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Frank Clifford Stevens, former 
executive secretary to President 
Emeritus of the University of 
California Robert Gordon Sproul, 
died at his Kensington home 
Saturday. He was 80. 

Mr. Stevens was also an assist- 
ant to Dr. Benjamin Ide Wheeler, 
president of the university early 
in this century; and Dr. David 
I P. Barrows and Dr. William W. 
Camble, other UC officials. 

He was a member of the Gold- 
en Bear Honor Society at UC. 
.1 A native of San Jose, Mr. 
I Stevens resided at 264 Amherst 
Ave. He is survived by his wife, 
Lena M. Stevens; daughter, 
Helen L. Nelson of Berkeley; 
grandchildren, Carol L. and 
Burns Srigley of San Jose; and 
great-grandchildren Melinda and 
Glen Srigley. 

Family serices were held at 
1 p.m. today at Ellis-Olson 
Mortuary, 727 San Pablo Ave., 
Albany, conducted by Dr. Mai- 
colm E. Haughey of the First 
Baptist Church of Berkeley. 

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Prank Stevens 




An Interview Conducted by 
Amelia Roberts Pry 


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Frank C. Stevens 
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All uses of this manuscript are covered hj an 
agreement between the Regents of the UniTersitj 
of California and Prank Stevens » dated December 
B, 1959* The manuscript is thereby made available 
for resesrch purposes* All literary righta in 

ci VI. the manuscript 9 including the right to publish, 

are reserved to the Genersl Library of ths 
University of Cslifomia at Berkeley. Vo part 
of the manuscript nay be quoted for publieation 

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Continuity provided by the same assistant for forty 
years it an asset few top-drawer executiTe offices in America 
can boast» Yet forty years, from 1905 to 19^5, measures the 
loyal service of Prank Clifford Stevens to the Univeraity of 
California and his very real devotion to its presidents! 
Benjamin Ide Wheeler, Bavid P. Barrows, William W. Campbell, 
•ad Rob«rt Gordon Sproul. This remarkable span of service 
and the perspective it provides made Mr* Stevens an obvious 
choice for a tape-recorded autobiography for the Regional 
Cultural History Project's series on the Centennial History 
of the University of California. 

Bom in Santa Clara County, California, in 188^, Prank 
Stevens was barely out of his boyhood when he walked into 
President Wheeler* s office to begin hia job aa stenographer 
for the president, a poaltion which in 1930 evolved into executive 
seeretary. The University around him evolved, tool Presidents 
took office and retired, facultiea somehow muddled through prob- 
leas like autonomy and the coat of living; adrainiatrative routiae 
waa ahattered thz^e time a—by an earthquake and two world warai 
and in aheer phyaioal terms the president* a offiee changed froB 
two rooma in old South Hall on a compact eampua to a three*atory 
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One gets the Impression that through academic storms » 
administrative upheavals and all, both Frank Stevens and the 
Intreofflce procedures seemed to maintain an astonishing degree 
of equilibrium. This happy state, If true, may possibly be 
caused by the very nature of a president's office— the vortex 
of 6 complex human community. It la • center through whleh "^9 
many faculty and staff activities are shunted and processed 
80 that at least those procedures which directly serve Its 
society must be perpetuated, especially amldat the Inseeurlty 
of critical times. The people who work within the routine In 
this vortex are acutely aware of thla need for self-perpetuation; 
it Is a aort of "show-must-go-on" attitude that tenda to mute the 
roar of the stonn outside. Viewing the community In its entirety, 
one aees that a subtle kind of protective insularity for the 
eentral admlnlatration la unavoidable and sioreover aeaas to in* 
^Mtoe when controversy outaide blows higher— unfot^unataly for 
the larger society perhaps. 

The world of Frsnk Stevens waa the vortex itaelf with its 
ecmplex web of detail and routine. On hia job deaeription eard 
of 19^1 Mr. Stevens sums up the vsst myrlada of unrelated taaka 
with, **I undertake to do thoae taska which, in ay opinion, ahould 
be done to assist the president and vlea-pra aidant and provoat— 
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regulations." This Included such diverse activities as 

writing reports for presentation at the regents' ineetings, 

preparing replies to letters for the president, making all 

arrangements for publie ceremonies such i|c ^onmeacement and 

Charter Daj^ running President Sp realms appointnient calendar 

which even with its system of priorities would m&Yev fit an 

eight-hour day« He kept the records of complete bibliographloal 

data for all the faculty members, he arranged all the mechaniet 

for each public lecture given on the cempuSf and always he stood 

ready to perform "specific requests to be carried out.** The 

latter could mean anything from trying to balance President ^ 

Barrow* s personal bank account to ferrying important papers 

across the Bay at odd hours of the night* 

To his superiors Kr« Stevens was a faithful johnnyon«the* 
d^et who oould always be depended—if not impoaed— uponi to his 
co-workers he was, and is, a good friend and droll jokeater; to 
both he was a gentle being whose way of looking at life exeluded 
office intrigue or the oapers of the status -seekers. Says a 
fellow-worker, "Above all* he la peraonable*" Thua, bb a aouroa 
of tranquility he b«o«iis a commodity more and more prtoioua as 
the office grew and grew* 

Theae tape-recorded oonveraationa were eondueted in Mr* 
Steven* a white stucco house in the BexHceley hills* A garden 
ahowing the immaculate results of Mr* Steven's efforts overlooks 
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ehair« chatted with the interviewar in a quiet voice* aeleetiag . 
aentencea slowlj ae though he were epprehtnaive leat ha aiclit 
hui»t aotaaooa in these raeordinga for poateritj* 

Mr* StevenSf who conte^porariea aay will never look »ore 
than middle -age (3 9 i& alim and atraight with no eonceaaion to 
age in hi a walk» talk* or general behavior* Although ha ob« -. 
vioualr pacea hia life to auit hiiOMlf acvy a viaitor fmtu the 
iiqpreasion that he could a^juat eeaily to outaide preaaurca Juat 
aa ha did ao long in the pre aidant* a office. 

Thia interview ia ens of a apecial aeriea being done by 
the Iteglonal Cultural Hiatory Project for the Centenniel Hiatery 
of the CTniTeraity of Calif ornie* Under the aeademie saperviaion 
of FMMseir Walton Bean of the ftepartM-nt of fiiatory and the 
•dttl^atrativ# aupcrvlaion of Mr. Marian Milcaeweki of the ' 

Oenerel Library* the Frojeet ie engoFied in tape recordini; and* 
preeerving e^tobiographiee of persona who have been inflaential 
in ahaping the hiatory of Oalifomia* 

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The First Commercial Prune Orehard in Santa Clara Valley* • 1 

The Early Cooperativea of the Santa Clara Area««*« ••• 13 

Jpia Education of Prank C* Stevena— Inaide and Outside 

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The Beginninga of a Career in the Buaineaa World 26 



Whee3er*a Office, 1905 to 1919 A 

Wheeler and the Students*... ••• •*.•• 1^ 

Wheele r> s '^Seore teries" $3 

Wheeler and hia Campua Prienda.. •••..•••••*.•••. •••••••*** 69 

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The Univeraitj During World Ware I and II***.************* 90 
The Office of the Preaident During the "Faeultj 

Revolution** s Deana Oaylej, Jonea^ and Stephens****. •••* 100 

The Earthquake of 1906 and the Pire of 1923 110 


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Beginning Their Terms: Barrows, Campbell, and Sproul... 113 

Running the Office of the President,,.., 122 

Compiling the Budget 1U3 

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Frank Stevens* Farewell Address to President Wheeler,.., 176 

Official Job Description of Frank Stevens I63 


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1905 Prank Stevens begins .job es a stenographer In President 

Wheelar' a orrioe, Novembar 1. Enrollment 3300. 

1906 Stevens becomes president's stenographer, April !• 

1907 Hearst Mining Bailding deaicafcec. ■'^* 
Frank Souls' s last yaar as dean of civil engineering* 

1909 University Parm School bejarun in Davis, 

"The Whipple Case" otvelops ays tern of student Judiciary 

1910 Boalt Hall finiahed. 

1912 Marine Biological Station of San Diego beccmaa Sorippa 

Institution or Biological Research of the Univeraity 
of California. 
X$^^ Agriculture Building dedicated at Berkeley* 

1913 Legislature creetes Citrus Experiment Station, Riversida. 
Prank Stevens becomes chief clerk, president's office. 
Hooper Foundation begun. ^^ 
Last game of rugby played. 

1916 Robert G. Sproul naioad assistant comptroller uod^r 

Ralph Me rritt, comptroller. *=^ ' • "■-' '^ " * *^ 

1917 Sather Campanile, Wheeler Fall, and Hilgard Kail built. 
World War I bringa military to oampua. w , 

1918 Regenta appoint Daana Gayley, Jopes, and Stephens to 

control the University. 
Gllnan Hall dedicated. 

1919 "Faculty Revolution"! a memorandum ia sent to regenta 

regarding promotions, appointments, rand dismissals, sod 
t^rela of faculty senate in general. 
Wheeler retires Julj- 1^, Hniversity run solely by the 

thraa deans until December. 
David Prescott Barrows becomes president, Deo«sber. 
Regents take over Normal School at Los Angelea. 

1920 Moat faculty demanda are adopted officially by rvgenta, 

June 2U. 
Univeraity runa in rad for firat tiaa| initiative for 

fl|.,000,000 faila. 
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funds at legislative oomnittee hearing, 
John C« Htrriam resigns as dean of faculty* 

1923 President Barrows returns to teaching, June 30. 

New president, William W. Campbell. Monroe £• Deutsch 
flamed as daan of Collage of Letters and Natural Science. 

1925 Two vice-presidents created 1 internal affairs (Walter M. 
Hart) and financial affairs (Robert Sproul), 

1927 Prank Stevens becomes secretary to the president • 

1928 EnrolliMnt 11,019. 
Bowles Hall built, 

1929 Robert G, Sproul named president, 

1930 Prank Stevens becomes executive secretary, president's of flee* 

1933 Graduate school begun at U, C, L, A, 

University appropriation cut by ^-3f 000, 000, 
Great financial crisis: salaries cut, positions left un* 

193^ Regulation Pive adopted by faculty senate to prevent ex- 
ploitation of classroom situation for propaganda purposes* 

1939 Appropriation of $16,6U8*15U atill not up to 1931 level, 

191^1 World War II begins; University again a military training 
ground . 
"Little Dies" Committee formed in legislsture by Teoney to 
investigate communiam in aehoola* 

19i|-3 Budget cut by #3,000,000; navy contract fills gap* 

Legislature creates School of Public Health at Berkeley m6 

College of Engineering at Los Angeles, 
Santa Barbara College becomes part of University* 
Sproul asked by faculty committee to delegate more authority, 

19^5 Stevens retires, November. Totsl enrollment 35»275* 
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Stavanat £liaahath« «j nothar* diad ia mj infanay. Nay* 1665* 
l«tar on my grandparents adoptad aa* Thay had a«Mi 
to California fron Chioa^ wbara my grandfathar waa 
in aona aort of raaz*eantlle boainaas* 
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Stevens: there the rest of their lives, 

Fryt And that's where you went to live with then? 

Stevens: Yes, that's where I was born, as a matter of fact* - 
Ity father— my real father— was there at the tlrae 
employed as a ranch hand, although I did not know 
then that he was ray father* He was a carpenter 
by trade. 

Pry: They kept this from you, 

Stevens: Yes, they kept It from me* 

Pry: Can you tell us what your grandfather raised on hla 

farm? * •* ; • 

Stevens: He raised grapes » prune s» apr loots » peaches and wheat* 

Pry: Did he have to Irrigate? 

Sterens: In those days— In the early days— no irrigation waa 

necaasary, but as the years went on, the watar became 
rather low due to many wella in the valley; it beoaaa 
^'j ' necessary to Irrigate* At that time there wae no 

machinery for ranch work* We had to have horses and 
cows* There were no highways i of course* A dirt 
road ran into San Jose and one day a week was aet 
aside to go into San Jose to do shopping for the 
next week* It would take all day to make the trip 
with a horse and buggy* 

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thoto foi^^^rooorloit flour ^ tug«r«>«iho didn't haro 
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Fryt Did you holp your grandfathor quito a lot? 

^Mitonai Hoy X naa too young* I ifont to aohool* 
Frys I*n intorootod in vhat aort of a llfo a boy lod book 

on tho f irat to— arolal ftniit ranoh* Tou didn*t havo 
mstf brothora or alatora, did y«oT 
Stovonas 9o« Wollt I had two brothors booauaa of «y adoption* 

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?ryt Vara thoy vary oloaa to yau la agar •' 

•tOTonaf Oh no* Ono of nvy brothorop tha oldoat ono* diad ^r 
vhan ha vaa aixty»fiTa* I think thara anat hava 
%aatt tan yaara diffaraaoo in our aga* Tha aa«t . a(« 
brothapt«lM9a naa about oight yoara diffaraaoa» % 
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Stevens: born, ify raother's oldest brother came first, and 
then my mother came next. Then this man I spoke 
of, the older brother, came next; then there vas 
another girl and then th«V<*^i^*r brother. So 
there were five altogether. And my mother and 
the older brother passed avay about the sane tlm»| 
they both died of tuberculosis. I think It vas 
what they called pulmonary tuberculosis. But " 
nobody else In the family ever contracted that * 

Try: Just those two, and at about the same tliaa* 

8t«Ten8S Yes, at about the same time. 

Pry J Did your two brothers stay around to carry on the 
' " ranch, or did they go some place else? 

Stevens: The older brother finally had a ranchj he purchased'^ 
a ranch of his own. The younger brother stayed on 
the old home place until my grandmother dled| then 
he and his wife moved to San Jose. The older brother 
came off his ranch back to the old hoiae ranch* Tbm 
ranch Itself, after my grandfather passed away, was 
subdivided Into four ranches and sold off^ mj older 
brother retaining twenty acres. It li still there* 

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Stevens: Yes, eighty-five acres, I had one portion of It 
which I sold later on because I was up here and 
I didn't want a ranch. But I dldn»t work much on 
the ranch except as a very young person. I went 
to school, and then I took ny first job with the 
Santa Clara County Fruit Exchange when I was only 

Ft*y! So you went right on Into the business world. But 
you were at the ranch In the summers and things 
like that? 

Stevens t Oh yes. I went to high school from the ranch. X^ 
rode ray bicycle every day back and forth— that was 
fourteen miles. 

Pry: Did you have any children your own age to play with? 

Stevens: Hot at home, no. But In the country like that other 
children used to come and spend the weekends. I had 
a cousin ytio lived In San Jose about my own age| 
he*d come out and spend the weekend^ or I*d go In 
and spend It with him. 

Fry: I was wondering about the sort of social life everyone 
led among the ranches. 

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brother « or ra%h«r unoXe having savaral* Va uaad to 
aall tha« partiaa in thoaa daya* And «ba twwmw 
and thalp tiivaa would oone fro« all around tha Tallay 
and hava quita an avaning* But tha aocial liTa 
4iin*t aotoiint ^ jiuah in thoaa dajra* KTarybodj 
«aa too bua^t having to gat up too aarly and go t%,^ 
worlc* lot of 

Trft What vmr^ tim ahurohaa in tha araa? 

Stavana: Wall^ thara waa only onOf and I think it ia at ill 
thara* That vaa tha Mathodiat Ohuroh in BrarfiT^an* 
It waa Just an old aahoolhouaa ooorartad into a 

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9ha plaoa haan*t groitn anyi it* a juat a littla 
aountry town* 7ou aan go thara and gat grooariaa 

?>^t if you liant to» and naat« But San Joaa ta so eloaa 
now Uiat you would ga thara only if you got atuok* 
Va wara down a aoupla of waaka ago to aaa aw grand* 
daughtar* Thay purohaaad a haaa out in a naw traet 
that haa Juat baan opanad up and whan Z waa young 
thaaa fruit oraharda and grain fialda would go for 
nilaa* And now thay ara alnott all gona« Hara'a f 
naw traot^ and thara *• a naw tract 9 and it I a all 

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dovn th«r« at all pretty soon* 

Fpjt Did you notice any aort of oTolution of eropa of one 

kind or another from year to yearT 

Stevenai Ho, they stuck pretty much to the old ataplea like 

apr loots f oeachesy and primes. Oaee ia a vhile ye«i*d 
find a farner vho %fould ^et an idea he vas going to 
make a lot of money— he* d plant valnuts« Aad ■sgfb««t 
he vould make a lot of noney for a year or two^ and 
then the next year the blight would hit the nalnute 
and he wouldn't have any* But it was just in his own 
heady you know* He had to do somethiopt different, 

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MMsmst Thatts right* 

Tryt In those days, before all of the ohemieal and botanical 

information that we have now^ were the farner s able to 
do quite a lot to ward off blight and f^uit rott 

Stevens! Xes« Hj grandfather had— I think we had a dosea ^ 
orange trees, and three le«on trees* That was soas* 
thing new to hin* He was flroing to try it out and see 
how it went. The leiaon trees were huge things « you 

8t^ know I they had leaona on them praotioally the year ^ 

around* But I remember one year something happened 


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don*t knov where he got his information, but mj 
father sent east end get sons ladybugs* They eaiee 
in little boxes* you know* He opened the box and 
let them fly in the orange trees* And the next 
year this blight, or whatever it was, was all gone* 

h6 WAS lorreatly interested in this fruit business! 
he loved to go out and pr^ine trees and get new ideas, 
you know* If he went to hire a man to do that he'd 
be bored to death* He wasn^t interested* Bnt that 
was his life I he enjoyed it* 

Fry I I imagine, then, that he found out a lot of these 
things and passed the information on to the other 

Stevens t Oh yes* '* 

Frys This was more or less passed on from mouth to mouth* 

Stevens { That's rig^t* 

Fryt Did your grandfather take many Journals, farm Journals? 

Stevens t Oh yes* All there were at that time* There weren't 
▼ery many, but he had them all* 

Fryt If he had lived, say, sixty years later, he would have 
been a very selentif io farmer, then* 

Stevens s Oh, he'd have been up at the top, I guess, beeause of 
his interest* 


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Fry: You taj that your grandfathtr aust have oonw 0T«r hera 

as a vary amall boy becauta ha didn't hava any Garnum 
aocant at all* 

Stavensj 7aa, that* a right* ^^^ 

Pry: What iiaa hla first Job? 

StaTanat Railroad conductor* 

Fryi Was mat In Chiaago? . ,^, nt al 

Stairanat Taa* X don*t knov vhat railroad It waa than**I timreT 
hoard that* 

Trys That was a pratty big Jump froa^a railroad jiMiMtoi* to 

a fruit farniar# 

Stavanit Yas* In thosa daya dantlata M^rm acarea* And ha uaad 
to ba on tha railroad and gat a bad toothaoha and 
oouldn*t go to a dantlat and hero It takaa oara of 9 ao 
to our a hlmaalf ha ehavad tobaoco* f% 

Fry J Did It vork? 

Stayanat It workad aomatlmaa^ but not altogathar* But aa L ^ 
ramaoibar ha naver ohawad tobacco and ha rMwr drank* 
Ha aaokad a cigar onoa In a vhlla^ in tha aTaniag* 
But othar than that ha had no bad hablta* 

Fryt Vaa ha aetlra In tha ahuroh? 

Stavanat Oh yaa* 

Kn^. I auppoaa tha laadar In tha ooomunlty was alao tha t«- 
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Fry I Mow did your grandfather and grandmother coma to 
Callfornlat ., X» i*t»e - 

StaTanat I think it waa by traia, 

Fryx Ohy thay oama out aftar tha trains reached the Weat« 

StaTenas And then mf grandfather went baek to tha World 'a Pair 
in Chieago in ld93» I think. Ha went alone | ^y grand* 
Mather atayed hoiae; aomabody had to atay on the raneh. 
And he vaa gone, oh» a matter of three weela^ I think* 
He had many relet iTea in Chieago. Tha children of - 
relatives were married and grew up in Chicago. Ha 
went back mainly to aee them. In faot^ aome of 
them at ill live there. My niece I apoke of a while 
ago— aha is going to take her little Mftom with hap 
to Alaska next month. She's retired now, eo aha can 
run around a little. ^ 

Pry I Where did your grandfather get the aoaay to buy hia 

Stevens I There I don't know. Land in thoae daya, of course^ 

didn't coat much; it was all bare land. It had navor 
been farmed. What fruit treee were there he planted 

Frji I aoo* 8o« ha was pretty eourageoua to go into a< 
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StaTentt Ho« I supposa In thosa daya. Ilka rnoat people, thay 
juat got an Idoa— '*Wall, lat'a try It*" . .n ^^ h 

^yt About the labor that ha uaad« do you raaa«bar uhat 

nationality hla farmhanda \i9T€^ 

Stavana: Wall, he dldn^t have any farohanda except duriair 

i-^j* hax*Taat time, beeauaa mj two older brothara ware tbara 

and thay did moat of the work—the thraa of tham. 
Then» I recall that during the harveat tiiaa nan \iaad 
to go around looking for joba* Thay waran*t trampa* 
but they vera just looking for work. One time we 
had a 23wede} one time we had an Auatrian; another time 
■ va had an Itallaa-"»*Maxlaanaf Spaniards » and what haro 

"■---'■ you. But that waa only during the harveat tlma* Of 

eourse there were foreigner a who lived out there and 
did nothing the year around but work for aomab#dj 
alaa* There waa one Italian that livad right acroaa 
the road from our place; he had a kind of a little hut 
ha and his wife lived in| he had two or three children* 
But ha often worked on the old ranch* Ha could alwaya 
go home for his maala and atay all night at home* All 
ha had to do was cross the road* Thay*d coma aapaelally 
d,urlAg the aeaaon whoa thay picked fruit* And whan 
thay cut tha fruit to dry, hla family mould coma* Hla 


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last for two or three weeks. 

f^i But you mentioned '*a Swede** and '*an Italian" and "an 

Austrian*** Do you mean that these ease singly and not 
in groups? ^ •^ ^ 

Btevenst Oh, j\ist singly* Juat happened that way* 

W9ft So thre wasn't an^ !«ass migration at harrest tiae frov 

south of the border or anything like that* 

StOTenat Oh, no, it wasn't big enough for that* Act'ially you 

needed only two or three men extra during harveat tioM* 
So, first cone, first served* 

Frys And most of them lived rl^rht there and made their liTiag 
by working for the farmers and ranehers* 

Stevens I That's right* And when a man eame like the Swei^e** ahi^ 
Austrian I speak of— they happened to wander by«»then 
they lived there all during the harvest tlms* The 
house that was originally thera we all lived in until 
the new houae was bulltf then the hired help lived in the 
old house* If they wanted to eook there they eoTild* Th«* 
house was there and had an old stove in It* So that's 
the way things went on* 

Fryt Do you remember what the wages were then? 

Stevens! Oh, two dollars a day was taps In those days* Of eourse 
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Pry: ^' That was plu« board and room then". ' This vas^drjrlng 

the harvest* 
Stevens: Yes* 

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Pry: Hon did your grandfather sell the produce froa his 

Stevens: Well, he'd sell it in several different nays* Very 
often someone would oome from a fruit establishment 

'*'^* about the time the fruit vas jpretting ripe and buy it 

right on the trees* Then they would arrange to harvest 
the crop and talce it away* Another year when the price 
liiglit not be so geod for that, the fruit was har^at^A 
on the raneh and proeessed on the raneh and sold then^ 
after It was dried* 

Fry: Oh, they dried it on the ranch* 

Stevens: t>ried it on the ranch* Well, it was ■neh easier to 

sell it on the treef didn't have any labor to go threuKh* 

Fryt I was wondering if your grandfather was involved in a 

Stevens: Well, there was the Santa Clara County Fruit txehange* 
By the way, he was Inatrniiintal in helping to eatabliah 
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amounted to onl7 a iilaee for the faxvere to brine their 

fruit and have It proeeseed and later Bold« 

they banded together to hire a manager to do the aelllne, 

That*e rlght« They had an eaat side, and thej had a 

weat aide. 

Thlfi la referring to the eaat aide of %^atT 

Of the ▼alley* l!lien» I thliik out of that grew thie 

ftanta Clara County Fruit Exehange nbleh took In the 

miele valley* 

A sueh larger orgett&satlon, i^-^^ 

Very nuoh larger* yea. 

Doea It exlat now? 

It' a out of exletenoe now. It burned doim eereral yeare 

ago* !l0t It la no loxiger there. 

Do you know whether this vaa one of the flret fruit 

exehanges or eooperatlTesT 

the last side Dryer waa one of the flret. i 

Fry I How old were you thent > liuK year was this? 
Stevens t Z used to go there after eehool« Juat ae a yeMBfater 

to play amoad* Z mat have beesdaWut thirteen or - 

fourteettt about 1899 or 1900. 
Iryi Did they dry the fruit too? 

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tiMI^«r was alto inttrumental in •Btablishlng what was 
known as tha Hona Union* that was a large groeary 
stora in San Joaa* That want on for a good naiij jraara 
ttid finally want out of Imsinass. The building is 
still there. ^"^ 

What sort of grooery atore waa it? 
It waa like aoy grocery store or nartcet that you hare 
now, only in those days you didn^t go in and help 
yourself. You had to go in and the alerts waited on 
you. I x^SDSBiber they didn't put sugar in bagsi they 
wrapped it in paper. Didn't hare any bags in thoae 

The name 9 Hoae Union, made ae think it had a different 
business organization. 

Where did your grandfather get the idea for the 
Saataide Drysrt 

He waa a great one to ait in the evettii^ ead think tS^mtt 
things* and I suppose he just got it out of his own head. 
H# thought it would be a good idea to bring all theae 
am together in oae group rather than baring aeaeotte— 
a peaking houae, we'll aay— eone out during hanreat 
tiae and aay, "I'll giTe you ao auah for your erop^ and 
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Twft Bid thia alao inoreaae the bargaining poirere of the 

faxnera when thej united like thiaT 

Btmmmt WeU* idien ik/99 Mtabliahed thia thing they were not 
d^arred. If a aan ease around and aaid, **1 want to 
buy your crop thia yean jou hare a good orop, I'll 
Sive you ao aueh^^ he waa at liberty to take it« He 
didn't hat# to go to the fiaataide Dryer. But, if h^ 
vaftted to ooae ixw-if he didn't want to sell outright, 
Wm^ h% would oome in and aay, **Vell, I'll 4otin 
you thia year*** 

Fryt Z aee« Onoe they agreed to join for that year they 

had to stay in for that year. Did the manager hare to 
go baek and forth between the proapeetire buyera and 
the fanaera to aak the famera if eaoh price waa all 
right, or waa the manager fr^^ to negotiate aa he aaw 

Stiffaitf I He waa free to negotiate, in faot, he woxild go to 

thia plant every day and thay would oone to hin* "I 
giot A itenoe to aell ny erop for ao nuilu* inA h9*6 
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Oh, I •••« So that It A faxvar did thixzk ha eould aeii 
a little bit better than the eooperetire would arrange 
it 9 he oould. 
Nobody stopped hiii« Ko, He waa m% liberly. After all* 

it wae hia fruit# " -" .* ..^^ -^-^ nxul ^ • - - 

Aa Ions aa the manager hadn't already eontraMM* 

Tea, that* a right* 

8e thej Just eheeked vith the manager before thej did 

that* And the famera themaelrea hired the aanagert 

Welly they had a board of di i e tt a n »» you might aay, 

and they elected my grandfather year after yeari he 

vaa doing a good job so nobody interfered* Finally 

he gare it up beeauae he got too old* Then it graduallly 

fMtered out* 

IAm your grandfather Head ef the Mai<e ef diieetft 

He vaa a member of the board ef directore and they 

elected him manager* That was the aame in the Heme 

Union* They eleoted him mamager one yeari he vouldn't 

take that* He aaid, ^'I'm no groeeryman* I ean*t run 

a grocery* ** But he, aa I aay» beixig the firat buaiaeaa 

maiw-you mi^^t aay, firat in the valley there aa fmr aa 

fruit is oonoeimedi»^e beeame very well knowa« 

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^^deas from Ma» slnee he waa there first. 
ThatU right* 

Now was the Hose Union also a oooperatiTet 
Yes. They had a board et direotoiw and eleeted a aaaaser* 
And the consixaers bought shares into the store? 
They could If they wanted to^ but Tery few did. Z 
thixik the original board of direetora went on and on, 
you know, till they got so old they had to drop out, 
and then they went out of business. 
They didnH hare regular elections? - * ifTtstt. 

Xour major businesses, in other words to sell your erops 
and to buy your groceries, did reTolre around eoopere tires 
That's right. Yes. Now one cooperatiTe store, you 
might call it, is still in existenee in San Jose and 
even started before this H«ae Union. And that ia kassm 
aa the Fanners* Union. That*s still going. 
It was really an early one, then. 

Oh yes, Tery* X reaeBber when Z waa a little ki4 that 
place waa there. 

Jfaa your grandfather in polities? 
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He van e typleal farmer. And this Eaet Side Dryer I^^ 
spoke of —he vas manager there for several years* He 
tfent there evi^ry day and ran that place* 
He nmst have been a very busy nan* Did he get isudi 
tiT» to spend vlth you? ^.•^y^^^ 

V0| as I recall**! don't mean to be dlsv#ap#otfal— he 
didn't have much time for me* After all» he %ia8 gast 
fifty end I was just a kid| he had raised his family* 
But X was treated all right* I have no kick coalng* 
And your grandmother was always thsre* I guess* 
Oh yes* Sm passed avay when she was only sixty*tvo* 
In those days people didn't live as long* 
baci Z renember out on ^e ranch we had a rather 
large house • It is still there, by the way* But it 
vas carpeted wall to wall; there were no vacuus 
cleaners; there were no washing Baohlnes| %nd when.^^ 
Hheat crop was harvested and the thrashing ■aehloe 
came 9 they had their own facilities for feeding the 
men* But when the— what we used to call headers— 
Msaioe to cut the wheat* they had one, two, three, four, 
five men* That was the arew« They had three wagons 
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•eae* You had to feed them. So that there was a lot 
of \*opk connected v 1th thla thing. ^^ ^ 

Fryt Did she have any help? 

Stevenet Vop she did It all hereelf, I remeober getting up at 

T: NTt four o*olook In the morning vhen these Mtn vere vorklag* 

Of oouree It didn't last long. In tuo or i2iree daya 
they vere gone* >fcnj';^3i»'ly - • * •- ^' 

Fry I l>id you help her, or the men? 

Steven as I helped her all I oould. Bxeept, of eourse, when I 
vas in achool. "^ * *'"^ ' "^ "^" - -^..^ 

Ve uaed to go to tovn**the old horse and bu/rgy* 
That was a day*s job« Nov you can go to San Jose and 
back from the old raneh In^^velly you can go in fifteen 

Fryt There must hare been a lot of changes In your llfetiae* 
You said that your grandnother died vhen she vas sixty* 
rry: three? • - •— r ree> • -• •• 

Sterena l Sixty-tvo • ^ 

?ryt Waa this before you vent to business college? 

Stevens s Oh yes # I had just started high school. I r#«eaber the 
day the principal oane In and aent as taadbl' Vhen I got 
hsM ny grandfather vas mad at hlmaelf for even letting 
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she W&8 going to die then* Sh* didn't last long. 
Grandfather went on to lire tint 11 he was ssTenty-two. 

Wvft Did he continue with the ranch up until his death? 

Stetrens: Oh yes* 

Tvjt He was a very active man* 

ft#TaiUit Oh 9 he was busy all the time* 

Fpyt Did you develop any partlotilarly strong interests or 

hobbles when you were on the ranch? Were y^u Interested 
In bugs and animals or anything like that? 

Stevens t Oh, only as a kid* I used to collect butterflies and 
put them on cardboard, you know* As I say, when I was 
seventeen I went on niy way* 


The Education of l^ank C« Stevens: 

Inside and Outside the Classroo« 

Pry I Did your grandfather read very much? 

Stevens: Oh yes* In fact, In those days In the loni^ winter 

evenings, you know, there was nothing else to do* So 
both he and ny ffrandaothar read a graat deal* 

Fvyi Did they have books, or fret them f ro« a library, or 

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Steveni: I reoMaber %ihen I vas a youngster thmj had voluflMS* 
You remember the old Munaey< a mafrazlne? 

Pryt Oh yes, 

Steyene: They had those for years. They were so proud of then, 
they had them all bound up, I don't know where they 
are now, but they kept them very religiously. 

Pry: Bid you like to read tbem too? 

Sterens: Oh yes. 

Pry J Which grarwaar school did you attend? 

Stevens t I graduated from the Evergreen Grammar School, That 

was about a tille up the road. Then I went to San Jose 
High School for two years. After I went there two 
years X began to think: What am I going to do with 
high school? I didn't like the place « and I wasn't 
Interested in Latin and algebra and all that stuff. 

Pry 8 That seemed pretty remote, 

Stevens: Tea, So I went to my Sngllsh teacher; she was a very 
fine person, I said, *'You know, X donH like this 
place, ^ She said, '*What do you mean?** I said, "I 
don't want to go to a tmlversity, I don't v«nt to b# 
a professor, and X don't want to do this and that," 
**Well,** she said, ^jou know there are a .Tood aany 
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want to <?o on, why fto on? Tf yon'd rather ro into 

business y then go aheA<l and do that,** 5k> that's how I 

got the business college Idea. 
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Pry I That was unusual for an Bnglish teacher to say, "All 

right, go ahead," ' 

Stevens t Shewas a very fine person though. I think she got on 
right away to the faet that '*thls kid isn't going to 
get very far herei he might as well do something else." 
About that time ffr. Benedict, who later worked in th# 
accounting office at the university, left and want 
back to the University of Worth Dakota. But he never 
nade anything of that, either. He had to go into 

Fryt He wanted to do that rather than study. 

Stevens: Yem. '" *^ ^ ' ^ '' ' ^- ^^«^- ^ • U 

Fry: And you were the sane way. 

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Stevensi I'd never hava made a inrofesa^r. I wasn't interested in 
that sort of thing* 

Fryi I was reading the other day how President ^iliealer told 

Ralph Karrltt when he first hired hla for a Moratary 
that if he stuek around he might get a raal adueationi 
that he had gone through fotir years of oolleire and now 
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joxx the college eduoat^-on that you to carefully trled^ 
to avoid? 

Stevenax Oh^ I think It gave rae niore than that. Because all the 
thinp:0 I did there were useful to begin w lth» and in the 
seeond place I vas interested in vhat I vas doing* 
Svery thing vas done for a purpose, and so I really got 
an education there, I think* ; t^..^ 

Prys And It had a real application* lou found that you did 

rub up against quite a n.unber of ideas that otherwise 
you wouldn't have gotten? ^ 

Stevens s Oh yfa«v But being in constant association u it h the 

type of men \tio vere in the president's office was an 
education in itself » you kAov* 

Try: Did you ever want to stop and follow up socas field 

that you perhaps be cane curious about when you v«ra in 
the president's office? Did 4ny particular professor 
or field begin to interest you? 

Stevens t No, 1 don't think so* I was interested in the people 
themselves* Wheeler, for Instance, was a very hunMA 
person* Barrows was an everyday sort of pereoiu 
Campbell was a scientist; he was in the clouds noat of 
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administrator. I don't knov whether I should put this 
on record or not* Sproul vas an administrator and Dr« 
Kerr is an educator* I think they both iiould agree on 

Frjt 8aoh president had his own primary qualities* 

Stevens t That*s ri^t* 

frjt And being around them (?ave you an edueationT 

Stevens S Well, it was all very interesting anyway* 

How, back to my high school* I decided I didn't 
want to go to a university so I went to the Pacifie 
Coast College in San Jose and took up shorthand, type« 
writing, anl accounting* 

Fryt What was it that made you decide to go to a business 

school instead of going into your grandfather's ft»uit 
ranch business? 

Stevens t Vell^ nobody ever said anything to ms about being a 

farmer* I never thought about it myself* But I would 
have made a very poor farmer anyway— I wasn't big 
enough, I guess* 

Fry I Too mu6h absolute phyitieal labor Involved in those days* 

Stevens s Yes, too much labor* 

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Fryt Is th»re still a Pacific Coast Business Collage? 

Stevens: Ho, that went out of existence* The nan who ran It 
dledi he was pretty old, I recall. 

Fryt Do you remember the name of the man idio ran rtt^''' 

StCTenss The man vho was at the head of It— his name was 7 

Chestnutwood, and the man who taught shorthand was 
Cox* He had a lady assistant, but I've forgotten 
her name* ^•^ ^ 

Vow In connection w Ith the Pacific Coast 
Business College, Np« Benedict, who later beea«e 
a university aceoimtant, went to the Pacific Coast 
Business College at the sane time I did* Re quit 
and went to work for the San Jose Chaoiber of Covnerce* 
Re worked there for a couple of years and then he 
dldn^t like that; he dldn*t want to stay there* So 
he wrote me a lobter* I was then In the office of 
pt»'esldent of the TTnlTcrslty of California* Re said 
If I heard of anything to let him know* So, oddly 
•notigh. In a few days Mr* Henderson, who was then 
secretary of the regents (they had no eoaptroller, 
but they did have an accountant), came to me and 
said, **Do you know of a young man we could get to 
help the accountant out? He can't do it alone any 
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urote f^« Benedict and he came up the next Sunday ^ I 
think* And he vent up to the TTnlTersity v ith me on 
Monday and vant to vork on Tuesday. He stayad there 
for forty-fire years. Finally he beeave a unlTeralty 

Pry: Tou vera friends from business school days* 

Stevens f Wi Juat passed anay* Re was up hare one day. 1*11 

tell you what he was doings he was fixing those windows. 
They were weather beaten* Be liked to play around 
with things like that* He sald^ "I* a going to Loa 
Angeles for two weeks to see my daughter* and aa aoon 
as I get back 1*11 finish that*" Vell» he never eans 
bask* His wife, by the way» la a Republican National 
Oommltteewcmec 8ha goea by the name of Narjorla 
H* t* Benedict* 

Vryt Was he active In politics tooT 

ilW^nsl Vo* He helped her a great deal, but he waa not actlva 

Fryt I see* How Ion? did you attend the Pacific Coaat 

Business College? 

Stevens: Well » While I was attending that school t^e WimgiiP of 
the—what was then known aa the Andarson*Barnrrover 
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and vanted a job later on* He said, '*How soon will 
you be through?" I said, "I don't know*** He sal4» 
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t mteut it*** 80 I vent down* And by that tine I bad 

had enov^h shorthand and typing and accounting to 
really go to work* So I worked there for about a 
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Fryt Uliat tine of yesr was thlst 

Stevens: I think this was In the winter of 1903* 

Fry} So it was in the middle of the sehool year* 

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Fry: What is the Ander son-Bar ngrover Manufacturing Con^iaflgr 

known as now? 

Stevens s Xt*s now known as the Food Machinery and Chenioal Conpany* 

Fryt And it's very large? ^j c'<» 

Stevens t Very large plants yes* 

Fryt In those days about how big was it? 

Stevens t Oh« It was on one of ttaft Miin streets in San Jose and 
the building was no largar than a good*sised garage* 
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Stevens: Yas« Tha BMUiagart the first aianagar of the old Anderson- 
Barngrover Company » vas a friend of mj grandfather's as 
was the manager of the Santa Clara County Fruit Exchange* 

Fry: Did your grandfather use much of his machinery? 

Stevens s Velly no* All of these aisn at that time were, of course, 
iatavasted in farming i this vaaager of the fruit ex- 
ehange had a raneh of his own* Mr* Anderson of the 
Anderson-Barngrover Manufacturing Company— he and Mr* 
Barngrover started by making simple maohinery for farms* 
And it grew from one thing to another and beoame finally 
greatly enlarged* 

When X took that first job I went back and forth 
from the ranch for a while* I rode my bicycle , but 
that got too monotonous* I had to be at vork at eight 
o'clock in the morning and worked to six, then* Then 

-^^, I had to go home* So I finally stayed with an aunt in 

San Jose* I sail her mf aunt* She was my grandmother's 
■later* She lived in San Jose* I stayed there for a 
while ai¥i they went on a vacation and I went into town 
and got aofsalf a room in a ruflu ^^s* ^oA l stayed 
there until X left San Joae* 

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said he van ted to see rm. They didn't have anybody 
in the off lee out there and wotild I coom out* Well* 
the two gentlenen got together and the Andereon- 
Barngrover man sald^ "Vell» If you want to go out there, 
all right, ** So I went, and I worked there for two 
yiMra. Then this Santa Clara County Fruit Rxehange 
went out of business and the manap^er told mm I eould 
take tlse off«»*as muoh as I needed«*to go and look 
for soaethlng else* So I went to San Franelsoo to 
the personnel auuiager of the R«aiagton Typewriter 
Company* She suggested that I coae back to lire in 
tWi Fr«n«iseo where she oould be in elose touoh with 
Frys Were you trying to get a job with Reminstwit 

SteTenst Ho, I knew they had an employaent bureau* 
Fryt It was a public bureau? 

Stevens s Yes, anybody oould go there and register* 
f^t ffhp and any employer oould oomo in and use your card* 

Sterenet That's right* Yes* So ehe suggested I ooiee and liire^ 
in San Franeisoo* X went baok to San Jose, and I 
think a day or two later I got a letter from a Mr* 
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Stevens: Han Franolieo looking for sosMone to talct a potitlon 
in the president*! office as a stenographer and the 
lady there had given him n(7 naine. So I eana to 
Berkeley the next day and vent to the president's 
off Ice • I vent to vork there on November 1, 1905« 

Fry I So it vas just a oMitter of tvo or three days after you 

had signed up that you found yourself in Berkeley in 
^^ the president's offiee. 

Stevens: Tes* that's right, 

Fryt What vaa your title? Stenographer? 

Stevens t Tes* Then as time vent on, vhen the presidents stenog- 
rapher » Mr« Hoedelf resigned to beoome treasurer of the 
Paoifio Telephone and Telegraph Company in San Franelseo^ 
I took his position as president's stenographer* 

Tryt And this vas Just a fev months after you earns ont"* 

vasn't it? 

Stevens t Yes* 

Trjt About April of the next year^ 1906, ''"' 

Stevens I Then after Hoedel left President Vheeler finally apoointed 
me as ehief elerk in the president's offlee» because of 

the necessity of bringing In more eflq;>loyee8« And, vhen 


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e«ipball. Whan Praaldant Canpball raaisai»4 and 
Dr« Sproul baoama praaldant, ha appointed na to aa 
axaoutlTa aaeratary* I bald that poaltlon all 
during 8proul*a adnlnlatratlon* Than X retired 
on November 1« 19U^f after forty years in the 

Trjt And that waa when you weiit to work for the*« ^^ 

Stevens t American Trust Company, yea. 

Fry I Where did you meet your wife? 

Stevens t She was In this dried fruit eatabllahment* She vaa 

a forelady orar the glrla who had to do fancy paakli^« 
I mat her there* Then we rented a houae down hare In 
the middle of Berkeley! It was a brand new houae no- 
body had ever lived In} we lived there for two yeara* 
Then we moved to another new houae that waa a little 
amaller and lived there about a year and than wa 
boisght a houae* We lived there two year a and sold 
that and bought a houae on Grove Street and wa lived 
there alxtaen year a | we eama up here to Kenalngtoa 
thirty-one ye are ago* 

Fryt And Kenalngton waa Just country then, you say* 

Stavenat Yes* There was nothing aoross the street* 

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it^T^nax Our daughter vai horn dovn on RoosoTelt Street* That's 
the second house we llTsd la* Sbm gradtmted froa 
Berkeley High School and she worked for a vhlle In an 
engraving offloe on Center Street that Is no%f out of 
business* Then she went to work In the tJhlTersity* 
She was in the cashier's office for five years and 
then Khe got married. Then after fifteen years her 
husband died, and now she's back again working in the 
Radiation Laboratory* - , 

Pry J So your family continues to revolve around tbm TJhlversity, 

Stevens t Yes* It took ne a lifetime* ...... 

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Frjri ¥• hAY« takma you up to th« tlm« im^n you b«san to 

vofic for Proflldont Wxoolor. Why don't you Just 
d«sorlbe lAiat jou taw nhon jou first vent into his 
offioo and viuit you thought about it. 

St«T«ast I rsasabsr tho first day at work. The momlas Z vMit 
to work I*d noTor b«on on ths oaapus before* This 
Mr* UalXett X spoke of said in the letter to eone to 
the president's offieot i^ioh was then in South Hall» 

ftfi Mr* HaXlett was a entd^uiting senior, wasn't he, wliea^ 

President WheeXer had fiottea to work for hliT 

BteTenst Yes* 3o X aaiaet and X waXked up fron Oxford street* 
ftmf was a footpath froa Oxford Street t# fleutli Hall* 
The only new buiXding on the eaapus then, and it was 
stiXX under oonetruotion, was California Hall whieh 
later beoame tte •dninistration buiXdiflig* 

Frys fhat was X905« 

BteTenst Yes* ahortXy after that the minins building was 

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Just startijDig theou The next Inilldlng to go up 
was the Library. They didn't have any bulldoiers 
in those days* They had horses and— I don't know 
what you call those things the horses used to pull— 
aayboWi they dug the dirt out and thf y worked tot 
veeks Just digic^ing out a plaee for a foundation* 
Then when the steel construction started It was 
very difficult to work In California Hall with 
those hansners going all day* those trip haTemers 
pounding rivets into the oeiling^i,. Iq ^v 

,Vheeler*s office was very snalli it was Just 
big enough to sit ln» really^ and novo around la«^^ 
Mr« Hallett*s off ice , next to it, was rather Isrge— 
about as large as this room, I think* That was 
because he had to neet all the people as thm^mmm^ 
In} if they wanted to see Vheeler that would all 
have to be pre-arranged • So it didn't matter how 
small the office was* 

Fryt He took you right in to see President Wheeler? 

Stevens t No, I didn't see Wheeler for sons tlise beeauae ha ha4 
his own stenographer at that time Who didn't leave 
the University until several nonths af ter I ^lant 
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Trjt When you first started, then, vhat was office 

procedure like? 

Stevens t Well, I don*t know who did the filing; nobody did 

▼ery much of it until I oaioe* But Nr* Hallett eafl» 
to me one day and asked lae to take over the filing, 
and that's the tine I suggested a filing unit— four 
drawer filing unit* They had nothing but cardboard.^ 
boxes up to that time* 

Fry! How taany did they have? 

Stevens s One cardboard box for every letter in the alphabet* 

So it was quite a job when you had to look up an old 

letter. You*d look through all those old cardboard 

boxes* Wheeler was very reluctant to get the filing 

case; he thou^t it was something new that probably 

wouldn't work, but he grew to like it» I renember 
he used to call me up at honei at that tiiM we had 

the numerical system* 

I remember very distinctly he ealled me up one 

Sunday morning at home and asked me if I could tell 

him where he would find a letter. He was looking for 

a letter from Captain Nance, who was then head of tha 

liilitary department* And I said, *Tes, if you go to 

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wad 1*11 go look and 1*11 come baek and report*" R« 
•«m« back and eald, **¥«&, I have It,** Ha thiuokad me 
and hung up the phone* The next day, Monday, when I 
went to the office he aald^ **How did you know that tha%*^ 
was In folder number sixty?** I said, **Well, when you 
do things like that day In and day out they beeoae 
embedded In your mind and you rcneBber*** Z was a walking 
Index • But he rather enjoyed that, I think. He renarked 
about It anyway • 

Fry I Wheeler oame just at a time when the stat» and the 

University were beginning to gMW wp mmitu / JhP JP^Mh 
changed from Just a aamll Intimate little college to a 
large sprawling university at the end of his career* 

SteTenst Yes, that*s lt« During the Wheeler atelnistratlon he 
was the UnlTerslty. Then he left and It grew and grew. 
In fact, before he left It got to be too much for him* 

Fryt Now, among some of your duties were those of arranging 
for the conmeneement exerclaeet 

SteTensi Yes* Ve didn't have any cosuilttee on public ceremonies 
until a long time after that* Bmt it wma fairly simple* 
President liimmler, on Charter Day, woxad Invite the 
Charter Day speaker and he would apeak* President 
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Stevens s And he*d perhaps confer an honorary degree or two, but 
not many in those days* Usually the Charter Day 
^iHker tllrays got one* But It was siraple. The 
aoad«iic proeeidLon— -the faculty was saall — they voiild 
just fall In line and march to the Greek Theatre^ that's 
all there vas to it* 

Fry I 80 your arrangements were not Tery complicated* 

jSteTenst No, not complicated at all like they are now* 

Fryt What about the protocol? Did you hare any trouble decidiag 
who would fit wheref v 

SteTenss No, cTerybody Just fell in line* Of course, the regents 
always came first; then the faculty woiild fall in line 
any old way* 

Frart Coiild you reconstruct maybe two or three different types 
of typical days in the office with Wheeler? 

Stevens I Well, he was very punctual; he always came to his office 
never later than nine o'clock in the morning* The first 
thing he would do in the morning would be to fo over his 
mail, sort it out to his own satisfaction; then he wo\tld 
put that aside and ask for his appointments if there wero 
any. If he had appoimtments, they usually went on until 
almost noon; then he would go to luneh, eome back to the 
office between one and two sometime; and thon he would 
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he had thlnea px^etty well wrapped up for the day* 

He would work in the oTening at hooe a good deal« 
I know I*d go to the president* a house quite often in 
the eyening when he'd aak me to cone. But he didn't 
hare the hardahips that the later preaidenta had. 
Campbell was a hard worker. I waa in the president' a 
house^ I think* more with Camphell than any other 
l^reaident. I waa subject to oall aeren days a week. 

Sproia was a hard worker; but i«hen he worked at hoae 
he did it all himself ezeept in an emergeney. But I didn't 

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was therei he might call me oTer as he waa leaving for 
the East or something of that kind* to go oTer itinerary 
or s<H&ething at the last moment* but oTen then I didn't 
have to do mush with it because he had hia own private 
^^ ^ And then we had one* two* three* four girl a in the 
offioe when I was there* and then the filing department. 
\Aiat Sproiil did at the president's house* or in fast in 
the offiee* was largely up to hia private aeoretary* Mias 
Robb. I waa sitting off in the eomer on my own. If he 
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93x9 had a oublele; she would distribute the mall to 
Soever It should go. Kiss Robb would take the president's 
and I'd go tap and pick mine oj^t^ and somebody else would 
pick here out« tqu klipw^ fgad that's t^ vay* !!■ not 
sure whetiier they do that new or not« But the mall got 
pretty heavy. 

Fryt But Wheeler always sorted his ew^ 

stevenat Yea« sorted his owni you had te gire hla everything. If 
he wanted somebody else to have it, that was up to him. 

Fryt Vas the mall very heavy then? 

Stevens I Kot very heavy » no* You*d get fifteen to twenty letters. 
iiow I don't know how many* 

Fryt And then he dictated most of his letters. 

Stevens f Xea, He dictated the answers* ^ 

Fryt Sid he do hie own oorrections? 

Stevens t Xes* 

Fryt Were they typed over? ,, ,_ * 

Stevens t If he had one or two little eorreetions te put la, he 
wouldn't ask that It be rewritten, but if there were 
%09 many, he'd want 1^ i^wrlt^eat 9%t9t:9 he left» I got 
to the point where when he*d dietate 1 otters , If he was 
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know* He wouldn't truat anybody, I caught bin with 
a misspellad word one daj-^I think it was Just oare* 
lassnass^ but he urually was neTev eapelesa* J[*Ta 
forgotten what the word was^ but I told him about it« 
He oould spot a misspelled word without reading any- 
thing, you know. (Lan^^ter) But this word I spotted^ 
and I told him about it. The next Chriataaa be gave 
«• a dictionary and he had a little card in it, **Merry 
Chrlstmaa with many thanks for your loyalty to th» 
dictionary." (Laiighter) 

Tryt Your speaking of Christmaa brings to mind another 

facet of office life. What about office parties in 

those daya? lief .. -.^^i you « ^vv , 3 yiz 

Stevens s They were unheard of « in those days. Vo parties. 
Fryt VHiat about Wheeler's birthday? 

Stevenst Well, somebody'd wish him a happy birthday ajod that's 

about all there was to it« Too muoh businaas at hand. 
Frys You told me that there wasn't a great deal of attention 

paid to the 'Jnlversity itself by the reirents. Did 

Wheeler have quite a lot of correspondence with the 

Stevens I They'd have their meetloga here ocoaalonally, as they 

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I reoiBmber one time he ifrote a full-page, aingle- 
•paoed letter to eaeh of the ti«ent7*four regents. 
7ou douldn't duplicate them* Each one had to be 
written Individually and signed by him. 
^^ ^ . X reneniber he gave me such a letter one night 
About quitting tine, and he wanted them to go out 
right away. He never asked me to do thisj but I 
stayed In the office and wrote those twenty*four 
letters I one at a tline» and I think I got through^ v,!^,. 
about eleven-thirty that night •v ^13. # anyway, 
the next morning they were on his desk. He signed 
them; he never said a word* He didn't say, 'Vhen 
J did you do this?" or anything, you know. He Juat 

took It for fltranted. 
1. Like that tine I went to the city with all 

».. this mall that I, IjjLdj^^ltten after five o'clock* 

He went over to Regent Char lee Stetson Wheeler* ■ 
residence on Washington Street* So Wheeler left 

,.«^....c . ^^ office and saldA "''ow, whfn you get thfse typedf 
you might bring tlxea orer to M?* Vheelor*a house* 
I'll be over there for dinner." I got through about 
T^f nine-thirty. I got on the train, then the boat, and 

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X told him who I was. *^e8 svHtXp yes suhy iie*ye 
been expecting you,** he said* So I went in and 
sat In a huge room. It had nothing but a grand 
piano and a portrait^ I could hear the dlshei " 
rattling in some other room and people clapolngt 
fo^i know* So I sat there for quite a while , and 
finally Wheeler came In. He sat down and signed all 
theee letters, and said, "Thank you very much. Good 
night, I«ll see you tomorrow morning." I say to thla 
day that he did that to see what my reaction voTild 
be. Well, I did my part, and he did his, and nothing 
more was ever said about It. 

Pry J You think he did It as a test. 

Btavens: Test, that's right, yes. 

Fryf When was this? 

Bterenst Oh. We were In California Hall at that time. It «uat 
have been somewhere around 1912. 

Fryt Do you remember the bond IssueT 

Btevenss I remember they had a bond issue, but I didn't knofw 
much about it because that was done almost entirely 
In the business office. 

Fryi What about office visitors? 

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|l7t Louderbaek wrote historical thizigs? 

Stevens t Yes, he kept dabbling around, aad you*d hare to spend 
a couple of hours for him* He'd say, **I want to find 
out about so-*and*so»** and then you*d have to start 
digging for it. 

rift Oh, UniYersity history. 

SteV4m8t Yes. Seismographio history of the area. He was ^i%# 

a fellow. If we didn't have it, you know, weM have to 

tell him idiere he might go to find out* But he got 

his material mostly in the files. He got ninety per- 
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I liked him. In spite of the faot he*d get to l>e a 

nuisance, I liked him. 
Fry I He was certainly an active force on the osttpus. Was he 

one of Wieeler's recruits? 
Stevens t Yes. He started in his early life here in the University i 

then he became a professor at the University of Hevada 

for a good many years, and then he was brought baek here* 
Fryt Oh, by Wheeler. How did Wheeler go about reemiting 

professors? Was this a one-man Job? 
Stevens t Primarily a one-man Job. Of course he was well-known 

all over the country, you know, and he'd hear about 

people in his own way, socially and otherwise. Itentually 

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Fry 2 Do you think many of them said *'yefi" because Vtlieeler 

was Bucb a great figure heret 
Steyene; Yee» he had a lot to do with lt» of course. He was a 

tiif enlnent educator and the UnlTerslty was sx^ving. 

And It's a nice place to live* 3o that's how he got 

thitt* * 

Frys It wasn't the salaries, because as I rea4, tiMf ««re m 

little on the low side. 
Steyenst Very low In those days. 
Faryi In the summer of 1916, I belleye It was, when they hadi 

t)M Exposition In San Francisco, vrhat did that do to the 

steyenst That was 1915* the Exposition In the city. That didn't 

affect the campus any. 
Fry I What I had in mind was that Wheeler might ha ye been abl« 

to (S0t some eminent men here, with the fair as an attraetion, 

%(ho were coming ax^way in connection with the fair* 
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of the tyntveretty of Callfoa^nle dev^^lorjed under ^Yeeldent 
iMieler* And aleot Ibellere you told ?ie that )^« 

*' !(»rrlit t(«« the Invent oir of the AStro eard. Do you 

]»en9mber way partleuler incidents about the deTeloo^ent 
ef the AJ5TW5 9ueiA Wheeler •» norklnj? wStb the ttudentt oa 

Stevenei Hell, I think after a com'^lttee of the studcnte iwt ulth 
Wheeler Ad^r^ral timet he adopted , finally , Wiat vaa 
kiic»i»n as ''attident eelf^^oirernnienbr** The student body 
■would vija Itself* Bvt he never interfersd v :%ti iuxy of 
the aetlTfties of the student body unless It vae neoesssry" 
mnm dlsefi?lfnsry ease. He vonld only render the final 
dee !fl ten tl^ they e^tdda^t do It thevselves* If tbsy 
got Into trouble they^d cone to hlw and he'd settle it«^ 
list he never interfered vnlesa It ^les necessary* 

Fryt Vas he warm towards the students? T>id he go out of hit 

way to make oontaet with the etudentsT 

Stevens: 3h yes* X think It was quite natural for hia to nalk 
OFSfiasd thi aaapos a«d raeognise students and eall thaa 
by thelp fi^at cmmss* Thare were aa fsv of tha« at 
ttmt tinM* Z ra w sMbs r at one Univeralty Meeting— he 
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■e, but always tell me your first nai»s«* And he did 
Tery well at that and he was the tame with the faculty. 
He'd meet them and he'd put everyb'^dy on the same 
has is I he made no discrimination between anybody, 

W9f9 ^^Tv democratic. 

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Fryt Did the students come to his office? 

Sterenst Oh ye»« Especially those students who had anything to 
fo with student a^overnmenit. They always eaittf td tilau 
He helped them vlth their nroblema, "^* 

Fry I He wa!5 his ovn dean of students, then, wasn't he? 

Stevens: Oh yew. Fe had no dean at that time, Deans ware un* 

Fryt On most campuses the student self-government has Its 

ups and downs In any ^Iven year, with different groups 
of students oropplnH out with their dlssatlsfaetions, I 
wondered If In Vheeler*s administration these complaints 
were always brought to V/hceler directly? 

Stevenst In most eases« yes* 

Fryt Do you reasisber any particular stories like that? Groups 
coming In with troubles? 

Stevens I Ifo^ that's kind of blank now, I couldn't recall any 
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Stevens: was the advisory coionlttee of deansx Otyley, Joaest 
- and Stephenai» Gay ley was dean of the faculty. Jones 
was dean of the graduate division. It vas called 
"division," then, and not ''school." And, Henry Morse 
Stephens was dean of the College of Letters and Science. 
That's hov the deanshlps got started. 

Pryt And Wheeler vas the one vho orlitlnated these deanshlpsT 

Stevens t That's right. 

Fry} Do you remember about \«hen this vas? 

Stevens s Oh, that must have been just before World War !• 

That's vhen things became so heavy and Wheeler vas about 

.>w.u *«**«. to retire so he created his ovn advisory committee of 

Fryt As a sort of triumvirate to bake some of the load off 
hlA. Kou, before that they had the dean of the lover 

Stevens: And upper division. 

Pryt And the graduate school deans. Do you remember any of 
^'^•^ the discussions over the dilemma or jurisdiction betveen 
these deans, vhloh more or less cut the University in 
horizontal strips; lover division, upper division, and 
graduate school | and the other deans, dean of the lav 
school, dean of the medical school? There vas a dupli* 
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Stereiui: Well« the dearui of the rarious schools Ilka lav aohool 
and medicine and dentistry, they vere nore aamdamia* 
The advisory coramlttea of deans » that was an administra- 
tive group* And all thay eould do vas peoomaaad to the 
president, ^^ 

Pry: Well, What about tha professional school deans and thalp 
relationship to tha dean of the loner division, upper 
division, and graduate school? This vras different from 
the advisory eommlttee* ■*• In tha era« t fn 

Stevens t There vas no conflict there. The daans of tha various 

schools alvays raoooHaadad o^ siig^aatad various itaiw to 
the president* He vould aot on then; if he fait that ha 
didn't want to do It alone he would take It up with tha 
advisory oomnilttee daans and ask thair opinion* 

Fry I This was late In his administration* 

Stevens: Tes* 

Fryt V/ell, back to Wheeler and the students* Whan Vheeler was 
at Cornell he was very close to the students there too« 
* and was Interested In the sports, and to forth. Was he 
Interested In sports here? 

Stevanai Oh, very muah* I recall him very vividly at footbmlX 
games* Re rode a black horse; that was his eTorelae* 
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bafora tha gaiia« And tba ttudants %fould all go wild 
whan ha appeared , you knov* They vara rary fond of hla« 
And than eventually he would get off hi a horse and 
•OBMbody would take It away and ha would go sit in tha 
stands himself. But I renamber that old blaok horse* 
Everybody was waiting for hia to Mppmur* (Laughter) 

Fryt The game oouldn't open without that# , . 

Stavanss Couldn't open without the blaek horsa« 

Fryt Did he have the Interest here In the erew that ha had in 

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Stevens s Oh yes* Of ooia*sey it didn't aaount to mueh in those 
days I it was too young* Crews here didn't aaount to 
muoh until Ky Ebrlght became eoach* Carrol Bbrlght— 
they sailed him Ky* His erews won three different— 
what would you call them— > international regattas* 

Fryt In speaking of football » I believe it was Vhaeler who was 

a big booster for rugby* 


Stevens! Yes* He was very much interested in rugbyi la faet ha 
wanted to go on with ru|?by and not go baek to Amerlaaa 
football. However ha said that was only his own idea* 
Ha saldf "I'm not interfering* If you dealda to go baak to 
American football » that's all right with ms*" But ha 
preferred rugby* He aald it was^ In his opinion 9 mora 

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But ha was always at a football gauM, even betwaen 
halves « and he would always go with the taam to the— 
oh, wherever they were^ they didnH have a gynmasltoi in 
those days«*out to the end of the football field and 
sit under a tree* And he*d go with them* I renairi^p " 
one year the TTnlversity of Washington came down and 
played a gaiae. The gams ended 71 or 72 to nothing la 
favor of Washin^on* California's team was very dejected* 

wyt Was this rugby? 

Stevens t Yes* He finally went out and sat with tSien under the 
tree and cheered then up, you know. Re told ^em not 
to feel too badly* 

In those dayst too, when he spoke in the Oreek 
Theatre or at any public gathering they had no loud 
speakers* Tou just had to take your ohanees on hssping 
him* But he always spoke very dlttinellyi you had a* 
trouble hearing him* 

Fryi California seems to specialise la presidanta with foreeful 


Stevens t Sproul, you know, even after he was president^ used to be 
a master of ceremonies at track mseta* He never had to 
use a megaphone* * 

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Stevens: Didn't have many fraternity problama In hla dayi th«y 
saeaad nail organised* He^ hl«aelff vat a iMober of 
the Alpha Delta Phi fraternity* But during all the 
tine I was tilth hla I oan*t recall of any problems eon* 
eernlng fraternities* I think the type of student 
dtirlng that tins seeaed to be more nature than they 
are now* 

Fry a What I vas really getting at was how Wheeler built up 

the systeai of supervision of the fraternities^ beeause 
at first he seemed to be apologising in response to a 
lot of public criticism that the fraternities vera too 
wild and creating a dlsturbanee* And the follovlng 
year he^ or somebody, soneboift get grade aTorages of 
fraternities published » and this made them start eom* 
petlng with each other for a higher grade aTerage« 

Stevens t Yes, that's right* 

Fry I Was this his Idea? -^^-•-. 

Stevens t That was his Idea, yes» 

F^t And did they begin to have a house mothsrt or aomethlng 

nice that for each fraternity, or do you TCMMfeeFt 

Stevens t I don*t remember that* 

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TTni^rslty at that tioa for atudanta* So It vaa all 

fk*atapnltlaa or boarding houaea* 
St%r9nBt or aotaraa noM It* a run largaly by tha daan af atudanta* 

Ra kaapa tha thui4> on tham if ttaay get out of hand* 
Frjf How did tha fratarnitlaa« aa a rula^ fael about 

Whaalar? Did thay aoaapt him, or did tbay look upon >f 

hl« aa aiMaoaa 1^0 had laid hta rulaa on thaa, but 

thay didn't vant tham? 
Staranat Ho, I think tha fratarnitlaa, aa wall a a all othar 

atudant organisational raapaotad htii»''- >♦--- -- » - 
Fryt Did ha go to a lot of naatlaga for atudant at 

StaTanat Taa, ha naa invitad a good daal by dlffarant fratarnltlaa 

for dlnnara and thinga af that kind* Thay likad hi«« Ka 

nada it a point to ba ona of tha«« 

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'through hia offiaa* ^mr^ thaaa aoatly aollaga aanlora^ 
ittio« ha ehoaaT 

Staranat Taa, thay vara moatly aenior atudaata abaat to graduata. 
With tha asceaptlon of Profaaaor Lynah« Of aauraa ha waa 
right at tha and of tha Whaalar adalnlatratloat ha vaa a 
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Fry: How did ht happen to boeoao ■•oretarj? 

Stevens: Veil, the Boalt Hall Ia\i School entrance was right 

across from California Hall* Wheeler knev that he %«ould 
be going out soon and the new president | whoerer be was* 
would probably be wanting his own secretary* He knew 
Professor Lynch very well» so he called him In and asked 
him If he would mind helping him out for the remainder of 
his t era* So he oazne over and did that and eontlnusd 
with his law teaching just the same« Oh, he ml^t have 
cut out a class or two* 

Frys He was pinch hitting* Vell« some of the lists of his 

secretaries read like a roster of Why^s Vho In California* 
Ve*d like to know more about them* Ralph Herrltt was In 
his office when you were* Could you describe hU|t 

Stevens: Ralph Merrltt was a large man* I Imaglns he snst bsnra 
been close to six feet and rather stocky* Vhen he left 
Vheeler*s office he became a *•* I don*t know what his 
title was 9 but he was connected for a long time with the 
Miller and Lux ranch* He went from there to the California 
Raisin Orowers In Fresno* And now he*s still active In 
^utherja California^ but 1 don't know what firm he* • . 
connected with* I Just heard that a few weeks ago* Oh 
yeSf the manager of the Ameriean Trust Company who knew 
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He and his wife were coming up to the game, the Big 

So I haren't seen hla for jears* He wanted ae to 
go with him when he went to Miller and Uxxp and I went 
to President Wheeler and told hl« about lt« *^ell,*^ 
.he saldf "you could go If you llke« but I don*t think 
you would like that cattle ranch* I don*t think you*d 
be very happy there* ^ So I dldn*t go* 

Thent another time when I was going— It was before 
that— Paul Belnsch. who was then minister to China, 
came to see Wheeler* He was looking for a young man 

to be connected with the AmerloaaJhtessy in Peklag* 
;. Wheeler oalled me in and asked ms If I eould reeall 
,any young men who were about to graduate that might be 
suitable for this position. And I said, "Yes« There's 
a young man who ts going to graduatei he*s been working 
In our office here In his spare tlme« I think he*d 
^llke to go to China* ** '^Well, get him in and make an 
appointment for him to see Mr* Relnsoh*" So Z 4id« - 
Re went orer to San Francisco and met Kr« Relnseh, and 
in a few weeks he went to China and spent two years in 
the ilnM*lean Embassy. ^^ . . 

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host sfter he serred his tisse thsre^ he telegraphed 
Me fron Ken York one 6bj end ssld he wes working for 
the V, H« Orsee GoR^eny» but he didn't like lew Yeskp 
mak6 if I heerd of anything out here to let hi» know. 

About that time one of the offieiels of the 8a«a« 
ritj Pi rat national Bank of Los Angelea* who had been 
a professor of polltieal seienee here« his none was 
Roy Pouglaa^ eame to see as one dsy* Be ssid, "Ve'ra 
looking for a nan to oone in the bank^ a nnlTaraitj 
graduate preferably** So I ssid^ "Vellf X joat had 
a telegrem from Lineoln in Mew York*** la knew Linaoln* 
"And he aaid If I heard of anything to let his know,'* 
"WelXf" he aaidf "you telegreph hin and tell him to 
eome to see me ae aoon aa he gets to Oalifomla** X 
did* Lineoln eame to aee sw on a Sunday aftaniooiii ha 
ia ft Sunday night on the trein for Loa Angelea and went 
to work Tueadey morning in Loa Angelaa* Be waa in tha 
bank I don't know how many yeara* bat ha retired laat 
year* Re waa paraonnel manager far the bank with ita 
ssTenty-fiTe branohea in the Southam Oelifonia 
diatrlet* So that* a the way ha warlMd hia way alengt 

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3teTenat Wall^ the aeeretary and nyaeltp and then whan hia aten- 
ographer left I took hia plaae and we got a young ladj 
in aa stenographer and went on that way for aeveral 
yeara* She took my place* reallyt and I want op* I 
was atenographer to Wheeler. 

Prys And ahe was atenographer for the offiaef 

Stevens s For the offloe* And when %re mored into Celifomia Ball 
it began td gZHaw. Wa had to get new atenogrsphsra 
ocoaaionally* I don't know how many yeara I vaa atan* 
ographer; the pre aidant* a atenographer waa my title • 
And later on» aa thi dffioa grew* he made «a ehief alark* 

Fryt Vell» how did he uae theae graduating aeniora that ha 

hired frequentlyt each aa Ralph Merritt? How did thay 
fit Int 

Stevenas Vell» evidently they ware aaereteriea* 

Fryt They were like offiae manage re » did yoa aayT 

Stevenas Yea* You might oall than that* But all the tiisa I waa 
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8t«¥«nflt That* 8 right* 

Pryt Vheeler» I suppota^ by hiring the bright young ntn of 

the senior class 9 did not do so with the Idas of thalr 

making a career In hla office* 

Stevens: Ko» I think he told each one, ''You're juat graduating 

now, and maybe you don't know what you want to do* 

Maybe whatever you want to do you can't^^lt won*t fit 

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Pryt He was giving them a aprlng board. In other worda* 

Stevena: That* a right* I know one time when he went out aa 

prealdent» I was going to be the only one left of hla 
admlnlatratlon outside of the atenographera and offlaa 
help* So I aaked him, I aald, **Vhat do you think I 
ahould do?" "Well," he aald, "I don't know." Ha aald, 
"I really think you ahould atay right pn* You are ., . 
valuable to the office and whoever aomaa In after I 
retire you'll be of h«lp to. So I would atay right 
on*" Well, It turned out that way. I did* 
Pryt I imagine you had many questions aaked you, tfeMat that 

flrat term after Wheeler left* 
Stevena t Oh yea* Pre aidant ?arrowa cssia In and ha made aa 
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dteTene: Yes« X knev him very v|illt^nii< Jas| rvlic^d April 1« 
1959» I think it vae« 

Fry: Wee he e graduating senior too when he etMe int «t 

Stevens I Yee« He wee e gredueting senior end then both he 
end Certwright beoeiae inetruetors in English* 

Fryi While they were working in Wheeler's offiee? 

SteTenas Yes« Then when Barrows went oat» President Cempbell 

^8 elected* Certwright hed been aeoretery to Barrowa^ 
and he didn't went to etey with Gempbell, or et leeat 
he wean't sure thet Cempbell weuld went him to stey. 
So he beceme meneger of the UniTersity Pveaa* He wee 
there for severel y«ers» And then he left to beeoaf 
exeoutive seeretery to the Cemegie Corporetion* John 
Campbell Merrlara^ who wsa then deen of the feeultiee, 

'*^-" wee inatramentel in getting hin the Cemegie poaition* 

Nerriemt et thet tlme« wee heed of the Cemegie Inati- 
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telked with Kerrlvu When 4ii,4^ft the UniTeraity he 
wented to be eonneeted with aosie large institution. 
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Trjt Gould jou deaerlbe tha parsonalitj of Ralph KarrittT 

Stavenas Chy he got along well with people* 

Frjt What did he do when he first eaaia into the offioeT 

3teireiiat He was prealdent of tha ASUC befoi^ he eaaie into the 
office, aiid as T'eij, ht ih^ented the ABTJC aard. 

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hiring these yo'uig men was their seizing as a eon* 
ttecting link between himself and the atudent body? -^''S* 

Stevens: Tes. He always choae men who had already proved that 
they were sotive in student affairs. I think very 
often he leaned on them for edviee regarding atudent 
•etivities. Re*d listen to theret if he didn't agree 
with them he*d tell them and then do something elae* 

Pryt So these were ell atudent leadara* 

Btava&ai That's right, "^ ^'" '" * W« 

Fryi What about Parnhem Griffitha? 

Stevenas Well, Parnhem Oriffitha was s grs dusting senior and 

— — .^ after earring e couple of ytera in tha i^reaidant'a 
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ninner now* There la a Calif omit committee , and at 
that time Vheeler was chairman of this coTnrnittea. Mow 
X don't know whether he brou^t up Griffiths* naiiis» or 
who brought It up» Anyhow, he we a studying law at tbs 
time* Vheeler was very fond of him %nd he waa Tsry 
intelligent* And I think before Wheeler brought the 
subject up he aaked Griffiths If he would cara to ba 
a Rhodaa achclar* I just imsgine these thiufrs* Naturally 
he said he would, so ha was elected st the next meeting* 
Re went to Oxford, end then became aecretary whan he 
eame back from Oxford* He only stayed a short tlmSf 
and then he went over to this law fixn in San Pranelsae 
and he remained there until his death laat year* 

Fry} And was recalled to the aervice of the UnlYeraity whaa 

he became a re^nt* 

Stevenas That's right* Then they aakad hln to be dean of the 
achool of law* 

Fry I Mow, you mentioned a Mr* Koran* 

Stevens! X9»$ ha was the firat aacretery Praaldent Whaelar had 
whan he came to California* I naver knew hlB| I mat 
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University* But at this famoua dinner I told you about 
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speech et thet dinner. 

Prys Oood« Perheps we can Include a oopj In the boond 
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Tn 1 was wondering if Newton Drurj wee able to do 
anything et all when he was working for Pre aidant 
Wheeler that would have application later on in his 

eu _ experience with the National Park Service. 

Stevena: Ho, Not at the time he worked for Wheeler. Then 

when he left, he end his brother Aubrey T>rury eatab« 
lished what is known se the Drury Advertising Ageneyi 
Z think it still exists in den Prsneisco. The two 
brothers ran that buainesa until Newton Drury wee 
ippointed superintendent of nstionsl psrks. But hs 
still retsined his interest in the business. And then 
when the adminiatration changed he went oat of the 

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Fry) How did he get into the conserve tion picture? 
Stevenss That wss through John Csmpbell Merrien who wee, at 

that time, h9i|4. p/*^ Hbat V^i known ea "Save the Redwoods 

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Humboldt county. And Merriem knew T>rury. He waa inatru« 
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eampalgn was Drury In the advertising agencyt 

Steyena: Oh yes. He was working for Merrlam at that time. And 
then later on he became director of the national parka* 
In other words, I think he made his reputation In the 
beginning right here In the state* 

Fry! And then he retume<? to the state* 

Stevens t That's right* 

Pryi Could you tell us what sort of a person Newton T>rury waa 

to work with? 

Stevenai Newton Prury waa a very smell roan* Ha got along with 
people and was well liked by the students* 

Frys T>ld he mind doing the more or less menial taaka of the 

prealdent's office? 

Stevens t Oh, no. Being an Instructor In the English departnant* 
I think he rather enjoyed woziclng In tha prealdant*a 
office becauae he*^ have to oompoae ao many of tha 
thlnga that were written hlmaelf * I know Wheeler very 
often aaked him— -In fact, all hla secret aria a—** I have 
to prepare an article; X have to prenare a apeech,** (to 
be given on a certain day)* **I*m going to talk on the 
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would work it over# I Imagine that's the way Klaenhowar 
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Pryt Probably, He did the actual polishing up of his speeches 

hlmaelfy but you and these others had to gather the 
material. Is that right? 

Stevens: Vfell, the secretaries gathered the materlal« and then 
they'd bring It out to me, or dictate whatever thty 
wanted to aay* And I*d put It In typewritten f onn, and 
then they would give It to VJheeler* Kany of theae 
speeches 9 though, he wrote himself In long hand* He 
wouldn^t dictate thoae* 

„^ I remember one speech he made when the city hall la 

Berkeley waa completed* They dedloeted it one day and 
he was the speaker* He dictated thst speech to me; it 
waan*t yrj long* It took him about fifteen to twenty 
minutes* But I recall that he walked down from California 
Hall to the Berkeley city hall. And I lon^t know how 
much time had elapaed when he left the offlee, bat I^ 

loQked on hla deak am^ he hadn't taken hit apoeoh with 
^hia« He always took them with him even kf M'^idh^t 

uae themi they were put in a looae-leaf fcldar, to the 
.page a oould be turned eaally* to I picked thia apeeoh 

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Xeughed end he eeid, **It*t e good thing you eeught up 
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''^' heve said," (Laughter) * 

Fryi So he didn't really read his speeoheSf but he liked to 

have his notes in front of hi« to refer to* '^ 

Stevens: He liked to have thein» yes* ° 

Fryi Tou mentioned that the secretaries had to do aonte of 

the reaearoh and so forth, for Wheeler* a apeeches* 
What about research for making decisions? r*id he use 
Stevens! Ho^ he had it in his own heed, most of It. 
Pry« His decisions were in6stly the edgltetlve variety, then* 

Stevens t That's right, yes* Very often he woul^^ have, especially 
on a Sunday evening—I know Henry Morse Stephens wss 
slwsys s house guest on Sundey evenings | he was slwaya 
there with Wheeler* John Cempbell Merriaii, Ister ont 
filled in that gsp* And he hsd sll these verious 
sohemssi they were often in the president's house* If 
he had any problems end he couldn't make up his own 
^ mind, I'm sure that wes whers they were thraahed out* 

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Stavenat Very frank, yaa* 

yry: I can aee how aonia frankness might not ba in tha beat 

interests somatimaa, when it coaea to a praaidant*a 

Fryt wife* Did she ever get President Wheeler into hot 

water this way? (Laughter) 

•tavenst No» I don't think aa» X think toward the end of 
hia texm hare« after hi a illnaaat ahe had a little 
difficulty with him because he had a lapse of aamory. 

c^«.^. Like the day ha had to laaTa for V^aziaa— hn oaaa up 

to aay **Qoodbye" and ahe had to talaphona* you know, 
and tell ua to send him hone* But ha maintained an 
office in the Library for a ooupla of jaara after h^^kn 
retired* .. 

Fryt Did he come frequently? 

Stevena: Yea» you could gat him on tha phcxxa thara moat any day 
of tha week* 

Fry! What did he do? ^^ 

Stavenat Ha was juat writing— re aearch end thinga of that kind* 
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Prjt I knew that the regents had made him president 

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If this was really used, 

Stevens t Ch yes* Barrows used It, especially at the beginning* 

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But Wheeler, then, dropped out of things. 

Fry: As his memory began to fail? 

Stevens: Yes. 

Ppyi Now, Victor Henderson was secretary of the regents. 

I just wanted to ask you about theae two different 

secretaries, Victor Henderson and Ralph Merritt. 

Stevens: Victor Henderson, you see, was secretary to Wheeler, 
really, at one time; and then he left that and became 
secretary to the regents. 

Pry: I was Interested in contrasting the two men, Henderson 
and Herritt. How did they operate? 

Stevens: They were a different type altogether. Merrltt, as I 
say, was a nice man, but he was much more to the point 
than Henderson. Henderson was one of these very autTe 
individuals, calm and colleeted, you know. And he got 
along fine with people, but if you had to tit down end 
talk with him very long, you*d get bored. 

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right now! tven if It vaa wrong, thst was It I He 
was ttist type. « to «lx w. 

Fryt Did Kr« Henderson have e close relationship with tha 

regents and the legislators? 

Stevens! No« Henderson was purely secretary of the ragentai 
he was not a eoiopt rolls r| he didn't have anything to 
do with finance a* The regents always took oare of, . 
that themselves* And then not until Merritt osna lA^^ 
was the business end cf the office in the University* 

Fry: Hendnx^QA vsk» « J4**^'^ between the Uiiiveraity and 

the regents* Tou said that President Whaeler didn't 
fo up to the legislature very muoh. 

Stevena: He didn't go unless he was invited* of r 

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Stevens: Veil, going back to Morse Stephens » of course he wat^* 

the one ha liked moat* But he dldn^t Bdx with them 

soeially e great deal* Soma of them he didn't like. 

They never knew it, but he didn't like them* I would 
fvr' **7 that hia aooisl fiinetiona included^ at that tine^ 

Steve about thirty percent of the faculty. 

Fryt Wheeler waa very interested in developing the TJniTemity 

Sxtenaion» wasn't he? Waa his friendship alao on a 
:^^ — aooiel baais with Howerth, the head of Extenaicn? 

Stevenat Ho» he didn't have much to do with fiowerth outaide of 

regular Extension business* And when Riehardaon came 

In he was very friendly with Riehardaon* I waa thinking 
Pryt o^ aome of the other old«»tinera* 

Fryt You mentioned Lawaon* How about Gilbert Lewla? 

Steyeaai Gilbert Lewie— he waa the uaaooi«ble type* Pull of 

buaineaa, full of chemiatry* ' "^ " ahlnrten?" 

Pry: Re certainly played a leading role in the faculty 

revolution* * 

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Fryt He vas ancther friend of VTheeler's? ^ 

Stevens f Yes* ,^ 

Fry: Merrltm? , "Im^ sfte • * tt ^ -i? 

Stevensi -John Can^ljell'Merrlam, yesi he was very friendly with 

him. In factf he took Morse Stephen's place later on* 

That i8« as far as going to the presidentfil.hpuse* 
* ' But he didn't stay lonr after that; he went back to 

the Carnegie Institution* . 

Pry! Yc3, I think that was right after Wheeler retired* 

Stevens t Yes. " T-eiwewber 

Pry: You nean Merriera took Stephen's plaoe, then, in these 

little infonnal sessions of the Sunday eveniagat 
Stevenst Yes» he was a freqaent visitor*,, ^t wise 
Pry: Vas this during the war, or before the war that MerrisB 

started jrolng? 
Stevens: Oh, thst waa before the war ossm»^ -.j^ ^ .^^ 
Prys Well, Stephena was a dean then. 

Stevenat Merriam wanted na to go with him to Waahington* 
Pry: Oh, with the Carnegie Inatitation? itiftiAir. ^ 

Stevens t Tes. Re isld, "How would yoa like to go to Vashinfrtont* 

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easte end there you stay*'* So, I think he went to , 
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me to {;o. Kellf I was gled after that that I did 
atsy becauae I had forty yeara— pretty good lifa» 
you knowy anyway. Although it was a lot of hard 
work. But the re* a imjc^ ifo.rk anywhere » Z gueaa. 

Pry! It muat have been very it^on^ent to a pvaaident to 

be able to hs've aomeone loyal enough that he could 
be called on^ even if it meant workinf^ late hours. 

Stevenat That's right. I remember Wonroe Deutach; you know, 
he was dean of the University under Sproul, He waa 
talking to aomeborly one ^mft I've forgotten who it 
wasy but anyhow it came out later it waa aoaiebody , , 
who knew me pretty well, iDeutaoh aaiv3, ^Wally ha*8 
a valuable man here for many reaaona^ but the main 
reaaon la whan you want him he*a alwaya haraL^** . .y 

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Stevena: Samuel Benarliot Chriaty^ professor of mining* fie was 

the very unaooiable type, too, -» . - ^;^ Joha 

Fryt He waa? 

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his 0b8ence« And I v«nt in on« <9«7 tad Whe«lcr sel<S» 
"Who Is the heed of the department of mininp; now that 
Prof e floor Chriaty la eway?" and I aald, "Profeasor 
yeaks,'' ''Mo X donit think ao; I think he i a the tail 
of the department*** (Leagiht^r) X don't know if ha 

^' was fecetioua or not. You never knew whan ha waa going 

jto aay a thing like that. "I think ha* a the t«il of tha 
departiaant." (Laughter) 

W9f9 Vhet about Charles Milla Gaylejr? Vara ha and Vhealer 

on very good tcms? 

Stavenat They ware on good terma» but nothing like Korae Stephena 
and Marriam« and that type* 

Tvyt And Jonea— -would you olass Jonaa in with Marriam and 


ftteYenst Almoat, yea. G^ayley was a anappy Engllahnan^ you know* 
He alwaya got along with Whaeler» but not on a really 
warm relationahlp. 

Fryt V/aa Bernard Faybeck around wtian you wez« heraf 

Stevena; No, I uaad to hear cf hiiuy but ha waaa*t around at all* 
He* a a till livinr* I think » but ha* a very old now* John 
3alen Howard waa who X heard moat about i he waa tha rf 
Univaraity arehitaet than* Ba bailt tha Oampaaila* 

Frys Xaa. And ha had charge of all of tkia bttildingSt didn't 

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Stevens: Not very well* He eame to the offloe wh«n he vas 
asked to oomsi but he dldn*t voXunte#p very oftea* 

Fryi In the ov4i4ll'miiter >>uildlng plsn, were the ' 

erehitectural deelsions more or less between Mps« 
Hearst end Mr. Howard, op :3id President Wheclar**-*:^^^ 

Stevenat They were between Krs* Reerst and Professor Howard 
ind Wheeler^ but they ell had to go to the regents 
for final approval. 

Fry: But for all the numeroaa little details that had to 

be decided-— 

Stevens: Oh, Wheeler would do that. But he would often con* 

"T* suit Mrs* Hesrst before he nrnd^ his deeisions*. ? r 

Tryt So her wants were really effective. 

Stevenai Oh yea* In fact, aha was a regent toa, you know* 

Pry I That* 8 true. After the bond issue, the building of 

Vheeler Hall and the Agrioultups Buildlnic and the 
Chemiatry Bulldinp muat have neeaaaitatad very 
frequent conference a between Pre aidant Vhaelar and e 
Mrs* Hearat and tha arohiteot. Hew did thia fit in 
with the regular office rcutinaT 

Stevenai Just thia* Wheeler corresponded with Mrs* Hearat very 
often) aha waa living at that time down at Plaaaanton« 
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•pend the weekend with me.** He'd go down there* It 
didn't tske very long, you know# Then, I think at 
the regents' meeting, which she always attended, aha 
would come rather early In the morning. The reganta 
wouldn't meet until the «fternccn and ahe'd spend the 
whole day here* Mr. Henderson wes then secretary to 
the regents; he was s sort of a b0(^y guard to Hra*' 
Re 8 rat. }^€^d take care of her all during hep atay 
here in Berkeley* She made op her mind vary faatf 
aha always knew what ahe wanted »n^ it didn^t take 
her very long to say whet she wanted. 

Fryt It was pretty much what she wanted that we had, I gueaa. 

Stevens; That's right. The original Hearat Hall, it waa a wooden 
building, was up in the vicinity of where the Cowell 
Hoapital is now. That burned down a few years after 
Krs* iTearat*a death, and William Randolph '^earat aant 
a telegram immediately that he would rebuild it ae a 
BMBorial to his mother* And that* a the one they hara 
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-, •nnivertsrjt while you vtre h«r»« Vcv» •rrtAgta^nta 

for that i^^^prfftty imioh up to y&a» %f«r9n*t thajt 

dt^Tensi 17o« That was dona bf a committee of tha faeulty. 
Profaator Charles 9* Rlabar v«8 than profeasor of 
psyohologyy an(t h«.|f§a aha 1 man of thla aon^ittaat 
which mada all tha arri9ng6Tnaata ontf reeomrnandad to 
the president that thinga ba dona thus and ao* So 
|h«t*a |)3U9 waj ^9^,)wortct^ ^at» Thinga tboa wovf 

V, f fttting rathop larff:a« knd 1 voKmbar thareia a toIi 

out on that* rid you aaa it la tha library? I think 
it* 8 called tha Centennial Celebration or AnnlTaraary* 

Wbaaler aakad mt, **How ahall wa go about proaorrlag 
fll of thaaa apaeohaa that will ba aado» ao wa aan put 
then in book fona?** Vell| aa I aayf tho ra wore aona aCc 
tham^ of courae^ who had manuatrlpta* Xou ao«iI4 got 
thoaai but aoaa of them wouldn't have. 

**Vhy not got a publio atenof^i^phor to tako down 

^ — all of thaao ipooe^iiL M^^ ttmu wo won't guoaa at any 

of thaM»" I iutfoatod. So ho did* Ho got oA oxfOF% 
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was so much better for him. But he took everything 
down and then the books were finally printed. 

fvyt They had a big print Inrr that year of a lot of manu- 

•crlpts from the faculty too, didn't they? 

8t«ven0t Yes, that's right, .,^ . 

i?ryj In 1910 the University of fajlforplik Z^^^ Sa«|iel 

Hopkins W 11 ley an honorary derrea. W«re you present 
at that time? Did you se#* him? 

Stsvens: Oh yea. Now, 1 had a book* ••have you been over to 

the president's office lately? Pld you meet Mrs, Lynn? 

Ttji Yes. 

Stevens t Well, when X left there I had a big loose*leaf book vlth 


the big rings In It, and for years X kept In thsre all of 

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the Charter Day speakers, all of the honorary dsgrees. 

and the citations used by the president In conferring 
those degrees « I kept a list of all the Rhodes scholars 
that were appointed* 9h there's an immsnse amount of 
knowledge In there* I left the book in the office, and 
I hope they've still got it. 

Trjt -Jf^^y f^^ probably it ill keeping it« 

Stevens t Yes, It was (» rather lard^e oanvas-baoked book. I kept 
it up on the book shelf out where all the girls sit in 


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aatloQ out of It." 

•*<"*T» It all started by Whealor one day. Ra said, "I 
would llks to hara a list of all tha Charter Day 
spaaksrs we've had up to this tl-ne." I forgot what • 
year It was. Well, wa didn't have any list* So I want 
to the Library one day, and I want through all tha 
newspapers and Z amda up this list« And I thought to 
nyself : whan those things oome up somebody had battar 
writa then down and kaap a runnln«r record on all thaaa 
thlnjcrs* And that's how it started. But yonr speaking 
of Samuel H, Wllley— that was In that book, If they oan 
find Itj it»8 the wording that was on the diploma* 

Fry! Ha played such a prominent part In the beginning of tha 

University* I'm curious to know how he impressed you* 

Stevens: Wall, ha was ao old whan I saw hlniy you know* All I 
thought was I ha must be a great old nan* 

tt^ire Was ha still pretty vigorous? 

Stevens X Oh yes, ha was* Ha walked up the stairs tinder his own 
ponap* Ha used to rlda horaabaak, you know, from 

Fry I Monterey to r>aoramento« 

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where did you houee these visitors in the early 

pert of Wheeler* 8 administration? 


Stevens; Veil, they went to the president's house* After 

Wheeler inoved in there they were always housed there* 

And before that« IT he didn't have room they were 

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tent to some hotel* Onoe In a while they would twikm 
• hotel room way over in San Francisco, but that was 
too far away* 

Frys X wanted to ask you, too, about soiBething you had 

mentioned before. You told me about Theodore Roosevelt 
ooming to visit President V'heeler* He made two visits 
to the oampus, I believe, but one was before you oaiset 
as I remember* 

Stevens: Yes, he came, I think, in 1903* 

l>Vy} Something like that, and then he oaiae again for aa 

3 5 ''• ' • so \ > now i ci^n't r* 

Stevens: Yea, I think he wan a Charter Day speaker for one year, 

and then he carvis again on the way home from South Afriea 

nhere he was himtingr wild elephants* 
Fryt Was that for a speech? 

Stevens: Ifo, he just dropped by. Put he did appear in the Oreek 

Theatre* Quite a crowd titrnad out* 

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Fryt He was a special friend of Whaeler? 

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Fryj Did h« cormB to the office? What did you hav* to do 

Stevens J Veil, at that time, I think he came from South Afrleaf 

Farnham Griffiths was secretary to the president* H« 

vent to me* t him In San Francisco and brouc^ht him 

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over. And when he left, Farnham Griffiths took hlw 

back to San Francisco and I roda with him, just for 

fun. <^rriffltha said, "Would ySti'like to ridaalongf" 

and I said, "Yea, I vovld." So he kept np a constant 

chatter all the way across the Bay. 'H^en at that 

tlsnt, of" course, we had to go to the Oakland mole and than 

go over by ferry to San Pr anc is eo«' '" 

Fry: So you had a rather long ride. 

Stevens! Had a long rlde^ yes. 

Fry: Do you rein#fnber what" he spoke oft 

Stevens: Oh, X don*t know. That*8 so long ago now I don*t reias«b«r 
at all. Of eo\x*se, the best ride I had was the tint 
Voodrow Wilson was here. Ha vas taken ill in the Oraak 
Theatre that day. Then you remenber he died In Salt Laka 
City on the way home. He told President Wheeler that 
day In the Hreek *nieatra that ha had a tarrlflo headache » 
but he nia'^e his speech. 

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of the Greek Theatre. 
Fry? Do you rmember how much he talked vlth Woodrow Wilson? 

Stevens: He tnade his speech, and he left that nl^ht. 
Fry: He was really quite 111 at the time? 

Stevens: That vas the beginning of it, yes. 
Fry: Kov did he Impress jou? 

Stevens: V/ell, he was a small man, but very Impressive* Ee wore 
a high hat, which they don't do nowadays, '^ut, as I 
•ay, I rode out with him — that wasn't quite true— I 
rode In the car ahead which was a sort of pathfinder. 
The cops all stopped the head car and wanted to know 
what It was all about. We had a piece of paoer that 
the police department had prlren us to show and they'd 
wave you on» We came right out Telegraph Avenue all 
the way to the campus. 
Fpyt But this was not a planned route? 

Stevens f No, just one of those thlnojs that happened. Vheeler 
end Wilson were pretty goo? friends, Wilson being ■ 
university preaident. 
Fry: Po you remember how much he talked with Woodrow Wilson? 

Stevenst He c'idn't talk very much thet time because, ss I tar, 
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escorted him out and Wheeler vas waiting at the Oreek 

Theatre* ^«« . 

Trjt Ware you la a. poaition to know at all how Theodore 

Roosevelt end Vhaalar talked things over or what 

they talked about? 
Stevenas Ho* They talked in Vhaelar*a office, or at the vv 

president's house » but none of us ever looked in on ^ 

thati we weren't invited to liaten* 
Fryt In the enauing correspondence, did you get to know 

anything that went cm between them? I*ve reed sons* 

whare that Wheeler actually helped in oonatrueting 

Theodore Hoosevelt's plstform* 
Stevens 1 Ho* That might have been* In thoae deya Wheeler 
p ^ would write letters with hie own pen to a man like 

Roosevelt, end he kept no copies of thati* If ha 

wanted a eopy kept he would tell ua^ but uaually whan 
.^ ha wrote with e pen there wea no copy* 

Fry: And no one elae aaw the lettarT 

Stevens I No one elae aaw the letter* no* I remamber whan 

Rpoaavalt died I wea at a football gaoia* In the 
Frr; middle of the afternoon, two of the boys caaia running 

after na* The preaident wanted ne at the president** 
c ,«. i^UM* Hf istufd a atatement* Vat very long* but» you 

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knew where I ws8» but he foand me* 
Pry: Re nmst have hunted ell over for foa« 
Stevcnst Tss. The football fields then, wai small ^ bat the 

seats were wooden tiers sround the edge» you know* 

They wouldn't seat more then 2500* 
Prys Welly Wheeler dld^ then, have quite a few via its with 

Roosevelt, and you suspect that he had quite a lot in 

eonsaon with President Wilson becsuse of their scsdemie^* 

Stevenst Tes, that's right. 
Ppyt Wheeler waa really very much interested in politics, '^ 

wssn't he? 
Stevens: Oh yes « 

Pryi More national than state? "^^^ ^' 
Stevens: Yes, national* I think he was pretty well Inown aa a 

national figure, ea far aa politiea* 
Pry: He'd go to the eonventiona, and things like that? 
Stevenai Tea* 

Pry: He had a greet deal of faith in Teddy Rooaevelt? 
Stevenai Oh, yea. Re was a greet edmirer of Rooaevelt. 
Pry: Did he expreea any viewa on the League of Vationa 

propoaed by Wilaen? 
Stevena: Not that 1 recsll, unless it was juat in eonversation 

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StaTanai Be if a a vapy oaraful In axpraaalng Ma polltieal vlewa* 
UnXaaa ha vara aakad, you knoVf ha vouldn*t aay much; 
ha waa a llttla afraid ^ I thlnkf that ha vould ba 
liatad aa a politloian. 

Wwft Wally yaat and ha was chastiaad ao for hla Tlawa on hla 

friandahlp with tha Garman people • 

Stavanat Oh yaa. I remanbar whan ha mat Kaiaar Vilhalai in Oanaany* 
Ha aakad tba Kaiaar what he would do if •#aMMiy wara in- 
Tadad* Tha Kaiaar replied, '^Ga rraany will not ba inyadad*" 
X MRiambar that maeh of it* 

Fryt Fflaoua laat words* Vall» ha had a deep abiding loTe for 

the German people, I*m aura* 

StaTanat Oh yea* 

Pryt It muat hnva baan very difficult for hia« ^^ 

Stavenas Yea^ ha had a bad tiaiai thara for a while it waa difficult* 
It all blew over* 

Fryt Did ha and the Kaiaar aarry on oorraapondanaal 

Stavanat Yea, a good deal. And he wrote to a good many Oarman 
profeasora* I rana»bar I uaed to hara a tarribla tiaa* 
I doA*t aaan ha wrote in Garman, but tha nanaa and 
addraaaea uaed to gat ma down. Bafora he left to dalivar 
a aariaa of lacturaa at tha UniTeraity of Barliny I think 
ha apant about three montha preparing thaaa* Firat ha 

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professor st that tlme^ Professor Pinger» who eame 
into the office almost er^rf day and worked on theae 
lectures 9 and tranaleted them all from Fngliah into 
German* And then* when Wheeler de lire red them in 
Germany, he lectured in German. I think they're In 
print. There*a a copy in the library aomewhera. I 
remember the title of the lecture a was a German title* 
*'Unterricht und deraokratie in Aanerika^-^whateTer that 

Fryt That aounda like aome thing that Germany ahould have 

liatenad to at that time. 

Stevenas Yes. 

Fryt This is interesting— the fact that he was eorreaponding 

with key German people juat before World War I« And 
knowing Wheeler's yiews on demoerecy, end so forth, do 
you have any inkling of what they talked about? 

Stevenat I haven't the least idea. That was all behind the 

drawn curtains. But he worked hard on the apeechea. 

Fryt So Gezt&any was slmoat a aecond home for him. 

fttevenat Oh yea. 

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§t9T«ns3 You w«r« talking about anecdotes the other day on 

tha phone* I thought of one. At that time ve had a 
department called domeatio science* 

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Frj: Oh yes* 

Stevens: Nov I think it*s sort of split— It *8 decoratiye srt snd 
ho»e economics* Well, this Isdy, Professor Msry 
Pstterson* wes hesd of the Department of Domeatie 
Selenoe* Prtaident v/heeler aaked me one day— ha 
was dietating, and all of a audden ha atopped and ha 
aeid, **X een*t think of the name of that lady that*a 
in the doraeatio acienee departr>^ent*** **Qh,** I aaid, 
*Profeaaor Patteraon." "That • a it," he aaid* Then ha 
vent on dictating, and when he got through ha aaid^ 
*0h. Professor Patterson— I remember her now very well* 
She's the ledy thet slwsys hss wrinkles in her stock- 
ings*** (Leughter) She did, too* 

99f% Thst's ironic for him to remember s home econo^iea 

teacher that wsy* 

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8t«Tensi **Yes, she's the Isdy with the wrinkles in hep stockings*" 

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ftOliPr elasfl had already t9X^, Vh^elt^r that thaj vara 
thinking of leaving a senior bench • He thought that 
would be nice and where did they want to put It? 
WeXl» they would leave It up to him* So, he aald to 
WB one dayi ^Let'a walk down by the football statue.** 
It said, **I think that's a good place for the senior 
bench*** So we walked down. And when we got down 
there he stood and looked around here end there end 
he saldy "Where do you think would be e pood piece to 
P^* ^*^" Well, there wes s branch from a tree hanging 
over^ 80 I 9ald« "I think ms ybf right under that brsnoh 
thSM*** "Veil, perhaps," he ssld^ "but we mustn't for* 
get that may^e the branch isn't in the right piece*" 
(Leughter) But the bench wes put there finally* 

Prys Brench or no brench* 

Stevens: And another anecdotes At the tine Ralph Kerritt wss 
secretary he had announced that he thought he would 
quit and go out into the business world* And Mhm^lmv - 
said, "Veil, what sort of business do you think you'll 
go intoT** "Veil,** he ssid, "I thought l^d try my hsnd 
st fsrroing*** And Vheeler sort of sailed end finally hs 

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"Veil then, your wife will milk the cows end you 
id 11 carry away tha manure." (Lau^ter) 

Karri tt eama out laughing, you know. Veil, ha 
did go Into his farming* At that time ha want to 
Millar end Lux, the big cattle people. 

But Wheeler was full of those quips and whan jou 
least expected them. - — -*.^w*.= I 

Pryt It really ramlnda you a little bit of Mark Twain, 
doesn't It? r xn %am o 

Stevens I Yes. Right. Right* 

Fry: Vss he rather droll about all thlat 

Ste vena s Yes. As I say, you eould never tell It was eosdngi ha*d 
stop right In the middle of dlctstlon lots of tiaas| 
he'd burst out with soni of thWse things, yva know, and 
you didn't know when he wss going to do lt« 

Prys Vhat we nee6 la a catalogue of Vheelarlasw* 
Stavanst Wheelerlsms, yes. - — ^ roll o^f — » 

Pry: Veil, If you think of sny othars, wa*ll Ju«t stop right 
In the middle of what we* re talking about, and you aan 
tell them. (Laughter) '• ^^ tc^l dia%a%* 

Stavanat Well, I got three there* 

Pryi Yes. Ycu know I was tslklng to ooa of tha wanan who 

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••ld» **It doee ut no good to trj to repeat them 
because we could never get the right teohnique** 

SteTenes Well» I*d do that a lot* Ve had so menj glrla In it 
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Tryt I^9> Thla was Graee Lpin* 

Steyenss Grsoe Lynn» she's still the re , 1 gueaa. Sproul uaed 

to oall her Graee Lynn» Everybody ealled her **Greeie**| 
**Gracle, will you do that?** They dubbed ae F«C«S» 
To write notes to each ether in the office you*d juat 
aign your Initials* ivhen they wanted to talk to mm 
I'd hear "P.C.S*" ahouted. ..n^^j^. ^^^j loudly be- 

Ppyl They didn't need an interoon* (Laughter) Vhat ia Ibi 

story of Wheeler and hie diotaphone? 

Stevenai Oh# in the early daya of the diotaphcnat He waa a bit. 
reluetant to even try lt| and finally he wes pereueded 
to give it a trialf which he did. After he dieteted 
mm roll the office boy eene to teke the roll out and 
have it tranacrlbad* He tripped on the thre ahold In 
the doorwey and broke the record. The reef ter Preaident 
Vheeler would have nothing to do with mechanleel dletat« 
Ing machine a* 

Pryt Tou*d had to convince him re the r vigoroualy even in the 

flrat place to try Itp hadn't youT 

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Pry! You were telling me the much'-told anecdote about 

the phone call to San Francisco. Now which president 
was that? 

Stevens: That was Wheeler. ~ - ♦^ - -^ • 

PryJ Well, you were right on the spot. Why don't you put 

It down for posterity here? 

Stevens t flfit wss Wheeler* end his seeretsry st that tine was 

Glare Torre y. And as I walked through Torre y» a office 
on my way to Wheeler's office, Torrey was talking to 
Bomeone in San Francisco and talking very loudly be* 
cause there wss a poor connection, I guess. So, when 
I went into Wheeler's office he ssked me, "^Tho is he 
talking to?* I said, "I don't know. It' a somsbody in 
Ban Frsncisoo. Re*s got e poor connection, I gtiesa. 
*Well,* he said, "whan 70U go back you tell him to uta 
the telephone." (Laughter) 

Fry! That's become s resl elsssic. ' 

Stevenat That's been told over end over in different versions* 


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Frjt Wh«n th« war ywart osm* along, we had all of tha 

upheaYal on th« carepua that raaultad from tha var* 
Aeoording to my notea* Vhaelar Toluntaarad tha 
aanrioaa cf tha UnlTaraltj Jast a few raontha bafora 
VBT waa daelarad*«before the United Statea enteral 

y the var» I vm^n^ Could ycu juat deaeribe how thla 

affected the UnlTeraitj and the prealdent*a office? 
Say, in the firat yeer* 

StaTanat Veil, I remamber we had a aort of an impromptu gathering* 
Tha old flag pole, at that time, waa juat below ^oalt 
Hall* There was quite a vacant apace in there and there 
waa an old flag pole that atood there for ye era* Wa had 
an impromptu gathering, juat before the war, around tha 
flag pole, end Wheeler made a little apaech* 

He as id, "The entire reaoureea of the UnlTeraity 
will now be turned oyer to the goYernaant," or worda 
to that effect, you know* And that* a how it atarted* 
And then you apoke the other day about hia pro^-OernaniaM* 
It waan*t pro«Oerman, but that cmwm about quite naturally 
baoeuae he wea a great friend of Kaiaar WilhalM* Aa I 
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Frjt That vas four or five ytars before the war* before 

our entry* ♦*. ^ 

Stevena! Xe8« But eTerybodj got a action^ you know, that h« 
vaa pro«^emian« They aald, ^Vell« you ean*t ohanga 
a tiger* 9 atripea*" and ao forth. He felt rather 
badly about that* but he lived it doiia flaeullj* 

Fryt Who were the people who aaspeoj^d thiat 

Stevena t Oh^ moatly yoa*d read it in the paper* 

Fry J The preaa* rut- Tm. 

fttevena! Yea« the preaa, mostly* The faculty— none of the ;^ 
faculty ever thought he waa pro-Gennan* 

Pryt What about the regenta? I noticed aome regent re« 

■ ,^^ aolutiona regarding German profeaaorai they oalletf 
them "enemy aliens ;** they could not keep their joba 
and Praaident Vheeler had to fire them, waan*t that 

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Stevena: Yea» va had one profeaaor there, Albin FutgkePt 

profeaaor of German* And several other Oarmana, 

you know* I don*t think Viheeler had to fire them; 

they atill atayad on* There wea another profeaaor 

that eama from Germany and waa profeeaor of Garman 

here* Hia name waa Forka* Bat everybody aaid vhan 

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he was fired; he was asked politely to ItaTe, which 
ha did* He didn*t make any fuss about it* 

Fry! tt was interesting to notice there was a Iqralty oath 

required of the 1918 graduate a before they could 
graduate. How did the students take this? 

Stevens I Welly I think they took it much better than the 
* faculty, years later. (Laughter) ^ » -• 

Fryi They ainq^ly aigned it. " ^'^ **^ ^' 

SteTena: They aigned it and got out, yea* 

Pryt I waa going to aalr you about President Wheeler's role 

in the state when he had that office of f^od con- 

Stevenst Oh $«■» that food business you were tslking about t 

Fry! Yea» in the state defense council (Turing the war. 

Stevenat Tea. He was chairman* but not much of the woric waa 
done in the office**-that ia, in hia offie«« Ralph 
lli)*ritt did moat of the work, and then it waa taken 
^* away by Hoover, you know. He made quite a reputation 

for himself. **• 

Pryi Welly Merrltt was the one who actually did all the 

education of the fame rat ' ''^ ^^ *^— 

Stevenat Not the wox4c of the preaident*a office. That ia 

Univeraity work. But that part of it that Karri tt 

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Fry I But ht did it in Wheeler's office. 

Stevens! But I didn't have anything to do with that. 

Fryt Bid it inereaae the load of ooz*re8pondence any? It muat 

have been a tremendous reaeereh job to nake this aurvey 
of all the famers and to aee what they were producing 
and what they could produce, ^n** ur^r^ r 

Stevenss I think that soon after it got atarted^ Mr. Merritt 

ff»jY went to Sen Francisco* Most of the work waa done over 

there. They had their ataff over there | the ataff of 

,,,. the preaident'a office didn*t have anything to 49 with 


Fryt Would you say that Wheeler Just lent his name to thiaf 

Stavenst That's practically itf aort of a figure head. Moat of 
those wsr things vers like thet* Wheeler's naaa was 
used no re than anything else* But he did appoint Kerritt* 
The aana way when Mr* Halle tt waa aent over to San 
Franciaco at the tine of the eerthquake in 1906. 

Frys I see; end then Merritt during wartime waa appointai 

in the aana nanner. >. 

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Frys I*ve found the namat I believe » of the nilitary nan who 

were here on eanpus and head cf the unite in World War I. 
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Stevens t Gove— I know that one. 

Fry: And Colonel Laa&lter« 

StaYanat He was the eommanding offleer^-^olonel La as iter. Ha 

was the man I told you about who juat came around aaff 

said, "We ♦re going to do this, and we're going to do 

that." He was the boss. 
Tvft 1 saw a picture of him. VThat sort of a man was hat 

Stevenas Very stem* He didn't waste any time on anything* 
Pryt Well, wes he the sort of person you could ait down aad 

talk things over with? 
Stevenss Oh yes* v^hst I mean is, he wasted no time; ha knew 

what he wanted and he was always looking for lt« 
Pryt He didn't necesssrily believe in service with a amila* 

Stevens t No* ?ou could always tell whan he was coning; he'd start 

talking before he got in the office* Tea, you could 
^ always hear him coming down the hall* 

Pryt Wall, he was already retired at that time, waan't hat 

Steve nat Oh yes* 1 don* t know where he oama fro«| ha juat ap« 

paarad from nowheie, aa far aa wa ware coneemad, 

rather auddanly* 
Prys Hear Admiral Qove didn't have quite aa much juria* 

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unit* Tho ntrrf Just novtd In^ sort of piocenoal at r 

that tlm«« World War I^ was dlfraranti thay had a 

naval unit than* 
Frjrt In World War Z2 what was It like to wox^ in the preal* 

d«nt*a of flea? Did yo^rdutlaa ehaaott 
Storanat ^IdnH change at all; I went on about nj bualnaaa tha 

mwtam old w«y« 
Frjrf Tha navy boya went to regular clasaaa with evaryont 

alae, didn't thay? Waa the autonomy of tha array or 

rrnvj iiare aa graat in World War II as it was in World 

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Stavenas Oh^ I think even greater. By tha tinv they'd had tha 

experience in World ^ar I thay knew how to run thie 

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Trft You mean the military did* So that tha military really 

had quite s lot to aay about the olaenesT 
St«Tenai Oh yt a# thiy ran tht Unlveraity at that tine* 
fjpqri: nid thia influenaa tha way tha praaldent'a offiaa vaa 

Stavenat No« Vo, we went on about our regular UnlTaralty duties 

trying to do what we had always done» aver and sbsvtr 

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Aniiy^ Training Gorpa. I waa thinking abotxt that after 
you l#tt<r' That's really aowethin? that the UnlTersity 
itself knew very little about* Bceauae it vaa the army. 
They came over and the Univeraity had nothing to do 
with It except to give the apace they needed* So what 
they did and where they got their orders, end what the 
orders were, nobody ever knew* In fact, the eonmanding 
officer over here very seldcn came to the president* a 
office. Once in a creat while he'r? eoToe in, "The 
elaasroom we've been uaing for the last two ireeka iM 
too amall now,** he'd say. "We'll have to wove over 
Into that other cne| it's large r.** That wea juat the 
extent of the whole thing as far as the Univeraity 
itself was concerned. '^ ' '^ 

Fry! Juat giving them the space. 

Stavenat Giving them the apece. They ran their own ahow. Tha 
tJniveraity had nothing to do with It. 

Pryt This must have been a disappointment to a gMat nmnj 


Stevens t Oh yea. I think thia connanding ofricar— iiall» ha'd^^ 
some in to ••# the preaident, nay^^ twfe^ f «ofi%B dp' — 
acme thing like that« not any more. He wouldn't have 
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I0O9 but v« ntt«^ thff oth«r one*" 80 tbtt*t th« vay 
th«y ren It^^.^^ ^.^ ^^ 

Frjrt X r*»d about • bosr^ that Wha«Ier had appointad to 

handle the military thinia^a* Vaa it nere or laia 

„ ,. pa)?«llal to the three '♦eana? 

•tavanat Yeal that la» Juat i' irinr, rhe war tl-^a* 

Pry J T)o you think that tha military ^»«n liortce ^ with tha 

y thjpaa deana very rwch, or did thay re ally ''o nothin^i; 
#% f 11 with tha academio? 

Stavanat Ho, Tha army vBn its own acodante work, yoa rsight aay* 
Tha Univeraity had ncthing to ^o with the inatruetion* 
Cf oourae, tJ^ regular Univeraity inatruotion want 00 

y for those students* Veil, thay might have been ^radiiata 

atudenta, or they might hare been undargira^^uata atudanta 
QPt v^%^f J*t to fO Into the ^Thirerslty* 

Pry: for aoast reaacn thay war<e not in military aarrice* 

Stavenas Then, during the aeeon-* World War when the navy waa 

hare, they worked in tha aaiie way« I reetembar over in 
the Life Seienae Buildiag we had two cr three big rocaa 
bottain£ anitsala for experlnentel purpoae8**rabbita, 
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all those anlnala cut.** So, out thej wenty wherever 
apace oould be found. Things were pretty well upset 
for a while* 

Fry: You told me off the tape the other dey It was leaa ao 

in World War II than in V/orld War !• 

Stevenas That* a right. 

Fryt You know there were eo many thlnga iPtoing en in World 

War I here* They seemed to have aeveral different 

ndlitary programs going on on the oampua at the sasie time* 

oil w:«« t 1st to ' 

And the ambulanee oorpa that went from hare, mnat have 

Stevenai Oh yes « they msde quite s repute t ion for themselves* 

I think it was the first srobulanoe unit* It went out 

from this University* 

Fry: And Gsyley^ Gsyley was one of the men who got up one 

of theae* Do you remember that? 

fttavenat That's right, yea* 

Fry I How old a man wa:^ he then? Waa thia hi a oontribation 

for the war? 

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Steveoai Yea, he waa greatly intareated in the whole thing at 

that time* At that time he must have been perhapa in 

hia aixties* 

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Stevens} Yes* that was a wild time* 

Prjt And the flu epl<5eralc hit In about Oatcber* Remanbert 

just as yx>u were building those barrsckaf and jcu had 
to have them done in three weeks or four weeka» along 

with the (fining rco« unit for all these SATC atodanta* 

A ^xfin^ i:o o«n Kin 
And then the flu epidemic. 

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Stevens s Everybody working with a mask on» 

I know they had beds all over the campua. The 
Infirmary wasn't large enough. They had beds In tha 
gymneslum, the old gymnasl>im that was just to the 
right of Sather Oate aa you go out«-a huge old wooden 
bulldlngf looked like an elephant. Stood there for 

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Fjpyl And that's where they put a lot cf thew? t>ld this 

epidemic hit the faculty, or v/haelar very hard? 

Stevenaj No, not very hard. Of courae, there ware a lot of 

them down* but we didn't loae any. 

Fryt Did President Whaaler get the flu? 

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Stevens t He got it later on, you know* when everything waa all 

over. Then he got thla abaeess on the brain. 

Pryi Then he retired In Pebr^iary. 

Stavenat Yes. 


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Deans Oayley» Jones » end Stephens 

Yryt I guess Wheeler's closest friend ves Henrj Morse 

Stephens* Is thst right? 
Stevens t Oh yes* Yes* He used to osll him "Morse Stephens*** 
9vft "* Vhet nmfm did he use when he wes tslklng with him? ^ — 
Stevens: Xt was ^'Horse* yes* And Stephens slwsys called 

l^hecler, "Wheeler*" the 

Frys Uh, he didn't cell him **Benny IdeT** 

Stevens t Didn't osll him ** Benny Ide*" 
Prys Stephens probsbly helped Wheeler nore in his decisions 

thsn snycne else* =f un« f> ? 

Stevens! Thst's right* As I ssid before^ he wss s regulsr Sunday 
Fryt night visitor or guest* You trould slwsys find him there 

Sundsy evening* 
Fryt When Wheeler retired* do you think thst he wented Stephens 

for president? Woulo he have like thet? 
Stevenst No* he wssn't the type for president! be was sn tJLoellent 

professor snd historisn* but he wsa not an administrator* 
Fryi Mot organised cauugh* you neen? 

Stevenat ho, the bueineaa affaire of the Univeraity would have 

teiiren hia arety* He oouldn't do that* U# was the 

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Pry! Ha didn't Ilka the trivia Involved? 

Stavanat No« But Whaalar was quite upaet whan Koraa 

Stephens died, 7ou know ha died In San Franelaoo 
on a street car. 

PryJ ^o, I didn't know that. 

Stevens: Yes* I've forgotten who was going over to San Franelaoo 

^^^' with hiro on that particular day; It was cnc member of 

the faculty. And they had juat left the Ferry Building 
on a straetoar to go somewhere* Stephana waa talking 
very excitedly about something he was interested In^^ 
and all of a sudden the man who was with him looked up 
and there waa Stephena all crumpled up. He juat paased 
out Ilka that, \vant out Ilka a light. 

Pffi Right in the middle of a aentence. 

Stevenat Yea* 

Fry! It must have been a ahcck to everyone* 

Stavena: Oh yea* 

Fry: They replaced hiro on this administrative board with 

Ralph Marrltt, didn't thay? 

Stevenat Yes* 

Pryt Now during that time you ware working without a boaa» 

^ weren't you? In other worda^ all you had waa thia board 

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Barrows cams in* 
Fry: July till Decembar, How did adiainiatration by thraa 

daana work out hare? 
St«vanat ell, X think they were just marking time; they knew 

a nev p]?a8idant was coming— and it waa juat to keep 

things going* 
f|Fp^; It was a kind of emergency set-up» but still it woald 

be interesting to know how it worked out* Wea the 

faculty able to function properly under this? 
Stevens: Xes» X think the fsoulty went en about ita bualneaa 
,^.^, as usual; they didn't heve near the problema adninia- 

tratively at that tine as they had later on, when it 

became ao large. 
Fry! Although they had a lot of post-wsr sdjustments to make 

about that time* 
Stevenas Yea, that's true* 
Pryt So the whole atmoapl-iere was juat one of auapended aoi- 

niation, ia that right? 
Stevens: That's rights yes* firerybody aarmad delict tad when 

Barrows was finally elected; they all casM ruahing 
ig-j, into the office to aae him* 

Fpyt Oh, he took over ioanediately, didn't hat Aa aoon aa 

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Pryt Wifi there eny difference In the day to day routine in 

the office during the interim? Did you notice any 
difference as the "FecuXty Revolution" prograaaed and 

ypyt ceme to Its crlsla? 

SteTenat No« ve dldn*t notice anything* Buainess went en 9B 
usual in the office, 

Fry2 It reelly (Udn't make much difference there? 

Stevenai No, aa I look beck now ti^re waa very little friction 

FIT'S In the office* Beceuae of that everything went on as 

— U8»^l«^j^ ; tiiia«» cui'ij. 

Tryt So the ohengea in faculty self -government wera all 

done outalde the office then* In faculty officea« 
anc3 thlnga like that I guesa* 
SteTenat Yes^ that* a right* Faculty club« I auppoae* 
Fry J rVellp were Gayley and Jones very perturbed about thlat 

Do you remember anything at all of their oomreraetlona 
aboit thla? 
Stevenai No, I don*t think they were ruffled the leaat by it* 
t^f courae^ at that tlme^ the prealdent*a aecretary 
> toc>k oara o^ ^^ ^fSBN 
Fryj Vho waa the aecretary? 

Stevenax Lat*a aee* that waa 1919* 
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frft 1a« k^oiMtitaes ell three* Generallj Jones would eoae 

oae de/f and Qayley the nextj end Korse Stephens the 

next. 'ng 9\i>Tji 

Fry! Oh, ie thet the wey they worket^ It? 

SteTenas lhat*a the wey they worked it* Bat when aone particular 

probleme came up» all three would oome* But Korae 

Cartwright was always there to give then the feeta of 

the oaaef you know* 

Fryt He ra ally i'wa tha ofxiee? .y l*pi«* 

Sta^enat He really ran the ofriee during the interim* 

Pry: V<ell, X oan b%9 that there wea no one authority then, 

on a oontinual basis through the weak* 
Steyena: No* And when it came to naking t^w budget, of eouraa 

ell three sat in* I remember Morae Stephens wea elwaya 
Tr^r: ohiming ini a oaae of promotion of e certein profeasor 

would come \jkpf Morsa Stephene would pipe op, "He* a no 

goodi don*t give him anything*" And ha*d laugh* (Laughter) 
Frys 7'hey hed to bettle thoae cat between the three of them, 

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Fry I Was It usually a contribution? 

Stamens: Oh yes* Ha was a very wiaa man, tha profaaaor of 
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orrioe boy at that time and we told him to go over 
, to Boalt Hall and deliver a vmBm^g^ to Profeasor 

Jonea* Dean Jones* 

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So he came back and he reported, ''Yeah, I found 
I Professor Jones* 1 net soaiebody going up the stairs 

and told him I was looking for a man with a big nose." 
f Thst*s how he found him« 

Frys Getting back to the faculty atmosphere of 19199 the 
University seeaed to have two problena running along 
coaourrently, end I wondered if they were aignif leant 
enough in the preaident*s oXTioe for ycu to know sny 
of the detsils sbout them* One wee the faculty who 
were atruggling for more control to run their own 
univeraityt and to aet up new atanding rulea in the 
faculty aenete* And the other wee thit baalnoee of 
tr.ring to find a new preeident* 


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those things eaiw up in the nee tings of the eoedemic 

Pry; And you didnH hear any echoes of that in your officaT 

Stevens: Ko; in V/heeler*s dey the academio senate was a rmrj 
sintplc affair* The faculty was email « and they had 
their xncetlngs in a very small room in California Hall* 
Ift/heeler would always preside himself, and he'd tell 
them what he wbs going to do and if they didn't like 
it, well, he was ^^olng tc do it anyway* But of course 
that waa oyex^ome when, the faculty grew and they had 
their own organisation and elected their own officers, 

Pryi I noticed even before their new atanding rules ware 

o*k.'d by the regents. Barrows voluntarily atapped 
down as preaident of the senate, although he had the 
right to be there. 

Stevenat Yes* Oh, it was changed tremendoualy, let*s say after 

things c^^v larger. They became rather umiialdy and 

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Fryt Do you remember Wheeler talking about any fara adviaort 

J or fann extenjiloj^i^ workara, man who were assiatent pro* 

feasors or sasociate prcfeasora in the agrxculture 
extension department? It was in the winter following 
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etnete meeting thet I*m tryin£: to find out eboat* One 
of the professors eeid Wheeler brca^rht in quite e few 
of the ferm edTiseri from Bevie to peck the nee ting eo 
that thej would vote the wey he wanted them to on the 
iMMhr mttAmmivnB policy, a policy designed to let students 
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they were recoimended by their high school principal* 
And the story f:;oes that these farr adTlsers oame in 
who ttt^lMisalXy had e right to be in the aenate beeause 
%imy had professorial rank, and they rotmd for it^ whlla 
HbiVller Tilled to ir«cop:alze any of the other profeaaors. 
r>o you rewetiber Vheeler menticning anything like thiaT 

Stevens! No, it might well be, but 1 don't recall anything like 

Pry: And tl^ien ss soon as they got their new standing rules, 

-^ . one of the first things the senate did, I think, ves 

excluc^e as msny of the fax^ s<^visers as they could fr€M 
membership in the senate^. 

Stevens s No, X dixn*t jrtssll snything sbout that* 
L Fry! I wanted to isk ycu one q\iestion sbout the Oeyley, Joeet 

and Stepl'iena trioi when they went in in 1916, it M9b 
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▼iawpointa aboat 0%rmBnj9 

Starena: Oh» at that tiaa thay vara all Tarj muoh oppoaed to 

Germany baeauaa Charlaa Milla Oaylay* although bom in 
Chlnaf vaa mora or laaa Britiah* 

Frsrt Ohf how wsa that? 

Stavana: Wall, ha laanad alwaya toward Givat Britain. And, of 
eoura«» Koraa Stephana was bom in England* Jonea 
was oppoaad to 0ermany> but I don*t know about hia 
aarlar eonnactiona* But I know that Moraa Staphana 
and Qsjlej ware both very nueh pro*Britiah* 

Vvyt 1 aee« Thia made them a rather aafe choiea* 

Stevana: Yea, oh yea* 

Fryi How did thia go along with Wheeler* a baaie affaetioii 
for Gennany and ita people? I waa wondering how ha 
happened to-— ,^^ - ,,^^ 

StoYenat Oh, he waa oppoaed to Oermeny« of oouraa« after that, 
•a wieh aa any of then* 

Fryt Aa a political Tiawpoint* 

StaTenai Yea* They all knew of i^a aonneotiona with Qa rmany 
and hia early friendahip with the Kaiaar» and hia 
leoturea in Oermany* But they realiaad that after 
that waa over end the wfr l>roke out, he waa no aiova 
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Stevens! Oh yes* 

Fry I Vellf someone told me the other 69 j that Vheeler^ slcmg 

about this tlmef fell 111» and because of his 111 health 
It was the regents who appointed the deana* Do jou 
renamber how this happened? Vaa It the regents who ap- 
pointed them or was it Wheeler who appointed themf 

Stevenat It waa Wheeler* a auggeatlon or reoooBnendatlon In the 
flrat place* 

Pryi Oh, It waa? 

Stevens f Tea. 

Fvjt Vaa thla a written recommendation? 

Stevenas Ho» I think It waa just taken up Infoxvally In the 
regents* meeting* Re resllied that he waa not able 
to earry the load any longer, ao ha re commended theaa 
three men to help him out for the reat of hla tam. 

Fryt The In^lloatlon that theae were forced on him lan*t 

necesssrlly right? 

Stevenat No, I don't think ao* No* The regenta raallsad that 
they couldn* t chooaa a aueoasaor to Whaelar ao aoon 
after hla retirement* So thla adylaory eomrlttee filled 
the gap until they could aeleet a auocessor* 

Fryt I believe they ware appointed about nine BU>ntha before 

hla retirement* 

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Fry: Their rclationahip HBa more with the regenta than with 
the facoltyf vasn^t it? 

Stevenat Tea» it was more with the regenta* Aa I aaid aoaiatisia 

back, the faculty waa still running itaelf » more or leaa. 

Fryt And theae were not faculty repreaentatiTea* 

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The Earthquake of 1906 and the Fire of 1923 

Fryt Tou ware telling me the other day» very Tividly, about 
the role that the UniTeraity played in the great earth- 
quake « bat that waa before 1 brought My tape recorder 

Sterenas Oh^ that* a when we had the— what do you call it7*« 
refugee camp? That waa eatabliahad right below the 
Life Saienee Building* At that tine the runnimg tvaek 
waa the re » the baaeball dianond, and the area waa filled 
with tenta for different nationalitiea* And the ROTO 
acted aa guards and although they had no avninitiont 
they did have guna* 
Pry: But no one knew they didn't have amaunition* 
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Stevens: The cenpae* 

Frjt Were classes aaspended? 

Stevens t They iiere suspended for a fev da/a beceuae thiaes 
V9r9 ao dlaorgsnlaed. But I think after about a 
week they settled down pretty well* Thia casqi 
didn't leat very long* At that tine* of eourae, 
you could e^oe from Sen Preneiaoo, but you couldn't 
return* So after thet waa aettled, then they eeaed 

„^__ out grsdually. 

Fryt You were telling ne that Mr* Hallett«— 

Stevenai Tea*»*X forget the name of the man in charge of tha 

army in San Pranciaeo at that time—but he wea looking 
for aomeone who eould aoaa into hia office and sort of 
supervise these ROTC students who were than aent to 
San Franciaoo, and they did heve emmunition then* But 
he waa to aasist hira in handling theae ROTO atudenta« 
So Halle tt waa over there for over e nonth, I thiaky 
before he ceme back to the office* 

Fryf That was quite e job for e college aenior» waan't it? 

The other oriaia brought on unexpectedly like that 
waa the fire that Berkeley had that awept down—* 

Stevenat Oh^ that waa in Septeabap of 19231 thet wea quite a 
fire* It atarted over in the hilla» avar hare in 
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flj through the air way do%in on the •a^pus* So 
then we got busy and by that time thinga ware pretty 
well burned over even down to the edpra of the aaapua* 
And all of a audden the wind changed • And that* a tba 
only thing that stopped it« It would have gone right 
on down to Oakland. 
Fryt Vaa that when the pre aidant* a houae waa bumadT 

Stavenax vrhaelar*a house, yea* Csai^^ll wss praaident then* 
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Sterenat After Vfheeler retired Ralph Merrltt waa considered 

for the preaidenoy^ along with many otherat I giaaaa* 
And he was an excellent buaineas man—like Sproul, you 
know* But the regents thought Barrowa would be better, 
I auppoae* 

Pryt He had Taussig end— whst wss the other regent? Do you 

remember the name of the regent who waa uaually with 

Tauasig? ^ ^' ' '"' 

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Stevenat Rowell? 

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Pryt Rowell wasn't with anyone, waa he? 

Stevenas Mo, he waa by himaelf, (Laughter) 

Fryt Would you aay that Rowell had more real active intereat 

in the Uniireraity, in coming over and Tiaitin^;: it, and 

finding out what waa poing on? 
Stevenas I think ao, yea* Being e newapaper man, you know* 
Fryt Were Plxon and Tauaaig with Earlt 

SteTenat Oh, Ouy C. Barl| he waa a Kerritt man* 
Fryt Someone told me the other day that Wheeler waa eloaer 

to Teuaaig and Karl, that he Tiaited them— 
Stevenat Probably the old«time regenta. Taoaaig and Earl* 

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Steyentt Charles Stetson Wheeler was a great friend of 
Wheeler's; ha waa an attorney^ too, I told jou 
that before Wheeler eana here, when he was offered 
the presidency f he wrote e letter of aeceptence« 
finally* from Ithaca* And in that letter waa ona 
sentence t "I shall not come to do battle with 
those in authority. ** That was his msin remax^c 
to the regents just before he came here. 

Fryt And by and large ha didn't t did he? 


Stevenat No« I remember when Sproul was elected president 
he phoned me from Sen Pranciaco* "Can you find 
that sentenee that Wheeler wrote?** I aaid^ "Yea* 
I oan find it for you," 

Fryt That's s pretty importent sentence for sny incoming 

president to have* (Leughtar) 

SteYenat But I don't know how he ever uaed it» or whether he 
uaed it 9 but anyhow ha wanted to know juat what it 
aaidy so I told him* 

Stavanat I think the cloaeat he ever eama to that remark after 
he wee president was in his inaugural addreaa in the 
Greek Theatre. One atatement he made in there waa^ 
"We have an excellent Univeraity." or worda to that 
affect, "from the faculty down to the preaident." 
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Frys #• hm looted upon the presidenoy •• • sort of 

glorlfi«d Janitorshlpi h« did th« bouMilMeplng for 
0fm facolty so tbmy eoal<i operate* 

Stevenst That* a right* 

Fryt Who were Barrow^a good frleoda? 

Stevenai Oh* It* a raalljr hard to aay* One very good friend he 
had at that tisia waa Jamaa T, Alien* profeaaor of 
Greek* He was the flrat that oame raahlng In* threw 
hia anw around him and called hia "David*" You aee^ 
Berrowa eaiaa hare from the Philippiaeai he wee director 
of edueatlon there* 

Fryt Hiawone vaa aayiag that aaaia people had grave qualifioa 

tiona about Barrova aa a eandldate for the preaidenay 
becauae aa dm^n of the feoultj* he would frequently c 
In and aak Wheeler for a couple of weeka off or ao* Ba 
would go to Mexico for a while end then ha would ooaa 
back dirty and happy to raauna hia dutiaa afrain* Thay 
felt he waa too erratic* 

Atavanat That* a right* Whan he wee praaident* it waa too aan* 
flningi he couldn't atand that* 8a eoalda*t ba 
preaident week after wa«k and «feek aftar week* He'd 
have to branoh out and do aona thing alae* And then ha 
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in» ^'ou knowy some officers fpom the outside, end they 
would spend half s day with hin and everything would 
go to pot* Appointments all eaneelled 9116 everrthing 

Prys It rauat have been hard on the office ataff • 

M ^mmnBi Oh, it waa* He'd laugh about It, y^u know; he knew It 
wasn't the right thing to do* • 

Fry: X)ld you have to eelm a great many ruffled feculty wrnwt^ 

Wj« who found their appolntnant oancalled? 

Stevenai Kc* There waa one thing, though. Anybody that eane to 
aae him would be greeted with a "Cone In, hello, how are 
you*** He wasn't like Sproul* You couldn't even get in 
to aae Sproul unleas you had an appointment* And nany 
tlmea you eouldn*t ^t an appolntnant for a eouple of 
weeka« w, flrtt c it 

Pryi Very hard to aae* 

Steve nat Well, he had to work it that way I he'd never get anything 
dona* i^ *^**" ^^ 

Fryt Barrowa took over when the UnlTeraity waa bocadng* Thara 

was that financial crisla in Barrowa* flrat year whan 
the Unlveralty went into the red for the flrat time be* 
eauae appropriatlona ware geared to aaveral yaara bafora* 
How did thla affeet the faculty? 

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orrioa* It was all dona in the eon^troller's orflca and 

in the reganta' flwatinga thamaalves* So the ofrie« I was 

in ifaan*t very mueh upset about It except the tlaN vhsn 

they closed the banks and you oouldn*t get anj money* 

Fryt Oh» you mean when Sproul was in offioe. 

S^vena: That was about that time* Rooaevelt closed the bsnks 
for three days^ I think* You couldn't get sny money* 
I suppose they kept open just for effect^ you know, 
more than anarthlng else* It didn't laat long* Then 
we had that paper money, you know, that was no good* 
Xou couldn't buy anything with it to speek of— like 
food now end thexu 

Then during World Wsr II everybody would run to 
the meat market during their lunch hour and get what- 
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Pryt If you had the atampa* 

Stevenas Yea* Oh, it was terrible* 

Fryt Yea, I think uniTamitiea in general had a pretty diffi* 

cult time feeding atudenta too, at that time* 
Stevenat Yes, I remember atanding out in front of the neat market 

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frequently devoted part of hla prtaidentlal reporta to 

the governor pointing out the need for higher aalarlea* 

But« on the other hand, aome of the profeasora who 

were unhappy heret probably for a number of reasona 

around 1920» aald that they dldn*t think Wheeler 

wanted them to have very much money, that If they 

didn't have much money they'd be better profeaaora* 

(Laughter) Of oourae, in thoae ^aya, I*ve forgotten 

what Wheeler got aa pre aidant. I think he got t 10, 000 

a year and then he went up to $12^000 eventuelly*^ 

That was good money in thoae daya. I don't know what 

they get now, I think $25^000 or something like that* 

You don't think he begrudged high aalariea? 

Oh no* No* 

Well, when Barrowa came in I think hie aalery and the 

comptroller* a aalary were identioel* 

Probably, yea* 

Why do you aay "probably?" 

When they created the poaltion of aoaqitroller it waa 

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And both reaponaible to the regentaT 

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wss going out I they were going to hsve e new president; 

that waa all right; he knew that* But when they elected 

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Sproul he waa a bit upset, because Sproul was not sn 

educator. He was a buainess man* 

Ppyi Whom would he rather have? 

fttevenst He thought they should go out and get acne big edueetor. 
But I think he got over thet finally* He uaed to eone 
around a good deel after he left the nniTersity* until 
his eyesight failed* But he was very much intereate^ 
in the University end he thought the president waa 
really a big man in the University. And therefore thet 
they should not elect a buaineas nan* He didn't make 
much fuss about It, but he was upset* 

I think some of the regents felt thet the University 
was so large, at that time, that it needed e bualneaa mui* 
Let the business Baa be president, then he*d choose his 
faculty, and theae big men from the feculty could run 
the aeadenic aide* 

Fryt And make the president a aort of glorified conptreller* 

Veil, the regenta, too, were nearly all buaineas aen, to 
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Stevens! Which it really is now. 

Vvyt You mean it really la a buaineas institution now? 

Stevens I Yes^ X think so^ yes* Oh, it has an excellent faoulty^ 
^, but it is so Isrge thst it has to be looked upon ms a 

Pryt The buaineas part of it is overwhelming* 
Stevens t Yes* 
Pryt It took time to get the office of the con5)t roller bssk 

under the president 8ic;sin* 
Stevens 3 Yes* I remember when Sproul osna across the hall when 

be was elected president* He ssid, **Well9 it*s gattlng 

to be s big institution* It*8 s big job to run it, but 

I guess it can be done." He went to work* 
Frjl Thst was his opening remark* 
Stavenss That wss his opening remsrk, yes* 
Fryt Wellt when Campbell became president did he still osrry 

on his directorship of the Observstory? 
Stevens t He hung on to s good desl of it for s tiiasy and then 

T)r* Wright becasis director* But Campbell alwayn kept 
» hia fingara on thinga* I don*t think so much thst ha 

was afraid— ha was reslly inte rested | be had spent all 

his life with that aort of thing* 
Wwft Hetd really developed it , too* But when ha waa hare la 

Berkeley and waa director of Liok, who waa in authority 

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think the first director thaj had was named Tttckar* 
Then whan he left or retired, Wright became director. 

Fryt Tou liiain after Campbell gave up hia direetorahip* 

Stevenat Taa« 

Prjs Oh, well I mean before he gave it up* For a while ha 

waa both preaident of the Univaraitj and director of 
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Stavenas Oh yea, but that waa Juat for a few months, a abort 

Prjl That waa part of hia contract, but than ha finally 6%^ 

cidad he couldn't do both? 

Stavena: Yes, that' a right* 

Frys Tou ware telling me about aoma of the profeasora who 

ware on good friendly terms with Wheeler, and I think 
we talked aome about Oarrowa* What about CarapbellT 
Who %«are hia real warm frienda? 

Stavanst He didn't have any on the eampua* Ha had been in 
' Aatronoray in Lick Obaenratory ao long* '^ 

Pryt Bs really didn't know too many? 

Stevenax Ha didn't know many, no* Ha really didn't want'%e aasw^ 
I don't think* He felt he waa too old at that tima^ 
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Fryl Oh reallj* How did he and Crocker know each other? 

Stevens s Through Lick Observatory* Crocker gave a lot of money 

%o Liek Observatory, '^^a^ shortly after CaiBpbe|.l , . 

same down hare, he came out with a new Cadillac on« 

Fry I Who? 

Stavenas Canqpbell. And I think that Cadillaa was given to him 

by Regent Crocker, Campbell always liked to have the 

ahiniest esr on the block* And it wss, too| he kef^t 

it thst way» jL* * 1 . 

Fryi It was a reel presldentisl chariot* Barrows didn't 

have anything like this, did he? 
Stavenat Oh no* Ko, ha ditet^ hava fay automobile! he roda 

his horse s round* (Lsughtar) 

, ._ ,^ Running the Office of the Praaidant 

Pryt In moat cf hia adminiatrstion, do you think Sproul 

had the backing of the regenta? 

Stevenat Oh yea, I think ao* Ha had hia troublaa like thay all 
have, but he got along wall with thesu I don* t think 
ha was turned down on any raoomniandations ha ever made* 
He might have had to pat up fn Qjgy—nt now and again^ 
but he got along wall with thaa* 



yyjt ^fhat*s th» one impression I got from talking to people 

•bout Wheeler» too* How was it to work for Sproul? He 
waa very effioient» vaaa*t JaaJ ^ ^ ^ ^^ 

Stevenat Oh f»m Be vaa a hard worker, too* Of ooarae^ I knew 
him aa a atudent* 

frft Oh« I didn't know that* 

SteTenat Tea* And then when he beoene eeeiatant coiq^t roller 
£Z had a good deel to do with him* He waa only aeroaa 
the hall* I aaed to eell hlM "Bob*** And* of eourae* 
when he beeeme president I had to forego that faailiarity. 
Bat we got elong well* Aa I aey» he wes e herd worker* 
And he didn't ever have time for Tery mueh tOA*foole rj^ 
•Jcoept sa he went home in the evening or oeme in in the 
cvoming* bat the reet of the time ha wee all boalnaaa* 

Fryt Fven through limch« probably* 

Stevens t Yes* Vt ry often he wouldn't go to luneh* 

Fryt Vhat did he do? 

Stevenat Juat kept right on working* 

Fryt ^Vhat about coffee breeke for the of floe ateffl 

Stevenai Oh* thoae were unheard of in thoae daya* Ho^ we didlatt 
heve any eoffee breeke* Then Sproul would eome in with 
Tmmnm partioular thing— oh* aaybe it would be a quarter 
to five* aXiioat quitting tlae* you know— end he'd went 
aonething* *'Vill you do thla for aiar I Med it toni#it*" 
pMifbe it wee e two*hour job* Bitt it would be dene* 

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It %fp8 ooR^thing rosily l«portontf ho'd oono out and 

vontSor why you dldn*t go homo* Cosipboll VO0 oppotit«f 

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Csmpbell hsd the budgst strugglss too* 

Oh yea^ yes* Of eoursSf he hsd s budgst eoMmittss* 

Thst eoHDittse vould considsr fsoulty promotions* 

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T>ssn Hsrt sncl Assooists Hssn Woods* Bsldvin Woods Istsr 

bscsns dirsetor of the University Extsnsion rivision* 

Those two 9n^ the pi^sidsnt would go OTsr thsss fsealtj 

Mconmendstions end either spprovs or not* 

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whether they were up on the carpet or not. These com- 
mittees would go over their past records end consider 
whst the rmn were r^olnf; now* A nen never knew he was 
beinr put on the carpet* Sprpul carriec? that right on 
through his eciminlstratlcn* They get a fsir hearing, I 

Fry I Tea, alnce it 5 s the judgment of many people » inataad 

of Just one, 1 a I 

Stevenas Yesy in8tea<i of one* Wheeler uaed to make up hia own mind* 
Vellf that couldn't be done any more. Too big* 

Prys Do you think Wheeler advenced aona a lot faatar than othara 

on his own personal approval? 

Stavenai I think so. He knew pretty well what aaob man on the 

faculty waa doing* He knew whether he waa f.jpood ttachar 
or whether he was not* 

Pryt How did he find out these things? . ^^^ j 

Stevensi Ha uaed to visit the ^Iffses* . w , ^^^ „j.^ ^^ 

Pryt Oh he did* 

Stevens: Oh yes* He*d pop in once in s while » you know* Oh yeSf 
he kept sn eagle aye on moat of tham* ^^. ^. 

Pryt It would laava • pro feasor somewhat ahakan thaaa daya if 
the president should suddenly wslk in in the middle of mn 
alssa* (Laughter) _ ^^ 

Stevenat Wheeler would walk in the baok of tha room and ait down* 

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Stcvpnst Very little* He tried to teach after hie retlreraent. 

Re had a class, but he didn*t stay with it very long« 

He taught "Cowparative Religion." ^e-grtf fot t j.^. 
Pry 2 I remeraber reading that; and he had m oXaaa in tha Bibl* 

once at Cornell, m I'i&n^t hav« mints «!«»# fx 

fttevenat His father was a Baptist ministar.^ Bi)t W>^eler didn*t 

teach long after he waji retired^ ^i^^ ^ ^^^ 

Fry I 1f^ll» hi a health ntuat hava improved a little, though, if 

he vaa sbla to taach* n ^i\ ._i« ^^^ 

Steve net Yer,^**^ "^ '^* or »©:«« thing - , 

Wryt 8a did oome to the president's of floe aone* 

Stevenat Oh, *^arrows uaec^ to call him in quite often* to get hia 

advice on different 1 terns » you know* Ba*d always com#« 
Fryt 8o he really did take an active part even after he rttirad. 

I In tellinir what it was like to work under thaaa 

univrrslty presidents » you spoke of how these man addreaaad 

the p««^e with whom they worked • What did Mr* Vbaclar 

call you? 
Stevens) Ha ealled everybody ^Miater*** Formal* 
Fryt Vaa Barrows alao rather fomal— did be eall than all 

Stevens t No. I remember he'd rithar say **Cartwright»** or "Morse," 

Firat nana a aoroetiraaai aomatimea juat the laat naaa. 

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Stevens: He called me "Frank." -^ ^ 

Fryt Was Barrows very aensitlve to the needs ef the students? 

They seemed to hsva a very vsm ragsrd for him* 
Stevanat Tea, they <^id. But he was so Involved with his University 

duties at thst time ha didn't hsva much time to mix with 

atudents* Of eourse« ha went to tha football ganaa ilka 

all the other pre aidants f end thay gara him a big valaoMSt 

you know. But thay wouldn't coma into hla office, like 

they did in Vheeler*s time. Just drop in, you know, and 

lay **hello" or something of that kind* 
Pry I Well, was this becsuse the TJnlvarsity wss much larger? 

Stavenas That's it, jraa. Pldn't heve time* ^'^ 
Pryt Tell me if I'm right on this. Is it true that tha 

k TTnlversity adminiatration tcok a bip: jump in eomplaxi€y 

between Wheeler and Barrows, end aroiuid the faculty 

revolution— right after the war? **^* 
dtavenat Yes. That* a right* That began right af%ar Whaalar retired* 

It atarted booming then. Barrowa oama in, then whan 

Campbell came in it wae very complex* 
Fryf Taa, than you have the souths m branch* 

Stavenat And then Sproul came in with thinga right at their peak^ 

you know* There weren't enough houra in tha day, than, 

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Fryt Did Barrows harf about the •ama da an aat*up that 

Wbaalar did to halp him in tha adnlniatratlTc atr*aoture? 

Stavenat Ko» he had a dean of letters and acleace, and a dean of 
. atudents, and a dean of this and a dean of that*. x^^-ci?* 

Pryt But ha didn't have an adviaory council. 

Stevena: No. He did that all himself • 

Fry! For the whole three yeara? \sr. 

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Fryi And then CaTnphell— 

Stevens: He had a dean of the Univeraity. That waa Walter Korrla 
Hartf ,§u4 WQodf vaa aaaociata dean* Bat they were thara 
every day In the office with Campbellt both of %!bmm» Hart 
was not aa active aa VJocds* Wooda waa a aort of glorified 
^j^^V9t%^y to the presiden^^ jou^ might say I ha took aara 
of muaj things unbeknown to Fraaident Canpbellt ha*d alwaya 
tell him what was going on, but Campbell wouldn't bother 
him| he*d juat let hiM work thinga out hijiaalf « 
I Fryt Oh, did he go through Hart? 

Stavenat No, he hac3 direct aoceaa to tba praaidanti if ha doubta4t 
aona thing In hi a own mind than he would go to Hart and f 
. aay, "What do you think of thia and that." , t,,^ ,, 

Fryt And than Sproul waa in tha bualnaaa end of it* T>id ha 

ooma in quite often too? 

Stevenni HQt very of tea^ But Preaident CanpbaXI ifould go to hiit 
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Stevens: Yet, eXthough he left Sproul eloce* **That*8 yx>\XT basinets. 

Yoa run that." That wee his sttltude. 
Vrft iiov, Kerritt was arotind a little while, wesn*t he, efter 

Barrows came in office? 
Stevenst Tea, he was oomptroller for a little while; then he re« 

algaed, r^nd Sproul became comptroller. »^-'5 
Pryt ]|^»rrltt W9s the one, wasn't he, who really bolted Barrows 

for president? 
Stevenst Yea* V/ell, at that time, too, there was sons eensldsrsble 

st tent Ion being given to Merrltt himself* 
Pryt And then Merrltt took hla own name out, didn't hat 

Stevenat X don't think It ever got that far* I remember Wheeler 

thinking of Barrows, although Merrltt' a nave waa being 
I oonsldered by some of the regonta* So It was not sn 

unsnlmous sort of thlng#r«. tv 

FZ7I Wall, then you think Merrltt reelly did went the presl* 

denoy? u»« 

Stevenst Oh, I think he would hsve taken it If it wsa offered, but 

I don't think In hla own mind he ever felt thet ha would 
; actually be ohoaen* At that tlsia, yoa sae, thsp raganta 

ware afraid of appointing a bualnaas nan* 
Fry I Oh, they were* 

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Stevens t an administrator was needed* 

Pryt Vallf thany did Barrcws and Merritt have any informal 

disousdions? Were they good friends? They had been 

together for a long time. 
Stavenst Oh yes* They were good friends* Most of their discussions^ 

I thinky were carried on around the campas somewhere. 
Fry: Someone « I think it was Merritt himself, said that Barrowa 

was rathar ccoX toward him after he became president. 

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Stavena: I didn* t notice it* It might have been, but I didn't 

Fryx Then Canpbell ceme in and thinga began to pet very 

ccmplicatad, and Los Angeles reslly bepran growin/; then* 

Did Director Moore come up to the office very much? 
Stevens: Not very much* Campbell always went to Los Angelas when 

the regents met down there* So I think he went down mora 

than Moore came up* 
Pryt Moore* a oonmunioations, then, involving the changes at 

Loa Angeles were more by letter? 
Stevens t Yes* 

Fryt Wcs Moore a atrong Wheeler type? 

Stevenat Yes, he belonged, as we aay, to the old achool* 
Fryt You mean a aort of "r)© it ycuraelf" school? 

Stevensi Yes* 
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cerrled over In his personelity. 

Stevens: Ye&^ Even when he wee on the feculty here, before fee 

went down to Los Angeles, he wss professor of edaeetion* 
You*d never heer much ebout him, Bnd you'd never find 
Mfii !filxln?p In Very much with the other feculty «§mber«# 
He wee mere to himself* 

Pryt Wee he hlc^ly regsrded ss e professor? 

Stevens t Ob yes. He wee well liked end, ss I sey* be wee up here 
8 little W83re* (gesturlnip;) 

Prys A little bit ebove, 

Stevens! Yes, thst*8 rlcrht* 

Fry: Vhet wan the meln Issue during Csnpbell*s term? 

Stevens) Of course he wes very mueh Interested, even though he wee 
president. In the estronomicel field* He went to the 
Mek Observetor;^ ftt'leest onee e moAth, ip^nt the weekend 
up there, pacing over verlous things thet he hed left when 
he emine down to Berkeley* So he spent e good deel cf tlae 

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Cempbell wen e men who wes reluetent to let go of things* 
tn other words, he didn't ti^et the other fellow too >«ieh 
in eerrying out whet he thought ehould be done* But la 
the office he relied e greet deel on hie deens* Re felt 
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handy he elweye had his ssy* He'd sound them out« you 
knowf **Vihst do jou think of this?**. Desn Hsrt was one 
of these very susve individuals, you know; if he didn't 
believe in s thing* he didn't hesitste to say so. And 
Woods would fall in between, 

Prys Oh» was Woods a sort of srbiter then* trying to recon* 

cile any differenees? 

Stevens! So* Vooda wiis s peculiar typei Z don't say it to criticise 
him, but he would slwsys try to fit his ideas in with the 
other two* to make it smooth over s little bit* you know. 

Frys Combine his with theirs. 

Stevens t Yes, that's right* He was a vrry successful director of 
University Extension* I think; he stsjrad on, you know^ 
even sfter he retired in e sort of sdvisory espsoity* 

Pry: To Extension* 

Stevens: Yes* 

Fry: One of Campbell's concerns when he wss president seemed 

to be the relstionship of the University to the junior 


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•chad* Sio undergraduates* 
Fryt Even upper dlvlslor* would he r^cue? 

Steveiuii y«s« Sa purel/ g grf-custc .scii.ol. 
Fryi Vhu would be haying the upper dlvleion? 

atevafuit Vfally h« v<^^l^ leave that to Loa AngcleiifV ^^t na^ atlU 


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Fry: In thia report of Cawrpljelt'^s that you gavi »#; n* wpfitsd 

to keep the teaclier^a college entirely separate fron the 
liberal arts an'l acience college iQ I'Os Angeles* But ^^ 
Ms idee aecioed to be that tlie t^ingi^ tiiit' hsd baen doM 
about Loa Angeles befo;« he beoaiaa pi^aident vera e sort 
of unguidad aerie a of evcata withcut any nain philosophy 

Steyenat That* a right. Lai^ly <^uet I thinks to Mocra« 

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Stevena: Veil, I think Moure ectually vante^ a tmlTeralty at ^os 
Angelea oosiparabla to the otoe'^ in BartiAtyt btit sapgrat*; 

Fryt Separate* Yoj mean with a acparate bcardt 

Stayenat Tea» that woald be one university snc* this wo^^^d be 
another. T think he leanad that way» and of eouraa 

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Pryt ^ In other voiMs not exactly like It already exists today* 

Stevens! Ho. No, it woul^ be e s^perste thine today; their own *• 
board of rcff*»nt8 and everythln?* It would split the 
atete educationally* 

Fryt Ref7srdlniT eatebllshinR dolle*^ a in various dlatrlcta In 

Cplifornle, Cawpbell aaid acmethlnp about if their 
atwdcnta »re ao weak in character that they cannot- 
iifely f^o hundred mil<»B or five hundred miles mny 
from home to attend a ^ood oolle.C!:e, they don't deaerve 
a p:ood college or ewn a poor colle^* (Laui^iter) Waa 
i-^^^r ^ fre<iuently that blunt in hia viewpointa? 

Stevens: Oh yea. Yes. I auppoae he jrot that from hia aoientific 
!nin(?: everrthinr had to be 5^8^ ^^ ^*** uolnt. 

Ppyt He certainly sale? it exactly aa It occurred in hia «ind« 

Stevena: That's right* 

Pry: Were hia views really that atrong? 

Stevena: Yes, he was that way* 

There was one university In the Baat at that tima 
trying to find a rrpod pre aidant* I think it waa tha 
Univeraity of Chicec^o, but I'm not aura* I think Praai- 
^ent CaftYpbell got an imi^iry from aonabody if ha had anj 
candidate In mind and he reeomrtended Vooda* Wooda waa • 
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Stevens: Oh yes, very much, '^t I wss rather gla<! that he didn't 

get Itt He was the trpe of man on the order of Barrowa** 

hip^h stT\iTig, Hervous tension all the time. But he waa 


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They'd come In on one elde 9n6 walk aeroaa the field to 

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the other. Yon know, the studenta, instead of ehaerlng 

Campbell, would wave their handkerchiefs, 

Fryt (Lf)ughter) Not as a white flag, wea It? 

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Fryi Was Campbell Interested In sporta like that? 

Stevens: Yes, he went to ell the football gaxnea; he want to all 

the basketball pames* 

Pry: Did he alt vlth the players? 

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Stevens: Yes. 

Pry: Did he ever go baok and talk to than In the locker roosMiT 

Stevena: Ho, I don't think so. Soine of the students, while they 

llkad him and respected hln, I think looked upon him aa, 

what ahall I aay, sn **old fogla." 
Pry: I remamber Portune magaslne quoted aome anonynoua alumnus 

as saying the students felt that Oampball looked at than 

through the wrong end of the talaaeopa* 


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Frji I wonder if he really was quite that distent. >?oald 

they drop into his oiTice at all? 
Stevensi Yes, they'c' come in. T think he was tntt distant, Mt 

&• didn't intend to be. That was his nannerim. Vhan 


he came down here from Lick !t was all Offw to him. And^ 

he tried to be friendly with them. 

Prys But this was a new relationship to him. 

Stevens! Yes, that's right. 

Pryt Well, A3T7C at this tinie had the new charter, and— - 

Stevens t Yes. But he was for ell the student activities and was 
f6Vthem rumiing their own affairs. I don't think the 
students got into any trouble at all while he was praaid«nt( 

Pryt He still let them run their own lives. 

Stevens s Oh yes. 

Fry! Row did the various presidents handle public relations be* 

fors we got a public relations office at the University? 
In other words, when one student would p^ out and make t* 
fool of himself and the press would ^t hold of this, how 
Will this hak(ii*dr ^^ 

Stevens! I don't remember specifically, but what few there were, 
Wheeler alwaya handled himself. I remember atudenta 
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Stevensi tfOy he didn't need a dean. He uaed to handle It pretty 

Jfrjl Vas Barrowa able to organize hla life as president ao 

Pryi *^^ ^ ^^ ^^"^ *^ ^^ *^^«^»ort or Uaiaon ^ 

Stavenas Uh yes* Or course when Barrows vaa ln> atudent ectlvltlaa 

ware handled largely by Morae Cartwrlght* 

Pryt Oh, they ware? 

Stavenax Yea* He waa popular with the studenta and they'd acaHi 
to aee him, talk with hlm» and If Cartwrlght figured 
there waa aoioethlng the pre aidant ought to know about 
or could help with, perhspa he'd go In and tell hisi* 
Cartwrlght was very actlye In atudent affairs* 

l^rys What happened to Merrlaa after Viheelar left? He and 

lR/heeler were auch good friend a; were he and Bsrrowa 
equally aa oloae regarding dutlea of the prealdentT 

3tevens: They were not as closet Barrowa didn't aeek him oat aa 

much as the other prealdenta) he wanted to do it hlmaelf, 
and he didn't bother with anybody elae* 

Fryt Oh« Then, too, he had thla oew ^^^ou^fy ff^t^^^ini^ture 

at that tlioa* In x^3* 

Stevens! Yes. ^^ 

Fry: And hla ohannela of oonmunlcation with faculty needa 
ifirf pretty formal* 

Stevenat Yea, that 'a right. 


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Stevens s Not very mueh; he relied on Deen Hart* 

Fry I Oh he did, ' ^'^ 

Stevens: He hsd closed ooiopittees and feeultf meetings. 

Fry! I see* So Hsrt vgs reslly a sort of liaison between 

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Stevenst Yes, that's right, '^^•» 

Fryl Was Cun^jbell equally cool, did you say, toward other 

faculty membexm? He never did develop any warn friend ahipa 

amonfr the faculty? term ^ ^, the 

Stevenss No, he was always very willing to listen to them and waa 

very courteous, you know, but there were no wazn friend* 

ahips; he wasn't there long enough. 
Fry: Then, too, he cane to the eampua aa the preaidcnti he 

came to the eampua as their boss, and I guess this askes 

s difference. (Laughter) 
Stevens) That's right. 
Fry! Well, Ister on in Sproul's administration there was a 

formal recommendation made that Sproul delepete aoH» of 

hia duties, some of his suthority. He received this 

proposal fro!n the fsculty. This wss in 19ii3. 
Stevens: In 19U3f two yesrs before I left. 

Pry I I guess the wsr waa still going on and thmf wonted hitn 

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Stevens t Viall« I don*t know whether I should saj this for tha 
record or not, bat that v^b elwaya one of 3proul*8 
prol;»l«xna« Ha alwa ja ha 9 its ted to let go of thlnga^^ 
ta delegate authority. He had g!*eat trouble doing 
t>iat« i^any times Dautsch would hesitate to make his 
own decisions for fear thot Sproul wouldn't epprove* 
And in aome inatancea he didn't approve* And that raada 
a little friction, don't jrou know. Put I think, oh, 
perhaps a year or so before Sproul 's terro expired, tha 
fryi regents told him in so many words, **>(e want you to do 

thus and so. Save yourself a let of trouble and work.** 
That we£ the whole problem there* 

Pryt And it came from tha regaats* 

Stevens: It cane froni the regents, yea* 

Fryt,^ And do you remember whether ihia I'aoulty pi-opcaal actually 

went through or not? 

Stevens: 1 don't know* X don't think it did, beeauaa that aort 
of thing juat remained aa it waa« What went en in tha 
regents' meetings, of course, 1 don't know* 

Fryi Inforviation on the executive aeaeicna la a little hard 

to get* Veil, you were apeeking of Sproul and rautach* 
What about Barrowa and Merrian? How did they gat alongT 

•tavenai Thty g9t alon^; very well* Lr* Barrows would be wall 

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think In no Instenoe did he disagree with Merriam* 

Frj: In Barrows* first six months I have hesrd that there 

were a lot of ocnfllcts between oomr it. tees --between 
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the budget committee and other committees, snd be* 

twetn the budget committee and Barrows, rid Merriam 

ever come in to help resclvp these? 

Stevens: No, X don*t think so» X think the 7 were resolved be- 

tween Perrows snd the parties ccnoemed, I don't think 

there was much friction there. 

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six months really went by better than wss expected 

becsuse Sv/mehow these things were resolved. I was 

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trying to figure out how, 

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Stevens: I think it wss done primarily by conversstion. 

Pryt Did Barrows ©Iways hsve one firm stsnd on things? 

Stevens! Mo, he was not whst you might call hard boiled. Rt 

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up his own mind, but he would go to great lengths to 

srbitrate it, to svold sny possible conflict, 
Pryt Osmpbi»ll had run Mek Observatory un a very strict 

hour-to-hour basis, I understand. Were you on s dsily 

schedule like this in his office? '^^* 

Stevens t Well, Campbell Bn6 Sproul were much alike when it came to 

the workinc": c!ay. Campbell would cobw in the BOiuiacp 


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Sunday meant nothing to him, those were just other deya. 

He worked around the clock. Time meant nothing. Aa long 


as he had something to do h€*d do it no natter what tine 


it was. We worked, I think, aa much in the president* a 
houae as we did in the office. 

Frjt And that meant after hours. 

Stevens: Oh yea. Saturday afternoons, Sundays, evenings! he*d call 

ne up meny tines on a Saturday afternoon, or even on 

Sunday morning* **Come up to the presidents* a hooae." Be 

had aome thing on his mind. But I think he did i^t be* 

eauae he had been uaed to working that way. His whole 

life up to the time he became president was in the Liek 

Observatory. He lived there end he worked there , end 

very seldom went off the fountain unless it wes to attend 

meetinga in San Jope or so^^^wherr. Of course, he went 

east a lot to attend ecientific meetlnprs, aatronomioal 

meetinga. He knew of the astronomers Intimately, and 

even after he beceme p real dent he kept *ip hi a Inters at in 

aatronomioal affaire both nationally and interaatiooallj* 
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Fryt And then when he retired I believe he went back to Lick for 

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ha lived In a Sen Frenclaco epa rtment. Whet do jou 
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/ryi then, shortly eftex* thet hie eyesight begen to feil end 

Q X think it sTfeeted his brein; he dida*t vent to be s 

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Fry: Thet*^ a 8heme« So he took hiKself out of Liek elso at that 

ti£;c ? 

Stevens: Yes* 

¥ryi How did Gempbell or Sproul go ebcut getting gifta? 

Veie they aggressive st ell in trying to get particuler 
gifts for the University for partieular thinga? 

Stevenat Ho* That we^ done prime rlly by prominent elumni* Soat 

r iMmbera of the board of regenta were Inatnmentel in gattiag 

large gifts « but 1 think during Sproul*s sdmlnistretion 

yfji gifts begen to come in mainly becsuaa of the reputation of 

the Univei'sity of California* 

Pryt By that time the Univeraity had achieved very wida*apread 

famey and was in itself an sdvertia^ment ao to apeak* 

Stevenat That* a right* Of oourae« during Vdbaelar^a adsiniatratios 

aoBM gifts came in* lie would aolioit rifta— not larga-«%ut 
at that time Mrs* Besrst von inatrunentel in getting gifta 

r tor the UniTarsity outaide of her o\m^ 

Fryt Ohf she waa. 

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Pry I Among her own scqualntanees. 

Stevens s Tea^ that's right* 

Fryt Who war* soma or these, do you remember? 

Stavenas Oh no. It* a gone by ao lonr:, 

Fryt And you said that Vh^^eler did aollclt aoma himself. 

Stevens s Minor gifts, like libraries, or srt eollectlons, or things 

of thst kind. 

Fry: Wsr this mostly by letter? 

Stevens: Yes* 

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Sttsvenst The budget was so simple In Wheeler's time that he msd« 
k It out with his own blue pencil and thst wa? It. 

Fryi Pld he have a faculty comrlttee to help hln with budcrets 

and promotions snd salsrles? 

Stevens! Ko, he did It ell himself. 

Prys Oh, he did. Vie re you avar called in for— 

Stevens: I Wf a called In only when it was oompletedf that la^ 

after he had pone throup'^ It hlmaelf. Then It all had to 
be typed. And then It hsd to be printed* 

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Stevens: Yes* V# didn^t hsve e budget oommlttee until Bsrrows eeme 
in* Bsrrcws ssld^ "Thst*s too much woxk» we gotts get 
more help*" Often we*c^ work ell night en the budget. 

Wrji You Bad Berrows* 

Stevens: Well, there mbs Certwrlght end myself snd Berrows, end 
msybe s stenographer* And the University printer vss 
on hand for the night* I remember we went tc work one 
Biornlng st eight o'clook, end we went home the next 
morning about nine o'clock* We worked right through* 

PryJ Taking th^ facult/ j7ec^oi?u.en<'8tlons* 

Stevens: That's i^lfht, the committee reoommendstlons. Bsprows 
would h»ve to make the final decisions. 

Pry: This wasn't as simple as v'heclar'a* 

Stevens: Ho, it wss terrible • Then the figures had to be put 

together, and the budget bolanoed. Then Dr. Hatfield, 
professor of acoountlng, entered the picture aa acting 
comptroller. That was before Sproul was made comptroller* 
tFpfi Oh, between Herritt and SproulT 

Stevena: Yes* It was just for a abort time. Then ha baoaa« 
fSfd^O^^tha faculties* ti« had to maka the budget in 
thoia daya when the dean of the facultiaa was tha chief 
budget maker* 

Fry: Oh ha did* 

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Stevens: Hlght dot^m his alley, yes, Ue used to call hla the 

''theoretlcel accountent." He knew figures, but he didn't 
know how the budget was put together* Once In a while 
h«*d get things rather messed up, you know. He'd say, 
"You can't r'o that—that isn't the way it's done." 
"What's the matter with that?" we'd say. 
^'He had his own ideas, "Let's do this," and "Let's do 

%'e'd explain to hira, "Veil, that won't woric because 
it won'f fit iVi Wer'hef^.'* '^ ' ' ' ' * ' 

V^ell, he couldn't understand that for a while. He 

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the campus. Tiid he entertain them in his howet 

Stevens: Oh yes* He was married and hac^ two dau;r;htera and one 
aon. The oldest ^irl, l)sn, is msrrisd snd lives in 
Iisfsyette, Flla Barfoiia is msrried to an altoriiey in 
Oakland. I don't know where the younpest prirl Is, 
Vhst wsa her na!^? ^etty. And the aon later hecssio 
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Fry: And wiutli ims th« son's nsms? 

Stevens! Totn* 

Frys Tom Bsrrows? Whst was the difference between the 

president's house under Bsrrows, snd the pi^sid«nt*s 
house undor Wheeler? You told shout how VTieelsr slweys 
hsd ^tiftdsy nlirht sessions and evidently it wes s sort of 
center for s select proup of fsculty. « -. > 

Stevens) Berr^ows didn't heve thst. Of course, they vent to see 

Tr-itt him« but they'd never ko over ther*^ end sit sround snd 

spend the evening:, you know* The fsmily vss too bigt 

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7ryi Fsmily life kind of cnooopsssod his hone, I see* You hsd 

ssid thst Itrs* Wheeler wss e very frsnk, outspoken woman* 

Stevens: Oh yes, she wss one of these snspny typ«(0«r She sold 
what she ssid, in no unoertsln tex^s* 

Pry: ^bb Mrs. Bsrrows thot way too? 

Stevens: So, Mrs* Barrows wes s cfilm sort of individual* Tory 

gracious, you know. She was e Isrge wonsn. 'id I tell 
you the amusinp; Incident I had with Mro« Barrowat 1% 
wasn't amoain^ at the time* They had a large dinnar 
party, and Barroira himaolf , walking from his of flea to 
the praaidant's house In the sftemoon, met Professor 
Priestly* Ha aaid, '*Coma on over to the bouae tonight 
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the table for him to alt* (Laughter) Mra« Barrows 
called me up the next morning and aaid* **Vho on earth 

^^ . invited Professor Prieatly to dinner last nifditT". 

X S8ld» "The president did that himself." 
She seidf **! thought laaybe you did*** 
tbov "^®» ^ wouldn»t do a thing like that," I aaid. 
"Well, he came and there was no plaee for hlat 
we finally figured it out*" She waa quite upaet* 

Fryt Barrows had just forgotten to tell her* 

Stevenat 1 think the worst time I had, though, with Hrs* Barrows 
was when I wss supposed to balance the Barrowa* bank 
account at the end of each month, end it would never 
wm out right* X told him one day that X did not hav« 
mach lack with hia bank account* He laughed and aaid^ 
"Well, X don*t wonden" Well, what happened was Hra* 
Barrows would write checks end never enter emounts in 
the stub* X even went to the benk one day, and they '- un 
gave up* 

Fryi This sounds like e typicel harraased mother* (Lauchter) 
Did you take eare of Wheelar'a pereonal benk eecouatf 

Stevenat No, no he did that himaelf* %tn «• 

Fryi Or Campbell* a? 

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Stevenat Sha was that t3rp«> you know* I think aha* a atill living 
In tha Eaat* I think ahe imxat be about ninety now* 

Frji She did quite a lot of entertaining then? 

SteTenat Quite a lotf jaa* 

Pry I More than Mra« Barrowa? 

Steyenas Oh yes* Going back to Campbell: He was laughing one day 
•bout going to the dentiat at the time the faadly liTed 
dn Mt« Hamilton* When the tine would eome for tha thxva 
boya to go to the dentist they would 8ay» ''Goody, goody: 
We can go to town*** (Laughter) 

Pryt Well, yeat I guaas; he wea rather iaolated up there, waan*t 


Stevens s Velly it was tough in those deys» you know| it wss twenty* 
firm miles up that winding road, before automobilest and 
it took aome time to get up there. He told about a wan 
that waa menagar of tha Weatern Union Telegraph Office in 
San Joae* He got an important telegram for Lick Obaervatory 
late in the eftemoon* And the telephone wirea were down 

Pry: between San Joae and Mt« Hamilton^ ao he couldn't phona the 

■aaaage* So the manager hired a horae and buggy and droT« 
up that night* Ha apant orar half tha night getting up 
there and back to deliver that one meaaaga* On dirt roada 
in thoae daya* 

Pryi Didn't Mra* Sproul have a peraonal aacretary aa her role 

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to do to have a full-time aecratary* I think Terj often 
aha'd oall in aome aenior atudenta* or aomething of that 
kind, to do e apaeial Joht But aha did raoat of har ovn wc rk« 
Sha even did har o%m ahopping* Z*Ta nat har down town naaj 
tlmaa in marketa* She vaa a hard worker* She wea thrown 
into thia thing all of a audden, but aha ran it beautiful* 
If 9 and everybody admired the way ahe conducted the saay 

Fryl All the entertaining end everything* She Juat went right 

ahead and did it* 

Stevenas Tea* ahe went right ahead and did it* 

Fryl Were there any people who went over informally to Preaidant 

Sproul*a houae? 

Stevenat Quite e number* The children were quite amell whan Sproul 
became preaident* and it waa a lively family* Even ao, 
there ware quite a number of informal dinner partiea* Sproul 
really enjoyed good fellowahip* 

Pryt That would have been quite a Job, then* 

Stevenat One day the boya. Bob end Johnny, went to a filling atatian 
on the corner of Hearat Avenue and Oxford Street to gat 
aoBW road mapa* They told the attendanta, ''You know we*ra 
the aona of Dr* Sproul, Preaidant of the Univeraity of 
California*'* The attendanta got quite a boot out of it* 

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Fry; Thi$y w«rt going to pull all the strings thej could* 

Stevens: Right* 

Fvjt Vtll, I think it would be difficult to rear children 

in • oollega president's houss* 
Stevens! Thejr all tamed out very well, though; both the bojs 

ara attorneya, and the daughter is married to an at* 

tomey, Mr* Goodin* Isn't ha a regent now? I think 

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Wrji Wh«n Sproul cnmB in, how did he feel about the feeultyt 

Did jou get any inkling about hi a attitude? 

SteTenaf I think hia whole attitude vss that It waa a good 

faealty, and he looked upon hiraaelf as working for a 
faculty. In hia inaugural addreas he iinplied aa muehi 
he stated in one place f **This ia a great UniTeraity, 
from the faeulty down to the preaident." That waa hia 
whole attitude. 

Pryt Ha really felt that they had a auperior place? 

Stevenat That* a right* 

Fry I He felt they were auperior in what way? 

Stevenat Well, I think he felt that after ell the UniTeraity ia 

aa good as ita faculty. And orer the yeara he felt that 
the men who were gethered here et that time from all 
eomera of the world were a a good aeadeAieally aa he 
eould get anywhere. 

Fryt How did he manage to keep acaie of the good faeulty who 

did atay when all the aalariea had to be out in 193^ m6 

Stevens I Well, that waa done largely between the preaident and 
the budget oonmittee. For inatanee, a profeasor here 
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StiTenst salary* Sproul would liira^^iittly refer It to the budget 
committee and thej vould go into it rerj thoroughly. He 
might even say to them in the first instance t "Ve don't 

'^^' went to lose this men, hif*t~ tic Valuable •"Thin Hii citti* 

mittee woul'l go to work sn^ after careful eonsideretion 
mske 8 recoirrmendaticn that they wanted to keep hiai* Tben 
^' Sproul would eall the men in and go over It all with hia« 

and nine timee out of ten he would stsy* 

Fryl ' And they continued to stay all through thoae oriaeay 

^^' didn't they? 

Stevens t I know. 7>r« tawrenee was epnroaehe^ one tiiaa hy the 

TTniversity of Texas to come down there. And of eouraCf 
everybo^^v^ knew that he was a valuable men, I don't knew 

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Vhat persusded him to stay except thet pemaps it wee not 
so much s matter of aalery aa it was a natter of equipaent 
or ftmds to carry on hia ezperimantal work* But anyway * 
he decided to atay* 

Fryt How did Lawrence get the money for the eyelotron at first? 

Stevens t His first stom smasher wee s very small one* He convinced 
himself that it would reslly work* And I think the aoney— 
"^ I don't know whether it was "given outright or whether he 

solicited funds— but it csne sbout through Regent Villisa 
H* Orocker* They estsblished whet wss csUed the Crocker 
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Frj: Did Sproul play any part In thia? 

Stavenat I don't think ao^ no« Perhapa ha did aftar Cx»ookar had 

nada known his intantions* 
flPjrf X haard that Hildabrand helped him get funda for the firat 

larga eyclotr(»i« Do you know anything about that? 
Stevena: No* Lawrencet you knoWf waa profeaaor of phyaiea. 
Fryt Sproul waa always buay with aoma thing outaida the UniTeraity 

too, waan't he? 
Stevena: Oh yea, he waa going hither and yon« 
Fryt Tea, things such a a membe rahip on the coonittee for re* 

^ Tiaing the aonstitution of Celif omia juat aa ha aaaa into 

office. X)o you rananibar hia connection with that? 
Stevens t I>on*t remember much about that, no« 
Fryt Z don't know whether he actually ^id vary much, 

I vaa wondering if you knew anything about how nCLA 

managed to get a graduate achool juat whan all the aelariaa 

ware being cut in the financial criaia* Thia aeeaad a 

little curioua to na« Do you know how that happanadt 
Stevena t Ko, I*ra blank on that* Probably done largely in tha 

faculty in the academic aenata* 
Fryt At the aarae timef or a little bit latar« there waa tha 

anti-Oommuniat bill paaaed by the aaaaibly— whiah never 

did actually beeoaa a law— but while it waa up for debate 

a group of profeaaors h«re protaated it« 
Stevena I The man who had to do with that vaa Mr* Oorlay* Ha ia 


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legislature; he ves up there at the time end vent right 
through the vhole thing* 

Frys When the legisleture asked Sproul to rebuke thee« 

eighteen professors, was there anything that happened 
r at that time that you« personally, took part in or 

■ remembexNidT 

Sterenat 9o, I think that vas all done between Sproul and Corley* 

Pryt So Corley actually, then, vas the one vho oonteoted tha 


Sterenst That's right* 

7ryt Row did Sproul and Dean Hart get along? 

Btavaiut They got along very veil* Of cearaa« aa aoon a a Sproul 
easM in. Hart went out* 

Fryt Oh, ia that vhen he vent out? 

Stevenat Yea* Hart and Wooda and Campbell vent outf and Sproul 

came in. But they alvays, even vhan Sproul vaa aoaiptroller 
and Canpbell and Hart vera there, got along very veil* Hart 
kept all of his fingera on the aeadeaic pulaef ha didn't 
interfere vith the buaineaa aide at all* Ha left it op to 


Fryt Vaa there any talk of Rart for pre aidant? 

Stevenat No, I never heard it aaid* Hart vaa a vary auave individoal. 
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away* But ha waa that type of van* He vas well likad 

by the faculty* In fact they uaed to coim to aae id.n 

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frft It looks like the faculty would have nadt a atrong bid 

for hlia aa preaident* 

Stevexuis Well» I think they ni^^t have. Re waa not that kind of 
an adminiatrator* Hie would have gone all to piaoea 
getting into wranglea with the regantai ha like to ait 
in hia ofrioe and aettle thinga ia hia own way* You 
ean*t do that with the regenta* 

Fx*y9 I aak you that beeauae a friend of mine whoae huaband 

was on the faculty then thought that Hart ej^acted to 
be aakad to be praaident* _ _ ^ ^^ 

SteTenat Vell» ha might have» al though I oevar hrird. 

fryt That was Juat a ahct in the dax4(« Vhan Sp roiil firat 

came in, could you daaoribe your dutieat 

Stevenat When he firat a«na int 

Fpyt Firat**and then how the offiee changed. 

fttaTenat Well, when he firat came into offiae» I aakad hisi one 
(Jaj^what he wanted tm %o d*« And ba aaid^ **Velif you 
go ahead and do what you^Te alwaya been doing, ^nd if 
I don't like it 1*11 tell you." And that*a the way I 
atarted**! ^uat went on* And gredually he worked hia 

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So wf job grow np Xlko Toptf from thon on| b/B*6 Mao out 
to «t sad aajr^ **Whf don't 70a toko ehorso of thlof"** 
nhOtOYor it sislit bo* X^ ooy* *iroU, oil wti^%.^» 
'^^ f Itnd thon vhtn one of tho girlo In tho off loo ottoaptod 
to mn hio colondor for hln but oho did thingo ho dldn*t 
lilro. Sproal vould 00 j» "Whot did jou lot this «on ooat 
in fopt I don*t vont to ooo him** X roaonibor oao Of 
oho broko down In tooro ond ooid^ "I oon*t do thio.** So 
thon ho Oisiio out to no ond oold^ *Vh3r don't you tiy your 
hond ot thiot* I ooidf *X donH wont it* X know how . 
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'^^^' "Voll» go olMiod Md try it» We«ll soo whot m omi 

do,* Woll» X triod it, from thon until tho Uw X loft* 
But I don*t think it evrr would work thot woy« Ro would 
put ono ohook in front of non'a nono for "urgont," two 
ohoeko for ''not qui to so urgont, V ond throo ohooko» '*no 
hurry.** V0II9 if o nonlbor of tho fooulty wonted to 000 
tho preoidont* you oouldn*t toll hiA* **Vell, you eon*t 
•OBO ia tor throo wooko yot»* Oi wonted to ««■• rigk* 

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c^ Of oouroOf X got Sproul*o point* Ho didn't wont 
people orowding in on hia oil doy lonm ho wonted to kaow 
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So this thing never worked; I don't know If he kept it 
up or not after I left* ^ - - . 

Fryt Ohf you had to find out what they were eosdng for* 

Stevens: Oh yes* A man would call on the phone, "When can I 

see the president?" . ^^^ ^ 

rilv "Veil, what* a the trouble?".- 

**Vell, Vd like to talk to hin about thus-end-ao.** 
^^,.. **A11 right." We*ll aay it waa urgent* "Caaa in 
dpy ^ftar topQrrow at two o'clock^ That's •!! rlgH^ta"^ 
Another man would call ops "Veil, ha* a pretty busy now* 
It will be about two weeka*" And then he would get acre* 

Pryi Did they ever compare notea? ..4 » ^^ .^^^ 

Stavenai Vo, X don't think ao* 

Fryt They juat didn't want to wait two %ieeka* 

Stevenai Didn't want to wait, no* 

Va had e filing clerk who reaigned* Sprool aaaa 
out to »§• "Will you take charge of the fileat^ j ^^^ 
^- ..•All right*" 

Wallf that waa a t^e-iiaa Job by that tiat« Aai 
ha finally aaid one dayt "Z have a lady that 1 think 
could run the filea in good ahape*" 

I've forgotten har name, but aha waa in har lata 
flftiaa* Vallf I knew aonathlng about har and I aai4t 
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SteveriSf little too old| in tht second plae« sht's hsd no experience 
in running files* end these ere hectic, these files** b 
*Vell, I'll give her s trisl snyway," 

She vox4ced nights, she even slept in the offio«| 
but she had no ides \ihst she vas doing* You'd ask for a 
file, and instesd of being al)la^ to find it right away, 
aha'd atert pawing through materiel ahe had had najbe 
two weeka before that atill waa not filed* So I went 
to her one day and aaid, "Don't jou index thaaa lattara 
right away when you get than and naka cards, eross re- 
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"^""^ '*0h yaa," aha aaid, "but I'm a little bit behind 
now." ^ 

Well, that went on from bad to woraa, jou know* 
And finally ha agreed with ns that aha waan't doing a 
good job* But it waa up to na fo gat rid of her* 

Well, I had a terrible time* Then finally I had 
ao Many things to do I told hlM one dayt *I can't nut 
ill thaaa t&lngi*" Thaa*^)ki turned the file a over to 
Mias Hobh, aa as far aa I know aha ran thSM until aha 
left laat year* X think thay have aavan or eight girla 
there now* 
Pryt Did thla continue to be a one-person Job while Sproul 

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charge^ end thej had three glrla riling* But he waa a 

tough cuatoniar* I remember one tine they had a ajatcm 

of abbreviations* He*d be looking over hla eorreapon- 

dence and dlaoover something waa mlaaing* He*d write 
aoroas the top "P-G.'.** which meant "Please get file," 
And that would go up to the file room In the duniij* 
Then the whole thing would be put together and aent 
back to hla* 

Fryt What's a dummy? 

Stevenai That's a little elevator pulled up with a rope* One 
day he asked for a file which was aent to him with a 
note appended! **There is one letter mlasing fron thla 
file.** And when he got down to that note bm vrota 
underneath^ '^Pind it*** That'a the way he worked* It 
went back upstairs^ "Find it*** 

Re was quite upaet one day with Hlaa Apbb about 
acH&e letter that oouldn't be found* Staa really looked 
and looked and looked* Veil, I don't know how I ••■• 
into the picture » but anyway I aald to Mlaa Robb^ 
"'I'll betcha that that mlDalng letter la over at tiM 
prealdent'a houae on hla daak." I vent in and looked 
around a little bit* There it waa* I didn't take It 
to hlro» Mlaa Robh did* I don't know whether h« ever 


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Staveas: admitted the mlstak* or Qot| I never heard any more about 
it* Bat we were always running back and forth b«ti«aen 
the ofrioe and the houae looking fer papara. 

Prys You did quite a bit of work at hia houae too? 

Stevenas Not ao much* Onee in a while he*d esll me crer for 
aoae apaoial job. 

Tvft Who were aone of 8proul*8 cloaeat aasociatea in the 


Sterenas Of courae Deutaoh» Moavae Deutaoh, was the eloaeat nan on 
the facultyl that* a why he picked him aa dean of the 
t Univeraity when he firat became preaideat* And of eouraa 

ha knew the younger men much better than the olderj the 
older awmbera of the faculty didn^t botbar him very such* 
Once in a while he*d cell then in for advice end thinga 
of that kindf but he didn't aaaooiata very mioh with 

^ ^Tena them oatalde of regular Univeraity work* ^.. <. 

Fryt Theae vera the nen who had been prominent in Campbell 'a 

adminiat ration? 

fttevenat That ■ a right* Dating baok to Wheeler* 

Fryt So thia waa a yoongar group thet eema ia« 

Stevenat Yea* 

Fryt Back to the depreasion dayai The UBiveraity waa ralieved 

a little bit by federal fuada, waaa't it? VPA fimdar 

Stevenai Oh yaa, I rameaber thoae fellowa* The iibrary waa a 

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Stevens: great place in those dtijs, eapeelelly the Bancroft 
Iilbrary, They had all these old focrles slttlncr up 
there all day* I don't know what they were doing 
putting things together and tearing thinga apart* 
but anyhow they worked all day longi aone of then 
quite old and feeble* 

Fryi On tha WPA projeetT ' 

Stevenas WPA» yea* 

Frys But not many younger one a? 

Stevens: Ho* 

Fryt What was the general tenor of life on tha eanpua daring 
the depraaaion? Tha department beada were having their 
problems » and the professors snd teaehera were harlng 
their troublea* all because they had ao mch wox% to 
do, end ao little money to do it with* 

Stevenai I donH recall much diasatiafaetion, tenaion, or anything* 
Things went elong just the aane* 

Fryt Sproul atill had plenty to do in hia offiee* 

Steve na: He had plenty to do, yea* 

Fryi In 193U Regulation Five waa adopted in the Senate* 

That* a the regulation in which the profeasora agreed 
there ahould be no exploitation of the claasroom for 
propaganda purpoaes* I was wondering what was behind 

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Frji Whiit about Sproul and politics? Wasn't hs noisad sround 

for governor during Marrias's taz«t 
i Stavenst They noisad him around^ but ha vaa nsTar Intaraatad in 
polities* Z ranambar the 7 noisad him around for 
govamor ona tina^ but he didn*t want mueh to do with 
it* hm tisad t. 

Frji How did ha look st tha gOTcmorahip? 

I StSTans: Z think ha knav just enough about it to know ha didn't 
L y, want lt» ha^: 

I ¥rfi Did Sproul manage to get around to all tha dirrarant 

" oampuaea? Soxaa were rtlativel/ new than* 

Stavena: Oh yaa* Ha made regular tripa* Nobody aver went to 
Lick Observatory Tery rauch* They all knew what they 
ware doings so why go* The regents used to go up onee ' 
In a while for their naetingay bat very sald<M» '-110% '^ 
was largely beoeuae of Regent Crocker' a intereat in 
the Lick observatory* But that died down aftarward* 
But Sproul made his xvpular tripa to Kivarsit^at Ls 
JollSf L08 Angelas* Cs^^ball did too» sa a aistter of 
fact* .f r,, 

Fryt Vara thaae snnuslf or semisnnusly or more often? 

Stevens: Viall» they'd ususUy go down asybe oaoe • aonth* And 
of course they went when the regents net down there* 

Pryi And did tha ragenta have ■ootlags around st 4irforant 

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Well* did Sproul ever sctuslly move deiin to live on 

diffez^nt esnpuses for e few weeks st s tint— for 

instance f Davis or Los Angeles? 

Yes 9 Los Angeles; he used to go there end stsy for s 

few weeks st s tiine when he first beoesie president* Then 

when they elected s ehanoellor thst wss shsndoned* 

Oh, you mesn he didn*t live down there onee s chancellor 

wss appointed* ^.^^^„, m^t 

PidnH live there, no* 

Did he ever live st Davis? One of the D«vis students wrote 

in s request onee thst he cone end live there for two or 

three weeks* Meybe they got this ides frosi Los Angeles* 

Ho, I don*t think he ever did that* It wss too close to 

BeiHkeley; he could go there in s couple of hours* 

Well, how did this work out during the wsr when it wss • 

little herd to trsvel? Was trsvelling curtsiled? 

He went by automobile, you know* Re never drove very 

much except for things of thst kind, snd to go to meet 

prominent guests of the University* 

Oh, osn you tell ua sn3rthing sbout the IXnivereity'e nore 

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Stevens: president's offioe would show all that* 

Frys Fine. You don't remember having fanous rides with any other 

president of the United Statea? ^ 

Stevcnat No, I had no more rides* 

Fry: Vell^ back to his office; you said you did the flllngt and 

you also kept his calendar* What elae did ycu do? Vhat 
about his speeches snd things like that? 

Stevens: Sproul never read hia apeeches^ but he alwaya had thMi 
written out* I remember the apeeoh he made when ha waa 
inaugurated presldentf It was typed on half ahaeta^ and 
there were over twenty pagea* And he made that apaaah ,^ 
without looking at his book at all. The auperintendent of 
grounda^ now retired, aat in the audience with a oopy of 
the Inaugural add re as. You eould listen to him, or you 
oould read it while he waa talking* And the suparlntandent 
said, "Well, you know I read that thing right along with 
him and ha never missed s word.** Sproul had a photographlo 
mind* He oould write the longeat apeeoh and thnn gat up 
and aay it right off* 

Fryt How did he prepare hia apaeohea? ,^ i.f 

Stavana: If it was an important speaoh ha would always wilta it mit 
in longhand* Then it had to be typed, triple apaoei ha., 
usually would dlatribute that among the girla In tha offioa 
to have It typed on full aheeta, triple -ape oad* Than hi 


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be typed again double •spaced} he*d go orer that onee mora* 
And when he got through with that 9 he would h«Te it typed 
in final form on half sheets and put in a hinder* 80 that 
each apeeeh was typewritten three different times before 
it esme out in finel oopy* 

Pryt He really worked them overt 

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Fryt Who helped him with these? 

Stevens t Well» he had a lady at that time} her name was Mra* Vilkie* 
She was sn editorial Tedder* When he got hia apeeeh in the 
second draft, double •apace d, after he*d node up his oim 
mind, he'd turn it over to her for edditione or ehaogea, or 
suggested changes* And he would either accept them or not* 
But she always did s very good jcb| he waa very fond of her 
work} they elweys csme beck with good suggestions* Bttt 
putting the speech in thr^ final fonn on theae half staeeta 
was a job. -t* 

Frjt Is that whst you hsd to loT 

Stevens I Veil, everybody in the office chipped in on that Job, Of 
course, when I waa there, I made ud ell of the material to 
be preaented to the regenta* All the reporta and raeon* 
IJaendatiofif, gifts, ete*, had to be typed end tfsimmM in 
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Pryt Thay were typed and then ralraeo graphed, 

Stevenat Yea* It got to be quite a volumlnoaa doouniantf toward the 
end. Of eouraet in Wheeler* a day, usually one or two 
aheeta of paper would cover everything* 

Pryi That* 8 the atory of the UnlTeralty, ian*t it? Who did 

all the reaeareh inrolved in eolleeting theae data for 
the regents? 

Stevens s That would have to be taken from the day-to-day work* For 
inataneVy Sproul wduld* get a letter todey f reit t^ It^Tf 
*I wish to give to th^ University fJOO for experimentation 
in what-have-ycu." 0, K* That*a an item for the next 
regents meeting. So it hs^^ to be all gathered during tht 
month in one place* And then a day or two before the 
regents meeting they were all put together in ty^d fona 
and Spz*oul would approve then* " '" **• 

Pryt Viiat about the facta tn6 figurea that he would preaent to 

the regents frcm time to tiiae*-pertieularly the b«dg«t« 
Did ha do this 9 or did ha have— 

Stevenat Ho, that Vaa dona b3r th* TTnlTeraity accountant* Re would 
ten^ that down to be attached to the end cf it* We celled 
the whole thing the regenta* roater* 

Pryt X &aa wondering if Sproul carried over any of hia exparienaa 

a a comptroller in doing theae thinga* 

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rincnciel matters, until he was pt^slc^ent* When he wss 
eosipt roller he'd slweys send whsteTer he hed for the 
' re{?ent8 to the president* Very often he would present 

Items of his own to the regents* 

Fryi Uhen he wes comptroller* 

Stevens: Yes* 

Fry! Idell then when he wss president, how well did he delegiste 

to the comptroller, hsvlnr been s ooniptroller himself T 

Stevens: Well, the comptroller st thst tine wes Nr« Hlehols* He 
hed worked with Sproul s frood msny 3r<*ers end knew just 
whet Sproul wanted* So he would slways send to Sproul 
his Items for the regents* rare tings* Sproul would ssjp f* 
'^O* K*, I'll put thst In," or '*Ut's not put thst in 
now, let's wait*" So they woxiced p ratty well togethtr* 

Fryl I sec* Now, there era many decisions to be «ede In the « 

University president's offlee thst requlra a great aaouat 
of raaearch* Who did that for Sproul? 

Stevens: When Sproul wes there Mr* Pet tit waa aaalatant to tha 

president* Ha did all of that. Oh^ ha alaved away long 
houra digging up material for the prealdent* 

Fryt At what point did It beaoaie neeeaaery to he^'O an officer 

for thla purpoae? 

Stevenat Pettit Was working In the newa bureau* Sproul took bta 
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8 speech on a eertsln topic* Pettit would go to woxIe 
snd get sll the material together* 

Frjt Pid Pettit have a staff of hia own? 

Stevens! He might have a ataff now; at the tine I left he did it 
all himself* 

Fvjt What about public relations? When did thia become an 

entity in itaelf? Did Campbell hsve a public r^latiooa 

Stevens s Yes^ that dates back to, let*s aee, I think it waa right 
toward the end of Barrow^ time* They called it the Haws 
bureau* Mr* Harold Ellis wgs the first man to occupj 
that office* I think he* a still living hare in Derkelef* 
He wss an old newspsper man. And Rale Spax^at you knowp 
the "Univeraity Explorer?" That'a where he atarted, in 
the news bureau* Oh» I guess it*s grown iinensely sine* 
I was the re * 

Pryt They alao began to have an office of relatione with aehoolay 

too, during Sproul* 

Stevenat Yea* Who waa the head of that? I think Frofeaaor Idwards 
from UCLA waa in relatione with aohoola* Dien th«t 
atarted way back yrara ago* They firat called it the 
Univeraity examiner* He waa a profeaaor* Thia waa all 
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Stevens: "This school is shy of thst," ^a6 "Thl« is tf'fMtty good 
school 9" end so forth. Then thst grew into pablie re- 
lations with schools* 

Pryi The cxeroiner himself visited st firsts ^» -^i' J»« <• 

Stevens t He didn't do anything else* He spent the whole ymmr 
visiting ichools all over the state* A one-man job* 

Pry J Then, during Sproul's adiainiatration they atopped all 

this school inapeetionT 

Stevens; Yes, -.< ,- v .-•, u». teinire to v - - - • ,-...u« . ^ 

Fryt So the office really oeme to be a little world in itaelf^ 

then, didn't it? 

Stevens: Oh yes, - ~ ' " ' *>e eo^ u% r 

Pry I What other dtitlea did you hrvet Tour job deaeription 

mentioned also taking care of visitors and aeelnr that 
L they ymT9 properly housed, and %h«t their pericing wee 

r hendled. Is that right? 

Stevens} Yes* Anything* If I happened to be aitting in a oonvenient 
^iNie* I'd always get that job* id 

Fryt Tou were always available* • 

Stevens s Always avsilable, yes* 

Fryt Whst about Miss Robbt Vhat did aha do? 

Stevena: She waa a personal aeeretery, sore or lesa* All the aeil 
waa given to the preaident by her* The sell wee sorted by 
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would go in and go oyar it with him* Ha voold alth^r 

iMaFp it OP glYa it l^aak to Hap* Tbe pa^'lit tapt maant 
that ha had to do a lot of vrork with it* It ha wantad 
a filc» aa I aaid^ ha*d sand it up and gat tha file* ' 
But har job primarily waa to feed thia Biatarial into his 
in final form so he wouldnH h ve to aak for anything^"' 
mora* Than the next day he*d go over it with har again 
and delegate cex*tain thinga to har and aonabody elaa^ 
ratelninf' those thlrn^s he wanted to do himself* 

Frys How about Mise Hobb*a connection with tha public outaida 

Sproul*s office? Did she haTe any at all? * 

Stavenat No» not cutsida the office* But aiiy^ddy l^at eama in to 
tha praaidant*s office woul^ be usharad into har office 
first* Maybe ahe*d uaher the parson into the preaidant 
antf Biayba she wouldn't* 9ut if aomabedy had a definite 
t appointment with the preaident, aoma one ha might hara 

aakad to aec* aha*d always meet tham in bar of flea and 
uaher them down into hia office • 

JhPf$t So that her office waa for thoaa people itfio did not have 

an appointment. 

StcTanst That* a right* and for thoaa who dltf#''-lha was really a 

clearing houae* She han491ed it Tery wall! aha knew Just 
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Stevens t Yes, she vss* ** ' ** 

Fzyi And she was also able to tske care of i lot of his 

correspondence » I imagine* 

Stavenas Yes* He was strict with her* I said to him one daj^ 
•"You're kind of rough on Ml as PiOhb** 

^"^^^ "Wall, you erot to be/ he said; *I heve'to^lewap'SIr** 

on her toes." He was very fond of her, however* 

FrjS But she had a moat valuable rola to play for him, and ha 

-^^* had to Icaip he fi'aa he thou^t, "on her toei"^£a'that 


3tavenat Yes* She started in years a;?o as a atenographer, but 

she wasn't a good stenographer, and he told her ona day, 
"You're not a very good stenographer, but don't worry, 
I've got another Job for ycui' t want you to be my 
aeeretary froni now on." And aha waa, from then oq« 

Fryt Has this while he was presidentT 

Stavenat Ho, comptroller. He atarted in as aashier* then eaaiatant 
' eoraptroller, and oomptrollar* 

Pryx When did you first know Sproul? 

Stevens t Oh, I knew him sa a atudent about 1912* 

Pryt And then when he came to the Univeraity ataff, when did 

fci 'fifit Met him again? 

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j|t#vftiuit for the titj of Oakland, I cam* up cna morning an<9 ha 
vas in the cashier's window* Wa raeognlzad aaeh othar 
right BitBf and I went ovar and chatted with him a few 
minute a* I used to call him "Bob" when ha was comptrollari 
Of course » when he beceme president I had to put on mj 
high hat more or leas* (Laughter) , , . _ 

Fryt And forego auch faraillarlty* Vell« jou had a long career 

together, didn't you? 

Stevenai Oh yes* 

Fry; It must have b<tit,.i^ eomfort to him to have a friend* 

Ste venal I told him one day* ^*I think ygur of floe would have bean 
run much better if at the time you cane over here and 
brought Hias Hobb with you, you would have delegated ■• 
off into a&nia other department*" 

%ell, perhaps ao/' he ssid* That* a all that vat 
aver aaid about it* (Laughter) 

Fry I That was the end of that* 

3t«venas That woe the end ot that, yea* 

Fry} By acme other departmentf you meant aoroa other departatat 

within-^-^^ tv.. .c t* 1 V. . 

Stavanat Well* thar« was the timt whan Sproul waa eoaiptroller that 
he caue to Campbell and wanted sie to be aeahier* Ba% 
Prealdent Campbell oouldn't aae that* So that ended* 

Fryi Campbell wanted you to ba right where you vara* 




Stevens: Stay end help him, jes* 

Fry: Now, there \ieve you as his executive secretary and Miss 

Robb 88 hie secretary? 
\ Stevenss Well, she started In as secretary to the presle^ent; then 
she later became adninlstrative aaslatant* 
Fryt Administrative aasistant* And then who else was iflnsdiately 

around Sproult 
Stevens s Well, he had Mrs* Lynn; she wss a atenographer, the presi- 
dent's stenographs r« jrou might ssy* And i^)«n 1 wss there 
tlMW ts*ffe two other etenoc-rephera. o- ^-^ fv^ 

Fryi Yon think some of ther m* pht hsve had difficulty becsuaa 

of this barrier of eommunlcation between them and Snroulf 
Stevens t Vfell, no. They r^eognised the feet that he wanted us to 
rryi da si through Miss Robb, 

Fryt What happened in the office when you retired* Do you know 

, yi who took over your--* 

I Stevenat Nobody took over my Job, * Skinny* ' Xekas on, Robert JohnsoBf 
t I think is still sitting st my desk. Jlow whst hs doea I 

don't know, I haven't the least idea* But I don't know 
how the work that I did wiia parcelled out* 'x*Ta only^an 
in the offiee twice since I left* 
Fryt You went to work for s bank, didn't you? 

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Stevem: I have no routine. I»w ^olng to try to do • little 
gardening* 3r^«» 

Frirs Anc* talk to Intenriewers who eome around kncokin^ et jour 

door? (Laughter) 

Stevcnat I try to do a little gardening, but it's too hard work** 
I don't do that much. Of course I do all the heavy work* 
Hy wife oan*t push a vacuum any more, things of that kind* 
She does very well doing little light things* Then in 

*Yyt the afternoons we usually teke a ride* or in the evening 

we go to visit friends* Vith the granddattf^te r in San 
Jose, we usually go down there every couple of weeks or 
so to see her. My dsughter cones up in the evenings* 

Fry: You just live it day by day, in other worda* 

Stevenat I don't get very excited about things* Life goes on* 

Fryt No intensa interest In s hobby or snything like that? 

Stevenat Oh no, I never was much of a hobble st* 

Fryt Well, in your csraer, your presidents didn't lei^va yoa 

much time for sny hobby did they? 

Stevenst l^o. I enjoyed my work in the bank; in factf whan I went 
there the manager told ne, "You're Juat the nan we %ran% 
beoauae of your wide acquaintanee with Dnlveralty people* 
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Frys You enjoyed those bankers' hours. 

Stevcnss Bankara* hours* yea* 

Pry: Quite different* wasn't it? 

Stevens t Yea* Then I retired from the bank in Deeenber 3I9 X953* 

Fryt Theae have been a moat intereatlng aerie a of interviava* 

no^I* there anything else you'd like to addt 
Stavenas Mo* X think I've forgotten moat of what I ever knew, but 

aona thinga stick with you* ...r.** 

Fry: v. ¥«llf you've managad to fill aeveral reela* (Laughter) 
Stevenac Several reela* yea* 
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*^ [Entirely tongue -in-ch#ek, this speech was de- 

^^ livered at a dinner Tor Presicient Wheeler which 
*^^ "* all his seereterles, past and present, attended.] 

I have never made or attempted to make a speech, and It la 
not ifiy intention to make one this evening. I have written, 
typewritten of course, so many of President Wheeler's public 
utterances, that I think I have soma idea of how a speech 
should go. President Wheeler told me after his last Com- 
mencement Address that there was one word in his manuscript 
that did not make sense; none of the words in ray rewarka make 
sense, but rather non-sense. 

I have know President Wheeler as long, if not longer, than 
most of you gathered here this evening; and It ia undoubtedly 
due to his patience that I have known him ao long. It waa in 
the early days of 1906, When I waa firit appointed Steadgraphar 
to the President, that he told hia Secretary, Hr. Hallett, that 
his dictation waa perhaps s bit severe for me - too high brow. 
I finally mastered hia vocabulary, however, and thank hia now 
for his patience. Pew aoademioiana know that ahorthand ia the 
art of phonography, the writing of aounda, and not worda or 
sentenoea. At flrat I tranaoribed Praaidant Vhaalar^a dlatatien 
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attention to ilmpllfled spelling then to orthogrephy. After I 
became eccustomed to his dictation, he grcc^ually began to re- 
cognize the typewritten material as it waa placed before hlw 
for signature; in fact. Just before It became neeeaaarj for ne 
to glTe up taking his dictation^ he orcaalonallj signed hla 
name to a letter without a careful raadlnj? thareof. 

Well, so much by way of introduction. My first Innedista 
chief was Mr. Eugene R. Hallett, Appointed Secretary to the 
President on August 1<, 1905 and resigning on September 22, 
1906, just previous to his marriage* Eridently there was an 
understanding between President Vheeler and his secretaries 
that they should retire at the time of their marriage. 

One mominf shortly after Mr. Hallett* a resignation be- 
easie effective, Mr. Griffiths, then a reader in Hiatory, waa 
siunmoned to the President •s Office from room 108 California 
Hall, where he was conducting a claas* As he quietly left the 
office by wsy of what I tena **the Presidential avenue of 
aacape", I thought to myself that he had been ehosan for tha^» 
position. All doubt was removed when on September 23, 1906 
he was sppointed. It is fitting I should mention at thla 
point that it hea ba^n and la now the onatoa of th# 6a||4iaf 
Secretary to the President, or Asslstsnt to the President, to 
leave the office aevaral daya prior to the data of hia raaig- 
nation, the Inooming offieial doing the work meanwhile and tha 


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retiring official drawing the salary. 

President Wheeler asked me to help Mr. Griffiths in 
every way I could, and I r he asked me particularly to 
show him what was in the various drawers of the desk. I in- 
formed Griffiths the only thing for htm to do was to go to 
work, my main thought being that a new Secretary should have 
a free hand until some knotty problem should arise, whareupon 
my suggestion to him was "take it up with the President, he 
may be able to help you." Griffiths and 1 got on well together, 
however, and became so intimately acquainted that we addressed 
one another as "Bud.** It is really a great privilege to be 
able to address an attorney, the Comptroller of the UnlTersity, 
a Professor of Public Speaking, and a Professor of Law as "Bud," 
Griffiths resigned on September 1, 1907 to go to Oxford tJniTex»- 
aity as Rhodes Scholar from California. 

^ After considerable thought President l^heeler and 1 agreed 

that Ralph Merritt wpa the best man for the position. He •«■• 
to the office and after a brief conference accepted our offer» 
stating, however, that the salary would have to be raised froa 

IriEOO to |l,lt.00 per annum, 9B he was just graduating and oould 

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not live on lasa. At about thia time >ierritt waa electsd 
Graduate Kansgsr of the Associated Studenta and msds a rsputstion 
for himself as the originator of the A.S.U.C. card, ths inatru- 
jMnt which cleared the student body of 1^20^000 dabt. I naad 
not mention hia reputation ainca that tima - you all know it. 


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I ara very sorry that he has seen fit to 8en<5 such a com-^ 

municatlon as he has to the Fxeeutlve Committee of the 
Board of Regents, The Boar<^ hes undoubtedly let an op» 
portunlty go by. Becoming entangled In the snares of 
matrimony, Merrltt resigned on Kay 10, 1910, ' ^^"'^y^ 

^ '^^ On the next appointment President V/heeler did not con- 
sult me because he knew I would concur In his selection. He 
left the office with a cablegram carefully taeked away In the 
secret pocket of his coat* Two days later I opened to tba 
answer [alcl to that cablegram, ind It ^idf "Accept, ^ 
drlfflths", "Bud was coming back to see what was In the 
drawers of the desk. He stayed until June 30, 1913 - »atrl- 
mcny again Interfered, 

A short time after this I left the office fop a brief 
vecatlcn. Before leaving, however, I was approached by a 
Senior student, Clare Torrey by name, regarding a aui table 
position fcr a man of his qualifications, I was at that tlma 
in charge of the atudent emplcyrr^nt office. I told Torrey 
I was just leaving town on a brief vacation, but would con- 
sider him for the position of See rata ry to the Praaidant* 
To show how President Wheeler and I worked together, Torray 
was appointed during ray abaenea and took office on July 1, 
1913* Torrey antf T had much in oonmon, and Praaidant Vbaalar 
apr> roved many of our conoootiona* I recall an anualng incident 


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during Torre y» 8 term of office • He we 8 telephong [sic] to 
Sen Francisco one dey, and hevlng some difficulty in making 
himself heard, began to talk In a Ipud manner* I had 
occasion to «^o Into the President's office just then, and 
President Wheeler said: "what la the matter with Mr. TorreyT* 
I replied that Mr. Torrey was talking to San Pranciaco, The 
President looked through the glass door with a rather serioua 
expression on his face and remarked! "Tell him to use th« 
telephone." Torrey rerlpined on December 31, 1916 to assiat 

• • ay 

Herbert Hoover In Belgian Relief Voric. You all know of hl« 
career overseas, and the excellent work he performed both in 
relief work and in the French and American Aimiea. Ha too 
18 married. ....^^ tp c:, , i. 

^ Our next choice for the position was Mi% Drury. Ea spant 

a part of one morning in the office with Torrey, and after being 
convinced of the aimplioity of the job, accepted the appointatnt 
on January 1, 1917. In good Drury fashion ha carried out tha 
wishes of the President until the declaration of war* Drury 
hated to leave becauae he enjoyed editing tha President*! 
Annual Report. He reaignrd on January 22^ 1916 to go to tha 
University of uhio for a period of training. He waa finally 
sent to the Anny Baloon School at Aroadia« and remained up in 
the air until tho signing of the amiatioa. Hrury repreaenta 
the alandar type of Sacratarlaa. 


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Upon leaving Mr. Drury suggested to President Wheeler 
that I be appointed Secretary to the President with Dr. Putnaa 

as Executive Secretary.* I was not suited for this important 


post, being a married man, and President Wheeler in hl» 
woadom [sic] was of the same opinion. 

It was no easy task, however, c'^ie to the war to find a 
single man for Secretary to the President. Consequently wa 
looked about for a married man of the sober type. "Dr. Mat 
Lynch was appointed on J'anuary 2li, 1918. He served faithfully 
for a perio(T cf seven months, when he was persuaded that his 
work, at least for th«^ duration of the war, was in financial 
field, and he went to the Pef^cral Reserve Bank in San Pranciaoo* 
His reputation is still beyond reproach, however, and ha is 
back in the University aa Professor of Law, with a aeat in the 
Academic Senate. 

A few daya before Mr. Lynch left I told Morae Cartwright^ 
Manager of the University Praaa, to put his offioa in auoh 
shape as would enable him to leave at a moTiMnt's notioa, ba* 
cauaa I felt it to be his duty to accept the Aaaistantahip to 
the Preaident, which he did on July 8, 1918. I should state 
hare that Cartwright never aakad what the various drawars in 
the desk ware for. Ha ia an old nawapapar man 9n6 clears off 
his desk bafor^a leaving the offioa aaoh day* A nsn holding an 
important adminiatrativa poaition in the Univeraity asksd as 


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one day how it was that Gartwright was able to flniah all hla 
work each day. I replied that he waa a newspaper man and 
always kept his slate clean. "Well", he aald, "if I had a 
dam fool like you around ray office who didn't want to go 
home at five o'clock, I could keep my desk clean too," 

Until the Regents are through canvasing [ale] the field, 
I shall not attempt to choose a successor to Praaidant Whaelar* 

' T7a ire all glad he is to be with ua on the oampuay anJ 
that he will have sufficient leisure to reflect upon hia manj 

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1.NAME p. c. Stevens 

J. PAY ROLL TITLE Executive Secretary 




3. DEPARTMENT OR OFFICE Pr^aldenttfl Office 




Eyeciitive Secretary 






per (month, day, hr.) 



Names of supervisors 

President of the University 
Monroe E« Beutsch 

Pay roll titles of snperrisors 

President of the Universe 
Vic«-Pre8ident and Provoi 

This is the most important item on the form. List your regular and most important tasks first. If more space is needed, use reverse side. 


As Executive Secretary, a titler^3;^shave held since July 1, 1930, I 
undertake to do those tasks which, in my opinion, should be done to aasii 
the President and Vice-President and Provost - those taaks necessary in 
carrying out University procedure and regulations. Correspondence is 
referred to me, and some comes to me automatically, for the preparation < 
replies, to be signed by the President, the Vice-President and Provost, ( 
myself, as the case may be. I prepare many reports and recommendationa 
that are presented to the Regents each month by the Prasidantt such as 
reports of gifts, setting up of loan funds , establiahmant of seholarshlpi 
fellowships and prizes, in each inatanea glTing complata datails of tht 
conditions of the gift for the permanent records of tha Ragaata* I •■ 
chaiiraan of the committee on apace assignment, which recommands tha 
allocation of space for specific purpoaaa in buildinga already oonatructc 
Secretary of the committee on international relational to which tha 
President refers all mattara dealing with that aubjaot^ and whieh haa ha( 
charge of several sariea of lecture a as tha maana for quickening the 
interest and broadening the information of atudanta, with rafarance to 
international problems and tha oonoarn of the United Stataa tharawith; ai 
a member of the Committee on public cararaoniaa, which nakaa all naeaaaar; 
preparations for the events of Commencamant Pay and Chartar Hay. I prapi 
copy for all placarda announcing public lacturaa to ba dallTarad on tha 
campus, and aaa to it that a presiding officer ia aaourad for aaoh laetu] 
and that ehaaka are raadv for the honoraria. FpHowing tha fpprovyl of 


Names of those supervised 

i'ay roll lilies of 
thoM> supemaed 




I hereby certify that the foregoing information supplied by me is correct and complete as to fact, thai it is expressed in my own words, ai 
that it describes my job as I understand it. 

Date (SiClftDl 



PIereby Certify, That I have carefully considered the answers of this employee to the foregoing questions and that to the best 
owledge they are correct and complete as to the facts within my knowledge, with the exceptions noted below. 

It is liQ>OMible to give the p«peentsge of tlraa aasigned to eaeh task. 

a) Supervisor: Date [Signed] Title 

b) Department Head: Date [Signed].. Title 

e this space if needed 

ha President or tha Visa *Pra aidant and Provoat, I algn and dlatrlbute trave' 
pants, including laavaa of abaanaaa* and raaaareh granta. I prepare and aai 
at lattara to appropriate offiolaXa on all oampuaes raqusstlng them to subK 
the President their annual raporta, and^ following their raeelpt» prepare 
Bttera of scknowledgement for the Preaident. I iasue in tha Praaldent*a nai 
»*aalled courtesy osnpua pariclng permits to sll members of the Cslifornia 
igislsture, the Stste Board of Education, snd other publle offieiala and fr! 
f the University. I have charge of the wortt connected with the preparation 
IM bibliographiesl dsts of members of the fsculty^ snd the list of honors 
Badag to members of the fseulty. In addition, the President snd Vioe^Presii 
id Provost frequently send me apecifio requeata to be carried out. To li- 
as trste, I vss recently requaated by the Preaidant to prepare the manuacripl 
3r 8 inanual of Unlvaraity procedure, becauae of my **«aalth of e3q>arlenoe aM 
lowledge. Bach day brings special problema for conalderatlon and aolutlon, 
icluding the dlaaemlnation of information as to correct procedure and 
ilversity regolatlona* Telephone cells are frequent, seeking Information tl 
jmends Intivriete knowledge of the institution* 


PARTIAL INDEX .^,.,. .••••, 

Academic Senate • •••••• ••••106fI07 

Advisory Ooramittee of Deana I4.8, 1x9, 102-5»107-10 

Allen, James T« , ««•••«•••• • •ll^ 

Anders on -^BarngioTer I-^nuTaoturing Co« •••27f 28, 29* 30 
Barrows, David Preacott •••21^, 31-2, $8-9, 66-7» 100-02, 

• .. 106, ll5ff, 126-30, 137, 139, ll*4-7, 168 

Barrows , lira • A2u.a Ilichcla ••• • lif6-7# IU8 

Deneci lox , xi« Jtic ••••••«•••••••••••••••••••••• •4^3* ^^ $ ^7 

Boalt Hall of Lew Ud, $k 

Budget, Prooess of Compiling ••••••••lOU-S* 12i4.-5» lUO, 

- 1U3-S* 151-2,166-7 

California R&i sin Growers •••••••• ••A 

Campbell, Mrs« i^lizebeth Ballard Thoj^aon •• ll4>7*8 

Campbell, William Wallace 2U, 32, ^9, 112, ua-^22, 12U 

. ...127-35, 135, lUo-U;:, iii7. iW, 15I4., 162, 168, 172 

Carnegie Corporation • • 59, 70 

Cartwrlght, Morae .!i9, lOit., 137» lilU 

Commercial Fruit Growing, Santa Clara Vallej ••I, 2, 7, 

8, 9,11,12 

Communism ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• • 153*U 

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Gomptroll^ris Offloa ••••67-*6^ 116^ 120* 12d-9* 166-7 

«ip i.!i!!r.r.!iiiii!mri7i - 2 

Cooperstivesy Santa Clera Vallej Fruit Growing •••••• $ 

•• 13- y 

Corley, JeraeF !!• ••••«••••••••••••••«•••••.•• •••••1^3*^ 

Crocker, William H, 1Z2, l^Z, 1$3, 16 2 

Cyolotron •••.••••••••••••••••• •••152 -3 

Daaas ol* Students •• • • U7*9f 5l» 53 

Deutaoh, H<»iroe • •••••• 71« 136, I390 I60 

Douglaa« Roy • ••56 

Bznxryt iJewton •••• ••••••••••••••#«••• •SV* 629 63 

Earl» auy C» • ••••••• •••••••••••••••113 

The Early Cooperetivae or the Santa Clara Valley ••13rf 
Earthquake of I906 •• •• ••••# •••••t»««»^^»^^««*«^*^*«110 

East aide T'ryer, Cooperative of Santa Clara Valley Fruit 

Growe ra •• • •Ii^-I6 

Ebright, Carroll (Ky] ' ••••50 

SdvardSf Iliran W. •••••••• •••••••••168»9 

BlliB» Herclc' ,166 

Bxtenaioii rivioion •••••• • 69t 12^*132 

Faculty onr? the Office of the Pra«idant 118*120, 

12l;-5, 138-9, iVi-V/ l?6-7, 160, 170 

Faculty Revolution •••••••••••••••• •••••••• •lOO 

Fax«ara' Union, Cooperative of Santa Clara Valley 
Fruit Orowera •••••••• ••••••• •••••••••16 


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Fire, of Berkeley e 111-112 

Flu Epidemic of 1918 99 

Fraternities •• • *•••..«•• 51-3 

OmyUj, Charles Milla 72. 6l» 98, 103, lOl^., 307-8 

Germanism, Attitudes Toward Paring World Ver I ••• 83-U 

L 90-92,107-9 

Gifts lt2-3 

Goodin, Vernon L* ••••••.• •• ..l^O 

GeT«« Bear Admiral. Q. A. •••• 9h-5 

tS^raduate School ••••• I18 

Griffiths, Farnham 60, 61, 79 

Halle tt, Eugene R 30, 3^f 35, 36 

Hart, Veltar Morrla I2I4., 128, 130, 132, 135, I3S 

15U, 155 

Hatfield, Henry Rand • lUU-5 

Hearst, Mra* Phoebe ••••••••• •••••••••73*7U, 11)2-3 

Henderson, Victor 26, 67-6, 7b 

Home Union> CooperatiTa of Santa Clara Vallty Fruit > 

Grouara •*.•• ••••• 15» 17, 18, 25 

HovaH, John Qalen •• 72-3 

fimiarth, Ira W 69 

Jonaat William Carey 72, 8I, 103, lOU, 107*8 

Kaiser Wilhaim 83* 9OA0S 


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Labov* Source 8, Senta Clara Valley Fruit Growers ..ll-lS 


Lassister, Colonel William «•••••••••••••••••••••••»•%. 

Lawrence, K« 0, ..l^Z 

Lewis, Gilbert 69 

Lick Observatory 120-22;, 131, 1^0, lla, iW, 162 

Lincoln, Chester •••••• ^$>5^ 

Lcuderbsck, George Travis • ii^3-^- 

Lynch, Matt 53, 5U 

Lynn, Mrs, rr.race .•^♦•.•'•l/.V#»ll»l;0, 76, 67-6, 169,173 

Maybeck, Bemarr^ • .• •• JZ 

Medical School •• • •••'••••••1^8 

Merrlam, John Csmpbell ••59, 62-3, 6$, 70, 72, 137, 139 
Merrltt, Ralph ..23, h6, 5U, 60, P6-7, 92-3, 113* 129 

Moore, Fmest Cerroll 130-1, 133 

Moran, Secretary to Wheeler •.•.••••••• •••••••••61 

Nichols, Luther •.••••..••••••••• •167 

Pettltt, Georffe A • 167-8 

Patterson, Mary ••• • • 85 

Plnger, Wllhelm Robert Hlchard 81^ 

Public Relations 136,167-8 

Regents and the Orrioe of the President l42,67*8 

73-U, 113-U, 119, 122, 129, 139-155, 165-7 

Regulation Plre ••••••••161 

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Relnsch, Paul Semuel AVAV/.V.VAV.VA^:^^ 


Retirement of Stevens • •/-.*. 

Rieber, Charles H« •• • •^^ 

Robb, Miss Agnes R* .««...«•••.«». ^39^ 76, 153-9, 169-73 

Roosevelt, Theodore 78-9, 81-82 

ROTC 110 -111^ 

Rowell, Chester • ..••113 

Santa Clera County i^'ruit Exchange ..S, 13» l^J-t 17,29-^0 

Santa Clara Valley 1, 2, 7» 3, 9, 11,12 

Save the Hedwood League •••••• •••••62963 

Schilling, Hugo Karl •••••,..•..•••..••• /•«««69-70 

Sparks, Hale 168 

Stephens, Kenry Morse ••.l;8, 6^, 69, 70, 72, 8I, 100- 1 

•••..... •101;, 107 -8 

Stevens, Henry Lambert Iff 

Sports, Cempbell and •• •..••••••135 

Sports, Wheeler and • •••U9 

Sproul, Robert aordon 2U-5, 32, 39, $1, 71, 113-^ 

116, 120, l??-5, 127-29, 138, 139, ll|2 

iW;, 11*9, 150, 151 ff 

Sproul, Mrs. Ida W ••••11^9 

Sproul, The Children of lU9-$0 

Student Array Training Corps .96-8 

Student Self -Government ••••# 1)6, 60, 136-7 


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Taussig^ Rudolph Julius .•......• 113 

Torrey, Clare • ••••••• ••• 89 

Tucker^ Richard Hawley • 121 

UCLA 130, 133-^+, 138, 153, 162-3 

University of California, Cainpusea other than Bax^celay 

and Los Angeles •••••••«•• • 162-168 

UnlTeraity Press •• •••.•••••••59 

Wheelar, Benjamin Ida 23, 2k» 31, 3i+ff, 112-114,118 

123, 125-7, 136, 137, ll^-U4, li^6 

Wheeler, Charles Stetson •••••••••• ••U2, llii 

Wlieeler, Krs^ Amey Webb ••••••••• 65* 66,11^ 

Wilkie, Mrs. Emily D 165 

Willey, Samuel Hopkina 76,77 

Wilson, Woodrow • 79-62 

Woods, Baldwin 12U, 126, 13?, 13^:, 135, 15U 

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