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Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 4:15am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | paulypecker - troll |
And I'm pretty amazed by the those of you who find his incontinent approach to posting and manufactured enthusiasms 'endearing'.
Consider these well-known pointers to troll activity:
1 a lack of buy-in to the list philosophy or values
2 generally low level of activity, with sudden spurts of interaction - or perhaps a new persona that has strong opinions on controversial subjects
3 a mixture of friendly posts with a confrontational style of interaction
4 the use of provocative language and sweeping generalisations about certain topics or categories of people
5 a lack of in-depth understanding of the topic
6 a lack of personal information
7 a lack of a genuinely unique perspective on the topic
8 a lack of humour
9 restarting topics that have already been done
10 use of language that encourages the dialogue to enter topics that are controversial and likely to upset some team members
11 the use of an attention-seeking gimmick (e.g.: "I was once exploited by an XYZ")
12 they follow up their own articles if the group doesn't respond to their posts
Mr Pecker has shown definite signs of meeting points 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 12. Maybe not enough to convict, but certainly enough to make me suspicious.
MP3 conversion question? Streaming? Can you download with your headphones plugged in? (loved that one) Did Jerry speak Spanish? What's your favourite Jack Straw? And what's the difference between an early and a late show? Hang your head if you took that one seriously.
Mr Pecker's disingenuous queries designed to garner responses from well-meaning members, interspersed with foot-stampingly petulant putdowns of anyone who challenges him, seem deliberately calculated to divide opinion about him. Earl simply asked for his thoughts and got this little outburst in response:
"I never asked a question to any one person in particular. I threw questions out for ANYONE in the FORUM to respond to. Why ask me personally? I didn't address the question to any certain person or the " elders" that you refer to that you say know it all and don't want to be bothered with so-called "GD 101" inquiries. I'm asking questions to the entire forum. You are NOT the entire forum,by yourself, and it's obvious ,by the responses in my favor, that you DO NOT represent the forum as a whole. NO ONE does. Do you realize that? OF COURSE I don't know it all. That's why I inquire. You're reading too deep into me. If I ask a question, that means I don't know the answer. You believe what you want to believe.What would be the point in asking about something I already know? Look, people have been assuming things about me that are NOT accurate. I'm "fake", I'm this or that. Why are these people so worried about why I ask questions,questions I really don't know the answer to? I don't know all the answers. I'd just like to be educated a bit in this forum without causing paranoia amongst you.
And NO, I don't know the answer to your question. Obviously you do. So just tell US and don't single me out. I feel like I'm in high school with this BS line of questioning. MY QUESTIONS ARE REAL and I don't have the time or patience to deal with this ridiculous back and forth."
He Live's, who's probably forgotten more than I or Mr Pecker will ever know, got this evidently well-thought out nugget:
"Sorry I'm not as well-versed as you are,YOUR HOLINESS. It seems no one is. Try reality once in a while you might enjoy that too. Why are you such a harsh person to deal with. Too many bad trips. I'm old enough and quite knowledgeable about the band. I'm also comfortable in my own skin and don't feel the need to get on people's nerves like you seem to have the uncontrollable urge to do. I'm sure you are not a young guy, so don't you think it's time to grow up? Or are you going to live your life with a chip on your shoulder? That's your choice, and only yours. Just wanted to let you know how I personally view YOUR posts-as negative,childish, and of no importance for the family of Heads that I am happily part of. I don't understand your kind and I don't really care about your views. They are pointless,arrogant and not what the world of The Dead and it's fans are all about. Keep living your little charade of a life and do as you wish,as I know you will, but there's a lot more to your life,my friend, than being rude,sarcastic, and harsh toward others. Try being nice sometime,if you are able to. I think you will find it more satisfying than causing people grief. It seems you get off on it. Whatever floats your boat. Good luck! "
Do you hear the sound of someone protesting just a little too much? Do you hear the sound of the stick stirring in the swill pail? Troll or not, I find Mr Pecker's behaviour to be very far from endearing.
The great thing about an open door policy on the Brokedown Palace is that you never know who's going to come strolling in. It's just a shame when some people forget to wipe their shoes and leave nasty marks on the carpet.
Fare you well, my honeys.
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Poster: | daliguana | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 7:06am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 7:27am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
This post was modified by William Tell on 2008-12-03 15:27:58
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 2:00pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll over bay toe vin |
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 7:08am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
Just read the signs.
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 6:21am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
Even at my advanced age, I regard a number of folks around here as "teachers" or "gurus." Many have very specialized areas where they show their worth, such as Arb, bringing all the JGB into the light. Tigerbolt is another worthy of mention. HL has written some amazing documents worthy of publication at a higher level. Even SDH bringing our daily bread and WT anchoring our feet in 68 make for a worthwhile learning experience. Each for different reasons are deserving of respect, even though none would demand it.
I don't count myself among those folks, but if I were studying anything at the feet of a master, would show some respect rather than act the whippersnapper. I believe that many of us agree that we have rightly or wrongly attached a higher meaning to all this, and normally don't question one another on their motivations or intent.
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 7:21am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
C'mon now, saying "Hey, we aren't talking about your lovelife here" is a little beneath us? No? And leave that one alone as well. You are bunch of sickos.
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 8:43am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:18am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
Now that sounds like an unforgettable weekend road trip.
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 6:35am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: paulypecker - troll |
We have had some surprisingly informative posting with HeLives, veb, and CPW schooling us on all matters of informative early Dead trivia, from Billy's fake ID to Magoo's menu...seriously. But what you really missed was a three volume production on WWII, Keynes and the election that Grendel, Earl and NC put together with contributions from all the posters. It will be req'd reading for all the newbies so that ought to cut down on the trolling activity.
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Poster: | Mandojammer | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:21am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides |
I hope I haven't poked anyone in the eye too hard along the way.
I don't want any of you guys coming along and blacking my eye and kicking my dog.
Be well.
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:29am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides |
Cool.
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Poster: | Mandojammer | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:35am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides |
Now when a Los Angeles class accelerates from Ahead 1/3 to Ahead Flank the boat rolls about 10 degrees when the shaft torque is picked up by the thrust bearing and transferred to the hull as the boat accelerates.
That is cool.
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Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:48am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides |
Wonderful.
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Poster: | snori | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:50am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides |
Since you're in the vicinity again, did you catch Desert Island Discs ? (I can't really believe that you didn't)
Michael Eavis was the castaway, and he confessed to being a 'Deadhead'and seeing the boys in London. I'm guessing 1972 Lyceum. He chose UJB as one of his eight. Shame he couldn't get them over for one of the festivals, but it might explain how that Dark Star made it onto the triple album. Repeated Friday a.m.
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Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 12:22pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides |
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 10:01am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides |
Love learning interesting stuff about the folks hereabouts.
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Poster: | Mandojammer | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 10:15am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Almost Being Serious Here..... |
Submarine operations was a day to day way of life for me. I have found over the years that what I took for granted was pretty interesting for other people. When we would give tours, people always remarked on the size of the galley (kitchen for the landlubbers), and were amazed by the size of our freezer (about the size of a handball court - and it doubled as a morgue). They were less impressed by the 78" x 30" x 24" bunk we all called home - perhaps sympathetic.
Being a student and instrtuctor of Bruce Lee's art of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, I try to embrace Sifu Lee's quote:
"Everyone knows something you do not. Learn from them."
Thanks for the opportunity to share.
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 10:35am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
Perishables were kept in the fishhold ice (a deck box was our main hold as 43 boats don't have much 'hold' capacity.
We carried all fresh water in carry aboard jugs and most of our fuel was on deck in 44 gallon plastic barrels.
Yes it was wet and yes we got our asses kicked in storms .
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Poster: | Mandojammer | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 10:46am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
My worst weather event was a Force 9 gale north of Norway in late '91. We were taking 10 degree rolls at a keel depth of 245 feet. The Skipper estimated 65-80 foot seas. We were on our way up to periscope depth to get some message traffic via antenna and the boat got sucked up from 95 feet to broached in about two seconds.
40 degree rolls on the surface, in a storm, in a boat that has a round keel is not in any way, shape or form, Cool. It just plain sucks.
It was one of the few times in my career that I was afraid for my life.
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:21am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
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Poster: | Cliff Hucker | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 3:12pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Dec 4, 2008 5:27am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
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Poster: | Mandojammer | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 12:18pm |
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 1:39pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
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Poster: | Mandojammer | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 1:48pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Wow |
Looks like you were just outrunning the set in the last pic - were those following seas or were you just stuck sliding sideways down the trough.
I'll look around for some more boat pics and get them hung up here.
First one is us on the surface at about 15 knots.
Second one is CITY of CORPUS CHRISTI running about due east - very cool shot with the backlighting.
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 2:15pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 3:23pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 3:25pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow |
Here's the whole sordid story -
http://crow-fjord.livejournal.com/1454.html
but worse than that were the not quite nauticals squatting at Gate 5 who (true story) built their own sailboat on the dry dock from some bozo's blueprints, stocked the sloop up with a big bags of pecans and oranges (and nothing else besides water)...
they sailed west for Tahiti from this side of Alcatraz in search of paradise, and never got there...
the hull wasn't made with wood my friends...
they built the the boat bottom with cement, no shit.
And sank like a stone a few miles out.
Those poor PCs who wouldn't touch meat or share their pecans with less enlightened hippies never came back.
Ghouls among you might care to read the whole story and more about the ex-Haight St. water squatters of Sausalito somewhere at this troll-infested bilge:
http://www.waldopoint.net/rip/rip.html
My dad was in the Sea Scouts and did time in a submarine during the Korean conflict, so he knew which way was aft...
he died aboard his cabin cruiser berthed at Gate III.
Sail on, brother... sail away papathon...
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Poster: | jglynn1.2 | Date: | Dec 4, 2008 5:02am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Dec 7, 2008 1:27pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow |
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Poster: | Sausalito | Date: | Mar 10, 2009 10:30am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Wow |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 12:05pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
Never have been a fan of the big waters, just speaking personally...
Much prefer my own two feet firmly planted, but I am a wimp.
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:13am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
Cool stuff indeed.
Thanks.
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:28am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2008-12-03 19:28:06
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Poster: | Mandojammer | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:29am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here..... |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:28am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....I am too... |
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Poster: | Earl B. Powell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:47am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....I am too... |
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 12:36pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....I am too... |
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Poster: | He Live's | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 8:18am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
well, "Here Here" my man -- your well thought out argument is irrefutable! you put the whole thing down exactly sir. forget the Grateful Dead, or some newbies enthusiasm and naive quest for enlightenment. you struck squarely at the heart of the matter -- the questions may have been dead-related, but the Manner and Attitude is 100% Troll.
here's One For the Trolls, Rob just gave you the boot.
(and rob, you are too kind -- i am just a regular deadhead like yourself, i see us all as equals around here, just about all the regulars i know are just here for the enjoyment of the music -- and we all are just ultimately "enhancing" the experience by posting here and pointing each other in different directions: liamfinn, cliff, WT, arb, earl, elbow, light into ashes, veblen, grendel, jglynn, SDH, high flow, wharf, user unknown, daliguana, whirlwind, lobster, bluedevil, smgarcia, rings and lou.... there are many more i am missing -- but i think we are all pretty much here for the same reason -- the fakers are relatively few.)
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 8:52am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
When will the court provide a ruling?
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Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:34am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 11:15am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
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Poster: | He Live's | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 8:56am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
i am off to work now MR T, i will check back tonight....
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Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:10am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
But I'll walk a thunderbird like it's standin' still
I'm ported and relieved and I'm stroked and bored.
I'll do a hundred and forty with the top end floored
I'm a little Brit shit
You don't know what I got
(I'm a little Brit shit)
(You don't know what I got)
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:21am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
Nor do I want to.
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Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:33am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
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Poster: | SomeDarkHollow | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:42am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
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Poster: | robthewordsmith | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:46am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: The Wordsmith has spoken, paulypecker - troll |
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 9:15am |
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Poster: | Stealz | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 7:19am |
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Poster: | squirrel barker | Date: | Dec 3, 2008 4:58am |
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