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4th Session, 13th Parliament, 10-11 George V., 1920. 

THE SENATE OF CANADA 

REPORT 

OF THE 

SPECIAL COMMITTEE APPOINTED TO REPORT ON THE 
NAVIGABILITY AND FISHERY RESOURCES OF 

HUDSON BAY AND STRAIT 

PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT 

5019--1 

OTTAWA 
THOMAS MULVEY 
II=tlNTE1R TO THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY 
1920 



32 PE('IAL ('OM.IIITTEE 

on your sensations, you probably would not notice any difference in the winter. You 
would see of course, that the sun is lower, but I do not think you would notice nuch 
difference in the temperature although the average temperature might be five degrees 
lower and winter a little longer. 
Iu tile Northwest territory west of the tree line, the grasses have plenty of time 
to nmture aud that is the point, because after they once nmture they keep t.heir nourish- 
ment the year. 
The musk oxen are fatter in the early winter than in the sumlner. The fatness 
of the caribou does not depend on feed, it deperds on the breeding habits of the 
aninml for instance, tile bull caribou put about 50 pounds of fat on their back in 
September. By the end of October they do not have an ounce of fat on their backs, 
that is at the beginning of the rutting season they are fat, at the end they are lean, but 
the cows are still very fat and at ('hristnms time the bulls have lost their fat but the 
cows are still fairly fat. In February you find the old bulls begin to fatten while the 
cows get thinner, so you see that it is not the feed that coutrols the fatness, it is really 
the breeding habits of the animals. 
The musk oxen keep fat throughout the whole year. 
These grasses prevail throughout the whole northern territory, from the tree line 
as far north as 80 north latitude--where the soil is suitable whenever it is not rocky. 
Beginning at the intermtional boundary the tree line practically coincides with 
the crest of the Endicott mountains, then running east the line goes to the Mackenzie 
about fifty milcs above tile mouth across there, and it follows parallel to the coast, 
within fifty miles frmn it for some distance, and then when you get in the vicinity of 
Liverpool bay you find the trees ahuost down to the foot of the bay and the line runs 
across tile neck of the Bathurst peninsula and near Melville mountains and strikes the 
valley of the ]Iorton river. The tree line just about follows the valley of the Horton 
river, there beiug only in a few places trees to the east of it, though there is a forest 
to tile west, and when you come doxm within fifty miles of Bear lake you come to a 
continuous forest; the tree lines run east there _to Dismal lake. There are trees on the 
west cnd of Dismal lake and on the east end of it, but none in the middle. The tree 
line runs a little south frmn Dismal lake aud then east to the Copper mine river. Then 
it extends down the valley of the Copper mine river almost to the mouth and back 
again : that is, just in the valley of the Copper mitre, but to the east of that, by Eskimo 
information. I knw that the trees recede farther from the coast, and that the line runs 
in a general south westerly direction towards Fort Churchill, and Hudson bay. 
5:ow, the country that is most valuable for immediate development, in my opinion, 
is that country which has no trees, or at least country that has trees only in the river 
valleys, with the uplands bare. The IIorton river, the Coppermine river and the Dease 
river are such rivers; that is, there are plenty of trees in the river valleys, but the 
uplands are good grazing land, extending back. That is why there are so many wild 
caribou there. 
I think the grasses are mainly annual, but the main thing is that vegetation is 
abundant. It is shown by the fatness of the animals that it is also nutritious. Turnips 
are known as far as a little north of the Arctic circle. At fort Good Hope, which is 
easily six miles south of the Arctic circle they have large crops of potatoes and vege- 
tables. Fort Good Hope is four or five miles from the mouth of the Mackenzie river. 
Moose are increasing in the forestry area. A herd of caribou passed our camp at 
the head waters of the Dease river on Bear lake. The trail they made was four miles 
wide and there was scarcely a square-foot in that whole area, unless it might be in the 
shelter of a high rock, where it was not covered with foot prints. There were pro,bablv 
over one nillion in the herd. 



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few halibut, 1)ut no cod. We caught sahnon further north. When I was north of 
]3ainu Land I found that every river along there was teeming" with fish. I had the best 
market in Quebec for the fish I brought from there--salmon trout. They weigh from 
ten to fiften pounds. Some of them are spbcklcd. I wintered seven winters on those 
Arctic islands. 
There is plenty of grass on all. the low lands, any amount of vegetation and caribou. 
On Ielville I saw many hundreds of caribou and musk-oxen. There is especially on 
Melville, Banks and Victoria islands a great deal of animal life. 
There are snow sqfialls in the straits in the summer. Sometimes I have gone 
through a snow squall,' for four hours, and then all of a sudden the weather has cleared. 
Probably in the latter part of October, if there is a strong northeast wind, and if 
the ice is coming down, it may close the straits i'r a whaler, but for a steamer of the 
ice-bre,king class, that would not stop t. Our experience for years has been with the 
heavy vessels. I foun coal on mostly all the islands. I found coal on 5[elville island, 
and Banks island, and at point ]arrow. It is a brow lignite of old formation. I have 
been working there, at Ponds. inlet and Sahnon river and Miles inlet, from P, affin Land. 
There is a large deposit of coal there, a vein seven feet thick. I took enough to coal my 
ship back. It burns equally as well as Sydney coal. It has more gas in it. I might 
describe the residue by saying that the engine and everythino" gets coated. It burns 
well. The resid:ue i like the ashes of wood, or grass probably. It slacks as soon as it is 
mined. We found no difficulty in burning it. You could mine it in the winter time and 
get a vessel to go through the first thing in Aug,ust and shc would have to leave there 
by the first of October, that is. at Baffin Land. 
I should prefer port Churchill, because a ship can come 'n and she is in a harbour. 
In Nelson you have to anchor away out; before you get a chance to come in you have 
to contend with all that danger. Suppose you dredge there and next spring is an 
exceptionally fine spring and there is a heavy thaw. Your channel is filled up with sand 
and the channel is somewhere else. The work that you have done is lost. At Churchill 
you have a big body of water. Of course, sonde dredging would have to be done. It is 
land-locked. There (indicating Fort Churhill on the map) is the work of nature, and 
when a ma has to work against nature there is no money in it. 
Going into Nelson xvhen the weather is clear you ca go in at any time. When 
the weather is foggy you have to wait out there for three or four days. The channel is 
so far away that you can hardly see the land when you are anchored, and sometimes 
when it is not very clear you nay be ashore before you see the land. From tile nautical 
point of view, I prefer Churchill. The tide, too, is less at Churchill thal at Nelson. 
There are good harbours in Hudson straits, useful as harbou.rs of refuge. Port ]3urwell 
is a good port except in southerly winds. The gales there are squally. They are not 
usually steady. 
The strait of ]3elle-Isl, e is naviga.ble from June to December. The size of the ship 
in Hudson bay does not matter. It depends on the port you are entering. I should say 
4,000 tons, if you find a suitable place for loading and discharging. Any ordinary size 
of ship couM navigate in Hudson bay and strait. The size would not matter, as long as 
tile vessel was a sea-going ship and properly built for ice navigation, k large ship can 
be used in the bay and strait. 

EXTRACTS FROM EVIDENCE OF COL. WM. P. ANDERSON, MARINE 
DEPARTMENT. 

The concensus of the testimony gained from a study of tile reports and from 
statements of experts is that tile Hudson bay and strait are navigable for a minimum 
of three months and a maximum of four months in the year with specially protected 
vessels. So far as I can judge, the navigation conditions of Hudson bay and strait 
would be about the same as navigatio conditons in the White sel. Conditions 



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The Indians have told. me, natives who live at Port Burwell, that during tho 
winter there is more or legs open water in the straits. Local ice never forms there, 
except in the protected bays and coves on account of the current, but the ice comes 
down through Davis strait and from Fox channeh The ice iu the Atlantic entrance 
is principally frmn Barn bay and Davis strait and that the bay entrance is from Fox 
channel principally. 
I)ueks and aequatic birds are killed by the natives all during the wiuter at Port 
urwell. They hunt seals in the winter and use their kayaks. I have been in the 
straits as early as the first week in August but [ was never there after the cud of 
September. If it is thc intentim to navigate the waters of lludson bay and strait, 
I think aids to navigation like areqdanes, to discover the leads thr.ugh the ice, and 
wireless telegraphy would I)e of great advantage. There is a very valuable sea trout 
fishery at Port Burwell. Every river in that vicinity is teeming with large sea trout. 
And in the past there was a considerable cod fishery carried on there by a steamer 
from Nexvfoundland. ('od fishing is done hy the natives at Pm't Buruell. There are 
halibut hanks there, but they are some distauce off the ('oast. I never heard .f any 
herring. The only other sea animals are the zeal, the walrus and the white fish, that 
is the white whale, numbers of which m'e emght. They ,fitch caWh the white whales, 
in the seal nets. They get enormous q,uanrities ,f seals there. White whales run 
from 15 to 25 feet in length. 

EXTRA('T FROM TIlE EVIIIEN('E OF EI)WAi-,'I) E. I'RIN('E, I)OMINIOX 
COMMISSIONER OF FIStlERIES. 

I have for twenty-five years paid special attention to Huds,)n bay fishery 
resources. I have been to Nelson river, ,qaskatehewan, north nf the Pas, aud west, in 
what you might call the basin of I[udson bay. I weut overland, not by Iludson 
strait. 
On the western shore of Hudson bay and James bay, the shallowness is extreme, 
and the large mnount of ice which forms and breaks up and moves about backwards 
and forwards there is rather a menace both to fish life and to the food of fishes. One 
would not expect to find very large fishery resources there, but on the eastern coast of 
Hudson bay conditions are different. You have deeper water and high shores aud 
a great number of islands, which shelter the water, and [ have evidence that there 
is a real abundance of" fish on the east side of IIudson bay. 
There are three sections to the fisheries; first, those of the open sea, second, the 
estuary fisheries or the fisheries of the mouths of rivers, and then there are the 
fisheries of the rivers proper and the lakes. Fish occur there, undoubtedly )f the cod 
family, and the food of the cod occurs. I got from Dr. Bell specimens of eapeliu, 
caught at lIoose Factory. Cod always follow the eapelin, and the scientific man would 
say that where there are eapelin, cod should occur. 
There are several kinds of cod. The Arctic cod and the true cod d, not extend 
vdry far into the bay. They are around cape Wolstenhohne. The west of Ungava 
bay is, I think, about the last locality where nue cod are got--the large" cod. But 
there are several species of cod in the Arctic. One is called the Ogac; another is the 
Saida. 
The true salmon does not appear to be frequent in Hudson bay. Its northern 
limit is, I think, Ungava bay. The Hudson Bay sahuon is called Hearn's sahnon, 
after the British explorer Hearn, which runs from 2 to 1.q pounds weight. 
They are very abundant; they are a migratory fish and go in and out into the bay 
and up the rivers agaiu. T.h.e famous explorer Ross said that the fish were so ahun- 
dant that he could ahnost walk upon the backs of them in Big" Whale river. 
Then there is a sea-trout aud flat fish: There is also the large vhite fish. White 
fish are typical fresh water fish, but iu Hudsou bay quantities come down and haug 



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bushels of wheat could be diverted to the Hudson Bay railroad, then you would have 
a traffic of 3,000,000 tons. T,his wheat will be taken to Liverpool. Assuming that the 
freight rate is equal to that of the C.P.R. between Regina and Fort William you would 
have these 3,000,000 tons to transport on that basis, that is, carried at the rate of 
.6,90 cents per ton per mile--that is the exact equivalent of 24 cents per 100 pounds 
between Fort William and Regina. :Now on that basis if this railroad should be 
fortunate enough to transport 100,000,000 bushels it would earn $7,890,000 in round 
figures. 
Now, as to the cars coming back. On the C.P.R. 35 per cent of all cars that are 
moved eastward are taken back enpty. All railroads have th-at problem of the empty 
car, but this railway has it exaggerated to a very high degree, there would be so little 
return traffic. Of course that same condition has already arisen in every new country 
through which a railroad is being projected. This is true of the C.P.R. We have 
only a small percentage of the railways of Canada paying their way. Assuming that 
these cars all go back empty, this makes a very serious traffic situation. The railway 
must compete with the other railways to get this wheat, and you have three railwa.s 
competing for it, and they are able to get 65 per cent of their cars filled on the return 
trip westward. 
If you are depending on wheat supply for your traffic, when you consider the cost 
of storage, the cost of the railway, the investment in ships, you are really spending 
$10 to do a certain definite thing which you would be accomplishing just as easily 
by spending $3. 
The engineers are in our own department and I have asked them what was the 
expectation for local traffic, and they have always shaken their heads and said there 
did not seem to be any. The facilities for traffic often create traffic. I think it would 
be unreasonable to expect that the road would be utterly barren. 

EXTRACT FROM TIIE EVIDENCE ()F TIIE IION. MR. COCIIF, ANE, I:).C., M.P. 

I was at one time Minister of Railways for the Government of Canada. It was 
during my term of office that the Port of Nelson was selected as the terminal of the 
Hudson Bay railroad. The selection was fhmlly decided by ne largely on the report of 
engineers. I went myself to both places, _N-elson and Churchill. The port of Xelson was 
nearer and the railroad would be shorter. The engineer" reported that it would be 
necessary to cross the bad lands for a long distanee where the bottom was all the way 
down from six to ten feet before you got to anything like hard stuff, and I thought the 
building of the road would be a very difficult proposition. 
The tenders to go to Churchill was four mill'ion dollars more than to go to 
Nelson, and while the harbour at. Churchill would be easier to develop for a small 
harbour, yet the difference would not .be as much as the difference in cost of building 
the railroad. Xeither one of them was at that time very much of a harbour. But before 
I was there a boat drawing 2'20 feet of water went up to Xelson to where the harbour has 
been developed. Xo work had been done when I was there. 
When I came into offiee the contract for the first seetion had been let; there was 
not much work done; but the contract, for the first section was let, an4 supplies had 
been sent to Xelson. 
The seleetion of a terminal had not been final'ly made then, but I think if you will 
look up Hansard you will find that Ir. Graham, my predecessor, said his reeords from 
the engineer had been in favour of Nelson, the same as mine. I questioned the engineer 
and satisfied myself. Of course, I saw both ptaees, but my opinion as to a harbour 
would not amount to anything. I am not an engineer and it would only be a guess. 
The surveys were made to Split lake, and that is where the change would have 
taken place, at Split lake. 



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the mouth of that lagoon at say eight or ten miles an hour at spring tide. M'y idea 
of the proper method of enlarging that basin, if it needs to be enlarged--and of course 
it would need to be if it were used as a harbour for any num.ber of ships--would be 
to shatter the stony clay with charges of dynamite. Each time that a blast was 
fired with the outgoing tide, the current would carry the greater portion of the 
blaste material out into the operr ocean--all except the boulders--and the large 
masses. There would be no difficulty dredging the remainder with a heavy bucket 
or dipper dredge. There are very few boulders that could not be handled with an 
ordinary dipper dredge. At Churchill the tide might be allowed to do a lot of 
dredging work for you, because the water is a hundred anc twenty feet deep at the 
entrance. 
When I was looking over the ground at. these two harbours I was acting as 
geologist on the staff of the Geological Survey of Canada. 
At spring tides it would be difficult for steamers to go in for about four hours 
out of the twenty-four. 
:Nelson, I thirrk, can be made a harbour. That is, I thirrk it can be made so that 
ships can lie quite safely in it, and that freight can be loaded int'o ocean-going ships; 
but it will take very much more money to nmke a harbour at :Nelson than it will at 
Churchill. If the same money had been spent at Churchill that is said to have been 
spent at :Nelson, a large basin could have been dredged, which would have been a 
rock-protected and absolutely lan-locked harbour, one of the finest harbours in the 
world. 
I am a mining engineer, not. a civil engineer, but I should say that the extra 
cost of building the railroad from :Nelson to Churchill would be a very small frag- 
ment of the huge expenditure necessary to make a harbour at Nelson. That is the 
huge extra expenditure over what would be required to make a harbour out of 
Churchill. 
] may say here that I have the utmost confidence in th.e railway to ttudson bay 
being" of definite economic value to the country. I believe firmly, and I have made 
a study of the matter ?or . great many years, that when that railroad is completed 
to the bay and a harbour is constructed, either at :Nelson or Churchill, or at both, it 
will be of great service in both export from and import to the :Northwest. 
It is largely due to the fact that the Hudson ]ay railway was under construction, 
that new mining areas were discovered to the west of the road, and it looks as if 
branches might have to be built from the road before the road itself is completed to 
the terminals. The minerals already discovered are gold, copper and zinc. 
One copper mine, the [andy, had a beautiful vein of copper ore, one of the finest 
I have seen in the northern portion of :North America. It ran about 20 per cent pure 
copper. 
Tlmre is quite a considerable stretch of very fine arable land. along the railway. 
'rom Le Pas northward for twenty or thirty miles linestone comes close to the surface 
and the land is not of very great value. 'rom there for a hundred and fifty or two 
hundred miles is a stretch of beautiful clay land, just as fine land, as far as I could 
see, as any in Manitoba. It is partly wooded. I think there is coal in this district. 
I estimated, the area of this arable land in :Northern ][anitoba, adjacent to this 
railway at 5,000 square miles. Afterwards ][r. William McInnes, of the Geological 
Survey, reported that my estimate might be raised to 10,000 square miles. That is 
land fit for settlement. It is not a grass covered country for it is largely covered with 
poplar and spruce; it is much like the Dauphin district. t is better land than that 
near Selkirk, which is chiefly a stony clay; near Winnipeg and from there west, the soil 
is underlain by stratified deposits laid down in glacial lake Agassiz, similar to those 
of northern Manitoba. It is an undulating country; there is abundant rainfall and 
there are many beautiful lakes and streams. The clinmte is suitable for grain raising; 
the soil very similar to the clay 1,and in :Northern Ontario. 



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In view of the difference in the tender" costs there was a strorg preference for 
:Nelson--there were other reasons. The expenditure on the Hudson bay system is not 
for the purpose of furnishing protection for vessels, but to get the grain overseas as 
cheaply as possible, and the extra length of line to Churchill, with its consequent 
extra cost of maintenance, would offset a very considerable capital expenditure at 
Nelson. For 10,000,000 bushels development Churchill would not be cheaper than 
elson; but for twenty-five or thirty millions Nelson terminals wo,uld cost less than 
Churchill. The railway has an advantage of four millions and operating preference 
is all in favour of Nelson. 
This route is not adding to our congestion on the seaboard but is really giving 
us an addition to the spout from the western provinces, it is of real advantage to the 
west and relieves the transcontinental roads of a substantial amount of traffic during 
the season of congestion. A very moderate volume of traffic would pay operating 
expenses if the full existiug thro,ugh rate was equitahly divided between the railway 
and the steamships. 
Local traffic won't amount to very nmch along the road. The mines are unfortu- 
nately not immediately contigu6us to the line. I think copper ore might be shipped 
over the road. 
There is no reason why a vessel of a certain type cannot run as safely to Port 
Nelson as she can to l'Iontreal, duriug a certain season of the year, and during that 
particular time insurance rates shouhl be no higher thau to Montreal. I would say 
that curing the month of September navigation to Port :Nelson is as safe as to 
][ontreal. 
Our experience with regard to insurance was this, we put thirty-eight vessels 
through the straits during the season of 1914 and had no serious accidents of any 
kind. In 1913 the two vessels that were lost, their loss had nothing whatever to do 
with the ice or the merits or demerits of the harbour. One of them vas several miles 
out of her course; the other was deliberately run aground. 
I think August 1st would be a better date to consider as the opening of navigatiou, 
rather than July 10th as suggested by Captain Gordon and Commander Wakeham, 
closing not later than :November lst--how much later than that we do not know. A 
wireless station established on the northern shore of 2[ansell island to form a base 
for aviators who might fly over that western end of the strait, giving information as 
to the nature progress and location of the ice floes, would I think materially extend the 
length of the navigation season. Through the straits themselves there is no menace 
to navigation, whatever, other than the shoaling on the western end of Charles 
island. This is not a distinct shoal but shoal water. This menace would 
be wholly removed at the western end by the installation of an ordinary 
light together with a fog-signal. Apart from that, the strait is free from navigation 
difficulties. The feasibility of the route might well be determined by the operation, for 
a few years, of vessels by the Government. I think twelve vessels, six to be owned 
by the Government,--which might 'have five per cent extra expenditure for ice 
strengthening--and six ordinary tramp steamers to be chartered. This would form 
the basis of the experiment. A vessel working in ice is generally given a considerable 
dead rise so that the ice pinch will lift her up. We have operated ordinary tramp 
steamers during three nonths of the year. We think it can be continued with boats 
of a larger size, of the same type. A two million bushel elevator would be ample, the 
rest of the ain would .be stored in the interior of the country. I would not store iu 
large quantities at the bay. 
Twelve vessels would carry a traffic of about eight million bushels. These would 
be used only as an experiment to demonstrate the feasibility of the route. We could 
use one hundred vessels on the route, but that is a thing of the future. 
The Government vessels would make three trips in the year, that is why we would 
have them ice strengthened. From 7,500 to 8,500 tons would be the size of the vessels 
I would recommend, when speaking of deadweight capacity of vessels entirely. 



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SPECIAL COMMITTEE 

] am very strongly o[ tim oI,iniom and always have been, since-I surveyed tem 
both, that Churchill vas decidedly p-c2"crz.ble. 
I consider, and have always considered that the expense of making a harbour at 
the mouth of the :Nelson was prohibitive. 
I have absolutely no financial interest of any kind i Churchill or ih :Nelson. 
I think a basin suciently large to accommodate an enormous quantity of ships 
could be made at the mouth of the Churchill at very much less than it costs to build 
a harbour at :Nelson. I think that Churchill is by far the preferable harbour from any 
point of view. 
Ships have diiiculty in getting into the mouth of the elson. I have been 
stranded thirty miles off the mouth of the river in a little boat on the flats. 
Coming dowu on my last trip in just  little shallow boat we went aground out of 
sight of land. We had a crew of Eskimo who were supposed to know the river like 
a book and they undertook to take me in by the best channel they knew of, but we 
went aground about ten miles off the land and had to stay there until the tide lifted 
us off some ten hours later, and 'hen surveyiug tim harbour in the Arlette, we were 
anchored thirty miles off the mouth of the river and the whole district there is so 
shallow that terrific seas got up rapidly. Our anchors began to slip and we let our 
oil tanks run to prevent the sea breaking over us, and even with that we had to cut 
loose and go out to sea to avoid being cfirried on shore. That is the condition of things 
at the mouth of the :Nelson and I do uot thiuk these conditions can ever be entirely 
removed. 
We did not find that :Mr. :Bowden has said, the side shoals break the orce of 
the waves. We found it extremely roug'h in the shallow water. When we were out 
on board the Arlette Conmmnder :Bowden did not care to bring this ship into the 
narrow channel. For three hundred years the IIudson :Bay ships have been anchored 
out 'here we had. To this day they lighter their goods in little boats. I was there 
in 1905. 
At that thne the Iludson :Bay people were still loading and unloading their car- 
goes by means of lighters. The Hudson :Bay people make Churchill their main ship- 
ping point and distribute their good. from there to a great extent, because it is the 
natural harbour of the western coast. 
Churchill is a perfectly land-locked harbour. I believe the Hudson :Bay route 
for the transportation of western grain is perfectly feasible and very desirable. 
think Churchill ,harbour is open for five months in the year. Observations have been 
taken for over one hundred years, and from my observations I believe that the straits 
are navigable for five months in the year. I think that is all you could safely rely 
upon. In some years it would be more, because the year Captain Guy came there on 
the 5th June he did not see a pan of ice. I would not count on navigation in June, 
but I think you could safely rely on navigation during July, August, September, 
October and :November. There would be some new ice met with ix .November. That 
would bring it to the first of December. There would be new ice, of course, in the 
straits during the month of :November, but the new ice is only light and does not 
endanger navigation, although it might delay it. 
The land northeast of lake Winnipeg and down around Split lake is quite fit for 
settlement, and I observed not only in one place but in many places natural features 
of the country what geologists would call moraines, I think, immense gravel ridges 
constructed by the force of nature. They had much the appearance of great railroad 
embankments, principally they were constructed by the action of glaciers. I observed 
them particularly marked in the vicinity of Churchill. The sandy gravel part is such 
that it would not support timber. In many cases it was overgrown with timber. It 
would make ideal railway valleys. 
The current in the Churchill river cleans out the ice as soon as it breals up. It 
has no chance of remaining there. 



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