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Cass i:C.'5-cv-01458-UNA-AK Document 7-3 Filed 

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Civil Action No. OI-i'iHZS iCKIO 



Case 1:05-cv-01458-UNA-AK Document 7-3 Filed 

Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1746, 1, Esteban Rodriguez, hereby declare: 

1. I am a civilian employee ol'tiic United Slates Department of Defense 
(DoD). I currently serve as Director of the Joint Intelligence Group ("JIG") of the Joint 
Task Force - Guantanamo Bay Naval Base ("JTF-GTMO"). The JIG's mission is to 
collect intelligence information from detained enemy combatants in the Global War on 
Terror who are deemed io be rsl' strategic ntteiligeiice value, 1 have served as Director of 
the JIG since 17 July 2003. In this capadiy. 1 am rcspimiible fur managing and 
overseeing interrogation operations at the detention facility. I joined the United States as 
an interrogator in 1 979, and have been in the human intelligence (HUMINT) business 
ever since. 1 have uve^een i n [c r--. ■^:.i i i .;■ a ,,nd uchiclinj.'. .idiviiii-s for DoD in the 
continental Uniled Slates. Europe and now Guantanamo. I have personal knowledge of 
the matters stated herein. 

2. the Department iil'Dii'eiisi- does not permit mier:o;;ui.r>rs ov ii liter porsoimi:! iv 
interfere with the relaiiunslrp l.vlween any detainee and his lawyer. This would include a 
prohibition (in imperainating a lawyer, o.) making ,ii~pa:.iging comments about the 
lawyer, and on rcuili;i:ir,g against a detainee for having met with a lawyer or being 
involved in habeas corpus litigation. 

3. I have reviewed the Declaration of Thomas Wilner, submitted as part of this 
litigation. Mis declaration contends thai a female inicmigator named Megan has told 
Faziz Al Kandari not to trust his lawyers beeiiiiss they are Jewish and that she informed 
Mr. AI Kandari she was angry at him for talking to his lawyers and that he would be 
tortured if he went back to Kuwait. I have spoken with the female interrogator in 
question and she has reviewed these allegations in Mr. Wilner's declaration. She has 

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informed me thai rlic-~o allegations are false and thai she nfver made disparaging 
comments a boil I the lawyers duriny conversations with Mr. Al Kandari. nor has she ever 
dune anything to interfere in the relationship between Mr. Al Kandari and his lawyer. 
This interrogator has been assisted to Mr. Sand Al-A/mi since well before his lawyers 
began visiting Gtiantanamo Bay late in 2004. She has likewise informed mc that she 
never made disparagine coalmen's about the lawyers during conversations with Mr. Al- 
Azmi. nor has she ever done anything » interfere in the relationship between Mr. Al- 
A;-"nii and his lawyers. 

4. Mr. Wilnei's detteatloa also states mat ait unidentilied male interrogator told 
Fouad Mahmoud A I Rah i ah on n-jme!Yvs oec sfio-iis liut be should not trust his lawyers 
because they are Jewish and that if he agreed to let the Sawyers represent him, he will be 
held at Guantanamo forever. I have spoken with die interrogator who has been assigned 
to Mr. Al Rahiah since vel: beloic iiis lawyer:; began vkahg Guaiv.tMiamo Ray late in 
2(104. and be lias reviewed these alle-eaiion- in Mr. Wi lier's dedara'.ion. He has 
informed me that these allegations are false and that he never made disparaging 
comments about the lawyers with Mr. Al Rabiah, nor has he ever done anything to 
interfere in the relationship between a detainee and his lawyer. 

5. Other than the interrogators mentioned above, no other individuals have 
interrogated Mr. Al-AzmiorMr. Al Rabiah since well before their lawyers began visiting 
unariuinnmo Bay late in 2004. 

6. The interrogators referred to above are active duty military or are contractor? 
and, as such, are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice ("UCMJ"). 
Interrogators who are contractors are bound lo tlie UCMJ as a condition of their contract. 

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The UCMJ prohibits the making of false official statements, 1 U.S.C. section 907. 
Were ihe interrogators io have llilsi Jiod [heir responses to my muiiine- described above. 
Ihey would potentially be subject Lo discipline and other puiiUivi: measures under the 
UCMJ or otherwise. 

I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct. 

Dated: May J, 2005