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Poster: | BensDad | Date: | Nov 29, 2005 3:37pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
This post was modified by BensDad on 2005-11-29 23:37:44
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Poster: | Tyler | Date: | Nov 29, 2005 4:00pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-band-details.php?band=Phil%20Lesh%20and%20Friends
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-band-details.php?band=Ratdog
I don't know what the Phil section entailed, I was not involved with that. Ratdog though, we received (and there they are, pasted in) direct permission and correspondences with Peter Ammerall, ratdog archivist.
So did you use the mp3 policy or did you get permission [for GD]?
I was not involved with the setup of the section / GD project at all, but I do know that when the GD section was set up, a new drop down item was created for us to use when setting up a band: "Policy allows archives" .. which the section for GD was flagged with that description, rather then the standard flag we put for most band activations: "Responded with permission". To be fair, i'm sure discussions were held from all sides of all camps, but regardless, the entry for the band did say (and still does say):
"Permission status: Policy allows archives"
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-band-details.php?band_id=3
most bands, like say a recent band 'Motivational Speakers' have their entry:
"Permission status: Responded with permission"
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-band-details.php?band=Motivational%20Speakers
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Poster: | BensDad | Date: | Nov 29, 2005 4:13pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
I got ya on that part. So how does the mp3 policy statement that is widely known and discussed cover the lossless files in the "Policy allows archives" argument? How were those lossless files allowed to be archived if that is not part of the "policy?" Sorry, I am just trying to understand all of this on a lower level...I'm just a bartender ;)
Like you said..." i'm sure discussions were held from all sides of all camps" and if in fact that were true then what McNally said in the NY Times article was not true...
"These folks assembled a Deadhead's dream collection and made it available," Mr. McNally said. "When we discovered it, we decided to take a wait-and-see approach."
That would mean that from the git go they had no idea it was going up, which would in turn mean that LMA did indeed not have permission to allow their lossless files to be uploaded but it was ok (per their mp3 policy) to upload just the mp3 files, otherwise someone is not being totally clear about whether or not permission had been given before the shows started be showing up...D****T this is confusing...
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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Poster: | rmcd111 | Date: | Nov 30, 2005 11:24am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
I have an idea if the LMA is so threatening....Offer the vault up tommorrow? Subscription model, per show per song only drums and space only long way to go homes no vince all vince whatever who cares it has been 10 years if people had acces they would pay if that is what everybody is worried about $$$$$$$$$ then offer the product helloooooooo? Thank god for the greatest base player ever
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Poster: | Diana Hamilton | Date: | Nov 29, 2005 9:08pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-30 05:08:53
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Poster: | Diana Hamilton | Date: | Dec 1, 2005 1:37am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
Remarks from Mr. Barlow in that article indicate the policy was from 1997, so there was not even any lossless trading or downloading even to specify then AFAIK! In fact, fan audio CD-CD trading itself was only just starting up then as people were just starting to move away from cassette tapes.
The 2 relevant paragraphs:
But there was also some question as to how explicit the band's permission had been in allowing files to be placed in the Live Music Archive to begin with. Mr. Barlow said the band had had a policy since 1997 that "we had no more problem with someone digital file sharing than we had with tape sharing." He said he had relayed that policy to operators of the archive when they contacted him.
"I said that, given that's our policy, I don't see a problem," Mr. Barlow said. But, he acknowledged, he had also feared that a request for explicit permission from the band's corporate entity might get snarled in band politics - which seemed to be the case this week.
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Poster: | Olo | Date: | Nov 29, 2005 9:33pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
Even BT sites could be construed as a form of trade, but LMA is merely a hosting site for anyone to grab and not give anything back.
How does that fit with GD policy of "digital audio files being traded"??????
Answer:
It doesn't.
Liberty? Find your own way home.
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Poster: | HopOttin | Date: | Nov 30, 2005 12:31am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
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Poster: | DEADBUCK | Date: | Nov 30, 2005 12:41am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
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Poster: | fiyo fiyo | Date: | Nov 30, 2005 12:50am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
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Poster: | jeff lester | Date: | Nov 30, 2005 9:42am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: I have a GD question for LMA Admin. |
www.deadlists.com
or
www.deadbase.com
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Poster: | Diana Hamilton | Date: | Nov 29, 2005 10:45pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Trading and the Gift Culture |
This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-30 06:45:04