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Poster:	Darrell Wright	Date:	April 10, 2005 10:13:40am
Forum:	opensource_movies	Subject:	Re: Thunderbay

Just looked up your link, although this is similar to the site where the videos were posted, it is not the same one. Please provide a reference as to where you found your information.
I would like to see it.

I found this comment when I use the yahoo search engine; however, the site it indicated was closed.

Indy Media server siezed by FBI : Thunderbay IMC
Thunderbay IMC. From address: To address: Subject: Comment to introduce the mail: Whatreallyhappened.com has just featured an article about the Independent Media server hard drives being seized by the FBI. ... thunderbay.indymedia.org/news ... site is down: that might be the reason. The reason why the hard drives were taken are unknown." http://www.indymedia.org ... the FCC shut down ...thunderbay.indymedia.org/mail.php?id=15798

Just found this posting at http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/01/277978.shtml

It may explain why the site was actually shut down.

Below, you will find supporting evidence of some of the actions by the
new sf.indymedia.org group as outlined in the timeline document:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-us-process/2004-January/000270.html

1. http://www.indybay.org/images/ecr_hidden12-9-03.jpg
This is a screen capture of an announcement post by Enemy Combatant
Radio to sf.indymedia.org on 12/9/03 that was hidden immediately. As
you can see, indybay.org still pointed to sf.indymedia.org at the time
but one member of the sf.indymedia group (with no agreement even from
the people in his own group) had already locked the indybay.org group
out of the shared site by taking away the admin passwords, leaving them
without a website. For reference, Enemy Combatant Radio is a project
affiliated with members of indybay.org.

This article was later unhidden after this post was made by a reader:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/1664695.php

2. http://www.indybay.org/images/whispered_hidden_12_18_03.jpg
This is a screen capture of an announcement post by Whispered Media to
sf.indymedia.org on 12/18/03 that was immediately hidden. Whispered
Media is a video collective that has an office in the same suite as
indybay.org.

3. http://www.indybay.org/images/sfimcspam_12_24_03.jpg
This is a screen capture of multiple spam made on the indybay.org
newswire on 12/23/03. The contents of those spams can be seen here:
https://www.indybay.org/news/2003/12/1666449.php
https://www.indybay.org/news/2003/12/1666450.php
This is one example of many instances of such "pro-sf.indymedia.org" spam made on indybay.org.

As many of you know by now, Enemy Combatant Radio's website:
www.enemycombatantradio.org was taken down by a person associated with
sf.indymedia.org on 1/7/04, the day after the indybay.org collective
had sent out the open letter:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-us-process/2004-January/000266.html

The indybay.org domain is still owned by a member of sf.indymedia.org,
even though it is not website they have anything to do with anymore as
shown in the mediation agreement:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2004-January/004742.html

All of this indicates there has been gross violations of the trust
within the indymedia network that techies with control of resources
will not abuse their power for any reason.

We hope that everyone in the indymedia community realizes that this is
an issue of tech abuse of power that will have serious implications
throughout the entire network. Member of the sf.indymedia.org (and
their linefeed.org tech collective) who are responsible for the
violations of the indymedia Principles of Unity as shown above, still
currently operate the server (stray linefeed server) that many IMC
sites are hosted on. They include:

Tijuana - http://tijuana.indymedia.org
Colombia - http://colombia.indymedia.org
Hawaii - http://hawaii.indymedia.org
Peru - http://peru.indymedia.org
Uruguay - http://uruguay.indymedia.org --
Argentina - http://argentina.indymedia.org
Bolivia - http://bolivia.indymedia.org
Chile - http://chile.indymedia.org
Istanbul - http://istanbul.indymedia.org
Jerusalem - http://jerusalem.indymedia.org
South Africa - http://southafrica.indymedia.org
Utah - http://utah.indymedia.org
Thunderbay - http://thunderbay.indymedia.org
Houston - http://houston.indymedia.org
Arizona - http://arizona.indymedia.org

The sf.indymedia.org/linefeed.org members have shown through their
actions that they cannot be entrusted with the amount of power they
hold by controlling IMC tech resources. I ask all member of the
indymedia network to help hold these individuals accountable for their
actions.

http://indybay.org

I know what I was shown had to be true. I was working on the person's computer attempting to show them how to download when she showed me the copied message. Also I have emailed her and she should place the document for all to see on this site soon

This post was modified by Darrell Wright on 2005-04-10 18:13:40

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Poster:	Darrell Wright	Date:	April 10, 2005 10:29:37am
Forum:	opensource_movies	Subject:	Re: Thunderbay

After searching for the last 5 hours for additional information on why the site closed. I will take FP's word on the subject. It may be possible that he information that was given to me might have been a sham. I don't know. I was hoping that someone could shed some clearer light on the subject; however, I may have been the victim of another bogus website.

Either way I still want everyone to know that the site was shut down.

This post was modified by Darrell Wright on 2005-04-10 18:29:37

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Poster:	FP	Date:	April 11, 2005 04:46:57am
Forum:	opensource_movies	Subject:	Re: Thunderbay

I'm not trying to debunk anything - I didn't even know for sure if the link I posted was affiliated with the thunderbay indymedia in question. There are other groups with similar names. That was just what came up in a GOOGLE search when I looked. I always try to keep track of censorship because it bugs me. If indeed thunderbay's computer systems were seized, I wish someone would explain why.

This is the link from which I posted the above:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-thunderbay/2005-April/0403-la.html

All threads:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-thunderbay/

Whatever happened, the Thunderbay site is certainly down. Only a blank page is there.

Now I'm off to read what's at the new link posted by Darrell...

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Poster:	Darrell Wright	Date:	April 11, 2005 07:10:31am
Forum:	opensource_movies	Subject:	Re: Thunderbay

FP
Your comments did not bother me. I have just been having some problems with this site since I allowed other people to post videos for me. That is why you see areas on the forums that say deleted next to my name.

Actually I was hoping that someone could give me better information on this issue. All I was given was a printed copy of what supposedly came off the web. After viewing it, I attempted to gather more information; however, my browser was acting up and I couldn't find anything else concerning this issue. That was part of the reason why I posted this on the forums.

The other reasons was to inform the members of our movie community, that they may need to find alternatives for uploading movies that the Internet Archive may not accept. My personal belief is that any independent artist should have a chance to get his or her work shown. I do not believe that all the videos rejected at this site are a violation of copyright laws. For example; I have attempted many times to place my music video
"How will I laugh Tomorrow... When I can't even smile today" on this site. However, everytime I upload it here, it is frozen by the curiator because they claim it breaks the copyright code.
Maybe in some ways it might, considering the video footage does come from the second season of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer; however, other sites have accepted it and it has done fair in these locations. It was available for download at this location; however, currently all that is available is a windows media stream located at http://www.videoart.net/home.artists/VideoPAge.cfm?Artist_ID=408&ArtWork_ID=388&Player_ID=4

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Poster:	nessie	Date:	November 13, 2005 03:09:29am
Forum:	opensource_movies	Subject:	Disinformation

Sorry to take so long to reply. This was just brought to my attention"

>Just found this posting at http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/01/277978.shtml

This posting was a pack of lies, to which people's names were forged. It was then spammed all over the network.

See:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/1671143_comment.php#1672316

>It may explain why the site was actually shut down.

The site has not been "shut down." It's up and functioning as it has been all along. Unlike some IMCs (Indybay, Utah, Pgh., North Carolina, etc.) it is devoid of disinformation, forgeries, spam, gibberish, advertising, homophobia, misogyny, classism, racism, warmongering, and apologies for exploitation and ecocide.

SF-IMC: hard news, cogent analysis, no bullsh*t.

See for yourselves:

http://sf.indymedia.org