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TWENTY-FIFTH TALK          495

of the term: lt If you blow out a candle^ where is

the flame ? n But, in the same sense, where is the man
when he is bleAvn out ? That is precisely that way in
which I got over that question myself. When tiny
wanted to catechise me, as a Buddhist of the Southern
Church, they asked me if I believed tliat nothing
survived. I said : " Well, probably nothing that you
know as the man will survive." They said that was
quite different. But I said there is much more that
you do not know as the man, and that this survives.
They had nothing to do with that; I might believe
it if I liked. It wa? quite outside the exact wording
of the scriptures, so that did not matter. That is of
course the exact fact;—what you know now ns flu*
man, what you- call his intellect and Ins desires, all
the personal manifestation of him, will be u blown
out/' because they belong to the lower part of ins
nature, otherwise you could not see him ; hut the
higher part which is the real man—that is nnt blown
out.  So you see how the idea arises that Nirv.ina
means annihilation. *        ^

In the same way moksha means liberation. That
is quite right and yet it is not at all thr ,samr thing a^
Nirvana. I ought to warn you, I suppose, that flu1
Theosophical use of many of tlu'se terms would nut
be recognised as accurate by Profo.ssorh of SanisLut
at Oxford or Cambridge. They would dim; ,ib^"
lutely to the literal meaning of the word. Tlu' pn»p!r
who use these words as living tilings in their rdigiun