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Poster: | brewster | Date: | Mar 2, 2007 6:34pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 12:05am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
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Poster: | jerry001 | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 1:03am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 12:57pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
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Poster: | jerry001 | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 3:45am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
The BBC did not do an impartial piece on the 911 Truth Movement - It was a hit piece.
The following breaks it down:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/190207tissueoflies.htm
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 6:44am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
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Poster: | rastamon | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 6:55am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
as long as it's legal and not harming others.
Even to Al Gore's causes, the "used car salesman" type he is-imo
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 10:30am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
Still, we're "free" to do as we "choose" in our anarchistic "democracies". Sadly, some don't quite see the upside (especially when we insist on exporting it 'for their own good').
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Poster: | rastamon | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 4:06pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
Example- If I give to a Christian Ministry and it give's me joy to do so, that's my F'n business. If you give to the DNC, that's your F'n business. I firmly believe in tithing and the giving Spirit.
I want the angel
Whose eyes are raving
Who takes what I'm giving and not what I'm saving
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Poster: | reprehensor | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 3:58pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
This video illustrates how "impartial" the Beeb was regarding 9/11:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6398254539895168463&hl=de
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Poster: | brewster | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 7:15am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 9:16am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
Thanks for the response.
There are still points which don't quite make sense to me. Can you confirm that you are Brewster Kahle the Director and Co-Founder? (http://www.archive.org/about/bios.php) Are you a 'techie'?
I downloaded the critical clip on Tuesday and at present it isn't clear to me what timecode you're referring to. Nor have you really cleared up what the xml files are and how they relate to timecodes and other data. I asumme they are separate from the .mpg files? If files were put onto DAT back in 2001 how many files for each clip were stored and retrieved? How did you know what the timecodes were given the 1GB files downloaded give no clue?
Please understand that users have no way of confirming the authenticity of posters to this forum, or even that this site as the genuine site. With all the ire and the odd goings on since the BBC broadcast on 18th February, anything's possible. Many of the '911 Truth forums' are little more than alternative 'evangelical' businesses concerns, and the BBC programme was definitely bad for some of their business, so a retaliatory hit job is not out of the question.
The next file is in the BBC sequence *is* downloadable by the way. Why?
http://ia331338.us.archive.org/3/items/bbc200109111818-1859/V08591-24.mpg
System administratively, what makes little sense to me is a) why all of the other files went offline on Tuesday or Wednesday b) whether they were ever all available (just a few at a phished site would have sufficed for the scam if there had been one), and why were only these few files put back up? The critical files to have put up would have been *other* BBC files, i.e. from earlier in the day, along with similarly timed footage from other newscasters so the BBC clip http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2/items/bbc200109111654-1736/V08591-16.mpg could have been corroborated.
The problem for users is authenticity. Not only of these files, but of the source.
No disrespect, but we need facts not what people think.
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Poster: | brewster | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 11:39am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
> Brewster
>Thanks for the response.
>There are still points which don't quite make sense to me. Can you confirm that you are Brewster Kahle the Director and Co-Founder? (http://www.archive.org/about/bios.php) Are you a 'techie'?
Yes.
>I downloaded the critical clip on Tuesday and at present it isn't clear to me what timecode you're referring to.
it is embedded in the mpeg2 file. beyond that I don't know, but mpeg2 wizards would.
>Nor have you really cleared up what the xml files are and how they relate to timecodes and other data. I asumme they are separate from the .mpg files?
yes, the xml files are separate from the mpg files. these are used for metadata.
>If files were put onto DAT back in 2001 how many files for each clip were stored and retrieved?
1 for the video, and then we sometimes have other files such as electronic program guides and closed caption data, but I believe you guys are concerned with the video.
>How did you know what the timecodes were given the 1GB files downloaded give no clue?
They are in the file.
>Please understand that users have no way of confirming the authenticity of posters to this forum, or even that this site as the genuine site.
Understood. You can do some online research about the Internet Archive to see what we do.
>With all the ire and the odd goings on since the BBC broadcast on 18th February, anything's possible. Many of the '911 Truth forums' are little more than alternative 'evangelical' businesses concerns, and the BBC programme was definitely bad for some of their business, so a retaliatory hit job is not out of the question.
Good to question everything. We have tried to be straight about the files we have. We try to give full access to everything, but in the US, libraries have come under increasing restrictions based on changes in copyright law (see Kahle v Gonzales case for instance).
>The next file is in the BBC sequence *is* downloadable by the way. Why?
>http://ia331338.us.archive.org/3/items/bbc200109111818-1859/V08591-24.mpg
These issues are in active evolution. We are attempting to make these available streaming. If a balance can be struck that publishers and libraries can work with, we all win. We made it too easy in this case, so we will be tightening it up. Publishing ways to copy the video files so that it is easy for others to do may not help us with this balance.
>System administratively, what makes little sense to me is a) why all of the other files went offline on Tuesday or Wednesday
We took them out of public view because they were downloadable in their original mpeg2 form.
>b) whether they were ever all available (just a few at a phished site would have sufficed for the scam if there had been one), and why were only these few files put back up? The critical files to have put up would have been *other* BBC files, i.e. from earlier in the day, along with similarly timed footage from other newscasters so the BBC clip http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2/items/bbc200109111654-1736/V08591-16.mpg could have been corroborated.
We would like to get all of these videos back up as they had been for a couple of years after October 11, 2001.
>The problem for users is authenticity. Not only of these files, but of the source.
Yours to judge, but we have tried to make the underlying facts around these recordings and our organization available.
>No disrespect, but we need facts not what people think.
I am happy with the respectful and thoughtful tone of this and your other forum post.
-brewster
Digital Librarian
Internet Archive
>Terms of Use (10 Mar 2001)
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 5, 2007 3:59am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
http://www.911blogger.com/node/6630
What that audit trail would clear up is questions like the following, which I list as just examples:
1) Regarding the original 1GB .mpg files, it would clear up:
a) that you have the original 1GB mpg files for each feed on DAT and that those files were archived in 2001.
b) what date the 1GB files were stamped as?
c) that the dates and times of the file(s) on the tape were the same as those of the 1GB .mpg and other files which were in the bbc200109111654-1736 directory earlier in the week.
d) whether any of the files currently in that directory were over-written from recent restore (e.g. since 1st March 2007 as I see that some of the files are now dated 2nd March 2007)
2) If you still have the .xml files etc from earlier in the week, and if so, what the dates and times of those files are.
3) That the two versions of the streaming files (64K and 256K) were made from the 1GB .mpg file and what the dates of those were earlier in the week. That there is no difference between those there now, and those that were there last Monday.
I'm sure you see the gist of the request. As files could be ownloaded from these directories, could they have been uploaded too?
Thanks.
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 3:18pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
This post was modified by Interogator on 2007-03-03 23:18:07
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Poster: | Steve Nordby | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 5:45pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
What is wrong with making the originals available? It is most important for researchers - or frankly anyone interested - to have the originals. If only compressed copies are available, then not all the information is available.
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Poster: | reprehensor | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 4:05pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
?
Are you a Conspiracy Theorist or what? LOL!
Yes, this is the "real" site, that's really brewster, I'm really me, but yeah, I guess "anything's possible."
It's possible that shills are out and about on the 'internets' obfuscating the facts. That's for sure.
When it's 1654 in NYC, it's 2154 in London. Even in BST/EDT.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v491/reprehensor/?action=view¤t=bbc24_wtc7.flv
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 4:34pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
How do you know who is who in a forum like this (I have indpendent evidece that Bewster is who he says he is, but that is not through him telling me so). If this was a mirrored site and phishing, how would you know?
The trouble with so many "truthers" is they just "know" what is true.... But knowing that, like thinking that, are propositional attitudes and the most controversial idioms in philosophy of logic. They're non truth-functional.
You're in 'cyber-space' typing and reading characters on your own screen.
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Poster: | reprehensor | Date: | Mar 4, 2007 5:56am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
That's from the BBC World Television web page.
Where did you get the information that BBC World Television broadcasts strictly in UCT/GMT? I don't see it.
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 4, 2007 7:42am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
This post was modified by Interogator on 2007-03-04 15:42:17
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Poster: | rastamon | Date: | Mar 3, 2007 4:47pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
Brewster may in fact, be mad-scientist Brewmeister Smith who runs the Elsinore brewery
...aye hoser?
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Poster: | Interogator | Date: | Mar 4, 2007 12:12am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
You *appear* very be far too trusting/gullible. It leaves you open to exploitation. Unless you have a means to verify someone's identity, all you really have is text appearing on your screen. Why *should* people be honest when they can be ananymous? What reason do they have for seeking anonymyty in the first place?
Even when they "think" or "say" that they're being honest, how often do *they* know the truth (as opposed to just saying what what they "think" or "believe" (even "sincrely")?
Perhaos you should look at the crime rate, the extent of deception, as there are all sorts out there, many on street drugs, many on psychiatric meds (you'd be surprised), and others just too stupid to know what they're talking about (and still others with no grasp of what "truth" is at all).
People aren't angels and most are not very bright. The days when only the academic elite used computers have long gone.
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Poster: | Edsel | Date: | Mar 4, 2007 3:47am |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
Recognizing that as a fact is the first step towards recovery. Good luck to ya.
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Poster: | adisonedu | Date: | Sep 26, 2007 4:32pm |
Forum: | movies | Subject: | Re: couple BBC 9/11 videos available again |
Now it is weird not to get one in every hour of the day. Yesterday on one of the emails someone even wanted to give me 170 million, wow.
About 90% of the email I get are thieves trying to get my bank account numbers and somehow it has got to stop. These email spammers need to go to jail.
Any ideas on how, lets hear it...
Preston - http://www.adison.edu