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FOREST  ECOSYSTEMS  MANAGEMENT  IN  IDAHO 


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HEARING 


BEFORE  THE 

SUBCOMMITTEE  OX  SPECIALTY  CROPS 
AND  NATURAL  RESOURCES 

OF  THE 

COMMITTEE  ON  AGRICULTURE 
HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATR^S 

ONE  HUNDRED  THIRD  CONGRESS 
FIRST  SESSION 


AUGUST  20,  1993 
BOISE,  ID 


Serial  No.  103-41 


JUN  2  7  ©54 

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FORBT  ECOSYSTEMS  MANAGEMENT  IN  IDAHO 


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HEARING 

BEFORE  THE 

SrBCOMMITTEE  OX  SPECL\LTY  CROPS 
AND  NATURAL  RESOURCES 

OF  THE 

COMMITTEE  ON  AGRICULTURE 
HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATR^S 

ONE  HUNDRED  THIRD  CONGRESS 

FIRST  SESSION 


AUGUST  20,  1993 
BOISE,  ID 


Serial  No.  103^1 


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COMMITTEE  ON  AGRICULTURE 

E  (KIKA)  DE  LA  GARZA,  Texas,  Chairman 


GEORGE  E.  BROWN,  Jr.,  California, 

Vice  Chairman 
CHARLIE  ROSE,  North  Carolina 
GLENN  ENGLISH,  Oklahoma 
DAN  GLICKMAN,  Kansas 
CHARLES  W.  STENHOLM,  Texas 
HAROLD  L.  VOLKMER,  Missouri 
TIMOTHY  J.  PENNY,  Minnesota 
TIM  JOHNSON,  South  Dakota 
BILL  SARPALIUS,  Texas 
JILL  L.  LONG,  Indiana 
GARY  A.  CONDIT,  California 
COLLIN  C.  PETERSON,  Minnesota 
CALVIN  M.  DOOLEY,  California 
EVA  M.  CLAYTON,  North  Carolina 
DAVID  MINGE,  Minnesota 
EARL  F.  HILLIARD,  Alabama 
JAY  INSLEE,  Washington 
THOMAS  J.  BARLOW  III,  Kentucky 
EARL  POMEROY,  North  Dakota 
TIM  HOLDEN,  Pennsylvania 
CYNTHIA  A.  McKINNEY,  Georgia 
SCOTTY  BAESLER,  Kentucky 
KAREN  L.  THURMAN,  Florida 
SANFORD  D.  BISHOP,  Jr.,  Georgia 
BENNIE  G.  THOMPSON,  Mississippi 
SAM  FARR,  California 
PAT  WILLIAMS,  Montana 
BLANCHE  M.  LAMBERT,  Arkansas 


PAT  ROBERTS,  Kansas, 

Ranking  Minority  Member 
BILL  EMERSON,  Missouri 
STEVE  GUNDERSON,  Wisconsin 
TOM  LEWIS,  Florida 
ROBERT  F.  (BOB)  SMITH,  Oregon 
LARRY  COMBEST,  Texas 
WAYNE  ALLARD,  Colorado 
BILL  BARRETT,  Nebraska 
JIM  NUSSLE,  Iowa 
JOHN  A.  BOEHNER,  Ohio 
THOMAS  W.  EWING,  lUinois 
JOHN  T.  DOOLITTLE,  Cahfornia 
JACK  KINGSTON,  Georgia 
BOB  GOODLATTE,  Virginia 
JAY  DICKEY,  Arkansas 
RICHARD  W.  POMBO,  California 
CHARLES  T.  CANADY,  Florida 
NICK  SMITH,  Michigan 
TERRY  EVERETT,  Alabama 


Professional  Staff 

DiANNE  Powell,  Staff  Director 

Vernie  Hubert,  Chief  Counsel  and  Legislative  Director 

Gary  R.  Mitchell,  Minority  Staff  Director 

James  A.  Davis,  Press  Secretary 


Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops  and  Natural  Resources 


CHARLIE  ROSE, 

SCOTTY  BAESLER,  Kentucky, 

Vice  Chairman 
SANFORD  D.  BISHOP,  Jr.,  Georgia 
GEORGE  E.  BROWN,  Jr.,  CaUfornia 
GARY  A.  CONDIT,  California 
EVA  M.  CLAYTON,  North  Carolina 
KAREN  L.  THURMAN,  Florida 
DAVID  MINGE,  Minnesota 
JAY  INSLEE,  Washington 
EARL  POMEROY,  North  Dakota 
GLENN  ENGLISH,  Oklahoma 
CHARLES  W.  STENHOLM,  Texas 
COLLIN  C.  PETERSON,  Minnesota 
SAM  FARR,  Cahfornia 
HAROLD  L.  VOLKMER,  Missouri 


North  Carolina,  Chairman 

TOM  LEWIS,  Florida 
BILL  EMERSON,  Missouri 
JOHN  T.  DOOLITTLE,  California 
JACK  KINGSTON,  Georgia 
BOB  GOODLATTE,  Virginia 
JAY  DICKEY,  Arkansas 
RICHARD  W.  POMBO,  Cahfornia 
TERRY  EVERETT,  Alabama 


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CONTENTS 


Page 

LaRocco,  Hon.  Larry,  a  Representative  in  Congress  from  the  State  of  Idaho, 

opening  statement  7 

Prepared  statement  9 

Peterson,  Hon.  ColUn  C,  a  Representative  in  Congress  from  the  State  of 

Minnesota,  opening  statement  6 

Rose,  Hon.  Charlie,  a  Representative  in  Congress  from  the  State  of  North 

Carohna,  opening  statement  5 

Prepared  statement  6 

Witnesses 

Andrus,  Cecil  D.,  Governor,  State  of  Idaho  1 

Prepared  statement  55 

Arno,  Stephen  F.,  research  forester,  Intermountain  Research  Station,  Forest 
Service,  U.S.  Department  of  Agriculture,  Missoula,  MT,  and  Robert  Steele, 
project  leader,  Intermountain  Research  Station,  Forest  Service,  Boise,  ID  ....        15 

Prepared  statement  69 

Everett,  Richard  L.,  science  team  leader,  eastside  forest  ecosystem  health 
assessment,  Wenatche  Forestry  Sciences  Laboratory,  Forest  Service,  U.S. 

Department  of  Agriculture  13 

Prepared  statement  59 

Foruria,  Lou,  president,  WCIW  No.  2816,  United  Brotherhood  of  Carpenters 

and  Joiners  of  America  50 

Prepared  statement  125 

Gehrke,  Craig,  regional  director,  Idaho  office.  Wilderness  Society  43 

Prepared  statement  119 

Groen,  Cal,  chief,  natural  resources  policy  bureau,  Idaho  Department  of  Fish 

and  Game  30 

Prepared  statement  81 

Malany,  Herbert  S.,  chief  forester,  Boise  Cascade,  Corp 27 

Prepared  statement 74 

Neuenschwander,  Leon  F.,  professor  and  associate  dean,  research  and  inter- 
national programs,  college  of  forestry,  wildlife,  and  marine  sciences.  Univer- 
sity of  Idaho  38 

Prepared  statement  115 

Oliver,  Chad  wick  D.,  professor,  silviculture  and  forest  ecology,  college  of  for- 
ests resources.  University  of  Washington  34 

Prepared  statement  90 

Partridge,  Arthur  D.,  professor,  plant  pathology,  college  of  forestry,  University 

of  Idaho  50 

Prepared  statement  129 

Sampson,  Neil,  executive  vice  president,  American  Forests  46 

Tuttle,   Merritt   E.,   Division  Chief,   Environmental   and  Technical   Services 
Division,  Northwest  Region,  National  Marine  Fisheries  Service,  National 
Oceanic  and  Atmospheric  Administration,  U.S.  Department  of  Commerce  ....        31 
Prepared  statement  83 

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FOREST  ECOSYSTEMS  MANAGEMENT  IN 

roAHO 


FRroAY,  AUGUST  20,  1993 

House  of  Representatives, 
Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops 

AND  Natural  Resources, 
Committee  on  Agriculture, 

Boise,  ID. 

The  subcommittee  met,  pursuant  to  call,  at  9  a.m.,  in  the  Gold 
Room,  Idaho  Capitol  Building,  Boise,  ID,  Hon.  Charlie  Rose  (chair- 
man of  the  subcommittee)  presiding. 

Present:  Representative  Peterson. 

Also  present:  Representative  LaRocco. 

Staff  present:  Keith  Pitts  and  Alexandra  Buell. 

Mr.  Rose.  The  House  Agriculture  Subcommittee  on  Specialty 
Crops  and  Natural  Resources  will  please  come  to  order. 

We  are  here  today  to  conduct  a  public  field  hearing,  and  the  sub- 
ject is  ecosystems  management  and  applicability  of  new  forest  and 
forest  health  techniques  for  forest  ecosystems  management  in 
Idaho. 

We  have  a  large  panel  of  experts  and  people  who  want  to  testify. 
We  are  very  honored  that  the  Governor  of  your  State  will  be  our 
first  witness  today.  I  am  going  to  let  him,  if  he  will,  make  his  open- 
ing remarks  even  before  I  make  my  opening  remarks. 

So  if  you  will  honor  us  with  your  statement.  Governor,  we  thank 
you  for  allowing  us  to  use  this  great  capitol  building. 

STATEMENT  OF  CECIL  D.  ANDRUS,  GOVERNOR,  STATE  OF 

IDAHO 

Governor  Andrus.  Thank  you  very  much,  Mr.  Chairman. 

If  I  might,  before  we  get  to  the  formalities  of  an  actual  hearing, 
I  would  like  to  express  my  appreciation  to  an  old  friend  coming 
back  to  visit.  The  people  of  Idaho  do  not  know  of  our  personal  rela- 
tionship. I  have  been  in  Charlie's  district  in  1977,  1978,  and  1980, 
I  guess,  and  probably  some  other  times,  to  help  out  with  some  of 
the  problems  in  North  Carolina. 

I  told  the  distinguished  Congressman  that  it  was  more  than  15 
years  ago  that  I  wanted  him  to  visit  the  great  State  of  Idaho,  and 
now  that  you  are  here,  Congressman,  I  can  announce  to  you  and 
the  world  that  I  have  fulfilled  all  of  my  desires  in  public  office,  and 
I  will  not  run  for  reelection. 

So  seriously,  the  public  out  here,  we  don't  have  an  opportunity 
to  know  of  men  like  you  and  Congressman  Peterson  from  Min- 
nesota, the  dedication  that  you  have.  I  have  been  a  proponent  of 

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term  limitations,  but  I  would  say  if  they  were  all  like  Charlie  Rose 
in  North  Carolina,  I  would  change  my  mind. 

Mr.  Rose.  You  are  very  nice.  Thank  you. 

Governor  Andrus.  Now,  if  I  may  be  more  formal,  Mr.  Chairman, 
I  would  ask  unanimous  consent  that  my  entire  comments  be  sub- 
mitted for  the  record,  and  I  will  be  brief  in  my  capsulation. 

Mr.  Rose.  So  ordered. 

Governor  Andrus.  Again,  thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman,  and  Con- 
gressman Peterson,  for  being  here  with  Congressman  LaRocco  to 
propose,  as  he  proposes,  his  legislation  that  we  know  as  H.R.  229. 

I  would  just  say  to  you,  sir,  that  this  legislation  is  both  necessary 
and  urgently  needed.  I  support  the  bill.  The  administration  sup- 
ports the  LaRocco  legislation. 

Insect  infestation  continues  to  plague  our  woods.  The  combina- 
tion of  6  years  of  drought,  before  we  had  any  relief,  brought  about 
an  increased  mortality  rate  that  is  totally  unacceptable. 

We  have  had  dead  and  dying  timber.  We  have  had  catastrophic 
wildfires.  We  had  the  fire  storms  of  the  Lowman  area  in  1989,  and 
just  last  year  we  had,  just  east  of  this  city  where  we  are  seated, 
a  250,000-acre  rangeland  and  timber  fire  that  blackened  millions 
and  millions  of  board  feet  of  timber,  as  well  as  destroying  the 
range. 

It  is  time  that  we  had  man  not  leaving  all  management  to  moth- 
er nature,  because  man's  intrusion  into  the  ecosystems  has  caused 
problems  that  man  and  man's  science  must  be  involved  in  correct- 
ing. 

I  would  submit  to  you,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  the  forest  is  more 
than  just  trees.  Too  many  people  see  the  trees  and  think  of  that 
as  a  forest,  a  wilderness,  a  woodlot,  or  whatever  they  choose,  but 
the  timberland  of  this  State  and  other  States,  as  you  know  from 
North  Carolina  and  your  district,  provides  the  watershed  that  is 
absolutely  necessary  for  other  ingredients.  It  provides  a  shelter  for 
wildlife.  It  provides  the  water  quality  for  the  fisheries  in  our 
streams.  It  provides  all  of  those  things,  including  forage  for  live- 
stock grazing. 

So  the  forests  are  very  important.  As  we  have  watched  our  for- 
ests become  devastated  by  disease  and  fire,  we  recognize  something 
has  to  be  done.  That  is  why  I  congratulate  Congressman  LaRocco 
for  coming  forward  with  this  legislation,  and  I  would  submit  to  you 
that,  yes,  you  are  going  to  hear  some  controversial  statements  that 
the  Boise  National  Forest  is  using  this  type  of  current  management 
as  an  excuse  to  harvest  timber.  Well,  the  State  of  Idaho  has 
forestlands  in  the  same  area. 

We  increased  our  cut  from  17  million  board  feet  a  year  to  27  mil- 
lion board  feet  a  year  the  past  3  years,  taking  out  basically  the  in- 
festation from  insects,  the  dead  and  dying  timber,  and  the  salvag- 
ing of  fire. 

You  must  move  fairly  rapidly  to  salvage  that  wood  fiber  for  com- 
mercial uses,  not  only  to  sustain  an  industry,  but  also  to  avoid 
wasting  it,  and  thereby  we  can  save  the  green  stems  for  future 
years.  That  is  exactly  what  we  have  been  doing.  The  timberlands 
are  very  valuable  to  us  in  many  respects. 

I  would  just  say  to  you  that  generally  I  agree  with  the  manage- 
ment philosophy  of  the  Boise  National  Forest  in  this  regard,  even 


though  it  has  been  accused  of  accelerating  the  cut.  In  my  testimony 
that  I  submitted  to  you  we  elaborate  on  that  point. 

I  would  point  out  to  you,  however,  as  we  support  that  manage- 
ment technique,  we  are  also  advocating  that  some  areas  be  left 
without  man's  intervention  so  we  can  compare  the  two  and,  down 
the  road,  fme-tune  Congressman  LaRocco's  legislation  to  see  that 
what  we  are  doing  is  right. 

There  is  one  provision  within  the  bill  that  I  must  speak  to,  and 
that  is  the  shared  receipts  that  we  have  from  timberlands  to  our 
counties.  That  is  a  very  important  part  of  this  legislation.  I  hope 
that  it  won't  be  dropped  out  and  that  it  will  be  maintained  on  the 
gross  figures  of  the  sales  because  many  of  our  counties,  as  in  your 
States,  rely  upon  those  receipts  for  the  maintenance  of  local  units 
of  government. 

Out  here,  unlike  some  of  yours,  we  have  a  tremendous  amount 
of  federally  owned  land  that  is  not  on  the  tax  base.  Those  receipts 
have  to  be  protected,  and  the  Congressman  from  Idaho's  First  Con- 
gressional District  realizes  that.  He  included  it  in  the  legislation, 
and  I  hope  it  continues. 

I  think  with  that,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  probably  cease  my  for- 
mal testimony  and  make  myself  available  to  you  and  your  col- 
leagues for  any  questions  you  might  have,  and  submit  the  balance 
of  my  testimony  for  the  record. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Governor  Andrus  appears  at  the  con- 
clusion of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you.  Governor. 

In  my  own  experience,  the  problems  of  local  units  of  government 
having  large  units  of  Federal  land  in  the  county,  and  the  fact  that 
they  don't  pay  any  local  taxes  because  of  that,  is  something  that 
I  am  very  sensitive  to.  We  have  two  large  military  bases  in  eastern 
North  Carolina  and  they  don't  pay  any  property  tax,  yet  the  county 
is  supposed  to  educate  the  children.  Aiid  so  the  Government  has 
paid  a  type  of  impact  aid  to  the  local  school  unit  to  help  them  have 
the  resources  to  educate  their  children  in  the  public  school. 

That  is  similar  to  what  you  are  talking  about,  sharing  the  re- 
ceipts from  the  sales  of  timber  with  the  local  units  of  government. 

Governor  Andrus.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Rose.  I  thank  you  very  much  for  being  here.  I  don't  have  any 
further  questions. 

Representative  Peterson. 

Mr.  Peterson.  I  was  just  wondering  if  Congressman  LaRocco 
was  saying  that  62  percent  of  your  land  was  Federal  land.  Is  that 
correct? 

Governor  Andrus.  Sixty-four,  depending  on  who  runs  the  num- 
bers. 

Mr.  Peterson.  Do  you  have  counties  that  are  totally  Federal 
land? 

Governor  Andrus.  Not  totally,  but  running  95  percent.  If  you 
want  to  look  into  Idaho  County  on  the  east  side  of  that  county — 
our  largest  county — it  is  all  Federal  forestland.  You  get  down  into 
Owyhee  County,  Congressman,  that  runs  with  the  BLM  and  the 
public  in  excess  of  90  percent. 


We  have  many  examples  of  that,  where  the  alluvial  valley  floor 
and  the  prime  land  was  picked  up  either  under  desert  entry  or  the 
Homestead  Act  many  years  ago,  and  the  rest  is  Federal. 

Mr.  Peterson.  I  assume  there  is  something  in  lieu  of  taxes  paid? 

Governor  Andrus.  We  receive  receipts  from  some  of  those.  Also 
Public  Law  80  in  impact  aid,  we  would  see  some  of  that.  We  have 
a  distribution  formula  of  State  funds  to  public  schools  that  picks 
up  some  of  that.  But  if  you  would  take  away  the  25  percent  of 
these  to  the  counties,  they  would  be  in  deep,  serious  trouble. 

Mr.  Peterson.  Thank  you. 

Mr.  Rose.  Congressman  LaRocco. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Governor,  thank  you  for  being  here  and  for  your 
testimony.  I  find  it  to  be  a  great  honor  to  be  on  this  side  of  the 
desk  while  you  are  testifying.  I  can  say  I  think  your  testimony  is 
going  to  have  a  great  impact  on  the  Agriculture  Committee  and  the 
Natural  Resources  Committee,  not  only  because  you  are  CEO  of 
Idaho's  public  lands,  but  because  of  your  former  position  as  Sec- 
retary of  the  Interior. 

One  of  the  main  goals  of  this  legislation  is  to  make  Government 
more  efficient,  to  take  in  Government  authorities.  If  you  have  any 
extemporaneous  comments  on  what  we  are  trying  to  accomplish 
through  tying  together  these  authorities  with  the  Secretary  of  the 
Interior  and  with  the  Secretary  of  Agriculture  and  allowing  them 
to  declare  this  forest  emergency  so  they  can  move  ahead  to  test 
management,  fire  suppression,  reforestation,  salvage,  that  would  be 
appreciated. 

Governor  Andrus.  Let  me  briefly  touch  upon  that. 

I  had  a  visit  with  the  President  of  the  United  States  earlier  this 
week  on  some  of  the  western  issues.  We  talked  about  not  only  the 
forest,  but  the  rangeland.  I  have  talked  to  his  Chief  of  Staff  since 
then,  the  Department  of  Interior  officials,  my  colleagues  in  the 
Governors'  Conference.  You  are  absolutely  right.  We  can't  stand  out 
there  alone,  one  pitted  against  the  other.  Not  only  are  our  lands 
intermingled,  but  society  relies  upon  the  proper  and  wise  use  and 
productivity  of  these  lands. 

I  meet  annually  with  all  the  supervisors  of  the  national  forests. 
I  have  a  working  relationship  with  the  Director  of  the  BLM.  We 
are  trying  to  bring  the  State  experts,  if  you  will,  and  the  Federal 
experts  together  before  we  make  a  decision  to  see  that  we  are  in 
harmony. 

I  think  that  your  legislation  provides  that  provision  whereby  the 
State,  through  the  elected  Governor,  would  have  that  opportunity 
to  participate  in  it. 

And,  very  candidly,  Mr.  LaRocco,  I  know  the  Boise  National  For- 
est has  been  criticized  by  some,  but  again,  if  the  people  knew  all 
the  work  that  went  on  behind  the  scenes  to  determine  where  you 
would  use  helicopter  logging  so  you  would  not  put  the  roads  in  an 
area  that  would  endanger  the  water  quality,  what  they  did  with 
the  cross  vaulting  on  hill  sides,  what  they  did  with  the  straw  to 
keep  the  sediment  from  washing  into  the  streams,  they  worked 
hard  to  improve  that. 

We  worked  with  them,  and  I  think  your  bill  institutionalizes 
what  we  are  trying  to  do  informally.  And  for  future  generations,  I 
think  that  is  a  wise  move.  Congressman. 


Mr.  LaRocco.  Thank  you  very  much,  Governor. 

You  have  mentioned  there  are  going  to  be  some  controversial 
statements  about  the  bill.  The  intent  is  to  bring  everybody  together 
in  a  formal  hearing,  hear  what  they  have  to  say,  fme-tune  this  leg- 
islation, and  hopefully  improve  it. 

Governor  Andrus.  Congressman,  I  don't  know  how  you  bring 
about  such  controversy.  I  have  been  in  politics  30  years  and  I  have 
never  been  in  a  controversial  situation. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  It  is  amazing  how  you  have  avoided  that. 

Mr.  Rose.  That  is  why  you  are  such  a  joy  to  work  with. 

Governor  ANDRUS.  Your  eminence,  if  I  may  be  excused. 

Mr.  Rose.  Yes,  sir.  You  have  other  things  to  do. 

Thank  you.  We  appreciate  you  being  here. 

Let  me  go  back  now  to  my  opening  statement.  I  didn't  want  to 
keep  your  Governor  from  doing  the  taxpayers'  State  work  while  I 
was  reading  my  opening  statement. 

OPENING  STATEMENT  OF  HON.  CHARLIE  ROSE,  A  REP- 
RESENTATIVE IN  CONGRESS  FROM  THE  STATE  OF  NORTH 
CAROLINA 

Mr.  Rose.  I  want  to  thank  all  of  you  for  attending  this  meeting. 
We  are  basically  here  because  of  your  Congressman,  Larry 
LaRocco.  The  key  element  that  I  would  like  to  stress  about  this  leg- 
islation is  the  emergency  nature  of  it. 

Everybody  knows  that  there  are  things  that  must  be  done  to 
change  the  way  in  which  we  manage  our  forest  resources,  but  Con- 
gressman LaRocco  has  asked  the  Secretaries  of  Agriculture  and  In- 
terior to  declare  that  a  forest  health  emergency  exists  on  Federal 
lands  under  their  jurisdiction,  so  that  we  don't  let  things  move  as 
usual  in  Washington,  but  to  carry  out  an  accelerated  forest  health 
improvement  program  steps  that  will  prevent  further  forest  dam- 
age and  reduce  the  risk  of  disastrous  wildfires  on  these  lands  and 
implement  management  strategies. 

He  is  pushing  it  to  the  head  of  the  line  by  putting  it  that  way, 
and  I  think  that  is  what  is  called  for.  It  is  clear  the  Idaho  forest 
ecosystem  is  stressed.  Ecosystems  that  for  centuries  have  depended 
on  fire  for  rejuvenation  and  general  forest  health  have  been  denied 
because  of  successful  attempts  to  control  forest  fires. 

Policies  that  for  decades  seemed  wise  and  in  the  interest  of  forest 
health  may  have  yielded  an  overabundance  of  tree  species  that  can- 
not be  adequately  supported  in  their  current  condition.  This  dif- 
ficult situation  has  been  further  exacerbated  by  years  of  drought 
that  have  made  competing  stands  of  ponderosa  pine  and  Douglas- 
fir  even  weaker  and  more  susceptible  to  disease  and  pest  infesta- 
tions. 

It  is  time  to  look  to  the  future.  Congressman  LaRocco's  bill  asks 
us  to  do  that.  In  my  opinion,  many  of  the  issues  raised  in  this  bill 
about  forest  health  are  important  components  of  ecosystems  man- 
agement. 

I  have  basically  made  the  comments  that  I  have  here  and  I  will 
put  the  rest  of  my  statement  in  the  record. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Rose  follows:] 


Prepared  Statement  of  Hon.  Charlie  Rose 

I  thank  everyone  for  attending  this  special  meeting  of  the  House  Agriculture  Sub- 
committee on  Specialty  Crops  and  Natural  Resources.  In  particular,  I'd  like  to  thank 
Congressman  Larry  LaRocco  for  inviting  us  out  to  Idaho.  Congressman,  I  commend 
you  for  your  leadership  in  seeking  a  solution  to  the  tenuous  and  potentially  explo- 
sive condition  of  forests  in  Idaho. 

Even  to  a  forestry  layperson  like  myself,  it  is  clear  that  the  Idaho  forest  ecosystem 
is  stressed.  Ecosystems,  that  for  centuries,  have  depended  upon  fire  for  purification, 
rejuvenation  and  general  forest  health  have  been  denied  an  important  component 
of  their  livelihood  by  our  successful  attempts  to  control  and  suppress  forest  fires. 
Fire  suppression  policies  that,  for  decades,  seemed  wise  and  in  the  interest  of  forest 
health,  have  yielded  an  overabundance  of  tree  species  that  are  not,  and  cannot  be, 
adequately  supported  in  their  current  condition.  This  difficult  situation  has  been 
further  exacerbated  by  years  of  drought  that  have  made  competing  stands  of  pon- 
derosa  pine  and  Douglas-fir  even  weaker  and  more  susceptible  to  disease  and  pest 
infestations. 

In  recent  years,  from  coast  to  coast,  we  have  seen  examples  of  how  generally  ac- 
cepted forest  practices  have  done  great  disservice  to  forest  ecosystems.  Clearly, 
Idaho  has  seen  its  share  of  such  miscalculations,  shortsightedness  and  neglect. 

However,  now  is  the  time  to  look  to  the  future.  In  my  opinion,  many  of  the  issues 
Congressman  LaRocco  has  raised  about  forest  health  are  important  components  of 
ecosystems  management. 

I  think  the  concept  of  ecosystems  management  challenges  all  of  us  to  rethink  how 
our  natural  resources  are  to  be  maintained,  utilized  and  protected.  The  debate  and 
the  ultimate  implementation  of  ecosystems  management  will  be  met  with  skep- 
ticism; nonetheless,  the  issue  should  be  engaged  and  ecosystems  management  must 
be  implemented. 

This  fall,  the  subcommittee  will  begin  working  with  all  interested  parties  to  begin 
the  arduous  task  of  defining,  funding  and  implementing  ecosystems  management  on 
all  Federal  lands.  Certainly,  forest  health  is  a  cornerstone  to  such  a  policy. 

In  closing,  Larry,  I  want  to  assure  you  that  I  will  work  closely  with  you,  the  ad- 
ministration, the  environmental  community,  industry,  and  labor  groups  to  expedi- 
tiously craft  a  comprehensive  policy  to  address  the  immediate  and  the  long-term  for- 
est health  concerns  of  the  intermountain  west.  I  appreciate  your  leadership  on  this 
issue. 

Mr.  Rose.  You  have  heard  our  first  witness.  Before  we  continue 
with  the  witnesses,  I  am  going  to  give  Congressman  ColHn  C.  Pe- 
terson an  opportunity  to  make  any  opening  statement  he  would 
hke  to  make. 

OPENING  STATEMENT  OF  HON.  COLLIN  C.  PETERSON,  A  REP- 
RESENTATIVE IN  CONGRESS  FROM  THE  STATE  OF  MIN- 
NESOTA 

Mr.  Peterson.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  am  not  going  to  take  a  whole  lot 
of  time.  I  just  want  to  thank  Congressman  LaRocco  for  inviting  us 
to  his  State  and  for  the  work  he  has  been  doing  on  this  issue,  and 
on  the  whole  issue  of  the  future  of  the  forest  industry  in  this  coun- 
try. 

I  have  a  district  that  has  some  forest  products  industry,  but  not 
to  the  extent  you  do  in  Idaho.  We  do  have  Boise  Cascade  in  my  dis- 
trict to  some  extent. 

I  don't  claim  to  be  an  expert.  That  is  one  of  the  reasons  I  wanted 
to  come  out  to  this  hearing,  so  I  could  learn  more  and  see  your 
State.  I  have  never  been  to  Idaho  before,  so  I  appreciate  the  oppor- 
tunity and  look  forward  to  hearing  the  testimony. 

Again,  I  wanted  to  thank  you  for  the  work  and  leadership  you 
have  provided  on  this  issue. 

Mr.  Rose.  Mr.  LaRocco. 


OPENING  STATEMENT  OF  HON.  LARRY  LaROCCO,  A 
REPRESENTATIVE  IN  CONGRESS  FROM  THE  STATE  OF  IDAHO 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

If  I  may  make  an  opening  statement.  First  I  want  to  say  it  is 
very  important  we  bring  Washington,  DC  to  the  field  and  to  the 
constituents,  instead  of  having  people  travel  all  the  way  back  there. 

As  you  can  tell,  this  subcommittee  is  lean  and  mean.  We  don't 
have  a  calligrapher  on  this  subcommittee.  Everjrthing  is  home 
grown  here.  We  did  it  this  morning. 

Let  me  make  a  formal  statement,  if  I  may,  Mr.  Chairman.  First 
of  all,  thanking  you  for  coming  to  Idaho  to  conduct  this  field  hear- 
ing on  my  legislation,  H.R.  229,  and  on  forest  health  as  it  applies 
to  ecosystems  management  in  Idaho. 

Because  62  percent  of  Idaho's  land  is  under  Federal  manage- 
ment, I  believe  I  speak  for  many  of  the  people  in  this  room  when 
I  express  how  important  it  is  to  have  the  chairman  of  the  Agri- 
culture Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops  and  Natural  Resources 
with  oversight  of  national  forest  issues  visit  our  State. 

I  also  want  to  thank  Congressman  Peterson  for  taking  valuable 
time  to  fly  in  from  his  district  in  Minnesota  to  hear  firsthand  the 
testimony  to  be  presented  here  today. 

I  also  appreciate  the  work  of  Steve  Mealey  and  the  Boise  Na- 
tional Forest  staff  for  taking  the  subcommittee  staff  and  my  staff 
on  a  tour  of  areas  being  treated  for  forest  health  problems  yester- 
day. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  believe  1993  marks  a  watershed  year  for  a 
major  public  policy  shift  in  forest  management.  As  in  the  past,  wa- 
tersheds are  the  result  of  widespread  change  in  public  attitudes, 
actions,  as  well  as  changes  in  natural  conditions,  and  require  re- 
sponsiveness on  the  part  of  policymakers. 

For  example,  a  major  policy  shift  followed  the  controversy  over 
clearcutting  on  the  Monongahela  National  Forest  in  West  Virginia, 
which  led  to  enactment  of  the  National  Forest  Management  Act  in 
1976. 

Another  policy  shift  resulted  in  increasing  and  confiicting  uses  on 
national  forests  during  the  1950's  and  1960's.  As  a  result,  the  For- 
est Service  had  a  real  need  for  striking  a  balance,  and  Congress 
gave  the  agency  a  tool  to  accomplish  that  in  the  Multiple-Use  Sus- 
tained Yield  Act. 

Today,  one  phenomenon  foreshadowing  a  major  policy  change  is 
that  many  forest  systems  are  on  the  verge  of  collapse  due  to  years 
of  overeffective  fire  suppression  and  turn-of-the-century  logging 
practices.  This  pattern  of  historic  use  and  management  has  been 
brought  to  a  crisis  by  recent  drought  conditions. 

Pest  problems  have  increased  due  to  the  many  weakened  trees. 
And  as  trees  continue  to  succumb  to  these  attacks,  forests  become 
virtual  tinderboxes  ready  to  explode  into  disastrous  wildfires. 

With  the  current  fuel  loads,  wildfires  are  capable  of  setting  the 
ecological  clock  back  to  zero.  Even  the  most  fire-resistant,  old- 
growth  ponderosa  pines,  currently  mixed  in  with  ailing  firs,  are  at 
risk,  particularly  if  flames  climb  to  the  top  of  the  trees  and  race 
through  the  crowns. 

Under  present  conditions,  fires  pose  a  tremendous  hazard  to  the 
many  communities,  homes,  and  people  that  have  located  in  forested 


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areas  in  recent  years.  On  one  windy  day  alone  in  1991,  more  than 
90  wildfires  destroyed  112  homes  in  the  inland  Northwest. 

Another  factor  aligning  with  forest  health  concerns  to  precipitate 
a  policy  change  is  the  evolution  of  the  spotted  owl  debate  and  the 
listings  of  large  numbers  of  fish  and  wildlife  under  the  Endangered 
Species  Act.  And,  converging  with  the  unraveling  of  forest  systems 
of  the  West  is  the  development  of  ecosystem  management,  which 
may  be  more  a  consequence  of  change  than  a  cause. 

As  multiple-use  was  to  the  1960's,  ecosystem  management  is 
being  explored  as  a  solution  to  today's  natural  resource  manage- 
ment problems.  Ecosystem  restoration  action  is  needed  to  reduce 
the  risk  of  catastrophic  wildfire  and  to  repair  watersheds  and  re- 
store the  natural  dynamics  and  resilience  of  forest  systems. 

The  Natural  Resources  Committee  continues  to  explore  the  pa- 
rameters of  ecosystem  management.  As  a  member  of  that  commit- 
tee, I  attended  a  workshop  in  May  at  the  Black  Butte  Ranch  south 
of  Bozeman,  Montana.  That  workshop  brought  together  scientists 
and  members  of  the  committee  to  explore  informally  the  issues  and 
challenges  associated  with  ecosystem  management  in  the  northern 
Rockies. 

Last  year,  as  many  of  you  are  aware,  I  introduced  the  National 
Forest  Health  Act  of  1992  to  bring  focus  to  and  begin  a  dialog  on 
the  issue  of  forest  health.  With  the  bipartisan  cosponsorship  of  30 
Members  of  the  House  of  Representatives,  I  was  able  to  steer  that 
legislation  through  the  full  Agriculture  Committee.  And,  in  this 
Congress,  I  continue  to  stir  the  pot  by  reintroducing  that  bill  ap- 
proved by  the  Agriculture  Committee  as  H.R.  229. 

I  think  we  have  spoken  a  lot  about  the  bill,  and  I  would  just  ask 
unanimous  consent,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  my  full  statement  be  made 
a  part  of  the  record. 

I  look  forward  to  this  testimony  today.  I  think  we  have  a  broad 
array  of  witnesses  that  will  give  us,  I  think,  a  good  glide  path  to- 
ward moving  this  legislation  through  Congress.  I  welcome  that  tes- 
timony. 

I  know  some  of  it  is  going  to  be  critical  of  this  legislation,  but 
we  need  to  hear  how  people  feel  about  this  legislation,  whether  it 
be  critical  or  supportive,  because  I  think  it  is  part  of  the  legislative 
process  that  we  hold  these  hearings,  we  take  in  all  points  of  view, 
and  hopefully  we  can  work  together  and  manage  our  forests  in  a 
more  efficient  manner. 

With  that,  I  will  conclude  and  just  say  thank  you  again  for  being 
here. 

Mr.  Rose.  Your  full  statement  will  be  a  part  of  the  record. 

Thank  you.  Congressman. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  LaRocco  follows:] 


STATEMENT  OF 

THE  HONORABLE  LARRY  LAROCCO 

on 

H.R.  229,  the  National  Forest  Health  Act  of  1993 

Boise,  Idaho 
August  20,  1993 

Mr.  Chairman,  thank  you  for  coining  to  Idaho  to  conduct  this 
field  hearing  on  my  legislation,  H.R.  229,  and  on  forest  health 
as  it  applies  to  ecosystems  management  in  Idaho.   Because  62 
percent  of  Idaho's  land  is  under  federal  management,  I  believe  I 
speak  for  many  of  the  people  in  this  room  when  I  express  how 
important  it  is  to  have  the  Chairman  of  the  Agriculture 
subcommittee  with  oversight  of  national  forest  issues  visit  our 
State. 

I  would  also  like  to  thank  Congressman  Peterson  for  taking 
valuable  time  to  fly  in  from  his  district  in  Minnesota  to  hear, 
first  hand,  the  testimony  to  be  presented  today. 

I  also  appreciate  the  work  of  Steve  Mealy  and  the  Boise 
National  Forest  staff  for  taking  the  committee  staff  and  my  staff 
on  a  tour  of  areas  being  treated  for  forest  health  problems, 
yesterday. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  believe  1993  marks  a  watershed  year  for  a 
major  public  policy  shift  in  forest  management.   As  in  the  past, 
watersheds  are  the  result  of  widespread  change  in  public 
attitudes,  actions,  as  well  as  changes  in  natural  conditions  — 
and  require  responsiveness  on  the  part  of  policy-makers. 

For  example,  a  major  policy  shift  followed  the  controversy 
over  clearcutting  on  the  Monongahela  National  Forest  in  West 
Virginia  —  which  lead  to  enactment  of  the  National  Forest 
Management  Act  in  1976. 

Another  policy  shift  resulted  from  increasing  and 
conflicting  uses  on  national  forests  during  the  50 's  and  60 's. 
As  a  result,  the  Forest  Service  had  a  real  need  for  striking  a 
balance,  and  Congress  gave  the  agency  a  tool  to  accomplish  that 
in  the  Multiple  Use  Sustained  Yield  Act. 

Today,  one  phenomenon  foreshadowing  a  major  policy  change  is 
that  many  forest  systems  are  on  the  verge  of  collapse  due  to 
years  of  over-effective  fire  suppression  and  turn-of-the-century 
logging  practices.   This  pattern  of  historic  use  and  management 
has  been  brought  to  a  crisis  by  recent  drought  conditions. 

Pest  problems  have  increased  due  to  the  many  weakened  trees. 
And  as  trees  continue  to  succumb  to  these  attacks,  forest  become 
virtual  tinderboxes  ready  to  explode  into  disastrous  wildfires. 


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In  central  and  southern  Idaho,  the  Payette  and  Boise 
National  Forests  are  experiencing  catastrophic  damage  from  insect 
and  disease  attack.   Both  forests  are  dying  significantly  faster 
than  they  are  growing.   The  statistics  are  startling  and  telling. 

On  the  Payette's  timber  land,  average  mortality  is  407  board 
feet  per  acre,  while  growth  is  only  248  board  feet.   Mortality 
figures  on  the  Boise  are  even  worse.   Since  1988,  the  Forest  has 
lost  more  than  400,000  trees  on  more  than  1  million  acres  of 
affected  forest. 

With  the  current  fuel  loads,  wildfires  are  capable  of 
setting  the  ecological  clock  back  to  zero.   Even  the  most  fire- 
resistant  old-growth  ponderosa  pines,  currently  mixed  in  with 
ailing  firs,  are  at  risk,  particularly  if  flames  climb  to  the  top 
of  the  trees  and  race  through  the  crowns. 

Under  present  conditions,  fires  pose  a  tremendous  hazard  to 
the  many  communities,  homes  and  people  that  have  located  in 
forested  areas  in  recent  years.   On  one  windy  day,  alone,  in  1991 
the  more  than  90  wildfires  destroyed  112  homes  in  the  Inland 
Northwest. 

Insect-damaged  riparian  areas,  which  provide  habitat  for 
native  fish  and  threatened  salmon,  carry  enormous  fuel  loads  and 
face  the  potential  of  extreme  post-wildfire  erosion. 

Another  factor  aligning  with  forest  health  concerns  to 
precipitate  a  policy  change  is  the  evolution  of  the  spotted  owl 
debate  and  the  listings  of  large  numbers  of  fish  and  wildlife 
under  the  Endangered  Species  Act. 

And,  converging  with  the  unraveling  of  forest  systems  of  the 
West  is  the  development  of  ecosystem  management,  which  may  be 
more  a  consequence  of  change  than  a  cause.   As  multiple-use  was 
to  the  60' s,  ecosystem  management  is  being  explored  as  a  solution 
to  today's  natural  resource  management  problems.   Ecosystem 
restoration  action  is  needed  to  reduce  the  risk  of  catastrophic 
wildfire,  and  to  repair  watersheds  and  restore  the  natural 
dynamics  and  resilience  of  forest  systems. 

The  Natural  Resources  Committee  continues  to  explore  the 
parameters  of  ecosystem  management.   As  a  member  of  that 
Committee,  I  attended  a  workshop  in  May  at  the  Black  Butte  Ranch 
south  of  Bozeman,  Montana.   The  workshop  brought  together 
scientists  and  Members  of  the  Committee  to  explore  informally  the 
issues  and  challenges  associated  with  ecosystem  management  in  the 
Northern  Rockies. 

Just  two  weeks  ago,  I  joined  the  committee  for  a  workshop  on 
ecosystem  management  in  the  Everglades  where  water  is  the  key 
issue,  as  it  is  in  Idaho  because  of  drought  conditions.   Similar 
workshops  and  hearings  will  help  the  Committee  identify  steps 


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that  Congress  may  wish  to  initiate  to  overcome  the  legal  and 
institutional  barriers  to  sound  ecosystem  management. 

National  Forest  Health  Act 
Last  year,  as  many  of  you  are  aware,  I  introduced  the 
National  Forest  Health  Act  of  1992  to  bring  focus  to  and  begin  a 
dialogue  on  the  issue  of  forest  health.   With  the  bipartisan  co- 
sponsorship  of  30  members  of  the  House  of  Representatives  I  was 
able  to  steer  that  legislation  through  the  full  Agriculture 
Committee.    And,  this  Congress,  I  continue  to  stir  the  pot  by 
reintroducing  that  bill  approved  by  the  Agriculture  Committee  as 
H.R.  229. 

My  bill  authorizes  the  Secretaries  of  Agriculture  and 
Interior  to  carry  out  forest  health  improvement  programs,  in 
consultation  with  state  and  federal  fish,  wildlife  and 
cooperative  forestry  experts,  in  an  effort  to  reduce  further 
damage  to  forest  resources  and  promote  management  of  sustained, 
diverse,  and  healthy  forest  ecosystems. 

These  lands  are  to  be  recognized  as  a  forest  health 
emergency  for  a  specific  length  of  time,  until  conditions 
favorable  to  forest  health  are  restored.   And,  at  the  request  of 
the  Governor  of  an  affected  state,  adjacent  state  and  private 
lands  can  be  included  in  the  emergency  areas  and  become  eligible 
for  federal  assistance  to  address  forest  health  problems. 

Another  measure  included  in  my  bill  is  a  provision  for 
multiple-year  contracts  where  the  focus  is  on  long-term  outcomes, 
not  outputs.   The  fiscal  year  ^92  and  ^93  appropriations  bills 
for  the  Forest  Service  directed  the  agency  to  test  this  new  "land 
stewardship  contract"  approach  to  federal  timber  sale  contracting 
on  several  western  national  forests  including  the  Idaho 
Panhandle.   And  the  agency  is  experiencing  success. 

In  addition  to  the  potential  for  enactment,  the  introduction 
of  legislation  generates  spin-off  benefits  which  bring  focus  and 
clarity  to  an  issue,  which  has  certainly  been  the  case  with  my 
forest  health  bill. 

2.    Report  results  froa  hearings: 

In  response  to  my  legislation,  this  Subcommittee,  under  the 
direction  of  former  Chairman,  Harold  Volkmer  held  three  hearings 
on  forest  health,  one  in  Coeur  d'Alene  on  Memorial  Day  of  last 
year.   The  testimony  received  during  those  hearings  should  not, 
in  my  judgement,  be  lost  or  set  aside  because  it  continues  to 
provide  a  foundation  upon  which  to  build. 

For  example,  primarily  in  response  to  hearings  on  my 
legislation,  a  forest  health  report  was  released  in  May  by  the 
Chief  of  the  Forest  Service.   The  introduction  to  the  report 
states,  "During  the  hearings,  members  of  Congress  asked  how  the 


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forests  recently  damaged  by  drought,  pest  epidemics,  and 
wildfires  will  be  restored  and  how  similar  damage  will  be 
prevented  elsewhere." 

The  report  further  states,  "The  strategic  goals  and  actions 
in  this  plan  support  the  new  emphasis  on  ecosystem  management  in 
the  National  Forest  System,  . . .  will  help  strengthen  Forest 
Service  cooperative  programs  and  provide  for  better  coordination 
and  assistance  on  forest  health  problems,  ...and  will  lead  to 
better  integration  of  forest  health  considerations  into  agency 
planning  and  decision  making." 

Also,  in  response  to  questions  raised  at  the  Coeur  d'Alene 
hearing,  the  Forest  Service  indicated  that  in  FY91,  28  percent, 
or  270  million  board  feet  of  the  980  million  board  feet  of  timlser 
to  be  offered  for  sale  in  Region  One  was  affected  by  appeals.   Of 
that,  26  percent,  or  70  million  board  feet  of  the  timber  sale 
volume  appealed  were  salvage  sales. 

But,  from  the  environmental  community,  I  heard  concerns 
about  any  attempt  to  stymie  public  participation  or  short-cut 
environmental  documentation. 

So,  over  the  months  following  the  hearings,  with  the  help  of 
Neil  Sampson  and  his  capable  staff  at  American  Forests,  I  worked 
closely  with  environmental,  timber,  and  labor  leaders  for  a 
balanced  and  equitable  process  which  would  allow  public 
participation,  but  within  a  time  frame  sensitive  to  the  rapid 
deterioration  of  timber  in  the  forest. 

With  this  attempt  to  resolve  the  forest  health  issue  in  the 
102nd  Congress,  it  was  the  first  time  in  many  years  that  leaders 
of  the  Audubon  Society,  The  Wilderness  Society,  the  National 
Wildlife  Federation,  the  Sierra  Club,  the  American  Forest  and 
Paper  Association,  and  the  Brotherhood  of  Carpenters,  met  in  the 
same  room  together.   And,  while  we  were  not  completely  success,  I 
am  hopeful  that  through  symposia  and  other  similar  forums,  we 
will  develop  a  solid  solution. 

In  conclusion,  health  problems  on  western  forests  are 
complex,  have  developed  over  decades,  and  many  predict  it  will 
take  decades  to  solve  the  problems.   Both  natural  conditions  and 
public  opinion  play  a  role  in  formation  of  new  forest  management 
policy,  scientists  will  keep  finding  new  ways  to  address  these 
concerns,  and  public  officials  and  decision-makers  should  not  be 
afraid  to  heed  science  and  govern. 

And  now,  in  1993,  the  stars  seem  to  be  realigning  for  yet 
another  major  change  in  forest  management  policy.   During  the 
next  few  hours,  I  hope  to  gather  information  to  help  Congress  and 
the  Administration  to  move  ahead,  with  the  involvement  of  all 
affected  parties,  to  direct  land  management  agencies  on  forest 
health  and  ecosystem  management.   I  look  forward  to  the  testimony. 


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Mr.  Rose.  Our  first  panel  is  composed  of  Dr.  Richard  Everett, 
the  science  team  leader,  Forestry  Sciences  Lab,  State  of  Washing- 
ton. He  is  accompanied  by  Dr.  Mark  Jensen.  If  you  all  will  please 
come  up  to  the  table  now. 

Dr.  Mark  Jensen  is  a  regional  soil  scientist,  U.S.  Forest  Service, 
region  I;  Dr.  Wendel  Hann  is  a  regional  ecologist  with  the  U.S.  For- 
est Service,  region  I;  Mr.  Patrick  Bourgeron,  is  a  western  regional 
ecologist  with  the  Nature  Conservancy  in  Denver;  Dr.  Steve  Arno, 
research  forester,  U.S.  Forest  Service,  Intermountain  Station;  and 
Dr.  Robert  Steele,  project  leader,  U.S.  Forest  Service,  Inter- 
mountain Station,  in  Boise.  He  is  accompanied  by  Steve  Mealey, 
the  Forest  Supervisor  from  Boise  National  Forest. 

Thank  you  all  for  being  here  and  for  giving  us  the  benefit  of  your 
wisdom  on  this  subject  area.  I  would  point  out  to  you  that  we  are 
here  to  hear  what  you  have  to  say,  but  if  you  choose  to  summarize 
your  statement  or  to  hit  the  high  points,  all  of  your  statement  will 
be  made  a  part  of  the  record.  We  have  a  rather  large  hearing  group 
to  go  through.  Anything  you  can  do  to  shorten  that  would  be  appre- 
ciated. But  please  don't  cut  out  anything  that  you  think  is  of  abso- 
lute importance  that  we  hear  with  our  own  ears. 

Dr.  Everett,  we  appreciate  you  being  here.  You  may  proceed. 

STATEMENT  OF  RICHARD  L.  EVERETT,  SCIENCE  TEAM  LEAD- 
ER, EASTSIDE  FOREST  ECOSYSTEM  HEALTH  ASSESSMENT, 
WENATCHEE  FORESTRY  SCIENCES  LABORATORY,  FOREST 
SERVICE,  U.S.  DEPARTMENT  OF  AGRICULTURE,  ACCOM- 
PANIED BY  MARK  E.  JENSEN,  REGIONAL  SOIL  SCIENTIST, 
REGION  I;  WENDEL  J.  HANN,  REGIONAL  ECOLOGIST,  REGION 
I;  AND  PATRICK  S.  BOURGERON,  WESTERN  REGIONAL 
ECOLOGIST,  THE  NATURE  CONSERVANCY 

Mr.  Everett.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the 
subcommittee.  You  have  our  full  testimony,  so  I  will  simply  sum- 
marize the  next  5  minutes. 

First,  I  thank  you  for  this  opportunity  to  discuss  forest  health  is- 
sues in  the  forests  of  Idaho  and  Washington.  Also,  we  welcome  the 
opportunity  to  discuss  the  onset  of  sustainable  ecosystem  manage- 
ment presented  in  H.R.  229,  the  National  Forest  Health  Act. 

With  me  today,  from  the  Forest  Service,  I  have  Dr.  Mark  Jensen, 
regional  soil  scientist;  Dr.  Wendel  Hann,  regional  ecologist  from 
Region  I;  and  Dr.  Patrick  Bourgeron,  western  regional  ecologist, 
the  Nature  Conservancy. 

The  information  on  forest  health  in  Idaho  has  been  presented  to 
this  subcommittee  by  numerous  experts,  and  more  expert  testi- 
mony will  follow  today.  Declining  forest  health  is  widespread  in  the 
interior  forests  of  the  Pacific  Northwest.  The  recently  completed 
forest  health  ecosystem  assessment  as  requested  by  Speaker  Foley 
and  Senator  Hatfield  reports  on  similar  problems  in  eastern  Or- 
egon and  Washington. 

Forest  health  problems  are  not  restricted  to  disease  or  insect 
damaged  trees,  but  cover  a  broad  spectrum  of  issues  that  include, 
but  are  not  limited  to,  erosion,  livestock  grazing,  excess  forest  fuels, 
fisheries,  water  quality,  air  quality,  wildlife  habitat,  and  sensitive 
plant  and  animal  species. 


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Although  we  do  not  discount  the  seriousness  of  the  current  forest 
health  situation,  we  suggest  it  is  simply  the  symptom.  Managing 
for  sustainable  forest  ecosystems  is  the  long-term  issue  that  must 
be  addressed.  Ecosystems  are  dynamic.  Forests  in  the  interior 
Northwest  are  subject  to  an  array  of  natural  disturbances,  such  as 
fire,  disease,  insects,  drought,  flood,  and  severe  windstorms. 

I  wish  to  emphasize  the  next  sentence  specifically.  The  conserva- 
tion of  disturbance  effects  is  as  important  as  the  conservation  of 
unique  habitats  and  species  in  designing  sustainable  ecosystems. 
Human  expectations  and  values  are  an  integral  part  of  sustainable 
ecosystems. 

Sustainable  ecosystems  are  defined  as  the  overlap  of  the  biologi- 
cal capacity  of  the  system  with  the  values  and  expectations  of  the 
public,  and  the  technology  and  economic  capability  to  achieve  that 
desired  state. 

The  findings  of  the  site  assessment  suggest  that  past  manage- 
ment practices  and  accompanied  forest  response  have  adversely  im- 
pacted the  sustainabiHty  of  forest  ecosystems.  They  all  treat  the 
disturbance  processes  and  landscape  characteristics.  Fire  suppres- 
sion has  significantly  altered  the  fire  regimes  in  those  forests  that 
historically  burn  frequently  but  with  low  intensity. 

Timber  harvest  practices  have  significantly  altered  species  com- 
position, forest  structure,  and  increased  forest  fragmentation.  All 
eastside  forests  are  not  threatened  by  insects  or  disease,  nor  are 
they  all  at  immediate  risk  for  catastrophic  fire. 

Declining  forest  health  varies  across  the  landscape  in  extent  and 
intensity.  Large-scale  insect  outbreaks  and  disease  epidemics  are 
evident  in  many  watersheds,  but  they  are  also  absent  in  others. 

Disturbance  regimes,  fire,  insect,  and  disease  have  been  signifi- 
cantly altered  by  effective  fire  suppression  on  sites  prone  to  fre- 
quent, low,  and  moderate  to  severe  fires.  Ecosystem  management 
is  suggested  as  a  means  to  improve  forest  health.  We  describe  that 
in  volume  2. 

Ecosystem  management  is  an  experiment.  With  uncertainties  of 
ecosystems  characteristics  and  function,  and  also  public  values  and 
expectations,  an  adaptive  management  approach  is  required  that 
recognizes  these  uncertainties  and  requires  that  the  current  bio- 
logical and  social  knowledge  base  be  stated,  that  is,  sustainable 
ecosystem  management  strategy  be  developed  and  then  continually 
tested  and  adjusted  as  new  information  becomes  available. 

A  myriad  of  disturbance  processes  create  and  maintain 
ecosystems  in  a  constant  state  of  shifting  vegetation  patterns 
across  the  landscape.  These  patterns  have  historically  provided  the 
habitat  that  supports  species  and  processes  that  people  value  in 
forest  ecosystems.  The  use  of  natural  or  historical  ranges  of  varia- 
bility in  ecosystems  attributes  provides  a  reference  point,  but  only 
a  reference  point  for  evaluating  sustainabiHty  of  current  forest 
ecosystems. 

Disturbance  effects  that  create  and  maintain  ecosystems  also 
provide  insight  into  the  potential  resource  flows  that  can  be  derived 
from  forests  in  the  process  of  maintaining  desired  ecosystems. 

There  are  opportunities  to  improve  forest  health  and  sustain- 
abiHty of  ecosystems  through  management  activities:  The  use  of 
silviculture  practices  when  appropriate  to  remove  excess  small  di- 


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ameter  timber,  and  also  to  reduce  fuel  loading  and  restore  historic 
stand  structure;  the  reintroduction  of  fire  and  other  ecological  proc- 
esses into  forest  ecosystems  in  a  manner  that  reduces  hazard  for 
catastrophic  fires,  insect  and  disease  outbreak,  and  conserving  the 
long-term  site  productivity  and  biodiversity  of  the  forests. 

In  summary,  several  desirable  management  concepts  are  found 
in  H.R.  229,  the  National  Forest  Health  Act,  including  forest  man- 
agement for  ecosystems  as  well  as  commodities  to  conserve  future 
biological  options  and  meet  future  public  values  and  expectations; 
the  use  of  historical  conditions  as  management  reference  points; 
the  retention  of  deadwood  as  legacies  for  future  forests;  and  com- 
bining multiple-management  practices  into  a  coordinated  effort  to 
improve  forest  health  and  sustainability  of  ecosystems. 

Improved  forest  health  depends  upon  the  development  of  sustain- 
able ecosystems  and  the  designing  of  landscapes  for  positive  cumu- 
lative effects  from  each  management  activity.  Forest  health 
projects  should  represent  the  immediate  step  in  long-term  planning 
to  provide  for  sustainable  ecosystems.  The  planning  process  will  re- 
quire inventory  and  analysis  of  information  on  current  historical 
potential  landscape  conditions  at  several  hierarchical  landscape 
scales. 

We  support  accelerated  investment  in  ecosystem  management 
and  the  short-term  forest  health  projects  that  support  the  long- 
term  objective.  Comprehensive  inventory  and  analysis  is  required 
to  evaluate  where  the  two  activities  are  in  unison. 

That  concludes  our  statement.  We  welcome  any  questions  you 
may  have. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Everett  appears  at  the  conclu- 
sion of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you  very  much,  Dr.  Everett. 

I  take  it  that  your  accompanying  party  is  available  for  questions, 
mainly. 

Mr.  Everett.  They  certainly  are. 

Mr.  Rose.  Do  any  of  you  have  your  own  statements? 

[No  response.] 

Mr.  Rose.  We  will  now  turn  to  Dr.  Steve  Arno,  Research  For- 
ester, U.S.  Forest  Service,  Intermountain  Research. 

I  believe  you  have  a  combined  statement  with  Dr.  Steele? 

Mr.  Arno.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Rose.  Dr.  Steele  is  the  Project  Leader,  U.S.  Forest  Service. 
You  will  read  together  or  separately? 

Mr.  Arno.  We  would  like  to  split  it. 

Mr.  Rose.  All  right.  Go  right  ahead. 

STATEMENT  OF  STEPHEN  F.  ARNO,  RESEARCH  FORESTER, 
INTERMOUNTAIN  RESEARCH  STATION,  FOREST  SERVICE, 
U.S.  DEPARTMENT  OF  AGRICULTURE,  MISSOULA,  MT;  ROB- 
ERT STEELE,  PROJECT  LEADER,  INTERMOUNTAIN  RE- 
SEARCH STATION,  FOREST  SERVICE,  BOISE,  ID;  ACCOM- 
PANIED BY  STEVE  MEALEY,  FOREST  SUPERVISOR,  BOISE 
NATIONAL  FOREST 

Mr.  Arno.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman,  and  members  of  the  sub- 
committee, for  this  opportunity.   I  would  like  to  read  the  back- 


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ground  information  for  this  statement,  and  Dr.  Steele  will  proceed 
with  the  recommendations. 

As  far  as  an  overview,  what  I  am  going  to  state  in  fairly  simple 
words,  I  hope,  is  repetition  in  the  sense  of  something  that  is  now 
widely  recognized,  but  hasn't  been  in  the  past,  and  we  still  have 
to  cope  with  it,  and  that  is  that  in  Idaho,  as  in  much  of  the  West- 
ern United  States,  east  of  the  Cascade  Mountains,  we  have  a  vast 
area  of  national  forest  whose  ecology  is  closely  related  to  the 
changes  in  the  role  of  fire. 

It  is  a  semiarid  region,  and  prior  to  1900,  fires  burned  unchecked 
every  year  through  summer  and  early  autumn  for  months  at  a 
time,  covering  millions  of  acres,  over  a  landscape  that  was  not 
tilled,  was  not  irrigated,  it  was  not  developed,  and  therefore  fire 
was  able  to  spread  over  vast  areas. 

The  Lusan  Tar  expedition  found  when  they  came  through  the 
area  in  the  early  1800's  that  there  were  10  large  wildfires  they  re- 
ported on  at  the  time  of  their  passage. 

The  Intermountain  Research  Station  scientists  and  other  sci- 
entists have  studied  the  historic  frequency  of  these  fires  by  dating 
annual  growth  rings  associated  with  fire  wounds  on  ancient  trees 
as  well  as  charcoal  layers  deposited  in  ponds. 

I  have  an  exhibit  here  which  I  would  like  to  pass  to  the  commit- 
tee which  is  a  cross-section  of  a  ponderosa  pine.  It  shows  a  typical 
sequence  of  fire  wounds  on  this  tree. 

Between  1559  and  the  early  1900's,  there  were  21  different  fires 
that  scarred  that  tree,  and  there  were  several  other  fires  that 
didn't  scar  the  tree  but  scarred  nearby  trees.  Evidently  the  fuels 
were  so  light  that  even  though  this  tree  was  already  scarred,  not 
every  fire  was  recorded  on  it. 

This  is  the  kind  of  thing  we  find  in  every  Western  State  that  has 
these  inland  semiarid  forest  types.  This  record  of  frequent  fire  goes 
back  at  least  a  couple  of  thousand  years.  The  fire  wounds  that  were 
recorded  in  these  kinds  of  forests  are  at  intervals  of  5  to  30  years. 
This  high  frequency  of  burning  maintained  low  levels  of  fuel,  and 
fires  then  burned  mainly  along  the  ground  rather  than  in  tree 
crowns. 

This  kind  of  fire  generally  killed  only  small  trees  and  the  fire 
susceptible  species.  So  it  perpetuated  open  park-like  stands  of  fire- 
resistant  trees,  ponderosa  pines,  for  instance.  These  species  and 
those  kinds  of  open  stands  are  very  resistant  to  insect  and  disease 
problems. 

At  higher  elevations,  where  there  is  poor  moisture,  fire  was  also 
playing  a  role,  but  it  was  more  of  a  crazy  quilt  pattern.  Fires  oc- 
curred at  longer  intervals,  between  40  and  150  in  200  years,  and 
left  a  mosaic  on  the  landscape  of  fire-killed  trees,  as  well  as 
nonlethal  underburned  areas  in  between. 

The  fire-adaptive  species  were  favored  by  this  crazy  quilt  pattern 
of  fire. 

Since  the  early  1900's,  fire  suppression  has  become  effective  at 
controlling  the  low  and  moderate  intensity  fires.  It  isn't  effective  in 
controlling  severe  fires.  Because  we  can  control  the  low  and  mod- 
erate intensity  fires,  this  has  led  to  the  development  of  dense 
stands  of  trees  which  are  now  highly  vulnerable  to  disease  and  in- 
sect epidemics. 


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Ironically,  they  now  have  fuel  buildup  which  makes  them  suscep- 
tible to  severe  wildfires.  I  have  here  a  photo  comparison  of  a  site 
which  is  viewed  in  the  early  1900's  and  the  1920's  and  50  years 
later,  and  you  can  see  the  thickening  of  forest  fuels  in  a  formerly 
open  stand  by  the  1920's.  There  were  already  Christmas-tree-Hke 
conifers  approaching,  but  by  the  1900's,  we  have  a  very  dense 
stand,  much  more  than  the  fuel  and  much  more  living  tree  volume 
than  the  site  can  sustain. 

Then  I  have  another  photograph  of  the  1980's  and  1990's  condi- 
tion of  many  of  these  forests.  The  dense  understory  trees  are  hit 
by  a  variety  of  insect  and  disease  problems,  and  they  are  dying, 
and  wildfire  is  now  ever  more  of  a  threat,  because  we  have  a  wall 
of  fuel  in  an  ideal  arrangement  for  burning  under  very  severe  con- 
ditions. 

The  Forest  Service  is  now  taking  a  broader  view.  As  we  are  try- 
ing to  initiate  management  of  the  forest's  ecosystems,  some  activity 
by  insects  and  disease  is  a  normal  part  of  the  ecological  process; 
but  when  the  insect  and  disease  activity  levels  exceed  the  normal 
range  of  variation  for  a  particular  ecosystem,  then  a  forest  health 
problem  exists. 

The  historic  range  of  fire  intervals  has  now  been  greatly  ex- 
ceeded in  the  drier  forests  where  ponderosa  pine  once  dominated. 
This  ecosystem  makes  up  a  major  portion  of  the  Boise  National 
Forest  and  is  extensive  in  Idaho  and  neighboring  States. 

The  Boise  National  Forest  has  recently  experienced  record  levels 
of  several  tree-killing  insects  such  as  Douglas-fir  beetle,  western 
pine  beetle,  fir  engraver  beetle,  and  Douglas-fir  tussock  moth. 

I  would  like  to  point  out.  Dr.  Steele  will  carry  on  the  presen- 
tation, but  there  has  been  one  publication  by  the  Forest  Service 
that  deals  with  forest  health  in  the  Blue  Mountains,  "A  Manage- 
ment Strategy  for  Fire-Adapted  Ecosystems,"  that  gives  technical 
advice  for  this  kind  of  situation,  and  in  an  ecosystem  management 
fashion  or  viewpoint. 

I  would  just  like  to  pass  that  on  to  the  subcommittee. 

[The  publication  is  held  in  the  committee  files.] 

Mr.  Steele.  Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the  subcommittee, 
thank  you  for  this  opportunity  to  talk  about  the  forest  health  prob- 
lem in  Idaho  as  it  relates  throughout  the  West.  I  am  going  to  sim- 
ply conclude  this  testimony  with  some  statements  about  how  we 
can  fix  this  problem. 

Mr.  Rose.  I  don't  want  to  interrupt  to  ask  questions,  but  what 
you  might  talk  about  as  we  go  along  here  is  what  policies  did  we 
follow  that  made  that  happen  in  the  first  place.  Just  kind  of  so  we 
have  that  in — fixing  the  problem  I  want  to  know  about,  but  I  also 
want  to  know  how  it  happened  in  the  first  place. 

Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Steele.  Mr.  Chairman,  in  terms  of  how  it  happened  in  the 
first  place.  Dr.  Amo's  testimony  talked  about  the  role  of  fire  and 
how  the  natural  processes  worked. 

Mr.  Rose.  When  was  the  decision  made  to  change,  and  why? 

We  can  put  you  under  oath,  if  you  want  to,  if  you  don't  want  to 
testify  without — I  am  being  facetious,  of  course.  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Steele.  There  really  was  no  decision.  It  was  just  an  accumu- 
lation of  activities  over  time  that  has  resulted  in  the  problems  we 


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have.  They  largely  stem  from  the  accumulated  effects  of  fire  control 
which  has  interrupted  the  natural  processes,  as  Dr.  Arno  has  de- 
scribed, and  some  of  the  logging  practices  that  took  place  in  the 
early  days,  by  removing  the  early  species  and  leaving  climax  and 
other  disease  susceptible  species. 

Mr.  Rose.  So  in  this  picture  right  here,  you  would  have  said  that 
these  beautiful  trees  were  then  cut  down? 

Mr.  Steele.  Yes,  sir.  That  was  the  case. 

Mr.  Rose.  That  was  kind  of  the  start  of  it? 

Mr.  Steele.  That  plus  the  control  of  these  frequent  low  intensity 
fires  that  were  coming  through  on  a  10  to  30-year  cycle,  and  not 
only  reducing  the  amount  of  fuels  thereby  preventing  large  destruc- 
tive fires,  but  also  keeping  the  stand  in  an  open  condition,  such  as 
the  photograph  here,  as  far  as  maintaining  stands  in  this  kind  of 
condition,  which  keeps  them  in  a  situation  so  that  with  the  low  fuel 
loadings,  fires  are  not  able  to  bum  destructively  very  often  in  these 
conditions. 

We  also  have  evidence  of  recent  studies  that  show  these  open 
grown  trees,  there  are  fewer  of  them  on  the  site,  each  one  has  more 
space,  sunlight,  nutrients,  and  moisture.  They  are  able  to  resist  in- 
sect attacks  more  readily. 

Mr.  Peterson.  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Rose.  Yes,  sir.  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Peterson.  Why  did  people  start  stopping  this  burning?  Be- 
cause the  population  started  to — houses  started  to  be  built?  Why 
were  they  putting  out  these  fires?  What  happened  there  that 
changed? 

Mr.  Rose.  Let  me  ask  it  another  way.  Was  there  clearcutting? 

Mr.  Steele.  In  the  early  days,  there  was  not  clearcutting.  The 
clearcutting  came  a  little  later. 

To  answer  Mr.  Peterson's  question,  the  fires  were,  I  think,  per- 
ceived as  bad. 

Mr.  Peterson.  By  whom? 

Mr.  Steele.  By  the  people  who  were  settling  the  country. 

Mr.  Peterson.  What  time  would  this  have  been? 

Mr.  Steele.  This  would  have  been  starting  in  the  late  1800's  and 
then  on  into  the  early  1900's,  then  we  began  organized  fire  control, 
and  from  that  time  on,  fire  control  activities  began  to  become  effec- 
tive by  controlling  these  low  to  moderate  intensity  fires. 

Mr.  Peterson.  And  they  perceived  them  as  bad  because  they 
threatened 

Mr.  Steele.  Threatened  homes  and  timber. 

Mr.  Peterson.  But  now  you  are  saying  they  are  not  bad? 

Mr.  Steele.  We  are  saying  they  still  threaten  homes.  We  do 
need  to  control  fire.  What  we  are  saying  is  that  the  interruption — 
the  consequences  of  the  interruption  of  the  fire  cycle  has  resulted 
in  dense  stands  that  are  now  more  resistant  to — more  susceptible 
to  insects  and  disease  and  devastating  wildfire,  whereas  in  that 
photograph,  that  stand  condition  was  much  less  susceptible. 

Mr.  Peterson.  But  at  the  time 

Mr.  Steele.  They  didn't  understand  that. 

Mr.  Peterson.  They  didn't  understand  that? 

Mr.  Steele.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Peterson.  So  we  have  developed  this  situation. 


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Mr.  Steele.  Yes,  sir. 

Mr.  Rose.  Do  you  want  to  add  a  quick  answer? 

Mr.  Arno.  Yes.  I  have  studied  quite  a  bit  of  the  history  of  this 
fire  problem  that  we  have  gotten  into,  and  I  think  more  than  any- 
thing it  was  concepts  of  European  forestry  that  were  brought  to 
this  country  by  Gifford  Pinchot  and  others  in  the  late  1800's,  that 
fit  fairly  well  for  human  forests,  human  environment  forests,  but 
they  didn't  work  well  in  the  semiarid  interior  West,  which  had  this 
frequent  fire  situation. 

There  was  also  a  lot  of  indiscriminate  burning  going  on,  and 
there  was  no  fire  control  technology.  Today  we  have  a  technology 
for  using  fire  in  a  prescribed  fashion  and  doing  what  we  want  to 
with  fire.  That  kind  of  technology  did  not  exist  in  the  early  days. 

I  think  there  are  a  whole  variety  of  reasons  that  fire  was  viewed 
as  an  alien  factor.  People  in  Europe  were  not  used  to  fire  in  their 
forests.  That  is  where  forestry  was  born  and  has  evolved  over  a 
long  time  period. 

However,  over  the  last  few  decades,  there  has  been  virtually,  I 
believe,  a  very  strong  consensus  that  we  see  that,  as  you  have 
heard  many  speakers  here  today  already  say,  that  fire  is  necessary 
in  these  western  forests,  but  that  it  has  to  be  a  prescribed  fire  in 
the  sense  that  we  have  to  be  able  to  control  that  fire. 

Mr.  Steele.  I  have  one  more  comment,  Mr.  Chairman. 

There  are  other  ways  to  treat  this  sick  ecosystem  besides  just 
using  fire.  We  can  compensate  the  ecosystem  by  thinning  the 
stands  either  commercially  or  precommercially  so  as  to  create  a 
stand  composition  and  stand  density  similar  to  that  last  photo  we 
just  showed,  to  get  back  to  what  nature  has  shown  us  to  be  a  more 
healthy,  more  resistant  model  for  these  particular  dry  forests. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  my  time  is  about  up.  My  full  testimony 
is  on  the  record. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Arno  and  Mr.  Steele  appears  at 
the  conclusion  of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you. 

Mr.  LaRocco. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Can  I  follow  up  on  what  Dr.  Steele  was  just  say- 
ing? 

With  silvicultural  practices  to  thin,  at  what  time  would  you  enter 
a  stand  that  has  one  species  as  a  result  of  prior  fire  or  prior  logging 
activities?  At  what  point  are  you  talking  about  this  thinning  oper- 
ation? 

Mr.  Steele.  Congressman,  I  think  the  key  here  in  terms  of  de- 
ciding when  to  enter  the  stand  would  be  determined  by  the  stand 
condition.  We  are  using  the  term  "normal  range  of  variability"  now- 
adays as  a  model  for — or  a  guideline  for  deciding  when  a  stand 
needs  some  management  help.  If  the  stand  condition  has  proceeded 
successionally  beyond  that  which  was  maintained  normally  by  the 
recurring  fires,  in  other  words,  it  has  become  more  dense  and  has 
a  stronger  component  of  the  late  serai  climax  species,  which  are 
more  susceptible  to  insects  and  disease,  then  we  would  say  it  is 
time  to  do  something  with  that  stand,  to  turn  it  back  to  the  last 
photo,  similar  to  the  last  photo,  so  it  is  within  its  normal  range  of 
variability  again,  and  remains  healthy. 

Mr.  Peterson.  Mr.  Chairman 


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Mr.  Rose.  We  are  really  through  with  the  panel,  and  now  it  is 
time  for  questions,  so  the  field  is  open. 

Mr.  Peterson,  the  field  is  yours. 

Mr.  Peterson.  If  I  could,  I  don't  claim  to  understand  a  whole  lot 
about  this,  but  as  I  understand  what  is  happening  now,  because  we 
don't  have  as  much  fire  or  whatever,  we  have  dead  trees  and  we 
have  other  kinds  of  less  desirable  trees  that  are  in  these  stands, 
and  evidently  they  are  not — how  do  you  go  about  getting  those 
dead  trees  and  getting  those  other  trees  out  of  there? 

Is  it  economically  viable  to  do  that?  Do  people  want  to  do  that? 
Do  you  have  to  force  them  to  do  it?  What  is  the  process?  If  you 
can't  burn  it,  is  there  some  way  you  can  do  this,  or  does  the  current 
policy  stop  you  from  doing  this? 

Mr.  Steele.  I  would  defer  that  question  to  Mr.  Mealey  here. 

Mr.  Mealey.  Congressman,  I  understand  your  question  to  be  the 
process  for  salvaging  trees. 

Mr.  Peterson.  Well,  that,  and  also  maybe  cleaning  them  out  be- 
fore they  are  dead. 

As  I  understand  it,  there  are  some  problems  getting  that  accom- 
plished. I  just  want  to  better  understand  what  the  situation  is, 
whether  people  want  to  do  this  or  whether  you  have  to  entice  them 
to  do  it. 

Mr.  Mealey.  Let  me  give  a  couple  of  examples.  I  have  been  on 
this  forest  about  2  years,  and  we  have  salvaged  about  300  million 
board  feet  of  dead  and  dying  trees.  Those  probably  died  without 
killing  very  many  with  powersaws,  I  might  add.  Most  of  those  trees 
have  been  harvested  with  the  use  of  helicopters. 

The  point  here  is  that  the  values  of  the  trees  are  such  that  they 
can  be  harvested,  even  dead  and  dying  trees  can  be  harvested  eco- 
nomically without  growth. 

The  point  here  is  that  access  is  minimized,  access  difficulties  are 
minimized  both  environmentally  and  from  a  construction  stand- 
point because  of  increased  values  and  because  of  the  strong  de- 
mand for  these  resources.  That  has  been  our  experience  in  the  last 
couple  of  years.  I  would  have  to  say  that  it  is  principally  a  result 
of  market  value  of  the  product. 

So  our  principal  method,  80  percent  of  that  volume,  has  been  ex- 
tracted by  helicopter  systems,  so  access  hasn't  been  a  significant 
problem. 

As  far  as  green  trees  are  concerned,  using  thinning  methods  to 
do  precommercial  thinning  and  commercial  thinning,  we  are  not 
into  that  mode  as  strongly  as  I  would  like  to  be,  frankly.  Much  of 
our  precommercial  thinning  will  be  done  in  plantations  that  were 
made  in  the  last  decade  or  so,  so  access  is  not  a  difficulty. 

As  far  as  commercial  thinning  is  concerned,  again,  we  have  op- 
portunities to  thin  using  technology,  aerial  technology,  helicopters, 
and  again,  this  is  a  function  of  market  price. 

We  didn't  discover  thinning  in  1993.  On  this  forest,  10  to  15 
years  ago,  there  was  an  effort  to  thin  the  forest.  The  base  rates 
then  were  $6  to  $8  per  thousand.  It  simply  couldn't  be  done  eco- 
nomically. Today  the  same  products  can  be  sold  for  $300  to  $400 
per  thousand.  Frankly,  folks  are  eager  to  buy  any  sales  that  we 
offer.  And  again,  the  technologies  that  are  available  make  that  very 
feasible. 


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Mr.  Peterson.  Mr.  Chairman,  if  I  could  just  follow  up,  if  it  is 
feasible  and  if  the  market  is  there,  is  it  happening?  Are  you  going 
to  be  able  to  go  in  and  thin  this  out,  clean  out  the  dead  and  dying 
timber  and  fix  this  problem? 

Mr.  Mealey.  We  have  a  very  strong  intent  to  do  that,  Congress- 
man. I  want  to  say  I  have  in  front  of  me  a  little  brochure  that  out- 
lines the  Boise  forest  health  strategy.  There  are  three  pieces  to 
that  strategy.  The  first  is  to  salvage  dead  and  dying  trees,  and  be- 
cause of  the  magnitude  of  the  problem,  that  is  what  we  have  been 
doing  the  last  couple  years. 

Mr.  Peterson.  How  much  of  the  forest,  10  percent  or 

Mr.  Mealey.  I  will  say  in  the  last  5  years  probably  500,000  trees 
have  been  killed  by  bark  beetle,  perhaps  250,000  acres  have  been 
defoliated  by  tussock  moth,  and  perhaps  more  dramatically,  in  the 
last  5  years  some  56,000  acres  per  year  are  burning  in  wildfires. 

Now,  the  previous  average,  the  previous  30-year  average  was 
3,000  acres  per  year.  So  something  has  gone  haywire  here,  you  can 
tell,  dramatically  and  radically.  What  we  have  been  doing  here  in 
the  last  couple  of  years  is  dealing  with  salvage,  dealing  with  dead 
and  dying  trees.  It  is  a  function  of  workforce  and  how  much  you 
can  put  on  the  market  and  salvage  quickly. 

This  last  year,  the  Boise  Forest  will  have  salvaged  approximately 
180  million  board  feet.  Much  of  that  is  off  the  Foothills  fire  salvage, 
some  300  million  board  feet  were  killed  by  fire.  We  have  sold  about 
130  million  board  feet  to  this  point  at  a  value  of  some  $45  million. 
In  terms  of  getting  that  thing  done,  that  means  I  start — it  isn't  like 
a  green  sale  program  where  you  have  a  pipeline. 

The  more  important  thing  is  dealing  with  the  green  stands  that 
are  still  alive.  We  do  that  through  commercial  and  precommercial 
thinning.  Because  of  our  efforts  at  salvage,  we  haven't  moved  into 
that.  We  wanted  to  go  there  next,  aggressively. 

Mr.  Peterson.  Do  you  have  an  estimate,  how  much  of  the  prob- 
lem you  have  solved? 

Mr.  Mealey.  From  the  standpoint  of  the  salvage,  how  much  of 
the  dead  trees  have  we  actually  salvaged?  I  would  say  as  far  as  the 
high-quality  commercial  value  that  we  could  do  in  an  environ- 
mentally sensitive  way  that  meets  the  standards  of  law  and  the 
public's  tolerance  and  our  professional  responsibility,  I  would  say 
probably  85  percent. 

I  think  we  have  gotten  a  big  dose  of  it.  But  yesterday,  I  want 
to  say,  we  made  a  flight  with  the  staff  that  is  all  here,  a  great  trip 
yesterday.  We  flew  from  Lowman  in  the  helicopter  due  south  back 
to  prairie.  I  was  shocked  at  the  amount  of  new  dead  trees  I  saw. 
So  it  looks  like  we  are  in  for  another  round  as  we  go  look  at  it. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you. 

Let  me  get  to  a  broader  question  than  just  salvaging.  I  am  sure 
that  is  something  you  have  worked  on  a  lot,  but  I  want  to  know, 
is  there  a  forest  health  emergency?  What  do  we  do  about  it,  and 
how  do  we  assure  people  that  by  using  the  term  "forest  health 
emergency,"  we  are  not  trying  to  just  return  to  old  forest  practices 
with  a  new  name  on  top  of  it,  which  I  think  we  will  talk  about  after 
you  all  take  your  seats. 

Do  you  like  Congressman  LaRocco's  approach  to  it? 


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Mr.  Jensen.  The  bill  is  fine.  It  is  in  how  we  assess  emergency 
status  and  health.  To  do  that  we  have  to  fiilly  embrace  the  sci- 
entific concepts  that  underlie  ecosystem  management.  These  are 
summarized  in  the  volumes  which  Rich  Everett  has  provided  to  the 
group  here. 

There  were  120  scientists  fi-om  across  the  country  which  worked 
on  this  particular  project.  I  think  the  scientific  basis  is  there  to  do 
it. 

What  is  missing  fi-om  our  discussion  right  now  is  scale.  I  am  very 
concerned  about  the  scale  here.  What  is  a  disturbance,  what  is  a 
health  problem  at  one  scale  is  not  a  health  problem  at  another 
scale.  In  fact,  it  may  be  necessary.  So  it  is  critical  that  we  look  at 
these  systems,  our  problems  today.  If  we  look  at  water  quality  in 
the  inner  mountain,  great  basin  areas,  it  is  because  we  have  tradi- 
tionally done  all  our  treatments  looking  at  timber  stands. 

We  have  never  backed  up  to  understand  the  concepts  of  those 
treatments,  logical  watershed  boundaries  to  define  the  ecosystem. 

Now  we  have  problems  with  sedimentation.  We  never  would 
have  detected  that  if  we  continued  to  look  at  the  stands.  The  same 
thing  applies  with  forest  health.  Within  a  watershed  you  may  have 
disease  problems.  At  that  scale,  you  would  say  you  have  a  health 
emergency.  But  if  you  look  at  a  broader  regional  river  basin  con- 
text, a  certain  percentage  of  that  landscape  did  have  insect  and  dis- 
ease, creating  a  young  habitat  that  was  critical  for  certain  species. 

There  is  no  discussion  of  scale  in  this  bill,  and  there  are  major 
implications  as  to  how  we  make  this  statement  of  emergency.  I  am 
very  concerned  that  if  that  is  done  strictly  at  a  district  level  of  the 
Forest  Service,  we  are  going  to  have  the  same  problems  we  have 
had  in  the  past.  We  are  not  providing  the  proper  context  to  make 
that  assessment. 

Mr.  Rose.  Can  it  be  made  in  a  bigger  context? 

Mr.  Jensen.  It  certainly  can.  That  is  why  we  need  to  start  orga- 
nizing. 

As  Dr.  Everett  emphasized,  there  is  a  process  that  has  not  been 
discussed  that  is  critical  to  making  sure  we  are  in  fact  improving 
ecosystems.  The  current  language,  and  we  all  agree  with  the  prin- 
ciples, historic  availability  ranges  give  us  an  initial  template  to  as- 
sess sustainability.  But  how  do  you  know  that? 

You  can  justify  a  lot  of  bad  practices  by  taking  one  or  two  points, 
like  taking  those  particular  photos  and  looking  at  one  snapshot, 
one  point  56  years  ago,  current,  and  say,  based  on  this,  we  need 
to  do  treatments.  It  is  much  bigger  than  that.  You  have  to  look  at 
some  different  scales,  regional  scale,  down  to  forest  level-type 
scales,  down  to  district  scale,  tiered  analysis,  feeding  down  to  iden- 
tify where  the  problems  are  on  a  statewide  basis. 

Mr.  Rose.  That  is  a  very  helpful  comment.  I  would  also  observe 
that  when  you  put  the  word  "emergency"  in  a  bill,  to  people  with 
concerns  that  you  and  environmental  people  have,  the  word  "emer- 
gency" is  sort  of  a  signal  that  says  we  are  going  to  suspend  the  nor- 
mal administrative  safeguards  that  are  usually  in  place  in  forest 
rules  and  regulations,  and  that  causes  some  problems. 

Would  you  care  to  speak  to  that,  or  anybody  here,  would  you  care 
to  talk  about  that  suspension  of  normal  administrative 


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Mr.  Mealey.  Mr.  Chairman,  I  would  like  to  take  a  quick  shot  at 
your  first  question,  and  then  an  answer — take  a  shot  at  answering 
that  one.  You  ask,  is  there  an  emergency?  That  is  clearly,  as  you 
find  out,  a  subject  of  debate. 

Mr.  Rose.  I  think  the  greater  emergency,  I  feel,  is  get  Mr. 
LaRocco's  bill  passed,  you  understand.  Whether  it  keeps — I  don't 
want  the  safeguard  system  wrecked.  He  doesn't  either.  But  by  call- 
ing it  an  emergency,  I  think  we  can  get  it  through  the  House  a  lot 
quicker,  and  I  think  we  want  you  to  tell  us  how  you  feel  about,  if 
there  is  an  emergency,  where  is  it.  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Mealey.  It  is  my  opinion  that  the  Boise  National  Forest  and 
I  will  limit  my  comment  to  that  forest  area  which  I  have  some  re- 
sponsibility and  knowledge  for,  has  conditions  that  are  occurring 
which  haven't  occurred  before,  and  that  is  we  have  gone  from  a  fire 
regime  which  was  high  frequency,  low  intensity,  to  a  frequency 
that  is  high  frequency,  high  intensity. 

In  regard  to  the  Foothills  fire  last  year,  we  can  talk  for  hours 
about  the  effects  of  it,  but  as  I  said  before,  the  dramatic  effects  are 
that  30  years  average  in  wildfire  acreage  was  3,000  per  year  from 
1955  to  1985.  Something  is  wrong.  Is  that  an  emergency?  I  think 
it  is.  We  have  had  in  the  last  5  years  half  a  million  trees  killed 
by  bark  beetles. 

In  the  same  period,  we  have  had  a  quarter  million  acres  defoli- 
ated by  tussock  moth.  This  tells  me  that  we  have  something  we 
have  to  deal  with.  I  don't  frankly  need  a  whole  bunch  more  data 
to  tell  me  that.  I  think  there  is  an  emergency. 

Mr.  Rose.  Do  you  like  our  bill's  approach  to  deal  with  it? 

Mr.  Mealey.  I  think  it  does  that  in  a  thoughtful  way.  I  don't 
want  to  say  I  don't  want  to  collect  data  in  a  thoughtful  way.  That 
is  an  important  thing  to  do,  and  I  am  a  trained  scientist  and  be- 
lieve that.  But  there  are  some  things  happening  out  there  on  the 
ground  that  haven't  happened  before,  think. 

Second,  how  are  we  going  to  respond  to  that?  Is  it  going  to  be 
business  as  usual?  Is  this  a  Trojan  horse,  just  to  do  the  same  old 
practices  we  have  done  in  the  past?  That  is  what  I  wanted  to  re- 
spond to.  Right  now  in  the  Boise  National  Forest  we  have  two  draft 
environmental  impact  statements.  That  is  not  accurate. 

We  have  one  environmental  assessment  completed  on  the  logging 
gulch  timber  sale,  which  is  a  green  sale  near  an  inventory  area, 
and  the  other  one  is  Spruce  Creek,  which  we  are  about  to  finish 
up  the  environmental  impact  statement. 

These  are  different  habitat  types.  One  is  Douglas-fir,  the  other 
is  grand  fir.  They  are  very  different  ecosystems,  but  our  culture 
isn't  business  as  usual.  We  are  going  in  on  acres,  on  up  to  3,000 
acres,  and  we  are  practicing  a  low  intensity  silviculture.  We  are 
going  to  take  Douglas-fir  and  grand  fir  and  select  for  more  resilient 
species  of  ponderosa  pine. 

We  are  going  to  enhance  habitat  for  bull  trout.  We  are  doing  that 
in  silvicultural  ways  we  have  never  done  before.  I  am  also  pleased 
to  say  we  got  through  the  appeal  period  with  no  appeals  from  our 
folks  in  Idaho.  A  lot  of  folks  who  weren't  wild  about  that  program 
are  in  the  room. 


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We  did  have  two  appeals,  both  from  Montana.  So  we  can  work 
together  and  figure  out  how  to  solve  these  things  silviculturally, 
and  we  have  already  demonstrated  that. 

It  is  not  business  as  usual.  It  is  a  very  different  approach  to 
management  of  stands.  No  clearcuts,  except  in  a  few  cases. 

Mr.  Rose.  Dr.  Everett,  did  you  have  a  comment? 

Mr.  Everett.  Just  if  we  approach  this  as  an  emergency  situa- 
tion, our  response  should  be  an  opportunity  to  invest  in  the  sus- 
tainability  of  future  forests.  It  is  an  opportunity,  and  we  ought  to 
recognize  that.  We  should  build  for  long-term  forests. 

Mr.  Rose.  Do  other  members  have  questions? 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Dr.  Jensen,  you  had  mentioned  dealing  with  the 
scale  issue.  You  are  the  scientist,  and  we  are  the  lawmakers,  but 
do  you  feel  that  this  bill  or  any  legislation  can  address  the  scale 
issue,  and  then  make  it  reasonable  to  the  land  managers  on  the 
ground  if  we  move  ahead  in  this  regard?  Do  you  think  we  can  ad- 
dress that  scale? 

Mr.  Jensen.  Yes,  and  we  are  currently  doing  that  on  a  number 
of  national  forests.  What  Rich  is  talking  about,  it  is  critical.  In  our 
previous  planning  we  had  static  notions  of  landscapes.  We  assumed 
when  we  scheduled  allowable  sale  quantity,  we  said,  here  is  a  vol- 
ume, and  we  scheduled  out  over  the  next  50  years. 

Well,  landscapes  change.  Ecosystem.s  are  not  perfectly  predict- 
able. We  have  had  fire,  insect,  disease.  It  has  been  difficult  to  meet 
some  of  those  projections.  Another  key  factor  is  that  ecosystems  op- 
erate at  different  scales.  To  understand  your  activities  at  one  scale 
you  have  to  look  up  one  scale.  So  for  a  district  doing  timber  sales, 
working  with  forest  health,  you  at  least  need  to  work  with,  at  a 
minimum,  how  do  those  activities  contribute  to  the  health  of  a  wa- 
tershed. 

Then  for  other  issues,  say,  for  grizzly  bear,  northern  Rocky 
Mountains,  we  need  to  look  at  the  effects  of  our  activities  if  we  are 
going  to  start  doing  forest  health.  What  that  means  is  viability  of 
species  that  use  larger  regional  scales.  That  is  being  recognized  in 
the  Forest  Service.  The  Forest  Service  is  looking  at  developing  that 
currently. 

I  met  last  week  with  our  Washington  office,  new  ways,  proto- 
types for  forest  plans  to  recognize  different  levels  of  planning  and 
analysis.  I  think  that  is  critical  if  we  are  going  to  come  up  with 
a  strategy  for  assessing  health.  I  am  very  concerned  if  it  is  done 
at  a  small  scale  and  we  run  around  to  do  a  lot  of  projects  under 
forest  health,  we  are  going  to  miss  the  picture  at  larger  scales,  and 
species  that  operate  at  larger  scales. 

So  we  need  to  have  a  coordinated  effort  here  to  tier  analysis 
down,  and  we  are  currently  staffed  to  do  that.  I  think  the  scientific 
community,  the  management  community,  and  the  products  indus- 
try are  ready  to  work  together  to  make  that  happen.  My  colleagues 
here  probably  have  more  comments. 

Mr.  Hann.  I  would  like  to  summarize  three  points  in  response 
to  the  groups  of  questions  I  have  heard  here.  I  think  one  is  that 
I  would  like  to  emphasize,  I  don't  think  the  scientific  community 
blames  the  fire  suppression  organization  for  the  situation.  We  had 
to  control  fires  to  protect  people  and  their  property.  But  what  we 
didn't  do  in  the  scientific  community  and  management  is  we  did 


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not  plan  how  to  manage  the  biomass  that  would  accumulate  as  a 
result  of  fire  suppression. 

So  that  was  just  a  lack  of  knowledge  at  that  time.  I  think  a  sec- 
ond point  in  response  to  some  of  the  questions  is  that  if  we  look 
at  salvage,  salvage  of  dead  material  itself  does  not  necessarily  im- 
prove the  health  of  the  system.  It  is  the  management  of  the  live 
vital  mass  that  creates  the  stress  that  is  important.  So  if  we  want 
to  be  proactive,  we  probably  need  to  put  higher  emphasis  on  man- 
agement of  the  live  material  that  is  under  stress. 

And  third  is  just  this  emphasis  of  what  Dr.  Everett  and  Dr.  Jen- 
sen have  said.  I  think  this  bill  is  similar  to  NEPA  in  scale,  and  it 
is  very  excellently  written  at  the  stand  of  site  level.  However,  we 
have  no  solid  direction,  when  we  look  at  the  very  broad  volume,  re- 
gional-type level,  when  we  look  at  some  of  these  bills  that  direct 
our  management.  And  I  think  we  will  bring  in  that  need  to  connect 
these  regional  biome  scales  to  that  site-specific  scale. 

Mr.  Rose.  So  you  would  say  that  this  bill  could  be  an  important 
part  of  the  overall  answer,  but  you  are  concerned  about  areas  of 
a  broader  area  that  it  doesn't  cover;  but  what  it  does  cover  you 
think  it  covers  well? 

Mr.  Hann.  I  think  this  bill,  in  emphasizing  a  sustainable  eco- 
system, is  on  the  cutting  edge  of  science  today,  and  it  could  be  a 
landmark  bill  if  it  would  bring  in  this  connection  of  the  regional 
biome-type  scale  to  the  progressive  selection  of  projects  for  im- 
provement of  forest  ecosystem  health. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you. 

I  want  to  ask  Mr.  Patrick  Bourgeron  from  the  Nature  Conser- 
vancy, you  represent  the  Nature  Conservancy  and  you  are  part  of 
the  science  team  that  developed  these  reports. 

Mr.  Bourgeron.  Yes. 

Mr.  Rose.  Have  you  had  a  chance  to  look  at  Congressman 
LaRocco's  bill? 

Mr.  Bourgeron.  Yes,  I  did. 

Mr.  Rose.  What  is  your  opinion? 

Mr.  Bourgeron.  I  have  the  same  comments  as  Dr.  Jensen  and 
Dr.  Hann,  which  is  it  is  a  very  good  bill  at  the  local  and  landscape 
level.  You  address  very  well  the  issue  of  managing  stands  and  then 
small  landscapes.  There  is  no  connection  with  higher  levels  of  eco- 
logical organization.  That  is  possibly  a  result  of  the  way  we  have 
been  looking  and  the  way — Dr.  Arno  said  rightly  that  the  forestry 
is  coming  from  Europe. 

It  is  the  idea  of  managing  systems  that  had  been  impacted  for 
up  to  2,000  years,  and  have  been  fragmented  for  a  long  time,  and 
that  are  still  complex  but  work  on  a  much  smaller  scale. 

When  you  look  at  some  of  the  descriptions  this  morning,  you 
have  to  go  back  to  the  notion  of  ecosystem  management.  Ecosystem 
management,  at  least  the  way  we  look  at  it,  is  the  management  of 
systems  to  satisfy  social  values  with  economy  constraints  and  eco- 
logical constraints  we  have.  The  functioning  of  ecosystems  goes  all 
the  way  from  the  square  inch  all  the  way  to  the  globe. 

That  is  very  practical.  That  is  what  is  happening  in  the  North- 
west, that  is  what  is  happening  in  southern  California  and  inter- 
nationally, that  is  the  problem.  So  if  you  can  make  the  link  to  high- 
er ecosystem  functioning,  and  link  that  with  higher  levels  of  plan- 


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ning,  regional,  national  as  well,  then  you  will  be  in  very  good 
shape. 

Mr.  Rose.  So  we  have  the  potato  from  Europe,  and  that  worked 
pretty  good  out  here,  but  the  forest  systems  maybe  need  to  have 
Mr.  LaRocco's  bill  imposed  on  it  so  that 

Mr.  BOURGERON.  As  Dr.  Jensen  said,  that  is  something  we  have 
to  deal  with.  It  is  what  we  call  adaptive  management,  which  is  an- 
other issue.  The  whole  issue  of  fire  suppression  is  an  issue  of  con- 
trol. It  is  the  issue  that  things  come  and  go  over  large  areas,  and 
as  Dr.  Jensen  said,  if  you  try  to  get  the  same  output  over  more 
than  20  to  30  years  from  the  same  site,  you  may  be  in  trouble. 

We  are  not  adaptive  to  that  in  terms  of  economics,  because  peo- 
ple don't  want  to  travel  more  to  log  trees,  and  I  would  not  like  that 
either,  and  we  are  not  adaptive  to  that  in  terms  of  responding  in 
terms  of  economic  values. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you. 

Any  other  comments  or  questions? 

Mr.  LaRocco.  I  would  just  say  this  issue  that  was  brought  up 
I  believe  by  Dr.  Jensen  on  live  material  under  stress  is  a  very  im- 
portant issue,  because  right  now  this  bill  is  being  characterized  by 
some  people  as  just  a  salvage  sale  bill,  which  is  nowhere  even  close 
to  where  I  think  this  bill  is  written  presently  and  where  we  want 
to  go  with  it,  because  I  think  you  brought  up  a  very  important 
issue  there,  this  whole  scale  issue,  and  these  comments  are  critical 
to  this  subcommittee  and  to  me  in  terms  of  fine  tuning  it. 

Dr.  Jensen. 

Mr.  Jensen.  Just  one  last  comment  on  one  of  the  key  factors 
when  we  are  looking  at  systems  and  we  are  assessing  health,  and 
that  is  what  we  are  proposing  to  do.  I  focused  in  on  how  are  we 
going  to  consistently  make  assessments  of  health,  and  that  is  a 
major  scientific  question  right  now,  what  is  a  healthy  system. 

I  think  we  need  to  be  fairly  consistent  as  we  move  forward.  We 
will  adapt  as  we  understand  systems.  But  currently  there  are  three 
things  if  you  are  going  to  look  at  a  piece  of  ground  and  say  if  it 
is  good  or  bad  that  you  need. 

One  is  an  understanding  of  the  environmental  constraints.  What 
is  the  relationship  of  that  vegetation  to  the  soils,  the  geology,  the 
climate,  what  species  can  be  there  given  those  constraints. 

The  second  are  biotic  processes.  Those  need  to  be  considered. 
Species  migration,  evolution,  extinction.  These  are  all  related  to 
different  scales  and  different  time  events.  Those  have  major  impli- 
cations to  different  levels  of  planning.  We  look  at  different  features 
at  different  levels  of  planning.  They  all  tier  together. 

The  third,  which  is  really  critical,  which  you  talk  about  in  your 
bill,  are  the  processes,  to  maintain  the  processes  that  the  species 
evolved  with,  fire  being  one  process.  So  we  need  all  three  to  know 
what  is  happening  on  the  site.  And  I  think  it  is  absolutely  critical 
that  we  integrate  that  knowledge. 

If  we  take  just  one  component  and  look  at  frequency  of  fire  inde- 
pendent of  species  migration  and  the  other  things  that  happen  to 
explain  what  you  see  on  the  ground,  we  are  going  to  miss  the  pic- 
ture. So  we  fully  support  your  discussions  in  here  of  historic  ranges 
of  variability.  We  think  it  is  critical. 


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The  major  factors,  we  have  interrupted  the  processes  that  main- 
tain diversity  in  landscapes,  fire  being  one  example.  Flooding  is  an- 
other one.  Sedimentation  is  another  one. 

So  you  are  on  the  right  track.  I  think  there  is  a  little  more  that 
could  be  added  to  this.  You  bring  it  fully  into  ecosystem  manage- 
ment. And  we  support  the  bill,  we  like  what  we  see  here.  We  would 
like  to  see  more  dialog  with  other  people  related  to  this. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you. 

Mr.  Amo,  briefly. 

Mr.  Arno.  One  final  comment.  I  think  there  is  a  danger  in  study- 
ing these  problems  to  death.  We  have  an  example  here  of  some- 
thing that  Supervisor  Mealey  has  been  planning,  and  this  is  man- 
agement of  the  live  trees  in  these  stands,  with  silvicultural  cutting. 

I  would  like  to  pass  this  up  there.  Thinning  and  use  of  prescribed 
underburning.  This  was  first  recommended  in  a  detailed  article  in 
1943  by  Harold  Weaver. 

He  had  to  have  a  disclaimer.  He  was  a  Government  forester,  and 
for  20  years  he  had  to  run  a  disclaimer  under  his  articles  that  said, 
we  need  to  apply  prescribed  fire  and  silviculture  to  get  into  more 
of  an  ecosystem  management  approach.  He  didn't  use  those  words, 
but  his  detailed  descriptions  of  managing  these  semiarid  forests 
were  just  what  we  are  talking  about  today. 

That  started  in  1943.  He  was  on  the  bandwagon  ever  since.  He 
picked  up  a  few  advocates  as  time  went  on.  We  are  doing  this  work 
on  an  experimental  basis  here  and  there.  Several  of  us  are  in- 
volved. But  I  think  there  is  great  danger  in  trying  to  get  all  of  the 
scientific  information  and  .feel  comfortable  before  we  will  do  any- 
thing. There  is  a  great  deal  we  know  needs  to  be  done,  and  the 
science  is  there. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you  all  very  much.  It  has  been  very  helpful  to 
us,  both  for  this  piece  of  legislation  and  for  greater  education  about 
the  work  that  you  do  in  the  Northwest. 

Thank  you,  gentlemen. 

I  want  to  call  Mr.  Herb  Malany  from  Boise  Cascade  to  come  up 
and  take  a  seat.  I  am  taking  him  out  of  order  because  he  has  a 
tight  schedule.  I  would  like  to  ask  the  following  to  come  up:  Mr. 
Jerry  Conley,  Idaho  Fish  and  Game;  Mr.  Tuttle,  NMFS,  Seattle; 
Dr.  Chad  Oliver,  college  of  forest  resources,  University  of  Washing- 
ton; and  Dr.  Leon  Neuenschwander. 

Herb  is  with  Boise  Cascade  and  has  a  tight  schedule.  We  will 
hear  from  you  and  ask  some  questions. 

STATEMENT  OF  HERBERT  S.  MALANY,  CHIEF  FORESTER, 

BOISE  CASCADE  CORP. 

Mr.  Malany.  That  would  be  fine,  or  I  can  wait  until  the  end  of 
the  panel. 

Mr.  Chairman,  Mr.  LaRocco,  and  Mr.  Peterson.  I  am  Herb 
Malany,  chief  forester  of  Boise  Cascade's  timberlands  in  Idaho.  I 
have  worked  in  this  area  for  a  lot  of  years.  I  have  had  the  oppor- 
tunity to  make  a  lot  of  management  mistakes  and  also  do  a  lot  of 
things  that  turned  out  right. 

We  basically  have  been  practicing  what  I  understand  to  be — and 
everybody  has  their  own  definition  of  ecosystem  management  in 
this  area  for  the  last  20  years  at  least.  Our  lands  have  never  been 


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under  what  you  call  business  as  usual.  We  have  spent  a  lot  of  time 
learning  how  to  manage  our  forests  under  an  uneven  age  selective 
harvest  system. 

We  didn't  realize  at  the  time  we  were  doing  it,  but  we  have  fairly 
much  emulated  what  the  forest  was  in  this  area  prior  to  the  fire 
suppression  that  started  at  the  turn  of  the  century.  We  are  return- 
ing their  stands  back  to  that  level.  It  will  probably  take  us  60  years 
at  three  entries  before  we  get  our  forests  back  in  that  healthy  con- 
dition. 

The  management  regimes  we  follow  basically  remove  20  to  30 
percent  of  the  standing  trees  at  each  entry.  We  feel  that  we  will 
have  to  reenter  these  stands  on  a  20-  to  30-year  reentry  cycle,  de- 
pending on  the  quality  of  the  stands. 

In  the  last  3  or  4  years,  we  have  been  working  with  our  contrac- 
tors to  be  sure  that  we  protect  the  amenity  values  for  the  public, 
and  we  believe  they  are  very  important,  water  quality,  riparian 
zones,  and  we  have  developed  some  very  unique  ways  of  logging. 
Historically,  because  of  gravity,  everything  has  gone  down  to  the 
creeks,  and  just  basically  decimated,  in  early  days,  the  draws. 
Later  on  we  moved  over  5  feet  and  still  put  an  awful  lot  of  sedi- 
ment in  the  streams. 

Today  we  take  all  the  logs  up  the  hill  and  away  from  the 
streams.  In  steep  ground  we  don't  get  within  150  feet  to  200  feet 
of  the  draws.  So  when  you  talk  to  me  about  protecting  riparian 
areas,  I  don't  understand  the  problem  anymore.  We  have  solved  the 
problem.  We  don't  operate  very  heavy  equipment  close  to  streams 
or  we  put  a  light  hand  on  the  forestland  when  we  are  close  to 
streams. 

We  have  learned  how  to  protect  habitat  for  the  birds.  Overstory 
trees  or  snags  are  left.  When  we  get  all  done  with  this,  on  a  lot 
of  tours  I  find  the  public  accepts  and  likes  the  way  we  operate  on 
our  lands. 

Our  stands  have  been  managed  on  a  selective  harvest  basis  for 
the  last  30  years.  Today  it  is  very  easy  to  see  what  we  have. 

Yesterday  I  was  given  the  opportunity  to  spend  the  day  with 
staff  and  Supervisor  Mealey.  You  have  to  see  what  I  saw  yesterday 
to  understand  the  magnitude  of  the  problem. 

As  a  land  manager  who  is  trying  to  do  what  I  think  is  respon- 
sible, it  really  makes  you  sick  to  see  what  we  saw. 

We  have  some  serious  problems  in  this  forest.  I  had  the  oppor- 
tunity to  attend  a  forest  health  conference  several  months  ago  that 
was  put  on  as  part  of  the  forest  health  initiative.  In  listening  to 
the  scientists  there,  I  missed  the  first  part  of  the  first  panel,  but 
I  learned  at  that  conference,  we  have  studied  these  problems  to  a 
great  degree,  and  the  scientists  told  us  what  we  need  to  do  to  man- 
age this  forest  in  the  proper  way  for  today's  standards  anjrway. 

I  think  one  of  the  things,  in  closing,  is  that  I  do  know,  and  I 
want  to  underscore,  and  I  do  preach,  that  I  think  Mr.  LaRocco  is 
on  the  right  track  with  his  bill,  but  I  do  want  to  say  I  feel  there 
is  a  very  urgent  need  to  do  something,  whatever  it  is,  to  regain  for- 
est health.  I  agree  with  the  remarks  at  the  end  of  the  last  session, 
we  have  also  got  to  look  at  the  green  trees  and  their  stocking  lev- 
els. 


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At  the  turn  of  the  century  we  had  20  to  30  trees  per  acre.  We 
now  have  stands  exceeding  800  trees  per  acre.  The  numbers  are 
just  over  the  capacity  of  the  land  to  sustain  the  forest. 

I  think  you  have  my  comments  there.  With  that,  I  will  quit. 
Thank  you. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Malany  appears  at  the  conclu- 
sion of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you.  Your  whole  testimony  will  be  made  a  part 
of  the  record. 

But  you  do  hke  the  bill  H.R.  229,  and  we  appreciate  you  coming. 

Congressman  LaRocco. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Mr.  Malany,  I  understand  you  have  to  scoot  out 
of  here  to  get  some  sort  of  an  award.  Exactly  what  is  that?  Are  you 
getting  a  little  recognition  for  what  you  do? 

Mr.  Malany.  Yes.  Our  company  gives  out  an  annual  award  for 
environmental  practices  to  some  entity  in  the  company.  We  have, 
I  believe,  something  like  20-some-odd  thousand  employees.  There 
are  16  of  us  in  our  department,  so  pretty  small  entities  can  apply, 
and  we  won  this  award  this  year.  The  president  of  our  company  is 
going  to  give  us  this  award  this  afternoon. 

I  do  have  time — I  would  be  glad  to  answer  questions.  Our  process 
is  unique. 

Mr.  Rose.  I  have  an  International  Paper  Company,  I  also  have 
Weyerhaeuser,  Georgia  Pacific,  Federal  paper  plants,  and  a  lot  of 
other  things  in  my  district  in  eastern  North  Carolina.  They  tell  me 
that  forest  practices  vary  widely  between  timber  companies  who 
manage  their  own  timber  on  their  own  property.  But  you  don't  own 
your  own  stands  of  timber  out  here,  do  you? 

Mr.  Malany.  Boise  Cascade  owns  about  200,000  acres  of 
timberlands  in  southwest  Idaho.  They  are  intermingled  or  adjacent 
with  the  Forest  Service  lands. 

Mr.  Rose.  Do  you  have  the  patchwork  problem  out  here,  Mr. 
Malany? 

Mr.  Malany.  We  are  kind  of  forcing  that  in  this  particular  area. 
The  lands  I  believe  were  gathered  in  under  the  Timber  and  Stone 
Act,  and  the  predecessor  company,  which  by  the  way  was  a 
Weyerhaeuser  holding  company  at  one  time,  gathered  in  the 
forestlands  that  are  close  to  the  valley  floors.  So  our  lands  are  real- 
ly quite  contiguous.  They  are  in  blocks,  but  they  are  not  all  patch- 
work. 

Mr.  Rose.  Any  other  comments  or  questions? 

[No  response.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Well,  thank  you  very  much.  You  are  welcome  to  stay 
as  long  as  you  can  before  you  have  to  catch  a  "plane.  You  may  catch 
some  more  questions  by  doing  that. 

But  we  are  going  to  have  our  third  panel,  starting  with  Mr.  Cal 
Groen. 

You  are  here  representing  the  Idaho  Department  of  Fish  and 
Game?  All  of  your  statements  will  be  a  part  of  the  record.  Make 
what  comments  you  want  to  make,  it  is  up  to  you,  including  read- 
ing the  whole  thing  if  you  want  to. 

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STATEMENT  OF  CAL  GROEN,  CHIEF,  NATURAL  RESOURCES 
POLICY  BUREAU,  IDAHO  DEPARTMENT  OF  FISH  AND  GAME 

Mr.  Groen.  Thank  you,  Congressmen  Rose,  Peterson,  and 
LaRocco,  for  conducting  this  field  hearing  and  allowing  the  Idaho 
Department  of  Fish  and  Game  to  assess  forest  health  and  H.R. 
229. 

I  am  Cal  Groen,  chief  of  the  natural  resources  policy  bureau  for 
the  department,  representing  director  Jerry  Conley. 

The  Idaho  Department  of  Fish  and  Game  is  required  by  State 
law  to  ensure  that  the  State's  resources  are  "preserved,  perpet- 
uated, and  managed." 

Although  the  department  does  not  have  regulatory  authority  over 
many  habitat  activities,  we  do  serve  a  significant  role  in  reviewing 
and  commenting  on  actions  that  may  affect  fish  and  wildlife  re- 
sources in  the  State.  The  department  reviews,  evaluates,  and  re- 
sponds to  600  to  900  proposals  annually  that  could  impact  fish  or 
wildlife. 

The  opportunity  to  review  this  bill  is  greatly  appreciated  and  is 
significant  in  that  70  percent  of  Idaho  is  in  public  ownership. 

The  recent  7-year  drought  in  Idaho  has  exerted  tremendous 
stress  on  all  biological  systems.  These  systems  include  trees,  fish, 
wildlife,  water  quality,  which  are  all  dependent  on  the  maintenance 
of  critical  levels  of  soil  moisture  and  streamflow.  It  appears  that 
the  prolonged  drought  is  now  over.  We  must  be  cautious  and  not 
base  our  entire  forest  health  management  strategy  on  a  dramatic 
event  such  as  the  Foothills  fire  and  the  drought. 

The  drought,  although  it  seemed  to  have  lasted  a  long  time  in 
human  perspectives,  was  merely  a  blip  in  time  from  the  standpoint 
of  ecosystems.  If  we  can  learn  from  it,  we  are  making  progress. 

Looking  back  in  our  rearview  mirror,  it  is  generally  agreed  that 
past  management  practices  on  national  forests  have  contributed  to 
our  forest  health  emergency.  Fire  suppression  and  high  grading  of 
commercially  valuable  timber  species  have  tended  to  accelerate 
succession  toward  climax.  Climax  forests  are  more  susceptible  to 
fire,  insects,  and  disease.  No  one  considered  some  of  the  con- 
sequences of  this  management  direction. 

To  once  again  think  we  have  a  simple  answer  for  a  complex  eco- 
system and  move  full  scale  into  salvage  and  thinning  may  be  re- 
peating some  of  our  past  mistakes.  Forest  succession  often  spans 
several  generations  of  man  which  makes  it  difficult  for  people  to 
visualize  forest  dynamics.  Ecosystem  management  and  forest  res- 
toration is  a  new  field  we  must  cautiously  move  into. 

We  must  remember  that  a  sincere  desire  to  implement  good  for- 
est management  brought  us  to  our  present  forest  health  concerns. 

We  cannot  achieve  our  desired  future  conditions  overnight.  We 
must  move  slowly  and  humbly  into  the  future  of  our  public  lands. 

Congressman  LaRocco's  legislation  lays  out  a  process  and  safe- 
guards this  cautious  approach,  we  believe.  This  legislation  recog- 
nizes multiresource  values,  such  as  retaining  snags,  and  encour- 
ages a  wide  range  of  future  uses,  and  authorizes  coordinated  forest 
health  improvement  projects  that  carry  out  both  product  and  non- 
product-related  management  actions. 

In  the  past,  too  many  projects  were  based  solely  upon  commodity 
considerations.  Making  sale  volumes  and  revenues  secondary  and 


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justifying  the  harvest  of  live  trees  are  necessary  steps  to  a  healthy 
forest  ecosystem. 

Important  aspects  of  this  legislation  are  basing  the  declaration  of 
forest  health  emergency  upon  sound  science,  compliance  with  envi- 
ronmental laws,  and  expanded  public  comment  opportunity.  Pre- 
serving the  appeal  and  judicial  processes  and  providing  two  new 
opportunities  for  public  comments  are  necessary  and  especially  re- 
freshing in  view  of  recent  attempts  to  curtail  and  exclude  public 
comments  from  salvage  or  timber  sales. 

Stronger  language  for  coordination  and  consultation  with  other 
management  entities  such  as  Idaho  Fish  and  Game  is  encouraged, 
especially  when  looking  at  questions  on  wildlife  and  water  quality 
issues. 

Past  efforts  to  include  multiresource  efforts  have  failed  due  to 
the  lack  of  funding  and  monitoring.  Funding  support  is  welcome 
from  salvage  sales  and  K-V  funds  for  both  product  and  nonproduct 
treatments.  Appropriate  consideration  to  these  values  is  long  over- 
due. Necessary  monitoring  is  necessary  to  see  if  the  prescribed 
treatments  are  working  as  intended. 

I  recommend  that  control  areas  that  receive  no  treatments  be  set 
aside  for  comparison  to  treated  areas.  Excluded  roadless  areas  may 
serve  as  partial  controls  for  long-term  monitoring. 

In  summary,  careful  and  thorough  work  must  be  done  to  define 
what  healthy  forest  ecosystems  are.  And  management  strategies 
must  be  designed  to  produce  sustained,  diverse,  healthy  forest 
ecosystems  that  seek  the  full  range  of  ecological  variability  and 
biodiversity. 

Forest  health  must  become  more  than  merchantable  tree  health 
and  include  fish,  wildlife,  water  quality  considerations.  A  healthy 
forest  will  have  many  different  appearances  or  succession  stages. 
A  recent  report  from  the  Society  of  American  Foresters  states  more 
emphasis  must  be  given  to  protecting  wildlife  and  diversity  in  for- 
ests across  broad  landscapes.  A  question  of  scale,  again. 

It  recommends  an  ecosystem  approach  that  would  base  logging 
on  protection  of  wildlife,  water  quality,  and  overall  ecologic  health. 

H.R.  229  has  the  legislative  elements  to  accomplish  overall  eco- 
logical health  if  properly  implemented. 

Thank  you. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Groen  appears  at  the  conclusion 
of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you,  sir,  very  much. 

Mr.  Tuttle. 

STATEMENT  OF  MERRITT  E.  TUTTLE,  DIVISION  CHIEF,  ENVI- 
RONMENTAL AND  TECHNICAL  SERVICES  DIVISION,  NORTH- 
WEST REGION,  NATIONAL  MARINE  FISHERIES  SERVICE,  NA- 
TIONAL OCEANIC  AND  ATMOSPHERIC  ADMINISTRATION, 
U.S.  DEPARTMENT  OF  COMMERCE 

Mr.  Tuttle.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman  and  Congressmen  Peter- 
son and  LaRocco,  for  the  opportunity  to  address  the  important 
issue  of  the  health  of  Idaho  forests  and  their  shared  role  in  assur- 
ing healthy  runs  of  salmon. 


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I  am  Merritt  Tuttle,  Chief  of  the  Environmental  and  Technical 
Services  Division,  Northwest  Region,  National  Marine  Fisheries 
Service,  Portland,  Oregon. 

Various  Federal  statutes  give  the  National  Marine  Fisheries 
Service  the  role  of  providing  leadership  and  expertise  for  the  pro- 
tection, conservation,  and  recovery  of  anadromous  fish  throughout 
the  full  extent  of  their  range. 

I  am  here  today  to  provide  an  assessment  of  the  overall  health 
of  national  forests  as  salmon  habitat  in  Idaho,  and  the  applicability 
of  management  strategies  authorized  in  H.R.  229,  the  National 
Forest  Health  Act,  to  the  national  forests  in  Idaho. 

The  Department  of  Commerce  is  reviewing  H.R.  229  and  has  not 
taken  a  position  at  this  time  on  the  bill.  H.R.  229  calls  for  an  expe- 
dited review  of  forest  health,  improvement  programs  under  other 
applicable  environmental  laws,  and  from  scientific  input  from  other 
agencies.  The  National  Marine  Fisheries  Service  is  currently  work- 
ing closely  with  other  Federal  agencies  to  ensure  that  section  7 
consultations  under  the  Endangered  Species  Act  are  conducted  in 
a  comprehensive  and  timely  manner. 

Should  H.R.  229  be  enacted,  the  National  Marine  Fisheries  Serv- 
ice would  work  with  the  Forest  Service  and  Bureau  of  Land  Man- 
agement to  ensure  that  any  forest  health  improvement  program  is 
consistent  with  the  Endangered  Species  Act. 

Although  you  have  requested  that  I  comment  on  the  forests  of 
Idaho,  my  office  is  concerned  with  the  health  of  forests  as  anad- 
romous fish  habitat  in  Washington  and  Oregon  as  well. 

The  definition  of  forest  health  can  vary,  depending  on  your  inter- 
est and  expectations.  To  people  interested  in  harvesting  trees,  the 
definition  may  involve  sustained  yield  of  timber.  To  other  interests, 
the  definition  of  a  healthy  forest  involves  a  variety  of  watershed 
functions  and  forest  outputs  such  as  timber  products,  aesthetics, 
wildlife,  and  fish. 

To  us,  the  definition  of  a  healthy  forest  includes  all  of  these  func- 
tions, especially  those  for  fish.  Forest  streams  are  where  the  salm- 
on's life  history  or  life  cycle  begins,  first  with  the  spawning,  then 
with  the  incubation  of  eggs,  the  emergence  of  fry,  and  the  rearing 
of  smolts;  thus  the  forest  serves  as  a  nursery  for  juvenile  salmon. 
The  general  health  of  the  forest  ecosystem  determines  the  number 
of  smolts,  or  seaward  migrants,  that  the  watershed  is  capable  of 
producing. 

National  Marine  Fisheries  Service's  approach  to  the  conservation 
of  Snake  River  salmon,  listed  under  the  Endangered  Species  Act, 
is  based  on  an  ecosystem  management  approach. 

Therefore,  I  will  focus  my  comments  on  characteristics  of  water- 
sheds. These  are  critical  building  blocks  of  the  salmon's  ecosystem. 

Idaho  once  had  an  abundance  of  salmon,  and  many  of  its  resi- 
dents, including  the  Indian  tribes,  used  these  fish  for  subsistence, 
trade,  and  income.  Now,  however,  Idaho's  wild  salmon  are  listed  as 
threatened  and  endangered  species.  The  Endangered  Species  Act, 
obligates  all  Federal  agencies,  including  in  the  case  of  forests  those 
responsible  for  Federal  land  management,  to  use  their  authorities 
to  conserve  endangered  and  threatened  species  of  wildlife  so  that 
they  can  be  recovered  to  the  point  of  no  longer  requiring  the  protec- 
tion of  the  Endangered  Species  Act. 


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In  addition  to  working  toward  the  recovery  of  these  species,  Fed- 
eral agencies  are  required  to  ensure  that,  at  a  minimum,  their  ac- 
tions are  not  hkely  to  jeopardize  the  continued  existence  of  the  hst- 
ed  species.  The  National  Marine  Fisheries  Service's  role  in  this 
strategy  is  to  provide  professional  advice  to  those  action  agencies 
as  to  how  they  can  best  meet  their  endangered  species  obligations. 

A  team  of  scientists  appointed  by  the  National  Marine  Fisheries 
Service  is  currently  developing  a  plan  designed  to  lead  to  the  recov- 
ery of  the  listed  Snake  River  salmon  species.  National  Marine  Fish- 
eries Service  will  consider  their  advice  in  adopting  a  recovery  plan 
that  will  provide  guidance  to  the  Federal  action  agencies,  including 
the  Forest  Service  and  Bureau  of  Land  Management,  to  meet  their 
obligation  and  work  toward  the  recovery  of  listed  species. 

In  the  meantime,  however,  to  evaluate  the  impacts  of  listed 
salmon  in  Idaho,  the  Northwest  region  of  National  Marine  Fish- 
eries Service  is  currently  providing  professional  advice  to  the  For- 
est Service  and  BLM  and  other  action  agencies  through  what  are 
commonly  called  section  7  consultations.  These  are  under  the  En- 
dangered Species  Act. 

These  consultations  cover  four  major  sectors  that  led  to  the  salm- 
on's decline. 

These  four  sectors,  referred  to  as  the  four  H's,  are  hydropower, 
harvest,  habitat,  and  hatcheries.  These  four  sectors  are  an  integral 
part  of  the  Pacific  Northwest.  Unhealthy  watersheds  are  a  part  of 
the  habitat  sector. 

Depressed  stocks  of  salmon  are  not  unique  to  the  rivers  of  Idaho. 
During  the  past  few  months,  various  petitioners  have  requested 
that  National  Marine  Fisheries  Service  list  several  other  stocks  of 
salmon  in  coastal  Oregon  and  Washington  for  Endangered  Species 
Act  protection  and  recovery. 

Although  unaffected  by  hydropower  development,  these  salmon 
populations  are  also  in  decline.  In  coastal  watersheds  of  Oregon 
and  Washington,  intensive  road  construction  and  timber  extraction 
in  these  watersheds  are  linked  to  reduced  salmon  production.  Re- 
cent reports  stemming  from  President  Clinton's  Forest  Conference 
recommend  sizable  changes  in  the  way  forests  are  currently  man- 
aged. 

Land  management  agencies  now  recognize  this  need  to  change 
forest  management.  Scientific  evidence  supports  a  new  approach 
which  places  emphasis  on  ecosystem-based  management. 

For  example,  human  impacted  river  systems  have  lost  50  to  75 
percent  of  the  large  pools  during  the  last  50  years.  Large  pools  are 
critically  important  to  salmon  since  they  function  as  resting  and 
hiding  areas  for  adult  fish  prior  to  spawning,  are  preferred  rearing 
areas  for  juveniles,  and  serve  as  refuges  during  periods  of  drought 
and  winter  icing. 

While  the  quality  of  spawning  and  rearing  habitat  has  dimin- 
ished in  managed  lands,  anadromous  fish  population  have  re- 
mained constant  or  have  improved  in  wilderness  areas.  The  water- 
sheds in  these  areas  continue  to  sustain  productive  habitats  for 
salmon  despite  impacts  from  natural  forces.  We  must  learn  to  man- 
age in  a  manner  which  mimics  those  watersheds  that  have  re- 
mained productive  despite  fires,  droughts,  and  other  natural  forces. 


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Managing  the  ecosystem  at  the  watershed  level  will  improve 
salmon  runs  and  expedite  the  Endangered  Species  Act  consulta- 
tions. Watersheds  must  be  protected  if  we  are  to  sustain  Idaho's 
salmon.  We  are  urging  a  sound  ecosystem-based  approach  to  forest 
management,  utilizing  science  and  state-of-the-art  restoration  tech- 
niques. This  can  help  recover  threatened  and  endangered  salmon 
and  help  prevent  additional  species  from  being  listed. 

This  approach  can  reduce  the  complexity  of  consultations  for  en- 
dangered species  such  as  salmon  and  expedite  ESA  consultations 
on  all  forest  activities. 

Thank  you  for  asking  me  to  appear  before  you.  I  would  be 
pleased  to  respond  to  any  questions. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Tuttle  appears  at  the  conclusion 
of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you  very  much. 

Next  is  Dr.  Chad  Oliver  from  the  University  of  Washington's  Col- 
lege of  Forest  Resources. 

STATEMENfT  OF  CHADWICK  D.  OLIVER,  PROFESSOR, 
SILVICULTURE  AND  FOREST  ECOLOGY,  COLLEGE  OF  FOR- 
EST RESOURCES,  UNIVERSITY  OF  WASHINGTON 

Mr.  Oliver.  Thank  you  very  much. 

Mr.  Chairman  and  members  of  the  subcommittee,  I  have  given 
you  a  long  statement,  and  I  will  extract  from  that. 

I  agree  with  much  that  has  been  said  before,  many  parts  of  it. 
I  would  like  to  put  some  of  it  in  perspective.  I  have  studied  the  for- 
ests in  the  Rocky  Mountain  region.  Pacific  Northwest,  most  other 
places  in  the  country  and  other  parts  of  the  world,  and  find  very 
similar  patterns  here  as  to  elsewhere. 

What  I  would  like  to  first  do  is  talk  about  a  perspective  on  the 
policies  of  managing  lands.  Then  I  would  like  to  get  into  a  little  bit 
of  discussion  of  ecosystem  management  in  detail.  Then  I  can  make 
some  specific  comments  on  the  bill. 

Our  policy  of  managing  forestlands  can  be  looked  at  with  three 
different  approaches.  Originally  we  had  the  commodity-based  ap- 
proach, and  then  two  other  approaches,  the  natural  reserves  ap- 
proach and  the  landscape  management  approach,  which  I,  and  I 
think  many  people  here,  interpret  as  the  ecosystems  approach. 

Now,  these  are  very  different  in  their  practices,  their  philoso- 
phies, their  costs,  and  their  outcomes. 

The  commodity-based  approach  is  what  we  had  historically,  and 
this  was  partly  based  on  such  ideas  as  the  impending  timber  short- 
age which  was  expected  in  this  country,  and  which  historically  has 
occurred  at  past  times  in  this  country. 

Therefore,  the  emphasis  was  to  provide  those  commodities  that 
looked  like  they  would  be  in  short  supply.  Consequently,  foresters 
would  enter  each  stand  and  both  extract  wood  and  manage  it  in  a 
way  that  would  produce  the  maximum  timber  in  the  future.  Let  me 
give  you  an  example. 

Do  each  of  you  have  a  copy  of  my  statement?  If  you  look  at  the 
next-to-the-last  page,  figure  2  back  there,  going  back  a  little  bit 
into  ecological  concepts,  if  you  look  at  A,  the  changes  in  stand 
structures,  this  is  just  an  example  of  some  of  the  changes  in  force 
structures. 


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After  a  disturbance,  you  have  it  growing  from  an  open  condition 
to  a  closed  condition  to  then  one  that  gets  more  open  later  on. 
What  we  know  now — and  I  will  touch  on  this  a  little  later — we 
know  that  some  species  require  each  of  these  structures  to  live  in, 
and  if  we  begin  to  have  any  of  them  in  short  supply,  we  begin  to 
lose  species. 

With  commodity  management,  the  objective  was  maximum  tim- 
ber production,  which  meant  you  didn't  try  to  preserve  all  the 
structures,  you  just  preserved  those  that  were  most  efficient. 

Now,  if  you  had  highly  productive  lands,  then  you  would  often 
do  something  like  clearcutting,  because  that  would  then  allow  you 
to  grow  a  very  productive  new  forest.  In  areas  that  were  marginal 
for  being  economically  efficient  at  managing,  you  would  either  do 
selection  cutting  or  what  often  became  "high  grading"  instead,  re- 
moving just  the  best  trees  and  leaving  the  others. 

Also,  if  you  couldn't  economically  justify  thinning  the  stand,  you 
let  it  grow  overly  dense. 

Many  places  around  here  have  these  overly  dense  stands,  be- 
cause that  was  most  efficient  for  commodity  production.  The  mul- 
tiple use  started  moving  away  from  this;  however,  there  was  still 
some  concerns  with  funding. 

Now,  the  shortcomings  of  this  management  approach,  of  course, 
is  that  it  doesn't  maintain  all  the  structures  across  the  landscape, 
and  therefore  would  get  into  trouble  when  we  shifted  the  values  to 
want  to  maintain  all  of  these  different  structures  and  species;  we 
aren't  necessarily  getting  them.  Those  areas  that  contained  struc- 
tures that  basically  had  a  lot  of  insects  or  fires,  and  that  we 
couldn't  economically  afford  to  do  much  harvest  in — ended  up  hav- 
ing the  forest  health  problems  we  have  now. 

Now,  the  second  approach:  When  people  started  becoming  more 
concerned  about  all  of  the  structures,  all  the  processes,  they  began 
looking  at  it  from  two  perspectives.  Ecologically,  we  originally  had 
not  appreciated  the  significance  of  large  fires,  and  mainly  thought 
our  forests  existed  in  a  relatively  stable  condition. 

As  we  began  to  understand  that  disturbances  did  occur,  our  first 
concept  was  that  the  disturbances  were  somewhat  benign;  and  we 
thought  if  we  just  set-aside  areas  and  preserved  them,  we  would 
have  a  stable  condition.  This  was  based  partly  on  philosophical  per- 
spectives that  humans  shouldn't  try  to  interfere  in  these  natural 
processes,  that  left  to  themselves  they  exist  in  a  stead  state  that 
is  basically  a  balance  of  nature  and  that  the  commodities  that  were 
provided  from  these  will  be  provided  elsewhere. 

What  we  are  finding  is  that  natural  disturbances  are  actually 
much  larger  than  we  had  anticipated.  They  occur  periodically  and 
infrequently,  so  we  don't  have  the  historical  records  of  them.  How- 
ever, what  we  found  from  the  Yellowstone  fire  was  that  that  size 
area  wasn't  enough  to  maintain  a  strong  balance  of  structures,  if 
we  are  going  to  go  to  the  reserve  system. 

So  the  other  thing  that  is  happening  is  we  are  finding  eco- 
logically that  nature  doesn't  exist  in  this,  balance  of  nature. 

Figure  1  at  the  back  of  your  paper  shows  an  article  written  after 
an  Ecological  Society  of  America  meeting,  in  which  one  of  the  ecolo- 
gists  is  quoted  as  saying:  'The  balance-of-nature  concept  makes 
nice  poetry,  but  it  is  not  such  great  science." 


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Mr.  Rose.  Do  you  agree  with  that? 

Mr.  Oliver.  Yes,  I  think  this  balance  of  nature  on  relatively 
small  scales  doesn't  occur — it  is  poetry,  but  not  good  science. 

What  happened,  though,  is  that  we  no  longer  have  the  large  ex- 
panses of  forest.  We  intervene  them  with  cities,  rural  communities, 
farms,  et  cetera.  This  does  two  things:  Natural  disturbances  that 
take  over  a  large  area  will  wipe  out  some  of  these.  We  also  have 
made  it  where  the  species  can't  really  migrate  the  way  they  did  be- 
fore, and  we  have  smaller  areas  of  forests. 

Now,  if  we  are  going  to  put  together  the  reserve  policy,  we  will 
find  we  will  be  going  to  larger  and  larger  areas,  and  we  may  find 
that  we  are  better  off  instead  doing  an  alternative  system  I  will 
suggest,  and  using  the  excess  money  to  look  at  preserving  other 
areas  in  other  places,  or  maintaining  the  ecological  values. 

The  reserve  system,  the  costs  of  this,  are  often  hidden  in  that 
you  reduce  the  primary  productivity  of  the  area,  you  reduce  em- 
ployment, you  get  higher  wood  costs,  and  you  shift  to  harvesting 
of  timber  in  other  regions  of  the  country  or  the  world,  and  also  sub- 
stitution from  steel,  brick,  aluminum,  et  cetera. 

The  other  thing  is  it  is  not  proven,  and  I  frankly  think  these 
large  reserves  aren't  going  to  maintain  the  balance  perspective.  I 
think  modern  science  is  bearing  out  that  they  won't. 

The  third  approach  is  the  landscape  management  approach, 
which  is  different  than  the  reserve  approach  in  that  it  says,  let's 
try  to  maintain  across  a  landscape  area  some  balance  of  the  dif- 
ferent structures  that  were  found  there  naturally. 

Now,  exactly  what  that  balance  is,  we  don't  know.  We  know  that 
it  fluctuates,  and  this  is  where  the  adaptive  managements  would 
become  important.  Also,  I  would  caution  us  about  a  couple  of 
things.  Whereas  the  management — the  fire  prevention  and  the 
dense  stands  and  the  selective  cutting — have  exacerbated  our 
present  imbalance  of  structures  in  this  region,  I  think  we  will  find 
that  very  large  natural  disturbances  happened  anyway,  so  that  I 
don't  think  we  can  blame  everything  on  just  pure  past  manage- 
ment. We  would  have  these  disturbances  anyway. 

Rather  than  look  at  what  the  natural  range  of  variation  is  and 
use  that  as  the  only  criteria  to  maintain  within,  we  find  that  the 
disturbances  fluctuate  over  quite  a  large  scale,  so  we  can  use  that 
as  a  first  guidepost,  but  we  would  probably  want  to  maintain  struc- 
tures so  that  we  don't  get  too  large  of  a  natural  fire  or  too  large 
of  a  single  insect  outbreak. 

Now,  this  is  not  business  as  usual,  because  it  is  maintaining 
structures  that  may  not  be  the  most  economically  efficient  for  com- 
modity production.  On  the  other  hand,  it  is  removing  commodities 
in  thinnings  where  you  have  too  dense  stands,  and  by  clearcutting, 
where  you  need  open  areas  where  you  have  a  lack  of  those. 

Now,  what  we  are  looking  at  then  is  maintaining  these  balances 
of  structures  in  some  balance  over  our  admittedly  smaller  land- 
scape areas.  Now,  what  we  would  do  is  use  our  various  silvicultural 
operations  to  mimic  these.  This  gets  to  be — where  we  have  a  short- 
age of  a  certain  structure  than  exists  there,  we  would  save  that 
structure,  recognizing  that  it  wouldn't  be  there  permanently  be- 
cause of  natural  disturbances.  We  would  increase  the  amount  of  it 
where  it  didn't  exist  through  our  silvicultural  manipulations.  We 


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would  protect  it,  and  if  it  blew  over  or  burned  up,  we  would  try  to 
replace  it  as  efficiently  as  possible. 

Right  now,  we  have  an  imbalance  in  the  Northwest.  I  like  your 
definition  of  forest  health  in  the  bill  in  that  it  did  not  say  no  in- 
sects, because  we  will  probably  find  that  insects  are  very  important 
for  certain  birds.  It  is  just  that  we  want  to  maintain  a  balance  of 
them  so  they  don't  get  out  of  hand. 

An  interesting  thing  is  if  one  is  to  do  ecosystem  management  in 
terms  of  landscape  management,  what  we  would  be  doing  is  look- 
ing at  certain  thinning  and  burning  operations  which  would  not  be 
paid  for  by  the  cost  of  the  commodities  you  extracted  alone.  How- 
ever, the  cost  of  doing  it  would  be  reduced  by  extracting  these  com- 
modities. What  we  are  looking  at  is  a  joint  production  of  both  prod- 
ucts and  the  ecosystem  values.  So  it  would  be  a  cost. 

One  reason  we  haven't  done  it  in  places  in  the  past  is  because 
we  have  been  accused  of  having  below-cost  timber  sales.  If  it  is  not 
economical,  if  you  are  looking  at  it  in  terms  of  maintaining  an  eco- 
system balance,  you  may  want  to  do  it. 

Now,  it  is  true  we  don't  know  what  the  target  balance  of  struc- 
tures would  be.  On  the  other  hand,  we  do  know  that  many  of  our 
areas  are  very  much  out  of  balance,  and  we  could  be  moving  to- 
ward putting  them  in  balance,  shifting  them  away  from  their  ex- 
tremes, right  now  while  we  do  adaptive  management  and  learn 
more  of  what  the  balance  is. 

Now,  this  is  what  I  defined  as  the  concept  of  ecosystem  manage- 
ment using  our  silviculture  to  mimic  disturbances,  to  protect  from 
natural  disturbances,  and  to  help  recovery  from  disturbances  where 
they  have  created  an  imbalance.  This  system  can  be  done.  The  ac- 
tual techniques,  it  would  use  the  whole  variety  of  techniques  from 
this  various  green  tree  retention,  selective  cutting,  maintaining  or 
creating  snags,  controlling  fires,  having  controlled  fires, 
clearcutting,  thinning,  pruning,  planting — whatever  is  takes;  but  it 
would  have  to  be  on  an  area  by  area  basis  rather  than  a  central 
planning,  central  control  approach. 

I  do  have  a  couple  of  comments  specifically  on  this  bill,  if  you 
have  a  couple  of  minutes  for  me  to  say  that.  I  think  it  is  a  very 
positive  step  toward  managing  across  the  landscape  to  maintain  all 
the  structures.  I  think  it  does  do  a  joint — it  is  a  very  scientifically 
sound,  proactive  approach  that  has  a  joint  production  of  forest  pro- 
tection, maintenance  of  diversity,  local  employment,  and  production 
of  ecologically  sound  forest  products. 

A  couple  of  things  I  would  suggest  is  that  I  realize  that  there  are 
certain  things  that  have  to  be  done  immediately,  and  they  should 
be,  but  I  would  encourage  moving  away  from  declaring  an  emer- 
gency and  going  in  on  some  type  of  a  pulse  basis  and  going  back 
as  quickly  as  possible,  making  this  a  more  standard  process,  so 
that  the  management  process  occurs  at  all  times,  through  joint  pro- 
duction of  ecosystem  values  and  helping  pay  for  them  through  the 
removal  of  excess  forest  products,  that  you  basically  keep  the  for- 
ests in  this  balance  on  a  constant  basis  rather  than  on  a  constant 
emergency  basis. 

The  concerns  I  have  about  the  emergency  basis  are  that  it  will 
cost  more  to  run  during  an  emergency  and  fix  things  up  than  if  you 


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had  started  early  and  kept  the  stands  in  healthy  balances  to  begin 
with. 

A  second  thing  is,  we  can  tell  way  ahead  of  time  when  we  are 
going  to  have  a  forest  health  emergency.  You  asked  when  do  we 
know.  We  know  very  long  ahead  of  time.  We  knew  what  was  going 
to  happen  in  Yellowstone.  We  are  very  much  anticipating  a  similar 
problem  on  the  Coconino  Plateau,  because  we  know  those  stands 
are  overcrowded — not  that  they  are  unhealthy  now,  but  if  they  are 
not  thinned,  they  will  grow  larger,  become  overcrowded,  and  be- 
come much  of  a  disease  and  fire  problem  in  the  future. 

So  we  can  go  in  way  ahead  of  time  and  protect  against  that  in- 
stead of  doing  it  on  an  emergency  basis.  More  of  a  stead  manage- 
ment concept,  keeping  these  forests  out  of  that  emergency  basis, 
will  also  help  keep  a  more  stable  employment  labor,  rather  than 
having  a  quick  pulse  and  then  a  movement  out. 

One  last  point  that  I  don't  want  to  say  would  happen  here,  but 
historically  has  happened  in  most  places  in  the  world  when  a  simi- 
lar policy  has  been  enacted,  so  that  people  are  not  allowed  in  the 
forest  except  when  an  emergency  occurs.  The  emergency  practice  of 
salvaging  trees  that  have  been  burned  and  weakened  but  still  alive 
to  prevent  spread  of  insects  is  biologically  sound.  However,  you 
don't  want  such  policies  to  give  the  local  people  a  lack  of  interest 
in  preventing  wildfires. 

Basically,  this  attitude  among  the  local  people  has  occurred  in 
many  places  in  the  world  where  they  didn't  have  a  stake  in  pre- 
venting the  fires.  If  they  only  salvage  after  it's  burned,  it  changes 
their  perspective  on  the  forest. 

A  couple  of  other  things.  Overcrowding  of  trees  has  been  a  very 
common  cause  of  this  weakening.  The  large  scale  of  natural  dis- 
turbances, you  referred  to  the  natural  range  of  variability.  Given 
that  we  have  our  forests  in  smaller  areas  now  and — in  between 
them  we  have  settlements  and  humans  and  others,  we  may  want 
to  have  slightly  less  variability  than  occurred  naturally. 

I  wanted  to  compliment  you  on  your  definition  of  forest  health. 
One  thing  I  think  is  good  is  the  expansion  of  the  K-V  money  uses. 
I  am  not  sure  of  the  exact  present  condition,  but  I  may  want  to 
have  the  K-V  money  used  not  just  on  the  stand  it  came  from,  but 
applied  to  a  much  broader  approach. 

I  hope  these  have  been  helpful. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Oliver  appears  at  the  conclusion 
of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  All  right.  Excellent. 

Dr.  Neuenschwander. 

STATEMENT  OF  LEON  F.  NEUENSCHWANDER,  PROFESSOR 
AND  ASSOCIATE  DEAN,  RESEARCH  AND  INTERNATIONAL 
PROGRAMS,  COLLEGE  OF  FORESTRY,  WILDLIFE,  AND  MA- 
RINE  SCIENCES,  UNIVERSITY  OF  IDAHO 

Mr.  Neuenschwander.  Mr.  Chairman,  members  of  the  sub- 
committee, thank  you  for  the  opportunity  to  testify  at  this  hearing. 
My  name  is  Leon  Neuenschwander.  I  represent  the  University  of 
Idaho  as  the  associate  dean  for  research  and  international  pro- 
grams in  the  college  of  forestry,  wildlife,  and  marine  sciences. 


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I  am  a  forest  and  range  ecologist,  and  I  will  speak  from  that  ex- 
pertise. 

As  you  have  heard  this  morning,  the  condition  of  many  of  the  for- 
ests in  eastern  Washington,  eastern  Oregon,  and  southern  Idaho, 
is  in  decline.  The  Forest  Service,  the  Bureau  of  Land  Management, 
the  State  of  Idaho,  and  private  lands  are  affected  by  occurrence  of 
insects  and  disease.  Some  people  call  this  a  health  problem,  as  if 
the  symptoms  could  be  treated  as  medical  science  treats  human  pa- 
tients. 

I  don't  believe  we  know  enough  about  forest  ecosystems  to  do 
that  with  the  comparable  degree  of  confidence.  But  we  need  to  de- 
velop the  knowledge  on  how  to  improve  forest  conditions,  because 
the  long-leaf  pine  forest-tjrpes  such  as  ponderosa  pines  will  con- 
tinue to  decline  and  give  way  to  more  and  more  shade-tolerant  tree 
species,  and  will  become  even  more  threatened  by  wildfire,  insects, 
and  disease. 

Extensive  landscape  ecosystem  management  with  silvicultural  al- 
ternatives and  prescribed  fire  is  needed  to  restore  forest  conditions 
and  prevent  further  forest  decline. 

Dead  and  dying  trees  from  insects  and  disease  provide  fuel  for 
wildfires.  Catastrophic  stand  replacement  by  wildfires  are  increas- 
ing in  the  northern  Rocky  Mountains.  In  some  locations,  dead  and 
dying  forests  have  recently  been  subject  to  catastrophic  fires. 

For  example,  in  the  Blue  Mountains  of  Oregon,  some  of  these  in- 
clude Joseph  Canyon,  Tepee  Butte,  Dooley  Mountain,  and  there  are 
more. 

A  well-known  example  was  the  fires  in  Yellowstone  National 
Park  in  1988,  and  the  Foothills  fire  near  Boise  in  1992.  In  the  past, 
and  I  fully  expect  in  the  future,  the  dead  and  dying  forests  set  the 
stage  for  catastrophic  fire  by  increasing  the  amount  of  understory 
plants  as  well  as  the  dead  woody  material  to  support  these  intense 
and  fast  spreading  fires. 

That  will  cost  more  to  suppress,  limit  resource  options,  and  cre- 
ate economic  loss.  I  believe  the  decline  in  the  forest  condition  is  re- 
lated to  both  natural  processes  and  management  policies,  especially 
at  the  exclusion  of  fire.  Some  of  the  natural  processes  include  forest 
succession,  moving  toward  more  dense  forests  with  more  shade  tol- 
erant trees. 

For  example,  ponderosa  pine  is  being  replaced  with  Douglas-fir, 
white  fir,  or  grand  fir.  This  change  in  species  composition  includes 
more  trees  that  are  more  susceptible  to  insects  and  disease,  espe- 
cially under  drought  conditions.  There  has  also  been  an  increase  in 
biomass  and  density  of  trees,  and  in  some  locations,  tree  numbers 
and  biomass  have  exceeded  the  carrying  capacity  of  the  site. 

Historically,  a  combination  of  wildfire,  drought,  insects,  and  dis- 
ease have  regulated  these  natural  successional  processes,  and  gen- 
erally favor  serai  trees  like  ponderosa  pine.  For  6  of  the  last  7 
years,  forests  in  Idaho,  eastern  Oregon,  and  Washington  have  been 
subject  to  drought  conditions.  Historically,  fire  has  occurred  often. 

As  you  heard  from  Steve  Arno,  that  is  every  7  to  25  years  in  the 
ponderosa  pine-type  in  southern  Idaho.  These  fires  remove  small 
trees,  but  the  large  trees  generally  survive.  Most  of  the  fires  to 
date  have  been  suppressed  and  fire  no  longer  plays  a  natural  role 


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in  reducing  the  stocking  levels  and  favoring  the  large  serai  forest 
species. 

In  fact,  fires  today  are  often  of  high  intensity  and  frequently 
wipe  out  large  areas  of  trees.  This  pattern  was  historically  present, 
but  seems  to  be  more  extensive  today.  Even  so,  the  total  number 
of  acres  being  burned  is  substantially  less  than  what  it  was  before 
the  turn  of  the  century  when  we  began  to  fight  forest  fires. 

The  fires  are  killing  many  of  the  large  ponderosa  pine  that  sur- 
vived the  surface  fires  of  the  past.  Old-growth  ponderosa  pine  is 
more  at  risk  of  being  killed  by  fire  today  than  ever  before. 

This  is  occurring  at  a  time  in  which  the  natural  regulators  of  in- 
sects and  disease,  such  as  forest  birds,  parasitic  insects,  and  even 
other  critters,  may  be  in  decline. 

Forest  management  research  is  needed  so  we  can  understand 
what  some  have  called  forest  health  issues,  and  to  understand 
them  as  an  ecosystem  process.  Insects,  disease,  and  fire  are  a  part 
of  these  natural  processes.  However,  these  factors  are  out  of  bal- 
ance and  appear  to  be  changing  the  forest  ecosystem  at  this  time. 

I  think  Dr.  Oliver  explained  what  out  of  balance  was;  not  all  of 
the  structural  stages  are  present. 

If  global  climate  change  occurs  as  some  have  predicted,  this  will 
create  a  more  serious  problem  for  forest  management  activities  in 
the  health  of  the  forest  in  this  region.  I  feel  that  an  urgent  need 
is  to  focus  on  sustaining  productive  forests  and  work  to  prevent  low 
growth  and  high  mortality  rates  that  are  now  occurring  in  the 
northern  Rocky  Mountains. 

We  can  do  this  only  by  addressing  the  condition  of  the  forests' 
ecosystem  as  a  whole,  and  in  addition  to  treating  the  symptoms  of 
forest  decline.  Dead  and  dying  trees  on  the  national  forests,  BLM 
lands.  State  lands,  private  lands,  represent  an  economic  loss  to 
Idaho. 

Salvage  of  dead  and  dying  trees  should  be  considered  and  exe- 
cuted in  such  a  way  as  to  guarantee  the  future  productivity  and 
maintenance  of  the  forest  ecosystem.  Some  scientists  have  studied 
the  forest  ecosystem  conditions — well,  scientist  versus  studied  the 
forest  ecosystem  conditions  for  decades. 

Even  with  this  extensive  knowledge  base,  we  do  not  have  conclu- 
sive answers.  There  are  many  different  opinions  and  views,  all  sup- 
ported in  part  by  research.  However,  the  bulk  of  the  research  has 
not  addressed  issues  dealing  with  forest  health  as  an  ecosystem 
process. 

I  hope  we  do  not  have  to  treat  forest  conditions  in  a  state  of  de- 
cline as  emergencies,  or  wait  for  forest  health  emergencies  to  occur 
before  we  manage  forest  ecosystems  for  sustainable  productivity. 
Forest  health  is  a  condition  of  the  forest,  and  is  not  only  scientif- 
ically complex,  but  highly  emotional.  We  at  the  University  of  Idaho 
can  assure  you  we  will  do  our  part  to  help  address  these  needs. 

Please  consider  that  you  need  the  long-term  science  based  solu- 
tions to  forest  ecosystem  productivity  in  addition  to  the  short-term 
treatment  of  the  visible  symptoms  of  forest  health  problems. 

Thank  you. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Neuenschwander  appears  at  the 
conclusion  of  the  hearing.] 


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Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you  very  much.  That  completes  all  the  panel's 
statements. 

Are  there  questions?  Congressman  LaRocco. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Dr.  Neuenschwander,  what  forest  management  ac- 
tivities do  you  believe  are  needed  to  increase  forest  health  and  re- 
turn the  number  of  acres  of  dead  and  dying  trees?  Do  you  have 
anything  in  mind  that  would  be  guidance  for  us  here? 

Mr.  Neuenschwander.  It  has  been  said  by  others  before  me,  and 
I  completely  agree,  the  most  important  thing  is  reduce  the  stocking 
level,  and  do  that  with  a  set  of  thinning  treatments,  some  kind  of — 
and  followed  in  most  cases,  if  we  are  looking  at  the  ponderosa  pine, 
dead  fir  zone,  followed  by  the  use  of  prescribed  fire.  Reducing  the 
stocking  levels  is  the  most  important  thing. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  We  have  heard  a  lot  about  density,  I  guess  that 
is  what  you  are  addressing,  right? 

Mr.  Neuenschwander.  Right. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Dr.  Oliver,  thank  you  very  much  for  your  com- 
ments. I  look  forward  to  reading  your  testimony  in  its  entirety.  You 
have  done  a  lot  of  work,  and  I  appreciate  that. 

To  Cal  Groen,  two  populations  of  bull  trout  and  one  population 
of  butterflies,  I  guess,  were  lost  in  the  Foothills  fire.  Do  you  see 
that  other  similar  losses  are  at  risk  with  the  forest  system  that 
strongly  appears  to  be  outside  its  range  of  variability? 

Mr.  Groen.  Yes,  we  are  going  to  have  other  species  at  risk.  I 
want  to  reiterate  the  point  that  I  see  different  appearances,  many 
different  structures,  so  that  we  have  to  have  that  type  of  diversity 
on  the  lands.  Some  are  saying  if  we  selective  cut,  that  is  good  for 
elk.  That  is  too  simplistic.  We  need  lots  of  different  appearances. 
For  example,  north  facing  slopes  would  have  a  differance  in  ap- 
pearance. One  glove  is  not  going  to  fit  all  in  this.  We  need  the 
biodiversity  and  the  many  different  structures. 

We  are  losing  some  of  our  natural  regulators,  like  Neotropic 
birds.  Studies  show  they  do  a  good  job  on  insects,  a  lot  better  job 
than  we  do.  So  we  have  to  consider  all  those  needs. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  As  Dr.  Neuenschwander  said,  if  the  decline  of  for- 
ests in  this  region  are  happening,  if  there  is  a  decline,  then  you 
would  agree  that  that  places  more  species  at  risk  through  cata- 
strophic wildfires  based  on  the  amount  of  fuel  that  is  available,  the 
density  of  the  stands,  and  other  factors?  What  you  are  concerned 
about  are  the  species  out  there? 

Mr.  Groen.  And  water  quality.  And  Foothills  was  a  big  situation. 
Yet  when  I  testified,  I  think  we  had  to  keep  our  eyes  on  this  broad 
landscape  approach,  much  broader  approach  than  individual  tim- 
ber sales. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Mr.  Tuttle,  it  is  good  to  see  the  National  Marine 
Fisheries  Service  in  Idaho.  I  have  just  finished  a  tour  of  my  district 
and  some  people  think  you  are  a  stealth  agency.  It  is  good  to  see 
you  in  person,  in  the  flesh  here. 

Do  the  sections  of  the  bill  that  deal  with  NEPA  and  other  things 
meet  your  needs  for  consultations?  Is  there  anything  that  should 
be  added  that  takes  in  this  new  situation  where  you  are  looking 
over  the  shoulder  of  every  land  manager  just  about  in  the  State  of 
Idaho  now,  because  of  the  listing? 


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Mr.  TUTTLE.  I  think  the  sections  in  the  bill  do  a  fairly  good  job 
with  that.  Our  concern  is  looking  at  the  broader  picture,  rather 
than  getting  into  a  case  by  case,  timber  sale  here,  timber  sale  there 
approach.  We  need  to  look  at  a  watershed  and  make  sure  that 
when  we  worked  over  the  watershed  with  the  Forest  Service  or 
BLM,  that  there  will  be  improved  salmon  production  in  that  water- 
shed. 

So  if  we  can  go  by  the  broader  approach,  we  are  better  off. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  I  know  you  are  not  here  to  make  a  commitment 
on  all  of  this,  but  if  we  moved  ahead  on  forest  health  activities  in 
those  areas,  and  your  position  is  to  increase  the  habitat  for  salmon, 
are  you  confident  that  the  two  are  compatible,  that  we  can  move 
ahead  with  forest  health  activities  in  those  areas?  Whatever  they 
may  be,  and  I  am  not  talking  about  just  salvage  here,  because  this 
bill  is  broader  than  that,  but  is  it  your  new  role  that  you  are  going 
to  be  shaking  your  head  no  and  saying  these  forest  health  activities 
can't  move  on? 

Mr.  TuTTLE.  I  think  there  are  ways  we  can  accomplish  the  goals 
of  saving  the  salmon  as  well  as  forest  health.  We  have  seen  the 
helicopter  logging.  We  have  seen  the  use  of  straw  bales  to  stop  sil- 
tation  on  slopes.  In  some  cases,  roads  are  being  put  to  bed,  roads 
that  were  scars  on  the  landscape  that  were  bleeding  silt  into  the 
streams,  and  that  silt  has  a  choking  effect  on  salmon  eggs  and  the 
productivity  of  aquatic  life. 

So  there  are  ways  to  address  those  kinds  of  problems.  I  don't  see 
it  as  a  matter  of  saying  no  to  forest  health  activities.  I  see  it  as 
a  matter  of  working  together,  solving  the  problems,  and  moving  on. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Once  again,  you  feel  the  language  in  the  bill  prop- 
erly allows  for  your  role  as  the  language  now  stands? 

Mr.  TuTTLE.  As  I  saw  it,  it  did.  I  am  not  making  a  comment, 
though,  for  the  Department  of  Commerce.  I  made  that  fairly  clear 
in  my  opening  statement. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  But  as  you  read  it? 

Mr.  TUTTLE.  Yes. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Because  we  are  looking  for  ways  to  fine-tune  this. 
We  are  trying  to  realize  obstructions,  deal  with  them,  and  move  on. 
So,  Mr.  Chairman,  I  think  this  panel  has  been  very  helpful. 

Mr.  Malany,  I  certainly  appreciate  your  testimony,  the  work  you 
have  done.  I  have  done  a  lot  of  work  with  Dave  Van  DeGraaff,  I 
have  seen  his  work  on  the  ground,  I  have  seen  the  way  the  Boise 
Cascade  managers  operate.  I  appreciate  your  being  here.  Congratu- 
lations on  your  award. 

Mr.  Malany.  Thank  you. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you  all  very  much. 

What  is  the  condition  of  the  salmon  now,  say,  down  in  the  mouth 
of  the  Columbia  River?  I  have  four  coastal  counties  in  my  district 
in  North  Carolina.  I  subscribe  to  a  magazine  called  National  Fish- 
erman. In  the  current  article,  current  issue  there  is  a  big  article 
about  salmon,  those  people  who  trawl  for  salmon.  I  think  you  have 
done  something  to  pretty  well  shut  that  down;  is  that  right? 

Mr.  TuTTLE.  We  have  cut  back  substantially  on  the  fisheries. 

Mr.  Rose.  On  the  trollers? 

Mr.  TUTTLE.  On  the  trollers  as  well  as  the  gill  netters  in  the  Co- 
lumbia system,  and  some  of  the  Native  American  harvest  as  well. 


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The  reason  for  that  is  because  we  found  that  each  of  those  four  sec- 
tors that  I  mentioned  earher,  harvest,  hydropower,  habitat,  and 
hatcheries,  needed  to  make  improvements  in  order  to  bring  these 
salmon  back  or  stop  their  decline. 

That  is  why  we  have  substantially  cut  back  on  the  harvest  of 
fish. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you  all  very  much.  We  appreciate  your  pres- 
ence. We  got  some  good  information  from  all  of  you. 

Our  last  panel  consists  of  Mr.  Neil  Sampson,  executive  vice  presi- 
dent, American  Forests;  Mr.  Lou  Foruria,  president,  WCIW  No. 
2816  of  the  United  Brotherhood  of  Carpenters  and  Joiners  of  Amer- 
ica; Mr.  Craig  G^hrke,  regional  director,  the  Wilderness  Society; 
and  Dr.  Art  Partridge,  professor  of  plant  pathology,  college  of  for- 
estry, University  of  Idaho. 

Mr.  Gehrke,  why  don't  you  lead  off  here.  We  will  make  your 
whole  statement  a  part  of  the  record.  We  would  like  you  to  summa- 
rize, or  whatever  you  would  like  to  do. 

STATEMENT  OF  CRAIG  GEHRKE,  REGIONAL  DIRECTOR,  IDAHO 
OFFICE,  WILDERNESS  SOCIETY 

Mr.  Gehrke.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

My  name  is  Craig  Gehrke.  The  Wilderness  Society  is  based  in 
Washington,  DC. 

Mr.  Rose.  What  is  in  Seattle? 

Mr.  Gehrke.  We  have  a  regional  office  in  Seattle.  All  the  West- 
ern States  have  regional  offices  that  address  the  single  State  they 
are  located  in. 

Mr.  Rose.  I  have  some  friends  that  work  in  Seattle.  I  don't  know 
whether  you  are  aware  of  them  or  not. 

Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  I  appreciate  the  opportunity  to  come  and  testify  for 
you.  The  forest  health  issue  has  dominated  national  forest  manage- 
ment discussions  for  the  past  several  years.  People  are  very  con- 
cerned about  the  long-term  health  of  the  forests  and  all  the  re- 
sources there,  not  just  the  trees,  but  also  the  water  quality,  the 
wildlife,  plant  communities. 

It  has  also  been  a  very  emotional  issue.  Over  the  last  couple  of 
years  we  have  been  hearing  that  leaving  trees  in  the  forest — leav- 
ing dead  trees  in  the  forest  is  a  waste  and  that  bad,  very  large  fires 
go  through  the  watersheds  and  subsequently  destroy  the  fisheries. 
But  I  think  a  lot  of  folks  have  evolved  to  the  point  where  they 
know  that  nothing  is  really  wasted  in  an  ecosystem. 

If  a  tree  dies  out  there,  it  falls  over  and  rots  in  the  ground,  it 
replenishes  the  soil.  While  it  is  standing,  it  provides  habitat  for  dif- 
ferent species.  I  would  like  to  point  out  that  in  the  Panhandle  For- 
est in  Idaho,  they  recently  surveyed  the  water  quality  and  found 
it  is  declining  out  there.  The  Forest  Service  tied  that  to  logging  and 
roadbuilding. 

In  fact  they  found  that  the  watersheds  up  in  the  St.  Joe  River 
were  some  of  the  best  water  quality  they  have.  Those  are  the  same 
ones  that  burned  in  the  1910  fire,  which  is  the  largest  fire  this  re- 
gion has  ever  seen. 

The  direction  we  need  to  go  with  forest  health  is  to  where  a  lot 
of  the  people  testified  today  have  mentioned,  and  that  is  called  eco- 


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system  health.  It  is  true  that  the  forest  ecosystems  in  Idaho  are 
under  stress.  There  is  no  question  about  that.  It  is  not  just  related 
directly  to  insects  and  disease,  though.  It  is  also  linked  to  some  of 
the  activities  that  man  has  done  to  the  forest. 

The  most  important  thing  we  can  do  is  make  sure  the  Forest 
Service  avoids  past  mistakes  in  assuming  we  now  know  exactly 
what  to  do  to  fix  forest  health  and  go  about  to  effect  a  single  cure. 
Ecosystems  are  very  complex  and  varied.  The  strategies  to  mimic 
these  processes  will  be  no  less  complex  and  no  less  varied. 

Unfortunately,  the  Wilderness  Society  doesn't  support  H.R.  229, 
the  National  Forest  Health  Act.  We  think  the  idea  of  declaring  for- 
est health  emergencies  and  forest  health  programs  is  a  step  back- 
ward from  ecosystem  management,  and  it  is  likely  to  create  a  siege 
mentality  within  the  Forest  Service  that  they  have  to  get  out  and 
do  something. 

Mr.  Rose.  I  reacted  to  that  before  you  talked  about  the  emer- 
gency nature  of  things.  But  you  basically  do  support  ecosystems 
management  as  the  approach  that  should  be  taken. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  That  is  correct. 

Mr.  Rose.  But  you  say  you  worry  about  calling  them  an  emer- 
gency. Isn't  that  mainly  because  of  your  concern  about  procedural 
matters? 

Mr.  Gehrke.  Correct. 

Mr.  Rose.  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  We  are  afraid  by  having  emergencies  declared,  by 
having  a  setup  that,  like  I  said,  presents  a  siege  mentality,  there 
would  be  the  temptation  to  cut  corners  in  forest  management,  and 
that  is  the  last  thing  we  want  to  do  at  this  point.  We  think  there 
needs  to  be  a  careful,  thoughtful  approach  to  national  forest  man- 
agement, one  that  involves  as  many  agencies  as  possible. 

We  are  very  concerned  about  the  provision  that,  as  I  read  it, 
would  suggest  that  section  102  subsection  2  of  the  National  Envi- 
ronmental Policy  Act  wouldn't  apply  to  the  declaration  of  the  emer- 
gency or  the  forest  health  program.  This  section  is  a  very  impor- 
tant part  of  the  environmental  analysis,  in  that  it  requires  alter- 
native actions  to  be  developed,  short-term  or  long-term  effects  to  be 
identified,  irretrievable  commitments  be  identified,  and  also  consult 
other  agencies,  bring  them  into  the  process  early. 

I  think  you  want  to  do  that  with  forest  health  management,  in- 
cluding the  urgency  of  declarations.  I  think  H.R.  229  suggests  that 
part  of  NEPA  not  apply  to  the  program  subsequently  developed. 

It  is  also  confusing  to  me  in  the  legislation  whether  or  not  the 
administrative  appeal  process  would  apply  to  the  emergency  dec- 
laration or  the  forest  health  program.  I  think  it  is  quite  clear  that 
if  a  forest  plan  amendment  is  required,  that  it  would  be  an  appeal 
possibility.  However,  a  forest  plan  amendment  is  not  acquired  to 
implement  an  emergency,  there  would  not  be  an  appeal  process. 

The  forest  plans  are  broad  documents.  You  talked  about  the 
Boise  Forest  plan.  They  have  been  salvaging  almost  100  percent  of 
their  timber  harvest  under  salvage.  That  was  not  seen  in  the  forest 
plan,  yet  they  have  been  able  to  do  that.  They  have  seen  no  need 
for  an  amendment. 

So  like  I  said,  forest  plans  are  very  broad,  very  programmatic.  I 
think  by  saying  you  don't  have  an  appeal  opportunity  unless  you 


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have  made  your  forest  plan,  that  is  effectively  saying  there  is  not 
going  to  be  an  appeal  possible. 

Mr.  Rose.  The  whole  business  of  salvage  is  a  pretty  hot  issue 
with  your  group. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  It  is  very  hot.  We  have  worked  with  the  Forest 
Service  on  a  lot  of  salvage  sales.  Some  of  them  we  have  been  very 
pleased  with  how  the  Forest  Service  goes  about  them.  We  are  not 
against  salvage.  We  are  against  salvage  all  across  the  forest  on  a 
broad  landscape.  We  would  not  go  in  and  salvage  in  all  places. 

Mr.  Rose.  What  is  your  understanding  of  what  is  being  done 
with  the  salvage  material? 

Mr.  Gehrke.  Salvage  is  just  the  extraction  of  commercial  value 
of  dead  trees,  as  far  as  I  am  concerned. 

Mr.  Rose.  What  use  do  you  see  that  being  used  for? 

Mr.  Gehrke.  Lumber  products,  whatever. 

Mr.  Rose.  Chips? 

Mr.  Gehrke.  After  the  logs  leave  the  forest,  I  don't  trace  them 
anymore.  They  are  basically  down  the  road,  as  far  as  I  am  con- 
cerned. 

Mr.  Rose.  All  right.  Go  ahead. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  There  was  a  recent  Forest  Service  publication  they 
put  out  about  the  strategy  for  forest  health.  In  that  document  they 
stressed  the  need  for  adequate  NEPA  analysis.  I  would  just  like  to 
read  that  briefly  to  you.  It  says,  "Forest  pest  suppression  activities 
require  supporting  environmental  analysis.  Conducting  a  NEPA 
analysis  on  a  planned  basis  avoids  the  higher  costs  incurred  when 
these  analyses  are  done  on  an  emergency  basis  and  would  allow  for 
rapid  responses  against  low-level  but  increasing  populations  of  a 
threatening  pest.  Preparation  of  program-level  or  broad-scale 
NEPA  documents  also  facilitates  early  communications  with  the 
public." 

I  think  if  you  are  going  to  deal  with  ecosystem  health  you  don't 
want  to  leave  out  any  steps  of  NEPA.  You  want  to  go  through  it 
by  the  book.  I  mentioned  earlier,  and  I  will  just  conclude  to  say, 
I  do  agree  that  Idaho's  national  forests  are  under  stress  right  now. 
A  lot  of  them  are  unraveling.  Part  of  it  is  from  insects  and  disease, 
but  a  large  part  is  from  our  past  forest  practices.  Idaho's  national 
forests  already  have  a  road  system  six  times  the  size  of  the  State 
highway  system. 

Each  year  these  roads  put  sediment  into  our  streams  and  frag- 
ment wildlife  habitat.  Fish  and  game  now  questions  the  long-term 
viability  of  cutthroat  trout  in  Little  North  Fork.  Statewide,  fish  and 
game  estimates  that  11  percent  of  blue  ribbon  cutthroat  trout  is 
left.  We  have  lots  of  problems  on  our  forests.  Those  are  emer- 
gencies in  my  mind  also.  But  I  don't  think  we  need — what  I  think 
is  needed  is  ecosystem  management. 

The  opportunity  is  here  for  the  Forest  Service  to  really  get  into 
it  and  not  just  talk  about  it  more.  I  am  afraid  that  H.R.  229  would 
diffuse  that.  People  will  focus  attention  on,  quote,  emergencies.  I 
am  afraid  the  whole  attitude  of  the  bill,  whether  or  not  it  is  inten- 
tional or  not,  is  going  to  foster  short-term  programs  without  look- 
ing at  the  long  term,  and  that  is  not  going  to  solve  these  problems. 

What  I  think  does  need  to  happen  is  that  the  Forest  Service 
through  the  appropriations  process  does  need  additional  funding  to 


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develop  fire  management  plans  to  put  fire  back  in  the  ecosystem. 
They  need  to  look  at  landscape  level  planning,  not  emergencies,  not 
forest  health  programs.  They  need  to  step  back  and  look  like  they 
are  looking  at  the  entire  Payette  drainage,  what  is  happening  fur- 
ther down  as  it  drains  into  the  larger  rivers. 

I  think  the  Forest  Service  may  be  inching  toward  that  on  their 
own.  It  is  slow.  I  think  they  need  direction  probably  through  the 
appropriations  process  to  speed  up  ecosystem  management,  to  de- 
fine it,  to  get  going  on  it.  But  nevertheless,  I  believe  that  H.R.  229 
would  diffuse  that.  I  don't  think  this  legislation  is  needed.  I  think 
that  what  they  need  is  a  long-term  solution  that  the  scientists  in 
the  Forest  Service  are  prepared  to  try  to  implement. 

Thank  you. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Gehrke  appears  at  the  conclusion 
of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  Mr.  Sampson,  executive  vice  president,  American  For- 
ests, Washington,  DC. 

STATEMENT  OF  NEIL  SAMPSON,  EXECUTIVE  VICE  PRESIDENT, 

AMERICAN  FORESTS 

Mr.  Sampson.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  am  Neil  Sampson,  executive  vice  president  of  American  Forests, 
we  are  a  citizen  conservation  organization.  It  is  great  to  get  back 
to  Idaho.  I  left  an  office  in  this  building  20  years  ago.  That  was 
as  a  fourth-generation  Idahoan  whose  great  grandparents  got  here 
in  1850.  So  it  is  good  to  be  back.  It  is  not  good  to  see  some  of  the 
things  we  see,  but  it  is  good  to  be  back. 

There  are  a  couple  of  comments  that  I  would  like  to  make.  My 
statement  is  before  you,  and  I  ask  that  it  be  inserted  in  the  record. 
Let  me  focus  on  a  few  things  that  perhaps  add  a  little  breadth.  We 
talked  this  morning  about  the  change  in  fire  histories.  Mr.  Peter- 
son asked  about  what  caused  this.  I  would  like  to  only  put  in  the 
record  three  things  that  weren't  mentioned. 

Our  predecessors  virtually  eliminated  the  effect  of  Native  Ameri- 
cans on  this  land.  Native  Americans  used  fire  in  their  management 
considerably,  and  it  made  a  considerable  change.  Settlers  brought 
in  millions  of  sheep  and  cattle  and  grazed  out  all  the  fine  fuels  that 
would  feed  the  ground  fires.  They  plowed  up  the  valleys,  which  had 
historically  carried  the  fires  from  one  mountain  to  another. 

We  changed  this  landscape  a  great  deal.  We  have  changed  the 
forests  a  lot,  not  always  with  forestry.  So  we  have  a  situation  that 
is  very  different.  Three  years  ago  I  was  asked  by  the  Secretaries 
of  Agriculture  and  Interior  to  chair  a  national  commission  on  wild- 
fire disasters  that  stemmed  from  legislation  written  in  the  House 
Agriculture  Committee,  and  was  given  the  charge  to  take  a  look  at 
this. 

The  original  question  asked  was,  do  we  have  a  fire  suppression 
and  control  problem?  Our  studies,  which  took  us  all  over  the  coun- 
try, but  mainly  in  the  west,  discovered  that  that  really  wasn't  the 
problem.  What  we  had  was  a  land  problem.  We  had  major  regions 
where  forest  and  grassland  systems  were  going  far  out  of  range,  as 
you  heard  this  morning.  It  is  not  just  Idaho.  It  runs  from  here  to 
Mexico.  There  are  major  systems  where  conditions  are  out,  way  out 
of  their  standard  range. 


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It  was  not  just  drought  that  caused  the  current  problem.  I  want 
to  hasten  to  say  that.  We  have  heard  about  the  drought  triggering 
forest  dieback,  and  it  certainly  did.  But  the  drought  in  the  1930's 
and  the  1960's  didn't  trigger  those  same  effects.  We  are  at  a  decade 
unlike  those  we  have  ever  known.  We  are  100  to  120  years  after 
the  initial  impact  of  settlement,  which  saw  farming  move  into  these 
areas.  These  forest  stands  have  had  that  long  to  get  into  the  condi- 
tion they  are  in  today. 

In  the  1960's  drought,  when  I  was  working  around  this  State 
doing  hydrology  and  watershed  studies,  we  didn't  see  this  kind  of 
impact  on  forests.  But  you  have  to  understand  that  the  forests 
were  nowhere  near  as  thick.  The  canopies  were  nowhere  near  as 
large.  There  was  not  anywhere  near  as  much  demand  on  soil  mois- 
ture or  soil  nutrients. 

The  physics  of  getting  water  and  nutrients  from  dry  soil  to  the 
top  of  a  50-foot  tree  are  very  different  than  the  physics  of  getting 
water  and  nutrients  in  similarly  dry  soil  to  the  top  of  a  90-foot  tree. 

This  event  has  happened  in  a  particular  time.  It  happened  in 
time  and  space  both,  and  you  have  heard  about  that.  The  conclu- 
sion today,  from  many  people,  is  that  disaster  wildfires  are  almost 
certain  to  come  to  much  of  this  area  at  some  point  in  time.  The  vi- 
sion of  a  Yellowstone  event  complete  with  houses,  towns,  and  busi- 
nesses is  pretty  frightening,  particularly  to  those  people  with 
houses  backed  up  against  a  piece  of  forest  that  is  so  overly  laden 
with  fuels  there  is  not  a  chance  to  stop  a  fire  once  it  gets  started. 
Those  people  have  great  fears,  and  rightfully  so. 

So  we  are  looking  at  what  we  think  is  not  just  a  major  financial 
risk,  but  I  want  to  also  point  out  there  are  major  environmental 
risks.  You  have  heard  about  fires  this  morning  that  are  far  more 
intense  than  the  natural  range  of  events.  That  has  implications  for 
soils  and  watersheds  as  well  as  trees  and  other  species.  When  we 
see  soils  with  the  soil  carbon  burned  out,  so  far  as  we  can  tell,  to 
12  and  14  inches  deep,  and  watersheds  destroyed  almost  totally  for 
at  least  a  short  time,  you  can  have  so  much  site  change  in  just  that 
little  short  time,  that  you  are  at  great  risk  of  getting  back  the  for- 
est you  had  there  before. 

When  fire  takes  all  that  organic  matter  out  of  those  soils,  make 
many  of  those  soil  layers  hydrophobic  for  several  years,  so  they 
don't  take  water  at  all,  it  converts  a  watershed  into  a  complete  run- 
off machine.  This  can  change  that  site  so  that  you  just  have  a  very 
difficult  time  reinventing  a  forest  under  any  circumstances,  by  na- 
ture or  by  human  assistance. 

I  hasten  to  remind  you  that  the  forests  we  are  looking  at,  many 
of  them,  including  the  Boise,  are  on  the  edge  of  a  desert.  It  doesn't 
take  much  change  on  the  Boise  before  you  have  sagebrush,  not 
trees.  That  is  the  situation  we  face. 

Of  course,  the  issue  is,  what  do  you  do  now?  I  love  this  notion 
about  long-term  studies  and  things.  I  am  a  scientist,  and  I  look  at 
that  too,  but  when  you  are  a  land  manager,  and  have  facts  in  your 
face,  what  do  you  do  now  and  what  do  you  do  next,  and  where  does 
that  take  you  in  the  long  term? 

The  second  major  thing  we  discovered  is  that  this  situation  is 
counter  intuitive  to  a  lot  of  the  forest  issues  with  which  folks  are 
used  to  dealing.  We  use  the  term  forest  health  not  because  we  are 


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so  sure  scientifically  we  know  what  health  is,  but  because  it  con- 
jures up  the  notion  of  treatment.  And  what  these  forests  need  is 
not  timber  sales,  not  salvage  sales.  They  need  treatment,  and  that 
need  differs  from  site  to  site  and  place  to  place. 

You  have  heard  plenty  about  this  this  morning.  We  use  the 
health  notion  to  conjure  up  the  idea  that  these  forests  need  treat- 
ment, they  need  help.  That  includes  fuel  reduction,  burning, 
changes  in  grazing,  roads  fixed  or  closed,  riparian  areas  restored, 
a  lot  of  things  besides  just  the  removal  of  forest  products.  You  have 
heard  a  lot  about  that. 

There  are  at  least  some  market  opportunities  that  can  help  pay 
for  that  work,  and  that  is  a  pretty  good  opportunity. 

Mr.  LaRocco  took  the  leadership  on  this  issue  a  year  ago  when 
we  testified.  I  want  to  commend  him  for  the  leadership  he  exerted 
in  getting  us  all  together  to  talk  this  whole  situation  out.  Yes,  we 
use  the  term  "emergency."  We  weren't  trying  to  create  a  bunker 
mentality.  We  were  trying  to  change  business  as  usual.  Business 
as  usual  clearly  wasn't  doing  it.  If  there  had  been  a  better  word, 
we  would  use  it.  If  there  is  a  better  word  today,  I  would  be  willing 
to  change. 

What  we  are  trying  to  do  is  hasten  the  switch  to  ecosystem  man- 
agement, build  a  bridge  between  business  as  usual,  which  wasn't 
working,  and  a  set  of  practices  which  now  science  and  a  lot  of  pub- 
lic opinion  tell  us  are  going  to  be  a  lot  better. 

We  have  to  change  the  culture,  the  practice,  the  budgets,  the  ap- 
propriations, and  a  whole  lot  of  other  things  that  have  caused  us 
to  be  where  they  are  at.  To  do  that  you  have  to  say  "whoa"  loud 
enough  to  get  the  folks  back  in  Washington  to  look  hard  enough 
to  see  what  needs  to  be  changed,  and  to  get  the  folks  in  the  agency 
to  agree  that  something  needs  to  be  changed. 

I  would  be  happy  to  change  the  bill  if  there  is  another  way  to 
accomplish  the  same  thing,  but  it  has  to  happen.  We  can't  just 
keep  muddling  along  doing  old  paradigm  forestry  under  these  cir- 
cumstances. In  spite  of  the  issues  that  still  must  be  resolved  in 
H.R.  229,  I  happen  to  think  it  offers  one  of  the  best  opportunities 
available  for  Congress  to  help  the  Forest  Service  into  a  new  era  of 
stewardship  on  public  lands,  an  era  consistent  with  the  demands 
of  an  environmentally  demanding  public  and  a  real  opportunity  for 
these  forests  to  produce  jobs  and  products  while  being  operated  in 
an  environmentally  sound  manner. 

I  said  before,  as  a  fourth-generation  Idahoan,  I  am  personally 
gratified  that  you  brought  this  hearing  to  Boise  to  listen  to  testi- 
mony about  this  situation.  What  we  have  going  on  out  here  is  dif- 
ferent than  what  is  happening  in  a  lot  of  other  places.  All  the  for- 
ests in  the  world  are  not  Pacific  old-growth  forests,  despite  what 
we  see  in  the  newspapers.  This  is  a  different  problem  and  it  needs 
different  attention. 

The  forests  in  this  region  are  crying  out  for  help.  The  people  that 
live  within  them  are  at  significant  risk.  Our  public  Treasury  is  at 
significant  risk.  They  talk  about  257,000  acres  burning  here  in 
1992.  We  should  also  talk  about  $22  million  in  fire  control  and  re- 
habilitation; $900  an  acre  that  was  spent  on  the  Foothills.  We 
could  have  done  preventive  work  on  a  fair  comer  of  the  forest  with 
$900  an  acre.  I  wish  we  had  been  able  to  do  it. 


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In  the  testimony  last  year,  we  held  forth,  and  were  castigated  for 
holding  forth,  PoUyannaish  visions.  I  testified  we  could  bring  the 
forest  products  industry  and  the  environmental  community  to- 
gether and  make  mutual  cause  for  the  first  time  in  recent  memory 
on  a  forest  management  issue. 

To  my  great  satisfaction,  with  Mr.  LaRocco's  leadership,  we  darn 
near  achieved  that  goal.  We  made  great  strides.  Our  friends  in  the 
environmental  community,  including  the  Wilderness  Society  and 
other  organizations,  as  well  as  in  the  forest  products  industry,  were 
able  to  come  together.  And  we  worked  out  a  lot  of  problems.  We 
are  a  lot  closer  to  where  we  want  to  be  right  now  with  H.R.  229, 
in  my  judgment,  than  we  were  last  year  when  we  started  with  H.R. 
4980. 

We  would  like  to  urge  the  Congressmen  on  this  subcommittee  to 
not  give  up  now.  You  are  on  the  right  track.  Events  have  proven 
you  right.  One  of  the  participants  in  last  year's  marathon  said,  "I 
hope  we  don't  have  to  do  that  again."  My  advice  to  him  was,  I  hope 
he  keeps  his  credit  card  and  his  airplane  tickets  handy,  because, 
Congressmen,  I  hope  we  do  it. 

I  hope  you  take  this  bill  in  front  of  you,  refine  it  in  ways  we  have 
heard  about  today  and  will  hear  about  more,  and  begin  to  move  it 
as  a  bridge  to  a  new  era  in  national  forest  and  public  land  manage- 
ment. 

Thank  you  very  much. 

Mr.  Rose.  Thank  you  very  much. 

We  are  running  out  of  time,  and  I  want  Mr.  Foruria  to  go  next, 
and  then  Dr.  Partridge,  but  Mr.  Gehrke,  can  you  all,  can  the  Wil- 
derness Society — how  far  apart  would  you  say  you  and  Mr.  Samp- 
son are?  Is  there  any  room  to  work  there?  Does  your  organization 
just  believe  that — I  mean,  the  name  Wilderness  Society  does  not 
imply  managed  forest  practices,  you  understand.  Let's  just  sort  of 
get  that  out. 

If  you  all  don't  want  any  forests  touched  for  any  purpose,  that 
is  fine.  The  Forest  Trust  Organization  that  I  have  met  with  has 
more  of  a  managed  forest  approach. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  We  do  a  lot  of  work  on  forest  management,  so  we 
have  been  involved  in  this.  I  would  still  say,  of  course  we  can  talk 
with  Mr.  Sampson,  we  talk  with  Congressman  LaRocco.  I  still  in 
my  heart  don't  think  legislation  is  needed.  I  still  think  that  the 
goal  of  this  is  to  get  more  attention  on  the  ground  and  to  address 
ecosystem  management.  That  can  be  done  through  the  appropria- 
tion process.  I  don't  think  you  need  freestanding  legislation. 

Mr.  Rose.  We  in  the  authorizing  committees  don't  like  to  hear 
a  lot  of  things  being  done,  you  understand,  by  the  appropriators. 
We  know  that  has  become  popular  and  fashionable  in  Washington. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  And  quicker. 

Mr.  Rose.  Well,  sometimes,  sometimes.  But  we — all  right.  Well, 
it  is  Steve  Whitney  that  I  am  thinking  about. 

Mr.  Gehrke.  He  is  my  counterpart  in  Seattle. 

Mr.  Rose.  He  doesn't  like  the  way  I  vote.  He  is  my  friend,  but 
he  probably  wouldn't  be  any  happier  than  you  would  be  with  man- 
aged systems. 

Mr.  Foruria. 


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STATEMENT  OF  LOU  FORURIA,  PRESIDENT,  WCIW  NO.  2816, 
UNITED  BROTHERHOOD  OF  CARPENTERS  AND  JOINERS  OF 
AMERICA 

Mr.  FORURIA.  Good  morning,  Chairman  Rose,  Representatives 
LaRocco  and  Peterson.  I  am  a  native  Idahoan. 

At  this  time  I  would  Hke  to — I  am  going  to  make  this  short.  I 
don't  want  to  take  too  much  of  your  time.  I  want  to  thank  Rep- 
resentative LaRocca  for  letting  me  come  before  you  and  testify. 

I  have  been  representing  the  forest  products  workers  for  several 
years.  I  have  seen  our  future  threatened  by  the  Federal  Govern- 
ment, how  they  are  mismanaging  the  forest  and  the  public  lands 
in  Idaho.  We  do  have  a  problem  on  the  forests.  And  I  can  attest 
to  that.  But  I  will  cut  this  short. 

I  strongly  support  Representative  LaRocco's  bill,  H.R.  229,  the 
National  Forest  Health  Act. 

I  feel  Representative  LaRocco's  bill  is  going  to  be  a  balanced  ap- 
proach to  this  issue  on  the  forests.  I  strongly  support  it. 

Idaho  residents  are  also  concerned  about  timber  jobs  in  Idaho, 
we  are  concerned  about  the  wilderness.  The  forest  health  salvage 
issues,  the  effects  on  endangered  species,  right  on  down  the  line. 
You  have  my  testimony  so  I  won't  read  all  of  it. 

I  just  want  to  say  in  closing,  I  believe  like  the  majority  of  Idaho- 
ans  we  must  find  a  reasonable  balance,  a  balance  that  guarantees 
the  health  of  our  forest  and  of  our  subcommittee,  enables  Idaho 
residents  to  continue  to  provide  a  future  for  their  families  and  com- 
munities. 

I  thank  you. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Foruria  appears  at  the  conclu- 
sion of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  We  thank  you  very  much  for  bringing  us  this  testi- 
mony. It  will  all  be  printed  in  its  entirety  in  the  record,  together 
with  the  letter  that  you  have  sent  to  us  from  your  president,  Ran- 
dall Ambuehl.  Tell  him  thank  you  for  letting  you  come.  We  appre- 
ciate what  you  had  to  say. 

Mr.  FORURIA.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

Mr.  Rose.  Dr.  Partridge,  professor  of  plant  pathology,  college  of 
forestry,  University  of  Idaho. 

STATEMENT  OF  ARTHUR  D.  PARTRIDGE,  PROFESSOR,  PLANT 
PATHOLOGY,  COLLEGE  OF  FORESTRY,  UNIVERSITY  OF  IDAHO 

Mr.  Partridge.  Thank  you. 

I  have  given  you  an  outline  of  my  thoughts.  I  am  going  to  high- 
light them  rather  than  spend  a  great  deal  of  time  with  you.  I  want 
it  stated  at  the  outset  that  I  have  severe  reservations  about  the 
bill,  although  I  think  it  has  a  lot  of  potential.  However,  I  think  the 
bill  has  been  generated  using  Forest  Service  data  and  is  greatly  er- 
roneous in  terms  of  its  impact  statements. 

There  are  indeed  disease  and  insect  problems  here  in  the  North- 
west. They  are  not  imminent.  Let  me  tell  you  now  that  most  dis- 
eases take  decades  to  develop.  Most  insect  populations  take  dec- 
ades to  evolve.  They  don't  happen  overnight  and  you  don't  cure 
them  overnight.  If  that  is  the  intent  of  the  bill,  it  won't  work.  It 
never  is  going  to  work. 


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I  don't  think  that  is  the  intent,  but  that  is  the  apparent  intent. 
These  things  take  ages  to  work.  I  have  indicated  some  of  the  things 
that  have  happened  before  in  what  I  have  given  you.  I  am  not 
going  to  go  through  those. 

Also  I  want  you  to  notice  that  a  direct  attack  on  an  insect  or  dis- 
ease problem  in  a  forest  in  the  United  States  has  never  worked. 
You  can't  name  me  one  disease  or  one  insect  population  that  has 
been  controlled  by  direct  attack,  whether  it  be  spraying, 
silviculture,  or  anything  else.  It  has  not  worked. 

We  have  to  go  to  ecosystem  dynamics  and  we  have  to  recognize 
these  things  as  a  part  of  an  ecosystem,  that  fungus  is  there  be- 
cause it  fits  there.  It  is  not  put  there  accidentally.  And  if  it  causes 
a  root  disease,  it  also  does  other  things  as  well.  It  provides  feed  for 
other  animals  and  other  deposits.  It  also  provides  that  that  tree 
goes  back  into  the  ecosystem,  becoming  part  of  that  soil,  developing 
a  soil  which  is  friable  and  dynamic,  that  absorbs  moisture. 

This  is  not  something  to  destroy.  If  you  destroy  that  fungus  in 
the  ecosystem,  you  destroy  the  ecosystem.  So  we  have  to  watch 
that  viewpoint  when  we  talk  about  health  of  forests. 

I  think  if  you  are  going  to  have  this  sort  of  a  plan,  and  the  Forest 
Service  is  going  to  oversee  it,  it  is  kind  of  like  the  fox  in  the  hen- 
house. You  have  to  watch  it. 

I  think  you  want  to  put  some  strong  provisions  in  here  to  watch 
it.  I  represent  the  environmental  community,  not  the  University  of 
Idaho  here.  I  represent  them  because  I  have  seen  a  change  in  phi- 
losophy here  that  disturbs  me. 

The  salvage  bill  has  been  misused  greatly  since  it  was  intro- 
duced. I  went  to  a  place  just  the  other  day,  a  root  rot  center,  where 
the  salvage  bill  is  being  used.  They  were  cutting 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Dr.  Partridge,  excuse  me  for  interrupting,  but 
there  has  been  no  bill  passed. 

Mr.  Partridge.  I  know  that.  I  shouldn't  have  said  that  that  way. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  You  were  not  referring  to  my  salvage  bill. 

Mr.  Partridge.  I  said  that  wrongly,  if  I  did.  But  in  the  name  of 
salvage,  put  it  that  way.  The  salvage  concept,  I  should  say,  has 
been  misused.  Excuse  me  if  I  misled  you. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  When  you  said  "your,"  you  were  looking  right  at 
me. 

Mr.  Partridge.  I  was  thinking  about  what  I  testified  to  about 
that  bill.  I  am  sorry. 

Anyway,  the  concept  has  been  greatly  distorted,  and  the  place  I 
went  to  the  other  day,  there  was  a  root  rot  center  that  they  wanted 
to  manage,  and  in  order  to  manage  it  they  are  trying  to  encompass 
another  area  equal  in  size  of  green  timber.  This  is  why  I  don't  trust 
the  Forest  Service  in  this  bill. 

I  think  if  you  are  going  to  implement  this  you  need  some  strong 
external  control.  One  of  the  things  I  see  that  is  particularly  bad  is 
that  you  have  diagnosticians  in  the  Forest  Service  who  do  not  know 
their  business.  I  say  that,  and  I  will  stand  up  and  say  it  to  any 
one  of  them.  I  will  take  them  out  in  the  woods  and  show  them. 

You  have  some  excellent  people  there.  But  you  have  a  system 
now  that  uses  inventories.  Do  you  know  what  those  inventories 
consist  of?  Mostly  seasonal  personnel  who  go  out  with  a  sheet  of 
paper  and  mark  the  things  that  happen  to  be  on  that  sheet  of 


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paper.  If  the  problem  is  not  on  the  piece  of  paper,  it  does  not  get 
marked.  If  the  person  is  incapable  of  diagnosing  it  properly,  it  is 
not  properly  diagnosed. 

So  what  you  are  looking  at,  the — in  my  opening  remarks  I  said 
the  data  base  is  faulty.  The  inventory  data  is  not  reliable.  That 
needs  to  be  changed  if  you  are  going  to  make  this  work. 

You  need  an  inventory  that  truly  represents  what  is  happening 
on  the  ground.  It  has  to  be  a  systematic  thing.  On  top  of  that,  you 
need  to  retrain  these  people  so  that  they  truly  can  diagnose.  Most 
foresters  cannot  diagnose  forest  health  problems.  That  is  a  very  im- 
portant point.  I  don't  want  to  go  on  and  on.  I  think  it  is  all  written 
down  here.  I  don't  think  there  is  a  need  to  talk  about  it  in  great 
detail. 

Thank  you  for  listening  to  me. 

[The  prepared  statement  of  Mr.  Partridge  appears  at  the  conclu- 
sion of  the  hearing.] 

Mr.  Rose.  We  are  glad  to  have  your  comments.  All  of  your  state- 
ments will  be  made  a  part  of  the  record. 

Are  there  any  questions  for  the  members  of  the  panel? 

Mr.  LaRocco. 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Thank  you,  Mr.  Chairman. 

I  have  to  say  that,  Craig,  I  am  admonished  all  the  time  by  my 
friends  in  the  environmental  community  to  use  science.  We  had 
panelists  up  here  who  without  exception  said  we  were  on  the  right 
track  in  this  bill.  I  think  it  is  important,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  you 
realize — I  don't  know  what  paragraph  it  is,  the  Wilderness  Society 
does  not  support  this  legislation,  and  I  understand  that. 

But  the  Wilderness  Society  helped  write  this  legislation.  They  sat 
there  with  Neil  Sampson  and  members  of  the  timber  industry  and 
labor  and  helped  develop  this.  To  the  extent  we  could  draw  out  rep- 
resentatives of  the  environmental  community  to  say  where  the  pit- 
falls were  and  where  we  should  fine-tune  this  legislation,  we  lis- 
tened and  tried  to  move  forward. 

But  it  is  important  to  recognize,  Mr.  Chairman,  that  the  Wilder- 
ness Society  does  not  support  this  legislation.  I  wish  that  you  had 
put  "as  written,"  "not  yet,"  "we  hope  to,"  "perhaps,"  "down  the 
road,"  "you  are  on  the  right  track,"  "we  hope  to  see  you  again 
soon."  But  you  didn't  say  that. 

Instead,  this  is  a  pretty  sharp  indictment  of  the  legislation.  But 
you  either  legislate  or  you  retreat  when  you  know  that  the  facts 
present  problems.  I  think  that  the  forests  are  unraveling.  I  think 
we  are  in  a  crisis  situation.  Whether  it  is  an  emergency,  as  Mr. 
Sampson  has  said,  or  whatever,  I  intend  to  move  along.  I  invite  ev- 
erybody to  help  me  move  along. 

Mr.  Chairman,  I  am  happy  that  we  can  hear  all  this,  because  we 
as  legislators  have  to  make  a  decision  whether  we  just  stop  dead 
in  our  tracks,  before  a  problem  that  is  plain  as  a  hand  before  our 
face,  or  whether  we  move  on.  And  we  did  have  some  productive  ses- 
sions. I  remember  when  people  were  in  my  office  together  and  they 
were  just  amazed  they  were  sitting  in  the  same  office  together,  be- 
cause the  forest  issues  have  become  so  emotional  and  polarized, 
people  couldn't  believe  they  were  in  the  same  room  talking  about 
issues  of  common  interest;  and  that  is,  productivity  of  our  forests, 
proper  management,  and  so  forth. 


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I  have  always  thought  this  legislation  was  a  vehicle  to  bring  peo- 
ple together  rather  than  tear  us  apart,  to  move  us  down  the  road, 
to  see  where  areas  of  concern  were,  where  we  could  legislate  to- 
gether, recognize  problems  and  go  forth.  It  is  not  like  I  am  thrown 
for  a  loop  over  the  testimony  of  the  Wilderness  Society.  I  think  we 
just  have  to  recognize  that  I  am  receiving  mixed  sigrials. 

There  have  been  some  hard  feelings  with  the  environmental  com- 
munity and  me  because  I  said  they  had  been  in  the  room  together, 
and  that  we  had  worked  on  this,  but  at  various  stages  I  have  been 
asked  not  to  introduce  the  legislation,  and  I  introduced  the  legisla- 
tion. Then  I  was  asked  not  to  take  it  to  markup,  we  took  it  to  the 
markup,  and  we  are  still  moving. 

Mr.  Rose.  Will  the  gentleman  yield? 

Mr.  LaRocco.  Of  course. 

Mr.  Rose.  I  think  everybody  needs  to  understand  that  Washing- 
ton doesn't  deal  very  well  with  problems  where  the  various  inter- 
ests involved  in  the  issue  are  at  each  other's  throats.  In  agri- 
culture, you  hear  a  lot  of  testimony  about  dairy  farmers  from  all 
over  the  country,  how  much  power  they  have  in  Washington.  It  is 
basically  because  they  have  ironed  out  their  regional  differences 
and  try  to  work  together. 

That  may  not  be  the  best  example  for  this  particular  problem, 
but  I  really  share  Congressman  LaRocco's  concern.  I  think  the  cre- 
ative thing  for  us  to  do  is  to  continue  to  try  to  reason  together. 
There  is  really  a  new  sort  of  dynamic  here.  George  Miller,  who 
chairs  the  former  Interior  Committee,  he  came  2  years  after  I  did. 
We  have  been  buddies  for  a  long  time.  We  don't  always  agree  on 
every  issue.  That  is  just  not  the  nature  of  Congressmen.  But  we 
try  to  work  together  to  come  up  with  compromises. 

We  have  been  able  to  do  that,  and  I  hope  that — I  am  tempted 
to  get  a  debate  going  here  about  salvage.  But  maybe  we  could  do 
that  in  an  atmosphere  in  Washington  where  we  can  take  our  shoes 
off  and  just  talk  about  these  things  to  see  if  there  is  a  place  that 
we  can  all  work  together.  But  the  Natural  Resources  Committee 
and  the  Agriculture  Committee,  are  going  to  try  to  work  our  prob- 
lems out  among  ourselves,  and  interest  groups,  whatever  their  side 
might  be,  should  not  assume  anymore  that  if  you  get  something  out 
of  the  Agriculture  Committee,  it  is  going  to  be  automatically  op- 
posed when  you  get  over  to  the  Natural  Resources  Committee,  or 
that  we  are  going  to  automatically  oppose  anything  that  comes  out 
of  their  committee. 

It  is  not  helpful  in  any  area  of  Grovemment  where  there  is  a 
problem  to  have  gridlock  or  polarization.  We  have  heard  a  lot  about 
gridlock.  It  is  more  helpful  when  we  can  try  to  reconcile  our  dif- 
ferences and  take  different  points  of  view. 

I  am  not  always  happy  with  the  Forest  Service.  I  am  not  going 
to  get  into  a  discussion  about  how  they  have  used  C-130's  for  fire- 
fighting.  We  had  a  hearing  on  that  the  other  day.  I  continue  to  be 
on  their  case. 

But  I  thank  you  all  for  coming.  Let's  continue  this  dialog  in 
Washington.  And  we  will. 

I  want  to  thank  Congressman  LaRocco  for  being  brave  enough  to 
start  the  process. 


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Michael  Jordan  is  from  my  constituency  and  he  has  often  pointed 
out  to  me  that  you  would  never  have  any  successful  basketball 
goals  unless  you  kept  trying,  until  you  got  it  right.  I  say,  let's  keep 
trying  on  this  until  we  can  get  it  right.  I  hope  we  can  do  something 
that  is  in  the  best  interests  of  all  the  people  of  America. 

Thank  you  all  very  much  for  being  here.  This  hearing  is  ad- 
journed. 

[Whereupon,  at  12  noon,  the  subcommittee  was  adjourned,  to  re- 
convene, subject  to  the  call  of  the  Chair.] 

[Material  submitted  for  inclusion  in  the  record  follows:] 


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OFFICE   OF  THE   GOVERNOR 

STATE    CAPITOL 

BOISE   83720-1000 

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CECIL  D.  ANDRUS 

GOVERNOR 


Remarks  by  Cecil  D.  Andrus 

Governor  of  Idaho 

before  the 

SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  SPECIALTY  CROPS  AND  NATURAL  RESOURCES 

Congressman  Charlie  Rose,  Chairman 

Statehouse,  Gold  Room 

Boise,  Idaho 

August  20,  1993 


For  Delivery:  9:00  AM 


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1 

Thank  you.  Congressman  Rose,  for  chairing  this  hearing,  which  is  of 
tremendous  importance  to  the  forests  and  therefore  the  economy  of  Idaho. 

I  also  appreciate  the  attendance  of  Congressman  Peterson  in  this  hearing  on 
Congressman  Larry  LaRocco's  "National  Forest  Health  Act." 

I  believe  Congressman  LaRocco's  legislation  is  both  necessary  and  urgently 
needed,  and  I  support  the  bill.    Forests  in  the  Pacific  Northwest  —  from  the  Blue 
Mountains  to  Yellowstone  Park  ~  show  evidence  of  stress  from  inordinately  high  tree 
mortality. 

Insect  infestation  continues  to  plague  our  woods.    Until  this  year's  relief,  we 
experienced  seven  years  of  below  normal  precipitation.    A  longtime  policy  of  total  fire 
suppression  without  appropriate  prescribed  burning  has  added  fuel  to  the  forest  floor. 

The  combination  of  drought,  insects  and  stressed  and  dead  timber  has  made  our 
forests  more  vulnerable  to  large,  catastrophic  wildfire.    We've  experienced  more  and 
more  of  them  in  Idaho. 

Events  on  the  scale  of  the  1989  Lowman  firestorm  and  the  complex  of  fires  in 
the  Boise  and  Payette  National  Forests,  and  the  250,000  acre  foothills  fire  east  of 
Boise  in  1992  used  to  be  the  exception,  but  today  they  have  almost  become  the  rule. 

Specific  examples  of  each  of  these  mpnaces  can  easily  be  found  in  southern 
Idaho  forests,  particularly  in  the  Boise  National  Forest.    Dead  and  dying  stands  are 
widespread  from  bark  beetle,  tussock  moth,  and  of  course  burning  of  wildfire. 

A  forest  is  more  than  just  trees,  and  skeptics  have  pointed  out  that  the 
discussion  of  forest  health  seems  to  dwell  on  tree  health.    I  would  argue  that  while 
these  arguments  need  to  be  heeded.    The  biological  functions  provided  by  trees  - 
water  and  soil  retention,  shade  and  ground  cover  —  are  critical  to  the  maintenance  of 
fish  and  wildlife  species  that  populate  our  forest,  streams  and  rivers.    If  the  trees  are 
more  vulnerable  to  widespread  and  catastrophic  mortality,  the  other  forest  values  are 
equally  at  risk. 

In  response  to  the  increasing  tree  mortality  in  southwest  Idaho,  both  federal 
and  state  foresters  have  begun  to  change  strategy. 


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In  1989,  the  state  Department  of  Lands  increased  its  annual  harvest  from  state 
lands  in  this  area  from  17  million  board  feet  annually  to  27  million  board  feet.  This 
three-year  step-up  salvaged  30-million  board  feet  of  dead,  dying  and  diseased  timber 
before  we  scaled  back  to  previous  levels. 

This  year  the  state  timber  harvest  in  southwest  Idaho  is  exclusively  salvage  of 
dead  or  stressed  timber,  while  the  green  sales  will  be  postponed  until  future  years. 

Boise  National  Forest  specialists  have  articulated  and  demonstrated  a  need  for  a 
forest  health  strategy.   The  greatly  increased  timber  harvest  levels  in  recent  years 
result  form  an  aggressive  attempt  to  capture  the  value  of  fire-killed,  bug-infested 
timber  that  must  be  harvested  within  a  year  before  losing  its  economic  value. 

The  Boise  National  Forest  also  sees  a  need  to  move  beyond  just  the  salvage 
effort  ~  toward  thinning  the  existing  stands  that  are  overstocked  compared  to  the 
historic  conditions  that  existed  in  the  forest. 

Generally,  I  agree  with  the  management  philosophy  on  the  Boise,  and  I  believe 
the  lessons  we  have  learned  can  be  applied  to  other  troubled  forests  in  our  region. 

Implementation  of  thinning  and  other  methods  to  improve  timber  stands  need  to 
include  the  necessary  monitoring  so  see  if  these  strategies  work  as  intended.    I 
recommend  that  we  also  identify  sites  where  no  management  is  being  applied  so  that 
we  can  compare  the  treated  areas  to  a  control  forest. 

I  believe  that  Congressman  LaRocco's  legislation  will  help  the  Boise  and  other 
at-risk  forests  in  the  Northwest.    This  legislation  provides  for  use  of  multi-year 
contracts  for  silvicultural  treatment  of  timber  stands,  and  gives  the  Forest  Service 
some  needed  flexibility  to  dip  into  both  the  salvage  sale  fund  and  the  Knutson- 
Vandenberg  Act  (KV)  monies  to  accomplish  forest  health  improvements. 

The  provision  to  protect  the  shared  receipts  that  go  to  counties  is  necessary 
because  we  have  county  governments  with  limited  tax  bases  due  to  federal  land 
ownership. 

The  legislation  also  mandates  the  governor  be  consulted  before  a  forest  health 
emergency  can  be  declared.   I  hope  my  testimony  today  indicates  that  the  state  of 


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Idaho  will  be  a  constructive  and  active  participant  in  the  implementation  of  a  forest 
health  strategy. 

An  important  aspect  of  this  legislation  is  the  recognition  that  strategies  for 
forest  health  improvement  will  have  to  comply  with  existing  laws  that  govern  the 
national  forests,  including  the  Endangered  Species  Act  and  the  Clean  Water  Act. 

I  hear  voices  of  concern  that  the  Boise  National  Forest  is  moving  too  fast  and 
that  other  forest  values  will  fall  to  the  wayside  in  a  too  aggressive  and  thinly  veiled 
plot  to  increase  the  annual  cut.    But  I  believe  that  the  mechanisms  exist  to  design  these 
timber  sales  and  other  forest  health  treatments  so  that  roads  do  not  harm  wildlife  or 
water  quality. 

These  values  must  be  protected  —  in  the  name  of  forest  health  and  for  many 
other  good  reasons. 

The  Forest  Health  Act  is  a  positive  first  step  in  changing  how  we  should  think 
about  our  forests.    We  don't  have  to  view  the  resources  in  the  extreme  context  of  the 
total  devastation  of  clearcuts  against  what  the  Forest  Service  calls  "even-aged 
silviculture." 

Nor  should  we  have  the  attitude  that  only  Mother  Nature  can  repair  a  sick 
forest.    Science  and  management  can  be  strategically  employed  to  make  a  difference. 

As  the  National  Forests  shift  toward  ecosystem  management,  man  will  be  part 
of  the  equation,  and  the  demand  for  the  resources  by  our  ever  increasing  numbers 
must  still  be  part  of  the  picture. 

This  time,  we  can  move  forward  with  the  knowledge  that  we  may  not  know  all 
there  is  to  know,  but  that  we  can  make  adjustments  to  our  practices  and  improve  the 
resiliency  of  the  federal  forests. 

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STATEMENl'  OF 

RICHARD  L.  EVERbTl' 

SCIENCE  TEAM  LEADER 

EA5TSIDE  FOREST  ECOSYSTEM  HEALTH  ASSESSMENT 

WENATCHEE  FORESTRY  SCIENCES  LABORATORY,  FOREST  SERVICE 

UNITED  STATES  DEPARTMENT  OF  AGRICULTURE 

Before  the 

Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops  and  Natural  Resources 

Committee  on  Agriculture 

United  States  House  of  Representatives 

Conceminq  the  Health  and  Productivity  of  Idaho's  National 
Foreats  and  the  creation  of  sustainable  forest  ftfrnsvstems 

August  20,  1993 

MR.  CHAIRMAN  AND  MEMBERS  OF  THE  SUBCOMMITTEE: 

Thank  you  for  this  opportunity  to  discuss  forest  health  issues 

in  th«  inland  empire  forests  of  Idaho,  Oregon,  and  Washington. 

Also,  we  welcome  the  opportunity  to  discuss  concepts  of 

sustainable  ecosystem  management  prasented  in  K.R.  229, 

"National  Forest  Health  Act."  I  note  that  my  discussion  today 

of  H.R.  229  focuses  only  on  the  scientific  aspects  of  the 

ecosystem  management  concept.   It  does  not  address  other  policy 

concerns  or  iesues  the  Administration  may  have  with  the  bill. 

With  me  today  I  have  Dr.  Mark  Jensen,  Regional  Soil  Scientist, 

Dr.  Wendel  Hann,  Regional  Ecologist,  USDA,  Rl,  Forest  Service, 

Missoula  MT,  and  Dr.  Patrick  Bourgeron,  Western  Regional 

Ecologist,  The  Nature  Conservancy,  Denver,  CO. 

Previous  reports  to  this  subcommittee  by  George  Leonard, 
Associate  Chief  of  the  Forest  Service,  Clair  Beasley,  Deputy 
Regional  Forester,  Intermountain  Region;  and  Chris  Riabrudt, 
Deputy  Regional  Forester,  Northern  Region;  in  May  and  June  of 


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1992  and  information  presented  today  by  other  9p«ak«rs  describe 
forest  health  problems  of  Idaho  forests.   Declining  forest 
health  is  widespread;  the  recently  completed  forest  ecosystem 
health  assessment  requested  by  Speaker  Foley  and  Senator 
Hatfield  reports  on  similar  problems  in  eastern  Oregon  and 
Washington. 

*  Forest  health  problems  arc  not  restricted  to  disease  or 
insect  daunaged  trees,  but  cover  a  broad  spectrum  of  issues 
that  include  but  are  not  limited  to  reading,  livestock 
grazing,  excessive  forest  fuels,  fisheries,  water  quality, 
air  quality,  wildlife  habitat,  and  sensitive  plant  and 
animal  species. 

*  Although,  we  do  not  discount  the  seriousness  of  the 
current  forest  health  situation,  we  suggest  that  it  is  only 
the  synptom,  and  managing  for  sustainable  forest  ecosystems 
is  the  long- term  issue  that  must  be  addressed. 

Over  a  hundred  scientists  from  across  the  Nation  participated 
in  a  recent  assesament  of  forest  health  in  eastern  Oregon  and 
Washington  (Volume  III,  Aasessaent) ,  and  the  development  of  a 
framework  for  ecosystem  management  (Volvime  II,  Ecosystem 
Principles  and  Application*)  and  restoration  of  ecosystem 
structures  and  processes  (Volume  IV,  Restoration)  to  address 
the  long-term  solution  of  creating  sustainable,  forested 
ecosystems.   Here  are  the  key  findings  of  our  study. 
Ecosystems.  Are  Dynamic: 

*  Forest  ecosystems  are  in  a  constant  state  of  flux  with 
or  without  human  intervention. 

Forest  types,  extent,  and  location  on  the  landscape  have 

changed  dramatically  in  response  to  global  climate  change, 

species  immigration  and  extinction,  eiboriginal  use  of  lire. 


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natural  disturbance  effects  and  more  recent  fire  supprsssion 
and  timber  harvest  activities. 

Forests  of  the  interior  northwest  are  subjected  to  an  array  of 
natural  disturbance  effects  such  as  fire,  insect,  disease, 
drought,  flood,  and  severe  wind  storms. 

*  Disturbances  are  required  to  initiate  stand  renewal  and 
to  maintain  the  historical  range  of  variability  in 
landscape  patterns  that  support  wildlife  habitat,  ecosystem 
processes  (hydrologic  and  carbon  cycles) ,  and  species 
viability. 

*  The  conservation  of  disturbance  effects  (the  dynamic 
nature  of  forests)  is  as  important  as  the  conservation  of 
unique  habitats  and  species  in  designing  sustainable 
ecosystems. 

Hum^  lacoectationg  and  Valuaa  Are  An  Integral  Part  of 

Prior  to  European  settlement,  Native  Americans  used  fire  to 
create  open  par]c-like  forest  stands  to  neet  their  cultural 
needs.   Early  Buropean  settlers  changed  forest  and  associated 
aquatic  ecosystems  through  their  use  of  livestock  and  their 
timber  harvest  ajctivitles. 

*  People  are  not  only  a.  component  of  sustainable  forest 
ecosystems;  their  participation  is  required  if  forests  are 
to  meet  multiple  resource  demands  and  conserve  future 
options  in  sustaincible  ecosystems. 

*  Peoples'  expectations  of  forests  in  the  interior 
northwest  have  changed  dramatically  and  often. 

Forest  management  emphasis  has  shifted  from  watershed 

protection,  to  livestock  grazing  (sheep  then  cattle) ,  to  timber 

producticn,  to  an  emphasis  on  multiple  uses,  and  now  to 

sustainable  ecosystems. 


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We  hypothesize  that,  peoples'  expectations  and  values  are 
expressed  on  the  landscape,  and  sustainable  eco9ystein3  are 
achieved  by  integrating  peoples'  expectations  with  the 
biological  and  physical  capabilities  of  ecosystems, 
^^resr  Manarrompn^  Practices  and  Foraat  Health  fVolume  III)  ; 
Past  management  practices  and  accon^ianying  forest  responses 
have  adversely  in^jacted  sustainaUsility  of  forest  ecosystems  by 
altering  disturbance  proceaaea  and  landscape  characteristics. 

*  Fire  suppression  has-  significantly  altered  the  fire 
regimes  in  thoae  forests  that  historically  burned 
frequently  but  at  low  intensity.   Currently  much  of  this 
type  burns  infrequently,  but  with  severe  intensity  and 
greater  extent . 

*  Timber  harvest  practices  significantly  altered  apecies 
composition,  forest  structure,  £uid  increased  fragmentation 
of  lemdscapea.   The  high  level  of  timber  harvest  and 
reading  contribute  to  the  diaruption  of  hydrologic  regimes, 
and  declining  fisheries  habitat. 

*  Liveatock  grazing  aignif icamtly  altered  riparian 
vegetation  and  hydrologic  processes  and  contributed  to  a 
decline  is  water  quality  and  fiah  habitat. 

Forest  Health  Asaeaament  (Volume  III) : 

*  All  eastside  forests  are  not  threatened  by  insects  or 
diseases,  nor  are  they  all  in  isinediate  risk,  of 
catastrophic  fire. 

Declining  forest  health  varies  across  the  landscape  in  extent 

and  in  intensity.   Large-scale  insect  outbreaks  and  disease 

epidemics  are  evident  in  many  watersheds  but  absent  in  others . 

*  Tree  densities,  fuel  loads,  vertical  and  horizontal  fuel 
continuities.,  and  fire  hazards  have  increased  in  many 
watersheds,  and  decreased  in  others. 

*  Change  in  insect  and  disease  hazard  severity  could  not 
be  shown  to  be  significantly  different  Chan  historic  levels 
at  the  river  basin  scale,  but  hazards  were  significantly 
changed  in  some  watersheds. 


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In  many  standa  w«  have  tree  densities  beyond  rhe  carrying 
capacity  of  the  land,  with  subsequent  increases  in  disease  and 
insect  attack  and  potential  for  catastrophic  fire. 

*  Disturbance  regimes  (fire,  insect  and  disease)  have  been 
significantly  altered  by  effective  fire  prevention  and 
suppression  on  sites  adapted  to  frequent,  low  and  moderate 
severity  fires. 

Historically,  late  aeral  forests  occupied  less  thaui  30%  of  the 

landscape,  and  we  have  significantly  reduced  their  extent 

through  timber  harvest.   Through  fire  suppression  we  have 

significantly  reduced  the  extent  of  early  serai  stages  as 

well.   The  extent  of  middle-aged  forests  has  increased. 

*  Landscape  characteristics  of  reserved  areas,  such  as 
roadless  or  wilderness,  have  also  changed  over  time. 

Vegetation  patch  size  has  increased,  with  increased  homogeneity 

and  a  buildup  in  fuels  and  fuel  continuity  across  the 

landscape.   Reserved  areas  are  subject  to  the  same  disease, 

fire,  and  insect  hazard  of  more  intensively  managed  forests, 

but  fewer  management  tools  afe  available  to  correct  the 

situation. 

*  Land  management  practices  have  simplified  fish  habitats 
and  reduced  aquatic  habitat  quality  by  reducing  the 
frequency  and  diversity  of  pools,  reducing  large  wood 
debris,  increasing  fines  in  stream  bottom  composition  and 
reducing  water  quality. 

Ecosystem  Management  Principles  (Volume  II) : 

*  Ecosystem  management  is  an  experiment,  with 
uncertainties  in  ecosystem  characteristics  and  function  and 
public  values  and  expectations. 

The  biology  and  ecology  of  ecosystems  will  never  be  completely 

understood  as  they  are  conatantly  evolving,  and  public  values 

and  expectations  of  forests  will  change  over  time.   An  adaptive 


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management  eipproach  requires  the  current  biological  snd  Bociai 
knowledge  bass  be  stated  and  a  sustainable  ecosystem  management 
strategy  be  developed  and  then  continually  tested  and  adjusted 
as  new  information  becomes  available. 

Forest  ecosystems  of  the  interior  northwest  are  dynamic, 
complex  and  heterogeneous. 

*  A  myriad  of  dieturbance  processes  create  and  maintain 
ecosystems  in  a  constant  state  of  shifting  vegetation 
patterns  across  the  landscape. 

*  These  patterns  have  historically  provided  the  habitat  to 
support  species  and  processes  that  people  value  in  forest 
ecosystems. 

*  The  use  of  the  natural  or  historical  range  of 
variability  in  ecosystem  attributes  provides  a  reference 
point  for  evaluating  sustainabillty  of  current  forest 
ecosysteins. 

This  information  is  used  to  accurately  define  the  historical 

range  of  disturbance  effects,  disturbance  type,  intensity, 

extent  and  frequency  across  multiple  hierarchical  landscape 

scales. 

Disturbances  occur  at  different  spacial  and  temporal  scales;  a 
hierarchical  landscape  evaluation  is  required  to  correlate 
disturbance  effects  to  desired  or  historical  landscape 
patterns. 

*  A  forest  health  problem  at  one  scale  may  be  within 
historical  limits  of  the  next  higher  scale.   Forest 
planning,  including  forest  health  projects,  needs  to  occur 
at  scales  above  the  proposed  activity. 

*  Disturbance  effects  that  create  and  maintain  cjosyatcms 
also  provide  insight  into  potential  resource  flowa  that  can 
be  derived  from  forests  in  the  proceea  of  maintaining 
desired  ecosystems. 


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We  hypothesize  that  public  expectations  and  values  can  be 

reflected  in  alternative  landacape  designs.   Sustainable 

ecosystems  can  be  achieved  by  integrating  peoples'  expectations 

with  the  biological  and  physical  capacities  of  ecosystems. 

*  Landscape  designs  must  reflect  a  hierarchical  landscape 
ecology  approach  where  ecosystems  are  nested  one  within  the 
other  such  that  positive  cumulative  effects  can  be  derived 
from  the  highest  to  lowAst  hierarchical  levels. 

A  "coarse- filter"  approach  to  conservation  biology  is 

recommended  which  maintains  vegetation -patterns  at  desired  or 

historical  levels  that  provide  for  desired  species  and 

ecosystem  processes.   In  other  words  m2Lnagement  should  focus  on 

maintaining  intact  ecosystems.  The  need  for  a  "fine-filter" 

approach  (i.e.  managing  for  each  species  or  process 

independently)  would  be  reduced  over  several  decades  as 

sustainable  ecosystems  are  created. 

Restoration  of  Bcosvatems  (Volume  IV) ; 

There  are  several  opportunities  to  improve  forest  health  and 

sustainaJoility  of  ecosystems  through  management  activities. 

H.R.  229,  the  "National  Forest  Health  Act, "  suggests  combining 

numerous  management  activities  such  as  salvage  logging, 

thinning,  reforestation,  fuels  management,  and  insect  and 

disease  suppression  in  a  coordinated  effort  to  improve  forest 

health  and  gustainability  in  ecosystems.   Scientists  writing  in 

the  Restoration  Volume  (IV)  made  similar  suggestions  including: 

*   Use  of  silviculture  practice?!  when  appropriate  to  remove 
excess  small  diameter  timber  re  reduce  stress  on  re^^ining 
trees,  reduce  fuel  loading,  and  restore  historic  sta^rd 
structure. 


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*  Reintroduction  of  fire  and  other  ecological-  processes  to 
forest  ecosystems  in  a  manner  that  reduces  hazard  of 
catastrophic  fires  and  insect  and  disease  outbreaks  and 
conserves  long-term  site  productivity  and  biodiversity. 

*  Mimicing  of  desirable  disturbance  effects  through 
management  activities  when  the  historical  disturbance  is  no 
longer  possible. 

*  Conservation  of  biodiversity  by  leaving  forest  structure 
legacies  for  wildlife,  using  harvest  practices  that  improve 
the  gene  pool  of  forest  species,  closure  of  unneeded  roads 
to  protect  wildlife  and  fisheries  habitat,  wildlife  and 
livestock  management  to  protect  riparian  and  aquatic 
systems,  and  control  of  noxious  weeds  to  protect  native 
plant  communities. 

*  Equal  attention  is  needed  on  the  dynamics  of  dead  and 
live  biomass  components.   In  many  systems  the  answer  to 
providing  long-term  sustainability  is  in  harvesting  some  of 
the  live  material,  which  is  under  stress,  and  conserving 
much  of  the  dead  material  for  nutrient  cycling  eind  habitat 
values.  Consequently,  salvage  operations  must  provide  for 
sufficient  dead  material  to  maintain  the  health  of  st«uida 
and  ecosystems. 


Several  ecosystem  majiagement  concepts  are  found  in  H.R.  229, 

including  holistic  forest  management  for  ecosystems  as  well  as 

commodities,  use  of  historiczQ  conditions  as  management 

reference  points,  retention  of  deadwood  as  legacies  of  future 

forests,  and  combining  multiple  management  practices  into  a 

coordinated  effort  to  improve  forest  health  and  sustainaJDilicy 

of  ecosystems.  These  concepts  are  similar  to  what  we  concluded 

in  our  ecosystem  study. 

*  Our  study  concluded  that  a  holistic  approach  to  managing 
for  all  ecosystem  attributes  as  well  as  commodities 
provides  a  means  to  conserve  future  biological  options  and 
meet  future  public  values  and  expectations. 

We  suggest  the  uwe  of  historical  conditions  only  aa  a  reference 

point  for  management,  as  forests  naturally  change  ovsr  tirr.c, 


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and  historical  conditions  may  not  meet  current  or  future  public 
needs . 

*  The  key   point  is  to  use  historical  conditions  as  a 
reference  point  for  previously  sustainable  systems  and 
describe  the  extent  of  disparity  with  current  conditions 
and  the  potential  risks  involved. 

*  Iir^roved  forest  health  depends  upon  the  development  of 
sustainable  ecosystems  and  the  designing  of  landscapes  for 
positive  cumulative  effects  from  each  management  activity. 
Positive  cumulative  effects  occur  when  the  decision  at  one 
ecosystem  level  is  based  on  the  needed  action  in  the  next 
higher  level  as  referenced  to  the  historical  or  otherwise 
desirable  range  of  variability. 

We  would  caution  that  a  long-term  ecosystem  management  approach 

is  needed  to  manage  for  improved  forest  health.   Current  forest 

health  problems  are  significant,  but  urgency  to  resolve  current 

issues  should  not  detract  from  long-term  ecosystem  management 

goals . 

*  Forest  health  projects  should  represent  the  immediate 
steps  in  long-term  planning  to  provide  for  sustainable 
ecosystems. 

*  The  planning  process  will  require  inventory  and  analysis 

of  information  on  current,  historical  and  potential 
landscape  conditions  at  several  hierarchical  landscape 
scales. 

*  Information  is  not  availcible  at  many  of  the  higher 
Ismdacape  scales  and  is  required  for  a  sound  planning  and 
decision  processes  that  feed  back  to  lower  scales  including 
individual  forest  health  projects. 

Historically,  societies'  expectations  of  interior  forests  and 

forest  resources  have  changed  often  and  dra*Tatically  over 

time. 

*  A  major  goal  of  forest  health  projects  and  ecosystem 
management  should  be  to  conserve  all  future  management 
options  such  that  we  sustain  the  biological  capacity  to 
meet  future  and  different  societal  expectations. 


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An  adapcivp  management  approach  is  required  in  ecosysr.er^ 
managen\ent  as  our  knowledge  of  ecoayatems  and  public 
expectations  will  always  be  imperfect. 

*  There  are  many  management  uncertainties  associated  with 
societal  expectations  and  ecoayatem  potentials,  but  when 
learning  is  part  of  management,  then  rapid  evaluation  and 
redirection  of  management  activities  is  possible. 

*  For  this  reason  of  uncertainty,  we  are  compelled  to 
suggest  that  landscape  management  designs  must  be  flexible 
and  conservative. 

♦  When  ecosystems  are  managed  conservatively,  that  is, 
below  ma-ximum  resource  output  levels,  they  are  buffered 
against  surprise  events  and  error  in  management  decisions. 

Our  findings  support  th«  need  for  investment  in  ecosystem 

management  and  short  term  for««t  health  projects  that  support 

the  long-term  objectives. 

♦  Comprehensive  inventory  and  analysis  is  required  to 
•valuate  where  the  two  activities  are  in  unison. 

That  concludes  our  statement.   We  welcome  any  questions  which 

you  may  have. 


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STATEMENT  OF 

ROBERT  STEELE 

PROJECT  LEADER,  CONIFER  ECOLOGY 

INTERMOUNTAIN  RESEARCH  STATION,  FOREST  SERVICE 

UNITED  STATES  DEPARTMENT  OF  AGRICULTURE 

AND 

STEPHEN  F.  ARNO 

RESEARCH  FORESTER,  PRESCRIBED  FIRE  PROJECT 

INTERMOUNTAIN  RESEARCH  STATION,  FOREST  SERVICE 

Before  the 

Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops  and  Natural  Resources 

Committee  on  Agriculture 

United  States  House  of  Representatives 

Concerning  the  Health  of  Natural  Forests  in  Idaho  and  the 
ApplicabilitY  of  Management  Strategies  Authorized  in  H.R.229 

August  20,  1993 

MR.  CHAIRMAN  AND  MEMBERS  OF  THE  SUBCOMMITTEE: 

Thank  you  for  the  opportunity  to  discuss  the  health  of  National 

Forests  in  Idaho. 


OVERVIBW 

In  Idaho  and  in  much  of  the  western  United  States  east  of  the 
Cascade  Mountains,  the  health  of  national  forests  is  closely 
related  to  changes  in  the  role  of  fire.   In  this  vast  semi -arid 
region,  prior  to  1900  fires  burned  unchecked  through  siimmer  and 
early  autumn.   Interaoxintain  Research  Station  scientists  have 
studied  the  historic  frequency  of  these  fires  by  dating  the 
annual  growth  rings  associated  with  fire  wounds  on  ancient 
trees  and  charcoal  layers  deposited  in  ponds.   In  the  extensive 
dry  forests  where  ponderosa  pine  once  was  the  predominant 
species,  these  fire  wounds  recorded  fire  intervals  which 
averaged  5  to  30  years.   This  high  frequency  of  burning 
maintained  low  levels  of  fuel  and  the  fires  burned  mainly  along 


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the  ground  rather  than  in  the  tree  crowns.   This  kind  of  fire 
generally  killed  only  the  small  trees  and  fire  susceptible 
species.   It  perpetuated  open  parklike  stands  of  fire  resistant 
ponderosa  pine  and  western  larch.   These  tree  species  are  also 
resistant  to  many  of  our  insect  and  disease  problems. 

At  higher  elevations  where  there  is  more  moisture,  the  historic 
fire  pattern  was  more  complex.   Fires  occurred  at  longer 
intervals,  generally  between  40  and  150  years,  and  left  a 
mosaic  of  fire-killed  trees  and  nonlethal  underbums. 
Fire-adapted  tree  species  were  favored.   These  fire-mosaic 
forests  composed  of  serai  species  tend  to  be  more  resistant  to 
insect  and  disease  epidemics  than  are  dense  late  serai  and 
cliinax  forests  which  now  dominate  many  of  these  sites  in  the 
absence  of  fire. 

Since  the  early  1900' a,  fire  suppression  has  become  effective 
at  controlling  low  and  moderate  intensity  fires.   This  has  led 
to  development  of  dense  atzmds  of  drought -stressed  trees  which 
are  highly  vulnerable  to  insect  and  disease  epidemics. 
Ironically  these  forests  are  now  more  susceptible  to  severe 
wildfires. 

THB  FORgST  HEALTH  PROBLEK 

The  Forest  Service  is  now  taking  a  broader  view  of  the  effects 
of  fire,  insects,  and  disease  as  we  are  trying  to  initiate 
management  of  forests  as  ecosystems .   Some  activity  by  insects 


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and  disease  is  a  normal  part  of  the  ecological  process.   But, 
when  the  insect  and  disease  activity  levels  exceed  the  normal 
range  of  variation  for  a  particular  ecosystem,  then  a  forest 
health  problem  exists.   The  historic  range  of  fire  intervals 
has  now  been  greatly  exceeded  in  the  drier  forests  where 
ponderosa  pine  once  dominated.   This  ecosystem  makes  up  a  major 
portion  of  the  Boise  National  Forest  and  is  extensive  elsewhere 
in  Idaho  and  neighboring  states.  The  Boise  National  Forest  has 
recently  experienced  record  levels  of  several  tree -killing 
insects  such  as  Douglas -fir  beetle,  western  pine  beetle,  fir 
engraver  beetle,  and  Douglas -fir  tussock  moth. 

PlXnra  THE  PHOBLBC 

Solving  the  forest  health  problem  will  require  an  ecosystem 
management  approach.  Management  practices  must  match  the 
ecological  capabilities  of  each  site  in  order  to  create  and 
maintain  healthy  forests.  This  is  the  focua  of  ecosystem 
management.  The  understamding  of  ecological  capabilities  is 
derived  from  the  scientific  study  of  the  processes  that 
maintained  a  given  forest  type  during  past  centuries .   Forest 
commodity  production  and  fire  management  activities  need  to 
accommodate  these  natural  processes. 

The  harvesting  of  dead  and  living  trees  is  among  the  treatments 
that,  if  applied  carefully,  could  help  meet  goals  of  ecosystem 
management,  but  timber  harvesting  alone  will  not  address  the 
fundamental  problems  of  forest  health.   A  more  holistic 


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addressing  of  forest  health  will  require  the  development  of 
ecosystem  management  as  a  multidisciplinary  approach  guided  by 
the  best  science  and  silvicultural  knowledge  and  the  freedom  to 
adapt  this  )cnowledge  to  their  local  situations. 

Fortunately,  because  most  of  Idaho's  forest  health  problems  are 
related  to  the  human  interruption  of  natural  fire  cycles,  the 
problem  can  be  fixed.   The  basic  approach  is  to  compensate  the 
ecosystem  for  the  lack  of  recurring  wildfire.   This  can  be 
achieved  in  several  ways: 

1.  Identify  high-hazard  landscapes  rather  than  individual 
stands  as  the  first  priority  areas  for  remedial  forest 
health  trsatmsnt. 

2.  Create  a  mosaic  of  stand  conditions  at  the  landscape 
level  that  represents  the  normal  range  of  variation  for 
the  ecosystems  involved. 

3.  Favor  the  early  serai  tree  species  in  silvicultural 
activities  in  order  to  develop  insect  and  disease 
resistant  stands^  while  ensuring  desired  ecosystem 
condition. 

4.  Thin  stzmds  on  a  commercial  and  precommercial  basis  so 
as  to  restore  stocking  densities  and  species  composition 
to  prei-fire  control  conditions  that  were  more  resistant 
to  insect  attacks. 

5 .  Use  prescribed  fire  to  help  maintain  ecosystems  that 
historically  experienced  frequent  low  intensity  fires, 


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thereby  reducing  fuels  and  preventing  stand-destroying 
wildfire. 

This  completes  our  testimony,   we  will  be  happy  to  address  any 
questions  that  you  may  have. 


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NATIONAL  FOREST  HEALTH  ACT 

HERBERT  S.  MALANY 
CHIEF  REGION  FORESTER 
BOISE  CASCADE  CORPORATION 
SOLTTHERN  IDAHO  TIMBER  REGION 

THANK  YOU  FOR  THE  OPPORTUNITY  TO  EXPRESS  MY  THOUGHTS  ON 
CURRENT  FOREST  HEALTH  PROBLEMS  ON  THE  NATIONAL  FORESTS 
IN  SOUTHWESTERN  IDAHO. 

I  HAVE  BEEN  A  PRACTICING  LAND  MANAGER  FOR  THE  BOISE 
CASCADE  CORPORATION  FOR  OVER  30  YEARS  IN  SOUTHWESTERN 
IDAHO. 

I  AM  A  MEMBER  OF  THE  IDAHO  FORESTS  PRACTICES  BOARD  AND 
THE  COMMITTEE  DEVELOPING  METHODOLOGY  FOR  DETERMINING 
CUMULATIVE  WATERSHED  EFFECTS  IN  IDAHO. 

OUR  TIMBERLANDS  EMPLOYEES  AND  HARVEST  CONTRACTORS 
HAVE  DEVELOPED  SILVICULTURE  PRESCRIPTIONS  AND  HARVEST 
PRACTICES  THAT  PROVIDE  THE  INCOME  NECESSARY  FROM  THE 
SALE  OF  OUR  FOREST  PRODUCTS  TO  PAY  ALL  OPERATING 
EXPENSES  AND  PROVIDE  A  VERY  NICE  RETURN  TO  THE  OWNERS  OF 
OUR  CORPORATION.  IN  ADDITION  TO  PAYING  ALL  OUR 
OVERHEAD,  PLANTING,  SILVICULTURE,  ROAD  CONSTRUCTION, 
ROAD  MAINTENANCE  AND  HARVESTING  EXPENSES  OUR  FORESTS 
ARE  MANAGED  TO  PROVIDE  A  SUSTAINED  YIELD  AND  TO 
PROVIDE,  PROTECT  AND  IMPROVE  THE  AMENITY  VALUES  THE 
FOREST  PROVIDES. 

WE  HAVE  DEVELOPED  UNEVEN  AGED  OR  SELECTIVE  HARVEST 
PRESCRIPTIONS.  20%  TO  30%  OF  THE  TREES  AND  40%  TO  50% 
OF  THE  VOLUME  IS  REMOVED  EACH  ENTRY.  THIS  SYSTEM 
REQUIRES  ENTRIES  EVERY  12  TO  20  YEARS.  THE  FREQUENT 
ENTRIES: 

PERMIT  US  TO   REGULATE  THE   SPECIES  COMPOSITION, 
DIAMETER  DISTRIBUTION  AND  DENSITY  IN  OUR  STANDS. 

PREVENT  OUR  FOREST  FROM  BECOMING  STOCKED  WITH  OLD  - 
DECADENT  TREES  OR  OVERSTOCKED  WITH  YOUNGER  TREES. 

PREVENT  THE  INSECT  AND  MORTALITY  PROBLEMS  THAT  ARE 
PLAGUING  ON  THE  NATIONAL  FORESTS. 


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ALLOWS  US  TO  IMPLIMENT  NEW  IDEAS,  PROGRAMS  OR 
PROCEDURES  THAT  WILL  IMPROVE  OUR  FORESTS  HEALTH, 
PRODUCTIVITY  AND  AMENITY  VALUES 

WHEN  OUR  HARVEST  TREATMENTS  ARE  COMPLETED,  THE 
TREATED  STAND  CONTINUES  LOOKS  LIKE  A  FOREST,  IE.,  THE 
TREATED  STANDS  RETAIN  THE  VISUAL  LOOK  OF  FORESTLAND  THE 
PUBLIC  IS  DEMANDING,  WATER  QUALITY  IS  MAINTAINED  OR 
IMPROVED  AND  THE  RIPARIAN  AREAS  ARE  PROTECTED.  BY 
PREVENTING  THE  FOREST  FROM  BECOMING  VERY  DENSE,  MORE 
SUN  LIGHT  IS  ABLE  TO  REACH  THE  FOREST  FLOOR.  AS  A  RESULT, 
THE  AMOUNT  OF  SHRUBS  FOR  FORAGE  AND  HIDING  COVER  FOR 
BIG  GAME  ANIMALS  IS  INCREASING.  HABITAT  FOR  OUR  FEATHERS 
FRIENDS  IS  RETAINED  BY  LEAVING  SNAGS  AND  LOW  QUALITY 
MERCHANTABLE  TREES.  OUR  TREATMENTS  PROVIDES  ALL  THE 
ABOVE  AND  OUR  FORESTS  ARE  HEALTHY  AND  RESILIENT. 

IN  RECOGNITION  OF  THE  EXCELLENT  TIMBERLAND  PROGRAM  WE 
HAVE  DEVELOPED.  OUR  DEPARTMENT  WON  BOISE  CASCADE 
CORPORATIONS  1992  ENVIRONMENTAL  AWARD.  ONLY  ONE 
AWARD  IS  GIVEN  EACH  YEAR. 

I  WILL  DISCUSS  THE  FOLLOWING: 

1.  CURRENT  FOREST  HEALTH  CONDITIONS  IN  SOUTHWESTERN 
IDAHO 

2.  HOW  WE  GOT  HERE 

3.  THE  CHANGES  NECESSARY  IN  SILVICULTURE 
PRESCRIPTIONS,  HARVEST  TECHNICS  AND  PROFESSIONAL 
ATTITUDES  THE  ACCOMPLISH  THE  PROGRAM 

4.  HOW  LONG  THE  PROGRAM  WILL  HAVE  TO  LAST 

5.  WHAT  THE  PAYBACK  FOR  THE  EFFORT  WILL  BE 

1.  FOREST  HEALTH  CONDITIONS  ON  NATIONAL  FOREST  U\NDS  IN 
SOUTHWESTERN  IDAHO 

AS  YOU  HAVE  BEEN  TOLD  MANY  TIMES,  THE  PINE  -  MIXED 
CONIFER  FORESTS  ON  THE  DRY  EDGE  OF  THE  FOREST 
ECOSYSTEMS  RANGING  FROM  NORTHEASTERN  WASHINGTON. 
THROUGH  EASTERN  OREGON,  INTO  SOUTHERN  IDAHO  BACK  UP 


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TO  SALMON  AND  MISSOULA,  MT.  HAVE  BECOME  OVERSTOCKED 
DUE  TO  THE  EXCLUSION  OF  FIRE  AND  LACK  OF  LAND 
MANAGEMENT  ACTIVITIES  FOR  100  YEARS.  TODAY,  THESE 
FORESTS  ARE  STOCKED  WITH  PHYSIOLOGICALLY  OLD  TREES 
AND  THICKETS  OF  THE  REGENERATION,  POLE  AND  SMALL 
SAWTIMBER  SIZED  TREES  THAT  ESTABLISHED  AFTER  1890. 

NATURE  EXCESSIVELY  OCCUPIES  ALL  GROWING  OR  CARRYING 
CAPAClPi'  OF  ALL  ECOSYSTEMS  WITH  SOME  TYPE  OF  PLANT  OR 
ANIMAL.  THE  APPROACHING  OF  THE  IQIAL  UTILIZATION  OF 
AVAILABLE  MOISTURE  AND  NUTRIENTS  HAS  BEEN  GOING  FOR 
THE  LAST  100  YEARS.  THE  LACK  OF  MOISTURE  FOR  THE  LAST 
SEVEN  YEARS  PUSHED  THE  FORESTS  OVER  THE  CARRYING 
CAPACITY  OF  THE  SITE  AND  NOW  THE  PIPER  IS  BEING  PAID 
WITH  DEVASTATING  MORTALITY  AND  CATASTROPHIC  FIRES. 

WE  KNOW  THE  CARRYING  CAPACITY  ON  SOME  STANDS  IN 
BOISE  CASCADES  FORESTS  WERE  EXCEEDED  PRIOR  TO  THE 
CURRENT  DROUGHT  BY  THE  INCREASE  IN  INSECT  ACTIVITY 
AND  MORTALITY.  THE  CURRENT  HIGH  LEVEL  OF  MORTALITY  ON 
NATIONAL  FOREST  LANDS  IS  NATURES  WAY  OF  REBALANCING 
THE  FOREST  TO  A  LOWER  MOISTURE  LEVEL. 

TODAY,  THE  RESULT  OF  NOT  ENOUGH  WATER  TO  GROW  ALL  THE 
EXISTING  TREES  IS: 

IN  PURE  PONDEROSA  AND  DOUGLAS  FIR  STANDS  -  OLD 
TREES  HAVE  BEEN  KILLED  BY  BARK  BEETLES,  YOUNG  TREES 
HAVE  BEEN  KILLED  BY  BARK  BEETLES. 

IN  MIXED  DOUGLAS  FIR  -  GRAND  FIR  STANDS  -  WESTERN 
SPRUCE  BUD  WORM  HAS  BEEN  EATING  THE  NEEDLES  FOR 
YEARS.  RESULTING  IN  DEAD  REGENERATION,  POLES,  TREE 
TOPS  AND  FINALLY  DEAD  TREES. 


2.  HOW  WE  GOT  HERE 

FROM  CARBON  RINGS  ON  300  AND  400  YEAR  OLD  TREES  IN 
SOUTHWESTERN  IDAHO,  WE  KNOW  THE  FIRE  FREQUENCY  IN 
SOUTHWESTERN  IDAHO  WAS  EVERY  10  TO  15  YEARS  UNTIL 
1890  AND  THEN  THE  OCCURRENCES  STOPPED.  FROM 
COMMENTS  INCLUDED  WITH  TIMBER  CRUISES  OR  VOLUME 
ESTIMATES  MADE  ON  THE  CORPORATIONS  LANDS  AROUND 


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1916  WE  KNOW  THE  FOREST  LANDS  FROM  NORTH  OF  BOISE  TO 
MCCALL,  IDAHO  CONTAINED  20  TO  40  TEN  INCH  OR  LARGER 
DIAMETER  TREES  PER  ACRE.  THERE  WERE  FEW  DOWNED  LOGS 
WOODY  MATERIAL  AND  LITE  BRUSH  ON  THE  FOREST  FLOOR, 
THE  FIRE  HAZARD  WAS  LOW  AND  THE  LANDS  WOULD  MAKE 
EXCELLENT  GRAZING  AFTER  HARVEST.  THE  LANDS  WERE 
ESSENTIALLY  A  PINE  GRASS  LANDS  OR  SAVANNAH. 

TODAY,  INSTEAD  OF  20  TO  40  TREES/ACRE,  WE  HAVE 
UPWARDS  TO  800  YOUNGER  TREES/ACRE  IN  ADDITION  TO  THE 
REMAINING  OLD  TIMERS  ON  NATIONAL  FOREST  U\NDS. 

THE  TREES  THAT  WERE  LARGE  IN  1890  ARE  NOW  100  YEARS 
OLDER  AND  PHYSIOLOGICALY  OLD.  THE  SUCCESSFUL  FIRE 
PREVENTION  PROGRAM  HAS  ALLOWED  NATURAL 
REGENERATION  TO  FLOURISH  AND  PERMITTED  THE  FORESTS 
TO  INCREASE  STOCKING  LEVELS  UNTIL  THE  CARRYING 
CAPACITY  OF  THE  ECOSYSTEMS  HAS  BEEN  EXCEEDED, 

TODAY,  THE  RESULT  OF  100  YEARS  OF  EXCLUDING  NATURES 
MANAGEMENT  PRESCRIPTION  -  FIRE  -  PLUS  THE  ABSENCE  OF 
STAND  MANAGEMENT  ACTIVITY  ON  NATIONAL  FOREST  LAND 
BY  MAN  IS  A  SICK  AND  DYING  FOREST. 

3.  THE  CHANGES  NECESSARY  IN  SILVICULTURE  PRESCRIPTIONS, 
HARVEST  TECHNICS  AND  PROFESSIONAL  ATTITUDES  THE 
ACCOMPUSH  THE  PROGRAM 

THE  BOISE  NATIONAL  FOREST  HAS  APPROXIMATELY  600,000 
ACRES  OF  SUITED  TIMBER  BASE.  10  TO  12,000  ACRES  PER 
YEAR  RECEIVE  A  SILVICULTURE  TREATMENT.  AT  THE 
CURRENT  RATE  IT  WILL  TAKE  55  YEARS  TO  COVER  THE 
FOREST,  OR  ONLY  10%  SUITED  LAND  BASE  WILL  BE  TREATED 
IN  THE  PROPOSED  5  YEAR  EMERGENCY  PERIOD  UNDER  THE 
CURRENT  FOREST  PLAN. 

THE  ANSWER  TO  RETURNING  OUR  NATIONAL  FORESTS  TO  A 
RESILIENT  AND  HEALTHY  CONDITION  IS  NOT  DECLARING  A  5 
YEAR  FOREST  HEALTH  INITIATIVE  THAT  IS  ONLY  GOING  TO 
HARVEST  DYING  AND  DEAD  TREES.  THE  PROGRAM  MUST  BE 
ONE  THAT  WILL  NEVER  ENDS  AND  MUST  ENCOMPASSES  ALL 
FOREST  VALUES. 

THE  FOREST  IS  A  LIVING  ENTITY,  JUST  AS  YOU  ARE  AND  AN 
ECOSYSTEM  IS  GOING  THROUGH  THE  CHANGES,  JUST  AS  YOU 


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DO. 

AT  THIS  TIME  IN  OUR  HISTORY,  THE  ONLY  WAY  TO  RETURN  OUR 
NATIONAL  FORESTS  ECOSYSTEMS  TO  HEALTH  AND 
RESILIENCY,  PROVIDE  LONG  TERN  HIGH  VALUE  EMPLOYMENT 
AND  FOREST  COMMUNITY  PRESERVATION,  AND  PROVIDE  THE 
PRODUCTS  AND  AMENITIES  VALUES  THE  PUBLIC  ENJOYS  FROM 
THE  FOREST  IS  THROUGH  MANAGEMENT  OF  THE  NATIONAL 
FORESTS  BY  HUMANS.  NOT  NATURE. 

THE  PUBLIC,  IN  MY  OPINION,  DOES  NOT  WANT  THE  FOREST  TO 
CONTINUE  ON  THE  PRESENT  COARSE  OF  WASTING  VALUABLE 
COMMODITIES  AND  CATASTROPHIC  BURNING  WITH  NO  EFFORT 
TO  PROVIDE  THE  MATERIAL  AND  AMENITY  VALUES  OUR 
SOCIETY  NEED  AND  DEMANDS. 

THE  PUBLIC,  IN  MY  OPINION,  IS  NOT  GOING  TO  PERMIT  CLEAR 
CUTTING  AS  THE  PRIMARY  HARVEST  PRESCRIPTION  OR  ALLOW 
RIPARIAN  AREAS,  STREAMS  OR  WATER  QUALITY  TO 
DEGRADED. 

THE  PUBLIC,  IN  MY  OPINION,  DOES  WANT  THE  PRODUCTS  THE 
NATIONAL  FOREST  PRODUCES,  THEY  WANT  THE  NATIONAL 
FOREST  TO  CONTINUE  TO  LOOK  LIKE  A  FOREST  WHEN 
TREATMENTS  ARE  COMPLETE,  AND  THEY  THE  EMPLOYMENT 
THE  NATIONAL  FORESTS  PROVIDE. 

IN  ADDITION  TO  MANAGING  OUR  FOREST  LANDS,  I  HAVE 
BECOME  A  PROFESSIONAL  TOUR  GUIDE  DEMONSTRATING  THE 
RESULTS  OF  OUR  LAND  MANAGEMENT  PROGRAM  AND 
DISCUSSING  OUR  PHILOSOPHIES  WITH  MANY  PEOPLE.  I 
ALWAYS  RECALL  ONE  LADY  WHO  IS  ACTIVE  IN  ONE  THE  LOCAL 
PRESERVATION  CLUBS.  AFTER  THREE  OR  FOUR  STOPS  SHE 
CAME  UP  TO  ME  AND  SAID,  "I  AN  GOING  TO  HAVE  TO  RETHINK 
MY  WHOLE  THOUGHT  PROCESS  ON  TIMBER  HARVESTS,  WE  HAD 
BEEN  TOLD  THE  ONLY  WAY  FORESTS  COULD  BE  MANAGED  WAS 
BY  CLEARCUT  AND  I  DON'T  LIKE  THEM,  I  HAVE  NO  PROBLEM 
WITH  THIS  TYPE  OF  TIMBERLAND  MANAGEMENT'. 

THERE  ARE  FEW  SECRETS  OR  NEW  THINGS  TO  LEARN  BEFORE 
THE  FOREST  SERVICE  CAN  BEGIN  THE  LONG  TREK  BACK  TO  A 
HEALTHY  FOREST.  THE  BASIC  RESEARCH  HAS  BEEN  DONE  ON 
HOW  TO  MANAGE  THE  FOREST,  PROTECT  WATER  QUALITY, 
INCREASE  FORAGE  AND  COVER  FOR  WILDLIFE. 


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PRESCRIPTIONS  WILL  REQUIRE  FREQUENT  ENTRIES  THAT 
INITIALLY  REMOVE  THE  DEAD.  DYING.  DISEASED  AND  HIGH 
RISK  TREE  AND  MUST  COMPLIMENT,  ENHANCE  AND  PROTECT 
THE  OTHER  IMPORTANT  VALUES  OF  FOREST  LANDS. 

THE  NECESSARY  CHANGES  ARE: 

A.  SPECIAL  INTEREST  GROUPS  -  THE  NATIONAL  FOREST 
LAND  MANAGERS  ARE  GOING  TO  HAVE  TO  DEMONSTRATE 
THEY  CAN  CHANGE  FROM  THEIR  PAST  PRACTICES  OF 
TREATING  ONE  ACRE  TO  THE  MAXIMUM,  IE.,  CLEARCUTTING, 
AND  THEN  ALLOWING  THE  REST  OF  THE  FOREST  TO  DIE. 
THAT  THE  PRACTICE  THE  NEW  FORESTRY  REALLY  MEANS 
USING  A  LIGHT  TOUCH  ON  LAND  AND  IT  DEVELOPS  A 
HEALTHY  FOREST,  AND  PROTECTS  OR  IMPROVES  THE 
OTHER  IMPORTANT  VALUES  AND  USES  THE  FOREST 
PROVIDES. 

WHEN  IT  IS  DEMONSTRATED  TO  THE  INTEREST  GROUPS 
THEY  HAVE  ACCOMPLISHED  THE  ABOVE,  I  BELIEVE  THE 
PUBLIC  WILL  SUPPORT  THEM  TO  THE  DEGREE  THAT 
DISRUPTIVE  AND  COSTLY  REDOS,  APPEALS,  LAWSUITS  OF 
TODAY  WILL  BE  A  THING  OF  THE  PAST. 

B.  PROFESSIONAL  ATTITUDES  -  THE  PERSONAL  AGENDAS, 
INTRIGUES,  TURF  WARS,  ETC,  OF  THE  DIFFERENT 
PROFESSIONS  ARE  GOING  TO  HAVE  TO  END  AND  "DOING 
THE  RIGHT  THING"  TO  ACHIEVE  FOREST  HEALTH  IS  MADE 
EVERYONES  MISSION  WILL  HAVE  TO  PREVAIL. 

C.  SILVICULTURE  TREATMENTS  -  THE  FOREST  LAND 
MANAGER,  WITH  ASSISTANCE  FROM  OTHER  LAND 
MANAGEMENT  SPECIALISTS,  MUST  PRESCRIBE 
TREATMENTS  THAT  BEGIN  THE  LONG  TERM  SOLUTION  OF 
THE  FOREST  HEALTH  PROBLEM. 

D.  NEW  LOGGING  METHODS  -  SINCE  1990,  NEW  AND 
EXCITING  METHODS  ARE  BEING  DEVELOPED  THAT  ARE 
CHANGING  THE  TRADITIONAL  WAY  OF  LOGGING  TRACTOR 
GROUP.  TREES  ARE  BEING  LINE  SKIDDED  UPHILL  AWAY 
FROM  WET  AREAS  INSTEAD  OF  DOWN  TOWARD  THE 
RIPARIAN  AREAS  WITH  TRACTORS  AS  HAS  BEEN 
TRADmONALY  DONE. 

THE  INDUSTRY  HAS  LEARNED  THEY  HAVE  TO  "DO  THE  RIGHT 


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THING"  IN  ORDER  TO  BE  ALLOWED  TO  PURCHASE  NATIONAL 
FOREST  TIMBER. 

THE  INITIAL  TREATMENT  SHOULD  ONLY  HARVEST  DEAD, 
DISEASED,  HIGH  RISK  TIMBER  AND  THIN  ONLY  AREAS  THAT 
WILL  EXPERIENCE  MORTALITY  BEFORE  THE  NEXT  ENTRY. 

THE  AREAS  TREATED  MUST  BE  DESIGNED  TAKING  ADVANTAGE 
OF  THE  LOGGING  SYSTEMS  THAT  HAVE  BEEN  DEVELOPED  IN 
THE  LAST  TWO  OR  THREE  YEARS.  THESE  SYSTEMS  TAKE  LOGS 
UP  HILL  TO  THE  RIDGES  AND  AWAY  FROM  THE  STREAMS  AND 
RIPARIAN  AREAS  INSTEAD  OF  THE  TRADITIONALLY  METHOD 
OF  GOING  TO  THE  STREAM. 

4.  HOW  LONG  THE  PROGRAM  WILL  HAVE  TO  UVST 

TO  BE  SUCCESSFUL  AND  TO  ACHIEVE  AND  MAINTAIN  A 
HEALTHY  AND  RESILIENT  FOREST,  THE  NATIONAL  FOREST  IS 
EMBARKING  ON  A  LAND  MANAGEMENT  PROGRAM  THAT  IS 
GOING  TO  BE  EXCfTING,  CHALLENGING.  AND  NEVER  ENDING. 

BECAUSE  FORESTS  ARE  DYNAMIC  AND  ALIVE,  JUST  LIKE 
PEOPLE,  THEY  ARE  CONSTANTLY  BEGINNING.  MATURING, 
GROWING  OLD  AND  DYING.  EACH  AGE  HAS  DIFFERENT 
REQUIREMENT. 

AND  BECAUSE  EACH  OF  THE  THESE  STAGES  IS  ALWAYS  GOING 
ON,  WE  CANNOT  GO  OUT  FOR  FIVE  YEARS,  WORK  LIKE  HELL, 
AND  SAY  THE  JOB  IS  DONE.  TO  BE  SUCCESSFUL,  A  CONSTANT 
PROGRAM  MUST  BE  DEVELOPED  THAT  TREATS  ENOUGH  ACRES 
OF  THE  FOREST  EACH  YEAR  TO  INSURE  THE  TREES  ARE  NOT 
ALLOWED  TO  BECOME  OVERSTOCKED  AND  THE  CURRENT 
PROBLEMS  ARISE  BEFORE  THE  NEXT  TREATMENT  IS  PLANNED. 

5.  WHAT  THE  PAYBACK  FOR  THE  EFFORT  Wll  i  RF 

A  HEALTHY,  RESILIENT  NATIONAL  FOREST  SYSTEM  WHERE  THE 
THE  MANAGED  FOREST  WILL  LOOK  LIKE  A  FOREST  -  NOT  A 
CORN  FIELD  -  AMENITY  VALUES  PROTECTED  OR  ENHANCED 
AND  EMPLOYMENT  IN  LOCAL  RURAL  COMMUNITIES  RETAINED 
PLUS  THE  GOODS  AND  SERVICES  THE  FOREST  PRODUCES  AND 
PROVIDES  WE  ALL  WANT  CONTINUE  TO  BE  PRODUCED. 


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IDAHO  DEPARTMEKT  OF  rISH  AND  GAME  TESTIMONY 

On  H.R.  229,  the  "National  Forest  Health  Act" 

Before  Che  House  Agriculture  Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops  and 

Natural  Resources 
August  20,  1993  in  Boise,  Idaho 

Thank  you  Congressmen  Rose,  Peterson,  and  LaRocco  for  conducting 
this  field  hearing  and  allowing  the  Idaho  Department  of  Fish  and  Game 
to  assess  the  overall  health  of  National  Forests  in  Idaho  and  the 
applicability  of  management  strategies  authorized  in  H.R.  229,  the 
"National  Forest  Health  Act"  to  National  Forests  in  Idaho.   I  am  Cal 
Groen,  Chief  of  the  Natural  Resources  Policy  Bureau  for  the 
Department . 

The  Idaho  Department  of  Fish  and  Game  is  required  by  state  law 
(Idaho  Code  Section  36-103)  to  ensure  the  State  of  Idaho's  fish  and 
wildlife  resources  are  "preserved,  perpetuated  and  managed...." 
Although  the  Department  does  not  have  regulatory  authority  over  many 
habitat  activities,  it  does  serve  a  significant  role  in  reviewing  and 
commenting  on  action  that  may  affect  the  fish  and  wildlife  resources 
of  the  state.   The  Department  reviews,  evaluates  and  responds  to  600 
to  900  proposals  annually  that  could  impact  fish  and  wildlife 
resources.   The  opportunity  to  review  H.R.  229  is  greatly  appreciated, 
and  is  especially  significant  because  70  percent  of  Idaho  is  in  public 
ownership. 

The  recent  seven-year  drought  in  Idaho  has  exerted  tremendous 
stress  on  all  biological  systems.   These  systems  include  trees,  fish, 
wildlife,  and  water  quality,  which  are  all  dependent  on  the 
maintenance  of  critical  levels  of  soil  moisture  and  stream  flow.   It 
appears  the  prolonged  drought  is  over  now.   We  must  be  cautious  and 
not  base  our  entire  forest  health  management  strategy  on  a  dramatic 
event  such  as  the  foothills  fire  and  the  drought.   The  drought, 
although  it  seemed  to  have  lasted  a  long  time  in  human  perspectives, 
was  merely  a  "blip"  in  time  from  the  standpoint  of  ecosystems.   If  we 
can  learn  from  it ,  we  are  making  progress . 

Looking  back  in  our  rear  view  mirror,  it  is  generally  agreed  that 
past  management  practices  on  the  natural  forests  have  contributed  to 
our  forest  health  emergency.   Fire  suppression  and  the  high  grading  of 
commercially  valuable  timber  species  have  tended  to  accelerate 
succession  toward  climax.   Climax  forests  are  generally  more 
vulnerable  to  fire,  insects,  and  disease.   No  one  considered  the  long- 
term  consequences  of  this  management  direction.   As  a  result,  some 
areas,  such  as  southern  Idaho  forests,  are  more  susceptible  to 
defoliator  infestations  and  high- intensity  wildfires. 

To  once  again  think  that  we  have  a  simple  answer  for  a  complex 
ecosystem  and  move  full  scale  into  salvage  and  thinning  may  be 
i-epeating  our  past  mistakes.  Forest  succession  often  spans  several 
generations  of  man  which  makes  it  difficult  for  people  to  visualize 
forest  dynamics.  Ecosystem  management  and  forest  restoration  are  a 
new  field  that  we  must  cautiously  move  into.   We  must  i-emember  that  a 


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sincere  deaire  to  implemenC  "good  forest  mar.agement "  brought  ug  to  our 
present  forest  health  concerns.   We  cannot  achieve  our  desired  future 
condition  overnight.   We  need  to  move  slowly  and  humbly  into  the 
future  of  our  public  lands. 

Congressman  LaRocco's  legislation,  the  "National  Torest  Health 
Act, "  lays  out  a  process  and  safeguards  this  cautious  approach.   This 
legislation  recognizes  multi- resource  values  such  as  retaining  anaga, 
encourages  a  wide  range  of  future  uses,  and  authorizes  coordinated 
forest  health  improvement  projects  that  carry  out  both  product-  and 
non-product-related  management  actions.   In  the  past,  too  many 
projects  were  based  solely  upon  commodity  considerations.   Making  sale 
volumes  and  revenues  secondary  and  justifying  the  harvest  of  live 
trees  are  necessary  ateps  to  a  healthy  forest  ecosystem. 

Important  aspects  of  this  legislation  are  basing  the  declaration 
of  a  forest  health  emergency  upon  sound  science,  compliance  with 
environmental  law,  and  expanded  public  comment  opportunity. 
Preserving  the  appeal  and  judicial  review  processes  and  providing  two 
new  opportunities  for  public  comments  are  especially  refreshing  in 
view  of  recent  attempts  to  curtail  or  exclude  public  comment  from 
salvage  and  timber  sales.' 

Past  efforts  to  include  multiple-resource  elements  have  failed 
due  to  the  lack  of  funding  and  monitoring.  Funding  support  is  welcomed 
from  salvage  sales  and  Knutson-Vandenberg  Act  funds  for  both  product - 
and  non-product -related  treatments.   Recreation,  wildlife,  watershed 
restoration,  and  protection  have  been  short  changed  in  tlie  past,  and 
appropriate  consideration  to  these  values  is  long  overdue.   Necessary 
monitoring  is  essential  to  see  if  the  prescribed  treatments  are 
working  as  intended.   I  recommended  that  control  areas  that  receive  no 
treatment  be  set  aside  for  comparison  to  treated  areas.   Excluded 
roadless  areas  may  partially  serve  as  controls  for  long-term 
monitoring. 

In  summary,  careful  and  thorough  work  must  be  done  to  define  what 
healthy  forest  ecosystems  are,  and  honest  management  strategies  must 
be  designed  to  produce  sustained,  diverse,  and  healthy  forest 
ecosystems  that  seek  the  full  range  of  ecological  variability  and 
biodiversity.   Forest  health  must  become  much  more  than  merchantable 
tree  health  and  include  wildlife,  fish,  and  water  quality 
considerations.   A  healthy  forest  will  include  many  different 
appearances  or  successional  stages.   A  recent  report  from  the  Society 
of  American  Foresters  states  that  more  emphasis  must  be  given  to 
protecting  wildlife  and  diversity  in  forests  across  broad  landscapes. 
It  recommends  an  ecosystem  approach  that  would  base  logging  on 
protection  of  wildlife,  water  quality,  and  overall  ecological  health. 
H.R.  229  has  the  legislative  elements  to  accomplish  overall  ecological 
health  if  properly  implemented. 


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TESTIMONY  OF 

MR.  MERRITT  E.  TDTTLE 

ENVIRONMENTAL  AND  TECHNICAL  SERVICES  DIVISION  CHIEF 

NORTHWEST  REGION,  NATIONAL  MARINE  FISHERIES  SERVICE 

NATIONAL  OCEANIC  AND  ATMOSPHERIC  ADMINISTRATION 

D.S.  DEPARTMENT  OF  COMMERCE 

BEFORE  THE 

COMMITTEE  ON  AGRICULTURE 

SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  SPECIALTY  CROPS 

AND  NATURAL  RESOURCES 

U.S.  HOUSE  OF  REPRESENTATIVES 

BOISE,  IDAHO 
AUGUST  20,  19  9  3 


Thank  you  for  the  opportunity  to  address  the  important  issue  of 
the  health  of  Idaho  forests  and  their  shared  role  in  ensuring 
healthy  runs  of  salmon.   I  am  Merritt  Tuttle,  Chief  of  the 
Environmental  and  Technical  Services  Division,  Northwest  Region, 
National  Marine  Fisheries  Service  (NMFS) ,  National  Oceanic  and 
Atmospheric  Administration,  U.S.  Department  of  Commerce.   Various 
Federal  statutes  give  NMFS  the  role  of  providing  leadership  and 
expertise  for  the  protection,  conservation  and  recovery  of 
anadromous  fish  throughout  the  full  extent  of  their  range  from 
the  forests  to  the  ocean  and  back  again. 

I  am  here  today  to  provide  an  assessment  of  the  overall  health  of 
national  forests  as  salmon  habitat  in  Idaho  and  the  applicability 
of  management  strategies  authorized  in  H.R.  229,  the  "National 
Forest  Health  Act"  to  national  forests  in  Idaho. 


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The  Department  of  Comraerce  is  reviewing  H.R.  229  and  has  not 
taken  a  position  yet  on  the  bill.   However,  we  note  that  the  term 
"forest  health"  as  defined  includes  elements  of  ecological 
variability  which  we  believe  would  also  promote  the  maintenance 
of  healthy  populations  of  fish  and  wildlife  resources,  as  well  as 
the  other  uses  identified  in  the  bill.   H.R.  229  also  calls  for 
the  expedited  review  of  forest  health  improvement  programs  under 
other  applicable  environmental  laws  and  for  scientific  input  from 
other  agencies.   NMFS  is  currently  working  closely  with  other 
Federal  agencies  to  ensure  that  our  section  7  consultations  under 
the  Endangered  Species  Act  (ESA)  are  conducted  in  a  comprehensive 
and  timely  manner.   Should  H.R.  229  be  enacted,  NMFS  would  work 
with  the  Forest  Service  and  Bureau  of  Land  Management  (BLM)  to 
ensure  that  any  forest  health  improvement  program  is  consistent 
with  the  ESA  by  not  jeopardizing  any  listed  salmon  and  does  not 
contribute  to  the  decline  of  the  important  salmon  populations  of 
the  Northwest. 

Although  you  have  requested  that  I  comment  on  the  forests  of 
Idaho,  my  office  is  concerned  with  the  health  of  forests  as 
anadromous  fish  habitat  in  Washington  and  Oregon  as  well.   The 
definition  of  forest  health  can  vary,  depending  on  our  interests 
and  expectations.   To  people  interested  in  harvesting  trees,  the 
definition  may  involve  a  sustained  yield  of  timber.   To  other 
interests,  the  definition  of  a  healthy  forest  involves  a  variety 


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of  watershed  functions  and  forest  outputs  such  as  timber 
products,  aesthetics,  wildlife,  and  fish.   To  NMFS,  the 
definition  of  a  healthy  forest  includes  all  of  these  functions, 
especially  those  for  fish.   Forest  streams  are  where  the  salmon's 
life  cycle  begins,  first  with  the  act  of  spawning,  then  the 
incubation  of  eggs,  the  emergence  of  fry,  and  the  rearing  of 
smolts.   Thus  the  forest  serves  as  a  nursery  for  juvenile  salmon. 
The  general  health  of  the  forest  ecosystem  determines  the  number 
of  smolts  the  watershed  is  capable  of  producing. 

NMFS'  approach  to  the  conservation  of  Snake  River  salmon,  listed 
under  the  ESA,  is  based  on  ecosystem  management.   We  recognize 
that  forest  conditions  are  vital  components  of  watershed  quality 
and  salmon  abundance.   Therefore,  I  will  focus  my  comments  on 
characteristics  of  watersheds.   These  are  critical  building 
blocks  within  the  salmon's  ecosystem. 

Historically,  watersheds  throughout  the  forests  in  Idaho  produced 
an  abundance  of  salmon.   The  Journals  of  Lewis  and  Clark  identify 
drying  racks  and  fish  traps  for  salmon  in  Idaho  which  attest  to 
the  abundance  of  salmon  they  encountered  along  their  journey. 
Data  collected  by  the  U.S.  Fish  Commission  during  the  late  1800 's 
further  documents  an  abundance  of  salmon  in  Idaho.   These  studies 
report  that  thousands  of  pounds  of  sockeye  salmon  were 
commercially  harvested  and  dried  each  year.   These  salmon 


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provided  food  for  miners  working  in  Warren  and  Idaho  City,  Idaho. 
Idaho  had  an  abundance  of  salmon  and  many  of  its  residents, 
including  Indian  Tribes,  used  these  fish  for  subsistence,  trade, 
and  income.   Now,  however,  Idaho's  wild  salmon  are  listed  as 
threatened  or  endangered  species. 

The  ESA  obliges  all  Federal  agencies,  including  in  the  case  of 
forests  those  responsible  for  Federal  land  management,  to  use 
their  authorities  to  conserve  endangered  and  threatened  species 
of  wildlife  so  that  they  may  be  recovered  to  the  point  of  no 
longer  requiring  the  protection  of  the  ESA.   In  addition  to 
working  toward  the  recovery  of  these  species.  Federal  agencies 
are  required  to  ensure  that,  at  a  minimum,  their  actions  are  not 
likely  to  jeopardize  the  continued  existence  of  the  listed 
species.   NMFS'  role  in  this  strategy  is  to  provide  professional 
advice  to  these  action  agencies  as  to  how  they  can  best  meet 
their  ESA  obligations. 

A  team  of  scientists  appointed  by  NMFS  is  currently  developing  a 
plan  designed  to  lead  to  the  recovery  of  the  listed  Snake  River 
salmon  species.   NMFS  will  consider  their  advice  in  adopting  a 
recovery  plan  that  will  provide  guidance  to  the  Federal  action 
agencies,  including  the  Forest  Service  and  BLM,  to  meet  their 
obligation  to  work  toward  the  recovery  of  the  listed  species. 


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In  the  meantime,  however,  to  evaluate  impacts  on  listed  salmon  in 
Idaho,  the  Northwest  Region  of  NMFS  is  currently  providing 
professional  advice  to  the  Forest  Service  and  BLM,  and  other 
action  agencies,  concerning  the  listed  salmon,  through  what  are 
commonly  known  as  "section  7  consultations."   In  such  a 
consultation  the  Federal  agencies  consult  with  NMFS  to  ensure 
that  actions  they  conduct,  authorize,  or  fund  are  not  likely  to 
jeopardize  the  continued  existence  of  threatened  or  endangered 
species  or  destroy  or  adversely  modify  their  critical  habitat. 
These  consultations  cover  four  major  sectors  that  lead  to  the 
salmon's  decline.   These  four  sectors,  referred  to  as  the  four 
H's,  are  hydropower,  harvest,  habitat,  and  hatcheries.   These 
four  sectors  are  an  integral  part  of  the  Pacific  Northwest. 
Unhealthy  watersheds  are  part  of  the  habitat  sector. 

Depressed  stocks  of  salmon  are  not  unique  to  the  rivers  of  Idaho. 
During  the  past  few  months,  various  petitioners  have  requested 
that  NMFS  list  several  other  stocks  of  salmon  in  coastal  Oregon 
and  Washington  for  ESA  protection  and  recovery.   Although 
unaffected  by  hydropower  development,  these  salmon  populations 
are  also  in  decline.   In  coastal  watersheds  of  Oregon  and 
Washington,  intensive  road  construction  and  timber  extraction  in 
these  watersheds  are  linked  to  reduced  salmon  production.   Recent 
reports  stemming  from  President  Clinton's  Forest  Conference 


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recommend  sizeable  changes  in  the  way  forests  are  currently 
managed. 

Land  management  agencies  now  recognize  this  need  to  change  forest 
management.   Scientific  evidence  supports  a  new  approach,  which 
places  emphasis  on  ecosystem-based  management.   For  example, 
fish  habitat  surveys  conducted  in  Idaho  and  Oregon  about  50  years 
ago  described  relatively  undisturbed  watersheds.   A  recent 
comparison  of  those  surveys  done  in  Marsh  Creek,  a  tributary  to 
the  Middle  Fork  Salmon  River,  and  the  Grande  Ronde  River 
indicates  that  human-impacted  river  systems  have  lost  50  to  75 
percent  of  the  large  pools  during  the  past  50  years.   Large  pools 
are  critically  important  to  salmon  since  they  function  as  resting 
and  hiding  areas  for  adult  fish  prior  to  spawning,  are  preferred 
rearing  areas  for  juveniles,  and  serve  as  refuges  during  periods 
of  drought  and  winter  icing. 

While  the  quality  of  spawning  and  rearing  habitat  has  diminished 
in  managed  lands,  anadromous  fish  habitat  in  wilderness  areas  has 
remained  relatively  constant  or  has  improved  during  the  same 
period.   The  watersheds  within  thase  wilderness  areas  continue  to 
sustain  productive  habitats  for  salmon  despite  impacts  from 
natural  forces.   We  must  learn  to  manage  watersheds  in  a  manner 
that  mimics  those  watersheds  that  have  remained  productive, 
despite  fires,  droughts,  and  other  natural  forces. 


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Managing  the  ecosystem  at  the  watershed  level  will  improve  salmon 
runs  and  expedite  ESA  consultations.   Watersheds  must  be 
protected  if  we  are  to  sustain  Idaho's  salmon.   We  are  urging  a 
sound  ecosystem-based  approach  to  forest  management,  utilizing 
science  and  state-of-the-art  restoration  techniques.   This  can 
help  recover  threatened  and  endangered  salmon  and  help  prevent 
additional  species  from  being  listed.   This  approach  can  reduce 
the  complexity  of  consultations  for  endangered  salmon  and 
expedite  ESA  consultations  and  all  forest  activities. 

In  summary,  I  would  like  to  close  with  three  brief  reflections: 

1.  A  healthy  forest  ecosystem  is  based  on  healthy  watersheds 
which  are  vital  to  salmon. 

2.  Restoring  watersheds  must  begin  now  because  it  may  take 
decades  for  some  watersheds  to  begin  to  recover  and  for  the 
number  of  salmon  to  increase. 

3.  Restoring  watersheds  improves  the  likelihood  of  salmon 
recovery,  which  combined  with  other  actions,  can  result  in 
delisting  of  threatened  or  endangered  species  and  eliminate  the 
need  for  future  listings. 

Thank  you  for  the  opportunity  to  appear  before  you.   I  would  be 
pleased  to  answer  any  questions  you  may  have. 


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STATEMENT  OF 

CHAD  WICK  D.  OLrVER 

PROFESSOR  OF  SILVICULTLUE 

UNIVERSITY  OF  WASHINGTON 

COLLEGE  OF  FOREST  RESOURCES 

Before  the 

Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops  and  Natural  Resources 

Committee  on  Agriculture 

United  States  House  of  Representatives 

A  field  hearing  on  ecosystems  management  and  the  applicabihty  of  new 
forestry  and  forest  health  techniques  for  forest  ecosystems  management 

August  20,  1993 

MR.  CHAIRMAN  AND  MEMBERS  OF  THE  SUBCOMMITTEE: 

This  statement  will  be  divided  into  three  parts: 

1.  A  perspective  on  diflFering  policies  for  managing  forest  land; 

2.  A  detadled  description  of  a  proactive  approach  to  ecosystem 

management; 

3.  Specific  comments  on  H.R.229  (103rd  Congress,  1st  Session). 
Parts  #1  and  #2  will  serve  as  background  for  the  specific  comments 

(part  #3). 

PART  #1:  PERSPECTIVE  ON  POLICIES  FOR  MANAGING  FOREST 

LAND 

Policies  for  managing  forest  land  can  be  grouped  into  three 
approaches.  These  approaches  are  based  on  historical  and'or  current 
scientific  principles,  philosophies  of  Hfe,  and  practicalities: 

1.  The  commodity-based  approach; 

2.  The  "natviral  reserves"  approach; 

3.  The  "landscape  management"  approach. 


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The  Commodity -based  Approach 

Historically,  forests  in  the  United  States  aiid  elsewhere  have  been 
managed  with  a  policy  of  producing  specific  products-timber,  grazing, 
minerals,  water,  etc.--and  controlling  undesirable  natural  catastrophes  (fires, 
floods,  etc.). 

PhiloBonhicfll  hflckyrnnnd 

The  attitude  toward  natural  process  was  that  human  activities  were 
not  powerful  enough  to  overwhelm  nattiral  processes-but  that  hxmians  could 
sway  natural  processes  to  gain  specific  commodities  and  values. 

Active  management  of  forests  was  for  timber  because  of  the  expected 
"impending  timber  shortage."  This  "timber  shortage '  had  actually  occurred 
in  some  places  in  North  America-with  serious  hardships.  With  timber 
management  as  an  objective,  "old  growth"  forests  were  considered 
imdesirable,  since  their  timber  was  rotting  faster  than  it  was  growing; 
consequently,  meeting  the  timber  management  objective  meant  replacing 
these  unproductive  trees  and  stands  with  efficiently  growing,  young  stands. 

This  timber  production  policy  shifted  to  maximum  efficiency  of 
extraction  of  trees,  and  maTiTnnm  efficiency  of  regrowth  in  plantations  where 
it  was  economically  feasible.  In  areas  where  it  was  not  economically  efficient 
to  regrow  trees,  management  was  often  various  forms  of  uneven-aged 
harvesting  to  avoid  the  coste  of  establishing  plantations  combined  with 
protection  from  forest  fires. 

Northern  Rnrkv  Mntintains 

Memy  of  the  stands  in  the  northern  Rocky  Mountains  are  of  low 
productivity,  so  the  optimum  management  was  often  uneven-aged  cutting. 
Other  stands  grew  as  even-aged  following  very  large  fires  in  the  early  1900's 
or  before;  these  stands  were  overly  crowded  but  not  thinned  because  it  was, 
again  not  logistically  or  economically  worthwhile  based  on  timber  production. 
The  consequences  have  been  many  uneven-aged  stands  infected  with 
defoUating  insects,  and  many  even-aged  overcrowded  stands  susceptible  to 
bark  beetles. 


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These  conditions  of  high  insects  and  diseases  and  impending  fires  has 
been  exacerbated  by  meinagement;  there  is  increasing  evidence  that  these 
(and  other  forests)  periodically  developed  conditions  which  created  large 
outbreaks  of  insects  and  diseases  and  subsequent  fires  even  before  European 
settlement, 

FuJiding 

The  stated  policy  of  commodity  production  was  changed  to  "multiple 
use"  several  decades  ago;  however,  funding  for  active  management  of  forest 
stands  (e.g.,  K.V.funding)  and  building  of  roads  was  still  largely  allocated 
based  on  the  potential  to  produce  timber.  Consequently,  timber  production 
remained  an  extremely  active  objective  of  management.  Prevention  and 
fighting  of  fires  were  also  actively  funded,  since  fire  was  believed  harmful  to 
many  forest  values.  Fxinding  for  active  management  has  slowly  both 
increased  and  shifted  to  support  other  values. 

Shortcomlnga 

Commodity  management  has  been  very  effective  in  producing  its 
objectives--so  much  so  that  plentiful,  inexpensive  wood  is  taken  for  granted 
by  most  U.S. citizens.  On  the  other  hand,  a  diversity  of  stand  structures  for 
sustaining  biodiversity  and  other  values  were  often  not  maintained.  In 
stands  were  production  of  timber  was  only  marginally  economical  (in  many 
parts  of  the  northern  Rocky  Mountains),  the  stands  oft«n  grew  to  very 
unhealthy  conditions  and  became  prone  to  insects  and  fires. 

In  recent  years,  timber  management  has  been  increasingly  adjusted  to 
accommodate  other  objectives  as  well. 

The  "Natural  Reserves" Approach 

National  Parks  and  wilderness  areas  have  been  managed  with  the 
genera]  policy  of  avoiding  human  intervention  to  provide  natural  conditions, 
patterns,  and  processes.  Recently,  this  policy  has  been  advocated  for 
managing  other  federal  lands  as  a  means  of  ensuring  adequate  habitat  for 
"old  growth"  species. 


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PhilDsnnhical  Background 

It  seems  based  on  a  combination  of  several  philosophies: 
--that  humans  can  notyshould  not  try  to  interfere  with  natural  processes 

to  promote  their  values-even  biodiversity  or  saving  endangered 

species; 
"that  humans  do  not  understand  enough  to  intervene  in  natural 

processes; 
"that  forests  exist  in  a  "steady  state";  therefore,  free  of  human 

intervention,  there  will  be  a  natural  "balance  of  nature '  which  will 

maintain  the  various  environmental  values; 
-that  commodities  formerly  provided  by  the  forest  will  be  provided  from 

somewhere  else. 


Setting  aside  of  "reserve"  areas  has  not  resulted  in  a  natural  "steady 
state."  As  the  Yellowstone  Fire  and  other  natural  events  has  shown,  natural 
disturbances  often  occur  over  very  large  areas;  and  the  forest  does  not 
necessarily  return  to  a  "steady  state. "  (See  newspaper  article  at  end  of 
statement.)  The  response  by  those  still  advocating  "reserves"  is  to  advocate 
increasing  larger  and  more  "reseire  areas." 

Nnrfhpm  Rf^jlKV  M"""tJiin« 

Such  reserves  in  the  northern  Rocky  Mountains  would  become 
susceptible  to  periodic  fires.  Historically,  these  fires  have  spread  over 
hundreds  of  thousands  of  acres  in  a  single  season.  It  is  incorrect  to  assiune 
the  present  susceptibility  of  stands  in  the  region  to  insects,  diseases,  and 
fires  would  not  have  occurred  without  previous  management  practices;  in 
fact,  large  outbreaks  and  fires  occurred  even  before  intensive  colonization  by 
Europeans, 

Funding 

The  costs  of  a  "reserve"  poUcy  are  often  hidden.  Since  there  is  no 
active  management,  there  is  no  "up-front"  co.<its  of  management.  The  costs  of 
"reserves"  are  often: 

-a  reduced  primary  production  base  for  the  region  and  nation's  economy; 

-reduced  employment  opportimities; 

"higher  wood  costs  because  of  the  reduced  supply; 


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--a  shift  to  more  intensive  harvesting  of  timber  from  other  regions  of  the 
world,  as  well  as  substitution  of  more  polluting  steel,  aluminum, 
brick,  and  concrete  for  wood. 

Shortcomings 

It  is  still  not  proven  that  increasingly  large  reserves  will  be  effective  in 
maintaining  "old  growth"  features,  or  any  other  natural  balance  of  species 
and  processes. 

The  "natural  reserve"  approach- -when  practiced  on  a  large  scale-is 
based  on  the  outmoded  concept  of  the  "balance  of  nature  "  Over  the  past  few 
years,  ecological  theory  has  shifted  from  a  concept  of  a  climax"  (or  "old 
growth"  or  "ancient"  forest)  as  being  a  stable  entity  to  the  recognition  of  small 
"gap  phase"  disturbances  to  the  recognition  of  very  large  disturbances  (e.g., 
hundreds  of  thousands  (rf  acres). 

The  lack  success  with  small  reserves  has  led  to  pressure  for 
increasingly  larger  reserves-a  "central  control"  approach  to  policies.  Such 
reserves  often  exclude  local  people  from  obtaining  any  benefit  from  the 
forests-thus  alienating  them.  Historically,  rural  land  use  poUcies  have 
rarely  been  eflFective  which  do  not  have  the  support  of  the  local  people. 

Where  increasingly  large  reserves  are  imposed,  the  costs  of  these 
reserves  becomes  very  high.  It  is  probable  that  the  amount  of  money  spent 
(or  income  foregone)  on  these  reserves  could  ensiire  more  global  biodiversity 
by  being  spent  on  "landscape  management",  described  below. 

The  large  reserve  area  is  being  modified  by  advocating  a  managed 
"matrix"  of  forests  between  the  reserves. 

The  "Landscape  Management"  Approach 

The  landscape  management  approach  has  been  advocated  as  a  means 
of  ensuring  all  patterns,  processes,  species,  and  habitats  are  maintained  over 
an  area.  This  approach  uses  to  active  management  to  mimic,  avoid,  and 
mitigate  the  effects  of  large  natural  disturbances.  Over  each  smaller 
landscape  area,  it  maintains  (or  creates  where  necessan')  a  fluctuating 


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balance  of  all  structures  and  processes  wliich  are  found  naturally  over  the 
very  large  landscape. 

Philnaophiral  Rarkgrmind 

Landscape  management  seems  to  be  based  on  several  philosophies: 

"that  natural  processes  are  indiflFerent  to  himian  values;  however,  by 
wise  management,  htunans  can  gain  many  values  from  nature- 
including  biodiversity  and  commodities; 

-that  change  will  proceed—not  necessarily  to  the  benefit  of  humans- 

without  or  without  human  intervention;  therefore,  waiting  before 
intervening  may  be  worse  than  active  intervention; 

"that  natural  processes  are  neither  in  a  steady  state,  nor  will  they 

maintain  the  various  human  values  if  left  untouched  by  humans; 

"that  various  human  values  (including  biodiversity)  can  best  be  ensured 
by  managing  natural  systems. 

Landscape  management  recognizes  that  the  forests  are  constantly 
changing  in  structures  as  a  result  of  disturbances  and  regrowth.  Each  forest 
stand  structure  and  process  is  important  for  some  species;  consequently,  it  is 
important  to  maintain  all  structures  and  processes  if  all  species  are  to  be 
maintained  (Figure  2).  This  maintenance  of  all  species,  structures,  and 
processes  in  some  form  of  fluctuating  balance  corresponds  to  the  term  "forest 
health"  in  H.R.229.  Insect  outbreaks  are  natxiral  and  probably  helpful  to 
some  species  (e.g.,  migrating  birdsl;  therefore,  "forest  health"  should  not 
imply  elimination  of  insect  outbreaks.  Rather,  the  size  of  the  outbreaks 
would  be  managed  to  avoid  their  becoming  so  large  that  other  patterns  and 
processes  are  excluded. 

Since  forested  landscapes  occupy  smaller  areas  than,  they  did  before 
populations  increases  of  the  past  two  centuries,  the  variety  of  patterns  and 
processes  need  to  be  maintained  over  smaller  areas  than  was  done  natiu-ally. 
Consequently,  it  will  probably  be  necessary  to  manage  for  a  variation  in 
patterns  and  processes  which  fluctuates  less  extremely  than  the  "natural 

variation."  (Seepg. ,  H.R.229.)  In  addition,  the  very  large  natural 

disturbances  would  destroy  human  property  in  non-forested  areas;  therefore, 
the  sizes  of  disturbances  would  be  controlled  as  much  as  possible 


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Landscape  management  would  use  silvicultural  operations  to  mimic 
many  natural  processes.  Landscape  management  recognizes  that  human 
well-being  (above  the  subsistence  level;  is  beneficial  to  humans  and  the 
landscape.  Wood  removal  (and  production  of  timbers  and  employment  would 
be  byproducts  and  additional  benefits  of  ecosystem  management,  but  would 
not  be  the  driving  objective  of  management.  Emplo>'ment  and  wood  products 
from  these  silvicultural  operations  would  provide  local  people  with  a  value 
from  the  forest  and  therefore  an  interest  in  maintaining  it.  The  wood 
products  produced  in  this  way  would  substitute  for  steel,  Eduminimi,  brick, 
concrete,  or  wood  firom  other  regions  of  the  world  where  forests  are  managed 
in  a  less  environmentally  sound  manner. 

Landscape  management  would  leave  isome  areas  as  "temporary" 
reserves  (lasting  from  several  decades  to  several  centuries).  These  reserves 
wovdd  be  of  several  types: 

-areas  where  a  certain  structure  (e.g.,  old  growth)  exists  is  such  small 
amoxints  that  all  remaining  stands  with  this  structiire  are  needed 
to  maintain  a  balance  of  structures, 
--areas  where  structures,  processes,  or  species  exist  for  which  little  is 

knovm  of  their  requirements  (e.g.,  riparian  areas).  Since  nothing 
is  permanent  in  nature,  these  "reserves"  would  not  be  expected  to 
last  forever;  as  more  information  is  learned,  active  manipulation 
would  ocoir  to  ensure  more  of  the  critical  structures  occur.  These 
reserves  would  be  restricted  to  individual  stands  or  very  small 
landscape  areaa. 

Norfriifim  RnrJcv  Mnnnfj^ina 

The  northern  Rocky  Mountains  contain  a  large  number  of  insect- 
infested,  overly  crowded  stands  in  even-aged  and  uneven-aged  conditions. 
Lacking  in  many  areas  are  open  areas,  open  park-like  stands,  and  stands  will 
very  large  trees.  Very  large  fires  will  occur  barring  human  intervention, 
resulting  in  xmplanned.  destruction  of  human  property  and  very  large  open 
areas  lacking  dense  forests.  Landscape  management  would  use  timber 
harvesting,  thinning,  and  prescribed  fires  to  produce  a  variety  of  structures 
which  provide  a  variety  of  habitats,  help  protect  the  remaining  forests  from 
catastrophic  fires,  and  provide  a  flow  of  wood  and  employment  for  local  eind 
global  well-being. 


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Funding 

Thinning  and  even-aged  management  is  probably  not  economically 
justifiable  on  the  basis  of  timber  returns  alone  in  many  parts  of  the  northern 
Rocky  Mountains  where  such  practices  are  needed.  If  timber  production 
were  considered  the  objective  of  the  silvicultural  operation,  the  sale  would  be 
considered  "below  cost";  however,  the  income  from  selling  the  timber  will 
help  reduce  the  cost  of  the  silvicultural  practice.  In  this  way,  joint  production 
of  timber  and  biodiversity  will  reduce  the  cost  of  maintaining  biodiversity, 
increase  employment,  and  provide  for  ecologically  sovmd  timber  products. 
The  cost  of  biodiversity  then  becomes  the  amount  the  sale  is  "below  cost."  (In 
both  economics  and  ecology,  the  same  saying  is  true:  "There  is  no  such  thing 
as  a  free  lunch.") 

The  cost  of  this  landscape  management  will  probably  be  less  than 
"natural  reserves'  when  all  considerations  of  the  benefits  from  landscape 
management  are  considered:  increased  productions  of  goods  and  services, 
reduced  unemployment,  increased  tax  base,  reduced  costs  of  forest  protection 
and  restoration. 

Shnrtrffftminrp 

The  two  criticisms  of  landscape  management  are: 

1.  We  do  not  know  if  management  c€m  create  the  structxires,  patterns, 

and  processes  required  by  ail  species. 
In  response,  we  are  even  less  certain  that  doing  nothing  will  create  the 
necessary  structures,  patterns,  and  processes  at  the  correct  times 
and  places. 

2.  We  do  not  know  the  most  appropriate  patterns  of  stand  structures  to 

manage  for. 
In  response,  most  landscape  areas  contain  extremely  imbalanced  stand 
structures  at  present  which  we  know  are  not  sustainable.  There  is 
some  knowledge  already;  therefore,  forest  managers  can  begin 
correcting  this  imbalance  by  reducing  the  large  amounts  of  excess 
structure  while  increasing  the  structures  in  short  supply.  It  will 
take  a  long  time  before  these  extremes  are  corrected;  meanwhile, 
more  information  can  be  learned  about  the  desired  patterns. 


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PART  #2:  A  PROACTIVE  APPROACH  TO  ECOSYSTEM 

MANAGEME>rr 

A  Definition  of  Ecosystem  Management 

For  this  testimony,  I  shall  define  my  concept  of  Ecosystem 
Management.  It  is  similar  to  the  one  described  by  Saiwasser,  MacCleery, 
and  Snellgrove  (1992.  "New  Perspectives  for  Managing  the  U.S. National 
Forest  System"  Report  to  the  North  American  Forestry  Commission,  16th 
Session,  Cancun,  Mexico,  February,  1992).  It  is  similar  to  the  one 
incorporated  into  the  recently  completed  Eastern  Oregon  and  Washington 
Forest  Health  Report  (requested  by  the  U.S. Senate  and  House  of 
Representatives,  and  chaired  by  Dr.  Richard  Everett  of  the  U.S.Forest 
Service).  It  is  vfery  similar  to  the  concept  of  memaging  across  landscapes, 
which  I  described  in  a  statement  before  the  Subcommittee  on  Forests,  Family 
Farms,  and  Energy  of  the  Committee  on  Agriculture,  United  States  House  of 
Representatives,  March  11,  1992.  It  is  very  sinular  to  the  "coarse  filter" 
approach  to  management,  whereby  species  are  protected  by  trying  to 
maintain  a  balance  of  all  possible  habitats  to  keep  species  from  becoming 
endangered,  rather  than  waiting  to  focus  management  on  individual  species 
after  they  have  become  endtingered. 

Basically,  ecosystems  management  attempts  to  maintain  the  full 
balance  of  natural  patterns,  processes,  and  species  across  a  landscape  area- 
for  example  a  watershed  or  other  geographic  sub\mit.  This  management  is 
distinctly  different  from  many  historical  management  approaches  which 
focussed  on  producing  specific  commodity  outputs.  In  ecosystems 
management,  the  focus  is  on  maintaining  a  balance  of  processes;  commodity 
outputs  can  be  a  byproduct  of  maintaining  this  balance,  but  not  the  primary 
goal.  For  example,  in  a  balanced  forested  ecosystem,  a  certain  araoimt  of 
timber  can  be  removed  to  maintain  the  balance;  however,  a  need  for  a 
specified  amount  of  timber  would  not  dictate  the  management  practices. 

It  is  also  different  from  traditional  management,  since  it  attempts  to 
maintain  all  patterns,  processes,  and  species  across  the  landscape  rather 
than  only  maintaining  those  of  immediately  perceived  benefit. 

Our  understanding  of  forests  and  other  ecosystems  has  changed 
dramatically  during  the  past  few  decades  (Figure  1).  Rather  than  3ta>'ing  in 


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a  relatively  stable  condition--a  "steady  state  -ecosystems  change 
dramatically  through  various  disturbances  and  regrov,th.  Consequently,  a 
wide  range  of  patterns  and  processes  across  the  landscape-some  of  them 
quite  disastrous-can  occur  and  still  be  natured. 

Ecosystems  management  would  attempt  to  manage  natural  patterns 
and  processes  well  within  their  natural  range  of  fluctuations  so  that  no  single 
pattern  or  process  becomes  so  large  that  it  excludes  other  patterns,  processes, 
and  species.  Within  this  narrower  range  of  fluctuations,  management  would 
still  have  a  variety  of  options. 

To  give  a  specific  example,  Figure  2  shows  one  classification  of  forest 
development  patterns  foUowring- stand-replacing  disturbances.  As  can  be 
seen,  the  forest  develops  through  a  series  of  structures.  Each  structure  is 
suitable  for  some  species  but  not  suitable  for  others.  Ecosystems 
management  would  attempt  to  maintain  all  species,  patterns,  and  processes 
across  a  landscape  area.  Specific  patterns,  processes,  and  species  would 
naturally  move  within  the  landscape  area  rather  than  be  confined  to  one 
place,  since  forests  are  disturbed  and  regrow. 

The  amount  of  any  given  pattern  and  process  fluctuated  quite  widely 
in  natural  conditions;  and  there  is  evidence  that  these  fluctuations  were 
necessary  for  survival  of  many  species.  Ecosystems  management,  however, 
would  maintain  minimal  amounts  of  all  patterns  and  processes  while 
allowing  fluctuations.  The  old  concept  of  the  "balance  of  nature"  still  holds, 
however,  so  that  too  much  of  one  pattern,  process,  or  structure  necessarily 
excludes  other  natural  patterns,  processes,  or  structures. 

Ecosystems  management  would  not  be  a  rigorous  adherence  to 
completely  natural  processes.  Natural  processes  were  often  extremely 
catastrophic,  with  extremely  large  natural  disturbances-windstorms,  fires, 
and  volcanic  eruptions-covering  tens  to  hundreds  of  thousands  of  acres. 
Within  a  given  area,  some  of  these  natural  patterns  and  processes  were  so 
large  that  they  excluded  other  natural  patterns  and  processes-causing  local 
extirpation  of  species,  for  example    Such  large-scale  processes  also  disrupt 
human  lives  and  economies,  reduce  availability  of  many  resources  for  human 
use,  and  necessitate  use  of  more  environmentally  damaging  products  (e.g., 
steel,  ailuniinum,  brick,  concrete,  and  pla.stic)  as  substitutes  for  wood. 


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Much  of  ecosystems  management  will  involve  using  silvicultviral 
operations  for  several  purposes: 

"to  mimic  natural  disturbances; 
-to  protect  areas  from  natural  disturbances  where  the  size,  time,  type, 

or  location  of  the  disturbance  is  undesirable;  and, 
--to  help  a  landscape  recover  a  balance  of  patterns,  processes,  and 

species  when  an  undesired  natural  disturbance  occurs. 

Ecosystems  management,  therefore,  involves  maintaining  a  balance  of 
patterns,  processes,  and  species  across  an  area  through  active  management 
(Figure  3).  This  management  would  avoid  the  extremes  of  natural 
disturbances  and,  at  least  at  first,  attempt  to  maintain  a  fluctuating  balance 
across  smaller  areas  than  was  done  historically  in  nature.  Although  much  is 
not  known  about  the  appropriate  pattern  and  range  of  fluctuations, 
ecosystems  management  can  begin  by  correcting  extreme  imbalances  which 
currently  exist  while  more  is  learned.  Ecosystems  management  should 
produce  the  byproducts  of  timber,  fish,  and  other  natural  resources.  Timber 
products,  for  example,  also  contribute  to  the  quality  of  the  global 
environment  where  they  substitute  for  more  polluting  steel,  aluminum,  brick, 
and  concrete. 

Ecosystem  Management  Can  Be  Done 

For  several  years  I  have  taught  mid-career  and  graduate/ 
undergraduate  courses  where  we  have  developed  and  refined  ecosystems 
management  principles,  as  I  have  described  them  above.  Various  students 
and  I  have  incorporated  them  into  several  ongoing  management  projects—the 
Washington  State  Olympic  Experimental  State  Forest,  the  Vashon  Island 
(Washington)  project,  and  the  Mt.  Everest  Ecosystem  project  (Nepal). 

It  is  not  only  conceptually  possible  to  implement  ecosystems 
management,  we  have  realized  that  it  is  extremely  difficult  to  achieve  many 
management  objectives-e.g.,  animal,  riparian,  and  aquatic  habitats-without 
an  ecosystems  management  approach.  An  ecosystems  approach  allows  an 
appropriate  amount  of  fluctuations  and  variations  in  patteinsj  and  processes 
to  occur  simultaneously  with  a  sustaining  of  all  patterns  and  processes. 


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Our  various  implementation  and  training  projects  show  it  is  possible  to 
do  ecosystems  management;  however,  it  requires  a  shift  in  thinking  on  the 
part  of  managers  at  all  levels  and  a  shift  in  other  aspects  of  management  as 
well.  It  is  also  a  highly  technical  process,  wliich  requires  skill,  equipment, 
knowledge-based  systems,  and  a  dedicated  organization. 

Oxxr  experience  with  ecosystems  management  shows  that  the  approach 
creates  a  great  degree  of  consensus  among  frequently  antagonistic  groups. 
The  approach  first  determines  what  possible  alternatives  and  consequences 
are  possible  on  a  landscape,  and  then  determines  which  will  achieve  the 
management  goals  in  a  "bottom-up"  planning  process. 

The  limitation  to  implementing  ecosystems  management  is  not  the 
lack  of  silvicultural  and  forest  management  operations  techniques.  These 
techniques  include: 

planting  &  other  regeneration  operations; 

thinning; 

pruning; 

fertilizing; 

weed  control; 

controlled  fire; 

clearcutting; 

shelterwood  &  seed  tree  cutting; 

green  tree  retention  (very  sinular  to  shelterwood  cutting); 

selective  cutting; 

creation  and  maintenance  of  snags,  "wildlife  trees",  and  down  logs; 
and  others. 

All  of  these  techniques  are  useful  AT  THE  RIGHT  TIME  AND  PLACE 
in  ecosystems  management,  since  all  of  these  have  their  coiinterpart  in 
nature.  (See  Eastern  Oregon  and  Washington  Forest  Health  Report  referred 
to  earlier.)  Large  fires  following  windstorms,  for  example,  created  many 
structures  similar  to  (or  more  severe  than)  clearcut  areas;  while  other  fires 
and  windstorms  created  many  structures  similar  to  shelterwood,  seed  tree, 
and  selectively  cut  £ireas. 


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The  appropriateness  of  many  operations  needs  to  be  assessed  on  a 
case-by-case  basis.  As  examples: 

"The  stabiUty  of  roads  and  their  potential  for  causing  siltation 

problems  depends  on  the  local  soil  conditions  and  how  the  road 
was  built.  Consequently,  the  desirability  of  constructing, 
maintaining,  or  removing  a  given  road  needs  to  be  made  within 
each  local  area. 
"The  size  of  each  area  to  be  managed  depends  on  the  local  topography. 
For  example,  it  does  little  good  to  restrict  the  area  to  be 
harvested  to  a  small  size  if  the  svtrrounding  forest  will  blow  over 
soon  afterward,  anyway.  Decisions  here,  too  must  be  made  at 
the  local  level. 
"The  need/use  of  fire  also  depends  on  the  local  ecological  conditions. 
In  some  places,  the  forest  vdll  bum  naturally  if  controlled  fires 
are  not  done. 
--Similarly,  the  current  practice  of  avoiding  management  around 
riparian  areas  may  be  changed  as  more  is  learned  about 
behavior  of  riparian  and  aquatic  habitats.  Siltation  and  other 
disturbances  always  have  and  will  occur  in  these  areas,  since 
the  Pacific  Northwest  is  in  an  area  of  geologic  uplift.  As  more 
becomes  known,  it  may  prove  better  to  plan  the  times  and 
distributions  of  these  events  throu^  management  than  to  let 
them  occvur  naturally  in  an  unexpected  way.  Riparian 
vegetation  and  forest  structures  may  also  be  enhanced  through 
various  management  practices. 
For  silviculture  and  management  practices  to  be  appropriately  prescribed, 
there  must  be  local  flexibility.  This  can  best  be  achieved  by  avoiding  central 
planning,  having  directions  be  goal-oriented,  and  gi\'ing  local  managers  the 
flexibility  and  resources  to  make  site-specific  decisions. 

Many  sUviciilture  and  management  techniques  are  quite  well  known. 
There  is  a  concern  that  bad  management  practices  we  have  learned  to  avoid 
will  reemergs  in  the  neime  of  "ecosystems  management."  For  example,  the 
practice  of  "high  grading"  may  be  resumed  in  an  attempt  to  create  uneven- 
aged  stands  if  past  knowledge  and  great  care  is  not  used    "High  grading"  can 
result  from  cutting  the  wrong  trees  when  attempting  to  do  "selective  cutting." 
Foresters  have  worked  hard  to  get  away  fi-om  "high  grading"  over  several 


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continents  during  the  past  few  decades.  Much  of  the  fire  and  insect  problems 
in  eastern  Oregon  and  Washington  are  the  result  of  "high  grading. " 

A  certain  amount  of  concentrated  research  and  development  and  mid- 
career  short  courses  wiU  help  appropriate  silviculture  and  management 
practices  be  implemented  more  effectively;  however,  the  bottleneck  to 
ecosystems  management  is  not  a  lack  of  ability  to  do  these  techniques.  Once 
the  other  bottlenecks  are  cleared,  research  and  development  on  these 
operations  could  proceed  quite  effectively  through  "adaptive  management." 

Many  of  the  operational  techniques  described  above  are  presently  not 
being  used  because  they  are  not  economically  feasible  under  cxirrent 
accounting  and  funding  allocation  systems-even  though  the  techniques  may 
be  desirable  for  ecosystem  stability.  (The  funding  systems  will  be  discussed 
later  in  this  paper.} 

The  major  need  for  ecosystems  management  to  be  efifective  is  to  have  a 
systematic  way  to  determine  the  correct  time  and  place  to  use  the  various 
silviculture  and  management  operations.  Any  one  technique  used  to  excess 
or  too  infrequently  may  cause  patterns,  processes,  and  species  to  become 
extirpated  from  the  area.  Five  specific  forest  management  techniques  are 
needed  to  promote  ecosystems  management: 

i.  Much  investment  is  needed  in  developing  and  obtaining  highly 
technical  decision  support  hardw£u%  and  software,  and 
specialists  to  service  this  equipment.  This  hardware  and 
software  will  allow  rapid  processing  and  flow  of  information 
necessary  for  ecosystems  management. 

iL  Forest  resource  managers  at  all  levels  will  need  to  be  trained  in  the 
fundamentally  different  way  of  viewing  management  and  using 
the  technical  tools.  The  training  will  be  needed  for  all  members 
of  local  U.S.Forest  Service  I. D. (prescription  issue  identification) 
and  E.A.  (environmental  assessment)  teams,  as  well  as 
managers  at  all  levels.  Such  training  has  been  occurring 
through  various  mid-career  short  courses,  but  could  be 
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iii.  Research  and  development  will  be  needed  to  deterniine  the  tsu-get 
patterns  and  processes  to  be  managed  for  across  the  landscape. 
This  research  will  include  "reconstruction"  and  "landscape" 
studies  and  "adaptive  management '  as  ecosystems  management 
is  implemented. 

iv.  As  discussed  above,  research  and  development  will  be  needed  in 
developing  and  refining  various  silviculture  and  management 
operations. 

V.  A  silviculture/management  infrastructure,  including  a  strong 

component  of  monitoring,  will  need  to  be  incorporated  into  the 
ecosystems  management  process  and  supported  to  maintain  the 
etfectiveness  of  ecosystems  management.  Once  this 
infrastructxire  is  built,  it  will  probably  prove  very  cost-eflfective. 

It  is  sometimes  suggested  that  we  shovdd  wait  \intil  we  have  more 
basic  knowledge  before  proceeding  with  any  management.  I  disagree  with 
this,  since  forests  continue  to  grow  and  disturbances  continue  to  occvir,  even 
when  the  decision  is  made  to  do  no  management.  No  management  is  an 
active  decision  to  allow  certain  patterns  and  processes  to  occur  which  may 
exclude  other  patterns  and  processes  across  the  landscape.  Since  we  are 
beginning  management  with  limited  knowledge,  we  can  begin  ecosystems 
management  by  trying  to  avoid  and  correct  the  extremes  of  patterns  and 
processes  we  presently  find.  We  can  adjust  our  targets  and  techniques  with 
time  and  experience  throu]^  £Kiaptive  management. 

Local  forest  managers  are  generally  moving  toward  ecosystem 
management  anyway,  since  it  appears  to  be  a  very  effective  way  to  sustain 
the  various  values  of  the  forest. 

The  riiany  alternative  directions  of  management  are  intensive 
management  for  single  values-preservation  or  timber  production  for 
example.  These  alternatives  probably  will  not  be  effective  since  there  are  so 
many  values  from  the  forest  that  we  can  not  provide  single-use  areas  for  each 
of  them.   In  addition,  the  importance  of  the  various  values  continues  to 
fluctuate  more  rapidly  than  they  can  be  grown  as  single  uses. 


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Where  no  coordinated  management  is  done,  such  as  in  subsistence 
agriculture  in  many  parts  of  the  world,  many  of  the  patterns,  processes,  and 
species  are  lost. 

As  more  values  are  becoming  threatened  (e.g.,  fish,  forest  health,  ajid 
clean  air),  it  is  a  very  efifective  way  of  maintaining  those  values  which  require 
large  sireas  of  diverse  patterns  and  processes. 

There  are  several  thrusts  which  would  help  implement  ecosystems 
management: 

i.  Begin  technical  programs  to  develop  the  needed  hardware  and 

software  to  make  ecosystems  management  planning  efficient; 

ii.  Begin  providing  this  Decision  Support  and  other  hardware  and 

software  needed  for  ecosystems  management  to  the  local  levels 
of  the  foreste  (even  as  it  is  being  developed,  rather  than  waiting 
xintil  it  is  fully  developed); 

iii.  Begin  training  local  forestry  and  other  resource  people  as  well  as 
people  at  all  levels  of  management  in  the  concepts  of  ecosystems 
management.  Mid-career  short  courses  could  be  effective  here; 

iv.  Encourage  ecosystems  management  to  begin  in  a  "bottom-up" 
approach,  NOT  a  "top-down"  central  planning  approach. 
Presently,  state-of-the-art  technology  is  beginning  to  allow  the 
various  ecosystem  patterns  and  processes  to  be  coordinated  over 
areas  of  about  10,000  to  15,000  acres.  Ecosystems  management 
at  this  level  could  begin.  Then,  management  over  broader  areas 
can  be  done  through  creative  coordination  among  managers  of 
these  smaller  areas.  This  "bottom-up"  approach  will  also  allow 
immediate  identification  and  correction  of  currently  hazardous 
conditions  even  before  all  decision  support  hardware  and 
software  is  in  place. 


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PART  #3:  3.  Specific  commeate  on  H.R229  (103rd  Congress,  Ist 

Session) 

H.R.229  is  a  positive  step  toward  landscape  (ecosystem )  management. 
It  allows  a  scientifically  sound,  pro-active,  joint  production  of  tlie  various 
values  of: 

--forest  protection  from  catastrophic  disturbances, 

—maintenance  of  a  diversity  of  forest  stjructures  and  processes; 

"local  employment: 

-production  of  ecologically  sound  forest  products. 

One  major  sviggestions  is  to  change  from  an  "emergency  fund"  to  be 
instituted  only  at  "times  of  crisis"  to  a  constant  fund  to  maintain  the  forests 
in  a  condition  of  health  through  constant  manipulation  of  stands  BEFORE 
they  reach  crisis  stage.  This  constant  mjtnagement  would  be  much  more 
similar  to  landscape  management.  There  are  several  reasons  for  this  change: 

1.  The  cost  of  proactive  management  of  stands  will  be  much  less  costly 

and  much  more  efifective  thsm  "emergency"  measures  after 
problems  have  begun. 

2.  A  problem  with  declaring  an  emergency  will  be  to  identify  when 

forests  are  in  a  condition  of  poor  "forest  health."  For  example, 
using  technical  "density  diagrams"  and  "decision  keys", 
silviculturists  can  recognize  that  a  stand  will  become  overcrowded 
and  poor  in  vigor  many  years  (even  decades)  before  it  actually 
becomes  infested  with  insects. 

As  examples,  foresters  were  predicting  the  insect  outbreak  in 
the  Yellowstone  in  1981.  Similarly,  an  insect  outbreak  'and 
subsequent  fire)  can  be  expected  in  tlie  ponderosa  pine  forests  on 
the  Coconino  Plateau  (Flagstaff,  Arizona)  based  on  the  stand 
history  and  structure,  although  insects  may  not  appear  for  several 
years  or  decades. 

3.  Relatively  steady  management  activities  in  an  area  will  be  much  more 

logistically  efficient  than  working  on  an  "emergency"  basis,  since 
relatively  steady  employment  and  flows  of  wood  will  maintain  a 
trained  labor  force,  equipment,  and  markets  in  the  area.  The 


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emergency  basis  will  require  unstable  "booms"  and  "busts"  of 
unemployment,  equipment,  and  markets. 

4.  The  "emergency"  practice  of  salvaging  burned  trees  to  prevent  spread 
of  insects  in  the  weakened  trees  is  biologically  sound. 
Sociologically,  however,  such  policies  have  given  the  local  people  no 
interest  in  preventing  wildfires.  (This  lax  attitude  among  local 
people  has  occurred  in  many  places  in  the  world  where  they  had  no 
stake  in  preventing  fires.) 

Specific  comments  refer  to  lines  of  text: 

pg.  2,  In.  13.  Overcrowding  of  trees  is  a  very  common  cause  of 

weakening,  resulting  in  windthrow,  insect  infestations,  etc. 

pg.  2,  In,  17  &  18.  As  discussed  above,  because  of  the  large  size  of  natural 
disturbances  (jmd  the  currently  firagmented  landscape),  you 
probably  want  to  be  concerned  with  conditions  which  are  actually 
within  the  "natural  range  of  variability."  (For  example,  a  million 
acre  fire  is  within  the  range  of  natural  variability,  but  probably  not 
desirable.) 

pg.  3,  In.  1.  The  forest  health  "emergencies"  also  are  part  of  (and  the 
result  of)  natural  patterns  and  processes.  (Management  is  not 
responsible  for  all  of  the  emergencies.) 

pg.  3,  In.  6.  Suggest  add  words  to  read;  "...substantial  ecological  and 
economic  losses..."  since  loss  of  habitat  is  an  ecological  loss. 

pg.  5,  In.  16.  Good  point. 

pg.  8,  In.  8-10.  Tliis  appears  like  a  robust  definition  of  "forest  health."  It 
is  much  better  than  an  "insects  are  bad"  perspective. 

pg.  12,  In.  23-25.  This  ability  to  provide  incentives  to  non-Federal  lands 
is  ecologically,  managerieilly,  and  technically  sound. 


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pg.  15,  In.  1  &  2.  Putting  this  into  and  "adaptive  management" 
framework  will  make  tlie  monitoring  most  efficient. 

pg.  15,  In.  13-16.  Are  experts  from  academic  inGtitutions  included  in  this? 
I  suggest  they  be  included. 

pg.  18,  In.  18-20.  This  expansion  of  K.-V.  money  uses  is  a  very  positive 
step. 

pg.  26,  In.  20  &21.  This  forest  health  report  is  a  good  idea.  Suggest  use 
term  "health"  to  describe  distribution  of  structures  across 
landscape. 


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THE  Mi^V  YORK  TIMES 

SCIENCE  rvL'iO'W.  iuly  u.  im 


New  Eye  on  Nature:  The  Real 
Constant  Is  Eternal  Turmoil 


The  ^balance*  theory 
may  be  more  poetry 
than  science. 


By  WILLIAM  K. STEVENS 

In  «  rvvUion  th«t  hts  far-r«ach{ng 
ImpllciUona  (or  tne  way  humane  .tcr 
(h«  natural  world  nnd  ihcir  role  In  it. 
many  $cicn«Ui«  are  for»akmi5  on*  c( 
the  molt  dc«ply  einb«<ld«d  cortcqn* 
oi  ecology:  (ht  balaiK:e  ul  nature. 

r.cotoghtn  have  irndHlonallv  oper- 
ated on  the  «$»(jmpllon  that  tne  nor- 
mal condition  ot  nature  is  a  xtaie  of 
tqulllbrlum.  In  which  organj.imi 
comp»i«  and  cocxiirt  In  an  acolo|ilcRi 
lyjtcm  whojf  worklnfit  are  essential- 
ly stable.  Pr«<ltlort  and  prey  ~ 
ntoose  and  waives  »t  rJK;rfBh5  and 
gaielles,  lor  inftianrc  -->  orr  Mrppn^cd 
to  remain  In  eit«niialiy  Mntir.  b'-il* 
ance.  Ancfwvlea  and  salmon  rrarrh  n 
tnaxiumm  pcpolatlon  th.it  oin  \k  mi&- 
lained  t>y  ihelr  wccanic  environment 
»nd  rrmaln  at  ihM  level,  A;  forest 
growi  to  •  b«auUful.  mature  climax 
stage  ihat  bixome*  U»  naturally 
permanent  condition. 

Ttili  concept  of  natural  equiritn lum 
ksng  ruled  ecdoglcal  rfsean:*?  ami 
governed  the  managnrnvnt  of  soch 
naiurol  resources  i»5  (oresta  wid  fish- 
tries.  It  led  to  the  doctrine,  popular 
among  conservationists,  ihai  n»iurc 
knows  best  and  that  human  Inicrven- 
lion  In  U  in  had  by  tlcfmUlon. 

No*-  a4i  accu."n.<U:lnn  of  cvMcr.ce 
hB$  gradii»<lly  |pd  many  ccologists  to 
abandon  the  concept  or  declare  It 
trreievani.  and  others  to  alter  it  drjv 
Ucally.  They  say  Uiai  naiur*  ix  .icni' 
ally  In  a  cimilnuinn  sintc  of  distur- 
bance and  fluctuation.  Chanpe  and 
lurmoM.  more  than  constancy  and 
balance.  Is  the  rule.  As  a  coii%e- 
quence,  say  many  leaders  In  the  r.eid, 
itexttxxSis  will  have  to  l>e  rr»vr>ucn 


and  strategies  of  con^firvntim  and 
resource  management  will  have  to  be 
rethought. 

Changing  View 
Of  N<iturQ 


U'Kli.^lUfbOd 
noltjr^ 


\ 


I    Rfsponse 


» 

oiitwimieil:' 


s>  •••'-•JIviiJSWi.j, 


Tlmt  -^ 

In  th«  past,  tcolDglaiB 
Assumed  that  nstur« 
undi5turt7«d  waa  a  conatant 
8tet9  to  which  ©coiystams 
and  popufatloni  oi  animgili 
i^ouid  ration  alt^r 
c}Taturtsnc«4  liK«  nrnjt. 


Undiaiufbi^d  n.-iiuro 
variBS  b«lws»n 
soma  limUs 


Tlmt  — 

Ma;)/  $Cl«0tl5l«  n^vr  &«li«v9 
\Ni  lOCxiOl  10  t^  U^COrfUCl. 
Populatlone  and  ecosystems, 
Ihey  say,  ehvays  vary  wltWn 
soma  boundarlas  and  thsra  Is 
no  "perfecr  atala  to  which 
Ihelr  number*  and  growth  will 
reluio  il  th9y  aro  disturbed 

Soun»:  Dmnitl  fll  BotkJn 


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Thr  bRiwnce-of-nature  concept 
"makes  nice  po€iry,  bui  Jfs  nm  au«  h 
great  science,"  93IJ  Dr.  Sirward 
T.  A.  Pickeu,  n  plant  ♦coJvkui  ai  iite 
In^tUuicof  Ecosystem  Studies  of  die 
N«w  Ynrk  Brnnplcjil  (jRr<len  ai  Mill- 
brnok,  NY  Hn  wa',  h  cn-orRflnl.'et  of 
a  lympfinlum  thni  rxplurr<J  [hr  inRl- 
ter  ycMrrtlny  In  ^nnwhlrfl.  t.'inh.  ni 
lilt  annual  meeting  of  ihr  I- rilnflcaj 
SucUriy  uf  Amrrira,  ihr  nRllOM  s  pre 
rnicr  PfRanlzntlon  of  ecolocical  scien- 
tists. 

WiDir  (he  ynift  in  thinking  h.is  not 
yd  produced  a  coiier^ni  nc-.v  i'hx,;y 

to    leplacf    the    Ohl    (»np.    Or     Pk  kr;< 

c^3l  iiLienirx  whni  Is  gnlnR  on  «i<5  "a 
majt'r  rrviston  of  one  of  onr  Dasic 
«S3unnptlon3  of  how  the  nnlurnl  world 
worKj."  Tlie  drivirlnping  c«>nvtrt)on 
•JlRt  naiuf*  13  rul-d  more  hy  flux  and 
dlSturdanc?  Is  "bOCOmmjj  the  Ounu- 
n«ni  I'iea/'he  said. 

"Tticrr  will  alwny?  h>*  p'.'ut>le  wIfO 

*lll  rling  tp  olM  Idcnj  "  «3('J  Dr.  Si- 
mon A  levin,  n  Cornell  Uolveislly 
ec»)i<igi.-.(  who  I',  ihc  iPO'iniine  piesl- 
dent  of  the  RrijlnRiral  Society  '"LlJt 
frrialnly  ihr  center  ol  n)a!!i  of  lliltiH- 
Ins*  nmone  ccoloatsi*,.  hrf  r.imi.  h(i$ 
shifiod  owby  (rdfri  cquilibnutii  and 

■tV^fil  Ibi'  (llirtuallllg  ll.llllC  cf  Pi»t- 

<jial   sv^tcMi^.   r,i>tnr  ji.iciiinis  now 

lay  ibfti  (.Toloclcol  rflmntunllfti  uf 
plants  and  i»nlm«l«  are  lnt\orr.r(|Y 
unjtaMe  lar(icly  bcrpuse  of  Wlor.yn' 
erotic  dillofenow  (n  behavior  amoMR 
COmmMnllkes  and  Individuals  In  them. 
A  «upf  r-«i4ir*Mivc  wo(fp«(K  Je«d<!r, 
ivr  exompTc.  c«n  gre«tly  Increo jc  ihe 
pack'B  hunting  ?/ficlency  and  dr.-itnhl. 
h:«  iIk?  ev^yiiem  —  jtiji  At  iH*  Uealh 
of  a  pnck  tBpcKT  can  promote  inaiatjll- 
Ity  by  cauflnR  the  par.H  lod'6l>frBf. 

D>i(  even  II  <^cnlci|lcnl  communlilr* 
do  (ll."»pl«y  »yrne  aorl  of  Inlr.i  n;>|  fij^l- 
Ut^rlum,  mony  ir,h>ni(«t»  belteve.  ex- 
tcrnfll  digiurbances  Ilk*  cllmailc 
change,  year-to-year  variations  In 
wrAiner  bAllerrs.  llrcfl.  w|iv<j3ior/n5, 
hurricanes  tiKt  Jlieaac  jcldom.  i( 
*vrr.  Jive  tbe  communuies  A  Clinnce 
to  settle  Into  «  aiabie  stale.  »n  fbit 
view,  the  climax  forr^t.  lUt  n-aily 
tymmclrlcQl  prciJAli>r-prry  rcinlJnii. 
»hip  fliirt  the  bumper  fK^  p<'>pttlaUon 
become  translwi  conditions  et  best. 
*ven  in  the  absence  of  huoK^n  Inter- 
vention. 

Sclcni|»t/mre  finding  Ihm  to  bft  inie 
«>  tnnny  scoIm  of  iln>e  and  space, 
from  t/>e  giftclal  and  gJobol  to  lh« 
eeftsunal  and  foc«l,  fimJ  tn  porU  of  ih« 
world  Icyifk  o7n^ldrr«d  lb*  most  pri.'j- 
ttiie  and  «;t9hir  Via  the  trorlcul  rain 
foroji»of  Svulh  and  Central  Amcrira, 
for  Insianc-e,  cr  the  north  wtmJa  o< 


Canada    ond    the    northern    Untted 
Sifltrj) 

In  the  tiaiurHl  lamlsr ope,  "tl*n;  ij 
■Irooii  i>iMlr«tim<tBnc«-  gne  ton  find 
•"Xre  something  |»a-t  cbanaina  Uie 
irstnn."  Mnjd  Dr.  <:mrai>  L  Jocobsnn 
!»'• .  who,  OR  A  PAleoccoioflUt  <»|  ih» 
UnlvergUy  of  Maino,  nudlcs  ecotonl- 
Cal  chanftr  a»  It  |a  revealed  In  ancient 
scdlnicmj  and  rock*  AlxJ  while  lhcr» 
»««y  be  0  lend<^ncy  toward  a  Jidble 
Mulllhilitm.  he  said,  "jl'j  never  al. 
luvred  to  get  there,  so  wc  mlglu  as 
w^ll  iKil  expect  It  toeMil." 

In  this  dc^eluvlng  new  pei  8p«cllvc, 
ht»rnans  irn  •merK'ng  ax  ju?l  we  of 
many  9:)t|rres  of  ivcolo^iial  dJxtur- 
b*iice  thnt  hrcp  |>nlure  In  a  pcrp^nmJ 
alotc  of  upnior.  lT)e  qiieeijun  of 
whfitirr  humini  «l|v<jld  Jntervcn*)  in 
n»*wt-n?  pr(v*«*«^  1^  m/vw.  ••'OJnRlsts 
•ay.  SMK'e  humans  ftt>d  their  ntar- 
human  ancestors  hove  bcon  dvlnR  so 
lor  eo«i|,  Bfxi  rrolofU-al  sysioma 
•  r«i/^  the  worU  bear  their  indelible 
Imprint. 

TV  (Uippoccdly  prlatlnc  rain  for- 
♦sla  of  I.Aili)  America,  (or  ln;t«ncc, 
owa  ^ome  ol  tnelr  character  to  ihe 
Inlcrvcnilwi  of  liumonx  who  planted 
and  Iranrpianlcd  ifiv>*  nno  olfx'r 
pUfiii  throuf  ruxil  Ihe  lungln.  And  the 
auppcwftdly  unspoiled  krrnRetl  plain 
Of  Alrka,  tonip  e«.tjlDgisi)i  sre  con- 
vinced, owes  lis  irrmendous  (\bun- 
dance  of  Rrft?.((;^  animal*  a\  jeftst 
partly  «o  humon-cot  f  jrea  that  created 
lt<YBnno  hnbltats. 

"n>«  real  quc.<;tloii.  ecoluRKi*  ifly,  |s 
which  oc.ri  of  human  Iniervcntfonj 
Should  be  promoicd  and  which  op. 
pnaed. 

Onr  nf  U)o  hlj^pnf  human  Intervetv 
HCHl«.  »wme  say.  It  taking  plncf  rt^w 
as  people  pour  hcat.lrappjnf:  chcmU 
cars,  mainly  cartKHi  dtontdr.  Into  the 
Bimosp»>f  te.  Many  r.HmniQlop.jsis  ex. 
pj'Ct  that  this  will  cause  the  F.mih's 
cllmalr  to  warm  Mgniflcantly,  cnu«. 
ll»8  ecpeclally  wW^-jpread  crolofilcal 
dIslocRtlon, 

The  temperature  of  the  r.nnt\  I1.15 
•hllted  up  «rtd  down  many  times  in 
psjt  evna,  ccniogljij  point  wit,  (tnd 
ecosyfitainj  hsve  Alwayj  Bd|uslRd. 
Bvf  Ihia  human  Inlervenllnn,  $<-len- 
tilts  say.  tltrealcn*  to  force.  In  a 
ceriu<y  or  kr.t.  vj^jj  climatic?  »nij 
e^nlof  tea)  chongos  that  haw<?  uvjally 
toKcn  millennia  Ecoh^ljis  fe.ir  tnpt 
thi?  time,  eeo^y^tvms  will  nri  adjust 
rapidly  n^.^h  \o  ^tavf  off  cataslro- 
plir  lor  many  *poi|*<(i. 

M^rcovfi.  wme  wnJopljt!*  sny. 
people  are  ellmin/itlryi  aomc  of  the 
diversity  nf  habitat  —  find  therrloro 
Of  fpeclcs  —  iPflt  other  natural  dl.'.- 
ruplKHiB  crente  inrt  prnmolc.  "We 
thn'oieii  thai  vftrlrtbltlty  tx-r«uv  we 
want  to  msjtiiKc  evcryihiit^  ijXc  corn. 
flRM«,"  jold  Dr  Julie  Dcn'slow,  a 
tn.'plcal  ccolofili't  at  Tuisn.*  Unlver.<:i. 
ly.  Tt\trt;  (s,  shr  «bIJ,  'a  vrhctornnip 
ol  Mi"  oppn<»«ft  to  thi.i  •rwiirllile  ho- 
mogrnlilnj^.' 


HI 


New  View  of  the  Balance  of  Nature 
Finds  the  Real  Constant  Is  Tuniioil 


A  Difficulty 

Posing  a  Question: 
What  Is  Natural? 

The  nc*  vu-w  (j(  rianiro  j«;5tj  diffi 
cul.'lc.«  fiir  cc>r4crvfni(.n)rit  jnd  f  nvi- 
f^iTtcnlallKi/i  w(>u  wani  lo  i>rT5crvo 
Ihingr.  hi  iSfir  naiui*!  condiuon.  «c)- 

em!.'.ix  Sjty,  since  thr  qiitjlluii  now 
lA'wmrs  If  clilurcn  (s  ronstnm.  n^I'^I 
K  ilio  nnturni  r.inri-' 

Wh.d,  frii  lii';V,uitr.,  Is  iln-  i-xiijf'l 
rfxnJliloiiQt  Ihr  A(11tviuln<;kr..  whcf/i 
iplrllrrt  ^^(tjL'jmral  ir.  pttlng  on  ;»!>imiI 
whfihor  ■Toiifl)!"  fisli  hkr  siiokci*, 
jihlnoi;  jind  rhun*  slumlj  be  klll'^rt 
(iiij  rcmnvr>l  fi<ini  r.on>r  piin<l»  lo 
niaki'  way  i(ir  (icu(  I'l'iifvlr  oi  ruic 
?l<lv  «(  (hr  nrpiiMH-ni,  clllna  q  si.iir 
policy  ihm  I  Imj  to  "pciPC'nuie  natu 
rAl  )<miollc  "coiyAi^tiii"'  In  the  men. 
say  thni  ilif  uuirIi  It.ilt  irpr«-<( m  ilu? 
nnuir*l  ci>n<llll(m  nn«l  ilv/it  tin."  i^iitil!: 
jJiwiil'l !«  pi  CJM'i  vo)  In  Ihal  r.«ii<ilili>ii 
Olhcra  sAy  t|i«i  nl  IcnK  somif  ivuRh 
ftjh  or>:  dr.*f<-fvjp«i*  ol  haUfUli 
broup.ni  III  by  humnns  onj  Ui.m  Ihcv 
h^vf  crourdrd  mil  (nnil  »mt  flom- 
lahrd  ilifr^  enrllcr. 

U  ♦lihcr  o(  tfies*  «li<;moiivc  wmOl- 
tlons  "ih^"  nolurQl  staio'  Or  l!  the 
fimurBJ  sloir  ihe  *8y  Ihc  Adltyn- 
dacXs  w«;rf  when  Europ«fti>^  (jrsl  ar- 
rive? Or.  (or  iliit  maUc.r.  tho  way 
Ihay  w^ce  in  the  m|ll«jinla  when  the 
ttfslon  won  ^^l^^cd  under  en  Ice-nge 
(tlflr-tcr.  Or  In  the  «jrc««8iun  oi  dtltr.r- 
tnx  {crests,  animals  and  ccft*y«i«rms 
Ihal  folJOw-rd? 

"Nslurc  -cun  b?  In  mnny  cvndl- 
lion?."  «<\id  LJr.  Daniel  6.  tolkln,  fti) 
Kck^tst  at  ir>«  Unlvcrsliy  of  CAlKor- 
nifl  ftt  Stn\A  bartiara  who  Is  o  lcad«i 
o(  the  r(}a!i&«Mmonl  effort.  Decause 
0(  that,  he  RAW.  owiervatlonmi  and 
n^vitct  managrrn  w|i)  b«  required 
to  inolyy^  B  Jtlven  sItuAilvn  more 
cororully  than  In  ilrx:  (>ni»l  nnd  llici» 
CffMK  whlc^  n<Moref  condftlyn  \v 
prcmote  rather  C«n  »lrnply  Insist 
Ihat  humanj  ehouW  not  up«ct  s  sup 
poofO  balance  of  ofliurt 

"1  think  »x'8  ri^t,"  »nh1  Rupert 
CX3tl«f,  the  prcildoni  oJ  (he  De(cn<1f.r$ 
Of  WlldlK*.  a  meijor  consflrv««tion  or. 
Rflnl?4ll(on.  He  luld  thtit  the  .ihift  jji 
thinking  "WKtesLi  lh»l  the  responsl- 
timy  tor  proLBCtU^jJ  rwlurs  will  re- 
quire «  moch  higher  \fyt\  of  inicnie 
Ipplluitlon  of  Klenc«  thAn  ll  vr«» 
•vtf  «isum«d  to  r«Qulre  In  the  pnsl." 


Empty  Th»onr 

Observations  Find 
No  Neat  Balance 

In  U«  clasflc  (ormulattoo,  Ihe  bil- 
»fK«-«f«n*tUre  conctpi  hoJda  thai  In 
ecoffyit^m  malnulflS  A  constant  equl- 
Ii^rlufD  arxi  when  diuurti^d,  it  re- 
turns to  lu  former  status  wl>er3  thft 
C#U»  of  «>«  ai«lurb*nce  la  removed. 

Many  sclenUjU  ncnr  ny  Ic  (a  cJcir 
lh»t  lhl»  »<  rKX  Ihe  way  ihlrg*  w«rk. 
"Wc  ran  tay  that's  d<>fld  fur  most 
pfople  In  ihB  xclcnttflc  comnjvjnliy," 
»»lo  Dr.  Pelrr  I..  n>f*»iin.  n  Ihrnrril. 
eal  coiof.lAt  at  Uhlo  Sime  Unlvrrntly 
wtiti  tcjk  p:iri  Ift  yeslerday'K  ?y»»po 
slum  olyor  with  br.  Plckcll,  Ur.  Jn- 
WbMn,  Dr,  Butkln  or>d  Dr,  Denskjw. 
ThPOiher  pnrtlclpfntJ  were  Dr  Mar- 
|:arcl  R.  OawIji.  «  pnteocroioglm  at  llic 
University  of  Minttfftyta  who  h^)J)^^d' 
orxanl?^  Uie  symposium  ftihlDr.  Judy 
I-  Meyer.  ■  si  ream  ccolopisi  «)  the 
Univrri^liy  vf  CreorftU. 

NUny  chsorvRtJviiJ  of  Ihr  hrluivii^r 
of  antirtol  j>couIallr)n:»  In  the  wild. 
$i»y«  l)r.  BotVin,  Oo  not  xtipp^m  the 
of;?:umpit<)n  vf  ncnl  hal«Mi>  prcdictisl 
t>y  trftdlllcnnl  rcolvRjcal  theory  Qtit 
«:p«-to'  t>ie  theory /IB yj  that  when  a 
pOf'Ulatton  of  nnlmnli  moves  luu'  -in 
area,  li  gn>wj  iiredually  ty  n  Jevrl  of 
uhundance  at  Which  Its  cnviiomm-ni 
vrlll  nllrvw  u  U)  be  s"iilaln.'«l  Ip'Jcflnltr.. 
ty.  aixj  (hon  iTn»i»ln5  at  that  (t-v*). 
AtKithrr  says  i\vtl  prcOoioi  xml  prey 
pomjIfltWinK  In  a  ^Ivfn  ^.oiystcm  os- 
cIllAtc  In  numh*>r(t.  w|ih  cxi.-'  rxV^vla- 
tl<jn  at  a  p"-*'''  while  trta  other  k  at  a 
low  f«>lrt  nnd  vl<o  vrrsa,  Ihcir-liy 
CKnllnR  nn  «-(|iiilibrlgm  ovr-r  tlme.i 

Bui  In  teal  llfr-,  mys  Or.  BrnKln, 
■  Vhen  yoii  loinxJucc  n  nopMlallon  to  n 
new  ftr^o  It  ROC*  up  ana  then  crrtshtv 
and  Ihm  II  ij^.-onnl  romsln  cw^iant. 
1lK  l>>iig-ii>rm  nuniN  i»  vnry  nnd  bi« 
much  lower'  ilirtn  prcdictr.d  hy  the 
theory  Similarly,  h*  tA'ij,  p  numhor 
nf  JUidles  and  n)><rrvatlon9.  la  the 
Inborr.torv  *t  \\cll  on  the  wild.  jIkiw 
thai  pr-dalor  proy  poiiulatlonj;  rtn  nut 
Ofclll.Tlc  stpljfy  nnd  prriUvlnUy  In 
.':(f.nfi.  insy  either  IIvk  lunie  wildly  mid 
imprediciohiy  mt  the  pre)'  •tp^clvT  u 
<llmlnmrO  Ahd  Ihe  prr/^niur  ipti  If^ 
rtl«»9  vl  jtorvAiinn  In  one  fttni/^uJ  e.t- 
perlmpru.  Doramwliini  rnl:robo«  in 
rr»aaed  rnpKlly  Vihrn  prr<l3l«;r  ml- 
tro(>r»  *f»rc  Ir.lirtjih  Aj.  Ihry  In- 
<  '■esccd.  I(«i  Hill  In  the  <  itif  111":  p,i(  n- 
meclo  wi  IT  rKlrfuiinslcfl  ann  iln- 
pi  flijiiior:  di<^l  •  f  siorvailfiii 


112 


A'tcirpi*    io    oppH    the    cl3''i<'^l 


Vitlibrturp  f.tliii.fplp 


r<Hlllibrturp  f.tlili.lpip  to  IT*  irnPARO- 

(fi,  ;<'<<)iJI'ia  Ml  III.  llt'lkiti.  I  »i 
yrnj-;.  In-  kaU),  intrriiAliftJt.'il  hkmIb 
[>>rr.  «'t  ff/n!riirii;lal  ll.'.hhiR  (\{i^i- 
mmrO  ;tlluA.-\h!f.  Aiimiflj  culihcr.  hy 
calrulatiiip,  tnaximum  iii«iftlii.|l)k< 
yt>.'li)»  ;ici  or<1lii5  ii)  rtj\(<llbrliiin  \\)t>. 
01  y  lilt-  Hilary  vm»s  «ii<||  »  )ux>r 
K^ilJo.  1)1  RriOdiM-iiJ.lh-lt  p<>|)iil;ntiiii 
flflr*!    |;<j|>tll.T|)tin   (.f  <NHliii|i<i(  |:il   Ihll 

stif('i"0  rilosdiijdih;  Jvi;II(irn  In  lln* 
lyilii  s  niiO  iorP'\  <in(l  fomt-  (i:ivi-  imi 
y«(  riTtivrtrd 

Manngriy  nt  lirhrrlr^  nrr  ii ytiir-.  li» 
liliiVf  *\»(iy  lioill  IliftI  «l«nlr>'.y  lldW, 
III'  "tiiUt,  by  nnn))riiip.  (Iir  nior'-  ('itiii- 
|>ll(ni'>il  ';uiiiii  that  nriD.tlly  ^ii.icr 
mine  flyli  popuUil<)Mn  Amunp  ihctr, 
i(ir  rxni(il>k'.  arr  (he  riwhimiiu-nlfti 
iltMurlKinrc.<  dmi  imiTty  tlclrrmliKj 
<|ir  *!/"  uf  '•  (••'•in  yrnr't  IiO(<  Ihpr  \ii 
yniMiR  iKIr  Itv  '"ftilinullnR  «n<l  k(^(>- 
Jiif  Tiftrk  vf  <hcic  vftrylnp,  "ycir 
(,l;iry''?:  "  mniinp/ff  hype  (n  rjdjiiif 
<  ni>'h  (|init;i»  vi'nr  bv  yf^ni  n»nl  nvnirf 

ni|)|i>H  "<ll  t^K  •'Mlll»  I  {(inr 

Sftiiu-  Fi;l'.viil»ij  arc  nft«  quHt  'rt'Jy 
Id  rit>3ndnn  fiiiiir-ly  the  cwicpj  i>t  ivu 
JiiliriCi'l  iCiWriicy  inwuril  cqnlHh 
vliim  til  M  o:.y»(i  iii^  A  kind  ol  ci)iiliili- 
limn,  lliny  sav.  nifty  ch\^{  ni»  wmr. 
jcolrs  ol  ilm('  mnj  jparr. 

S'.^'lc,  In  (.in.  Dioy  U:  very  Jnipor- 
I.TMi.  wjiili'  ilirrc  may  Ut  fnyrjnuul^. 
iiiil';0;iHrlnR  illHtuhninc?  anO  lUu  itt- 
Biloiifc  niiiviiK  .vmnll  iMipnlnti'Mi;  in 
r'n:»ll  cc(«v*i"""<,  says  Or  Piihrfl, 
llM*  (liK'ivaiKtnr-  ni^y  ht  darnpritril 
wlirn  the  Li  I  »',i'r-  jiir  lure  Is  r  imui  On  '0. 

^Immi':i  y(>j|  ii(  turillltiil-xv^llo  cqiilllla 
I  linn  mt^il  ii|ft>>r    An  n>i||li;«l  j^fJHltii- 

iii>C.)>i  i>ui  il'i  '•II  I'  :i|l<i<*7d  tu  ron;^c 
pvri   A   *kI'  '    ;iica.  l)f    nmHn  itttn 

(Dill  U  «'•  qi'ilC  p-Ottl.tli-  (h:il  WlHlO  II 
J^IVPD  lUf  ulily'x  rrnloRy  WOtllil  <  li.-iii;«f 
utiiiki.'JIy  (ivci  lliinnciiids  v(  yen  ft, 
ihTr  niiilO  [f:  iiTunlng  '?lii>llaiiii«x 
—  ;«inJ  Jhwr-  n  KImiI  uf  llg.iling  r(}iillir>. 
rlijiii    —    111     MioJiuitt-rAtip.o    liar 

lIvAi,  In  (an,  15  whM  Dr.  Ch-sr.i^ii, 
Ihe    ih<^iii««(ivi:m.   pofilul4»i(-i.    There 


•Tiny,  for  irvinmr.  1^  3  llniUwl  ninjsr 
In  wUltlmn  nnlmni  papuUiio4i  llurtu- 
nui  nvcr  »<vriiil  lioniirci)  yrnf«  An 
raulllliHum  vwild  ho  rnkulaujil  by 
^(•VlrR  Ihr  ov<"u«Rc  ul  Ihfl  JUmna- 
llnnR.  Hill  II  \»«ukl  fj^  )i  "rMl  mU^ 

>*«k<«."    sold    Or     ChC^rOl).    to    •■'m;Ui; 

Ihlc  wlih  nnylhlnn  •'rrmulcly  ilkt^" 
III':  cin^slcal  hU'ti  v(  (he  tMlftnic  nl 
nniuff 


Outside  Factors 
Shape  Ecosystenis  ,z. 

PCfhSpj  th«  innj;  outalantJIiiR  cjj> 
dcnce  (avorlnn  an  ccoloity  ol  cnnsivS' 
chai)|t«  and  dlJrupdnn  oyer  onr  yt 
stnllr  hi^toncc  cnm«s  from  |ii>iJir5,of 
n^ilurallv  occurring  fxiimml  faciOTif 
IhBi  dljfocBtr  e<^o^ysltms. 

For  •  KinA  Umc.  wys  Dr.  M»ycr  <ji, 
ihf  Unlveriliy  <if  Gcorglfl.  ihcsc  oin- 
jliic  Inllircnccj  w#re  Insufllclfnliy^ 
fuukltrrd.  V]*  empha*l8.  the  soUii' 
was  "ofi  piTTcctios  joliyt  on  within  9J<* 
tyrlcm. "  *v<fr;  thoug^i  "wliafs  hnp< 
pcnIiiB  is  drivrn  by  whofx  h(»|i|x7nc<< 
OulsltK."  Fci'loRiJu:.  ^\t  saw.  "h»4 
hllnflf r«  wi  In  ininKlnR  obaii  exicmaj 
t.\>ntn3lllnp,  factors."  t 

CJIrnntc  and  WfjUKr  appear  foirti 
rno.1t  imoiui  ihcit  fectori.  By  KiiKhi* 
Ing  ihc  rccortl  l»ld  down  Ip  (X^an  bM 
lake  ef<31ment».  icWtiUia  lir>ow  Ihof 
CUtnalc.  In  ihf  wordu  of  Dr.  DaviRjjf 
Ihc  Unlvr^Trslty  of  Mlrmecoto,  h«»  l.ecff 
"^^lldly  fluciudlt.na'  cvftr  Ihe  Itil  tw» 
million  vrari.  and  ih«  jJmpo  <^  e<3j: 
ftvutmi  wiih  li  lh«fli>ciiiA«iofij  loie 
place  rK>l  only  frop)  ton  to  pon.  |^l 
•  l.iw)  from  yi>»r  \v  year  snd  41  cvr.ry 
jcalc  In  tiiMMrecn.  'So  you  cani  \l8y 
niu?  B  time  In  <>Qul!lbrluni,"  Jafd  r5r, 
Dovlj 

E'r  JBco<^.<on  iald  ih«r«  Ib  viriuftjly 
na  »l»nf  when  Ih*  overall  ♦nvlron. 
nicnl  siayo  cw»i3t»ni  lor  ycr>'  long. 
'•lTu»i  mrsni  in»i  ihc  confignrrtiion 
of  <lw  ecosyai^ms  Is  aiwAjr)  chang- 
ing." 


113 


Figure  2A  (after  Oliver  1992fc) .   Forest  structures  change 
after  natural  and  human  disturbances,  as  shown  here 
simplistically  (after  Oliver  1981). 

2B.   Different  plant  and  anizal  species  are  found  in  each 
structure,  but  all  structures  are  necessary  within  a  fores: 
area  to  maintain  biodiversity.   (Vertical  axis  =  number  of 
mammal  species;   after  Franklin  et  al.  1986). 

2C.   The  structures  change  with  age  (shown  here 
schematically  for  western  Washington);   however,  the  time 
before  each  structure  was  reached  following  a  natural 
disturbance  varied  greatly. 


A.  CHANGES  IN  STAND  STRUCTURES  FOLLOWING  DISTURB^\NCES 


STAND 
INITIATION 


^jTi  ffmfii?rt 


STEM  -        UNDERSTORY 
EXCLUSION    REINITIATION 


^   \^y 


OLD 
GROWTH 


B.   MAMMAL  SPECIES  UTILIZING  EACH  STRUCTURE 


C.  PRE- 1850  WESTERN  WASHINGTON  FORESTS 


::W5mw^ 


100 


^^ 


200  300 

STAJ^ID  AGE  (YEARS) 


400 


114 


Figure^  .   A  targeted  variety  stand  structures  (Fig.  :Z  ) 
could  be  maintained  in  a  dynamic  balance  across  a  landscape 
unit  through  silvicultural  operations.   The  size  of  the 
landscape  unit  and  each  stand  would  be  determined  by 
scientists  and  professionals  based  on  ecological, 
geomorphologic,  and  climatic  processes  as  well  as  logistic 
considerations.   Target  spatial  distributions  of  structures 
would  also  be  defined  by  scientists. 


SCfVLE  ;  •  '  :ii-2t..  1  (iiiiilo^i.  ri.iM.xiimpliO 

(DEPENDS  ON  RIOI.OCICAL.  GEOI-CKilCAL.  AND 
CLIMATIC  FACTORS  I 


TARGET    LANDSCAPE  PATTERN  (EXAMPLE) 
I I         STAND  INITIATION  :   >15%  of  area 

STEM  EXCLUSION:    >lS%ofarea 


UNDERSTORY  REINITIATION:    >15% 


OLD  GROWTH:   >15%ofarca 


PATTERN  AND  AREA  IN  EACH  STRUCTURE  IS 
DICTATED  BY  ECOLOGICAL  CONSIDERATIONS. 


115 


Mr.  Chairman.   Members  of  the  subcommittee.   Thank  you  for  the  opportunity  to  testify  at 
this  hearing. 


My  name  is  Leon  F.  Neuenschwander  and  I  represent  the  University  of  Idaho  as  the 
Associate  Dean  for  Research  and  International  Programs  for  the  College  of  Forestry, 
Wildlife  and  Range  Sciences.   I  am  a  forest  and  range  ecologist  and  will  speak  from  that 
expertise. 

The  condition  of  many  forests  in  eastern  Washington,  eastern  Oregon,  and  southern  Idaho  is 
in  decline.  The  Forest  Service,  Bureau  of  Land  Management,  State  of  Idaho,  and  private 
lands  are  affected  by  the  current  insect  and  disease  epidemics.   Some  people  call  this  a 
"health"  problem,  as  if  the  symptoms  could  be  treated  as  medical  science  does  with  human 
patients.  We  don't  know  enough  about  forest  ecosystems  to  do  that  with  comparable  degree 
of  confidence.  But  we  need  to  develop  the  knowlwlge  of  how  to  improve  forest  conditions 
because  the  long  leaf  pine  forest  types  such  as  ponderosa  pine  forests  will  continue  to  decline 
and  give  way  to  the  more  shade  tolerant  tree  species  and  will  become  even  more  threatened 
by  wildfire,  insects,  and  disease  if  we  continue  to  manage  these  forest  as  we  are  currently. 
Extensive  landscape  ecosystem  management  with  silvicultural  alternatives  and  prescribed  fire 
is  needed  to  restore  forest  condition  and  prevent  forest  decline. 

Dead  and  dying  trees  from  insects,  disease  provide  fuel  for  wildfires.   Catastrophic  stand 
replacements  by  wildfires  are  increasing  in  the  northern  Rocky  Mountains. 

In  some  locations  dead  and  dying  forests  have  recently  been  subject  to  catastrophic  fire.  For 
example,  in  the  Blue  Mountains  of  Oregon  some  of  these  fire  areas  include:  Joseph  Canyon, 
Tepee  Butte,  Dooley  Mountain  and  others. 

A  well-known  example  was  the  fires  in  Yellowstone  National  Park  in  1988  and  the  Foothills 
fire  near  Boise,  Idaho.  In  the  past,  and  I  fully  expect  in  the  future,  the  dead  and  dying 
forests  set  the  stage  for  catastrophic  wildfires  by  increasing  the  amount  of  understory  plants 
as  well  as  the  dead  woody  material  to  support  intense  and  fast  spreading  fires.  That  will  cost 
more  to  suppress,  limit  resource  management  options  and  create  economic  loss. 

I  believe  the  decline  in  forest  conditions  is  related  to  both  natural  processes  and  management 
policies,  especially  the  exclusion  of  fire.   Some  of  the  natural  processes  include  forest 
succession  moving  toward  more  dense  forest  with  more  shade  tolerant  tree  species.    For 
example,  ponderosa  pine  is  being  replaced  with  Douglas-fir,  white  fir,  or  grand  fir.   This 
change  in  the  species  composition  includes  more  trees  that  are  more  susceptible  to  insects 
and  disease,  especially  under  drought  conditions.   There  has  also  been  an  increase  in 


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numbers  and  density  of  trees  in  these  forests.   In  some  locations,  tree  numbers  and  biomass 
have  exceeded  carrying  capacity  of  the  site. 

Historically,  the  combination  of  wildfire,  drought,  and  insects  and  disease,  have  regulated 
these  natural  succession  processes  and  generally  favored  serai  trees  like  ponderosa  pine.   For 
six  of  the  last  seven  years,  forests  in  Idaho,  eastern  Oregon,  and  Washington  have  been 
subject  to  drought  conditions.   Historically  fires  occurred  often,  that  is  once  every  7  to  25 
years  in  the  ponderosa  pine  forests  of  southern  Idaho.   These  fires  removed  small  trees  but 
the  large  trees  survived.   Most  fires  have  been  suppressed  and  fire  no  longer  plays  the 
natural  role  of  reducing  the  stocking  levels  and  favoring  the  serai  forest  species.   In  fact,  the 
fires  today  are  often  of  high  intensity  and  frequently  wipe  out  large  areas  of  trees.   This 
pattern  was  historically  present,  but  seems  to  be  more  extensive  today.   Even  so,  the  total 
number  of  acres  being  burned  is  substantially  less  than  what  it  was  before  the  turn  of  the 
century  when  we  began  fighting  forest  fires.   The  fires  are  killing  many  of  the  large 
ponderosa  pine  tiiat  survived  the  surface  fires  of  the  past.   Old  growth  ponderosa  pine  is 
more  at  risk  of  being  killed  by  fire  than  ever  before.   This  is  occurring  at  the  same  time  that 
the  natural  regulators  of  insects  and  disease,  such  as  forest  birds,  parasitic  insects,  and  other 
critters,  may  be  in  decline. 

Forest  management  research  is  needed  so  we  can  understand  what  some  have  called  forest 
health  issues  and  to  undentand  them  as  ecosystem  processes.   Insects,  disease,  and  fire  are  a 
part  of  these  natural  processes.   However,  these  factors  are  out  of  balance  and  appear  to  be 
changing  forest  ecosystems  at  this  time.  If  global  climate  change  occurs  as  some  have 
predicted,  this  will  create  even  more  serious  problems  for  forest  management  activities  and 
the  health  of  forests  in  this  region.  I  feel  that  an  urgent  need  is  to  focus  on  sustaining 
productive  forests  and  work  to  prevent  low  growth  and  high  mortality  rates  that  are  now 
occurring  in  the  Northern  Rocky  Mountain  forests.   We  can  do  this  only  by  addressing  the 
condition  of  forest  ecosystems  as  a  whole  in  addition  to  treating  the  symptoms  of  forest 
decline. 

The  dead  and  dying  trees  on  the  national  forests,  BLM,  state,  and  private  lands  represent  an 
economic  loss  to  Idaho.   Salvage  of  the  dead  and  dying  trees  should  be  considered  and 
executed  in  such  a  way  as  to  guarantee  the  future  productivity  and  maintenance  of  the  forest 
ecosystem.  Future  timber,  wildlife,  recreation,  and  water  resource  values  must  also  be 
considered  along  with  the  economic  loss,  and  the  effects  of  salvage  logging  should  be 
identified  on  a  site  by  site  basis  in  consideration  of  the  socially  determined  desired  future 
conditions  with  respect  to  these  low  timber  values. 

Scientists  have  studied  forest  ecosystem  conditions  for  decades.   Even  with  an  extensive 
existing  knowledge  base  we  do  not  have  conclusive  answers.   There  are  many  different 
opinions  and  views,  all  supported  in  part  by  research.    However,  the  bulk  of  the  research  has 
not  addressed  issues  dealing  with  forest  health  as  an  ecosystem  process.    A  first  step  in  that 

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direction  will  be  the  forthcoming  "Forest  Health  Conditions  in  Idaho"  report  by  the  CFWR 
Policy  Analysis  Group.   We  will  need  additional  scientific  information  to  fill  in  our 
information  gaps,  especially  in  the  area  of  the  effects  of  salvage  logging  on  natural  regulators 
(such  as  bird  communities),  on  fire  hazard  potential,  management  future  fire  effects,  on 
sustaining  long-term  forest  productivity  and  on  ecosystem  processes. 

I  hope,  we  do  not  have  to  treat  forest  conditions  in  a  state  of  decline  as  emergencies  or  wait 
for  "forest  health  emergencies"  to  manage  the  forests  ecosystems  for  sustainable  productivity. 

Forest  health,  is  the  condition  of  forests,  particularly  when  expressed  in  the  vernacular  of  not 
only  scientifically  complex  but  also  highly  emotional.   We  at  the  university  can  assure  you 
that  we  want  do  our  part  to  address  these  needs.   Please  consider  that  you  need  long-term 
science-based  solutions  to  forest  ecosystem  productivity  in  addition  to  short  term  treatment  of 
the  visible  symptoms  of  forest  health  problems. 


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Suggested  Questions  for  Leon  F.  Neuenschwandcr 

1 .  If  the  drought  were  to  end  would  that  solve  the  forest  health  problems? 

2.  What  about  "new  forestry"?  Will  the  new  forestry  activities  and  management 
practices  reduce  forest  health  problems? 

3.  If  we  stop  all  forestry  management  activities  and  harvesting  of  timber  will  he  forests 
continue  to  have  the  vast  areas  of  dead  and  dying  trees? 

4.  What  forest  management  activities  are  needed  to  increase  forest  health  and  return  the 
number  of  acres  of  dead  and  dying  trees? 

5.  Can  we  afford  to  let  wildfires  run  their  course?  How  can  the  natural  role  of  fire  be 
restored  to  our  forests? 

6.  Do  you  agree  in  principle  with  the  findings  of  congress  and  with  purposes  started  in 
Sec.  2,  H.R.  229  -  the  National  Forest  Health  Act. 


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THE  WILDERNESS  SOCIETY 


IDAHO  OFFICE 


TESTIMONY  OF  CRAIG  GEHRKE,  REGIONAL  DIRECTOR  OF  THE  IDAHO  OFFICE 
OF  THE  WILDERNESS  SOCIETY,  BEFORE  THE  HOUSE  AGRICULTURE 
SUBCOMMITTEE  ON  SPECIALTY  CROPS  AND  NATURAL  RESOURCES  REGARDING 
H.R.  229,  THE  "NATIONAL  FOREST  HEALTH  ACT"  AUGUST  20,  X993, 
BOISE,  IDAHO 

Thank  your  Mr.  Chairman.   My  name  is  Craig  Gehrke.   I'm  the 
regional  director  for  the  Idaho  Office  of  The  Wilderness  Society. 
The  Wilderness  Society  is  a  non-profit  conservation  organization 
based  in  Washington,  D.C.  whose  mission  is  the  wise  stewardship 
of  our  public  lands.   Nationally  the  Society  has  over  300,000 
members. 

The  Society  has  been  intensively  involved  in  national  forest 
management  issues  for  the  past  decade.   My  comments  today  will 
reflect  my  experiences  with  national  forest  management  here  in 
Idaho. 

The  forest  health  issue  has  dominated  national  forest 
management  discussions  for  the  past  several  years.   People  are 
rightly  concerned  about  the  long-term  health  and  sustainability 
of  all  the  unique  resources  found  on  the  national  forests.   Too 
often  that  concern  has  been  addressed  by  the  management  agency, 
the  U.S.  Forest  Service,  on 'management  techniques  which  only 
address  tree  health,  not  forest  health. 

The  health  of  the  national  forests  has  been  an  emotional 
issue  as  well.   You  will  no  doubt  hear  from  the  timber  industry 
that  leaving  dead  trees  in  a  forest  is  a  "waste,"  and  that 
subsequent  fires  roaring  through  dead  trees  will  destroy  our 
watersheds  and  fisheries. 

Yet  even  sixth  grade  biology  students  understand  that 
nothing  is  ever  wasted  in  diverse  ecosystems.   Dead  trees  provide 
homes  for  numerous  species  while  rotting  logs  enrich  the  soil. 

Claiming  a  desire  to  "save"  the  forest  watersheds  from  fire 
is  equally  self-serving.   Past  observations  do  not  support  the 
contention  made  by  some  that  fire  will  irreversible  destroy 
watersheds.   The  Idaho  Panhandle  Forest  recently  documented  a 
forest-wide  decline  in  water  quality  and  tied  that  decline  to 
logging  and  roadbuilding.   By  contrast,  the  roadless  watersheds 
of  the  upper  St.  Joe  River  provide  some  of  the  best  remaining  of 
high  quality  water  on  the  entire  Panhandle  Forest.   These  are  the 


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same  watersheds  that  were  burned  by  the  1910  fire,  one  of  the 
largest  wild  fires  in  history. 

There  is  a  need  to  step  back  from  the  current  debate  over 
forest  health  and  reconsider  the  ultimate  goal  of  any  forest 
health  recovery  plan.   The  ultimate  goal  should  not  be  to 
expeditiously  salvage  log  the  maximum  amount  of  dead  wood  from 
the  national  forests.   Instead,  the  forest  health  issue  presents 
the  U.S.  Forest  Service  with  the  rare  opportunity  to  stop  talking 
so  much  about  ecosystem  management  and  finally  take  steps  toward 
implementation. 

The  question  is  not  forest  health  but  ecosystem  health. 
It's  true  that  the  forest  ecosystems  in  Idaho  are  under  stress. 
In  fact,  our  national  forests  are  unraveling.   But  only  in  a  few 
circumstances  can  that  stress  be  traced  back  to  the  culprits  the 
Forest  Service  would  like  the  public  to  believe  are  responsible: 
insects,  disease,  and  the  drought.   More  often  Idaho's  forest 
ecosystems  are  stressed  by  management  activities  implemented  by 
the  Forest  Service.   It  is  important  that  the  Forest  Service 
avoid  repeating  past  mistakes  of  assuming  it  knows  exactly  how  to 
restore  healthy  forests  and  rush  about  thinning  and  salvaging  - 
in  essence,  applying  a  single  management  scenario  over  vast 
landscapes.    Ecosystems  are  complex  and  varied.   Strategies  to 
mimic  ecosystem  processes  will  be  no  less  complex  and  no  less 
varied. 

Unfortunately,  H.R.  229,  the  "National  Forest  Health  Act," 
is  a  step  backwards  from  ecosystem  management.    It  encourages 
hastily  developed  strategies  which  will  likely  emphasize  a 
salvage  logging  and  thinning  "business  as  usual"  approach  to  the 
forest  health  issue.   The  Wilderness  Society  does  not  support 
this  legislation. 

H.R.  229  sets  up  a  scenario  where  the  Forest  Service  can 
declare  a  "forest  health  emergency"  to  provide  for  rapid  adoption 
and  implementation  of  a  forest  health  program.   What  this  really 
does  is  set  up  an  opportunity  for  the  Forest  Service  to  declare  a 
type  of  "martial  law"  on  the  national  forests  where 
administrative  appeals  and  parts  of  the  National  Environmental 
Policy  Act  can  be  suspended  to  expedite  salvage  logging. 

H.R.  229  cuts  corners  in  national  forest  management.   This 
is  not  the  time  to  rush  about  under  the  guise  of  emergency 
declarations  and  implement  hastily  developed  management  practices 
designed  to  "cut  the  forest  back  to  health."   Management  of  the 
national  forests  must  be  to  protect  biological  diversity  and 
sustain  functioning  ecosystems  across  broad  landscapes. 

This  requires  a  careful,  thoughtful  approach  to  national 
forest  management,  not  an  approach  developed  under  the  siege 
mentality  of  some  forest  health  emergency.   The  current  situation 
of  forest  health  developed  over  several  decades.    There  will  not 
be  any  easy  solutions.   Management  actions  must  be  developed 
under  the  existing  public  participation  process  and  environmental 
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are  not  trampled  underfoot  by  poorly  designed  and  hasty  attempts 
to  "fix"  the  national  forests. 

The  Wilderness  Society  specifically  objects  to  the  following 
provisions  of  H.R.  229: 

The  provisions  which  preclude  administrative  appeal  of 
the  emergency  declaration  and  the  forest  health  program  unless 
found  to  be  inconsistent  with  the  forest  plans.    Forest  plans 
are  broad,  programmatic  documents  which  give  land  managers 
enormous  discretion  to  approve  many  types  of  activities.   Given 
this,  it  is  extremely  unlikely  that  the  emergency  declaration  and 
the  health  program  would  be  found  to  be  inconsistent  with  the 
forest  plan.   Therefore,  there  will  be  no  real  option  to 
administratively  challenge  the  emergency  declaration  and  health 
programs. 

The  provision  directing  the  Forest  Service  to  by-pass 
sections  of  NEPA,  specifically  section  102(2).   This  section  is 
the  heart  of  an  objective  environmental  analysis,  requiring  among 
other  things  that  adverse  environmental  impacts  be  identified, 
alternative  actions  be  developed,  short-term  and  long-term 
affects  of  the  alternatives  be  disclosed,  and  irreversible  and 
irretrievable  commitments  of  resources  be  identified.   Insulating 
forest  health  programs  from  this  section  of  NEPA  cheats  the 
public  out  of  an  honest,  fair  disclosure  of  the  environmental 
impacts  of  these  programs. 

This  section  of  NEPA  also  requires  coordination  with  other 
management  agencies,  such  as  the  U.S.  Fish  and  Wildlife  Service 
and  the  National  Marine  Fisheries  Service,  as  well  as  the  Idaho 
Department  of  Fish  and  Game.   H.R.  229  cuts  out  these  management 
agencies  from  formal,  effective  participation  in  forest  health 
programs.   Given  the  fact  that  many  other  national  forest 
resources  are  affected  by  forest  health  management  actions,  the 
involvement  of  these  other  agencies  is  crucial  to  assure 
protection  of  these  other  resources. 

H.R.  229  would  exempt  enormous  portions  of  some  national 
forest  tin±)er  programs  from  this  section  of  NEPA.   In  1993  100% 
of  the  timber  cut  on  the  Boise  Forest  has  been  salvage  material. 
Over  half  the  timber  cut  on  the  Nez  Perce  Forest  has  been 
salvage,  over  60  percent  on  the  Idaho  Panhandle,  and  over  one- 
third  on  the  Clearwater.   Salvage  operations  of  this  magnitude 
must  be  done  under  a  full  NEPA  analysis. 

A  recent  Forest  Service  publication  supported  the  need  for 
adequate  NEPA  analyses  for  forest  health: 

"Forest  pest  suppression  activities  require  supporting 
environmental  analyses.   Conducting  NEPA  analvses  on  a 
planned  basis  avoids  the  higher  costs  incurred  when  these 
analyses  are  done  on  an  emergency  basis  and  would  allow  for 
rapid  responses  against  low-level  but  increasing  populations 
of  a  threatening  pest.   Preparation  of  program-level  or 


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broad-scale  NEPA  documents  also  facilitates  early 
communications  with  the  public."  (emphasis  added) . 

The  definition  of  a  "forest  health  emergency"  existing 
where  "forest  conditions  .  .  .  are  outside  the  natural  range  of 
variability  for  the  forest  site  involved."   Yet  for  most  areas 
there  exists  only  a  few  decades  worth  of  knowledge  of  what 
constitutes  the  natural  range  of  variability.   Our  national 
forests  evolved  over  several  centuries,  and  it  is  unlikely  that 
the  current  conditions  are  the  first  time  in  history  that  these 
forests  have  experienced  some  level  of  disease  and  insects. 
Trying  to  define  what  constitutes  a  natural  range  of  variability 
with  only  a  relatively  small  sample  of  years  is  dangerous  for  the 
integrity  of  the  ecosystem. 

H.R.  229  congressionly  defines  what  constitutes  an 
amendment  versus  a  revision  of  a  forest  plan.   This  is 
inappropriate.   The  on-the-ground  effect  and  the  extent  of  the 
emergency  declaration  and  the  health  program,  not  Congress, 
should  determine  whether  or  not  a  plan  revision  or  amendment  is 
required. 

-  H.R.  229  declares  that  only  an  environmental  assessment 
will  be  used  to  prepare  a  NEPA  analysis.  The  scope  of  the  action 
should  determine  whether  or  not  an  EA  or  EIS  is  prepared. 

H.R.  229  states  that   "current  programs  of  the  federal  land 
management  agencies  are  not  able  to  respond  rapidly  and  fully 
enough  to  meet  tt\e   greatly  increasing  forest  health 
emergencies  ..."     A  rapid  response  is  exactly  the  type  of 
response  which  must  be  avoided.   Such  a  response  encourages  a 
Chicken  Little  "sky  is  falling"  approach  to  forest  health.   By 
declaring  forest  health  emergencies,  suspending  sections  of  NEPA 
and  administrative  appeal  rights,  and  ordering  only  abbreviated 
environmental  assessments  be  prepared  as  opposed  to  environmental 
impact  statements  implies  that  everything  can  be  put  to  right  in 
short  order.   This  approach  perpetuates  the  timber  industry's 
view  that  we  can't  let  a  reasoned,  thoughtful  scientific  approach 
to  forest  health  restoration  get  in  the  way  of  salvaging  dead 
trees.   H.R.  229  is  designed  to  short-circuit  planning  and  do 
something  —  anything  —  immediately.   Hasty  actions  to  address 
forest  health  are  not  necessary,  and  in  the  long  run  will  be 
counter  productive. 

The  attitude  that  forest  health  starts  and  stops  with 
salvage  logging  and  more  logging  -  as  put  forward  through  a 
glitzy  media  campaign  here  in  Idaho  paid  for  by  the  timber 
industry  -  is  wrong.   Unfortunately,  H.R.  229  would  let  the 
Forest  Service  and  the  timber  industry  squeeze  yet  some  more  logs 
from  the  already  over-worked  and  over-stressed  national  forests. 

Idaho's  national  forests  are  unraveling,  but  not  because  of 
insects  and  disease.   The  forests  are  coming  apart  from  the 
cumulative  effect  of  past  management  actions.   These  actions  have 
done  more  to  destroy  the  integrity  of  the  forest  ecosystems  than 
any  so-called  forest  health  crisis.   For  example: 


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•  Idaho's  national  forests  already  have  a  road  system  over 
six  times  the  size  of  the  state  highway  system.   These  roads 
fragment  wildlife  habitat  and  annually  pour  tons  of  sediment  into 
mountain  streams. 

•  The  Idaho  Fish  and  Game  Department  recently  determined 
that  the  river  channel  of  the  Little  North  Fork  of  the  Clearwater 
River,  once  a  prized  blue  ribbon  cutthroat  trout  fishery,  is 
"completely  destabilized"  by  erosion  from  logging  and 
roadbuilding.   IDFG  now  questions  the  long-term  viability  of 
cutthroat  trout  populations  in  the  Little  North  Fork. 

•  Statewide,  the  IDFG  estimates  that  only  11  percent  of 
the  traditional  range  of  westslope  cutthroat  trout  is  currently 
occupied.  The  primary  cause  of  this  decline  is  degradation  of 
habitat. 

•  Forest  Service  status  reviews  indicate  that  the  bull 
trout  is  in  moderate  risk  of  extinction  in  the  St.  Joe  River 
drainage.   Dwindling  populations  have  led  to  petitioning  of  the 
bull  trout  for  endangered  species  status. 

•  Over  70  percent  of  the  streams  on  the  Clearwater 
National  Forest  fail  to  meet  even  marginal  standards  to  protect 
fish  populations.   One  stream  on  the  Clearwater  is  estimated  to 
have  as  much  as  97  00  tons  of  accumulated  sediment  per  mile  of 
channel . 

•  Chinook  salmon  populations  on  the  Clearwater  are  "on 
the  threshold  of  extinction"  according  to  the  Forest  Service. 

•  The  Forest  Service  recently  announced  that  it  would 
not  end  livestock  grazing  practices  that  harm  endangered 
populations  of  Chinook  salmon,  even  though  many  studies  have 
found  livestock  grazing  erodes  stream  banks,  raises  stream 
temperatures  and  dumps  sediment  into  spawning  and  rearing  gravel. 
The  Forest  Service  claims  in  doesn't  have  the  resources  it  takes 
to  properly  manage  its  grazing  programs. 

•  The  Targhee  National  Forest  once  boasted  a  45-day 
elk  hunting  season,  the  longest  on  a  national  forest  in  the  lower 
48  states.   Because  of  the  loss  of  security  cover  by  logging  and 
greater  hunting  pressure  due  to  increased  logging  road 
construction  the  current  season  is  now  limited  to  five  days  in 
order  to  maintain  any  kind  of  elk  population. 

•  The  Sand  Creek  elk  herd  used  to  have  a  six-week  fall 
migration  from  Yellowstone  Park  to  its  winter  range  south  of  the 
Centennial  Mountains.   Now,  due  to  lost  cover  and  security  from 
timber  harvesting  and  roadbuilding,  the  herd  races  through  the 
same  area  in  48  hours  or  less.   Monitoring  of  radio-collared  bull 
elk  showed  that  in  one  area  none  of  the  collared  bulls  survived 
the  migration. 

•  Two  grizzly  bear  recovery  areas  on  the  Targhee 
National  Forest  are  now  being  re-evaluated  to  see  if  they  can 


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still  support  grizzlies  at  all  because  of  the  extensive  loss  of 
habitat  within  the  units  from  logging  activities. 

In  summary,  H.R.  229  is  unnecessary.   There  is  no  need  for 
federal  legislation  to  authorize  the  Forest  Service  to  restore 
ecosystems  stressed  and  fragmented  by  man's  activities  or  by 
current  levels  of  disease  and  insect  infestations.   The  agency 
already  enjoys  more  than  enough  management  discretion  to 
undertake  forest  restoration  activities.   Rather,  what  is  needed 
is  for  the  Forest  Service  to  take  a  bold  step  towards  ecosystem 
management  by  developing  forest-wide  plans  which  recognize  the 
complicated  processes  that  make  up  forest  ecosystems  and  attempt 
to  mimic  those  processes  where  needed  to  restore  the  health  of 
the  overall  systems. 

Such  plans  would  include  forest-wide  prescribed  fire  plans 
to  reintroduce  fire  as  a  natural  component  of  Idaho's  forest 
ecosystems.   Rather  than  do  "spot  treatment"  prescribed  burns  as 
money  becomes  available,  each  forest  should  adopt  a  forest-wide 
fire  plan  which  allows  fire  to  resume  its  natural  role  to  the 
extent  possible  in  the  ecosystems. 

There  needs  to  be  additional  funding  for  the  Forest  Service 
to  develop  management  strategies  that  recognize  and  incorporate 
the  ecological  significance  of  insects  and  fire.   Not  considering 
these  factors  in  planning  attempts  will  result  in  incorrect 
assumptions  about  forest  health  and  in  the  eventual  use  of 
emergency  measures  that  are  usually  more  expensive  and  do  not 
provide  long-term  solutions.   Again,  this  component  of  forest 
ecosystem  management  can  be  achieved  through  the  existing 
planning  and  appropriation  and  budget  process.   There  is  no  need 
for  special  legislation  like  H.R.  229  to  make  it  happen.   All 
there  needs  to  be  the  will  for  the  Forest  Service  to  think  in 
terms  of  ecosystem  management,  not  just  in  terms  of  tree  health 
management. 

Thank  you  for  this  opportunity  to  testify. 


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Mnitei  ^roiIi<rl]oair  of  (^arpwtter*  ant  ^omexs  of  ^«tcrica 


INSTITUTKO    AUSUflT    tS,     ISSl 


CMMFTT.  IDAHO  (83617),  Auqust. — 20 ,  ,#_3_ 


STATEMENT  BY  LOU  FORURIA 

PRESIDENT,  WCIW  »2816  OF  THE  UNITED  BROTHERHOOD 
OF  CARPENTERS  AND  JOINERS  OF  AMERICA,  EMMETT,  IDAHO 
REGARDING  WILDERNESS  AND  FOREST  HEALTH  ,  CONCERNING  TIMBER  JOBS 
AND  HEALTH  OF  IDAHO  FOREST. 


GOOD  MORNING,  CHAIRMAN  ROSE , REPRESENTATIVES,  LaROCCO  AND  PETERSON. 


MY  NAME  IS  LOU  FORURIA  AND  I  AM  THE  PRESIDENT  OF  THE  UNITED  BROTHERHOOD 
OF  CARPENTERS  AND  JOINERS  OF  AMERICA  LOCAL  UNION  #2816  IN  EMMETT,  IDAHO. 
I  HAVE  BEEN  REPRESENTING  FOREST  PRODUCTS  WORKERS  FOR  SEVERAL  YEARS  AND 
HAVE  SEEN  OUR  FUTURE  THREATENED  BY  THE  FEDERAL  GOVERNMENT, S  MISMANAGEMENT 
OF  OUR  PUBLIC  FOREST  LANDS  IN  IDAHO.   IDAHO  RESIDENTS  ALSO  ARE  CONCERNED 
ABOUT  TIMBER  JOBS,  WILDERNESS,  FOREST  HEALTH  AND  SALVAGE  ISSUES. 


HEALTH  OF  THE  FOREST FOREST  HEALTH  DEFINES  THE  RELATIVE  CAPACITY  OF 

A  FOREST  TO  SUSTAIN  VALUES  WHILES  MAINTAINING  INTEGRITY  AS  AN  ECOSYSTEM. 

A  HEALTHY  FOREST  HAS  THE  VITALITY  TO  PERPETUALLY  PROVIDE  THE  AMENITIES 
OF  AESTHETICS,  CLEAN  AIR,  CLEAN  WATER,  WOOD  PRODUCTS,  WILDLIFE  AND 
FISHERIES  HABITAT. 

A  HEALTHY  FOREST  CONTINUES  TO  PROVIDE  FOR  HUMANKIND  TODAY  WITHOUT 
COMPROMISING  ITS  ABILITY  TO  DO  THE  SAME  FOR  FUTURE  GENERATIONS. 

TODAY,  I  WOULD.  LIKE  TO  FOCUS  ON  SALVAGE  ISSUES.    A  MAJORITY  OF  IDAHOANS 
BELIEVE  SALVAGING  DEAD  AND  DYING  TREES  IS  NEEDED  TO  ASSIST  IN  THE 
PREVENTION  OF  FOREST  FIRES  AND  TO  IMPROVE  FOREST  HEALTH.   OVERALL . IDAHOANS 
FEEL  BUILDING  TEMPORARY  ROADS  IN  ROADEESS  AREAS  FOR  SALVAGING  WOULD  BE 
ACCEPTABLE  AND  SUPPORT  SALVAGING  IN  ROADLESS  AREAS  IF  IT  CAN  BE  DONE  WITH 
OUT  BUILDING  ROADS. 

CURRENTLY,  IDAHO  FEDERAL  FORESTS,  SUCH  AS  THE  CUDDY  MOUNTAIN  AREA.  FACE  A 
SEA  OF  DEAD  AND  DYING  TIMBER  THAT  NEEDS  TO  BE  REMOVED  TO  PREVENT  FOREST 


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tNaTtTUTSB  Auouar   la,    laai 


CMMETT.  IDAHO  (B3C17), 


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FIRES  AND  TO  IMPROVE  FOREST  HEALTH. 

MANY  FOREST  IN  IDAHO  ARE  SO  DESPERATELY  DRY  THERE  EXISTS  A  REAL  AND 
DRAMATIC  THREAT  OF  CATASTROPHIC  FIRE  THAT  ENDANGERS  ANIMAI,  LIFE,  FOREST 
ECOSYSTEMS  AND  SURROUNDING  COMMUNITIES  WHERE  OUR  MEMBERS  AND  THERE  FAMILI 
LIVE. 

OUR  STATE  ALSO  FACES  A  SEVERE  FOREST  HEALTH  CRISIS,  IN  THE  HORIZON  SUN 
AREA,   TENS  OF  THOUSANDS  OF  FEET  OF  DOUGLAS  FIR  ARE  INFECTED  WITH  ROOT  RO' 
IN  COEUR  d,ALENE,  THE  FERNAL  RANGER  DISTRICT  HAS  THE  WORST  ROOT  ROT 
INFECTION  OF  ANY  FORESTED  AREA  IN  THE  COUNTRY.   SALVAGE  OPERATIONS  CAN 
HELP  STEM  THE  CRISIS, 

SALVAGE  SALES  ARE  INCREASINGLY  IMPORTANT  AS  TIMBER  SUPPLY  CONTINUES  TO 
DWINDLE  IN  THE  PACIFIC  NORTHWEST  AND  NORTHERN  CALIFORNIA  DUE  TO  RESTRICT 
TIONS  PLACED  ON  FEDERAL  TIMBER  SALES  TO  PROTECT  THE  NORTHERN  SPOTTED  OWL. 
SALVAGING  CAN  PROVIDE  SOME  TIMBER  FOR  PRODUCTION,  EASING  THE  TIMBER 
DROUGHT  AND  KEEPING  MILLS  OPEN  AND  PROTECTING  JOBS. 

IN  THE  IDAHO  PAYETTE  AND  BOISE  NATIONAL  FOREST,  WHERE  SPRUCE  AND  PINE 
TREES  HAVE  BEEN  DEVASTATED  BY  SEVERAL  SPECIES  OF  BEETLES,  AN  ESTIMATED  272 
MILLION  BOARD  FEET  OF  TIMBER  HAS  BEEN  KILLED.   THIS  IS  ENOUGH  TIMBER  TO 
KEEP  THREE  OR  FOUR  SAWMILLS  RUNNING  FOR  A  FULL  YEAR.   REGRETFULLY,  SOME 
SALVAGE  PLANS  ARE  UNDER  APPEAL  AND  NO  TIMBER  CAN  BE  RELEASED. 

I  BELIEVE,  LIKE  THE  MAJORITY  OF  IDAHOANS,  WE  MUST  FIND  A  REASONABLE 
BALANCE  TO  THE  WILDERNESS  ISSUE.   A  BALANCE  THAT  GUARANTEES  THE  HEALTH  OF 
OUR  FOREST  AND  THE  HEALTH  OF  OUR  ECONOMY,  ENABLING  IDAHO  RESIDENTS  TO 
CONTINUE  TO  PROVIDE  A  FUTURE  FOR  THEIR  FAMILIES  AND  COMMUNITIES. 


THANK  YOU. 


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IDAHO  STATE  AFL-CIO 


225  NORTH  161h  STREET 

BOISE.  IDAHO  83702 


PHONE  (2081  345-8582 

FAX  (208)  aae-a-io? 


OFFICERS: 

James  E.  Kerns 

President 

Edward  L.  Johnson 

Vice-President 
Randall  A.  Ambuehl 

Secretary/Treasurer 


-i.J?-i  "> 


August  18,  1993 


U.S.  House  of  Representatives 

Committee  on  Agriculture 

Subcommittee  on  Specialty  Crops  and  Natural  Resources 

Room  1301,  Longworth  House  Office  Building 

Washington,  D.C.  20515 


Dear  Chairman  Rose  and  Members  of  the  Subcommittee: 

Thank  you  for  requesting  the  comments  of  the  Idaho  State  AFL- 
CIO  regarding  the  overall  health  of  National  Forests  in  Idaho  and 
the  applicability  of  H.R.229,  the  "National  Forest  Health  Act"  to 
National  Forests  in  Idaho. 

In  regard  to  the  overall  health  of  National  Forests  in  Idaho. 
It  runs  the  spectrum  from  excellent  to  poor,  depending  on  the 
circumstances  of  the  individual  forests,  which  includes  the 
management  practices  of  the  various  Forest  Supervisors.  From  a 
non-management  practice  standpoint,  we  see  many  areas  with  varying 
degrees  of  dead  and  dying  trees  due  to  insect  and  disease 
infestation,  end  of  species  lifecycle  -  in  particular  Lodgepole 
Pine  as  a  first  growth  species  in  areas  which  have  suffered  a 
large  fire,  and  fire  killed  timber. 

The  Idaho  State  AFL-CIO  and  its  timber  industry  affiliates 
fully  supports  H.R.229,  the  "National  Forest  Health  Act"  and 
commends  Congressman  LaRocco  for  introducing  it. 


EXECUTIVE  BOARD  MEIUIBERS 


DUANE  ALLEN 

Stielley 


JAMIE  CUNDIFF 

Boise 


JOHN  CARLSON 
Pocaielio 


DENNIS  O'BRIEN 

Post  Falls 


BILL  SHROPSHIRE 

Twin  Falls 


RIAN  VANLEUVEN 

Lewislon 


CHUCK  VOGEL 

Nampa 


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H.R.229  Testimony  by  Idaho  State  AFL-CIO 
Page  2 


We  believe  that  while  some  dead  wood  needs  to  be  retained, 
dead  and  dying  trees  should  be  removed  for  resource  utilization 
rather  than  being  allowed  to  decay  and  become  useless  and,  in  the 
case  of  infestation,  to  spread  the  insect  or  disease  to  healthy 
trees.  More  attention  needs  to  be  given  to  salvage  and  restoration 
rather  than  allowing  the  stands  of  dead  timber  to  become  the  tinder 
box  of  forest  fires,  which  in  extreme  instances  will  actually 
sterilize  an  area,  preventing  any  regrowth. 

We  also  believe  that  the  Forest  Service  should  begin  an 
aggressive  reforestation  program,  investment  in  which  has  been 
sadly  neglected  in  recent  years.  We  believe  that  such 
reforestation  needs  to  be  done  within  one  year,  with  a  maximum 
limit  of  two  years,  rather  than  the  current  five  years,  in  order  to 
allow  the  seedlings  to  grow  before  a  shrub  canopy  develops  and  /  or 
the  soil  structure  decays,  both  of  which  can  inhibit  seedling 
growth. 

In  conclusion,  we  fully  support  the  enactment  of  H.R.229  as 
introduced  and  believe  that  it  is  a  step  in  the  right  direction  of 
sound  forest  management  for  sustainable  timber  yields  and  offers 
the  potential  of  reversing  a  decade  of  neglect  of  our  National 
Forests . 


Sincerely, 


Randall  Ambuehl 
President 


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August  20,  1993 
A.  D.  Partridge,  Ph.  D. 
re:  Congressional  hearing  on  H.  R.  229, 
The  National  Forest  Health  Act.,  Boise,  ID. 

Congressman  Larocco; 

We  read  The  National  Forest  Health  Act  (H.  R.  229)  that  you 
propose  and  share  your  concern  for  our  nation's  forest  health.  We 
are  professional  foresters  with  demonstrated  specific  expertise  and 
longstanding  interests  in  forest  health.  We  have  published  more 
than  60  articles  about  forest  health,  including  4  books.  Our 
comments  are  based  on  40  years  of  logging,  diagnostic  consulting. 
University-level  teaching,  research  and  observations  from  Maine  to 
California  including  30  years  of  detailed  studies  in  the  Inland 
Pacific  Northwest.  In  measuring  forest  health,  we  have  used  PhD- 
level  scientists  and  trained  aides  to  examine  more  than  700  areas 
and  destructively-sample  more  than  2500  randomly  located  trees, 
including  at  least  500  mature  to  overmature  trees.  The  sampling 
included  entire  stems,  crowns  and  root  systems  with  concurrent 
inventories  of  all  associated  plants,  fungi,  and  insects;  plus 
soils  measurements.  Much  of  this  was  in  cooperation  with  U.  S. 
Forest  Service  Personnel.  We  do  not  find  that  forest  health  is  in 
decline  and  our  data  corroborate  this. 

Here  are  some  examples: 

1.  Our  records  show  that  during  1963  &  1964  root  disease  in 
the  Inland  northwest  was  actively  killing  trees  at  a  rate  of 
approximately  110  per  1000  trees  per  year  of  all  ages  and  species. 
By  1970,  this  killing  declined  to  approximately  8  per  1000  and 
again  reached  a  high  of  almost  200  per  1000  in  1972.  Then,  after 
another  period  of  declining  loss,  mortality  reached  approximately 
90  per  1000  in  1980.  By  1992  almost  no  new  mortality  was  recorded 
(<3  per  1000).  This  is  "biological  periodicity"  and  occurs 
commonly  among  forest  insect  or  disease  occurrences.  It  is  usually 
ignored  in  Forest  Service  estimates  of  loss. 

2.  Our  records  show  that  the  killing  of  native  western  white  pine 
by  blister  rust  in  1963  was  approximately  650  per  1000  of  that 
species  per  year.  Now  natural  selection  has  reduced  that  rate  to 
approximately  130  per  1000  in  the  Inland  Northwest. 

3 .  Our  records  show  repeated  defoliation  by  spruce  budworm  in 
many  areas  now  reduced  to  insignificant  numbers.  The  Payette 
National  Forest  experienced  several  peaks  beginning  approximately 
25  years  ago,  but  currently  the  insect  causes  only  local  damage. 
Similarly  we  recorded  the  beginning  of  severe  defoliation 
throughout  northeastern  Oregon  beginning  in  1979.  This  year  (1993) 
Forest  Service  scientists  declared  this  outbreak  finished  and  we 
could  find  no  evidence  of  significant  damage. 

Besides  these  examples,  there  are  many  other  records  of 
"outbreaks"  by  mistletoes,  root  disease,  defoliators,  and  bark 
beetles  during  our  tenure  in  the  Northwest,  but  most  often  we  see 
tree  damage  and  mortality  in  some  years  only  to  return  in  following 
years  and  be  unable  to  complete  studies  because  of  the  lack  of 
suitable  symptomatic  subjects.    Our  measurements  and  current 


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observations  of  these  areas  indicate  that  on  most  sites,  problems 
develop,  peak  and  subside  without  interference.  In  addition, 
severe  cases  show  natural  conversion  to  resistant  species  has 
occurred  and  continues  to  occur.  Nature  is  far  better  at  healing 
than  we  are. 

Again,  some  corroborative  examples: 
1. During  the  early  1960s  the  U.S.  Forest  Service  liberally 
applied  actidione  and  phytoactin  to  white  pines  throughout  the 
Northwest  with  assurance  it  would  control  blister  rust.  The  result 
was  total  failure  to  control  disease  at  enormous  expense  with  no 
incurred  accountability. 

On  the  other  hand,  disease  resistant  white  pine  has  appeared 
by  natural  selection  on  our  forests.  Specifically,  these  trees  are 
genetically  adapted  by  natural  processes  to  resist  not  only  blister 
rust  but  local  root  diseases  and  insects  et  al . 

2.  During  the  1970s  lindane  was  sprayed  on  lodgepole  pine  logs 
and  stands  to  control  mountain  pine  beetle  infestations.  Another 
failure.  In  fact,  the  oil-based  insecticide  did  more  damage  to 
trees  than  did  the  insect.  And  this  was  followed  by  a  series  of 
silvicultural  procedures  of,  at  best,  questionable  value. 

On  the  other  hand,  stands  affected  by  mountain  pine  beetle, 
for  the  most  part,  have  some  residual  lodgepole  pine  but  often 
convert  to  the  understory  douglas  fir  or  true  firs  present  beneath 
the  killed  lodgepole  pine.   A  natural  serai  sequence. 

3.  Tussock  moth  populations  sprayed  with  insecticides 
declined  at  the  same  rates  as  unsprayed  populations  during  1970s 
build-ups . 

4.  Root  disease  plantations  converted  to  "resistant  species" 
by  planting  now  show  more  current  disease  than  those  with  natural 
reproduction  and  residual  unaffected  trees. 

The  list  is  almost  endless  but  the  point  is:  direct  attacks 
on  a  "forest  pest",  an  extremely  costly  procedure,  rarely  or  almost 
never  has  worked  to  control  long-term  damage  and  probably  never 
will.  These  are  not  ways  to  preserve  forest  health  and  often 
injure  forest  components  other  than  trees. 

It's  important  to  state  also  that  diseases  and  insects  are 
normal  parts  of  forest  ecosystems  and  some  are  directly  responsible 
for  successional  changes  in  plant  composition.  These  and  other 
living  agents  help  return  biomass  to  the  ecosystem.  Others  offer 
a  base  for  wildlife  feed  and  nesting.  Many  are  responsible  for 
soil  health,  the  basic  building  block  for  forest  health.  Diseases 
and  insects  are  not,  as  often  portrayed,  always  enemies  and  they 
are  not  causing  "ecological  collapse"  and  "large  brushfields"  as 
some  officials  have  declared.  The  problems  need  to  be  managed,  not 
controlled  and  they  need  to  be  recognized  as  important  ecosystem 
components  whose  demise  may  result  in  forest  decline.  We  refer  to 
them  as  "the  engines  that  drive  forest  succession." 

Some  more  verifying  examples: 

1.  When  spruce  budworm  "outbreaks"  occurred  in  the  Northwest 
the  first  action  was  to  spray.  The  spray,  indeed,  killed  budworms, 
and  along  with  the  budworms  many  parasites  including  other  insects 
and  viral  parasites,  and  it  killed  preying  bird  populations  or 


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reduced  their  numbers.  Thus,  the  system  was  tipped  off-balance 
and  budworm  numbers  built  rapidly  as  insects  can  do  without  preying 
birds,  large  populations  of  parasites  and  predatory  insects,  or 
other  natural  barriers.  The  result  was  massive  defoliation  of  a 
forest,  that  if  left  untouched  would  have  rectified  itself. 
Records  show  that  in  unsprayed  areas  the  insect  did  relatively 
little  damage  throughout  the  same  period. 

2.  Areas  of  douglas  fir,  grand  fir  and  larch  having  "laminate 
root  rot"  was  cut  and  "converted  to  ponderosa  pine".  The  openings, 
created  during  a  dry  year  changed  the  microflora  by  dehydration  and 
heating  of  the  soil  and  the  "shoestring-rot"  fungus  thrived  on  wood 
residuals  left  on  site.  Then  container-grown  seedlings  of 
ponderosa  pine  with  tightly  compacted  roots  were  planted.  The 
result  was  70  %  mortality  of  the  pine  within  6  years.  In  contrast, 
adjacent  areas  of  uncut  trees  lost  some  firs  but  resistant  white 
pines  and  some  larch  are  coming  in  naturally.  Conversion  to 
ponderosa  pine  after  removing  douglas  fir  and  grand  fir  is  a  common 
Forest  Service  recommendation  at  present.  Also  recommended  is  a 
50-foot  clearcut  around  each  "root  rot  center"  as  a  control.  This, 
first  tried  on  several  diseases  in  the  1960s,  is  ineffective  and 
can  increase  the  impacted  acreage  by  more  than  80%. 

This  bill,  as  written,  asks  us  to  believe  the  these  disease 
and  insect  occurrences  all  are  potential  emergencies  that  the 
Forest  Service  can  avert  with  proper  hasty  action.  This  means  a 
root  disease  center  that  was  ignored  as  killing  trees  on  the 
Panhandle  National  Forest  for  30  years  suddenly  becomes  a  dire 
threat  because  the  Forest  Service  says  so.  Also,  this  means  these 
agencies  suddenly  have  acquired  the  abilities  to  control  forest 
problems  that  history  shows  they  can  not  manage.  Nothing  in  the 
record  supports  faith  in  these  beliefs. 

Now,  as  to  why  the  agencies  have  not  been  able  to  manage 
disease  or  insect  problems.  This  goes  to  the  heart  of  your 
proposal  and  all  forest  health.  They  cant'  manage  because  of  a 
faulty  information  base  and  unsupervised,  incorrect  diagnostic 
procedures  coupled  with  no  accountability  for  misdiagnosis  or 
mismeasurement .  Presently,  the  information  used  to  define  and 
evaluate  disease,  insect  or  other  forest  problems  relies  heavily  on 
"inventory"  data.  Information  largely  gathered  by  seasonal 
personnel  with  minimal  training,  often  only  3  days.  And  it  doesn't 
stop  there.  If  the  inventory  form  doesn't  include  a  space  to 
record  a  problem  it  never  even  gets  noted.  We  found  3  important 
root-disease  systems  excluded  form  forms  for  the  Panhandle  National 
Forest.  The  present  focus  is  on  a  few  organisms  in  a  forest 
ecosystem;  those  deemed  spectacular,  or  dramatic,  not  necessarily 
the  most  common  or  most  damaging.  And  when  we  go  to  the  field  with 
Forest  Service  technicians,  silviculturists,  or  District  Rangers 
most  can  not  diagnose  even  the  major  basic  problems  correctly.  As 
severely  diseased  trees  are  predisposed  by  poor  or  unstable  soil, 
we  find  them  declared  to  be  primarily  "root  rot."  When  you  ignore 
major  problems  by  exclusion  in  inventory  forms  and  training  manuals 
and  you  have  inept  professionals,  you  can  not  assess  "forest 
health."  You  will  also  find  that  the  Forest  Service  has  erected  a 


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structure  that  permits  everything  to  be  done  in-house,  with  in- 
house  "experts"  and  in-house  publication  of  information  so  that 
ideas  or  publications  contrary  to  their  design  rarely  are 
considered  in  the  decision-making  process.  The  insufficiencies  are 
so  far-reaching  that  full  discussion  at  this  point  is  impossible, 
but  your  bill  to  be  effective  and  practical  must  provide  for  and 
require: 

a.  structured,  rigorous  pathological,  entomological  and 
ecological  training  and  testing  of  all  persons  involved  in 
diagnostics,  recommendations,  or  silvicultural  prescriptions.  This 
best  would  be  done  by  external  agents  not  controlled  by  or  allied 
with  the  federal  agencies. 

b.  revision  of  all  inventories  to  permit  recording  all 
pertinent  or  potentially  pertinent  data  -  not  just  what's 
obvious,  spectacular  or  popular  at  the  moment. 

c.  examinations  of  the  diagnostic  capabilities  of  and 
diagnoses  by  agency  personnel  to  be  done  by  highly  qualified 
persons  not  assigned  to  or  responsible  to  the  federal  agencies 
involved. 

d.  provision  for  timely,  immediate  appeals  to  the  declarations 
based  on  expert  evidence. 

e.  a  shift  in  commitment  by  the  agencies  to  quality 
diagnostics  and  quantifications  that  consider  long  time  frames 
instead  of  the  deliberately  impressive  but  often  erroneous 
quantities  of  numbers  currently  espoused. 

The  agencies,  particularly  the  Forest  Service,  have  shown  an 
inability  or  unwillingness  to  change  and  will  not  improve  without 
these  safeguards.  And,  without  these  safeguards,  your  bill  will 
cause  unending  challenges  and  litigation  regarding  declarations  of 
forest  health  emergencies.  As  now  written,  under  the  guise  of  this 
bill,  a  few  chewed  needles  or  a  pimple  on  a  District  Ranger's  nose 
could  be  construed  as  a  forest  health  emergency. 

Over  the  years,  after  reviewing  their  harvesting  plans  to 
improve  forest  health,  we  find  that  their  actions  have  resulted  in 
current  and  probably  future  deterioration  of  the  forests .  We  have 
witnessed  and  documented  gross  misdiagnosis  of  health  problems, 
notably  disease  and  insect  agents.  Furthermore,  placing  major 
emphasis  and  funds  on  managing  poor,  unproductive  sites  rather  than 
superior  sites  is  a  money-wasting  venture. 

More  important  than  any  other  omission  is  a  lack  of  statement 
about  anything  but  tree  problems,  while  if  indeed  these  is  a 
decline  in  forest  health  it  is  in  the  health  of  forest  soils.  I'm 
sure  the  health  of  animals  is  equally  important,  and  the  health  of 
forest  economies  and  more.  There  is  no  protection  for  increasingly 
valuable  mushroom  or  huckleberry  crops  or  other  valued  vegetation 
which  are  equally  susceptible  to  "forest  pests?"  Nor  is  there 
protection  for  water  quality,  another  major  and  vital  component  of 
healthy  forests  and  one  often  impacted  by  "silviculture."  Much  is 
missing  from  the  proposed  evaluation  of  forest  health.  These 
omissions,  or  superficial  coverage,  imply  a  severe  lack  of 
complete,  sound  data  for  making  decisions  to  improve  forest  health. 


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It  appears  the  intent  is  to  protect  only  forest  trees  and  products 
and  to  subvert  potential  appeals. 

Additionally  and  very  importantly  the  agency  currently  do  not 
consider  "forest  stand  recovery"  a  part  of  forest  system  dynamics. 
All  forest  systems  are  highly  resilient  and  tend  toward  stability 
if  left  undisturbed.  The  current  health  situation  is  not  a  crisis, 
but  is  a  normal  ecological  event.  Indeed,  there  has  been 
considerable  mortality,  but  concurrently  ecological  reinforcement 
has  been  replacing  the  dying  trees  with  genetically-superior, 
resistant  species  that  historically  populated  the  area.  Even 
blister  rust  damage  of  white  pine  is  being  reduced  by  natural 
selection  of  resistant  individuals  without  human  intervention.  We 
contend  that  abuses  committed  using  this  Act  will  disrupt  this 
normal  recovery. 

What  is  even  more  disturbing  to  us  is  the  likely  future  if 
emergencies  are  used  to  enter  the  "sick  areas.  Many  are  those  with 
fragile  ecosystems  particularly  soils  which  if  manipulated  by 
increased  "silvicultural"  activity  will  result  in  deterioration, 
not  improvement,  of  forest  health.  Repeated  entries,  made  to 
salvage  trees  in  "disease  centers,"  are  known  to  disturb  soil 
structure  and  soil  microflora  and  stress  residual  trees  which  will 
only  result  in  more  timber  harvesting,  rather  than  improved  health 
of  the  forest.  Furthermore,  contrary  to  popular  concepts, 
harvesting  dead  trees  does  not  usually  remove  pathogens  or 
destructive  insects.  There  are  exceptions  but,  in  general,  cutting 
and  especially  species  conversion  by  planting  are  not  answers  to 
pathogenesis.  Predators  of  insect  pests  need  these  trees  as 
refuges  and  breeding  places.  Dead  trees  harbor  large  numbers  of 
beneficial  organisms  and  decomposition  enriches  the  soil  and 
provides  nutrients  to  the  residual  stand.  As  the  Europeans  have 
discovered,  a  "manicured"  forest  is  a  detriment  to  overall  forest 
health. 

In  conclusion,  we  suggest  that  your  act  needs  considerably 
more  converse  input  from  sources  outside  the  federal  agencies  to 
assure  preservation  of  the  biological  integrity  and  diversity  of 
our  forests  which  are  the  keys  to  forest  health.  It  furthermore 
must  include  more  than  tree  health  if  it  is  to  be  a  true  progenitor 
of  current  and  future  forest  community  and  attendant  forest 
workers'  health.  And  it  must  be  implemented  with  accurate,  well- 
defined,  scientifically  sound  documentation  of  the  consequences. 
We  further  suggest  a  need  for  unbiased  studies  of  the  health  of  all 
forest  components  over  time  and  relation  to  one  another  with 
natural  recovery  and  resilience  considered  integral  to  forest 
health.  We  also  reiterate  a  strong  need  for  unbiased  external 
reviewers  from  concerned  industrial.  Forest  Service,  academic  and 
environmental  sectors .  Management  must  be  based  on  documenting 
both  deterioration  and  recovery,  mapping  the  locations  of 
biological  agents  involved  in  health  problems,  and  considering 
progression  during  time  in  untouched  and  manipulated  forests. 
Constraints  proposed  and  others  that  should  be  added  within  the 
Forest  Health  Act  must  be  strictly  enforced  by  qualified  external 
sources . 


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TREAZ,  Inc. 


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