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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS 
IN THE UNITED STATES 

PART 2 



HEARINGS 

BEFORE THE 

COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES 
HOUSE OE REPRESENTATIYE8 

EIGHTY-NINTH CONGRESS 

FIRST SESSION 



OCTOBER 26-28, AND NOVEMBER 1-4 AND 9, 1965 
(INDEX IN SEPARATE VOLUME) 



Prdnted for the use of the 
Comniittee on Un-American Activities 

r;EPUSITED BYi-HE 
UNITED $TATES GOVERNMENT 




CONTENTS 



October 26, 1965: Testimony of— P^e« 

Marion W. MUlis 1962 

Afternoon session: 

Robert Lee Reaves 2005 

Charles Douglas Deese 2014 

Robert Eugene Hudgins 2018 

October 27, 1965: Testimony of— 

George Franklin Dorsett 2035 

Afternoon session: 

Charles Elwood Maddox 2061 

Ralph Powers 2078 

Arthur Robert Nix 2087 

Furman Dean Williams 2093 

October 28, 1965: Testimony of— 

Robert E. Scoggin 2101 

Afternoon session: 

Robert E. Scoggin (resumed) 2 132 

Calvin Fred Craig 2152 

November 1, 1965: Testimony of — 

Younger M. Newton 2169 

William Aaron Daniel, Sr 2 178 

George D. Sligh 2183 

James Douglas Newberry 2191 

Afternoon session: 

John Milton Parker 2199 

Grady Calvin Little, Sr 2207 

John L. Brock, Jr 2212 

William B. Crowe 2221 

William Allison Anderson 2226 

November 2, 1965: Testimony of — 

Leo Blackwell 2231 

Afternoon session: 

Allen Lee Bayne 2249 

Wesley Guy Bailey II 2257 

November 3, 1965: Testimony of — 

Howard William Smith 2270 

Afternoon session: 

Charles Malcolm Bartlett 2286 

Daniel Edward Bruce 2296 

November 4, 1965: Testimony of — 

Jimmy W. Wells 2305 

Walters. Parr 2313 

Robert Lewis Bing 2319 

November 9, 1965: Statement of — 

Hon. Edwin E. Willis 2329 

Index in separate volume. 

Ill 



Public Law 601, 79th Congress 

The legislation under which the House Committee on Un-Amer- 
ican Activities operates is Public Law 601, 79th Congress [1946] ; 60 
Stat. 812, which provides : 

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States 
of America in Congress assembled, * * * 

PART 2— RULES OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 

Rule X 

SEC. 121. STANDING COMMITTEES 
« * * « * * « 

17. Committee on Un-American Activities, to consist of nine Members. 

Rule XI 

POWERS AND DUTIES OF COMMITTEES 



(q) (1) Committee on Un-American Activities. 

(A) Un-American activities. 

(2) The Committee on Un-American Activities, as a whole or by subcom- 
mittee, is authorized to make from time to time investigations of (i) the extent, 
character, and objects of un-American propaganda activities in the United States, 
(ii) the diffusion within the United States of subversive and un-American propa- 
ganda that is instigated from foreign countries or of a domestic origin and at- 
tacks the principle of the form of government as guaranteed by our Constitution, 
and (iii) all other questions in relation thereto that would aid Congress in any 
necessary remedial legislation. 

The Committee on Un-American Activities shall report to the House (or to 
the Clerk of the House if the House is not in session) the results of any such 
investigation, together with such recommendations as it deems advisable. 

For the purpose of any such investigation, the Committee on Un-American 
Activities, or any subcommittee thereof, is authorized to sit and act at such 
times and places within the United States, whether or not the House is sitting, 
has reces.sed, or has adjourned, to hold such hearings, to require the attendance 
of such witnesses and the production of such books, papers, and documents, and 
to take such testimony, as it deems necessary. Subpenas may be issued under 
the signature of the chairman of the committee or any subcommittee, or by any 
member designated by any such chairman, and may be served by any person 
designated by any such chairman or member. 



Rule XII 

LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT BY STANDING COMMITTEES 

Sec. 136. To assist the Congre.ss in appraising the administration of the laws 
and in developing such amendments or related legislation as it may deem neces- 
sary, each standing committee of the Senate and the House of Representatives 
shall exercise continuous watchfulness of the execution by the administrative 
agencies concerned of any laws, the subject matter of which is within the juris- 
diction of such committee ; and, for that purpose, shall study all pertinent reports 
and data submitted to the Congress by the agencies in the executive branch of 
the Government. 

IV 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS IN 

THE UNITED STATES 

Part 2 



TUESDAY, OCTOBER 26, 1965 

United States House of Representatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 

Washington, D.G. 

PUBLIC hearings 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities 
met, pursuant to recess, at 10:15 a.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon 
House Office Building, Washington, D.C., Hon. Edwin E. Willis 
(chairman) presiding. 

(Subcommittee members: Representatives Edwin E. Willis, of 
Louisiana, chairman; Joe R. Pool, of Texas; Charles L. Weltner, of 
Georgia ; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio ; and John H. Buchanan, Jr., of 
Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Pool, 
Weltner, and Ashbrook. 

Committee member also present: Representative George F. Senner, 
Jr., of Arizona. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; William 
Hitz, general counsel; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel; Donald T. Appell, 
chief investigator ; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will come to order. 

The Chair wishes to make this statement : 

Yesterday, Mr. Robert Shelton held a press conference during which 
he made certain statements about the committee's chief investigator, 
Mr. Appell. I advised Mr. Appell that, personally, I would not dig- 
nify these statements with a reply. He, however, so resented the 
charges that he asked to be permitted to refute them under oath, and 
as a single member talking to him, I did not wish to deny him that 
without further reflection. 

The committee met this morning, reviewed the pertinent sections 
of Mr. Shelton's interrogation, expressed its confidence in the fairness 
Avith which Mr. Appell had interrogated Mr. Shelton, and decided that 
Mr. Shelton's statement was obviously designed to divert attention 
from the facts about his Klan organization developed by the commit- 
tee and that it should not be dignified by the taking of testimony in 
answer to it. 

An examination of the hearing record reveals, for example, that 
the charge that Mr. Appell tried to make it appear that Mr. Shelton's 
diamoncl ring had been paid for with Alabama Rescue Service funds 

1961 



1962 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

is completely false. Mr. Appell simply asked Mr. Shelton what cer- 
tain checks made payable to Lorch's Diamond Shop were for, and 
when Mr. Manuel was on the stand and introduced checks payable to 
Lorch's Diamond Shop in the sum of $469.92, he was asked by a mem- 
ber if he had any information on what these were in payment for, and 
whether they might be for Mr. Shelton's diamond ring. 

Mr. Manuel replied under oath "No, sir." 

Those are the exact words from the public record of the interroga- 
tion. The transcript of that interrogation is available in the com- 
mittee's office. Room 226, for any member of the press — or anyone 
else — to exaanine if they so desire. 

I will mention just one other statement made by Mr. Shelton. He 
claimed that on the evening of his appearance before the committee, he 
was in a dining room of the Congressional Hotel when Mr. Appell 
spoke to him, offered him "a half-hearted apology*' for the manner in 
M'hich he had been treated, and then said to him, ''We know that you 
are clean and have not been taking Klan money or failing to report 
your income." 

Mr. Appell has informed the committee that he has never made any 
such statement to Mr. Shelton, either in the dining room of the Con- 
gressional Hotel or anywhere else. 

The committee has complete confidence in Mr. AppelFs statement. 

As far as the other charges made by Mr. Shelton are concerned, I 
repeat that this interrogation is a matter of public record and that the 
record is available for inspection by anyone in the committee office. 
That record refutes his allegations. 

In my opening statement I pointed out that this was a legislative 
inquiry. If the Invisible Empires of the Klans did not try to keep 
their activities secret and their operations Avere generally known, 
there would be no need for this inquiry. Shelton was given a chance 
to answer many questions about the matters he raised yesterday and 
about the United Klans of America. He refused, invoking the fifth 
amendment. 

I have nothing further to say on this subject except that, in due 
time, Mr. Shelton will have another opiX)rtunity to explain, mider 
oath, these and other facets of his activities. 

Proceed, Mr. Appell. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call as the first witness 
Marion W. Millis. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
M-ill be the truth, the whole tmth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF MAEION W. MILLIS 

Mr. Appell. Would you state your full name for the record, please, 
sir? 

Mr. MiLLis. Marion W. Millis. 

Mr. Appell. "Wlien and where were you born, sir? 

Mr. Millis. I was bom November 26, 1915, in Wilmington, North 
Carolina. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 1963 

Mv. AiTELi.. Would you briefly outline for the committee your 
educat ional background '? 

The (^iiAiKMAN. Ask if he is represented by counsel. 

Mr. Appell. I am sorry. 

Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

The Chairman. Do you desire counsel ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

The Chairman. That is just for the record. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. "Would you state your educational background, please, 
sir? 

Mr. MiLLis. Tenth grade. 

Mr. Appell. Would you state your employment background? 

Mr. MiLLis. I have been in law enforcement almost 25 years. I 
served on the city police, Wilmington City Police Department, for 
almost 10. 

The Chairman. What town ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Wilmington, North Carolina. I came on the sheriff's 
deiDartment, and came back as deputy and then chief deputy. I ran 
for sheriff 7 years ago against nine opponents. I was electee! the first 
day. 

Mr. Appell. Are you currently sheriff ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. "Wliat is your jurisdiction as sheriff ? 

Mr. MiLLis. To maintain law and order in the county. 

Mr. Appell. The geographical. 

Mr. MiLLis. The chief officer of the county. 

Mr. Appell. The geographical boundaries of what county? 

Mr. MiLLis. New Hanover. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff Millis, there appeared in the Wihmngtoii Morn- 
ing Star of September 1, 1964, a statement issued by the North Caro- 
lina State Bureau of Investigation to the effect that New Hanover 
County is the home of one of North Carolina's most powerful Ku Klux 
Klan organizations. As sheriff of New Hanover County, what knowl- 
edge do you possess of the extent of Ku Klux Klan activities within 
your county ? 

Mr. MiLLis. At tliis time with reference to the membership, amount, 
and so forth ? 

(Document marked "Marion Millis Exhibit No. 1" appears on p. 
1964.) 

Mr. Appell. Pick it up at whatever time you desire, sir, in order 
to give the committee the benefit of your knowledge. 

Mr. Millis. A couple of years ago I heard rumors there was Klan 
meetings in various places in the city. I was unable to pinpoint any- 
thing. One day Mr. Joe Johnson, he is a deputy of mine, called me 
and said they were going to have a Klan meeting in the union hall on 
4th Street. He saicl he wanted to go and see what it was all about. 

I first told him I didn't think it would be ca good idea to go. He 
said, "Well, we may be able to get some inside information." 

I said, "Well, we will get a few of us and we will go up and see what 
we can find out. We w^ill look on." 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



Marion Millis Exhibit No. 1 
WILMINGTON MORNING STAR - 9/1/64 






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ne Of Strongest: 



By ARNOLD KIRK 
Staff ^Vriter 

New Hanover County is the 
home of one of No rth Caro lin:i's 
most povvcrfur^^u Klux Klan~t;-;- 
ganizatioiis, lhc~State-5nrEfau of 
Investirstion (S'BI) revealed 
Monda 

An S;.,i s^Njkcsman said the 
local Klr.n unit is the largest ia 
Southeastern North Carolina 
and amonjj the state's top four 
KhIK kiaverns. 

Resident Agent William S. 
Uunt Ije'ieves the New Hanover 
County klavern has a member- 
ship of more than 250, includ- 
ing honic members in nearby 
Brunswick County- It meets 
regularly, although surveillance, 
by slate and local law enforce- 
ment agencies has forced the 
Kian to periodically change its 
Eccting place. 

Unlike most other Klan units, 
the SBI agent revealed, the lo- 
cal unit boaiits of members 
from nearly all walks of the 
county's business and civic life. 
He said respected businessmen 
and professional people are re-, 
portcdly supporting the Klan.! 
financially and otherwise. ! 

Bat despite its many jnem-j 
bers who are considered as be- 1 
ir.g 'respected" in the con:mu- 
nlty, Hunt continued, the ma-, 
jority of those who claim mem- 
bership in the local Klan may 
be classified as "rabble-rousers 
and poorly-educated whites who 
have turned to the Klan in 
hopes of mnintaining some de- 
gree of authority over their 
darkcr¥fefh-rh."~"--55C,./^ 

The rebirth of the Ku Klux 
Klar. in New Hanover County 
began late last fall, the agent 
remarked, and has mushroom- 
ed only recently into one of, 
North Carolina's largest andj 
most influential kiaverns. Its 
early meetings were open to 
the public, but owing mainly to 
publicity adverse to the Klan's 
cause, newsmen and other 
spectators have been barred 
from the most recent meetings. 

For the past several months, 
the Klan has been, meeting each 



Thursday night in a small, 
ramshackle building Just off U. 
-S. Highv/ay 17 northeast of Wil- 
mingion. 

Topics of discussion of local 
Klan meetings, according to 
Hunt, touch on a wide variety 
of subjects ranging from na- 
tional politics to local issues. 
Sut the discussions always are 
cenicred around the Klan's tra- 
ditional topic — segregation 
and while supremacy, the agent 
said. 

So.me Klan meetings are In 
the form of "ladies night" af- 
fairs and outings that cater to 
the children of Klansmcn. Hunt 
said he has been informed that 
the local unit has developed to 
such an extent as to have a 
ladies' auxiliary or similar or- 
ganization composed of Klans- 
mcn's wives. 

As in most of the other 51 
North Carolina counties with 
active Klan organizations, Hunt; 
e.xpiained, the local unit has 
adopted a secondary name un-; 
der which it operates in mat- 
ters requiring a more civil ap- 
peal. In such ca.scs here, tho 
Klan is known as the New Han- 
over County Development As-, 
sociation," the agent revealed. 
Several members of the "as-' 
sociation" attended a July 20. 
meeting of the County School 
Board at which school desegre- 
gation was discussed. 

K 1 a n s m e n in Brunswick 
County have organized ur.der 
the name of "Supply Improve- 
ment Association," Hunt said, 
and ii-.c KK.K in rca>ior Coun-' 
ty prefers to be knovn as the 
"Pender County Improvement 
Association." 

Insofar as the law is con- 
cerned, the Ku Klux Klan is en- 
tirely legal. Regulations gov-, 
crning its operation, however, 
have deprived the Kkin of much 
of the freedom it once enjoyed 
through secrecy. 

.According to the SBI, Klans- 
mcn mubt not wear hoods over 
their faces, although they are 
allowed to wear robes. As an- 
other weapon against Klan ac- 



4b^^ La^ la 

tivilics, the law declares Uiat 
it is illegal to burn a cross, or 
even display a photograph of a 
burning cross, if such an act 
is intended to intimidate a per- 
son. 

.^though the Klan in N e w 
Hanover County has reached a 
high level of membership. Hunt 
continued, its activities have 
been all but nil. He said the 
SBI is "reasonably assured" 
the KKK was responsible for a 
cross burned earlier this sum- 
mer on the courthouse lawn, 
but it lacked sufficient evidence 
to assure conviction. 

Reports that some members 
of the local Klan carry fire- 
arms also have been added to 
the SBI's growing portfolio of 
the New Hanover County kla- 
veiTi. 

Klan activities here, as well 
as elsewhere Uvbughojt the 
state, are being closely watched 
by the SBI and local law en- 
forcement agencies. And al- 
though the local Klan has taken 
extraordinary precautions to 
keep the names of its mem- 
bers a secret, the SBI has what 
it believes is a "fairly accur- 
, ate" membership list. 

Persons who regularly attend 
KKK meetings would be • sub- 
ject to immediate examination 
should the Klan violate lite law 
in Now Hanover County, the 
SBI agent warned. 

The state agency, In addition 
to local officers, will be par- 
ticularly scrutinous of the Klan 
this fall when New Hanover 
County schools lower their ra- 
cial 'barriers. 

As for the future, the Ku I^ux 
Klan in New Hanover County 
is destined to one of two fates, 
in the opinion of the State 
Bureau of Investigation: 

"Klan activities will either 
die down as a result of the 
recent Civil Rights bill," Hunt 
predicted, "or it could mush- 
room into a more powei-ful or- 
ganization. We will just have 
to wait and s^e what will hap- 
pen." 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 1965 

We did. We got up there, and Mr. Bob Jones, he was in the union 
halh I would say tliere was between 50 and 60 people there in the 
union hall. 

Mr. Appell. May I interrupt you here, sir, and ask approximately 
when this was? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; I don't have the date. I could get the date 
back home, but I don't have it. 

Mr. Appell. Would this be 1963 ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I think so. 

Mr. Appell. This union hall to which you are referring, where was 
it located? 

Mr. MiLLis. Fourth and Castle Streets in Wilmington, North Caro- 
lina, on the corner, an upstairs room. 

(At this point Representative Buchanan entered the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Do you know what union had jurisdiction over this 
hall? 

Mr MiLLis. I think a carpenters' union is one, as far as I know. 

Mr. Appeli>. This was an AFL-CIO union ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir; I think so. They used the hall — different 
ones at different times. 

Mr. Appell. Will you describe to the committee the scene of this 
meeting at the time you and Mr. Johnson and, I think you said, one or 
two others 

Mr. Mtllis. I can give you the names of the deputies. I believe 
you talked to me yesterday. 

Mr. Joseph E. Johnson, Charles I). Goodwin — they were there. 
Mike McDonald. 

The Chairman. When you say "they were there," you mean they 
were there before you got there? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. If I might interrupt you. Sheriff Millis, the reporter 
Avill not be able to get these names as you read them unless you will 
pronounce them slowly and in some cases give us the spellings, sir. 

Mr. MiLLis. The first one is Joseph pj. Johnson. 

Mr. Appell. J-o-h-n-s-o-n ? 

Mr. Millis. J-o-s-e-p-h J-o-h-n-s-o-n. 

Charles, C-h-a-r-1-e-s D. G-o-o-d-Av-i-n. 

Mike McDonald. 

Shelby Russ. 

R. A. Jarrell. 

O.F. Waters. 

I don't think you had jSIike McDonald on your original list. You 
did have Mr. Blandon, but he was not there. You had Mr. Bridges, 
but he was not at the meeting. 

Mr. Appell. You mentioned that it was brought to your attention 
that there was going to be this Klan meeting at the union hall. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. And that you ought to go over and get some knowl- 
edge about it ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir; that is correct. 

Mr. Appell, At the time you arrived, was the meeting in progress? 

Mr, MiLLis. No, sir ; most of them were in the hall, but they hadn't 
opened up. 



1966 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. They hadn't started ? 

Mr. MiLLis. They hadn't started. 

Mr. Appell. Will you take it from there and describe what hap- 
pened that eve)iing as far as you observed ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. Mr. Jones had another man with him. I 
don't remember his name. I hadn't seen him before or since. Mr. 
Jones started talking about the Klan. He said it was the United Klan 
of America. He said it was a legal organization. He said it had no 
marks against it whatsoever. He said it was a new Klan and they 
didn't tolerate any violence. He had a charter there and showed the 
charter. 

The man that was with him went down to his car and got a robe, 
a green robe, and brought it back up. Mr. Jones showed it to the group 
and he ]Dut the robe on. Then the next person that had anything to 
say I believe v;as Colonel McClellan. 

Mr. Appell. Could you give us Colonel McClellan's full name ? 

Mr. MiLLis. It is Royce, R-o-y-c-e. 

Mr. Appell. Sp^ll his last name, please. 

Mr. MiLLis. I think it is M-c-C-1-e-l-l-a-n. 

Mr. Appell. Also being there was Colonel Royce McClellan. By 
this time, had the meeting started ? 

Mr. Mtllis. Yes, it had. Not the closed meeting. This was an open 
meeting. This part was completely open. He stood up and give his 
views on it, that he had checked into it and it was legal, the organiza- 
tion was, and as far as the charter was concerned, he thought it was 
in order. That is about all I recall him saying at that time. 

I think there were some questions asked by various people in the 
audience. Then Mr. Jones stood up and said, "If anybody is here that 
don't want to join the organization, if you want to join you are wel- 
come to, or you can leave." 

One man spoke for a group and said, "If we don't join now, can 
we join later?" And he said, "Yes, you can." So a group there, I 
would say maybe 20 or 25, something like that, were there, and we 
began to look at one another, the deputies and so forth, and we decided 
to stay and see what happened in the meeting. 

The door Avas closed, and this man with Mr. Jones stood by the door. 
Mr. Jones administered the oath. No deputies left. I was in there 
with these six deputies. 

Mr. Appeli.. You and the six dei)uties were still there when the 
oath was administered. 

Mr. Millis. We were still there when the oath was administered. 
Some of them began to talk and wanted to know if they couldn't call 
it something else other than the Klan. So they decided to call it the 
New Hanover Improvement Association. Tliat is Avhere that name 
first started from, right there. They agreed. They said, "Well, in 
order to elect officers, I believe we will have to have the charter under 
that, in order to elect our officers officially." 

It was just a tentative thing, just temporary', until they decided 
what to do. They asked me to be the treasurer, and I didn't say anj^- 
thing. I just told them I couldn't do it, that I just had to turn it down 
completely. A Mr. T. R. Watkins, they elected him as president of the 
organization. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 1967 

Mr. ArPELL. jMay I interrupt you there, sir, to ask Avhether it is Mr. 
Watkins senior or junior Avho was elected president? 

Mr. MiLLis. This was junior. 

Mr. Appell. Can you give advice as to who was elected as the 
treasurer? 

Mr. MiLLis. Mr. T. R. Watkins, Sr., the best I know. I wasn't there 
when he was elected, but I understood he did take the job as the 
treasurer. 

Mr. Appell. This charter that was displayed by Mr. Jones which 
was declared by Colonel McClellan to be a legal charter, was this a 
charter drawn in the name of the United Klans of America ? Did it 
have that on the charter? 

Mr. MiLLis. The best I recall, that was the words that w^as on it, 
'"United Klans of America.*' I believe they said "incorporated." I am 
not sure about that last. 

The CHAiRMAisr. A little louder. 

Mr. MiLLis.- 1 believe it said "United Klans of America, Inc.," but 
I am not sure about the "incorporated." It was mentioned, anyway. 

Mr. Appell. Did you happen to observe on this charter whether it 
had been executed to show that a charter had been issued to a group in 
New Hanover County, given some numerical designation ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir ; there was nothing pertaining to New Hanover 
Comity about it. That is when they give it the name New Hanover 
Improvement Association, and then they were going to have a charter 
drawn. 

Mr. Appell. Did you happen to note the number designation of the 
group, even though the name might not have been there? 

Mr. MiLLis. On the charter? 

Mr. Appell. Yes. 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; I don't recall that. There was quite a bit of 
reading. They read it at the meeting, but I don't recall it. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, I hand you a series of oaths. This is not in 
the same format that is used, but this was reprinted by us in order to 
have a quantity. I ask you to examine these and see if these are the 
series of oaths which were taken by the men that night. 

Mr. MiLLis. The best I can recall, it seems to be. I couldn't say 
about every word, but it is something of that order. 

(Document previously marked "Robert Shelton Exhibit No. 4.") 

The Chairman. It is substantially the oath? 

Mr. MiLLis. It appears to be. I have never read it before, but I 
heard the best I could when he was mentioning it. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, I would also ask you to look at pages 2 and 3. 

Mr. MiLLis. That sounds like it. 

Mr. Appell. Did you also look at page 3, sir? 

Mr. MiLLis. I believe that is it. It seems to be, the best I can recall. 
I believe that is as near as I can recall. 

Mr. Appell. This series of oaths that you believe, without being 
able to remember the verbatim contents of them, was the series of oaths 
which you subscribed to ? 

Mr. iVIiLLis. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. About how many others took it ? 

Mr. MiLLis. How many were in the room at that time ? 



1968 ACTR'ITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chairman. Yes. 

Mr. MiLLis. Approximately 35. 

Mr. Appell. I would like to ask you whether there remained in the 
room and also subscribed to this series of oaths the men from your 
department who you named were there, namely, Joe E. Johnson 

Mr. MiLLis. He was there ; yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Charles D. Goodwin 

Mr. MiLLis. That is right. 

Mr. Appell. Mike McDonald 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Shelby Russ 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. And R. A. Jarrell. 

Mr. MiLLis. That is correct. And O. F. Waters. 

Mr. Appell. O. F. Waters? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. In addition to Mr. Watkins, Jr., who became presi- 
dent, and Mr. Watkins, Sr., who became treasurer, what other men 
were elected to office within this Klan group which became known as 
the New Hanover County Improvement Association ? 

Mr. Millis. a man by the name of Skinner, I don't know his 
initials, I never have known his initials. He runs a barbecue place 
in New Hanover County, 

Mr, Appell, What is Mr. Skinner's 

Mr, MiLLis, He was the vice president, I think. He was the vice 
president, 

Mr, Appell, Are you familiar with the positions in Klan terms? 
The vice president is known as the klaliff. 

Mr. MiLLis. I have heard them, but I don't know just how they 
would come in order. 

Mr. Appell. Did you know him — Mr. Skinner — to later become the 
exalted cyclops of the unit, or the president ? 

Mr. Millis. Mr. Skinner? 

Mr. Appell. Yes. 

Mr, MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr, Appell. Can you recall others ? 

Mr, MiLLis, If you want me to, I can tell you what happened from 
this meeting on. 

Mr. Appell. Please do, in your own way. Sheriff. 

Mr. MiLLis. After this meeting was over, the next day one of the 
men was in the union hall, he was not in the meeting but on the outside, 
in a small office as you leave the door, and he came to me and said 
someone had notified the union that he had allowed the meeting to be 
held in the union hall, which is against their rules, and said he was 
about to lose his job. 

Mr. Appell. Was that Mr. Florio ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I don't know. There were two gentlemen there. One 
of them had glasses on. This was a large man, gray headed, with a 
little scar somewhere on his face. 

I asked him who rented the building and he said a painter. I believe 
this man he was talking about would be Raymond Chad wick. 

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Mr. MiLLis. Warren Chadwick came later. 

Mr. Appell. Raymond Chadwick ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Raymond Chadwick. 

Mr. Appell. Please continue. 

JVIr. MiLLis. It appeared then that they wouldn't be able to meet 
there any more, from my conversation with him. A couple of weeks 
later I heard they would meet at the Elberg Motel. They had a meet- 
ing hall there. They said Mr. Shelton would be there. In fact, we 
found out 2 days before that he was supposed to be there. 

I went out there and everybody Avas milling around the room. I 
stayed a period of time and I left. I seen Mr. Shelton there. I didn't 
meet him ; I didn't speak to him. What happened at that meeting, I 
don't know. I heard Mr. Watkins that night, and tliis was supposed to 
have been the second meeting, said he had sickness in his family and did 
not want to be in charge or the group ; that he would like to resign. 
That is the information that came to me. 

Then for some time, the information kept coming back to me that 
he was able to have a meeting, and the deputies would come to me and 
report to me what was going on. After then the best I can recall, was 
a man who worked at Sears, Roebuck Company. I don't think he kept 
it over a night, the best I can recall. Then there was Mr. C. R. AVil- 
liams. I understand he had it a night or two, just temporary. It 
wasn't a permanent thing. 

Mr. Appell. We are talking about the presidents succeeding Mr. 
Watkins, Jr. ? 

Mr. MiLLis. That is true. The next I understand was a Mr. 
Burnett. 

Mr. Appell. Is that B-u-r-n-e-y ? 

Mr. MiLLis. B-u-r-n-e-t-t. I don't know liis first name. I know 
the man when I see him. I think he was involved in some union 
activity. I heard he liad been. 

The next time I lieard anything about anyone taking over, it was 
Warren Chadwick. 

Mr. Appell. You mentioned earlier Raymond Chadwick. What is 
the relationship, if any ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Raymond Chadwick, I understand that he didn't want 
him in. At the second meeting they told him they didn't want him 
in the organization. 

Mr. Appell. But I asked you what is the relationship between Ray- 
mond Chadwick and Warren Chadwick. 

Mr. MiLLis. I don't think there is any that I know of. I don't 
tliink there is any. 

Going back to the first meeting, I understand Mr. Skinner didn't 
attend any more. That was the last meeting he went to. Then 
Warren Chadwick, I received information that he had become presi- 
dent. 

Mr. R. A. Jarrell, he was, that night, the first night, elected the 
chaplain. He came to me a few days later and said he would rather 
have somebody else to take his place, and just go ahead and leave us. 

The Chairman. A little louder, please. 

Mr. MiLLis. I said, "Well, eventually, that is what I want all of you 
to do, as soon as we find out everything we can; see that there is no 
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1970 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

I think Mr. Jarrell attended two or three meetings. I think he 
missed the first meeting and the next two I think he attended. 

I think not too long after then they had a rally. I believe it was 
just maybe a couple of months that they had a rally on the Market 
Street Road. That would be Highway 17 north of Wilmington, 
North Carolina. 

The highway patrol called me and I talked to them about it and 
discussed having men there, and we were concerned about the yards 
and driveways and so forth, that someone may be parking in. Some 
of the deputies went inside the grounds. The general public was in- 
vited, people from all walks of life being there. Some officials of the 
county were there just observing the meeting. 

I would say there was 1,500 to 2,000 people there in the cars. Some 
were in cars that didn't get out. Some men were over on the hill 
and you could see them who had on some robes. They did some 
talking. Mr. Shelton did some talking. After a while they began 
to play "The Old Rugged Cross'' and they came down and one man 
came forward and ignited it. 

The Chairman. Ignited the cross ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Ignited the cross; yes, sir. And they threw torches at 
the base of it. That was a public display. 

Mr. Appell. Did you attend this meeting ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir; I went to that meeting to observe, with the 
other officers that were present, including the highway patrol. 

Mr. Appell. I have two circulars, one announcing that there will be 
a public rally on May 2, 1964, 6 miles north of Wilmington, North 
Carolina, 6 miles north on U.S. 17. The second one, the rally of June 
12, 4 miles north of Wilmington in the Green Meadows section. 
Which of these are you referring to, sir ? 

Mr. MiLLis. The earliest one. 

Mr. Appell. May 2, 1964 ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

(Documents marked "Marion Millis Exhibits Nos. 2-A and 2-B," 
respectively, and retained in committee files.) 

Mr. MiLLis. Shall I proceed ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Millis. The meeting was over, and we worked traffic along with 
the highway patrol, and then Mr. Jones, I heard him on the loud- 
speaker, and he said he w^anted to thank the highway patrol for help- 
ing with the traffic. 

I called the officer that night on the desk to see if there had been 
any complaints and he said there had not been any. The next morn- 
ing I told the man to keep his ears open on the desk in case he got 
any kind of complaints, that I wanted to know it, and we received no 
complaints at all. 

After they had some kind of dispute about the Elberg Motel meet- 
ing, they rented it to another group, I believe it was; from my infor- 
mation on the inside, they rented it to another grouf) that the Klan 
wouldn't have a meeting there, so they dropped that location and went 
to Second Street in Wilmington between Market and Princess Street, 
right in the downtown section, upstairs in the hall. 

Civic organizations met up there, and I understand they gave the 
organization a night a week there, every Thursday night. Some of 



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these deputies, maybe two or three at a time, would attend the meet- 
ings. I think it was two meetings tliat was attended by deputies 
there on Second Street. 

They came back — one of them was an open meeting and one was a 
closed meeting — and they told me that they showed a film, a color 
film, on Communists. And one night they said the place was full of 
people; more women than there were men. The public was invited 
t hat night. 

I told them, I said, "Let me tell you, rumors are getting out that we 
are participating in this organization. We went in there for the 
purpose of trying to obtain information to see if it was a nonviolent 
organization. We haven't seen any. I think it is time to go ahead 
and notify them, all of you, and get your names off the lists." 

So they did. They all withdrew at that time. 

Mr. Appell. What time is this, sir? 

Mr. MiLLis. I don't remember the date. It may have been — it was 
right after the rally, the first rally. They went on Second Street 
and had a couple of meetings. It must have been about 3 weeks or 4 
weeks after this rally. 

The Chairman. In other words, they resigned? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. I told them I wanted them all to go ahead 
and take their names off of it and just leave it alone. We would just 
try to get the information the best way we can. 

Mr. Appell. I gather what you are saying is that you and your men 
joined for intelligence purposes. 

Mr. MiLLis. That was the reason to begin with. I think some of 
them did begin to kind of get enthused a little bit. That is why I 
told them to 

The Chairman. You are very frank. Sheriff. 

Mr. MiLLis. The rumors began to start and that is when I told them, 
"Now is the time to go ahead and forget about it and leave it alone," 
and they said, "We are told it is a nonviolent organization. It is a 
legal organization," and I said, "Yes, but I want you to forget about it. 
Get out of it and we will just have to observe it the best way we can." 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, the committee obtained from the secretary of 
state's office a charter for the New Hanover County Improvement 
Association, Inc., as distinguished from the official Klan charter that 
vou saw. This one is signed June f3, 1964, The officers are indicated 
as Warren Chadwick, James H. McLamb, and Carey Strickland. 

I show you this and ask you if you knew those three to be members 
of the Klan group known as the New Hanover County Improvement 
Association. 

(Document handed toAvitness.) 

]\Ir. MiLLis. The information I received from the deputy inside was 
that Mr. Chadwick was in charge of the New Hanover County Im- 
provement Association, which was the Klan miit. Mr. James McLamb, 
I didn't know him only by sight before, and heard that he was in the 
organization, but later had withdrew. And Carey Strickland, I don't 
know him. He is one I don't know, I thought I would. 

Mr, AVarren Chadwick I liave seen twice after I found out he had 
taken the position of president of the organization. He became an 
inspector with the health department. He came into the sheriff's 
office a couple of times. That is the two or three times I seen him, 

59-222 O— 67— pt. 2 2 



1972 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

(Document previously marked "Richard Const ant ineau Exhibit 
No. 2.") 

(At this point Mr. Pool left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff Millis, you are here this morning in accordance 
with a subpena served upon you by the staff of the committee; are 
you not? 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. This subpena, which contains an attachment made a 
part of the subpena, commanded you to bring with you and to produce 
before said committee : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliatetl 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, New Hanover Improvement 
Association, New Hanover Improvement League, Realm (state) of North Caro- 
lina, in your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available 
to you as member or oflScer of New Hanover Improvement Association, New 
Hanover Improvement League, Realm (state) of North Carolina, of the Invisible 
Empire. United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also 
known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

Did you bring any documents that would fall within this descrip- 
tion, sir? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir; I have never had any in my possession. 

Mr. Appell. Did you have in your possession reports made by 
yourself and your men w^hicli related to the New Hanover Improve- 
ment Association? 

Mr. Millis. The only thing we have had is we have had cross- 
burnings 

Mr. Appell. I would like to interrupt you, sir. I would assume 
from what you have told us that your men who were in the Klan for 
information purposes filed reports which are a part of your office on 
what transpired at each of these meetings that they attended in an 
undercover capacity. 

(At this point Mr. Pool returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; not written reports. They were oral reports 
only. 

Mr. Appell. Do you mean the files of your office contain no reports 
in a documented form on what went on at these meetings? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir; they didn't have anything in writing. The 
main thing was to observe and see if anything was fixing to happen as 
far as any disorder was concerned. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff Millis, according to the return on the back of 
this subpena, this subpena was served upon you at 11 o'clock a.m. on 
the 15th day of October 1965 by Mr. Raymond McConnon, a member 
of the investigative staff of this committee. 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. In the course of serving this subpena, did Mr. McCon- 
non discuss with you your affiliations with the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Millis. The only thing that was said, other than the piece about 
bringing the documents that I would have as a member, was I told him 
I didn't have any. There wasn't very much said. He didn't question 
me much about that part, as I recall. 

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Mr. AIiLLis. He asked me about Colonel McClellan, for one, and 
C. D. Goodwin, he asked meiaboiit him. 

Mr. Appfill. Mr. McConnon reports in a memorandum to the office : 
Subject, referring to yourself, denies any memberehip in the Ku Klux 
Klan, either past or present. He says that he has never made appli- 
cation for membership in the Klan, and claims no knowledge of any 
of his deputies, such as Woody Goodwin — and that is Charles D. Good- 
win, who is popularly known as "Woody" 

Mr. MiLLis. That is right. 

Mr. Appell. — or Rudy, who you described in the record as R. A. 
Jarrell, Rudolph Jarrell, having any connection with the Klan. 

Mr. MiLLis. I told him that I wasn't a member and I told him that 
none of the deputies was. That was the conversation that we had. 
He didn't go back to any beginning or anything like that ; that is, not 
that I recall. I don't recall him saying anything. I denied the mem- 
bership, and he said, "Well, I heard you are in it and some of the 
deputies," and I said, "No, sir; not members of it." 

Mr. Appell. Yesterday at noontime you were interviewed by Mr. 
Manuel on my right, and myself. 

Mr. MiLLis. That is right. 

Mr. Appell. You told us at that time that you could not understand 
why the subpena was served upon you ; that you had never been a mem- 
ber of the New Hanover County Improvement Association. 

Mr. MiLLis. The best I can remember is you asked me — well, I read 
this to you, I believe. You asked me about the records and I said "I 
am not a member." I don't know^ everything that was said. I w^as a 
little confused when you were asking me questions. 

One time you asked about the Klans and then the New Hanover 
Improvement Association, and back one way and then the other one. 
For one thing, of course, I didn't want to reveal what we had tried to 
do from the law enforcement standpoint in trying to obtain informa- 
tion wnthin the organization. Of course, this will do it. We will not be 
able to get any inside help, I am sure, after this. Anything done we 
will have to do the best we can from the outside. 

Mr. Appell. But I understood you to testify a moment or two ago 
that you ordered all your men to get out of the organization. 

Mr. MiLLis. We did ; yes, sir. I am talking about now. 

The Chairman. You did say that two became enthusiastic and I 
didn't press you. Do you want to enlarge on that ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I think one did in particular, and one did some. I think 
one really was enthusiastic about it, 

Mr. Appell. When did you issue the orders for your men to get out 
of the Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. That was after they had attended about two meetings 
on Second Street. One was a closed meeting and one was an open 
meeting. 

Mr. Appell. This was prior 

Mr. MiLLis. That was sometime, maybe 3 or 4 weeks or so, after this 
first rally. 

Mr. Appell. The May 2nd rally ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Did they all get out ? 



1974 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Which ones stayed in ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I can relate the Avhole thing so you get a clear picture. 

I thought that was clear all the way. Then it came out in the 
Charlotte Ohserver that some of the members of the sheriff's depart- 
ment of New Hanover County was members or even sympathizers. 
When that came out, a local news reporter came around to talk to me. 
He didn't write anything. He just asked me some questions. 

He Avanted to know — he didn't ask about myself; he asked me about 
the deputies. He wanted to know if any of them were members, and 
I said, "Not to my knowledge." He said, "Well, if a man was — if you 
found a man was in the organization, would you fire him, discharge 
him V I told him, "We would have to look into it more, because there 
is civil rights and it may protect him. I don't know if it is a legal 
organization." 

He went back and wrote a story and I read it, and said that I said 
that I never did have any deputies in the Ivlan or no other subversive 
organization. I didn't use the word "subversive." We hadn't been 
on subversive. 

Further down it said he asked me the question would I fire a man 
if I found out that he was in the Klan, and he quoted me as saying 
that it may be discrimination in reverse. I didn't use that statement 
at all. 

He came around the sheriff's office and interviewed some other people 
and I asked why did he write it, and he admitted then I didn't make 
that remark. Every newspaper article since then about that statement 
lias been repeated from this same column, 

Mr. Appell. The question I asked you, sir, is the identity of your 
men who did not get out of the Klan when you ordered them to get out. 

Mr. MiLLis. I wanted to get down to it, after this piece came out 
of the paper. I thought all of them had. Then Mr. Jarrell, a deputy 
sheriff, came in the office and said, "Sheriff, do you know anything 
about Charles Goodwin being elected to the State office?" 1 said 
"No. I thought all that was over." He said, "Well, apparently not, 
because I heard that they had elected him to the State office." 

The Chairman. In the Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. In the Klan. 

The Chairman. Do you remember that office? 

Mr. MiLLis. I heard the word "organizer." I called Mr. Goodwin 
in and talked to him and he said he was in a meeting and they wanted 
to give him a State position, but that he didn't want it. I said, "Have 
you participated in the office at all?" and he told me he hadn't, the 
best I can recall. 

I said, "Woody, I don't want you to go to any more meetings at all. 
I want you to leave it alone. That Avas my orders some time ago. I 
want you to get completely out of it." 

I believe that was the last of any that I can recall. 

Mr. Appell. Now if we can fix this as to date 

Mr. MiLLis. The Charlotte Observer came out with that piece, and 
I thmk you have it there, and then the reporter talked to me. He 
made a piece for the paper. This was about 2 weeks later, 2 or 3 
weeks, maybe more. I don't recall. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 1975 

The Chairman. Two or three weeks after? 

Mr, MiLLis. It could have been. I wouldn't say. 

The Chairman. We don't expect you to know the exact dates, but 
relative to the paper. 

Mr. MiLLis. After I found out he was still in it and everybody else 
had left, after the piece came out in the paper, some time after is 
when Mr. Jarrell came in and reported to me that he was still in the 
organization, and I called him in, 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff Millis, did you, and Avho I understand to be 
your chief deputy, Jarrell, ever approach anyone to join the Klan for 
the purpose of organizing the Klan in Brunswick County? 

Mr, Millis, No, sir, I know what this is about, Mr, Charley 
Skipper was the deputy sheriff in Brunswick County, a little short 
fellow who always carries a snub camera in his car wherever he goes 
when he is working on a case. He had a right good knowledge about 
the boys he was having trouble with. We had a new deputy and we 
couldn't get any information because he didn't seem to know too much 
information about the people over there we were having trouble with. 

So we talked to Mr. Skipper one day about these boys as he might 
have had trouble with them before. At the first meeting a group 
came from Brunswick County that was already in the act of organiz- 
ing, to my understanding. They was in a meeting and were supposed 
to have went along with the unit in New Hanover County for 
a period of time. Then after everybody was out, and we didn't have 
the inside information we wanted, the chief deputy asked Mr. Skip- 
per had they organized in Brunswick, because we had heard that this 
group had went back to Brunswick County and orgriliized a unit. 

He said, "No, but I wish they would." He made a remark that he 
had been down to a place before called Higman's Crossroads and 
talked to some people down there about organizing. He said the 
people down there were Klan-minded and he was going back again. 

Later on, some time later, they had a rally in Brunswick County 
and I understand the sheriff was highly disturbed about it. Charley 
still hadn't gone back to work with the sheriff after the falling out 
they had. Then he found out how the sheriff' felt about the Klan, 
and that is when he, I understand, told the sheriff over there that 
we had approached him on this, but he had not been approached at 
all, not in that fashion, but only to ask had they organized, because 
we was checking to see if the group from New Hanover County had 
gone back to Brunswick County. 

Mr. Appell. Deputy Sheriff Skipper, to whom you are referring, 
advised us that he was first approached by you and your chief deputy, 
Jarrell, when he was employed with the Smith-Douglas Fertilizer 
Company in the course of a social visit that he paid on your office 
some time prior to him ever becoming a deputy sheriff. 

Mr. Millis. No, sir ; I did not approach him on it, 

Mr. Appell. He advised us that after he became a deputy sheriff, 
that you again approached him. 

Mr. Millis. No, sir. The question was had they organized, had 
anyone heard anything about an organization in Brunswick County. 

ikr. Appell. Sheriff, you have told us that following this May 1964 
rally, that you ordered your men to resign. When did you resign? 



1976 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. MiLLis. At the first meeting on Fourth Street, and then part of 
the other meeting at the Elberg and that was the end of it right there. 

Mr. Appell. Did you give them a formal resignation or how did 
you consummate your resignation ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Not until I told the deputies to get eyerythmg off of 
the books, and to tell them that we could not mess with it, we had to 
leave it alone. That is when all of them was ordered out of the 
organization. 

Mr. Appell. I didn't understand what you said when you said you 
ordered your deputies to get everything off of the books. 

Mr. MiLLis. To get the names off the books and resign and just 
completely out of it and don't take any part in it. 

The Chairman. Do you mean off the books of the Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Off the books of the Klan. 

Mr. Appell. Do you mean to remove any evidence from these books 
that you and your deputies had ever been members? 

Mr. MiLLis. Well, I don't know just what kind of records they have. 
I suppose they have all kinds of records, I suppose. 

Mr. Appell. But were you attempting, by that order, to get any 
proof of formal membership removed from the books ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; no, sir. It wasn't that idea. It was in order 
to get out of the outfit completely. That was the intention, and I 
thought we had until this question came up about C. D. Goodwin. 

Mr. Appell. As a result of the membership of yourself and your 
deputies, whom else did you determine to be members of the New Han- 
over County Improvement Association which you have described as 
being the cover name for the Klan in the Wilmington area ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Who else that had become members ? 

Mr. Appell. Whom else did you know as members ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Let's see now. I named C. L. Williams. Mr. Watkins 
had a man with him, but I don't know his name. I didn't get his 
name. 

Mr. Appell. How about A. B. Riggs ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir ; I had information that he belonged to it. 

Mr. Appell. How about Charles Brickhouse ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir ; I don't know him. 

Mr. Appell. How about Mr. Const ant ineau, who was a witness here 
yesterday ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I met him going out of the hall. He recognized me 
and spoke to me, but it is the first, time I remember seeing him. I 
understand he had been a member. 

Mr. Appell. Did your deputy sheriff, Frank Watei"s, to your knowl- 
edge, ever become secretary of the unit ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. For a short. 2)eriod of time he was, to my 
understanding. 

Mr. Appell. Did your deputy, Frank Waters, use the facilities of 
your office for the purpose of collecting Klan dues? 

Mr. MiLLis. Not to my knowledge, except one time a fellow came 
in there and Avas asking about it and I told him to get out of the 
sheriff's office. ^V man brought him in there. That is the only time 
I recall anything about it. 

Mr. Appell. Our investigation establishes that Frank Watei-s, dur- 
ing the period of time that he was secretary, maintained the Klan 



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books in the sheriff's safe and that he was obsei-ved on several occa- 
sions with this box described as a little gray box at the sheriff's coimter 
and that he was discussing with people other than members of your 
department tliat which related to the cards contained in his box. 

Mr. MiLLis. He may have. I wouldn't deny that because I don't 
know. He may have. I asked the chief deputy one time w^as he doing 
anything — I heard it during that time — and Jarrell said, "I'm afraid 
he is," and I said "Rudolph, if he is, I want him to go ahead and quit it 
and stop it right now." 

This man Raymond Chadwick was there at the coimter, and I 
walked in and seen him there and I heard him say sometliing about 
the organization. I called Joe Johnson, and said, "Joe, let me tell 
you, I am not gouig to have that going on in the sheriff's office. Just 
go ahead and tell Chadwick to get out of here. You know him. Tell 
him what the score is. We are not going to have him in the sheriff's 
office." 

Mr. Appell. You have mentioned Warren Chadwick on several 
occasions as being the leader of the Klavem or tlie exalted cyclops. 
I show you a photograph and ask you if the first hooded or robed man 
that you see on the left is Warren Chadwick, to whom you are 
referring. 

(Photograph handed to witness.) 

Mr. MiLLis. I am pretty sure that is him. 

Mr. Appell. Do you happen to knoAv who the red- robed man is? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; I don't. I can't tell. 

Mr. Appell. The gentleman in the suit, Mr. Chairman, is a re- 
porter for the Charlotte Neios and [Charlotte] Ohserver. 

(Photograph marked "Marion Millis Exhibit No. 3" appears on 
p. 1978.) 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff' Millis, the description of your office by the 
Charlotte News and Observer was that approximately half of your 20- 
man force were either members of the Klan or Klan sympathizers. 
How factual is that, sir. 

Mr. Millis. I would say according to this about four must have 
been. 

Mr. Appell. Sir? 

Mr. Millis. There must have been about four at that time. 

Mr. Appell, About one-quarter rather than a half? 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. What investigation have you made to determine 
whether or not the other members of your staff whose names I read 
to you yesterday during the intei-view were or were not at one time 
members of the Klan? 

Mr. Millis. Mr. Blandon, I am pretty sure he has never been. I 
think somebody got something wrong there because I don't think 
he has ever been. I think Mr. Bridges later did for a short period 
of time. That is H. M. Bridges. 

Mr. Appell. H. M. Bridges? 

Mr. Millis. H. M. Bridges. 

Mr. Appell. Did he attend as an ideological member of the Klan, 
or does he fall in this category that you described as undercover 
people ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir; he went in — I think he wanted to get in was 
the reason he went in. 



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Marion Millis Exhibit No. 3 




Photograph of United Klans of America parade in Salisbury. N.C.. Aug. 8, 1964. Kl 
man ( 1 ) facing camera identified as Warren Chadwick of Wrightsville Beach, N. 



Klans- 



Mr. Appell. What is your best understanding as to when he got 
in? 

Mr. Millis. The best I can recall, from the information I received, 
is it may have been maybe 3 weeks after the first meeting. 

Mr. Appell. How about your night chief deputy Whitman? 

Mr. Millis. I don't recall. He may have been, but I don't recall 
him being one of the group. He may have. Right after then he had 
a heart attack and he was in a hospital for a number of months. If 
he was up there, he never went any more because he did have a heart 
attack. He may have ; I am not denying that. 

Mr. Appell. In discussing the charter of the NeAv Hanover County 
Impro\ement Association, the names that were on there, you spoke of 
Warren Chadwick and you spoke of James McLamb. You did not 
discuss Carey Strickland. 

Mr. Millis. It is just like it is being in public office. You see a 
lot of people that may know you, and I may know him if I see him, 
but I can't recall him. 

Mr. Appell, He is a barber in Wilmington. 



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Mr. MiLLis. I don't know him. 

Mr. ArPELL. How about as a leader of that Klavern a man by the 
name of Biddle ? 

Mr. MiLLis. There is a "Red" Biddle, I think, that is connected with 
it. They call him "Red" Biddle. I can't recall his initials. 

Mr. Appell. He is popularly referred to as "Red" Biddle? 

Mr. MiLLis. As "Red^' Biddle. 

Mr, Appell. You do not know what his true name is ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I do not know. I know it is "Red" Biddle. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, I discussed with you yesterday during the in- 
terview as to whether or not there was being mailed to members of 
your department, or one member of your department, the official Klan 
newspaper, the Fiery Cross. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir; you did. 

Mr. Appell. As I recall, you did not think that this happened, but 
that you handed out the possibility that it might have been, because 
a lot of things are mailed to your department. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir ; we do get stuff maybe every week or so. One 
period of tinie it come in right regularly. Somebody mailed me a 
paper one time called the Thunderbolt. I think that was the name 
of it. 

Mr. Appell. Did the publication of the Fiery Cross come to your 
deputies or come to yourself because of your membership in the Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I never got a copy of the Fiery Cross. I understand 
that there was one there in the office. Who it was mailed to, I don't 
know. 

Mr. Appell. Our infonnation is that it was mailed to your chief 
deputy, Rudolph Jarrell. 

Mr. MiLLis. It may have been. I don't know if you have to sub- 
scribe for them or if you just get them as a member. I don't know. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, it was also our information that the original 
rent on the labor hall and the original negotiations were made by you. 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; that is not true. The hall was rented and we 
had the infonnation it was there. We went up there and it was opened 
by someone else. I understand this fellow Raymond Chadwick may 
have been one that rented the hall. Somebody gave him $10 when 
they got ready to leave and they went over to tell the man what orga- 
nization it was. Somebody else had to tell them. Somebody asked 
me if I had change for $10 and I gave them two fives. 

Mr. Appell. If you joined that organization, are you saying you did 
not pay and the other men there did not pay the initiation fee? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir ; they did. 

Mr. Appell. Of $10? 

Mr. MiLLis. That is right. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearmg room.) 

Mr. Appell. Did you or your men buy robes ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Not that I know of. Goodwin did, I am pretty sure. 
I miderstand he did. 

Mr. Appell. But you did not ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir? 

Mr. Appell. And did you give them a sum of money which was to 
be your monthly dues ? 



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Mr. MiLLis. $2 was paid with the initiation fee. 

Mr. Appell. So you gave them a total of $12 ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. AsHBROOK. A total of what? 

Mr. Appell. $12. 

Sheriff Millis, there was a Klan rally on July 11, 1964, at Supply, 
North Carolina. Tliis, I understand, is outside of your jurisdiction, 

Mr. MiLLis. It is in the neighboring comity, the adjoming county. 

Mr. Appell. Present at that meeting in civilian clothes was your 
deputy, Charles "Woody" Goodwin. I will ask you: Was he there? 

Mr. Millis. I had information that he did go to the meeting. I 
believe it was on Saturday night. That Monday morning I called 
him in and asked him had he been over there, and he said yes, he had, 
and he admitted that he had drove over there with his wife in his 
car. He admitted it. I said, "It is best to stay away from it. It 
is not in our county." 

Mr. Appell. At that rally, this principal speaker, I assume he was 
the principal speaker, was the Imperial Wizard, Mr. Shelton. 

Mr. Millis. I don't know who it was. 

Mr. Appell. It is the committee's investigative information that 
at that rally Mr. Shelton waved in the air for the audience to see a 
copy of a check payable to David W. Jones of 607 Nun Street, Wil- 
mington, North Carolina. It is the committee's information that 
Jones had been arrested in Wilmington in 1963. 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir ; he was arrested by the city police. 

Mr. Appell. And because they have no jail, he was turned over to 
your jail. 

Mr. Millis. Yes. 

Mr. Appell. In his possession was a check in the amount of $339.85 
which would have come into your custody as the custodian of the 
prisoner. I would like to ask you how Imperial Wizard Shelton 
got a copy of that check in order to display. I hand you a €opy of 
the check. 

Mr. Mnxis. I don't know how he got a copy of it. From what I 
understand, a man brought one to the office and someone had gave 
him one on the street. It was a copy of it. 

(Document marked "Marion Millis Exhibit No. 4" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. AsHBRooK. Speak up, please. 

Mr. Millis. The first I heard of it a man brought me one into the 
sheriff's office and said a man on the street gave him one. But I don't 
know how Shelton got it in his possession. 

Mr. Appell. Your deputy. Woody Goodwin, was at that rally. 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir ; he was. 

Mr. Appell. Do you mean to tell me that he didn't come back and 
report to you "Sheriff, my God, Shelton had one of our checks which 
we took from a prisoner" ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir ; he didn't say anything about it. 

Mr. Appell. And you never knew that Shelton had a copy of that 
check or used it at that rally ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir; I didn't know he had a copy of it. I didn't 
know he had a copy of it and I did not know he used it at that rally. 



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Mr. ArPELL. Until I had advised you of the fact that this did hap- 
pen, you had no knowledge that Shelton or the Klan had a copy of 
this check ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir ; I did not know they had a copy of it. 

Mr. Appell. Will you, Sheriif, attempt to make an investigation 
to determine how this check was obtained from someone in your de- 
partment who had this man in custody ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir ; I will do that. 

Mr. Appell. And after you do this, will you make a report of it to 
the committee? 

Mr. MiLLis. I will do that. I certainly will. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff 

Mr. ]\liLLis. Or as a law enforcement officer, anything else you want, 
I will look into it and see what we can find out. If your men M'ant to 
come down, we will do anjihing we can do as law^ enforcement officers. 

Mr. Appell. Thank you. 

Sheriff, there were a series of crosses burned within your geographi- 
cal boundaries of New Hanover County ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. What investigation did your department make to deter- 
mine who set off these crosses ? 

Mr. MiLLis. The one that apparently was attributed to the Klan — 
the courthouse is in two different buildings and the one the sheriff's 
office is in faces Third Street ; it's right on the Third Street side — no, I 
will correct that. We face Princess Street, near Fourth. The other 
side is near Third Street. It is dark on that side, very dark. I under- 
stand that some of the deputies was coming down the Third Street hill 
in the car and seen this fire and they drove up and seen it to be a cross. 
They immediately called the Wilmington Police Department. It was 
on the city streets and they called them. So a man came there and 
said four men had gotten out of a Cadillac, put it on the sidewalk, set 
it on fire, and took off. They didn't get any description of the people 
or the license number of the Cadillac. 

I called the deputies in and told them I wanted them to work with the 
city police, and any information they could get on it to let them know. 
I was very concerned because the sheriff's department was the only 
office open at that time of night, everything else was closed. I didn't 
know if it was thrown at me or what the situation would have been. 

The next day I did read in the paper that Mr. Bob Jones said some- 
thing about a number of crosses had been burned over the State simul- 
taneously that night in order to show, I believe, the Klan strength. 

Mr. Appell. This was May 28, 1965, which I understand was a day 
or two before some primary. 

Mr. MiLLis. That is right. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, the puzzling thing to the investigation is that 
a part of the sidewalk had to be torn up, or it was torn up, in order to 
force this cross 

The Chairman. In order to what ? 

Mr. Appell. A portion of the sidewalk was torn up in order to stand 
erect this cross which was burned which, according to our investigation, 
was 6 feet tall with an 18-inch arm on it, wrapped in burlap. This 



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takes considerable time. It seems to me that these people felt pretty 
safe and confident. 

Mr. MiLLis. Well, there is police on the street. They Avalk beats 
downtown. Of course, we only have one man in the sheriff's office. 
He is back of the counter by himself, where the radio is. He don't 
get out to observe and get around. This was property damage when 
they damaged the sideAvalk. It was a violation of the law to damage 
city property. The police was concerned about it. 

Mr. Appell. Describe for us the other crosses that were set off in 
your county. 

Mr, MiLLis. Some of the other crosses — some of them was just sticks, 
tossed together, with kerosene, some had paper and some had rags. 
We had another one with just small sticks with burlap. We had two 
some months ago, and one in New Hanover County. 

Wlien I found out about it, I called my deputy, Mr. Wolf, and I 
said, "Take this report, go around to Wrightsville Beach, to the chief, 
compare your crosses and see if there is a comparison of the two." They 
didn't seem to think so after they compared the crosses, that they had 
any similarity. 

Mr. Appell, Do you have any leads which enable you to pursue an 
investigation looking forward to bringing about a conviction under 
North Carolina law ? 

Mr. MiLLis. We haven't been able to obtain the evidence. We have 
this on record, this report made in our office, of crosses burned near 
Pine Hill Drive on a girl's front lawn. I understand she had been to 
Chapel Hill, North Carolina, on some demonstrations with some 
colored people. The deputies went out and made an investigation and 
talked with them. At that time she said she didn't believe it was the 
Klan. She mentioned her husband's name and she said, "We believe 
he would know." Evidently he had some kind of connection or maybe 
knew somebody who might have been in it. 

Mr. Appell. If I may interrupt, what you are telling us is someone 
who might have been in the Klan. 

Mr. MiLLis. The girl's father, her daddy, her mother said, "We be- 
lieve we will be able to find out through somebody he may know," which 
she insinuated may be in the Klan. 

Mr. Appell. But the father is in the Klan ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir; he is not in the Klan, but the father may know 
someone who had some connection with the Klan, who maybe can tell 
you, is the way she insinuated, from the words she spoke. 

I came in that morning and read the report and I told two of the 
deputies to go back out to the house and talk to her, to scout around 
to all the neighbors and see if they heard or seen anything. The grass 
was burned there. 

Then at that time she asked the deputies if they wouldn't investigate 
the Klan, to see if it possibly would have been. This was her second 
version, to see if it could have been the Klan. So she must have had a 
different thought on that . The neighbors, they talked to the neighbors, 
and also one man Avho was sitting in a car, I believe now, and they 
claimed they didn't see anything. 

Mr. Appell. But there is no doubt that the cross was burned ? 

Mr. MiLLis. There was a cross burned ; yes, sir. 



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Mr. ArrELL. But, as in the other cases, there has been no evidence or 
leads obtained by your department that might lead to a conviction 
mider North Carolina law? 

Mr. MiLLJs. No, sir ; not enough to be able to go on. 

Mr. ArPHX. This David Jones whose check I exhibited to you was 
a prisoner in your jail ; he was beaten while he was a prisoner in your 
jail by other prisoners, was he not? 

Mrl MiLLis. I would like to be able to tell you everything that I pos- 
sibly know aljout it. 

Mr. Appelx,. Yes, sir. 

Mr. MiLLis. He was put in that afternoon, late, into the jail, arrested 
by the city police, and the next day, the next morning, he went to court 
and was released in court. That afternoon, about 5 o'clock, Mr. Gero- 
vay, a colored news editor, called me and told me that Reverend Jones 
was in his office and said that he was beaten in jail. I said, "Well, send 
him down and we will make an investigation and get to the rock bottom 
of it." He did. He sent him down to the office. I talked with him. 
I called Mr. Johnson down, Mr. Joe Johnson. 

Before Mr. Johnson came down, though, the preacher said the pris- 
oner told him that Mr. Johnson or somebody like that told him, and 
he was with a demonstration, something about maybe beating him, or 
something to that effect. 

Mr. Appell. You mean you understood that Mr. Johnson 

Mr. MiLLis. No, the preacher had. He said. "I understood from 
some of the prisoners that they said Mr. Johnson told them to beat 
him up."' 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Johnson, your deputy, is the jailer ? 

Mr. MiLLis. He is the jailer. So I called Mr. Johnson down and we 
talked with him and he said he did not tell them any such thing. He 
did not tell them to beat them up. I told Mr. Johnson, "I am going 
to get to the bottom of it."' I called the jail and I said, "Wlio has been 
released from jail this morning other than some of the demonstratore 
and Mr. Jones?" And they said, "Nobody. Everybody we had this 
morning is in jail now." 

I said, "Well, go ahead and make a lineup. We are going to find out 
who beat this man." There was two places, just alike, right in there 
[indicating], right about the end of your finger right there [indi- 
cating]. Then I put the phone down and he said, "I would rather 
not do that." I said. "It is a thing we are going to have to do," and 
he said, "Well, I don't want to go any further with it. We are going 
to drop it right where it is." 

I said, "Mr. Jones, if we start dropping it where it is at, every time 
we find out somebody has been beaten in jail ; if we tolerate it one time, 
we will have it other times." He said, "I don't want to go up there 
and I don't want to put anybody on the spot. Just forget about it." 

Mr. Appell. This is Mr. Jones. 

Mr. INiiLLis. Mr. Jones himself. I said, "Well, you can certainly 
identify the man. That is all in the world you have to do." We 
stayed there and talked some time trying to persuade him to go up into 
the lineup and he wouldn't do it. 

The Chaikmax. A little louder, Sheriff. 

Mr. MiLLis. We tried to persuade him to go upstairs and observe the 
lineup so he could pick his man out and he wouldn't do it. We tried 



1984 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

for some time. I wanted to clear it up because I was afraid some- 
thing would come of it. 

You know how publicity will happen. I thought the best way in 
the world was to get to the bottom of it, as we have on other occa- 
sions. Sometimes they will refuse to sign a warrant. I don't know 
how legal it would be, but we went ahead and got one anyway. We 
would go ahead and make the arrest and take them into court. 

Mr. Appell. Did your investigation determine that Mr. Jones had 
not been beaten ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I wouldn't say he hadn't been beaten, I don't know. 
But other than him backing out on us — the only thing we could do then 
was all we had was prisoners. 

We asked him if he reported to the jailer when he went over to the 
court, when he was released from jail, and he said he did not. I asked 
him if he said anything to the judge about it in court, and he said he 
didn't. 

I talked to the jailer on duty that morning and asked him did he 
see any black places on his nose, and he said no, he didn't observe any. 
I talked to the judge and he said he didn't see any marks. 

A news reporter was there, Mr. Bill Snyder, and he said he talked 
with him and there was no sign of any marks on him. He left and the 
next thing we heard was we got a call from this colored newspaper. 

Later on, Mr. Jones had a group around the courthouse and they 
were singing and making a noise and the court had to stop. The judge 
ordered the demonstrators up into the courtroom and he began to talk 
to them about disturbing the court, and he made a remark that the 
NAACP Avas worse than the Ku Klux Klan, and said he had no use 
for either. 

Then he told Mr. Jones, "You are responsible for most of this, lead- 
ing these people like this, coming down disturbing the court." So 
Mr. Jones beat his hand on the bench and then shook his finger in the 
judge's face and told him, "You know that is not true." The judge 
cited him for contempt of court, for 30 days. We had to take him 
to jail under the direction of the judge. 

I told them to put him in a cell by himself, and not ])ut him with the 
others because if something did happen before, I certainly didn't want 
it to happen the second time. 

"\Ylien he got ready to be released from the jail, when he was almost 
ready to leave the jail, Mr. R. A. Jarrell went up to him and asked 
him how had he been treated in tlie 30 days, and he said, "I couldn't be 
treated any nicer.'' Mr. Jarrell said, "Will you sign a statement to 
that effect?" And he said, "Yes, I will." He told them what to type 
and he said, "Bring it back and T will sign it." They typed a short 
statement and he signed it. I have that statement in my pocket now. 

During the time he was there, he had one of those pictures of num- 
bers that you buy from a bookstore, that you paint by the numbers, 
telling you what color to use. He painted a picture of the Good 
Shepherd and gave it to Mr. Rooney, one of the jailers. Everything 
went on just as fine as anything in the world for 30 days. I kept the 
statement. If you want the statement that he signed, I will give it to 
you. 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir; we would like to have it. 



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(Document liaiuled to committee.) 

(Document marked "Marion Millis Exhibit No. 5" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Millis. I have some statements here 

The CiiADoiAx. I can't hear you, sir. 

Mr. Millis. Relating back to the first time that he said he was hit 
in the jail, he refused to go up to the lineup. I went upstairs and ques- 
tioned each one of the prisoners and all of them stated that nothing 
happened in the jail. They were there at the time Mr. Jones came 
in and when he went out. Of course, I have them here, if you care 
to have them. 

Mr. Appell. "Would you file them with the committee? 

(Documents handed to committee.) 

(Documents marked "Marion Millis Exhibit No. 6" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Millis. Relating to the jail, the condition of it, we have always 
gotten it inspected. We have a report from the Federal inspector. 
Since I became sheriff the improvements have been such that they 
made it a full-time Federal jail. They were well satisfied with it. It 
used to be that they only gave the prisoner two meals. I didn't think 
that was right because the man is not guilty until he is found guilty, 
and even then he is a human being. 

I convinced the commissioners that we should have more money 
to feed the prisoners three times a day. They are fed at 8 o'clock in 
the morning and 1 o'clock in the afternoon, and sometimes the city 
police would bring somebody in at 2 o'clock and that man wouldn't 
have anything to eat until the next morning. 

I have an editorial here, a clipping from the paper, praising the 
achievement of three meals that I have done. I have a clipping from 
a newspaper where we have just recently gotten a report of having an 
excellent jail. I have the report signed by the State Welfare Depart- 
ment as to the conditions and the meals and everything was good. One 
of them says the jail is operated by a conscientious sheriff and jailer 
and well managed. 

Mr. Appell. Would you like to leave them for the record also? 

Mr. Millis. Yes. I can get a copy of these from the Welfare, if 
I need to. 

(Documents handed to committee.) 

(Documents marked "Marion Millis Exhibit No. 7" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, in the course of your membership in the Klan 
and the membership of your men, did you learn that within the Klan 
there might be certain men who are designated to carry out cross- 
burnings ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir ; other than I understand they do appoint a man 
for the cross-burning at the rally. They appointed him. 

Mr. Appell. I am talking about the crosses of intimidation and 
crosses that are publicity crosses on sidewalks, like in front of the 
courthouse. 

Mr. Millis. No, sir; I didn't know they selected certain men for it. 
I didn't know that. 

The Chairman. Sheriff, we have evidence also in other areas, not in 
your immediate area, that persons are also designated and sometimes 



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they even draw from hats, to be the one who is not only to burn crosses, 
but to do some bombings. Have you heard of that in your area ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; I haven't heard of anything like that. Other 
than tliis cross in front of the courthouse, we haven't had an}-. It has 
been very, very quiet and I hope it will remain that way. 

Mr. Appell. With respect to the election of your deputy, Charles 
"Woody" Goodwin, do you know that he was elected at a State meeting 
in Granite Quarry, North Carolina, in January of 1964 ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Was elected in Granite Quarry ? 

Mr. Appell. At a State meeting of the Klan held .at Granite Quarry, 
North Carolina. 

Mr. MiLLis. Is that the time he was supposed to have been elected 
to the State office? 

Mr. Appell. And that he was elected to the ^wsition of Klaliff or 
vice president ? 

Mr. MiLLis. The only thing that I heard was that it was a State 
office. The chief deputy did mention something to me .about second 
man for the State. Then I heard it was just organizer, what his title 
was. 

Mr. Appell. "VVliat did your deputy, Goodwm, tell you ? 

Mr. MiLLis. "WHien I talked to him to start with, the first time, he 
said he had been elected but he wasn't going to accept it, and he would 
take no part in it. I asked him not to. Sometime later on I did h.ave 
another talk with him and he told me he had accepted it. 

Mr. Appell. The evidence is clear that he attended a great many — 
not a great many, but he attended rallies, and at the rally of July 11, 
according to the committee's investigation, he was exercising authority 
with respect to Klansmen who were patrolling the road. He con- 
tinued in activity in the Klan, official or semiofficial capacities, long 
after January. When was it that you talked to him ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Let's see — I don't recall. To go back to it again, the 
Charlotte newspaper came out about the deputy being in it, and our 
news reporter came around after it was in the paper, and sometime 
after that, this date, if you have our local pa|>er there, is when the 
chief deputy came to me and told me that Goodwin was still par- 
ticipating in the Klan, and told me that he had been elected a State 
officer. 

Mr. iVppELL. Do you mean Goodwin was elected in January ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, I don't know when he was elected. I don't know 
when it took place. 

Mr. Appell. But our investigative knowledge is that he was elected 
in January. 

Mr. Millis. He may have been. 

Mr. Appell. AVlieu'this was brought to your attention, according 
to your testimony, is several weeks after a public rally held in May. 
Then you say you discussed it with Goodwin and he said, "I was 
elected but I am not going to be active, I am not going to accept it," 
but some 5 months had elapsed when he was in the office. I don't 
understand how he wasn't going to accept it when he was acting in 
the office for some 5 months. 

Mr. Millis. It had apparently been a good while before it came 
to my attention. 



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Mr. ArrELL. Did you order him then to resijjii the office and did he? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir; I did. And he said that he was. 

The statement that you have in our paper, whatever date that 
was — and I thought then everybody completely got out of it — it was 
some time after then that Mv. Jarrell came to me. I was over- 
whelmed. 

Mr. ArPELL. Do you mean the statement that appeared in the 
Wilmhigton Morning Star which is captioned by a story "Sheriff 
Denies Deputies Active In Local Klan Unit"? Is that the story? 

Mr. MiLLis. I think so. 

Mr. Appell. That story is September 1, 1964, and this rally that 
I thought we Avere referring to and the date that we were trying to 
fix was several weeks after May. 

Mr. MiLLis. Is this the first rally ? 

The Chairman, What year ? 

^Ir. Appell. 1964. 

Mr. MiLLis. Was this the first rally ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. MiLLis. There was two more after that in New Hanover 
County. There was two more after that in New Hanover County. 

Mr. Appell. So the time that we are talking about is not May but 
sometime after September 1 ? 

Mr. MiLLis. That is right, sometime after. 

Mr. Appell. Therefore, when we talk to Mr. Goodwin about his 
office on a State level, he has been in the office from January 26 until 
sometime after September 1 ? 

Mr. MiLUS. I don't know the dates. But my understanding was 
it was a good while. This thing surprised me because it had been 
such a long time, and I found out he was still in it. 

Mr. Appell. It slipped my mind. Sheriff Millis, but this story 
which you asked me to refer to states : "Sheriff Marion Millis denied 
Monday that members of his department have actively engaged in 
Ku Klux Klan activities in New Hanover County'' and then there is 
a direct quote which reads and I will read it as a direct quote : 

"To my knowledge, no deputy in this department has ever been a member of 
the Ku Klux Klan or any other subversive organization," Millis declared in an 
interview. 

Mr. Millis. Wasn't that a recent column? They copied tAvo 
columns from the old one that I didn't give them. They copied from 
that. 

Mr. Appell. This one was obtained just last week from the Wd- 
mington Morning Star. It carries the dateline of 9-1-64. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Millis. The reporter. Kirk, came to my office and was talking to 
me about the Klan. He didn't ask anything about me ever being a 
member or my deputy. He wanted to know if I had any in the Klan, 
and I told him not to my knowledge. That is when he asked me what 
would I do if I found out I had one in the Klan. He wanted to knoAv 
if I would fire him. I said, "I don't know." I don't know too much 
about a legal organization, if it is legal, and then if I find his purpose — 
I told him I was not an authority on civil rights and I didn't know 
whether it would fly back to me or not, under those conditions. 

59-222 O — 67 — pt. 2 3 



1988 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

When this statement was made, to my knowledge everythmg was 
supposed to have been clear, everybody was supposed to have been out 
of it. And then time went on until sometime after this, when my chief 
deputy came to me and asked me if I knew Goodwin was still taking 
part in the Klan, and I said I certainly did not, and he said, "I 
understand they have elected him to some kind of a State office." I 
don't know how long after this it was. 

Mr. Appfxl. So it is clear from what you are now saying to us that 
while some of your members were in this order to seek information, 
some of them were in as ideological Klansmen ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Evidently. One of them — well, this one in particular, 
Goodwin was. 

(Document marked "Marion Millis Exhibit No. 8" appears on pp. 
1989,1990.) 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, I am, and I think the record is, confused as to 
specifically when it was that you ordered your men to get out of the 
Klan. It was my impression, and I think it is the impression of the 
record, that it was several weeks following the rally on May 2, 1964. 

Mr. Millis. Several weeks. I don't know just how long. Of course, 
at that time they were at the Elberg Motel and then they had some 
kind of a fjilling out over the rental of the place and they moved on 
Second Street. 

That was attended at one closed meeting and then the next meeting 
that was an open meeting. 

Mr. Pool. Is that 1965 ? 

Mr. Appell. 1964, sir. 

Mr. Millis. That is when they were ordered out of it. Then some- 
time later, to go back, the Charlotte paper came out with it, and our 
local reporter came to me and he wrote this article. Of course, at this 
time all of them were supj^osed to have been out of it. Then sometime 
later on, and I don't know just how long, Aveeks or months, the way 
time flies — you get busy — and the chief deputy came to me and it 
looked like he had gone overboard. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, it is the committee's information that as late 
as December 1964 your chief deputy was still attending closed meetings 
of the Klan. 

Mr. Millis. 1964? 

Mr. Appell. December. 

Mr. Millis. I don't think so. I believe if I would get with him 
and pin him down and see if he did, I believe he would tell me. I 
really believe he would. If you want to thrash these things out, 
if you get your man with me, we can go over the whole thing Avith 
them down there and give you a complete record. We will be glad 
to do it. In that way, maybe we can get our dates straight, if you 
get a complete picture. I want you to have com])lete and full things 
all tlie way through. There has been so much here and there until 
it is just hard to remember at all. 

But before this paper came out, that is when they had the orders, 
and my understanding was the chief deputy didn't attend but two or 
three meetings. 

Mr. Appell. Sheriff, where does the New Hanover County Improve- 
ment Association now hold its meetings ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



1989 



Marion Millis Exhibit No. 8 

Sheriff Denies Deputies 
Active In Locql Klan Unit 



wSheriJt-Mariou_Mlilis denied 
I^ouday thaF memBers of his 
department- havf. arlively en- 
gaged iiy^u KLui_Klanjactivi- 
ties in New Han6ver County.. 

"To my knowledge, no deputy 
uf this dcparlmeht has ever 
been a member of the Ku KIuk 
Klan or any other subversive 
organization, "• Millis declared 
in an interview. 

His remarks followed in the 
wake of a published report that 
several New Hanover County 
deputies are cither members of 
the Klan or s.smpathetic to iti 
cause. 

Millis attributed the report at 
least partially to the fa -t that 
deputies, on several occasions, 
have been assigned to atten'd 
KKK meetings that were open 
to the public. He .said deputies 
have not attended the meetings 
since local Klan officials Jiave 
been instructed to bar specta- 
tors from KKK sessions. 

"The rumor that some of my 
deputies were Khnsmcn has 
been, around for the past .sev- 
eral months," the .sheriff ex- 
plained. 'A.nd before that I re- 
ceived a telephone call from a 
man who said he -had heard 
members of the sheriff'.'? de- 
partment were to take part in 
the freedom march on "Wash- 
ington." 

He said he suspected that the 
rumor linking his department to 
the Ku Klux Klan "may have 
been started by political op- 
ponents." Millis declined to 
elaborate on his suspicion, add- 
ing only: 

"I have been told there is a 
pef.s-on who v.-ants to run for 
sheriff and has started this 
rumor." 

He said an out oftown dc-vs- 
paperman questioned him a few 



weeks ago about the ""rumor 
and at that time deriod any 
knowledge of cohesion h'.'twtM>n 
his department and tin* Kl.-^n. 

The report, published In Sun. 
day's (Aug!!st 30) edition of 
The Charlotte Observer, follows 

"In New Hanover County, 
one of the strong centers of 
Klanisjn. upwards of half the 
20-odd members of the New 
Hanover County sheriff's de- 
partment are reporiCfi to hold 
membership ir. the Klan or are 
strong Klan s>mpa'-hiicr.s," 

The report did not attribute 
the accusation to a.ny source, 
official or otherwise. 

Asked if he intended to ques- 
tion his deputies Individ-ially 
concerning th» matter. M.llis 
replied: 

"That has. already been done. 

When, iji;",st„ jD^aj;d .jhU run: or 

T personally ss-kccl <?ac'h of Vne 

^deputies if- th.cy had over been 

affiliated wi:h the Ku Klux Klan 

'•Each said they had not." 

M:;!is also said he did not 
bf^".-' a law enforcement of- 
ficer could be loyal to liis oath 
of office while .pursuing t h e 
goals of the KKK, but "^[idded: 

"If I found out th?^t a deputy 
was a member cf the Kian, I 
am not certain if I would be 
within my ri.^hts to di.«^jh&rr<.! 
him for that reason. The c J 
rights bill can work In leve .c-. 
yid if I fired a mar. bcc.-..^ 
he was a member of (ht ' u 
Klux Klan tne law mi.^ht > .' r- 
mine that I had cHscrim i; .'d 
against the deputy." 

The sheriff said he h:- ,i i:^.! 
vfying' to keep abreas' A .vhin 
activities but that no*.e .;i ..-s 
deputies had been in'^'n; ic; to 
join the KKK. 



1990 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Marion Millis Exhibit No. 8— Continued 

WILMINGTON MORNING STBI 
May 25, 1965 



Klan Denied 
SIsdium Use, ' 
Council Rules 

the Wiirtrtncft)!* Citv Coun-' 
cil Monday denied the Klu Klux 
Klan Ihc use of Legion Stadium 
for a Jime rally. 

Warrtn Chadwick. a spokes- 
man for Tfie TThilea Klans of 
America, Knighti of the Klu 
Khix Klsn, had made the re- 
quest for the municipal stadium 
June 12. 

Chadwick said his request 
Ihis morning to the council wa's 
an appeal, after being turned 
down by City Manager E. C. 
Brandon Jr. 

The Klansman said the ritual- 
istic cross-burning would be tak- 
en out of the ceremony after a 
]9.'0 city ordinance was read, 
which outlawed cross-burnings. 
The Council, however, voted to 
uphold Brandon's refusal. 

Brandon told the council he 
bad d-^niod (he use of the stadi- 
um bccau-;e he was afraid a 
Kian meeting in the city might 
upj^ct the local racial balance. 
Mayor 0. 0. Allsbrook said 
he felt th» council should not 
do anyliiinp to "add to the eon- 
fusion" of the racial situation in 
the south. 

'■yiy personal feeling." the 
Mavor said, "is that we have 
ccme a lone way in the pa?t few 
vcars. I would hate to do any- 
thin? to pit me against you 
(Cliadwick) or you against any- 
one." 

Chadwick glowered across the 
council table and said, "Gentle- 
m»"n. you have made one 
drastic mi.^takc. Yoti have 
d.'nied the while people here 
the r!?ht to assemble as guar- 
anteed by the Constitution of 
the rnited States." 

Chadwick, in deciding not to 
u<e the cross-burning, said 
that is merely part of the ritu- 
al and IS 'not intended lo in- 
limidnle anyone." 

Ho said the purpose of the 

I meetings are to "inform the 

'public" of certain "situations"- 

in the country. 

The Klan. he said, is more 



interested in exposing the activi- 
ties of Communists than in in- 
ciiiiiR racial unrest. "The com- 
munists are in back of the 
problems of this country," he 
said. 

After the council upheld 
Brandon's refusal for the use 
of legion Stadium, Chadwick 
and three unidentified men left. 

But, at the end of the meet- 
ing they returned, and Chad- 
wick asked permission to read 
from the Klan's charter to 
"clarify a few items" for the 
council. 

Chadwick said the Klan is 
no more subversive than any 
other fraturnal organization. 
'•Catholics have the Knights of 
Columbus. Jews have B'nai 
n'rith. We (white protcstants) 
have the Knights of the Klu 
Klux Klan." 

In closing, he said the pur- 
po.se of the Klan is to "teach 
patriotism." He asked the coun- 
cil to reconsider the request 
for the' municipal stadium. 

They refused. 

Chadwick then asked the pro- 
cedure for securing a parade 
permit. 

Brandon .laid anyone could 
get a parade permit if they 
complied with the city's laws, 
lie said Ciiadwick should sub- 
mit information concerning the 
length and time of the parade 
and its mute, and if the pa- 
rade would not unduely incon- 
venience traffic in town, the 
permit would be issued. 

At the beginning of the meet- 
ing the coimcll awarded a $10,- 
063 loofing contract to Hanover 
Iron' Works Inc. The firm will 
put a new roof on the Sweeney 
water treatment plant, at Hilton. 

The council adopted a three- 
part proposal of the City Plan- 
ning Board, presented by Bert 
Flowers of (hat board. 

Tic said the city needs three 
additional minimum housing 
code enforcement officers. He 
said (he new officers arc need- 
ed to do the work of the Hous- 
ing Authority. 

Councilwoman Hannah Block 
handed across the table a 
packet of pictures of houses in 
town which do not conform to 
the minimum code as an ex- 
planation of "why we need those 
officers." 

FloAvers said the additions to 



the staff will also b« needed to 
receive funds tor urban rtn 
newal. " ' 

He gave the council a suggest- 
ed new code for the city, and 
asked the city to set up a 
minimum standards board for 
appeal by property, owners from 
decisions of housing Inspectors. 

An appeal from/ that board, he 
said, would go to the courts. 
That would take the council 
from the position of being an 
appeal board. 

Funds for the three addition- 
al officers would be a budget 
item, Brandon said. The code 
will have to be drawn up by 
the city attorney. . 

Former City Manager James 
R. Benson was appointed to the 
Board of Adjusters, replacing C. 
M. Harrington, who left" that 
position to succeed E. S. Capps 
on the council. 

Councilman-elect iLuther Cro- 
martie was a guest at Monday's 
meeting. Yow motioned him to 
a seat at the table, which he 
took, murmuring,, "I hope I'm 
not being presumptuous." 

The three councilmen elected 
earlier this month will be 
sworn in at the May 31 meet- 
ing. The ceremony will be at 
11:30 a. m. 

Thai meeting will also be the 
organizational session for the 
new council. 

The new councilmen, Luther 
Cromartie and Harrington will 
attend a school for new coun- 
cilmen in Chapel Hill, June 14 
and 1.5, the council announced. 

City police Pvt. W. M. Lewis 
was promoted to the rank of 
sr«-gcant. 

Councilman John Symmcs 
a.skcd Brandon for an opinion 
on requesting legislation levy- 
ing a one-cent retail sales ta.x 
in the city. He said such a tax 
could allow the reduction of 
property taxes by as much as 
50 r^-' cent. 

Brandon said the League of 
Municipalities had considered 
the sales ta.-*, but felt there 
was a bottjLT chance of getting 
a bill to return three of the six 
per cent franchise tax paid by 
public utilities. 

.•\t present, he said, less than 
one per cent is being returned 
to the towns by the state. ;^ 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 1991 

Mr. MiLLis. It is a place on the iiilaiul waterway, by the Carolina 
Beach Bridge, going over to Carolina l^eacli, on the right. It is down 
to the right of tlie bridge. 

Mr. ArrELL. Even though you liad evidence that at least one of 
your deputies liad not dropped out of the Klan after you had issued 
orders for your men to dro^:) out of tlie Klan, what type of surveillance 
has your office })een conducting of tlie site at -wliicli tlie Klan holds 
their Klan rallies in order to determine the composition of the Klan 
as it exists at the present time ? 

Mr. MiLLis. The place at the present, I don't have any information 
of any deputies going to this location. I can go right on through and 
tell you these locations if you want to, of where they have met. 

Mr. ArrKLL. I want to know what kind of intelligence activity your 
department is carrying out in order to keep yourself fully abreast of 
Klan activities within your county ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Well, I have asked the men to go that night and check 
and observe, and see if anything is going on. I am trying to find out 
if anyone was still in it, because I was confident there wasn't any more 
in it after this, after I talked to Goodwin the last time. I was confi- 
dent they had really gotten out of it. 

Mr. ArPELL. After you found out that one of your deputies had not 
gotten out, contrary to your instructions, had you checked with, let's 
say, the head of the State Bureau of Investigation to determine 
Avhether or not they had any evidence ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. The only time I talked to anyone in the SBI 
to begin with pertaining to the Klan was when they first started, when 
they just got organized, and I got ISIr. Bill Hunt to go across the street 
with me and get a cup of coffee. I brought up the Klan and asked 
him if he knew it was organizing, and he didn't seem to have any 
knowledge of it. That is the only time that I had talked about it. 
They didn't seem to be interested and I didn't know if he would be or 
not. I was under the impression then it was legal and all right to 
operate. 

Mr. AsiiiiRooK. Mr. Chairman, could I ask one point on this matter 
of surveillance and investigation? 

You have talked extensively. Sheriff' Millis, about the intelligence 
work of your department in regards to Klan activities. Going back 
to one specific point you raised, which wasn't clarified too much in 
my mind, the point at which there was a cross-burning in town and you 
referred to it as a big cross and the evidence indicates that it even re- 
quired some demolition of the sidewalk to have it repaired, you noted 
at that ])oint that there were some city policemen around. 

Could you tell us on this same point of investigation and surveil- 
lance whether, to your knowledge, any of the city police members 
were in the Klan for the same ])urpose as yourself ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir ; I don't think so. I don't think there was. 

Mr. AsiiDROOK. But the original meeting you attended where the 
doors were closed, as you put it, after some 25 had left, and the oath 
was given, there were no city police members there either before or 
after the doors were closed ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir. 



1992 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. AsiiBKOOK. So to the best of your knowledge, no one in the city 
police force is a member of the Klan for any purpose, whether it be 
for surveillance or active participation ? 

Mr. Mtllis. No sir ; I don't think they are. 

Mr. ArPELL. Chief, I am lost to understand tlie statement you made 
before Congressman Ashbrook's question, and that is your meeting 
with Sergeant or Detective Hunt witli tlie SBI. 

Mr, MiTxis. He is an investigator. 

Mr. ArPEDL. An investigator for the SBI. And then asking him 
if he had heard whether or not tliere was a Kh\n organized in tlie 
community. 

Mr. Mtllis. I asked him if he knew there had been. 

Mr. Appell. He knew that ? 

Mr. Mtllis. No, sir; he didn't comment. 

Mr. Ai'i'ELL. But why, when you were involved in the original or- 
ganization of the Klan, did you ask liim if he knew it? 

Mr. Mtllis, The only thing that they were coming in on is felonies 
committed, they will come in and assist the local officers on investi- 
gations. There are some things that they woiT't, that you have to call 
for their assistance. It would have to be a felony. When I men- 
tioned it and he didn't say anything, didn't comment, didn't seem to 
know anything about it, I didn't s;\y anything else to him. 

Mr. Appell. But were you trying to determine from him 

Mr. Mtllis. Just to see if he had heard, but he didn't comment. 

Mr. Appioll. As a security matter against yourself and your men? 

Mr. Mtllis. No, sir; I don't think Mi-. Hunt even had come into 
the picture at all at that time, 

Mr, Appell, Did you advise him that your men had infiltrated the 
organization? 

Mr. Mtllis. No, sir; I didn't. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Cliairman, the staff has no further questions of 
Sheriff Millis. 

The Chairman. Sheriff, I call your attention to the Klanishness sec- 
tion of the oath of allegiance. I will read two paragraphs. The first 
paragraph reads : 

I most solemnly pledge, promise and swear that I will never slander, defraud, 
deceive or in any manner wrong the * * * * a [Klan]*sman nor a [Klan]*sman's 
family nor will I suffer the same to he done if I can prevent it. 

And then going down I read this paragraph : 

I swear that I will keep secure to myself a secret of a [Klan]*sniaii when same 
is committed to me in the sacred liond of [Klan]*smanshii) — the crime of violating 
THIS solemn oath — treason against the United States of America — rape — and 
malicious murder — alone excepted. 

Mr. Appell, under oath in his opening remarks and relating his 
experience in this investigation, said: 

I have already read into the record the secrecy section of the Klan oath. The 
wording of this oath indicates that if a law enforcement officer .should join the 
Klan and become a dedicated member of it, placing this oath above all others, 
he would place himself in the position of not being al)le to fully discharge his 
duties as a law enforcement officer. 

In general, may I ask you, don't you agree with Mr. Appell's con- 
clusion ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 1993 

Mr. MiLLis. If he took this oath ahead of everything else in heart, 
I think lie probably wouldn't be able to. But if he took it for other 
reasons 

The CiiAiRMAx. In other words, you agree that such an officer who 
would take this oath, respecting it for all purposes except treason 
against the United States, rape and malicious murder, that taking the 
oath, according to Mr. Appell under oath, would, in his opinion, place 
that officer in the position of not being able to fully discharge his 
duties as a law enforcement officer. 

Would you not agree with that ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. That is one reason I made the remark that 
on account of our oath was the reason that I wanted them to clear the 
house. 

The CiiAiKMAN. Tliat oath 

Mr. MiLLis. That is, after we 

The Chairman. — would embarass an officer in apprehending a fel- 
low Klansman in, for instance, the burning of a cross, would it not? 
Or exploding a bomb? Tliat would include acts of violence of that 
type. 

Mr. MiLLis. They would be acts of violence, that is right. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Chairman ? 

The Chairman. Mr. Pool? 

Mr. Pool. I have several questions. Were any other public officials 
in your county members of this Klan ? 

Mr. MiLiJs. I don't liave any knowledge. 

Mr. Pool. You have no knowledge of any other public officials in 
your county being members of it? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Were any close relatives of ])ublic officials members of 
the Klan? 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Would you care to name them? 

Mr. MiLLis. My son in-law. Tie went one night, I think. 

Mr. Pool. Your son-in-law? 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. What is his name? 

Mr. MiLLis. J. T. Abbott. 

Mr. Pool. He was a member of tlie Klan? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. That is the only relative you have? 

Mr. MiLT>is. The only relative. 

Mr. Pool. And you have no knowledge of any other relative of any 
other public officials? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. He didn't take part in it. He just left. 

Mr. Pool. He wasn't in the Klan to keep touch and report to you? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Pool. You have these deputies you testified a while ago that 
you assigned to investigate the cross-burnings in your county. Do 
you recall wlio these deputies were ? 

Mr. MiLLis. One of them was Mr. Paul Wolf. 

Mr. Pool. Was he a member of the Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 



1994 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Pool. Who were some of the others? 

Mr. MiLLis. I think O'Sullivaii. 

Mr. Pool. "Was he a member of the Khiii ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Pool. AVere any of those officers that yoii assiiined to investi- 
gate the cross-burnings members of the Khm ? 

Mr. MiLLis. There is only one of them, Mr. H. X. Bridges, who was 
in it who went with another deputy to follow up ?ome investigative 
Avork. 

Mr. Pool. Did you or your men make a list of the membership of 
this Klan in XeAv Hanover County ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Xo, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Did 3'ou have a chance to make a list ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Some of them that I imagine was in there could have. 

Mr. Pool. Isn't that a pretty good idea, to have a list of the mem- 
bership in case you have trouble i 

Mr. ]MiLLis. Yes, it would have been. 

Mr. Pool. But you didn't do it ? 

Mr. MiLiJs. Everybod}' to my knowledge that was in there at the 
time is out and I think there has been a complete turnover. 

Mr. Pool. Did you take any pictures? 

Mr. MiLLis. Xo, sir; we didn't have any chance to take a picture. 

Mr. Pool. Let me ask you this, then : Did you make an investigative 
file on the Ku Klux Klan Klavern in your county ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Xo, sir ; not on file there. 

Mr. Pool. You had no notes or no information ? 

Mr. ^IiLLis. "\Ve had notes, there were some notes around. 

Mr. Pool. Are these notes available to this committee ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I would have to get the notes from some of the deputies. 
All of them have notebooks. 

Mr. Pool. Each deputy has his own notebook and that is his file? 

Mr. MiLLis. Xo, sir; they make reports when a law has been violated 
and we file it away under the classification. 

Mr. Pool. There is one question that bothered me a little bit, and 
that is either you or your men went to this meeting of the Klan for 
the purpose, I believe you said, that you were going to iuAestigate to 
see what was going on, or something to that effect. 

It is always a good idea when you do something like that to have a 
backstop in case you get caught. Did you notify the FBI that you 
were investigating this particular Klan in your county? 

Mr. MiLLis. Xo, sir. "We thought at that time it was legal and 
went in to see what it was. 

Mr. Pool. You didn't notify the State police agency ? 

Mr. Millis. Xo, sir. 

Mr. Pool. The SBI? 

Mr. MiLLis. Xo, sir. He is not available all the time. He works in 
several counties. 

Mr. Pool. Did you tell your district judge or your circuit judge? 

Mr. Millis. Afterwards, I talked to the district judge and I talked 
to Mr. John Burney, who had just been relieved as district solicitor. 
The other district solicitor had been relieved. 

Mr. Pool. You talked to him ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 1995 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes. 

Mr. Pool, And you told him one of the purposes of going into the 
Klan was for the puri-)oso of investigating it, keeping an eye on it? 

Mr. MiLLis. When I talked to John Bumey, he had just resigned. 
I was talking from the legal points. 

Mr. Pool. But you didn't actually 

Mr. MiLLis. He had just been sworn in, and he lives in another 
county, the new one. He has four counties. 

Mr. Pool. You say that you will supply these notebooks? 

Mr. MiLLis. Everything that I can get, everything we can do. 

Mr. Pool. Can you get your men, from their observations and in- 
vestigations, to compile a list of the membership of this Klavern? 

Mr. MiLLis. We will try to achieve that. 

Mr. Pool. Will you furnish that to the committee ? 

Mr. MiLLis. We will try to achieve that; yes, sir. One reason that 
some of this wasn't done is everything looked legal. At that time 
there was no publicity on any Klan activity and no violation that I 
recall. Of course, sometime later on things did begin to come out. 

Mr. Pool. Yet you said you got in to find out what was going on 
and to keep tab on them. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. So we ought to have this information furnished to the 
committee. 

Mr. MiLLis. I think so. 

Mr. Pool. That is all. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman ? 

The Chairman. Mr. Weltner. 

Mr. Weltner. Sheriff, you are the chief law enforcement officer 
of New Hanover County ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. And it is your responsibility under the laws and 
constitution of North Carolina to enforce the laws enacted by the 
State legislature ? 

Mr. MiLLis. That is true. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Sheriff, I have a copy of the oath to be taken 
by the sheriffs in the State of North Carolina, which I would like to 
read and ask you whether or not this is the oath that you have taken. 

I, , do solemnly swear (or aflSrm) that I will execute the office of sheriff 

of County to the best of my knowledge and ability, agreeably to law ; and 

that I will not take, accept, or receive, directly or indirectly, any fee, gift, brib^, 
gratuity or reward whatsoever, for returning any man to serve as a juror or for 
making any false return on any process to me directly so help me God. 

Do you recall that to be the oath ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. I would like to turn to Section II, the secrecy oath, 
of the United Klans of America, which was exhibited to you at the 
outset of this session and read this section : 

I most solemnly swear that I will forever keep sacredly secret the signs, word 
and grip and any and all other matters and knowledge of the * * * * [Ku Klux 
Klan] — regarding which a most rigid secrecy must be maintained which may at 
any time be communicated to me and will never divulge same nor even cause same 
to be divulged to any person in the whole world unless I know positively that 
such person is a member of this Order in good and regular standing — and not 



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even then unless it be for the best interest of this Order. * * * — I will die 
rather than divulge same — so help me God — 

Does this oath mean that if a Klansman states to another Klansman 
that he is guilty of offense against the laws of the State of North Caro- 
lina, that the party to whom it has been di\itlged cannot reveal that? 

Mr. MiLLis. I never read the oath. I never studied it. All I 
know is when he administered the oath, it was strung around and I 
didn't hear everything he said. But the Klan oath is of some self- 
made organization. It is not law. My oath as sheriff is, and I am 
certain would override anything that would be in any organization I 
would join, whether it be fraternal or whatnot. 

Mr. Weltner. Let me ask you this hypothetical question : 

As the chief law enforcement officer of Hanover County, if you had 
a deputy who was under some sort of a self-imposed restraint from 
inparting any information he might obtam about the Ku Klux Klan, 
would you feel like he could discharge his duties as your deputy? 

Mr.MiLLis. Yes, sir; I do. 

Mr. Weltner. Do you feel that a man can take this oath of secrecy 
and still be an officer of the law ? 

Mr. MiLLis. If he took it with the pretense of fulfilling that oath 
fully and sticking with the Klan, and his heart being in it, then I 
don't think he could. 

Mr. Weltner. If he meant what he said w^hen he took the oath, he 
couldn't be an efficient and effective law^ enforcement officer ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir ; not if he took it for that purpose. 

Mr. Weltner. So if he sincerely subscribed to the words contained 
in this oath, it would mean that he would be unfit to exercise the duties 
of a law enforcement officer? 

Mr. MiLLis. I am not an attorney. I don't know fully whether he 
w^ould or not. 

Mr. Weltner. If he couldn't disclose any information that he might 
gain as to the commission of a crime, that would make him unfit to be 
a law enforcement officer ; wouldn't it ? 

Mr. MiLLis. They have done it with me. They have brought infor- 
mation to me. 

Mr. Weltner. Sir? 

Mr. MiLLis. They have brought information to me as to what was 
going on in the organization. 

Mr. Weltner. I am not asking you as to your personal experience. 
I am asking you as a law enforcement officer of 25 years experience, 
I believe. If a man is unable to report to you what he learns as to 
the commission of crimes in your county, then that man caimot be an 
effective law enforcement officer, acting under you ; could he, sir? 

Mr. MiLLis. Not if his heart was in it and he felt dedicated in his 
heart, to carry out this oath, he wouldn't be. 

Mr. Weltner. Because he would have a higher duty, would he not ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. He would have a duty to the State of North Carolina 
pursuant to his oath as a law enforcement officer, and that duty pur- 
suant to this oatli is contradictory to the duty to the Klan pursuant to 
its oath ; is that not right ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Apparently, since I looked it over, it looks like some of 
it would be. 



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Mr. AVeltner. It is contnidictory ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you, sir. 

Mr. Buchanan. Sherill' Millis, growing up in the South and hav- 
ing lived in the South all my life, it has been my distinct impression 
that the overwhelming majority of the people of the South do not 
approve of the Ku Klux Klan. 

Would you say this to be true on the basis of your 25 years' experi- 
ence in New Hanover County or not ? 

Mr. Millis. From the publicity it has got I don't think they look 
up to it much. 

Mr. Buchanan. I beg your pardon ? 

Mr. Millis. I don't think they approve of it too much. 

Mr. Buchanan. In trying to understand whatever measure of 
strength the Klan may possess, or whatever measure of public support 
and acceptance it may have, and I ask this for my personal informa- 
tion in trying to understand this situation, you have had a good bit 
to say about the activities of one David "W. Jones. Would you say that 
his activities helped to create sympathy for or opposition to the Ku 
Klux Klan. or had no particular effect on public opinion towards the 
Klan? 

Mr. Millis. At that time there was no Klan in New Hanover 
County. 

Mr. Buchanan. There was no Klan at that point ? 

Mr. Millis. No, sir. 

Mr. Buchanan. Thank you, sir. 

Mr. MiLiJS. I think that" boy's heart was in what he was doing. He 
was doing what he felt like he could do. 

Mr. Buchanan. I intended no comment on the nature of his activi- 
ties or the worthwhileness of his activities. I was interested in trying 
to understand whatever measure of strength and support the Klan 
might have and what factors might influence it pro or con. 

That was the reason for my question. 

Thank you. 

Mr. Senner. Sheriff Millis, who did you describe in testimony here 
who died from a heart attack ? 

Mr. Millis. Who died from a heart attack ? 

Mr. Senner. Somebody who died, who is deceased? You said he 
was in the hospital for several months from a heart attack. 

Mr. Millis. Mr. Bridges is one. He had a heart attack. 

Mr. Senner. How many cross-burnings have taken place in your 
jurisdiction, located within your jurisdiction? 

Mr. Millis. In the city and county, there have been about five or 
six. 

Mr. Senner. Isn't it a fact that you have concurrent jurisdiction 
with the city in regards to misdemeanors and felonies? 

Mr. Millis. We have an agreement with the police department that 
they will handle all criminal work within the city limits. 

Mr. Senner. Including felonies? 

Mr. Millis. Yes, sir ; everything. 

We have other work other than criminal work outside the city 
limits, and in the city, such as our civil work, our courts, our jail, 
and so forth. 



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Mr. Senner. I take it that your office, in conjunction with working 
with the various city police departments within the county, has been 
unable to conclude investigations relative to the burning of a cross 
within your jurisdiction that Mould lead to the arrest of any individ- 
ual ; is that correct ? 

Mr. IVIiLLis. Do we work together on cases ? 

Mr. Senner. Have you been able to conclude who the principals 
were in the commission of the crime of burning a cross, trespassing on 
other people's properties, and setting fire to crosses, within your 
jurisdiction? 

Have you been able to solve one of these ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir ; we have not been. 

Mr. Senner. You have not been able to arrest a single soul? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Senner. Is your chief deputy Goodwin still on the force? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir ; he is there. 

Mr, Senner. Is he still a member of the Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Not to my knowledge, he is not. 

Mr. Senner. You testified that you had knowledge that he was a 
member of the Klan as late as September 1, 1964. 

Mr. MiLLis. At one time he was, but I am almost certain he is not. 
If he is, it is unbeknown to me and it is certainly that he is going against 
our orders. 

Mr. Senner. Is your chief deputy Goodwin the one Avho keeps 
records ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir ; he is not chief deputy. 

Mr. Senner. What is his name ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Mr. Waters. 

Mr. Senner. I think your testimony would indicate that you stated 
when the cross was burned on the county courthouse grounds, in which 
they removed part of the sidewalk, some of your deputies observed the 
Cadillac? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; they seen the fire, to my understanding, when 
they Avas coming down the Third Street hill. They went up there and 
seen what happened and immediately called the city police. They 
started scouting around trying to find anyone who may have seen any- 
thing. They talked to a man who said there Avas four men who got 
out of a Cadillac and put the cross out and set it on fire and took off. 
They didn't get a license number or a description of the men. 

Mr. Senner. Did this man indicate how long it took four men to 
erect the cross on the county courthouse ? 

Mr. IMiLLis. He talked like it took just a few seconds and they were 
gone. 

Mr. Senner. Even in view of your testimony that they had to re- 
move part of the sidewalk ? 

Mr. Miij^is. I went out and looked where tlie cross was burned. It 
was a little place that already had been broken. There was a little piece 
of concrete sticking out and it looked like it had been broken. 

Mr. Senner. How deep did they dig the hole to place the cross? 

Mr. MiLLis. It had been messed up. I don't know whether someone 
filled it up or not. But it was practically level when I seen it. Some- 
one must have put the dirt back in. 

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Mr. MiLLis. I don't know. They could wedge it there, I suppose, 
bet ween the sidewalk and the curb. 

Mr. Senner. What does your investigation disclose about liow the 
cross stood, if you recall ? 

Mr. MiLLis. That it was wedged between the sidewalk and the curb 
and put into a hole. 

Mr. Sexxer. How deep was the hole ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I don't know. When I got there it was leveled off, 
on account of the people walking. 

INIr. Sexxer. I assume that your deputies when they contacted the 
city police went back to the scene of the crime. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. They stayed there until the police came. 

Mr. Sexxer. Wouldn't the report indicate how deep the hole was ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I can find out. I didn't ask him, but I can find out. 

Mr. Sexxer. Would you advise this committee ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir ; on everything. 

Mr. Sexxer. Do I take it from your testimony that it is your 
opinion as a police officer with 25 years experience that that cross was 
erected in a matter of seconds? 

Mr. MiLLis. Well, some people may refer to it as seconds when it 
may take a minute. He said they wasn't there long and they had 
erected this cross, set it on fire and took off. It didn't take long. He 
didn't say exactly how long. We can find this man and talk to him. 
I talked to a bondsman later on and inq[uired around, I asked him 
because his office was across the street. I asked him if he had seen 
anything, and he said yes, he had. 

Mr. Sexner. If our information is correct, that the cross was 6 feet 
long and 18 inches wide, would they be able to get that in and out of a 
Cadillac? 

Mr. IVIiLLis. Six feet long? I suppose they had it in the trunk. 
The end of it may stick out. 

Mr. Sexxer. I beg your pardon ? 

Mr. MiLLis. If they had it in the trunk of a Cadillac, the end of it 
may stick out. Six feet would be a right good, long trunk. 

Mr. Sexxer. Was it two by four or four by four ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I think it was four by four. 

Mr. Sexxer. A pretty heavy cross. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Sexxer. What did you take the burning of the cross to mean 
to you or to the courthouse or the people of that county ? 

Mr. MiLLis. That night I couldn't understand it being in front of 
the courthouse. We in the sheriff's office was the only office open tliat 
night. I didn't know what the point was, until the next day, when it 
came out in the paper, and they said they burned so many over the 
State simultaneously. I haven't heard of any arrests being made any- 
where in any county, or not to my knowledge. 

Mr. Sexxer. Sheriff, do you have any unsolved criminal offenses 
relative to the subject matter of beatings, bombings, burnings, sugar in 
gas tanks, dead chickens in post office boxes ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. We have had mail boxes blown up, boys putting 
firecrackers into the mail boxes and blowing them up. We have made 
arrests at times, and sometimes it has gone on and we haven't been 
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JVIi'. Senner. Do you think this is the work of the Khm ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; because it has been going on for years, at times, 
particularly at Christmastime. 

Mr. Pool. Did you say mail boxes blown up ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Did you report that to the Post Office Department? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir; and they refer it to us to find out something 
about it. 

Mr. Pool. They don't send investigators down there ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. AVe have mail boxes broken into and they left 
it up to us. We caught one recently who got a prison sentence. There 
was stamps taken, and I believe some post office money, as I can recall. 
They came out and looked but they left it up to us to investigate. 

Mr. Senner. Sheriff, do I take it from your testimony that on 
assault and battery cases, relative to, maybe, racial demonstrations 
of one kind or another, all of these are solved as far as your office is 
concerned, oi* do you have some unsolved? 

Mr. MiLLis. In the county, outside of the city limits, we haven't 
had anything to attribute to anything that may be of a civil rights 
matter. They have in the city, on things that happened. Some have 
been solved and some liaven't. Of course, they have been botli ways, 
whites against colored and sometimes colored against whites. We 
had one wliite man beaten to death in front of a grocery store, stabbed 
in front of the store, about a year ago, Mr. Neil McLamb. An arrest 
was made in that case. The man was put in our jail and there was 
no uprising at all. We had an attorney whose brother was beaten 
by a group of colored boys and they were arrested and put in the jail 
and we didn't have any uprising at all in the county about it. We 
had the mother of a 9-year-old girl shot in her presence the day 
before Christmas Eve in the supermarket. Two was arrested. This 
happened in another county. Two was arrested and put in our jail 
and we didn't have any response to that whatsoever. 

The white nurses home was broken into by a colored man, and he 
raped a nurse and then he went on Dock Street and broke in the home 
of a 14-year-old girl. The city ix)lice investigated. He is supposed 
to have tried to rape her or raped her. I don't remember now. There 
was no uprising about that. 

We had a lady 

Mr. Senner. Sherift', what I understand you are talking about 
now 

Mr. MiLLis. It has been very quiet, witli no uprising at all. 

Mr. Senner. — is Avhen a person of Negro ancestry commits a crime, 
those are solved. 

Mr. MiLLis. They are solved and, of course, the city police and all 
of us have been doing a pretty good job. 

Mr. Senner. What about the other way ? 

Mr. MiLLis. The other way lias been, too, both wajs. 

Mr. Senner. How come you haven't been able to solve any of these 
cross-burnings ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Most of them have been in the city and down at Rocky 
Beach. I think we may have had two or three ni the county, but we 
haven't been able to get evidence on them. 



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Mr. Sennek. You just haven't been able to get that? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Senxer. Have you asked Chief Deputy Goodwin whether or 
not he would know who set fire to these crosses? 

Mr. MiLLis. Sir? 

Mr. Senner. Have you ever asked your Chief Deputy Goodwin 
whetlier or not he would know who set fire to these crosses? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir; we have called him and asked him if he 
thought it might be any Ivlan activity. 

Mr. Senner. AVhat has been his response to you relative to this 
interrogation ? 

Mr. MiLLis. He didn't seem to think so. The only thing that looked 
like it might have been was the one in front of the courthouse, and 
some of the rest were just sticks tied together with kerosene on them, 
and some of them were just sticks broken that had burlap on them. 

Mr. Sennek. In view of tlie oath of office that you take to uphold 
the constitution of the State of North Carolina, and the oath that has 
been administered botli to yourself and to your Chief Deputy 
Goodwin 

Mr. Miller. He is not the chief deputy. 

Mr. Senner. — and the conflict between these two oaths, are you 
telling this committee that you believe that you could rely on Mr. 
Goodwin's answers to you relative to an act of violence ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I will ask any deputy anything and take what I can 
get from him, and won't stop at that. That wouldn't be the end of it. 

Mr. Senner. Apparently your Chief Deputy Goodwin 

Mr. MiLLis. He is not chief. 

Mr. Senner. — didn't follow your orders and resign from the 
Klan. 

Mr. MiLLis. He is not a chief deputy. He is a deputy, not a chief 
deputy. 

Mr. Senner. I thought you described him as chief deputy. 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. Someone else did. 

Mr. Senner. "\V1io is your chief deputy ? 

Mr. MiLLis. R. A. Jarrell. 

Mr. Senner. Is he a member of the Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Senner. Was he ? 

Mr. IMiLLis. Yes, sir ; for 2 or 3 nights he attended meetings. 

Mr. Senner. The same question I submitted to you relative to 
Goodwin, wouldn't that apply to your chief deputy? How can they 
follow^ your instruction, how can they report to you on the activities of 
the Klan when they conscientiously believe in this organization, and 
how can you reconcile that with the oath of office that you have taken 
for the people that elected you to that office, to uphold the laws of the 
State of North Carolina ? 

Mr. MiLLis. The laws have certainly been upheld. I believe that 
since some of this stuff has come out about the Klan activities, even 
Mr. Goodwin has frowned on it, some of the things that happened. I 
believe with the type of man he is, I believe he would still go out and 
make an investigation and would make the arrest. 

Mr. Senner. Sheriff, what time of night did the cross-burning take 
place on the county courthouse ? 



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Mr. MiLLis. I believe it was about 10 or 11 o'clock. That is the 
best I can recall. I would have to look at the report. 

Mr. Senner. And you could only find one person on the street that 
observed this Cadillac? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir; the city police and the deputies talked to a man 
that seen it that night. 

Mr. Sexner. What did you do in your individual capacity as sheriff 
relative to the burning of the cross on the property of the county of 
New Hanover, belonging to the people of that county ? 

Mr. MiLLis. It was on the city sidewalk. Of course, the next morn- 
ing when I seen the report I called the deputies and talked to them. 
They told me what they could about it. I went out and looked at the 
spot where it was. I knew there was a bondsman across the street, 
Mr. Parish, and I talked to him and he said he seen them. I asked 
him could he get a license number and he said no, and I asked him 
could he identify the men, and he said no, he could not identify them. 

Mr. Senner. How many Cadillacs do you have in your county ? 

Mr. MiLLis. There is a number of Cadillacs. 

Mr. Senner. You made no check of the color of the car, the descrip- 
tion of the car? 

Mr. MiLLis. One said white and one said black. Of course, it is 
extreme colore, but somebody should get together on it. 

Mr, Senner. And I take it you didn't find one. 

Mr. MiLLis. Eight. 

The Chairman. Do I understand you have a couple of questions 
left? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Sheriff Millis, dufing the interrogation of Mr. Constantineau yes- 
terday, it was brought out that he holds a Federal Firearms License 
and sells weapons at his Beacon Gun Shop. Congressman Weltner 
had swiftly reviewed the records of sales which we subpenaed from 
him and noted for the record that several weapons were purchased by 
Klansmen in the Wilmington area. 

I do not recall specifically how many. What investigation has your 
office made of the sale of weapons by Mr. Constantineau to people 
whom your department knows to be Klansmen in order to determine 
whether or not these people are carrying these weapons as Klansmen 
in violation of North Carolina law ? 

Mr. Millis. I don't know of any Klansman that has bought a per- 
mit that I can recall. There may have been, but I don't recall any. 
The State law says that all they would have to do to satisfy the sheriff 
of a county is the person's reputation to obtain a permit, if there has 
never been any kind of trouble. If you have a good reputation, you 
are bound to get a permit under the State law. I don't know of any 
particular name of any particular Klansman. 

Mr. Appell. The records that Mr. Weltner referred to of purchases 
I think were handguns, revolvers, and pistols, and they were Warren 
Chadwick, McLamb, and Red Biddle. Under the Federal law, Mr. 
Constantineau has to keep records and these records are available to 
you. You could examine them and your department could examine 
them and determine whether or not a person bought a weapon for which 
a permit must be obtained from your office, and could have carried 



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out an investigation to determine whether or not purchasing that pistol 
was in violation of the North Carolina law. 

What I ask you, sir, is what action has your department taken in 
order to make these determinations ? 

Mr. MiLLis. If a person can legally purchase a gun, there is nothing 
to bo done, if he has a good reputation. But the gun is supposed to 
be for his home protection. 

Mr. AprELL. But he has to get a permit from you, I understand. 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir. It is home protection or self-defense, the way 
the law reads. It says he has to be of good reputation. 

Mr. ArpELL. But if he doesn't have a permit and did buy a weapon, 
then he is violating North Carolina law; is that true? 

Mr. MiLLis. That is right. 

Mr. Appell. "\'\'liat determination has your department made that 
these men, who, according to Mr. Constantineau's records, did pur- 
chase hand weapons, have or have not obtained licenses or permits 
from your department ? 

Mr. MiLLis. I didn't have any knowledge of that. If he did that, 
he certamly violated the law. 

Mr. Weltner. The testimony on yesterday established that in Jmie 
1964, W. J. Chadwick purchased a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson 
revolver and I think in August 1964 he purchased a .32 caliber Smith 
and Wesson revolver. 

Mr. MiLLis. Unless he had a permit to do it each time he violated 
the State law. 

Mr. Appell. Will your department, after we return these records to 
Mr. Const antineau, enforce the law with respect to those people 
who have purchased weapons and who have not obtained a permit from 
your department? 

Mr. MiLLis. Yes, sir ; yes, sir. If it is a violation of law we will do it. 

Mr. Appell. I have no further questions. 

Mr. Pool. "Wliat criteria do you use in determining if a person is 
a law-abiding and good citizen ? 

Mr. Millis. One thing is to check his records, to see he has no 
record. If someone can vouch for him, with a good reputation who 
we have known for a period of years, if he can vouch for him. 

Mr. Pool. If you determine this man is a Klansman, would you 
approve him the purchase of a gmi ? 

Mr. MiLLis. If he was of good reputation, under the State law we 
couldn't deny it. 

Mr. Pool. Even though he belonged to the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. If we have any right, I would like to stop 
them, if we have any right to do it. 

The Chairman. Sheriff, you said very early in your testimony, I 
think referring to your second meeting in a motel, if I remember well, 
that someone was thrown out or expelled or not accepted, told to 
get out. Who was that ? 

Mr. MiLLis. It was Raymond Chadwick, I understand. 

The Chairman. It is not this Chadwick we are talking about? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir ; not Warren Chadwick. 

Mr. Senner. I just have one more point, Mr. Chairman. 

Sheriff, in view of the fact that the oath indicates that a Klansman 
would not tell any secret on another Klansman except treason, rape, 

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or malicious murder, any other crime committed by a Klansman of 
which that Klansman had personal knowledge and failed to report 
it to the police department, Avould you classify that individual as a 
person of good reputation ? 

Mr. MiLLis. Well, I don't think he would be a law-abiding citizen 
if he didn't cooperate with the law. 

Mr. Senner. Would you classify that person as a law-abiding cit- 
izen, who had failed to report any crime committed against the State 
of North Carolina except treason, rape, and malicious 

Mr. MiLLis. I have never read this oath, but you are bringing some 
points out now, and I believe if he stuck by this he would be a law- 
abiding citizen, he would be cooperating with what he ought to do as 
a citizen. 

Mr. Senner. If he knew a crime was committed in your county and 
failed to divulge it to you ? 

Mr. IVIiLLis. If he failed to report it, I don't think he would be a 
good or law-abiding citizen. 

Mr. Senner. You don't think he would be ? 

Mr. MiLLis. No, sir. 

Mr. Senner. Isn't it a fact that every Klansman, if they believe in 
their oath, would fail, based upon the oath, to disclose to you that a 
crime liad been committed except in those categories that I mentioned ? 

Mr. MiLLis. If he stuck by that completely, and made it ironclad, 
he wouldn't be. 

Mr. Senner. In other words, a Klansman is not a law-abiding cit- 
izen; is that right? 

Mr. MiLLis. At the time this thing was being administered, we had 
no intention of anything like this at all. The idea was to try to ob- 
tain information. 

The Chairman. Mr. Reporter, you will, as usual, insert into the 
record at the appropriate points where they were offered and dis- 
cussed the exhibits referred to. 

The Chair would like to say this, Sheriff, that you appeared here 
without a lawyer and you submitted, I think, an editorial and two or 
three copies of letters of commendation. I think you are entitled to 
have them inserted in the record and they will be inserted at the point 
where you commented on them. 

The committee wishes to thank you for the position you have taken 
before us, and for the cooperation you have given to the committee 
today. 

Thank you very much. You are excused and discharged from your 
subpena. However, before that, it is understood, is it, that the com- 
mittee may send an investigator to see you and you will supply the 
information and material that you talked about during your testimony ? 

Mr. MiLLis. We will do that fully. 

The Chairman. Thank you very much. 

The committee will stand in recess until 2 :45. 

(Members present at time of recess: Representatives Willis, Pool, 
Weltner, Ashbrook, and Buchanan, of the subcommittee, and also 
Representative Senner.) 

(Whereupon, at 1 p.m. Tuesday, October 26, 1965, the subcommittee 
recessed, to reconvene at 2 :45 p.m. the same day.) 



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AFTERNOON SESSION— TUESDAY, OCTOBER 26, 1965 

(The subcommittee reconvened at 2:55 p.m., Hon. Edwin E. Willis, 
chairman, presiding.) 

(Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Pool, and 
Weltner.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will please come to order. 

Call your next witness, Mr. Appell. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Robert L. Reaves, 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solenmly swear that the testimony you are about to give will 
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Reaves. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF EOBEET LEE REAVES, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. Will you state your full name for the record, sir? 

Mr. Reaves. Robert L. Reaves, Robert Lee Reaves. 

Mr. Appell. Will you speak into the microphone, please, sir? 

Mr. Reaves. Robert L. Reaves. 

Mr. Appell. Are you appearing here this afternoon in accordance 
with the subpena served upon you ? 

Mr. Reaves. I am. 

Mr. Appell. That was served at 5 :50 o'clock p.m., on the 11th day of 
October 1965? 

Mr. Reaves. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Reaves. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel identify himself for the record ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, when and Avhere were you born? 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer this question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, what is your employment background? 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, under the conditions of the subpena 
served upon you on October 11, you were commanded to bring with 
you and to produce items called for in the attachment to that subpena 
which are set forth in two parts. I now read part 1 : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to 
the organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Em- 
pire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known 
as the United Klajis of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affi- 
liated organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Realm (State) of 
North Carolina, and Keystone Club in your possession, custody or control, or 



2006 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

maintained by you or available to you as Grand Kladd, Realm (State) of North 
Carolina, and as an officer of the Keystone Club of the Invisible Empire, United 
Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I request that you produce those documents in accordance with 
that subpena. 

Mr. Rea\tes. I respectfully declme to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and g^ermane 
to the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89tli Congress, by House Resolu- 
tion 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments and records as commanded by the subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so, the same might 
tend to incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me 
by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

(At this point Mr. Buchanan entered the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, I take it that the following stipula- 
tion along the lines already entered into is agreed upon, to wit: (1) 
That the witness has been furnished a copy of the chairman's opening 
statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its con- 
tents; (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the docu- 
ments called for are made to the witness in the official representative 
capacity described in the subpena. 

Is that correct ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. May I state while I am on my feet, Mr. 
Chairman, I conferred with counsel this moniing, of the committee 
and, of course, I realize and I am certain each member of the committee 
realizes, that for them to have to repeat the same thing over each time 
after Mr. Appell makes the direction and you make the order, if the 
chairman in his wisdom and experience can help us solve that situ- 
ation, I will be more than happy to trust his wisdom and his experi- 
ence in this matter and his fairness to my clients, each of them, if we 
can start thinking along the same lines, because we have your direction 
and he will have to read it back, and then we have item 2, which will 
have to be read back, and Mr. Appell will have to go through his, 
my clients will have to go through his, the chairman will have to go 
through his. 

(At this point Mr. Ashbrook entered the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. I think the directions will be given, but from now 
on you can say that your client declines to produce for the reasons 
previously stated. 

In the next paragraph I will order him to produce the documents 
on the basis of the previously entered into stipulation. "We can shorten 
it that way. 

Mr. Chalmers. All right, sir. 

The Chairman. I now order and direct you to produce those docu- 
ments. 



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(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Reaves. I decline to produce those documents for the reasons 
heretofore stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. May I ask counsel and the chairman, Are we all in 
accord ? 

The Cii.viRMAN. We are. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, part 2 of your subpena reads as follows: 

All books, records, documeuts, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity as 
Grand Kladd. Realm (State) of North Carolina, and as an officer of the Keystone 
Club of the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Kn Klux Klan, which 
the "Constitution and Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be 
maintained by you and any other officer of said organization, the same being 
in your possession, custody or control. 

I now ask that you produce the documents called for in part 2. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Re.v\t:s. I respectfully decline to produce those documents based 
on the g:rounds heretofore stated. 

The Chairman. I take it that the same stipulation just entered into 
applies to tliis paragraph ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chaiioian. For the reasons previously stated, I order and direct 
you to produce the documents. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to produce those documents based 
on the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, are you currently a member of the United 
Klans of America? 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reasons that I honestly feel that my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Pool. What was his answer ? 

The Chairman. He declined. 

Mr. Pool. On what ground ? 

Tlie Chairman. The fifth amendment. 

Mr. Chalmers. It is the same. 

Mr. Pool. Would you state your answer again ? 

Let him state his answer again. 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel that my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you have held the position of exalted 
Cyclops, or president, of the Keystone Club, which is a Klan cover name 
of a Klavern in Henderson, North Carolina. 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr, Pool. Mr. Chairman, could w^e stipulate on that to save time ? 



2008 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chairmax. That is up to his counsel. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, the committee received in response to a 
subpena duces tecum of the First National Bank of Henderson, North 
Carolina, an account maintained by that bank in the name of the 
Keystone Club, P.O. Box 1069, Henderson, North Carolina. 

Together with the ledger cards and canceled checks, there was sub- 
mitted certain signature cards, which is the authority of the bank to 
issue checks on any two and three signers listed on these cards. The 
first one I show you is dated September 11, 1964, which contains the 
names of R. L. Reaves, J. R. Hicks, B. W. Rivers. 

I show you this card and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that this is the official signature card and that 
the three names read to you were officers of that organization. 

^Document handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel. ) 

Mr. Reaa-es. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Reaves Exhibit No. 1" appears on 
p. 2009.) 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. I shoAv you a second signature card which revised the 
first and was effective December 18, 1964, containing the signatures of 
Robert L. Reaves, James L. Ranes, and B. W. Rivers. 

I hand you this card and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that these three names, three individuals, were 
officers of the Keystone Club, a cover organization for the Klan. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

( Witness confers with counsel. ) 

Mr. REA^'ES. I resj^ectfully decline to answer that quesion based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Reaves Exhibit No. 2" appears on 
p. 2009.) 

Mr. Appell. I show you a third signature card dated July 9, 1965, 
for the Keystone [Club] Welfare Fund, containing the signatures 
"Robert L. Reaves," "James L. Ranes," and ask you, as of July — I put 
it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that as of 
July 9, 1965, the two names appearing on the card were known to you 
as officers of the Keystone Club. 

( Document handed to witness. ) 

(Witness confers with counsel. ) 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully^ decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Reaves Exhibit No. 3'' appears on 
p. 2010.) 

Mr. Appell. I hand you an application blank for the rental of 
Post Office Box 1069 which, according to the bank records, is the of- 
ficial mailing address of the Keystone Club. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
Wayne Rivers, in making application for this post office box, did so 
for a Klan of the United Klans of America. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Reaves Exhibit No. 4" appears on 
p. 2010.) 



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Mr. Appell. Mr. Cliairman, for the purpose of establishing the Key- 
stone Chib as a club of the Klan, I desire to exhibit to Mr. Reaves at 
this time a check dated July 12, 1965, made payable to the "Alb Eestcue 
[sic] Service" in the amount of $36.50, with the rubber stamp appear- 
ing over the names of the cosigners. Keystone Club, Henderson, North 
Carolina, James L. Ranes, Robert L. Reaves, cosigners. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
this check was forwarded to the Alabama Rescue Service as indicated 
by the endorsement that appears on the reverse thereof as payment 
of imperial tax by the Keystone Club. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Reaves Exhibit No. 5" appears on p. 
2012.) 

Mr. Appell. For the same purpose, Mr. Chairman, I exhibit a check 
dated July 12, 1965, payable to J. R. Jones in the amomit of $18.25, 
with the rubber stamp above the cosigners' names of Keystone Club, 
Henderson, North Carolina, James L. Ranes, Robert L. Reaves, with 
the endorsement of J. R. Jones, which was deposited to the joint bank 
account of Mr, and Mrs. J. R. Jones. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Docmnent marked "Robert. Reaves Exhibit No. 6"' appears on p. 
2013.) 

The Chairman. Did you know when you sent that check that Mr. 
and Mrs. Jones would deposit that money to their personal account 
instead of to the North Carolina Realm account ? 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, the First National Bank of Henderson, 
North Carolina, forwarded us copies of the debit items which appeared 
in their ledger records at the time the subpena was served upon them. 

As to checks dating back to 1964, the bank prepared from the Recor- 
dak copies maintained by the bank duplicates of checks drawn against 
the account of the Keystone Club. According to the records presented 
to the committee by the bank, certified copies of checks issued by the 
Keystone Club, a check was issued on June 9, 1965, to Sears, Roe- 
buck & Company in the amount of $85.98. The purpose for which 
drawn is shown as "Radios." 

I exhibit this copy of a check to Mr. Reaves and ask Mr. Reaves if 
he knows it to be a true copy of a check which he cosigned. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Reaves Exhibit No. 7" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, I desire to ask you, and I do ask you, 
whether or not the radios could have been, by any chance, citizens band 
radios? 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



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Mr. Appell. Do you possess knowledge of the use of citizens band 
radios for the purpose of carrying out Klan activities in the State of 
North Carolina ? 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Reaves, do you presently hold the position of grand 
kladd or conductor for the Realm of North Carolina, United Klans of 
America ? 

Mr. Reaves. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions to ask 
of this witness. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from his 
subpena. 

Call the next witness. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call as the next witness 
Charles Douglas Deese. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God? 

Mr. Deese. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF CHARLES DOUGLAS DEESE, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. Would you state your full name for the record, please ? 

Mr. Deese. Charles Douglas Deese. 

Mr. Appell. Would you spell your last name ? 

Mr. Deese. D-e-e-s-e. 

Mr. Appell. Are you popularly known as Bud Deese ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel that the answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights guaranteed me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, may I say this, sir: The subpena 
reads "Charles Bud Deese" and I will stipulate what the subpena 
shows. 

The Chairman. All right. Thank you very much. 

Mr. Appell. When and where were you born, Mr. Deese ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4 and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chalmers, I do not think I have identified you. 

Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Deese. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Would counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, jr., attorney at law, Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Deese, would you give the committee your em- 
ployment background ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question for rea- 
sons that I honestly feel that my answer might tend to incriminate 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2015 

me ill violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of tlie United States of America. 

Mr. AppeiJv. Mr. Deese, the subpena served upon you at 11:15 
o'clock a.m. on the lltli day of October 19(55 commands you to bring 
with you and to produce before the committee : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. and affiliated or- 
ganizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Realm (State) of North Caro- 
lina, in your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available 
to you as a former officer. Realm (State) of North Carolina, of the Invisible Em- 
pire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America. Inc., also known 
as the United Klansi of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. Deese. I respect- 



Mr. Appell. I ask you to produce those documents as called for in 
the subpena. 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Reso- 
lution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all doc- 
uments and records as demanded by the committee in a subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so, the 
same might tend to incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaran- 
teed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of 
the United States of America. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, I take it that the stipulation made 
heretofore in the following form : (1) That the witness has been fur- 
nished a copy of the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, 
and that he is familiar with its contents; and (2) that the direction of 
the subpena to produce the documents called for are made to the wit- 
ness in the official representative capacity described in the subpena. 

Is that correct ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. I take it that your client understands that the order 
I am about to make has the meaning that the committee does not 
agree with his right to invoke the privilege of the fifth amendment 
and that so far as we are concerned, from our point of view, he is 
subject to a contempt citation. 

Mr. Chalmers, Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. I order and direct you to produce those documents. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to produce those documents for 
the reasons heretofore given. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Deese, the committee investigation established that 
on January 26, 1964, you were elected grand kligrapp, or secretary, 
of the Realm of North Carolina, United Klans of America. I put it 



2016 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that you were so 
elected. 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question for reasons 
that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in viola- 
tion of my rights guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 
of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Deese, a memorandum of committee investigator 
McConnon, relating to an interview with Arthur C. Leonard, sets forth 
that Mr. Leonard advised him that you were arrested in Asheboro, 
North Carolina, during a Negro demonstration for carrying a con- 
cealed weapon. 

Is the information given by Mr. Leonard true or false? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, after reading the exhibit to the wit- 
ness, I would like to exhibit a document obtained from the Asheboro 
Police Department, Asheboro, North Carolina, called an Arrest Report. 

Mr. Chairman, there has been a hole punched through the month, 
but I think the month is properly August 15, 1964. At 4:10 p.m., 
Case No. 15034; name, Charles Douglas Deese; date of birth, 8-21-31 ; 
age, 32 : address, Route 7, Box 230, Salisbury, North Carolina ; occu- 
pation, M&M truck, Greensboro; offense: (1) Carrying a concealed 
weapon; (2) interfering with an officer performmg his duty ; (3) caus- 
ing a riot; (4) using indecent and prof ane language. 

The report reads : 

At above time and date while assisting in the arrest of demonstrators on Sun- 
set Avenue, front of Little Castle, Mr. Deese called someone — 

And I quote this — 

a Son of a Bitch. Arrested him and after placing him in car he i>assed a .22 
cal[iber] pistol to Edward D. Powell. There was about 100 i>ersons at the scene 
of the demonstrations and after subject was placed in jail. 

Warrant was before C. O. Bulla (J.P.) Bond set at $1,000. Bond signed by 
Bailright Bonding Co., To be tried 3-17-64. 

It must be 2-17. 

I show you this report of arrest, Mr. Deese, and ask you if you have 
any comment to make upon that document. 

(Document was handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Chalmers. I don't think that is a question. You asked if he 
had any comment. 

The Chairman. Is the charge, the report of arrest, true or false? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was the cost of the bail bond put up by the Bailright 
Bonding Company, paid by Grand Dragon James R. Jones? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. According to the police department, James R. Jones 
was seen in the vicinity several times on the day of your arrest. Was 
he present there with you ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2017 

Mr. Appell. Do you kiiow a Paul E. Bailey ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did j^ou have in your possession at, the time of arrest a 
KKK membership card with $10 in the name of Paul E. Bailey ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell, The man that you passed the pistol to, Edward D. Pow- 
ell, do you know him to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Deese, was that the first arrest of you by officers, 
law enforcement oflB^cers? 

Mr. Deese, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. On December 18, 1962, were you arrested for the assault 
on a female, discharged upon the payment of a $25 fine ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, at your suggestion, I think it would be 
better to read into the record 

The Chairman. You don't have to read it, but sum it up. 

Mr. Appell. The certified copy of the clerk of Superior Court, 
Rowan County, Salisbury, North Carolina, shows Graham Snider and 
Margie Hinceuias. According to the same record, assault on female, 
6-22-65, Sue Blume, guilty, discharged upon payment of costs. 

I ask you if that record as reported on the certified copy of the court 
record is factual ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I read another entry on this, Mr. Deese, which reads : 
" B, & E. L. & R." — breaking and entry, larceny and robbery as I in- 
terpret it — "Guilty — Let the defendant be confined in the Central 
Prison for not less than 5 nor more than 7 yrs. to be assigned to hard 
labor as provided by law." 

There were two additional pleas to this case and the 5 to 7 years 
were suspended for 4 vears, not to violate any law^s of North Carolina. 
That is dated 11-21-51. 

I ask you if that is factual? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Did you serve the time as stated in the order? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Deese, do you know if you were investigated by 
the Ku Klux Klan by their investigative procedure at the time they 
accepted you into this organization ? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. What was the question? 

Mr. Appell. Whether or not they investigated his background at 
the time they accepted him into the organization. 



2018 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

I ask you wlietlier you know if they possessed knowledge of your 
background at the time they elected you to the office of secretary for 
the Realm of Xorth Carolina, or kligrapp of the realm. 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. "Wliile the questions are perfectly obvious, I will 
point out in my opening statement I said that one of the subjects to be 
inquired into would be the type of people in position of leadership in 
Klan organizations. 

Mr. ArpELL. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

Mr. AsHBROOK. Mr. Witness, have you at any time received ad- 
monishment from the Grand Dragon, Mr. Jones, of your State, as to 
violence, as to any of the matters which brought you into contact with 
the police, which meant charges against you? 

At any time, has there been any efforts to admonish you about this 
type of contact? 

Mr. Deese. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
grounds previously stated. 

Tlie Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from the 
subpena. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call Robert Hudgins. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF ROBERT EUGENE HUDGINS, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. Would you state your full name for the record, please, 
sir? 

Mr. Hudgins. Robert E. Hudgins. 

Mr. Appell. Are you appearing here today in accordance with a 
subpena served upon you at 4:30 p.m., on the 11th day of October, 
1965, at Cary, North Carolina? 

Mr. Hudgins. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Hudgins. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel please identify himself for the record, 
please ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, when and where were you born ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason I honestl.y feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in viohition of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the Unite-d States of America. 

The Chairman. How in the world could a disclosure of when and 
where you were born incriminate you ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2019 

Mr. HuDGiNs. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in ^•iolation of my ri^rhts as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
■i, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Tlio Chairman. Do you understand that the only justification for 
invoking the privilege of the fifth amendment is an honest belief on 
the part, of the person iuAoking it that a truthful answer might in- 
criminate him? 

Mr. HuDGiNs. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell, Mr. Hudgins, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were born on August 2, 1933, in Vance 
Comity, North Carolina. 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Will you set forth your employment background ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Are you still a salesman for Southern Foods, Inc., 
Greensboro, North Carolina? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, under the provisions of the subpena 
served upon you on October 11, 1965, you were commanded to bring 
with you and to produce before the committee items contained on an 
attaclmient which was made a part of the subpena. 

Paragraph 1 reads: 

All books, records, doouments, correspondence, and memoranda relatinfr to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
the Unite<l Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Realm (State) of North 
Carolina, Capital City Restoration Association, Province #4. Realm (State) of 
North Carolina, in your possession, custody or control, or nmintained by you or 
available to you as Imperial Kladd 

The Chairman. What is a Kladd again? 
Mr. Appell. Conductor, 

— United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Grand Titan. 
Province #4, Realm (State) of North Carolina, and as an officer of the Capital 
City Restoration A.ssociation of the Invisible Empire. Unite<l Klans. Knights of 
the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc.. also known as United Klans of America, 
Inc.. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you to produce tlie documents called for in part 1 of the 
subjDena. 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
any and all records as requested by this committee under subpena 
dated October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and 
germane to the subject under investigation and the same w^ould not 
aid the Congress in the consideration of any valid remedial legisla- 

59-222 O— 67— pt. 2 5 



2020 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

tion, nor is such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be 
investigated by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, 
by House Resolution 8j adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any aud all 
documents and records as commanded 'by the committee in a subpena 
dated October 11, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so, 
the same might tend to incriminate me in violation of my rights as 
guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution 
of the United States of America. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, the same stipulation that you have 
heretofore read we stipulate to. 

The Chairman. Each witness must contain at least one readmg. 

The stipulation reads as follows: (1) That the witness has been 
furnished a copy of the chainnan's opening statement of October 19, 
1965, and that he is familiar with its contents; (2) that the directions 
of the subpena to produce the documents called for are made to the 
witness in the official representative capacity described in the subi^ena. 

That stipulation is made? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated; yes, sir. 

Mr. Chairman. I order and direct you to produce those documents, 
wliich means that we do not agree this time that you have a right to 
invoke tlie fifth amendment, and, therefore, that you may be sub- 
jected to the citation for contempt. 

(Witness confers Avith counsel.) 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents for 
the reasons heretofore stated. 

The Chairman. I meant to say it was rejected for all the grounds 
indicated in your opening statement. 

Do you understand that ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir; I think the Chairman and myself under- 
stand very clearly. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, part 2 of the subpena calls upon you 
to bring with you and to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Imperial Kladd, United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 
Grand Titan, Province #4, Realm (State) of North Carolina, and as an oflJcer of 
the Capital City Restoration Association of the United Klans of America, Inc.. 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said orga- 
nization authorize and require to bo maintained by you, and any other oflScer 
of said organization, the same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I ask you to produce those documents. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Hudgins. I decline to produce those records and documents 
based upon the gi'ounds heretofore stated. 

The Chairman. And the same stipulation we just made applies? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Therefore, I order and direct you to produce those 
documents. 

Mr. Hudgins, I respectfully refuse to produce those records and 
documents based upon the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, are you presently a member of the Ku 
Klux Klan ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE "U.S. 



2021 



Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, I hand you a copy of an application for 
a Post Office Box, No. 10484. The application reads : "Name of appli- 
cant, Robert E. Hudgins; name of firm or corporation, Capital City 
Restoration Association ; kind of business, Civic and Fraternal Orga- 
nization; business address, Same; liome address, 411 Dorothy Drive, 
Cary, North Carolina." It is signed Robert E. Hudgins. 

I hand you this document and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that it is your signature that is contained on 
that application. 

(Witness confers with counsel. ) 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 1"' follows:) 

Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 1 



FOR 

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The Chairman. "What does the Capital City Restoration Associa- 
tion restore ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. How can a restoration association be a civic and 
fraternal organization ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2022 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chaiioian. Isn't the Capital City Restoration Association 
simply a front or a cover name for a Kla vern or a Klan unit ? 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Why do you have to resort to adopting phony 
names for a Klan organization if it is a valid civic and fraternal 
organization? 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. AYeltner. Mr. Chairman ? 

The Chairman. Mr.Weltner. 

Mr. Weltner. To refresh my memory, am I correct in thinking 
that the grand titan is the leader of the subdivision within the realm 
known as a province, which coincides with a congressional district? 

The Chairman. He is the Imperial Kladd. 

Mr. Weltner. I note in the subpena duces tecum this witness 
was required to produce certain records of Province No. 4 in North 
Carolina. I notice that the Province 4 coincides with the congressional 
district, does it not ? 

Mr. Appell. a province, sir ? 

Mr. Weltner. What is the investigator's information as to the 
geographical extent of Province No. 4 for North Carolina? 

Mr. Appell. I have not looked up the boundaries of that district, 
sir. 

The Chairman. It is in the record as an exhibit on the first day of 
the liearing. 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. And again, to straighten the record out, 
the staff might have made an error in drafting the subpena. I think 
it is a typographical error. I think it should have read Province 5 
instead of Province 4, sir. 

Mr. AVeltner, Is it the committee's information tliat this witness 
is the grand titan of a province within the Realm of North Carolina 
ofUKA? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. In addition to beino; Imijerial Kladd and grand 
kladd? 

Mr. Appell. Not the grand kladd. 

Mr. Weltner. Imperial Kladd ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. That is the title ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Will counsel stipulate that that should be Province 
5 instead of Province 4 in the subpena ? 

Mr. Chalmers. If it is within my province to stipulate. I have no 
knowledge, Mr. Chairman. I imagine sometime the chairman will 
take a recess this afternoon and we can discuss that. 

The Chairman. All right. We will take a recess for 5 minutes. 

(Whereupon, at 3:50 p.m., the subcommittee recessed and recon- 
^'ened at 3 :59 p.m., all subcommittee members being present at time 
of recess and when hearings resumed.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will please come to order. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2023 

Tlie Cliair states that during the recess the committee cliecked its 
files and found out that the subpena properly describes the geographi- 
cal territory iuA'olved. 

Therefore, no stipulation is necessary. 

Proceed. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, the committee obtained through a 
subpena duces tecum from the Wachovia Bank and Trust Company, 
Kaleigh, North Carolina, the records relating to a checking account 
for the Capital City Restoration Association, P.O. Box 10484, Raleigh, 
North Carolina. 

I hand you one of the documents presented by the bank which 
sliows that the account was opened on 7-10-64 in the name of the 
Capital City Restoration Association, and that the authorized signa- 
tures to this account, with both signatures required on cliecks, are 
Harold Gunter and Rober't E. Hudgins. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to afRrm or deny this fact, 
that the signature contained on the signature card is your signature. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 2" follows:) 

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Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Harold Gunter was the treasurer or klabee of the 
Capital City Restoration Association. 

Mr. Hudgins. I resjject fully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2024 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a signature card dated 2-16-65 contain- 
ing the signatures Robert E. Hudgins and Joseph G. Marshburn, and 
I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
Joseph G. Marshburn replaced Harold Gunter as treasurer or klabee 
of the Capital City Restoration Association. 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 3'' follows:) 

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Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like to read into the record a 
letter dated Februaiy 16, 1965, addressed to the Wachovia Bank and 
Trust Company, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

(The following letter marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 4*' was 
then read by Mr. Appell :) 



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The Chairman. Is there a question ? 

Mr. Appell. No question, sir. I just desired to read it into the 
record. 

Mr. Hudgins, I ask you on the date effective May 12, 1965, if Thomas 
E. Nichols rephxced Joseph — I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affrm or deny the fact, that Thomas E. Nichols replaced Joseph G. 
Marshburn as treasurer or klabee of the Capital City Restoration 
Association. 

Mr. Hudgins. I resi^ectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2026 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and. ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that as of the date of May 12, 1965, Willie E. Norris was 
secretary or kligrapp of the Capital City Restoration Association. 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respeotfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I desire to read, into the record a 
letter dated May 12, 1965, addressed to the Wachovia Bank and Trust 
Company, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

(The following letter, marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 5," was 
read by Mr. Appell :) 

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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2027 

Mr. Ari'ELL. Mr. Hudgins, I put it to you as a fact, aud ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you Avere elected Imi)erial Kladd of the 
United Khms of America, Inc., Knig-lits of the Ku Khix Klan, at a 
klonvokation held in Birmin<>ham, AlaUama, on September 5-6, 1964. 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously staled. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to 3'ou as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Wayne Shaver, of Nortli Carolina, was a member of the 
nominating committee which nominated you to office. 

Mr. HuDGixs. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, did there build up within the Realm of 
North Carolina a disagreement between you and Marshall Kornegay 
over the conduct of affairs of the Eealm of North Carolina ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

JNIr. xVppell. Wasn't Mr. Kornegay going around the State making 
derogatory statements against you to members of Klaverns w'hicli you 
served ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, for the purpose of establishing the fact 
that the Capital City Restoration Association is a Klavem of the 
United Klans of America, I hand Mr. Hudgins two qhecks, one dated 
July 21, 1965, in the amount of $7.25 ; one dated August 5, 1965, in the 
amount of $7.75. Both checks are imprinted checks of the Capital 
City Restoration Association. They are both payable to J. R. Jones. 
They both show — on the July check that it is June t.ax, on the August 
check that it is July tax, and they both contain the signature of Mr. 
Hudgins. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
these checks were paid to J. R. Jones for the per capita assessment 
against the membership of the Capital City Restoration Association, a 
Klan within the Realm of North Carolina. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibits Nos. 6-A and 6-B," 
respectively.) 

Mr. Appell. For the same purpose, Mr. Chairman, I hand to the 
witness only one of many checks. This is a check dated July 21, 1965, 
an imprinted check of the Capital City Restoration Association, 
payable to the Alabama Rescue Service, in the amount of $14.50, the 
purpose for which drawn is June tax. The signature of Robert E. 
Hudgins apj)ears thereon. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
this check was drawn to pay the imperial tax of the Capital City 
Restoration Association, a Klan of the United Klans of America. 

(Witness confers with comisel.) 

(Document marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 7." Exhibits 
6-A, 6-B, and 7 follow:) 



2028 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2029 

The Chairman. This is a disbursement to the North Carolina 
Reahn? 

Mr. ArPELL. The hist check was to the imperiaL The earlier 
checks were to the state. 

Mr. Hiidgins, are you the holder of an ATU gun license ? 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. By ATU, do you mean Alcohol Tax Unit ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. They administer and enforce the Federal 
Firearms Act. 

Mr. Weltner. That is a license issued by the Treasury Department 
of the United States Government ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

(At this point Mr. Ashbrook left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of an application for license (Fed- 
eral Firearms Act), dated June 8, 1964, signed Robert E. Hudgins. 

I ask you if you executed this document ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 8" appears on 
p. 2030.) 

(At this point Mr. Ashbrook returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Do you maintain adequate records as required by the 
law for the sale of weapons ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Are you a source of supply of weapons to Klansmen 
or to the general public ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The address on this document, 411 Dorothy Drive, is 
that your residence, and does it also contain a gunshop ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Have your records of sales been examined by the Alco- 
hol Tax Unit within the last 3 months ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, on August 14, 1964, a cross was burned 
on the lawn of the Governor's mansion, then occupied by Governor 
Terry Sanf ord. 

Do you possess any knowledge of that cross-burning ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Were you interviewed by agents of the State Bureau 
of Investigation as to whether or not you did participate in the cross- 
burning ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did you disavow any connection with the Ku Klux 
Klan 

Mr. Hudgins. Would you repeat the question ? 



2030 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S, 

Robert Hudgins Exhibit No. 8 



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both (15 UPC 905).) 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2031 

Mr. Appell. Did you in an interview by Senior Agent H. Starling, 
of the State Bureau of Investigation, deny or disavow any connec- 
tion with the Ku Khix Klan ? 

Mr. HuDGixs. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the groimds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you know Clyde Webster ? 

Mr. HuDGixs. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Were you questioned as to whether or not Clyde Web- 
ster assisted you in the burning of that cross ? 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. On the 23d of February 1965 in front of the Rev- 
erend Frank Hutchins' home, 913 South East Street, Raleigh, a cross 
was burned. 

Do you possess any knowledge of the burning of that cross in front 
of the residence of the Reverend Frank Hutchins, who was Pastor 
of the East Davies Street Presbyterian Church ? 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, other than aside from the fact that you 
have a giui license, do you personally own an M-1 carbine, two .303 
British Enfield rifles, two shotguns, a 12-gauge and a 20-gauge, and a 
.38 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver ? 

Do you own them, sir ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Appell. Mr. Hudgins, there has been much information placed 
into this record about the maintenance of a security guard by the 
United Klans of America. I JDut it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that prior to the adoption of the Constitution 
and Laws in September 1964, the United Klans of America was orga- 
nized along military lines with the Imperial Wizard being the com- 
mander in chief. 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Appell, On February 21, 1965, at a State meeting, at the same 
time you were reelected titan of Province No, 4, were you appointed 
a lieutenant colonel in the State security guard ? 

Mr, Hudgins, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Would you permit me to ask a question ? 

I see from the report on which Mr. Appell questioned you awhile 
ago — and this may be repetitious but I want to ask a question — 
the report indicates you had an M-1 carbine, two .303 British rifles, 
two shotguns, a 12-gauge and a 20-gauge, a .30 caliber Smith and 
Wesson revolver, and various tear gas pens. 

Do you use these guns or any of tliem for Klan activities? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2032 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chairman. Do you use these various tear gas pens as described 
in this document for Klan activities? 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, we have observed during our investiga- 
tion that at times members of the security guard do carry arms. 

Do they purchase these arms through you or do you obtain them — 
well, let me ask that question first. 

Do they purchase them through you ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The committee's information was that you were em- 
ployed by General Foods, yet you are the holder of an ATU gun 
license. 

Did you apply for a gun license in order to facilitate Klansmen 
getting arms more easily than going through any non-Klan gun- 
licensed dealer? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. And according to our records, he is the Imperial 
Kladd? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. And what position does he hold in the realm or 
the state level? 

Mr. Appell. Titan is the man in charge of the Klans within a con- 
gressional district. 

In Greensboro and Snow Hill, North Carolina, during the months 
of May and June 1963, there was picketing of the McDonald ham- 
burger stand in Greensboro, several theaters, and the S & W cafeteria. 

Did you, Clyde Webster, George Dorsett, and others take an active 
part, as an officer of the Klan, in these demonstrations? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, during the interrogation of Mr. Korne- 
gay, we discussed the hospital-surgical policies that were issued in the 
name of the Capital City Restoration Association and affiliated groups. 

When that plan was being presented in the fall of 1964, did you 
participate in tlie formation of the plan whereby it became known as 
the Capital City Restoration Association and Affiliated Groups 
Policy? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. It is the committee's information gained during the 
investigation that a portion of the first month's premium was to go 
back to the Klavern and a portion go towards the payment of expenses 
of Grand Dragon Jones. 

According to the report of commissions paid to Mr. Kornegay, he 
received commissions in the amount of $3,562.74. 

I ask you wdiat amount of those commissions which he received went 
to Mr. Jones or to any of the Klaverns, including the Capital City 
Restoration Association ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2033 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. An examination of the applications showed that some 
affiliated organizations in this program were the Harnett County Im- 
provement Association, New Hanover Comity Improvement Associa- 
tion, Town & Country Sportsmens Club, Warren County Improvement 
Association, Halifax County Sportsmens Club, Unit No. 55, Unit 
No. 23, Unit No. 38, Limestone Fishing Club, and the Keystone Fish- 
ing Club. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the only affiliation between these names and the Capital City Restora- 
tion Association is the fact that each and every one, including the 
Capital City Restoration Association, is a Klan group in areas distrib- 
uted throughout the State of North Carolina. 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the majority of the applicants for insurance who signed 
their miit name to be the Capital City Restoration Association were 
not and had never been members of the Capital City Restoration Asso- 
ciation as an entity, and I ask you to affirm or deny that statement of 
fact. 

Mr. HuDGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, the committee has information that you 
are the holder of a citizens band radio license. Is that information 
correct ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Appell. Would you advise the committee what use is made of 
citizens band radios in the carrying out of actions and activities of the 
Ku Klux Klan in the Realm of North Carolina ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. As a matter of fact, Mr. Hudgins, you hold two 
licenses, one KKK 7906, and the other KGH 280. I put it to you as 
a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that they are your call 
numbers assigned you under your application ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Hudgins, were you responsible for organizing in 
the Raleigh, North Carolina, area, a very exclusive unit of the Klan 
which is known by the designation of No. 100 ? 

Mr. Hudgins. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions to ask 
this witness. 

Mr. Weltner. What is the staff's information concerning the nature 
of this exclusive Klan organization known as 100? 

Mr. Appell. It is the committee's infoniiation that this exclusive 
unit w^as one whereby the membership of it would be permitted to 



2034 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

visit any Klavern within the State of North Carolina, but that no 
member not a member of that Klaveni could visit Klavern No. 100. 

It is a tight security Klaveni. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you. 

The Chairman. Are there any other questions from the committee? 

If not, the witness is excused and is released from his subpena. 

The committee will stand in recess until 10 o'clock tomorrow morn- 
ing. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, Weltner, Ashbrook, and Buchanan.) 

(Wliereupon, at 4:33 p.m., Tuesday, October 2G, 1965, the subcom- 
mittee recessed, to reconvene at 10 a.m., Wednesday, October 27, 1965.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS 
IN THE UNITED STATES 

Part 2 



WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 1965 

United States House of Eepresentatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee ox Ux-American Activities, 

Washington, B.C. 

public hearings 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities 
met, piirsiuant to recess, at 10:15 a.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon 
House Office Building, Washington, D.C., Hon. Joe R. Pool presiding. 

(Subcommittee members: Representatives Edwin E. Willis, of 
rx>uisiana, chairman; Joe R. Pool, of Texas; Charles L. Weltner, of 
Georgia; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio; and John H, Buchanan, Jr., of 
Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present : Representatives Pool, Weltner, 
and Ashbrook. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; William 
Hitz, general counsel ; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel ; Donald T. Appell, 
chief investigator; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

Mr. Pool. The subcommittee will come to oraer. 

For the information of the press, Mr. Willis will not be here today 
and I am presiding in his place. 

Mr. Appell, will you call your next witness ? 

Mr. Appell. George Franklin Dorsett. 

Mr. Pool. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to 
give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the tiaith, 
so help you God ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I affirm. 

Mr. Pool. Do you solemnly affirm that the testimony you are about 
to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, 
you so affirm ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF GEORGE FRANKLIN DORSETT, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Pool. Go ahead, Mr. Appell. 

Mr. Appell. Would you state your full name for the record, please, 
sir? 
Mr. Dorsett. George F. Dorsett. 

2035 

59-222 O — 67 — pt. 2 6 



2036 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Are you appearing before the committee this morning 
in accordance with a subpena sen-ed upon you at 1 o'clock p.m. on 
the 15th day of October 1965 by Deputy Marshal Crems ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, when and where were you born? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Were you born 48 years ago in St. Louis, Missouri? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Would you give the committee a resume of your educa- 
tional background ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Isn't it a fact that if we use today's terminology, you 
would be known as a dropout ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. AYould you give the committee a complete resume of 
your employment background ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Isn't it a fact that your principal background, em- 
ployment background, is that of a house painter ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, the subpena served upon you commanded 
you to bring v/ith you and to produce before said committee items 
called for in two paragraphs. Paragraph 1 reads : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and m,.moranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Kn Xlux Klan of America, Inc.. also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Realm (State) of North 
Carolina, Province # 5, Realm (State) of North Carolina, in .vour possession, 
custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as Imperial Kludd 
(Chaplain) United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Grand 
Titan, Province # 5, Realm (State) of North Carolina, and as, an employee of 
Realm (State) of North Carolina of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the United Klans of America, 
Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2037 

I ask you to produce the documents called for by paragi-aph 1 of the 
subpena. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
any and all records as requested by this committee under the subpena 
dated October 15, 1965, for that information is not relevant and ger- 
mane to the subject under investigation and the same would not aid 
the Congress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor 
is such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I resj^ectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all 
documents as demanded by the committee in the subpena dated 
October 15, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so 
might tend to incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed 
to me by the amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the 
United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chariman, I ask that the witness be directed to 
])roduce the documents. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Chalmers ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, I think the stipulations that have 
heretofore been entered with respect to the chairman's order we can 
make with respect to this witness also. 

Mr. Pool. I will read the stipulation: (1) That the witness has 
been furnished a copy of the chairman's opening statement of October 
19, 1965, and he is familiar w^ith its contents; (2) that the directions 
of the subpena to produce the documents called for are made to the 
witness in the official representative capacity described in the subpena. 

Is that the stipulation ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir; that is the same one we have heretofore 
entered. That is stipulated with respect to this witness also. 

Mr. Pool. And you agree to it ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Dorsett, I direct you to produce the records called 
for in paragraph 1 of the subpena. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to deliver to this committee 
any and all records as requested by this committee under the subpena 
dated October 15, 1965, for that information is not relevant and 
germane to the subject under investigation and the same would not 
aid the Congress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, 
nor is such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investi- 
gated by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all 
documents as demanded by the committee in the subpena dated Octo- 
ber 15, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might 
tend to incriminate me in the violation of my rights as guaranteed to 
me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United 
States of America. 

Mr. Pool. Your objection is overruled. 

Do you care to make any further answer ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Pool. Proceed, Mr. Appell. 



2038 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, under part 2 of the siibpena, you are 
commanded to bring with you and to produce the documents described 
as follows : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Imperial Kludd (Chaplain) United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Kii 
Klux Klan, Grand Titan, Province #5, Realm (State) of North Carolina, and as 
an employee of Realm (State) of North Carolina, of the United Klans of America, 
Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said 
organization authorize and require to be maintained by you and any other officer 
of said organization, the same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I ask you to produce those documents called for by your subpena. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
any and all records requested by the committee under the subpena 
dated October 15, 1965, based on the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Chalmers, the same stipulation that I read a while 
ago is agreeable for this particular paragraph? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I ask for a demand for the production. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Dorsett, I direct you to produce the books, records, 
and documents and other items called for under paragraph 2 of the 
subpena. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to produce the documents re- 
quested based on the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Pool. Your objection is overruled. If you don't care to make 
any further statement, we will proceed. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, when did vou tirst become a member of 
the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. DoRSETTT. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 
1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Wasn't your first Klan affiliation with a Klan group 
known as the North Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan which 
was headed in 1958 by James W. "Catfish" Cole ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that as a member of that organization you were the 
grand kludd or chaplain. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, on January 18, 1958, the North Carolina 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan scheduled a rally at Maxton, North 
Carolina, in spite of warnings by the local sheriff that he lacked the 
manpower to put down a riot should one occur. 

On the night of the rally, an estimated 50 to 75 Klansmen gathered 
around Grand Wizard Cole carrying shotguns, rifles, and pistols. 
Before the rally started, an estimated 1000 Lumbee Indians gathered 
along the edge of the highway, charged the unrobed Klansmen, and 
the rally did, in fact, turn into a riot. 

Were you one of the 50 to 75 Klansmen armed at that rally? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2039 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to iinswer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. As a result of the riot on April 8, 1959, Grand Wizard 
Cole was committed to jail in Lumberton, North Carolina, to begin 
serving an 18-to-24: month term for inciting the riot. 

During the imprisonment of Grand Wizard Cole, did you take 
over as the acting leader of the North Carolina Knights of the Ku 
Klux Klan? 

Mr. DoKSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon tlie grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, prior to the North Carolina Knights' 
encounter with the Lumbee Indians, many of the Klans or Klaverns 
of the North Carolma Knights had deserted that organization and 
affiliated with the U.S. Klans. 

Did you, in March 1960, acting as head of this organization, the 
North Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, attempt to win back 
to affiliation with the North Carolina Knights those Klans or Klaverns 
which had been lost to the other group ? 

Mr. DoKSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon tlie grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. When the North Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux 
Klan folded, is it a fact that Imperial Wizard Edwards, because of 
the knowledge he possessed of you, denied you membership in the 
U.S. Klans? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. With the breakup of the U.S. Klans following the 
death of Imperial Wizard Edwards, there was formed the United 
Klans of America growing out of a splinter of the old U.S. Klans. 
Did you then become affiliated with the United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did you become exalted cyclops of a United Klans 
Klavern in Greensboro, North Carolina ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that in Greensboro, North Carolina, today there is a Klan 
group, or Klavern, known as the Pinedale Saddle Club No. 10, whose 
officers are Jesse M. Swain and Milton Henderson ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
iiix)n the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. What was the name of that organization ? 

Mr. Appell. Pinedale Saddle Club No. 10. 

Mr. Weltner. Is that the major Klavern in the area in the United 
Klans of America within Greensboro County ? 

Mr. Appell. One of them, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. How many Klaverns are there in Greensboro County, 
North Carolina ? 

Mr. Appell. According to our information, that is in Guilford 
County. There is the Pinedale Saddle Club, Travelers Auxiliary No. 
10, and The Travelers Club. 



2040 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Weltner. Aiid each one of those is a Klaverii of the United 
Klans of America in Guilford County, North Carolina? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Dorsett, I hand you a copy of a check dated September 15, 
1965, which was obtained m accordance with a subpena duces tecum 
from the North Carolina National Bank, Greensboro, North Carolina. 

The check is an imprinted check, Pinedale Saddle Club, P.O. Box 
163, Pleasant Garden, North Carolina, dated, as I repeat myself, 
September 15, 1965, paid to the order of the Alabama Rescue Sendee, 
$7, signed Jesse M. Swain and Milton Henderson. 

I hand you this check and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the Alabama Rescue Serv'ice is a cover 
name for the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux 
Klan. 

(Witness confers with comisel.) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 1'' follows:) 

George Dorsett Exhibit No. 1 



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Mr. Appell. Within Greensboro, North Carolina, do you have a 
women's auxiliary known as the Travelers Auxiliary ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a check, Mr. Dorsett, imprinted Travelers 
Auxiliary, care of E. H. Hennis, Route No. 7, Box 237, Greensboro, 
North Carolina, dated September 8, 1965, payable to the Alabama 
Rescue Service, in the amount of $1.40, marked "Dues August 1965," 
signed Mrs. Margie H. Hennis and Thehna Trogden. 

I hand you this check and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the Alabama Rescue Service, the payee 
on this check, is a cover name for the United Klans of America. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document market "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 2" follows:) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 
George Dorsett Exhibit No. 2 



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Mr. Appell. Does the United Klans of America also liave a Klavern 
in Greensboro, North Carolina, known by the name of The Travelers 
Club? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you tAVo documents, one a signature card for 
The Travelers Club account, which shows that the authorized signa- 
tures to this account are Gary A. Dance and Hunter W. Starr and 
E. H. Hennis, whose name was referred to in the previous document ; 
and a copy of an imprinted check, The Travelers Club, Route No. 7, 
Box 237, Greensboro, North Carolina, dated September 9, 1965, paid 
to the order of the Alabama Rescue Service in the amount of $21, 
signed E. H. Hennis and Hunter W. Starr. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the Alabama Rescue Service, to whom the check was made 
payable, is a cover name for the United Klans of America. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "George Dorsett Exhibits Nos. ?>-A and 3-B,'' 
respectively, appear on p. 2042.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I ask at this point that documents 
exhibited to this witness or referred to in the interrogation of the wit- 
ness be admitted in evidence in the order in which they appear. 

Mr. Pool. It is so ordered. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, the committee's investigation establishes 
that on September 5 and 6, 1964, an Imperial Klonvokation or con- 
vention was held at the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel in Birmingham, 
Alabama. 

Did you attend that klonvokation or convention ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the groimds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of a request-for-registration card 
prepared by the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel which contains this informa- 
tion upon the preprinted form : 



2042 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

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"I will be attending the convention of the Alabama Rescue Service." 
I request four double bedrooms, the $8.50 rate. 

The name signed to this card is "George F. Dorsett,*' 1806 Trogdon 
Street, Greensboro, North Carolina. I hand you at the same time a 
copy of a handwritten note, Greensboro, North Carolina, August 29, 
1964: 

Dear Sir, 

Enclosed please find money order of $3u.3G for 4-double bed rooms @ $8.50 
each with 4% State Sales tax. Arrival September 5th (early) 
Departure September 6th (late) 

Thank You, 
/s/ George F. Dorsett 
1806 Trogdon St. 
Greensboro, N.C. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2043 



I asked you if you executed these documents and forwarded tliem to 
the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. DoKSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "George Dorsett Exhibits Nos. 4-A and 4-B," 
respectively. Exhibit 4-A follows; 4-B retained in committee files.) 

George Dorsett Exhibit No. 4-A 




MAKE YOUR HOTEL RESERVATIONS NOW! 



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Mr. Appell. I now hand you a copy of the actual hotel registration 
card, Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel, signed George Dorsett, 1806 Trogdon 
Street, Greensboro, North Carolina. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
you signed that registration card upon registering at the Dinkler- 
Tutwiler Hotel on September 5, 1964. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 5" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that as a result of the proceedings of the 
klonvokation or convention you were elected Imperial Kludd or 
chaplain; that Robert M. Shelton was unopposed and therefore elected 
to the office of Imperial Wizard, or president ; that Robert Collins was 
elected to the office of Imperial Klokard ; that R. Hudgins, of Raleigh, 
North Carolina, was elected to the office of Imperial Kladd ; that Wal- 
ter Brown, of Sumter, South Carolina, was elected to the position of 



2044 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Imperial Klarogo ; and that Robert Harmon, was elected to the office 
of Imperial Klexter. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. DoRSETT, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that the nominating committee which nominated you 
and others for office comprised in part Wayne Shaver, of North Caro- 
lina; William Daniel, of Georgia; Frank Nubert, of Tennessee; Paul 
Foster, of Mississippi ; J. L. Brown, of South Carolina ; James "\Vliite- 
field, Alabama. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that it was at this klonvokation that the imperial assessment 
payable to the imperial headquarters, national headquarters, was ap- 
proved by a vote of 163 for and 144 against. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. Have you further questions, Mr. Appell ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Dorsett, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that in addition to being the Imperial Kludd, or chaplain, 
you are titan of Province No. 5, comprising the boundaries of the Fifth 
Congressional District of North Carolina, for the United Klans of 
America, Realm of North Carolina. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that J. R. Jones is the Grand Dragon, Grady Mars, the 
Grand Klaliff; Fred Wilson, the grand treasurer or klabee; that Al 
Outlaw is the grand klarogo; that Boyd Hamby is the grand night- 
hawk, and I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were Grady Mai^' opponent for the office of Grand 
Klaliff, or vice president, and that Grady Mars was elected over you. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gi'ounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Appell, you are speaking here in each instance 
about officers of the Realm of North Carolina, designated by the 
prefix "Grand"? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that at the time you ran for the position of Klaliff, or vice president, 
that there was nominated for the position of klokard M. R. Kornegay, 
Jim Hackney, and Ray Woodle, with M. R. Kornegay elected. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2045 

Mr. Weltner. That is Roy Woodle, is it not ? 

Mr. Appell. Woodle. 

Mr. "Weltxer. Roy Woodle ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that at 
the same election there was nominated for the office of grand kludd 
Roy Woodle and Bill McCubbins, and that Roy Woodle was elected. 

1 put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds j^reviously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the State body, assembled in convention, granted to 
Grand Dragon Jones the authority to appoint the grand kligrapp, or 
secretary, and that he did in fact appoint Don Leazer to that position. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Fred Wilson was elected to the position of grand klabee, 
or treasurer, without opposition. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
u])on the grounds j^reviously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that there was nominated for the position of grand klarogo, 
Albert Outlaw, Wayne Rivers, and J. T. Shepard, with Albert Outlaw 
being elected. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Appell. I put it to you as a fact that there was nominated for 
the position of grand klexter, Joe Nonnan, Clarence Brindle, and Ray 
Tripp, with Clarence Brindle elected. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds j^reviously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact that Boyd Hamby was elected 
without opposition to the position of grand night-hawk. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I wonder if you could tell me, Mr. Dorsett, how it is 
that Boyd Hamby, who I understand is part Indian, was acceptable 
to you, be<^ause he was elected without opposition, when back in the 
days of your affiliation with the North Carolina Knights of the Ku 
Klux Klan that which brought upon the attack upon your organization 
by the Lumbee Indians was because your Klan of that day was burn- 
ing crosses in front of Indian residences because they were moving 
into white neighborhoods, or your Klan considered them to be frat- 
ernizing with white people. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. It was at the State convention at which you were 
elected or you were a nominee for the position of vice president or 



2046 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

klaliff, and it was announced to all concerned that the Constitution 
and the Laws of the United Klans of America were amended so that 
all imperial and grand officers would thereafter be elected for a period 
of 2 years. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. As the Imperial Kludd or chaplain of the organization, 
you, according to the Constitution and Laws, comprise the governing 
iDody referred to in the Constitution and Laws as the Kloncilium. 
"\^nien did the Kloncilium, who had authority under the Constitution 
and Laws, meet to make this change in the Constitution and Laws? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, the Greensboro, North Carolina, News of 
July 17, 1965, carries a story on the basis of an appearance of you as a 
speaker before the "O. Henry" Sertoma Club of Greensboro. This 
newspaper account dealing with your speech talks about what the Klan 
does. It quotes you as saying that there is within the Klan a Klan 
Bureau of Investigation : 

"The KBI investigates demonstrations and marches like the one on Selma, 
Alabama," Dorsett said. "We had agents in there taking pictures and making 
tape recordings. 

"And we investigate politicians to see if they're shady. Our aim is to pick out 
the right candidates and then get out a bloc vote." 

The "KBI" also investigates reports of interracial sexual activity, Dorsett 
said. He said "KBI" investigators had reported their findings to the police in 
several North Carolina cities. 

"But the police don't do anything ; their hands are tied," Dorsett said. 

Does this newspaper factually report some of your remarks during a 
speech made before the O'Henry Sertoma Club ? 

Mr. Pool. Let him look at the paper. 

Mr. Appell. I show you the article so that you might review it be- 
fore you answer. My quote starts in the next to the last column on the 
right-hand side as you look at it. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 6" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Dorsett, I notice that the headline says "Dorsett : 
Klan Ready To 'Save' The Nation." I guess you are going to put on 
sheets and burn crosses and save the Nation. Do you care to make a 
comment on that ? 

(No response.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, when you told the O'Henry Sertoma Club 
that the Klan's KBI makes certain investigations and that you report 
them to the police, who do nothing about them, does the Klnn, whicli 
proclaims itself to be a law enforcing organization then take the law 
into its own hands and threaten and intimidate these people? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. xVppell. The article goes on and says, Mr. Dorsett : 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2047 

Dorsett, a stocky, dark-haired man with a ruddy complexion, said he gets no 
salary from the Klan, and said he doesn't even get his expanses [sic] paid. He 
makes his living painting houses. 

Is that a factual quote, Mr. Dorsett? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I show you a series of checks, one in the amount of $100, 
and seven in the amount of $150 eacli on the imprinted check forms of 
the United Klans of America, countersigned by one of the three au- 
thorized signatures to that account, James R. Jones and Donald 
Leazer, or James R. Jones and Fred Wilson, each of these checks 
marked on their face ''Salary and Expense." 

I ask you, sir, if you are an unpaid organizer for the United Klans 
of America ? 

(Documents handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents previously marked "James Jones Exhibit No. 7-B." 
Seep. 1720.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, the first check is July 23, which is a few 
days following that newspaper story. I desire to ask you whether 
or not, prior to this first formal check being given to you, you re- 
ceived cash from the United Klans of America which was used by you 
as salary and expenses. 

Mr. Dorsett, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, we review many press clippings which 
quote you and other Klan officials, but quote you more directly than 
others about what the Klan is going to do, and a great emphasis is 
placed by you in your speeches about communism. 

What knoM'ledge do you possess about communism in any of its 
phases, organization, structure, anything else? What knowledge do 
you possess ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. Ask him what knowledge he might have about nazism. 
That might be more appropriate. 

I will ask him. 

What knowledge do you have about nazism. Hitler? Have you 
read books and things like that ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. Go ahead. 

There is no use staring at me. You are not scaring me one bit. 

The committee w411 stand in recess for 3 minutes. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Pool, Weltner, and Ashbrook.) 

(Whereupon, at 11 :08 a.m., a brief recess was taken.) 

(Subcommittee members present after a brief recess at 11:11 a.m.: 
Representatives Pool, Weltner, and Ashbrook.) 

Mr. Pool. The subcommittee will come to order. 



2048 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S.. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, I hand you a series of oaths taken by 
Klansmen, according to sworn testimony that we have. This is not 
in the form which they are printed by the Klans, but it is a reproduced 
form made by us. 

I ask you if you have ever taken the series of oaths set forth in 
this document ? 

(Witness confers with counseL) 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Robert Shelton Exhibit No. 4.") 

Mr. Appell. In a speech or rally at Supply, North Carolina, on 
July 11, 1965, did you, in the course of the speech, state that there were 
many law enforcement officers who wanted to join the Klan but who 
were afraid because of their jobs ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. AppEiiL, Mr. Dorsett, one oath, one section of an oath, under 
Section IV, [Klan] * ishness, says : 

I most Solemnly Promise and Swear — that I will always, at all Times and in 
all places, — Help, aid and assist — The duly Constituted officers of The law — in 
The proper performance of Their Legal Duties. 

Did you take that particular oath that I read to you ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Is your respect for law and order modified in that you 
have respect only for those that agree and contempt for those that 
disagree ? 

Mr. Dorset!'. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did the Klan hold a rally on April 17, 1965, across 
from the Medlin's Store, on Aycock Road, about 3 miles east of 
Henderson ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I would like to read to you from a report of coverage 
of that rally submitted by a member of the staff of the committee. I 
will read only so much as applies to you and not to the other speakers : 

Then Reverend George Dorsett of Greensboro was introduced. He had on his 
black robe and high hat. He started off quoting some scripture, then he started 
jumping on the highway i>atrol. He hari>e{l on their taking license numbers of 
the cars of those attending the rally. He said — 

And this is a direct quote of you — 

"they must be part 'nigger,' " that if they had any guts, were decent white men, 
they would take off their guns and badges and be resurrected and join the Klan. 
Then ho lit into the patrol officer in charge of the patrolmen there — ^Sgt. T. E. 
Cook. 

The report reads that you said that the 

old Sgt. was a disgrace to the human race and a disgrace to the uniform, and 
the State of North Carolina — that he looked old enough to retire and that he 
ought to retire, that his pants looked like a "nigger" family had just moved out 
of them. That his pants were so baggy he ought to find a tailor and get them 
fixed. That he would be ashamed to go around — 

That is you — 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2049 

would be ashamed to go around like this old sergeant looks. Dorsett also stated 
he hated to see all the State's storm troopers standing around with their big guns 
on and thac there were enough Klansmen there to take the guns off the troopers, 
but that tliey would not do this because they believed in law and order. Dorsett 
then did his usual blasting at Johnson and the Secret Service, the FBI. 

Is this report factual, Mr. Dorsett? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decliue to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 7" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Did you participate in a rally at Farmville, North 
Carolina, on May 23, 1965 ? 

Mv. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did you at that rally conduct a wedding? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you have authority under the laws of the State of 
North Carolina to marry a couple? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did this couple that were married in a ceremony per- 
formed in Klan robes have to have another ceremony in order to make 
their marriage legal ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, Roy Woodle testified before the committee 
last week. And he testified that one incident to his knowledge was that, 
during a speech that you made for the collection of funds, a Klansman 
advised him that he was urged to act as a stickman or a shill and to 
come forward with an advance of money in order to sucker the audi- 
ence into also making contributions. 

Is that true ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Isn't it a fact that the old North Carolina Knights of 
the Ku Klux Klan, with which you were affiliated, broke up prior to 
the Lumbee Indian incident because the membership found out that 
the Grand "Wizard, Cole, who had been going around to Klaverns say- 
ing "Please give me money. My wife is seriously ill of cancer, and 
she needs a serious operation'' — didn't they split away because they 
found out that this was not truthful ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. So you worked in a good training ground to carry out 
such a type of organization as described by Roy Woodle before ever 
becoming a member of the United Klaus of America; did you not? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

]Vfr. Appell. Let me ask you whether or not the use of people, as 
Roy Woodle described one man, is a standard operating procedure 
within the Klan, Avhether it be in North Carolina, South Carolina, 
Florida, or Delaware, and if this procedure has the approval of the 
leadership of the United Klaus of America, of which you are an 
imperial officer and a member of the Imperial Kloncilium ? 



2050 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KhAN IN THE U.S. 



Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Have you been used — not used, but have you, as a 
matter of fact, made collection speeches throughout North Carolina, 
South Carolina, Florida, and even the rally at Bear, Delaware? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, I show you two photographs, one a right 
profile, the other a left profile, in the military-type unifonn with one 
side showing, the right exposure, a captain's bars; the left exposure 
showing the cross worn by a chaplain in the military service. 

I ask you if you hold the position in the State security guard of the 
Klan, Realm of North Carolina ? 

(Photographs handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photographs marked "George Dorsett Exhibits Nos. 8-A and 
8-B," respectively. Exhibit 8-A retained in committee files; 8-B 
follows:) 

George Dorsett Exhibit No. 8-B 




Photograph which appeared in the Charlotte Observer, September 1, 1964, p. 1 with the 
following caption: 'Passing the bucket — One source of revenue for the Ku Klux 
Klan is the collection of donations from people who attend the Klan's public rallies. 
J. Robert Jones of Granite Quarry, the Klan's Grand Dragon, carries several plastic 
buckets in his car that are passed through the crowd. Here a robed Klan woman 
passes a bucket to George W. Dorsett of Greensboro, a chaplain in the Klan. Dor- 
sett is wearing a uniform of the Klan's security guard unit. (Observer Photo by 
Don Sturkey.r 



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Mr. Appfxl. Mr. Dorsett, in tlie picture (hat I sliowed you, which 
is the left exposure, the one sliiulowed the chaphiin's cross, there is a 
woman dressed in a Khui robe holding out a i)()t of some kind, or a 
bucket, in which, it is ver}' evident from the photograph, you are 
tossing in a coin as a contribution. 

I hand you another photograph and ask you if the caption is factual, 
that this is you with Klan robes over the military-type miiform worn 
by the security ^uard, and in this one, instead of handing out coins, 
you are- taking m dollars. 

(AVitness confers witli counsel.) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograph marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 9.'' This exhibit 
will be reproduced in a forthcoming repoi^t on Klan organizations.) 

Mr. Appell. Taking in dollars, Mr. Dorsett, seems to be your prin- 
cipal occupation in the Klan. 

I show you another photograj)]! with you taking in dollars. 

(Photograph handed to witness.) 

Mr. Appell. I ask you if that is you in that photograph? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograi^h marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 10" follows:) 

George Dorsett Exhibit No. 10 




George Dorsett in Klan regalia taking in money. 



59-222 O— 67— pt. 2 7 



2052 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S.. 

Mr. Appell. I show you a photograph of a Klansman counting 
money on a makeshift table. 

I ask you if that is you ? 

(Photograph handed to witness.) 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograph previously marked "James Jones Exhibit No. 6." 
Seep. 1717.) 

Mr. Appell. Coverage of rallies shows that at some there is a report 
made to the assembled people as to how many dollars are collected. 

Is the figure reported a tiiithful figure? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. It has been estimated by Klansmen Avhom we have 
interviewed, former Klansmen whom we have interviewed, and by 
others, that at some of these rallies there has been collected sums in 
excess of $500. 

Can you advise the committee or give the coimnittee any information 
as to what distribution is made of this cash money collected? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the gi'ounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. If the Imperial Wizard is at the rally, does he get a 
slice of the pie for his travel ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. If Grand Dragons are visiting from other jurisdic- 
tions, do they get a share of the money ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. This photograph which I will hand back to the wit- 
ness appears to be a photograph of the witness dressed in a black robe 
with a cross appearing over the left breast of the robe. 

The photograph shows the witness counting money. I should like 
him to look at that photograph and i-efresh his memory, if possible, and 
tell us how much money was collected on that occasion. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, I hand you a reproduction of a newspaper 
story which appeared in the Fort Lauderdale, Florida, News, July 4, 
1965, referring to a rally held there on July 3, 1965. 

I invite your attention to the picture which is captioned : "imperl\l 

CHAPLAIN REV. GEORGE DORSETT TOOK COLLECTION . . . douatioUS Were 

to be used to finance legal battle won Friday in court." 

I ask you if that is you and how much was collected at that Fort 
Lauderdale rally ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett I]xhibit No. 11" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. According to the newspaper story, in order to get the 
grounds for the rally, in making the pitch for money, a figure of $500 
was mentioned. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2053 

Is that what it cost the Klaii to use that site at which that photo- 
graph was taken? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, we have a verbatim transcript of your 
remarks at a rally in Bear, Delaware, on July 31, 1965. It seems to 
me from reading this that everyone, and wherever you go, if the police 
is interested in, for intelligence purposes, learning about the Klan ac- 
tivities, either they or their superiors w^ho order them to carry out 
this assignment are always referred to by you as "niggers." 

Can you give me an explanation for this, Mr. Dorsett ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I resi^ectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George D,orsett Exhibit No. 12'' and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. At the rally in DehiAvare you — not you, but the Klan — 
obtained authority to use a location to carry out this rally. The au- 
thority was given to you by a man who did not own the property, but 
who was merely renting it. The owner of the property apparently ob- 
jected to this and was going to evict, at least, according to what I 
read in the verbatim transcript of your remarks, was going to evict 
this man for granting to the Klan the authority to use the field with- 
out consulting him. 

I wish to quote a portion of your remarks which leads up to a ques- 
tion I want to ask. I am quoting from this verbatim transcript : 

There has been a lot of expense to get this rally on the way and there's going 
to be a lot of expense to set up the office and the work of the Grand Dragon here 
and the maneuvering and working and carrying out of the Klan in this State. 
Also there is an eighty-year old gentleman that some man is fixing to ride off 
of his place because he offered to let i;s hold a rally on his place. I believe this 
beast, this cruel man, I believe he oi>erates some restaurants here, doesn't he? 

VOICE FROM THE AUDIENCE : Yes. 

IMPERIAL CHAPLAIN DORSETT : AVhat is the name of those places? The 
Robin Hood? 

VOICE FROM THE AUDIENCE : Sherwood. 

IMPERIAL CHAPLAIN DORSETT : Sherwood Restaurant. 

And then your remarks tell what horrible things this owner of the 
Sherwood Restaurant is going to do by saying : 

He is fixing — this eighty-year old man has got to go to court Monday because 
he offered white people a chance to meet and hold a meeting on his proi^erty that 
he was renting from this man- — what is his name — Saienni. Now he is at the 
point of losing his place there, having to be pushed off of it. So we are going to 
help bear his court expense there, whatever it might be. 

Then you make a pitch for $5, $10, $20, or $100, "whatver you can 
give, fifty cents, or whatever, in helping to get this Klan on the road 
in Delaware." 

To what expense did the Klan go to in the matter to which you re- 
ferred ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question on the 
gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Wasn't the man who owned the property exercising the 
right w^liich you claim you are fighting for with respect to the use made 
of his property ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I resj^ectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2054 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IX THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. When it comes to expenses of rallies, Reverend Dorsett, 
we have analyzed a lot of bank accounts of the United Klans of Amer- 
ica Klavems, and we have noted without exception that where a rally 
is held in an area close to an established Klan, that the local Klan pays 
all the expenses. 

I ask you if that is not a fact ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. They put into the pot the meat and the bones and you 
take home the soup ; is that a fact ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Was there any of the money collected at the Delaware 
rally that was used to defray the court expenses of the gentleman who 
permitted the use of that property for the Klan rally ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I show you another photograph, Mr. Dorsett, this 
one from the Greensboro, North Carolina, Record^ of August 19, 
1965, and I invite your attention to a photograph that says "Rev. 
George Dorsett of Greeensboro, Ku Klux Klan chaplain, is shown 
counting money contributed by Klansmen and spectators last night 
at a rally held in Reidsville." 

I would like to ask you if that is your photograph, if the caption 
is accurate, and what disposition was made of the money collected 
at that rally? 

( Document handed to witness. ) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 13'' appears on 
p. 2055.) 

Mr. Appell. I invite your attention to an article which appeared 
in the Danville, Virginia, Bee^ August 20, 1965, which says : 

Following an appeal by the Rev. George Dorsett of Greensboro, chaplain of 
the United Klans of America, for contributions, more than 50 persons came forth 
to hand him paper bills and coins totaling some $171, Klansmen said. 

I ask you if the figure reported is factual. 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the gromids previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 14*' appears on 
p. 2056.) 

Mr. Appell. I ask you, in showmg you the article, what disposition 
was made of the money collected at that rally ? 

(Document handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with comisel.) 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a reproduction of a photograph which 
appeared as part of an article in the High Point, North Carolina, 
Enterprise, dated August 22, 1965, at a rally at Guilford County, 
North Carolina. I invite your attention to the center photograph 
which says "Money is Collected." 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2055 



I ask you if you are the person shown in the center photograph with 
paper money in your hand ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 15" appears on p. 
2057. Exhibits 13, 14, and 15 follow : ) 



George Dorsett Exhibit No. 13 

[Greensboro, N.C., Record, August 19, 1965] 




t .*'■ r X. ..ri.-. 



COUNTS DONATIONS: Rev. George Dorsett of Greensboro, Ku Klux Klan 
chaplain, is shnvra couniinj? n^oney contributed by Klansmen and spectators 
last night at a '/al'v !;om! in Roidsville. 



2056 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



George Dorsett Exhibit No. 14 
(Danville, Va., Bee, August 20, 1965] 



200 Attend . 
Klan Rally 
In Gaswell 

Y.\NCEyVTLLE, N; C.-A" 
crowd of some 200 persons, in- 
cluding a .<vpriQkIiag of women 
and children,- gathered .in a 
rain-soaked pasture in Caswell 
County last night lo hear mem- 
t>ers of the Ku Klux Klan heap 
lashing verb jr+'trssatilti on 
President Johnson, the Su- 
preme Ck>url and Negroes. 

The cross-burning rally, 
staged as part of the Klan's 
drive to/regain /[* iJolitiC^Uy 
ix>werful status, -jrtgnaljcd the 
beginning of a membcy^ip re- 
cruiting drive fn tkue -qounty. 

As lightning flashed across 
the darkened sky. the Klans- 
men, Ird by North Carolina 
Grand Dragon Jj^Jt^ .•I^O?^ ^^ 
Gramtp Quarry, charged that 
politicians North and South are 
allowing iNcgroes to rim the' 
country ami mongrelize the 
races. 

Following an appeal by the 
Rev. Geof£,e Dpr^^ett of Green.s- 
horo, chaplain of the United 
Klans of .America, for contri- 
butions, more than .SO per.so'ns 
came forth lo hand him paper 
bills and coins totaling some 
$171. Klan.smen said. 

Though their remarks were 
caustic, the . speakers were 
careful not to advocate vi- 
olence, apparently aware that 
KB! agenl.s nuglil he in the 
audience. 

However, alj said while per- 
sons should be ,)ri-parcd for 
violence. 

.Much empha.s'^- was placed 
on voter registration, and Jones 
announced th«t the .North Caro- 
Ima Klan h )(>oj, lo put a full- 
time worker in each Congrcs- 
NJonal distfict in the state to 
launch a pre'-inc<tby-prerincl 
or-'an:/alii)ij 

Few boodi and robes werr 
in evi^^nce at the rally; in| 



fact, more members of the 
Klan's "Seciuity Guard" were 
in sight than robed Eansmen., 

The guards, about 15 or 20 
strong, wore olive myfU with 
gold helmets, -white belts, para- 
trooper boots with pants tucked 
in and, on their staoalders, a 
patch with the KKK emblem. 
They directed traffic and park- 
ing and distributed membership 
cards durins the raUy. None 
was armed. ■.. • .. • 

JqAC^, who wore no libbd and 
robe, drew the most response 
from the crow(} wtth his descrip- 
tions of Johnson and Negroes. 

He called the President a 
"tyrant" and "dictator" and 
charged that "we have the King- 
Johnson'-Humphrey Administra- 
•tion, in that order.' We've got 
12.5 per cent of our population 
dictating to us." 

J ones contended Martin Luth- 
er" King is a Communist and 
said he has a picture of King at 
a Communist training school to 
prove it. • 

He also was critical of ex- 
North Carolina Gov. Terry San- 
ford, calling him an "idiot." 
arid of present Gov. Dan K. 
Moore. He attacked the Raleick 
News and Observer and its edi- 
tor, Jonathan Daniels, sayinf 
the latter "doesn't know the' 
meaning of truth." V>. 

The Negro, whom oooes con- 
sistently referred to as "nig- 
ger," "was born to steal,;' he 
said. "The only niggers in Cas- 
well Co nty vho. won't steal are 
in the graveyards." 

A Pennsylvania klansman told 
the gathering that the future 
will find "the white man against 
the blacks. That's the bare 
fads. The color of our skin is 
going to b? the colo of yoiir 
uniform." 

Dorsett charged that the U. S. 
JTii^me Court has been packed 
with men who are. "Communist- 
minded' 'and likened them to 
termites who. he said, "are de- 
stroying the durability of oinr 
government It is high time we 
used some kind of eomelhing to 
termite-proof our governmcnf." 

He al.so urged whites to reg- 
ister and vote for rvhite can- 
didates. 

The rally was concluded by 
a fourth speaker who urged the 
:rowd to support the Klan. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2057 



o 

CL, 




2058 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. I ask you how much money was collected at that 
rally and what the disposition was of those funds ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, several articles, many articles, as having 
been obtained 

Mr. Pool. Just a moment, Don. 

From an analysis of the evidence you submitted, and the investiga- 
tion, does it appear that any of the money that comes from these 
rallies, cash money, was ever deposited in the accounts of the banks 
under the realm, or did the Grand Dragon or Wizard ever put it into 
their bank accounts? 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I did not bring the record with me this 
morning, but we put into the record earlier in this hearing the amount 
of cash, currency and coin, deposited to an account in the name of the 
United Klans of America at the Wachovia Bank and Trust Company 
in Salisbury, North Carolina. 

I do not remember the exact dejwsit in the form of cash and cur- 
rency starting May 13, 1965, and running through September 9, 1965, 
but it approximated $15,000. However, the committee has no way of 
determining, and has not been as yet able to determine, whether this 
constituted the total take in the form of cash at the various rallies. 

Mr. Pool. Go ahead. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, several references in newspapei's allege 
that you were ordained as a minister at the age of 20. Is this factual, 
sir? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I invite your attention to an article which appeared 
in the Raleigh News and Ohserver on July 17, 1965. It says, speak- 
ing of churches and influence by ministers : 

'•They want to meet everything with the message of Christian love and never 
oppose anything — they always follow the same path," he said. "Really, this 
message of Christian love is a tool in the Communist hands." 

Is that a factual quote ? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked 'George Dorsett Exhibit No. 16*' and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Dorsett, do jou know to what extent Klansmen are 
armed during tlieir participation in public rallies, sponsored by the 
United Klans of America, m North Carolina or other places? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The committee's investigation indicates that it is the 
consensus of all law enforcement agencies, including the consensus of 
our investigation, that the Klansmen are lieavily armed under their 
robes, and tliat this is one of the reasons for the security which local 
police exercise toward Klan rallies. 

Is this factual ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2059 

Mr. DoRSETT. I res])ectfiilly decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did you speak at a rally in Greenville or in Burling- 
ton, North Carolina, in August of 1965 ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. What knowledge did you have of the interest of the 
South Carolina Police Department, sheriffs, in the organization and 
activities of the Klan ? 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The Greenville, South Carolina, newspaper known as 
the Piedmont, of August 17, 1965, referring to a rally in a story date- 
lined Burlington, North Carolina, states : 

Sheriff John H. Stockard was there among the crowd, but the Klan si}eaker 
who had been berating him and wanted to point him out couldn't locate him. 

The speaker, the Rev. George Dorsett of Greensboro, chaplain of the Klan, 
was incensed at a KKK rally and crossburning Monday night that deputies 
had been taking license numbers of cars. He called the Alamance County 
Sheriff and his deputies "termites and rats," and urged that Stockard not be 
re-elected. 

Another speaker, J. K. Jones of Granite Quarry, state grand dragon, also 
made derogatory remarks about the sheriff. He also attacked Catholics, Jews, 
Communist and Negroes. 

Jones announced that $.328 was collected for the work of the Klan. 

Is this story factual, sir? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 17" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Is the amount of $328 reported in this article a factual 
reporting of the amount of money collected ? 

]Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. What part of that $328 was tui'ned over to the Grand 
Dragon from South Carolina, Robert Scoggin? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. I have a question I want to put to the witness. 

I have here before me a document called "The Principle of the 
United Klans of America, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan." On the 
back page I notice this : 

We do not believe in mob violence, but we do believe that laws should be 
enacted to prevent the cause of mob violence. 

Deaths by mob violence have fallen off very materially since the advent of the 
Klan. The Klan believes in law-enforcement, and if a person has committed a 
crime the law should take its course. 

My question is this : If that is one of the principles of the United 
Klans of America, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, why do you persist 
in your statements in your area, in the newspapers wdiich have been 
shown before this committee this morning, in trying to destroy police 
officers and other law enforcement officers in their attempts to do their 
duty ? Why do you persist in calling them "termites" and things like 
that? 



2060 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. DoRSETT. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Ashbrook ? 

Mr. AsiiBROOK. Mr. Dorsett, I realize the Klan is not comparable 
to most organizations of which I have knowledge, but it would seem 
quite interesting that the person who is a chaplain at the same time 
would be a security guard and dress in the attire of security guard. 
Would you care to enlighten us on this ? 

Mr, Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds j)reviously stated. 

Mr. Ashbrook. I also note from the pictures, which are part of the 
documents in the record, Mr. Dorsett, that there is a great similarity 
in the uniform of your Klan security guard and those of the Rockwell 
storm troopers. Your boots, gloves, helmets, most of the attire, seems 
similar. 

I also notice that you have S.G., which I take it stands for "Security 
Guard," on the front and back of the helmets. Is there any particular 
reason for this tyi)e of attire which is, I tliink, in the minds of most 
people, certainly similar to the Rockwell type and also to the Nazi 
storm trooper type? Is there any particular reason for dressing this 
way? Is it to inject fear or some other reason in the minds of the 
people who will see these people with the S.G. on their helmets? 

Mr. Dorsett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Ashbrook. No further questions, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chaimian, I think the document from whicli 
you read ought to be placed into the record at this point. 

Mr. Pool. It is so ordered. 

(Document marked "George Dorsett Exhibit No. 18"' and retained 
in committee files.^ ) 

Mr. Weltner. I have no questions. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Appell? 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chainnan, the staff, in the progress of this in- 
vestigation into the North Carolina phase of the Klans, in that realm, 
has subpenaed numerous bank accounts of Klaverns within that juris- 
diction, many of which have not yet been received. 

I ask permission that these bank records, when received, be made 
a part of the hearing record as they relate to the State of North 
Carolina. 

Mr. Pool. It is so ordered, and also any other documents received 
here this morning and testified to or brought out by you in your inter- 
rogation will be made a part of the record in their proper place. 

The committee will stand in recess until 1 :45 p.m. 

The witness is excused. 

Mr. Chalmers. Excused from his subpena ? 

Mr. Pool. That is right. 

(Subcommittee menwers present at time of recess : Representatives 
Pool, Weltner, and Ashbrook.) 



1 This same exhibit was also Introduced as Allen Bajne Exhibit No. 1 in tlie Nov. 2. 
1965, hearings. This exhibit will be reproduced In a forthcoming report on Klan 
organizations. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2061 

(Wliereiip,on, at 11:55 a.m., Wednesday, October 27, IDGS, the sub- 
coininittee recessed, to reconvene at 1 :45 p.m. the same day.) 

AFTERNOON SESSION— WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 1%5 

(The subcommittee reconvened at 2 p.m., Hon. Edwin E. Willis, 
chairman, presiding.) 

(Subcommittee members present : Representatives Willis, Pool, 
Weltner, and Ashbrook.) 

The Chairman, Tlie subcommittee will please to come to order. 

Call your next witness, Mr. Appell. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call Mr. Charles Elwood 
Maddox. 

The Chairman. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are 
about to give will be the tnith, the whole truth, and nothing but the 
truth, so help you God ? 

Mr. Maddox. I affirm. 

The Chairman. Do you solemnly affirm to tell the truth and nothing 
but the truth? 

I understand that a proper affirmation oath leaves out the word 
"God" according to practice. 

Do you solemnly affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth, 
and nothing but the truth ? 

Mr. Maddox. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

TESTIMONY OF CHARLES ELWOOD MADDOX, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. Will you state your full name for the record, please ? 

Mr. Maddox. Charles E. Maddox. 

Mr. Appell. Is your middle name ''Woody" ? 

Mr. Maddox. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Are you appearing before the committee this after- 
noon in accordance with a subpena sei-ved upon you at 1 o'clock p.m., 
the 13th day of October 1965 by a United States mai*shal ? 

Mr. Maddox. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Maddox. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel please identify himself for the record, 
please ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. My name is Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., 
attorney at law. Room 501, First Federal Building, Ealeigh, North 
Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. When and w^here were you born ? 

Mr. jSLvddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me my amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were bom on March 21, 1936, in Blaney, South 
Carolina. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 



2062 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S.. 

in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Will you please outline for the committee your educa- 
tional background ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Would you kindly outline for the committee your em- 
ployment background ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Is the information contained on the subpena, placed 
there by the deputy United States marshal that served you, that you 
were served at your place of employment, the DuPont Company, 
RFD, Camden, South Carolina? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, may I say to you and the other 
members of the committee, whatever the subpena says we, of course, 
agree with. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Maddox, the subpena served upon you commanded 
you to bring with you and to produce before the committee items which 
are contained in an attachment which was made a part of the subpena. 
These are contained in two paragraphs. 

Paragraph 1 orders you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc.. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, South Carolina Rescue 
Service. Realm (State) of South Carolina, in your possession, custody or control, 
or maintained by you or available to you as Grand Klabee (Treasurer) South 
Carolina Rescue Service, Realm (State) of South Carolina, of the Invisible 
Empire. United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America. Inc., also known 
as the United Klans of America, Inc.. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

In accordance with your subpena, I ask you to produce those docu- 
ments. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 13, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane 
to the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the 
Congress in any consideration of any valid remedial le^^islation, nor is 
such inquiry' within the scope of that authorized to be mvestigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolu- 
tion 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in a subpena dated October 13, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, we have agreed heretofore all along 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2063 

on the following stipulation: (1) That the witness has been furnished 
a copy of the chairman's opening .statement of October 19, 1965, that 
he is familiar with its contents; and (2) that the directions of the sub- 
pena to produce the documents called for are made to the witness in 
the official representative capacity described in the subpena. 

I take it that this stipumtion applies to this witness? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The CiiAiRMAisr. 1 order and direct you to produce the documents 
just called for, and 1 call to your attention that the significance of that 
order and direction is that the committee does not agree Avith the rea- 
sons you have assigiied for failing to produce those documents, and that 
from the point of view of the committee, your refusal to produce them 
subjects you to citation for contempt of Congress. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 13, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane 
to the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the 
Congress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor 
is such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, or by House 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in a subpena dated October 13, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Maddox, part 2 of the attachment which was made 
a part of the subpena calls upon you to bring with you and to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capac- 
ity as Grand Klabee (Treasurer), South Carolina Rescue Service, Realm 
(State) of South Carolina of the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said organization authorize 
and require to be maintained by you and any other officer of said organization, 
the same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I ask you in accordance with the terms of the subpena to produce 
the documents I have just called for in part 2. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to produce the documents on 
the grounds heretofore stated, based on the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the witness be ordered and 
directed to produce the documents called for in part 2. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, is it agreed that the stipulation 
just entered into with reference to paragraph 1 of the subpena is 
applicable to paragraph 2 ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. I, therefore, order and direct you to produce the 
documents called for in paragraph 2 of the attachment to the subpena. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to produce the dociunents on the 
gromids heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Maddox, are you an officer of a Klan organization, 
Klan or Klavern, which is known as The Friendship Club? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 



2064 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE XJ.S, 



in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like to read into the record and 
then show to Mr. Maddox the following document : It is headed "Unin- 
corporated Association Agreement.*' It is dated November 19, 1964, 
to The South Carolina National Bank, Camden, South Carolina. 

(Mr. Appell then read the following document, which was marked 
"Charles Maddox Exhibit No. 1":) 

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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2065 

Mr. Appell. 1 hand 3'ou this document, Mr. Maddox, and ask you if 
this is a true copy of a document filed witli The South Carolina Na- 
tional Bank, Camden, South Carolina, on behalf of The Friendship 
Club. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. "Weltner left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. For the purpose of establishing the identity of this 
Friendship Club as an instrumentality, Klan or Klavern of the United 
Klans of America, I shall now hand you a copy of an imprinted check 
dated September 6, 1965, imprinted "The Friendship Club, Pay To 
The Order Of Alabama Rescue Service $26.00,'' and the purpose for 
which drawn is written in "August." Under the imprint of The 
Friendship Club is the signature of Charles, abbreviated "Chas." E. 
Maddox, William D. Russ, and the check dated September 16, 1965, im- 
jjrinted as the previous check was described, to the Alabama Rescue 
Service in the amount of $20, containing the same signatures. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, Mr. 
Maddox, that the Alabama Rescue Service is a cover designation for 
the imperial office of the United Klans of America. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Checks marked "Charles Maddox Exhibit No, 2." One of said 
checks follows; others retained in committee files.) 



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Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like to say that the documents 
just exhibited were obtained by the committee through subpena duces 
tecum. 

Mr. Chairman, under Presidential authority to review and examine 
incorporated and individual returns, a request was made of the Secre- 
tary of the Treasury for such corporate tax returns as were filed by the 
Friendship Lodge, headquarters, Camden, South Carolina. 

I would like to read a report concerning Friendship Lodge made to 
Mr. J. R. Logan, IRS group supervisor in Columbia, South Carolina, 
signed by Revenue Officer H. L. Cunningham, and dated September 
17, 1965: 

Contact was made with Charles E. Maddox who was supix>se[dj to be the secre- 
tary of the Friendship Lodge. He stated that he was connected with the 
Friendship Club. This club was composed of a group of men employed by the 
DuPont Company of Camden. Their purpose was purely a social club. The[y] 
would meet periodically for a "dutch dinner" by use of a catering service. They 
would ask for donations for the payment of rent of the community center. 
They have a Christman [sic] Party for the members and their families. He 
stated that he had never heard of the Friendship Lodge. A check was made 
with the Postmaster. He knew of the Friendship Club and also knew Charles 
Maddox since he had been invited to their Christmas party. 

No returns were secured since this organization was not located. * * * 

Mr. Maddox, I ask you whether or not you truthfully described to 
Revenue Officer Cunningham the composition and purpose of The 
Friendship Club. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Charles Maddox Exhibit No. 3" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Maddox, I ask you if in 1964 you were appointed 
or elected to the office of grand klabee, or treasurer, fox the Realm of 
South Carolina of the Alabama Rescue Service, which State organiza- 
tion uses as its cover designation the South Carolina Rescue Service? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I ask you if you have served as an officer of the Realm 
of South Carolina of the United Klans of America which uses the 
name South Carolina Rescue Service, with the following realm offi- 
cers, all having a prefix to their title of "Grand": Grand Dragon, 
Robert E. Scoggin. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand Klaliff, Younger Mack Newton. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the ground previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand klokard, James O. Davis. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand kludd. Reverend "\^''ilburn Samuel Cox. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand kligrapp, Robert Nix. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2067 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. AprELL. Grand kladd, William (Bill) Bullock. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand klarogo, Carlyle F. Lewis, Jr. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand klexter, E. D. Huston. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand night-hawk, Steve Broadway. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Grand kleagle, Theodore Boyce Spires. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. With a klokann committee on the State level consisting 
of Wilburn Esters Cox? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. And another member of the klokann committee, Buddy 
Ivnox. 
Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Maddox, does the Realm of South Carolina using 
the name of the South Carolina Rescue Service maintain an account 
at The South Carolina National Bank, Columbia, South Carolina? 
Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Is there a Klavern within the State of South Carolina 
known as the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club? 
Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. For the purpose of establishing facts, Mr. Chairman, 
I intend to exhibit to Mr. Maddox a copy of a canceled check im- 
printed "Chesterfield Comity Sportsman's Club, 104 Dogwood Circle, 
Clieraw, S. C.," dated March 29, 1965, "Pay To The Order Of S. C. 
Rescue Service $78.00," signed Ralph Powders, Francis W. Lide. 

On the reverse of the check it shows an endorsement "S.C. Rescue 
Service, Chas. E. Maddox." 

I hand you the check, Mr. Maddox, and I put it to you as a fact, and 
ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that some of the fmids received by 
the South Carolina Rescue Service are from Klaverns and one of 
which is the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club. 
Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Check marked "Charles Maddox Exhibit No. 4" appears on p. 
2069.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Maddox, I do not know whether you reviewed the 
reverse of the check. If you did not, I ask you to do so. I put it to 
you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that it is your 
signature. 

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2068 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S.. 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Are all moneys due from the Klavern to the realm 
which in South Carolina is known by a cover name of the South 
Carolina Rescue Service, are all of these checks payable to you ? Are 
all of these checks payable to the South Carolina Rescue Service, or 
are some checks payable directly to Grand Dragon Scoggin ? 
Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Does the United Klans of America, Realm of South 
Carolina, have a Klan or Klavern within its jurisdiction known by the 
cover name of the "Odd Brothers Club" ? 
Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of a check, a canceled check, drawn 
on The Anderson Bank of Dillon, Dillon, South Carolina, dated 
September 13, 1965, pay to the order of the United Klans of America, 
Inc., $36.50. 

The purpose for which drawn says, or reads, "Dues 73 members 
Aug. — 1965.-' "The Odd Bros. Club" is written on this canceled 
check in longhand. The signatures are E. W. Adams and the other is 
Gat ley Arnette. 

I hand you tliis check and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the endorsement on the reverse of this 
check, which is United Klans of America, with the abbreviation for 
Charles E. Maddox, is your signature? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gi'ounds previously stated. 

(Check marked "Charles Maddox Exhibit No. 5" appears on p. 
2070.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I would like the record to show that 
the third authorized signature to the account in the name of Odd 
Brothers Club is E. W. Adams. 

Do you know E. W. Adams to be an officer of the Odd Brothers 
Club? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you have a Klan or Klavern of the United Klans 
of America, the Realm of South Carolina, also known as the South 
Carolina Rescue Service, known by the title Sportsmans Club No. 4 ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. For the purpose of establishing the identity of this club, 
Mr. Chairman, I would like to exhibit to the witness only one of 
many checks contained in this item. 

I shall read from a copy of a canceled check, "Sportsmans Club 
No. 4, Allen 'Holliday,' Treasurer," dated September 27, 1965, "Pay to 
the order of Charles E. Maddox," in the amount of $70. 

The purpose for which drawn is shown as "Car." The cosigners are 
"Allen Holladay" and "Lewis Mason." Tlie endorsement on the re- 
verse of the check says "South Carolina Rescue Service," with 
"Charles," written out in full, "E. Maddox." 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2069 



I show you this check and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the Sportsmans Club No. 4 is a Klan or 
Klaveni of the United Klans of American, Reahii of South Carolina. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr, Maddox, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

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Mr. Appell. Mr. Macldox, the purpose for which clraAvn as reflected 
on that check is a car. Did the members of the Khiii in South Caro- 
lina give to Grand Dragon Scoggin a 1965 station wagon ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did they give it to him or did he take out a note for 
the car on hopes that the Klan might pay for it eventually ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
uix)n the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. According to the records of the South Carolina Bank, 
The South Carolina National Bank, at Pickens, South Carolina, the 
authorized signatures to this account are Lewis Mason, president — 
and I ask you did you know him to be the president or an exalted 
Cyclops of this Klavern ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. James Abercrombie, and I ask you if you knew him to 
be klabee or secretary of the Klavern ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. And Allen Holladay, treasurer or klabee, as the im- 
printed check shows him to be ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2073 

Mr. Appell. As treasurer of the Retilni of Soiitli Carolina, I ask 
you if tliere exists in Columbia, South Carolina, a Klan or Klavern of 
the United Klans of America, the Realm of South Carolina, known 
as the Capital City Sportsmans Club No. 9 ? 

Mr. JMaddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Do you know its officers to be Bill W. Walters, James 
F. Smoak, and D. L. Reed ? 

Mr. Maddox. I resi>ectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did the Realm of South Carolina until late 1964 have 
a Klavern at Gaffney, which was known by the name of the Cherokee 
Sportsman's Club, whose officers were Joe W. McCluney, W. O. 
Jolly, Jr., and Paul M. Cudd ? 

Mr. Maddox. I resi^ectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did the Realm of South Carolina have a Klavern at 
Hemingway, South Carolina, known as the Hemingway Sportsmans 
Club whose officers were W. Dozier Tanner, Wayne Allen, and Wilburn 
E. Cox? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did it have a Klavern at Spartanburg, South Carolina, 
which at one time was known as Lodge 21, and at another occasion 
the 21 Club? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was and is the Grand Dragon for the Realm of South 
Carolina also the exalted cy clops of these clubs ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did the Realm of South Carolina have a Klavern at 
Bennettsville, South Carolina, known as the Red River Club No. 19? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you know as its officers Wort S. Gray, Clifford 
"Wliittington, and Sherwood B. Choplin? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did the Realm of South Carolina have a Klavern at 
Rock Hill, known as the Rock Hill Volunteers of America ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you know its officers to be George A. Plyler, as the 
exalted cyclops; William M. Duncan, as the kligrapp; and James W. 
Hill as the klabee ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Appell. At Andrews, South Carolina, does the Realm of South 
Carolina have a Klavern known by the name of the Santee Sports- 
man Club? 



2074 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr, Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you know the officers of that club to be Jesse L. 
Grumiley, N. A. McMahin, and E. E. Dirks ? 

Mr. ]SIaddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Does the South Carolina Realm of the United Klans 
of America have a Klavern at Greenville known as the Wade Hampton 
Club No. 1? 

Mr, Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated, 

Mr. Appell. Do you know among its officers Bobby G. Wise and 
Curtis Crompton? 

Mr. Maddox, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated, 

Mr. Appell. Does it have a Klavern at Sumter, South Carolina, 
known as the Sumter Sportsmans Club No. 10 ? 

Mr. IVIaddox, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated, 

Mr. Appell. Do you know among its officers James O. Davis and 
C.F.Lewis? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell, In Orangeburg, South Carolina, does the United Klans 
of America have a Klavern known as the Garden City Club ? 

Mr, Maddox, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell, Do you know among its officers C. A, Stappe, III? 

Mr, Maddox, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated, 

Mr, Appell. At Hartsville, South Carolina, does the United Klans 
of America, Realm of South Carolina, have a Klavern knoAvn by the 
name of the Hartsville Sportsmans Club No. 24 ? 

Mr. Maddox, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you know among its officers of that Klavern Cole 
L. Barnhill and Robert W, Goodson, Jr. ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell, Mr, Chairman, the staff has no further questions to 
ask of this witness. 

The Chairman. Mr, Maddox, the committee completely respects 
your religious beliefs and views, but it is pertinent to the committee 
and to this inquiry as to whether or not you consider your allegiance 
to the Klan above your allegiance to your countr}'. 

Accordingly, I make the following statement and will then ask you 
a question. 

In your appearance before this committee you affirmed instead of 
taking an oath, and tliis is proper. By that I mean you have a right 
to do that. I have before me a copy of the oath subscribed to by you 
and other members of the United Klans of America. 

In that oath, the subscriber swears "in the ]:)resence of God" and 
"unconditionally" that he will obey the constitution, laws, and regu- 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2075 

lations of the United Klaus of America and also all mandates, decrees, 
edicts, and rulings and instructions of its Imperial Wizard. 

The oath also SAvears before God complete fidelity to the Klan. 

The subscriber also swears, but significantly does not state in the 
name of God, "unqualified allegiance*' to the United States of America. 

Is this because a Klansman places loyalty to the Klan above loyalty 
to the United States and its Constitution ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Docmnent previously marked "Robert Shelton Exhibit No. 4.") 

The Chairman. Is this why you took a Klansman's oath "in the 
presence of God" and "before God" but would not swear before God 
in these proceedings ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

The Chairman. Following his appearance before this committee, 
Mr. Shelton, Robert M. Shelton, the Imperial Wizard of the United 
Klans of American, said this : 

I will not, I cauuot, answer any question, no matter how cleverly put, that 
would violate my oath or aflSrmation to my fellowmen and to Almighty God. 

That is what he said outside, but he did not take an oath here, nor 
did he swear to Almighty God. 
Then he proceeds to say: 

Should I do so, I would be false to my religious principles and would deserve 
the eternal damnation of my soul, which I firmly believe would be my fate. 

And then following the appearance of Mr. Dorsett before this com- 
mittee this morning, who also, like you, attirmed, but did not swear 
before or in the presence of God, he said more specifically to the press 
outside : 

I have sworn before God Almighty to cling to the high code of ethics and morality 
that are the guiding principles of the United Klans of America, and I shall 
remain steadfast and faithful to that oath, knowing full well that should I 
violate it, I would risk eternal damnation of my mortal soul. 

Do you take that position, too ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. You have a right to do and say anything you want 
to in this wonderful country of ours, but do you intend after you leave 
this witness stand to try to distinguish between an oath and affirmation 
for the public but not talk about it before the committee, to imply that 
to speak before the committee would violate your oath or affirmation? 

You didn't take any oath here, but will you try to paint outside that 
it is the same thing ? Do you intend to make such a statement ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, I thought it might be in order, in view 
of some of the statements that have been made outside of this hearing 
room, to have the record clearly reflect several things. One of them is 
that Mr. Appell, the investigator, has been under oath since the initia- 
tion of these proceedings, and the questions propounded to him have 



2076 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

been propounded to him in his capacity as a sworn witness and his 
answers have been sworn answers, subject to the pains of perjury; 
secondly, that while this committee, as the chairman states, respects 
religious convictions, there is only one ground this committer recog- 
nizes for failing to testify, and that is the fifth amendment, on the 
ground that the answer might tend to incriminate the parties. 

So when those who fail to testify within the hearing room step out- 
side and claim some higher allegiance, that allegiance is not recognized 
in this liearing room, l3ut only the constitutional protection contained 
in the fifth amendment to the Constitution. 

The Chairman. Yes, and I asked that very question of counsel after 
questioning, I think, either Mr. Shelton or Mr. Jones, because the 
situation is this : In appearance before this committee these witnesses 
have relied, as I understand, and as they stated, strictly upon constitu- 
tional grounds for failure to answer. 

Is that correct ? 

Mr. Chalmers. That is my understanding ; yes, sir. 

The Chairman. And I make it clear that if the witnesses have deep 
faith and abiding allegiance to the Klan oaths, as they proclaim they 
have, it would appear to me — and I am not asking a question — they 
should have courage to rely on that oath here in this room so we can 
test W'hether that oath is superior to the Constitution of the United 
States itself and to this Government. 

As I understand from counsel, and he is capable, his only reliance 
as attorney for these witnesses is upon the Constitution and not upon 
that oath. 

Mr. Chalmers. May I state, Mr. Chairman, I have not at any time 
discussed w^ith any of the witnesses that I represent their religious 
beliefs or their affiliations with respect to any oath-taking. 

My only purpose in advising them is as to their constitutional rights 
and nothing else. 

The Chairman. I understand that and I appreciate your position. 

Now" one final statement and a question. 

In his statement just made to the press, or made to the press today, 
the news media, Mr. Dorsett stated: "I have been appalled by the 
failure of the Committee, a branch of Congress to follow the example 
of Congress in opening its daily sessions with prayer and a petition 
to God for guidance.'- 

Are you appalled at that, too? If you are appalled by that fact — 
and no committee of Congress opens its sessions with prayer reciting 
as in the House — if that appalls you, as Mr. Dorsett said it did him, 
then why wouldn't you invoke the oath of God here ? 

I ask you, are you appalled that this subcommittee of Congress does 
not open its sessions with a prayer and a petition to God for guidance 
when you yourself refuse to take the oath before God ? 

Mr. Maddox. I respectfully decline to ansAver that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. In line with counseFs reliance on the fifth amend- 
ment, I cite to him a case which I take it he is probably familiar with, 
a case from the Supreme Court of Alabama, whicli I think is their 
highest court 

Mr. Chalmers. I am not familiar with any Alabama decisions. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2077 

The Chairman. The Supreme Court of Alabama has held that a 
Klan officer is properly convicted for contempt for refusing to give the 
grand jury the names of the members of that organization upon the 
grounds that his Klan oath of secrecy was not binding. 

That is in Ex parte 3/orrJs, 42 Southern Reporter, Second Series 17, 
decided in 1949. 

Specifically, your highest court said 

Mr. Chalmers. No, sir. 

The Chairman. — only privileged communications and facts made 
so by law, or lawful government regulations, are protected from dis- 
closure. 

The identity of the membership of said organization does not fall 
within such privileged class. 

Mr. Chalmers. May I state, Mr. Chairman, and refresh your recol- 
lection, I am not familiar with any decisions of the Alabama courts. 

The Chairman. I am so sorry. I apologize. 

It is a decision from the highest court of the State, which we under- 
stand to be good law. I agree with your advice to your clients they 
had only better rely on the good old fifth amendment, rather than 
their oath. 

Mr. Ashbrook. Mr. Chairman, I would like to associate myself 
with what you have said. I think the comments you have made are 
quite appropriate. 

If you had been here this morning and had the opportunity to study 
the record on Mr. Dorsett, to look at his pictures, to hear what some 
of the staff members have, some of the statements from liis speeches, 
in which he didn't show any of the concern or compassion usually asso- 
ciated with a clergyman, I think you, too, would find his comments 
were quite out of order. 

I, for one, in looking at the pictures of him dressed as he was, in the 
boots and insignia usually associated with storm troopers, got the feel- 
ing that a person like that could hardly level charges against us. 

I think quite appropriately you answered this, and I think the rec- 
ord ought to show that the committee supports you in Avhat you have 
said. 

The Chairman. Is that all ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from his 
subpena. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. Appell. Ralph Powers. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the tiiith, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Powders. I affirm. 

The Chairman. I am sorry. 

Do you affirm that the testimony you are about to give will be the 
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth ? 

Mr. Powers. I affirm. 

The Chairman. You so affirm ? 

Mr. PowTSRS. Yes, sir. 



2078 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

TESTIMONY OF RALPH POWERS, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. State your full name for the record, please. 

Mr. Powers. Ralph Powers. 

Mr. Appell. P-o-w-e-r-s ? 

Mr. PowEKS. Yes, 

Mr. Appell. Are you appearmg before the subcommittee this after- 
noon in accordance with a subpena served upon you at 3 :45 o'clock 
p.m. on the 13th day of October 1965? 

Mr. Powers. Yes. 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Powers. Yes. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel identify himself for the record, please? 

Mr. Chalmers. My name is Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., an attorney 
at law at 501 First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Powers, Avhen and where you born ? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Will you give the committee your educational back- 
ground ? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Will you give the committee your employment back- 
ground ? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell, Were you served with your subpena at R.F.D. 
Cheraw, South Carolina, while you were on a fishing trip? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of iVmerica. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Powers, the subpena served upon you commanded 
you to bring with you and to produce before the committee items called 
for in an attachment which was made a part of the subpena. 

Part 1 of the attachment reads: 

All books, records, document.s, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire. 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. and aflSliated orga- 
nizations, namely the Alabama Rescue Service, South Carolina Rescue Service, 
Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club, Realm (State) of South Carolina, in your 
possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as an 
officer or employee of the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club, South Carolina 
Rescue Service, Realm (State) of South Carolina of the Invisible Empire, United 
Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as United Klans 
of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

In accordance with the provisions of your subpena, I ask you to pro- 
duce the documents called for. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2079 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 13, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is such 
inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolu- 
tion 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in subpena dated October 13, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the 
amendments 5, 1,4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of 
America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the witness be instructed and 
directed to produce the documents called for. 

Tlie Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, heretofore in connection with all of 
your clients who previously took the stand we entered into the follow- 
ing stipulation: That the witness has been furnished a copy of the 
chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, that he is familiar 
with its contents; (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the 
documents called for are made to the witness in the official representa- 
tive capacity as described in this subpena. 

That stipulation applies to this witness ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It applies to this witness ; yes. sir. 

The Chairman. I order you, Mr. Powers, to produce the docu- 
ments called for in paragraph 1 of the attachment to the subpena 
duces tecum served upon you. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to produce those documents for 
the reasons heretofore given. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Powers, under the conditions of the subpena you 
were directed to bring with you and produce those items described in 
the attachment which was made a part of the subpena, part 2, reading: 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to yon. in your capacity 
as an oflBcer or employee of the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club, South 
Carolina Rescue Service, Realm (State) of South Carolina of the United Klans 
of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and 
Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be maintained by you 
and any other officer of said organization, the same being in your possession, 
custody or control. 

Under the terms of the subpena, I ask you to produce those docu- 
ments. 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to produce those documents for 
the reasons heretofore stated. 

The Chairman. It is agreed, I take it, that the previous stipula- 
tion is now entered into with reference to paragraph 2 of the subpena. 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Powers, I order and direct you to produce 
tliose documents. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to produce those documents on 
the grounds heretofore stated. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 



2080 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Powers, did you know the gentleman who was a 
witness immediately preceding you, Mr. Charles E. Maddox? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr, Powers, I hand you the same copy of a check that 
I handed Mr. Maddox, a copy of a canceled imprinted check, of the 
Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club, payable to S. C. Rescue Serv'- 
ice in the amoimt of $78.00. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that the Ralph Powers whose name appears 
as the cosigner on this check is yourself. 

(Witness confers Avith counsel.) 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Check previously marked "Charles Maddox Exhibit No. 4.*' See 
p. 2069.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Powers, the Peoples Bank of Cheraw, South 
Carolina, in accordance with a subpena served upon it, produced cer- 
tain records and documents maintained by that bank in the name of 
the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club. The signature cards 
reflect that this account was opened on July 13, 1964, and that there 
w^as submitted originally the names of Tom B. Busch, W. P. Rivei*s, 
Sr., and Frank R. Shirrell, and I ask you whether you knew the three 
names that I mention to you to have been at that time, July 1964, 
officers of the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club is, in fact, a 
Klavem, Klan or Klavern of the United Klans of America in Cheraw, 
South Carolina. 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The signature card indicates that a change in the 
account's authorized signatures was effective on 11-30-64, with the 
addition of the name Ralph Powers. 

I ask you if you are the Ralph Powers whose name was added as of 
November 30, 1964? 

Mr. Pow'ERs. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. A copy of the second signature card supplied by the 
Peoples Bank of Cheraw reflects that on March 31, 1965, a new signa- 
ture card Avas filed for the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club, this 
time containing the signatures of Ralph Powers, T. E. Hutson, and 
Francis W. Lide. 

I show you a reproduction of both signature cards and ask you if 
the names which appear on the second signature card were known, the 
individuals were known, to you as officers of the Chesterfield County 
Sportsman's Club? 

(Documents handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2081 



Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "Ralph Powers Exhibits Nos. 1-A and 1-B," 
respectively, follow :) 



Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 1-A 



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In consideration of services rendered, or to be rendered, by Peoples Bank of Cheraw, the under- 
sized hereby aothoriies and empowers said bank to cliarge my, or our. open account each month with 
sncb charges for services as are now in effect or may hereafter be authorized by the Ciearing House of 
Cheraw, 8. C. It is agreed that the banlc shall not be liable for damages, if after making the said 
charge or charges against my or our accoaot, it shall be so reduced that checks issued by me are 
refused payment for insufficient funds. 

It la agreed that any claim that I or we may make, questioning the accuracy of any statement of 
account furnished by said bank, or the genuineness or correctness of paid vouchers or checks 
drawn by me or the accuracy of the bank's records eoneeming the same, shall be filed with the bank 
in writing by the 15th day of the month foUowng the month in which vouchers or checks aro paid : 
and X or we agree that failure to file such claim within such time shall constitute a waiver of any 
claim on my or our part other than a right to have any error or inaccurate entry on such state- 
ment corrected, and no liability shall accure against the bank other than to make snch correction 

The undersigned hereby agree to the conditions en the back of this card under which items are 
credited and received for collection. 

The ^ 



jignatores (Insert number of signatures) written below are 



the itily asthoriied signatures and ">^ of which yon will recognise in 

payment of fnnds^nd the transaction of ouisr business l»foxi.T account. /7 ^y. 








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risM «Md «« mK ii»a n said bonk to choro* my, or our opan account aach month with such chorgas for 

<«aa da or* now bi affocf or nwy haraoftor b« owlhoriiod by tha Ctaaring Housa of Cheraw, S. C. It is osraod 

•fc* bank thvll not ba llofela far rfi wia yM , If aftar moUno ttx said chorga or chorgat agoinst my or our 
aMt, l» shall ba so roduood ttiot dtodu lasMMt by mt ora rofuaad paytnant for intw<R<lanl furtds. 



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n ■ aifraaa mat a«y doMn mat i or «m may tmmm, qvaslioniM ma accuracy of any si 
fwrwialta d by aaW bonk, or tim fOKlnaaa si ar eorr^ftwf of paid vaudwrs or chacks drown by 
a4 Iha bank's rocord* eoMsmiaa Mm soma, ahrt b* fM wMt rtia bonk in writing by tha IM 
fotlawla t Hw monlti In wMd« vowchart or chodts ara poH »ni I or wa ograa Ihot a follura lo flla such doim 
wMita audi tiana atwH eonalHMa a wohrar of aay dalm en my or our port othar than o right to hav« any error or 
lwc Q< ru»a aotry aa awth statamaof aarrxtad, ond no Hobiilty shall accrue against tha bonk othar Iban to maka 
suoi aorracfion. 

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^tr^n .. ^ whijt^^w will racognlca In poymant of funds 



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2082 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Do you know K. E. Scoggin to be Grand Dragon of the 
Realm of South Carolina ? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of a canceled check dated May 21, 
1965, payable to R. E. Scoggin in the amount of $51, cosigned Ralph 
Powers and Francis W. Lide. 

I ask you the purpose for which that check was drawn ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Po\VERS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Check marked "Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 2" appears on p. 2083.) ^ 

Mr. Appell. I ask you if that check was drawn to the order of 
Mr. Scoggin as a part of the official business of the Klavem known 
as the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club ? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I am wondering if you can advise the committee why 
Mr. Scoggin, instead of depositing that check in some account, cashed 
it at a place which is apparently the "Welcome Grille." 

Mr. Pool. Place that in the f onn of a question. 

Mr. Appell. Let me restate that question. 

Please advise the committee why this check was cashed and en- 
dorsed in the manner as shown on the reverse thereof rather than 
deposited into an official account of the Realm of South Carolina. 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Appell. Mr. Powers, I hand you a copy of a canceled check 
of the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club dated May 21, 1965, 
payable to the Alabama Rescue Service. 

I invite your attention to the endorsement on the reverse side of 
that check, which contams the initials "ARS, UKA, By R. E. Scog- 
gin." It contains a further endorsement "For Deposit Only. W. F. 
Eubanks, Spartanburg, S.C." 

T ask you if this check was drawn to pay the imperial tax to the 
imperial office of the United Klans of America, and, instead, en- 
dorsed by Mr, Scoggin and apparently cashed by Mr. W, F, Eubanks ? 

(Witness confers with counsel,) 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Check marked "Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 3" appears on p. 2084.) - 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of a canceled check dated June 28, 
1965, payable to R. E. Scoggin, with Ralph Powers as one of the co- 
signers, which contains the endorsement "R. E. Scoggin," and shows 
that it was cashed at the First State Building and Loan Association. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Appell. Was that check issued to Mr. Scoggin in connection 
with the official functions of the Realm of the South Carolina Klan 
known as the Chesterfield County Sportsman's Club ? 



1 Also used as Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 25-B in Oct. 28. 1965. bearings. 
= Also used as Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 26-B In Oct. 28, 1965. hearings. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2083 



Mr. Powers. 1 respectfully decline to iinswer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Check marked "Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 4" appears on p. 2085.) ^ 



Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 2 




1 Also used as Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 25-A in Oct. 28, 1965, liearings. 
59-222 O— 67— pt. 2 9 



2084 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 3 








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Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions to 
ask of Mr. Powers. 

The Chairman. Mr. Powers, you were in the liearing room when I 
questioned the previous witness concernint? his allegiance to the Klan 
as against his allegiance to his country and its Constitution ; were you 
not? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 
Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 4 



2085 




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Mr. Powers. I respectfully 

Mr. Chalmers. I will stipulate that he was. 

The CiiAiRMAX. It is stipulated that he was. I appreciate that 
stipulation, because I doivt want to belabor the point. I am coming 
to another one. 



2086 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAX IN THE U.S. 

Would you agree, Counsel, to save going through the same material, 
may I ask him if his views and his responses are the same concerning 
the relative allegiance to the United States as against the Klan ? 

If it will embarrass you, I will ask him. 

Your counsel has stipulated — that means he admits — that you were 
in the hearing room and that you did hear my questions to the pre- 
vious witness about his affirmation before this committee, and what I 
had to say about Mr. Shelton and Mr. Dorsett going outside and com- 
menting on their loyalty to the Klan and so on. 

I will just ask you, because this leads to another question, do you 
consider your allegiance to the Klan, under the oath you take as a 
Klansman, to be superior to your allegiance to your country and its 
Constitution? 

Mr. Powders. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Is your affirmation before this committee instead 
of the taking of an oath, which you did upon becoming a member of 
the Klan, a way of your showing your contempt for this committee ? 

Mr. Powders. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. That leads me to the ultimate question I have in 
mind. 

The committee, with reference to those who affirm instead of swear 
before God might have to be called upon to make a judgment in its 
report on these hearings as to what it, the committee, feels is the posi- 
tion of such people. 

Don't you worry about it, we will try to get at the bottom of it. 

In that connection, I ask you again whether you feel that your 
allegiance to the Klan is superior to your allegiance to your country 
and to your obligation, under the decisions of the Supreme Court that 
I cited in my opening statement, to testify before congressional com- 
mittees, saving only an honest belief that to so testify would incrimi- 
nate you? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Powers, do you deny that you hold the position or 
office set out in the subpena ? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. Do you deny that you possess documents required by the 
subpena ? 

Mr. Powers. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon gi'oimds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. That is all. 

The Chairman. Those questions do not weaken the stipulation that 
we made. 

Mr. Chalmers. And I certainly hope they don't strengthen it. 

The Chairman. Touche, 

(At this point Mr. Ashbrook left the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. The witness is dismissed and discharged from his 
subpena. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. Appell. Arthur Robert Nix. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2087 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Nix. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF ARTHUR ROBERT NIX, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. Will you state your name for the record ? 

Mr. Nix. Arthur Robert Nix. 

Mr. Appell. That is spelled N-i-x ? 

Mr. Nix. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Are you appearing before the committee in accordance 
with a subpena served upon you at the Deering-Milliken Research 
Corporation, at 12 :55 p.m., on the 11th day of October 1965 ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, if I may state, sir, I will stipulate 
whatever the subpena shows we will stipulate to. 

The Chairman. If it is important to state for the record 

Mr. Appell. I asked him, Mr. Chairman, was he appearing in ac- 
cordance with a subpena served upon him at the Deering-Milliken 
Research Corporation at 12:55 p.m., on the 11th day of October 1965? 

The Chairman. Counsel stipulates that the representations of the 
subpena are correct ? 

Mr. Chalmers. That is correct. 

The Chairman. The representations on the return of the subpena. 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Nix, are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Nix. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Would counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Nix, when and "where were you bom ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the rea- 
son that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Appell, did he give his age ? 

Mr. Appell. I just asked him when and where he was born, sir, 
and he declined to answer. 

Mr. Pool. Are you an adult? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the rea- 
son that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 
of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Nix, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that you were born on March 20, 1944, at Spartan- 
burg, South Carolina. 

Mr, Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the rea- 
son that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Nix, under the conditions of the subpena served 
upon you, you were ordered to bring with you and to produce : 

All books, records, (locuments, correspondence and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 



2088 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

United Klaus, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and aflBliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, South Carolina Rescue 
Service, Realm (state) of South Carolina, in your iwssession, custody or con- 
trol or maintained by you or available to you as Grand Kligrapp, South 
Carolina Rescue Service, Realm (state) of South Carolina, of the Invisible 
Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also 
known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you in accordance with the provisions of your subpena to 
produce the documents called for in section 1. 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and 
all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated October 
11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to the sub- 
ject under investigation and the same would not aid the Congress in 
the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is such in- 
quiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by Rule 
XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolution 
8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in a subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of 
America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I request that the witness be ordered 
and directed to produce the documents called for in paragraph 1. 

The Chairman. Mr. Counselor, we have previously entered into the 
following stipulation: (1) That the witness has been furnished a copy 
of the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, and that he 
is familiar with its contents; (2) that the directions of the subpena to 
produce the documents called for are made to the witness in the official 
representative capacity described in the subpena. 

That stipulation is now entered into? 

Mr. Chalmers. It certainly is, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Nix, I order and direct you to produce the 
documents called for by paragraph 1 of the attachment to the subpena 
duces tecum served upon you. 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to produce those documents based 
upon the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Nix, under the conditions of the subpena served 
upon you, you were ordered to bring with you and to produce items 
called for in an attachment which was made a part of the subpena, 
part 2 of which reads : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda in your i>osses- 
sion. custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Grand Kligrapp, South Carolina Rescue Serv'ice, Realm (state) of South 
Carolina, of the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, 
which the "Constitution and Laws" of said organization authorize and require to 
be maintained by you and any other officer of said organization, the same being in 
your possession, custody or control. 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to produce those documents based 
upon the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the witness be ordered and 
directed to produce the documents. 

The Chairman. It is stipulated that the previous stipulation as 
made with reference to paragraph 1 is applied to paragraph 2 ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2089 



Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Nix, I order and direct you to produce the doc- 
uments ordered by the second paragraph of the attachment to the sub- 
pena duces tecum sen-ed upon you. 

(At this point Mr. Ashbrook returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to produce those documents based 
upon the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mv. Appell. Mr. Nix, are you the son-in-law of Don Cothran, the 
Grand Dragon for the Realm of Florida ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the rea- 
son that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of 
the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Nix, were you a delegate to the supreme klonvoka- 
tion held by the United Klans of America at the Dinkler-TutAviler 
Hotel in Birmingham, Alabama, on September 5 and 6 of 1964? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a printed form, printed by the Dinkler- 
Tutwiler Hotel which states: "I wdll be attending the convention of 
the Alabama Rescue Ser,," with a request for two double bedrooms. 
It is signed "Robert Nix & Party, 205 Strange Ct., Sptg.," which I 
assume is the abbreviation for Spartanburg, South Carolina. 

I hand you a copy of the request for hotel registration and ask you 
if you are the one that filed this with the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Arthur Nix Exhibit No. 1" follows:) 

Arthur Nix Exhibit No. 1 




MAKE YOUR HOTEL RESERVATIONS NOW! 



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2090 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of the registration card of the 
Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel, and ask you if you signed this registration 
card when you registered in the hotel for the klonvokation which I 
have mentioned. 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Arthur Nix Exhibit No. 2" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. I ask you if you were present at the klonvokation 
when the United Klans of America meeting in klonvokation under 
the name of the Alabama Rescue Service reelected without opposi- 
tion Robert Shelton as Imperial Wizard ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Were you accompanied on that trip, or did you join at 
the hotel, by the Grand Dragon for the Realm of South Carolina, 
Robert Scoggin? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. At the time you registered at the Dinkler-Tutwiler 
Hotel, did you hold the position of ^rand kligrapp, or secretary, for 
the Realm of South Carolina, which is known also by the name of the 
South Carolina Rescue Service ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Were other members of the realm on the grand level, 
as Grand Dragon Robert E. Scoggin — was he on the grand level as 
the Grand Dragon ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was the Grand Klaliff Younger Newton? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. AVas the grand klokard James O. Davis, of Sumter, 
South Carolina ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was the grand kludd Wilburn Samuel Cox, of Hem- 
ingway, South Carolina ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. AVas the grand klabee the gentleman who preceded 
you on the stand, Charles Elwood Maddox, of Camden, South Caro- 
lina? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was the grand kladd William "Bill'' Bullock, of 
West Columbia, South Carolina? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. AppELLfc AVas the grand klarogo Carlyle F. Lewis, Jr., of 
Sumter, South Carolina ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2091 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Ai-PELL. Was the grand klexter E. I). Huston, of Whitney, 
South Carolina? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was the grand night-hawk Steve Broadway, of Cam- 
den, South Carolina? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was the klokann chief Wilburn Jesters Cox, of Hem- 
ingway, South Carolina ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was a member of the klokann committee Buddy Knox, 
of Columbia, South Carolina? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Was the Klan kleagle Theodore Boyce Spires, of 
Saluda Springs, South Carolina ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Were you secretary of the Klavern to which the 
Grand Dragon, Mr. Scoggin, is also assigned ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a signature card filed for an account in the 
name of Lodge 21, United Klans of America, opened May 6, 1964, 
containing the signatures R. E. Scoggin, Arthur Robert Nix, and 
H. M. Smith. In showing you this, I put it to you as a fact, and ask 
you to affirm or deny the fact, that the signature Arthur Robert Nix 
as appears on this signature card is your signature. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Arthur Nix Exhibit No. 3-A.") 

Mr. Appell. Did you know Mr. Scoggin to be the exalted cyclops 
in addition to being Grand Dragon for the realm ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. In June of 1965, the t29th day of June 1965, was your 
name dropped from this account and thereafter the names on the 
card were R. E. Scoggin, J. M. Brown, R. L. Brown ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Arthur Nix Exhibit No. 3-B.-' Exhibits 3-A 
and 3-B appear on p. 2092.) 

Mr. Appell. Do you know J. M. Brown 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline 

Mr. Appell. I am not finished yet. — to be chief of the security guard 
of the United Klans of America in South Carolina ? 

Mr. Nix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2092 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2093 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Cliairnian, tlie staff has no further questions to 
ask tliis witness. 

The CiiAiRMAx. Those are all of the questions ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Does the Ku Klux Klan, including its young members, 
advocate fighting communism not only here in America but also in 
Vietnam? 

Mr. Xix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. I could ask a more pointed question, but I will refrain. 

Mr. AsHBROOK. I have no questions. 

The CiiAiRMAx. Tlie witness is excused and discliarged from his 
subpena. 

Mr. Nix. Thank you, sir. 

The Chairman. Please call your next witness. 

Mr. Appell. Furman D. Williams. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God? 

Mr. Williams. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF FURMAN DEAN WILLIAMS, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. Would you state your full name for the record, please, 
sir ? 

Mr. Williams. Furman Dean Williams. 

(Members of the subcommittee present at this point : Kepresenta- 
tives Willis, Pool, and Ashbrook.) 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. WiLLLVMS. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel identify himself for the record, please? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. xIppell. Mr. Williams, when and where were you bom ? 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as granted to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affinii or deny the fact, that you were born on January 7, 1936, in 
Cherokee County, South Carolina. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. I will ask Mr. Chalmers if he will stipulate that the 
subpena was served upon Mr. Williams at the Top Dollar Store, Broad 
and Main Streets, Orangeburg, South Carolina. 

Mr. Chalmers. I will stipulate if it shows that. I am certain that 
is it. 



2094 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, the subpena served upon you calls for 
you to bring with you and to produce before the committee documents 
described in three parts : 

(1) All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating 
to the organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible 
Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also 
known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and 
aflaiiated organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Cherokee Sports- 
man's Club, South Carolina Rescue Service, Realm (state) of South Carolina in 
your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you 
as present or former official of the Cherokee Sportsman's Club, South Carolina 
Rescue Service, Realm (state) of South Carolina, of the Invisible Empire, United 
Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the United 
Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you under the conditions of the subpena to produce the docu- 
ments called for. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by the committee under subpena dated 
October 13, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolu- 
tion 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in a subpena dated October 13, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner entered the hearing room.) 

Mr. Chalmers. The same stipulation, please, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. I think I better read it. 

Mr. Chalmers, we have made the following stipulation all along: 
That the witness has been furnished a copy of the chairman's opening- 
statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its con- 
tents; (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the docu- 
ments called for are made to the witness in the official representative 
capacity described in the subpena. 

That stipulation applies ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

First, I order and direct you to produce the documents called for 
by paragraph 1 of the attachment to the subpena duces tecum served 
upon you. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to deliver those documents 
based upon the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, under part 2 of the subpena you are 
directed to bring with you and to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your ca- 
pacity as present or former official of the Cherokee Sportsman's Club. South 
Carolina Rescue Service, Realm (state) of South Carolina, of the United Klans 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2095 

of America, Inc., Knights of the Kii Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and 
Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be maintained by you and 
any other officer of said organization, the same being in your possession, custody 
or control. 

Under the terms of the subpena, I ask you to produce the documents 
called for in part 2. 

(Witness confers Avitli counsel.) 

Mr. "Williams. I respectfully decline to produce those documents 
based on the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the Avitness be ordered and 
directed to produce the documents called for in part 2. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation just made applies? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairmax. I order and direct you to produce those documents. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to produce those documents 
based on the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Part 3 of your subpena called for you to produce : 

Copies of U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Service, Form 1040, 
[entitled] "U.S. Individual Income Tax Return," for the calendar years 1958 
through 1964, filed by you as an individual taxpayer with the U.S. Treasury 
Department, Internal Revenue Service. 

Under the conditions of your subpena, I ask you to produce the docu- 
ments called for. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to produce those documents 
based on the grounds heretofore stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. W^illiams, what is your educational background? 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 
1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, that your education is that of 
the 10th grade. I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you joined the United Klans of America, Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan, on September 12, 1963. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were the first member of the Klavern which became 
known as the Cherokee Sportsman's Club. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were known within that Klavern as No. 2972. 

Mr. AViLLiAMS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you became exalted cy clops of the Klavern on March 4, 
1964. 



2096 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN EST THE U.S. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, the committee has subpenaed, by sub- 
pena duces tecum, the bank records of the Cherokee Sportsman's Club, 
address Route 1, care of Dean Williams, Gaffney, South Carolina. 

There are three signature cards which I will exhibit to you. The 
first shows that the account was opened on November 23, 1963, with a 
deposit of $15. The signatures, the authorized signatures, on the first 
card were Dean Williams, S. F. Blanton, J. W. Peterson. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to afSrm or deny the fact, that 
they were on the original card. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel. ) 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Before showing you the copy again, the second card 
contains the name of Dean Williams, effective June 2, 1964. 

I cannot read the second name. 

The third name is John Weaver. 

A new card was filed on August 12, 1964, containing the names 
Dean Williams, W. O. Jolly, Jr., Bobby Joe Cooper. 

I hand you the copy of the signature card back and put it to you as 
a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that these were the 
second and third set of authorized signatures to the account in the 
name of the Cherokee Sportsman's Club. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "Furman Williams Exhibits Nos. 1-A through 
1-C," respectively, appear on pp. 2097 and 2098.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, I hand you a copy of a check, a can- 
celed check, dated September 1, 1964, paid to the order of "R. E. 
Scoggins," in the amount of $9.25, the purpose for which drawn is 
"August — Tax." Typed over the cosigners for "Cherokee Sportsman 
Club" is W. O. Jolly, Jr., and Dean Williams, 

I ask you if this check was given to Mr. Scoggin as it appears on 
its face as the Klavem tax due to the realm under the Constitution and 
Laws of the United Klans of America. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, I ask you to look at the reverse of that 
check and observe the endorsement thereon. Can you advise the 
committee why this check, payable to "R. E. Scoggins," sho^nng on its 
face "August — Tax," was apparently later deposited to the account 
of the Hayne Esso Station, Hayne and Williams Streets, Spartanburg, 
South Carolina? 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Furman Williams Exhibit No. 2" appears on 
p. 2099.) 1 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, in the latter part of November or early 
December 1964, did the Cherokee Sportsman's Club cease to exist as a 
Klan of the United Klans of America, Realm of South Carolina? 



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Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that that did happen. 



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Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that some of the membership of this Klavern formed an 
organization which is known within Klan circles as the Underground. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you headed the organization known as the Underground 
until recently. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the members of the Underground which you headed have 
trained themselves in the use of explosives, rifles, and are advocates of 
violence. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Mr. Williams, I ask you if you have any knowledge 
that other Klaverns have similar groups, though possibly not known 
by the technical name of the Underground ? 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Williams, I ask you if the organization known 
within Klan circles has recently had a change of leadership ? 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



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Mr. Appell. I put it to you <as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the leadership in early September changed into the hands 
of Joe McCluny. 

The Chairman. What? 

Mr. Appell. I put it to him as a fact, and asked him to confirm or 
deny the fact, that in early September of this year the leadership of 
this Klan changed into the leadership of Joe McCluny. 

Mr. Weltner. Is that the leadership of the Underground ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. September 1964? 

Mr. Appell. September 1965. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 



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2100 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact that the Grand Dragon for the Reahn of South Carolina, 
R. E. Scoggin, knew of the existence of this organization. 

Mr. Williams. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. You have not called Mr. Scoggin yet ? 

Mr. Appell. No, sir. 

The Chairman. Will you ask him that question ? 

Mr. Appell. I certainly will, sir. 

Mr. Chairman, I would like to state for the record at this point, in 
view of the inquiry which seems to be going on with respect to the 
spelling of the Grand Dragon's name, it is spelled interchangeably 
S-c-o-g-g-i-n or S-c-o-g-g-i-n-s. 

Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions to ask this wit- 
ness. 

The Chairman. Mr. Williams, you will be continued under subpena 
until November 15, but you are now excused as a witness. 

Tlie committee will stand in recess until 10 o'clock tomorrow morn- 
ing. . . -r. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 

Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Ashbrook. ) 

CWliereupon, at 4 :20 p.m., Wednesday, October 27, 1965, the sub- 
committee recessed, to reconvene at 10 a.m., Thursday, October 28, 
1965.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS 
IN THE UNITED STATES 

Part 2 



THURSDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1965 

United States House of Representatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 

Washington, D.C. 
public hearings 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities 
met, pursuant to recess, at 10:15 a.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon 
House Office Building, Washington, D.C, Hon. Edwin E. Willis 
(chairman) presiding. 

(Subcommittee members: Representatives Edwin E. Willis, of 
Louisiana, chairman; Joe R. Pool, of Texas; Charles L. Weltner, of 
Georgia ; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio; and John H. Buchanan, Jr., of 
Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Weltner, 
Ashbrook, and Buchanan. 

Committee member also present: Representative George F. 
Senner, Jr., of Arizona. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; William 
Hitz, general counsel; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel; Donald T. Appell, 
chief investigator ; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will please come to order. 

Mr. Appell, call the first witness. 

Mr. Appell. Robert E. Scoggin. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand, sir. 

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed, Mr. Appell. 

TESTIMONY OF ROBERT E. SCOGGIN, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Appell. Would you state your full name for the record, please, 
Bir? 

Mr. Scoggin. Robert E. Scoggin. 

Mr. Appell. Would you spell your last name for the record, please, 
sir? 

Mr. Scogcin. S-c-o-g-g-i-n. 

2101 



2102 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Are you appearing before the committee this morning 
in accordance with a subpena served upon you at your residence, 818 
Saxton Street, Spartanburg, South Carolina, at 12 :20 o'clock on the 
11th day of October 1965 ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. lam. 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I am. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. 
Room 501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, when and where were you born ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel that my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 
1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you were born on May 12, 1922, in 
Polk County, North Carolina, and that at the time of your birth 
your last name was spelled S-c-o-g-g-i-n-s. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 
1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, will you set forth your educational back- 
ground ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that your education is that of elementary school. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Will you give the committee your employment back- 
ground ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that as a part of your employment background, you 
served in the United States Navy from August 29, 1942, until October 
17, 1945. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that in addition to being Grand Dragon for the Realm 
of South Carolina, you are self-employed as a plumbing and electrical 
contractor. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you have acted as the exalted cyclops 
of a Klavern located in Spartanburg, South Carolina, known as the 
Twenty-One Club. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2103 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you are currently Grand Dragon of the Reahn of 
South Carolina. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, under the condition of the subpena 
served upon you, on October 11, 1965, you were commanded to 
bring with you and to produce certain documents which were set 
forth on the subpena, an attachment to the subpena, and which was 
made a part of the subpena. 

Part 1 reads: 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Twenty-One Club, South 
Carolina Rescue Service, Lodge 21, United Klans of America, Realm (state) of 
South Carolina, in your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or 
available to you as Grand Dragon, South Carolina Rescue Service, Realm (state) 
of South Carolina, and as an officer or employee of Twenty-One Club and/or 
Lodge 21. United Klans of America, Realm (state) of South Carolina. 

Under the terms of the subpena, I ask you to produce the documents 
in your posession. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane 
to the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the 
Congress in consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by the House 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all 
documents as demanded by the committee in its subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might 
tend to incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to 
me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United 
States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I request that the witness be ordered 
and directed to produce the documents called for in part 1 of the 
attachment. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, we have entered into the following 
stipulation in previous instances: (1) Tliat the witness has been fur- 
nished a copy of the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 
1965, and that he is familiar with its contents; (2) that the directions 
of the subpena to produce the documents called for are made to the 
witness in the official representative capacity described in the subpena. 

That stipulation is now entered into with reference to this witness? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. I am not sure whether you were in the audience 
all along, Mr. Scoggin. I want to say to you that I am going to direct 
you, order and direct you, to produce those documents, which carries 
the meaning that the committee is in disagreement with your invoca- 
tion of constitutional privileges and your failure to produce these 
documents would, in our opinion, subject you to a contempt citation. 



2104 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

With that statement, I now order and direct you to produce those 
documents. 

]\Ir. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, part 2 of the attachment which was made 
a part of the subpena calls for you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Grand Dragon. South Carolina Rescue Service, Realm (state) of South Caro- 
lina and as an officer or employee of Twenty-One Club, and/or Lodge 21, United 
Klans of America, Realm (state) of South Carolina, of the United Klans of 
America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" 
of said organization authorize and require to be maintained by you and any 
other officer of said organization, the same being in your possession, custody or 
control. 

In accordance with the terms of the subpena, I ask you to produce 
the documents called for in part 2. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The stipulation will apply to this paragraph? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. I order and direct you to produce those docu- 
ments. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, part 3 of the subpena calls for you to 
produce: 

Copies of U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Service, Form 1040, 
[captioned] "U.S. Individual Income Tax Return," for the calendar years 1958 
through 1964, filed by you as an individual taxpayer with the U.S. Treasury 
Department, Internal Revenue Service. 

I ask you to produce those documents called for in section 3. 

Mr. ScoGGiisr. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you have never filed an individual tax return. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my riglits as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

The Chairman. Mr. Scoggin, in this instance the subpena refers to 
an individual income tax return. The information indicates that you 
did not file any. I wish to say that since this refers to your individual 
income tax return, I will not order you to produce the documents and 
I respect your right to invoke the fifth amendment. 

This draws a distinction between my order a while ago and the 
situation we are now facing here. In the first two paragraphs you 
were ordered to produce documents in your possession having to do 
with the organization. You have no right to invoke the fifth amend- 
ment on that. 

The reference to your individual income tax returns draws a dis- 
tinction between our views with reference to your right to invoke the 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN TPIE U.S. 2105 

privileges of the Constitution in one case involving individucal affairs 
and in the other involving your possession of documents concerning 
your organization. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Scoggin, is your failure to produce these rec- 
ords, other than the income tax information which I understand you 
have invoked the fifth amendment upon because you feel it might tend 
to incriminate you to produce them — is your failure to produce these 
other documents because your loyalty to the Ku Klux Klan exceeds 
your loyalty to the United States, or, in fact, because you feel this 
might tend to incriminate you ? 

Mr. ScoGciN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. Is the Invisible Empire, in your mind, an empire 
to which you owe greater allegiance than the United States? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scogg:in, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you have been a member of the Ku Klux 
Klan organization since the year 1957. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of an application for a Post Office 
Box, 4144, Spartanburg, South Carolina, an application made by 
K. E, Scoggin for the U.S. Klans, Inc., described on the application as 
a fraternal organization, signed R. E. Scoggin, 12-29-58. 

I put to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that you 
were the applicant for this post office box. 

("Witness confers with counsel. ) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 1" appears on 
p. 2106. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that in what was known as Spartanburg Unit No. 21 under 
the U.S. Klans, which was under the leadership of Imperial Wizard 
Eldon Edwards, that you were the EC of Unit 21, Spartansburg, 
South Carolina. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. EC means exalted cyclops ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that within the organization known as the U.S. Klans you held the 
position of grand titan. I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact that within the organization 
known as the U.S. Klans that you held the position of Grand Dragon 
for the State of South Carolina. I ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact. 



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Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that during the days of the U.S. Klans, during the 
leadership of Eldon Edwards, that you knew A. W. Holman of 
Columbia, South Carolina, to be the Imperial Klabee. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that as a result of a break between the U.S. Klan and 
Mr. Holman, that he formed an organization known as the Chessmen. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you Imew Robert M. Shelton, of Tuscaloosa, 
Alabama, to be a Grand Dragon under the U.S. Klans. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2107 

Mr. ArPELL. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you knew that Robert M. Shelton was relieved 
from liis office of Grand Dragon for the State of Alabama by Imperial 
Wizard Eldon Edwards because he failed to make proper accounting 
of funds received by him in his position of Grand Dragon for the 
Realm of Alabama. I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you knew as Grand Dragon of the U.S. Klans R. L. 
Davidson of Macon, Georgia. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that after the death of Eldon Edwards in 1960, that 
R. L. Davidson became the Imperial Wizard of the U.S. Klans. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask ^ou to affirm or 
deny the fact, that with the Grand Dragon of Georgia, Mr. Davidson 
broke away from the U.S. Klans and formed an organization which 
was chartered in the name of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., chartered in the State 
of Georgia. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that it is under that charter that the organization is 
operating today as United Klans of America. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that between February of 1961, when the United Klans was 
incorporated, and July 8, 1961, there were merged together the 
United Klans and the Alabama Knights of the Ku Klux Klan then 
headed by Grand Wizard Shelton. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the organizational meeting following the merger of these 
two organizations was held on July 8, 1961, in Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that there were some 500 Klansmen from seven Southern 
States present at the meeting at the Indian Springs for the purpose of 
consummating the formal structure of this new organization. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that when Mr. Shelton appeared at that meeting that he came 
accompanied by an eight-man security squad dressed in white shirts, 



2108 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

red ties, khaki par<atroop pants, white belts, black boots. Marine-like 
helmets, with a bayonet hooked to the left side of each belt. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to afRmi or deny 
the fact, that it was at this organization where dues to the imperial 
office at the rate of 25 cents per member were fixed to be paid to the 
imperial office and that this money was to pay the salary and expenses 
of Imperial Wizard Shelton, 

Mr. Scx)GGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that at that organizational meeting you were elected the 
Imperial Kladd of the United Klans of America, Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the dues remained, the dues to the imperial level re- 
mained, as 25 cents a month until an amendment to the Constitution 
and Laws adopted at a klonvokation in Birmingham, Alabama, in 
1964, when it was raised to 50 cents per member, 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I decline to answer that question based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. And that 50 cents per member was to be remitted 
by every member within the Invisible Empire embracing a number 
of States presided over by Imperial Wizard Robert M. Shelton; is 
that correct ? 

Mr. Appell. That is right, sir. However, Mr. Chairman, our files 
reflect that, as we noted in the record already, the close vote by which 
this increased assessment was carried at the klonvokation, that many 
Klaverns did not start complying with the additional increase until 
sometime in March or April 1965 even though the constitution was 
amended in September 1964. 

I put it to you as a fact that at that organizational meeting held 
July 8, 1961, that Robert M. Shelton was elected without opposition 
as the Imperial Wizard ; I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that he has held that office since without opposition. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Robert L. Thompson was elected at that organizational 
meeting in July 1961 as the Imperial Klaliff, or vice president. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact 

The Chairman. If you have a nimiber of them, embody all of them 
in one question and just read slowly. 

Mr. Appell. All right. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2109 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
Robert Bing, Sr., of Jonesboro, Georgia, was elected Imperial 
Klokard; that Eobert A. Creel, of Bessemer, Alabama, was elected 
Imperial Khidd; that Alvin Sisk, of Bessemer, Alabama, was elected 
Imperial Kligrapp; that Fredrick Smith, of Tuscaloosa, was elected 
Imperial Klabee; that Billy Henderson was elected Imperial Klexter; 
and that Dr. Pedigo, of Tennessee, was elected Imperial Night-Hawk. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that the Robert Creel, elected to the position of Imperial 
Kludd, is now Grand Dragon for the Realm of Alabama. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Appell, was this meeting booked in the name 
of the Ku Klux Klan to which you referred? Is that how they 
booked the facilities, in the name of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Appell. As to that founding meeting in 1961, Mr. Buchanan, 
we do not know how they booked that one. 

Mr. Scoggin, did you attend the klonvokation held in Birmingham, 
Alabama, on September 5 and 6 of 1964 at the Dinkler-Tutwiler 
Hotel? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did you attend a klonvokation held, at the same hotel 
in February of 1964? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of a hotel registration card of the 
Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel, Birmingham, Alabama, signed "Mr. and Mrs. 
R. E. Scoggin" ; firm represented : "Alabama Rescue Service." 

I hand you a copy of this card and put it to you as a fact, and ask 
you to affirm or deny the fact, that you signed that card when you 
registered at the hotel on February 8, 1964. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 2." Previously 
marked "Robert Shelton Exhibit No. 15-E." See p. 1653.) 

Mr. Appell. I hand you two documents. One is a request of the 
hotel, advance request for a reservation, on a printed card by the 
hotel, which says, "I will be attending the convention of the Ala- 
bama Rescue Service." It is signed "Mr. and Mrs. R. E. Scoggin," 
818 Saxon Avenue, Spartanburg, South Carolina, and I show you a 
copy of the actual registration executed at the time you registered 
into the hotel. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the information contained on the request for registration and the regis- 
tration card itself is fact. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2110 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

(Documents marked ''Robert Scoggin Exhibits Nos. 3-A and 3-B," 
respectively, and retained in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affinn or 
deny the fact, that at the klonvokation on February 8 and d, 1964, 
that Robert Thompson, who was elected Klaliff in 1961, was again 
reelected to tlie office of Imperial Klaliff,or vice presndent ; that W. O. 
Perkins was elected Imperial Kligrapp, or secretary; that Fredrick 
G. Smith, who was also elected in 1961, was again elected to the office 
of Imperial Klabee, or treasurer. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the klonvokation which was held on September 5 and 
6 at the same hotel, also in the name of the Alabama Rescue Service, 
they elected the following officers : Imperial Wizard, Robert Shelton, 
without opposition ; as the Imperial Klokard, Robert Collins ; as the 
Imperial Kludd, Reverend George Dorsett; as the Imperial Kladd, 
Robert Hudgins, of Raleigh, North Carolina ; as the Imperial Klarogo, 
Walter Brown, of Sumter, South Carolina ; as the Imperial Klexter, 
Robert Korman, of Miami, Florida; and as the Imperial Night-Hawk, 
Dr. Pedigo, who was elected to that similar position at the founding 
convention in 1961. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that J. L. Brown, a member of your Klavern, served on the 
nominating committee. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. We had earlier mentioned that it was at this klonvo- 
kation that the assessment to the imperial was increased. I put it to 
you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that the vote on 
that issue was carried by a vote of 163 for, and 144 against. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. How did you vote ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, it was announced at that klonvokation 
that the minutes of the klonvokation were to be distributed to each 
realm so that the Grand Dragons could have copies of the proceedings. 

Did you receive proceedings of that klonvokation ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do you still have them in your possession? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, the committee's in\estigation estab- 
lishes that tlie United Klans of America uses the opportunities of its 
public rallies to assemble its Grand Dragons together for the purpose 
of discussing items of common interest to the United Klans of America. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2111 



AVere you suininoiied to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, a few days after I 
interviewed Imperial Wizard Shelton to discuss what procedure you 
people would follow in the course of the committee's inquiry into the 
United Klans of America ? 

IMr. ScoGGiN. I resi^ectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. On November 21, 1964, did you attend a rally and 
meeting of Grand Dragons and stay at the Capri Motel, Jacksonville, 
Florida? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Yesterday it was identified in the record that the 
grand kleagle, or organizer, for South Carolina, was Theodore Boyce 
Speires.^ Does he hold that position ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN, I resjiectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of a registration at the Capri 
Motel, November 21, 1964, executed by R. E. Scoggin. It shows 
that accompanying you was Boyce "Speires*' ^ and wife. I hand you 
this card and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the information contained on this registration card, a 
copy of Avhich I hand you, is factual. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 4" follows:) 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 4 



N? 12605 



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1 Correct spelling "Spires". 



2112 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, were you aware of the fact when you 
w^ere there in November 1964, that there had been a bombing of a 
residence of a Negro family by the name of Godfrey in Jacksonville, 
Florida, in February ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. One of the persons arrested in connection with that 
bombing was named Rosecrans,^ and he confessed to the fact that he 
and some others had conspired to bomb this residence because the 
young Godfrey boy was the first Negro to attend public schools there 
and was attending school as a result of a court order. 

During the time that you were staying at the Capri Motel, did you 
participate in discussions with respect to Rosecrans? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that some of the coconspirators in that case who were not 
affiliated with the United Klans of America, but with tlie United Flor- 
ida Ku Klux Klan, met with the leadership of the United Klans of 
America at the Capri Motel. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask 3'ou to affirm or deny 
the fact, that a part of the discussion that involved Rosecrans was 
how to get him out of jail and, thereby, take care of him after you got 
liim out because he gave a confession. . 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Robert Creel, the Grand Dragon of Alabama, became 
so intoxicated at 8 o'clock in the morning on November 22, 1964, he 
wanted to go into the city and shoot his way into a restaurant in order 
to get some breakfast. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you people had to subdue him in order to keep him from 
carrying out his threat. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, did you attend a rally or a meeting of 
Klan leaders on May 15-16, 1965, in Natchez, Mississippi ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you did attend, that you registered at the Eola Hotel, 
and that you were accompanied by W. S. Cox, an official of the United 
Klans of America, Realm of South Carolina. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



1 William S. Rosecrans. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2113 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that also registered there at the same time was Robert M. 
Shehon, tlie Imperial Wizard; Calvin Craig, the Grand Dragon for 
Georgia; Eaymond E. Anderson, the Grand Dragon of Tennessee; 
Robert M. Creel, the Grand Dragon of Alabama ; Don Cothran, the 
Grand Dragon of Florida, together with other United Klans of 
America officials throughout the Invisible Empire. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the United Klans of America, also known 
as the South Carolina Rescue Service, is not chartered to do business 
in the State of South Carolina. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact . 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairmax. Does the law of South Carolina require regis- 
tration? 

Mr. Appell. To my understanding it does, sir, by a foreign 
corporation. 

Mr. Scoggin, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that there was elected to your grand board as the Grand Kla- 
liff, Younger Newton, of Columbia, South Carolina ; as grand klokard, 
James O. Davis, of Sumter, South Carolina; as grand kludd, Wilburn 
Samuel Cox, of Hemingway, South Carolina; as grand kligrapp, 
Robert Nix, of Spartariburg, South Carolina; as grand klabee, Charles 
E. Maddox, of Camden, South Carolina; as ^rand kladd, William 
"Bill" Bullock, of West Columbia, South Carolina ; as grand klarogo, 
Carlyle Lewis, Jr., of Sumter, South Carolina ; as grand klexter, E. D. 
Huston, of Whitney, South Carolina; as grand night-hawk, Steve 
Broadway, of Camden, South Carolina; as klokann chief, Wilburn 
Esters Cox, of Hemingway, South Carolina; as grand kleagle, 
Theodore Boyce Spires, of Pocalla Springs, South Carolina. 

The Chairman. Do you have the date of the meeting ? 

Mr. Appell. I do not have the date, Mr. Chairman. 

I ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I hand you a reproduction of a news- 
paper clipping which is datecl September 27, 1965, the Rock Hill, South 
Carolina, Heralds which contains a photograph of a man in a Klan 
robe identified in the photograph as Steve Sloan ; identified in the story 
as an organizer for the Realm of South Carolina. 

I ask you if this identity of Sloan is factual ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 5" and retained 
in committee files.) 



2114 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chairman. Mr. Reporter, you will insert the documents into 
the record at all times in the order that they were commented upon 
and/or exhibited to the witness. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, in St. Augustine, Florida, in the summer 
of 1964, one of the principal rabble-rousers for the violence that 
occurred there, was a man who is at times referred to as Reverend but 
is known as Connie Lynch. 

Do you know Connie Lynch? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you did know Connie Lynch as a Klansman. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that on a personal invitation from you, Connie Lynch spoke 
at a rally in Spartanburg, South Carolina, on August 17, 1963. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that speaking on the same platform with Connie Lynch was 
Imperial Wizard Shelton; the Grand Dragon of Georgia, Calvin 
Craig; the Grand Dragon of North Carolina, James R. Jones; and 
yourself, introduced as Grand Dragon of South Carolina. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully declme to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. "Wlien I interviewed Mr. Shelton on April 14, 1965, he 
identified you to me as the Grand Dragon of the Realm of South 
Carolina. 

Was the information that Mr. Shelton gave me in an interview on 
April 14, 1965, factual? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Shelton also advised that Connie Lynch was a 
a man who would never appear on a United Klans of America 
platform. 

In light of what I read to you, is that information factual? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, 1 earlier mentioned the elections on July 
8, 1961, and the election of Alvin Sisk as the Imperial Kligrapp or 
secretary. 

Did you accompany Sisk in an airplane ride which had scheduled 
as its final destination Washington, D.C., which crashed, and as a 
result of w^liich Alvin Sisk died? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
iipon the gromids previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. I have an article which appeared in the Greenville^ 
South Carolina, Neios, of 8-28-63, which contains as part of the story 
a photograph of Imperial Wizard Shelton in a hospital bed. It looks 
like he might have had a broken wrist as a result of the accident. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2115 



This states that Alviii Sisk, the pilot, died as a result of injuries sus- 
tained; that the other three passengers were identified as Fredrick 
Smith, Bob Scoggin, and Imperial Wizard Shelton. 

I ask you if the story Is factual ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Eobert Scoggin Exhibit No. 6" follows:) 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 6 

[Greenville (S.C.) News, August 28, 1963] 

PAGE EIGHT 

Klan Leader Hurt 




SENECA— Imperial Grand Wizard and Grand Dragon Robert M. 
Sheltoo of the Alabama Ku Klux Klan, who got a broken arm and 
other minor injuries in a plane crash near here Monday, is shown 
In Oconee Memorial Hospital here. Stielton and a companion, 
Frederick G. Smith, left the hospital Tuesday morning. 



59-222 O— 67— pt. 2- 



-11 



2116 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 6 — Continued 

Won't Continue To Washington 

Klansman To Go 
To Pilot's Rites 



By DOUGLAS MAULDIN 
News Staff Writer 
WALHALLA — A top-ranking 
Alabama Ku Klux Klan leader, 
Injured in a plane crash near 
here Monday, was discharged 
from a hospital Tuesday morn- 
ing and announced he would not 
continue to his original destina- 
tion, Washington. D. C. where 
a civil rights march is sched- 
uled Wednesday. 

Instead. Robert M. Shelton, im- 
perial grand wizard and grand 
dragon of the Alabama Ku Klux 
Klan, said he would go to Madi- 
sonville. Ky., for funeral services 
of Alvin D. Sisi<, pilot of the ill- 
fated craft. 

Sisk. 350 -pound n.nn who 
escaped barely alive early Mon- 
day afternoon with .Shelton and 
Frederick G. Smith, all of Tusca- 
loosa. Al.'i . died in Oconee Me- 
morial Hospita' in Sonera at .3:1.5 
«> iT> Tiiocrtav 

Shelton and Smith, who had 
lesser injuries, polled the pilot 
from the wreckage. 

Oconee County Coroner Floyd 
Owens said Sisk's death was 
caused by head and chest in- 
jtiries. 

The single engined plane, prob- 
ing for a break in dense fogi 
cloaking the mountainous areaj 
at the time, smashed into trees 
on Medlin Mountain 25 miles 
north of Walhalla. 

Coroner Owens empaneled a 
jury but said he did not know 
whether an inquest would be 
necessary. 

Davenport Funeral Home of 
Walhalla shipped Sisk's body to 
his mother's home in Madison- 
ville, according to hospital auth- 
orities. 
EN ROUTE TO SPAKTAJ^JBURG 

\Vhen the Cossn* SkylaiM crack- 
ed up about 1:30 RJn. 78 yards off 
U. S. High\*ey 107,' <^e three men 
were en rov>r to' Spartanburg, 
where they "laid, ilwy were to 



pick up a fourth passenger. Iden- 
tified as Bojj g^og fi jg g^ active 
with Piedmont area Klan affairs. 
Accompanied by Scoggins, Shel- 
ton and Smith appeared at Sheriff 
D. H. (Buck) Crenshaw's office 
! early Tuesday afternoon. They 
I talked with the sheriff and the 
I coroner and indicated they would 
jbe glad to a.ssist in any way pcs- 
;sible with investigation of the 
j crash. 

j They said their immediate con- 
jCern was with the family of the 
dead pilot and they planned to 
1 attend his funeral services 
I Coroner Owens said Shelton 
1 and Smith blamed a faulty alti- 
j meter with the accident. They 
I said Sisk had dropped the light 
j craft down from 11.000 feet to 
I 4,500 feet searchinc; for an open- 
ing in the fog when they sud- 
denly hit the trees, 40 rainuto* 
out of Chattanooga. Tenn., (heir 
last refueling stop. 
The pilot wa.< apparent I v un 

aware of the highway's presence, 
as visibility at ground level Mon- 
day afternoon was extremely 
limited. The plane skimmed over 
the road by about 100 feet be- 
fore "sficing a path 15 yards wide 
into the trees. 

Investigators of the Federal 
Aviation Agency and the S. C. 
[Aeronautics Commis.sion came to 
:the scene Tuesday to determine 
j officially why the plane fell. 
I The roped-off wreckage in a 
I clump of trees wa.s under guard 
I by Civil Defense auxiliary police 
and Sheriff Crenshaw's deputies 
jail night. 

"BUSINE.SS TRIP" 
Shelton nor Scoggins would re- 
veal the purpose of the Washing- 
ton trip, except to say it was a 
"business trip." 

Scoggins, a Spartanburg plumb- 
er, indicated he would continue 
on to the Capital City, however. 
.Sheriff Crenshaw said about 75 
Ku Klux Klan pamphlets were in 
the plane's wreckage. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2117 

Mr. Appell. It seems that, according to the story, Mr. Shelton was 
hospitalized onl^ for 2 days. 

Did you receive any compensation as a result of being involved in 
this plane crash ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Appell. What insurance company made settlement of any filed 
by you or Mr. Shelton ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggm, I hand you a clipping from the Rock 
Hill, South Carolina, Herald^ of September 2, 1965, which reads : 

A Klan rally cancelled last month has been reset for Sunday at 5 :00 p.m. on 
the Hollis Lakes Road between new and old Highway 5 ; William Duncan, who 
identified himself as the Kleagle, told the Herald today. 

He said that Bob Scoggin of Spartanburg, state Klan leader, would speak and 
that a cross would be burned. 

Is the identity of William Duncan as kleagle or organizer factual ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grcimds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 7" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, we, in interrogating Imperial Kludd or 
Chaplain Dorsett yesterday brought out that many statements, deroga- 
tory statements were made by Imperial Kludd Dorsett against police 
officials in various States where he has been used by the United Klans 
of America to make pitches for funds. 

Is this a common practice among Klansmen, to tear down the char- 
acter of people that disagree with the Klan ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The Florence, South Carolina, News, of April 5, 1965, 
reporting on a rally held at Hemingway, South Carolina, quotes you, 
because the mayor of Hemingway opposed the rally, and as a result of 
some statements of characterization that he made about the Klan, 
as saying that you said during a part of your speech, "the mayor of 
Hemingway is an unadulterated liar." 

Does the newspaper quote you factually ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I resjDectfuUy decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 8*' and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. xVppell. The Charleston, South Carolina, News and Courier, 
of April 3, reports on a rally which followed a condemnation of 
the Klan by Governor Russell, of South Carolina. The newspaper 
reports : 

Gov. Russell's suggestion that Imperial Wizard Shelton could serve no useful 
purpose in coming to South Carolina for a Hemingway rally drew sharp criticism 
from Scoggin. 

Scoggin pictured Shelton as "a greater patriot than the governor" and said he 
would be in Hemingway to introduce the imperial wizard. 

Does the newspaper quote you factually ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2118 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. The newspaper further quotes you as saying, and I 
quote from a paragraph in the article : 

Scoggin, 42-year-old Spartanburg plumbing and heating contractor, declared 
flatly, "We do have membership in law enforcement agencies in South Carolina." 

Are you quoted, factually ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN". I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously st ated. 

Mr. Appell. I ask you for the identity of any members in a law 
enforcement agency that you have in South Carolina. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The newspaper further quotes you as saying, "He" — 
referring to Scoggin — "said the KKK has 'active lodges' in 31 of South 
Carolina's 46 counties including Charleston County." 

Were you quoted factually ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert. Scoggin Exhibit No. 9" appears on 
p. 2119.) 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that if you made that statement it was not factual. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, The State and The Columbia Record^ of 
Columbia, South Carolina, in an issue of June 20, 1965, contains a 
photo of 75 Klansmen standing on the capitol steps and refers to a 
rally that was held later. 

The story reports on rough treatment given members of the press 
because they did not follow the accepted procedure when attending a 
rally. 

Is freedom of the press denied to the press by the Knights of the Ku 
Klux Klan, United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 10"' and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. At that rally, did the Reverend or did George Dorsett 
make a pitch for funds? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. "Was the shill method of asking people to contribute 
money by having people, Klansmen, walk ujd as strawmen in order to 
get other people to follow them when donations of $100, $50, $25, or 
$10, were asked for from the crowd? 

Mr. Scoggin. I decline to answer that question based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. It was reported that there was $350 collected but in- 
formation in the committee's possession is tliat the sum was closer 
to $500. 

What was the amount collected at that rally? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2119 



Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 9 

[Charleston, S.C., News and Courier. April 3, 19(i5] 



Hemingway Sharply Rebuffs 
Scheduled Meeting Of Klan 

By LEVfiRNE M. PROSSER 
Staff Reporter 

HEMINGWAY — The Ku^ handful of »-ea residcnUs"' serve no useful purpose in com- 

Klux Klan and its leaders yes-': known to be Klan j^ympatnizers !?^ ^" ^""'^ ,?™J'"\ KJ 

the rally. Scoggin pictured Shelton as 

A poll by the News and Cour- - "a greater patriot than the gov- 

ier of 35 persons representing <^rnor" and said he would be 

all walks of Hemingway life. :!L:'.t^„',"«I.l>:io ^"^'""^"^^ '^^ 



terday were told in blunt lan- 
guage by a solid front of civic,' .7" '"X" 
govemroental and business^ ^' 

leadership that "decent peoplel 
of Hemingway" are "unalter-j 
ably opposed" to the hooded] 
society's cross-burning and rally' 
scheduled near here tonight. 

Mayor L. Durward Lewis — , . . . i lm 

backed by organizations repre-j f<"* "'s opposition to ihe Klaa 
senting more than 95 per centj Of the 35, only one expn^seti 
of the small tobacco-textile i qualified support lor the Klah. 
town's population -- called on| ^^jj^^ insisting he wasn't a merft- 



, ., , imperial wizard, 

yesierdav shewed M^ivor Lewis r^ ^ , , , , j , 

^ ■ ■ Federal, state, countv and lo- 

apparently ha.s wide support icai law enforcement officers are 

expected to keep a close eye on 
toniphi's activity by the Klan 
and its 'iadies Auxiliary " 

SLED agents, state highway 
patrolmen and the Williams- 
burg County sheriff's office will 
keep a lookout for possible van- 



ber of the Klan, he said he 'wel- 



area residents to boycott talks! 

by national Imperial Wizardi ^ ^ „ . , . 

Rpbert Shelton of Tuscaloosa,^ ^-^m^d the rally -not because 

Ala., 'slate 'Grand Dragon Rob-, 'i'" ^ '^'a" I'^^'^r ^"^ '^^^ \j^ dalism and law breakers 



ert Scoggin of Spartanburg anS' a (President) Johnson hater. 
other KKK leaders. An elderly lady said .she 

Strong oppositiMi to the rally would pray for a cloudburst to 
and KKK recruiting drive was wash out the rally" and "wash 
expressed in a joint telegram 'ip the dirty Klan" in spite of 



Wliiie the F'BI would not com- 
ment on what action it would 
take in connection with to- 
night's rally, it is known agents 
of the agency have been inves- 
tigating Klian activity here for 



Pear record rainfall during 
the past few days here. 

A small group of area white .the past three weeks. 
'ligh school student? early yes- \ Grand Dragon' Scoggin 
terday [xisted an estimated 40 
anti-klan signs throughout the 
.Johnsonville - Hemingwav - In- 
diantown sections in protest to 



sent to President Johnson, U. S 
Sens. Olin D. Johnston and 
Strom Thurmond. Rep. John L. 
McMillan and Gov. Donald S. 
Russell. 

The protest to the selection of 
a site near Hemingway for the 
KKK's first South Carolina meet- 
ing of the year was signed byl t^>c '"'''">'■ 
the local Junior Chamber of] One sign near Johnson- 
Commerce, Civitan Club. Amer-ville read "Stamp out 
ican Legion, the Hemingway! Boll Weevils. Toba^-co Worms 
City Council and the Williams-; and the KKK. Almost identical 
burg County Industrial Develop-' signs reading "KKK, Decent 
ment Board and legislative dele- P«>ple Don t Want \ou Here 
ggjjjjp vas posted near the Rehobeth 

comb^^^r em'phali^^i^"d on the Hemingway city lim^ made his comment bv telephon 

• its sign on the Crook s CrosS-| 
road highway. 

Mayor Lewis' statement fol- 
lowed an earlier protest to thej 
Klan gathering by Gov. Russell' 
•'.nd members of the Williams-) 
burg County delegation. 

'' Gov. Russell's suggestion that J white citizens 
Imperial Wizard Shelton could 



tonight's meeting of \Mge& 15| 
and 19 of the United Klans of| 
the Ku Klux Klan near Ard's 
Crossroads "could serve no use-j 
ful purpose." 

"We do not welcome the Man 
or any other extreme group," 
Mayor Lewis continued. 

Mayor Lewis said "only a 



en- 
route to tonight's rally, said last 
night members of some law en- 
forcement agencies in the state 
belong ti) the KKK. 

Scoggin, 42 - year - old Spar- 
tanburg pUimbing and heating 
contractnr. declared flatly, "We 
do have membership in law en- 
forcement agencies in South 
Carolina" 

Scoggin de'lmed to say which 
law entorcement agencies He 



He .said the KKK has "active 
lodges' in .il of South Carolina's 
46 counties inr lading Charlestott, 
County. J 

Scoggin declared that the ral-l 
ly will be open to the public 
"and we welcome them (SLED 
and the FBri along with other 



2120 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. What was the distribution of the funds collected at 
that rally ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, the Columbia, Soutli Carolina, State^ 
in its issue of April 7, 1965, reports on a story of a Negro who was 
taken from a jail cell and beaten. The newspaper quotes you as 
saying: "I'm positive it was not any of our United Klan boys"; that 
you were going to conduct an investigation ; and "If we find that it 
was, I'll state that the due process of law should prevail." 

I would like to ask you, did you conduct an investigation as you 
promised ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 11" and retained 
in committee files.) 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. Was it as a result of an investigation conducted by your 
Klan Bureau of Investigation which brought about the arrest of L. 
Cornell Wise and Philip Plamkin, a member of the Prosperity, South 
Carolina, police force, who was not on duty the night he and Wise 
allegedly took the Negro from his cell ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Ashbrook left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Appell. As a matter of fact, this arrest came as a result of 
police investigation and not as a result of any investigation by the 
Klan ; is that not correct ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, the Savannah, Georgia, Press of Septem- 
ber 7, 1965, carried a story on the rally lield at Chester, South Caro- 
lina. To be exact, it was 5 miles east of Chester on State Highway 
97. It identified among the speakers Robert Scoggin, Grand Dragon, 
and Younger Newton, of Columbia, the State Klan's Grand Klaliff. 

Is the report of the newspaper factual ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I resfjectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 12" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mr. Younger Newton, the Grand Klaliff, or vice presi- 
dent, of the Realm of South Carolina, oi)erates the Heritage Garment 
Works, which manufactures Klan robes and other paraphernalia. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do membere of the United Klans of America in South 
Carolina and Georgia purchase robes from Heritage Garment Works? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Do any profits from the manufacture and sale of these 
robes accrue to anyone other than the Heritage Garment Works ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2121 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. ArPELL. Did you attend a rally in Salisbury, North Carolina, 
on August 8, 1964? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

yiv. ArrELL. Mr. Scoggin, I show you a reproduction of a photo- 
graph that appeared in the Charlotte Observer of Sunday, August 
30, 1964, and I ask you if you are the individual identified in the cap- 
tion as "Robert Scoggins,*' Grand Dragon, South Carolina, pictured 
along with Fred Lee Wilson, the grand klabee, or treasurer, of North 
Carolina, and J., it says here, Eobert Jones, though it is Robertson 
Jones, Grand Dragon for the State of North Carolina? 

(Document handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 13." Original 
photograph previously marked "Fred Wilsou Exhibit No. 7.") 

Mr. ArpELL. Mr. Scoggin, do you know Dan Burros ^ Avho is the 
Grand Dragon or grand kleagle for the State of New York? 

Mr, Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you met with Dan Burros, who traveled from New York 
to Hemingway, South Carolina, to meet with you oyer the week-end 
of September 17-19, 1965. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. According to the Richmond, Virginia, Times-Dispatch, 
of July 25, 1965, a story datelined Raleigh, North Carolina, July 24, 
you are quoted as saying that, "There is nothing wrong with this or- 
ganization," referring to the United Klaus of Amenca, Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan, "let them investigate.*' 

Was that a truthful statement, Mr. Scoggin ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin P^xhibit No. 14" appears on 
pp. 2122 and 2123.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that until a slight increase in membership 
within the past month or 2 that your Klavern in Spartanburg, South 
Carolina, has not consisted of more than 25 men. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
uix)n the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that in February of 1965, discussing the lack of organization 
of the United Klans of America in South Carolina, that you reported 
that you purposely were keeping this organization on a low ebb be- 
cause you wanted to maintain it small, under strict discipline, with a 
view to going underground if liecessary . 



1 Committed suicide, Oct. 31, 1965. 



2122 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 14 
[Richmond, Va., Times- Dispatch, ]\i\y 25, 1965] 



KKK Is Striving 

for an Image of 
Respecta hility 



RALEIC, 

Mux K1nn .i^fii 
of an <\npri-'. 



;,ul>iiii..hilf 



iirirked in a N'onh Cn'olina 
cow pasture, and prf'dicttKi ; 

• r5y 1968 wo will Iw one of 
the most powerful voting blo«s 
in tfic nation." 

Ro \) fi f^ Shr lton. a fr.Hil-Iook- 
ing - m an " "lynTrf Tuscaloosa. 
Ala., .idded, "We arc not fin 
organization o( bi^oLs. We are 
not haternonjfrs We don't 
wfar mH.'^ks. \V(> aiT not afraid 
to .show oursclvos. We will 
show onrseivrc of 'en — at the 
poll-s." 

The Grand DraRon "f tli'- 
North Carolina Klan sto«x1 on 
a platform in ;t cornfield and 
said. "Tw civil rights gmups 
often throw thoso nonviolent 
bricks and usr those nonvio- 
lf»nt lead pip«"^. but it is the 
KKK thnt ;•<■'< &r b,-id puh- 
licity. • 

ROIi*;,ftJ. JIONKS of Granite 
Quarry, N. i(*'.""aiWed. "Ijonk 
at that irr>nv "^ Klansmen 
there in the white robes T!iey 
are not dir uneducated lod- 
necks of vvhich \ou rear! so 
luudi ;itHrtit One owns a 
i:r<H-ery store, another « Ixidy 
^li'>[i, Thev uri' resp«'ctable 
•iiotuber>; of the community " 

Tlie Grand Drau<tn of the 
South (';M^i|ina Klan said. 
"Wf re i,'oin;4 to fi^;ht to the 
deatii for the white race in 
every WMV ll>:il i'^ lionnrjihlo." 

Then Hob_ Si- og^in of Spar- 
tanburg; addf•'1**''^wr^ Is noih- 
inc wron^i u:h this organi/a- 
•ion. let ihfm mvestiEate." 



The K'l Klux Klan, faced 
with a letli-rai Investigation 
ami dr'ermmt'd to tx-rome an 
influen'ii 1 j>olitirn1 sf-g.-nent of 




AP Wircpholo 

RolKTt Shelton 

Imperial VVi/m-d 

:.itjon, Is aitemptinc to 
. : r forevi- -ts inia^je as a 
I. .-. ' rider \n fl'Twinjj white 
) ,\m'>. armed «i h a whi[» and 
^ biirnliii; fross 

THE KI^N LFADKHS pub- 
lii-aily attack anv form of vio- 
lence A klansmnn accused 
of an nulomobilf liombinK in 
the North Carolina community 
of New Bern was ousted fr-im 
the organization and openly 
criticized at a KKK meeting 
for his actions. 

A form^'r Klansman who 
had served a pns..n term was 
asked to leave the .site of a 
KKK rally been use "you tn- 
dungpr tht image of the 
Klan." 



The KKK want.* the ftmall 
busmess man the white and 
the blue collar workers. 

Klan MT^etings now are open 
to the publi'-. wher*" once they 
were in the shadows of 
secrecy. 

NEWSMEN AND photo- 
graphers are welcomed, al- 
t>iough e-^rorted at ail times 
hy steel-helmeted security 
traards. the police and protfr- 
t:ve arm of ihc Klan. 

T»^'^ security puard. vvitii ll^ 
gray-hloe uniforms and para- 
trooper jump tiof )>,■!. serves a 
flual pui^m-se for the newsmen. 
They protect them fn>m any 
assault by overzealous Klan 
su|i(>'>rtcrs who quesiion the 
fairness of the pres.s, and pix>- 
hibif pi -tun's ofan>x>n« In the 
crowd who objects. 

The Kl;m leaders still give 
members the right to anonym- 

i'y- 

A Klansman once said, 
".Sign up. No one will eve 
know if that's the way you 
want it " 

llie KKK makes no bones 
at>)Ut i;s principal purjvisc 
separation of the races, the 
while :i|iail horn the black. 

IN KKCENT MONTHS, as 

the Klan Increa.sed the tempo 
of its rallies and the search 
for money and members, ver-i 
l>al attacks against the ,Tcws 
and the Catholics have all but 
disappeared. 

The Negro is th«> target. 

Negro demons- rrat ions are 
pointed to as Un\ breaking ac- 
. lions, jgoing unpunished. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2123 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 14 — Continued 



' A sharp line is ilrav\n h\ 
the Klan hotvwnn the white 
man who aids Xhr fix il ri^^hts 
nio\t'mpnt and \Uc one who 
does not. V 

A KJan.sman '•.lid oncp in 
privacy, "TIip K1\K is nn land 
for the homo.sp\Linl nv '.ho 
Communist. Lot ihr .\"gro 
ha\e them. \\> want the man 
with the clean 'ihii-t and shoes. 
If they are heatn:ks. I't rhem 
join the civil riRhts m-x- - 
mrnv" 

TIIK KKK ro^lizfs ■.: i- ( ;- 
posed bv m.iny intlu»^nii>il :•■- 
lii:iM',K leari'Ts and thus has 
launched .t series of slinging 
..ttaoks agaiast the National 
("'■iim-il '.f Churches. 

The council Is accused re- 
peatedly of failing under the 
influent 1' of Communist teach- 
ings. 

The K'lan takes no party 
lines, although vicious slurs 
are aimed at President John- 
.son and especially Vice Presi- 
dent Humphrey. 

T'lc denunciation of the Vice 
Pfe-^rJent. who always is re- 
ferrt-(l to as "Hen-House Hum- 
phnv." brings the loudest ap- 
plau>;c at any KKK rally. 

The rallies combine segre- 
Kati'-n and the Holv Bible. 



■rhc\ are part se^ireRation. 
part reiigion. 

At Klin meetingrs, he they 
In .1 (oinfield, a cow pasture, 
or a canebrake, liquor is for- 
bidden. 

AT I.KAST TA%0, often 
tlsrce, mimsiers speak, talking 
in the fire and brimstone tone 
"1 the old tent revivals. 

All Kl in rallies end with the 
Hi -Minir of a giant cross, often 
•n to 70 feet tall. 

ii;- i;:jh!s are off. the 
torches lit, and the Klansmen 
parade single file around the 
cross Suddenly, the torches 
are tossed forward and the 
cross, wrappe<d in burlap hags 
which have been soaked in 
kerosene, erupts in flames. 

For several hours after the 
rallies end the flames, casting 
eerie shadows, can be seen 
for miles. 

To accentuate its desire for 
new members, the Klan has 
staged, In recent months, 
many street walks in cities. 
towns and country crossroads 

Robed Klansmen, escorted 
by security guards, and fol- 
lowing the flags of the United* 
States and the Confederacy, 
walk silently down the main 
streets. 



THEY ARE ORDERED hy 

letders to be silent and peace- 
ful. 

As Grand Dragon Jones 
once said to his Klansmen, 
"Don't say a word to any of* 
the burr-heads (Nesjroes) it 
this town, just let them kno\# 
we are here." 

The Klan also is trying to 
erase its image as a Southern 
organization. It is attempting 
to e.stfihlish branches throuc;h 
out the nation, especially in 
the northeastern and far wesi- 
em states. 

Shelton once said, "We are 
spreading throughout the 
United States and even ninv 
have chapters in England and 
Canada. In one state alone 
we are issuing charters at the 
rate of 40 a week and it takes 
25 members to qualify for a 
charter." 

He refused to name the 
state. 

A Klansman, one who 
works all week and th«n 
spends his week ends in KKK 
activity, was asked why he 
became a member, why he 
donated his time free. 

He answered: 

"Because I am a ivhite 
man." 



Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I ])ut it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you did make such a report. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to sinswer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. When a few months prior to this the Cherokee Sports- 
man's Club dissolved and formed an organization known as the Un- 
derground, was this action taken with your approval? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did you discuss with Furman Dean Williams the type 
of training which his small group would engage in following the 
termination of the Cherokee Sportsman's Club? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously staled. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you knew that these men were engaging in explosive 



2124 ACTR'ITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

demonstrations and equippino; themselves with firearms and becoming 
experts in the use thereof. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairmax. Mr. Appell, in that connection, I would like to 
make a statement prior to a question. 

I have in my hand a pamphlet called The Klan In Action^ with 
titles of "Leadership, Responsibility, Organization, Method." 

On page 21 appears : 

INTELLIGEN'CE COMMITTEE. 

This Committee is the eyes and ears of the Klan Army. Upon it depends the 
knowledge of enemies within and without, upon it rests the duty of furnishing 
the information upon which all plans must be based. Unless this Committee 
is effective, the best Klan will * * * fail. * * * 

Then under "Members" I see this passage : 

The membership of this committee should be kept secret from the members of 
the Klan and even, if thought advisable, from the other members of the com- 
mittee itself. In that case the committee would hold no meetings, but each 
individual member would report individually to the Exalted Cyclops. * * * 

Under "Duties" is this passage : 

To protect the Klau from the actions of unfaithful members ; to investigate 
members whose actions are suspicious or who seem to show lack of proper 
regard for any part of their oath. 

To protect the Order by advising of spies and enemies within the Klan. 

To find the sources of all adverse propaganda reiwrted by the Propaganda 
Committee. 

******* 

To investigate other societies and organizations. 

Mr. Appell exhibited to you a news article in which you said to 
him, or in the article it said, you boasted that you had Klan members 
in law enforcement agencies. 

Do members of this intelligence committee try to penetrate and do 
penetrate law enforcement agencies? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert 'Scoggin Exhibit No. 15" and retained 
in committee files.) 

The Chairman. Is it not a fact that within your realm you have a 
committee of this type, by whatever name it is called ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Under Federal law, a witness before this or any 
other committee is entitled to be reimbursed at the rate of 7 cents per 
mile and $9 per day. Not only as a member of this committee, but as 
a member of the Judiciary Committee, and as a Member of Congress, I 
have urged passage of a bill introduced to increase the rate of pay to 
12 cents per mile and $16 per day. 

Some of the witnesses, I am told by the staff, who have appeared thus 
far have complained, and I think rightly so, that they can hardly get 
by with this pay. 

My question is this: So far as you, Mr. Shelton, Mr. Jones, and 
other high officials in the realms of the United Klans of America are 
concerned, is it a fact that you are charging your expenses and hotel 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2125 

rooms to your organizations over wliicli you have jurisdiction, whereas, 
the other members do not enjoy tliat special privilege ? 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

First, let me ask another question: If, and I take it ultunately we 
will get information on it, it is a fact that at the high levels the leader- 
ship enjoys the special pay privileges; was that authorized by the 
membership ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. All right. Proceed. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, at a board meeting of the officials of the 
Eealm of South Carolina in November 1964, did you report that you 
were not able to get by on the 25 cents per man assessment, and there- 
fore you were proposing that dues be raised from $1 a month to $2 a 
month, and that the per capita assessment to the realm be increased 
from 25 cents to 50 cents ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Did you report at that meeting that you spent over 
$2,000 for travel and you had only gotten $300 from the various 
Klaverns to support you ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gi'ounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. With respect to the amount that you received, I put 
it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that you got 
much more than that. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, do you know the Capital City Sports- 
mans Club to be a Klan of the United Klans of America within the 
Realm of South Carolina ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. The signature card filed with the account of the 
"Capital City Sportsmans Club #9," Columbia, South Carolina, shows 
that the authorized signatures eifective September 11, 1964, w^ere 
William F. Polk, James D. Shaylor, and Robert E. Owen. 

Did you know those three individuals to be officers of a Klan known 
by the name of Capital City Sportsmans Club? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 16" api3ears on 
p. 2127.) 

Mr. Appell. The September signature card was revoked on Au- 
gust 17, 1965, when new signatures were submitted : Robert E. Owen, 
Richard M. Smith, and Bill W. Walters. 

Did you know those gentlemen to be officers of a Klan known by the 
by the name of Capital City Sportsmans Club? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin P^xhibit No. 17" appears on 
p. 2127.) 



2126 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. That card was voided on September 5, 1965, with an 
additional signature card containing the signatures of Bill W. "Walters, 
James F. Smoak, and D. L. Eeed. 

I hand you copies of the actual signature cards to which I have 
referred. I ask you to examine them. Then I put it to you as a fact, 
and ask you to aflSrm or deny the fact, that you did know these indi- 
viduals to be officers of a Klan group known as the Capital City 
Sportsman Club No. 9. 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 18" appears on 
p. 2128.) 

Mr. Appell. I show you a check dated 9-14-65, payable to "Robert 
Scoggins," in the amount of $50, a printed copy of a canceled check, 
rather, written over the three signatures contained thereon, "Capital 
City Sportsman Club #9." Purpose for which drawn : "Payment on 
car." 

On the reverse of the check is the signa^ture "Robert Scoggin." 
Under that a further endorsement "Deposit Only, South Carolina 
Rescue Service Charles E. Maddox.'" 

I hand you that and I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that the information contained on that check is as I 
read it to you. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 19" appears on 
p. 2129.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, are you known within the Klan of South 
Carolina as "Colonel"? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I show you a check dated January 25, 1965, Capital 
City Sportsmans Club #9, "Pay to the order of Col. Robert Scog- 
gins," in the amount of $16, endorsed "Col. Robert Scoggin." 

Can you explain the designation of "Colonel" ? 

(Document handed to witness. ) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 20" appears on 
p. 2130.) 

Mr. Appell. I show you a check dated August 3, 1965, Capital 
City Sportsman Club #9, R. E. Scoggin, $67.50, purpose for which 
drawn shown as "May and June." 

I ask you if May and June refers to the per capita tax due to the 
Realm of South Carolina, which is also known as the South Carolina 
Rescue Service ? 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Appell. I ask you, after answering the question, to look at 
the reverse of the check. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 21" appeai-s on 
p. 2131.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2127 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 16 

CONTINUED FROM OTHER SIDE 



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Thr under 91 j:nrd w«ivo» and *j;rrc» I hat the Bank may waive dcmaod, preiealmcnl (or pAymeot, notice o( diihonor, prolcat 
•nd ii.iiicr (>( urotfjl on alt itrniB. 

This Afrri-iucnt is not inlcndrd lo Conflict wilh or «tiper«cde «ny provistoa of ihe elatule Jaw of South Carolina an it exists oo 
ihr <i.ite of iJie cieculiun of lliis ■;;rf-frnrnl. a« tins ai;rrrmen( i* intended to cover only tnattcra not covered by aiicli »tatute Jaw; 
■ nii, in so far as any proviftittn hrrrol may conflict willi the elatulr law of South Carolina as it eiista on the dale of the eiecu* 
li<ii <y' lhi!> acrt-ement, then auch conflict inK provision ahall be ineffective, but all other proviBions hereof ahall continue la full 
f -rrr and effect. 

>if;naturr» of perron* authorized to aicn and endorse checks, drafts and notca io the name of the undersigned and which the 
Dank will recotinizr in paymrnl of fiinda and iransactioo of other buBincaa for the account of the undersigned, hereby revoking 
any ffrmer aicnaiurcs, arc ^iveo below. '' 

INLESS OTHEIUVISE STATK[> BELOW IN WHITING BY DEPOSITOR. ANY ONE OF THE SIGNATURES WILL BE 
REC(JaMZKD nV THE HANK AS SLKFICIENT. 

T'ifc ONLY AUTHORIZED blGNATUIlE(S) IS (ARE) AS SIGNED BELOW. 
X \JfHE^NDERSIGNED HAS READ AND SIGNED THE ABOVE AND KOHECOINC AGREEMENT THIS 





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BUSINESS ADDRESS f7:h'^/ '.A...,. , -^■./ '// ^ .^ ,^ '/l\<-^>\ ^'<. 

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Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 17 



CONTINUED FROM OTHcX iiOE 



XX Capital City Sportsman Club /,'9 



Thr undmii;:n''d WAivrst and agrees that the Bank may waive demand, prcftcotment for payment, notice of dishonor, protest 
and nulicr I'f protest on all items. 

Trii« a;:ro(-riunt i* not inrcndrd to conflict with or superdcde any provision of the statute law of South Carolina as it exists on 
the d.iic of ilic execution of this aprrcmrni, as this acrecment i» intended lo cover only matters not covered by auch statute Jaw; 
and. in <to far an any pro«ii*ion hereof may conflict with the statute law of South Carolina as it exists on ihc date of the exccu* 
ti"n o> this a^ffcmcnt, then such conflicting provision shall be ineffective, but all other provisions hereof shall continue in full 
force and effect. 

Si;:naturc» of prrKons authorized to sicn and endorse checkn, drafts and notes in the name of the undersigned and which the 
Bank will rcco;:nizc in payment of funds end transaction of other business for the account of the undersigned, hereby revokini; 
anv fnfmcr »i;;aaliircv, are pivcn below. 

UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED BELOW IN WRITING BY DEPOSITOR, ANY ONE OK THE SIGNATURES WILL BE 
RECOGNi/.F.D liY THE BANK AS SUFFICIENT. 

THE ONLY AUTHORIZED SlCNArURE(S) IS (ARE) AS SIGNED BELOW. 

THE UNDERSIGNED HAS READ AND SIGNED THE ABOVE AND FOREGOING AGREEMENT THIS 



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BUSINESS 



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Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 18 




J^mes F. Smoak (.ariaj 

CONTlMUED FaCi.1 OTHER SIDE D- -L* • KeGCl 

CAPITAL CITY SPORTSMAN CLUB No.y (^DyJBill W.Waxtcrs (.on^ 

witii ram-i'lloil vi>Mdnrs within iiiiii'ty iliiys aftiT tin- lust ila.v of suiil inutilli. llic IJan'K kIuII liavi- iln- rlrction 
A ii..'iiIiitL; t)u> f^nriK* to tltc hi&t known nililrrKK nf thf iin«l<-rsif;i;(il, at llur rihk an<l rx|M-nsc of (he un<!<*rsi(;nr(l, 
.iTi' Ihi' |....-iai;i' thiTiMin to the arromil of the \mil<Tsiiriiril, wilhnijt no(ir<? to thi- iinclirsitni''!. i 

. isi^rni'il waives anil ncn-es that the Hank inny waive ileniaiiil, jiresenlment for payment, notice of <liKlionur, pro- 
'.ee nf proleitt tni all items. 

• iiieni is not inteniled to londirt with or fiijurse'li- any provision of the Ftahiti law if South Cirolina as it 
lite .'f the •xeintion of this asreenient, as tliis aicieenient in inteniled to cover only Miatterx not covi-reil hy isnoh 
.1^ ..iiy provision hereof may omdirl with llie statute law of South ('arolina an it exists on the 
..1,-reenient, llien siirli Conflietine provision shall be ineffective, loit all other provisions here<if ' 
-.:,.] effect, 
.tutiioriretl to sif^u an<l emlorse rherks, ilraftt. and notes in the name of the i;nrlersii;i;e«l anil which 
1,.. .;i payment f»f fnmls and transaction of other hnsiness for the account of the undersijjned, hereby re- 

i. _- a r;n r ..uaiur.'S. are (riven below. 

.\Li .- uTilKKV.isK ST.VTKI) ItKI.OW IN WKITINO »Y DEPOSITOR, ANY ONK O."^ TIIK SI(;NATi;RE.S WILL BE 
UiA .lONi/ : !■ i'.V Tin; HANK AS SII':'"!. IKNT. 

.iIE ".SLV Al'TlIom/KI) SICNATI ;.i;(S) IS (ABK) \S SKJNKI) IIEI.OW. 

.ilB . \i.l.US|(;Ni;i) HAS UKAl) AND .SIG.'.KU THE AUyVE AND KOREOOING AGREEMENT THIS 



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CAPITAL CITY SPORTSMAN CLUB No. 9 



-TWO-S-Ki^AT-URii;S-REQU-IRED 



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DUSiNESS ADDRESS- 



-PHONE. 



RESIDENCE ADDRESS. 



_PHONE_ 



Mr. Appell. Having looked at the reverse of the check, Mr. 
Scoggin, it reads "R. E. Scoggin,"' and under that, the second endorse- 
ment "Shea's," 856 South Pme Street, Spartanburg, South Carolina. 

How is this money reportable to the imperial office, which has an 
obligation to report income by the Realm of South Carolina because 
it is only a geographical subdivision, when instead of placing this 
check paid for tax for the months of May and June, you cashed this 
check at a place called Shea's? 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you another check dated September 21— and 
invite your attention to it— being to Bob Scoggin, in the amount 
of $9. I invite your attention to the reverse of it, which contains the 
signature of Bob Scoggin. Then a further endorsement of J. N. 
Haulbrook, and a third endorsement which shows that it was deposited 
to the account of the Community Cash Stores. 

Can you explain that to the committee ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 22." Recordak 
copy not reproducible; retained in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. Yesterday, Mr. Scoggin, when we had as a witness 
Furman Dean Williams, and we were talking about or discussing on 
the record the account of the Cherokee Sportsman's Club, I exhibited 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2129 



Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 19 




to him a check on which he was a cosigner, on the imprinted canceled 
check there being "Cherokee Sportsman Chib," in the amount of $9.25. 

It says "August — Tax." It contains the endorsement "R. E. 
Scoggin" and a further endorsement "Hayne Esso Station." 

Will you explain to the committee how this is reported to the 
imperial office, for which they have a tax liability, when you take this 
check and cash it at Hayne's Esso Station ? 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2130 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 20 




(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 23. Previously 
marked "Furman Williams Exhibit No. 2."' See p. 2099.) 

Mr. Appell. I ask you the same question with respect to a check in 
the amount of $17, dated August 27, 1964, also drawn by the "Cherokee 
Sportsman Club,*' ])ayable to "R. E. Scoggins,"' which contains the 
endorsement "R. E. Scoggin'' and a further endorsement "Ross 
Builders Supply.'' 

How can this be reported to the imperial office if the check is cashed 
rather than deposited in some account ? 

(Document handed to witness.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2131 



Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 21 





Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfuly decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Kobert Scoggin Exhibit No. 24."' Recordak 
copy not reproducible; retained in committee files.) 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Scoggin, I ha^•e here this volume referred to 

-111 

by the chairman called The Klan In Action, and I note that on the 
inside of the back cover appears the words "By Proclamation of The 
Imperial Wizard, Robert M. Shelton,"' and thereunder is a facsimile 
signature of Robert M. Shelton, and underneath that facsimile sig- 
nature the words "Imperial Wizard." 



59-222 O— 67— pt. 



-12 



2132 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Subsequent to that is the "Office of Imperial Wizard, Suite 401 
Alston Bldg., Tuscaloosa, Alabama." 

I note on page 11 the following, under paragraph titled "Service" : 

It is necessary to have some man directly responsible for every person and 
every foot of territoi-y in the Klanton, and their work co-ordinated by a vigorous 
and effective military system. 

"Military Committee" — and then this language : 

This committee is charged with military, or direct line, performance of Klan 
work, and with maintaining communication from staff to individual members. 
It has control of the Military Organization, which is as follows : 

And then follows the "Klaliff," who is constituted as "Colonel," and 
there is a breakdown into major divisions and captain divisions. 
At the bottom of page 11 is this language : 

(Note — It is essential that this organization be perfected and made permanent 
in every Klan. By it every Klansman is actively enlisted in Klan Avork and 
made to realize his personal responsibility for the success of the work and the 
strength of the Order. ) 

My question, Mr. Scoggin, is : What is the function of the military 
and what is meant by this sentence : "This committee is charged with 
military, or direct line, performance of Klan work." 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. That is all. 

The Chairman. The committee will stand in recess until 1 :30. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

(Whereupon, at 12 noon, Thursday, October 28, 1965, the subcom- 
mittee recessed, to reconvene at 1:30 p.m. the same day.) 

AFTERNOON SESSION— THURSDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1965 

(The subcommittee reconvened at 1 'AO p.m., Hon. Edwin E. Willis, 
chairman, presiding.) 

(Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Weltner, 
and Buchanan.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will please come to order. 

Mr. Appell. Will Mr. Scoggin please resume the stand ? 

TESTIMONY OF KOBERT E. SCOGGIN, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 
LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR.— Resumed 

Mr. Chalmers. I would imagine the same oath of this morning 
carries through. 

The Chairman. Yes. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I hand you two checks on the Chester- 
field County Sportsman's Club, one dated June 28, 1965, in the 
amount of $26.40; the other dated May 21, 1965, in the amount of 
$51, both checks payable to R. E. Scoggm. 

I invite your attention to the endorsement on the reverse thereof. 
On the check of May 21, 1965, it shows the second endorsement of 
Mrs. T. D. Sherbert, Welcome Grille; the second by R. E. Scoggin, 
and a second endorsement of the First State Building and Loan 
Association. 

Having examined them, Mr. Scoggin, how can this amount be 
reported to the imperial office, which has the tax liability for income 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2133 

of the Realm of South Carolina, when these are not deposited in any 
account but cashed at the places indicated ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "Eobert Scoggin Exhibits Nos. 25-A and 
25-B,-' respectively. Same exhibits previously marked "Ralph 
Powers Exhibits Nos. 4 and 2," respectively. See pp. 2085 and 2083.) 

Mr. Appell. The committee has examined many checks payable 
to the Alabama Rescue Service, and has established that the Alabama 
Rescue Service has a bank in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, to which checks 
payable to the order of the Alabama Rescue Service are deposited. 

I show you two checks, both payable to the order of the Alabama 
Rescue Service, one dated March 29, 1965, in the amount of $27 ; the 
other dated May 21, 1965, in the amount of $27. 

I ask you to explain to the committee how come the only endorse- 
ment on the March 29th check is R. E. Scoggin, and the check of 
May 21, "ARS, UI^A, By R. E. Scoggin.'' 

(Documents handed to witness.) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. These two checks represent funds which were to go 
to the bank account of The First National Bank in Tuscaloosa, Ala- 
bama, which you, contrary to the rules and regulations of the United 
Klans of America, endorsed and kept for yourself. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibits Nos. 26-A and 26- 
B," respectively. Exhibit 26-A appears on p. 2134. Exliibit 26-B 
previously marked "Ralph Powers Exhibit No. 3." See p. 2084.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that a Klavern in Rock Hill, South Carolina, 
laiown by the name of the R. H. Volunteers of America, is, in fact, a 
KlaA'ern of the United Klans of America, Realm of South Carolina. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I invite your attention to the bottom check drawn 
against the account of the R. H. Volunteers of America, a check dated 
September 26, 1965, paid to the order of the Federal Communica- 
tions Commission, application for licenses, two-way radios, citizens 
band. 

In showing you this check, I ask yoti to what use the United Klans 
of America in South Carolina, uncler your jurisdiction, use citizens 
band radios for the purpose of carrying out intimidations by Klans 
and Klan members. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 27*' appears on 
p. 2135.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr, Scoggin, the Raleigh, North Carolina, News and 
Observer of June 3, 1965, reports that you were arrested on the preced- 
ing Saturday, which would be May 29, for drunken driving and 
charged with disorderly conduct. 

Is that factual? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



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(Document marked "Scoggin Exhibit No. 28" appears on p. 2136.) 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, the committee obtained from the city of 
Spartanburg police department, South Carolina, an Arrest Sheet 
which shows at 12 :30 a.m. on 5-29-65, Scoggin, Robert E., 818 Saxon 
Avenue, South Carolina, white, male, birth date 5-12-22, place born, 
Polk County, North Carolina, age 43, 6 feet, 150 pounds, occupation, 
plumber, employed by — self-employed; was arrested while driving 
under the influence and disorderly conduct. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the Arrest Sheet from which I have just read is factual. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, I invite your attention to a newspaper 
article, a clipping from the Chicago, Illinois, Sun-Times^ referrmg to 
a rally in Hemingway, South Carolina, and the story is dated April 5, 
1965. After reporting on the events of the rally, the storv says, re- 
ferring to the burning of the cross, following the burning of the cross, 
it reads : 

That done, the Klansmen gathered around Seoggiu who deuoimced the mayor 
of Hemingway for opposing the Klan's plans to meet near the town and branded 
President Johnson "a liar" for accusing the hooded men for being disloyal to 
the nation. 

Shelton handed Scoggin the key to a 1965 station wagon bought for him by 
South Carolina Klansmen as "a token of devotion for a great patriot." 

Is the recitation of that story factual, sir ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 29'' and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. The committee made inquiry of the State Highway 
Department with respect to the registration of South Carolina license 
tag F-22409. The supervisor of titles and registration advised the 
committee by letter dated August 30, 1965 : 

According to our registration and title files, this license was issued to a 1965 
Plymouth, serial number P6522{>i432 in the name of Mrs. R. E. Scoggins, 818 
Saxon Avenue, Spartanburg, South Carolina. The vehicle was purchased from 
Myers Motor Company, Camden, South Carolina, on April 2, 1965, and the title 
issued records a lien in favor of Commercial National Bank of Spartanburg, 
Morgan Square, Spartanburg, South Carolina. 

I now hand you a copy of a chattel mortgage, a copy of a certificate 
of title, and an account ledger card of the First Commercial Bank 
which shows that there was placed a lien against this car in the amount 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 28 

[Raleigh, N.C., News & Obserrer, ;]une 3, 1965) 

Klan Cliief Charged 
With Drunken Driving 



^SPARTANBURG (AP)- Rob- 
ert E. (Bob) Scoggin, the grand 
dragon of the South Carolina Ku 
KIux Klan, was arrested Satur- 
rnrVTmrfning on a charge of 



to sit down three or four times. 
Police finally sat Scoggin down, 
Henderson reported. 

The klan leader was quoted by 

police as asking thcni to give 

him a break because he had 

ibccn busy with the Wallace 



TnTTfning on 
drunken driving and disorderly 
conduct. 
A newspaperman came across I (Gov. George of Alabama) for 



the warrant at Spartanburg City 
Hall Wednesday. 

The 43-year-old Klan leader 
had asked for a jury trial on 
the charges and is free on $125 
bond. Scoggin is represented by 
Atty. C. Kcnnon Robertson. 



president campaign. Henderson 
said Scoggin was cursing in the 
booking room and had a moder- 
ate odor of alcohol on his 
breath. 

Warrants have been prepared 
in the case but had not been 



No dale has been set for a signed by police Wednesday af- 
trial. City Recorder's Court ternoon. 
Clerk A. H. Bates said Wednes- 
day. 

S^cqggin's occupation was list- 
ecV o'ii city police records as 
self - employed plumber. The 
KKK leader and organizer was 
booked at city jail at 12:40 a.m. 
Satvirday. 

Scoggin, asked for comment 
by a newsman, said: "The only 
thing that I can say is that the 
charges are not true. . . that's 
all I can say about it." 

City policeman James Hender- 
son said he stopped a 19G5 Ply- 
mouth station wagon driven by 
Scoggin after observing the auto 
run through a traffic light at 
the intersection of W. Main and 
Magnolia Streets in the central 
bu.siness district. 

Henderson said he was driv- 
ing a police car behind 
Scoggin's vehicle and halted the 
station wagon at the St. Johnj 
Street intersection with Mainj 
Street. i 

Henderson said the disorderly] 
conduct charge was added afteri 
Scoggin became unruly in the', 
city hall booking room. The po-, 
liceman said Scoggin was told; 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2137 

of $2,705.40, and at the time the committee subpenaed these records, 
only three payments had been made, for the months of June, Jnly, 
and Auf^ust. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to afhrm or deny the fact, that 
this is the same vehicle which, according to the newspaper clipping, 
the Klan gave to you because you were such a patriot. 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked ''Robert Scoggin Exhibits Nos. 30-A through 
30-D," respectively. Exhibits 30-A and B follow; 30-C and D re- 
tained in committee file.) 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 30-A 




SOUTH CAROLINA 
STATE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT 

MOTOR VEHICLE DIVISION 

DRAWER 1498 

COLUMBIA. S. C. 29202 



Au^at 50, 1965 



Mr. Donald T. Appell, Chief Investigator 

Congress of the Iftiited States 

House of Representatives 

Coasnittee on Un-Amerioan Activities 

Washington, D. C. 

Dear Mr, Appell t 

We refer to your letter of August 20, 1965» requesting 
registration information on South Carolina license P-22409» 

According to oxir registration and title files, this 
license was issued to a I965 Plymouth, serial number P652204452 
in the name of Mrs. R. E. Scoggins, 818 Saxon Avenue, Spartanburg, 
South Carolina. The vehicle was purchased from Ityeva Motor Company, 
Camden, South Carolina, on April 2, 1965» and the title issued records 
a lien in favor of Commercial National Bank of Spartanburg, Morgan 
Square, Spartanburg, South Carolina. 

Very truly yours, 

les, Jr., Director 
icle Division 




irris. Supervisor 
Titles and Registration 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 30-B 



STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 

COUNTY OF 



CHATTEL MORTGAGE 



1 . Whereas- 



Mrs. Robert E. Scoggin 



hereinafter called tbe Mortgagor. 



is indebted to Qhc T'lTSi CommCTCtal National jBanh OJ South Carolina, hereinafter calUd the Mortgagee, in the •urn of 

Two-Thonsanrl S even Hundred Five and 40/lQQ Dollars (S 2,705.4XL 



payablc in monthly installments, with interest after maturity, as evidenced by the promissory note of the Mortgagor below of even date herewith. 
which note is a negotiable instrument: 

Now, t hereto r«. in ord^r to secure th« payment of tald note snd compliance by the Mortfagor with all asreem^nU and provieiona thereof, the Mortffacor 
hereby barftains. »ti\» and transfers unto the Morlgasee the following described personal properly together with the e<juipnnent of every kind and nature wbicb 
la attached or may hercufler become attached to the aaid pioperty during the life of this mortgage, whether by way of repaira or otherwiae, all hereinafter aom»- 
times referred to as "properly", to-wit: 



QUANTITY 


NEW OR USED 


MODEL 


DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY 


MOTOR AND SERIAL NUMBERS 


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To have and to hold the said property unto the Mortgagee, lis successors and aaalGrns forever. Provided, neverthelesa. and It is the condition of thla mortv*s*> 
tbat If the Mortgagor shall well and truly pay the amounts owing hereunder, in accordance with aaid note and thia mortgage, and shall promptly diacharge tba 
•tlpulationa and agreements contained herein, time being of the essence hereof, then thla mortgage shall t>e void, otherwise to remain In full force and effect. 

2. The Mortgagor hereby warrants that there is no prior mortRsge or lien on the above described property, and that the same Is free from any encambrane* 
whalAoever, except as herein set forth, and that be is the true and lawful owner of the said property, and has full right to sell, transfer and encumber tbe aama. 

3. The Mortgagor agrees that he will keep the property in good condition and repair at bis own expenee. that he will not part with the poa«easlon thereof, that 
he will not sell, rent or hire out the property or remove any equipment therefrom without the written consent of the Mortgaite*. that he will produce and 
exhibit the property to the Mortgagee upon request, and that he will not use or pemlt the property to be used In violation of any law with rv^pect to Intoxi- 
cating liquors, narcotics or other articles or otherwise use the property lllesally or improperly, that the property will not be attached to tbe ffrouDd, aor 
building or other obstacle and shall at all times be and remain personalty. 

4. The Mortgagor agrees to pay all taxes and all assessments of any kind whatsoever on the property, and to keep the same lnBDre<! against Arc and tbefl 
for not less than the amount of tbe unpaid balance due on said note, also to carry comprehensive insurance Including collision hazard Insurance, satisfactory to 
the Mortgagee, and to keep the property so insured during the life of the mortgaRe, the policies of Insurance to contain a claus? that in the event of loss, pay* 
ments shall be maHe to the Mortgagee as its interest may appear. Upon the failure of the Mortgagor in any of these respects, the Mortgagee may at Its option, 
either declare this mortgage in default and the outstanding balance due and payable, or may pay said taxes, or bo insure, and the costs thereof shall become a 
part of the debt secured by this mortgage. The proceeds of any insurance, whether paid by reason of loss, injury, return premium or otherwise, shall be applied 
toward the repair or replacement of the property or payment of tbe obligation secured by this mortgage, at the option of the Mortgagee. 

5 The Mortgagor further agrees that if default be made In the payment of aaid note, or any Installment of principal or Interest thereon, or of any renewal 
thereof, or if the Mortgagor olhwrwise fails to comply with any provision or agreement hereof, at the time and in the manner herein specified, or if the property 
be seiied upon mesne or final process issued against the Mortgagor or the property, or if the Mortgagee deems it necessary for his more perfect and eompleta 
security at any time, then the Mortgagee is hereby authoriied and empowered to enter any premises of the Mortgagor, or other place where the property may 
be. and lake possession of the same, without notice or demand, which ere hereby expressly waived {however, notice and demand may be given and made by 
mailing the same to the Mortgagor at his address herein), and with or without legal process Such repossession shall not affect Mortgagee's rights, hereby con- 
firmed, to retain all payments made prior or subsequent thereto by the Mortgagor hereunder. The Mortgagee may sell said property and all equity of redemp- 
tion of the Mortgagor therein, at public or private sale, with or without advertisement thereof, and with or without notice to the Mortgagor, adver'.isement 
thereof end noiice of the time, place and manner of said sale being hereby expressly waived by the Mortgagor (however, if such notice be given, notice by mail 
to the Mortgagor's address herein shall be sufficient), and also with or without having such property at the place of sale; and such Bale may be made upon such 
terms and in such manner as the Mortgagee may determine; and the Mortgagee tray bid the property in at any sale thereof. 

6. From the proceeds of any such sale, the Mortgagee shall deduct all expenses of retaking, repairing and selUnff such property, fnclndlnff reasonable attor- 
ney's fees, and apply the balance to the amount due by the Mortgagor hereunder, paying over to the Mortgagor any surplus. If any there be; in case of ■ 
deficiency, the Mortpragor agrees to pay the same with inlei-est. The Mortgngee may take possession of any other property In said vehicle ot the time it is r^ 
possessed and hold the same for the Mortgagor, without responsibility or liability on the part of the Mortgagee. If the Mortgagor shall fail to take possession 
of such other property within 30 days. Mortgagee may sell the same at public or private sale as provl.Ied above and shall apply the net proceeds of such ^alt 
to the balance due on tho indebtedness hereunder. 

7. This mortgage and said note contain the entire agreement between the parties thereto, and no waiver, ehange or addition thereto shall b* valM unless tlia 
same be endorsed hereon end signed by the Mortgagee Should the Mnrfcngee accept any Installmcnto or part payment after the full amount may have become 
Immediately due and payable, or otherwise errant indulgence to the Mortgagor, this shall not affect the Mortgagor's obligations or the Mortgagee's rights with 
respect to any subsequent payment or default. The Mortgagee shall have the right to enforce one or more remedies hereunder successively or concurrently. No 
transfer, renewal, extension or asslgrnment of this mortgage and/or negotiation of said note shall release the Mortgagor from his obligation hereunder: assign** 
shall be entitled to all the rights of Mortgagee The Mortgagor shall notify the Mortgagee of any change In the Mortgagor's address shown below. All agreements 
and provisions hereof shall respectively bind and inore to tbe benefit of tbe respective heirs, executors, udmlnistrators. successors and assigns of both the Mort- 
cagor and the Mortgagee. 



IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Mortgagor has hereunto set bis band and affixed 
19 &5 

WITNESS 




day of Apri 3 



9^C4>^q^ 




Spailanburg 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2139 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Scoggin, do you receive 100 percent disability 
compensation from the Veterans' Administration ? 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, an inquiry by the committee into the 
compensation received by Mr. Scoggin contains a report of the di- 
rector of Compensation, Pension and Education Ser\'ice : 

Mr. Scoggin had active service from August 29, 1942 to October 17, 1945 dur- 
ing which he incurred injury to his back and sacroiliac joint. A 10% disability 
evaluation was initial]}- established from June 15, 1949. This was temporarily 
increased to 1007o from June 12, 1951 because of his hospitalization from May 
22, 1951 for generalized rheumatoid arthritis involving the spine. He was re- 
leased from the hospital on March 28, 1952 at which time his disability was 
rated as 1009r under the 1945 Schedule for Rating Disabilities. 

Re-examination on April 7, 1954 resulted in reduction of schedular evaluatioji 
to 60% from that date. The total disability rating of 100% was continued, how- 
ever, based on individual unempioyability. Since then, his case has been re- 
viewed at regular intervals, but no rating change was indicated by the medical 
or employment information reported. 

The variations in monthly rates after June 30, 1952 are attributable to in- 
creases based on legislation and to changes in the number of dependents. 

Mr. Scoggin, I will hand you a document — after I read it into the rec- 
ord—which has the return address of 818 Saxon Avenue, Spartanburg, 
South Carolina, January 23, 1961, to Adjudication Officer, VA Re- 
gional Office, 1801 Assembly Street, Columbia, South Carolina: 

Dear Sir : 

I have recently heard of benefits of PL 86-663 of the 86th Congress. I am 
requesting that my claim for disability compensation be considered for benefits 
under that law. My service-connected disability is a shrapnel injury of my 
spine which has resulted in arthritis of my spine, neck, hips and legs, and has 
progressed to where I cannot bend my neck or spine and I am unable to walk 
without the use of canes. 

I feel that perhaps I might be entitled to benefits under this law. 
Very truly yours, 

/s/ Robert E. Scoggin 
Robert E. Scoggix. 
C4131359 

1 hand you this document and put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that this is a copy of a document which you sent 
to the Veterans' Administration. 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibits Nos. ol-A and 
31-B," respe<^tively. See pp. 2141, 2142.) 

Mr. Appell. Was this a true or a false statement to the Veterans' 
Administration ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. In our inquiiy to the city of Spartanburg, we inquired 
as to whether or not at the time of your arrest you were requiring the 
use of canes, and we were advised by W. T. Ivey, director of law 
enforcement : 

Our investigation shows that no one in this department knows of Mr. Scoggins 
ever using a cane, and when arrested on the night of the 29th no canes were 
being used. 

Have you ever used canes as you advised the Veterans' Adminis- 
tration? 



2140 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 32." See p. 2143. 
Exhibits 31-A and B and 32 follow:) 



Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 31 -A 



J'JL ^ 1965 

C-A 131 359 
SCOGGIN, Robert E, 



STATEMENT RELATING TO CGHPENSATION AUTHORIZED 



Mr. Scoggin had active service from August 29, 1942 to October 17, 1945 
during which he Incurred injury to his back and sacroiliac Joint. A 
10% disability evaluation was initially established from June 15, 1949. 
This was temporarily Increased to 1001 from June 12, 1951 because of 
his hospitalization from May 22, 1951 for generalized rheumatoid arth- 
ritis Involving the spine. He was released from the hospital on March 28, 
1952 at which time his disability was rated as 100% under the 1945 Sche- 
dule for iUting Disabilities. 

Re-examination on April 7, 1954 resulted in reduction of schedular 
evaluation to 60% from that date. The total disability rating of 
100% was continued, however, based on individual unemploy ability. 
Since then, his case has been reviewed at regular intervals, but no 
rating change was indicated by the medical or employment information 
reported. 

The variations in monthly rates after June 30, 1952 are attributable to 
increases based on legislation and to changes in the number of dependents. 




Compensation, Pension and Bducatien Service 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 
Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 31 -A — Continued 



ST/ITQCSNT OF COMPENSATION PAYMENTS 
For the Period 12/1A9 to 6/30/65 
MADS IN 'SSE CASE OF 

SOOGGIN, Robert £. 

c 4 131 359 



PERIOD COVERED 



12/ IA9 to 

6/12/51 to 

7/ 1/52 to 

10/ l/^k to 

10/ 1/57 to 

8/ 1/60 to 

8/10/60 to 

2/ 6/62 to 

10/ 1/62 to 

10/31/62 to 

8/26/63 to 

12/ 1/63 to 

2/ 9/6i^ to 

3/2i*/65 to 



6/11/51 
6/30/52 
9/30/5^ 
9/30/57 
7/31/60 
8/ 9/60 
2/ 5/62 
9/30/62 

10/30/62 
8/25/63 

11/30/63 
2/ 8/6Jf 
3/23/65 
6/30/65 



RATE 

$ 15.00 
206.00 
228.50 
237.00 
287.00 
323.00 
335.00 
323.00 
1*23.00 
3W.OO 
360.00 
3W.OO 
336.00 
32i«-.00 



Total 



2141 



JUL <i t965 



AMOUNT 

$ 275.50 

2,602.47 

6,169.50 

8,532.00 

9,758.00 

96.90 

5,985.33 

2,530.17 

it23.00 

3,1*22.00 

I,l40.00 

788.80 

l4.,536.00 

1,0^*7.60 



307.27 



I hereby certify that the above statement is a true, correct axid con?)lete 
record of payments made on account of coiqpensatlon for the period from 
December 1, 19^*9 to June 30, 1965 as shown by the records of the Veterans 
Adjnlnlst ration . 




H. F. STEWART 
Asslstemt Controller for Finance, DVB 



In addition, payments of education subsistence allowance for Training 
at Fairforest Public Schools, Fairforest, South Carolina, under pro- 
visions of Public Law 3^*6, as amended, were made for the period from 
Novenfcer 7, I950 to May 31, 1951 at the rate of $120.00 per month. 
^Qxese payments totaled $8l6.00. 



2142 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 31-B 

818 Saxon Ave, 
Spartanburg, S. C. 
January 23, I96I 



Adjudication Olficer (21) 
VA Regional Office 
1801 Assembly Street 
Columbia, S. C, 

Dear Sir: 

I have recently heard of benefits of PL 86-663 of the 86th Congress. I am 
requesting that it^y claim for disability compensation be considered for benefits 
under that law. Viy service-connected disability is a shrapnel injury of my 
spine which has resulted in arthritis of my spine, neck, hips and legs, and has 
progressed to where I cannot bend my neck or spine and I am vinable to vaiJc 
without the use of canes. 



I feel that perhaps I might be entitled to benefits under this law. 

Very truly yours. 



I 




^^^^^-m^ 



c.iri3i 359 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2143 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 32 




fflttg of Spartanburg 



POLICE DEPARTMENT July 15, 1965 



Mr. Donald T. Appcll 
House of Representatives 
Congress of the United States 
Washington, D. C. 

Re: Robert E. Scoggins 

Dear Mr. Appell: 

This subjeci^as arrested by Officer 0. E. Kennedy on 
May 29, 1965, at 12:40 a. m. and charged with driving under 
the influence and disorderly conduct. Mr. Scoggins has 
requested a jury trial and has not been tried at this date. 

Our investigation shows that no one in this department 
knows of Mr. Scoggins ever using a cane, and when arrested 
on the night of the 29th no canes were being used. 

When the disposition is made of this case, we will 
advise you. 

If this department can be of any service to yovu' 
committee, please do not hesitate to call on us. 

Yovirs trxily. 




Director of Law Enforcement 
WTl/mf 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, as the report I read indicated, Mr. 
Scoggin's 100 percent disability is based upon his nnemployability. 
Because of that, Mr. Scoggin, and veterans like him, are required to 
file annually a statement of earnings. 

Mr. Scoggin, I intend to show to you, after I read it into the record, 
an employment questionnaire of the Veterans' Administration which, 
according to tlie form, was mailed to tliem on April 4, 1902. It sets 
forth— signed, R. E. Scoggin— self-employment during past 12 months 
as follows : 



2144 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

"Filling out Income tax form, $70 ; Purchased & resold Junk Brass, 
$41 ; Kepaired Fishing Reels and Rods, $57." 

Was that a truthful statement, Mr. Scoggin? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 33'- appears on 
p. 2145.) 

Mr. Appell. This next form, Mr. Scoggin, which covers the pre- 
ceding year 

The CiLviRMAx. Preceding or succeeding ? 

Mr. Appell. Preceding. 

It is dated April 3, 1963, signed R. E. Scoggin. It reads : 

"Self-employment during past 12 months : Purchased & resold Sec- 
ondhand Plumbing Fixturs [sic] $231.00; Bought & Sold Shrubry 
[sic] $83.00"; total compensation, $314. 

I would like to ask you, Mr. Scoggin, after advising you that we have 
made an analysis of a personal bank account of yours at The South 
Carolina National Bank, Spartanburg, South Carolina, that you de- 
posited into that account from all sources during the year 1962, the 
period that this last report covers, you deposited into that account 
from all sources $11,612.35. 

Mr. Weltxer. For what period of time ? 

Mr. Appell. For the calendar year 1962. 

Mr. Scoggin, did you advise the Veterans' Administration truth- 
fully when you told them that your income from self-employment 
during the previous year was only $314 ? 

Mr. ScoGGix. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 34'- appears on 
p. 2146.) 

Mr. Appell. On December 22, 1964, you supplied an additional form 
which is signed Robert E. Scoggin. It lists : "Self-employment dur- 
ing past 12 months : I bought and Sold Some used plumbing," total 
earnnigs $264. "I have made and Sold Some hand tied fishing Bugs," 
total earnings $103. "I made pot holders and whatnots," total earn- 
ings $134. "Misc. $73.-' Total earnings for the previous year, of 
1964, $574. 

(Document marked "Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 35" appears on 
p. 2147.) 

Mr. Appell. For the year 1964, Mr. Scoggin, there appears to have 
gone through tliree bank accounts which the committee located in your 
name, one at the First Commercial Bank of Soutli Carolina, Spartan- 
burg, South Cai'olina, the sum of $4,440; into the Spartanburg Bank 
and Trust Company, $11,250 — and by that time you had canceled your 
account at The South Carolina Naticmal Bank. But on those two 
banks, you ran through that account as credit to (hat account 
$15,690.50. 

Did you give an honest report to the Veterans' Administration when 
you reported that your self-employment income during the previous 
months was $574? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer th^t question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2145 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 33 



Fonn kpproted 

Bu<!{#t Rureno No- 76-R3SI.1 



VETERANS ADMINISTRATION 

EMPLOYMENT QUESTIONNAIRE 



DATt MAIIEO 



April li, 1962 



NAMf AND ADDRESS OF VETERAN 



r 

Mr. Robert E. Scoggin 
~8l8 "^axon Avenue 
Spartanburg, S. G. 



3. CLAIM NO. 

,- 1, 131 359 



NOTE - Return cnmpleted fornf to Veterans 
Administration Office shown below. 



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4. ADDRESS OF VETERANS ADMr NISTRAT ION OFriCC 



V.A. r'C;:'::"jLGrFiCE 
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CdlUillbid, o. C. 



TTie infonnation called forbelow is essential todetermine your entitlement to continued payment of compensation 
at the present rate of 1005t. All questions must be answered fully, clearly and accurately. Your failure to 
furnish the desired information will result in the reduction of your award. 



5. SIGNATURE OF ADJUDICATION OFFICER .1 



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6. WERE YOU EMPLOYED BY OTHEftS AT ANY TIME DURING TME PAST 12 MONTMST 
I I YES S NO (It "r/»," fill in Ittmt lA fo 7C. Inclumlrt) 



EMPLOYMENT BY OTHERS DURING PAST 12 MONTHS 



7A. NAME AND ADDRESS OF EMPLOYER 



7B. DATES OF EMPLOYMENT 



7C. RATE OF WAGES OR 
SALARY RECEIVED 



8. WERE YOU SELF. EMPLOYED DURING PAST 12 MONTHSr 

[iO^yiS 1 I NO (1/ "Yea." fill in ittma 9A to 9C . incluaivr) 



SELF-EMPLOYMENT DURING PAST 12 MONTHS 



9A. KIND OF WORK 



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9B. MONTHS WORKED 



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I HEREPY CERTIFY that the- entriev moHe herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief 







II. SIGNATURE OF VETERAN 




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12. ADDRESS (It diffefent than i em i) 



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PENALTY - Tfie !■• providva for forfeiture of r l(hl^ olalldi and benefits of m person who a«»hei anjr ■ 

fal le. Upon convict Ion thereof auch peraori— fa aubject tn a fine of not more than fl,000 or imprl 



icfn ef^r material fact lino«in| jt to be 
"(iK '^^ '^*'* "^'^ than 1 year, or both. 



V A FOFM 
JUL ' 



^3 8-4140 



VA DC 26 7016 



2146 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IX THE U.S. 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 34 



Porm approved 

Budget ParcAD No. 7R-P3&1.2 



VETERANS ADMINISTRATION 

EMPLOYMENT QUESTIONNAIRE 



I. DATE MAfLEO 



April 3, 1963 



2, NAME AND ADDRESS OF VETERAN 



3. CLAfM NO. 



U 131 359 



NOTE • Return completed form to Veterans 
Admin istrat ion Office s/iown below. 



r 

^°— Mr. Robert E. Scoggin 
818 Saxon Avenue 
Spartanburg, S» C»< 

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4. ADDRESS OF VETERANS AOMIN t STRATI ON OFFICE 



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This information is needed to determine your entitlement to compensntion on the basis of unemploynbi lity. All 
questions should be answered fully and accurately. Please return the form promptly to insure that all evidence 
-s available when your claim is considered. 



SIGNATURE OF ADJUDICATION OFFICER 



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6. WERE YOU EMPLOYED BY OTHERS AT ANY TIME OURtNG THE PAST 12 MONTHS? 
I I YES l^tj-fib (II "r««." till In lltmt 7A to 7C. inc/u.iv.J 



EMPLOYMENT BY OTHERS DURING PAST 12 MONTHS 



7A. NAME AND ADDRESS OF EMPLOYER 



7B. DATES OF EMPLOYMENT 



7C. RATE OF WAGES OR 
SALARY RECEIVED 



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B. WERE YOU SELF. EMPLOYED DURING PAST 12 MONTHS? 

I I YES I I NO (II "I"..," nil In i>e«. M >. 9C. Inclutlre) 



SELF-EMPLOYMENT DURING PAST 12 MONTHS 



9A. KIND OF WORK 



9B. MONTHS WORKED 



9C. TOTAL EARNINGS 



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II. SIGNATURE OF VETERAN 




12. ADDRESS (tf ditl^rttt thmt tt»m 7) 



PEKALTY--The !■■ provide* icvcre pvnaltleB vl^^h Mncluda fin* or lapr I lonBent , or both, lor t h« willful •u'balttlon of mnj itatf 
nent or evld«nc« of ■ •■t«rl«l fact, kno«ln| It to b* foil*, or for tha fraudulant accaplanc* of any payai«rtl to vhlch 
you ar* nol entitled. 



V A FORM 
FEB 1M2 



21-4140 



EXISTING STOCKS OF VA FORM 9.4140. 
JUL l>:3. (ILL BE USED. 



VA 362207 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2147 

Robert Scoggin Exhibit No. 35 ~ 



Pbim approved 

Budget Boreaa No. 7«-Ra61.Z 



VETERANS ADMINISTRATION 

EMPLOYMENT QUESTIONNAIRE 



t. DATE MAILED 

Dec. 22, 1961i 



2. NAME AND ADDRESS OF VETERAN 



3. CLAIM NO. 

c. h 131 359 



NOTE - Return completed form to Veterans 
Administration Office shown below. 



r 

^j_ Mr. Robert E. Scoggin 
8l8 Saxon Avenue 
Spartanburg, 5. C, 



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V V !■ f.OHM OFFICE 
i;,jl /-..einbly Street 
Coiuii'ibia, S. C. 



This information is neeHed to determine your entitlement to compensation on the basis of unemploynbi lity. All 
nuestions should be answered fully and accurately. Please return the form promptly to insure that all evidence 



s available when your claim is considered. 



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5. SIGNATURE OF ADJUDICATION OFFICER 



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6. WERE YOO EMPLOYED BY OTHERS AT ANY TIME DURING THE PAST 12 MONTHS* 
Lj YES Vam (II "r..." Illl in lt»a TA to rc. titelutlrt) 



EHPLOYHEHT BY OTHERS DURING PAST 12 MONTHS 



7A. NAME AND ADDRESS OF EMPLOYER 



7B. DATES OF EMPLOYMENT 



7C. RATE OF WAGES OR 
SALARY RECEIVED 



e. WERE YOU SELF. EMPLOYED DURING PAST 12 MONTHST 

I I YES I I NO (If •' Ytm," lilt In Ifmt 9A to »C. Inclu.lr.) 



SELF-EMPLOYMENT DURING PAST 12 MONTHS 



9A. KIND OF WORK 



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9B. MONTHS WRKEO 



9C. TOTAL EARNINGS 




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12. ADDRESS {It tHHmrttt than J(*a 2. 



PENALTY •' The !•« providea severe peneltle* vhlc 
nent or evidence of ■ ■•tcrlal fact, k 
you Bre not entitled. 



ne or Inpr Iconaent t or both, for the vlllful eubBlciton of any atate- 
D be falae, or for the fraudulent acceptance of any pajaent to which 



V A FORM 0| A\At\ EXISTING STOCKS OF VA FORM 6.4)40. 

FEB 1 962 A|-*H^U JUt 1953, WILL BE USED. 



59-222 O— 67— pt. 2- 



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2148 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I do not have the employment question- 
naire covering the year 1963, but I wisli the record to show that an 
examination of the account at the Spartanburg Bank and Trust Com- 
pany in Spartanburg and The South Carolina National Bank of 
Spartanburg, South Carolina, had deposited to those accounts during 
the year $12,290.50. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Appell, during the course of the investigation, 
has any inquiry been made as to the nature of the deposits in the bank 
accounts of this witness and the nature of the withdrawals ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir; but not an itemized examination of each 
item deposited or each item withdrawn therefrom. The analysis 
of total income to the account is based upon the ledger cards of the 
accounts, copies of which we have. 

Mr. Weltner. What is the nature of the items deposited to the 
accounts ? 

Mr. Appell. Some of the items deposited to the account ai*e his 
monthly compensation from the Veterans' Administration. Addi- 
tional items are income from his electrical and plumbing contracting 
business. Other checks which are shown payable to him as Grand 
Dragon of the realm have gone into these accounts in addition to 
the ones we have dealt with that were cashed at outside places. 

This is the general analysis of the accounts. They include basically 
those three items. 

Mr. Weltner. For instance, in the year 1964, the sum of $15,690, 
that consisted of compensation from the United States Government, 
receipts from the plumbing business that he operated 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. — and checks drawn to him as Grand Dragon of the 
Realm of South Carolina? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. And in addition thereto, there is some income 
into these accounts in the form of loans which he has made in con- 
nection with his plumbing and electrical contracting business. 

(At this point Mr. Ashbrook entered the hearing room.) 

Mr. Weltner. As to the checks drawn on those accounts, did you 
make an inquiry into the nature of those items ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Were any of those checks drawn upon the accounts 
drawn for purposes of the Klan organization Miiich he heads in South 
Carolina ? 

Mr. Appell. We were unable to find any. 

Mr. Weltner. What was the nature of the items tliat were drawn 
against those accounts ? 

Mr. Appell. Payments to an employee, payments for uniform rental, 
payments of liousehold expenses, payments or repayments on loans and 
notes, and general household expenses. 

Mr. Weltner. Do I understand correctly that the document filed 
with the Veterans' Administration shows four items which total $574 
as total earnings during the year 1964, and your analysis of two bank 
accounts in the city of Spartanburg, South Carolina, sliows deposits 
over that same period of $15,690 ? 

Mr. Appell. Yes, sir. The total is $574, and the total deposits to 
that account is $15,690.50. That is to two accounts. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2149 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you. 

Mr. ArpELL. Mr. Scoggin, the Veterans' Administration has reported 
to the committee that from December 1, 1949, through June 30, 1965, 
you have received $47,307.27 as compensation for disability. 

I ask you again, in the light of this income that you have received, 
whether or not the support for this income in the documents that I 
have read to 3 ou was fraudulently filed ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairaian, may I interpose an objection to the 
last question propounded to the witness ? 

The Chairman. I missed the last question. Read the question. 

(The record was read by the reporter.) 

The Chairman. I prefer for you not to object because that is not in 
the role of counsel. 

Mr. Chalmers. All right, sir. 

The Chairman. I suggest you change the form of the question. 

Mr. Appell. I will strike the question. 

First, I shall ask you whether or not it is a fact that I have recited 
to you that you did, during the year 1962, deposit to The South 
Carolina National Bank of Spartanburg, South Carolina, total de- 
posits of $11,612.35? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I ask you if it is factual that you deposited to the 
Spartanburg Bank and Trust Company, Spartanburg, South Caro- 
lina, in the year 1963, $4,033.50, and to The South Carolina National 
Bank of Spartanburg, South Carolina, $8,257, for a total deposit to 
those two accounts in the year 1963 of $12,290.50, 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I ask you if it is factual that during the year 1964 you 
deposited to the First Commercial National Bank of South Carolina, 
Spartanburg, South Carolina, $4,440, and to the Spartanburg Bank 
and Trust Company, Spartanburg, South Carolina, $11,250, for a total 
deposit during the year 1964 of $15,690.50 ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Now, I shall ask you whether or not the application 
questionnaires which you filed annually with the Veterans' Adminis- 
tration truly reflected the employment income as set forth in those 
forms ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I have no further questions. 

The Chairman. Wait a moment. 

Wliat was the question you asked about his total receipts from the 
Veterans' Administration ? I wish you would ask that direct question 
and ask him if that is factual. 

Mr. Appell. I will ask you if it is factual that between December 
1949 and June 30, 1965, you received as compensation from the Vet- 
erans' Administration $47,307.27 ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2150 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Senner. Mr. Chairman 



The Chairman. Mr. Senner? 

Mr. Senner. Would Mr. Appell put into the record what the 
monthly compensations were that were received by the witness? 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, for the period 12-1-49 to 6-11-51, the 
rate was $15 per month. 

6-12-51 to 6-30-52, $206 a month. 

7-1-52 to 9-30-54 $228.50 a month. 

10-1-54 to 9-30-57, $237 a month. 

10-1-57 to 7-31-60, $287. 

8-1-60 to 8-9-60, $323. 

8-10-60 to 2-5-62, $335. 

2-6-62 to 9-30-62, $323. 

10-1-62 to 10-30-62, $423. 

10-31-62 to 8-25-63, $348. 

8-26-63 to 11-30-63, $360. 

12-1-63 to 2-8-64, $348. 

2-9-64 to 3-23-65, $336. 

3_2^65 to 6-30-65, $324. 

Mr. Senner. Mr. Chairman, could Mr. Appell also put into the 
record what the VA limitation of income is before he would be de- 
nied benefits from the Veterans' Administration ? 

Mr. Appell. I do not have that figure, sir. It is based on unem- 
ployability. 

Mr. Senner. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask a question or two, 
if I may, of the witness. 

Mr. Scoggin, on your Veterans' Administration employment ques- 
tionnaire, the date it was mailed being April 4, 1962, Budget Bureau 
No. 76-K351.1, this form being approved, you stated for that period, 
for the past 12 months, that you were not employed. Is that a true 
statement ? 

Mr. Scoggin. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Senner. On your form that you filled out April 3, 1963, Claim 
No. C-4131359, the same approved form by the Budget Bureau, again 
in response "Were you employed by others at any time during the past 
12 months ?" you responded, "No." 

Were you, in fact, employed by others during that period of time ? 

Mr. ScoGGiNs. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Senner. Would the same hold true for the year 1964, for which 
you filled out the same form with the same claim number, in which 
you responded that you were not employed by others ? 

Mr. ScoGGiNS. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Senner. I direct your attention to the bottom portion of that 
form, and I will hand you one. It reads : 

I hereby certify that the entries made herein are true and correct to the best 
of my knowledge and belief. 

It is signed by you : 

April 6, 1963, R. E. Scoggin. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2151 

On each one of these forms it has the penalty : 

The law provides severe penalties which include fine or imprisonment, or 
both, for the willful submission of any statement or evidence of material fact, 
knowing it to be false, or for the fraudulent acceptance of any payment to which 
you are not entitled. 

Did you read that paragraph ? 

Mr. ScoGGiN. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, I have no questions, but I have this 
comment that I would like to offer at this point. 

I have been concerned to be sure that this committee is on sound 
ground so far as directing witnesses to respond to subpena, as far 
as this witness is concerned and previous witnesses who may appear 
here. 

I simply wanted the record to show that I, for one, am cognizant 
of the case of McPhaul versus United States. That is a Supreme 
Court decision for ih^ October Term of 1960, reported in 364 U.S. 372. 

It appears to me that this is a case that is quite pertinent to this 
inquiry. The question came up on the refusal of a witness to respond 
to the subpena issued by this committee. The witness was served 
in a representative capacity as executive secretary of a group called 
the Civil Eights Congress. He was directed to produce all records, 
correspondence, and memoranda pertaining to the organization of, 
the affiliation with other organizations, and all moneys received or 
expended by the Civil Rights Congress. 

He refused to do so, claiming, among other grounds, that to do so 
would violate the fifth amendment in that it would require him to in- 
criminate himself. The Court dealt with all of the several objections 
of the petitioner, and on page 7 of the opinion I find this language: 

The Fifth Amendment did not excuse petitioner from producing the records 
of the Civil Rights Congress, for it is well settled that "[b]ooks and records kept 
'in a representative rather than in a personal capacity cannot be the subject of 
the personal privilege against self-incrimination, even though production of the 
papers might tend to incriminate [their keeper] personally.' * * *." 

Citing in support thereof three other Supreme Court decisions. 

So it appears to me that this decision in the McPhaul case is directly 
applicable here. It deals with the same committee, the same subpena 
process, and the same claim of immunity. 

Further, I will suggest that, when the time is appropriate, Mr. 
Chairman, either in executive session or when the chairman so directs, 
it would be in order to entertain a motion that the transcripts of these 
proceedings be promptly forwarded to the appropriate offices of the 
executive branch of the Government of the United States for such 
action as might be indicated by the content of those transcripts. 

The Chairman. That certainly will be considered in due time and 
[ appreciate your statement w^ith reference to the Supreme Court case 
referred to. 

Let me say this: Tlie Chair permitted the entry into evidence infor- 
mation on the dealings of this witness with the Veterans' Administra- 
tion, not because of its pertinency in and of itself, but that evidence is 
completely appropriate to this inquiry, and pertinent and relevant, be- 



2152 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

cause, as I announced in my opening statement, certainly we, and, in 
turn, the Congress, are interested in developing the type of people 
in positions of trust and leadership in the various Klan groups. 

It is further perfectly competent to hear evidence about the gen- 
eral income and outgo of the sources of revenue of those people and 
then, too, in the shape of cross-examination, it is always competent to 
test the credibility of witnesses. 

Mr. Appell. I have no further questions. 

The Chairman. Are there any further questions ? 

Mr. Scoggin, you are dismissed for today, but you are continued 
under subpena until January 1st of next year.^ 

The committee will stand in recess for 5 minutes. 

( Wliereupon at 2 :30 p.m. a brief recess was taken. Subcommittee 
members present at time of recess : Representatives Willis, Weltner, 
Ashbrook, and Buchanan.) 

(The subcommittee reconvened at 2:40 p.m., with the following 
subcommittee members present : Representatives Willis, Ashbrook, and 
Buchanan.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will come to order. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner entered the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. The Chair states that Mr. Philip Manuel will con- 
duct the examination for the balance of the afternoon. 

Call your next witness, Mr. Manuel. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff would like to call as the next 
witness Mr. Calvin Craig. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth — your right hand. 

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Craig. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

TESTIMONY OF CALVIN FEED CRAIG, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, will you please state your full name for 
the record, sir? 

Mr. Craig. Calvin F. Craig. 

Mr. Manuel. When and where were you born, Mr. Craig ? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 
of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you were born on May 5, 1928, in Clayton County, 
Georgia. 



iMr. Scoggin was not recalled, and on Nov. 29, 1965, was discharged from further 
appearance under his subpena. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2153 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please give the committee a resume of 
your educational background? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you attended high school in Clayton County, 
Georgia, but did not graduate. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point, I would like to state 
for the record that the committee investigation has determined that 
Mr. Craig is the Grand Dragon of the State of Georgia for the United 
Klans of America, and he has held that position continuously since 
February of 1961. 

Mr. Craig, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to deny or affirm 
the fact, that you are and have been the Grand Dragon of the Realm 
of Georgia since February 1961. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, I think it ought to be clear that Mr. 
Manuel is under the same oath that he took on the first day of these 
hearings. 

Mr. Chalmers. I, as counsel for this witness was certain that Mr. 
Manuel was still under oath. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, investigation conducted by the committee 
has established that you originally joined the U.S. Klans, Knights of 
the Ku Klux Klan, in or about February 1959 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline 

Mr. Manuel. I didn't ask you a question. 
— and that as early as September 1960 you were the Grand Dragon 
for the State of Georgia of the U.S. Klans. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that you did join the U.S. Klans in February of 1959. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact that, in September 1960, you held the office of Grand 
Dragon of Georgia for the U.S. Klans. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that the last election of the Realm of Georgia of the 
United Klans of America was held in Savannah, Georgia, in July of 
1965, and that you were reelected as the Grand Dragon of the Realm 
of Georgia. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2154 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, are you appearing before the committee 
today in response to a subpena served upon you at 8 p.m. on the 
11th day of October 1965 by Deputy Marshal O. Davis ? 

Mr. Chalmeks. Mr. Chairman, I will stipulate that he is here in 
response to the subpena, and that the return on the subpena will 
speak for itself. 

The Chairman. And is correct ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, this subpena was delivered to you at 
722 Pearce Street, Southwest, Atlanta, Geoigia, which is your current 
residence ? 

Mr. Craig. 1 respectfully decline to answer that question based on 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, an attachment to this subpena requires 
you to produce certain documents before the committee. I will now 
read the first paragraph of that subpena : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and lueuioranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and aflSliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, the Georgia Rescue Service, 
and the State Men's Club in your possession, custody or control, or maintained 
by you or available to you as Grand Dragon, Realm of Georgia of the Invisible 
Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known 
as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you at this time to produce those books and records called for 
in paragraph 1 of this subpena. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 8, 1905, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all 
documents as demanded by the committee in the subpena dated 
October 8, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so 
might tend to incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed 
to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United 
Slate of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the witness be directed 
to produce the books and documents called for in paragraph 1 of the 
subpena. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, in each previous instance we made 
the following stipulation: (1) That the witness has been furnished 
with a copy of the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, 
and that he is familiar with its contents; (2) that the directions of the 
subpena to i)roduce the documents called for are made to the witness in 
the official it'presentative capacity described in the subpena. 

That stiixilation is now made with reference to this witness? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2155 

Mr. Chalmers. It certainly is, sir. 

The Chairman. I now order and direct you to produce the docu- 
ments called for in paragraph 1 of the attachment to the subpena, 
indicating that the committee takes the position that your failure 
to do so will subject you to contenijpt citation. 

Mr. Cr.\ig. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Maxuel. Mr. Craig, paragraph 2 of that subpena calls for : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Grand Dragon, Realm of Georgia of the United Klans of America, Inc., 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said or- 
ganization authorize and require to be maintained by you and any other officer 
of said organization, the same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I now ask you, Mr. Craig, to produce the documents called for in 
paragraph 2 of the subpena. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the witness be directed to 
produce the documents. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation with reference to paragraph 
1 is agreed to as to paragraph 2 ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. For the reasons already indicated, Mr. Craig, I 
order and direct you to produce those documents. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, paragraph 3 of that subpena calls for: 

Copies of U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Service, Form 1120, 
"U.S. Corporation Income Tax Return," and other Federal Income Tax Returns, 
corporate or otherwise, for the fiscal or calendar years 1961 through June 30, 
1965, filed by you with the U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Service, 
or in your possession, custody, or control, as Grand Dragon, Realm of Georgia, 
and being the Federal Income Tax Returns for or of the organizations and affili- 
ated organizations named in item numbered (1) above. 

They would be the Alabama Rescue Service, the Georgia Rescue 
Service, and/or the State Men's Club. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline 

Mr. Manuel. I now ask you, Mr. Craig, to produce those docu- 
ments as outlined in paragraph 3. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. The same stipulation, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation is made. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, paragraph 

The Chairman. I Avill tell you that the reasons given for your 
refusal are not accepted. I order and direct you to produce those 
documents. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon tJie grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, paragraph 4 of the subpena calls for: 

Copies of U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Service, Form 1040, 
"U.S. Individual Income Tax Return," for the calendar or fiscal years 1958 
through 1964, filed by you as an individual taxpayer with the U.S. Treasury 
Department, Internal Revenue Service. 



2156 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

I now ask you, Mr. Craig, to produce those documents called for in 
])aragraph 4. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. I do not order you to produce those documents be- 
cause it is a matter involving you personally and you have a right to 
invoke the protection and the privilege of the fifth amendment. 

Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, a few moments ago I mentioned the last 
election held of the Realm or State of Georgia, United Klans of 
America, and told you that the results of the investigation conducted 
by the committee has established that you were elected the Grand 
Dragon of the Realm of Georgia. 

The investigation conducted by the committee has established that 
Thomas Jenkins was elected at that convention to the position of 
Grand Klaliff. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Thomas Jenkins was elected to the position of Grand 
Klaliff. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reasons that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Investigation conducted by the committee has estab- 
lished that John M. Parker was elected at that convention to the posi- 
tion of grand kligrapp, or secretary. 

1 put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
John M. Parker was elected to that position. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Investigation has revealed that the following persons 
were elected to the positions which I will identify: James Douglas 
Newberry was elected to the position of grand klabee, or treasurer; 
Grady C. Little was elected to the position of grand kladd 

Mr. Weltner. Do you have the residence addresses of those per- 
sons? 

Mr. Manuel. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. The cities in which they live ? 

Mr. Manuel. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Would you include that in your question? Start 
with the first one. 

Mr. Manuel. Thomas Jenkins was identified by our investigation 
as residing at 2744 Stockbridge Road, Lithonia, Georgia. John M. 
Parker, whom our investigation has established to be the grand klig- 
rapp of the Realm of Georgia, resides at 162 Prospect Street, in Ros- 
well, Georgia. James Douglas Newberry, who was elected to the posi- 
tion of grand klabee, or treasurer, resides at 656 Mayland Avenue, 
Southwest, Atlanta, Georgia. Grady C. Little, who was elected to 
the position of grand kladd, resides at 4918 Glaze Drive, Doraville, 
Georgia. 

Our investigation furtlier reveals that John L. Brock, 3235 Canary 
Court, De Kalb County, Georgia, was elected to the position of grand 
klokard; further, that Charles Malcomb Bartlett, of 292 Connelly 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2157 

Koad, Forest Park, Georgia, was elected to the position of gi*and 
Idarogo ; further, that Cleveland Eugene Canup, who resides at Route 
2, Box 84, Lilburn, Georgia, was elected to the position of grand klex- 
ter ; further, that J. D. Johnson, whose address is Brown Road, Stone 
ISIountain, Georgia, was elected to the position of grand kludd ; fur- 
ther, that David J. Mathis, who resides on Route 3, Lawrenceville, 
Georgia, was elected to the position of grand night-hawk. 

Mr. Craig, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the results of our investigation with regard to the iden- 
t i ty of the grand officers is correct. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, I would like to show you a copy of a 
charter of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights Ku Klux 
Klan of America, Inc., as the same appears on file in the records of the 
Office of Secretary of State of the State of Georgia, which was filed 
on the 21st day of February 1961, and grants corporate existence to 
the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights Ku Klux Klan of 
America, Inc., and ask you if that was the date when the organization. 
Invisible Empire, United Klans of America, was established. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Robert Shelton Exhibit No. 2.") 

Mr. Manuel. Identified, Mr. Craig, as the original incorporators 
of that organization are Robert Day, 4422 Gregory Road, Decatur, 
Georgia; George Sligh, of 246 Wayne Avenue, Jonesboro, Georgia; 
and William A. Daniel, Sr., Post Office Box 455, Mableton, Georgia; 
and M. Wesley Morgan, Sr., of 27 Gould Street, Southeast, Atlanta 
15, Georgia. 

Do you know these people, Mr. Craig, to be members of the United 
Klans of America at the present time ? ^ 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, I would like to now show you the annual 
registration statement filed in the Office of Secretary of State of 
the State of Georgia for the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., which statement was filed on 
the 15th day of September 1964, and which identifies the name of 
the corporation as it exists today as the Invisible Empire, United 
Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., listing the 
President as Robert M. Shelton, of Suite 401, Alston Building, 
Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and listing the principal office in Georgia as 
772 Pearce Street, Atlanta, Georgia, and identifying the authorized 
agent in Georgia as Calvin F. Craig. 

Mr. Craig, I hand you this document and ask you if the information 
contained on this registration is factual ? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. • • t v 

(Document previously marked "Robert Shelton Exhibit No. 1. 
Seopp. 1602, 1603.) 



2158 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Maistuel. Mr. Craig, I would like to ask you if you, as Grand 
Dragon of the State of Georgia, have ever attended or been a party 
to instructions in the art of demolition, judo, or any other type of 
military training? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that in October of 1961 you, as Grand Dragon of the 
Realm of Georgia for the newly formed organization. United Klans 
of America, attended such an explosive demonstration and demolition 
instruction school in the vicinity of Macon, Georgia, on property 
owned by an individual named O. C. Mixon. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny that fact. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that the instructors at that demolition school were 
William B. Crowe, who was assisted by William A. Anderson. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point, I would like to read 
into the record the results of our investigation which determined 
exactly what demonstrations were made that day with regard to 
explosives and dynamite, and I would like to read each of these 
demonstrations into the record. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Number one demonstration was hoAv to set up a booby 
trap, using a mercury switch taken from an old washing machine, 
flashlight batteries, wire, and dynamite. 

A demonstration Avas given showing how these materials can be 
rigged to explode whenever an object is moved. 

The second demonstration was how to rig various types of fuse caps 
to dynamite in preparation for exploding the dynamite. In connection 
with this instruction, two types of fuses were demonstrated. One 
type was for detonation of dynamite using an electrical spark ob- 
tained from a flashlight battery. The other type was a safety fuse 
which detonated the dynamite by lighting the fuse which, in turn, 
sets off the dynamite. 

Various types of this fuse were demonstrated showing the various 
speeds of the type of fuse. 

The third demonstration given was how to rig an explosive charge 
that will give 3 or 4 minutes getaway time. In this demonstration, 
a piece of board about 2 feet long and 6 inches wide was used. A 
stick of dynamite was taped to one end of the board with black 
friction tape, A short piece of safety fuse was attached to the stick 
of dynamite and immecliately in front of this fuse was placed a wad 
of cotton impregnated with cigarette lighter fluid. A book of matches 
was then taped to the board in front of the cotton. 

To explode the dynamite, they placed a lighted cigarette between 
the matches in the matchbook. When the cigarette burned down, it 
ignited the matches which, in turn, ignited the cotton wliich ignites 
the fuse. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2159 

In a demonstration which took phice of this method, the explosion 
took pLace between 5 and fi minntes after the lighted cigarette was 
placed. 

The fourth demonstration which was taught was how to start an 
intense fire in an automobile, house or building. In demonstrating 
this method, instructor William Crowe took a small medicine bottle, 
about 2 inches tall, which was about two-thirds full of a powdery 
substance. He said this substance Avas powdered sugar and potassium 
chlorate. He then took a gelatin capsule and placed therein one or 
two drops of sulphuric acid. He said this acid can be obtained from 
the battery of an automobile. 

He then dropped the capsule into a medicine bottle and loosely 
replaced the lid. About 5 minutes later the bottle burst into an 
intense blue flame which lasted for several minutes. 

Crowe, during this demonstration, talked about the possibilities of 
using this type of device in department stores who integrate their 
eating facilities. He said a man could try on a new suit and leave 
one of these devices in the pocket. 

The fifth type of demolition taught was how to destroy an automo- 
bile w-ith simple, easy to .obtain materials. For this demonstration, 
Crowe used a quart fruit jar half filled with gasoline. He used ad- 
hesive tape to tape a 2-inch firecracker to the side of this jar. He 
then lit the firecracker and threw the jar into the back seat of a junked 
automobile which was being used for the demonst ration. 

When the firecracker exploded, 2 or 3 seconds later, it burst the 
fruit jar and threw gasoline fumes over the inside of the automobile 
which, in turn, exploded. 

This explosion and fire was so intense that Crow^e stated that no 
person would have a chance to escape from that automobile. 

The sixth type of explosion device taught was how to explode a type 
of fertilizer used by farmers known as sodium phosphate. 

Mr. Chairman, investigation shows that upon completion of these 
explosive instructions and demonstrations which took approximately 
3 hours, those present engaged for a short period in practice of the 
revolver and rifle. 

I put it to you as a fact, Mr. Craig, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you, as Grand Dragon of the State of Georgia, along 
with other members of the United Klans of America, including the 
Imperial Wizard, Robert M. Shelton, attended that explosive demon- 
stration in October 1961. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that during your tenure as Grand Dragon of 
the State of Georgia for the United Klans of America many such ex- 
plosive and judo and karate demonstrations have been given wnth 
vour full knowledge and approval. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny that fact. 
Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I would like at this time to read into 
the record another such explosive- judo-karate demonstration which 



2160 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

took place on October 17, 1964, held on the farm of Robert L. Bing in 
Henry County, Georgia. 

Bing has been identified by our investigation as the exalted cyclops 
of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

The purpose of this meeting on October 17 was to learn how to as- 
semble and disassemble the Ml rifle, how to make molotov cocktails, 
using bottles filled with a mixture of gasoline and motor oil, and how- 
to make small bombs from dynamite. A demonstration was given by 
the instructor in rigging a booby trap using a string stretched across a 
path in the woods. There was also a demonstration in making vari- 
ous types of fuses with which to ignite dynamite bombs. Included in 
the instruction was a guerrilla warfare problem in which the group 
considered problems of taking over a radio station and a power plant. 

Our investigation has revealed that the instructors at this explosive 
and judo demonstration were Daniel Bruce and Charles M. Bartlett, 
who was previously identified as the grand klarogo of the Realm of 
Georgia. 

Daniel Bruce has been identified by our investigation as an officer 
of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Craig, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that such an explosion demonstration was given on the farm 
of Robert L. Bing on October 17, 1964. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I further put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that this was done with your full knowledge and 
approval. 

Mr. CiLviG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the instructors identified at this demonstration, Daniel 
Bruce and Charles M. Bartlett, are officers of the United Klans of 
America, Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, I would like to show you a copy of an 
order which you disseminated to Klansmen as Grand Dragon of the 
Realm of Georgia, headed "United Klans of America, Inc., Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan, P.O. Box 10753, Atlanta, Georgia," dated Janu- 
ary 17, 1965. 

(Mr. Manuel then read the following document, which was marked 
"Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 1" :) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2161 

Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 1 

United Klr.ns of .'.rncric"., Inc« 
Knights of the Ku Klvoc IClan 
P. b. Box 107^3 
Atl-^.ntn, Georgia 
Jr.nu'.r/ 17, 1965 
Estc5}ed Klcns-nen; 

Te T/ill str.rtJudo, K-.r-.te, r.nci "ifle o.nd Pistol firing 
training on llond^y, January £?, 1965 -*- « the Henry Coimty jj^ 
IClc'.vern. 

Four.^C^) t-^OTjliien hc.vs clrer.dy been purchr.sed by Kl^.ytoiK-- ■ " 
;,'-52 IQr.vern., There idll be ^ trophy for e.^.ch of the above clnsses, 

Everyone vrho particip.\tes in' the tr?.ining I^ST sign ?. 
rele~.se of fill responsibilities. 

Each participant \,'ill pcy 02, 50 to cover 2i months of trcining, 
This training is spons'>red by Klr.yton ^1^52. Contact #52 for :.ny 
further inforr-irtion, 

I. T. 3. U, B. 

C .LVa: F. CI.. I?, GRaT) DR.GOi: 
Rr .Li: 0? GDORGi;. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, I show you this and. ask you if this a factual 
representation of what you sent out to persons you addressed as 
"Esteemed Klansmen.'' 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Craig, paragraph 4 of the charter which was is- 
sued by the State of Georgia for the Invisible Empire, United Klans, 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., says : 

The general purpose of the corporatiton shall be to teach patriotism, to support 
the Constitution and Laws of the United States and the several States wherein 
said corporation may be established, and to maintain the liberty bequeathed to 
us by our forefathers, and to preserve the American way of life. 

Mr. Craig, I ask you to explain to the committee how, in light of 
the explosion demonstrations, judo, and karate which the members 
of the United Klans of America, Kealm of Georgia, engage in that 
this condition can be satisfied. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Eobert Shelton Exhibit No. 2.") 

Mr. IVIanuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point the staff would like to 
request that Mr. Craig be temporarily dismissed and recalled at a later 
date in the Georgia phase of the United Klan hearings. 

The Chairman. Some members might have some questions. 

Mr. Weltner. I have some questions, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Craig, on February 7, which was a Sunday, 1965, did you at- 
tend a meeting in the city of Atlanta with other Klan leaders from 
Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Ala- 
bama, and Louisiana? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. I am looking at a clipping from the Atlanta Con- 
titution, dated Monday, February 8, 1965, and it quotes you and Im- 



2162 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

perial Wizard Robert M. Shelton to the effect "the Klan is taking its 
gloves off" and is beginning a "direct action" attack. 

I would like to know what was meant by the terms "taking its gloves 
off" and "direct action." 

Mr. CiLViG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 2" appears on 
p. 2163.) 

Mr. Weltner. Was the training of judo, karate, explosives, demoli- 
tion, what was meant by direct action ? Is this what is meant by tak- 
ing the gloves off? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. "\Aliere was that meeting held on Sunday, February 
7, Mr. Craig? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based on 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. I would like to hand you two documents, one of 
them being a leaflet saying "HEAR & SEE Robert M. Shelton, Im- 
perial Wizard [and] Calvin F. Craig, Grand Dragon of Ga.," October 
17, 1965, Bacon Park at Memorial Stadium, Savamiah, Georgia, 
"Public Invited," United Klans of America, Inc. 

I would like to know whether or not that is what it appears to be, 
a public meeting of the United Klans to be held on that day, October 
17, 1065. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based up- 
on the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 3" appears on 
p. 2164.) 

Mr. Weltner. I hand you also a leaflet entitled "United Klans 
Of America, Inc., Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan, Realm of Ga., 
P.O. Box 10753, Atlanta, Georgia," the same post ojfice box previ- 
ously mentioned in the testimony, and ask you whetlier or not that 
leaflet was disseminated and distributed to those who attended that 
rally on October 17, in the city of Savannah, Georgia ? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon tlie grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 4" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Weltner. I hand you a series of photographs which I have 
marked on the reverse side thereof as 1, 2, 3, and 4. 

I state as a fact that these photographs were taken at that meeting 
on October 17, 1965, and I will ask you wliether or not photograph 1 
is not a photograph of yourself in attendance at that meeting? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. And photograph 2 is a picture of a man who is 
dressed in a robe that is either green or red. 

I will ask you the identity of the man who appears in that robe, in 
the darker colored robe in photograph 2. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Photograph No. 3 is a picture, I believe, of a man 
with glasses and a white robe, having some sort of a distinctive insignia 
on the front. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2163 

Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 2 
[Atlanta Constitution, February 8, 1965] 

'Taking Off Gloves^ 
Mopping Up^Klan Says 



By BILL SHIPP 

C«wrti(a««ii S(««« News EdM«r 

The Imperial Wizard (rf the 
Ku Klux Klan announced angrily 
Sunday night that "the Klan is 
taking its gloves (rff" in a 'di- 
rect action" attack against inte- 
grationists in Georgia. 

"You can call this a mopping- 
up operation because that's what 
we are gtting to d<v— mop up," 
said Robert Shelton of Tusca- 
loosa, Ala., the Klan's Imperial 
Wizard. 

Shelt^ was In Atlanta for 
what he described as a "stra- 
tegy session" with Klaji leaders 
from Georgia, South Carolina, 
North C«x)lina, Tennessee, Mis- 
sissi{^, Alabama and Louisiana. 

Neither Sheltwi nor Georgia 
Grand Dragon Calvta Craig 
would spell out exactly what 
they meent fcy the "gloves-off" 
policy, 

CYaig said the closing of Les- 
ter Maddox's cafeteria "is the 
last straw as far as I'm con- 
cerned." 

Both Shelton and Craig said 
one target of their attack will be 
Georgia's white politicians "who 
have done nothing but give lip 
service to the white man whale 
they went to bat for the nig- 
gers. . . ." 

Tlie Klan officials said they 
were including Sen. Richard 
Russell and Sen. Herman Tal- 
madge among the politicians 
they plan to "take action 
against." 

Shelton and Craig said t^ 
were cwifident of wide support 
for their can^)aign in Georgia 



because of the result of the elec- 
tion. 

"Just r«nember this: Dick 
Russell took off for Europe when 
the election campaign was go- 
ing on. and he could have been 
down here campaigning for the 
white man," Craig said. "And 
everytime a niggca* is elected to 
office, little Haman (Tal- 
madge) has to take him down 
to lus farm for a chittorling 
dinner and pig ear salad.** 

Shelton also laD^>asted Fifth 
District Rep. Charles Wdtner 
and said the Klan would go all 
out to unseat _him.. Shelton said 
be plaimed Mrsonally **to ez- 
poee Mr. Weitner." 

Weltner, a newly appointed 
member of the Bouse Un-Amol- 
can Activities Committee, has 
proposed an faivestigati<m of the 
Klan by that committee. 

"I don't see how Mr. Weltner 
can spoasat a dinner for Dr. 
Martin Luther King, who is a 
sponsor of a c<»nmittee to ab<d- 
ish the House Committee on Un- 
American Actiyities," Sbelton 
said. 

"You can look lor a real up- 
siB-ge in Klan activities in the 
next few montits. Some el it 
will be direct action, and scene 
of it may be undercover," the 
Klansmen said. 

The Klar^meo said they had 

planned to have dinoet at Let- 
\» Maddox's cafeteria Suncbiy 
night. W6eB Maddox closed his 
doors rather than integrate, 
Shelton said the Klan offered 
the restatB^teur ita tuppctei. 



2164 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 3 

HEAR & SEE 

Robert M. Shelton imperial Wizard 
Calvin F, Craig Grand Dragon of Ga 



Yesterday, Today 




m 


OCTOBER 171965 


j& 


3:00 P. M. 

BACON PARK AT 

MEMORIAL STADIUM 

SAVANNAH, GEORGIA 


and Forever 





If you are WHITE you should attend this Meeting! 

Klansmen in Robes will show you the way 

to the Meeting. 

Public Invited 



RAIN OR SHINE 



UNITED KLANS OF AMERICA, INC., innnr 

P. O. Box 10753 
Atlanta, Georgia 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2165 



I will ask you the identity of that man. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Photograph No. 4 shows six or seven men in Klans- 
man uniform, and it is, I w^ll state as a fact, taken at that same meeting. 

I will ask you to identify the individuals in that photograph. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Photographs marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 5." Photographs 
Nos. 2 and 4 follow: Nos. 1 and o retained in committee files.) 

Mr. Weltner. All right, sir. 

Now, in the document which you were previously handed, entitled 
"United Klaus Of America, Inc.," Realm of Georgia, there is this 
statement, and I should like to ask you what is mean oy this statement: 
"Georgia won its battle in the last national election, but the war was 
lost." 

I would like to ask what that statement means, Mr. Craig. 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. I have one further question. 

The witness is a resident of the Fifth Congressional District of 
Georgia. Previous testimony here has shown the structure of the 
Klan to be divided within a realm into provinces which are contiguous 
with congressional districts. 

Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 5 
Photograph No. 2 




2166 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 
Photograph No. 4 




Photographs taken at UKA meeting Oct. 17, 1965, in Savannah, Ga. 



I should like to know, as a matter of curiosity, the name of the grand 
titan of the Fifth Province of Georgia ? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. No further questions. 

Mr. AsHBRooK. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask one question. 

In the charter which is on file with the secretaiy of state, which 
has been referred to previously by counsel, in j^aragraph 3 your 
organization states as its purpose that the organization shall be social, 
fraternal, charitable, and beneficent. 

Is it not a fact that the true aims of your organization are not 
remotely similar to or connected with these high-sounding purposes 
set out in this charter ? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. AsiiBRooK. In the area of "direct action"' referred to by Rep- 
resentative Weltner awhile ago, we have already had testimony to 
the effect that direct action, political action, is being considered 
against Representative Willis. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2167 

Would it be possible that you are considering direct political action 
of that type against other members of this committee? 

Mr. CiL\iG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. AsHBROOK. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman ? 

Concerning the question of Mr. Ashbrook, I have one further 
question. 

I am reading a quote from the same paper, the Atlanta Constitution 
of February 8, 1965. After that I will have a question for the wit- 
ness as to whether or not this is an accurate quote ascribed to him. 

At the meeting which this paper states was held in Atlanta, Georgia, 
on the 7th : 

The Klan officials said they were including Sen. Richard Russell and Sen. 
Herman Talmadge among the politicians they plan to "take action against." 

Shelton and Craig said they were confident of wide support for their cam- 
paign in Georgia because of the result of the election. 

"Just remember this : Dick Russell took off for Europe when the election 
campaign was going on, and he could have been down here campaigning for 
the white man," Craig said. "And everytime a nigger is elected to office, little 
Herman (Talmadge) has to take him down to his farm for a chitterling dinner 
and pig ear salad." 

Shelton also lambasted Fifth District Rep. Charles Weltner and said the Klan 
would go all out to unseat him. * * * 

I would like to ask, Mr. Craig, if that is an accurate resume of the 
conversation of yourself and Mr. Shelton on that occasion in February 
1965? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. AVeltner. That is all. 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Craig, like Mr. Scoggin, you are a part of 
the Invisible Empire and are in charge of a realm, and their political 
subdivisions which I understand are called provinces. 

In earlier testimony, I understand the word was used that your 
new members are naturalized into the Klan. You pay taxes to the 
realm and to the Empire. You take an oath which can come in con- 
flict with the duties of citizenship of your members to the State, to 
the United States, because they take an oath of secrecy, as I under- 
stand, in which they will not violate this secret of another member, 
except in the case of malicious murder and a few other things, so that 
all sorts of criminal acts could be committed which their oath of 
secrecy would forbid them to reveal, even under oath as you are now. 

In the light of all of this, I want to ask you what I earlier asked 
Mr. Scoggin. As a naturalized citizen and leader of the Invisible 
Empire, does your loyalty to that Empire supersede and is it greater 
than your loyalty to the United States ? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. I would like to say, Mr. Chairman, in response to 
Mr. Weltner's query, I don't know what the gentleman meant by the 
victory won in Georgia in the last election. 

I would say, however, that any victories won in political elections 
in Georgia or in my own State of Alabama are by no means attribut- 



2168 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

able to the organization being investigated here, and that the military 
preparations made by this organization and in connection with which 
they referred to direct action, of course, have no application in politics. 

I, am very much interested in exactly whom these military operations 
are going to be conducted against. 

Mr. Craig, you are teachmg people how to make bombs and all sorts 
of other military training. Against whom are you going to conduct 
military operations? The United States, the State of Georgia, or 
whom ? 

Mr. Craig. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Let me assure my colleague that 1 simply asked the 
question for information as to what was meant by winning the battle 
in Georgia but losing the war. I make no inference from that. 

I simply wanted to know the meaning of that as contained in that 
pamphlet. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the documents exhibited 
to Mr. Craig at the point of interrogation be made a part of this 
record, sir. 

Mr. AsHBROOK. Including those of Mr. Weltner? I would like to 
see those as part of the record. 

The Chairman. It is so ordered. 

Mr. Craig, we have many more questions to ask of you. You are 
excused, but you remain under subpena, to report back before the 
committee on November 5, 1965, this year.^ 

The committee will stand in recess until Monday morning, next, 
at 10 o'clock. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Weltner, Ashbrook, and Buchanan.) 

(Whereupon, at 3:34 p.m., Thursday, October 28, 1965, the sub- 
committee recessed, to reconvene at 10 a.m., Monday, November 1, 
1965.) . ^, , 



1 Mr. Craig was not recalled, and on Jan. G, 1966, was discharged from further appear- 
ance under his subpena. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS 
IN THE UNITED STATES 

Part 2 



MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1965 

United States House of Representatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 

Washington^ D.C. 
public hearings 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities 
met, pursuant to recess, at 10:10 a.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon 
House Office Buildmg, Washington, D.C, Hon, Edwin E. Willis 
(chairman) presiding. 

(Subcommittee members: Representatives Edwin E. Willis, of 
Louisiana, chairman; Joe R. Pool, of Texas; Charles L. Weltner, of 
Georgia; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio; and John M. Buchanan, Jr., of 
Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present : Representatives Willis, Pool, Welt- 
ner, and Buchanan, 

Committee member also present : Representative Richard H. Ichord, 
of Missouri. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; AVilliam 
Hitz, general counsel; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel; Donald T, Appell, 
chief investigator; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

The Chairman, The subcommittee will come to order. 

Counsel, call your first witness, 

Mr, Appell, The representative of the Heritage Garment Works. 

The Chairman. Please come forward. Please raise your right 
hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will 
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Newton. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

TESTIMONY OF YOUNGER M. NEWTON, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, before we do proceed, I think 
possibly 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Chairman, let's have the man who has been sworn in 
identify himself. 

2169 



2170 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Chalmers. I think that is what we need to do from this stand- 
point : The subpena reads to Herita<2;e Garment Works, and does not 
list anyone specifically. I thought that you and myself could stipu- 
late this man's name and his title with the garment works for any 
purposes that you see fit. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, I understand you will stipulate that 
the entity named in the subpena. Heritage Garment Works of Colum- 
bia, South Carolina, is a partnership. 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. And the name of the two partners? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Younger M. Newton, who sits here at my right, 
who is here in response to the subpena. 

Mr. Pool. And the man who was just sworn in 'I 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. And Mr. G. E. Blizzard is a copartner, 
also of Columbia, South Carolina. 

The Chairman. And this witness. Younger Newton, is appearing 
as a representative of the partnership ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir ; Younger M. Newton. 

The Chairman. Let's now stipulate. It is stipulated that Heritage 
Garment Works of Columbia, South Carolina, is a partnership com- 
posed of Younger M. Newton and 

Mr. Chalmers. G. E. Blizzard. 

The Chairman. And that the witness just sworn. Younger M. New- 
ton, is appearing here as a representative of the partnership. 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir ; in response to the subpena. 

The Chairman. In response to the subpena. 

Mr. Chalmers. When was that served, Mr. Appell ? 

Mr. Appell. October 28. 

The Chairman. All right. Proceed. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Witness, do you agree with the stipulation of your 
counsel that you are Younger M. Newton and appearing in accordance 
with the subpena ? 

The Chairman. Certainly counsel has a right to enter into the stip- 
ulation. 

Mr. Chalmers. I don't have objection to him answering that ques- 
tion. 

The Chairman. All right. 

Mr. Newton. That is true ; yes. 

Mr. Appell. Your appearance here in accordance 

The Chairman. Identify counsel. 

Mr. Appell. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Newton. Yes. 

Mr. Appell. Will counsel identify himself for the record, please? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

The Chairman. Now that counsel has been identified, the stipula- 
tion is reiterated, including the response of his client ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, are you appearing here in accordance 
with a subpena addressed to the Heritage Garment Works, 522 How- 
ard Street, Columbia, South Carolina, served by personal service upon 
Mrs. Evelyn Newton and Mr. Gilbert Edward Blizzard at 1 :15 p.m. 
on the 28th day of October 1965 ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2171 

Mr. Xea\ton. Yes. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, Avlien and where were you born? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
I'eason that I honestly feel that my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 
1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were born on July 27, 1915. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel that my answer might tend to incrimi- 
nate me in violation of my rights guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 
1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Appell. Other than the partnership known as Heritage Gar- 
ment Works, do you have other employment ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer the question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you are employed full-time by the International Pipe 
and Ceramic Company, Columbia, South Carolina. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, under the terms of the subpena, the 
Heritage Garment Works was commanded to bring and produce: 

Orders, contracts, correspondence, records of payments of all robes ( Klansmen, 
Kleagle, King Kleagle, Titan, Grand Officer, etc.) and Blood Drop Insignia sold 
to any individual or organization from January 1, 1961, to present. 

As a representative of Heritage Garment Works, I ask you to pro- 
duce the items called for in the subpena. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee in subpena dated 
October 28, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane 
to the subject imder investigation and the same would not aid the 
Congress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor 
is such required within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89tli Congress, by House Reso- 
lution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 28, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the witness be directed to 
produce the documents called for in the subpena in his representative 
capacity. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, we have all along in the past entered 
into the following stipulation : that the witness has been furnished with 
a copy of the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, and 
that he is familiar with its contents ; that the directions of the subpena 
to produce the documents called for are made to the witness in his 
official representative capacity described in the subpena. 



2172 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Chalmers. I think possibly we should correct that to be "as so 
stipulated today." 

The Chairman. And as so stipulated today. 

Is that agreeable ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairjman. Mr. Newton, the committee does not accept the rea- 
sons you gave for failing to produce the documents, and you are, 
therefore, ordered and directed to produce them. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, I shall hand to you, after I read it into 
the record, a copy of a document produced by the State Bank and 
Trust Company, West Columbia, South Carolina, in accordance with 
a subpena duces tecum served upon the bank for books, records, can- 
celed checks, and other documents relating to Heritage Garment 
Works. 

This document is headed, "Individual Unincorporated Operating 
Under Trade Name Authority To Open Deposit Account," dated 
May 3, 1965, addressed to "State Bank & Trust Co., West Columbia" : 

The undersigned desires to establish with you a deposit and checking account 
to be known as Heritage Garment Works and hereby certifies that said name is 
a trade name used in the conduct of an unincorporated business, owned entirely 
by the undersigned. 

Checks and orders for the payment of money withdrawing funds from said 
account may be signed by : Younger M. Newton OR G. E. Blizzard. 

Checks, drafts, notes, bills of exchange and orders for the payment of money 
may be endorsed by any of the above and deposited with you for the credit of 
said account. Such endorsements may be made in Avriting or by a stamp and 
without designation of the i>erson endorsing. 

The undersigned authorizes and requests you to pay and charge said account 
checks, obligations and orders for the payment of money drawn on or payable at, 
or which shall be paid or honored by your bank when so signed whether payable 
to the order of any of said signers or not ; and further authorizes and requests 
you to receive deposits and conduct the said account in accordance with the 
instructions stated above, and stated on the authorized signature card filed with 
you by the undersigned. 

If any other person become interested in said business as co-partners of the 
undersigned or if the business should become incorporated the undersigned will 
notify you promptly. 

This is signed "G. E. Blizzard." 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
this was filed with the State Bank and Trust Company, West Columbia. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

(Document marked "Younger Newton Exhibit No. 1," appears on 
p. 2173.) 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of the signature card referred to 
in the previous document, signed "G. E. Blizzard," "Younger" — and 
here it appears, Mr. Chairman, it is "Mc" and the last name is 
"N-e-w-t-o-n." It looks like "McNewton." 

I hand you a copy of the signature card and ask you if that is 
your signature. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2173 

Younger Newton Exhibit No. 1 

INDIVIDUAL UNINCORPORATED OPERATING UNDER TRADE NAME 
AUTHORITY TO OPEN DEPOSIT ACCOUNT 

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TJie unfJersigned desires to estoblish with you o ce,x)jit and checking account to be known as 

ijJe no"ie oiecl in fhe conduct of an unincorporoted business, owned 
entirely bv ihe undersigned. 

Checks ond or ours for the noymenf of "loney w iihdfowing funds from joid account may be signed by: 



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■e blank spaces for narne* of ..u -Aether checks will bear one signatere or will 

•1 signed on-i ccunfo'^' '.■^•" 

Checks, drafts, notes, bills of exchange m t'or the payment of money moy be endorsed by ony of 

the above ond deposited with you for tr.ci cc jit o' , :. Such endorsements may be made in wrifing or 

t; a stomp onj ftithout designation of the pe;'--— <■- ^"■-ji-.g . 

The undersigned authorizes cnu ■eqoeits ,00 to .1^/ ond charge said account checks, obligations and 
orders fc ' . ment o' money drCTA ■ -/able of, or which shell be poid or honored by your bonk when 

so signed whether payable *o the or(> ?, and further authorizes ond requests you to 

receive deposits on-i coniii.ct the scio vtructionj stoted obove, and stated on ', 

the outhorized sigroture card fi -J 

K f:n. ^tss ns CO- partners of the under;igned or if the business 

shoufd becoTie ircjfj/orarec the uruer'jijneo 'viii -.-^t,:, ^,p,., ^jiof^i ^f.'y . 



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Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Younger New'ton Exhibit No. 2" follows :) 



2174 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Younger Newton Exhibit No. 2 



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JOINT ACCOUNT 



STATE BANK AND TRUST CO. 



The undersigned joint dcposilors hereby agree each with th 
posil herelolore or hereafter deposilcd by either or both of s 
depositors with all accumulations thereon, are and shall be o 
led to the check or receipt ol either ol them or the survivor o 
vlvor shall be valid and discharge sold bank from liability 
power to deposit in said joint account moneys of the other a 
instriimont payobe to the order of the other or both said join 
bo subject to the laws relating to inheritance and succession 
The rights or authority ol the bank under this agreement sha 
of them except by written notice to said bank which shall n 
/ clause on the reverse side is a part of this contract. 



e other and with the above bank that all sums now on de- 
aid joint depositors with said bank to their credit as such joint 
wned by them jointly, with right of survivorship and be sub* 
f them and payment to or on the check of either or the sur* 
Each of the undersigned appoints the other attorney, with 
nd for that purpose to endorse any check, draft, note or other 
depositors. Payment to or on check of the survivor shall 
taxes and all rules and regulations mode pursuant thereto. 
U not be changed or terminated by said depositors or either 
oi affect transactions heretofore made. It is agreed thai the 



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Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of an imprinted check, "Heritage 
Garment Works," Route 1, Eastover, South Carolina, September 3, 
1965, "pay to the order of Robert M. Shelton, $100, One Hundred and 
No/lOO Dollars," on the State Bank and Trust Company, West Colum- 
bia, South Carolina, signed "Younger M. Newton," 

I ask you if you are the signer of that check. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Check marked "Yomiger Newton Exhibit No. 3" follows:) 

Younger Newton Exhibit No. 3 



Heritage Garment Wor- 

Rt. i 
EASTOVER. S. C. 



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State Bank £; Trust Co. 

WEST COLUMBIA. S. C. 



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Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, for what purpose was that check drawn 
to the order of Robert M. Shelton ? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2175 

Mr, Ai'i'ELL. Was this a commission jjayment to Robert M. Slielton 
on gannents manufactured by the Heritage Garment Works? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
ujx)!! the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, the check which I exhibited to you was 
obtained as a result of a subpena duces te.cmn served on The First 
National Bank of Tuskaloosa calling for the records of the Alabama 
Rescue Service, and this was an item of deposit to that account. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
this was a commission payment to Robert M. Shelton. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, the State Bank and Trust Company rec- 
ords contained copies of ledger cards in the name of the Heritage 
Garment Works, which records reflect that this account was opened 
on May 3, 1965, with a deposit of $226.56. From the date of May 3, 
1965, through and including September 30, 1965, there has been de- 
posited to this account the sum of $7,232.07. 

I ask you if the income deposited, or the debits or deposits to this 
account were funds received for the sale of robes described in the 
subpena ? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Documents marked "Younger Newton Exhibit No. 4" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of an order form on the letterhead 
of Heritage Garment Works, 522 Howard Street, Columbia, South 
Carolina, which is headed, "Please Send Orders To :" and I put it to 
you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that this is the 
official order blank used for the purchase of robes and other items 
described on the blank. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Docmnent marked "Younger Newton Exhibit No. 5" and retained 
in committee files.) 

Mr. Appell. This order blank which was obtained from your resi- 
dence by the committee's investigator at the time he served the subpena 
shows satin robes, $17; cotton robes, $15; and the blood drop insignia 
at $1 each. 

With respect to the satin robes, who manufactures or makes the robes 
for the Heritage Garment Works ? 

Mr. Newton. I resjDectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. What is the actual cost to the Heritage Garment Works 
for the manufacture of the robes ? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. To whom and in what amounts are commissions paid 
on the sale of robes ? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. What is the profit made on the cotton robes which, 
according to the order blank, sell for $15 ? 



2176 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Newtox. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. IVlio manufactures the cotton robes ? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. To whom and in what amounts are commissions paid 
for the sale of cotton robes ? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that, in addition to manufacturing robes for the members 
of the United Klans of America, you manufacture robes for Klan 
groups falling within the National Association of Knights of the Ku 
Klux Klans. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, in February 1964:, a klonvokation was held 
by the United Klans of America at the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel, 
Birmingham, Alabama. Did you attend that klonvokation ? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I hand you a copy of a registration card executed at 
the hotel on February 8, 1964, containing the signature of Mr. and 
Mrs. Younger Newton. I ask you if you signed that registration card 
at the time you registered into the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Younger Newton Exhibit No. 6" follows:) 

Younger Newton Exhibit No. 6 



1*03 NEV/rON YOUNGER & WF 12-48 W«|» ' .^^^^ 

NR 47850 H 47850 



F-DA 2/8 COL S C 



PUEASE CHECK YOUR BAGGAGE OR SEND 6AME TO YOUR ROOM: OTHERWISE THE HOTEL COMPANY WILL 

NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR LOSS. 



rHE HOTEL COMPANY WILL 



Dinkler-Tutwiler , 5 



OtnCCTION 

DINKLER HOTEL CORPORATION 
'DispaNssns or Tiiuk Bouthern HoapiTAurr 



GUESTS A(%E HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT THE COMPANY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR VALUABLES. MONEY. 
JEWELRY. CLOTHING ETC UNLESS THE SAME ARE DEPOSITED IN tAFE 




Room No. 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2177 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were present at that klonvokation at the time Robert 
Thompson was elected the Imperial Klaliff; W. O. Perkins the Im- 
perial Kligrapp; and Fredrick Smith, the Imperial Klabee. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Newton, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that in 1964 you were elected to the position of 
Grand Klaliff, or vice president, of the Realm of South Carolina. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the other grand officers elected at the same time were 
Robert E. Scoggin, Grand Dragon ; James O. Davis, grand klokard ; 
Reverend Wilbum Samuel Cox, grand kludd; Robert Nix, grand kli- 
grapp ; Maddox as grand klabee ; Bullock as grand kladd ; Carlyle F. 
Lewis, Jr., grand klarogo; E. D. Huston, grand klexter; Steve Broad- 
way, grand night-hawk; Theodore Boyce Spires, grand kleagle; and 
Wilbum E. Cox as klokann chief. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that in speaking at rallies in South Carolina, along wath Wil- 
bum Samuel Cox, that the Klan of South Carolina takes the position 
that the trouble with the South today is the conspiracy between the 
Commmiists and the Catholic Church. 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Appell. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of this 
wdtness. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Newton, are you a member of the Ku Klux 
Klan? 

Mr. Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Newton, would the records that have been called 
for production under that subpena disclose the names of other mem- 
bers of the Ku Klux Klan, were they furnished to this committee as 
required by the subpena? 

Mr, Newton. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. I have no further questions. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from his 
subpena. 

Call the next witness. 

The committee will stand in recess for 2 minutes. 

(Wliereupon, at 10:40 a.m., the subcommittee recessed and recon- 
vened at 10 :43 a.m. Subcommittee members present at time of recess 
and when hearmgs resumed : Representatives Willis, Pool, Weltner, 
and Buchanan.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will come to order. 

Proceed, Mr. Manuel. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff would like to call as the next 
witness Mr. William Aaron Daniel, Sr. 

The Chairman. Please come forward. 



2178 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Please raise your right hand, sir. 

Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give will be 
the tnith, the whole truth, and nothing but the trutli, so help you God ? 
Mr. Daniel. I do. 
The Chairman. Proceed, Mr. Manuel. 

TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM AARON DANIEL, SR., ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. IVIanuel. Mr. Daniel, would you please state your full name for 
the committee? 

Mr. Daniel. William Aaron Daniel, Sr. 

Mr. Manuel. "V^Hiere do you reside ? 

Mr. Daniel. 402 Lobelia Drive, Macon, Georgia. 

Mr. Manuel. What is your present occupation ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, are you represented by counsel? 

Mr. Daniel. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, 
Koom 501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you are self-employed as a house painter. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, would you please give the committee a 
resume of your educational background ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chahlman. A little louder, Mr. Daniel. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, when and where were you born, sir ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, are you currently a member of a Ku Klux 
Klan organization ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chainnan, at this tune I would like to state for 
the record the results of the committee investigation concerning this 
witness. 

Committee investigation has established that Mr. Daniel was an 
active member of the Association of Georgia Klans in the e<arly 1950's 
and was elected to the position of Imperial Kligrapp or secretary of 
the Association of Georgia Klans at the national klonvokation of 
that organization in Atlanta, Georgia, on June 20, 1954. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2179 

Mr. Chairman, this organization has been desi<»;naited by the Attor- 
ney General pursuant to ExecutiA'e Order 10450. 

Fnrtlier, in 1955, Mr. Daniel was one of the orig^inal incorporators 
of the U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc., and soon be- 
came an officer in that organization. 

In March of 1956, he was elected Imperial Kligrapp of the U.S. 
Klans, Knights of the Kn Klux Klan, Inc., and held this position 
until February 1961 when the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan, Avas formed. 

Mr. Daniel was also an original incorporator of this organization. 

Mr. Daniel became the Imperial Kligrapp of this organization and 
held the office until July of 1961. Since that time he has been an 
active member and has been, and is now, exalted cyclops of Nathan 
Bedford Forrest Klavern No. 1 of the United Klans of America, 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. This Klavern, the N. B. Forrest No. 1, 
is located in the vicinity of Atlanta, Georgia. 

Now, Mr. Daniel, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that the results of the investigation as outlined by 
me are correct. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, are you appearing this moniing before 
the committee as a result of a subj^ena served upon you at 5 :45 p.m., 
on the 12th day of October 1965, by J. E. Dilbeck, deputy U.S. 
marshal ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, as his counsel, I will stipulate that 
he is appearing as a result of that subpena. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, paragraph 1 of that subpena calls upon 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated or- 
ganizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, the Georgia Rescue Service, 
State Men's Club, Nathan Bedford Forrest Klavern #1, Realm of Georgia, 
United Klans of America, Inc., in your possession, custody or control, or main- 
tained by you or available to you as Exalted Cyclops, Nathan Bedford Forrest 
Klavern # 1, Realm of Georgia and one of the original incorporators of the 
Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., 
also known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. Daniel, I now request that you produce the books and docu- 
ments described in paragraph 1 of your subpena. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee in subpena dated 
October 12, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolu- 
tion 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in their subpena dated Octo- 



59-222 O— 67— pt. 2 15 



2180 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

ber 12, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend 
to incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4. and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of Ajnerica. 

The Chairmax. Mr. Chalmers, we have heretofore all along entered 
into the following stiiDulation : That the witness has been furnished 
with a copy of the chaimian's opening statement of October 19, 1965, 
and that he is familiar with its contents; that the directions of the sub- 
pena to produce the documents called for are made to the witness in 
the official representative capacity described in the subpena. 

Is this stipulation now entered into? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. Mr. Daniel, the Chair and the committee do not 
accept your reasons for failing to produce those documents. I now 
order and direct you to do so. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, paragraph 2 of your subpena requests you 
to bring : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Exalted Cyclops, Xatban Bedford Forrest Klavern #1. Realm of Georgia, of 
the United Klans of Ajnerica, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the 
"Constitution and Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be main- 
tained by you and any other oflBcer of said organization, the same being in your 
possession, custody or control. 

Mr. Daniel, I now request that you tuni over to the committee all 
books, records, and so forth, as called for in paragraph 2 of your sub- 
pena. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the groimds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The stipulation just made applies to this para- 
graph ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Daniel, the committee does not accept your 
reasons for refusing to produce the documents and I order and direct 
you to produce them. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based "upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, A\here does the Nathan Bedford Forrest 
Klavern #1 hold its meetings? 

Mr. Daniei^. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the Ignited States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the Nathan Bedford Forrest Klavern 
#1 now holds its meetings at 909-911 Stewart Avenue, Northwest, 
Atlanta,. Georgia. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuei.. Mr. Daniel, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the address that I just gave is also the 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE tJ.S. 2181 

address of the State headquarters of the Realm of Georgia, United 
Klans of America. 

Mr. Daxikl. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, I will now show you a copy of a charter 
filed with the State of Georgia, Office of Secretary of State, dated 
the 2-J:th day of October 1955, which lists the following persons as 
original petitioners and incorporators of an organization known as the 
U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc.: E. L. Edwards, M. 
Wesley Morgan, and William ,A- Daniel, Sr., whose post office address 
shall be 1272 Lucille Avenue. Southwest, Atlanta, Georgia. 

I show you a copy of this charter, Mr. Daniel, and ask you if you 
are the William Daniel so named in that charter. 

( Docmnent handed to witness. ) 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "William Daniel Exhibit No. 1." This exhibit 
will be reproduced in a forthcoming report on Klan organizations.) 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Prior to the filing of this charter, Mr. Daniel, I put 
it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 6r deny the fact, that you 
were an officer in an organization called the Association of Georgia 
Klans. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated^ 

Mr. Manuel. Sir, did you know that on April 29, 1953, that or- 
ganization was designated by the iVttorney General under Executive 
Order 10450? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. After that date, the committee's information is that 
you were elected the Imperial Kligrapp of that organization on June 
20, 1954. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that you were elected to that position on that date. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. In 1955 when you filed as an original incorporator of 
the U.S. Klans, was the Imperial Wizard Eldon L. Edwards aware of 
the fact that you had been an officer of that organization ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to ansAver that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, I show you now a copy of a charter filed 
with the Office of the Secretary of State of Georgia for an organiza- 
tion known as the "Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights [of the] 
Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc.,-' dated the 21st day of February 1961. 

In paragraph one of this charter are listed the following persons as 
original incorporators : Robert Day, of 4422 Gregory Road, Decatur, 
Georgia; George Sligh, of 246 Wayne Avenue, Jonesboro, Georgia; 
William A. Daniel, Sr., Post Office Box 455, Mableton, Georgia; and 
M. Wesley Morgan, Sr., 27 Gould Street, Southeast, Atlanta 15, 
Georgia. 



2182 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

I show you this copy of this charter, Mr. Daniel, and ask you 
whether you are the person so named as one of the original incorpora- 
tors. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Robert Shelton Exhibit No. 2.") 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, would you describe for the committee the 
circumstances surrounding the incorporation of this organization? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, would you tell the committee approxi- 
mately how many members of the U.S. Klans changed membership 
to the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, 
at the time of this incorporation ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that approximately 95 to 97 percent of all 
former members of the U.S. Klans joined the United Klans, Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan, in the year 1961. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, prior to the time of the incorporation of 
the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, 
was there any animosity between the new Grand Dragon Calvin Craig 
and the widow of Eldon Edwards, who was the Imperial "Wizard of the 
U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mrs. Edwards accused Mr. Craig of misappropriating 
Klan property. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. ISIanuel. Mr. Daniel, did you attend the national klonvokation 
of the United Klans of America held on September 5 and 6, 1964, at 
the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel in Birmingham, Alabama ? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you did attend that klonvokation and that you were one 
of the members of the nominating committee for officers elected at 
that time. 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, the committee information is that at that 
klonvokation elected as Imperial Wizard was Robert Shelton ; elected 
as Imperial Klokard was Robert Collins; elected as Imperial Kludd 
was Reverend George Dorsett; elected as Imperial Kladd was Robert 
Hudgins; elected as Imperial Klarogo was Walter Brown ; and elected 
as Imperial Klexter was Robert Korman. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2183 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Daxiel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Daniel, committee investigation has revealed that 
on September 8 and 9 of 1964, a person by the name of Johnny Lee 
Burnette, of 2529 22d Street, Hueytown, Alabama, was furnished 
four electric blasting caps by an exalted cyclops from the area of 
Marietta, Georgia. "Were you the person who furnished these four 
electric blasting caps to Johnny Lee Burnette on September 8 and 
9,1964? 

Mr. Daniel. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from his 
subpena. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. i\£\NUEL. I Avould like to call at this time, Mr. Chairman, Mr. 
George Sligh. 

The Chairman. Will you raise your right hand, sir ? 

Do you solemnl}^ swear that the testimony you are about to give will 
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Sligh. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

TESTIMONY OF GEORGE D. SLIGH, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, will you please state your full name for the 
committee? 

Mr. Sligh. George Sligh. 

Mr. MLvnuel. Do you have a middle initial, sir ? 

Mr. Sligh. George D. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Sligh. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. ]\L^NUEL. Mr. Sligh, when and where were you born ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were born on January 26, 1902, in 
Paulding County, Georgia. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, where do you currently reside? 



2184 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Sligii. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you live at 246 Wayne Avenue, Jonesboro, 
Georgia. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, are you currently a member of a Ku Klux 
Klan organization ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you are currently a member of Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 located in Jonesboro, Georgia. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, how long have you been a member of 
various Ku Klux Klan organizations? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you have been a member of various Klan organiza- 
tions for over 30 years. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this time, I vrould like to state that 
the committee investigation of this witness has established that in the 
early 1940's and early 1950's Mr. Sligh was an active member of the 
Association of Georgia Klans, an organization which has been desig- 
nated by the Attorney General of the United States under Executive 
Order 10450 ; that during the period between 1955 and 1961 Mr. Sligh 
was an active member of the U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klu Klan, 
Inc. During his time in the U.S. Klans, Mr. Sligh served as a Klavern 
officer, as a State officer, and in 1960 was appointed a member of the 
Imperial Klokann Committee. 

He has attended numerous meetings of all types held by the U.S. 
Klans during the period 1955 to 1961. Wlien the United Klans of 
America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in 1961, Mr. 
Sligh changed his affiliation to this group and became Imperial Kla- 
rogo of the UKA in March 1961. In his capacity as an imperial officer 
he has attended numerous meetings in Georgia and other Southern 
States. 

In 1963, Mr. Sligh served as a delegate of the United Klans of 
America to a meeting of the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, 
Inc. 

During 1964, Mr. Sligh served as grand kludd of the Realm of 
Georgia, United Klans of America. At the present time he does not 
hold a State or imperial office, but is an active member of the Clayton 
Klavern No. 52 of the United Klans of America, located at Jones- 
boro, Georgia. 

Further, Mr. Sligh has acted as exalted cyclops on special degree 
teams which initiate Klan members into the United Klans of America. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2185 

Mr. Sli<;h, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to aiiirm or deny 
the fact, tliat results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Sligii. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, are you appearing before the committee 
this morning in response to a subpena served upon you on the 11th day 
of October 1965, at 2 p.m., by Wallace E. Camp, deputy U.S. marshal '^ 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, it is so stipulated. 

Mr. IManuel. Mr. Sligh, the subpena calls upon you to produce in 
paragraph 1 : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to 
the organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible 
Empire, United Klans. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also 
known as the United Klaus of America. Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and 
affiliated organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue 
Service, State Men's Club, Clayton County Klavern No. 52. Realm of Georgia. 
United Klans of America, Inc., also known as Clayton Civic Chib, Inc., in your 
possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as 
former Grand Kludd, Realm of Georgia and member Clayton County Klavern 
No. 52, Realm of Georgia, of the Invisible Empire, United Klaus, Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc.. also known as the United Klans of America, Inc.. 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

At this time, Mr. Sligh, I request that you produce the books, 
records, and so forth, as outlined in paragraph 1 of your subpena. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for the information is not relevant and gemiane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1,4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, we have made the folloAvirg stipu- 
lation in all previous instances: (1) That the witness has been fur- 
nished a copy of the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, 
and that he is familiar with its contents; (2) that the directions of 
the subpena to produce the documents called for are made to the wit- 
ness in the official representative capacity described in the subpena. 

Is that stipulation now agreed to ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Sligh, the committee does not accept your 
reasons for refusing to produce those documents. 

I will now order and direct you to do so. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls upon 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 



2186 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

as former Grand Kludd, member Clayton County Klavern #52, and Exalted 
Cyclops of the Degree Team for naturalization ceremonies of the United Klans 
of America, Inc. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and 
Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be maintained by you and 
any other officer of said organization, the same being in your i)ossession, custody 
or control. 



Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline 

Mr. Manuel. I now request that you produce those documents as 
outlined in paragraph 2 of your subpena. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Is the stipulation previously made agreed to? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Sligh, the committee does not accept your rea- 
sons for refusing to produce those documents and I now order and 
direct you to do so. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents hereto- 
fore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, have you ever received instruction from a 
person kno\^^l to you to be a member of the United Klans of America 
in demolition, judo, or karate? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that you have attended instructions in guerrilla war- 
fare, instructions on sabotage, instructions on the assembling of the 
M-1 carbine and .45 caliber automatic pistols, instructions on making 
Molotov cocktails and making small bombs and booby traps with 
dynamite. 

These instructions were given by members of the Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the instructors at these demonstrations Avere Charles 
Malcolm Bartlett and Daniel Bruce, Avho are members of the Clayton 
County Klaveni No. 52. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, have you ever participated as a Klansman 
in any acts of intimidation on persons, such as cross-burnings? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, have you ever purchased for members of 
your Klavern any tear gas pens ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you ever made the statement at a meeting of the 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52 that you had received $72 with 
which to buy such pens? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2187 

Mr. Sligii. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously ^iven. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sli^h, you have been identified as an exalted 
Cyclops of a naturalization team within the Realm of Georgia, United 
Klans of America. 

Would you please explain to the committee what your duties are as 
the exalted cyclops of that naturalization team ? 

jSIr. Sligii. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, did j^ou act as an exalted cyclops of a 
Klavern supposedly set up in Lithonia, Georgia, for a CBS news 
special on the activities of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Sligii. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you did appear and presented your- 
self as an exalted cyclops of a Klavern at Lithonia, Georgia, which, 
in fact, was not true. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manut:l. And during that program, you read what you called 
the Klan oath to people who were supposed to be new^ inductees into 
tlie Klan. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the real Klan oath was not read and the persons to whom you 
read this material were Klan members in the first place. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that on October 17, 1964, at the farm of Rob- 
ert L. Bing, who is the exalted cyclops of Clayton Klavern No. 52, 
you attended a demonstration with otlier members of the United 
Klans of America in which tactical problems and guerrilla warfare 
were given and also demonstrated were techniques in making Molotov 
cocktails, small bombs, and instructions in various weapons. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon tlie grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that on November 9, 1964, at a meeting of 
the Clayton County Klavern you Avere present when a military com- 
mittee was set up. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that this military committee set up within 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52 was set up principally by Charles 
Bartlett and Daniel Bruce, whom I have previously identified. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline .to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel, Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 
is also known as the Clayton Civic Club. 



2188 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, tliat you are one of the principal speakers at 
many public rallies held by the United Klans of America, Realm of 
Georgia. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr, Buchanan left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, with further reference to the CBS pro- 
gram which I have previously identified and in which you partici- 
pated, I would like to show you two photographs supplied to the com- 
mittee by the Columbia Broadcasting System, and ask you, sir, if 
you are the person show^n in those photographs. 

(Photographs handed to witness.) 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photographs marked "George Sligh Exhibit No. 1" appear on p. 
2189.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, have you attended meetings as a represent- 
ative of the United Klans of America to the National Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan, headed by Mr. James Venable? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. "Wlien was the last time, sir, that you attended such a 
meeting ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please explain to the committee the de- 
gree of cooperation that exists, if any, between the United Klans of 
America and the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Buchanan returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you have held the office of former special 
deputy sheriff in Clayton and Fulton Counties, Georgia. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you now, sir, a special deputy sheriff in Clayton 
and Fulton Counties ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Sligh, do you frequently carry firearms ? 

Mr, Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you have a pennit to cany such firearms? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

The Chairman. Mr. Weltner. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Sligh, a few weeks ago on the 19th day of Octo- 
ber, following the first day of hearings by this committee, there was 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



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2190 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

a denial by a gentleman who termed himself a member of the Clay- 
ton Civic Association in Jonesboro, Georgia, that that club or that 
organization was a Klan organization. 

I would like to know whether or not the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., 
is a Klan front or another name for a Klaveni of the United Klans of 
America. 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Well, do you know whether or not it is a Klan 
organization ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the groimds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Will you state that it is not a Klan organization? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. I, along with many other persons, saw the "CBS Re- 
ports" on the Ku Klux Klan that was broadcast, I think, on the 21st 
day of September of this year and a substantial portion of that report 
was comprised of an initiation ceremony. The principal figure in that 
ceremony was yourself. 

I would simply like to ask you, if you are willing to proceed for 
several minutes on a nationwide television program and to conduct a 
Klan ritual in full view of television cameras, knowing that it is going 
to be broadcast throughout the countiy, why it is that you will not re- 
spond to questions put to you by a committee of the Congi-ess of the 
United States? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. No further questions. 

Mr. Buchanan. Is your refusal to answer based in effect upon the 
fact that you are ashamed you are a Klansman ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. I am very interested in this matter of naturaliza- 
tion of people into the Klan. That sounds to me like you are bring- 
ing up some kmd of citizenship in a realm in which bosses like you 
apparently have such great loyalty to that empire and that realm 
that they will not cooperate with this committee of the Congress of 
the United States and apparently put that loyalty above their loyalty 
to this country. Is that true ? 

Mr. Sligh. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reasons previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. No further questions. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from his 
subpena. 

Call the next witness, Mr. Manuel. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call as the next wit- 
ness Mr. James Douglas Newberry. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, prior to the witness' attendance, in 
view of the question that has arisen as to whether or not the Clayton 
Civic Club, Inc., is a unit of the Ku Klux Klan, I would like to state 
that following the appearance of witnesses under subpena I would 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2191 

like to oli'er a copy of the corporate charter of that organization into 
the record at the appropriate time. (Introduced as Wesley Bailey 
Exhibit Xo. 1, in November 2, 1965, testimony. This exhibit will be 
reproduced in a foi-thcoming report on Klan organizations.) 

The CiiAiRMAx. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the Avhole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Newberry. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF JAMES DOUGLAS NEWBERRY, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. IManuel. Mr. Newberry, would you state your full name for 
the record, please ? 

Mr. Newberry. James Douglas Newberry. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, when and where were you born ? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully declme to 

The Chairman. Identify the counsel. 

Mr, New^berry. — to answer that question for the reason that I 
honestly feel that my answer might tend to incriminate me in viola- 
tion of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 
of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. IVLvNUEL. Mr. Newberry, are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Newberry. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would counsel please identify himself for the record ? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel, Mr. Newberry, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you were born on October 3, 1910, at 
Arlington, Georgia. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amenclments 5, 
1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, w^here do you currently reside? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you reside currently at 656 Mayland 
Avenue, Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, what is your current occupation ? 

Mr. Newberry, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you are currently self-employed in the 
heating business, located in Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answ^er that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, what is the address of your heating 
business ? 



2192 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to aflfirm or deny the fact, that your business is located at 629 Pearce 
Street, Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point, I would like to state 
that the committee investigation has established that Mr. Newberry 
is currently the grand klabee, or treasurer, of the Eealm of Georgia, 
United Klans of America, and that he also holds the position of 
klabee of the Nathan Bedford Forrest Klavern No. 1, also located in 
Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. Newberry, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affinn or 
deny, that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Newberry, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At tliis point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, are you appearing before the com- 
mittee today in response to a subpena served upon you at 5 :30 p.m. on 
the 11th day of October 1965, by Leonard Herndon, chief deputy 
marshal, Atlanta, Georgia? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. All right, proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, you are required under paragraph 1 
of your subpena to produce: 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service, 
State Men's Club, and Nathan Bedford Forrest Klavern #1, Realm of Georgia, 
in your iK)ssession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as 
Grand Klabee (treasurer) and Klabee, Nathan Bedford Forrest Klavern #1, 
Realm of Georgia, of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux 
Klan of America, Inc., also known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you now, sir, to produce those documents as requested and 
outlined in paragraph 1 of your subpena. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
any and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant or germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is such 
inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Reso- 
lution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 11, 
19^5, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

Mr. Chalmers. The same stipulation. Mr. Chairman. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2193 

The Chairman. I will read the stipulation: (1) That the witness 
has been furnished a copy of the chairman's opening statement of 
October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its contents; and (2) that 
the directions of the subpena to produce the documents called for are 
made to the witness in the official representative capacity described 
in the subpena. 

That stipulation is correct ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Newberry, the committee does not accept your 
reasons for refusing to produce those documents and I now order and 
direct you to do so. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls for 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your ix)s- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Grand Klabee, Realm of Georgia, and Klabee, Nathan Bedford Forrest Klavern 
# 1. Realm of Georgia of the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan. which the "Constitution and Laws" of said organization authorize 
and require to be maintained by you and any other officer of said organization, the 
same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I now request that you produce the books and records, and so forth, 
as outlined in paragraph 2 of your subpena. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation applies ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir ; as to paragraph 2. 

The Chairman. I order and direct you to produce these documents. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents here- 
tofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, paragraph 3 of your subpena requires 
you to produce: 

Copies of U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Service, Form 1120, 
"U.S. Corporation Income Tax Return," and other Federal Income Tax Returns, 
corporate or otherwise, for the fiscal or calendar years 1961 through .Tune 30, 1065, 
filed by you with the U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Senice, or in 
your possession, custody or control, as Grand Klabee, Realm of Georgia, and be- 
ing the Federal Income Tax returns for or of the organizations and affiliated orga- 
nizations named in item numbered ( 1 ) above. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. IVIanuel. I now request that you produce those documents, sir. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents 
heretofore requested based upon the groimds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation is made? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. I order and direct you to produce those documents, 
Mr. Newberry. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to produce the documents 
heretofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, paragraph 4 of your subpena requires 
you to produce: 

Copies of U.S. Treasury Department. Internal Revenue Service, Form 1040, 
"U.S. Individual Income Tax Return," for the calendar years 1958 through 



2194 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

1964, filed by you as an individual taxpayer with the U.S. Treasury Department. 
Internal Revenue Service. 

I now ask you to produce those documents. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to deliver the documents 
heretofore requested based upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Charman. Mr. Newberry, I do not order you to produce your 
indi^adual income tax returns because you have invoked the pri\'ileges 
of the fifth amendment. 

I order you to produce the others because they were held by you in 
your representative capacity, meaning that as to the other items 
ordered to be produced the committee does not accept the rea.sons for 
not producing them, and is of the opinion that you are subjecting your- 
self to a contempt citation. 

Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, the results of the committee investiga- 
tion establish that you were first elected to the position of grand klabee 
or treasurer of the Realm of Georgia on March 22, 1964. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the committee investigation is correct. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, the committee investigation has estab- 
lished that you have been reelected to that position at every State klon- 
vokation of the Realm of Georgia since that date, that is, March 1964, 
the last election being held in July of 1965 in the city of Savannah. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
you were last reelected to the position of grand klabee or treasurer in 
July 1965 at Savannah, Georgia. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, the committee investigation has estab- 
lished that also elected in July 1965 at Savannah were Calvin Craig, 
to the position of Grand Dragon ; Thomas Jenkins to the position of 
Grand Klaliff; John M. Parker to the position of grand kligi'app; 
Grady C. Little to the position of grand kladd; Jolm L. Brock to the 
position of grand klokard; Charles Malcolm Bartlett to the position 
of grand klarogo ; Cleveland Eugene Canup to the position of grand 
klexter ; J. D. Johnson to the position of grand kludd ; and David J. 
Mathis to the position of grand night-hawk. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, would you please explain to tlie com- 
mittee what your duties are as grand klabee or treasurer of the United 
Klans of America, Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that the Realm of Georgia maintains a bank 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2195 



account in the name of the State Men's Club at the First National Bank 
in Atlanta, Georgia, which is a cover name for the account of the Realm 
of Georgia, United Klans of America. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, in accordance with a subpena served 
on the First National Bank of Atlanta, Georgia, I will now show^ you 
a copy of a signature card made out in the name of the "State Mens 
Club" giving the address of 629 Pearce Street, S.W., Atlanta 10, Geor- 
gia, made out on the 15th day of August 1961, and the authorized 
signatures appearing thereon are C. F. Craig, president, and Jim 
Newberry, treasurer. 

I show you this copy of this signature card and ask you if you are 
the Jim Newberry who has signed that signature card. 

( Document handed to witness. ) 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

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Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that C. F. Craig mentioned hereon is the Grand Dragon of 
the Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. MLvNUEL. Mr. Newberry, as treasurer of the Realm of Georgia, 
do you know how tax is collected from the various Klavems for the 
Realm of Georgia ? 

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2196 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the groimds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that Klaverns make checks payable directly 
to Mr. Calvin F. Craig for taxes or dues. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, to your certain knowledge, does Mr. 
Craig deposit all of those checks in the account of the State Men's 
Club? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously st ated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, as treasurer of the Realm of Georgia, 
would you please explain to the committee if the Realm of Georgia 
incurs a tax liability by collecting dues from members in the Realm 
of Georgia ? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. NewbeiTy, do you report your income — does the 
realm report its income from dues and revenues taken up at rallies to 
the Internal Revenue Service ? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Manuel. Mr. Newberry, as treasurer of the Realm of Georgia, 
would you please explain to the committee how the Realm of Georgia 
reports its income to the imperial office and to the Imperial Wizard, 
Robert Shelton? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectf idly decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. To your direct knowledge as treasurer of the Realm of 
Georgia, does Mr. Shelton report as income that amount of money 
taken in, in the Realm of Georgia? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, on what looks like 4-1-65, from the 
account of the State Men's Club, a check was made out to cash for the 
amount of $1,642.11, signed by "C. F. Craig" and "Jim NewbeiTy," 
endorsed on the reverse side by "J. D. Newberry." 

I show you this check and ask you if you are the Jim Newberry who 
signed that check. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "James Newberry Exhibit No. 2" appears on p. 
2197.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Newberry, the committee has also subpenaed 
from the First National Bank copies of your personal account, and 
I note, and I will show you, that the statement of that bank as of 
4-21-65 shows that you deposited to your personal account a check 
in the amount of $1,642.11, the same as the amount that I showed 
you from the State Men's Club. 

Now, Mr. Newberry, I ask you if you deposited money to your 
personal account which was taken from the account of tlie State Men's 



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the Realm of Georgia for the United Klans of America. 

(Document handed to Avitness.) 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds i^reviously stated. 

(Document marked "James Newberry Exhibit No. 3" follows:) 



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Mr. Manuel. Now, Mr. Newberry, for what purpose was this 
$1,642.11 withdrawn from the account of the State Men's Ckib? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Does the Grand Dragon, Calvin F. Craig, have 
knowledge that you deposited this money in your personal account? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Does the general membership of the Realm of 
Georgia know that you deposited this money to your personal 
account ? 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

The Chairman. Mr. Weltner? 

Mr. Weltner. I Avould like to ask the witness whether or not the 
deposit of $1,642.11 to his personal account on the 21st day of April 
1965 was the check drawn April 1, 1965, on the State Men's Club 
account at the First National Bank of Georgia for that same amount 
and countersigned by C. F. Craig and himself. 

Mr. Newberry. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. No further questions. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from his 
subpena. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2199 

Mr. Newberry. Thank you, sir. 

The Chairman. The committee will stand in recess until 2 o'clock. 

(Subcommittee members i)resent at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

(Whereupon, at 11 :55 a.m., Monday, November 1, 1965, the sub- 
committee recessed, to reconvene at 2 p.m. the same day.) 

AFTERNOON SESSION— MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1965 

(The subcommittee reconvened at 2:15 p.m., Hon. Edwin E. Willis, 
chairman, presiding.) 

(Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Pool, 
Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

The Chairman. Please call the next witness. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this time the staff would like to call 
John M. Parker. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Parker. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed, Mr. Manuel. 

TESTIMONY OF JOHN MILTON PAKKER, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel, Mr. Parker, would you please state your full name 
for the record ? 

Mr. Parker. John Milton Parker. 

Mr. IVIanuel. Again, sir? 

Mr. Parker. John Milton Parker. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Parker. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself for the record ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, when and where were you born ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 1, 5, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the ITnited States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you Avere born on the 7th day of March 
1940 in Marshall County, Alabama. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, where do you reside ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 



2200 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you reside at 162 Prospect Street, in 
Roswell, Georgia. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to ans^ver that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, where are you employed ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that (question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you are currently employed as a mixer by the Precision 
Paint Corporation, 5275 Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, in Chamblee, 
Georgia. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, are you a member of a Ku Klux Klan 
organization ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point, I would like to read into 
the record that the committee investigation shows that Mr. Parker 
has held the following positions in the United Klans of America : 

He has held the position of kligrapp, or secretary, of the Fiery 
Cross Klavern No. 113 during 1960 and 1961; he has been assistant 
State kligrapp, or secretary, of the United Klans of America during 
1962; he has been a member of the State security patrol of the Eealm 
of Georgia, United Klans of America, and in that organization he is 
commissioned as a second lieutenant, and that happened in 1963; he 
has held the position of klabee, or treasurer, of Province 10 of the 
Realm of Georgia, United Klans of America, during 1963; and he is 
the realm kligrapp and elected to that position during the latter part 
of 1964. 

Mr. Parker, I ask you now whether the results of the committee 
investigation are correct. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, are you appearing before the committee 
today in response to a subpena served upon you at 5275 Peachtree 
Industrial Boulevard, Atlanta, Georgia, at 12:30 p.m. on the 11th day 
of October 1965, by Deputy Marshal Davis ? 

Mr. Chalmers. I will stipulate, Mr. Chairman, he is here as a result 
of the subpena served upon him. 

The Chairman. And that the recitation 

Mr. Chalmers. And that the retvu'n thereon speaks for itself; yes, 
sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, paragraph 1 of that subpena requires you 
to produce: 

All books, records, docuuients, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire 
United Klans. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
the Unit«l Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service, 
State Men's Club, and Fier.v Cross Klavern #113, Realm of Georgia, in your 
possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as Grand 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2201 

Kligrapp (Secretary), Realm of Georgia and Kligrapp Fiery Cross Klavern 
#118. Realm of Georgia of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan of America. Inc., also known as the Unitetl Klans of America 
Inc., Knights of the Kn Klux Klan. 

I ask yoii now, Mr. Parker, to produce those items listed in para- 
graph 1 of 3'our subpena. 

(Witness confers with counseh) 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolu- 
tion 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

The CiiAiRMAX. We have heretofore entered into the following stip- 
ulation with respect to other witnesses whom you represent, Mr. 
Chalmers: (1) That the witness has been furnished a copy of the 
chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is famil- 
iar with its contents; (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce 
the documents called for are made to the Avitness in the official rep- 
resentative capacity described in the subpena. 

I take it this stipulation applies here ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It applies to this Avitness, yes, sir; and it is so 
stipulated. 

The Chairmax. Mr. Parker, the committee does not accept your 
reasons for refusing to ]>roduce documents mentioned, and I noAv order 
and direct you to do so. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, paragraph 2 of your subpena requires 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Grand Kligrapp, Realm of Georgia and Kligrapp. Fiery Cross Klavern #113, 
Realm of Georgia of the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux 
Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said organization authorize and 
require to be maintained by you and any other officer of said organization, the 
same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I now ask you, sir, to produce those documents as outlined in para- 
graph 2 of your subpena. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demandecl and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Chalmers. Our same stipulation with respect to paragraph 2, 
Mr. Chairman. 



2202 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chairman. That is entered into ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Parker, for reasons previously stated, I now 
order and direct you to produce those documents. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. M.VNUEL. Mr. Parker, paragraph o of your subpena requires you 
to produce : 

Copies of I'.S. Treasury Departuieiit, Internal Revenue Service. Form 1120, 
"U.S. Corporation Income Tax Return," and other Federal Income Tax Returns, 
corporate or otherwise, for the fiscal or calendar years 1961 through June 30, 
1965. tiled by you with the U.S. Treasury Department. Internal Revenue Service, 
or in your i>ossession, custody, or control, as Grand Kligrapj), Realm of Georgia, 
and being the Federal Income Tax returns for or of the organizations and 
affiliated organizations named in item nimibered (1) above. 

I now ask you to produce the documents called for in paragraph 3, 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. The same stipulation, Mr. Chairman, with respect 
to ])aragraph 3. 

The Chairman. I order and direct you to produce those documents. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to produce the documents de- 
manded and requested by the committee based upon the grounds 
previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Paragraph 4 of your subpena requires you to produce : 

Copies of U.S. Treasury Department, Internal Revenue Service, Fonn 1040, 
"U.S. Individual Income Tax Return," for the calendar years 19.j8 through 1964. 
tiled by you as an individual taxpayer with the U.S. Treasury Department, In- 
ternal Revenue Service. 

I now ask you to produce those documents. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, the committee has information that you 
■^^ere reelected grand kligrap]) of the Realm of Georgia in July 196.5 
at Savannah, Georgia. Are the results of the committee investigation 
correct? 

Mr. Parker. I resi^ectfull}' decline to answer that question for tlie 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of" America. 

Mr. Manuel. The committee inve.stigation ^hows that also elected 
at that election in Savannah in July 1965 were Calvin F. Craig, to 
the position of Grand Dragon; Thomas Jenkins to the position of 
Grand Klaliff ; James Douglas Newberry to the position of gi-and 
klabee; Grady C. Little to the position of grand kladd : John L. Brock 
to the position of grand klokard; Charles Malcolm Partlett to the 
position of grand klarogo; Cleveland Eugene Canup to the position 
of grand klexter; J. D. Johnson to the position of grand kludd: and 
David J. Mathis to the position of grand night-hawk. 

Are the results of the committee investigation correct? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2203 

Mr. Parker. 1 respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon tlie <jix)unds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mv. Parker, would you please tell the committee what 
your duties are as grand klig-rapp of the Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, I would like to show you a copy of an 
application for citizenship in the Invisible Empire, Knig'hts of the 
Ku Klux Klan, for the United Klans of America. 

I ask you to examine both sides of this document and tell the com- 
mittee whether you come into possession of each and every application 
that is submitted to the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, 
in your capacity as grand kligrapp or secretary. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Richard Constantineau Exhibit 
No. 3.") 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, the information contained on the reverse 
side of this application calls for the prospective candidate for citizen- 
s'hip in the Invisible Empire to fill out certain questions. He is to 
give three references, and list their addresses. He must list his occu- 
pation and he must tell by whom he is employed. 

He must give his age, his weight, his height, and then the informa- 
tion contained on the reverse side states: "This applicant was elected 
to membership in this Order by: Klan No. (blank). Realm of 
(blank),'' dated (blank) and "This applicant was duly naturalized 
by same," and the date is to be filled in. 

The following statement is recorded : 

"I certify tlie above to be correct, Signed (blank) Kligrapp," and 
then the Klan unit. 

Mr. Parker, I ask you again, as grand kligrapp of the State of 
Georgia, do you fill out the bottom half of the application for citizen- 
ship in the United Klans on behalf of the Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, as kligrapp or secretary of the Realm of 
Georgia, could you tell the committee what investigation the State 
officers conduct when considering an applicant for membership in the 
Invisible Empire ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Is any investigation whatsoever conducted concerning 
the applicant's background with emphasis on any possible criminal 
i-ecord or any past act of violence ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, the committee investigation shows that 
you have held the office of grand kligrapp for the Realm of Georgia 
since March 1964. Who preceded you in that office, sir ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2204 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that one Tom Gentry preceded you as the grand kligrapp of 
the Reahii of Georgia. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, are you currently a member of the State 
security patrol of the Realm of Georgia, United Klans of America, and 
do you hold the commission of second lieutenant in that security 
patrol ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. As a member of the security patrol of the United 
Klans of America, would you please explain to the committee what 
your functions or duties are? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do members of the security patrol of the United 
Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, carry weapons in carrying out 
their assigned functions ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, under what State official does the security 
patrol of the Realm of Georgia take its orders and receive its assign- 
ments ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you are currently the kligrapp or secre- 
tary of the Fiery Cross Klavern No. 113. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please tell the committee who is the ex- 
alted Cyclops of that Klavern ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fac:t, that the exalted cyclops of your Klavern, Fiery Cross No. 
113, which operates out of the area of Doraville, Georgia, in De Kalb 
County, is Grady Calvin Little, Sr. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manitel. Mr. Parker, did you, as a Klansman, attend the Im- 
perial Klonvokation of the United Klans of America held in Septem- 
ber 1964 at the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel, in Birmingham, Alabama? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer tliat question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I would like to sliow you, sir, a copy of the records of 
the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel which states that JohnM. Parker, of 162 
Prospect Street, Roswell, Georgia, occupied Room 1032 for tlie dates 
of September 4, 5, and 6, 1964, and I ask you if you are the John M. 
Parker who was in attendance. 

(Document handed to witness.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2205 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer tlial question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "John Parker Exhibit Xo. 1" follows:) 

John Parker Exhibit No. 1 
1«32 PARKER JOHN M 5-2C 65835 

H 65835 

F-r? 9-; RO SWEL L GA 

PLEASe CHECK YOUR BAGGAGE OR SEND SAME TO YOUR ROOM : OTHERWISE THE HOTEL COMPANY WILL 

NOT BE RESPONSIBLEFOR LOSS 



Diakl^f-tutwiler 

DIRECTION 

DINKLER HOTEL CORPORATION 

"Dispensers op True Southern Hospitalitv 



GUESTS ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT THE COMPANY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR VALUABLES. MONEY. 
JEWELRY. CLOTHING ETC. UNLESS THE SAME ARE DEPOSITED IN SAFE 



_ii m. (9'-^^^^ 



p 

Name ___^ 

Street ':^ J ^ /> .^^---^^ j^City fP ^^ -J..- -^ C-^V State ..^-^^-^^ 
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Mr. ]VL\NUEL. Mr. Parker, the committee invest i<rat ion reveals that 
during that time, that is, September 5 and 6, 1964, the following per- 
sons were elected to hold imperial offices in the United Klans of 
America : 

Robert Shelton, the Imperial Wizard; Robert Collins, the Klokard; 
Reverend George Dorsett, the Kludd; Robert Hudgins, the Kladd; 
Walter Brown, the Klarogo; and Robert Korman, the Klexter. 

Mr. Parker, is the result of the committee investigation correct ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parker, as grand kligrapp or secretary of the 
Realm of Georgia for the United Klans of America, would you tell 
the committee whether you have direct knowledge of a karate and judo 
and explosion-demolition instruction being given by Clayton Klavern 
No. 52, located in Jonesboro, Georgfia ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you, as a member of the security patrol, or as a 
State officer of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, at- 
tended any such classes ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 



2206 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff lias no furtlier questions of 
this witness. 

The Chairman. Mr. Weltner. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Parker, I notice you live in the city of Roswell, 
Georgia, in Fulton County. The result of the investigation of this 
committee is that you hold the office of kilgrapp or secretary of the 
Fiery Cross Klavem No. 113. That Klavern meets in the city of Dora- 
ville, Georgia ; doesn't it ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Doraville is in DeKalb County; is it not? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. I wonder, Mr. Parker, if you are also affiliated in 
any way with the Cherokee Klavern No. 92, wliich meets in Roswell, 
Georgia. 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Do you know the name of the Georgia cyclops of 
the Cherokee Klavem No. 92 ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. As a result of our investigation, we found that some- 
time during the year 1965 the exalted cyclops of that chapter in Roswell 
was a man named Hennan Wilson. Can you tell us whether or not he 
is ^till the exalted cyclops of the Cherokee Klavem No. 92 in Roswell, 
Georgia ? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. No further questions. 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Parker, as a citizen of the United States, it 
seems to me to be your clear duty to cooperate with this committee of 
the Congress to give whatever testimony and whatever records are in 
your power. You have a constitutional right to plead the fifth amend- 
ment in refusing to answer these questions if you feel they may tend 
to incriminate you, but given your total noncooperation with this 
committee, I want to ask you, sir, if as a citizen of this Invisible 
Empire your loyalty to that empire of the Ku Klux Klan is greater 
than your loyalty to the United States? 

Mr. Parker. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. That is all. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from liis 
subpena. 

Mr. Chalmers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. The committee will stand in recess for 2 minutes. 

(Whereupon, at 2:40 p.m., the subcommittee recessed and recon- 
vened at 2 :47 p.m., with the following members present at time of recess 
and when hearings resumed: Representatives Willis, Pool, Weltner, 
and Buchanan.) 

The Chairman. The hearing will resume. 

Call your next witness. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2207 

Mr. Manufx. I would like to call at this time, Mr. Chairman, Grady 
C. Little. 

The CiiAiRMAX. Please raise your ri^ht hand. 

You do solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give will be 
tlie truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 

Mr. Little. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

TESTIMONY OF GRADY CALVIN LITTLE, SR., ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, would you state your full name for the 
record, please ? 

Mr. Little. Grady Calvin Little, Sr. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you represented by counsel, sir? 

Mr. Little. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Will comisel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, where and when were your born, sir ? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the L^nited States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were born on the 9th day of April 
1918 in Cobb County, Georgia. 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, where do you currently reside? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that you currently reside at 4918 Glaze Drive, 
Doraville, Georgia. 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, where are you currently employed ? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you are currently employed as a foreman by the 
Precision Paint Company in Chamblee, Georgia. 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question iqwn the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, are you currently a member of a Ku Klux 
Klan organization ? 

Mr. Little. I respectfidly decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point, I would like to state for 
the record that the committee investigation shows that in July 1959 
Mr. Little organized 



2208 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Pool. Are you statino; this as a fact ? 

Mr. Manuel. Yes, sir. I am stating it for the record. 

Mr, Pool. But you didn't state it as a fact. 

Mr. Manuel. As a fact, the committee investigation reveals that 
Mr. Little organized a Klavern of the U.S. Klans, Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan, Inc., in the Cliamblee, Doraville, Georgia, area. This 
Klavern, which was known as the Fiery Cross Klavern No. 113, was 
headed by Mr. Little during the period 1959 to 1961. 

In 1960, he was appointed a titan of Province No. 10 of the U.S. 
Klaus, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc., and in the same year he was 
appointed a member of a statewide public relations committee for that 
organization. 

During the period 1959 to 1961, Mr. Little, our investigation shows, 
was active in the U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc., and 
was in attendance at numerous meetings, cross-burnings, motorcades, 
and other Klan activities. 

Mr. Little, I would like to ask you now at this point whether so far 
what I have recited of the committee investigation results is correct? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel, I would like to state again for the record that our 
investigation further shows as a fact that when the United Klans of 
America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in February 
of 1961, Mr. Little brought his Klavern into this organization and 
continued to serve as exalted cyclops of Fiery Cross Klaveni No. 113 
of the United Klans of America. 

In 1962, he was appointed a titan of the United Klans of America 
for Province 10. In 1964, he was elected grand kladd of the Realm 
of Georgia, United Klans of America, and was reelected to serve in 
this same position in 1965. 

As a member of the State board of the Realm of Georji"ia, United 
Klans of America, Mr. Little has attended numerous State board 
meetinos at which policy was formulated for the Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Little has also been active in organizing new KlaA-erns for the 
United Klans of America and has been instrumental in setting up 
at least three additional Klaverns in addition to Fiery Cross No. 113. 

Mr. Little, I will ask you at this point whether the results of the 
committee investigation concerning your Klan background and activi- 
ties are correct ? 

Mr. Litti.e. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, are you before the committee today in 
response to a subpena served upon you on the 11th day of October 
1965, at 12:36 i).m., at 5275 Peachtree Industrial Boulevard, Atlanta, 
Georgia, by Deputy Marshal Davis ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, it is stipulated he is here as a result 
of that subpena, and that the return thereon speaks for itself. 

The Chairman. By that you mean you accept the validity of the 
marshal's return ? 

Mr. CiiALiMERs. Yes, sir. 

May I approach the bench for a moment? 

The Chairman. Yes. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2209 

(Discussion off the record.) 
The Chairman. Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, paragraph 1 of that subpena requires you 
t o produce: 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to 
the organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible 
Empire. Ignited Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also 
known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and 
affiliated organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue 
Service, State Men's Club, Province # 10, Realm (State) of Georgia, and Fiery 
Cross Klavern # 113, Realm of Georgia, in your possession, custody or control, 
or maintained by you or available to you as Grand Kladd. Titan Province 10, 
and Exalted Cyclops, Fiery Cross Klavern # 113. Realm of Georgia, of the 
Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., 
also known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you now, sir, to produce those documents. 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under the subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of- America. 

Mr. Chalmers. Our same stipulation, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, I will repeat the stipulation that 
we have consistently made with reference to other witnesses : ( 1 ) That 
the witness has been furnished a copy of the chairman's opening state- 
ment of October 19, 1965, that he is familiar with its contents ; (2) that 
the directions of the subpena to produce the documents called for are 
made to the witness in the official representative capacity described 
in the subpena. 

Is that tlie stipulation that is applicable here? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Little, the committee does not accept the 
grounds upon which you refuse to produce those documents, and I non- 
order and direct you to produce them because it is the opinion of the 
committee that your failure to do so can subject you to contempt 
citation. 

Mr. Li'iTLE. I respectfully 

Tlie Chairman. Therefore, I order and direct you to produce those 
documents. 

Mr. Little. I res])ectfully decline to deliver the documents de- 
manded and ordered by the committee based upon the grounds previ- 
ously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls for 
you to produce: 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 



2210 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAX IN THE U.S. 

as Grand Kladd, Titau Province 10, and Exalted Cyclops, Fiery Cross Klavern 
# 113, Realm of Georgia, of the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitntion and Laws" of .said organization authorize 
and require to be maintained by yon and any other officer of said organization, 
the same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I ask you now, sir, to produce the documents as called for in para- 
graph 2. 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. Our same stipulation Avith respect to paragraph 
2, sir. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation will apply. 

I order and direct you to produce those documents, Mr. Little! 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, I would like to show you a document 
headed "United Klans of America, Inc., P.O. Box 10753, Atlanta 10, 
Ga.,*' and dated March 30, 1964. 

The document is from Calvin F. Craig, Grand Dragon, Realm of 
Georgia, which he sent to persons addressed as "Esteemed Klans- 
people," and in which he identifies the persons elected to offices in the 
Realm of Georgia as of March 1964. 

In this document it is revealed that Calvin F. Craig was elected the 
Grand Dragon; Tom Gentry was was elected the grand kligrapp; 
James Douglas Newberry was elected the grand klabee ; A. R. Collins 
was elected grand klarogo ; Thomas Jenkins was elected Grand Kaliff ; 
J. D. Johnson was elected the grand klokard ; Grady C. Little elected 
the grand kladd ; George D. Sligh elected grand kludd ; A. M. Davis 
elected grand klexter ; W. L. Brogdon elected the grand night-hawk. 

Mr. Little, I show you this document and ask you if this is a copy of 
the document which was sent from the office of Calvin F. Craig, Grand 
Dragon, Realm of Georgia. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I lionestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

(Document marked "Grady Little Exhibit No. 1" appears on p. 
2211.) 

Mr. Manuel. Are the persons identified by Mr. Craig as having 
been elected to the respective offices — are these identifications correct, 
sir? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Little, the committee investigation has shown 
that the last election for State officers in the Realm of Georgia UKA 
was held at Savannah, Georgia, in July of 1965. The results of that 
election were that Calvin F. Craig remained Grand Dragon, or was re- 
elected to the position of Grand Dragon; Thomas Jenkins was re- 
elected to the position of Grand Klaliff ; John M. Parker was elected 
to the position of grand kligrapp; James Douglas Newberry was 
reelected as grand klabee ; Grady C. Little, yourself, was reelected to 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2211 

Grady Little Exhibit No. 1 

UNIISD lOAlB OP AMSRIO^. X10.« P.OJtoJC ia7S3# 
KNIOirm OP THE ICU KLUX KXAI Atlanta I0« »«• 
Maroh 30, VH>k 
B8te«mod Klanspaoplet 

WS WAOT ALL OP THB MEMBBRSRIP TO KROW 1BAT WB EAD 
THE BEST STATE KLONVOKATION THAT 5VSR HAS BEEK HBID IK MODSRH 
TIMES - THE BANQUET WAS A 100% SUCCESS - THB MBBTINa ITSE IP 
WAS A lOOJlSaCCSSS - AND THE RALLY ON AMBRICAKISM A T HUR T PARK 
ON SUNDAY MARCH 22nd DREW MORE PEOPLE THAN MARTIN LUTHER KIIO'S 
MEETING SOME MOlfTHS PAST. 

I WAS HIGHLY HONORED BY BBINO CHOSEN YOUR QRAHD 
DRAGON FOR ANOTHER TERM WITHOUT OPPOSITION AND I INTEND TO 
PROVE WORTHY OP THIS HIGH AND NOBLE SELECTION BY MAKING THIS, 
WITH YOUR HEIi>. OME OP THE MOST ACTI'/E AND WQRTHMHILE OF ALL 

n 0^ KLANSMANSHIP. WE HAVE GOT A PIOHT ON OUR HANDS 



OP THE YEAI_ .- 

AND NEARLY ALL UPHILL. WE WILL. WITH U. S. SEN(lTOR RUSSBLL»S 
DEDICATION TO OUR WAY OF LIFE. PLUS PUBLIC OPINION. WHICH IS 
SLOWLY BUT SURELY TURNING TO THE RIGffT WAY CP THINKINO AND WITH 
GOD»S HELP. WIN IN THIS GLORIOUS FIGHT POR SEGREGATION AND 
CHRISTIANITY. 

OH GOD GIVE US SERENITY TO ACCEPT WHAT CANNOT BE 
CHAIGZD, COURAGE TO CHANGE WHAT SHOULD BE CHANCED AND WISDOM 
TO II-TINGUI3H THE ONE PROM THE OTHER. 

'^^T THIS MEANS KLANSPEOPLE IS THAT GOD GAVE US 
SaiGATI'N AND CHRISTIANITY AND THAT NO MATTER HCW HARD THB 
C0,^.T-FI2T2 '!'RY TO DESTROY BOTH WE MUST STRIVE ALL THE HARDER 
TO IFJSS^.RVB OUTl AMERICAN WAY OP LIFE. WB MSOOIJ) AS MANY __ 
RALJ-]'^;S A3 POSiilBLE THIS YEAR AND HAVE ACTIVITIES TO BDUCATB THB 
PiiBLIC. I« 0«DSR TO DO SO '4B MUST HAVE THB USE OP PROPERTY BOTH 
I»rjC<fC AND OUTDOORS, PREPERABLY ON SATURDAYS. WB MOST HAVE PROM 
T'fRIE TJ rOUR WEEKS* NOTICE AS TO WHEN WB CAN OBTAIN THE USE OP 
SAID rRCPERTY AND THE EXACT LOCATION - HOW TO GET TO IT - SO 
W2 (Ar4 NOTIFY THB MEMBERSHIP THRU THE BULLETINS. 

WE MUST AI£0 SUPPORT THE HON, RICHARD B. RUSSEIL, 
U. i.. SENATOR OF GEORGIA AND AS A SUGGESTION THE KLIGRAPP COUID 
P^TRCHASE POSTAL CARDS AND GET THE MEMBERSHIP TO WRITE SOMETKIJC- 
P'AIN AND SIMPLE THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS BILL . 
A'D SUPPORT HIM 100% IN HIS STAND. kIBO TELL THEM HOW URGENT 
IT IS FOR ALL OF THEM TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND ALL THAT HAVE 
NOT REGISTERED TO DO SO AT ONCE. IN CONCLUSION I AM LISTING 
BELaJ THE GRAND OFFICERS OF THE STATE BOARD AND THEIR ADDRESSES: 

GRAND DRAGON CALVIN P. CRAIG, 772 PEARCB ST. ,SW ATLANTA 10 

GRAND KLIGRAPP- --TOM GENTRY, 8^5 OAKHILL AVE. ,SW ATLANTA 10 

C-RAND KLABKE J. D_. NEWBERRY, 656 MAYLAND AVB.,SW ATLANTA 10 

GRAND KLOROGO A.R.Bob COLLINS, 1814-6 BOULDERVIEW DR SB ATIANTA 

GRArJD KLALIFP THOMAS JENKINS, 27U1; ROCKBRIDGE RD.,LITHONIA 

GRAND KLOKARD J.D.JOHNSON, RT.2,BQK 223-D LILBURN 

GRAND KIADD -GRADY C, LITTLE, Ii9l8 GLAZE DR. ,DOhAVILLfi 

GRAND KLUDD -GEO, D. SLIOH, 2kt WAYNE AVB., JONESBORO 

GRAND .KLEXT^'^R A. M. DAVIS, P.O. BOX 32, JACKSON (and) 

GRAND NIC}.r liA.WK-W, L. BROODON, l^l; MARK AVE., MARIETTA, GA. 

Slnoerelj* 

I T S U B 
Yours for GOD and COUNTRY, 

Calvin P. Craig, 
CFC/TG-onols. Grand Dragon • R«alB of Gaorgla. 

59-222 O — 67 — pt. 2 IV 



2212 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

the position of grand kladd; John L. Brock was elected to the position 
of grand klokard ; Charles Malcohn Bartlett was elected to the position 
of grand klarogo ; Cleveland Eugene Caniip was elected to the position 
of grand klexter; J. D. Johnson was elected to the position of grand 
kUidd; and David Jack Mathis was elected to the position of grand 
night-hawk. 

Mr. Little, I would like to ask you now if the results of the commit- 
tee investigation as to the current officers of the Realm of Georgia, 
United Klans of America, are correct. 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gi'ounds previously stated. 

Mr, ]\LvNUEL. Mr. Little, committee information is that you have 
been active in organizing new Klaverns of the United Klans of 
America. I would like to ask you if you have received any money as 
an organizer for the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
ujx>n the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. What new Klaverns have you organized for the Realm 
of Georgia, L%ited Klans of America ? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. JSL^nuel. Mr. Little, have you participated in any acts of in- 
timidation against any persons? Have you participated in any acts 
such as cross-burnings or other acts of intimidation against any per- 
sons whatsoever? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you, as a Klansman, attended any classes at 
which karate, judo, and demolitions training were taught ? 

Mr. Little. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manltbl. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this Avitness. 

The Chairman. Are there questions from the committee? 

If not, the witness is excused and released from his subpena. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this time the staff would like to call 
to the stand Mr. John L. Brock, Jr. 

The Chairman. Raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will 
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Brock. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF JOHN L. BROCK, JR., ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, would you state your full name for the 
record, please? 
Mr. Brock. John L Brock. 
The Chairman. Junior? 
Mr. Brock. Yes, sir. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2213 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Brociv. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. "Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, where and when were you born, sir? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to af- 
firm or deny the fact, that you were bom on August 10, 1925, at Rome, 
Georgia. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, where do you currently reside ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon thegrounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you reside at 3235 Canary Court, in Decatur, 
Georgia. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. What was that address again ? 

Mr. Manuel. 3235 Canary Court, Decatur, Georgia. 

Mr. Brock, where are you employed, sir? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you are employed as a driver for the Complete Auto 
Transit Company in Doraville, Georgia. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, do you currently hold a position in the 
United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the committee investigation has shown, 
as a fact, that Mr. Brock is currently the grand klokard of the Realm 
of Georgia, United Klans of America, having been elected to this 
position at a State klonvokation held during December of 1964, and 
he was reelected to that position in July of 1965 at a State klonvoka- 
tion held in Savannah, Georgia. 

Mr. Brock, is the result of the committee's investigation with re- 
spect to your present office in the United Klans of America correct, 
sir? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, are you appearing here today in response 
to a subpena served upon you at 2 p.m. on the 14th day of October 
1965 by Deputy U.S. Marshal Camp ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated, Mr. Chairman. 



2214 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, paragrapli 1 of your subpena requires you 
f o produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated or- 
ganizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service, State 
Men's Club, and Confederate Klavern #2, Realm of Georgia, in your possession, 
custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as Grand Klokard, 
Realm of Georgia and member of Confederate Klavern #2, Realm of Georgia, of 
the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, 
Inc., also known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux 
Klan. 

I ask you now, Mr. Brock, to produce those documents as called for 
in paragraph 1. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 
October 14, 1965, for the information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is such 
inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be mvestigated by Rule 
XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by the House Resoluton 
8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 14, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amend- 
ments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of 
America. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, with respect to other witnesses, we 
made the following stipulation: (1) That the witness has been fur- 
nished a copy of the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, 
and that he is familiar with its contents; (2) that the directions of the 
subpena to produce the documents called for are made to the witness 
in the representative capacity described in the subpena. 

This stipulation, I take it, applies to this witness? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Brock, the committee does not accept the 
grounds you urge as a basis for refusing to produce the documents 
mentioned. 

I will therefore order and direct you to do so. 

Mr. Brock, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the comimttee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls for 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Grand Klokard, Realm of Georgia, of the United Klans of America, Inc., 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said orga- 
nization authorize and require to be maintained by you and any other officer of 
said organization, the same being in your possession, custody or control. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2215 

I now ask you to produce the documents as called for in paragraph 
2 of your subpena. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the comimttee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chal:meks. Our same stipulation with respect to paragraph 2, 
Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Thank you, sir. 

For reasons previously indicated, I order and direct you to produce 
those documents. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the comimttee based upon the 
gromids previously stated. 

Mr. ]\LvNUEL. Mr. Brock, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you first became a member of the Con- 
federate Klavern No. 2 of the United Klans of America, Inc., in 
February 1962. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. MDvNUEL. Mr. Brock, I would like to now show yon a copy of 
a charter issued by the Office of Secretary of State of State of Georgia 
for an organization known as NACIREMA, INC. That is "Ameri- 
can" spelled backwards. 

I note on this charter that the original incorporators were C. J. 
Newborn, Box 38, Mableton, Georgia ; Tom Gentry, Box 38, Mableton, 
Georgia; and R. H. Wynn, Box 38, Mableton, Georgia. 

I hand you a copy of this charter, sir, and ask you if you were ever 
a member of an organization known as NACIREMA, INC. ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "John Brock Exliibit No. 1" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, did you know Clyde Newborn, Tom Gen- 
try, and R. H. Wynn to be members of any Ku Klux Klan organiza- 
tion? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. IVIanuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you knew Tom Gentry, listed hereon, as a member 
and an officer of the United Klans of America during the year 1964. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. ]\L\nuel. Mr. Brock, would you explain to the committee ex- 
actly what the organization NACIREMA is? 

Mr. Brock. I respectively decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point I would like to read into 
the record that the committee investigation has established that as of 
July 25, 1961, it was known that this organization, NACIREMA, was 
composed almost entirely of present and former Klansmen who joined 



2216 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

NACIREMA to get more violent action. Two leaders of this organi- 
zation, who are William Anderson and "William Crowe, conducted an 
explosive school at which instructions were given in the assembling and 
detonation of explosives and incendiary devices with the use of easy 
to obtain material. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, I will ask you. Is the result of the com- 
mittee's investigation in that regard correct? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you also know Mr. William Anderson and Mr. 
William Crowe to be members of the United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Is the organization NACIREMA currently in exist- 
ence ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, did you, as a member of the NACIREMA 
or as a member of the United Klans of America, attend any demolition 
exercises at which Mr. Crowe and Mr. Anderson were the instructors? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, do you have a criminal record, sir? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Were you ever arrested by the Atlanta Police Depart- 
ment for abandonment of minor dependents ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully declme to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. On the 16th day of March 1963 were you arrested at 
2666 Kelley Lake Road, outside of Atlanta, on the charge of main- 
taining a disorderly house ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, I should like to ask you whether the ad- 
dress 2666 Kelley Lake Road, Atlanta, Georgia, is, in fact, the address 
of a Klavern of the United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that the address 2666 Kelley Lake Road in 
DeKalb County, outside of Atlanta, Georgia, was the address of a Ku 
Klux Klan organization. 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, arrested at the same time you were by the 
DeKalb County Police Department in cooperation with the Atlanta 
Police Department were Mr. William Crowe, Mr. William iVnderson, 
Mr. Robert Allison Day, and Mr. Billy Wilson. 

Did you know^ these people at this time to be members of the United 
Klans of America, Realm of Georgia ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2217 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon tlie groinids previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. "^Vliat investigation did the Grand Dragon, Calvin 
Craig, make of this incident being that members of his organization 
were involved ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, as an officer of the United Klans of Amer- 
ica, specifically the office of grand klokard, did you attend recent dem- 
onstrations in the area of Crawf ordville, Georgia ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, I would like to show you a newspaper re- 
port dated Tuesday, October 5, 1965, of the newspaper the Washington 
Post, which describes the arrest of Calvin Craig on the charge of as- 
sault on a Negro 17 years of age. 

I would like to call your attention to the third paragraph of this 
report which reads : 

While the Klansman tussled with the Negro, some 45 white spectators stood 
watching nearby. Some shouted to Craig : "Kill him. kill him." Police stood 
between the Negroes and the whites. 

Mr. Brock, I show you this newspaper article and put it to you as 
a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that you were the one 
who was shouting "kill him, kill him" to Mr. Craig. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grouiids previously stated. 

(Document marked "John Brock Exhibit No. 2" appears on pp. 
2218 and 2219.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, I show you a photograph taken at a public 
rally of the United Klans of America, which was held on June 5, 1965, 
in Atlanta, Georgia. I ask you to look at this photograph and tell the 
committee w^hether you are the person pictured in the Klan robes in 
this photograph. 

( Photograph handed to witness. ) 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograph marked "John Brock Exhibit No. 3" appears on p. 
2220.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Brock, I show you another photograph in which 
you are pictured in Klan robes standing next to two persons whom I 
wish you would identify for the committee. 

(Photograph handed to witness.) 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the two gentlemen standing next to you are Colbert 
Raymond McGriff and Earl Holcombe. 



2218 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN EST THE U.S. 




.John Brock Exh ibit No. 2 




Associated Press 



Calvin <ra;iR, Georgia grand dragon of 
ihe KKi\. left, watches Georgia State 
troopers diag off a Negro demonstrator in 



Crawfordville. Craig, who had grabbed 
the demonstrator's arm at one point, was 
arrested later on an assault charge. 



Ga. Klan Chief Accused 
Of Assault on Negro, 17 



CRAWFORDVILLE, Ga., 
Oct. 5 (UPI)— Police arrested 
Georgia's top Ku Klux Klan 
leader yesterday and charged 
him with assatdt after he 
seized a Negro teenager, twist- 
ed his arm and hurled him 
against a car during a racial 
demonstration, 

Calvin Craig, a crane opera- 
tor and Grand Dragon of the 
Georgia Klan, posted $100 
bond on the charge and trial 
was set for Feb. 18. He charged 
his arrest was a political 
"frame-up" arranged by Gov. 
Carl E. Sanders. 



■\Miile the Klansman tussled 
with the Negro,' some 45 white 
spectators stood watching 
nearby. Some shouted to 
Craig: "Kill him, kill him." 
Police stood between the Ne- 
groes and the whites. 

About 100 Negroes marched 
two miles from the Friendship 
Baptist Church to the court- 
Ihouse later. There were no in- 
cidents. 

Craig seized Frank Bates. 
17, a nd sla mmed him against' 
a State Highway^patrol car 
after Bates and 11 other Ne- 
groes tried to barge through 
a line of 20 State troopers in 
an attempt to board buses 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2219 

John Brock Exhibit No. 2— Continued 



hauling white pupils to school. 

Bates and a colleague, Alvin 
Harris, 17, also were arrested 
and charged -with interfering 
with the operation of a school- 

Craig insisted he grabbed 
Bates to prevent the Negro 
from striking a State trooper. 
"His hand was raised as if he 
were going to hit the officer," 
the Klansman said. 

Negro children have tried 
to board the segregated white 
buses here e ach school day 



since last Tuesday. Their dem- 
onstrations are aimed at pro-, 
testing the closing of Talia- 
ferro (Crawfordville) County's 
one white school to avoid de- 
segregation. 

The white children have 
been bussed to schools in 
nearby counties and Negro 
pupils have boycotted their 
own school to attend a "free- 
dom school" sponsored by the 
^'Southern Christian Leader- 
ship Conference. 



Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograph marked "John Brock Exhibit No. 4" appears on p. 
2220.) 

Mr. Manuel. Did you ever know Mr. McGriff or Mr. Holcombe to 
be members of the United Klans of America, Kealm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Brock. I decline to answer that question upon the grounds 
previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you ever know them to be leaders of an operation 
operating out of the area called Barnesville, called Vigilantes? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you ever know them to be members of an orga- 
nization called the Black Shirts of the Ku Klux Klan operating out of 
the vicinity of Barnesville, Georgia ? 

Mr. Brock. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions 
of this witness. 

Mr. Weltner. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and released from his 
subpena. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I would like to call at this time Mr. 
William Crowe. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will 
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Crowe. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 



/ 



2220 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



John Brock Exhibit No. 3 




Photograph taken at United Klans rally held June 5, 1965, at Atlanta, Ga. 
identified as Robert L. Bing, No. 2 as John Brock. 



No. 1 



John Brock Exhibit No. 4 




Photograph taken at United Klans rally held June 5, 1965, at Atlanta, Ga. No. 1 
identified as John Brock, No. 2 Colbert Raymond McGriff, and No. 3 Earl 
Holcombe. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2221 

TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM B. CROWE, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, would you please state your full name for 
the committee, sir? 

Mr. Crowe. William B. Crowe. 

The Chairman. Would you spell your last name? 

Mr. Cro^ve. C-r-o-w-e. 

Mr. Pool. Will you speak a little louder? I cannot hear you. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, are you represented today by counsel ? 

Mr. Crowe. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Will comisel please identify himself for the record ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, where and when were you born, sir? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 5, 1,4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were born on September 13, 1917, in 
Gwinnett County, Georgia. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon the 
grounds previously — based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, where do you currently reside ? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manxjel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you currently reside at 2044 Second Avenue, 
Decatur, Georgia. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, are you appearing today before the com- 
mittee in response to a subpena served upon you on the 13th day of 
October 1965, at 2044 Second Avenue, Decatur, Georgia, by Chief 
Deputy Marshal Leonard Hemdon ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Thank you. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, paragraph 1 of the subpena served upon 
you requires you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and aflSliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service aud 
State Men's Club in your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you 
or available to you as a member, former member and/or demolition instructor 
of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, 
Inc., also known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux 
Klan. 

I now ask you, sir, to produce those documents as outlined in para- 
graph 1. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by the committee under subpena dated 



2222 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

October 13, 1965, for the information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is such in- 
quiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by Rule 
XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolution 8, 
adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in the subpena dated October 
13, 1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend 
to incriminate me in violation of my rights guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, I offer the following stipulation: 
That the witness has been furnished a copy of the chainuan's opening 
statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its con- 
tents; that the directions of the subpena to produce the documents 
called for are made to the witness in the official representative capacity 
described within the subpena. 

Is that agreed to? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. Mr. Crowe, the committee does not accept your rea- 
sons for failing to produce those documents, and I therefore order 
and direct you to produce them. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls upon 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of Nacirema, Inc., in your 
possession, custody or control or available to you as a member or former mem- 
ber of Nacirema, Inc. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation is agreed to ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Mr. Crowe, I order and direct you to produce the 
documents. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, do you have a criminal record with the 
Atlanta Police Department? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel that my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by the amendments 
5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the TTnited States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Sir, the records of the Atlanta Police Department 
reflect that as far back as the year 1941 you escaped from the city 
stockade; in 1942 you escaped from the city of Atlanta jail; in 1948 
you were arrested on a charge of drunk and disorderly in a room 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2223 

with a woman; on April 3, 1950, you were arrested for pointing a 
pistol at another and resisting arrest. 

Is this true, sir ? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that as of October 1961 you were both a mem- 
ber of the United Klans of America and a member of NACIREMA, 
INC. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer upon the ground previ- 
ously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, as a member of the Ku Klux Klan, have 
you ever given instructions to other Klansmen, including Grand 
Dragon Calvin Craig and Imperial Wizard Robert Shelton, on the 
use of explosives and demolition devices? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that in October 1961, on a farm belonging to a 
person named O. C. Mixon, outside of the city of Macon, Georgia, 
on Route 49, you acted as an instructor for a school for Klansmen in 
explosion and demolition. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question on the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manltel. Further, I put it to you as a fact that your instruction 
to Klansmen was given in six phases. The first phase was how to 
set up a booby trap using a mercury switch taken from an old wash- 
ing machine, flashlight batteries, wire, and dynamite. 

The demonstration was given showing how these materials can be 
rigged to explode whenever an object is moved. 

Mr. Crow^e. I respectfully decline 

The Chairman. Wait a minute. 

Mr. Manuel. I ask you to affirm or deny the fact that you did 
give that particular demonstration to Klansmen. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer the question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that throughout this demonstration you were 
assisted by William Anderson. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer the question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manltel. Mr. Crowe, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you knew^ Mr. Anderson to be a member 
of the United Klans of America and a member of NACIREMA, INC. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel, Mr. Crowe, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that: in the second phase of your demonstra- 
tion you showed Klansmen how to rig various types of fuse caps to 
dynamite in preparation for exploding the dynamite. 

In connection with, this instruction, two types of fuses were demon- 
strated. One type was for the detonation of dynamite using an elec- 
trical spark obtained from a flashlight battery, and the other type 



2224 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

was a safety fuse which detonates the dynamite by lighting the fuse 
which in turn sets off the dynamite. 

You demonstrated at tliis time various types of this fuse, showing 
various speeds at wliich they can be employed. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that you did instruct Klansmen as I have explained in this second 
phase of the demonstration. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that in the third phase of your demonstra- 
tion you showed Klansmen how to rig an explosive charge that will 
give 3 or 4 mintues' getaway time. In this demonstration you used 
a piece of board about 2 feet long and 6 inches wide. A stick of 
dynamite was taped to one end of the board with black friction tape. 
A short piece of the safety fuse was attached to the stick of dynamite, 
and immediately in front of this fuse was placed a wad of cotton 
impregnated with cigarette lighter fluid. A book of matches was then 
taped to the board in front of the cotton. 

To explode the dynamite, you placed a lighted cigarette between 
the matches in the matchbook. When the cigarette burned down, it 
ignited the matches which, in turn, ignited the cotton, which, in turn, 
ignited the fuse. 

In the demonstration which took place of this method, the explosion 
took place between 5 and 6 minutes after the lighted cigarette was 
placed. 

Sir, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
you did so instruct Klansmen. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds stated previously. 

Mr. Manuel. In the fourth phase of your demonstration, you 
showed how to start an intense fire in an automobile, house, or build- 
ing. In demonstrating this method you took a small medicine bottle, 
about 2 inches long, which was about two-thirds full of a powdery 
substance. You stated to the Klansmen that this substance was 
powdered sugar and potassium chlorate. 

You then took a gelatin capsule and placed therein one or two drops 
of sulphuric acid. You then instructed that this acid can be obtained 
from the battery of an automobile. You then dropped the gelatin 
capsule containing the acid into the medicine bottle and loosel}^ re- 
placed the lid. 

About 5 minutes later the bottle burst into an intense blue flame 
which lasted for several minutes. During this demonstration you 
talked of the possibilities of using this type of device in department 
stores who integrate their eating facilities. You said that a man 
could easily try on a new suit and leave one of these devices in the 
pocket. 

Is that a truthful recounting of what you said on that day, at that 
time? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you so instruct persons whom you knew to be 
members of the United Klans of America as outlined in phase No. 4? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2225 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The fifth phase of your demonstration was how to 
destroy an automobile with simple, easy to obtain materials. For this 
demonstration you used a quart fruit jar, half filled with gasoline. 
You used adhesive tape to tape a 2-inch firecracker to the side of this 
jar, then lit the firecracker and threw the jar into the back seat of 
a junked automobile which was being used for this particular 
demonstration. 

When the firecracker exploded, 2 or 3 seconds later, it burst the 
fruit jar and threw gasoline fumes over the inside of the automobile 
which, in turn, exploded. 

This explosion and fire was so intense that you stated that no person 
would have a chance to escape from that automobile. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that you did so instruct Klansmen as I have outlined in phase 5. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The sixth phase of your explosion demonstration was 
how to explode a type of fertilizer used by farmers known as sodium 
phosphate. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that you did so instruct Klansmen, 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Crowe, I would like to ask you to explain to the 
committee exactly what was your purpose in instructing Klansmen in 
the use of dynamite and detonation devices ? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds stated previously. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, that you conducted this 
demonstration with the knowledge and consent of Grand Dragon 
Calvin F. Craig of the Realm of Georgia and the Imperial Wizard 
of the United Klans of America, Eobert M. Shelton. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel, Mr. Crowe, I would like for you to explain to the com- 
mittee exactly what your background is in explosion and demolition 
devices. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr, Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness, 

Mr. Pool. In view of the facts that have been brought forth by 
Mr. Manuel, and they are very serious facts and very seriously attack 
your reputation, do you have anything to tell this committee in your 
own words ? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the witness whether 
he and John Brock, the previous witness before the committee, Wil- 
liam Anderson, Robert Allison Day, and Billy Wilson were arrested 
on the 16th day of March 1968 for operating a disorderly house at 
2666 Kelley Lake Road, Atlanta, Georgia ? 



2226 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that that address, 2666 Kelley Lake Road, was the 
address of a Klavern of the United Klans of America, Inc. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you knew William Anderson, John Brock, and 
Robert Day, to be members of the United Klans of America at that 
time. 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr, Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Crowe, I have heard the testimony by the in- 
vestigator concerning the use of demolitions and explosions. I know 
of no reason that these instructions would be given other than the 
willful taking of human lives. 

If there is some other reason, I would appreciate your telling me. 
I wonder if you would tell us, please, is there any reason for these 
instructions other than the taking of human lives ? 

Mr. Crowe. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. No further questions. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Chairman ? 

The Chairman. Mr. Pool. 

Mr. Pool. Maybe you can answer that question before the television 
cameras, then. 

That is not a question. I am just pointing that out. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and discharged from his 
subpena. 

Call your next witness, Mr. Manuel. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff would like to call next Mr. 
William Anderson. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear tliat the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Anderson. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM ALLISON ANDERSON, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, would you please state your full name 
for the committee ? 

Mr. Anderson. William Allison Anderson. 

Mr. Manuel. When and where were you bom, sir ? 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2227 

Mr. Manuel. Now, Mr. Anderson, I put it to you as a fact, and 
ask you to affirm or deny the fact, tliat you were born on August 10, 
1916, in Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, are you represented by counsel, sir? 

Mr. Anderson. Yes. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. I am lister V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law^, Koom 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. IManuel. Mr. Anderson, where do you currently reside? 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you reside at 3444 Orchard Circle, in 
Decatur, Georgia. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that as of October 1961, you were a member 
of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, and also a member 
of an organization previously identified as NACIREMA, INC. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Manuel. Mr. Anderson, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that as of March 1964, you were a member 
of tlie Imperial Klokann Committee of an organization known as the 
Improved Order of U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which 
has its headquarters in Lithonia, Georgia. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer the question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, are you appearing before the commit- 
tee today in response to a subpena served upon you at 10 :15 o'clock p.m. 
on the 9th day of October 1965 by Marshal Herndon ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, it is so stipulated with respect to the 
subpena, that he is here as a result of being served with a subpena. 

The Chairman. Thank you. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, your subpena in paragraph 1 calls 
upon you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service and 
State Men's Club, in your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or 
available to you as a member, former member, or demolition Instructor of the 
Invisible Empire. United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., 
also knowTi as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you now, sir, to produce the documents called for in paragraph 
1 of your subpena. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by the committee under subpena dated 
October 9, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid Congress 
in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is such in- 

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2228 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

quiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by Rule 
XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolution 8, 
adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in subpena dated October 9, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of 
America. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, I offer to make the following stipula- 
tion : (1) That the witness has been furnished a copy of the chairman's 
opening statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its 
contents; (2) that the directions in the subpena to produce the docu- 
ments called for are made to the witness in the official representative 
capacity described in the subpena. 

Is the stipulation agreed to ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr, Anderson, the committee does not agree that 
you have the right to refuse to produce these documents and I there- 
fore order and direct you to produce them. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. I think that the record ought to show that the wit- 
ness throughout has been replying, or refusing to reply, to the ques- 
tions by invoking his privileges indicated by a slow reading to him, 
and repeating by him, from his counsel. I say that because it is 
obvious that the witness has very little education. 

Mr. IVLvNFEL. Mr. Anderson, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls 
upon you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as present or former member of the Imperial Klokan Committee of the Improved 
Order of the U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan which the "Constitution 
and Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be maintained by you 
and any other oflScer of said organization, the same being in your ]X)Ssession, 
custody or control. 

I now ask you, sir, to produce the documents as outlined in para- 
graph 2 of your subpena. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to deliver to tlie committee 
the documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Is the stipulation previously made agreed to? 

Mr. Chalmers. With respect to paragraph 2; yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Anderson, I order and direct you to produce 
those documents. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, paragraph 3 of your subpena calls 
upon you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda relating to 
the organization of and conduct of business and affairs of Nacirema, Inc., in 
your pos.session, custody or control or available to you as a member or former 
member of Nacirema, Inc. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2229 

I now ask you, sir, to produce the documents as called for in para- 
graph 3. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. The same stipulation, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation is agreed to. 

I, accordingly, order you, Mr. Anderson, to produce those docu- 
ments. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the docmnents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, as a member of the United Klans 
of America, Inc., and also as a member of NACIREMA, INC., in the 
month of August 1961 did you assist Mr. William Crowe, the previous 
witness before this committee, in the instruction of explosives and 
demolition devices to persons known to you to be members of the 
United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Anderson, I respectfully 

Mr. Manuel. If I said August, Mr. Chairman, I meant October. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that this demolition school was held at a 
farm owned by Mr. O. C. Mixon, and the farm was known as Klans- 
men's Hill, and it was located approximately 9 miles northeast of 
Macon, Georgia, on Rout© 49. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, what is your background in the in- 
struction of demolition and explosive devices? 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, what was your purpose in instiaicting 
persons known to you to be members of the Ku Klux Klan organiza- 
tion in the art of demolition and explosion devices ? 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, were you in the room when the pre- 
vious witness before the committee, Mr. William Crowe, testified ? 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Will counsel stipulate that Mr. Anderson was in 
the room and heard the questions propounded to the previous witness, 
William Crowe? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, during the testimony of Mr. Crowe, 
I read into the record six separate and distinct phases of demolition 
and explosion instruction which commiittee investigation has estab- 
lished Mr. Crowe and yourself were the instructors for, for persons 
known to you to be members of the United Klans of America. 

I wish to ask you at this point, Was the result of the committee 
investigation in this regard correct? 



2230 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. ML^NUEL. Mr. Anderson, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that present at this instruction were the Grand 
Dragon of the Realm of Georgia, Calvin Craig, and the Imperial 
Wizard of the United Klans of America, Robert M. Shelton. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer the question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. jSIanuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that you instiiicted Klansmen as outlined in the 
committee investigation with the full knowledge and consent of Mr. 
Craig and Mr. Shelton. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Anderson, a report of the DeKalb County Police 
Department indicates that on the 16th day of March 1963, you, Mr. 
John L. Brock, Mr. Robert Allison Day, and Mr. William Crowe and 
Mr. Billy Wilson were arrested at 2666 Kelley Lake Road, Atlanta, 
Georgia, on the charge of maintaining a disorderly house. Is the re- 
port of the DeKalb County Police Department correct, sir? 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer the question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that the address 2666 Kelley Lake Road, Atlanta, Geor- 
gia, is known to you to be a meeting place of a Klavem of the Ku Klux 
Klan organization. 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. MANUEL. Mr. Anderson, to your direct knowledge, has anyone 
ever been expelled, including yourself, from membership in the United 
Klans of America for participation in violent action ? 

Mr. Anderson. I respectfully decline to answer the question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

Mr. Pool. I have none. 

Mr. Weltner. No questions. 

Mr. Buchanan. No questions, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and released from his sub- 
pena. 

All exhibits referred to, identified, and submitted to the witnesses 
will, of course, as usual, be inserted in the record at the points where 
they were brought up. 

The committee will stand in recess until 10 o'clock tomorrow morn- 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

(Wliereupon, at 4:10 p.m., Monday, November 1, 1965, the subcom- 
mittee recessed, to reconvene at 10 a.m., Tuesday, November 2, 1965.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS 
IN THE UNITED STATES 

Part 2 



TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 1965 

United States House of Representatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 

Washington^ D.C. 

PUBLIC hearings 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities 
met, pui-suant to recess, at 10:20 a.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon 
House Office Building, Washington, D.C, Hon. Edwin E. Willis 
(chairman) presiding. 

I (Subcommittee members: Kepresentatives Edwin E. Willis, of Lou- 
isiana, chairman ; Joe R. Pool, of Texas ; Charles L. Weltner, of Geor- 
gia; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio; and John H. Buchanan, Jr., of 
Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Weltner, 
and Buchanan. 

Committee member also present : Representative Richard H. Ichord, 
of Missouri. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; William 
Hitz, general counsel; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel; Donald T. Appell, 
chief investigtor; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will please come to order. 

Mr. Manuel, please call your first witness. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff would like to call, at this 
time, Leo Blackwell. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF LEO BLACKWELL 

Mr. Manuel. Would you state your full name for the record, please ? 
Mr. Blackwell. Leo Blackwell. 
Mr. Manuel. Wliat is your occupation ? 
Mr. Blackwell. Chief of police, Griffin, Georgia. 
Mr. Manuel. Would you give the committee the date and place 
of your birth, sir ? 

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2232 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Blackwell. I was born in Marietta, Georgia ; February 3, 1912. 

Mr. Manuel. How long have you been chief of police of Griflin, 
Georgia ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Fifteen years. 

Mr. Manuel. "Would you give the committee a brief resume of your 
training as a police officer ? 

Mr. Blackwell. To begin with, I took a fingerprint-photograph 
course through the Institute of Applied Science. Then I graduated 
from the FBI National Academy in 1944. I have been in several serv- 
ice schools in Athens, Georgia, since. 

Mr. Manuel. How large is the police force in Griffin, Georgia, sir? 

Mr. Blackwell. We have 50 members. 

Mr. Manuel. Is your police force integrated ? Do you have mem- 
bers of your force who are Negroes ? 

Mr. Blackwell. We have three ; yes, sir. 

Mr. ]\Ianuel. Do they receive the same training and same pay as 
the white members in similar positions ? 

Mr. Blackw^ell. They do ; yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Griffin, would you please tell the committee 
what contact or what investigation your department has made on Ku 
Klux Klan groups and members prior to April of 1964 ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Well, we had Ku Klux Klan men and also Negroes 
demonstrating in Griffin at the same time. 

Mr. Manuel. Prior to that demonstration, would you tell the com- 
mittee what the activity of the Ku Klux Klan was in Griffin, Georgia, 
as your department knows it ? 

(At this point Representative Pool entered the hearing room.) 

Mv. Blackwell. Up until that time I didn't know very much about 
the Klan. I knew that they had a Klavern there in Griffin. I knew 
where they met. I knew four or five members, but as to anything about 
their meetings and so on, I didn't know that. 

Mr. Manuel. Prior to April of 1964, very briefly, would you tell the 
committee what the activities of these known Ku Klux Klan mem- 
bers were? 

Mr. Blackwell. Well, the one I knew the best worked at a meat 
packing place and then his father was a night watchman at the 
Spalding Junior High School. 

Then one other member I knew lived at Meansville, Georgia. He was 
a truck driver. The fourth member, I really don't know what he did. 

Mr. Manuel. These are the leaders that you are talking about, sir? 

Mr. Blackwell. They were the ones that I knew best ; yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Is Griffin, Georgia, located in Spalding County, 
Georgia? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes. 

Mr. Manuel. Did vou know the name of the Ku Klux Klan group 
that was operated in Griffin, Georgia ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I didn't know at that time. I found out since 
what it was. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliat was the name of the Ku Klux Klan group in 
Griffin? 

Mr. Blackwell. It is Ku Klux Klan — I believe it is Number 25. 

Mr. Manuel. AVas that Spalding County Unit No. 25 ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2233 

Mr. Bi^vcKWELL. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know this unit to be part of the United Klans 
of America ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I didn't know for sure. I found out since that it 
was. 

Mr. Manuel. You found out subsequent to April of 1964 ? 

Mr. Bl.\ckwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. In April of 1964, was Griffin, Georgia, the site of some 
civil rights demonstrations? 

Mr. Blackwell. It was ; yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please explain to the committee the activ- 
ity that took place in Griffin, Georgia, at that time ? 

Mr. Blackwell. On April 24, 1964, at about 2 o'clock in the after- 
noon, my office received a call that somebody was burning a cross in 
front of the Cleanwell Pressing Club, which is a Negro establish- 
ment, owned and operated by two brothers. 

The Chairman. Wliat were the names of the two brothers ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Raymond and Otis Head. 

Mr. Manuel. Were the two Head brothers Negroes? 

Mr. BluVCKwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. ISIanuel. Proceed. 

Mr. Blackwell. One of my detectives and I got in a car and started 
over there. We went about two blocks out of the way, because we got 
the wrong location to begin with, and by the time we got back to this 
Cleanwell establishment, the fire department had already gotten to 
the establishment and put out the cross. It was still standing in the 
street, but it had been extinguished. 

Another captain, one of my captains, and his partner had arrived 
at the scene before we did, and he had found out from a witness the 
tag number of the automobile involved. 

The Chairman. Would you put the microphone a little closer to 
you. Chief? 

Mr. Blackwt:ll. Yes, sir. 

We immediately broadcast a notice to all the other cars to be on 
the lookout for this car. We gave the tag number and description 
and so on. 

In the meantime, we found out there was a second car involved. At 
that particular time we didn't loiow the second car was involved. 

After about 30 minutes searching for these two cars, we found them 
both parked in front of the Newton Coal and Lumber Company, which 
is across the street from the Klan headquarters and a half block north. 
From standing on the ground, we could see in the cars and see what 
we thought was a Thompson submachine gun. 

I stationed a lieutenant with these two cars and told him not to let 
anybody bother them. I and two other captains went across the street 
to the Klan's headquarters and went up. It was upstairs, up over a dry 
goods store. 

When we got to the head of the stairs, we saw a man run in a 
restroom and one of my captains went in the restroom behind him. 
From a description that we had received at the scene, we arrested 
him. 

Mr. Manuel. Who was that man ? 



2234 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Blackwell. That was a man named Mr. McGriff. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliat is his first name, his full name ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Colbert Raymond McGriff. 

Mr. Manuel. At this point, Chief, did j'on know Mr. McGriff to 
be a member of the local Kn Khix Klan unit in Griffin ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. I didn't know him at all at that time. 

Mr. Manuel. He was a stranger to yon ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. But he was at the Kn Klnx Klan meeting hall ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes ; he was at the meeting hall. 

Mr. Manuel. Proceed with the incident. 

Mr. Blackwell. From a description of the second party, we ar- 
rested a Mr. Oliver Curtis Sanders. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know Mr. Sanders to be a member of the 
local Ku Klux Klan unit ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. I didn't know him at all. 

Mr. Manuel. All right. 

Mr. Blackwell. Then we went back downstairs to — we placed these 
two men under arrest — we went back downstairs and over to the auto- 
mobile. I sent one of my captains over to get a search warrant, or 
two search warrants for these automobiles. In the meantime, we 
called a wrecker and had them impounded. 

We carried the automobiles to the police department and they were 
locked so we got a locksmith and told him to make a key where we 
could get into the cars. When we did get into the cars 

Mr. Manuel. These were the cars in which you had observed what 
looked like, to you, a submachine gun ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. When we got into the cars we found all 
this arsenal of guns and so on. There was some Ku Klux Klan robes 
and there was a briefcase, I believe, with some of their records. 

Mr. Manuel. Whom did the briefcase belong to ? 

Mr. Blackwell. It belonged to Mr. McGriff. 

Mr. Manuel. What did the briefcase contain ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I didn't examine it too close. I remember one 
place in there he had had authority to establish or set up a Klavern 
in Dothan, Alabama, I believe. It has a list of some people there 
who had made applications to join the Klan. 

Mr. Manuel. Did the material contained in the briefcase give Mr. 
McGriff the power to be an organizer for the United Klans of 
America ? 

Mr. Blackwell. It did ; yes, sir. 

We placed these men in jail and charged them with disorderly con- 
duct because our statute says anything that is detrimental to the 
morals, safety, and welfare of our people does constitute disorderly 
conduct. 

Mr. Manltel. Chief, do your records reflect who were the owners 
of the cars from which you took the arms ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please give that information to the com- 
mittee? 

Mr. Blackwell. A 1956 Chevrolet, bearing Georgia license 1-3055, 
belonged to Mr. Bayne. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2235 

Mr. Manuel. Give his full name. 

Mr. Blackavell. Allen Lee Bayne. 

Mr. Manuel. At that time did you know Mr. Bayne to be a member 
of the local Griffin Unit ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Proceed. 

Mr. Blackwell. The second automobile belonged to a Mr. Carlyle, 
Mr. Thomas Royce Carlyle. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know Mr. Carlyle to be a member of the local 
Griffin Unit? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

The Chairman. As to the first two people you referred to previ- 
ously, you said you didn't even know them at all ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

The Chaiuman. How about these two? Did you know them in- 
di"\ddually, or did you just not know them as members of the Klan? 

Mr. Blackwell. I didn't know them at all. They didn't live in 
Griffin. 

Tlie Chairman. They did not live in Griffin ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. This was prior to the arrest, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. All right. 

Mr. Manuel. Was there another person arrested at that time, 
Chief? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. I believe you have given the names of four. You 
have said so far McGriff, Bayne, Carlyle, and Sanders. Was there 
another ? 

Mr. Blackwell. John Max Mitchell. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know John Max Mitchell to be a member of 
the Klan group from Griffin, Georgia ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

The Chairman. Again, do you mean you didn't know him at all ? 

Mr. Blackavell. I didn't know him at all ; no, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. That is prior to the arrest. 

Chief Blackwell, could you give the committee a brief description 
of the activities of these people prior to their arrest, what they did? 

Mr. Blackwell. Well, we don't know except, when they were tried, 
one man — Mr. Mitchell — wanted to make a sworn statement. Of 
course, when he wished to make a sworn statement, that threw him 
open for cross-examination. In the questioning by the city recorder, 
we found out these men liad spent the night previously at his place 
in a county below us, Lamar County. 

Mr. Manuel. Is that in the vicinity of Barnesville ? 

Mr. Blackw^ell. Yes. Barnesville is the county seat of Lamar 
County. They got up that day and came to Griffin and ate lunch on 
the way up there, and got into Griffin 30 or 40 minutes before this 
thing happened. Like I say, none of us knew them. We didn't know 
these people. 

The Chairman. Chief, you said that an individual you named 
wanted to make a sworn statement and that threw him open to cross- 
examination. In other words, having volunteered the statement, then 
you could cross-examine him to find out the facts ? 



2236 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir ; that is right. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief, at the time of these five persons being arrested, 
did you identify them as members of the Ku Kkix Klan? 

Mr. Blackwell. We did, by their paraphernalia in the car. 

Mr. Manuel. And this photograph which you have [provided to the 
committee shows that in the car there was a sign stating "Spalding 
Co. Klan No. 25, K.K.K.K." ; is that correct ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir; that was found in one of the cars. 

(Photograph marked "Leo Blackwell Exhibit No. 1." This exhibit 
will be reproduced in a forthcoming report in Klan organizations.) 

Mr. Manuel. Would you give the committee a full description, as 
your records reflect, of the arms that were taken from the cars belong- 
ing to Mr. Bayne and Mr. Carlyle ? 

Mr. Blackwell. There were three .45 caliber guns similar to a 
Thompson submachine gun, only it won't shoot automatic fire. It 
shoots single fire. It is a replica of a Thompson submachine gun. 
Tliere were three of those. Each one had three clips taped together. 
Each clip held 50 rounds. They were taped together so that when 
one was shot out, he could eject it, turn it over and put it back in the 
gun and shoot 50 more. 

Mr. Manuel. So each submachine gun was capable of shooting 150 
rounds single action ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

There was one German-made rifle, a .30 caliber rifle, with almost a 
full case of ammunition. 

There were two English .38 caliber pistols. That is the type that 
breaks down from the top. 

There were two Smith & Wesson pistols, one with a 4-inch barrel 
and the other with a 2-inch barrel. 

There was one Army Colt .45 automatic pistol. 

There was one Harrington & Richardson .22 caliber pistol. 

One .357 Magnum made on the old frontier style. 

Mr. Pool. The 2-inch revolver was a .38 ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir ; in this instance it was. 

There were several hundred rounds of ammunition. There were 
two little, cheap, handy talkie radio sets, little cheap radios that one 
could walkie-talk to the other one, like our radio. 

There were several Klan robes. I don't remember, but there were 
four or five robes in those two cars. I have a picture of them. There 
were two signs bearing what you just mentioned, two KKK signs, 
Spalding County No. 25, one in each car. 

There was a little, small black case of papers that belonged to Mr. 
McGriff. That was about the extent. 

Mr. Manuel. Did your investigation reval that any of the five per- 
sons arrested used these guns to intimidate any individual ? 

Mr. Blackwell. From witnesses at the scene, McGriff sat in the 
back seat of the first car with one of these guns in his lap and pointed 
it. 

Mr. Manuel. Which gun did he have? 

Mr. Blackwell. He had one of these .45 guns made like a sub- 
machine gun. 

Mr. Manuel. So actually it looked like a submachine gim? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2237 

Mr. Blackwell, It looked like a submachine gun. 

Mr. Manuel. And fully operated ? 

Mr. Bl.\ckwell. lie held this gun on some people in front of the 
Cleanwell Pressing Club while some other people got out of the car 
and set up the cross, pouring gasoline or spirits on them and setting 
it afire, according to the witnesses. 

Mr. Manuel. ^Vlio were the two men who set up the cross and set 
fire to the cross ? 

Mr, Blackw^ell. Mr. Bayne was the driver of the car. He and Mr. 
Sanders set the cross up. Mr, McGriff sat in the back seat and kept 
these people covered with a gun. Mr, Carlyle and Mr, Mitchell were 
in the second car, the car behind the first car, keeping anybody from 
getting up close to them. They fled the scene immediately after they 
fired the cross. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief, did your investigation reveal why these Klans- 
men picked the Cleanwell Pressing Club as a site to burn a cross at ? 

Mr, Blackwt:ll. We don't know for sure. We think probably it 
was done because these two brothers, Raymond and Otis Head, are 
members of a biracial committee there in Griffin and they had been in 
meetings with white people. If that wasn't the reason, then we don't 
know why, 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please give the committee a brief descrip- 
tion of the picketing that was going on in Griffin at the time ? Were 
there Negroes involved in picketing various business establishments 
at that time in Griffin, Georgia ? 

Mr, Blackwell, The first picketing we had was a group of Negro 
boys and girls. They must have been the age of 17, 18, or 19 years 
old. Thy were picketing two local chains, five-and-ten-cent stores, 
because their lunchrooms were not integrated. They picketed, I would 
say, 2 or 3 weeks, just maybe a couple of hours at a time, and skip 
a couple of days and come back and picket again. Then the Klansmen 
began to picket Eaymond Head's place, this Cleanwell Pressing Club. 

Mr. Manuel. How many Klansmen were involved in the picketing? 

Mr, Blackwell. I don't believe there was ever over four at a time. 

Mr. ]\L\NUEL. At the time the picketing first started, were the Klans- 
men involved in this action members of the local Griffin Unit? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir; the ones that did the picketing were local. 
We knew those, 

Mr, Manuel, Likewise, were the Negroes involved in the picketing 
of the several business establishments — did your investigation deter- 
mine that they were local persons from Griffin, Georgia? 

Mr, Blackw^ell. Yes; they w^ere local people. 

Then it reached the point where the Klan and the Negroes were 
both picketing. In the meantime, these two stores did integrate their 
lunch counters. Then the Klan began picketing the stores because 
they had integrated their lunch counters. We had Klansmen and 
Negroes picketing at the same time, and in some instances I suppose 
it was an auxiliary of the Klan, women picketing with the men, 

Mr, Manuel, At this time. Chief, did your department take photo- 
graphs of both the Negro demonstrators and the Klan demonstrators? 

Mr, Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please exhibit them now to the committee ? 



2238 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Black WELL. Yes, sir. 

(Photographs marked "Leo Blackwell Exhibit No. 2," and retained 
in committee files. ) 

Mr. Black"vvell. I don't have but one picture of the Klan. I can 
identify three men in that picture. That one was made in front of 
the Cleanwell Pressing Club. 

Mr. Manuel. And the Cleanwell Pressing Club was the site of the 
cross-burning ? 

Mr. BLACK^VELL. Yes, sir. 

These are pictures of Negroes picketing the two local establishments. 

Mr. Manuel. What precautions did your department take at the 
time of the initial picketing to see that there was no violence between 
the Klan group and the Negro group ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I stationed two men at each end. They walked, 
I would say 100 yards and would turn around and come back. I 
stationed two men at each end to see that nobody bothered them and 
to see that they bothered nobody. We stayed with them as long as 
they picketed. 

Mr. IVIanuel. How long had the picketing been going on before 
the arrest of these five individuals Avhom you have described ? 

Mr. Blacka\t:ll. Do you mean that day ? 

Mr. Manuel. In a period of time. In the month of April. 

Mr. BLACK^VELL. I would say they had been walking picket for 
3 or 4 months, something like that, just occasionally. Not too often; 
just occtisionally. 

Mr. Manuel. During that time, did your department have any 
indication that violence would take place? 

Mr. Blackwell. Well, we didn't know. I sent these men over 
there to stay with them just in case they did. We didn't have any 
idea anything was going to happen, because up until then it had 
always been peaceful. 

Mr. Manuel. The trouble that did occur was because of Klansmen 
Avho came into Griffin from outside the Griffin area; is that correct? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir; that is correct. 

Mr. Manuel. The day on which these people were arrested was 
a Saturday; is that correct? 

Mr. Blackwell. Saturday afternoon ; yes. 

Mr. Mauel. That night, did the prisoners receive any visitors? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. There was three people that came doA\ni 
and visited them. A Mr. Bing. 

Mr. Manuel. Robert L. Bing? 

Mr. Blackwell. I don't know. I don't remember his name. I 
just remember it was Bing. And Mr. Craig and Mr. Bailey. 

Mr. Manuel. At the time Mr. Craig: visited the jail, did you know 
liim to be the Grand Dragon of the State of Georgia for the I"'^nited 
Klans of America? 

Mr. Blackwell. I knew he was Grand Dragon, but I didn't know 
him. That was the first time I met him. 

Mr. Manuel. Wlio was the third individual? 

Mr. Blackwell. Mr. Bailey. He is a lawyer from Jonesboro, I 
believe. 

Mr. Manuel. He was a lawyer from Jonesboro. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2239 

Did these individuals introduce themselves as Klansmen? 

Mr. Blackwell. I don't believe they introduced themselves as 
Klansmen. Mr. Bailey introduced himself as a lawyer, and I believe 
he said he would represent them. I don't remember that he introduced 
himself as a Klansman. 

Mr. Manuel. At the time they visited your jail, did they state the 
purpose of their visit? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please tell the committee what they told 
you or what you heard? 

Mr. Blackwell. They said they wanted to come down to find out 
what the men were charged with and how much the bond was and to 
see about getting them out of jail. 

Mr. Manuel. At that time did they give any indication that the 
men involved and arrested were members of the United Klans of 
America ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I don't remember if they did. I don't remember if 
they did or not. 

Mr. Manuel. Did they make any active attempt to get these persons 
released from jail? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. What were their activities in that regard? 

Mr. Blackw^ell. We set bond on them, and these men stayed in jail 
for about a week. About a week later a local bondsman made bond 
for them. We set their bond at, I believe it was $800 each, and one of 
our requirements is that a person who signs the bond must live in the 
city of Griffin and own property or be a licensed bondsman. It took 
about a week, I believe, to get somebody to set the bond. 

Mr. Manltel. Regarding the person who was arrested named Col- 
bert Raymond McGriff, what investigation did your department make 
of his background ? 

Mr. Black^vell. We fingerprinted him and sent it to Washington, 
and he didn't have a record with the Bureau. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you determine his address at that time, where 
he was from? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. He gave his address as Fulton County. 

Mr. Manuel. Fulton County, Georgia ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Regarding the defendant Allen Lee Bayne, what 
investigation did your department do on his background? 

Mr. Blackw^ell. We fingerprinted him and sent his prints to Wash- 
ington. They sent us back his complete record. 

Mr. IVLvNUEL. Would you give the committee the results of that 
investigation ? 

Mr. Blackwell. The first time Mr. Bayne had been fingerprinted 
was in 1945. He was investigated for burglary and released. That 
was in Gadsden, Alabama. 

The next time he was fingerprinted was in November 1945, investi- 
gated for burglary and grand larceny. It says here in the disposi- 
tion he was turned over to the State. I don't know from there on 
what happened to him. 

The next time he was fingerprinted was in 1946 and they listed him 
as a "Navy-Straggler" and he was turned over to the Navy. 



2240 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN EST THE U.S. 

The next time he was fingerprinted was in February 1947, charged 
with theft of an auto, and it states here he was turned over to the 
State. 

Then the next three times he was fingerprinted, in the Department 
of Corrections in Montgomery. On December 10, 1947, it states here 
that he received 18 months 10 davs for — I guess that is auto theft. 
He escaped from prison September 13, 1948, and was recaptured 
September 19, 1948, and was discharged on June 7, 1949. 

Then on July 12 — no, on March 9, 1949, he was fingerprinted in 
Montgomery, Alabama, and he received 3 years there for something. 
It doesn't state in here what for. It says 3 years in the disposition. 

Then in 1952, on June 22, 1952, attempted burglary. It says "Hold 
for Etowah County, Alabama." It doesn't have what happened out 
of that. 

Then the State Board of Corrections at Montgomery, Alabama, 
fingerprinted him in 1952 and he received 6 months 57 days. I pre- 
sume that was in connection with this burglary case up there. 

Then grand larceny and burglary. He was admitted to the State 
Board of Corrections in Montgomery, Alabama, in 1952, on a 3-year 
1-day term. 

Then during that time he escaped and they apprehended him. On 
July 29, 1957, he received 13 months for escape, it says here on the 
FBI record. 

The next time he was fingerprinted is when we fingerprinted him 
in Griffin on this cross-burning. 

The Chairman. Wlio is that individual you are talking about? 

Mr. Blackwell. That is Allen Lee Bayne. 

Mr. Manuel. And at the time of your first meeting with Allen Lee 
Bayne he was engaged in an act of intimidation against Negroes as 
a member of the United Klans of America; is that correct. Chief? 

Mr, Blackwell. Yes, sir. That is the first time I met him. 

Mr. Manuel. With further regard to Colbert Raymond McGriff, 
who you said had no criminal background in Washington, what was 
his age at the time of arrest ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Twenty years old. 

Mr. Manuel. He was 20 years old ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. And Mr. McGriff was the one who had papers in one 
of the cars which stated or in effect made him an organizer for the 
United Klans of America ; is that correct, sir ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Now with regard to the defendant Thomas Royce 
Carlyle, what investigation did you make of his background? 

Mr. Blackwell. He didn't have a record. 

Mr. Manuel. Before leaving Mr. Bayne, what address did you 
establish for Mr. Bayne at the time of his arrest? 

Mr. Blackwell. Fulton County. That is the city of Atlanta. 

Mr. Manuel. Thomas Royce Carlyle did not have any criminal 
background ; is that correct? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliat was his age at the time of arrest? 

Mr. Blackwell. That was Carlyle ? 



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Mr. Manuel. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Blackwell. He gave his age as 28. 

Mr. Manuel. And what was his address? 

Mr. Bl^vckwell. DeKalb County, Georgia. That is Decatur, that 
is the county seat of that county. 

Mr. Manuel. With regard to the defendant Oliver Curtis Sanders, 
what investigation did you make of his background ? 

Mr. Blackwell. He had been fingerprinted one time in Tuscaloosa, 
Alabama, and he was charged with D&S. I don't know what that 
is.^ In the disposition he was released. 

Mr. Manuel. And w^hat age was he at the time of arrest? 

Mr. Blackwell. Fifty-four. 

Mr. Manuel. With regard to the defendant John Max Mitchell, 
what investigation did your department make of his background? 

Mr. Blackwell. He didn't have a record. 

Mr. Manuel. And what was his address at the time of arrest ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Lamar County, Georgia. That would be Barnes- 
ville, about 14 miles south of Griffin. 

Mr. Manuel. What address did you establish for Oliver Sanders ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Monroe County; between Griffin and Macon. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell, would you please explain to the 
committee what was the disposition of this case? What happened 
after they were placed in jail ? 

Mr. Blackwell. They were tried by our city recorder, and he found 
them guilty and fined them $505 or 10 months. They filed an appeal 
to superior court. The superior court judge heard the appeal and sent 
it back to our court. 

In the meantime, due to the fact that two of our witnesses had 
gone — one of these witnesses was a Negro soldier and he was stationed 
in Germany — and due to that fact they worked out a plan with our 
city attorney to let them place $100 cash money as a bond and forfeit 
the bond in city recorder's court. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you further describe the Negro soldier whom 
you have just mentioned, and what was his connection with this case? 

Mr. Blackwell. He had gone into this Cleanwell Pressing Club 
for some reason and started out the door. That was just as these men 
got out of the car to burn the cross. McGriff covered him with one 
of these guns and told him to be still, and he did. 

Mr. Manuel. Did he point the weapon right at this Negro soldier? 

Mr. Blackwell. According to the Negro soldier he did. 

Mr. Manuel. What was the name of the Negro soldier ? 

Mr. Blackwell, Robert C. Brown. He lived at 549 North Sixth 
Street in Griffin, but at that time he was stationed here in Washington, 
D.C., and he was in the act of being transferred to Germany. 

Mr. Manl^el. And at the time the trial came up, he was unavailable 
as a witness ; is that correct ? 

Mr. Blackwell. The last trial. We held him over in the first trial. 
He appeared against them in the first trial, but we had to try them 
again later, after this testimony, and we couldn't get to him at that 
time. We couldn't get him home. 



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2242 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. ]M\NtTEL. You mentioned two trials. Would you please give the 
committee the results of the second trial ? 

Mr. Blackwell. We charged each one of them with a State statute 
of pointing a gim at a person. We tried McGriff because we had the 
best case against him. We tried McGriff in court. It resulted in a 
mistrial. There was nine members of the jury to find him guilty and 
three for acquitting him. So it ended up in a mistrial. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief, who served as the attorney for these five de- 
fendants in both trials? 

Mr. Blackwell. Mr. Bailey, from Jonesboro, started the trial with 
the city, and Mr. Venable, James Venable, came in a little later and 
he took up the trial, and both together represented the defendants. 

Mr. Manuel. What were the results of the second trial that was 
held? 

Mr. Blackwell. The second trial was the one that was held in the 
State court for pointing a gun, and they both represented them in that. 
Then the third part of it was nothing to that part except they for- 
feited $100 bond in court for the disorderly conduct part in connec- 
tion with the city. 

Mr. Manuel. "V^Hiat happened to the weapons that were confiscated 
by your department ? 

Mr. Blackwell. They obtained a court order, and we had to turn 
them back to them. 

Mr. Manuel. This was after the action of the third trial ? 

Mr. Blackwell. After the bond forfeiture in the third case. 

Mr. MvNUEL. Chief, going back to the original Saturday, April 24, 
1964, when this incident took place and you confiscated these arms 
which you have described, was the fact that these individuals had 
these arms a violation of the law at that time ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I couldn't say for sure that it would have been a 
violation. If these weapons had been automatic weapons, it would 
have been violation of Federal law. But we couldn't find any law 
where it was a violation of the law for them to possess them. 

Mr. Manuel. In other words, your understanding is that existing 
Georgia law indicates that possession of this type of weapons in the 
manner that they were possessed is not a violation as of the time of 
the arrest ; is that correct ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief, what happened to these men after they were 
released from jail? 

Mr. Blackwell. They came back — do you mean on bond ? 

Mr. Manuel. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Blackwell. I didn't ever see them any more until the day of 
the trial. 

Mr. Manuel. Has your investigation established that after release 
from jail they remained members of the United Klans of America? 

Mr. Blackwell. I don't know that, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you have knowledge of a group operating in the 
vicinity of Barnesville, Georgia, using the name of the Vigilantes? 

Mr. Blackwell. I have heard that. I don't know for sure. It is 
hearsay evidence. I have heard that. 

Mr. Manuel. Is it within your knowledge to know that John Max 
Mitchell and Colbert Raymond McGriff, two persons whom you 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2243 



arrested in Griffin, are among the leaders of this new organization 
called the Vigilantes ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I understand that, but I don't know for sure. I 
don't know of my own knowledge. 

Mr. Manuel. That is out of the area of your jurisdiction; is that 
correct ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir; it is out of the area of my jurisdiction. 
It is in another county. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief, would you explain to the committee, following 
the arrest of these five individuals and the disposition of their case, 
what is the current activity of the Ku Klux Klan in Griffin, Georgia? 

Mr. Blackavell. They moved outside the city. They are no longer 
in the city of Griffin. If they have a meeting place, I don't know of it. 
One of the head men of it runs a truck stop which is 4 or 5 miles north 
of Griffin. It is in Spalding County, but not in the city of Griffin. I 
see a little activity around that place. But if they hold meetings 
there, I don't know of it ; my own knowledge. 

Mr. Manuel. Do your records reflect who is the existing leader of 
group operating in the vicinity of Griffin, Georgia, although not in the 
area of your jurisdiction ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I would say Johnny Knowles and his father. I 
don't know which one is bigger, but they are both as big as there is 
in that organization. 

Mr. Manuel. Are they the same ones wdio were leaders at the time 
of the arrest of these five other individuals ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell, would you please explain to the 
committee what was the reason for the trial — the second trial of these 
defendants after the first trial ? 

Mr. Blackwell. The second trial was a violation of a State statute 
which was tried by the superior court. That involved pointing a gun 
at a person. 

Mr. Manuel. And what was the result of the trial again, sir ? 

Mr. Blackwell. That was a mistrial. 

Mr. Manuel. On what grounds? 

Mr. Blackwell. I don't know for sure. 

The Chairman. If it is a jury trial, it was in the minds of the jury. 
Was it a jury trial? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir; it was a jury trial. 

Tlie Chairman. And it resulted in a hung jury and a mistrial. 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell, in the photograph which you pre- 
sented to the committee showing members of the Ku Klux Klan 
marching in a picket line, you stated that you could identify the three 
members represented. 

I hand you this picture again (Blackwell Exhibit No. 2) and ask 
you to make those identifications, sir. 

Mr. Blackwell. The first one in the lavender robe was John W. 
Knowles. The second one was Mr. H. B. Kendrick. The third one 
was Mr. Donald Eugene Hudgens. 

Mr. Manuel. You stated that the five defendants were represented 
by Mr. James Venable ; is that correct ? 



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2244 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. At the time of the representation, did you know Mr. 
Venable to be an official of a Ku Klux Klan organiaztion ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I didn't know it for sure. I read it in the paper a 
lot of times. I didn't know Mr. Venable until this time. But I had 
read it in the paper for years. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, at this point, may I direct an inquiry 
to the investigator? 

James Venable is the Imperial Wizard of the National Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan ; is he not, Mr. Manuel ? 

Mr. Manuel. That is correct. 

Mr. Weltner. Is he not also chairman of sort of a federation of 
other Klan organizations? 

Mr. Manuel. The National Association of the Knights of the Ku 
Klux Klan ; yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Did he not at one point occupy the position of Im- 
perial Klonsel with the United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Manuel. Yes, sir ; up until the year 1962. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you. 

Mr. Pool. Chief, in your testimony a while ago, although I might 
have missed it, did you determine where these guns came from ? Was 
there any way to trace the ownership of the guns ? 

Mr. Black^vell. No, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Did you make an effort to trace them ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I know these .45 caliber Eagle guns are made in one 
of the New^ England States, either Connecticut or Massachusetts. It 
is advertised in the local peace officer magazines. I know the Law 
And Order magazine, the Chiefs^ magazine and some other magazines 
advertise them. 

Mr. Pool. Did you discuss this with the FBI and other law^ enforce- 
ment agencies ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. There is no way to trace them ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No way to trace them. 

Mr. Pool. What is your Georgia law on submachine guns? Would 
you call that a submachine gun ? Is it really a submachine gun ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir; it is not a machine gun. If it would shoot 
automatic fire it would be, but it won't shoot automatic fire. 

Mr. Pool. You wouldn't classify it as a submachine gan ? 

Mr. Blackwell. It looks like a machine gun. 

Mr. Pool. It is used to scare people ? 

Mr. Blackwell. It has a lot of fire power. 

Mr. Pool. A'NHiat is the Georgia law on submachine guns ? 

Mr. Blackwell. That would be a Federal law, sir. 

Mr. Pool. A while ago, I think you said the court ordered these 
arms to be given back to these people. 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. What was the judge's name that gave that order? 

Mr. Blackwell. Judge Magee, in superior court. 

Mr. Pool. Wliat is he ? 

Mr. Blackwell. He is a superior court judge. 

Mr. Pool. There are not any of them really illegal ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2245 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

The Chairman. May I interrupt? 

Mr. Pool. Yes. 

The Chairman. In other words, the judge responded to an order 
made to him and he signed it under existing law. 

Mr. Blackwell. That is right, sir. 

Mr. Pool, But if it had been a submachine gun, he wouldn't have 
signed it. 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. It would have been a Federal case if 
it had been a submachine gun. 

Mr. Pool. Let me ask you this: These hearings have been going 
on 2 or 3 weeks here, and we are getting so many witnesses up here 
taking the fifth amendment that it is refreshm^ to have a cooperative 
Avitness, such as you are, and an outstanding police officer in the South. 

Do you have any recommendations to make to the committee about 
possible new legislation that would help in combating the efforts or 
activities of the Ku Klux Klan or other organizations like that? 

Mr. Blackwell. I would be in favor of having records made, even 
on the weapon I carry, to have it registered with some agency. In 
that way you could always trace ownership. I would be in favor of 
making it a little hard for people to get those kinds of guns. 

Mr. Pool. Of course, it is quite a controversial issue in the Congress. 
I recognize there are two sides to the argument. Registration of guns, 
serial numbers and things like that, would make it easier to trace the 
ownership. 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Well, how about the guns that are stolen and things 
like that ? You would still run into a blank wall ; wouldn't you. 

Mr. Blackwell. That is where, when we find a stolen gun, we would 
have something to trace it back to. In the case of a murder, a stolen 
gun used in a murder, we can trace that gun back to the original owner. 
I think it would be a great thing. 

Mr. Pool. One of tlie purposes of this investigation is to find out 
if there is a possible loophole in the law that ought to be closed. That 
is what we are up here for, to try to determine during the investiga- 
tion, and if we can get recommendations, I appreciate your making 
the recommendations. 

Mr. Blackwell. I understand the firearms companies and the Na- 
tional Rifle Association and several people are fighting it. 

Mr. Pool. That is all, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I have one further pomt. 

Chief Blackwell, to your direct knowledge, does any member of the 
Ku Klux Klan in the vicinity of Griffin, Georgia, hold an elective posi- 
tion in that area? 

Mr. Blackwell. We have one; yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please identify the member and what 
position he holds? 

Mr. Blackwell. His name is J. W. Knowles, and he is a bailiff. 

Mr. Manuel. And he is the head of a local Klan unit? 

Mr. Blackwell. I wouldn't say he is the head, but he is an officer in 
it. I believe he is listed as secretary-treasurer of it. But in the last 
12 or 13 years he has never had any opposition. 



2246 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. "VVliere is he a bailiff, sir? 

Mr. Blackwell. In one of the districts on the west side of the 
county. I don't remember exactly which one it is. 

Mr. Manuel. It is out of the area of your jurisdiction; is it not? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. In your job as chief of police, liave you ever been threat- 
ened or have any efforts been made to intimidate you ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

Mr. Pool. No one has tried that? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Chief Blackwell, I would like to welcome you as a 
fellow Georgian to this committee, and I want to thank you for ap- 
pearing and testifying. 

I think the committee ought to know that Chief Blackwell enjoys 
a reputation in our State as one of the outstanding law enforcement 
officers of the State. The manner in which he discharges his duties 
is an example that all might well follow. 

I thank you for coming. 

The photograph you have brought is a very dramatic one. Just so 
there will be no question about the identification, in the right corner 
of the picture there appears to be a cross covered with some sort of 
burlap material which has seemingly been burned. I take it that was 
the cross? 

Mr. Blackwell. That was the cross that was burned. 

Mr. Weltner. In front of the Cleanwell Pressing Club on the 24th 
of April 1964? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. You initiated a case in the municipal court of the 
city of Griffin. WTiat was the charge stemming from the burning of 
that cross ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Disorderly conduct. To do an act that is detri- 
mental to the morals, safety, or welfare of the community constitutes 
disorderly conduct. 

Mr. Weltner. Do you consider burning a cross to be such an act, 
detrimental to the safety and welfare ? 

Mr, Blackwell. Yes, sir; I certainly do. The fire could have 
gotten out of control and burned up the building. People get excited 
about things like that. I think they violated the laws. 

Mr. Weltner. So there is a fire hazard, but in addition to that, 
a hazard brought about by the very act of burning a cross ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. I take it that is because of the long connection that 
a burning cross or flaming cross has with the Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. It is a violation of State law to burn a 
cross on public property, and I understand that in order to burn one 
on private property you have to have the property owner's permission. 

Mr. Weltner. This was on public property ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. It was on the city street. 

Mr. Pool. Is that under the arson statute ? 

Mr. Blackwell. It is under the State law. I don't think it comes 
under the arson part of it. 

Mr. Weltner, I believe you testified that picketing there in Grifl^ 
had been going on for 3 or 4 months prior to April 24, 1964. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2247 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. And you brought several photographs of individuals 
who were picketing. I take it they were picketing because of policies 
pertaining to lunch counters or some such matter, which generated a 
lot of picketing over the South a year or so ago. 

Mr, Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr, Weltner, Do you know whether these pickets were people 
from Griffin ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir; each one of the kids there was from 
Griffin. 

Mr. Weltner. I liave here 16 photographs of what appear to be 
young Negroes bearing placards, and you say that each of these are 
Griffin citizens ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Did I gather that you said that each of the five 
men arrested were residents of either Fulton County or DeKalb 
County ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Monroe County and Lamar County. 

Mr, Weltner. There were no Spaldmg County residents there ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, sir. 

Mr, Weltner. As a Southern man somewhat familiar with some of 
the difficult situations facing the South, I am also familiar with the re- 
actions that come from situations like this. A veiy familiar phrase 
we hear quite frequently is "outside agitators." I wonder who the out- 
side agitators in this instance were ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I don't know. In interrogating these men and so 
on, we never did find out exactly if they came on their own or if they 
were sent for by the local Klan, or what. We never did find that out. 

Mr. Weltner. But in any event, the five Klansmen who were ar- 
rested in comiection with that incident were all from outside of the city 
of Griffin and county of Spalding? 

Mr. Blackavell. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you again, Chief Blackwell, for being with us. 

Mr, Buchanan. I would like to join in expressing appreciation for 
your testimony. Chief Blackwell. It is a refreshing change. 

I would like to say, although I don't have a question for you, in re- 
sponse to my colleague from Texas, on questions about the registration 
of weapons, since the Constitution does give citizens the right to have 
and bear amis and since so many sportsmen, gun collectors, and others 
in this country innocently and without any wrongdoing avail them- 
selves of this constitutional privilege, I personally am pretty sure I 
would resist any efforts to pass Federal law requiring registration of 
arms. 

But may I say, in the event that the activities of the Klan are a fac- 
tor in bringing about the passage of such law, I hope the ire of the 
sportsmen and gun collectors will be properly directed to the Ku Klux 
Klan rather than the Congress. 

Mr, Manuel. Chief Blackwell, of the items confiscated by your de- 
partment on the 24th of April 1964, you mentioned, and the photo- 
graph shows, several w^alkie-talkie-type instruments. Did your de- 
partment observe the use of these by Ku Klux Klan members? 

Mr. Blackw^ell. Yes, sir. During the time that they were picket- 
ing, they kept two men at the point where they could observe the 



2248 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

picketing. These two men belonged to some kind of branch of it that 
is supposed to protect the other part of it. 

Mr. Manuel. Were they security guards ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Security guards or something to that effect. I 
remember they wore some type of helmet and they wore about half of 
a Sam Brown belt with a flashlight, a great big three-cell flashlight in 
that Sam Brown, and they had these walkie-talkie radios. 

There wasn't any violation, but to us it looked kind of funny, any- 
body walking around in the daytime with a three-cell flashlight. 

Mr. Manuel. These were used by the Klansmen who were involved 
in the picketing ; is that correct ? 

Mr. Blackwell. No, by the ones who were guarding the ones who 
were picketing. These men stood around where they could see what 
was going on. In case anything happened, I suppose they would have 
gotten into it. 

Mr. Manuel. And there were two-way radios confiscated from the 
cars which also contained the weapons ; is that correct ? 

Mr. Blackwell. That is correct ; two. 

Mr. Manuel. Did your department observe those particular two- 
way radios in use by the defendants ? 

Mr. Blackwell. I don't know if those were the two we had seen 
prior to this incident, but we had seen other men with radios just like 
them. Wliether or not they had used these particular two, I don't 
know. 

The Chairman. Chief, we want to thank you for being here today. 
In my opening statement I referred to the information supplied by 
our investigators, in whom we have complete confidence. I stated 
that the vast majority of law enforcement officers in the South are 
completely devoted to their duty as law enforcement officers. 

I understand from what you said that you had some training back- 
ground with the FBI. 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. As a law enforcement officer ? 

Mr. Blackwell. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman, I happen to know of that service rendered by the 
FBI to local law officers who want to improve their techniques and 
proper law enforcement procedures. I am glad to say that I have 
assisted many law enforcement officers in my congressional district 
to attend that school. 

You are a credit to the FBI system. As I say, I am convinced, 
completely convinced, that the vast majority of Southern law enforce- 
ment officers are devoted to duty. From what I know from our investi- 
gators, and taking the word of Mr. Weltner from Georgia, you are a 
particularly outstanding law enforcement officer. Again we thank 
you very much. 

Mr. Blackwell. Thank you, sir. 

The Chairman. The committee will stand in recess for a few 
minutes. 

(Wliereupon at 11 :25 a.m. a short recess was taken with the follow- 
ing subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Pool, 
Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will be in order. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2249 

The Chair announces that the subcommittee will stand in recess 
until 2 o'clock this afternoon. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, and Buchanan.) 

(Whereupon, at 11:30 a.m., Tuesday, November 2, 1965, the sub- 
connnittee recessed, to reconvene at 2 p.m. the same da<y.) 

AFTERNOON SESSION— TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 1965 

(The subcommittee reconvened at 2:13 p.m., Hon. Edwin E. Willis, 
chairman, presiding.) 

(Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Pool, and 
Weltner.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will please come to order. 

Mr. Manuel, call your next witness. 

Mr. Manuel. The stati would like to call at this time, Mr. Chair- 
man, Mr. Allen Bayne. 

The Chairman. Raise your right hand. 

Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give will be 
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Bayne. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF ALLEN LEE BAYNE, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, would you state your full name for the 
record, please? 

Mr. Bayne. Allen Lee Bayne. 

Mr. Manuel. Isthat B-a-y-n-e? 

Mr. Bayne. Correct. 

Mr. Manuel. Wlien and where were you born, Mr. Bayne ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
for the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incrimi- 
nate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 
5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were born on the 23d day of January 1928, in 
Etowah County, Alabama. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
for the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incrim- 
inate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amend- 
ments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of 
America. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliat is your occupation, sir ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as" guaranteed to me by amendments 
5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, are you represented today by counsel? 

Mr. Bayne. Yes, I am. 

Mr. Manuel. Would counsel please identify himself for the record? 



2250 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, have you ever been a member of a Ku 
Klux Klan organization? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that for a period prior to April 24, 1964, and 
including April 24, 1964, and for a period of time subsequent to 
April 24, 1964, you were a member of the United Klans of America. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, I hand you a copy of an application for 
citizenship in the Invisible Empire, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, 
United Klans of America, Inc., and ask you to examine this document 
and tell this committee whether you have ever executed a copy of that 
application. 

Mr. Bayne, Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Richard Constantineau Exhibit 
No. 3.") 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, were you present today during the testi- 
mony of Chief Leo Blackwell, of Griffin, Georgia ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, I am not certain whether he was or 
was not present. May I inquire of the witness with respect to that 
point, and state to the chairman ? 

The Chairman. Yes. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, I am informed that he was not in 
the committee room ; that he Avas outside in the chamber. 

The Chairman. All right. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, Chief Blackwell testified this morning 
before the committee that you were arrested on April 24, 1964, as a 
member of the Ku Klux Klan on the charge of burning a cross in 
front of a business establishment called the Cleanwell Pressing Club 
in Griffin, Georgia. Was Chief Blackwell's testimony 

The Chairman. Distinguish between the city proceedings and the 
State proceedings. There were two proceedings filed. One was under 
State law and one was under city ordinance. 

Mr. Manuel. I specifically directed the question to the charge of 
burning a cross before a business establishment. 

The Chairman. All right. 

Mr. Manuel. My question to you, Mr. Bayne, is. Was Chief Black- 
well's testimony correct ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, do you have 

The Chairman. Mr. Bayne, the chief of police of Griffin, Georgia, 
Mr. Blackwell, under oath, like you, and under the pains and penalties 
of perjury if he didn't tell the truth, did so swear. Now you are being 
given an opportunity to affirm or deny his testimony. 

In this way the record would be made and if your testimony was in 
the negative, I want to tell you that I wouldn't hesitate to refer the 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2251 

mutter to the Department of Justice for perjury prosecution against 
either you or the chief. Here is your opportunity to speak out while 
you are under oath. 

Do you wish to answer tliat question ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, do you have a criminal record ? 

Mr. Bayxe. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell provided to the committee from his 
files a record for Allen Lee Bayne. I would like to call your attention 
to the last six entries on this record. 

That on 10-18-52 you were arrested for burglary in the second degree 
and grand larceny, sentenced to 3 years and 1 day ; on 3-13-57 you were 
arrested on a charge of grand larceny, sentenced to 1 year and 1 day ; 
3-14-57 you were arrested on a charge of grand larceny and the sen- 
tence was 1 year and 1 day ; on the 29th day of March 1957 you were 
charged with burglary in the second degree and sentenced to 1 year 
and 1 day ; on 7-29-57 you were charged with escape from a peniten- 
tiary and sentenced to 13 months in jail. 

I hand you this record, Mr. Bayne, and ask you to advise the com- 
mittee as to whether it is correct or not. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that you did, sometime subsequent to 1957, 
execute an application form for the Invisible Empire, United Klans 
of America, Inc. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. In applying for citizenship in the Invisible Empire 
of the United Klans of America, did you at any time inform any of 
the leaders or officers of the United Klans of America of your crimi- 
nal background? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. To your knowledge, Mr. Bayne, what investigation 
was made of your background by any leader or officer of the United 
Klans of America ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, Chief Blackwell testified this morning 
that arrested with you on the 24th day of April 1964 were John Mitch- 
ell, Colbert Raymond McGriff, Thomas R. Carlyle, and Oliver C. 
Sanders. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
you knew the four men mentioned as members of the United Klans of 
America, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell further testified this morning that, 
to his knowledge, all five men arrested, including yourself, were from 
an area outside of Griffin, Georgia. 



2252 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

My question to you, sir, is: Were any instructions given by any 
leader or officer of the United Klans to any one or all of the five per- 
sons involved, including yourself, to go to Griffin, Georgia, to engage 
in an act of intimidation ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell further testified, Mr. Bayne, that 
you were one of the persons who got out of a car in front of the Clean- 
well Pressing Club and actually lit, or aided in the lighting of, a cross 
which was burned in front of the Cleanwell Pressing Club. 

Is this testimony correct ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Mr. Bayne, I have before me a pamphlet entitled 
"The Principle of the United Klans of America, Knights of The Ku 
Klux Klan." In it, among other subdivisions, is the heading "Ideals 
of a Klansman," what the Klan believes m, and so on. 

I read you this passage, and I take it that this pamphlet is an 
official document distributed to its members, and on its face it was 
issued out of the headquarters of the Imperial Wizard, Robert M. 
Shelton, in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and the part I read is as follows: 

We believe in law and order : In other words, the Klan believes in keeping the 
laws and in enforcing the laws. Many accusations have been brought against the 
Klan as law-breakers. Tliese accusations against the order are purely newspaper 
propaganda. So far we have not heard of a single instance where the Klan, 
by an oflBcial act, has violated any law. 

I state to you again that Chief Blackwell, under oath, said that you 
not only violated the law, but that you were prosecuted for the viola- 
tion. So it is not a question of the generality of these ideals, but here 
is an instance of law violation brought against you personally. 

Was Chief Blackwell telling the truth or was he falsifying? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Allen Bayne Exhibit No. 1." Tliis exhibit will 
be reproduced in a forthcoming report on Klan organizations.) 

(At this point Mr. Buchanan entered the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. All right. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, Chief Blackwell, in his testimony this 
morning, further stated that the Cleanwell Pressing Club, in front of 
whicli was burned a cross by you, was owned by two brothers, Raymond 
and Otis Head, whom he further identified as having met with a civil 
rights council in the city of Griffin prior to April 24, 1964. 

Mr. Bayne, I would like to ask you why was the cross burned in front 
of Mr. Head's business establishment? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, I j^ut it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that this cross was burned in front of Mr. 
Head's business establishment because he was a leader and a member 
of the biracial committee to integrate certain facilities in Griffin, 
Georgia, and because he was a Negro. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2253 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell further testified this morning that 
two cars were involved in this incident. One was a 1956 Chevrolet, 
two-door, black in color, bearing 1964 Georgia tags number 1-3055. 
Investigation conducted by his department revealed that that particu- 
lar automobile was registered in the name of A. Bayne, of 8 Glendale 
Place, Atlanta, Georgia. 

I show you these two documents, Mr. Bayne, and ask you if you are 
the A. Bayne who owned that 1956 Chevrolet. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Docmnent marked "Allen Bayne Exhibit No. 2" and retained m 
committee files.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, taken from that automobile, taken from, 
the two automobiles, were what the chief described as a small arsenal 
consisting of the weapons which he showed pictured in a photograph 
which I now show you. 

(Photograph handed to witness.) 

Mr. Manuel. My question to you, Mr. Bayne : Were these weapons 
taken from care, one of which was owned by yourself ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograph previously marked "Leo Blackwell Exhibit No. 1.") 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell, as further indicated in his records, 
stated that one of these semiautomatic machineguns was owned by you. 
Mr. Bayne, I would like to ask you where did you obtain this weapon? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliere did the other Klan members obtain their re- 
spective weapons ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell further testified that after the dis- 
position of the case the Klansmen came back to Griffin, Georgia, and 
reclaimed the weapons. Do you know what has happened since to 
those weapons ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Blackwell further testified that after your arrest 
on Saturday night, you were visited by Grand Dragon Calvin Craig, 
Mr. Kobert Bing, and Mr. Wesley Bailey. What was your conversa- 
tion with Calvin Craig that Saturday night ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
u]3on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did Calvin Craig advise you and the other defendants 
that the United Klans of America would aid in your defense? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did Mr. Craig advise you, or did any other member 
of his party, that is, Mr. Bing or Mr. Bailey, advise you that a fund 
would be collected from the members of the United Klans of America 
for your defense ? 



2254 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that a fund was raised for your defense. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. And that fund Avas raised by voluntary contributions 
by other members of the United Klans of America in the Realm of 
Georgia. 

I put it to you as a fact and ask you to affinn or deny that fact. 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bayne, have you ever been a member of an organ- 
ization know as the Vigilantes, which operated out of the area of 
Bamesville, Georgia, in Lamar Comity ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know that Colbert Raymond McGriff and 
John Mitchell, the two persons arrested with you on the 24th day of 
April 1964, were leaders of this group called the Vigilantes? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know an individual by the name of Johnny 
Terrell to be a member of the Vigilantes ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know Oliver Sanders to be a member of the 
Vigilantes ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know Earl Holcomb to be a member of the 
Vigilantes ? 

Mr. Bayne, Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that ({uestion based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know Joseph Simms to be a member of the 
Vigilantes? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you know Cecil Meyers to be a member of the 
Vigilantes? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you know of any activity on the part of members 
of the Vigilantes to collect and store arms in the area of Barnesville, 
Georgia ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you know any member of the Vigilantes who has 
engaged in any acts of intimidation or acts of violence? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2255 

Mr. Pool. The committee does not appreciate your lack of coopera- 
tion here today. You have a right to take the fifth amendment, how- 
ever, and we recognize tliat. 

The Chairman. Mr. Buchanan? 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Chairman, in light of some of the contents 
which I have just read from this propaganda sheet put in our hands 
concerning the principle of the United Klans of America, and in light 
of the evidence that has been brought out concerning the activities of 
this witness, I want to point to the fact that this paper states: 

We believe in God and the tenets of the Christian religion, and that a Godless 
nation cannot long prosper. 

The Christian religion is founded on the teaching of Jesus Christ. An infidel 
or a person who rejects Jesus Christ and His teachings, cannot be a true Klans- 
man. And the nation that rejects God and His word is sure to reap calamity of 
some kind. 

We believe that a church that is not founded on the principles of morality and 
justice is a mockery to God and man. 

There are churches, so-called, that do not require a high standard of morality 
and justice from their membership. Men who accept the teachings of such 
churches cannot be Klansmen, in the true sense of the word. The genuine 
Christian is both moral and just. 

It seems to me that I recall when asked what the greatest command- 
ment was, Jesus Christ said to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, 
strength, and your neighbor. Then to a question as to who your neigh- 
bor was, He responded by pointing to the example of a Samaritan, 
who to his hearers was a person to w^hom they felt the same kind of 
racial prejudice as some people feel toward the Negroes in our country 
today. 

I point that up because a Klansman, it says here, is supposed to 
follow the teachings of Jesus and cannot be a true Klansman miless 
he does. I guess this means he should love the colored people. 

He said further that "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." 

This being the case, I wonder if your weapons and your activities 
are an expression of your love toward your neighbor. 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Chairman, I would like to state that I didn't 
mean to have a Sunday school lesson here, but if this is an expression 
of Christianity, may the world be spared from the heathens. 

That is all I can say. 

Mr. Manuel. I would like to state for the record that Mr. Allen 
Lee Bayne is appearing before the committee today in response to a 
subpena served by Deputy Marshal Koberts on October 18, at approxi- 
mately 1 p.m., at Glencoe, Alabama. 

Is that correct, Mr. Bayne ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Manuel. That is all, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Mr. Bayne, in this pamphlet I showed you a while 
ago, "The Principle of the United Klans of America, Knights of 
the Ku Klux Klan," that organization takes a good deal of credit for 
the preservation of law and order and enforcement of the statutes, 
and so on. 



2256 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

It says: 

Deaths by mob violence have fallen off very materially since the advent of 
the Klan. The Klan believes in law-enforcement and if a person has committed 
a crime the law should take its course. 

Do you believe in that ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Do you believe that you were unjustly or unlaw- 
fully prosecuted ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The pamphlet goes on to say, "We will follow the 
teachings of the Bible * * *." 

Does the Bible have anything to say about it being Christian and 
good to go around with concealed weapons or in a car carrying weapons 
for purposes of acts of violence ? Is that consistent with the Bible ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. I see you take the news media to task in that same 
pamphlet, which is distributed to your membership : 

The press should be free to spread news without coloring it to suit any person 
or sect : But such is not the case, scarcely a newspaper anywhere dares to pub- 
lish the truth : the whole truth and nothing but the truth. * * * 

Then it goes on to say that the press is controlled by certain religions, 
and so on. 

Do you believe in a free press ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Then I have another pamphlet issued out of your 
Tuscaloosa headquarters. It is entitled "The Seven Symbols of The 
Klan." 

One is the Bible, another the cross, another the flag, another the 
sword, another the water, another the robe, another the hood. Under 
the sword, I quote this : 

This unsheathed sword of steel is a symbol of law enforcement. It represents 
the military, or enforcement powers of our government from the president 
down to the constable. Its presence on our sacred altar signifies that we, as an 
organization, are solidly behind every enforcement officer in the land * * *. 

and so on. 

Does the Klan really cooperate with law enforcement officers ? 

Mr. Bayne. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Allen Bayne Exhibit No. 3." This exhibit will 
be reproduced in a forthcoming report on Klan organizations.) 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and released from his sub- 
pena. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. Manuel. At this time the staff would like to call Mr. Wesley 
Bailey. 

The Chairman. Please raise your ri^ht hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testmiony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Bailey. I do. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2257 

TESTIMONY OF WESLEY GUY BAILEY II, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, would you state your full name for the 
record, sir ? 

Mr. Bailey. Wesley Guy Bailey II. 

Mr. Manuel. Wlien and where were you born, Mr. Bailey? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you w^ere born on the 1st day of September 1927 in Okla- 
homa City, Oklahoma. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, are you represented today by counsel? 

Mr. Bailey. Yes, I am. 

Mr. Manuel. Would counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law. Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, what is your present occupation ? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you are an attorney at law with offices at 193-195 
Highway 54, in Jonesboro, Georgia. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliere do you currently reside, Mr. Bailey? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that you currently reside at 167 Dixie Drive, Jones- 
boro, Georgia. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you currently a member of a Ku Klux Klan or- 
ganization, Mr. Bailey ? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The committee will stand in recess for 5 minutes. 
(Wliereupon at 2 :48 p.m. the subcommittee recessed and reconvened 
at 2 :55 p.m. Subcommittee members present at time of recess : Rep- 
resentatives Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Buchanan and when hearings 
resumed: Representatives Willis, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will come to order. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point I would like to state for 
the record that the committee investigation has established that 
Mr. Bailey is currently a member of the United Klans of America, 
Realm of "Georgia; further, that the is a member of Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52; further, that as of January 1965 he held the office 



2258 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

of klokard in that Klavern ; and, further, he is identified as the treas- 
urer of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. 

Are the results of the committee investigation correct, Mr. Bailey? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Further, Mr. Chairman, I would like to state for the 
record that Mr. Bailey was one of the original incorporators of the 
Clayton Civic Club. 

Is that correct, Mr. Bailey ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, I show you a copy of a charter filed in the 
Superior Court of Clayton County, State of Georgia, dated 5 January 
1965, the first paragraph of which says the following: 

The petition of Fred Hand, Route 3, College Park, Georgia ; D. E. Bruce, Box 
117, Jonesboro, Georgia ; W. G. Bailey, 167 Dixie Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia ; B. 
J. Hand, Route 3, Jonesboro, Georgia ; Roy Meadows, 114 Lake Drive, Jonesboro, 
Georgia ; Henry Hand, Johnson Road, Forest Pai'k, Georgia ; and J. W. Wells, 
125 Tanglewood Dr., Jonesboro, Georgia, all of whom are residents of Clayton 
County, Georgia, respectfully shows to the Court : 

et cetera. 

I would like to show you this document, Mr. Bailey, and ask you 
if you are the W. G. Bailey of 167 Dixie Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia, 
who is listed thereon. 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline an answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Wesley Bailey Exhibit No. 1.") 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, are you appearing before the committee 
today in response to a subpena served upon you at 12 :30 p.m. on the 
11th day of October 1965 by Deputy Marshal Camp ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated, Mr. Chairman, that he is here 
as a result of a subpena and the return thereon speaks for itself. 

(At this point Mr. Pool entered the hearing room.) 

The Chair3ian. And it states the facts ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, paragraph 1 of that subpena requires 
you to produce : 

AH books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and aflFairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. and aflSliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service, 
State Mens Club, Clayton County Klavern #52, and Clayton Civic Club, Inc. in 
your possession, custody or control or maintained by you or available to you as 
an officer of Clayton Civic Club, Inc., and County Klavern # 52 of the Invisible 
Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also 
known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you at this point, Mr. Bailey, to produce the documents as out- 
lined in paragraph 1 of your subpena. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 



ACTWITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2259 

October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane to 
the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Reso- 
lution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner left the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. Mr. Counsel, I offer to make the following stipula- 
tion : ( 1 ) That the witness has been furnished a copy of the chairman's 
opening statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its 
contents; (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the docu- 
ments called for are made to the witness in the official representative 
capacity described in the subpena. 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated, Mr. Chairman. 

(At this point Mr. Weltner returned to the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. Mr. Bailey, the committee does not accept your 
grounds for refusing to produce the documents called for by the sub- 
pena. I accordingly direct you to produce the documents. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to produce to the committee the 
documents ordered and demanded by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Counsel, I take it that the same stipulation applies 
to tliis part of his subpena ? 

Mr. Chalmers. "With respect to paragraph 1 ; yes, sir. I don't think 
there has been a demand or an order with respect to paragraph 2. 
But with respect to paragraph 1, the stipulation that the chairman 
and myself have heretofore entered into certainly applies to this wit- 
ness; yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Under the circumstances, Mr. Bailey, I order and 
direct you to produce the documents. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, may I state I believe there has been 
a demand witli respect to paragraph 1 ; is that correct ? 

The Chairman. What he is saying, Mr. Manuel, is that you posed 
the question but you didn't make the demand. 

Mr. Manuel. I asked him to produce all books, records, and so forth, 
as outlined in paragraph 1. 

Mr. Chalmers. I think there was a demand with respect to para- 
graph 1. I think there was an order by the chairman with respect 
to paragraph 1. I think there was a declination by the witness with 
respect thereto. 

The Chairman. We can avoid this. Ask him to produce the docu- 
ments called for in paragraph 2. 

Mr. Manuel. I haven't read paragraph 2 yet. 

Mr. Chalmers. I think you are a little bit premature, Mr. Chairman, 
we have not gotten to paragraph 2. 

The Chairman. He was directed to answer paragraph 2. 



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2260 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Now paragraph 2 of your supena calls for you to 
produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as officer of Clayton County Klavem #52, of the United Klaus of America, 
Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said 
organization authorize and require to be maintained by you and any other of- 
ficial of said organization, the same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I ask you now, Mr. Bailey, to produce the documents as outlined 
in paragraph 2. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, with respect to paragraph 2 we shall 
enter into the same stipulation with the chairman that we entered 
into with respect to paragraph 1 and with respect to the other wit- 
nesses that we have also entered into. 

The Chairman. Thank you very much. 

Under the circumstances, Mr. Bailey, I will order and direct you 
to produce the documents. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliat is the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. ? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., is a front organization 
set up by Clayton Klavem No. 52 of the United Klans of America, 
Kealm of Georgia, and that all officers of the Clayton Civic Club are 
also members and officers of Clayton Klavern No. 52 of the United 
Klans of America. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that on February 9, 1965, you were elected 
treasurer of the Clayton Civic Club at a meeting held in February 
1965. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you were installed as the klokard of Clayton 
Klavern No. 52 of the United Klans of America at a meeting held 
on January 11, 1965, at Jonesboro, Georgia. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman? 

The Chairman. Mr. Weltner. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Bailey, I have been concerned over a radio and 
television report from Atlanta concerning this organization, the Clay- 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2261 

ton Civic Club, Inc. On October 19, the current investigation opened 
here and the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., was identified by the investi- 
gators as a cover name or front name for a Klavern of the United 
Klans of America, operating in Clayton County, Georgia. 

That evening after that matter was disseminated in the public press, 
an individual — and I don't know the name of the individual — called 
into the radio-television media in Atlanta and stated that that was not 
the case, that tlie Clayton Civic Club, Inc., was not a front organiza- 
tion for the Ku Klux Klan. 

I am most anxious that no error be made in identifying any indi- 
vidual as a member of the Klan when that person is not a member, and 
I am equally concerned that we do not undertake to identify an organi- 
zation as a klan organization when it is not a Klan organization. 

I have in front of me the charter that has as one of the incorporators 
of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., W. G. Bailey, 167 Dixie Drive, 
Jonesboro, Georgia. 

My question is simply this: Is the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., a 
unit of the United Klans of America or of any other Klan organiza- 
tion? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Mr. Bailey, this charter is obviously made under 
the laws " of Georgia permitting the incorporation of nonbusiness 
coq^orations. This particular one states one of the objectives of the 
corporation to be : 

The corporation is organized and shall be operated for the purpose of promoting 
the Civic and Social AVelfare and the betterment of the County and State ; To aid 
in the future progress of the County and State ; to aid in the relief of distress and 
poverty of the needy ; and to assist other charitable, religious, and educational 
organizations. 

The applicants for this charter, according to the petition preceding 
the recitations of the charter, are stated to be Fred Hand, D. E. Bruce, 
W. G. Bailey, B. J. Hand, Roy Meadows, and so on. 

In instance after instance in these hearings we have had people 
applying for charters as gun clubs, civic clubs, fishing clubs, and 
whatever. 

The point is that people who are not Klansmen could well have been 
hoodwinked into believing that group to be what it purports to be 
Avhen, in fact, it is just a phony, a front, a cover, for a Klan unit. That 
is the point. 

You are a lawyer. Now you are being given the opportunity under 
oath to say whether or not this is a front, a phony, coverup charter to 
serve the purposes of a Klan unit. 

Is our information, which has been presented to you, true or false? 
Now is the time to speak, to let the people of the great State of Georgia 
and the county involved know. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds as previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, as the treasurer of the Clayton Civic 
Club, Inc., I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that all officers of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., are known by you 
to be members of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia. 



2262 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The president of that organization is Mr. Fred Hand. 
Do you know Mr. Hand to be a member of the United Klans of Amer- 
ica, Eealm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you know him to be a member of Clayton County 
KlavernNo.52? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
ujDon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. With further regard to the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., 
Mr. Henry Hand is the vice president of that organization. I put it 
to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that Mr. Henry 
Hand is also a member of the United Klans of America, Realm of 
Georgia, and a member of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. J. W. Wells is the secretary of the Clayton Civic 
Club, Inc. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that you know Mr. J. W. Wells to be a member of the United 
Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, and a member and officer of 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mr. Wells is the klaliff, or secretary, of Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mr. Daniel Bruce, who was also an original incorporator 
of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., is known by you to be the klokann 
chief of Klavern No. 52 and an instructor at the judo school conducted 
by Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mr. B. J. Hand is a member of the Clayton Civic Club, 
Inc., and is known by you to be the klabee, or treasurer, of Clayton 
Comity Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Another original incorporator is Mr. Roy Meadows. 
I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
Mr. Roy Meadows is a member of the United Klans of America, 
Realm of Georgia, and a member of Chiyton County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, have you ever attended and received in- 
struction in judo, karate, and demolition at training courses sponsored 
by Clayton County Klavern No. 52 of the United Klans of America of 
the Realm of Georgia ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2263 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to afHnn or deny 
the fact, that you were present at a military training session held by 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52, United Klans of America, Inc., on 
August 2.5, 1963, near McDonough, Georgia, at which session there 
was a 2-liour 15-minute training and practice in judo. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. At this point I would like to ask you who were the 
instructors at that session ? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were also present at a military training session 
held by the Clayton County No. 52 Klavern on September 1, 1963, near 
McDonough, Georgia, at which session there was taught instruction 
in the use of a knife and how^ to defend yourself from a knife attack. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you also attended a military training session in judo 
held by the Clayton County No. 52 Klavern near McDonough, Geor- 
gia, on November 24, 1963. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the groimds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Who were the instructors at that training session, 
Mr. Bailey? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were also present at a meeting sponsored by the 
Clayton County No. 52 Klavern of the United Klans of America 
on October 17, 1964, which meeting was held on the farm of Robert 
L. Bing, in Henry County, Georgia. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manltel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Robert L. Bing is the exalted cyclops of Clayton County 
No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. ]VL\NUEL. Further with regard to the meeting on October 17, 
1964, the committee investigation has established that the purpose of 
this meeting was how to learn to assemble and disassemble the M-1 
rifle, how to make Molotov cocktails using bottles filled with a mixture 
of gasoline and motor oil, and how to make small bombs from dynamite. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the result of the committee investigation is correct. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2264 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the instructors on October 17, 1964, were Daniel Bruce 
and Charles M. Bartlett. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Charles M. Bartlett is the grand klarogo of the Realm of 
Georgia, United Klans of America. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Daniel Bruce is the klokann chief of Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. With further regard to the demonstration given on 
October lY, 1964, the committee investigation has established that a 
demonstration was given by the instructors on that day in rigging a 
booby trap, using a string stretched across a path in the woods. There 
also was a demonstration in making various types of fuses with which 
to ignite dynamite bombs. Included in the instruction was a problem 
in guerrilla warfare in which the group considered problems of taking 
over a radio station and a power plant. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you participated in a 3-hour military training session held 
by Clayton County Klavern No. 52 near McDonough, Georgia, on 
January 31, 1965, at which the training consisted of instruction and 
practice with pistols, various caliber pistols being used, including a .22, 
.38, and .45. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I now show you a copy of a bulletin put out on which 
the name of Calvin F. Craig, Grand Dragon, Realm of Georgia, is im- 
printed, with the heading "United Klans of America, Inc., Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan, P.O. Box 10753, Atlanta, Georgia," dated Jan- 
uary 17, 1965, stating: 

Esteemed Klansmen : 

We will start Judo, Karate, and Rifle and Pistol firing training on Monday, 
•January 25, 196i>, at the Henry County #60 Klavern. 

Four (4) trophies have already been purchased by Klayton #52 Klavern. 
There will be a trophy for each of the above classes. 

Everyone who participates in the training MUST sign a release of all re- 
sponsibilities. 

Each participant will pay $2.50 to cover 214 months of training. This train- 
ing is sponsored by Klayton #52. Contact #52 for any further information. 

Imprinted are the initials "I.T.S.U.B." and the name "Calvin F. 
Craif, Grand Dragon, Realm of Georgia." 

I hand you this, Mr. Bailey, and ask you if you were one of the 
"Esteemed Klansmen" who received s\ich a notice. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2265 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
uf)on the grounds previously stated. 

{Document previously marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 1.'' See 
p. 2161.) 

Mr. Manuel. Did you attend as a member of the Clayton County 
KlavernNo.52 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question 

Mr. Manuel. I haven't finished the question. 

Have you attended as a member of Clayton County Klavern No. 52 
any judo, karate, rifle- or pistol-firing training as initiated by this 
document? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that quesion based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were present at a meeting of Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 held on June 29, 1964, at the Lake City Com- 
mmiity House in Lake City, Georgia. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds j^reviously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that at that meeting there was a discussion of ways 
of maintaining segregation and preventing integration. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the discussion at that meeting turned to acts of violence 
against Negroes, such as arson and bombs. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you were one of those members present who agreed that 
acts of violence would be necessary to stop integration, 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. With further regard, Mr. Bailey, to the demolition 
school held at the f arai of Robert Bing on October 17, 1964, 1 put it to 
you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that Robert L. 
Bing, Jimmy Webb, Daniel Bruce, George Sligh, Fred Hand, and 
Charles Bartlett were among the members of Clayton County No. 52 
Klavern who participated in this demonstration. 

Mr, Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that besides members of the United Klans of America there 
were members of other Klan groups present at that demolition 
demonstration. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that H. J. Jones and Clyde Newborn were at that demonstra- 
tion. 



2266 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that both H. J. Jones and Clyde Newborn are known by you 
to be officers of the U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, again and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Charles Bartlett was an instructor at that demon- 
stration. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mr. Bartlett in giving the demonstration explained that 
a Klansman should know sabotage and demolition work in the event 
our country is ever invaded and taken over by an enemy, in which case 
the Klan would have to work underground. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully declme to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Among other things, Mr. Bartlett mentioned in the 
course of his demonstration that one of the important things about an 
underground organization is communications and organizational setup. 

He then taught Klansman by means of a chart which depicted the 
setup of an underground group, and he read from several printed 
pages. 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bailey, I would like to ask you now what is your 
purpose in attending instruction classes in the art of judo, karate, and 
explosive devices? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel, Wliat is the intent of the United Klans of America in 
teaching certain of its members in the art of judo, karate, and explosive 
demonstrations ? 

Mr. Bailey. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

The Chairman. Mr. Weltner. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, I have no questions of the witness, 
but I did wish to call the attention of my colleagues on the committee 
to the final page of the document that the chairman distributed called 
"The Seven Symbols Of The Klan". 

I note that this was a document that was apparently drafted during 
the time of the U.S. Klans and refers to the U.S. Klans throughout the 
course of it, but it has the legend of the United Klans of America on 
the bottom of it and apparently has been promulgated by that body. 

There is one sentence in there that I think is most appropriate on 
the last page. It says as follows, speaking about power, "The secret 
of our power lies in the secrecy of our membership." 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2267 

I simply want to call that to my colleagues' attention. 

The Chairman. Thank you. 

The witness is excused and released from his subpena. 

The subcommittee will stand in recess until 10 o'clock tomorrow 
morning. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

("VVliereupon, at 3:35 p.m., Tuesday, November 2, 1965, the sub- 
committee recessed, to reconvene at 10 a.m., Wednesday, November 3, 
1965.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS 
IN THE UNITED STATES 

Part 2 



WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1965 

United States House of Representatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 

Washington^ D.C. 
public hearings 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities met, 
pursuant to recess, at 10 :15 a.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon House 
Office Building, Washington, D.C., Hon. Edwin E. Willis (chairman) 
presiding. 

(Subcommittee members: Representatives Edwin E. Willis, of 
Louisiana, chairman ; Joe R. Pool, of Texas ; Charles L. Weltner, of 
Georgia; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio; and John H. Buchanan, Jr., 
of Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Weltner, 
and Buchanan. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; William 
Hitz, general counsel ; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel ; Donald T. Appell, 
chief investigator ; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will come to order. 

Mr. Manuel, please call your first witness. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, prior to the calling of the first witness, 
I should like to relate to the committee the substance of a telephone con- 
versation I had this morning with Mr. Fred Briggs, who is the news 
editor of station WSB, Atlanta, Georgia. That is a television station. 

The chairman will recall yesterday I propounded (Questions to Mr. 
Bailey on the basis of my understanding that an individual, whom I 
did not then know by identity, had appeared on television station 
WSB, Atlanta, shortly after the Cla3^ton Civic Club, Inc., was identi- 
fied by this committee as a Klan organization. 

That individual appeared and denied that Clayton Civic Club, Inc., 
was a Klan front or a Klan cover, and it is my understanding that the 
individual demanded an apology from this committee. 

I have now learned from Mr. Briggs of that station that the indi- 
vidual who thus appeared was Wesley G. Bailey II, the same witness 
to whom I propounded that question. Mr. Briggs has offered to make 
available to this committee, if the Chair so desires, a magnetic tape of 
possibly 10 minutes' duration wherein Mr. Bailey did deny that 
matter. 

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2270 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

I simply bring that to the attention of the committee inasmuch as the 
same questions were propounded to Mr. Bailey yesterday. 

The Chairman. I don't know that we will require that. We will 
think about bringing in the tape. But I happen to see Mr. Bailey 
in the audience, although he has been released from the subpena. 
Technically, I could call him now, but I won't do it. However, I now 
offer him an opportunity to come back to the witness stand and ex- 
plain this matter under oath if he wants to. If he wants to respond 
from where he is or talk to his counsel, that is all right with me. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, after conferring with my client, he 
has no comment to make. 

The Chairman. Pardon? 

Mr. Chalivfers. My client has no comment to make. 

The Chairman. All right. 

Call your next witness. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr, Chairman, at this time the staif would like to 
call to the witness chair Mr. Howard Smith. 

The Chairjvian. Please raise your right hand, sir. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will 
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Smith. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF HOWARD WILLIAM SMITH 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Smith, would you state your full name for the 
record, sir? 

Mr. Smith. Howard William Smith. 

Mr. Manuel. What is your occupation, Mr. Smith ? 

Mr. Smith. I am chief of the Clayton County Police Department. 

The Chairman. Talk a little louder, Mr. Smith. 

Mr. Smith. I am chief of the Clayton County Police Department. 

Mr. Manuel. Sir, where is the headquarters of the Clayton County 
Police Department ? 

Mr. Smith. It is located in Jonesboro, Georgia. 

The Chairman. Chief, for my information, you are the chief of 
police of the county ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes. 

The Chairman. Wouldn't that be under the jurisdiction of a sher- 
iff? I am just asking about the system in that area. Usually a chief 
of police has jurisdiction over a city or a town. 

Mr. Smith. We have a county police force which serves as inves- 
tigating all of the crimes in the county and enforcing the traffic laws. 
Our sheriff runs two courts plus a jail and serves all the civil papers. 

The Chairman. I see. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Smith, when and where were you bom, sir? 

Mr. Smith. I was bom September 4, 1913, in Crawford County, 
Georgia, just out of Knoxville. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please state for the committee or give 
the committee a brief resume of your career as a police officer? 

Mr. Smith. I went to work for Clayton County as a patrolman in 
1039. In 1944 I went with the State Revenue Department. I stayed 



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with them until up in part of 1950. At that time I left the force 
until 1953, when I went back as chief of police of Clayton County. 

Mr. Manuel. How lono; have you been the chief of police? 

Mr. SMrrn, I have served as chief a little over— about 101/4 years 
as chief. 

Mr. Manuel. Is your office an elective position ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. 

Mr. Manuel, By whom are you appointed ? 

Mr. Smith. I am appointed by the county commissioners. 

Mr. Manuel. In the course of your duties as chief of police of 
Clayton County, have you had occasion to investigate the activities 
of various Ku Klux Klan organizations? 

Mr. Smith. Well, I won't say "various." I investigated a Klan we 
have in the county. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please identify that group, sir? 

Mr. Smith. It is the Klan that is meeting there in the Clayton Civic 
Club. 

Mr. Manuel. Is that also known as Clayton County Klavern No. 52 
of the United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Smith. That is correct. 

Mr. Manuel. 'Wliat does the result of your investigation show as 
far as the year 1964 

The Chairman. Before that question, I will review what I in- 
dicated appeared to be, and I accept it to be, the situation. A group 
obtained, pursuant to Georgia law, a charter. Under the provisions of 
the law that we have in Louisiana, they could create an entity for 
nonprofit purposes. 

That group did create the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. On its face, 
the charter provides for ostensibly worthy, noble, patriotic, civic pur- 
poses. I am not at all surprised, or would not be surprised, if people 
could join that organization based on the recitation of the charter, 
not knowing what it is. 

This is simply another instance of a Klan group hiding behind a 
legal paper in the shape of a charter, whether it be a gun club, a fishing 
club, a civic club. They are hiding behind a phony charter and using 
that charter as a vehicle to cover up what, in fact, is a Klavern. 

Since you are under oath and since no one has denied it, and it seems 
to be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, this is such an outfit. 

Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, getting back to the year 1964, do the 
files of your department indicate where the Clayton County Klavern 
was meeting for that particular year ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please tell the committee where the Clay- 
ton County Klavern met during the year 1964? 

Mr. Smith. They were meeting up at Lake City, which is an incor- 
porated town north of Jonesboro, in the community center up there. 

Mr. Manuel. Is that in the close proximity of Forest Park, which 
is in Clayton County ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir ; just out of the city limits of Forest Park. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, I would like to show you a copy of a 
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2272 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Georgia, dated 5 January 1965, the charter for the Clayton Civic 
Club, Inc. 

I would like to ask you, sir, what your investigation has revealed 
concerning the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. ? 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Smith. On the Clayton Civic Club, prior to them buying this 
property there, they was contemplating buying a house on the outskirts 
of Jonesboro. 

(Document previously marked "Wesley Bailey Exhibit No. 1.") 

Mr. Manuel. Was this after 5 January 1965 ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir ; that was prior to that time. 

Mr. Manuel. And prior to the incorporation ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. They bought this particular piece of property 
from Mr. J. C. Girard Realty Company in Jonesboro. Since they 
bought it, they have built onto it. 

Mr. Manuel. Let me ask you this : Prior to 5 January 1965, where 
did the Clayton County Klaveni No. 52 hold its meetings? 

Mr. Smith. The only place I knew of was up there at Lake City 
Community Center. 

Mr. Manuel. After January 1965, where did they hold their 
meetings ? 

Mr. Smith. During 1965, as far as I know, they have held all their 
meetings at the Civic Club there in Jonesboro. 

Mr. Manuel. Could you be more specific, Chief, as to where the 
Civic Club is located ? 

Mr. Smith. It is located on 54 Highway, between Fifth Avenue and 
Piney Wood Drive. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you describe the property ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. They have a long brick building there, and 
concrete block building, and it houses a tool and die shop in the base- 
ment. They have a grocery store operated up at the street level and a 
barber shop. 

Mr. Bailey has an office, Wes Bailey has a law office there, and the 
Civic Club. 

Back in the first part, or the middle of the summer, they did have 
an agency of the Federal Aviation, the Federal Aviation Agency. 
They had an office leased there. Whether they are still there or not, I 
don't know. 

Mr. Weltner. What agency ? 

Mr. Smith. The Federal Aviation Agency. 

Mr. Weltner. TheFAA? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. They had an office in this building? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, is this building and this property which 
you have described owned by the Clayton Civic Club, Inc.? 

Mr. Smith. To my knowledge, the best of my knowledge; yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Excuse me, Mr. Manuel. It appears to me now why 
this charter was obtained, so that there would be a corporate entity to 
take title to this property. 

Is that your evaluation of it ? 



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Mr. Smith. I am not familiar with that, why they got the charter. 
I couldn't say. 

Mr. Weltner. But the title is held in the name of that corporation? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, before we proceed, would you please tell 
the connnittee how, in your capacity as chief of police of Clayton 
County, you have kept up or surveilled the activities of the Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52, which operates under the cover of the Clayton 
Civic Club, Inc.? 

Mr. Smith. The way I have been able to keep up through it is a lot 
of the members. There are a lot of good men in the organization, and 
I talk to them from time to time, and they come and tell me what is 
transpiring. 

Mr. IManuel. So that you have maintained sources inside of this 
particular Klavern ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, does your investigation show that the 
Clayton Countv Civic Club has members other than members of the 
KuKluxKlan?" 

Mr. Smith. I don't know of any other members. 

Mr. Manuel. Has the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., to your direct 
knowledge, made any attempt to obtain members who are not members 
oftheKuKluxKlan? 

Mr. Smith. They haven't to my knowledge. 

Mr. Manuel. To your knowledge has any person attended a meet- 
ing of the Clayton County Civic Club who was not a member of the 
United Klans of America and a member of the Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Smith. That is kind of a double question. I don't know other 
than the Klan — who attends ; I don't know of any civic meeting they 
have had up there. 

Mr. Manuel, What activities has the Clayton County Civic Club 
engaged, in to your knowledge ? 

Mr. Smith. To my knowledge, I don't know of any. 

Mr. Manuel. Other than Klan activities; is that correct, sir? 

Mr. Smith. Other than the regular Klan meeting ; yes, sir. 

The Chairman. May I say at this point I was very careful to say 
this charter could be used as an instrument to pull the wool over some- 
body's eyes. I just said that people not members of the Klan could 
well have been hoodwinked. I didn't say they were. Now it appears 
to be just one pure Klan imit. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, it appears that, conforming w4th 
J' our suggestion, this charter might very well have deluded individuals 
and might very well have served to delude the GoveiTiment of the 
United States of America, inasmuch as apparently an agency of that 
Government has become a tenant of the Ku Klux Klan in Clayton 
County, Georgia. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, to the best of your knowledge, does 
the agency of the Federal Government, the FAA, currently maintain 
offices in the property owmed by the Clayton Civic Club ? 

Mr. Smith. I have information that the lease was broken, but of 
my own knowledge I don't know whether it was or not. 



2274 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. From your direct knowledge, would you please tell 
the committee how the Clayton Civic Club obtained this property, 
specifying the amount of money involved, if you possess such 
knowledge ? 

Mr. Smith. All my knowledge would be hearsay from some of the 
members. They bought it for $35,000. Of course, they are paying 
for it monthly. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you know from what source they derive their 
revenue to make the payments on this building ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir; I do not. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, in the document which I handed you, 
the copy of the charter of Clayton Civic Club, Inc., there are listed 
as the original incorporators a Mr. Fred Hand, of Route 3, College 
Park, Georgia. Do you know Mr. Hand to be a member of the Ku 
KluxKlan? 

Mr. Smith. Through information. 

The Chairman. Through investigative information ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. In other words, this is information which sources 
within the Klan have brought to your attention ; is that correct, sir? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. D. [Daniel] E. Bruce, of Box 117, Jonesboro, 
Georgia, is also listed as an original incorporator. Do you know 
Mr. Bruce to be a member of Clayton County Klavern No. 52? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. W. G. Bailey, of 167 Dixie Drive, Jonesboro, 
Georgia, is also listed as an original incorporator. Do you know Mr. 
Bailey to be a member of Clayton County Klavern No. 52 of the 
Realm of Georgia, United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. B. J. Hand, of Route 3, Jonesboro, Georgia, is 
also listed as an original incorporator. Do you know B. J. Hand to 
be a member of Clayton County Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, but we don't have a Route 3, Jonesboro. 

The Chairman. You don't have what? 

Mr. Smith. We don't have a Route 3, Jonesboro. 

Mr. Manuel. This is the information that is listed on this docu- 
ment. Wliether it is a mistake as to the address, we don't have that 
information. 

Mr. Henry Hand, of Johnson Road, Forest Park, Georgia, is also 
listed as an original incorporator. Do you know Mr. Henry Hand 
to be a member of Clayton County Klavem No 52 ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. J. W. Wells, of 125 Tangle wood Drive, Jones- 
boro, Georgia, is also listed as an original incorporator of the Clay- 
ton Civic Club, Inc. Do you know Mr. J. W. Wells to be a member 
of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 of the Realm of Georgia, 
United Klans of America? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief, has your investigation determined how much, 
in the way of initiation, prospective members of Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52 pay ? 



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Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mv. Manuel. How much does a prospective member of Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 pay by way of initiation fee? 

Mr. SiMiTir. I believe they call it naturalization. It is $15. 

Mr, Maxuel. $15 per person ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. INIanuel. Has your investigation determined how much the 
monthly dues of each member is? 

Mr. Smith. $1.50. 

Mr. Manuel. $1.50 per member. 

Has your investigation determined on the average — well, before 
Ave get into that, what is the schedule of meetings for the Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Smith. I couldn't give you the exact schedule. I know every 
third Monday night there is a naturalization night, and other than 
that, I just ride by — I know every third Monday night is naturalization 
night. 

Mr. Manuel. Approximately, or on the average, how many people 
attend the meetings of the Clayton County Civic Club, or the Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Smith. I would say anywhere from 35 to maybe 60 at the most. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, in the area of your jurisdiction, since 
you have been the chief police officer concerned with Ku Klux Klan 
activities, have there been any acts of intimidation or acts of violence 
committed in your area of jurisdiction ? 

Mr. Smith. There hasn't been intimidation. We had an instance 
of crosses being burned three times. Through investigation, we 
found out that one of the times it was done by some high school stu- 
dents, and the other two times I talked to some of the members of the 
Klan, and they denied knowledge. Frankly, I don't believe they 
burned them. 

Mr. Manuel. Where were these crosses burned ? 

Mr. Smith. They were burned at the school superintendent's front 
yard, J. E. Edmonds, just off the highway. He sits way back off the 
road. 

Mr. Manuel. When were these crosses burned ? 

Mr. Smith. One was burned back several months ago and one last 
year. That is the only thing we have had since 1959, 1 believe it was. 

Mr. Manuel. Has your investigation determined why a cross would 
be burned in front of the school superintendent's property ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. Mr. Edmonds is superintendent of the county 
schools and a very efficient man, but he still has a lot of 

The Chairman. Problems? 

Mr. Smith. That is right. 

The Chairman. Within your investigative knowledge, and you are 
called here as a legal officer, could you spell out a little bit more what 
would appear to be the problems ? 

Mr. Smith. Do you mean in the schools ? 

The Chairman. The superintendent's problem, vis-a-vis the cross- 
burning by the students. 

Mr. Smith. Mr. Edmonds is superintendent of schools, and we have 
presently 23,000 kids in school, and he is, I think, a real good adminis- 



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2276 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

trator, but he is a little fiery. You see, he is an elected official and he 
has political enemies as well as anyone else. As far as any specific 
reason, I couldn't o^ive the committee one. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, did your investigation determine that 
the crosses were burned at a time when there was an attempt made to 
integrate school facilities ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. We integrated our school facilities back in 
September and we had no incidents whatsoever. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, has the investigation of your depart- 
ment determined who is the exalted cyclops of Clayton County Klav- 
em No. 52? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. "VYlio is that man? 

Mr. Smith. Mr. Robert Bing. 

Mr. Manuel. Robert Bing, B-i-n-g? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you likewise know Mr. George Sligh, Mr. Charles 
Bartlett, Mr. W. B. Parr to be members of the Clayton County Klav- 
em No. 52? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. And also members of the Clayton County Civic Club ? 

Mr. Smith. Well, now, the civic club, I would have to clarify this. 
They meet there and whether they are members of the civic club or 
not 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, what has vour investigation determined 
regarding the activities of Charles Bartlett? 

Mr. Smith. He is a public relations man for the Klan. Bax^k, I 
believe, around the first of the year he was instrumental in that train- 
ing in Henry County. 

Mr. Manuel. Wlien you say "training in Henry County," could 
you be more specific on that, sir ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. They had a place bulldozed out over there 
where they exploded some dynamite over there, and I understand, 
through information, that they done some small arms practice over 
there. 

Mr. Manuel. Was Charles Bartlett ever identified to you as the 
man who was in charge of the demolition training? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. How did you obtain this knowledge, sir? 

Mr. Smith. Through some of the members. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you ever talked directly to Mr. Charles Bart- 
lett? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Has Mr. Cliarles Bartlett admitted to you that he 
was the demolition instructor for this training? 

Mr. Smith. He told me lie exploded some over there. Back in the 
early part of the spring, Cliarles was having trouble with his eyes 
and he wasn't fooling with it any more. 

Mr. Manuel. But Charles Bartlett admitted to you that he had 
been the instructor for demolition for Klansmen; is that correct, sir? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you had any convei*sation with Charles Bart- 
lett subsequent to his subpena by this committee? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2277 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. I talked to him in the sheriff's office about 
10 days ago, and he stated to me and tlie sheriff that he had talked to, I 
thought it was, you. I understood you liad been in the area. I wasn't 
contacted at that time. He stated to me and the sheriff that he had 
talked to one of the investigators and explained what action he had 
taken and why. 

Mr. Manuel. Did he explain to you, subsequent to receiving a sub- 
pena, what his course of action would be before the committee? 

Mr. Smith. He didn't explain. We was talking there, and he said 
he was going to tell them; that he wasn't ashamed of it; didn't have 
anything to hide. 

Mr. Manuel. He told you he was going to be cooperative before the 
committee ? 

Mr. Smith. No, he didn't say he was going to be cooperative. He 
said he was going to tell the truth. He said other than the secrets 
of the Klan, I believe he said, he had nothing to hide because he be- 
lieves in it and he didn't have anything to hide. 

Mr. Manuel. Did he tell you specifically that he would tell the 
committee that he had engaged in demolition training for the United 
Klans of America, if he was asked ? 

Mr. Smith. He said he was going to tell what part he played in it, 
and I thought he said Mr. Manuel asked him and he told him, asked 
him how he learned demolition. He told me he learned it in service. 

Mr. Manuel. We mentioned previously Mr. Daniel Bruce. From 
your direct knowledge, do you know that Mr. Daniel Bruce has simi- 
larly engaged in the training of Klansmen in small arms fire or judo 
or karate ? 

Mr. Smith. I had information through the members that he was 
instructor in small arms. About judo and karate, I have never heard 
that mentioned. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you know Mr. Daniel Bruce to be a member of the 
klokann committee of the Clayton County No. 52 Klavern? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Is it within your knowledge to tell the committee 
what the duties of the klokann are as you understand them ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir ; I don't know the full duties. 

Mr. Manuel. Do members of the klokann committee investigate 
prospective members? 

Mr. Smith. I have been told that they do ; yes, sir. 

(At this point Representative Pool entered the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, would you please tell the committee 
wiien you first learned that Clayton County Klavern No. 52 was 
engaging in training in demolition, judo, karate, and pistol firing, 
et cetera ? 

Mr. Smith. I learned back the first of the year that they had a 
training ground down in Henry County. 

Mr. Manuel. Our investigation reveals that as far back as some- 
time in 1963 they started these activities. Well, actually 1961. But the 
Clayton County Klavern specifically in 1963. You state that your 
information started in this regard around the first of this year, 1965 ; 
is that correct ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. It could have been a little before the first of 
the year. It was around the first. 



2278 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. Has your investigation determined exactly where this 
training was held ? 

Mr. Smith. I have been told by the members. I have never been 
there. I might add this: After the Saturday Evening Post ran the 
article, that was in Clayton County, I contacted a boy — well, a boy con- 
tacted me from the Atlanta Journal, and I told him and he went down 
there to it. I told him it was not in Clayton County ; it was in Henry 
County. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliere, specifically ; on whose property ? 

Mr. Smith. They tell me on Mr. Bing's farm. 

Mr. Manuel. That is Mr. Robert L. Bing, who is the exalted cyclops 
of Clayton County Klavern No. 52 ; is that correct ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. As you stated for the record, Henry County, where 
the training exercises have taken place, is not in your area of jurisdic- 
tion ; is that correct, sir ? 

Mr. Smith. That is correct. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, what has your investigation revealed 
concerning the collection and use of firearms by members of the Clay- 
ton Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Smith. I don't have any knowledge of them collecting firearms. 
Of course, I do know a lot of them have pistols and hold a pistol toter's 
license, but as far as collection of firearms, I don't have any knowledge 
of collecting them. 

Mr. Manuel. How does a Klansman go about obtaining a pistol 
toter's license? 

Mr. Smith. He has to go to the ordinary of tlie county, and the 
ordinary will fill in a blank form for application. Then he brings it 
down to the police department or the sheriff's department and he is 
fingerprinted. 

Our records are searched for a criminal record. If he has a 
criminal record, we will attach it to the sheet, and he has to take it 
back to the ordinary. And if he has a record, the ordinary w411 not 
issue him a pistol toter's license. I believe Joe Ames started that about 
3 years ago. 

Mr. Manuel. In applying for a pistol toter's permit, is it required 
to make a statement concerning character, reputation, or past criminal 
background ? 

Mr. Smith. That, I wouldn't know, because on the application all 
we do is process it and see if he has a criminal record, fingerprint him, 
and send the prints in to the FBI here. 

Mr. Manuel. Can a person with a past criminal record obtain a 
pis<^ol toter's license in Clayton County? 

Mr. Smith. According to the judge, no. You see, the judge issues 
them. ! .r, ■ i-.. :* tI/ 

Mr. Manuel. Is it required that a person state his membership in 
the Klan in order to obtain a pistol toter's license? 

Mr. Smith. I do not know. 

Mr. Manttel. Chief Smith, vesterdav the committee heard testi- 
mony from Chief I>eo Blackwell, of Griffin, Ga,, and the question was 
raised to Chief Blackwell concerning his recommendations or his 
opinions on registration of firearms in order to aid law enforcement 
officers. 



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Would you tell the committee now wliat your feelinjjs are with re- 
o-ard to tlie present laws and any recommendations you mi^-ht make 
as a law enforcement officer to aid in your duties in reiiard to prospec- 
tive re^ristration or control of firearms? 

Mr. Smith. Yes. I would like to oo back a little bit, though, and 
explain why. You see, in Georgia you can carry a pistol in your glove 
compartuient or under the seat, and most judges will uphold the man. 
"\Ve liave holdup men and all types of criminals, and all they have to 
do is just lay a ])istol under the seat or in the glove compartment and 
they ride around until they get ready to hold up or shoot somebody. 

I favor a national registration and control of them, because three 
fourths of the criminal element has pistols and if they have to register 
them, if you can catch them in the automobile or illegally, you have a 
case on tliem. The way it is now, you do not have a case. 

The Chairman. Would you mind registering your own pistol? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. I don't think anyone would. 

The Chairman. I didn't think you would. 

Mr. Smith. I don't think any man who owns a pistol and is in a 
legal business would mind ; or any citizen. 

Mr. Pool. Do you think it is all right to register them and it is all 
right to own them? You don't say they shouldn't own pistols? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir ; I think they should be registered. 

Mr. Pool. New York State has the Sullivan Act, I believe, and you 
can't possess a pistol. Is that correct for New York ? 

Mr. Smith. Unless it is registered. I believe that is right. You 
can possess one if it is registered up there, if I am not mistaken. 

Mr. Pool. I am not familiar with the law. But I was under the 
impression that you couldn't even own one. 

Mr. Smith. No, sir ; I think you can, but it has to be registered. 

Mr. Pool. You have to have a permit from the police department 
in New York, I have been informed, regardless of registration. 

Mr. Smith. It would be a big aid to us. 

Mr. Pool. Would you go that far ? That is what I am getting at. 
Would you require that they have a permit ? 

Mr. Smith. I would like a permit and all guns to be registered. 
Then if you have a crime committed where a weapon was used, you 
would have some leads to go on. 

Mr. Pool. You see, you have opposition from these hunters and 
people like that, especially in the West. 

Mr. Smith. I think the National Rifle Association has built up a 
good bit of opposition on it, too. 

Mr. Pool. You wouldn't go as far as to say they shouldn't have a 
permit from the police department before they could own a gun? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir ; I think they ought to be registered. 

Mr. Pool. As long as they are registered, you think that would 
take care of it? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Sheriff, I am not an expert on this subject and I 
don't know exactly how to phrase the question because of that fact. 
Chief Blackwell yesterday described a weapon that had been used 
in Griffin, Georgia, I think, to point at people while their cohorts 
were burning a cross, and described that particular weapon as look- 
ing like a submachine gun, but that it was single shot. 



2280 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

In other words, you "would pull the trig:ger for each shot. I have 
since been advised, however, and I want to ask you about it, that that 
particular arm, that particular weapon, is so designed that by filing 
down something around the triggering device you can make it auto- 
matic, and it would pop off like an automatic. 

Are you familiar with that kind of weapon ? Do you know of that ? 

Mr. SariTH. Yes, sir. We also have our 

The Chairman. Describe that one. How can it be converted from 
a single shot to an automatic ? 

Mr. Smith. You file some mechanism in there. I don't know. Some 
t)f my men knov/ how to do it. I have some carbines bought through 
Army surplus and you can file an Army carbine, they were semi, and 
make them fully automatic. There are several types of guns that were 
used in the war and you can file the mechanism and they will be fully 
automatic rather than semi. 

The Chairman. As I understand, submachine guns are so equipped 
that you can trip a trigger or a slide and make it a one-shot weapon 
and when you remove that it becomes automatic. 

Mr. Smith. That is the M-2 carbine, I believe, that you are talking 
about. 

The Chairman. The point is, as I understand, that the automatic 
submachine guns are registerable under Federal law, but those that 
are single shot, I suppose classified as a rifle or something, are not. 

It seems to me that the manufacturer could see to it that if you 
want an automatic submachine gun you have it, since you just have to 
file something. 

Mr. Smith. Mr. Chairman, our worst trouble has been the impor- 
tation of these old guns from across the waters. We have had more 
people shot and killed, I would say, in the United States, with these 
$12.00, .22 single-shot German pistols. You can buy them for $12.00 
retail and ])robably get them for $6.00 on the market if you want to 
get them wholesale. 

There have been more people killed, I would say, across the coun- 
tiy, with them than any other weapon. But you can buy these Army 
surplus, the old British, all types of foreign guns that have been sent 
in here. You can't go to a farmhouse that hasn't got some type of 
weapon. 

Tlie Chairman. The distinction between the submachine gun de- 
scribed and one that can be made into one, as I understand, is that with 
the type used in the Army you can switch from automatic to single 
shot, but with this one — if you filed it — it would be permanently an 
automatic; is that correct? 

Mr. Smith. That is correct ; yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. I think these weapons that were confiscated tem- 
porarily in Spalding County were .45 caliber weapons and the clips 
had been taped together so that there would be 150 rounds of am- 
munition that could be fired single shot unless the pin was filed down 
to make them automatic. 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. I talked to T^o about that at the time and 
after that we discussed those guns. 

Mr. Weltner. Is there any sporting use of a .45 caliber submachine- 
gun type weapon ? 



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Mr. Smith. I woudii't know of any. It would be rightly expensive 
to slioot. 

Mr. Weltner. Is there any game in Clayton County or Spalding 
County or Fulton County that takes a .45 caliber slug to bring down? 

Mr. Smith. I don't laiow of any. 

Mr. Weltner. That is, other than human game ? 

Mr. Smith. I don't know of any game. 

Mr. Weltner. You don't have a lot of bears down in your county ; 
do you ? 

Mr. Smith. There is not any that I know of. 

Mr. Pool. I do want to ask one further question. Do you have any 
idea, from talking to your men, how long it takes to file this pin down 
to make it automatic ? 

Mr. Smith. It is just a very simple matter. 

Mr. Pool. Two or three minutes ? 

Mr. Smith. It might take 30 minutes. 

Mr. Pool. Thirty minutes? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Now, you can do this: Those parts, most of 
the gunsmiths have them, and you can buy the part and make it inter- 
changeable, the automatic is interchangeable with the semiautomatic. 
You don't have to file them down. 

Mr. Pool. You could carry the part along with you ? 

Mr. Smith. You could have ; yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Separate from the gun. It would be a 1-minute change 
or something like that. 

Mr. Smith. I don't know, but it wouldn't take too long. We have 
an outfit in Florida, and some of you are probably familiar, which 
is buying these M-l's and cutting them down to where they are only 
about that long (indicating), and they are still legal. They have a 
pistol grip on an M-1 carbine and it will shoot 30 times. 

Mr. Pool. Do you have any recommendations regarding these 
weapons shown in the picture presented yesterday as to Federal laws 
concerning that kind of a weapon, since they can be converted into an 
automatic almost immediately ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. I don't think the public needs that type of 
gun, period. 

The Chairman. However, if you will pardon me, whether you use 
the gun as a single shot or a multiple shot, if you are hit you are a 
candidate for the pearly gates anyway; aren't you? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir ; with that .45 caliber if you are hit anywhere 
in the body, you are in bad shape. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, I would like to ask you, to your direct 
knowledge, are there any subordinates in your department in the Clay- 
ton County Police Department, or any member of the sheriff's depart- 
ment w^ho are members of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. 

Mr. ^Ianuel. To your direct knowledge, are any officials of Clayton 
County members of tlie Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Smith. Not to my knowledge. 

Mr. Pool. Any of the relatives of any of the officials who are mem- 
bers of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Smith. To my knowledge, I don't know of any. There might 
be, but I haven't tried to break it down. I don't know of any. 



2282 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, to your direct knowled^re, is any former 
law enforcement officer in Clayton County a member of the Klan ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please identify that man and give his 
past position ? 

Mr. Smith. We have a former sheriff that is a member of the Clay- 
ton County Civic Club. 

Mr. Manuel. ^Yho is that, sir? 

Mr. Smith. W. Lloyd Dixon. 

Mr. Manuel. Is he currently active in the Klan organization? 

Mr. Smith. He is attending the meetings; yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Up until what point in time was he the sheriff of 
Clayton County? 

Mr. Smith, Up until January the 1st of this year. 

Mr. Pool. Was he a member of the Ku Klux Klan before that time, 
while he was sheriff? 

Mr. SivnTH. Yes, sir; but of a different Klavern and a different 
Klan. lie was with another, the College Park Klan. 

Mr. Pool. Do you know the name of it. 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. It was the College Park Klan. H. J. Jones 
was one of the wheels in it. 

Mr. Pool. The predecessor of the one they have now ? 

Mr. Manit^l. May I state for the record, Mr. Pool, that the Klan 
organization to which Chief Smith now refers is the U.S. Klans, 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, of which H. J. Jones was, as of our best 
information, the Imperial Wizard ? 

Mr. Pool. "Wliat was the name of the Klan when this man was 
sheriff that he is talking about ? 

Mr. Manuel. As I understand it from Chief Smith, he has held 
dual membership. He, at one time, Avas a member of the U.S. Klans 
which met in College Park, which is in Fulton County, and as of the 
chief's latest information he meets now with the Clayton Civic Club 
or the Clayton County Klavern No. 52, which is a part of the United 
Klans of America. 

Mr. Pool. For the record, what was the name of the Klan before 
January 1 ? 

The Chairman. You are talking about the Klavern ? 

Mr. Pool. The Klavern. 

Mr. Manuel. January 1st of this year? Clayton County Klavern 
No. 52 of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Pool. And that is the one that he just testified that the sheriff 
belonged to when he was sheriff ? 

Is that correct ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. Prior to coming with the Clayton County Klan 
No. 52, he was with a Klan, Jones' U.S. Klans, which met in College 
Park. What Klavern number, I don't know, because it was in another 
county. 

Mr. Pool. It wasn't in your county ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, since his departure from the job of 
sheriff in January of this year, does the ex-sheriff hold any honorary 
police position in Clayton County ? 

Mr. Smith. Not to my knowledge ; no, sir. 



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Mr. Manuel. Our investigation reveals that Mr. George Sligh, 
whom you have identified as a member of Clayton County Klavern No. 
52, holds an honorary position with the sherili''s department in Fulton 
County and in Clayton County. Is that information correct, to the 
best of your knowledge ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Aside from being an insurance salesman, he 
also works for Pinkerton Detective Agency, and he has to have a spe- 
cial police permit to work for that agency. 

Mr. Manuel. To your knowledge, in applying for the position with 
the police agency, did he make known his membership in the Ku Klux 
Klan? 

Mr. Smith. I don't have any knowledge, because he is wnth the sheriff 
of Clayton County and the sheriff of Fulton County, and I haven't any 
knowledge whether he did or did not. 

Mr. Manuel. To your direct knowledge, other than Mr. Sligh, are 
there any other Klansmen wdio hold similar positions in either Clayton 
County or Fulton County '^ 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. I don't have a list of the special deputies at my 
disposal. I could get it. I have never asked for them. As far as I 
know, he is the only one. 

Mr. Manuel, Are there any special deputies attached to your par- 
ticular department whom you know to be members of the Klan ? 

Mr. Smith. I only have one special police and he is with the tax de- 
partment in Atlanta. 

Mr. Manuel. And he is not a member of the Klan, to the best of 
your knowledge ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. He works for the State of Georgia. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I have no further questions. 

Mr. Weltner. Chief Smith, I want to thank you for your appear- 
ance here today. It is with considerable pride that I, as a fellow 
Georgian, note your appearance. 

I have this question to ask to you as a law enforcement officer. 
Under the law of Georgia, any person who has knowledge of the com- 
mission of a crime is under a duty to report that to the duly constituted 
authorities. Under our law, failure to report a crime, having knowl- 
edge of it, can result in compounding the felony or misdemeanor; is 
that correct ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. So it is the duty of all citizens to report to the 
proper authorities any infractions of the law of which they have per- 
sonal knowledge. 

I would like to read to you sections of a Klan oath which has 
previously been placed into the record, and to inquire of you on the 
basis of this. I am reading from page 1 which says : 

I most solemnly swear that I will forever keep sacredly secret * * * any 
and all other matters and knowledge * * * communicated to me and will 
never divulge same nor even cause same to be divulged to any person in the 
whole world unless I know positively that such person is a member of this 
Order, in good and regular standing, and not even then unless it be for the best 
interest of this Order. 

Then it skips down and says: "I will die rather than divulge same." 
On page 3, the oath of allegiance to the Klan, states : 

I swear that I will keep secure to myself a secret of a [Klan]*sman when 
same is committed to me in the sacred bond of [Klan]*smanship — ^the crime 



2284 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

of violating THIS solemn oath — treason against the United States of America — 
rape — and malicious murder — alone excepted. 

If that is an oath taken by members of the Klan, I \vould like to 
ask you whether, in your opinion as a law enforcement officer, that 
oath is consistent with the duty of a citizen to report crimes and in- 
fractions of law over which he has knowledge? 

Mr. Smith. As long as a fellow Klansman doesn't commit it, I 
reckon it would be all right. But if a fellow Klansman commits a 
crime, if he keeps that oath he certainly wouldn't report it. 

(Document previously marked "Robert. Shelton Exhibit No. 4.") 

Mr. Weltner. A Klansman, then, would be under an oath not to 
report any infractions or crimes with these exceptions? 

Mr. Smith. That is the way I interpret it. 

Mr. Weltner. Would it be your opinion, then, that a law enforce- 
ment officer who also takes an oath could consistently be faithful to his 
oath as a law enforcement officer and his oath as a Klansman ? 

Mr. Smith. No, sir; he couldn't. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you. 

Mr. Smith. There would be a conflict there. 

Mr. Weltn jr. Sir ? 

Mr. Smith. There would be a conflict. He couldn't. 

Mr. Weltner. It would be an irreconciliable conflict ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Weltner. Thank you very much. Chief Smith. Again, I ap- 
preciate your being here. 

Mr. Buchanan. I want to thank you for your testimony. Chief, 
and say that I am very shocked to learn that an agency of the Federal 
Government is subject to error, as apparently was the case in this 
rental of space from the Ku Klux Klan. 

Thank you for your testimony. 

The Chairman. Sheriff, before you go, you did say that you thought 
the lease was broken. Would 3^011 have any idea how long ago it was 
that the FAA broke the lease or got away from it ? 

Mr. Smith. I believe 

The Chairman. Just your best approximation. 

Mr. Smith. Approximately 4 months ago. 

The Chairman. Of course, we would have to ask them direct, and 
are very, very likely to do so. 

Within your investigative knowledge, is it your understanding that 
the lease was broken because the FAA found out that they were leas- 
ing from a Klan Klavern ? Did you hear that ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. That is, in the investigative part of your duty. 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir; that is right. I heard it was broken because 
they found out it was a Klan Klavern. 

The CiiAiRiNtAN. Sheriff, I, too, want to add my words of commenda- 
tion to you. You are a credit to the law enforcement agencies of the 
State of Georgia and the county that you so ably represent. 

We appreciate your appearance. I know you might iiave problems, 
but I am tempted^ to ask you this and I will: You are not afraid of 
anything happening to you, are you, because you testified here ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2285 

Mr. Smith. No, sir. I might add this : As lon^ — with some of the 
men that is in that Khm down there, I don't anticipate any trouble? 

The CiiAiRMA^\ I do know from w^hat has been established and 
from information coming to us that some people, some members, really 
do honestly feel some elements of fear. But as time goes on, I am quite 
sure they will feel like you do. 

Mr. Pool. INIr. Chairman, I want to also thank the chief for appear- 
ing and connnend him for giving us his testimony. 

I will ask you one last question, which is this : From your experience 
and from talking to people in the South, would you say that most 
of the good citizens of the South do not want any part of the Ku Klux 
Klan?^ 

Mr. Smith. Well, a Klan is a very small minority. Of course, the 
membership has grown in the last few months. 

Mr. Pool. But most of the people of the South are law abiding and 
deplore acts of violence, bombings, and things like that, and certainly 
the only people that get into it are either misguided or are people 
who are not good citizens ? 

Mr. Smith. I will have to back up. I believe, and, of course 

Mr. Pool. I say misguided. 

Mr. Smith. Well, you say misguided. I wouldn't say they wasn't 
good citizens, because some of them are. 

Mr. Pool. The good ones are misled ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Pool. Thank you very much. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith, I would like to ask you just one more 
question. Have you ever heard of an organization called NACI- 
REMA,INC.? 

Mr . Smith. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please give the committee a brief account 
of your knowledge of that organization ? 

Mr. Smith. My knowledge is very slim on it because it originated 
back in, I would say, the early part of 1960 and was supposed to have 
originated up in Cobb County, around Mableton, Georgia. They 
have a few bombings in 1960 and 1961 that was attributed to them 
in DeKalb and Fulton County. Some of tlie men that was supposed 
to be the head of it were in Atlanta, there. 

Mr. Manuel. Is it your knowledge that members of NACIREMA, 
INC., were either members or former members of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Chief, you are excused and we appreciate your 
appearance. 

The committee will stand in recess until 1 :45. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

(Wliereupon, at 11 :18 a.m., Wednesday, November 3, 1965, the sub- 
committee recessed, to reconvene at 1 :45 p.m. the same day.) 

AFTERNOON SESSION— WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 1965 

(The subcommittee reconvened at 2:10 p.m., Hon. Edwin E. Willis, 
chairman, presiding.) 

(Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Pool, and 
Weltner. ) 



2286 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The CiiATK:\rAx. The subcommittee will come to order. 

The Chair first Avants to state (hat, through inadvertence, I failed to 
say that the last witness, Chief Smith, is continued under subpena 
until January 1, 1960. "We have other matters to take up with him. 

Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this time the staff wishes to call 
Mr. Charles Bartlett. 

(At this point Mr. Buchanan entered the hearing room.) 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

Do you solemnly swear that the testnuony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I do, sir. 

TESTIMONY OF CHARLES MALCOLM BARTLETT, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, before we proceed with this witness, 
may I state to the chairman that I have a subpena for Mr. Joseph 
Marvin Holland. He forwarded it to me yesterday by mail, special 
delivery, and asked that I represent him in connection with a matter 
before the committee. 

I spoke to Mr. Appell earlier this morning and I think I spoke to the 
chairman yesterday. I have here a doctor's certificate from Dr. 
Charles G. Green, of Waynesboro, Georgia, who states as follows : 

J. M. Holland has been 111 for one year. Due to physical conditions, it would 
be harmful for this patient to travel to Washington, D.C., to appear before the 
Committee on Un-American Activities. 

It is signed "C. J. Green." 

I talked with Dr. Green at lunch today, during the lunch hour, 
and I explained to him the necessity for the witness' appearance if he 
was at all available to do. Dr. Green explained to me that the witness 
is suffering from a severe heart condition and that he flatly thought 
that it would jeopardize his health, and possibly his life, if he were 
put under such a strain to come up and physically be present and to 
testify. 

I would like to say, sir, if he can be excused, I would apprecijite it. 
If the committee feels like his testimony is such that you could pre- 
pare interrogatories for him, I would be happy to see if we couldn't 
work it out some way or another to have the interrogatories pro- 
pounded to him and his answer given. It is certainly not an attempt 
on his part, and I feel the chairman knows it is no attempt on my 
part 

The Chairman. You did talk to me about this late yesterday after- 
noon, and I asked you, in addition to this little doctor's certificate, to 
phone the doctor to verify the facts and to let me know. You have 
done that. Of course, the individual — what is his name ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. J. M. Holland. 

The Chairman — Mr. Holland would not be expected to report on 
the date which the subpena calls for him to be here, which is No- 
vember 5. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2287 

Therefore, lookinfj to all angles of it, at this time he is excused from 
that subpena, but I Avill contiiuie the subpena, and I wish you Avould 
tell him that, until January 1. We will see what happens.^ 

Mr. Chalmers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. You will communicate that to him ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. I will contact him this afternoon. 

The Chairman'. Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Please state your full name for the record, sir. 

Mr. Bartlett. Charles Malcolm Bartlett. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you represented by counsel ? 

Mr. Bartlett, Yes. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 501, 
First Federal Buildino-, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. ]\Ir. Bartlett, when and where were you born ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to aiUrm or deny 
the fact, that you were born on the 16th day of November 1926. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that j^ou are a native of Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. Bartleti'. 1 respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. ]VL\NUEL. Mr. Bartlett, where do you currently reside, sir? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you currently reside at 292 Conley Road, Forest Park, 
Georgia. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, what is your occupation ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you are employed as a bulldozer operator for the 
B & B Grading Company. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, are you currently a member of the 
United Klans of America? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you engaged in training persons known to you 
to be members of the United Klans of America in demolition exercises 
and the use of fireams, military training, judo, and karate? 



^ Not called as witness due to physical condition. 



2288 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to ansAver that question based 
upon the gi-punds ])reviously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point I would like to state for 
the record that investifjation conducted by this committee shows that 
Mr. Bartlett is currently a member of the Eealm of Georgia, United 
Klans of America; further, that he holds the position of o;i'and klarogo 
of the Realm of Georgia and has held that position at least since July 
of 1965; that he is a member of Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

Our investigation further shows that Mr. Bartlett has acted as an 
instructor in training Klansmen in the use of fireams, explosive, mili- 
tary-type training, and judo. 

Mr. Bartlett, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that the results of the committee's investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that 

Mr. Manuel. Excuse me. Before you answer that, Mr. Bartlett, 
I would like to state further for the record that the committee investi- 
gation shows that you are also the titan of Province 6 of the Realm 
of Georgia, United Klans of America. 

Now, including that and the other results of our investigation. I 
put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that the 
results of our investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gi'ounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Buchanan left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I would furtlier like to state for the 
record that as of the 11th day of October 1965, Mr. Bartlett held the 
position which our investigation shows he did hold at that time. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the ground previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, are you appearing before the committee 
today in response to a subpena served upon you by Deputy Marshal 
Allen, at 9 o'clock p.m. on the 11th day of October, 1965, at 292 Conley 
Road, Forest Park, Georgia ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, it is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chalmers. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, paragraph 1 of your subpena calls upon 
you to produce : 

AH books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire. 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated or- 
ganizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue F5ervice, Georgia Rescue Service. State 
Men's Club. Clayton County Klavern #52 and the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. in 
your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as 
Grand Klarogo. Realm of Georgia. Titan Province #6. Realm of Georgia, and 
judo, firearms and demolition instructor. Realm of Georgia of the Invisible Em- 
pire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known 
as the United Klans of America. Inc.. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you now, sir, to produce those items called for in paragraph 1 
of your subpena. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee under subpena dated 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2289 

October 11, 1965, for that informcation is not relevant and o^ermane to 
the subject under investigation and tlie same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is such 
inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated by the 
Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Resolu- 
tion 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in the subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amend- 
ments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of 
America. 

The Chairman. Mr. Counselor, I offer to make the following stipu- 
lation along the lines of those previously entered into: (1) That the 
witness has been furnished with a copy of the chairman's opening 
statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its contents; 
(2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the documents called 
for are made to the witness in the official representative capacity de- 
scribed in the subpena. 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir ; it is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. Therefore, Mr. Bartlett, since we have not agreed 
to the reasons you have indicated for refusing to produce the docu- 
ments, I now order and direct you to produce them. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls for 
you to produce : 

AU books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity as 
Grand Klarogo, Realm of Georgia, Titan Province # 6, Realm of Georgia, and 
judo, firearms and demolition instructor. Realm of Georgia of the United 
Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution 
and Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be maintained by you 
and any other oflScer of said organization, the same being in your possession, 
custody or control. 

I now ask you, sir, to produce the documents called for in paragraph 
2 of your subpena. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Is the same stipulation agreed to ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. For the reasons previously given, Mr. Bartlett, I 
order and direct you to produce these documents. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, did you attend the State convention of 
the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, held in Savannah, 
Georgia, in July 1965? 

Mr. Bartlett, I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 



2290 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

in violation of my rights as fjiiaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, that you did attend that 
State convention and that you were elected at that convention to the 
office of grand klarogo for the Realm of Georgia, United Klans of 
America. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our investigation shows, Mr. Bartlett, that at that 
convention in July of 1965 in Savannah, Georgia, the following per- 
sons were elected to office within the Realm of Georgia, United Klans 
of America : 

Calvin F. Craig, of Atlanta, was elected to the position of Grand 
Dragon; Thomas Jenkins of Lithonia, Georgia, was elected to the 
position of Grand Klaliff; John M. Parker of Roswell, Georgia, was 
elected to the position of grand kligrapp; James D. Newberry of 
Atlanta was elected to the position of grand klabee; Grady C. Little 
of Doraville, Georgia, was elected to the position of grand kladd; 
John L. Brock of DeKalb County, Georgia, was elected to the position 
of grand klokard ; Cleveland Eugene Canup of Lilburn, Georgia, was 
elected to the position of grand klexter ; J. D. Johnson, of Stone Moun- 
tain, Georgia, was elected to the position of grand kludd; and David 
J. Mathis of Lawrenceville, Georgia, was elected to the position of 
grand night-hawk. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, were you present in the hearing room to- 
day when Chief Howard Smith of Clayton County, Georgia, testified? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, upon my advice, he was not here 
this morning. 

Mr. Chairman. Proceed. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith testified this morning, Mr. Bartlett, that 
approximately 10 days ago he personally had a conversation with you 
in his office in Jonesboro, Georgia. Is this testimony correct? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. ManueI;. During the course of that conversation. Chief Smith 
stated that you advised him that you had nothing to hide and that you 
would come to the committee as a subpenaed witness and tell what you 
knew about the Klan organization. Is that testimony correct ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Buchanan returned to the hearing room.) 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith furtlier testified that in anotlier conver- 
sation which he personally had witli you, you admitted to him that you 
were the demolition man for the ITnited Klans of America, Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52, and tliat you had conducted for Klansmen 
certain explosive demolition instructions. It that testimony correct ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



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Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith further testified that you had told him 
that you liad ^iven that same statement, or words to that effect, to an 
investigator of this committee. Is that testimony correct ? 

Mr. Bartleti\ I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the <^rounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith further testified that it was his recol- 
lection of the conversation that the name of Investigator Manuel of 
the Committee on Un-American Activities came up and that it was 
his recollection that you had told him that you told Investigator 
Manuel that you were the demolition man for the United Klans of 
America, Clayton County Klavern No. 52. Is that testimony correct? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you had, as a matter of fact, any conversation 
whatsoever with Investigator Manuel of the House Committee on Un- 
American Activities ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that you never had any conversation with Investi- 
gator Manuel of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, 
who happens to be, if you don't know, myself. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Sir, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you are the instructor in explosives, military-type 
training, judo, firearms, and karate for the Clayton County Klavern 
No. 52. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our committee investigation shows that on October, 
17, 1964, Clayton County Klavern No. 52, United Klans of America, 
Inc., sponsored a demolition school on the farm of Robert L. Bing, 
located near Highway 138 in Henry County, Georgia. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Robert L. Bing is the exalted cyclops of Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our investigation reveals that on that occasion you 
were the instructor and you explained in the course of your instruction 
that a Klansman should know sabotage and demolition work in the 
event our country is ever invaded and taken over by an enemy, in 
which case you stated the Klan would have to work underground. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

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2292 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. I wonder at this time, Mr. Bartlett, if you would 
tell the committee exactly who is the enemy that you were explaining 
to the Klansmen so gathered on Robert Bing's farm? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our investigation further shows that on that same 
afternoon, and continuing with the same line of conversation and 
instniction, you said that one of the most important things about an 
underground organization is communications and organizational set- 
up. At that time you showed a chart which depicted the setup of an 
underground group and you read from several printed pages. 

I wonder if you would identify for the committee the printed book, 
the book from which you were reading ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully declme to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. MiVNUEL. I would like to ask you where is the chart from which 
you depicted the setup of an underground group ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our investigation further reveals that later in the 
demonstration you explained how to make a booby trap and you 
actually set one off, with a string across a make-believe road. You 
connected the string to clothes pins which, in turn, were connected to 
a battery and several sticks of dynamite which had been buried about 
150 feet away in a field. 

A volunteer Klansman tripped the string and the dynamite in the 
field exploded. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. It is within your knowledge to state, sir, whether ex- 
ploding dynamite in the State of Georgia is against the law ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manltel. Do you know Daniel Bruce to be likewise an instructor 
in small arms fire, judo, karate, and demolition equipment and to be a 
member of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Daniel Bruce has assisted you in "the instruction 
of explosive devices, small arms fire, judo, and karate. 

Mr. Barti.ett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, I would like to inquire of you now as to 
your background which enables you to be an instructor of explosive 
devices, judo, karate, and small arms fire. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett. are you a member of an organization 
known as the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2293 

Mr. Barti.ett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the ojronnds previously stated. 

Mr. Mani'io.. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., is a cover for Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 and all the incorporators and officers of Clay- 
ton Civic Club, Inc., are also officers and members of Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds j^reviously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, I would like to show you a copy of a 
directive sent from Calvin F. Craig, Grand Dragon, Realm of 
Georgia, headed "United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku 
Klux Klan, P.O. Box 10753, Atlanta, Georgia," dated January 17, 
1965, and reading as follows : 

Esteemed Klansmen : 

We will start Judo, Karate, and Rifle and Pistol firing training on Monday, 
•Tanuarj- 2.3, 1965 at the Heni-y County #C0 Klavern. 

Four (4) trophies have already been purchased by Klayton #52 Klavern. 
There will be a trophy for each of the above classes. 

Everyone who participates in the training MUST sign a release of all re- 
sponsibilities. 

Each participant will pay .$2.50 to cover 2i^ months of training. This train- 
ing is sponsored by Klayton #52. Contact #52 for any further information. 

It is not signed but imprinted "I.T.S.U.B., Calvin F. Craib, Grand 
Dragon, Realm of Georgia." 

Sir, I hand you a copy of this directive and ask if you have ever 
seen or received a similar copy ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 1." See 
p. 2161.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, who appointed you to be the demolition 
instructor and also the instructor in military training, small arms 
fire, judo, and karate, which position you actually did hold? 

Mr. Bartleti\ I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you act as the demolition instructor and also the 
instructor in rifle, pistol, judo, karate, and military type training with 
the Iviiowledge and consent of Grand Dragon Calvin F. Craig of the 
Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Calvin F. Craig knew of and approved of your 
being the instructor as I have outlined. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did Robert D. Bing, the exalted cyclops of Clayton 
Klavern No. 52, have knowledge of your acting as instructor in matters 
which I have previously described ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Robert L. Bing knew of and consented to your 



2294 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

being an instructor to Klansmen in the matters that I have previously 
identified. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bartlett, I would like now to show you a photo- 
graph taken by members of the Atlanta Police Department picturing 
Charles M. Bartlett and George Sligh. This picture was taken at a 
United Klans rally on the outskirts of Atlanta in September of 1965. 

I show you this photograph, sir, and ask you whether you are pic- 
tured therein and whether this was taken at a United Klans of Amer- 
ica rally ? 

(Photograph handed to witness.) 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Is the other person, identified as George Sligh in this 
photo, known to you to be a member of the United Klans of America, 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograph marked "Charles Bartlett Exhibit No. 1" appears on 
p. 2295.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this time the staif has no further 
questions of this witness. 

The Chairman. Mr. Bartlett, Mr. Manuel brought out that you had 
stated that you were giving this course of instructions in order to en- 
able members of the Klan to participate underground in the event of 
an attack by the enemy or an enemy. 

Why would you and members of the Klan want to go under ground 
in case of an attack on this country by anyone ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. If there was an attack made on this country by any- 
one, wouldn't you want to clef end it openly ? 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Pool. Mr. Bartlett, in view of your refusal to cooperate, I 
thought I might point out to you that the power of Congress to investi- 
gate anything such as this, the Ku Klux Klan, has been upheld by the 
Supreme Court of the United States. In fact, the first congressional 
investigation took place about 3 years after the adoption of the Con- 
stitution which you so readily rely upon, the fifth amendment of it. 
Alexander Hamilton, the Secretary of the Treasury, was investigated 
one time by Congress. Gerhart Eisler was investigated by this very 
same committee and skipped out. The Teapot Dome was a congres- 
sional investigation. Alger Hiss, the German-American Bund, the 
Costello underground investigation, the Kefauver drug investigation — 
all of these things have been done by Congress and this is a committee 
of Congress sitting here asking you questions, and you are taking the 
fifth amendment on a very simple question, such as where you were 
born, and this question that the chairman just put to you. 

Frankly, I don't think you look very good to the American people 
wlien they read about these things in the paper, all of you gentlemen 
coming here and taking the fifth amendment all the way through. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2295 



Charles Bartlett Exhibit No. 1 




Photograph of (1) Charles M. Bartlett and (2) George Sligh, taken at a United Klans 
rally on outskirts of Atlanta, Ga. in September 1965. 



I would hope that you would cooperate with this committee if you 
have any voluntary statements to make. Maybe you would like to do 
it that way. 

The power of this committee to investigate is based upon the power 
of Congress to make laws on the recommendations of this committee, 
to amend laws, to inform the people, and also to look into oversights 
in the administration of laws and things like that. 

It is a very serious purpose we are here for. I certainly would think 
that you, if you consider yourself a good American citizen, would 
cooperate with the Congress and cooperate with this conunittee, which 
is an arm of the Congress. 

Do you have any further statement to make to this committee ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 



2296 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Pool. I giiess he hasn't any^ Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. I think that is in the form of a question. 

Mr. Bartlett. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Chairman, there was some question raised by 
the questioning of the investigator as to whether he, Mr. Manuel, 
had ever had conversation with Mr. Bartlett. In order that we might 
have some affirmative evidence on that, I should like to inquire of Mr. 
Manuel, and he is still under oath, as to whether or not he has ever 
had any conversation with Mr. Bartlett. 

Mr. Manuel. Sir, I stated for the record tliat I had none. 

Mr. Weltner. That is all I had, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Chairman, I will simply say, in line with what 
Mr. Pool was saying, that we are here representing the Congress and 
as Members of the Congress we represent the people of the United 
States. What we seek to do here is something we are doing for the 
people of the United States, and he that shows contempt for this com- 
mittee is in fact showing contempt for the people of this country. 

The Chairman, The witness is excused and released from his sub- 
pena. 

Call your next witness, 

Mr. Manuel, Mr, Chairman, at this time I would like to call to the 
stand Mr, Daniel Bruce, 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Bruce. I do. 

The Chairman. Proceed. 

TESTIMONY OF DANIEL EDWARD BRUCE, ACCOMPANIED BY 
COUNSEL, LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, would you please state your full name 
for the record, sir? 

Mr. Bruce. Daniel Edward Bruce. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you represented today, Mr. Bruce, by counsel? 

Mr. Bruce. Yes. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, where do you currently reside? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr, Manuel. Sir, when and where were you born? 

Mr. Bruce. I respectfully decline to answer that question on the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, are vou currentlv a member of a Ku Klux 
Klan organization? 

Mr. Bri^ce. I respectfully decline to answer that question on the 
grounds which I previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2297 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this point, I would like to state 
for the record that, as of the 11th day of October 1965, our investi- 
gation shows that Mr. Bruce is a member of the United Klans of 
America, Realm of Georgia ; further, that he is a member of the Clay- 
ton County Klavern No. 52, and an original incorporator of the Clay- 
ton Civic Club, Inc.; and that he has acted as demolition, judo, and 
firearms instructor for Klansmen of the United Klans of America, 
Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Bruce, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that the results of the committee investigation as I have outlined 
them are correct. 

Mr. Bruce. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I have previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, are you appearing before the committee 
today in response to a subpena served upon you by Deputy Marshal 
Allen on October 11, 1965, at 9 :45 p.m., served at Adamson Road and 
Lake Drive, in Jonesboro, Georgia? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, with respect to the stipulation with 
regard to the subpena, I desire with respect to this witness to enter 
into the same stipulation that we have heretofore entered into with 
respect to the sub|)ena. 

The Chairman. Thank you. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr, Bruce, paragraph 1 of your subpena calls upon 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to 
the organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as 
the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service, 
State Men's Club, Clayton Klavern # 52 and Clayton Civic Club, Inc., in your 
possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as mem- 
ber of Clayton Klavern # 52 and Clayton Civic Club, Inc., and judo, firearms and 
demolition instructor, Realm of Georgia of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the United Klans 
of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

I ask you now, sir, to produce those items called for in paragraph 
1 of your subpena. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
any and all records as requested by this committee under the sub- 
pena dated October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and 
germane to the subject under investigation, and the same would not aid 
the Congress in its consideration of any valid, remedial legislation, 
nor is such within the scope of the authority for the matter to be in- 
vestigated by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the Congress, or by 
Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded in a subpena dated October 11, 1965, for the reason 
that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

The Chairman. I am told by counsel of the committee that we 
better make clear that tlie stipulation with reference to the return of 
the subpena is that the return and time of the services is the return 
shown by the United States marshal. 



2298 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Chal^iers. Yes, sir ; on its face ; yes, sir. 

The CiiAiRiVrAN. In line with all other instances, I offer to make the 
following stipulation: That the witness has been furnished a copy of 
the chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965. and that he is 
familiar with its contents; and (2) that the directions of the snbpena to 
produce the documents called for are made to the witness in the official 
representative capacity described in the subpena. 

That is agreed to ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. In light of that, Mr. Bruce, I order and direct you 
to produce the documents called for. 

Mr. Brtjce. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
any and all documents demanded and ordered by the committee based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, I hand you a copy of a charter filed in the 
Superior Court, of Clayton County, State of Georgia, the first para- 
graph of which lists several names, among them "D. E. Bruce, Box 117, 
Jonesboro, Georgia." 

This is the charter for the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., filed the 5th day 
of January 1965. 

Mr. Bruce, I hand you this document and ask you if you are the 
D.E.Bruce listed? 

(AVitness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

(Document previously marked "Wesley Bailey Exhibit No. 1.") 

Mr. Manuel. Is Box 117, Jonesboro, Georgia, which is listed after 
your name, your mailing address ? 

Mr. Bruce. I respectfully decline to answer that question on the 
grounds which I have previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The committee investigation has revealed that the 
Clayton Civic Club, Inc., is a cover for the Clayton County Klavern 
No. 52 of the Realm of Georgia, United Klans of America, and that 
all officers and members of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., are also officers 
and members of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question on the 
grounds which I have previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The other incorporators listed on this charter are 
Fred Hand, Route 8, College Park, Georgia ; W. G. Bailey, 167 Dixie 
Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia: B. J. Hand, Route 3, Jonesboro, Georgia: 
Roy Meadows, 114 Lake Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia ; Henry Hand, 
Johnson Road, Forest Park, Georgia; and J. W. Wells, of 125 Tangle- 
wood Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia. 

Do you know these persons to be members of the Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52, Realm of Georgia, United Klans of America? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2299 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that those persons whom I mentioned are members of 
thie Chiyton County Khivern No. 52, United Klans of America, Realm 
of Georgia ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Since the 5th of Januarv 1965, where has the Clayton 
County No. 52 Klavern held its meetings e 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I res])ectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that since the 5tli of January, 1965, Clayton County 
Clavern No. 52 has met in a building owned by the Clayton Civic Club, 
Inc. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manlt:l. Were you in the hearing room this morning, Mr. 
Bruce, when Chief Howard Smith of the Clayton County Police De- 
partment testified before the committee ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, upon my advice he was not present 
at the hearing this morning. 

Mr. Manuel. Chief Smith testified that to his knowledge the Clay- 
ton County Civic Club, Inc., had purchased property which he de- 
scribed for a price of $35,000. 

As a member, as original incorporator of the Clayton Civic Club, 
Inc., could you tell the committee how the financial arrangements were 
made ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. To your knowledge, sir, are there any members of the 
Clayton County Civic Club, Inc., who are not members of the Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52, United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, have you ever acted as an instructor in the 
art of demolition, judo, karate, or military training to persons known 
to you to be members of the United Klans of America ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Committee investigation has shown that on October 
17, 1964, Clayton No. 52 Klavern of the United Klans of America, 
Realm of Georgia, sponsored a demolition school on the farm of Robert 
L. Bing, located near Highway 138 in Henry County, Georgia. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that Robert L. Bing, upon whose farm the 
instruction was given, is the exalted cyclops of Clayton County Klav- 
ern No. 52. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I repectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which were previously stated. 



2300 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that on October 17, you acted as an instructor in de- 
molition, small arms firing, judo, and karate on the farm of Robert 
L. Bing? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, who appointed you to be a demolition in- 
structor ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. 'WHiat background do you have, to be engaged in dem- 
olition instruction? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our committee investigation has shown that subse- 
quent to the demonstration given by Mr. Bartlett, which I previously 
described during his testimony, you explained and demonstrated to 
a group of Klansmen how to set off a fire bomb. 

You made a fire bomb and explained it was composed of one third 
motor oil and two thirds gasoline. You made it up in a quart milk 
bottle with a cork stopper, over which a rag soaked with gasoline was 
left protruding from the cork stopper, and you explained and demon- 
strated that by lighting the rag and throwing the bottle it would ex- 
plode and also set fire. 

Other methods of constructing bombs and detonating explosives 
were demonstrated, such as one method in which a candle was used 
and another method in which a cigarette was fixed into a book of 
matches causing an explosion. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, 
that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated, 

Mr. Manuel. Our committee investigation has shown that among 
those present were Robert Bing, Jimmy Webb, George Sligh, Fred 
Hand, Charles Bartlett, and Wesley G. Bailey. 

Are the results of our committee investigation correct? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our committee investigation has also shown that, in 
addition to members of the I"''nited Klans of iVmerica being in attend- 
ance on that particular occasion, tliere were H. J. Jones and Clyde 
Newburn, of the T~^. S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, in at- 
tendance also. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, T respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I have previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, have you ever held the offi.ce of klokann 
chief of the Clayton County Klavern No, 52? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, T respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which T previously stated. 

Mr. Mantt.l. Mr. Bruce, the committee investigation has revealed 
that on January 18, 1965, at a meeting of the Clayton County Klavern 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2301 

No. 52, held in the Clayton County Civic Club building in Jonesboro, 
Georgia, an announcement was made reo:arding military training 
which would begin on January 24, 1965, at the Henry County Klavern 
No. 60, near McDonough, Georgia, and would extend for a period of 6 
weeks. 

It was further announced that rifle and pistol training would be 
under the supervision of Daniel Bruce. 

Sir, are you the Daniel Bruce so referred to by our committee 
investigation? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manup:l. The announcement further made on January 18, 1965, 
stated that judo and karate training would be held at the Clayton 
County Klavern No, 52 in Jonesboro, Georgia, 2 evenings a week. 

Is the result of the committee investigation correct ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bruce, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you acted as an instructor in the activities 
which I have pre\'iously described with the full knowledge and con- 
sent of Grand Dragon Calvin F. Craig of the Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gi^ounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I further put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that you so acted with the knowledge and consent of 
exalted cyclops Robert L. Bing. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I would like to show you now a copy, the same copy 
I showed to Mr. Bartlett, the previous witness, of a directive from the 
office of Calvin F. Craig, Grand Dragon, Realm of Georgia, dated 
January 17, 1965, reading : 

Esteemed Klansmen : 

We will start Judo, Karate, and Rifle and Pistol firing training on Monday, 
.January 2'}, 196ij at the Henry County #60 Klavern. 

I show you this document and ask you if you have ever received a 
copy of that particular document ? 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 1.'' See 
p. 2161.) 

Mr. Manuel. The committee has information that on February 7, 
1965 rifle and pistol training was given to Klansmen sponsored by 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52 at the Henry County No. 60 Klavern 
near McDonough, Georgia, and that 3 hours of instruction and prac- 
tice were given in rifle and pistol. Among those present w^ere Charles 
Bartlett, Daniel Bruce, Jimmy Wells, Fred Hand, and Billy Joe 
Hand. 

Is the result of the committee investigation correct, Mr. Bruce? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds I previously stated. 



2302 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you tell the committee what your purpose is in 
acting as an instructor in the art of demolition, judo, karate, and mili- 
tary-type training to persons known to you to be members of the United 
Klans of America ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you please tell the committee what are the du- 
ties of a klokann chief of a Klavern ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Is it the duty of a klokann chief to investigate pro- 
spective members into the Klavern ? 

Mr, Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you ever investigated any prospective members 
into Clayton County Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff at this time has no further 
questions. 

Mr. Weltner. Mr. Bruce, on this document dated January 17, 1965, 
addressed "Esteemed Klansmen," and announcing the beginning of 
judo, karate, rifle- and pistol-firing training, it has the name "Calvin 
F. Craig, Grand Dragon," and before that are the initials "I.T.S.U.B." 

I wonder if you would tell us what those initials mean ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Bruce, I notice that you are wearing a triangu- 
lar pin so designed that if one views it from any side he can read a "K." 
Since not only you but other witnesses have worn this pin, a number 
of them, I ask you if it is not a fact that this is a Klan pin you are 
wearing ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. I take it from my information that this is in fact 
a Klan pin. I understand by paying some extra money you can get 
a blood drop in it. Is that true ? 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds Avhich I previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. "Wliat interests me is that you and others have 
come before this committee and have been unable or unwilling to admit 
you are a member of the Ku Klux Klan and yet you rather boldly 
and brazenly wear this Klan pin in this hearing room where you 
won't admit to being a Klan member. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer 

Mr. Buchanan. I didn't ask a question, but I will ask if that is 
not the case, so you can give an answer. 

Mr. Bruce. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds which I previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. No further questions. 

The Chairman. The committee will stand in recess for 1 minute. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2303 

(Brief recess.) 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will be in order. The subcom- 
mittee will stand in recess until 10 o'clock in the morning. 

(Subconnnittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

(Whereupon, at 3 :14 p.m., Wednesday, November 3, 1965, the sub- 
committee recessed to reconvene in public session at 10 a.m., Thursday, 
November 4, 1965.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KIJ KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS IN 

THE UNITED STATES 

Part 2 



THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1965 

United States House of Representatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 

Washington, D.C. 
public hearings 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities met, 
pursuant to recess, at 10 :25 a.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon House 
Office Building, Washington, D.C, Hon. Edwin E. Willis (chairman) 
presiding. 

(Subcommittee members: Representatives Edwin E. Willis, of Lou- 
isiana, chairman ; Joe R. Pool, of Texas ; Charles L. Weltner, of Geor- 
gia; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio; John H. Buchanan, Jr., of Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present: Representatives Willis, Pool, and 
Weltner. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; William 
Hitz, general counsel; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel; Donald T. Appell, 
chief investigator; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

The Chairman. The subcommittee will come to order. 

Mr. Manuel, call your first witness. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, at this time I would like to call to the 
stand Mr. J. W. Wells. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will 
be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you 
God? 

Mr. Wells. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF JIMMY W. WELLS, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr, Wells, will you please state your full name for the 
record ? 
Mr. Wells. Jimmy W. Wells. 

(At this point Representative Buchanan entered the hearing room.) 
Mr. Manuel. Are you represented this morning by counsel, sir? 
Mr. Wells. Yes, lam. 
Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself for the record^ 

2305 



2306 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Chalmers. I am Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 
501, First Federal Building, Ealeigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, when and where were you born ? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, what is your occupation ? 

Mr. Wells. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Where do you currently reside? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. From your appearance and the fact that you didn't 
even read the last response, I take it that you have some schooling. 

Could it be stipulated what that is? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Chalmers. I am certain that your records will reveal that Mr. 
Wells is a high school graduate. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, are you currently a member of a Ku Klux 
Klan organization ? 

Mr. Wells. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, T put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that as of the 14th day of October, you were 
the klaliff, or vice president, of Clayton County Klavern No. 52, 
United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that as of 14 October 1964 you were the secretary of 
the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, are you appearing before the committee 
today in response to a subpena served upon you on the 14th of October 
1965 at 7 :30 p.m., by Deputy Marshal Allen, served upon you at 125 
Tanglewood Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia ? 

The Chairman. Will you stipulate the return made by the marshal ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, paragraph 1 of your subpena called upon 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda relating to 
the organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Em- 
pire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known 
as the United Klans of America. Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service, 
State Men'.s Club, Clayton Klavern # r>2. and Clayton Civic Club, Inc., in your 
possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you as kla- 
liff, Clayton Klavern # 52 of the Invisible Emi)ire. United Klans, Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the United Klans of America, 
Inc.. Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. Wells, I now request that you provide the committee the items 
as outlined in paragraph 1 of your subpena. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE tJ.S. 2307 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the commit- 
tee any and all records as requested by this committee under 
subpena dated October 14, 1965, for that information is not relevant 
and <iermane to the subject under investigation and the same would 
not aid the Conoress in the consideration of any valid remedial legis- 
lation, nor is such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be in- 
vestigated by Eule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by 
House Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in a subpena dated October 14, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amend- 
ments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of 
America. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, we have previously made the follow- 
ing stipulation: (1) Tliat the witness has been furnished a copy of the 
chairman's opening statement of October 19, 1965, that he is familiar 
with its contents ; (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the 
documents called for are made to the witness in the official representa- 
tive capacity described in the subpena. 

Is this stipulation agreed to ? 

Mr. Chalmers. It is so stipulated. 

The Chairman. For reasons that we do not accept, your reasons 
for failure to produce those documents, Mr. Wells, I now order and 
direct you to produce them. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the documents demanded and orderd by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls upon 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda in your pos- 
session, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you, in your capacity 
as Klalifif, Clayton Klavern # 52, of the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "(^institution and Laws" of said organization 
authorize and require to be maintained by you and any other officer of said or- 
ganization, the same being in your possession, custody or control. 

I now ask you, sir, to produce the documents and items as outlined 
in paragraph 2. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation is made ? 

Mr. Chalmers. The same stipulation with respect to paragraph 2; 
yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Wells, I order and direct you to produce those 
documents. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
the documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. AVells, I would like to now show you a copy of a 
charter filed in Superior Court of Clayton County, Georgia. The 
charter is that of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., dated 5 January 1965. 

The first paragraph lists several individuals, among w^hom is J. W. 
Wells, of 125 Tanglewood Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia. 

59-222 O — 67— pt. 2 23 



2308 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

I hand you this document, sir, and ask you if you are the J. W. 
AVells who is named in this document. 

]\Ir. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question for 
the reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate 
me in violation of my rights as guaranteed me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

(Document previously marked "Wesley Bailey Exhibit No. 1.") 

Mr. Manuel. Is 125 Tanglewood Drive, Jonesboro, Georgia, your 
home address, sir ? 

Mr. Wells. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Paragraph 1 of this document lists the following in- 
dividuals : Fred Hand, Route 3, College Park, Georgia. 

Mr. Wells, do you know Fred Hand to be the president of the Clay- 
ton Civic Club, Inc., and also a member of Clayton County Klavern 
No. 52 of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Wells. Sir I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the groimds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. D. E. Bruce, of Box 117, Jonesboro, Georgia, is also 
listed as an original incorporator of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc. Do 
you know Mr. D. E. Bruce to be the klokann chief of Klavern No. 52, 
United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. To your direct knowledge, has Mr. D. E. Bruce en- 
gaged in instructing members of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 
and other members of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, 
in the art of judo, karate, demolition, or military-type training? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you ever assisted Mr. Bruce in such activities? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Also listed in paragraph 1 of the charter of the Clay- 
ton Civic Club, Inc., is Mr. B, J. Hand, of Route 3, Jonesboro, Georgia. 

Do you know Mr. B. J. Hand to be the klabee or treasurer of Clayton 
Klavern No. 52, TTnited Klans of America, Realm of Georgia? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Also listed is Mr. Henry Hand, of Johnson Road. 
Forest Park, Georgia. 

Do you know Mr. Henry Hand to be a member of the Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 and to be vice president of the Clayton Civic 
Club, inc.? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Also listed is Mr. Roy Meadows, of 114 Lake Drive, 
Jonesboro, Georgia, as an original incorporator of the Clayton Civic 
Club, Inc. 

Do you know Mr. Meadows to be a member of the Clayton County 
Klavern No, 52 of the Realm of Georgia, United Klans of America? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2309 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon tlie o-rounds previously stated. 

Mr. Maxiel. Also listed is Mr. W. G. Bailey, of 167 Dixie Drive, 
Jonesboro, Georoia. 

Do you know Mr. Bailey to be a member and officer of the Clayton 
County Klavern Xo. 52, UKA, Realm of Georf^ia ? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the f^rounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. INIr. Wells, the committee has received a report from 
the Internal Revenue Service, Department of the U.S. Treasury, 
from Revenue Officer I. W. Spillers, who operates out of the State of 
Georgia, dated August "2, 1965, in which Mr. Spillers interviewed Mr. 
Fred Hand, the president of the Clayton County Civic Club. 

This report states that Mr. Hand stated to the Internal Revenue 
officer that the Clayton County Civic Club owns a buildino- which 
has a grocery store and several offices in the building, which Mr. and 
Mrs. Hand operate. Mr. Hand stated that the Clayton Civic Club 
had 85 members and the sole purpose is to help the needy in sickness 
or when they are down and out. 

Membership fees, according to this report, were $5 each. The store 
is just north of Jonesboro Highway 54 and the address of Mr. Hand 
is as follows: Route 3, College Park, Georgia, and so forth. 

I hand you this document, Mr. Wells, and as secretary of the Clay- 
ton Civic Club, Inc., could you tell whether Mr. Hand truly repre- 
sented the purpose of the Clayton Civic Club, Inc., to Revenue Officer 
Spillers ? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document marked "Jimmy Wells Exhibit No. 1" appears on p. 
2310.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, when did you become the kligrapp or vice 
president of Clayton County Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Robert L. Bing is the exalted cyclops of Clay- 
ton County No. 52 Klavern. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that Mr. W. B. Parr is the kligrapp, or secretary, and 
Mr. B. J. Hand is the klabee, or treasurer, of Clayton County Klavern 
No. 52. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you attended a demolition instruction 
school sponsored by the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 on October 
17, 1964, at the farm of Robert L. Bing, the exalted cyclops of Clay- 
ton County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 



2310 



TO 



FROM 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 
Jimmy Wells Exhibit No. 1 



UNITED STATES ^ v'ERNMENT 

Memorandum 



Georgo M. Scott 
Group Supervisor 

I. W. Spillers 
Revenue Officer 



date: August 2, 1965 



subject: Clayton Civic Club, Inc. 

Headqxiarters - Jonesboro, Georgia 



Contact was made with Mr. Fred Hand, President of the above corporation. 
Mr. Hand presented .-a, with the charter which showed the above as being 
incorporated on'^amm 5> 19^5 . 

Thi3 corporation owns a building which has a grocery store and several 
offices in the building. Mr. and Mrs. Hand operate the store. 

Mr. Hand stated that they had 85 members and there sole purpose is to 
help the needy in sickness or when they are iova and out. Membership 
fees were $ 5.00 each. 

This store is Just north of Jonesboro - Highway 54. The address of 
Mr. Hand is as follows: 

Mr. Pred Hand 

Rt. 3, College Park, GeorgiA 

S. S. # 253-03-0299 




I. W. Spillirs 



i-c-ci 




Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, tliat the instructors on that occasion where Mr. Charles 
Bartlett and Mr. Daniel Bruce. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the i^rounds previously stated. 

Mr. Maxuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you assisted and aided Mr. Bruce in one of the 
explosion demonstrations. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact that the demonstration in 
which you aided Mr. Bruce consisted of the demonstration of how 
to set off a tire bomb and the fire bomb was made of one-third motor 
oil and two-thirds gasoline in a quart milk bottle with a cork stopper. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2311 

A rag soaked witli o-asolinc was left protruding from the cork stop- 
per and this rag was lighted, causing an explosion and a fire. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that the results of the committee investigation in this regard 
are correct. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manl*el. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that in attendance at that demonstration were 
Robert L. Bing, Daniel Bruce, George Sligh, Fred Hand, Charles 
Bartlett, Wesley G. Bailey, from ("Clayton County Klavern No. 52. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answ^er that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. In addition to members of the United Klans of 
America, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that Mr. H. J. Jones, the Imperial Wizard of the U.S. Klans, 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and another member of that organi- 
zation, Clyde Newborn, were also in attendance at that particular 
explosive demonstration. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, what was your particular purpose in 
attending such a demolition demonstration. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, I hand you a copy of a directive from 
Calvin F. Craig, Grand Dragon, Realm of Georgia, dated January 17, 
1965, which I have introduced before to other witnesses. 

The Chairman. Just paraphrase it. 

Mr. Manuel. In this, Mr. Craig outlines the start of a judo, 
karate, and rifle- and pistol-firing training w^hich was to begin Mon- 
day, January 25, 1965, at "Henry County #60 Klavern,'" and also 
in this document Mr. Craig announces that the training is sponsored 
by "Klayton #52" Klavern. 

Mr. Wei>ls. I hand you a copy of this document and ask you if 
you have received a copy. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, have you received a copy prior to this 
hearing, a copy of that document? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

(Document previously marked "Calvin Craig Exhibit No. 1." See 
p. 2161.) 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Wells, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were in attendance at a meeting of 
the Clayton No. 52 Klavern on January 18, 1965. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The committee's investigation shows that at this 
meeting it Avas announced that military training Avould begin in the 
near future and extend for a period of 6 Aveeks, and the place of the 
training was announced as Clayton No. 60 Klavern, near McDonough, 
Georgia, and would consist of rifle and pistol training. 



2312 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Also included were judo, karate, and demolition training, to be 
under the sponsorship of Mr. Charles Bartlett and Mr. Daniel 
BiTice. 

I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that the results of the committee investigation are correct. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manitsl. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm 
or deny the fact, that Clayton Klavern No. 52 also holds sessions 
2 evenings a week at the Clayton No. 52 Klavern in Jonesboro, 
Georgia, m which judo and karate training are given by Mr. Bartlett 
and Mr. Bruce. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Sir, the committee investigation has revealed that 
you were in attendance at rifle and pistol training given by Clayton 
County No. 52 Klavern on February 7, 1965, at which time about 3 
hours' instruction and practice was given in rifle and pistol firing 
under the instruction of Charles M. Bartlett and Daniel Bruce. 

Our investigation shows that you were in attendance on that oc- 
casion. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the 
fact, that the committee's investigation in this regard is correct. 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions 
of this witness. 

Mr. Weltner. I have no questions, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Mr. Buchanan ? 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Wells, I note you helped to get up a false 
front organization for this Klavern. Was that because you were 
ashamed to be known as a Klavern, as part of the Ku Klux Klan ? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. Is it perhaps the Klan is so similar in its structure 
and in the nature of its activities to other outfits that might operate 
typically tlirougli front organizations? 

Mr. Wells. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question 
based upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Buchanan. I have no further questions. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and released from his 
subpena. 

Mr. Chalmers. Thank j-ou, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Call your next witness. 

Mr. Manuel. I would like to call to the stand at this time, Mr. 
Chairman, Mr. W. B. Parr. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. Parr. I do. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2313 

TESTIMONY OF WALTER B. PARR, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. ]\Ianuel. Mr. Parr, would you please state your full name 
for the record ? 

Mr. Parr. Walter B. Parr. 

Mr. Manuel. That is P-a-r-r; is that correct? 

Mr. Parr. Correct. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you represented this morning by counsel ? 

Mr. Parr. I am. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Eoom 
501, First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. ]\Ianuel. When and where were you bom, Mr. Parr ? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 
4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. IManuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you were born July 8, 1906. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the ground previously stated. 

Mr. Manltel. What is your current occupation, Mr. Parr? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you are employed as a route salesman 
by the Atlanta Constitution and Atlanta Journal., an Atlanta, 
Georgia, newspaper. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the groimds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, are you currently a member of a Ku Klux 
Klan organization? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. ISIanuel. Mr. Parr, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you 
to affirm or deny the fact, that as of October 14, 1965, you were a 
member of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia; you were 
a member of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52, and in that particu- 
lar organization j^ou were the kligrapp, or secretary. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr, Parr, are you appearing before the committee 
today in response to a subpena served upon you on the 14th day of 
October 1965 at 8 p.m. by Deputy Marshal Allen ? The subpena was 
served at 279 North Main Street, Jonesboro, Georgia. 

The Chairman. Council stipulates to the correctness of the mar- 
shal's return ? 

Mr. CHALaiERs. Yes, sir. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, is 279 North Main Street, Jonesboro, 
Georgia, your residence ? 



2314 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, paragraph 1 of your subpena calls upon 
you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda relating to 
the organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible 
Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also 
known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, 
and affiliated organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia 
Rescue Service, State Men's Club, Clayton Klavern #52 and Clayton Civic 
Club, Inc., in your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or 
available to you as Kligrapp (Secretary), of Clayton County Klavern #.52, 
Realm of Georgia, of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku 
Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the United Klans of America, 
Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. Parr, I ask you now to produce the documents and items called 
for in paragraph 1. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee 
any and all records as requested by this committee upon subpena 
dated October 14, 1965, for that information is not relevant and 
germane to the subject under investigation and the same would not 
aid the Congress in the consideration of any valid remedial legisla- 
tion, nor is such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be 
investigated by Rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, 
by House Resolution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments as demanded by the committee in the subpena dated October 14, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so might tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amend- 
ments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of Amer- 
ica. 

The Chairman. We have lieretofore made the following stipulation 
relating to the production of documents under the subpena duces 
tecum: (1) That the witness has been furnished a copy of the chair- 
man's opening statement of October 19, 1965 ; that he is familiar with 
its contents, (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the 
documents called for are made to the witness in the official representa- 
tive capacity described in the subpena. 

Does that stipulation apply in this instance ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Mr. Parr, for the reason that the committee does 
not accept your grounds as justifying your failure to produce those 
documents, I now order and direct you to do so. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to this committe the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Paragraph 2 requires you to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence, and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintaine<l by or available to you, in your capacity as 
Kligrapp, Clayton County Klavern #52, United Klans of America, Inc., Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Constitution and Laws" of said organization 
authorize and require to be maintained by you and any other officer of said 
organization, the same being in your posses.sion, custody or control. 

I now ask you, sir, to produce the items as called for in paragraph 2. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2315 

Mr. Park. 1 respectfully decline to deliver to this conunitfee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
ofi'ounds previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. Our same stipulation, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. The same stipulation applies ? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Accordingly, I order and direct you to produce 
those documents. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds preA'iously stated. 

Mr. MvNiTEL. Mr. Parr, I would like to show you a document which 
is a charter of an organization known as the Knights of the Kii Klux 
Klan, Inc. This charter was granted by the Superior Court of Fulton 
County of the State of Georgia on the 7th day of December 1959. 

The charter lists as original incorporators H. J. Jones, R. L. Bing, 
Sr., W. B. Parr, and J. T. Campbell. 

I show you this document, sir, and ask you if you are the W. B. Parr 
who was the original incorporator of an organization known as the 
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc. ? 

(Document handed to witness.) 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me in 
violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, and 
14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

(Document marked "Walter Parr Exhibit No. 1" and retained in 
committee files.) 

Mr. Manuel. Is the H. J. Jones named herein currently the Im- 
perial Wizard of an organization known as the U.S. Klans, Knights 
of the Ku Klux Klan? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mr. Jones does hold that position with that organization. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that Mr. R. L. Bing mentioned herein as currently the exalted 
Cyclops of Clayton County Klavern No, 52 of the United Klans of 
America, Realm of Georgia. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that questioned based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. M.\NUEL. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that J. T. Campbell is currently a member of Clayton County 
Klavern No. 52, Realm of Georgia, United Klans of America. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previouly stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, are you currently a member of this orga- 
nization known as the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc. ? 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
on the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. What Avere the activities of this particular organiza- 
tion? 



2316 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the g^rounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Wliy was this organization formed in 1959? 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Did you hold any office in this Knights of the Ku Klux 
Klan, Inc. ? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, investigation conducted by this committee 
has shown that as early as September 28. 1963, you were the kligrapp, 
or secretary, of Clayton County Klavem No. 52. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
the results of the committee investigation in this regard are correct. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Further, the committee investigation has shown that 
you have continuouslv served as kligrapp, or secretary, of this Klavern 
for the years 1964 and 1965. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. JPaiT, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that on September 2, 1963, you attended a meet- 
ing of the Clayton County Klaveni No. 52 at which meeting Mr. 
Charles Bartlett gave a report concerning military training afforded 
some Klan members the previous day. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I resspectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you know Mr. Charles Bartlett to be an instructor 
in judo, karate, explosive de^nces, and military training for members 
of the Klan? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Have you yourself, Mr. Parr, ever participated in 
such training? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

All-. Manuel. Our investigation reveals, Mr. Parr, that on June 29, 
1964, you attended a meeting of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 
held at that time at Lake City, Georgia, Community House, at which 
a discussion was held concerning instruction of new Klavern members 
on the technique of committing violence without being caught. 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
you were in attendance at such a meeting on that date. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Would vou tell the committee, please, what methods 
or techniques of committing violence without being caught were taught 
and by whom? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2317 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that on July 16, 1964, you were present at a meeting of the 
Chiyton County Klavern No. 52 which was held at Lake City, Georgia, 
at which Mr. Calvin Craig, Grand Dragon of the Realm of Georgia, 
spoke. 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that at that meeting Mr. Craig spoke and said that 
from the Klan's investigation of three missing civil rights workers 
in Mississippi, the Federal Government had invaded the State of Mis- 
sissippi and had turned it into a police State. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

]Mr. Manuel. Sir, the committee investigation has shown that on 
August 27, 1964, you were in attendance at a meeting of the Clay- 
ton County Klavern No. 52 held in Lake City, Georgia, at which a 
discussion took place regarding contributions to assist in defraying the 
legal expenses of Klansmen who had been charged with the murder 
of Colonel Lemuel A. Penn. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you have knowledge as to whether such a collec- 
tion from Klansmen was taken? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, have you ever acted as a member of a de- 
gree team which naturalizes or initiates members into the Ku Klux 
Klan? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The committee investigation has shown, Mr. Parr, that 
you attended a meeting of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 on 
December 9, 1964, which was held in Lake City, Georgia, at which 
a discussion took place regarding the organization of a security com- 
mittee within the Klan. The purpose of this security committee would 
be to weed out from applicants for Klavern membership those indi- 
viduals who might potentially furnish information to law enforce- 
ment agencies. Is that correct ? 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Would you inform the committee why the Clayton 
County Klavern No. 52 would want to keep information of its activi- 
ties from law enforcement officers? 

Mr. Parr. I respectfully decline to answer the question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The committee investigation further shows, Mr. Parr, 
that on December 14, 1964, you were present at a meeting of the Clay- 
ton County Klavern No. 52 which was held at Lake City, Georgia, 
during which the members discussed the appointment of committees 
to investigate needy families in the area who might qualify as re- 
cipients of Klavern Christmas baskets. Is that information correct? 



2318 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the j]jrounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Parr, do you honestly feel that if you answered 
regarding the question as to whether the Klan donates Klavern Christ- 
mas baskets to needy families that you would incriminate yourself? 

Mr. Parr. I respectively decline to answer that question based upon 
tho grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Pool left the hearing room.) 

Mr. Maxuel. Mr. Parr, the committee investigation has established 
that on the 13th of July 1964 you were present at a meeting of the 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52 held in Lake City, Georgia, at which 
the Grand Dragon, Calvin Craig, spoke to the meeting. Is this infor- 
mation correct ? 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Our investigation shows that at this meeting Mr. 
Craig commented that he had never known of a Klansman being ar- 
rested who had followed his orders. Mr. Craig stated that any Klans- 
man who is arrested obviously is not following his orders. 

Is the result of the committee's investigation on the comments of 
Mr. Craig correct ? 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, the staff has no further questions of 
this witness. 

The Chairman. Mr. Parr, Mr. Manuel described what the commit- 
tee investigation disclosed and went as far as he was able to because 
he is under oath. He asked you whether it was not a fact that you 
attended a meeting about instruction in techniques whereby one would 
not be caught for committing violence. He further disclosed the 
committee investigation with reference to the appointment of a secu- 
rity committee within your Klan. 

Are those two occurrences connected with an underground operation 
which was mentioned yesterday whereby, in the event of an attack 
upon this country, some of the Klans or some of the Klaverns or some 
of the members would have to go underground to protect the coun- 
try, as I think they put it, instead of coming out locally and protecting 
the country above ground ? 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds previously stated. 

(At this point Mr. Pool returned to the liearing room.) 

The Chairman. Are there any questions from members of the 
subcommittee? 

Mr. Buchanan. Mr. Parr, in light of the instructions that you 
wanted to keep certain things from law enforcement officers, you don't 
keep things from law enforcement officers unless they are not legal; do 
you? For what reason would you keep from law enforcement officers 
acts or activities which are legal and constitute no violation of law? 

Mr. Parr. Sir, I respectfully decline to answer that question based 
upon the grounds as previously stated. 

The Chairman. The witness is excused and released from his 
subpena. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2319 

Thecoinniittee will stand in recess for 5 minutes. 

(AVherenpon at 11:15 a.m. tlie subcommittee recessed and recon- 
vened at 11:20 a.m. witli the followinf^ subcommittee members: Rep- 
resentatives Willis, Pool, Weltner, and l^uchanan, present at time of 
recess and Avhen liearin<:;s resumed.) 

The Chaikmax. The subcommittee will come to order. 

Mr. Manuel, call j'our next witness. 

Mr, ]\LvNUEL. Mr. Chairman, the staff would like to call at this time 
Mr. Robert L. Bin 0-. 

The Chairman. Please raise your right hand. 

You do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give 
will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 
you God ? 

Mr. BiNG. I do. 

TESTIMONY OF EOBERT LEWIS BING, ACCOMPANIED BY COUNSEL, 

LESTER V. CHALMERS, JR. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, would you state your full name for the 
record, sir? 

Mr. BiNG. Robert Lewis Bing. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you ever use the suffix "Senior'- after your name? 

(Witness confers with counsel.) 

Mr. Chalmers. He does not, Mr. Chairman. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, wdien and wdiere were you born ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my answer might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Are you represented today by counsel, Mr. Bing? 

Mr. Bing. Yes. 

Mr. Manuel. Will counsel identify himself for the record? 

Mr. Chalmers. Lester V. Chalmers, Jr., attorney at law, Room 501, 
First Federal Building, Raleigh, North Carolina. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were born on the 3d day of August 
1926 at White Hall, Alabama. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, where do you currently reside ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated . 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you reside on Route 2, in Stockbridge, Georgia. 

Mr. Bing. 1 respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. MvNUEL. And I further put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that Stockbridge is in Henry County, Georgia. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, what is your present occupation ? 

Mr. Bing. I resj^ectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 



2320 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that you are employed as a city driver by the Central Truck 
Lines in Atlanta, Georgia. 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, are you currently a member of a Ku Klux 
Klan organization ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that as of the 11th day of October 1965 you 
Avere the exalted cyclops of Clayton County Klavern No. 52, Realm of 
Georgia, United Klans of America. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, are you appearing before the committee 
this morning in response to a subpena served upon you on the 11th day 
of October 1965 at 11 :05 a.m. by Deputy U.S. Marshal Camp at the 
Central Truck Lines office on Moreland Avenue in Atlanta, Georgia? 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, it is so stipulated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, paragraph 1 of your subpena requires you 
to produce : 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda relating to the 
organization of and the conduct of business and affairs of the Invisible Empire, 
United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of America, Inc., also known as the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and affiliated 
organizations, namely, the Alabama Rescue Service, Georgia Rescue Service, 
State Mens Club, Clayton Klavern #52 and Clayton Civic (S.C.) Club, Inc. in 
your possession, custody or control, or maintained by you or available to you 
as Exalted Cyclops (president) of Clayton County Klavern #52. Realm of 
Georgia, of the Invisible Empire, United Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan of 
America, Inc., also known as the United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the 
Ku Klux Klan. 

Mr. Bing, I ask you at this time to produce the items as called for 
in paragraph 1. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any 
and all records as requested by this committee mider subpena dated 
October 11, 1965, for that information is not relevant and germane 
to the subject under investigation and the same would not aid the Con- 
gress in the consideration of any valid remedial legislation, nor is 
such inquiry within the scope of that authorized to be investigated 
by rule XI of the rules adopted by the 89th Congress, by House Reso- 
lution 8, adopted January 4, 1965. 

I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee any and all docu- 
ments demanded by the committee in its subpena dated October 11, 
1965, for the reason that I honestly feel that to do so miglit tend to 
incriminate me in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by 
amendments 5, 1, 4, and 14 of the Constitution of the United States 
of America. 

The Chairman. Mr. Chalmers, we have made this stipulation in 
connection with subpenas requiring the production of documents: (1) 
that the witness has been furnished a copy of the chairman's opening 
statement of October 19, 1965, and that he is familiar with its con- 
tents; (2) that the directions of the subpena to produce the documents 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 232] 

called for are made to the witness in the official representative capacity 
described in the subpena. 

Will that stipulation apply in this instance? 

Mr. Chalmers. Yes, sir. 

The Chairman. Accordingly, Mr. Bing, the committee does not 
accept your grounds for failing to produce these documents. I now 
order and direct you to produce those documents. 

Mr. Bing. I respectifully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, paragraph 2 of your subpena calls for: 

All books, records, documents, correspondence and memoranda in your posses- 
sion, custody or control, or maintained by or available to you in your capacity 
as Exalted Cyclops Clayton County Klavern #52, Realm of Georgia, of the 
United Klans of America, Inc., Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which the "Consti- 
tution and Laws" of said organization authorize and require to be maintained by 
you and any other officer of said organization, the same being in your possession, 
custody or control. 

I ask you now, sir, to produce the documents called for in para- 
graph 2. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
gromids previously stated. 

Mr. Chalmers. With respect to paragraph 2, our same stipulation 
applies, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Thank you. 

Therefore, Mr. Bing, I order and direct you to produce those 
documents. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to deliver to the committee the 
documents demanded and ordered by the committee based upon the 
grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel, Mr. Bing, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affirm or deny the fact, that you were fomerly a member and an officer 
of the U.S. Klans, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Inc. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question for the 
reason that I honestly feel my ansAver might tend to incriminate me 
in violation of my rights as guaranteed to me by amendments 5, 1, 4, 
and 14 of the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, would you explain to the committee exactly 
why you changed membership from the U.S. Klans to the United 
Klans of America ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, in July of 1965, at the State convention of 
the Realm of Georgia, ITnited Klans of America, did you run for the 
position of Grand Dragon of the State, challenging Calvin F. Craig? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affinn 
or deny the fact, that you did so challenge Calvin Craig in the election 
held in July 1965. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 



2322 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that on October 17, 1964, a demolition school was given to 
membei*s of the Ku Klux Klan in Clayton County Klavern No. 52 on 
property owned by you in Henry County, Georgia. 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Manuel. I further put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm 
of deny the fact, that on that occasion instructions were given to 
Klansmen in the disassembling and assembling of the .45 caliber auto- 
matic pistol, the Army carbine, M-1 rifle, as well as making Molotov 
cocktails and small bombs. 

Mr, BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that at a meeting of Clayton County Klavern No. 52, of which 
you are the exalted cyclops, or chief officer, on Januai-y 18, 1965, it was 
announced that judo and karate training would be held at the Clayton 
County Klavern 2 evenings each week. 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny 
the fact, that instructions for Klansmen in the art of making small 
bombs, Molotov cocktails, and military-type training are given with 
your knowledge and consent. 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Manuel, Mr. Bing, do you make it a habit to c<arry on your per- 
son pistols and other such weapons ? 

Mr. Bing, I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. Do you have a permit to carry a gun ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr, Manuel. Mr. Bing, have you ever served as an auxiliary police- 
man in Forest Park, Georgia? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, do you know of the existence of a group 
made up of members of Clayton County Klavern No. 52 using the 
name "White Band" ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Is the purpose of this group, the White Band to take 
action against, Negroes and others in Clayton County, Georgia? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the {grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Is the existence of the "^^Hiite Band known to all mem- 
bers of Clayton County Klavern No. 52 ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. If it is not known generally to all members, is the 
existence of the group one of the underground or intelligence com- 



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ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2323 

mittees we have heard about in these hearings, reserved to a few se- 
lected to do special violent actions, to take special violent actions? 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. JSLvNUEL. Mr, Bing, were you in attendance at the Imperial 
Klonvokation of the United Klans of America held the 5th and 6th 
of September 1964 at the Dinkler-Tutwiler Hotel in Birmingham, 
Alabama ? 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that you were in attendance at that Klonvokation. 

Mr. BixG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stcated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, were you at that time a candidate for any 
imperial office within the United Klans of America? 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, that you were a candidate 
for the office of Imperial Klokard and you were defeated for tliat office 
by Mr. Robert Collins. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based u])on 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that in addition to Mr. Robert Collins, who was elected 
to the position of Klokard, tlie followina: persons were elected : Robert 
Shelton to the position of Imperial Wizard; Reverend George Dor- 
sett to the position of Imperial Kludd ; Robert Hudgins to the position 
of Imperial Kladd ; Walter Brown to the position of Imperial Klaro- 
go; Robert Korman to the position of Imperial Klexter. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that W. O. Perkins is the Imperial Kligrapp, or secre- 
tary, of the United Klans of America and Frederick Smith is the 
Imperial Klabee, or treasurer, of the United Klans of America. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, as an exhalted cyclops of a Klavern in the 
State of Georgia, do you have knowledge that there is a bank account 
astablished for the Realm of Georgia under the name State Men's 
Club? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. To whom does your Klaveni pay its monthly dues or 
taxes within the Realm of Georgia ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, that dues are paid to Mr. Calvin F. Craig. 

The Chairman. By person or check ? 

Mr. Manuel. By check. 



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2324 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

The Chairman. By check nuide payable to liim personally? 

Mr. Manuel. Yes, sir 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the o:rounds previously stated. 

The Chairman. And the share going to the imperial headquarters 
in Tuscaloosa is paid by check payable to Robert M. Shelton per- 
sonally ? 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. As an exalted cyclops of a Klavern in Georgia, Mr. 
Bing, would you tell the committee what Mr. Craig does with the 
money that is sent to him as dues ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, as an exalted cyclops of a Klavern in Geor- 
gia for the United Klans of America, do you have knowledge of the 
existence of a bank account under the name Alabama Rescue Service, 
which account is the actual account for the Invisible Empire of the 
United Klans of America? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you have knowledge that checks signed by an in- 
dividual signing the signature T. M. Montgomery were actually signed 
by Carol Long ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Do you have knowledge that checks signed by Mr. 
Robert Shelton and an individual signing the name "James J. Hen- 
dricks" were actually signed by Mrs. Robert Shelton ? 

Mr, Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. As an exalted cyclops of a Klavern in Georgia, do you 
have any knowledge of what happens to your money that you send as 
imperial tax to Robert Shelton or to the Alabama Rescue Service? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. To your knowledge, do any members of your Klavern 
have knowledge of what happens to the money that they either send 
to Mr. Craig or Mr. Shelton ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, the committee investigation shows that at 
a meeting of the Clayton County Klavern No. 52 on January 18, 1965, 
it was announced that judo and karate training would be held at the 
Clayton County Klavern No. 52 on 2 evenings each week, 

I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
that announcement was made with your knoAvledge and consent. 

Mr, Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, could you tell the committee for what pur- 
pose Clayton County Klavern No. 52 trains some or all of its members 
in judo and karate ? 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2325 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the jrrounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. With further reference to the October 17, 1964, dem- 
olition instruction given on property owned by you in Henry County, 
would you tell the committee where explosive materials and dynamite 
were obtained by Klansmen ? 

Mr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, have you attended naturalization cere- 
monies of the United Klans of America, Realm of Georgia, in Klav- 
erns other than Clayton County No. 52 ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The committee investigation shows that you did par- 
ticipate in such naturalization or initiation ceremonies at the Fiery 
Cross Klavern No. 113 in July of 1964, at the Lithonia, Georgia, Klav- 
em on November 21, 1964, and at the College Park, Georgia, Klavern 
of the U.S. Klans in November 1964, November 19th. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, have you engaged in conversation with the 
Grand Dragon Calvin F. Craig concerning the training of Klansmen 
in the art of demolition, judo, karate, or military-type training? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to 
affinn or deny the fact, that Charles Bartlett and Daniel Bruce, both 
members of Clayton County No. 52 Klavern, of which you are the 
exalted cyclops, liave acted as instructors for Klansmen in the art of 
military training, explosive devices, judo, and karate. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, were you a member of a Ku Klux Klan 
organization in the year 1958 ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I would like to show you a photograph, sir, which 
the committee investigation has determined was taken in 1958 at a 
meeting of various Ku Klux Klan organizations at the Henry Grady 
Hotel in Atlanta, Georgia. 

This meeting was sponsored by, among othere, William Hugh Mor- 
ris and H. J. Jones in an effort to consolidate various Klan groups. 

I show you this photograph and ask you if you are pictured thereon. 
(Photograph handed to witness.) 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the oTounds previously stated. 

(Photograph marked "Robert Bing Exhibit No. 1" appeare on p. 
2326.) 

Mr. Manuel. I put it to you as a fact, sir, and ask you to affirm or 
deny the fact, thatyou were in attendance at that particular meeting. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. The committee investigation has shown that, among 
other things which were discussed, there was discussed at this meeting 



2326 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Robert Bing Exhibit No. 1 




Photo taken at Henry Grady Hotel, Atlanta, Ga., spring of 1958 at meeting of various 
Klan organizations. Klansman at far right identified as Robert Bing. 

by Klansmen the proposal to burn schools in the event that integration 
would come to the South. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully 

Mr. Manuel. I ask you to affirm or deny that result of the committee 
investigation. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, what was your position to that proposition ? 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Bing, I would like to show you another photo- 
grai)li taken at a Ignited Klans rally held June 5, 1965, in Atlanta, 
Georgia, on whicli picture is the image of a person identified as Ray- 
mond Anderson, the Grand Dragon of Tennessee for the United Klans 
of America, and yourself. 

I show you this photograph and ask you if those identifications nre 
correct. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 



2327 



(Photograph handed to witness.) 

iMr. BiNG. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Photograph marked "Robert Bing Exhibit No. 2" follows:) 



Robert Bing Exhibit No. 2 



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Photograph taken at United Klans rally held June 5, 1965, in Atlanta, Ga. No. 1 
identified as Robert Bing and No. 2 as Raymond Anderson, Grand Dragon of 
UKA, Tenn. 



Mr. Manuel. I show you two other photographs taken at the same 
rally, June 5th, in Atlanta, Georgia, June 5, 1965, and ask you if you 
are the person so pictured as a participant in that rally. 

(Photographs handed to witness.) 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

(Photographs marked "Robert. Bing Exhibit Nos. 8-A and 8-B,'* 
respectively, and retained in commitee files.) 



2328 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Mr. Manuel. Mr. Chairman, I liave no further questions of this 
witness. 

I am sorry. I do have one further item. 

Mr. Bing, witli further reference to the meeting which I have de- 
scribed, which took place in 1958 in the Henry Grady Hotel in Atlanta, 
I put it to you as a fact, and ask you to affirm or deny the fact, that 
as a result of the conversation regarding the burning of schools in the 
event integration would come, that some members, and some persons 
in attendance at this very meeting, dropped out of the Klan because 
of that. 

Mr. Bing. I respectfully decline to answer that question based upon 
the grounds previously stated. 

Mr. Manuel. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman. 

The Chairman. Does any member of the committee have any 
questions ? 

If not, the witness is excused and released from his sub^Dena. 

The committee will stand in recess until next Tuesday at 10 o'clock 
in the morning. 

Mr. Chalmers. Mr. Chairman, earlier this week Mr. Calvin Craig 
testified, and he was excused and his subpena continued until tomorrow. 
Would the chairman like him back on next Tuesday ? 

The Chairman. I am told by Mr. Appell that a telegram was sent 
to him postponing the date of his reappearance, so the answer is "No," 
he does not have to come tomorrow, but he is to be back Tuesday. 

The committee will be in recess until Tuesday next. 

(Subcommittee members present at time of recess: Representatives 
Willis, Pool, Weltner, and Buchanan.) 

(Whereupon, at 11 :58 a.m., Thursday, November 4, 1965, the sub- 
committee recessed, to reconvene at 10 a.m., Tuesday, November 9, 
1965.) 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN ORGANIZATIONS 

Part 2 



TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 1965 

United States House of Representatives, 

Subcommittee of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 

Washington^ D.C. 
public hearing 

The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities 
met, piireuant to recess, at 1:13 p.m. in the Caucus Room, Cannon 
House Office Building, Wasliington, D.C, Hon. Edwin E. Willis 
(chairman) presiding. 

(Subcommittee members: Representatives Edwin E. Willis, of 
Louisiana, chairman; Joe R. Pool, of Texas; Charles L. Weltner, of 
Georgia ; John M. Ashbrook, of Ohio ; and John H. Buchanan, Jr., of 
Alabama.) 

Subcommittee members present : Representatives Willis, Pool, and 
Weltner. 

Staff members present: Francis J. McNamara, director; William 
Hitz, general comisel ; Alfred M. Nittle, counsel ; Donald T. Appell, 
chief investigator ; and Philip R. Manuel, investigator. 

The Chairman. The subcommittee w^ill please come to order. 

The Chair wishes to make the following statement : 

The committee decided at the outset of this investigation that it 
would go into all the activities of the Klans and their members which 
were pertinent and germane to its inquiry, provided that, after con- 
sultation with the Department of Justice, it was determined that such 
inquiry would not prejudice the right of any individuals involved in 
pending criminal prosecutions. 

Pursuant to this policy, and with the concurrence of officials of the 
Department of Justice, the committee had planned to explore, begin- 
ning today, the activities of certain Klansmen in the Athens, Georgia, 
area, including those involved in the killing of Lt. Col. T^muel Penn, 
and other acts of violence. 

Over the weekend, however, the committee received a request from 
the Attorney General of the United States that we not proceed with 
the matters we had intended to explore this week. Under the cir- 
cumstances, the committee determined this morning to discharge until 
January 4, 1966, all witnesses summoned to appear before it this week. 

At this time, the subcoimnittee has held 12 days of hearings in which 
it has received 1400 pages of testimony from 52 witnesses. 

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2330 ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 

Before concluding this session of the subcommittee, I would like to 
summarize the major facts it has developed to date. 

First, we have demonstrated that the Klan movement is not a 
monolithic one, but that, on the contrary, there are about a dozen dif- 
ferent Klan organizations operating today. The hearings show that 
Klan strength is considerably greater than was generally estimated 
at the time our investigation began. It was then believed that total 
Klan membership was about 10,000. It is the committee's present 
estimate that the actual figure today is four to five times that number. 

We have shown that the largest of the Klan groups is the United 
Klans of America and that this organization, in its corporate tax re- 
turns, has not been fully reporting its income on the national or im- 
perial level, and that it has not jiaid taxes on such income as it has 
reported. It has not included in its reports to the Treasury Depart- 
ment its Realm and Klavern level income. This was specifically docu- 
mented in the cases of North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia. 

We have revealed that the Klans make extensive use of innocent- 
sounding cover or front names — such as civic, improvement, or rescue 
societies, and hunting, fishing, or sportsmen's clubs — to conceal the ex- 
istence of their Klaverns and bank accounts, and that this device has 
been sufficiently effective to deceive a Federal agency into innocently 
renting office space in a Klan-owned building; that on the national 
level, the leader of the United Klans of America has violated the or- 

§anization's constitution and bylaws — as well as the laws of the United 
tates of America, I might mention — by maintaining the imperial ac- 
count not in the name of the Imperial Wizard and the treasurer, or 
klabee, but mider his own and fictitious names — with himself, his wife, 
and his former secretary writing checks on the account, the better to 
hide his financial manipulations from the general membership. 

The hearings have disclosed that Grand Dragons of three of the 
major Realms of the UKA — North Carolina, South Carolina, and 
Georgia — have not deposited in their Realm accounts many checks re- 
ceived in payment of dues, but have cashed them without making any 
accounting of them; also that complete and accurate accountings of 
Realm funds have never been made to Klan members by their Realm 
officers. 

The record has revealed that insurance programs allegedlj- set up 
for the benefit of Klan members have been used for the personal gain 
of Klan officers. 

Our hearings has demonstrated that a considerable number of Klan 
officers and members have criminal records — and some of them exten- 
sive records — for carrying concealed weapons, burglary, inciting to 
riot, holding people at bay with a submachine-style gun while burn- 
ing a cross for teiToristic purposes, breaking out of prison, interfering 
with law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties, op- 
erating disorderly houses, and so on. More important, we have re- 
vealed that, despite claims to the contrary, Klan leaders make no real 
effort to prevent such persons from joining their organization or to 
expel them once they have joined. 

The record reveals that cross-burnings for intimidation purposes 
are official acts of Klans, that Klan membei-s carry pistols, rifles, 
carbines, sawed-oft' shotguns, tear gas dispensers, and other weapons. 



ACTIVITIES OF KU KLUX KLAN IN THE U.S. 2331 

not only to Klan meetings, but also when engaged in picketing, cross- 
burnings, and other activities. Our record also demonstrates that 
Klan units have conducted schools in which their members are taught, 
in some cases by men with criminal records, how to use rifles, pistols, 
and guns, the arts of judo and karate, and how to make booby traps, 
Molotov cocktails, and demolition devices from easily obtainable ma- 
terials such as farm fertilizers, gasoline, flashlight batteries, fruit jars, 
and electric light switches. 

Klan members and officers speak about burning schools which inte- 
grate and setting off intense fires in automobiles and department 
stores. 

We have revealed the existence of secret Klan organizations known 
by such names as The Vigilantes or Black Knights, The Underground, 
and The White Band, formed by Klan members for carrying out acts 
of violence and terrorism. One witness has sworn under oath that 
after he had quit the Klan and spoken out against it, he received a 
call from another Klan member who told him that he had been 
authorized to do away with him. 

The record shows that Klan members purchase weapons from other 
Klan members licensed as gun dealers; that Klan members use 
citizens band radios for communication purposes. 

We have also revealed, I am sorry to say, that while the vast ma- 
jority of law enforcement officers in Klan areas are sincere, dedicated 
upholders of the law, there is a small minority who are members of 
the Klan. 

The record reveals, I believe, that the Klan oath is a farce, a device 
to intimidate and trick rank-and-file Klan members into believing 
that it comes above all other oaths and can never, under any circum- 
stances, be violated, even if it means death. Despite the alleged 
sacredness and supremacy of this oath above all others, the highest 
leaders of the Klan were afraid to risk even a year in jail for con- 
tempt — much less die — to preserve and uphold it. In their appear- 
ances before the subcommittee, they have in every case resorted to 
the fifth amendment instead of the oath as a means of protecting 
themselves and preserving Klan secrets. 

Finally, I must point out, in fairness, that there are some basically 
good and decent American citizens who have apparently been deceived 
into joining the Klan by its patriotic and noble-sounding propaganda. 
These men do not subscribe to the violence and other reprehensible 
means used by other Klan members and leaders, nor do they tolerate 
the financial double-dealing that goes on in Klan officialdom. This 
was demonstrated in the testimony of Mr. Joseph DuBois, who had a 
wonderful record as a Marine in World War II, who turned over to 
the committee such Klan records as he had, and resigned from the 
Klan while on the witness stand, saying that, as far as he was con- 
cerned, God and country, rather than the Klan, always come first. 
It was also demonstrated in the testimony of Mr. Roy Woodle, the 
lay preacher, who became disgusted with the Klan when he learned 
of the manner in which its leaders were milking the membere of their 
hard-earned money. 

Already, there have been positive results flowing from this in- 
vestigation. The so-called Invisible Empire of 'the Ku Klux Klans 



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