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Poster: Jonathan Aizen Date: Feb 11, 2004 7:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Now available: File metadata entry interface

doesn't let you type in them

Cool

I do wonder about the "clean" button on the setlist field though - I'd never seen that before; what exactly is it supposed to do?

It is supposed to take some standard setlist formats and clean them up. On some setlists it breaks, but on others it automatically does what normally has to be done manually (i.e. removes the notes, removes track times, etc.).

Also, how *exactly* will the metadata be used if we don't specify lossy downloads?

For the time being, the track titles will be shown on the details page so you can know which track you're downloading when you chose to download an individual track (instead of having to look at the setlist and map it in your head).

A feature I have in mind is to click on the name of a song and get lots of information about it (compression ratio, length in time, size, title, artist, show, etc.). Metadata is always good to keep around.

Eventually, it could even be mined. You could find out how many shows by band X have the song Y in them, or how many shows were shorter than 30 minutes.

If I choose to put track numbers, song comments, etc., in the individual track names, is that ok, or will there eventually be some way of linking between or searching on tracks with the same name?

PLEASE don't do that - it violates the integrity of the metadata. Once this stabilizes, I'll add the ability to add whatever fields you want right in the interface (so for instance you could add a "comments" field and put whatever you want in it).

Good questions!

--Dave

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Poster: greenone Date: Feb 11, 2004 10:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Now available: File metadata entry interface

For the time being, the track titles will be shown on the details page so you can know which track you're downloading when you chose to download an individual track (instead of having to look at the setlist and map it in your head). Ok, great. Maybe that should be specified somewhere to have it do titles only to avoid having extraneous meta-data. How about encore (eg "E: I Spy") or segue notation ("I Spy>"), or should it be strictly song title? A feature I have in mind is to click on the name of a song and get lots of information about it (compression ratio, length in time, size, title, artist, show, etc.). Metadata is always good to keep around. Absolutely. How will this information be determined? Is it up to the uploader to provide it, or is there some way of calculating it automatically? If you're going to be mining this information, some pretty strict input standards will have to be rigged if it's user-enterable fields. Some great possibilities with that, though!
This post was modified by greenone on 2004-02-11 18:52:11

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Poster: Brad Leblanc 2 Date: Feb 14, 2004 12:11am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Now available: File metadata entry interface

How about encore (eg "E: I Spy") or segue notation ("I Spy>"), or should it be strictly song title?

Hmmm... I really *want* to put these in there - it makes it sooo much easier to look at the download links and know exactly what I'm getting - but at the same time I can see the value in being able to run reports against shows down the road.

From what Jon says, I gather that having a song that has metadata title "E: I Spy" will not be included in a report run looking for song's titled "I Spy". Same goes for the segue's.

I guess it's a tossup. Which is more important, the accuracy of the download links or the ability to run accurate reports? My vote is for the accuracy of the download links (include the >'s and E:'s)

-Brad

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Poster: Brad Leblanc 2 Date: Feb 14, 2004 12:51am
Forum: etree Subject: File metadata - minor Track Number bug??

Just filling these out for a few of the shows I uploaded. For every one of them, the system automatically fills in the fields called "Track Num:" for me - which is nice. However, in all 5 of the shows I've looked at, it fills it in correctly until the end of disc 2. For disc 3 it jumps back 5 or 6 numbers. Jon? Here's an example, I didn't fill out anything for it so you can see it: http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=2922 Just curious why it does that and if it can be fixed. Obviously minor, but figured I would point it out. Thanks. -Brad
This post was modified by bleblanc on 2004-02-14 08:51:09

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Poster: Jonathan Aizen Date: Feb 18, 2004 11:49pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: File metadata - minor Track Number bug??

This bug is now fixed

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Poster: Jonathan Aizen Date: Feb 14, 2004 1:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: File metadata - minor Track Number bug??

Thanks - that's a bug. I'll look into it.

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Poster: Jonathan Aizen Date: Feb 14, 2004 1:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Now available: File metadata entry interface

Go either way, but do keep in mind that whatever you put in there will make it into the ID3 tags.

Jon

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Poster: Brad Leblanc 2 Date: Feb 14, 2004 1:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Mining ID Tags?

In this case, I would definitely add them.

Another question Jon. On all of my latest seeds I have been filling out ID tags for the FLAC files. Here's an example:

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=9155

I use FLAC Frontend to fill in all of the non-unique fields during the encoding process (Artist, Album, Year, Genre, Comment). Then, when it's done I use WinAmp to fill in the unique fields (Title, Track Number)

So, there's alot of info already embedded in the files in the format that I choose. Would it be possible to mine that data to automatically fill in the "File Options" fields? Or, if I fill out the "File Options" fields with different info will it overwrite the ID tags that the FLAC files were uploaded with?

Thanks.

-Brad

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Poster: Jonathan Aizen Date: Feb 14, 2004 3:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Mining ID Tags?

Your originally uploaded files will never be overwritten!

I'm working on a way to read the information from the FLAC and MP3 ID3 tags to populate that form. The problem is that it takes time, yet people need to fill out the metadata for new shows when adding a new show (because they'll never come back to do it later). Anyway, it's on the table.

Jon