. 8438 05:03:58,001 --> 05:04:00,000 OF COURSE, THEY DID HAVE TO RUN 8439 05:04:00,001 --> 05:04:02,000 INTO A LAZY BANKRUPTCY COURT 8440 05:04:02,001 --> 05:04:05,000 JUDGE, MAYBE HE'S IN THE LAZY, 8441 05:04:05,001 --> 05:04:06,000 MAYBE HE'S JUST AMBITIOUS, WHO 8442 05:04:06,001 --> 05:04:08,000 WOULD SIGN OFF ON THAT AND GIVE 8443 05:04:08,001 --> 05:04:10,000 IT THE COLOR OF LAW. 8444 05:04:10,001 --> 05:04:13,000 SOME MAY NOT KNOW, BANKRUPTCY 8445 05:04:13,001 --> 05:04:14,000 JUDGES HAVE TO STAND FOR 8446 05:04:14,001 --> 05:04:18,000 REAPPOINTMENT. 8447 05:04:18,001 --> 05:04:20,000 AND MANY BANKRUPTCY JUDGES HOPE 8448 05:04:20,001 --> 05:04:22,000 THEY WILL INVOKE THE FAVOR OF A 8449 05:04:22,001 --> 05:04:24,000 PRESIDENT WHO WILL ELEVATE THEM 8450 05:04:24,001 --> 05:04:26,000 TO A FEDERAL DISTRICT BENCH FOR 8451 05:04:26,001 --> 05:04:27,000 LIFE RATHER THAN ON THE 8452 05:04:27,001 --> 05:04:29,000 BANKRUPTCY COURT. 8453 05:04:29,001 --> 05:04:33,000 AND THAT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, 8454 05:04:33,001 --> 05:04:36,000 MANY, MANY TIMES. 8455 05:04:36,001 --> 05:04:38,000 BUT CONGRESS STOOD MUTE AND LET 8456 05:04:38,001 --> 05:04:40,000 THE CONSTITUTION BE TURNED 8457 05:04:40,001 --> 05:04:43,000 UPSIDE DOWN, LET THE LAWS THAT 8458 05:04:43,001 --> 05:04:45,000 THIS BODY PASSED BE TURNED 8459 05:04:45,001 --> 05:04:48,000 UPSIDE DOWN, THEN THE LAST HOPE 8460 05:04:48,001 --> 05:04:53,000 OF ALL THE CHECKS AND BALANCES 8461 05:04:53,001 --> 05:04:55,000 PUT IN PLACE BY FOUNDERS WAS 8462 05:04:55,001 --> 05:04:57,000 THE SUPREME COURT. 8463 05:04:57,001 --> 05:04:59,000 JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG, TO 8464 05:04:59,001 --> 05:05:02,000 HER CREDIT, PUT A 24-HOUR HOLD 8465 05:05:02,001 --> 05:05:03,000 TO THAT FEE ASCII, ABOMINATION 8466 05:05:03,001 --> 05:05:06,000 UNDER THE LAWS OF THE UNITED 8467 05:05:06,001 --> 05:05:10,000 STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION. 8468 05:05:10,001 --> 05:05:14,000 BUT SHE WITHDREW IT, OR IT DIED 8469 05:05:14,001 --> 05:05:17,000 AT THE END OF THE 24 HOURS AND 8470 05:05:17,001 --> 05:05:21,000 ALL CHECKS AND BALANCES ON 8471 05:05:21,001 --> 05:05:23,000 POWER WERE AVOIDED. 8472 05:05:23,001 --> 05:05:24,000 AND WE DID EXACTLY WHAT THE 8473 05:05:24,001 --> 05:05:25,000 FOUNDERS HOPED WO 8474 05:05:25,001 --> 05:05:29,000 8475 05:05:29,001 --> 05:05:32,000 WE IGNORED THE POWER OF ALL THE 8476 05:05:32,001 --> 05:05:33,000 DIFFERENT BRANCHES SO TT ONE 8477 05:05:33,001 --> 05:05:34,000 UNELECTED, UNAPPOINTED GROUP 8478 05:05:34,001 --> 05:05:37,000 COULD JUST RUN THINGS AS THEY 8479 05:05:37,001 --> 05:05:39,000 WANTED. 8480 05:05:39,001 --> 05:05:41,000 WE CAN'T LET THAT TYPE OF 8481 05:05:41,001 --> 05:05:42,000 ACTION HAPPEN AGAIN HERE. 8482 05:05:42,001 --> 05:05:45,000 WE CREATED THE MILITARY 8483 05:05:45,001 --> 05:05:47,000 COMMISSIONS IN THIS CONGRESS 8484 05:05:47,001 --> 05:05:50,000 UNDER OUR AUTHORITY OF THE CONSTITUTI. 8485 05:05:50,001 --> 05:05:53,000 IT IS OUR OBLIGATION AS A 8486 05:05:53,001 --> 05:05:56,000 CONGRESS TO STEP IN AND PROTECT 8487 05:05:56,001 --> 05:05:59,000 THE PEOPLE OF NEW YORK 8488 05:05:59,001 --> 05:06:01,000 TERRORISM THAT WILL IN ALL 8489 05:06:01,001 --> 05:06:04,000 LIKELIHOOD FLOW AND IF YOU 8490 05:06:04,001 --> 05:06:07,000 DON'T BELIEVE IT, THEN GO READ 8491 05:06:07,001 --> 05:06:10,000 THE UNCLASSIFIED PLEADINGS 8492 05:06:10,001 --> 05:06:13,000 FILED BY KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED. 8493 05:06:13,001 --> 05:06:15,000 IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY 8494 05:06:15,001 --> 05:06:17,000 MEAN HARM, THEN YOU CAN CHECK 8495 05:06:17,001 --> 05:06:20,000 OUT THE ACCOUNTS OF WHAT GOES 8496 05:06:20,001 --> 05:06:24,000 ON AT GUANTANAMO. 8497 05:06:24,001 --> 05:06:29,000 WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, FOUND OUT, 8498 05:06:29,001 --> 05:06:31,000 IN TRIPS TO GUANTANAMO BAY 8499 05:06:31,001 --> 05:06:33,000 SHOWS THAT THESE GUYS ARE BEING 8500 05:06:33,001 --> 05:06:35,000 TREATED BETTER THAN PRISONERS 8501 05:06:35,001 --> 05:06:36,000 I'VE EVER SEEN IN STATE OR 8502 05:06:36,001 --> 05:06:38,000 FEDERAL PRISON IN TEXAS AND IN 8503 05:06:38,001 --> 05:06:42,000 OTHER FEDERAL PRISONS IN THE 8504 05:06:42,001 --> 05:06:44,000 COUNTRY. 8505 05:06:44,001 --> 05:06:49,000 MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISONS, THAT 8506 05:06:49,001 --> 05:06:51,000 IS. 8507 05:06:51,001 --> 05:06:54,000 THEY'RE FED WELL. 8508 05:06:54,001 --> 05:06:57,000 THEY GET SEVERAL HOURS A DAY 8509 05:06:57,001 --> 05:06:59,000 OUTSIDE. 8510 05:06:59,001 --> 05:07:01,000 THEY ARE GIVEN MOVIE HOURS 8511 05:07:01,001 --> 05:07:05,000 WATCH MOVIES. 8512 05:07:05,001 --> 05:07:07,000 AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE BIG 8513 05:07:07,001 --> 05:07:09,000 PROBLEMS AT GUANTANAMO IS NOT 8514 05:07:09,001 --> 05:07:12,000 FOR THE PRISONERS, BUT COMES 8515 05:07:12,001 --> 05:07:14,000 FROM THE PSONERS. 8516 05:07:14,001 --> 05:07:16,000 THEY'RE SO BRILLIANT AND 8517 05:07:16,001 --> 05:07:18,000 INNOVATIVE THEY FIGURE OUT WAYS 8518 05:07:18,001 --> 05:07:19,000 TO THROW URINE AND FECES ON OUR 8519 05:07:19,001 --> 05:07:23,000 GUARDS. 8520 05:07:23,001 --> 05:07:25,000 BUT THE STANDING ORDE 8521 05:07:25,001 --> 05:07:28,000 GUANTANAMO, AS TOLD BY THE 8522 05:07:28,001 --> 05:07:30,000 COMMANDER TO ME IS THAT -- THE 8523 05:07:30,001 --> 05:07:32,000 STANDING ORDER IS, WHOEVER HAS 8524 05:07:32,001 --> 05:07:36,000 URINE OR FECES THROWN ON THEM 8525 05:07:36,001 --> 05:07:38,000 FROM ONE OF THE INMATES MAY GO 8526 05:07:38,001 --> 05:07:41,000 AND SHOWER AND CHANGE AND TAKE 8527 05:07:41,001 --> 05:07:44,000 THE REST OF THE DAY OFF. 8528 05:07:44,001 --> 05:07:46,000 BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOBODY HAS 8529 05:07:46,001 --> 05:07:49,000 TAKEN THE REST OF THE DAY OFF. 8530 05:07:49,001 --> 05:07:53,000 THEY GO SHOWER, CLEAN UP, AND 8531 05:07:53,001 --> 05:07:56,000 THEY COME BACK TO DUTY. 8532 05:07:56,001 --> 05:08:01,000 I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS ONE 8533 05:08:01,001 --> 05:08:03,000 SERVICE MEMBER WHO, ON HAVING 8534 05:08:03,001 --> 05:08:05,000 FECES THROWN ON HIM, ACTUALLY 8535 05:08:05,001 --> 05:08:09,000 LOST HIS TEMPER AND YELLED AT 8536 05:08:09,001 --> 05:08:10,000 THE INMATE AND FOR THAT, HE 8537 05:08:10,001 --> 05:08:11,000 RECEIVED AN ARTICLE 15 8538 05:08:11,001 --> 05:08:14,000 PUNISHMENT FOR LOSING HIS 8539 05:08:14,001 --> 05:08:18,000 TEMPER AFTER HE HAD BODY 8540 05:08:18,001 --> 05:08:22,000 EXCREMENT THROWN ON HIM. 8541 05:08:22,001 --> 05:08:24,000 WHEN I HAVE TRIED TO FIND OUT 8542 05:08:24,001 --> 05:08:27,000 IF THERE WASN'T SOME WAY TO 8543 05:08:27,001 --> 05:08:30,000 PUNISH THE PRISONERS WHO COMMIT 8544 05:08:30,001 --> 05:08:32,000 THOSE TYPE OF ASSAULTS ON OUR 8545 05:08:32,001 --> 05:08:35,000 GUARDS, I'M TOLD THAT BECAUSE 8546 05:08:35,001 --> 05:08:37,000 THERE ARE SO MANY INTERNATIONAL 8547 05:08:37,001 --> 05:08:40,000 VISITORS, INCLUDING RED CROSS 8548 05:08:40,001 --> 05:08:42,000 OR WHATEVER GROUPS COME, 8549 05:08:42,001 --> 05:08:45,000 AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, THE 8550 05:08:45,001 --> 05:08:48,000 GROUPS THAT COME, THEY COME 8551 05:08:48,001 --> 05:08:49,000 N ENOUGH THAT THEY DID NOT 8552 05:08:49,001 --> 05:08:51,000 WANT -- THE PEOPLE AT 8553 05:08:51,001 --> 05:08:53,000 GUANTA 8554 05:08:53,001 --> 05:08:56,000 THESE GROUPS TO COME AND FIND 8555 05:08:56,001 --> 05:08:58,000 THEY'D PUT SOMEBODY IN SOLITARY 8556 05:08:58,001 --> 05:09:00,000 CONFINEMENT. 8557 05:09:00,001 --> 05:09:02,000 DESPITE THE PHYSICAL ASSAULTS. 8558 05:09:02,001 --> 05:09:05,000 SO THERE IS NO REAL PUNISHMENT 8559 05:09:05,001 --> 05:09:07,000 THAT IS INFLICTED UPO 8560 05:09:07,001 --> 05:09:10,000 THAT COMMIT ASSAULTS ON GUARDS. 8561 05:09:10,001 --> 05:09:12,000 BUT IN FACT, THEY MAY TAKE A 8562 05:09:12,001 --> 05:09:14,000 COUPLE OF THEIR FOUR HOURS OF 8563 05:09:14,001 --> 05:09:16,000 MOVIE WATCHING AWAY. 8564 05:09:16,001 --> 05:09:18,000 AND IF IT'S A BAD ENOUGH 8565 05:09:18,001 --> 05:09:21,000 ASSAULT ON ONE OF OUR GUARDS, 8566 05:09:21,001 --> 05:09:23,000 THEY MAY TAKE AWAY SOME OF 8567 05:09:23,001 --> 05:09:25,000 THEIR TIME OUTSIDE. 8568 05:09:25,001 --> 05:09:26,000 WHICH THE INMATES ENJOY, OF 8569 05:09:26,001 --> 05:09:29,000 COURSE, VERY MUCH. 8570 05:09:29,001 --> 05:09:30,000 THEY GET MORE OF THAN MOST ANY 8571 05:09:30,001 --> 05:09:32,000 PRISON I'VE BEEN TO. 8572 05:09:32,001 --> 05:09:35,000 MAXIMUM SE 8573 05:09:35,001 --> 05:09:36,000 SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING 8574 05:09:36,001 --> 05:09:40,000 WITH IN GUANTANAMO. 8575 05:09:40,001 --> 05:09:42,000 PEOPLE ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF. 8576 05:09:42,001 --> 05:09:44,000 BUT THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND THEY 8577 05:09:44,001 --> 05:09:45,000 WANT TO DESTROY OUR WAY OF 8578 05:09:45,001 --> 05:09:47,000 LIFE. 8579 05:09:47,001 --> 05:09:49,000 UNTIL THEIR BUDDIES DECLARE THE 8580 05:09:49,001 --> 05:09:52,000 WAR IS OVER, WE OUGHT TO 8581 05:09:52,001 --> 05:09:54,000 CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THEM AND 8582 05:09:54,001 --> 05:09:57,000 KEEP THEM LOCKED UP AWAY FROM 8583 05:09:57,001 --> 05:09:58,000 AMERICAN SOIL AND IF THE 8584 05:09:58,001 --> 05:10:02,000 ADMINISTRATION IS ABSOLUTELY 8585 05:10:02,001 --> 05:10:06,000 INTENT ON TRYING THEM BEFORE 8586 05:10:06,001 --> 05:10:08,000 THEIR BUDDIES CEASE THIS WAR 8587 05:10:08,001 --> 05:10:10,000 UPON AMERICA, THEN IT OUGHT TO 8588 05:10:10,001 --> 05:10:14,000 BE BEFORE A MILITARY COMMISSION 8589 05:10:14,001 --> 05:10:17,000 AS CONGRESS H CREATED IN 2006 8590 05:10:17,001 --> 05:10:19,000 AND AS HAS BEEN AMENDED EVEN 8591 05:10:19,001 --> 05:10:22,000 THIS YEAR BY -- AT THE REQUEST 8592 05:10:22,001 --> 05:10:24,000 OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. 8593 05:10:24,001 --> 05:10:28,000 THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO BE 8594 05:10:28,001 --> 05:10:29,000 FILING A BILL AND ASKING, MR. 8595 05:10:29,001 --> 05:10:31,000 SPEAKER, COLLEAGUES ON BOTH 8596 05:10:31,001 --> 05:10:34,000 SIDES OF THE AISLE TO PLEASE 8597 05:10:34,001 --> 05:10:36,000 JOIN IN, LET'S PROTECT THE 8598 05:10:36,001 --> 05:10:39,000 FAMILIES OF VICTIMS OF 9/11 IN 8599 05:10:39,001 --> 05:10:43,000 NEW YORK FROM HAVING TO ENDURE 8600 05:10:43,001 --> 05:10:48,000 THIS INSUFFERABLE BLOW OF 8601 05:10:48,001 --> 05:10:51,000 HAVING SMOKING HAPPY TERRORISTS 8602 05:10:51,001 --> 05:10:53,000 COME TO NEW YORK AND GLOAT OVER 8603 05:10:53,001 --> 05:10:56,000 THE DESTRUCTION AND DEATH THEY 8604 05:10:56,001 --> 05:10:58,000 CAUSED THERE. 8605 05:10:58,001 --> 05:11:00,000 THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO GLOAT 8606 05:11:00,001 --> 05:11:01,000 OVER THE DEATHS AND DESTRUCTION 8607 05:11:01,001 --> 05:11:05,000 THEY BROUGHT TO NEW YORK CITY. 8608 05:11:05,001 --> 05:11:08,000 THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO GLOAT 8609 05:11:08,001 --> 05:11:10,000 OVER THE DESTRUCTION AND DEATH 8610 05:11:10,001 --> 05:11:13,000 IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THEY 8611 05:11:13,001 --> 05:11:18,000 DESERVE TO BE KEPT CONFINED FOR 8612 05:11:18,001 --> 05:11:22,000 THE REST OF THEIR NATURAL LIVES. 8613 05:11:22,001 --> 05:11:25,000 BUT AT LEAST UNTIL THEIR BUDDIES 8614 05:11:25,001 --> 05:11:30,000 SAY THEY'RE NO LONGER AT WAR AND 8615 05:11:30,001 --> 05:11:35,000 THEY ALL GIVE UP AND THEN WE CAN 8616 05:11:35,001 --> 05:11:36,000 HOUND OUR SWORDS INTO PLOW 8617 05:11:36,001 --> 05:11:38,000 SHEERS. 8618 05:11:38,001 --> 05:11:42,000 UNTIL THAT TIME, THIS BODY OWES 8619 05:11:42,001 --> 05:11:45,000 A DUTY TO THE AMERICAN CITIZENS 8620 05:11:45,001 --> 05:11:47,000 TO PROTECT IT, 8621 05:11:47,001 --> 05:11:50,000 ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T SUBJECT 8622 05:11:50,001 --> 05:11:54,000 IT T 8623 05:11:54,001 --> 05:11:56,000 SO WITH THAT, MR. SPEAKER, I 8624 05:11:56,001 --> 05:12:01,000 WILL YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF 8625 05:12:01,001 --> 05:12:02,000 MY TIME. 8626 05:12:02,001 --> 05:12:03,000 THSPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: FOR 8627 05:12:03,001 --> 05:12:05,000 WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? 8628 05:12:05,001 --> 05:12:07,000 MR. GOHMERT: MR. SPEAKER, IT 8629 05:12:07,001 --> 05:12:11,000 APPEARS THE BUSINESS IS DONE FOR THE DAY. 8630 05:12:11,001 --> 05:12:13,000 AND SO I WOULD MOVE THA 8631 05:12:13,001 --> 05:12:15,000 HERE NOW ADJOURN. THE SPEAKER PRO TEMPORE: THE 8632 05:12:15,001 --> 05:12:16,000 QUESTION IS ON THE MOTION TO 8633 05:12:16,001 --> 05:12:17,000 ADJOURN. 8634 05:12:17,001 --> 05:12:19,000 THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. 8635 05:12:19,001 --> 05:12:20,000 THE AYES HAVE IT MUCH THE MOTION 8636 05:12:20,001 --> 05:12:22,000 IS AGREED TO. 8637 05:12:22,001 --> 05:12:22,000 ACCORDINGLY THE HO