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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 11:25am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Are these tapes "in tune" |
So unless they for some reason tuned the keyboards flat or sharp a quarter step, the tapes are dragging just a wee bit..amirite?
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Poster: | dead-head_Monte | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 12:06pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
Slowly, over time, the pitch-committee people are getting around to comparing all the tapes. They are nailing down the pitch errors and tape speed issues. Charlie Miller, Kevin Tobin, and some others are resampling and digitally correcting the tapes. I recommend using Samplitude s/w for this. I use it. CM always uses Samplitude.
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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 12:24pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
This post was modified by stealyourwife on 2010-03-07 20:22:10
This post was modified by stealyourwife on 2010-03-07 20:24:03
This post was modified by stealyourwife on 2010-03-07 20:24:25
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Poster: | dead-head_Monte | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 1:09pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
NEW (Dec 2009)! New version of PaceMaker plug-in v2.3 released - download it here!
PaceMaker is a plug-in module for WinAmp player that controls how the music sounds as it's playing. That is, PaceMaker is able to...
- Speed up or slow down the music tempo without affecting the music key (pitch)
- Change the music key (pitch) without affecting the tempo
- Change the music "speed" (playback rate) as if vinyl records were played at higher or lower speeds than rated
- Do all of these at the same time.
Ok, sounds rather nice but why would anyone wish to do that?
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Hmm... fair enough. Where can I get it?
Here! Just go to download page.
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Poster: | high flow | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 1:21pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' ?? // Paging Charlie Miller |
The most obvious cause would be reel speed during recording. I say that, but I'm no taper or technician.
It would be interesting to hear about the pitch correction process from Mr Miller.
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Poster: | midnight sun | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 4:10pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
other issue i have is with channel orientation, not every uploader seems to ensure the keyboards are in the right channel, although i'm sure a toggle probably already exists at my end to correct that too (then again, suppose not everyone cares...)
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Poster: | dead-head_Monte | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 6:40pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
-- switch channels
-- invert phase both channels
-- invert phase left channel only
-- invert phase right channel only
-- process the selected effect on left channel only
-- process the selected effect on right channel only
I've watched music composers doing their transcriptions from tapes in real-time, using Finale s/w. Finale is supposedly the best music composition s/w for desktop publishing, going way back for many years.
My violinist friend would listen to various tape clips, then play out the score on his fiddle. Sometimes his playback devices had variable pitch controls. Then once he had the notes playing correctly on his fiddle, he cranked out the compositions in Finale s/w. From there he would print them out for handouts and his music books. For his music students, he mastered audio CD tracks containing the same music content he scored and published with Finale. Of course, Finale also plays these compositions on his PC.
So, for all you musicians and composers out there, you need to marry your great music playing skills with your knowledge of Samplitude and Finale s/w. This is for mastering, composing, and publishing your stuff. Then, when you got that down, you can master the art of creating your own books, CDs, DVDs, streaming content, websites, and social networking sites. Not to mention, you must become a MIDI expert, and learn how to do your own sequencing. You will need to get all the super-duper VSTs setup and working in Samplitude and Finale.
Everytime MicroSoft does a Windows upgrade, your computer's Audio Devices will stop working reliably, and you're screwed. Or, you can hold your breathe and wait forever for the open source people to port or write some good-working s/w versions of this stuff for Linux. Good luck!
Don't you musicians sometimes miss the good old days, when all you needed to do was to know how to fucking play your axe?
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Poster: | midnight sun | Date: | Mar 8, 2010 4:01pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
no doubt there are advantages, the disadvantage to creating notation from an independent audio source via software>printer is that a musician loses out on the opportunity to exercise the "ear"...nothing replaces the experience of struggling to interpret something complex w/o being spoon fed the info, something a musician must learn to do if they are to perform creative (improv) live music
some will note that it is great to be able to instantly transpose song notation into other keys, here again, the ability to transpose a tune into all twelve keys on the fly is also an invaluable exercise in learning song progressions
it also depends on the task at hand, some musicians aren't all that interested in copying another musician note for note, 90% of what i'm interested in notating is only the melody and the chord progression, every time i play a tune i'm searching for new voicings, melodic variations, passages, rhythms and alternate chord changes (based on initial interpretations) the "lead sheet" is only a map i refer to a couple of times until i understand the initial progression, and then it is only used to enable other musicians to do the same (and form their own conclusions...)
obviously someone looking to compose a symphony might have an entirely different view towards music notation software...even so, i know some composers who still choose the fountain pen because it allows direct mind>notation w/o the encumbrance of an instrument or keyboard in between...there is also add-on software that can scan rough draft hand copied notation, recognize and convert to whatever...
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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 8, 2010 9:19pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
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Poster: | midnight sun | Date: | Mar 9, 2010 11:31am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
in the 70's it was the "Music Minus One" records that gave you an LP with a primo rhythm section comping jazz changes, a booklet with a transcribed Charlie Parker solo or whatever...in the 90's it was "Band In A Box"...
learning to play with musicians that are literally not listening to you (?)
everyone has different ways of learning, for me, playing four to the bar jazz bass lines helps to create an internal pulse as well as sufficiently outlining the changes so i can have something internal to rely on (an improvised melody is just a more complex and rhythmically free bass line) the idea being that the bass line becomes internalized over time and takes on a life of it's own, eventually strong enough in the mind to permit far out improvisation on an external instrument w/o losing the form
hopefully, the omnipresent bass and for that matter any other instrument well imagined in a musician's mind are all listening
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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 9, 2010 2:33pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
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Poster: | midnight sun | Date: | Mar 10, 2010 3:07pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
not sure what you mean by "intuition" (?) suppose there might be a knack to it but can't say it is my experience that improvisers are born with meter skills and awareness of phrasing fully developed
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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 10, 2010 6:03pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
I thought we were talking about ear training or something.
nevermind
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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 1:33pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
If somebody already started a project like this I'd appreciate a link though. I might be able to help
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Poster: | dead-head_Monte | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 2:50pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
Here's the variables Samplitude can tackle:
Time factor change down to .001 resolution
Pitch (Half steps, down to .01 or a hundredth of a half step)
Time units (old length, new length, down to .001 resolution or milliseconds)
Beats per minute (old BPM, new BPM, down to .001 or a thousandth of a BPM)
Resampling mode does pitch and time change together, fyi.
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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 3:28pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
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Poster: | dead-head_Monte | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 4:57pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
the Resampling / Time Stretching / Pitch Shifting module
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Poster: | CharlieMiller | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 11:10pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
This post was modified by CharlieMiller on 2010-03-08 07:10:50
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Poster: | stealyourwife | Date: | Mar 8, 2010 9:29pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
If you get bored someday you might try dyne:bolic linux. http://www.dynebolic.org It's a live cd iso you just download and burn it, reboot and you're using a Linux distribution geared toward audio/video editing, loaded with every decent open source application to date.
And it's all free :)
Linux gets a bad rap for its learning curve but everybody that sticks with it ends up loving it.
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Poster: | dead-head_Monte | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 1:34pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
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Poster: | amosearle | Date: | Mar 8, 2010 8:12pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |
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Poster: | Longnstrange | Date: | Mar 7, 2010 12:36pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Are these tapes 'in tune' |