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ADMINISTTUTION'S  HSCAL  YEAR  1994  BUDGET 
PROPOSALS  FOR  THE  BUREAU  OF  ALCOHOL, 
TOBACCO,  AND  HREARMS;  U.S.  TAX  COURT; 
AND  INTERNAL  REVENUE  SERVICE 

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HEARINGS 

BEFORE  THE 

SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  OVERSIGHT 

OF  THE 

COMMITTEE  ON  WAYS  AND  MEANS 
HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATIVES 

ONE  HUNDRED  THIRD  CONGRESS 

FIRST  SESSION 


APRIL  22  AND  28,   1993 


Serial  103-34 


Printed  for  the  use  of  the  Committee  on  Waya  and  Means 


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/  ADMINISTRATION'S  HSCAL  YEAR  1994  BUDGET 
PROPOSALS  FOR  THE  BUREAU  OF  ALCOHOL, 
TOBACCO,  AND  HREARMS;  U.S.  TAX  COURT; 
AND  INTERNAL  REVENUE  SERVICE 

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HEARINGS 

BEFORE  THE 

SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  OVERSIGHT 

OF  THE 

COMMITTEE  ON  WAYS  AND  MEANS 
HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATIVES 

ONE  HUNDRED  THIRD  CONGRESS 

FIRST  SESSION 


APRIL  22  AND  28,  1993 


Serial  103-34 


FVinted  for  the  use  of  the  Committee  on  Ways  and  Means 


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COMMITTEE  ON  WAYS  AND  MEANS 
DAN  ROSTENKOWSKI,  Illinois,  Chairman 


SAM  M.  GIBBONS,  Florida 
J.J.  PICKLE,  Texas 
CHARLES  B.  RANGEL,  New  York 
FORTNEY  PETE  STARK,  California 
ANDY  JACOBS,  Jr.,  Indiana 
HAROLD  E.  FORD,  Tennessee 
ROBERT  T.  MATSUI,  California 
BARBARA  B.  KENNELLY,  Connecticut 
WILLIAM  J.  COYNE,  Pennsylvania 
MICHAEL  A.  ANDREWS,  Texas 
SANDER  M.  LEVIN,  Michigan 
BENJAMIN  L.  CARDIN,  Maryland 
JIM  MCDERMOTT,  Washington 
GERALD  D.  KLECZKA,  Wisconsin 
JOHN  LEWIS,  Georgia 
L.F.  PAYNE,  Vii^nia 
RICHARD  E.  NEAL,  Massachusetts 
PETER  HOAGLAND,  Nebraska 
MICHAEL  R.  MCNULTY,  New  York 
MIKE  KOPETSKI,  Or^on 
WILLIAM  J.  JEFFERSON,  Louisiana 
BILL  K.  BREWSTER,  Oklahoma 
MEL  REYNOLDS,  Illinois 


BILL  ARCHER,  Texas 
PHILIP  M.  CRANE,  Illinois 
BILL  THOMAS,  California 
E.  CLAY  SHAW,  Jr.,  Florida 
DON  SUNDQUIST,  Tennessee 
NANCY  L.  JOHNSON,  Connecticut 
JIM  BUNNING,  Kentucky 
FRED  GRANDY,  Iowa 
AMO  HOUGHTON,  New  York 
WALLY  HERGER,  California 
JIM  McCRERY,  Louisiana 
MEL  HANCOCK,  Missouri 
RICK  SANTORUM,  Pennsylvania 
DAVE  CAMP,  Michigan 


Janice  Mays,  Chief  Counsel  and  Staff  Director 
Charles  M.  Brain,  Assistant  Staff  Director 
PHILUP  D.  MoseLEY,  Minority  Chief  of  Staff 


SUBCOMMnTEE  ON  OVERSIGHT 
J.J.  PICKLE,  Texas,  Chairman 


HAROLD  E.  FORD,  Tennessee 
CHARLES  B.  RANGEL,  New  York 
WILLIAM  J.  JEFFERSON,  Louisiana 
BILL  K.  BREWSTER,  Oklahoma 
GERALD  D.  KLECZKA,  Wisconsin 
JOHN  LEWIS,  Geoigia 


AMO  HOUGHTON,  New  York 
WALLY  HERGER,  California 
MEL  HANCOCK,  Missouri 
RICK  SANTORUM,  Pennsylvania 


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CONTENTS 


Press  release  of  Friday,  April  16,  1993,  announcing  the  hearings 

WITNESSES 


Page 
2 


U.S.  Tax  Court,  Hon.  Lapsley  W.  Hamblen,  Jr.,  Chief  Judge,  and  Charles 

S.  Casazza,  Clerk  of  the  Court  6 

U.S.  Department  of  the  Treasury: 

Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms,  Stephen  E.  Higgins,  Director, 
Daniel  Black,  Deputy  Director  and  Associate  Director,  Office  of  Compli- 
ance Operations;  and  David  C.  Troy,  Chief  of  Intelligence  Division, 

Office  of  Law  Enforcement  28 

Internal  Revenue  Service,  Michael  P.  Dolan,  Acting  Commissioner;  David 
G.  Blattner,  Chief  Operations  Officer;  Philip  G.  Brand,  Chief  Financial 
Officer;  Henry  H.  Philcox,  Chief  Information  Officer;  and  Lee  R.  Monks, 
Acting  Taxpayer  Ombudsman   115 

SUBMISSION  FOR  THE  RECORD 

U.S.  General  Accounting  Office,  Jennie  S.  Stathis,  Director,  Tax  Policy  and 
Administration  Issues,  General  Government  Division,  statement  and  at- 
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ADMINISTRATION'S  FISCAL  YEAR  1994  BUDG- 
ET PROPOSALS  FOR  THE  U.S.  TAX  COURT 
AND  THE  BUREAU  OF  ALCOHOL,  TOBACCO 
AND  FIREARMS 


THURSDAY,  APRIL  22,  1993 

House  of  Representatives, 
Committee  on  Ways  and  Means, 

Subcommittee  on  Oversight, 

Washington,  D.C. 
The  subcommittee  met,  pursuant  to  notice,  at  9:34  a.m.,  in  room 
B-318,  Raybum  House  Office  Building,  Hon.  J.J.  Pickle  (chairman 
of  the  subcommittee)  presiding. 

[The  press  release  announcing  the  hearings  follows:] 


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FOR  IMMEDIATE  RELEASE 
FRIDAY,  APRIL  16,  1993 


PRESS  RELEASE  #8 
SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  OVERSIGHT 
COMMITTEE  ON  WAYS  AND  MEANS 
U.S.  HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATIVES 
113  5  LONGWORTH  HOUSE  OFFICE  BLDG. 
WASHINGTON,  D.C.  20515 
TELEPHONE:   (202)  225-5522 


THE  HONORABLE  J.  J.  PICKLE  (D. ,  TEXAS),  CHAIRMAN, 

SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  OVERSIGHT,  COMMITTEE  ON  WAYS  AND  MEANS, 

U.S.  HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATIVES, 

ANNOUNCES  A  HEARING  TO  REVIEW 

THE  ADMINISTRATION'S  FISCAL  YEAR  1994  BUDGET  PROPOSALS 

FOR  THE  BUREAU  OF  ALCOHOL,  TOBACCO  AND  FIREARMS, 

U.S.  TAX  COURT,  AND  INTERNAL  REVENUE  SERVICE 


The  Honorable  J.  J.  Pickle  (D. ,  Texas),  Chairman  of  the 
Subconunittee  on  Oversight,  Committee  on  Ways  and  Means,  U.S.  House 
of  Representatives,  announced  today  that  the  Subcommittee  will  hold 
two  hearings  to  review  the  adequacy  of  the  Administration's  fiscal 
year  1994  budget  proposals  relating  to  the  allocation  of  resources 
and  the  staffing  levels  for  the  U.S.  Tax  Court,  Bureau  of  Alcohol, 
Tobacco  and  Firearms  (ATF) ,  and  Internal  Revenue  Service  (IRS) .   The 
Subcommittee  will  also  examine  various  budget-related  issues 
affecting  programs  under  the  jurisdiction  of  these  agencies. 

The  Administration  is  requesting  $35.3  million  and  352  positions 
for  the  U.S.  Tax  Court  in  fiscal  year  1994,  an  increase  of 
$2.9  million  and  no  additional  positions  from  1993  levels.   The 
budget  proposal  requests  $359  million,  user  fee  receipts  of  an 
additional  $5  million,  and  4,201  positions  for  ATF,  a  total 
appropriation  decrease  of  $7.1  million  and  60  positions.   The 
Administration  is  requesting  $7,396  billion  and  116,060  positions 
for  IRS,  an  increase  of  $280  million  and  792  positions  ^rom  fiscal 
year  1993  levels. 

The  hearing  to  review  the  budget  requests  for  the  U.S.  Tax  Court 
and  ATF  is  scheduled  for  Thursday,  April  22,  1993,  beginning  at 
9:30  a.m.,  in  room  B-318  Rayburn  House  Office  Building.   Witnesses 
invited  to  testify  include  the  Honorable  Lapsley  W.  Hamblen,  Jr., 
Chief  Judge  of  the  U.S.  Tax  Court,  and  Mr.  Stephen  E.  Higgins, 
Director  of  ATF. 

The  hearing  to  review  IRS's  budget  request  is  scheduled  for 
Wednesday,  April  28,  1993,  beginning  at  9:00  a.m.,  in  the  main 
Committee  hearing  room,  1100  Longworth  House  Office  Building. 
Witnesses  invited  to  testify  at  the  hearing  include 
Mr.  Michael  Dolan,  Acting  Commissioner  of  IRS,  and  representatives 
from  the  U.S.  General  Accounting  Office. 

In  announcing  the  hearing.  Chairman  Pickle  stated:   "Ten  years 
ago,  IRS  employed  82,857  people,  had  a  budget  of  $2.6  billion,  and 
collected  $632  billion  in  taxes  from  the  American  people.   Back 
then,  the  cost  of  collecting  $100  was  approximately  42  cents.   In 
1991,  IRS  employed  115,628  people  and  spent  $6.1  billion  to  collect 
slightly  more  than  $1  trillion.   The  cost  of  collecting  $100  jumped 
Lo  56  cents.   This  year,  IRS's  budgat  request  totals  $7,396  billion, 
an  increase  of  about  4  percent.   The  cost  of  collecting  $100  in  1994 
is  expected  to  exceed  60  cents. 

"With  the  implementation  of  tax  systems  modernization  and 
improvements  in  the  area  of  worker  productivity,  the  cost  of 
collecting  taxes  should  be  decreasing,  not  increasing.   I  am 
concerned  that  within  the  agency,  there  may  be  areas  of  waste  and 
inefficiency  that  is  prohibiting  IRS  from  operating  more 
effectively.   I  intend  to  ask  IRS  how  it  plans  to  improve  its 
performance. 

"Included  within  IRS's  budget  are  a  series  of  compliance 
initiatives  designed  to  improve  voluntary  compliance  and  strengthen 

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IRS's  examination  and  collection  efforts.  One  initiative  will  focus 
on  foreign  firms  operating  in  the  U.S.  that  are  avoiding  taxes 
through  transfer  pricing.  I  want  to  know  what  progress  IRS  has  made 
in  the  past  year  to  ensure  that  all  corporations  comply  with  our  tax 
laws  and  pay  their  fair  share  of  taxes.  I  also  want  to  know  to  what 
extent  transfer  pricing  cases  are  clogging-up  the  Tax  Court's 
docket. 

While  the  Administration  is  proposing  modest  budget  increases 
for  IRS  and  the  Tax  Court,  ATF  is  looking  at  a  funding  decrease. 
I  want  to  know  how  a  cut  in  funding  for  ATF  will  affect  its 
operations,  particularly  in  light  of  its  responsibility  for  over 
$14  billion  in  the  collection  of  alcohol  and  tobacco  excise  taxes." 

DETAILS  FOR  SOBMISSIOM  OF  WRITTEN  COMHENTS; 

Persons  submitting  written  comments  for  the  printed  record  of 
the  hearing  should  submit  six  (6)  copies  by  the  close  of  business, 
Tuesday,  May  18,  1993,  to  Janice  Mays,  Chief  Counsel  and  Staff 
Director,  Committee  on  Ways  and  Means,  U.S.  House  of  Representatives, 
1102  Longworth  House  Office  Building,  Washington,  D.C.   20515. 

FORMATTING  REQUIREMENTS; 

Each  statement  presented  for  printin(  to  the  Committee  by  a  witness,  any  written  statement  or  exhibit 
submitted  for  the  printed  record  or  any  written  comments  in  response  to  a  request  for  written  comments  must 
conform  to  the  (uidelines  listed  below      Any  statement  or  exhibit  not  in  compliance  with  these  |uidelines  will  not 
be  printed,  but  will  be  maintained  in  the  Committee  files  for  review  and  use  by  the  Committee 

1        All  statements  and  any  accompanyinj  eihibils  for  printing  must  b«  typed  in  sin|le  space  on  le{al-size 
paper  and  may  not  exceed  a  total  of  10  pates 

2.       Copies  of  whole  documents  submitted  as  exhibit  material  will  not  be  accepted  for  printing      Instead, 

exhibit  material  should  be  referenced  and  quoted  or  paraphrased      All  exhibit  material  not  irwetinf  tlwse 
ipecifications  will  be  maintained  in  the  Committee  files  for  review  and  use  by  tht  Committee 

3  Statements  must  contain  the  name  and  capacity  in  whKh  the  witness  will  appear  or,  for  written 
comments,  the  narT>e  and  capacity  of  the  person  submitting  the  statement,  as  well  as  any  clients  or 
persons,  or  any  orfanization  for  whom  the  witr>ess  appears  or  for  whom  the  staterT>ent  is  submitted. 

4  A  supplenwntal  sheet  must  accompany  each  sutemenl  lislin|  the  narrw,  full  address,  a  telephone 
number  where  the  witness  or  the  desi|n<ted  representative  may  be  reached  and  a  topical  outline  or 
summary  of  the  comments  and  recomrT>cndations  in  the  full  statement      This  supplemental  sheet  will 
not  be  included  in  the  printed  record 

The  above  restrictions  and  limitations  apply  only  to  material  being  submitted  for  printing      Statements  and 
exhibits  or  supplementary  material  submitted  solely  for  distribution  to  the  Members,  the  press  and  the  public 
during  tt>e  course  of  a  public  hearing  may  t>e  submitted  in  other  forms 


Chairman  PiCKLE.  The  committee  will  come  to  order. 

Judge  Hamblen,  you  may  take  your  seat  at  the  witness  table. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Today  the  subcommittee  will  discuss  the  fiscal 
year  1994  budget  proposals  and  related  program  operations  of  the 
U.S.  Tax  Court  and  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms, 
the  so-called  ATF. 

Today's  hearing  is  part  of  the  subcommittee's  annual  oversight 
review  of  agencies  under  the  committee's  jurisdiction.  The  sub- 
committee will  hold  its  hearing  on  IRS'  fiscal  year  1994  budget 
next  Wednesday. 

I  want  to  say  at  the  beginning  that  we  have  got  two  groups  to 
hear  from  this  morning,  the  U.S.  Tax  Court  and  the  Bureau  of  Al- 
cohol, Tobacco  and  Firearms.  By  agreement,  we  will  hear  and  visit 
with  the  U.S.  Tax  Court  and  Judge  Hamblen  first.  After  that,  then 
we  will  hear  from  the  Director  of  ATF,  Mr.  Higgins. 

I  want  to  say  to  the  members  that  they  will  be  limited  to  5  min- 
utes in  their  aiscussions,  and  if  time  permits,  we  will  go  back  for 
a  second  round.  But  we  may  be  on  limited  time. 

First  let  me  talk  about  the  U.S.  Tax  Court.  I  am  pleased  that 
Chief  Justice  Hamblen  will  be  appearing  and  is  appearing  before 
our  subcommittee  today.  This  will  be  his  first  appearance  before 
this  committee  since  his  appointment  as  the  Chief  Judge  of  that 
court,  and  his  appointment  was  in  June  of  1992. 

The  U.S.  Tax  Court  provides  taxpayers  with  a  forum  for  the  judi- 
cial resolution  of  tax  disputes  with  the  Internal  Revenue  Service. 
The  court  is  not  only  a  forum  for  high-powered  lawyers  to  argue 
on  behalf  of  wealthy  clients;  it  has  also  functioned  in  many  in- 
stances as  a  sort  of  people's  court  where  taxpayers  can  represent 
themselves  without  the  strictures  of  formal  rules  of  evidence  or 
procedure  and  where  taxpayers  can  go  to  court  without  first  paying 
the  taxes  in  dispute. 

Over  the  past  year,  the  court  has  continued  to  reduce  its  inven- 
tory of  cases  from  84,000  cases  at  the  end  of  fiscal  year  1986  to 
45,000  cases  at  the  end  of  fiscal  year  1992.  It  is  important  that  we 
again  review  the  activities  of  the  court  and  take  notice  of  its  suc- 
cesses, as  well  as  any  problems  that  arise. 

With  respect  to  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms,  I 
want  to  welcome  Director  Higgins,  who  will  be  here  shortly,  be- 
cause we  agreed  that  he  would  be  a  few  minutes  late. 

As  chairman,  I  and,  I  think,  members  of  this  committee  will  re- 
serve any  final  judgment  about  the  tragic  events  at  Waco,  Tex., 
until  more  information  is  made  available,  and  we  may  conduct  ad- 
ditional hearings  later  if  the  facts  so  develop. 

For  the  pubfic's  information,  I  am  inserting  in  the  subcommit- 
tee's hearing  record  and  making  available  to  the  press  and  the  pub- 
lic, copies  of  the  affidavits  filed  by  the  ATF  in  support  of  the  arrest 
and  search  warrants  in  Waco.  Copies  of  these  affidavits  are  made 
available  on  the  press  table  and  at  the  members'  table  in  the  event 
that  you  want  a  copy  of  that  affidavit  as  so  filed. 

I  want  to  also  clarify  that  today's  hearing  was  planned  a  month 
ago,  well  in  advance  of  this  past  week's  events. 

Of  course,  I  want  to  express  my  sorrow  to  Director  Higgins  and 
to  the  ATF  for  the  loss  of  life  that  occurred  when  that  tragic  raid 


took  place.  To  the  families  of  the  ATF  agents  who  were  killed  as 
well  as  the  family  members  of  the  Branch  Davidian  followers  and 
the  children  who  perished  in  that  compound,  I  do  express  my  deep- 
est sympathy.  This  was  a  tragic  and  a  sickening  event  that  should 
cause  all  of  us  to  reexamine  our  Nation's  purpose  and  meaning, 
and  our  futures  as  citizens  of  this  great  country. 

For  many  of  the  new  members  of  this  subcommittee,  today's 
hearing  will  be  the  first  opportunity  to  discuss  ATF  operations  with 
the  Director.  Under  the  administration's  proposal,  ATFs  budget  in 
1994  would  be  $364  million,  slightly  less  than  current  levels.  In 
1994,  ATF  will  collect  over  $14  bilHon  in  taxes.  I  beUeve  that  ATF 
must  maintain  a  strong  presence  in  the  various  industries  it  regu- 
lates to  ensure  that  this  tax  revenue  is  not  put  at  risk.  ATF  has 
substantial  duties  to  undertake  with  its  4,200  employees  and  $364 
million  budget.  I  hope  that  they  are  not  spread  too  thin. 

ATF  has  jurisdiction  over  enforcement  of  alcohol,  tobacco  and 
firearms  taxes  and  the  National  Firearms  Act,  which  are  matters 
under  the  jurisdiction  of  this  committee.  ATF  has  responsibility  for 
crime  control  laws,  alcohol  product  safety,  arson  investigation,  ex- 
plosives storage,  and  more  which  are  handled  by  other  committees. 

Because  of  recent  events  and  the  horrible  tragedy  that  occurred, 
serious  questions  must  be  answered  by  the  ATF,  by  the  FBI,  and 
by  local  and  State  authorities.  I  hope  we  could  explore  today's  ATF 
jurisdiction,  what  is  their  authority,  at  what  point  do  they  get  in- 
volved, and  who  makes  the  final  decision  on  when  to  make  a  raid, 
execute  orders,  or  enter  into  negotiations. 

In  my  opinion,  the  biggest  error  in  Waco  was  that  it  went  on  too 
long.  For  nearly  1  year,  we  have  known  that  the  group  was  violat- 
ing firearm  and  tax  laws.  And  yet,  from  the  affidavits  filed,  it  is 
clear  and  unmistakable  that  the  ATF  allowed  this  group  that  had 
come  together  to  continue  to  violate  our  laws. 

The  leader  of  that  compound  was  a  nut,  and  his  followers  agreed 
to  live  with  a  nut.  I  guess  that  is  permissible.  But  when  people 
come  together  in  a  manner  such  as  they  did,  they  must  obey  the 
law.  And,  if  enforcement  efforts  are  delayed  too  long,  it  is  inevi- 
table that  death  and  destruction  will  occur.  That  is  what  happened. 

It  is  obvious  to  me  from  the  affidavit  that  the  ATF  had  a  plant 
within  the  compound.  At  the  same  time,  it  appears  that  there  was 
a  plant  in  the  law  enforcement  ranks.  While  you  can  argue  about 
whether  this  is  true,  they  knew  what  you  were  doing,  and  you 
knew  what  they  were  doing.  And,  on  February  28,  they  were  fully 
armed  and  dressed  in  battle  fatigues  when  the  raid  occurred. 

Why  did  you  insist  on  going  forward  with  the  raid,  knowing  that 
you  were  outgunned  and  probably  would  be  possibly  mowed  down 
and  have  to  withdraw? 

Well,  I  want  to  ask  the  witnesses  this  morning  to  provide  this 
committee  with  their  honest  evaluations  of  their  agencies  and  the 
answers  to  some  of  these  questions.  We  will  proceed  forward  in  an 
orderly  procedure. 

But  I  first  want  to  recognize  Mr.  Houghton  for  any  opening  re- 
marks he  might  want  to  make  on  this  subject. 

Mr.  Houghton. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 


Well,  I  am  delighted  to  be  with  you  here.  This  is  the  first  time 
I  have  had  an  opportunity  to  review  the  operations  of  your  court, 
Judge  Hamblen,  I  am  delighted  to  be  here  with  you. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Thank  vou. 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  consider  this  man  one  of  the  great  chairmen, 
so  this  is  an  honor,  being  associated  with  him. 

The  U.S.  Tax  Court  and  the  BATF  are  probablv  the  best  kept  se- 
crets around  here.  You  do  your  work  in  private,  behind  the  scenes. 
You  try  to  stay  out  of  the  public  eye.  But  obviously  with  the  tragic 
events,  human  events,  that  took  place  in  Waco,  Texas,  that  is  no 
longer  possible. 

I  am  not  going  to  make  any  comments,  Mr.  Chairman,  about  the 
BATF  at  the  moment.  I  think  I  will  just  wait  for  Mr.  Higgins  to 
appear. 

I  would  like  to  mention  something  about  the  U.S.  Tax  Court, 
though.  It  seems  to  me  that  one  of  the  things  that  we  will  be  look- 
ing at  and  inquiring  about  is  your  mission.  What  is  your  mission? 
Is  it  the  same  as  it  was  last  year?  Are  you  geared  to  do  the  things 
which  you  think  are  important  in  the  future? 

As  I  see  it,  you  have  a  staffing  level  which  is  basically  un- 
changed. You  have  a  falling  workload,  and  yet  you  asked  for  in- 
creased funds.  So  the  question  is:  What  are  you  trying  to  do,  and 
what  are  the  things  you  see  coming  around  the  corner  that  will  af- 
fect your  operation? 

So,  Mr.  Chairman,  thank  you  very  much.  I  would  like  to  ask 
some  questions  later  on,  but  I  would  like  to  turn  it  back  to  you. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Judge  Hamblen,  I  think  the  best  way  to  pro- 
ceed now  is  for  you  to  make  your  statement,  and  we  may  ask  you 
questions  thereafter.  If  you  will  proceed,  sir,  we  welcome  you  to  the 
hearing. 

STATEMENT  OF  HON.  LAPSLEY  W.  HAMBLEN,  JR.,  CHIEF 
JUDGE,  U.S.  TAX  COURT,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  CHARLES  S. 
CASAZZA,  CLERK  OF  THE  COURT 

Judge  Hamblen.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman,  and  members  of  the 
subcommittee. 

My  name  is  Lapsley  W.  Hamblen,  Jr.,  and  I  am  the  Chief  Judge 
of  the  U.S.  Tax  Court.  With  me  today  is  Mr.  Charles  S.  Casazza, 
the  Clerk  of  the  Court. 

I  am  pleased  to  accept  your  invitation  to  testify  here  today  con- 
cerning the  Tax  Court's  caseload,  the  Tax  Court's  appropriation  re- 
quest for  the  fiscal  year  1994,  the  increase  in  the  dollar  amount  in 
dispute  at  the  court,  and  the  Section  482  cases. 

I  would  like  to  make  a  few  remarks,  if  that  is  your  pleasure  this 
morning,  and  then  try  to  answer  any  questions  which  you  might 
have.  Also  I  would  ask  that  my  written  statement  be  made  part  of 
the  record  of  the  hearing. 

Chairman  Pickle.  That  will  be  granted.  Judge. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Thank  you,  sir. 

Let  me  begin  with  a  brief  report  of  the  Tax  Court's  caseload.  In 
this  regard,  I  am  happy  to  report,  as  you  have  noted,  Mr.  Chair- 
man, that  for  the  sixth  straight  year,  the  court  has  experienced  a 
yearend  decrease  in  its  caseload.  I  am  also  happy  to  report  that 
this  trend  is  continuing  in  the  current  fiscal  year. 


As  you  know,  the  Tax  Court's  inventory  reached  a  historical 
monthend  high  in  October  of  1986,  when  there  were  84,007  cases 
pending  at  the  court.  As  of  the  end  of  last  month,  the  figure  was 
down  to  41,123,  and  this  represents  a  reduction  of  nearly  43,000 
cases,  or  over  50  percent  during  this  time. 

To  the  extent  that  the  short-term  future  can  be  predicted,  we  an- 
ticipate that  the  Tax  Court's  inventory  will  continue  to  decline,  but 
we  do  not  expect  that  any  future  decrease  will  be  as  large  either 
in  terms  of  numbers  or  percentages  as  that  of  the  past  6  years. 

I  would  like  to  turn  now  to  the  Tax  Court's  budget  request  for 
the  fiscal  year  1994.  The  court  has  submitted  an  appropriation  re- 
quest of  $35,350,000  and  350  permanent  positions.  This  request 
represents  a  $2,915,000  increase  over  the  appropriation  for  the  last 
fiscal  year,  but  no  increase  in  the  number  of  permanent  positions 
has  been  requested. 

We  are  satisfied  that  if  the  Congress  endorses  the  full  amount 
of  our  appropriation  request,  the  Tax  Court  will  have  the  resources 
necessary  to  fulfill  its  mission.  While  we  remain  fully  committed  to 
further  reductions  in  our  caseload,  our  paramount  goal  must  nec- 
essarily be  the  disposition  of  cases  in  a  fair,  just,  and  expeditious 
manner. 

At  this  point,  I  would  like  to  say  a  few  words  about  a  very  inter- 
esting phenomenon  which  the  Tax  Court  has  witnessed  over  the 
course  of  the  last  3  or  4  years,  and  this  phenomenon  involves  an 
inverse  relationship  between  the  inventory  of  our  cases  and  the  ag- 
gregate dollar  amount  of  deficiencies  in  dispute.  In  other  words,  as 
the  court's  inventory  has  steadily  fallen,  the  dollar  amount  in  con- 
troversy has  dramatically  increased. 

I  think  a  few  pertinent  statistics  will  aptly  illustrate  this  devel- 
opment. At  the  end  of  the  1986  fiscal  year,  as  the  Tax  Court's  case 
inventory  was  about  to  crest  at  the  84,000  mark,  the  dollar  defi- 
ciencies in  dispute  amounted  to  about  $16.3  billion.  Today,  how- 
ever, while  the  court's  inventory  hovers  at  around  41,000  cases,  de- 
ficiencies in  dispute  have  increased  to  about  $34.3  billion.  Now  this 
difference,  some  $18  billion,  represents  a  110  percent  increase,  and 
the  vast  majority  of  this  increase,  some  $16  billion,  has  come  since 
the  end  of  the  1989  fiscal  year. 

The  increase  in  the  aggregate  dollar  amount  in  dispute  is  attrib- 
utable to  an  increase  in  the  number  of  large  cases  ana  in  particular 
to  an  increase  in  the  number  of  what  we  call  jumbo  cases,  and 
these  are  cases  in  which  the  deficiencies  in  dispute  exceed  $10  mil- 
lion. 

Currently  the  Tax  Court's  inventory  includes  301  jumbo  cases. 
This  number  amounts  to  less  than  1  percent  of  the  court's  caseload, 
yet  these  301  iumbo  cases  account  for  over  85  percent  of  the  aggre- 
gate dollar  deficiencies  in  dispute  at  the  court. 

The  number  one  challenge  faced  by  the  Tax  Court  during  the 
1980s  was  managing  the  sheer  size  of  its  docket.  The  number  one 
challenge  of  the  1990s  very  well  may  prove  to  be  managing  the  ag- 
gregate dollar  amount  in  dispute. 

The  court  recognizes  that  it  must  carefully  balance  its  resources 
between  the  large  cases  and  the  smaller  ones.  Although  the  large 
cases  are  relatively  few  in  number,  they  demand  attention  because 
of  the  very  substantial  deficiencies  in  dispute. 


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In  contrast,  the  dollar  magnitude  of  the  smaller  cases  is  rel- 
atively modest.  But  these  cases  demand  attention  not  only  because 
of  their  very  number,  but  more  importantly  in  order  to  maintain 
the  confidence  of  the  taxpajdng  public  in  our  system  of  taxation 
and  our  judicial  system. 

Finally  I  would  like  to  say  a  few  words  about  the  Section  482 
cases.  More  often  than  not,  the  jumbo  cases  which  are  commenced 
in  the  Tax  Court  involve  Section  482  and  present  various  foreign 
income  and  transfer  pricing  issues.  Like  the  jumbo  cases  in  gen- 
eral, Section  482  absorb  significant  judicial  resources. 

The  Tax  Court  believes  that  the  solution  to  the  problems  pre- 
sented by  the  Section  482  cases,  as  well  as  by  the  jumbo  cases  in 
general,  lies  in  innovative  management  initiatives,  and  the  court 
has  already  instituted  significant  case  management  strategies  to 
effectively  control  the  scope  of  these  cases  and  the  judicial  time  in- 
volved in  deciding  them. 

For  example,  the  court  has  instituted  a  procedure  permitting  the 
assignment  of  a  judge  almost  immediately  after  a  large  case  is  at 
issue.  Another  initiative  involves  alternative  dispute  resolution, 
and  the  court  has  amended  its  rules  of  practice  and  procedure  to 
authorize  expressly  the  use  of  voluntary  binding  arbitration,  and 
we  are  actively  promoting  and  encouraging  arbitration  as  a  dispute 
resolution  technique. 

In  addition,  the  court  has  amended  its  rules  to  permit  the 
nonconsensual  deposition  of  expert  witnesses.  In  this  regard,  the 
court  believes  that  the  knowledge  and  understanding  of  the  opinion 
of  an  adversary's  expert  not  only  enhances  trial  preparation,  but 
facilitates  the  settlement  of  cases  as  well. 

Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the  subcommittee,  this  concludes 
my  remarks.  I  appreciate  the  opportunity  and  privilege  to  appear 
before  you  today,  and  I  will  be  pleased  to  endeavor  to  answer  any 
questions  which  you  might  have  at  this  time. 

[The  prepared  statement  and  attachment  follow:] 


STATEMENT  OF  LAPSLEY  W.  HAMBLEN.  JR.,  CHIEF  JUDGE. 
UNITED  STATES  TAX  COURT 

Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the  Subcommittee,  I  appreciate 
the  opportunity  to  appear  before  you  today  to  discuss  the  Tax 
Court's  caseload,  as  well  as  the  Tax  Court's  budget  request  for 
fiscal  year  1994.   As  requested  by  Chairman  Pickle,  I  will  also 
discuss  what  I  see  as  one  of  the  greatest  challenges  presently 
facing  the  Tax  Court,  as  well  as  the  Court's  experience  with 
section  482  cases. 

DURING  FY  1992,  THE  TAX  COURT'S  INVENTORY 

DECREASED  BY  3,998  CASES  AND  A  COMPARABLE 

REDUCTION  IS  EXPECTED  IN  FY  1993 

As  of  March  31,  1993,  the  Tax  Court's  inventory  consisted  of 
41,123  pending  cases.  This  number  included  32,685  regular  cases, 
8,374  small  tax  cases,  and  64  declaratory  judgment  cases. 

Insofar  as  the  age  of  the  cases  is  concerned,  the  Tax 
Court's  inventory  is  reasonably  current.   At  present,  nearly  53 
percent  of  the  Court's  pending  inventory  of  regular  (or  non-"S") 
cases  have  been  conunenced  since  January  1,  1991.   Insofar  as  the 
small  tax  cases  are  concerned,  more  than  94  percent  have  been 
commenced  since  January  1,  1991. 

The  closing  of  the  Tax  Court's  older  cases  is  generally 
dependent  on  action  by  some  other  court,  such  as  action  by  a 
local  probate  court  in  an  estate  tax  case,  action  by  a  Court  of 
Appeals  in  a  related  tax  shelter  case,  or  action  by  a  Bankruptcy 
Court.   Regarding  bankruptcy,  it  should  be  noted  that  the 
Bankruptcy  Code  specifically  provides  that  the  filing  of  a 
petition  in  bankruptcy  operates  as  a  stay  of  "the  commencement  or 
continuation  of  a  proceeding  before  the  United  States  Tax  Court 
concerning  the  debtor."   11  U.S.C.  sec.  362(a)(8). 

The  Tax  Court's  inventory  reached  an  historical  high  in 
October  1986  when  it  crested  at  84,007  cases.   Since  that  time 
the  Court's  inventory  has  consistently  decreased.   However,  the 
decrease  has  been  less  dramatic,  but  still  statistically 
significant,  during  the  last  two  fiscal  years,  falling  from 
51,708  cases  as  of  September  30,  1990,  to  48,374  cases  as  of 
September  30,  1991  (a  6.4  percent  decrease),  to  44,376  cases  as 
of  September  30,  1992  (an  8.3  percent  decrease).   As  stated 
above,  the  Court's  inventory  as  of  March  31,  1993,  consisted  of 
41,123  cases  (a  7.3  percent  mid-year  decrease). 

The  Tax  Court's  inventory  presently  includes  approximately 
12,000  tax  shelter  cases.   Most  of  these  dockets  will  be  closed 
as  soon  as  test  cases,  which  have  been  tried  and  decided  by  the 
Tax  Court  and  subsequently  appealed,  are  disposed  of  by  the 
various  United  States  Courts  of  Appeals.   Relatively  few  new  tax 
shelter  cases  are  currently  being  filed. 

THE  TAX  COURT'S  BUDGET  REQUEST  FOR  FY  1994  IS 
SUFFICIENT  FOR  THE  COURT  TO  FULFILL  ITS  MISSION 

Earlier  this  year,  the  Court  submitted  to  the  House  and 
Senate  Committees  on  Appropriations  a  fiscal  year  1994  budget 
request  for  $35,350,000  and  350  permanent  positions.   The  number 
of  permanent  positions  does  not  represent  any  increase  over  the 
number  for  the  last  two  years.   The  budget  request  of  $35,350,000 
represents  an  increase  of  $2,915,000  over  the  fiscal  year  1993 
appropriation  of  $32,435,000. 

Approximately  $1,500,000  of  the  $2,915,000  requested 
Increase  is  attributable  to  personnel  salary  and  related 
benefits.   Another  $1,200,000  of  such  increase  is  intended  for 
the  replacement  of  personal  computers  used  primarily  by  the 
judges  and  their  staff,  as  part  of  an  overall  plan  to  install  a 
networking  system  within  each  chamber. 


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The  fiscal  year  1994  budget  request  reflects  our  best 
judgment  as  to  the  funds  and  personnel  resources  needed  to  manage 
the  Tax  Court ' s  caseload  and  to  continue  the  progress  the  Court 
has  made  in  reducing  its  inventory. 

The  Court  has  provided  the  House  and  Senate  Appropriations 
Subcommittees  having  jurisdiction  over  the  Tax  Court's  budget 
with  information  on  the  Court's  operations  and  our  proposed 
expenditures  for  the  1994  fiscal  year.   Last  month  I  had  the 
opportunity  of  testifying  before  Congressman  Steny  Hoyer's 
Subcommittee  (Treasury,  Postal  Service,  and  General  Government). 
We  hope  that  the  Congress  will  endorse  the  full  amount  of  our 
appropriation  request.   In  our  judgment,  the  Court's  fiscal  year 
1994  budget  request  of  $35,350,000  Is  sufficient  to  operate  the 
Court  efficiently  and  effectively. 


ONE  OF  THE  PRINCIPAL  CHALLENGES  PRESENTLY  FACING 

THE  TAX  COURT  IS  TO  EFFECTIVELY  MANAGE  THE  AGGREGATE 

DOLLAR  AMOUNT  IN  CONTROVERSY,  WHICH  HAS  INCREASED 

DRAMATICALLY  IN  RECENT  YEARS 

As  indicated  above,  the  Tax  Court's  inventory  of  cases  has 
steadily  decreased  in  recent  years.   However,  as  the  number  of 
dockets  has  fallen,  the  dollar  amount  in  controversy  has 
dramatically  increased,  particularly  over  the  course  of  the  last 
three  and  one-half  years.   This  inverse  relationship  between 
inventory  and  deficiencies  in  dispute  presents  one  of  the 
greatest  Challenges  to  the  Court.   The  Court  is  responding  to 
this  challenge  with  a  variety  of  management  initiatives. 

By  way  of  statistical  background,  it  should  be  noted  that, 
total  deficiencies  In  dispute  as  of  March  31,  1993,  amounted  to 
about  $34.3  billion.   By  comparison,  total  deficiencies  in 
dispute  at  the  end  of  the  1986  fiscal  year  (shortly  before  the 
Tax  Court's  inventory  reached  its  historical  high)  amounted  to 
about  $16.3  billion.   The  difference,  some  $18  billion, 
represents  a  110  percent  increase . 

Most  of  the  $18  billion  increase  in  the  aggregate  eunount  in 
dispute  has  come  during  the  last  three  emd  one-half  years.   Thus, 
at  the  end  of  the  Tax  Court's  1989  fiscal  year  (September  30, 
1989),  total  deficiencies  in  dispute  amounted  to  about  $18.3 
billion.   The  increase  since  that  time,  $16  billion,  represents 
an  87  percent  rise. 

The  dramatic  increase  in  the  aggregate  dollar  amount  in 
dispute  is  attributable  to  an  increase  in  the  number  of  large 
cases.   There  are  presently  1,365  million-dollar  cases  pending 
before  the  Tax  Court.   Of  this  number,  256  involve  deficiencies 
in  dispute  in  excess  of  $10  million,  24  involve  deficiencies  in 
dispute  in  excess  of  $100  million,  14  involve  deficiencies  in 
dispute  in  excess  of  $250  million,  and  4  involve  deficiencies  in 
dispute  in  excess  of  $500  million.   There  are  also  3  billion- 
dollar  cases  presently  pending  before  the  Tax  Court.   The  single 
biggest  case  involves  over  $6.5  billion. 

The  advent  of  the  jumbo  cases,  and  in  particular  the  super- 
jumbo  cases,  is  a  recent  phenomenon.   Most  of  these  cases  have 
only  been  pending  for  a  relatively  short  period  of  time.   Thus, 
for  example,  the  three  billion  dollar  cases  have  all  been 
commenced  since  1989;  the  four  half -billion  dollar  cases  have  all 
been  commenced  since  1990,  and  all  but  one  of  the  14  quarter- 
billion  dollar  cases  have  all  been  commenced  since  1989. 

The  flow  of  large  cases  into  the  Tax  Court  is  likely  to 
continue,  if  not  increase,  for  at  least  two  reasons.   First,  many 
tax  professionals  believe  that  international  tax  compllemce  will 
be  the  tax  Issue  of  the  1990 's.   This  belief  is  supported  by  the 


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fact  that  already,  more  often  than  not,  the  jumbo  cases  in  the 
Tax  Court  involve  section  482  and  present  a  variety  of  foreign 
source  income  and  transfer-pricing  issues.   During  the  recent 
presidential  election.  President  Clinton  suggested  that  tougher 
tax  enforcement  would  yield  an  additional  $40  to  $50  billion  over 
the  next  four  years  from  foreign  corporations  doing  business  in 
the  United  States.   It  can  be  expected,  therefore,  that  the 
Internal  Revenue  Service  will  maintain,  if  not  increase,  its 
audit  activity  in  the  international  arena.   In  any  event,  the  Tax 
Court  understands  that  there  are  billions  of  dollars  in  potential 
tax  adjustments  currently  pending  in  the  IRS  audit  and 
administrative  appeals  pipeline.   Although  most  tax  controversies 
are  settled  without  litigation,  many  will  inevitably  find  their 
way  into  the  Tax  Court. 

The  second  reason  that  the  flow  of  large  cases  into  the  Tax 
Court  is  likely  to  continue,  if  not  increase,  has  to  do  with  the 
coordinated  examination  program  ("CEP")  of  the  Internal  Revenue 
Service.   Cases  having  their  origins  in  this  prograun  involve 
deficiencies  ranging  upwards  to  $100,000,000  or  more  and  involve 
domestic,  as  well  as  foreign,  issues.   In  recent  years  the 
Internal  Revenue  Service  has  been  emphasizing  coordinated 
examinations  and  devoting  increased  resources  to  CEP  cases. 

Large  cases  generally  present  a  multitude  of  both  procedural 
and  substantive  issues.   More  often  than  not,  these  issues  are 
factually  and  legally  complex.   Trials  frequently  consume  four  or 
more  weeks,  transcripts  run  for  1,000's  of  pages,  and  exhibits 
number  in  the  100' s.   The  resolution  of  arcane  factual  issues 
typically  requires  the  involvement  of  experts  in  fields  such  as 
economics,  finance,  banking,  and  valuation.   Opinions  resolving 
the  issues  in  large  cases  can  run  several  hundred  pages  and  take 
months  to  prepare. 

Large  cases  obviously  require  a  major  investment  of  judicial 
resources,  both  at  trial  and  during  the  post-trial  period  when 
briefs  are  read,  the  record  is  analyzed,  and  opinions  are 
written.   However,  large  cases  also  require  a  major  investment  of 
judicial  resources  during  the  pre-trial  period.   This  is  because 
large  cases  become  unwieldy  without  effective  case  management. 

The  key  to  effective  case  management  is  the  active 
involvement  by  a  judge  in  the  case.   The  Tax  Court's  experience 
demonstrates  that  the  earlier  a  judge  becomes  involved  in  a  case, 
the  greater  the  benefits  become.   Of  course,  early  and  active 
involvement  by  a  judge  means  that  more  time  and  greater  resources 
must  be  devoted  to  a  case  during  its  pre-trial  stage. 

In  October  1991,  the  Tax  Court  announced  a  procedure  which 
permitted  the  assignment  of  a  judge  almost  immediately  after  a 
large  case  is  at  issue.   This  procedure  differs  considerably 
from  the  traditional  and  routine  practice  of  the  Court,  by  which 
judicial  officers  become  involved  in  cases  only  after  the  cases 
are  calendared  for  trial.   The  involvement  of  a  judge  at  the 
outset  of  a  large  case  makes  it  possible  to  streamline  the 
eventual  trial  by  narrowing  the  issues,  limiting  discovery,  and 
stipulating  facts  by  informal  agreement  between  the  parties. 

Notwithstanding  the  time-intensive  nature  of  the  large 
cases,  the  Tax  Court  must  also  be  attentive  to  the  balance  of  its 
docket.   After  all,  the  sub-million  dollar  cases  account  for 
nearly  97  percent  of  the  Tax  Court's  docket,  and  the  Court's 
mandate  has  always  been  to  provide  for  the  just,  speedy,  and 
inexpensive  determination  of  every  case  that  comes  before  it. 

In  particular,  the  Tax  Court  wamts  to  remain  "user  friendly" 
to  the  small  taxpayer  who  represents  himself  or  herself  and  whose 
claim  or  contention  is  as  important  to  such  person  as  that  of  the 
largest  corporation  with  a  multi-million  dollar  deficiency.   In 


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this  regard  it  should  be  noted  that  taxpayers  represent 
themselves  in  over  90  percent  of  the  small  tax  cases.   Insofar  as 
the  regular  (or  non-"S")  cases  are  concerned,  taxpayers  represent 
themselves  in  almost  40  percent  of  such  cases.   If  all  cases  are 
considered  in  the  aggregate,  taxpayers  represent  themselves  in 
nearly  50  percent  of  such  cases. 

In  order  to  keep  its  docket  current  and  minimize 
inconvenience  to  taxpayers,  the  Tax  Court  conducts  regularly- 
scheduled  trial  sessions  in  78  cities  throughout  the  United 
States.   Every  effort  is  made  to  calendar  cases  for  trial  within 
a  year  after  the  petition  is  filed.   In  small  tax  cases  the  norm 
is  about  six  months.   In  cities  such  as  New  York,  Los  Angeles, 
and  San  Francisco,  where  the  Tax  Court's  inventory  is  the 
greatest,  six  2-week  trial  sessions  are  generally  scheduled  each 
year.   In  addition,  special  trial  sessions  are  scheduled  not  only 
during  the  fall,  winter,  and  spring  terms  of  court,  but  also 
during  the  summer  months . 

As  the  foregoing  indicates,  one  of  the  greatest  challenges 
facing  the  Tax  Court  today  is  the  balancing  of  its  resources 
between  the  large  cases  and  the  smaller  cases.   Although  the 
large  cases  are  relatively  few  in  number,  they  demand  attention 
because  of  the  substantial  deficiencies  at  issue.   In  contrast, 
the  dollar  magnitude  of  the  smaller  cases  is  relatively  modest. 
Nevertheless,  these  cases  demand  attention  because  of  their  very 
number.   More  importantly,  the  smaller  cases  demand  attention  in 
order  to  maintain  the  confidence  of  the  taxpaying  public  in  the 
judicial  system  in  general  and  in  the  tax  administration  system 
in  particular. 

For  the  Subcommittee's  information,  an  appendix  is  attached 
to  this  report  analyzing  the  Tax  Court's  current  inventory  by 
dollar  amount  in  dispute. 

CASES  INVOLVING  TRANSFER-PRICING  AND  OTHER 

SECTION  482  ISSUES,  WHILE  RELATIVELY  FEW  IN  NUMBER, 

CONTINUE  TO  ABSORB  A  SUBSTANTIAL  AMOUNT  OF  JUDICIAL 

RESOURCES,  BUT  HAVE  NOT  PROVEN  TO  BE  PROBLEMATIC 

FOR  THE  TAX  COURT  IN  TERMS  OF  THE  NUMBER  OF  FILINGS 

More  often  than  not,  the  jumbo  cases  which  are  commenced  in 
the  Tax  Court  involve  section  482  and  present  a  variety  of 
foreign  source  income  and  transfer-pricing  issues.  Fortunately, 
this  trend  has  not  proven  to  be  a  problem  in  terms  of  the  number 
of  cases  filed,  as  contrasted  with  the  previous  situation  in  the 
tax  shelter  area. 

The  Tax  Court  has  adopted  a  variety  of  case  management 
strategies  to  deal  effectively  with  the  scope  of  section  482  and 
other  large  cases  and  the  judicial  time  involved  in  deciding 
them.   I  have  already  discussed  some  of  those  strategies,  such  as 
the  Court's  procedure  for  the  assignment  of  judicial  officers 
almost  immediately  after  large  cases  are  at  issue. 

Another  recent  Court  initiative  involves  alternative  dispute 
resolution.   In  1990,  the  Court  amended  its  Rules  of  Practice  and 
Procedure  to  adopt  a  new  rule,  Rule  124,  which  expressly 
authorizes  the  use  of  voluntary  binding  arbitration  as  a  dispute- 
resolution  technique.   In  October  1991,  former  President  Bush 
issued  Executive  Order  12778  regarding  government  civil 
litigation.   The  executive  order  generally  directed  government 
litigation  counsel  not  to  seek,  nor  agree  to  use,  binding 
arbitration,  except  as  to  "practice  under  Tax  Court  Rule  124". 
Accordingly,  we  have  continued  to  actively  promote  and  encourage 
the  use  of  voluntary  binding  arbitration. 


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Section  482  cases  typically  present  fact-intensi\e  issues. 
Voluntary  binding  arbitration  under  Tax  Court  Rule  124  lends 
Itself  to  the  resolution  of  such  issues.   In  March  1992,  the 
first  agreement  to  enter  into  binding  arbitration  to  resolve  a 
section  482  case  pending  in  the  Tax  Court  was  accomplished  when 
Apple  Computer,  Inc.  and  the  Commissioner  announced  that  they 
would  submit  Apple's  $340  million  case  to  baseball-type 
arbitration  under  Rule  124.   The  parties  filed  a  comprehensive 
agreement  setting  out  the  ground  rules  for  the  arbitration. 
Under  the  parties'  agreement,  arbitration  will  be  conducted 
before  a  three-member  panel  consisting  of  a  retired  Federal 
judge,  an  economist,  and  an  industry  expert.   Using  the  baseball 
approach,  each  party  will  submit  a  dollar  figure  and  data  to 
support  that  figure  to  the  panel.   The  panel  will  ultimately  pick 
one  of  the  two  figures  presented  to  it  and  is  not  permitted  to 
substitute  a  different  or  compromise  figure.   If  the  arbitration 
proves  successful,  we  expect  that  litigants  in  other  large 
section  482  cases  will  submit  their  cases  to  arbitration  under 
Rule  124. 

Yet  another  recent  Court  initiative  involves  the  deposition 
of  expert  witnesses.   In  1990,  the  Court  eunended  its  Rules  of 
Practice  and  Procedure  to  authorize  the  nonconsensual  deposition 
of  expert  witnesses.   Previously,  in  Estate  of  Van  Loben  Sels  v. 
Commissioner.  82  T.C.  64  (1984),  the  Court  had  ruled  that  such 
depositions  were  not  within  the  scope  of  the  Court's  limited 
discovery  rules  as  then  written.   New  Rule  76  now  overcomes  the 
former  prohibition. 

The  adoption  of  Rule  76  is  attributable  in  large  part  to  the 
advent  of  the  jumbo  case.   The  Court  began  to  be  frustrated  by 
the  inability  of  litigants  to  settle  disputes  where  experts 
played  a  major  role.   Rule  76  is  bottomed  on  the  premise  that 
knowledge  and  understanding  of  the  opinion  of  an  adversary's 
expert  enhances  trial  preparation,  minimizes  surprise,  clarifies 
expert  testimony,  and  uncovers  the  improper  use  of  expert 
testimony. 

One  final  initiative  which  deserves  mention  involves  the 
Increased  attention  which  the  Court  is  directing  to  the  use  of 
experts.   Thus,  in  1990  the  Court  amended  its  Rules  of  Practice 
and  Procedure  to  require,  generally,  that  the  parties  exchange 
expert  reports  30  days  before  trial.   In  large,  complex  cases, 
however,  30  days  does  not  provide  much  opportunity  to  study  and 
analyze  an  expert  report.   Accordingly,  the  Court  may  require  the 
parties  to  exchange  expert  reports  more  than  30  days  before 
trial.   Particularly  in  section  482  cases,  some  of  the  judges 
have  required  that  the  expert  reports  be  exchanged  much  earlier. 
Judges  have  also  directed  that  the  experts  prepare  rebuttal 
reports  and  that  the  rebuttal  reports  also  be  exchanged  more  than 
30  days  before  trial. 


CONCLUSION 

Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the  Subcommittee,  I  appreciate 
the  opportunity  you  have  given  me  to  discuss  the  Court's 
inventory  and  the  outlook  for  our  fiscal  year  1994  budget,  as 
well  as  other  matters  of  mutual  interest.   We  believe  that  if  the 
Congress  approves  the  Court's  fiscal  year  1994  budget  request, 
the  Tax  Court  will  have  sufficient  resources  with  which  to 
satisfactorily  fulfill  its  single  mission:   the  judicial 
resolution  of  Federal  tax  cases. 

On  behalf  of  the  Tax  Court,  I  would  like  to  thank  the 
Subcommittee  for  its  interest  in  the  work  of  the  Court. 


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APPENDIX 

United  States  Tax  Cotirt 

Inventory  by  Dollar  Amount  In  Dispute 
(as  of  March  31,  1993) 

Aggregate 
Dollar  Amount     Number  of        Percent  of         Dollar  Total  Percent  of 

— in  Issue Dockets        Total  Dockets       (in  Billlonst  ■        Dollar  Total 

$1  - 
1,000,000         39,758  96.68  $2.1  6.1 


$1,000,000  - 

10,000,000  1,064  2.59  $3.1  9.0 

$10,000,000  - 

100,000,000  256  0.62  $7.2  21.0 

$100,000,000  - 
250,000,000  24  0.059  $3.9  11.4 

$250,000,000  - 
500,000,000  14  0.034  $4.8  14.0 

$  500,000,000  - 

1,000,000.000  4  0.010  $3.1  9.0 


$1,000,000,000  -     3  0.007  310  1  29  5 

^1.123  100.000  $3473  lOOTo 


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Chairman  PiCKLE.  We  thank  you,  Judge,  very  much  for  your 
statement.  We  do  want  to  proceed  now  with  the  questions,  and  we 
will  proceed  to  follow  that  procedure. 

Now,  Judge,  in  fiscal  year  1992,  for  the  first  time  perhaps  in  sev- 
eral years,  there  had  been  an  increase  in  the  number  of  cases  filed 
with  the  court,  and  you  have  just  estimated  that  there  would  be 
an  increase  in  cases  filed  in  fiscal  year  1993. 

Do  you  have  any  idea  again  of  what  is  causing  the  increase  in 
the  cases? 

Judge  Hamblen,  Well,  perhaps  hard  economic  times,  Mr.  Chair- 
man. That  could  be  one  thing. 

The  other  thing  could  be  the  fact  that  the  laws  are  more  complex 
and  get  more  complex,  it  seems,  every  year. 

There  is  no  way  we  can  really  put  our  finger  on  that. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  are  the  cases  so  technical  that  you  can 
just  expect  more  to  be  filed  and  take  longer  for  a  decision?  If  so, 
then  your  backlog  is  going  to  grow  bigger  and  bigger. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Are  the  cases  involved  ones  that  pertain  to 
amortizations  of  intangibles?  Is  that  a  serious  problem? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  sir,  I  think  it  may  well  be,  since  the  Su- 
preme Court  yesterday  handed  down  its  decision  in  the  Newark 
Morning  Ledger  case. 

Now  as  we  understand  it,  your  committee,  Mr.  Chairman,  is  pro- 
posing a  new  law  which  would  allow  amortization  of  intangibles, 
which  could  provide  a  very  good  relief  measure  there. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  are  there  any  particular  issues  that  are 
being  litigated  more  frequently  than  others? 

Judge  Hambi-EN.  Well,  we  are  beginning  to  see  in  the  estate  tax 
area  something  that  is  really  a  carryover  I  think,  of  many  years, 
and  that  is  the  valuation  of  closely  held  businesses,  some  of  the 
technical  provisions  involved  in  the  election  to  get  relief  under  the 
valuation  of  real  estate  and  closely  held  businesses. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Then  you  are  saying  that  the  valuation  ques- 
tion is  a  serious  one  for  the  court? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  I  think  it  always  has  been,  and  hopefully 
our  remedial  provisions  for  arbitration,  if  they  are  employed,  if  the 
taxpayers  and  the  Government  will  employ  i,hem 

Chairman  Pickij^:.  Now  I  want  to  ask  you  some  questions  about 
482.  You  commented  on  it,  but  let  me  go  after  it  a  little  bit  further. 

Last  year  Judge  Nims  testified  before  us  that  there  are  approxi- 
mately 101  cases  docketed  in  the  Tax  Court  involving  Section  482, 
the  transfer  pricing  issue. 

Now  this  committee,  as  you  know,  has  been  very  interested  in 
these  transfer  pricing  questions. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes. 

Chairman  PiCKi^.  Can  you  describe  for  us  the  experience  you 
have  had  with  482  cases  for  both  inbound  and  outbound  taxpayers? 
How  many  of  these  cases  are  before  the  court  now?  Can  you  tell 
me? 

Judge  Hamblen.  I  would  have  to — I  think  Mr.  Armen — do  you 
have 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Can  you  give  me  a  general  estimate? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Excuse  me  just  a  minute. 


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Mr.  Casazza.  There  are  a  total  of  about  90  section  482  cases,  Mr. 
Chairman. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Ninety  of  them. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Ninety.  Well,  do  they  threaten  to  drain  your 
resources  of  the  court,  much  like  tax  shelter  cases  did? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir.  Let  me  give  you  a  good  example. 

I  was  the  judge  in  the  Sundstrand  case,  for  which  we  have  just 
received  the  decision  document,  and  that  case  is  now  through  and 
perhaps  this  will  help  the  deficit  a  little  bit  with  the  taxes  that  are 
going  to  be  collected  there. 

But  in  any  event,  it  took  over  a  year  to  get  that  case  ready  for 
trial,  and  this  was  just  for  2  years,  1979  and  1980,  if  I  recall  cor- 
rectly. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well 

Judge  Hamblen.  It  took  3  weeks  to  try  it  and  over  a  year  to  get 
to  an  opinion.  These  are  very  factual,  technical,  and  legally  com- 
plex cases,  Mr.  Chairman,  and  they  do  absorb  a  great  amount  of 
judicial  resources. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  my  blunt  question  would  be  to  you:  Is 
the  IRS  outgunned  and  outmatched  in  these  complex  cases? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Let  me  say  this.  I  think  in  the  Sundstrand 
case,  the  Grovernment  really  was  not  ready  to  try  that  case.  That 
is  just  my  personal  impression  as  a  judge  of  the  case. 

What  I  saw  in  cases  like  the  Procter  &  Gamble  case,  I  thought 
the  Government  was  very  well  prepared,  did  a  very  good  job.  I 
think  the  Government  did  a  good  iob  as  much  as  it  could  in  the 
Sundstrand  case,  but  they  did  not  nave  that  good  a  case.  But 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  But  what? 

Judge  Hamblen.  As  a  general  rule,  I  think  the  Government  law- 
yers do  a  pretty  good  job,  and  some  of  them  do  an  excellent  job. 
It  is  like  anything  else,  Mr.  Chairman.  You  have  some  that  are  bet- 
ter than  others. 

Chairman  Pickle.  The  various  agencies  involved,  the  IRS  £ind 
perhaps  some  from  the  court,  have  indicated  to  us  and  testified 
that  they  have  been  outgimned  in  both  witness  and  the  volume  of 
expert  testimony  given  before  the  court,  and  it  is  involved  in  for- 
eign languages  quite  often,  and  it  just  goes  on  and  on. 

And  I  am  trying  to  ascertain,  is  this  draining  the  resources  of 
your  court?  Is  this  slowing  down  your  procedure?  Do  you  need  more 
expert  witnesses  and  more  personnel? 

Judge  Hamblen.  No,  we  do  not  need  any  more  personnel.  There 
are — it  would  be  nice  sometimes  if  we  could  hire  our  own  expert, 
perhaps  to  counter  what  the  parties  bring  forth. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Let  me  ask  you  one  last  question.  Last  year 
Judge  Nims  testified  that  your  court  had  before  it  four  cases  in- 
volving about  $8  billion  in  taxes  with  the  transfer  pricing  issue  re- 
lated to  the  Saudi  Arabian  oil.  In  three  of  these  cases,  he  stated 
that  trials  have  been  held  and  the  court  was  awaiting  briefs.  Has 
the  court  made  any  decision  in  these  three  cases? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Those  cases  are  before  Judge  Whitaker.  It  is 
my  understanding  that  he  is  working  on  them  and  that  the  opinion 
is  in  the  process  of  being  drafted.  That  is  the  Aramco  issue,  I  be- 
lieve, that  you  are  referring  to,  which  involves  Texaco  and  Exxon 
as  petitioners. 


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Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  this  case  has  been  going  on  for  some  pe- 
riod of  time.  How  long? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Oh,  I  would  say  3  years  at  least. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  And  no  decision  on  it  yet? 

Judge  Hamblen.  No,  sir.  And  what  you  must  understand,  and  I 
would  like  for  you  to  understand,  Mr.  Chairman,  is  that  in  a  trans- 
fer pricing  case,  you  have  expert  reports.  Sometimes  you  will 
have— each  side  will  have  three  or  four  experts. 

In  the  Sundstrand  case,  we  had  over  2,500  exhibits  and  around 
2,500  pages  of  testimony  after  a  3-week  trial.  And  the  briefing  pe- 
riod takes  longer  because  the  factual  and  legal  issues  are  so  much 
more  complex.  And  I  think  that  is  one  reason  it  takes  so  long  to 
get  to  an  opinion.  You  hear  the  case,  and  then  you  must  go  back 
and  go  through  that  record  after  the  briefing  is  done  and  try  to 
make  findings-of-fact  and  come  up  with  conclusions-of-law  and  an 
opinion.  It  is  a  very  laborious,  intensive  procedure. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Judge,  I  want  you  to  give  us  a  figure.  How 
many  new  482  cases  were  filed  this  past  year  and  the  disposition 
of  the  various  cases  that  have  been  made  this  past  year  and  how 
many  are  pending?  Will  you  give  that  to  the  committee,  too? 

Judge  Hamblen.  May  I  have  Mr.  Casazza — for  the  record,  could 
I  have  Mr.  Casazza  answer  that,  my  Clerk? 

Mr.  Casazza.  We  can  supply  it  for  the  record,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Yes,  I  would  appreciate  that. 

Judge  Hamblen.  We  will  get  that  up  to  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

[The  following  was  subsequently  received:] 

The  Tax  Court  docs  not  maintain  statistics  with  respect  to  the  types  of  issues 
raised  by  the  parties.  Nevertheless,  I  understand  from  commercial  publication 
sources  that  26  section  482  transfer-pricing  cases  were  commenced  in  the  Tax  Court 
last  year  and  that  10  such  cases  have  been  filed  so  far  this  year.  I  further  under- 
stand that  89  section  482  transfer-pricing  cases  were  pending  as  of  the  end  of  March 
of  this  year,  74  of  which  were  commenced  since  1990.  Finally,  the  Court  issued  6 
opinions  last  year  in  section  482  transfer-pricing  cases.  Four  of  those  opinions  re- 
solved dispositive  issues,  and  involved  the  Sundstrand  Corp.  and  Westreco,  Inc.,  a 
subsidiary  of  Nestle,  S.A.  The  remaining  two  opinions  resolved  various  procedural 
and  evidentiary  issues,  and  involved  Exxon  and  Texaco  and  the  Yamaha  Motor 
Corp. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  All  right.  The  Chair  wants  to  recognize  Mr. 
Houghton  now  for  any  questions. 

Mr.  Houghton. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Thank  you,  sir. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Judge,  as  you  know,  this  is  primarily  a  budget  overview  hearing, 
and  in  no  way  do  I  want  to  obstruct  justice.  But  here  you  have  on 
one  hand  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms  with  all 
their  problems  in  Waco,  suggesting  a  $9  million  cut  in  their  budget, 
and  your  organization,  irrespective  of  the  jumbo  cases,  which  has 
done  a  wonderful  job  in  reducing  the  number  of  cases  on  the  dock- 
ets, asked  for  even  more  money. 

So  what  I  am  asking  you  is:  What  are  the  implications  of  the 
things  you  are  doing? 

For  example,  what  about  these  482  cases?  Do  you  see  now  a 
greater  emphasis  on  this  issue  of  transfer  pricing?  It  is  going  to  be 
very  important. 


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Another  thing,  will  some  of  the  President's  deficit  reduction  pack- 
age affect  your  activity?  Where,  in  effect,  is  the  money  going  to  be 
spent? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  let  me  say  this,  Mr.  Houghton.  About  one- 
third  of  the  request  for  the  increase  would  be  applied  to  new  com- 
puters for  judges'  chambers  for  networking  in  the  chambers  among 
the  judges  and  their  law  clerks,  hopefully  to  enhance  production  of 
opinions.  The  opinion  process  is  still  a  laborious  one. 

For  each  case,  we  are  required  by  statute  to  give  a  written  re- 
port, which  means  findings-of-fact  and  an  opinion  based  upon  those 
facts. 

Now  we  do  have  bench  opinion  authority,  which  we  can  utilize 
for  certain  small  cases  and  which  we  do  utilize  as  often  as  we  can 
in  a  simple  case. 

But  the  fact  of  it  is,  some  of  our  most  important  issues  come  from 
very  small  cases.  For  example,  the  taxation  of  welfare  benefits  in 
California;  is  that  taxable  income  or  is  it  not?  That  takes  a  Special 
Trial  Judge  to  try  that  small  case  and  a  Presidentially  appointed 
judge  to  review  it  and  adopt  it  because  of  the  importance  of  the 
issue. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Judge,  could  I  just  interrupt  a  minute.  I  thought 
you  said  that  85  percent  of  the  expenditures  were  on  the  big  jumbo 
cases. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  85  percent  of  the  dollar  amount  in  dispute 
is  in  the  jumbo  cases,  if  I  recall  correctly.  In  other  words,  these  big, 
gigantic  cases  like  the  one  Chairman  Pickle  referred  to,  the  Aramco 
cases,  Exxon  and  Texaco,  aggregate  about  $8.5  or  $8.6  billion.  And 
that  is  one  reason  it  is  taking  so  long,  because  you  have  a  battery 
of  lawyers  in  there  representing  those  taxpayers  and  some  of  the 
best  lawyers  that  the  Government  could  produce  up  there  and  add 
a  full  staff  of  them,  and  they  went  at  that  thing  tooth  and  nail,  and 
it  took  a  long  time  to  try  it,  and  it  is  going  to  take  a  long  time  to 
decide  it  because  of  the  complexity  of  the  issues. 

We  have  got,  I  suppose,  80  to  100  of  those  cases,  Mr.  Casazza? 

[Affirmative  nod.l 

Judge  Hamblen.  And  then  we  have  cases  like — I  think  the  Fire- 
stone estate;  that  is  not  a  482  case;  that  is  not  a  transfer  pricing 
case.  But  the  deficiency  amoimt  there  is  about  $850  million.  And 
that  is  an  estate  tax  case.  And  you  have  to  be  very  careful  when 
you  are  dealing  with  those  kinds  of  figures. 

On  the  other  hand,  we  feel  we  must  be  just  as  careful  with  the 
smallest  case  that  we  have,  because  that  small  taxpayer,  who  may 
be  representing  himself,  his  case  is  just  as  important  to  him  as 
that  Aramco  case  is  to  Exxon  and  Texaco.  And  we  want  to  give  just 
as  much  attention  and  consideration  as  we  can  to  those  people  in 
the  context  of  our  facilities  and  our  resources.  It  just  does  not  take 
as  long  with  his  case. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Houghton. 

Mr.  Jefferson,  do  you  have  any  questions? 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman.  I  only  have  1  or  2 
questions. 


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If  I  could  take  you  back  a  minute  to  Mr.  Houghton's  question, 
you  talked  about  the  need  for  additional  money  this  year  in  order 
to  upgrade  the  computer  system  in  the  judges'  chambers? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  With  the  idea  that  you  can  get  decisions  cut 
faster. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Hopefully. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  that  is  what  I  want  to  ask  you  about. 
There  has  been  some  discussion  about  the  delay  in  rendering  deci- 
sions even  after  the  cases  have  been  concluded,  just  getting  a  deci- 
sion out  to  the  litigants  involved. 

What  is  the  average  time,  if  you  can  say,  that  elapses  between 
the  trial  of  a  case  and  the  issuance  of  a  decision? 

Judge  Hamblen.  All  right,  sir.  We  try  to  get  a  case  calendared 
for  trial  within  a  year  after  the  petition  is  filed.  When  a  petition 
is  filed  in  the  court,  the  Government  has  45  days  to  respond  to  that 
with  an  answer.  Then  in  some  instances  the  taxpayer  must  file  a 
reply  before  the  case  comes  to  be  what  we  call  "at  issue". 

And  then,  Mr.  Jefferson,  depending  on  the  case  itself,  you  have 
got  discovery,  and  you  have  got  trial  preparation  which  goes  on 
during  that 

Mr.  Jefferson.  I  am  really  talking  about  the  time  after  you 
have  done  all  of  that  and  the  case  is  decided. 

Judge  Hamblen.  All  right.  Now  when  the  case  is  tried,  Mr.  Jef- 
ferson, the  parties  generally  are  given  75  days  for  their  opening 
briefs,  and  that  is  sort  of  a  rule  of  the  court,  a  rule  of  thumb,  and 
they  are  given  45  days  aft^r  that  for  their  reply  briefs,  which  is 
about  120  days. 

And  there  are  other  variations.  For  example,  if  motions  for  sum- 
mary judgment  are  filed  in  the  case  that  might  have  to  be  disposed 
of,  which  could  extend  the  time  that  has  to  be  applied  to  an  indi- 
vidual case,  but  generally  the  general  rule  would  be  120  days  after 
trial,  the  briefs  are  in  and  the  judge  is  ready  to  go  to  work  on  the 
opinion. 

We  are  trying  to  have  those  cases  decided  within  1  year  after 
that  last  brief  is  filed.  Sometimes  that  cannot  be  done  for  a  number 
of  reasons.  For  example,  cases  could  be  involved  in  bankruptcy. 
Automatically  any  consideration  that  we  can  give  is  stayed  by  oper- 
ation of  law.  An  automatic  stay  comes  in,  and  there  is  nothing  we 
can  do  until  the  Bankruptcy  Court 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Could  I  interrupt  you  for  a  minute? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Sir? 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Could  I  interrupt  you  for  a  minute? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Certainly  where  there  are  intervening  cir- 
cumstances, that  is  something  extraordinary  that  you  do  not  have 
control  over. 

I  am  talking  about  the  cases  that  do  not  involve  any  outside 
intervention  like  that,  and  I  am  just  trying  to  get  an  idea  of  an  av- 
erage length  of  time. 

Would  you  say  it  is  a  year  from  the  time  that  all  the  briefing  has 
been  concluded?  Is  that  the  case? 

Judge  Hamblen.  That  is  what  we  shoot  for,  Mr.  Jefferson. 


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Mr.  Jefferson.  Do  you  think  that  is  a  reasonable  goal  for  the 
court  to  have,  a  year? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir,  because  it  takes — ^you  have  got  a  num- 
ber of  cases,  and  you  sort  of  take  them  seriatim,  in  the  order  that 
thev  are  put  into  your  inventory  after  they  are  tried  and  briefed, 
and  you  just  take  them  in  that  order.  And  some  cases  take  longer 
to  decide  than  others  because  of  the  complexity. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  If  your  budget  is  expanded  as  you  want,  what 
sort  of  improvement  from  a  year's  disposition  time  can  the  commit- 
tee expect,  can  the  people  expect?  Can  you  quantify  it? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Mr.  Jefferson,  I  do  not  believe  we  are  going  to 
be  able — and  that  is  a  goal,  the  year's  time.  I  think  it  would  be 
very  difficult  to  improve  on  that  time  because  of  the  nature  of  the 
cases  we  have  to  hear  and  decide.  We  are  the  fact-finder;  we  are 
the  opinion  writer,  and  it  is  a  laborious,  time-consuming  process. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  with  all  respect,  if  we  do  not  improve  on 
the  time,  and  the  additional  money  is  calculated  to  improve  the 
time  of  decisionmaking,  then  what  do  we  get  for  the  additional 
money? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  the  only  thing  we  could  do  is  try  to  im- 
prove on  that  time,  Mr.  Jefferson.  But  I  just  cannot  get  up  here 
and  assure  you  that  that  is  going  to  happen.  That  would  not  be  a 
correct  representation  for  me  to  make  to  you. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  I  do  not  have  any  other  questions. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  I  am  going  to  follow  through  on  that  just 
briefly  and  not  just  with  respect  to  482. 

Mr.  Jefferson  asked  a  question  about  how  you  handle  these  dis- 
covery cases  and  dispositions. 

Now  normallv  a  deposition  is  a  routine  matter,  and  most  courts 
can  handle  and  get  it  quickly  out  of  the  way.  But  under  your  Tax 
Court  rules,  your  rules  seem  to  be  so  restricted  that  you  cannot  get 
a  deposition  unless  the  taxpayer  agrees  that  employee  can  give  a 
deposition,  and  even  if  you  get  that,  your  rules  are — the  IIiS  has 
got  to  prove  that  you  have  got  to  have  extraordinary  circumstances. 

Now  under  that  environment,  it  is  hard  to  get  a  deposition  and 
hard  to  make  the  discovery  process  move  forward. 

Why  are  your  rules  much  more  restrictive  than  a  regular  court? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  let  me  give  you  an  example,  Mr.  Chair- 
man. I  was  a  law  clerk  on  this  court  with  Judge  Atkins  back  in  the 
middle  1950s  when  I  just — I  came  up  here  from  Atlanta,  the  Re- 
gional Counsel's  Office  of  the  Internal  Revenue  Service  to  be  Judge 
Atkins'  clerk.  And  as  I  recall  it  at  that  time,  we  did  not  have  any 
discovery  rules.  Life  was  much  simpler  back  then,  so  to  speak. 

I  came  into  the  court  in  1982,  and  all  of  a  sudden  I  see  that  they 
have  got  interrogatories,  requests  for  admission,  other  discovery 
tools  have  come  along,  and  then  the  deposition  area,  we  sort  of 
hark  back  on  our  old  system  that  says  in  the  Tax  Court,  Mr.  Chair- 
man, stipulation  and  informal  discovery  is  a  way  of  life  that  has 
been  going  on  since  its  very  beginning,  and  that  is  generally  the 
best  way  to  do  it. 

Now  the  Federal  Courts  are  requiring  mandatory  disclosure.  We 
have  always  required  that. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Judge,  my  question  was  particularly  with  ref- 
erence to  482.  Your  laws  on  the  deposition  and  discovery  are  so  re- 


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strictive  that,  in  my  judgment,  it  puts  IRS  at  a  disadvantage,  par- 
ticularly in  482  cases. 

Now  your  rules  are  entirely  different  than  a  lot  of  the  other 
courts,  and  I  want  to  know  why.  I  do  not  want  to  belabor  this 
point,  but  it  just  seems  to  me  that  puts  IRS  at  a  very  definite  dis- 
advantage. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  we  have  come  along,  for  example  in  our 
rule  76,  I  believe  it  is,  and  you  can  now — you  do  not  have  to  have 
the  consent  of  anyone  to  depose  the  other  party's  expert.  It  is  called 
nonconsensual  deposition  of  an  expert  witness.  And  that  is  on  the 
books. 

And  I  have  said  before  many  tax  audiences  that  as  a  trial  judge 
I  would  have  no  hesitancy  in  ordering  a  deposition  of  an  expert. 

We  think  if  they  go  after  these  experts  in  depositions,  they  can 
enhance  trial  preparation  much  better,  and  that  is  on  the  books. 
It  is  available  to  them. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Judge,  I  do  not  want  to  belabor  it,  but  I  am 
of  the  definite  opinion  you  have  put  the  Internal  Revenue  Service 
at  a  great  disadvantage  because  of  your  rules,  and  we  want  to  look 
into  this  further  with  you  about  why  your  rules  are  different  than 
other  courts,  particularly  on  these  482  cases.  So  we  will  come  back 
to  that  later, 

Jud^e  Hamblen.  Thank  you. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  The  Cfhair  wants  to  recognize  Mr.  Hancock. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Just  a  couple  of  questions,  a  little  history  on  the 
Tax  Court. 

How  many  judges  do  we  have  serving  on  the  U.S.  Tax  Court? 

Judge  Hambijcn.  Mr.  Hancock,  by  statute,  we  have  19  judges. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Nineteen,  OK 

Judge  HAMBlJi:N.  We  have  senior  judges  who  retire  at  age  70 
under  the  various  retirement  rules,  some  of  whom  are  recalled, 
some  of  whom  are  not  because  of  health  and  other  reasons. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Now  these  numbers  of  350  staff  positions,  that  is 
the  clerks  and 

Judge  Hambij<:n.  The  clerks.  And  we  have  14  special  trial  judges, 
who  are  like  magistrates,  who  handle  a  lot  of  our  small  cases  and 
some  of  our  larger  cases  that  we  can  assign  to  them  under  a  Su- 
preme Court  case  called  Freytag,  and  they  can  handle  cases  like 
tax  shelter  cases,  the  mopup  of  those  big  tax  shelter  cases. 

Mr.  Hancock.  OK  Now,  is  the  change  in  the  1986  tax  law,  is 
that  the  main  reason  that  the  number  of  cases  on  your  docket 
started  declining?  I  mean,  is  that  what — the  tax  shelters — is  that 
what  caused  it  to  decline  from,  what,  84,000  down  to  41,000? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir,  I  think  that  had  a  very  important  part 
to  play  in  that. 

Mr.  Hancock.  OK  Well,  my  question  is,  we  have  consistently  in- 
creased the  amount  of  money  that  we  are  spending  for  the  funding 
of  your  court,  and  yet  the  caseload  has  declined  from  84,000  to 
41,000.  It  looks  to  me  like  we  ought  to  be  able  to  cut  that  expense 
about  in  half 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  if  you  wanted  to  do  that,  sir,  that  is 
your — I  do  not  think  it  would  help.  I  think  it  would  just  keep  us 
from  getting  those  cases  out.  We  might  cut  down  to  about  50  per- 
cent production. 


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These  are  difficult  cases  that  we  try,  even  the  small  ones,  and 
it  takes  time  and  resources  to  do  them  right.  And  we  are  appointed 
and  confirmed  by  the  Congress  to  do  these  things  right,  and  that 
is  what  we  are  trying  to  do,  sir. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  I  understand  that.  But  it  just  would  appear 
to  me  that  when  the  workload  goes  down,  that  the  cost  of  the  oper- 
ation ought  to  go  down  a  little  bit,  too.  Maybe  not  to  that  extent, 
because  I  realize,  like  a  business,  you  know,  you  have  got  a  break- 
even point.  But  we  are  asking  for  additional  funding  here  of  what? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  we  have  a  lot  of  things  that  go  on  like 
continuing  salaries,  in-grade  increases,  £ind  other  nondiscrim- 
inatory spending  for  which  we  have  to  budget  and  which  in  turn 
increases  the  budget. 

The  only  really  discretionary  item  that  we  have  asked  for  new, 
if  I  am  not  mistaken,  would  be  the  computer  equipment,  and  that 
is  about  $1.2  million,  is  it  not,  Mr.  Casazza? 

Mr.  Casazza.  Yes. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  let  me  ask  a  question.  I  know  that  the  Presi- 
dent's new  tax  law  proposal  is  somewhat,  well,  kind  of  up  in  the 
vapors  right  now.  We  do  not  know  exactly  what  is  going  to  come 
out. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Me,  too. 

Mr.  Hancock.  But  if — well,  we  are  going  to  have  a  little  discus- 
sion about  whether  it  comes  out  the  way  you  think  it  is  going  to, 
Mr.  Chairman  [laughing]. 

Have  you  had  the  opportunity — and  I  am  sure  you  have  read  the 
newspapers  and  all,  have  you — in  your  judgment,  would  some  of 
the  proposals  that  the  President's  budget  and  his  envisioned  pro- 
gram, would  that  increase  your  load,  or  have  you  had  a  chance  to 
even  consider  that? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Sir,  that  is  ahead  of  us,  Mr.  Hancock.  And  what 
we  are  trying  to  do  is  take  what  we  have  got  now  and  move  it  for- 
ward. And  we  really  do  not  pay  too  much  attention  to  what  the 
Congress  does  with  substantive  law  until  it  is  enacted. 

Mr.  Hancock.  I  understand.  I  am  just  asking  for 

Judge  Hamblen.  I  have  not  given  that  any 

Mr.  Hancock.  I  understand.  And  I  can  understand  not  only  why 
you  would  be  hesitant  to  answer  a  question  like  that.  But  is  it  not 
true  that  the  simpler  that  we  could  make  our  tax  law,  the  less 
problem  you  would  have? 

~  Judge  Hamblen.  I  think  that  is  true.  But  a  lot  of  tax  practition- 
ers say:  God  save  us  from  simplification,  because  it  tends  to— it 
seems  like  it  tends  to  become  more  difficult. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  I  realize  that.  If  there  is  anything  that 
scares  me  to  death,  it  is  when  they  start  talking  about  tax  reform 
up  here,  you  know.  But  let  us  face  it.  Something  has  got  to  give 
before  too  long. 

I  do  not  even  know  how  many  tax  laws  we  have  got  now  on  the 
books  in  this  country.  But  it  has  reached  the  point  that  I  do  not 
understand  how  you  can  make  decisions  on  a  lot  of  these  cases  in 
a  year's  time,  because  by  the  time  you  get  through  with  it,  they 
have  changed  the  law.  So  I  guess  as  long  as  they  are  not  too  retro- 
active, we  are  in  pretty  good  shape. 


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Anyway,  I  do  think  that  some  of  us  could  use  some  suggestions 
from  the  court  on  how  we  could  maybe  solve  some  of  those  prob- 
lems in  legislation.  Here  again,  I  understand  the  separation  of  pow- 
ers. But  we  could  sure  use  some  suggestions. 

Thank  you. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you.  Mr.  Brewster,  do  you  wish  to  be 
recognized? 

Mr.  Brewster.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Judge  Hamblen,  I  missed  part  of  your  testimony,  so  I  may  be 
repetitious  in  my  question  here. 

Judge  Hamblen.  All  right,  sir. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Last  year.  Judge  Nims  testified  that  the  court 
had  amended  its  rules  to  authorize  voluntary  binding  arbitration. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Brewster.  And  that  Apple  Computer  was  one  of  the  compa- 
nies that  was  possibly  being  done  that  way. 

I  was  curious,  how  is  that  working,  the  voluntary  binding  arbi- 
tration, and  what  has  happened  with  the  Apple  case? 

Judge  Hamblen.  It  seems  to  be  moving  along.  What  they  have, 
they  have  agreed  to  three  arbitrators:  a  retired  Federal  judge,  I  be- 
lieve; an  economist  who  is  learned  in  the  area  of  computer  tech- 
nology; and  then  a  computer  technology  expert.  I  believe  that  is 
what  their  system  is. 

As  I  understand  it,  the  arbitrators  are  being  appointed.  I  have 
not  talked  to  Judge  Jacobs,  who  is  in  charge  of  that  case,  but  it 
is  my  understanding  that  that  is  where  it  is  headed. 

And  then  it  should  move  along  fairly  fast  after  that.  They  are 
using  what  is  known  as  baseball  arbitration,  in  which  each  side 
gives  this  panel  of  arbitrators  a  number,  and  the  petitioners  say: 
This  is  how  much  we  owe.  And  the  Government  gives  them  a  num- 
ber and  says:  This  is  how  much  they  owe.  And  if  they  are  too  far 
askance  either  way,  I  think  that  panel  of  experts  is  going  to  be  able 
to  pick  it  up  pretty  quickly,  and  it  looks  like  it  is  going  to  be  a  pret- 
ty expeditious  way  to  get  this  settled. 

Mr.  Brewster.  But  really  in  the  last  year,  then,  all  that  has 
happened  is  they  have  been  attempting  to  appoint 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Brewster  [continuing].  The  arbitrators?  OK 

Looking  at  how  it  works  in  baseball,  it  kind  of  makes  you  wonder 
sometimes. 

Judge  Hambijcn.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Brewster.  At  the  same  time,  it  is  my  understanding  that 
Chairman  Rostenkowski  wrote  about  a  case  last  year  that  was 
tried  in  the  Tax  Court  clear  back  in  1985,  and  the  iudge  did  not 
render  a  decision  for  3  years  and  10  months  after  the  trial.  Con- 
sequently, the  penalties  and  interest  exceeded  the  amount  of  the 
tax.  That  particular  one  did  not  look  too  complex,  in  that  there  was 
$31,000  underlying  tax,  and  they  ended  up  with  $43,000  penalties 
and  interest. 

Does  the  court  monitor  the  length  of  time  it  takes  judges  to  issue 
their  decisions? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir.  What  we  try  to  do  is  have  the  judges 
keep  us  informed  of  their  inventory,  and  the  chief  judge — and  then 


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we  monitor  that  and  go  to  that  judge  and  put  as  much  pressure 
as  we  can  on  him  or  her  to  get  those  cases  resolved. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  understood  in  your  statement  a  moment  ago 
that  on  average  about  a  year  elapses  between  the  time  of  the  trial 
of  case  and  issuance  of  a  decision. 

Judge  Hamblen.  No.  From  the  dates  that  the  briefs  are  filed, 
which  is  usually  120  days  after  the  trial,  the  date  of  decision,  a 
year  after  that. 

Mr.  Brewster.  So  about  a  year  and  3  months. 

Judge  Hamblen.  A  year,  15  months,  something  like  that. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Yes,  something  like  that. 

Judge  Hamblen.  A  year  to  15  months. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Would  it  be  fair  to  stop  penalties  and  interest  at 
the  time  the  judge  starts  deliberating? 

Judge  Hamblen.  I  will  leave  that  to  the  wisdom  of  Congress. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  am  just  asking  for  an  opinion. 

Judge  Hamblen.  It  is  my  imderstanding  that  the  Service  does 
have  the  authority  now  to  ameliorate  the  interest  factor,  and  I  as- 
sume that  they  could  do  that  on  a  case  that  has  been  decided.  I 
would  think  they  could.  That  is  my  understanding. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Well,  any  case  that  takes  3  to  4  years  to  decide, 
the  penalties  and  interest  become  very  tough — 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Brewster  [continuing].  On  the  taxpayer. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Brewster.  And  that  particular  point  is  something  that 
would  kind  of  stick  with  me. 

Thank  you. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Thank  you,  sir. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  Judge,  I  will  make  the  observation,  if 
you  have  got  a  case  in  this  instance  that  Mr.  Brewster  mentioned, 
which  was  worth  $31,000,  and  now  after  3  years  that  the  judge  has 
been  considering,  and  the  interest  and  penalty  is  more  than  the  tax 
at  issue,  now  there  has  got  to  be  some  kind  of  explanation  of  why 
it  takes  3  years  to  settle  a  $31,000  case  when  the  interest  and  pen- 
alty is  more  than  the  case  was  originally. 

Why  would  it  take  3  years? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Sometimes  some  judges  get  an  inventory  of 
cases  much  larger  than  the  other  judges  on  the  court,  and  we  are 
trying  to  work  that  out  now,  so  that  we  can  transfer  cases  back  and 
forth. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  that  judge 

Judge  Hamblen.  That  is  about  all  I  can  tell  you. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  that  is  an  unsatisfactory  answer. 

Judge  Hamblen.  I  understand. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  It  just — on  the  face  of  it,  there  is  no  way  to 
accept  satisfactorily  and  put  yourself  at  ease,  you  have  got  a  case 
worth  that  much  money  and  fool  around  with  it  for  3  years — now 
if  you  take  3  years  and  some  judge  is  overloaded,  you  ought  to  shift 
your  cases  around.  But  there  is  no  good  explanation  for  that.  At 
least,  I  do  not  accept  that,  and  it  bothers  me. 

Now  let  me  ask  you  another  question  along  with 

Judge  Hamblen.  It  bothers  me,  too. 


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Chairman  Pickle  [continuing].  On  the  line  about  the  arbitration. 
Judge  Nims  a  year  ago  testified  that  you  all  agreed  to  set  up  these 
arbitration  rules.  Tha^t  should  speed  things  up,  and  I  am  encour- 
aged, and  we  were  encouraged  then.  And  yet  it  has  taken  you  a 
vear  to  appoint  the  arbitrators.  That  is  not  much  speed,  and  you 
nave  not  made  any  kind  of  decision  yet. 

Now  I  think  it  has  a  great  prospect,  but  it  seems  to  me  like  if 
it  takes  you  a  full  year  just  to  make  arbitration,  I  do  not  know  how 
much  we  are  going  to  really  gain  by  using  that  procedure. 

Is  that  an  unfair  observation? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  sir,  let  me  put  it  this  way,  Mr.  Chairman. 
The  parties  are  the  ones  who  tie  up  the  arbitration  and  how  it  is 
going  to  be  done.  Perhaps  we  should  get  more  into  how  it  is  going 
to  be  done. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  see. 

Judge  Hamblen.  And  see  if  we  cannot  push  these  parties  to  a 
better  system  than  the  one  they  have  done. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  I  agree  with  that.  I  agree  with  that. 

Should  we,  the  Congress,  give  you  a  directive  on  that  type  of 
thing  or  on  any  of  these  issues  we  are  talking  about?  Would  it  help 
you  if  you  had  more  authority  from  us? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Well,  I  think  what  we  need  to  do  is  go  back  and 
look  at  what  we  have  and  see  what  we  are  doing  wrong  or  right 
now  with  regard  to  the  Apple  Computer  case  and  how  long  that 
case  has  taken  and  then  come  back  to  you,  if  we  can,  Mr,  Chair- 
man. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  I  would  like  for  you  to  do  that. 

Judge  Hamblen.  We  shall. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Now  let  me  g^ve  you  an  example  of  why  I  am 
interested  in  this  type  of  thing. 

The  University  of  Texas  School  of  Law  in  Austin  has  just  estab- 
lished a  Center  for  Public  Policy  Dispute  Resolutions  and  to  pro- 
mote alternative  ways  to  achieve  a  settlement  in  these  kinds  of 
cases. 

The  center  works  with  State  and  local  agencies  of  the  courts  to 
promote  these  alternative  dispute  resolution  techniques,  such  as 
mediation.  This  is  being  practiced  through  private  funding  by  foun- 
dations in  other  places  of  the  country.  Our  school  has  just  entered 
into  it. 

I  attended  a  dedication  of  that  center  recently.  I  think  it  holds 
great  promise  for  speeding  up  and  for  settlement  of  cases — our 
courts  are  getting  clogged  with  all  kinds  of  cases,  because  one  side 
or  the  other  do  not  like  it  and  say:  I  am  going  to  sue  you.  And  the 
courts  are  getting  bogged  down,  and  it  ends  up  on  your  doorstep, 
many  of  them. 

Now  the  question  is:  Can  we  get  more  settlements  through  alter- 
native dispute  resolution  procedures  to  help  settle  some  of  these 
things? 

I  am  hoping  that  ours  in  Texas  will  work  well.  I  believe  it  will. 
I  think  it  is  going  to  take  the  use  of  local  people  to  serve  as  medi- 
ators, and  we  will  make  some  progress. 

So  my  question  is:  Is  there  any  potential  for  these  alternative 
dispute  resolution  approaches  in  the  Tax  Court? 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 


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Chairman  Pickle.  Expand.  Tell  me  how  you  intend  to  work  it. 

Judge  Hamblen.  I  think  if  we  can — the  parties  have  to  agree  to 
do  it,  Mr.  Chairman,  unless  you  give  us  authority  to  compel  them 
to  do  it.  Now  I  do  not  know  whether  you  would  want  to  do  that 
or  not.  But  there  are  certain  issues  which,  it  seems  to  me,  might 
be  perfectly — ^be  better  settled  through  arbitration  than  through  a 
judicial  process. 

One  of  them  would  be  a  lot  of  these  valuation  cases,  where  you 
have  closely  held  stock  in  a  corporation,  and  the  disparity  between 
the  Government's  figures  and  the  taxpayer's  figures  is  just  enor- 
mous. And  it  seems  to  me  that  any  case,  for  example,  a  reasonable 
compensation  case,  for  that  matter,  any  intensely  factual  case,  is 
tailor-made  for  arbitration. 

So  I  think — I  think  what  they  are  doin^  now  at  the  University 
of  Texas  is  very  worthwhile.  At  our  judicial  conference  last  year, 
we  had  professors  and  other  people  come  in  and  talk  to  us  about 
this  in  the  hope  that  we  can  encourage  litigants  before  us  to  do  it. 

But  right  now,  you  cannot  force  them  to  do  it.  You  can  just  en- 
courage them  very  strongly  to  do  it. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  I  think  this  committee  wants  to  make 
any  statement  that  would  be  helpful  to  you. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  do  not  think  we  want  to  set  a  time  limit  so 
that  you  have  got  to  settle  a  case  within  so  many  months.  I  do  not 
think  we  want  to  meddle  with  the  due  process  procedure.  I  think 
we  can  give  language  to  you  to  indicate  what  our  feelings  are  and 
how  you  should  proceed. 

Perhaps  we  can  work  with  you  to  find  some  ways  to  help  speed 
up  this  process. 

I  am  encouraged  that  your  cases  are  going  down  in  numbers,  al- 
though it  looks  like  you  may  get  ambushed  on  a  series  of  482  cases. 
Section  482  cases  have  got  to  be  settled  more  quickly.  They  are 
complex  cases.  But  we  have  got  to  find  some  way  to  speed  them 
up,  or  else  we  are  going  to  get  engulfed  in  delays. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Chairman  Pickle.  So  I  want  to  be  working  with  you,  and  this 
committee  will  try  to  find  some  way  to  speed  up  those  cases  and 
try  to  make  some  decision  and  stop  the  interminable  delays. 

Of  course,  we  do  not  want  to  direct  you  to  make  a  decision  before 
you  are  ready  to  make  it.  But  we  neither  want  you  to  proceed  like 
slow  as  molasses  in  Maine. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Yes,  sir. 

Chairman  Pickle.  In  the  wintertime.  But  somewhere  in  between 
that,  we  can  do  a  better  a  job,  and  I  hope  that  we  can. 

Let  me  ask  Mr.  Santorum,  do  you  have  any  questions  to  ask 
him? 

Mr.  Santorum.  No. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Did  not.  Do  any  other  members  have  any 
questions  to  ask  the  judge  at  this  point? 

[No  response.] 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  Judge  Hamblen,  we  thank  you.  We  have 
had  a  great  relationship  with  your  court,  and  you  are  doing  a  good 
job.  We  hope  it  continues.  But  we  are  also  going  to  hope  that  we 
can  speed  up  a  little  on  these  cases. 


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Judge  Hamblen.  Mr.  Pickle,  we  look  forward  to  working  with 
you,  sir. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you,  sir.  Thank  you  very  much. 

Judge  Hamblen.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Houghton. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you.  Judge. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Now  the  Chair  will  ask  the  Director  of  the 
ATF,  Mr.  Higgins,  if  he  will  come  forward.  I  understand  Mr.  Hig- 
gins  is  here. 

Mr.  Stephen  Higgins  is  Director  of  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  To- 
bacco and  Firearms.  You  have  some  people  with  you.  Would  you 
identify  the  individuals  who  will  be  accompanying  you,  Mr.  Hig- 
gins? 

Mr.  Higgins.  I  sure  will.  I  have  Mr.  Dave  Troy,  who  is  Chief  of 
our  Intelligence  Division  in  Law  Enforcement  and  Mr.  Dan  Black, 
who  is  Deputy  Director  and  Head  of  our  Office  of  Compliance  Oper- 
ations. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Mr.  Black  and  Mr.  Troy,  you  are 
welcome  to  this  committee,  too. 

Now,  Mr.  Higgins,  at  the  beginning  of  this  session — earlier  when 
you  were  not  here,  we  made  opening  statements.  I  will  not  go 
through  that  statement  again. 

Mr.  Houghton  may  have  some  additional  statement,  because  he 
withheld  any  comments  until  you  arrived. 

I  simply  want  to  say  to  you  that  we  are  not  trying  to  make  a 
final  judgment  on  who  is  right  and  who  is  wrong  on  the  operation 
of  your  concern.  My  questioning  to  you  will  be  budgetary  questions, 
and  also  there  will  be  questions  with  respect  to  the  Waco  incident. 
But  I  will  touch  on  those  later,  since  I  have  already  made  the 
statement. 

I  do  want  to  recognize  Mr.  Houghton  for  any  questions  he  might 
want  to  make  or  a  statement  before  you  commence.  Do  you  want 
to  make  any  statement  now,  Mr.  Houghton? 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  do  not  think  I  need  to.  Obviously  this  is  a  very 
sensitive  subject.  You  are  on  the  hot  seat;  you  know  it.  We  want 
to  be  helpful.  We  do  not  want  to  cast  blame.  We  do  not  want  to 
point  fingers.  But  we  do  want  to  have  the  information  which  is  im- 
portant for  us  as  a  committee. 

But  thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Mr.  Higgins,  and  with  that,  then  if  you  will 
proceed,  then  we  will  proceed  with  our  questions. 

Mr.  Higgins.  All  right. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  personally  want  to  thank  you  for  coming,  be- 
cause I  know  that  this  is  a  very  difficult  time  for  you.  But  this  is 
a  hearing  we  had  set  previously  before  the  events  of  last  week.  We 
need  to  talk  to  you  about  budgetary  figures,  and  we  need  to  ask 
questions  pertaining  to  the  great  difficulty  and  ordeal  that  you 
have  undergone.  So  we  appreciate  the  fact  that  you  would  come 
here  under  difficult  times. 

Mr.  Higgins.  Well,  I  think  that  is  why  they  pay  me  such  a  high 
salary  to  do  this.  [Laughter.] 


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STATEMENT  OF  STEPHEN  E.  HIGGINS,  DIRECTOR,  BUREAU  OF 
ALCOHOL,  TOBACCO  AND  FIREARMS,  U.S.  DEPARTMENT  OF 
THE  TREASURY,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  DANIEL  BLACK,  DEPUTY 
DIRECTOR  AND  ASSOCIATE  DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF  COMPLI- 
ANCE OPERATIONS;  AND  DAVID  C.  TROY,  CHIEF,  INTEL- 
LIGENCE DIVISION,  OFFICE  OF  LAW  ENFORCEMENT 

Mr.  HlGGlNS.  Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the  subcommittee, 
it  is  a  privilege  to  appear  before  you  to  discuss  our  1992  accom- 
plishments, our  1993  operations,  and  our  1994  budget  request.  And 
I  also  sincerely  appreciate  your  statements  of  sympathy  and  sup- 
port following  the  tragic  incident  in  Waco  and  also  your  willingness 
to  wait  for  final  judgment.  Many  people  do  not  want  to  wait  until 
all  the  information  is  in,  but  I  think  that  is  the  fair  way  for  every- 
one involved,  and  I  appreciate  your  understanding  of  that. 

The  resource  requirements  for  ATF  in  fiscal  year  1994  are  esti- 
mated to  be  4,201  full-time  equivalent  positions  and  $364,245,000. 
That  includes  a  slight  program  increase  of  five  FTEs  and 
$1,685,000  to  support  the  Bureau's  system  modernization  program, 
an  increase  of  slightly  over  $8  million  to  maintain  the  current  level 
of  operations,  offset  by  reductions  of  $13,739,00  and  65  positions 
associated  with  nonrecurring  costs  and  other  savings  for  fiscal  year 
1994. 

The  user  fee  proposal  included  in  the  President's  budget  seeks 
authorization  to  establish  a  user  fee  program  for  processing  appli- 
cations for  certificates  of  alcohol  label  approvals  and  conducting 
laboratory  tests  and  analyses.  The  anticipated  user  fee  collections 
of  $5  million  would  offset  the  cost  of  processing  the  applications 
and  conducting  the  tests,  and  that  would  result,  tnen,  in  a  final  fis- 
cal year  1994  appropriation  of  $359,245,000. 

The  estimated  collections  from  that  user  fee  are  based  on  current 
processing  levels,  and  we  assume  no  dramatic  decline  in  filings  due 
to  the  imposition  of  that  fee. 

In  fiscal  year  1993,  we  have  taken  a  reduction  of  43  FTEs,  and 
in  1994  we  are  estimating  reductions  of  60  FTE  positions.  That  will 
be  spread  both  through  Law  Enforcement  and  Compliance.  In  Law 
Enforcement,  it  is  a  reduction  of  three  FTEs  in  the  Alcohol  Pro- 
gram and  38  FTEs  in  the  Explosives  Program.  In  the  Compliance 
area,  it  would  be  a  19  FTE  reduction  in  Compliance-Alcohol. 

The  reductions  in  Law  Enforcement-Alcohol  and  Explosives  are 
being  taken  in  order  to  minimize  the  impact  of  administrative  re- 
ductions on  the  Firearms  Program,  which  is  the  prime  focus  of  our 
law  enforcement  efforts.  The  Law  Enforcement  Firearms  Program 
will  maintain  current  levels  of  resources  and  workload  during  fiscal 
year  1994  in  all  but  one  area.  Firearms  tracings  are  estimated  to 
increase  15.5  percent  in  1994  without  any  additional  resources.  In 
the  Explosives  Program,  a  4.8  percent  workload  reduction  in  cases 
initiated  and  suspects  recommended  for  prosecution  is  anticipated. 

The  reduction  of  19  FTEs  in  the  Compliance-Alcohol  Program 
will  lead  to  a  2.8  percent  drop  in  inspections,  specifically  in  product 
and  market  integrity  areas. 

At  your  request,  we  are  providing  a  summary  of  Bureau  work- 
loads from  1990  through  1994.  We  are  also  providing  a  history  of 
our  1994  request  from  our  original  submission  to  Treasury  through 


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the  final  levels  approved  by  0MB  and  incorporated  in  the  Presi- 
dent's budget. 

ATF  conducts  operations  through  four  programs:  Alcohol,  To- 
bacco, Firearms,  and  Explosives.  And  they  are  divided  between  two 
programs.  Compliance  Operations  and  Law  Enforcement. 

We  understand  the  committee  intends  to  focus  on  revenue  mat- 
ters and  related  compliance  operations  programs,  as  well  as  on 
major  recent  investigative  cases  with  their  resource  implications. 

ATF  has  undertaken  several  major  investigations  in  fiscal  year 
1993.  The  most  significant  are,  of  course,  the  World  Trade  Center 
bombing  and  the  operation  in  Waco. 

The  World  Trade  Center  bombing  caused  massive  damage  at  the 
site,  an  estimated  loss  of  $500  million,  resulted  in  six  confirmed 
deaths,  and  several  thousand  people  who  were  treated  for  various 
injuries. 

On  March  3,  1993,  an  ATF  explosives  enforcement  officer,  work- 
ing as  part  of  a  multiagency  team,  uncovered  a  vehicle  identifica- 
tion number  from  rubble  at  the  bomb  scene  that  eventually  led  to 
the  apprehension  of  Mohammed  Salameh.  A  total  of  six  individuals 
have  now  been  indicted  in  connection  with  the  bombing. 

We  estimate  this  investigation's  costs  could  exceed  $600,000,  not 
including  the  salaries  of  those  involved. 

The  operation  in  Waco,  which  began  on  February  28,  involved 
the  execution  of  a  Federal  search  warrant  at  the  Branch  Davidian 
compound,  which  was  alleged  to  have  scores  of  illegal  firearms  and 
explosives  inside.  More  than  100  special  agents,  including  three 
special  response  teams,  were  deployed  to  the  scene. 

Four  ATF  agents  were  killed  and  16  others  were  injured  in  the 
raid,  which  resulted  in  a  51-day  standoff  situation.  The  situation 
concluded  on  April  19  with  the  destruction  of  the  Branch  Davidian 
compound  by  fire.  Nine  cult  members  survived  that  fire. 

We  have  had  other  notable  firearms  and  arson  investigations  this 
fiscal  year.  For  example,  ATF  is  conducting  an  ongoing  investiga- 
tion 01  a  certain  violent  extremist  group.  Because  of  the  sensitivity 
of  that  investigation,  specific  details  cannot  be  released.  However, 
I  can  say  the  group  is  responsible  for  supplying  illegally  obtained 
firearms  through  their  associates  in  several  major  U.S.  cities. 
These  activities  are  being  financed  by  criminal  activities. 

At  the  end  of  the  investigation,  we  expect  multiple  indictments 
for  violations  of  Federal  firearms  laws.  That  investigation  is  esti- 
mated to  cost  $457,000. 

The  Bureau  has  had  several  significant  arson  investigations 
which  have  totaled  approximately  $43,000  in  costs.  These  have  in- 
volved arson  incidents  in  Carbondale  and  Alton,  111.,  and  in  Seattle, 
Wash. 

ATF  has  responded  to  these  major  investigations  by  shifting  re- 
sources from  normal  operating  expenses  such  as  training,  travel, 
and  purchase  of  equipment  and  vehicles.  Examples  of  activities 
that  the  Bureau  has  had  to  postpone  or  cancel  are  as  follows: 

First,  we  were  unable  to  send — ^fortunately,  they  were  not  need- 
ed— additional  special  response  teams  to  Los  Angeles  to  help  pre- 
pare for  the  potential  civil  unrest  after  the  verdicts. 

Supplying  additional  special  response  teams  to  Boise,  Idaho, 
where  the  Randy  Weaver  and  Kevin  Harris  trial  is  taking  place. 


70-792  0-93 


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The  purchase  of  new  radio  equipment  to  support  field  operations. 

The  purchase  of  new  vehicles. 

There  are  others.  Those  are  the  more  expensive  ones. 

Turning  now  to  compliance  operations,  enforcement  of  the  excise 
tax  laws  relating  to  alcohol,  tobacco,  firearms  and  ammunition  and 
support  to  law  enforcement  efforts  in  the  firearms  and  explosives 
areas  are  the  heart  of  ATFs  compliance  mission.  Total  tax  collec- 
tions in  fiscal  year  1993  will  approach  $14  billion. 

Firearms  and  ammunition  excise  tax  responsibilities  were  trans- 
ferred to  ATF  during  fiscal  year  1991.  Revenues  of  $150  million  are 
anticipated  in  fiscal  year  1994.  Since  the  tax  computation  is  more 
complex  and  the  industry  is  not  subject  to  the  same  degree  of  over- 
sight as  the  alcohol  and  tobacco  industries,  the  underpayment  of 
taxes  and  other  compliance  problems  are  more  fi-equent  with  the 
firearms  and  ammunition  excise  taxpayers. 

In  the  first  6  months  of  the  current  fiscal  year,  we  identified  $2.3 
million  in  additional  firearms  and  ammunition  excise  tax  liabilities. 

Most  of  the  resources  allocated  for  Compliance  Operations-Fire- 
arms go  to  support  law  enforcement  efforts  by  enforcing  compliance 
with  the  Gun  Control  Act  and  the  National  Firearms  Act.  There 
are  currently  over  286,000  Federal  firearms  licenses,  with  acceler- 
ated growth  this  year.  We  have  developed  a  national  program  to 
increase  the  frequency  of  dealer  contacts  within  existing  resources. 
About  25,000  field  inspections  are  planned  for  fiscal  year  1993. 

The  explosives  licensing  and  compliance  program,  on  the  other 
hand,  is  one  that  is  relatively  stable.  Due  to  the  public  safety  im- 
pact, we  have  continued  to  devote  sufficient  resources  to  this  effort 
to  assure  regular  inspections  of  all  licensees  and  permitees  that 
store  high  explosives. 

Moving  to  tobacco,  the  tobacco  program  is  exclusively  concerned 
with  revenue-related  activities.  The  31  FTEs  requested  for  fiscal 
year  1994  will  enable  us  to  protect  the  $6.2  billion  in  project  reve- 
nue. Due  to  the  tax  increase  effective  January  1,  1993,  we  are 
again  in  the  process  of  collecting  floor  stocks  taxes  on  cigarettes. 
With  payment  not  due  until  June  30,  verification  of  taxes  due  will 
continue  well  into  fiscal  year  1994. 

Underpayments  and  errors  are  more  common  with  floor  stocks 
than  with  normal  excise  tax  collections.  Common  problems  are 
misstatements  of  inventories  and  failure  to  file  until  and  unless  in- 
spected, which  goes  with  floor  stock  taxes  being  one-time  taxes  that 
require  filings  by  thousands  of  businesses  that  do  not  ordinarily  file 
excise  tax  returns. 

In  addition,  we  are  finding  many  instances  of  permitees  and  dis- 
tributors moving  aggressively  to  avoid  the  tax,  often  by  shifting  a 
large  burden  downstream  to  unwitting  retailers  who  are  much  less 
likely  to  pay.  In  the  first  6  months  of  the  current  fiscal  year,  we 
identified  over  $400,000  in  additional  floor  stocks  taxes  due. 

In  alcohol,  the  fiscal  year  1994  alcohol  revenue  is  expected  to  top 
$8  billion.  The  compliance  program,  if  funded  at  the  level  re- 
quested, would  authorize  791  FTEs  and  $48.5  million.  This  rep- 
resents a  decrease  of  19  FTEs  and  $5.3  million  compared  to  the 
1993  authorized  level. 


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The  estimated  user  fee  collections  have  been  deducted  from  the 
gross  appropriation  for  this  program  and  contribute  to  the  $5.3  mil- 
lion decrease  in  funding. 

Revenue  protection  is  enhanced  by  the  permit  system  and  by  en- 
forcement of  alcoholic  beverage  labeling  requirements  under  the 
FAA  Act,  since  products  mislabeled  may  also  be  misclassified  for 
tax  purposes.  This  is  especially  so  in  the  case  of  imports,  where  in 
addition  to  reviewing  labels  we  require  analysis  of  samples  prior  to 
importation  for  certain  tvpes  of  products. 

Our  investigations  of  label  frauds  involve  imported  products. 
They  have  disclosed  many  cases  where  there  were  tax  violations  oc- 
curring with  or  even  at  the  root  of  the  fraudulent  violation  of  the 
labeling  rules. 

Mr.  Chairman,  reaching  the  end  of  my  opening  remarks,  I  will 
now  move  on  to  the  issue  of  the  user  fee  proposal  in  our  1994  budg- 
et request. 

The  proposal,  if  enacted  through  the  appropriations  process,  will 
authorize  collection  of  fees  on  various  services  which  members  of 
the  alcohol  industry  now  obtain  from  ATF  at  no  charge  in  order  to 
comply  with  regulatory  requirements.  An  estimated  $5  million  will 
be  realized  ana  treated  as  offsetting  collections  to  be  used  to  fund 
ATF  operations  in  lieu  of  appropriate  funds.  Accordingly,  our  net 
request  is  for  $5  million  less  than  would  otherwise  be  required  to 
fund  the  same  level  of  operations. 

The  proposal  sets  minimum  fee  levels  as  follows:  $50  for  each  ap- 
plication for  label  approval  and  $250  for  each  formula  or  laboratory 
test. 

User  fees  would  be  collected  for  processing  applications  for  cer- 
tificates of  label  approval — we  call  those  COLAs — and  for  review  of 
formulas  and  laboratory  tests  and  analyses  performed  under  the 
FAA  and  the  Internal  Revenue  Code.  Formulas  and  statements  of 
process  are  required  to  be  submitted  for  alcoholic  beverages  that 
are  produced  by  methods  other  than  fermentation  or  distillation — 
for  example,  the  manufacture  of  cordials  and  liqueurs. 

Laboratory  tests  or  analyses  are  required  for  imported  alcoholic 
beverages  that  would  be  subject  to  the  same  formula  requirement 
if  they  nad  been  domestically  produced. 

The  $5  million  estimate  was  arrived  at  by  multiplying  estimated 
numbers  of  items  processed  by  the  proposed  minimum  fees.  This 
estimate  assumes  that  the  number  of  items  processed  will  not  de- 
cline dramatically  due  to  the  imposition  of  those  fees. 

In  conclusion,  Mr.  Chairman,  we  appreciate  and  we  value  the 
subcommittee's  interest  in  ensuring  the  integrity  and  quality  of  our 
administration  of  the  tax  laws,  and  I  and  my  associates  will  be 
happy  to  answer  any  questions  you  may  have. 

Thank  you. 

[The  prepared  statement  and  attachments  follow:] 


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TESTIMONY  OF  STEPHEN  E.  HIGGINS,  DIRECTOR, 
BUREAU  OF  ALCOHOL,  TOBACCO  AND  HREARMS 

Mr.  Chairman  and  Members  of  the  Subcommittee,  it  is  a  privilege  to  appear  berore  you  to  discuss  our 
1992  accomplishments,  1993  operations  and  1994  budget  request 

Accompanying  me  today  are  Mr.  Daniel  Black,  Deputy  Director  and  Associate  Director,  Office  of 
Compliance  Operations;  Mr.  Daniel  Hartnett,  Deputy  Director  and  Associate  Director,  OfTice  of  Law 
Enforcement;  and  Mr.  Arthur  Ubertucci,  Assistant  Director,  Office  of  Administration  and  Chief 
Financial  Officer. 

Resource  requirements  for  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms  in  FY  1994  are  estimated  to 
be  4,201  FTE  positions  and  $364,245,000.  This  includes  a  program  increase  of  5  FTE  positions  and 
$1,685,000  to  support  the  Bureau  Systems  Modernization  Program,  an  increase  of  $8,201,000  to 
maintain  the  current  level  of  operations,  offset  by  reductions  of  $13,739,000  and  65  full-time  equivalent 
positions  associated  with  nonrecurring  costs  and  savings  for  I^  1994. 

The  user  fee  proposal  included  in  the  President's  Budget  seeks  aulhorli'.ation  to  establish  a  user  fee 
program  for  processing  applications  for  certificates  of  alcohol  label  approvals  (or  exemptions 
therefrom)  and  conducting  laboratory  tests  and  analyses.  Anticipated  user  fee  collections  of  $5,000,000 
would  offset  the  cost  of  processing  applications  and  conducting  laboratory  tests  so  as  to  result  in  a  final 
FY  1994  appropriation  of  $359,245,000.  The  estimated  collections  are  based  on  current  processing 
levels  of  chargeable  items  multiplied  by  the  proposed  fees,  and  assume  no  dramatic  decline  in  filings 
due  to  imposition  of  the  fees. 

No  1993  programs  or  funding  levels  have  been  reduced  below  FY  1992  actual  levels.  There  is  a 
reduction  of  43  FTE  positions  authorized.  Our  FY  1994  request  is  60  FTE  positions  and  $3,853,000 
below  our  Fiscal  Year  1993  budget  authority  level. 

The  FY  1994  reductions  of  60  FTE  positions  (and  associated  funding)  will  be  taken  as  3  FTE's  in 
alcohol  and  38  FTE's  in  explosives  for  Law  Enforcement,  and  as  a  19  FTE  reduction  in  alcohol  for 
Compliance  Operations. 

The  reductions  in  LE  alcohol  and  explosives  are  planned  to  minimize  the  impact  of  administrative 
reductions  on  the  firearms  program,  which  is  the  prime  focus  of  our  law  enforcement  efforts.  The  LE 
Firearms  program  will  maintain  current  levels  of  resources  and  workload  during  FY  1994  in  all  but  one 
area.  Firearms  tracings  are  estimated  to  increase  15.5  percent  in  FY  1994  without  any  additional 
resources.  In  the  explosives  program,  a  4.8  percent  workload  reduction  in  cases  initialed  and  suspects 
recommended  for  prosecution  is  anticipated. 

The  reduction  of  19  FTE's  in  the  CO  alcohol  program  will  lead  to  a  2.8  percent  drop  in  inspections, 
specifically  in  the  product  and  market  integrity  areas. 

At  your  request,  we  are  providing  a  summary  of  Bureau  workloads  for  1990  through  1994.  We  are  also 
providing  a  history  of  our  fiscal  1994  request  from  submission  by  ATF  to  Treasury  through  the  final 
levels  approved  by  OMB  and  incorporated  in  the  President's  Budget. 

ATF  conducts  operations  through  four  programs:  alcohol,  tobacco,  firearms  and  explosives  which  are 
applicable  to  both  Compliance  Operations  and  Law  Enforcement  Activities. 

We  understand  that  the  Subcommittee  intends  to  focus  on  revenue  matters  and  related  Compliance 
Operations  programs,  as  well  as  on  recent  major  investigative  cases  with  their  resource  implications. 

MAJOR  INVESTIGATIVE  CASES 

ATF  has  undertaken  several  major  investigations  in  FY  1993.  Costs  associated  with  these  efforts  are  based  on 
actual  and  projected  costs,  consistent  with  the  number  of  manhours  expended.  Specific  staffing  during  each 
investigation  has  varied;  therefore,  we  cannot  determine  the  exact  levels  of  personnel.  These  investigations  are 
described  as  follows: 

World  Trade  Center  Bombing 

On  February  26,  ATF  activated  its  Northeast  National  Response  Team  to  New  York  City  to  assist  local 
authorities  and  the  FBI  in  the  investigation  of  an  explosion  at  the  World  Trade  Center.  The  explosion  caused 
massive  damage  two  levels  above  and  below  the  suspected  blast  seat  at  a  cost  of  $500  million.  It  resulted  in  6 
confirmed  deaths  and  several  thousand  people  who  were  treated  for  injuries,  smoke  inhalation,  and  shock. 


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On  March  3,  1993,  an  ATF  explosives  enforcement  officer  uncovered  a  vehicle  identification  number  from  rubble 
at  the  bomb  scene.  The  number  was  traced,  and  it  was  determined  that  the  vehicle,  a  Ryder  Rental  Company 
van,  had  been  rented  but  reported  stolen  the  day  prior  to  the  explosion.  Subsequent  investigation  revealed  that  it 
was  rented  by  Mohammed  Salameh. 

On  March  5,  1993,  ATF  and  FBI  special  agents,  assisted  by  an  ATF  forensic  chemist,  executed  a  Federal  search 
warrant  at  a  storage  facility  in  New  Jersey.  Special  agents  recovered  explosive  materials  from  the  site,  including 
urea,  nitric  acid,  nilro-glycerin,  cardboard  tubes,  and  hobby  fuse.  Special  agents  served  a  search  warrant  on 
Mohammed  Salameh,  based  on  information  that  the  van  he  was  driving  was  seen  at  the  storage  unit  prior  to  the 
bombing.  A  total  of  six  individuals  have  now  been  indicted  in  connection  with  the  bombing. 

We  estimated  that  this  investigation  could  exceed  approximately  $600,000,  not  including  the  salaries  of  those 
involved. 

Waco  Operation  (Investigation  of  Branch  Davidian  Cult) 

On  February  28,  ATF  initiated  the  execution  of  a  Federal  search  warrant  at  a  compyound  of  the  Branch  Davidian 
Movement  in  Waco,  Texas,  headed  by  Vernon  Howell,  aka  David  Koresh.  The  compound  was  alleged  to  have 
scores  of  illegal  firearms  and  explosives  within  its  borders.  More  than  100  special  agents,  including  3  special 
response  teams,  were  deployed  to  the  scene. 

Four  ATF  agents  were  killed  and  16  others  were  injured  in  the  raid.  The  standoff  concluded  on  April  19  with  the 
destruction  of  the  Branch  Davidian  compound  by  fire.  It  has  been  reported  that  nine  members  of  the  cult 
survived  the  fire. 

We  have  an  estimate  of  ATF  costs  for  the  Waco  operation.  But  we  are  concerned  about  the  significant  number 
of  factors  which  go  into  making  it  as  accurate  as  we'd  like  il.  Therefore,  we'd  prefer  to  make  this  analysis  of  cost 
for  the  Waco  operation  part  of  our  review,  which  is  about  to  begin.  Ultimately,  there  will  be  a  full  and  complete 
accounting  of  funds  expended  in  connection  with  Waco. 
Firearms  Investigation 

ATF  is  conducting  an  ongoing  investigation  of  a  violent  extremist  group.  Because  of  the  sensitivity  of  this 
investigation,  specific  details  cannot  be  released.  The  group  is  responsible  for  supplying  illegally  obtained 
firearms  to  their  as.sociates  in  several  major  U.S.  cities.  These  activities  are  being  financed  by  criminal  aas. 

At  the  conclusion  of  the  investigation,  ATF  expects  multiple  indictments  for  violations  of  the  Federal  firearms 
laws. 

Estimated  cost  of  investigation  to  dale:  1457,000 

Other  Significant  Arson  and  Explosives  Invcslifalions 

On  December  6,  1992,  the  Midwest  National  Response  Team  was  activated  to  Carbondalc,  Illinois,  to  a.ssisl  Stale 
and  local  authorities  in  the  investigation  of  an  arson  fire  that  (Kcurrcd  in  an  off-campus  apartment  building.  The 
apartment  building  was  occupied  by  students  attending  Southern  Illinois  University.  Five  students  were  killed 
and  nine  were  injured.  Structural  damage  has  been  estimated  in  cxces.s  of  S.VXl.tXX).  The  assistance  of  the 
National  Respon.se  Team  was  requested  by  Ihc  Illinois  Stale  Fire  Marshal,  the  Ll.S.  allorncy's  office,  and  the 
Carbondale  Fire  and  Police  Deparlmcnis.  ATF,  along  with  the  Illinois  Stale  Fire  Marshal's  Office,  has 
determined  the  cause  of  the  fire  to  be  arson.  The  investigation  is  continuing. 

Estimated  cost  of  investigation  to  dale:  S5I,(X)I) 

On  October  23,  1992,  an  arson  fire  destroyed  a  Iwo-  family  dwelling  in  Alton,  Illinois.  Two  firemen  died  while 
fighting  the  fire  when  the  structure  collapsed  on  Ihcm.  On  October  28,  1992, 

Iwo  suspects  were  arrested  by  task  force  members  for  the  fire  and  dealh  of  the  firemen.  ATF  is  a  member  of  the 
task  force.  The  investigation  is  continuing. 

Estimated  cost  of  investigation  to  dale:  132,000 

Between  Augu.sl  6,  1992,  and  February  6,  1993,  more  than  1 10  similar  incendiary  fires  occurred  in  the  greater 
Seattle,  Washington,  area.  A  serial  arsonist  was  suspected  as  being  responsible  for  the  fires.  A  task  force  headed 
by  ATF  was  created.  On  February  6,  1993,  a  suspect  was  arrested  by  the  lask  force.  The  suspect  confessed  to  76 
of  the  fires  and  is  suspected  of  .selling  many  of  the  others.  On  March  5,  199.3,  the  suspect  entered  a  plea  of  guilty 
to  32  counts  of  arson.  The  investigation  is  continuing. 

Estimated  cost  of  investigation  to  date:  $360,000 


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Result  of  Expenditure  of  Resources 

ATF  has  responded  to  these  major  investigations  by  shifting  resources  from  normal  operating  expenses,  such  as 
training,  travel,  and  purchase  of  equipment  and  vehicles. 

Examples  of  activities  that  the  Bureau  has  had  to  postpone  or  cancel  are  as  follows: 

o  Sending  additional  special  response  teams  to  Los  Angeles  to  prepare  for  possible  civil  unrest. 

o  Supplying  additional  special  response  teams  to  Boise,  Idaho,  where  the  Randy  Weaver  and  Kevin 

Harris  trial  is  taking  place. 

o  The  purchase  of  new  radio  equipment  to  support  field  operations. 

o  The  purchjise  of  new  vehicles  ($1.2  million). 

o  The  purchase  of  more  than  $10,000  in  investigative  supplies. 

o  Most  second-half  training  courses. 

o  Several  national  conferences  and  meetings. 

COMPLIANCE  OPERATIONS  (CO)  ACTIVITV 

Our  Compliance  Operations  Activity  regulates  several  industries  which  market  products  that  are 
sensitive  in  nature  and  subject  to  continued  public  interest.  Our  policy  has  been  to  regulate  only  to  the 
extent  necessary  to  achieve  the  intent  of  law.  A  balance  is  sought  between  effective  administration  of 
statutory  requirements,  the  protection  of  the  public,  and  the  legitimate  needs  of  industries  under  ATFs 
jurisdiction. 

The  Bureau  is  extremely  selective  in  establishing  goals  to  assure  effective  resources  use.  Compliance 
Operations  (CO)  field  offices  continually  assess  and  report  on  the  levels  of  compliance  in  their 
geographical  jurisdictions.  Field  inspections  are  concentrated  in  those  areas  which  present  the  greatest 
risk  to  the  revenue  or  which  pose  the  greatest  threat  to  public  safely.  In  the  firearms  program,  CO 
field  supervisors  and  their  Law  Enforcement  counterparts  work  side  by  side  to  develop  and  evaluate 
methods  to  identify  those  dealers  involved  in  the  illegal  transfer  of  firearms,  or  those  dealers  whose 
improper  or  fraudulent  recordkeeping  impede  the  ability  of  ATF  to  successfully  trace  firearms 
recovered  from  crime  scenes. 

CO  FIREARMS  PROGRAM 

This  program  is  based  upon  the  Gun  Control  Act  of  1968  (as  amended).  Public  Law  99-308  of  1986, 
and  other  statutes.  Licenses  are  required  to  manufacture,  import,  and  sell  firearms.  The  intent  of  the 
statutes,  and  our  qualification  efforts,  is  to  prevent  statutorily  prohibited  persons  (e.^.,  convicted  felons) 
from  obtaining  licenses. 

Targeting  criminals  in  possession  of  firearms  is  a  very  important  aspect  of  our  program.  The 
Compliance  Operations  Activity  analyzes  trace  information  on  firearms  recovered  at  crime  scenes  and 
develops  profiles  which  target  various  criminal  elements  (i.e.,  gang  members,  "straw  man"  purchasers, 
illegal  traffickers,  possible  terrorists,  and  international  traffickers,  etc.).  Inspectors  uncover  purchasing 
patterns  of  those  weapons  commonly  used  as  crime  guns.  Field  supervisors  work  closely  with  the  Law 
Enforcement  Activity  counterparts  to  evaluate  areas  where  inspection  field  efforts  will  produce  the 
most  valuable  information  and  investigative  leads.    Inspectors  accompany  special  agents  on  the 
execution  of  search  warrants  to  assist  in  the  seizure  and  examination  of  firearms  records,  and  to 
investigate  licensees  who  criminally  misuse  their  licenses  {e.g.,  by  diverting  firearms  to  illegal  channels). 

Inspectors  support  Achilles  task  forces  and  other  special  enforcement  efforts,  such  as  the  High 
Intensity  Drug  Trafficking  Area  (HIDTA)  program.  During  FY  1992,  272  Achilles  firearms  inspections 
were  conducted  and  resulted  in  over  570  referrals  to  Law  Enforcement.  There  were  12,000  criminal 
background  checks  conducted  and  14  percent  of  these  resulted  in  "hits"  (firearms  purchasers  that  had 
criminal  records).  Compliance  Operations  conducted  2,604  HIDTA  inspections  in  southern  California, 
Arizona,  and  other  specified  areas  in  our  Southwest  Region.  The  results  included  49  referrals  to  Law 
Enforcement,  335  violations  cited  and  234  firearms  licenses  surrendered. 


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Inspectors  verify  records  and  inventories  to  maintain  trace  capability  and  examine  transaction  records 
to  identify  likely  violators  (sji-,  convicted  felons,  'straw  man"  purchasers,  gang  member^,  illegal 
traffickers,  etc.)- 

During  FY  1992,  20,023  inspections  were  conducted.  As  a  result,  licensees  were  cited  for  8,938  serious 
violations  and  4,753  referrals  were  made  to  law  enforcement  agencies.  Some  examples  of  these  field 
activities  include  the  following. 

Dallas.  Texas.  During  a  compliance  inspection  an  Inspector  documented  that  an  unlicensed  individual 
had  purchased  30  small  caliber  automatic  pistols,  and  the  following  day  would  be  taking  delivery  on  an 
additional  90  handguns.  The  Inspector  was  informed  that  the  individual  had  asked  about  purchasing  an 
additional  5,000  handguns.  This  information  was  referred  to  special  agents  who  put  the  individual 
under  surveillance  and  obtained  a  search  warrant  for  the  suspect's  home  and  car.  The  suspect  admitted 
the  firearms  were  being  smuggled  to  Mexico  and  the  case  is  now  pending  before  action  by  the  Assistant 
U.S.  attorney's  office. 

Chicago.  Illinois.  In  the  course  of.conducting  an  application  inspection  for  a  firearms  manufacturing 
license,  an  Inspector  discovered  that  the  female  applicant  was  very  unfamiliar  with  manufacturing 
firearms  and  her  husband  would  actually  be  managing  the  business.  Further  interviews  and  research  by 
the  Inspector  revealed  that  the  husband  had  a  felony  conviction  for  possessing  two  unregistered 
machine  guns  and  selling  an  unregistered  silencer  to  an  undercover  ATF  agent.  After  his  conviction, 
the  husband  served  time  in  Federal  prison.  Because  of  the  disclosure  of  this  information,  the  wife 
withdrew  her  application. 

Denver.  Colorado.   Referrals  from  a  compliance  inspection  at  a  Denver  firearms  dealer  have  resulted 
in  one  arrest  and  three  criminal  investigations.  The  individuals,  illegal  aliens  active  in  Denver  area  drug 
trafficking,  are  also  under  investigation  by  Immigration  and  Naturalization  Service. 

San  Francisco.  California.  An  Inspector  responding  to  an  anonymous  lip  from  a  concerned  citizen 
discovered  some  grave  discrepancies  in  the  records  of  a  licensed  firearms  dealer.  Because  of  the 
dealer's  potential  for  violence,  the  inspector  was  accompanied  by  special  agents.  The  examination  of 
the  records  discovered  that  the  dealer  was  using  the  names  of  decca.sed  individuals  to  complete  the 
required  records.   Revocation  proceedings  will  be  initiated  if  the  dealer  Is  not  prosecuted  criminally. 

Southwest  Border.  In  the  Southwest,  Operation  El  Tambicn  focu.scd  on  delecting  illegal  exports  of 
firearms  through  .sales  made  by  dealers.  Inspectors  and  special  agents  visited  about  215  licensees  and 
examined  their  records.  Fifty-three  individuals  were  identified  as  "straw  purchasing'  firearms  for 
transfer  to  Mexico.  Over  450  firearms  had  been  smuggled  into  Mexico  during  an  eight-month  period. 

Firearms  and  Explosives  Licensing  Center 

The  Firearms  and  Explosives  Licensing  Center  is  responsible  for  processing  firearms  license 
applications  and  maintaining  the  Bureau's  licensee  files.  At  the  end  of  FY  1992,  there  were 
284,117  firearms  licensees.  Compliance  Operations  offices  pr(Kc.s.scd  95,958  applications,  of  which 
37,085  were  first-time  applicants  and  58,873  were  renewals. 

National  Firearms  Act  (NFA) 

ATF  is  also  responsible  for  enforcing  the  registration  and  revenue  provisions  of  NFA,  a  statute 
regulating  machine  guns  and  certain  other  weapons.  The  register  is  maintained  to  make  it  difficult  for 
criminals  to  obtain  access  to  these  types  of  weapons.  The  NFA  Branch  handled  over 
170,000  applications  and  notices  relating  to  these  regulated  firearms  and  devices  during  FY  1992.  To 
provide  support  and  assistance  to  ATF  Compliance  Operations  personnel  and  special  agents,  NFA 
branch  personnel  conducted  1,255  certifications  for  criminal  cases  and  9,054  searches  of  the  NFA 
register.  The  NFA  rcgi.slration  files  were  automated  to  handle  information  on  hundreds  of  thousands 
of  NFA  firearms  and  to  respond  promptly  to  requests  for  information  from  law  enforcement. 

Firearms  and  Ammunition  Excise  Tax 

firearms  and  ammunition  exci.sc  lax  responsibilillcs  were  transferred  to  ATF  during  fiscal  year  1991. 
Revenues  of  $150  million  arc  anticipated  in  fiscal  1994.  Since  the  lax  compulation  is  more  complex  and 
Ihc  indu,stry  is  not  subject  to  the  same  degree  of  oversight  as  alcohol  and  tobacco,  underpayment  of 
taxes  and  other  compliance  problems  arc  more  frequent  wilh  these  taxpayers.   In  fiscal  1992  we 
inspected  17  percent  of  firearms  and  ammunition  excise  taxpayers  accounting  for  $16  million  in  taxes 
paid.   In  the  first  six  months  of  Ihc  current  fiscal  year,  ATF  identified  $2.3  million  in  additional  firearms 
and  ammunition  excise  lax  liabilities  and  conducted  field  examinations  of  returns  totaling  $31  million. 

As  in  other  programs,  the  Bureau  u.ses  seminars  and  similar  initiatives  as  a  means  of  improving 
understanding  of  and  compliance  with  Federal  laws.  ATF  expanded  the  outreach  program  beyond  the 
licensee  community  by  participating  at  gun  and  trade  shows.  The  Bureau  periodically  publishes  a 


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Federal  Firearms  Licensee  (FFL)  Newsletter  and  in  FY  1992,  provided  113  nrearms  seminars  to 
firearms  licensees.  State  officials  are  actively  involved  with  ATF  in  conducting  seminars.  These 
seminars  seek  to  inform  licensees  on  a  broad  range  of  topics  including  recordkeeping,  prohibited  sales, 
and  the  licensee's  role  in  tracing  crime  weapons. 

CO  ALCOHOL  PROGRAM 

This  program  ensures  the  collection  of  $8  billion  in  excise  taxes  on  alcoholic  beverages;  provides 
prompt  deposit  and  accurate  accounting  for  excise  tax  receipts;  prevents  entry  into  the  industry  by 
criminals  and  persons  who  pose  a  risk  to  the  tax  through  its  qualification  procedures;  protects  public 
safety  by  investigating  deceptive  or  misrepresented  alcoholic  beverage  products;  and,  suppresses 
commercial  bribery  and  other  unlawful  practices  in  the  marketplace. 

Qualification 

ATF  is  responsible  for  protecting  the  alcoholic  beverage  industry  from  criminals  and  those  persons  who 
are  likely  to  commit  tax  fraud,  commercial  bribery,  or  launder  money  from  drug  trafficking  or  other 
illicit  activities.  This  is  accomplished  in  two  ways: 

1.  Through  financial  and  criminal  background  investigations,  ATF  ensures  that  permits  are  not  issued 
to  convicted  felons  or  persons  whose  business  experience  or  associations  indicate  a  propensity  toward 
fraud  or  illegal  activities. 

2.  ATF  ensures  that  entities  already  qualified  and  possessing  permits  remain  in  compliance  by 
conducting  selective  investigations  to  determine  that  no  hidden  ownership,  unreported  changes  in 
control  or  ownership,  or  illegal  funding  is  present. 

Tax  Compliance 

Historically,  ATF  has  encouraged  the  alcohol  industry  to  pay  the  proper  amount  of  excise  taxes  through 
a  strong  revenue  examination  program.  Recent  legislation  increased  the  level  of  effort  needed  to 
ensure  tax  compliance.  Tax  compliance  is  achieved  by  focusing  on  production  facilities  that  pose  the 
greatest  risk  to  revenue  based  on  the  volume  of  operations,  past  history  of  violations,  poor  internal 
controls,  or  questionable  financial  condition.  Compliance  Operations  conducts  office  audits  of  the  tax 
returns  and  conducts  field  inspections  at  production  facilities  to  ensure  that  these  taxes  are  paid  timely, 
and  in  full.  During  FY  1992,  ATF  collected  $8.0  billion  in  alcohol  excise  tax.  Field  inspections  covered 
57  percent  of  revenue  producing  plants  with  tax  payments  of  more  than  $25,000  per  year.  The  dollar 
value  of  returns  audited  during  these  inspections  was  $3.7  billion.  During  this  same  period,  tax  liability 
on  inventories  held  by  permittees  exceeded  $27  billion. 

ATF  continues  to  upgrade  the  skills  of  its  tax  specialists  and  other  employees  by  providing  them  with 
modern  equipment  and  advanced  training.  Phase  1  of  the  Integrated  Collection  System  (ICS)  was 
successfully  implemented.  This  data  base  will  track  all  excise  and  special  taxpayer  accounts. 
Employees  will  be  trained  in  recently  revised  procedures  and  processing  techniques.  An  improved 
taxpayer  assistance  program  is  being  developed. 

ATF  collected  over  $117.4  million  in  special  occupational  tax,  (SOT),  from  over  400,000  manufacturers, 
wholesalers  and  retail  dealers  during  FY  1992.  Cross  checks  between  the  floor  slocks  tax  and  special 
tax  databases  were  conducted  to  test  the  level  of  compliance  by  wholesalers  and  identify  delinquencies. 
Collection  actions  were  then  initialed  on  approximately  20,000  liquor  dealers  who  were  identified  from 
Hoor  stocks  tax  returns  as  not  having  paid  special  tax.  Significant  floor  stocks  tax  and  special 
occupational  tax  delinquencies  include  the  following: 

$350.000  Tax  Increase  From  Major  Breweries.  The  disclosure  of  infialcd  tax  credits  at  one  brewery 
disclosed  infiated  credits  for  returned  beer  at  breweries  across  the  country.  Brewers  were  taking  credit 
for  beer  returned  to  their  premises  after  January  1,  1991  at  the  new  excise  rate,  even  though  the  beer 
had  been  tax  paid  at  the  lower  rate,  resulting  in  the  brewers  receiving  twice  the  credit  they  were  entitled 
to. 

Fort  Wayne.  Indiana.  Inspectors  discovered  that  a  retail  liquor  dealer  was  making  unlawful  sales  of 
wine  at  wine  tastings.  Special  (occupational)  tax  was  incurred  at  each  tasting  where  the  wine  was  sold 
or  offered  for  sale.  The  company  submitted  a  $30,000  offer  to  compromise  the  lax,  penalties  and 
interest. 

During  FY  1992,  the  Bureau  accepted  30  offers-in-compromisc,  amounting  to  $439,859  for 
revenue-related  violations.  Inspections  disclosed  over  1,100  violations,  numerous  referrals  to  other 
agencies,  and  in  excess  of  $2.4  million  in  increasing  lax  adjustments.  Inspection  examples  include: 


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Kansas  Citv.  Missouri.  During  a  recent  lax  compliance  inspection,  ATF  inspectors  discovered  that  a 
permittee  had  failed  to  timely  deposit  excise  taxes.  ATF  collected  $40,000  for  penalties  and  interest 
incurred  from  the  late  payment. 

Fresno.  California.   During  a  tax  compliance  inspection  at  a  California  winery,  an  inspector  discovered 
a  recording  error  vk'hich  resulted  in  an  underpayment  of  excise  tax  of  over  $1  million.  Forty  thousand 
dollars  in  interest  was  collected.  Also  discovered  was  a  transposition  error  resulting  in  an 
underpayment  of  $30,000. 

Frankfort.  Kentucky.  ATF  inspectors  recently  discovered  violations  regarding  proof  determination  and 
high  solids  content  products  at  a  distilled  spirits  plant.  This  case  was  settled  when  the  permittee 
submitted  $35,000  to  compromise  the  violations  found. 

In  support  of  examinations  conducted  at  the  premises  of  revenue  producing  plants,  specialists  in 
regional  offices  review  lax  returns  and  other  documents  submitted  by  revenue  producers.  These  office 
reviews  are  an  important  part  of  ensuring  that  excise  taxes  are  collected  and  that  proper  payments  of 
claims  are  made. 

Training,  such  as  Advanced  Examination  Techniques,  is  being  given  to  field  employees  so  that  they  are 
better  able  to  detect  tax  payment  deficiencies.  To  support  field  operations,  profes-sional  ATF  auditors 
are  called  on  to  assist  with  the  most  complex  and  sophisticated  records  of  taxpayers,  and  also  serve  as  a 
technical  resource  for  other  segments  of  the  Bureau. 

Alcohol  Product  Integrity 

Over  the  years,  the  Bureau  has  uncovered  and  taken  corrective  action  on  a  number  of  imported 
products  contaminated  with  hazardous  ingredients.   In  1985,  Foreign  wines  were  found  to  contain  the 
ha7.ardous  substance  diethylcnc  glycol  (DEG).   Imported  brandies  were  found  to  be  contaminated  with 
methanol.  Contamination  with  fungicides  and  pesticides  is  a  current  ongoing  concern. 

ATF  began  testing  various  alcoholic  beverages  for  lead  when  lead  adulteration  in  wine  was  identified  as 
a  potential  problem.  Over  600  products  were  analyzed  and  the  results  were  shared  wilh  the  Food  and 
Drug  Administration  (FDA).  After  further  testing  by  both  ATF  and  FDA,  as  well  as  a  request  by  ATF 
for  a  health  ha7.ard  evaluation,  FDA  set  a  temporary  level  for  lead  in  wine  at  300  parts  per  billion 
(ppb).  In  July  1991,  ATF  released  a  2-year  study  which  had  been  conducted  as  part  of  our  market 
basket  sampling  program.  Among  samples  testing  in  excess  of  the  FDA's  .300  ppb  level,  the  study 
revealed  that  decanted  wine  samples  tested  higher  in  lead.  Significant  lead  contamination  can  result 
from  contact  with  corrosion  products  of  the  lead  capsule.  Such  corrosion  is  easily  dissolved  in  wine  or 
pouring  from  bottle  lo  serving  container.  In  a  related  issue,  use  of  lead  crystal  decanters  was  found  lo 
contribute  to  high  lead  content.  This  resulted  in  manufacturers  changing  ihcir  methods  to  reduce  the 
risk  of  lead  contamination.  ATF  continues  lo  test  representative  samples  of  domestic  and  imported 
table  wines  for  analysis  lo  determine  lead  content.   During  FY  1992,  a  random  statistical  sampling  of 
approved  label  certificates  resulted  in  the  selection  of  183  imported  products  and  612  domestic 
products  to  be  sampled  for  lead  content    In  addition,  ATF  commenced  a  random  sampling  for  lead 
content  of  table  wines  produced  by  the  lop  10  pnxluccrs  in  the  U.S.  As  of  October  1992,  735  samples 
had  been  analyzed.  The  following  are  some  examples  of  our  lead  adulteration  sampling  project: 

An  imported  wine  was  confirmed  lo  have  over  300  ppb  of  lead.  The  importer  and  the  wholesaler  were 
notified  and  they  agreed  lo  voluntarily  detain  the  product  until  confirmation  analyses  were  completed. 
The  wholesaler  ultimately  destroyed  the  product. 

A  domestically  produced  wine  consistently  tested  over  .3(K)  ppb  of  lead.   Field  investigation  revealed  the 
source  of  the  lead  was  the  concrete  storage  tank  in  which  the  wine  was  produced.  The  proprietor 
initialed  a  voluntary  recall  of  the  product  from  the  retail  market  and  has  provided  ATF  with  their  recall 
strategy. 

Of  the  735  .samples,  an  initial  analysis  disclosed  nine  imported  pr(xJucts  and  nine  domestic  products 
tested  over  .3(X)  ppb.  As  these  results  are  analyzed  and  confirmed,  appropriate  action,  such  as  removal 
from  the  marketplace,  will  be  initiated. 

The  Bureau  also  tests  for  fungicides  and  pesticide  contaminants.   During  FY  1992,  ATF  learned  that 
some  Italian  wines  had  been  adulterated  wilh  the  pesticide  methyl  isolhiocyanate,  (MITC),  a  soil 
fumiganl.  ATF  immediately  began  testing  of  the  suspect  brands  while  simultaneously  requesting  a 
voluntary  detention  of  these  products  by  the  importers.  Upon  Ihc  receipt  of  a  Health  Hazard 
Evaluation  for  the  Food  and  Drug  Administration,  ATF  formally  detained  the  inventory  at  the 
importer's  prcmi.scs  and  obtained  additional  samples.  The  analysis  of  these  samples  resulted  in  the 
recall  of  the  affected  products,  and  these  adulterated  products  were  either  destroyed  or  re-exported. 


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Certificates  of  Label  Approval  (COLA)  are  required  before  alcoholic  beverages  may  be  bottled  or,  in 
the  case  of  foreign  products,  imported.  In  FY  1992,  the  Bureau  processed  63,438  applications  for  label 
approval.  Each  application  is  reviewed  for  compliance  with  regulatory  provisions  designed  to  prevent 
consumer  deception  and  protect  public  safety.  For  example,  the  sulfite  warning.  Government  health 
warning,  varietal  and  vintage  labeling  on  wine,  and  proper  disclosure  of  alcohol  content  are  reviewed. 
There  are  currently  1.3  million  approved  labels  on  file. 

Label  approval  is  also  an  important  aspect  in  our  program  to  ensure  that  hazardous  and/or  deceptive 
products  do  not  enter  the  market  and  that  taxes  are  paid  at  the  proper  rate.  With  a  shrinking  market, 
incentives  for  label  fraud  and  tax  evasion  schemes  are  increasing. 

In  the  last  few  years,  there  have  been  widespread  attempts  at  label  and  tjut  fraud.  In  some  instances, 
importers  have  been  found  to  use  fraudulent  labels  to  bring  products  into  the  U.S.  and  to  understate 
the  tax  class  of  beverage  alcohol  products.  Some  fraudulent  labels  are  totally  fabricated,  including 
forgery  of  the  Director's  signature  on  the  certificate  of  label  approval.  These  activities  result  in  evasion 
of  excise  taxes,  deception  of  the  public,  and  have  the  potential  to  eliminate  or  bankrupt  competitors. 

Sacramento.  California.  In  a  wine  fraud  scheme  investigated  over  the  past  two  years  by  ATF,  grape 
growers  misrepresented  cheaper  grapes  as  more  expensive  varietal  grapes  which  were  in  high  demand. 
Many  wineries  involved  in  the  scheme  were  unaware  of  the  grape  growers'  illegal  actions;  but  we  found 
some  wineries  who  knowingly  used  the  cheaper,  non-varietal  grape  in  producing  expensive  varietal 
products.  The  public  was  deceived  by  these  actions  when  it  purchased  expensive  wine  labeled  as  being 
produced  from  an  expensive  varietal,  when  in  fact  the  winery  fraudulently  used  cheaper  grapes.  In  this 
California  case,  five  persons  were  convicted  with  sentences  ranging  from  3  years  probation  to 
51  months  in  prison.  Four  winery  officials  entered  into  a  plea  agreement  with  the  U.  S.  Attorney  in 
which  they  pled  guilty.  In  addition,  under  the  terms  of  the  agreement,  the  winery  will  pay  a  $1  million 
fine. 

Through  field  inspections  and  product  sampling,  ATF  also  established  a  successful  warning  label 
enforcement  program.  The  Bureau  has  forced  corrective  action  in  numerous  cases  where  the 
mandatory  health  warning  statement  was  neither  prominent  nor  legible,  defeating  the  intent  of  the 
requirement. 

Due  to  changing  viticultural  practices,  industry  materials  costs  and  market  conditions,  potential 
contaminants  and  fraud  opportunities  can  change  over  time.  Accordingly,  the  Bureau  continually 
adjusts  targeting  of  trouble  spots,  selection  criteria,  and  analytical  techniques. 

During  FY  1992,  there  were  a  total  of  65  labeling  cases  initiated  and  a  total  of  21  label  fraud  cases  were 
closed.  A  total  of  92  days  in  suspensions  were  served  by  permittees,  and  a  total  of  $165,000  in 
offers-in-compromise  was  collected  as  settlement  of  violations. 

We  continue  to  find  significant  instances  of  label  problems  by  which  the  public  is  deceived  about  the 
contents  of  alcoholic  beverages.  The  following  are  some  results  of  our  label  fraud  program. 

$60.000  QIC  accepted:  An  importer  falsified  12  label  certificates  to  effect  the  importation  of 

2,600  cases  of  wine,  and  two  terminated  label  certificates  were  used  to  import  wine. 

$30.000  QIC  accepted  and  15  day  suspension  served:  An  importer  imported  264  cases  of  distilled 

spirits  without  an  approved  label  certificate,  489  cases  of  mislabeled  distilled  spirits  to  evade  taxes,  and 

smuggled  into  the  U.S.  16  cases  of  distilled  spirits. 

$25.000  QIC  accepted:  An  importer  altered  previously  approved  label  certificates  to  effect  the 
importation  of  18,000  cases  of  distilled  spirits  and  wine.  The  majority  of  these  products  were  seized  by 
U.S.  Customs  Service 

Hartford.  Connecticut.  A  Connecticut  winery  faces  a  maximum  fine  of  $500,000  for  presenting  a  total 
of  83  false  label  approval  forms  to  Customs  during  a  two-year  period. 

21  dav  suspension  served:  An  importer  imported  1,632  cases  of  distilled  spirits  after  the  approved  label 
certificate  had  expired,  submitted  a  false  invoice  identifying  the  goods  as  wine  rather  than  distilled 
spirits,  removed  816  cases  of  product  that  had  no  label  certificate,  and  failed  to  pay  Special 
Occupational  Tax. 

Open  Investigation.  A  possible  French  champagne  fraud  is  under  investigation.  French  authorities 
have  confirmed  that  the  product  in  question  is  not  produced  in  the  Champagne  region  of  France  and 
that  the  certificate  of  origin  that  was  provided  to  an  ATF  inspector  is  fraudulent.  We  have  detained  the 
suspect  product  pending  further  investigation. 


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Market  Integrilv 

To  enforce  commercial  bribery  provisions  of  the  Federal  Alcohol  Administration  (FAA)  Act,  ATF 
aggressively  investigates  allegations  of  significant  violations.  Bureau  efforts  concentrate  on  those 
industry  members  engaged  in  commercial  bribery  and  intimidation  tactics  or  inducements  designed  to 
restrain  free  trade.  The  less  complex,  intrastate  violations  are  left  for  State  agencies  to  resolve. 
Inspectors  continue  to  conduct  informational  seminars  addressing  areas  of  current  concern  to  industry 
members.  The  goal  has  been  to  increase  cooperation  between  ATF  and  State  agencies  and  the  level  of 
industry  compliance.  The  seminars  held  last  year  were  very  well  received  by  both  industry  and  State 
agencies. 

Enforcement  of  the  advertising  provisions  of  the  FAA  Act  moved  to  the  forefront  in  FT  1992.  In 
response  to  public  complaints  (there  is  no  mandatory  pre-clearance  process),  advertising  matter  on  a 
number  of  competing  products  were  reworked  or  withdrawn.  One  example  of  this  was  St.  Ides 
Mall  Liquor.  It  was  promoted  nationwide  in  a  radio  and  television  campaign  featuring  'rap'  celebrities 
touting  the  strength  of  the  product.  The  Bureau  stopped  this  campaign  and  accepted  an 
offer-in-compromise  of  $15,000  along  with  a  stipulated  three-day  suspension  of  the  permit  to  settle  the 
advertising  violations. 

During  FY  1992,  we  accepted  a  total  of  14  offers-in-compromise  (13  for  trade  practice  violations,  1  for 
advertising  violations),  totaling  $176,500.  We  also  imposed  two  suspensions  for  three  days  each  (one 
for  trade  practice  violations,  one  for  advertising  violations). 

Compliance  Operations  International  Activities 

Because  of  ATPs  expertise  in  the  Held  of  domestic  and  foreign  law  as  it  applies  to  beverage  alcohol 
products,  ATF  is  increasingly  being  requested  to  support  U.S.  Government  efforts  to  minimize  or 
eliminate  international  barriers  impeding  U.S.  export  trade  in  wine,  distilled  spirits  and  malt  beverages. 
For  example,  ATF  is  continuing  to  play  a  major  role  arising  from  the  September  1988  United  States 
European  Economic  Community  technical  consultations  on  beverage  alcohol  products.  ATFs 
participation  also  aids  in  the  handling  of  contaminated  imported  products.  ATF  representatives 
attended  international  wine  meetings  held  in  France  and  Spain  to  further  the  acceptance  of  U.S.  wine 
products  in  foreign  markets.  In  FY  1993,  the  U.S.  will  host  the  General  A.sscmbly  of  the  International 
Office  of  Vine  and  Wine  (OIV).  ATF  is  part  of  the  organizing  committee  for  this  international 
meeting  of  wine  industry  members. 

ATF  continues  to  provide  substantial  technical  data  to  the  U.S.  Trade  Representative  Office  with 
respect  to  the  Wine  Equity  and  Export  Expan.sion  Act  of  1984.  To  date,  this  data  has  made  a 
significant  contribution  toward  facilitating  wine  export  trade  to  Japan,  Canada,  Taiwan,  South  Korea, 
and  the  Caribbean  area. 

Working  with  Treasury,  the  Stale  Department  and  the  US  Trade  Rcprcscnialivc,  ATF  has  accelerated 
a  positive  response  to  the  changes  in  the  political  map  of  Eastern  Europe.  Import  companies  had 
advised  that  at  one  point  there  was  over  $250  million  in  vodka  shipments  held  up  by  the  dissolution  of 
the  Soviet  Union  and  the  lack  of  established  priKcdures  to  cover  importations  from  the  newly 
established  countries.  ATF  facilitated  the  shipment  of  this  product  by  granting  an  exemption  from  the 
requirement  for  a  certificate  of  origin  and  allowing  the  product  to  be  bottled  in  the  U.S.  and  labeled  as 
Russian  vodka  until  December,  1992. 


CO  TOBACCO  PROGRAM 

In  FY  1992  tobacco  excise  tax  collections  exceeded  $5.1  billion.  FY  1993  excise  tax  collections  arc 
projected  to  increase  to  over  $5.8  billion  due  to  a  tax  increase  effective  January  1,  1993,  and  the 
accompanying  floor  stocks  taxes.  In  FY  1992  inspections  were  conducted  of  S)  percent  of  tobacco 
products  factories  with  over  $25,000  in  lax  payments.  Value  of  the  returns  included  in  the  scope  of 
these  inspections  was  $3.3  billion. 

The  Hoor  stocks  tax,  due  June  30,  1993,  should  generate  $150  million  in  revenue.  The  tobacco  program 
is  similar  to  the  qualification  and  lax  compliance  aspects  of  our  alcohol  program.  Applicants  for 
permits  are  .screened  and  qualification  inspections  arc  conducted  to  keep  out  those  likely  to  commit  tax 
fraud  or  to  launder  money  obtained  from  illicit  sources  such  as  drug  trafficking.  Recent  market  and 
legislative  changes  are  altering  the  once  stable  environment  surrounding  the  industry.  With  declining 
consumption  and  incrca.sed  tax  rates,  field  inspections  and  office  review  of  tax  returns  and  other 
documents  arc  essential  to  ensure  that  taxes  are  timely  and  accurate. 


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The  Bureau  is  developing  new  inspection  procedures  and  techniques  to  address  the  increased  risk  of 
diversion  of  export  cigarettes  to  the  domestic  market.  Enhanced  guidelines  for  inspecting  export 
warehouses  were  developed  as  a  result  of  a  recent  smuggling  investigation  conducted  jointly  with  Texas 
authorities. 


CO  EXPLOSIVES  PROGRAM 

ATFs  explosives  program  ensures  that  licenses  and  permits  are  issued  only  to  eligible  persons,  that 
records  are  maintained  in  order  to  permit  traces  of  explosives  used  illegally,  and  that  explosive 
materials  are  stored  safely  and  securely. 

Licensing  Center  personnel  review  all  applications  for  accuracy  and  initiate  criminal  records  checks  to 
prevent  convicted  felons  and  other  prohibited  persons  from  receiving  a  license  or  permit.  During 
FY  1992, 4,443  applications  were  received  and  processed.  Inspectors  examine  explosives  storage 
facilities  before  license  or  permit  issuance  to  ensure  that  the  facilities  meet  Federal  standards  for 
magazine  construction  and  separation  distance  (from  occupied  buildings,  highways,  etc.).  Enforcement 
of  these  requirements  protects  public  safety. 

After  a  person  is  issued  an  explosives  license  or  permit,  ATF  inspectors  conduct  periodic  compliance 
inspections.  During  FY  1992,  a  total  of  4,356  inspections  were  conducted  which  disclosed 
1,793  violations  and  resulted  in  96  referrals  to  law  enforcement  agencies.  These  inspections  ensure  that 
the  storage  facilities  continue  to  meet  ATF  safety  and  anti-theft  requirements,  and  that  sufficient 
records  are  maintained  to  enable  law  enforcement  officers  to  trace  the  movement  of  explosives. 

Wichita.  Kansas.  An  explosives  compliance  inspection  at  an  importer,  dealer  and  user  of  special 
fireworks  disclosed  dangerous  storage  related  violations.  The  licensee  was  storing  over  21,000  pounds 
of  explosives  only  120  feet  from  an  inhabited  building.  This  exceeded  the  maximum  number  of  pounds 
by  19,000  feet.  Other  violations  disclosed  explosives  being  stored  too  close  to  public  highways.  This 
dealer  has  a  very  poor  compliance  history  and  revocation  is  contemplated. 

Oklahoma  City.  Oklahoma.  Inspectors  joined  special  agents  in  conducting  a  search  warrant  on  a 
special  fireworks  dealer.  The  dealer  had  long  been  suspected  of  selling  various  illegal  fireworks,  and 
had  been  identified  as  the  source  of  a  five-inch  firecracker  which  blew  off  the  right  hand,  and  several 
fingers  of  the  left  hand  of  an  Oklahoma  City  man.  The  dealer  is  cooperating  with  ATF  and  has 
identified  other  sources  of  illegal  fireworks. 

Compliance  Operations  auditors  assist  Law  Enforcement  agents  in  arson  investigations.  The  financial 
auditing  expertise  of  this  highly  trained  cadre  is  a  valuable  asset,  with  the  financial  evidence  often  a  key 
to  obtaining  a  conviction.  Auditors  assisted  in  245  arson-for-profit  investigations  during  FY  1992. 
Examples  of  explosives  inspections  and  arson  investigation  assistance  include: 

Mvrtle  Beach.  South  Carolina.  An  auditor  performed  a  financial  analysis  of  a  $1.7  million  arson  fire  at 
the  residence  and  business  location  of  an  individual.  This  individual  and  four  other  defendants, 
including  Hell's  Angels  paid  to  set  the  fire,  were  each  found  guilty  on  twelve  counts  of  arson,  mail  fraud 
and  conspiracy. 

Kansas  Citv.  Missouri.  A  financial  analysis  performed  by  an  auditor  established  the  money  laundering 
aspects  of  a  drug  trafficking  case.  The  defendant  pled  guilty  to  the  drug  trafficking  charges  and  faces 
10  to  IS  years  in  prison  without  the  possibility  of  parole. 

St.  Paul.  Minnesota.  A  cache  of  explosives;  six  pipe  bombs,  one  destructive  device,  and  one  can  of 
black  powder,  were  found  while  questioning  an  individual  who  had  pawned  an  illegal  fully  automatic 
Mac-11.  The  individual  stated  he  had  made  the  pipe  bombs  to  blow  up  his  girlfriend.  An  inspector 
found  the  illegal  firearm  during  a  compliance  inspection  and  a  referral  to  law  enforcement  led  to  the 
discovery  of  the  explosives. 


LEGISLATIVE  CHANGES 

Public  Law  102-393,  effective  October  6,  1992,  prohibits  ATFs  expenditure  of  FY  1993  funds  to 
investigate  applicants  who  are  seeking  restoration  of  Federal  firearms  privileges.  Pending  application 
investigations  have  been  discontinued,  and  the  affected  individuals  have  been  notified  and  advised  of 
the  provisions  of  this  law. 

The  Omnibus  Budget  Reconciliation  Act  of  1990  (P.L.  101-508)  increased  excise  taxes  on  distilled 
spirits,  beer,  wine,  and  tobacco  on  January  1,  1991  and  again  on  tobacco  on  January  1,  1993.  Floor 
stocks  taxes  were  mandated  on  all  commodities  on  January  1,  1991,  and  again  on  tobacco  on 
January  3,  1993.  With  no  additional  resources,  ATF  administered  a  very  successful  fioor  stocks  tax 
collection  program  for  the  taxes  due  on  June  30,  1991.  ATF  will  mount  a  similar  effort  to  collect  the 


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floor  stock  taxes  on  tobacco  which  will  be  due  June  30, 1993.  ATF  projects  collection  of  this  tobacco 
floor  stocks  tax  to  be  $150  million.  This  estimate  is  based  on  collections  for  the  first  phase  of  the  floor 
stocks  tax.  Total  tobacco  excise  lax  is  expected  to  be  $5.8  billion  in  FY  1993. 

Underpayments  and  errors  are  more  common  with  floor  stocks  than  with  normal  excise  tax  collections. 
Common  problems  are  misstatement  of  inventories  and  failure  to  file  until  and  unless  inspected,  which 
go  with  floor  slocks  being  one-time  taxes  that  require  filings  by  thousands  of  businesses  that  do  not 
normsdly  file  excise  tax  returns.  In  addition,  we  are  finding  many  instEuices  of  permittees  and 
distributors  moving  aggressively  to  avoid  the  tax,  often  by  shifting  a  large  burden  downstream  to 
unwritting  retailers  who  are  much  less  likely  to  pay.  In  the  first  six  months  of  the  current  fiscal  year  we 
identified  over  $400,000  in  additional  floor  stocks  taxes  due. 

New  Financial  Administrative  Accounting 
and  Revenue  Collection  System 

The  Bureau  is  in  the  process  of  installing  a  new  financial  system  to  integrate  all  aspects  of  tax 
collection.  The  financial  system  is  expected  to  be  completed  in  FY  1993,  and  will  bring  revenue 
collections  and  accounting  systems  into  line  with  the  Joint  Financial  Management  Improvement  Project 
(JFMIP)  "core  requirements".  The  second  phase  of  the  tax  collection  system  is  expected  to  be 
completed  in  FY  1996  and  will  provide  a  greatly  enhanced  ability  to  monitor  the  performance  of 
taxpayers  and  target  those  accounts  where  additional  revenues  might  be  owed. 

The  Bureau's  Integrated  Collections  System  and  Fmancial  Management  Information  System  are 
modernizing  our  revenue  collection  and  financial  management  activities.  During  FY  1993,  ATF  will 
take  the  initial  steps  required  to  develop  a  software  application  that  will  lead  to  an  integrated  revenue 
collection  system.  In  addition,  beginning  in  F^  1994,  the  Bureau's  administrative  accounting  functions 
will  operate  using  the  new  financial  system.  These  improvements  in  revenue  collection  and  financial 
management  will  assist  the  Bureau  in  complying  with  the  guidelines  outlined  in  the  Chief  Financial 
Officer  Act. 


CONCLUSION 

Mr.  Chairman,  that  concludes  my  formal  remarks  to  the  Subcommittee.  We  appreciate  and  value  the 
Subcommittee's  interest  in  assuring  the  integrity  and  quality  of  our  administration  of  the  tax  laws.  I  will 
be  happy,  as  will  my  associates,  to  answer  at  this  time  any  questions  you  may  have. 


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Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  we  thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Higgins, 
for  your  statement,  and  your  entire  statement  will  be  included  in 
the  record. 

I  want  to  remind  the  committee  that  we  are  going  to  limit  the 
members  to  the  5-minute  rule,  and  then  we  will  come  back  for  a 
second  run  if  we  have  the  time  to  be  allotted. 

I  am  not  going  to  go  into  the  full  jurisdiction  of  this  committee, 
but  before  you  start  the  clock,  we  are  charged  with  overviewing  the 
ATF  programs,  and  by  virtue  of  the  Revenue  Code  of  the  United 
States  we  have  an  ongoing  authorization  of  jurisdiction  over  your 
agency.  We  are  trying  to  find  out  what  are  your  needs  and  how  can 
we  help,  and  we  naturally  will  have  some  questions  now. 

Just  as  preliminary  background,  as  I  understand  it,  you  said  that 
the  World  Trade  debacle  cost  you  around  $600,000. 

Mr.  Higgins.  Yes. 

Chairman  Pickle.  What  was  the  cost  of  Waco  at  this  point? 

Mr.  Higgins.  We  have  some  figures  on  that.  I  have  not  entirely 
totaled  them  because  they  keep  changing.  We  are  finding  that  we 
have  bills  that  we  did  not  anticipate,  tort  claims  and  other  obliga- 
tions to  settle.  We  will  be  reviewing  the  entire  cost  of  that  oper- 
ation when  we  do  the  overall  review.  And  so  we  will  furnish  it  to 
you  at  that  time,  if  we  could. 

Chairman  Pickle.  And  your  current  budget  is  some  $350  million. 
If  those  two  incidents  have  cost  your  agency  $5,  $10  million  or 
more,  whatever  it  is,  that  will  have  a  direct  bearing  on  your  1994 
budget,  since  you  would  have  to  decrease  other  activities  this  year, 
too. 

We  want  to  know  what  those  costs  are  as  we  weigh  what  our  rec- 
ommendation will  be  with  respect  to  your  budget  for  1994. 

Mr.  Higgins.  I  will  furnish  them  as  quickly  as  I  can. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  All  right,  sir.  Now  let  me  go  to  two  or  three 
questions  now. 

I  said  earlier,  Mr.  Higgins,  that  the  most  disturbing  aspect  to  me 
is  that  it  has  taken  so  long  for  us  to  get  action  on  this  particular 
gproup  in  the  Branch  Davidian  operation  in  Waco.  I  pointed  out  that 
when  this  builds  up  and  goes  on  and  on,  and  we  know  they  are  vio- 
lating the  firearms  laws  and  are  evading  the  tax  laws,  inevitably 
that  is  going  to  result  in  death  and  destruction. 

Now  my  first  question  to  you  would  be:  How  and  when  did  the 
ATF  become  aware  of  the  activities  that  were  taking  place  in  that 
complex? 

Mr.  Higgins.  We  became  aware  of  those  activities  for  the  first 
time  in  June  of  1992. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  In  June  of  1992.  Now  why  did  it 
take  you  so  long,  then,  fi-om  June  until,  in  fact,  April,  9  months  or 
more,  before  you  moved  in? 

Mr.  Higgins.  You  perceive  that  as  being  a  long  time.  Actually, 
the  information  in  June  of  1992  was  simply  raw  information  with 
respect  to  potential  violations. 

We  undertook  at  that  point  to  open  an  investigation  and,  if  war- 
ranted, develop  documentation  which  would  establish  probable 
cause.  When  we  felt  we  could  do  that  and  try  to  serve  the  warrant 
peacefully  and  successfully,  it  was  the  end  of  February.  So  there 


48 

was  a  period  of  time.  But  in  the  intervening  period,  as  even  the  af- 
fidavit you  have  will  indicate,  we  were  actively  investigating  that. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Mr.  Higgins,  the  affidavit  you  filed 
with  the  court  is  now  open  for  anybody  to  examine  and  read.  It 
clearly  to  me  shows  that  you  knew  exactly  what  was  going  on  in 
that  compound.  You'  knew  it  for  months  and  months.  And  they 
knew  what  you  were  doing,  and  you  knew  what  they  were  doing. 
Yet  there  was  some  hesitancy  about  moving  in. 

[The  affidavit  referred  to  follows:] 


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WESTERN 


UNITED  STATES  OF  AMERICA 
V. 


.  DISTRICT  OF . 


RITA   FAYE  RIDDLE 


To:  The  UnltM  Statai  Marshal 

ana  any  Autnortzaa  Unitao  Siatea  Olflcar 


YOU  ARE  HEREBY  COMMANDED  to  arrest 


WARRANT  FOR  ARREST 

CASE  NUMBER:    1095'^?/^ 
RITA  FAYE  RIDDLE 


and  bring  him  or  h«r  forthwith  to  the  near»$t  magistrate  to  answer  8(n) 

□  loaiclment     Z.  ln(orm»tk>nx)Q  Complaint     C  Order  o»  court     C  Violation  Notice     D  Prooeilon  Violation  Petition 

charping  him  or  her  with  «»  mwwo^  »  xi^tMi 
conspiracy  to  mtirder   fadaral   agents 


in  violation  of  Tllla  . 


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DENNIS  G.  GREEN 


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lOnalufiol  Itluing  O'llCer 


Ball  fixad  at  S 


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United  States  Magistrate-Judga 

Tttl*  ol  luuing  OMIcer 

April  18,  1993   Waco,  Texas 

Dele  eno  Local  ion 


-^JS^  r^         .^(^^^  ^y^.^^^ 


sane  oi  Judicial  Ollic«r 


This  warrant  was  recaivao  ana  executeO  with  tha  arraat  ol  tha  above^amed  ctetendant 


..  .^M  ^^/^"" 


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APR  1  9 1993 

CLEKK.   U.  L,.  DIST.  COL 

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MmtBh  ^tat£2  Btstrtct  (Souit 

WESTERN  ^  TEXAS 


UNITED  STATES  OF  AMERICA  56?fZ,£I^ 

RZTA  FAYS  RZDDLS  CRIMINAL  COMPLAINT 


CASENUMBEfi:         iJ^^-^lP^ 


I.  the  unaersignad  complainant  being  duly  sworn  stat*  th«  following  Is  tru*  and  correct  to  tha  bast  of  my 
FabruKry  1993  MeLanaaa 

knowieage  ana  belief.  On  or  about ^^_^_^  In county,  In  the 

Western  Texas 

District  of dafandant(s)  dld,iT>K>iiti.i>..i».ovw«>ioii..w. 

SEE  ATTXCHKEKT. 


In  violation  of  Title United  States  Code.  Sectlonia)   . 

SPECIAL  AGENT,    AT7 
I  further  state  that  I  am  am) and  that  thia  complaint  la  based  on  the  following 

omnaniit 

facts: 

SEE   ATTACHED  ATTIOAVIT 


Continued  on  the  attached  sheet  and  made  a  pan  hereof:       {^  Yee        D  No 


A.?.f^/]'^^A, 


^MftC'tt^soKnar;  special  ageht,  att 

Sworn  to  before  me  and  subscribed  In  my  presenoa, 

APRII.   IS,    1993  WACO,    TEXAS 


0(tt  city  »na  Slaw 

U.S.  Magistrate 


city  wia  Slaw  ^^      ^__^-^ 


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XTTXcsMxrr 

Froa  on  or  about  February,  1993,  and  continuing  th«re&£tcr  up  to  and 
Including  the  data  oC  th«  filing  of  tbla  complaint,  In  tha  Western  District 
of  Texas,  Defendant  KZT&  FAYS  azODLX,  did  knowingly,  willfully,  and 
unlawfully  coablne,  consplro,  confederate,  and  agree  together  and  with  each 
other  to  kill,  with  premeditation  and  malice  aforethought,  Special  Agents 
Steve  Willis,  Rob  WilliaBS,  Conway  c.  LeBlau,  and  Todd  McKeehan,  all  officers 
and  employees  of  the  United  States  as  specified  in  Title  18,  United  States 
Code,  Section  1114,  in  violation  of  Title  18,  United  States  Code,  Section 
1117. 

OVZRT  ACTB 

in  furtherance  of  such  agreement  and  conspiracy  and  to  effect  the 
objects  thereof,  the  Defendant  and  her  conspirators,  known  and  unknown, 
committed  the  following  overt  acts,  among  others: 

1.  On  February  28,  1993,  in  the  Western  District  of  Texas,  Special 
Agent  Steven  O.  Willie  of  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco,  and  Firearms  was 
shot  and  killed  by  tha  conspirators  while  he  was  attempting  to  execute  search 
and  arrest  warrants. 

3.  On  February  28,  1993,  in  tha  western  District  of  Texas,  Special 
Agent  Robert  Williams  of  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco,  and  Firearms  was 
shot  and  killed  by  the  conspirators  while  he  was  attempting  to  execute  search 
and  arrest  warrants. 

3.  On  February  28,  1993,  in  the  Western  District  of  Texas,  Special 
Agent  Conway  C.  LeBleu  of  tha  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco,  and  Firearms  was 
shot  and  killed  by  the  conspirators  while  he  was  attempting  to  execute  search 
and  arrest  warrants. 

4.  On  February  28,  1993,  in  the  western  District  of  Texas,  Special 
Agent  Todd  W.  McKeehan  of  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco,  and  Firearms  was 
shot  and  killed  by  the  conspirators  while  he  was  attempting  to  execute  search 
and  arrest  warrants. 

All  in  violation  of  Title  18,  United  States  Code,  Section  1117. 


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ATTIDAViy 

Affiant  alleoeB  the  following  grounfia  for  the  aai^iiT-n  >^nd  »fT-f|g^ 
fill 

Hy  nana  Is  Earl  Ounagan.  I  hav«  bean  a  Special  Agent  with  the 

Bureau  of  Alcohol,   Tobacco  and  Fireams,   Department  of  the 

Treasury,  [hereinafter  ATF] ,  for  23  years  and  in  that  capacity  have 

handled  many  investigatione  into  the  illegal  possession  and 

manufacture  of  weapons,  as  well  as  other  offenses  encompassed  by 

Titles  18  and  26,  United  States  code.   In  addition,  before  serving 

as  a  federal  agent,  I  was  an  officer  in  the  police  departments  of 

the  cities  of  Garland  and  Bryan,  Texas,  for  approximately  seven  and 

a  half  years. 

For  many  months,  I  and  other  agents  have  been  investigating 
allegations  that  VZRUOH  BOWSLL,  also  known  as  David  Koresh,  and  his 
associates  have,  and  are.  violating  the  federal  firearms  and 
explosive  laws  at  a  compound  located  on  approximately  70-80  acres 
near  Waoo,  Texas,  and  known  as  the  Mt.  Carmal  Compound.  That 
investigation  has  shown  that  members  of  the  group  have  been 
receiving  substantial  quantities  of  firearms  and  components  to 
illegally  modify  firearms  and  create  destructive  devices.  The 
results  of  that  investigation  were  incorporated  in  an  affidavit 
that  supported  the  issuance  of  a  federal  search  and  arrest  warrants 
on  Februeury  25,  1993,  and  continuous  updated  warrants  to  and 
including  that  issued  April  13,  1993.  Attached  hereto  and 
incorporated  herein  is  the  latest  affidavit  of  oavy  Aguilera 


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supporting  that  federal  search  warrant  on  these  premises. 

Affiant  has  spoken  with  and  read  the  statements  of  many  of  the 
ATF  Agents  who,  on  February  28,  1993,  attempted  to  execute  the 
search  warrant  at  the  Mt.  Carmel  Compound  and  have  reviewed  the 
results  of  the  investigation  conducted  by  your  affiant  and  other 
law  enforcement  officers  into  the  murder  of  four  KIT  Agents  at  the 
Mt.  carmel  compound  and  attempted  murder  of  remaining  agents  at  the 
scene,  resulting  in  15  injured  agents.  Based  upon  this  review,  I 
believe  that  there  is  probable  cause  to  believe  that  the  above 
named  person  committed  the  offense  of  conspiring  to  murder  a 
federal  officer  engaged  in  or  on  account  of  the  performance  of  his 
or  her  official  duties  in  violation  of  Title  18,  United  states 
code.  Sections  1111,  1114,  and  lll7. 

Current  and  former  associates  of  yZRUOlI  HOVBLL,  also 
known  aa  David  Koreah,  have  informed  investigators  that  HOWXZX  is 
a  leader  of  a  group  of  individuals  who  reside  at  the  Mt.  carmel 
Compound,  Route  7,  Box  4  71-B,  Waco,  Texas.  As  such,  EOWXLL  imposes 
severe  discipline  upon  his  associates  and  demands  total  obedience 
to  his  commando.^  Agents  have  also  learned  that  Strvx  BCEVSZDER 
is  HOWSLXt'B  deputy  and  second  in  command  at  the  compound.   DOOOZJLS 


^  Many  of  these  individuals  have  expressed  a  fear  of  VemoB 
Bovell  and  his  current  associates.  Because  Howell  assumed  control 
of  this  group  of  individuals  after  a  gun  battle  in  1987  and  because 
of  the  ferocity  of  the  ambush  of  ATF  agents  on  February  28,  1993, 
I  believe  that  this  fear  is  well  founded  and  thus,  have  not 
identified  certain  sources  of  information  for  their  protection. 
Much,  if  not  all,  of  the  information  obtained  from  these  sources 
has  been  corroborated  through  independent  investigation,  and  I 
believe  that  the  information  which  I  have  included  in  this 
affidavit  is  true  and  correct. 


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WAYVS  MARTXH,  a  llcanavd  attorney,  is  also  a  BOWBLZ.  confidant  and 
holds  a  leadership  position,  being  recognized  by  other  residents  as 
the  third  in  conmand  at  the  compound. 

Approximately  100  other  men,  women,  and  children  live  at 
the  Mt.  carmel  Compound.  Certain  of  the  male  residents,  including 
JAZJUB  CASTILLO,  AOEBOWALE  DAVZEB,  CLXTZ  DOYLZ,  FLOYD  LEOS  EODTXAV, 
DAVID  MICHAEL  J0HB8,  JETF  LITTLE,  DODGLAa  WAYKB  MARTIU,  ''PBILLIP", 
whom  I  believe  to  ba  PHILLIP  HENRY,  "BTBVE",  whom  I  believe  to  be 
STEVE  HEHRY,  JAMES  L.  RIDDLE,  STEVE  SCHXnSIDER,  CLIFF  BELL0H8, 
GREOORY  A.  SOMMERS,  KEIL  VAEGA,  MARX  WEKOEL,  Livingstone  Fagan, 
Oliver  Gyarfas,  "Stone"  whom  I  believe  to  be  Livingstone  Malcolm, 
David  Thibodeau,  and  Kevin  A.  Whitecliff  have  been  designated  by 
HOVELL  as  "Mighty  Men".  The  "Mighty  Men"  designation  appears  to  be 
rooted  in  the  Old  Testament  which  describes  a  group  of  that  name  as 
select  warriors  who  fought  for  King  David.  Former  residents  of  the 
compound  report  that  all  the  Mighty  Men  named  above  were  on  the 
premises  at  the  time  of  the  ambush  of  the  ATF  Agents  on  February 
28,  1993. 

Former  residents  of  the  compound  also  report  that  all 
adult  residents  of  the  compound,  except  for  the  elderly  or  infirm, 
and  some  of  the  children  undergo  training,  which  could  be  described 
as  "paramilitary  training"  and  are  schooled  in  the  use  of  multiple 
weapons,  including  assault-type  weapons  such  as  the  AK-47  and  AR-15 
or  M-16  rifles.^  When  taken  into  custody,  one  former  resident  of 


'  One  12  year  old  girl  who  refused  to  touch  a  rifle  during  one  of 
the  training  sessions  was  later  allowed  to  leave  the  compound. 


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tn«  conpound,  Catharine  Matteson,  who  was  present  at  th«  coatpound 
during  the  ambush  of  the  ATF  Agents  and  has  since  left  Mt.  camel, 
had  in  her  possession  detailed,  handwritten  instructions  on 
shooting,  including  notes  on  hov  to  shoot  a  person  wearing  a  bullet 
proof  vest.  Former  residents  of  the  coapound  have  inforaed 
investigating  agents  wor)cing  on  this  case  that  with  the  exception 
of  the  elderly  and  the  children,  weapons  —  described  as  AR->15  or 
AK-47  rifles  —  have  been  issued  to  all  the  adult  residents  of  the 
coapound  and  are  Kept  routinely  in  each's  assigned  bedroom. 

I  know  based  upon  my  training  and  experience  that  an  AR-15  is 
a  semi-automatic  rifle  practically  identical  to  the  M-16  nachinegun 
carried  by  United  States  Armed  Forces.  The  AR-15  rifle  fires  .223 
caliber  ammunition  and,  just  like  the  M-16  maohinegun,  can  carry 
magazines  containing  between  30  to  60  rounds  of  ammunition.  I  have 
been  involved  in  many  cases  where  defendants,  following  a 
relatively  simple  process,  illegally  convert  AR-15  semi-automatic 
rifles  to  fully  automatic  rifles  of  the  nature  of  the  M-16.  This 
illegal  conversion  process  can  often  be  accomplished  by  purchasing 
and  installing  certain  parts  which  will  quickly  convert  the  rifle 
to  fire  fully  automatic. 

Investigative  agents  working  on  this  case  have  learned  from 
former  residents  of  the  Mt.  Carmel  Compound  that  such  conversions 
had  in  fact  taken  place  at  the  compound  prior  to  February  28,  1993. 
From  about  January  or  February  of  1992,  neighbors  whose  property 
surrounds  the  Mt.  Carmel  Compound  reported  hearing  the  sound  of 
automatic  weapon  fire,  including  machinegun  fire,  coming  from  the 


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compound  during  the  night  hours.  One  of  these  neighbors,  who  has 
prior  military  service,  believes  that  some  of  the  gunfire  he  heard 
emanated  from  .50  caliber  machineguns  and  possibly,  m-16 
machineguns . 

It  is  known  from  former  residents  of  the  Mt.  Carmei 
Compound  and  associates  of  HOWHLL  that  HOWBLL  maintains  a  large 
cache  of  weapons  and  ammunition  in  his  arsenal,  including  at  least 
123  AR-15/M-16  type  rifles,  44  AK-47  type  rifles,  26  M-1  type 
rifles,  11  other  long  guns,  60  hand  guns,  2  assault  shotguns 
(Street  Sweepers),  and  2  Barrett  .50  caliber  rifles.  As  to 
ammunition,  one  former  resident  of  the  Mt.  Carmei  Compound 
described  seeing  wood  crates  full  of  ammunition  that  were  staOced 
two  deep  and  as  high  as  the  ceiling  along  a  ten-foot  wall  within 
the  compound. 

Through  tracing  firearms  transactions  forms  and  shipping 
records  ATF  Agents  have  established  that  between  October  of  1991 
and  February  28,  1993,  at  least  $199,715  has  been  spent  on  the 
acquisition  of  weapons,  related  equipment,  and  ammunition  by  HOWZLL 
and  his  associates.  In  addition  to  these  purchases  made  by  this 
group  from  licensed  firearm  dealers,  regular  purchases  of  weapons 
and  ammunition  have  been  made  at  flea  markets  and  gun  shows 
according  to  former  residents  and  associates  of  the  group. 
Identified  as  the  purchasers  of  this  weaponry  are  VEBKOH  HOWSLL, 
JXXMZ  CASTILLO,  Paul  Fatta,  DAVID  MICHXEL  JONZB,  DOUOLAS  WAYHX 
MASTIK,  Catherine  Matteson,  Michael  Dean  Schroeder,  SCOTT  KOJIBO 
SONOBB,  QREOORY  A.  SUKXERS,  and  JEF7  LITTLE. 


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Ponaer  resid«nl:s  also  hav*  raporxsd  obBorvlng  and 
participating  in  tho  illagal  raactivating  and  rearming  of  hand 
grenadtts.  One  BOWSLL  aasoclata  has  advised  agants  that  he  knows, 
based  on  parsonal  obsarvations,  that  HOWKLL  has  manufactured  live 
hand  grenades  (a  prohibited  daatructive  device)  froa  inert 
grenades,  black  powder  and  fuses.  This  individual  has  seen  hand 
grenades  and  their  component  parts  in  the  Mt.  Carmel  Compound  as 
late  as  January  of  1993.  ATF  Agents  present  at  the  attempt  to 
serve  the  search  warrant  at  the  Mt.  carmel  Compound  on  February  28, 
1993  recognized  the  sound  of  grenades  exploding  in  their  midst. 

Within  that  same  time  frame— early  in  1993,  this  individual 
obaarved  two  or  three  illegal  firearm  silencers  being  manufactured 
within  the  compound.  It  is  believed  by  this  individual  that  the 
silencers  were  designed  for  AR-15  rifles.  This  individual  also 
observed  approximately  100  fully  automatic  AR-15/M-16  raachineguns 
within  the  compound,  as  well  as  tactical  veats,  that  is,  clothing 
designed  to  carry  firearms  ammunition  and  magazines;  radio 
equipment;  police  scanners;  and  other  paramilitary  paraphernalia. 
A  former  resident  of  the  compound  has  informed  the  investigative 
agents  working  on  this  case  that  gas  masks  were  distributed  to  the 
Mt.  Carmel  residents  after  the  February  28th  ambush  of  ATF  Agents. 

Further,  I  know  that  ATF  Agents  attempting  to  execute  the 
search  warrant  on  February  28,  1993,  have  stated  that  they  observed 
what  appeared  to  be  tactical  vests  on  many  of  the  Mt.  Carmel 
residents  who  were  firing  upon  the  agents.  A  fcrmar  resident  of 
the  Mt.  carmel  Compound  has  identified  ZIBX    FAHaiS,  F«tICI» 


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BOMOBE,  MAROARETA  VAEOA,  Susan  Banta,  Beverly  Elliot,  Sherri  Lynn 
Jewel,  Juliete  santoyo  Martines,  and  Ruth  Oatoan  Riddle  aa  among 
those  responsible  for  sewing  the  tactical  vests. 

From  former  associates  of  HOVBLL  and  former  residents  of 
the  Mt.  Camel  Compound,  investigating  agents  have  learned  that  as 
part  of  their  regular  duties,  adult  Mt.  Carmel  residents  received 
indoctrination  directed  against  law  enforcement  officials.  An  ATF 
Special  Agent  working  in  an  undercover  capacity  was  even  shown  a 
video  recording  that  was  specifically  derogatory  of  ATF. 
Specifically,  HOWELL  continually  predicted  a  confrontation  with  law 
enforcement  officials  and  repeatedly  instructed  his  followers  that 
should  this  occur,  they  were  to  "resist  with  arms"  and  "be  ready  to 
fight  and  resist."  According  to  a  former  HOWELL  associate, 
HOWELL,  in  discussing  the  firearms  cache  at  the  compound,  always 
said  that  they  were  maintained  there  for  use  against  "the  police" 
and  instructed  both  men  and  women  that  they  were  "to  fight."  As 
part  of  their  regular  training,  the  adult  residents  of  the  Mt. 
Carmel  Compound  maintained  armed  guard  duty  at  the  compound,  with 
instructions  to  shoot  and  kill  any  intruders. 

Early  in  the  morning  of  Sunday,  February  28,  1993,  the 
undorcovar  agent  entered  the  Mt.  Carmel  Compound  and  met  with 
VZRMON  HOWELL,  STEVE  6CSMEIDER,  and  other  residents  of  the 
compound.  VERIIOM  HOWELL  was  then  summoned  from  the  room  by  a 
fellow  resident  of  the  compound,  Perry  Jones,  leaving  the  agent  in 
the  foyer  area.   At  about  the  same  time,  DAVID  MXCHAEL  JOKES,  an 


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associate  of  Vermoh  sowell,  had  arrived  at  the  compound  after 
learning  that  the  compound  might  be  raided  that  day.  a  short  time 
later,  HOWELL  returned  to  the  room  where  the  agent  waited  and 
exclaimed  that  the  ATP  and  the  Kational  Guard  were  coning  to  get 
him.  HOWELL  continued,  eaying,  "Neither  ATF  or  [sic)  the  National 
Guard  will  ever  get  me.  They  got  me  once,  and  they  will  never  get 
ne  again.  They  are  coming;  the  time  has  come."  Shortly 
thereafter,  the  undercover  agent  left  the  compound.^ 

ABBOclatea  who  were  present  in  the  compound  on  that  day 
have  informed  investigating  agante  that,  after  the  departure  of  the 
undercover  agent,  the  word  spread  throughout  the  compound  that  law 
enforcement  officials  were  coming.  One  resident  of  the  compound 
heard  NEIL  VXEOX  say  that  the  "Assyrians  are  coming"  and  became 
frightened,  realizing  that  law  enforcement  officers  were  heading 
towards  the  compound. 

Before  the  ambush,  one  resident  observed  VZRMOK  HOWELL  in  the 
foyer  area  of  the  compound  building.  rowcll  was  dressed  In  black 
clothing  and  carrying  an  AR-15  rifle.  KARK  WENDEL  wao  observed  in 
the  same  area,  also  wearing  blacX  clothing.  HOWELL  directed  the 
elderly  residents  present  on  the  lower  floor  to  return  to  their 
rooms.  As  this  was  occurring,  one  of  these  residente  observed 
several  of  the  men  carrying  weapons,  including  ALRZCX  QEORQE 
BENNETT,  JOHN  MAUX  STANLEY  MC  BEAK,  JAMES  L.  RIDDLE,  Petsr  Gent, 
Peter  Hlpaman,  and  PABLO  COHEN.    This  resident  also  observed  two 


■*  Catherine  Matteson  who  was  present  at  the  compound  on  February 
28,  1993,  has  stated  that  VERNON  HOWELL  knew  that  this  person  was 
an  undercover  law  enforcement  officer. 

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boxes  containing  hand  grenadea  on  a  table  in  the  dining  room. 
DOOOtAS  VAYKB  MARTIN  was  observed  with  a  string  of  hand  grenadea 
around  his  necK.    , 

At  approximately  10:00  a.m.  on  February  28,  1993,  ATF  Agents 
arrived  at  the  premises  in  an  attempt  to  execute  the  search  and 
arrest  warrant.  When  the  ATF  Agents  arrived  at  the  Mt.  Camel 
Compound,  thoy  were  wearing  uniforms  bearing  the  words  "ATf", 
"SPECIAL  AGENT",  and  "POLICE"  in  big  letters  and  bold  gold  print; 
some  carried  equipment  upon  which  were  displayed  the  words  "ATF 
AGENT"  and  "POLICE".  As  some  of  the  agents  approached  the  front 
door  of  the  premises,  making  loud  verbal  announcements  as  to  their 
identity  and  purpose  of  executing  the  warrant,  at  least  one  agent 
observed  VKRNON  HOWELL  standing  in  the  partially  opened  front  door. 
VERNON  HOWELL  was  observed  to  smile  and  then  close  the  front  door 
to  the  agents.  Gunfire  then  erupted  from  the  inside  of  the 
compound  outward,  piercing  through  the  front  door  and  adjoining 
walls. 

Lying  againsc  the  outside  front  wall  of  the  foyer  after 
being  hit  in  the  opening  rounds  of  fire,  ATF  Special  Agents  heard 
men's  voices  emanating  from  inside  the  compound  building.  While 
listening,  one  Special  Agent  heard  the  names,  "David"  ,  whom  I 
believe  to  be  David  Koreah,  VERNON  HOWELL,  and  "Wayne,"  whom  I 
believe  to  be  a  reference  to  DODGLAS  WAYNE  MARTIN,  and  from  the 
context  of  the  exchangee  concluded  that  "David"  and  "Wayne"  were 
functioning  in  leadership  roles.  One  compound  resident  who  was 
there  during  the  encounter  was  informed  by  Brad  Branch  that  VERNOM 


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HOWELL  was  in  th«  foyer  area  whan  ha  was  initially  wounded  despite 
wearing  a  bullet  proof  vast. 

Throughout  the  encounter,  the  agents  reoaived  a  heavy 
barrage  of  gunfire  froa  persona  inside  the  compound.  These 
experienced  and  trained  agents  recognized  the  sounds  of  fire  fron 
automatic  and  seai-autoaatic  weapons  and  fire  froa  large  caliber 
weapons,  as  well  as  the  sounds  of  grenades  exploding.  Those  AT? 
Agents  in  the  front  of  the  coapound  building  observed  gunfire 
emanating  from  virtually  every  window  of  the  compound  building  and 
coming  through  the  walls  and  doors.  ATF  Agents  on  the  sides  and 
back  of  the  compound  building  also  observed  firing  froa  the  windows 
of  the  building  and  froa  the  water  tower  located  behind  it.  Agents 
assigned  to  the  task  of  climbing  onto  the  roof  to  gain  entry  into 
the  area  of  VXRMON  HOwnX's  bedroom  and  arsenal  room  were  fired 
upon  through  the  windows,  roof,  and  walls  of  the  compound  while  on 
the  roof  and  within  the  building;  In  addition  they  were  fired  upon 
directly  by  those  residents  of  the  compound  they  encountered  while 
inside  the  building. 

Residents  present  at  the  compound  observed  the  following  women 
armed  with  rifles  on  the  second  floor  of  the  compound  building 
during  the  shooting:  TZSB8A  NOBRZrOA,  RITA  VAYS  RXDDLB,  7ELXCZTA 
SONOBB,  MAROARETA  VAZOA,  and  Jaydean  Wendel.  During  the  shooting, 
Brad  Branch  was  obcarved  with  a  gun,  as  was  AARON  AVDRI  CALAZl, 
AOEBOWALZ  DAVIB8,  PHItLIP  HENRY,  STBVE  HENRY,  FLOYD  L.  HOOTMAM, 
JANE8  L.  RIDDLE,  CLIFF  BELLORS,  and  LORRAINE  SYLVIA.  Also  observed 
with  a  rifle  that  day  wasj   ALRZCE  OEOROE  BEKKITT,  JAIMI  CAflTILLO, 

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PABLO  COKBV,  CLZVS  DOYLE,  LISX  FMUII8,  DOUQUIS  WAYKK  MARTIN,  JOHN 
MARX  STANLEY  MC  BEAM,  TERESA  MOBRZEOA,  RITA  FAYE  RIDDLE,  STEVE 
SCHNEIDER,  SCOTT  KOJIRO  80N0BE,  HEAL  VAEGA,  Shari  E.  Doyle,  Yvette 
Fagan,  Raymond  Frlesan,  Diana  Henry,  Sherri  Lynn  Jewel,  sheila 
Judith  Martin,  Roseoary  Morrison  and  Kevin  Whitecliff.  JUDY 
SCHNEIDER  and  Katherine  Andrade  were  wearing  gun  belts. 

As  the  result  of  this  gunfire  froa  the  residents  of  the  Mt. 
Camel  compound,  four  ATF  Agents  were  killed  and  15  ATF  Agents  were 
wounded.  Physicians,  as  well  as  the  agents  who  attempted  to 
assist  the  injured  and  dead,  have  stated  that  these  agents  received 
gunshot  wounds  and  that  bullets  or  bullet  fragments  or  grenade 
shrapnel  were  located  in  these  agents'  bodies.  Residents  of  the 
compound  who  were  present  during  the  fire  fight  have  identified  the 
following  as  being  wounded  during  it:  VERNON  BOWELL,  DAVID  MXCSABL 
JONES,  jrmr   scsnbider,  soott  XOJIRO  sonobe,  and  Brad  Branch. 

Photographs  and  surveillance  at  the  compound  since  the  time  of 
the  ATF  Agents  withdrawal  establishes  that  the  residents  of  the 
compound  have  fortified  their  building  and  cut  additional  gun  ports 
in  the  walls.  Residents  of  the  compound  have  been  observed 
standing  guard,  including,  according  to  former  residents,  ALORICX 
aXOROB  BENNETT,  JAIME  CASTILLO,  PABLO  COKEN,  CLIVE  DOYLB,  LISA 
FARRIB,  DODOLAS  WAYNE  MARTIN,  JOHN  MARX  STANLEY  MC  BEAN,  STEVE 
SCHNEIDER,  SCOTT  XOJIRO  SONOBE,  NSAL  VAEOA,  Shari  E.  Doyle,  Yvette 
Fagan,  Raymond  Friesen,  Diana  Henry,  Sherri  Lynn  Jewel,  Shiela 
Judith  Martin,  and  Rosemary  Morrison. 

Investigation  and  intelligence  indicates  that  the  following 

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adults  were  present  at  the  coopound  on  February  28,  1993,  at  the 
time  of  thtt  aabush  of  the  ATF  Agents:  Katherlne  Andrade,  ReBOs 
Avrraa,  Susan  Benta,  Marsha  Bland,  Graeme  Leonard  Craddock,  Shari 
E.  Doyle,  Beverly  Elliot,  Doris  Adina  Fa^an,  Yvette  Pagan,  Raymond 
Friesen,  Sandra  Elaine  Hardial,  Diana  Henry,  Pauline  Henry,  Vanessa 
Henry,  Zilla  Henry,  Novellette  Sinclair  Hipsman,  Maxwell  Mortimer 
Howard,  Shorri  Lynn  Jewel,  George  Kean,  Derek  Lloyd  -Lovelock, 
Livingstone  "Stone"  Malcolm,  Anita  Marie  Martin,  Diane  (Daisy) 
Martin,  Wayne  Joseph  Martin,  Juliete  Santoyo  Martinez,  Allison 
Bernadette  Monbelley,  Rosemary  Morrison,  Sonia  Carolina  Murray, 
Majorie  Powell,  Ruth  Ottoan  Riddle,  Wayne  Ritsen,  and  Rebecca 
Saipaia,  and  David  Thibodeau.  At  this  time,  to  your  affiant's 
knowledge  the  only  ties  these  witnesses  have  to  the  central  Texas 
area  arc  with  members  of  the  group  in  the  Mt.  Carmel  Compound. 


Ar.^P^.r 


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Earl  Dunagan,  Sp^dialAgent 
Bureau  of  ATF    -^ 

Subscribed  and  sworn  to  before  me  this   I  T  —  day  of  AC/^ f  C- 
1993. 


Dennis  G.  Green, 


United  States  Magistrate  Judge 
Western  District  of  Texas  -  Waco 


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This  warrant,  affidavit  and  all  accompanying  papers  ar«  hereby 
sealed  by  order  of  this  court. 

Signed  by  ne  this  iS'^J*   day  of  Afi£  f<^ ,  1993. 


'2^-^e^^    ^"^    •^'gy^gg* 


Dennis  G.  Green, 

United  States  Magistrate  Judge 

Western  District  of  Texas  -  Waco 


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'^xiiizh  ^tntzs  Bistrirt  Qlnurt 

HfiSTFBH DISTRICT  OF XEXJLS 


in  th0  Mattftr  of  thi  Searcn  of 


rasxdanc*  of  V*rnon  Hayna  Hawaii.    4nd  echars.    Rt 

7     BOS    471-B.     AXAi     Mounc    Carnal    Cantar,     WaeoCASE  NUMBER 

McLannan  Coua«y,    TX,    Ita  appurraaanea*.    vonielaa. 

unaarground  acrucxuraa  loeacad  on  anciz*  praaa-a** 

of   cha   77   acra   coopound.      Saa  accacrvad  phocoa  a 

proparcy  daaeripcion  Attachmanta  A,    B  and  C 


SEARCH  WARRANT 


lv'?3-3o/^ 


TO:         Special    Anent   Daw  Aouilerii       anO any AuttiorireO Off Icar of tr\a Unltad States 

Allioavu(s)  having  Dean  macaa  Detore  me  Oy  S/A    Davy    Aqpilftrw who  has  reas 

Del  lave  mat  i2  on  the  paraon  of  or  (Son  tna  premisaa  known  aa  mtm*.  ottcnonen  •mvo' lecinem 

th»  r««id«nc«  of  Vtmon  Wayna  How«il  and  oth«ra,  Rt  7  Box  471-B,  AXA:  ! 
Canasl  Cantar,  Waco,  HcLennaji  Counry,  Taxas,  it«  appurtsnancas,  vault 
undarground  atruccurei  locacad  on  ancira  premiaas  of  tha  77  acra  conpc 
saa  AttacAad  photographs  and  proparcy  daacripciona. 

m  tna u^y^■a^^^  DIatnct  of Tenaa      — • "'•'•  '■ 

concaaieo  a  certain  peraon  or  property,  na/neiy  ni«c»M  i'<«  Mrten  c  »r«Mnn 

SEE  ATTACHED    SHEET    FOR   CONCEALED    PROPERTY    (ATTACHMENT   D) 


I  am  satisfied  that  the  affldavit(s)  ana  any  recoroeo  testimony  eatabllan  probable  cauaa  to  believe  that  the  c 
or  property  so  fleacnbad  Is  now  concaaiad  on  the  peraon  or  premiaea  aoove-deacnbeo  ana  astabllah  groun 
tna  Issuance  of  this  warrant. 

YOU  ARE  HEREBY  COMMANDED  to  search  on  or  before A,0^f^  P^     ''^t^ 

(not  10  exceea  10  aaye)  the  person  or  place  named  above  tor  the  person  or  properry  specified,  servtng  thle  w 
and  making  tna  search  (la  it>e  ia'><m»a  6iOO  AM  lu  tOW  P  M.I  (at  any  time  m  the  day  or  night  as 
reasonable  cause  has  been  estapilshgai  and  if  the  person  or  properry  be  found  there  to  seize  same,  leaving  c 
of  this  warrant  and  receipt  tor  the  person  or  prooeny  taken,  ano  prepare  a  wntten  inventory  of  the  person  or 

any  seized  and  promotiy  return  this  warrant  to  Dennia   G-    ^f^^"    _      — ^^ 

as  reauirea  by  law. 


DWanonfncuMjao  wiy  ano  ai«.  ^^^ 


""^'Ifi  — '^"^ — "'^ 


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ATTXCmngHT    X 


The  residsnca  of  Vernon  Wayna  Howail.  and  ochers.  dascribad  as  a 
Large  tvo  story  tan  structure  witii  a  ligftt  gray  coDpoaition  roof 
several  breads  m  the  roof  line  and -white  shuttera  on  the  windows 
with  a  three  or  four  story  square  addition  to  the  structure  nea: 
the  center  of  the  complex  which  appears  to  be  an  obaarvation  tovar 
There  is  a  rusty  cylindrical  water  tanJc  at  the  north  and  of  thi 
structure  which  is  approxioaceiy  60  feet  in  height.  There  are  alsi 
numerous  vehicles  of  various  maXes  and  Dodels  around  the  structure 
as  wall  as  several  outbuildings  located  on  the  preaisas  which  it 
approximately  70  to  80  acres  in  size.  At  the  entrance  driveway  ti 
the  premises  is  a  small  frame  shack. 

To  locate  the  property  begin  at  Exit  number  33  0,  Loop  340  and  Texai 
Highway  number  6,  at  its  intersection  with  Interstate  Highway  3  5 
^ust  south  of  Waco,  HcLennan  County,  Texas,  go  east  on  Loop  3  40 
which  curves  into  a  northerly  direction  for  approximately  8,1  mile: 
to  Its  intersection  with  Texas  Farm  Road  number  2491.  Turn  right 
or  east  on  Farm  Road  2491,  and  proceed  for  approximately  5.6  milei 
to  its  intersection  with  Double  EE  Ranch  Road/County  Road  nuaba: 
222.  Turn  left,  or  north  and  proceed  approximately  .  4  of  a  mile  ti 
the  entrance  driveway  which  is  on  the  right  or  east  side  of  Doubli 
EE  Ranch  Road.  At  the  entrance  to  the  property  is  one  smal. 
mailbox  and  one  large  mailbox  accompanied  by  a  Waco  Tribune  Herali 
delivery  box  which  is  yellow  in  color  with  blacJc  printing  upon  it 
Affiant  and  other  authorized  agents  sealc  to  aaarch  the  entire  70-8< 
acre  compound,  including  all  buildings,  vehicles  and  structures  o] 
the  premises  located  both  above  and  below  the  ground. 


PHOTOGRAPHS  OF  PROPERTY  ARE  ATTACHED  AND  MADE  A  PART  HERETO. 


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ATTXegyrprf  p 


The  fallowing  property  la  concealed; 

A  quantity  of  £irearas,  including  but  not  limited  to:  an 
assortmant  of  AA-15  rifles  and  \X-47  rifles,  and  parts  thsraof, 
MAC-lO  and  HAC-11  firaams,  along  with  a  quantity  of  assorcad 
machinagun  conversion  parts,  which,  when  aasambled,  would  be 
classified  as  machineguns,  machinery  and  implaments  used  or 
suitable  for  use  in  converting  seal-automatic  weapons  to  fully 
automatic  and  for  constructing  destructive  devicee  such  as  pipe 
bombs  and  homaaade  grenades,  this  machinery  would  include,  but  not 
be  limited  to  metal  lathes  and  milling  machinea  and  imaging 
equipment,  receipts  and  bills  from  hardware  stores  and  other 
raercnants  reflecting  the  purchase  of  equipment  used  to  construct  or 
convert  explosive  devices  or  firearms,  .50  caliber  anti-tan)c  rifle, 
3tan  guns,  grenade  launchers,  practice  rifle  grenadee,  practice 
hand  grenades,  various  chemicals,  including  but  not  limited  to 
blaclc  powder,  ignitor  cord,  aluminum  metal  powder  and  potassium 
nitrats,  magnaaium  metal  powder,  metals  in  various  forms,  inert 
"pineapple"  type  hand  grenades,  pipe  bombs  and  parts  thereof,  radio 
controlled  airplanes  which  could  be  utilized  to  carry  explosives, 
and  other  suitabls  casings  of  un)ufiown  description  which,  when 
assembled,  would  be  classified  as  destructive  devices  as  thoae 
terns  are  defined  in  Section  5845  (b)  ,  and  Section  5B45  (f), 
Chapter  S3,  Title  26,  United  States  Code,  which  are  not  registered 
with  the  Netional  riraarms  Registration  and  Transfer  Rsoord, 
Washington.  D.C.,  as  required  by  law,  ailenoers  and  parts  thereof, 
body  armor,  equipment  vests  and  other  such  clothing,  counter- 
surveillance  equipment  (i.e.  binoculars,  spotting  scopes,  night 
vision  equipment) ,  scanners,  two-way  radios,  cellular  telephones, 
KAK  radios,  video  tape  equipment  (Vdt) ,  audio  tape  equipment 
including  video  and  audio  tapes,  documentary  and  computerized 
evidence  of  receipt  or  ownership,  video  and  other  instructional 
matter  including  book.let8  and  magarines  which  contain  instructions 
for  converting  semi-automatic  firearms  into  machineguns,  and  the 
construction  of  improvised  explosive  weapons,  or  which  may  be 
instructional  in  firearms  training,  including  computer  hardware, 
peripheral  equipment  and  software  containing  files  and  directories 
and  ths  information  thereon.  This  is  to  include  any  disks, 
manuals,  printouts  and  other  assorted  computer  ac[uipmBnt. 


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iO  1M  (Bev   (  »7l  Aiiiflivii  lor  Saircn  W»ffini     • 


^  —  .       ■        FILED 

Mniitb  states  Bistrtct  fllauirt  -^pri  3199 

WESIESM DISTRICT  OF 

In  tna  Matt«r  of  tne  Searcn  of 

residence   oi  Vernon   Wayn«    Howail,    and  othari  APPLICATION  AND  AFFIDAVI 
Rt   7   BOX   471-B,    also  known  aa   the  Mt.    Carmel  FOR  SEARCH  WARRANT 

Center,   Waco,   McLennan  County,   Texas,    its  appurtenances,    vehicles  ^ 

and  underground  structures    located  on  the    CASE  NUH/»8ER:  l/\/  ^/3  'S2i'^ 

encire   premises  of   the   77   acre  compound.      See  attached  photos  and  proparf 
descriptions,   Attachnients  A,    B  and  C 

' Davy  Aguilsra being  duly  sworn  depose  an 

I  am  a(«0  .tjocrial    Aopnr.   u^th    the    Bur>»Hii   of   hTF and  hiv*  raaaon  to  t 

that  \^  on  the  person  ol  or  ^  on  the  property  or  premises  Known  as  iahm  (Muwiitn .»»«,  »«•<*« 

SEE   ATTACHED    "DESCRIPTION    OF    PROPERTY"    WHICH    IS    INCORPORATED    BY    REFERENCE 
THOUGH   FULLY    SET    FORTH, 


in  the WESTERN District  of TEXAS 

there  IS  now  concealed  a  certain  oerson  or  property,  namely  MMcnMrnn'Mnw ••wot* km •»!«• 

SEE  ATTACHED  "DESCRIPTION  OF  PROPERTY"  WHICH  IS  INCORPORATED  BY  REFERENCE 

AS  THOUGH  FULLY  SET  FORTH.   SEE  ATTACHMENT  D, 

which  IS  tliti**^**  moraMM*  (v  itvct  v«a  M.iwf«  Mt  •OAtw^vv  fcflt*"**' I'V'Mani  ^^••V'C'tm'^  ^TMaMt* 

contraband,    evidence  of   the   coimnisBion  of  a  criminal   offense,    and  things 
criminally  possessed 

concerning  a  violation  of  Title        IS    &    26       United  States  code.  RAffttnnut    922  fol.    ';B45(fl.    SB 
The  tacts  to  suooon  a  linoing  of  Probaote  Cause  are  as  follows: 

SEE  ATTACHED  "AFFIDAVIT"  OF  SPECIAL  AGENT  DAVY  AOUILEBA,  BUREAU  OP  ALCOHC 
TOBACCO  AND  FIREARMS,  WHICH  IS  ATTACHED  HERETO  AND  INCORPORATED  BY  REFER! 
THOUGH  FULLY  SET  FORTH. 


Continued  on  me  attached  sheet  ana  maae  a  part  hereof.  (2  Yes        Q  No 

signwiA* of  A((i«p»/t)avy  Aguriera ,   Spec; 
/   ATF  / 

Sworn  to  Dclore  me.  arxl  suDscrlbeo  In  my  pretence 

Z^^^,/^':     /<?y5 at  "'^°°r    TX   ^^ 

r^^nnis   G.    Green,    U.S.    Magistrate  Judge  >^^<^^««*<-»   ^-<^    ..-^<^«9*«^  ' 

i^meeno  Title  01  Juaici«iO(irc.r  Slonwure  ol  JuOlclat  Of  fleer 


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XTTXCmgHT  X 


Th«  residence  of  Vernon  Wayne  Howell,  and  others,  described  as  a 
large  two  story  tan  structure  with  a  light  grey  coaposition  roof, 
several  breads  in  the  roof  line  and  white  shutters  on  the  windows; 
with  a  three  or  four  story  square  addition  to  the  structure  near 
the  center  of  the  conplex  which  appears  to  be  an  observation  tover. 
There  is  a  rusty  cylindrical  water  tanJc  at  the  north  and  of  the 
structure  which  is  approximately  60  feet  in  height.  There  are  also 
numerous  vehicles  of  various  saXes  and  models  around  the  structure, 
as  well  as  several  outbuildings  located  on  the  premises  which  is 
approximately  70  to  80  acres  in  size.  At  the  entrance  driveway  to 
the  premises  is  a  small  frame  shac)c. 

To  locate  the  property  begin  at  Exit  number  330,  Loop  340  and  Texas 
Highway  number  6,  at  its  intersection  with  Interstate  Highway  35, 
just  south  ot  Waco,  McLennan  County,  Texas,  go  east  on  Loop  340, 
which  curves  into  a  norrheriy  direction  for  approximately  8.1  miles 
CO  Its  intersecrion  with  Texas  Farm  Road  number  2491.  Turn  right, 
or  east  on  Farm  Road  2  491,  and  proceed  for  approximately  S.6  milee 
to  its  intersection  with  Double  FE  Ranch  Road/ County  Road  number 
222.  Turn  left,  or  north  and  proceed  approximately  .4  of  a  mile  to 
the  entrance  driveway  which  is  on  the  right  or  eest  side  of  Double 
EE  Ranch  Road.  At  the  entrance  to  the  property  is  one  sbbII 
mailbox  and  one  large  mailbox  accompanied  by  a  Waco  Tribune  Herald 
delivery  box  which  is  yellow  in  color  with  blacK  printing  upon  it. 
Affiant  and  other  authorizad  agenrs  seeX  to  seerch  the  entire  70-BO 
acre  compound,  including  all  buildings,  vehicles  and  structures  on 
the  premises  located  botm  abov*  and  below  the  ground. 


PHOTOGRAPHS  OF  PROPERTY  ARE  ATTACHED  AND  MADE  A  PART  HERETO. 


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ATTACHMEMT  P 


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The  following  property  ia  coneealadi 

A  quantity  of  firearms,  including  but  not  limited  to:  an 
assortment  of  AR-lS  rifles  and  AX-47  rifles,  and  parts  thereof, 
MAC-lO  and  MAC-11  firearms,  along  with  a  quantity  of  asaortsd 
machinegiin  conversion  parts,  which,  when  assembled,  would  be 
classified  as  machineguns,  machinery  and  implements  used  or 
suitable  for  use  in  converting  semi-autonatic  weapons  to  fully 
automatic  and  for  constructing  destructive  devices  such  as  pips 
bombs  and  homemade  grenades,  this  machinery  would  include,  but  not 
be  limited  to  metal  lathes  and  milling  machines  and  imaging 
equipment,  receipts  and  bills  from  hardware  stores  and  other 
merchants  reflecting  the  purchase  of  equipment  used  to  construct  or 
convert  explosive  devices  or  firearms,  .50  caliber  anti-tank  rifle, 
sten  guns,  grenade  launchers,  practice  rifle  grenades,  practice 
hand  grenades,  various  chemicals,  including  but  not  limited  to 
black  powder,  ignitor  cord,  aluminum  metal  powder  and  potassium 
nitrate,  magnesium  metal  powder,  metals  in  various  forms,  inert 
"pineapple"  type  hand  grenades,  pipe  bombs  and  parts  thereof,  radio 
controlled  airplanes  which  could  be  utilized  to  carry  explosives, 
and  other  suitable  casings  of  unXnown  description  which,  when 
assembled,  would  be  classified  as  destructive  devices  as  those 
terms  are  defined  in  Section  5B45  (b) ,  and  Section  5845  (f) , 
Chapter  53,  Title  26,  United  States  Code,  which  are  not  registered 
with  the  National  Firearms  Registration  and  Transfer  Record, 
Washington,  D.C. ,  as  required  by  lav,  silencers  and  parts  thereof, 
body  armor,  equipment  vests  and  other  such  clothing,  covinter- 
surveillance  equipment  (i.e.  binoculars,  spotting  scopes,  night 
vision  equipment),  scanners,  two-way  radios,  cellular  telephones, 
HAM  radios,  video  tape  equipment  (VCR),  audio  tape  equipment 
including  video  and  audio  tapes,  documentary  and  computerized 
evidence  of  receipt  or  ownership,  video  and  other  instructional 
matter  Including  booklets  and  magasines  which  contain  instructions 
for  converting  semi-automatic  firearms  into  machineguns,  and  the 
construction  of  improvised  explosive  weapons,  or  which  may  be 
instructional  in  firearms  training,  including  computer  hardware, 
peripheral  eq^iipnent  and  software  containing  files  and  directories 
and  the  information  thereon.  This  is  to  include  any  disks, 
manuals,  printouts  and  other  assorted  computer  equipment. 


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ArriPAviT 


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Affiant  alleaea  t{ie  following  grounds  fox   search  and  saizurw} 

I,  oavy  Aguilara,  being  duly  sworn,  depose  and  state  that: 

T  an  a  Special  Agent  with  the  U.  S.  Treasury  Department,  Bureau  of 
Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Flreams,  Austin,  Texas,  and  I  have  been  so 
employed  for  approximately  5  years.  This  affidavit  is  based  on  ny 
own  investigation  as  well  as  information  furnished  to  me  by  other 
law  enforcement  officers  and  concerned  citizens. 

As  a  result  of  ny  training  and  experience  as  a  Special  Agent  for 
the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms,  I  am  familiar  with 
the  Federal  firearm  and  explosive  laws  and  know  that  it  is  unlawful 
for  a  person  to  manufacture,  possess,  transfer,  or  to  transport  or 
ship  in  interstate  coounercs  machineguns,  machinegun  conversion 
parts,  or  explosives  which  are  classified,  by  Federal  law,  as 
machineguns,  and/or  destructive  devices,  including  any  combination 
of  parts  either  designed  or  intended  for  use  in  converting  any 
firearm  into  a  machinegun,  or  into  a  de-cructiva  device  as  defined 
by  Federal  law,  and  from  which  a  destructive  device  may  be  readily 
assembled,  without  them  being  lawfully  registered  in  the  National 
Firearms  Registration  and  Transfer  Record,  U.S.  Treasury 
Department,  Washington,  D.C. 

During  my  5  years  experience  with  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco 
and  Firearms,  I  have  investigated  persons  who  have  unlawfully 
poBseased,  tranefarred  or  ahipped  in  interstate  or  foreign  commerce 
firearme  and/or  axploetve  devices  which  ware  not  registered  to  them 
with  the  National  Firearms  Registration  and  Transfer  Record,  and 
have  successfully  participated  in  the  prosecution  of  several  of 
these  individuals. 

on  June  4,  1992,  I  met  with  Lieutenant  Gone  Barber,  McLennan  County 
Sheriff's  Department,  Waco,  Texas,  who  has  received  extensive 
training  in  explosives  classification,  identification  and  the 
rendering  aafe  of  explosive  devices  and  has  bean  recognized  in 
Federal  Court  as  «n  expert  witness  in  this  field.  Lt.  Barber 
etated  that  he  had  received  Information  in  May  1992,  from  an 
employee  of  United  Parcel  Service,  Waco,  Texas,  that  from  April 
through  June  of  1992,  several  deliveries  had  been  made  to  a  place 
Icnown  as  the  "Mag-Bag",  Route  7,  Box  555-B,  Waco,  Texas,  7670S, 
located  on  Farm  Road  number  2  4  91,  in  the  names  of  Mike  Schroeder 
and  David  Koraah,  which  the  UPS  employee  believed  to  be  firearms 
components  and  explosives.  Through  my  investigation,  I  know  that 
the  place  known  as  the  "Mag-Bag"  is  a  small  tract  of  land  locatsd 
at  the  above  addresa  which  has  two  metal  buildings  located  on  it. 
The  name   "Mag-Bag"   comes   from  thi     shipping   label  which   is 


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acconpanied  many  items  shipped  to  the  above  address.  I  and  ochar 
agents  have  personaily  observed  vehicles  consistently  over  the  past 
six  Donths  at  the  "Mag-Bag"  location  which  are  registered  to  Vernon 
Wayne  Howell,  aka:  David  Koresh.  Lieutenant  Barber  further  stated 
that  the  UPS  employee,  Larry  Gllbreath,  becaae  suspicious  and 
concerned  about  the  deliveries,  most  of  which  were  shipped  cash  On 
Delivery,  (C.O.D.)  because  of  their  frequency  and  because  of  the 
method  used  by  the  recipient  to  receive  the  shipments  and  to  pay 
for  thea. 

Lieutenant  Barber  explained  that  David  Koresh  was  an  alias  name 
used  by  Vernon  Wayne  Howell  who  operated  a  religious  cult  commune 
near  Waco,  Texas,  at  a  place  commonly  known  as  the  Mount  carael 
Center,  which  is  one  of  the  premises  to  be  searched  and  more 
specifically  described  above.  i  have  learned  from  ny 
investigation,  particularly  from  my  discussions  with  former  cult 
members  that  Vernon  Howell  adopted  the  name  David  Koresh  more  than 
a  year  ago.  The  name  "David  Koresh"  was  chosen  by  Howell  because 
Howell  believed  that  the  name  helped  designate  him  as  the  messiah 
or  the  anointed  one  of  God.  Lieutenant  Barber  further  related  that 
he  was  told  by  Gllbreath  that:  he  has  been  making  deliveries  to  the 
"Mag  Bag"  and  the  Mount  Camel  center  on  Double  EE  Ranch  Road, 
Waco,  Texas,  for  several  years,  but  he  had  never  been  suspicious  of 
any  of  the  deliveries  until  1992.  Gllbreath  became  concerned 
because  he  made  several  C.O.D.  deliveries  addressed  to  the  "Hag- 
Bag",  but  when  he  would  stop  at  that  location  he  was  instructed  to 
wait  while  a  telephone  call  was  made  to  the  Mount  Camel  Center  by 
the  person  at  the  "Mag-Bag",  usually  Woodrow  Kendrick  or  Hike 
Schroeder,  notifying  the  person  who  answered  the  phone  at  the  Mount 
Camel  Center  that  UPS  was  coming  there  with  a  C.O.D.  delivery, 
after  which  Gllbreath  would  be  instructed  to  drive  to  the  Ho\int 
Carmel  Center  to  deliver  the  package  and  collect  for  it.  That  on 
those  occasions  when  he  was  at  the  Mount  Camel  Center  to  deliver 
and  collect  for  the  C.O.D.  packages.  He  saw  several  manned 
observation  posts,  and  believed  that  the  observers  were  armed. 

Lieutenant  Barber  stated  that  he  was  told  by  Larry  Gllbreath  (UPS) 
that  in  Hay  of  1992  two  cases  of  inert  hand  grenades  and  a  quantity 
of  black  gun  powder  were  delivered  by  him  to  the  "Hag-Bag."  The 
source  of  these  shipments  was  unknown  to  Gllbreath. 

On  June  9,  1992,  I  was  contacted  by  Lieutenant  Barber  who  told  me 
that  he  had  learned  from  Larry  Gllbreath  that  in  June  of  1992,  the 
United  Parcel  Service  delivered  ninety  (90)  pounds  of  powdered 
aluminum  metal  and  30  to  40  cardboard  tubes,  24  inches  in  length 
and  1  1/4  to  1  1/2  inches  in  diameter,  which  were  shipped  from  the 
Fox  Fire  Company,  Poeateila,  Idaho,  to  "Hag-Bag."  From  another 
shipper  whose  identity  is  unicnown,  two  parcels  containing  a  total 
of  sixty  (60),  M-16/AR-15  ammunition  magazines  were  delivered  by 
UPS  to  the  "Mag-Bag"  on  June  8,  1992.  I  know  based  upon  my 
training  and  experience  that  an  AR-15  is  a  semi-automatic  rifle 
practically  identical  to  the  M-16  rifle  carried  by  United  States 


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Armed  Forcaa.  The  AR-15  rifle  fires  .223  caliber  amaunition  and 
just  like  the  M-16,  can  carry  magazines  of  ammunition  ranging  froi 
30  to  60  rounds  of  ammunition.  I  have  bean  involved  in  many  case, 
where  defendants,  followxng  a  relatively  simple  process,  convert 
AR-15  semi-automatic  rxfles  to  fully  automatic  rifles  of  the  nature 
of  the  M-16.  This  conversion  process  can  often  be  accomplished  by 
an  individual  purchasing  certain  parts  which  will  qulOcly  transform 
the  rifle  to  fire  fully  automatic.  Often  times  templates,  milling 
machines,  lathes  and  instruction  guides  are  utilized  by  the 
converter. 

Lieutenant  Barber  related  to  me  the  following  background 
information  about  the  Mount  Camel  canter  commune,  which  is  located 
at  Rt.  1 ,  Box  471-B,  Waco,  Texas,  and  consists  of  some  seventy  (70) 
acres  of  land,  occupied  by  Varnon  W.  Howell,  a/k/a  David  Koresh  and 
others. 

The  property  was  once  owned  and  occupied  by  George  Buchanan  Roden, 
who  once  was  an  unannounced  candidate  for  the  office  of  President 
of  the  United  States.  Roden  inherited  the  property  sometime  in  the 
1950 '8,  and  beginning  about  January  1986  established  and  led  a 
religious  cult  group  with  about  twenty  (20)  followers.  He  claimed 
to  be  the  Prophet  of  the  group.  The  property  at  that  time  was 
known  as  the  "Elk  Proparty/Mt.  Cannel  Canter."  About  this  sane 
time,  Roden  was  in  jeopardy  of  losing  the  property  by  foreclosure 
due  to  delinquent  taxes  which  had  not  bean  paid  since  1968. 

About  this  same  time,  Vernon  Wayne  Howell,  had  established  a 
similar  group  in  Palestine,  Texas,  known  as  the  Branch  Oavidian 
seventh-Day  Adventists.  Sometime  in  1987,  Howell,  laid  claim  to 
ownership  of  tha  Mr.  Carmel  Center  property  and  wanted  to  acquire 
it  by  any  means  possible.  On  Novamher  3,  1987,  Howell  led  an  armed 
group  of  eight  nan  into  Roden 'a  camp  and  a  45-minute  gun  battle 
ensued.  Roden  was  shot  in  the  finger  and  was  the  only  person 
injured. 

Eight  people,  including  Varnon  W.  Howell  and  Paul  Gordon  Fatta  were 
arrested  by  the  McLennan  County  Sheriff's  Department,  Waco,  Texas, 
and  were  indicted  for  attamptad  murder  by  a  McLennan  County  Grand 
Jury.  All  eight  3Ub;)acts  were  tried  in  state  court  at  Waco,  Texas, 
and  ware  acquitted  of  tha  charges  of  attempted  murder  by  a  jury. 

After  the  armed  assault  by  Howell  and  his  followers,  George  Roden 
vacated  the  property.  In  1987,  the  property  was  taken  over  by 
Howell  and  his  cult  group.  The  taxes  owed  on  the  Mt.  Carmel  Center 
have  been  paid  by  Howell's  group.  His  cult  has  grovm  to  about 
seventy  (70)  to  eighty  (80)  people  which  includes  men,  woman  and 
children  who  now  live  on  the  Mount  Carmel  center  property. 

Lieutenant  Barber  furnished  ma  with  recently  taken  aerial 
photographa  of  the  Mount  Canael  Center  which  had  been  taken  by 
captain  Dan  Weyenberg  of  the  McLennan  County  Sheriff's  Department, 


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Waco,  Texas.  Among  the  things  noted  in  the  photographs  was  a 
buried  bus  near  the  main  structvxre  and  an  observation  tower, 
approximately  three  or  four  stories  tall  with  windows  on  all  four 
sides  enabling  a  view  from  tha  structure  of  360  degrees. 

I  was  also  advised  by  Lieutenant  Barber  that  Robert  cervenka,  a 
known  long  time  McLennan  County  citizen,  who  lives  near  the  Mount 
carmel  center,  compound,  had,  on  several  occasions,  from  January 
through  February  of  1992,  heard  machinegun  fire  coming  from  the 
compound  property.  Mr.  CervenXa  offered  law  enforcement 
authorities  his  residence  to  be  used  as  a  surveillance  post. 

On  July  21,  1992,  I  met  with  Robert  L.  cervenka,  Route  7,  Box  103, 
Riesel,  Texas.  Mr.  cervenXa  farms  the  property  surrounding  ths 
east  side  of  the  Mount  carmel  property.  Mr.  Cervenka  stated  that 
he  has  farmed  that  area  since  1948.  From  about  January  and 
February  of  1992  he  has  heard  machinegun  fire  on  the  Vernon  Howell 
property  during  the  night  hours.  He  ia  familiar  with  and  knows  the 
sound  of  machinegun  fire  because  he  did  a  tour  overseas  with  the 
U.S.  Army.  He  believes  that  some  of  the  gunfire  he  heard  was  being 
done  with  50  caliber  machineguns  and  possibly  M-16  machineguns. 

On  November  13,  1992,  I  spoke  with  Lieutenant  Gene  Barber  who  told 
me  that  Mr.  Cervenka,  whose  ranch  is  adjacent  to  the  Mount  Carmel 
Property,  had  reported  hearing  bursts  of  gunfire  from  the  Mount 
Carmel  compound  on  November  8,  1992,  at  approximately  2:45  p.m. 

On  June  8,  1992,  based  on  information  gained  from  Gilbreeth  by 
Lieutenant  Barber,  I  interviewed  Dave  Haupert,  Olympic  Arms  Inc., 
Olympia,  Washington,  a  company  which  had  shipped  several  parcels  to 
David  Koresh  ac  the  "Hag-Bag",  Route  7,  Box  555-B,  Waco.  Texas. 
Mr.  Haupert  told  me  that  the  records  of  Olympic  Arms  Inc. , 
indicated  that  approximately  forty-five  (45)  AR-15/M16  rifle  upper 
receiver  units,  with  barrels  of  various  calibers,  had  been  shipped 
from  March  through  April  of  1992  to  the  Mag-Bag  Corporation  for  a 
total  cost  of  $11,107.31,  cash  on  delivery. 

On  January  13,  1993,  I  interviewed  Leurry  Gilbreath  in  Waco,  Texas, 
and  confirmed  the  information  which  had  previously  been  related  to 
me  by  Lieutenant  Barber.  Mr.  Gilbrsath  told  me  that  although  he 
had  been  making  deliveries  at  tha  "Mag  Bag"  and  the  Mount  carnal 
Center  for  quite  some  time,  his  suspicion  about  the  packages  being 
delivered  to  those  places  never  was  aroused  until  about  February 
1992.  At  that  tiae  the  invcicss  accompunying  a  number  of  packages 
reflected  that  they  contained  firearm  parts  and  accessories  as  well 
as  various  chemicals.  He  stated  that  in  May  1992,  a  package  which 
was  addressed  to  tha  "Mag  Bag"  accidently  broke  open  while  it  wee 
being  loaded  on  his  delivery  truck.  He  saw  that  it  contained  three 
other  boxes  the  contents  of  which  ware  "pineapple"  type  hand 
grenades  which  he  believed  to  be  inert.  He  stated  that  there  were 
about  fifty  of  the  grenades  and  that  he  later  delivered  them  to  the 
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depicted  in  the  photograph  labeled  "Attachment  B",  with  the  main 
residential  structure  being  depicted  in   "Attachment  c." 

Mr.  Gilbreath  stated  that  these  auspicioua  pac)cageB  were  usually 
addressed  to  the  "Mag  Bag"  or  to  David  Koresh.  When  ha  would  stop 
to  deliver  them  to  the  "Mag  Bag",  he  was  met  most  of  the  time  by 
Woodrow  Kendrick,  and  on  other  occasions  by  Steve  Schneider.  They 
would  have  him  wait  while  they  telephoned  the  Mount  Carmel  center 
to  tell  them  that  UPS  was  coning  with  a  C.O.D.  package.  He  would 
be  instructed  to  take  the  package (s)  to  the  Mount  Carmel  Center. 
Upon  arriving  at  the  Mount  Carmel  Center,  he  was  usually  met  by 
Perry  Jones  or,  on  occasion,  by  Steve  Schneider,  who  would  pay  the 
C.O.D.   charges   in  cash  and  would  accept  delivery  of  the  shipments. 

On  this  same  date,  June  8,  1992,  I  interviewed  Glen  Deruiter, 
Manager,  Sarco  Inc.,  Stirling,  New  Jersey,  and  learned  from  him 
that  in  Hay  of  1992,  their  company  shipped  one  M-16  parts  set  kit 
with  a  sling  and  magazine  to  the  "Mag-Bag"  in  the  name  of  David 
Koresh.      The  total   value  of  these   items  was   $264.95. 

Also  on  June  8,  1992,  I  Interviewed  Cynthia  Aleo,  owner /Manager, 
Nesard  Gun  Parts  Company,  Harrington,  Illinois,  and  learned  from 
her  that  in  May  of  1992,  her  conpany  shipped  to  the  "Mag-Bag",  two 
(2)  M-16  machinegun  car  kits  and  two  (2)  M-16  machinegun  E2  kits. 
These  kits  contain  all  the  parts  of  an  M-16  machinegun,  except  for 
the  lover  receiver  unit  which  is  the  "firearm"  by  lawful 
definition.  Ms.  Aleo  stated  that  the  total  amount  of  sales  to  the 
Mag-Bag  was  $1227.00.  Within  the  past  month,  I  have  spoken  with 
Curtis  Bartlett,  Firearms  Technician  with  BATF  and  have  learned 
that  Nesard  Company  has  been  under  investigation  in  the  past  by  ATT 
for  engaging  in  a  scheme  to  supply  parts  which  would  enable 
individuals  to  construct  illegal  weapons  from  various  component 
parts. 

On  June  9,  1992.  I  requested  that  a  search  of  the  records  of  the 
National  Firearms  Registration  and  Transfer  Record,  Washington, 
D.C.,  to  determine  if  Vernon  w.  Howell  and/or  Paul  G.  Fatta,  one  of 
Howell's  closest  followers,  had  any  roachinegxins  or  other  NFA 
weapons  registered  to  them.     The  result  of  the  search  was  negative. 

On  this  same  date,  June  9,  1992,  I  requested  a  search  of  the 
records  of  the  Firearms  Licensing  Section  of  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol, 
Tobacco  and  Firearms,  Atlanta,  Georgia,  to  determine  if  Howell, 
Fatta  or  the  "Mag-Bag"  Corporation  were  licensed  as  Firearms 
dealers  or  manufacturers.     The  result  of  this  search  was  negative. 

On  June  10,  1992,  I  requested  a  search  of  the  records  of  the 
Firearms  Licensing  Section  of  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and 
Firearms,  Atlanta,  Georgia,  to  determine  if  David  Koresh,  Howell's 
alias  name,  or  David  M.  Jones,  a  known  associate  of  Howell,  were 
licensed  as  Firearms  dealers  or  manufacturers.  The  result  of  this 
search   was    negative. 


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On  June  23,  1992,  I  spoKe  with  ATF  compliance  Inspector  Robert 
Souza,  Seattle,  Waehington,  who  inquired  about  the  Mag  Baq 
Corporation,  Route  7,  Box  555,  Waco,  Texas.  He  had  reeaived  some 
invoices  reflecting  a  large  quantity  of  upper  receivers  and  AR-is 
parts  being  shipped  to  "Mag  Bag",  Waco,  Texas,  from  Olyapic  Anas 
Inc.,  624  Old  Pacific  Hwy.,  s.E.  Olynpia,  Washington.  Inspector 
Souza  faxed  me  copies  of  invoices,  reflecting  purchaaaa  of  twenty 
(20)  AR-15  upper  receiver  units  with  barrels  by  the  "Mag  Bag"  on 
March  26th  and  30th,  1992.  These  items  are  in  addition  to  the 
items  referred  to  above. 

As  a  result  of  ny  investigation  of  shipments  to  Hovell/Koresh  and 
Mike  Schroeder  at  the  "Mag-Bag"  Corporation,  Waco,  Texas,  through 
the  United  Parcel  Service,  and  the  inspection  of  the  firearms 
records  of  Henry  McMahon,  dba,  Hewitt  Hand  Guns,  Hewitt,  Texas,  I 
have  learned  that  they  acquired  during  1992.  the  following  firearms 
and  related  explosive  paraphernalia: 

One  hundred  four  (104),  AR-15/M-16,  upper  receiver  groups  with 

barrels. 

Eight  thousand,  one  hundred  (8,100)  rounds  of  9nffl  and  .223 

caliber  ammunition  for  AR-15/M-16. 

Twenty  (20),  one  hundred  round  capacity  drum  magazines  for  AX- 

47  rifles. 

Two  hundred  sixty  (260),  M-16/AR-15,  magazines. 

Thirty  (30)  M-14,  magazines. 

TWO  (2)  M-16  EZ  )cits. 

Two  (2)  M-16  Car  Kits. 

One  M<-76  grenade  launcher. 

Two  hundred  (200)  M-31.  practice  rifle  grenades. 

Four  (4)  M-16  parts  set  Kits  "A". 

TWO  (2)  flare  launchers. 

TWO  cases,  (approximately  50)  inert  practice  hand  grenades. 

40-50  pounds  of  black  gim  powder. 

Thirty  (3  0)  pounds  of  Potassium  Nitrate. 

Five  (5)  pounds  of  Magnesium  metal  powder. 

One  pound  of  Igniter  cord.  (A  class  c  explosive) 

Ninety-one  (91)  AR/15  lower  receiver  units. 

Twenty-six  (26)  various  calibers  and  brands  of  hand  guns  and 

long  qruns. 

90  pounds  of  aluminum  metal  powder. 

30-40  cardboard  tubes. 

The  amount  of  expenditures  for  the  above  listed  firearm 
paraphernalia,  excluding  the  (91)  AR-15  lower  receiver  units  and 
the  (26)  complete  firearms,  was  in  excess  of  $44,300. 

From  my  investigation,  I  have  learned  that  a  number  of  shipments  to 
the  "Mag-Bag"  have  been  from  vendors  with  questionable  trade 
practices.  One  is  presently  under  investigation  by  the  Bureau  of 
Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms,  for  violations  of  the  National 


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Fireann«  Act,  which  prohibits  unlawful  possession  of  machineouns 
silencers,  destructive  devices,  and  raachinegun  conversion  kits.  ' 

Because  of  the  sensitivity  of  this  investigation,  these  vendors 
have  not  bean  contacted  by  me  for  copies  of  invoices  indicating  the 
exact  iteos  shipped  to  the  Mag-Bag. 

On  November  13,  1992,  I  interviewed  Lieutenant  Coy  Jones,  McLennan 
county  Sheriff's  Department,  Waco,  Texas,  and  learned  froo  hia  that 
he  had  spoken  with  an  employee  of  the  United  Parcel  Service,  Waco, 
Texas,  Who  wished  to  remain  anonymous.  This  person  told  Jones  that 
Marshal  Keith  Butler,  a  relative  of  the  person  who  wishes  to  remain 
anonymous,  is  a  nachinist  by  trade,  and  is  associated  with  Vernon 
Howell. 

The  records  of  the  Texas  Department  of  Public  Safety  reflect  that 
Butler  has  been  arrested  on  seven  (7)  occasions  since  1984  for 
unlawful  possession  of  drugs.  Two  of  the  arrests  resulted  in 
convictions  for  possession  of  a  controlled  substance.  Butler's 
latest  arrest  and  conviction  was  in  January  1992.  Butler  received 
a  sentence  of  three  (3)  years  in  the  Texas  Department  of 
Corrections.  In  April  1992  Butler  was  paroled  to  McLennan  county, 
Texas. 

On  November  13,  1992,  I  Interviewed  Terry  Fuller,  a  deputy  sheriff 
for  the  McLennan  county  Sheriff's  Department,  Waco,  Texas,  and 
learned  from  him  that  on  November  6,  1992,  at  approximately  1:2S 
p.m. ,  while  on  routine  patrol  in  the  area  of  the  Mount  carmel 
Center,  the  property  controlled  by  Vernon  Howell,  he  heard  a  loud 
explosion  in  the  area  of  the  north  part  of  the  Mount  Carmel 
property.  As  he  drove  toward  the  area  where  he  thought  the 
explosion  had  occurred,  he  observed  a  large  cloud  of  grey  smoke 
dissipating  from  ground  level  on  the  north  end  of  the  Mount  carmel 
property. 

On  December  7,  1992,  I  spoke  with  Special  Agent  Carlos  Torres, 
Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms,  Houston,  Texas,  who  had 
been  assisting  me  in  a  portion  of  this  investigation.  He  related 
to  me  the  results  of  his  interview  on  DeceoJaer  4,  1992,  with  Joyce 
Sparks,  Texas  Department  of  Human  Services,  Waco,  Texas.  Special 
Agent  Torres  told  ne  that  Ms.  Sparks  received  a  complaint  from 
outside  the  State  of  Texas,  that  David  Koresh  was  operating  a 
commune  type  compound,  and  that  he  was  sexually  abusing  yoting 
girls.  Ms.  Sparks  stated  that  on  February  27,  1992,  she  along  with 
two  other  employaas  of  the  Texas  Department  of  Human  services  and 
two  McLennan  County  Sheriff's  Deputies  responded  to  the  complaint. 
They  went  to  the  Mount  Carmel  Center  compound  located  east  of  Waco 
in  McLennan  County.  When  they  arrived  at  the  compound,  they  were 
raet  by  a  lady  who  identified  herself  as  Rachel  Koresh,  the  wife  of 
David  Koresh. 


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Mrs.  Koresh  was  reluctant  to  tal)c  with  Ms.  Sparks  because  David 
Koresh  was  not  there.  She  had  strict  orders  from  him  not  to  talk 
with  anyone  unless  he  was  present.  Ms.  Sparks  finally  was  ablo  to 
convince  Mrs.  Koresh  to  allow  her  to  talk  with  some  of  the 
children  who  were  present,  she  talked  to  a  youn?  boy  about  7  or  8 
years  old.  The  child  said  that  ha  could  not  wait  to  grow  up  and  be 
a  man.  when  Ms.  Sparks  asked  hin  why  he  was  in  such  a  hurry  to 
grow  up,  he  replied  that  when  he  grew  up  he  would  get  a  "long  gun* 
just  like  all  the  other  aen  there,  when  Ms.  Sparks  pursued  the 
subject,  the  boy  told  her  that  all  the  adults  had  guns  and  that 
they  were  always  practicing  with  then. 

Ms.  Sparks  also  told  Special  Agent  Torres  that  she  was  escorted 
thorough  part  of  the  building  where  she  noted  a  lot  of  construction 
being  performed.  She  also  said  that  she  could  not  detenaina  how 
many  people  ware  in  the  group,  but  estimated  about  sixty  (60)  to 
seventy  (70)  people  there  including  men,  women  and  children.  She 
stated  that  she  saw  about  IS  to  20  adult  males  there. 

MS.  Sparks  also  said  that  on  April  6,  1992,  she  visited  the 
compound  again.  On  this  occasion  she  talked  with  David  Koresh. 
She  asked  Koresh  about  the  firearms  which  she  had  been  told  by  the 
small  child.  Koresh  admitted  that  there  were  a  few  firearms  there, 
but  said  that  most  of  the  adults  did  not  know  of  them,  and  that 
there  were  too  few  to  be  of  any  significance.  Ms.  Sparks  said  that 
when  she  pressed  Koresh  about  the  firearms  and  their  looatlon  at 
the  compound,  he  offered  to  show  her  around.  He  requested  that  she 
wait  about  3  0  minutes  until  he  could  get  the  other  residents  out  of 
the  building  so  they  would  not  see  where  he  had  the  firearas 
stored.  After  a  period  of  time,  Ms.  Sparks  was  escorted  through 
part  of  the  building  by  Koresh.  She  noted  that  there  was  more 
construction  activity  and  that  the  inside  of  the  structure  looked 
quite  different  from  her  previous  visit.  Each  time  Ms.  Sparks 
asked  Koresh  about  the  location  of  the  firearms,  he  would  tell  her 
that  they  ware  in  a  safe  place  where  the  children  could  not  get  to 
them.   He  then  would  change  the  subject. 

MS.  spiurks  said  that  she  noticed  a  trap  door  in  the  floor  at  one 
and  of  the  building.  When  she  inquired  about  it,  Koresh  allowed 
her  to  look  into  the  trap  door.  She  could  see  a  ladder  leading 
down  into  a  buried  school  bus  from  which  all  the  seats  had  been 
removed.  At  one  and  of  the  bus  she  could  see  a  very  large 
refrigerator  with  numerous  bullet  holes.  She  also  saw  three  long 
guns  lying  on  the  floor  of  the  bus,  however,  she  did  not  know  the 
make  or  caliber  of  them,  she  stated  that  there  was  no  electricity 
in  the  bus.  Everything  she  saw  was  with  the  aid  of  a  pen  light. 
When  questioned  by  Ms.  sparks,  Koresh  said  that  the  bus  was  where 
he  practiced  his  target  shooting  in  order  not  to  disturb  his 
neighbors. 

Ms.  sparks  felt  the  entire  walk  through  the  compound  was  staged  for 
her  by  Koresh.  When  she  asked  to  speak  with  some  of  the  children 


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and  other  residents,  Koresh  refused,  stating  thev  war*  nni- 
available.  She  said  that  during  her  conversation  with  Koresh  ha 
told  her  that  he  was  the  "Messenger"  from  God,  that  the  world 'wal 
coning  to  an  end,  and  that  when  he  "reveals"  himself  the  riots  In 
Los  Angeles  would  pale  in  comparison  to  what  was  going  to  happen  in 
Waco,  Texas.  Koresh  stated  that  it  would  be  a  "military  tvoe 
operation"  and  that  all  the  "non-believers"  would  have  to  suffer. 

On  December  11,  1992,  I  interviewed  Robyn  Bunds  in  LaVeme, 
California.  Robyn  Bunds  is  a  former  member  and  resident  of  Vamon 
Howell's  commune  in  Waco,  Texas.  She  told  me  that  in  1988,  at  the 
age  of  19,  she  gave  birth  to  a  son  who  was  fathered  by  Vernon 
Howell.  Her  departure  from  the  commune  in  1990  was  a  result  of 
Howell  becoming  progressively  more  violent  and  abusive. 

While  Bhe  was  there,  she  and  the  other  residents  were  subjected  to 
watching  extremely  violont  movies  of  the  Vietnam  war  which  Howell 
would  refer  to  as  training  films.  Howell  forced  members  to  stand 
guard  of  the  commune  2  4  hours  a  day  with  loaded  weapons.  Howell 
always  was  in  possession  of  firearms  and  kept  one  under  his  bad 
while  sleeping.  Robyn  stated  that  her  present  residence  in 
California  belonged  to  her  parents.  For  a  period  of  several  years 
Howell  had  exclusive  control  of  the  residence  and  used  it  for  other 
members  of  his  cult  when  they  ware  in  California.  It  was  later 
relinquished  by  Howell  to  Robyn 's  mother.  In  June  1992,  while  she 
was  cleaning  one  of  the  bedrooms  of  the  residence  she  found  a 
plastic  bag  containing  gun  parts.  She  showed  them  to  her  brother, 
David  Bunds,  who  has  some  knowledge  of  firearms.  Ha  told  her  that 
it  was  a  machinegun  conversion  kit.  She  stored  ths  gun  parts  in 
her  garage  because  she  felt  certain  that  Howall  would  sand  soma  of 
his  followers  to  pick  them  up.  Subsequent  to  her  discovery  of  the 
conversion  kit,  Paul  Fatta,  Jimmy  Riddle,  and  Naal  Vaaga,  all 
reambars  of  Howell's  cult  and  residents  of  the  commune  in  Waco,  came 
from  Waco,  Texaa,  to  California  and  picked  up  the  conversion  kit. 

On  December  12,  1992,  I  interviewed  Jeannine  Bunds,  the  mother  of 
Robyn  and  David  Bunds.  She  told  me  that  she  was  a  former  masiber  of 
Howell's  group  in  Waco,  Texas,  having  left  there  in  September  1991. 
She  is  a  registered  nurse  and  was  working  in  that  capacity  at  the 
Good  Samaritan  Hospital,  Los  Angeles,  California.  While  at 
Howell's  commune  in  Waco,  she  participated  in  live  fire  shooting 
exercises  conducted  by  Howell.  she  saw  several  long  guns  there, 
soma  of  which  she  described  aa  AX-4  7  rifles.  Mrs.  Bunds  described 
the  weapon  to  ne  and  was  able  Identify  an  AK-47  from  among  a  number 
of  photographs  of  firearms  shown  to  her  by  me.  I  believe  that  she 
is  well  able  to  identify  an  AX-47.  In  July  of  1991,  she  saw  Hovail 
shooting  a  machinegun  on  the  back  portion  of  the  commune  property. 
She  Knew  it  was  a  machinegun  bacauae  it  functioned  with  a  very 
rapid  fire  and  would  tear  up  the  ground  when  Howell  shot  it.  Mrs. 
Bunds  also  told  me  that  Howall  had  fathered  at  leaat  fifteen  (15) 
children  from  various  women  and  young  girls  at  the  compound.  Some 
of  the  girls  who  had  babies  fathered  by  Howell  ware  as  young  as  12 


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years  old.  Sh«  had  personally  delivered  seven  (7)  ©t  thes 
children. 

According  to  Ms.  Bunds,  Howell  annuls  all  marriages  of  couples  wh 
join  his  cult.  He  then  has  exclusive  sexual  access  to  the  woaer 
He  also,  according  to  Mrs.  Bunds,  has  regular  sexual  relations  wit 
young  girls  there.  The  girls'  ages  are  from  eleven  (11)  years  ol 
to  adulthood. 

On  January  6,  1993,  I  interviewed  Jeannine  Bunds  again  in  Lc 
Angeles,  California.  I  shoved  her  several  photographs  of  firears 
and  explosives  devices.  She  identified  an  AR-IS  rifle  and 
pineapple  type  hand  grenade  as  being  items  which  she  had  seen  e 
the  Mount  Carmel  Center  while  she  was  there.  She  stated  that  sh 
saw  several  of  the  AR-iS  rifles  and  at  least  one  of  the  har 
grenades. 

On  January  7,  1993,  i  interviewed  Deborah  Sue  Bunds  in  Los  Angelas 
California.   She  was  the  wife  of  David  Bunds,  and  she  had  been 
member  of  the  "Branch  Davidian"  since  birth.  She  stated  she  fir: 
met  Vernon  Wayne  Howell  in  July  1980.    When  Howell  assuBc 
leadership  of  the  "Branch"  in  Waco,  Texas,  in  1987,  he  began  t 
change  the  context  of  their  Doctrine.  While  she  was  at  the  Houi 
Camel  compound  in  Waco,  Texas,  she  was  assigned,  under  Howell' 
direction,  to  guard  duty  with  a  loaded  weapon.   About  Februu 
1989,  she  observed  Howell  shooting  a  machinegun  behind  the 
main  structure  of  the  compound.   She  is  sure  the  firearm  was 
machinegun  because  of  the  rapid  rate  of  fire  and  the  rate  of  fii 
was  much  different  from  that  which  was  usually  conducted  durii 
practice  exercises  on  the  compound.  After  describing  the  firing  c 
this  weapon  to  me,  I  believe  that  Ms.  Bunds  was  describing  t) 
firing  of  an  automatic  weapon. 

Mrs.  Deborah  Bunds  also  told  me  that  during  an  evening  meal  a  sho] 
time  after  having  seen  Howell  shoot  the  machinegun,  she  overheai 
Howell  and  his  closest  associates  discussing  machineguns.  Howe, 
was  very  excited  about  having  a  machinegun.  He  voiced  a  desire  1 
acquire  additional  machineguns,  specifically  AX-47  tyj 
machineguns. 

Dviring  this  investigation  I  made  inquiries  of  a  number  of  1< 
enforcement  data  bases  for  information  about  those  commui 
residents  who  I  have  been  able  to  identify.  Through  TECS  I  learm 
that  some  forty  (40)  foreign  nationals  from  Jamaica,  Uniti 
Kingdom,  Israel,  Australia  and  New  Zealand  have  entered  the  Unit< 
States  at  various  times  in  the  past  and  have  used  the  address  < 
the  Mount  Carmel  center,  Waco,  Texas,  as  their  point  of  conta< 
while  here.  According  to  INS  records  most  of  these  forei' 
nationals  have  over  stayed  their  entry  permits  or  visas  and  a 
therefore  illegally  in  the  united  states.  I  )cnow  that  it  is 
violation  of  Title  18,  United  States  Code,  Section  922  for 
illegal  alien  to  receive  a  firearm. 

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on  January  1,  and  January  3,  1993,  Mrs.  Poia  Vaega  of  Mangora 
Auckland,  Naw  Zealand,  was  interviewed  telephonicaily  by  Reaiden 
Agent  in  Charge  Bill  Buford,  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  an< 
Fircanna,  Little  RocK,  Arkanaaa,  who  also  is  assisting  ne  in  thi 
investigation.  The  results  of  Special  Agent  Buford '8  interview  o 
January  i,  1993,  was  reduced  to  writing  and  furnished  to  ma 
Special  Agent  Buford 'a  interview  on  January  3,  1993,  was  tap 
recorded  with  the  permission  of  Poia  Vaega  and  has  since  bee 
transcribed  and  typewritten.  Both  the  tape  recording  and  tb 
transcription  was  furnished  to  me  by  Special  Agent  Buford.  Bot 
interviewa  with  Poia  Vaega  revealed  a  false  imprisonment  for  a  tar 
of  three  and  one  half  (3  1/2)  months  which  began  in  June  of  199 
and  physical  and  sexual  abuse  of  one  of  Hrs.  Vaega 'B  sisteri 
Doreen  Saipaia.  This  was  while  she  was  a  member  of  the  "Branc 
Davidian"  ac  the  Mount  Carael  Center,  Waco,  Texas.  The  physica 
and  sexual  abuse  was  done  by  Vernon  Wayne  Howell  and  Stanla 
Sylvia,  a  close  follower  of  Howell,  on  several  occasions. 

It  was  learned  from  Mrs.  Vaega  that  she  and  her  husband,  Leslie 
were  also  members  of  Howell *s  group  in  Waco  for  a  short  period  c 
time  in  March  1990.  Upon  their  arrival  at  Mount  cannel  Center,  s^ 
and  her  husband  were  separated  and  not  allowed  to  sleep  together  c 
have  any  sexual  contact. 

According  to  Mrs.  Vaega,  all  the  girls  and  women  at  the  coapour 
were  exclusively  reserved  for  Howell.  She  stated  that  Howell  wouJ 
preach  hia  philosophy,  which  did  not  always  coincide  with  tl 
Bible,  for  hours  at  a  tiae.  She  and  her  husband  left  the  compour 
after  ten  (10)  days  because  her  husband  did  not  agree  with  Howell' 
doctrine,  but  that  her  two  eisters  stayed  behind. 

Mrs.  Vaega  also  related  that  she  was  present  at  one  of  the  stuc 
periods  held  by  Howell  when  Howell  passed  his  personal  AK-- 
machinegxin  around  for  the  group  to  handle  and  look  over. 

on  January  6,  1993,  I  received  the  results  of  an  examinatii 
conducted  by  Jerry  A.  Taylor,  Explosives  Enforcement  Office; 
Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  FirearBS,  walnut  CreeJc,  Calif oml. 
in  response  to  a  request  from  me  to  render  an  opinion  on  devi' 
deeign,  construction,  functioning,  effects,  and  classification  ■ 
explosives  materials  which  have  been  accumulated  by  Howell  and  h 
followers.    Mr.   Taylor  has   received  axteneive  training 
Explosives  Classification,  Identification  and  rendering  safe 
explosive  devices  and  has  been  recognizad  on  numerous  occasions 
an  expert  witness  in  Federal  Court.   Mr.  Taylor  stated  that  t 
chemicals  Potaeaiua  Nitrate,  Aluminum,  and  Magnesium,  when  mixed 
the  proper  proportions,  do  constitute  an  explosive  as  defined 
Federal  law.  He  further  stated  that  Igniter  cord  is  an  explosiv 
Also  Mr.  Taylor  stated  that  the  inert  pracrice  rifle  grenades  a 
hand  grenades  would,   if  modified  as  weapons  with  the  par 
available  to  Howell,  become  explosivee  devices  as  defined 
Federal  law.   Finally  he  stated  that  black  powder,  is  routine 

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used  as  th«  main  charts  when  manufacturing  improvised  exploBiv* 
weapons  such  as  grenades  and  pipe  bombs.  I  know  that  Title  26 
United  States  Code,  Section  5845  makes  it  unlawful  for  a  person  tc 
possess  any  combination  of  parts  designed  or  intended  for  use  i: 
converting  any  device  into  a  destructive  device.  The  definition  oi 
"firearm"  includes  any  combination  of  parts,  either  designed  oi 
intended  for  use  in  converting  any  device  into  a  destructive  devicf 
such  as  a  grenade,  and  from  which  a  destructive  device  may  b( 
readily  assembled.  See  Dntf  d  states  v.  Price.  877  F.2d  334  (5U 
Cir.  1989) .  SO  long  as  an  individual  possesses  all  of  thi 
component  parts,  item  constitutes  a  destructive  device  even  though 
it  is  not  assembled,  so  long  as  it  can  be  readily  assembled. 
Onited  Btafs  v.  T^npay\^,  468  F.Supp.  322  (D.C.  Tex.  1979). 

on  January  8,  1993,  r  interviewed  Marc  Breault  in  Los  Angeles, 
California.  He  is  an  American  citizen  who  lives  in  Australia  with 
his  wife  Elizabeth.  He  was  once  a  member  of  the  "Branch  Davidlan* 
in  Waco,  Texas.  He  lived  at  the  Mount  Carmel  Center  from  aarl> 
1988  until  September  1989.  While  there  he  participated  in  physicaJ 
training  and  firearm  shooting  exercises  conducted  by  Howell.  He 
stood  guard  armed  with  a  loaded  weapon.  Guard  duty  was  maintainec 
twenty-four  (24)  hours  a  day  seven  (7)  days  a  week.  Those  who  stooc 
guard  duty  were  instructed  by  Howell  to  "shoot  to  kill"  anyone  whc 
attempted  to  come  through  the  entrance  gate  of  the  Mount  CarseJ 
property.  On  one  occasion,  Hovsll  told  him  that  he  wanted  tc 
obtain  and/ or  manufacture  macbineguns ,  grenades  and  explosive 
devices.  Howell  stated  he  thought  that  the  gun  control  lavs  were 
ludicrous,  because  an  individual  could  easily  acquire  a  fireara  and 
the  necessary  paurts  to  convert  it  to  a  maohinegun,  but  if  a  persor 
had  the  g\m  and  the  parts  together  they  would  be  in  violation  ot 
the  law.  On  another  occasion,  Howell  told  him  that  ha  wet 
interested  in  acquiring  the  "Anarchist's  Cook  Book",  which  I  )cnoii 
is  a  publication  outlining  clandestine  operations  to  include 
instructions  and  formulas  for  manufacturing  improvised  explosive 
devices. 

On  January  12,  1993,  I  spoke  with  Special  Agent  Earl  Dunagan, 
Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms,  Austin,  Texas,  who  it 
assisting  me  in  this  investigation.  He  related  the  results  of  hie 
inquiry  to  the  ATF  Fireatve  Technology  Branch,  Washington,  D.C, 
for  an  opinion  concerning  the  firearms  parts  which  have  beer 
accumulated  by  Howell  and  his  group.  Special  Agent  Dunagan  stated 
that  he  had  spoken  with  Curtis  Bartlett,  Firearms  Enforceaent 
Officer,  Washington,  D.C,  and  was  told  by  Officer  Bartlett  that 
the  firearms  parts  which  Howell  has  received  and  the  method  by 
which  he  has  received  them,  is  consistent  with  activities  in  othez 
ATF  investigations  in  various  parts  of  the  United  States,  whicl*. 
have  resulted  in  the  discovery  and  seizure  of  machineguns.  Mr. 
Bartlett  stated  that  the  firearms  parts  received  by  Howell  could  be 
used  to  assemble  both  semi-automatic  firearms  and  machineguns.  He 
has  examined  many  firearms  which  had  been  assembled  as  machinegune 
which  included  these  type  parts. 

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Mr.  Bartlett  also  told  Special  Agent  Dunagan  that  one  of  the 
vendors  of  supplies  to  Howell  has  been  the  subject  of  several  ATF 
investigations  in  the  past.  ATF  executed  a  search  warrant  at  this 
company  and  had  seized  a  number  of  illegal  machinagune  and 
silencers. 

Special  Agent  Dunagan  told  ne  that  on  January  12,  1993,  he  spoXe 
with  Special  Agent  MarJc  Mutz,  ATF^  Waehington,  D.C.,  who  was  the 
case  agent  on  the  above  ongoing  inveatigatlon  dealing  with  the 
illicit  supplier  who  has  provided  qxxn  parts  to  Howell.  Special 
Agent  Mutz  stated  that  during  the  execution  of  the  Federal  search 
warrant  at  the  company's  office  in  South  Carolina,  he  saw  lar^e 
quantities  of  M-16  raachinegun  and  AK-47  machinegun  parts.  The 
company  naintained  their  inventory  of  these  parts  as  "replacement 
parts*  so  they  fell  easily  within  a  loophole  in  the  Federal  lav 
which  prohibited  ATF  from  seiting  the  parts.  Special  Agent  Mutz 
stated  that  the  company  had  all  the  nacesaary  parts  to 
convert  AR-15  rifles  and  semi-automatic  AK-47  rifles  into 
machineguns  if  their  customers  had  the  upper  and  lower  receivers 
for  those  firearms.  Based  on  my  investigation,  as  stated  above  in 
the  daocription  of  gun  parrs  shipped  to  Howell,  I  know  that  Howell 
possesBea  the  upper  and  lower  receivers  for  the  firearms  which  he 
is  apparently  trying  to  convert  to  fully  automatic. 

Mr.  Bartlett  told  me  that  another  one  of  the  vendors  of  supplies  to 
Howell,  Neeard  Gun  Parts  Co.,  27  W.  990  Industrial  Rd.  ,  Barrington, 
111.,  has  also  been  the  subject  of  an  ATF  investigation.  Officer 
of  that  company,  Gerald  Craysen  Cynthia  Aleo  and  Anthony  Aleo  all 
pled  guilty  to  ATF  charges.  The  Naeard  Co.,  which  owned  Sendra 
Corporation,  was  shipping  AR-15  receivers  through  the  Sendra  Corp., 
along  with  part  kits  from  the  Neeard  Co.  When  these  parts  are 
assembled  it  resulted  in  the  manufacture  of  a  short  barrelled 
rifle.  Even  though  the  above  subjects  are  convicted  felons  they 
continue  to  conduct  business  because  the  Neeard  Gun  Parts  Co. , 
distributes  gun  parts  and  not  firearms. 

On  January  25,  1993,  I  interviewed  David  Block  in  Los  Angeles, 
California.  He  stated  that  he  was  a  meniber  of  Howell's  cult  at  the 
Mount  carael  Center,  Waco,  Texaa,  from  March  1992,  until  June  13, 
1992.  During  the  time  he  was  there,  he  attended  two  Cun  Shows  with 
Vernon  Howell,  Mike  Schroeder,  Paul  Fatta.  and  Henry  HcMahon  who  is 
a  Federally  licensed  firearms  dealer.  The  gun  shove  were  in 
Houeton  and   San  Antonio,   Texas. 

While  at  the  Mount  Carmel  Center  he  saw  a  metal  lathe  and  a  metal 
Billing  machine  which  were  normally  operated  by  Donald  Bunds  and 
Jeff  Little.  Donald  Bunds,  a  mechanical  engineer,  has  the 
capability  to  fabricate  firearm  parts,  according  to  Block.  On  one 
occasion  at  the  Mount  Carmel  Center,  he  observed  Bunds  designing, 
what  Bunds  described  as  a  "grease  gun/stan  gun"  on  an  Auto  Cad 
Computer  located  at  the  residence  building  at  the  compound.  The 
computer    has    the    capability    of     displaying    a    three    dimensional 

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rendering  of  objects  on  a  computer  monitor  screen.  The  object 
appeared  to  be  a  cylindrical  tube  with  a  slot  cut  into  the  side  of 
it  for  a  bolt  cocking  lever.  Bunds  told  him  that  Howell  wanted 
Bunds  to  design  a  "grease  gun"  which  they  could  manufacture. 
Mr.  Block  told  me  that  on  another  occasion  at  the  Mount  Cannel 
Center  he  saw  Donald  Bunds  designing  a  template  which  Bunds 
explained  was  to  fit  around  the  "grease  gun"  tubes  indicating  where 
the  bolt  lever  slots  were  to  be  milled  out.  This  was  another  step 
In  manufacturing  "grease  guna"  which  had  been  requested  by  Howell. 
I  know  that  a  "greaae  gun"  is  a  nachinegun  following  after  the 
design  of  a  World  War  II  era  military  weapon. 

During  hie  time  at  the  Mount  Carmel  Center  Mr.  Block  was  present 
several  occasions  when  Howell  would  ask  if  anyone  had  any  knowledge 
about  making  hand  grenades  or  converting  semi-automatic  rifles  to 
machineguns.  At  one  point  he  also  heard  discussion  about  a 
Bhipment  of  inert  hand  grenades  and  Howell's  intent  to  reactivate 
them.  Mr.  Block  stated  that  he  observed  at  the  compound  published 
magazines  such  as,  the  "Shotgun  Newe"  and  other  related  clandestine 
magazines.  He  heard  extensive  talk  of  the  existence  of  the 
"Anarchist  Cook  Book". 

Mr.  Block  told  me  that  he  observed  a  .50  caliber  rifle  mounted  on 
a  bi-pod  along  with  .50  caliber  asmunition.  However,  what  Mr. 
Block  described  to  ATF  Agents,  was  a  British  Boys,  .52  caliber, 
anti-tank  rifle  (a  destructive  device).  Mr.  Block  further  stated 
that  he  also  heard  talk  of  the  existence  of  two  additional  .50 
caliber  riflee  on  the  compound.  There  wee  also  extensive  talk 
about  converting  the  .50  caliber  rifles  and  other  rifles  to 
machineguns . 

Mr.  Block  also  told  roe  that  he  met  James  Paul  Jones  from  Redding, 
California,  who  was  visiting  the  Mount  Carmel  Center  in  April  or 
May  of  1992.  According  to  Howell,  Jones  was  a  firearms  and 
explosives  expert. 

On  February  22,  1993,  Axr  Special  Agent  Robert  Rodriguez  told  me 
that  on  February  21,  1993,  while  acting  in  an  undercover  capacity, 
he  was  contacted  by  David  Koresh  and  was  invited  to  the  Mount 
Carmel  compound.  Special  Agent  Rodriguez  accepted  the  invitation 
and  met  with  David  Koresh  inside  the  compound.  Vernon  Howell,  also 
known  as  David  Koresh  played  music  on  a  guitar  for  30  minutes  and 
then  began  to  read  the  Bible  to  Special  Agent  Rodriguez.  During 
this  session.  Special  Agent  Rodriguez  was  asked  numerous  questions 
about  his  life.  After  answering  all  the  questions  Special  Agent 
Rodriguez  was  asked  to  attend  a  two  week  Bible  session  with  David 
Koresh.  This  was  for  Special  Agent  Rodriguez  to  learn  the  7  Seals 
and  become  a  member  of  the  group.  Special  Agent  Rodriguez  was  told 
that  by  becoming  a  member  he  (Rodriguez)  was  going  to  be  watched 
and  disliked.  David  Koresh  stated  that  Special  Agent  Rodriguez 
would  be  disliked  because  the  Government  did  not  consider  the  group 
religious  and  that  he  (Koresh)  did  not  pay  taxes  or  local  taxes 

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because  he  felt  he  did  not  have  to.  David  Koreah  toid  SDeeial 
Agent  Rodriguet  that  ha  believed  in  the  right  to  bear  arms  but  that 
the  U.S.  Government  was  going  to  take  away  that  right.  David 
Koreeh  aaked  Special  Agent  Rodriguez  if  he  )cnew  that  if  he 
(Rodriguer)  purchaeed  a  drop-in-Sear  for  an  AR-15  rifle  it  would 
not  be  illegal,  but  if  he  (Rodriguez)  had  an  AR-15  rifle  with  the 
Sear  that  it  would  be  against  the  law.  David  Koresh  stated-  that 
the  Sear  could  be  purchaeed  legally.  David  Koresh  stated  that  the 
Bible  gave  hia  the  right  to  bear  anna.  David  Koreah  then  advisee 
Special  Agent  Rodriguet  tixat  he  had  aoaething  he  wanted  Special 
Agent  Rodriguet  to  see.  At  that  point  he  showed  Special  Agent 
Rodriguez  a  video  tape  on  ATP  which  was  made  by  the  Gun  Owneri 
Association  (G.O.A.).  This  fila  portrayed  ATF  as  an  agency  whe 
violated  the  rights  of  Gun  Owners  by  threats  and  liee. 

I  believe  that  Vernon  Howell,  also  known  as  David  Koresh  and/or  hij 
followers  who  reside  at  the  compound  known  locally  as  the  Mount 
Carmel  Center  are  unlawfully  manufacturing  and  possessinc 
machineguns  and  explosive  devices. 

It  has  been  oy  experience  over  the  five  years  that  I  have  been  i 
Special  Agent  for  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Fireams,  and 
that  of  other  Special  Agents  of  the  Bureau  of  Alcohol,  Tobaoco  am 
Firearms,  some  of  whom  have  the  experience  of  twenty  (20)  yeara  oi 
mora,  who  have  assisted  in  this  investigation  that  it  is  a  coaaoi 
practice  for  persons  engaged  in  the  unlawful  manufacture  am 
poaseasion  of  machinegvina  and  exploaive  devicea  to  eBplo> 
surreptitiouB  methods  and  neane  to  acquire  the  products  necessar; 
to  produce  such  items,  and  the  production,  use  and  storage  of  thosi 
items  are  usually  in  a  protected  or  secret  environment.  It  is  als( 
my  experience  that  persons  who  acquire  firearms,  firearm  parts,  am 
explosive  materials  maintain  records  of  receipt  and  ownership  o 
such  items  and  instruction  manuals  or  other  documents  explainin< 
the  methods  of  construction  of  such  unlawful  weaponry. 

At  approximately  10:00  a.m.  on  February  28,  1993,  ATF  agent 
attempted  to  execute  the  previously  ordered  search  warrant  on  th 
Howell  compound.  As  agents  entered  the  premises,  they  were  fire 
upon  with  machineguns  and  other  large  caliber  weapons.  I  wa 
personelly  present  at  the  scene  and  heard  the  machinegun  fire 
Four  ATF  agents  were  killed  and  approximately  seventeen  wer 
injured  by  gun  fire  coming  from  the  compound.  I  personally  spok 
with  Special  Agent  Bill  Buford  who  is  the  Resident  Agent  in  charg 
of  the  Little  Rock,  Arkansas  ATF  Office.  Buford,  who  was  one  o 
the  agents  on  the  assault  team  who  were  attempting  to  execute  th 
werrant,  advised  ma  that  he  wee  able  to  enter  a  portion  of  th 
Howell  compound,  and  upon  entering  he  observed  what  he  described  a 
"an  arsenal".  He  further  told  me  that,  "Everything  that  w 
suspected  to  be  in  there  was  in  there".  I  am  making  this  affidavi 
on  April  13,  1J»S,  and  state  to  the  court  that  although  I  ar 
others  have  attempted  to  execute  the  warrant  on  the  main  coapour 
location  (deecribed  above) ,  we  have  been  unable  to  search  th 

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premisea  and  retrieve  evidence  because  of  heavy  armed  resistance 

from  members  of  the  cult  group  living  at  the  compound.  On  March  S, 

1993,  special  Agent  Charles  Meyer  of  the  atp  Austin,  Texas,  office 

spoke  with  a  cooperating  individual  who  I  do  "O^^f^*^.  ^°  "*?•■; 

this  time  because  of  serious  concerns  for  the  safety  and  well  being 

of  the  said  cooperating  individual.  Meyer  and  I  believe  that  this 

individual  is  being  truthful  in  the  information  given  because  both 

Meyer  and  I  have  been  able  to  -  independently  corroborate  the 

information  received  from  thi»  individual  and  have  found  the 

information  provided  by  this  individual  to  be  extremely  accurate 

and  consisteSt  with  other  evidence  known  to  investigators  such  as 

receipts  for  firearms  and  destructive  device  components.   This 

individual  stated  that  she/he  has  lived  at  the  Howell  compound  for 

a  long  period  of  time.  This  individual  has  been  personally  present 

on  numerous  occasions  over  the  past  year,  a"d<i8  "cent  as  late 

February,  1993  when  Howell  and  others  discussed  the  conversion  of 

flrearml  from  semi-automatic  to  "achineguns.    This  individual 

stated  that  she/he  has  personally  observed  "^^-10  and  MAC-11 

firearms  located  within  the  Howell  compound  within  the  P"«  *5 

days.    Further,  this  individual  is  aware  ^'^^J^^"'".  ?•"?"!; 

observations  that  Howell  has  been  using  inert  grenadee,  blacX 

Dowder  and  fuses  to  manufacture  live  hand  grenades  (a  destructive 

dAviSi    This  individual  has  seen  these  hand  grenades  and  theii 

comionint  parts  in  the  Howell  compound  described  above  within  the 

oaSrJs  days   It  appeared  to  this  individual  that  over  the  countei 

gaJSvare  anJ  equipment  was  being  utilized  ^,'?  'nai.jif act^e  thej^ 

«^-n.dM    Witiiin  that  same  time  frame,  this  individual  hai 

Ssi^e^fireaiSL  silencer,  being  manufactured  within  the  compound. 

??"«  bef ie""by  this  individual  that  the  silencers  ««•  Jj-ign*; 

for  AR-15  rifles.  This  individual  also  observed  approximately  10 

fSIl^aitoaatlc  AR.15/M-16  -•c^in^'^,' ,«\«^i"  ?^*  fnJ''S«?gnSl 
th«  n«iit  4  5  davs.  Tactical  vests,  that  is,  clothing  designea  ti 
SJr?  firear^'^^unrtion  and  magazines,  radio  «<f  iP»«"t  *nd  oth. 
pSn^hei^ialia  w.re  observed  by  this  individual  as  "ere  polic 
scanners  in  the  past  45  days.  ^^^^her,  I  jaiow  that  Y/„7Sv 
attempting  to  execute  the  search  warrant  on  February  28.  ^»" '  "'; 
itated  that  they  observed  what  appeared  to  be  tactical  vest,  an 
bodv  armor  on  many  of  the  cult  members  who  were  ^^""^  "^T"-  ^ 
aSents    This  individual  observed  that  Howell  was  attempting  t 

Individual  within  the  compound  in  ^he  past  45  days.  Thi 
tS"  the  weapon,  th.t  "•"  "'■•"'i*'' J"Vi.t  jrw.  oM.rv.d  iS^ 

r^-^^,»,-v  2B   1993.   During  these  observations,  tney  "■^*  "■""  ^4, 

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telephone  with  Howell  and  othara  since  the  28  of  February,  when  the 
siege  of  the  compound  began.  Howell  and  others  have  stated  that 
they  (the  cult)  have  night  vieion  equipment  (believed  by  agents  to 
be  star  scopes)  .  I  )cnow  that  cellular  phones  have  been  uaed  by  the 
group  located  at  the  compound  to  communicate  both  before  and  during 
the  execution  of  the  warrant.  Phone  toll  records  indicate  this. 

On  March  2,  1993,  Katherine  Matteson,  DOB:  2/3/16,  a  "Branch 
Oavidian"  member,  who  has  been  residing  in  the  compound  in  Waco, 
Texas,  was  released  from  the  compound.  Matteson  brought  out  with 
her  some  personal  belongings,  to  include  a  notebook,  which  contains 
explicit  handwritten  notes,  of  which  I  have  reviewed.  These 
handwritten  notes  depicts  various  different  caliber  weapons  and 
ammunition.  These  notes  also  contain  instructions  on  how  to  become 
a  proficient  firearms  shooter  by  utilizing  the  proper  techniques. 
These  notes  are  so  explicit,  that  it  deecribes  how  co  utilize 
windage  when  shooting  a  weapon  and  how  one  should  mentally  prepare 
oneself  to  survive. 

On  March  9,  1993,  through  ATF  Command  Post,  Intelligence  Branch, 
Waco,  Texas,  I  received  information  from  the  ATF  Field  Division, 
Charlotte,  North  Carolina,  concerning  the  activities  of  an  FFL 
d.b.a:  Rhino/ Shooters  Equipment/Armitage  International,  et  al., 
Seneca,  S.C.  Greenville,  SC.  Special  Agents  determined  that  said 
business  had  made  eight  shipments  via  UPS  to  Oavid  Koresh,  et  al. , 
Route  7,  Box  555,  Waco,  Texas.  This  information  was  reflected  in 
UPS  activity  between  3-92  through  7-92.  A  subpoena  was 
subsequently  served  on  UPS  in  Greenville,  SC,  for  copies  of 
invoices  of  the  snipments  being  delivered  to  Vernon  W.  Howell.  The 
invoices  reflect  such  items  as  eight  (8)  FN-FAL  full  auto  Sears; 
five  (5)  M-16  bolt  carriers;  one  (1)  M-16  selector;  thirty-one  (31) 
M-16  full  auto  Soars  and  pins,  all  items  of  which  are  used  to 
convert  an  AR-15  eftmi-automatic  rifle  into  a  M-16  machinegun  rifle. 

On  March  9,  1993,  in  conjunction  with  this  on-going  investigation, 
I  was  advised  by  the  ATF  Los  Angeles,  California  Field  Division, 
that  ATF  Agents  from  the  Long  Beach,  California  Field  Office, 
executed  a  search  warrant  at  a  residence  located  at  2707  White 
Ave.,  La  Verne,  California.  This  rssidence  is  owned  by  Vernon  H. 
Howell  and  or  the  Branch  Davidians,  and  occupied  by  Branch  Davidian 
members.  As  a  result  of  this  search,  the  following  items  were 
taken  into  ATF  custody: 

1)  Correspondence  to  and  from  the  compound  in  Waco,  Texas. 

2)  Fifteen  (15)  audio  cassette  tapes,  which  contain  predisposition 
toward  violence. 

3)  Five  (3)  audio  cassette  tapes,  which  also  contain 
predisposition  toward  violence. 


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On  the  following  day.  March  10.  1993.  i  was  alec  advised  that  a 
conoent  to  search  the  garage  of  the  residence  located  at  2707  Whlt. 
Ave.,  La  Verne,  California  was  obtained  by  KIT  Agents.  As  a  result 
of  this  search,  the  following  coaponents  for  improvised  explosives 
were  recovered  and  taken  into  ATF  custody: 

1)  Sulfuric  acid. 

2)  Nitric  acid. 

3)  Baking  soda. 

4)  Saw  dus^,  mixed  with  aluainuB  powder. 

5)  Six  (6)  plastic  baggies  containing,  what  appear  to  be  dirt. 

on  March  23.  1993,  ATF  Special  Agent's  Mike  Taylor,  Dale  Littleton 
and  I,  interviewed  Henry  Stanley  McMahon  Jr..  a  Federal  Firearms 
License  Dealer,  who  at  one  time  did  business  at  909  Rosedale. 
Hewitt,  Texas.  During  this  interview,  McMahon  stated  that  Vernon 
W.  Howell  had  told  him  that  in  the  Spring  or  early  Guaaer  of  1992, 
he  had  observed  the  "ATF  S.W.A.T.  Team"  training  at  a  vacant  house 
approximately  500  yards  toward  the  compound  next  to  the  "Nag  Bag". 
McMahon  further  stated  that  Howell  had  told  him  that  this  was 
training  conducted  by  ATF  to  assault  the  compound/Mount  carmel 
property.  Howell  had  stated  to  McMahon  that  ATF  is  so  arrogant 
that  there  conducting  their  training  right  in  front  of  us  because 
ATF  wants  to  send  us  a  message  of  what  there  going  to  do  to  the 
cult  members.  This  training  exercise,  described  by  Howell  that 
took  place  in  the  Spring  of  1992,  was  confirmed  by  ATF  with  Police 
Officer  Monroe  Kelinske,  Waco  Police  Department,  as  taJclng  place 
from  March  5  through  March  9,  1992.  This  vacant  house  was  being 
utilized  by  the  Waco  Police  Department  and  other  Police  Departments 
as  a  training  facility  to  execute  warrants. 

On  April  2.  1993,  Joyce  sparks,  Investigation  Supervisor. 
Department  of  Human  Services,  Waco.  Texas,  provided  me  with  a 
narrative,  concerning  an  interview  she  had  with  a  former  cult 
member,  who  will  be  referred  to  as  the  source.  The  source  stated 
that  she  became  a  part  of  the  cult  when  she  was  about  three  or  four 
years  old.  She  also  stated  that  when  she  was  ten  years  old,  she 
was  taken  out  of  the  compound  to  a  motel  room  in  the  Waco,  Texas 
area  by  her  mother,  where  Vernon  W.  Howell,  A/K/Ai  David  Koresh  was 
waiting  in  bed  for  her  with  no  pants  on.  She  stated  that,  while  in 
the  motel  room,  Howell  sexually  molested  her.  When  asked  how  she 
was  feeling  when  this  happened,  she  responded  "scared",  but 
"privileged".  She  was  asked  if  she  knew  what  was  going  to  happen 
to  her  when  she  was  left  in  the  motel  room  by  her  mother.  She  said 
that  she  knew  it  would  happen  "one  of  those  times".  She  explained 
that  they  didn't  talk  about  this  because  they  didn't  have  too.  It 
was  understood  in  the  group  that  this  is  what  happens.  They  did 
not  need  to  talk  about  it.  That  was  just  the  way  it  was  and 
everyone  knew  it.  It  was  asked  if  she  knew  about  any  other  girls 
who  had  experienced  this  and  she  said  yea.  She  reported  that  she 
knew  about  Michelle  Jones.  When  asked  how  she  knew  this,  she 
explained  that  Howell  had  talked  about  having  sex  with  Michelle 

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When  6ha  wa«  fourteen.   He  toid  in  a  Bible  Study  once  what  it  u«« 
like  when  he  had  sex  with  Michelle. 

I  now  seek  re-ieeuance  for  the  warrant  for  the  main  compound  and 
surrounding  land  (entire  description  «et  forth  above).  Further 
because  an  extreaely  dangerous  situation  exists  at  this  tine  and 
will  likely  continue  to  exist,  agents  may  need  to  take  advantage  of 
the  cover  of  darkness  to  enter  the  premises.  Therefore,  Z  seek 
permission  for  a  nighttime  (after  iO:00  p.m.)  warrant.  I  further 
request  that  this  affidavit  and  all  accompanying  papers  be  sealed 
by  the  court  to  avoid  further  danger  to  agents  and  to  avoid 
detection  of  the  nature  and  scope  of  the  investigation. 


TJavy  Ag>n.icr«r-Special  Agent 


Bureau'  of  ATF 


Subscribepl   and   sworn   to   before   me   this     /  3'^     day   of 
^9^y .    1993. 


Dennis  G.  Green, 

United  States  Magistrate  Judge 

Western  District  of  Texas  -  Waoo 


This  warrant,  affidavit  and  all  accompanying  papers  are  hereby 
s«al«d  by  order  of  this  court. 

Signed  by  ne  this    Z:?*^^   day  of    /:^Zt^li^ ,  1993. 

_  ,<^^  ^<:^>^^— 

Dennis   G.    Green, 

Unitad   States   Magistrate   Judga 

Western  Distriot  of  Texas  -  Waco 


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Chairman  Pickle.  Why  would  it  take  so  long  for  you  to  act.  You 
did  not  have  any  question  about  what  really  was  going  on.  You 
knew  what  was  taking  place,  and  you  knew  tnat  the  tax  Taws  were 
being  violated. 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  We  had  a  feeling  that  something  illegal  was  occur- 
ring. The  Davidians,  as  you  can  see  from  the  affidavit,  legally  were 
ordering  various  parts  and  components  and  bringing  them  onto  the 
premises.  What  we  were  trying  to  establish  was:  Were  they  violat- 
ing the  laws  after  they  got  them  onto  the  premises?  We  had  to  get 
enough 

Chairman  Pickle.  But,  Mr.  Higgins,  you  knew  that.  That  was 
not  the  question.  You  knew  that  they  were  doing  that.  You  knew 
they  were  violating  the  law. 

What  is  even  more  disturbing  to  me  is  the  statement  you  just 
made  that,  in  addition  to  the  firearms  that  they  legally  ordered 
through  American  businesses  and  shipped  in  by  U.S.  Parcel,  vou 
are  now  saying  that  you  think  that  money  was  being  supplied  to 
the  group  withm  the  compound  by  some  criminal  organization? 

Mr.  Higgins.  No. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Did  you  say  that? 

Mr.  Higgins.  No.  I  hope  I  did  not  give  that  impression.  No. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  you  said  you  are  now  investigating  the 
possibility  that  equipment  and/or  funds  were  being  supplied  to  this 
group  by  illegal  operations. 

Mr.  Higgins.  No.  There  is  some  confusion,  Mr.  Chairman.  That 
was  in  response  to  another  investigation  that  is  going  on  that 

Chairman  Pickle.  That  has  nothmg  to  do  with  Waco? 

Mr.  Higgins.  That  has  nothing  to  do  with  the  Davidian 
compound,  no. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Let  me  ask  one  other  question  be- 
fore my  time  expires. 

Is  it  true  that  at  the  start  of  this  operation,  the  ATF  agents  re- 
quested to  carry  more  powerful  weapons  and  were  turned  down;  is 
that  correct? 

Mr.  Higgins.  Categorically  untrue. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right. 

Mr.  Higgins.  They  had  all  the  weapons  that  they  had  requested 
and,  in  fact,  sufficient  ones. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Then  how  do  you  answer  the  ques- 
tion that  comes  to  my  mind? 

You  had  plants  within  the  compound  that  were  posting  you  gen- 
erally what  was  taking  place,  and  they  had  plants  within  your  op- 
erations, because  they  knew  what  you  were  doing.  On  the  morning 
of  February  the  28th,  they  knew  exactly  that  you  were  coming.  You 
knew  that  they  knew  you  were  coming.  They  were  dressed  in  cattle 
fatigues.  They  had  their  guns.  They  were  at  the  front  door  waiting 
for  you  to  knock. 

Nov/  you  knew  that  was  taking  place.  Was  it  your  judgment  or 
the  FBI's  judgment,  did  you  all  agree  that  you  would  go  ahead  and 
raid  the  group  at  that  time? 

Mr.  Higgins.  I  have  to  refrain  from  going  into  details  about  what 
we  knew.  That  will  come  out  during  the  subsequent  review  of 
this — and  I  think  in  fairness  to  everyone  who  was  part  of  that  deci- 
sionmaking process — ^that  is  the  time  for  that  to  oe  done.  But  let 


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me  just  continue  to  say  that  there  is  no  one  in  ATF  who  I  know 
of  who  would  purposely  lead  agents  into  a  situation  where  they 
knew  they  were  going  to  be  ambushed.  There  would  be  no  decision 
in  advance  that  would  order  that;  there  would  be  no  plan  at  the 
time  to  do  that. 

These  are  not  only  just  people  who  work  for  ATF.  These  are  also 
our  friends. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  I  do  not  want  to  argue  that  point  with 
you,  but  from  the  affidavit  I  have  read  in  a  report  you  have  already 
filed,  you  knew  exactly  what  was  going  on,  and  you  knew  that  they 
were  posted.  You  knew  that  they  were  waiting  for  you  to  knock, 
and  you  knew  that  you  were  going  to  meet  an  ambush.  Now  you 
knew  that.  And  yet  you  decided  to  go  ahead. 

I  do  not  want  to  pass  judgment  that  that  was  right  or  wrong.  I 
think  overall  perhaps  the  right  decision  was  made  in  the  oper- 
ations. I  think  you  were  deahng  with  a  bunch  of  nuts,  at  least  the 
leader  of  them,  and  inevitably  something  destructive  would  occur. 
So  I  am  not  trying  to  pass  judgment  on  anybody. 

But  you  did  know,  at  that  time,  that  they  were  waiting  for  you 
to  come  and  that  they  had  their  machine  guns  ready.  Yet  you  did 
make  the  decision  to  proceed. 

Now  was  that  your  decision,  ATF? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  The  decision  to  go  ahead  with  the  raid,  the  decision 
to  conduct  the  raid,  was  ATFs  decision. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  All  right. 

Mr.  HlGGEMS.  That  does  not  mean  I  agree  with  everything  else 
that  has  been  described.  But  we  have  been  asked  not  to  discuss 
what  happened  that  day,  and  I  think  there  is  a  fair  time  to  do  it. 
You  may  think  we  made  the  wrong  decision.  I  am  not  saying  that 
somebody  will  not.  I  am  just  saying  that  if  everybody  listens  to 
what  I  say  and  tries  to  get 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  am  not  trying  to  pass  judgment,  but  I  am 
asking  why. 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Yes. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Now  l6t  me  yield  to  Mr.  Houghton  for  any 
other  questions.  Mr.  Houghton. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

First  of  all,  thank  you  very  much  for  being  here.  I  know  it  is  a 
difficult  time,  and  I  know  that  it  is  hard  to  answer  a  lot  of  these 
questions.  But  clearly  we  are  interested,  as  you  would  imagine  any 
public  group,  particularly  a  congressional  committee. 

There  may  be  issues  as  far  as  the  alcohol  revenue  and  as  far  as 
tobacco  revenue,  but  it  is  so  overwhelmed  by  the  Waco  incident,  I 
hope  you  do  not  mind  me  homing  in  on  this,  following  up  on  the 
Chairman, 

You  know,  there  are  two  universal  questions  which  are  always 
asked  when  anything  happens.  One:  Who  is  guilty?  And  secondly: 
What  is  to  be  done? 

And  I  would  prefer  not  to  talk  about  who  is  guilty,  but  the  ques- 
tion really  is:  What  is  to  be  done? 

You  have  had  an  extraordinary  record  in  terms  of  the  forensic 
work  which  you  have  done.  You  did  a  terrific  job  as  far  as  the 
World  Trade  Center,  I  know,  and  in  covering  some  of  these  massive 


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organized  crime  groups  like  the  Jamaican  posses.  You  have  done 
an  extraordinary  job  here. 

But  I  think  our  question  is:  How  is  this  avoided  in  the  future? 
Are  we  organized  properly?  What  is  your  mission?  How  do  you  co- 
ordinate with  the  FBI  and  with  other  agencies,  including  the  State 
agencies  like  the  Texas  Rangers  or  whatever  State  might  be  in- 
volved? What  do  we  do  to  be  assured  that  you  are  doing  those 
things  which  are  important  to  protect  lives  in  the  future? 

Now  from  a  fiscal  standpoint,  I  applaud  what  you  are  doing  in 
terms  of  really  trying  to  take  care  and  trying  to  reduce  some  of 
these  special  nonrecurring  costs.  But  the  bigger  question  is:  Are 
you  set  up,  are  you  stationed  appropriately,  to  do  the  work  which 
would  avoid  a  situation  in  Waco,  and  also  are  you  getting  the  prop- 
er signals  from  here,  from  the  Justice  Department,  from  any  other 
groups  like  the  FBI  that  could  help  you  in  your  task?  Those  are 
the  key  questions. 

Mr.  HlGGDsrs.  Whenever  our  special  response  teams  are  utilized, 
we  review  those  responses  to  access  what  we  did  right,  what  we  did 
wrong,  and,  more  importantly,  what  we  can  do  better  in  the  future. 

This  operation  will  be  reviewed  even  more  extensively  than  any 
other  in  history,  and  I  honestly  think  it  should  be  reviewed  from 
the  standpoint  of  how  do  we  better  deal  with  these  situations  in 
the  future.  Nobody  would  want  a  tragedy  like  this  to  be  repeated. 

And  I  am  convinced  that  will  happen.  It  will  happen  every  step 
of  the  way  from  the  questions  that  the  Chairman  had  as  to  why 
we  went  in  when  we  did,  whether  that  was  too  long  or  too  short, 
what  kind  of  training  our  people  had,  what  the  decisionmaking 
process  was,  what  we  do  about  these  kinds  of  groups  with  these 
kinds  of  weapons. 

So  we  will  learn  from  that.  There  is  going  to  be  a  time  for  that, 
and  that  will  be  done,  and  that  will  be  reported  to  this  committee 
and  to  the  American  public  at  the  same  time. 

I  cannot  give  you  a  specific  answer. 

Mr.  Houghton.  That  is  helpful.  But  I  would  like  to  probe  this 
thing  a  little  further. 

Mr.  HlGGDSfS.  Certainly. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Your  mission  years  ago — I  am  not  sure  when  the 
Department  was  founded,  but  it  was  rum  runners  and  gun  smug- 
glers and  people  like  that.  It  is  different;  it  has  varied  over  the 
years. 

But  now  we  have  two  cases  very  forcefully  put  on  edge  with  the 
World  Trade  Center  or  also  with  Waco.  What  is  your  mission  now? 
What  can  we  do  to  help  you?  What  can  we  do  and  what  can  others 
do  to  better  coordinate  your  activities  with  clearly  other  govern- 
mental agencies  which  are  involved  here,  because  the  FBI  really 
took  over  responsibility  here  from  you? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Well,  I  think  one  thing  you  can  do  is  not  rush  to 
judgment  based  on  one  incident.  We  have  used  these  special  re- 
sponse teams  hundreds  of  times  in  the  last  4  or  5  years.  This  is 
the  first  time  we  had  anyone  hurt,  other  than  one  agent  who  was 
slightly  injured.  We  did  this  in  order  to  protect  our  people,  not  to 
get  them  killed. 

We  are  in  the  business  of  enforcing  the  firearms  and  explosives 
laws,  unfortunately  against  some  very  violent  people.  And  these 


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are  not  the  only  ones  in  this  country.  So  that  is  the  business  we 
are  about  in  our  law  enforcement  area.  That  is  separate  from  the 
taxing  part  of  our  agency. 

We  work  very,  very  closely  with  State  and  local  organizations. 
You  do  not  have  to  take  my  word  for  that;  you  can  ask  them.  We 
do  coordinate  our  activities,  including  the  day  on  which  this  raid 
occurred.  We  coordinated  those  activities;  when  we  saw  we  had  a 
hostage  situation— we  asked  the  FBI  to  come  in  because  they  are 
outstanding  in  hostage  negotiations.  The  FBI  and  other  agencies 
have  asked  us  to  come  in  when  they  have  had  similar  operations 
and  had  similar  needs  for  our  special  response  teams,  whether  it 
be  in  Los  Angeles  after  the  riots  or  the  incident  in  Idaho  in  the 
Randy  Weaver  shooting. 

So  law  enforcement,  I  think,  works  closely  together.  We  think  we 
have  a  definable  mission.  We  think,  though,  «iat  what  happened 
here  should  not  be  seen  as  a  complete  failure  of  the  organization, 
and  it  should  be  weighed  in  the  entirety. 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  am  not  being  accusatory. 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  was  not  trying  to  suggest  that. 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  am  trying  to  be  supportive.  But  I  would  sug- 
gest, Mr.  Chairman,  since  we  are  so  close  to  this  particular  inci- 
dent, and  maybe  a  lot  of  the  details  in  terms  of  reformulating  what 
you  are  about,  where  you  need  help,  that  maybe  we  try  to  get  a 
report  sometime  within  the  next  month  or  2  to  give  us  some  of  the 
answers  to  the  specific  questions. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Mr.  Houghton,  I  said  in  my  opening  statement 
that  we  may  have  additional  hearings  based  on  facts  that  will  be 
developed  as  we  go  along.  So  we  should  withhold  judgment,  and 
you  are  exactly  right. 

And  we  are  not  being  accusatory,  Mr.  Higgins. 

Mr.  Higgins.  I  am  sorry  if  I  am  reacting  like  I  think  you  are; 
I  am  not. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  I  can  see  why  you  would  be  very  sen- 
sitive about  it.  Overall  you  have  done  an  excellent  job.  Your  work 
at  the  World  Trade  Center  was  outstanding.  But  we  are  fearful 
about  whether  that  kind  of  thing  could  happen  again.  What  a  hor- 
rible thought  your  mind  can  conjure  up  about  what  could  happen. 
We  are  not  trying  to  pin  the  fault  on  you  on  this  instance. 

But  I  am  concerned,  you  said  ATF  made  the  decision.  But  you 
told  Mr.  Houghton  that  the  local  authorities  were  also  told  what 
you  were  going  to  do,  and  I  assume  the  FBI.  Did  all  three  know 
that  you  were  going  to  move  in  on  February  the  28th? 

Mr.  Higgins.  The  FBI,  to  my  knowledge,  would  not  have  known. 
They  were  not  part  of  that  operation.  They  came  in  because  of  the 
hostage  situation.  The  locals  would  have  known,  yes. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Thank  you. 

The  Chair  recognizes  Mr.  Jefferson  for  any  questions.  Mr.  Jeffer- 
son. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Mr.  Higgins,  in  your  statement,  if  I  followed  it 
correctly,  you  have  indicated  that  the  underpayment  of  firearms 
and  ammunition  excise  taxes  are  more  frequent  now.  Tobacco  ex- 
cise taxes,  taxpayers  are  acting  more  aggressively  to  avoid  paying 
the  taxes,  and  that  alcohol  investigations  have  found  a  number  of 


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cases  where  there  were  tax  violations  occurring  on  a  more  frequent 
basis. 

The  question  is:  Will  these  tax  evasion  problems,  in  your  opinion, 
worsen  or  improve  if  the  budget  that  is  proposed  now,  which  ap- 
pears to  reduce  the  funding  in  these  areas,  is  adopted? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  In  the  directly  revenue-related  areas,  the  tax  collec- 
tion, we  are  going  to  try  to  maintain  a  constant  level.  The  cuts  we 
have  taken  have  been  primarily  in  nonre venue  areas. 

Part  of  what  is  happening  in  the  tobacco  area  is  a  function  of  the 
floor  stocks  tax  itself,  and  we  find  those  taxpayers  not  to  be  in  as 
high  compliance  as  the  manufacturers  who  pay  the  overwhelming 
majority  of  that  $6  billion.  That  revenue  comes  from  just  a  very 
few  taxpayers,  and  their  compliance  levels  are  outstanding.  So  part 
of  this  is  transitory,  in  that  once  the  floor  stocks,  which  is  due  on 
June  1,  comes  in,  that  part  of  the  problem  will  not  be  there. 

With  respect  to  the  other  side  of  it,  the  non tobacco  taxpayers, 
while  we  are  concerned  that  that  might  be  a  trend,  we  still  have 
a  very  high  level  of  presence  with  the  major  taxpayers,  and  I  think 
we  can  prevent  that  from  being  a  serious  problem.  But  we  are  con- 
cerned about  it,  obviously. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  one  of  the  reasons  there,  then — you  can 
cite  it  as  a  trend — what  have  you  identified  as  the  reasons  why  this 
underpayment  is  getting  more  frequent? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Dan  is  in  charge  of  our  compliance  area.  I  will  ask 
him  to  respond,  since  he  has  been  more  directly  involved  with  that 
than  I  have. 

Mr.  Black.  I  think  when  we  are  talking  about  the  underpay- 
ments, the  biggest  problem  we  are  having  right  now  is  with  the 
floor  stocks  taxpayers.  The  last  two  excise  tax  increases  demanded 
a  floor  stocks  tax  which  essentially  puts  the  alcohol  taxpayer  on  an 
honor  system.  Several  thousand  businesses  are  responsible  for  pay- 
ing floor  stocks  tax,  and  we  just  plain  and  simply  do  not  have  the 
resources  to  go  to  every  single  one.  The  result  is  less  than  full  com- 
pliance in  the  floor  stocks  tax  area. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  what  is  to  be  done  about  that? 

Mr.  Black.  I  am  not  sure  I  have  the  answer.  The  Congress  sees 
fit  each  time  there  is  an  excise  tax  increase  to  establish  a  floor 
stocks  tax,  and  that  is  probably  fair.  But  since  it  is  generally  a  one- 
time-only tax,  we  do  not  get  additional  resources,  and  must  take 
resources  out  of  the  existing  tax  program  in  order  to  handle  floor 
stocks. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  What  is  the  problem  with  underpayment,  mov- 
ing from  alcohol  to  firearms,  in  that  area? 

Mr.  Black.  ATF  assumed  the  responsibility  of  collecting  the  fire- 
arms and  ammunition  excise  tax  from  the  IRS  about  3  years  ago. 
We  did  this  because  we  also  inspect  firearms  manufacturers.  It 
made  good  sense. 

What  we  are  finding  is  that  it  is  a  fairly  complex  tax.  It  is  very 
much  like  a  value-added  tax.  And  we  are  looking  at  it  very  aggres- 
sively, because  certainly  we  believe  that  if  there  is  a  tax  due,  we 
have  to  do  everything  possible  to  collect  that  tax. 

Since  our  approach  is  more  aggressive  than  what  they  had  expe- 
rienced under  IRS,  we  are  finding  more  excise  tax  problems  in  fire- 
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Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  is  there  a  plan  there  to  deal  with  that 
underpayment  problem  in  this  area? 

Mr.  Black.  It  is  partly  an  education  problem.  We  are  doing  the 
best  we  can  to  notify  those  firearms  manufacturers  that  owe  taxes 
of  the  complexities  of  that  tax,  with  a  hope  that  that  will  increase 
compliance.  Once  they  get  used  to  what  we  are  looking  for  when 
we  conduct  those  inspections,  I  think  we  will  get  a  better  compH- 
ance  rate. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Is  there  any  way  you  can  estimate  how  much 
money  you  are  losing?  Let  us  just  say  in  the  underpayment  in 
taxes  on  firearms  and  ammunition,  how  much  do  you  estimate  the 
Government  is  losing  there  because  it  is  unable  to  collect  all  the 
taxes  that  are  due? 

Mr.  Black.  I  do  not  think  at  this  point  we  could  estimate  with 
any  degree  of  accuracy.  I  am  going  to  say,  however,  that  right  now, 
it  is  not  an  extensive  amount.  We  anticipate  collecting  about  $160 
million  this  year.  Last  year,  we  collected  about  $130  to  $140  mil- 
lion. 

What  we  are  really  losing  in  there  is  probably  an  unknown  fig- 
ure, but  I  am  going  to  say  that  it  is  not  extensive. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  And  would  that  be  true  in  the  case  of  tobacco 
and  alcohol  underpayments  as  well? 

Mr.  Black.  If  we  are  talking  about  the  $14  billion  we  collect  for 
alcohol  and  tobacco,  I  am  going  to  say  no.  We  see  good  compliance 
rates  there.  But  alcohol  and  tobacco  floor  stocks  tax  is  an  unknown 
quantity. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  There  has  been  some  talk  about  raising  the  ex- 
cise tax  on  firearms  and  ammunition.  You  may  have  heard  about 
it.  A  member  of  the  Ways  and  Means  Committee,  Mel  Reynolds 
from  Chicago,  has  proposed  it. 

Or  whether  you  have  heard  about  that  particular  one  or  not,  I 
want  to  ask  you  if  you  would  foresee  any  collection  problems,  any 
exacerbation  of  any  collection  problems,  if  that  bill  were  passed?  It 
essentially  doubles  the  excise  tax  on  tobacco  and  firearms. 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  Yes.  I  could  answer  it,  or  Dan  could.  We  really 
have  not  looked  at  that.  I  think  the  same  problems  would  exist  as 
they  exist  now,  only  at  double  the  level.  But  in  terms  of  whether 
it  would  be  a  different  problem  to  us,  no,  it  will  be  simply  a  ques- 
tion of  educating  the  people  as  to  what  they  owe,  coupled  with 
some  reasonable  expectation  that  we  are  going  to  come  and  audit 
them. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  the  bottom  line,  is  it  realistic  to  rec- 
ommend reductions  in  the  areas  where  you  are  having  problems  al- 
ready in  collecting  taxes,  as  this  budget  does? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  think  what  we  tried  to  do  in  this  budget  is  to 
avoid  the  cuts  in  areas  where  we  have  the  most  problems.  This  was 
not  one  of  those — I  guess  it  is  one  of  those  where  you  cut  the  worst 
of  a  lot  of  good  ones,  and  that  is  hard  to  do  sometimes,  but  we  have 
tried  not  to  do  it  in  those  areas. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Yes,  you  are  trying  to  cut.  But  I  am  just  asking 
whether  you  picked  the  right  places  to  cut,  given  that  these  are 
places  where  we  may  be  losing  revenue  that  we  could  collect? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  It  is  a  tough  tradeoff,  because  we  are  balancing  the 
revenue  collection  with  the  enforcement  of  some  of  the  firearms 


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laws,  and  we  have  tried  to  do  it  in  the  fairest  way.  This  is  always 
subject  to  second-guessing. 

dnairman  PiCKLE.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Jefferson.  Now  the  Chair  rec- 
ognizes Mr.  Hancock. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

You  mentioned  earlier  when  Mr.  Houghton  was  questioning  you 
that  your  organization  had  used  the  special  response  teams  hun- 
dreds of  times. 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Literally. 

Mr.  Hancock.  You  know,  I  have  read  a  few  times,  but  give  me 
a  figure.  How  many  times  a  month  do  you  organize  a  special  re- 
sponse team? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  I  will  tell  you  exactly  how  many.  In  the  last  18 
months  alone,  it  has  probably  been  close  to  350. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  now  is  this  primarily  as  a  result  of  viola- 
tions of  gun  ownership?  Is  it  merely  because  some  guy  that  has 
been  convicted  of  a  felony  happens  to  own  a  shotgun,  or  is  it  auto- 
matic weapons  and  bazookas? 

Mr.  HiGGESfS.  The  decision,  number  one,  to  even  have  the  SRTs 
and  to  develop  them  and  train  them  was  based  on  the  increasingly 
violent  levels  of  people  we  were  arresting.  But  the  use  of  the  teams 
is  limited  to  those  cases  where  we  are  arresting  someone  who  is  ei- 
ther known  to  be  violent  and/or  armed.  And  in  enforcing  the  gun 
laws,  most  of  the  people  you  go  after  are  armed  to  start  with.  But 
we  use  them  in  high-risk  situations. 

And  so  while  they  may  not  be  as  large  as  the  Waco  operation, 
we  are  using  them  in  the  inner  cities  and  in  other  places. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Now  the  Waco  operation,  was  that  known  violent 
offenders  down  there?  I  mean,  had  there  been  any  previous  history 
of  violence  when  you  went  out  there? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  There  was  violence  associated  with  their  move  into 
the  compound  in  the  first  place.  But  I  think  the  Chairman's  ques- 
tion as  ne  read  through  the  affidavit  was,  if  we  knew  that  these 
people  were  potentially  dangerous,  why  did  we  not  do  something 
about  it? 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  I  can  understand  that.  I  just  wonder  if  that 
has  been  made  public  to  the  extent  of  the  numbers  of  times  that 
these  situations  exist,  because  I  doubt  if  the  public  is  looking  at 
Waco 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  I  know  that. 

Mr.  Hancock  [continuing].  Hearing  about,  what  5  or  6  years  ago, 
I  think  that  you  went  in — and  I  am  trying  to  remember  the  name 
of  the  organization;  they  called  it  the  TSA  down  in  south  Missouri. 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  CSA,  Covenant,  Sword  and  the  Arm  of  the  Lord. 

Mr.  Hancock.  CSA,  that  is  it. 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  Right. 

Mr.  Hancock.  That  is  right.  And  you  went  in  down  there  with 
a  special  response  team  as  the  result  of  a  highway  patrolman 
being 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  Killed,  yes,  in  Missouri. 

Mr.  Hancock  [continuing].  Executed  with  an  automatic  weapon. 

At  what  level  is  the  decision  made  to  use  an  SRT — I  mean,  is 
that  delegated  to  your  authority?  Does  it  come  up  to  you  as  the 
final  decisionmaker,  or  does  it  go  above  you? 


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Mr.  HiGGlNS.  If  the  decision  is  to  use  a  single  special  response 
team,  we  have  certain  delegations  of  authority.  That  decision  could 
be  made  by  the  special  agent  in  charge  of  one  of  our  field  divisions. 

If  the  decision  is  to  use  multiple  SRTs,  as  was  the  case  in  Waco, 
that  decision  would  have  to  come  to  headquarters,  to  the  Associate 
Director  for  Law  Enforcement  to  approve  and  in  such  large  oper- 
ations, he  would,  in  fact,  advise  me. 

Mr.  Hancock.  What  comprises  the  makeup  of  an  SRT? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Dave  Troy  has  been  in  charge  of  setting  those  up 
and  involved  in  the  training,  so  he  can  provide  much  more  detail 
than  I. 

Mr.  Troy.  Each  field  division  has  a  special  response  team.  We 
have  23  field  divisions  in  ATF.  Each  team  is  comprised  of  approxi- 
mately 15  members,  which  varies  depending  on  the  size  of  the  divi- 
sion. They  all  go  through  an  intensive  2-week  training  course 
where  we  teach  high-risk  entry  techniques,  being  able  to  get  into 
buildings,  fortified  locations,  particularly  in  urban  areas  where  we 
have  a  lot  of  problems  with  armed  drug  dealers. 

They  go  through  this  2-week  training  course,  and  then  they  go 
through  recurring  training  when  they  are  back  at  their  field  offices, 
to  keep  those  practices  and  techniques  honed  to  a  very  fine  edge. 
As  Mr.  Higgins  said,  they  are  used  on  high-risk  search  and  arrest 
warrants  where  we  know  the  people  we  are  attempting  to  take  into 
custody  have  a  history  of  violent  activity,  who  use  firearms  in  vio- 
lent crimes,  and  have  had  a  record  of  that  activity. 

We  activate  those  special  response  teams  when  we  know  that  we 
have  more  than  just  tne  usual  situation. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  I  understand  in  the  situation  down  in  Waco, 
after  it  is  all  coming  out,  that  either  the  FBI  or  you  all  had  listen- 
ing devices  of  some  type  inside  the  compound;  is  that  correct? 

Mr.  Higgins.  I  think  it  has  appeared  in  the  paper,  but  I  do  not 
know  if  that  has  been  confirmed. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  when  were  they  put  into  the  compound? 
Prior  to  the  time  that  you  went  out  there?  And  if  so,  were  they  put 
in  as  a  result  of  a  court-ordered  permission,  you  know?  I  mean,  I 
do  not  understand  how  you  can  get  listening  devices  inside  a 
compound  after  you  went  out  there  to  knock  on  these  people's  door, 
and  they  started  shooting  at  you. 

Mr.  HlGGC^S.  That  is  a  question  that  should  be  directed  to  the 
FBI,  which  was  in  charge  of  the  operation.  And  I  doubt  that  they 
will  comment  on  how  or  why  they  would  do  that,  since  that  is  an 
investigative  technique.  But  you  could  certainly  ask  them. 

We  got  our  information  by  the  use  of  undercover  agents. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Well,  maybe  they  might  not  want  to  answer  it  in 
a  public  forum,  but  I  think  that  mayoe  we  might  be  able  to  ask 
that  question,  because  I  am  curious,  frankly,  about  whether  that 
type  of  thing  is  done  by  the  FBI  as  a  result  of  a  court  order  pre- 
viously or  what  have  you,  because  I  think  we  are  talking  about 
some  other  areas. 

Mr.  Higgins.  There  are  extensive  rules  that  cover  when ■ 

Mr.  Hancock.  I  understand;  I  understand.  I  would  just  like  to 
know  how  it  is  done. 

I  would  just  like  to  ask  vou  a  real  quick  question.  We  have  got 
a  situation  now  with  the  law  enforcement  in  this  country  where 


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anyone,  anyone  that  has  been  convicted  of  a  felony,  they  cannot  le- 
gally own  a  weapon  and  even  own  a  shotgun  to  go  hunting. 

It  seems  to  me — and  that  is — if  you  are  convicted  of  a  felony  that 
has  nothing  to  do,  absolutely  nothing  to  do  with  the  use  of  a  weap- 
on, it  seems  to  me  like  that  is  a  little  infringement  on  the  second 
amendment  rights. 

Would  you  even  voice  an  opinion  on  that?  I  mean,  for  instance, 
I  have  got  a  particular  situation  where  a  guy  was  convicted  for  fail- 
ing to  pay  his  child  support,  and  yet  he  cannot  own  a  shotgun.  Is 
that  not  carrying  that  a  little  bit  too  far? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Well,  without  commenting  on  whether  it  should  or 
should  not  be  that  way,  you  may  not  know  that  prior  to  this  fiscal 
year  there  was  a  process  by  which  individuals  who  had  been  con- 
victed of  crimes  like  that  could  file  for  relief  from  disability.  We 
would  conduct  an  investigation  and,  if  the  circumstances  warrant, 
restore  that  right. 

There  are  also  provisions  where 

Mr,  Hancock,  In  the  Treasury  appropriation  in  the  last  session 
of  Congress,  they  took  away  your  funding  to  do  that. 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Yes.  So  now  we  cannot  grant  relief.  But  there  is 
also  a  provision  that  if  the  State  grants  relief,  they  can  have  their 
rights  restored  as  well. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Oh,  is  that  right?  OK,  fine. 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  If  by  provision  of  State  law,  it  works  that  way,  then 
they  do  not  need  relief. 

Mr.  Hancock.  Thank  you  very  much. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  We  will  explore  that  aspect  of  the  code  later 
on. 

Now  the  Chair  recognizes  Mr.  Brewster. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr,  Higgins,  I  know  that  hindsight  is  20/20,  and  foresight  is  cer- 
tainly not  that  good,  and  that  there  are  a  lot  of  Monday  morning 
quarterbacks  sitting  around  that  are  criticizing,  critiquing  what 
went  on  in  Waco. 

But  was  the  original  intent  to  search  the  premises  for  illegal 
weapons? 

Mr.  Higgins.  Illegal  weapons  and  explosives. 

Mr.  Brewster.  OK.  Did  you  feel  that  you  did  not  have  probably 
cause  to  arrest  the  individual,  the  leader,  prior  to  that  time? 

Mr.  Higgins.  I  do  not  want  to  give  you  the  wrong  impression.  We 
had  both  an  arrest  warrant  for  the  leader  and  search  warrants  for 
the  premises. 

Mr.  Brewster.  So  you  felt  like  you  already  had  probable  cause 
for  the  arrest  of  at  least  the  leader? 

Mr.  Higgins.  Simultaneous.  I  want  to  show  these  as  activities 
which  occurred — the  warrants,  I  believe,  came  down  on  the  same 
day.  We  got  the  warrants  on  the  same  day. 

Mr.  Brewster.  From  the  number  of  agents,  100  agents  and  3 
special  response  teams,  I  have  to  assume  that  vou  expected  to  have 
problems,  expected  to  have  violence  or  some  kind  of  problem;  am 
I  correct  in  that? 

Mr.  Higgins.  The  reason  we  used  the  special  response  teams  is, 
we  had  reason  to  believe  there  were  a  large  number  of  weapons 
and  explosives.  We  developed  a  plan  which  required  a  certain  num- 


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ber  of  people  to  go  in,  which  we  thought  would  enable  us  to  effect 
a  peaceful  conclusion. 

When  we  served  the  warrants,  our  biggest  concerns  were  the 
safety  of  the  people  that  were  in  there,  and,  in  fact,  I  know  that 
some  of  our  agents,  as  they  went  in,  were  more  worried  about  get- 
ting to  the  children  and  protecting  them  than  anything  else. 

So  we  had  that  large  a  number  of  people  in  order  to  do  it  in  that 
way. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Was  any  thought  given  to  arresting  the  leader, 
the  individual,  outside  the  compound  when  he  went  into  Waco  to 
buy  welders  or  whatever,  as  I  understand  that  he  did  on  a  fairly 
routine  basis? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Well,  I  think  how  often  he  left  the  premises  has 
been  greatly  exaggerated.  The  best  information  we  had — and  cer- 
tainly there  will  be  second-guessing — was  that  he  was  not  going  to 
leave  the  compound,  was  not  likely  to  leave  the  compound,  ana  on 
the  unlikely  occasion  that  he  should,  we  still  had  the  problem  that 
he  may  be  surrounded — and  as  you  can  see  by  the  events — ^by  15 
to  20  people  who  were  equally  violent  and  equally  committed.  We 
were  concerned  we  still  would  have  a  search  warrant,  and  we 
would  still  have  innocent  people  on  the  premises  and  still  have  the 
problem  of  getting  them  out  without  somebody  hurting  them  on  the 
premises,  not  outside  the  premises. 

So  we  may  have — in  the  unlikely  event  we  caught  him  out 
there — avoided  him  as  the  problem,  but  certainly  would  not  have 
avoided  the  entire  problem. 

Beyond  that,  with  the  series  of  articles  which  were  starting  in 
the  Waco  paper — actually  the  Saturday  before  the  warrants — with 
respect  to  why  law  enforcement  was  not  doing  anything,  we 
thought  that  was  going  to  make  it  increasingly  more  unlikely  that 
he  would  leave  those  premises. 

Mr.  Brewster.  So  you  felt  that  even  if  vou  arrested  him  off- 
premises,  there  were  others  there  that  would  pick  up  his  leader- 
ship and  be  just  as  violent,  just  as  much  of  a  problem  as  we  was? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Absolutely. 

Mr.  Brewster.  OK  Now  as  far  as  weapons  are  concerned,  were 
there  providers  of  illegal  weapons  to  them,  or  were  they  buying 
legal  weapons  and  converting  them,  or  both? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  cannot  comment.  But  let  me  just  say  that  a  lot 
of  the  purchases  that  he  made,  were  purchases  of  legally  available 
parts  for  the  conversion  of  weapons.  What  makes  it  a  violation  is 
when  you  have  all  those  parts  together  in  one  place  and/or  convert 
the  weapons  to  fire  as  automatic  weapons.  But  the  purchase  of  in- 
dividual items  is  not  a  violation  of  Federal  law. 

Mr.  Brewster.  So  you  do  not  know  of  him  purchasing  illegal 
weapons,  even  explosives  or  whatever? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Yes.  I  do  not  want  to  comment  on  all  of  the  things 
that  were  in  there,  and  I  am  not  sure  that  I  am  familiar  with  ev- 
erything that  was  in  there,  but  most  of  the  illegal  activities  in  this 
case  we  felt  took  place  once  they  were  on  the  premises.  I  think  that 
is  a  fair  statement. 

Mr.  Brewster.  But  it  is  a  felony  to  convert  a  semiautomatic 
weapon  to  an  automatic  weapon;  am  I  correct? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  Absolutely. 


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Mr.  Brewster.  OK  Do  you  have  much  of  a  problem  through  the 
agency,  not  just  on  Waco  or  otherwise,  with  providers  of  illegal 
weapons  today? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  Yes.  We  have  a  number  of  investigations  of  people 
who  are  converting  automatic  weapons,  whether  they  be  handguns 
or  long  guns,  and  selling  to  people  in  narcotics  activities  or  other 
types  of  illegal  activities.  That  is  a  continuing  problem. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Converting  a  handgun  to  fully  automatic? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  Yes. 

Mr.  Brewster.  That  would  be  interesting.  There  used  to  be  a 
Class  C  license.  There  is  no  longer  a  Class  C  license;  am  I  correct? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  am  not  familiar  with  what  that  was,  other  than 
that  was  a  type  of  licensing  for  manufacturing. 

Mr.  Brewster.  A  Class  C  license  allowed  the  sale  of  fully  auto- 
matic weapons  some  years  ago.  So  today  it  is  illegal  for  anyone  to 
own  a  fully  automatic  weapons,  unless  they  had  a  previous  license 
under  Class  C  some  years  ago. 

Mr.  HiGGESis.  It  is  illegal  for  anyone  now  to  have  an  unregistered 
automatic  weapon.  The  Taw  was  changed  in  1986.  It  prohibited  the 
manufacture  of  automatic  weapons 

Mr.  Brewster.  After  1986. 

Mr.  HiGGms  [continuing].  For  sale  to  other  than  law  enforce- 
ment, military,  and  a  few  other  restricted  groups.  Any  weapons 
that  were  in  existence  prior  to  the  1986  change  could  still  be  traf- 
ficked among  individuals,  as  long  as  they  were  registered  with  our 
Department.  So  it  is  not  illegal  to  have  a  registered  automatic 
weapon. 

Mr.  Brewster.  You  mentioned  also  that  violent  extremist  groups 
were  out  there.  Do  you  see  an  increase  in  what  you  consider  to  be 
violent  extremist  groups  who  have  terrorist  capacity  in  this  coun- 
try? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  am  reluctant  to  say  it  is  an  increase,  because 
then  people  react  to  it  as  if  we  have  a  growing  problem.  But  one 
of  the  difficulties  is,  it  is  hard  to  find  out  about  some  of  these 
groups.  So  I  do  not  know  whether  there  has  been  an  increase  or 
whether  we  have  better  intelligence.  I  do  not  want  to  make  a  value 
judgment  as  to  what  is  happening.  Just  suffice  it  to  say  that  this 
was  not  the  only  group  like  that. 

Mr.  Brewster.  OK.  Thank  you  very  much. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  The  Chair  recognizes  now  Mr.  Santorum.  Mr. 
Santorum. 

Mr.  Santorum.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  was  interested  in  a  couple  of  the  comments  that  you  made,  Mr. 
Higgins.  First  oflF,  how  long  did  you  investigate  the  Branch 
Davidians  before  any  action  was  taken?  How  long  was  the  inves- 
tigation imderway? 

Mr.  Higgins.  The  first  information  we  had  that  there  may  be  il- 
legal activities  occurring  there  we  got  from,  I  believe,  a  Deputy 
Sheriff  in  the  locality  in  June  of  1992. 

Mr.  Santorum.  OK  And  you  mentioned  something  that  I 
thought  was  interesting  when  you  said  about  the  stories  tnat  were 
running  in  the  local  Waco  papers,  which  was:  Is  anyone  going  to 
do  anyUiing  about  that? 


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Were  you  contacted  by  the  reporters  about  the  articles  to  be  writ- 
ten? 

Mr.  HlGGEV[s.  Did  we  know?  We  were  contacted,  yes. 

Mr.  Santorum.  You  did?  So  you  knew  the  stories  were  going  to 
run? 

Mr.  HlGGD^s.  We  did  not  know  for  sure  until  about  2  or  3  days 
before,  when  they  were  going  to  run,  but  we  know  they  started 
running  on  Saturday.  In  fact,  we  sent  someone  in  to  see  if  it  caused 
any  concern. 

Mr.  Santorum.  You  sent  someone  in?  I  am  sorry.  What?  You 
sent  someone  in  to 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  We  had  an  undercover  agent  go  in  on  the  first  day 
that  the  story  ran  to  see  if  that  caused  any  kind  of  increased 
awareness  or  alert. 

Mr.  Santorum.  Was  there  any  attempt  by  your  office  to  do  any- 
thing about  holding  those  stories  back?  I  mean,  you  gave  me  the 
impression  from  your  answer  that  this  jeopardized  and  caused 
problems.  Since  these  stories  ran,  Koresh  was  less  likely  to  leave 
the  compound,  and  this  would  create  more  problems  for  you.  Was 
there  any  attempt  on  your  part  to  have  those  stories  to  be  held  or 
asked  the  stories  to  be  held  until  some  action  was  taken? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Yes,  there  was. 

Mr.  Santorum.  There  was.  OK 

When  did  you  communicate  that  to  the  papers? 

Mr.  Higgins.  I  can  get  you  the  exact  date.  But  it  was  in  advance, 
obviously,  of  the  articles  being  run. 

Mr.  Santorum.  All  right.  You  folks  were  obviously  outgunned 
when  the  assault  was  taking  place.  Is  there  a  problem  with  your 
funding  as  far  as  your  capability  of  weapons? 

Mr.  Higgins.  No.  Let  me  comment  on  that.  I  think  the 
"outgunning"  is  an  unfortunate  choice.  I  know  it  is  not  your  choice. 
It  is  an  unfortunate  choice  of  words  in  that  we  did  not  go  there  to 
engage  in  a  gun  battle,  and  that  is  not  the  way  we  conduct  law  en- 
forcement in  this  country. 

The  people  were  equipped  to  go  in  and  separate  the  men,  women, 
and  children,  the  innocent  ones,  and  to  separate  the  violent  ones 
from  the  gun  cache.  So  we  went  in  there  to  do  it  in  a  way  that  we 
could  do  it  quickly,  and  there  would  be  no  firing. 

We  knew  we  did  not  have  the  capability  ana  do  not  have  as  law 
enforcement  the  right  to  fire  through  walls  and  ceilings  and  roofs, 
not  being  able  to  identify  the  targets.  So  we  went  in  with  weapons 
that  were  appropriate  to  that  kind  of  a  mission. 

Certainly  we  did  not  have,  as  they  have  been  alleged  to  have, 
.50-caliber  machine  guns  that  we  could  fire  through  the  walls.  We 
could  not  have  used  them  if  we  had  had  them.  So  the  weapons  we 
had  were  appropriate  to  the  situation. 

Mr.  Santorum.  You  could  not  go  in  because  that  is  beyond  what? 
Why  do  you  say  you  could  not  have  you  used  them?  Because  that 
is  just  not  the  kind  of  activity  you  would  conduct? 

Mr.  Higgins.  Right.  We  knew  there  were  innocent  men,  women, 
and  children  in  that  compound.  When  the  element  of  surprise  was 
lost  and  they  were  ready  for  us,  we  did  not  know  where  those  men, 
women — one  thing  we  assumed  that  they  would  not  be  where  we 
thought  they  were  going  to  be  if  they  were  caught  by  surprise.  So 


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we  could  not  have  used  weapons  that  we  could  not  have  controlled 
where  the  round  would  have  ended  up.  Certain  types  of  weapons, 
when  fired  in  a  situation  like  that,  are  going  to  go  through  the 
walls,  as  you  saw  on  television  when  they  were  fired  at  our  agents. 
We  could  not  use  a  weapon  like  that.  That  is  not  law  enforcement. 

Mr.  Santorum.  You  mentioned  the  element  of  surprise,  which 
brings  me  back  a  little  bit  to  the  newspaper  story.  Was  there  any 
attempt  on  vour  part,  knowing  that  these — ^how  lon^  in  advance  of 
the  stories  oeing  run  were  you  contacted  about  this  potential  re- 
port? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  I  do  not  remember  the  exact  number  of  days.  I  can 
find  that  for  you. 

Mr.  Santorum.  Was  it  long  enough  for  you  to  contemplate  the 
fact  that  this  story  may  be  running  and  to  move  up  your 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  It  certainly  was.  We  had  some  flexibility,  but  not 
entire  flexibility.  But,  in  fact,  we  moved  it  up  one  day  in  order  to — 
but  to  move  it  up  any  longer  than  that  would  have 

Mr.  Santorum.  You  could  not  have  moved  it  up  any — given  the 
notice  you  were  given  about  when  the  report  was  going  to  be — ^you 
could  not  move  it  up  any  further?  You  just  did  not  have  the  re- 
sources on  hand,  or  what  was — ^you  did  not  have  the  agents  there 
or 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  We  went  when  we  thought  we  had  the  training  and 
the  people  there  and  the  logistics  and  everything  else.  There  was 
not  that  big  a  window  of  opportunity,  no. 

I  appreciate  the  opportunity  to  have  this  exchange  with  you,  but 
I  think  that  is  sometning  that  needs  to  be  looked  at  when  we  look 
at  this  entire — I  mean,  how  much  time  was  there,  what  could  have 
been  done,  what  should  have  been  done.  I  think  those  are  legiti- 
mate questions,  and  I  understand  why  you  have  them. 

I  cannot  answer  them  all  today  here,  but  I  will  do  the  best  I  can. 

Mr.  Santorum.  And  you  mentioned  training,  and  you  mentioned 
you  have  a  2-week  training  course  on  this  kind  oi  activity.  How 
does  that  compare  with  the  FBI  or  other  folks  as  far  as  their  train- 
ing in  this  area? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  can  ask  Dave  to  expand  on  that.  With  respect  to 
the  SRTs  that  other  agencies  have,  whether  they  are  State,  local, 
the  Marshals'  Service  or  others,  I  think  that  is  comparable. 

Mr.  Troy.  Our  special  response  teams  are  very  much  like  local 
police  and  State  police  SWAT  teams.  It  is  the  same  type  of  tactic 
and  technique.  I  think  our  2-week  training  course  is  very  similar 
to  the  specialized  training  that  a  SWAT  team  for  a  local  police  or 
a  State  police  agency  would  have,  and  they  do  the  same  type  of 
thing  we  do.  When  we  pick  people  to  be  on  an  SRT  and  send  them 
through  the  2-week  training  course 

Mr.  Santorum.  Is  this  an  ATF-run  training  course? 

Mr.  Troy.  Yes,  this  is  an  ATF-run  training  course  for  our  agents. 
And  when  we  get  our  agents  through  that  course  and  we  have  an 
active  SRT,  we  do  monthly  training,  much  the  same  as  a  SWAT 
team  does  with  a  police  agency.  It's  recurring. 

Mr.  Santorum.  The  question  is  the  level — I  know  my  time  is 
up — ^but  the  level  of  training  is  similar  to  and  the  amount  of  train- 
ing is  similar  to  other  SWAT  teams,  whether  it  be  local  or  State 
or  Federal? 


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Mr.  Troy.  That  is  correct,  the  same  type  of  thing,  recurring 
training  after  the  initial  training,  practicing,  and,  of  course,  they 
are  used  in  live  situations  on  a  recurring  basis  all  the  time,  when- 
ever we  have  high-risk  search  or  arrest  warrants  that  we  feel  are 
beyond  just  the  normal  group  of  agents  in  the  field  office  to  con- 
duct. 

Mr.  Santorum.  So  you  would  state  that  the  training  that  your 
agents  go  through  is  as  good  or  better  than  any  other  training  that 
any  other  SWAT  team  in  this  country  goes  through? 

Mr.  Troy.  Well,  I  would  not  want  to  characterize  it  as  better 
than  any,  but  I  think  it  is  as  good  as  any  SWAT  team  training  that 
any  police  agency  utilizes. 

Mr.  Santorum.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Santorum. 

The  Chair  wants  to  comment  further  to  you,  Mr.  Troy,  and  to 
you,  Mr.  Higgins.  Earlier  I  had  asked,  knowing  that  the  people  in- 
side that  compound  knew  exactly  when  you  were  coming,  why  you 
still  risked  your  men.  I  do  not  want  to  infer  that  you  knew  there 
would  be  gunfire  and  that  you  knew  that  you  would  lose  your  men, 
they  would  lose  their  lives;  none  of  us  want  to  infer  that. 

But  it  does  bother  me  that  you  knew  from  people  you  had  inside 
that  they  were  prepared  and  were  waiting  for  you.  The  element  of 
surprise  was  gone.  Then  why  did  you  proceed? 

Mr.  HlGGENS.  I  am  not  quarreling  with  your  interpretation.  You 
are  assuming  that  we  knew  certain  things,  and  I  am  saying  that 
there  were  a  lot  of  people  involved  in  the  decisionmaking  process 
who  have  made  statements  to  the  Texas  Rangers.  They  will  also  be 
made  to  the  review  group  that  does  this.  And  then — and  I  think 
that  is  the  appropriate  time — ^you  v\ill  be  able  to  review  what  they 
knew  and  what  they  did  not,  and  you  can  make  a  judgment  as  to 
whether  or  not 

Chairman  P1CKI.E.  And  I  do  not  want  to  be  making  a  judgment 
in  advance,  but  I  think  the  question  must  be  raised  and  will  be 
raised  over  and  over  again. 

Now  the  Chair  wants  to  recognize  Mr.  Merger.  Mr.  Merger. 

Mr.  Merger.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

And,  Mr.  Miggins,  I  just  want  to  be  one  who  makes  sure  that  you 
are  aware  that  I  am  one  who  recognizes  the  very  incredibly  tough, 
almost  impossible  job  that  you  have,  particularly  in  situations  like 
this.  And  again,  it  is  very  easy  to  Monday  morning  quarterback 
how  we  would  have  done  it  differently,  but  yet  certainly  it  is  our 
responsibility  to  examine  what  we  did,  determine  whether  or  not 
there  might  have  been  some  way  we  might  have  done  it  differently, 
if  for  no  other  reason  than  at  least  that  we  can  be  better  prepared 
should  such  a  potential  tragedy  occur  in  the  future. 

You  mentioned  earlier  that  you  were  aware  as  early  as  June  of 
1992  that  there  was  a  problem  taking  place  in  the  Branch 
Davidian.  That  was  when  you  were  first  aware. 

What  period  of  time  were  you  monitoring  them,  monitoring  the 
compound,  prior  to 

Mr.  Miggins.  I  am  not  sure  what  month  we 

Mr.  Merger.  Approximately. 

Mr.  Miggins.  David  may  know  without  even  having  to  look  it  up. 


104 

Mr.  Herger.  Was  it  a  matter  of  weeks,  or  are  we  talking  about 
months? 

Mr.  Troy.  Well,  as  Mr.  Higgins  responded  earlier,  we  got  the  ini- 
tial information  from  a  sheriffs  department  deputy  in  June  of 
1992. 

Mr.  Herger.  Right. 

Mr.  Troy.  The  information  was  not  definitive.  The  information 
was  not  a  case  that  you  can  take  to  the  U.S.  attorney  today;  that 
was  provable.  The  information  was  only  that  these  people  were  ac- 
quiring firearms,  and  there  was  reason  to  believe  that  they  may  be 
acquiring  firearms  and  converting  them  to  full  automatic,  and 
there  was  reason  to  believe  they  may  be  acquiring  explosive  compo- 
nents which  were  legally  bought  and  then  manufacturing  explosive 
devices. 

The  information  was  not  definitive,  and  it  was  certainly  not 
enough  for  any  kind  of  warrant.  But  it  was  enough  for  us  to  react 
to  as  an  agency  charged  with  enforcing  those  laws. 

From  that  point  forward,  we  had  to  basically  build  a  case  from 
the  ground  up.  I  think  it  is  important  to  note  this  was  a  group  peo- 
ple who  were  a  closed  society.  You  could  not  walk  up  to  the  front 
door  and  strike  up  a  conversation  with  these  people.  It  took  a  long 
time  for  us  to  get  to  the  point  that  we  could  introduce  undercover 
agents  into  that  compound  successfully  and  get  the  intelligence  in- 
formation that  we  needed  to  get  the  probable  cause  to  satisfy  the 
magistrate. 

It  took  us  9  months  approximately,  from  June  of  1992  until  Feb- 
ruary of  1993,  to  have  the  probable  cause  necessary  to  get  an  ar- 
rest warrant  for  Vernon  Howell  and  a  search  warrant  for  the 
compound. 

In  a  case  of  this  size,  with  the  problems  that  are  involved  due 
to  the  fact  that  it  was  a  closed  society  and  it  was  not  a  situation 
that  you  could  infiltrate  very  easily,  9  months  was  really  not  that 
long  a  time,  as  most  criminal  investigations  go  on  large  groups  of 
people,  particularly  those  that  are  so  paranoid  about  Taw  enforce- 
ment. 

This  group  of  people  was  extremely  paranoid,  particularly  Ver- 
non Howell,  about  law  enforcement,  about  ATF  in  particular.  They 
were  very  well  aware  of  ATF.  They  knew  who  we  were,  and  they 
knew  what  our  mission  was. 

And  I  suggest  to  you,  there  is  one  very  good  reason  that  that  is 
true.  They  were,  in  my  opinion,  in  gross  violation  of  the  Federal 
firearms  laws  and  the  explosives  laws,  and  they  knew  that  we  were 
the  agency  who  enforces  those  laws,  and  quite  frankly  they  knew 
some  day  they  were  going  to  have  to  be  called  to  account  for  that. 
That  is  the  reason  that  they  were  as  paranoid  as  they  were,  and 
that  is  the  reason  it  took  so  long  to  get  the  information  necessary 
to  secure  a  warrant. 

But  9  months  is  not  that  long  in  a  complicated  case  like  that. 

Mr.  Herger.  Did  these  individuals,  Mr.  Koresh  and  several  of 
the  others  that  you  have  mentioned  that  seemed  to  be  particularly 
potentially  dangerous,  would  they  leave  the  compound  from  time  to 
time? 

Mr.  Troy.  During  the  course  of  our  investigation,  Mr.  Howell 
was  off  the  compoimd  on  many  different  occasions.  However,  at  no 


105 

time  did  we  observe  him  off  the  compound  after  we  had  an  arrest 
warrant  for  him. 

We  have  been  criticized  for  that  in  the  press  saying:  Well,  why 
did  you  not  arrest  this  guv  when  he  was  down  at  the  7-Eleven? 
Well,  we  would  have  been  happy  to  do  so,  if  we  had  had  an  arrest 
warrant  for  him,  but  our  investigation  had  not  developed  the  prob- 
able cause  necessary  to  get  the  warrant. 

Once  we  had  the  probable  cause,  he  was  so  heated  up  over  what 
he  considered  to  be  the  Grovemment  interfering  in  his  business  in 
general,  not  necessarily  ATF  in  particular,  that  he  would  not  come 
off  the  compound.  He  made  it  very  clear,  and  our  undercover 
agents  heard  him  say  it.  He  was  not  leaving  that  compound;  he 
was  never  going  off  the  compound.  He  had  been  called  into  account 
on  a  couple  of  occasions  by  the  Child  Welfare  Services  because  of 
rumors  and  innuendo  and  conversation  that  there  was  child  abuse 
going  on  inside  the  compound.  He  had  gone  to  a  couple  of  meetings 
off  the  compound,  and  he  was  very,  very  nervous  about  that,  and 
he  made  it  clear  that  he  was  never  leaving. 

We  never  saw  him  off  the  compound  afber  we  had  an  arrest  war- 
rant for  him,  or  he  would  have  been  in  jail.  But  we  would  still  have 
had  to  serve  the  search  warrant  on  the  compound.  And  I  think  the 
FBI's  51-day  attempt  at  negotiating  those  people  out  of  there 
proved  that  the  people  behind  Vernon  Howell  were  just  as  violent, 
just  as  irrational,  and  just  as  willing  to  open  fire  on  law  enforce- 
ment officers  without  any  provocation  whatsoever. 

So  serving  the  search  warrant  after  Vernon  Howell  was  in  jail, 
we  could  have  had  exactly  the  same  problem  that  occurred  on  Feb- 
ruary 28  when  he  was  inside. 

Mr.  Herger.  So  what  I  in  essence  hear  you  saying  is,  some  of 
the  concern  that  perhaps  we  did  not  wait  for  them  to  come  out  and 
then  arrest  them  at  that  time  is  really  not  really  founded.  They 
really  were  not  leaving  the  compound  from  the  time  you  had  your 
arrest  warrant;  is  that  correct? 

Mr.  Troy.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Herger.  So  therefore  the  only  way  you  could  serve  it  was 
to  do  what  you  did. 

Mr.  Troy.  Right.  He  was  not  leaving  the  compound. 

Now  there  have  been  a  couple  of  statements  made  in  Waco  by 
persons  in  the  news  media  that  he  was  seen  a  week  or  2  weeks  be- 
fore the  raid.  And  we  are  not  disputing  that  fact.  We  were  not  con- 
ducting a  24-hour  surveillance  on  Vernon  Howell,  because  it  was 
impossible  to  do  so  without  blowing  our  whole  investigation.  We 
could  not  camp  on  that  guy's  doorstep  and  follow  him  everywhere 
he  went,  or  we  would  have  blown  the  whole  thing.  We  would  have 
been  unable  to  even  make  a  case,  if,  in  fact,  we  would  not  have  had 
what  happened  on  the  28th. 

So  we  will  not  dispute  the  fact  that  at  some  point  in  time  he 
might  have  gotten  off  the  compound  and  gone  down  to  a  local  store 
or  whatever  and  then  got  back  on.  He  could  have  done  that.  But 
in  order  to  arrest  him,  we  would  have  had  to  camp  on  his  doorstep 
so  closely  we  would  have  blown  the  whole  case,  i^d  that  just  was 
not  a  realistic  way  to  approach  it. 

Mr.  Herger.  Very  good.  Thank  you. 


106 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  Mr.  Troy,  I  asked  the  question:  Why 
would  it  take  you  9  months  to  make  a  case  when  you  had  factual 
evidence  that  these  ammunition  parts  were  being  sent  in,  that  they 
were  in  violation  of  our  Tax  Code  and  the  firearms  laws?  And  I 
think  the  question  will  remain  with  the  American  people,  why  it 
would  take  you  that  long  to  make  a  case. 

It  bothers  me  that  you  said  that  you  knew  he,  the  man  in  charge, 
was  a  violent  person.  He  was  a  nut,  and  he  was. 

But  you  said  the  rest  of  them  are  just  as  violent,  or  many  of 
them  were.  Now  you  knew  that,  and  you  knew  there  was  no  ele- 
ment of  surprise  that  Sunday  morning,  and  yet  you  moved  in.  And 
the  question  is:  Did  you  move  in  at  the  right  time? 

Mr.  Troy.  I  understand. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  do  not  think  we  should  be  passing  judgment, 
but  I  think  that  is  a  question  that  people  have  to  ask  each  other, 
and  I  think  it  is  a  legitimate  question  that  will  continue  to  be 
asked. 

Mr.  Troy.  I  agree  with  you.  I  think  that  is  a  fair  question. 

Chairman  Fickle.  I  do  not  think  the  question  is  whether  your 
people  were  trained.  I  think  they  were  trained.  It  is  not  a  question 
of  whether  you  do  a  good  job.  You  do  a  good  job.  The  question  is 
now:  Was  this  the  right  thing  to  happen? 

But  whenever  you  let  a  compound  of  that  kind  get  firearms  and 
build  up  to  the  degree  of  potential  offensive  action  that  thev  had, 
then  you  are  going  to  expect  death  and  destruction.  I  think  that 
probably  did  happen. 

Now  before  I  recognize  you,  Mr.  Higgins,  you  said  that  16  men 
were  injured.  How  are  they  doing? 

Mr.  Higgins.  Physically  very  well,  thank  you. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Good. 

Mr.  Higgins.  Of  the  most  seriously  injured,  two  of  the  three  ac- 
tually, one  is  back  at  work  and  working  strong,  and  the  other  has 
been  in  part  time.  Most  of  the  others  are  back  at  work. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  that  is  good  news. 

Mr.  Higgins.  Very  strong  individuals. 

Chairman  Pickle.  That  is  good  news  to  have. 

Now  let  me  ask  you  another  question.  You,  the  ATF,  you  are  the 
arson  and  explosive  experts  in  our  Grovernment. 

Mr.  Higgins.  Correct. 

Chairman  Pickle.  You,  of  all  aspects  of  our  Government,  are 
charged  with  investigating  explosives  and  arson.  I  think  the  Amer- 
ican people  in  this  instance  want  to  know:  What  caused  the  explo- 
sion and  the  fire  in  that  compound? 

Mr.  Higgins.  Because  we  are  the  experts,  we  realize  that  it 
sometimes  takes  a  long  time  when  you  have  a  crime  scene  like  that 
to  find  out  exactly  what  happened. 

Because  of  the  fact  that  we  were  initially  involved  in  this  inci- 
dent, that  crime  scene  search  will  be  made  and  coordinated  by  the 
Rangers  in  this  case  with 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  What  do  you  think  caused  the  fire? 

Mr.  Higgins.  It  would  only  be  speculation  on  my  part,  and  I  do 
not  see  how  that  would  be  helpful.  I  would  not  even  want  to  specu- 
late. 


107 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  understand  that  some  of  the  authorities  said 
they  witnessed  somebody  from  within  the  compound.  Did  you? 

Mr.  HiGGESfs.  I  did  not  personally.  I  have  seen  the  same  report. 
I  think  that  is  a  question  that  should  be  asked  of  the  people  who 
could  see  the  compound  and  were  there.  I  have  no  reason  to  doubt 
that  what  the  FBI  described  as  happening,  happened.  I  simply  did 
not  see  it,  and  I  do  not  have  any  independent  information  about 
it. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  as  experts,  you  are  the  only  one  who  can 
really  definitively  tell  us  what  caused  the  fire,  who  set  it  and  how 
it  came  about.  It  will  be  in  your  hands,  and  you  do  not  have  any 
comment  to  make  at  this  time? 

Mr.  HlGGENS.  No.  In  this  case,  it  will  not  be  in  our  hands.  It  will 
be  done  by  the  Texas  Rangers. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  do  not  know  whether  I  ought  to  take  comfort 
in  being  from  Texas  that  that  is  the  case  or  not.  [Laughter.] 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  have  a  lot  of  confidence  in  them,  and  I  think  they 
will  have  good  assistance. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  am  glad  you  could  give  them  help  on  that. 

But,  we  are  interested  in  knowing.  The  big  question  is:  How  did 
the  fire  get  started?  Was  it  through  any  aspect  of  the  tear  gas? 
Was  it  a  combination?  And  a  lot  of  other  questions.  I  think  that 
is  going  to  be  the  big  question  that  needs  to  be  answered. 

Now  let  me  yield  now  to  Mr.  Jefferson  again.  Mr.  Jefferson. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  just  have  a  few  questions  more.  I  have  deliberately  avoided  ask- 
ing questions  about  the  Waco  incident,  inasmuch  as  the  Chairman 
and  the  other  committee  members  have  done  a  fine  job  of  covering 
that  subject. 

And  so  the  one  I  have  now  is  not  really  an  oblique  reference  of 
any  kind  to  that  and  is  not  asked  in  light  of  the  Waco  incident.  But 
it  may  be  viewed  as  having  something  to  do  that,  and  so  I  wanted 
to  say  that  it  really  does  not. 

But  ATF's  operations,  from  your  testimony  and  what  I  have 
heard  today  from  you  and  other  witnesses,  covered  a  varied  range 
of  responsibilities,  including  tax  collection,  firearms  enforcement, 
alcoholic  beverage  testing  and  labeling,  safe  explosive  storage,  re- 
ducing firearms  possession  of  career  criminals,  eliminating  drug 
trafficking  by  violent  gangs,  preventing  and  investigating  arson, 
and  the  list  goes  on  and  on. 

.  Some  of  these  responsibilities  are  also  shared,  from  what  you 
have  said  in  the  testimony,  by  other  Federal  enforcement  agencies. 

The  question  is:  Is  ATF  doing  too  much?  Is  it  spread  too  thin? 
Would  certain  ATF  functions  be  better  placed  in  different  Federal 
law  enforcement  departments?  Can  the  responsibilities  that  you 
are  assigned  to  handle  now  be  handled  better  if  it  is  done  dif- 
ferently, or  can  you  do  the  job  you  have  now  been  assigned  to  do 
by  the  Congress? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  I  think  the  name.  Alcohol,  Tobacco  and  Firearms— 
and  if  you  added  explosives  to  that,  you  would  have  an  even  more 
awkward  name — gives  the  impression  that  we  enforce  a  lot  of  stat- 
utes. But  when  you  look  at,  for  example,  what  other  Federal  agen- 
cies enforce,  whether  it  be  the  FBI,  the  U.S.  Customs  Service,  or 
others,  they  are  enforcing  hundreds,  if  not  thousands  of  statutes. 


108 

So  I  do  not  think  we  are  spread  as  thinly  as  some  other  agencies. 
So  I  am  not  think  it  is  a  question  of  having  too  much  responsibihty. 

Certainly  we  would  always  like  to  have  more  people,  and  I  do  not 
know  any  bureaucrat  who  would  not.  But  I  think  we  have  tried  to 
prioritize  in  such  a  way  that  we  handle  these  in  a  responsible,  ef- 
fective way.  If  other  people  want  to  examine  whether  or  not  the 
ATF  should  exist,  they  have  a  right  to  do  that. 

In  my  own  personal  view — and  I  am  not  unbiased — I  do  not 
think  change  for  the  sake  of  change  makes  any  sense. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  that  is  why  I  asked  the  question.  No  one 
is  interested  in  change  for  the  sake  of  change.  But  the  problems 
you  have  talked  about  are  huge  ones.  Waco  is  an  isolated  incident 
in  light  of  all  of  the  responsibilities  you  have.  But  taking  Waco  out 
of  it  and  looking  at  all  the  rest  of  it,  it  is  an  area  that  is  fraught 
with  all  sorts  of  dangers  and  new  activities  and  uncertainties. 

And  the  question  is:  Can  we  get  the  job  done  through  ATF?  You 
apparently  think  that  we  can,  and  that  is  why  I  asked  the  ques- 
tion. 

Now  there  are  some  things  we  will  have  to,  I  guess,  explore  as 
we  go  along. 

Related  to  that,  the  President  has  proposed  some  increases  in  ex- 
cise taxes  on — substantial  increases  on  cigarettes  and  a  few  other 
areas  within  the  range  of  your  responsibility. 

Is  ATF  set  up  to  deal  with  the  problem  of  increases  in  tax  eva- 
sion that  might  result  from  additional  excise  tax  collection  respon- 
sibility? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  The  difficulty  in  answering  the  question  is,  I  am 
not  sure  what  resources  we  would  get  in  order  to  do  that.  There 
has  not  been  a  discussion  of  that. 

The  number  of,  for  example,  tobacco  excise  taxpayers,  if  the  tax 
continues  to  be  collected  at  the  manufacturer's  level,  which  I  as- 
sume it  would  be,  is  relatively  small,  and  we  could  effect  almost 
complete  audit  coverage.  So  I  do  not  see  the  tobacco  area  as  being 
one  that  even  necessarily  requires  a  lot  more  resources.  But  it  is 
hard,  without  knowing  how  many 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  would  you  expect  there  to  be  more  of  an 
attempt  to  evade  the  excise  tax  when  it  is  $1  or  $2  a  pack,  rather 
than  25  cents  a  pack? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  There  is  always  that  possibility.  I  think  we  saw  it 
happen  in  Canada.  We  are  working  a  number  of  cases  where  the 
taxes  have  gone  very,  very  high  in  Canada,  and  cigarettes  are 
being  smuggled  or  sent  into  the  United  States  and  then  smuggled 
back  to  Canada.  These  are  Canadian  cigarettes.  We  know  the 
temptation  increases  as  the  taxes  increase. 

The  reason  that  I  cannot  say  whether  or  not  we  can  eff*ectively 
handle  it  is,  I  do  not  know  how  many  resources  we  will  get  to  react 
to  that.  But  whatever  it  is,  we  will  do  the  best  we  can. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  does  your  budget  assume  any  evasion  lev- 
els, any  increased  evasion  levels? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Our  budget  is  pretty  much  flat  in  those  areas.  It 
assumes  the  same  compliance  levels.  It  is  not  based  on  any 
additional 


109 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Realistically,  do  you  think  there  may  be  some 
tendency  toward  evasion,  and  is  there  no  assumption  built  into  the 
budget  numbers  to  take  that  into  account? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  Unfortunately,  they  will  not  let  us  budget  on  the 
fact  that  there  may  be  a  tax  increase.  We  have  to  deal  with  what 
there  is  now.  The  only  exception  to  that  is  in  the  user  fee  proposal, 
and  that  is  based  on  whether  or  not  there  would  be  a  user  fee  pro- 
posal. But  then  again,  that  will  just  be  a  reimbursable  type  ar- 
rangement. 

So  they  will  not  let  us  staff  up  in  anticipation  of  a  tax  increase. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  I  do  not  have  any  further  questions. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Mr.  Houghton,  you  are  recognized  again.  Mr. 
Houghton. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Yes,  Mr.  Chairman,  very  briefly,  again  I  want  to 
thank  you  gentlemen  for  being  here,  and  thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman, 
for  holding  the  hearing. 

Clearly  there  are  issues  that  have  not  been  discussed  here.  There 
are  answers  which  are  not  forthcoming.  You  do  not  have  the  infor- 
mation. 

But  I  think  we  ought  to  get  that  information,  and  I  expect  that 
you  will  provide  that  to  us. 

Also  I  would  hate  to  have  us  sitting  here  a  year  from  now  and 
having  another  tragic  incident  take  place  and  saying:  Well,  we  did 
not  have  the  coordination;  we  did  not  have  the  budget;  we  did  not 
think  through  what  our  new  mission  was. 

We  have  just  got  to  put  that  into  better  perspective,  and  I  hope 
you  will  do  that  for  us. 

Thank  you. 

Chairman  PlCKlJ^..  Well,  Mr.  Higgins  and  Mr.  Black  and  Mr. 
Troy,  I  think  you  have  been  very  forthcoming  and  very  candid  in 
your  statements  today.  We  appreciate  your  statements,  and  we  ap- 
preciate your  appearance. 

I  have  a  lot  of  questions  about  what  has  happened,  and  I  think 
a  lot  of  Americans  have  the  same  thing.  You  are  going  to  be 
bombarded  for  an  explanation  of  why  did  you  do  this.  I  have  the 
feeling  that  the  outcome  was  inevitable,  once  you  let  a  compound 
get  started,  you  let  explosives  get  into  their  hands,  and  they  are 
locked  up  in  the  compound.  You  know  what  the  results  are  going 
to  be.  Maybe  the  results  that  happened  were  inevitable.  So  I  do  not 
think  we  ought  to  judge.  I  think  probably  overall  we  have  handled 
the  case  maybe  about  as  well  as  we  could  have.  I  am  not  passing 
judgment  on  that,  but  that  is  a  personal  feeling. 

I  know  that  inside  you  had  a  nut  running  that  compound,  and 
people  were  willing  to  follow  him,  and  he  kept  saving  he  was  wait- 
ing for  the  word  of  God,  and  I  do  not  think  God  had  a  thing  to  do 
with  it.  I  think  we  were  just  dealing  with  an  egomaniac. 

Now  this  has  happened,  and  we  have  to  answer  a  lot  of  ques- 
tions. This  committee  first,  with  jurisdiction  over  the  ongoing  au- 
thorization of  your  program,  we  must  ask  a  lot  of  these  questions. 

Our  primary  concern  at  this  point  is:  What  is  going  to  happen 
to  your  program? 

You  testified  about  1993  cuts  in  the  inspection  program  and  that 
these  additional  costs  that  you  have  incurred  may  have  a  direct  ef- 


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feet  on  your  further  compliance  program.  Is  this  going  to  be  a  seri- 
ous problem  for  you? 

Mr.  HiGGiNS.  We  will  take  everjrthing  out  of  the  nonrevenue  pro- 
grams to  make  sure  that  any  impact  on  the  revenue  collection  is 
minimized  to  the  greatest  extent  possible.  That  is  the  best  promise 
I  can  make  you. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  you  have  gone  from  4,400  alcohol  com- 
pliance inspections  down  to  less  than  3,700  without  the  World 
Trade  and  the  Waco  incident.  Will  that  not  make  your  program 
much  more  complicated  and  much  more  difficult  to  operate?  Will 
that  lessen  the  degree  of  compliance  that  we  can  expect  in  this  pro- 
gram in  the  nextyear? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS,  Trie  reduction  in  the  numbers,  I  think,  is  partially 
due  to  the  fact  that  we  conducted  a  number  of  floor  stocks  tax  in- 
spections in  the  alcohol  program  that  would  not  continue  next  year. 
So  some  of  that  is  deceiving  when  you  look  at  the  numbers. 

With  respect  to  the  compliance  levels  of  those  returns  we  are  au- 
diting, we  are  going  to  keep  the  highest  level  we  can,  and,  you 
know,  we  are  doing  the  best  we  can. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  would  hope  that  you  would  keep  in  touch. 
We  ask  you  to  keep  in  touch  with  this  subcommittee,  because  we 
may  want  to  have  an  update  on  your  budget. 

Mr.  HlGGDSfS.  Yes,  sir. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Regarding  the  budget  figures,  we  need  to 
know  further  the  costs  of  the  World  Trade  and  the  Waco  incidents, 
and  we  may  want  to  have  additional  hearings  or  at  least  have  fur- 
ther contact  with  you. 

We  know  that  ongoing  questions  are  going  to  be  asked,  and  some 
of  them  need  to  be  answered,  some  necessarily. 

Did  you  give  exclusive  rights  to  a  TV  network  to  cover  your  raid? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  If  we  did,  I  did  not  know  about  it.  No. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  how  were  they  there? 

Mr.  HiGGlNS.  You  know,  that  is  part  of  the  investigation  as  to 
how  people  were  there.  If  the  media  wants  to  know  that,  the  easi- 
est thing  it  seems  would  be  to  ask  the  media  present  why  they 
were  there.  I  mean,  you  do  not  need  to  ask  ATF. 

Chairman  Pickle.  But  obviously  there  was  no  element  of  sur- 
prise that  morning,  was  there? 

[No  response.] 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  again,  I  want  to  thank  you  for  coming. 
We  want  you  to  keep  up  your  work,  because  you  are  valuable. 

I  do  think  the  question  may  be  raised  now  with  respect  to  juris- 
diction. At  one  time,  it  was  suggested  that  this  agency  might  be 
folded  into  the  Justice  Department.  I  do  not  know  whether  that  is 
advisable  or  not.  But  I  do  think  you  have  important  jurisdiction, 
probably  more  so  than  any  other  law  enforcement  agency.  You  go 
not  only  to  alcohol,  tobacco,  and  firearms  laws;  you  also  get  into  the 
question  of  tax  evasion.  So  you  are  a  valuable  agency.  How  you  op- 
erate is  something,  of  course,  that  remains  to  be  seen. 

So,  we  are  not  trying  to  pass  judgment  on  your  overall  operation, 
except  that  we  think  you  do  a  good  job.  Secondly,  we  are  looking 
forward  to  other  questions,  and  we  know  you  will  be  forthcoming. 

Do  you  have  any  other  questions,  Mr.  Houghton,  at  this  time? 

Mr.  Houghton.  No,  sir. 


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Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  we  thank  you  for  your  appearance.  We 
appreciate  your  attendance.  The  committee  is  adjourned. 

[Whereupon,  at  11:49  a.m.,  the  subcommittee  adjourned,  to  re- 
convene at  9  a.m.,  Wednesday,  April  28,  1993.] 


ADMmiSTRATION'S  FISCAL  YEAR  1994  BUDG- 
ET PROPOSAL  FOR  THE  INTERNAL  REVE- 
NUE SERVICE 


WEDNESDAY,  APRIL  28,  1993 

House  of  REPRESEhfTATivEs, 
Committee  on  Ways  and  Means, 

Subcommittee  on  Oversight, 

Washington,  B.C. 

The  subcommittee  met,  pursuant  to  notice,  at  8:34  a.m.,  in  room 
1100,  Longworth  House  Office  Building,  Hon.  J.  J.  Pickle  (chair- 
man of  the  subcommittee)  presiding. 

Chairman  Pickle.  We  will  ask  the  subcommittee  to  please  come 
to  order. 

We  have  a  series  of  subcommittee  hearings  this  morning,  and 
this  subcommittee  will  proceed  until  at  least  10:30,  at  which  time 
some  of  the  members  may  go  to  a  subcommittee  markup  or  another 
subcommittee,  and  then  we  may  have  a  5-  or  10-minute  recess  at 
that  point.  But  we  will  make  as  much  time  as  we  can.  In  the  mean- 
time, I  am  going  to  make  an  opening  statement  and  then  yield  to 
Mr.  Houghton.  And  then,  Mr.  Dolan,  if  you  will  proceed  in  what- 
ever form  you  wish  by  way  of  summary,  then  we  can  get  into  some 
of  these  questions.  Is  that  satisfactory? 

All  right. 

The  Subcommittee  on  Oversight  is  meeting  to  review  the  admin- 
istration's fiscal  year  1994  budget  proposal  for  the  Internal  Reve- 
nue Service.  The  President  recently  nominated  Ms.  Margaret  Rich- 
ardson to  be  the  new  IRS  Commissioner.  She  has  not  been  con- 
firmed yet,  so  Mr.  Michael  Dolan,  Acting  Commissioner,  will  testify 
on  behalf  of  IRS,  and  we  are  glad  that  he  is  with  us  today.  I  re- 
serve the  right  to  hold  additional  hearings  with  the  new  Commis- 
sioner on  issues  not  covered  today. 

I  might  point  out  that  Mrs.  Richardson  is  with  us  today,  and 
though  she  is  not  a  witness,  she  is  here,  and  we  are  delighted  to 
have  you.  We  look  forward  to  when  you  are  confirmed. 

When  the  new  Commissioner  takes  over  at  the  helm  of  IRS — 
these  are  sobering  thoughts,  Ms.  Richardson — she  will  inherit  an 
agency  with  a  budget  that  exceeds  $7  billion,  employs  116,000  em- 
ployees, and  collects  more  than  $1.2  trillion  in  taxes.  She  will  be 
confronted  with  directing  a  decentralized  bureaucracy  that  is  strug- 
gling to  modernize  its  antiquated  computer  systems,  collect  more 
than  $110  billion  in  delinquent  taxes,  and  close  an  exploding  tax 
gap  that  currently  exceeds  $127  billion  annually.  She  will  lead  an 
examination  force  that  has  witnessed  the   audit  rate   plunge  to 

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below  1  percent.  She  will  be  in  charge  of  an  agency  with  almost 
5,000  law  enforcement  agents  that  sometimes  spend  more  time 
chasing  drug  dealers  than  catching  criminal  tax  cheaters.  She  will 
assume  the  awesome  task  of  running  this  huge,  mind-boggling  pro- 
duction machine  at  a  time  when  taxpayers  are  becoming  increas- 
ingly dissatisfied  with  Government  and  its  tax  collector. 

I  personally  believe  our  tax  system  is  at  a  crossroads  with  many 
critical  decisions  to  be  made  in  the  months  ahead.  The  problems 
confronting  the  IRS  are  serious  and  will  not  be  easily  resolved. 
There  is  evidence  that  voluntary  compliance,  which  has  held  steady 
for  years,  is  beginning  to  slip.  While  most  taxpayers  met  the  April 
15  deadline  and  filed  their  Federal  income  tax  returns,  we  know 
that  10  million  people  didn't  bother  to  file  and  some  will  never  be 
caught. 

According  to  IRS,  more  than  $50  billion  in  tax  revenues  will  be 
lost  in  the  next  5  years  due  to  nonfiling.  We  also  know  that  foreign 
corporations  taking  advantage  of  our  accessible  and  lucrative 
consumer  markets  are  avoiding  billions  in  taxes  as  IRS's  inter- 
national enforcement  efforts  are  plagued  by  program  and  manage- 
ment weaknesses.  We  know  that  individuals  who  operate  in  the 
cash  economy  and  purchase  luxury  items,  like  cars  and  jewelry, 
frequently  underreport  their  income,  while  many  don't  bother  to 
file  income  tax  returns  at  all.  There  is  a  growing  public  perception 
that  only  "suckers"  pay  taxes.  While  this  is  far  from  true,  it  is  im- 
portant that  we  don't  lose  the  confidence  of  the  taxpaying  public. 

Over  the  past  few  years.  Congress  has  pumped  an  enormous  sum 
of  money  into  the  operations  of  IRS.  The  Congress,  and  this  sub- 
committee in  particular,  I  think,  have  tried  to  give  IRS  the  re- 
sources necessary  to  preserve  our  voluntary  tax  system.  We  have 
supported  tax  systems  modernization — a  very  expensive  undertak- 
ing to  update  IRS's  computer  systems — and  we  have  constantly 
sought  adequate  funding  for  compliance  programs  and  taxpayer 
services.  We  have  sought  to  ensure  that  IRS  collects  the  proper 
amount  of  tax  revenue,  at  the  least  cost  to  the  taxpayer,  while  pro- 
viding quality  service.  We  have  routinely  developed  "taxpayer  bill 
of  rights"  legislation  because  taxpayers  have  a  right  to  expect  fair 
and  equitable  treatment  by  IRS  employees.  The  public  deserves  no 
less. 

As  this  new  administration  takes  over,  I  think  it  is  appropriate 
to  reassess  our  vision  for  IRS.  We  should  see  IRS  as  an  agency 
where  taxpayers  are  afforded  more  protections  and  safeguards; 
where  notices,  letters,  and  bills  sent  to  taxpayers  are  instructive 
and  make  sense;  where  taxpayers  are  able  to  resolve  their  disputes 
with  IRS  in  a  more  timely  and  less  costly  manner;  where  the  tax 
collector  is  often  more  concerned  with  those  deliberately  cheating 
the  system  than  those  striving  to  comply  with  tax  laws;  where  the 
agency  provides  accurate  information  and  prompt  answers  to  tax- 
payer questions;  where  IRS  personnel  view  taxpayers  as  customers 
and  not  scoflflaws;  and  where  new  technologies  can  be  timely  em- 
ployed to  increase  work  productivity  and  reduce  waste  of  precious 
Government  resources. 

Today's  hearing  will  go  beyond  a  numerical  discussion  of  staffing 
and  funding  levels  for  tne  various  appropriations  accounts.  The  fis- 
cal year  1994  budget  proposal  for  IRS  represents  the  new  adminis- 


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tration's  tax  policy  and  the  administration's  judgment  as  to  how 
many  auditors,  agents,  attorneys,  and  others  are  necessary  to  effec- 
tively administer  our  tax  system.  Our  purpose  today  is  to  review 
the  administration's  proposal,  question  its  vision  for  IRS's  future, 
and  establish  a  record  in  which  to  hold  IRS  accountable  for  the 
promises  it  makes.  We  will  report  our  findings  and  concerns  about 
IRS's  programs  and  funding  to  the  Committee  on  Appropriations  in 
time  for  their  markup  next  month.  With  the  cooperation  of  the  wit- 
nesses, I  am  confident  that  this  hearing  will  prove  fruitful  today. 

Now,  the  Chair  will  yield  to  Mr.  Houghton  for  any  opening  state- 
ment he  may  wish  to  make.  Mr.  Houghton. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman.  Mr.  Dolan,  Ms.  Rich- 
ardson, gentlemen,  ladies,  good  to  have  you  here. 

This  is  an  important  session  for  a  variety  of  different  reasons, 
not  necessarily  because  of  the  budget  at  hand,  but  really  for  the 
budget  that  might  be. 

I  am,  as  an  accountant,  obviously  interested  in  what  you  are 
spending,  the  proportions,  changing  the  trends,  whether  you  are 
over  or  under  your  budget,  things  like  that.  The  question  that  real- 
ly is  foremost  on  my  mind,  and  maybe  others,  is  what  happens 
with  the  next  tax  changes. 

I  haven't  been  on  the  Ways  and  Means  Committee  very  long,  but 
clearly  in  the  next  2  to  3  weeks  there  is  going  to  be  a  vast  dif- 
ference in  what  we  have  done  than  in  the  past,  and  it  will  affect 
all  of  America.  And  as  a  result,  you,  when  you  take  a  look  at  the 
President's  new  investment  tax  proposal,  the  Btu  tax,  and  some  of 
the  history  which  you  have  with  the  crude  oil  windfall  profits  tax 
in  1980,  whether  there  is  any  application  of  those  types  of  experi- 
ences here. 

What  are  you  going  to  need?  What  is  going  to  happen?  How  can 
you  keep  your  budget  at  a  reasonable  level  and  at  tne  same  time 
take  on  all  these  new  responsibilities?  Those  are  the  things  in 
which  I  am  going  to  be  particularly  interested.  We  are  delighted  to 
have  you  here. 

Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you. 

Now  we  have  a  panel  led  by  Acting  Commissioner  Mike  Dolan. 
Mike,  why  don't  you  introduce  all  the  members  of  your  panel  with 
you,  and  then  we  will  proceed  with  your  testimony. 

STATEMENT  OF  MICHAEL  P.  DOLAN,  ACTING  COMMISSIONER, 
INTERNAL  REVENUE  SERVICE;  ACCOMPANIED  BY  DAVID  G. 
BLATTNER,  CHIEF  OPERATIONS  OFFICER;  PHILIP  G.  BRAND, 
CHIEF  FINANCIAL  OFFICER;  HENRY  H.  PHILCOX,  CHIEF  IN- 
FORMATION  OFFICER;  AND  LEE  R.  MONKS,  ACTING  TAX- 
PAYER OMBUDSMAN 

Mr.  Dolan.  I  would  be  happy  to,  Mr.  Chairman.  Good  morning 
to  you  and  Mr.  Houghton  both.  It  is  nice  to  be  back.  It  seems  like 
just  yesterday  we  were  up  here  to  talk  about  tax  systems  mod- 
ernization, but  today  we  are  going  to  talk  about  a  broader  range 
of  subjects,  both  as  a  result  of  the  budget  being  before  this  sub- 
committee, but  also  based  on  the  expressed  interest  that  you  both 
just  articulated  in  your  opening  comments. 


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I  think  many  of  the  folks  with  me  this  morning  are  not  strangers 
to  this  subcommittee.  On  my  far  left  is  Hank  Philcox,  who  is  our 
chief  information  officer.  Next  to  him  is  Dave  Blattner,  our  chief 
operations  officer.  On  my  right  is  Phil  Brand,  our  chief  financial  of- 
ficer. And  someone  who  is  new  to  this  subcommittee  is  a  gentleman 
who  has  been  acting  as  our  ombudsman  for  the  last  90  days.  In  his 
normal  life,  he  is  the  district  director  in  Little  Rock,  but  Lee  Monks 
is  with  us  this  morning  and  has  been  our  acting  ombudsman  since 
Damon  Holmes  retired. 

I  also  have  with  me  an  assortment  of  other  expertise,  including 
our  acting  chief  counsel,  Dave  Jordan,  as  well  as  some  other  sub- 
ject-matter experts  to  the  extent  that  your  questions  or  interest 
take  us  in  that  direction. 

What  I  am  going  to  do,  Mr.  Chairman,  with  your  permission,  is 
to,  as  I  mentioned  to  you  before,  summarize  from  the  statement 
that  you  have  in  fi*ont  of  you,  and  what  I  will  try  to  do  is  walk 
through  the  pages  so  that  you  know  where  I  am  at  any  given  time. 
For  starters,  I  would  begin  at  the  middle  of  page  1,  and  recap  for 
you  the  fact  that  our  1994  proposed  budget  is  for  a  total  amount 
of  almost  $7.4  billion,  and  that,  with  reference  to  our  1993  budget, 
represents  an  increase  of  $284  million  and  792  positions.  While 
these  net  increases  represent  the  smallest  request  in  the  last  4 
years,  there  are  below  those  numbers  significant  reallocations  of 
funds  among  programs. 

Our  budget  attempts  to  balance  four  primary  requirements,  the 
first  of  which  is  to  achieve  the  President's  objective  to  cut  overhead 
and  staffing;  the  second,  a  very  major  one,  to  which  you  both  re- 
ferred, is  the  continuing  modernization  of  our  tax  system.  Third, 
there  are  a  series  of  initiatives  in  our  budget  designed  to  improve 
compliance.  In  11  discrete  areas,  we  have  proposed  initiatives  that 
we  think  will  improve  compliance.  And,  fourth,  there  is  a  segment 
of  this  budget  request  that  attempts  to  make  internal  adjustments 
to  account  for  some  of  the  issues  I  think,  Mr.  Houghton,  that  you 
may  be  interested  in. 

Our  major  requests  for  increases  include  $186  million  to  continue 
our  tax  systems  modernization,  another  $207  million  for  mandatory 
cost  increases  to  maintain  current  programs,  and  then  $150  million 
for  the  compliance  initiatives  that  I  mentioned.  These  costs, 
though,  are  partially  offset  by  300  million  dollars'  worth  of  reduc- 
tions that  we  are  taking  ourselves  as  a  result  of  the  early  yield 
from  tax  systems  modernization  and  application  of  the  President's 
injunction  to  cut  overhead  and  reduce  staffing. 

In  the  area  of  reducing  overhead,  the  bottom  of  page  1,  the  IRS 
will  clearly  accept  the  President's  challenge  in  this  key  area.  As  we 
continue  to  improve  our  technology  and  our  systems,  we  think  we 
are  going  to  be  able  to  produce  even  greater  productivity. 

For  IRS,  the  President's  goal  for  reducing  Federal  employment 
translates  to  a  3-year  reduction  in  staff  of  some  4,700  positions.  As 
a  result  of  tax  systems  modernization  efforts  to  date,  we  expect  to 
be  able  to  achieve  a  large  part  of  the  fiscal  year  1994  goal  by  reduc- 
ing 1,200  positions  through  increased  proauctivity.  The  balance  of 
our  1994  allotment  we  plan  to  achieve  by  streamlining  our  head- 
quarters and  field  management  staffs,  a  subject  matter  that  I  know 


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you  have  been  interested  in  and  have  asked  for  GAO  to  do  some 
work  within  the  organization. 

Maintaining  our  frontline  compHance  activities,  though,  is  a  pri- 
ority for  us;  and  consequently,  while  staffing  for  these  programs  re- 
flects some  adjustments  from  the  systems-related  productivity  sav- 
ings, none  of  the  additional  reductions  required  to  meet  the  Presi- 
dent's goal  have  been  taken  from  our  front-line  compliance  activi- 
ties. 

The  compliance  initiatives,  which  are  discussed  beginning  on 
page  2 — and  with  your  permission,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  will  not  detail 
all  the  language  that  is  there.  But  as  you  will  see,  we  identify  $150 
million  and  2,000  positions  basically  to  fund  11  compliance  initia- 
tives. Specifically,  these  fiinds  do  two  things:  they  enable  us  to 
achieve  additional  accomplishments  in  some  traditional  enforce- 
ment programs,  including  examination  and  criminal  investigation, 
but  they  also  enable  us  to  make  special  initiatives  in  areas  like 
international,  in  the  underfunded  pension  plan  arena,  in  taxpayer 
assistance,  and  in  the  efforts  to  increase  our  effectiveness  in  collect- 
ing the  accounts  receivable  dollar. 

What  follows  then,  is  a  further  alliteration  of  the  international 
tax  compliance  initiative  value  at  $30.5  million  and  177  positions; 
and  the  underfunded  pension  plan  initiative,  a  relatively  small  dol- 
lar initiative  but  one  that  we  think  mav  have  a  significant  vield, 
both  to  the  IRS  and  its  effectiveness  ana  the  Grovemment  at  large. 
Mr.  Chairman,  I  know  of  your  ongoing  interest  in  this  whole  area 
of  underfunding.  We  think  we  can  play  a  major  part  in  shedding 
more  light  on  tnat  through  this  initiative.  The  third  initiative,  the 
nonfiler  initiative,  again,  we  have  had  extensive  dialog  with  the 
subcommittee.  And,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  know  of  your  personal  inter- 
est in  our  ability,  as  you  said  in  your  opening  statement,  to  attract 
the  $10  billion  annually  that  we  think  is  now  being  lost  as  a  result 
of  people  not  filing. 

The  fourth  initiative  on  that  page,  the  bankruptcy  initiative, 
again,  is  a  relatively  small  dollar  initiative,  but  one  that  ap- 
proaches, we  think  systematically,  a  very  crucial  area  of  compli- 
ance, one  that  spiked  radically  in  the  1991  to  1992  environment 
and  to  which  we  think  we  can  add  more  rationality. 

The  accounts  receivable  initiative  does  a  variety  of  things  that  I 
am  sure  you  will  want  to  go  into  more  particularly  in  the  question 
area.  It  is  an  attempt  on  our  part  to  act  responsibly  both  on  our 
internal  learning  as  well  as  the  advice  and  assistance  we  have  got- 
ten from  folks  such  as  GAO  on  fundamentally  reinventing  our  col- 
lection processes. 

Lastly,  there  is  a  compliance  initiative  in  the  document  matching 
arena  which,  again,  allows  us  to  take  resources  and  apply  them  to 
an  area  that  has  been  very  cost-beneficial  to  the  Grovemment  £ind 
to  IRS. 

The  second  area  of  the  budget  I  would  like  to  talk  about  begins 
at  the  bottom  of  page  2,  and  that  is  the  area  of  maintaining  current 
business  operations.  The  only  observation  I  would  leave  with  you 
on  that  point  is  that  our  budget,  like  any  budget,  private  or  public, 
contains  some  certain  element  of  cost  over  which  management  has 
relatively  little  control.  The  1994  budget  attempts  to  cover  a  few 
of  these  key  areas,  particularly  in  the  area  of  increased  costs  in 


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health  insurance,  retirement  funding,  and  then  some  within-grade 
increases  and  career  ladder  promotions  that  do  not  get  covered  as 
a  result  of  the  normal  budgeting  process  that  takes  place  in  0MB. 

I  would  then  move,  Mr.  Chairman,  to  the  middle  of  the  following 
page,  where  we  identify  also  a  series  of  workload  increase  ele- 
ments, much  like  the  elements  we  routinely  discuss  with  this  sub- 
committee. As  a  result  of  the  growth  in  filings  and  a  series  of  other 
issues,  I  would  say,  Mr.  Houghton,  that  we  probably  have  not  de- 
tailed in  this  list  nearly  the  sort  of  comprehensive  set  of  reactions 
that  will  be  required  from  any  new  tax  legislation,  but  with  some 
insight  towards  new  tax  legislation  and  with  the  knowledge  that 
our  customer  base  will  increase.  You  see  described  there  on  page 
6  a  variety  of  elements  that  will  combine  to  create  in  our  budget 
request  the  need  for  300  new  positions  to  match  pure  growth  in 
workload  in  the  1994  environment. 

The  third  area  I  would  focus  on  is  an  area  that  we  had  the  abil- 
ity, I  guess  less  than  a  month  ago,  to  talk  about  it  at  some  length 
in  an  opening  discussion.  I  think  we  all  conceded  that  is  a  discus- 
sion that  needs  to  be  built  upon  in  order  to  earn  the  subcommit- 
tee's support  and  understanding  in  the  tax  systems  modernization 
area.  But  that  is  our  third  key  area  of  this  1994  budget. 

In  our  1994  budget,  as  I  mentioned  earlier,  there  is  the  informa- 
tion systems  budget  itself  that  reflects  a  total  increase  of  $188  mil- 
lion, $186  million  of  which  is  to  support  tax  systems  modernization. 
However,  I  would  hasten  to  point  out  that  the  entire  information 
systems  budget  reflects  a  net  increase  of  only  $7.4  million  from 
1993  to  1994,  the  difference  of  that  being  the  result  of  the  reinvest- 
ment that  we  were  able  to  make  of  nonreccurring  costs  and  in- 
creased productivity  that  has  already  been  achieved  as  a  result  of 
the  early  stages  of  tax  systems  modernization. 

What  I  do  then  in  the  following  pages,  Mr.  Chairman,  is  identify 
a  series  of  key  components  in  the  1994  tax  systems  modernization 
increase  category.  And  rather  than  take  the  subcommittee  through 
each  and  every  one  of  those,  I  would  like  to  invite  your  attention 
to  a  few  that  I  think  are  particularly  key. 

In  packaging  these  for  the  subcommittee  this  morning,  we  have 
thought  of  the  tax  systems  modernization  investments  for  1994  in 
terms  of  end  user  systems,  infrastructure  investments,  and  then, 
lastly,  something  we  call  our  integrated  input  processing  strategy. 

There  on  page  4  are  a  couple  of  initiatives  that  are  particularly 
key  in  the  1994  package.  The  first  of  them  in  something  that  is 
called  integrated  case  processing.  This,  Mr.  Chairman,  started  out 
as  a  series  of  isolated,  independent  business  initiatives  fostered  by 
exam,  collection,  criminal  investigation,  and  our  service  centers,  all 
designed  to  do  key  things  within  their  discrete  businesses.  But  over 
the  last  couple  of  years,  consummating  in  the  1994  budget  request, 
we  have  brought  those  heretofore  stand-alone  departmental  sys- 
tems together  in  something  called  integrated  case  processing. 

Our  1994  funding  initiative  for  this  integrated  case  processing 
will  allow  us  to  purchase  universal  work  stations  and  begin  instal- 
lation in  service  centers  and  field  offices.  This  is  a  first  step  in 
moving  toward  an  integrated  system  supporting  both  taxpayer 
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Importantly,  the  universal  work  stations  are  able  to  be  procured 
today  through  TMAC,  the  Treasury  Multiuser  Acquisitions  Con- 
tract, and  will  themselves  not  only  support  this  first  wave  of  case 
processing  applications,  but  will  support  all  the  TSM  applications 
through  their  useful  life. 

The  second  area  is  one  that  I  know  this  subcommittee  is  inter- 
ested in,  and  that  is  the  compliance  research  and  analysis  system. 
This  is  something  that  builds,  Mr.  Chairman,  on  an  earlier  con- 
versation we  had  about  finding  ways  to  improve  on  our  compliance 
research.  Under  the  concept  of  Compliance  2000,  which  is  a  core 
strategy  for  the  IRS,  our  objective  is  to  identify  and  reduce 
noncompliant  taxpayer  behavior. 

The  compliance  research  and  analysis  system,  which  we  describe 
on  page  4,  will  support  this  effort  by  providing  a  capability  to  strat- 
ify data  on  the  population  to  identify  many  of  the  underlying 
causes  of  noncompliance,  which  today  we  know  far  too  little  about. 
The  requested  funds  for  1994  will  allow  us  to  begin  the  develop- 
ment of  this  system,  which  is  critical  to  improving  voluntary  com- 
pliance and  building  on  the  compliance  measuring  system  that  is 
today  based  principally  on  the  TCMP  audit. 

Another  important  area,  Mr.  Chairman  and  subcommittee  mem- 
bers, based  on  the  interest  of  this  subcommittee  in  the  past,  is 
called  the  telephone  routing  interactive  system.  This  is  something 
we  were  hopeful  that  we  would  get  in  the  original  supplemental  re- 
quest, which  I  know  this  subcommittee  supported,  where  we  would 
have  been  able  to  buy  some  additional  automated  call  distributors. 
But  this  initiative  is  a  way  of  eliminating  the  access  problem — the 
problem  people  have  of  reaching  us  during  the  filing  season  for  re- 
quests of  either  technical  tax  information  or  help  on  account 
work — and  substantially  exploiting  the  technology  of  both  auto- 
mated call  distributors  and  something  called  automated  routing  ca- 
pacity to  be  able  to,  in  fact,  handle  much  more  telephone  traffic 
than  we  can  today. 

The  second  subelement  of  tax  systems  modernization  in  this 
budget  is  in  the  infrastructure  investment  area  at  the  bottom  of 
page  4.  I  will  only  say  in  passing  reference  that  both  the  corporate 
svstems  modernization/mirror  image  acquisition  initiative  and  then 
tne  service  center  support  system  on  the  bottom  of  page  4  rep- 
resent major,  major  components  of  the  long-term  tax  systems  mod- 
ernization. Both  of  them  are  poised  to  allow  contract  award  during 
fiscal  year  1994.  Both  of  them  are  absolutely  essential  with  respect 
to  straddling  the  workload  that  is  today's  business  and  laying  the 
groundwork  for  tomorrow's  set  of  applications  that  will  be  part  of 
tax  systems  modernization. 

The  third  leg  of  the  1994  request  for  modernization  is  under  inte- 
grated input  processing.  You  will  find  that  on  the  top  of  page  5. 
There  are  a  variety  of  initiatives  there  that  are  identified.  Again, 
I  won't  take  you  through  each  of  them,  but  I  would  invite  your  par- 
ticular attention  to  the  first  two:  The  funding  for  something  called 
service  center  recognition/image  processing  system.  This  is  basi- 
cally an  imaging  capability  for  which  a  contract  was  awarded  with- 
in the  last  6  weeks  to  Grumman  Corp.  It  allows  us  to  take  what 
are  very  antiquated  scanning  devices  in  our  service  centers  todav 
through  which  we  put  about  156  million  documents  with  the  instal- 


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lation  of  this  in  three  sites  in  1994,  to  be  able  by  1995  to  be  putting 
175  million  documents  through  this  scanning  capacity. 

The  second  item  that  is  worth  noting  is  what  we  call  our  cash 
management  system.  We  testified  about  this  briefly  in  our  earlier 
tax  systems  modernization  hearing.  This  is  the  front  door  to  a  day 
when  we  will  not  have  to  handle  by  check  and  by  cash  the  $1.2  to 
$1.3  trillion  worth  of  cash  that  flows  through  our  system  today. 
This  is  the  electronic  doorway  through  which  we  will  build  on  our 
experimentation  today  in  Atlanta  for  lousinesses  that  are  beginning 
to  pay  their  Federal  tax  deposits  this  way.  This  money  in  the  1994 
budget  allows  us  to  take  this  concept  to  a  district  office  and  allows 
us  to  take  the  cash  receipts  in  the  district  office  and  move  the  elec- 
tronically into  the  Federal  depository  system  as  well. 

What  I  would  do  in  recapping,  Mr.  Chairman  and  subcommittee 
members,  is  to  suggest  that  1994  is  a  very  vital  year  in  tax  systems 
modernization.  I  am  now  over  on  the  bottom  of  page  5.  With  the 
benefits  of  the  modernization  initiative  also  come  costs.  We  have 
talked  about  those  costs,  in  at  least  preliminary  detail  with  this 
subcommittee.  We  recognize  that  a  $7.8  billion  additional  invest- 
ment, along  with  the  $15  billion  plus  that  would  have  been  the  cost 
of  continuing  today's  business  represents  a  substantial  investment 
in  the  IRS,  one  to  which  we  would  like  to  rise  quickly  to  your  invi- 
tation to  be  accountable  before  this  subcommittee,  one  which  we 
know  we've  got  to  manage  effectively. 

A  couple  of  areas  have  been  identified  as  people  have  looked  at 
our  accountability  and  looked  at  our  ability  to  manage.  One  is 
there  on  the  top  of  page  6,  and  I  know  that  this  subcommittee  has 
had  an  interest  in  the  funds  classified  as  "no-year"  funds.  At  the 
point  that  we  prepared  this  statement  for  the  subcommittee,  I  am 
not  sure  whether  you  have  the  $154  million  total  in  the  version  you 
are  looking  at  there  on  the  top  of  page  6.  But  as  of  February,  there 
was  a  total  in  that  no-year  funds  accoimt  of  $154  million,  essen- 
tially made  up  of  increments  from  1990,  1991,  and  1992.  Today 
that  amount  is  $90  million. 

Two  significant  contributors  accounted  for  that  money  being  in 
no-year.  As  we  indicate  there,  these  funds  were  not  expended  in 
the  year  they  were  appropriated,  mostly  due  to  contract  slippage 
and  delay  of  site  preparation  while  we  reexamined  our  organiza- 
tional structure.  There  was  a  third  very  important  issue,  and  that 
was  that  in  1992  Congress  asked  us  specifically  to  not  spend  until 
the  last  day  of  the  fiscal  year  $97  million  of  our  fiscal  year  1992 
appropriation.  That,  by  definition,  put  us  in  a  position  where  we 
could  not  intelligently  obligate  that  entire  balance  of  1992  funds. 

Combined  with  that  have  been  conscious  decisions  made  to  not 
spend,  particularly  in  the  area  of  site  preparation,  the  money  that 
would  be  required  to  prepare  all  10  service  centers  for  something 
like  the  service  center  support  system  when  today  we  know  as  a 
result  of  additional  business  vision  studies  that  we  will  not  be  re- 
quired to  build  onto  10  service  centers  to  be  able  to  deliver  tax  sys- 
tems modernization. 

We  are  now  today  sure  that  we  will  be  able  to  do  in  four  centers 
or  five  centers  something  that  we  thought  in  the  past  would  have 
taken  10  centers.  We  are  now  today  sure  that  we  will  not  have  to 
put  the  major  computer  power  that  today  exists  across  10  centers 


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and  2  computing  centers  in  all  12  sites.  And  so  that  money  has 
been  consciously  identified  as  money  to  be  kept  available  to  do  site 
preparation  in  the  right  places. 

What  I  will  do,  Mr.  Chairman,  mindful  of  your  encouragement  to 
be  brief  in  the  opening,  is  finish  on  tax  systems  modernization  by 
saying  this:  Three  areas  of  critique  have  come  to  us  relatively  rou- 
tinely from  folks  who  we  have  invited  to  evaluate  us,  and  they  are 
identified  on  pages  6  through  7.  They  are  identified  as  reinventing 
IRS,  as  technical  expertise,  and  as  human  resources.  While  my 
statement  is  more  complete,  I  will  leave  these  sorts  of  thoughts 
with  you. 

In  each  of  these  three  areas,  we  have  asked  for  and  received  le- 
gitimate critique  on  how  to  do  those  three  areas  better. 

In  the  reinventing  area,  we  have  talked  with  you  earlier  about 
the  year-long  effort  that  has  been  under  way  to  take  the  injunction 
of  this  subcommittee  and  others  seriously,  to  use  the  tax  systems 
modernization  investment  as  a  way  to  fundamentally  reexamine 
our  business,  to  fundamentally  reexamine  how  to  impact  on  compli- 
ance and  service  to  the  customers.  We  think  in  the  next  few 
months,  as  Commissioner  Richardson  comes  on  board  and  as  the 
policy  people  at  Treasuiy  are  in  place  and  at  0MB,  that  we  will 
be  able  to  describe  that  vision  with  much  more  clarity  to  this  sub- 
committee. We  think  we  will,  in  fact,  step  up  to  every  challenge  we 
have  ever  been  g^ven  with  respect  to  usine  tnis  technology  to  lever- 
age our  business  opportunities  more  fully  than  we  might  have 
planned  in  the  first. 

The  second  category  of  technical  expertise,  you  on  this  sub- 
committee, as  well  as  others,  have  questioned  is  our  capacity  inter- 
nally to  manage  our  technical  future  in  tax  systems  modernization. 
Two  recent  thmgs  have  occurred:  one  we  described  when  we  were 
before  you  last.  That  is  the  creation  of  the  office  of  a  chief  architect. 
Within  that  office  we  have,  as  we  mentioned  to  you  last  time,  ac- 
quired two  very  seasoned  systems  architects  that  will  begin  as  soon 
as  their  background  investigations  are  complete,  providing  us  a 
level  of  expert  help  that  we  have  not  heretofore  had. 

A  second  achievement,  which  is  more  recent  and  which  I  don't 
think  we  discussed  last  time  we  were  together,  is  we  have  recently 
awarded  a  contract  to  a  federally  funded  research  and  development 
center  that  is  being  headed  by  the  Illinois  Institute  of  Technology 
and  a  consortium  developed  here  locally  with  both  the  University 
of  Maryland  and  George  Mason.  The  sole  purpose  of  this  consor- 
tium— a  not-for-profit  entity — is  designed  exclusively  to  give  us 
independent  technical  expertise  as  we  try  to  master  the  consider- 
able technical  challenges  of  tax  systems  modernization. 

The  last  area  is  the  area  of  human  resources.  We  have  conceded 
that  our  focus  earlier  was  on  the  business  and  technology  issues. 
We  think  we  are  fast  closing  the  gap  in  the  human  resources  area 
by  developing  a  human  resource  plan  which  will  complement  our 
design  master  plan  and  be  every  bit  the  road  map  on  the  people 
and  human  side  that  we  hope  the  design  master  plan  is  for  the 
technical  side. 

Which  brings  me,  maybe  a  little  later  than  you  had  hoped,  to  a 
summary  on  pa^e  8.  In  summarizing,  Mr.  Chairman  and  members 
of  the  subcommittee,  we  have  very  much  appreciated  the  support, 


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not  only  in  budget  areas  but  in  the  broad  range  of  tax  administra- 
tion areas,  that  we  have  received  from  this  subcommittee  in  the 
past.  We  look  forward  to  earning  your  continued  support.  We  think 
our  1994  budget  reflects  a  very  deliberate  melding  of  our  commit- 
ment to  achieve  the  efficiency  and  economy  goals  embodied  in 
President  Clinton's  program,  as  well  as  our  urgent  need  to  continue 
to  implement  tax  systems  modernization. 

We  believe,  and  we  think  you  share  our  belief,  that  we  must  keep 
our  tax  system  running,  and  running  continuously  better  as  we  in- 
vest in  tax  systems  modernization.  We  must  also  provide  adequate 
support  for  our  work  force,  and  we  must  invest  in  the  modest  but 
much  needed  increases  in  enforcement  functions  to  address  the 
critical  problems  identified  in  our  11  initiatives  as  well  as  many  of 
the  ones  that  I  know  this  committee  has  interest  in. 

We  seek  your  support  for  these  absolutely  critical  areas.  We  look 
forward  to  the  continuing  dialogue,  and  maybe  we  could  begin  that 
by  me  stopping  at  this  point  and  being  willing  to  take  the  questions 
or  the  observations  of  tne  subcommittee  members. 

[The  prepared  statement  and  questions  and  answers  subse- 
quently received  follow:] 


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STATEMENT  OF 

MICHAEL  P.  DOLAN 

ACTING  COMMISSIONER 

INTERNAL  REVENUE  SERVICE 

BEFORE  THE 

SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  OVERSIGHT 

HOUSE  COMMITTEE  ON  WAYS  AND  MEANS 

APRIL  28,  1993 


Mr.  Chairman  and  Members  of  the  Subcommittee: 

I  appreciate  the  opportunity  to  appear  before  the  Subcommittee  today  to 
discuss  our  FY  1994  budget  request.    Copies  of  our  "Budget  in  Brief"  have  been 
provided  to  the  staff  for  your  information  and  reference. 

With  me  are  Chief  Financial  Officer,  Phil  Brand;  Chief  Information  Officer, 
Hank  Philcox;  Chief  Operations  Officer,  Dave  Blattner;  and  Lee  Monks,  our  acting 
Taxpayer  Ombudsman.    The  support  of  this  Subcommittee  for  our  budget  over  the 
last  several  years  has  been  essential  to  the  progress  we  have  made,  and  we 
appreciate  your  continued  support. 

IRS  ACTIONS  AND  THE  PRESIDENT'S  AGENDA 

For  FY  1994,  the  proposed  budget  of  almost  $7.4  billion  represents  a  net 
increase  of  $284  million  and  792  positions  over  FY  1993.    While  the  net  increases 
are  the  smallest  requested  in  four  years,  there  are  significant  reallocations  of  funds 
among  programs. 

Our  budget  balances  four  requirements: 

•  achieving  the  President's  objective  to  cut  overhead  and  staffing; 

•  continuing  the  modernization  of  our  tax  system; 

•  shoring  up  programs  to  improve  compliance  with  the  tax  laws;  and 

•  adjusting  Internal  budgets  to  reflect  the  changing  mix  of  work. 

The  only  major  requests  for  increases  include  the  $186  million  to  continue 
Tax  Systems  Modernization,  another  $207  million  for  mandatory  cost  increases 
to  maintain  current  programs,  and  $150  million  for  compliance  initiatives.    These 
costs  are  partially  offset  by  nearly  $300  million  In  reductions  as  a  result  of 
productivity  savings,  cuts  in  administrative  costs  and  savings  from  information 
systems  changes.    Taking  into  account  these  changes,  we  are  requesting  a  net 
increase  of  792  positions  and  $284  million. 


REDUCING  OVERHEAD 

The  Internal  Revenue  Service's  proposed  FY  1994  budget  implements  one  of 
President  Clinton's  key  goals    -  managing  our  operations  at  a  lower  cost.    As  we 
continue  to  improve  our  technology  and  our  systems,  we  will  achieve  greater 
productivity  and  will  spend  less  to  accomplish  a  growing  workload. 

For  IRS,  the  President's  goal  for  reducing  federal  employment  translates  to  a 
three-year  reduction  in  staff  of  some  4,700  positions.    As  a  result  of  Tax  Systems 
Modernization  efforts  to  date,  we  expect  to  achieve  a  large  part  of  the  FY  1994 
goal  by  reducing  1,200  positions  through  increases  in  productivity.   We  plan  to 
achieve  the  balance  by  streamlining  our  headquarters  and  field  management  staffs. 

Maintaining  front  line  compliance  activities  is  a  priority.   Consequently,  while 
staffing  for  these  programs  properly  reflects  adjustments  from  systems-related 


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productivity  savings,  none  of  the  additional  reductions  required  to  meet  the 
President's  goal  have  been  applied  against  compliance  programs. 

COMPLIANCE  INITIATIVES 

Our  FY  1994  request  includes  $150  million  and  2,000  positions  to  fund  11 
compliance  initiatives.    Specifically,  these  funds  will  provide  2,000  additional  staff 
for  traditional  enforcement  programs,  including  examinations  and  criminal 
investigations,  and  for  special  initiatives  in  international,  underfunded  pension 
plans,  taxpayer  assistance,  and  collection.    Each  initiative  is  designed  to  address 
areas  of  non-compliance  most  in  need  of  attention  or  to  focus  on  operations  that 
require  additional  staffing.    Examples  include: 

•  International  Tax  Compliance  ($30.5  million  and  177  positions). 
Although  reasonable  people  differ  about  the  size  of  the  tax  gap  that 
we  can  assign  to  international  taxpayers,  there  is  no  disagreement 
about  the  need  to  be  aggressive  in  efforts  to  close  that  gap.    FY  1994 
dollars  are  targeted  to  boost  the  investments  in  staff  and  thus  boost 
the  number  of  international  returns  examined,  expand  the  use  of 
outside  experts  and  consultants,  and  heavily  promote  the  use  of 
advance  pricing  agreements. 

•  Underfunded  Pension  Plans  ($2.9  million  and  43  positions).   This  is  an 
area  of  potential  vulnerability  for  the  United  States  government  and  its 
citizens.    Charged  by  the  Congress  to  ensure  compliance  with 
minimum  funding  requirements,  the  IRS  would  make  inroads  in 
defining  the  extent  and  causes  of  underfunding  and  improving 
examiner  skills  and  the  selection  of  returns  for  examination. 

•  Non-filer  ($20.3  Million  and  358  positions).   This  initiative  further 
supports  our  ongoing  program  to  bring  non-filers  back  into  the  tax 
system.    This  initiative  builds  upon  earlier  decisions  to  redirect  more 
than  2,200  examination  and  information  reporting  positions  toward 
identifying  and  bringing  into  compliance  the  more  than  10  million  non- 
filers.    We  estimate  annual  revenue  loss  at  $10  billion  from  non-filing 
of  individual  income  tax  for  FY  1993  alone.   The  new  focus  would 
place  special  emphasis  on  non-filers  of  trust  fund  taxes  and  would 
provide  assistance  to  taxpayers  who  voluntarily  come  forward  and  file 
delinquent  returns. 

•  Bankruptcy  ($3.4  million  and  60  positions).    To  address  the  growth  of 
bankruptcy  workload  and  protect  the  government's  interest. 
Collection  will  increase  special  procedures  staffing  to  address 
increasing  workload;  Chief  Counsel  will  protect  the  Service's  priority 
in  bankruptcy  and  secure  standing  orders  to  compel  filing  of  returns 
prior  to  bankruptcy  bar  dates.    Also  Criminal  Investigation  will 
prosecute  cases  of  fraudulent  bankruptcy  filing. 

•  Accounts  Receivable  ($24.8  million  and  529  positions).   To  reduce 
the  level  of  accounts  receivable.  Collection  will  extend  hours  of  key 
Automated  Call  Sites,  expand  the  staffing  for  Service  Center 
Collection,  and  establish  service  center  call  sites  for  pre-notice  contact 
on  large  dollar  cases.   Taxpayer  Services  will  extend  the  hours 
devoted  to  working  installment  agreements  and  other  account  work. 

•  Document  Matching  ($4.3  million  and  109  positions).    We  will  identify 
and  contact  additional  underreporters  through  document  matching. 

MAINTAINING  CURRENT  BUSINESS  OPERATIONS 

In  any  budget,  there  are  certain  costs  over  which  management  has  little 
control.   This  budget  covers  the  higher  costs  needed  to  pay  for  health  insurance, 
retirement  funding,  within  grade  increases  and  career  ladder  promotions.    Overall, 
mandatory  increases  in  costs  necessitate  an  additional  $207  million  in  FY  1994. 


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Other  significant  factors  are  also  affecting  costs:  increased  seniority,  declining 
attrition,  and  the  changing  nature  of  our  work. 

•  First,  the  decline  in  attrition  results  in  a  nnore  experiences  workforce, 
but  it  also  results  in  higher  costs  as  employees  receive  within  grades 
or  are  promoted.    There  has  been  a  marked  decline  in  attrition  over 
the  past  three  years  --  from  nearly  9  percent  in  FY  1990  to  only  3.5 
percent  so  far  in  FY  1993. 

•  Second,  the  nature  of  our  work  is  changing.    We  have  made  a 
conscious  decision  to  concentrate  on  more  complex  work  involving 
higher  income  individual  and  corporate  taxpayers.    Again,  this  requires 
better  trained,  more  experienced  employees  to  do  the  work. 

In  addition,  as  the  tax  filing  population  increases,  staff  must  increase  to 
meet  this  growth  in  workload.    Examples  of  FY  1993  workload  expected  to  grow 
in  FY  1994  requires  staff  to: 

revise  and  test  more  than  6,100  computer  software  program; 

revise  automated  tax  information  scripts  for  telephone  inquiries  (over 

32  million  calls  annually); 

train  29,000  service  center  employees  to  process  returns  and 

compute  bills  and  refunds,  and  make  adjustments; 

train  8,000  taxpayers  service  employees  who  answer  40  million 

taxpayer  inquiries; 

design  or  revise  250  forms  and  110  publications; 

print  and  distribute  over  1.3  billion  copies  of  forms  and  instructions  at 

a  cost  of  $75  million.    The  competitive  bidding  process  begins  in  early 

spring  in  order  to  reserve  three  months  of  printing  time  in  late  fall  by 

the  nation's  largest  commercial  printing  firms;  and 

•  update  taxpayer  information  and  education  materials. 

We  are  requesting  almost  300  new  positions  to  meet  the  growth  in  FY  1994 
workload. 

INFORMATION  SYSTEMS:    TAX  SYSTEMS  MODERNIZATION 

The  FY  1994  Information  Systems  budget  request  reflects  a  total  increase  of 
$188  million,  which  includes  an  $186  million  increase  for  Tax  Systems 
Modernization  (TSM).    However,  the  entire  Information  Systems  budget  reflects  a 
net  increase  of  only  $7.4  million  due  to  reinvestment  of  non-recurring  investments 
and  increased  productivity  in  our  current  information  systems  operations. 

As  we  have  previously  testified,  our  plans  for  TSM  involve  incremental  multi- 
year  investments  that  will  enable  IRS  to  fully  implement  a  modernized  tax 
administration  system  by  the  year  2001.    What  we  plan  to  achieve  in  IRS  is 
characterized  by  modernized  systems  that  facilitate: 

•  electronic  vs.  paper  receipt  and  storage  of  taxpayer  data; 

•  one-stop  customer  service  by  telephone,  rather  than  multiple  contacts 
through  correspondence; 

•  on-line  access  to  automated  information  by  all  IRS  employees  who 
need  the  information  to  do  their  jobs,  as  opposed  to  one  that  takes 
days  or  weeks  to  secure  copies  of  returns  and  other  necessary  tax 
information;  and 

•  early  information  and  resolution  of  compliance  issues,  as  opposed  to 
one,  two  or  three  years  after  the  fact. 


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We  can  achieve  our  goals  of  reducing  taxpayer  burden;  Increasing  revenue 
thereby  reducing  the  tax  gap;  and  accomplishing  more  efficient  and  accurate  case 
work  only  through  the  technological  components  of  TSM. 

Major  TSM  increases  for  FY  1994  will  fund  end  user  systems;  infrastructure 
investments;  and  our  integrated  input  processing  strategy. 

End  User  Systems 

•  Integrated  Case  Processing  -  This  project  will  provide  us  the  capability  of 
assembling  all  current  taxpayer  information  in  one  electronic  case  folder  accessible 
by  authorized  users  through  a  universal  workstation.    In  other  words,  through  one 
workstation  employees  from  all  functions  will  have  access  to  examination, 
collection,  or  other  compliance  data,  as  well  as  current  information  on  taxpayers' 
accounts.   This  system  will  enable  employees  to  increase  their  productivity,  will 
reduce  errors,  and  decrease  the  time  needed  to  complete  cases  or  respond  to 
inquiries. 

In  FY  1994  funding  for  this  initiative  will  allow  us  to  purchase  universal 
workstations  and  begin  installation  in  the  service  centers  and  field  offices.    This  is 
the  first  step  in  moving  toward  an  integrated  system  supporting  both  taxpayer 
service  and  compliance  functions.   The  universal  workstations  will  be  procured 
through  the  existing  Treasury  Multi-User  Acquisition  Contract  (TMAC)  contract  and 
will  support  TSM  applications  throughout  their  useful  life. 

•  Compliance  Research  and  Analysis  System  -  Compliance  2000  is  the  core 
strategy  of  IRS  to  identify  and  reduce  noncompliant  taxpayer  behavior.   The 
Compliance  Research  and  Analysis  System  will  support  this  effort  by  providing  the 
capability  to  stratify  data  and  to  provide  analyses  that  will  allow  us  to  identify 
causes  of  noncompliance.   Requested  funds  for  FY  1994  will  allow  us  to  begin 
development  of  this  system  which  is  critical  to  improving  voluntary  compliance  and 
reducing  the  tax  gap. 

•  Telephone  Routing  Interactive  System  (TRIS)  -  This  project  supports  one- 
stop  telephone  service  and  will  provide  an  automated  routing  system  that  permits 
callers  to  direct  their  calls  to  the  appropriate  type  of  assistance.  Also,  TRIS  will 
enable  some  taxpayer  inquiries  to  be  resolved  by  an  automated  system  without 
assistance  by  an  IRS  employee.  With  the  introduction  of  an  automated  routing 
system,  there  will  be  less  need  to  manually  route  incoming  calls  and  employees 
can  spend  more  time  providing  substantive  assistance. 

FY  1994  funds  will  allow  us  to  further  develop  and  expand  testing  of  this 
sophisticated  telephone  management  system.  Our  long-term  vision  is  to  provide 
one-stop  taxpayer  assistance  through  the  telephone. 

Infrastructure  Investments 

Our  request  for  infrastructure  investments  includes  an  increase  for  two  major 
acquisitions: 

•  Funding  for  the  Corporate  Systems  Modernization/Mirror  Image 
Acquisition  initiative  will  allow  us  to  award  a  contract  in  FY  1994  that  will  both 
sustain  IRS'  current  tax  administration  systems  and  support  redesigned  tax 
processing  systems  when  implemented.    Proposals  for  this  effort  are  currently 
being  evaluated  and  the  award  will  be  made  in  early  FY  1994. 

•  The  Service  Center  Support  System  is  the  largest  single  procurement 
initiative  planned  for  TSM.    Hardware  and  software  procured  under  this  contract 
will  replace  existing  mainframe  computing  capabilities  at  IRS  computing  centers 
and  will  provide  the  platform  for  TSM  applications.   It  will  provide  capacity  relief 


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for  the  current  system  and  support  the  implementation  of  new  and  redesigned 
applications  as  TSM  progresses  toward  full  implementation.    Hardware,  software, 
maintenance,  and  training  services  will  be  acquired  through  this  procurement  over 
a  twelve-year  system  life.    Funding  for  this  project  will  allow  us  to  award  this 
contract  in  late  Fiscal  Year  1994. 

Integrated  Input  Processing 

Our  request  in  support  of  the  overall  integrated  input  processing  strategy  for 
TSM  include  funding  for  three  projects: 

•  Funding  for  Service  Center  Recognition/Image  Processing  System  will 
allow  us  to  replace  obsolete  imaging  and  character  recognition  equipment  with 
state-of-the-art  systems  at  an  additional  three  sites  In  FY  1994.    We  currently 
process  156  million  documents  using  optical  character  recognition  equipment.    In 
FY  1995,  with  this  new  equipment  we  will  process  more  than  175  million 
documents. 

•  The  requested  increase  for  the  Cash  Management  System  will  be  utilized 
to  acquire  support  services  to  expand  the  TAXLINK  prototype  to  include  one 
additional  district  office.    Through  this  project,  IRS  is  Increasing  Its  ability  to 
process  and  transfer  funds  electronically.   The  Electronic  Management  System  will 
serve  as  the  point  of  electronic  communications  with  the  external  business 
community  and,  ultimately,  the  general  public.    This  system  will  send,  receive, 
control  and  secure  electronic  data  that  Is  transmitted  to  and  from  the  IRS,  such  as 
tax  return,  currency  transaction,  payer  and  employer  information.    In  addition,  IRS 
employees  will  have  information  they  need  on-line  and  accessible  through  their 
computer  system  instead  of  having  to  wait  for  tape  delivery,  data  input  or  the 
delivery  of  Information  on  paper.   The  increase  for  this  project  will  be  used  to 
purchase  hardware,  software  and  supplies  necessary  expand  testing  of  the  TeleFile 
project,  one  step  in  moving  toward  increased  electronic  communications  with  our 
customers. 

•  Additional  resources  for  the  Electronic  Filing  System  will  be  used  to 
purchase  equipment,  maintenance,  services  and  storage  devices  to  support 
increases  in  the  volume  of  electronically  filed  returns.   These  funds  will  also  allow 
for  the  expansion  of  the  Federal/State  Joint  Electronic  Filing  project. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  believe  that  information  processing  Improvements  enabled 
by  TSM,  in  conjunction  with  the  Compliance  2000  program  initiatives,  have 
enormous  potential  for  reducing  accounts  receivable  and  closing  the  tax  gap.   For 
example,  TSM  is  expected  to  be  fully  implemented  in  2001  and  by  that  time  our 
workload  will  have  increased  by  almost  20%  over  the  current  level.    However,  we 
anticipate  that  TSM  will  allow  IRS  to  conduct  business  in  the  year  2001  without 
an  increase  in  staff  and  at  the  same  time  produce  additional  revenue  through 
improved  compliance  systems,  provide  increased  customer  service,  and  realize 
savings  through  electronic  receipt  and  storage  of  taxpayer  data. 

With  the  benefits  of  the  modernization  Initiative  also  come  significant  costs. 
However,  not  pursuing  TSM  would  be  even  more  costly  in  the  long  run.    We 
estimate  that  Implementing,  operating  and  maintaining  TSM  through  the  year  2008 
will  require  a  capital  investment  of  $7.8  billion  above  the  projected  $15.5  billion 
cost  to  operate  and  maintain  our  current  antiquated  systems  for  the  same  period. 
Through  the  end  of  Fiscal  Year  1992,  IRS  has  already  spent  approximately  $800 
million  of  this  capital  investment. 

This  overall  investment  will  generate  substantial  taxpayer  and  IRS  benefits. 
Including  reduced/avoided  costs,  interest  savings  and  increased  revenue  estimated 
at  $12.6  billion.    Consequently,  we  estimate  that  the  total  benefits,  less  the  net 


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cost  of  $7.8  billion,  results  in  a  $4.8  billion  net  benefit  to  the  governnnent.     In 
addition,  we  estimate  taxpayer  benefits  over  the  life  of  TSM  will  include  a  billion 
fewer  hours  dealing  with  the  IRS  and  a  $5.4  billion  reduction  in  out-of-pocket 
expenses  paid  in  interest  and  tax  preparer  assistance  fees. 

NO-YEAR  FUNDS 

As  of  the  end  of  February,  we  have  approximately  $154  million  in  no-year 
funds  remaining  from  FY  1991  and  FY  1992.    These  funds  were  not  expended  in 
the  year  they  were  appropriated  primarily  due  to  intentional  decisions  not  to 
prematurely  obligate  our  resources  as  we  assessed  changes  in  our  requirements, 
the  capabilities  of  new  technology,  and  while  we  reexamined  our  organization 
structure.   We  appreciate  the  flexibility  the  Congress  provides  us  through  no-year 
authorization  to  meet  these  contingencies.   Mr.  Chairman,  I  assure  you  that  havinc 
this  flexibility  allows  us  maximize  our  resources  while  effectively  managing  our 
procurements.   A  large  portion  of  these  funds  will  be  expended  when  the  Service 
Center  Support  System  and  Corporate  Systems  Modernization/Mirror  Image 
Acquisition  contracts  are  awarded. 


TSM  MANAGEMENT  ISSUES 

Throughout  the  life  of  TSM  we  have  invited  critiques  of  our  efforts.    GAO, 
Internal  Audit,  National  Research  Council,  and  the  Congress  have  made 
recommendations  regarding  our  Modernization  program.   Consistently  these 
reviews  have  focused  on  three  areas:  business  change  opportunities,  technical 
expertise,  and  human  resources.   We  have  taken  their  advice  seriously  and  acted 
on  the  recommendations.   I  would  like  to  briefly  discuss  these  three  areas. 

Reinventing  IRS 

Mr.  Chairman,  as  we  have  previously  testified,  we  have  begun  a  review  of 
our  current  organizational  structures  in  order  to  identify  opportunities  which  fully 
leverage  the  information  technology  TSM  provides.   In  conducting  the  business 
reviews  we  are  pushing  past  our  current  organizational  paradigm  in  defining  a 
better  way  to  deliver  service,  influence  compliance,  and  administer  the  tax  system. 
In  short,  we  are  moving  beyond  the  incremental  improvement  horizon  in 
reinventing  how  we  do  business  -  to  provide  major  breakthroughs  in  the  ways  IRS 
encourages  and  enforces  compliance  with  the  revenue  laws  and  improves  service 
to  our  customers.    Many  new  concepts  have  emerged  from  the  effort  and  provide 
us  an  incredibly  rich  set  of  improvement  opportunities. 

We  are  engaged  in  discussions  with  the  new  Administration  to  secure  their 
views.   We  should  be  in  a  position  to  share  our  ideas  and  to  obtain  the  help  of  your 
Subcommittee  in  the  near  future.    In  general  terms  what  we  will  describe  to  you  is 
a  direction  characterized  by: 

•  A  cross-functional  organizational  structure  built  around  one-stop 
taxpayer  access  by  telephone,  rather  than  a  multi-stop, 
correspondence-driven  functional  organization; 

•  A  system  that  provides  instant  access  to  all  relevant  information, 
allowing  us  to  significantly  reduce  the  time  it  takes  to  close  routine 
issues  and  errors  on  returns; 

•  A  tax  information  and  processing  system  that  supports  complete, 
integrated  and  multi-year  taxpayer  files  rather  than  the  piecemeal, 
free-standing  systems  now  in  place; 

•  Compliance  programs  designed  to  provide  a  comprehensive  approach 
to  the  needs  of  taxpayer  market  segments  leading  to  a  voluntary 
compliance  rate  well  in  excess  of  90  percent; 


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•  A  dramatic  reduction  in  paper  submissions  of  any  kind  through  both 
receipt  of  more  than  80  million  electronically  filed  returns  and 
electronic  payments; 

•  Geographic  flexibility  in  location  of  employees  and  operations  through 
electronic  linkages; 

•  An  interdisciplinary  workforce  ready  to  address  a  range  of  taxpayer 
issues;  and 

•  A  highly  skilled  and  empowered  workforce  with  superior  computer 
skills,  detailed  knowledge  of  tax  law,  and  outstanding  interpersonal 
skills. 

To  manage  the  difficult  problems  involved  in  making  the  transition  from  the 
old  way  of  doing  business,  we  have  appointed  an  executive  level  "transition 
manager".    The  TSM  Transition  Manager  reports  directly  to  the  Deputy 
Commissioner  and  oversees  the  coordination  of  all  TSM  related  technical, 
operational,  and  human  resources  issues. 

Technical  Expertise 

One  of  the  recommendations  made  in  the  National  Research  Council  report 
on  TSM  was  to  establish  a  Systems  Architects'  Office  to  assist  in  managing  the 
technical  components  of  TSM.    IRS  has  established  this  office,  reporting  directly  to 
a  senior  level  Information  Systems  executive.    We  obtained  special  positions  from 
the  Office  of  Personnel  Management  to  ensure  we  could  recruit  the  best  technical 
talent.    We  have  completed  recruiting  for  the  first  of  the  computer  scientists  to  fill 
the  most  important  positions  in  this  office,  and  are  now  concluding  necessary 
paperwork  to  bring  our  selectees  on  board. 

Further,  on  March  9,  1993,  IRS  awarded  a  contract  for  the  FFRDC  to 
provide  high  level  technology  assessment  and  strategic  planning  and  acquisition 
support  for  TSM.    The  FFRDC  will  provide  technical  expertise  and  direction  needed 
for  TSM,  and  will  establish  a  TSM  Institute  devoted  exclusively  to  TSM  technical 
issues.    The  contract  awarded  to  a  not-for-profit  consortium  has  a  value  of  up  to 
$78.5  million  over  a  five-year  period. 

Human  Resources 

Recognizing  that  our  vision  of  the  future  can  never  become  a  reality  without 
the  commitment  and  support  of  our  work  force,  we  are  paying  close  attention  to 
the  people  issues  related  to  the  Modernization.    In  an  unprecedented  effort  to  bring 
our  human  resources  organization  into  position  to  deal  with  the  critical  issues  for 
the  future,  we  have  brought  some  of  our  best  talent  together  to  develop 
components  of  what  will  become  our  Human  Resources  (HR)  Master  Plan.    The 
goal  is  to  produce  a  "human  systems  architecture"  for  the  Service  that  parallels  the 
Design  Master  Plan  for  Tax  Systems  Modernization  and  supports  the  Business 
Vision.    A  number  of  components  of  this  master  plan  are  already  in  place,  while 
others  are  now  being  brought  together. 

A  first  iteration  of  the  Plan  for  Human  Resources  Issues  has  been  published. 
This  plan  offers  a  framework  for  dealing  with  issues  such  as  retraining,  recruitment 
and  job  redesign.     Actions  and  issues  flowing  from  the  review  of  our 
organizational  structure  will  provide  another  major  component  of  the  HR  Master 
Plan.    Specifics  including  year  by  year,  site  by  site  requirements  involving  major 
people  elements  such  as  the  numbers  and  kinds  of  employees  needed,  training  and 
retraining  requirements,  work  flow  and  work  environment  are  being  addressed.    A 
Resource  and  Support  Study  and  a  Customer  Focus  Plan  will  produce  the  long  term 
vision  for  the  way  in  which  HR  services  will  be  provided  and  a  methodology  for 
assessing  how  well  HR  is  meeting  internal  customers'  needs. 


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SUMMARY 

In  conclusion,  Mr.  Chairman,  our  FY  1994  budget  request  reflects  a  very 
deliberate  melding  of  our  commitment  to  achieve  the  efficiency  and  economy  goals 
embodied  in  President  Clinton's  program  and  our  urgent  need  to  continue  to 
improve  tax  administration.    We  must  keep  our  tax  system  running  while  we  invest 
in  Tax  Systems  Modernization;   we  must  provide  adequate  support  for  our 
workforce;  and  we  must  invest  in  modest  but  much  needed  increases  in 
enforcement  functions  to  address  critical  problem  areas. 

Each  of  these  increases  is  absolutely  necessary  to  tax  administration.    Our 
workload  is  increasing  and  becoming  more  complex;  our  mandatory  stay-in- 
business  costs  are  increasing;  and  we  must  continue  to  forge  ahead  in  modernizing 
our  systems  and  improving  compliance.   We  seek  your  support  for  these  absolutely 
critical  investments. 

I  would  be  pleased  to  answer  any  questions  you  or  the  Members  may  have. 


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DEPARTMENT  OF  THE  TREASURY 

INTERNAL  REVENUE  SERVICE 
WASHINGTON.  DC.  20224 

September  3,  1993 


COMMISSIONER 


^^CBVED 


The  Honorable  J.  J.  Pickle 
Chairman,  Subcommittee  on  Oversight 
House  Committee  on  Ways  and  Means 
1135  Longworth  Building 
Washington,  DC   20515 


-^-^        1993 

^'ay?  and  A,iea,-c 
^ubcommittee  on  Oversight 


Dear  Mr.  Chairman: 

I  am  enclosing  responses  to  the  questions  posed  in  your 
letter  which  followed  up  on  your  Subcommittee's  hearing  on  our  FY 
1994  budget.   To  fully  answer  your  inquiry  it  was  necessary  to 
compile  extensive  information  from  numerous  IRS  functions. 

We  hope  this  information  is  helpful. 


Sincerely, 


^%J,y^u.i^'(L^-^^^^^'>^-^ 


Margarfity  Milner  Richardson 


Enclosure 


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Answers  to  Follow-up  Questions  on  April  28,  1993 
on  FY  1994  IRS  Budget 


IRS  is  reportedly  experiencing  a  $200  million  shortfall  this 
year  --  fiscal  year  1993. 

a .  Is  IRS  experiencing  a  budget  shortfall? 

b.  Are  any  layoffs  expected? 

c.  How  will  IRS  make  up  the  shortfall? 

As  happens  every  year,  adjustments  occur  in  the  process  of 
matching  the  budget  as  appropriated  with  the  actual  rollout 
of  the  programs.   The  adjustments  account  for  labor  cost 
increases  and  actual  program  shifts. 

During  the  financial  plan  development  process  for  FY  1993, 
we  determined  that  there  were  not  enough  labor  dollars 
available  to  fully  fund  all  FTEs  in  the  budget.   We  resolved 
the  issue  through  a  combination  of  reducing  FTEs  --  to  be 
accomplished  through  attrition  rather  than  layoffs  --  and 
moving  support  dollars  into  labor.   Additionally,  we  are 
confident  we  can  manage  our  way  through  the  IRS  share  of  the 
President's  FTE  reductions  with  minimal  program  impact. 

The  upward  trend  in  labor  costs  in  recent  years  is  largely 
attributable  to  the  conscious  decision  to  concentrate  on 
different  kinds  of  work  --  specifically,  more  complex  work 
involving  higher  income  individual  and  corporate  taxpayers. 
The  payback  is  obvious  but  one  conseguence  will  be  fewer  but 
more  highly-graded  staff  required  to  do  the  work. 

Another  contributing  factor  to  higher  labor  costs  is  the 
fact  that  automation  and  our  large-scale  systems 
modernization  effort  are  eliminating  low-skill/low-pay 
positions,  leaving  us  with  increasingly  more  positions  at 
the  higher  end  of  the  grade  scale. 

An  organization  the  size  of  the  Internal  Revenue  Service  -- 
with  70  percent  of  its  budget  labor-related  --  is  extremely 
sensitive  to  escalating  labor  costs.   For  a  number  of  months 
we  have  been  engaged  in  a  serious  review  of  a  number  of 
options  that  will  allow  us  to  contain  costs,  for  example, 
through  reducing  span  of  control,  redeploying  staff 
positions  to  the  frontline,  and  eliminating  marginal 
programs. 

IRS's  fiscal  year  1994  budget  request  includes  $150  million 
and  2.000  positions  to  fund  11  compliance  initiatives. 
There  is  concern  that  inadequate  funding  of  IRS's  base 
operations  could  prevent  IRS  from  delivering  on  these 
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a.  How  do  you  respond  to  these  concerns? 

There  is  a  perennial  concern  that  all  labor  costs  are 
covered  within  the  budget.   Next  year,  as  in  recent  years, 
certain  realignments  will  occur  to  ensure  that  we  can  meet 
increased  labor  costs.   The  IRS,  with  the  backing  of  the 
Department  of  Treasury  and  0MB,  is  fully  committed  to 
realizing  these  initiatives  if  funding  is  provided  in  our  FY 
94  appropriations. 

Generally  speaking,  one  outcome  of  the  serious  restructuring 
effort  now  underway  within  the  IRS  is  the  commitment  to 
achieve  a  better  ratio  between  frontline  and  staff 
positions.   We  are  beginning  the  process  of  redeploying  a 
number  of  regional  and  National  Office  staff  to  frontline 
positions  in  the  districts  and  of  improving  the  span  of 
control  by  converting  managerial  positions  into  frontline 
positions.   As  a  result  of  our  restructuring  and  systems 
modernization  efforts,  we  anticipate  that  we  can  meet 
increasing  workloads  without  increasing  FTEs.   The  emphasis 
will  continue  to  be  preserving  frontline  operations. 

b.  Does  the  1994  budget  afford  IRS  sufficient  funding  to 
completely  implement  the  11  new  initiatives? 

Yes.   We  believe  that  the  funding  is  adequate. 

Included  in  the  fiscal  year  1994  budget  proposal  is  a 
reguest  for  $25.000  for  official  receptions.   The  same 
amount  was  appropriated  for  fiscal  year  1993. 

a.  How  was,  or  will,  the  $25.000  appropriated  for  official 
receptions  be  spent  in  1993? 

The  Representation  Fund  is  used  by  IRS  to  provide  for 
representation  and  reception  expenses  incurred  in  the  course 
of  official  business  conducted  with  foreign  dignitaries. 
During  fiscal  year  1993,  this  fund  is  being  used  to  cover 
the  Service's  needs  related  to  the  following  meetings: 
executive  council  meetings  of  Inter-American  Center  for  Tax 
Administrators  (CIAT) ,  sessions  held  by  the  Pacific  Area  Tax 
Administrators  (RATA) ,  the  Group  of  Four  meetings,  and  the 
All  Islands  Tax  Administrators  Conference. 

b.  What  would  happen  if  no  such  funds  were  appropriated 
for  fiscal  year  1994? 

The  IRS  is  authorized  to  spend  $25,000  in  representation 
funds,  but  funds  are  specifically  appropriated  for  that 
purpose.   The  protocol  conventions  associated  with  IRS 
participation  in  tax  treaty  meetings  and  international 
conferences  make  it  very  important  for  us  to  reciprocate  for 


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the  courtesies  extended  by  other  nations  and  assume  certain 
costs  associated  with  work-related  social  gatherings. 
Twenty-five  thousand  dollars  is  a  small  cost  in  terms  of  the 
good  will  that  these  funds  engender  in  dealing  with  our 
treaty  partners. 

The  GAP  has  indicated  to  the  Oversight  Subcommittee  that 
IRS's  examination  plans  for  1994  do  not  include  any  of  the 
detailed  audits  done  under  the  Taxpayer  Compliance 
Measurement  Program  (TCMP) .   For  30  years.  TCMP  has  been 
IRS's  only  tool  to  objectively  measure  taxpayers'  compliance 
and  select  tax  returns  on  which  an  audit  would  be  most 
productive. 

a.  What  are  IRS's  plans  for  TCMP  audits? 

We  agreed  with  GAO  that  changes  to  Taxpayer  Compliance 
Measurement  Program  (TCMP)  must  meet  the  four  criteria 
stated  in  GAO's  report  "Tax  Administration:  IRS'  Plans  to 
Measure  Tax  Compliance  Can  Be  Improved"  (GGD-93052,  April  5, 
1993).   The  criteria  are:  "...  help  to  satisfy  the 
Compliance  2000  requirement  . . .  enable  IRS  to  precisely  and 
consistently  measure  changes  in  nationwide  compliance  levels 
. . .  continue  to  provide  objective  methods  of  selecting 
returns  to  be  audited  and  allocating  resources  . . .  continue 
to  meet  the  needs  of  the  tax  policy  community  and  the  other 
external  users."   To  carry  out  IRS'  commitment  to  Compliance 
2000,  we  are  depending  on  future  Taxpayer  Compliance 
Measurement  Program  (TCMP)  surveys  for  data  that  will  allow 
us  to  measure  and  analyze  taxpayer  compliance  on  the  basis 
of  market  segments  and  to  allocate  resources  to  address 
noncompliance. 

b.  Will  IRS  conduct  an  individual  TCMP  survey  in  calendar 
year  1993? 

No.   The  Taxpayer  Compliance  Measurement  Program  (TCMP) 
survey  of  TY  1992  individual  returns  was  deferred  to  allow 
time  for  us  to  reevaluate  our  survey  methodology.   IRS  is 
also  not  planning  to  conduct  a  Taxpayer  Compliance 
Measurement  Program  TCMP  survey  of  1993  returns.   This 
decision  was  made  due  to  insufficient  time  to  determine  the 
compliance  data  needed  to  design  and  program  specifications 
for  selecting  an  appropriate  sample  of  returns. 

In  lieu  of  a  1993  survey,  we  will  begin  designing  a  survey 
of  1994  returns.   Audits  of  returns  selected  for  the  1994 
survey  should  begin  in  the  fall  of  1995. 

c.  If  so.  will  it  have  a  sample  size  similar  to  recent 
'.   individual  TCMP  surveys  (i.e.  approximately  55.000 

returns)? 


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The  design  of  the  TY  1994  survey  will  approximate  the  size 
of  prior  Taxpayer  Compliance  Measurement  Program  (TCMP) 
surveys  and  allow  us  to  compare  results  with  those  surveys. 
Some  other  design  features  we  are  considering  include 
stratifying  taxpayers  by  industry/market  segment  and 
selecting  a  sample  across  all  types  (Forms  1040,  1120,  etc.) 
of  filed  returns.   Also,  survey  returns  selected  from 
specific  market  segments  will  be  assigned  to  examiners  who 
have  been  specially  trained  to  detect  compliance  issues 
associated  with  those  segments. 

d.    Will  the  TCMP  audits  examine  every  line  on  every 
individual  return  that  has  an  entry? 

Examiners  will  consider  every  return  line  item.   However,  if 
a  line  item  is  normal  and  reasonable,  the  examiner's 
judgement  will  be  used  to  determine  the  depth  of  the  audit 
work  on  those  specific  issues. 

Included  within  IRS's  budget  request  is  an  International  Tax 
Compliance  initiative  directed  toward  foreign  firms  doing 
business  in  the  U.S.    The  initiative  calls  for  an 
additional  177  positions  and  $30.6  million  to  increase 
examinations  of  foreign  firms,  negotiate  additional  Advance 
Pricing  Agreements,  and  increase  the  use  of  expert  witnesses 
and  outside  consultants. 

a.  How  many  additional  examinations  does  IRS  expect  to 
audit  under  this  initiative? 

We  anticipate  that  this  initiative  will  result  in 
approximately  400  additional  tax  returns  being  examined 
during  the  first  fiscal  year  of  the  initiative.   These 
returns  will  include  both  Forms  1120  and  1120F. 

b.  The  revenue  estimate  for  the  transfer-pricing 
initiative  is  S50  million  over  five  years.   Why  is  the 
revenue  estimate  so  low? 

We  are  confident  that  the  yield  from  the  initiatives  will  be 
substantially  higher  than  forecasted.   Because  of  the 
uncertainty  of  projecting  revenue  from  compliance 
initiatives,  the  Treasury's  Office  of  Tax  Analysis  (OTA) 
intentionally  made  a  conservative  estimate. 

The  Office  of  Tax  Analysis  (OTA)  estimates  that  the  average 
yield  over  the  life  of  the  initiative  will  be  $64,000  per 
corporate  return.   The  return  on  investment  and  the  number 
of  returns  examined  should  increase  in  later  years  (above 
the  400)  after  the  learning  curve  of  agents  as  the  training 
costs  decrease  heightens  associated  with  bringing  revenue 
agents  up  to  speed  on  international  issues  heightens. 


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It  is  important  not  to  define  the  success  of  this  initiative 
solely  in  terms  of  the  direct  revenue  that  it  yields.   This 
initiative  was  broadly  designed  to  impro"^^ compliance  in  the 
international  arena.   While  in  most  instances  that  will 
result  in  additional  tax  dollars  collected,  some  of  the 
investment,  for  example,  in  improved  technology,  will  result 
in  a  greatly  improved  program  even  though  direct  yield 
attributable  to  the  ADP  upgrade  will  be  difficult  to 
calculate. 

There  are  areas  where  we  are  confident  the  investment  will 
result  in  additional  dollars  collected,  but  the  exact 
results  are  not  quantifiable.   An  example  is  the  amount  of 
revenue  in  the  initiative  associated  with  Chief  Counsel 
activities.   The  support  provided  by  Counsel  to  our 
International  Examiners  will  assuredly  increase  revenue,  but 
it  is  difficult  to  quantify.   Rather  than  specify  any  actual 
dollar  amount,  we  took  a  conservative  approach  and  did  not 
attribute  any  revenue  to  this  initiative. 

c.  Why  does  the  compliance  initiative  lose  $2  million  in 
the  first  vear? 

The  first-year  revenue  loss  associated  with  the  initiative 
results  from  the  opportunity  costs  of  redirecting  some  of 
the  time  of  experienced  international  examiners  from 
examination  activities  to  training  duties. 

d.  How  many  new  international  examiners  will  IRS  have  on 
board  auditing  returns  during  1994?   How  manv 
attorneys?   Economists? 

The  FY  1994  initiative  will  provide  an  additional  50 
international  examiners  and  increase  the  authorized  staffing 
of  international  examiners  to  682.   The  economist  staffing 
will  remain  at  68.   The  initiative  will  also  provide  4 
additional  attorneys  for  the  APA  program,  3  attorneys  for 
FCC  issues,  and  37  additional  attorneys  to  support  large 
case  CEP  examinations.   With  these  additional  positions, 
Counsel  anticipates  being  able  to  provide  support 
commensurate  with  any  increased  demand  from  Examination.   We 
intend  to  use  the  additional  International  Examiners  to 
increase  the  number  of  tax  returns  being  examined. 

e.  Is  it  feasible  for  IRS  to  conduct  a  specific  number  of 
current  year  audits  so  that  it  can  assess  the  impact  of 
recent  tax  law  changes  and  IRS  enforcement  efforts? 

The  IRS  has  launched  initiatives  to  examine  more  current 
years  within  the  Coordinated  Examination  Program  (CEP) . 
Improvement  is  being  made,  but  we  are  not  yet  auditing  current 
years.   With  respect  to  non-CEP  taxpayers,  the  return  years 


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currently  under  audit  are  almost  all  post-1986,  the  majority  of 
which  are  1990  and  1991  returns. 

Due  to  the  newness  of  the  Omnibus  Budget  Reconciliation  Act 
of  1990  (OBRA) ,   we  cannot  fully  evaluate  the  effectiveness  of 
the  new  law's  provisions.   However,  we  can  say  that  our  examiners 
are  very  aware  of  the  new  penalties,  and  have  utilized  funding 
provided  for  outside  experts.   Our  reporting  system  to  date  shows 
the  following  for  the  two  most  prominent  provisions. 

FY  91  FY  92 

IRC   6038A  Failure  to  Provide  Information 
on  Foreign  Corporations 

Penalties  Proposed $464,000         $576,000 

Tax  Years  Affected 363  268 

Expert  Witnesses   (Used  by  International  Examiners 
on  International  Cases) 

8  12 

Please  note  that  the  penalties  are  proposed.   Feedback  from 
field  personnel  indicates  that  OBRA's  provisions  strengthen 
compliance  and  provide  positive  support  for  IRS' 
international  enforcement  efforts.   We  see  expert  witnesses 
being  used  extensively  to  provide  needed  expertise  to 
bolster  IRS  positions  in  complex  tax  issues. 

f .    Should  the  functions  within  IRS  that  deal  with 

transfer-pricing  issues  be  centralized  —  under  the 
leadership  of  a  national  coordinator?  Explain  your 
answer. 

There  is  a  close  working  relationship  and  coordination 
between  the  Assistant  Commissioner  (International)  and  the 
Associate  Chief  Counsel  (International)  in  planning  and 
implementing  initiatives,  training  international  personnel,  and 
in  drafting  regulations  or  recommending  legislation.   The 
relationship  has  been  effective  and  has  enhanced  the  Service's 
efforts  in  dealing  with  transfer  pricing  issues,  as  well  as  other 
international  tax  administration  endeavors. 

The  Office  of  the  Assistant  Commissioner  (International) 
recently  established  the  position  of  National  Transfer  Pricing 
Coordinator.   With  the  appointment  of  this  Coordinator,  we  have 
centralized  our  dealings  on  transfer  pricing  issues  from  an 
administrative  perspective.   This  incumbent  will  provide  national 
coordination  on  transfer  pricing  matters  and  enhance  the  support 
given  to  international  field  personnel.   The  Coordinator  will 
work  with  Counsel  and  Appeals  at  the  national,  regional  and 


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district  levels  to  identify  transfer  pricing  issues,  develop 
examination  methodologies,  explore  information  sources  and 
promote  consistent  applications  in  the  development  of  issues. 
The  Coordinator  will  also  work  with  the  Transfer  Pricing 
Specialists  of  the  International  Field  Assistance  Specialization 
Program  (IFASP)  and  with  the  oversight,  tax  treaty  and  compliance 
analysis  functions  of  the  Assistant  Commissioner  (International). 

g .    In  the  past  three  years,  Congress  has  taken  a  number  of 
steps  to  provide  IRS  with  access  to  transfer-pricing 
information.   IRS  international  examiners  still  have 
difficulty  getting  information  from  third  parties  to 
establish  a  comparable  arm's  length  price.   The  problem 
resolves  around  the  third  party's  reluctance  to  share 
cost  data  and  pricing  information  with  the  Government, 
since  this  data  might  be  shared  with  their  com.petitors . 

i .    Should  third-party  pricing  data  that  is  used  to 
validate  transfer  prices  be  protected? 

The  viability  of  the  arm's  length  standard  is  dependent  upon 
the  Service's  ability  to  obtain  and  use  potentially 
sensitive  third  party  information  to  establish  comparables. 
While  protecting  the  privacy  of  third  party  information  is 
an  important  objective,  the  manner  in  which  such  protections 
are  afforded  and  the  degree  of  protections  afforded  may 
interfere  with  or  effectively  eliminate  the  Service's 
ability  to  obtain  and  use  such  information  to  determine  a 
taxpayer's  appropriate  tax  liability.   Striking  a  balance 
between  the  degree  of  protection  to  be  afforded  to  third 
party  information  and  the  critical  need  for  access  to  such 
information  will  be  difficult. 

ii .   What  does  the  Commissioner's  Advisory  Group  (CAG) 
think  about  this  issue?   When  will  the  CAG  issue 
its  report? 

The  International  Subgroup  of  the  Commissioner's  Advisory 
Group  has  been  evaluating  several  issues  relative  to  third 
party  comparables;  however,  there  are  not  any  conclusive 
viewpoints  at  this  time.   The  Commissioner's  Advisory  Group 
(CAG's)  Subgroup  anticipates  issuing  its  report  in  September 
of  1993. 

i i i .  Is  IRS  able  to  protect  this  information  under 
existing  law? 

Section  6103  currently  prohibits  the  disclosure  by  the 
Service  of  comparable  pricing  information  obtained  from 
third  party  return  information,  unless  the  information 
otherwise  meets  the  narrow  "item"  or  "transaction"  test 
based  upon  a  nexus  with  the  taxpayer.   Thus,  if  relevant 


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information  were  obtained  from,  for  example,  a  U.S. 
manufacturer  during  its  audit,  and  that  information  would  be 
useful  in  the  separate  examination  of  an  unrelated  foreign 
manufacturer,  the  information  would  be  tax  return 
information  of  the  U.S.  manufacturer  and  could  not  be 
disclosed  to  the  foreign  manufacturer. 

However,  if,  in  the  context  of  an  examination  of  a  taxpayer 
company,  the  IRS  were  to  issue  a  summons  to  the  unrelated 
third  party  for  the  same  comparable  information  referred  to 
above,  the  information  obtained  pursuant  to  the  summons 
would  become  the  return  information  of  the  taxpayer  under 
examination  and  would,  under  current  law,  be  available  to 
that  taxpayer.   Thus,  if  the  U.S.  manufacturer's  information 
were  obtained  by  a  third  party  summons  during  an  examination 
of  the  unrelated  foreign  manufacturer,  the  U.S. 
manufacturer's  information  would  not  be  considered  the  U.S. 
manufacturer's  tax  return  information,  but  rather 
information  related  to  the  foreign  manufacturer's  tax 
return,  and  in  this  situation,  section  6103  would  not 
prevent  the  U.S.  manufacturer's  information  from  disclosure 
to  the  foreign  manufacturer. 

iv.   Does  IRS  need  help  from  Congress  to  provide 

confidentiality  protections  for  third-party  data? 

The  issue  of  third  party  comparable  information  highlights 
the  conflict  that  may  arise  between  important  policy 
concerns  as  a  result  of  our  transfer  pricing  rules.   The 
answer  to  your  question  depends  on  the  manner  in  which  the 
conflict  between  these  competing  policy  concerns  is 
resolved. 

As  referred  to  above  in  the  response  to  part  (i)  of  this 
question,  third  party  comparable  information  (broadly 
defined)  is  critical  in  the  Service's  ability  to 
successfully  apply  the  arm's  length  standard  to  determine 
the  proper  tax  liability  of  an  unrelated  taxpayer.   However, 
there  are  legitimate  competing  concerns  about  protecting  the 
confidentiality  of  sensitive  information  obtained  from 
unrelated  third  parties  and  preventing  the  imposition  of 
undue  burdens  on  such  third  parties  (including  U.S. 
persons) . 

To  the  extent  that  access  to  third-party  comparables  is 
deemed  necessary  and  desirable  in  some  cases,  current  law 
would  almost  certainly  be  insufficient  to  allow  us  to  make 
reasonable  accommodation  for  privacy  concerns  in  every  case. 
Until  a  balance  is  struck  between  the  competing  concerns, 
however,  it  is  difficult  to  predict  what  type  of  action  will 
be  required. 


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V.    What  is  IRS's  policy  with  regard  to  issuing  third- 
party  "friendly"  summonses  to  gain  data  on 
unrelated  transactions? 

In  the  section  482  context,  the  adoption  of  the  arm's  length 
standard  makes  it  necessary  to  obtain  third  party  comparable 
data.   Because  the  decision  to  enforce  summonses  for  third  party 
comparable  information  raises  policy  issues  of  burden  and 
confidentiality,  the  Service  has,  of  necessity,  considered 
whether  it  can  issue  "accommodation"  third-party  summonses  when 
requested  by  the  third  party  in  order  to  obtain  such  information. 
The  previous  Administration  decided  that,  in  appropriate 
circumstances,  the  issuance  of  "accommodation"  third  party 
summonses  would  be  permitted.   The  new  Administration  has  not  yet 
determined  whether  it  will  be  necessary  to  modify  this  policy. 

vi .   Are  IRS  examiners  prohibited  from  issuing 
"friendly"  summonses  to  third  parties? 

The  IRM  contains  no  formal  restrictions  on  the  ability  of 
revenue  agents  to  issue  "accommodation"  summons  to  third  parties. 

h .    For  years,  there  has  been  concern  that  IRS  is 

"outgunned"  and  "outmanned" ;  that  IRS  auditors, 
economists,  and  lawyers  are  not  sufficiently  trained  or 
experienced  to  handle  these  complex  tax  cases.   IRS 
takes  experienced  auditors  and  litigators  off  case  work 
to  train  new  employees.   This  strategy  reduces  the 
number  of  audits  conducted  and  prolongs  the  examination 
process. 

i.    Is  there  a  better  way  to  provide  guality  training 
for  IRS  personnel? 

Senior,  expert  and  experienced  IRS  employees  make  a  vital 
contribution  in  training  new  employees  across  all  the  major 
occupations  --  revenue  agents,  revenue  officers,  attorneys, 
appeals  officers,  etc.   That  investment  of  talent  is  one  of 
the  key  ingredients  in  IRS's  technical  training  programs. 
We  have  a  number  of  initiatives  now  in  process  to  maximize 
the  contribution  which  those  senior  employees  make,  while 
minimizing  the  cost. 

We  are  working  toward  a  breakthrough  improvement  in  our 
ability  to  equip  all  IRS  employees  with  the  skills  they 
need.   The  result  of  this  effort,  an  "IRS  University",  will 
offer  an  integrated  curriculum  of  first-rate  courses  in  tax 
law,  accounting,  economic  and  financial  analysis, 
information  systems  technologies,  and  other  skills  necessary 
to  deliver  our  new  vision  of  tax  administration. 


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Included  in  the  design  concepts  are  some  important  systemic 
changes  from  prior  training  approaches,  such  as: 

•  a  dedicated  technical  training  faculty  with  specialist 
instructors  who  teach  their  areas  of  expertise; 

•  concentrated  delivery  of  specialty  technical  training  for 
complex  corporate  and  international  tax  issues  and 
instructor  training,  using  the  latest  technology; 

•  ongoing  relationships  with  universities  and  other 
sources  including  Chief  Counsel  to  supplement  in-house 
talent;  and 

•  intensified  training  research  and  development  efforts. 

In  addition  to  the  long-term  IRS  University  effort,  we  are 
working  with  a  number  of  universities  to  coordinate  their 
course  curricula  with  IRS  needs.   We,  in  turn,  are 
streamlining  and  accelerating  IRS  training  for  graduates  of 
these  programs. 

Over  the  past  three  years,  IRS  has  also  made  increasing 
strides  in  using  video-teleconferencing  technology  for 
training  applications.   In  Chief  Counsel  and  Examination  CPE 
programs  we  have  successfully  leveraged  the  available 
expertise  and  provided  more  efficient  training  to  larger 
audiences  in  the  field. 

In  addition  to  these  efforts,  our  present  and  future 
automation  tools,  such  as  the  Section  482  Expert  System,  the 
Foreign  Tax  Credit  Knowledge-Based  System,  and  the 
International  Bulletin  Board  offer  significant  productivity 
enhancements. 

ii .   Is  it  feasible  and  cost  effective  to  have  outside 
experts  instruct  IRS  personnel  on  transfer  pricing 
and  other  tax  subjects? 

We  believe  the  use  of  outside  experts  for  all  types  of 
international  training  is  feasible  and  therefore,  is 
currently  being  considered  by  IRS  University.   In  the  last 
two  fiscal  years,  we  have  successfully  utilized  outside 
experts  to  conduct  Cultural  Awareness  Training  for  our 
international  specialists. 

i .    The  ability  of  IRS  to  sustain  its  examination  results 
throughout  the  administrative  appeals  process  is 
questionable. 

i .    Should  large  corporations  have  the  benefit  of  an 
appeals  process? 

Yes,  for  several  reasons.   First,  the  Service  doesn't  have 
the  resources  to  litigate  every  large  corporate  case  and  the 


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courts  don't  have  the  resources  to  hear  all  of  those  cases. 
Without  an  administrative  appeals  process  to  settle  most  of 
the  cases  and  issues  raised  in  Exam,  the  resources  of  both 
the  courts  and  the  IRS  would  quickly  be  depleted.   In 
addition,  it  is  unfair  to  force  large  corporate  taxpayers  to 
expend  resources  to  litigate  cases  or  issues  that  might  be 
settled  outside  of  litigation  in  Appeals. 

Large  corporate  taxpayers  are  entitled  to  an  administrative 
appeals  hearing  just  like  any  other  taxpayer.   Low 
sustention  rates  on  large  cases  settled  in  Appeals  reflect 
many  things  —  the  complexity  of  the  law.  Exam's  aggressive 
pursuit  of  new  and  emerging  issues,  the  taxpayers' 
unwillingness  or  inability  to  provide  the  information 
requested  by  Exam,  the  litigating  hazards  faced  by  the 
government  when  these  issues  are  tried.   The  sustention 
rates  in  Appeals  reflect  the  impact  of  all  of  these  factors 
on  the  adjustments  that  Exam  proposes.   Denying  a  large 
corporate  taxpayer  the  right  to  an  administrative  appeal 
would  result  in  punishing  taxpayers  who  are  trying  to 
cooperate,  but  have  a  genuine  disagreement  with  the  Service 
over  the  interpretation  of  a  particular  Code  section  or 
regulation. 

ii .   Should  the  role  of  Appeals  be  modified  or 
eliminated?   Why  or  why  not? 

No,  the  role  of  Appeals  in  resolving  cases  without 
litigation,  in  a  manner  that  is  fair  to  both  sides  is  a 
critical  one.   To  be  effective,  tax  administration  needs  a 
form  of  alternative  dispute  resolution  —  a  way  of  settling 
the  majority  of  the  cases  quickly  and  fairly  without  trial. 
Appeals  fills  that  role.   Most  cases  are  settled  in  a 
reasonable  amount  of  time  and  in  a  manner  that  reflects  the 
litigating  hazards  and  the  many  other  factors  impacting  on 
the  issue  as  discussed  above. 

The  Service,  in  general,  and  Appeals,  in  particular,  are 
looking  for  ways  to  streamline  the  existing  system  to  make 
it  better  and  to  ensure  high  quality  dispositions  in  a 
timely  manner.   The  traditional  role  of  Appeals  may  change 
slightly  through  that  process.   If  implemented,  the 
traditional  Appeals  procedures  could  change,  but  the  concept 
of  alternative  dispute  resolution  --  with  Appeals  as  the 
focal  point  of  the  Service's  efforts  —  should  remain 
essentially  unchanged. 

j .    Alternative  dispute  resolution  mechanisms,  such  as 

Advanced  Pricing  Agreements  and  arbitration,  have  been 
suggested  as  ways  to  avoid  contentious  audits  and 
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i.    What  can  be  done  to  expand  the  use  of  Advance 
Pricing  Agreements? 

The  FY  1994  initiative  would  provide  for  additional 
resources  in  the  Office  of  the  Assistant  Commissioner 
(International)  and  Chief  Counsel  to  expand  the  operation  of 
the  APA  program.   The  resulting  increased  staffing  at  all 
levels  would  be  coupled  with  a  program  to  better  publicize 
the  benefits  of  the  program. 

ii •   What  can  be  done  to  expedite  the  arbitration 
process? 

We  have  one  case  with  a  transfer  pricing  issue  that  has 
nearly  completed  the  arbitration  process.   Because  this  was 
the  first  case  of  this  type  to  go  to  arbitration,  much 
effort  was  devoted,  by  both  the  Service  and  the  taxpayer,  to 
negotiate  and  define  the  rules  that  would  be  followed.   For 
example,  the  first  agreement  for  voluntary  binding 
arbitration  had  to  be  developed  as  well  as  procedures  for 
selecting  the  arbitrators.   Subsequent,  similar  cases  may  be 
completed  within  a  shorter  time  frame  because  of  our 
experience  with  this  first  case. 

Our  Appeals  office  is  considering  other  dispute  resolution 
techniques  that  may  help  us  resolve  cases  more 
expeditiously.   For  example,  the  early  referral  of  an 
unagreed  issue  to  Appeals  while  the  rest  of  the  case  remains 
in  Examination  for  development,  may  save  the  taxpayer  and 
the  Service  time.   Also,  mediation  might  prove  to  be  a 
beneficial  process  for  resolving  certain  factual  issues, 
such  as  those  involving  valuation  and  transfer  pricing. 

With  respect  to  Tax  Court  sanctioned  arbitration,  it  must  be 
remembered  that  this  is  still  an  adversarial  process,  and 
continues  to  require  many  of  the  same  procedures  involved  in 
traditional  litigation.   The  purpose  of  attempting  arbitration 
was  not  solely  to  speed  resolution  of  disputes.   However,  because 
the  arbitration  panel  is  not  constrained  by  a  Tax  Court  judge's 
docket,  it  is  able  to  focus  its  attention  and  particular 
expertise  exclusively  to  the  particular  case.  We  believe  that  the 
proceedings  can  move  more  quickly  than  traditional  litigation, 
and  that  a  decision  can  be  obtained  more  quickly. 

k.    In  IRS's  transfer-pricing  report  submitted  in  April 
1992.  IRS  states  that  the  Tax  Court  rules  regarding 
depositions  limit  IRS's  ability  to  obtain  relevant  and 
important  information.   In  other  Federal  courts, 
depositions  are  fairly  routine. 

i .    Do  the  restrictive  rules  put  IRS  at  a  disadvantage 
in  litigating  section  482  cases? 


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Section  482  cases  require  extensive  factual  development,  and 
often  the  application  of  complex  economic  analysis  to  the 
technical  operations  of  a  taxpayer.   Thus,  such  cases  may 
turn  less  on  the  tax  expertise  possessed  by  a  judge  than  on 
the  judge's  evaluation  of  the  credibility  of  a  witness  who 
is  expert  in  some  non-tax  discipline,  and  on  the  proof  of 
complicated  facts  that  will  support  or  disprove  the 
witness's  economic  analysis.   The  scope  of  the  intensive 
factual  inquiry  that  is  required  and  the  frequent  reluctance 
of  the  taxpayer  to  provide  all  of  the  information  requested 
by  the  Service  make  difficult  the  Service's  task  of 
developing  the  facts  and  ascertaining  the  taxpayer's  theory 
during  an  examination. 

The  difficulties  faced  by  the  Service  during  the  examination 
of  these  large,  factually  complex  cases  place  a  greater 
burden  on  the  Service  in  those  cases  that  proceed  to 
litigation.   Though  the  Tax  Court  has  m.odified  certain  of 
its  rules  in  recent  years,  its  rules  of  discovery  (including 
the  use  of  depositions)  remain  more  restrictive  than  the 
rules  in  the  other  forums  in  which  tax  controversies  may  be 
adjudicated  (i.e. ,  the  U.S.  district  courts  and  the  U.S. 
Court  of  Federal  Claims) .   The  Tax  Court  rules  were  not 
developed  specifically  with  contentious,  large  case 
litigation  in  mind,  and  thus  do  not  generally  contemplate 
the  level  of  discovery  that  may  be  commonly  sought  in  such 
complicated  cases.   These  rules  often  will  place  the  Service 
at  a  disadvantage,  because  the  Service  is  the  party  that  is 
not  otherwise  privy  to  the  crucial  facts  of  the  case. 

ii.   What  should  be  done  to  rectify  this  problem? 

Both  the  Service  and  the  Tax  Court  have  been  attempting  to 
adapt  to  the  demands  of  large  case  litigation  such  as  that 
under  section  482.   The  Service  is  focusing  more  resources 
and  attention  on  its  examination  function,  and  is  working 
more  closely  with  its  Office  of  Chief  Counsel  in  the 
development  of  cases  that  are  under  examination.   This 
involvement  at  the  examination  level  is  intended  to  improve 
the  factual  development  of  legally  relevant  issues  at  an 
earlier  stage.   This  should  prompt  earlier  resolution  of 
issues  and  better  preparation  of  those  issues  that  have  to 
be  resolved  in  litigation  in  the  Tax  Court.   While  the 
Service  continues  to  explore  alternative  dispute  resolution 
methods,  it  is  recognized  that  transfer  pricing  litigation 
will  continue  to  place  a  burden  on  the  Service  and  the  Tax 
Court  for  the  foreseeable  future.   The  Tax  Court,  on  a  case- 
by-case  basis,  has  been  attempting  to  strike  the  proper 
balance  between  its  discovery  rules  and  the  realities  of 
large  case  litigation. 


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Notwithstanding  these  developments,  the  tension  between  the 
limitations  on  discovery  in  the  Tax  Court  and  the 
appropriate  factual  development  of  large,  factually  complex 
cases  in  litigation  would  be  lessened  if  the  Tax  Court's 
discovery  rules  were  made  less  restrictive  (in  general,  by 
more  closely  paralleling  those  of  the  U.S.  district  courts). 

1.    What  specific  progress  have  IRS  and  Customs  made  to 
share  information  regarding  transfer-pricing  cases? 

The  IRS-Customs  Policy  Board  was  created  in  November  1992  to 
address  issues  of  common  concern  and  where  possible,  to  take 
a  one-department  approach  to  their  resolution.   The  Board 
has  discussed  several  areas  for  information  sharing  under 
the  current  statutes  governing  disclosure  of  information. 

The  IRS  has  agreed  to  look  into  potential  ways  in  which 
Customs  may  participate  in  future  Advance  Pricing  Agreements 
recognizing  a  taxpayer  disclosure  waiver  would  be  necessary. 
The  Board  is  also  considering  how  to  provide  Customs  with 
information  pertaining  to  transfer  pricing  methods  used  and 
knowledge  developed  during  the  APA  process  while  protecting 
the  identity  of  the  specific  taxpayers  involved. 

Additional  information  sharing  between  IRS  and  Customs  has 
included:  the  exchange  of  personnel  for  training  in  transfer 
pricing  and  valuation  methods,  inter-agency  meetings  and 
seminars  dealing  with  technigues  used  in  the  examination  of 
large  case  examinations,  joint  discussions  of  Mexican 
Maquiladora  business  operations,  and  Customs  information 
provided  for  IRS  use  in  the  development  of  transfer  pricing 
cases  including  identification  of  third-party  comparable 
transactions  related  to  imported  goods. 

The  fiscal  year  1994  budget  proposal  includes  $19.6  million 
to  help  IRS  implement  tax  law  changes  but  does  not  provide 
for  any  additional  staff.   will  IRS  have  sufficient 
resources  to  implement  new  tax  legislation  next  year? 

It  is  difficult  at  this  time  to  comment  on  the  adequacy  of 
our  resource  level  for  implementing  new  legislation.   Our 
early  estimates  indicate  a  need  for  increased  resources  to 
implement  the  new  diesel  fuel  compliance  measures  enacted  in 
P.L.  103-66.   However,  we  do  not  yet  know  exactly  what  the 
impact  of  this  new  legislation  will  be. 

In  the  case  of  the  FY  1994  provision,  a  substantial  portion 
of  the  $19.6  million  will  be  spent  to  administer  the  Earned 
Income  Program  and  will  include  additional  outreach  and 
assistance  programs. 


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Under  the  fiscal  year  1994  budget  proposal,  the  number  of 
employees  for  Taxpayer  Service  will  have  dropped  by  400 
positions  from  1992  (from  8.476  in  1992  to  8,089  in  1994K 
Have  any  of  these  cuts  affected  the  operations  of  the 
Problem  Resolution  Program?   If  so.  how? 

We  are  not  aware  of  any  negative  impact  on  the  Problem 
Resolution  Program  resulting  from  changes  in  the  resources 
available  to  Taxpayer  Service.   Taxpayer  Service  has 
answered  more  taxpayer  calls  during  the  1993  filing  season 
than  they  did  in  the  1992  filing  season  and  has  provided  the 
necessary  resources  to  work  PRP  cases. 

While  PRP  receipts  in  service  centers  stayed  stable  between 
1992  and  1993,  they  did  decline  in  district  offices. 
Several  improvements  made  by  the  Service  may  have 
contributed  to  this  decline.   These  improvements  are  the 
one-stop  Service  concept,  allowing  more  cases  to  be  resolved 
based  upon  taxpayer  oral  statements,  changes  in  installment 
agreement  criteria,  changes  in  of f er-in-compromise 
procedures  and  additional  tax  systems  modernization 
improvements  which  allowed  IRS  employees  to  resolve  taxpayer 
problems  sooner. 

As  a  result  of  Tax  Systems  Modernization  (TSM)  and  other 
projects.  IRS  estimates  that  it  will  achieve  productivity 
savings  of  $55.3  million  in  fiscal  year  1994.   Last  year, 
the  GAP  testified  that  IRS  failed  to  achieve  real 
"productivity  savings"  from  its  TSM  efforts. 

a.  What  will  happen  if  the  IRS  does  not  achieve  projected 
productivity  savings? 

b.  Will  IRS  have  to  cut  positions  or  program  activities  to 
make  up  the  difference? 

IRS  is  committed  to  achieving  the  FY  1994  productivity 
savings.   We  intend  to  do  our  best  to  ensure  that  we  deliver 
the  revenue  projected  in  connection  with  the  compliance 
initiatives.   In  order  to  increase  the  certainty  that  this 
will  occur,  the  IRS  is  exploring  other  options  —  namely, 
redirecting  staff  and  overhead  positions  from  National 
Office  and  regional  offices  to  front-line  compliance, 
customer  service  and  processing-related  activities. 

c.  How  come  fewer  notices  will  be  issued  in  1994  (2.6 
million)  as  part  of  the  Underreporter  Program  than  were 
issued  in  1992  (3.8  million)? 

There  are  several  reasons  for  the  variations  in  notice 
volumes  in  recent  years.   Improvements  in  the  initial 
computer  process  of  matching  tax  returns  to  information 


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documents  have  reduced  the  number  of  discrepancy  cases  and 
cut  down  on  the  number  of  erroneous  and  marginal  taxpayer 
contacts  initiated  through  the  program.   Also,  several 
budget  adjustments  reduced  staffing  for  this  program  in  FY 
1993  and  1994. 

•  Each  year  275  FTE  were  temporarily  diverted  from  the 
Underreporter  (UR)  Program  to  the  Substitute  for  Return 
(SFR)  Program  in  order  to  eliminate  backlogs  of  nonfiler 
cases  in  this  important  area  of  noncompliance. 

•  Productivity  reductions  were  taken  for  the  Automated 
Underreporter  (AUR)  System  in  anticipation  of  complete 
implementation  of  that  system.   Full  implementation  is 
now  expected  in  mid-FY  1994. 

d.    If  IRS  doesn't  achieve  the  expected  productivity 

savings  in  1994,  could  the  11  compliance  initiatives  be 
affected? 

Initial  estimates  of  FY  1994  productivity  savings  were 
predicated  on  full  funding  in  FY  1993.   Following 
Congressional  cuts  of  $100  million,  it  was  agreed  that  the 
productivity  savings  would  be  reduced  by  $20.5  million. 
However,  since  the  FY  1993  economic  stimulus  supplemental 
would  have  restored  earlier  Congressional  cuts,  the  higher 
level  of  productivity  savings  were  retained.   Absent  passage 
of  that  bill,  IRS  faces  a  productivity  assessment  of  $20 
million  without  the  investment  funding  to  implement  those 
projects. 

In  spite  of  this  fact,  IRS  is  committed  to  making  every 
reasonable  effort  to  achieve  the  productivity  savings  agreed 
to  for  FY  1994.   The  benefits  will  be  achieved  by  taking 
steps  to  change  work  processes  and  procedures  to  ensure  that 
operations  managers  take  full  advantage  of  the  advances 
offered  by  technology  as  soon  as  it  is  available.   In 
addition,  over  the  next  several  years  we  will  be  redirecting 
a  number  of  staff  and  overhead  positions  from  National 
Office  and  regional  offices  to  front-line  compliance, 
customer  service  and  processing  related  activities. 

9.    Last  year.  GAP  testified  before  the  Subcommittee  and 

recommended  that  IRS  reassesses  the  value,  number,  and  make 
up  of  its  regional,  district,  service  center,  and  telephone 
call  sites  in  order  to  take  advantage  of  opportunities 
afforded  by  TSM. 

a.    Has  IRS  undertaken  a  review  of  its  organizational 
structure? 


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Yes,  we  chartered  three  studies  focusing  on  different 
components  of  our  current  structure.   The  first,  the  Service 
Center  Organization  Study  (SCOS) ,  concentrates  on  the  work 
currently  performed  by  service  centers,  computing  centers, 
automated  collection  sites,  and  Taxpayer  Services  and 
Central  Inventory  Distribution  Sites  telephone  related  work. 
The  second,  the  District  Organization  Study  (DOS) ,  focuses 
on  traditional  district-based  front  line  functions  such  as 
Collection,  Criminal  Investigation,  Employee  Plans  and 
Exempt  Organizations,  Examination,  Information  Systems, 
International  and  Taxpayer  Services.   The  third  component, 
the  National/Regional  Organization  Study  (NROS)  focuses  on 
the  support  and  overhead  structures,  including  regional 
office  and  national  office  roles  and  missions. 

b.    What  conclusions  has  IRS  reached  with  regard  to 
reorganization? 

In  general  terms  our  future  direction  is  characterized  by: 

•  A  cross-functional  organizational  structure  built  around 
one-stop  taxpayer  access  by  telephone,  rather  than  a 
multi-stop,  correspondence-driven  functional 
organization; 

•  A  system  that  provides  instant  access  to  all  relevant 
information,  allowing  us  to  significantly  reduce  the  time 
it  takes  to  close  routine  issues  and  errors  on  returns; 

•  A  tax  information  and  processing  system  that  supports 
complete,  integrated  and  multi-year  taxpayer  files  rather 
than  the  piecemeal,  free-standing  systems  now  in  place; 

•  Compliance  programs  designed  to  provide  a  comprehensive 
approach  to  the  needs  of  taxpayer  market  segments  leading 
to  a  voluntary  compliance  rate  well  in  excess  of  90 
percent; 

•  A  dramatic  reduction  in  paper  submissions  of  any  kind 
through  receipt  of  more  than  80  million  electronically 
filed  returns  and  electronic  payments; 

•  Geographic  flexibility  in  location  of  employees  and 
operations  through  electronic  linkages; 

•  An  interdisciplinary  workforce  ready  to  address  a  range 
of  taxpayer  issues;  and 

•  A  highly  skilled  and  empowered  workforce  with  superior 
computer  skills,  detailed  knowledge  of  tax  law,  and 
outstanding  interpersonal  skills. 


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c.  When  will  IRS  start  implementing  its  structural 
changes? 

Our  early  strategy  will  focus  on  delivering  prototype  sites 
representing  new  operating  components  in  the  1996  timeframe, 
leading  to  our  ultimate  goal  for  2001. 

d.  Is  it  feasible  for  the  National  Office  to  oversee  the 
operations  of  IRS's  10  service  centers  and  the  three 
form  distribution  centers? 

The  future  role  of  the  National  Office  is  being  addressed  in 
the  National/Regional  Organization  study. 

In  September  1992.  IRS  implemented  a  nationwide,  non-filer 
program  designed  to  bring  approximately  10  million 
individuals  and  businesses  who  have  failed  to  file  tax 
returns  back  into  the  system. 

a .  It  has  been  suggested  that  the  non-filer  program  is 
ambiguous  and  doesn't  offer  enough  incentives  for  non- 
filers. 

i .    Is  the  non-filer  program  being  operated 
consistently  throughout  the  country? 

The  basic  program  has  been  implemented  in  all  districts. 
Some  districts  and  regions  have  supplemented  the  program 
with  their  own  initiatives  designed  to  address  particular 
populations . 

ii.   Why  are  some  people  taking  advantage  of  the 
program  in  some  parts  of  the  country  and  not 
others? 

We  continue  to  monitor  public  response  and  are  engaged  in  a 
series  of  field  visits  to  examine  regional  and  district 
inconsistencies.   At  a  point  later  in  the  year,  we  will  have 
additional  data  from  filed  returns  to  analyze  discrepancies 
as  well . 

b.  IRS  employees  are  helping  tax  practitioner  groups,  like 
the  American  Bar  Association,  assist  taxpayers  back 
into  the  system.   The  problem  is  that  if  a  taxpayer 
voluntarily  discloses  his  or  her  failure  to  file, 
section  7214  requires  the  IRS  employee  to  report  this 
violation  to  IRS. 

i .    Are  IRS  employees  reporting  individuals  to  IRS  as 
reguired  under  section  7214? 

We  maintain  no  data  on  these  reports. 


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ii.   What  is  IRS's  policy  with  regard  to  section  7214? 

If  a  taxpayer  seeks  assistance  in  filing  delinquent  returns, 
the  IRS  employee  is  not  required  to  make  a  report  if  the 
taxpayer  indicates  that  the  delinquency  will  be  cured.   If, 
however,  the  taxpayer  indicates  continued  noncompliance,  a 
report  is  required. 

IRS  first  began  planning  for  TSM  back  in  1986.   So  far,  the 
Congress  has  appropriated  over  $1  billion  for  TSM.   Please 
describe,  in  general  terms,  how  the  money  appropriated  by 
the  Congress  has  been  spent. 

Through  the  end  of  FY  1992,  IRS  had  spent  approximately  $287 
million  to  acquire  mainframes,  workstations,  storage  devices 
and  services.   Approximately  $40  million  was  expended  on 
telecommunications  which  lessened  the  need  to  fly  tapes 
around  the  country  in  order  to  process  tax  return 
information.   The  new  telecommunication  system  also  serves 
as  the  communications  backbone  for  the  future  system  which 
will  provide  the  necessary  information  to  IRS  employees  and 
increase  their  service  to  the  taxpayers;  and  will  connect 
computer  systems,  thereby  reducing  processing  time  and 
increasing  productivity.   The  remaining  $453  million  was 
spent  for  salaries  and  support  including  facilities, 
training,  travel,  services  and  supplies.   With  the  salary 
dollars,  we  have  acquired  technical  expertise  to  provide 
assistance  in  laying  the  foundation  for  the  Systems 
Modernization  which  includes: 

•  Developing  the  Systems  Architecture,  the  essential 
blueprint  of  where  IRS  wants  to  go  and  how  it  will  do 
business  in  the  future; 

•  Developing  the  Design  Master  Plan,  our  road  map  for 
achieving  TSM  and  a  model  for  other  government  agencies; 

•  Completing  activities  to  acquire  the  necessary  equipment 
and  technical  support  for  TSM;  and 

•  Designing,  developing,  implementing  and  testing  new 
systems. 

Projects  which  are  being  tested  or  have  been  implemented  and 
are  already  producing  benefits  to  taxpayers  and  productivity 
savings  for  IRS  include: 

•  Electronic  Filing 

•  TeleFile 

•  TAXLINK 

•  Federal/State  Electronic  Filing 

•  1040PC 


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•  Corporate  Files  On-Line 

•  Automated  Inventory  Control  System 

•  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System 

•  Automated  Criminal  Investigation 

•  Taxpayer  Routing  Interactive  System 

•  Integrated  Collection  System 

12 .  By  how  much  have  the  total  TSM  cost  estimates  grown  since 
1990?   What  do  you  anticipate  that  the  total  price  tag  for 
TSM  will  be? 

In  1990,  the  estimated  life  cycle  cost  for  TSM  was  $21 
billion.   The  current  estimated  cost  is  $23.3  billion.   A 
large  percentage  of  this  increase  is  attributed  to 
converting  from  constant  1990  dollars  to  constant  1992 
dollars. 

13 .  When  he  gave  his  address  to  the  Congress,  President  Clinton 
submitted  a  report  entitled,  "A  Vision  of  Change  for 
America"  describing  the  comprehensive  economic  plan  he  was 
proposing  for  America.   This  report  estimated  the  cost  of 
TSM,  over  the  next  four  years,  to  be  $1.8  billion. 

a.  Exactly  what  does  that  $1.8  billion  figure  represent 
for  fiscal  years  '94,  '95.  '96.  and  '97? 

b.  Is  that  the  amount  the  IRS  expects  to  request  for  TSM 
over  the  next  four  years? 

c.  How  much  does  the  IRS  expect  to  reguest  through  2001? 

Our  request  for  FY  1994  TSM  funds  is  $717  million.   At  this 
time,  we  are  formulating  our  FY  1995  and  out-year 
projections  based  on  our  new  business  vision. 

14 .  The  supplemental  appropriations  (economic  stimulus)  bill 
contained  $148.4  million  for  IRS  computer  operations.   Of 
this  amount.  $107.4  million  is  for  eguipment  that  is  not 
related  to  TSM. 

a.  As  you  move  toward  completion  of  TSM.  will  the  IRS 
continue  to  acquire  equipment  that  is  not  related  to 
TSM? 

b.  How  much  of  this  equipment  becomes  obsolete  when  TSM  is 
completed? 

The  economic  stimulus  package  contained  equipment  purchases 
that  are  required  to  keep  our  current  systems  in  operations 
and  position  us  for  TSM.   These  purchases  were  not 
considered  as  TSM  funded  initiatives.   However,  this 
equipment  would  be  fully  utilized  even  with  the 


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implementation  of  TSM.   The  systems  we  are  acquiring  will 
support  TSM  applications  being  developed. 

15.  How  has  the  Corporate  Files  On-Line  (CFOL)  system  changed 
the  way  service  centers  do  business? 

a.  How  has  CFOL  benefitted  taxpayers?   Please  provide 
specific  examples  of  typical  taxpayer  problems  that  are 
being  better  handled  because  of  CFOL. 

Currently,  taxpayers  must  write  to  one  of  ten  IRS  service 
centers  when  they  need  an  actual  copy  of  their  tax  return. 
Depending  on  whether  the  tax  return  is  stored  at  the  service 
center  to  which  they  write,  another  service  center,  or  a 
Federal  Record  Center,  it  can  take  weeks  to  receive  the 
actual  copy.   Now  CFOL  provides  an  alternative.   Using  CFOL, 
we  are  able  to  immediately  print  out  information  from  the 
taxpayer's  prior  year  return  that  contains  much  of  the  same 
information  and  can  be  used  in  lieu  of  an  actual  copy  of  the 
return.   Because  we  can  offer  these  printouts  so  quickly, 
public  and  private  sector  businesses  are  willing  to  accept 
them  in  lieu  of  a  copy  of  a  tax  return  in  order  to  provide 
faster  benefits  to  their  customers.   For  example.  Hurricane 
Iniki  and  Andrew  disaster  victims  received  loans  needed  to 
help  get  back  on  their  feet  one  to  two  months  faster  because 
the  Small  Business  Administration  agreed  to  accept  these 
printouts  to  process  loans  in  lieu  of  a  copy  of  the  tax 
return.   In  addition,  colleges  and  mortgage  companies  have 
begun  accepting  the  printouts  in  order  to  expedite 
processing. 

b.  What  savings  has  the  IRS  realized  as  a  result  of  CFOL? 

In  FY  1992,  we  were  able  to  cut  $15  million  from  our  budget 

for  productivity  savings  as  a  result  of  partial 

implementation  of  CFOL.   In  FY  1993,  we  were  able  to  cut  an 
additional  $14.5  million. 

16.  How  has  the  Automated  Underreporter  Program  benefitted 
taxpayers? 

The  Automated  Underreporter  (AUR)  project  benefits  taxpayers 
by  reducing  burden  and  improving  the  quality  of  services  and 
products.   AUR  reduces  computation  errors  and  prevents  the 
tax  examiner  from  overlooking  items  thereby  improving  the 
quality  of  notices  sent  to  taxpayers.   Potential  assessments 
can  be  made  faster  thereby  reducing  the  interest  paid  by 
taxpayers.   On-line  review  of  information  sent  to  taxpayers 
will  enable  IRS  employees  to  respond  quickly  to  taxpayer 
inquiries  made  by  telephone.   And  finally,  AUR  makes  the 
most  current  address  available  thereby  improving  delivery  of 
notices  to  taxpayers. 


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a.  To  what  extent  has  automation  of  the  Underreporter 
Program  improved  productivity? 

A  productivity  increase  of  at  least  one  additional  case  per 
hour  in  the  screening  and  response  phase  is  anticipated 
after  tax  examiners  learn  to  fully  utilize  the  new  system. 
This  assumption  is  based  on  processing  a  sample  of  FY  89 
pilot  cases  at  the  Ogden  Service  Center.   The  accuracy  rates 
achieved  during  the  pilot  test  reflect  a  15%  improvement  in 
underreporter  pre-notice  case  processing  and  an  8% 
improvement  in  response  case  processing. 

b.  Does  implementation  of  the  Underreporter  Program  mean 
that  IRS  personnel  in  the  Underreporter  branch  are 
going  to  be  out  of  a  job?   How  many  jobs  will  the 
Underreporter  Program  eliminate? 

Due  to  the  productivity  saving  resulting  from  AUR,  the 
Service  will  be  able  to  process  the  same  volume  of  cases  at 
six  sites  instead  of  ten.   Attrition  and  redeployment  will 
enable  us  to  deal  with  the  existing  excess  Underreporter 
workforce  as  needed.   To  date  we  have  re-deployed  or 
eliminated,  by  attrition,  over  half  of  the  1900  seasonal  and 
permanent  staff  at  these  four  service  centers.   In 
accordance  with  our  Policy  Statement  P-1-112,  we  fully 
expect  to  retrain  and  place  all  remaining  employees  whose 
jobs  are  impacted  by  the  introduction  of  technology. 

c.  The  Subcommittee  has  heard  from  taxpayers  who  have 
received  underreporter  notices  simply  because  they 
printed  an  amount  on  the  line  below  the  correct  line  on 
the  1040.   Will  this  no  longer  happen  with  the 
automated  program?   To  what  extent  will  underreporter 
cases  be  manually  reviewed  before  a  notice  is  sent? 

Automated  Underreporter  will  provide  tax  examiners  with 
improved  capabilities  that  should  provide  more  consistent 
treatment  for  taxpayers  involved  in  the  underreporter 
program.   Tax  examiners  will  continue  to  manually  compare 
the  income  and  deductions  reported  on  tax  returns.   Taxpayer 
contact  will  continue  to  be  made  when  taxpayers  incorrectly 
report  income  and  it  is  not  obvious  to  the  tax  examiner  that 
the  income  was  reported  on  the  wrong  line  of  the  return. 

17 .   In  1991.  Commissioner  Goldberg  testified  that  the  final  goal 
for  completion  of  TSM  was  1999. 

a.    Is  this  still  the  goal?   If  not,  why  not? 

The  current  goal  for  full  implementation  of  TSM  is  2001. 
When  IRS  first  developed  the  year-by-year  transition  plan 
for  TSM,  no  constraints  were  placed  on  resources.   We  have 


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since  capped  our  resources  based  on  realistic  budget 
expectations . 

b.  What  TSM  projects  have  slipped  behind  schedule?   How 
far  behind  schedule  have  these  projects  fallen? 

The  Automated  Underreporter  (AUR)  project  was  scheduled  to 
be  fully  implemented  in  this  fiscal  year.   Due  to  a 
procurement  protest,  two  of  the  six  sites  will  not  receive 
the  AUR  systems  until  FY  1994.   When  IRS  developed  the 
implementation  schedule  for  TSM  projects,  we  assumed  that  we 
would  get  optimum  funding  needed  to  rollout  new  systems. 
The  following  five  projects  had  modifications  to  their 
schedules  due  to  underfunding: 

•  Automated  Criminal  Investigation 

•  Counsel  Automated  System  Environment 

•  Servicewide  Electronic  Research  Project 

•  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System 

•  Integrated  Collection  System 

These  projects  are  part  of  the  Integrated  Case  Processing 
project,  described  below. 

c.  Are  any  interim  systems  falling  so  far  behind  schedule 
that  IRS  will  reassess  the  need  for  these  systems?  If 
so,  which  systems? 

IRS  has  already  completed  the  process  of  re-evaluating  the 
roles  of  the  interim  projects.   Based  on  the  evaluation,  the 
Integrated  Case  Processing  (ICP)  Project  was  established. 
The  mission  of  the  this  effort  is  to  develop  information 
systems  support  for  all  of  our  case  processing  activities 
regardless  of  the  functional  nature  of  the  case  work  being 
performed. 

As  part  of  this  effort,  officials  responsible  for  the 
Totally  Integrated  Examination  System  (TIES) ,  Integrated 
Collection  System  (ICS) ,  Corporate  Files  On-Line  (CFOL) , 
Automated  Inventory  Control  System  (AICS) ,  Case  Processing 
System  (CPS) ,  Servicewide  Electronic  Research  Project  (SERP) 
and  Automated  Underreporter  (AUR)  will  report  to  the 
executive  responsible  for  integrating  all  case  processing. 
The  Counsel  Automated  Systems  Environment  (CASE)  also  has 
interface  requirements  with  Integrated  Case  Processing.   The 
Automated  Criminal  Investigation  (ACI)  project  will  receive 
program  and  funding  oversight  from  this  executive.   This 
will  provide  for  more  efficient  use  of  resources  and 
standardization  among  all  projects. 

Development  of  interim  systems  will  be  frozen  with  a  portion 
of  their ' resources  redirected  to  developing  ICP.   These 


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frozen  initiatives  will  be  rolled  out  to  locations  beyond 
their  planned  prototype  locations  only  if  the  business  case 
justifies  it  and  sufficient  resources  exist.   Any  future 
roll-outs  will  occur  at  the  same  locations  to  minimize  the 
cost  of  software  development,  telecommunications,  facilities 
and  site  support.   Using  the  ICP  approach,  capabilities  can 
be  delivered  to  the  end  user  earlier  than  originally 
projected  at  a  lower  total  cost. 

In  1991.  testifying  before  this  Subcommittee.  Commissioner 
Goldberg  stated: 

a.  In  fiscal  year  1993  the  CFOL  (Corporate  Files  On-Line) 
system  would  be  fully  operational.   Is  it? 

CFOL  will  be  fully  operational  at  the  end  of  this  fiscal 
year. 

b.  That  in  1994  the  CHEXS  (Check  Handling  Enhancements  and 
Expert  Systems)  and  SCRIPS  (the  Service  Center 
Recognition  Image  Processing)  systems  would  be  fully 
operational?   Are  these  systems  still  on  schedule? 

CHEXS  was  a  procurement  to  provide  equipment  used  to  process 
paper  checks.   IRS  has  made  a  business  decision  to  move 
paper  check  handling  to  third  party  payment  processors  and 
therefore,  the  CHEXS  procurement  has  been  canceled.   As  a 
result,  IRS  employees  will  perform  fewer  manual  labor- 
intensive  activities  associated  with  receiving,  validating, 
balancing  and  depositing  payments  from  taxpayers.   IRS  has 
adopted  Electronic  Funds  Transfer  (EFT)  as  the  preferred 
method  for  the  receipt  of  tax  payments.   All  payments  not 
converted  to  EFT  will  be  considered  exception  processing  and 
will  be  processed  by  a  third  party  payment  processor. 

The  SCRIPS  contract,  awarded  on  February  8,  1993,  will  allow 
IRS  to  acquire  character  recognition  and  image  systems. 
SCRIPS  will  be  pilot  tested  in  1994  at  the  Cincinnati 
Service  Center.   Pending  completion  of  this  system 
certification  in  Cincinnati,  SCRIPS  will  be  fully 
operational  by  June  1994. 

c.  That  the  Automated  Underreporter  system  would  be 
implemented  nationwide  in  fiscal  year  1993.   Is  this  on 
schedule? 

We  will  fully  implement  Automated  Underreporter  at  Ogden  and 
three  additional  service  centers  during  FY  1993.   The 
remaining  two  sites  will  receive  the  Automated  Underreporter 
system  in  Fi'  \9'^iA  . 


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d.  That  the  AICS  (Automated  Inventory  Control  Systems)  and 
ICS  (Integrated  Collection  Systems)  would  be 
implemented  nationwide  in  fiscal  year  1994.   Will  they? 

These  projects  are  part  of  the  Integrated  Case  Processing 
(TCP)  project.   Development  of  these  interim  systems  will  be 
frozen  with  a  portion  of  their  resources  redirected  to 
developing  Integrated  Case  Processing.   These  frozen 
initiatives  will  be  rolled  out  to  locations  beyond  their 
planned  prototype  locations  only  if  the  business  case 
justifies  it  and  sufficient  resources  exist.   Any  future 
rollouts  will  occur  at  the  same  locations  to  minimize  the 
cost  of  software  development,  telecommunications,  facilities 
and  site  support. 

e.  That  in  fiscal  year  1995  the  Examination  Automation 
System  would  be  implemented.   Will  it? 

The  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System  (TIES) ,  a  major 
component  of  the  Examination  Automation  project,  is  now  part 
of  the  Integrated  Case  Processing  Integrated  Case  Processing 
project.   Development  of  this  interim  system  will  be  frozen 
with  a  portion  of  their  resources  redirected  to  developing 
Integrated  Case  Processing.   TIES  will  be  rolled  out  to 
locations  beyond  its  planned  prototype  location  only  if  the 
business  case  justifies  it  and  sufficient  resources  exist. 
Any  future  rollout  will  occur  at  Integrated  Case  Processing 
locations  to  minimize  the  cost  of  software  development, 
telecommunications,  facilities  and  site  support. 

f .  That  by  fiscal  year  1995  the  Service  Center  Support 
System  (to  replace  mainframe  computers  in  the  service 
centers)  would  be  completed.   Will  it? 

Yes,  we  expect  to  award  the  Service  Center  Support  System 
contract  in  FY  1995. 

19 .   Will  these  organizational  changes  affect  the  design  of  TSM? 
By  what  date  should  the  Subcommittee  expect  IRS  to  have 
finalized  its  plans  for  organizational  change? 

Results  of  the  organization  studies  indicate  that  the  new 
business  requirements  can  be  satisfied  within  the  existing 
TSM  framework.   The  studies  were  not  constrained  by  previous 
plans,  but  early  results  have  shown  that  the  Systems 
Architecture  and  components  of  the  Design  Master  Plan  (DMP) 
are  valid.   The  Systems  Architecture  will  be  refined 
somewhat  and  the  relative  size  and  priority  of  some  projects 
depicted  in  the  DMP  will  be  modified  to  accommodate  the 
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In  addition,  TSM  acquisition  vehicles  have  been  carefully 
scrutinized  by  the  study  group  and  found  to  be  flexible 
enough  to  accommodate  change  brought  about  by  the  revised 
business  strategy.   The  flexibility  is  reflected  in  the 
original  range  of  requirements  and  will  not  entail  extensive 
post  award  modifications. 

We  are  engaged  in  extensive  discussions  with  the 
Administration  to  solicit  their  ideas  about  our 
organization.   We  should  be  in  a  position  to  share  our 
approaches  and  secure  the  advice  and  help  of  this 
Subcommittee  in  the  near  future. 

Next  year  at  this  time — when  the  IRS  budget  proposals  are 
submitted — how  can  the  Congress  assess  how  well  IRS  has 
progressed  in  implementing  TSM? 

a.  What  are  the  10  most  important  accomplishments  you 
expect  to  have  made  by  this  time  next  year? 

By  this  time  next  year,  we  will  have: 

•  Fully  implemented  Automated  Underreporter  in  the 
Ogden  Service  Center  and  five  additional  sites. 

•  Fully  implemented  Corporate  Files  On-Line,  including 
business  master  file  information. 

•  Expanded  nationwide,  on  a  voluntary  basis,  the  test 
of  TAXLINK,  electronic  filing  of  federal  tax 
deposits. 

•  Awarded  the  Service  Center  Support 
System/Telecommunications  Acquisition  contract. 

•  Awarded  the  Document  Processing  System  contract. 

•  Awarded  the  Corporate  Systems  Modernization/Mirror 
Image  Acquisition  contract. 

•  Implemented  Integrated  Case  Processing  in  the  first 
locations. 

•  Expanded  TeleFile  to  seven  states. 

•  Expanded  joint  Federal/State  filing  to  15  states. 

•  Provided  your  Subcommittee  with  more  detail  of  the 
concept  resulting  from  our  business  studies. 

b.  What  improvements  in  taxpayer  service  can  we  expect  to 
see  by  this  time  next  year?   By  1995? 


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The  attached  charts  depict  an  overview  of  the  key 
capabilities,  projects  which  provide  those  capabilities  and 
the  timeframe  in  which  the  capability  will  be  available  to 
IRS  and  our  customers.   We  would  be  happy  to  work  with  your 
staff  to  develop  additional  materials  which  may  assist  your 
Subcommittee  in  monitoring  our  Tax  Systems  Modernization 
effort. 

21.   How  will  TSM  affect  the  operations  of  the  10  IRS  Service 
centers? 

a.    Will  the  IRS  still  use  the  "pipeline"  for  processing 
tax  returns?   If  not,  how  will  returns  processing 
operate? 

Our  labor-intensive  "pipeline"  will  be  modernized  to  process 
returns  more  accurately  and  efficiently.   The  Document 
Processing  System  (DPS)  will  convert  incoming  paper  to 
electronically-stored  images,  and  permit  us  to  store, 
compile  and  update  information  electronically  with  instant 
access  by  authorized  employees.   We  currently  input  tax 
return  information  manually  and  less  than  40  percent  of 
return  information  is  captured.   Through  DPS  and  additional 
changes  in  the  way  we  do  business,  we  intend  to  capture  and 
make  available  through  automated  systems  100  percent  of  the 
data  provided  by  taxpayers.   DPS  offers  a  cost  effective 
solution  to  our  current  paper  storage  and  retrieval  problem. 
Taxpayer  benefits  of  DPS  include  faster  refunds,  more  timely 
responses  to  inquiries  and  fewer  erroneous  notices.   Labor 
savings,  generated  by  eliminating  paper  handling  throughout 
the  entire  tax  processing  system,  could  be  reapplied  to 
revenue  producing  jobs  such  as  examination  and  collection  or 
be  used  to  provide  a  higher  level  of  customer  service. 

The  Document  Processing  System  will  handle  paper  coming  into 
IRS,  however  our  goal  is  to  substantially  reduce  the  volume 
of  paper  by  receiving  information  electronically.   In 
addition  to  expanding  the  electronic  filing  of  tax  returns, 
the  Electronic  Management  System  (EMS)  will  serve  as  the 
point  of  electronic  communications  from  the  external 
business  community.   This  system  will  ultimately  be  capable 
of  receiving  information  from  the  individual  taxpayers  and 
the  public  in  general. 

Electronic  Management  System  will  send,  receive,  control  and 
secure  electronic  data  that  is  transmitted  to  the  IRS  such 
as  tax  return,  currency  transaction,  payer  and  employer 
information.   In  addition,  IRS  employees  will  have 
information  they  need  on-line  and  accessible  through  their 
computer  system  instead  of  having  to  wait  for  tape  delivery, 
data  input,  or  the  delivery  of  information  on  paper. 
Electronic  Management  System  will  also  be  capable  of 


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supplying  certain  types  of  account  and  reference  data  to 
taxpayers  and  practitioners  on-line  in  a  "read  only"  basis. 
This  will  enable  individuals  to  ascertain  the  status  of 
their  accounts  without  assistance  from  an  IRS  employee. 

b.  When  TSM  is  fully  implemented,  will  IRS  still  need  10 
service  centers;  63  district  offices;  and  7  regional 
offices? 

The  organization  studies  have  led  us  to  rethink  the 
functions  of  our  current  operating  components.   Final 
decisions  concerning  the  number  and  location  of  new 
organizational  components  will  be  made  after  further 
consideration  of  the  study  recommendations  and  other 
mitigating  factors. 

c.  Currently,  there  are  115.000  IRS  employees.   How  many 
of  these  jobs  will  be  eliminated  by  TSM? 

TSM  is  expected  to  be  fully  implemented  in  2001  and  by  that 
time  our  workload  will  have  increased  by  almost  20%  over  the 
current  level.   We  anticipate  that  TSM  could  allow  IRS  to 
conduct  business  in  the  year  2000  with  adjusted  staffing 
levels  reflective  of  the  benefits  of  TSM  with  no  decrease  in 
customer  service  or  audit  coverage. 

d.  Will  TSM  enable  the  IRS  to  conduct  more  corporate 
audits  and  audits  of  high-income  taxpayers?   If  so, 
how? 

The  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System  (TIES)  includes 
software  capability  for  the  examination  of  both  corporations 
and  individuals,  regardless  of  income  level.   TSM  equipment 
in  conjunction  with  this  software  provides  the  technology  to 
conduct  all  examinations  more  efficiently.   The  Compliance 
Research  and  Information  System  (CRIS)  will  provide  market 
segment  analysis  to  classify  tax  returns  by  specific  groups, 
channelling  examination  activity  to  the  areas  of  greatest 
non-compliance.   Benefits  are  projected  assuming  that  the 
same  level  of  productivity  will  be  maintained  using  fewer 
staff  years.   These  benefits  are  then  translated  into  staff 
year  reductions.   Reinvestment  of  these  staff  years  would 
increase  examination  coverage. 

e.  How  will  TSM  affect  IRS's  ability  to  answer  taxpayers' 
^  questions  and  resolve  taxpayer  inquiries? 

In  the  TSM  environment  information  will  be  retrieved, 
delivered  and  used  electronically  through  an  enhanced 
nationwide  telecommunications  network,  and  on  automated 
workstations  where  authorized  employees  have  on-line  access 
to  current  and  complete  taxpayer  account  information.   This 


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capability  will  allow  IRS  to  resolve  taxpayer  inquiries 
during  the  first  contact.   In  addition,  TSM  projects,  such 
as  the  Telephone  Routing  Interactive  System  (TRIS)  and 
Automated  Inventory  Control  Systems  (AICS)  will  assist  us  in 
better  serving  our  customers. 

Telephone  Routing  Interactive  System  (TRIS)  supports  the 
concept  of  one-stop  customer  service  in  the  taxpayer 
assistance  area  and  other  areas  that  use  the  phone  to 
communicate  with  taxpayers.   TRIS  will  provide  an  automated 
routing  system  that  permits  callers  to  direct  themselves  to 
the  appropriate  source  of  assistance.   The  assistor  will 
have  on-line  access  to  taxpayer  account  data,  allowing  them 
to  resolve  the  customer's  issue  during  the  first  contact. 

Also,  TRIS  will  enable  some  taxpayer  inquiries  to  be 
resolved  by  the  system  without  an  IRS  employee  intervening. 
With  the  introduction  of  an  automated  routing  system,  there 
will  be  less  need  to  manually  route  incoming  calls  and 
employees  can  spend  more  time  providing  more  substantive 
assistance.   In  addition,  the  IRS  can  provide  more 
assistance  without  increasing  the  number  of  assistors 
proportionately . 

Through  the  Automated  Inventory  Control  System,  now  being 
piloted  at  our  Fresno  Service  Center,  we  are  able  to  control 
correspondence  for  the  first  time  by  assigning  a  unique 
number  to  each  piece  of  taxpayer  correspondence  so  that  the 
status  can  be  monitored  and  the  issue  resolved  timely.   This 
eliminates  the  common  burden  of  having  taxpayers  write 
numerous  letters  to  resolve  an  issue  with  their  account. 
Since  all  correspondence  from  a  particular  taxpayer  can  be 
associated  and  timely  routed  to  the  appropriate  IRS  function 
for  action,  we  do  not  waste  our  resources  or  annoy  taxpayers 
by  sending  multiple  letters  on  the  same  issue. 

f .  IRS's  testimony  stated  that  the  result  of  TSM  will  be 
improved  voluntary  compliance.   How  is  TSM  going  to 
improve  voluntary  compliance?   Will  TSM  affect  the  tax 
gap?   How? 

g.  How  will  TSM  affect  the  inventory  of  accounts 
receivable? 

We  believe  that  information  processing  improvements  enabled 
by  TSM,  in  conjunction  with  education  and  outreach  --  two 
components  of  our  Compliance  2000  program  --  have  enormous 
potential  for  reducing  accounts  receivable  and  closing  the 
tax  gap. 

Our  experience  indicates  that  taxpayers  are  more  inclined 
and  able  to  comply  with  tax  obligations  voluntarily  when 


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promptly  contacted  about  an  issue;  TSM  will  provide  the 
technology  needed  to  do  that.   Also,  accurate  account 
information,  available  to  employees  sooner,  will  reduce  the 
number  of  erroneous  accounts. 

How  many  individuals  filed  paper  returns  in  1993  (tax  year 
1992)?   How  many  individuals  do  you  expect  to  file  paper 
returns  in  1994  and  1995  that  will  be  manually  processed  ? 

Through  April  30,  1993,  approximately  94  million  individuals 
filed  paper  returns.   We  anticipate  that  approximately  108 
million  individuals  will  file  paper  returns  in  1994  and 
approximately  107  million  in  1995. 

a.  How  many  returns  were  electronically  filed  in  1993  ftax 
year  1992)?   How  many  returns  do  you  predict  will  be 
filed  electronically  in  1994  and  1995? 

Through  April  30,  1993,  approximately  13.7  million  returns 
were  filed  electronically.   We  anticipate  that  16  million 
returns  will  be  filed  electronically  in  1994  and  20  million 
returns  will  be  filed  electronically  in  1995. 

b.  Did  electronic  filing  levels  for  1993  meet  IRS ' s 
original  projections?   If  not,  why? 

IRS'  projection  of  14  million  electronically  filed  returns 
was  not  met  in  1993.   The  change  in  withholding  in  tax  year 
1992  reduced  the  refund  returns  volumes  significantly. 
Although  we  encourage  all  individuals  to  file 
electronically,  most  taxpayers  who  have  elected  to  file 
electronically  have  been  due  a  refund.   The  system  does 
accept  balance  due  returns  and  we  encourage  the  use  of 
electronic  filing  for  those  taxpayers  as  well  and  refund 
filers. 

c.  How  much  in  savings  have  been  realized  due  to 
electronic  filing?   How  have  these  savings  been 
realized? 

The  real  savings  in  electronic  filing  for  both  IRS  and  the 
taxpayer  is  in  the  improved  quality,  not  just  the  lower 
processing  costs.   ELF  returns  cost  between  75  cents  and 
$1.75  to  process  compared  with  $3.28  for  paper  1040A/EZ  and 
$4.28  for  paper  1040  returns.   However,  the  error  rate — 
mistakes  by  the  taxpayer  and  IRS — run  17%  on  paper  returns 
and  2%  on  ELF  returns.   This  differential  translates  into 
thousands  fewer  notices  to  taxpayers  which  require  their 
time  and  attention  to  answer.   Thus  the  fewer  notices 
required  for  ELF  returns  means  substantial  savings  for  IRS. 


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d.  By  this  year  2001,  what  percentage  of  individual  tax 
returns  will  be  paper?   What  percentage  of  individual 
returns  will  be  filed  electronically?   What  percentage 
will  be  filed  by  other  methods?   Will  taxpayers  be  able 
to  prepare  and  file  tax  returns  from  home  computers? 

We  estimate  that  in  year  2001,  approximately  51.1  percent  of 
individual  returns  will  be  paper  returns;  42.3  percent  will 
be  electronically  filed  and  6.6  percent  will  be  filed  using 
Telef ile. 

The  biggest  problem  with  allowing  taxpayers  to  file  from 
their  home  computers  is  the  speed  of  data  transmission. 
Most  home  computers  use  1200  baud  modems  which  are  slow 
compared  to  professional  firms  which  can  send  returns  to  us 
in  volume  at  high  rates  of  speed. 

IRS  is,  however,  looking  at  alternative  ways  of  filing  to 
give  taxpayers  the  benefit  of  speed  without  the  costs. 
Telefile  will  be  one  alternative  now  being  tested  for  simple 
returns.   Also  taxpayers  can  use  home  computers  to  complete 
their  returns  using  the  1040PC  program  which  speeds 
processing  time.   Many  1040PC  computer  programs  include  a 
direct  deposit  option  which  gets  the  taxpayer's  refund 
sooner.   And  we  are  studying  the  feasibility  of  individual 
electronic  filing  via  home  computer.   This  may  be  an 
alternative  for  taxpayers  in  the  near  future. 

e.  How  does  IRS  plan  to  increase  the  market  for  electronic 
filing?   Do  you  have  any  plans  for  the  Government  to 
offer  free  electronic  filing  services  to  taxpayers? 

IRS  is  devising  detailed  action  plans  to  reach  various 
market  segments  including  small  volume  preparers,  older 
Americans,  employers,  financial  service  providers,  and  on- 
line communication  services.   In  addition,  the  IRS  has 
expanded  conferences  and  exhibitions  to  seven  locations 
throughout  the  country  to  draw  more  local  attendance.   The 
seminar  topics  included  in  the  conferences  have  been 
broadened  to  attract  practitioners  who  are  not  currently 
electronic  filers.   Once  at  the  conferences,  all  attendees 
will  get  exposure  to  electronic  filing. 

The  Service  is  also  planning  to  expand  Telefile  to  seven 
states  for  the  1994  filing  season.   Telefile  will  permit 
1040EZ  filers  in  those  seven  states  to  file  their  return 
using  their  touchtone  telephones.  We  also  hope  to  expand  the 
availability  of  electronic  filing  at  district  offices 
through  Taxpayer  Service's  Walk-in  Assistance  program. 


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f .    How  does  IRS  expect  to  encourage  taxpayers  to 

electronically  file  documents  other  than  returns  (e.g.. 
Forms  1099  and  W-2 ) ? 

Forms  W-2,  Wage  and  Tax  Statement,  are  processed  by  the 
Social  Security  Administration.   The  Internal  Revenue 
Service  has  had  a  method  for  payers  to  file  information 
returns  electronically  for  several  years.   The  Martinsburg 
Computing  Center  has  the  Information  Reporting  Bulletin 
Board  System  (IRPBBS)  available  to  payers  who  want  to  file 
by  electronic  means.   In  the  current  processing  year, 
Martinsburg  received  seven  million  such  returns. 

The  Executive  Director  of  the  Information  Reporting  Program 
has  established  a  goal  of  70  million  information  returns  to 
be  filed  electronically  in  1994.  This  goal  was  announced  at 
the  Information  Reporting  Program  Advisory  Committee  (IRPAC) 
meeting  held  on  May  19  and  20.  IRS  is  actively  working  with 
the  payor  community  and  internal  stakeholders  to  attain  this 
goal . 

IRS  also  participated  with  the  Social  Security 
Administration's  Government/Industry  Forum  on  Electronic 
Wage  &  Tax  filing  on  June  8.   Representatives  from  the 
business  community,  states  and  other  government  agencies 
discussed  how  to  work  together  to  achieve  more  growth  in  the 
electronic  filing  of  wage  and  tax  information. 

A  major  part  of  TSM  is  the  Electronic  Management  System, 
which  will  introduce  Electronic  Data  Interchange  (EDI)  as  a 
method  of  electronically  filing  information  returns  in  1996. 

How  has  electronic  filing  created  new  opportunities  for 
fraud?   What  resources  has  IRS  allocated  resources  for  this 
problem?   How  many  phony  electronic  returns  have  you  seen  in 
1993? 

False  claims  for  refunds  are  filed  electronically,  just  as 
they  have  been  filed  on  paper  for  years.   The  difference  is 
that  the  speed  of  our  processing  makes  it  important  that  we 
move  quickly  to  identify  the  schemes.   Electronic  filing 
fraud  is  serious  even  though  it  represents  a  small  part  of 
total  ELF  filing.   At  the  end  of  February  1993,  9.2  million 
ELF  returns  had  been  filed  and  we  had  detected  1,635 
fraudulent  returns.   Another  1,311  fake  paper  returns  had 
been  found  also.   The  important  point  is  that  we  caught  them 
early.   These  false  returns  claimed  a  total  of  $9  million  in 
refunds  ($4.1  million  on  ELF  returns)  and  we  stopped  $8.7 
million  ($3.7  million  or  91%  on  ELF).   The  other  $300,000  is 
being  investigated. 


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In  the  past  three  years  (1990-1992) ,  the  IRS  has  received 
and  processed  more  than  23  million  electronically  filed 
returns.   The  total  number  of  fraudulent  ELF  returns 
identified  in  the  past  three  years  is  18,882. 

There  are  several  steps  we  have  taken  to  stop  ELF  fraud. 
The  Questionable  Refund  Detection  Team  (QRDT)  screening  has 
been  tightened.   Fraudulent  returns  are  most  likely  to  be 
filed  by  first-time  filers,  claiming  EIC  and/or  fuel  tax 
credit,  showing  only  Schedule  C  income  or  with  homemade  W-2s 
attached.   The  Department  of  Justice  is  aggressively 
prosecuting  these  cases  and  major  electronic  filers  have 
been  asked  to  participate. 

There  has  been  an  increase  in  Criminal  Investigation 
staffing  dedicated  to  the  Questionable  Refund  Program.   IRS 
has  increased  staffing  to  address  return  fraud  through  our 
QRDT  for  both  paper  and  ELF  returns.   This  year  we  are 
devoting  10%  of  our  CI  staffing  to  Questionable  Refund 
Detection  Team  (QRDT) .   This  is  up  from  about  five  percent 
in  1992. 

Over  the  past  three  years  there  have  been  470  convictions 
and  425  sentences  of  which  291  were  imprisonments  due  to 
electronic  filing  fraud. 

2  4 .   In  testimony  before  the  Subcommittee,  IRS  stated  that  it  has 
adopted  Electronic  Funds  Transfer  (EFT)  as  the  preferred 
method  for  the  receipt  of  tax  payments.   IRS  also  stated 
that  of  the  $1.3  trillion  in  payments  IRS  receives  and 
deposits  annually,  only  three  billion  dollars  is  through 
electronic  funds  transfer.   How  do  you  plan  to  increase  the 
use  of  electronic  funds  transfer? 

The  Service  plans  to  increase  the  use  of  electronic  funds 
transfer  for  payment  of  Federal  tax  by  the  development  and 
implementation  of  comprehensive  network.   This  effort, 
sponsored  by  Treasury  and  worked  jointly  by  the  Internal 
Revenue  and  Financial  Management  Services,  is  well  under 
way. 

A  prototype  system,  TAXLINK,  has  been  in  operation  in  the 
Atlanta  Service  Center  since  June  1992.   TAXLINK,  which  is  a 
component  of  the  IRS'  overall  modernization  effort,  is 
currently  accepting  voluntary  participants  in  the  states  of 
South  Carolina,  Florida,  and  Georgia.   To  date, 
approximately  10,000  transactions  for  a  total  of  $250 
million  has  been  received  through  TAXLINK.   These  payments 
have  all  been  for  Federal  tax  deposits,  predominately 
employment  taxes. 


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An  evaluation  is  being  performed  on  the  prototype.   There 
are  two  phases  of  the  evaluation:   an  internal  review  will 
examine  how  effective  the  Service  was  in  applying  credits  to 
the  taxpayer  accounts  and  the  costs  associated  with 
operating  the  system;   the  second  phase  is  an  analysis  on 
how  well  the  system  addressed  the  taxpayers'  needs,  the 
effectiveness  of  the  movement  of  money  into  Treasury's 
account,  and  marketing  issues. 

The  prototype  will  be  modified  as  appropriate  and  a  pilot 
implemented  in  January  1994.   This  phase  will  continue  with 
Federal  tax  deposits,  but  will  be  offered  to  business 
taxpayers  throughout  the  country  on  an  optional  basis. 
Based  on  the  results  of  the  prototype  and  pilot  we  will 
develop  a  plan  to  encourage  wider  use  of  electronic  funds 
transfers. 

2  5 .   The  National  Research  Council  says  that  TSM  must  proceed  in 
order  to  prevent  a  major  breakdown  of  the  nation's  tax 
svstem.   When  do  we  have  to  worry  about  a  major  breakdown? 

Last  year,  your  Subcommittee  supported  funding  for  mainframe 
computers  which  allowed  us  to  replace  the  antiquated 
mainframes  in  our  service  centers.   These  mainframes  have 
alleviated  concerns  over  a  major  breakdown  and  will  allow  us 
to  more  smoothly  transition  to  a  new  way  of  doing  business. 
However,  our  current  systems  architecture  is  really  out  of 
vintage  and  places  constraints  on  fully  realizing  the 
Service's  goals  of  reducing  taxpayer  burden,  increasing 
compliance  and  quality-driven  productivity  and  customer 
satisfaction.   We  can  achieve  these  goals  only  by  fully 
leveraging  the  technology  TSM  provides. 


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Chairman  PiCKLE.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Dolan,  for  a  very — I  was 
going  to  sav  exhausting,  but  an  extensive  discussion  of  your  aims 
and  your  plans,  and  I  think  it  is  a  recognition  of  some  of  the  prob- 
lems we  have  and  the  goals  you  hope  to  achieve. 

Your  statement  is  very  complete.  We  will  be  submitting  you 
other  questions  as  a  follow-through  to  this  hearing,  specifically  in 
relation  to  the  testimony  that  you  have  just  given,  some  of  wnich 
may  not  be  covered  this  morning.  But  we  do  appreciate  it. 

IKS  was  scheduled  to  receive  about  $150  million  under  the  stim- 
ulus package  based  on  testimony  you  had  given  to  our  committee 
and  the  Senate.  Now,  that  program  was  killed.  Have  you  made  any 
plans  beyond  this  now,  or  d!o  you  have  any  other  suggestions  or  rec- 
ommendations to  make?  Because  you  don't  have  the  equipment  you 
hoped  you  could  have  purchased? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Well,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think,  as  you  may  recall, 
about  $40  million  of  the  $148  million  that  we  had  built  in  the  stim- 
ulus was  directly  related  to  tax  systems  modernization.  It  was 
going  to  allow  us  to  advance  the  ball  in  some  key  areas. 

We  are  now  not  going  to  be  able  to  accelerate  those  paths,  and 
we  will  have  to  do  them  in  the  original  timeframe  scheduled. 

There  are  a  couple  of  key  areas  where  we  really  do  regret  the  ab- 
sence of  the  stimulus  package.  One  is  in  the  area  I  mentioned 
briefly.  We  were  going  to  be  able  to  purchase  some  automated  call 
distributors  and  automated  routing  units  that  cumulatively  would 
have  allowed  us  to  get  to  almost  1.2  million  more  callers  trying  to 
get  to  our  system  by  virtue  of  being  able  to  apply  that  technology. 
We  could  have  done  that  in  the  next  filing  season,  and  that  would 
have  had  a  material  benefit  for  us. 

Two  other  keys  areas:  Our  budget  is  built  on  the  premise  that 
we  would  achieve  a  $20  million  productivity  savings  around  two  of 
those  initiatives.  One  was  what  we  call  the  automated  workload 
management  system,  and  another  was  by  getting  the  last  6,000 
laptops  to  our  revenue  agents.  Inasmuch  as  both  of  those  died  in 
the  stimulus  package,  we  find  ourselves  in  a  little  precarious  posi- 
tion of  having  a  budget  now  that  assumes  we  can  achieve  55  mil- 
lion dollars'  worth  of  new  productivity  in  1994,  when,  in  fact,  $20 
million  of  that  was  predicated  on  getting  those  two  component 
pieces.  So  we  have  a  little  bit  of  dislocation  there,  and  we  are  going 
to  figure  out  how  to  deal  with  that. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Now,  I  am  going  to  ask  you  some 
questions  specifically  in  the  area  of  transfer  pricing.  Other  mem- 
bers may  also  approach  their  questions  on  some  particular  item  of 
interest  to  them  that  you  have  just  testified  on.  But  let  me  ask  you 
a  few  questions  about  transfer  pricing. 

The  administration  has  proposed  to  encourage  corporations  to 
keep  contemporaneous  records  of  how  they  arrive  at  their  transfer 
prices.  You  made  that  as  a  recommendation  under  section  6662(e), 
the  imderstatement  penalty. 

Now,  do  you  have  that  program  in  effect  now? 

Mr.  Dolan.  The  proposed  regulatory  change? 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  The  proposed  regulations  under  6662  that 
would  require  keeping  contemporaneous  records. 

Mr.  Dolan.  That  regulatory  regime  is  currently  in  place,  yes. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Well,  how  is  it  working? 


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Mr.  DOLAN.  If  vou  don't  mind,  let  me  pass  this  one  off  to  Mr. 
Blattner  and  ask  nim  to  make  a  few  comments  in  this  general  area 
of  recordkeeping. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Mr.  Blattner. 

Mr.  Blattner.  We  are  getting  better  records  today  to  establish 
an  appropriate  arm's-length  price.  In  1992,  a  significant  part  of  the 
$15  billion  that  we  recommended  in  our  large  case  program,  our 
CEP  program,  resulted  from  pricing  adjustments. 

We  are  working  with  the  Commissioner's  advisory  group  to  get 
assistance  in  how  to  secure  better  third-party  data  to  determine 
the  appropriate  price. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Do  you  have  that  under  way? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  misspoke.  They  are  still  at  the  pro- 
posed stage.  They  have  not  been  finalized.  I  misspoke  when  I  told 
you  they  are  in 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  am  concerned  that  you  have  that  as  a  goal. 
I  think  it  is  a  good  approach.  As  I  understand  it  now,  foreign  cor- 
porations just  do  not  keep  any  records  of  how  they  arrived  at  their 
particular  transfer  price.  If  they  are  audited,  they  would  go  back 
and  say  we  will  have  a  discussion  and  we  will  discuss  with  you  and 
IRS  about  how  to  settle  it,  but  nobody  keeps  contemporaneous 
records  or  very  little,  and  so  the  information  is  never  known  until 
after  an  audit  has  been  ordered. 

Now,  is  it  your  intent  to  see  that  major  corporations  do  keep  con- 
temporaneous records?  Is  that  going  to  be  across  the  board,  Mr. 
Blattner? 

Mr.  Blattner.  Mr.  Chairman,  if  I  might,  that  is  the  thrust  of  the 
regulatory  regime  that  has  been  proposed.  It  is  an  attempt  to  pro- 
vide incentives  through  contemporaneous  recordkeeping  and  then 
to  use  the  penalties  as  a  way  of  further  reinforcing  it. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Mr.  Blattner,  we  understood  you  submitted  to 
us  some  documentation  of  how  you  would  go  about  this,  and  we 
looked  it  over  and  said,  well,  if  you  use  this  particular  form,  a 
number  of  the  corporations  are  going  to  be  exempt,  and  so  we  have 
suggested  some  changes.  Have  you  made  those  changes?  Do  you 
have  the  form  in  place  now?  Is  it  going  to  be  effective? 

Mr.  Blattner.  The  hearing  on  6662(e)  is  scheduled  for  May  14. 

Chairman  Pickle.  May  of  this  year? 

Mr.  Bij^ttner.  Of  this  year. 

Chairman  Pickle.  If  it  is  going  to  be  in  May  of  this  year,  we 
have  got  a  legislative  proposal  tor  across-the-board  contempora- 
neous records  that  is  not  in  effect,  is  that  correct. 

Mr.  DoiAN.  Mr.  Chairman,  that  is  what  I  said.  The  regulations 
are  proposed  regulations.  The  May  14  hearing  is  a  hearing  on  the 
proposed  regulations;  consequently,  they  are  not  in  effect  today. 
They  do  not  govern  conduct  of  taxpayers  today. 

Chairman  Pickle.  But  isn't  it  true  that  regulations  on  record- 
keeping only  applied  to  "other  transfer"  pricing  methods?  Isn't  that 
true? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  It  applies  only  to  the  larger  taxpayers,  yes. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  it  would  seem  to  me  in  this  area,  not 
being  detailed  or  technical,  that  we  have  a  lot  of  unanswered  ques- 
tions with  respect  to  transfer  pricing.  The  public  does  not  really 
know  how  much  tax  we  are  losing.  We  talk  about  it  and  we  have 


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for  2  years.  We  have  given  you  between  100  and  150  new  examin- 
ers in  this  field  specifically.  So  my  first  question  is,  if  we  have 
given  you  examiners,  you  don't  really  get  to  the  heart  of  this  thing 
until  you  put  into  effect  contemporaneous  recordkeeping.  Is  that 
basically  correct? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  I  think  that  is  going  to  be  a  very  key  piece  of  it.  I 
think  what  that  does  is 

Chairman  Pickle.  Well,  we  will  expect  you  to  put  that  into  effect 
and  put  it  into  effect  now  and  keep  close  coordination  with  our 
committee,  because  we  think  we  need  to  know. 

The  public  is  saying  are  we  are  really  losing  a  lot  of  money  out 
here  from  the  U.S.  standpoint.  Now,  I  notice  that  you  are  going  to 
spend  $30  million  in  1994,  but  you  say,  according  to  your  testi- 
mony, that  you  are  going  to  raise  only  $50  million  from  the  initia- 
tive over  5  years.  Now,  why  is  the  revenue  estimate  for  this  trans- 
fer pricing  initiative  so  low? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  think,  Mr.  Chairman,  it  is  a  combination  of  a  cou- 
ple of  things.  One  is  the  Service  making  conservative  estimates.  I 
think  the  other  thing  is  that  if  you  look  at  it  over  the  life  of  those 
resources,  it  is  a  $148  million  return.  I  think  more  importantly,  if 
you  look  at  it  as  a  marginal  investment,  the  point  Mr.  Blattner  was 
making  before,  the  transfer  pricing  return  in  the  large  case  area 
is,  on  average,  that  $5  billion  a  year  of  those  large  case  adjust- 
ments are  transfer  pricing  adjustments. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Mr.  Dolan,  let  me  just  review  for  you — I  don't 
want  to  dwell  on  this,  but  I  am  going  to  dwell  on  it  for  a  while. 

Mr.  Dolan.  OK. 

Chairman  Pickle.  You  have  estimated  in  your  testimony  that  if 
we  had  this  extra  money,  we  are  giving  you  $30  million  more  and 
you  are  going  to  spend  tnat,  and  you  said  in  5  years  we  will  collect 
$50  million  more.  Now,  this  committee  has  made  an  estimate  over 
2  years  ago  that  we  may  be  losing  up  to  $20  billion  annually.  We 
took  whatever  yardstick  we  could  to  try  to  arrive  at  what  we 
thought  was  as  reasonable  figure. 

We  never  can  get  an  answer  from  the  IRS  on  exactly  how  much 
you  think  is  bemg  lost.  A  previous  Commissioner  said  it  will 
amount  to  several  billion  dollars.  We  did  get  a  previous  Commis- 
sion, Mrs.  Peterson,  and  she  estimated  it  might  be  as  much  as  $3 
billion  lost.  Now,  whether  it  is  $3  billion  or  whether  it  is  $20  billion 
remains  to  be  seen,  but  it  could  be  sizable.  Yet,  you  are  going  to 
take  $30  million  and  tell  me  in  your  testimony  that  you  are  going 
to  get  $50  million  more. 

Now,  what  is  the  sum  that  is  probably  being  lost?  Can  you  give 
me  an  estimate? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Mr.  Chairmati,  I  am  afraid  I  am  going  to  frustrate 
you  like  others,  in  terms  of  not  being  able  to  give  you  a  precise 
number.  I  would  come  behind  that,  though,  to  tell  you  that  as  we 
sit  before  you  this  year,  we  know  much  more  about  the 
underpinnings  of  that  number  than  we  did  when  we  sat  before  you 
last  year. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  hope  that  is  true.  Now,  I  understand  from 
phone  calls  we  made  to  the  IRS  that  in  1989,  you  collected  some- 
thing like  $6  billion-plus  from  foreign-controlled  corporations.  In 
1990,  IRS  collected  from  the  foreign  corporations  about  $8  billion 


169 

in  income  taxes.  Now,  that  would  be  an  increase  of  about  $1.5  bil- 
lion or  more.  If  those  figures  are  correct,  does  that  indicate  that 
you  are  putting  more  emphasis  on  this  matter?  Will  that  amount 
increase? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  would  certainly  expect  that  it  would,  Mr.  Chair- 
man. I  think  it  is  a  reflection  of  the  additional  staff  that  this  sub- 
committee has  helped  us  secure.  I  think  it  is  also  a  reflection  of  us 
getting  better  at  investigating  a  very  fact-intensive,  complicated 
process  in  the  transfer  pricing  area. 

Mr.  Blattner.  Mr.  Chairman,  if  I  could  just  add  to  that.  In  July 
of  1990,  we  had  1,100  cases  under  audit  that  were  foreign-con- 
trolled corporations.  In  1991,  that  number  grew  to  1,500.  In  1992, 
it  was  2,500.  So  over  the  last  2  years  we  have  more  than  doubled 
our  commitment  to  the  number  of  cases  that  we  are  working  of  for- 
eign controlled  corporations. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Let  me  conclude.  Those  figures  are  interesting 
and  I  am  glad  to  have  them  and  I  am  glad  to  know  it.  I  think  we 
have  got  to  put  emphasis  on  this  and  try  to  find  out  what  are  the 
facts.  We  have  given  you  the  personnel,  as  many  as  you  have  asked 
for.  In  one  instance,  I  think  last  year,  you  didn't  ask  for  any  more 
examiners.  We  keep  being  told  you  are  outgunned  and  you  are 
outmanned,  and  I  think  the  public  wants  to  know  what  we  are  los- 
ing in  terms  of  revenue. 

Similarly,  what  are  we  doing  with  respect  to  American  compa- 
nies doing  business  overseas.  But  it  has  to  work  both  ways.  Now, 
the  problem  may  be  more  magnified,  because  there  are  more  Amer- 
ican corporations  doing  business  overseas  than  there  are  foreign 
corporations  doing  business  here. 

When  you  look  at  the  figures  of  the  adjustments  proposed  by  the 
IRS,  it  is  rather  shocking  to  know  that  U.S.  corporations  are  doing 
a  lot  of  things  that  may  be  the  same  things  that  we  are  accusing 
foreign  companies  of  doing.  But  it  isn't  enough,  Mr.  Blattner,  just 
to  acknowledge  that.  The  question  is  what  snould  our  companies 
and  what  should  foreign  companies  be  paying  to  the  Government. 
I  don't  think  anybody  on  this  committee  wants  to  play  any  kind  of 
a  technical  game.  We  want  to  know  what  are  the  figures. 

I  am  going  to  yield  right  now  to  Mr.  Houghton.  I  want  you  to 
submit  to  the  committee  some  information  about  how  you  are  using 
advance  pricing  agreements,  what  have  you  done,  and  how  can  you 
do  more  to  arrive  at  these  advance  pricing  agreements. 

[The  following  was  subsequently  received:] 


170 


USES  OF  APAs 

The  IRS  developed  the  Advance  Pricing  Agreement  (APA) 
process  with  the  issuance  of  Revenue  Procedure  91-22  in  March  1991.    An  APA 
is  a  prospective  agreement  between  the  taxpayer  and  the  Service  that  a  particular 
transfer  pricing  method  when  applied  to  the  taxpayer's  operations  will  determine 
compliance  with  the  arm's  length  standard  of  IRC  section  482.    If  a  treaty 
country  is  involved,  IRS  will  generally  seek  a  mutual  agreement.    This  process  is 
designed  to  arrive  at  an  understanding  with  the  IRS  on  three  basic  issues:    1.) 
the  factual  nature  of  the  intercompany  transactions  to  which  the  APA  applies,  2.) 
an  appropriate  transfer  pricing  methodology  to  apply  to  those  transactions,  and 
3.)    the  expected  arm's  length  range  of  results  from  applying  the  transfer  pricing 
methodology  to  the  transactions. 

Currently,  IRS  has  approximately  45  taxpayers  in  the  APA  program,  at 
various  stages  of  development,  involving  operations  in  16  foreign  countries. 
Fifteen  of  these  requests  are  substantially  complete.    Further,  36  additional 
taxpayers  actively  considering  participation  in  the  program,  and  have  held  very 
preliminary  discussions  with  the  Service. 

In  terms  of  improving  the  program,  the  Service  has  undertaken  several 
initiatives  for  that  purpose.    Included  among  these  are: 

0  coordinating  with  outside  stakeholders  and  professional  groups  to 

improve  the  APA  process; 

0  providing  recommendations  to  enhance  the  program's  multifunctional 

management  between  Counsel  and  other  Service  functions; 

0  participating  in  a  Commissioner's  Advisory  Group  task  force  on 

developing  pricing  information; 

o  developing  revenue  rulings  using  past  experience  gained  from  the 

APA  process;  and 

0  incorporating  field  guidance  on  the  APA  process  into  the  internal 

Revenue  Manual. 


171 

Chairman  Pickle.  Let  me  now  yield  to  Mr.  Houghton,  Mr. 
Houghton, 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Maybe  you  can  help  me  out  on  the  arithmetic.  Let  me  tell  you 
specifically  what  I  mean.  The  figures  seem  a  little  out  of  balance. 
You  are  asking  for  $284  million  more  in  fiscal  1994  than  you  are 
in  1993.  Yet,  at  the  same  time  that  you  asked  in  the  last  testimony 
for  $148,4  million  in  the  stimulus  package.  It  just  seems  a  little  out 
of  sorts  that  the  stimulus  package  off-budget,  dire  emergency 
would  not  somehow  be  included.  I  can  understand  if  you  had  put 
$10  or  $15  million  or  something,  but  to  put  50  percent  of  your  in- 
crease into  the  stimulus  package  seems  a  little  strange. 

Also,  while  you  are  doing  that — and  you  have  been  asked  this 
question  before — you  are  taking  money  out  of  things  like  tax  sys- 
tem modernization,  which  is  probably  the  highest  increase  of  any 
that  you  have  in  your  whole  budget,  and  you  are  transferring  this 
to  the  White  House. 

Here  you  get  approximately  $300  million,  which  is  your  increase, 
but  way  off-budget  here  you  get  about  $150  million.  It  just  seems 
out  of  sorts.  Then  while  you  are  doing  that,  you  are  taking  some 
money  and  transferring  it  over  to  the  White  House,  because,  in  ef- 
fect, you  don't  need  it.  So  maybe  you  can  help  me  on  those  figures. 

Mr.  DOLAN.  I  will  try  to  help  you.  Let  me  start  with  the  first 
point.  The  $148  million  and  the  $284  million  are  different  num- 
bers. Most  of  the  $148  million  in  the  stimulus  package  did  not 
make  its  way  into  the  increase  that  we  have  asked  for  in  1994. 
They  are  things  that  need  to  be  done,  but  are  not  before  this  sub- 
committee by  way  of  requests  for  increase  in  1994.  They  are  things 
that  carried  with  them  individual  paybacks. 

Mr.  Houghton.  If  I  could  interrupt,  maybe  I  missed  it,  it  was 
in  your  testimony  that  you  were  saying  that  this  budget  was  en- 
tirely inadequate  that  you  were  looking  at. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  That  the  budget  is  entirely  inadequate? 

Mr.  Houghton.  Yes. 

Mr.  Doian.  I  was  not  saying  that,  nor  am  I  saying  that  today. 

Mr.  Houghton.  In  effect,  by  the  insertion  of  $150  million  in  the 
stimulus  package,  clearly  there  was  an  inadequacy  there  which 
was  a  different  order  of  magnitude  than  anything  I  would  have 
normally  thought  of 

Mr.  DoivVN.  Well,  whether  you  call  it  an  inadequacy,  Mr.  Hough- 
ton, or  whether  you  look  at  it  in  terms  of  its  potential,  we  would 
have  replaced  some  very  old  minicomputers  in  our  field  office,  got- 
ten the  benefit  of  a  much  higher  computer  power,  saved  $7  million 
a  year  in  maintenance  costs  on  some  stuff  that  is  breaking  down 
around  us.  /.  i      • 

Now,  that  was  the  criticality  of  it.  We  would,  by  virtue  of  buving 
those  automated  call  distributors  I  talked  about,  get  to  1,2  million 
of  our  customers  who  are  trying  to  get  to  us  and  concerned  they 
cannot  get  to  us.  Those  6,000  laptops  would  have  put  more  power 
in  the  hands  of  the  revenue  agents,  some  of  whom  are  doing  these 
large  case  and  international  examinations.  They  were  all  very  ma- 
terial opportunities  for  the  IRS  to  do  better  had  we  achieved  that 
stimulus. 


172 

If  I  could  go  to  your  second  point,  unless  you  want  to  stay  with 
this  point  on  the  $7  million 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  will  come  back  to  it. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  In  terms  of  our  understanding  of  it,  apparently 
somewhere  in  the  last  couple  of  weeks  there  was  a  characterization 
of  the  money  that  came  from  the  IRS  that  may  have  confused 
some.  The  $7  million  that  is  a  part  of  the  rescission  proposal  to 
which  you  refer  comes  out  of  three  IRS  appropriations,  but  it  comes 
out  of  the  rent  accounts  in  those  three  appropriations.  It  was  iden- 
tified as  potential  rent  surplus.  It  was  and  is  rent  surplus.  It  does 
not  come  out  of  the  acquiring  of  hardware,  of  software,  of  any  of 
the  technical  support  in  the 

Mr.  Houghton.  If  I  could  just  interrupt,  Mr.  Dolan,  I  don't  want 
to  make  a  big  deal  of  this,  because  in  terms  of  the  magnitude  of 
your  budget,  $7.4  billion  is  not  a  big  item,  but  to  me  that  really 
doesn't  hold  an  awful  lot  of  water,  because  if  you  can  transfer  IRS 
tax  law  enforcement  into  Executive  Office  of  the  President  and  Spe- 
cial Assistant  to  the  President,  tax  system  modernization  to  the 
White  House  Office  of  Administration,  it  clearly  doesn't  make  any 
difference  whether  it  is  rent  or  pencils  or  salaries  or  something  like 
that. 

Let  me  get  back  to  the  bigger  issue.  Are  you  saying,  in  effect, 
that  your  budget  increase  really  should  be  $450  million? 

Mr.  Dolan.  I  am  saying,  I  think  like  any  other  agency  that  sits 
before  you,  that  there  are  a  number  of  additional  initiatives  that 
we  could  accomplish  beyond  the  boundaries  of  any  budget.  Yet  we 
work  in  a  system  in  which  policy  choices  and  application  of  funds 
choices  are  made.  So  yes,  we  could  use  the  $148  million  associated 
with  the  stimulus  package. 

Mr.  Houghton.  You  see,  what  I  am  trying  to  get  at,  if  I  could 
just  take  another  minute,  Mr.  Chairman 

Chairman  Pickle.  Yes. 

Mr.  Houghton.  The  point  I  am  trying  to  get  at  is  here  we  are 
caught  between  the  horns  of  a  dilemma.  Here  you  want  to  modern- 
ize, you  want  to  have  good  people,  you  want  to  absorb  the  new 
things.  Yet,  at  the  same  time  you  have  the  pressure  on  the  costs. 
What  really  are  you  looking  atf  Because  this  is  not  a  1-year  propo- 
sition. What  are  you  looking  at? 

For  example,  if  we  ever  go  to  something  like  a  value-added  tax 
or  some  of  these  other  proposals  that  the  President  has  made,  I  be- 
lieve that  the  burden  on  your  system  is  going  to  be  extraordinary. 
What  are  you  really  talking  about?  Are  you  able  to  absorb  some  of 
these  new  things  within  your  cost  structure  by  your  modernization 
programs?  Are  you  going  to  be  looking  at  very  significant  increases 
over  these  next  few  years,  if  some  of  these  tax  proposals  take  ef- 
fect? 

Mr.  Dolan.  At  the  risk  of  overgeneralizing,  Mr.  Houghton,  I 
think  what  the  tax  systems  modernization  investments  do  for  us  is 
create  flexibility  in  our  system  that  will  allow  us  to  absorb  and 
react  to  a  variety  of  tax  law  and  other  policy  changes.  Absent  that 
investment,  though,  we  would  push  the  envelope  in  terms  of  trying 
to  make  today's  system  be  responsive  to  some  of  the  proposals  that 
are  out  there  on  the  landscape. 


173 

Mr.  Houghton.  Just  one  other  question.  In  terms  of  your  tax  in- 
formation category,  the  tax  system  modernization  goes  up  dramati- 
cally and  the  other  three  areas  go  down,  processing,  service  compli- 
ance and  enforcement  program  support.  I  am  assuming  that  is  just 
a  recategorization. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  In  large  part,  it  is.  As  I  mentioned,  a  good  part  of 
the  nonrecurring  costs  come  out  of  the  information  systems  budget. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Houghton. 

I  am  going  to  go  ahead  and  recognize  Mr.  Jefferson  now. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  am  trying  to  follow  the  request  figures  and  the  ones  the  Inter- 
nal Revenue  Service  ended  up  with.  It  seems  that  you  asked  for  a 
20-percent  increase  or  $1.4  billion,  roughly,  in  funding  for  1994, 
and  the  budget  that  you  have  now  is  $1.3  billion  and  7,400  posi- 
tions less  than  you  originally  requested. 

Are  you  going  to  have  sufficient  resources  to  do  the  job  you  have 
been  asked  to  do  with  this  sort  of  difference  in  what  you  requested 
and  what  you  ended  up  now  settling  for? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  We  believe,  Mr.  Jefferson,  we  can  do  a  very  substan- 
tial job,  yes.  The  resources  in  this  budget  allow  us  to  do  the  job  cor- 
rectly. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  What  would  the  20  percent  be  used  for  and  how 
would  it  have  added  to  your  ability  to  ao  the  job,  or  was  it  unneces- 
sary to  begin  with? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Again,  as  I  mentioned  earlier,  there  is  always  a 
question  of  choice  of  where  you  make  your  investments.  We  nave 
a  variety  of  ways,  particularly  in  the  compliance  initiative  area, 
that  we  would  have  been  able  to  apply  staffing,  and  we  would  have 
applied  greater  complements  of  staffing  in  each  of  those  11  areas 
to  try  to  get  the  balance  that  we  think  we  achieve  in  that  initiative 
package  that  is  before  you.  That  is  principally  where  we  would 
nave  made  those  investments. 

There  are  some  other  places  in  our  support  categories  where  we 
have  been  lean  for  years,  and  we  would  have  tried  to  bolster  our- 
selves in  those  areas. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Well,  how  much  additional  revenue  might  you 
have  raised  for  the  Government  this  year,  if  you  had  gotten  the  re- 
quest that  you  asked  for,  that  you  aren't  going  to  be  able  to  do 
now? 

Mr.  DoiAN.  I  am  not  sure  I  can  give  that  to  you  now.  Of  course, 
I  would  be  happy  to  furnish  that  to  you  in  terms  of  the  attachment 
to  the  original  proposal. 

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175 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Is  it  true  that  the  cost  of  collecting  $100  now  by 
the  Internal  Revenue  Service  runs  62  cents?  Is  that  right? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  Well,  I  notice  with  interest  in  the  chairman's  invita- 
tion to  this  hearing  that  he  used  that  number,  and  I  am  assuming 
that  is  using  the  gross  budget  against  $1.2  trillion,  and  if  you  did 
that,  you  would  coipie  out  to  60  to  61  cents.  Mr.  Houghton  might 
see  this  differently  as  an  accountant.  I  think  I  might  take  my  $717 
million  of  capital  investment  out  of  that  equation,  and  if  I  did  that, 
that  takes  about  5  or  6  cents  off  of  that  equation.  But  we  are  in 
that  55-  to  60-cent  category,  yes. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Does  this  represent  the  cost  going  up  or  down 
or  stabilizing  or  what? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  I  think,  depending  upon  your  timeline,  if  you  go 
back,  as  I  think  the  chairman  did  in  his  announcement,  I  don't  re- 
member the  precise  figure,  but  he  showed  a  comparison  which 
would  have  had  a  cost  increase  from  40  to  60  cents.  I  don't  have 
that  right  in  front  of  me,  but  it  would  represent  a  cost  increase. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  The  fiscal  year  1994  budget  proposal  includes 
$19.6  million  to  help  IRS  implement  tax  law  changes,  but  does  not 
provide  any  additional  staff.  Will  the  Internal  Revenue  Service 
have  sufficient  resources  to  implement  new  tax  legislation  that  is 
now  being  proposed  by  the  administration? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  The  short  answer  is  yes,  because  we  will  make  it  a 
priority  by  virtue  of  the  reality  of  what  a  new  tax  act  is.  It  becomes 
a  priority  work  item.  We  will  clearly  have  to  prioritize  our  already 
applied  staff  in  order  to  do  the  kind  of  job  we  will  have  to  do  on 
a  new  law. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Will  you  have  to  forgo  doing  something  else,  if 
you  move  this  to  the  front  burner? 

Mr.  DoiAN.  In  the  early  days,  Mr.  Jefferson,  the  principal  activ- 
ity of  the  IRS  will  be  providing  the  kind  of  advice  that  we  are  nor- 
mally asked  for,  both  from  Hill  staff,  committee  members  and  with- 
in the  administration  in  trying  to  insure  that  the  law  is  admin- 
istrablc.  We  will  then  spend  time  trying  to  be  sure  that  we  are  pre- 
pared to  handle  the  first  returns,  handle  the  first  set  of  regulations 
that  might  have  to  be  promulgated  under  it.  And  then  3  and  4 
years  out,  you  will  begin  to  see  the  new  issues  appear  on  tax  re- 
turns that  get  filed  for  presumably  tax  year  1993  and  later. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Will  you  have  to  rewrite  computer  programs  and 
revise  forms  and  publications  and  write  new  regulations? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Yes,  we  will. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  This  has  got  to  be  a  lot  of  additional  work  on 
the 

Mr.  DoLAN.  It  is,  but  I  will  tell  vou  that  it  is  one  of  those  senses 
of  deja  vu,  we  have  been  here  before.  There  was  a  point  at  which 
we  used  to  have  a  pithy  little  saying  about  how  many  times  the 
code  had  changed  in  the  last  10  years,  and  it  seems  like  every  year 
we  are  in  some  form  of  preparation  to  implement  a  new  piece  of 
tax  legislation. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Let  me  ask  a  question  that  deals  with  this  new 
tax  legislation.  Let's  talk  about  the  Btu  tax  for  just  a  minute,  if  we 
can.  Do  you  foresee  any  problems  with  the  enforceability  of  the  Btu 
tax? 


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Mr.  DOLAN.  I  have  to  say  you  candidly  at  this  point,  Mr.  Jeffer- 
son, I  am  not  enough  informed  on  the  ultimate  character  of  that 
tax  to  be  able  to  give  you  a  reliable  answer. 

Mr.  Jefferson,  That  sort  of  nips  my  second  question,  which  was 
to  get  more  specific  about  that  and  ask  you  whether,  if  we  collect 
the  tax  on  oil  at  the  terminal  rack  and  gas  at  the  burner  tip,  will 
it  make  collectibility  easier? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  will  observe,  Mr.  Jefferson,  that  in  the  work  we 
have  done  in  both  diesel  fuel  and  gasoline,  we  have  consistently 
found  that  the  higher  up  the  chain  you  are  able  to  do  the  trans- 
action, the  easier  it  is  for  us  to  administer. 

Now,  that  is  a  gross  generalization  and  I  would  say  to  you  that 
we  have  had  fewer  problems  at  the  terminal  rack  than  we  have  if 
you  move  down  those  sort  of  recordkeeping  events  lower  in  the 
scheme.  So  as  a  general  proposition,  that  would  be  the  IRS's  obser- 
vation on  administrability, 

Mr  Jefferson.  So  if  we  are  trying  to  collect  as  much  money  as 
we  can  from  this  Btu  tax  with  as  Rttle  slippage  as  possible,  the 
best  thing  for  the  committee  to  do  is  to  move  the  collection  point 
to  the  point  of  the  consumer? 

Mr,  DoLAN,  Well,  my  observations  go  beyond  collecting  an 
amount  of  money.  You  really  get  into  some  recordkeeping  burden, 
you  really  get  into  the  fact  that  some  folks  who  have  schemes  in 
the  current  system  are  there  in  ways  that  the  more  times  you  can 
touch  this  thing,  the  more  likelihood  there  is  for  scheming.  So  it 
is  a  money  issue,  but  it  is  also  just  a  question  of  how  you  can  easily 
administer  something. 

Mr.  Brand.  Mr.  Jefferson,  if  I  might,  back  to  the  issue  of  imple- 
mentation of  any  tax  law  change  as  far  as  1994  is  concerned,  there 
is  a  placeholder  in  the  budget  of  about  $21  million  that  the  Presi- 
dent and  0MB  have  submitted  which  is  basically  in  the  area  of 
service  and  supplies,  the  types  of  money  that  we  would  draw  on  for 
a  portion  of  the  implementation  process.  Then,  of  course,  depending 
on  how  the  law  might  change,  we  would  then  go  through  and  cost 
the  implementation  of  that  and  determine  whether  that  is 
implementable  within  that  placeholder,  or  whether  we  would  need 
to  request  through  Treasury  some  supplemental  appropriation  or 
something.  But  there  is  a  placeholder  that  is  there. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  The  last  question  I  have,  Mr,  Chairman,  is  relat- 
ed to  the  TSM  project.  What  evidence  does  the  Internal  Revenue 
Service  have  to  support  the  apparent  contention  that  productivity 
savings  will  actually  be  realized  if  we  make  this  huge  investment 
in  tax  system  modernization? 

Mr.  Dolan.  If  you  don't  mind,  Mr.  Jefferson,  I  would  like  to  ask 
Hank  Philcox  to  give  you  the  answer  on  that. 

Mr.  Philcox.  Mr.  Jefferson,  one  of  the  things  that  we  do  with 
each  of  the  projects  that  we  implement  is  go  through  a  very  exten- 
sive business  case  analysis  and  a  certification  of  the  system  before 
it  goes  on  line.  We  test  each  of  the  implementations  in  both  a  pro- 
totype and  a  pilot  environment  small-scale  before  we  implement  it 
nationwide.  So  by  the  time  we  are  ready  to  implement  a  system, 
we  have  a  fairly  good  idea  of  what  kind  of  productivity  improve- 
ment that  system  should  get  for  us,  and  that  is  the  basis  on  which 
we  have  costed  these  productivity  improvements. 


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Mr.  Jefferson.  I  don't  have  any  further  questions,  Mr.  Chair- 
man. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Jefferson. 

The  Chair  now  recognizes  Mr.  Brewster. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Dolan,  I  followed  with  interest  my  colleague's  question  here 
concerning  the  62  cents  collection  point  now,  and  I  looked  back  in 
1972  and  it  was  52  cents,  and  then  in  1982  it  dropped  all  the  way 
down  to  42  cents,  and  now  we  are  at  62.  What  is  causing  the  dras- 
tic increase  in  cost  for  IRS? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Well,  I  ^ess  I  might  start  with  the  observation  that 
that  is  still  not  a  bad  mvestment,  even  if  you  take  the  full  62  cents 
on  a  $100  return.  But  I  would  also  say  that  I  think  the  62  cents 
is  inflated  by  at  least  5  to  6  cents,  that  that  represents  the  extraor- 
dinary capital  investment  associated  with  tax  systems  moderniza- 
tion. 

And  then  I  come  back  behind  that  and  say  that  I  think  the  world 
is  a  lot  more  complicated  in  1993  than  it  was  in  1982,  and  given 
the  combination  of  the  multiplier  effect  of  Tax  Code  changes  that 
have  occurred  and,  quite  frankly,  the  range  of  businesses  that  the 
IRS  has  been  invited  into  and  expected  to  perform  effectively,  there 
has  been  quite  an  expansion  in  that  period  of  time. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  notice  the  number  of  employees  has  just  about 
doubled  in  that  length  of  time,  while  it  is  obvious  the  population 
of  the  Nation  has  not  doubled  in  20  years.  Is  the  range  of  business 
greater  than  IRS  should  be  in? 

Mr.  Doi^AN.  From  my  perspective,  I  think  we  are  in  businesses 
that  are  related  to  one  another.  I  think  we  are  in  businesses  that 
we  are  capable  of  performing  effectively,  and  I  think  we  do  our 
darnedest  to  get  the  kind  of  return  on  those  businesses  that  make 
folks  like  this  Oversight  Subcommittee  believe  it  is  the  right  in- 
vestment. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  am  having  a  difficult  time  believing  that  at  the 
moment.  When  you  look  at  the  reduction  of  52  to  42,  if  you  could 
give  me  something  in  writing  on  that  as  to  the  reasons  why  it  de- 
clined. The  cost  of  collection  declined  for  10  years,  and  1  would 
have  to  assume  that  was  due  to  computerization  and  better  meth- 
ods of  recordkeeping,  and  all  of  a  sudden  it  increased  dramatically 
from  1982  to  1992. 

On  another  question,  what  would  be  the  six  major  TSM  accom- 
plishments we  could  expect  to  see  at  the  end  of  fiscal  year  1993 
and  fiscal  year  1994?  When  you  come  back  here  next  year,  what 
should  we  be  able  to  see  from  TSM? 

Mr.  DoivVN.  That  is  a  fair  question.  Hank? 

Mr.  Philcox.  Mr.  Brewster,  during  1993,  I  think  we  can  look  for- 
ward to  an  expansion  of  electronic  filing.  We  will  receive  oyer  12 
million  returns,  and  along  with  that  have  implemented  additional 
fraud  detection  capabilities. 

We  will  also  be  expanding  or  will  have  expanded  to  8  additional 
States,  so  we  will  have  a  total  of  15  States  that  we  will  be  cooper- 
ating with  in  a  joint  electronic  filing  environment.  Our  automated 
underreporter  program  will  be  implemented  in  3  additional  service 
centers.  That  is  going  to  provide  productivity  benefits  in  that  pro- 
gram that  you  had  asked  about  earlier. 


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We  will  be  fully  implementing  our  corporate  files  on-line  project. 
That  will  provide  information  to  our  caseworkers  that  they  have 
never  had  before,  extensive  amounts  of  information  that  will  allow 
them  to  work  cases  and  deal  with  taxpayers  at  first  point  of  con- 
tact. They  have  never  been  able  to  do  that  before. 

Those  things,  along  with  the  fact  that  we  will  have  by  the  end 
of  1993  already  have  awarded  two  major  contracts,  one  for  a  feder- 
ally funded  research  and  development  center,  and  the  other  for  our 
SCfRIPS  contract  in  1993. 

Did  you  ask  for  1994,  as  well,  sir? 

Mr.  Brewster.  Yes,  in  fiscal  year  1994. 

Mr.  Philcox.  In  1994,  we  move  into  fully  implementing  that 
SCRIPS  contract.  We  will  have  the  pilot  in  our  Cincinnati  Service 
Center  in  November,  and  then  begin  implementing  additional  sites 
in  June  of  1994.  We  will  also  be  expanding  our  TAXLINK  project 
down  in  Atlanta.  That  is  the  electronic  of  "EDI"  connection  with 
the  payers  of  withholding,  so  they  no  longer  have  to  file  with  paper, 
they  can  file  electronically  through  their  oanking  institutions.  That 
is  going  to  be  expanded  nationwide  on  a  voluntary  basis. 

We  will  be  also  awarding  three  other  major  contracts  in  1994, 
one  for  a  document  processing  system  which  will  be  piloted  in  our 
Austin  Service  Center.  Mr.  Chairman,  you  have  been  made  aware 
of  that  and  briefed  on  it.  Also,  our  corporate  systems  moderniza- 
tion/mirror image  acquisition  contract  and  another  contract  for  our 
telecommunications  environment  will  be  awarded  in  1994. 

Finally,  we  will  also  be  implementing  the  first  of  our  integrated 
case  processing  applications.  I  believe  that  there  is  about  $82  mil- 
lion in  the  1994  budget  that  will  allow  us  to  do  that.  The  money 
in  that  1994  budget  will  also  allow  us  to  further  expand  our  telefile 
filing  initiative,  which  we  have  piloted  in  the  State  of  Ohio.  We  will 
spread  that  out  to  7  States,  based  on  the  positive  evaluation  of 
1992  and  1993.  It  will  also  allow  us  to  further  expand  our  Federal- 
State  electronic  filing  capability.  So  those  are  some  of  the  things 
we  will  accomplish  by  the  end  of  1994  with  the  budget  that  we  are 
looking  at  for  that  year. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  note,  too,  with  some  interest  that  you  are  ask- 
ing for  a  staffing  increase  of  6,681  positions.  Is  that  correct? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  am  not  sure  where  that  is  coming  from,  Mr.  Brew- 
ster. 

Mr.  Brewster.  What  are  you  asking  for  in  staffing  increase? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  It  is  792  positions  for  fiscal  year  1994. 

Mr.  Brewster.  791? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  792. 

Mr.  Brewster.  792.  So  you  have  gone  from  68,000  employees  in 
1972  to  115,000  now,  right? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Correct. 

Mr.  Brewster.  At  a  time  when  computerization  is  increasing, 
most  industries  are  downsizing  the  number  of  employees  and  it 
looks  rather  unusual  to  me,  with  the  increase  in  personnel. 

I  also  note  that  there  is  about  $90  million  left  over  unspent  fi-om 
the  1990  fiscal  year.  Is  that  correct? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  think  what  I  may  have  done,  Mr.  Brewster,  is 
touched  on  that  point  before  you  came  in.  The  answer  is  yes,  there 
is  $90  million.  I  pointed  out  two  driving  reasons  for  that.  One  was 


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the  request  from  the  Congress  that  $97  million  of  our  1992  alloca- 
tion not  be  spent  until  the  last  day  of  the  fiscal  year,  which  made 
it  difficult  to  do  intelligently,  and  so  some  of  that  moved  over. 

The  other  is  because  of  choices  we  are  making  today  to  be  able 
to  achieve  still  further  efficiency  by  not  going  to  10  service  centers 
to  replicate  today's  computers.  Because  we  will  be  able  to  do,  as  a 
result  of  the  tecnnology  in  4  or  5  centers,  what  we  used  to  have 
to  do  in  10,  we  have  neld  back  on  doing  site  preparation  that  at 
one  point  we  expected  we  would  have  to  do  across  all  10.  So  that 
is  captive  in  that  $90  million  that  is  still  there,  as  well. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  note,  too,  that  you  had  $148  milHon  in  the  stim- 
ulus package,  and  yet  I  don't  see  where  that  is  in  the  current  budg- 
et request.  Is  that  correct? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  You  are  correct,  it  is  not  in  our  current  budget  re- 
quest. 

Mr.  Brewster.  If  that  was  so  important  in  the  other,  why  is  it 
not  in  the  budget  request? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Again,  as  I  tried  to  explain  earlier,  in  this  process 
there  were  a  number  of  things  that  we  thought  we  could  achieve 
in  1994,  and  in  the  process  of  making  judgments  about  relative  pri- 
orities, those  things  did  not  find  their  way  into  our  budget. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  would  like  for  you  to  give  me  some  information, 
though,  as  to  the  circumstances  concerning  the  decrease  in  cost  of 
collection  from  1972  to  1992  of  10  cents,  from  52  to  42,  and  now 
an  increase  of  20  cents  from  1992  currently. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  would  be  happy  to  do  that. 

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COST  TO  COLLECT  $100 

Clearly,  if  you  consider  all  costs  associated  with  doing 
business,  the  bottom  line  numbers  over  the  last  several  years 
have  shown  more  of  an  increase  than  in  the  earlier  years. 
Since  1990,  however,  the  major  factor  causing  this  growth  has 
been  the  capital  investment  costs  of  modernizing  the  tax 
system.  When  you  discount  for  the  cost  of  making  these 
capital  investments,  the  IRS  cost  to  collect  $100  has  been 
essentially  constant.  In  fact,  if  you  remove  the  growth  in 
our  Information  Systems  budget  since  1990,  the  projected  cost 
for  collecting  $100  in  FY  1994  is  still  $.48  —  the  same  cost 
to  collect  $100  as  in  FY  1991.  When  you  add  the  growth  costs, 
however,  the  FY  1994  number  jumps  to  $.56  per  $100  collected. 

We  would  sound  one  cautionary  note  in  terms  of  putting  too 
much  emphasis  on  this  ratio  of  IRS  costs  to  Treasury  receipts. 
Naturally,  the  ratio  of  IRS  costs  to  Treasury  receipts  can 
shift  dramatically  if  there  is  a  significant  shift  in  receipts 
(for  example,  a  change  in  the  marginal  tax  rate) .  This  shift 
may  occur  independently  of  any  improvement  in  IRS 
effectiveness  or  efficiency.  In  that  case,  a  jump  in  receipts 
would  change  the  mathematical  formula  and  drop  —  artificially 
—  the  IRS  cost  to  collect  $100  even  though  there  has  been  no 
actual  reduction  in  the  IRS  cost  of  doing  business. 


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Mr.  Brewster.  Thank  you. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Brewster. 

Before  I  recognize  Mr.  Herger,  I  want  to  follow  through,  Mr. 
Dolan,  on  one  or  two  of  the  questions  I  didn't  get  satisfactory  an- 
swers to  with  respect  to  transfer  pricing.  I  want  you  to  tell  me  ex- 
actly how  you  would  spend  $30  million  in  the  next  5  years  and  only 
raise  approximately  50  million  dollars'  worth  of  funds.  Now,  you 
gave  me  an  answer  that  you  might  collect,  I  think  you  use  the  fig- 
ure of  $148  million.  How  did  you  arrive  at  $148  milHon?  Where 
does  that  come  in? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Mr.  Chairman,  let  me  start  at  the  beginning  on  the 
investment  versus  the  yield.  I  think,  as  you  know,  there  is  a  pro- 
jecting model  that  is  used  and  so  our  $50  million  is  a  result  of  the 
way  that  revenue  is  scored,  and  the  way  that  revenue  is  derived 
from  our  application  of  those  staff-years. 

I  personally  believe  that  there  is  a  yield  capability  well  beyond 
the  $50  million.  I  hope  it  is 

Chairman  Pickle.  The  testimony  says  $50  million. 

Mr.  Dolan.  Well,  that  is  because  of  the  projection  regime  we  use, 
Mr.  Chairman,  so  as  not  to  come  before  the  Congress  and  overstate 
the  yield  of  an  investment. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  The  previous  Commissioner  said  you  might  be 
losing  $3  to  $10  or  $15  bilHon.  Now,  vou  ask  for  $30  milHon  and 
you  said  but  we  are  not  going  to  raise  out  $50  million.  I  don't  want 
to  argue  the  point,  but  how  do  I  explain  that?  How  does  the  public 
understand  that? 

Mr.  Dolan.  I  guess  from  my  lights  there  may  be  two  different 
issues.  One  is,  I  don't  know  that  we  are  capable  in  one  budget  re- 
quest of  asking  for  enough  of  the  right  kind  of  things  to  make  the 
tax  gap  go  away  in  FCC's. 

I  would  say  to  you,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  a  couple  of  the  critical 
things  in  this  1994  package  have  to  do  with  laying  some  infrastruc- 
ture in  place  that  we  have  not  had  in  the  past.  We  will  hire  exper- 
tise that  we  don't  have  in  the  Internal  Revenue  Service  today.  We 
will  avail  ourselves  of  data  bases  that  we  don't  have  today. 

Chairman  Pickle.  We  have  already  given  you  150  new  examin- 
ers. You  sav  you  will  hire,  and  I  trust  that  you  will.  But  you  have 
already  had  some  extra  help  given  to  you  just  in  this  field. 

Mr.  Dolan.  That  is  correct. 

Chairman  PiCKi^.  I  just  don't  understand  the  method  you  use  in 
arriving  at  the  sum.  Now,  in  these  transfer  pricing  cases,  what  tax 
years  are  you  using  now  in  your  latest  survey  about  income?  How 
much  are  we  losing?  What  tax  years  are  you  taking? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Is  the  question  what  tax  years  are  under  examina- 
tion? 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Yes. 

Mr.  Blattner.  The  tax  years  that  are  under  examination  on 
foreign-  controlled  corporations  would  generally  be  1990  and  1991. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Now,  the  information  I  have  is  that  your  last 
figures  that  you  have  given  to  us,  you  used  the  audit  years  from 
1986  and  1987. 

Mr.  Dolan.  I  think,  Mr.  Chairman,  we  are  talking  about  two  dif- 
ferent things.  I  think  you  may  be  referring  to  the  last  TCMP  sam- 
ple, the  tax  years  involved  in  the  last  international  TCMP? 


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Chairman  Pickle.  I  am  assuming  it  was  the  tax  years  with  re- 
spect to  482  cases  and  that  you  have  used  the  years  1986  and  1987, 
that  period,  and  I  want  to  know  why  don't  you  use  now  the  years 
1990  and  1991,  current  years. 

Mr.  DOLAN.  Mr.  Chairman,  that  is  part  of  the  point  I  was  trying 
to  make  earher,  that  one 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  If  you  are  using  the  current  year,  are  you  tell- 
ing me  then  it  is  only  $50  million  out  of  3  years? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Let  me  see  if  I  can  avoid  confusing  you.  I  think  what 
Mr.  Blattner  says  is  that  we  are  examining  today  in  the  active 
audit  stream  tax  years  1990  and  1991  of  many  foreign  controlled 
corporations. 

Our  research  data,  the  last  data  upon  which  we  would  project 
general  trends,  would  be  earlier  than  that,  but  part  of  what  you 
are  buying  in  this  $30  million  investment  is  access  to  data  that  is 
even  more  real-time,  more  current  than  the  1990  and  1991  tax 
years. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  want  to  ask  that  you  specify  more  with  our 
committee,  so  we  do  have  an  understanding.  I  will  tell  you  what 
I  think  you  probably  ou^ht  to  do:  It  seems  to  me  like  you  ought 
to  take  5  or  10  of  the  major  corporations  in  the  United  States,  take 
the  years  1990  and  1991  or  1992  and  have  a  specific  examination 
ongoing  for  1,  2,  3  years,  and  say  that  we  want  to  have  a  report 
made  to  us,  not  this  broad,  not  questionable  about  the  explanation 
given  to  me  now. 

I  think  maybe  it  might  be  appropriate  for  our  committee  to  give 
the  recommendation  to  the  Appropriations  Committee  that  tney 
give  you  money  for  some  of  these  operations  contingent  upon  the 
completion  of  these  kinds  of  studies,  because  we  don  t  seem  to  get 
any  information.  We  don't  know  what  you  are  really  telling  us.  And 
I  think  we  will  make  that  recommendation  to  the  Appropriations 
Committee,  so  we  can  get  something  definite. 

We  know  what  the  facts  are,  we  think  just  as  well  as  you  do  or 
as  a  well  as  GAO,  but  we  don't  seem  to  get  anything  done  about 
it.  You  seem  to  be  going  backwards,  instead  of  going  forward.  I 
think  the  facts  ought  to  oe  known  about  those  American  corpora- 
tions doing  business  overseas  and  foreign  corporations  doing  busi- 
ness here. 

So  my  question  to  you  now  is  who  at  IRS  is  in  charge  of  transfer 
pricing  cases? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  The  Assistant  Commissioner,  International,  Regina 
Deanenann  is 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Do  you  have  a  chairman  or  an  individual  who 
is  responsible  for  482  cases? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  We  do,  Mr.  Chairman,  and  I  think 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Who  is  that? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  It  is  a  gentleman  by  the  name  of  Joseph  Rosenthal, 
who  has  recently  been  hired  by  the  Assistant  Commissioner,  Inter- 
national. He  is  a  person  who  comes  to  his  job  having  experience  as 
a  lawyer  and  a  CPA.  He  has  worked  in  the  appeals  function,  and 
in  the  exam  function.  He  is  a  very  qualified  individual. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  We  will  get  better  acquainted  with  that  gen- 
tleman. 

The  Chair  now  wants  to  recognize  Mr.  Herger. 


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Mr.  Herger.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Dolan,  could  you  describe  what  your  plans  are  in  the  area 
of  motor  fuels  excise  tax  evasion?  I  notice  in  your  statement  where 
some  $2.5  million,  I  believe  25  employees  are  being  added.  Could 
you  go  over  that  with  me,  the  issue  very  quickly,  which  I  am  some- 
what aware  of,  and  just  what  your  current  plans  are  for  how  we 
are  going  to  utilize  these  people/ 

Mr.  Dolan.  It  actually  is  in  two  pieces.  One  is  the  civil  side  and 
the  other  is  the  criminal  side.  In  the  civil  arena,  we  are  building 
on  a  pattern  of  having  identified  both  in  the  gasoline  and  diesel 
fuel  area  a  series  of  returns  in  the  last  5  or  6  years  that  have  iden- 
tified some  trends,  some  of  which  we  will  continue  to  try  to  get  at 
in  the  examination  process. 

But  in  a  more  comprehensive  way,  what  we  are  trying  to  do  is 
work  with  States,  as  well  as  make  a  relatively  new  process,  an  ex- 
cise tax  registration  validation  system,  come  into  being  in  a  way 
that  we  will  not  have  to  essentially  spend  all  of  our  time  examining 
at  the  exempt  certificate  level.  So  we  are  trying  to  ratchet  up  some 
national  systems  that  will  allow  the  tracking  of  the  motor  fuel 
uses,  particularly  in  the  area  of  the  exempt  purchasers  to  not  be 
as  fact  and  examination  specific,  to  be  able  to  manage  that  on  a 
more  comprehensive  basis.  That  is  the  principal  civil  initiative, 
along  with  some  more  audits. 

On  the  criminal  investigation  side,  we  have  found  an  alarming 
involvement  of  organized  crime,  particularly  in  the  diesel  area.  So 
what  we  have  done  over  the  last  2  or  3  years  is  acquire  increasing 
sophistication  in  rooting  out  some  of  the  more  insidious  organized 
crime  involvement  in  diesel  evasion.  So  those  are  the  two  compo- 
nent pieces  of  that  initiative. 

Dave,  do  you  want  to  add  any  more  to  that? 

Mr.  Herger.  And  is  most  of  this  I  believe  in  the  area  of  diesel? 
Is  there  much  in  the  area  of  gasoline  that  is  a  problem,  or  is  it  pri- 
marily in  the  area  of  diesel? 

Mr.  Blattner.  Primarily  in  the  area  of  diesel.  We  are  also  work- 
ing with  one  State  and  the  Federal  Highway  Administration,  trying 
to  develop  a  system  where  we  can  trace  diesel  fuel  in  inventory 
through  the  distribution  process  in  that  State.  This  is  a  cooperative 
effort  where  we  believe  if  we  can  work  together  and  significantly 
improve  our  ability  to  track  the  diesel  fuel,  we  will  be  able  to  im- 
prove compliance  dramatically. 

Mr.  Herger.  Tracking,  does  that  have  something  to  do  with 
coloring  of  the  fuel?  Is  tnat  what  you  are  referring  to,  or  are  you 
referring  to  something  other  than  that? 

Mr.  Blattner.  We  are  not  coloring  it.  What  we  are  doing  is 
keeping  track  of  it  at  all  import  sites  and  then  following  the  fuel 
until  actual  consumption. 

Mr.  Dolan.  If  I  could  come  back  to  your  earher  question,  I  was 
just  handed  a  note  that  identified  that  60  percent  of  the  cases  we 
are  working  in  this  that  are  currently  in  inventory 

Mr.  Herger.  I  am  sorry? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Sixty  percent  of  our  current  fuel-related  cases  in  our 
criminal  area  do  deal  with  diesel.  Of  the  new  cases  that  are  being 
created,  about  80  percent  of  those  deal  with  diesel.  So  diesel  is  the 
predominant  area  of  our  criminal  attention  at  this  moment. 


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Mr.  Herger.  I  represent  a  major  agricultural  area  in  northern 
California,  and  this  is  certainly  an  issue.  I  know  there  has  been 
some  suggestions  in  the  past  of  putting  a  dye  in  the  fuel  which 
would  be  very,  very  costly  for  our  farmers.  Yet,  it  is  an  area  that 
we  need  to  address.  I  also  have  truckstops  along  the  way  that  feel 
there  is  a  fairly  major  percentage  of  business  that  they  are  losing 
that  is  going  to  this  area.  So  it  is  something  I  am  very  supportive 
of  you  addressing. 

I  notice  that  it  averages  about  $1  million  per  scheme  that  you 
have  uncovered.  While  I  am  interested  in  you  working  this  area, 
we  need  to  do  it  in  a  delicate  way  where  we  do  not  penalize  the 
vast  majority,  virtually  all  of  them  that  are  living  within  the  laws, 
and  we  not  make  life  tougher  for  them  and  more  expensive  to  do 
business. 

Mr.  DOLAN.  We  are  very  conscious  of  that.  I  think  that  is  part 
of  what  underlies  our  interest  in  dealing  with  the  more  insidious 
and  invidious  criminal  schemes.  The  people  who  lose  out  are  the 
folks  who  are  trying  to  play  the  game  tne  correct  way. 

Mr.  Herger.  Exactly.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  The  Chair  will  recognize  Mr.  Houghton  for  ad- 
ditional questions. 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  have  two  questions.  One  is  about  the  employee 
classification  issue,  you  know,  whether  somebody  is  classified  as  an 
individual  contractor  or  somebody  is  classified  as  an  employee  and 
the  tax  treatment  of  that.  You  are  spending  $30  million  or  approxi- 
mately that  in  trying  to  track  that  down.  What  do  you  expect  to 
get  out  of  this?  How  is  the  monev  going  to  be  used?  Where  are  we 
going  to  be  next  year  when  we  ask  this  question? 

Mr.  Blattner.  We  are  going  to  significantly  increase  the  number 
of  examinations  that  we  will  be  undertaking  to  determine  em- 
ployee/independent contractor  status.  What  really  has  the  most  po- 
tential benefit  is  we  have  been  working  with  industry  groups  trying 
to  come  to  a  definition  of  an  employee  and  independent  contractor 
that  the  industry  group  can  accept  and  IRS  can  accept.  Then  work- 
ing together,  we  share  that  definition  with  members  of  that  indus- 
try group,  so  that  we  have  a  common  definition  of  what  is  an  em- 
ployee and  what  is  an  independent  contractor.  That  may  have  more 
positive  impact  than  just  the  enforcement,  but  we  are  coupling  that 
effort  with  an  increased  enforcement  in  dealing  with  examinations 
and  our  revenue  officers  making  contact  to  insure  that  the  employ- 
ee's designation  is  proper. 

Mr.  Houghton.  So  you,  in  effect,  feel  that  with  the  expenditure 
of  this  money,  with  the  elapse  of  10  or  12  months,  that  you  will 
have  pretty  much  resolved  this  issue? 

Mr.  Blattner.  No,  I  do  not  expect  that. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Did  I  put  words  in  your  mouth? 

Mr.  Blaitner.  I  hope  that  we  can  make  meaningful  progress  in 
dealing  with  the  problem,  and  I  think  the  real  solution  is  working 
with  industry  groups  so  that  we  can  have  a  clear  commonly  accept- 
ed definition.  I  don't  believe  we  will  solve  this  problem  in  the  next 
12  months.  A  lot  of  the  problem  involves  cash  businesses,  and  that 
has  many  other  ramifications.  We  are  focusing  heavily  on  trying  to 
deal  with  cash  businesses,  so  that  we  can  have  proper  definition  of 
an  employee/independent  contractor  and  proper  reporting  of  the 


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cash  income.  I  believe  this  will  have  a  material  impact  and  to  im- 
prove the  situation. 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  think  that  is  the  most  important  issue. 

The  second  question  has  to  do  with  your  area  of  expertise,  Mr. 
Dolan.  I  know  that,  sort  of  on  an  ex  post  facto  basis,  you  take  a 
look  at  veterans  benefits  and  food  stamps  and  things  like  this.  But 
in  every  part  of  the  Government,  there  is  a  very  special  process  ex- 
pertise which  could  be  used  in  other  parts  of  the  Government. 

Many  times,  when  some  of  us  go  back  and  go  to  the  town  meet- 
ings, we  are  exposed  to  people  who  are  really  worried  about  excess 
expenditures,  extravagances,  too  much  money  being  lost  through 
the  system.  I  wonder  whether  you  are  helping  other  agencies,  not 
specifically  to  divulge  obviously  sacrosanct  information,  but  some  of 
the  things  you  do,  because  you  probably  are  the  greatest  repository 
of  processed  technology  to  catch  people  who  are  trying  to  defraud 
the  Grovernment  of  any  organization  around. 

What  are  you  doing  to  help  some  of  these  other  agencies  that 
have  this  problem?  Do  you  talk  to  them?  Is  it  so  confidential  that 
you  are  unable  to?  What  is  happening?  Because  there  is  a  big  area 
here. 

Mr.  Dolan.  That  is  a  very  interesting  question  and  it  is  one  that 
we  find  ourselves,  even  as  we  speak,  contemplating  more  broadly 
than  we  have  in  the  past.  The  short  answer  is  we  do  a  fair  amount 
of  that  today  and  probably  have  the  capability  of  doing  more.  The 
place  that  it  is  most  concrete  in  today's  world  is  we  have  a  very 
proactive  relationship  with  almost  all  the  State  taxing  organiza- 
tions. We  work  on  a  predicate  there,  from  the  most  fundamental 
to  the  most  sublime,  of  looking  for  places  to  not  replicate  each  oth- 
er's energy  and  to  learn  from  each  other. 

For  example,  we  this  year  are  doing  joint  electronic  filing  with 
15  States,  which  means  essentially  the  customer  of  the  tax  process 
only  has  to  do  it  one  time,  and  we  can  strip  data  off  and  move  it 
to  the  respective  taxing  authority. 

Another  very  promising  one  is  an  initiative  with  the  Labor  De- 
partment and  with  the  Social  Security  Administration  around  the 
vexing  issue  of  the  number  of  places  employers  have  to  send  infor- 
mation about  the  act  of  employing  and  paying  their  employees. 
They  have  to  send  their  Social  Security  reams  of  data  to  us,  reams 
of  data  to  the  Labor  Department,  local  and  State  unemployment 
authorities,  local  and  State  taxing  authorities.  We  have  something 
that  we  are  calling  a  simplified  wage  reporting  initiative  that  is 
gathering  a  fair  amount  of  momentum,  which  we  hope  holds  out 
promise  of  being  able  to  standardize  a  regime  where  the  employer 
could  ideally  file  one  place  and  have  it  stripped  off  and  spread 
around  the  Government. 

Mr.  Houghton.  If  I  could  just  interrupt  a  minute,  I  am  not  to- 
tally knowledgeable  in  this  area,  but  my  perception  is  that  maybe 
the  biggest  area  of  fraud  is  in  Medicaid.  I  can't  prove  that,  but  peo- 
ple drawing  down  their  assets,  disbursing  them  to  their  families, 
being  exposed  then  to  a  whole  new  government  sourcing  of  medical 
funds,  and  that  was  not  the  intent  of  the  program. 

Of  course,  as  you  know,  the  most  rapidly  rising  part  of  that  rap- 
idly rising  area  is  Medicaid.  I  don't  know  whether  you  are  doing 


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anything  in  that  area,  but  certainly  attention  needs  to  be  put  in 
there. 

Mr.  DOLAN.  I  think  it  is  a  good  suggestion.  Outside  of  the  context 
of  individual  casemaking,  of  which  we  would  do  some  in  that  area, 
we  do  not  at  the  moment  have  any  comprehensive  interaction 
around  the  issue  of  financial  fraud  that  might  be  present  in  that 
industry.  As  recently  as  last  month,  at  our  senior  level  we  have 
had  two  encounters,  one  with  the  Los  Alamos  Laboratories  about 
some  work  they  have  done  in  the  broader  financial  fraud  areas, 
and  they,  as  well  as  the  Kennedy  School  at  Harvard,  have  both 
suggested  possibilities  for  some  teaming  to  be  done  in  this  area  of 
financial  fraud.  It  is  an  area  that  we  have  a  lot  of  interest  in  trying 
to  contribute  what  we  can,  but  also  staying  on  our  own  active 
learning  curve  in  terms  of  applying  those  within  the  IRS. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Just  one  more  comment,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  really  think  that  in  the  area  of  fraud,  the  large  sums  are  in  this 
area.  I  am  going  to  continue  to  be  interested  in  this  thing,  because 
when  you  take  a  look  at  any  health  care  plan  which  comes  out  of 
the  White  House  and  the  costs  involved,  there  is  so  much  that  can 
be  done  to  contain  those  costs,  when  you  are  taking  a  look,  for  ex- 
ample, at  increasing  the  insurance  for  35  million-plus  people  who 
don't  have  any  coverage  at  all.  So  those  types  of  surveillance  are 
going  to  be  extraordinarily  important,  and  the  arithmetic  says  they 
have  not  been  attended  to. 

Mr.  DoioAN.  I  would  say  that  we  would  welcome  an  ongoing  dia- 
log with  you,  and  I  think  some  part  of  the  thought  process  you  re- 
flect is  behind  one  of  our  11  initiatives  in  the  underfunding  of  pen- 
sions plans.  That  is  clearly  an  area  where  we  think  we  have  syn- 
ergy between  our  mission  and  PBGC's  in  trying  to  identify  up  front 
the  things  that  may  become  PBGC's  bad  debt  at  the  back  end.  We 
are  trying  in  that  area  to  leverage  some  things  we  think  we  do  well 
in  concert  with  parts  of  their  mission  that  they  do  well. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  believe  Mr.  Jefferson  has  further  questions. 
But  I'd  say  to  you,  Mr.  Dolan,  a  few  minutes  ago  you  said  to  me 
that  with  respect  to  auditing  482  cases  that  you  use  the  1990-91 
tax  years.  I'm  advised  that's  not  correct.  I  want  to  ask  you  or  the 
staff,  are  those  the  years  you  said  they've  audited  to  ascertain  the 
impact  on  both  the  accessioility  of  information  and  the  enforcement 
provisions?  What  years  were  you  talking  about? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  Let  me  try  to  replay  what  I  think  I  said.  Then  I'm 
going  to  ask  Dave  Blattner  to  correct  me  if  I  was  wrong,  I  think 
I  was  trying  to  differentiate  between  two  things.  The  first  question 
that  we  answered,  I  believe  was,  what  are  the  years  that  are  under 
audit  in  the  current  examination  of  FCCs?  Ana  I  think  the  answer 
to  that  was  they  would  be  1990  and  1991  tax  years. 

As  I  further  understood  your  question,  I  thought  you  might  have 
been  referencing  what  would  be  the  years  from  which  the  samples 
would  have  been  derived  out  of  our  TCMP  for  which  to  make  pro- 
jections. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Mr.  Blattner,  what  is  the  answer  to  this? 

Mr.  Blattner.  Of  the  foreign-controlled  corporations,  220  of 
them  are  large  cases,  are  big  taxpayers.  For  that  universe  we  are 
auditing  the  1988,  1989,  1990  years.  That's  a  small  part  of  the  for- 


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eign  controlled  corporation  universe.  The  big  ones,  we  are  in  the 
late  1980s.  The  smaller  FCCs  that  we're  working  on  a  regular  basis 
we  would  be  working  years  1990  and  1991.  So  the  answer  to  your 
question  is  really  both.  But  for  the  big,  big  foreign  controlled  cor- 
porations our  cycles  would  put  us  in  the  1988,  1989  timeframe. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Now  that  is  essentially  the  answer. 
The  information  we  were  led  to  believe  by  Mr.  Dolan  that  it  was 
the  current  years,  1990  and  1991.  That  is  not  correct.  It's  more  cor- 
rect what  you  said. 

Now  let  me  ask  you  to  do  this,  Mr.  Dolan.  We're  going  to  ask  you 
to  give  us  a  copy  of  the  audit  years  of  these  firms  you  have  ref- 
erenced. If  I'm  going  to  make  a  recommendation  to  the  Appropria- 
tions Committee,  then  we've  got  to  have  some  emphasis  put  on  it 
and  make  funds  contingent  upon  that  information.  I've  got  to  be 
correct  that  I  know  what  I  am  talking  about,  the  years.  So  we're 
iust  going  to  ask  you  to  give  us  that  information  and  my  staff  will 
oe  in  touch  with  you,  so  we  can  have  that  information. 

[The  following  was  subsequently  received.] 

Audit  Years  For  FCC  Returns 

As  of  March  1993,  our  international  examiners  were  involved  in  a  total  of  9,969 
cases.  Of  these,  2,450  (25  percent)  were  foreign-controlled  corporations  cases.  The 
FCC  tax  years  covered  include  51  percent  in  years  1990  and  after,  19  percent  with 
1989  years,  13  percent  with  1988  years,  8  percent  with  1987  years,  and  9  percent 
with  years  1986  and  prior. 

Mr.  Dolan.  Mr.  Chairman,  let  me  hope  that  you  don't  believe 
that  I  was  misleading  you  on  the  1990,  1991. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  think  you  gave  me  kind  of  a  broad  state- 
ment, and  I  think  your  staff  sat  there  and  accepted  it,  and  I  think 
the  record  ought  to  be  made  clear. 

Mr.  Dolan.  Can  I  go  beyond  that  though?  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think 
one  of  the  things  that  I  would  very  much  like  to  leave  today's  hear- 
ing with  is  that  we  understand  your  intense  interest  in  the  FCC 
and  the  IRC  482.  I  think  there's  a  considerable  opportunity  for  us 
to  get  a  meeting  of  the  minds  on  data,  on  what  meets  your  needs 
and  what  meets  your  staffs  needs  so  that 

Chairman  Pickle.  When  we  get  the  copy  of  the  audits  you  have 
referred  to,  we'll  be  able  to  understand  now  what  we're  talking 
about  factually.  So  we're  going  to  do  that  and  we'll  know  it  for 
sure. 

In  other  words,  I'm  weary  of  not  getting  good  information  in  this 
field.  The  public,  I  think,  grows  weary  of  it.  We're  entitled  to  know 
the  facts.  And  we're  entitled  for  you  not  to  continue  business  as 
usual  and  give  us  broad  brush  answers.  I  think  we're  going  to  try 
to  be  more  specific  in  this  field. 

Mr.  Jefferson. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Mr.  Chairman  I  want  to  ask  two  questions.  The 
first  is,  the  GAO  has  reported  that  the  Internal  Revenue  Service 
examination  plans  don't  include  any  of  the  detailed  audits  done 
under  the  taxpayer  compliance  measurement  program.  For  30 
years,  of  course,  these  TCMPs  have  been  the  Internal  Revenue 
Service's  only  tool  to  objectively  measure  taxpayer  compliance  and 
select  tax  returns  on  which  an  audit  could  be  the  most  productive 
and  most  informative. 


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What  are  your  plans  for  TCMP  audits?  And  if  you  don't  do  them 
or  if  it  isn't  covered  in  your  budget,  then  won't  the  Congress  be  left 
to  rely  on  1988  data  in  trjdng  to  make  decisions  about  tax  policy — 
data  that  may  be  too  outdated  to  be  reliable? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  Mr.  Jefferson,  we  have  had  an  ongoing  dialog  with 
the  General  Accounting  Office  in  this  area.  It  is  our  objective  to 
have  more  current  data  available  to  us  with  which  to  measure  com- 
pliance, upon  which  to  identify  tax  returns  to  audit,  and  make  deci- 
sions about  how  to  improve  compliance.  In  the  past,  we  have  relied 
on  TCMP  for  much  of  this  data.  At  this  point,  TCMP  has  not  been 
replaced  by  any  other  measurement  system. 

When  we  conducted  TCMP  surveys  of  individual  taxpayers,  we 
examined  roughly  55,000  returns,  the  results  of  which  we  used  to 
decide  where  to  apply  our  resources  most  effectively.  These  deci- 
sions were  based  on  data  that  described  conditions  4  to  5  years  ear- 
lier. 

One  of  the  initiatives  that  I  identified  in  my  opening  statement 
is  for  something  we  call  a  compliance  research  and  analysis  sys- 
tem. 

We  believe  that  we  can  make  better  use  of  data  that's  in  our  sys- 
tem today  by  combining  it  with  data  from  external  sources  to 
achieve  a  greater  understanding  of  the  forces  that  affect  compli- 
ance and  to  be  able  to  do  so  in  a  more  timely  manner. 

We  will  not  have  gone  through  two  or  three  economic  cycles  be- 
tween the  time  that  we  took  a  TCMP  sample  and  the  time  when 
we  implement  corrective  action. 

So  our  long-term  objective  is  to  rely  less  on  TCMP.  Until  we  are 
able  to  do  this,  we  will  continue  to  rely  on  TCMP. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  So  the  report  that  it's  not  covered  in  your  budget 
request  isn't  correct  then?  It  is  in  your  budget  request  for  this 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  don't  know  that.  Maybe  Mr.  Blattner  can  answer 
what  TCMP  work  is  to  be  done  or  not  to  be  done  in  1994. 

Mr.  Blattner.  I  don't  have  that  information. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Let  me  give  you  this  answer.  The  fact  that  it  doesn't 
show  up  as  a  budget  request  in  fiscal  year  1994  doesn't  necessarily 
mean  that  we're  abandoning  TCMP.  I'm  not  sure  what  part  of 
TCMP  would  or  would  not  fall  into  1994.  It  is  not  a  budget  year 
specific  program. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  But  your  contention  overall  is  that  you  are  going 
to  continue  with  TCMP  this  year.  You  have  a  long  term  plan  to  do 
something  different. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Can  I  furnish  you  a  more  particularized  response? 
When  we  originally  proposed  to  halve  the  sample  size  of  TCMP, 
GAO  did  not  think  that  was  a  good  idea.  We  described  the  smaller 
TCMP  as  our  way  of  fulfilling  some  needs  while  we  started  devel- 
oping long-term  solutions.  In  our  reply  to  GAO,  we  essentially 
agreed  to  do  the  full  TCMP.  But  I  think  what  we  did  was  move  it 
back  somewhere  in  the  timeline.  I'll  give  you  a  detailed  description 
of  where  we  are  today  on  that. 

[The  following  was  subsequently  received:] 

TCMP  In  FY  1994 

The  Service  is  not  planning  to  conduct  a  TCMP  survey  of  1993  returns.  Our  deci- 
sion to  postpone  the  survey  is  based  on  insufficient  time  to  determine  the  compli- 


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ance  data  that  we  need  and  to  design  and  program  specifications  for  selecting  a 
sample  of  returns  that  will  provide  the  data. 

In  lieu  of  a  1993  survey,  we  will  begin  designing  a  survey  of  1994  returns.  Some 
initial  design  features  we  are  considering  include  stratifying  taxpayers  by  industry/ 
market  segment  and  selecting  a  sample  across  all  types  (Forms  1040,  1120,  etc.)  of 
filed  returns.  Also,  survey  returns  selected  from  specific  market  segments  will  be 
assigned  to  examiners  who  have  been  specially  trained  to  detect  compliance  issues 
associated  with  those  segments. 

The  design  of  the  fiscal  year  1994  survey  will  approximate  the  size  of  prior  TCMP 
surveys,  require  consideration  of  all  return  line-items,  and  allow  us  to  compare  re- 
sults with  those  surveys. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Last  thing.  The  inspector  general's  report  of  the 
Buffalo  district  office,  are  you  familiar  with  that  where  there  were 
some  criticisms  made  of  management  and  misconduct  and  so  on? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  am. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  I  don't  have  to  detail  those  things,  you're  already 
familiar  with  it.  The  question  is,  is  this  an  isolated  instance  or 
have  you  uncovered  this  sort  of  misconduct  at  other  Internal  Reve- 
nue Service  operations?  And  if  vou  have,  to  what  extent? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Mr.  Jefferson,  I  d  like  to  be  able  to  say  to  you  cat- 
egorically that  it's  isolated.  I  believe  it  to  be  an  aberration.  But  I 
would  also  say  to  you  that  over  the  last  4  or  5  years  we  have  had 
a  very  aggressive  ethics  and  integrity  program  ongoing  in  the  orga- 
nization to  which  we  have  encouraged  people  to  come  forward  and 
identify  the  things  that  bother  them,  that  they  thought  were  prob- 
lematic. I  will  tell  you,  out  of  that  process  came  a  lot  of  identifica- 
tion of  things  that  we  weren't  happy  about. 

I  think  in  Buffalo  we  had  a  convergence  of  those.  It  was  the  kind 
of  extreme  circumstance  on  which  we  thought  we  had  to  take  pret- 
ty categorical  action.  We  did  take  action.  I  suspect  we  have  other 
places  where  we  need  to  improve  in  either  the  performance  of  a 
senior  manager  or  somebody  in  the  management  stream.  But  I 
think  we  have  both  an  environment  and  a  consciousness  about 
identifying  those  areas  and  correcting  them  that  I  think  is  going 
to  be  healthy  for  the  organization. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Do  you  have  any  report  anywhere  about  where 
these  problems  are.  and  what  ofTices,  and  what 

Mr.  Dolan.  Probably  the  closest  thing  we  would  have  is  the 
record  that  the  Treasury  Inspector  General  keeps  in  terms  of  the 
compendium  of  allegations  that  are  surfaced,  investigated,  and 
then  identified  as  either  needing  action  or  not  needing  action. 

Mr.  Jefferson.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Thank  you.  Mr.  Brewster,  do  you  have  addi- 
tional questions? 

Mr.  Brewster.  Yes,  Mr.  Chairman.  I  note  with  some  interest 
that  in  your  budget  request  you're  asking  for  44  additional  posi- 
tions and  $12.5  million  to  explore  the  possibility  of  contracting  out 
some  tax  collection  jobs  to  private  industry;  is  that  correct? 

Mr.  Dolan.  There  is  an  initiative,  yes. 

Mr.  Brewster.  With  that  then,  if  you  do  pursue  that  avenue, 
there  are  several  questions  that  I  would  have.  Number  one,  will 
there  be  a  reduction  in  employees  at  IRS? 

Mr.  Dolan.  What  I  started  to  do  was  give  you  a  longer  answer 
than  I  thought  you  wanted.  Let  me  try  not  to  give  you  a  real  long 
one  now.  That  initiative,  Mr.  Brewster,  is  designed  to  take  work 
that  we're  not  getting  to  now.  It's  in  either  what  we  call  our  queue. 


70-792  0-93-7 


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which  is  at  a  dollar  threshold  below  what  we're  able  to  work,  or 
it's  in  something  that  we  have  called  currently  not  collectible.  It's 
been  worked  once  and  based  on  a  fact  pattern  at  that  point,  we  put 
it  in  abeyance  so  that  we  could  work  the  higher  yield,  more  current 
cases. 

What  this  initiative  is  designed  to  do  is  some  experimentation 
around  whether  we  could  get  some  private  vendors  to  help  locate. 
Some  of  the  things  that  get  written  off  as  currently  not  collectible 
are  because  we  couldn't  locate  the  taxpayer. 

So  it's  designed  to  look  at  whether  it  would  pay  to  look  for  some 
of  these  lower  dollar  yield  cases  in  ways  that  would  still  enable  us 
to  train  our  major  resource  on  the  higher  yield,  the  more  active 
cases.  We  want  to  see  whether  there's  any  advantage  to  using  pur- 
chased resources  essentially  to  do  some  of  the  end  of  the  stream 
that  we're  not  now  getting  to.  Right  now,  we  don't  know  what  the 
answer  will  be.  It's  designed  to  be  more  an  experiment  than  it  is 
an  operational  decision  about  how  to  do  collection  work. 

Mr.  Brewster.  What  enforcement  powers  would  these  contrac- 
tors have? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  They  will  have  none.  The  contractors  will  have  a 
very  limited  scope  of  responsibility.  It  will  be  in  the  area  of  identi- 
fying, locating  people,  and  in  some  instances,  identifying  to  the  tax- 
payer, once  located,  what  the  alternatives  are  in  terms  of  paying 
the  IRS — that  is,  the  fact  that  installment  agreements  are  avail- 
able and  our  various  forms  of  pajnnent.  But  they'll  have  none  of  the 
enforcement  responsibilities.  They  will  have  none  of  the  tax  compli- 
ance responsibilities  that  reside  in  the  IRS  now. 

Mr.  Brewster.  So  how  would  you  expect  them  really  then  to  en- 
force collection  of  money  if  they  have  no  enforcement  mechanism? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  What  we  would  gain 

Mr.  Brewster.  They  would  contact  you  and  say,  I've  found  old 
so-and-so  and  you'd  collect  it? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Again,  this  is  experimental.  We  haven't  spent  day 
one  on  actually  doing  this  yet.  But  potentially  what  we  would  do 
is  put  with  a  contractor  one  of  our  employees  who  does  have  en- 
forcement responsibilities  and  authorities.  And  possibly,  as  a  result 
of  identifying  cases  that  ought  to  be  worked  with  IRS  authorities, 
then  we  would  trigger  that  employee  to  take  the  actions  that  are 
unique  to  the  IRS. 

Mr.  Brand.  Mr.  Brewster,  about  17  States  are  currently  using  a 
similar  type  activity,  and  it  has  been  an  interest  of  0MB  to  test 
this  concept  as  to  what  in  fact  would  result.  So  we're  a  long  way 
from  where  we  would  make  even  an  operational  decision  on  this. 
It  is  simply  a  test. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  have  no  quarrel  with  doing  that  if  you  can  im- 
prove efficiency  and  cut  down  cost.  One  thing  that  struck  me  very 
quickly,  how  are  you  going  to  prevent  some  fraudulent  group  from 
going  out  there  and  representing  themselves  as  this  type  deal  and 
collecting  the  money? 

Mr.  Blattner.  This  collection  operation  would  not  receive  any 
money.  The  only  thing  they  woiild  tell  the  taxpayer  to  do  is  to  pay 
IRS. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Your  people  you  contract  with.  But  how  are  you 
going  to  prevent  someone  else  from  saying,  we're  the  people  that's 


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representing  the  IRS  in  this  and  give  us  the  money,  we'll  give  it 
to  IRS? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  That's  clearly  one  of  the  issues  that  we  would  have 
to  work  our  way  through  in  the  test,  because  even  without  being 
in  this  business  today  we've  got  folks  who  fraudulently  represent 
themselves  as  the  IRS  and  attempt  to  prey  on  people  who  don't 
know  better.  So  that  would  clearly  be  a  problem  we'd  want  to  work 
our  way  through.  It  may  be  a  bigger  problem  than  we  could  over- 
come. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I'll  be  interested  in  seeing  how  you  develop  this 
situation.  If  it  improves  efficiency,  that's  certainly  in  the  right  di- 
rection. And  when  you  see  the  numbers  from  68,000  to  115,000  em- 
ployees, I've  got  to  think  there's  some  efficiency  improvement  avail- 
able there,  especially  as  the  computer  age  has  increased  so  much 
the  last  20  years. 

Mr.  Do  LAN.  Can  I  pick  up  on  that?  I  think  you  have  rightfully 
taken  that  play  at  us  a  couple  times  today,  and  I  want  to  come 
back  and  respond  in  the  way  that  you  asked  to  the  change  in  dol- 
lars, and  I'll  do  that  by  writing.  But  one  of  the  things  that  I  would 
want  to  also  do  is,  if  I  could  for  a  minute,  is  thump  my  own  tub 
in  the  sense  that  we  have,  over  the  last  2  years,  essentially  pro- 
duced 90  million  dollars'  worth  of  productivity  savings  as  a  result 
of  challenging  the  way  we  do  business  and  using  our  technology  in- 
vestments. 

As  I  mentioned  earlier,  this  budget  has  us  signing  up  for  $55 
million  more;  $20  million  of  that  is  a  little  suspect  because  of  us 
not  being  able  to  get  the  stimulus  package.  But  we  don't  at  all 
shrink  from  your  basic  urging  to  look  for  more  productive  ways  to 
do  business.  We  think  we  owe  it  not  only  to  the  subcommittee  but 
to  the  citizenry  to  look  for  those  kinds  of  ways  to  become  more  effi- 
cient. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  have  noted  that  the  last  2  years  you've  actually 
reduced  employees  from  115,628  in  1991  to  115,268  this  year.  But 
the  cost  has  gone  up  $1  billion,  from  $6.1  billion  to  $7.1. 

Mr.  Doi^N.  Again,  a  good  part  of  that  is  potentially  improperly 
cast  in  that  there's  a  lot  of  capital  investment  in  there  on  our  way 
to  our  systems  modernization. 

Mr.  Brewster.  I  understand. 

Mr.  Brand.  I  was  just  going  to  say,  Mr.  Brewster,  you  are  cor- 
rect. In  fact,  the  FTE  levels  in  our  organization  have  been  rel- 
atively flat  now  since  1990,  and  we  are  still  on  that  kind  of  track. 
I  think  as  you  cost  the  operations  of  IRS  there's  probably  three  ele- 
ments to  consider.  The  first  is,  in  fact,  the  volume  of  work;  the 
number  of  returns  and  the  actual  volume  of  work  assignments  IRS 
is  doing. 

We  have  also,  because  of  the  increased  complexity  of  workload 
that  Mike  alluded  to  in  such  areas  as  international,  experienced 
labor  costs  in  fact  going  up.  Lastly,  there  are  always  economic  im- 
pacts as  to  how  much  effort  it  takes  to  collect  dollars,  whether  you 
collect  them  earlier  in  the  stream  at  less  cost  or  later  in  the  stream 
at  more  cost.  So  there  are  a  variety  of  factors  at  work  that  contrib- 
ute to  what  it  costs  to  collect  $100. 

Mr.  Brewster.  Thank  you. 


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Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you.  Mr.  Herger,  do  you  have  addi- 
tional questions? 

Mr.  Herger.  I  do;  a  couple  quick  ones,  if  I  could.  Mr.  Dolan,  just 
a  followup  to  my  last  question,  if  you  have  it.  In  the  area  of  motor 
fuel  excise  tax  evasion  we're  adding  about  $2.5  million.  Do  you 
have  a  ball  park  idea  of  approximately  how  much  we're  spending 
in  that  area  now?  What  that  $2.5  million  will  be  added  to?  What 
our  total  expenditures  would  be  approximately? 

Mr.  Blattner.  Today  in  examination  we  are  expending  approxi- 
mately 200  staff  years  directed  toward  diesel  motor  fuel.  In  crimi- 
nal investigation,  we  had  108  prosecutions  in  1992  on  diesel  fuel. 
I  don't  have  the  staff  years,  but  I  could  supply  that  for  the  record. 

Mr.  Herger.  Thank  you.  Mr.  Dolan,  in  another  area,  the  Presi- 
dent has  indicated  or  has  directed  his  Federal  agencies  to  cut  their 
administrative  overhead  expenses  by  14  percent  over  4  years. 
Could  you  tell  me,  go  into  a  little  bit  what  the  IRS  has  done  or  is 
currently  doing  to  comply  with  this  directive? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Certainly.  I  think  I  may  have  done  this  perhaps  be- 
fore you  entered  the  room.  Part  of  that  is  to  identify  within  our 
1994  budget  a  1,200-plus  staff  year  reduction  that  we  will  take  to- 
ward that  goal,  that  is  in  large  part  underwritten  by  some  of  what 
we're  able  to  do  with  technology.  Beyond  that  though,  we  are  in  the 
reasonably  late  stages  of  some  organizational  reinvention  work 
that  has  us  with  major  proposals  to  take  a  good  part  of  the  balance 
of  that  out  of  our  headquarters  and  regional  structure  and  over- 
head. 

So  our  objective,  in  relative  terms,  is  to  have  at  the  end  of  the 
day  a  higher  percentage  of  our  total  resources  on  the  front  line 
doing  enforcement,  service,  and  support  kind  of  things.  What  we're 
going  to  end  up  doing  is  take  the  balance  out  of  headquarters,  re- 
gional offices,  and  overhead  in  our  field  offices.  As  I  said,  we've  got 
a  plan  that  can  achieve  our  1994  equation;  and  for  1995  and  1996, 
we  think  that  what's  on  the  drawing  board  in  our  reinvention  .mode 
will  allow  us  to  do  that  along  with  tne  continued  accrual  of  tax  sys- 
tems modernization  productivity  savings. 

Mr.  Brand.  We've  also  recognized  our  percentage  contribution  in 
those  cuts  in  the  budget  formulation  process. 

Mr.  Herger.  Good.  So  that  we  are  in  the  process  of  doing  this; 
is  that  correct? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Yes. 

Mr.  Herger.  Is  that  what  I  understand  you're  saying? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Both  as  to  staffing  and  a  $30  million  reduction  we 
took  in  the  support  categories  as  well,  the  President's  objectives  are 
reflected  in  the  budget  that's  before  you  for  1994. 

Mr.  Herger.  What  do  you  feel  the  effects  of  this  will  be? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Ideally,  we  will  be  more  efficient.  I  think  it's  incum- 
bent on  us  as  the  senior  leaders  to  do  it  intelligently  and  not  do 
it  with  any  kind  of  an  indiscriminate  or  meat-ax  approach.  I  think 
we  have  had  the  good  fortune  of  having  about  a  year's  worth  of  ef- 
fort underway  to  identify  places  we  ourselves  wanted  to  improve; 
we  ourselves  had  an  objective  of  moving  more  resources  to  the  front 
line.  So  I  think  we  have  the  capability  of  doing  it  correctly. 

Mr.  Herger.  Will  we  be  able  to  track  this? 

Mr.  DoiAN.  Yes,  you  will. 


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Mr.  Herger.  Very  good.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Mr.  Dolan,  I  want  to  follow  on  quick  ques- 
tions. I  understand  that  the  administration  is  proposing  to  transfer 
approximately  $11  million  in  fiscal  year  1993  appropriations  from 
six  agency  accounts,  and  that  would  include  the  IRS  accounts,  and 
to  transfer  this  money  to  the  White  House  funding.  Is  IRS  transfer- 
ring some  $7  million  to  the  White  House  fund? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Yes,  Mr.  Chairman,  we  are. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  From  where  do  you  get  that  money? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Mr.  Chairman,  the  $7  million  that's  in  question  was 
identified  across  three  appropriations  in  the  rent  account  in  each 
of  those  three  appropriations.  As  you  may  well  know,  we  have  $538 
million  in  rent  in  our  budget,  and  in  mid-year  tracking  there  was 
a  $7  million  surplus  identified  in  that  area.  That's  where  the  pro- 
posal is  coming  from.  Obviously  you,  the  Congress,  has  to  approve 
any  kind  of  a  rescission  like  that. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  understand  that.  Have  you  been  requested 
to  transfer  this  money  to  the  White  House  funds? 

Mr.  Dolan.  I  think  what  we've  done,  Mr.  Chairman,  is  the 
money  has  been  identified  and  is  part  of  the  request  from  the  ad- 
ministration that  is  either  before  the  Congress  now  or  on  its  way 
to  the  Congress. 

Chairman  Pickle.  What  would  you  have  done  with  $7  million  if 
you  didn't  transfer  it  to  the  White  House  fiind?  How  would  you  use 
that  in  the  enforcement  field? 

Mr.  Doi^AN.  We  would  have  most  likely  brought  on  some  of  the 
revenue  agents  that  will  come  in  next  year's  initiative.  We  would 
have  brought  some  of  that  on  earlier. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Mr.  Dolan,  we've  reached  a  point  now  in  our 
hearing  where  some  members  have  gone  or  must  go  to  another  sub- 
committee's markup  of  legislation.  They  want  to  be  there  to  reg- 
ister. Some  may  stay  and  some  may  come  back  here. 

I'm  going  to  suggest  to  the  committee,  as  I  said  earlier,  that  we 
have  a  recess  now  of  approximately  10  minutes.  I  intend  to  come 
on  back — we'll  send  word  to  you  immediately — because  I  want  to 
ask  some  additional  questions  on  three  or  four  areas.  So  I'm  going 
to  ask  you  to  just  stand  fast  and  we're  going  to  declare  an  approxi- 
mate 10-minute  recess  and  then  we'll  resume  the  hearing  in  a  few 
minutes.  I  hope  that's  satisfactory.  Is  that  satisfactory  to  all  of  you? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  That's  fine. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  We'll  recess  for  10  minutes  then. 

[Recess.] 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  The  subcommittee  will  come  to  order  again. 
I'm  sorry  that  we  had  this  inconvenience  of  having  to  call  a  recess, 
but  we  had  to  accommodate  some  other  committees  too  that  had 
previous  meetings  scheduled. 

Let  me  ask  a  few  additional  Questions  now.  Mr.  Monks,  this  will 
be  a  question  with  respect  to  tne  taxpayer's  ombudsman.  In  1977 
we  set  up  problem  resolution  officer  positions  in  both  the  regional 
and  in  the  district  offices  and  set  up  different  procedures  for  their 
responsibility.  The  program  has  worked  well.  I  know  in  my  own 
district  office  we  have  a  very  effective  problem  resolution  division 
and  it's  extremely  helpful  to  people  who  want  a  person-to-person 
reply  or  response  to  their  complaints. 


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Now  we  had  a  bill  last  year  with  respect  to  taxpayer's  bill  of 
rights,  and  again  this  year  at  the  beginning  of  the  session  I  intro- 
duced a  Taxpayer's  Bill  of  Rights  2.  It  is  embodied  in  House  Reso- 
lution 22.  It  just  simply  contains  a  package  of  provisions  designed 
to  provide  taxpayers  with  additional  protections  and  safeguards. 
That  is  now  pending. 

My  first  question  to  you,  Mr.  Monks,  is  are  you,  as  the  new  act- 
ing ombudsman  who  succeeded  Mr.  Damon  Holmes,  do  you  support 
the  pending  taxpayer's  bill  of  rights? 

Mr.  Monks.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  that  there  are  a  number  of 
provisions  in  the  bill  of  rights  that  are  excellent  provisions  and  ob- 
viously steps  in  the  right  direction.  I  think  the  Service  supports  the 
majority  of  those  provisions  as  safeguarding  taxpayer  rights.  There 
are  some  provisions  relative  to  installment  agreements,  ofifers-in- 
compromise,  that  I  certainly  see  as  a  move  in  the  right  direction. 

There  are  a  couple  of  provisions,  though,  I'd  like  to  comment  on 
that  I  do  not  favor.  I'd  like  to  focus  on  those.  First  of  all,  I  want 
to  deal  with  the  issue  of  whether  or  not  the  ombudsman  should  be 
a  political  appointee  or  remain  a  Service  executive.  I  feel  that  the 
program  has  demonstrated  its  independence  over  the  years  and  has 
had  strong  support  from  the  Commissioner's  office,  and  the  balance 
of  the  organization  vmderstands  the  unique  position  that  the  om- 
budsman holds  and  the  need  for  that  position  to  be  independent. 
For  that  reason,  I  think  it  can  work  well  with  a  Service  executive 
as  the  ombudsman. 

I  would  also  like  to  comment  on  the  "line  authority"  that's  pro- 
posed in  your  bill — that  is,  having  field  problem  resolution  employ- 
ees report  directly  to  the  Taxpayer  Advocate.  My  own  feeling  is 
that  the  organization  works  extremely  well  right  now,  and  that's 
been  amplified  by  a  number  of  other  organizations  such  as  AICPA 
and  the  National  Society  of  Public  Accountants,  TEI,  and  so  on.  To 
change  that  organizational  structure  at  this  point  in  time  would 
tend  to  diminish  the  responsibility  and  accountability  of  the  field 
executives,  including  the  directors  at  the  service  centers  and  dis- 
trict offices  for  the  program. 

Right  now  they  give  excellent  support  to  the  problem  resolution 
officers  in  the  field.  They  are  the  ones  that  are  accountable  for  the 
systems  that  are  creating  problems  for  taxpayers,  and  we  want  to 
ensure  that  that  accountability  for  beginning  to  improve  those  sys- 
tems still  lies  with  those  individuals.  It  needs  to  be  a  team  process, 
with  program  direction  provided  from  the  Commissioner's  office 
and  the  ombudsman  down  to  field  executives  and  the  problem  reso- 
lution officers. 

I  think  moving  to  a  line  organization  is  not  the  right  answer.  I 
think  that  leaving  the  problem  resolution  officers  at  the  field  level 
under  the  direction  of  the  directors  is  the  best  way  for  that  pro- 
gram to  work. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  understand  you  to  say  then  that  with  re- 
spect to  the  appointment  of  the  ombudsman,  you  would  think  that 
that  person  should  be  nominated  by  the  IRS  Commissioner  and  not 
nominated  by  the  President? 

Mr,  Monks.  I  believe  it  should  remain  a  career  executive  within 
the  Service  selected  by  the  Commissioner,  yes. 


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Chairman  Pickle.  Suppose  the  President  were  to  nominate  a  ca- 
reer person  in  the  Service? 

Mr.  Monks.  I'm  sorry,  I  didn't 

Chairman  Pickle.  Suppose  the  President  says,  all  right,  I'm 
going  to  nominate  one  individual  to  be  the  taxpayer's  advocate  and 
he  comes  from  within  the  Service.  Would  that  satisfy  your 

Mr.  Monks.  I  think  that  would  be  fine. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Would  you  feel  deeply  concerned  whether  the 
person  would  be  approved  by  the  Senate? 

Mr.  Monks.  That  would  not  bother  me  at  all. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Either  way? 

Mr.  Monks.  That  would  not  bother  me. 

Chairman  Pickle.  So  if  the  President  were  to  nominate  some- 
body from  within  the  Service,  that  would  satisfy  your  concerns? 

Mr.  Monks.  I  think  that  that  would  be  fine. 

Chairman  Pickle.  That's  interesting.  Now  I  know  you  don't  nor- 
mally want  to  see  it,  but  I'm  going  to  assume  that  if  we  have  the 
taxpayer's  advocate,  that  person  then  is  going  to  be  reporting  to  the 
Congress  as  well  as  to  the  Service.  That  does  not  bother  your 

Mr.  Monks.  That's  right,  and  I  support  that  provision.  The  om- 
budsman has  been  making  prior  reports  to  Congress,  along  with 
the  Assistant  Commissioner  of  Taxpayer  Services,  on  various  is- 
sues. This  requirement  would,  in  effect,  provide  the  Congress  with 
reports  on  recommendations  made  by  the  ombudsman  and  what 
the  Service  has  done  about  those  recommendations. 

Chairman  PiCKiJ^..  The  bill  we  have  pending,  the  so-called  Tax- 
payer's Bill  of  Rights  2  that  would  require  this  new  taxpayer's  ad- 
vocate to  report  to  the  Congress  on  the  20  most  serious  problems 
encountered  by  taxpayers.  What  are  the  20  most  serious  problems? 

Mr.  Monks.  I  don't  have  a  list  of  20,  but  I  do  have  a  short  list. 
If  you  want  me  to  go  over  them,  I  could  go  over  the  list  that  I  do 
have,  or  we  could  provide  them  for  the  record. 

Chairman  Pickij<:.  You  could  mention  some  of  them  and  provide 
me  the  whole  list  for  the  record.  I  want  to  know  what  they  are  just 
in  general  and  what  importance  you  put  to  them.  Where  did  you 
get  your  list?  Did  you  personally  choose  this  list? 

Mr.  Monks.  This  is  a  list  that  was  developed  in  conjunction  with 
the  problem  resolution  staff  in  the  national  office.  A  number  of 
these  issues  are  not  new.  They're  issues  that  the  Service  has  been 
dealing  with  for  quite  some  time,  and  there  are  actions  underway 
to  deal  with  them.  So  I  don't  mean  that  they're  not  being  dealt 
with. 

One  is,  of  course,  taxpayer's  inability  to  access  our  telephone  sys- 
tems to  the  degree  that  they  would  like.  Obviously,  costs  restrict 
the  certain  number  of  telephone  lines  that  we  have,  and  taxpayers 
have  indicated  they  cannot  readily  access  our  systems. 

Another  is  in  the  area  of  the  tone  and  clarity  of  our  notices.  We 
have  done  a  lot  of  work  in  the  notice  clarity  area,  but  we  still  have 
a  lot  of  work  to  do.  We've  recently  initiated  another  task  force,  of 
which  I  was  designated  as  the  chair,  to  begin  to  look  at  this  and 
try  to  simplify  the  process  for  improving  clarity  of  notices  and 
streamlining  the  timeframe  to  get  those  notices  into  the  system. 
We  have  had  meetings  already  and  hopefully  will  have  a  number 


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of  suggestions  to  make  to  the  Service  relative  to  improving  that 
process. 

The  accuracy  of  our  information  returns  has  been  a  continuing 
problem  and  one  that  I  think  we've  made  some  great  strides  on 
over  the  past  few  years,  but  we  still  have  problems  in  that  area. 

Taxpayers  feel  in  some  cases  that  we're  not  as  responsive  as  we 
can  be  in  acknowledging  their  correspondence  and  getting  back  to 
them  timely.  That's  another  issue  that  we're  dealing  with. 

We've  got  some  issues,  I  think,  which  the  Bill  of  Rights  2  provi- 
sions will  assist  us  on,  in  the  area  of  joint  returns  and  some  of  the 
issues  that  we  deal  with  there — ^not  being  able  to  communicate  to 
one  spouse  an  action  taken  by  another. 

That's  just  a  short  list.  We  have  some  others  that  we  can  deal 
with  and  I  would  be  more  than  happy  to  provide  a  fuller  list  for 
the  record. 

[The  following  was  subsequently  received:] 


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PROBLEMS  TAXPAYERS  HAVE 

DEALING  WITH  IRS  AS  IDENTIFIED 

BY  THE  TAXPAYER  OMBUDSMAN'S  OFFICE 


1.  IRS  does  not  fully  know  what  concerns  taxpayers  have 
with  tax  administration.   The  value  tracking  core 
business  system  will  be  addressing  this  through 
taxpayer  focus  groups  and  other  data  gathering  efforts. 

2.  Clarity  and  tone  of  communications.   IRS  notices  are 
lacking  in  clarity  and  may  contain  IRS  jargon.   In  many 
cases,  they  do  not  provide  adequate  explanations  of  the 
reason  for  the  communication.   In  addition, 

IRS  communications  to  taxpayers  take  the  same  approach 
whether  the  taxpayer  has  engaged  in  the  same  negative 
behavior  year  after  year  or  if  the  taxpayer  has  a 
spotless  history  of  compliance. 

3.  Issuance  of  erroneous  notices  by  the  Service.   The 
information  reported  to  IRS  by  external  sources  on 
wages,  interest,  etc.,  is  not  always  accurate  and 
results  in  communications  with  taxpayers  which  are 
sometijnes  unnecessary,  inaccurate  or  misunderstood. 

4.  Taxpayers  are  frustrated  because  when  they  submit 
claims,  payments,  responses,  etc.,  to  IRS,  they  often 
do  not  receive  an  acknowledgment  and/or  information  on 
the  eventual  disposition  of  the  matter. 

5.  Inability  to  readily  access  IRS  by  phone.   A  recent  GAG 
report  indicates  that  only  24%  of  taLxpayer  calls  reach 
IRS  when  they  call  the  toll-free  number.   This  is 
primarily  due  to  current  resource  limitations. 

6.  Time  delays  on  compliance  related  contacts.   For 
ejcample,  IRS  may  not  contact  taxpayers  on  discrepancies 
in  income  until  two  years  after  the  income  is  received. 
This  burdens  the  taxpayer  both  due  to  the  lack  of 
recall  and  potential  additional  charges  for  interest 
and  penalty. 

7.  Inability  of  taxpayers  to  get  to  one  person  who  can 
help  them.   The  Service's  one-stop  service  concept  is 
addressing  this  issue. 

8.  The  complexity  of  tax  laws  and  regulations. 

9.  IRS  sometimes  fails  to  update  its  files  to  reflect  the 
tajcpayer '  s  most  current  address  received  by  any 
component  of  IRS.   In  addition,  IRS  frequently  does  not 
take  adequate  steps  to  assure  that  its  communications 
reach  both  parties  to  a  joint  return  when  there  has 
been  a  divorce . 


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10.  Cost  to  low  income  taxpayers  of  using  electronic  filing 
to  get  quick  refunds. 

11.  Implementation  of  the  earned  income  credit.   The  ever- 
expanding  population  of  taxpayers  involved  with  the 
earned  income  credit  frequently  have  less  knowledge  of 
tax  laws  and  need  additional  assistance  due  to  the 
complexities  of  this  provision. 

12 .  Several  million  individuals  each  year  who  receive  tax 
refunds  also  make  mathematical  errors  in  computing 
their  tax.   Currently  the  explanation  of  the  error  and 
the  refund  checks  are  received  from  separate  agencies 
and  in  separate  mailings  resulting  in  confusion  to 
taxpayers . 

13.  The  IRS  mailout  program  for  tax  returns,  estimated  tax 
payment  vouchers,  etc.,  is  experiencing  increasing 
problems  in  these  items  reaching  the  intended 
taxpayers . 

14.  Cash  Management  issues.   The  Service  currently  uses  a 
lockbox,  i.e.,  a  bank  to  receive  and  quickly  deposit 
checks,  for  individual  estimated  tax  payments.   IRS ' s 
future  plans  envision  a  substantial  expansion  of  the 
use  of  lockboxes.   There  are  issues  involving  potential 
embezzlement  and  additional  postage  which  need 
resolution  to  assure  that  taxpayer  burden  and  cost  are 
not  increased  by  this  cash  management  initiative. 

15.  Small  business  taxpayers  are  heavily  burdened  in 
dealing  with  tax  related  issues  including  payroll  tax 
forms,  FTDs,  and  differing  filing  and  definitional 
requirements  for  each  type  of  tax,  i.e.,  income,  FICA, 
FUTA. 

16.  The  FTD  process  is  extremely  complex.   Much  attention  - 
must  be  paid  to  accounts  of  large  taxpayers  to  assure 
that  the  accounts  are  in  proper  balance. 

17.  Limited  ability  of  taxpayers  to  do  business  with  IRS  at 
convenient  times  and  locations. 

18.  Administration  of  penalties.   A  large  number  of 
penalties  are  imposed  and  then  abated  each  year  thus 
causing  an  unnecessary  burden  on  both  taxpayers  and 
IRS. 

19 .  The  inability  of  IRS  to  abate  interest  due  to  delays 
caused  by  the  IRS. 

20.  Taxpayers  whose  employers  fail  to  provide  timely  Forms 
W-2  do  not  always  get  the  help  they  need  from  IRS  in 
obtaining  these  forms. 


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Chairman  PiCKLE.  Do  you  have  any  suggestions  for  taxpayer  bill 
of  rights,  number  three? 

Mr.  Monks.  Not  at  this  point  in  time,  but  we're  working  on  that 
already. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  would  like  to  have  any  suggestions.  I  have 
a  feeling  that  the  Congress  is  going  to  have  a  continuing  concern 
of  saying  to  the  public,  we're  going  to  give  you  more  rights  or  we're 
going  to  protect  your  rights  in  dealing  with  the  IRS.  I  think  this 
is  going  to  be  an  ongoing  process.  One  or  two  of  the  things  you  just 
mentioned  are  in  the  present  bill  of  rights  and  they  came  from  your 
suggestions.  So  there  are  good  things  we  can  do  as  we  study  this 
whole  field.  I'm  glad  to  have  these  suggestions  and  any  others,  and 
I  would  want  you  to  give  us  a  copy  of  these  suggestions. 

I  notice  you  don't  put  anywhere  in  your  listing  the  transfer  pric- 
ing question.  Would  that  be  one  of  your  20? 

Mr.  Monks.  That's  not  on  my  short  list,  but  I'm  sure  it  could  be 
one  of  them. 

Chairman  Pickle.  That  will  be  on  the  Pickle  list,  and  I  may  sub- 
mit a  list  of  20  for  you,  too. 

Mr.  Monks.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  We'll  compare  lists  then. 

Last  week  at  a  committee  hearing  we  made  mention  of  a  case. 
I  want  to  repeat  to  you  the  factual  situation.  In  April,  you  re- 
sponded to  our  subcommittee's  inquiry  on  behalf  of  a  taxpayer 
whose  case  languished  at  the  appeals  level  for  5  years  while  inter- 
est accrued  to  more  than  $48,000.  As  I  remember  the  case,  the 
original  tax  was  no  more  than  about  $31,000,  but  penalties  and  in- 
terest totaled  $48,000.  And  it  was  pretty  much  admitted  that  the 
delay  was  caused  by  the  IRS's  heavy  inventory  and  lack  of  staff, 
or  at  least  the  person  assigned  to  it  didn't  take  care  of  it.  And  for 
5  years  the  interest  and  penalty  built  up. 

Now  as  the  taxpayer's  ombudsman,  Mr.  Monks,  do  you  believe 
your  response  was  an  appropriate,  fair  answer.  You  were  protecting 
the  handling  of  that  case. 

Mr.  Monks.  We  did  prepare  a  response  to  your  office  dated  April 
14  that  outlined  some  of  the  circumstances.  In  general  terms,  I 
think  that  5  years  for  a  case  to  linger  in  appeals  is  definitely  too 
long,  and  appeals  would  even  acknowledge  that.  Obviously,  this 
case  dealt  with  some  extremely  complex  circumstances,  and  shel- 
ter-related issues  and  so  on.  I  don't  know  the  full  reason  for  why 
the  case  lingered  as  long  as  it  did  but 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Then  I  submit  that  perhaps  you  ought  to  have 
known  this  when  the  case  was  specifically  submitted  to  you.  Five 
years  is  a  long  time  for  an  individual  to  have  to  wait  on  a  decision 
of  a  case  that  didn't  amount  to  $31,000  to  begin  with.  And  when 
it  languishes  for  5  years  just  because  nobody  pays  any  attention  to 
it  particularly,  that's  not  acceptable.  Should  we  amend  the  law  to 
take  care  of  a  situation  like  that? 

Mr.  Monks.  I  do  agree  that  there  should  be  some  provision  to 
deal  with  issues,  particularly  on  lower  income  taxpayers  that  this 
would  create  a  hardship  for.  And  I  do  agree  that  5  years  is  too  long 
for  a  case  to  languish  in  any  one  function  in  IRS. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  As  you  say  in  law,  it's  a  res  ipsa  loquitur  case; 
the  facts  speak  for  themselves.  That  should  not  have  happened. 


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And  if  cases  like  that  linger  on  the  books  a  long  time  the  public 
becomes  disillusioned  and  angry  and  they  have  a  right  to  be. 

Mr.  Monks.  I  agree. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  know,  Mr.  Monks,  I  understand  you're  going 
to  be  retiring.  You  have  acted  in  a  very  short  time,  so  you  don't 
have  to  be  too  accountable  for  what  you  re  testifying  here  today.  If 
you've  got  anjrthing  additional,  you  may  be  recognized  for  that  pur- 
pose, or  if  you  have  any  suggestion  for  us  in  the  general  ombuds- 
man field. 

I  think  this  committee  is  trying  to  say  that  we  want  a  taxpayer's 
advocate  down  there — and  this  is  no  comparison  of  Mr.  Holmes' 
work.  He'd  been  an  effective  public  servant  down  there.  But  we 
want  to  know  what  you're  doing,  and  we  want  to  have  a  report 
from  you — the  Congress — the  same  as  the  IRS  has  it,  and  under 
the  bill  proposed  we  can  do  that.  We  just  simply  want  to  know  how 
you're  responding  and  who  you  report  to  so  we  have  that  same  in- 
formation up  here. 

I  don't  want  you  to  lose  your  independence  or  I  don't  want  it  to 
become  political.  But  after  all,  the  Commissioner  is  a  political  ap- 
pointee, and  I  don't  see  what  if  we  have  an  advocate  responsible 
to  Congress  that  that  is  any  more  political  than  the  other.  But  I 
think  those  things  are  generally  understood  and  agreed  to. 

We  wish  you  well  as  you  go  back  to  Arkansas.  It  seems  to  me 
like  nearly  everybody  from  Arkansas  is  coming  to  Washington,  and 
here  you're  going  back,  for  whatever  reason.  We  wish  you  well  and 
we  thank  you  for  your  service. 

Mr.  Monks.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Now  let  me  ask  some  additional  questions 
here.  Mv  next  area  would  be  in  the  underfunded  pension  plan  area, 
Mr.  Dolan.  You've  got  a  budget  proposal  now  for  IRS  that  rec- 
ommends a  sum  of  about  $2.9  million  for  fiscal  year  1994  related 
to  underfunded  pension  plans.  I  assume  the  reason  for  that  initia- 
tive is  because,  you  said  the  Federal  Grovernment  has  a  direct  in- 
terest in  the  prevention  of  underfunding  because  underfunded  ter- 
minated plans  are  unable  to  pay  promised  benefits  to  participants, 
forcing  the  PBGC  to  assume  responsibility  for  underfunded  plans. 

I  couldn't  agree  with  you  more.  Can  you  tell  me,  what  would  we 
accomplish  under  the  administration's  revenue  initiative?  If  you're 
going  to  have  $2.9  million  for  this,  what  is  it  for? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Mr.  Chairman,  let  me  start  by  saying  it's  divided  in 
two  general  areas.  One  is  what  we  identified  as  a  comprehensive 
study,  and  the  other  are  a  series  of  2,000  enforcement  examina- 
tions. But  John  Burke,  who  is  our  Assistant  Commissioner 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  It's  for  a  study  and  enforcement?  All  right. 

Mr.  Dolan.  But  John  Burke,  who  is  our  Assistant  Commissioner 
for  both  exempt  organizations  and  employee  plans,  I  think  may  be 
able  to  give  you  a  more  full  explanation. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Who's  going  to  answer  that? 

Mr.  Burke.  I  am.  Congressman.  Mv  name  is  John  Burke  and  I'm 
the  Assistant  Commissioner  for  Employee  Plans  and  Exempt  Orga- 
nizations. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  All  right,  Mr.  Burke. 

Mr.  Burke.  On  your  question  with  respect  to  the  $2.9  million — 
I  don't  think  there's  any  doubt  in  our  mind  that  there's  a  signifi- 


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cant  problem  in  the  underfunding  of  pension  plans.  We're  not  doing 
a  study  to  prove  to  anyone  that  there's  a  problem  there.  The  fig- 
ures speak  for  themselves  in  terms  of  where  the  PBGC  is,  the  defi- 
cit that  they're  facing,  and  some  of  the  problems  that  they're  deal- 
ing with. 

Our  study  and  our  enforcement  actions  are  intended  to  do  some- 
thing a  little  bit  different  than  just  validate  the  fact  that  there's 
a  problem.  At  this  juncture,  I  can't  tell  you  what's  causing  the 
problems.  We've  done  a  number  of  examinations  over  the  past  6  or 
7  years  and  they  don't  seem  to  have  stemmed  the  tide  of  an  in- 
creasing deficit  in  the  funding  of  these  pension  plans,  particularly 
the  larger  ones.  And  a  number  of  people's  benefits  are  at  risk. 

What  we  want  to  do,  and  what  we're  in  the  process  of  doing  is 
putting  together  a  study  to  look  at,  first  of  all  some  of  the  400  larg- 
er plans  that  have  a  significant  underfunding  status,  and  then  ana- 
lyze what's  causing  it.  And  through  the  process  of  examining  them 
and  going  into  them  in  some  depth,  be  able  to  determine  whether 
or  not  it's  a  question  of  where  they  invest  the  funds,  whether  it's 
actuarial  assumptions,  or  whether  it's  some  other  problem  that's 
causing  the  underfunding.  Then  we  will  be  able  to  take  either  en- 
forcement action  to  improve  the  compliance 

Chairman  Pickle.  That  sounds  good,  because  you  normally  look 
at  it  that  way  and  you  would  have  done  that  for  months  and  years 
in  the  past.  More  specifically,  of  this  $2.9  million  you're  going  to 
have,  how  much  of  that  is  for  the  study? 

Mr.  Burke.  About  half  Out  of  some  43  staff  years  approximately 
half  would  go  to  the  study,  and  the  other  half  would  go  to  the  ex- 
amination of  some  2,000  plans  to  determine  how  we  can  better 
identify  the  trends  that  are  causing  the  underfunding,  and  also 
how  we  can  identify  better  the  cases  that  need  to  be  examined. 

Chairman  PiCKlJC.  Half  of  it  would  go  for  the  study,  and  about 
half,  then  I  assume,  for  enforcement. 

Mr.  Burke.  Yes. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Now  when  will  that  study  be  completed? 

Mr.  Burke.  We  expect  to  have  the  examinations  completed  in 
about  a  year;  the  study  will  be  put  together  and  developed  by  the 
end  of  fiscal  year  1994. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  1991. 

Mr.  Burke.  Fiscal  year  1994,  sir. 

Chairman  Pickle.  You  say  in  January — say  that  again? 

Mr.  Burke.  The  examinations  should  be  completed  in  about  a 
year,  and  the  study  put  together,  developed,  and  ready  for  submis- 
sion by  the  end  of  fiscal  year  1994,  which  is  September  30th,  1994. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  misunderstood  you.  I  was  wondering  how  we 
were  going  to  go  backwards  here.  But  you  said  1994. 

Mr.  Burke.  Yes,  sir. 

Chairman  PlCKiJC.  Now  the  General  Accounting  Office  has  found 
that  the  pension  plans  are  not  complying  with  the  funding  require- 
ments enacted  in  the  1987  bill  that  we  passed.  Can  you  tell  me 
what  specific  findings  has  caused  the  administration  to  determine 
that  enhanced  enforcement  of  the  minimum  funding  requirement  is 
necessary? 

Mr.  Burke.  Could  you  repeat  the  question  again,  sir? 


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Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  said,  what  specific  findings  have  you  made 
that  would  cause  the  administration  to  determine  that  the  en- 
hanced enforcement  of , the  minimum  funding  requirements  is  nec- 
essary? Why  are  you  putting  more  money  into  the  study  and  en- 
forcement? What  brought  you  to  that  conclusion? 

Mr.  Burke.  First  of  all,  on  the  GAO  study,  we  have  not  received 
a  formal  report  from  them.  The  first  I  got  any  inkling  as  to  what 
their  thoughts  would  be  was  last  week  when  they  testified  at  an- 
other hearing  before  this  subcommittee  and  indicated  that  they  had 
done  some  studies  with  respect  to  the  Pension  Protection  Act  of 
1987  and  they  had  preliminarily  reached  some  conclusions  that 
there  were  problems  there. 

I  would  probably  stipulate  at  this  point  that  there  are  problems 
with  respect  to  underfunding.  The  fact  that  we've  examined  some 
4,000  to  5,000  of  these  plans  during  a  4-year  period  and  found  that 
there  are  a  significant  number  of  them  that  had  not  paid  the  excise 
taxes  for  the  minimum  funding  rules  and  had  not  even  filed  the  re- 
turns indicates  that  we've  got  to  do  something  different  than  just 
examine  each  plan.  The  way  we've  approached  it  in  the  past  is  just 
not  adequate. 

We've  done  the  examinations.  We've  picked  up  additional  tax. 
We've  picked  up  the  additional  excise  tax  returns,  and  still  the 
plans  continue  to  be  underfunded.  We  have  to  approach  it  dif- 
ferently than  we  have  in  the  past.  The  enforcement  activity  is  not 
just  going  out  and  trying  to  examine  each  plan  and  determine 
whether  or  not  it's  paid  its  proper  amount  of  excise  tax.  That's  not 
what  this  program  is  about. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Last  week,  as  I  recall,  we  had  two  agencies, 
both  GAO  and  CBO  made  an  analysis  of  the  underfunded  pension 
problem,  and  found  that,  one,  the  underfiinded  liability  has  gone 
up  tremendously  to  $51  billion — and,  two,  that  we  must  take  action 
to  try  to  correct  that.  In  asking  for  suggestions,  I  think  it  was  the 
CBO  that  made  some  general  recommendations.  One  of  them  was 
that  we  didn't  attempt  to  change  necessarily  figures  in  the  mini- 
mum funding  but  that  we  might  have  some  kind  of  premium  in- 
crease, particularly  increasing  the  variable  rate. 

Are  you  familiar  with  that  approach?  Could  you  comment  on 
that? 

Mr.  Burke.  I  have  some  familiarity  with  it,  but  I  do  not  have 
any  awareness  of  what  the  CBO  or  GAO  might  have  recommended 
in  that  particular  respect. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Are  you,  representing  the  IRS,  concerned  that 
we've  got  a  pension  program  where  funds,  pension  plans  just  don't 
have  to  be  funded  if  they  don't  want  to,  if  they  choose  not  to? 
Should  we  change  the  law  to  require  the  pension  plans  to  be  fund- 
ed timely  and  currently,  and  to  enforce  it  by  law? 

Mr.  Burke.  It  strikes  me  that  something  needs  to  be  done. 
Whether  or  not  I  can  comment  on  a  particular  piece  of  legislation, 
I'm  not  prepared  to  do  that.  But  I'm  certainly  not  one  to  fight 
against  the  need  to  make  some  changes. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  We're  going  to  proceed  on  this  question  in 
much  more  detail  in  the  immediate  weeks  ahead,  so  I  appreciate 
any  suggestion  that  you  people  have  on  it — ^you  or  any  other  mem- 
bers of  the  IRS. 


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Now  Mr.  Dolan,  with  respect  to  productivity  savings,  perhaps 
you  or  any  of  the  other  gentlemen  would  want  to  comment.  You 
just  said  in  your  testimony  that  because  of  the  new  TSM  system 
that  you  are  going  to  put  into  place  that  you  would  achieve  produc- 
tivity savings  of  $55  million  in  fiscal  year  1994.  I  think  Mr.  Brew- 
ster had  asked,  or  Mr.  Jefferson,  some  questions  about  that  pre- 
viously. 

This  brings  up  the  question  to  me  that  if  productivity  savings  are 
real — and  you  say  that  they  can  be  achieved — then  why  aren't  we 
seeing  significant  reductions  in  staffing,  or  at  least  an  increase  in 
audits?  Can  any  of  you  comment  on  that? 

Mr.  Dolan.  Let  me  start  and  then  invite  anybody  else  in  who 
wants  to  comment.  I  think  one  of  the  points  I  tried  to  make,  Mr. 
Chairman,  in  the  earlier  statement  was  that  notwithstanding  the 
fact  that  we  have  asked  for  a  major  increase  in  our  tax  systems 
modernization  this  year,  when  you  look  at  our  entire  information 
systems  budget,  it's  only  a  $7  million  increase  over  what  we  have 
spent  in  information  systems.  But  for  the  ability  to  do  things  more 
productively  as  a  result  of  tax  systems  modernization  that  number 
would  be  much  larger. 

I  think  you  could  look  at  a  variety  of  other  operational  programs 
and  find,  for  example,  in  the  taxpayer  services,  this  year  we  have 
answered  on-line  5  million  account  calls  as  contrasted  last  year  at 
this  time  with  about  2.2  million.  We  have  done  that  within  a  re- 
source base  that  is  200  people  less  than  last  year.  At  the  same 
time,  we  have  achieved  106  percent  of  our  planned  telephone  traf- 
fic. 

I  know  neither  you  nor  I  are  satisfied  that  we're  getting  to  all 
the  people  we  need  to  get  to,  but  we  achieved  106  percent  of  what 
we  tnought  those  resources  would  be  able  to  achieve  this  year.  So 
I  think  productivity,  while  it's  not  translating  itself  maybe  in  gross 
terms  to  a  sharp  decline,  is  allowing  us  to  take  on  workload 
growth,  complexity  growth,  and  more  demand  from  our  customer 
base  without  adding  additional  bodies. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Earlier  you  had  testified,  Mr.  Dolan,  that  your 
new  taxpayer  system  is  going  to  be  a  vastly  and  greatly  improved 
automated  system  where  an  individual's  call  can  be  routed  imme- 
diately to  a  particular  function  by  saying,  punch  number  one,  two, 
and  three  and  you'll  get  the  answers.  Ana  that  you  would,  there- 
fore, use  less  personnel.  You'd  save  money  by  going  to  this  new 
equipment.  That,  I  guess,  is  inevitable  in  this  time  and  age.  I  don't 
see  why  you  ought  not  be  a  part  of  it  too. 

But  if  you  do  that,  doesn't  that  mean  you're  going  to  be  cutting 
out  these  personal  interviews  with  the  individuals?  If  you  go  to  all 
automation 

Mr.  DoiAN.  Not  at  all,  Mr.  Chairman.  I  think  what  we  would 
like  to  do  is  more  of  what  we've  been  doing  over  the  last  4  or  5 
years.  When  you  called  toll-free  5  or  6  years  ago,  you  might  well 
spend  the  time  of  a  live  assistor  to  ask  for  a  form,  to  ask  where's 
the  closest  IRS  office,  to  do  a  lot  of  things  that  really  aren't  that 
much  value  added.  Todav,  we  take  20  or  30  million  of  those  calls 
off-line,  so  that  the  macnine  answers  those.  So  that  Mike  Dolan, 
who  has  a  question  about  his  account  or  has  a  question  about  "can 
I  take  this  on  my  taix  return"  finds  more  of  those  kind  of  questions 


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are  getting  answered.  That's  what  we  try  to  continue  to  do,  answer 
more  of  those  questions. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I  would  hope  that  as  you  go  to  automation 
and  to  save  personnel  and  money  there,  you'd  channel  more  money 
for  personnel  in  the  problem  resolution  program.  I  think  probably 
the  best  thing  the  IRS  can  do  is  increase  your  taxpayer  services  ap- 
proach. 

You  made  great  strides  in  that  area  in  the  last  4  or  5  years  and 
I'm  glad  to  hear  you  say  that  you've  answered  so  many  calls  this 
past  year.  I  hope  that  number  doubles.  Because  once  the  individual 
can  talk  to  some  person  and  talk  to  them  face-to-face,  they  get  a 
better  understanding  what  the  adjustment  is,  and  how  it's  arrived 
at,  and  then  they  know  how  to  respond  to  it.  If  we  lessen  that,  we'd 
be  doing  a  great  disservice  to  the  American  taxpayer.  So  as  you  go 
toward  automation,  I  want  you  to  keep  in  mind  the  taxpayers  as 
individuals.  Person  to  person  is  still  very  important. 

Mr.  DOLAN.  Mr.  Chairman,  we  agree  with  that.  I  would  also  like 
to  link  back  to  what  Mr.  Monks  said.  One  of  the  things  I  think  we'd 
like  to  do  is  not  answer  the  same  question  year  after  year.  We'd 
like  to  try  to  figure  out  what  are  the  recurring  questions  and  fix 
them,  so  that  we  don't  have  to  put  the  taxpayers  through  the  same 
problem  year  in  and  year  out. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  agree  with  that.  Now,  Mr.  Dolan,  when  I 
came  on  this  committee  and  we  worked  in  this  area,  we  had  an 
audit  rate  of  approximately  3  percent  as  I  remember  it.  That  may 
be  going  back  a  few  years.  It  went  from  3  to  2.  Last  year  it  was 
at  0.9,  I  think.  This  year  you  say  it's  going  to  be  0.91.  It's  going 
down. 

At  any  rate,  it  is  less  than  1  percent.  Is  that  a  satisfactory  figure 
for  you? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  No,  Mr,  Chairman,  it's  not. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  So  what  are  you  going  to  do  about  it? 

Mr.  Dolan.  A  couple  of  things.  Clearly  some  part  of  our  initiative 
this  year  is  based  on  enhancing  our  audit  experience.  But  the 
other,  and  I  think  we  have  had  a  conversation  about  part  of  this 
before,  is  back  when  the  audit  rates  were  at  3  and  4,  and  even  at 
5  percent,  that  was  before  the  matching  program.  That  was  before 
some  3  or  4  million  contacts  which  get  made  now  in  the  matching 
program  essentially  took  the  bottom  end  of  what  used  to  be  done 
in  the  examination  program. 

So,  while  the  0.91  or  the  1  percent  is  not  satisfactory  and  I'd  like 
it  to  be  more,  it  also  doesn't  represent  the  precipitous  erosion,  I 
think,  that  sometimes  people  think  it  is  because  of  the  introduction 
of  the  very  powerful  matching  capacity  that  we  have  in  the  pro- 
gram now. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  If  you  took  1  percent,  just  for  quick  calcula- 
tion, how  many  audits  would  that  mean  for  taxpayers  in  one  year? 

Mr.  Blattner.  One  percent  is  1  million  audits. 

Chairman  Pickle.  One  percent  is  roughly  1  million  audits.  Now 
you're  only  recommending  0.9.  Tell  me  again,  how  do  you  justify 
that?  Do  you  need  more  resources? 

Mr.  Dolan,  I  think,  Mr,  Chairman,  it's  again  a  question  of  where 
priorities  get  established.  We  could  use  more.  Within  what  we're 
given,  our  objective  is  to  use  it  the  best  possible  way.  So  you've 


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seen  a  steady  increase  of  our  devotion  of  resources  to  the  higher 
income  taxpayer.  The  initiative  we  have  on  the  table  with  you 
today  is  for  additional  examinations  above  the  $100,000  income 
level. 

That's  what  we  have  tried  to  do.  The  downside  of  that  is,  when 
you  examine  those  larger,  more  complicated  returns,  you  can't 
stamp  those  out  like  you  could  if  you  were  examining  $20,000- 
$30,000-a-year  wage  earner  tax  audits.  So  there's  a  tradeoff  in 
terms  of  how  many  you  can  get  to. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Now  I  want  to  shift  to  another  subject.  I 
think,  Mr.  Houghton,  I'll  go  ahead  with  that  and  then  recognize 
you. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Absolutely. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  In  the  area  of  the  nonfiler  program,  in  Sep- 
tember of  1992  the  IftS  implemented  a  nationwide  nonfiler  pro- 
gram. It  was  designed  to  bring  in  about  10  million  individuals  and 
businesses  who  have  failed  to  pay  taxes  back  into  the  system.  Ac- 
cording to  your  estimates,  more  than  $10  billion  in  tax  revenue  is 
lost  annually  due  to  nonfiling  of  Federal  income  tax  returns. 

You  have  assigned  more  than  2,000  IRS  revenue  agents  and  tax 
auditors  to  identify  nonfiler  cases.  I  know  that  you  put  a  great  deal 
of  hope — at  least  the  previous  Commissioner — on  the  implementa- 
tion of  this  program  and  we  hope  that  it  has  gone  well  and  will  go 
well.  I  want  to  ask  you  some  specific  questions  regarding  it. 

How  many  taxpayers  have  come  forward,  and  how  much  addi- 
tional revenue  has  been  collected?  Can  you  give  me  an  answer  for 
the  past  year? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  will  give  you  the  data  we  have.  I'll 
say  to  you  that  soon  I  hope  to  have  better  data,  because  what  we're 
doing  is  a  program  that  launched  at  the  beginning  of  the  fiscal 
year.  We  think  we  know  the  data  we  want  to  capture,  and  because 
of  the  newness  of  the  program  we  don't  have  it  all  captured  the 
way  we  want. 

We  did  this  as  a  three-pronged  approach.  We  did  the  outreach, 
we  did  the  examination  staff  years,  and  we  did  the  criminal  inves- 
tigation. 

In  the  outreach  area  was  where  we  had  done  something  fairly 
unconventional.  We  had  roughly  200,000  people  call  us  or  walk  into 
our  walk-on  sites  in  response  to  those  public  relations  kind  of  out- 
reaches.  What  we  know — and  we  can't  attribute  to  all  of  these  to 
this  by  any  means — is  that  during  the  first  5  months  of  fiscal  year 
1993,  we  secured  approximately  4.5  million  delinquent  returns. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Say  that  figure  again. 

Mr.  DoiAN.  4.5  million  delinquent  returns  came  in  during  the 
first  5  months  of  this  year.  I  do  not  attribute  all  of  that,  by  any 
means,  to  the  nonfiler  program,  because  some  people  on  a  regular 
basis  would  have  filed  a  late  return  whether  we  had  any  initiative 
underway  at  all. 

Below  that  though,  one  of  the  things  that  is  impressive  to  me  is 
that  over  100,000  of  the  people  who  did  come  in  were  people  that 
in  our  nomenclature  we  call  the  unknown  nonfiler.  That  is,  we  had 
no  record  of  them.  We  had  no  record  on  our  master  file  as  having 
filed.  We  didn't  have  information  documents.  So  those  are  people 


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that  I  am  hoping  and  assuming  we  have  found  a  way  to  get  to,  that 
in  past  matching  and  outreaches  we  haven't. 

The  examination  area  is  another  place  where  you  had  had  some 
interest  as  to  how  effective  would  we  be.  So  far  in  this  fiscal  year, 
we  have  completed  51,000  examinations.  And  on  average  what  we 
have  brought  in,  in  those  51,000,  is  $619  million  associated  with 
those  51,000  closures.  Now  that,  as  you  know,  is  part  of  a  2- 
year- 


Chairman  Pickle.  Of  the  51,000  examined,  what  was  the 
amount  of  money? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  $619  million. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Billion  or  million. 

Mr.  DoLAN,  Million.  I  wish  it  were  billion. 

Chairman  Pickle.  That's  still  impressive. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  What  I  would  suggest,  Mr.  Chairman,  is  the  other 
thing  that's  happened  is  we  have  had  excellent  cooperation  across 
a  wide  variety  of  interested  parties.  We've  had  the  practitioner 
community.  We've  had  an  awful  lot  of  local  media  involvement  and 
interest.  And  then  we've  had,  on  the  far  end  of  the  scale,  an  un- 
precedented cooperation  with  the  U.S.  attorneys  on  the  criminal 
side. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  In  calling  in  these  people  or  offering  them  to 
come  in  and  discuss,  does  the  IRS  choose  that  list?  Do  you  look 
over  your  files  and  determine  who  hasn't  filed  and  who  probably 
ought  to  be  filing? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Yes. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Did  you  prepare  the  list  and  invite  the  tax- 
payer to  come  in? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Yes,  we  do.  Of  course,  on  a  broad  gauge  basis,  we 
invite  everybody  who's  out  there  that  needs  to  get  right  to  come  in. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Do  you  invite  in  those  who  you  think  might 
want  to  come  back  into  the  system? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  The  examinations  that  we  do,  the  invitations  we 
send  out  to  come  in  and  talk  to  us — as  opposed  to  people  who  walk 
through  our  door  without  invitation — those  are  done  based  on  our 
analysis  of  the  highest  probability  of  a  return  being  due  and  tax 
being  owed. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  You  choose  kind  of  the  people  you  think  would 
be  good  possibilities. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  send  a  particularized  invitation,  yes. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Now  doesn't  the  taxpayer  who  doesn't  pay  his 
taxes,  he  gets  the  same  treatment  if  you  finally  catch  him.  So  you 
give  him  essentially  the  same  treatment,  don't  you? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  hope  we  give  everybody  the  same  treatment. 
Anybody  who  will  make  a  concentrated  effort  to  file  the  returns 
due  and  pay  the  money  owed  is  going  to  get  the  same  welcoming 
treatment  from  us. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Do  you  give  that  taxpayer  any  kind  of  assur- 
ance that  they  will  not  be  criminally  prosecuted  if  they  do  come  in 
and  reveal  their 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  have  tried,  Mr.  Chairman,  to  be  very  explicit  in 
every  way  we  know  how  about  reinforcing  what  our  longstanding 
tradition  has  been.  If  someone  comes  forward,  makes  an  accurate 


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return  and  makes  an  attempt  to  pay  what's  owed,  we  have  not,  nor 
will  we  prosecute  that  person. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Can  you  give  me  any  kind  of  estimate  of  how 
many  people  you  think  just  do  not  file,  and  don't  want  to  file,  and 
won't  file  a  return  on  an  annual  basis? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  At  this  point  I've  got  to  tell  you,  too  many.  I  can't 
tell  you  how  many  of  that — I  mean,  right  now  with  the  identifica- 
tion of  the  10  million  is  still  our  outer  parameter. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  There's  an  ongoing  argument,  I  assume,  about 
whether  the  individual  is  better  off  staying  out  of  the  system,  wait- 
ing till  he's  caught,  or  sued,  or  prosecuted,  than  it  is  if  he  just 
comes  forward.  Can  you  tell  me,  is  the  nonfiler  system  working 
well  enough  that  it  ought  to  be  expanded,  or  at  least  continued  on 
its  present  level? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  feel  very  much  that  it's  working  well.  When  we 
first  came  into  this  and  we  first  described  it  to  you,  we  described 
it  as  a  2-year  investment  of  resources  and  examination,  and  rough- 
ly that  same  sort  of  investment  in  outreach.  The  early  results,  the 
5  or  6  months  into  the  first  year  of  it  very  much  convince  us  that 
it's  an  endeavor  worth  continuing. 

Chairman  Pickle.  What's  your  policy  with  regard  to  waiving 
civil  penalties  on  those  who  come  forward?  Is  this  policy  being  uni- 
formly applied? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  believe  it  is  and  hope  that  it  is.  We're  basically 
using  the  reasonable  cause  standard  as  the  basis  on  which  someone 
can  apply  for  relief  against  a  failure  to  file  or  a  failure  to  pay  pen- 
alty. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  I'm  going  to  have  some  other  questions  per- 
haps in  this  area,  and/or  we  may  be  submitting  additional  ques- 
tions to  you.  We're  interested  in  knowing  exactly  how  this  nonfiler 
program  has  worked.  I  know  you  have  great  anticipation  of  it  work- 
ing, and  if  we  can  get  people  back  in  the  system  that  is  to  our  cred- 
it and  helps  protect  our  system. 

If  we  don't  do  something,  I'm  afraid  we're  going  to  find  that  more 
and  more  people,  with  regard  to  the  percentage  of  compliance,  that 
we're  just  slipping  away.  IRS  has  got  a  tremendous  challenge 
ahead  of  it.  The  American  people  may  be  facing  a  decision  within 
the  next  few  years  of  either  going  forward  or  making  big  changes. 
So  what  we  do  down  there  in  the  IRS  has  a  great  deal  to  do  with 
what  we,  the  Congress,  or  what  the  people  decide,  I  think. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  agree,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  PlCKlJ-:.  Mr.  Houghton,  would  you  like  to  ask  other 
questions? 

Mr.  Houghton.  Yes,  I'd  like  to  ask  the  question,  how  many  peo- 
ple in  this  room  are  working  for  the  IRS?  Would  you  raise  your 
hands? 

[Show  of  hands.] 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you  very  much.  Mr.  Dolan,  I'd  like  to  ask 
you  a  question.  I've  never  understood  the  expense  versus  capital 
Dudgeting  portion  of  any  Government  agency  down  here.  However, 
you  mentioned  that  through  your  TSM  programs  through  the  year 
2008 — this  is  in  your  testimony — that  you  would  be  investing  al- 
most $8  billion  above  the  projected  15  or  16  cost  to  operate.  Yet  I 


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see  here,  in  terms  of  1994  fiscal  year,  $121  million  drop  in  equip- 
ment purchases.  Maybe  you  can  help  me  on  that. 

Mr.  DOLAN.  If  you  wouldn't  mind,  I  think  maybe  Mr.  Philcox  can 
give  you  a  more  particularized  answer. 

Mr.  Philcox.  Mr.  Houghton,  that's  largely  because  of  the  fact 
that  we  bought  a  great  deal  of  equipment  in  this  year,  in  1993,  and 
the  money  that  we  spent  for  that  was  all  obligated  and  does  not 
recur.  So  that  money  was  backed  out  of  the  budget  as  nonrecur 
money. 

We  will  be  buying  additional  computer  equipment  in  1994,  but 
what  we  put  in  1993  was  an  extensive  replacement  of  all  of  the 
equipment  that  we  had  in  each  of  our  service  centers  to  sustain  our 
current  applications  throughout  the  modernization  period.  So  it 
was  an  extraordinary  expenditure. 

Mr.  Houghton.  It  seems  to  bob  around  a  lot;  awfully  lot  for 
somebodv  like  myself  to  track.  You  get  $200  million  one  year,  and 
you  get  $440  million  another  year,  and  then  you  go  down  to  a  nega- 
tive figure.  I  don't  know,  if  you've  got  an  $8  billion  program,  it 
seems  sort  of  a  seismic  way  of  going  about  it. 

Mr.  Philcox.  Part  of  the  reason  is  the  fact  that  you  no  longer 
can  lease  to  purchase  in  Government.  I  think  several  years  ago  the 
process  was  changed  so  that  on  any  capital  investment  in  computer 
equipment  you  had  to  expend  and  obligate  the  funds  in  the  year 
in  which  you  were  making  the  initial  purchase.  Even  though  the 
installation  of  that  equipment  might  last  over  a  period  of  years,  the 
money  had  to  be  obligated  on  the  front  end.  I  think  that  was  the 
result  of  the  budget  agreement  that  was  drawn  between  the  Bush 
administration  and  the  Congress. 

For  those  reasons,  you  will  see  peaks  and  valleys  in  terms  of 
equipment  purchase  in  the  budgeting  process.  We  do  work  those 
very  extensively  with  0MB  and  would  be  happy  to  provide  you 
with  that  detail  that  would  show  you  where  the  pluses  and 
minuses  are. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  I  think,  Mr.  Houghton,  you  may  be  experiencing  the 
discomfort  of  your  training.  I  think,  as  you  point  out  as  an  account- 
ant, the  budget  is  prepared  always  with  reference  to  the  base,  as 
opposed  to  looking  at  the  capital  expenditures  maybe  more  like 
what  you  would  have  been  accustomed  to  seeing. 

I  think  both  with  respect  to  communicating  about  them  and  fol- 
lowing the  progress  of  a  venture  that's  as  long  term  as  ours,  it  is 
a  more  arcane  experience  to  try  to  wind  your  way  through,  particu- 
larly when  it's  in  an  appropriation  that  ebbs  and  flows,  with  ref- 
erence both  to  the  capital  investment  and  the  recurring,  "keep  the 
747  flying"  kind  of  expenses  our  organization  as  well.  So  I  think 
that  may  be  one  part  of  what  the  difficulty  is. 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  understand  that,  you  count  differently.  As  a 
matter  of  fact,  one  of  the  frustrations  I  had  as  being  part  of  the 
Grace  Commission,  we  really  had  to  reconstruct  the  figures  of  the 
various  agencies  we  were  looking  at  because  we  couldn't  under- 
stand them. 

But  here  you  have  an  inflation  adjustment  figure  of  $153  million 
in  your  budget.  I  would  think  that,  plus  at  least  keeping  yourself 
even  with  the  equipment  purchases  would  go  a  long  way  toward 


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digging  into  this  $8  billion  requirement  you've  got  by  the  year 
2000-and-whatever-it-is. 

Let  me  ask  you  another  question.  It's  a  sort  of  a  larger  issue. 
This  is  a  very  big  service.  There  are  lots  of  moneys  involved.  Why 
isn't  it  reasonable  for  us — ^you  had  about  a  9  percent  increase  in 
1993  over  1992.  You  got  about  a  4  percent  increase  in  1994  over 
1993.  Why  isn't  it  reasonable  for  us  to  just  say,  freeze  this  for  1 
year;  no  increase? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  Why  is  it  not  unreasonable?  I  guess  a  couple  of 
things  that  I  would  argue  would  go  into  your  formula  about  wheth- 
er irs  reasonable  or  not.  One  is,  probably  three-quarters  or  more 
of  our  total  costs  are  people  costs,  and  absent  something  interven- 
ing with  the  normal  cycle  that  accounts  for  pay  raises,  health  pre- 
mium increases,  and  for  greater  numbers  of  people  taking  advan- 
tage of  the  matching  option  on  the  retirement  system,  those  are 
costs  that  have  to  be  met.  If  zero  was  your  line,  your  choice  would 
obviously  be  to  offer  substantially  less  service  if  you  couldn't  match 
at  least  those  costs. 

Mr.  Houghton.  But  if  I  understand  it,  Mr.  Dolan — I'm  not  trying 
to  be  nasty  here. 

Mr.  Dolan.  No,  that's  fine. 

Mr.  Houghton.  I'm  merely  trying  to  probe.  If  I  understand  it, 
that  is  because  of  this  program  you  have  for  modernization,  im- 
proving quality  and  greater  productivity,  that  you  ought  to  be  tak- 
ing gulps  out  of  the  budget  so  that  you  just  don't  stay  at  a  particu- 
lar fixed  number  as  far  as  people  or  whatever  you're  looking  at. 

Mr.  Dolan.  I  would  say  that  if  we  were  talking  about  that  purely 
theoretically,  I  would  agree  with  you.  But  when  we're  talking  about 
it  in  a  context  of  40  percent  of  the  people  who  are  trying  to  get  to 
us  on  the  other  end  of  a  telephone  call  aren't  getting  to  us,  when 
we're  talking  about  it  as  $127  billion  plus  or  minus  as  being  on  the 
table  in  a  tax  gap  and  us  examining  1  percent,  I  suspect  from  the 
point  of  view  of  the  viability  of  the  business,  of  what  you  want  us 
to  be  about,  you  do  have  the  choice  of  saying,  take  your  efficiency 
and  let  your  head  count  come  down.  Or  you  say,  take  your  effi- 
ciency and  apply  it  against  parts  of  your  mission  that  you're  not 
now  able  to  get  to.  I  mean,  that's  clearly  the  role  of  oversight  and 
clearly  the  role  of  policymakers. 

I  guess  there  are  a  couple  of  other  things  that  people  don't  often 
understand  about  our  budget.  In  terms  of  printing  and  postage,  we 
are  one  of  the  big  players  in  both  of  those  markets  in  terms  or  mass 
bulk  postage  and  mass  printing.  Those  prices  also  rise  at  a  level 
that,  if  somebody  says  to  us  zero  growth,  we  are  at  the  mercy  of 
market  forces  that  are  not  foreign  to  anybody. 

And  in  the  telecommunications  world,  we  have  got  such  an 
imbedded  telecommunications  need  because  of  both  voice  and  data 
needs,  when  you  identify  four  or  five  of  those  things,  the  costs  con- 
form to  market  forces.  It's  a  very  difficult  proposition  to  take  just 
the  fiat  zero  growth  without  having  it  erode  performance  in  ways 
that  I  think  would  be  unsatisfactory  to  you. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Now  you  sound  just  the  way  I  did  when  I  used 
to  defend  my  budget.  It's  all  very  logical,  and  I  in  no  way  want  to 
criticize  the  IRS  because  you  do  a  superb  job.  However,  there  are 


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severe  questions  out  in  the  real  world  that  we  go  back  to  every 
weekend. 

And  I  would  imagine  that  maybe  a  group  or  a  single  individual 
amongst  these  thousands  of  people  you  have  might  be  saying,  sup- 
pose the  Ways  and  Means  Committee  under  the  chairman  here 
asked  us  to  take  $1  billion  out  of  our  budget  in  the  next  3  years, 
what  would  we  do?  I  mean,  would  it  be  absolutely  impossible? 
Would  we  curtail  some  services?  Would  we  have  to  reorient  prior- 
ities? Would  we,  in  effect,  because  the  knife  is  coming  down  from 
another  part,  really  have  to  do  a  simplification  and  updating  at  a 
far  faster  speed  than  we  wanted? 

Mr.  DOLAN.  I  think,  Mr.  Houghton,  we  ask  ourselves  those  kind 
of  questions  on  some  regular  kind  of  basis.  I  think  where  we  find 
ourselves  is  in  a  process  that  is  by  definition  incremental.  We're 
here  annually  to  talk  about  annual  budgets.  We  have  200  million 
customers  that  we  know  are  going  to  come  at  us  annually  in  a 
cycle.  We  aren't  going  to  control  much.  We've  got  75  million  people 
who  are  going  to  make  contact  with  us  on  a  cycle  that  we  can't  con- 
trol. 

So,  it  is  clearly  possible  for  us  like  everybody  else,  and  should  be 
mandatory  for  us  like  everybody  else,  to  draw  back  far  enough  to 
ask  the  basic  questions.  One  of  the  questions  we  ask  about  the  75 
million  people  trying  to  get  to  us  is:  What  can  we  do  to  make  25 
million  of  those  calls  go  away?  Can  we  simplify  forms?  Can  we  sim- 
plify publications?  Can  we  make  the  transactions  with  the  IRS  dry 
up?  If  not,  can  we  get  every  last  body  on  board  to  answer  every 
call?  But  can  we  take  the  kind  of  proactive  stuff  that  makes  deal- 
ing with  us  more  simple? 

The  5  million  calls  that  we  solved  on-line  are  calls  that  here- 
tofore would  have  come  in  and  we  would  have  said,  you've  got  to 
write  the  service  center.  And  once  you  write  the  service  center, 
we'll  put  you  in  inventory,  and  we'll  correspond  a  couple  of  times. 
Two  million  more  this  year  than  last  got  it  resolved  at  the  end  of 
a  telephone  call.  And  on  the  end  of  that  telephone  call  they  prob- 
ably had  an  installment  agreement  against  which  they  could  make 
payments  immediately,  and  not  wait  for  6  months  of  transactions 
back  and  forth. 

So  we  know  we've  got  to  rise  to  those  challenges,  Mr.  Houghton. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Right.  If  I  could  just  take  a  second  longer,  Mr. 
Chairman,  there's  an  interaction  here  that  I  think  is  important. 
This  really  is  keyed  off  of  maybe  the  possibility  of  a  value-added 
tax.  I  mean,  that  is  really  going  to  be  complicated.  I  don't  know 
how  you're  going  to  handle  it. 

But  it  would  seem  to  me,  I  don't  hear  the  types  of  things  coming 
from  your  organization — and  maybe  it's  because  I'm  not  listening 
to  the  right  people — that  say,  if  you  want  this,  this  is  what  it's 
going  to  cost.  However,  if  you  do  this,  this,  and  this,  we  could  elimi- 
nate vast  amounts  of  expenses  now  which  are  really  following 
through  on  the  laws  which  you're  legislating.  I  don't  see  any  of  that 
feedback.  Frankly,  if  you're  going  to  get  this  behemoth  of  a  system, 
our  governmental  system  under  control,  that  has  to  happen. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Mr.  Houghton,  I  think  that's  a  fair  exhortation  to  us. 
I  think  it's  one  that  we  will  take  seriously  and  I  would  expect  you 


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to  hear  from  us  later  in  that  context  of  how  things  might  be  done 
significantly  different. 

Mr.  Houghton.  Thank  you. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Houghton, 

Now  Mr.  Dolan,  the  General  Accounting  Office  has  submitted  to 
us  a  study  about  your  operations  and  their  concerns.  GAO  is  spe- 
cifically concerned  about  the  new  compliance  initiatives.  They  are 
concerned  that  you  don't  have  adequate  staffing  possibly  in  that 
area.  They've  got  serious  questions  about  the  accounts  receivable 
initiative.  It's  growing  at  a  certain  rate,  and  how  much  is  actually 
receivable  and  so  forth. 

I'm  going  to,  for  the  record,  include  the  GAO's  study  on  the  IRS 
budget  request  for  fiscal  year  1994  so  that  it  would  be  made  a  part 
of  the  record.  So  I'm  going  to  include  that  and  then  you'll  be  get- 
ting a  copy  of  it  too  directly  from  us  and  GAO. 

Mr.  Dolan.  Thank  vou. 

[The  information  follows:] 


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United  States  General  Accoiinting  OfPce 


Fact  Sheet  for  the  Chairman 
Subcommittee  on  Oversight 
Committee  on  Ways  and  Means 
House  of  Representatives 


April  1993 


TAX  ADMINISTRATION 

Examples  of  Waste  and  Inefficiency 
in  IRS 


dAO/GGD-93-lOOFS 


Printed  copies  of  this  document  will  be  available  shortly. 


GAO  FwB  171  (1S/S7) 


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United  States 

General  Accounting  Office 

Washington,  D.C.  20548 


General  Government  Division 
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April    27,    1993 


The  Honorable  J.J.  Pickle 
Chairman,  Subcommittee  on  Oversight 
Committee  on  Ways  and  Means 
House  of  Representatives 

Dear  Mr.  Chairman: 

This  fact  sheet,  prepared  in  response  to  your  request, 
provides  specific  examples  of  waste,  inefficiency,  and  abuse 
in  the  Internal  Revenue  Service  (IRS).   In  our  April  30, 
1992,  testimony  on  IRS'  fiscal  year  1993  budget  request,  we 
noted  that  much  unproductive  work  and  rework,  necessitated 
in  large  part  by  obsolete  processes  and  systems,  occur  in 
IRS.' 

Other  information  requested  in  your  letter  will  be  reported 
separately. 

OBJECTIVE,  SCOPE.  AND  METHODOLOGY 

Our  objective  was  to  document  examples  of  waste, 
inefficiency,  and  abuse  in  IRS.   To  do  so,  we  primarily 
reviewed  our  prior  reports  and  reports  prepared  by  IRS' 
Internal  Audit  Division  and  the  Department  of  the  Treasury's 
Office  of  Inspector  General.   We  also  reviewed  congressional 
hearings  and  various  studies  and  other  documents  prepared  by 
and  for  IRS.   These  included  documents  relating  to  IRS'  Tax 
Systems  Modernization  (TSM)  effort,  including  the  public 
version  of  the  TSM  Design  Master  Plan,  the  National  Research 
Council's  1992  report  on  its  review  of  TSM,  and  various 
business  area  analyses  done  by  IRS. 

To  avoid  outdated  examples,  we  limited  our  review  of  reports 
to  those  issued  after  August  1,  1990.   Also,  in  compiling 
the  list,  we  excluded  examples  that  we  believed,  based  on 
our  ongoing  work  in  the  tax  administration  area,  were  no 


'Tax  Administration:   IRS'  Budget  Request  for  Fiscal  Year 
1993  (GAO/T-GGD-92-34,  Apr.  30,  1992). 


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longer  valid.   Even  so,  some  of  the  deficiencies  noted  in  these 
more  recent  reports  may  have  been  corrected  since  the  reports 
were  issued.   In  preparing  this  fact  sheet,  we  did  not  attempt  to 
determine  the  extent  the  deficiencies  in  the  examples  presented 
in  this  report  still  exist. 

Most  of  the  effects  listed  in  this  fact  sheet  and  appendixes  were 
taken  from  the  cited  documents.   In  some  cases,  however,  we  added 
potential  effects  based  on  our  knowledge  of  the  issue.   Those 
instances  are  identified  by  an  asterisk  (*). 

We  did  our  work  between  August  1992  and  March  1993  in  accordance 
with  generally  accepted  government  auditing  standards. 

RESULTS  IN  BRIEF 

Our  review  of  reports  and  other  documents  revealed  many  examples 
of  waste  and  inefficiency  and  several  of  abuse  or  employee 
misconduct  in  IRS.   These  examples  are  listed  in  appendix  I.   We 
believe  that  many  of  the  examples  derive  from  IRS'  antiquated 
computer  systems,  fragmented  organizational  structure,  and 
inefficient  work  processes. 

Although  the  instances  of  waste  and  inefficiency  described  in 
appendixes  I  through  V  involved  increased  costs  and/or  decreased 
revenues,  the  amount  of  those  costs  and  revenues  was  generally 
not  quantified  in  the  source  documents.   In  those  examples  where 
the  cost  or  lost  revenue  was  quantified,  the  amounts  totaled 
about  $87  million.   In  some  cases,  the  dollar  effect  was 
calculated  on  the  basis  of  audit  work  at  a  few  IRS  locations.   If 
those  results  are  representative  of  the  same  function  throughout 
IRS,  the  dollar  implications  could  be  much  larger.   In  addition, 
some  of  the  examples  for  which  there  is  no  dollar  effect  cited, 
such  as  those  dealing  with  IRS'  returns  processing  system  and  its 
collection  process,  could  have  potentially  large  savings 
associated  with  them.   Also,  many  examples  indicated  that  a 
failure  to  eliminate  the  causes  of  the  waste,  inefficiency,  and 
abuse  will  erode  taxpayer  confidence  in  IRS  and  diminish 
voluntary  compliance  with  the  tax  system,  further  increasing 
revenue  loss . 

IRS  is  aware  of  these  problems.   In  its  TSM  documentation,  for 
example,  IRS  identified  many  of  the  problems  that  contribute  to 
its  inefficiency.   Along  with  modernizing  its  systems  under  TSM, 
IRS  is  reassessing  the  roles  and  responsibilities  of  its  various 
organizational  components.   When  TSM  and  related  organizational 
changes  are  fully  implemented,  many  of  the  inefficiencies 
discussed  in  this  fact  sheet  should  be  alleviated,  thus  improving 


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IRS'  overall  effectiveness.   We  will  continue  to  monitor  the 
progress  of  those  efforts. 


We  are  sending  copies  of  this  fact  sheet  to  various  congressional 
committees,  the  Secretary  of  the  Treasury,  the  Commissioner  of 
Internal  Revenue,  and  other  interested  parties.   Copies  will  be 
made  available  to  others  upon  request. 

The  major  contributors  to  this  fact  sheet  are  listed  in  appendix 
VI.   Please  contact  me  on  (202)  512-5407  if  you  or  your  staff 
have  any  questions. 

Sincerely  yours, 

itj6M^v_v  J.   /xh^i^^^^ 

Jennie  S.  Stathis 
Director,  Tax  Policy  and 
Administration  Issues 


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CONTENTS 


LETTER 

APPENDIXES 

I 


EXAMPLES  OF  WASTE,  INEFFICIENCY,  AND 
ABUSE  IN  IRS  FROM  IRS  INTERNAL  AUDIT 
REPORTS  AND  DOCUMENTS 


II 


EXAMPLES  OF  WASTE,  INEFFICIENCY,  AND 
ABUSE  IN  IRS  FROM  DEPARTMENT  OF  THE 
TREASURY'S  OFFICE  OF  INSPECTOR 
GENERAL  REPORTS 


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III 


EXAMPLES  OF  WASTE,  INEFFICIENCY,  AND 
ABUSE  IN  IRS  FROM  GAO  REPORTS 


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EXAMPLES  OF  WASTE,  INEFFICIENCY,  AND 
ABUSE  IN  IRS  FROM  IRS  STUDIES 
AND  DOCUMENTS 


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VI 


EXAMPLES  OF  WASTE,  INEFFICIENCY,  AND 
ABUSE  IN  IRS  FROM  OTHER  STUDIES 
AND  CONGRESSIONAL  HEARINGS 

MAJOR  CONTRIBUTORS  TO  THIS  FACT  SHEET 


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ABBREVIATIONS 

Automated  Labor  and  Employee  Relations  Tracking 

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Automated  Regional  Training  System 
Internal  Revenue  Service 

Internal  Security  Management  Information  System 
Office  of  Inspector  General 
Tax  Systems  Modernization 


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Taxpayers'  rights  are  violated 
because  information  on  taxpayer 
accounts  is  maintained  in  an 
unpublished  system  which  could 
subject  IRS  to  possible 
litigation. 

Potential  exists  for  lost  revenue 
of  more  than  the  $71,000  in  the 
sample  reviewed. 

Additional  cost  to  resolve 
taxpayer  problems  resulting  from 
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information  for  its  criminal 
Investigations.   Information  is 
kept  in  the  Case  Management  and 
Time  Reporting  System  and  in 
project  files.   Not  all 
information  can  be  pulled  from 
the  project  files  and  often 
files  cannot  be  found. 

At  the  two  service  centers 
reviewed,  the  candling  process 
used  to  check  envelope  contents 
did  not  adequately  ensure  that 
all  contents  had  been  removed 
from  envelopes  before  they  were 
discarded.   Internal  Audit 
found  45  documents  in  the 
55,000  envelopes  reviewed, 
including  11  checks.   This 
sample  represented  about  1 
hour's  work  from  both  centers 
during  the  filing  season. 

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treatment  of  taxpayers. 

--  Additional  cost  incurred  by  other 
IRS  functions  to  correct  errors. 

--  Potential  exists  for  lost  revenue 
if  interest  assessments  are 
undercharged. 

--  IRS  could  save  an  estimated 
$538,000  annually. 

--  IRS  could  reduce  lost  tax  revenues 
from  erroneously  claimed  pension- 
related  deductions.   (Internal 
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Interest  on  certain  taxpayer 
accounts  must  sometimes  be 
manually  calculated. 
Processing  of  these  accounts 
(known  as  restricted  Interest 
accounts)  is  fragmented  among 
several  service  center  units, 
branches,  and  divisions.   In 
addition,  interest  charges  were 
not  being  properly  assessed. 
Instructions  for  handling  these 
accounts  and  assessing  Interest 
are  not  contained  in  one 
handbook  and  vary  in  quality. 

Processing  of  employee  benefit 
plan  returns  could  be  further 
improved  if  IRS  took  steps  to 
( 1 )  reduce  and  Improve 
correspondence,  (2)  eliminate 
unnecessary  processing  steps, 
and  (3)  enhance  computer 
programs  to  identify  erroneous 
pension-related  deductions  on 
Forms  1040. 

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--  IRS'  costs  for  automated  data 

processing  contracting  support  may 
be  higher  than  necessary. 

--  Contract  cost  proposals  were 

accepted  for  amounts  higher  than 
required  in  the  contract. 

-  IRS  inconsistently  handled 

reimbursement  of  contractor  travel 
costs  and  may  have  overpaid  these 
costs. 

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from  IRS  pursuing  unproductive 
cases. 

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Contract  administration 
controls  need  improvement  in 
the  Automated  Data  Processing 
Support  Services  Contract  to 
ensure  services  are  obtained  at 
the  most  advantageous  cost  to 
the  government  and  in 
accordance  with  acquisition 
regulations.   Internal  Audit 
found  that  the  software  used  to 
evaluate  contract  cost 
proposals  was  used  Incorrectly 
and  that  market  surveys  were 
not  required  for  certain 
proposals . 

Of  the  underreporter  cases 
pursued  by  two  service  centers 
for  tax  year  1987,  51  percent 
could  have  been  excluded  with 
better  procedures  and  computer 
programs.   By  working  these 
cases,  staff  were  not  able  to 
work  more  productive  cases. 

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--  Revenue  loss  of  about  $87,000  from 
the  sample  reviewed  for  interest 
not  earned  on  funds  not  deposited 
in  a  timely  manner. 

--  Potential  exists  for  unnecessary 
taxpayer  correspondence  and 
additional  IRS  work  in  responding 
to  that  correspondence. 

--  Taxpayers  could  be  treated 
inconsistently. * 

--  IRS  could  be  held  liable  for 

taking  actions  (i.e.,  not  abating 
tax  assessments)  in  violation  of 
the  bankruptcy  code. 

--  IRS  may  be  required  to  do 
additional  work  to  make 
abatements . * 

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A  review  of  one  service 
center's  deposit  function 
identified  inadequate  controls 
over  the  processing  of 
payments.   Instead  of 
depositing  remittances  by  the 
next  business  day  if  $10,000  or 
less  or  on  the  same  day  if  over 
$10,000,  about  5  percent  of  the 
remittances  sampled  took  3  or 
more  days  to  be  deposited  (an 
average  of  11  days). 

IRS  violated  the  Bankruptcy 
Code  in  one  district  by  failing 
to  identify  and  abate 
assessments  of  taxes, 
penalties,  and  interest  that 
had  been  posted  to  the  master 
file  in  8  of  66  cases  reviewed 
where  the  taxpayers  had 
initiated  bankruptcy 
proceedings. 

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--  Some  returns  did  not  get  properly 
screened  prior  to  the  refund 
deletion  deadline,  which  could 
result  in  erroneous  refunds. 

-  Recovering  fraudulent  refunds 
after  they  are  issued  results  in 
additional  costs;  some  of  the 
refunds  might  never  be  recovered. 

-  Potential  exists  for  inconsistent 
treatment  of  taxpayers. 

Resources  are  inefficiently  used. 

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Discrepancies  were  found  in  one 
service  center's  controls  for 
tracking  outstanding  returns 
ordered  by  the  Questionable 
Refund  Detection  Team. 
Internal  Audit's  analysis 
showed  7  percent  of  the  returns 
were  outstanding  while  the 
service  center  log  showed  17 
percent. 

Collection's  employment  tax 
adjustment  program  did  not 
establlBh  a  mlnlmura  tolerance 
level  for  screening  out 
proposed  assessment  cases  which 
are  not  cost-effective  tc 
pursue.   Of  the  cases  sampled, 
43  percent  would  not  have  been 
pursued  had  training  manual 
criteria  for  screening  out 
unproductive  cases  been 
applied. 

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--  When  money  is  not  promptly 

deposited,  the  U.S.  government 
cannot  use  the  money  to  help  pay 
current  obligations.   Thus  the 
amount  of  interest  paid  by  the 
government  increases. 

--  Significant  backlogs  of  mismatched 
appeals  cases  have  accumulated  in 
several  Appeals  offices. 

--  Potential  exists  for  revenue 

increase  of  about  $5  million  from 
implementing  proper  internal 
controls. 

--  Research  is  duplicated  for  repeat- 
case  discrepancies. 

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Criminal  investigation  seizure 
procedures  require  seized  money 
to  be  deposited  into  a  Federal 
Reserve  Bank  account  promptly. 
In  five  of  seven  seizures 
reviewed  in  one  district,  funds 
were  stored  in  safe  deposit 
boxes  from  7  to  57  workdays 
before  being  deposited  in  an 
account.   In  another  district, 
checks  for  more  than  $230,000 
were  stored  in  a  safe  deposit 
box  for  about  4  months. 

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guidelines  for  controlling  the 
inventory  of  appeals  cases. 
Existing  guidelines  do  not 
require  physical  inventories  or 
include  comprehensive 
procedures  for  resolving  case 
discrepancies  identified 
through  a  computerized 
comparison  of  cases  in  two 
databases.   Inventory  control 
problems  exist  even  when  there 
are  no  discrepancies  between 
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controls  could  result  in 
increased  risk  of  theft, 
waste,  and  misplacement  of 
the  equipment. 

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assurance  that  all 
equipment  was  properly 
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waste  could  occur  if 
management  decided  to 
purchase  equipment  on  the 
basis  of  inaccurate 
Inventory  data. 

--  Potential  for  abuse  and 
inefficiency  with  the  use 
of  ALERTS. 

--  ALERTS  was  not  meeting  the 
IRS  goal  of  promoting 
consistency  of  discipline 
throughout  the  agency. 

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Inspector's  investigative  equipment, 
the  Office  of  Inspector  General 
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found  that  while  physical 
inventories  of  the  equipment  were 
conducted  at  the  end  of  the  fiscal 
year,  the  equipment  on  hand  did  not 
always  match  the  official  inventory. 

In  a  review  of  the  implementation  of 
IRS*  Ethics  Action  Plan,  OIG  found 
that  during  a  3-month  period  in  1991 
about  19  percent  of  the  IRS  regional 
and  district  offices  had  not  either 
entered  and/or  updated  cases  in  the 
Automated  Labor  and  Employee 
Relations  Tracking  System  (ALERTS). 
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provide  supervisors  with  a  periodic 
report  of  case  activity. 

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--  Increased  costs  incurred  to  do 
something  manually  that  could  be 
done  by  computer.* 

--  Inefficient  use  of  resources. 

--   Many  instances  of  duplication  of 
effort,  revalidating  and  rekeying 
payment  amounts . 

--  Problems  with  the  use  of  coupons 
include  errors  from  incorrect 
entries  on  the  coupons  or  coupons 
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transcribed  from  returns  during 
processing.  Statistics  of  Income 
receives  from  the  master  file 
only  14  percent  of  the  data 
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about  50  percent  of  the  data 
needed  for  individual  returns. 
The  remaining  information  must  be 
manually  edited  and  transcribed. 
In  fiscal  year  1991,  152.9  staff 
years  were  budgeted  for  this 
purpose. 

IRS*  financial  management 
processing  operation  is  a 
patchwork  of  manual,  labor- 
intensive  procedures  and  stand- 
alone computer  systems,  all  of 
which  is  supported  by  a  massive 
paper  environment.   Coupons 
completed  by  taxpayers  or  banks 
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the  deposits. 

Potential  for  IRS  to  incur 
additional  costs  while  responding 
to  taxpayer  inquiries  about  their 
payments . 

Error  rate  increases 
significantly  with  manual  input. 

Processing  delays  create  problems 
for  taxpayers  who  must  then 
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the  time  delay  from  when  the 
taxpayer  makes  the  deposit  until 
the  deposit  is  credited  to  a 
Treasury  account  and  classified. 
The  deposit  float  is  typically  1 
day,  allowing  the  depositaries 
rather  than  Treasury  to  benefit 
from  1  day's  worth  of  interest 
income.   The  classification 
process  adds  another  3  days. 

Some  stand-alone  computer  systems 
are  effective  in  accomplishing 
their  (unctions  timely,  reducing 
the  volume  of  paper  documents  and 
errors  within  these  systems. 
However,  these  systems  are  not 
integrated  and  they  require 
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screen  input  and  tape  loading. 

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must  be  processed  manually,  which 
can  take  up  to  6  weeks.   The  most 
common  transaction  type  that  must 
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IRS  Systems 

Architecture 

Concepts  of 

Operation  for 

Tax 

Publ ications 

and  Forms 

Distribution 

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--  Redundant  information  is 
maintained  in  each  region's 
database. 

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System  (ARTS),  the  current 
nationwide  training  system,  does 
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system.   It  does  not  interface 
with  the  automated  personnel 
systems  to  enable  trainers  to 
plan  training  for  new  hires. 
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ARTS  that  was  customized  to  suit 
its  needs.   The  regions  are 
dependent  on  the  host  system. 
Access  to  ARTS  is  not  available 
to  all  organizations. 

Requests  for  'ax  forms  received 
at  district  office  toll  free  call 
sites  are  handled  through  a 
manual  paper  process.   To  process 
such  a  request,  the  Taxpayer 
Service  telephone  assistor 
manually  completes  an  Internal 
IRS  form  showing  the  requester's 
name  and  address  and  the  tax 
forms  and  publications  requested. 
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APPENDIX  VI  APPENDIX  VI 

MAJOR  CONTRIBUTORS  TO  THIS  FACT  SHEET 

GENERAL  GOVERNMENT  DIVISION,  WASHINGTON,  D.C. 

David  Attianese,  Assistant  Director,  Tax  Policy  and 

Administration  Issues 
Ellen  Wineholt,  Evaluator-in-Charge 
Carrie  Watkins,  Evaluator 
Monika  Niemann,  Evaluator 
Barbara  Brown,  Secretary 
Judy  Lanham,  Secretary 


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253 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  Now  I  want  to  ask  you  a  broader  question. 
April  15  has  just  passed.  How  is  the  fihng  season  going  now? 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Mr.  Chairman,  we  were  holding  our  breath  because, 
I  think  as  you  know,  the  receipt  pattern  was  very  much  later  this 
year  than  it  ever  has  been  in  the  past.  We  were  concerned  that  the 
effect  of  the  change  in  withholding  had  basically  had  us,  all  filing 
season  long,  somewhere  in  the  4  to  6  percent  behind  where  we 
should  have  been. 

So  we  had  two  things  that  we  thought  could  happen.  One  was 
we  could  have  a  lot  of  these  people  decide  that  because  they  owed 
money  they  wouldn't  file.  The  other  was  they  would  all  file  in  the 
last  week. 

Thankfully,  the  second  of  those  occurred.  We  do  appear  to  have 
essentially  caught  up  in  the  last  week  of  the  filing  season.  We  don't 
yet  know  all  the  details;  we  haven't  yet  accounted  for  all  the  re- 
ceipts. We  anticipated  in  the  last  3  or  4  days  after  April  15  that 
as  much  as  $68  billion  would  come  in  as  part  of  amounts  due  on 
balance  due  returns.  We  will  know  within  the  next  couple  of  days 
how  close  that  projection  was. 

But  our  volume  projections  look  like  we  essentially  caught  up 
and  got  what  we  expected  by  way  of  filings  in  those  last  3  or  4  days 
of  the  filing  season. 

Chairman  Pickle.  You're  telling  me  then  that  essentially  the  fil- 
ing system  is  going  on  schedule  and  about  the  same  as  last  year. 
At  least  you're  not  dropping  back  as  you  feared  you  might  do. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  We  put  as  much  strain  on  the  system  as  we  ever 
want  to  in  that  last  week.  That  is  not  the  ideal  way  for  us  to  have 
to  receive  the  returns  or  account  for  the  payments.  But  the  good 
news  is  that  it  does  not  appear  that  we  had  any  major  fall-off  in 
filing  this  year. 

Chairman  PlCKiJC.  With  all  the  addition  of  new  equipment  under 
the  TSM  program,  do  you  anticipate  that  you  will  be  laying  off  peo- 
ple in  the  IRS? 

Mr.  Doij\N.  I  think  what  we  anticipate,  Mr.  Chairman,  is  a  se- 
ries of  redeployments  involving  parts  of  the  organization  that  now 
have  the  introduction  of  some  technology.  Two  things  will  probably 
happen.  Either  that  person  will  have  to  be  retrained  to  be  able  to 
work  in  concert  with  that  technology,  or  it  may  well  be  that  fewer 
people  will  be  needed  for  part  of  the  business,  and  they  will  be  re- 
trained for  another  part  of  the  business.  That  is  our  approach  to 
taking  care  of  our  human  resource. 

Chairman  Pickij-:.  The  rumor  keeps  floating  back  to  us  that  In- 
ternal Revenue  will  need  less  district  offices  or  regional  offices  and 
that  some  of  the  IRS  service  centers  throughout  the  country  will 
be  closed  down.  Do  you  anticipate  taking  any  such  action? 

Mr.  DoiJVN.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  it  is  at  your  invitation  that 
we're  looking  very  hard  at  our  regional  structure  and  our  national 
structure.  We  have  looked  first  at  the  areas  that  represent  over- 
head, that  represent  the  potential  to  do  either  in  a  location  with 
less,  or  potentially  without  a  regional  location.  So  those  things  are 
under  active  consideration,  but  are  very  preliminary,  short  of  the 
Commissioner  being  on  board  and  her  having  a  chance  to  look  at 
them. 


254 

At  the  centers  and  districts,  Mr.  Chairman,  we  do  not  see  any 
major  change  in  the  location  of  district  offices  in  the  short  run.  I 
think  centers  will  be  the  places  most  affected  by  the  technology.  So 
there  will  be  some  centers  that  will  do  different  tasks  than  others. 
They  will  not  all  look  alike.  So  there  will  be  that  form  of  change 
in  the  centers. 

Chairman  Pickle.  We  want  you  to  keep  us  posted  about  your 
plans  as  they  may  develop  during  the  year.  I  don't  want  to  read 
it  in  the  newspaper  after  it's  already  done.  You  keep  in  close  touch 
with  us  because  we  know  that  is  a  rumor  and  people  ought  to  be 
assured 

Mr.  DOLAN.  We  owe  you  that,  Mr.  Chairman.  We  owe  you  that 
and  we  will  do  that. 

Chairman  Pickle.  All  right.  Now  Mr.  Houghton,  do  you  have  any 
other  questions? 

Mr.  Houghton.  I  do  not,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Chairman  Pickle.  Mr.  Dolan,  we  have  additional  questions,  but 
we've  been  going  on  now  for  a  considerable  time.  I  appreciate,  num- 
ber one,  that  you  would  come  in  early  this  morning.  We  had  two 
committee  hearings  that  we  had  to  coordinate  and  it  has  worked 
out  very  well.  This  has  been  a  little  longer  than  perhaps  we  had 
anticipated.  But  we  have  a  lot  of  good  information  and  we're  going 
to  submit  additional  questions  for  you  that  we  would  like  to  have 
responses  [see  p.  131]. 

I  want  to  say  two  things.  One,  I'm  particularly  concerned  about 
nailing  down  something  specific  on  the  482  transfer  pricing  issue. 
We  ought  to  know  what  our  problem  is  and  what  you're  going  to 
do  about  it.  And  I  want  to  know  some  clear  facts  on  it. 

Secondly,  I  am  more  concerned  about  what's  going  to  happen  to 
our  volunteer  tax  system.  If  we  can't  clear  up  a  lot  of  problems  we 
have,  our  system  is  going  to  get  worse.  It's  slipping  now,  and  we've 
got  to  bolster  it  up  again.  I  want  whatever  steps  taken  to  do  that. 
And  I  need  any  suggestions  and  recommendations  you  or  the  new 
Commissioner  will  have  on  it  because  I  think  it's  tremendously  im- 
portant. 

So  we  will  enlist  your  cooperation  and  your  recommendations  to 
keep  the  system  strong.  It's  the  greatest  system  in  the  world,  but 
we've  got  to  shore  up  every  place  whether  there's  loopholes  or 
whether  there's  abuse  or  neglect  or  else  we  will  get  in  more  dif- 
ficult trouble.  So  we  need  to  be  working  together. 

Unless  you  have  any  other  suggestions  or  questions 

Mr.  Dolan.  I  would  only  like  to  make  one  closing  comment,  Mr. 
Chairman.  We  clearly  appreciate  the  attention  of  the  subcommittee 
today  and  the  ongoing  support.  We  take  very  seriously  both  yours 
and  Mr.  Houghton's  invitation  for  ideas,  invitation  for  ways  to  im- 
prove on  many  of  these  important  areas,  and  look  forward  to  being 
able  to  supply  you  an  initiative  that  will  be  in  your  interest  as  well 
as  the  IRS's  ability  to  get  better.  So  thank  you  for  your  time  and 
your  support. 

Chairman  PiCKLE.  It's  to  our  mutual  advantage  that  we  do  that. 
We  may  try  to  set  up  a  system  here  within  the  committee  that  we 
ask  each  member  to  take  a  special  interest  in  a  specific  subject  and 
be  in  touch  with  you  because  we  need  to  be  better  coordinated  on 
what's  happening.  Our  subcommittee  will  be  doing  it,  too. 


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Mr.  DoLAN.  Can  I  do  one  more  commercial?  I  would  very  much 
like,  if  at  all  possible,  to  reschedule  what  we  had  to  take  off  the 
calendar  for  the  Atlanta  trip.  I  think  the  subcommittee  could  put 
in  context  tax  systems  modernization  if  we  could  take  the  sub- 
committee to  a  service  center. 

Chairman  Pickle.  We  must  do  that,  and  we'll  coordinate  with 
you.  We'll  do  it  as  soon  as  we  can. 

Mr.  DoLAN.  Thank  you. 

Chairman  Pickle.  I  don't  have  any  other  questions  or  testimony, 
so  the  committee  will  stand  adjourned.  Thank  you  for  your  coopera- 
tion. 

[Whereupon,  at  11:40  a.m.,  the  hearing  was  adjoumed.l 

[A  submission  for  the  record  follows:] 


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STATEMENT  OF  JENNIE  S.  STATHIS,  DIRECTOR,  TAX  POLICY  AND 

ADMINISTRATIVE  ISSUES,  GENERAL  GOVERNMENT  DIVISION 

U.S.  GENERAL  ACCOUNTING  OFFICE 

Mr.  Chairman  and  Members  of  the  Subcommittee: 

At  your  request,  we  have  reviewed  IRS'  budget  request  for  fiscal 
year  1994.   That  request  calls  for  $7.4  billion  and  116,060  full 
time  equivalent  (FTE)  staff--an  increase  of  almost  $284  million 
and  792  FTEs  over  IRS'  authorization  for  fiscal  year  1993.   The 
two  most  significant  increases  are  (1)  $145  million  and  190  FTEs 
for  Tax  Systems  Modernization  (TSM)  and  (2)  $150  million  and 
2,000  FTEs  for  11  compliance  initiatives.   These  increases  are 
offset,  in  part,  by  decreases  for  such  things  as  productivity 
savings  and  nonrecurring  costs. 

Our  statement  the  following  six  points: 

--We  question  the  appropriateness  of  more  than  half  of  the 
requested  increase  for  TSM  because  it  is  intended  for 
implementation  of  a  project  for  which  critical  plans  have 
not  been  completed. 

--  Although  we  generally  support  the  direction  IRS  appears 
to  be  taking  with  many  of  the  compliance  initiatives, 
inadequate  funding  of  IRS'  base  operations  could  prevent  IRS 
from  delivering  on  those  initiatives. 

--  The  goals  of  some  compliance  Initiatives  could  be 
achieved  more  efficiently  without  a  further  increase  in 
staff. 

--  The  budget  request  provides  for  a  slight  increase  in 
audit  coverage,  but  that  increase  depends  on  IRS  realizing 
certain  productivity  savings. 

--  Tax  law  changes  in  1993  could  increase  IRS'  taxpayer 
service  workload  and  exacerbate  problems  IRS  now  has  meeting 
taxpayer  demand  for  telephone  assistance. 

--  Operating  efficiencies  are  available  through  TSM  and 
changes  in  the  way  IRS  does  business. 

TAX  SYSTEMS  MODERNIZATION 

We  question  the  appropriateness  and  timing  of  $82.8  million,  or 
more  than  half  of  the  requested  $145  million  increase  in  TSM 
funding  for  fiscal  year  1994.   The  $82.8  million  is  being 
requested  for  the  synchronized  deployment  of  four  interim 
systems:  (1)  the  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System,  (2)  the 
Integrated  Collection  System,  (3)  the  Automated  Criminal 
Investigation  System,  and  (4)  the  Automated  Inventory  Control 
System. 

While  we  do  not  question  the  concept  of  synchronized  deployment, 
we  have  some  general  concerns  with  funding  this  deployment  before 
completing  critical  plans.   Deployment  planning  is  in  the  early 
stages,  and  much  remains  to  be  done  before  IRS  will  be  able  to 
develop  and  approve  a  detailed  deployment  plan.   For  example,  IRS 
has  not  yet  (1)  confirmed  through  thorough  technical  and  economic 
analyses  which  interim  systems  should  be  deployed  and  when,  (2) 
identified  the  sites  where  the  systems  will  be  deployed,  or  (3) 
performed  a  risk  assessment  of  the  plan  and  developed  a  risk- 
reduction  strategy. 

We  are  concerned  whether  IRS  will  be  able  to  complete  these  tasks 
in  time  to  allow  synchronized  deployment  in  fiscal  year  1994. 
First,  determining  which  interim  systems  will  be  deployed 
requires  not  only  a  thorough  reassessment  of  their  technical  and 
economic  merit  but  also  a  balance  of  available  system  development 
resources--the  people  who  will  actually  develop  these  systems-- 
between  the  interim  and  long-term  TSM  systems.   Although  IRS  has 
shown  that  the  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System  meets 
cost/benefit  criteria  for  deployment,  this  is  not  yet  the  case 


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for  the  other  three  systems.   Second,  identifying  deployment 
sites  depends  on  completing  ongoing  business  studies.   These 
studies  could  result  in  significant  changes  to  IRS'  field 
structure,  including  changes  in  the  number  and  functions  of  field 
offices.   Third,  a  risk  assessment  of  the  synchronized  deployment 
strategy  is  needed  to  ensure  that  IRS  identifies  and  addresses 
critical  risks,  such  as  increased  complexity  due  to  the  large 
number  of  concurrent  tasks  that  will  need  to  be  planned, 
coordinated,  and  verified. 

To  ensure  that  the  requested  funding  is  commensurate  with  IRS' 
ability  to  plan  and  execute  the  synchronized  deployment  of 
selected  interim  systems,  the  Subcommittee  may  wish  to  withhold 
its  support  for  this  funding  until  IRS  presents  a  detailed 
deployment  plan  accompanied  by  an  economic  analysis  and  a  risk 
assessment  of  the  selected  deployment  strategy. 

COMPLIANCE  INITIATIVES 

Many  of  the  11  compliance  initiatives  in  IRS'  budget  request  are 
targeted  at  critical  issues  (such  as  collecting  delinquent  taxes, 
increasing  international  tax  compliance  efforts,  increasing  audit 
coverage,  and  reducing  electronic  filing  fraud)  that  we  have 
reported  on  in  the  past.   We  generally  support  the  direction  IRS 
appears  to  be  taking  with  many  of  those  initiatives.   We  are 
concerned,  however,  that  inadequate  funding  of  IRS'  base 
operations  could  prevent  IRS  from  delivering  on  these 
initiatives.   We  also  believe  that  the  goals  of  some  of  the 
initiatives  could  be  achieved  more  efficiently  without  a  further 
increase  in  staff. 

Need  to  Adequately  Fund  Base  Operations 

As  we  have  discussed  in  past  budget  hearings  before  this 
Subcommittee  and  in  other  forums,  IRS  has  had  problems  realizing 
or  sustaining  the  growth  intended  by  compliance  initiatives 
authorized  as  part  of  previous  years'  appropriations.   One  of  the 
major  reasons  for  those  problems  has  been  IRS'  need  to  redirect 
resources  to  offset  budgetary  shortfalls.   Again  in  1993, 
according  to  IRS'  budget  documents,  IRS  has  had  to  scale  back 
staffing  and  redirect  resources  from  travel,  training,  and  other 
support  activities  to  offset  unfunded  labor  costs  of  over  $200 
million. 

There  are  certain  aspects  of  the  fiscal  year  1994  budget  request 
that  could  lead  to  a  similar  situation  next  year.   For  example, 
various  factors  that  IRS  has  identified  as  contributing  to  labor 
cost  shortfalls  continue  to  exist.   Those  factors  include  ones, 
such  as  reduced  attrition,  over  which  IRS  has  little  control  and 
others  that  result  from  internal  IRS  management  and  program 
decisions.   We  were  told  that  IRS  is  working  to  resolve  these 
issues  to  the  extent  they  are  within  IRS"  power  to  resolve. 

Productivity  savings  are  another  aspect  of  the  fiscal  year  1994 
budget  that  could  adversely  affect  IRS'  base.   The  budget 
includes  decreases  of  $55  million  and  1,219  FTEs  attributed  to 
productivity  savings  associated  with  various  systems  being 
implemented  as  part  of  TSM.   Those  decreases  offset  a  large  part 
of  the  increase  being  requested  for  compliance  initiatives.   From 
what  we  know  and  what  we  have  observed  about  some  of  these 
systems,  such  as  the  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System  and 
Corporate  Files  on  Line,  we  would  agree  that  they  enable  IRS 
employees  to  work  more  efficiently.   We  did  not  have  sufficient 
information  available  to  us,  however,  to  assure  the  Subcommittee 
that  the  productivity  savings  estimated  for  fiscal  year  1994  are 
realistic.   If  the  savings  are  overstated,  IRS'  base  operations 
would  be  eroded  and  at  least  some  of  the  growth  intended  through 
the  compliance  initiatives  might  go  unrealized. 


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The  potential  impact  of  unrealized  productivity  savings  might 
best  be  demonstrated  in  the  Information  Reporting  area.   One  of 
the  11  compliance  initiatives  calls  for  an  increase  of  about  $4.2 
million  and  107  FTEs  to  allow  IRS  to  work  additional 
underreporter  cases.   That  increase  is  more  than  offset,  however, 
by  a  decrease  of  $7.5  million  and  252  FTEs  for  savings  expected 
from  implementation  of  the  Automated  Underreporter  System. 
Despite  the  net  decrease,  IRS  estimates  that  it  will  be  able  to 
issue  about  2.6  million  underreporter  notices  in  1994--up  from 
the  approximate  2.4  million  IRS  expects  to  issue  in  1993  but 
still  well  below  the  approximate  3.8  million  issued  in  1992. 
Problems  have  been  delaying  implementation  of  the  Automated 
Underreporter  System.   If  those  delays  continue  or  if  the 
expected  savings  from  that  system  fail  to  materialize,  IRS' 
enforcement  presence  in  the  Information  Reporting  area  will  most 
likely  continue  to  decline  rather  than  increase. 

Various  tax  law  changes  are  anticipated  this  year  that  could  also 
contribute  to  a  diversion  of  IRS  resources  in  fiscal  year  1994. 
Although  the  budget  request  includes  $19.6  million  to  help  IRS 
implement  tax  law  changes,  it  is  impossible  to  assess  the 
adequacy  of  that  amount  until  specific  tax  law  changes  are 
enacted.   Also,  although  the  budget  request  provides  funds  for 
implementing  tax  law  changes,  it  does  not  provide  additional  FTEs 
even  though  staff  will  be  required  to  do  such  things  as  rewrite 
computer  programs,  revise  forms  and  publications,  and  write 
regulations.   Depending  on  the  nature  of  any  tax  law  changes,  the 
impact  on  IRS'  staffing  could  be  significant  and,  with  no 
provision  for  that  impact  in  the  budget  request,  could  require 
IRS  to  divert  authorized  staffing  from  other  areas. 

Goals  of  Some  Compliance  Initiatives 
Attainable  Without  Increased  Staffing 

As  discussed  below  with  respect  to  the  collection  of  delinquent 
accounts,  electronic  filing  fraud,  and  motor  fuel  tax  evasion,  we 
believe  that  the  goals  of  at  least  some  of  the  11  compliance 
initiatives  in  the  budget  request  can  be  achieved  without  an 
increase  in  staff. 

Collecting  delinquent  accounts 

Although  IRS  has  been  placing  increased  emphasis  on  reducing  its 
accounts  receivable,  collection  results  are  not  very  encouraging. 
As  shown  in  figure  1,  collections  of  delinquent  taxes  over  the 
past  5  years  have  not  changed  very  much;  they  actually  declined 
in  1991  and  again  in  1992.   Over  the  same  5  years,  the  gross 
accounts  receivable  inventory,  adjusted  to  eliminate  the  increase 
caused  by  the  change  in  the  statutory  collection  period  in  fiscal 
year  1991  from  6  to  10  years,  has  been  growing  at  a  steady  pace. 


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Figure  1:   Comparison  of  Total  Accounts  Receivable  and  Collection 
of  Delinquent  Accounts,  Fiscal  Years  1988  Through  1992 


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Note  1:   Accounts  receivable  values  for  fiscal  years  1991  and 
1992  have  been  adjusted  from  a  10-year  to  a  6-year  statutory 
collection  period. 

Note  2:   In  1992,  IRS  redefined  the  gross  accounts  receivable 
inventory  by  excluding  certain  amounts  previously  included.   The 
1992  inventory  value  was  calculated  on  the  basis  of  the  old 
definition  and,  therefore,  is  comparable  to  prior  years. 

Source:   IRS  data. 

IRS"  gross  accounts  receivable  balance  does  not  mean  much  in 
terms  of  potential  revenue,  but  does  reflect  the  collection 
workload.   Because  of  overstatements  in  the  inventory  and  because 
of  errors  by  IRS  and  taxpayers,  much  of  the  gross  balance  is 
Invalid  and  does  not  reflect  the  amount  of  delinquent  taxes 
actually  owed.   In  addition,  many  of  the  valid  accounts  in  the 
inventory  are  considered  uncollectible  because  the  delinquent 
taxpayers  cannot  pay  or  IRS  cannot  find  them.   After  considering 
all  of  the  above,  IRS  estimates  that  only  $28.1  billion  of  the 
September  30,  1992,  accounts  receivable  balance  of  more  than  $100 
billion  is  collectible. 

The  compliance  initiatives  in  the  fiscal  year  1994  budget  request 
Include  an  additional  777  FTEs  and  $49.5  million  for  IRS' 
Collection  function.   Most  of  these  resources  are  to  be  directed 
toward  reducing  the  accounts  receivable  Inventory  by: 

--pilot  testing  the  use  of  private  collection  agencies; 

--extending  hours  at  Collection  call  sites; 

--expanding  the  role  of  the  Service  Center  Collection 
Branch; 

--establishing  call  sites  in  service  centers  for  pre-notice 
contact  on  large  dollar  cases; 


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--extending  Taxpayer  Service  hours  for  participation  in 
installment  agreements  and  other  accounts  receivable  related 
work;  and 

--increasing  the  number  of  revenue  officers  in  the  field  to 
collect  delinquent  taxes  and  secure  returns  from  nonfilers. 

We  agree  with  the  primary  focus  of  these  initiatives  on  IRS' 
collection  activities  at  service  centers  and  call  sites.   Indeed, 
work  we  are  doing  for  the  Subcommittee  on  alternative  collection 
strategies  suggests  that  IRS  needs  to  place  even  more  emphasis  on 
collection  activities  at  the  service  centers  and  call  sites  and 
less  emphasis  on  field  collection  activities.   Currently  it  can 
take  up  to  6  months  after  a  delinquency  arises  before  IRS 
attempts  telephone  contact  with  the  taxpayer.   In  the  private 
sector,  most  delinquent  accounts  are  closed  within  that  time.   If 
telephone  contact  is  not  successful  in  resolving  the 
delinquencies,  IRS  sends  the  accounts  to  the  field  where  more 
experienced  collection  employees  (revenue  officers)  attempt  face- 
to-face  contact  with  the  taxpayers.   IRS  has  allocated  almost 
two-thirds  of  its  Collection  staff  to  this  field  collection 
activity,  while  other  government  and  private  collection  agencies 
are  relying  more  heavily  on  early  telephone  contact. 

With  that  in  mind,  while  we  support  the  goals  of  the  initiatives 
we  do  not  support  the  new  positions  being  requested  to  implement 
them.   We  especially  do  not  support  adding  more  revenue  officers. 
Even  with  existing  processes,  IRS  projects  average  revenues  of 
$377,000  for  each  FTE  requested  for  its  call  sites  but  only 
$89,000  for  each  additional  revenue  officer  FTE  requested.   We 
believe,  instead,  that  IRS  should  make  fundamental  changes  in  its 
collection  processes  and  redirect  existing  resources  from  the 
field  to  the  service  centers  and  call  sites. 

Electronic  filing  fraud 

As  we  recently  reported,  electronic  filing  fraud  has  been  a 
growing  problem.  "^   IRS  statistics  for  1992,  for  example,  show 
that  IRS  identified  12,725  electronically  filed  returns  involving 
fraudulent  refunds  totalling  $33.6  million  and  that  one-third  of 
those  refunds  were  issued  before  IRS  could  stop  them.   IRS  took 
various  steps  in  response  to  our  report  and  its  own  internal 
studies  in  an  attempt  to  alleviate  this  problem  in  1993. 
Preliminary  statistics  for  1993  indicate  that  those  steps  have 
had  a  positive  effect.   According  to  the  statistics,  IRS  was  able 
to  stop  88  percent  of  $11.3  million  in  fraudulent  refunds  claimed 
as  of  March  31,  1993.   At  the  same  time  last  year,  IRS  had 
stopped  80  percent  of  $10.1  million  in  identified  fraudulent 
refunds.   We  were  also  told  by  Criminal  Investigation  officials 
that  about  240,000  "bad"  returns  were  kept  out  of  the  system  by 
up-front  verification  of  taxpayer  names  and  Social  Security 
numbers . 

IRS'  budget  request  includes  81  FTEs  and  about  $5  million  to  help 
expedite  the  identification  and  deletion  of  fraudulent  claims  for 
refund  associated  with  the  electronic  filing  program.   Criminal 
Investigation  officials  told  us  that  this  request  is  to  fund 
staff  who  are  already  assigned  to  questionable  refund  detection 
teams  in  IRS'  service  centers  but  who  are  currently  being  funded 
by  other  functions.   Although  the  additional  staff  have 
apparently  helped  IRS  combat  electronic  filing  fraud,  we  believe 
that  the  use  of  manual  labor  is  the  least  efficient  way  to  deal 
with  such  fraud.   It  would  be  more  efficient,  for  example,  if 
IRS,  as  we  recommended  in  our  report,  improved  the  criteria  its 
computers  use  to  screen  electronic  returns  for  potential  fraud 
after  the  returns  have  been  filed. 


^Tax  Administration:   IRS  Can  Improve  Controls  Over  Electronic 
Filing  Fraud  ( GAO/GGD- 93-27 ,  Dec.  30,  1992). 


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As  demonstrated  by  IRS'  experience  with  up-front  verification  of 
names  and  Social  Security  numbers,  an  even  more  efficient  way  to 
combat  such  fraud  is  to  implement  controls  at  the  front  of  the 
process  to  help  keep  fraudulent  returns  from  being  filed  in  the 
first  place.   Because  fraudulent  refund  schemes  generally  involve 
the  preparation  of  false  Form  W-2s  and  the  fabrication  of  wage 
and  withholding  information,  the  best  up-front  control  would  be 
for  IRS  to  electronically  match  wage  information  received  from 
employers  with  wage  information  on  the  electronic  returns.   Such 
a  capability  should  become  available,  although  not  in  the 
foreseeable  future,  as  IRS  implements  its  Tax  Systems 
Modernization  Program.   Currently,  employer  wage  information 
other  than  that  provided  by  taxpayers  is  not  available  to  IRS 
until  after  it  processes  taxpayers'  returns  because  of  the  time 
it  takes  to  verify  the  information  and  correct  any  errors. 

Motor  fuel  excise  tax  evasion 

Another  of  the  compliance  initiatives  calls  for  providing  IRS' 
Criminal  Investigation  function  with  about  $2.6  million  and  25 
FTEs  to  pursue  cases  of  motor  fuel  excise  tax  evasion.   The 
required  funding  would  come  from  the  Federal  Highway  Trust  Fund 
under  a  reimbursable  agreement  with  the  Department  of 
Transportation.   The  additional  staff  would  be  used  to  expand 
criminal  investigations  of  motor  fuel  excise  tax  fraud. 

Although  a  criminal  deterrent  is  a  necessary  component  of  tax 
enforcement,  we  question  the  need  for  the  requested  increase. 
Compliance  with  motor  fuel  excise  taxes  can  be  enhanced  by 
reducing  opportunities  to  evade  the  tax  and  by  obtaining  better 
information  to  target  enforcement  efforts.   To  the  extent  these 
can  be  achieved,  the  need  for  an  increased  criminal  enforcement 
presence,  which  would  carry  over  into  future  fiscal  years,  is 
decreased. 

In  a  1992  report,  we  said  that  reliable  statistical  information 
did  not  exist  on  the  extent  of  motor  fuel  excise  tax  evasion.^ 
Anecdotal  information  and  the  professional  judgment  of  some 
industry  and  government  officials,  however,  suggested  that 
evasion  was  a  significant  problem.   On  the  basis  of  recent 
meetings  with  federal  officials  and  selected  industry 
representatives  interested  in  this  issue,  we  understand  that 
reliable  statistical  evidence  is  not  yet  available  but  concern 
about  evasion  continues,  with  a  growing  concern  about  diesel  fuel 
evasion. 

In  our  earlier  work,  we  found  strong  arguments  suggesting  that 
refinery  level  taxation  of  gasoline,  rather  than  taxation  at  the 
terminal  rack,  could  reduce  the  potential  for  evading  taxes. 
Because  the  level  of  evasion  was  not  known  and  industry 
representatives  had  concerns  about  the  desirability  of  such  a 
move,  we  suggested  that  Congress  explore  the  level  of  evasion. 
If  evasion  was  found  to  be  sufficiently  high,  we  said  the  tax 
collection  point  for  gasoline  should  be  moved  to  the  refinery 
level . 

Developments  since  our  report  have  reinforced  the  desirability  of 
considering  a  revised  collection  point  for  excise  taxes  on 
gasoline  and  diesel  fuel.   The  President  has  proposed  a  BTU  tax 
that  for  gasoline  and  diesel  would  be  collected  at  the  refinery 
tailgate  (when  products  leave  the  refinery) .   If  the  BTU  tax  is 
collected  at  the  refinery,  efficiency  arguments  suggest  that 
motor  fuel  taxes  also  be  collected  at  the  refinery. 

In  addition,  the  Environmental  Protection  Agency  has  adopted 
regulations  under  which  high  sulfur  diesel  equivalent  products 


^Tax  Administration:   Status  of  Efforts  to  Curb  Motor  Fuel  Tax 
Evasion  (GAO/GGD-92-67,  May  12,  1992). 


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must  be  dyed.   These  products  cannot  be  used  on  highways.   The 
dyeing  requirement  provides  an  improved  means  to  segregate  diesel 
for  on-highway  use,  which  is  taxable  under  the  motor  fuel  excise 
tax,  from  diesel  for  off -highway  use,  which  is  not  taxable. 

The  proposed  BTU  collection  point  is  controversial,  however. 
Some  industry  representatives  have  been  working  on  a  proposal  to 
impose  both  the  BTU  and  motor  fuel  excise  taxes  at  the  terminal 
rack.   While  this  would  not  represent  a  change  for  gasoline,  it 
would  be  a  higher  collection  point  for  diesel  fuels  and, 
especially  coupled  with  the  dyeing  requirement,  could  reduce  the 
potential  for  evasion  schemes  involving  this  product. 

Under  the  auspices  of  the  Department  of  Transportation's  Joint 
Federal/State  Motor  Fuel  Tax  Compliance  Project,  IRS  has  been 
working  to  make  better  use  of  data  on  taxpayers  who  are 
registered  to  deal  in  tax-free  motor  fuels  and  on  motor  fuel 
transactions  among  all  types  of  motor  fuel  industry  companies. 
IRS  recently  established  a  database  of  taxpayers  who  are 
registered  to  engage  in  tax-free  exchanges  of  gasoline.   This 
database  is  intended  to  enable  industry  members  to  check  that  a 
purchaser  is  validly  registered  to  buy  gasoline  without  paying 
the  excise  tax.   IRS  plans  soon  to  incorporate  diesel  fuel 
companies  into  the  database.   Diesel  vendors  far  outnumber 
gasoline  vendors. 

IRS  is  also  working  with  the  state  of  Michigan  and  oil  industry 
members  to  test  the  feasibility  of  a  system  that  would  track 
motor  fuel  transactions  between  vendors.   This  system  would  be 
used  to  identify  transactions  that  are  subject  to  tax  and  assure 
that  taxes  are  collected. 

We  believe  that  these  initiatives  to  reduce  the  up- front 
potential  to  evade  motor  fuel  taxes  and  better  identify  when 
taxes  are  not  paid  are  likely  to  increase  overall  compliance  more 
effectively  than  additional  funding  for  criminal  investigations. 
If  additional  funds  are  to  be  allocated  to  IRS  from  the  Federal 
Highway  Trust  Fund,  efforts  to  accelerate  progress  on  the  tax- 
free  vendor  database  and  the  system  to  track  motor  fuel 
transactions  should  be  considered. 

Compliance  Initiatives  Expected  to 
Increase  Audit  Coverage  Slightly 

Three  compliance  initiatives  are  expected  to  increase  the  number 
of  tax  returns  examined  over  the  next  several  years.   These 
initiatives  are  directed  at  (1)  high  income  nonbusiness  returns, 
(2)  employees  misclassif led  as  independent  contractors,  and  (3) 
nonf ilers . 

The  biggest  of  these  initiatives  (about  $31  million  and  400  FTEs 
IRS-wide)  is  directed  at  misclassif led  employees.   The  initiative 
would  probably  not  be  needed  if  Congress  were  to  require  either 
withholding  or  enhanced  information  reporting  on  payments  to 
independent  contractors.   In  addition  to  discussing  these 
proposals,  we  reported  last  year  that  the  common  law  rules  for 
classifying  workers  are  unclear  and  subject  to  conflicting 
interpretations.^  As  a  result,  small  businesses,  which  are 
often  the  subject  of  employee  classification  audits,  have 
difficulty  classifying  their  workers  and  could  end  up  having 
large  tax  assessments  levied  against  them.   The  rules  need  to  be 
clearer  and  the  compliance  incentives  stronger  to  obviate  the 
need  for  a  compliance  initiative  like  this  one. 

The  compliance  initiatives  suggest  added  staffing  for  the 
Examination  function.   But,  after  considering  projected 


^Tax  Administration;   Approaches  for  Improving  Independent 
Contractor  Compliance  (GAO/GGD-92-108,  July  23,  1992). 

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productivity  savings,  the  budget  request  provides  for  only  a 
nominal  increase  in  Examination  FTEs  over  1993  (+94)  and  less 
FTEs  than  in  1992  (-678).   Almost  all  of  the  productivity  savings 
are  related  to  the  Totally  Integrated  Examination  System.   This 
is  one  of  the  systems,  however,  that  could  be  affected  by  delays 
in  the  synchronized  deployment  project  discussed  earlier. 
Although  IRS  anticipates  examining  more  returns  in  fiscal  year 
1994,  those  expectations  could  go  unrealized  if  deployment  of  the 
Totally  Integrated  Examination  System  is  delayed.   Even  if  the 
additional  audits  are  done,  audit  coverage  is  only  expected  to 
increase  from  0.91  percent  in  fiscal  year  1993  to  0.95  percent  in 
1994. 

Ideally--if  the  budget  allowed--overall  audit  coverage  should  be 
higher  than  1  percent.   An  economics  study  reported  in  the 
December  1990  issue  of  National  Tax  Journal*  estimated  that  if 
IRS  had  kept  its  audit  coverage  rates  at  the  1977  level  (about  2 
1/2  percent  for  individuals  and  about  9  1/2  percent  for 
corporations)  through  1986,  taxpayers  would  have  reported  about 
$16  billion  more  in  taxes  for  1986.   The  authors  concluded  that  a 
greater  likelihood  of  being  audited  induces  taxpayers  to  report  a 
higher  tax  liability  on  their  returns.   While  voluntary 
compliance  is  partly  based  on  taxpayer  education  and  assistance, 
the  fear  of  an  IRS  audit  may  also  affect  compliance  levels  and 
the  size  of  the  tax  gap. 

Thus,  it  seems  prudent  to  maintain  a  certain  level  of  audit 
coverage  for  all  taxpayer  groups.   Beyond  that,  IRS"  enforcement 
efforts  should  be  targeted  to  more  noncompliant  populations. 
Between  1980  and  1987,  small  corporate  compliance,  as  measured  by 
IRS'  Taxpayer  Compliance  Measurement  Program  (TCMP),  dropped  from 
81  percent  to  61  percent.   Over  the  same  time,  IRS'  audit 
coverage  of  small  corporations  dropped  from  6.1  percent  to  1.1 
percent.   This  rate  increased  to  2.5  percent  in  1992.   Until  IRS 
has  evidence  of  improved  compliance  in  the  group,  audit  coverage 
should  be  maintained  at  least  at  this  level. 

We  have  been  told  that  IRS'  examination  plans  for  1994  do  not 
include  any  detailed  audits  for  a  TCMP.   For  more  than  30  years, 
TCMP  has  been  IRS'  only  tool  to  objectively  measure  taxpayers' 
compliance  and  select  tax  returns  for  audit.   In  a  recent  report, 
we  raised  concerns  about  changes  that  IRS  planned  to  TCMP.^   IRS 
intended  to  make  TCMP  cheaper  and  quicker  for  IRS  and  less 
burdensome  on  taxpayers--goals  that  we  support.   However,  we 
found  that  problems  with  TCMP  were  small  when  compared  to  its 
benefits.   Further,  IRS'  planned  changes  would  have  severely 
hampered  TCMP's  ability  to  provide  statistical  data  for  varied 


'Jeffrey  A.  Dubln,  Michael  J.  Graetz,  and  Louis  L.  Wilde;  "The 
Effect  of  Audit  Rates  on  the  Federal  Individual  Income  Tax,  1977- 
1986",  National  Tax  Journal,  December  1990,  pp.  395-409. 

^Tax  Administration:   IRS'  Plans  to  Measure  Tax  Compliance  Can  Be 
Improved  (GAO/GGD-93-52,  Apr.  5,  1993). 


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and  crucial  uses.   As  a  result,  we  recommended  that  IRS  not  make 
these  changes.' 

In  comments  on  a  draft  of  our  report,  IRS  agreed  to  defer  the 
planned  changes  and  use  criteria  we  recommended  in  making 
changes.   At  the  same  time,  however,  IRS  reiterated  its  intent  to 
improve  or  replace  TCMP.   We  are  concerned  that  IRS  will  continue 
to  delay  the  next  cycle  of  TCMP  audits  and  thus  the  data 
generated  by  those  audits.   The  most  recent  cycle  covered  tax 
year  1988  and  the  next  cycle  would  have  covered  1991  had  IRS  not 
delayed  it  to  make  changes.   As  a  result,  our  report  also 
recommended  that  IRS  cover  1993  tax  returns  in  the  next  TCMP 
cycle.   The  longer  IRS  waits,  the  older  and  more  unreliable  the 
data  on  which  IRS,  Congress,  and  the  Administration  will  base 
decisions  on  tax  policy  and  administration. 

International  Tax  Compliance  Initiative 
Focuses  on  Important  Issues 

One  compliance  initiative  would  provide  about  $31  million  for 
international  tax  compliance.   Many  of  the  elements  of  this 
initiative  address  needs  we  have  seen  in  our  work  on  transfer 
pricing.'   Funds  for  50  extra  international  examiners  should 
enable  IRS  to  continue  Increasing  the  number  of  international  tax 
returns  examined  although,  as  of  March  1993,  IRS  had  not  yet 
adopted  a  staffing  model  to  help  allocate  international  staffing 
resources.   IRS'  plans  to  have  the  model  in  place  by  September 
30,  1993.   IRS  will  also  be  adding  82  FTEs  to  its  international 
counsel's  office.   This  will  enable  it  to  set  a  goal  for  advance 
pricing  agreements  at  75  per  year  and  to  increase  its  early 
counsel  involvement  with  international  cases,  thus  focusing  on 
problems  we  have  seen  in  sustaining  examination  findings. 

In  addition,  IRS  will  use  about  half  the  funds  for  the 
international  initiative  on  (1)  more  expert  witnesses  and 
consultants  to  also  help  sustain  its  findings  and  target  cases 
and  on  (2)  various  information  and  automation  systems. 

Even  with  this  international  initiative,  the  challenges  of 
dealing  with  transfer  pricing  will  remain.   This  is  because  the 
growing  global  economy  will  increase  the  potential  for 
underpayment  of  U.S.  taxes  through  transfer  pricing  practices  and 
the  arm's  length  standard  governing  transfer  pricing  will 
continue  to  be  difficult  for  IRS  to  enforce. 


*For  example,  IRS  had  planned  to  cut  TCMP's  sample  size  in  half. 
Such  a  cut  would  lower  statistical  precision  and  limit  the 
usefulness  of  the  results.   Moreover,  IRS  was  going  to  give  TCMP 
examiners  discretion  on  which  tax  return  lines  to  audit,  instead 
of  requiring  them  to  check  all  lines.   Such  discretion  would 
leave  users  of  the  aggregated  TCMP  results  in  the  dark  on  whether 
the  taxpayers  had  indeed  complied  or  whether  many  TCMP  examiners 
had  simply  chosen  to  skip  certain  lines. 

To  guide  any  improvements  to  TCMP,  we  offered  four  criteria.   We 
recommended  that  IRS  ensure  that  any  changes  provide  statistical 
data  that  allow  IRS  to  (1)  consistently  measure  tax  compliance, 
(2)  objectively  select  returns  to  be  audited,  (3)  effectively 
decide  how  to  structure  its  enforcement  programs,  and  (4)  meet 
the  needs  of  tax  policy  and  other  users  in  the  executive  and 
legislative  branches. 

'International  Taxation:   Problems  Persist  in  Determining  Tax 
Effects  of  Intercompany  Prices  (GAO/GGD-92-89,  June  15,  1992)  and 
International  Taxation:   Updated  Information  on  Transfer  Pricing 
(GAO/T-GGD-93-16,  Mar.  25,  1993). 

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BUDGET  REQUEST  FOR  TAXPAYER  SERVICE 
MAY  NOT  IMPROVE  TELEPHONE  ACCESSIBILITY 

To  measure  how  accurately  IRS'  toll-free  telephone  assistors 
respond  to  taxpayers'  tax  law  questions,  IRS  test  callers  place 
anonymous  calls  to  assistors  and  score  their  answers  to  various 
questions.   IRS  statistics  on  the  results  of  these  test  calls 
show  that  assistors  answered  89  percent  of  tax  law  questions 
accurately  from  February  1  through  March  27,  1993--a  1  percent 
improvement  over  the  same  period  last  year. 

Although  taxpayers  are  generally  receiving  accurate  answers  to 
tax  law  questions,  they  are  having  more  difficulty  reaching  IRS 
to  ask  questions.   According  to  IRS  data  through  March  27,  1993, 
(1)  IRS  received  about  55  million  calls  in  1993,  about  15  million 
more  than  for  the  comparable  period  in  1992,  and  (2)  assistors 
answered  about  13  million  calls,  slightly  less  than  for  the 
comparable  period  in  1992.   By  dividing  the  number  of  calls 
answered  by  the  number  received,  we  computed  an  answer  rate  of  24 
percent  this  year,  down  from  33  percent  last  year.   We  defined 
calls  received  as  the  sum  of  calls  answered,  busy  signals,  and 
calls  abandoned  by  the  taxpayer  before  an  assistor  got  on  the 
line.   Busy  signals  continue  to  be  a  problem  for  taxpayers.   IRS' 
data  show  that  about  73  percent  of  callers  this  year  got  a  busy 
signal,  up  8  percentage  points  from  1992. 

Accessibility  is  lower  this  year  primarily  because  the  demand  for 
IRS'  telephone  assistance  has  increased  sharply  while  the 
resources  available  to  provide  it  decreased.   To  illustrate,  from 
January  through  March  28,  1992,  IRS  had  received  over  40  million 
calls  and  had  applied  1,027  staff  years  to  answer  about  13 
million  of  them.   For  the  comparable  period  in  1993,  IRS  had 
received  over  55  million  calls  but  only  used  911  staff  years--116 
less  than  in  1992.   Because  of  productivity  gains,  IRS  was  able 
to  answer  almost  the  same  number  of  calls--over  13  million--in 
1993  as  it  did  in  1992  but  the  higher  demand  meant  that  more 
taxpayers  received  busy  signals  or  were  placed  on  hold  and  hung 
up  before  IRS  could  help  them. 

The  fiscal  year  1994  budget  request  provides  for  about  $17.3 
million  in  additional  funds  for  Taxpayer  Service  but  67  fewer 
FTEs.   Even  with  fewer  staff,  IRS  expects  to  answer  880,000  more 
telephone  calls.   With  new  automated  call  routing  equipment  at  9 
of  IRS'  32  toll-free  telephone  sites,  productivity  should  improve 
so  that  more  calls  are  answered  by  each  assistor  at  those  9 
locations.   IRS'  Taxpayer  Service  staffing  plan  also  envisions  a 
continued  trend  toward  more  permanent  and  fewer  temporary 
positions,  which  should  also  have  a  positive  effect  on 
productivity. 

Despite  the  above,  it  seems  rather  optimistic  to  believe  that 
overall  productivity  will  jump  3  percent.   If  the  tax  laws  are 
changed  this  year,  it  is  reasonable  to  expect  an  increase  in  IRS' 
telephone  assistance  workload  as  taxpayers  call  with  questions 
about  those  changes.   Consequently,  we  doubt  that  this  budget 
strategy  will  result  in  an  improved  answer  rate  in  1994. 

EFFICIENCIES  AVAILABLE  THROUGH  TSM  AND 
CHANGES  IN  THE  WAY  IRS  DOES  BUSINESS 

At  the  request  of  the  Subcommittee,  we  have  prepared  a  fact  sheet 
that  summarizes  several  examples  of  waste  and  inefficiency  at  IRS 
as  cited  in  past  reports  issued  by  GAO,  IRS'  Internal  Audit,  and 
the  Department  of  the  Treasury's  Office  of  Inspector  General  as 
well  as  various  studies  done  by  and  for  IRS.   As  noted  in  that 
document,  a  copy  of  which  is  being  submitted  for  the  hearing 
record,  IRS'  antiquated  computer  systems  are  a  major  contributor 
to  waste  and  inefficiency.   Modernization  of  those  systems 
through  TSM  is  expected  to  make  IRS  more  efficient.   We  have 
already  begun  to  see  some  of  that  promise  in  Corporate  Files  On 

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Line  (CFOL)  and  in  the  various  filing  alternatives  now  being 
offered  taxpayers. 

Corporate  Files  On  Line 

By  providing  on-line  access  to  taxpayer  account  information,  CFOL 
has  helped  IRS  streamline  operations  and  use  current  technology 
more  efficiently.   For  example,  the  previously-discussed  up-front 
verification  of  names  and  Social  Security  numbers  that  kept  about 
240,000  "bad"  returns  out  of  the  electronic  filing  system  was 
made  possible  through  CFOL.   Likewise,  information  we  obtained 
from  the  Memphis  Service  Center  indicated  that  implementation  of 
one  CFOL  component  that  electronically  verified  name  and  address 
information  enabled  the  center  to  save  between  10,000  and  15,000 
staff  hours  in  manual  verification. 

Filing  Alternatives 

As  of  April  16,  1993,  about  12.2  million  taxpayers  had  filed 
their  returns  electronically.   These  taxpayers  generally  received 
their  refunds  faster  than  they  would  have  if  they  had  filed  paper 
returns  and  had  greater  assurance  that  their  computations  were 
correct.   IRS,  on  the  other  hand,  was  able  to  process  and  store 
electronic  returns  more  efficiently  and  with  less  rework  needed 
to  correct  taxpayer  and/or  processing  errors.   Two  other  filing 
alternatives  were  also  available  to  some  taxpayers  in  1993. 

One  alternative  being  tested  in  Ohio,  known  as  TeleFile,  allows 
certain  taxpayers  to  file  using  a  touchtone  telephone.   Because 
TeleFile  returns  are  processed  through  the  Electronic  Filing 
System,  they  provide  the  same  kinds  of  efficiencies  for  IRS  as 
electronic  returns.   As  of  April  16,  about  147,000  Ohio  taxpayers 
had  filed  via  TeleFile.   The  second  alternative,  known  as  1040PC, 
allows  users  of  tax  preparation  computer  software  to  file  a 
computer-generated  answer  sheet  rather  than  the  standard  Form 
1040.   Because  the  answer  sheets  show  only  line  numbers  and 
amounts,  they  can  be  keyed  by  data  entry  clerks  faster  and  with 
fewer  errors  than  the  standard  Form  1040.   As  of  April  16,  about 
3.6  million  taxpayers  had  filed  a  1040PC. 

IRS  Can  Streamline 
Regional  Office  Operations 

Although  systems  modernization  should  produce  significant 
efficiencies,  IRS  needs  to  go  beyond  that.   As  we  have  been 
urging  for  some  time,  IRS  needs  to  take  advantage  of  the 
opportunities  afforded  by  modernization  to  change  the  way  it  does 
business.   One  result  should  be  an  ability  to  streamline  its 
organization  and  achieve  even  greater  efficiencies.   In  1992,  IRS 
began  to  reexamine  its  organizational  structure.   In  that  regard 
and  at  the  Subcommittee's  request,  we  have  been  assessing  one 
component  of  IRS'  organization--regional  offices.   Appendix  I 
includes  general  information  about  regional  offices,  including 
some  historical  information  and  data  on  regional  office  staffing 
and  costs,  along  with  details  on  the  preliminary  results  of  our 
assessment,  including  some  preliminary  data  from  questionnaires 
we  sent  district  and  service  center  managers. 

As  discussed  in  the  appendix,  our  work,  while  identifying  several 
positive  aspects  of  regional  office  operations,  has  also 
identified  opportunities  for  improved  efficiency.   For  example: 

--  One  reason  for  establishing  regional  offices  was  to 
reduce  the  National  Office's  span  of  control.   Span  of 
control  may  be  a  valid  consideration  in  managing  63  district 
offices.   It  seems  less  valid,  however,  when  considering 
service  centers  and  forms  distribution  sites,  of  which  there 
are  10  and  3  respectively.   We  see  no  need  to  have  layers  of 
management  between  the  National  Office  and  those  field 
offices . 

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--  Span  of  control  could  also  become  irrelevant  if  IRS 
consolidated  the  various  telephone  operations  that  take 
place  in  32  taxpayer  assistance  call  sites,  21  collection 
call  sites,  and  the  3  forms  distribution  centers.   Under 
IRS'  current  organizational  structure,  those  telephone-based 
operations  report  through  district  and  regional  offices  to 
the  National  Office.   A  consolidated  telephone  operation 
could  report  directly  to  the  National  Office. 

--  Efficiencies  could  be  achieved  by  consolidating 
administrative  services  (such  as  processing  travel  vouchers 
and  recording  accounting  transactions),  resource  management 
activities  (such  as  training  and  personnel  management),  and 
automated  data  processing  activities. 

IRS  has  several  initiatives  directed  at  achieving  the  kinds  of 
efficiencies  discussed  above.   Several  regional  offices,  for 
example,  have  initiatives  that  focus  on  reducing  duplication  in 
administrative  services  and  resources  management.   The  National 
Office  has  initiatives  that  focus  on  reducing  layers  of 
management  IRS-wide  and  diverting  staff  to  front-line  activities. 
In  that  regard,  IRS  has  decided  to  reduce  regional  office 
staffing  levels  by  December  1994  and  to  reduce  the  number  of 
regional  offices  from  7  to  5  by  December  1995.   Whether  further 
reductions  are  possible  will  depend  on  the  extent  to  which  (1) 
front-line  operations  can  be  streamlined  and  thereby  provide 
opportunities  for  direct  reporting  to  the  National  Office;  (2) 
the  National  Office  assumes  a  larger  role  in  providing 
centralized  leadership  and  direction,  thereby  minimizing  the  need 
for  detailed  regional  office  guidance;  and  (3)  front-line 
managers  have  discretion  to  make  decisions  that  formerly  would 
have  required  consultation  with  the  regional  office. 

The  Subcommittee  also  asked  for  information  on  (1)  IRS 
correspondence;  (2)  IRS'  forms,  publications,  and  notices;  and 
(3)  the  exchange  of  data  between  IRS  and  Customs.   That 
information  is  in  appendixes  II,  III,  and  IV. 


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APPENDIX  I  APPENDIX  I 

IRS'  REGIONAL  OFFICE  OPERATIONS 

The  Subcommittee  has  had  a  continuing  interest  in  waste  and 
inefficiency  in  IRS.   When  we  testified  on  IRS'  fiscal  year  1993 
budget  we  said  that  IRS'  operation  has  much  built-in  waste.   Two 
examples  we  cited  were  (1)  the  redundancies  and  inefficiencies 
that  are  fostered  by  IRS'  field  structure  and  (2)  IRS'  functional 
organization  which  results  in  a  fragmented  view  of  the 
taxpayer.'   In  1992,  IRS  began  to  reexamine  its  organizational 
structure  in  light  of  the  opportunities  presented  by  Tax  Systems 
Modernization.   Before  discussing  some  of  IRS'  planned  changes, 
we  will  provide  some  specific  information  you  requested  on  IRS' 
regional  offices--a  brief  history,  cost  and  staffing  data,  and 
our  preliminary  observations  on  (1)  the  regional  offices' 
positive  contributions,  (2)  areas  where  they  contribute  to 
duplication  and  delay,  and  (3)  opportunities  to  streamline 
regional  office  operations. 

A  BRIEF  HISTORY 

In  1952,  prompted  by  a  corruption  and  embezzlement  scandal  that 
involved  politically  appointed  local  tax  collectors,'  IRS 
established  a  three-tier  organization  made  up  of  a  multi- 
functional National  Office,  17  regional  offices,  and  64  district 
offices.   Although  the  number  of  field  offices  has  changed,  that 
structure  has  virtually  remained  intact.   IRS  has  reduced  the 
number  of  regional  offices  three  times  since  the  reorganization. 
In  1953  the  number  was  reduced  from  17  to  9.   In  both  1964  and 
1965,  IRS  eliminated  one  regional  office. 

The  seven  regional  offices,  each  under  the  direction  of  a 
Regional  Conunissioner ,  have  traditionally  operated  as  autonomous 
entities.   They  report  to  IRS'  Chief  Operations  Officer  and 
execute  National  Office  policy  and  oversee  the  functions  and 
activities  of  the  district  offices  and  service  centers  within 
their  geographical  boundaries.   As  shown  in  figure  I.l,  IRS' 
regional  office  structure  generally  mirrors  the  National  Office 
functional  structure  (i.e.,  collection,  examination,  returns 
processing,  etc.) 


°Tax  Administration:   IRS'  Budget  Request  for  Fiscal  Year  1993 
(GAO/T-GGD-92-34,  Apr.  30,  1992). 

'Today,  only  two  IRS  of f icials--the  Commissioner  and  Chief 
Counsel--are  political  appointees. 


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Figure  I.l:   Regional  Office  Organization 


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IRS  also  has  seven  Regional  Inspectors  and  seven  Regional 
Counsels  that  have  separate  management  structures,  although  they 
may  be  housed  in  the  same  space  as  the  Regional  Commissioners. 
The  rest  of  our  discussion  about  regional  offices  focuses  only  on 
activities  under  the  direction  of  Regional  Commissioners. 

REGIONAL  OFFICE  STAFF  ACCOUNT  FOR  A 
SMALL  PORTION  OF  TOTAL  IRS  STAFFING 

Of  the  136,865  IRS  employees  on  board  as  of  March  6,  1993,'° 
about  2  percent  (2,428)  were  in  the  regional  offices.   Table  I.l 
shows  a  breakout  of  those  staff  by  position  title.   Of  the  2,428 
regional  office  staff,  most  (1,360)  were  involved  in  resources 
management,  which  includes  activities  such  as  budget  and 
financial  management,  procurement,  training,  facilities 
management,  and  personnel  management.   Besides  doing  these 
activities  for  their  region,  regional  office  staff  may  also 
support  similar  functions  in  district  offices  and  service 
centers.   In  a  few  instances,  regional  office  staff  will  do  these 
activities  directly  for  district  offices  and  service  centers 
under  a  consolidated  authority.   For  example,  staff  in  the 
Central  Regional  Office  provide  procurement  services  for  the 
regional  office,  one  service  center,  and  six  district  offices. 


'"This  number  is  higher  than  the  average  number  of  staff  on  board 
during  the  year  because  it  includes  temporary  staff  who  are  hired 
for  the  filing  season. 


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Table  I.l:   Number  of  Regional  Office  Staff  by  Position  Title  as 
of  March  6,  1993 


Regional  office  occupation 

Number 

Percent 

Managers 

192 

7.9 

Analysts 

661" 

27.2 

Technicians /Specialists 

676" 

27.8 

Administrative 

455 

18.7 

Other 

444 

18.3 

Total 

2,428 

100.0 

"Regional  analysts  are  tasked  with  helping  field  offices 
understand  program  requirements,  monitoring  performance,  solving 
problems,  and  elevating  field  office  concerns  to  the  National 
Office. 

"The  technician/specialist  category  includes  staff  working  in 
accounting  and  personnel  functions  in  the  resources  management 
area  or  as  computer  specialists. 

Source:   IRS'  Automated  Financial  System. 

Regional  office  staff  are  not  on  the  "front  line"  in 
administering  the  tax  laws.   Instead  of  directly  serving 
taxpayers,  they  provide  support  to  front  line  staff  in  service 
centers  and  district  offices.   Regional  office  staff  are  graded 
more  highly  than  IRS  staff  overall.   About  56  percent  are  GS-12s 
or  higher  compared  to  24  percent  IRS-wide. 

REGIONAL  OFFICE  COSTS 

IRS*  total  fiscal  year  1992  costs  were  about  $6.7  billion.   Field 
offices,  including  regional  offices,  accounted  for  about  $4.7 
billion  of  that  cost.   Regional  offices  alone  accounted  for  only 
about  $209  million.   However,  these  costs  overstate  the  true  cost 
of  operating  a  regional  office  because  they  include  some  costs 
incurred  by  district  offices.   IRS'  Automated  Financial  System, 
the  primary  system  IRS  uses  for  reporting  costs,  does  not  readily 
separate  regional  office  costs  from  district  office  costs  for 
certain  activities  such  as  training,  supplies  and  services,  and 
printing.   To  get  a  better  idea  of  what  it  costs  to  operate  a 
regional  office,  we  asked  IRS  to  provide  this  information  for  two 
regions.   According  to  budget  officials  in  the  Mid-Atlantic  and 
Southwest  Regions,  fiscal  year  1992  obligations  for  those  two 
regions  were  $22  million  and  $26  million,  respectively. 

CONTRIBUTIONS  OF  IRS'  REGIONAL  OFFICES 

The  National  Office  has  traditionally  relied  on  regional  offices 
to  develop  guidance  needed  to  execute  National  Office  policy  and 
otherwise  help  reduce  the  span  of  control  over  a  field  structure 
that  includes  10  service  centers,  63  district  offices,  and  about 
600  posts-of-duty .   It  is  not  surprising,  therefore,  that 
district  office  and  service  center  managers  we  talked  to  said 
that  the  regional  offices  act  as  their  advocates  with  the 
National  Office  and  provide  assistance  and  evaluation. 

IRS  field  managers  also  told  us  that  regional  office  staff,  many 
of  whom  had  worked  in  district  offices  and  service  centers,  are 
in  a  better  position  to  provide  a  field  perspective  on  program 
operation  and  policy  development.   Some  managers  told  us  that 
National  Office  staff  do  not  always  have  the  field  experience 
necessary  to  develop  realistic  guidance  when  implementing  new 

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programs.   District  office  managers  also  said  that  regional 
offices  act  as  advocates  for  the  districts. 

To  assess  the  regions'  role  in  implementing  National  Office 
policy  and  to  gain  a  broader  perspective  on  district  office  and 
service  center  managers'  views  of  IRS  regional  offices,  we  (1) 
have  been  reviewing  how  three  regional  offices  implemented  the 
nonfiler  initiative  that  began  this  fiscal  year  and  (2)  sent  a 
questionnaire  to  all  service  center  directors,  district  office 
directors,  and  service  center  division  chiefs  and  to  a  sample  of 
district  office  division  chiefs. 

The  nonfiler  initiative,  which  is  part  of  IRS'  Compliance  2000 
strategy,  is  aimed  at  bringing  nonfilers  into  the  tax  system  and 
preventing  others  from  becoming  new  nonfilers.   The  Regional 
Commissioner  of  the  Southwest  Region,  acting  on  behalf  of  the 
National  Office,  is  responsible  for  Implementing  the  program  over 
a  2-year  period  beginning  October  1,  1992. 

Preliminary  information  indicates  that  the  regional  offices  have 
generally  had  a  positive  effect  on  the  nonfiler  program.   In  one 
region,  regional  office  staff  from  different  areas  responsible 
for  implementing  the  program  formed  a  nonfiler  working  group  to 
clarify  National  Office  policy  and  guide  district  office  and 
service  center  implementation.   Staff  from  three  district  offices 
in  the  region  commented  favorably  about  the  working  group  and 
mentioned,  as  an  example,  the  group's  role  in  developing  a 
uniform  nonfiler  data  sheet. 

Staff  Use  this  data  sheet  to  help  ensure  that  they  have  all  the 
information  they  need  from  taxpayers  to  help  them  file  their 
returns.   These  data  sheets  also  provide  information  for  IRS  to 
use  in  following  up  with  taxpayers  who  had  called  IRS  and  had 
their  nonfiler  information  recorded  by  a  Taxpayer  Service 
employee.   The  sheets  are  also  important  if  IRS  is  to  have 
reliable  data  on  such  things  as  the  results  of  its  nonfiler 
program  and  the  reasons  for  not  filing.   In  the  absence  of  a  data 
sheet  from  the  National  Office,  some  districts  had  been 
developing  their  own,  and  the  information  required  by  those 
sheets  was  not  consistent  from  district  to  district.   A  data 
sheet  that  will  be  used  universally  by  all  regions  was  finalized 
by  the  National  Office  in  March  1993 — 5  months  after  the  program 
started. 

REGIONAL  OFFICES  CONTRIBUTE  TO 
DUPLICATION  AND  DELAY 

Although  regional  offices  do  several  things  that  contribute  to 
IRS'  mission,  they  also  contribute  to  duplication  and  delay. 

In  our  questionnaire  to  district  and  service  center  managers,  we 
asked  them  to  identify  the  least  useful  services  provided  by 
regional  offices.   In  responding  to  the  questionnaire,  some 
managers  said  that: 

Regional  office  reviews  are  duplicative  and  do  not 
contribute  to  problem  solving.   (Some  IRS  managers  we  spoke 
with  also  complained  about  duplication  in  the  quality  review 
area. ) 

Regional  offices  sometimes  act  as  a  paper  conduit  between 
the  National  Office  and  the  districts/service  centers 
without  adding  any  value  to  communications  between  the  two 
levels  of  the  organization. 

Our  review  of  the  regional  offices'  role  in  the  nonfiler  program 
also  identified  examples  of  the  regional  office  serving  as  a 
conduit.   For  example,  on  September  1,  1992,  a  National  Office 

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assistant  commissioner  sent  a  memo  to  an  Assistant  Regional 
Commissioner  for  Criminal  Investigation  asking  him  to  have  his 
district  chiefs  discuss  IRS'  nonfiler  efforts  with  local  U.S. 
Attorneys  in  preparation  for  implementing  the  program  in  fiscal 
year  1993.   About  3  weeks  later,  the  Assistant  Regional 
Commissioner  sent  a  similar  memorandum  to  the  district  office 
directors.   The  attorneys  may  have  been  contacted  earlier  if  the 
National  Office  had  sent  the  memo  directly  to  the  districts. 

In  a  separate  review  of  offers  in  compromise  being  done  for  the 
Oversight  Subcommittee,  we  encountered  a  delay  in  receiving  data 
from  some  district  offices  because  communications  between  the 
National  Office  and  the  districts  were  funneled  through  the 
regional  offices.   The  district  offices  in  one  region  never 
received  the  communication  and  several  weeks  went  by  before  the 
problem  was  identified  and  resolved. 

In  our  questionnaire,  we  also  asked  district  office  and  service 
center  managers  about  the  extent  to  which  regional  offices 
duplicate  activities  of  other  IRS  offices  without  adding  value. 
Figure  1.2  shows  their  responses,  by  position  title,  based  on  our 
analysis  of  about  50  percent  of  the  returned  questionnaires. 

Figure  1.2:      Field  Managers'  Perceptions  on  the  Extent  to  Which 
Regional  Offices  Duplicate  Activities  of  Other  Offices 


I I   Very  gfeat/gceal  extern 

Moderaie  exient 
^^^H   Some/lillle  or  no  exieni 


Source:   Analysis  of  about  50  percent  of  the  responses  to  a  GAG 
questionnaire. 

OPPORTUNITIES  TO  STREAMLINE 
REGIONAL  OFFICE  OPERATIONS 


We  believe  that  IRS  could  achieve  efficiencies  if  certain 
existing  oversight  responsibilities  were  removed  from  the 

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regional  offices.   Reducing  the  National  Office's  span  of  control 
was  one  of  the  primary  reasons  for  establishing  the  regional 
offices.   Although  the  span  of  control  issue  may  be  valid 
considering  the  current  number  of  district  offices,  it  seems  less 
a  factor  for  oversight  of  service  centers  and  forms  distribution 
centers.   For  example,  since  there  are  only  10  service  centers, 
span  of  control  should  not  be  a  significant  factor.   Span  of 
control  is  even  less  an  issue  for  National  Office  oversight  of 
the  three  forms  distribution  centers.   Currently,  the 
distribution  centers  are  located  within  the  facilities  management 
branch  of  a  district  office.   As  a  result,  requests  for  resources 
and  other  support  must  pass  through  a  district  office  and 
regional  office  to  reach  the  National  Office.   Guidance  to  the 
distribution  centers  filters  down  through  the  same  chain. 

In  July  1991,  we  testified  on  several  options  for  changing  IRS' 
field  structure  that  could  reduce  redundancies  and 
inefficiencies.''  Some  of  these  options  would  further  reduce 
the  need  for  a  regional  presence.   For  example,  we  suggested  that 
IRS  could  consolidate  the  different  telephone  operations  that 
currently  take  place  in  32  taxpayer  assistance  call  sites,  21 
collection  call  sites,  and  the  3  forms  distribution  centers. 
Under  IRS'  current  organizational  structure,  these  telephone 
based  operations  report  through  district  and  regional  offices  to 
the  National  Office.   A  consolidated  telephone  operation  could 
report  directly  to  the  National  Office,  eliminating  the  roles  of 
the  district  and  regional  offices. 

As  we  discuss  below,  within  the  last  year,  IRS  began  taking  some 
important  first  steps  in  considering  some  of  the  options  we 
raised  in  our  July  1991  testimony. 

IRS'  Plans  for  Reorganizing  Its  Field  Structure 

IRS  has  several  initiatives  underway  that  involve  reorganizing 
its  field  structure.   Local  initiatives  in  regional  offices  focus 
on  reducing  duplication  in  resources  management  and 
administrative  functions.   National  Office  initiatives  focus  on 
reducing  the  layers  of  management  IRS-wide  and  diverting  more 
staff  to  front-line  activities.    Both  of  these  efforts  will 
affect  the  future  role  of  IRS'  regional  offices. 

Local  initiatives 

Several  regional  offices  have  undertaken  initiatives  to  reduce 
duplication  within  or  across  their  regional  boundaries.   One 
target  of  opportunity  is  administrative  services  (such  as 
processing  travel  vouchers,  processing  personnel  actions,  and 
recording  accounting  transactions).   These  functions  are 
performed  to  varying  degrees  by  staff  at  district  offices, 
service  centers,  and  regional  offices.   Some  regions  have 
consolidated  or  plan  to  consolidate  these  types  of  administrative 
functions  at  the  regional  level  or  at  a  particular  district 
office.   The  Central  Region,  for  example,  expects  to  reduce  its 
managerial  positions  by  33  percent  by  consolidating  all  of  its 
resources  management  activities.   The  North  Atlantic  Region  plans 
to  consolidate  its  accounting  functions  in  West  Virginia  and  is 
looking  at  the  possibility  of  consolidating  additional 
administrative  functions.   It  has  also  agreed  with  the  Mid- 
Atlantic  and  Southeast  Regions  to  consolidate  administrative 
functions  across  regional  boundaries. 

Information  services  (automated  data  processing  activities) 
provide  another  opportunity  for  consolidation.    For  example,  in 


"Identifying  Options  for  Organizational  and  Business  Changes  at 
IRS  (GAO/T-GGD-91-54,  July  9,  1991). 


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the  past,  the  Central  Region  and  its  districts  each  maintained  a 
cadre  of  computer  specialists  who  managed  office  computer 
resources.   The  Central  Region  recently  sought  National  Office 
approval  to  consolidate  its  information  services  at  the  regional 
level.   It  expects  to  improve  its  service  to  district  and 
regional  office  customers  while  reducing  the  number  of  managers 
at  each  office  and  the  inefficiencies  associated  with  maintaining 
expertise  at  each  office.   It  also  expects  the    streamlined 
organization  to  react  more  quickly  to  technology  changes  and  the 
changes  anticipated  from  TSM. 

National  Office  initiatives 

In  March  1993,  the  Deputy  Commissioner  briefed  IRS  field  offices 
on  decisions  about  structural  realignments  for  the  National  and 
regional  offices.   According  to  IRS  officials,  three  guiding 
principles  were  used  in  making  these  decisions:   (1)  reducing  the 
number  of  executives,  (2)  reducing  the  number  of  layers  of 
management  in  IRS,  and  (3)  reducing  regional  and  National  Office 
positions  by  2,000  and  redeploying  them  to  the  front  line  to 
improve  customer  service.   Using  these  principles,  IRS  has 
decided  to  (1)  downsize  the  regions  by  December  1994  by  reducing 
the  number  of  regional  analysts,  (2)  establish  consolidated  sites 
(the  number  yet  to  be  determined)  to  provide  resources  management 
and  information  services,  and  (3)  reduce  the  number  of  regions 
from  7  to  5  by  December  1995. 

IRS  is  also  considering  changes  that  could  affect  the  number  and 
roles  of  service  centers  and  district  offices.   Such  changes, 
when  decided,  could  further  affect  the  roles  of  regional  offices. 
IRS  plans  to  announce  these  changes  sometime  in  1993. 


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IRS'  CORRESPONDENCE 

In  an  August  21,  1992,  letter  to  IRS,  the  Subcommittee  expressed 
concern  about  a  particular  type  of  correspondence  sent  to 
taxpayers.   The  Subcommittee's  concern  was  that  the 
correspondence,  which  IRS  calls  "interim  letters",  was 
inappropriate  for  the  situation  and  likely  to  generate  additional 
taxpayer  inquiries.   Specifically,  the  taxpayers  had  sent 
payments  to  IRS,  but  IRS'  interim  response  did  not  acknowledge 
that  a  payment  had  been  made.   Instead,  the  interim  response 
contained  language  thanking  the  taxpayer  for  their  "inquiry".   In 
a  September  15,  1992  reply,  IRS  agreed  with  the  Subcommittee's 
concern  and  said  that  it  was  taking  immediate  action  to  change 
the  interim  letter.   You  asked  us  to  determine  if  IRS  had  solved 
the  problem. 

To  respond  to  your  request,  we  reviewed  the  examples  of  interim 
letters  you  provided  us  and  IRS'  response  to  you  describing  the 
corrective  actions  taken.   Then,  at  IRS'  Cincinnati  Service 
Center,  we  sampled  interim  letters  sent  after  IRS  made  its 
changes  to  see  if  the  problem  had  been  corrected.   We  reported 
the  results  of  our  work  to  you  in  an  April  27,  1993  letter. 

The  problem  has  not  been  solved,  primarily  because  IRS  directed 
only  one  of  several  service  center  functions  that  correspond  with 
taxpayers  to  correct  its  procedures.   In  25  of  26  cases  we 
reviewed  from  the  other  functions  where  taxpayers  had  written  to 
IRS  and  sent  payments,  IRS'  response  did  not  acknowledge  receipt 
of  the  payment.   We  also  found  several  other  instances  of  what  we 
believe  to  be  unclear  responses  to  taxpayers  that  did  not  involve 
payments . 

One  reason  IRS  did  not  respond  appropriately  was  that  IRS  staff 
who  prepare  the  letters  did  not  choose  appropriate  language  when 
composing  the  letters  on  IRS'  computerized  letter  writing  system. 
We  do  not  know  why  this  continues  to  occur,  but  we  will  study  the 
problem  in  more  depth  as  part  of  a  broader  review  of  IRS 
correspondence  issues  we  are  doing  for  the  Subcommittee. 


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IRS  FORMS,  PUBLICATIONS,  AND  NOTICES 

At  the  Subconunittee' s  request,  we  assessed  the  accuracy  of 
commonly  used  IRS  forms,  publications,  and  notices.   We  examined 
forms  and  publications  for  conformity  with  current  legal 
requirements  as  stated  in  the  Internal  Revenue  Code  and  Treasury 
Regulations.   To  judge  understandability,  we  compared  notices 
with  purpose  statements  contained  in  IRS'  Taxpayer  Service 
Handbook  and  the  Catalog  of  Federal  Tax  Forms,  Form  Letters  and 
Notices .   We  expect  to  issue  a  report  on  the  results  of  our  work 
by  April  30. 

While  we  did  not  identify  any  instances  where  the  documents  were 
not  in  conformity  with  current  legal  requirements  or  IRS 
guidance,  we  did  identify  59  changes  that  could  be  made  to 
improve  the  understandability  and  usefulness  of  these  documents 
to  taxpayers.   Generally,  we  suggested  changes  directed  toward 
the  use  of  more  specific  language  and  consistent  terminology  and 
the  inclusion  of  appropriate  references  to  IRS  forms  and 
publications.   For  example,  we  suggested  that  the  1991 
instructions  accompanying  Form  2119,  Sale  of  Your  Home,  should 
more  clearly  define  the  term  "sold"  as  it  relates  to  the  date  of 
sale.   The  1991  instructions  did  not  clearly  define  this  term, 
leaving  it  to  be  interpreted  as  either  the  date  a  seller  accepted 
a  contract  from  a  prospective  buyer  or  the  date  title  was 
transferred  from  seller  to  buyer.   We  also  suggested  IRS  consider 
a  new  format  to  display  taxpayer  account  Information  which  is  an 
important  part  of  many  IRS  notices  to  taxpayers.   Our  suggested 
format  more  clearly  compares  data  reported  on  the  taxpayers 's 
return  with  IRS'  proposed  adjustment  to  the  taxpayer's  account. 

IRS  officials  said  that  our  suggestions  would  be  incorporated  as 
the  forms  and  publications  involved  are  revised.   With  respect  to 
notices,  they  agreed  to  consider  the  issues  we  raised  as  each  of 
the  notices  are  revised  and  to  the  extent  IRS'  present  and 
planned  system  of  computers,  printers,  and  related  equipment 
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EXCHANGE  OF  DATA  BETWEEN  IRS  AND  CUSTOMS 

We  recently  submitted  to  the  Subcommittee  on  Oversight 
correspondence  relating  to  the  collection  and  exchange  of  data  by 
IRS  and  Customs.'^   In  general,  the  sharing  of  desired 
information  is  one  way--from  Customs  to  IRS--due  to  the 
disclosure  restrictions  of  Section  6103  of  the  Internal  Revenue 
Code.   Specifically, 

--Customs  officials  said  that  IRS  has  access  to  all 
information  on  importers,  manufacturers,  third  parties,  and 
fraud  investigations  and  that  IRS  can  use  Customs  data  to 
find  undisclosed  related  parties. 

--Section  6103  of  the  Internal  Revenue  Code  prohibits  the 
disclosure  of  taxpayer  information  for  unauthorized  uses. 
Customs'  transfer  pricing  issues  are  not  considered 
authorized  use. 

--IRS  said  that  it  has  given  Customs  access  to  requested  tax 
return  information  when  it  is  relevant  to  a  case  going 
before  a  Federal  grand  jury  and  that  Customs  has  routine 
access  to  the  Currency  and  Banking  Retrieval  System  and  has 
access  to  publicly  available  statistical  information  and 
industry  trend  data. 

We  found  that  each  agency  is  developing  its  own  database  on 
comparable  prices.   In  addition  to  the  Section  6103  barrier,  we 
identified  barriers  to  sharing  of  data  between  the  two  agencies. 
For  instance,  we  noted  that: 

--The  timing  of  IRS'  audits  prevents  it  from  providing 
Customs  with  information  that  is  useful  and  current. 

--IRS  does  not  have  most  of  the  information  desired  by 
Customs  (such  as  examination  reports)  on  an  automated 
database  and  has  no  plans  to  automate  it. 


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