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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 6, 2008 2:26pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
I'm not a crackpot and I don't believe evry version of the conspiracy theories but you'd have to be completely ignoring evidence to not see he while he was hit from behind he was killed from a front shot.
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | May 6, 2008 5:26pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
...how dare you imply it wasn't a lone gunman acting alone with no backing from any other interests.
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 6, 2008 8:53pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
Regardless, there is NO way one guy, oswald or not( even a trained expert sharpshooter with the best weapon ) could have pulled that off.
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | May 7, 2008 12:54pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
They just aren't that smart. It always comes out, one way or the other. Cover ups always unravel. The facts supporting this one just don't make a convincing case.
We are left assessing MOTIVE as the primary force behind our acceptance of the theory (and with that, I have no problem--I do agree that all parties pointed to had motive, and I agree that all parties would have done it without a second thought, but those two starting points are inadequate).
Just MHO. The only aspect of the facts I do have some experience with concern the actual shooting. Having studied forensic medicine, the evidence vis a vis the wound, etc., is equivocal, and far from convincing either way.
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 7, 2008 3:00pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
Whatever the case I can not understand how anyone can deny shots came from in front. His brain blew out the back of his head. The original Dr. who was doing the autoposy ( but was removed by some mysterious "Dr." who claimed to have Govt. clearance or authority ) said many times where the EXIT wound was and it was in back. So therefore, regardless of what people want to believe, more than one person involved equals a conspiracy by definition.
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | May 7, 2008 3:27pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
It's not like the one is a group of morons and the other a group of rocket scientists...Do you know how easy it is to get in? Well, okay, they're both morons...
They are roughly equivalent. Same for KGB, HMSS, etc., etc.
I just don't give them that much credit.
Notice, doing it is one thing, getting away with it another, BUT keeping it secret is one that ALL of them fail at, and that is an altogether different point.
As for the other point, take some human remains to a target site and try it. I am serious...well, not really; use one of Dire's bovine friends. You will be surprised at the results you find. I have considerable experience with firearms (not that I am proud of it, but nonetheless) and with forensic medicene. The facts in this case are equivocal.
But, truly, Johnny, I am confident I won't convince you, and I enjoy kicking it around--hope we are cool on that front. At least we know a conspiracy theory worth endorsing is the power of a GROK to stop the Pats!
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | May 7, 2008 3:40pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm
Funny little fact about that Zapata oil company - first ones to hit oil in Kuwait. Who ran the same?
And yes, the Kuwaitis were slant-drilling into Iraq back in the early '90s and stealing Iraqi oil when Ambassador Joseph Wilson met with Hussein to assure him that it was a matter between the two countries. Same as it ever was ....
Like the funny little fact that Schwarzkopf's dad was handling intelligence for the Shah in Iran back in the 50's - what was that Suez Canal crisis?
As Gil might say, "John Foster Dulles ain't nothin' but the name of an airport now."
...up to $123 a barrel today. Holding hands with the Wahabbists at the gas pump....
Smi2les to all you titoists....
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | May 7, 2008 4:33pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
But as I note above, it's all there to be found in black and white. A better kept secret was never to be found. IE, failed miserably.
It's just human nature--secrecy is not something we do well. Nor do any species. Deception is always a short term phenomenon.
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | May 7, 2008 4:58pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
But my money does say something about a new world order....
The Trilateral Commmission and the John Birch Society are tapping my phone. I'm not paranoid if the fluoride in my tap water is being used to read my thoughts, am I? More tin foil for my skull....
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | May 8, 2008 6:30am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
Did you catch Al-Queda lashing out at Iran for suggesting the Israelis did it? IE, "they just don't want to give us Sunnis any credit?"
Pretty good...
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Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | May 7, 2008 5:46pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
could care less how JFK got splattered, the NYSE runs the oil barrel rates, the CIA can and will do whatever the hell they want whether we or our elected officials like it or not, the Pats will win the superbowl this season (blow me WT and JOTS.... lol),Obama being ahead of Hillary shows me how fuckin clueless this country really is, MMA fighting rocks!!!!, and Mike Lowell is the coolest Cuban who ever lived.
there
i feel better now
oh yeah, and MA is about to raise the cigarette tax another buck, so it looks like it's time to quit that too.
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 7, 2008 9:30pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
If you really mean this, fuck you dire. We are no longer friends
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Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | May 8, 2008 6:24am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
sorry that i honestly dont care that much about how JFK was killed. it just doesnt matter to me, much like why Lincoln was assassinated. that shit happens many times all over the world. too far back in past for me. maybe interesting in a simply historical persective - but that's about it.
not sure why you took so much offense.
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 8, 2008 2:59pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
Sorry I flew off the handle at you. I just found your response to be really jacked up.
peace?
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Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | May 8, 2008 4:25pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
i agree that we as Americans, and "citizens" of this Earth, have to care (about many things). It is just that certain things I care less about than others. I suppose my focus tends to be more environmental, spiritual, and human unity oriented. I take as a given governments will assassinate - even their own. Do I believe that is right?? usually, no. I just direct my energies in other realms (for better or for worse).
sorry for the misunderstanding. my "smirk" was not visible through the written word this time. i apologize for "raining" on your post - in hindsight, that was not too cool on my part, regardless of my intent.
hope all is well with you and the fam my brother.
peace
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 8, 2008 9:06pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
Glad we're cool again.
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Poster: | high flow | Date: | May 8, 2008 4:37pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
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Poster: | direwolf0701 | Date: | May 8, 2008 5:40pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
oh, sorry, i misread that one - mea culpa
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Poster: | high flow | Date: | May 7, 2008 10:16pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 8, 2008 4:25am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | May 8, 2008 6:25am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
For what it's worth, I do care. I know that the Bay of Pigs was a huge problem and he did get us started in Nam (more so than Ike), but I am one that (though really too young) saw the way even my conservative parents and their generation felt about JFK, and that is something we haven't had since.
I don't have the answers to the event, and enjoyed kicking it around with you and BD. I think it tragic that he died, and clearly SOMETHINGS about the death are up in the air...
So, in any case, I appreciate your heartfelt analysis and input.
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Poster: | cush212 | Date: | May 7, 2008 6:32pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
;)
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | May 8, 2008 6:29am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
Good to see you...
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Poster: | johnnyonthespot | Date: | May 6, 2008 8:45pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
Regardless, there is NO way one guy, oswald or not( even a trained expert sharpshooter with the best weapon ) could have pulled that off.
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Poster: | bluedevil | Date: | May 6, 2008 9:24pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: a day of reflection for me ( non Dead ) |
George W's daddy can't. Wonder what he went on to do in the years after....Prescott's baby boy.