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COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE 
CLEVELAND,  OHIO,  AREA 

PART  2 


MA«VA»i  ««        • 


HEARINGS  ^^'2(i 


BEFORE  THE 


COMMITTEE  ON  UN-AMERICAN  ACTIVITIES 
HOUSE  OE  REPRESENTATIVES 

EIGHTY-SEVENTH  CONGKESS 

SECOND  SESSION 


JUNE  5,  6,  AND  7,  1962 
INCLUDING  INDEX 


Printed  for  the  use  of  the 
Committee  on  Un-American  Activities 


U.S.  GOVERNMENT  PRINTING  OFFICE 
86790  WASHINGTON  :  1962 


COMMITTEE  ON  UN-AMERICAN  ACTIVITIES 

United  States  House  of  Representatives 

FRANCIS  E.  WALTER,  Pennsylvania,  Chairman 
MORGAN  M.  MOULDER,  Missouri  GORDON  H.  SCHERER,  Ohio 

CLYDE  DOYLE,  California  AUGUST  E.  JOHANSEN,  Michigan 

EDWIN  E.  WILLIS,  Louisiana  DONALD  C.  BRUCE,  Indiana 

WILLIAM  M.  TUCK,  Virginia  HENRY  C.  SCHADEBERQ,  Wisconsin 

Francis  J.  McNamaea,  Director 

Feank  S.  Tavenner,  Jr.,  General  Counsel 

Alfred  M.  Nittle,  Counsel 

John  C.  Walsh,  Co-counsel 


CONTENTS 


PART   2 


Afternoon  Session 

June  5,  1962:  p^^^ 

Testimony  of —  .p.-- 

Jean  Krchmarek |"'' 

Pauline  Taylor j"^° 

Frieda  Katz |Xcr 

James  Wells i^°° 

Julia  C.  Brown  (resumed) ^^°^ 

June  6,  1962: 

Testimony  of —  MCf^ 

Julia  C.  Brown  (resumed) }}"^ 

Samuel  Handelman ||y^ 

James  Smid ||^„ 

Frida  Kreitner j||^ 

Martin  Chancey '■^'■^ 

June  7,  1962: 

Testimony  of —  . ,  04. 

Sylvia  Strauss ||^^ 

Abraham  Strauss |j^^ 

Ruth  Emmer jj^o 

Milton  Tenenbaum :[|^^ 

Regina  Sokol ||^^ 

Elsie  R.  Tarcai :[|^2 

Violet  J.  Tarcai ^^^* 

Afternoon  Session 

Eugene  Bayer \\^^ 

NeilE.  Wetterman ^^^^ 

Index 


PART   1 

c  .  989 

Synopsis 

June  4,  1962: 

Testimony  of —  nno 

Julia  C.  Brown --- ^^^ 

Afternoon  Session 

William  Henry  Cooper }0}^ 

Julia  C.  Brown  (resumed) ^"^"^ 

Morning  Session 

June  5,  1962: 

Testimony_of— 

^rtrn     t  T'OGl  1  TY»  nrl  1  

1069 


Julia'C.  Brown  (resumed) J2cn 


Ethel  L.  Goodman ,„-o 

Margaret  Wherry ^"'"^ 

(Index  appears  in  Part  2) 

ni 


Public  Law  601,  79th  Congress 

The  legislation  under  which  the  House  Committee  on  Un-American 
Activities  operates  is  Public  Law  601,  79th  Congress  [1946] ;  60  Stat. 
812,  which  provides : 

Be  it  enacted  hy  the  Senate  and  House  of  Representatives  of  the 
United  States  of  Aniericain  Congress  assembled^  *  *  * 

PART  2— RULES  OF  THE  HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATIVES 

Rule  X 

SEO.  121.    STANDING  COMMITTEES 
******* 

17.  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities,  to  consist  of  nine  Members. 

Rule  XI 

POWERS  AND  DUTIES  OF  COMMITTEES 


(q)  (1)   Committee  on  Un-American  Activities. 

(A)  Un-American  activities. 

(2)  The  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities,  as  a  vphole  or  by  subcommittee, 
is  authorized  to  make  from  time  to  time  investigations  of  (i)  the  extent,  char- 
acter, and  objects  of  un-American  propaganda  activities  in  the  United  States, 
(ii)  the  diffusion  within  the  United  States  of  subversive  and  un-American  propa- 
ganda that  is  instigated  from  foreign  countries  or  of  a  domestic  origin  and  at- 
tacks the  principle  of  the  form  of  government  as  guaranteed  by  our  Constitution, 
and  (iii)  all  other  questions  in  relation  thereto  that  would  aid  Congress  in  any 
necessary  remedial  legislation. 

The  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities  shall  report  to  the  House  (or  to 
the  Clerk  of  the  House  if  the  House  is  not  in  session)  the  results  of  any  such  in- 
vestigation, together  with  such  recommendations  as  it  deems  advisable. 

For  the  purpose  of  any  such  investigation,  the  Committee  on  Un-American 
Activities,  or  any  subcommittee  thereof,  is  authorized  to  sit  and  act  at  such  times 
and  places  within  the  United  States,  whether  or  not  the  House  is  sitting,  has 
recessed,  or  has  adjourned,  to  hold  such  hearings,  to  require  the  attendance  of 
such  witnesses  and  the  production  of  such  books,  papers,  and  documents,  and  to 
take  such  testimony,  as  it  deems  necessary.  Subpenas  may  be  issued  under  the 
signature  of  the  chairman  of  the  committee  or  any  subcommittee,  or  by  any 
member  designated  by  any  such  chairman,  and  may  be  served  by  any  person  des- 
ignated by  any  such  chairman  or  member. 


Rule  XII 

LEGISLATIVE  OVERSIGHT  BY  STANDING  COMMITTEES 

Sec.  136.  To  assist  the  Congress  in  appraising  the  administration  of  the  laws 
and  in  developing  such  amendments  or  related  legislation  as  it  may  deem  neces- 
sary, each  standing  committee  of  the  Senate  and  the  House  of  Representatives 
shall  exercise  continuous  watchfulness  of  the  execution  by  the  administrative 
agencies  concerned  of  any  laws,  the  subject  matter  of  which  is  within  the  juris- 
diction of  such  committee ;  and,  for  that  purpose,  shall  study  all  pertinent 
reports  and  data  submitted  to  the  Congress  by  the  agencies  in  the  executive 
branch  of  the  Government. 


RULES  ADOPTED  BY  THE  87TH  CONGRESS 

House  Resolution  8,  January  3,  1961 

0  0***** 

Rui-E  X 

STANDING   COMMITTEES 

1.  There  shall  be  elected  by  the  House,  at  the  commencement  of  each  Congress, 
******* 

(r)   Committee  on  Un-American  Activities,  to  consist  of  nine  Members. 

0  0***** 

Rule  XI 

POWERS    AND   DUTIES    OF   COMMITTEES 

0  0*0*** 

18.  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities. 

( a )  Un-American  activities. 

(b)  The  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities,  as  a  whole  or  by  subcommittee, 
is  authorized  to  make  from  time  to  time  investigations  of  (1)  the  extent,  char- 
acter, and  objects  of  un-American  propaganda  activities  in  the  United  States, 
(2)  the  diffusion  within  the  United  States  of  subversive  and  un-American  prop- 
aganda that  is  instigated  from  foreign  countries  or  of  a  domestic  origin  and 
attacks  the  principle  of  the  form  of  government  as  guaranteed  by  our  Constitu- 
tion, and  (3)  all  other  questions  in  relation  thereto  that  would  aid  Congress  in 
any  necessary  remedial  legislation. 

The  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities  shall  report  to  the  House  (or  to  the 
Clerk  of  the  House  if  the  House  is  not  in  session)  the  results  of  any  such  investi- 
gation, together  with  such  recommendations  as  it  deems  advisable. 

For  the  purpose  of  any  such  investigation,  the  Committee  on  Un-American 
Activities,  or  any  subcommittee  thereof,  is  authorized  to  sit  and  act  at  such  times 
and  places  within  the  United  States,  whether  or  not  the  House  is  sitting,  has 
recessed,  or  has  adjourned,  to  hold  such  hearings,  to  require  the  attendance 
of  such  witnesses  and  the  production  of  such  books,  papers,  and  documents,  and 
to  take  such  testimony,  as  it  deems  necessary.  Subpenas  may  be  issued  imder 
the  signature  of  the  chairman  of  the  committee  or  any  subcommittee,  or  by  any 
member  designated  by  any  such  chairman,  and  may  be  served  by  any  person  desig- 
nated by  any  such  chairman  or  member. 

******* 

27.  To  assist  the  House  in  appraising  the  administration  of  the  laws  and  in 
developing  such  amendments  or  related  legislation  as  it  may  deem  necessary, 
each  standing  committee  of  the  House  shall  exercise  continuous  watchfulness 
of  the  execution  by  the  administrative  agencies  concerned  of  any  laws,  the  subject 
matter  of  which  is  within  the  jurisdiction  of  such  committee ;  and,  for  that  pur- 
pose, shall  study  all  pertinent  reports  and  data  submitted  to  the  House  by  the 
agencies  in  the  executive  branch  of  the  Government. 

VI 


C0M3IUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE  CLEVELAND,  OHIO, 

AREA 

Part  2 


TUESDAY  AFTERNOON — JUNE   5,    1962 

Unii'ed  States  House  of  Representatives, 

Subcommittee  of  thIe 
Committee  on  Un-American  Activities, 

Washington,  D.G. 

PUBLIC    hearings 

The  subcommittee  of  the  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities  re- 
convened at  2  p.m.,  Hon.  Francis  E.  Walter  (chairman)  presiding. 

Subcommittee  members  present:  Representatives  Walter,  Doyle, 
Scherer,  Johansen,  Bruce ;  also  present  Representative  Schadeberg. 

The  Chairman.  The  committee  will  be  in  order.  Mr.  Nittle,  call 
your  next  witness. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Will  Jean  Krchmarek  please  come  forward  ? 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand  ? 

Do  you  solemnly  swear  that  the  testimony  you  will  give  will  be 
the  truth,  the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you 
God? 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  JEAN  KRCHMAREK,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FORER 

Mr.  Nittle,  Would  you  state  your  name,  please  ? 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  My  name  is  Jean  Krchmarek,  K-r-c-h-m-a-r-e-k. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  see  that  you  are  represented  by  counsel. 

Will  counsel  please  identify  himself  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  Forer.  Joseph  Forer,  Washington,  D.C. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Where  were  you  born,  Mrs.  Krclmiarek  ? 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  I  was  born  in  the  District  of  Columbia. 

Mr.  NiTTiJi.  Are  you  currently  employed  by  the  Communist  Party 
in  any  capacity? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  lOiCHMAREK.  Sir,  I  must  decline  to  answer  that  question.  I 
invoke  the  privilege  of  the  fifth  amendment;  and  furthermore,  I  feel 
that  it  violates  my  rights  under  the  first  amendment  to  the  Con- 
stitution. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  currently  employed  as  a  columnist  for  The 
Worker? 

Mrs.  KJRCHMAREK.  I  must  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the 
grounds  previously  stated. 

1077 


1078  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

The  Chairman".  You  said  you  must  decline.  You  are  not  under 
any  compulsion. 

Mrs.  Kechmarek.  I  do  decline.     I  am  sorry. 

The  Chairman.  That  is  better. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  at  the  present  time  a  member  of  the  Com- 
munist Party  ? 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  I  also  decline  to  ansTver  that  question  on  the 
grounds  previously  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  at  this  instant  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party? 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  Again  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  loiow  Julia  Brown  ? 

Mrs.  EjtCHMAREK.  Again  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you,  at  the  time  Julia  Brown  was  a  resident  of 
Cleveland,  a  section  leader  of  the  Northeast  Section  of  the  Communist 
Party? 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  grounds 
that  I  previously  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  said  leader,  did  you  have  the  responsibility  of  di- 
recting the  activities  of  the  Communist  clubs  established  in  the  North- 
east Section? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  I  did  not  state  that — 

You  made  the  presumption — that  I  had  not  said.  I  think  that  is  an 
unfair  and  a  loaded  question,  and  I  decline  to  answer  it  on  the  same 
grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  participate  in  the  organization  of  a  farewell 
party  given  on  June  11,  1960,  for  Elizabeth  Hall,  wife  of  Gus  Hall, 
now  general  secretary  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Krchmarek.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question,  on  the  grounds 
previously  stated. 

_Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  it  is  quite  obvious  this  witness 
will  not  answer  any  of  the  questions  put  to  her.  The  staff  has  no 
further  questions. 

The  Chairman.  The  witness  is  discharged. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Pauline  Taylor,  will  you  come  f oi-ward  ? 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand  ? 

Do  you  swear  that  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the 
truth,  the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  PAULINE  TAYLOR,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  CO'ONSEL 

JOSEPH  FOEEE 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  please  state  your  name  for  the  record  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Pauline  Taylor. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  note  that  you  are  represented  by  coimsel. 

Will  coimsel  please  identify  himself  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  Forer.  Joseph  Forer. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  were  you  born,  Mrs.  Taylor  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  In  the  Unit"ed  States. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Where  in  the  United  States  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  In  the  State  of  Alabama. 


COJVIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE    CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1079 

Mr.  SciiEREK.  In  what  city  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Well,  it  is  a  village;  Lockliart. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Lockliart,  Alabama  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  It  is  not  Lockliart  any  more. 

Mr.  NiTiLE.  Mrs.  Taylor,  you  appeared  before  this  committee  on  a 
previous  occasion,  November  27,  1956 ;  is  that  correct  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  What  was  the  question  ? 

Mr.  NiiTLE.  Will  you  read  it,  Mr.  Reporter? 

(The  question  referred  to  was  read  by  the  reporter.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  can't  be  sure  of  the  date.  I  believe  the  year  was 
1956. 

The  Chairman.  Did  we  find  out  what  your  present  address  is? 
What  is  your  present  address  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mine?     313  Chicago  Avenue. 

The  Chairman.  In  Chicago  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  No,  Chicago  Avenue. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  In  Youngstown,  Ohio  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  That  is  right. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  presently  active  in  the  Communist  Party  in 
the  Youngstown  area? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question,  because  it  is  not 
pertinent;  and  also  on  the  rights  of  my  protection  under  the  first 
amendment  and  my  privilege  under  the  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Taylor,  I  w^as  talking  about  your  prior  appear- 
ance before  this  committee  in  November  1956.  At  that  time,  you 
were  questioned  by  Mr.  Arens,  who  asked  you  this  question :  "Mrs. 
Taylor,  are  you  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ?" 

Your  reply  was :  "I  am  not,  Mr.  Chairman." 

When  you  stated  at  that  time  that  you  were  not  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  in  response  to  that  question,  were  you  telling  the 
truth  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question,  under 
the  protection  that  I  have  already  asked  for  under  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  put  it  to  you  as  a  fact,  Mrs.  Taylor,  that  at  the  time 
you  responded  to  that  inquiry  you  were  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party. 

Mr.  FoRER,  No  question  has  been  asked. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  affirm  or  deny  that  fact  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same 
grounds,  on  my  protection  under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Arens  also  asked  you :  "Have  you  ever  taken  or- 
ders from  the  Communist  Party?";  to  which  you  replied,  "I  have 
not." 

Were  you  telling  the  truth  at  that  time  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  under 
the  protection  of  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  were  a  sworn  witness  when  you  testified  that  you 
had  not  taken  orders  from  the  Communist  Party,  were  you  not? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  your  question  under  the  same 
protection. 


1080  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Arens  also  asked,  while  you  were  a  witness  under 
oath:  "Did  you  ever  hear  of  a  Communist  who  was  not  actually  a 
member  of  the  party,  but  was  under  party  discipline  so  he  could  be 
used  by  the  party  and  not  be  easily  exposed?  Did  you  ever  hear  of 
that  technique?";  to  which  you  replied:  "Mr,  Chairman,  I  decline  to 
answer  that  question  under  the  protection  of  the  fifth  amendment." 

In  view  of  your  refusal  to  answer  that  question  at  that  time,  would 
you  be  willing  to  answer  that  question  now,  if  I  put  it  to  you  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  No. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  would  not  be  willing  to  answer  the  question? 

Mr.  FoRER.  She  answered  that  question. 

The  Chairman.  She  answered. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Have  you,  Mrs.  Taylor,  received  instructions  from  the 
Communist  Party,  or  persons  known  to  you  to  be  members  of  the 
Communist  Party,  to  infiltrate  any  church  in  the  Cleveland  or  Youngs- 
town  area  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  previous 
grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you,  in  the  course  of  the  latter  part  of  last  year, 
have  occasion  to  speak  at  a  women's  meeting  before  a  church  group, 
at  which  time  you  stated  you  had  received  a  communication  from  a 
woman  in  South  Vietnam  asking  for  your  help  to  work  for  the  re- 
moval of  our  troops  from  that  place ;  and  you  further  told  this  group 
that  although  you  did  not  have  the  communication,  you  were  told  that 
dogs  were  being  set  upon  tied  civilians  and  that  women  were  having 
reptiles  injectecl  into  their  reproductive  organs,  and  that  this  was 
what  our  troops  were  doing,  that  is.  United  States  troops,  in  South 
Vietnam  ? 

Did  you  or  did  you  not  make  that  or  a  similar  statement  before  a 
women's  group  in  a  church  meeting? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  further  state  that  this  conduct  was  sanctioned 
by  U.S.  Army  officials,  and  that  the  actions  of  the  American  Armed 
Forces  overseas  were  disgraceful?  And  did  you  add  that  your  son 
had  been  in  the  Army  and  had  knowledge  of  this  ? 

I  ask  you  to  affirm  or  deny  that  account. 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds  f)reviously 
stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Taylor,  at  the  time  the  United  States  was  associ- 
ated with  Soviet  Russia  in  World  War  II,  were  you  at  that  time  very 
active  in  promoting  the  defense  effort  of  the  United  States  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  previous 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  not  at  that  time  work,  as  you  have  said  in  one 
of  your  pamphlets,  with  the  United  States  Employment  Service,  to 
cut  down  absenteeism,  and  were  you  not,  to  use  your  words,  "visit- 
ing homes  to  find  out  what  caused  workers  to  take  time  off  vital  war 
work  in  steel  and  putting  up  a  fight  to  change  bad  conditions"  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Are  you  asking  the  question? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes. 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  previously  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  show  you  a  pamphlet,  identified  as  Taylor  Exliibit 
No.  1,  titled  "Peace  Is  Possible,"  which  is  described  on  page  12  thereof 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE    CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1081 

as  a  report  from  Pauline  Taylor,  issued  "as  a  public  service"  by  the 
Progressive  Party  of  Ohio,  5103  Euclid  Avenue,  Cleveland,  Ohio. 

Will  you  examine  that  pamphlet,  please? 

Now  I  want  to  ask  you,  Mrs.  Taylor:  Do  you  recognize  it? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  object  to  the  question  as  not  being  pertinent. 

Mv.  Ni-FTLE.  Will  3'ou  tell  us  who  wrote  that  pamphlet  for  you  ? 

]Mr.  FoRER.  What  was  that  question  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  that  is  a  loaded  question.     I  didn't 
say  that  I  wrote  it  or  that  anybody  wrote  it  for  me. 

The  Chairman.  Did  you  write  it? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  object,  because  the  question  is  not 
pertinent. 

The  Chairman.  Now,  I  direct  you  to  answer  the  question  whether 
or  not  you  wrote  that  pamphlet. 

Mr.  Forer.  There  is  no  explanation  of  the  pertinency,  Mr.  Chair- 
man. 

The  Chairman.  No.     We  know  why  we  want  the  question  answered. 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mrs.  Tayt^or.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  refuse,  on  the  grounds  previously 
stated  under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  refused  to  answer  that  question  ? 

Mr.  FoRER.  Yes,  she  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  On  what  basis  did  you  refuse? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  On  the  grounds  of  my  rights  under  the  first  amend- 
ment and  my  privilege  under  the  fifth. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  that  pamphlet  written  for  you  or  delivered  to 
you  by  persons  known  to  be  Communists? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  What  are  you  talking  about? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  pamphlet  entitled  "Peace  Is  Possible,"  to  which 
we  were  referring. 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer,  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendment,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  address  which  that  exhibit  bears  is  5103  Euclid 
Avenue.  Was  that  the  office  of  the  One  World  Book  Shop,  operated 
by  Frida  and  Morris  Kreitner? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  ]\Ir.  Chairman,  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the 
previous  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  that  pamphlet  in  fact  circulated  from  that  book- 
shop? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previous  stated 
grounds. 

(Document  marked  "Taylor  Exhibit  No.  1"  and  retained  in  commit- 
tee files.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  know  Frida  Kreitner  as  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previous  stated 
grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  know  Morris  Kreitner  as  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previous  stated 
grounds. 


1082  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,  AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  show  you  Taylor  Exhibit  No.  2,  a  booklet  titled  "We 
Pledge  Peace,"  A  Friendship  Book,  published  by  the  American  Rus- 
sian Institute,  Inc.,  101  Post  Street,  San  Francisco  8,  California. 

Did  you  make  i\  contribution  to  this  booklet  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  A^"hat  is  the  question  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE,  1  point  out  to  you  page  62  of  this  booklet  on  which 
appears  an  article  titled  "If  Our  People  Knew  The  Truth"— "Pauline 
Taylor,  peace  leader,  church  loorker,  Youngstown,  Ohio." 

Did  you  write  that  article  for  that  booklet  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  object  to  the  question,  because  it  isn't  pertinent,  Mr. 
Chairman. 

The  Chairmax.  You  are  directed  to  answer  the  question. 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question,  on 
the  grounds  that  it  is  not  pertinent,  and  under  the  privilege  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments,  as  previously  stated. 

(Document  marked  "Taylor  Exhibit  No.  2"  and  retained  in  com- 
mittee files.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  If  I  may,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  like  to  read  a  por- 
tion of  that  article  from  page  62  of  Exhibit  2,  which  appears  under 
the  byline  of  Mrs.  Taylor : 

In  November  1950,  as  chairman  of  the  Ohio  Women  for  Peace,  I  went  as  a 
delegate  from  Ohio  to  the  Second  World  Peace  Congress  in  Warsaw.  After  the 
Congress,  19  of  us  from  the  United  States  were  invited  by  the  Soviet  Peace 
Committee  to  visit  their  country  for  two  weelcs. 

In  Russia  I  found  great  concentration  of  the  people  on  peaceful  work.  Though 
there  was  concern  over  the  war  danger,  the  flames  and  bloodshed  of  actual 
war  seemed  remote  in  these  countries.  Everyone  was  building,  working,  farm- 
ing and  they  seemed  very  much  like  us.  They  showed  us  great  housing  projects, 
schools  and  irrigation  canals,  subways,  and  forests  being  planted,  and  they  said : 
"If  we  planned  to  start  a  war,  do  you  think  we  would  be  spending  billions  of 
rubles  and  millions  of  tons  of  scarce  steel  and  concrete  on  these  projects,  which 
will  take  years  to  finish,  and  have  little  or  no  military  value?" 

I  ask,  Mrs.  Taylor :  Who  wrote  that  article  for  you  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  that  is  a  loaded  and  an  insulting 
question. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Let  me  put  it  this  way :  Did  you  write  that  article  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Mr.  Chairman,  my  objection  is  because  the  question 
is  not  pertinent. 

The  Chairman.  Answer  the  question. 

Mrs.  Taylor.  And  the  grounds  of  the  right  under  the  first  amend- 
ment and  my  privilege  under  the  fifth  amendment. 

The  Chairman.  Did  you  go  to  Europe  as  a  delegate  to  some  sort 
of  a  meeting? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

The  CiiAiRMAN.  Do  you  really  feel  that  if  you  were  held  to  answer 
the  question  as  to  whether  or  not  you  had  taken  a  trip  abroad,  you 
might  be  prosecuted  criminally? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Taylor.  It  is  possible. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,  AREA  1083 

Tlie  CiiAiKMAN.  Have  you  ever  been  national  committeewoman,  and 
Ohio  State  secretary,  of  the  Progressive  Party? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

The  Chairman,  On  the  grounds  that  you  might  be  prosecuted;  is 
that  it? 

Mrs.  Tatlor,  The  first  amendment,  "which  are  my  rights,  and  the 
fifth  amendment,  whicli  is  my  privilege.  And  the  question  is  not 
pertinent, 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Can  you  tell  us  of  your  own  knowledge  whether  that 
item  was  written  by  a  person  known  to  you  to  be  a  representative  of 
a  foreign  power? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  Wliat  item  are  you  speaking  of,  Mr.  Chairman  ? 

Mr.  XiTTLE.  The  article  which  appears  in  the  booklet  I  mentioned, 
"We  Pledge  Peace." 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question,  because  it  is  not  per- 
tinent, and  under  my  rights  in  the  first  amendment  and  the  privilege 
of  the  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  did  not  ask  that  question  without  point,  Mrs.  Taylor. 

Did  you  arrange  for  the  attendance  of  certain  Comnumists  of  the 
Cleveland  area  at  the  Polish  Embassy  in  Washington? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question,  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiiTLE.  Did  you  not  in  fact  appear  at  a  banquet  at  the  Polish 
Embassy  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  was  not  Julia  Brown  in  attendance  at  that  ban- 
quet with  you  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  the  Communist  Party  of  the  Cleveland  area  pay 
your  expenses  to  attend  that  banquet  ? 

Mrs.  Taylor.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

jNIr.  N1TTI.E.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  ask  leave  to  insert  in  the  record  the 
citation  of  the  American  Russian  Institute  of  San  Francisco,  the  pub- 
lisher of  Taylor  Exhibit  No.  2  to  which  we  have  been  referring.  It 
was  cited  by  Attorney  General  Tom  Clark  as  a  Communist  organiza- 
tion.^ 

I  have  no  further  questions  of  this  witness,  Mr.  Chairman. 

The  Chairman.  Any  questions? 

The  witness  is  excused. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  Frieda  Katz  come  forward,  please  ? 

The  Chairman".  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand  ? 

Do  you  swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth, 
the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you,  God? 

Mrs.  KLvTZ.  I  do. 


1  Cited  as  a  Communist  organization.  (Attorney  General  Tom  Clark,  letter  to  Loyalty 
Review  Board,  releai-ed  September  21,  1948.)  (See  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities, 
Guide  to  Subversive  Organizations  and  Publications,  House  Doc.  39S,  p.  29  (S7th  Cong.), 
Dec.  1,  1961. 


1084  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

TESTIMONY  OF  FRIEDA  KATZ,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FOEER 

Mr,  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  name,  please? 

Mrs.  Katz.  My  name  is  Frieda  Katz. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  represented  by  comisel  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  Yes,  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  counsel  f)lease  identify  himself  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  FoRER.  Joseph  Forer. 

Mrs.  Katz.  Will  the  committee  give  me  permission  to  read  a  state- 
ment ? 

The  Chairman.  No.  You  can  leave  the  statement,  and  if  we  thmk 
that  it  is  relevant,  we  will  make  it  a  part  of  the  record. 

Mrs.  Katz.  Thank  you. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Does  the  statement  contain  any  references  as  to  whether 
or  not  you  are  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  as  of  this  moment? 

Mr.  FoRER.  Well,  all  you  have  to  do  is  look  at  the  statement. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party,  Mrs.  Katz, 
as  of  this  moment  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  should  like  to  use  my  privilege  under  the  fifth  amend- 
ment of  the  Constitution  of  the  United  States,  and  my  privileges  and 
rights  under  the  first  amendment  to  the  Constitution,  of  freedom  of 
speech,  redress  to  the  Congress,  and  so  on. 

The  Chairman.  You  said,  "I  should  like  to."     Do  you? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  do.     I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  those  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Do  you  loiow  Julia  Brown  ? 
_  Mrs.  Katz.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously  men- 
tioned grounds. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Witness,  were  you  in  the  hearing  room  during  the 
time  that  Julia  Brown  testified  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Katz.  Yes ;  I  was  present. 

Mr.  Scherer.  You  heard  her  testimony  ? 

Mr.  Forer.  During  part  of  the  time,  I  think. 

Mrs.  Katz.  Part  of  the  time.     That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Did  you  hear  testimony  with  reference  to  you  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  did  not  hear  all  of  the  testimony. 

Mr.  Scherer.  You  heard  part  of  it  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  heard  part  of  it. 

The  Chairman.  Whose  testimony  are  you  talking  about? 

Mr.  Forer.  He  is  talking  about  Julia  Brown's  testimony. 

The  Chairman.  Let  the  witness  answer  the  question. 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  must  refuse  to  answer  the  question,  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Now,  is  there  anything  that  Julia  Brown  said  about 
you  that  is  untrue  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously  stated 
groimds,  under  the  first  amendment  and  the  fifth  amendment  to  the 
Constitution. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Was  Julia  Brown  telling  the  truth  when  she  identified 
you  as  one  of  the  leading  Communists  in  the  State  of  Ohio  ? 


COMIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1085 

Mrs.  Katz,  I  must  refuse  to  answer  this  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  I  have  no  f  urtlier  questions  at  this  time. 

The  Chairman.  Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Do  you  also  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  ground 
that  the  statements  made  by  Julia  Brown  are  true? 

]\Irs.  Katz.  I  have  already  stated  the  grounds  on  which  I  have  re- 
fused to  answer  the  questions.  These  are  my  constitutional  guarantees 
of  freedom  of  speech,  and  the  right  not  to  incriminate  myself,  and 
these  are  the  grounds  on  which  I  have  refused  and  will  decline  to  an- 
swer questions. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  state  as  a  fact,  Mrs.  Katz,  that  you  were  also  a  mem- 
ber of  the  Communist  Party  prior  to  your  marriage  to  Dave  Katz, 
and  that  you  were  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  under  the  name 
of  Frieda  Zucker. 

Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  assertion  ? 

Mrs.  EL\tz.  I  shall  refuse  to  answer,  under  the  previously  stated 
grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Is  it  not  a  fact  that  under  the  name  Frieda  Zucker  you 
were  the  secretary  of  the  Tom  Paine  branch  of  the  Communist  Party 
in  Cleveland,  Ohio,  and  you  were  so  listed  in  the  Ohio  1939  yearbook 
of  the  Coimnunist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Ivatz.  I  again  refuse  to  answer  the  question  under  the  previ- 
ously stated  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Do  you  know  Abe  Strauss  ? 

Mrs.  IC\TZ.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  previously  stated 
grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Were  you  the  executive  secretary  of  the  Civil  Rights 
Congress  in  Cleveland,  Ohio  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  decline  to  answer  the  question,  again  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  like  to  read  into  the  record  a 
reference  to  the  Civil  Rights  Congress  as  it  appears  in  the  committee's 
Guide  to  Subversive  Organizations  and  Publications. 

There  is  a  footnote  on  page  44,  as  follows: 

lu  response  to  a  petition  from  the  Attorney  General  for  an  SACB  order  I'equir- 
ing  the  Civil  Rights  Congress  to  register  as  a  Communist-front  organization, 
the  SACB  held  hearings  between  November  1954  and  June  1955  *  *  *.  There- 
after, the  Civil  Rights  Congress  moved  to  dismiss  the  Attorney  General's  petition 
on  the  ground  that  the  organization  had  dissolved  on  January  6,  195G.  The 
SACB  denied  the  request  to  dismiss  the  petition,  stating  that  the  Civil  Rights 
Congress  had  "failed  factually  to  establish  its  dissolution,  and  in  any  event,  that 
under  the  proper  application  of  the  [Internal  Security]  Act  dissolution  of  the 
respondent  would  not  divest  the  Board  of  jurisdiction." 

Now^,  I  ask  you,  Mrs.  Katz,  as  its  executive  secretary,  was  the  Civil 
Rights  Congress  in  Cleveland  dissolved  by  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  must  decline  to  answer  this  question  on  the  previous 
grounds  stated. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  not  presently  the  secretary  of  the  Ohio  Bill 
of  Rights  Conference? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  must  decline  to  answer  that  question,  on  previously 
stated  grounds. 

]Mr.  Nittle.  And  was  not  that  local  organization  a  counterpart  of 
the  national  organization  titled  "Civil  Rights  Congress"  ? 


1086  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE    CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  again  decline  on  previously  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  state  to  you  as  a  fact  that  your  name  appears  in  the 
City  Directory  of  Cleveland  as  secretary  of  the  Ohio  Bill  of  Rights 
Conference,  2014  East  105th  Street,  Room  202. 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  must  again  decline  to  answer  the  question  on  the 
previously  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Now,  Mrs.  Brown  testified  that  about  the  mid-1950's, 
the  Communist  Party  headquarters,  which  was  then  operating  under 
the  disguise  of  its  front  names,  had  moved  its  quarters  from  Euclid 
Avenue  to  2014  East  105th  Street,  Room  202. 

Do  you  affirm  or  deny  that  testimony  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  shall  again  decline  to  answer  the  question  on  the 
previous  grounds  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  not  the  Civil  Rights  Congress  and  the  Ohio  Bill 
of  Rights  Conference  one  and  the  same  organization? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  must  again  decline  to  answer  the  question  on  the 
grounds  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  not  this  a  case  of  the  same  Communist  group  in 
Cleveland  operating  under  different  disguises  and  names  to  confuse 
the  public  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  repeat  my  declination  on  the  grounds  previously 
stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  did  not  tlie  Communist  Party  succeed  in  duping 
many  Negro  people  in  that  area  ? 

Mrs.  Katz.  I  have  already  indicated  my  reasons  for  declining  to 
answer.  I  do  not  see  the  point  in  the  continued  making  of  such  state- 
ments. I  am  declining  to  answer  under  my  rights  under  the  first 
amendment  to  the  Constitution,  and  the  fifth  amendment,  not  to 
incriminate  myself. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  staff  has  no  further  questions,  Mr.  Chairman. 

The  Chairman.  Are  there  any  questions  ? 

The  witness  is  excused. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  James  Wells  please  come  forward  ? 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand  ? 

Do  you  swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth, 
the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you,  God  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  JAMES  WELIS,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOHN  HAEMON 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  name,  please. 

]Mr.  Wells.  James  Wells. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  see  you  are  represented  by  counsel,  Mr.  Wells. 

Will  counsel  please  identify  himself  ? 

Mr.  Harmon.  My  name  is  John  Harmon.  I  am  a  volunteer  at- 
torney for  the  American  Civil  Liberties  Union. 

The  Chairman.  Located  where? 

Mr.  Harmon.  Washington,  D.C. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  do  you  presently  reside,  Mr.  Wells  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  Cleveland,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Wliat  is  your  occupation  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  Well,  it  has  been  for  the  last  5  years  making  a  living 
any  kind  of  way  I  could,  because  there  was  no  job. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE    CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1087 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  presently  unemployed  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  how  old  are  you  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  1  am  54  years  old. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  show  you  a  copy  of  a  letter  identified  as  Wells  Ex- 
hibit No.  1.  It  is  dated  December  21st,  1955,  and  the  letterhead  bears 
the  legend,  "Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference,  Affiliated  with  Civil 
Rights  Congress,  Cleveland  6,  Ohio,"  on  which  appears  the  signatures 
"James  Wells,  Chairman,"  and  "Frieda  Katz,  Executive  Secretary." 

I  ask  you  first  to  examine  that. 

(Document  was  handed  to  the  witness.) 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Have  you  had  an  opportunity  to  look  at  that,  Mr. 
Wells? 

Mr.  Wells.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  see  that  your  attorney  and  you  together  examined 
it ;  is  that  correct  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  is  the  extent  of  your  education,  Mr.  Wells? 

Mr.  Wells.  Well,  4th  grade. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  you  went  no  further  than  the  4th  grade. 

Did  you  see  the  previous  witness  who  identified  herself  as  Frieda 
Katz,  well-dressed  and  evidently  highly  educated,  appearing  just 
before  you  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

jNIr.  Wells.  I  don't  understand  that  question. 

The  Chair:max.  Did  you  see  the  witness  who  preceded  you  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  I  want  you  to  relate  to  me  the  pertinency  of  the 
question. 

The  ChairMz\n.  What  did  you  say  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  I  want  to  know  the  pertinency  of  the  question. 

The  Chairma:n^.  You  are  directed  to  answer  the  question. 

Mr.  Wells.  Well,  under  the  fifth  amendment,  I  refuse  to  answer 
the  question  because  I  cannot  be  forced  to  testify  against  myself.  I 
mean  under  the  fifth  amendment. 

The  Chairmax.  I  want  to  make  sure  that  you  know  what  you  are 
doing.   The  question  was :  Did  you  see  the  preceding  witness  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  I  am  not  acquainted  with  how  that  question  was  ex- 
plained, and  how  it  related  to  me. 

The  Chairman.  I  could  not  hear  you.  TYliat  was  your  answer? 
Mr.  Harmon,  let  the  witness  answer  the  question. 

Mr.  Wells.  I  want  to  know  :  How  did  that  question  relate  to  me? 

The  Chairman.  I  direct  you  to  answer  the  question :  Did  you  see 
the  witness  who  preceded  you  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  under  the  fifth 
amendment. 

]\Ir.  NiiTLE.  Your  name  ap]:)ears  on  Exhibit  No.  1  as  James  Wells, 
chairman  of  the  Ohio  Bill  of  Riglits  Conference,  does  it  not? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

86790— 62— pt.  2 2 


1088  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE    CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  Wells.  Well,  what  I  want  you  to  explain — how  that  relates 
to  my  appearance  here. 

The  Chairman.  You  are  directed  to  answer  the  question. 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  to  answer  on — I  mean  under  the  first  amend- 
ment and  the  fifth. 

(Document  marked  "Wells  Exhibit  No.  1"  and  retained  in  com- 
mittee files.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  in  fact  the  chairman  of  the  Ohio  Bill  of 
Eights  Conference? 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  previously  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Now,  Mr.  Wells,  I  am  going  to  ask  you  to  read  that 
letter. 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  to  read  it. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Wliere  is  the  letter  now  ? 

The  point  counsel  was  trying  to  make  was  the  fact  that  a  man  with- 
out educational  attainments  could  not  possibly  write  this  letter.  Is 
that  the  point  you  are  trying  to  make  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  Mr.  Scherer.     That  is  exactly  the  point. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  It  is  signed  by  James  Wells,  chairman,  and  Frieda 
Katz,  executive  secretary. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  know  that  Frieda  Katz  was  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  at  the  time  you  were  acting  with  her  as  an  official 
of  the  Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  ask,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  the  record  indicate  that 
counsel  has  talked  to  the  witness.     Will  you  answer  that  question  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  to  answer  it,  under  the  first  and  fifth  amend- 
ments, because  under  the  first  it  violates  my  rights  of  freedom,  speech 
and  associates,  and  under  the  fifth,  it  is  the  privilege,  under  which 
I  don't  have  to  incriminate  myself. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Wells,  will  you  tell  us  whether  you  felt  in  your 
own  mind  that  you  were  able  to  act  as  chairman  of  the  Ohio  Bill  of 
Rights  Conference  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  Well,  I  want  to  Imow  how  that  relates  to  my  appearance 
here. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  feel  you  had  sufficient  knowledge  and  ability 
and  education  to  act  as  chairman  of  this  propaganda  operation  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  under  the  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  it  your  desire  to  serve  the  Communist  Party  in 
some  capacity  at  that  time  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  I  object  to  that  question  under  the  first  amendment,  and 
I  refuse  to  answer  it  under  the  fifth. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Did  you  ask  the  witness.  Counsel,  with  reference  to 
his  own  Communist  Party  membership  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  have  not,  Mr.  Scherer.     I  will  proceed  to  do  so. 

Are  you  now  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  under  the  fifth  amend- 
ment. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Counsel,  I  do  not  recall  whether  the  witness  Julia 
Brown  identified  this  man  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  l089 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  sir,  she  did.  She  positively  identified  him  and  re- 
lated the  extent  of  his  activities. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Mr.  Wells,  you  were  in  the  room  when  Julia  Brown 
identified  you  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  and  told  about 
your  activities  in  the  Communist  Party,  were  you  not  ? 

Mr.  Wells.  I  refuse  to  answer,  under  the  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  Sciierer.  I  did  not  ask  you  anything  except  wliether  you  were 
in  the  room  when  she  testified. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Wells.  I  still  refuse  under  the  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Was  anything  that  Julia  Brown  said  about  you 
untrue  ?     Now,  this  is  your  chance. 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Scherer.  Tell  us  whether  anything  she  said  about  you  and  your 
membership  in  the  Communist  Party  and  your  activities  in  the  Com- 
munist Party  was  untrue. 

Mr.  Wells.  For  the  reasons  previously  stated  under  the  fifth 
amendment,  I  still  refuse. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  participate  in  any  of  the  activities  of  the  Pro- 
visional Organizing  Committee  for  a  Marxist-Leninist  Communist 
Party,  known  as  the  POC,  on  or  about  1958,  or  thereafter? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Wells.  That  question  violates  my  first  amenchnent  right,  and 
I  refuse  to  answer  it  under  the  fifth. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mr.  Chairman,  the  staff  has  no  further  questions. 

(The  witness  was  excused.) 

The  Chairman.  Call  your  next  witness. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Would  Julia  Brown  please  resume  the  stand? 

TESTIMONY  OF  JULIA  C.  BROWN— Resumed 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Brown,  the  committee  would  like  to  turn  briefly  to 
the  organization  of  the  Communist  Party  structure  in  Cleveland,  Ohio. 

This  committee  last  November  received  a  great  deal  of  testimony 
with  respect  to  the  Comnuuiist  Party  organization  nationally  and 
with  respect  to  its  international  ties.  Your  long  experience  in  the 
Communist  Party  would  indicate  that  you  miglit  well  add  some  de- 
tails, at  least,  to  our  store  of  knowledge,  or  miglit  confirm  certain 
conclusions  that  can  be  reached  based  upon  such  testimony. 

The  evidence  indicates  that  the  party  today  persists  as  it  was  origi- 
nally conceived  by  Lenin,  and  slavishly  operates  upon  the  principles 
laid  down  by  him.  Lenin  pointed  out  that  the  party  was  not  a  party 
of  reform.  He  confirmed  that  it  was  not  a  democratic  party,  but  a 
revolutionary  organization,  organized  for  rebellion  and  agitation  and 
must  therefore  be,  and  I  now  quote  Lenin : 

*  *  *  A  small,  compact  core,  cousistiug:  of  reliable,  experienced  and  hardened 
workers,  with  responsible  agents  in  the  principal  districts  and  connected  by  all 
the  rixles  of  strict  secrecy  *  *  *.^ 

He  further  stated  that  it  must  consist  of  people  who  "will  devote 
to  the  revolution  not  only  their  spare  evenings  but  the  whole  of  their 


iHCUA,  "Facts  on  Communism,"  Vol.  1,  p.  79,  H.  Doc.  No.  336  (86th  Cong.),  December 
1959. 


1090  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,  AREA 

lives,"  and  must  consist  chiefly  of  persons  engaged  in  revolutionary 
activities  as  a  profession. 

This  kind  of  party,  he  declared,  must  be  organized  "from  the  top," 
a  "strictly  centralized,"  chain-of-command  type  of  organization,  and 
disciplined  like  an  army. 

We  should  like  to  record  your  experience,  and  in  order  to  establish 
your  further  competency  to  testify,  at  least  with  respect  to  certain 
echelons  of  the  Communist  Party  hierarchy,  I  ask  you  the  question : 
Did  you  obtain  an  official  position  of  leadership  of  any  kind  in  the 
Cleveland  area  organization  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  was  treasurer  of  five  clubs  in  the  Northeast  Section, 
and  also  treasurer  of  the  Sojourners  for  Truth  and  Justice. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  treasurer  of  five  clubs,  you  may  well  be  described  as 
section  treasurer ;  is  that  correct  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes.    That  is  right. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Who  was  the  chairman  of  the  section  during  the  time 
you  were  section  treasurer  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Jean  Krchmarek. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  When  did  you  become  section  treasurer  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  In  the  middle  lOSO's. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  remained  as  section  treasurer  until  when? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Until  1960. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  did  Jean  Krclunarek,  who  is  the  wife  of  Anthony 
Krclimarek,  the  Ohio  party  chairman,  remain  also  as  section  leader 
during  the  period  you  were  acting  as  section  treasurer  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  she  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  she  acting  in  that  capacity  at  the  time  you  left 
Cleveland  and  went  to  the  West  Coast  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  She  was. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Is  that  the  witness  who  just  testified  here  a  few  mo- 
ments ago? 

Mrs.  Brown.  This  afternoon  she  testified. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  was  the  location  of  this  section  ?  What  area  did 
it  cover  in  Cleveland  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  the  central  area  was  included  in  the  Northeast 
Section,  and  it  was  in  the  Glenville  area  of  Cleveland. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  May  we  refer  to  the  section  of  which  you  were  treas- 
urer then,  hereafter,  as  the  Northeast  Section  of  the  Communist  Party 
organization  in  Cleveland? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  have  what  was  known  as  a  Section  Commit- 
tee? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  did  that  consist  of  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  It  consisted  of  the  heads  of  the  five  clubs  and  officei-s 
of  the  section. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  Section  Committee,  did  I  understand  you  to  say, 
consisted  of  the  heads  or  leaders  of  each  of  the  five  clubs  and  the  sec- 
tion officers  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

]Mr.  NiTTLE.  When  the  leadei-s  of  tlie  five  clubs  would  meet  together 
with  you  and  Jean  Krchmarek,  that  was  known  as  a  Section  Committee 
meeting? 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1091 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  SciiERER.  These  meetings  you  are  talking  about — can  you  dis- 
tinguish them  from  the  social  gatherings  that  you  talked  about? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  sir.     Yes,  indeed. 

Mr.  SciiERER.  Were  they  entirely  different? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Entirely  different.  The  section  and  club  meetings 
are  secret  meetings  that  no  one  else  can  attend. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  But  the  social  gatherings,  you  said  this  morning,  are 
attended  by  Communists  and  non-Communists  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  mostly  Communists;  a  few  non-Communists. 

Mr.  Scherer.  That  is  where  you  said  they  raised  money  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Scherer.  I  was  wondering  how  they  raised  money  at  these 
social  gatherings. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  they  sold  liquor  and  food. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Sold  liquor? 

Mrs.  Brown.  And  food ;  drinks  and  food.  They  sold  them  by  the 
drinks. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Did  they  raise  their  money  any  other  way? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  they  did  have  a  donation  at  the  door,  too. 

Mr.  Scpierer.  Is  that  all  'I 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  that  is  all  I  can  think  of  at  this  time. 

Mr.  Nittle.  The  club  leaders  who  met  with  you  and  Jean 
Krclimarek  at  a  meeting,  which  would  be  called  a  Section  Committee 
meeting — would  that  group  have  any  privileges  with  respect  to  laying 
down  club  policy  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Nittle.  What  matters  would  you  discuss  in  section  meetings  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  just  how  to  operate  the  clubs,  and  the  dis- 
tributing of  leaflets,  and  the  different  social  affairs  that  were  to  be 
given  to  raise  money  for  the  clubs  and  the  Communist  Party,  and  what 
places  to  infiltrate,  and  directions  for  infiltration. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Who  told  the  club  leaders  in  the  section  meetings  what 
was  to  be  done  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Jean  Krchmarek  was  the  head  of  the  section,  and  the 
orders  came  from  Jean  Krchmarek. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Do  you  mean  to  say  that  the  final  decision  rested  with 
Jean  Krchmarek,  when  you  say  that  orders  came  from  her? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  for  the  section ;  yes,  indeed ;  and  then  they  were 
handed  down  to  the  leaders  of  the  clubs. 

Mr.  Nittle.  So  that  the  section  meeting  was  simply  a  means  of 
bringing  the  club  leaders  into  conference  with  Jean  Krchmarek,  so 
that  she  could  direct  them  as  to  the  activities  they  would  undertake  ? 
Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Now,  where  did  Jean  Krclimarek  get  her  orders? 
Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  I  didn't  see  anyone  give  Jean  Krchmarek  her 
orders,  but  I  am  sure  she  got  them  from  the  next  top,  which  was  the 
state,  or  the  district. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Was  that  her  husband,  Anthony  Krchmarek,  chairman 
of  the  Communist  Party  of  the  State  of  Ohio,  that  you  are  referring 
to? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Anthony  Krclimarek  is  the  husband  of  Jean 
Krchmarek,  yes. 


1092  COIVIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  would  her  husband,  Anthony  Krclimarek,  get 
his  orders  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Anthony  Krchmarek  would  get  his  orders  from  the 
national  office,  in  New  York. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  So  that  the  orders  originated  at  the  national  head- 
quarters of  the  Communist  Party,  were  then  transmitted  down  to  the 
Ohio  District  of  the  Communist  Party,  the  chairman  of  which  was 
Anthony  Krchmarek.  He  would  pass  that  order  down  to  the  section 
leader,  who  was  Jean  Krchmarek,  and  she  would  pass  this  order 
down,  then,  to  the  club  leaders,  who  wouki  inform  finally  the  people 
who  constituted  the  clubs,  the  rank  and  file. 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct.    That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  might  note  for  the  record,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  the 
committee  hearings  last  November  showed  where  the  National  Com- 
mittee of  the  Communist  Party  got  its  orders.  I  think  the  hearings 
conclusively  established  that  the  orders  to  the  headquarters  of  the 
National  Committee  of  the  Communist  Party  in  the  United  States 
came  directly  from  Moscow. 

Mr.  Doyle.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  the  Supreme  Court  upheld  the 
constitutionality  of  the  registration  and  disclosure  provisions  of  the 
Internal  Security  Act  of  1950,  in  its  recent  decision  in  the  case  of 
the  Communist  Party  of  the  United  States,  Petitioner  v.  Subversive 
Activities  Control  Board  (367  U.S.  1),  decided  June  5,  1961. 

At  page  111  f .,  the  Supreme  Court  pointed  out  that  the  Congress  in 
1954  enacted  the  Communist  Control  Act  (68  Stat.  775),  which  de- 
clares in  its  second  section : 

The  Congress  hereby  finds  and  declares  that  the  Communist  Party  of  the 
United  States,  although  purportedly  a  political  party,  is  in  fact  an  instrumen- 
tality of  a  conspiracy  to  overthrow  the  Government  of  the  United  States.  .  .  . 
[T]he  policies  and  programs  of  the  Communist  Party  are  secretly  prescribed  for 
it  by  the  foreign  leaders  of  the  world  Communist  movement.  .  .  .  [I]ts  role  as  the 
agency  of  a  hostile  foreign  power  renders  its  existence  a  clear  present  and  con- 
tinuing danger  to  the  security  of  the  United  States. . . . 

At  page  112,  the  Supreme  Court  declared : 

First:  We  have  held,  supra,  that  the  congressional  findings  that  there  exists  a 
world  Communist  movement,  that  it  is  directed  by  the  Communist  dictatorship 
of  a  foreign  country,  and  that  it  has  certain  designated  objectives,  inter  alia, 
the  establishment  of  a  Communist  totalitarian  dictatorship  throughout  the  world 
through  the  medium  of  a  world-wide  Communist  organization,  §2(1),  (4),  are 
not  open  to  re-examination  by  the  Board.  We  find  that  nothing  in  this  violates 
due  process. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  section  treasurer,  did  you  actually  have  anything 
to  do  with  party  policy  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  No,  indeed,  I  did  not. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  get  your  orders  also  from  Jean  Krclimarek  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  I  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  were  your  duties  as  treasurer  of  the  section  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  when  we  would  have  the  section  meetings,  the 
heads  of  the  clubs  would  pay  dues,  give  me  the  dues  from  the  club 
members,  with  10  percent  taken  out;  and  then  I  would  take  out  20 
percent  and  give  it  to  the  state  treasurer. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Who  was  the  state  treasurer  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Betty  Cliaka. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  C-h-a-k-a? 


COMlVrUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1093 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

]Mr.  Doyle.  Who  got  the  10  percent? 

JNIrs.  Brown.  The  chibs  kept  the  10  percent  and  the  section  kept 
20  percent ;  and  we  used  that  for  parties  and 

]Mr.  Doyle.  Did  yon  handle  tliat  money,  or  was  it  someone  else? 

ISIrs.  Brown.  1  liandled  the  money  that  I  received.  I  always  kept 
the  20  percent,  and  the  other  was  given,  whenever  I  felt  like  taking 
it  to  her,  Betty  Chaka,  the  state  treasurer. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Who  was  the  husband  of  Betty  Chaka  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Ed  Chaka. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Also  known  as  Edward  Chaka  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Edward  Chaka. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  the  record  should  show  that 
Edward  Chaka  was  a  member  of  the  National  Conunittee  of  the  Com- 
mmiist  Party,  and  that  he  was  in  attendance  at  the  I7th  National 
Convention  of  the  Communist  Party  in  December  1959,  which  was 
held  in  New  York  City.  He  attended  that  convention  as  a  delegate 
from  the  Ohio  District  of  the  Commmiist  Party. 

Did  you  know  Edward  Chaka  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  I  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  long  have  you  known  Edward  Chaka  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  have  known  Edward  Chaka  since  1948. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  deliver  this  money  personally  to  Betty  Chaka  ? 

IMrs.  Brown.  I  certainly  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  she  was  the  state  treasurer  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  She  was. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Could  you  tell  us  the  names  of  the  leaders  of  the  five 
clubs  in  that  section?    I  just  want  the  names  of  the  leaders. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Ruth  Lend  was  one. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  have  already  identified  her,  yes. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Harry  Spencer. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Of  course,  you  have  stated  he  was  a  Communist  club 
leader. 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  right. 

Sally  Clark  was  a  chairman. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Sally  Clark,  C-1-a-r-k? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

And  of  course  Bert  Washington,  who  is  deceased. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Bert  Washington  was  at  one  time  a  club  leader  ?  When 
did  he  die  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  sometime  in  1960. 

And  there  were  Laura  and  Fred  O'Neal. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  Jean  Krchmarek  a  club  leader,  as  well  as  acting 
in  her  capacity  as  section  chairman? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  you  hardly  knew  what  leadership  Jean  Krch- 
marek was  in,  because  she  led  everything  and  everyone,  as  far  as  the 
clubs  were  concerned. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  a  gentlemen  named  Hugh  Statten  in  your  area? 

Mrs.  Brown.  At  one  time  Hugh  Statten  was  in  the  club,  in  a  club 
office.     But  he  moved  back  to  Chicago. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Wlio  succeeded  him,  if  anyone? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  it  was  the  central  area  that  Hugh  Statten  had 
charge  of.    He  was  sent  from  Chicago  by  the  Communist  Party  to 


1094  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Cleveland,  to  reorganize  the  Negroes  in  the  central  area  and  in  Cleve- 
land proper. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  believe  you  have  also  spoken  of  a  Harry  A.  Spencer, 
did  you? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  position  did  he  occupy  ? 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Walter  left  the  hearing  room.) 

Mrs.  Brown.  He  was  one  of  the  leaders  of  his  club.  I  think  it  was 
the  124  Club. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  In  what  section  was  that  located  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  In  the  Northeast  Section. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  That  was  in  your  section  as  well  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  it  was. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  mentioned  an  Edith  and  Lloyd  Gaines  as  being 
active  in  the  party. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  they  in  your  section  ? 

Mrs.  Bro\vn.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  regard  them  as  club  leaders  in  that  area? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Oh,  yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Now,  did  you  have  occasion  to  attend  any  state  con- 
ventions of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  state  convention  was  the  next  highest  level  above 
the  section? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  This  is  where  leaders  obtained  their  information  as 
to  party  policy  to  carry  down  to  the  section  level  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  So  that  as  treasurer  and  a  section  leader,  you  were 
selected  as  a  delegate  to  the  state  convention  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  it  at  the  state  convention  that  the  delegates  had 
an  opportunity  to  leani  what  orders  the  state  party  chairman  was 
instructed  to  give  you  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Then  at  the  state  convention,  the  only  matter  you 
would  debate  was  how  to  carry  out  the  orders  received  from  higher 
headquarters,  which  was  the  national  grouping? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  DoTLE  (presiding).  And  you  were  elected  to  attend  the  state 
party  convention  in  Ohio  while  you  were  an  FBI  informant  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Oh,  sure.  That  was  the  only  time  I  did  my  work, 
when  I  was  with  the  FBI. 

Mr.  DoTLE.  Did  not  any  of  your  brother  or  sister  Communists 
suspect  you  were  an  informant  for  the  FBI  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  I  am  very  sure  they  didn't  know  it.  One  or  two 
had  accused  me  of  writing  names  down  at  one  of  the  state  conventions, 
and  claimed  that  I  was  under  suspicion,  but  they  never  let  up  on  me. 
They  still  kept  using  me. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  have  indicated  that  the  Communists  in  party 
meetings  usually  met  secretly.  How  did  they  maintain  their  secrecy 
when  they  would  have  to  meet  in  larger  numbers  at  a  state  convention  ? 


COIMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1095 

Mrs.  Bkowx.  Well,  you  had  to  be  known  us  a  Communist.  You 
had  to  be  a  Communist,  and  somewhat  of  a  dedicated  Communist,  to 
be  elected  to  the  state  convention;  state  meetings,  if  you  want  to  say. 
And  there  would  always  be  someone  at  the  door  to  let  you  in,  and 
they  would  know  always  whether  you  were  a  Communist  or  not. 

Mr.  Kittle.  "Were  you  delegates,  who  attended  the  state  convention, 
ever  explicitly  informed  or  clearly  informed  of  the  place  where  the 
meeting  was  to  convene? 

JMi-s.^Brow^n.  Not  often.  Maybe  once  I  was  informed.  But  I  have 
stood  on  the  sidewalk  in  the  cold  and  snow  for  hours,  waiting  for 
someone  to  pick  me  up  to  take  me  to  the  meeting.  They  don't  tell 
you  where  the  meetings  are.  They  have  them  at  secret  places,  and 
the  members  are  picked  up  and  carried  to  this  place. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  noted  you  indicated  that  the  club  meetings  usually 
took  place  in  private  homes. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  believe  some  of  the  evidence  here  has  indicated  that 
these  meetings  lasted  into  the  late  hours  of  the  evening  and  the  early 
morning  of  the  next  day. 

Mrs.  Browx.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Which  ones  went  on  that  long?  The  social,  or  the 
business  meetings? 

Mrs.  Brow^n.  Well,  they  had  social  affairs  and  business  meetings, 
mixed.  They  would  have  a  business  meeting  early  in  the  evening 
in  the  party,  and  then  after  the  party  was  over,  they  would  have 
another  meeting,  sometimes  in  the  early  mornings,  6  and  7  o'clock, 
where  some  would  go  from  the  meeting  to  their  jobs  to  prepare  for 
meetings  the  next  evening. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Wliat  would  you  do  all  that  time? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  they  are  just  like  termites.  They  are  working 
all  the  time. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  kind  of  place  would  be  selected  for  the  state 
conventions  ? 

Mrs.  Brow^n.  Some  hall,  secret  hall,  where  they  thouglit  no  one 
would  know  they  were  there,  very  often  some  hall — that  is  what  I 
learned — on  Kinsman  Avenue.  And  then  they  began  to  stop  them 
from  having  it  there,  and  they  began  to  have  it  at  some  other  secret 
place  where  I  have  been  at  least  three  or  four  times.  But  as  a  rule,  I 
never  went  directly  there  on  my  own. 

Mr.  Doyle.  What  do  you  mean  by  that  answer? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  I  mean  that" most  of  the  times  I  was  picked  up 
by  a  Communist  and  driven  there  in  their  car. 

Mr.  Scherer.  You  mean  you  didn't  know  in  advance  where  the 
meeting  was  to  be  held  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  No,  I  did  not. 

Mr.  Johansen.  Well,  how  many  persons  out  of  a  group  that  were 
meeting — how  many  of  those  individuals  would  know  where  the  meet- 
ing was  ?    Just  one  person  ? 

Mrs.  Brow^n.  Well,  maybe  a  few  of  the  heads,  the  state  heads,  would 
naturally  know ;  and  maybe  Jean  Krchmarek  would  know. 

Mr.  Johansen.  It  would  be  one  of  your  superiors  in  the  hierarchy? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct,  yes.    That  is  right. 

Mr.  Doyle.  But  there  would  not  be  a  large  attendance  at  these  meet- 
ings ?    Perhaps  25  or  50  people  ? 


1096  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  50  would  be  a  large  attendance.  Maybe  20; 
and  never  over  30,     I  don't  think  they  can  trust  50  of  them. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  This  is  the  assemblage  of  what  Lenin  has  described  as 
the  hard-core  workers,  the  hardened  workers,  who  were  bound  to  rules 
of  secrecy  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Persons  you  have  described  as  dedicated  Communists ; 
termites  was  another  expression  you  used  to  describe  them. 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Were  there  more  women  than  men,  usually,  at  these 
meetings  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Just  about  50-50. 

]Mr.  N1TTI.E.  Can  you  recollect  some  of  the  persons  who  were  in  at- 
tendance from  the  Ohio  area  at  the  state  convention  meetings  with 
you  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  Frieda  Katz,  Dave  Katz,  Jean  Krchmarek  and 
Anthony  Krchmarek,  and  JNIartin  and  Sally  Chancey,  the  Winters 
girl,  Sally  Winters,  Pearl  Levin,  Regina  Sokol,  and  others. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  Ethel  Goodman  attend  any  of  the  state  conven- 
tion meetings? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  Ethel  had  attended. 

Mr.  DoTLE.  Counsel,  the  reporter  is  asking  for  a  3-minute  recess, 
so  the  committee  will  stand  in  recess.  That  will  also  give  the  witness 
a  short  rest. 

(Short  recess.) 

(Members  present  after  recess:  Representatives  Doyle  (presiding), 
Johansen,  Bruce,  and  Schadeberg.) 

Mr.  DoYLE.  The  commitee  will  please  come  to  order.  Let  the  record 
show  that  a  quorum  of  the  subcommittee  is  present. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  We  would  like  to  touch  upon  the  Ohio  Smith  Act  trials 
that  opened  on  October  31,  1955.  Certain  leading  Communists  in 
the  Ohio  area  were  prosecuted  for  alleged  violations  of  that  Act, 
which  in  brief  prohibits  the  advocacy  of  the  violent  destruction  of 
the  Government  of  the  United  States. 

We  would  like  to  explore  for  a  moment  the  manner  in  which  Com- 
munists may  turn  court  proceedings  into  propaganda  vehicles. 

Some  years  ago  there  was  set  up  in  ]\Ioscow  an  organization  then 
titled  the  International  Red  Aid,  which  established  an  American  sec- 
tion named  the  International  Labor  Defense,  for  the  purpose  of 
assisting  in  the  legal  defense  of  Communists  in  the  United  States. 
This  organization  issued  a  pamphlet  entitled  Under  Arrest^  which 
stated  among  other  things,  and  I  shall  now  read  from  the  pam- 
phlet  

Mr.  Doyle.  What  is  the  date  of  it? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  About  1933. 

A  Communist  must  utilize  a  political  trial  to  help  on  the  revolutionary  struggle. 
Our  tactics  in  the  public  proceedings  of  the  law  courts  are  not  tactics  of  defense 
but  of  attack.  Without  clinging  to  legal  formalities,  the  Communists  must  use 
the  trial  as  a  means  of  bringing  his  indictments  against  the  dominant  capitalist 
regime  and  of  courageously  voicing  the  views  of  his  party. 

The  Subversive  Activities  Control  Board  has  found  that  the  Civil 
Rights  Congress  succeeded  to  the  role  of  the  International  Labor 


COMIVIUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1097 

Defense  as  the  Communist  Party's  legal  arm.  The  Civil  Rights 
Congress  organized  in  Ohio  an  affiliate  or  branch  titled  the  Ohio  Bill 
of  Rights  Conference,  an  organization  investigated  by  the  Ohio  State 
Commission  and  denominated  a  Communist  front. 

The  evidence  indicates  that  such  organizations  are  established  to 
conduct  propaganda  activities  and  to  obtain  financial  assistance  from 
non-Communists,  under  the  disguise  of  civil  rights  organizations,  for 
the  support  of  Communist  defense  efforts. 

I  show  you  a  letter  identified  as  Brown  Exhibit  14,  distributed  in 
March  1955  by  the  Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference,  which,  in  the  let- 
terhead is  in  fact  designated  as  affiliated  with  the  Civil  Rights  Con- 
gress. This  letter  advises  that  an  "Amiual  Freedom  Banquet"  will  be 
held  on  March  19,  1955,  at  Chin's  Restaurant  in  Cleveland,  and  that 
the  donation  will  be  $1.50  per  plate ;  that  a  purpose  of  this  banquet  was 
to  "honor"  the  11  men  and  women  being  brought  to  trial  under  the 
Smith  Act.  The  letter  is  issued  under  the  signatures  of  James  Wells, 
as  chairman,  who  testified  a  moment  ago,  and  Frieda  Katz,  as  executive 
secretary. 

Now,  you  have  already  told  us  about  Frieda  Katz,  a  Communist 
leader  in  the  State  of  Ohio.  You  have  already  told  us  about  James 
Wells,  who  was  active  in  the  Communist  Party  in  the  Cleveland 
area. 

Will  you  tell  us  in  a  word  or  two  what  knowledge  you  have  of  the 
Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  The  Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference  and  the  Civil 
Rights  Congi'ess  is  one  and  tlie  same. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  now  hand  you  a  copy  of  a  circular  letter,  dated  March 
19,  1956,  marked  for  identification  as  Brown  Exhibit  15,  and  issued 
by  the  Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference,  with  leaflets  attached.  One 
of  those  leaflets  is  titled  "Guilt  By  Dissociation,"  and  the  other  is 
titled  "The  People  Score  A  Victory." 

I  would  like  to  ask  whether  you  participated  in  the  Communist  effort 
to  give  distribution  to  such  letters  and  leaflets  during  the  course  of 
the  Smith  Act  litigation. 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  many  of  sucli  leaflets  distributed  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  They  were. 

(Documents  marked  "Brown  Exhibit  Nos.  14  and  15,"  respectively, 
and  retained  in  committee  files.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  in  fact  in  attendance  at  the  Ohio  Smith  Act 
trials  in  which  the  11  Communist  leaders  were  prosecuted? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  I  was. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  present  at  any  of  the  conferences  of  the 
defendants  during  the  course  of  tlie  trial  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Could  you  tell  us  how  the  defendants  reacted  to  their 
prosecutions  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  they  certainly  were  not  worried.  They  seemed 
to  have  felt  that  they  would  soon  get  out  of  it  after  the  trial.  And  in 
fact  they  felt  very  sure  that  after  it  reached  the  Supreme  Court,  they 
would  be  freed. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  They  did  not  regard  the  Smith  Act  as  a  serious  obstacle 
to  the  progress  of  their  organization  ? 


1098  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mrs.  Brown.  Will  you  repeat  that  question,  please? 

Mr,  NiTTLE.  Did  they  regard  the  Smith  Act  as  a  serious  obstacle  to 
the  organization  ? 

Mre.  Brown.  At  first  they  did,  because  there  hadn't  been  a  Cleve- 
land arrest  there  recently.  At  first  they  were  pretty  frightened.  But 
later,  when  the  trials  began,  they  seemed  to  feel  more  sure  of  their 
exoneration. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  you  have  heard,  the  resolution  authorizing  this 
hearing  indicates  that  one  of  the  legislative  purposes  of  this  hearing 
by  the  committee  is  to  determine  the  need  for  an  amendment  to  the 
Internal  Security  Act,  and  whether  or  not  it  should  be  amended  in  a 
manner  so  as  to  make  unlawful  membership  in  the  Communist  Party 
of  the  United  States. 

The  committee  presently  has  before  it  a  bill  which  was  introduced 
in  the  House  on  January  30,  1962,  by  Congressman  Doyle  of  Cali- 
fornia, which  is  now  pending  and  has  been  referred  to  the  Committee 
on  Un-American  Activities;  and  Mr.  Doyle  has  explained  that  the 
purpose  of  this  bill  is  to  do  just  that,  that  is,  to  make  unlawful 
membership  per  se  in  the  Communist  Party. 

Did  you  observe  whether  or  not  the  prosecutions  under  the  Smith 
Act  were  effective  toward  impeding  Communist  Party  activities  in 
the  Cleveland  area  ? 

Mrs,  Bkown.  IVliat  prosecution? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Of  the  11  leading  Communists. 

Mrs.  Brown.  In  the  beginning  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  this  affect  in  any  way  the  strength  of  the  Com- 
mmiist  organization  in  the  Cleveland  area  ? 

Mrs,  Brown.  Well,  it  did  cause  some  of  them  to  go  underground, 
and  it  seemed  that  they  were  determined  that  they  would  work  harder. 

I  may  not  be  able  to  answer  that  question  which  was  asked.  But 
the  11, 1  am  sure,  were  not  worried,  because  they  had  not  been  prose- 
cuted. They  were  only  arrested  and  tolerated.  And  they  felt  that 
they  could  go  on  with  their  work  successfully. 

I  am  sure  that  they  do  that.  They  work  with  all  the  confidence 
in  the  world,  because  they  feel  that  v/henever  they  are  arrested,  there 
will  be  nothing  done  when  it  goes  to  the  Supreme  Court, 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  or  other  Commmiist  Party  members  in- 
structed to  demonstrate  in  any  way  within  the  court  room  during  the 
course  of  the  Smith  Act  trials  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Not  during  the  course  of  the  Smith  Act  trials.  Nat- 
urally, everyone  was  afraid  there.  You  couldn't  breathe  at  those 
trials.  They  had  proper  police  protection  and  all  other  kinds  of 
protection,  and  the  Communists  wouldn't  dare  issue  any  orders  for 
the  Smith  Act  trials.  It  is  only  for  the  Committee  on  Un-American 
Activities  that  we  are  advised  to  demonstrate, 

Mr.  JoHANSEN,  Does  your  answer  apply  to  activities  outside  of 
the  courthouse,  as  well  as  the  statement  you  have  made?  In  other 
words,  you  did  not  have  orders  to  demonstrate  outside  of  the  court- 
house during  the  Smith  Act  trials ;  is  that  correct? 

Mrs,  Brown.  Well,  they  did  have  picket  lines.  They  picket  quite 
a  bit.  But  I  don't  remember — there  were  no  picket  lines  during  the 
Smith  Act  trials  that  I  can  remember. 


COIMIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE    CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1099 

INIr,  JoiiANSEN.  And  there  was  no  attempt  at  disturbance  in  the 
courtroom? 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  should  say  not.  No,  indeed.  They  would  throw 
them  all  in  jail  if  they  did  anj^thing  there. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  That  recalls  to  me,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  a  Federal 
judge  made  a  remark  to  me  on  seeing  a  certain  film,  regarding  what 
happened  in  San  Francisco,  that  if  that  were  attempted  in  his  court, 
they  would  be  jailed  immediately.  And  I  recall  that  there  is  legislation 
on  that  matter  before  the  Congress. 

Mr,  DoTLE.  Do  you  mean  you  were  instructed  to  raise  a  disturb- 
ance while  this  particular  committee,  the  House  Committee  on  Un- 
American  Activities,  was  holding  hearings? 

Mrs.  Brown,  That  is  correct. 

Mr,  DoTLE.  Who  gave  you  that  instruction  ? 

Mrs.  Brown,  We  got  instructions — I  remember  I  got  some  from  a 
Communist  Party  meeting,  Frieda  Katz  issued  one  order,  I  remember 
very  well,  that  we  were  to  demonstrate,  to  jeer,  and  boo,  and  laugh. 

Mr.  DoTLE.  Well,  did  you  ever  boo  and  laugh  ? 

Mrs,  Brown.  Well,  I  didn't  demonstrate  so  much.  I  was  still 
in  the  service  of  the  FBI,  and  I  tried  to  probably  applaud  in  the 
wrong  places. 

Mr.  DoTLE.  Did  you  not  even  demonstrate  a  little  bit,  as  an  FBI 
agent  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  yes,  I  did  a  little  bit,  but  not  too  much. 

Mr.  DoYLE.  Did  any  of  the  others  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  They  tried  it.  They  tried  it  for  a  while.  But  the 
subversive  squad  began  to  close  in  on  them,  and  they  stopped  that. 

Wliere  order  is  demanded,  they  are  pretty  quiet.  They  only  demon- 
strate when  you  allow  them  to. 

Mr.  DoYLE.  "Wlien  were  these  hearings  of  the  committee  that  you 
refer  to  held  ?    Do  you  recall  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Not  the  exact  dates,  but  it  seemed  to  me  there  was  a 
hearing  in  the  early  1950's. 

IVIr.  Doyle.  This  was  in  Cleveland  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  One  was  in  Cleveland,  conducted  by  the  Ohio  Com- 
mission on  Un-American  Activities;  and  in  the  morning  when  the 
Smith  Act  defendants  were  arrested,  we  were  going  to  Akron  to  jeer 
and  boo  there,  in  Akron,  Ohio. 

Mr.  Doyle.  At  committee  hearings  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  attend  committee  hearings  held  by  the  Senate 
Internal  Security  Subcommittee,  as  well  as  the  Committee  on  Un- 
American  Activities  in  the  Ohio  area  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Ntttle.  Over  the  years  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  now  return  for  a  moment  to  the  activities  of  the  Ohio 
Bill  of  Rights  Conference. 

I  call  your  attention  to  a  meeting  which,  according  to  information 
in  the  possession  of  the  committee,  occurred  on  October  12, 1952,  titled 
"Rally  for  Freedom,"  sponsored  by  the  Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Confer- 
ence, and  held  at  the  Jewish  People's  Fraternal  Order  Home,  on  Kins- 
man Road,  Cleveland. 


1100  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,  AREA 

Simon  Gerson,  legislative  director  of  the  New  York  Communist 
Party,  and  then  a  candidate  for  Congress  from  Brooklyn,  spoke  at 
that  meeting,  together  with  Isadore  Begun,  a  former  schoolteacher, 
and  leader  of  the  Bronx  Communist  Party.  Other  speakers  were 
E.  C.  Greenfield,  also  known  as  Elvador  C.  Greenfield,  whom  you 
previously  identified  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party,  who  was 
running  for  the  office  of  Governor  of  Ohio.  The  chairman  of  the 
meeting  was  Frieda  Katz. 

We  wonder  whether  you  could  enlighten  us  with  respect  to  the 
candidacy  for  public  office  of  such  Communist  candidates. 

William  Z.  Foster  said  in  1928 : 

We  are  not  going  into  the  national  election  campaign  solely  for  the  purpose 
of  getting  votes.  *  *  *  But  we  also  have  other,  bigger  objectives  in  the  national 
election  campaign.  Our  aim  must  be  to  arouse  the  class-consciousness  of  the 
masses  in  a  political  sense  and  to  mobilize  them  for  struggle  on  all  fronts.  Vote- 
getting  is  only  one  aspect  of  this  general  mobilization  of  the  workers.^ 

What  conclusion  did  you  reach  with  respect  to  the  activities  of  the 
Communist  Party  candidates  for  public  office? 

Mrs.  Brown.  They  don't  have  any  idea  at  all  that  they  are  going 
to  win.  They  run  in  order  to  find  out  how  many  members  the  Com- 
munist Party  has,  and  how  many  people  are  sympathetic  to  the  Com- 
munist cause.  That  gives  them  a  reason,  when  they  are  running,  really 
to  find  out  more  about  the  people  that  are  sympathetic  to  the  Com- 
munist cause.    They  have  no  intention  of  winning. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  they  also  use  the  political  platform  as  a  vehicle  for 
agitation  and  the  dissemination  of  Commmiist  propaganda  ? 
Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  yes,  they  do. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Foster  said,  "Our  aim  must  be  to  arouse  class  con- 
sciousness." I  will  ask  for  your  opinion,  whether  he  meant  by  that, 
that  the  objective  of  political  campaigns  conducted  by  Communists, 
was  "to  stimulate,"  as  Lenin  previously  urged,  in  the  minds  of  the 
people,  the  thought  that  the  entire  government  of  the  country  was 
ineffective  and  objectionable.  Did  you  find  that  to  be  so  ? 
Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  reach  the  conclusion,  which  I  think  we  are 
bomid  to  reach  upon  the  evidence  you  have  presented  here,  that  the 
Communist  effort,  propaganda-wise,  is  to  lay  the  basis  among  our 
people  for  a  state  of  mind  receptive  to  the  suggestion  of  rebellion, 
which  will  pave  the  way  either  for  the  revolution  which  the  Com- 
munists hope  to  lead,  or  will  disaffect  our  people  to  such  degree  that 
they  would  not  defend  the  United  States  if  it  were  challenged  by  the 
Soviet  Union  ? 
Mrs.  Brown.  I  am  sure  of  that. 

Mr.  DoTLE.  May  I  interrupt  there,  at  that  point.  Counsel? 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  sir. 
_  Mr.  Doyle.  Why  do  you  give  that  answer,  Mrs.  Brovni  ?  It  wor- 
ries me.  Is  it  your  opinion,  that  it  is  a  fact,  that  at  least  the  Com- 
munists that  you  knew  would  not  respond  to  a  call  to  defend  the 
United  States  of  America  in  the  event  of  a  war,  if  Kussia  was  our 
enemy  ?     Is  that  your  opinion  ? 

1  Acceptance  Speech  of  William  Z.  Foster,  delivered  at  the  National  Nominating  Conveji- 
tlon  of  the  Workers  (Communist)  Party  of  America,  May  25-27,  1928,  New  York  City. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1101 

Mrs.  Browx.  My  opinion  is  if  they  were  called,  tliey  would  be  our 
enemies  right  here  on  our  own  shores.  And  they  would  not  stop  for 
anything. 

Mr.  JoHANSEX.  Does  that  mean  sabotage  and  espionage? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Anything. 

Mr.  Doyle.  AVhen  you  say  "anything,'"  do  you  mean  they  would  do 
anything  against  the  United  States  of  America  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Doyle.  If  our  enemy  was  Soviet  Russia;  is  that  con-ect? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct.  And  regardless  of  who  our  enemy 
was. 

The  Communist  Party  here  in  the  United  States,  within  our  own 
country,  is  our  great  enemy.  Whether  Soviet  Russia  or  any  other 
comitry,  the  Communists  would  still  be  our  enemies. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  I  assume  that  that  statement  carries  the  further 
suggestion  that  certainly  in  case  of  a  war  involving  Soviet  Russia, 
their  loyalty  would  be  to  Soviet  Russia.     Is  that  correct  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  It  certainly  would. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  Well,  that  pretty  well  reduces  to  an  absurdity  any 
claims  that  some  of  these  witnesses  make  that  they  are  merely  exer- 
cising the  right  of  political  association  and  political  freedom. 

Mrs.  Brown.  They  don't  know  what  they  are  talking  about  when 
they  say  it. 

I  don't  know  too  much  about  the  theory  of  communism.  I  was  too 
busy  with  practical  experience.  And  I  know  what  the  Commies  will 
do. 

Mr.  Doyle.  My  question  was  directed  to  just  those  that  you  had 
personal  knowledge  of;  in  other  words,  the  Conmiunists  that  you 
dealt  with. 

Do  you  have  any  opinion  as  to  the  general  rmi  of  Communists,  over 
and  above  those  that  you  personally  knew?  And  apparently  you 
knew  hundreds  of  them  personally. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  Doyle.  How  many  Communists  do  you  suppose  you  loiew  more 
or  less  personally  ?     Have  you  ever  counted  them  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  have  never  counted  them.  I  guess  I 
just  couldn't  count  them. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Counsel,  is  it  a  fair  question  for  me  to  ask  you  at  this 
point,  as  long  as  I  am  digressing :  About  how  many  individuals  will 
Mrs.  Brown  identify  as  Communist,  according  to  her  own  personal 
knowledge,  in  these  hearings  ? 

Mr.  Nittle.  In  the  open  hearing  today  ? 

Mr.  Doyle.  Well,  today  and  yesterday  and  tomorrow. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  asked  Mr.  Wetterman  to  keep  a  record,  and  perhaps 
he  may  at  this  point  have  a  summary. 

One  of  the  representatives  of  the  press  advises  me  that  Mrs.  Brown 
has  already,  in  the  course  of  the  hearings,  identified  over  100  persons 
as  members  of  the  Communist  Party. 

Mr.  Doyle.  In  Cleveland  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  In  the  Cleveland  area.  And  we  must  bear  in  mind, 
Mr.  Chairman,  that  we  have  confined  ourselves  very  carefully  and 
scrupulously  in  this  hearing  toward  identifying  as  Communist  Party 


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members  only  those  with  whom  Mrs.  Brown  was  in  attendance  at 
closed  Communist  Party  meetings. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Closed  Communist  Party  meetings. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Closed  Communist  Party  meetings.  Nor  have  we  al- 
lowed her  to  exhaust  all  of  her  sources  of  information  or  knowledge. 

Mr.  Bruce.  Counsel,  I  think  at  this  point  it  might  be  well  to  re- 
member also  that  we  are  dealing  here  with  the  Communist  Party,  and 
indeed  the  front  apparatus  of  the  Communist  Party,  and  in  proper 
perspective,  it  might  be  well  for  us  to  inject  the  thought  here  that 
has  been  expressed  b}'  the  Director  of  the  Federal  Bureau  of  Investi- 
gation, that  for  every  member  identified  with  the  Communist  Party, 
there  are  10  others  ready,  willing,  and  able  to  do  the  bidding  of  the 
Communist  Party. 

So  membership  numbers  in  the  party  make  a  nice  game,  which  is 
played  constantly.  But  if  there  are  10,000  members  identified,  ac- 
cording to  the  statement  of  Mr.  Hoover,  you  had  to  multiply  that  by 
10  to  really  understand  the  impact  of  an  arm  of  a  foreign-directed 
conspiracy  on  the  soil  of  the  United  States, 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  sir,  I  think  that  is  a  very  important  observation. 

Mrs,  Brown.  I  would  like  to  make  a  correction,  Mr.  Bruce. 

There  are  more  than  10,000  Communists  in  the  United  States. 

Mr.  Bruce.  I  simply  pulled  that  figure  out.  I  said  if  you  used 
the  figure  of  10,000. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  so  many  have  said  that.  Now  the  number  is 
much  less  than  it  used  to  be,  but  where  are  the  other  Communists? 
They  are  still  Communists  and  working  under  orders  from  Moscow, 
and  they  have  infiltrated  every  stratum  of  American  society.  They 
have  gone  into  organizations  pretending  to  fight  on  our  side. 

Mr.  DoTLE.  Counsel,  proceed. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Brown,  at  the  I7th  National  Convention  of  the 
Communist  Party,  held  in  December  1959,  a  resolution  was  adopted 
on  party  organization,  subsequently  published  in  the  official  Com- 
munist theoretical  organ,  Political  Affairs^  of  March  1960.  The  resolu- 
tions of  the  convention,  of  course,  establish  official  party  policy. 

The  1959  resolution  of  the  I7th  National  Convention,  the  last  con- 
vention that  they  have  held,  enjoined  upon  the  party  leadership  the 
conduct  of  a  "united  front"  policy  in  the  following  language  of  the 
resolution,  from  which  I  now  quote : 

Mastery  of  the  theory  and  practice  of  the  united  front  policy  is  the  key  task 
before  the  whole  Party — before  every  organization,  every  member. 
The  united  front  is  the  basic  style  and  method  of  our  mass  ivork. 

Practical  leadership  must  be  directed  first  of  all  to  helping  members,  clubs  and 
sections  solve  problems  of  developing  the  united  front.  The  absence  of  attention 
and  guidance  to  work  in  the  mass  organizations  must  be  overcome. 

Of  course,  this  resolution  was  upon  the  very  point  about  which  you 
were  expressing  an  opinion  in  response  to  a  committee  member  inquiry. 

This  resolution,  at  the  last  National  Convention,  did  not  plainly 
define  the  policy  of  "united  front,"  which  is  well  understood  by  Com- 
mmiists  from  long  usage,  but  J.  Edgar  Hoover,  in  his  volume.  Masters 
of  Deceit,  makes  the  matter  clear  when  he  explains  it  as  follows : 

A  revolutionary  tactic  designed  to  secure  the  support  of  noncommunists  for 
Party  objectives.  This  generally  involves  Party  manipulation  of  noncommunist 
groups,  usually  on  some  current  issue  such  as  "peace"  or  "civil  rights,"  whereby 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1103 

the  Party,  while  maintainiug  its  independeut  role,  cooperates  with  others  to 
work  for  certaiu  goals.  To  iioncomumnists,  the  goal  is  advancement  of  the  good 
of  society  ;  To  commimists,  the  revolution. 

One  aspect  of  the  united  front  is  the  policy  known  as  infiltration, 
sometimes  described  as  "united  front  from  below."  It  is  derived  from 
the  doctrines  and  practices  of  Lenin.  It  is  an  old  tactic  which  is 
utilized  diirin<^  periods  or  in  countries  where  the  Communist  Party 
is  either  illegal  or  unpopular,  because  under  such  circumstances  the 
party  would  not  very  likely  receive  much  support  if  it  were  openly  to 
bid  for  cooperation  from  non-Communist  groups  or  individuals. 

Xow,  did  you  receive  any  particular  orders  with  respect  to  executing 
a  program  of  infiltration  subsequent  to  the  1959  action  at  the  National 
Convention  of  the  Communist  Party?  Do  you  remember  receiving 
any  order,  direction  or  instruction  at  your  section  level? 

Mrs.  Browx.  In  the  early  part  of  19G0,  we  were  ordered  to  infiltrate 
every  organization,  fraternal  organization,  neighborhood  clubs, 
churches,  and  every  organization  that  we  could  go  in.  We  were  not 
restricted  on  an3'  one  organization.  If  you  had  a  neighborhood  club 
that  the  Commies  didn't  know  anything  about,  you  w^ere  to  infiltrate 
that  on  3'our  own  accord.  But  any  organization,  the  Communist 
Party  members  were  to  infiltrate. 

At  one  time  the  Communists  were  not  too  successful  in  their  infil- 
tration, because  it  seems  when  they  first  went  in,  they  tried  to  take 
over  too  fast.  So  in  19G0,  they  were  asked  to  go  in  and  take  it  easy. 
Just  go  in  and  work  with  the  organization,  and  then  come  back  and 
report  the  policies  and  activities  of  that  organization. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Who  gave  that  order  to  infiltrate  to  you  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  order  was  given  to  me  by  Jean  Krchmarek  and 
Bert  Washington. 

]Mr.  DoTLE.  And  who  were  they  at  that  time,  in  the  Communist 
Party? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Jean  Krchmarek  was  head  of  the  Northeast  Section, 
and  Bert  Washingion,  who  is  now  deceased,  was  one  of  the  officials. 

At  a  section  meeting,  the  order  was  given  to  people  there. 

Mr.  JoHANSEx.  Were  you  instructed  as  to  specific  types  of  activities 
that  you  were  to  carry  on  within  these  groups? 

Mrs.  Browx.  We  were  to  just  go  in  at  first,  in  this  1960  order,  and 
be  with  the  group,  work  with  the  group. 

Mr.  JoHAxsEx.  In  other  words,  establish  a  base. 

Mrs.  Broavx.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Well,  what  did  you  do  about  it  ?    Did  you  infiltrate  ? 

Mrs.  Browx.  I  didn't  take  part  in  their  infiltration. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Did  any  of  the  others,  to  your  knowledge  ? 

Mrs.  Browx.  Not  to  my  knowledge,  because  I  had  at  that  time  come 
under  suspicion,  and  I  was  trying  to  get  out  of  there  as  fast  as  I  could. 
I  was  losing  my  health  because  of  the  tension. 

Mr.  JoHAXSEN.  This  was  just  before  you  terminated  your  services 
as  an  undercover  informant  in  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Browx.  That  is  right. 

Mr.  JoHAXSEX.  I  mean  as  an  undercover  informant  for  the  FBI. 

Mrs.  Browx.  That  is  right. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  find  your  mission  for  the  FBI  a  very  trying 
one? 

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Mrs.  Brown.  It  was  trying,  but  it  was  a  privilege  and  an  honor. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  a  good  soldier. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  Well,  I  would  like  to  say  at  this  point,  Mrs.  Brown, 
that  I  think  you  brought  honor  to  the  FBI. 

Mr.  Doyle.  I  think,  Counsel,  this  might  be  a  good  place  to  terminate 
our  hearings  for  the  day,  until  10  o'clock  tomorrow  morning. 

The  committee  therefore  will  stand  in  recess  until  10  o'clock  tomor- 
row morning. 

(Whereupon,  at  4 :20  p.m.,  Tuesday,  June  5, 1962,  the  subcommittee 
was  recessed,  to  reconvene  at  10  a.m.,  Wednesday,  June  6, 1962.) 


C03OIUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE  CLEVELAND,  OHIO, 

AREA 

Part  2 


WEDNESDAY,   JUNE  6,    1962 

United  States  House  of  Eepresentati'stes, 

Subcommittee  of  the 
Committee  on  Un-American  Activities, 

Washington,  B.C. 

PUBLIC   HEARINGS 

The  subcommittee  of  the  ComLmittee  on  Un-American  Activities  met, 
pursuant  to  recess,  at  10  a.m.,  in  the  Caucus  Eoom,  Old  House  Office 
Building,  Hon.  Francis  E.  Walter  (chairman)  presiding. 

Subcommittee  members  present :  Representatives  Francis  E.  Walter, 
of  Pennsylvania ;  Clyde  Doyle,  of  California ;  Gordon  H.  Scherer,  of 
Ohio;  August  E.  Johansen,  of  Michigan;  and  Donald  C.  Bruce,  of 
Indiana. 

Committee  members  also  present :  Representatives  William  M.  Tuck, 
of  Virginia,  and  Henry  C.  Schadeberg,  of  Wisconsin.  (Appearances 
as  noted.) 

Staff  members  present:  Francis  J.  McNamara,  director;  Frank  S. 
Tavenner,  Jr.,  general  counsel ;  Alfred  M.  Nittle,  counsel ;  and  Neil  E. 
Wetterman,  investigator. 

The  Chairman.  The  committee  will  come  to  order. 

Mr.  Nittle,  will  you  call  your  first  witness  ? 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  would  like  to  recall  Mrs.  Brown. 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Julia  Brown,  will  you  please  resume  the  stand  ? 

The  Chairman.  Mrs.  Brown  has  been  sworn. 

TESTIMONY  OF  JULIA  C.  BROWN— Resumed 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Brown,  when  the  committee  adjourned  last  eve- 
ning you  were  discussing  Communist  Party  tactics  of  infiltration 
pursuant,  particularly,  to  a  resolution  adopted  at  the  I7th  National 
Convention  of  the  Communist  Party  held  at  New  York  in  December 
1959. 

By  that  resolution  there  was  enjoined  upon  the  party  leadership 
the  conduct  of  a  united-front  policy.  We  had  mentioned  that  the 
tactics  of  infiltration  were  not  new,  that  the  origin  of  this  policy  goes 
as  far  back  as  Lenin's  day.  However,  that  resolution  was  placing  a 
renewed  emphasis  upon  the  policy  of  "united  front." 

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1106  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Now,  I  would  like  to  take  you  back  to  one  of  the  incidents  that  oc- 
curred during  the  early  1950's.  Do  you  recollect  a  party  which  took 
place  at  the  home  of  Margaret  Wlierry  ? 

Mrs.  Browist.  Yes,  I  do. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  discussed  this  matter  with  Mrs.  Wlierry  when  she 
was  on  the  stand  yesterday.  Can  you  tell  us  about  that  particular 
party  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  In  the  early  fifties — I  don't  remember  the  exact  year — 
a  barbecue  party  was  given  by  Margaret  TVlierry  for  her  church.  It 
was  a  public  party  where  eveiyone  was  invited.  There  were  drinks 
sold  and  food  sold.  In  the  recreation  room  were  people  and  in  the 
back  yard  there  was  a  lawn  party. 

There  were  at  least  150  or  200  people  attending  from  around  6  o'clock 
until  around  4  o'clock  in  the  morning.  Most  of  the  members  of  the 
Communist  Party  were  present.  There  were  Communists  and  non- 
Communists. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  was  the  purpose  of  this  party  ?  I  do  not  recollect 
whether  you  stated  that. 

Mrs.  Brown.  It  was  to  raise  money  for  the  church  that  Margaret 
Wlierry  had  infiltrated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  That  was  the  stated  purpose  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  right.    Invitations  went  out  to  that  effect. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Proceed. 

Mrs.  Brown.  There  was  around  $800  raised.  There  were  several 
members  of  the  party  attending. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Could  you  name  some  of  those  that  immediately  occur 
to  you  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  Myrtle  Dennis  and  Sam  Handelman,  James 
Smid,  Bertha  and  Milton  Tenenbaum,  Sally  and  Martin  Chancey, 
Eugene  Brudno  and  his  wife,  Shirley  Saferstein  and  her  husband, 
Sanford,  Eegina  Sokol,  Jean  and  Anthony  Krchmarek,  and  numbers 
of  others  and  non-Communists. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Wlien  you  refer  to  non-Communists,  do  you  mean  mem- 
bers of  this  church  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  members  of  the  church  and  people  that  I  did 
not  know  as  members  of  the  Communist  Party.  It  was  around  4  or 
4 :30  o'clock  in  the  morning  Frieda  called  me  upstairs  to  a  meeting  in 
Margaret's  bedroom. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  AAHien  you  say  Frieda,  whom  do  you  mean  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Frieda  Katz,  and  we  had  a  meeting  there  as  to  what 
to  do  with  the  proceeds  of  this  party. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Wlio  were  in  attendance  at  this  meeting  in  the  bedroom 
of  Margaret  Wherry  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Frieda  and  David  Katz,  Margaret  Wlierry,  Ethel 
Goodman,  Myrtle  Dennis. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Now,  tell  the  committee  what  occurred  in  the  course 
of  that  meeting. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  Margaret  had  this  barbecue  for  the  church  and 
she  wanted  to  give  the  proceeds  to  the  church,  and  Frieda  suggested 
that  she  give  a  third  to  the  church,  and  a  third  went  to  the  Myrtle  Den- 
nis defense  fund,  and  a  third  went  to  Marie  Reed  Haug's  campaign 
for  the  school  board.  Margaret  was  very  dissatisfied  with  that,  but 
that  was  what  she  had  to  stand  for. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1107 

INIr.  Doyle.  Hadn't  there  been  a  public  announcement  of  some  sort 
that  t he  proceeds  would  go  to  the  church  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  yes,  that  was  what  the  invitations  announced, 
that  the  party  was  given  for  this  church. 

Mr.  Bkuce.  May  I  ask  a  question  ? 

"Was  there  any  indication  that  this  was  a  party  that  was  officially 
sanctioned  by  the  church,  or  was  it  rather  a  move  on  the  part  of 
Margaret  Wherry  on  her  own  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  it  was  understood  by  the  church  that  this 
barbecue  party  would  be  given  for  the  church  because  the  church 
members  were  all  there  participating. 

Mr.  Bruce.  What  church  was  that  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  It  was  the  Methodist  Church  at  Abell  and  126th. 

Mr.  Bruce.  The  reason  I  ask  that  question  is  you  mentioned  that 
there  were  drinks  sold.    You  mean  alcoholic  beverages? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Oh,  sure. 

Mr.  Bruce.  The  reason  I  asked  that  question  was  it  would  be  ex- 
tremely difficult  for  the  IMethodist  Church,  which  has  as  one  of  its 
basic  tenets  a  total  opposition  to  the  use  of  alcoholic  beverages,  to 
publicly  sanction  a  party  wherein  alcoholic  beverages  were  sold. 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  if  they  know  it. 

Mr.  Bruce.  That  is  the  point  I  am  getting  at. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Drinks  were  in  the  basement,  and  they  had  a  lawn 
party  outside  where  people  that  didn't  participate  could  go  out  on 
the  lawn  or  in  the  house. 

Mr.  Bruce.  But  it  was  not  an  official  church  function,  as  such  ?  It 
was  rather  a  party  sponsored  by  Margaret  Wherry  to  raise  funds  for 
the  church  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Bruce.  Thank  you. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Schadeberg  entered  the  hearing  room.) 

Mr,  NiTTLE.  Do  you  have  any  personal  knowledge  as  to  whether  or 
not  Margaret  ^Vlierry  was  instructed  by  Frieda  Katz  or  any  other 
known  Communists  to  hold  this  party  ? 

Mrs.  Brow^n.  I  am  sorry,  I  couldn't  tell  you.     I  don't  know. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  Marie  Haug  successful  in  her  candidacy  for  the 
school  board  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  she  did  not  win. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  the  Communist  Party  making  an  effort  to  have 
her  elected  to  that  important  office  ? 

Mrs.  Brow^n.  Yes.  I  happened  to  be  one  in  the  campaign,  and  we 
all  worked  pretty  hard  to  have  her  elected,  get  her  elected. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  very  successful  in  interesting  voters  in  your 
immediate  neighborhood,  or  district,  to  vote  for  and  support  Marie 
Haug  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  No. 

Mr.  NrrTLE.  Did  the  Communist  Party  hold  any  meeting  thereafter 
to  discuss  the  failure  of  Marie  Hang's  candidacy  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes.     They  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  did  t^hat  meeting  take  place  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  the  first  meeting  took  place  at  Don  Kothen- 
berg's  home.    I  was  called  by  Don  Rothenberg  to  attend  a  meeting 


1108  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

to  reevaluate  the  campaign  and  just  what  was  the  cause  of  Marie 
having  failed  to  win  the  election  to  the  school  board. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  recollect  who  were  in  attendance  at  the  meet- 
ing Don  Kothenberg  had  called  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  think  I  do. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  name  the  persons  present  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  Hugh  DeLacy,  Margaret  Wherry,  Myrtle  Den- 
nis, Elsie  Tarcai,  and  Sam  Handelman. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  So  that  at  the  meeting  the  only  persons  in  attendance 
were  persons  known  to  you  to  be  members  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Could  you  give  us  the  substance  of  the  discussions  at 
that  meeting  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  Hugh  DeLacy  was  chairman  of  that  meeting 
and  he  was  explaining  to  us  that  the  reason  he  thought  that  Marie 
Haug  did  not  win  was  because  the  peoj^le  that  campaigned  for  Marie 
were  too  timid  in  identifying  themselves  as  members  of  the  Commu- 
nist Party. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Now,  I  would  like  to  turn  to  another  subject  for  a 
moment. 

Yesterday  I  was  questioning  Margaret  Wherry  with  respect  to  her 
attendance  at  a  banquet  in  the  Polish  Embassy.  Can  you  tell  us  about 
that? 

Did  I  say  Margaret  Wlierry? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  you  did. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  meant  to  say  Pauline  Taylor. 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  was  called  by  Elsie  Zazrivy  in  the  middle  fifties, 
early  fifties,  I  would  say,  and  asked  if  I  would  come  to  Washington 
here  to  a  banquet  at  the  Polish  Embassy,  and  she  told  me  that  Pauline 
Taylor  would  be  going,  and  I  was  delighted  to  accept  the  invitation. 
Pauline  met  me  in  Cleveland,  Ohio,  and  we  went  to  Washington  to  the 
Polish  Embassy  for  the  banquet. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Wlio  paid  your  expenses  for  attendance  at  this  ban- 
quet in  the  Polish  Embassy  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  the  Communist  Party  paid  part  of  it  and  I 
paid  the  other  part. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  many  were  in  attendance  at  this  banquet  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Oh,  several  hundred  people.  Maybe  what  I  saw  was 
probably  two  or  three  hundred  in  the  room  where  I  was. 

The  Chairman.  Do  I  understand  you  to  say  that  this  banquet  was 
arranged  by  the  Polish  Government  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  It  certainly  was. 

The  Chairman.  The  expenses  of  the  Americans  who  attended  this 
banquet  were  borne  by  the  Communist  Party  of  the  United  States  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  this  is  what  I  do  know:  Pauline  Taylor  was 
sent  by  the  Communist  Party  and  I  was  sent  by  the  Communist  Party 
to  the  Polish  Embassy. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  recollect  any  other  persons  from  the  Cleve- 
land area  who  were  in  attendance  there  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Paul  Eobeson  was  there. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  he  sing  on  that  occasion  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  didn't  hear  him. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  he  at  that  time  a  resident  of  Cleveland  ? 


COIMIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1109 

Mrs.  Brown.  No. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  referring  to  him  merely  as  being  present  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  In  addition  to  your  presence  and  that  of  Pauline  Tay- 
lor, do  you  recollect  others,  if  any,  from  the  Cleveland  area  who  were 
in  attendance  ? 

IVIrs.  Brown.  Well,  no.  It  was  such  a  crowd,  I  really  don't  remem- 
ber anyone  else  at  this  time.  I  think  we  were  the  only  two  sent  from 
Cleveland. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  whether  this  was  a  meeting  of  American 
Communists  at  the  Polish  Embassy  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Well,  I  was  introduced  to  quite  a  number  of  them. 
Pauline  introduced  me  to  one  of  the  heads  there,  and  he  did  take  us 
around  and  introduced  me  to  a  number  of  people,  but  really  I  don't 
know  whether  they  were  Communists  or  non-Communists  and  I  don't 
remember  the  names, 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  introduced  to  any  officials  of  the  Polish 
Embassy  staff  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Yes,  yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Could  you  tell  us  who  made  those  introductions,  if  you 
remember? 

Mrs.  Brown.  Pauline  Taylor  introduced  me  to  some  and  she  asked 
some  man  to  introduce  me  to  some,  and  he  introduced  her  to  some  of 
them.    It  was  a  big  crowd. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  That  concludes  the  staff  interrogation  of  Mrs.  Brown, 
Mr.  Chairman. 

The  Chairman.  Do  you  know  whether  or  not  the  Polish  Govern- 
ment is  still  engaged  in  entertaining  American  Communists  at  its 
embassy  here  and  elsewhere  ? 

Mrs.  Brown.  I  do  not. 

The  Chairman.  All  right,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Are  you  finished  with  this  witness  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  sir. 

The  Chairman.  I  want  to  thank  you  on  behalf  of  the  committee 
and  the  Congress  and  the  American  people  for  making  the  contribution 
that  you  have  made  in  this  struggle.  It  is  indeed  fortunate  that  there 
are  people  like  you  who  are  willing  to  come  forward  and  assist.  I 
know  it  wasn't  easy  and  you  are  entitled  to  the  thanks  of  all  of  the 
American  people. 

Mrs.  Brown.  Thank  you  all. 

The  Chairman.  All  right,  Mr.  Nittle? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Samuel  Handelman. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand?  Do  you  swear 
that  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth,  the  whole 
truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  SAMUEL  HANDELMAN,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FORER 

Mr.  NiTTLE,  Would  you  state  your  name  for  the  record,  please? 
Mr.  Handelman.  Samuel  Handelman, 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  see  that  you  are  represented  by  counsel.  Will  counsel 
please  identify  himself  ? 


1110  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  FoRER.  Joseph  Forer,  Washington,  D.C. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  "VVliere  were  you  born,  Mr.  Handelman  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Born  in  Glasgow,  Scotland. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  do  you  presently  reside? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Cleveland,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  how  long  have  you  lived  in  Cleveland,  Ohio? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Oh,  approximately  since  1915. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  a  citizen  of  the  United  States  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Counsel  wouldn't  have  to  ask  that  question  if 
he  knew  I  was  a  practicing  lawyer.    The  answer  is  "yes." 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  a  practicing  lawyer  by  profession  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Of  what  bars  are  you  a  member? 

Mr.  Handelman.  jSIember  of  the  Ohio  Bar. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  long  have  you  practiced  law  in  Ohio? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Since  1930. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  witness  whom  you  have  heard  on  the  stand  and 
who  has  immediately  preceded  you,  namely,  Mrs.  Julia  Brown,  has 
identified  you  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party.  Are  you  at  this 
instant  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  refuse  to  answer  this  question 
under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments  of  the  Constitution. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Handelman,  I  believe  you  did  not  refuse  to  answer 
that  question  when  it  was  asked  of  you  by  the  Governor  of  the  State 
of  Ohio,  Thomas  J.  Herbert,  on  April  2,  1948,  At  that  time,  in  order 
to  refresh  your  memory,  you  were  appearing  at  the  Governor's  man- 
sion, together  with  a  Paul  Shepard,  who  was  then  a  member  of  the 
CIO  United  Electrical  Workers  union,  and  another  lawyer  named 
Jerome  Land,  the  son  of  Yetta  Land,  who  has  been  identified  as  a 
member  of  the  Communist  Party  by  Mrs.  Brown. 

The  Governor  of  Ohio  asked,  according  to  this  United  Press  report 
of  April  2,  "Are  you  men  Communists?"  Handelman  and  Shepard 
replied  that  they  were  not.  Land,  according  to  the  Governor,  hesi- 
tated, then  said,  "I  would  rather  be  excused  from  answering  that  ques- 
tion." 

Were  you  then  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  same 
ground  as  previously  stated. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  When  the  Governor  of  Ohio  asked  you  that  question 
you  were  not  under  oath,  is  that  right  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Mr.  Scherer,  I  can't  even  recall  this  incident. 

Mr.  Scherer.  You  can't  what  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  can't  even  recall  this  incident  and  I  can't  be  re- 
sponsible for  what  the  newspapers  say  in  their  press  comments. 

Mr,  Scherer.  You  don't  recall  the  incident  at  all  in  the  Gover- 
nor's  


Mr.  Handelman.  No. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Did  you  know  Governor  Herbert? 
Mr.  Handelman.  I  wouldn't  say  I  knew  him,  no.     I  knew  who  he 
was  when  he  was  Governor. 
Mr.  Scherer.  You  never  were  in  the  Governor's  mansion  in  Ohio  ? 
Mr.  Handelman.  If  I  was  I  have  no  recollection  of  it. 
Mr.  Scherer.  You  don't  recollect  ?     Well,  I  would. 


COMIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1111 

The  Chairman.  Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle,  Are  you,  Mr.  Handelman,  a  member  of  the  National 
Lawyers  Guild  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  am. 

Mr.  Nittle.  And  have  you  been  active  in  the  affairs  of  the  National 
Lawyei-s  Guild,  serving  in  various  official  capacities  for  that  lawyers' 
association  ? 

Mr.  HL\ndelman.  Not  for  many  years. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Beg  pardon  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Not  for  many  years. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  like  at  this  point  to  have  noted 
in  the  record  the  extract  relating  to  the  National  Lawyers  Guild  which 
appears  in  the  Guide  to  /Subversive  Organisations  and  Publications^  a 
publication  of  this  committee. 

The  Chairman.  Let  it  be  made  a  part  of  the  record. 

(The  document  referred  to  follows :) 

National  Lawyers  Guild 

1.  Cited  as  a  Communist  front. 

(Special  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities,  House  Report  1311  on 
the  CIO  Political  Action  Committee,  March  29,  19Jf4,  p.  149-) 

2.  Cited  as  a  Communist  front  which  "is  the  foremost  legal  bulwark  of  the 
Communist  Party,  its  front  organizations,  and  controlled  unions"  and  which 
"since  its  inception  has  never  failed  to  rally  to  the  legal  defense  of  the  Com- 
munist Party  and  individual  members  thereof,  including  known  espionage 
agents." 

(Committee  on  Un-American  Activities,  House  Report  3123  on  the  Na- 
tional Lawyers  Guild,  September  21,  1950,  originally  released  Septem- 
ber 17,1950.) 

3.  "To  defend  the  cases  of  Communist  lawbreakers,  fronts  have  been  devised 
making  special  appeals  in  behalf  of  civil  liberties  and  reaching  out  far  beyond 
the  confines  of  the  Communist  Party  itself.  Among  these  organizations  are 
the  *  *  *  National  Lawyers  Guild.  When  the  Communist  Party  itself  is  under 
fire  these  offer  a  bulwark  of  protection." 

(Internal  Security  Subcommittee  of  the  Senate  Judiciary  Committee, 
Handbook  for  Americans,  S.  Doc.  Ill,  April  23,  1956,  p.  91.) 

Mr.  Nittle.  Were  you  in  attendance  at  the  National  Lawyers  Guild 
convention  of  July  28  to  31,  1960,  at  the  Jack  Tar  Hotel  in  San  Fran- 
cisco, California? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  don't  see  the  materiality  of  this 
question  for  any  purpose  this  committee  can  have,  but  I  was  not  in 
attendance. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  show  you  Handelman  Exhibit  No.  1,  the  1962  Law- 
yers Referral  Directory  of  the  National  Lawyers  Guild,  in  which  your 
name  appears,  and  your  office  is  listed  as  1110  Euclid  Avenue,  Cleve- ' 
land,  Ohio.    I  ask  if  that  is  a  correct  listing  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  don't  have  to  see  it.  I  know  it.  I  don't  have 
to  see  the  exhibit.    I  know  where  my  office  is  located. 

The  Chairman.  Is  that  correct  ? 

Mr.  Nittle.  That  is  correct.    That  is  on  there. 

Mr.  Johansen.  The  witness'  answer  was  that  that  is  the  correct 
address  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Oh,  yes,  of  course,  yes,  certainly. 

Mr.  Nittle.  You  also  appear  upon  the  directory  with  Elsie  R.  Tar- 
cai,  a  resident  of  Cleveland,  Ohio.    Do  you  know  Elsie  R.  Tarcai? 

]VIr.  Handelman.  Yes,  I  know  Elsie  Tarcai. 


1112  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  Elsie  R.  Tarcai  to  be  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  EUndelman.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds  as  stated 
before. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  There  also  appears  upon  the  Referral  Directory  of 
the  National  Lawyers  Guild  the  name  of  Violet  J.  Tarcai.  Do  you 
know  Violet  J.  Tarcai  ? 

Mr.  Hakdelivian.  Yes,  I  know  Violet  J.  Tarcai. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  her  as  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds  as  previ- 
ously stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  There  also  appears  upon  the  directory  the  name  of 
Thelma  C.  Furry,  attorney  from  Akron,  Ohio.  Do  you  know  Thelma 
C.  Furry  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds  as  previ- 
ously stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  put  it  to  you  as  a  fact,  Mr.  Handelman,  that  you  do 
know  those  persons  as  members  of  the  Commmiist  Party.  Will  you 
affirm  or  deny  or  explain  that  statement  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  refuse  to  again  on  the  same  grounds  as  previ- 
ously stated.     I  refuse  to  answer  rather. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  On  what  grounds  do  you  base  your  answer  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Same  grounds  as  originally  stated. 

The  Chairman.  It  is  understood  that  when  you  say  "the  same 
grounds"  you  mean  by  that,  that  you  invoke  the  privileges  of  the  fifth 
amendment  and  the  first  amendment. 

Mr.  Handelman.  That  is  for  you  to  state,  Mr.  Chairman. 

(Document  marked  "Handelman  Exhibit  No.  1"  and  retained  in 
committee  files.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  in  attendance  at  a  party  in  the  early  fifties 
at  the  home  of  Margaret  Wlierry  which  was  described  a  moment  ago 
by  Mrs.  Brown  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  no  recollection  of  being  there. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  do  not  deny  being  there  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  grave  doubts  about  it,  but  I  go  many 
places.    I  have  no  recollection. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  Don  Rothenberg  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Yes,  I  know  Don  Rothenberg. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  do  you  know  him  to  be  a  member  of  the  Com- 
munist Party? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds  as  previ- 
ously stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Brown  has  testified,  immediately  before  you  ap- 
peared upon  the  stand,  that  you  were  in  attendance  at  a  meeting  in 
the  home  of  Don  Rothenberg  after  the  failure  of  Marie  Haug  to  be 
elected  to  the  board  of  education  in  Cleveland. 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  no  recollection  of  this  incident  either,  and 
it  is  just  characteristic  of  the  broadside  accusations  and  charges  made 
by  this  witness. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Do  you  deny  the  statement  of  Julia  Brown? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  no  recollection  and  I  so  stated  that. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Do  you  deny  her  testimony  ? 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1113 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  no  recollection  of  being  there. 

Mr.  ScuERER.  That  isn't  my  question. 

The  Chairman.  lie  has  answered. 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  cannot  recall. 

The  Chairman.  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  will  show  you  an  item,  identified  as  Handelman 
Exhibit  No.  2,  which  appeared  in  the  Daily  Worker  for  August  13, 
1952,  at  page  8,  in  which  you  are  identified  as  one  of  45  "prominent 
American  attorneys"  who  liave  signed  a  statement  on  behalf  of  an 
organization  titled  "Council  of  Greek  Americans,"  addressed  to  the 
Premier  of  Greece,  demanding  a  civilian  trial  for  Tony  Ambatielos 
and  nine  other  leaders  of  the  Greek  maritime  unions  sentenced  to 
death  in  1948  "for  their  trade  union  activities."' 

Will  you  examine  that  please? 

(Witness  handed  document.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you,  in  fact,  one  of  the  45  "prominent  American 
attorneys"  who  had  executed  a  statement  or  petition  of  that  sort  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  Well,  of  course,  it  is  flattering  to  be  referred  to 
as  prominent.    This  I  deny.    I  am  not  prominent. 

]\Ir.  Nittle.  I  was  merely  quoting  the  Daily  Worker. 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  object  to  the  question.  It  is  completely  imma- 
terial to  an}^  purpose  that  this  committee  can  have. 

Mr.  Nittle.  It  is  not  if  you  were  engaged 

Mr.  PIandelman.  Well,  that  is  your  statement. 

Mr.  Nittle.  —  engaged  in  signing  that  petition  as  a  member  of 
the  Communist  Party  of  the  United  States,  seeking  to  influence  a 
foreign  government  friendly  to  the  United  States  which  was  then 
resisting  Communist  aggression  and  was  involved  in  civil  war  insti- 
gated by  comrades  in  Russia. 

Did  you,  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  pursuant  to  instruc- 
tions by  Communists  known  to  you,  execute  this  petition  in  order 
to  influence  the  Greek  Government,  a  friendly  power? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Handelman.  The  answer  is  no. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Did  you  execute  that  petition? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  no  recollection  of  it. 

The  Chairman.  Do  you  know  of  the  case  of  these  people  who  were 
on  trial  in  Trieste? 

Mr.  Handelman.  All  I  can  tell  you  is  that  many  lawyers,  myself 
included,  are  asked,  from  time  to  time,  to  sign  petitions  for  different 
things  and  I  may  have  signed  it.     I  have  no  recollection  of  it. 

The  Chairman.  Yes,  I  am  sure  that  is  correct. 

Mr.  Handelman.  Of  course  you  know  that  is  correct. 

The  Chairman.  Lawyers  are  very  careful  about  what  they  sign 
usually,  unless  they  are  doing  it  deliberately.  Tell  me,  do  you  know 
the  names  of  these  people  who  were  arrested  by  the  Greeks? 

Mr.  Handelman.  As  I  say,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  have  no  recollection  of 
even  signing  this  thing,  let  alone  knowing  the  names  of  the  persons 
involved ;  but  it  would  appear  to  have  been,  as  stated  for  the  record 
and  as  appears  from  the  article,  an  attempt  to  save  someone's  life. 
That's  what  it  says.  I  don't  recall  it  though,  but  apparently  some- 
one was  facing  execution  and  an  appeal  was  made  for  their  lives. 
That  is  what  if:  says. 


1114  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  not  that  council  to  which  I  have  referred  a  Com- 
munist front  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  no  knowledge. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Apparently  the  Attorney  General  thought  so.  It  was 
designated  under  Executive  Order  No.  10450  on  July  15,  1953. 

The  Chairman.  What  paper  did  this  appear  in  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  Daily  Worker,  Mr.  Chairman,  August  13, 1952. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  If  the  witness  says  that  he  can't  remember  the  Gov- 
ernor of  Ohio  at  the  Governor's  mansion  asking  him  whether  he  is  a 
Communist,  you  don't  expect  him  to  say  that  he  can  remember  this. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  ask,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  the  exhibit  to  which  I  refer 
be  admitted  in  the  record. 

The  Chairman.  It  will  be  admitted  and  made  a  part  of  the  record. 
Go  ahead  with  your  questions, 

(Document  marked  "Handelman  Exhibit  No.  2"  and  retained  in 
committee  files.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Durmg  the  1949  convention  of  the  CIO  in  Cleveland, 
Ohio,  was  there  not  a  caucus  meeting  of  the  Communist  Party 
group  held  in  your  law  office  while  the  convention  was  in  session, 
the  purpose  being  to  assign  specific  resolutions  to  members  of  the 
Communist  Party  who  were  convention  delegates  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  have  no  recollection  or  knowledge  of  such  an 
incident. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Johansen  left  the  hearing  room.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  deny  that  it  took  place  ? 

Mr.  Handelman.  I  said  I  have  no  recollection  or  knowledge  of  it. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  staff  has  no  further  questions  of  this  witness.  It 
is  quite  apparent  that  he  is  not  going  to  remember  anything. 

Mr.  FoRER.  I  object  to  that  statement,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  don't  think  it  is  proper  for  counsel  to  make  such  a  derogatory 
remark.     I  ask  it  be  stricken. 

The  Chairman.  It  is  not  derogatory.  It  is  simply  a  statement  of 
fact.     It  is  obvious  that  he  doesn't  remember. 

Mr.  FoRER.  He  didn't  say  that,  Mr.  Chairman.  He  said  it  is  obvious 
he  is  not  going  to  remember,  which  carries  a  very  different  implication. 

Mr.  Scherer.  That  is  obvious  to  me  also. 

Mr.  FoRER.  It  may  be  obvious  to  you,  but  a  lot  of  things  that  are 
obvious  to  you  aren't  so,  Mr.  Scherer. 

The  Chairman.  All  right.     Call  another  witness. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  James  Smid. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  stand  up  please  ? 

Do  you  swear  that  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the 
truth,  the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  do. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Johansen  returned  to  the  hearing  room.) 

TESTIMONY  OP  JAMES  SMID,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FORER 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  name  please  ? 
Mr.  Smid.  James  Smid. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  note  you  are  represented  by  counsel.  Will  counsel 
identify  himself  ? 


COIMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1115 

Mr.  Fori-:r.  I  am  still  Josepli  Forer,  of  Washington,  D.C. 

Mr.  Ni'nxE.  Mr.  Smid,  Julia  Brown,  who  appeared  on  the  stand 
earlier  this  morning  and  who  is  present  here  in  the  Caucus  Room, 
has  identified  you  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  l*arty  and  a  very 
active  one  during  the  period  she  resided  in  Cleveland  and  after  her 
reception  into  the  Connnunist  Party  in  1947  or  thereabouts.  Are  you 
at  this  instant  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 
(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

The  Chairman.  You  don't  have  to  get  legal  advice  to  answer  that 
question.     You  know  whether  or  not  you  are  a  member  of  the  Com- 
munist Party.    Are  you  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 
(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  that  this  question  is 
not  pertinent.     I  also  refuse 

The  Chairman.  Not  pertinent  to  what  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  It  is  not  pertinent  to  anything. 

The  Chairman.  Well,  it  is  pertinent  to  the  security  of  the  United 
States.  That  may  not  be  anything  to  you,  but  it  is  a  great  deal  to 
most  of  us.     Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  I  ask  that  he  be  given  a  direction  to  answer. 

The  Chairman.  Yes,  you  are  directed  to  answer  the  question. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question  on  the  gi'ounds  that  the 
question  is  not  pertinent ;  also  on  the  basis  of  my  rights  under  the  first 
amendment  and  the  privilege  under  the  fifth  amendment.  This  in- 
quiry has  no  legitimate  legislative  program. 

The  Chairman.  Purpose  you  mean,  not  program.  You  didn't  un- 
derstand your  lawyer. 

Mr.  Forer.  Are  you  agreeing  with  him,  Mr.  Walter  ? 

The  Chairman.  No,  but  you  were  talking  a  while  ago  about  obvious 
things.  It  was  obvious  to  me  when  he  came  here  with  you  that  he 
wasn't  going  to  testify,  because  you  don't  come  to  a  hearing  with  a 
Communist  lawyer  and  expect  to  get 

Mr.  Forer.  Mr.  Walter,  that  is  an  improper  remark  to  make  and  I 
ask  you  to  withdraw  it. 

The  Chair]vian.  I  will  admit  that  is  improper.  A  lot  of  things  that 
happen  around  here  are  improper.  Go  ahead  and  answer  the 
question. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  state  as  a  fact  that  on  October  11  and  12,  1941,  you 
attended  the  State  Conference  of  the  Communist  Party  at  Finnish 
Hall  on  Franklin  Avenue.     Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  statement  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  I  stated  before. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  state  as  a  fact  that  you  attended  the  State  Convention 
of  the  Communist  Party  on  April  30,  1944,  which  was  held  in  Public 
Hall  in  Cleveland,  Ohio.     Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  statement  ? 

Mr.  SiMiD.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  given  before. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  state  as  a  fact  that  you  attended  the  June  17  and  18, 
1944,  sessions  of  the  Ohio  State  Communist  Party  Convention  in 
Cleveland,  Ohio.     Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  statement  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  as  stated  before. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  show  you  passport  application  No.  162666,  identified 
as  Smid  Exhibit  No.  1,  in  w^liich  you  made  application  for  a  passport 


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on  January  17, 1935,  and  stated  that  your  purpose  was  to  go  abroad — 
and  to  return  to  the  United  States  within  2  years — to  visit  Russia  and 
setting  forth  that  you  might  reside  there.  Did  you,  in  fact,  make 
application  for  such  a  passport,  stating  your  purpose  to  be  a  visit  to 
Russia  with  a  possible  intent  to  reside  there  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

The  Chairman".  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  hand  you  Exhibit  No.  1  and  ask  you  to  identify 
that. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  as  stated  before. 

(Document  marked  "Smid  Exhibit  No.  1"  and  retained  in  coimnit- 
tee  files.) 

The  Chairman.  I  notice  that  "Rush"  is  written  on  there.  Did  you 
write  that  on  there  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  as  given  before. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Were  you  born  in  Czechoslovakia,  sir  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  was  born  in  Czechoslovakia. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  a  naturalized  citizen  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  "Wlien  were  you  naturalized  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  It  is  approximately  in  the  year  of  1922  or  1924. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  at  the 
time  you  were  naturalized  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  as  I  stated  before. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  Mr.  Smid,  were  you  not  natural- 
ized at  Cleveland,  Ohio,  on  September  19,  1930,  by  petition  No.  42073, 
and  issued  Certificate  No.  3391446? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  FoRER.  Do  you  expect  him  to  remember  all  that  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  ask  him  to  remember  the  date  of  his  naturalization. 

Mr.  FoRER.  Ask  him  the  date  then. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  have  asked  him  whether  that  was  the  date. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  SMro.  Your  date  that  you  quote  could  be  possible.  My  first 
mention  of  1922  or  1924 — I  said  it  was  approximate. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  visit  Russia,  in  fact,  during  the  year  1935  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  tlie  same  reasons  as  stated  before. 

The  Chairman.  Let's  get  this  straight. 

You  refuse  to  answer  the  question  as  to  whether  or  not  you  visited 
Russia  in  1935  on  the  grounds  that  the  answer  might  subject  you  to  a 
criminal  prosecution  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  stated  my  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you,  in  fact,  visit  Russia  and  while  there  attend 
any  schools  for  indoctrination  in  communism? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  No. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  did  not  ? 

Mr.  Scherer.  You  asked  him  two  questions.    Did  you  go  to  Russia  ? 


COM^IUNTST  ACTmriES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1117 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  tlie  same  reasons  I  stated  before. 

Mr.  NiiTLE.  Did  you  attend  any  schools  of  indoctrination  in  com- 
munism in  Russia  during  the  period  1935  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  No. 

Mr.  NiTrLE.  Did  j'ou,  in  fact,  visit  Russia  in  1935  ? 

JNIr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  I  stated  before. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  in  attendance  at  a  party  given  by  Margaret 
Wherry  for  a  Methodist  Church  in  Cleveland  in  the  early  1950's? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  as  stated  before. 

Mr.  XiTTLE.  I  have  no  further  questions  of  this  witness,  Mr.  Chair- 
man. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  You  subsequently  received  another  passport,  did  you 
not,  in  June  of  1949  and  went  to  Czechslovakia  for  3  months  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  I  have  given 
before. 

Mr.  SciiERER.  Well,  did  you  make  an  application  for  a  passport  in 
June  of  1949  in  which  you  said  you  intended  to  go  to  Czechoslovakia 
and  stay  for  3  months? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  as  I  have  given 
before. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Pursuant  to  the  issuance  of  this  passport,  did  you 
actually  go  to  Czechoslovakia  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons  as  given  before. 

The  Chairman.  Are  there  any  further  questions  ? 

Mr.  Bruce.  I  believe  in  response  to  a  question  by  counsel  as  to 
whether  you  had  attended  what  he  described  as  a  school  of  in- 
doctrination you  replied  "no."    Am  I  correct  ? 

Mr.  Smid.  I  said  "no." 

Mr.  Bruce.  Did  you  attend  any  educational  institution  in  the  So- 
viet Union  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  No. 

Mr.  Bruce.  Have  you  ever  attended  or  received  instruction  in  any 
Communist  school  or  center  of  instruction  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Smid.  I  refuse  to  answ^er  the  question  for  the  same  reasons  as 
stated  before. 

Mr,  Bruce.  I  have  no  further  questions.  ' 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Call  your  next  witness. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Frida  Kreitner,  come  forward  please. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand?  Do  you  swear 
the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  bo  the  truth,  the  whole  truth, 
and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

Mrs.  lijiEiTNER.  I  affirm  that  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  FRIDA  KREITNER,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FORER 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Will  you  state  your  name^  please,  for  the  record  ? 
Mrs.  Kreitner.  My  name  is  Frida  Kreitner. 


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Mr.  N1TTI.E.  I  see  you  are  represented  by  counsel.  Will  counsel 
please  identify  himself  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  FoRER.  Joseph  Forer. 

The  CHAmMAN.  What  is  your  last  name  ? 

Mrs.  IvREiTNER.  Kreituer,  K-r-e-i-t  as  in  Tom,  n  as  in  no,  e-r. 

Mr.  Forer.  K  as  in  refusal  to  answer. 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  Amen. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  married  ? 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  am. 

Mr.  Nittle.  And  Frida.Ivreitner  is  your  married  name  ? 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  Yes. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Since  you  have  been  married,  Mrs.  Kreitner,  and  have 
been  using  the  name  Kreitner,  have  you  used  any  other  names  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  ground  that 
it  is,  firstly,  not  pertinent  and,  secondly,  on  the  right  given  to  me  under 
the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  jNIrs.  Brown 

Mr.  Forer.  You  got  the  wrong  name. 

Mr.  Nittle.  — has  testified  before  this  committee  that  in  the  fifties 
you  operated  a  bookstore  titled  "One  World  Bookshop"  at  5103  Eu- 
clid Avenue.  Did  you  in  fact  operate  a  bookshop  titled  "One  World 
Bookshop"  at  that  address  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Kreitxer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  previously  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  While  you  were  operating  that  bookshop,  I  put  it  to 
you  as  a  fact  that  the  name  which  appeared  upon  the  door  was  that  of 
Frida  Smith.     Is  that  correct? 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  previously  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Why  were  you  disguising  your  identity  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  consider  that  a  loaded  question.  I  have  never 
admitted  or  said  or  impugned  that  I  have  ever  disguised  my  name. 

The  Chairman.  What  was  your  maiden  name? 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  Smith. 

The  Chairman.  Go  on. 

Mr.  Nittle.  At  the  time  the  name  Frida  Smith  appeared  upon  that 
door,  were  you  then  married  or  single  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Brown  has  identified  you  as  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party,  known  to  her  to  be  such,  in  the  Cleveland  area. 
Are  you  as  of  this  instant  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  previously  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Brown  has  testified  further  tliat  you  were  in- 
structed by  persons  known  to  you  to  be  Communists  to  infiltrate  the 
National  Association  for  the  Advancement  of  Colored  People.  Will 
you  affirm  or  deny  that  allegation? 


COMIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1119 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  first  and  fifth  amend- 
ments. 

]Mr.  Ni'm.E.  Did  you,  in  fact,  engage  in  activity  within  the  NAACP 
with  the  objective  of  infhioncing  its  policies  or  conduct  on  behalf  of 
the  Communist  Party  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  previously 
stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  it  the  policy  of  the  Communist  Party  to  capture 
or  to  destroy  the  NAxiCP  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Kreptker.  I  have  absolutely  no  knowledge  of  any  such  thing. 

Mr.  NiTruE.  After  the  office  at  5103  Euclid  Avenue  was  closed  in 
the  middle  fifties,  did  you  have  other  employment  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  Are  you  ready? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes. 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  consider  that  a  loaded  question.  I  never  testified 
to  having  that  office. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Well,  did  you  have  that  office? 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  previously  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Have  you  ever  visited  at  that  office  ? 

Mrs.  Kreitner.  I  refuse  as  before  on  the  previously  stated  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  presently  a  salaried  functionary  of  the  Com- 
munist Party? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

ilrs.  Kreitner.  I  consider  that  impertinent,  in  fact,  and  I  refuse 
to  answer  on  the  ground  of  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  No  further  questions,  Mr.  Chairman. 

The  Chairman.  Any  questions  ? 

Mr.  Doyle.  No  questions. 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Call  the  next  witness. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mr.  Martin  Chancey. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand  ? 

Do  you  solemnly  swear  that  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give 
will  be  the  truth,  the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help 
you  God. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  MAETIN  CHANCEY,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FORER 

Mr.  Nittle.  Would  you  state  your  name  for  the  record,  please? 

Mr.  Chancey.  My  name  is  Martin  Chancey,  C-h-a-n-c-e-y. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  like  to  call  your  attention  to  a  communica- 
tion I  sent  to  Congressman  Doyle  and  Congi^essman  Johansen,  in 
which  I  informed  them — and  I  think  I  should  inform  the  committee 
as  a  whole — that  I  have  strongly  protested  my  being  called  again  to 


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1120  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

this  committee.  I  was  called  here  less  than  a  year  ago.  My  business 
was  ruined.  I  was  called  to  an  executive  session  and,  a  month  before 
I  ever  appeared,  information  was  leaked  to  the  newspapers  and  my 
business  was  destroyed  and  now,  less  than  a  year  after  that,  I  am 
called  here  again. 

Again  the  information  has  leaked  to  the  newspapers,  and  you  can 
be  sure  that  my  efforts  to  rebuild  my  little  business  are  again  de- 
stroyed. 

Congressman  Doyle,  as  you  will  remember  at  that  last  hearing  less 
than  a  year  ago,  you  expressed  your  deep  concern  at  the  ruin  to  my 
business.  Now,  why  the  committee  should  go  ahead  and  drag  me 
here  again  with  the  same  consequences,  again  leaking  information  to 
the  newspapers,  I  don't  think  it  is  humane,  I  don't  think  it  is  decent, 
and  I  don't  see  why  it  is  being  done  to  me. 

The  Chairman.  You  will  be  given  an  opportunity  now  to  clarify 
the  atmosphere  so  that  your  business  will  be  flourishing. 

Mr.  Chancet.  Your  Honor,  this  information  was  given  to  the 
papers  contrary  to  your  own  rule  not  to  reveal  this  information.  I 
think  the  rule  is  XVI  of  your  Rules  of  Procedure. 

I  also  want  to  call  this  to  your  attention.  Last  year  before  I  was 
informed  as  to  the  purpose  of  the  hearing,  the  Cleveland  Press  already 
announced  the  purpose.  Then  the  hearing  was  postponed.  I  wasn't 
informed  of  the  postponement,  my  counsel  wasn't,  and  the  Cleveland 
Press  had  this  information ;  and  before  I  appeared  here,  the  Cleveland 
Press  said  it  was  an  executive  session. 

The  Chairman.  I  would  like  to  tell  you  that  the  committee  is  dis- 
turbed by  this  sort  of  thing  and  that  we  have  conducted  investigations, 
and  are  still  investigating,  in  order  to  find  out  how  this  information 
has  been  leaked,  if  it  has  been,  and  we  are  going  to  leave  no  stone 
unturned  in  order  to  prevent  it  in  the  future,  if  it  means  firing  every- 
body on  the  committee  and  starting  out  with  a  new  staff  or  having 
Western  Union  do  the  same  thing. 

Mr.  Chancet.  Mr.  Doyle  remembers  last  year,  when  I  raised  the 
question  of  the  information  being  leaked  to  the  Press,  Mr.  Doyle  very 
carefully  questioned  the  staff  and  each  one  very  strongly  denied  know- 
ing anything  about  it,  and  yet  the  same  thing  exactly  is  being  repeated 
now.  Now,  it  couldn't  be  all  these  accidents  happening  time  and 
again. 

The  Chairman.  The  fact  of  the  matter  is  you  went  to  the  Press 
yourself,  didn't  you  ?  I  have  in  my  hand  a  letter  from  the  Cleveland 
Press  stating  that  you  had  gone  to  the  city  editor  regarding  the 
subpena  and  that  you  provided  the  newspaper  with  the  details  of 
how  you  received  the  subpena. 

Let's  go  on,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Yes. 

Mr.  Chancet.  I  might  say.  Your  Honor,  that 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Mr.  Chancet.  All  right,  sir. 

The  Chairman.  We  want  to  be  fair,  but  we  expect  you  to  be  fair, 
and  honest,  incidentally. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1121 

Mr.  CiiANCEY.  Since  I  communicated  with  members  of  your  com- 
mittee, I  tlioijo-ht  you  should  know  about  that. 

The  Chairman.  All  right.     Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  ISIr.  Chancey,  are  you  at  this  moment  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  am  sorry  that  I  will  have  to  refuse  to  answer  this 
question. 

The  Cpiairman.  You  don't  have  to  refuse  to  answer.  You  are  not 
under  any  compulsion  at  all. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  think  I  should  refuse  to  answer  it,  because  I  think 
my  own  political  beliefs  are  my  own  business  under  the  first  amend- 
ment and  I  don't  think  any  congressional  committee  has  any  business 
to  inquire  into  it;  and  the  Supreme  Court  ruled  a  couple  of  weeks 
ago,  when  they  threw  out  the  six  contempt  citations,  that  Congress 
cannot  legislate  in  the  field  of  opinion  and  belief  and  association  and, 
therefore,  has  no  right  to  investigate  in  that  field. 

The  Chairman.  Well,  we  will  find  out. 

Mr.  Chancey.  That  is  one  reason.  Secondly,  I  think  under  the 
fifth  amendment,  not  to  testify  against  myself,  I  don't  think  I  have 
to  answer  this  question,  I  think  this  question  is  not  pertinent  to  any 
legislative  inquiry  I  can  think  of,  and  I  think  this  whole  investigation 
is  illegitimate  to  any  legislative  purpose.  I  think  it  just  does  to  other 
people  as  it  does  to  me.    I  think  it  destroys  their  business. 

The  Chairman.  You  have  answered  the  question.  You  refuse  to 
answer  because  of  your  privileges  under  the  Constitution  of  the  United 
States. 

Mr.  Chancey.  All  right,  sir. 

The  Chairman.  Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  suggest,  Mr.  Chancey,  that  you  are  a  hard-core  Com- 
munist and  that  the  tears  in  your  voice  are  quite  unbecoming.  "Would 
you  comment  on  that  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  don't  think  as  a  counsel  you  have  any  business  to 
speak  about  my  tears  or  any  such  insinuations. 

The  Chairman.  Ask  him  questions. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  thirds:  we  are  here  for  serious  business  and  not  to 
cast  aspersions  on  my  tears  or  anything  like  that. 

Mr.  Nittle.  When  were  you  born,  Mr.  Chancey  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  was  born  on  July  26, 1908. 

Mr.  Nittle.  "Wliere  were  you  born  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  was  born  in  New  York  City, 

Mr.  Nittle.  During  the  year  1934  were  you  a  candidate  of  the. 
Communist  Party  for  Assemblyman  for  the  12th  District  of  New 
York. 

Mr.  Chancey,  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated, 

Mr,  Nittle,  Were  you  the  Communist  Party  secretary  of  the  York- 
ville  Section  in  New  York  during  1936  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  given. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Tuck  left  the  hearing  room.) 


1122  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Is  it  not  a  fact  that  you  were  the  organizational  sec- 
retary of  Section  28  of  the  New  York  Communist  Party  from  1932 
to  1936? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  In  the  year  1937,  did  you  become  the  Communist  Party 
organizer  for  Washington,  D.C.? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  During  the  period  1937  to  1943,  did  you  not  also  hold 
the  positions  of  city  secretary,  executive  secretary,  section  organizer, 
and  district  organizer  of  the  Communist  Party  for  the  District  of 
Columbia? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  During  the  year  1937  did  you  recruit  Henry  Thomas 
into  the  Communist  Party  and  give  him  his  instructions  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  not  select  and  send  Henry  Thomas  to  a  Com- 
munist Party  school  in  New  York  City  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  city  secretary  of  the  Commiuiist  Party  in  Wash- 
ington, D.C.,  did  you  not  send  $500  to  the  national  headquarters  of 
the  Commimist  Party  in  New  York  in  the  year  1940  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  no  such  recollection. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  deny  that  you  did? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  this  question  on  the  reasons  given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  not  testify  before  the  Special  Committee  on 
Un-American  Acti\dties  in  Washington  on  October  6,  1939? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  remember  having  been  at  such  a  committee.  I 
haven't  the  faintest  idea  what  took  place  there.  It  was  a  long,  long 
time  ago. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  asked  this  question  at  that  hearing  by  the 
chairman : 

Suppose  we  were  at  war  with  Russia,  what  would  be  your  position  as  between 
the  United  States  and  Russia?    Would  you  favor  the  United  States  or  Russia? 

And  did  you  reply  to  that  inquiry : 

I  would  wait  for  such  a  thing  to  happen. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  no  recollection  of  that.  That  was  23  years 
ago  and  it  is  a  long  time  ago.  Incidentally,  I  think  the  committee 
should  know  that  the  previous  witness  was  fired  from  his  job,  Mr. 
James  Smid  lost  his  job,  when  he  was  served  a  subpena  at  his  place 
of  employment.  I  think  the  committee  should  also  know  that  half  of 
those  subpenaed  were  served  either  on  the  job  or  in  their  place  of 
business,  and  why  such  a  thing  should  happen  is  very  hard  to  imder- 
stand,  unless  the  committee  is  interested  in  economic  strangulation 
of  its  witnesses.    As  one  whose  little  business  was  destroyed 

The  Chairman.  No.  These  witnesses  had  an  opportunity  to  testify 
and  they  invoked  the  fifth  amendment.    Now,  go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  On  November  8,  1942,  were  you  not  the  chainnan  of 
the  25th  Soviet  Anniversary  Celebration  in  Washington,  D.C.  ? 


COlSOrUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1123 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  grounds 
stated;  and  it  also  just  occurred  to  me,  in  reference  to  your  previous 
question,  that  a  short  time  after  the  war  started  I  was  drafted  into 
the  Army.  I  was  overseas  for  about  2i/2  years,  I  received  five  battle 
stars  and  a  Certificate  of  Merit,  and  if  there  is  any  question  about 
my  patriotism,  I  think  I  can  square  myself  with  anybody  in  this  room. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Was  that  the  Second  World  War  ? 

Mr.  CiiANCEY.  That  was  the  Second  World  War, 

Mr.  ScHERER.  We  were  a  co-belligerent  of  Russia  at  that  time. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  fought  in  defense  of  my  country  and  I  will  do  so 
any  time  my  country  is  attacked. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  I  understand  that.  At  that  time  Russia  was  an  ally. 
I  say  a  co-belligerent. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  fought  because  I  was  drafted. 

The  Chairman.  Were  you  a  Communist  at  that  time  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  Sir,  I  am  sorry,  I  can't  answer  the  question  for  the 
reasons  given,  but  I  was  an  American.  I  am  an  American.  I  will 
always  fight  when  my  country  is  attacked  and  I  will  fight  for  what 
our  country  stands  for,  and  I  hate  to  see  those  principles  dragged  out 
into  the  mud. 

The  Chairman.  All  right.     Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Following  your  separation  from  the  armed  services 
in  May  of  1945,  I  assert  as  a  fact  that  you  were  then  directed  by  the 
Communist  Party  to  lead  certain  organizational  activities  for  them 
in  the  State  of  Ohio.     Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  fact  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  this  question  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr,  XiTTLE,  During  the  year  1946  did  you  not  select  La  Verne 
Slagle  to  reorganize  tlie  North  End  Club  of  the  Communist  Party  in 
Franklin  County,  Ohio? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  haven't  the  faintest  recollection  of  any  such  thing. 

Mr.  Nittle.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  I  assert  that  in  1946  you  were  the 
Ohio  State  organizational  secretary  of  the  Communist  Party.  Will 
you  affirm  or  deny  that  statement? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle,  Did  you  also  hold  by  virtue  of  that  office  various  posi- 
tions as  member  of  the  State  Board  of  the  Communist  Party,  member 
of  the  State  Committee  of  the  Communist  Party,  and  labor  organizer 
for  the  State  of  Ohio? 

Mr,  Chancey.  I  decline  to  reply  on  the  grounds  given. 

Mr.  Nittle,  Did  you  not  hold  the  position  of  secretary  of  the  Com- 
munist Party  in  Ohio  until  the  latter  part  of  1949  or  the  early  part 
of  1950? 

Mr.  Chancey.  Wliat  is  the  purpose  of  going  into  all  other  stuff?  I 
thought  in  this  country  people  have  a  right  to  belong  to  any  organiza- 
tion they  please,  that  it  is  not  the  concern  of  Congress  to  investigate 
into  their  political  activities.  Do  I  ask  whether  you  are  a  Democrat 
or  a  Republican?  I  belong  to  whatever  organization  I  feel  I  want  to 
belong  as  an  American.  That  is  my  right  under  the  Constitution. 
Why  do  you  have  to  inquire  into  that  ? 


1124  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE  CLEVELAND,   OHIO,  AREA 

Mr.  ScHERER.  I  ask  that  you  direct  the  witness  to  answer. 

The  Chairman.  You  are  directed  to  answer. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  already  given. 

The  Chairman.  All  right.    Go  ahead. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  put  it  to  you  as  a  fact  that  one  Kobert  Gunkel  in 
1947,  who  was  then  the  Hamilton  County  chairman  of  the  Communist 
Party,  called  a  special  meeting  to  hear  you  discuss,  and  make  a  report 
of,  a  Communist  meeting  which  you  had  attended  in  New  York  City. 
Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  no  recollection  of  any  such  event. 

Mr.  Nittl/e.  On  October  11,  1947,  did  you  not  address  the  State 
Convention  of  the  Communist  Party  at  the  Ukrainian  Labor  Temple 
on  Auburn  Avenue  in  Cleveland  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  no  recollection  of  it.  I  might  say  that  you 
get  witnesses  here,  your  friendly  witnesses,  who  have  phenomenal 
memories,  who  can  recite  a  hundred  names  of  people  and  what  they 
did  in  the  last  20  years.  I  don't  have  any  such  memory.  I  am  just 
a  normal  human  being. 

The  Chairman.  Didn't  it  strike  you  as  significant  that  when  the 
people  named  were  called  and  asked  about  the  recollection  of  this 
witness  they  invoked  the  fifth  amendment  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  think  they  were  perfectly  right  in  doing  so  be- 
cause it  is  not  the  business — furthermore,  I  think,  Your  Honor 

The  Chairman.  We  don't  care  what  you  think.  If  I  would  inquire 
into  what  you  think,  you  would  accuse  me  of  violating  your  consti- 
tutional right. 

Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  don't  care  what  you  think.  I  think  it  is  your  pri- 
vate business  what  you  think.  Wliy  should  any  congressional  com- 
mittee probe  my  mind.     That  is  my  affair. 

The  Chairman.  We  are  not  probing  your  mind  at  all.  We  are 
asking  you  about  a  course  of  conduct  over  the  years  which  indicated 
to  us  that  you  were  in  a  position  to  supply  this  committee  with  infor- 
mation which  would  be  helpful  in  the  drafting  of  legislation  designed 
to  make  us  more  secure  in  this  cold  war  that  we  are  engaged  in. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  am  very  much  concerned  with  the  security  of  our 
country  and  any  information  which  I  can  give  which  would  help  I 
would  be  glad  to  do  so. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1125 

The  Chairman.  All  right.  Now  you  are  going  to  be  given  the 
opportunity. 

Proceed. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  show  you  a  publication,  marked  for  identification  as 
Chancey  Exhibit  No.  1,  which  is  a  publication  tilled  Contact^  issued 
by  the  National  Organization  and  Education  Commissions  of  the  Com- 
munist Party,  U.S.A.,  and  I  ask  if  you  authored  the  article  on  page  11 
thereof,  as  shown  by  your  byline,  in  the  August  1947  issue  of  that 
publication. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  seen  it. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  make  that  contribution  to  this  leading  Com- 
munist Party  theoretical  organ  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  to  decline  for  the  reasons  given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  question  to  which  you  addressed  yourself  in  that 
article,  as  set  forth  on  page  11  thereof,  is  as  follows : 

To  what  extent  can  the  group  system  help  solve  the  tough  problem  of  how  to 
overcome  the  gap  between  the  active  and  inactive  sections  of  our  membership? 

Then  you  go  on  to  say : 

With  some  700  new  members  as  a  result  of  the  present  recruiting  drive,  we  are 
faced  with  the  problem  of  making  guarantees  that  these  comrades  will  be  drawn 
into  the  life  and  activities  of  our  clubs. 

Were  you  referring  to  700  members  in  the  Cleveland  area,  or  for 
the  entire  State  of  Ohio  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Chancey.  As  you  well  know,  I  did  not  say  that  I  wrote  the 
article  and,  therefore,  I  think  it  is  a  loaded  question.  I  also  think  that 
much  of  the  proceedings  going  on  here  about  parties  being  held  and 
people  running  for  political  office 

The  Chaikman.  You  haven't  been  asked  about  this  at  all.  Mr. 
Nittle,  proceed. 

Just  a  minute.  You  answer  the  question  you  are  asked.  Don't 
comment  on  the  questions  that  have  been  asked  of  other  witnesses. 

Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  shall  answer.  I  did  not  admit  to  having  written 
this  article  and,  therefore,  I  think  your  question — whether  I  made 
such-and-such  a  statement — I  think  is  irrelevant  and  I  decline  to 
answer  it. 

Mr.  NriTLE.  For  the  reasons  previously  stated  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  For  the  reasons  previously  stated. 

(Docmnent  marked  "Chancey  Exhibit  No.  1"  follows :) 


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1128  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiiTLE.  Certainly  none  but  those  highest  in  the  Communist 
Party  ranks  in  the  country  would  have  available  to  them  the  mem- 
bership lists  of  the  Communist  Party  in  the  State  of  Ohio.  Would 
you  comment  upon  that  statement  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  no  comment  to  make. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  During  the  year  1948  were  you  not  reelected  to  the 
State  Committee  of  the  Communist  Party  at  its  Stata  Convention? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Is  it  not  a  fact  that  at  the  same  convention  you  were 
one  of  the  principal  speakers  and  reported  to  the  delegates  on  "Party 
Organization"  and  "The  Fight  for  the  Communist  Party"  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Didn't  this  report  deal  with  the  call  to  membership 
and  leadership  of  the  party  for  the  important  task  of  building  the 
party  as  the  "vanguard  of  the  working  class"? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  didn't  say  I  made  that  report  and,  therefore,  I  think 
your  question  is  a  loaded  one  and  I  don't  see  any  reason  to  answer  it. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  not  the  convention  report  which  you  made  direct 
every  party  member  to  pay  "miswerving  personal  attention  to  the 
moulding  and  the  processing  of  the  party  clubs  in  every  shop  and 
factory"? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  think  you  are  just  making  speeches.  I  don't  think 
you  are  asking  any  question. 

Mr.  NiTPLE.  Did  you  or  did  you  not  make  that  report,  and  did  I  not 
quote  your  language  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  already  said  I  refuse  to  answer  this  question,  so 
why  do  you  ask  me  whether  I  said  these  things  ?  I  said  I  refuse  to 
answer  that  I  made  that  report,  so  why  are  you  making  speeches  here 
like  that  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  not  also  at  that  convention  elected  a  delegate 
to  represent  the  Ohio  Communist  Party  at  the  succeeding  National 
Convention  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  Let  me  ask  you,  do  you  have  anything  of  any  crimes 
that  I  committeed  there  that  you  are  so  serious  about  ? 

Mr.  ScHEKER.  I  ask  you  to  direct  the  witness  to  answer  the  question. 

The  Chahiman.  You  are  directed  to  answer  the  question. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  decline  to  answer  it  for  the  reasons  given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Chancey,  I  show  you  an  unassigned  Communist 
Party  membership  card  for  the  year  1948,  No.  103218,  on  w^hich  ap- 
pears the  signature  of  Gus  Hall  as  state  chairman  and  your  own  name, 
Martin  Chancey,  underneath.  Is  that  your  signature  or  a  facsimile 
of  it? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  reasons  already  given. 

(Document  marked  "Chancey  Exhibit  No.  2"  and  retained  in 
committee  files.) 

The  Chairman.  Chancey.  Is  that  the  name  under  which  you  were 
bom? 

Was  your  name  changed  when  you  were  naturalized  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  anglicized  my  name.  I  was  not  born  under  that 
name. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  May  I  ask  you  at  this  point  w-hat  was  the  extent  of 
your  formal  education  ? 


COMIVIUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1129 

Mr.  CiiANCEY.  I  graduated  elementary  school,  high  school,  and  I 
went  to  NYU. 

]Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  did  you  graduate  from  high  school  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  New  York  City. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  following  high  school  you  went  to  New  York 
University  ? 

Mr.  CiiANCET.  I  went  to  New  York  University  and  I  went  to  the 
law  school  there  and  I  received  a 

Mr.  NiTiLE.  "Wait  a  moment.  Did  you  go  to  college  at  New  York 
University,  or  directly  to  law  school? 

Mr.  Chancey.  It  is  a  college,  a  prelaw,  and  then  I  went  to  law 
scliool. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  went  to  college.    Did  you  get  a  degree  at  college? 

Mr,  Chancey.  I  got  a  B.S.  degree  at  college. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  had  how  many  years  in  college? 

Mr.  Chancey.  About  six.  I  received  a  doctor  of  jurisprudence  de- 
gree after  graduating  law  school  from  NYU. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  got  a  B.S.  degree  in  college.  Then  you  went  to 
law  school? 

Mr.  Chancey.  That  is  right. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  many  years  did  you  spend  at  law  school  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  They  had  some  sort  of  a  package  deal.  I  think  it 
was  6  years  altogether. 

Mr.  NiTT'LE.  Six  years  at  law  school  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  No,  prelaw  and  law. 

I  don't  remember  exactly  how  it  divided  up. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  get  a  doctor  of  jurisprudence  degree? 

Mr.  Chancey.  That  is  right. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  admitted  to  the  practice  of  law  anywhere? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  w^as. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  now  a  member  of  the  bar  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  No.    I  am  not. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  To  what  bar  were  you  admitted  to  practice  law  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  New  York  Bar. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  long  did  you  practice  law  at  the  New  York  Bar? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  didn't  practice  law. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  "What  year  were  you  admitted  to  the  New  York  Bar? 

(Tlie  witness  conferred  with  counsel. ) 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  don't  quite  know  what  purpose,  legislative  pur- 
pose, all  this  questioning  will  lead  to,  how  it  will  help  this  country 
draft  good  laws. 

The  Chairman.  Ask  another  question,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  NinxE.  Would  it  be  correct  to  say,  Mr.  Chancey,  tliat  the  ma- 
jor part  of  your  activities  within  the  Communist  Party  in  the  past 
has  been  directed  to  organizational  activities  and  with  respect  to  the 
colonization  of  industry  by  Communists? 

Mr.  Chancey.  This  is  obviously  a  loaded  question.  I  did  not  an- 
swer to  being  a  member  of  the  party  or  being  active  and  now  you  are 
asking  me  what  my  activities  consisted  of. 

Mr.  Nittle.  You  are  given  the  opportunity  to  respond. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  already  stated  my  reasons  why  I  would  re- 
fuse to  respond. 


1130  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  during  April  1950  as  state  secretary  of  the 
Communist  Party  attend  a  Communist  Party  meeting  at  the  head- 
quarters of  the  Fur  and  Leatlier  Workers  Union,  1064  Flint  Street  in 
Cincinnati,  Ohio? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  haven't  the  faintest  recollection. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  do  not  deny  your  attendance  there? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  this  question  on  the  gi'ounds 
given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  On  March  17,  1952,  John  Janowitz  testified  before 
the  Ohio  Un-American  Activities  Commission  that  you  were  the  per- 
son in  the  party  for  issuing  directives  to  all  echelons  of  the  Commu- 
nist Party  in  the  State  of  Ohio.  I  will  give  you  an  opportunity  to 
affirm  or  deny  that  testimony. 

(Witness  conferred  with  coimsel.) 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  decline  to  answer  this  question  on  the  grounds 
given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  On  April  21,  1952,  John  C.  Mitchell  testified  before 
the  Ohio  Commission  that  all  reports  made  by  him  as  a  member  of 
the  Communist  Party  were  sent  to  Martin  Chancey  as  state  secretary 
of  the  Communist  Party.    Was  that  testimony  correct  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  will  not  answer  this  question  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  On  September  13,  1954,  Arthur  Strunk  testified  before 
this  House  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities  that  during  his  last 
years  in  the  Communist  Party,  and  as  late  as  the  year  1952,  he  col- 
lected membership  dues  which  were  then  sent  on  to  you  in  Cleveland, 
Ohio,  from  Dayton. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  think  it  will  save  a  lot  of  time 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  receive  dues  collected  by  Arthur  Strunk  in 
Dayton  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  Your  Honor,  it  will  save  a  lot  of  time  if  I  will  just 
say  that  I  refuse  to  answer  statements  made  by  paid  informers,  people 
who  work  for  money  and  have  to  lie  for  that  purpose,  and  I  don't  see 
any  reason  why  you  have  to  spend  hours  of  time.  These  paid  in- 
formers who  are  given 

The  Chairman.  They  are  not  paid  informers  at  all.  They  are 
statements  of  reputable  witnesses  under  oath,  and  you  have  seen  fit 
not  to  deny  the  sworn  testimony  of  these  witnesses. 

Now,  there  are  other  questions  that  we  would  like  to  ask  you  about 
your  activities. 

Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Chancey.  As  you  Imow,  Mr.  Walter,  if  these  people  would  pro- 
duce their  FBI  reports  and  be  subject  to  cross-examination  this  would 
be  statutory,  but  this  is  a  very  one-sided  proceeding  here  that  you 
subject  the  witness  to. 

The  Chairman.  Proceed. 

Mr.  Nittle.  How  much  are  you  being  paid  by  the  Communist 
Party  at  this  time  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  Well,  do  you  expect  me  to  answer  such  a  question  ? 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  on  a  salaried  basis  with  the  Communist 
Party? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  refuse  to  answer  the  question.  As  the  committee 
knows,  I  am  trying  to  run  a  little  business,  if  I  am  given  the  chance 
to  do  so,  to  make  a  living  for  myself  and  my  family. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1131 

The  Chairman.  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  He  hasn't  answered  that  question. 

Mr.  CiiANCEY.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

The  Chairman.  All  right.     Go  ahead. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Testimony  was  given  during  the  Dayton  hearings  of 
this  committee  that  you  came  to  Ohio  to  help  plan  the  strategy  for  the 
Communist-instigated  Univis  Lens  strike  which  was  in  progress  from 
May  to  August  of  19-18.    Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  testimony? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  reasons  given. 

Mr.  Scherer.  That  Univis  strike  was  the  one,  was  it  not,  Counsel, 
where  it  got  so  bad  they  had  to  call  out  the  National  Guard  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  sir. 

The  Chairman.  When  did  you  go  to  Ohio  from  New  York  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  After  I  was  discharged  from  the  Army,  my  family 
and  I  moved  to  Ohio. 

The  Chairman.  When  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  1946. 

Mr.  Scherer.  You  were  in  Dayton,  w^eren't  you,  during  the  Univis 
strike  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  am  sori-y,  I  have  to  decline  to  answer  this  question 
for  the  reasons  given. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Where  were  you  living?  TVhat  was  your  residence 
address  at  the  time  of  the  strike  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  have  to  decline  to  answer  this  question. 

Mr.  Scherer.  It  wasn't  Dayton,  Ohio,  was  it? 

Mr.  Chancey.  Sorry,  sir,  I  decline  to  answer  this  question. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Julia  Brown  testified  that  she  knew  you  as  a 
member  of  the  Communist  Party  in  the  Cleveland,  Ohio,  area  and 
that  you  were  active  on  behalf  of  the  Communist  Party  there.  Do 
you  affirm  or  deny  her  testimony  ? 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  decline  to  answer  this  for  the  reasons  already 
stated. 

The  Chairman.  Are  there  any  further  questions  ? 

All  right,  the  witness  is  excused. 

Mr.  Chancey.  I  hope  I  will  be  given  a  chance  to  rebuild  my  busi- 
ness here  and  not  be  directed  here  time  after  time  with  all  the  publicity 
that  is  accompanying  this.  It  makes  it  very  hard  on  a  person  trying 
to  support  his  family. 

The  Chairman.  Yes,  I  hope  that  you  do  rebuild  your  business.  I 
am  sure  that  the  people  in  your  community  will  take  into  considera- 
tion all  of  the  help  you  have  been  in  trying  to  protect  the  opportunity 
for  private  business  such  as  you  are  engaged  in. 

Mr.  Chancey.  Thank  you,  sir. 

The  Chairman.  The  committee  will  stand  recessed,  to  meet  at  10 
o'clock  tomorrow  morning. 

(Whereupon,  at  11 :50  a.m.,  Wednesday,  June  6,  1962,  the  hearing 
recessed,  to  reconvene  at  10  a.m.  Thursday,  June  7, 1962.) 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE  CLEVELAND,  OHIO, 

AREA 

Part  2 


THURSDAY,  JUNE  7,   1962 

United  States  House  of  Representatives, 

Subcommittee  of  the 
Committee  on  Un-American  Activities, 

Washington^  D.C. 
public  hearings 

The  subcommittee  of  the  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities 
met,  pursuant  to  recess,  at  10  a.m.  in  the  Caucus  Room,  Old  House 
Office  Building,  Hon.  Clyde  Doyle  presiding. 

Subcommittee  members  present :  Representatives  Francis  E.  Walter, 
of  Pennsylvania;  Clyde  Doyle,  of  California;  Gordon  H.  Scherer,  of 
Ohio;  August  E.  Johansen,  of  Michigan;  and  Donald  C.  Bruce,  of 
Indiana. 

Committee  members  also  present:  Henry  C.  Schadeberg,  of  Wis- 
consin.  (Appearance  as  noted.) 

Staff  members  present:  Francis  J.  McNamara,  director;  Frank  S. 
Tavenner,  Jr.,  general  coimsel;  Alfred  M.  Nittle,  counsel;  and  Neil 
E.  Wetterman,  mvestigator. 

Mr.  Doyle.  The  subcommittee  of  the  House  Committee  on  Un- 
Ajnerican  Activities,  as  a  matter  of  cooperation  with  another  House 
committee  which  wants  to  use  this  room  because  they  will  have  a  large 
attendance,  will  adjourn  now  to  1304  of  the  New  House  Building 
across  the  street. 

That  is  the  Public  Works  Committee  Room.  That  is  1304  across 
the  street.     The  witnesses  had  been  subpenaed  to  be  in  this  room. 

Elsie  Tarcai.  Is  Miss  Tarcai  here  ?  Did  you  hear  my  announce- 
ment? 

Miss  Elsie  Tarcai.  Yes,  I  did. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Thank  you.    And  Violet  Tarcai? 

Miss  Violet  Tarcai.  Yes,  I  heard  it. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Thank  you. 

Regina  Sokol? 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  heard  it. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Thank  you. 

And  Milton  Tenenbaum? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Thank  you. 

And  Ruth  Emmer? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Thank  you. 

Eugene  Bayer? 

1133 


1134  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  FoRER.  He  is  scheduled  for  this  afternoon.  I  will  get  the  word 
to  him. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Thank  you.     Mr.  Forer  is  counsel. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  do  not  remember  agreeing  to  have  liim  scheduled 
this  afternoon. 

Mr,  FoRER.  Remember  I  spoke  to  you  and  asked  if  it  would  be  okay 
for  him  to  be  in  the  afternoon  because  he  w^anted  to  fly  in,  so  he  is  on 
his  way. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mr.  Joseph  Forer,  attorney  for  Eugene  Bayer,  is  pres- 
ent and  they  will  be  in  attendance  in  the  afternoon. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Abraham  Strauss? 

Mr.  Strauss.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Sylvia  Strauss  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  Yes. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Thank  you.  Then  will  you  witnesses  please  adjourn 
to  Room  1304.  That  is  across  the  street  in  the  new  building.  The 
subcommittee  will  convene  there. 

(A  brief  recess  was  taken.) 

(The  subcommittee  reconvened  in  Room  1304,  New  House  Office 
Building,  Hon.  Francis  E.  Walter  (chairman)  presiding,  with  the 
following  members  present:  Representatives  Walter,  Doyle,  and 
Johansen.) 

The  Chairman.  The  committee  will  be  in  order. 

Call  your  first  witness. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Sylvia  Strauss,  please  come  forward. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  right  hand  please?  Stand 
up.  Do  you  swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the 
truth,  the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  Yes. 

TESTIMONY  OF  SYLVIA  STEAUSS,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

NOEMAN  HELLEE 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  name  for  the  record,  please  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  Sylvia  Strauss. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  represented  by  counsel,  Mrs.  Strauss? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  Yes,  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  counsel  please  identify  himself  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  Heller.  Norman  Heller,  member  of  the  Bar  of  the  District 
of  Colmnbia,  volunteer  attorney  for  the  American  Civil  Liberties 
Union. 

The  Chairman.  Mr.  Heller,  did  this  witness  request  3'ou  to  appear  ? 

Mr.  Heller.  She  requested  an  attorney  from  the  American  Civil 
Liberties  Union,  not  me  specifically,  no,  sir. 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  was  the  date  and  place  of  your  birth,  Mrs. 
Strauss? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  July  10, 1910,  Pittsburgh,  Pennsylvania. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  is  your  present  residence  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  2801  Avondale  Road,  Cleveland  Heights,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  long  have  you  lived  in  Cleveland,  Ohio  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  16  years. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  beg  your  pardon  ? 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1135 

Mrs.  Strauss.  16  years. 

Mr.  Ni'iTLE.  Mrs.  Brown  testified  in  this  hearing  tliat  she  knew 
you  to  be  a  member  of  tlie  Communist  Party  while  she  herself  resided 
ni  the  Cleveland  area.  I  would  like  to  ask,  Mrs.  Strauss,  whether  you 
are  at  this  moment  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  basis  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  NrriLE.  Do  you  wish  to  avail  yourself  of  the  opportunity  being 
now  offered  you  to  affirm  or  deny  the  testimony  of  Mrs.  Brown  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  basis  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  NrrTLE.  Mrs.  Bi-own  testified  that  shortly  after  her  induction 
into  the  Comnmnist  Party  in  Cleveland  during  the  Christmas  holidays 
of  1047  she  was  assigned  to  a  group  or  cell  of  the  Comnmnist  Party  for 
the  purposes  of  instruction  and  indoctrination  and  that  you  were  the 
teacher  of  that  group.  She  further  testified  that  she  met  frequently 
in  your  home,  together  with  other  persons  who  were  receiving  similar 
instructions  from  you. 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  basis  of  the  fii*st  and  fifth 
amendments. 

The  Chairman.  Did  you  ever  conduct  any  classes  anywhere,  any 
instructions  on  communism  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  basis  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  NiiTTLE.  I  understand  further  that  you  have  been  vei-y  active  in 
support  of  Communist  activities.  Would  you  care  to  affirm  or  deny 
that  statement? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  on  June  11,  1960,  attend  a  farewell  party  at 
the  American-Russian  Hall  at  No.  13700  Kinsman  Road,  Cleveland, 
Ohio,  which  was  given  "in  honor"  of  Elizabeth  Hall,  wife  of  Gus 
Hall,  who  was  leaving  to  join  her  husband  in  New  York  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  know  Gus  Hall  personally  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTiJi.  I  put  it  to  you  as  a  fact  that  you  have  for  many  years 
past  worked  together  in  association  with  Gus  Hall  to  advance  the  ob- 
jectives and  purposes  of  the  Communist  Party.  Will  you  affirm  or 
deny  that  statement? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  a  member  of  an  organization  in  the  Cleveland 
area  known  as  the  Council  on  Human  Relations  ? 

Mrs.  Str.\uss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  you  were  named  to  the  board  of 
trustees  of  that  Council,  were  you  not,  at  or  about  the  mid-fifties? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiT'n.E.  The  Council  on  Human  Relations  was  a  successor  to 
an  organization  known  as  the  National  Conference  of  Christians  and 
Jews  in  your  area,  was  it  not  ? 

Mrs.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NirrLE.  The  Council  on  Human  Relations  and  the  National 
Conference  of  Christians  and  Jews  are  not  known  as  Communist 
organizations,  nor  do  I  imply  that.     Do  you  feel  that  it  would  in- 

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1136  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

criminate  you  to  admit  your  membership  at  that  time  in  that  non-Com- 
munist organization  ? 

Mrs,  Strauss.  It  is  possible  it  may  tend  to  incriminate  me.  I  do 
not  know. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  instructed  by  any  person  known  to  you  to  be 
a  Communist  to  infiltrate  the  Comicil  on  Human  Relations  or  the 
National  Conference  of  Christians  and  Jews? 

Mrs.  Str.\uss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NrrTLE.  No  further  questions,  Mr.  Walter. 

The  Chairman.  Any  questions  ? 

Mr.  DoTLE.  No  questions. 

The  Chairman.  The  witness  is  excused. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Abraham  Strauss,  please  come  forward. 

The  Chairman.  Mr.  Strauss,  will  you  raise  your  right  hand  ?  Do 
you  swear  that  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth, 
the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OP  ABRAHAM  STKAUSS,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

NOEMAN  HELLER 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  For  the  purposes  of  the  record,  Mr.  Strauss,  would  you 
state  your  full  name? 

Mr.  Strauss.  Abraham  Strauss. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  note  that  you  are  represented  by  counsel. 

Mr.  Strauss.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Will  counsel  please  identify  himself  for  the  record? 

Mr.  Heller.  Norman  Heller,  member  of  the  Bar  of  the  District 
of  Columbia,  a  volunteer  for  the  American  Civil  Liberties  Union. 

The  Chairman.  Mr.  Heller,  may  I  ask  you :  Are  you  aware  of  the 
type  of  people  that  you  are  representing  here? 

Mr.  PIeller.  I  understand  what  they  have  been  accused  of  by  other 
people  and  I  also  understand  that  they  have  certain  rights  which  I 
have  advised  them  of. 

The  Chairman.  We  understand  that  entirely,  but  this  last  witness 
quite  obviously  was  connected  with  the  international  Communist 
movement.  I  am  interested  in  knowing  whether  or  not  your  organ- 
ization has  adopted  a  policy  of  representing  people  who  are  identi- 
fied with  this  movement.  We  are  not  complaining  about  your  ap- 
pearance here.  What  I  am  interested  in  knowing  is  whether  or  not 
your  organization  has  adopted  a  policy  of  identifying  itself  with 
people  who  have  been  identified  under  oath  as  members  of  the  inter- 
national conspiracy. 

Mr.  Heller.  My  understanding  is  that  the  American  Civil  Liberties 
Union  will  represent  anyone  who  claims  that  their  civil  liberties  are 
threatened  by  the  courts  or  any  congressional  committee,  and  that  is 
my  purpose  in  representing  Mr.  and  Mrs.  Strauss.  They  have  made 
that  claim,  and  I  am  here  to  advise  them  as  to  their  rights  under  the 
Constitution. 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  the  date  and  place  of  your  birth,  Mr. 
Strauss  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1137 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  was  born  in  Rumania  60  years  ago,  that  is  in  No- 
vember of  1902. 

Mr.  NrrTLE.  Can  you  state  specifically  whether  your  birth  date  was 
November  20,  1902?" 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  can't  make  a  I'ccollection  of  the  exact  year,  but 
it  was  1902.     I  know  that  I  will  be  60  on  November  20, 1962. 

Mr.  NiTaxE.  Are  you  a  citizen  of  the  United  States  ? 

Mr.  Stilvuss.  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  is  your  present  residence  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  2801  Avondale  Street,  Cleveland  Heights,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTi'LE.  How  long  have  you  lived  in  Cleveland  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  16  years. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  the  husband  of  the  prior  witness,  Sylvia 
Strauss  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  Yes,  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Prior  to  coming  to  Cleveland,  Ohio,  16  years  ago,  where 
did  you  live? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendment  of  the  Constitution. 

The  Chairman.  You  are  directed  to  answer  that  question. 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  resided  in  Pittsburgli. 

The  Chairman.  Where  in  Pittsburgli  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  Nicholson  Street.  Frankly,  I  cannot  recollect  the 
number,  the  address.     It  was  Nicholson  Street  on  Squirrel  Hill. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  noted  that  you  hesitated  to  tell  us  of  your  residence 
in  Pittsburgli.  Is  the  reason  for  your  hesitancy  the  fact  that  you 
were  during  your  residence  in  Pittsburgh  a  member  of  the  National- 
ity Commission  of  the  Communist  Party  of  Western  Pennsylvania  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Perhaps  you  could  tell  us  something  about  the  purposes 
of  the  Nationality  Commission,  which  performs  a  particular  function 
within  the  Communist  Party  organization  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  If  I  were  to  state  that  the  function  of  the  Nationality 
Commission  of  the  Communist  Party  liierarchy  is  to  interest  immi- 
grants in  the  objectives  of  the  Communist  Party  and  to  cause  their 
disaffection  from  the  country  of  their  adoption,  would  you  affirm 
or  deny  that  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Nittt.e.  Have  you  been  active  both  in  Pennsylvania  and  in  the 
Cleveland  area  on  behalf  of  the  Communist  Party  toward  endeavoring 
to  attract  immigrant  persons  and  groups  to  the  cause  of  the  Commu- 
nist Party? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  you  were  assigned  by  the  Com- 
munist Party  to  leave  the  Pittsburgh  area,  after  Steve  Nelson's 
conviction  in  the  courts  of  Pennsylvania  for  sedition,  to  take  up 
Communist  Party  activities  in  Cleveland.  Woidd  yon  affirm  or  deny 
that  assertion  ? 


1138  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Pursuant  to  your  activities  as  an  immigrant  leader 
on  behalf  of  the  Communist  Party,  you  have  assumed  the  role  of 
reporter  for  a  newspaper  directed  toward  immigrants  known  as  the 
Morning  Freiheit^  have  you  not? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  declme  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NittijE.  You  are  presently  a  reporter  for  the  Morning  Freiheit'^i 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

The  Chairman.  Are  you  employed  ? 

(Counsel  conferred  with  witness.) 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTi'LE.  The  committee  is  interested  in  obtaining  information 
which  will  confirm  or  explain  its  findmgs  or  testimony  previously 
received.  In  our  Guide  to  Subversive  Organizations  and  Puhlications, 
the  Committee  on  Un-American  Activities  has  listed  the  Morning 
Freiheit  as  a  subversive  publication,  based  in  part  upon  a  finding  of 
the  Subversive  Activities  Control  Board,  which  is  a  quasi-judicial 
body  set  up  under  the  Internal  Security  Act  of  1950.  The  Subversive 
Activities  Control  Board  found  that  the  Communist  International 
"subsidized  *  *  *  the  founding  of  the  CPIJSA's  newspaper,  Freiheit^ 

As  one  familiar  with  the  operations  of  the  Morning  Freiheit,  would 
you  care  to  comment  upon  this  finding  of  the  Subversive  Activities 
Control  Board? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  Communist  International  was  organized  in  1919 
by  the  Soviet  Union  as  the  international  organization  of  Communist 
parties  in  all  countries  so  as  to  make  possible  Soviet  leadership  of  the 
world  Communist  movement.  Do  you  affirm  or  deny  that  the  Morn- 
ing Freiheit  is  an  instrumentality  of  Moscow  leadership? 

Mr.  S'lTJAuss.  Are  you  through  with  your  question  ? 

Mr.  XiTTLE.  Yes. 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  According  to  affidavits  filed  by  the  business  manage- 
ment of  the  Morning  Freiheit  under  the  act  of  Congress  requiring  a 
statement  of  average  paid  circulation,  the  officials  of  the  Morning 
Freiheit  as  of  September  26,  1961,  indicated  that  the  paid  circulation 
of  the  Morning  Freiheit  totals  7,896. 

Now,  while  that  may  be  the  national  paid  circulation  of  the  news- 
paper, I  would  like  to  ask  you  whether  you  could  enlighten  the  com- 
mittee and  the  American  people  as  to  the  extent  of  the  circulation  of 
the  Morning  Freiheit  within  Cleveland  itself  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  While  7,896  is  the  total  paid  circulation,  am  I  correct 
in  saying  that  many  more  copies  of  this  newspaper  are  disseminated 
free  of  charge  ? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Have  you  yourself  engaged  in  the  free  distribution 
of  the  Moiling  Freiheit  within  the  Cleveland  area  on  behalf  of  the 
Communist  Party  leadership  of  the  State  of  Ohio? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mi-s.  Brown  in  the  course  of  her  testimony  told  the 
committee  that  offices  were  maintained  by  the  Communist  Party  on 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1139 

behalf  of  its  activities,  first,  at  5103  Euclid  Avenue  in  Cleveland 
and  that  subsequently  the  headquarters  were  moved  to  2014  East  105th 
Street  in  Cleveland  in  the  mid-fifties.  We  understand  that  the  Com- 
munist Party  maintained  a  bookshop  at  that  address  called  the  One 
World  Bookshop,  the  objective  of  which  was  to  disseminate  Com- 
munist literature  and  propaganda  with  the  view  of  influencing  Com- 
munists and  non-Communists. 

Did  you  have  anything  to  do  with  the  managment  or  operation 
of  the  One  World  Bookshop  at  the  address,  namely,  2014  East  105th 
Street,  Cleveland,  Ohio? 

Mr.  Str^vuss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  put  it  to  you  as  a  fact  that  you  have  operated  out 
of  that  address  as  a  propagandist  amongst  immigrant  persons  in 
the  Cleveland  area.    Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  assertion  of  fact? 

Mr,  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  have  no  further  questions,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  One  question,  Mr.  Chairman.  Counsel,  does  your 
investigation  disclose  whether  this  newspaper,  the  Morning  Freiheit^ 
is  circulated  through  the  mails? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  Mr.  Johansen,  we  understand  that  the  Morning 
Freiheit  is  circulated  through  the  mails.  The  main  publishing  house 
is  located  in  New  York  City. 

Mr.  Johansen.  And  therefore  they  enjoy  special  rates  to  which 
second-class  mail  newspapers  are  entitled  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  would  agree  with  that  statement. 

Mr.  JoiiANSEN.  Mr.  Strauss,  w^ould  you  care  to  advise  us  whether 
the  newspaper  enjoys  second-class  rates  which  are  extended  generally 
to  newspapers,  which  amounts,  in  effect,  to  a  subsidy  by  the  taxpayers? 

Mr.  Strauss.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  Johansen.  That  is  all. 

The  Chairman.  The  witness  is  excused. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Ruth  Emmer. 

The  Chairman.  Stand  up  please  and  raise  your  right  hand.  Do  you 
swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth,  the  whole 
truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  RUTH  EMMER,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JACK  REDDEN 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  please  identify  yourself  for  the  record  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  My  name  is  Ruth  Emmer. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  see  you  are  represented  by  counsel.  Will  counsel 
please  identify  himself  ? 

Mr.  Redden.  My  name  is  Jack  Redden.  I  am  in  the  Warner  Build- 
ing, Washington.  I  am  representing  Mrs.  Emmer  at  her  request  and 
at  the  request  of  the  American  Civil  Liberties  Union. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Schadeberg  entered  the  hearing  room.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  the  place  of  your  bn-th  and  the  date 
of  your  birth? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  Cleveland,  Ohio,  October  23, 1922. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  married  or  single? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 


1140  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

Mrs,  Emmer.  I  am  married. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Is  your  husband  named  Jack  Emmer  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Emmer.  Yes. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  also  the  sister  of  Eugene  Bayer  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel. ) 

Mrs.  Emmer.  Yes. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Do  you  know  Regina  Sokol  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  that  the  question 
violates  my  rights  guaranteed  by  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  at  this  moment  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Is  Regina  Sokol,  to  your  certain  knowledge,  as  of  this 
moment  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  Nittle.  In  tlie  early  fifties  you  were  very  active  on  behalf  of  the 
candidacy  of  Hugh  DeLacy  for  the  office  of  State  representative  for  the 
State  of  Ohio,  were  you  not  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 

Mr.  Nittle.  And  you  were  active  on  his  behalf  as  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  of  the  United  States,  were  you  not  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Did  you  not  in  that  campaign  circulate  five  petitions 
on  his  behalf  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  Nittle.  These  petitions  were  notarized  by  a  notary,  Elsie  Tar- 
cai,  is  that  correct  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  thought  you  had  nodded  previously.  You  were 
merely  nodding  to  indicate  that  you  had  heard  my  question  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Did  you  know  Elsie  Tarcai  to  be  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  at  the  time  those  documents  were  notarized? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  Nittle.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  I  put  it  to  you  that  you"  know  that 
as  of  this  moment  Elsie  Tarcai  is  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party. 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Is  there  a  civic  organization  in  the  Cleveland  area 
known  as  the  Mount  Pleasant  Community  Council  ? 
(Witness  conferred  with  counsel. ) 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  wish  no  inference  to  be  taken  that  the  Mount  Pleasant 
Community  Council  is  a  Communist  organization.  So  far  as  our 
knowledge  is  concerned,  it  is  not  that  kind  of  organization.  It  is  a 
civic  organization.  Are  you  presently  a  member  of  that  organiza- 
tion ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 
The  Chairman.  I  direct  you  to  answer  that  question. 
(Witness  conferred  with'counsel.) 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1141 

Mr.  Kedden.  What  was  the  last  question  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  the  reporter  kindly  read  it  to  the  witness? 

(The  reporter  read  the  question.) 

The  Chairman.  I  directed  the  witness  to  answer  the  question  as 
to  whether  or  not  she  was  a  member  of  whatever  the  organization  is. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mount  Pleasant  Community  Council,  Mr.  Chairman. 

(Counsel  conferred  with  the  witness.) 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  prefer  not  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

The  Chairman.  Now,  you  say  you  prefer  not  to  answer.  Do  you 
decline  or  refuse  to  answer? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  fifth  amend- 
ment. 

The  Chairman.  I  think  it  is  my  duty  to  warn  you  that  you  have 
been  advised  by  counsel  that  this  organization  about  which  you  are 
being  interrogated  is  not  a  Communist  organization.  Nobody  believes 
that  it  is.  There  has  never  been  any  charge  that  it  is  and  to  invoke 
the  fifth  amendment,  might  subject  you  to  some  difficulties  with  this 
committee.     I  think  it  is  my  duty  to  so  warn  you. 

Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  NiT'i'LE.  While  you  were  a  member  of  the  Mount  Pleasant  Com- 
munity Council  did  you  also  know  as  members  of  that  organization  the 
following  named  individuals :  Regina  Sokol,  Pearl  Levin,  and  Eugene 
Brudno? 

Perhaps  you  better  read  that  question  back  to  her. 

(The  reporter  read  the  question.) 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Brown  has  testified  that  she  knew  Regina  Sokol 
to  be  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party.  I  assert  as  a  fact  that  you, 
too,  know  that  Regina  Sokol  was  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party 
as  Mrs.  Brown  testified.  Do  you  wish  to  affirm  or  deny  that  fact  or 
explain  it  in  some  way  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Brown  testified  that  she  knew  Pearl  Levin  as  a 
member  of  the  Communist  Party.  I  say  that  you,  too,  know  Pearl 
Levin  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party.  Do  you  wish  to  affirm  or 
deny  that  assertion  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Brown  has  also  identified  Eugene  Brudno  as  a 
member  of  the  Communist  Party.  I  put  it  to  you  as  a  fact  that  you, 
too,  know  Eugene  Brudno  to  have  been  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party,  as  Mrs.  Brown  testified.  Would  you  affirm  or  deny  that 
statement? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTi.E.  Mrs.  Brown  also  testified  that  members  of  the  Com- 
munist Party  in  the  Cleveland  area  had  received  instructions  to  infil- 
irate  non-Communist  organizations — churches,  educational  institu- 
tions, public  offices,  and  other  non-Communist  groups.  I  ask.  Did 
.you  receive  instructions  from  the  Communist  Party  to  infiltrate  the 
Mount  Pleasant  Community  Council? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  reasons  already  stated. 


1142  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE,  Mrs.  Emmer,  if  you  did  not  receive  those  instructions 
how  could  that  possibly  incriminate  you  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  be  able  to  tell  us  what  the  objective  was  of 
the  Communist  directive  to  infiltrate  civic  organizations  ? 
Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  reasons  already  stated. 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  In  asking  you  that  question,  Mrs.  Eimner,  I  assumed 
that  you  had  knowledge  of  the  purposes  of  the  Communist  Party. 
Was  I  correct  in  my  assumption  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  the  same  reasons. 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  could  it  possibly  incriminate  you  if  you  did  not 
have  knowledge  of  such  purposes  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  The  committee,  Mrs.  Emmer,  has  had  a  great  deal  of 
testimony  on  certain  aspects  of  Communist  policy  and  how  that  policy 
is  carried  out.    We  would,  however,  like  you  to  enlighten  us,  if  you 
will,  as  to  the  methods  utilized  by  Communists  to  stimulate  "class 
struggle"  within  or  by  the  use  of  civic  organizations.    By  "class  strug- 
gle" I  refer  to  agitation  or  the  atomization  and  disintegration  of  a 
social  group,  the  setting  of  people  against  each  other,  or  the  creation  of 
excessive  burdens  and  demands  upon  the  government  of  the  area,  or 
of  the  United  States?    Would  you  tell  us  how  this  is  done? 
Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  reasons  already  stated. 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  it  not  your  purpose  to  do  just  that  in  your  activi- 
ties in  the  Mount  Pleasant  Community  Council  ? 

Mr.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  do  not  recollect  if  I  asked  you  whether  you  are  at  this 
instant  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party.    I  believe  I  did. 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you,  while  pursuing  your  Communist  objectives, 
participate  in  a  picket  line  demonstration  on  January  16,  1962,  at  the 
Federal  Building  in  Cleveland  on  behalf  of  a  Communist-front  or- 
ganization, the  Cleveland  Committee  to  Secure  Justice  for  Morton 
Sobell? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  under  my  rights  under  the  first 
and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  you  drove  Helen  Sobell,  the  wife 
of  Morton  Sobell,  to  the  site  of  that  demonstration  in  the  car  of  Milton 
Tenenbaum,  did  you  not  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  Morton  Sobell  was  a  co-defendant  with  Ethel  and 
Julius  Rosenberg,  the  notorious  atom  spies  who  jeopardized  the  se- 
curity of  this  Nation  for  many  years  to  come. 
The  Chairman.  Ask  the  next  question. 

Mr.  NiTFLE.  Did  you  not  as  recently  as  January  16,  1962,  partici- 
pate, at  the  behest  of  the  Communist  Party  of  the  Cleveland  area,  in 
setting  up  a  picket  line  demonstration  before  the  Federal  Building 
at  Cleveland,  Ohio,  on  that  date  ? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  grounds  of  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1143 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  Milton  Tenenbaum,  whose  car,  I  charge, 
you  drove  to  the  demonstration  ? 

IMrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Brown  has  identified  him  as  a  member  of  the  Com- 
munist Party  during  her  activities  in  that  party  between  1951  and 
1960.  I  state  that  you  knew,  and  now  know,  Milton  Tenenbaum  as  a 
member  of  the  Communist  Party  in  the  Cleveland  area.  Will  you 
affirm  or  deny  that  assertion  of  fact? 

Mrs.  Emmer.  I  refuse  to  answer  for  reasons  already  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  have  no  further  questions,  Mr.  Chairman. 

The  Chairman.  All  right.   Any  questions  ? 

Mr.  Doyle.  No  questions. 

The  Chairman.  Call  your  next  witness. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Milton  Tenenbaum,  please  come  forward. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  stand  up  and  raise  your  right  hand  ?  Do 
you  swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth,  the 
whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  do. 

The  Chairman.  The  committee  will  stand  in  recess  for  5  minutes. 

(A  brief  recess  was  taken.) 

The  Chairman.  Are  you  ready,  Mr.  Nittle  ? 

Mr.  Nittle.  Yes,  Mr.  Chairman. 

TESTIMONY  OF  MILTON  TENENEATJM,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

CLEMENT  THEODORE  COOPER 

Mr.  Nittle.  For  the  purpose  of  the  record,  would  you  please  state 
your  name  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Milton  Tenenbaum. 

Mr.  Nittle.  You  are  represented  by  counsel  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  am. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Will  counsel  please  identify  himself  for  the  record. 

Mr.  Cooper.  My  name  is  Clement  Theodore  Cooper.  I  am  a  mem- 
ber of  the  State  Bar  of  Michigan  and  the  District  of  Columbia.  I 
am  representing  Mv.  Tenenbaum  through  the  American  Civil  Lib- 
erties Union  as  a  volunteer  attorney. 

The  Chairman.  May  I  ask  you  whether  or  not  you  know  that  the 
purpose  of  your  organization  is  the  abolition  of  this  committee,  its 
stated  purpose  in  its  literature  ? 

Mr.  Cooper.  I  am  not  at  liberty,  Mr.  Chairman,  to  give  any  informa- 
tion on  that  point,  inasmuch  as  I  am  not  a  spokesman  for  the  Amer- 
ican Civil  Liberties  Union. 

The  Chairman.  No,  you  are  not  a  spokesman.  I  just  wondered  if 
you  know  that  is  the  purpose  of  your  organization  and  whether  or  not 
one  of  the  things  it  is  doing  to  bring  this  about  is  preventing  witnesses 
from  testifying. 

Mr.  Cooper.  With  all  due  respect  to  the  chairman,  I  don't  believe 
that  that  is  a  correct  connotation  or  interpretation  of  the  American 
Civil  Liberties  Union  practice.  Basically  we  are  concerned  with  pro- 
tecting the  civil  liberties  of  any  persons  where  those  liberties  have  been 
brought  into  question. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Chiefly  Communists,  though,  is  it  not  ? 


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1144  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  Cooper.  I  would  respectfully  object  to  that  question  because, 
basically,  I  am  not  here  as  a  subpenaed  witness ;  number  two,  that  it 
is  repugnant  to  the  very  purpose  why  I  am  here.  The  American  Civil 
Liberties  Union  does  not  support  any  particular  movement.  It  is 
concerned  with  protecting  the  civil  liberties  of  all  persons.  We  do 
not  inquire  into  the  political  or  social  beliefs  of  any  person.  We  are 
concerned  with  his  legal  rights  and  his  protection. 

The  Chairman.  What  about  my  civil  liberties  when  I  attempt  to 
speak  in  New  York  and  Los  Angeles  and  have  mobs  there  to  try  to 
prevent  me?  Does  your  organization  ever  raise  its  voice?  I  have 
the  right  to  speak  under  the  Constitution,  just  as  well  as  your  clients 
or  other  Communists.    I  never  heard  you  raise  your  voice  about  that. 

Mr.  Cooper.  That  would  be  very  true,  Mr.  Chairman.  However, 
it  is  only  in  a  case  where  you  seek  the  help  of  the  American  Civil 
Liberties  Union.  In  this  case,  Mr.  Tenenbaum  has  sought  the  Amer- 
ican Civil  Liberties  Union  help  and  that  is  the  reason  why  I  am  here 
and  that  is  the  reason  why  we  are  part  of  these  proceedings. 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Mr.  Scpierer.  The  American  Civil  Liberties  Union  has  appeared 
amicus  curiae  on  behalf  of  Communist  causes  and  individuals  time  and 
time  again  in  courts  in  this  countiy  without  any  request  when  the 
Communists  (under  indictment)  were  represented  by  their  own  law- 
yers. You  have  voluntarily  gone  into  court  in  support  of  Communist 
causes  when  you  were  not  asked. 

]Mr.  Cooper.  It  is  not  because  of  blanket  association  with  commu- 
nism, socialism,  or  any  other  type  of  ideology  inasmuch  as  we  are  con- 
cerned with  the  protection  afforded  under  the  Constitution  of  the 
United  States,  these  civil  liberties. 

Mr.  Doyle.  In  other  words,  it  is  to  protect  the  alleged  liberties  of  a 
man  or  woman  that  is  known  to  be  part  of  the  international  Communist 
conspiracy  to  destroy  this  form  of  government. 

Mr.  Cooper.  I  would  not  go  so  far  as  to  say  that. 

Mr.  Doyle.  The  Supreme  Court  has  said  that  is  the  purpose  of  the 
Communist  Party  of  the  United  States — you  know  that — on  June  5. 

Mr.  Cooper.  I  am  quite  aware  of  the  Supreme  Court  ruling  but  we 
are  departing  from  the  very  purpose  of  the  American  Civil  Liberties 
Union,  which  was  the  original  question  asked  by  the  chairman  and  by 
other  members  of  the  committee. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1145 

The  Chairman.  It  just  seemed  significant  to  us  that  these  people 
who  are  strangers  to  you — I  am  sure  they  never  heard  of  you,  and  I 
am  here  all  the  time  and  I  never  hoard  of  you  or  any  of  these  other 
members  of  tlie  bar  that  wore  here  this  morning — should  single  you 
out,  know  all  about  you,  and  have  you  come  here  at  this  hearing.  Go 
ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  '\^^len  and  whore  were  you  boiTi  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  New  York  City,  January  15,  1915. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  do  you  presently  reside  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  3085  Lincoln  Boulevard,  Cleveland  Heights,  Ohio. 

j\[r.  Ntttle.  What  is  your  occupation  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Tlie  first  amendment  guarantees  my  rights  of  as- 
sociation, and  I  respectfully  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  those 
grounds. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  ask  you  to  direct  the  witness  to  an- 
swer that  question.  For  the  purpose  of  identification  we  are  entitled 
to  know  the  occupation  of  this  witness. 

The  Chairman.  You  are  directed  to  answer  the  question. 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  grounds 
previously  stated  and,  in  addition,  under  the  rights  guaranteed  me  by 
the  fifth  amendment  of  the  Constitution. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Do  you  feel.  Witness,  to  answer  the  question  as  to  your 
occupation  might  lead  to  a  criminal  prosecution  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  rights 
granted  me  by  tlie  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  Scherer.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  am  merely  testing  whether  he  is 
using  the  fifth  amendment  in  good  faith ;  and  if  he  does  feel  that  it 
might  lead  to  a  criminal  prosecution,  he  must  so  state.  He  can't  invoke 
the  fifth  amendment  to  that  question.  I  ask  you  to  direct  the  witness 
to  answer  the  question. 

The  Chairman.  You  are  directed  to  answer  the  question  as  to  your 
occupation. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  grounds 
that  it  might  be  incriminating  and  I  do  this  under  the  fifth  amend- 
ment. 

The  Chairman.  Go  ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  a  paid  functionary  of  the  Communist  Party? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  rights 
granted  to  me  by  the  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  as  of  this  moment  a  member  of  the  Com- 
munist Party? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  for  the  reasons 
already  stated. 

Mr.  Nittle.  How  long  have  you  lived  in  Cleveland  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Approximately  15  years. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Prior  to  that  where  did  you  live? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  In  New  York  City. 


1146  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  In  1945  did  you  sign  a  Communist  Party  nominating 
petition  on  behalf  of  Benjamin  J.  Davis  for  the  office  of  councilman 
of  the  city  of  New  York  in  the  Borough  of  Manhattan  ? 
(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  first 
amendment  and  fifth  amendment. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Bruce  returned  to  the  hearing  room.) 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  Benjamin  J.  Davis,  the  national  secre- 
tary of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  for  the  reasons 
just  given. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  At  the  time  you  executed  that  petition  on  behalf  of 
Ben  Davis  were  you  then  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party? 
(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

IVIi'.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  for  the  reason 
this  might  be  self-incriminating. 

Mr.  NriTLE.  Wliy  did  you  change  your  residence  from  the  city  of 
New  York  to  the  city  of  Cleveland  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  don't  quite  know  what  the  pertinency  of  the 
question  is.  However,  I  moved  because  I  took  on  a  job  in  the  city 
of  Cleveland. 

The  Chairman.  What  was  your  occupation  in  New  York  before 
you  went  to  Cleveland  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  comisel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  rights 
granted  to  me  by  the  first  and  the  fifth  amendments. 

jNIr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  directed  on  behalf  of  any  person  known  to 
you  to  be  a  Communist  to  leave  the  New  York  area  and  to  take  up 
your  abode  in  the  Cleveland  area  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  have  a  statement  that  I  would 
like  to  read  to  this  committee.    It  is  a  short  statement. 

The  Chairman.  You  leave  the  statement.  We  will  look  at  it  and 
decide  whether  or  not  it  is  responsive  to  any  of  the  queries  that  we 
have  made. 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  think  it  might  obviate  the  necessity  for  many  of 
these  inquiries. 

The  Chairman.  We  will  decide  whether  or  not  it  is  necessary.  Go 
ahead,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  might  also  suggest,  ]\fr.  Chairman,  that  our  rules 
provide  that  that  any  statement  be  submitted  at  least  48  hours  be- 
fore the  witness  appears  heiore  the  committee. 

Tlie  Chairman.  We  are  not  going  to  follow  that.  You  just  leave 
your  statement,  and  I  will  look  at  it.  If  it  is  in  reply  to  the  questions 
that  you  have  just  refused  to  answer,  we  will  be  very  happy  to  make 
that  a  part  of  the  hearing. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  I  believe  there  is  an  outstanding  question,  Mr. 
Counsel. 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  May  I  hear  the  question,  please ? 
Mr.  Nittle.  Would  "you  repeat  the  question  to  the  witness,  Mr. 
Reporter  ? 

( Question  read  by  reporter. ) 

Mr,  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  ground 
of  the  fifth  amendment. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1147 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  yon  sent  to  Cleveland,  Ohio,  for  the  purpose, 
among  others,  to  oro;anize  the  ProoTessive  Party  in  that  area  ? 

(Witness conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  ScriERER.  You  mean.  Counsel,  sent  by  the  Communist  Party 
to  Cleveland? 

IMr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  sir,  I  would,  and  the  question  is  amended  to  in- 
clude what  you  have  said,  Mr.  Scherer. 

Mr.  TE>rEXBATar.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  tlie  first 
and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  XiTTLE.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  Mr.  Tenenbaum,  you  have  been  a 
fund  raiser  for  the  Progressive  Party  in  the  Cleveland  area,  have 
you  not? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  tliat  under  the  rights  granted 
to  me  by  the  first  amendment  and  that  it  might  tend  to  incriminate 
me. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Our  investigation  discloses  that  at  a  meeting  in  the 
Music  Hall,  Cleveland,  Ohio,  on  Ai)ril  CO,  1940,  it  was  announced  that 
you  were  among  the  largest  contributors  to  the  Progressive  Party. 
Was  that  announcement  correct? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  wouldn't  remember  it,  but  if  I  did  I  would  re- 
fuse to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

^Ir.  NiTTLE,  Do  you  deny  that  you  were  in  attendance  at  that 
meeting  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  on  the  grounds  of  both 
the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  not  circulate  a  ]3etition  on  behalf  of  the  can- 
didacy of  Hugh  DeLacy,  who  was  a  candidate  for  that  party,  seeking 
the  office  of  State  assemblyman  ? 

]Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Might  I  ask  counsel  if  this  is  pertinent  to  this 
investigation  ?     Is  the  Progressive  Party  a  legal  party  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  it  is  pertinent  because  we  have  f  omid 

The  Chairman.  Never  mind  arguing. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  deny  that  the  Progressive  Party  was  Com- 
munist dominated  and  controlled? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  under  the  grounds  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  were  also  in  attendance  at  a  concert  sponsored 
by  the  Progressive  Party  at  JMusic  Hall  on  March  20,  1950,  which 
featured  Paul  Robeson,  were  you  not  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  under  the  rights  granted 
to  me  by  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

]Mr.  NiiTLE.  I  note  you  did  not  state  you  did  not  remember  being 
in  attendance  at  that  meeting. 

j\[r.  Tenenbaum.  Mr.  Counsel,  I  have  attended  many,  many  con- 
certs and  many,  many  places  and  I  would  not  be  able  to  identify  the 
dates  or  the  times  of  any  of  them  unless  they  happened  within  the 
last  week,  as  I  am  certain  you  wouldn't  either. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  ('ertainly  you  would  never  forget  hearing  the  voice  of 
Paul  Robeson. 

]Mr.  Tenenbaum.  That  is  very  true.  I  have  heard  him  many,  many 
times. 


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1148  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Perhaps  you  will  remember  making  a  contribution 
openly  at  that  concert  of  $25  toward  the  Progressive  Party.  Did 
you  make  such  a  contribution  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  by  the  rights 
granted  to  me  under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments  of  the  Constitu- 
tion. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  were  also  in  attendance  at  another  fund-raising 
affair  for  the  Progressive  Party  at  Paradise  Hall  in  Cleveland  on 
May  6,  1952,  which  likewise  featured  Paul  Robeson,  and  this  concert 
was  sponsored  by  the  Cleveland  branch  of  the  National  Negro  Labor 
Council,  of  which  Mrs.  Brown  has  told  us  in  detail. 

Did  you  not  attend  that  concert  likewise  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  ScuERER.  It  seems  to  me  the  question  should  be  put  to  the  wit- 
ness as  to  whether  he  attended  these  Progressive  Party  fmictions 
as  a  functionary  of  the  Communist  Party. 

Is  that  not  so.  Witness  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  same 
grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  of  your  own  knowledge  know  how  the  funds 
were  distributed  that  were  received  at  that  concert? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  same 
o:rounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  also  engaged  in  other  activities  on  behalf 
of  the  Communist  Party  in  the  Cleveland  area  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  same  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  a  member  in  Cleveland,  Ohio,  of  the  Cleve- 
land Council  of  the  Arts,  Sciences,  and  Professions  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Are  you  finished  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes. 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  same 
grounds. 

Mr.  NiTrLE.  Did  you  hold  any  position  of  leadership  in  the  Cleve- 
land Council  of  the  Arts,  Sciences,  and  Professions? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  That  question  abridges  my  rights  to  freedom  of 
association,  and  I  respectfully  decline  to  answer  on  those  grounds 
and  that  of  my  rights  under  the  fifth  amendment. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  state  as  a  fact  that  the  Cleveland  Council  of  the 
Arts,  Sciences,  and  Professions  was  an  affiliate  of  the  National  Council 
of  the  Arts,  Sciences,  and  Professions. 

Do  you  have  knowledge  of  that  fact  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  same 
grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  This  committee  has  cited  the  National  Council  of  the 
Arts,  Sciences,  and  Professions  as  a  Communist  front.  Do  you  dis- 
agree with  that  finding? 

(Witness  conferred  with  coimsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  same 
grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  were  also  active  on  behalf  of  the  Ohio  Committee 
To  Secure  Justice  in  the  Rosenberg  Case,  were  you  not  ? 


COMJVrUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1149 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  rights 
granted  to  me  by  the  first  and  fifth  amendments  of  the  United  States 
Constitution. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  were  also  active  in  the  Cleveland  area  on  behalf 
of  another  Communist-front  organization  known  as  the  Cleveland 
Council  of  American-Soviet  Friendship? 

("Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  first 
and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Nittle.  One  of  the  events  sponsored  by  that  organization  was 
the  showing  of  two  Soviet  Russian  films  on  March  14,  1952,  at  No. 
14101  Kinsman  Road.  Our  information  indicates  that  you  were  in 
attendance  at  that  event.    Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  statement? 

("Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Mr.  Counsel,  I  have  gone  to  see  many  movies  in 
my  life.  I  don't  remember  seeing  this  particular  one,  but  if  I  did 
I  would  still  refuse  to  answer  under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NittIjE.  "We  are  not  censoring  movies,  but  we  are  interested  in 
knowing  what  are  the  activities  of  the  Commnnists  in  the  Cleveland 
area  on  behalf  of  advancing  the  interests  of  a  foreign  power.  Now, 
will  you  help  us  in  this  investigation  % 

]\Ir.  Tenenbaum.  Mr.  Counsel,  I  would  help  you  if  I  could,  but  I 
have  nothing  to  help  you  with  so  I  refuse  to  answer  any  of  those  ques- 
tions under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  could  help  us  if  you  would  testify  truthfully  about 
your  activities  on  behalf  of  the  Communist  Party. 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  That  is  a  loaded  question.  I  refuse  to  answer 
that  under  the  grounds  of  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  If  you  did  not  engage  in  these  activities  and  told  us 
truthfully  that  you  did  not,  that  would  be  an  end  of  the  inquiry. 

Mr.  Tenenbaujm.  I  asked  earlier  that  I  be  permitted  to  read  a  state- 
ment which  would  explain  precisely  this. 

Mr.  NiTixE.  Let  me  ask,  is  it  not  a  fact  that  the  Cleveland  Comicil 
of  the  Arts,  Sciences,  and  Professions,  the  Ohio  Committee  To  Secure 
Justice  in  the  Rosenberg  Case,  and  the  Cleveland  Council  of  Ameri- 
can-Soviet Friendship  are  paper  names  covering  the  activities  of 
the  same  Communists  in  the  Cleveland  area  ? 

("Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  will  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the 
rights  granted  me  by  the  first  and  fifth  amendments  of  the  Constitu- 
tion. 

Mr.  XiTTT.E.  I  state  as  a  fact  that  you  know  the  answer  to  that  ques- 
tion.    "Will  vou  affirm  or  denv  that  statement  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  will  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the 
rights  granted  to  me  by  the  fifth  amendment. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Bruce  left  the  hearing  room.) 

Mr.  Nm'EE.  As  a  matter  of  fact,  did  not  a  meeting  of  the  steering 
committee  of  the  Ohio  Committee  To  Secure  Justice  in  the  Rosenberg 
Case  take  place  at  your  home  on  December  17,  1 952  ? 

("Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  That  question  abridges  my  rights  of  freedom  of 
association  and  speech,  and  I  decline  to  answer  on  those  grounds  and 
also  under  the  rights  granted  to  me  under  the  fifth  amendment. 


1150  COJVIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  put  it  to  you  that  on  April  15,  1961,  you  participated 
ill  a  "Walk  For  Peace"  sponsored  by  the  Cleveland  Committee  for  a 
Sane  Nuclear  Policy.  Did  you  or  did  you  not  participate  in  the 
'•Walk  For  Peace"  on  April  15, 1961  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  ScHERER.  And  did  you  not  do  that  in  connection  with  your 
duties  as  a  functionary  of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  object  to  that  question  on  the  grounds  that  I 
can't  see  no  pertinency  here;  further,  that  it  abridges  my  rights  of 
association ;  further,  that  it  abridges  my  rights  under  the  fifth  amend- 
ment. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  engage  in  that  "Walk  For  Peace"  with  the 
express  purpose  of  advancing  Communist  policy  and  in  support  of  the 
aggressions  of  Soviet  foreign  policy  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Johansen  left  the  hearing  room. ) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Mr.  Counsel,  this  question  and  many  of  the  others 
designed  to  hold  me  up  to  public  ridicule.  I  think  this  is  not  a  legal 
question.  I  think  that  I  have  the  right  of  free  association  under  the 
first  amendment  and  under  the  fifth  amendment  and  I  respectfully 
decline  to  answer  on  those  grounds. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  On  January  16,  1962,  did  you  entrust  your  automobile 
to  Ruth  Emmer  for  the  purpose  of  conveying  Helen  Sobell  to  the 
picketing  demonstration  at  the  Federal  Building  and  then  to  return 
her  to  your  home  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the 
rights 

Mr.  NriTLE.  Do  you  know  Ruth  Emmer  to  be  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  object  to  the  pertinency  of  the  question  and  I 
refuse  to  answer  it  under  the  rights  granted  me  under  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments  of  the  Constitution. 

Mr,  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Brown  testified  that  she  attended  closed  Commu- 
nist Party  meetings  at  your  home.  Will  you  aiSirm  or  deny  her 
testimony  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  Mrs.  Brown  evidently  testified  to  this  committee 
that  every  social,  civic,  religious  meeting  she  ever  attended  was  a 
Communist  Party  meeting. 

Mr.  ScHERER.  That  wasn't  the  question. 

The  Chairman.  You  are  mistaken  about  that.  Go  ahead,  Mr. 
Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Will  you  please  answer  the  question  ? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  rights 
granted  to  me  under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

Mr.  Scherer.  The  question  is,  Did  you  hold  closed  Communist 
Party  meetings  at  your  home,  irrespective  of  whether  Mrs.  Brown 
testified  so  or  not? 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  under  the  rights 
granted  to  me  under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 


CO]\rMTJNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1151 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  at  these  closed  Communist  Party  meetings  were 
the  following  persons  at  one  time  or  another  meeting  with  you:  Yetta 
Land,  Jerome  Land,  Frieda  Katz,  and  Sam  Handelman? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Tenenbaum.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question  mider  the  rights 
ffranted  to  me  by  the  first  and  fifth  amendments  of  the  Constitution. 

Mr.  jSTittle.  Xo  further  questions,  Mr.  Chairman. 

The  CiiAiRMAX.  All  right.     The  witness  is  excused. 

i\Ir.  Tenenbaum.  May  I  leave  this  statement  with  the  committee? 

The  Chairman.  Yes,  please. 

Call  the  next  witness. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Regina  Sokol. 

Mr.  Day.  i\Ir.  Chairman,  will  it  be  all  right  if  Mrs.  Sokol  sits  to  my 
right  ?    She  has  a  hearing  difficulty. 

The  Chairman.  Certainly.    Eaise  your  right  hand,  Mrs.  Sokol. 

"Will  you  stand  up  and  raise  your  right  hand  ? 

Do  you  swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth, 
the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God? 

]Mrs.  Sokol.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  EEGINA  SOKOL,  ACCOMPANIED  EY  COUNSEL, 

JACK  G.  DAY 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  name,  please. 

Mrs.  Sokol.  Regina  Sokol. 

Mr.  Xittle.  When  were  vou  bom  and  where  ? 

Mrs.  Sokol.  May  26, 1917,  Cleveland,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  do  you  presently  reside  ? 

Mrs.  Sokol.  3457  Westbury  Road,  Shaker  Heights,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  How  long  have  you  resided  in  Cleveland  ? 

Mrs.  Sokol.  All  my  life. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  have  a  residence  elsewhere  for  any  period  of 
time  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments  to  the  Constitution  of  the  United  States. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  just  said  you  lived  in  Cleveland  all  your  life.  Now 
when  I  asked  you  whether  you  lived  elsewhere  you  now  invoke  the 
fifth  amendment.   Do  you  ? 

The  CHAiR:NrAN.  Ask  another  question. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Sokol,  are  you  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party? 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  basis  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendment  to  the  United  States  Constitution. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  put  it  to  you  as  a  fact  that  you  are  at  this  moment  a 
member  of  the  Communist  Party.  Will  you  deny,  affirm  or  explain 
that  assertion  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  Sokol.  I  decline  to  answer  on  the  basis  of  the  first  and  fifth 
amendment  to  tlie  United  States  Constitution. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  Mrs.  Julia  Brown  ? 

Mrs.  Sokol.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments  to  the  Constitution  of  the  United  States. 


1152  CORIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN"   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

The  Chairman.  All  right.  Mr.  Nittle,  it  is  obvious  that  this  woman 
isn't  going  to  testify. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Are  you  presently  teaching  school  ? 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments  to  the  Constitution  of  the  United  States. 

Mr.  Nittle.  You  are  a  teacher  at  Westwood  School  in  Cleveland, 
Ohio.     Is  that  correct  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments  to  the  Constitution  of  the  United  States. 

The  Chairman.  I  direct  you  to  answer  that  question. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments  to  the  United  States  Constitution. 

The  Chairman.  Do  you  honestly  feel  that  if  you  answer  the  ques- 
tion of  whether  or  not  you  are  teaching  in  a  particular  school  you 
might  be  subjected  to  a  criminal  prosecution  ? 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
fifth  amendment. 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Mrs.  Sokol,  I  state  as  a  fact  that  you  were  in  your 
younger  days  the  Ohio  State  administrative  secretary  of  the  Young 
Communist  League  and  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party. 

Will  you  affirm  or  deny  that  fact  ? 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendments  to  the  Constitution  of  the  United  States. 

Mr.  Nittle.  You  have  been  known  by  various  names,  among  others 
by  the  name  of  Eena  Farrell.     Have  you  not  ? 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  under  the  first  and 
fifth  amendments  to  the  Constitution. 

(Mr.  Johansen  entered  the  hearing  room.) 

(Mr.  Schadeberg  left  the  hearing  room.) 

Mr.  Nittle.  How  long  have  you  been  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party? 

Mrs.  SoKOL.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  basis  of  the 
first  and  fifth  amendment  to  the  United  States  Constitution. 

Mr.  Nittle.  No  further  questions. 

It  is  quite  obvious,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  this  witness  will  not  respond. 

The  Chairman.  Yes.     Did  you  identify  her  lawyer's  name? 

Mr.  Nittle.  I  don't  think  I  did. 

Mr.  Day.  No,  sir.  I  think  you  did  not.  My  name  is  Jack  G. 
Day.  I  am  attorney  in  Cleveland,  Ohio,  with  offices  at  1748  Stand- 
ard Building,  Cleveland.     Mr.  Chairman,  is  the  witness  excused  now  ? 

The  Chairman.  Yes,  the  witness  is  excused. 

Call  the  next  witness. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Elsie  Tarcai,  would  you  please  come  forward. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  your  riglit  hand,  please?  Do  you 
swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth,  the  whole 
truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  do. 


C0]\OrUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1153 

TESTIMONY  OF  ELSIE  E.  TAKCAI,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FORER 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Will  you  state  your  name  for  the  record,  please. 

Miss  Tarcai.  Elsie  R.  Tarcai^ 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  see  you  are  represented  by  counsel.  Will  counsel 
identify  himself  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  FoRER.  Joseph  Forer,  711  14th  Street  NW.,  Washington,  D.C. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  were  you  born,  Mrs.  Tarcai  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  am  Miss  Tarcai. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  are  Miss  Tarcai  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  Yes. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  "Wliere  were  you  born  and  when  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  was  born  in  Budapest,  Hungary,  May  9,  1909. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  presently  a  citizen  of  the  United  States? 

Miss  Tarcai.  Yes,  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  is  your  occupation? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  am  an  attorney. 

]\lr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  as  of  this  moment  a  member  of  the  Communist 
Party  of  the  United  States? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  do  not  think  that  question  is  pertinent.  This  com- 
mittee does  not  have  any  right  to  inquire  into  my  political  beliefs 
under  the  first  amendment,  and  I  claim  the  privilege  of  the  fifth 
amendment. 

The  Chairman.  By  that  you  mean  that  you  decline  to  answer  the 
question  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  Under  the  first  and  fifth  amendments. 

The  Chairman.  All  right. 

Miss  Tarcai.  Of  the  Constitution  of  the  United  States. 

The  Chairman.  Go  ahead. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Bruce  entered  the  hearing  room.) 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  Mrs.  Julia  Brown  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  To  the  best  of  my  recollection,  I  do  not. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  will  ask  Mrs.  Brown  to  come  forward,  please. 

Mrs.  Julia  Brown,  would  you  come  forward  ? 

The  Chairman.  Just  stand  up.     That  is  all  right. 

Do  you  know  that  lady? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  do  not  say  with  certainty  that  I  do. 

The  Chairman.  All  right, 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  do  not  deny  knowing  her? 

jSIiss  Tarcai.  I  think  I  answered  that  question  to  the  best  of  my 
ability. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  in  1942  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  think  that  is  a  loaded  question.  I  have  not  admitted 
membership. 

Mr.  Johansen.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  ask  that  the  witness  be  directed  to 
answer  the  question,  whether  it  is  loaded  or  not. 

The  Chairman.  Yes.     It  is  a  very  direct  question. 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  refuse  to  answer  under  the  first  and  fifth  amend- 
ments. 

The  Chairman.  All  right.  Mr.  Nittle,  it  is  obvious  that  this  witness 
is  not  going  to  testify  to  anything.  I  suggest  that  you  call  another 
witness. 


1154  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Violet  Tarcai. 

The  Chairman.  Will  you  raise  you  right  hand? 
Do  you  swear  the  testimony  you  are  about  to  give  will  be  the  truth, 
the  whole  truth,  and  nothing  Jbut  the  truth,  so  help  you  God? 
Miss  Tarcai.  I  do. 

TESTIMONY  OF  VIOLET  J.  TARCAI,  ACCOMPANTEI)  BY  COUNSEL, 

JOSEPH  FORER 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  name  for  the  record,  please? 

Miss  Tarcai.  Violet  J.  Tarcai. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  you  are  represented  by  counsel? 

Miss  Tarcai.  Yes,  I  am. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  counsel  identify  himself  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  FoRER.  Joseph  Forer. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Will  you  state  the  date  and  place  of  your  birth.  Miss 
Tarcai? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  was  born  November  1,  1916,  in  Chicago,  111. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  "Where  do  you  presently  reside? 

Miss  Tarcai.  2929  East  Overlook  Koad,  Cleveland  Heights  18, 
Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Wliat  is  your  occupation? 

Miss  Tarcai,  I  am  an  attorney. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  To  what  bars  are  you  admitted  to  practice? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  am  admitted  to  practice  with  the  Cleveland  Bar 
Association ;  the  Cuyahoga  Bar  Association.    I  am  sorry. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Wliere  do  you  maintain  your  offices  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  operate  through  my  home. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  a  member  of  the  National  Lawyers  Guild  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  Yes,  I  am  a  member  of  the  National  Lawyers  Guild. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  Imow  Mrs.  Julia  Brown  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  To  the  best  of  my  recollection,  I  have  never  seen  Mrs. 
Brown  up  until  yesterday  in  the  committee  room.  I  believe  that  I 
did  not  ever  meet  her. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  will  ask  Mrs.  Brown  to  stand. 

Do  you  recognize  the  lady  who  has  just  stood,  whom  we  identified 
as  Mrs.  Julia  Brown  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  do  not  know  her. 

The  Chairman.  Are  you  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  refuse  to  answer  that  question. 

I  believe  my  political  beliefs  are  my  own  business  and  this  commit- 
tee has  no  right  to  interrogate  me  on  such  matters. 

The  Chairman.  For  what  reason  do  you  decline  to  answer  ? 

Miss  Tarcal.  I  refuse  to  answer  on  the  ground  of  the  first  amend- 
ment. My  political  beliefs  are  my  own  business  and  I  refuse  to  answer 
on  the  grounds  of  the  fifth  amendment. 

The  Chairman,  Have  you  ever  been  a  Communist  ? 

Miss  Tarcai.  I  would  refuse  to  answer  that  question  on  the  same 
grounds. 

The  Chairman.  This  witness  is  excused. 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,   AREA  1155 

The  Chairman.  Call  another  witness,  Mr.  Nittle. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Eugene  Bayer. 

Mr.  FoRER.  He  is  the  one  for  this  afternoon. 

Mr.  XrrTLE.  What  time  will  you  have  him  here? 

]\Ir.  FoRKR.  What  time  do  you  want  him  ? 

The  Chairman.  Is  he  the  last  witness  ? 

]SIr.  Nittle.  He  is  the  last  witness. 

The  Chairman.  Mr.  Forer,  you  and  I  have  an  understanding  about 
this.  You  have  him  at  the  committee  room  this  afternoon.  Is  there 
only  one  more  witness  ? 

Mr.  Nittle.  Yes. 

The  Chairman.  I  thought  there  were  two  more. 

Mr.  Nittle.  No,  sir;  he  is  the  last  one  for  public  session. 

The  Chairman.  You  have  your  witness  at  the  committee  room  when 
he  gets  in. 

Mr.  Forer.  I  am  pretty  sure  he  is  in  already.  He  was  due  in.  What 
time  did  you  want  him  there  ? 

The  Chairman.  I  would  say  2  o'clock. 

Mr.  Forer.  2  o'clock? 

The  Chairman.  Yes. 

Mr.  Forer.  Fine.    At  the  committee  room. 

The  Chairman.  Yes. 

This  public  session  is  recessed. 

(Whereupon,  at  12 :  05  p.m.,  Thursday,  June  7,  1962,  the  hearing 
was  recessed  to  reconvene  at  2  p.m.  the  same  day.) 

AFTERNOON  SESSION— THURSDAY,  JUNE  7,  1962 

The  subcommittee  reconvened  at  2  p.m.,  in  Room  226,  Old  House 
Office  Building,  Hon.  Clyde  Dojie,  of  California,  presidhig. 

Subcommittee  members  present:  Representatives  Doyle,  Johansen, 
and  Bruce. 

Committee  members  also  present :  Representative  Schacleberg. 

Staff  members  present:  Francis  J.  McNamara,  director;  Alfred  M. 
Nittle,  counsel ;  and  Neil  E.  Wetterman,  investigator. 

Mr,  Doyle.  Are  you  ready  to  be  sworn  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Will  you  raise  your  right  liand,  please. 

Do  you  solemnly  swear  to  tell  the  truth,  the  whole  truth,  and  nothing 
but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  do. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Let  the  record  show  a  quorum  of  the  subcommittee  is 
present  and,  while  this  is  theoretically  in  executive  session,  it  was 
really  called  in  this  manner,  as  you  probably  know,  Counsel,  as  an 
accommodation  to  Ijotli  the  connnittee  and  the  witness  and  his  counsel. 

Mr.  Rein.  ^Mr.  Forer  told  me  that. 

Mr.  Johansen.  This  is,  in  fact,  an  extension  of  the  public  liearings. 

Mr.  Doyle.  It  is  an  extension  of  the  public  hearings  because  ]\Ir. 
Bayer  wasn't  here  yet,  so  we  were  glad  to  accommodate  liim  and  his 
counsel  in  this  manner. 

Proceed,  Counsel. 


1156  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

TESTIMONY  OF  EUGENE  BAYER,  ACCOMPANIED  BY  COUNSEL, 

DAVID  REIN 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  full  name  for  the  record  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Yes,  sir.    Eugene  Bayer. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  represented  by  counsel  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Will  counsel  kindly  identify  himself  ? 

Mr.  Rein.  David  Eein,  R-e-i-n,  711  14th  Street  N.W.,  Washing- 
ton, D.C. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Where  and  when  were  you  born,  Mr.  Bayer  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Jmie  16, 1918,  Cleveland,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Have  you  resided  in  Cleveland,  Ohio,  since  your  birth 
there  to  the  present  time  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  AVhat  is  the  extent  of  your  formal  education  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  am  just  now  completing  my  formal  education  at 
college. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Will  you  state  the  schools  you  have  attended  in  the 
course  of  your  life  to  the  present  time  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Well,  I  graduated  from  the  public  schools  of  Cleveland, 
Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  year  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  In  1934,  graduated  from  high  school.  I  attended 
Western  Reserve  University  for  a  year  in  1934  and  I  attended  Ohio 
State  University. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  During  what  time  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  1935. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  When  did  you  attend  Ohio  State  University  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  1935.  Then  I  didn't  go  to  college  for  a  while  and 
then  I  entered  Cleveland  College  of  Western  Reserve  University, 
probably  in  the  late  thirties,  which  was  broken  by  my  entering  into 
the  service,  and  I  just  resumed  education  about  a  year  ago  when  I 
felt  I  wanted  to  get  my  degree  and  I  now  attend  Western  Reserve 
University,  Cleveland,  Ohio. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  'Wlien  did  you  enter  the  service  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  June  of  1943. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  how  long  did  you  remain  in  the  service  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Approximately  30  months. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  What  is  your  present  employment  or  occupation? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  am  a  tobacco  distributor,  sell  tobacco  wholesale. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Are  you  the  proprietor  and  sole  owner  of  the  Bayer 
Candy  &  Tobacco  Co.,  13912  Union  Street,  Cleveland  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  JNIy  wife  and  I. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  ]\Ir.  Bayer,  are  you  at  the  present  time  a  member  of 
the  Communist  Party? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Sir,  on  the  basis  of  the  privilege  granted  to  all  citizens 
by  the  Constitution  and  its  Bill  of  Rights,  which  guarantees  against 
any  intrusion  into  a  man's  beliefs  and  guarantees  to  each  person  the 
privilege  of  not  being  forced  to  testify  against  himself,  I  must  de- 
cline to  answer  that  question. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Mrs.  Julia  Brown,  who  was  a  witness  before  this  com- 
mittee, testified  that  she  knew  you  as  a  member  of  the  Communist 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,  AREA  1157 

Party  during  the  time  she  was  active  in  tliat  organization  between 
the  iy50's  and  1960,  and  until  tlie  time  she  left  the  party. 

Do  you  care  to  allirm  or  deny  her  testimony  or  to  oiler  any 
explanation  i 

Mr.  liAYEK.  No,  sir;  for  the  reasons  I  stated  I  must  refuse  to 
answer. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  Mr,  Chairman,  just  to  clarify  the  record,  the  witness 
says  he  must  refuse  to.  You  are  not  under  any  compulsion  to  do  it. 
Do  1  understand  you  mean  that  you  do  elect  to  decline  to  answer  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  Well,  sir,  you  nmst  understand  I  have  given  this  much 
thougiit.  When  I  say  "I  must,*"  it  is  a  form  of  the  word  "'elect." 
1  do  this  with  what  1  consider  my  necessary  interpretation  of  the 
Constitution  and  the  Bill  of  Eights.    I  elect. 

Mr.  JoHAxsEx.  You  are  decidmg  to  do  it,  not  under  compulsion? 

Mr.  Bayer.  No  outside  compulsion.    This  is  my  own  decision. 

Mr.  Doyle.  That  is  the  way  1  mterpreted  your  answer. 

Mr.  Bayer.  That  is  what  I  am  telling  myself  I  must  do;  not  an 
outside  force,  no,  sir. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Were  you  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  during 
the  year  1936? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  based  on  the  privilege 
I  enjoy  given  in  the  fifth  amendment  to  the  United  States  Constitution 
of  not  being  forced  to  testify  against  myself. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  David  Katz,  who  has  been  identified 
by  Mrs.  Brown  as  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party  and  a  very  active 
functionary  during  the  period  she  was  within  that  organization? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  same  reason. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Have  you  met  in  any  closed  Communist  Party  meetings 
with  David  Katz  at  any  time  during  your  residence  in  Cleveland  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  decline  for  the  reason  stated  to  answer  the  question. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Do  you  know  Don  Rothenberg  to  be  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  decline  to  answer  that  question  on  the  ground  I  pre- 
viously stated. 

Mr,  NinxE.  Do  you  know  Martin  Chancey  as  a  member  of  the 
Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  decline  to  answer  for  the  reasons  previously  stated. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  assert  as  a  fact  that  you  have  been  active  with  Mar- 
tin Chancey  and  associated  with  him  in  Communist  Party  activities  in 
the  Cleveland,  Ohio,  area.     Do  you  affirm  or  deny  that  assertion? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  decline  to  answer  based  on  my  rights  under  the  fifth 
amendment. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Do  I  understand.  Counsel,  that  you  asked  the  witness 
about  1936,  something  about  the  year  1936  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes,  sir.  I  inquired  whether  the  witness  was  a  mem- 
ber of  the  Communist  Party  during  the  year  1936  at  a  time  w^hen  he 
would  appear  to  be  18  years  old. 

j\lr,  Doyle,  I  thought  I  heard  those  years  and  if  you  were  in  the 
Communist  Party  when  you  were  18  years  old,  it  is  terrible,  a  young 
American  like  you  to  get  in  at  that  age.  I  am  not  going  to  lecture 
you.     Have  you  any  other  business  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Counsel  has  no  further  questions,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Committee  members  ? 


1158  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr,  Bruce,  Yes,  I  would  like  to  ask  a  question, 

Mr.  Bayer,  is  your  business  being  utilized  as  a  front  for  the  Com- 
munist Party  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  No,  sir, 

Mr,  Bruce,  Does  the  Communist  Party  have  any  direction  over  the 
affairs  or  operation  of  your  business  ? 

Mr,  Bayer,  No,  sir, 

Mr,  Bruce,  There  is  no  connection  between  your  business  enter- 
prise and  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr,  Bayer,  No,  sir, 

Mr.  Doyle,  Mr,  Schadeberg,  do  you  have  any  questions? 

Mr,  Schadeberg.  No  questions. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Mr.  Johansen  ? 

Mr.  Johansen.  No  questions. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  May  I  ask  two  more  questions  as  a  result  of  the 
inquiry  of  the  committee  member  ? 

Mr.  Doyle.  Yes. 

Mr.  Bayer.  ]\Iay  I  be  excused  for  a  moment  ? 

Mr.  Doyle.  Yes. 

(Witness  conferred  with  counsel.) 

Mr.  Johansen,  Is  there  a  pending  question  ? 

Mr.  Bruce.  The  counsel  has  a  question, 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  I  withdraw  my  request. 

Mr.  Johansen.  To  refresh  my  memory,  are  you  presently  a  mem- 
ber of  the  Communist  Party  ? 

Mr.  Bayer.  I  decline  to  answer  that,  sir,  because  of  the  constitu- 
tional provision  which  makes  such  an  inquiry  an  intrusion  and  the 
constitutional  protection  which  does  not  require  me  to  give  testimony 
on  that. 

Mr.  Johansen.  I  have  no  further  questions, 

Mr.  Doyle.  Any  other  questions.  Counsel  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  No,  sir. 

Mr.  Doyle.  You  are  excused.  Witness,  and  Mr.  Rein, 

Mr,  Bayer,  Thank  you. 

Mr.  NiTTLE,  Mr,  Wetterman  will  be  the  next  witness. 

Mr,  Doyle,  Do  you  solemnly  swear  you  will  tell  the  truth,  the 
whole  truth,  and  nothing  but  the  truth,  so  help  you  God  ? 

Mr,  Wetterman,  I  do, 

TESTIMONY  OF  NEIL  E.  WETTERMAN 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Would  you  state  your  name  for  the  record,  please  ? 
Mr.  Wetterman.  Neil  E.  Wetterman. 
Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  what  is  your  occupation  ? 


COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1159 

Mr.  Wetterman.  I  am  an  investigator  with  the  Conuiiittee  on  Un- 
American  Activities. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  And  you  have  been  employed  in  that  capacity  for  what 
period  of  time? 

JNlr.  Wettermax.  Since  December  5, 1960. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  You  were  in  the  Caucus  Room  on  Monday,  June  4, 
1962,  at  which  time  a  person  named  William  Henry  Cooper  was  called 
to  testify  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE,  Did  you  have  occasion  to  identify  him  prior  to  his  ap- 
pearance in  the  Caucus  Room  on  that  day  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  Yes.  We  had  testimony  from  Mrs.  Julia  Brown, 
and  also  statements  to  me  personally  from  Mr.  Cooper  during  a  trip  to 
Cleveland,  the  week  of  April  2,  1962. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Prior  to  April  2,  1962,  did  you  know  William  Henry 
Cooper  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  No,  I  did  not. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Will  you  tell  us  when  you  first  met  him  and  what  were 
the  circumstances  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  It  was  during  the  week  of  April  2, 1962.  I  was  in 
Cleveland,  Ohio,  on  routine  business  for  the  committee  and  had  de- 
cided to  call  on  the  William  Cooper  family,  basing  the  call  on  infor- 
mation that  Mr.  Cooper  might  possibly  be  a  cooperative  witness  for 
the  committee.  That  afternoon  I  spoke  with  Mrs.  Cooper  and  ques- 
tioned her  with  regard  to  Communist  activities  in  the  Cleveland  area. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Was  her  husband  at  home  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  No,  he  was  not  at  home.  He  was  at  work  during 
the  day.  Mrs.  Cooper  stated  that  she  had  been  a  member  of  the 
Progressive  Party.  On  further  questioning  with  regard  to  Commu- 
nist Party  activities,  she  appeared  rather  hazy  and  sort  of  reluctant 
to  make  any  comments.  I  returned  later  that  evening  when  Mr. 
Cooper  was  home  and  asked  him  similar  questions  of  his  party  ac- 
tivities, which  he  initially  denied.  On  the  presentation  of  various 
evidence  and  following  with  questions  on  pertinent  points  of  activity 
he  had  been  engaged  in,  he  finally  admitted  that  he  had  been  a  mem- 
ber of  the  Communist  Party  from  1944  until  the  mid-1950's. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  When  you  say  he  "finally  admitted"  Communist  Party 
membership,  will  you  state  for  the  record  what  the  conversation  was 
as  accurately  as  you  can  state  it  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  Well,  I  had  a  number  of  confidential  reports  of 
Mr.  Cooper's  activities,  and  I  informed  him  the  committee  had  re-' 
ceived  testimony  that  he  had  been  a  member  of  the  Communist  Party. 
Upon  presenting  him  with  that  information  he  finally  admitted  that 
lie  became  a  member  in  1944,  had  a  party  memberehip  card  in  the  late 
forties,  and  that  he  had  gotten  out  of  the  party  around  1955  or  1956  at 
the  time  of  the  Smith  Act  trials  in  Cleveland.  I  also  asked  Mr. 
Cooper  at  that  time  if  he  had  knowledge  of  Joe  Hill  and  Albert  Young 
and  if  he  had  been  active  in  Young's  political  campaign.  He  stated 
that  he  had  never  heard  of  them  before. 

Upon  his  admission  of  party  membership,  he  did  state  that  Frieda 
Katz  had  come  to  his  home  in  the  middle  fifties  when  he  was  attempt- 
ing to  get  out  of  the  party  and  had  told  him  that  he  should  remain  in 
the  party  because  it  was  an  organization  fighting  for  the  civil  rights 

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1160  COM]VIUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

of  Negroes  and  it  was  important  he  remain  a  member.  He  stated  to 
me  that  he  began  to  realize  he  was  being  used  by  the  Communist  Party 
and  that  it  was  not  for  the  civil  rights  of  the  Negro  people  and,  hence, 
his  gradual  disassociation.  I  told  Mr.  Cooper  that  it  might  be  neces- 
sary for  him  to  come  to  Washington  and  so  testify  and  he  finally 
agreed  to  do  so,  though  rather  reluctantly. 

My  next  contact  with  Mr.  Cooper  was  on  May  7, 1962,  when  I  called 
at  the  Cooper  residence,  again  in  the  afternoon,  and  Mr.  Cooper  was 
not  there.  I  talked  to  some  extent  with  Mrs.  Cooper  in  a  general  way, 
and  it  so  happened  that  her  daughter,  Winnie  Cruise,  was  there.  I 
asked  Mrs.  Cooper  if  I  could  talk  with  Winnie  Cruise  and  would  she 
leave  us  alone.  I  asked  Winnie  Cruise  how  long  it  had  been  since  she 
left  the  Communist  Party.  She  said  that  she  had  left  the  party  in 
the  latter  forties  or  early  fifties ;  she  didn't  recall. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  That  is  she  herself,  the  daughter  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  She,  Winnie  Cruise,  the  daughter.  I  asked  her 
if  it  was  not  a  fact  that  she  attended  a  Communist  Party  school  in  New 
York  City  and  she  said  yes,  she  had,  but  it  had  been  so  long  ago  she 
didn't  have  too  much  recollection.  She  said  that  she  had  been  quite 
ill  of  health  and,  as  a  result,  was  never  a  functionary  of  the  party. 
Those  are  her  exact  words.  She  stated  that  the  j)arty  only  wanted  peo- 
ple who  were  healthy  and  could  work  day  and  night  for  the  cause  and, 
therefore,  she  was  not  accepted  as  a  functionary  of  the  party  and  grad- 
ually withdrew  from  it. 

I  returned  that  evening,  and  Mr.  Cooper  was  there.  I  told  him  that 
we  would  like  to  have  him  in  Washington  to  testify  and  all  that  was 
necessary  for  him  to  do  was  to  tell  the  complete  truth  the  way  he  had 
told  it  to  me.  He  agreed  to  do  so  and  then  he  volunteered  the  infor- 
mation to  me  that  he  had  campaigned  for  Joe  Hill  and  Albert  Young. 
I  said  to  him,  "Well,  Mr.  Cooper,  the  last  time  I  was  at  your  home  you 
denied  that  you  even  knew  them,"  and  he  said,  "Oh,  yes,  I  campaigned 
for  them,"  and  he  also  told  me  that  he  knew  them  to  be  members  of 
the  Communist  Party.  He  stated  he  knew  Dave  Katz,  Frieda  Katz, 
the  Krchmareks,  and  other  lesser  leaders  of  the  Communist  Party 
and  that  he  would  cooperate  with  our  committee  in  giving  such  infor- 
mation. I  told  Mr.  Cooper  I  would  arrange  for  his  transportation  and 
would  meet  him  at  the  airport  on  Sunday,  June  3.  Arrangements  were 
made.  I  was  at  the  airport  on  June  3.  He  did  not  arrive  on  the  flight 
as  scheduled. 

Checking  with  the  airlines  I  discovered  he  had  canceled  his  reserva- 
tion and  arrived  on  a  9 :30  flight  the  day  prior.  I  did  not  see  Mr. 
Cooper  until  he  entered  the  hearing  room  on  Monday,  June  4. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Did  you  make  an  effort  to  determine  his  presence  or  the 
reason  why  he  had  not  appeared  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  Yes.  I  called  a  number  of  hotels,  taking  a  chance 
of  locating  him.  I  was  unable  to  do  so,  so  I  phoned  him  on  a  person- 
to-person  basis  in  Cleveland.  I  got  the  answer  that  he  was  in  Wash- 
ington, D.C. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  To  whom  did  you  speak  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  The  operator  was  speaking  with  Mrs.  Cooper,  and 
this  is  a  conversation  I  heard.  She  said  he  was  in  Washington,  D.C, 
and  since  we  were  not  able  to  get  a  definite  address  from  her  I  asked 


COIVIMUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN   THE   CLEVELAND,   OHIO,  AREA  1161 

to  speak  with  Mrs.  Cooper.  I  said  to  Mrs.  Cooper,  "What  has  hap- 
pened ?    I  did  not  meet  Mr.  Cooper  at  tlie  plane." 

She  said,  ''Oh,  he  was  very  anxious  not  to  be  late  and  he  decided  to 
come  up  one  day  earlier  and  he  was  going  to  get  in  touch  with  you 
the  minute  he  got  in  Washington."  Of  course,  I  never  did  hear  from 
Mr.  Cooper  at  any  time  on  Saturday  or  any  time  Sunday. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  When  was  the  first  time  you  saw  or  heard  from  him  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  You  mean  after  my  meeting  with  him  on  May  7  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  Yes. 

Mr.  Wetterman.  Well,  the  first  time  following  that  date,  I  saw 
him  when  he  entered  the  hearing  room  on  Monday  morning,  June  4, 
in  company  with  his  attorney. 

Mr.  Johansen.  In  other  words,  the  third  time  you  saw  him  there- 
after was  when  lie  entered  the  hearing  room  in  the  company  of 
counsel  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  To  the  committee  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  That  is  correct.  I  would  just  like  to  add  this  on 
the  record.  I  came  to  know  the  Cooper  family  pretty  well  and,  based 
on  the  conversations  with  Mr.  Cooper  and  his  attitude  with  regard 
to  the  subject  at  hand,  I  had  every  confidence  in  the  w^orld  that  Mr. 
Cooper  was  going  to  be  a  cooperative  witness,  and  certainly  nothing 
could  have  changed  that  other  than  fear  or  intimidation.  I  still  feel 
that  Mr.  Cooper  is  going  to  reconsider  and  that  he  will  come  before 
this  committee  at  some  later  date  and  be  willing  to  cooperate.  I 
have  that  confidence  in  him. 

Mr.  ScHADEBERG.  Is  it  your  opinion  that  Mr.  Cooper  was  contacted 
by  some  one  up  in  Cleveland,  or  after  he  got  to  Washington  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  It  is  my  definite  opinion  that  Mr.  Cooper  was 
contacted  by  some  member  of  the  Communist  Party  following  the 
appearance  of  his  name  in  the  Cleveland  Press.  We  know  for  a  fact 
that  another  party  whose  name  appeared  in  the  newspaper  article 
was  contacted  by  Dave  and  Frieda  Katz  and  urged  to  appear  with 
counsel, 

Mr.  Johansen.  And  would  you  feel  that  his  arrival  in  Washington 
ahead  of  the  time  that  he  had  scheduled  with  you  was  the  result  of 
that  contact  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  I  would  certainly  think  so  because  Mr.  Cooper 
would  never  have  arranged  that  day-early  arrival  on  his  own.  I  am 
quite  sure  of  that. 

Mr.  Schadeberg.  You  feel  that  there  was  some  matter  of  threat  ? . 

Mr.  Wetterman.  I  think  there  was  either  fear  or  intimidation. 

Mr.  Nittle.  Did  you  have  any  discussions  with  Mr.  Cooper  relating 
to  his  financial  ability  to  appear  here  as  a  witness  when  you  talked  to 
him? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  Yes,  I  did.  I  asked  him  if  he  had  sufficient  money 
until  such  time  as  he  would  be  reimbursed.  He  said  no,  that  he  had 
very  little  money,  and  I  asked  him  if  he  could  raise  about  $20,  which 
would  cover  him  for  his  hotel  one  night  and  meals,  and  I  would  see 
that  he  had  his  transportation  in  advance.  Of  course,  when  he  came 
a  night  earlier  that  meant  a  couple  of  nights  here,  and  I  don't  know 
how  he  financed  it  unless  he  was  given  money  from  another  source. 


1162  COMMUNIST  ACTIVITIES   IN   THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA 

Mr.  Doyle.  Mr.  Speiser  stated,  did  he  not,  that  he  was  there  for 
the  American  Civil  Liberties  Union  ? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  Yes. 

Mr.  Doyle.  And  did  not  Mr.  Scherer  ask  if  he  had  any  offices  other 
than  the  office  he  related,  the  American  Civil  Liberties  Union,  and 
didn't  Speiser  answer  no  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  That  is  in  the  record,  Mr.  Doyle. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Is  it  not  a  fact  that  these  other  witnesses  from  Cleve- 
land, with  certain  exceptions  all  had  attorneys  from  the  American 
Civil  Liberties  Union. 

Mr.  Wetterman.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Doyle.  So  that  they  made  the  arrangement  either  at  Cleveland 
or  in  some  way  so  that  the  Civil  Liberties  Union  office  in  Washington 
provided  volunteer  attorneys  for  all  these  other  Cleveland  witnesses 
excepting,  I  think,  those  represented  by  Mr.  Forer,  the  attorney  for 
the  Communist  Party.     Is  that  not  true  ? 

Mr.  McNamara.  Sir.  Forer  was  counsel  for  a  good  many  of  them. 
I  have  forgotten  the  exact  count  now. 

Mr.  Doyle.  Have  you  any  other  questions.  Counsel,  or  committee 
members  ? 

Mr.  JoHANSEN".  Mr.  Wetterman,  am  I  correct  in  the  impression 
that  the  problem  which  was  encountered  with  respect  to  Mr.  Cooper 
gives  validity  to  the  feeling  that  the  work  of  this  committee  is  im- 
peded when,  as  was  evidently  the  situation  in  this  case,  there  is  a 
leak  and  disclosure  of  the  identity  of  witnesses  who  have  been  or  are 
to  be  subpenaed  before  the  committee  ? 

Mr.  Weti'erman.  That  is  most  definitely  a  true  statement.  With- 
out a  doubt  the  leaking  of  the  names  to  the  press  by  someone  outside 
the  committee  prevented  us  from  having  a  witness  to  corroborate  the 
testimony  of  Mrs.  Julia  Brown.  The  loss  of  this  witness,  I  would 
say,  did  irrevocable  damage  to  this  particular  investigation. 

Mr.  Johansen.  And  yet  these  disclosures  have  been  twisted  and 
distorted  by  witnesses  before  the  committee  and  cast  in  the  light  of 
being  an  effort  on  the  part  of  this  committee  to  injure  and  violate  the 
rights  of  the  subpenaed  witnesses  ?  Isn't  it  true  that  the  exact  oppo- 
site is  true,  that  the  work  of  the  committee  itself  is  hampered  and  that 
it  would  be  self-defeating  for  this  sort  of  thing  to  be  engineered  or 
planned  by  the  committee  ? 

Mr.  Doyle.  It  also  was  apparently  a  deliberate  interference  with 
the  procedure  of  the  committee. 

Mr.  Wetterman.  Such  a  leak  would  benefit  the  Communist  Party, 
because  they  can  contact  these  witnesses  in  advance  and  use  the  fact  of 
the  names  being  released  as  a  propaganda  move  against  the  committee. 

Mr.  Schadeberg.  Is  there  some  prospect  that  if  any  of  the  Commu- 
nist group  had  received  a  subpena  he  would  report  back  naturally 
and  contact  all  of  their  membership  or  the  contacts  they  have  and  ask 
them? 

Mr.  WETTERMAisr.  I  would  think  that  all  of  the  members  of  the 
party  who  did  not  intend  to  come  up  and  cooperate  with  the  com- 
mittee would,  in  one  way  or  another,  get  in  touch  with  one  another 
following  the  release  of  names,  but  with  respect  to  any  cooperative 
witness,  it  would  be  the  last  move  that  person  would  make. 


COIVOrUNIST  ACTIVITIES  IN  THE   CLEVELAND,    OHIO,   AREA  1163 

Mr.  ScHADEBERG.  The  party  may  not  know  who  is  going  to  be  co- 
operative or  not. 

Mr.  Bruce.  They  find  out  about  it. 

Mr.  "Wetterman.  They  find  out  in  a  hurry. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  Did  not  Mr.  Frank  Wilkinson,  in  an  interview  that 
was  recorded  and  inchided  in  the  House  document  on  the  film  "Opera- 
tion Abolition,"  make  a  statement  that  one  of  his  assigned  duties  was 
to  contact  persons  who  were  being  subpenaed  by  the  committee? 

Mr.  Wetterman.  That  is  correct,  and  Frank  Wilkinson  was  also 
in  Cleveland,  Ohio,  on  May  18  for  that  very  purpose  and  held  a  meet- 
ing with  individuals  who  were  subpenaed. 

Mr.  JoiiANSEX.  And  also  I  might  say,  according  to  the  information 
that  came  to  me,  he  appeared  for  an  interview  on  a  television  station  in 
Cleveland  because  the  newsman  for  that  station  called  me  and  asked 
me  to  comment  on  Mr.  Wilkinson's  statement. 

Mr.  Bruce.  I  was  also  called  for  a  comment. 

Mr.  JoHANSEN.  Which  I  might  say  I  declined  to  do. 

(At  this  point  Mr.  Bruce  left  the  hearing  room.) 

Mr.  Doyx,e.  I  think  the  evidence  here  today  clearly  shows  the  perti- 
nence and  propriety  of  jNIr.  Walter,  as  chairman  of  our  committee,  hav- 
ing promptly  sent  to  the  Attorney  General  of  the  United  States  a  letter 
asking  their  immediate  and  full  investigation  and  prosecution,  if 
the  person  or  persons  who  made  the  leak  were  ascertained,  on  the 
grounds  that  it  clearly  is  an  interference  and  tampering  with  the  wit- 
ness mider  subpena  from  this  committee  and  a  definite  hindrance  to 
our  conunittee  functioning,  as  stated  by  the  witness  today.  Any  other 
questions  ? 

Mr.  NiTTLE.  No,  sir. 

Mr.  Doyle.  If  not,  the  committee  will  stand  in  adjournment. 

(Whereupon,  at  3 :20  p.m.,  Thursday,  June  7,  1962,  the  committee 
was  recessed  subject  to  call  of  the  Chair.) 


INDEX 

Individuals 

A 

Page 

Abernathy,  Mamie  (Mrs.  Foster  McCurdy) 998,  1002,  1030,  1061 

Ambatielos,    Tony 1113 

B 

Bass,  Charlotta  A 1025, 1055 

Bayer,  Eugene 998,  1002,  1003,  1133,  1134,  1140,  1155,  1156-1158  (testimony) 

Begun,    Isadore 1100 

Berry,  Abner  W 1046 

Bethencourt,   Albert 1067 

Bethencourt,  Lucille   (Mrs.  Albert  Betbencourt) 1067 

Black,    Nona 1068, 1069 

Brown,  Julia  C 989,  990,  993-1012  (testimony),  1015,  1016-1069  (testimony), 

1071-1076,  1078,  1083-1086,  1088,  1089-1109  (testimony),  1110, 
1112,  1115,  1118,  1131,  1135,  1138,  1141,  1143,  1148,  1150,  1151, 
1153,  1154,  1156,  1159. 

Brown,  Roland 1008 

Brownlee,  Oscar 1056 

Brudno,  Eugene 998,  1002,  1106,  1141 

O 

Caldwell,  Jimmy  Lee 1031,  1032 

Caldwell,  Mrs.  Jimmy  Lee 1031 

Careathers,   Benjamin   S 1034,  1037,  1038 

Chaka,  Betty  (Mrs.  Edward  Chaka  ;  alias  Jean  E.  Horner) 1092 

Chaka,  Edward  (alias  John  Horner) 1093, 1106 

Chancey,   Martin 1051, 1052, 1058, 1096, 1106, 1119-1131  (testimony),  1157 

Chancey,  Sally  (also  known  as  Sadie;  Mrs.  Martin  Chancey) 1051, 

10.52,  1058,  1096,  1106 

Childress,   Alice 1025 

Clark,  Sally 1093 

Clark,  Tom  C 1083 

Cooper,  Clement  Theodore 1143 

Cooper,  Elizabeth  (Mrs.  William  Henry  Cooper) 994,996-998,1159-1161 

Cooper,  William  Henry 990, 

994,  996-998,  1000,  1004,  1008,  1010,  1012,  1013-1015  (testimony), 

1016,  1026,  1027,  1056,  1159-1161. 

Cooper,  Winnie  Cruise 1160 

Crater,  Robert  (W.) 1053 

Cvetic,   Matthew 998,  999, 103$ 

D 

Davis,  Benjamin  J.,  Jr 1001, 1002, 1146 

Day,  Jack  G 1151, 1152 

Decavitch,  Victor 1045 

Decker,  Robert 1035, 1036, 1048 

DeLacy,  Hester  Sondergaard.     {See  Sondergaard,  Hester.) 

DeLacy,  Hugh 1006,  1007,  1108,  1140,  1147 

Delaney,  Thomas  F 995 

Dennis,    Myrtle    (Mrs.    Raymond    Dennis)  __  989,  997,  999, 1002, 1005,  1007, 1017- 

1019, 1030, 1031, 1033-1035, 1037, 1044, 1074, 1106, 1108 

i 


li  INDEX 

Page 

Dennis,  Raymond   (Ray) 997,999,1044 

Dickerson,    Angle , 1031, 1042 

Dolsen,  James   (H.) 998 

Dougher,  Florence  (Mrs.  Joe  Dougher) 1067 

Dougher,    Joe 1067, 1068 

E 
Eleff,    Abraham 1057 

Elliott,  Willis  E.  (Rev.  Dr.) 1052,1053 

Emmer,    Jack 998, 1003, 1140 

Emmer,  Ruth  (Mrs.  Jack  Emmer)   (nee  Bayer) 998, 

1002, 1003, 1133, 1139-1143  (testimony),  1150 

F 
Farrell,  Rena.     (See  Sokol,  Regina.) 

Forer,  Joseph 1063,  1077,  1084,  1109,  1114,  1117,  1119,  1134, 

1153-1155, 1162 

Fortson,  Oscar 993 

Foster,  William  Z 1100 

Furry,  Thelma  C 1112 

G 

Gaines,  Edith 1094 

Gaines,  Lloyd 1094 

Gardner,  Fred 1044, 1045, 1047 

Gardner,  Lee  (Mrs.  Fred  Gardner) 1044 

Garfield,  David  W.    (also  known  as  Paul  Stone,   Frank  Williams,  and 

"John") 1050 

Gates,  John  (W.)   (alias  Irving  Regenstreif) 1062 

Gerson,  Simon  W 1100 

Gisser,    Libby 1049, 1066 

Golden,  Hamp  L 1038 

Goodman,  Ethel  L.  (Mrs.  Lew  Jennings) 1044, 

1048,  1061,  1062,  1065-1069,  1069-1073  (testimony), 1074,  1096,  1106 

Graham,  Shirley  (Mrs.  W.  E.  B.  Dubois) 1025 

Grayson,  Josephine 1025 

Greenfield,  Elvador  C 1034, 1035, 1100 

Grubbs,  Carlos 1049 

Grubbs,  Vivian  (Mrs.  Carlos  Grubbs;  nee  Washington) 1049 

Guukel,  Robert 1124 

H 

Haber,   Bill 1034, 1035, 1057 

Halamak,  Anton   (Anthony) 1049 

Hall,  Elizabeth  (Mrs.  Gus  Hall) 1078,1135 

Hall,  Gus  (alias  for  Arva  Halberg) 992,1078,1128,1135 

Hallinan,   Vincent 1055 

Hallinan,  Vivian  (Mrs.  Vincent  Hallinan) 1055 

Handelman,  Samuel  (Sam) 1033, 1034,  1106,  1108,  1109-1114  (testimony),  1151 

Hardin,    Mel 1028, 1029 

Hardin,  Virginia  (Mrs.  Mel  Hardin) 1029 

Harmon,    John 1086 

Harris,  Freida 1040 

Hashmall,  Frank 1049,  10.50 

Haug,  Fred 1045, 1061 

Haug,  Marie  Reed  (Mrs.  Fred  Haug) 1045,  1061,  1075,  110&-1108,  1112 

Heller,  Norman 1134,  1136 

Herbert,  Thomas  J 1110 

Hight.  Carlotta  Ruf us.     ( See  Ruf us,  Carlotta. ) 

Hill,  Joe 994-996,  1015,  1159,  1160 

Hirshberg,  Herbert 1045 

Hood,  William  R 1046 

Hoover,  J.  Edgar 1102 

Himton,  Dorothy 1025 

Hybloom,  Morris 1057 


INDEX  iii 

J 

Page 

Jackson,   James 10{i(; 

Jackson,  James  E 1028,  lOGG 

Janowitz,  John  Edward 1051, 1057, 1130 

Jennings,  Etliel  L.  Goodman.     (See  Goodman,  Ethel  L.) 

Jennings,  Lew 1048 

K 
Kahn,  Mr 1012 

Kamen,  Joseph 1057 

Kamen,  Norma  Shedroff  (Mrs.  Joseph  Kamen).     (See  Shedroff,  Norma.) 

Kaplan.  Louis  L.   (Lou) 905,1015 

Katz,  David 907,  909, 1074, 1085, 1096, 1106, 1157, 1160, 1161 

Katz,  Frieda  (Mrs.  Dave  Katz).     (See  Zucker,  Frieda.) 

Khrushchev,   Nikita   Sergeevich 1062, 1063, 1068 

Kllpatrick,    Admiral 1050, 1063-1065, 1067, 1068 

Krause,  Joseph 1050 

Krause,  Mildred   (Mrs.  Joseph  Krause) 1050 

Krehmarek,  Anthony   (also  known  as  Mike  Meadows) 097,008,1000, 

1026-1028,  1064,  1090-1092,  1096,  1 106,  1160 
Krehmarek,  Jean    (Mrs.  Anthony  Krehmarek) 907,908,1000, 

1005,  1028,  1035,  1064,  1077-1078   (testimony),  1090-1093,  1095,  1006, 

1103,  1106,  1160. 

Kreitner,  Frida  (nee  Smith) 1005, 1006, 1020, 1061, 1062, 1081, 

1117-1119  (testimony) 

Kreitner,   Morris 1005, 1061, 1081 

Kres,  Cheda  (Mrs.  Joseph  Kres) 1050 

Kres,  Joseph  (Joe) 1050 

L 

Land,  Jerome 1110, 1151 

Land,   Yetta 1008, 1000, 1034, 1040, 1050, 1110,  1151 

Lawson,  Sonora  B 1025-1029 

Lend,  Ruth 1051, 1064, 1093 

Lenin,  V.  I.    (alias  for  Vladimir  Il'ich  Ul'ianov ;  also  known  as  Nikolai 

Lenin) 1089, 1096, 1100, 1103, 1105 

Levin,  Pearl  K.  (Mrs.  Sak  Levin) 998,1002,1096,1141 

Levin,  Sak 998,  1002 

Livingstone,  Blanche  (Mrs.  William  A.  Livingstone) 1010,1050 

Livingstone,  William  A 1050, 1051 

Lumer,  Edith  (Mrs.  Hyman  Lumer) 997,999,1049,1061 

Lumer,  Hyman  (alias  Robert  Harold  Meyers) 007,999,1000 

M 

MagMowitz,  Ann 998, 1000 

Mallard,  Amy 1025 

Markward,  Mary  Stalcup 1052 

Marx,  Karl 1039 

McCastle,  Catherine 908, 1000, 1008 

McCurdy,    Foster 998,  1002 

McCurdy,  Mamie.     (See  Abernathy,  Mamie;  Mrs.  Foster  McCurdy.) 

McGee,    Rosalie 1025 

McMillan,  James 1018 

McMillan,  Sarah  Roberts.     ( See  Roberts,  Sarah  ;  Mrs.  James  McMillan. ) 

Mehrl,  Emma  (Mrs.  Fred  Mehrl) 1066 

Mehrl,    Fred 1066 

Mitchell,  Bessie 1025 

Mitchell,  Hortense  (Mrs.  Melbourne  Mitchell) 1036,10.37 

Mitchell,  John  C 1130 

Mitchell,   Melbourne 1036,   1037 

Moore 1030,  1040,  1041 

Morillas,  Sally  Winters.     (See  Winters,  Sally.) 

Moss,   Paul 1008 

N 
Nelson,  Steve 1137 


iV  INDEX 

O 

Page 

O'Neal,  Fred 1031,  1032,  1093 

O'Neal,  Laura  (Mrs.  Fred  O'Neal) 1032,1093 


Patterson,  Louise  Thompson  (Mrs.  William  L.  Patterson).  1019,  1025,  1029,  1038 

Patterson,  William  Lorenzo 1019, 1029 

Petraus,  Joe 1066 

Probst,  Mae 1059 

R 
Raffick,  Sadie 1030 

Rautio,  Martha   (Mrs.  Uno  Rautio) 1051 

Rautio,  Uno 1051 

Redden,   Jack 1139 

Rein,  David 1156 

Richardson,    Beulah 1019, 1021, 1025, 1029, 1031 

Roberts,  Sarah   (Mrs.  James  McMillan) 1017,1018,1030,1031,1035 

Robeson,  Eslauda  Goode  (Mrs.  Paul  Robeson,  Sr.) 1025 

Robeson,  Paul,  Sr 1055, 1056, 1108, 1147, 1148 

Romig,  Florence 1048 

Rosenberg,  Ethel   (Mrs.  Julius  Rosenberg,  nee  Greenglass) 1142 

Rosenberg,   Julius 1142 

Rothenberg,  Donald  (Don) 1005,  1006, 1009-1011,  1035, 1036, 1045,  1074, 1107, 

1108, 1112, 1157 

Rothenberg,  Mildred   (Mrs.  Donald  Rothenberg) 1074 

Rufus,  Carlotta 1044,  1048,  1061 

S 
Saferstein,  Sanford 998, 1002, 1106 

Saferstein,  Shirley  (Mrs.  Sanford  Saferstein) 998,1002,1106 

Shanks,    Hershel 1073 

Shedroff,   Norma    (Mrs.   Joseph  Kamen) 1057 

Shepard,  Paul  J 1051, 1110 

Siegel,   Henry   R 1058 

Slagle,  La  Verne 1123 

Sloan,  David  E 1069 

Smid,  James 1042,  1051,  1074,  1106,  1114-1117  (testimony),  1122 

Smith,  Frida.     (See  Kreitner,  Frida.) 

Sobell,  Helen  (Mrs.  Morton  Sobell) 1142,1150 

Sobell,   Morton 1142 

Sokol,  Regina__  998, 1000, 1001, 1096, 1106, 1133, 1140, 1141, 1151-1152  (testimony) 

Sondergaard,  Hester   (Mrs.  Hugh  De  Lacy) 1007,1032 

Speiser,     Lawrence 1013, 1014, 1162 

Spencer,    Harry   A 1093, 1094 

Stalin,  Josef    (losif  Vissarionovich  Dzhugashvili) 992,1039,1063,1068 

Statten,    Hugh 1028, 1029, 1093 

Strauss,  Abe 997-999,  1085,  1134,  1136-1139  (testimony) 

Strauss,  Sylvia  (Mrs.  Abe  Strauss) 995- 

1000,   1002,   1004,  1007-1009,   1016,   1019,   1035,   1049,   1051,  1057, 
1059,  1060,  1062,  1064,  1134-1136   (testimony),  1137. 
Strunk,  Arthur  Paul 995, 1130 

T 

Tarcai,  Elsie  R 1059, 1074, 1108, 1111, 1112, 1133, 1140, 1152, 1153-1154  (testi- 
mony). 

Tarcai,  Violet  J 1059, 1112, 1133, 1154  (testimony). 

Taylor,  Pauline 1018,  1019,  1025,  1029,  1078-1083  (testimony),  1108,  1109 

Tenenbaum,  Bertha  (Mrs.  Milton  Tenenbaum)__  1008,  1009,  1034,  1040,  1059,  1106 

Tenenbaum,  Milton 1008,  1009,  1034,  1040,  1059,  1106,  1133,  1142,  1143- 

1151  (testimony). 

Thomas,   Henry 1122 

Thomas,   Myron 1059 

Thompson,  Louise.    {See  Patterson,  Louise  Thompson.) 


INDEX  V 

Pas© 

Till,     (  Knimett) 10  Ii:,  1013 

Tomsik,  George 1059,'  1060 

Truman,  Harry  S 1010 

Truth,  Sojouruer 1022,  1024,  1025,  1037 

Tubmau,  Harriet 1019,  1021,  1022,  1024,  1025 

Turner,  Mary 1034,  1035 

W 

Wallace,  Henry  A 1006,  1009 

Washington,  Bertram  A.  (Bert) 998,  1044,  1048,  1019,  1061,  1093,  1103 

Weinstock,  Louis 1046 

Wells,  James 1035,  1066,  1067,  1086-1089  (testimony),  1097 

Wettermau,  Neil  E 1027,  1101,  1158-1163  (testimony) 

Wherry,  Margaret  (Mrs.  Robert  Wherry) 990,996-999,1002,1007, 

1017-1019, 1029-1031, 1035, 1044, 1048, 1059, 1073-1076  (testimony) 

1106-1108,  1112,  1117. 

Wherry,  Robert 1019 

Whitbeck,  Pauline 1008 

Wilkins,    Roy 1047 

Wilkinson,    Frank 1163 

Williams,    Bob 1065, 1066 

Williams,  Esther  (Mrs.  George  Williams) 1065 

Williams,  Frances 1025 

Williams,  George 1065 

Winters,  Sally  (Sally  Winters  Morillas) 1057,1096 

Wnewrosphsky,  Peter.      (See  Wnorowski,  Peter.) 

Wnorowski,  Peter  (also  spelled  Wnewrosphsky  in  some  instances) 1056, 1057 

Y 

Young,    Albert 989,  994-996, 1159, 1160 

Young,  Coleman  A 1060 

Z 

Zazriry,    Elsie 1005, 1006, 1017, 1019, 1030, 1031, 1038, 1061, 1108 

Zucker,  Frieda  (Mrs.  Dave  Katz) 995- 

1000,  1002-1011,  1016,  1019,  1026,  1027,  1034,  1035,  1038,  1040, 
1042-1044,  1048,  1049,  1051,  1056-1060,  1065,  1074,  1083.  1084- 
1086  (testimony)  1087,  1088,  1096,  1097,  1099,  1100,  1106,  1107, 
1151, 1159-1161. 

Organizations 

A 

American  Civil  Liberties  Union 1014, 

1027,  1053,  1073,  1086, 1134, 1136, 1139, 1143,  1144, 1162 

American  Committee  for  Protection  of  Foreign  Born 1005,  1031 

American  Russian  Institute  (San  Francisco) 1082,  1083 

Americans  for  Democratic  Action 1053 

Automobile,   Aircraft,   &  Agricultural  Implement   Workers   of  America, 
United  (UAW)  : 
Local  600  (Detroit)   (Ford) 1046 

B 

Bayer  Candy  &  Tobacco  Co.  (Cleveland,  Ohio) 1156 


CIO.     {See  Congress  of  Industrial  Organizations.) 

Civil   Rights   Congress' 1003 

1005, 1006, 1035,  1038,  1042,  1074,  1085-1087,  1096, 1097 
Cleveland  Committee  To  Secure  Justice  for  Morton  Sobell.     (See  National 

Committee  To  Secure  Justice  for  Morton  Sobell  in  the  Rosenberg  Case. ) 
Cleveland    Council    of   American-Soviet    Friendship.     {See   entry    under 

National  Council  of  American-Soviet  Friendship. ) 


^  Used  interchangeably  with  Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference  in  some  instances. 


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INDEX 


Committee  for  a  Sane  Nuclear  Policy  ( SANE )  :  Paee 

Cleveland   Committee 1150 

Communist  International.     ( See  International  III. ) 

Communist  Party  of  the  United  States  of  America 1092 

National  Structure : 

National  Commissions : 

Education    Commission 112.5, 1126 

Organization  Commission 1125, 1126 

National  Committee 992, 1000, 1066, 1092, 1093 

Executive  Committee 1000,  1028 

National  Conventions  and  Conferences  : 

Seventeenth    Convention,    December    10-13,    1957     (New    York 

City 989, 1026, 1093, 1102, 1103, 1105 

Districts ' 

Ohio' District 1026,  1028,   1064,    1092,  1093 

States  and  Territories : 

District   of   Columbia 1052,1122 

New  York   State 1100 

Section  28 1122 

New  York  City  Area  : 

Bronx  County 1100 

New  York  County  (Manhattan)  : 

Yorkville  Section 1121 

Ohio 1000,  1049,  1090-1092,  1115,  1123 

State    Board 1123 

State  Committee 1050,  1123,  1128 

Convention,  October  11-12,  1941   (Cleveland) 1115 

Convention,   April  30,   1944    (Cleveland) 1115 

Convention,  June  17-18,  1944  (Cleveland) 1071,  1115 

Convention,   October  1947    (Cleveland) 1124 

Convention,  1948 1128 

Cleveland : 

Northeast  Section 1000,  1001,  1010,  1078,  1090,  1094,  1103 

Section   Committee 1090, 1091 

Southeast  Section 1001, 1009-1011 

Pneumatic  Branch 1057 

Tom  Paine  Branch 1085 

Franklin  County : 

North  End  Club 1123 

Hamilton  County 1124 

Pennsylvania : 

Pittsburgh 998,999 

Central  Committee 1038 

Western  Pennsylvania : 

Nationality   Commission 1137 

Communist  Party,  Soviet  Union : 
Congresses : 

Twentieth  Congress,   February  1956   (Moscow) 1063 

Congress  of  Industrial  Organizations  (CIO) 1047, 1061 

Council  of  Greek  Americans 1113 

Council  on  Human  Relations 1135 

D 

Defense  Committee  for  Mrs.  Myrtle  Dennis 989, 1033, 1034 

E 

Electrical,  Radio  &  Machine  Workers  of  America,  United  (UE) 995, 

1045, 1061, 1110 
F 

Freedom  Committee 1034 

Fur  &  Leather  Workers  International  Union 1130 

H 
Harriet  Tubman  Center 1019, 1021 


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Initiating  Committee  of  the  Sojourn  for  Trutli  and  Justice  to  Washington, 
D.C.     (Sec  entry  under  Sojourners  for  Truth  and  Justice.) 

International.   Ill    (Communist)    (also  known  as  Comintern  and  Inter-     Page 
national  Workers'  Association) 1138 

International  Labor  Defense 1096 

International  Red  Aid    (MOPR)    (also  known  as  Red  International  of 

Labor  Defense) 1096,  1097 


Jewish  Peoples  Fraternal  Order  (IWO)  : 

Cleveland 1099 

M 

Mount  Pleasant  Community  Council 1140-1142 

Myrtle  Dennis  Defense  Committee.     (See  Defense  Committee  for  Mrs. 
Myrtle  Dennis.) 

N 

National  Association  for  the  Advancement  of  Colored  People  (NAACP)_     1027- 

1029,  1041, 1047,  1060,  1062,  1118, 1119 
National  Committee  To  Secure  Justice  for  Morton  Sobell  in  the  Rosen- 
berg Case : 

Cleveland  Committee 1142 

National  Committee  To  Secure  Justice  in  the  Rosenberg  Case  : 

Ohio  Committee  To  Secure  Justice  in  the  Rosenberg  Case 1148,  1149 

National  Conference  of  Christians  and  Jews 1135 

National  Council  of  American-Soviet  Friendship : 

Cleveland  Council 1149 

National  Council  of  the  Arts,  Sciences,  and  Professions 1148 

Cleveland  Council 1148,  1149 

National  Lawyers  Guild 1111,  1112,  1154 

National  Negro  Labor  Council 989,  1017,  1044-1049,  1055,  1060 

Cleveland  Branch 1044,  1045,  1047,  1055,  1061,  1062,  1071,  1148 

New  York  University  (New  York  City) 1129 

O 

Ohio  Bill  of  Rights  Conference 989, 

1003,    lOOr,,    1006,    1016,   1031,   1034,   1035,   1042,   1074,   1085-1088, 
1097,  1099. 

Ohio  Committee  for  Protection  of  Foreign  Born 989, 1005, 1006, 1017, 1061 

Ohio  Committee  To  Secure  Justice  in  the  Rosenberg  Case.      (See  entry 
under  National  Committee  To  Secure  Justice  in  the  Rosenberg  Case.) 

Ohio  State  University  (Columbus,  Ohio) 1156 

Ohio  Women  for  Peace 1082 

One  World  Book  Shop  (Cleveland,  Ohio) 1081,1118,1139 

P 

Progressive  Party 989, 

1005.  1006,  1009,  1032,  1055,  1056,  1081,  1083,  1147,  1148,  1159 
Provisional    Organizing    Committee   for   a    Marxist-Leninist    Communist 

Party   (POO 989,  1048,  1050,  10.56,  1062-1069,  1072.  1089 

National  Conference,  August  16-17,  1958  (New  York  City)__  1063, 1067, 1068 

S 

Sojourners  for  Truth  and  Justice 989, 

1017-1019,  1021,  1030,  1031,  1033-1035,  1037-1039,  1041,  1043,  1048, 
1061,  1074,  1090. 

Initiating  Committee  of  the  Sojourn  for  Truth  and  Justice 1019, 

1021,  1025,  1026, 1029 
Sojourn  for  Truth  and  Justice  to  Washington,  D.C,  September  24, 

1951 1021-1025 

Soviet  Peace  Committee 1082 


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U 

Page 

United  States  Employment  Service 1080 

United  States  Government : 
Justice,  Department  of: 

Federal    Bureau   of  InvestigaHon 994, 1011, 1012 

Subversive  Activities  Control  Board 1085, 1092, 1096,  1138 

Supreme    Court 1092, 1121 

Univis  Lens  Co 1131 

W 

Western  Reserve  University  (Cleveland,  Ohio) 1156 

Westwood  School   (Cleveland,  Ohio) 1152 

Workers   (Communist)   Party  of  America  (August  1925  to  March  1929)  : 

Nominating  Convention,  May  25-27  (New  York  City) 1100 

World  Peace  Congress   (also  known  as  World  Congress  of  Partisans  for 
Peace  and  World  Congress  of  Defenders  of  Peace)  : 

Second  Congress,  November  13,  1950,  ShefBeld,  England ;  November 

16-22,    1950,    Warsaw,    Poland 1082 

Y 
Young  Communist  League 1049,1066,1152 

Publications 

A 

Atlanta  Independent    (Atlanta,  Ga.) 1002 

C 

Cleveland  Press    (Cleveland,   Ohio) 993,1053,1120,1161 

Contact 1125-1127 

M 
Morning    Freiheit 998, 1138, 1139 

N 
National  Republic 995 

P 
Political  Affairs 1102 

S 

Statement  issued  by  the  Conference  of  Representatives  of  81  Communist 
Parties,  Moscow,  December  1960 992, 1039 

U 
Under  Arrest 1096 

V 
Vanguard 1063 

W 
Worker,  The 1028, 1056 


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