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Cliff Hucker |
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Jan 14, 2010 10:18pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
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RBNW....new and improved! |
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Jan 15, 2010 4:20am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
nice and graphic! 5 stars....
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buscameby |
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Jan 14, 2010 10:20pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
A little to sugar coated eh Cliff?
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jerlouvis |
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Jan 14, 2010 10:25pm |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
Christian beliefs are intolerant and harmful and should be met with disdain.I try and deal with things in a realistic and sane way,not having come across any "greater minds than ours".
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snori |
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Jan 15, 2010 1:23am |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
That's how I feel about all religious organisations. In the highly unlikely event I were to become anyone's disciple it would be Richard Dawkins, but I suspect he wouldn't approve.
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bluedevil |
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Jan 14, 2010 11:02pm |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
Nothing. And everything. Think, it ain't illegal yet...
9/13/01
Then Falwell said, "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson replied, "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell said, "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson said, "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."
Falwell added, "Pat, did you notice yesterday that the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, the People for the American Way, NOW, etc., were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress, as they went out on the steps and and called out to God in prayer and sang 'God bless America' and said, let the ACLU be hanged. In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time, calling on God."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn2QCTuohOc&feature=related
Although Hindu, Gandhi had a very close connection with Christianity and admired Jesus very much, often quoting from his favorite 'Sermon on the Mount' chapter in Mathew 5–7.
When the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Gandhi he asked him, "Mr. Gandhi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"
Gandhi replied, "Oh, I don't reject Christ. I love Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neC_NH1AgTY&feature=related
This post was modified by bluedevil on 2010-01-15 07:02:15
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mickmac |
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Jan 15, 2010 4:07am |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
God hates us all.
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cousinkix1953 |
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Jan 15, 2010 9:41pm |
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Hey you guys, remember those fundies who used to yell at us in the parking lots? "Repent." They made regular stops at the Oakland Coliseum and the Shoreline Ampitheatre. Those people didn't have tickets and weren't going to the shows; so I don't know why BGP let them on the property.
It wouldn't surprise me, to hear that David Gans might have been inspired to write a song called, "Who Will Save Us From The Saved", after get a few doses of this bullshit too.
I'm reminded of these fanatics; whenever that Westboro Baptist Church mob is picketing a dead soldier's funeral and screaming about a f----- going to hell.
This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2010-01-16 05:41:28
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cush212 |
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Jan 16, 2010 9:58pm |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
Not me ;)
Strongly disaproves of me though...
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buscameby |
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Jan 15, 2010 10:03am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
Sorry I disagree, those who are intolerant aren't real christians.
Christ told them not to judge and to love all mankind
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bluedevil |
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Jan 15, 2010 10:08am |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
it's all been downhill since the council of nicea (rise up arians!)
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buscameby |
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Jan 15, 2010 10:19am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
Yeah I'm a Gnostic and we lost the power struggle then and have been burned at the stake since.
I still believe in the message of a Perfect Living Master.
And to a earlier rebuke of my message I think there is only one Perfect Conscience that understand the whole picture perfectly.
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headgdhead |
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Jan 15, 2010 7:12am |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
jerlouvis, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Confucian, Buddhist beliefs are inanimate. What some men do in their name is intolerant and harmful. If you haven't come across any "greater minds than ours", then you are either very young or led a very shelterd existence.
Jerry made his priorities perfectly clear, “For me, the lame part of the Sixties was the political part, the social part. The real part was the spiritual part.”
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William Tell |
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Jan 15, 2010 11:09am |
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I would note that what Jerry meant by "the spiritual part" was, again, IMHO, not at all associated with religion, as you note, and perhaps not even with God, per se. Certainly the spiritual aspect of the 60s, as represented in SF, was largely a hedonistic, self serving spiritualism. One of self exploration, and enlightenment, and not in any way connected with finding out about divine beings and the like.
So, I think it perfectly reasonable to find that Jerry was largely a secular humanist, and yet, considered this "spiritual" in the sense of bettering human kind in some significant way by being interested and in fact expanding our opportunities for education, the arts, music, etc., etc.
My point is "spirituality" does not equal "God" or "religion" necessarily. A person that behaves in a christian fashion, in my book, might be considered "spiritual" without believing in spirits, etc. One grounded in cultural and historical doctrine, seeing the humanistic side to our interactions, etc., etc.
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headgdhead |
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Jan 15, 2010 11:31am |
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Yah Jerry never expanded on his meaning but he was very well read so I tend to lean toward the literal meaning of word.
According to Merriam:
1 : of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : incorporeal
2 a : of or relating to sacred matters b : ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal
3 : concerned with religious values
4 : related or joined in spirit
5 a : of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena b : of, relating to, or involving spiritualism : spiritualistic
Given the context in which he said it I would say 1 and/or 4 were his most likely meaning.
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William Tell |
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Jan 15, 2010 12:46pm |
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Got ya; so, given he said the best part about the 60s was the "spiritual", I think we need to examine how much of the 60s fits the defn you quote above...? right? esp what went down in SF...
Not much is the obvious answer, right? So, in the context of his statement, I think we can infer he meant spirituality in the common usage of the term separated from "spirits"...
But, as you note, only speculation.
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spacedface |
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Jan 15, 2010 9:55pm |
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Spirituality and religion are inseparable. It's only from laziness, pride, or cowardice that the "spiritual" can't find solace from the religions. And just because you appreciate religion doesn't mean you can't enjoy different forms of expression like art and literature.
I wonder what Jerry talked to Dylan about during Dylan's born-again Christian phase that Dylan appreciated for so long? And what was Legion of Mary about anyway? Maybe they should have named the band the Dawkins or The Selfish Genes or The Nothing.
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William Tell |
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Jan 16, 2010 1:15pm |
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Well, all depends on how you define and use the term "spiritual". I venture to say your conjoining the two is NOT what happened here in New Age California, certainly not in the 60s.
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spacedface |
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Jan 16, 2010 5:43pm |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
You venture wrong. This time. :)
This post was modified by spacedface on 2010-01-17 01:43:19
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jerlouvis |
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Jan 15, 2010 9:35am |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
headgdhead,I'm 51 years old and have not lead a sheltered life.The practices of some of those organizations are very animated,just look at all the wars taking place and see who is fighting who and why,or ask a woman walking into an abortion clinic being harangued by some believers if it is dogma or some very animated cretin screaming horrible things at her.Being well read and intelligent I'm very cautious of anything or anyone telling me they have the"answers".As for your reference to "St. Jerry" I usually don't look to junkie guitar players who made a mess of their own life for guidance in mine,so the relevance or importance of anything he has to say is lost on me and it's inclusion in this discussion I find puzzling.As for you sir,I think you are a presumptuous,offensive asshole and I certainly don't need your perspective on philosophy.
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headgdhead |
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Jan 15, 2010 10:49am |
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Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
Well now I guess it's not only those with Christian beliefs that are intolerant and harmful.
I like the way you try to twist the argument from beliefs to "practices" in an attempt to validate your original post. Just so we're clear beliefs are inamimate, practices are man made actions and are animated. Thank you for agreeing with my point.
51 years and all you can do is call names like a 15 year old. Are you sure you're not also dyslexic?
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jerlouvis |
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Jan 15, 2010 11:35am |
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Re: Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
hedgehead,you can split hairs about beliefs and practices ,what concerns me is the effect their practicing their interpretation of Christian or other cultist beliefs as on the society I am part of.I choose to meet their intolerant and evil ideals with a similar intolerance and total lack of respect for their all they represent,which is how they deserve to be dealt with since in reality that's how they treat people not of their mind.As for the name calling I guess in effect calling me a young=stupid or unlearned,or sheltered=stupid or unlearned wasn't name calling.While my reply was crude,I'll stand by it you are an asshole.I don't have the desire to discuss this any further,being that it is a true waste of my time.
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headgdhead |
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Jan 16, 2010 4:41am |
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Re: Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
So the bottom line is YOU are no different than THEM.
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jerlouvis |
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Jan 16, 2010 10:24am |
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Actually I'm nothing at all like them,but in matters concerning their religious beliefs I am unbending in my rejection of their beliefs.In some cases it is not alright to say everyone has a right to their beliefs because their beliefs have a negative effect on our society as a whole.It retards scientific growth,it fosters unacceptable attitudes towards women,gay people and people who don't agree with their twisted ideals.I see no real difference between religious organizations and groups like the Ku Klux Klan and while I agree they have every right to exist and live how they see fit,I surely don't have to sit back and let them impact my life negatively.I feel a harsh and rigid refusal to bend to their mindset is the only answer to the myriad of problems these deviants present.If you see fit to twist that into my being just like them so be it,but in fact it could not be farther from the truth.All you live and let live people just sit back with that attitude,and let them slowly twist our world.
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William Tell |
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Jan 16, 2010 1:14pm |
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Re: Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
Very well said, JL; I for one think you need little help...certainly none from the likes of us here at this board.
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jerlouvis |
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Jan 16, 2010 10:53pm |
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Re: Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
Well I guess suggesting that we refuse to knuckle under to the religious right in this country deems me worthy of needing help.I can understand this coming from someone delusional enough to defend and be a member of the Catholic church, The religious entities in this country are a powerful force and if left unchecked are going to shove their beliefs down our throats.
This post was modified by jerlouvis on 2010-01-17 06:53:10
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Arbuthnot |
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Jan 16, 2010 9:45pm |
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Re: Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
fyi, you completely mis-read WT's post, note the "need little" not "need A little"
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jerlouvis |
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Jan 16, 2010 10:59pm |
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Re: Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
Arbuthnot,thanks for pointing out my error,I did just what you inferred and saw an "a" where there wasn't one.The JL abbreviation also threw me off as I thought WT was referring to headgdhead by his real initials not my stupid password name shortened to JL.To Mr. Tell I apologize for my stupidity in misreading your post,and edited my response to leave you out.I at times can be stupid and a card carrying member of the asshole club.
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headgdhead |
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Jan 16, 2010 1:01pm |
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Re: Talk about a HYPOCRITE |
Get some help, you're in denial dude.
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hippie64 |
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Jan 16, 2010 6:44pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
"Christians" are generally intolarant and harmful. I can't think of anything Jesus Christ said that was harmful or intolarant.
I seriously pray to Jesus Christ every night to protect me from his followers.
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spacedface |
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Jan 16, 2010 7:38pm |
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Re: Whats so damn atheistical about the dead? |
Jesus is on the right hand side of the throne, a teacher and helper, so you might want to go higher.
Jesus said: "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone.
and also this:
I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
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