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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 6, 2009 5:42am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 8:31am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 6:49pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 7, 2009 7:28pm |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 12:10am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
They must have rehearsed it a good deal, as that one known (live) version is well worked out (arranged), what the hell happened to "Keep Rolling By"?
How many other songs are there only one live version of?
OK, there's "Rosemary", (Aoxomoxoa), which made the album appearence and one semi-live, almost sound check.
Ditto "What's Become Of The Baby".
But both of those were Garcia anomalies, virtual throways, never intended to become concert staples - whereas "Keep Rolling By" does sound like they intended to keep it going,
I mean, there's more serious intent in the performance than they ever put into live versions of say, "Golden Road"...
and yet "Keep Rolling By" has never turned up either as a demo or as a studio rehearsal...
just plain weird, man...
like out of the Twilight Zone except things don't really happen that way.
Forr being such a "jam band", and to be sure, they improvised and did all kinds of rearrangements...
basically, songs like "The Eleven" were built upon a solid structure, the song was born of several rehearsals, it wasn't magically improvised out thin air live on stage.
"Changes that haven't come before" came, but not whole songs...
many of their jams were based on other songs, such as "There Is A Mountain" - Donovan
"Darkness, Darkness" - Youngbloods
and various R&B tunes...
Now, this "Keep Rolling By" is said on one site and elsewhere to be a traditional...
hogwash!
Show me that "traditional"!
It's a Grateful dead original...
I think...
So again, why'd they "lose" it, even faster than "Clementine", after putting so much work into it?
Anyway, thanks Sty, for being kind enough to reply to my obsessions for this one song - glad we both actually like it, and aren't just wallowing in it's rarity factor alone....
it's a real dance inspirer - play it loud folks, and let you feet wiggle from left to right, in your stocking feet, as you slip and slide across the floor with your honey, and
Pig and Jer will wink at you from the great Spaghetti Factory beyond.
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Poster: | Styrofoam Cueball | Date: | Jul 8, 2009 7:55am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
I'm also a big fan of "You See A Broken Heart," another early number that got shelved too fast... Pig and Jer's call and response always knocks me out! :)
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Poster: | William Tell | Date: | Jul 6, 2009 7:12am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
And yes, it is amazing what you find on the expanded disks of the Gold Rd set, which I often pull out from the first 5-6 studio releases, and then with the bonus material you get some real surprises putting five disks on shuffle...
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 6, 2009 9:01am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
Yeah, that would explain why I kinda just put it away all but forgetting about it, subconsciously back burnering it.
Right now I'm playing DP 8, the electric set, for the first time in years.
I borrowed it from a friend 10 years ago and made tapes of the acoustic and electric sets.
Right off the bat, I'm reminded that the electric set on DP 8 is mono, and that's a downright shame. I checked Wiki, and the acoustic set on DP 8 is in stereo, maybe that adds a lot to it's sparkle.
The electric set isn't exactly grabbing me - though I be damned for suggesting such a highly rated show is less than
what it's cracked up to be.
OK, now I'm hearing "Good Lovin', and it does have some unusual tempo changes...
but the Sauint Stephen Cryptical Other One versions were kind of average in an above average way...
Great, but not really tip top. To my ears. And maybe that's why I haven't played it in over 5 nyears.
I played it several times when I first got a copy.
Listening to Dancing In The Street now. It's OK. I'll keep playing the electric set, and later I'll relisten to the acoustic set which wasn't handy but it's around here somewhere.
And then there was DP 16, which I fully expected to dig big time, but I couldn't get into it much at all, and returned it to the store for 75% credit (a fair exchange common at several of the large retail outlets such as Amoeba)...
and I didn't even tape any of the tracks... weird!
I probably would now, given the choice. But I've never had the desire to get it again (DP 16).
OK wait a second, Garcia is doing a very hip cool jazzy R&B inspired jam on Dancing In The Street - what't the song this riff he's improvising reminds me of?
Anyway, mono or not, we've got a winner!
BTW WT,
tha's some carousel, shuffling the 1st 5 studio GD LPs with surprizes galore.
Hey gang, guess who's pad we're crashin' tonite!
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Poster: | cream-puff-war | Date: | Jul 6, 2009 10:40am |
Forum: | GratefulDead | Subject: | Re: Great Versions of Songs on Commercial Releases (Under 10 Minutes) |
I've been listening a lot to 1970-06-05 and 1970-06-06, in spite of the occassional poor sound quality or audience tape patch-ins, but damn, June 6th '70 has one of the most intense versions of Lovelight - I wonder if there's a better version anywhere, so I can live with less than ideal sound quality; the same goes for Attics of My Life from June 5th.
Anyway, it's unusual for me to wade in the waters of '70...
so beg pardon if I judged the May 2nd show hastily -
may I say that the DP 8 mono recording of Morning Dew can't put a scratch on what may be the best version of that song I've heard, ever.
Based on my relistening of it an hour or so ago...
whoah - it's killer.
And it's followed by a mighty fine Viola Lee Blues - so with Dancing, I've just rediscovered 3 all-time classic versions, thanks to this thread.
My main pc (now in the repair shop) should maybe break down more often (bite my tongue!) - being thrown back into the 20thy century causes all sorts of unexpected gems to emerge from one's neglected mid-low audio quality nevertheless top shelf GD to be replayed.
Shake that dust off yo' tail feather baby!
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