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Afro Tom |
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Apr 30, 2006 5:48am |
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Best JGB show? |
I'm neck-deep in dead recordings, but i have very few JGB shows, and I don't have much experience with them. What are some of their more famous shows?
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Gr8fulBean |
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Jul 17, 2019 9:37pm |
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JGB, March 22,1978, Veteran’s Hall, Garcia Live Vol.4
Band is on fire, clean, jerry’s voice is young, lot’s of passion,, Donna with JGB is actually nice, Keith is on keys and his talent stands out, still prefer JGB overall from 1980 on but this one is really fun, this is earlier JGB before Melvin Seals
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Gr8fulBean |
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Jul 17, 2019 9:37pm |
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JGB, March 22,1978, Veteran’s Hall, Garcia Live Vol.4
Band is on fire, clean, jerry’s voice is young, lot’s of passion,, Donna with JGB is actually nice, Keith is on keys and his talent stands out, still prefer JGB overall from 1980 on but this one is really fun, this is earlier JGB before Melvin Seals
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tiger2 |
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May 1, 2006 7:11am |
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Some great responses here. I'll take some of the early 80's recommendations posted myself - that's the era I have the fewest shows from, well except post-'91. The only caveat I'd give for early '80s is that his voice is less than great in some of those shows.
I'll try to give an overview of what I think are the starting points of a great classic cJGB collection.
Jerry started playing with his organized side band regularly in '72. Merle Saunders is the constant presence from then thru '75. Start with the infamous 2-6-72 Pacific High show featuring Kreutzmann. The pre-FM sbd circulates and that show is a must have.
By '73 the material became jazzier culminating in the "Legion of Mary" with Martin Fierro on sax. Some people think this is the best Jerry side band of all time, some people hate it because either they don't like Martin's playing (he can be shrill sometimes) or they don't like the expansive, jazzy tunes. The "Cornell" show from this era is 5-21-75, it's widely circulated in sbd and deserves its hot reputation. Start there. Another interesting show is 8-31-74 which circulates in a stunning onstage-mic recording. These onstage mic recordings are a little odd, the mix is strange and the vocals are soft, but I guarantee you have *never* heard Jerry's amp tone like this before. Check it out.
I'll note that partway through this run Jerry got his "secret weapon" which he lost in mid-77: drummer Ron Tutt, a truly underappreciated genius. What an incredible musician!
Oh, avoid shows from '73 with Sarah Fulcher. WTF? Horrible!
In '75 there was briefly a lineup with amazing but pathetically drunk piano player Nicky Hopkins. I honestly don't care for any of those shows that much.
In early '76 he started a new lineup with Keith and Donna, along with Tutt and of course Kahn. How ppl like this depends mostly on how you feel about Donna. I'd say her singing is better on average with JGB than it was with the Dead and leave the rest up to you.
A couple of my very favorite shows from this era have been released officially: 5-21-76 and 7-29-77. Some of the guitar playing her does in '77 JGB is just ridiculous. 3-18-78 is another classic show, with Maria Muldaur also on vocals. Strenths and weaknesses of this era mirror those of the Dead: '76 can be beautiful and intricate, or sloppy and slow; '77 can be raging and brilliant, or coked-out repetitive and sloppy; and '78 is either high-wire genius of victory or crash-and-burn agony of defeat. There's a lot of great shows from this era. 2-21-76, 12-11-77, 11-23 and 11-27-77 all come to mind right away.
Then there was, briefly, Reconstruction: cheesy disco fusion schwag. IMO. Some people like it I guess.
After than come the 80's and 90's which other people have covered really well. I'll just add that I really like the Garcia/Kahn shows from '82. I have a bunch and they're pretty much all good.
Enjoy!
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wineland |
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May 2, 2006 3:26am |
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I have to second the 3.18.78 late show. It has been in my car cd changer since the day I burned it a couple years ago. I think some or all of it is part of the Pure Jerry releases.
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stratocaster |
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Apr 30, 2006 8:43am |
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09-16-1989 poplar creek, my favorite...awesome playing from Garcia, some tight fiery rock and blues playing
11-05-1993/ 11-12-1993 best Reuben and Cherise and Maker on 11-5
10-31-1986, 10-31-1992 great halloween shows , 10-31-1986 is actually Jerry's comeback show, his first since his coma and he jams...
08-24/25-1991 great sounding boards, nice performance
11-17/19/21-1991 great stand any night
05-05-1982 Garcia solo acoustic Oregon State prison
11-25-1983 great sounding board
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TeaBag69 |
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May 5, 2009 8:53am |
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Just a friendly correction - 1031/86 was NOT garcia's first show after his coma. I know because I was there. His combeack show was oct. 4th at The Stone, a small club in the city he played at quite frequently in the '80's, the golden era way before touch of grey came out.
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**~LaZy~LightNing~** |
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Jan 16, 2014 5:32pm |
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Thank you TeaBag69 (awkward????), it definitely wasn't Jerry's first post-coma solo show. ou are absolutely right about the Stone being the venue... Specifically, October 4th. And, what makes it so special to me is this was also the first ever performance of 'Forever Young'. Obviously not a coincidence. I have an audience of the show... doesn't sound great but it is super special and sounds phenom every time!! (~);}
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1mosier |
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Jul 25, 2011 11:37pm |
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correct....
just the same...it was a very fun and memorable show and great to see Jerry back on stage in a "formal" sense..
I remember "discovering" the upstairs convention proscenium stage on level 3 (4,5?) Upstage Left corner...where they were serving peach daiquiries (only?) and music was piped in with complete PA on the stage where Dracula and Frankenstein were playing table tennis set up there...very cool room up there!
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bluedevil |
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May 5, 2009 9:03am |
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I was there as well! But I'm not sure the date is right (I can't remember last week let alone 25 years ago with any specificity). This supposedly lists his shows by year for JGB:
http://www.thejerrysite.com/shows/years/1984
I saw a bunch of shows at Stone in early to mid 80s. 84 August shows come to mind. One time saw JGB and a few nights later saw Voivod open for Soundgarden open for ... Danzig. A bit of a contrast. Vesuvios and Specs and the Stone.
This post was modified by bluedevil on 2009-05-05 16:02:38
This post was modified by bluedevil on 2009-05-05 16:03:55
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sambonk2 |
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May 5, 2009 9:03am |
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11-13-91..bradley Center is smokin
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c-freedom |
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Jan 16, 2014 5:47pm |
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The show on Wolf gangs with the 10 minute Let it Rock to open.(not technically a favorite show but just a favorite song)
OSP Jerry acoustic-one tape I should never have parted with.
I enjoy Maria and Donna doing backup on the mellow tunes.
Garcia Band in 78 seemed to be pretty tight.
I Saw Jerry on Broadway- musically not overwhelming but extremely cool!!!
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wineland |
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May 1, 2006 5:02am |
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I'm a big fan of any of the 76 & 77 shows. Just the perfect groove around this time. And a stellar time for the Dead. Jerry was definitely on the top of his game.
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Fishead |
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May 1, 2006 11:41pm |
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12-21-79 keystone is killer jerry...great 17 min positively 4th street
also keane college feb 1980
after midnight>elenor rigby jam>after midnite is a smokin!
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The Bopper |
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May 1, 2006 4:24am |
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You'll find JGB changed styles much like the Dead did. From the more simple R&B and country styles of the early 70's (Legion of Mary + Old and in the way), to the more laid back late 70's (JGB + Reconstruction), to the reggae/rock early 80's and then a slow transformation to the gospel sounding 90's. I think up to the 90's, the GD and JGB's styles sort of mirrored each other. But as JGB got more "Shining Star" gospel style, the GD's music became stagnant. And from what I saw and what I've read, Jerry looked like he had a lot more fun at JGB shows then he did at Dead shows towards the end.
I personally think '81 through spring '84 is the best period for the JGB (also my favorite period of GD)Going back now and having access to so many shows, post '86 Garcia doesn't do much for me. His playing rarely had the speed, precision or intensity in the late 80's and 90's as it did pre '86.
Some good early 80's shows:
2/4/81
2/5/81
11/4/81 - solid
3/7/82 - a holy grail show
4/10/82 - I think the only time JG performed solo. After this show he decided to bring John Kahn in for the rest of the tour
5/5/82
6/16/82
11/11/82 - best of fall '82? JGB showing their stuff at MSG
5/30/83
5/31/83 - probably the highest energy show I've heard. Rhapsody in Red opener will blow you away
6/1/83 - nice followup to the previous night
Fall '83 - Lots of excellent sounding boards from this tour. 11/25, 11/27, 12/2, 12/3...the list goes on. All of these shows are killer.
8/13/84 - best JGB Sugaree
One more place besides bt.etree.org and shnflac.net is tmnsp.net - if you are on all three of these sites you'll be sure to find plenty of JGB.
PS - you can download a SBD of Stratocasters favorite show now on bt.etree.org
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=23781
This post was modified by The Bopper on 2006-05-01 11:24:56
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stratocaster |
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May 1, 2006 12:31pm |
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how do I play bit torrent or that file?
it's not working for me...
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The Bopper |
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May 2, 2006 2:27am |
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The bittorrent is actually a process that uses a small program installed on your computer to download the show from people who are sharing it. It's similar to the plain old download you do from here at the archive except you pull the music from a bunch of different places instead of one. The other difference is that you can't just download the songs by clicking "save", you need a special program on your computer (called a bittorent client) to download and save the music for you.
First thing to do is get the downloader program . There are a bunch of different ones out there but I recommend Azerus. Here is the direct download link -
http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/azureus/Azureus_2.4.0.2_Win32.setup.exe
Once you get that installed click on this link
http://bt.etree.org/download.php/23781/jgb1989-09-16.sbd.unknown.7325.sbeok.shnf.torrent and the show will open up and be ready to start downloading in the new program you just installed. The program will prompt you where to save the music files. You can't listen to the music until the download is totally done. But once your download reaches 100%, you'll have the songs just like you would if you downloaded off the archive. Remember that you have to leave the program running all the time to make the download work.
The only thing to watch for is how many people are sharing (normally called "seeding") the show. You'll be able to see this number easily once you get the program installed. If it's only 1 or 2 people, it might take a few days to download a show. If lots of people are seeding, then the download should be as quick as the archive downloads are. What normally happens is that once a new show is shared, everyone jumps on and downloads. So the download speed will be quick for everyone. But then after a while, people leave and the speeds will become slow until the torrent dies altogether.
Finally, once you download the show it's good to leave the program running so you can share you recently downloaded show with everyone else. Most of the download programs (bittorent clients) have a share ratio. They remember how much music you've downloaded and how much music you've shared or uploaded.
Hope this helps
This post was modified by The Bopper on 2006-05-02 09:27:01
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christafari |
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Oct 20, 2010 6:32pm |
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I did a mini tour JGB style never with the DEAD In any event the tour started @ The old Wardolf in SF 1- 13 -82 awesome show!!! nxt 2 shows March 18- 19 -82 I attended Jerry was on Fire @ Mojos Arcata Ca & the next sponcered by the groweres of Humbolt was in Garberville Ca 3-20-82 and it was off to the Keystones 3-20 82 in the Bay-area all epic shows Also May 82 Music MNT NY great aud out door recording too
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CandyMan81 |
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May 1, 2006 6:26am |
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i really dig the pre-dead jerry, his bluegrass side:
1962-06-11 - Sleepy Valley Hogstompers
1963-02-23 - Wildwood Boys
then there's Old & In the Way:
1973-06-06
1973-11-04
are great ones
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AshesRising |
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May 1, 2006 7:22pm |
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Good Morning, "Afro Tom:" -- I am supposed to be working now so I can just write a few thoughts rather than list specific shows. First, I suspect you may be suprised at how well Keith Godcheaux playend when he was just with Jerry -- some really nice music was created between the two of them. There is an album on the Garcia Estate web site (
http://jerrygarcia.com) that you may want to either buy or find a download -- it is from July 29 & 30, 1977 (3-disc set)from shows in small place in San Fran called "Theatre 1839." I mention it because on the first disc there is a 12-minute version of "Stir it Up" which is truly, truly beautiful -- both in the vocals, especially Donna, and then Jerry's notes of gold that must have touched everybody in attendance because they transcend the CD as well. At the end of the second disc is a tune that is pristine as well: "Let Me Roll It" (9-minutes). (Also somewhere on the three discs is a 27-minute version of "Don't Let Go" -- I cannot remember it right now but it sounds like one should be well "primed" before listening to it for whatever happens.) Just a couple of items: Jerry toured with Clarence Clemmons for many shows (at least out here on the east coast) and I remmeber some great pieces of work between the both of them. As for the two releases from his stint on Broadway: I recommend up try to listen to some of it either on-line of from another source before purchasing one or both of the albums -- there is definitely some really nice tunes, but you really, really gotta appreciate the acoustic sets as well to truly get your money's worth. My recommendation would be to put the cash towards the DVD from Shoreline, Setp. 1,1990 --- as with everything else, there will probably be some tunes you like more than others, however, I gotta tell you that it is a blessing to see Jerry in such a fine state on so many levels ---- a lot the memories and all of the feeelings from a couple of decades just keep flowing to the surface each time I watch even just a couple of tunes -- I believe it is well worth the cash since it is priceless. Grace be with you, - AshesRising
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Ole Uncle John |
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Apr 30, 2006 1:37pm |
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Go to:
http://bt.etree.org/ or
http://www.shnflac.net/ And just start grabbing a few from different years via bit torrenting. JGB is a bit like the Dead, different years have unique sounds and set lists, find out what you like and have at it.
I had 0 JGB a year and a half ago and now have around 250 shows that I've gotten mostly from the above sites.
I personally am very partial to 76, 84 and 93.
Cheers!
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midnight sun |
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May 1, 2006 4:59pm |
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Great suggestions in this thread!
77-12-11 has an 18 min. "Lonesome and a Long Way From Home" that jams into a rare JGB "Space" and back again. Worth noting to some is that Marie Muldar is the only harmony vocalist for this particular performance (no Donna). Also no harmony vocalists at all in the band from October 79 through to May 81.
Have to agree with The Bopper, 82-06-16 Music Mountain (smokin jams). Bill Kreutzmann is the drummist from December 81 to September 82.
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1mosier |
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Jul 25, 2011 10:27pm |
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2/15/81 Glassboro State....NJ
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