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INVESTIGATION OF
THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
HEARINGS
Before the President's Commission
on the Assassination
of President Kennedy
Pursuant to Executive Order 11130, an Executive order creating a
Commission to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relating
to the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy and the
subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination
and S.J. Res. 137, 88th Congress, a concurrent resolution conferring
upon the Commission the power to administer oaths and affirmations,
examine witnesses, receive evidence, and issue subpenas
EXHIBITS
GALLAGHER to OLIVER
Volume
XX
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PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY
Chief Justice Earl Warren. Chairman
Senator Richard B. Russei.i. Representative Gerald R. Ford
Senator John Sherman Cooper Mr. Allen W. Dulles
Representative Hale Boggs Mr. John J. McCloy
J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel
Assistant Counsel
Francis W. H. Adams Albert E. Jenner, Jr.
Joseph A. Ball Wesley J. Liebeler
David W. Belin Norman Redlich
William T. Coleman, Jr. W. David Slawson
Melvin Aron Eisenberg Arlen Specter
Burt W. Griffin Samuel A. Stern
Leon D. Hubert, Jr. Howard P. Willens*
Staff Members
Phillip Barson
Edward A. Conroy
John Hart Ely
Alfred Goldberg
Murray J. Laulicht
Arthur Marmor
Richard M. Mosk
John J. O'Brien
Stuart Pollak
Alfredda Scobey
Charles N. Shaffer, Jr.
Biographical information on the Commissioners and the staff can be found in
the Commission's Report.
*Mr. Willens also acted as liaison between the Commission and the Department of
Justice.
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Contents
Gallagher, John F. P<we
1 1-2
Letter from the FBI to the Commission, dated March 18, 1964.
Gangl, Theodore F.
1 3
Copy of an application for employment filled out by Lee Harvey
Oswald for employment with the Padgett Printing Corp., dated
October 4, 1963.
Garner, Jesse J.
1 4
Photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald handing out "Hands Off Cuba"
leaflets.
Gibson, John
A 4
Photograph showing the interior of the Texas Theatre.
Giesecke, Dr. Adolph H.
1 5-7
Copy of a statement made by Dr. Adolph H. Giesecke to the ad-
ministrator of Parkland Memorial Hospital, dated November 25,
1963.
Goodson, Clyde F.
1 8
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Clyde F. Goodson,
dated June 19, 1964.
Grant, Eva L.
1 9-15
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Eva L. Grant, dated
November 25, 1963.
2 16
Copy of an FBI report of a telephone conversation with Eva L.
Grant, dated November 30, 1963.
3 17
Copy of an FBI report of a telephone conversation with Eva L.
Grant, dated December 2, 1963.
4 18
Copy of an FBI report of a telephone conversation with Eva L.
Grant, dated January 2, 1964.
Graves, Gene
1 19-21
Copies of weekly time cards, dated July 21, 1962, through Oc-
tober 13, 1962, submitted by Lee Harvey Oswald while employed
with the Leslie Welding Co.
Graves, L. C.
5003-A 22
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with L. C. Graves, dated
November 25, 1963.
5003-B 23
Copy of the first page of an FBI report of an interview with L. C.
Graves, dated November 25, 1963.
5003-C 24
Copy of the second page of the FBI report described in Graves
Exhibit No. 5003-B.
Gray, Virginia P<^«
1 25-26
Copy of a letter addressed "Dear Sirs" from Lee Harvey Oswald,
dated October 3, 195G, and a copy of an advertisement addressed
to "The Socialist Call," filled out by Lee Harvey Oswald.
Greener, Charles
1 27
Photograph of Irving Sports Shop repair tag No. 1837.
2 28-30
Copy of a newspaper clipping published in the New York Times
on Friday, November 29, 1963.
3-^ 31
Photographs of the C2766 rifle.
Gregory, Charles F.
1 32-36
Copies of five diagrams showing the position of wounds suffered
by Governor Connally on November 22, 1963.
Hall, C. Ray
1 37-iO
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Jack Ruby, dated
November 25, 1963.
2 41-46
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Jack Ruby, dated
November 25, 1963.
3 47-62
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Jack Ruby, dated
December 25, 1963.
4 63
Copy of handwritten notes made by C. Ray Hall, setting forth the
circumstances of an interview with Jack Ruby on November 24,
1963.
Hall, Marvin E.
1 64^67
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Marvin E. Hall,
dated June 25, 1964.
Hallmark, Garnett C.
1 68-72
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Garnett C. Hallmark,
dated December 11, 1963.
Hankal, Robert L.
5337 73-75
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert L. Hankal,
dated December 3, 1963.
5338 76
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Robert L. Hankal.
Hansen, Timothy M.
1 77-80
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Timothy M. Hansen,
dated December 11, 1963.
2 80
Sketch drawn by Timothy M. Hansen of the intersection of Main
and Harwood Streets in Dallas.
Hardin, Michael M.
5125-512G 81
Copy of ambulance call tickets, dated November 24, instructing
that Lee Harvey Oswald be taken from city jail to Parkland.
\\
Hardin, Michael M.— Continued -P^fe
5127 81
Copy of charges for ambulance services, dated November 23, 1963,
made out to Lee Harvey Oswald.
Harrison, William J.
5027 82
Sketch drawn by William J. Harrison of the subbasement of the
Police and Courts Building.
5028 82
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by William J. Harrison.
5029 83-86
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with William J. Harrison,
dated December 6, 1963.
5030 87
Copy of a letter from William J. Harrison to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 24, 1963.
5031 88
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with William J. Harrison,
dated November 25, 1963.
Hartogs, Renatus
1 89-90
Copy of psychiatrist's report of an examination of Lee Harvey
Oswald, made by Dr. Renatus Hartogs and dated May 7, 1953.
Helmick, Wanda
1 91
Sketch drawn by Wanda Helmick of the inside of the Bull Pen
Drive-In in Dallas.
Herndon, Bell P.
1-12 92-155
Charts from the polygraph examination of Jack Ruby.
Hill, Gerald L.
A 156
Photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald being subdued in the Texas
Theatre.
B 156
Photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald being taken from the Texas
Theatre.
C 157
Photograph of crowd in front of the Texas Theatre during the
arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Hill, Jean L.
5 158
Sketch drawn by Jean L. Hill showing her location at the time of
the assassination.
Hodge, Alfred D.
1 159
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Alfred D. Hodge, dated
November 24, 1963.
Holland, S. M.
A 160
Hand-drawn sketch of the Triple Underpass showing the position
of S. M. Holland at the time of the assassination.
B 161
Photograph taken by S. M. Holland shovdng his son at the railing
of the Triple Underpass above Elm Street in Dallas.
vii
Holland, S. M.— Continued ^o^c
C 162
Photograph taken by S. M. Holland from above the Triple Under-
pass on Elm Street and the Texas School Book Depository
Building.
D 163
Copy of sworn affidavit of S. M. Holland, dated November 22, 1963.
Holly, Harold B.
5109 164-165
Copy of a letter from Jack Revill to Chief Jesse E. Curry, datetl
December 1, 1963.
5110 166-170
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Harold B. Holly, dated
December 7, 1963.
5111 171
Copy of a letter from A. M. Eberhardt to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 29, 1963.
Holmes, Harry D.
1 172
Copy of an application for post office box 6225, by Lee Harvey
Oswald, dated November 1, 1963.
1-A 173
Sample form for application for post office box.
2 174
Copy of a Klein's advertisement of a 6.5 Italian carbine, taken
from Field and Stream magazine, November 1963.
2-A 175
Copy of an application for post office box 5475 by Jack Ruby,
dated November 7, 1963.
3 176
Copy of an application for post office box 2915, by Lee Harvey
Oswald, dated October 9, 1962.
3-A 176
Change-of -address card for Lee Harvey Oswald, dated October 11,
1963.
4 177-180
Statement of Harry D. Holmes, dated December 17, 1963.
5 181
Copy of circular entitled "Wanted for Treason."
6 182
Copy of an application for post office Box 5475 by Jack Ruby,
dated November 7, 1963.
Hudson, Emmett J.
1 183
Photograph of Presidential motorcade taken by Phil Willis.
Huffaker, Robert S.
5331 184-185
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert S. Huffaker,
dated November 28, 1963.
5332 186-187
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert S. Huffaker,
dated December 2, 1963.
5333 188
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Robert S. Huffaker.
Hulen, Richard L.
1 189
Copy of an application by Jack Ruby for membership in the
Dallas YMCA, dated September 2. 1958.
viii
Hulen, Richard L. — (Continued ^«^«
2 189
Handwritten list of four ir)62 entries and one 1963 entry entitled
"Residence — Lee Oswald."
3 190
Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald
indicating that he spent the evening of October 15, 1962, there.
4 190
Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald
Indicating that he spent the evening of October 16, 1962, there.
5 191
Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald
indicating that he spent the evening of October 16, 1962, there.
6 191
Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald
indicating that he spent the evening of October IS, 1962, there.
7 192
Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas I'MCA to Lee Harvey
Oswald, indicating that he spent the evening of October 3, 1963,
there.
8 192
A sample transient record card of the Dallas YMCA.
9 193
Ledger sheet of the Dallas YMCA showing payments of transient
guests for October 15, October 16, and part of October 17, 1962.
10 194
Ledger sheet of the Dallas YMCA showing payments of transient
guests for part of October 17, October 18, and part of October 19,
1962.
11 195
Ledger sheet of the Dallas YMCA showing payments of transient
guests for October 2, October 3, and part of October 4, 1963.
12 196
Copy of the Dallas YMCA residence hall report dated October 3,
1963, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient in."
13 197
Copy of a Dallas YMCA residence hall report, dated October 4,
1963, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient out."
14 198
Copy of a Dallas YMCA residence hall report dated October 15,
1962, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient in."
15 199
Copy of a Dallas YMCA residence hall report dated Octoher 19,
1962, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient out."
Hulse, C. E.
5135 200-201
Copy of a radio call sheet of the Dallas Police Department, dated
November 24, 1963.
Hunley, Bobb W.
1 202-203
Copy of an interstate request for reconsideration of monetary
determination filed by Lee Harvey Oswald on April 29, 1963.
2. 204-205
Copy of a continued interstate claim filed by Lee Harvey Oswald,
dated September 3, 1963.
3 206-207
Copy of a continued interstate claim filed by Lee Harvey Oswald,
dated May 7, 1963.
4 208-209
Copy of a document identical to Hunley Exhibit No. 1 except for
some additional i)encil notes.
ix
Hunley, Bobb W.— Continued P<we
5 210-211
Copy of a continued interstate claim, executed by Lee Harvey
Oswald, on July 30, 1963.
6 212-213
Copy of an interstate claim supplement, executed by Lee Harvey
Oswald, on July 21, 1963.
7 214-215
Copy of a continued interstate claim filed by Lee Harvey Oswald,
dated May 15, 1963.
Isaacs, Martin
1 216-231
Documents in the files of the city of New York Department of
Welfare relating to Lee Harvey Oswald.
2 232-233
Copy of a resource summary of the New York City Department of
Welfare on Lee Harvey Oswald, dated June 13, 1962.
3 234
New York State Department of Welfare memorandum from Janet
Ruscoll to Lula Jean Elliott, dated June 14, 1962, re Lee Harvey
Oswald.
James, Virginia H.
1 235
Department of State reference slip from B. Waterman to V. James,
attaching a memorandum from the American Embassy in Moscow
to the Department of State.
2 236-237
Department of State memorandum from Robert I. Owen to John
E. Crump, dated March 16, 1962.
3 238
Telegram to the Secretary of State from the American Embassy in
Moscow.
3-A 239-240
Department of State memorandum from Robert F. Hale to Michel
Cieplinski.
4 241
Letter from Robert H. Robinson, Immigration and Naturalization
Service, to Michel Cieplinski, Department of State, dated May 9,
1962.
5 242
Memorandum to the Secretary of State from American Embassy
in Moscow.
6 243-244
Copy of letter from Michel Cieplinski, Department of State, to
Raymond F. Farrell, Inmiigration and Naturalization Service,
dated March 27, 1962.
7 245
Telegram from the Department of State to the American Embassy
in Moscow.
8 246
Telegram from the Department of State to the American Embassy
in Moscow.
9 247-249
Transmittal slip from the Department of State to the American
Embassy in Moscow, dated March 16, 1962, attaching memo-
randum from Robert I. Owen to John E. Crump, dated March 16,
1962.
10 250
Copy of letter from the Department of State to Marguerite Oswald.
dated June 7, 1962.
X
James, Virginia H. — Continued ^*S'*^
11 251
Telegram from the American Embassy in Moscow to the Secre-
tary of State.
Jenkins, Marion T.
36 252-253
Copy of a statement made by I>r. Marion T. Jenkins to the dean
of the Southwestern Medical School, dated November 22, 1963,
concerning the resuscitative efforts made in behalf of President
John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963.
Jenkins, Ronald L.
1 254-256
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Ronald L. Jenkins,
dated December 10, 1963.
Johnson, Arnold S.
1 257-259
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Worker, dated June 10,
1962.
2 260
Letter from Arnold S. Johnson to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated
July 31, 1963.
3 261
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Arnold S. Johnson, dated
August 13, 1963.
4 262-264
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Communist Party, dated
August 28, 1963.
4-A 265
Letter from Arnold S. Johnson to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated
September 19, 1963.
5 266-268
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Mr. Bert of the Worker, dated
August 31, with envelope.
5-A 269
Photograph of an advertisement for the Worker.
6 270
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Communist Party, dated
September 1, 1963.
7 271-275
Undated letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Arnold S. Johnson,
with envelope postmarked November 1, 1963.
Johnson, Gladys J.
A 276
Copy of a roominghouse register, dated October 14, 1963, through
November 25, 1963, bearing the signature O. H. Lee.
Johnson, Priscilla M.
1 277-285
Copy of handwritten notes taken by Priscilla M. Johnson during
an interview with Lee Harvey Oswald, on or about November 16,
1959.
2 286-289
Copy of an article submitted by Priscilla Johnson to North Ameri-
can Newspaper Alliance.
3 290
Copy of a newspaper clipping entitled "The Stuff of Which Fanat-
ics Are Made," published in the Boston Globe, on November 24,
1963.
xi
Johnson, Priscilla M. — Continued Page
4 291
Copy of a newspaper clipping of an interview with Priscilla John-
son, published in the Christian Science Monitor, on November 25,
1963.
5 292-306
Copy of a statement made by Priscilla Johnson to the Department
of State.
6 307-311
Magazine clipping entitled "Oswald in Moscow," published in
Harpers magazine in April 1964.
Johnson, Speedy
1 312
Copy of an FBI report of an interview of Speedy Johnson, dated
December 6, 1963.
Johnston, David L.
1 313-316
Report prepared by David L. Johnston concerning certain events
surrounding the assassination.
2 317-318
Copy of a handwritten list prepared by David L. Johnston of per-
sons involved in the local investigation of the assassination.
3 319-320
Sworn aflSdavit of J. W. Fritz, dated November 22, 1963, charging
Lee Harvey Oswald with the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit.
4 321-322
Sworn affidavit of J. W. Fritz, dated November 22, 1963, charging
Lee Harvey Oswald with the murder of President John F.
Kennedy.
5 323-324
Sworn aflSdavit of Robert E. McKinney, dated November 22, 1963,
charging Lee Harvey Oswald with attempting to murder Gov-
ernor Connally.
Jones, Orville A.
5054 325
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Orville A. Jones, dated
November 25, 1963.
5055 326-328
Copy of a letter from Orville A. Jones to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 26, 1963.
5056 329-331
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Orville A. Jones, dated
December 2, 1963.
5057 332
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Orville A. Jones.
Jones, Ronald C.
1 333
Copy of a statement made by Dr. Ronald C. Jones, dated Novem-
ber 23, 1963, concerning the resuscitative efforts made in behalf
of President John F. Kennedy on Noveml>er 22, 1963.
Kaiser, Frankie
A 384
Photograph showing the point at which a clipboard was discov-
ered in the Texas School Book Depository Building.
B 334
Photograph showing the window sill on which a coat was discov-
ered in the domino room of the Texas School Book Depository
Building.
xii
Kaiser, Frankie — Continued ^"-^^
C 335
Photograph showing details of the window sill described in
Kaiser Exhibit B.
Kantor, Seth
1 336
Sketch drawn by Seth Kantor of the main entrance and emergency
areas of Parkland Hospital in Dallas.
2 337
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Seth Kantor.
3 338-402
Handwritten notes made by Seth Kantor concerning events sur-
rounding the assassination.
4 403-121
Notes typed from a tape recording made by Seth Kantor concern-
ing President Kennedy's trip to Texas, November 21-22, 1963.
5 422-426
Handwritten notes made by Seth Kantor of an interview with
Mrs. Michael Paine, and handwritten notes concerning Mrs. J. D.
Tippit.
6. 427
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Seth Kantor, dated
December 3, 1963.
7 428-432
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Seth Kantor, dated
December 3, 1963.
8 433-437
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Seth Kantor, dated
January 3, 1964.
Kaufman, Stanley F.
1 438-439
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Stanley F. Kaufman,
dated November 26, 1963.
Kelley, Thomas J.
A 440-446
Memoranda of interviews with Lee Harvey Oswald on November
23-24, 1963, as summarized by In.spector Thomas J. Kelley of the
U.S. Secret Service.
Kelly, Edward
5133 447
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Edward Kelly, dated
December 10, 1963.
King, Glen D.
1 448
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Glen D. King, dated
January 31, 1964.
2 449-450
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Glen D. King, dated
December 11, 1963.
3 451^52
Copy of a letter from Glen D. King to Chief Jesse E. Curry, dated
December 2, 1963.
4 453-461
Galley proof of a speech made by Glen D. King before the Amer-
ican Society of Newspaper Editors.
5 462-469
Copy of the speech described in King Exhibit No. 4.
xiii
Kleinman, Abraham -Paj/e
1 470-472
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Abraham Kleinman,
dated December 10, 1963.
Knight, Russell
1 473
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Russell Lee Moore,
a.k.a. Russ Knight, dated November 29, 1963.
Kramer, Monica
1-2 474-475
Photographs taken on August 10, 19G1, in Central Square, Minsk,
Russia.
Kravitz, Herbert B.
1 476
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Herbert B. Kravitz,
dated November 29, 1963.
Kriss, Harry M.
5106 477
Copy of a letter from Harry M. Kriss to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 26, 1963.
5107 478-479
Copy of an FBI reiwrt of an interview with Harry M. Kriss,
dated December 4, 1963.
5108 480
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Harry M. Kriss.
Lane, Doyle R.
5118 481
Copy of an application by .Tack Ruby for a money order, dated
November 24, 1963.
5119 481
Copy of a money order receipt given to Jack Ruby, dated Novem-
ber 24, 1963.
Lawrence, Perdue W.
1 482-488
Handwritten instructions from Chief Batchelor to Perdue W.
Lawrence, concerning traffic control for the Presidential motor-
cade.
2 489^-^95
Copy of personnel assignments for the Presidential motorcade
made by Perdue W. Lawrence, dated November 21, 1063.
3 496
Copy of supplementary assignments made by Perdue W. Lawrence,
dated November 22, 1963.
4 497-498
Copy of a letter from I'erdue W. Lawrence to Chief Jesse E.
Curry, dated July 15, 1964.
Leavelle, James R.
A 499-503
Copy of a report by James R. Leavelle concerning the shooting of
President John F. Kennedy and of Officer Tippit.
5088 504-505
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with James R. Leavelle,
dated November 25, 1963.
5089 506-507
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with James K. Leavelle.
dated December 11, 1963.
xiv
Leavelle, James R. — Continued P^oe
5090 508-509
Copy of a report by James R. Leavelle concerning the shooting
of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Lee, Ivan D.
A 510
Photograph showing the rear of General Walker's residence at
4011 Turtle Creek Boulevard in Dallas.
B 510
Photograph showing the entrance to a driveway leading to the
residence of General Walker
Lee, "Vincent T.
1 511
Undated letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play for
Cuba Committee.
2 512-513
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play for Cuba Com-
mittee, dated May 26.
3 514-516
Letter from V. T. Lee, national director of the Fair Play for Cuba
Committee, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated May 29, 1963.
3-A 517
Letter from V. T. Lee, national director of the Fair Play for Cuba
Committee, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated May 22, 1963.
4 518-523
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, enclosing a leaflet en-
titled "Hands Off Cuba" and Fair Play for Cuba Committee order
blank.
5 524-525
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, dated August 1.
6 526-528
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, dated August 12,
1963, enclosing a sworn affidavit charging Oswald and others with
disturbing the peace in New Orleans, and a newspaper clipping
concerning the conviction of Oswald for disturbing the peace.
7 529-531
Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, dated August 17,
with envelope.
8-A 531
Change-of -address card from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play
for Cuba Committee, postmarked May 14, 1963.
8-B 532
Change-of-address card from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play
for Cuba Committee, postmarked June 12, 1963.
8-C 532
Change-of-address card from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play
for Cuba Committee, postmarked November 2, 1963.
9 533
Envelope from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, Fair Play for
Cuba Committee, postmarked August 4, 1963.
Lewis, Aubrey L.
1 533
Dallas Police Department photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald,
taken November 23, 1963.
Lewis, L. J.
A 534
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with L. J. Levi'is, dated
January 22, 1964.
XV
Lowery, Roy L. Page
5081 535
Copy of a letter from Roy L. Lowery to Chief "Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 24, 1963.
5082 536-537
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Roy L. Lowery, dated
November 25, 1963.
5083 538-542
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Roy L. Lowery, dated
December 3, 1963.
5084 543
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Roy L. Lowery.
5085 544-545
Copy of a report from P. G. McCaghren to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated December 1, 1963.
McCullough, John G.
1 546
Sketch of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, dra\\'n
by John G. McCullough.
2 547-551
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with John G. ^McCullough,
dated December 1, 1963.
McCurdy, Danny P.
1 552-553
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Danny P. McCurdy,
dated November 29, 1963.
McMillon, Thomas D.
5015 554
Sketch drawn by Thomas D. McMillon of the location of the Po-
lice and Courts Building.
5016 555
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Thomas D. McMillon.
5017 556-560
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Thomas D. McMillon,
dated December 5, 1963.
5018 561-562
Copy of a letter from Thomas D. McMillon to Chief Jesse E.
Curry, dated November 27, 1963.
5019 563-564
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Thomas D. McMillon,
dated November 25, 1963.
5020 565-570
Copy of handwritten version of McMillon Exhibit No. 5018.
Markham, Helen L.
1 571-599
Copy of a transcript of a tape recording of an alleged telephone
conversation between Helen L. Markham and Mark Lane.
2 600-601
Letter from James Kerr to Helen L. ]Markhani, dated July 10,
1964, with envelope.
Martin, Frank M.
5058 602
Copy of a letter from Frank M. Martin to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 26, 1963.
5059 603-604
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Frank M. Martin,
dated December 2, 1963.
xvi
Martin, Frank M. — Continued ^"^^
5060 605
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by Frank M. Martin.
Maxey, Billy J.
5094 606-607
Copy of a letter from Billy J. Maxey to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 26, 1963.
5095 608-609
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Billy J. Maxey,
dated December 7, 1963.
5096 610-612
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Billy J. Maxey,
dated December 3, 1963.
Mayo, Logan W.
5111 613
Copy of a letter from Jack Revill to Chief Jesse E. Curry, dated
December 3, 1963.
5112 614
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Logan W. Mayo, dated
December 5, 1963.
Michaelis, Heinz W.
1 615
Copy of a looseleaf notebook page containing a listing of all guns
sold from case No. 3 of a purchase from Empire Wholesale Sport-
ing Goods, Ltd.
2 616
Copy of Seaport Traders, Inc., dated March 13, 1963, recording
the sale of a pistol to A. J. Hidell.
3 617
Original of Michaelis Exhibit No. 2.
4 618
Copy of a Railway Express Agency receipt, dated March 20, 1963,
indicating the shipment of a pistol to A. Hidell.
5 619
Railway Express Agency brief of information for c.o.d. shipment
to A. J. Hidell.
Miller, Austin L.
A 620
Sketch of the Triple Underpass area showing the position of
Austin L. Miller at the time of the assassination.
Miller, Dave L.
1 621-622
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Dave L. Miller, dated
January 6, 1964.
Miller, Louis D.
5013 623-625
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Louis D. Miller, dated
December 5, 1963.
5014 626
Copy of a letter from Louis D. Miller to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 26, 1963.
Molina, Joe R.
A 627
Letter from Joe R. Molina to the Commission dated March 31, 1964.
Montgomery, L. D.
5004 628
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by L. D. Montgomery.
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744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 2
Montgomery, L. D. — Continued Page
5005 629
Copy of an FBI report of an interview witli L. D. Montgomery,
dated December 5, 1963.
5006 630
Copy of an FBI report of an interview witli L. D. Montgomery,
dated November 25, 1963.
Moore, Henry M.
1 631-637
Copy of a Dallas Police Department receipt for the property of
Lee Harvey Oswald, dated November 26, 1963.
Murphy, Joe E.
A 638
Sketch of the Triple Underpass showing the position of .Joe E.
Murphy at the time of the assassination.
Murret, Lillian
1 639
Photograph of Marguerite Claverie Oswald and Edwin A. Ekdahl,
taken May 5, 194.5.
Nelson, Doris M.
1 640-643
Copy of a statement made by Doris Nelson concerning her activi-
ties at Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963.
Newman, William J.
5037 644
Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as
marked by William .T. Newman.
5038 645
Copy of a letter from William J. Newman to Chief Jesse E. Curry,
dated November 26, 1963.
5038-A 646
Copy of a statement made by William J. Newman.
5038-B 647
Copy of a memorandum from R. W. Westphal to Lieutenant Revill,
dated December 6, 1963.
5038-C 648
Copy of a letter from Jack Revill and C. C. Wallace to Chief Jesse
E. Curry, dated December 1, 1963.
5038-D 649
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with William J. Newman,
dated December 5, 1963.
5038-E 650
Photograph showing man identified by William J. Newman as
Jerome Casten.
Newnam, John
1 651
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with John Newnam, dated
December 4, 1963.
2 652
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with John Newnam, dated
December 11, 1963.
3 653-671
Copy of testimony given by John Newnam at the trial of Jack
Ruby.
4 672
Sketch of the second floor of the Dallas Morning News Building,
drawn by John Newnam.
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Nichols, Alice R. ^^^
5355 673-681
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Alice R. Nichols,
dated November 25, 196.'i.
5356 682^683
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Alice R. Nichols,
dated January 18, 1964.
Nichols, H. Louis
A / 684-686
Copy of a letter from H. Louis Nichols to Leon Jaworski, dated
February 10, 1964.
Norton, Robert L.
1 687
Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert L. Norton,
dated November 29, 1963.
Odio, Sylvia
1 688-691
Copy of a letter written in Spanish to Sylvia Odio from her father,
dated December 25, 1963.
Odum, Bardwell D.
1 691
Photograph of an unknown individual which was furnished the
FBI by the Central Intelliuence Agency.
Oliver, Revilo P.
1 692-717
Cover, contents page, an article entitled "Assassination and Its
Aftermath," and an article entitled "Marxmanship in Dallas"
contained in the March 1964 issue of "American Opinion."
2 718-735
Cover, contents page, and an article entitled "Marxmanship in
Dallas" from the February 1964 issue of "American Opinion."
3 736-737
Portions of the Congressional Record for December 4, 1963.
4 738-741
December 20, 1963, issue of "The Councilor."
5 742-744
May 17, 1964, issue of National Enquirer.
6 745-748
January 17, 1964, Issue of "The Herald of Freedom."
7 749
Reprint of newspaper item published in the "National Enquirer."
8 750
Reprint of news item in the Jackson, Miss., "Clarion-Ledger" of
February 21, 1964.
9 751-752
Portions of the Congressional Record for September 3, 1964.
10 753-793
Original transcript of speech delivered by Revilo P. Oliver while
on tour in August and September of 1964.
11 794-797
December 6, 1963, issue of "The Herald of Freedom."
12 798
Newspaper article entitled "UI Officials Study Prof's Article
Attacking Kennedy" which appeared in the February 12, 1964,
issue of the Chicago Daily News.
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OmCB OF THE DIRBCTOB i
' — Gallagher Exhibit No. 1
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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
WASHINGTON IS. D.C.
March 18, 1964
By Courier Service
Honorable J, Lee Rankin
General Counsel
The President *s Commission
200 Maryland Avenue, Northeast
Washington, D. C« 20002
Dear Mr. Rankin:
During the course of discussion of neutron
activation analyses between Mr, Melvin Eisenberg of your
staff and Special Agent John F. Gallagher of this Bureau
on March 16, 1964, Mr. Eisenberg requested the following
information:
1* What are some items in common usage which
contain barium? Some items that may include
barium are: grease, ceramics, glass, paint,
printing ink, paper, rubber, plastics,
leather, cloth, pyrotechnics, oilcloth and
linoleum, storage batteries, matches and
cosmetics.
, 2. What are some items in common usage which
contain antimony? Some items that may
include antimony are: matches, type metal,
lead alloys, paints and lacquers, pigments
for oil and water colors, flameproof
textiles, storage batteries, pyrotechnics,
rubber, pharmaceutical preparations and
calico.
3. What are some items in common usage which
contain both barium and antimony? Barium
and antimony may be found in the following
items: printed paper and cloth, paint,
storage batteries, rubber and matches,
pyrotechnics and possibly other items.
Gallagher Exhibit No. 1
Honorable J. Lee Rankin
4* Would neutron activation analyses show if
a bullet passed through the hole in the
front of President Kennedy *s shirt near
the collar button area and also if a
bullet passed through the material of his
tie? Neutron activation is a sensitive
analytical technique to determine elements
present in a substance. During the course
of the spectrographic examinations previously
conducted of the fabric surrounding the
hole in the front of the shirt, including
the tie, no copper was found in excess of
that present elsewhere in undamaged areas
of the shirt and tie. Therefore, no copper
was found which could be attributed to
projectile fragments.
It Is not felt that the increased sensitivity
of neutron activation analyses would contribute substantially
to the understanding of the origin of this hole and frayed
area*
Sincerely yours,
^
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Co; Ifcr. C. J. Price, Adciiniotirator'
Parkland lleciorial Hospital
jm: A. II. Gior5CcI;c, Jr., IWD.
Associate Aiicsthesiolosict
Dcpartaeiit of Anesthesiology
Subject: Karracivc eunaury - aucathcoia caro for Governor John Connally
Jpon notification ty Dr. M. T. Jcnicino tliat the Prcoidcnc had been shot, I
jT'ibbcd ray cquipuent and proceeded to the E:;;;cr3cncy Rooia via the elevator.
5r. Jcnlcins had taken Che ctairo. Dr. Jackie Hunt brousht an anesthesia
aachine. Dr. Gene A!;in vaa also alon3. Bro. Hunt, Alcin and xjyaelf asaioted
3r. Jcr.kino in cstablichins ventilation in the President, then Dr. Hunt
>rocceucd across the hall to check on Governor Connally' s requireecnts vzhile
[ hooked an oscilloscope to the President with the assistance of Dr. Don
Curtis, an Oral Cuv^jory resident. Having been auinraonod by Dr. Hunt to attend
o Governor Cciiiially, I loft the room just as Doctors Bashcur, Seldin, and
lark arrived.
t ru:;hcJ to operatins rooa No. 5 in the Ilain Operating Suite on the second
loor, where Governor Connally had been talcen. On the way. Dr. Hunt briefed
10 thet she had cjcairancd the Governor and found hia color to be ashen, pulse
>f nor-*:nl rate and volume, but he was dyspneic and tachypaeic, {prunting as he
:i:alcd. She recalled havins passed a cufflink to Mrs. Connally while the
Jovcrnor x.-as having a choot tube placed*
(pen arrival in operating roon No. 5 Joe tL-:ta, our orderly, brought ice an
r^csthosia ir-.chinc, which I hurriedly chocked for safe operation. I then
ntroduccd Ciysclf to the Governor, dctcndLned that ho had not eaten since
arly corning, had not had any serious medical illnesses and had not been in
ihcck. At this tiinc ho liad 150 tnl. of blood above tho tape in the chest
ottlc, his color was as described, his nail beds Xv'cre cyanotic, his pulse was
00 and full, ho was alort and unprcxaedicatcd. I checked his siouth for foreign
odics and started 10 liters per niiuito 02:ygen by cask from the anesthesia
lachinc. A^: this ti&io ho \/as having a cutdown pcrforucd in his right ankle
Giesecke Exhibit 1
GiESECKE Exhibit No. 1
..... c. ,. «cc. ,v....-.i=..-«|OP SECKET
, r.vrl-.la-Ad i:cT.orir:l HoGpital
I.Ic/vc7.i»cr 25, 1903
rr.fjo 2 - ITr.rvr.tivc curxvjri'-aaocthcaia caro
cr.d hie truv;!: clicvcd froa the clr.vJ.clca tloxr.^, Includlus tho rlclit a::illa. A
"olcy cctUcici* x:a3 bcia^ placcJ in liic blaci<2c*- aud 200 cc. urino uao recorded.
r/jccu2C of hie poor color, vccpiraCory distress, aad pro'oablo lor^c blood Iogo,
I decided to or.it pcntothal and to ucc cyclopropane cad o:r^ccn, Accordinoly,
I ac!;ed for r-ict; and for tlic Governor to bo covered \7ith a clean cottcn
biarJ-.ct:. :^t 1300, tx-:enty ninutcjj after arrival In tbc Encrsoncy P.ooa, I ctartcd
cioi.'ly \rlt^ £00 cc. cycloproiiano per r.inutc plua 2 litcro of oj-y^ca per minute,
ni3 color had i:q-.rovod but hia rcopiratio-no vera still rapid at 40 with c^iintins
ciilialations. The Governor loot conccioucncci; xrithout o::citcncnJ: at 1307 end uao
j^ivcn CO sr^. cuccinylcholinc chloride very aicjly intravenously to prevent hard
far.ciculationa and pasaivc rci^r^itation. Lcrynsoacopy vao atraumtic and caay
and no abnorr.ialitics were noted, rnc pharyir: and trachea was cpraycd v/ith 4/i
cocaine and intubated \;xth a 34 ?r. endotracheal tubo with a ICnicht-Crisrs-Sandcre
cu.^f \;hich uao inflated Co provide a jjood fit.
Durinf; the induction Drc. Hunt and Dcuon Baiter connected the leads to tho EGG
:-'c-nitor. Dr. Hunt reported a very transient bradycardia during the intubation.
^"ic pulse rapidly rctur:icd Co ICO and the EIXJ loohcd norr.'^l. A blood pressure *
cuff and ctcthc-scopc x:aa applied to the left am and blood pressure uas noted
at 1C0/7O. Tnc c::plosion»proof X-ray fiachiiia \;a3 tiovod in and X-rays tal;cn of
tho chaot, ri^it arta, and left thi^h ai^d Ic^* Blood vas dra\rn for typo and
crcss-.-.utch, and the hcuo^lobia uas reported ao 15.2 c?n.%, urino iiorj:'.al.
rx.apirationD uorc controlled, the position of the endotracheal tube uao chcchcd
by auscultation of the chest and rcfcrciico to the Il-rays. Tlic Governor was
placed in a scrl-latoral position uith tho voundcd side up. Tlic ri^ht arm x-'as
cupportcd in a clinaover hio chest frca tho operating table. Tiic chin
incision \Taa isadQ at 1335, 55 minutco after arrival in tho liscrscncy Roou,
Doctors Cliaw, Loland, and Dulco operated for 1 hour 45 ninutea. The position
x:as ch::n:;;cd to supine, and Doctors Gregory and Csbomo operated on the ara and
Doctors ShircE, Eaictor, and llcClelland operated on tho left thi^h oiuailtai^ccusly.
Tiic cyclopropane x:.'.s turned off at 10-v5 and 50 v^. r.'^cridinQ xras ^ivcn intra-
venously." Tiie Governor regained conscio'ucncss during the application of tho cast
to the rir;ht arm and forcarra. Tnc endotracheal tube was irri:;atcd x.rith 50 si.
norr-ul calinc- in 10 \rl, incrc^ntc, follcx/od by suctioning, vhlch yielded
r.cr:erata cj^ountc of bloody ctucouo. TIic oropharyn:c uas cleaned. Tlic'cstiniatcd
blood loss at curccry xwa 1,21)6 cc. in tho chest bottle, auction bottle, and
\,-ci.cy.\z<.l s-r.oXiZO'j, Urino output tras 450 cc. llo received 3 liters of ?v.inj;icr'o ■
lactate, 2 liters of Xviiich contained 57. dc::trosc; 2,000 nl. x;holo blood; ai^.d
125 vil, 57* dczctroso in water. Color tjco pinl;, puloo 110, blood pressure 120/70,
c::trer.'iitic5 t7cro v;ara cad dry. He vaa awalco, could open hio eyes and nod his.
haad on camand, cad co uao c::tubatcd. Total aaocthotic timo wao 3 hourc 50
cinutcs; opcrotias tina 3 Uouro 15 utnutco* . .
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GiESECKE Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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Pcrklcr.d Kcaorial lloapital
Kcvc=I;cr 25, 19 G3
?r^o 3 - KnrrativQ sii:imry«ancstheoia ccro
for Covn'-rnor John. Connnlly
Upoa c::tubctlon, Govomor Connolly ciiolto icsnadlatoly, ocying he folt veil
tuw "sJCiS so::u:-;:1ui£ restless, end bc^jan jjroania^ and c^-unting, Taa irzacdlate
poctqjcrctivc course vao satisfactory, without hypotenaion, and with only
a hint of cyar.oaia, x;hich rooolvcd over the follovd.n3 3-4 hourc, during
wliich period he cocplalncd of corcacaa of hia right ohouldcr and a
sensation of needing to urinate, caused by the urctlurul cathcteor.
Luring curscry he received 1 nillioa units of pcaicillia after dcterciinins
he x.'ss not ocasitivo by diccuscioa vriLth bis x/ife and a call to Dr. Swift
in Austin, Te::a5. In addition ho received 500 mg. tctrccycllno. Eo had
received 0.5 cc> tetanus toccoid ia tho Emorgcuocy Room prior to transfer to
the Main Operating Suita.
Siac2i:oly,'
A. H. Gicsccko, Jr./ K.D.
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GiESEOKE Exhibit Xo. 1 — Continued
FD.302 (R.». j.3-5») r'EDERAL BUREAU OF INVEST1GA1 .s/.>J
n... 6/19/64
Mr. CLYDB F. GOODSON, Patrolman, Dallas Police ^ < ^
Department, Dallas, Texas, advised that he and ROBERT B. >^ ^, ^^
COUNTS relieved Oifficer H. L. KENLEY at 5:30 P.M. on No- ^ ^ i^v
veniber 22 , 1963 , to guard the door to the entrance of the ^^^J ^ ^
Homicide Bureau of the Dallas Police Department. Ito. \- if
GOODSON stated there was only one door to the entrance ^ t^^H:^
of this Homicide Bureau and everyone entering it had to "^
.pass by him and Officer COUNTS. ^^^"^
GOODSON related that he knew JACK RUBY and he did ■ . ■ >
not see JACK RUBY at any time while he was on duty, nor did ^
JACK RUBY attempt to enter the Homicide Bureau vsiile he was , cf
on guard at the entrance to the Homicide Bureau. ^
Mr. ^OODSON related that shortly before 6s00 P.M., i
as he recalls, a man fitting the description of JACK RLi^Y ^
came to the door of the Homicide Bureau and wanted to enter. ^ ^
He told him that only authorized law-enforcement officers -2 \^i
could enter and asked him for his identification. Ee stated
the man said he was not a law-enforcement officer and turned
and went back down the hall.
Mr. GOODSON stated that he went off duty between
7:30 P.M. and 8:00 P.M. that night.
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Goodson, Clyde F». Exhi" it 1
on 6/18/64 Dallas, Texas p,,. # PL 44-1639
by Spocicl Agont VINCENT E. DRAIN/ds : j .: p^,^ j..,,,,„j _6A8^^64
Thl:. i-. -ont contalnB n.Uhor r.eomm.ndollona nor conclu.lon. of Ih. FBI. It I. th. prop.rly ol th. FBI ond U loan.d lo
your og^ -/; U ond Ita contants ai« not to ba dUtrlbutod outald* your ooancy.
Goodson Exhibit No. 1
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ro.J03 (n.».a-J-s») FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1 ^ Doto 11/2^/63
Mrs. EVA L. GRANT, 3 92 9 Rawlins Street (Apartment I),
Dallas, Texas, x*as interviewed at her apartment in the presence of
y.rs. PAULINE HALL, a close personal friend of Mrs. GRANT. Mrs. GRANT
advised that she is the sister of JACK LEON RUBY. ^
Mrs. GRANT advised that she has been very upset over the ^ j
events which have occurred in Dallas, Texas, be^jinnins Friday, ,^s
November 22, 1963, with the assassination of President KENNEDY. She'^ ''• ^'
informed that on Tuesday morning, November 19, 1963, she and her '^ ^^ .j
brother saw a picture in the local Dallas paper concerning President T\i , T'
KENNEDY and his young son at the President's desk. She said that ^^ ^^v '-
JACK RUBY called the picture to her attention and in very glov/ing «^ ^ r
terms was very enthusiastic about the President, He told her, for ^-.S
example, that "That man doesn't act like a President. He acts just C -' ' "-
like a normal everyday man with a family." She stated that on . ^'- >
November 22, 1963, a Friday morning, her telephone rang at her l^ T-
apartment, and it was her brother, JACK RUBY, calling. RUBY asked /^
her if she saw the advertisement in the morning paper v/hich was a ^? .^/
full-page ad addressed to "Mr. Kennedy" by BERNARD V/EISMANN. She o
said that JACK RUBY was very upset about this article and, f
undoubtedly it bothered him a great deal, not only on that day but ^^ ^-
for the next two or three days. He called V/£I£>tANN an "SOB" and ^
also said that the newspaper was completely wrong in accepting the ,^
ad. She advised that he told her he had called the "Times Herald"
newspaper in Dallas, and they had advised him that they had turned
down and refused to accept the same advertisement. He was very
commending in his statement regarding that paper refusing the
advertisement.
Mrs. GRANT stated that he was most upset that the ad v/as
addressed to Mr, KENNEDY and thought it should have been addresse-d
to the Honorable President if it had to be in the paper. She
stated that he came to her apartment that day and had the ad fros !
his own paper and took the ad from her paper. She said she
understood both copies of this ad were found in RUBY's automobile
after his arrest by the Dallas Police Officers. She stated that
ZkZlL P.TTEY told her that he had contacted the paper which ran the
advertisement and asked them "^Vhere in the hell do you get off
\
Ex. No.l GIu-I'!T, iiva Daposition
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11/2 ^/63 »♦ Dallas. Texas Pilo j^ DL 44-1639
JACK B. PEDEnJ^'
7 Spocial Agont g ^>ft^XON G. IHOteON ; PaPl Doto dictated ll/2 '^/oS
rhl» documaat contain* /alther r*cofflm«n4atlona nor conclusion* o( tho FBI. It la tho proparty ol tha FBI and la .oanod to
'our aqmney; H ^"'' l'* comanta ara not to ba dlatribu,<.i eutalda your a^ancy.
Grant Exhibit No. 1
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"taking an ad like that? Are you money hungry?"/ She said
that RUBY felt it was a rotten thing for any person to question
the way the President was running this country. She said that
RUDY made a statement regarding the advertisement and regarding
WEISM.\NN, whose name appeared a-c the bottom of the ad, that "If
that guy is a Jew they ought to v/hack the hell out of him." By
that, she advised since RUBY is a Jew he felt that this reflected
against the Jewish race.
She advised that RUBY told her that he went to the
Post Office in downtown Dallas and looked at the box, which box
number appears in the advertisement. Ke told her that the box
was full of mail. According to Mrs. GRANT, after he told her
this, he made the statement, "I bet V/eismann is a Commtinist",
or words to that effect,
Mrs. GRANT advised that she personally "had a crush
on President Kennedy" . She stated that she and her brother
both had a great admiration for President KENNEDY and felt he
was a wonderful President. She said that JACK RUBY is not
greatly interested in political affairs as a rule, but he would
fuss at her if she did not pay, her poll tax, since he felt it
was a patriotic thing to do. (She informed that early Thursday
morning, November 21, 1963, JACK RUBY, as was his custom,
placed advertisements in both Dallas papers concerning the
entertainment to be offered at the Carousel and Vegas Night
Clubs, Dallas, Texas, which clubs he has an interest in.^ She
advised that after President KENNEDY was assassinated on
November 22, I963, he called the newspapers to change the
advertisements to show that the clubs would be closed J'riday,
Saturday, and Sxonday. November 22, 23, and 24, 1963y (She said
that DON SAFFERN (PHJ , a newspaper reporter for the Dallas
"Tices Herald", called him and wanted to kriow if he was sure
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Grant Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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he was not going to qserate those clubs on any of those three
days. He pointed out that some of the other clubs apparently
were not going to be closed for even one night. \Vhen RUBY
heard that the other clubs were not going to be closed, he
became quite upset and asked DON how anyone v/ith any kind of
conscience could dance and have a good time after the President
had been killed. He ended up by telling DON that he did_not
care what anyone ^else did, that he was going to close for '' - '■
those three daysJ
(Mrs. GRjVNT displayed a page from the Dallas "Morning
News", dated Saturday, November 23, 1963, in Section 1,
Page 19, containing a one-column ad, approximately four inches
in length, stating tlae Carousel Club on Main Street, Dallas,
would be closed "Friday, Saturday, and Sunday".;
(^Mrs. GRANT recalled that on the day of the
President's assassination, November 22, 1963, JACK RUBY
telephoned her at least eight times and made three personal
visits to her apartment.) She said that he was most upset over
the assassination of the President and described OSWALD as a
"creep" and said, "He has no class." She said that the phrase
"He has no class" was a phrase which RUBY used to indicate his
complete dislike for a person,
Mrs. GRANT informed that her father passed away
several years ago. She said that on Friday when JACK RUBY
was in her ap)artment they had discussed both the death of
her father and the assassination of President KENNEDY. She
advised both she and her brother, JACK, stated that they were
more upset over the "assassination of President KENNEDY than
they were over the death of their own father. She pointed
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out that whon their father died, JACK RUBY seemed v/ell
composed and displayed very little outward emotion. She
said, however, that on Friday afternoon, November 22, 1963,
following the President's assassination, he was terribly
upset. She also pointed out that on Saturday morning, when
JACK kJBY was at her apartment, he cried very noticeably
about the President's assassination. fShe stated that he
discussed sending flowers to the place near the spot where
the President was assassinated, and she feels sure that he
did have flowers delivered to that spoty
(^Mrs. GRiVNT informed that JACK RUBY was in her "N,
apartment on November 22, 1963, from approximately 5:30 PM
until approximately 7:15 PM, and then he dressed and went ^^-^ —
to the synagogue for prayer.")
She stated that on Saturday morning he told her
that he "bummed around with" a person whose first name is
LARRY, an employee of the Carousel Club, all<. night Friday
night. On Saturday morning he and LARRY drove out to a
point on the North Central Expressway in Dallas, Texas,
where there is a large billboard sign to the effect "Impeach
Earl V/arren" or some similar ph:.'aseology. He advised that
he had shown LAPvRY how to take the picture, and LAPv.RY had
taken the picture of this sign. In connection with this
sign, she stated that it has been situated there for some
period of time, and that it has constantly bothered and
annoyed RUBY. She stated that he did not like the sign
and on numerous occasions had mentioned the sign to her.
Mrs. GRANT informed that on Saturday, November 23,
1963, RUBY called STANLEY KAUFMAN, a Dallas attorney, and
Eva Grant Exhibit 1
Grant Exhibit Xo. 1 — Continued
12
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discussed with KAUFMAN the sign and the advertisement in
the newspaper, as well as the assassination of President
KENNEDY by OSWALD. In the conversation with KAUFMAN, he
told KAUFMAN that "I don't know v;hy I want to connect that
sign and the mail box with Oswald, but I do." Also in the
course of conversation, he explained to KAUFMAN that he
had taken a picture of the sign and had gone and physically
observed the mail box which was listed in the advertisement
mentioned above.
Mrs. GRANT related that after RUBY made the
telephone call to Attorney STANLEY KAUFK\N, he left her
apartment and did not return thereto until approximately
4:00 PM, Saturday, November 23, I963. She advised he
remained at her apartment from about 4:00 PM to around
8:00 PM, November 23, 1963, when he again left in his
automobile. She advised she did not hear from P.UBY again
until approximately 10:20 PM, at which time she received
a telephone call from RUBY, stating that among other tjiings
he was going to Radio Station KLIF in Dallas, Texas. (She
stated that from remarks made by RUBY during the 10:20 PM
telephone conversation that she gained the impression RUBY
had been at his residence, 223 S. Ewing (Apartment 207),
Dallas, Texas, since a short time after leaving her place
around 8:00 PM the same date^
/At 11:30 PM, that same night, he called and told
her he had been at Radio Station KLIF where he had talked
with HENRY WADE, District Attorney, Dallas County, Texas,
and RUSS KNIGHT, of Radio Station KLIF, Dallas, Texas.')
(Mrs. GRANT stated that she next heard from her
brother, JACK RUBY, about 12:40 AM, Sunday, November 24, I963
Eva Grant Exhibit 1
Grant Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
*4-731 O— 64— vol. XX 3
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at which time he called her by telephone .") (She sai4 she
ijained the impression that he was at his-^esidenco.J She
volunteered this was the last time that she heard from her
brother, JACK RUBY, prior to contacting him at the City Jail,
Dallas, Sunday afternoon, November 24, 1963, following the
shooting of OSWALD. On this last call, RUDY was worried about
her, GRANT'S, health and told her "to go to bed",
Mrs. GRANT stated that although her brother has
used her address, 392 9 Rawlins Street, Dallas, for mailing
purposes, he has never lived there.
Mrs. GRANT said, to the best of her knov.-ledge, JACK
RUBY has never been a "joiner" of organizations and does not
belong to any group or organization of any kind and has no
particular political philosophy. She described him as an
"American" and a great admirer of President KENNEDY. She
further advised she has never seen or heard anything which
might indicate her brother, JACK RUBY, is connected or
affiliated in any way \\fith any Communist or Cuban organization,
She \>fas very emphatic in stating that she and JACK RUBY are
very strongly opposed to any Communist organization or any
group which they felt might be backed by Communists.
Mrs. GRANT further stated that she has heard through
a television or news media that an individual made a remark
to the effect that OSWALD had been seen in the night club
operated by JACK RUBY. She stated in most emphatic terms
that she is absolutely positive that RUBY has never had any
connection with OSWALD in any way. She admitted that she did
not know every individual her brother knew, but she is still
certain he did not know OSWALD.
Mrs, GR/\NT said she was permitted to visit her
brother, JACK RUBY, at the City Jail, Dallas, Texas, on the
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Grant Exhibit Xo. 1 — Continued
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afternoon of Sunday, November 24, 1963; however, she did not
en/^age hiiu in any conversation as to why he shot OSWALD, nor
did RUBY volunteer any information to her in this regard.
Eva Grant Exhibit 1
Grant Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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FD^oa (n.«. i-**4») ' FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
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1 Qgi^ Novem'ber 30, I963
/Mrs. EVA L. GRANT, 3929 Rawlins, was telephonlcally contacted
at the Vefeas Clul), 35O8 Oak Lawn, Dallas, Texas. She stated that she
first came to Dallas, Texas In August of either 19^+2 or Av^2U3t of 19i+3y
^he advised that a buildlns was "being erected at I717 S. Ervay
Lei8 shortly after she arrived in Dallas; and she arranged to lease
She informed that she started to operate the Singapore Club at that
ress.
Mrs. GRANT said that her brother, JACK RUBY, visited her in
Dallas a few times while he was still in the service of the United
States. She stated that he' moved to Dallas permanently in either
April or May, l^kQ. She was not certain of the month he arrived in
Dallas, but she was reasonably certain that the year was 19^.
/Mrs. GRANT stated that she^left Dallas, Texas in I9W and
went to t&fe west, coast. She informed that she returned to Dallas two
or three times after 19^; &QCL has made Dallas her home since April,
1959^
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tDooj iH.». J-J.»9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
12/2/G3
Date
Mrs. EVA GRANT, sister of JACK RUBY, 3929 Rawlins,
telephonically contacted SA JACK B. PEDEN on December 2, 1963.
She made reference to a previous conversation between SA PZDZN
and herself. She talked in a rambling manner, and very fast,
regarding her past. She stated that she was in Los Angeles in the
fall of 1943 and referred to her mother's death in April 1944.
The purpose of her call appeared to be to assure the Ascnt that she
had been trying to cooperate with the FBI and she v/as afraid she had
furnished previous information which might not be exactly correct as
to the date. In her conversation she referred to tho fact that she
had run a kitchen for a FRANKIE DOLAN in Los Angeles, California,
and had at one time gone from door to door selling magazines.
Mrs. GRAKT apparently wanted to assure the FBI that she ^
would be happy to cooperate in any way with the FBI. She was advised ^
that iX any information was desired from her she would be contacted .\ ^
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Ex. No. 3 GrLi.;iT, Eva Deposition
"~ Dallas, Texas 5-23-6/+
on 12/2/63 ,* nalTns, Texac. Pi,, j^ PL 44- 1f;r^9
by Sp.ciol Ag.nt JACK B. PEDEN - LAC Dato dictotod 12/2/63
Thta deeuacnt conlala* n«lth«r racemBandallons nor concluatons ol th* FBI. It la tha proparty ol tha FBI asd la loanad to
yoir a«aaer; 11 aa4 lla eoBloBla or* •ot la ba dlaUlbutad outalda your ogancy.
Grant Exhibit No. 3
17
roooi (R.».»o.i9) FfcOERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1/2/5U
Dato
EVA GRANT, sister of JACK L„ RUBY, advised tele-
T^v./N'ni-o^n V that she was previously married to one MAGID and
S'"J;"ried on oJ Ib^u? August 2l' 1936, to FRANK GRAV.NOVSKY,
also known as FRANK GRANT, at San Francisco, Calxfornia. She
said she was divorced from GRANT some five years la.er m Los
Angeles, California, her attorney being one SANFORD.
She said she had heard a rumor seven or eight years
ago from an unrecalled source that FRANK GRANT had died
FRANK had a sister named PEARL who also used the name GRAKT.
This woman was single when EVA last heard of her. Pt-ARL
worked as a buyer of purses for some Los Angeles store such
as "Burt's" or "Butler Brothers". (JRANK had a sister named ^;
ROSE SOLOMON in Los AngelesJ FRANK GRANT worked around V
Hollywood Studios and was a-member of ITASE Union. EVA GRANT -j
stated she did not know the full name of this union. She ^ ;
professed to be unable to supply a street address for FRANK GRANT. ^ .^
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GASTON C. THOMPSON - LAC , ^ 12/31/63
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FD-302 (R.V. 3-3.59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date 11/25/63
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L. C. GRAVES, Detective, Homicide Bureau,
Dallas Police Department, advised ho was assigned to
escort LEE EARVEY OSWALD out of the Dallas City Jail
into a waiting armored car on the morning of November
2A 1963. At approximately 11:15 AM, GRAVES advised he
and Officer JA^^IES LEAVELLE left the jail, office located
in the basement of Dallas City Hall. He advised LEAVELLE
was handcuffed to OSWALD by his left wrist to OSWALD'S
right wrist. GRAVES advised ho was on the left side of
OSWALD and was holding him with the right arm. He stated
at approximately 11:20, they were leaving tho jail office
entrance in the basement when , JACK RUBY fired a pistol at
OSWALD. GRAVES stated h© immediately grabbed RUBY's wrist
with his left hand and seized the weapon with his right
hand. He stated h© was able to disarm RLBY, who was then
seized by several officers. GRAVES stated h© kept this
weapon in his possession until such time ha turned it
over to Captain WILL FRITZ, immediate superior of the
Homicide Bureau of the Dallas Police Department
EX.NO.5003-A GRAVES,L.C. Deposition
Dallas 3-24-04
11/24/6^ ^ Dallas, Texas c:i^ if PL 44-1639
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by Spociol Ag,-. 3 KENNETH R. ALBERI^fe RICHARD T. B MJMm.^ 11/24/63
Thl. <locum.nt contain, neither „c xERO ndo'lon. "« conelu.lon. ol th. FBI. It U t^;^^-p.rty of Ih. FBI and U loan.d to
your agoney; It and It. content, ar.coprjo b. dUlrlbutod out.ld. your ag.ncy. jcopt
Graves (L. C.) Exhibit No. 5003-A
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FD.302 (R.». 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
nnt, 11/25/63
Detective L. C. GRAVES, 7811 Maxwell Avenue,
Dallas, advised about 11:15 a.m., November 24, 1963, *
L£E HARVEY OSWALD was taken from the Homicide and Robbery
Bureau, Dallas Police Department, located on the third
floor of the City Hall Building, for the purpose of
transporting him to the Dallas County Jail. OSWALD was
handcuffed and was thereafter handcuffed to the left
hand of Detective J. R. LEAVELLE, Homicide and Robbery
Bureau. GRAVES stated that he had hold of the left arm
of OSWALD. He stated that Captain J. W. FRITZ, Homicide
and Robbery Bureau, and Lieutenant R. E. SWAIN, Burglary
and Theft Bureau, proceeded in front of them, and L. D.
MONTGOMERY, Homicide and Robbery Bureau brought up the
rear. All of the above mentioned individuals proceeded
from the third floor by way of the jail elevator to the
jail office located in the basement of the City Hall
Building. Homli:;ide and Robbery detectives E. R. BECK and
C. N. DHOR^TSr had previously departed for the purpose
of getting the transportation cars into position.
Detective GRAVES and LEAVELLE after arriving
in the jail office hesitated at the door leading from the
jail office into the outside corridor until they obtained
an all-clear signal from Captain FRITZ who had proceeded
into the corridor ahead of them. GRAVES stated that
thereafter, he and LEAVELLE, with OSWALD between them as
previously described, proceeded from the jail office into
the corridor leading out into the underground parking area.
It was noted in the corridor that uniform officers were
lined \p along the wall, and that news media were gathered
on the auto ramp to the left and front of GRAVES and the
escorting officers. The car in which OSWALD was to be
transported was on the ramp and was backing up to the
position where OSWALD could get in. Captain FRITZ was
in the lead and was stopped at the edge of the ramp
waiting to get into the front seat of the car. GRAVES
and LEAVELLE stopped momentarily for the car to back up.
When the bumper of the car got even with the right side
of LEAVELLE, JACK RUBY darted from the crowd of news
media about six feet away and had gun in hand. RUBY shot
OSWALD at a distance of approximately fifteen Inches away.
on 11/24/63 Dallas, Texas/ Pl,^ ^ PL 44-1639
by Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUt /wvm Dot. dictated 11/24/63
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your agancy; II and Ua ooB^anta ara not to ba dUlrlbulad outslda your oqancy.
GrA-ves (L. C.) Exhibit No. 5003-B
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GRAVES stated that at that time, he grabbed RUBY's gun hand
and took the gun away from him, during which time RUBY was
attempting to fire the gun again.
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The New York Times, Friday, November 29, 1963
GUNSMITH ATTACHED SIGHT FOR MAN NAMED OSWALD
By John Herbers
Special to The New York Times
Dallas, Nov. 23 — A gunsmith from Irving, Tex., said today he mounted a telescopic
sight on a gun for a man named Oswald about a month ago.
The gunsmith. Dial D. Ryder, said he could not remember what the gun looked
like, nor could he remember the customer.
Mr. Ryder found a receipt showing that he had mounted and adjusted a sight on
a gun for a customer named Oswald. There was no date on the receipt, he said, but
the work was done about a month ago. The customer paid $4.50 for drilling and
$1.50 for boresighting the weapon.
Ordered Gun From Chicago
Lee H. Oswald, accused assassin of President Kennedy ordered a 3.5-mm Italian
carbine from a mail-order house in Chicago last March. It was equipped with a
telescopic sight at the time of the assassination.
"Many people have this kind of work done," Mr. Ryder said. He said he believed
a close examination of the Oswald weapon would show that he had not done the work.
The police and agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation refused to disclose
information about another gun Oswald was supposed to have used to kill Patrolman
J. D. Tippitt when the oflBcer stopped Oswald following the assassination.
That weapon, a .38-caliber pistol, has been turned over to the F.B.I, with other
evidence in the case. It was reported that Oswald bought the pistol about two months
ago and that the police have traced the point of its purchase.
Meanwhile, it appeared that Oswald's employment in a building along the parade
route that President Kennedy would travel was happenstance.
Statements by persons familiar with the circumstances indicated that Oswald
had no way of knowing when he took the job at the Texas School Book Depository
that it would provide a vantage point for assassinating the President.
GRBENiai EixHiBiT No. 2 — Continued
t4-731 O— 64— vol. XX 4
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Oswald returned to Dallas early in October after a mysterious trip to Mexico
and began looking for work, according to persons who saw him daily at that time.
It had been announced here ono Sept. 28 that President Kennedy would visit
Dallas, but no parade route was disclosed. The parade route was not decided on
until shortly before the President's arrival and it was not published until the morning
of his death.
While Oswald was looking for work his Russian-born wife and child lived with
Mrs. Michael R. Paine, a friend, in Irving, a small town near Dallas.
Wesley Randle, a teen-age neighbor of Mrs. Paine, said he heard that Oswald was
looking for a job and told Mrs. Paine that he knew of one at the Texas School Book
Depository.
Mrs. Paine called about the job and on Oct. 14 Oswald went in and made appli-
cation. He was accepted and started work the next day, Oct. 15, as a stock clerk at
$1.25 an hour.
Mrs. Paine said when Oswald got the job he had just received his last unemploy-
ment check and his wife was expecting the arrival of their second child.
He telephoned from Dallas, Mrs. Paine said, and announced "Hooray, I've got
a job."
Mrs. Paine said that the siwrts shop where Mr. Ryder, the gunsmith, works is
about three miles from her home. She did not recall Oswald's making a trip to the
shop.
Mrs. Paine said today that although Oswald was "antireliglous." his wife Marina
had had their daughter, June Lee, baptized when she was about 1 year old.
Mrs. Paine said she thought this was done at tlie St. Seraphin Eastern Orthodox
Church in Dallas. The other Oswald daughter is only a month old and has not been
baptized yet, Mrs. Paine said.
Mrs. Oswald and her daughters were still kept from the public by the Secret
Service today. Mrs. Paine sent her a message through the police that Russian-
speaking women from Texas, New Jersey, Kansas and Ohio had been trying to reach
her to offer to take her and her daughters into their homes. Mrs. Oswald speaks no
English.
Greener Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
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Greener Exhibit Xo. 3
AssMSin's Rin.*
Greener Exhibit k
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Greener Exhibit No. 4
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Gregory Exhibit 1
BODY DIAGRAM
Front
Positior. of vounds on body of Gov. Connally, suffered 11-22-63, as deteralned by __
cons-ultation with attending physicians, Drs. Gregory, Shires and Shaw, Professors
of Surgery, Southwestern Medical School, Dallas, Tex.
M^^^^ ](-^/
Gregory Exhibit No. 1
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Gregory Exhibit 1
BODY DIAGRAM
Left
Right
DIAGR-'-M #2
Probable path and angle of projectile passing through Gov. Connally's body when
wounded on 11-22-63, as detennined by consultation with Dr. Shaw, Professor of
Surgery, Southwestern Medical School, Dallas, Tex.
Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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BODY DIAGR/.
Gregory Exhibit 1
Back
P.oucii dia::rai: of wounds suffered "by Gov. Connally on 11-22-63, Used "by Drs.
Crc^iory, Giircs and Snaw to deteraine exact location of wounds as shown in
Diagram 4^--
Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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Gregory Exhibit 1
3c:
BODY DIAGRAyi'
Right
Roush diasraa utilized by Dr» Shaw, indicating probable path and angle of projectile
Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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Gi«goiy Exhibit 1
DIAGRAM #5
Rough sketch of approximate position of Gov. Connally when wounded on 11-22-63.
Blue line indicates path of projectile through the "body as indicated by examina-
tion of wounds. This is an off-hand sketch and not intended to be used as final
authority on the specific position of the body when wovinded.
Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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FD.302 (R.».3-j-4») FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
n.>. 11/25/63
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JACK RUBY was advised he did not have to make a statcnent;
hu.» ho had a right to talk with a lawyer before nalcing any statcnicnf,
2d that any statement he made could be uc&d against hin 4,n a court o2'\
-w.
RUBY stated he was born March 25, 1911, at Chicaso, Illinois, ^
nd attended the second year of high school but did not complete that j
Dar of school. He presently resides at Apt. 207, 223 South Ev/inj;, ■'' v^-
alias, Texas. He operates the Carousol Club at 1312y Conuncrce , and ;:? ^ >
ho Vegas Club, 3508 Oak Lawn in Dallas, Texas. His name at birth was v ,r- "^
.ACX RUBENSTEIN but he had his name legally chrJnged to JACK RUBY at i^>(^) ^\:
alias, Texas, in 1948 or 1949, Ho has also used the narae JACK LEON c^ ;C
':;... ^ [ f. -I.
RUBY related that he v/as born on the West Side area of '^ ■?
hicafjo r.".-- grew up at unrecalled addresses on llaxv/ell and Holstead /^ J ''^
trcotr.l.i Chicago. As soon as he v/as large enough, he starto'i ^ ^
orliinj airound rodeos and sporting events, selling refreshments. He -', ^^
Iso sold banners at conventions, and scalped tickets for various *** '^
rtin:^ events. Sometime in about 1933 or 1934, he went to C ^
aiiforz.ia where he sold tip sheets at the race tracks on the ;j V .
est Coast. He lived in San Francisco most of the time and also -^ \
old subscriptions to the Hearst newspapers. For a short time in >^ ^
936 he went into business with SAM GORDON who is nov/ a restaurant ^J^
wner in Sacramento, California. He and GORDON bought small turtles,
ainted their backs, and sold them at the fair in Pomona, California,
n about 1937, he returned to Chicago, Illinois, and contacted a
riendj LEON COOK, an attorney, who had organized a Scrap Iron and
unk Handlers Union, A. F. of L. RUBY became Secretary and Treasurer
f this Local at Chicago in 1937 and v/orked at this job until either
he last month of 1939 or January, 1940, when LEON COOK v/as killed
uring an argument at a -union meeting. As he v/as an official of the
nion, he v/as held in jail overnight for questioning but v,'r;3 never .
harged with any crime in connection with the shooting of LEON CCOK.
nan na:;:ed JIM MARTIN was tho person who shot LEON COOK and MAP.TIN
as convic'Js'd of this shooting. After the death of LEON COOK, RUBY
uit his jo'b v/ith the 1$cra.p Iron and Junk Handlers Union. Since he
ad no middle name, ho has frequently since the death of his friend
-EON COOK, used the name LEON as his middle name. Early in 1940,
e traveled throughout the Northeastern part of the United, States,
articular ly in Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, and {l^e\/
aapshire, placing punchboards at manxif acturing plants throughout
hat area. The punchboards gave prizes of candy, with the big prize
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as a cedar chest. He did this until he v/as inducted into the U. S,
Amy Air Corps, in 1943 at Rockford, Illinois. His Serial Number
v/as possibly 1,076,666 or 3,076,666. \7hile in the service, he took
basic training at Koesler Field, Biloxi, Mississippi, then went to
aircraft mechanic school at Seymour Johnson Air Base at Goldsboro,
Korth Carolina. After he finisJiO'd this school, he was sent to
school at Farningdale, New York, at the factory where the P-47
airplanes were manufactured. Following this school, he went back to
Goldsboro, North Carolina, for a short time. He was subsequently
assigned to Hunter and Drew Air Fields at Savannah, Georgia;
Blumenthr.l Field, Wilmington, North Carolina, and lIcDill Field,
Tar.pa, Florida. He was honorably discharged from the service in
1946 as a private first class. He said no disciplinary action was
taken against him while he was in the military service. He worked
around Chicago helping his brother EARL in a mail order business
until he moved to Dallas, Texas, in June, 1947. His sister, EVA GRANT'
was living in Dallas. He and EVA opened a nightclub known as the
Singapore Club at 1717 S. Ervay and he worked there.
Late in 1947, he returned to Chicago for a few weeks but
his sister, EVA GRANT, called for him to come back to Dallas to
help her so he returned. They changed the name of the Singapore Club
to the Silver Spur and he resumed working there. He lived iri'^a rooa
at 1719-^ S. Ervay while working at the Silver Spur, In 1952, 'he toot
over the Bob Wills Ranch House Club, located at Corinth and
Industrial Streets, and operated both places for a short time, but
soon v/ent broke and lost both clubs. LIARTY GII.IPLE, v/ho is now dead,
and WILLIE EPSTEIN, who now lives in is(?w York City and with his father-
operates a millinery manufacturing shop, assumed some of the debts
and took over the Silver Spur. He v/ent back to Chicago but did not
like living there so after a month or two he decided to return to
Dallas because he owed a lot of money to people in Dallas and v/as
depressed about this and wanted to return to Dallas and make some
money and pay off his debts.
After returning to Dallas, he took the Silver Spur Club
back from GIIIPLE and EPSTEIN ^s -by. that tino they were happy to get
rid of it. In about 1953, he was able to interest JOE BONIS and IRVING
ALXANAN into taking over the Vegas Club with him, They operated that
club for a while, but RUBY and ALKANAN had some disagreements over
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-na^jins the club and had a fight. ALKANAN gave up his interec'i ta
he club and now lives somewhere in California. BONDSis now serving
sentence in the Texas Prison System at Huritcville, Texas, for
odcniy and rape. Sometime in 1955, RUBY got rid of the Silver Spur
iHub and continued operating the Vegas Club, In 1956, he oponod a
club named Hernando's Hideaway on Greenville Avenue in Dallas but it
as nox successful and he lost it after about three months. In 1950,
.e took over the Carousel Club in Dallas, RALPH PAUL, owner of the
iuli Pen Restaurant, has helped him financially for a nunbor of years
nd his brother, EARL RUBY, has also helped him financially. They
CVS an interest in the Carousel Club. Recently, he has beeq trying,
o sell an item known as a "twist board" which is manufactured by
'lasti-Lite Products, Inc, owned by LLOYD ADAMS Qf Fort VoT%h,
dxas, This item is an exercising device.
r lends:
RUBY regards the following persons in Da,llas as his closest
STAIvT[.EY KAUFMAN, Attorney;
Rabbi SILVERI/UN of Congregation Shearith Israel;
GEORGE SENATOR who shares an apartment with him;
ANDREV/ ARMSTRONG, an employee at the Capousel Club;
C-ORBON tIcLENDON, owner of KLIF Radio, and
DEV/EY GROOU, Manager of the Longhorn Ranch Club at
Corinth and Industrial Streets,
RUBY said he does his banking at the Merchants State Bank
n Dallas, Texas, where he xisually does business with bank officer
ACS ETERIDGE. RUBY'S home telephone number is V/Hitehall 1-5601;
is phone number at the Carousel Club ic Riverside 7-2362, and his
hone niiaiber at the Vegas Club is LAkeside 8-4775,
RUBY listed his employees at the Carousel Club as:
JOHN AlsDERSON, trumpet player and bandleader of the John
.Anderson Trio, who lives somewhere in Irving, Texas;.
ViflLL WILLIS, drummer in the trio, address unknown;
BILL SIMMONS, piano player in the trio, address unknown;
KAY COLEMAN, a dancer whose stage name is KATHY KAY, lives
at the Holiday Apartments on Swing Street in Dallas, Texas;
U^
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JOYCE McDonald, a dancer whose stage name is JOY DALE,
410^ - 10th Street, Dallas, Texas;
ICAREN WILLIAMS, a dancer whose stage name is FELISA PRELL,
address in Dallas unknown;
KAREN BENNETT, a dancer known as "Little Lynn," lives at
unknown address in Fort V/orth, Texas;
ANDREV/ ARMSTRONG, bartender and cleanup man, unknov/n address
in South Dallas. ARMSTRONG has the keys to the club and
is familiar with the records at the club showing names of
eoployees;
MARGE, BONNIE, BEaCY, and possibly one other girl, v/hoso
last names are not known, work as waitresses at the club;
RUBY said he was not too well acquainted with employees at
the Ves-s Club because his sister, EVA GRANT, had been looking after
that club until she had surgery recently. Employees at this club, so
far as he can recall, are as follows:
MILTON TH0L:\S, band leader of Brother Bear's Band, address
unknown; , ,.
LEONARD V/OODS; a drummer named McGINNIS, and a boy called
"PIG," are all band members but he does not know their
addresses;
PAULINE, last name unknown, helps manage the place and also
works as a waitress but her address is unknown;
The name and address of the bartender are- unknown.
LOUISE, last name unknown, is a waitress at the club and
her address is unknown.
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O.30J (R.Y. 3.3.5s) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
n„,, 11/25/63
JACK RUBY was advised that he did not have to make
a statement, thE-^he had a right to talk with a lawyer before
making any statement, and any statement he made could be used
against him in a court of law. v^
RUBY stated he was born March 25, 1911, at Chicago,
Illinois, and attended the second year of high school but did 'o^ ^ "^
not complete that year of school. He presently resides at ^ ^f^ /
Apartment 207, 223 South Ewing, Dallas, Texas. He operates /«- < >
the Carousel Club at 13123- Commerce, and the Vegas Club, 3508 ,;)' ^ 'o\
Oak Lawn, in Dallas, Texas. His name at birth was JACK RUBEN- -v: N
STEIN, but he had his name legally changed to JACK RUBY at '-"/:^
Dallas, Texas, in 19^8 or 19^9. He has also used the name C ,/\
JACK LEON RUBY, He has lived in Dallas since 19^7, living /^ \
most of the time in Chicago, Illinois, before that time. ^ j
On Friday, November 22, 1963^ after he heard that ^j ^'^-
President KENNEDY had been assassinated, he placed signs • ^ o
on the doors of both of his clubs, that because of the T ^
death of the President, the clubs would be closed. He had ^ ^
not planned on opening them again until after the President's s^
funeral, because he was ashamed that anyone would v;ant to • , ). ,
participate in dancing or any entertainment after the assassi- V
nation. On Friday night, he went to his church. Congregation
Shearith Israel Synagogue, for prayer, and remembered that
Rabbi SILVERMAN told those present that this tragic event
should make us all better people. He later went to a deli-
catessen and had some sandwiches made up, and drove dovmtovm
and called Detective SIMS at the Homicide and Robbery Bureau
at the Police Department, to see if anyone there v;anted the
sandwiches. Mr. SIMS told him they had all eaten, and the
sandwiches were not needed. RUBY explained that he has
operated night clubs in Dallas since 19^7, and during that
time has become personally acquainted with many members of ■ '
the Dallas Police Department. The officers 'have been very
fair with him, and not one has ever put his hand out for even
one dime. He knew that the police officers were working
very hard, and he Just wanted to do something for them, so
he thought he could help them by getting them some food.
After he talked with Detective SIMS, he decided to call
Radio Station KLIP In Dallas, to see If anyone there wanted
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ii9. docuaVot contains ^./-t"«c rsoooiqandallons nor conciu^tona of th« TBI. It i« tho proparty o< tha TBI aad ia loanad to
VT.sfancyi it and Ita p^^.tanta ^ra not to ba dkatr^bijlad outHlda your ogancy. < ,< -
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the sandwiches. He could not get anyone to ansv/er the
phone, so he walked over to the Police Department to
find someone that could give him the phone number in the
room where the broadcasts were being made at KLIF. VH^ile
in a hallway at the Police Department, he saw the Officers
escorting OSWALD, the man who killed President KEITI-IEDY, down
the hall to an assembly room. He had never seen OSV/ALD be-
fore, and did not know him. He noticed that OSV/ALD had a
black eye, and his face was scratched, and heard OSV/ALD
r.;v,*nble something as he passed by him. OSWALD v;as in the
assembly room for a few moments, then was brought back dovm
the hall and taken upstairs. He later returned home, v;here
he watched television broadcasts about President KENNEDY
and the assassination, and read the newspaper articles about
it. The following morning, he drove down to the spot where
President KENNEDY was killed, and spent about an hour there,
talking for some time with Police Officer CHANEY, who v/as on
duty there. After that, he returned home where he read nev;s-
papers and watched television. Vlhen he was alone, he cried
a great deal, because President KENNEDY was his idol, and
he was grieved that this nut OSWALD did a thing that brought
such grief to the people of Dallas and people all over the
world .
On Saturday night, November 23, 1963, he called a
friend, TOM 0' GRADY, who■v^^as formerly a member of the Dallas
Police Department, and talked with him about President KENNEDY'S
death, but he did not discuss with 0' GRADY anything about
shooting OSWALD, because such 'a thought' had not occurred
to hira at that time.
RUBY declined to give a detailed account of his
activities, or any other names of persons he had been in
contact with during the past few days.
He was also upset over an advertisement by one
BERNARD V/EISSMAN in the Dallas Morning News newspaper of
November 22, I963, criticizing President KENNEDY. RUBY
said he was proud of the fact that he v;as a Jew, and was
ashamed that anyone named WEISSMAN would criticize the
President.
RUBY said that many grievances built up, apparently,
until he reached the point of insanity. He read in the nev;s-
paper about OSWALD having a trial, and he thought that President
KENNEDY'S wife would have to return to Dallas for the trial
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and he did not think she should have to undergo that ordeal.
He recalled that not too long ago an officer of the Dallas
Police Department was killed by a hotel man, and the hotel
man beat the deal and was never even sentenced for the
killing. Because of this, he was afraid that if OSV/ALD
v;ere tried in court, he might be turned loose. As he v/alked
do;\'n the stree'bs, he noticed that people v;ere going about
their regular activities, and at night they were in clubs
dancing and having a good time, apparently not in mourning
or grieving continuously as he had. He felt that the civic
leaders of Dallas were very sincere in their sorrow, but
v.'ere helpless to show how much they were grieving. He also
knew that the officers of the Dallas Police Department were
he:. less to do anything to OSWALD for killing President
KENI\EDY. He said he saw Attorney General BOBBY KENNEDY on
television, and thought how much he loved his brother, the
President, and how much BOBBY KENNEDY would like to do
something to OSWALD, but couldn't do anything to OSWALD.
He read newspaper articles about the President's children,
and he thought of the sorrow that had been brought to them.
He said he was proud of the way the City of Dallas had
handled racial problems, and he thought it was the greatest
city in the world, so he wanted to be something, better than
anyone else.
RUBY said he thought about these things, and had
become very emotional. On Sunday morning, November 24,
1963, he left his apartment at about 10:00 a.m. and drove
his car do;^mtown to a parking lot across the street north
of the Western Union Office, at the corner of Main Street
and North Central Expressway. Before he left home, he put
his revolver in his right coat pocket. He had bought this
revolver, a Smith and Wesson .38 special caliber hammerless
revolver, two or three years ago, at Ray's Hardv/are on Single-
ton Avenue, in Dallas, Texas. After parking his car, he
V7ent to the Western Union Office, and sent a $25.00 money
order to an employee, KAREN BENNETT, at Ft. V/orth, Texas,
so that she could go by the Western Union Office there and
pick the money up, as she had requested nim to do. KAREN
BENNETT lives In Ft. Worth.
, Sometime after sending the telegram, he entered
the basecient of the building where the Police Department
in Dallas is located, entering from the Main Street side.
RUBY said he did not wish to say how he got into the
<v^
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basement,, or at what time he entered. He did say that no
one helped him in any v;ay to enter the basement of the
building, and he did not use any press badge or help
anyone move In camera or press equipment Into the building
to gain entrance. When OSV/ALD was brought out through
the door to the basement, RUBY said he was standing among
the press representatives. When OSWALD passed near him,
RUBY pulled his revolver from his pocket, placed the re-
volver next to OSWALD, and fired one shot at OSWALD. RUBY
was immediately grabbed by the Police Officers and taken
into custody.
RUBY said he had not planned to do this v/hen
he went into the basement, but declined to say v/hy he
brought his revolver with him when he came downtovm. He
also declined to give any reason for shooting OSV/ALD, .
except to say that it was Just a moment of insanity that
overcame his sane reasoning when he saw OSWALD.
RUBY said that baslcally,he was a humanitarian,
and was not a Joiner of organizations. He belongs to no
clubs, or groups of any kind, and is not a member of any
political group. He has no particular political philosophy,
and when he votes, he votes for the man that he thinks will
do the best Job. He said he had not talked with anyone
about shooting OSWALD, he made no telephone calls, or
told anyone directly or indirectly that he intended to
shoot OSWALD, and he made no plans to shoot OSWALD. He
said that if OSWALD had confessed to shooting President
KENNEDY, he probably would never have shot 0SV;ALD, because'
he would have felt that OSWALD would have been convicted in
court, but since OSWALD had not confessed to the assassination,
he v/as afraid OSWALD might be turned loose. He said that
hundreds of people had probably thought about v;anting to
kill OSWALD, but he knew that no one would do anything about •
it. Then, after he had shot OSV/ALD, he wondered v;hether he
had not been a sucker, even though he had done what many
people had probably wanted to do. He said he was not in-
volved in any conspiracy with anyone, no one asked him or
suggested to him that he shoot OSV/ALD, and no one gave him a
shot in the arm or anything to give him courage to do this.
It was simply a compulsive act.
RUBY described himself as a white male, born March
25, I91I/ at Chicago, Illinois. He is five feet, nine inches
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weighs 175 pounds, has brown hair thinning on top, brown eyos,
and niodiun complexion. His loft forefinger has the first joint
r.iissing, which ho said was bitton off in a fight at one of his
clubs in Dallas a number of years ago. Ho furnished the follow-
ing naaes and addresses of his relatives:
Parents
JOSEPH and FANNIE RUBENSTEIN,
deceased
Brothers EARL RUBY, in care of Cobo Cleaners,
Livernois Street, Detroit, Michigan
SAMUEL RUBY, 116 Rochelle, Dallas,
Texas, employed as a serviceman of
washaterias.
HYUAN RUBENSTEIN, 1044 V^ Loyola,
Chicago, Illinois, a salesman
Sisters Mrs. ANN VOLPERT,1044 W. Loyola,
Chicago, Illinois, a saleslady at
unknown department store.
Mrs. MARIAN CARROLL, 1044 W. Loyola,
Chicago, Illinois, employee at unknown
U. S. Government agency.
Mrs. ILENE KAMISKY, 6427 N. Tolman,
Chicago, Illinois, whose husband is
HAROLD KAMINSKY, an accountant.
Mrs. EVE GRANT, 2939 Rawlins, Dallas,
Texas, part owner of Vegas Club.
RUBY said that at tho time of the shooting of OSV.'ALD, he,
RUBY, was wearing a gray hat, charcoal brown suit, black shoes,
whito ;::liirt, and charcoal black tie. His automobile is a white
1S50 Oidsmobile tudor sedan, and his 1963 Texas license is believed
to bs PD 678. He said he had considerable money on his person whan
arrested, considerably over $1,000.00, and this -was money that ho had
for his payroll at his clubs, as well as excise tax. He also had
an unknown amount of money in the trunk of his automobile, and an
unknown amount of money at his apartment house. Ho said that no
one had given him any money for any reason whatsoever. He had this
money because he owes a lot of bills, and did not want to put the
money in his bank account. ^
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RUBY said that he was not personally acquainted with
officer TIPPITT, of the Dallas Police, who was reportedly shot by
OSWALD.
At th?! tine the Intrrvie'-' "tth RUB'f couuneQCf:d; IXit'^ctivrrs T, D.
McMTLTAfi find B- S. CLARDY, Auto Theft ?.a.vai.i.. Dallae Po31ce Dspartmentj
vere on duty a? gun,rd? ov«r KUBY in a. cell on the fifth floor JkII at the.
Dallas Police Department. Uniformed officer fC. K, HAAKE, Br»d.ge Wo. 1107,
was on duty^t the outer door of tho cellhlocks.
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Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
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Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 3
JACK L. RUBY was interviewed in an interview room
located on floor 5-M of the Dallas County Jail, Dallas, Texas.
His attorneys, MELVIN BELLI, San Francisco, California;
JOE TONAHILL, Jasper, Texas; SAM BRODY, Los Angeles, California,
and WILLIAM CHOULOS, San Francisco, California, were present.
The interview commenced at 1:50 PM and continued until 3:30 PM,
when RUBY went to the rest room. It was resumed again at 3:34 PM '
and continued until 5:00 PM. '
JACK L. RUBY was advised by SA C. RAY HALL that he did ix^ ^
not have to make any statement. He was reminded that his attorneys x '-i-
were present, and that any statements he made in answers to y)'>'^
questions could be used against him in a court of law. ~ '^ C"
JACK L. RUBY then furnished the following information:
On the night of Wednesday, November 20, 1953, he was at '^
his club, the Carousel Club, in Dallas, Texas. He thinks he closed /i .
the club at about 2:00 AM on November 21, 195 3. One of his dancers,^ ^fy
called "LITTLE LYNN", drank some champagne before closing, and when /^ -V
she started home she got sick and passed out at Nichols Brothers /
parking garage near his club. He thinks this occurred after ■; ? -^
2:00 AM on November 21, 196 3, but it could have been after ^ r^
2:00 AM on November 20, 1963. He went over to see about her, 7^
and tried to get her to go to a hospital, but she refused to go. nA ;v\
He remained with her, trying to take care of her, until 4:00 AM ,
or 5:00 AM and then went home, so far as he can now recall. After ,
he got home, he went to bed and went to sleep. \r
At about 10:30 AM or 11:00 AM on November 21, 1953, he
received a telephone call at home from a girl named TRAMMELL, whose
first name may be CONNIE, or something similar. He met this girl
at the Carousel Club about ^ight months previously, and since meeting
her she has called him on the telephone several times. The
TRAI-^MELL girl lives in an apartment on either Gaston Avenue or •
Live Oak Street in Dallas, When she called him on November 21,
1953, she told him that she had to get a job an<i that she had
an appointment with LAMAR HUNT. He asked her how she got an
appointment with HUNT, and she told him that she called HUNT'S
home and got his number, then just called his office and asked
him for an appointment about a job. _ .^
Zx.No.3 HjiLL, C. Ray Deposition _
Dallas, Texas 5-2S-64
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TRAHMELL asked RUBY to come after her and give her a
ride downtown, so he got dressed, picked her up and drove her
downtown. RUBY had an appointment with his attorney but does
not remember whether it was GRAHAM KOCH or STANLEY KAUFKiAN.
Both attorneys have offices in the Mercantile Securities
Building, Dallas, the same building in which LAMAR HUNT has his
offices.- TRAMMELL went up to -see LAMAR HUNT and after RUBY
completed his business with his attorney regarding some tax
matters, he waited around the cigar stand in the lobby for a
while for , TRAMMELL to come down, but she' did not, so he left and
went to the Carousel Club. When he got to the club, one of his
employees named LARRY was there,
LARRY was a young boy whom he had seen at the State
Fair of Texas, and he gave LARRY a job at the Carousel Club
after the fair closed. He had asked LARRY to build a crate
so he could ship a dog to a friend of RUBY's, AL GRUBER, who
lives on Olympic Street in Los Angeles, California, LARRY had
not built the crate, so he got after him for not having done
what he had asked him to do. So far as he remembers, he stayed
around the Carousel Club "until about 9:30 PM, when he and RALPH
PAUL, who. owns part of the Carousel Club, went to the Egyptian
Lounge for dinner.
While they were eating at the Egyptian Lounge, a man
named CONNORS, who is a salesman for the Dallas Morning News
newspaper,, came over to the table and invited RUBY over to the
Castaway Club located nearby. He declined the invitation because
he did not want to go to this club as the manager had hired an
orchestra away from RUBY that had played for RUBY for sevex^al yearji
After- dinner , RUBY returned to the Carousel Club. During the
evening of November 21, 1963, he did the breaks between shows,
which were two breaks of twenty minutes each, and he used a
roulette wheel to give away prizes to the audience. Sometime
during the evening, he ordered someone out of the club because
he was creating a disturbance, but he has no idea who this person
was. He believes he- closed the Carousel Club at about 2:00 AM on
November 22," 1953, and went home. If he went anywhere to eat
before going home, he does not remember it. He does not now
remember whether GEORGE SENATOR, who shares the apartment with
RUBY, was at home when he arrived there or not, but he went
directly to bed and went to sleep.
OR 20 J
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On the morning of November 22, 1963, RUBY got up at
about 9:30 AM and does not now recall .whether GEORGE SENATOR was
in the apartment or not. He drove downtown and stopped at the
Dallas Morning News at about 10:50 AM. He believes he stopped
for a moment and talked to two girls employed there, GLADYS CRADDOCK
and a girl named CONNELLY or CONNELL. He thinks he gave them a
bottle of Larson's CRD, a food supplement for persons on a diet.
de then went to the office of TONY ZOPPI, but TONY was not there.
RUBY looked over a brochure there about BILL DEMAR, a master of
ceremonies at the Carousel Club. Another employee of the news-
paper, a Mr. PAYNE, may have been in ZOPPI 's office while RUBY
i^as in there.
RUBY left that office and went to Mr. JOHN NEWNAM's
office at the newspaper to talk about RUBY's ads. RUBY was trying
:o make a 12:00 noon deadline. Mr. CONNORS, the same person RUBY
lad seen at- the Egyptian Lounge the previous evening, came in to
^lEWNAM's office, and they talked for a while. NEWNAM came in, and
^UBY completed his advertisements for his clubs.
At about that time, people began running around, and
lUEY heard someone say that somebody had been shot. First, he
leard that Governor CONNALLY had been shot, then a Secret
service Agent, and then someone said that "our beloved President
^as been shot". RUBY then called his sister, EVA GRANT, and told
ler about the shooting and told her he would be at her house as
;oon as he could. He left the Dallas Morning News but does not know
:he time when he left. He drove to the Carousel Club and told his
employee, ANDY ARMSTRONG, to get in touch with everybody and tell
■':hem he was closing his clubs. He then called a friend, ALICE
IICHOLS, and she told him that Neiman-Marcus had closed their
itore. He called AL GRUBER in Los Angeles from the Carousel Club •
md told GRUBER he would send a dog to him soon. RUBY said he
,:alked to GRUBER about the death of President KENNEDY but began
i:rying and finally just told GRUBER he had to break it off and
lung up the telephone.
Somebody brought some merchandise to the club, but he
.oes not remember who it was, and RUBY just told the man to take
he merchandise back as he did not vrant aoy. He called his sister
everal times during the afternoon and was so upset that he was
elligerent toward his employees, ANDY and LARRY, who were at
he Carousel Club. He remembers getting a telephone call from
ATHY KAY; he called his business associate, RALPH PAUL, and told
AUL that he was going to close his clubs; he called BRECK WALL
n Galveston, and also JOE PETERSON; and he called his sister ^
ILEEN in Chicago, locating her at his sister MARIAN'S house.
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Sometime late that afternoon, he left the Carousel
Club and went to the Ritz Delicatessen and bought a lot of food
and then went to the home of his sister in Dallas, EVA GRANT. He
and his sister talked and while there, his employee, AI>IDY, called
and told him that DON SAFRAN , of the Dallas Times .Herald, had
called and wanted to get in touch with him. RUBY then called
SAFRAN, who told RUBY that the Cabana and the Century Room were
going to close and he did not know what ABE and BARNEY WEINSTEIN
were going to do. _, RUBY said he told SAFRAN that he had already
closed, without aSking what the other club owners were doing.
SAFR.\N then asked RUBY about whether he would be open the next
night, and RUBY said he did not know but would call him back.
In a few minutes RUBY called SAFRAN back and told him he was
going to be closed Saturday and Sunday nights, in addition to
Friday night.
At no time did RUBY go to Parkland Hospital on
November 22, 1963. At about 7:00 PM or 8:00 PM, he left his
sister's home and drove to his apartment to get dressed to go
to Congregation Shearith Israel Synagogue, arriving there at
about 10:00 PM or 10:30 PM. Before he left his apartment, he
called Dr. COLEMAN JACOBSON to determine when the services began
at his Synagogue. Following services, refreshments were served,
but he did not feel like visiting with anyone. He stayed there
for a short time, then drove toward downtown. He passed the Club
BaliHai, noticing that it was open, and then drove by the Gay Life
Club and saw that it was closed. He then drove on to Phil's
Delicatessen and went in and talked to the owner, PHIL MILLER,
He had read in the newspaper, or heard over the radio, that the
police officers in the Homicide Bureau would be working overtime
that night, so he ordered ten sandwiches and decided he would
take them something to eat. Afrer he ordered the sandwiches, he
called the Police Department Homicide Bureau and talked to
Detective SIMS, telling him he was getting some sandwiches and
would bring them "down 'for themi SIMS told 'him- they were'about
th: ough'and -were -winding up things there and did -not want any-
thing to eat. After SIMS told him that ^ -he decided he would
take'the sandwiches to the employees at KLIF Radio Station,
He -explained that he has -known -GORDON MC LENDON, owner
of the radio -station, for a number of years, and he also knows
■RUSS KNIGHT, a disk jockey at the station. The employees at the
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radio station have been good about giving him free plugs when
he was trying to get started with his clubs, and he just wanted
to do something for them because he knew they would be working
late. He called GORDON MC LENDON's home, from Phil's Delicatessen,
in order to get a number at the radio station so he could talk to
the men on duty there. The daughter gave him a number, and he
told her he was going to take some sandwiches to the radio
station, but the daughter told him her mother had already sent
some food up there. RUBY called the number he had gotten, but
it was a wrong number.
He picked up his sandwiches and discovered they had made
only eight, when he ordered ten. He drank a soft drink, then left
with his sandwiches and drove downtown, driving up Commerce Street
and parking across from the City Hall. He decided to go to the
Police Department to try to locate some newsmen from KLIF in
order to obtain the unlisted phone number for the radio station.
He went to the third ^loor of the Police Department, where the
newsmen were gathered. As he got off the elevator, a policeman,
who was not known to RUBY, asked him where he was going, or whom
he wanted to see, RUBY told him he was looking for JOE DELONG,
of KLIF, and the officer let him go on inside. He looked around
for a while, without. seeing anyone from KLIF, and asked some
unknown police officer to have JOE DELONG paged over the loud-
speaker. DELONG did not answer the page, but while he was waiting
he saw Captain FRITZ, of the Police Department, come out of his
office with a person, OSWALD. RUBY heard a reporter tell FRITZ
that this was not a good place, so FRITZ went back inside his
office with OSWALD. In a minute, RUBY heard some newsmen say
something about the basement, so he went down there to an
assembly room where some newsmen were.
When he saw OSWALD here, this was the first time that
he had ever seen him. He had never heard the name of LEE HARVEY
OSWALD before OSWALD'S arrest on November 22, 1963, by the Dallas
Police Department. Any rumors that OSWALD was ever at any of
RUBY'S clubs are wrong because RUBY had never seen LEE HARVEY
OSWALD at any place before he saw him with Captain FRITZ at the
Dallas Police Department the night of November 22, 1963. Any
rumors that OSWALD was at the Carousel Club are absolutely untrue.
RUBY has since heard reports that his master of ceremonies at the
Carousel Club, BILL DEMAR, has reported that OSWALD was at the
Carousel Club one night before President KENNEDY was assassinated.
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RUBY said that this is absolutely false, because OSWALD was never
there. RUBY has heard that ED SULLIVAN got in touch with BILL
DEMAR and wanted DEMAR on SULLIVAN'S television program, but
SULLIVAN did not believe DEMAR' s story and would not use him.
RUBY further advised that, newspaper reports that RUBY and OSWALD
were seen together in Waco, Texas, are complete falsehoods because
he was never with OSWALD anywhere. Reports that OSWALD was going
to ruby's apartment after President KENNEDY'S death are abso-
lutely false, because OSWALD did not know RUBY, RUBY has never
had any previous connection with OSWALD, and OSWALD could not
have been going to RUBY's apartment «■ RUBY said that his employee,
ANDY ARMSTRONG, knows more about RUBY's club and RUBY's morals
than anyone else, and ANDY can tell anyone that OSWALD was never
in the Carousel Club.
When RUBY got to the assembly room, he went to the
back of the room and stood on top of a table, so he could see
and be out of the way. In a few minutes j HENRY WADE, the District
Attorney, and Captain FRITZ came into the assembly room with
OSWALD for an interview with the press, OSWALD mumbled or talked
a little, but the newsmen could not hear him. RUBY did not hear
OSWALD either. After a short time. Captain FRITZ took OSWALD
away, HENRY WADE was then interviewed by the newsmen.
RUBY said that he had his revolver in his right front
trouser pocket all during this evening, November. 22 and 23,
195 3, except when he went to church services. He left the
revolver in his car while he was in church but put it back in
his right trouser pocket when he got back to his car. He said
he c arried his gun because he had a lot of money on his person
and "always carried his gun when he carried money.
After the interview with WADE, RUBY left the assembly
room and was out in the corridor, A newsman came by whom RUBY
did not know, and RUBY asked him if he had seen JOE DELONG, of
KLIF. This man said he had not seen DELONG, and RUBY mentioned
that he had some sandwiches for KLIF. This man said he was from
KBOX radio and asked RUBY what was the matter with them . RUBY
said he told the man that next time maybe, but this time he had
the sandwiches for KLIF. This man. from. KBOX then gave RUBY the
unlisted phone number for KLIF, RUBY went around behind the
counter in the basement offices of the Police Department and
telephoned KLIF, talking to an employee named KEN, He told KEN
he had some sandwiches but could not get in the entrance door
to the radio station. At about that time, HENRY WADE walked f^
by, and RUBY was still talking to KEN so he asked KEN if he /7\
wairted- to talk to HENRY WADE. KEN said he did, so RUBY" called V
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to HENRY WADE and told WADE he was wanted on the telephone.
,s'ADE talked on the phone to KEN, then handed the phone back to
RUBY. RUBY talked to KEN again, and KEN told him it was great
bf RUBY to help him get the interview with WADE,
I RUBY said he then left the Police Department building,
vent to his car and drove over to Radio Station KLIF. He got
the sandwiches out of his car to take them upstairs, but the
front door was locked. In about ten or fifteen minutes, RUSS
\NIGHT came by and let him inside. They all went upstairs,
and the employees on duty ate the sandwiches. RUBY left Radio
Station KLIF at about 3:00 AM on November 23, 1963, and drove to
t'r.Q. Dallas Times Herald newspaper building. He went inside and
talked to an employee named PAT GADOSH and gave PAT a twist
Doard, an exerciser. GADOSH is the person at the newspaper who
takes ruby's ads for his clubs.
He talked with GADOSH about the advertisement in the
Dallas Morning News, by BERNARD WEISSMAN, that was critical of
President KENNEDY. GADOSH told RUBY not to worry about the ad,
Decause the Dallas Morning News was suffering enough for carrying
such an ad. RUBY got his ad taken care of and drove toward home,
'. V"^'While driving home, RUBY thought of the similarity
between the BERNARD WEISSMAN advertisement and a sign he had
seen which read, "Impeach EARL WARREN". He drove home and
awakened GEORGE SENATOR and asked SENATOR to go with him. He
called the Carousel Club and awakened his employee, LARRY, and
asked LARRY if he knew how to operate a Polaroid camera, LARRY
said he could operate the camera, so he told LARRY he would be
down to pick up LARRY and the camera, RUBY and SENATOR then
drove to the Carousel Club sometime about 4:00 or 5:00 AM on
Jiovember 23, 195 3, and picked up LARRY and the camera. They
drove to Central Expressway and Ross Avenue, where they found
a sign, about 2 feet by 4 feet, on top of a Potter Steel Company
sign, which read "Impeach EARL WARREN", and at the bottom of this
sign was -"Box 1757, Beltham, Mass,"
They took some photographs of this sign, and RUBY then
remembered that the BERNARD WEISSMAN ad had the address "Box 17 92,
Dallas, Texas", so they drove to the Main Post Office in Dallas
and looked at Post Office Box 1792, RUBY asked a man on duty at
the post office for the name of the man who had Post Office Box
L792, but the man told him he could not give RUBY the name of ^
the box holder. They left and went to the Southland Hotel !\
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Coffee Shop, where RUBY talked for a few minutes with the
owner, a taan believed to be named WEBB, RUBY said as a
patriotic "American he was so upset and intense over the sign,
and— the- a<iv^rtisement critical of President KENNEDY, '-tbat;, he
could not eat anything but drank some orange juice at the
coffee shop. They left the coffee shop and dropped off LARRY
at the Carousel Club at about 6:00 AM. As he got out of the
car, LARRY, told RUBY that he supposed RUBY was not going to
bed, and RUBY told LARRY that he was not going to bed. RUBY
and SENATOR drove on to their apartment and went to bed.
At about 8:30 AM on November 23, 1963, LARRY phoned
RUBY and asked him what kind of dog food he wanted. RUBY said
that before he realized that he had told LARRY he was not going
to bed, he talked real ugly to LARRY. He found out later that
LARRY left the keys to the Carousel Club next door and left
town without telling RUBY he was leaving or where he was going,
RUBY got up at about 11:00 or 11:30 AM and got dressed and
drove downtown. He decided to stop and look at all the wreaths
that had been placed on the side of the street near where
President KENNEDY had been shot. He looked at the wreaths, then
went over to talk to Police Officer CHANEY, who was on duty
there, and talked with CHANEY for a few minutes, but choked up
and left because he did not want CHANEY to see him crying. He
went on up the street and met WES WISE, of'KRLD television station
and talked to WISE for a few minutes. He drove on away and as he
was leaving he noticed that Captain FRITZ and Chief of Police
CURRY were walking around the scene of the assassination. He
backed up and told WISE, "There goes FRITZ and CURRY". He then
drove on home.
Later on in the afternoon he drove ba'ck downtown and
went to Sol's Turf Bar and talked with a man named BELLOCHIO,
or something like that, who was in the place, and also talked
"to his accountant, ABE KLEINMAN, who was in the place. He
she ed them photos that he had taken of the sign "Impeach EARL
V;ARREN", and they talked about that. BELLOCHIO was talking
about the bad publicity that Dallas would get because President
KENNEDY had been killed in Dallas and said he would probably
have to leave town* RUBY reminded him that he had made his
^money in Dallas and should not leave now. BELLOCHIO wanted one
■of the photos that RUBY had taken, but RUBY would not -give him
a photo. While in this bar RUBY called his attorney, STANLEY
-KAUFMAN, and he told STANLEY about the photos, RUBY was in
Sol's Turf Bar about forty-five minutes, then left sometime
between 3tQ0 and HtOO PM on the afternoon of November 23, 1983,
Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit- No. 3 — Coaitinued
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He does not remember exactly where he went '. .. . ■ -.
;hen he left but may have gone by the Lacy Building to see his
railor, but he then went back to the Carousel Club and then on
lome. His employee ANDY at the Carousel Club called him about
i:00 PM and wanted to leave, but RUBY told ANDY to stay at the
:lub to answer any incoming telephone calls. He stayed home
intil about 11:00 PM, when he went to the Pago Club. He sat
lown at a back table and ordei'ed a Coke. BOB NORTON, the manager,
;a"e over and told RUBY that he was going to close the club but
lad been told to keep it open. RUBY told NORTON that was all
"ight, he could do whatever he wanted to do, but he -had closed
lis clubs. RUBY left there after he finished his Coke and drove
:o his Carousel Club. He stayed around there for a little while,
:hen drove home because he was not interested in any gaiety. He
iid not go to the Cabana Motel and visit a club there.
RUBY said that on the morning of November 24, 1953,
le got a call from one of his dancers called LITTLE LYNN, who
■.as been a pain to him because of her actions, and she said she
lecded some money for her landlord. On Friday night, November 22,
.953, he had to give her $5.00 so she could get home. He did not
;ant her to come by his apartment to get the money because her
lusband would come with her and RUBY did not like her husband,
ie told LYNN he would send her some money by Western Union to
'ort Worth, Texas. He had a lot of money with him that he had
lor a deposit to pay his excise tax, so he got his revolver and put
.t in his right front trouser pocket. He said he never carried the
;un in his coat pocket because it would get his coat out of shape.
He said- he had no permit to carry a gun and had no card
)r badge as any kind of l-E:w;:cr;'irc5f-.::wr.cnCoaf.fiGcxt:o THd^aev^r ,::,-
I number- of officers of the Dallas Police Department knew he had a
;un. He recalled that a couple of times the police officers had
:aken him out of jail and given his gun back to him. He did not
'ecall the names'of these officers. He said that being around
:lubs and carrying money — it was like a jungle with all the
,.;tickups--he carried his revolver when he had money on his person.
He left his apartment, got in his car and started to
own to send the money to LITTLE LYNN. As he drove out of his
iveway, he stopped and talked to a neighbor, name unknown but
rho is the father-in-law of Police Officer BUDDY MUENSTER. RUBY
ad his dog in the car with him. He drove toward town on the
hornton Expressway and turned off onto Industrial Street, then
,p Industrial to Main Street so he could see the wreaths at the
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spot where President KENNEDY was assassinated. As he passed
the County Building .he noticed a lot of people around so he
assumed that OSWALD had already been moved to the County Jail.
He drove on up Main Street and as he passed the City Hall he
noticed a number of people around there. Just before he reached
the next corner, he made an illegal left turn into a parking lot
across the street from the Western Union Office and parked his
car there. He left his dog in his car. He then walked across
the street and sent a money order for $25.00 to LITTLE LYNN at
Fort Worth,
After sending the telegram, he left the Western Union
office and walked west on the same side of the street, toward
the City Hall, located on the next corner. Before he reached
the Police Department building, he noticed a police officer
standing at the entrance to the ramp going into the basement
from Main Street, but he did not know the police officer. Just
before he reached that point, a police car came out of the
basement, and he recognized the driver of the police car as
Lieut, PIERCE. He explained he has known Lieut. PIERCE for
twelve or fourteen years. PIERCE did not look toward him or
speak to him and RUBY did not speak to Lieut. PIERCE. RUBY
could not recall seeing anyone else in the police car with
Lieut, PIERCE in either the front or back seat of the police car.
As. the police car driven by Lieut. PIERCE came out of
the basement ramp , the officer on duty at the entrance stepped
-back and walked toward the curb next to the street, with his
back toward RUBY, As the police car got even with this officer,
the officer stooped down and looked inside the car. At about
this time, RUBY. had reached the entrance to the Main Street
ramp, and he took in the movement of the police car and the
officer on duty at the ramp, with a quick glance. Without
breaking his stride or hesitating, RUBY turned to his left and
walked down the ramp into the basement. As he entered the
ramp, he does not recall seeing any person standing around the
entrance y and he does not know a former police officer named
DANIELS.
RUBY said he 'is positive he did not have either of
his hands in any of his pockets — either coat or trouser pockets —
when he entered and walked down the ramp. He .did not look behind
him to see which way the police car went when it entered the
street, and- he did not look behind him to see whether anyone ^
observed him entering the basement.. RUBY said he had no kind •-
- /A •
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of press card or any other kind of identification on the outside
of his coat, and he exhibited no identification to anyone to
gain entrance to the basement.
Just as he got to the bottom of the ramp, RUBY said,
"A person who pops out with two men; that is all I can remember;
:iaturally I know who he is; to me, he had this smirky, smug,
^'indictive attitude; I can't explain what impression he gave me,
but that is all I can , well, I just lost my senses; the next
I knew I was on the ground and five or six people were on top of
ne". RUBY said that as he was going down the ramp he spoke to no
3ne and no one spoke to him. He did not recognize anyone in the
;rowd there, and he did not stop and stand behind anyone.
RUBY was asked why he killed OSWALD, and he said, "I
vas in mourning Friday and Saturday. To me, when he shot before
ne like he did, something in my insides tore out, and I just went
Dlank. To me, he represented — I'll go back a little bit. I
Listened to a eulogy Saturday morning, I am sure, and I heard
Rabbi SILVERMAN speak about our President, He said, 'Here is a
r.an that fought in all battles, but he didn't have a chance to
fight here, he was shot from the rear'. I have been around people
that are so smug and hard. Then about OSWALD being associated
jith Communism, and how he blemished this beaoitiful city; and Mrs. •
<ENNEDY having to come back to the trial. I told no one I was
5oing to kill him. No one knew I was going to shoot him. I didn't
iiscuss anything with anyone about shooting him. No police
officer assisted me in any way, or did, or said anything to
suggest ray shooting OSWALD. I remembered MULLINAX, a police
officer who was killed, and MULLINAX was a friend of mine, I did
lot know J. D. TIPPIT. I knew a TIPPIT on the police department,
3ut he was in the Special Service Bureau, and he was not the TIPPIT
Lhat was killed. I did not know the TIPPIT that was killed."
RUBY said he has never had any serious illnesses or
hospitalizations and does not have a steel plate in his head,
ie volunteered his mother had previously been committed to an
Insane asylum. He professed to know of no other history of mental
Illness in his family.
RUBY stated he was born in Chicago in 1911. He spent
bur or^ive years in various foster homes in Chicago, mentioning
hat his father was an alcoholic. He said the father's alcoholic
labits contributed to his mother's mental condition, -along with
ler problems in "the change of life". He said he rema:iT;ed in \\
Jhicago until 1933. r\
Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 3 — Continued
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He said that in 1933 he, one AL DUNN, MAURY (last name
not recalled) and a third person, whose name he. could not imme-
diately recall, went to Los Angeles, California, where they sold
"Collier's Tip Sheet", which he described as a handicapper ' s
tip sheet for horse races. He said their arrival in the Los
Angeles area coincided, as he recalled, with the opening of the
Santa Anita Race Track, He related they remained in the Los
Angeles area for a few months only and during the same year,
1933, went to the San Francisco area, where he at first engaged
in similar activities at the Bay Meadows Race Track. Subsequently,
he sold subscriptions to Hearst newspapers, the San Francisco
Examiner and San Francisco Call Bulletin, covering San Francisco
and small towns in the general area.
He said he remained in San Francisco until 1937 and
returned to Chicago and was unemployed for a considerable period.
In 1941, he related, he, his brother EARL RUBY, HARRY EPSTEIN,
MARTY SHARGOL (Phonetic) and MARTY GIMPLE "went on the road"
selling punch boards and small cedar chests in numerous Eastern
and New England states. He specifically mentioned the states of
New York, Connecticut and Pennsylvania, He said he had no fixed
a<idress during this period, that the group lived in various hotels,
RUBY related that in late 1941 he returned to Chicago
and continued his business of sailing punch boards, primarily
through mail orders. He mentioned an advertisement was run in
Billboard magazine in this regard. He mentioned that during this
period he became very closely associated with ARTY WAYNE, a
musician,
RUBY stated he remained in Chicago until' 1942, He said
his brother SAMUEL was ,in military service, stationed at Jefferson
Barracks in the St, Louis area. He said he went to St, Louis and
spent a week or two there, to be near his brother. His brother
EARL, he related, was at the time'- in the U« S, Navy ,- stationed
at Dutch Harbor, He said he sold punch boards- While- in the
Sti Louis area. He said he returned to Chicago in 1942 and "hung
^around home,"- mentioning specifically the area of Division and
"" Damon Streets. He said he had had difficulties with his previous
partners in the punch board business.
In the period 1942-1943, he operated out of Globe Auto
Glass Company, owned by one MORRIE KELLMAN. He mentioned that his
brother HYMAN had, during this period, been released from military
service 'as being "too old"« He said that he personally entered f
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he military service in 19H3 and remained until 13U6,
RUBY said that in 1946, on being discharged from
ilitary duty, he returned to Chicago and "prospered" in his
ail order business involving punch boards and miscellaneous
terns. He said his sister EVA had for sohie time been wanting
o operate a night club in Dallas and had moved to Dallas from
alifornia. He said he in the meantime had had some friction
ith his brothers and had sold his interest in their mutual
usiness of selling punch boards and other items to the brothers.
He said he sent money to his sister EVA for a lease on
building in which to open a club. He said he at that time was
iving at the Congress Hotel, Chicago, having saved some money.
e said for a brief period he was associated with one PINKIE
ARWOOD, who lived in Detroit, in the. promotion, of. ."cookware".
his was not a successful venture.
He said that in 1947 he moved to Dallas to be associated
ith EVA in the night club business. He returned to Chicago, how-
ver, in the same year in a few months in an effort to enter into
arious 'Merchandising deals". Being unsuccessful, he returned to
alias in 1947 and has lived in Dallas continuously since.
RUBY said he went broke in the night club business in
952 and had a "mental breakdown". He continued along this line
y saying he was "mentally depressed" and that he "hibernated in
he Cotton Bowl Hotel" for three or four months, declining to see
is friends. He said he went back to Chicago briefly and his
rother EARL tried to help him out financially. He returned to
alias, however, in 1952.
RUBY said his first ventures in Dallas- were the Bob
ills Ranch House and Silver Spur. He said that WILLIE EPSTEIN
nd MARTY GIMPLE were associated with him in the Silver Spur
nd it was at the Silver Spur that he went broke. He said after
is "comeback" he tried operating the Silver Spur again. In 1952-
953 he operated the Ervay Theater, a motion picture house,
riefly. In 1953 he became associated ■ in theVega-s. Club and
Hernando's Hideaway",
■ •^ In 1956 he sold his interest in the Silver Spur. He
elated that in 1959-1960 he persuaded his brother EARL to come
o Dallas and to assist in establishing the Sovereign Club.
ARL did not remain in Dallas, however. He said the Sovereign '^/\
Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 3 — Continued
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Club, established as a private club, became the Carousel, which
continues to operate,
RUBY said he has not been associated with or operated
any night clubs except in Dallas, Texas.
RUBY stated that he visited a friend of his brother in
Windsor, Ontario, Canada, in 1929-1930 for two or three months.
In 1933, when en route to California on a brief trip, he went
across into Mexico at Juarez, He said this was purely a "tourist"
trip of short duration. He said he has never been in Mexico
otherwise and has never been outside the Continental United States
except as indicated above and below. He said he has never been in
Honolulu, Hawaii,
RUBY related that in August 1959 he went to Havana,
Cuba, to see L, C, MC WILLIE, who was "some sort of a good will
man" for the Tropicana, a gambling establishment. He said MC WILLIE
sent him a plane ticket and he lived at the Fosca Apartments with
MC l^ILLIE- for a period of eight to ten days. He said he spent all
of his time in Havana except to go to a small area on one occasion
with "one of the FOX brothers", who owned the Tropicana, He said
his trip to Cuba was completely non-political and that he has had
no correspondence with persons in Cuba, He said MC WILLIE is now
at the Thunderbird Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, ■•
RUBY stated he has not been a member of any political
associations, clubs or organizations. He said his brother HYMAN
was at one time interested in politics in Chicago in a small way.
He said he may have belonged to B'nai B'rith and the "Jewish
Welfare Fund", He said he has never been a member of the
Communist Party or any "front" organizations, that he has had no
membership in, or affiliation with, or interest in "Fair Play for
Cuba" or any other Cuban organization of any type.
RUBY volunteered that some years ago, "at a time when
CASTRO was popular in the United States", he read of an individual
in the vicinity of Houston, Texas, having been engaged in "gun
running to CASTRO", He said he attempted by telephone to get in
touch with this individual as he had in mind "making a buck" by
possibly acquiring some Jeeps or other similar equipment- which
he might sell to persons interested in their importation to Cuba,
He saidnothing came of this. He said he had never attended any
meetings concerned with "gun running", smuggling of persons in
or out of Cuba or- otherwise- in relation to Cuban affairs.
RUBY said he was associated- in about 1937 in Chicago
with - the Scrap Iron and Junk Dealers Union but has otherwise had
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lo other direct association with any union except American Guild
)f Variety Artists, the latter in connection with his night club
)usinesses.
RUBY stated that during the sununer of 1963 he took a
:rip to Houston, Texas, en route to Edna, Texas, where he visited
:ANDY BARR, a former Dallas strip tease figure who had just been
released from the Texas State Penitentiary. He said he gave
^A.\'DY a dog as a present. He said he went on to New Orleans on
:his same trip, his purpose being to attempt to engage the ser-
vices of "JADA", a stripper who had been performing in New
)rleans.
He said that in the summer of 1963 he flew via American
lir Lines to New York City, where he remained for two or three
lays at the new Hilton Hotel, He said his purpose was to see
rOE GLASER, a booking agent, and to see officials of American
5uild of Variety Artists in order to register complaints relative
:o competitors in Dallas, He said he travelec^ alone. On this
:rip, he recalls having run into "DANTE", a magician, in an
lutomat and having visited or contacted BARNEY ROSS, former
;ell-known prize fighter whom he had known in Chicago, He said
>n the return to Dallas he went via Chicago and that members of
lis family joined him briefly at O'Hare Field, the Chicago
lirport, RUBY said he could recall no other travel outside of
)allas during 1963,
He mentioned having been in New York, Joplin, Missouri;
?ulsa, Oklahoma, and Chicago in 1956 when he was attempting to
promote a young Negro tap dancer and drummer named NELSON, also
:nown as "LITTLE DADDY". He said this trip lasted several weeks.
He related that he was in Hot Springs, Arkansas, in
956, as he recalls, having flown there to attend the races. He
laid he believed he was in Little Rock during the same trip
jriefly. He said he was in Las Vegas, Nevada, in 19 37 and does not
recall having been there since that time.
RUBY stated that no police officers accompanied him on
:he trip to Hot Springs, mentioned above, and that he had never
)een outside the City of Dallas with any Dallas law enforcement
jfficers. He said he had never employed any Dallas policeman
Ln any of his clubs, although he had employed "Special Officers",
for the services of the latter, he paid the City of Dallas, and
:he City in turn paid the "Special Officers" in question. He said ri
Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 3 — Continued
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he had never given money or other things of value to officers
of the Dallas Police Department except bottles of whiskey at
Christmastime to some. He said he had also had a practice of
admitting officers to his clubs without cover charge and having
gxven "special prices" on drinks; for example, he would give
officers beer for 40 cents a bottle, where his usual price was
more. He said he had never asked any special favors from any
police personnel.
Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 3— Continued
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Fo-302 (Rov. 3-3-50) FED3RAL BUP.EAU OF INVESTlGATiC.Nl
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nnto s/2n/;
IIERT I-l^LL, 4112 Sun Valley, Dallas, Dallas I'lar.acjar
of .\naorcd Motor Servico, Inc., 1800 Leonard, Dallas, v/as
interviG%-/ed at his place of iiusinass. Ka said that E.'^.ROLD J.
FLSI-iING is Operations Kanager and Corporate Counsel for that
finr. , and- has offices in Fort Worth, Tsxas.
I-1\LL said that at about 9:45 A.M. on t?43 ir.orning of
Ncvarf.her 24, 1S63 , ha v/as called from the Sunday School cla:,3
he v;as teaching to ta>:a a telephone call from FL2:'lING. FL2:--IKG
told him that Assistant Cliief of Police C£L\RL2S 3.-i.TCrI2L0R had
requested the Arrr.ored Motor Service to furnish an armored
rruck. FLEMING asked HALL to meet him at their Dallas office
and to call tV70 ether employees to meet with them there.
HALL said he does not nov/ recall whether FLS^-IING said
he had received the call from Chief BAT'CZ3L0R, or v/nether Chief
3A"CHEL0R called TOM i-:?,i;TIK , President of the ccm.pany, who in
turn called FLEI-ilNG. Ee also said he cannot now recall %^-iether
FLE:-1ING told him the reason 'che trucic i.'as r.eaa^c. at ^he t^me the
call \-7Bi3 made.
EALL said ha ir.r:.ed lately called DCN.-.LD GGIiJ , Assistant 3
Vault Kanager, and ED DIETRICH, Assistant Crev/ Chief, and as'.ced *
them to meet him at the Dallas office of the company. He does \i
not recall whether ha e:-:plained the reason for. this request at w,
•chat tiiae. r
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HALL said his v/ife v/as also teaching Sunday School at
the tirr.e, and before leaving the church 'ne merely told her he
had to go to work and would meet her at home later.
FLZi-uING , GOIN , DIETRICH and H.\LL then raet at the
Dallas office of the firm, arriving at various times frc--a about
10s 15 -A. 14. to 10:30 A.M. There vras a brief discussion as to
v/nich truck to use . HALL said FLEI'IING told them the larger
armored truck would be used to transport LEE K.ARVSY GSXvALD fromi
City Hall to the County Court House. This truck is described
as a two-ton Chevrolet, tv70 compartment, over-the-road truck.
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It is a large truclc with "t;wo bunks in it. FLEI-IING explained
that the larger truck v/as needed because of the large nujciber
of people it would be transporting, including OSV??,.LD and a
number of police officers.
RfvLL Stated he v/as familiar with the baser.-.ent at
City Hall and knev; that the truck v;as too large to get into
the entrance on the ^lain Street side of City Eall , so it v/as
agreed to back the truck into the entrance on the Corrmerce
Street side.
The four of them left their Dallas office at about
10:45 \.M. HALL drove the larger truck, with FLK-ilWG riding
in the passenger side. GO^N and DIETRICI-I went in an acco.v._->any-
ing sraaller armored truck, v/ith GOIN driving.
They left their parking lot located ne:rt to the
building, on Flora Street, proceeding v/est on Flora Street to
Leonard , south on Leonard to Ross Avenue , west en Ross to
Pearl, south on Pearl to Kain Street, west on l-lain Street to
Earv/ood , south on Iiar^\rood to Conmierca , and then east on COiri-.i.erce
to the Commerce Street entrance to the City Hall Garage.
HALL said the entrance to the garage was too sr^all for
their truck to enter, so he backed into the garage, leaving the
rear end of the truck inside the garage, and the cab protruding
outside. He said the truclv almost completely blocked the
entrance to the garage. COIN and DIETRICH, in the smaller
armored truck, parked ir.-aediately adjacent to the garage
entrance , on the north side of Commerce Street , Just east of the
garage entrance.
KALL estimated that they parked in the garage entrance
at about lljOO A.M. on November 24, 1S63 . FLEI-IING got out of the
passenger side of the truck and entered the garage to talk v/ith
Chief BATCHELOR and other police officials. Ei^JLL was not told
when OSWALD was to be placed in the truck or any other arrange-
ments which had been planned for his transportation at that tiirie.
Hall (Marvin) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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H?_LL Sciid that st no time was he tcld that the truck
v;oi::.1g jOvi ujec as a Cccoy, and another autc:T;Cbile used for ths
3.czxi.c!.l transpor-cation of OSWALD^ and hs dad not hear this re-
port until at least two week^ after the ehootinc- of OSV'i?.ZJD.
Shortly after he parked the truck ir. the garage
er.trar.ce, a police of fleer, whose ider.tity Z^flL r.^ver knev/, got
into the passenger side of the "cruckj ar.T.ec v/ith a shotgun.
T:\.;l-: -T-oliceiin^n told ZZALL they \jz\i1q, 1>:;„vc thcj ga-„ge ^ turn Iwf w
onto Cor:ut\erce Street, go in an easterly direction on Cc.T~.erca
to Central Expreesv.'ay , north on Central E>:prc5sway one block to
Main Stree'c , and then proceed weet on 1-lain to the Court Zouee.
EALL said he recalls that ^IEI'IIIn'G and the patrclr.'ian
with the shotgun v.'ere the only perscno to enter or leave 'cl.ie
garagc-j through the Coriiimerce Street entrance while his truck
was parked there. He also ;:aid he kept his motor running all
the -time he was parked ther^,. 'Ze said the patrolman did no-c
mention any specific time as to when OSWALD and his guard v/ould
enter t?ie truck.
Ai/Out twenty minutes after he parked ■;;he truck in th^^
garage entrance he heard a shot , v-^nd someone yelled thau G3V:ALD
had been shot, rie remained in place, howtsver , until eomeone
ai:ked him to move his truck out of the garage entrance . By
this time , an ambulance had entered 'cclQ j>la.in Street side of the
g;=^rage to pick up OSWALD » EALL v/as unable to immediately drive
the 'cruck from the garage because parked iromsdiately in front o:
the truc}c wa^ a poiace car , He yelled to the driver of uhe
police car to move it , and \-fnc.^ this v/as done he pulled t:he
truck acrv")i.s the street ■"..here he paa'ked it on the south side of
Ccmcierce Street , until he %«7S3 told by Chief 3A"CHELG1\. th.£t f.ie
cruek would no longer be needed , at v/hich time he z.r.d FLE;-rii?G ,
accom.panied by GOIl:? Si'nd DILvRICZ in the other truck, returned
to their parking lot.
1-1\LL estim.ated that not ir.ore than two minutes could
h:^ve elapsed from the tirae of the shooting until he actua— y
_. ^lled out of the garage entrance .
Hall (Marvin) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
60
liALL said he had iievcr met or Iviioxcn either LEE iLA?v.VEY
:sv.'.-.: - or JACK RlTiiY/ and that he did not see either of thorn on
s'.'-VoLTCesr 24, 19o3 y and does not recall having Gvcr seen either
rl therr..
He eaid he did net enter in-co any discussions v/ith
-"Y police; cfricials about 'cho arrangements , other than the
i.n;;-cructions he received from the patrolman with the .-hotgun
jno got into the tifud^ with hiin.
Hall (Marvin) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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nwM («•». w-M) Q FEDERAL BUREAU OF I" Garnett Halinark Exhibit 1
n,>. 12-11-63
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GARNETT CLAUD ; HALLMARK, advised he is the manager ;P^.::i^v;,,|^
of the Allright Parking, 701 Wilson Building, Dallas', .- :'*ii2'i.^ -^
Texas, telephone nlumber RI 8-5943.
HALLMARK said he recalled an incident which had
been referred to by THOMAS RAYMOND BROWN, when BROWN was
interviewed by the FBI concerning some phone calls which were
made by JACK RUBY on November 23, 1963, from Nichols Brothers
Parking Garage at 1320 Commerce, Dallas, Texas.
HALLMARK said he was at the above garage during the ,(« ''^
afternoon of November 23, 1963, and he recalled that at ^^ [
about 2:50 p.m., JACK RUBY drove into the garage in RUBY's f V 'J
1960 white Oldsmobile. He said RUBY ask^d permission to use the^^ /,
telephone and said, "CLAUD, I am acting like a reporter." ^? ^j
While dialing a number, RUBY asked, "Is the Colony
Club going to be open today?" (November 23, 1963). HALLMARK
said he replied, "I do not know." RUBY then said they would not ** ^
have the nerve to open after they have seen his ad. • >V{
HALLMARK said RUBY then got his number and in his :'^^^
conversation with some party, unknown to HALLMARK, RUBY
said, "Hell, well my places the Carousel and Vegas will be
closed."
HALLMARK said RUBY dialed a second number and asked
for a reporter whose name was "WES WISE." RUBY determined this-
person was not in and remarked j "oh, this is Ken." Then
RUBY related to KEN that his places would be closed and his
conversation switched to some remarks concerning the trans-
fer of OSWALD.
m*. HALLMARK said he got the impression that OSWALD'S
transfer wa^ to take place that afternoon, Saturday,
November 23; 1963. He said that RUBY told KEN, "they have
started strewing the flowers at the scene of the assassination »'*
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md possibly the transfer (possibly OSWALD' s), will be
iclayed. HALLMARK said he did not know what KEN told
^UBY, but JACK RUBY madq a remark during the conversation,'; ,:
'You know I'll be there." RUBY then ended his telephone
;onver8atlon and told HALLMARK thanks for the the use
>f phone and asked for change/^or. a $10.00 bill*
HALLMARK saic^ RUBY walked East on Consqerce and
returned about two minutes later and stood in front of the .
"Tichols Bros, office at 1320 Commerce where he acted as li?
le wanted to talk^ but did not say anything. JPlnally, he
did say, "I'll see you Claud." then RUBY got Into the car and
drove East on Coranerce, Mr. HALLMARK said this occurred
It 3:05 p.m. and he was sure about the tine because he bad
a schedule that would require him to leave at 3il5 p.m*
to go to 1920 Elm.
I HALLMARK said that during this time THO^IAS RAYMOND
BROWN, his employee, was in and out of the office while
RUBY was making his telephone calls. He said that Y\e
believed BROWN went out for coffee while he and RUBY were
talking and BROWN had to go in and put of the office to
give customers their parking ticket,
' HALLMARK related that he had known JACK RUBY for
over three years and has had many business dealings with bin,
because customers In RUBY' s clubs parked in the Nichols
Bros. Garage and for sometime RUBY had a contiract to pay
the parking fees when his oust;oiqer8 used the packing
facilities.
HALLMAKI^ said he wQuld ponsider RUBY "rather a pre*
occupied person, vho was very Intent." He said RUBY wae either
!!£or or against you," lie produce^ a let;te;r wlilch be ^as received
'm
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Hallmark Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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from RUBY since RUBY has been Incarcerated at Dallas,
Texas, which he said the FBI might use for any purpose
It might service In any Investigation they are conducttlng* .
He requested that this letter be returned to him when the
FBI completed the use of it.
This letter is described as follows:
It was postmarked 4:30 p.m., December 8, 19^^$ at
Dallas, Texas, and addressed to "Claudb^^ % Allrigl^t
Parking, 1320 Commerce, Dallas. Manager/'
It contains the following note written on two
pieces o£ blank white paper, approximately Ah6 inches i
-• "County Jail
12/7/63
;' . "Dear Claude
ir "I can just feel you are for me, and want yo^
.. ; , all to know that I think of you often. T^X%
. Ben, that even though he is In bad shape
physically, look Qt me I'm In good shApe^ but;
what good is that going to do me now.
"Say hello to Mac, and all the boys,
"Sincerely -
/s/ Jack Ruby"
Mr. HALLMARK said he has not discussed (he telephone
conversation with anyone except THOMAS BROWN, his employee, who
was present when RUBY came in po use the phone on Noyeip^er 23,
9^
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Hallmakk Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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]i63. He said he did not. know cf any possible connection
r relationship between OSWAJw.D and RUBY and said RUBY
td never mentioned the name "Oswald" to him at any time.
Ji stated that RUBY never mentioned OSWALD'S name
cen when he remarked to the person he called on the phone
tiat it was terrible that the. President had been killed.
He said he never saw RUBY mistreat anyone in
ether of his clubs c He said hf? had visited the Vegas
(,ub once or twice in late 1936 or early 1957 and had also
l;en in the Carousel Club about fottr or five times since
tjat time and he then went with friends or acquaintances
no visited the club out of "curiosity".
I Mr. HAL1,MARK said he did not know any of RUBY's
<lose frieds or associates. He said he recalled RUBY .'■■■■'■i>.'-
us apparently frieotly with the Master of Ceremonies,
nc ^f;-^::-. at his clubs. He said the Master of Ceremonies
lime was WAILY WESTON., He said he also knows one other
otertainer by name and she is KATHY KAY, who came from
ligland,
HA1,LMARK said he feels sure RUBY was hard to
iDrk for because he dejnanded perfection and was strict
:i his operation of the clubs. He said he seriously
hlieved that RITBY would never allow the entertainers
D solicit dates in the clubs. He said RUBY once told him
\i would not "mess" with thp. girls himself. Mr. HAIXMARK
dvised he recalled sorife waittesse'^ whose identity he
id not know were fired when they reported to work at
r»e clubs vhile 'jinder the influence of alcohol and he
l?ard from an u?^xecalled source that so.3«)2 of RUBY"s ensployees
Lairaed RQBY beat th^m out of their pay.
HALLMARK could not identify any of these persons
f name. He advised he has witnessed RUBY when he called patron!/:
I 1^
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Hallmark Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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dovm for ue.-Cng vw1l^,-?r ot r>oiar.S! language, but he never
saw him fight or atXAc^ aryor'E.
HALIMARR" safri tppl R'JbX h*id discussed the fact with h
about a year ggo (fhat son«9 of >^,is fe^rx/lcyees who were fired
might give him srrme troub.Ve-^ so ' hsd obtained a pistol, Mr.
HALLMARK said h^ r^ei^^r «?nu» tiki's ►•rm, but RUBY had* told him if
he ever needed s. g«.m he var v^'lcoir^ to use the gvm he had.
HAT.-LMAR^ ev,«/Tvu*=d 5 f-bclD ot OSWALD which was
nuade at New OrU.^Ti^s. Lo«'.lslg:>a. and tcrs xiumber 112723 and
which was d^ted Atigust ^^ , 196'^ .. and said he did not
know anyon^e resf'TribIii7j2, tb^. rho'LfH as ever havivig been in
either of PJJBY's clubs. He j^atd of course since the
assassltiatiort of, the P)f sJd^rit, te has seea this person on TV
and in the newspaj/f-J:?,
HALLMARK idevt r-ie6 "Bt^N" as BEN AUSTIN, the :»
iTjanageT of the Nichols Garag'^ and "MAC" as MAC JONES :i a
colored parWlng attendant £ibo\it 60 years elds who works at
the Nichols Bros. Garag«=!;. ir is noted that the above names
v;ere mentioned in the. J fitter which Mr^ HALLMARK received frca
JACK RUBY and which W9s f.urriisL*?d the Dallas Office*
lol
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Hallmark Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
72
F.302 (R.v.3.3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
r>«t» December 3, 1963
L
ROBERT LEONARD HANKAL, Floor Director, Production
Xpartment, Radio and TV Station KRLD, Herald Square, Dallas,
Dyxcs, rumlshed the following Information:
Ke resides at '4233 Travis Street, Apartment 2l4,
Dallas, Texas, home telephone number LA 8-143^ He was first
assigned to handle the television coverage at -the City' Hall
In Dallas, Texas, on November 23, 1963. His duties as
rioor director are to insixre that the cameramen for the TV
station are set up in good positions and that there are no
obstructions during filming. His memory of the events on
l^ovember 23 and 24, I963, is hazy but as he recalled the
jamera crew for KRLD included Cameraman GENE PASCZALEK, his
assistant BEN MOLINA, and himself. They initially were set
lip on the third floor near the Homicide Bureau and on Saturday
afternoon, oransf erred to the basement of the police headquarters,
where JAMES ENGLISH took over as cameraman. Mr. LEIGH WEBB
Mias the director in charge and he gave the assignments. >
r^
On November 24, I963, he was called and told to
rc.vort to wprk at 7:00 a.m. He reported to Mr. WEBB who
was located at the KRLD sound truck which was parked on
Commerce Street outside of the police headquarters . As
Identification he' had been furnished a letter written by
yir.'- EDDIE BARKER, one of the executives at KRLD on the
letterhead stationery of the station. , This letter identified
him as a member of the camera crew. WEBB told him he should
report to the basement where the camera was located and he
entered the city hall through the Commerce Street entrance. As
he passed the information desk in the lobby a police officer
told him to be sure he had identification if- he were going
to t.-.e basement. At that time he had the letter identifying
him in his hand. He then took the elevator downstairs and
left 'ohe elevator with the letter still in his. hand. As
beet ho could recall he did not have to show the letter to a
reserve police officer standing outside of the elevator and
he therefore assumed that the officer had taken for granted
that the paper in his hand was his lde;ntification. He then
went to the camera which was located near the elevator bank
in the baser:ent and assisted in moving the camera to the
.T.ain bi-cement area. The camera was eventually placed on
the floor of the garage with the lens protruding between
tv.'o iron rails and facing directly X^—^'^g- hal.1 wn.v_j_<??t rij_npi_
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R. NEIL QUIGLEY Sc
S?..;c! Acont S JOHN E. DALLI/IAN:BL Daf dictated 12/3/63
la docua«c; contains n«ith»r r*comiii*ndatlona nor concHaalons o( tha FBI. It ta tha proparty o( tha FBI and la loanad to
K* f41«lrlhul«<i oulaLla Vour Oaancv.
Hankal Exhibit No. 5337
Td
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from the jail booking desk to the* garage. He stayed in that
location until LEE liARVEY OSWALD was brought downstairs with
the exception of a trip he made to the mens' room. He made
sure that he took a police officer with him to the mens*
room so that he would have no difficulty in returning to
the canera location. He positioned himself on the ramp
side o- the rai'.ing in front of the camera and all the
necessary,'' lighting and other arrangements were finished
about 10:00 a.m. His primary concern was to see to it that no
people obstructed the view of the camera. He liad no advance
knowledge as to how the prisoner would be transported from the:
city jail.
A short time later he heard someone say, "He's
coming," and considerable shuffling began. He noted that
a number of officers locked arms in front of the camera
and one of them stepped aside at his request. Either
immediately before or after the above incident he recalled
that a Dallas police car had driven from the garage basement
up the 2'Iain Street ramp. He paid very little attention
to this and a few moments after that the door opened at the
jail office and OSWALD appeared in the custody of police
officers. He took a quick look at OSWALD cut of curiousity
and before he knew it a scuffle began and he 'heard what he
thought was either a backfire or gunshot. His first reaction
was that OSV/ALD had grabbed a police officer's gun. He
also recalled seeing a man's back directly in front of him
obstructing his view of OSWALD and seemed to recall that
immediately preceding that he had observed a blur of movement
out of the comer of his eye. It seemed that the individual
who he later learned was RUBY' was to his right and 8-12 feet
..•.-;ay. He heard no shouGs of any particular significance to
this and could recall no remarks of any significance during
the bedlam that occurred after the shooting. - During most
of this he was busily preoccupied with moving people aside
In order to give the camera clear shots of OSWALD'S apJpearance
Relating to Saturday, November 23/ 1963, he saw LEE
PIARVEY OSV/ALD briefly cs he was being taken to the Jail offlcei
His memory concerning these events , is hazy but he also recalle
Meeting as floor director in the assembly room v;hen a statement
was mad.- by the Chief of Police. He did not recall seeing
JACK RUBY at any time prior to the shooting of OSWALD In any
of these Vw.i.-'^oua locations,
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Hankal Exhibit No. 5337 — Continued
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Ke knew of no one who £;alned access to the basement
> the police department on Novenber 24, 1963;. without showing
.^ntiricatlon other than himself. He did rot feel that he
li actually identified himself inasmuch as he was merely
; Trying a' letter in his hand and nobody actually asked to
'.,c^ cl^q contents of the letter. 'He assuned, however, that he
li bcar^ rv^cosnized as being a part of the i<ilLD camera crew
) the Qfficers on duty Inasmuch as he was In the police
lation on Saturday. '•';
He estimated that there were between 40 and 60
::bers|of the press and other news media in the basement .
) the police department on November 24, 19^3.
I-Ia had never seen JACK RUBY prior to the shooting
) OSVJALD and had heard nobhing concerning Mm in regard'
; his background, personal 'life or political convictions.
: had r,pVv2r heard or seen LEE KARVEY OSWALD before November 22,
.53. :
I The only other member of the press or news media
vet ho per::;or^lly knew was present in the police station,
►her th^n those previously mentioned, was GEORGE PHOENIX
'om th(a KRLD News Department.
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Hankal Exhibit No. 5337 — Continued
75
Hankal Exhibit No. 5338
76
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
(^-\
Date
December 11, 1963
TIMO^yf M. HAMSFl;
;1 i.r.if> Department, Dallas,
^matlon :
■SXiB,
Pat-rolwAH, Traffic Bureau,
furr.ishsd the following
Ha is comnonly kj.ovm as "CATFISH" HANSEN. He resides
i- l"i07 Moore Terrace, Arllr.gtcn., Texas, Ha has no residence
phone. He Joined the Dallas Police Dspartment In 19^8 and
has been a patroinan In ths Traffic Buraau since that tine. • •
He first met JACK RUBY wh*n he was working in District #41
about 11-12 years ago. That district covers one of the
roughest sections in Dallas and included in it was RUBY's
Silver Spur Club. Ther« ars a. lot of tavern brawls in the
district and as h« rsc*lls h« first saafc R03Y when he was
assigned to ch-sck on a brawl at ths club. Hs also recalled
that one night he we^it to RUBY's Club on a call and it
was determined that an individual had bitten RUBY's finger
so badly during a fight tliat part of it had to be amputated.
He did not know th« identity of this individual.
During the last four yaars or so he has socially
visited RUBY'S Carousal Club but has never been there on an
asslgnnent while on duty. H« Yaq K«v«r been to RUBY's
Vegas Club.
The only thing that ha knows about RUBY's backgrovmd
is that he was raised in a sIuk area of either Chicago or
New York City. RUBY told hln that he had to scrap for a
living when he was a young boy biit he could recall nothing
else concerning RIBY's background. During the last 8 years
he has directed traffic at th« Intersection of Main and
Akard Streets In dowr.town Dallas, Ks would see JACK RUBY
a number of tl?!.e:a during th« w«ek, Just as he would see
many other dowi^town buEln«£?snen. R^'BY was alv;ays friendly
to hln and often chatted with him briefly on these occasions.
He is not a social friend of RUBY and has never had any dealings
cr conversations with him other than when he was on duty or
the few times he visited RUBY's club. RTJEY was always nice
to him on these occaslo2:is. K* described RUBY as being very i
big hearted and has seen hlo give -monfty to needy people on \
the streets of Dsllas on a nonb'^r of occasions. He also '
has heard that RUBY has been v«ry liberal with some of the
girls who work for him and when they wftre sick would send
them flowers and money. Hs felt that RXJBY liked policemen
12A1/63
by Special Agent
Dallas, Texas
1/
JOHN E. DALLMANiBL
File /[( Dallas 44-1639
Date dictated 12A1/63
Thli doeunanl contains nclthsf r«commandatlons nor conclualons ol lh« FBI. II l« tho proporlr o« Iho TBI ond U loanod lo
roat a«>H«y( tl SHD itk i-omknu or* not lo bo duitlboud eutaldo f otir a««neti i
Hansen Exhibit No. 1
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Ir. general and he was very surpriaed to learra that RUBY had
placed his (HANSEN) R&iiie on the visitor's list at the county
Jail.
He considered R^JEY to be a thoroughly emotional
Individual and recalled that oss ore occasion at the Silver
Spur Club RUBY hit a aara who Kid* a derogatory remark
concerning his ethiic baclzgyouTii.
He also stated that EUBY v;*lb always respectful
towards hla and always r*fftrrsd to him as HANSEN and not
by his nidcname "CAIFISH." ^he orly favor that RTJBY ever
did for him was to occasionally buy hiia a cup of coffee.
He also r?;c.!iilad thait ok vlsltiz^ig th<s Carous«l Club one
night, R"JBY would not l®t hlR jay for the a^Kt-ups but
this only anounted to about 70^ worth of Ic® and mix.
He recalled that while statloKSd at the Main and
Akard intersection about 4 E»o:itha 'igo^ RliBY conversed with
him briefly cowceraing Pr&eii!S-K:t JOI-2^' F. KENNEDY, RUBY
told him that he felt KEbUIIfl h«.d doKe mamy -feSlirjgs for the
Anerican people. H® stated that in the past R'OBY also told
him that he cor„sid«r©d FBAri'iCLIH D. HOCSEv'ELT to be one of
the greatest men of all tlaes, KUBI never told him if he
was a Republican or Dercocrftt tnd he did not feel that RUBY'S
feelings concernirg ¥E^Z:?EDY or ROOSEVELT had any connection with
RUBY'S political beli«}';?o but wsr® asore out of admiration for
them as men. He also r-»&dilled thAt after ADLAI STEVENSON
visited Dallas, RUBY mftntlcaed t< him that the people should
have been more respectful to £TEni!30>i regardless of whether
or not they liked him.
He knows v®ry little cosics.rr.ir.g RllBY's personal
life and although he has hear-d nmovB that RUBY was a homosexual
he never believed them. He oar.aot recall who he heard these
ru5:ors from but he had n»v®r had any r^s.son to believe it
hiKself . R^JBY str-^ick hira as belLig a v«?ry manly Individual
A.rsd was particularly Imprassed by his good physical condition
for a man of his age.
He stated he knows -SJSORaE SES«ATOH who allegedly
lived with RUBY at cne time but he had no personal knowledge
of this. He first met SEJ-IATOR near the intersection of Akard
and Main Streets while SENATOR was coKiducting business. A-&^
Hansen Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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3
he recallfld SENATOR drovs a Volksw'gsn truck and was in some
t«7pe of novelty business. -ni'it Wis th« only knowledge he
had of SENATOR and the or.ly plsce he h&s ever seen him.
He has never wor-ksd for R^JBY although RUBY at one
tine suggested thit h« Eight Ilk* to work as a bouncer at
the Silver Spur Club. This w»3 i'ot «r: ur.usual request because
of the rough neighborhood the club was in and the number of
disturbance calls that were m'vde to tha club. He stated
he told RUBY he could not work there and the main reason
he turned RUBY down was bftcaus* h« krew so little concerning
his background. He lcn;ows of r.o Dill^<police officer that
at any time worked for KLTBY. H's kr.ew of no officer fron
the Dallas Folic® Dep&rfc««r;t vjho is a particular friend
of RUBY. He stated that probably ev®r-y officer who
worked a downtown corner would k^iow RlsBY as well as he does.
He stated it en's? *s a coaplete surprise when he heard
RUBY had shot LEE HARVEf OSWALD. H« never personally knew
RUBY to carry a gun but because of the business RUBY was In
he 'would be a fool not to.
On Friday^, No/"£lsr 22^ 1963^ he worked the intersection
of Main and Akard fron lOsOO a.K. usstll 6;00 p.m. On Saturday
November 23, 1963* he w-^s off dut-y Jind worked at his part-time
job at the H. L, Green Compariy^ 1623.;- Eln Street^ Dallas.
He spent all of Sunday, NovS'Bb'sr 24, 1963, at his residence.
He had no knowledge of ^he sacurlty precautions taken at
the Dallas Police Head':jufv.rt*rs durl;i!g the weekend of
November 24, 1963,
As best he could r*::-tll the i&st tine he saw JACK
PUBY was on November 22, 1963^ b&twe.'^n 9s00 and 9°30 a.m.
H« was entering the City EsjI Bulldlrg from the Harwood
Street entrance^„ and RUBY wss st«,:r?dir.g on the north side
of the entrance directly tc *h's s.1d» of the st?iirw5y which
leads to the basement , He s^id th«r* w«re four or five
individuals standing with RUBlf but he cculd not recall
their identity and at this time was not certain whether
or not they were police officers. H« felt thAt the crowd
was apparently gathering at that time in anticipation
of the fact that President KENNEDY would be driving through
the downtown section of Dallas lat«r la the Bomlng. As he
Hansen Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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4
walked by RUBY he shook his hiAnd and sAld good morning but
did not engage in conversation with him. He has not seen
or heard from, him sir^ce thit time and has made no effort
to get in touch with hin, h> c.^r.»:ot understand why RUBY
would have his nime on the vislti:',.K; list at the county
Jail unless it was because hs h«d k,r.CT.vn 'ilm for so long and
s^w hlDi 30 often ir. the dov?rtowx: area. At this time, he
roald think of nothing further oonoeming RUEY's person
life^, background, or political convict ions .
He had r.aver hesrii of LJIE Fi.RT5"„* OSWALD prior
vo the assassinatipn of Pres :i.*i.t I-rsrtrf'I'if^ . If OSWALD had
had frequented the down.towi': ^.r*-?. h* felt he would possibly
have recognized hii» from the rhotographa he has seen but
he does not recall such an Individual. Ke knows of no
connection betvfeen OSWALD and RL'BY.
Hansen Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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Dallas 3-31-64
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r malwrilir, thoM bo olocod in fho hondt of on oHornoy for coHoction or ^f luit b« brought hor«
>n oer»*d oMorn«y'i fM not l«tt Ihofi 1S% of tKu amovr<t owing, gnd In no ov
• ihor placed with on otlornoy or not. Th« moltor heioby agreoi to rolooi* th* <.•
>pon»lbl« for the lot* of portonol offacli due lo 6re, or foUiilon. Th* company aiiumei no
failwr* of any of Iti «qulpm«nl.
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Dallas
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3-31-64
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=■0-302 (ROV.3-3-SS) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTiC iON
// \ (/^ Data ^Gcerxier 6, 1953 .'
(1)
/■/ \ 0^ ' Dato ^<2ceri)er 6, 1953 J
VJILLIAM JOSEPH HARRISON, 9223 Donny Brook, Dallas, Texas, was advised
he did not have to make any statement, any statement he made could be used
against him in a court of law, he had a right to talk to an attorney, and of
the identities of SAs EDMOND C. HARDIN and ROBERT J. WILKISON.
HARRISON advised as follows:
He is employed as Patrolman by the Dallas, Texas, Police Department,
end is currently assigned as Detective in the Juvenile Division, Criminal
Investigation Division, Police Headquarters.
On November 2*+, 1953, he worked the 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. shift and was
on duty in the .Juvenile Division, Third Floor of the Police Station, on a
standby basis. About 11 a.m. he want to the locker room and on his return
' observed the other detectives in the Juvenile Division going to the basement.
They told him to coma too. This was approximately 11 a.m. or shortly thereafter.
Upon arrival in the basement the officers stood around in the corridor
Voutside the jail office awaiting instructions. After a few minutes one of the
police officers, whose name he does not recall, instructed them to have all
the press and television representatives move to along the east wall area of
the basement ramp. They did so.
He doesn't know how many press and television representatives were
in the basement, but there was quite a large. crowd. He didn't see anyone
other than police officers, press or .television representatives in the basement
area. \
He has known JACK RUBY as a Dallas night club operator for several
years in connection with his employment .as a police officer, but never had
any personal associations with RUBY. -^'-x
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Prior to the time that LEE HARVEY OSWALD was brought dovm to the
bscemcnt, HARRISON looked at the crowd in attendance but did not see anyone
suspicious. He did not see JACK RUBY, He was stationed in the basement ramp
area at least six or seven minutes prior to the time OSWALD was escorted into
that area.
There was an armored car at the Commerce Street entrance to the
i basement ramp and there were two plain unmarked police cars inside the ramp
which wore behind the armored car.
TJTTTT
12/5/63 „, Dallas. Texas Pjl^ ^ DL 44-1639
bSpocicI Agont s ROBERT J, WILKISON and Dato dictctod ^2/6/63
EDMOND C, HARDIN ;bnm
Tj document contain* nalther racommandatlons nor conclusions o( thEX,NO,5029 HARRISON , Wm , J . DepOSltiOH
Vr aqancYs It and Its contanla ara not to ba dUtributad oulalda your •"" Dallas 3-25—6/+ ""^
Harrison Exhibit No. 5029
83
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He was stationed in the center of the ramp in the area where the
corridor leading from the jail office meets the ramp. Other officers were
along the west side of the rampo The press and television representatives
were on the east wall of the ramp facing the corridor through which OSWALD
would pass while being transferred from the City Jail to the vehicle used
to transport him. At about that time one or two police cars went out the
Main Street exit. He believes Lieutenant PIERCE was in one of the cars.
This was about three or four minutes prior to the time OSWALD was escorted
out of the jail* office.
He said Captain FRITZ came out of the jail office and asked an
officer, identity not recalled by HARRISON, if everything was O.K. and
received an affirmative answer.
Immediately thereafter OSWALD was escorted out of the jail office
door by Detectives GRAVES and LEAVELLE, one of whom was on either side of
OSWALD. They walked down the- short corridor towards the ramp and the
officers who had been stationed along the corridor filled in behind them.
As OSWALD and the officers walked down the corridor towards the
ra:r.p, someone in the group of press representatives called for' HARRISON
and some officers near him to move back. He glanced back over his left
shoulder to the crowd behind him, but didn't see anything suspicious and
did not see JACK RUBY in the crowd. One or two of the officers near him
shifted t;heir positions a little,
, , ^ f-- ■'
;.<.■*'. ,. ^^x-rciiiQ OSWALD was being escorted down the corridor, OSWALD glanced
at the crowd behind HARRISON and on HARRISON'S left side.
At about that same instant a man whom HARRISON later recognized ast
JACK RUBY ran past his left side in a crouched-over position, RUBY was about
one-half step ahead of him when he first saw RUBY, He observed that RUBY
had a gun in his right hand and was extending his right hand in OSWALD'S
direction. RUBY was moving directly towards OSWALD, OSV/ALD was only about
six feet from HARRISON at the time that RUBY passed by him and RUBY had only
about one step to go to reach OSWALD.
At about the same instant that he saw the gun in RUBY's hand he
recognized RUBY and immediately started to move towards RUBY, The gun was
fired by RUBY almost instantly. At. the time the gun went off, HARRISON had
his right hand on RUBY's right forearm and was trying to stop RUBY from firiii
the gun. As HARRISON followed through on his rush toward RUBY, he forced
RUBY to the floor. At that same time several other officers also grabbed
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84
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of RUBY.
and.
He said Detective GRAVES took the gun out of RUBY's right
HARRISON'S attention was centered on RUBY and in trying to get the
,71 away from RUBY 9 he didn't see what happened to OSWALD. HARRISON and the
ther officers took RUBY back into the jail office and handcuffed him. At
hat-tiire RUB'^}^^d<>^ou all know me. I am JACK RUBY." RUBY made that statement
^i^Ssjfi.^ !itM^ter they had taken RUBY back into the jail office, some of
h& other officers brought OSWALD into the jail office. While in the jail
ffice an officer, whose name he does not recall, asked RUBY why he had shot
3WALD and RUBY replied "I hope I killed the S.O.B." HARRISON, Captain KING,
id another officer took RUBY upstairs to the fifth floor.
HARRISON and officers L. D. MONTGOMERY, L. D. MILLER, and DON ARCHER
are the officers who had handcuffed RUBY.
HARRISON'S attention, while in the jail office, was centered on
JEY and he didn't have anything to do with OSWALD. However, he recalled
lat when he observed OSWALD in the jail office, he noticed that OSWALD had
sen shot and appeared to be unconscious.
After arrival on the fifth floor he left RUBY and the other officers
id had no further contact with RUBY. He did not hear RUBY make any other
:atements, other than as previously related.
At the time RUBY was subdued and made the above-quoted remark in the
ill office about killing OSWALD, RUBY was perfectly calm. At no time while
1 HARRISON'S presence did RUBY appear to be emotionally excited or upset,
HARRISON never worked for RUBY or at any of RUBY's night cl\;ibs.
i never heard of any police officers who ever worked for RUBY. He said
>lice officers are prohibited from working off-duty at establishments where
.coholic beverages are served.
HARRISON was not familiar with the security measures in the police
lation November 24 g 1953. However, he did observe that officers were
;anding at the entrance to the basement ramp area.
He did not know of any unauthorized person permitted to enter the
isement or of anyone permitted to enter without showing identification,
did not have any occasion to require anyone to identify themselves.
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Harrison Exhibit No. 0029 — Continued
85
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He did not see RUBY or talk to RUBY between November 22 and November 2U.
1963, until he observed RUBY a second or so before RUBY shot OSWALD on
November 2^^ 1963.
HARRISON had no information concerning any relationship between
OSWALD and RUBY. He did not know OSWALD.
HARRISON had no other pertinent information concerning this case.
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Harbison Exhibit No. 5029 — Continued
86
DL k-r-1639
"November 24, 1963
"Mr. J. E. Curry
Chief or Police
"Subject: Shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald
"Sir:
"I v;^ 3 standing about half-way between the West w^ll of
the driveway and the rail. As the detectives brought
the prisoner out. Jack Ruby came by me from my left side
with the gun In his hand. As he came by me the gun was
about a foot from me in Jack's right hand. As he shot. I
made a move to get him and went to the floor with
him £3 there were about six (6) of us on him at one time. I
tried to grab the hand that held the pistol and the pistol
wa- knocked. out of Jack's hand after we v/ere on the floor.
I remember Detectives Cutchshaw and Lowery being on him
as v;ell as other officers. X could not say where he ■
(jack) came from. All I know Is that he came from the
:!;ear.and left of us. . • ' .
"Ai'-ier we took h_a in the Jail Office and was putting the
han.-^uffs on him, he (Jack) said, "I hope I killed the S.O.B."
That Is all he said until I left him on the fifth floor "
Jail with some of the detectives.
"Respectfully submitted.
/s/ W. J, Harrison .
Patrolman, ID# 579
Juvenile Bureau
Criminal Inyestlgatlon Division"
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Harrison Exhibit No. 5030
87
FD.J02 (Hot. 3-3-49)
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
M. J. HARRISON, 9223 Donnybrook, Dall:::s, Te::as,
Juvenile Bureau, Dallas Police Departncnt, advised that on
November 24, 1963, he was assigned to the Security Detail ,
in the basement area of the Dallas City /'-.ll Building in
preparation of the transportation of LSZ ' uA^^IjY OSWALD
to the Dallas County Jail. E.^.Rr.ISON advised that during
the pertinent period he v/as standing eight to ton feet to
the left of Lieutenant R. E. S^AIIJ, JR. and was helping to
hold the nev/3 media back on the north side of the ranp.
As Boon as LZ3 Ii.1?.'/ZY CSV/ALD v/as brought to the edge of
tho ran^p, JACX LECIT RUBY ran from the crowd of nov/s media
to the left of KARRISON and shot OSV/ALD. HARRISOlf stated
that he dived for RUBY and tried to knock tho gun from his
hand but was too late. HARRISON stated that Rj3Y nade the
remark at_the-_-tine, ."I hoj2 I killed the SOB^nd caviid a /p .
lot of p©opre"'s6mQ trouble^ -^ filc> vipi ^t~C(uc>Xj y<x.<>u>L.'^i f^^i^i
•^iQTQ from T5etweQn
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HARRISOII estimated that thero were from T5etweQn
60 - 80 news media in tho ramp entrance and drive' area at-
tho time of the shooting.
11/24/63
Dallas, Texas
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•D-302 (R.T.3.3-J9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Daf __11Z24Z63 Vj
A. D. HODGE, owner of Buckhorn Bar and Trading Post, i;), -^
217-19 South Ervay, residence 6573 Senwood, Dallas, Te::as, V
stated that he has known JACK LEON RUBY for over 20 years, vo^^
that RUBY during that time hae boon vory well known by most --4
of the police officers in the Dallas Police Department, as y ^•
well as the Sheriff's Office. HODGE stated that prior to i ' •
seeing a photograph in the newspapers of LEE HARVEY OSv;ALD, "^\x ^^ <
he had never known that individual before, nor had he ever
heard of him. ^
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Mr. HODGE stated he did not have any information
concerning possible associations between OSV/ALD and RUBY. ^ ^
Mr. HODGE stated that on the evening of November 22, 1963 -,
the same date of the assassination of President KENNEDY, he
had been talking to some officers in the Dallas Police
Department at their request concerning the assassination r^ -si
weapon, since he is somewhat of a gun collector in the >^ n,
Buckhorn Trading Post, and the Dallas Police Department ^^
wanted him to check all of his records concerning the sale
of the assassination weapon to OSWALD.
Mr. HODGE stated that the only pertinent thing he
wished to mention is that as he was going down on tho elevator
in the Dallas Police Department, City Hall, the elevator stopped
either on the second or third floor, and JACK LEON RUBY got on.
He stated that RUBY immediately shook hands with him and asked
"Have they arrested you, HODGE?" HODGE stated he took this as
a Joke, that both laughed, and nothing further was said about it.
He did not ask RUBY why he was there, nor did RUBY volunteer,
but he thought RUBY \>&s merely there as he was, attempting to
assist the Dallas Police Department.
HODGE reiterated' that he had no information concerning
any connections between RUBY and OSWALD.
A. D. Hodge Exhibit 1
11/24/63 «t Dallas. Texas Pil, i(^ Dallas 44-1639
JAMES W. ANDERTON
i Special Afl.nt S and EDMOND C. HARDIN/sl ^ 1' S* Oot. dictated 11/24/63
' • docunaol contain* n«Mh«r raeemmcDdationa nor conclualona r- oi. ■)<• proparty d( Ih* FBI and la loaned Xc
Ir as.ney; II and tia aaatat^J^l^ira' nal 'a^Oa dtairibut.rf eui.M. ; ,ancy.
Hodge Exhibit No. 1
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Holland Exhibit A
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Holland Exhibit C
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VOLUNTAR.V STATEMENT. Not Vadtt Amtt. Pona No. 30
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Dcforo roc. tho undcrcJsncd authority, on thU tho _2il d .y of . ^Tpy'"!^""^?! A.. D. 19-i23_
^„..^.,.„„^...,,,H S. M. Holland Adj-::i ^^^9 Luclllo. Irving,
/.:= ^L_. Phone No. BIL3-218^ Tor.as
Di?o;ci end sayai- 3; r^^.^ olcftal Supervisor Tor th( Un.oii Torrnlnal and I was
iiicpactinf; si^i^al and si/itchQs and stoppod to uatch tho parade.
I i;a3 ctandinr^ on top of tho triple lindcrpcss and tho Proaidont's Car
ijas co.'.iinf; dov;a iiln Stroot and xjhon thoy get Just about to tho Arcado
I hoard uhat I thought for tho no.-ncnt via 3 a Tiro crackor and ho siu;r,pod
over and I loolcod ovov tov/ard tho arcado and troes and sav/ a pufr of
svio'co co".c from tho troos and I hoard tlirco .nioi'o shots aftor tho first
shot but that iJas tho only puj?f . of sinoko I sa\'.. I i.TU'aediatoly ran around
to i:hcro I could sco behind tho arcado and did not soo anyone running
fro:.-; there. But tho puff of 3:.ip'-:o I oa'-: definitely carao from behind
the .arcado throuch tho trees. Aftor tho first shot the 'Prosident 3lu:i:ped
ovor and lira. Konnody iui.ipod up and tried to c°'*' ovor In, tho back seat
to him and then tho second shot rang out. After tho first shot tho
s-crot service man raised up in tho seat vrith a raachino cua and thou
ciropped back doun in" tho soat. And thoy ininiodlatoly sped off.
iilvcrythinf^' is spinning in. my hoad and if I romeaibor anything elso lator
I v:ill couio back and toll Bill.
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Notary Public, Dallas Coui^ty, Texas
Holland Exhibit D
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"Mr. J.E. Curry
Chief of Police
"December 1, 1963
"Sir;
" Re: Interview of Reserve Officer,
Patrolman Harold B. Holly Jr., 325
"On December 1, 1963 Reserve Officer, Patrolman Harold B.
Holly Jr. was interviewed by the .undersigned officers
as to any information he might have concerning the shooting
of Lee Harvey Oswald. Holly had not submitted a report
prior to the interview V7ith these officers.
"Patrolman Holly stated that he reported to the City Hall
at approximately lis 30 a.m. on November 24, 1963. He was
assigned to work traffic at the intersection of Main and
Harwood Streets. At approximately 11:45 a.m. he was
assigned to Parkland Hospital to assist in the handling of
traffic at that location.
"While there. Holly stated that an unknown reserve police
officer related to him that he, the unkno^Tn reserve
officer, had passed Jack Ruby into the basement of the
City Hall after Ruby had, presented press credentials.
"Holly was shown photographs of several reserve officers
by Captain J. M. Solomon and was unable to identify this
unknovm reserve officer.
"Captain Solomon advised the undersigned officers to be
skeptical of this information and not to place too much
credence in it.
"Holly stated that he was not familiar with Jack
Ruby and had not seen him on the date of Oswald's
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Holly Exhibit No. 5109
164
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"shooting. At this time Holly has not been contacted
by ary federal agency.
"Respectfully submitted.
/s/ Jack Revill, Lieutenant
Special Service Bureau"
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Ft)-302 (Rov, 3.3-S9)' pf RAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
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l-L^nOLD B. KOLLY. JR., 3429 Antilles, residenca ^ .\
phcr.c E?.. 9-45S4, Dallas, Texas, furnished the following (^^ ^^
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He is employed as a General Contractor with v^ • f ^
offices at his residence. He has been a reserve police -^ , \^,
officer with fee Police Department at Dallas, Texas, ^ ^ _:;
for a nur.:ber of years and is presently a member of the ,' r-7.., C
First Platoon, "C" Company. J .1^'''^
.'^s concerns his assignments during the week end
of Novev-iber 24, 1963, he vjas first contacted by Sergeant
I-l-.YC , on November 21, 1963, and v;as told to report to
the ccir.ir.and post of the police reserves at the Central
Police Headquarters on the follovying day. ?:e stated,
hov;evar, he had business to conduct on the morning of
November 22, 1963, and learned of the President's assacsina-
ticr. while at his residence. Ke imAiediately put on his
uniform and proceeded to Central Police Mea.dquarcers ,
arriving there about an hour after the President's assassina-
tion. There x;as much confusion at the police station and
he did not see any reserve officers that he la?.ew there.
He did not laicw LEE tLVRVEY CS'.JALD was in the building at
that time. He went to the office of the Burglary & Theft
Unit cvi the third floor and spoke with a Captain SOLCIICN,
v.-ho is the coordinator for the police reserves and is
assigned to the police training school. He asl-.ed Captain
SCLCMOl^ what he could do to assist arid v;as told it was
alright for him to help the regular officers keep spectatorc
away frc.ii the third floor of the Central Police Headcuarterc .
He then stationed himself in che third floor lobby and
checlced identification of anyone v/ho attempted to i7alk
do-.-.Tn the hall xjhere LEE K.iRVEY OSVJ.a.LD was being held. Ke
stated he vjas not instructed as to vjhat type of identifica-
tion would be valid, but he assumed that it would consist
of seme type of official press card. In his cirn mind, he
felt press badges were not proper identification and ailc'wed
no one to pass doxm the hall v;ho merely had a press badge.
He made a point to check everyone attem.pting to walk by
him who v.^as not in uniform. He did not l<r.ox7 vjho \-7as in
charge of the security detail on the third floor. Ke
worlced for about four hours on the third floor until about
6:00 Kl and then went to the basement of the Police Departm.3~
12/6/53 Dallas. X-x^.o -.., ,, DL 44-1639
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Ly s^ocici A-z^r.^ s .701^:3 E. jXin:-<^ fc "., :.■:):■■ nv--.-s-:'.%.^^ 6icio,^d 12/7/63
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T'r.Ia documor.t ccnti::ns nalther rocammendatlonn nor concluEions ol the FB:.> !t Is the property ol the FBI or.d 1: 1
your agency; It c.u :ta contents ore not to be dletrlbuted outetde your aqey^
Ex. No. 5110 HOLLY, H.B. Jr. Deposition
Dallas 3-26-6^
Holly Exhibit No. 5110
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Eov .■■sboiic thii'cy n^.inuies rw tOi.iix Ke scsCed he v;as coo
u:.;j>i.:t. J.s a rosijl!.. of ahe. ijS; r-vir.^Kion co eac diiinet;..
;k- v;;'^ik; back cO the thixd £"t.on)V and sitciyed there uncil.
jb>.'u;. 7 30 PN', ac which cirvit;' he left the police station •
ond Vi>i.i.Ni-ivd to his hffin<-^ ,. iie did vox, see JACK RUBY e.C
cho" polir.c stacion at -jny t !■;)<.* on ch.it. d^y .
On Saturday,, Niivcinbe ?. 2'K 1963, he returned to
the (.Mrir-v,;:! Police Ker^dqu'-rit i.-.rs at Cibouc 7:00 ?M end was
"."Msxgood V>y a roservtr offivor , i^^ho&o identity ha did v:ot
U'v,.>w\ to dixijct tTttff-ic 0:-r live lnK.v'7;ve:Ctlcn of Co>n.T.erce
;:;d AlOid Street's in dov,/nt o-viu rail;-;?:. He viforlced at this
.■iSsif;nm>-MU. Tru: three huur.v arnl cbc-n returr.ed co his.hca:e
after sij^ning ouc at thi? re'/?;-ve <:^o;r,.'nand pose at police
headquarters. He did n«f ai<?c j1A<TK RCBV ;/.t any time on
Chc t day .
On Sunday ,, Hovi-.
24, 1%3, Serjeant MA.YO
cjilled his hcir.e rsc .niboMf! *^J 00 '/■H h-ud rold his wife they
\gere .goinR to move hT.f-.- B '.w-iKY OSWA'S-t') cwc of the police
headquarters oz abo-ut 2' 00 Pfi ,, . .?^nd thxit he &uc-oId, be there
before they ir.ovtd him ooj. Se^ge-ii^t Fi:\YO caiitioned his
v;ife not to tell anyone of .vhti >e piar^s., • He left his hcir.e
i^OKetime after 10; 00 AM,, on ^:^'vt:Jnber lit-, 1963, and' upon- 1 .
arriving at Central I'olice HeaoqTyivircets deteriUined that
LE!:". K/\;-vVf!V OSWALD h-;-<d been Sih^t appa Pxira^itely five to ten-'
inin-jces before hiii axtiv/il. He he-'-^id a broadcast r'eflect-
in2 £hi? on his car t'^'diio sV^ii, .t ly before he arrived at
the headquar ceis . K-i 7iiJintidi^.;;v:ly repor ced to a Lieutenant
KRV3S, a reserve officer, w'h'a »as r>t the laaip entrance on
Main Street, Lieutenant KRISS did not mal<e any cornaients
; CO hlra concerning the sVsooLipg., b^t directed him to keep
trar_"ic moving ac chatr. Lacrifcioi;ii„ He then took a position
on the Main Street cuib ir* ■^j-o-nc of ibe rasip, and kept
vehicles containing spcctii-Wt-.^ isoving on Main Street.
There v:are a few cth:;?r: refeetvo- officers in the vicinity,
but Lieti tenant KRISS was the cnly one he recognized. After
about ten minutes., Licuirenartit KKISS told him to report to
the command pose in the ba5"':^imenc snd there he received an
assignment from a reserve officer he did not know to join
a. detail being sent to Pa^kliiioi i:<e-^5.a: ial Hospital. Upon
Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued
c^H ^
167
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ci-ri.vinz <it Parkland Kcniorial I-Iocpitalj he V7as accisned
i.o u.h3 cacisrity datc.il on the nor^haast section of 'che
Icxra aud spoilt approximately three hours there. Kis
iustractions v7ere to Icaep cpectators av^ay.
After approximately three hours at that location,
Capiain SCLCKOW assij^ncd h±zi to act zc security on the
po_--cion of the hospital lawn v^hich -vras in the vicinity of
v.-hcve the Governor of Texas v/as hospitaliiied.- Scn'.etirr.e
ct'^rins the period he wa.s there, he tallced to a reserve
cjiiicer,, i;hose identity he did not Icncw, and. this officer
tele hi;:; that either he scj-j "the rr.'an" corae in the bacerr.ent
of the police station, ha.d' seen hiu in the basenent of the
"Tiica ctatiovij or had let him cc~:e in the police station.
■rhii; officer told him he did rot laioc? JACK RUBY and re-
ferred ra him v;hen disc^isc-ins it a'^.; "the nan" in reference
to the r.ian v.?ho sh.>t CSUALD . T.e £ti;t:ed he v;as unable to
recall exactly what thii officer said, but it i;as probably
one of the three possibilities he had just mentioned.
This reserve officer did not say where he was assigned
at the Central Police Headqaarters at the time of the
shooting o I-Ie also recalled this officer told him that
"the man" had a press bedge hanging from his coat lapel.
i
• -
Me relayed tMs information to a close personal
friend of his^ I2etective GiJS EVSSI-IART, i-Jho is a regular
officer i.5£ig?ied to the Burglary c.- Theft Unit, lie believed
he told r'-'ViiRI-L/iJ^T this on the follcuing day. Later on the
str-e week, he was instrtacted to report to Captain SCLCvlOK,
at which time Captain SOLOMUN exhibited photographs of
rej-erve officers to him in an effort to identify the
reserve officer he spol^e vjith at the hospital. Ke picked
c'j't one of these photographs as possibly beivig a good
ness of the reserve officer he had spolcen with, and
ec^lled Captain SOLOMON saying that this officer v/as one
f the men who was on duty apparently on the Main Street
■cnip at the time' of the 'snooting,, He recalled SOLOMCrl
aying i-..'ords to the ef fecr ^hat he ^••as the reserve officer
s signed thexe, He^. pt-r fc?«Ji:al ly , did net Icioi? i.'ho was on
v.---'; ot thfc M-jiir. Stree,. r:«rap at iiha time of the shooting.
•J. civ. ■;<_').■ 1 '".;.■:'' cce O'f f-ic-Tic he "aad t^r.-^K^n V7ith as a vjhite male.
-y?
Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued
168
DL ^A-1639
4
age 35, 3° 9", 170 lbs,, v;ich an olive complexion. This
officer vas a patrolman aud he could recall no additional
dascripcive daca„
He believed there was a regular officer direc'cing
traffic at the intersection of Main and Karvood Streets
during the time he was assigned to direct traffic at the
Main Street rarap after the shooting.
After reading in the paper that a lie-detector
test had been given an officer of the Police Departrnsnt,
he assumed the officer referred co was the reserve officer
he identified froni photographs exhibited to him by Captain
SOLOMON . He has not heard anything from anyone at the
police Deoartment, however, concerning the identity of the
officer who allowed JACK RUBY to enter the building, how
he might have gotten in., or who the reserve officer he
spoke vvith might have been.
As concerns JACK RUBY, he first met bin about
D.v'o years ago. TOM WATSON, a paint contractor, who is
r.ovj deceased, arranged with RUBY to paint the front of
cbe Caro'Usel Club„ Prior to that time, he had not met
irJSY . W.'^TSON and he want to the club on a Saturday morning
and RUBY Wc^s there; however, they had very little conversa-
tion with him. A price had been agreed on for the job
but, when RUBY saw how little time it took thera to finish
it;, he became upset and indicated he did not think it v;as
worth thit much. Since a price had been agreed at prior
to p-iinting the front, RUBY eventually paid them what they
had askedo
Ke has seen RU3Y several times V7hen he rode as
a partner vjith Lieutenant EVERHART since that time.
EVER'ti/vRT was v/orking in Special Services then and it vjas
necessary for him to check all the various night clubs
in Dallas, including RUi&Y's clubs. At no time during
these checks did he cc-'nverse with RUBY , however. RUiiY
never extended any favors toiiiir. or Lieutenant EVERHART
fc'hll-3 he van vith hire-., and he. vcixid certainly not accept
any f^-y->irt ki ti„^v y^:^;:^ offered.
>^
Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued
169
DL A/*a»'>39
He Icncvs nochlr^s concsrnirig ths baclcsroundj
p?r:;<.;Ml iife^ or, political convictions of JACK RUBY .■,-..., -
I-;.?- bv!d ivver hec:rd of LEE HARVEY OSVJ/iD prior to the '
Presj-dent ■ "i assassinatiori ar.d lar.ous of no connection
between OSUALD and JACK RUBY. "^- "'-' '- ''•■-.-
!
Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued
170
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Holly Exhibit No. 5111
I
171
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172
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rfti or tmpruptr purpo»«»: th« ctrndoct oT t frmxalxdtnt e» tattixy buittMfM the pf»ctic«
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INSTRUCTIONS FOR WORKING COMBINATION BOX
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NAME Of APPLICANT (i>ri
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Holmes Exhibit No. 1-A
744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 13
173
Harry D. Holmes Exhibit 2
NEW FAMED FIREARMS MTERNATIONAL MATADOR!
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174
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Dalloj^ Texas
InTornv-vl r.cniorandun l\Lrnichcd "by Poct:a Lnnpcctor H. D. lislr^c, Lallc:;, l-c:'^',
of cji intci-vicvr he took part In vith Loo n. Ocirald on Sunday inomina, x:over:ocr
2^, 1953, l>ct\.'ccn the apprordratG hov;-3 of 9:25 a.n. to 11:10 a.r:. &.G2e
prcGcnt, in addition to Incpcctor iLjl^'.co, vcr-o Captain Will Fritii^ Dallas
Police, Forrest V. Sorrels, Local A^cnt In Choree, Secret £cr-/lcc, and Thoriaa
J. Kelly, Incnector, Secret Service. In addition, there vcre thi-ec Detcctivea
vho vcre apparently accicned to Guordlae Oswald an none of thea tool: port la
the int err ©cation.
Oswald at no tirco appeared confuned or in doubt oo to whether or not he should
cnsvcr a question . 'On tlic contrary, he vao quite alert and Gho-.red no hesitancy
iu anCT>'crlr<; thoco questions vhlch he vantcd to cnsvrer, and vao quite chillful
in parrying those questions which he did not vent to onsver. I cot thji irnressica
tliat ho lied disciplined hlo cind end rcTleixcQ to a ctato vhcre 1 personally
doubted if ho vould ever liavc confessed. Ec denied, crqVnatically, ha-/±nc tckcTi.
pai-t in or iiavln^ hod any Imowledcc of the chootln^; of the policeroa Tippitt or
of the President, ctatlnc that so far as he is concerned the rcaccn ho was in
custody was bccauao ho "popped a policczian in the nocQ in a theater ca Jeffcrcca
Avenue."
P. 0. B0>23— He was questioned separately cliout the three "boxes he had
rented, and in caeh instance lilo cr.cvrcrs vcre quick, direct end accurate as
reflected on the "box rental applications. He stated vit'nout prorritin^ that
ho hod rented Box 2915 at the l-Ioin Post Office for several r^Dnths prior to
his coin^ to IJcr./ Orleans, that this box iras rented in his cr.m. na::^^, Lee H.
Oswald, and that he had ta^cen out two Iccyo to t"ne "box, and that v/ViCn he had
closed the hex, he directed that his call "be forwarded to bin at his street
address la IIov Orleans.
Ho stated that no one received nrJ.! in this "box other then Llrxelf , nor did
ho receive any rnail under any other na:no than his o\/n true nare; tiiat no one
had access to the "box other thcx. hir/^elf nor did he pemit enycne else to vs.o
this "box. llo stated it was possible that on rare occasions he r,ay have handed,
one of the keys to his wife to go cet his Eiall but certainly nobody else. He
denied en^Dhatically that he ever ordered a rifle under his narx; or any other
n£."e, nor permitted, anyone else to order a rifle to be received in this box.
Further, he denied that he had ever ordered any rifle by r-.oil order or bo-^"at ariy ■
noney order for the purpose of paying for such a rifle. In fact, he clairied he
cr^iCd no riTlo and hod not practiced or shot a rifle other than possibly a .22,
cr.;il.l bore rifle, since his days with the M:;rinc Corp. He stated that "Eov
could I afford to order a rifle on ::y salary of $1.25 oa hour when I can't
hardly iTccd cyself on what I zaa]ce."
Holmes Exhibit No. 4
177
i"o-.' t::o rcacou thrj'J he ovjocvrocd to ;:cvcrcl pubHicc/jlor.n, c-i -cr-.-Zw 'cvc^c-
v/.ich vcrc puhlich-cd ir. r;uG=ir.,^ one ocii;:; "iho hc.^r.=-|:.ov-^ I'-r-C;^ "' ""^ t* J; '""';;;.. 1"?
■th-at it van =:orc practical to ciroly rent poat cmco corcco cr^ .-.avo ;"-is
•^s-dl AOi--:crdcd i?rora one be:: to the nczit rath.cr ti:cn c'-^in:: t':rcu2;h t;-.i- r-rccccc
cni'ono ot'.:cr f.icr. hir-^cli? to C'^'- ^-^j- i^ ^o:-: 3^^-^^ •'-'- -'-•■' '^~~'-~'-^j -- -tv^c-"-
t".'u:t h.G did not. It \rll2. be recalled that on thlc be:-: rent arz-'-i-"--^-'- -'•-
chovcd t'nat both I'^^riiia Ocr.rold end A. J. Ilidcll vcrc lictcd und^r ths cc^tion
"Pcrcons entitled to roccivo r.::il f.n-ov.^sh be::", /rtcr dci^inc that crc-cn- clcc
that, end it conld very •■■ell be th.nt I did place her na,-o or. the cro'^'^^^^-^-^" •
He vas then rcrdnded tliat the anylicction al:;o chc-.:cd the nc.-e A. J. Ilidell
vos alco entitled to receive r^l in the bo::, at vhich he siinply ihruc;c<^-i ^-
shoulders end stctc%i "I don't recall ciiythin^ about that".
f. .:; 1c:-:cj:. School Booh De-.OGitcrj', he had rented a box at the nearby Tcrrijial
in his nor-.e, Lee h. 0:r.;ald. T'; r.cr,t-_d hs hod only chech.cd out one hey Ccr
on hi:; person at the ti:;.:; ci h . ^-vcit. He proj^ecccd not to recall •;he i'aet
and coid that he didn't roeall eh.o-.rin" then:, '.■rncn ached i^ he ooid "che be::
ansr.'cr to another cuo::tion, he alco ctatcd that no one hod any hncr<;lceL;;e that
■ crrort '-0 ^cln but it vac ncv - r.ade clear vliethcr he hod or had n"i been
accepted. Ho stated tliat he i'irnt bcca-c interested iii the 7.;ir ?lcy rTor Cuba
they had' any president or any elected orficers. He stated that hOj '.::.:rc~—j
eculd probably be considered t;:c secretary,'' since 'rio "(.Totc soive letters en :;h:ir
Holmes Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
17»
Dalles, ?o:caxi ■ -J
Uhca Mkcd IT ho VQC c corioinict, he ctatcd CTnh:icxccllyjnoo, ...a.^hc -:^^
y-^-cict. Cor:conc ackcd the dirrcrcncc crA ho ctatcd .hct a conrr^-ix:;- ^-^^a
Lenin-: '^-T'-lct, that he hiEcclT vcio a pvirc Mcr^dct, end x;ncn co.-oono^cn^.cc.
the dirrcrcncc, he otcted th-t it vcjs a lon^ ztory end If tncy o_<.cn -^ /j-x-., ^
it vould tcJcc too Ions to toll tl^cri.^ Ho otatcd further that he hod rcoa a^cu.
cvcryth.lns vrlttcn "by or about Karl 2'Iar>:.
vrncn asked on to Ms rcllclon, ho ctatcd that ICarl M^>c vc5 hlG reli&Lon, end
in rcaponce to l\irbhcr oucctionin.'S he stated that come people inay rind^tnc
Bihlc interesting reading, "out it vao not Tor hin^ ctatin^; further that cr/ca
cc a philosophy there V£ls not much to the Biblo.
MiVKH-H: COR? SERYICE Captain Fritz radc como r.cnticn of his dishonorable
diecharco fron tho I-trine Corp at v.'hich point ho "bristled noticcahly, stating
that he had hcca diceharccd vith an "bonorahlo" dlschai'CG end that this vas
later changed due to his having; attcr:ptcd to denounce his /i_"ericen Citizenship
uMle ho vaa living in Russia. He stated further that since his chanse cf
citizenship did not cor.o to pass, he had -written a letter to lir. Connelly,
then Cccrctnry of tho ITavy, and af-^er considerable' dclcy,' received a very
respectful reply vhcrcin Connelly stated he hal rcsit?icd to rc:n for Ccr/crncr
of Texas, end' that his letter vas helno; referred to the ncir Gccrctery, a :'-r.
Cork, Kurth, or cosathinc liko that. Ee shoved no particular, cnlc^cslty t<r-erd
yx, Connelly vhilo dlscussins this feature.
^:^P — Coptain Fritz adviGCd hiu that anions hie effects in hie roon, there vas
found a r,ap of. tho City of Dallas that lied so.-ue Eark.s on it and asltcd hir: to
, explain trJLc cap. Csvald said he prcsu-'iicd he had reference to en old City ran
vliich he had on vhich ha had nade sor;o X'c dCQctin^; location of fims that hj:^
adver'tisod J oh vacancies. He stated, that he had no trensportation cad cither
•v.'rJD-:cd or rode a hus end that as he vas constantly look-in^ for vork,- in fact
had recictei'cd for erTolcynent at the Sc:>:as Ib^ployncnt Bureau, and that as he
vc^lLd receive leads cither frora nuvspapcr ads or fron the Bureau or frcn
neichhors, he vould chart these places on the roap to save tir.e in his travelinj*
no caid to the hest of his recollection, ax>st of than verc out Industrial',
pres'irrahly ir.oenieG Industrial Blvd. ''..'hen asked as to vhy the X at the Iccatlca
. of the Tc::^i3 School Book Depository at Elm and Houston, he stated that "Uell,
I lutcrvie./ed there for a joh, in fact, got .the Joh, thcrofcro the X".
l/hen asked as to hov he learned ahout this vacancy, ho ctatcd th-at "Oh, it vas
General inforr-ation in tho neichborhocd, I don't recall Just vho told :zs about
it, hut I leomed it frora people in 1-Irs. Pcynes' neishhorhcod" and that all tho
people around there vere looking out for possible CLTplcy.nant for r-izi.
AC2T'rxJ:i JUS? PRIOR TO Aim H-C-EDL^SSLY FOLLOWH^j ASSASSEL'C'IOII /JTZSI^— -To an
inquiry as to vhy he Trent to visit his vif e on Th'orsdcy nisht, ITovecher 21,
vhercaa ha normlly visited her over the \/eekend, ho ctatcd th^t on this
particTiLar veekend he had Icai-ned tk*at hio ^.-ife and M-c. Peyno i.-cre ci"^iA3 a
party for thQ chiildrea and th-at they verc having in a "houseful" of ncirhoorhood
children end that he Just didn't want to be around at Such a ti2:a. therefore,
be cadQ hio veekiy vicit oa Thurcdoy night.
Holmes Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
179
V-r.cn cijkcd if he didn't triiiG g ctick vrith hlr: -the nc::t r.omin^ -io i/crl'.j^^io _^
CwCtcd that he did, rjid i:h.cn r.r;.:cd og to the cor.tc.itc of the ca^-.^_ he; c'^^^-co.
fr.cit it contained hl3 limch. "Zncn, vhca och.cd as to the cis^e or chcoe of tho
cacl:, he ccdd "Oh, I don't recall, it r^ licvc a cr.cai cccl: or a Icrcc each,
you don't cl\rs^a find ono that Juct flto your srxd'„-ichoo." V.l-icn cckcd aa to^^
^,•hcro ho placed the cack vhcn'hc cO" i^ "i^'^G car, he Gaid in hdo lap, cr pc3=l"b3y
tho front acat bcaldc hlri, aa ho alvcys did TDCCauce he didn't vant to C-'i ^-
crushed. He denied that ho placed a:iy package in the bach acat. vH-.cn advlccd
that tr.e driver ctatcd that he hcd brouc'nt out a Ions parcel end placed it in
the bach scat, bo ctatcd "Oh, ho riuct be nictclicn or else thinlcinc about ccso
other tinx; vhca bo pichcd no up."
\nicn. ac'.tcd as to liis vhci-cabouts at the tiria of the chcotinc;, he stated that
vhcn lunch ttec cc:;-.c, c::d he didn't ccy vliich floor h^ vrac on, he ccid one of
the Nesro crrploycco invited him to cat lunch ^rith bin end he stated "You co ^
on dCT.-n and send tho elevator bach up nnd I ^rf.11 join you in a fcv -inutcs."
Before he could finish vhatevor ho var; doinc, be stated, the ccnrr^tion
cui-roundin^ the assassination too!: place end vhcn he iront dov-n stairs, a polico-
r,aa nucctloncd liir. ao to his identification rad Ms boss stated that "he is ons
of our cn:ployces" vhcreupon the police:r.an had bin step aside r.cr.entarily.
PollCTsxin^' this, bo sisnly vall:cd out the front door of the buildins- I don't
recall tliat anyone anl:cd why he left or vncrc or hcrr.hc ^7cnt. I Just prcsusicd
that this bed been covered in an earlier q.uc3'tionin2.
A. J. TrmTT.T. IDi:2IFICr>TI0:i CI'^D Captai^i Prit:: ashed bia if he h^cv aa^'cne
by the na-nc of A. J. Hidell end ho denied th^at ho did. I-.'hcn cnh.cd if ho had
ever used this naco as an alios, he also r^do a denial. In fact, he stated
that be had never used tho na-ro, didn't laiov anyone by this na-e, and r.a-/cr
bad beard of the ncr,a before. Captain Trits then aal'.cd h.ia about the LB.
card ho bad in bis podcct bearing such a no-jc and he flared up ar^i stated
"I've told you all I'm coins "^^ about that card. You took notes, just read
tlic-a for youi'selT, if you/irant to refresh your rer:xiry." Ho told Captain Frits
that "You have tho card. I'ov you luio-,: cs rruch about it as I do."
About 11:00 a.n. or a few nlnutcs thereafter, sor^one handed through th^ door
several hcaccrs on which there vcrc sor.o trousers, shirl^s, and a couple cf
Dvcaters. vrncn. asked if bo wanted to char.50 any of hie clothes before beir^
transfci-rcd to the County Jail, he said "Just cive r:a one of those sweaters."
He didn't like the one th.cy banded bin and insisted en putting on a black
slip-over c.-eatcr that bad so-.e Jacked holos in it near tho front cf the ric;bt
shoulder. One cuff was released w'nile he slipped tr.iG over th.e head, follcwin,
vh-ich he w"as acain cuffed. l>cr±az this change of clothinc;, C::LLcf of Police
Curry caT.s into the roor: and discussed coractbins in an inaudible undertone vit
Captain Pritz, apparently for tho purpose of not lotting Os-rrold bear what was
bein^ said. I bavo no idea what this conversation was, but Just presunie they
were dlscassin^ tho transfer of the prisoner. I did not i;^o downstairs to
vitacca tbo f^nrtlier -"crancf er of the prisoner.
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H. D. KOLVtS
Pcsti! Ir.;pcctor
D:!;as 22, Tcxcs
Holmes Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
180
WANTED
TREASON
THIS MAN is wanted for tr«ase«H»us
•ctivitws agakist Hm Unit«d Sfat«>:
1. Batraying th« Constitution (which
he swore to uphold):
He is turning the sovereignty of
the U. S. over to the communist
controlled United Nations.
He is betraying our friends (Cuba,
Katanga, Portugal) ar>d befriend-
ing our enemies (Russia, Yugosia*
via, Poland).
2 Me has been WRONG on innu-
merable issues affecting the se-
curity of the U.S. (United Nations*
Berlin wall-Missle removal. Giba«
Wheat deals -Test Ban Treaty.etc)
3 . He has boon lax in enforcing Com-
munist Registration Um*.
4 Hefwsghfonsi^ipmtandwieeur*
agement to the Communiit imp*
ired racial riots.
5. Ho has illegally invaded a sover-
eign State ¥rith federd tnMps.
6. He fias consistently appointed
Anti-Christians to Federal office:
UplKtids the Suf>reme Court in
its Anti-Christian rulings.
Aliens and iaiown Communists
abound in Federal offices.
7. He has been caught in fantaftk
LIES to the American poopio (in-
cluding personal ones like his
previous marraige and dh^erce).
Harry D. Holme* Exhibit No. 5
Holmes Exhibit No. 5
181
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Holmes Exhibit No. 6
182
>ON liX^liiSlT 1
Hudson Exhibit No. 1
183
rD-303 (R.». jo.5») FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Do^a'
U/23/63
^\Vxr\
ROBERT S. HuFFAKER, JR.., Ji-703 E&«t Side Avenue, Apartcent -d '
115, a newsman for KL.HD-T7, DAni^,3, ^ivt^e.i. th*t on Koventer 24, '^- l ;
196;^ he went to the Dallas Police Station -e.bout 8:00 AM, and entered >:: "'-
the-first floor door on the M-iin Street c-lde. No one vas checking '^ "t,N
for Identification at the time- he entered thifi door. However, he '"- ^ .
rode the elevator to the third floor "iDd, af- he doz off the elevator, "^^ ^
h? '.Kis required to produce ideatificatlcn Kveal.ng that he represented , ^ ' .
a r»ewj; media. v i^ "^ ,
HUFFAKER went to the basem?nt of ihe Police Department ■;> M •
Building ftbo-jt one-hnlf hour before OWALO vp.s shot. He vas re- - C !
quired to Rhov his press cari ap he erjter'^d the •vnrklsg area in ''>i\ • ',
j-the baeenient. At that time, he obfetv^^d th' t everyone else vho /\'^ /•
'entered the ba?ement area v^s re5iilred to p oduct; identification. \' ^^ .■-■.
'There were only a few ■£^r?oa9 in the bajemet.t vht-n he fir?t arrived. ^ < ^
He noted that Sergeants PATB.IC< DKTS and Jlil mjr'.IAM appeared to be i6^ J:
in charge of securit.y in the barenent, and \e va i impressed vlth ^ ,'^
the thoroughness with which they seemed to Ve checking all persons '^ ^
in the araa. He even noted they v^re f-he^<"-y>. rn? police automobiles o i.-^ i
parked in the area. T -v! 1
HUFFAKER advised he loee not know .JACK F:U3Y and cannot ~^ '^'^ \
recall having ?een him In the baseaect of t1 e Pc .Ice Department '
prior to the shootlcg. In fact, If. did r.ct get 1. look at PUEY's |
face even after OSW/XD was i;hotr He had ^3 luied a e-tation dlr-^~:tly j
in front of the door.? leading f roi: the elev tor < r.ito the ramp ir.
the basement and h-^d been trying lo kef-p po; .=od5 cut of the line I
of the KLRD C'smer-H^ in order that OSWAIO cov Id bt photographed aa he i
3.pft the door? leaillng from the •sl'ivator. 1 i." eje? were focused '
on OSWALD a-; he appro'^chsd the autcmobll** which vas to transport 1
him to the County Jail aod, vhen the &hot rang out, he looked ' ;
toward OSVJAID, a? the l<itter fell to the floor. About that time,
officer.' in the group gr.r.bb?.! PU2Y and he va;- un'^.blrt to distinguish {
one ;>er»on from auother. |
HUTTAiGR ?t^t*:l th^t the qui-.k movement of R-.JBY toward
OSWALD would not have attrH'^tc'.d bi."^ atteatioo., in^ismuch as the
seventy-five or mors nevfoien in the aren were constantly .jostling
for position ^nd it vs.;' not vfcommon for one of then to Jo?t-le
against another or to zRove iDlckiy xo a more advantanj'^ous site.
He did not hear anyone yell at P.U3Y Jupt prior to or einultaneoufly
with the shcotinc, but »<4vi:el thur e w'^- ^0 m'jc>:i_n^i»«^_ in the area
_Ex.N0.533i HUFFAKER,R. Deposition-
Dallas /;-16-6/;
11/28/63 Dal.lar, Tpxa^ F-| # "'"' "^"-^"J^
by Spociol Ag,nt. SDMOND C. HA'^.DIN- fr, PA(-?H F. PAVP..I?f?S Dof» dictot«d U/28/6^
T^la document contains neither rec^-MDendatlooe nor oonclualone of the FBI. It te the property oi the FBI and U loaned to
your ogeacy; It and Ite contents oiXEf'Ojto be distributed outside your agency,
xdRO :
HuFFAKER Exhibit No. 5331
184
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It 13 pocsitle pomeoae could have y»jLl.ed without him heerlng.
HUFFAKER stated that it appeared to him that all persons
in the area vere helDg closely checked for Identification prior to
adoittance to the b«*«:eroent er^a. At no instances did he observe
pereona admitted without exhibiting Ideatiflcatlon,
HuFFAKEK Exhibit No. 5331 — Continued
i
185
^««o» (K«T. s-»-4t) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION ' X^^^
December 2» 1963
Oat*.
Mr. ROBERT S. HUFFAKER, JR., on interview at his
residence, A700 East Side Avenue, Apartment 115, furnished
the following information:
He has been in Dallas for only seven months and
is employed as a reporter for KRLD. He is not well ac-
quainted in Dallas and prior to the time JACK RUBY shot
OSWALD, he was not acquainted with RUBY, and to the best
of his recollection had never seen RUBY before.
On the morning of November 24, 1963, he was assigned
to get the story on the transfer of LEE HARVEY OSWALD from
the Dallas City Jail to the Dallas County Jail, and he went
to the Dallas Police and Courts Building for this purpose.
He was required to show identification as a representative
of the press in order to get into the basement of the Police
Building and to get to the drive- through ramp in the base- 4\l/^
ment where he was standing at the time of the shooting. "^^
He arrived at this position approximately thirty minutes \
prior to the shooting. Since he does not know RUBY, he .
would not recall whether RUBY was present in the crowd
prior to the time he did the shooting or not.
He would estimate the number of people present in
the basement of the Police and Courts Building at the time
of the shooting as approximately 75 people divided equally
between the press and police. He recognized JIM ENGLISH
and BOB HINKLE with KRLD- TV camera and TOM PETIT, of NBC,
and a French news representative, whose first name is
FRANCOIS but whose last name he does hot know, as being
present at the time of the shooting.
He observed guards at both ends of the drive- through
ramp and he saw officers searching the cars in the parking
area in the basement prior to the time OSWALD was brought
out of the Jail. He also saw a patrol wagon driven through to the
_Ex.No.5332 HUFFAKER,R, Depositioa,
Dallas 4-16-64
^ 'A Q-4
11/30/63 , Dallas, Texas^^ „ OL 44-1639
mt A. PINKSTON and *""• ' — —
WN/gm
k, S,.c,.l A,.n,« W- »*M.AN BROWN/g. ' „^ „„^^ WlW
This tfoeatMBt eoatalB* ■•lihar r»oaBa*adaUoa* nor eoeehialea* oi lh« FBI. tl la Ik* 9»9pMit •! tiM rkl tmt la laaa*4 !•
row afaaeri U aa« lu aoalaala at* ael la M atolrlbalad oataUft #M» S^tHSfl
HuFFAKER Exhibit No. 5332
186
2
DL 89-43
jail and obfetrved >gc. ^UTN'.K of thc> rolic* Doparttpcnt
search it beforo Ir. ^t/xt allowed Inr.j th^? bascrnoot. He
was required to uxhjblr. nis ureos pass and vouch for
JIM ENGLISH and r,Oi MIWKLF. with ^ttl.J»-VV as being ropro-
sentatives of IX/l) RJnce thf y did noc ha\rc press pusntn*
Mr. H/IFFAKJiR scat'.d that \\e. could n7»* ^ay th-ough
which wa}' RUrY entered the basement of th? jolicfe and
Courts 3uilding since )ie n'Svrr naw RIJBV untitl the i^.nstant
of Che shooting and c^o^as not koo./ wh^ro he ca'u* jTroii.
There was nothing tnat he obscrvtd that would indicate
any conspiracy on the part of anyone *.o lot .(ITJy Into
the crowd since all police personnel appeared to him to
have been taken eoiiplctely by sucorl^c. , V
HUFFAKER Exhibit No. 5332 — Continued
187
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RESIDEMCE HALL REPORT:.
PERMANENT S IN ; 101? Renau P. Brown McRee
608 J^n Burson McEee
K2XI 710 Berr.ard R. Tinney McRee
100$ Joseph H. Courts McRe©
P2FMANENTS OUT:
608 Jack Harting
1019 Thomas D. Foster
TRAIICIENTS TH :
ljl5 Lee Oswanld
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1;25 Woody GatrBOod
1:27 Henry N. Seror
129 W. H. 3ell
5oi Richard Kerr-
510 J. D. Smith
517 Laurence O'Dwyer
520 Jimmy Easterwood
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523 H. C. Wilspn
526 Puinald W. Lester
529 T. L. Sharer
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616 Job Jackson
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717 I-. E. Reinhardy
720 >;. Bonanno
720 Darrell L, Murray
721 Sam Dutherage
822 llike Fe..nell
82li Herbert ^wert
906 Lorence . Bravenec
928 Bill Baker
1021 Rev. Loepz GArcia
1112 R. F. Swenson
1215 H. A, Thompson
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
W, B.
P. M.
W. B.
W. B.
P. M.
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
W. B.
McRee
Marshall
Marshall
P. M.
V. B.
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
Marshall
Mo Bee
P. M.
W. B.
P. M.
P. M.
W. B.
M3NDAY, OCTOBER 1$, 1962
TRAUC TENTS OUT :
h07 J. E. Smith
120 S. M. Fletcher
503 rfelvin E. Papp
523 H. C. Wilson
52lj R. Swanda
602 B, D. Framer
60li Robert L>» Koweski
609 Jim Burs on
616 Joiin L, Genz
626 Jeff D. Swartz
72 14 Mat Matthews
710 Bernard R. Tinney
822 Wade Teague
828 John F. Pfifferling
829 Zellman Dickerson
912 Lee Oswald
913 Howard Berry
911: Jerry M. Swatting
929 Gary N. Watanard
1002 Jerry Welch
1002 John Weber
1105 HDbert Hess
1112 Samuel Dutheridge
1212 John B. Aiaiond
TRAILS FEES:
719 to 602 Dave Atkins
VACANCIES:
Marshall
Marshall
Bardford
Marshall
Marshall
Itorshall
W. B,
McRee
Bradford
J^arshall
Marshall
Marshall
Marsahll
Marshall
Marshall
Marshall
Marahll
McRee
Bradford
Marshall
Marshall
Bradford
Bradford
Marshall
Cf;
103, 107, 111, fi20, 142am 503, 523, 52J4, 528,
601, 609, 610, 611, 619, 620, 621, 625, 626,
627, 628, 70I4, 707, 715, 719, 92I4, 828, 829,
909, 912, 913, 911*, 921, 929, 1002, 1019,
1023, 1029, 1030, 1105, 1212.
CoBmisslon Exhibit 4^(0.
HuLEN Exhibit No. 14
198
Resident H;sLL REPORTl
PERMANENTS IN:
829 F. C. V.-u McBee
828 Y. L. Chen McRee
819 Waig, y L, McEee
PEKMANENTS OUT ;
712 Jack L, Hombakor P. M,
TRMCIENTS IN :
515 Ja.^.es E. Green R. W,
lj03 Richard Snyder Barker
rzrxTPfi^ I4O9 Edwaed Calderon Barker
Ij.1 Arnold L, Cox Baiicer
ljl5 Alton Herring Barker
117 Virgil F* Carpenter Barker
Ij27 Dan Rhodes Barker
I428 Frank Beadles Bj,rker
129 John W. Borwn P'. M.
502 Don Mead P. M.
503 Claude Bouchillon Barker
50ij Robert Lamed Barker
510 Heniy Firedman Barker
Slit John P O'Coran^r R. W.
520 Marc Mathers Barker
520 R. C. Atcheson W. ii.
52lj Ronald Jorjison W. B,
525 W. E. Curable R. tf.
526 J. R. Cantrell W. B.
528 John B. Dickson Barker
529 John N. Theall Barker
606 W. H. Jobe Barker
607 L, H, Whitmeire Barker
611 Ralph H, Cobb Barker
616 Don Sli^ycard Barker
619 Allen Shetland W. B.
609 V/illian Johnston Barker
620 Robert L, Holmlg W. B.
620 M. E, Dugeon Barker
620 William Mullen W. B.
620 Harry Walker W. B.
621 Kenn Ambum Barker
622 Maurice '-'.Vinger Barker
623 Gilbert Perez W. B,
625 Donald PjGelo W. B.
628 Gene Jaczak Bafcker
629 K.chard Boudreau ' Barker
702 J. L. Hershop . Barker
707 Al Brannon Barker
715 Mkie EcCoraack W. B,
717 Larry Williams ' W. B.
721 Michael Cannody W. B.
723 M. luhara Baiicer
72ii Charles E, Duel! W. B.
811 Peny M Carter W, B.
906 Hugh Bayne . Barker
FRIDAY. OCrOBER I9. I962
TRANCIENTS IN CONT'D :
$08 Giordano Chianittini
913 Felix Ralli
91I4 James R. Slider
921 A, Wlavoord
929 S"m Sixth era ge
1001 L. D. Wil^ersham
1002 Geroge Levasseur
1002 J. E. Coatney
1005 Wesley Seay
1010 Ivan Ridre
1021 Lester A. Hair
1028 J. T. 0' Biem
1029 J. T. Robbins
1105 George Rrad
1213 Loren E. Culler
1215 Earl Stroupe
TRANCIENTS OUT :
1409 Robert Coleman
1410 Howard J. Holland
1^15 Lee Oswald
lil7 Bob Pearce
502 Tommie J. BurShilder
501) R. E. Powell
510 Donlad Ford
515 Milton Delandy
520 Jiirmy Eastwood
520 Edie Kahn
52lj James W. Kncwles
525 San Dutherage
526 Ronald W. Lester
529 Ronmy L. Shafer
■ 606 M. K. Vaughn
607 Lawrence Johnson
611 Ivan T. Ridre, Jr.
616 Joe H, Jackson
707 R. R. Xancy
717 Harold Q. Miller
723 W. E. Miller
72I4 J. A. Sellards
819 M. H. Wang
828 Yl. L. Chen
829 F. C. Wu
908 Leo Bnuckner
926 Richard L. Preble
1010 Rev. N. Barcia
1029 Warren Hovioios
1112 Mel Lauderdale
1215 H. A. Thomspon
R.
W.
W.
B.
W.
B.
W.
B.
w.
B.
w.
3.
Barker
Bijrker
Barker
w.
B.
w.
B.
w.
B.
Barker
P.
M.
W.
B.
W.
B.
P. M.
Barker
MdRee
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
McRee
W. B.
W. B.
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
McR^e
P. M.
P. M.
W. B.
P. M.
P. M.
McRpC
W. B.
W. B.
McRee
McRee
McRee
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
P. M.
W. B.
Commission Exhibit
HuLEN Exhibit No. 15
199
RADIO CALL SHEET
^- Vr-i':i-lB
COHPU<INANT ■ NAME
. *00«CiS . TELtPHONC
NOTM
^
& CISTUiCANCE
20 JOESEsr
7 AaiOENI
8 OIUNK
20A SOiSEir IN P!OS.
21 DOG !1T£ VICT.
1 THEFT
22 ANIIUL COUP. ■
'
f A THEFT iUTO
23 fJUKINC VIO.
V'
'
11 2Ui:CLJll!Y
24 ABAIiOONEO PSOr.
— 1
Y ' wntCKtX OODtBCD
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V^;^'^-'--^
)U euCC. IN III.OG.
12 SUE).; ALitM
i:a audi:le aiaim
13 PSOWUS
14 CUTTIxa
15 MEET OFFICES
U INJ. PEiSON
17 GAHC FIGHT
18 FltE CAU
'!» SHOOII(is~"
24A ABAKDOIIEO CAI
25 ACG. ASSAULT
26 MISSING FEUS.
27 DEAD PESSOH
23 SICK PEaSON
29 LOOSE STOCK
30 PCISONES PICK UP
31 MALICIOUS MISCH.
■ SUSPICIOUS f£«S.
' »A SUSPICIOUS IN (M
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HuLSE Exhibit No. 5135
200
POIJCE DEPARTMENT
CITY Of DAUAS
C
DAILY REPORT O? RADiO CALL?
DATE
TIME
STREET
D
STREET
TYPE
TIME
FIRST
SECOND
DISTRICT
MO.
DAY
Y8
CAll
t.
NUMBER
CALL
cleaiTeo
SQUAD
SQUAD ,
r
11
2 4
3
04 4 2
LANCASTER
N
612
5 016
8 1
10 9
11
2 4
3
165 1
LANCASTER
S
8 29
4 448
1657
85
8 1
1 1
2 4
5
2211
LANCASTER
S
4 435
44 2 8
2242
78
7 7
1 1-
2 4
5
172 3
L A W T H E R
-w
4 829
4459
1953
4 5
4 5
11
2 4
5
155 5
LEMMON OAK LAW
N
44 11
1616
3 5
2 7
1 1
24
3
213 2
LEMMON MANOR
4 447
2248
3 12
32
3 2
1 1
2 4
3
2 2 5 4
LEMMON REAGAN
5 003
2316
3 3
2 7
11
2 4
3
015 2
LEMMON
5 000
4 4 28
200
3 1
3 1
11
2 4
3
00 2 2
LEMMON
5 018
44 16
206
3 2
3 Ij
11
2 4
3
2 32 8
LEONARD
2 102
4 47 2
1 4
113
11 5f
11
2 4
3
015 0,
LIBERTY
8 13
4 4 4 8
209
10 2
113
11
2 4
3
084 1
LINDEN LANE
6 423
4 459
921
4 8
4 9
11
2 4
3
154 3
LI N S L E Y
5 222
448 5
1553
L 18
5 2
1 1
2 4
3
154 3
L 1 N D S L E Y
5 222
4 4 48
1652
111
5 2
11
2 4
3
134 8
L ! P P 1 T T
10 4 3 8
5 03
1420
57
5 7
11
2 4
3
220 9
LIVE OAK
1719
4 4 11
2325
111
10 41
11
2 4
3
000 2
LIVE OAK
2 OQO
5 04
34
2 11
118
10 2;
11
2 4
3
15 0.8
LIVE OAK
5 109
4 4 59
1543
119
5lj
11
2 4
3
113 7
LI VENSHIRE
9 3 4
4 459
1217
68
5 9
11
2 4
3
180 5
LLEWELLYN
N
313
5 03
18 2 3
9 3
9 1
11
24
3
2 2 5 1
LOGAN OAKLAND
4 4 47
1 2
2 4 2
6 1-
11
2 4
3
115 3
LOGAN
2 410
44 6 2
133 1
7 2
7 1.
11
2 4
3
194 5
LOVE FIELD
44 17
1949
3 9
3 2
11
2 4
3
2 14 3
LOVE FIELD
y
44 17
2146
3 9
3 2
11
2 4
3
174 7
LOVEFI ELD
4 4 17
1748
3 9
3 2
11
2 4
3
15 4-8
LOVERS LN
W
5 65 6
4 4 4 8
160 3
2 6
3 3
11
2 4
3
15 2 2
L VE T T
66 2 2
449 5
1631
65
6 o
11
2 4
J>
2 10
L WE RY
2 5 3
4 4 4 8
2019
75
7 b
11
2 4
3
114 4
LUCKEY LN
2 719
4 4 4 8
r2 02
85
76
7 &
11
2 4
3
19 2 4
LUTHER LN
5 94 1
4459
2027
4 8
4 8
11
2 4
J)
1010
M A D X
8 13 1
4 459
1112
68
66
6 S
11
2 4
3
0314
MAIN
14 4
4459
418
102
10 c
1 1
2 4
.?.
112 1
MAIN
2 00
4 4 8 5
1349
r9*'5'7^
118
ro'8"
_9 5_
10 2
11
2 4
3
1 S^i"!
MAIN
»^t
'^2'0"0()
4V7 2
""i"0~'2
11
24
3
09 2 4
MAIN
2 2 6
4 4 28
9 3 6
101
10 2
1 1!2 4
3
135 2
MALDEN LANE
4 6 3 1
4 4 29
14 3 1
8 5
8 c
112 4
3
2 3
M A N A N A
2 35 1
44 17
2129
3 5
3 5
11
2 4
3
000 5
MANOR WAY
3 30 4
4 4 62
39
23
3 2
11
2 4
3
07 5 2
M A N U S
s
6 07
5 3
8 39
85
3 3
11
2 4
^
004 5
M A R Q U 1 T A
6 17 2
44 2 2
126
4 5
4 4
11
2 4
3
09 2
M A R S A L 1 S
N
7 15
4 459
907
9 1
10 9
11
2 4
3
2 10 8
M A R S A L 1 S
N
9 29
4 459
2150
9 1
■9 1
11
2 4
3
150
MARSH N WEST H
W
Y
44 8 1
1549
3 2
3 2
11
2 4
3
2 00 5
MARTINIQUE
8 02
4 4 4 3
2019
5 1
5 4
11
243
02 5 3
MARY DAN
7 636
4 459
4 36
69
6 S
11
24
3
09 2
M A T E U R
2 718
4 4 17
94 3
a 3
8 £
11
2 4
3
Oil 9
M C K I N N E Y
100 1
4 459
150
10 1
10 1
1 1
2 4
3
023 9
M C K 1 N N E Y
10 01
44 11
331
116
10 1
11
2 4
3
162 3
M CK 1 N N E Y
2 403
4 44 8
1638
10 1
11 £
11
2 4
3
005 2
M C K 1 N N E Y
3 030
444 8
200
118
11 £
11
2 4
3
000
M C K 1 N N EY
4 225
4 4 48
16
4 1
4 1
11
24
3
193 5
M C N E A L
3 519
4459
1957
68
3 £
■ ■" 'V^
y.
173 2
MEADOW METROPO
L
1 T A N
4459
1757
63
6 ;
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HuLSE Exhibit No. 5135 — Continued
201
Forai IB-U
IU«. 1-61
LOUISIANA— 19
INTERSTATE REQUEST TOR RECONSIDERATION
OF MONETARY DETERMHATION
BadceTBwMa No. M-R10(M.I
!^?
l!?t;
p\;
^W/IJLO
..f^JJ..^^ Jisy
_^^
^J^Aafc
6. I f«^*c*i recoocMencios (oc che (ollowiaf rcttfooa:
I 1 Eaployn«M in my h%»€ peiiod ftj ooccd bctovj
• , Eai|>lo7«f
S. MoextuT dMtmiutiaa dan .
¥^U^-C3
Addrcaa whi
work perfomcil
Address wb*r«
rscords kepc
Xdcccnuouioa^ 1
,1... ^QO
Addftaa wberc
wofk pcrfofBMd.
Addcvaa ^wfa
record* kept _»_
No. of
^■plaTeea
Qcr. Wa«ea: 19 Uc Q I-
_ 19 2ftdQ$-
Eocef below aay odicr iafocmatioa iHkich taay a|>ply (■) other aM»ea ond«( whicb worked; (b) ocber social avcority
clock B^abcr; (d) cbc enpLoyer'a plant ataUwr; (e) sMae o| the dApar^^M; (f) occopacks:
Baoibera oacd; (A) b«dfe or clock bi
Lf^i^r-tuy
\ i WBA aod MBA iacocrect becuiae _
( 1 Other
7. Tlw ttbove fftcu are tnae to tbe ^
beat of mj ksvwl«afe nd beli*lira
^ , . Till* ftad Dmte of .
g. Docancsu Aa>£kc<l OHV" □ No t . J -
Doc«B«a[^au««c^ed _>^^
H U penMD, eftttf dote fUcd 7* '^ i
9. R«<lne«t filed
U by B«il, CBWf poo^Mdl dft<«
10. Dm L.O. •uatLO' •M.O.L.O. Mkb*;* aad Ho.
Itiaefaaf
Potac Locatka
. tutmp Of eaCK L.O. addnM aad No.
DtViyON OF EMPLOYMENT StCURin
630 CAMP STREET
nm OgLEAHS 12, LQUJSJjya .^
Diacribveioftt Ofi<inU and one eo Ui^lc i
copy to clAkMutt; c«py f«K ftfeat at«t« Ioc*l <
^
HtTNLEY Exhibit No. 1
202
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
203
LOUISIANA-19
Flexible Week
CONTINXnCD INTEBSTATB CLAIM *- ' iww b^.- no
riaimant: Plcair do tux write in ihla box
27
I. NAME:
I Print) (nnt
2 LOCAL
MAILING
ADDRESS:
~ 1 (MMito) (Lut)
3i
ii^.-^
(M. or Itaral RobU)
Louisiana
<Ctt7)
Have you m
ivcd uacc lut iredL?
□ v«
Q Female
4. SSA No
5. Liable Suit
6. Week Ending Dale _
7. Week Emliog Dale
=ra^ p ucx
9^ 2 - /3
B. Actual date daim taken:
^T^TT
9. During the weeS£(s) daiiiied in #9 aod #7 above, did you w<vfc or eara wages ol any kindf PI Yet [/3-HWq
If "yet", htxniih the infcnmatioo below for each day you worked. '^
DATE
EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS
CROSS PAY AMOUNT
Reaaon for leparation tram any employment j^own above: Lade of work PI Other* PI
10. For tlte wcek<c} daiaed in #6 and #7 abo*^ bow miufa did yon
TcceiTe in isaKue in the form oC:
a. Eamingi from adt^m yluyc ae m ?
b. Commiaikm payment^
c. Wages in Ueu of mcioe?
d. Dtsmicaal or levcfmBoe pay?
e. Vacatkm pay?
f. Holiday pay?
g. TifM and grattiidet?
h. Board, or room, or both?
i. Railroad retirement bendti?
j. Sodal Seairity (OA5I)?
k. Poison fmn fonner emptoyen
induding gov ernm ent and armed fotoo?
L Workmen's a«npeniBitioa?
m. Veterans education and trainii^ or
subsidence allowance?
n. Educational Assistance Allowance
under the War Orphans Act 1966?
II. For the weck(t) daiaud above in #6 tod #7:
a. Were yon fully able 10 work? ^^T^*^ D
b. Were you available for work?
c I>id you rtf use any jobs offered you?
d. Did you attend school?
e. Did you work on a bnn?
i. Did you work on a commission basis?
g. Were you sell-employed?
QVe.' 0^
□ Ye.. X^
□ Ve,.
□ Y.^ P^
h. Did you receive, or are you seeking
batata under any other State or
Federal unemployment insurance law? P] Yes*
For any amount entered in # 10, show in # 15 REMAIULS, t^ period ooveied by payment and employer name and addrcM if appUcable.
IS. For uae ol UaUe Sace
12. Use L. O. sump ex enter L. O. Addi«M sad No.
DlViSlOfl C? Ey^lOYUtUT SLCaRlTY
, ... -~ T
6"C - • -
^K
^0^
*-*A.L
■CLAIMS TAKOL tapUa •> fMM DHl. Ikct Itadtaf BcfMI
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 2
204
M During the pcnod covered by this claim, ecplain what you have dotie to find work. List employers, Ubor
niacted-
Type of Work Sought
and (Xher plai
y.. /l — ^
s-^s ^-yj'/ c z,-,-^
.^^12^
I /I'o /^s.y .,^,^
^/?^ /) fu} (-'J^ I na-/^c < ^i' ^?^
^>^yZ -'C-^
15. REMARK5: Give below any additional information on any of iteios 111, particularly iton 10. which requinr further explanati
16. 1 hereby regitter for work and claim unemployment inmraoce benefits. I am uQcmplayed, able to work and available for work, ex
cept aa itaied hereon. I have been infonnnl that I mu&t report ai directed to the State Employment Scrvke office to continue my
rcgistratiun for work and ray claim for benefits. I undenund that the law prescribes penalties for false sutements made for the
purpose of obtaining benefits not due or of incrcasii^ benefits. I hereby certify that uw statcmexits made in connection with this
claim are true to the best of my knowlec^ and bdief. , /
NOTE: Do WH :
17 CUimant— In case of mail claim, obtain agnatore of notary, or ctgnatares and addresMS of two adult
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
'44-731 O— 64— vol. XX 15
205
^ f
■z 7
LOin5XANA-19
Flexible Week
CONTINUED INTERSTATE CLAIM
Claimant: Plcsac do not i
Budc»1 Bor««u No. 44-RlOIM.I
ie ID this box
1. NAME: _:
iPtIWI I
t< MAILING
ADDRESS:
^^
^^-^ /'^'^
0TJI Q] UCFE Q UCX
.- yC^
yiyt' L f'/C^^^/y~ S
(St. or Ruml Rout«>
Loaisiana
: last w«li? [^ Ya Q"^"
Q Female
Liable Sute .
6. Wecli Ending Dale ,
7. Week Ending Date
Si-'^Ia!L,.t.^
^■^'i^
Actual date claim taken:
^^' 7 ' /J
:!>.(s) claimed m #6 and ^7 above, did you work or ear
If "yes", himith the information below for each day
wages of any kind? FH Yc$
ou worked.
EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS
GROSS PAY AMOUNT
Reason for separation from :
1 showc above; Lack ol work V~\ Other* P"!
10. For the weck(s) claimed in #6 and ^7 above, bow much did you
recciTe in inoMne in the fonn o^.
a. Earnings £rom Klf-cmploTment?
b- Commission payments?
c. Wage* in lieu of notice?
d. Dismissal or severance pay?
e. Vacation pay?
f. Holiday pay?
g. Tips and gratuities?
h. Board, or room, or both?
i. Railroad retirement benefits?
, ). Social Security (OASI)?
•^ k. Pension from former employen
including government and armed forces?
1. Workmen's compensation?
m. Veterans education and training or
subsistence allowance?
n. Educational Assistance Allowance
under the War Orphans ka. 19&6?
For any amount entered in #10, show in #15 REMARKS, the period
12. Use L. O. sump or enter L. O. Addrca and No.
OlViiiON Of tMPLOV%U'if 3tCUKfn
, -^0 CAMP STRtT.T
i.iitefctOKLU.NS 12. LOUISIANA
Point Locatioo
13.
11. For the week(s) dilnted Aborc la #6 tnd #7:
a. Were you fully able to work? |P| Yes
y
b. Were you available for work? [Tf Yet
c. Dj(l you rriuse any jobs offered you? ["] Yes*
d. Did you attend school? F"! Yes*
c. Did you work on a farm? Q Yes*
f. Did you work on a coramisaion basis? T~\ Yes*
g. Were you self-employed? V~\ Yes*
h. Did you receive, or arc you seeking
benefits under any _gthcr State or
Federal unemployment insurance law? f"! Yes*
covered by payment and onployer name and address if
For use of liable Sace
□ No.
QNC
0No
ippUcable.
Report every .
•CLAMS TAKIR: bplatai ea Iocb IB-II, lad nwUag R^Mt
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 3
206
H. During th< pcnod covered b> this claim, explain whsf you have liv
cuntactrd
Places Conucted
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aa
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-(^f:> (- Wcx^ UXf fAy f./f^y^-^. fi
77,r /J^-
'^>^3{ /L^-:<U.--J2c r^/Z -s^ jjC:
to tind wnrk List empluytn. labor
Type of Work Soughi
n» and other places
tJ/^^T-,^^ f-r^ />yf, •»,/■,.
y
.^^'^-•7 i^tJtA
//!/c7id^/f'f?/^y c
Rnulti
If yot
Jhavc doit silthiitg. explain i<3iy.
15. REMARKS: Give briow any idditional inforaiauon on any of items 111. particularly item 10. which require furthet cxpUnatia
16. I hereby regiiter for work and claim unemployment injut^nce benefits. I am unemployed, able to work and available for work,
lepi a> iialed hereon. 1 have been infonued thai 1 must report as directed to the State Employmeni Service office to
registralion for work and ray claim for benefits. I understand that the law prescribes ' ' ' '
^ altxcs for false statements made for the
f increasing benehts. 1 hereby certify that Ac sutements made in connection with this
knowledge and belief.
.NOTE: Do ■
. do !
J^
^
CUbtuot'i »l«iwtur»)
.^.^^^.
17. Claimant— In ctte of mail cLairo, obtain ttgnature of notary, or sgpaatures and addi
(1) Signature and address .
(2) Signature and addroB
18. 1 Itereby witncM the signature M this claimant and certify that he hat met the
HUNLEY Exhibit No. 3 — Continued
207
Pom IB- 14
Kr 1-61
LOUISIANA— 19
INTERSTATE REQUEST fiK RECONSIDERATION
OF MONETARY DETERMINATION
Budget Barau No. 44-RI004.r
^/.'^ H. CiSW.^LD
LOCAL
2. MAILING
ADDRESS.
7»'7
M
(C«») rZoaa No.) / (Jl«l.)
6. 1 fcqiKit rccoooiderfttioa foe (be foltowmg teoBoos/ t
! 1 Employmeat to my booe peiiod os ooied b«lo«.w«:
Enploytt n .^ ii ^ .. •• - (_
? SSA
(Bin
4. Liable Sl>H -
] UCFE □ UCX
¥^zU^~6 3
5. Mooctuy decermia*tiaD <iacc .
Addteas wb<
lecofdft kept
1 worked h'
Qtr. Vagcft
19iei^Ut. Q |_Z£_Z T. l9kiiirf^|_2LZ^_r. 19-n5rdQ|
..o„/ ^y7-^
Na
Address where
work peHofmed .
Ad<lres9 where
records kept
No. of
I worked from.
Qtr. Wages: 19 l»c. Q $_
y other toform&tioa wfaicb may apf^y (*) other oaiiics uoder «rtiicb worked; (b> otber social security i
bets used; (^ badge or clock t^ufciber, fd) tbc ecoployet's plant Qumber; (e) DSAe of tbe dipar^eot; (f) occopatioa.
used; (a) badge of clock tiui
r; (e) DSAe of tbediparuaei
^sPU'-l^.t:^ f^-^f^-^ld X
-t-
\ VBA aod MB^
1 Other
7. The aboTC facts are c
best of my knowledge and belli
'.,f^
-4..^
// c^^^^uj-
8. Documents Attacked fE^Ycs □ No
9. Request filed
If by mail, ei
Title aod Date oi
Doc tan eat
date filed
ta Attached y^'
r poscmark dace _
10. i;«e L.O. scamp or enter L.O. addteaa and No.
and leceipc dace .
DIVISION Uf IMPLOyP/itNI StCURITT
y~\\ rikLL^\o li, LOlflsiANA
Disrribuctoa: OtigiiMl add one Co liable iatersb
copy (o claiauuit; copy fat agcDi acace local <
HxJNLEY Exhibit No. 4
208
w^^^r^T^ ^m y ^ ' j^^'if " iiyi vj ^ m ii'^ w - {? dJ MmimmBMM^ii yr'7yr'ryr.
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
209
LOUIS lAi
Flexible Week
f.
CONTINUED DSTKRSTATE CLAIM ^ J
r laimani- PkatT dO IVOt «rr
BudfCI Bureau No
ir in thu bni
1. NAME: .^__
(Prmii (Pint
•i. LOCAL
MAILING
ADDRESS:
"^1 r '> V z?
A-^^ .^^ .^-r'^V
/ re, J /'/f/f>^>i^5 LOU15
Have you mo^rd since last week? PI Yes ["^^Nu
J^lale □ Female
6 Week EiidinK Dale
T Week Ending Dale _
« Aiiual date claim taken:
' 7- z:^ V :3"
^} During ihc wr;\,i) ct;iimcd in )ip6 and #7 above, did you work orc^rn wages of any kiiidr FH \t\ [m No
If •■>«»■'. funiuh ihc inlorrnaiion below (or each dav voii worked.
EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS
GROSS PAY AMOINT
, shown above: I-ifk uf ^
D
D
J Earnings from seU-employment?
b Commission paymenu?
( Wages in lieu o( notice?
k\. Disinissjl or severance pay?
( Holiday pa\>
g lips and gTJtuitin?
h. I\oJrd. or rn..ni. or both?
1, Railroad retirement benefits?
J Social Security (OASI)?
k. Pension fmrn former employen
including govcmmcnt and armed forces?
I Worlonen's compensation?
\\\. Veterans education and training or
subsistence allowance?
n Educaiional Awistance Allowance
under (he War Orphans Act 1956?
II For the weck(s) claimed above in #6 and #7:
a Wtrr suu fullv able to work"
b Were you available for work.'
(■ Did vou refuse am jobs offered
d. Did \ou attend sch.Hil.:
c Did vou work on a farm-'
f Did >ou work on a (oiimussior
g Were ^ou self tmplo\ed?
h. Did vou receive, or are vou seeking
benefits under any other St;
Federal unemployment Insur
ntered in # 10. show in # 15 REMA^
12 L'se 1-. O stamp or enter L. O Address and No.
, the period covered by payment and cmplover i
13. For use of liable Sute
g Ye5
□ No-
Qve,
□ No.
□ Ve,.
0Nu
[JY«-
No
3v«-
□ n„
<■ Ev«-
QN"
□ Yes.
□ -
aw; r] Ye,'
qj^No
and address if
applicable
•CLAIMS TAKER: EipUln on fons IB-ll, raa rui4iil( HqMCt
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 5
210
Plices Conucied
J'J'/A -^^'r r^'A,T(r\
->^ i\^2i^
(>/'A<>er //i'Q:/uC7
^y
C5 f^'"^0/trl
Type ot Work Sough i
,7%r/
y-^r^-y^^-'^
■ /• j^
15. REMARKS: Give below any additional infonnaUQn on any of items 111, particularly item 10, which require further explatutitm.
I hereby register (or work and claim unernplovtiient insutance benefits. 1 am unemployed, able to work and available for work, ex-
cept as siatrtl liercun. 1 h.ive been informed that 1 must report as directed to the State Employment Service office to continue my
rcKislration for work and my claim for benefits. I undei^taod that the law prescribes penalties for false statements made for the
purpose of obtaining benefits not due or of increasing benefits. 1 hereby certify that the sutesnents made in connection with this
claim are tnie to the best of my knowledge and belie^
y^// d^^ .^^Z
CCtelmftDt'a algnatui
17. CUinunt— In oue of mail claim, obuin tignature of notary, or signacuro and addresaes of
(1) Signature and addreia „__ ^
(2) Signature and addren ,
10. I faer^y witnns the tignature of this claimant and crrtify thai hr has mei (i
not related to you.
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 5 — Continued
211
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^.
INTERSTATE CLAIM SUPPLEMENT __^^ « ^l^ n u ,. „ .^ ^
■.^^^ yy. ^^^^^^^^^^.^B^-j-^^^^^X'^f'-^y'
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N..111.- 111.- ..i<iiT.:ili..n« It. whj.h V..U h:iv.- hu.l . \i..ri.ni .■. c Unl Ih.- kin. I ..f w..rk y.iu usuallv .1.. fci
., u„.a ,„ ...,. „ ,.„, ,., ,,.,.K f.., . ^^O 7~0
1. \M,..l i» Th. l..»...i i..y.- ,.I |.^.> >..u wiU ucpl i.nv ■ J^/jTj^ . Wlii.i «..» >..ur w.iK. ..i. .-.iii I..M ;..U- ' /*. ?<f
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if V.-> , Kiv.- .l.u.' >..u !..>!
V. - o^.i • If v.-."-. cvi.laln y.iur .-ictlvlty. » h.ii h.,urs ,,l ih.- .l..y siiH h..w m:,nv'h..ur»
•^ ■ u .l:i> y..u »|.i-li<l .-It It. llf yuu l.l.in 1.. :.ll.-ii.l s.h...,l. tiw n.ii f .».h....l
iin.l .'\|H'Ct.'.t stiirtinR dtit.>
r.nt ..'r c.'.nln.l iin'v farm ^y",
l.iml ..!■ Iiv.-»lu.-k' C"^'-' 0^^"
c .S|„.,i.i .iiij lime ..s ».lf-
. ni|.l..v..l ..r In l.u»in.-.ss ..f y
.my kln.f r*V- S^'" —
.1 Mlrn.l i..-h....l ..r i.k.n ~ -V. . \j!^"
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'fu"Mw.''!'>.l,''!,''t ■.'.no'"''''"' Yi' □•^"
ir .v..-. .still.- ihr rm
... M.-k ..I .ll»..l.iin.v l..-n.-flt»? n"*'-^ iZ*^'"
1. \V..rkn,.-ns .-..n I.-....1.-,, □ -Ws B^'..
. A |..n»l..n' C'Vcs fi^N"
.1 S..,l..l S.,.„-uv --v.- D^-..
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If v.-s
If Ve,.
I .-, rlify lh:.t ih.- f..r.-|{..inK iin.s
Xy
i-iir>- l.ii- th«"ni if y..u find wi.rk'
ul correct to Ihe li.-..t ..f my kn.iwledg
^^
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■I.AI.MA.SI 1«' .MiT WKITK JihM.llW THIS 1,1X1-: —
''■■ 1...i-.,f 'iff(iM"AJif»L"'fl'»fl)«Jttfl|.
Keasun .ir IB-9 l-...le
HuNLET Exhibit No. 6
212
KAi*T K1M>IN<; HKl't
KIMASV IK) N(tT WltlTK t).\' THIS SIMK
11.-U of IH-ll wh.-n riitrtfft i.n t>i.- otht-
1 certify ihrtt Ih*' ftlMiv^ U iriu- iind cnn>ct lo Ihf b*-*! K>t my knoWlH<1|{«>.
OlalmantR Si^iiaturv
U*. KXAMlNKft'H STATKMK.N'T »i>*>«crlbf liK-al iRtxjr market ctmditionn retatinr to the claimant's LK:c-uptition ami vftiKf d«mund.
i'omment un utl t^ntrie^ im the ulhtr MUte of this frwm which affect claimant's reemployment or reriuJr^ ctarlflcation. AUu cvaiu-
Hte Ktiilfmfnt in llt-nt 11, if any.j
X^ /L-^ ^/^.^a^ti^
ET
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 6 — Continued
213
LOUISlANA-19
Flexible Week
CONTINUED INTER8TA1E CLAIM
Z. LOCAL
MAILING
ADDRESS:
V<-V. /v-> /) j^ .
/Jtr-.-C c'H/C>Ai
\m. or Kami Bant)
Louisiana
Have you moved since lut week? pi Yes
[^Male Q Female
9. During the weck(s) claimed in #6 and #7 above, did you wort or cam wages of any Und/ r~|
U "yes", furnish (he information below {or each day you worked.
OftimaBC name *
aM wiiu la ihb hn
«. SSA No. / -^ -^
5. IJable Stale ^-'' "*
3'/
□ ucx
-^'l
fi. W«»t Ending Date
7. Week Ending Date
^^ z^-
i.5
^■/s-
/ 3
Ve. ^No
DATE
EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS | GROSS PAY AMOUNT
1
1
i
/
/
Reason for separation from ;
t shown above: IjKk of work
Other*
D
to. For the week<i) claimed in .#6 and #7 above, how much
receive in income in the form of:
a. Eartiingi {n>m aeU-empkiyincnt?
b. Commisaton paymenta?
c. Wages in lieu of notice?
d. Dismissal or severance pay?
e. Vacauon pay?
f. Holiday pay?
g. Tips and gratuities?
h Board, or ro-ira, or both?
i. Railroad retirement benefits?
j. Social Security (OASI)?
k. Pension from former cmployen
including government ajsd armed ftntcs?
1. Workmen's compensation?
m. Veterans education and training or
subsistence allowance?
n. Educational Assisunce Allowance
under the War Orphans K<x 1»6?
For any amount entered in #10. show In #1! REMARKS, the period
12. Use L. O. stamp or enter L. O. Addnn and No.
IS.
II. For the week(i) cUlowl above In ^< aod ^1;/
a. Were you tuUy able to work? ^ Yet
b. Were you available ft>r vt»rk? ]// Yes
c. Did you rcluae any joba offered you? Q] Yes*
d. Did you attend achool? Q Yei*
e. Did you work on a tarm? [~] Yea*
f. Did you work on a commiiiioo basis? P] Yea*
g. Were you self-employed? (^ Ye»*
h. Did you receive, or are you seeking
bei>efiu under any other Sute or
Federal unemployment inaurmnoe law? PH Yci*
covered by payment and employer xasat vaA addma if
For uae o{ Uabto Sttle
□ No*
□ No*
[2No
t^^kmblc
ly^
Report every ,
•OjIDU TAKEKi Bi|Mb m Wtm IB4I. tta. llaiBt Eifwt
HuNLEY Exhibit No. 7
214
M OutiRK thr peritxi covered b> (his cUim, explain what you tuvc dofir to lind work Liit cmpkiyrrs, Ubor
?J0S- -U. ry- .: ■ //^ . ■^^^>y ^/ /y^/^<'^J^r^/A\ .. -^
^Y^
^
PUc« Cunucicd
^'
^^ Cxf^/
iy,^<.i£/C fid J/'tty
'S2/:^ jML ^^^^ l^L.
Type of Woik Sought
/ M>/:- .^ /e^
t-'^' '^''■^Z^.-
^MA.
--■- A-
£jMJjIM^^ ^""^^1 %
^^■/Cy M^/^
'fijff'c /
13 RKMARKS: Give below any addluooat inforraauun yn any oi ilcps ru, p«rticuJar)y item 10. whicfa require forth
forther expbiiution.
1^
■w yt^jt-LX-
<r'/i^-% X
^
^^^/>- ^ y -- /'jr ^/?7.
16 I hcrrbv regixrr (or work and claim unnT)plc»in«ni iniurance benefits. I am unemployed, able to work and ftvaiUble for wort, ex
ie(>i as Btaicd hereon I h^ve been infomoKl fha{ I must report as dirrcted to the State EmployiDeni Serrice officr to omttnue my
rrxiitraimn for wcirk and my claim for bencfitv I underhand that the law pmcribet penalties for fcU»e atatements made for the
putf)i.*e of obtaining bencfiis iiot due or of increasing bencftts. I hereby certify that tne tfatementi made in connection with thi»
tljitn arc true lo the best of my knowledge and beliel. ^
A
/
A ^'r / /^ .^^-f-t^/^
i; CUimani-ln case of mati claim, obtain signarure of nocaiy, kx signatures and addrencs of two aduh witncwa not related to you.
tl) Signature and addreai .. . . ■.,,
i2) Signature and addren
18. 1 hereby wtuie« the lignaiure of thij claimant and certify that he has m«t the^t^ia^^Hb^acuytcportiog reqi
GMnm tafear'* maatn*)
7
HUNLEY Exhibit No. 7 — Continued
215
W-25 <R«v. l/10/Sl)-U0OM.80«071(61)
HISTORY SHEET
t-^-UCQ I'r
o^ rtj-
a ,_ ^ , THE CITY OF NEW YOR
"^ yVN'^V-nw -faS^a < S DEPARTMENT OF WELFA
CASE NAME
I^e 'Oswald
i-'V-- -i4-
"inios ''quare ^tel
BASIC CASE r
PAGE NO.
6/13/62
6/14/62
6/26/62
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Mr. Oswald and hl« wife are t8 a repatriation oa-^e whose fare to
the '^nited taten from *SjBBla -was paid for by our State "epartsient.
"^h^f arrived on the S, S, iifeandoni on 6/13/62. ^hey had $63 upon
their arrlml. lioy were brought to our office vtpon their arrival
by a -nortcer from rayelers-'^id . '^hey were referred overnight to
the ima.i Square Hotel and iir. 0-wald returned to our of ioe the
following morning.
Before leaving our office on 6/l3, a long di«tarc.e call wa- o^aoi^ to ^
o"ilert'» brother, obert ^R-^id, 7313 davenport \., ^t. Wroth, ^exa'.
^r. *^>»wqld informed u" thn t he would taVe out a moytgago on hi* oar
for »200 and ^end thi" money to. un the f ©''lowing day.
On 6/"'4, client wap neen in thl» office, ard at fir-t balked at
using the money sent by hi«' brother, ^e preferred that this money
be returned to hi« brothar, and that we advance the nxsnsy for trans-
portation expenses, and he would repay u" when he is able. 6
•k^rtSS'wt*!* i%a interview of administrator on 6/14/62)
•^•fter client agreed to una his brother's money for his fare, "ve went
to the office manager and pdoked up the money order received nAde
out to ^e Oswald.
We escorted ^r, O^^^ia to the "^entern ^^nion offioe 428 ^roadway,
who issued *150 and gave client a check made out for *50, to be
cashed at the Ist national baWc on "roadway and ^nal. ''e then
escorted client to the i«t National Bank, where after fir-t being
told that they eould not cash the oheolc eventually agreed at the
bank ndnager' 8 insistence that they could cash it. Client was
issued $50.
^orker then wont with client to the ^est ide '^irl ine- 'terminal and
boruRht two tickets previously reserved for flight 821, ^lt« •'^irlinew,
to ^t. ^roth '^e'lss. ^s were informed that ?he plane would land in
Dallas, which is right next to ^t. Worth.
^©rker and client then Tient to ^imes Square Hote"" -^bbre client
paid his bill, went to his roca to pick up hi-^ wife and baggage and
infant, and mat worker in the lob'Ky. ■^ this point he had 5 pieces
of luggage. orker, who ^H^ had seen client with 7 p44oos the
day before, asked o'^iert what had happened to the other two pieces,
had ho informed us that he had sent them on ahead, railway express.
W© helped client and his fauiily and hi" baggage to the street -jrhere
wo took a taxi to the SSAL^ and checked ciisit's luggage and then
escorted oloiit to the ^e^ta Airlines building at Idl'swild, remaining
with '^. "swald until he boarded his plane at 4si5 P-1. orker then
returned to ^wr ^o^k itjr.
On this date a sumiAry was preapred to be sent to tato ^o partaenrt
of Social elflire. ■*■ memo t*s submitted to i^sd. Aud . requesting
reimbxjTsemflnt for *3.50 inc. expenses expended on this ca^e by
worker who e« oorted olient to the airport.
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
216
VV-2S (Rev. I/IO/S1)-1200M-808071(61) ^^^ 114
HISTORY SHEET
THE CITY OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE
6/27/62
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'fo raoonasnd thatihln oa«e be olowad, client vrtin transported to
hi* home on 6/14/62. /
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
217
\Vi5.(RtV 1/10/S1)-1200M 808071(61)
HISTORY SHEET
THE CITY OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE
' CASE NAME
ADDRESS
BACIC CASE NUMBER
OSWALD, Leo
PAGE NO.
6/14/62
In accordance with Kr. Oswald's request to see the Administrator, he was
interviewed in the reception rocm,
Kx. Oswald urgently requested that the $200 sent here by his brother for
his transportation expenses be returned to his brother. He stated that
his brother is a dairy delivoryman and that it had been a great hardship
upon his brother to advance the money.
h'x, OswaM said that he telephoned his brother this morning and was
informed by his brother, Robert, that the money was raised by placing
a mortgage on the car. I-j. Lee Oswald said his brother would be obligated
to make an immediate repayment of this loeui. I-j:. Oswald would prefer
that the $200 be returned to the brother, that we advance the noney for
the transportation expenses, and he would then repay us when he v;as able.
1-lr. Oswald said that his brother had told him that the family would meet
him on arrival and that local newspapermen would also meet him as they
had been informed of his return home. Kir. Osv/ald said that he anticipated
that he would have difficulty in obtaining employment in a large organiza-
tion, pe was most concerned about the possibility that he might need to
apply for some public assistance prior to obtaining employment because
he sponsored his wife's entry and he wanted to avoid her having any
difficulties with the Inmigration Department.
to, Oowald spent three years in the I-'-arines, was stationed in Japan and
the Phillipinea, and said that he received an honorable discharge.
Mr. Oswald was so anxious that he not use the money sent by his brother
that he stated he was considering returning the money aiid using the simII
portion of his own funds remaining to carry the family as far as these
monies would permit, and then requesting the local authorities to transport
him the balance of the way to Texas, l/e discussed with Mr, Oswald that
that would be poor planning on his part, that it was urgent that he reach
his destination in Texas for the benefit of his family group, that any
locality in which he stopped off might contact us and that it would be
obligatory for us to report about the fact he had the funds available to
him here for bis return to Texas.
In view of Kir. Oswald's extreme anxiety to not use the money sent him by bis
brother, we telephoned i-iiss ^lliott of the ^tate Department and informed
her of Kp. Oswald's request.
I-iiss ■'''lliott told us that she would discuss the matter with .the Kew York
City office of the Department of Health, Education and "'elfare and call
back.
She called back later and requested additional information regarding the
man's relatives. She was informed that to. Oswald has told us that Robert
is his only full sibling. H e ha g nr*" hni-p-hrr.-t;)^Q-r,Mhr> is a serg eant
stat ioned in Japan, w ho "has" a wife tmd two children. His only other
^relative is his widowed mother who has no home establishment of her own
and who makes her home with the persons for whom she works, moving from
job to Job as a practical nurse for elderly patients,
^^f^i^ II m ill I I II . 1 1 . ni l 1 1 . 1. II . ».■ J ii .i» I i . i u . .» ..p. . .».f III. . .! -. '■-- V
ClElilIriii I'ifi' .III. I II I- 1
i~ Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 ~"
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
218
W-iS (RcT. 1/10/S1)-UOOM-80807I(61> .^^.114
HISTORY SHEET
THE CITY OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE
CAGE NAMB
BASIC CAGE NUMBER
6/li)/62 (contd.) 1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
>19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
,34
'35
36
37
38
39
■ 40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
so'
51
52
53
54
55
We gave Miss Elliott the information regard ine the flight and departure
time .and arrival time in Texas, obtained from the Unit.
KiSs Elliott said that the Health, '^ducation and Welfare office is v/iring
ahead to the local public assistance agency informing them that should
Mr. Oswald apply for assistance any funds expended in his care are
federally reimbursable under the Repatriation Program, Any assistance ex-
tended will not create difficulties for his wife with the Innigration
authorities.
It will be necessary for I-lr. Oswald to use his brother's funds for his
return' transportation.
This information was ahared'with Mr. Oswald, He was not completely
satisfied with the decision but accepted it and accepted the fact that
at this point the wisest course he could pursue was to prepare hliiself
and his family for the return flight today,
cJ^atyT Ruscoll, •Administrator
/m!LJ!!:';'"ja.!W"
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
219
PATFi h<i\">^
Form W-900'-80M-824118(59) ^/rjT}. 114
ReT. 12/1/56
THE CITY OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE
APPLICATION FOR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE
OR
REQUEST FOR CARE
TYPE OF ASSISTANCEi
' \b' ad ADC OAA HR VA HOSP PHC
lE'nnnnnnn
k.->
CASE NO.
SSUEDi
ADC
D
ELIGIBILITY PAMPHLET(S)
AB AD
D D
CROSS REFERENCES!
Name Case Number
OAA HR
APPLICANTi
V-<=i <&*-
Other family names or spelling used:
Last Name
Flm and Middle Names
ADDRESS:
Street and Number
Apt Floor Borough
Postal Zone
DO NOT WRITE ABOVE THIS LINE
I. FAMILY GROUP IN HOUSEHOLD: List single children in order of age beginning with the eldest, married children and their
husbands or wives and other relatives living in household:
NAME (First and Middle)
(Last Name if Different from Family Name)
DATE OF
BIRTH
(Mo-Day-Yr)
PLACE OF
BIRTH
REU-
GION
RELATIONSHIP
(To Whom)
SOCIAL SECURITY
NUMBER
Man \__ <r-
■k\
'^\\^|""^V
U
Woman \\\ Cv T V ^i^ c^ Maiden Name
itnk-i
^^^c"^Sl^
Children and relatives:
1. 3">OtV\<K_
MnlG-2 , M
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
IL
VL
13.
14.
~* Isaacs Elxhibit No. 1 ""
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
220
II. I am applying for public assistance or care becausei
III. We declare that we own or have owned the following assets: (Check either "yes" or "no" in every item.)
Yes
No
No
Life Insurance ...
Any Other Insurance
Real Property - - - •
Mortgages — Mortgage Certificates
Lease on Real Property
Bank Account or Cash
Safe Deposit Box ...
Stocks or Bonds ...
Interest in Estates
Automobile or Truck -
Union Membership -
Lodge Membership •
Judgments — Claims — Law:
Pensions or Allotments
Business Interest
Other Assets
We further declare that we have or have had any income from the following: (Check either "yes" or "no" in every item.)
Yes No Yes No
Employment .....
Relatives and Friends (cash or kind) -
Lodger
Boarder --..-•
Boarder-Lodger ....
Veteran Benefits ....
State Sickness Disability Benefits -
Have you transferred or assigned property in order to qualify for Public Assistance?
Court Orders ....
Social Security Benefits
Unemployment Insurance Benefits
Railroad Retirement Benefits
Railroad Unemployment Benefits
. Workmen's Compensation -
Other
We will give all required informafiort to the represenfatives of the Department of Welfare relating to our financial circum-
stances such as earnings and other income and resources, as well as information concerning our relatives and tfieir ability to
assist us.
We will inform the representatives of the Department of any changes in our needs and resources which occur following
this application. We authorize the Department of Welfare to institute any investigation to verify statements made by us, pertain-
ing to resources of any member of the family, including information concerning OASI benefits and age.*
"Any person who by means of a false statement or representation, or by deliberate concealment of any material fact, or by Impersonation or other fraudu-
lent device, obtains or attempts to obtain, or aids or abets any person to obtain public assistance or care to which he Is not entitled, or a larger amount thereof than
that to which he is Justly entitled, or does any wilful act designed to Interfere with the proper administration of public assistance and care, shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor, unless such act constitutes a violation of a provision of the penal law of the Sule of New York, In which case he shall be punished In accordance
with the penalUes fixed by such law." (L.1950, c.293, eff. March 30, 1950.)
WITNESS
(Where signature is by mark "X", it should
be witnessed)
SIGNATURE OF APPLICANT
(Family members 18 years of age" and over who are
'household must also sign)
'ipo/fn liousehold mus
* First person singular understood throughout
where only one person signs.
•— Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
744-731 O— 64— vol. XX-
16
221
W-901A' ReT. J/23/S9
soM.«..jno36(60).^>ii4 THE CITY OF NEW YORK
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE
INTAKE INTERVIEW
I. Welfare Center Date of First I nterview
Case Name O^^^V-'^VrV \-^^r^-. Address "^T*. tU<: S ^>'. W. (,,' ^ U. ^->- V
Person(s) Interviewed \U vT ■ O S^C CI' Vf^'
II. ^^
Referred by: | | Self \£A Other fjpec(fy;__X_01.^2
I I Cfieck box, if First Application. Reason for Last N.A, Closing or Rejections.
III. REASON FOR APPLICATION (Record information supplementary to that in Section II of the Application for Public Aisisiance
or Requestfor Care.) ^S^ ^ ^ ,^^^^^^^^_Jl_ U_._ IoljC ^ to cJI-<-w*J2]^_.^ b ^ .
^V^<^- \s^^^^-^. -frrrx^ Vi^LiA-^^/ (Lo iS^cJ^ n: [[u^i^^^.s ^
IV. AaiON TAKEN
I I Rejected Date I I Written Notification given to Applicant I I Mailed
I I Deferred Date Date(s) of Subsequent Scfieduled Interview(s) .
Lij Accepted for Field Investigaflon-kiLSikl^ate.
-- T^l Regular I I Urgent 1^1 Emergency
Reason for "Action Taken"i
Budget computed on Family Budget Work Sheet and Enclosed I I Yet I I No
Has Investigation Process Been Explained to Applicant? I ^1 Yes I I No If "No", Explains
Eligibility Pamphlet Issued by Appointment Interviewer | | Intake Interviewer
Copy of Instructions to Applicants Issued. I I Yes | | No '^
Signature of Intake Interviewer
V. INFORMATION FOR INVESTIGATOR (Applicant's Absence from Home on a Specific Date and Reason; Any Special Directions
Needed to Contact Applicant in His Home; efc.^
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
222
VI. FOR WHOM APPLICATION IS BEING MADE (Record the name of the eligible payee and his dependents for each type of
public assistance and check the appropriate box on the same line.)
NAME
-..^ TYPE OF ASSISTANCE
AB AD ADC OAA HR VA
Va V • -^ u^-<^ c -^ .
D s '^^3cxJ<ie^,(>
Q/D D D D D
Ar 0-\.v_^__
e.^0
D D n D n D
D D D □ D D
D D D D D D
Remarks (Record here any pertinent information about members of the applicant group, not otherwise provided for in this form.
Include school attendance of all children and information about the identity of unrelated children.)
VII. OTHERS IN HOUSEHOLD (For those members of the household not included in the application for this public assistance
grant. Record the name of the individual or that person in the family group with the closest degree of relationship and the
family composition.)
Full Name
Relationship
Status in
Household
rcode;
Assistance Status
Case Number
(Surname First)
Code
To Whom
NR PA
(If Applicable)
'^'^ A .- ^
D D
D D
D D
D D
'Remarks (Record pertinent information about others in household.)
ez
zs^
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
Codes:
Relationship
H - Husband
F -Falher
A -Aunt
C - Cousin Prefixes
W-Wife
M - Mother
U -Uncle
UR-Unrelatnl G -Grand
S -Son
B -Brother
N -Nephew
St -Step
D - Daughter
Sr- Sister
Ne- Niece
L -In-law
Suius in H.H.
L - Lodger
B - Boarder
BL - Boarder-Lodger
-Other
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
223
jOMkU-S11036(60) m^^IM
VIII. HOUSING DATA AND LIVING ARRANGEMENTS
Apartment, Room or Floor No.
No. and Location
of Available Phone
Living Arrangements
(Specify from list}
Landlord's Name
Address and
Telephone No.
Name of Person to Whom
Applicant Pays Rent
Address and
Telephone Noi
Related to Applicant
(Specify)
Superintendent's Duties Perfonmd
by Applicant (Check Box)
Yes 1 1 No 1 1
Public Housing {Q\Kk Box]
Low r~~I Moderate 1 1
Cost Cost L
Rent or Shelter Allowance-
Amount and Period
Rent Includes (Code)
Number of Rooms
Type of Refrigeration (specify
Mechanical, Icebox or Other)
Private Toilet (Check Box)
Yej LJ No 1 1
Laundry Facilities (Check Box)
W..M^ L: R '^'"' NO g
Unheated, type and
number of stoves
Without Gas, (Specify
Facliit'es Used)
Rent Control Clearance (Check Box)
Required 1 1 Not Required 1 1
(Record "None", if if h known thaf a facility
does not exist or if the word "none" is other-
wise the appropriate recording. Draw a line
through the space if a particular Hem is not
applicable. Leave the space blank if the
information is not known.)
LIVING ARRANGEMENTS
Apartment
Boarding Arrangement
Boarding Home
Commercial Lodging House
Furnished Room(s)
Houl
Nursing Home
Private House
Private Home for Adulti
Private Home for Aged
Private Institution for Blind
Public Home
Public Home Infirmary
Residence Club for Blind
If Other, specify
CODES FOR "RENT INCLUDES"
C F - Cooking Facilities
G-Gas
CU-Cooking Utensils
H - Heat
D - Dishes
L - Linens
E - Electricity
R - Refrigeration
F- Furniture
W- Hot Water
Remarks (Use this space for the recording of verification of rent, if presented or secured during the Intake Interview, collaterals on
housing made by the Intake Interviewer and any other pertinent housing information.)
r V. V-A^ V^<?»i-aw li. V— 1
cJ^
\ *- u.-
^0'CCr;-/v^
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
224
IX. MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT (Includo past and present maintenance, any change in the tiluaiion precipitating
the nsed for this apolicalion and any immediate problem with which the applicant is faced.)
O o* C£ji_ ^^-^^^^tJ^Z^ is*^-<n02-<Ip jC^OCU-Otr yrX~zrAy^ t'0^(.U."it_
^ 1 o L-, - -P^^ ■- ■ - ■<-l
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
225
W-901A' Rct. 3/23/59
50M Kti-S11036(60)
X. CATEGORICAL REQUIREMENTS (Record information about and documonlalion for categorical requirements, such as age,
marriage and termination of marriage, relationship of essential relative. Include deaif) of legally reiponsible relatives. Record
all information contained In documents relating to obovaj
U&
>SL'
«^<S-<^'-
If ADC and appropriate, check as requiredt
I I Applicant Advised of Need to Notify Law Enforcement Official oi Soon as Grant Made
I I Applicant Willing to Cooperate
Applicant Unwilling to Cooperate
I I Form M-982b Forwarded to Statistical Unit
XI. RESIDENCE (List at least sufficient residence to determine Local or State Cftarga status. List separately only those persons
requiring different residence verification.^
Full Nome
(Surname First)
Address
From
THJ
To
V~ cxrij^e, •v^CA~lV V -^ V-^
tUc tf-LU-<-. <-~c-ir (\
1%^ L.
'i-i^
Remarks (Record supplementary informatiort and verHieation, if obtained.)
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
226
VII EMPLOYMENT— PAST AND PRESENT (Record employment of each member of f/ie applicant group. Record chronologically,
moil raconi omploymont hit. When an item is not known, leave the space blank. When a space is not applicable, draw a
horltonlul lino, o.g. when omploymont has not terminated, draw a horizontal line in the column "Date Job Ended".)
\i^lLo<il's Noma
Nome and Address of Employer
Occupation
Full or
Part
Time
Gross
Wages
Date Job
Began
Mo. Yr.
Date Job
Ended
Mo. Yr.
Remarks (Record supplementar/ iitformation and vwificaiion, if obtained.)
— Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
227
W-901A* Hev. 3/23/59
50MkU-51 1036(60)
XIII. EMPLOYASIUVf AND AVAILABILITY (for each unemployed person 16 years of age or over.;
A. Employable and Available (Record the names of those members of the applicant household who are employable and
available, their training and skills, efforts to obtain work, union membership. Indicate whether or not referred to Employ'
ment Services, If not referred, give reason.)
B. Unemployable (Record the names of those unemploycAle and reason.)
C Unavailable (Record the names of those unayailable for employment and reason.)
XIV. BENEFITS AND OTHER INCOAAE (Record information about benefits, past, present or potential and other income exclusive o
thai from employment.)
SffiSS^^SS^
^S2k
IseULCs Exhibit No. 1
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
228
W ASSETS (Check the approprlato box fo indicale v/helher there has been a referral to Iho Resource Consullanl. When the
^•,^i''lkjnt has checked "no" on every item under Assets on the Application for Public Assistance or Request for Care and has
ri'iferoJed verbally the non-existence of such assets, past or present, record this information. When there is a contradiction
between the applicant's statement on the Application for Public Assistance or Request for Care and the statement to the
Intol^a Interviewer with respect to the possession of assets, past or present, explain.)
Referred to Resource Consultant
Dve. □
No
XVI. RELATIVES NOT IN HOUSEHOLD
Full Nome of Relative
Address
Relationship to Whom
Contributions
Present Past
Vlo\^^ ^t 05.W.6.\d
7'6\3 'D^Oc-a^,,
ii^C^ {L(
D D
D D
n D
D D
D D
D n
D D
D D
1— 1 [—1
D n
D D
n n
"' iV
n D
— ■ Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
D n
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
229
W-901A' Rev. 3/23/59
50M ■etfSn036(60) .«^;^.114
XVI. RELATIVES, cont. (Record here all ofher pertinent Information about relatives and friends.)
230
,v»'i . yv.^*i.>^*w-*«c?usis«*,i<**a^
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
XVII. HEALTH (Record Information about problomt related to the health of any member of the applicant group.)
XVIII. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION (Record such information pertinent to need or eligibHity and to an understanding of the
applicant's situation not recorded elsewhere. Also record results of supervisory or consultant conferences as necessary.)
am*t''Lit''-P'p''»"WBw....www.iij..ii.»»'n.i..^
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — .
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
231
RESOURCE SUMMARY
'«partm«ni of W«lfo
Bureau of R«sourco
nd L*goI S«fvic«s
t^jN^ ^
Man's First Name
Woman's First Name
Osu^^^Vd}
L<
Others (in household)
M>3(4.-1_
"SScaoCl
No. in
Family
Health
G>nditia
Aga Varificotion
for All over Ag» 65
LIFE INSURANCE:
Company Policy No
Kind of
Policy
Foe.
Volu*
Ag.
Stotod
Policy Amount
Data
Paid
Fothar
Mother Li
Son Lo
ate. Wai
-^
0>vj2^
UNION BENEFITS:
» Entered
Book
Official No
of Union
Date of
Last Payment
Nome and Address
of Local Secretory
t[
Date of
Initiotioi
'lame and Address
>f Last Employer
^fK^
Periods of
Employment
Badge or
Identification No.
Reason for Loss
>f Lost Employment
GROUP INSURANCE:
Group
No.
Name of Employer or Union
It Appeors on Group Policy
FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS:
Nome of Orgonizotion
nd Address of Secretary
Dote of Lost Payment
^^^4^
s:
Nome of Member
Isaacs Exhibit No. 2
Isaacs Exhibit No. 2
232
REAL PROPERTY, MORTGAGES, MORTGAGE CERTIFICATES, LEASES, ETC.i
Nomo of Owner Address and Nature of Property
Boro
Lot Block
No. No.
Section
No.
•-^j
RdV^
BANK ACCOUNTS: '
Nome of Bonk Address
Boro
Account No.
r'
LEGAL ACTIONS (give complete information) 1
DESCRIPTION OF ALL OTHER ASSETS NOT PREVIOUSLY LISTED (e.g. ijterest and estates,
tickets, jewelry, and other valuable personal property) 1
stocks.
bonds, chattel mortgages.
paum
PERIODS OF ASSISTANCE /
statementXnd authorization
The obove is a true statement of the finonciol resources of myself and members of my fomily. I understand that I must notify
the Department of Welfare of any changes in these resources, or of any future acquisition of resources by myself or members of
my fomily. The Department of Welfare is hereby authorized to conduct ony investigation which may be necessary in connection
with our resources. The Department is also authorized to give banks, insurance companies, and other agencies such information
OS may be necessary in order to verify resources or to obtain payment of cloims/toynyself, my heirs or assigns, or to the Depart-
ment of Welfare. /] //y /\ ytl /
f3/6 2-
Signed
Dote.
Witnessed;
"^ <^ . \^^SLSl<^^^s>.^^ ;l<>c .^WV
RESOURCE ANALYSIS AND PLAN OF ACTION
Isaacs Exhibit No. 2 — Continuedi
233
fo M'c^^Cr
Departsent of Social Welfare
Area 6 (Ne« York City Office)
., MEMORANDUM
\j^ / tor. NY(^8 (</'7)
/ Mrs. Janet Ruscoll, Admin. Supvr. Date*
V*^ Special Services Welfare Center * June 14, 1962
n.^ Subject: Repatriation from U.S.S.R.
'^j •* OSWALD, Lee and family Conalstins
Senior Welfare Consultant of wife and four months infant
Thank you for bringing the above repatriation case to our attention in your telephone
call of June 13, 1962 to the effect that Miss Norman of the Travelers Aid Society
had referred the family to you for possible assistance and possible removal to Texas,
This will confirm the subsequent information we relayed to you by telephone the same
afternoon ;following our clearance with the regional office of the U. S. Department
of Health, Education and Welfare. Miss Choda of that office was dale to advise us
that the Oswald family was expected on June 13 from Russia via Rotterdam on the
SS Maasdan of the Holland American line. We understand Mr. Oswald had been in the
U.S.S.R. for the last two and one-half years and that his wife is Russian. _The
f amilyj_J^ ^PY. -^s£<^ help, will be eligible under the repatriation^ program according
jtojbhe_info^i5atipn_£iv©nja8i The~family~was considered destitute although they had
paid part of their passage hosM, but may need help in going to Texas if the relatives
are unable to pay passage. The address for Mr, Oswald's mother, Mrs. Margurette
Oswald, is Box 473, 316 East Donnell, Crowell, Texas, She is said to be interested
but the extent of her help and interest is unknown. There are some brothers living
in the same town.
P.S. Since the above was dictated, we understand that a brother, Robert,
7313 Davenport, Fort Worth, Texas, forwarded $200 (to supplement the
$60 Mr. had on arrival) and that the family left for Fort Worth on
Delta Flight #821 on 6A4/62.
WMm
'io^
•";■-■■
Isaacs Exhibit No. 3
234
OCFEacaCE SL I r
mriii. ro» ccrmNrr
aCNAflls M AOOITiaHAL IIOUTUC
yY\._^,ijU. -aAl^ t'^^'^o-^ >i^ajir
-<t-u-/^^-*i ^
lin^
±&yj-
trslassT I2SCC9
r^.A^/^
Ls3 C-rvcT' O^.ald. Is <Io:^JtJi
ciuuuto? ITsst poach a'sxA ad r:;»r^ dcto, poacji lacolco
cd roZIstntlcn nrTirr. '
I
ar E=la5=7«a Infoiritlca Onlyi If Oi^all Iniicts oa re j-dcIdc
ns dtJicaiMp Sostloa 1S55 E-viccd Stciatca p-adudjs Eiibi:57
Irit . >rin1rt1n s rlcht ia ca rc;crJlc33 c;_t;.a his oypllcatloi pcsdlzj
SsTlct C» vvi;i.:nT ,t <icd flneil octloa tea retrain Q~za.
r '
Pl/FZA-lSO-OmnOd, Loa Ssxv^
Clccr=c:;i E :CV.7. JcaM
In ssbitcaco p.j:jlir=ccd l^y tolcpb=o
COTTD— TTTBT.
p?:iJohn I. iiato
James Exhibit No. 1
235
XZ-/2. (Z) XUL^^
' . .: ; . '^'- • ■ 0F7ICIAL USE OUVt ■ T'-' .^ '.. .^ r''\ ■:''-"■ Y-'-t:-:^
.'■'■..■• v":; a7 • Robert la'OWon .' -.^ .." "].■ •' -j^ ■ i.-;*-
..■-■; • ■ _ , ■ \ ■• • " . ■. , . ■■^. '■••- ■; ■-, •• ; ■•■ •!;:■;■■. ■'; ; ,■> .' •
Iv- *.•_.-.- . •-- operation of Sanctions tnjcsed ty Section 2U3(b) o* tha T
■ Sosiigration ssd Nationality Act In Caso of liro» Karlna H« Oswald - .
.!;.•.;• It hna coza to the attention of SOV that In cnprovinrr tho - '. ; .,
;•'■*■ .petition jyantin? Vjtc, Karina tl, Oo^nld nor.-r,-aoti status ttto " ' •'• :'.' '.. ■•
•■- -■ ■ San Antonio Dictrlct Offico of III3 did not includo a vaivcr of • ;..
■,;. ' tho sanction against tho issuance of tho vion Irposod "by ■ V ,; , ' ' . •.
."" ' ' Section 2U3Cr) ot ths Irminration end Kationallty Act. It would, ' *. '
•. therefore, bo noccsacxy for lira, Oo;:ald to proceed to a tlilrd
•■.> country and thoro apply for a United States vica instead of ■]]■ ". . ;
•■■ ■ ■ receiving a viaa at iloacow uhcn her husband. Lea Ilr-nrcy Oc.iald, ■■ • .?..".
la docusiontcd for a rottou to tho ' US as an Ancrican citizen.
Leo Harvey Osvald is en American eitlson ^*io defect Cd Itoa ' ".• ' .
;' tha US and decided to rcoido pcnnancctly in tho Soviet Union.
llthour^ he nado kncm to tho Er.baacy hia orif^al intention to
,,■ renounce Arurlcan citiscnship, ho never completed tho fcrr.alitica, •
;y-; When he bcccne diolllusiorad with life in the Soviet Union, ho
requested pascport facilltico to return to tho US, After duo eon- "
ddcratlon- tho Passport Offico nado the decision thit Osuald la'
**' . still ^n Assrlenn citisen; tho ErJbassy has been outhorizod to issue -
' ■ \.' Mm a pasqport for return to tho US; and SC3 has authorizcfl a loan y -
. of $500 to enable hla to travel to the US vith his Soviet idfo and
recently bom child, •
••-■ • . ' . *■ • . ..'..' . '
SOV boiloYCS it is in the interest, of th* US to get Lee
Harvpy Oswald and hlo faaily out of the Soviet Union and on their
way to this country as soon as poselblc. An unstable dinroetcr, ' •■
^039 actions aro entirely unpredictable, Oc;rald cay veil rofusc to
■-.'-'.'. Icava the USSR or oubcoquontly attempt to return thcro if wo dhould ., .
'*.' ; sako it Inpossible for hln to bo acconpanied fron Koseow by his wife
.' • and child*
""■.' > ■ . . Such action on our part also would pomit tho Soviet Oovcrnnciit
:- '_ to ar^Q that^ althou;^ it had issued an ezit visa to Mrs, Ccuald to
■ • • '• i»rcvcnt tho ceparatlon of a fanily, tho United States Oovcj-irrcnt had
■ inposod a farced separation by rofnsinjj to issue her a visa.
Obviously, this vould weaken our Eifcasiy'a position in cncoura;»inj '•
positivo Soviet action in other cases Involviog Soviet citizen
■ rolatlvod of US eltizeis.
■• ,ir ' ( ■• .--■ . . • \' .' ' ■• -. ■■• • ■ " .•',■' '•■. -
^-W-.";-' •••■■■• ;v'v .■.■.::"- ■''. -.'■■.■^''.'^^'.■^'i '■■'-■ ■:
^,'i:-A-' ■■■■'-.: :-':: OFFICIAL USE onur • • : ;' '.
James Exhibit No. 2
:i
236
• ■■ -2 .
OFPICTAL USE ©ILT
Alao to bo considered la tho fact thnt vo ha-vo nrantod a loon'
of t^QO, sufflcLont only to brinr tiio fonUy to }tou Yoi'^. Thcro Is
• strong pooaibllity that a llcv Torlc or other velfare agency will
hfivo to support tho fonily durinet 'a otop-ovi r In Kcw loric and pay
for their onvnrd travel to Texas oince Osvnld only has a totaX fund
of $700. A dotour to • third country would require additional
Onited St»to8 funds, .
SOT reconmends thot IKS be asked to rocnnsjdar' on an ur;^cnt
basis its deoision rosarding tho 2U3(e) vaivcr for ^lrs• Oswald.
Jn Tiew of the foreRoin(», it is recorjncnded that a telegram be
sont to the fbhasoy at Kosoou adviainf;: it to witlthold action of V0*8
reeont OH on tho subject 0PERATI0:i3t Case of Mrs* Marina H«
Oswald. In this oozmoction^ tho ii:iabsssy*'s VIROH Mo. 2li3U of Kerch 1$
which asked when a decision on tho petition and vaivcr could be ex- ,
pectedf apparently was raotivated in part by the fact that Oswald is
using up his funds while awaiting doounoctation. :
.SURtSOTiVilJaiMSiitp ' ■
'• ■ . ' -^ V'^*-. ' "^ •: OPnCIAL USS ONLY
James Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
744-731 0-64_vol. XX 17 237
I »«^o-l^&}"^^" Depar^nneiiLt of State . ' . .
■cirtrrrrftT. n^'? r^Ti.T
FROM: KOSCCW
. TOs Saorctarr of Stat*
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,Dcj>artsssnt*» C:i\r»45
P1C363 advlco'wbcn daclsion oa petition and 243(C> valvar
Ico Oswald vlfo cay b« cxpcctQd,
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James Exhibit No. 3
238
9CA . Hr, KiohOl CiepUnoki
JSr '11 (2.) s^^
;. YO'- . Mr. Kobcrt r* Halo ■••*.■■•.'';;■■,.
Xknleront Vica. Caso of Kro* Ktrlna ff. OJ-iALD,
Tbcro is attr.chcd tha Vica Offico Til/s in tho case of tho
Abovo>ttarK)d alien, in3lu;lin:: a letter r^xaTtcd for your Giijaaturo
to tko Cosd.ccicr^.J' of IrrdcJ^tloa and JiituralisAtlon anri '•.•'. •;.•• ' ■ .
a prioriV tclocraa to tho Ii:^o:7 at I^scovr,
yiVQ* ternXd, n=3 Karixv* JTlcholtcvna Prusalrava, born •luXy 17,
1SU»1 at MolotOTc!:, tr;:icn of Cc^ict S-::5isliot ncpublicn, I.5 ths wlfo
, of Leo Tfcurrcy Cc-J-rOd, Kp, Gr^ald, vho wr.o torn Octc'^or 1I3, 152?
at.Hctf Orlcar-a, icfcotcd to tho CcTlct Ualca in Cotctcr 1W9, c?iortly
fiftar connlottr^ a tlwco-ycar cnlictncr.t in tho United St-tca lUrino
Corps* Althca:^ a report frcn t!«s Fcdcnl Surc-'u of Irr/coti2?.tica
(ccntilccd in tho fllo) stated ho ^^-x'3 hnd no knc-.-n ccntaat with tho
Cczrruniot Par^ of ivn::rica u-A t^ cuT.tn no 7n*c2livltiC3 for ccmunisn,
ho otatcd to tho Jbbaosy at lIocccM tJuit ho IntcrJcd to bccc=o a Ccviot
na^tlcnsl ani to rcv=nl to tho ScTlct autJioritico all t^^ iniorri-itioa
. ho could about hia trainiiv: !« tho Il.-rir.o Corps as a ra/Iio cpcratcr.
Jfr. «nrt ?iro« Csri&ld vzro ncrricd April 3'3» 19^1 *^ prcsontly rcsldo
at Ilinc!:, vhcro a cliild vaa rcccnUy hem to thrra* I'r. Gr-ald hr.3 nou
bocono dldllaoiorjal *;ith life in t!xo IV.lon of Soviet SooLollct RcpublLco
and viel:03 to rotum to this oci;nti7 vith his fsaily.
. This offico rcT^ilcrod an opinion on Ctetcbor 3» l^^l t.\it
Kr3» Oc^Ald'o caco cculd bo concixJcrcd ur.drr tho pro'.-lciona of
Section 212{a)(20)(I)(i) of tho Irr.lc:rr.Uon a«a .^tlcn.^lit:/ Act ia
that her noribrrchip la tho Scrlct Tr^o Cnlon for "cdic^l ■.-.'cr'.rr'ro coiild
bo ocr.ridcrod lrrolcr.tar7» Tho ?scz7::rt Offico hao rcn^Icrcd en oplnioa
that yjr» Orjrsld h^o cot crpatrlfvtcd iiir_-;2lf cnrZ n-.y bo ian-i a pn.co-
port for hla rctsra to tho U!nltcd Stitoo. Tho Offico of ui^coial Ccrv-
cuLv Corvicco bso authorised a repatriation Ic-^n to Itr. 0-.*ald» Tho
ScTlet anthoritica biva icsricd czlt dccirrmtatloa to Hra. O-xtld and
havo indicated that such docintr.trvtioa will bo icccod to Ilr. Ctarald
. ttpoa oo:;plotion of his travol plans*
HojrcTcr, tho S?r. tetcnio District Offica of tho I-rd'-raticn
and 2at?a:alisatloa Scrvico tns nxj rcplicrl to tho Virrx CrXico that, ,
vMJLo it bao apprcTCi tho pctitlcr. c^r.tlnj: Hr:;* Ccnld ncr.7:ot-a
etctasao an izi^li^rint, it trill not trdvo tho c-r^tiorj; i:rp::-:?d xrAor ■
tho prsTidcna of Scotlon Z'Oin) of tho /ot a^dr.-t th.o i::r:^?T:eo of , * , ;
4=3lcrsat visao in tho Ssvtot lihlca* An (^ioraticno 2!c=;orrjrfur» vaa
,7'- "j-i-.-.^- '.."*' '-"^ t-^v. ■,• •■ ■ ■■ "" ■ *' . • ■ „',,-i- .■•'•> '"T" "" TcTuaxxled •;'■■.' "^ •■
James Exhibit No. 3-A
239
CCWFIPENTTAL
•2-
for.KirtIcd to tho Eribacry contnlnins that InTorr-Titlon and pslntlng
out th2.t Itro. Or..'?xld vould thorcToro bo roqxdrcd to apply, for her
visa in a third coiaitxy.
S07 hao new rc3C=r.t3lcd that tho Dcprjrtccnt rccjuost Irrlrration
arf naturalisatlcn Service to rc3cnr.idcr its refusal to volvo tho
caraticoo. Tho letter to III*. Farroll end tho tolccraa to Ko^cu hav«
thcrofore bsca drafted for your ci^naturo.
Attaohscatt ••.-:.
■.: TifiA (jtffiod fUb oalKariim N. p1 Oswald.
eoi SC7 « !!l30 Jcrioo
PPT - I-aso Kni£ht
SC3 • Kino Van Cott
\8aiV0:JECrunpjdJb 3/20/62
. ' .,'-'-ii" : • i COHFIDEWTTAL
Jambs Exhibit No. 3-A— Oontinuefl
240
' .* UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ('/
IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE -«-—«-.,•
;. ; i Washington 29. D.C . y// / ' ^ -2
. ^^^ .VISA OI'Pl<Sy-i-i'
Or:;i;A7'I0NG.AND
. riiociiDUiijjj u;;ancu
Mr. Michel Ciepllnskl .
.Acting Adolnlstrator
Bureau of Security and Consular Affairs ' ■ ■.;'"■•
'••• Departzcent of State . ■ ■ !
-Vashlneton, D. C.
Dear Mr. depllnskl:
The Soivlce file relating to the case of Mrs,. Marina N. P.
v , OsynTfl ^ subject of your letter of liorch 27* 1962, les been ♦ -
dSrsTblly revleved In this office.
. ,. ^ On February 28, ly62, the District Director at San Antonio
; ">;'l_ -wrote the Assistant Director of the Visa Office that he declined
V;.to valve In Mrs. Osvald's case the sanctions against the issuance
of immigrant visas in th? Soviet Union ir-posed pursuant to
': ■ Section 2l^3(g) of the Immigration and nationality Apt. Your "
' •• .'- letter states that preventing I-lrs. Oswald from accompanying her
•f .- husband «md child to the United States would weaken the attempts
■' ■ ,'/ of the Embassy in Moscow to encourage positive action by the
Soviet authorities in other cases involving Soviet relatives of __ .,
■ . . United States citizens. Your letter rIso states that waiviiy; of ' ;
.. - «aDctlons in behalf of Mrs. Oswald would bo In the best Interests
•■^r- of- the United States, • • r
. ■ •, In view of the strong representations made in your letter of • •
' ■ ■ >brch 27» 19<32, you are hereby advised that sanctions imposed
■ "purstiant to Section 21*3 (g) of the Immigration ond Rationality Act
aro hereby vaiyed. in behalf of Mrs. Oswald.
S^cerely yours,
'\-... . ; Robert H. PvOblnson
^U II iVl/ li Av.. u.-.; . Deputy Associate Commissioner
•' ■- Travel Control
^^
James Exhibit No. 4
241
k:co:.1!:^g telegram Department of ^f^/2EHMAN£NT record copy
37
Action
VO.
Info
FROM: Moscow
UMTTED OFFICIAL USE
^
EU& ^^' Seoretary Of State
yrrr. - <6'"
^7) .ax^^A'--^ h, t^\
Decision needed soonest on re-con8ldera£rbn~243 (iTO
PCT-rald. Husband for some tine has known visa petition-
Approved, telephones and writes Enbasoy. frequently to
find out reason delay* We deemed it unwise discuss
•'.243 (G) problem as long as waiver still possible, but
find it increasingly awkward put Oswald off.
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■ MEM
0) Omission* Correction to follow.
tiLJU^/^^. A^u^.J'MS (iJiJdd'c^.
aJ»J A^Jf h -^^ 0-Tr"\TIONS AND M^ ^^^
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* This copy must be returnedttr!TTy^n!JLgSS^y^^ sinr.h not^y^^ ^
*««l8NCO TO.
MAMC Of orrtccM
• erricc »v«»«oc
DUCT]
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ACTION
(OinCCTIONt
TO WM/W ■
OMJHIS COPY IS
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James Exhibit No. 5
242
j;;.^..:J.:-::4:-:;1:J;v
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K r-i
■ J >;-■ :r.H*tH»h 27, .1962 y
ai»i?i«»fcs*i^
Poar Mr* FarrwUi
Tho oaeo of >tr3« Harina II. P, Ocifald has boon broucht to ty
attention* Mro* Or-mld ia tha wlfo of 7tr. Leo Itirvoy Os-.;.ild, an
• /Horioan eltlson» and lo applyins for An Imicrnnt vicv at tho
Enbanoy at IjOcoow, Slio boo boon CT'^^ntcfl oxLt docuncntatlon \t/ tho
Sovlot outhorltloo and tho rhbicsy ia prripAroi to consldor hor oaso
under tho provlolono of Sootion 212(a)<23}(I)(i) cC tho Inrdcrfttion .
' and Rationality /<at*
• nouovort tho Dopartrrant haa nor; been Informod ty tho Diotriot
• Diroctor of your Sorvlco at San Antonio that, vhilo tho poUtlon
•: grantins Mra* Oovald nonquota otatua for Irandsr.int vloa purxosoa
. has boon approved, tho eanotion ac'^lnot tho losii-inso of lr:?dgrant '
- visas in tho Sovlot Union Inponod purcuant to Section 2^3(£:) of tho
. . Aot will not bo waived* Z should liko to roquoot your reccnsidoration '
'; of that daoioion*
I approclato tho difficulty this case proconta for your Corvico,
b3oau$o of Ifr* Oo»fald*o backsi-ound, and tho faot that cr^ntin;: a valvar •
of tho sanction emJroo it appoar that this Govomnoat lo aosiotinc a
- porcon who I9 not altosothor entitled to cuch aaci.itrnoo* Ilcrrcvor,
if tlio Dnbaasy at }!occow lo u5inblo to leouo Itro. 0.:ixrald a vin-i, it
would appoar that oho and indirectly tho Or./aldo» no-.rbom child are
-■ boinc punlohod for Mr* Oc:Tald»s carlior indlcorotiono. I nlj^ht
' alfio point out thit thia Covomzaont haa advanced Mr* Osriald a loan
of $500.00 for repatriation*
: ' Mora inportant, hovovor, lo tho poocibility tlwt if lira, Ocr/ald
is not isouod a vlca by tho Ehbascy, tho Govlot Govonnent vill bo
in A position to olaln that it haa dono all it can to prevent tho
separation of tho fanily by issuing lira. Oxiald tho roqulrc^i orf.t
. poraiosion, but tliat tliia Oovorrescnt haa rcf uccd to isct:a hor a visa,
thaa proventins hor froa acconpaxiyiryr h"r husband wjd child. This
■■ would woakon tho Eabaosy'a attcnnto to- onoouraco pcoitlvo action
.. bQT tho Sovlot author! tic 3 in othor cacos involving Sovlot "rolatlvoa
.. «f Qnitod States oltisons*
Th» Rohorabla
, tUorawnd P* ParroU,
f ,. . Conndaaionor of Snalgration and
\-'-'\ ' .. Saituralieatlon,
:■••■. 1 ';. ■. DopartRont of Juatioo*
Booanao
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James Exhibit No. 6
243
•2.
BocAxise of thoso oonsldorAtlons nnd bocanro I bollovo It is
in tho boat Iniorosto of tho Uhitod States to hnve Mr* Ocr./:ild
dopart froa tho Soviet Iblon ao coon no poaoiblo, I rcquoat that .
tho Sootlon 2fO(ti) scnotlon bo woivod in lira* OowaJd's caco*
•'■'••'• •' ■. Sinoorolj yours t .• .
-1. - J -•
I' Kiohei Cioplinrki
iotins Adsdnlstrator
v.r. ,;*;;'--• SCAiYOtJEC:
I djby:: 3/20-3/22/62 . CLEARANCEi SOV: Mr. PnenfjS^J., , ;
James Exhibit No. 6 — Continued
244
OUTGOIN'V ' , ( >*_ «™™ , -^
wiROM I : *i Department of State-
■•• DBPARTI-IEMr ' . C I • » » I f I « • t J • •
. 5i> ACnONi Ameoibacsgr KOSCCV
(iro/
^ ■:'•■ r^:'.'-'i.-i^lj:>-'-iy'v-^ : ••■ \i,''' ■ ■ ^.'•..■
;•' : : .. f' , . Vaivtr 2<»3 (s}8anotioa granted ly INS.
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Y QSrfALD, Marina H. P.
- JSOIT '• Kiss Janes. (toloj^otdoaXXj')
.: ;> LDOTED CFFICIAL USE
•cnnoucnoN rtOM tmis co^ s
raCMItlTCO UNlUt "UNOASiiritO"
C i • t •. i f i e • 1 1 o A
i:^ Main
'An,*. •e*«iMMmr mmtum erria. km— ••
Tames Exhibit No. 7
245
^OUTGOING ' . ■ r^N CO '• \r-
wiROM ' I' Department of State,. /
INDICATE: O COLLECT ..^^.... . , / •
— ■ i3ir-?
i ,^ 12. CHARGE TO
i-" DEPARTMEOT
OFFICIAL DSE OfflJf
Cl«(»lf(c«ti
37
i '. yKC^XQHt Ancmbaaay, KOSCCW
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old
PRioRmr
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Withhold acUon on Dcpaptnent'a aW-6l. 2'f3(e) eanotion being
r«eon8ider«d* ■•:.'.. }. . '•: - •..^.' ..; . -•' • 7. ; .,:■ ■^ ,
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BAll
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n.rti«. .pp.«»«< fcr. SCAfTOTC Michel CiftnT In. oVi
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GSTLQlkL USE OiVLT
KnraouCTioN rKM 1HIS cow « '
MXIMriS UNUS -MHCLASittaat' '
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James Exhibit No. 8
246
.^-^ -OOvJ
trpur
DEFCRENCe
0«p«rtaant
m-Vs" TRANSMITTAL SLIP
1-J-5J
CUSSIfTcXTluN
OFFICIAL USE ONLY
TaTT
American Embassy, KOSCX)W Jos6p\f*B*.'h?oi't1S::^'
Departesnt of State
TO T?.? ?ORglCN SSRVIC8
i \ tot Trkas«itt«l to iddr««t«*
•t tk« Discratiea o( Post
^^?ost lB(ora»tiot Oalr
[~^Tr4»iait to Por«i(« Offico
I I Stbait Bcport
r~l>o>XT to tko ladiTldBftl
1 I Traasalt to:
r"~l Ittona:
TO THii DBPARTMENT
I l D«pt. laforoatloa 0al7
[^CBSP Pablieatioaa
I I gaeloaaro to ProTioaa
Daapatek
I [ tapir to Sept. Saqaaat
(B.S. igancyj
4^
TtTSsTrImIsks"
Dear Joe:
.JUT- s't(-^)
Too will be interested to know that SOV,
did not see the outgoing OMV giving INS /
disasproval of the waiver for Krs. Oswald. /
/
7/
IH agPLT »gPBg TO PILg KDMBER ANI> DRAFTING 0PPIC8
fiue 10.
OFSiaAL USE OMUC
SliSnATuftr
W U-v-
Soviet onion Affairs
cro ai«as7
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James Exhibit No. 9
247
v>
OFTICIAL USS OMLY
VQ - }Sr, Joha E. Crunp Kareb 16, 1962
SOT - Sobert I* Ovon
Operation of Sanctions 3ii?o3ed by Section 2li3(g) of the
£3sieratlon and nationality Act in Cass of I-lrs. Karisa N. Os'^rald
It has C0S3 to the attention of SOV that in approving tho
petition granting Ilrs. Karina 11. Os^-rald non-quota statua the
San Antonio District Office of US did not inclTido a '..-aiver of
the sanction against the issuance of the Tisa irriosed by
Section 2l{3(e) of the Ironicration and nationality Act, It vonld,
therefore, bo necessary for Krs, C^vald to proceed to a third
conntry and there apply for a Cnitrsd States visa instead of
receiving a visa at I'osccw when her husband. Lea Harvey Cs:-7ald,
la decunentcd for a rotvtm to the US as an Ai^erican citizen.
Lee Harvey Osvald is an Aaerican citizen vho doiccted ftoa
tfcs US and decided to reside perrianontly in thj Soviet Union.-
Althouj^ he nade knorm to the Embassy his orisinal intention to
renounce Assriccn citizenship, ho never completed the for::alities,
Vhen he becata disillvisioned uith. life in the Soviet Union, he
requested passport facilities to return to the U3. After due con-
sidaratioQ the Passport Office cada the decision th;at Os>.-ald is
still an Asericsn citizen; the Eriassy has been authoriaed to issue
Mo a passport for return to tho CSj and SC3 has authorized a loan
of $500 to enable hia to travel to the US vith his Soviet vilf e and
recently bom child, • . : ; "
- 807 believes it Is in the interest of thj US to set Lee
Harvey Osvald and his fsaily out of the Soviet Union and on their
*ay to this country as soon as possible. An unstable character,
'^vhose actions are entirely ucpredictable, Os-A'ald r^y irell refuse to
leave the USSR or subsequently attcr.pt to return there if ve should
Bake it i:90sslble for him to be accompanied froa Hoscou by his vife
and child.
Such action on our part also 'ould pemit the Soviet Coverment
to argue tha% althou'^ it had issued an e:cit visa to ijrs. Or^ald to
prevent the separation of a fa.-aily, the United States Covcmr^ent had
Imposed a forced separation by refiLsir.g to ic:nie her a visa.
Obviously, this vould vealcea our Stbassy's position in encouraring
positive Soviot action ia other cases involviE» Soviet citizen
relatives of US citizeES,
■■'■■■■ ^-. , Also '
OFFICIAL DS3 (P.UX
Virginia Jam«a Exhibit No. 9
James Exhibit No. 9 — Continued
248
. 2 .
OFFICriO. tSE CE.'LT
Also to ^© conaldsred Is the fact that vo have granted a. loan
of $500, sufficient only to briir^ tae fenily to Hew Yoric. There is
a strong possibility that a IT^w lork or other velfare agency will
have to support the fsnily chirins a stcp-ov-.r in Mew York and pay
for their onward travel to Texas since Oswald only has a total fund
of 3700. A detour to a third country vould require additional
United StHes funds.
r>
S07 rccaT.-.ends, that 123 bo asked to reconsider on an ur<»ent
basi^ its dacision regarding the 210(g) waiver for IJs, Oswald,
In view of the foregoinrj, it is rcco-tended that a telepraa bo
sent to the E-ibassy at lioscow advisinr; it to i.lthhold action of liO's
recent d on the subject 0?IRX1101l3i Case of rirs, Marina 11.
Osvald. In this connection, the ihbassy's y.I20'A j;o, 2li3]i of March 15
i&ich asked vhcn a decision on the petition and vaiver could be ex-
pected, apparently was Eotivatcd in part by the fact that Osvald is
Tising vp his funds while awaiting docuscntation*
ZUSi SOVi VHJases I lep
OFFICIAL V3S 0I:LY
James Exhibit No. 9 — Continued
I Virginia James Exhibit No, 9
249
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To: r>r. A. J. Gill, Dean
The UaiversiCy ox Texas Southwest era Kcdical School
Froa: M. T. Jcnlcins, M;D., Professor aad Chairman '
Department of Anesthesiology
Subject: Statement, concemins rccuscitative efforts for
President John F. Kennedy
Upon receivins a stat{:alarm that this distinsuiched patient was being brought
to the emergency room- at Parkland I-Iemorial Kospital, I dispatched Doctors
A. K. Giesecke and Jackie H. Kunt v/ith an anesthesia machine and rcsuscitativo
equipment to the major surgical emergency room area, and I ran dovm the stairs.
On rny arrival in the emergency operating room at approximately 1230 I found
that Doctors Carrico and/or Dolaney had begun resuscitative efforts by intro-
'ducing.an orotracheal tube, connecting it for controlled ventilation to a
Bennett intermittent positive pressure breathing apparatus. Doctors Charles
Baxter, 1-Ialcolm perry, and Robert McClelland arrived at the same time and
began a tracheostomy and started the insertion of a right chest .ube, since
there was also obvious tracheal and chest damage. Doctors Paul I^etcrs and
Kemp. Clark arrived simultaneously and immediately thereafter assisted respec-
tively with the insertion of the right chest tube and VTith manual closed chest
cardiac compression to fissure circulation. (As evidence of the clear thinking
of the resuscitative team, the patient received 300 mg. hydrocortisone intra*
venously in the first few minutes.)
For better control of artificial ventilation, I exchanged the intermittent
positive pressure breathing apparatus for an anesthesia machine and continued
artificial ventilation. Doctors Gene Akin and A. H. Giesecke assisted with
the respiratory problems incident to changing from the orotracheal tube to a
tracheostomy'' tube, and Doctors Hunt and Giesecke connected a cardioscope to
determine cardiac activity.
During the progress of these activities, the emergency room cart was elevated
at the feet in order to provide a Trendelenburg position, a venous cutdovra was
performed on the right saphenous vein, and additional fluids were begun in a
vein in the left forearm while blood was ordered from the blood bank. All* of
these activities wore convicted by approximately 1245, at which time external
cardiac saassage was still being carried out effectively by Doctor Clark as
Jenkins (Dr. Marion T.) Ii^xhibit No. 36
252
Dr. A. J. Gill, Dean
Movcnbcr 22, 1963
Vczc 2 -'Statcncnt concerning recuscitativQ
of forts for Prcsidont John F. Konncdy
Judged by a palpable peripheral pulse. Despite those meacures there was
no electrocardiographic evidence of cardiac activity.
These described recuscitativo activities were indicated ao of first
irnor'cance, and after they were carried out attention was turned to all
other evidences of injury. There x/as a great laceration on the right
side of the head (tc.-nporal and occipital), causing a ^veat defect in the
skull plate so that there ^7as herniation and laceration of great areas
of the brain, even to the c:ctcnt that the cerebolluiu had protruded from
the wound. There were also fracnicntcd sections of brain on the drapes of
the encrscncy room cart. With the institution of adequate cardiac
conprcssioa, there was a great flow of blood froa the cranial cavity,
indicating that thoro vas much vascular das^as^ ^o well as brain tissue
daaasc.
It Is lay personal feeling that all methods of resuscitation were instituted
expeditiously and efficiently. However, this cranial and intracranial
danage was of such magnitudo as to cause the irreversible deia&ze* President
Kennedy was pronounced dead at 1300.
Sincerely,
M. T. Jenkins, M.D.
Jenkins (Dr. Marion T.) Exhibit No. 36 — Continued
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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Dot., r-3GPmber 10, IQf^"^
MP. r.'^.V.LTj L,, JENKINS, ?CBW r'0.1o Station, S900 McCi-ee
Road, Dallas, Te:-:aa, aciVlacd tie follov/e: "^
He has bosn employed as .nowsman for KBOX Radio Station ^^;
for the past two months, ^^ j
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On November 22 j .1S63, i'.o nai'tlolpatcd In the covc.:;-^:;^ "~^^'
of PreBident^JOmi P. KEi-.SDY'B tovi' of Dallas with DAVID KIIIQ — "^
UPI, Dallas. He did not '.j-itness the assa
ICEMED^. He said KING did not vjiirxess Pro
assassination and KING i;as ^ot in the. Dallas Police Dap.
basement when LEE HARVEY OSWALD v;as shot, Koveiiiboi' 24, 1963.
On November 24, 19^3, he was Just enterins the baco
ment area of th6 Dallas Pblice Djpartment froi?. th3 uoper ,'^
floor vjhen OSV;ALD was shot. He did not witness the shooting
of OSWALD. He recalls feeeing many policemen and prc-ss
representatives in the basement area at the time of t-he OSV/ALD
shooting, Idehti'^ies of the policemen and news representatives
were mainly unknown to him.
He does not personally knov; JACK RUBY and did not ,
know LEE HARVEY OSWALD. "
He arrived at ti.- Dall - a Police Department approximately
4:00 P^M.^ Noveuber 22, ISSS, subsequent to the assassination,
and v/as at" the police station until early Saturday, IJovember
23, 1963. He vfas present v;hen OSVJALD v/as brought before press;
radio and television representatives during the evening of
November 22, 19^3, to be photographed and intervievjed. Pie
recalled there v;ere a large number of press representatives
present in addition to a large nuiiber of police officers.
After OSWALD was shot, November 24, 1963, he had ari
opportunity to brief ly^ view JACK RUBY in p^.^.-'son and also saw
photographs of RUBY in^ the nev:spapers and on television.
After seeing RUBY on November 24, I963 and the photographs,.^
recalled that on the evening of November 22, 19^3, b&tv;cen
approximately 5j30 to 7:30 P. 11,, he saw a man believed to be
RUBY on [tihe third floor of the police station. RUBY v:as
milling around In the crowd' of press representatives and v^as
alonft , — Thft third flnnr of the poj-lce nt?^tion w,?>jb almost
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This docum.nl contain, n.lther t.comm.ndolion, not conclusion, ol Ih, FBI. II U Ih, prop,rty ol th, FBI and 1, lo
your oq,ney; It and It, eont,nt, or, not le b, dl,trlbut,d out,ld, your ag,ncy.
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completely filled a:i:G -w-es r^o orT'OWdtcl he oould hardly move
around. He did not seel rinyor.o wh'o did not appear to be a
policeman or press rcp.v:iCv>.itatlve. Ha believes he saw RUBY
talking to an unlcnown man near the third floor elevator
shaft. He believes RUBY was v/earing a light colored top
coat and no hat. He did not recall whether RUBY v;as carrying
anything at the time.
About 11:00 P.M., the seme date^ v;hen OSVJALD v^as
p.ade avbllable to the press representatives, he believed
he again sav; RUBY in the crovjd. He believes RUBY vras
;:tanding on a table where some car::?3:rai)sn were standlns and
that RUBY had a pad of writing pai:o:. in his hand, RUBY was
v/earing a sport Jacket at that tlrae. On both occasions, he
thought RUBY was Just -another press representative but did
not recall if RUBY had a press card or other type of identlfi^
cation.
He did not recall anyone checking identification
when he entered the room where OSWAID was made available for
press representatives on November 22, 1963* He had not
left the Police Department during the evening so he did not
know if persons entering the Police Department were being
checked for identification.
On November 24, 19^3 .•> he did observe policemen,
both in uniform a..d in civilian clothing, checking identifica-
tion of persons entering the Police Department, Kls identifi-
cation was checked on several occasions. There vjere also ^
police guards at the elevator entrances and at various doors
leading' into the basement area.
?Ie recalled tha': when he was in the press room on
the third floor of che police station during th- evening of
iiovember 22, I963, he observed several press cards laying on
a table and he reported same to a police officer, name
unl^novm to him.
He does not know of any unauthorized person peraitted
to enter the police station basement, November 24, 1953, ox*
the police station during the period of November 22 arid
lioiVember 23, 1963. He docs not knoW of any person permitted
to enter the police station without showing identification.
He has no information that anyone conspired with
RUBY or that any police officer or other official conspired
vjith RUBY or willfully permitted the killing of OSWALD.
Jenkins (Ronald L.) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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He did not U:llc to RULY on any occasion or see any-
one talking to RUBY other than the one man whom he did not
knov/, ,
He has no knov/led^e of any relationship or prior
acqualhtance between RUBY and OSWALD.
He said that RC~Z?.T- TI:C:i?SC2I, employee of V/FAA
television, Channel 8, Dallas, told him he was in the Police
Department basement when OSWALD v/as shot.
JENKINS said that SAIf PATE then employed as
announcer by KBOX Eadio Station, was at tt3 press conference
November 22, 1963, when OSWALD v;as brought before the newsmen
to be photographed.
He said that JERRY KUWKLE, announcer KBOX Radio
Station, was also at the same previously mentioned press
conference. He believes THOMPSON, PATE and KUNKLE have all
been interviewed concerning their observations,
Mr, JENKINS sdi'd he had no other information concern-
ing this matter, > . -
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July 31, 1963
L. H. Oswald
P O Box 30061
New Orleans, La«
Dear Mr. Oswald:
Your letter to tho WORKER has been referred to rr.© for
reply.
It is good to know that movements in support of fair
play for Cuba has developed in New Orleans as well as in
other cities. We do not have any organizational ties with
the Committee, and yet there is much material that we issue
from time to time that 15 important for anybody who is concerned
about developments in Cuba.
Under separat e cover we are sending you some liter-
ature •
Sincerely yours.
Arnold Johnson, Director
Information and Lecture Bureau
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September 19, 1963
Lee H. Oswald
P O Box 30061
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Dear Mr« Oswald;
Your letter of August 20th to Elizabeth G. Flynn was turned
over to mo for reply. Since I received your lolicr of September 1st
Indicating that you are moving to Baltimore, I suggest that when you
do move that you get in touch with us here and we will find some way
of getting in touch with you in that city.
While the point you raako about your resicloncG in the Soviet
Union may be utilized by liome people, I think you have to recognize
that as an American citisca who is now in this country, you have a
right to participate in such organizations as you want, but at the
same time there are a number of organisations, including possibly
pAr Play, which are of a very broad character, and often it is ad-
visable for some people to remain in the background, not underground.
I assume this is pretty much ot an academic question aoclr, and we
can discuss it later.
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To: North. Amorican Nov/opapGr Ariianoo ^ ^-<2— /-
From* •^'rlacilla Johncon ' ^ U c
iiow I have 130611 waiting to do this ono thing. To
dissolve my American citizenship and become a citizen
of the Soviet Union," Today, twenty year-old Lee
^rvey Oswald of Fort V/orth, 'Hbs. Icxas, is in I^'oscow.
He hopes he s close to his goal.
With his suit of charcoal gray flannel,
dark tie and tan cashmere sweater -^ee Looks, and
sounds, like Joe College v/ith a slight Southern 2C2ekji±
drawl. But his life hasn't "been that of a typical
college hoy. ^ '-
LeeJ^s father, an insurance salenan, died
"before he vras horn, Kaised in ^e^nis and Louisiana, the
boy spent two years in ■^''ew York during his enrly teens.
At 17, ho enlisted in the U.S. i-arines. "I did it,"
he says, 'hz "because- we wore poor and J didn't want to
be a burden on my mother," Later, he spent 14 months ±21
as a licensed radar operator in the J^ar Bast,
This September, his 3-year hitch nearly
done, the ''^arines gave -'^ee a dependency discharge.
Just one months later, after an exhausting trip by
land, sea and air, he arrived in Moscow, to TiTyi. petition
the Supreme Soviet, highest legislatl^ve body in the
U.S.S.R., for So vie t"* citizenship . Livi\rLg in I.To scowls
Hotel i^tropolo on mney ho earned as .a\U.S. ^'^arine,
Lee Osv/ald waits for an answer, \,
Even though Russian off ici\lc^\ '^-^vo warned
him Soviet citizenship is not easy to ol-^^tsAin, Lee already
refers to the Soviet government as '^my, g^yc.Tameiit ."
"but," says Jeo, "even if I am not aopcepted, .5 on no
account v/ill- I go back to th- United States. I's^l'"-!!
remain here, if necessary, as a residen*.t alien." All
Soviet officalQ vrill promi^-se tpday is tf;at Lee can stay
on in EuBoia regardless of whether ho beco^O^c a oitizcn; •
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 2
286
lacanv/hilc , they ro "invec;tica-bin£j' the poaoi'bilityybf ^""*
Gondin^ hir,i to a Soviet higher technical institute.
At an a^o v.'hen ancry youn^ rehela all over
what "brought • thia Geriouoj soft-spoken Southern "boy
to r.Toscow v-ath no other anoition iDUt to spend tho rest
of hio life as a Soviet citizen? Evidently, it_s a
comlDination of poverty, the plight of the U.S. I'^egro,
and tho U«So £tarino3«
•'Lly raotherp^ says ^eo, "has been a v/ork^r all
her lifOc S|4Goa a good exc'^..£.la,2 he adds, "of \yhat
happens to v/orkers in tho United States," He declines to
elaborate, "At the age of 15," he adds, "after watching
the way workers are treated in ±hE:-:2 ^''cw York, and
ITegroes in the South, I was looking for a key to my en-
vironment „ The I discovered Socialist literature."
Lee was struck, in particular, hy ^^arx's "Das Kapital.
he concluded tha.t, as an Ainerican, "I would EJciihKr
"become either a worker crqoloited for capitalist profit,
cr en explc'ter or, since there are many in this
category, '^, I'd "be one of the unemployed," Lee "became
a Marxist,, Later, as a rnarinc Corps Private in '^apan and
the Philippines, he "had a chance to watch American
i'lilitarist imperialism in action,
Zih-ly a year ago, J^eo "began getting ready to
;ome to Russia, Using a 3erlitz gramm.ar, he taught
himself to read and vrrito P.ussian. Never, says lico,
. a nice-looking six-footer with gray eyes and "brovm
hair, did he consider deserting the llarine Corps,
Does it occur to See that Soviet
officials nay 'oe enharrassed by his effort to "become .
a citizen of their country at a moment when Rug -".a is
cvJLtivating good r^aations with ti,e 'United States?
JOHNSON (Priscilla) EXHIBIT Xo. 2 — Continued
287
TvUCoian officialfj, says -'•ce, "don't encourage o.nd c'^on't
..iscouracc ne." They v.nrn, however, that neither i^eo's
v.'i3h, not theirs, will detcnnino v/hcthor hn his , ,
citir.enship n-nplication !7:±3:i: io to "be accepted^ xxxx'' '
X2cbdac;ciic::c^x::^i:cA^li^ they've offered
Lee the sanctuary of a prolonged stay in the TJ.S.S.R.
■As for officials at the U.S. I^hassy in
?.Ionco\y, they re torn "betAvorn their desire to £:ivo
Lee tine to thinlc it over, and their le£vQ.l ohli^ation to
ciECETiixIii.vXcf hear his oath renouncing Azicrican
citizenship if he insists. Loe is "bitter at U.S. Consul
Hichard Snyder, v;ho, he charcec, stalled him v/hen he
asked to take the oath on Oct. 31, only tine Leej^s "been
at the Hahassy. As a result, Lee won't go "back there.
He'll lot the Sovi<^t £;ovcrnrjir'nt handle Ic^^l details
v;hen, and if, he heco;r.es a.x citif.en of the Soviet Union.
I-Icanv.'hilc , he As handed over his passport to the Anerican
j^nhassy.
Embassy officials adrait they're a "bit
£pjm. sliy. it's their third case of attcniptcd defection
this fall. The first, Nicholas ^etru^li, clnccliind: clian/jed
his mind ahout defecting; junt hefore Russia refused him
citizenship*. Petroilli had a history of mental illness.
The second, V/ehster, an enployee of the
■Rand Co., asked for, and received, Soviet citizenship
aJtuEE after he had ST)ent- the suiiKier- rac working at the
U,S, air in I.Toscowc'.s Sokolniki -c^ark. But Ir^ebster and
Petrulli had had Tnarital troubles back home.
Unlike V/ebster and Petrulli, Lee Oswald
has never been married. Plis oge — he v/on't be 21 until
next Oct. lo — is apparently no bar to renouncing his-
American citizenship ♦ ^i^ssians comeof age' at 18,
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
288
As for ordinAry Puasinno ho nooto, clo t?iey
orpreoG Gta'prino at Loc g dcciro to defect? "V.'ell,"
caya LeCj they're very ciiriouD and they ask no v/hy,"
But Liater.iallGt LtUGCovites.; he adds, v^i^-'"'(5"-C'S'tand when I
Docalc of the idcalistica] reasons that hrou.'icht r.ie hero.
And they ask me nany questions ahout the rcaterial con-
ditions of workers in the United States."
Re^yirdlesG of any Txatcrial shortcor.iin.^3"
he sees v/hilo he's hc-Oj Loc insists he'll never go
hack to the ibriii^-ittxl'i U.S.A. "EiniiCpration, " he says,
"isn't easy« I don t reconmend it to everyone. It
laeans comir." to a Tie'.'! country, al\7ays beinf; the outsider,
always having to adjust. But to me, my reasons are
r±a:>r::^p:siii:ix?-cLaii strong and good. I "bclievo I'm doing
^ie^"^^" won't
That's why X^ee itaE.Kni± take any jiiians calls
v;hen his mother telephones from Fort V.'orth to hog him
not to defects
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
289
Interview With Suspect Oswald in Moscow in 1959
■ ^Tlke Stuff of WMcfi
* The ciithor 'd'as Mojcow Ccnesfondcnt for ^'AXA
in 1939. A few \ca>s before, in 19::, she had ieen research
cssistant or, J'iel Xa;n- for Johz p. Kennedy, then a
senator. She is perhaps the only pi'son to have been good
friends '.lith both the late President and his suspected
cssassin. She is today a frec-hnce writer on Soviet affairs.
By PKISCILLA JOHNSON
(Cojrrlth!- !?"3. P»>Imi Globr. Nimh At-!tlnii NfMip.rtr AMI. nee)
CAMBRIDGE, Jlass.— "For r'.-o years now I have
been v.-aiting to do this one thing. To dissolve my
American citizenship and becc.-e a citizen of the
Soviet Union."
The time ^vas November, 19"0. The plaii- -.vas my
room on tlie third floor of ^losciw's Hotel '?tropol.
The speaker was Lee Harvey Oywald, pri suspect
in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
V/ith his suit of charcoal gray flannel, dark tie
and tan cashmere sweater, Lee looked, and sounded
like Joe College with i slight southern drawl. But
his life hadn't been that of a typical college boy.
His father, an insurancesitlLis alone in his hotel room,
faksrean, died before he was'jui-. r:e floor below mine at
born. Raised in Te.xos and the TVtropol. Ke had no
Louisiana, the boy spent two friencs in Russia and he didn't
years in New York during his speak a word of the language,
early teens. At 17, he en- The o-ly sightseeing he'd done
listed in the U.S. Marines. ^was U "Detsky Mir," a chil-
"I did It," he said, "because dren's store one block from our
we were poor and I didn't want hotel. He'd managed to buy
to he a burden on my mother"'an ic; cream cone "here, he
T-5'er, he spe.it 14 months as told r-.e proudly. I
a licensed radar operator ini ■'
the Far East. ' As we sat in my hotel I
In .September, ID.59, his room all evcnin? and into I
th.'ce-ycar hitch nearly done, the e:-rly hours of morning, I
the Marines grfve Lee a de- he t;5-.r;d quietly about his i
pcnd-incy discharge. Just one plans to defect (o Russia, j
month Ir.trr, Ciftcr a.n e.Nhaust- Ilone'tr. I soon c.inic to feel >
in| trip by land, sea and air.^ that Itis hoy was of [he stuff p
he arrived in .'.:qscow to pe-, of whMi fanatics are m.irie.
tilion il-.e S'.:prcme Soviet,! , i
hifh';-t Icjisl.-.tivc br.dy in Ihej Ever, though Russian ofRcial^'
b.S.S.R for Soviet citizenship, uarnc: hi,-i Soviet citizenshi) ,
^n.Vf ran.-xtic 'i.^ not '::.,•/ to obtain, Lee waii
Fc- ci.'iyj, Ov.vaid had been a): cad; !>:'>.rr:ng loth" ■;-■■■
Government as "my govern-
ment." "But," said Lee, "Even
if I am not accepted, on no ac-
count will I go back to the
United States. I shall remain
here, if necessary, as a resident
alien."
All Soviet olTicials would
promise at the time was that
Lee could stay on in Russia
whether or not he became a
citizen. Meanwhile, they were
"investigating the possibility
of sending him to a Soviet
higher technical institute."
.^t an age when angry
young rebels all over the
world find release in ap'mg the
beatniks, what brought this
serious, soft-spoken southern
boy to Moscow with no other
ambition but to spend the rest
of his life as a Soviet citizen?
Evidently, it was a combina-
tion of poverty, the plight of
the U. S. Negro, and the U. S.
Marines.
"My mother," said Lee, "has
been a worker all her life.
. She's a good example," he
added, "of what happens to
workers in the United States."
He declined to elaborate.
"At the age of 15," he added,
"after watching the way
workers are treated in New
■york, and Negroes in the
South, I was looking for a key
to my environment. Then I
discovered Soci. ' t literature."
Lee was struck, in particu-
lar, by Marx's "Das Kapital."
He concluded that, as an
American, "I would become
either a. worker exploited for
capitalist profit; or an ex-
ploiter or, since there arci
m.any in this category, I'd be'
one of the unemployed." Lee I
'jecsme a Marxist. /
Later, a; a Marine private;
" JaT-' :-\:{ the Philipri'-'" '
he "had a chance to watch
American militarist imperial-
ism in action."
Year's Plaiiiiing
Fully a year before, Lee be-
gan getting ready to go to
Russia. Using a Berlitz gram-
mar, he taught himself to read
and wri'.e Jiussian. Never, said
Lee, a nice-looking young man
with gray eyes and brown
hair, did he consider deserting
the Marine Corps.
Did it occur to Lee that So-
viet ofRciais might be embar-i
rassed 'oy his efforts to become
a citizen of their country atl
a moment when F-ussia
cultivating good relations with
the United States?
Russian olTicials, he said,
"don't encourage and don't dis-
courage me.'' They warned,
however, that neither Lee's
wish, nor theirs, would deter-
mine whether his citizenship
application was to be accepted.
They said it depended on tlie
"over-all political atmosphere
at the moment." Meanwhile,
they offered Lee the sanctuary
of a prolonged stay in the
U.S.S.R.
As for oiTirials at (he U.S.
Embassy in ."Moscow, they
were torn between their de-
sire to give Lee time to think
it over, and their legal obli;a-
tion to hear his oath renounc-
ing American citizenship if he
insisted.
Lee was bitter at U.S. Con-
sul Richard .?n\der, who, he
charged, jlalied him when he
asked to take the oath on Oct.
.31, the only time I^ce had been
at the Embassy. As a result,
Lee wouldn't go back there.
He would let the Soviet gov-
ernment h.'indle le^-'al details]
'rp. .-, ' .'. ! c " • -..-.c a cit-1
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 3
The Boston Sunday Gloh'e— November 24, 1°;.3 ~ l^)
aiiatics
izen of the Soviet Union
Meanwhile, he handed over hi-
passport to the American Em-
bassy.
I asked Lee if the ordinary
Russians he met expressed sur-
prise at his desire to defect.
"Well," he said, "they're very
curious and they ask'me why.
But materialist Muscovites',"
he added, "under- 'and when I
speak of the ide stic reasons
that brought me here. And
they ask nie many questions
about coi-.'iitions of workers in
the United States."
'Never Go Back' I
• Regardless of any material
[shortcomings in Moscow, Lee|he answered when I knocked
insisted he would never go at his door and why, a few
jback- to the U.S.A. "Emigra-, hours later, he came to see me
jtion," he said, "isn't easy. I in my room, I never learned,
don't recommend it to every-l
one. It means coming to a As our conversation drew
;new country, always being the| to a close— we ate nothinj,
outsider, always having to ad-i a„,i 1,3,1 (jeen sinjiiiig onlv tea
I just. But to me, my reasons _i i,r,(i a terrible feeling of
are strong and good. I believe^ futility. Disilluiion, I was
I'm doing right." sure.awaijed him.
That was why Lee wouldn't
answer the phone when his! As he was leaving I asked
mother was calling from Ft. [him to come see me again. The
Worth, trying to plead with Russians, Oswald told me. had
him to return home. He had' warned that he mustn't talk to
refused to speak to any Amer-^.^kmericans. But he promised,
ican correspondents. Just whyibefore closing the door, tha
he wouldn't do anything deri-
sive without at least letting
me know.
j Two days later I went to the
second floor "dezhurnaya" —
the woman who sits near the
elevator and hands out keys to
each room — and asked for Mr.
Oswald. Her hands flew up in
a know-nothing gesture. "He's
gone," she said.
I'd wondered what had hap-
pened to him since. Now I
know.
-.1
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 3 — Continued
290
Oo'^^aM IiiiiLsryleiv in R^ieGco^^v Recalled
,vV„-i-' J ; ™ T •■ ••-"'"-'"<-*» IJ'l.lCCH.ll. Ill I^UII^^ J.IUU ppopip generally were begin-
\\ 11.11 Kino 01 n.ttn was i^cc r ■•■ ■ . ■■ i ■ - . .. — . - ,. . . w -,. , . , .,. . : -i — ninn ti-. rif,^^r>t it ik^.i* iK-^t
Call for Control
Oll'lr
roics
Did this ndrniltcd Miirxist^' pi,t t)-.
. . he [
liiKk'd- \Jov
l■k^:l
ning to suspect at about that
rcvcnl a fondness lime that the Cuban leader
- was a Communist,
she recalls, "a very
.■oung man at first
Som
poiit
paMeof <hoo1in3tho>ie5idcni;nerdcTto''^^^^^^^^^ foTlhis' a'c"! pl/uTsibli'\-ounr man a1 mS „ No Mention of Cuba
of the United Slates, as Dallas, (ihe £i<a>sination), \ bUjth. He was very consorva- "^^ never once during the
'■He saved cvcrv pennv .he lively dressed. He talked ex- scvcn.hour interview did Os-
carned in the Marines for the trcmcly quietly, and I rather J'-'^'" rnenlion Cuba or Castro,
trip to Russia," she said, "and hkcd him. and it was because Ihough he later became cjiair-
he warrlcd an early discharge this conversation went on for "^^n of a Dallas branch of Fair
so he toiild get there a little so many hours that I saw how Pla/ for Cuba, a left-wing, pro-
Few people really seem to .'faster. ''.Vithin two d3ys of his bitter he was. ... I saw his Castro group.
known the 24-ycsr-old; djschai^c he was on a boat for coinpletely jj^vcn_knQ>ykdse_. After talking a good deal
he So. ict Union. ^*^^>J,L .^^ifD^'sm, which he about Marxist philosophy as
ed John \
dy last Friday — just
two days before he was simi-
larlv shot and killed as the case
took on a bizarre twist. ,
New Orleans native well. Most jhc So. ic
dc.-cribe him as a quiet sort of / or ;„,.
a person, one who did not mix f , ^„^ "■■,
think this is the kind
that might ... he
KC gone about it in a
ell— a loner. He gave few th
opportunity to really under-. I^olu" •v;!,^
,,.'1jl;_'' ' 1 methon.cal
stcnd him. I kg ,^_j.^
But in a rare moment f'fikieeded to k.,„.,.
garrulousncss he gave one [
American such a chance. She Reports Dovetail
.vhatove
_bout Ttlifrxij
claimed io tc acting
name of.
] Hatred Detected
> "As he talked, you know,
/tot the idea that he didr
'Know Marxism at all well
'although he claijiied "he'd been
derstood
one point: "I have had practi-
cal experience in the world. I
am not an idealist completely.
I have had a chance to watch
military imperialism in action,"
Miss Johnson recalled.
, ,H r K Mr description dovetails ^^V.^j^^^;j^j;^/i;',^^,,;3- j,, j^^,,, ha5^een^rem1.ndous' p'oVe'nJ
fhrounh^'T'two'vea'/ stint 1^ ''''''' ''' '^^' ^^^^^^ ''''' ^''^ Ma. xism so poor^hat I knew in the United Slates, and he
as a correspondent for o" ^^^'^^} 20 of this year Os - — -' --- -" -'-
Miss Priscilla John
and
dovetails ''v,'!>:;"s " =^;!!".!i
prvillc. r.Xass.
■flic Masscirhustlls Cliicfs
of Police A5;so(')atEon szid .
SutHhiy (lie abS.-issin.-ilion of
Prcsirtciil KciMicdy accciils
a ntcd (or federal lc£islalion '
to control interstate sale of
tlrrarins.
Clilef Thomas J. CBricn
of Soinervillc, chsirniau of
the association's Icsislalive
conuiiittcc, asked Hep. Thom-
as O'Neill Jr. (D) of Slassa.
cliiisclts to
rodi;
the Nor'ih Amerit
Alliance.
Yspapcr
1 ;\Iosco\v
(he
•fro
Kcnn
ilh
said,
Intcrv
The time was i
ber, 1S59. The pla
Metropole. jMosco
hold for forcis'ic
Osv.ald had ai
Soviet Union on Oct. 30 that „isi as -Icii
th the announced inten
socking Soviet citizen
ship. -i , N.^.
" Massachusetts
asumcd
shot du
in Dall
bitter, Miss Johnson
isl "capitalism" and
"worker exploitation" in the
the United States— classic Commu-
Marxist phrases.
y But he never expressed any
7 hatred cf the presidency or of
. I John F. Kennedy, th
Senator.
Ten days later
now doing research at Harvardrjidn't V=c'ak"about "polilVcs
for a book, learned he wasVpersons'; way."
staying at the hotel and asked it V
he would give her an interview. Capability Indicated
He said he would, and they Durir^ their long convcrsa-
' talked quite freely for seven tion no:.".ing he said indicated
j hours. he favcred using murder as a
I The impression of Oswald politica; weapon.
I that emerges from that meeting "But from our conversation,
is one of a youn,- man inlenselv ' could sec that he was a man
bitter at the Uniicd States, who capable ot a whole lot" becau
displayed absolute single- "'.h'S f.aawing bilte
mindedness about v/hatcver he -2'°-
been hatred of had been shocked by the pli;
the United States, rather than °' 'he Negro."
a real understanding of what But again and again he re-
ho was doing" that motivated turned to theoretical .Marxism.
him to renounce his American "He said he'd become a Marx-
citizenship and attempt to be- 'st at 15," Miss Johnson re-
come a Soviet citizen. called.
"Also," she said, "he taught Bid (o Escape
himself to lead and write Rus- "."^fler five years of reading
sian from Berlitz [School ot socialist literature," he told her.
Languages], but he said he had "observing treatment of minor-
a lot ot trouble speaking it, ity groups (Communists, Ne-
and he seemed to be quite groes, and workers cspeciallv)
helpless. watching the treatment 'of
"He sat in his hotel room, workers in New York and sce-
and his mother would tele- ing how they're exploited — I'd
phone from Fort Worth and read about it in socialist litera-
not to detect, and he ture and thought the deserip
just ••
l! Icsislation. Mr. O'Neill's
8th District includes the city
of Somcrvillc.
"The present weaknesses'
in our laws thai permits
criminals and irresponsibl,
individuals to obtain fire-
arms from Avithout their
state of residence in order to',
circumvent the laws of that ,
state . . . must he remedied,"
.'Mr. O'Brien told Mr. C'.Vclll. :
The police chief's key pro- i
posal would "prohibit Iho
sale, rental, or lease ot 3,
firearm by dealers v.ithin the
atcs toi
stale wh
csident.i
of that
complicti
rules, and regulations of
their stale of residence per-
taining to the acquiring of 2
firearm."
The proposals would apply
pho
vouldn't
"My
olhc
he told h
ttempting to d . — . - _ - _ ■ ^ -,. ,*
to obtain Soviet has been a worker for her buy himself
citizenship! " whole lite.' She had to produce
Is this the sort of man who Profit tor the capitalists, and is
might have assassinated the a Eood example of what hap-
President' Pens to v/orkcrs in the United
... ,' ,.. , ^ „ . States." >i
Sm:lc-Minded Drive ••But," she added, "he
^ "It struck me," Miss Johnson wouldn't say what work she
A Trip (or Ice Cream
"He wouldn't go out at all
into Moscow. And he told me
that the one expedition he had
made had been to a children's
she store only one block away, and
he recalled that he'd
to gel there by hiii
tion was o.uite correct.
He indicated he wanted So-
viet citizenship primarily to
escape the United States society
he viewed in such a light.
"Since I'd cither be a worker
exploited for capitalist profit
n's [in the United States] or else
nd an exploiter," he had said, "I'd
;ed [have been] one of the uncm-
nd ployed" rather than assume
in the
! "he '
^^id, "that probably when
' Ncithci
ther role
owds." At the t
At this point he had been in /bitter against the Am(
the Soviet Union about 10 days. Embassy," she said, "be
e didn't know Russia, and (they would not allow h
•asn't \ci.v curious about take the oath renouncing hi
place," .she said, "even citizenship,
hough he was defecting to it." "They would not accept hi
Fidel Castro had been in passport until the Soviet Gov
expert lower in Cuba for almost a crnmcnt confirmed the {Tranl
ing to him of Soviet citizen- .
ship, and the Soviet Govern- ;
ment didn't. He was worried I
when I talked with him." !
Their talk was deep and cor- ,
dial. She found him troubled,
plausible, and unknowingly
^•^Hc-Hlver saw him again. J
He told her "once the Rus-
sians accepted him he would
give me his [full] story
He promised to con^c and talk *
with me before he jumped the
hotel and went to live as a
Russian,
to "About two days laler I went
down to Uic floor where he
lived and asked for him, and
they just threw up Ibcir hands
and said, 'He's gone.' He van-
ished without a trace*
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VII - 5(15)
December 5, 1963
PRISGILLA JOHX^SON'S RECOLLECTIONS OF
INTERVir:'.'' l-.ITH LEE IIARVEY OSWALD
Iin: MO^::^.C;^^ NOVEMBER 1959
(Miss Johnson's own thoughc nc baglnhing)
I have frequently thought about Oswald in connection with doing
an article on defectors to the Soviet Union. Most of the defectors
who came to Moscow while I was a correspondent there (1958-1960) came
because of personal troubles they were having at home. They did not
come or purport to come for reasons of ideology. Oswald was such an
exception to the general run of defectors that I had been thinking
about him ever since. I thought that the unideological quality of most
of the defectors was a symptom of what had happened to the Soviet Union
itself. It no longer seems to appeal to potential defectors for
ideological or idealistic reasons. The type of person who is attracted
to Soviet Russia today reveals a good deal about the Soviet Union
itself. The Russians had wanted one or two defectors from the United
States exhibition of 1959 to counter the negative propaganda they had
been suffering from the more or less frequent defection of East bloc
persons to the West. But they were not eager to have such defectors
as Oswald. They can take them or leave them and at a moment of history
like 1959 (the spirit of Camp David), could even be embarrassed by them.
The motives of a man like Oswald might be jejeune but they are more
idealistic than those of most defectors nowadays. Precisely because
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they are realistic, however, people like Oswald are tricky and hard to
handle. The Russians don't fully understand or trust the person who
comes to them out of self-styled idealistic motives. This may be a
mark of the Russians' own low self-esteem. But above all, it shows
how Soviet society itself has changed since the 1920 's or early 1930 's.
From experience, Soviet officials know that such a person can become
bitter and turn against them. A defector like Webster who came only
because he was trapped in an unhappy marriage at home and fell in love
with a Russian waitress is easier to deal with and not so hard on. the
hosts' self-esteem. Those were the thoughts I had about Oswald after
I had interviewed him, considerably after I interviewed him, but years
before the assassination; they were ideas I had noted down with the
aim of writing a piece on how the changing profile of the defector was
a clexj to the changing profile of Soviet society itself. I thought,
however, that I had not fully comprehended Oswald. As he was the key
to the piece and the inspiration of it, I had not written the article.
But I had thought of Oswald often.
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The interview took place about November 12th or 13th, 1959, on
what I believe was a Monday night.
Lee Harvey Oswald, 20, of Fort Worth, Texas, born in New Orleans,
went to the United States Embassy on October 31, and
JissolvcU i.iy /jucrican citizcuahip as much as they would
let me at that time--! did request that my citizenship be
dissolved. The Embassy officials did not allow me to swear
an oath renouncing citizenship. They refused to allow me
to take the oath at that time. They said they would not
allow me to act without confirmation of my Soviet citizen-
ship. I relinquished my passport and they would not act
unless my Soviet citizenship was confirmed.
This is what he said first. I asked him about the official Soviet
attitude and he said:
The Russians had confirmed that I would not have to
leave the Soviet Union or be forced to go even if the
Supreme Soviet refuses my request for Soviet citizenship.
They have said they are investigating the possibilities
of my continuing my education at a Soviet institute.
And then he said at 17 he had entered the Marine Corps and been dis-
charged in September, having spent 14 months in Japan, the Philippines,
Indonesia, and Formosa, that he was a radar operator, and that he had
finished his high school education in the Marine Corps. His birthdate
was October 18, 1939. He said he had been in the Marines 2 years,
9 months, 3 days, overseas 1 year, 2 months, 24 days. He said he had
been born in New Orleans, spent his childhood in Louisiana and Texas,
spent 2 years in New York, and then gone back to Louisiana, enlisted
in Dallas. He said his father died before he was bom. "I believe he
was an insurance salesman." (This, in response to my question as to
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what his father did. I v/as struck by his vagueness.) He said he had
one brother, that the Marines had given him a good conduct medal, and
that his mother was alive and living in Fort Worth. Then he said he
had started learning Russian a year ago "along vith my other preparations"
for coming to the Soviet Union. He said he had been able to teach
himself to read and write Russian from Berlitz but that he still had
trouble speaking the language. (I believe he spoke very little Russian
at that time.) I asked him what method of Berlitz was he using, was
he using text books, or was he actually attending classes, and he said
he had both practice in speaking the language and a teacher, but he
was either being vague or elusive as to how he learned Russian. Perhaps
he was bored with just telling me about that. I asked him how he
financed his trip to the Soviet Union and he said he came on money
which he saved while in the Marine Corps. I asked him if he had made
or was going to make any formal statement about his defection and the
reasons for it, and he said he would not. Hesaid that if the Embassy
had not told people about his defection (the American Embassy) he would
never have said anything to anybody. But since they had, he was giving
me an interview because
I would like to give my side of the story--! would like to
give people in the United States something to think about.
(In retrospect, that is an important remark. It may have some bearing
on his motives in the assassination. Also it reveals his sense that the
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Er.ibassy might be persecuting him, might be spreading unpleasant reports
abou^ him.) He said.
Once having been assured by the Russians that I would not
have to return to the United States, come what may, I assumed
it would be safe for me to give my side of the story.
(So long as he felt there was any chance that he might have to go back
to the United States, he apparently did not want to jeopardize his chances
of staying in the Soviet Union by talking to a foreign correspondent,)
Until they assured him that he could remain in the Soviet Union, "there
was always the possibility that my visa would not be extended," The
Russians had told him that a special law had to be passed by the Supreme
Soviet making him a Soviet citizen. There had been a Supreme Soviet
session in late October. It had taken no action on Oswald's citizen-
ship and he appeared disappointed by that and worried. He said that
Soviet officials had warned him that
It is not my wish nor even that of Soviet officials, but
the over-all political atmosphere, that will determine
whether I can become a citizen. My citizenship may take
years but I am safe in the Icnowledge that I can have a
prolonged stay.
Then I asked him what position the American Embassy had taken on his
defecting and he said:
They warned me about the trouble I could get into:
(1) At first they tried to discourage me; (2) I asked to
be allowed to take oath renouncing citizenship and they
made excuses so as to refuse to let me take the oath. They
said I should come back fully knowing that I cannot get
into the Embassy without a passport;
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(Oswald had handed in his passport t;o the Embassy, in fact he could
get into the Eiubassy as an obvious foreigner without the passport but
this v;hole passage is indicative of his bitterness at the Embassy)
(3) ac CUe Ciiae I became a flovio '- r.itis^en thon ^■'niy
government" (the Soviet government) v/ill handle my
■renunciation through the usual diplomatic channels.
Then I guess he said he was bitter that the American Embassy refused
to take his oath.
I was there on Saturday, October 31st. They re-
fused to take the oath on the ground that the consular
officer needed time to get the papers together.' I told
them I wanted to go through v/ith the formalities then and
there. I can't be too hard on them but they are acting
in an illegal way. He (the U.S. Consul) is supposed to
carry that formality through. On November 1st 1 wrote a
letter of protest to the American Ambassador on the way
Snyder carried out his duties and I get this letter back.
And then he quoted me the letter:
It is a principle of the American Government that
the right of expatriation is a natural and inherent right
of any person and that the manner prescribed by law for
the renunciation of American citizenship is the execution
of oath before a diplomatic or consular officer of the
United States in the established form.
You are again informed that you may appear at the
Embassy at any time during normil business hours and re-
quest that the Embassy prepare che necessary documents
for the renunciation of citizenship.
(I don't know whether he showed this letter to me or cited it from
memory.) Next, I asked him the attitude of the Russians. Were they
encouraging him or were they discouraging him to defect? He replied:
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The Russians are Creatine it like a lc3al formality.
The don't encourage you and they don't discourage you.
They do of course warn you that it is not easy to be ac-
cepted as a citizen of the Soviet Union. But even if I
am not accepted I would not consider returning to the
United States.
I then a^akud him about his financca, wlicti-.cr ho had bousht tha $30 a
day Intourist vouchers and whether he had been able to afford it. He
said he had bought ten days' Intourist vouchers. He said,
I am paying the standard room and food rate. I want to
make it clear that they are not sponsoring me (financially).
And he repeated "they are investigating the possibility of my studying."
He had indicated that he had been irapatient to get out of the l-larines
to come to Moscow and I asked him whether he had ever been tempted by
the idea of deserting the Marines. He said,
I didn't desert because (1) it is illegal; (2) for
financial reasons; and (3) you can't get a passport while
you are in the Marines.
I asked him why he hadn't resigned from the Marines since he was in
such a hurry to get to Russia, and he said "you can't resign of course
(he laughed rather bitterly at this point) --^ that is for officers."
He said, "I never seriously considered deserting," Then I asked him
(I guess I had in mind that he might be a publicity seeker), would you
mind if anybody ever knew about your deciding to defect? He replied;
My family and my friends in the Marines never know
my feelings about communism even though I spent 2 years
preparing to come here. These preparations consisted
mostly of reading. It took me two years to find out how
to do it.
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I asked him how he found out. He said it wasn't hard. I asked him if
anybody helped him. He refused to name any person or institution who
had helped him.
QvtPottani Did Infcourisfe know of hifi plane to defect at the tima
he arrived in the Soviet Union?
Answer: "I won't say."
But he said he had had an interview with an official of the Soviet
Government a few days after his arrival in Moscow. He would not say
who the official was or v/hat agency he represented. Oswald said he had
left New Orleans September 19th, he thought. Anyway it was a Friday, .
by ship. He had spent 12 days sailing to LeHavre, from there he booked
a flight to Helsinki where he bought vouchers at $30 a day, (This
implies he got a visa in Helsinki.) From Helsinki he went by train
to Koscow where for the first 10 days he had been living on Intourist
vouchers.
For the pas_C 2 years I have been waiting to do th_is
one thing. /Here he raised his voice and gestured_^/ For
2 years I was waiting to leave the Marine Corps and get
enough money to come. I have had practical experience in
the world. I am not an idealist completely. I have had a
chance to watch American railitarist imperialism in action.
He told me he had become a Marxist when he was 15. (My query -- why?)
I had discovered socialist literature at that time.
Then I spent 5 years reading socialist literature observ-
ing: the treatment of minority groups in America: Communists,
negroes, and the workers especially. Watching the treatment
of v/orkers in New York and observing the fact that they are
exploited. I had read about it in socialist literature and
I saw that the description given in this literature was quite
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correct. I sav I vould become either a vorker exploited
for capitalist profit or an exploiter, or, since there are
many in the category, I vould he one of the unemployed.
>^ decision was unemotional, and not set off hy any fight
vith my ATife since I have no vife. perhaps either I or
Embassy officials had told him that most defectors had
personal problems at home_^ At 15 I vas looking for some-
thing that vould give me the key to my environment. My
mother has been a vorker all her life. All her life she
had to produce profit for capitalists. She is a good
example of vhat happens to vorkers in the United States .
I asked him vhat her vork vas and he refused to say. Trying to
ascertain vhat he meant by his last remark I asked vhether his mother
vas old beyond her years or vorn out, and his reply vas "that is the
us\ial end of people in the United States, isn't it?" He added:
It's the end of everyone in every society. The
question is vhy they end up that vay, for vhom and under
vhat system they vork; surely it is the duty of everyone
to vork,
(Here he expanded on the idea that it is better to end up vorn and
tired vorking in the Soveit Union for the benefit of all of society
than to end up the same vay in the United States vorking for one
private employer. He prefaced his remarks vith "I don't claim to be
an intellectual genius.") Tlien he vent on in his philosophy;
I believe that sooner or later communism vill replace
capitalism. Capitalism is a defensive ideology, vhereas
comm\inism is aggressive. Communism is an ideology vhich
implants itself in every system and vhich grovs ,
In the next sentence he raised his voice:
I cannot live in the United States. I shall remain here,
if necess-ary, as a resident alien,
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I asked him vhat was this socialist literature he had" read.
He said rather wearily, "Marks and Engels." Which works by Marks
and Engels? "The standard works." I specifically asked if he had
read anything by Engels and he could not name any. Then he said
he had read works by American Comraunists . So I asked him to npme
what works and he again refused to say which works. (l have the
impression, in retrospect, that he had made a point of not naming
anyone who might have inspired him, either in person or by their
books, to defect, but that he had at least had advice from somewhere.
He seemed almost to hint at this . ) Then I asked him whether he had
ever seen anything of the American socialists or thought of trying to
reform American society through them? His reply was:
The American socialists are to be shunned by anyone
who is interested in progressive ideology. It is a
dormant, flag-waving organization.
Nor had he had any contact with the American Communists, he remarked.
He said emphatically: "I never saw a Communist in my life. Only
through reading Communist literature and observing American reality
did I conclude that Communism was best for me personally."
Then the conversation turned to reasons for his hatred of the
United States. These reasons were:
(l) Segregation . I was brought up like any southern
boy to hate negroes. Then (2) socialist literature opened
my eyes to the economic reasons for hating negroes. It is
so that wages can be kept low. (3) My experience in Japan
and the Philippines, where Americans are categorically hated
for their militarist imperialism . You'd expect to see it in
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Japan. But if you've ever seen the Naval Ease at Subic
Bay in the Philippines you'd know vha^t I mean.
Ho said he had sympathized vith Communist elements there and with
their hatred of Americans .
AiriQriccuaa look upon nl,! foreion poopXon as nomothing
to he exploited for profit. The only Filipinos who are
well off are those who cooperate with the Americans.
He said he had "been part of an Indonesian invasions force in March
1958 when there had been a
Communist inspired social turnover. We sat off the coast
loaded with ammunition and that was enough for me. Also
in the Suez crisis la 195^ we were told we might have to
go in..
So I asked him if this was how he felt about the Marines, why had
he joined in the first place? He said, "I went into the Marines be-
. cause we were poor and I didn't want to be a burden on my family."
I asked him his impression of living standards in the Soviet Union
and whether his first-hand observations had in any way effected his
convictions about socialism. And his reply was, "They don't have as
many hot water heaters and meat pies here but they will in 20 years,
through an economic system which is leaving the United States far
behind. Any material shortcomings I might see here caruaot influence
me to return." Then I must have asked him whether it was Soviet social
theory or Soviet successes, such as Sputnik and rapid industrialization,
that had attracted him most. He replied: "It is the social system, not
the successes, that attracts me." "At the same time, "he added, "the Soviet
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Union would undoubtedly surpass the United States in terms of
economic success." (During the course of the interview I had been
struck by the fact that he seemed to spend his days sitting alone
in his hotel room. He told me he had not wandered around the city
very much, and the only expedition he had made by himself had been
to Detsky Mir, a children's department store two blocks away, where
he said he had bought an ice cream cone or tea. He was impressed by
the size of the crowds there, and seemed rather proud that he had been
able to manage even so small an excursion. In other words, I got
the impression throughout the interview that he felt rather helpless
in Moscow, had seen very little of the city and in fact was markedly
uninterested in learning about everyday life, conditions or people
in the country he had striven so long to get to.)
I asked him what had struck him most in the Soviet Union and what
he had seen there. He had been struck by "the love of art for art's
sake" in the Soviet Union, As for what he had seen, he said he had
seen the usual tourist attractions, had been in peoples homes and seen
the whole city of Moscow. But he declined to name anything specific
and my impression was he had seen very little, so I asked him his
overall impression of Moscow.
Moscow is an impressive city because the energy put
out by the Government is all used toward peaceful and
ciiltural purposes. People here are so well-off and happy
and have a lot of faith in the future of their country.
Material poverty is not to be seen here.
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I, knoving many Russians vho vould have given anything to live in
the United States, asked him the reaction of any Russians he had
met vhen he told them his decision to defect. He said:
The Russians sympathize and understand. But they ask
mo why and a3?d very curious •* But thay understand vhen X
' speak of the idealistical /sicT" reasons that have hrought
me here, vhereas an American woiold not understand.
He stressed that these Russians that he had met were extremely in-
terested in the material situation of workers in the United States,
(l suspected a little that he wanted to "be treated as something rather
special and so I asked him if the Russians he met paid him any special
attention or made a "big fuss over him. His answer was "No. They
d. n't treat me as any celebrity. ")
These are my own observations in the course of the interview:
He had repeatedly referred to the Soviet Government as "my
Government." He said that because of his ann.oyance with the American
Embassy he would not set foot in the Embassy again. I must have
suggested it some point in the interview that he was defeating his
own purpose, that by refusing to set foot in the Embassy out of
pique, he was unable to take the oath renouncing citizenship. He
justified his refusal to set foot in the Embassy by saying:-
I have already axed /sic/ them to prepare the papers,
I am sure that if I did enter the Embassy they would just
give me the same run-around as before."
■ (it was in fact his refusal to go back to the Embassy to take the
oath that, so far as I know, made it possible forhim later to return tc
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the United States. I doubt that he vas consciously avare that he
vas leaving himself this loophole but he may have had some semi-
conscious awareness of it.) He stressed that it vould be an honor
to acquire Soviet citizenship. I must have asked him vhy in his
view the Embassy would be trying to give him what he called the run-
aro\md. He called it "a prestige and labor -^saving device." Again I
asked him the difference between exploitation of the wage earner in
the Soviet Union and the United States since both countries needed
capital for industrial investment and he had already agreed that
industrialization was a good thing. He replied that people in the
Soviet Union, as in the United States, get a wage. But the profit
they produce is used to benefit all the people, and not just a single
employer. They have an economic system that is not based on credit
or speculation.
My own note to myself in the stage of the interview which was
toward the end that he has a very primitive -understanding of economics.
Referring to his defection, he said "my reasons are very strong and
^od to me." He said he had given his passport to the American Embassy
along with both verbal and written statements. He said he did not
recommend defection for everybody. He said it meant "coming into a
new country, always being the outsider, always adjusting, but I know
now that I will never have to return to the United States, I believe
I am doing right." He said he had been a Marine private, had to get
out before his three years were over, had been discharged September 11
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"because of dependency, that his mother vas ill, that her situation
vas the climax of that of the working person in the United States,
that her health vas poor and that she vas living in Fort Worth vith
his "brother. He said that she had been trying to phone him in his
room at the Metropole hotel, "begging him not to defect, but that
he just let the telephone ring. ,
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m ivios
by
Priscilla Johnson
What a long, private interview revealed
to one reporter about the troubled
personality of President Kennedy's
accused assassin.
^LJ'n a frosty November evening four years ago,
I sat in my Moscow hotel room while a twenty-
year-old American explained in a soft Southern
accent his desire to defect to Russia. With his
pale, rather pleasant features and his dark flannel
suit, the young man looked like any of a dozen
college boys I had known back home. His name
was Lee Harvey Oswald.
I had sought him out a few hours earlier on
the advice of an American colleague in Moscow.
A boy named Oswald was staying at my hotel, the
Metropol, my friend remarked casually. He was
angry at everything American and impatient to
become a Soviet citizen. "He won't talk to any of
as," my colleague added, suggesting that, as a
■/Oman, I might have better luck.
An American defector was always good copy
for a reporter in Moscow, and I had knocked,
rather timidly, at Oswald's room late that after-
noon. After what I had been told, I fully expected
to be turned away. Instead the young man who
opened the door readily assented to an interview.
He promised with a smile that he would be at my
]:oom at nine o'clock in the evening.
He came at nine and stayed until two or three
in the morning. Throughout our conversation he
sat in an armchair, sipping tea from a green
ceramic mug. More tea bubbled softly on a tiny
electric burner in the corner. Except for a small
gesture of one hand or an occasional tightening
of the voice, Oswald's manner was unemphatic.
His words seemed chosen to rule out even a hint
of emotion. Yet in the notes I made as we talked
I find, years later, the repeated marginal reminder
to myself, "He's bitter."
In spite of his conventional appearance, I found
Oswald, from the outset, extraordinary. From ex-
perience I knew just how formidable the long
trip from the United States to Moscow can be,
even if the traveler has money and a command
of the Russian language. Here was a boy of twenty
who, with only the money he had been able to
save in less than three years as a Marine Corps
private, had come six thousand miles with no
thought but to live out his life in a country he
had never seen, whose language he knew only
slightly, and whose people he knew not at all. It
was, I thought, a remarkable act of courage or
folly.
I was touched by something homemade about
him : the way he had tried, as he told me, to teach
himself Russian alone at night in his Marine Corps
barracks, using a Berlitz grammar; and how he had
been reading economics on his own ever since he
had discovered Marx's Daa KapitcU at the age of
fifteen. I saw him as a little lost boy and, as such
boys often are, rather lonely and proud.
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Finally, Oswald impressed me because he was
{lie first and, .is it turned out; the only "ideo-
logical" defector I met in Moscow. Of the two or
three other American defectors I encountered,
none claimed to be motivated by a belief in com-
munism. All appeared to be fleeing some obvious
per.sonal difficulty, such as an unhappy marriage
back home. "My decision is not an emotional one,"
Oswald insisted. He was acting, he maintained,
fldlely eut ot an Intellectual cenvletlen that Marx-
ism was the only just way of life. For this alone
he was memorable. In the months, and years, that
followed our conversation, I had thought of him
often, hoping one day to write a profile of this
highly unusual defector. I, never wrote it, how-
ever, for I felt that the key to this curious boy
had eluded me.
Dismally Lonely
J. have suggested that nothing about Osw.ild was
more striking than his burial of the emotional
factor — a denial, almost, that he had any feelings
at all. And yet, looking back, I have two conflicting
recollections. One is that he was struggling to
hide his feelings from himself. The other is of
emotion that would not be hidden. It was the
counterpoint between the two, I suppose, that
gave me a sense that there were gaping chinks in
his armor and that he was too frail, psychologi-
cally, for what he had set out to do.
Among the feelings Oswald could not conceal
was anxiety as to whether Kremlin officials would
grant his request for Soviet citizenship, and
whether his funds would stretch until he could go
to work or become a state-supported student at a
Soviet technical institute. Another was< anger,
directed mainly, at the time, against officials of
the U. S. Embassy in Moscow. These officials,
Oswald felt, had stalled him when he tried to take
an oath renouncing his American citizenship.
Here the tension between his feelings and his
effort to suppress them became articulate: "I
can't be too hard on them. But they are acting in
an illegal way."
He also felt strongly about his mother. About
his childhood Oswald was reticent to the point of
mystery. He would only say that he grew up first
in Texas and Louisiana and had then gone for two
years to New York City with his mother. He
refused even to say what section of the city he
had lived in. Of teachers, or of friends he had
played with there, he said not a word. Only that,
in New York, "I had a chance to watch the treat-
ment of workers, the fact that they are exploited.
I had been bi'ought up, like any Southern boy, to ■
hate Negroes." When, at fifteen, "I was looking
for a key to my environmerjt, I discovered socialist
literature. I saw that thg description it gave of
capitalist conditions was quite correct. It opened
my eyes to the economic reasons for hating
Negroes : so that wages eiin be kept low. I became
a Marxist." To me, it^ was as though Oswald
wanted to convince us both that he had never
had a childhood, that he had been all his life a
machine, calibrating social justice.
About his father he was so evasive that I was
nonplused. "My father," he told me, "died before
I was born. I believe he was an insurance sales-
man." That was all. Not another word could I
pry out of him.
He sounded quite different when it came to his
mother. She was ill, (^wald told me, living in
Fort Worth with hla brother. "My mother has
been a worker all her li^e," he went on, "having to
produce profit for capitalists. She's a good ex-
ample of what happens to workers in the United
States." He refused to specify what work she
had actually been doing. I asked whether his
mother was disillusioned, like him, or worn-out
beyond her years? "That's the usual end of people
in the United States, isn't it?" he countered. Then
came the denial of his own indignation. "It's the
end of evei*yone, in any country. It's a question of
why they end up that way. For whom and under
what system they work." In spite of Oswald's
effort to depersonalize, to blame his mother's suf-
fering on Marxist "social processes," I felt that
'here was a bitterness too deep for tears. Shortly
after this he remarked: "I cannot live in the
United States, so I shall remain here, if necessaiy,
as a resident alien." Earlier he had told me that
even if Soviet officials refused to grant his appli-
cation for citizenship, "I would not consider re-
turning to the United States." Throughout the
interview he referred to the Soviet government
as "my government."
Since Oswald had traveled thousands of miles
to build a new life in Russia, I expected that he
would be wasting no time learning all he could
about the country. He would be anxious, I as-
PrisciUa Johnson ihay be the only person who
kneic both John F. Kennedy and Lee Oswald. After
gettinp her M.A. in Soviet studies at Harvard, she
n'orUcd for a short time in 1953 in the office of
Senator Kennedy as his researcher on Southeast
Asia. Her meeting with Osxoald occurred during
her ttoo-year stay in Moscow as correspondent
for North American Newspaper Alliance. She is
note in Cambridge, Massachusetts, at work on two
books on Soviet affairs.
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 6 — Continued
308
48
OSWALD IN MOSCOW
8umed, to sec how tHe socialist economic theories
he believed in were working out in practice. That
was where I had my biggest surprise. The life
he was leading in Moscow was a dismally lonely
one. Most of each diiy he spent sitting alone in his
hotel i-oom waiting for the telephone to ring. If
he thought it was his mother calling from Fort
Worth to beg him to come home, he wouldn't
answer. Every time it rang, though, he hoped it
was some Soviet ofllclal calling to announce that
his request for citizenship had been granted.
Oswald seemed to feel helpless in the Russian
language. "I was able to teach myself to read
and write," he said. "But I still have trouble
speaking." The only expedition he had taken on
his own in nearly a month in Moscow had been a
walk to Detsky Mir, a children's department store
only two blocks from our hotel. He seemed proud
that, in the scramble of Soviet shoppers, he had
managed to elbow his way to the fourth floor
buffet and buy himself an ice cream cone. He
insisted that he had seen the "whole city of
Moscow" and "the usual tourist attractions." But
he would not name a single landmark he had
actually visited. For all his struggle to get to
Moscow and his efforts to stay, he appeared to
lack even the curiosity of the ordinary American
tourist.
Although Oswald claimed that he had visited
Russians in their homes, his vagueness left me
uncertain as to whether he had actually struck
up a single unofficial friendship. He would only
say; "Moscow is an impressive city because the
energy put out by the government is all used
toward peaceful and cultural purposes. People
her are so well off and happy and have so much
faith in the future of their country. Material pov-
erty is not to be seen here." These generalizations
and, above all, Oswald's ovra walled-in existence
led me to conclude that he was strangely blind.
Not only was he not looking at the life all
around him. He was making an heroic effort not
to see it.
I had a similar surprise when it came to his
grasp of Marxist economics. For hours we dis-
cussed this; apart from his defection, it was the
topic that seemed to interest him most. Worried
about him now, I tried to warn him of the dis-
ar_ ointment which I felt he might encounter
once he came in contact with Soviet life as it
really is. I argued that there are poverty and in-
justice in any country, including the Soviet Union,
which is undergoing rapid industrialization. The
worker has to be paid less than the value of what
he has created if there is to be capital for new
investment. Oswald agreed. To him, however, the
social system for vhich this injustice is endured
was the crucial thipg. Soviet workers, like Ameri-
cans, he observed, %re paid a wage. But the profit
they produce is us^d to benefit all [here he gave
one of his rare ^vea for emphasis] of the
people. They have -an economic system that is
not based on credit and speculation." Somehow,
after listening awhUe, I concluded that his views
were rigid and naive, and that he did not know
his Marxism very well.
In one sense, however, his outlook seemed to
fit that of orthodox Marxism. Not once in all our
hours of conversation did Oswald so much as
mention a single political leader, not President
Eisenhower, nor Fidel Castro, nor then Senator
John F. Kennedy, nor Josef Stalin, nor Nikita
Khrushchev,' nor anybody else. If he saw indi-
vidual statesmen as either heroes or villains, he
certainly gave no sign. On the contrary. For him
impersonal Marxist social categories — "exploita-
tion of the worker," the "capitalist system of
profits," "militarist imperialism" — were explana-
tion enough of the world's ills.
Destroying an Abstraction
i3 ince this brings us to the assassination, I am
impressed by the terrible irony of that deed, if
Oswald was, in fact, the assassin. For Marxism
has traditionally rejected assassination as a
weapon of political struggle. According to Marx-
ist philosophy, those whom we call leaders only
appear to lead. In reality it is they who are led by
the historical forces around them. The latter, in
turn, are determined by the economic modes of
production. Thus, in the view of Lenin, assassina-
tion was at best irrelevant. I doubt that Oswald
was aware that he was violating Lenin's writings
on individual terror when — and if — he pulled the
trigger last November 22. I suspect, rather, that
he was not Marxist enough to realize that his was
the ultimate anti-Marxist act.
I should like to make another observation that
is outside my recollections. Oswald's defection to
Soviet Russia could, as it happened, have been a
dry run for the assassination, if he was — again —
the assassin. For both actions he had to acquire
a skill: in the one case, Russian, which he had
learned imperfectly at the time I met him ; in the
other, marksmanship, which he evidently mas-
tered much better. Both deeds took months to
prepare. For the first he spent, as he told me, two
years saving money, learning how to get cheaply
to Russia, where to apply for a Soviet visa
(Helsinki), and how to go about contacting the
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 6 — Continued
309
proper Soviet officials once he arrived in Moscow.
For the later deed he had to purchase a rifle in-
conspicuously, wait for Kennedy to visit Dallas
and for a route to be announced, arrange to
station himself along it without arousing sus-
picion, and so forth. Lee Oswald was a failure
at nearly everything he tried. But two supremely
difficult feats he did accomplish. I saw two quali-
ties in him that could have been crucial to his
8ueees8 In eueh; singrlo^^indodneBs and aeei'etlve>
neas.
"For the past two years," Oswald told me,
raising his voice a little, "I have been waiting to
do this one thing [defect to Russia]. For two
years I was waiting to leave the Marine Corps."
Throughout those two years, during which he had
been saving money and learning the mechanics
of defection, he had been so single-minded that
he had oven tnkon cnre to "form no emotional
attachments" to girls, since such attachments
might weaken his resolve.
Throughout those two years, moreover, he evi-
dently concealed his intention to defect from all
wh'^ were closest to him. No one at home suspected
which way his ideas were tending even when, at
the age of fifteen, he began reading Marxist
literature. "My family and my friends in the
Marines," he explained, "never knew my feelings
about communism." Yet he had harbored those
feelings for five years, and for the past year
had been studying Russian at night in a Marine
Corps barracks with inquisitive buddies all
around him!
If Oswald was seci'etive about his personal life,
refusing even to reveal to me how his mother
earned a living, what section of New York City
he had lived in, or how many brothers he had,
he was equally evasive about the circumstances
of his defection. He declined, for example, to say
whether he had informed Intourist, the Soviet
travel agency, of his intention to remain in
Russia, how much he was paying for his room at
the Metropol, who, if anyone, back in the United
States had advised him on how to go about defect-
ing, what Soviet government agencies he was
dealing with in his request for citizenship, or
even what books by American communist authors
he had read. While discretion was no doubt ap-
propriate in response to some of these questions,
he was, I felt, making mountains of secrecy where
other boys might have made a molehill. This tight-
lipped, conspiratorial attitude that was already so
pronounced when I met him could, however, have
been invaluable during the long months prepar-
ing for the act of November 22.
To enter again into the realm of speculation, I
bij Priscilla Johnson 49
should like to mention that from the moment he
was arrested on November 22 it seemed to me
unlikely that Oswald would confess to shooting
the President. Unless, of course, his resistance
were broken by extraordinary methods. If I
understood him at all, I believe that refu.nal to
cooperate with authority, expressed in a refusal
to confess, would have been nearly as much a part
of the social protest h€ was trying to make as the
act of assnsalnatlon Itiielf, In my oplnl«n, tho two
would have gone inseparably together.
Another of the ironies in which this case
abounds has to do, it seems to me, with Oswald's
attitude toward Kennedy as a man. I believe that
Oswald may well have been less jealous of
Kennedy's dazzling personal attributes — his
wealth and good looks, his happy fortune in
general — than many men to whom the idea of
fihooting the President never even occurred.
Oswald was preoccupied with himself, not with
other men. The good fortune of others, their
riches and fine features, did not define him to
himself as poor or ugly. Less than many men did
Oswald strike me as "desiring this man's art
and that man's scope." I believe that the John
Kennedy he killed was not, to him, another
human being who was richer and better endowed
than he, but a surprisingly abstract being, a
soulless personification of authority. (In a scorn-
ful aside about Marine Corps officers Oswald indi-
cated to me his contempt for anyone in authority
over him.) That Kennedy, perhaps more than any
world leader of his time, happened also to wear
authority with a gaiety and grace that might well
have aroused the envy of others is probably be-
side the point in assessing the motives of Lee
Harvey Oswald.
The Desire to Stand Out
XnJ matter how steadfastly he might have re-
sisted the efforts of his inquisitors to break him
down, I believe that Oswald yearned to go down
in history as the man who shot the President.
Even if he would not and could not confess, he
had, at least, to be caught. For if there was one
thing that stood out in all our conversation, it was
his truly compelling need — could it have been a
response to some childhood humiliation? — to
think of himself as extraordinary. A refusal to
■ confess, expressed in stoic and triumphant silence,
would have fitted this need. In some twisted way,
it might also have enabled him to identify with
other "unjustly" persecuted victima, such as Sacco
and Vanzetti and the Rosenbergs.
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 6 — Continued
310
50
OSWALD IN MOSCOW
While in one sense Oswald may have wanted to
go down in history with a question mark over his
guilt, surely in another sense he had to be marked
for all time as the man who killed President
Kennedy. Conflicting as these two needs — to be
caught, yet not to c0nfess — may appear, in reality
they were part of a single compelling desire:
the desire to stand out from other men.
To the trained psychiatric eye this desire must,
I believe, have been written nil over Leo Oitwuld.
It became apparent to me, however, only after I
had asked several questions arising from a sus-
picion I had that, for all his unassuming appear-
ance, Oswald was merely another publicity seeker.
How, I asked, did ordinary Russians view his
defection? "The Russians I meet," he replied,
"don't treat me as any celebrity." Somehow the
way he said it made me feel that to himself, Lee
Oswald really was a celebrity.
Later on, I asked Oswald if he would suggest
defection as a way out for other young men who,
like himself, might be dissatisfied with conditions
back home? "I don't recommend defection for
everyone," he warned.
It means, he went on, "coming to a new
country, always being the outsider, always
adjusting." Lesser men, he seemed to imply,
might not be up to it. But he was.
As a means, however, of proving his "different-
ness," if that is what it was, defection seemed to
have failed Lee Oswald. Back in Texas, people
forjfot ull about him. Even amonsr tho RuHHluna,
he ceased after a while to stand out as a curiosity.
To be marked as the extraordinary person he
needed to be, he had to perform a yet more
memorable, and outrageous, act.
That Oswald did, in fact, see himself as ex-
traordinary came out unexpectedly when I asked
him why he had been willing to grant me an
interview at all. I expected a simple response.
That he was homesick, maybe, and wanted some-
one to talk to. Instead, he surprised me. "I would
like," he replied, "to give the people of the United
States something to think about."
The Man from the Alaska Highway
by William Stafford
SOME rainy mornings before citizens get up
a foreigner in a white raincoat wanders
the schoolground, appearing and reappearing,
putting mushrooms in a plastic sack sopped with rain.
I watch through my dim window
wavy with water from the eaves.
He's a road builder. He told me once
the more a big freeway seems to wander in level
country the more planned it is: "A straight
road puts drivers to sleep. The knack is
to find the curve and lean the driver's
shoulder needs to find."
Geese came over last night.
Once he told me the Yukon bends millions
of dollars worth, even without any gold.
I looked at a map and saw that Alaska, the way
it happens along, can never — no matter what
anyone says — be just a state.
Today I went out at first light.
The road builder wasn't around, but I
leaned with my umbrella and saw
hundreds of mushrooms, almost hidden,
gleaming here and there,
nudging up through the playground.
Harper's Magazine, April 1964
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 6 — Continued
311
FD-aoa (B.T.3-3-S9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIf flON
Dec«iib«r 6, 1963
Data
SPEEDY JOHNSON, 5136 Horsftshoe Trail, Dallas, Texas,
furnished the following IrsformAtion:
On Saturday, November ?3* 1963, JOHNSON and a friend,
IVAN T. MUNDY, were at the Turf Bar^ Ic-ated at 1515 Commerce
Street, Dallas, Th«y had arrived at th«! Turf Bar at approximately
1:15 p.m, and had had on© or two b<s<^rB •i<iih<9>n ^ friend, FRANK
BELLOCCHIO, came Into the bar. He had with him a copy of the
full page ad which had appeared In the Dallas newspaper on the
dsy President KENNEDY arrived in Dallas, which in substance was
highly critical of the President. JOHNSON was reading this
article aloud while they were seated at the bar and he and
MUNDY were discussing the article wheo, a ma-ii approached them
from behind ar-d rerarked th-»,t he had already be'n to the
newspaper offlca co:nc»rnJlng the article which JOHIvrSON was
reading. At this tlm* the individual also displayed to JOHNSON
ar.d r^NDY three polaroid photoRrsphs of a billboard calling
for the impeachment of Chiaf Jusi-ice WARREN. He indicated
that he had Just taken these photographs and mentioned a
location probably in north Dallas where the billboard was
located. There was also som.e discussion at this time concerning
bum,per stickers calliiig for the impreachment of Chief Justice
WAPfiEN and the ir.dlvldua.l who had apprijached JOHNSON and MUNDY
becam* rather excited and m.ade some remarks indicating he had
not k-Dwn these stickers hsd been on display in the Dallas
area for a considerable length of time. The individual made
other remarks^, exact nature not recalled, indicating that he
was highly insensed at the critic 5 sm of Freaident KENNEDY.
This individual then left and El.J'^H SOLOMON, operator of the
Turf Bar then told JOHNSON and MUNDY that the indlvidiial who
h«d been talking with them was JACK RUBY.
JOHNSON said that neither he nor MUNDY had not 8«en
JACK RUBY prior to this time or since and could furnish no
additional Information conc«mlng RUBY.
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Captain 0, A. JONES, Forgery oureau^ i/tu-xaa j:uj.xv;c
Department, advised that on Novemher a^l-, 19^3^ sGuletime shortly
before noon, acting under the instructions of, Assistant Chief
M. W. STEVENSON, he reported to the basement of the City Hall
building^ along with all available detective^ from various burea\is
of the Police Department on the third floor. He stated his in-
structions were to help in securing area for the transportation
of LEE HARVEY OSWALD from the Dallas City Jail to the Dallas Coxinty '
Jail. JONES stated that specific instructions given him were to see
that the armored truck, which was to transport OSWALD, was placed
into position in the basement. JONES stated that additional specific •
instructions from Chief STEVENSON and Chief BATCHELOR were to use
the detectives vmder their supervision to keep the press and news
media east of the basement driveway. JONES stated he instructed
officers in getting- press media back from the pertinent area' and in
keeping everyone back after this area was cleared.
JONES stated that subsequently Chief STEVENSON advised
him that the armored truck is too' large to get all the way down the
ramp, and that they were going to place two cars behind the truck,
which was to remain at the entrance of the ramp facing Commerce Street.
JONES stated, accordingly, at this time two cars were moved onto the.
ramp behind the truck, and it was necessary for officers to clear the
path for these cars to pull onto the ramp from the underground parking
area and to back into position at the corridor entrance. JONES stated
at this time he was standing approximately on the east side of the ramp
and a little south at the point where the corridor enters the ramp
or driveway. Someone said, "Here he comes." JONES assiimed this was
with reference to the prisoner and, accordingly, turned towards the
car to be sure no unauthorized personnel approached them and that the
stationed officers were in the area. He stated he then lookeii. back
toward the east,-^^ which time he heard a shot. He did not see the
actual shooting and had not seen JACK RUBY. in the pertinent area. He
stated he knew JACK RUBY some ten or twelve years ago, but did not
know him well. JONES stated he had definitely not seen RUBY in the
City Hall building during the pertinent period of November 22-23, 19^3 •
JOKES adde'd that when he had heard the shot he immediately
shouted to officers to seal the exits and he ran to the acene of the
shooting and observed RUBY in custody.
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Jones (O. A.) Exhibit No. 5054
NO U-1639
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\uider his supervision were to protect the pertinent area and to let no
one in the area. They were to protect prisoner?/ and officers and were
to allow no picture taking in the restricted airea. JONES added that he
does not know the reason for the sectirlty falling down.
Jones (O. A.) Exhibit No. 5054 — Continued
325
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"Mr. J. E. Curry,
Chief of Police
"November 26, I963
"Subject: Shooting of Lee Oswald
"Sir:
"On Sunday^ November 24, 1963, at around 11AM,
Deputy Chief Stevenson approached me in the administra-
tion offices and directed me to place two officers
at the Commerce Street entrance to the ramp leading
into the basement of the City Hall. He said to instruct
these two officers that an armored truck was enroute
and for them to assist the truck back as far as possible
down the ramp into the City Hall. He also told me to
take any remaining detectives that were available on
the third floor to the basement and place them any
place they were needed in the basement to supplement .'
the officers already stationed. Most of the detectives
had previously been sent to the basement. I entered
-<iSich of the bureaus except Homicide and Robbery and
told the duty officer to have any available officers
to report outside the Jail office and went to the
basement. Two or three detectives accompanied me and
remained near the Jail office. I went to the head of -j
the ramp on Commerce Street and informed Patrolman
Jez and one other patrolman to remain there and keep
the way clear and to assist the armored truck in
backing into the City Hall. I informed Captain Talbert
of these instructions.
"I then returned to near the Jail office and
stationed some of the detectives'^at the doors leading .
into the building proper, and not'iced the Press Media
was inside the Jail off ice, but outside the admitting
desk. I saw Assistant Chief Batchelor and Deputy
Chie^^evenson and called Chief Batchelor 's attention
to the people in the Jail office.. I accompanied him ^
inside and upon his instructions this area was cleared,.
Upon leaving the Jail office we also had all persons
except security personnel moved north of a line
running east from the brick comer of the Jail office
to the railing on the opposite side and on a line
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326
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"from this point running east to the exit lanes for
oars from the basement to the ramp itself.
"Deputy Chief Stevenson then approached and said
there had been a change in plans and, as the truck
could not get into the City Hall, they were going to
!use two cars. At this time two police cars were
started and brought up onto the ramp. Several officers
had to move to allow the cars to get onto the ramp.
I had given instructions to all officers near the Jail
office and at the doors to allow no one in the area
from the jail to the cars and on down the route the
prisoner woiild take, and that the press would not be •
allowed to approach or even to attempt to converse
with the prisoner, and that no one was to follow until
after the cars left the basement,
"I was about midway between the corner of the
Jail office and the back of the car on the ramp,
when someone shouted "here he comes]', I turned to
walk to the car on the ramp to make sure the way was
clear and that officers were stationed on each side
of the cars and all the way down the east side of the
ramp to the cars. I saw officers along the route and
officers on each side of the ramp near the cars and
at the top of the ramp. I also saw Chief Stevenson on
the ramp, so I turned to Watch the parking area in the
basement of the City Hall, when I heard a shot. This
was sometime shortly before noon, but I don't remember
the exact time. I turned toward the sound of the
shot which had come from my left and to my rear. I
shouted to the officers to bar all exits and all ramps.
I saw the officers closing the exits and went toward
the scuffle where apparently officers had a nan in
custody. As I approached the center of the scuffle
several voices said 'It was Jack Ruby'. I do not
know who said this, but as the prisoner was on his
feet by this time. I could see he was Jack Ruby, whom
Xj/'had known 10 or 12 years before as the owner of Ithe ^
Silver Spur, a nightclub on South Ervay. I told :the
officers to take him to the Jail and then had other
officers assist Lt, Swain in keeping the crowd in
the designated area., I assisted in this measure until ']>
after the ambulance left with Oswald and I then returned Jq\
to the third floor after Instructing the officers on ^!m^^
/a3
Jones (O. A.) Exhibit No. 5055 — Contiiuietl
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"tha doors to lot g^ly persons with Identlfloation
come to the third floor. After returning to the
third floor, I' assisted in the administration offices.
"I had not seen a man that I recognized as
Jack Ruby in the City Hall during the period of the
investigation, until after the shooting in the base- .
ment.
"Respectfully,
Vs/
"O.A. JONES^
Captain of Police
Forgery Bureau"
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Jones (O. A) Exhibit No. 5055— Continued
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D^o2 (R.». s-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
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0. A. JONES, CapCain of Police, Forgery Bureau,
Dallas Police Department, Dallas, Texas, furnished the
following information freely and voluntarily to Special
Agents EDWARD J. MABEY and KENNETH P. HUGHES, who identi-
fied themselves to him as Special Agents of the FBI. Re
was immediately advised of the nature of the investigation;
that he did not have to make any statement, and that any
statement he made could be used against him in a court of
law. JONES was also advised of his right to counsel. ' 7
Prior to 11:00 AM, on November 24, 1963, he
was in the administration offices in the Police & Courts
Building performing administrative duties. A little -^
before 11:00 AM, Deputy Chief STEVENSON told JONES to x^^
place two officers at the entrance of the Commerce Street • "^ '^
ramp to help and assist the armored car that was en route. ^"^^^
STEVENSON also advised JONES to take any remaining detectives ^o"^
that were available on the third floor to the basement and
place them where needed. JONES and two or three other de-
tectives, names unknown, went to the basement where JONES
placed Patrolman JEZ and one other unidentified patrolman
at the entrance of the ramp on Commerce Street. He also
advised Captain TALBERT of the Chief's instructions on
placing these two patrolmen at the entrance of the ramp
and advised that they were not to be moved. JONES placed
twQ detectives, names unknown, at the jail office door.
JONES noticed that there were newsmen inside the jail ^ ,
office and called this to the attention of Assistant Chief vJ^-^
BATCHELOR and Deputy Chief STEVENSON. JONES, Chief ^>^^
BATCHELOR and some other officers removed the newsmen from N \J
the inside of the jail office and then continued moving '^
these individuals down the hallway and into the basement
area. JONES was aware of an automobile driving up the
Main Street ramp in the \in:ong direction during the process
of moving the press back. He later found out that the
driver was Lieutenant R. PIERCE ^ At ^this point. Chief
STEVENSON approached JONES and Stated that there had been
a change in plans and that two automobiles were now going
to be used. 'These automobiles were located behind the
press line and were started up and ha!d to drive through the
press line to get into position. JONES >assisted in holding
back the press lines during this process and gave instructions
to all. officers near the jail of fice and the doors to a],\c>^-7 r'.n
^.No.5056 JONES,O.A. Depositioiu.
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by Special Agent c FmAPD T, MARTTV f, VFWNn?TH P Dot. dictated 1?/?/6^ .
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mLlV^^ ^^A Su^^^S^'' ""^^ ^° ^^^^- After the shooting
JONES learned that Detective CHARLIE BROWN was the driver
of the first automobile and Detective DHORITY, initials
believed, to, be C. T.. was the driver of the second autLo-
,u r. ^ JONES was walking up "the Commerce Street ramo
unfLntn-f^S^^^r.^^N^"^ ^^^' "«^^^ ^^ comes," IromS
b^.-^r^^^^^^ ^S'^^^'i^^^^- '^^^ P^li^^ lines were again
n^t?^ re-formed and JONES turned and gave orders to the
policement: in the vicinity not to let anyone follow ^t
prisoner up the ramp. JONES noticed that Chief STEVENSON
was across the ramp and further on up the ramp from him^Pl f
^''^ "^^^^nS^o^^^^^^^ "BLACKIE" HARRISON was irthe general
fyr-^T.-^^^^ then turned to watch the crowd and the police
^Sscuf^lel ?rth/ '^r '%^^^ ^''^' ^^ turned anrsaw^
i:wo scuttles in the center of the ramp and, at this no^n^
gave the order to seal the exits and ?amps He then^ap^ '
proached the area where the scuffles were taking p!ace
noticing at this point that the second automobile was '
closer to the jail door than he realized as he h!d ?o go
around it to get to the scene of the scuffle? A^he af ^
proached this scene, he heard two or three unidentified
s:er\uBY':L'in"?b^ JACK RUBY Upon hil arrivarftihe
nl^el'hf cL^ot recaU.'"''"^^ "' ^"^ detectives whose
At this point, JONES noted that Lieutenant SWAIN
of the Burglary & Theft Bureau, was having trouble holding
back the crowd and JONES gave the order to get the prisoner
back in jail and to help Lieutenant SWAIN. JONES, himself
helped Lieutenant SWAIN and thereafter went into the jail *
office where he saw OSWALD on the floor with a bullet V70und
in his stomach slightly under his left rib cage. JONES
then left the jail office and noted that at this time the
ambulance was arriving. He saw OSWALD taken out of the jail
office and put into the ambulance and the ambulance start
up the ramp. JONES noticed there was a slight delay from
the time that OSWALD was placed in the ambulance and the
time that it left the ramp, due to the armored car still
being located on the ramp, JONES then placed two officers
Jones (O. A) Exhibit No. 5056— Continued
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m the swinging doors just outside the jaxl offxce ar;d
iidvised them to let persons leave who had proper identiti-
i^ation. At this point or just after he arrived on the
-hird floor, JONES told Lieutenant R. E. KG KIK^^EY to get
:en detectives and go to Parkland Hospital. JONES, himself,
lid not see the shooting,
JONES stated that he did know RUIiY and had
Imown him prior to 1952, when he ran the Silver Spur,
i night club on South Ervay, He stated that prior to
L952 he V7as a Lieutenant covering this district and had
^one into the Silver Spur, at the most, six times loolcing
cor white subjects. JONES stated he lcnev7 the name JAC.C
IU3Y, but stated it was doubtful he could connect the name
7ith the individual without seeing his face. JONES stated
le never worked for JACK RUBY and he did not know the names
Df any other officers who did.
JONES estimated there were more than fifty
people other than officers in the basement and that there
jere tv70 television cameras in operation and one not in
operation. He did not know the names of any of these in-
dividuals ,
Due to the fact that JOl^S was recalled frcm
vacation, he was not present at any briefing on the
security measures that were to be in effect in the basement
on November 24, 1963. JONES knew that the officers in the
basement vjere stopping individuals and aslcing for identifi-
cation and, in fact, he, himself, was stepped and asked to
produce his identification by a reserve officer. He Imev?
of no unauthori7'="^ person in the basement, with the exception
of JACK RUBY,v;?i> 4 .e saw after the shooting. Ke did not
see JACK RUBY in the basement or talld.ng to any individual-
prior to the shooting. Re did not see JACK RU5Y at any time
between November 22 and 24, 1963. He stated he is currently
Siding- im investigation of £'^y relationship between RUBY
and OSWALD by i SA'S JAMES W. BOOKHOUT and GEORGE W. R.
CARLSON, of the FBI, but had no knowledge of any relation-
ship between RUBY and OSWALD prior to their current investiga
tion.
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Upon landing at thp airiiort in San Antonio, thu^.-^day, nov. 21, we arrived
thi're at 12:30 ?."■., exactly 2'+ hours and a Minute before^ thn ^President v/as
to he shot. Onr prsss pl-ine arrived a_.;ii-o>:i 'lately ore honi- l/'^fo^e the Presi-
dent, We arrived there also hefore. Air 7orcf 2, the plane bearin;^ the Congress-
-ien„ w'e got thci^e in a Pan-Amoricari jpt, and it had hee-n dri?,zlln3. or threaten-
ing to drij'.zle in V/ashington vhcn v/e j^ot to the '.•■hite House at 9:30 in the
morning and' left Andrev/s Air Force Base a little after 10:30. Tlie big jet sort
of loafed alonr;, especially vmen it reached Oklaho^ig, cuttint^ dOvn its al-
titude gradually and bringini; us in easily on t;".n'= at San Antonio. One of tne
very first things that we noticed there vriiZTi war. that newspapers '■■ere hoin^
sold .in front of the San Antonio airport — the headline of the jifternoon >
daily nevrspaper bore out the fact that the President already had arriv.'d,
and the unper "part of the story said that he was gr =;eted by rnanj'' thousvinds
of cheerini^ ^)=ople. It was still the better part of an' hour before he actually
did -arrive^when I first savr one of those newspapers; Several, other nevrspapc'r'-nen
were re~.ar;-.l;v-j to each other that a paper- was takin;; a terrible chance — a
risk, an obvious risk — in selling newspapers on the street to the eff^'Ct
that ->the President was already there, greeted by thousands and nad" his way''
lo'-ntown, through the downtown section b'^'for'e pisny thousands, of cheerl-'i^
people, even before he'd actually gotten there. The Eexar County Democratic
Chairnan (I have his na^^e in my handwritten notes), while I was standingj
talking with Mayor McAllister, came up to the I-feyor and thanked hin pro '"use ly .
■for agreeing- to' cor.ie out and welco'iie the President- The Mayor bcin^ a !\eput-
lic?,n and having rjot been invit;ed to co'ie out and gr'.^;-^t the President until
about 2W hours earlier — ab^ut 2:30, he said, the afternoon before — which
wo^ild hav.- been the afternoon of Wednesday, Ilov. 20. The Mayor ^--as quite
perterbed at the politics of the non-political trip and, so, obviously, were
the Democrats. There were no county or city lead -rs of Bexar County and San .
Antonio on ha.:d to greet the President in the v/elcor.d/ig line,' v.-hich vras
re-narkably strange, and that was because of the Libfral-Conservatiye split
'•'ithin th'^ Texas Party, Lyndon Johnson arrived in a separate plane and- went
i'nji9dia"'-'-ly to an office in the airport. There he renained fron view from
thp public, and a's the .Air Forcte 2. plane, bearing the Congressmen, sat down,
they vrent in one by one or in small groaps to talk with the Vice President-.
Gov-. Gonnally arrived just moments before the President, having been in Houston
9rlier i'l the day,. I believe to deliver a noontine- luncheon address, (check).
The central terminal buildinj; at the San Antonio airport vas crowded, about
fo^iT people deep, ' at the picture windows facin.i3 onto the apron of the runv.'ay
when the President and his wife arrived. An outdoor observation platform on
top of t\\'- build'ln^-i- the builo'lvig being a very tall,, one-story structure — .,
people obviously having arrived earlier in the day were -about six detiio, I,
woald i;T!a;;-_ine, And as the President and '-Irs, Kennedy stepped off the' plane,
and made their way through the reception line, the' crowd oh top of the, airport
terainal building, obviously had co'ie to see Mrs. Kennedy, FoT they "nollered:
Here, -Jackie; Look here, Jackie; Lobk over here, Jackie;, and as she snlled
and waved, there v/as great applause froin the crowd , Mr, Kennedy beamed
proudly also. It was a balmy day in San .Antonio. Qloads had followed us
down fro" 'Jashington. They broke somewhere around the Red River and becar.e
sparser- a."; vre neared San Antonio. 3y the tine wq got there, there were quite
a few flakes of clouds in the sky, but it v.raa a warm, balmy day, a typical
winter's d -y in south-central Texa.s-. It certainly was a long ride frO;T the
airport to the point of President Kennedy's sneech; The route of the ir.otorcade
going all the way into dov.'ntown, then out again in another directions All
i;"i all the ride being about 20 miles . After the speech, we v;ere not 'C0_ co-ne
back ou-t, to that airport, but went instead t,o Ke lly ^ield. So far as the
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pr-fiss '■'.:is coiicerned, the most PVentiJul u,-,rt of thp motorc'ide ridf \':\z t.'nc-
rr\^.ain:j of the "pool" notes (I have exv.ct na'ur-s of t}\ose in Air Force 1
vrith the Prosident, in the Press pool). (There v;ere 2 press Isuses', a? thf.re
would be in each othe cities. The pool notes vr^'re nv'i in e^.ch. as \-re .''ovp-cl
throngh Son Antonio's streets.) One o" the' pool nen '-.'as Ji; i Mfithis, for -nc-.rl/
Oi the Houston Post and, now of Advance New Service-, which tiiE is the j--(rvlce
for the Kev.'honse n^^/spapers. rie scored the hit of tire day by hc-viriT; h'vl >•.
private conversation with Sen. Ralph Yarhoxou[;h in Air Force 1. Yarborou^h
was an invited guest of the President in the President's plane. TJurin-^ the
interview, Sen. Yarborough took a wonderful crack at Gov.. -John B. Connally. .
'vhen the pool report was read in the bus, the; reporters broke joat in lau.^hter
and cheers at the Senator's rough-. troatp-.ent of the Governor. Thir wasn't
becaUpe the reporters were on one side or the other-- or any side at all —
but this was £,ood copy, the feud., The liberal-conservative fight vras clearly
o;i, despite the fact that President Kennedy had cook to niake peace between
both factions. A fairly strong wind was blowing wher. the President mounted
the .platforta outdoors to make his speech in Gan Antonio, The. disco'^forture
of the Party solit and the v;ind had its affect. I believe, on birr, and the
people on the platform. They looked quite a bit unccmfortable. In Gan
Antonio, Sen. Yarboroarh was schedule to ridp in the sa^ie car Vrith the Vice
President, 'Irs. Yarborouj^h and Lady Bird John. The cenator refused to j^ile
in the car and rode instead in another one. The President was unhappy. '.': cause
of the hit li-s.. Kennedy was making San Antonio, the riale_ reporters we -e
■anxious to get. a description, an accurate description, of what she Has
v-earing. And so the stewardesses , on the Pan-Ain press plane helped us '"/j.ite
a bit, and so did Marrianne Means of McarGt. Certairly not to be ior/,f:'t '"en
in San Antonio 'was the recollection of Albert ' 7 ho.-'iaH of Houston, stan-'ir.^
on the ap.ccn of the runv/ay, .i/aitinii for the Prasider.t to arrive, vjith Jack
Erooks. "j:, Thonas, v;ho was only to be the ^^uest of rionor at Preside.ni.
KennediJ-'s address to be made that evenin,^ inHoustor, had been left of? the
President's plane when it left yashintitbn, '.-Jhat haprened was (I ha.ve notes
on this) , the Air Force placed Albert Thonas on Air Force 2 v;ith the rest
of the rest of the Con^^ressnen. He said that hanoened because the generals
were In charge of it instead of the sergeants. It i\fgs another political back-
fire as the Presidential" tour got under way in Texas » V/hen the speech '-.'as
concluded in San Antonio, as. the reporters hurried back into the. press
buses, and the Congressmen got into their op(;n cars, the President and his
lady re-iained at the side of the platforr: fro'i •■.'hich the President had
spoken. They let themselves be besieged by people anxi us to sha'-. s their
hands an.d ask for auto:j,raphes. Mr. and 'Irs. Kennedy re.'nained there several
ninutes, co.nplately inundated by peonle happy to see thera , up' close. It was
late in the afternoon of Thursday i;hen our bl^ plane lumbered into the
skies over Houston, circling, the city and setting down at the airport. '.'^
land just r^io.-ients Before Air Force 2. The crowd there was sizable. It r--^.n
into the several hundreds^ It was not typical Houston weather. It was not •
very hunid at all. It was balmy, as it ha':] bec^n in San Antonio. It obviously
had been a warm afternoon. There vms a roped off area for reporters and
photo grar.hers to stand, facing the. reception 'line, and as soon &i ,the Presileni
and his party had passed through the reception line, I ducked under 'the rope
and v;ent to the place v/here Senator and Mrs. Yarborough vrere" standing. On
n;/ vray, I apssed by the car set aside for Vice President and. Mrs. Johnson.
Mrs. Johnson gave me a big friendly v/ink and a big "hi." The Senator and
his wife were^standing tvro cars back. The Senators was looking terribly un- •
comfortable. I a-;ked him about the reports that he had refused to ride with
t ;a.Vice President in San Antonio. "That's a nistake," he said. .Havln,^ .just
said it, he looked even' more lunio jfortable then as a :.\an — an of ric?^a3-. of
the r':otorcaae — came up to hi'ii ana saiu. "Senator, you are scnsdulec lo
'ride vriththe ''/ice President, You and KiTS. 'Yarborough." "That must he
yesterday's schedule," said the Senator. He said: "Thate have been so.ne change;
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I think you'll fin', tlii^re's anoibher scho''.ule." And ■ tie man began to protest
so.-'.ev'hat' hplplnssly v;ith the Spnator. But .just then, A. Te>:as Hou'-c nenbor ■
ca.ne alon,;;, fron Tnrthfir back in the motorcade .cars, I think it v;as .Albert
Tb.onas, and said to the Senatot that there vaa auoth^r place for hin and
Mi\=:. YTrborou;:'^ to ride (Check .seating in Houston motorcade). Tli-^re war> no
nore troiible '.'ith the .iian and his motorcade list. There never weice ^any
anti-KonnPdy ?i^n.'-; in Texas. I have notation.s on raost.of tho.^e s^en at the ■
sid=s of th^ streets. Ilovfever, there were ev^ai fewer in Houston that there
had bat-n in San Antonio. The long ride in fro a the' airport to dovnto'7r,
Houston was vc-rr pleasant and at ti::ies the sides of the road v;er; '[uite
packed ',/itr:; people. The r.iezaanine of the Rice Hotel was odequatc-ly , set up for
the press. Tl.ere was a lar^e room with a bar in it and a tabl'-- l-'/len with
fine things to eat. I v/ent to a nearby room, though, having f irsi.. ■ Lalkid to
sone of the peor^le on the Houston Press, and went to v/ork in a non which
typp'-.T iters and good press facilities sot up. I wrote and then, dictated
a story to 'Washington.' The story was the story of the day.' It was the story
of political backfires and bad timing on the Presidential tour. Originally
the President v.'as scheduled to leave the Rice Ilotel for the Albert Tho'^as
finner at 8:-0 (check). However., it was announced after we got to the Rice
Hotel, by Presidential press aid/e Malcoih-r. KildufT (Pierre' s second assistant'
v7ho v;as handling all press chores on the trip), that Mrs. Kennedy -/ould
make an appearanco with her husband on the mezzanine of the' Rice at a
meeting of the LULACs (check). The President and his. lady arrived there about'
8:'-tO. They vrerc ru-ming late. The Gov.'-'^rnor v;as a-'nong those vrtio had spc''en
to the members of the LULACs in the room before the President and Mrs.
Kennedy arrived. Mrs. Kennedy's voice was thin. It was cultured. But with
both of those, it v.'as also very v/arn as she spoke in Spanish to the LULACS
and they, replied in kind with a tumultuous ovation.' Since the press v/as
crowded into a position behind- the platform and off to the platfori's side
in the'rooij, at the, door through vrhich the President and Mrs. Kennedy would
arrive, I got away froi.a the crowd .and walked down the' hallvray on, the mezza-
nine floor aiid was sta ding against the wall, v/aitir.g for the .Kennedys,
as they wal';e'l past me. The Frosident turned to no, rrrailed and said "ht:"'lo.-'
The tenor of the trip see-faed to 'change from thf; .lomi^nt Mrs. Kennedy made
her brief her brieiS remarks in Spanish. Ve hurried to the coliseum , w'loih •
is a"; out six blocks away from the Ric'e Hotel, and tire President vras greeted
by a great ovation there; The trip v;as nov; a- happy one. The .pResident brought
dov/n the hou.'^e with^vrhat appeared to be a slip of the tongue, when, he
described a pay load' in the NASA operations going ofif into space from the
station in Houston as being' "payroll. " The diaz at -fhe ooliseuMi -y.-as dle'Uated .
Looking at.it froi.i the front, from v/here, all the dirner viewers could, see
it, it ap.>'ared as tlidugh t,he people at the diaz Vxere seated in' a nor;:',al
v.'avj but actually, below and beMrid .the diaZ: — there^ were steps leading down .
to an area o'-'scured' from .public view. It was curtaired off. In that area,
stood the President's protectors — ■the members of tl'.e Secret .Service-- incase
a f-^natic trie-] to come up from behind. It 'v/as a .basic protective step, .but
one vihich the public really 'doesn' t realize is in efTect. Jiggs Fauver stayi-d
behind .-.'ith us, in order to give the press enough time to file stpries by -.
telephone .^nd overhead. The Presidential party and r.ttendant CongressMen flow .
off in Air Force 1 and 2-. '.^[e left about an hour after they did. (check
prior story, before trip, when Pier:re at brief ing, Mried to convince '.''■.He
House reporters this v;as a non-political trip, even to the Albert Thona? . .
dinner, which brokw up 'tlhe reporters). A trnp like this is a dri' king tripj
When vre goL on the plane, at Andrews , >even 'before 'the plane began to taxi,
blool'./ n.irvs were handed out all ar'ound, and that \ins at about 10:3? in '':'i>.
"voi-nirig. Tf'.-- rt^norters did a little bit of drii.king and whatever worl.' wss
e.Tsent'ial on each 'phase of t'ue flight. You are keyed up. You 'ire on the go.
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W^+UUVf — ker.nedy
and v/ent by bus to the Hotel Texas. The President riad arrived th^re about
an hour before us. There still vfere '-•lany people in the stroetn at the side
of the hotel and lux the lobby itsplf was packed. It was 12:W5 a.rn. by the
tine I got up to my room and got my lnj^;f,age, 1 had fully inth^nded to go
to the Press Club, ac:!epting several invitations from people in the lobby —
old friends — and especially then to 20 on to the Cellar. I had pro'nised to
take Felton V/est to the Cellar. But I saw another pair of old friends on
the fifth floor, as I ivas joinjj to ny room — Bill Kavrorth and his vrife. They
asked me to stop off and have a cup of coffee v/ith them in the coffee shop
on the lobby floor, first. \ve sat at a table with Congressman Jim Wri^^ht,
Texas Attorney General V/a^^joner Carr and Mrs. Carr. Also present v;as Cliff
Carter of the Vice President's staff. Ralph Yarborough was upstairs ir. his
quarters, holding a closed meeting with his liberal su.ioorters. (He also
v;as called in by the President and told that if he did not ride with
Lyndon Johnson the next day in Dallas, he could walk.) Pretty soon the
Governor came into the coffee shop and sat down at a table two tables av;ay
from ours and he began holding forth in a conversation i-;ith a small group
of reporters, off the record. He was asked about politics in Texas and
was asked extensively about the rift between the liberal and conservative
forces. During this conference, he explained that historically a man, if
he wanted to get into politics at all in Texas, would be a Democrat until
only the most recent of years (roughly after 1955) , and that there v/ere many
shades of Demicrats. I7hat appeared to be a major fight to reporters from the
East actually was standard procedure in Texas. Besides belittling the rift,
among Democrats, he also said that Barry Goldwater of Arizona had reached
a zenith in Texas and that the election next year would certainly be a close
one but that President Kennedy viould ultim.ately win. The Governor went back
upstairs shortly after two o'clockln the morning. Henry Gonzalez v;as aother
Con=;ressman in the coffee shop tal'/'ing to his friends. Felton Jest came in
and had bacon and eg^s, and asked if I would go with him to the Cellar.
I told him I'd had a little too much of a day, so he went on by himself, l'j
dawn the skies were weepy. The Pr isident originally was supposed to speak to
a large Chamber of Commerce breakfast on the mezzamine of the Hotel Texas.
But there had been so much insistence on the part of people in Fort '..■orth
frora all walks of life — Jim Wright had prevailed upon the President earlier
in the v/eek to step outside and be seen at least by the crov;d. The President
agreed to go even further and said that he wo ild speak before the breakfast
in the parking lot across the stro.-«t from the Hotel Texas. Hundreds packed
into the area. Though it was raining, they began seeking good standing room
positions even before dawn. With Jackie again getting a wonderous ovation,
the President departed from his text, inside the hotel, saying he felt as
he had he had felt in Paris. That he was the man who was Mrs. Kennedy's
husband. Governor Connally. called a press conference to be held in another
room on the mezzanine as soon as the President's ad3ress at the breakfast was
ended. During that press conference he ans^'iered for the record many of
the same nucstions which had b-^en ask^^d of him off the record e.^rlier in the
morning in the coffee shop. The Governor's press conference had not beon on
the agenda previously, and so we didn't have much time then to get to the
i)ress buses and depart in the motorcade for Car swell air force base, and
an unusual flight — from Fort 'Worth to Ballas. The side entrance, the 8th
Street entrance at the Hotel Texas, was so packed v;ith people v/aiting for
President and Mrs. Kennedy to come out that door, I decided to go out the
main entrance, the Main Street entrance, and v/ork my v;ay around. As I was
going around, I paused to shake hands vfith several old friends, faces which
I hadn't seen in the past year and a half, two years or longer. I wonked my
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the"^sun warout"by°now.'"i had my raincoat on my arm. .and held an envelope full
of notes, and my protable typewriter, as I slipped m the manure. The fall "as^
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5555?5?'r'5';v— kennedy
broken by my loft hand vjhich lancJpd finmrply in the pile of .stuff. This
was neyt to the President's car. This ir^s a -n^ltur of t/r^nt d',;lL,jht to the
le'-'as Con^ressnen vho were on hand. A number of them — four or five anyway —
f^ot out of their cars and came over to me. 'Henry Gonzalez, and Olin Teague
both rn^kin^ quite a point of the fact that no natter v/here I go, I step in it.
Malcol-n Kilduff, the assistant to Pierre Salinger ^ rushed up to me and said
angrily that I vas not ^ioin^ to be able to ^'-'^ on the press goin^ out to
Cars^.'ell Air Force Base-, He said you'll have to sit on top of the press bus
unless you can so-iehow v/ash that s-iolT off. Kilduff vas in a ^^re^t mood that
norin?;, because he had been among those who had gooe to the Cellar during the
early morning hours. The President's departure roiite, ^oin.j to ^arswell,
had caused quite a stir in Fort '.'orth. \;'e went out Henderson Av-;)",ue to
Jacks'ooror Highway to- '7hite Settlement in the hdinky tonk region. On'^ of the
•vhite House reporters spotted a couple of '-'omen stan-linj alongside the road
as ve vjere on our way to Car swell and said: "Men, I fsT:^ think '-'e've .ia^t
parsed a couple of hustlers. No, No, it couldn't be this early in the lorning.
CouL'iit? " Being in Fort Worth was .lust as I'd (fleared it would be. I /;ot a
look at faces just in pas.-;ing. One exanple v/as a large fork lift brou:j,ht to
the side of the road as v/e were preparing to turn of" Jacksboro onto 'hite
Settlement. Sitting on th - fork lift were Harry Rubin and George Levitan.
They vere elevated to about a two-story level. They were sitting, up there,
lau?;hing and waving. I had been married in Mr. Levitan' s house 11 years
earlier. It had be^n raining in Dallas earlier in the morning also. As we
flew in, "la'^ing one large circle in a 10-minute flight, the sun v;as out.
The crowd bx at Love Field was by far the largest we had soen. once down,
the President and "■■Irs. Kennedy broke ranks and walked along a vrire fence
shaking hands v;ith dozens and dozens of people, and it seemed almost
immediately as if the people in Dallas vjere out to convince the President
and his wife that they wanted no part of the Stevenson affair or the a T fair
a couple of years ago (I96O) vrith Vice President and Mrs. Johnson (then
Sen. majority leader) dov^ntown. The crowds that lined the motorcade route,
going dov.'ntown first and then out to the- Trade Mart, vjere iay^^iy larger
than they had been in Houston, although Houston has more people. This was
due in part largely to the fact that this was lunchtime. It v;as on our
minds — the feeling that there could be some sort of violence, or a show
o" aggravation to^-mrd the President or the Administration. The reporters
on the press bus (I was on the second of the tiTO press buses this time)
vjere talking about the" fact that we were due to go past Gen. F.dwln Walker's
house as vre went down Lemon Ave., but that proved to be false. However that
consumed quite a bit of time in the discussion among the reporters. They
were also taken with the fact that there were mighty few anti-Kennedy signs
along the motorcade route. One of the signs was : John Kennedy in 196h.
A.nd on the other side, it said: Barry Goldwater in ISS^-.. As we turned into
the dov;ritown canyon, there was just a v;hale of a lot of people. It was
later estimated that a quarter-million people were on hand to see the
Presidential party^ counting those at the airport and those lining the
route l»'-ading into downtown, as well as downtown itself. They were standing
so r.i^tir.es 10 deep at the curb, especially in the Akard and Ervay areas of
Main Stre-t. I had a windown seat. There was no one sitting next to me. There
was a mar. sitting directly behind me at a window seat (see notes for his
name). ?Ie v;as talking to me about President Kennedy's plans with the
Do.iiocra'ic I^ational committee. Now, this man shoul-3 not have been with the
White House Press group. He rode on the press plane and was designated as
a member of the White House staff. However, he was just taking a freeload
ride because he v;as going to vacation in Oklahoma. (Iwas exercising the
Washington cocktail party technique with him. I v/as listening to what he
said, I was thinking that he would be a subject for an expose 35si piece because
2r his ride at taxpayer expense. I v/as looking out the v/indow for friends on
i-ne crowds on the packed streets. A three-way activity while giving the
aT)r:ifiarance ofi just listening.) He was a member of the Democratic Natl Committee.
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I .sa\>r t\'/o faces of old friends as wg passed on Main rtroot In thr- vicinity
of tlip Timps Herald, to thp north on Fi^ld. I sav; CharllR Catos ?nd the
business colu'.nist. The man was .sayinji that it wasn't public kno'-rlod^e -jpt
but it vould be announced fairly soon, Prosident Kernedy was ^oltc to imke
a fund-raising appearance in each Hfek of the 50 states. His a.')oearance in
Austin scheduled for later that day would be the first, Texas would be the
first, ad W9 nore would be conducted, l-iadin^ up to the campai.^n of 196U-.
\ie were then in front of the Ballas County Jail Builriing, e-.ier^in;]; around
the corner, onto Houston .Street which is bordered on the left by Dealy
Plaza (on the west, the county jail bein;] on the east), (the man behind me was
.going to take a vacation; a hunting trip into Oklahoma, I believe. Check
notes.) Precisely at that moment, I heard tv/o shots in rapid succession,
separated by about four second. The first shot, I did not hear for vre must
have been still coming just around the corner when it happened . There was
not instantaneous concern. A reporter sitting across the aisle from me,
v;ho was bangin^ out a story of the President's speech to be made at the
Trade Hart moments later. He was working from a prepared text. Scarcely
looked up. Some of the reporters said that it had beon a pair of backfires
despite the loudness of them. However, I looked onto the grassy hill near
the triple underpass at the end of Dealey Plaza (the northwest end) and I
saw a woman in a green dress struggling to run up the hill. I saw a man
following her quickly and knocking her down. 'He lunged and grabbed her at
the waist and palled her down to the ground. It ser-ined to me she had firel
the shots I had just heard because by now I was convinced they had been shots.
There was an emotional outburst on the bus right at that point. '\e, saw much
panic on the grass at Dealey Plaza. I sqw a man drop to his knees, huddling
tv;o children — two small children — pounfing the ground vdth a fist. To our
right, on the other side of the bus, people v/ere still standing, v/avir.g
flags, smiling cheering, not realizing what had hanpened in the handful of
seconds just past. Our bus moved a few f:iet more and the faces of the
people were changed. There were people by now screaming, pushing, beginning
to run. We took off at a high rate of speed. The reporters in the bus were
yelling to be allowed to get off the bus. I could see the photographers'
pool car stoaped, just at the far end, under the triple overpass, as we
r'='ached that point. Photographers were scrambling, out , running back tov/ard the
Te"as School book Depository Bldg. It did not occur to any of us, concretely,
that moment or furing the hectic ride to the Trade Mart that anything
specifically had happened to the President. It seemed to us perhaps that
someone in the crovrd had been hurt, or that the Secret Service had seen fit
to fire on somebody for one reason or another. No one voiced any opinion
that the President had been hit. We sat almost silently as the bus took us
at a high rate of speed out Stemmons, having swung onto Stemmons from the
triple overpass, I v/ould say at about between 60 and 75 miles per hour.
Those people v/e passed-- at the side of '^.termons — had a strange look, a
doubtful look, a look of surprise and disappointment. We didn't kno'-f that
the President vrasn't ahead of us. Those people did and they didn't knov;
what had happened. V7e brought to the side of the Trad i Mart. V/e i-;ere emptied
out of the buses. It v;as then ve realized that something tragic really had
happened because we were there all alone. V/e burst into a small, side doorway
of the Trade Mart. A policeman, or tvio policemen stationed there, didn't wasnt
to let us in. We insisted. "When we got past a small lobby and got inside, on
the edge of this massive hall v;here hundreds of lu cneon diners were waiting
for the arrival of the President, vie realized (with soft music playin^ ar d
the rustle of plates and silverv/are) that no one in that massive place knew
yet that anything had gone wrong, (appeared to know). We asked al^out press
facilities. We didn't ask. V/e were excited. VJe were demanding. We told to
go to a press room on the fourth floor. V/e expected there to get an announce-
ment. V/e ran up the moving stairs of an "esculator (j-t seemed plausible that
vihen v/e got there, vie would be ushered into a balcony area, reserved for the
pr-!ss, so we could see the President make hi? speech and know that he was, . .
all right. V/e thought perhaps someone else might have been hit or nearly hit). <i^
I
Kantor Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
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77777^7 — ktinnedy
'hen we p;ot to the press room on thfl fourth floor, \u--< found facn.iti-\'; there
for t^^legraph. There were no phon^'S available that \re noticed. If there v/gs
n phone, it wqs in use. V/e charjjed hack 3ovn n^ain, dov/n the esculator, two,
thr'^'- steps at a tine. People on the edge of the luncheon au-li'.nce sav; us
runi-.inv; around and lau^jhed at us. They thou:iht we were perhaps what they had
pictured to be the harried, hustlin;^, hurryin.j White House pn-j.ss — "astenn
reporters, unable to relax like Texas reporters perhaps — as if they pitied
as for not relaxing as one should do in Texas. One of the reporters had the
presence of mind to call the police station instantly (where my nresence
Df -nind was, I don't knov/. I knew the tovm, the police, the nev/sp'^ioers. ) I
savr reporters clo_;.3ing a snail bank of phones. I assumed they v/ere phoning
their papers to tell their city desks that there had been shots ^nd so^iething
lad ijOne v/ronp;. I rlidn't know why they were phoning v/hen we had no knowledge
Df lirhat had happened. It v/as my all-time prize mistake in judgment. The reporter
ho got through to the police, turned to us. He spoke calmly, so the rest
f us could understand clearly, but not loudly, so as not to panic anyone
passing by. He said Chief Stevenson (actually a sub-chief under Chief Curry)
told him that the President had been shot and had be n taken to Parkland
(Memorial) Hospital. V/ith that, I hollered at frlen-^s of mine from the press
2orps and told them to follov; me, because I knew the area and co'Jld get to
Parkland quickly (hov/, I didn't know). I expactod to charge out and get a
3ab. If a cab even had besn there, anyone could have gotten in and asked to
taken to Parkland. You didn't have to know the area for that. A. bystander —
I never did find out his name — said if v;e needed a car, he had one. I
lollerei at a couple more people. Ithinlj there were seven of us altogether.
e ran to his car. It \ras a station wqgon, ■'e piled in. He took us fro a
the T ade l-'nrt to Parkland at breakneck speed, at tines going against traffic
laving his horn wide open. The President had been fatally shot at, 12:^^1.
\t 12:55 we were at the hospital. The only reporters there ahead of us weri
those four in the pool car which had been up close to the President. The
nan in the station wagon drove us to the emergency entrance. As we jumped
from his station ''agon, we were scant -feet av;ay fro'n the President's csr.
"he two right-hand doors of the car were open. There v;ere crsuhed red roses
Dn the back seat. There was a pitiful trail of bloof, leading from the
oackseat of the car to the sidev/alk at the emergency entrance. Standing
right there, looking at it, as if unable to move — transfixed — ''.'as Senator
I'arborough. I talked to him, asked him what happened. By and large he told
e it v;as something too horrible (see notes). The Senator's voice vras husky
and quavering. I managed to get into the hospital wit.h a policeman's help.
Che o^'ficer had seen me talking to the Senator. I showed my I'/hite House card.
I was never more insistent in my life about having to get into a place. He
escorted me inside, I got a phone iMiediately across from the emrgoncy surgery
rea door. I was the first reporter into the hospital, aside from the four
pool men who already were in and on phones. I called Washington and was
lisctating a first-person account. The wire service \>'ere minutes ahead of me.
I concentrated on Yarborough's feelings of sight and sound. I saw' the priest
;o into thf= e-'V'-rgency area, the floor being guarded by a somber-looking
'ecret Service man with a small white buti.on in his lapel, designating his
role as a Secn^-t Service man. I sav/ Mrs. Jolinson, shaken, v/hite, V'Ping escorted
Dut of the area , supported by the arms of tvro men. She looked as if she
rould be ill in another moment. I finished phoning, \-.'ent again into the
iallv;ay. Albert Thomas and .Henry Gonzalez were standing together near the
nain o^^iergency entrance doorway j leading to the outside. I asked if they
could t-11 me anything more. Neither one seemed able to talk. Albert Tho-ias,
«;ho only the evening before had been so lavishly praised by the President
the Houston testimonial dinner, and who had been urged earlier in the yeay
?v the President not to retire from Congress at the end of I96W because of
^ -^ l^eith. V7as able to tell me that a nuerosurgeon had been brought in, I 1)1
realized then that the President had been shot in the head (a fact thfio most y /,
)f the nation already knevr because the pool renorters saw the head wound at ,
about 12:35, when the President was brought to the hospital emergency entranc.e_.
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3 o-"'""^ :"'">''— kenni>rly
At that mopient, Malcolm Kildurr, a tra-icaVy chaniPd person fivo.i what he
had ber-n the last tl'^ip I'd talke'.i to him, in Fort 7orth less th'in three
hours earlier, cane walking briskly past my rear and said he had an annourjce-
ment to nake and to follov; him. Merriran Sraith of JPI and a couple of tother
reporters (Al Cromley of the Oklahoman V'ashin^ton 3)ureau v/as one) ca'^e
along at the same time. Vie vient out the-emer;^ency entrance, turned to our
left, walked onto the grass, turned left again around a corner of the
building, vralked up a slight grassy hill, climbed over a short fence rail
and went into -'-nother entrance of the Hospital. Heading tov/ard a stairv;ay,
I felt a tug at the back of my coat. This v/as the Jack Ruby incident. Going
up the grassy hill, Merriman Tmith was pleading and demanding that ralduff .
tell us then and th^re v;hat the announcement would be. Kilduff strode quickly
and said v/e v/ould have to wait. Kilduff 's face was grayish when v/e got into
a second-floor classroom. It was ja-;'ied v/ith reporters.- He stood behind the
desk at the head of tho classroom, in front of a wall blackboard, his fingers
extended, spread on the desk-top, supporting him, wetness rolling down his
face. Tears or sv/eat. He made the announcement in measured tones, his
voice verging on breaking down toward the end of it. There was an imeiiate •
rush for telephones. He said there would be a furf'^er statement in another
10 •ninut'->s or so. He fixed the time of the President's death at "about
1 p.n.y I v;ent ot an office dovm the hall and placod a call to '-'ashington.
It '-/as difficult getting a line out of the hospital. The nurses in this
office-- there v/ere a handful — seemed to b'e stunned — and they looked at
each other dreadfully as they listened to ny conversation to VJashington.
A western union lan who bad b 'en with us since we came down fro'.i froi
Andrews Air Force Base came into the office. A nurse asked hin about a
report that a Secret Service agent had boon killed out on the street. He
said tho^ it was true. This was one of the immediate rumors v/hich sprung
up . It took several days for this particular rumor not to be believed in
Dallas itself (fellow in Jaggars-Gtiiles-Stovall:^ who got it from a friend
v/ho got it from a postman supoosed to have been at the death scene that the
shot and bleeding SS man v/as picked up and vrhisked away and it vras all
hushed up. V/hy? I asked. Because they even have to die in secret, he said.i
He and others hinted, that maybe the So nan was in on the plot to kill the
President.) Ay office, by now, primarily v/as interested in what v/ould
happen to Lyndon Johnson. V/ould ho remain in Dallas for minutes, hours, a
day perhaps, or :!ven for the vre-kond? It v/as a matl'.er of from where the
U.S. wo 3 Id be run. The ©"'"ice v/ould send Jack Ht :ele to Dallas to be
v/ith me in .the event that the Vice President would remain for any length
of time at all. ''t 'cle v/as already home, packlj2 g. ( 'fnen I v/alkf>d outside
at about 1:2? v/ith Kilduff, Mr. -nd "'Irs, Johnson were going out, too, under
heavy guard. They looked vrretchedly grim. LB J thought the chances v/ere good
that he too v/ould be a target in the next fev/ minutes.) Steele v/ould bo
covering the events surrounding the new president. I would be covering the
police angle. It v/as curious to me, when Egger said that, I had given no
thought as to A-/ho did this thing or why, though moi-e than an hour's time
nov/ 'nad elapsed, except for the feeling of revulsion I had for the Dallas
rightwing extremists xh when I learne-i in thp Trad" Mart that Kennedy had been
shot. I fought back v/ords I want to scream,, while ru. ning for that station
\'i3.goni^J^'^j. daam you, Dallas. Smug Dallas. God damn you. It v/as all the worse
because Sat in the Trade Mart in a gay and festive mood. By now, the classroom,
the makeshift press headquarters, v/as .ianmed. It vi-\s as if city editors had
reached O'l.t and hurled people into the hospital. There v/as Bob Gait, the
bov/ling writer, Elston Brooks, the entertainment columnist, Latryl Layton,
the society editor. — all good and cap'-ble anyway, but oddly gathered. These
v/ere people I knev/ v/ell and hadn't seen in at least 1^ months. vJe looked
through each other. Nothing much shov/ed on the out5;ide. iHxi:S3q; the
reporters were bl.=-eding internally with tears. They dripped into the sto-iach.
They splattered in there wifebixp and made puddles of grief. A doctor came into ^
the room — at least everybody thought it ^-/as a doctor. It v/as Bill Stinson, ^f
iAa?g^Sc3^°^org9i^i/^iAy3o{^?:a!5r} is HFsisgiiH^giSigaff^tYiligst^'jjiRriia m to the//
blackboard and said to him two times: "One O'clock. One o'clock."
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999T'999 — kennody
(description of Kilduff viakin- his first annomcenf.Tit at 1:30, standlrjg
behind the dos'.c — it was not so nuch the vhiteness in his fini;ers as he
pressevi the-:i on the desk top, or tlie look on his face. It vas the color
of his eyes. They are a rich blue. But they were nov; pale, the blue
and whit^-ness running together in a milky v/ay.) Although CJtinson
explained im-iediately that he v;as not a doctor, the first questioners,
perhaps the first two or three, called him doctor as they a-.ldressed him,
Stinson came with the announcement that the Governor was in eytre^^.ely
serious condition, but v;ould live. Julian 0. Rsed, doing public rela-
tions for the Governor (on hand since the v^jan Antonio stop) explained
on the blackboard for reporters v;here the Governor and Mrs. Connelly and
the President and Mrs. Kennedy weri sitting in the car. The/ took a
couple of different tries — with the help of Bill "tinson — in getting
the seating arrangement down right for the reporters. Stinsofi described
the Governor's wounds. There was an announcement that a pool car was
needed to go out to Love Field, and since there was no explanation in
depth as to why only a handful of reporters left. I ran down the stairs
with them. I decided, by the time I got do-'.mstairs that without knowing •
what the purpose vrasy it v;ould be foolhardy to go out. This pool car
was the one which went out to attend the si^'oaring in of the new
PresiTPnt in Air Force One. I talked to Henry }onzglez, outside the
hospital. He was clutching a paper bag .and harily able to talk, tie
said the the bag contained the personal effects of Gov. Connally. Ke sai<
he had just se ^n Mrs. Kennedy leave v;ith the body of the President. He
had helped her into the hearse. Returning to the upstairs or ^ss head-
qu'^rters, after talking v/ith Sen. Yarborough, Mayor Earle Cabell and
other Texas Congressmen, I found the two doctors who had v/orked on the
President — one on his head and one on his throat — were describing the
condition of the President as thoy found it and as they had worked on
it. They spoke almost entirely without emotion and answered each
question, except that they obviously — pinched by the pressure —
didn't understand the relentless probing of reporters, ham.nerlng
questions in an effort to get every last detail. and get it reduced to
the si'.-.plest of terms. The two were al'iiost cutting in their ansv/ers.
Jiggs Fauver announced that soon v:e would be going to Love Field.
Kilduff was no longer there in the press room. I was coaqerned with
getting ny lujgage off the plane because I knew I vrould bV-staying
at least for some hours. V/e entered the prf^ss buses and received a
police escort going out. Ther" vrere already (check time) scores and
scores of peopla standing, staring at the hospital, as if they could
see something, as if something could be done. It was the same at Love
Field v;hen we arrived there, except that people were much farther
back from being able to see anything than they were at the hospital.
Our bus vfas held at the edge of the runway because the endings of Air
Force One vrer ■ being revved. The plane was beginning to taxi. As soon
as it taxied into a position ready for takeoff, one of the members of
the press corps from the Love Field pool (Sid Davis — Uestinghouse)
ran up to us and stood on the hood of ikK a car and explained everything
that happened during the swearing-in inside the plane, just moments
before. 1 thdn ^rent to the Pan-Am press plane and got my bag off. The
stewardesses looked old. I then went into the Love Field Terminal and
phoned my office in VJashington. (explain difference bet^'^een Scripps-
Koward and v/ire service). I told my office was heading for the jail
dovmtown and that Lyndon was sworn in and vfas heading back. I rode ,/
downtown with Andy Hanson, photographer for the Dallas Times Herald W
and with Bob Hollingsworth, ray former city editor on the Times Herald^J
v7ho now v/as the paoer's VJashington Correspondent and had pullea nis
bag off the plane, too. W^ had the radio on, going downtown, and lo was
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the first I'd h^^ard that a man nmod U-.e Harvey Osvrald had boen
arrested and that a policc.-ian had boi-n shot iov;n dead, and. that
Oswald had a history on the c-xtrone loft, rather than on the e/trene
right. This ''/as by now about 3:15 (check notes), or about 2 hours, ^5
minutes after the President was shot and tv/o hours after Oswald v;as
captured (nearly two hours) in the Te^as Theater. I got out of the
car outside the Times Herald Eld^ and stood on a corner on r.lm Street,
tryinji to find a cab and there wer^ none. Waiting 10 minutes , I set
out with my bac , port.-ible typewriter, coat and envelope of notes for
the Da].las police station, a distance amounting tisR to the vrest-to-oast
length of downtown Dallas, about a mile (the area of dovaitown v/hich hole
all the larje buillincs). I checked into the White Plaza Hotel, put
my belongings into a 10th floor room and went iri^iediately to the police
station across the street (caty-corner on Hai'vrood). There v/as no
excitement downtov/n. There was no outward ernotion. There v;as no weeping.
There were no speeches. People were in the streets, waiting in line for
buses, in their cars, walking. There were grim looks almost ever:/^//here.
Stores were open. I had trouble getting onto the third floor of the
police station, I had to shov; my credentials in order to be allo'-/ed
into the hallway which by now was cloi^^ed wit.h reporters — a nevr
set of reporters, for only a few of us took our belon2ings off the
press plane and stayed. Most were going back to Washington. I only had
two recollections of Lee Harvey Oswalcl. The first one was in 19^0, while
I still wa?^ on the Fort Worth Press. He was a fellow who had been in
the M'^rine Corps, I'd remembered and had gone to Russia, I'd rem<=:abered.
Kent Eiffle had arranged a three-'-/ay telephone conversation in I96O
among himself, Oswald in Russi and Oswald's mother in Fort IVorth. I.'ow,
it took several hours to arrange the call trans-Atlanticly and trans-
continentally and get the call into Russia to where Osv/ald v;as. At times
it seemed it would be impossible to get the call through, but at last
the call v;as ready and Mrs. Oswald was on her line in her home and
Kent Eiffle, sitting directly across from me at the Press city desk,
v/as on his phone, and here came Oswald on his phone in Russia. A.s soon
as Osv/ald found out that it v/as his mother on the phone in Fort ''.'orth
and it was a nev/spaperman vrho had set this thing up, so she could talk
to her son, Oswald hung up. All those hours down the drain. The o'her
recollection I had was that at some point last year there were stories
in the papers that Oswald was coming home. I clipped out a story from
the Fort V/orth Press stating that he was due home at such and such
a time. I thought that should he come to Washington to straighten out
his papers or his affairs, hsx I would want to talk to him. But to my
knowledge, he never did come tm Washington. There vrere dozens of
reporters clogged in that hallv/ay, which stretched from an entrance way
where the elevators (two of them) opened up on the third floor, to
the press room at the end of the corridor. In between, starting at the
entrance way area was a door which led to an elevator going to the
Jail cells upstairs where Oswald was being kept at intarvals. k couple
of doors down on the same side, the right-hand side (east side) was
the homocide office, where Capt. Will Fritz holds forth. Kext door was
forgery & robbery, then auto theft, then the press room. That hallway
was to remain clogged with the humanity of reporters for the next three
da^/s. The hallway v;as about 25 yards long from entrance way to press
room (the southwest vring of the third floor is what it was). I stayed
pretty much' in touch with my office in Washington — perhaa^ three ;/
phone calls— until shortly after midnight when the Oswald press M
conference v;as held in the police assemoly room. One old acquainLancexl
v/ho I saw v;as Vince Drain of the FBI and in subsequent conversations
as the hours wore on, Vince told me^that he was flying the. two Oswald
gund to Washington sometime during the night or early morning hours. I
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nlso loarned fro-n Vince that there had been ti/ro bullets vmich had
hit the President, I assembled these and other facts Tor -t story for
•Saturday's papers and in subsequent conversations with Chuck E^jer in
l/ashin^ton, I tried to put the therms of a story together but EjiiGr
felt the story would becone clearer as time v/ent on — it v;ould take
more facts which would have, to hold up for Saturday. My facts v;ere
fine for spot news. They v.'ere new. They v/ere cood scoops. But they
v/ouldn't up throut;h Saturday. I was v/orking hours ahead of the news
now, as a goil for a story. At intervals, Oswald's wife v/gs brought
in and his mother, and his two small children, alon^ with ;-Irs, Ruth
Paine to do the interpreting, and her two children, Osv/ald himself
was leiff at intervals bwteen the elevator-cell foor and Fritz's door.
Each time Osv;ald passed through the hallway, an ailse v/gs cleared
wide enough for him to v/alk, v;ith no extra room. His hands v;ere
manacle^d. He griinlj'- refused to answer questions. Each time F:^itz
mov 'd fron one doorway to the other, when he did not have the prisoner
in tow, he was deluged by reporters so thickly gathered around him that
he could not be heard beyond the first tight ring of ears around him.
people flat against him. Besides, Fritz speaks in a low, rather gravelly
voice, A custom was begun almost immediately that the reporters up close
would pass the word to reporters behind them, V/ith the number of radio
and television people, reporters were Ijains interviewed by other
reporters v/ith microphones. During the evening hours, at least one
planeload of reporters from the F.ast arrived. Hew York City and
V.'ashington primarily. These incl';d"d foreign correspondents of foreign
nev/spapers, stationed in the U,3. Chief Curry was more than aware of
their presence, and so he held what possibly is one of thomost unusual
press conferences in police history. In the police assef.ibly room, in
the basement, past midnight. At about 12:15 a.m., Oswald v;as led in.
Reporters and photographers had b-^en pre-warned that an^ movements
to>-ard Oswald — any unusual movements — any flurry of shouxed questions
(such as had be--n goin^^ with poor Capt, Fritz) (reporters shouting,
yelling, holl-:ring 'juestions, drowning out other questions, drowning
out the answers) — Oswald would be led out immediately. This press
conference was something akin. I guess, to something you night conjur
up for the Middle Ages. Some thing like a press conference in ancient
Home. After it .'as over, I typed out a story and phoned it in. It v;as
about 2 a.m. (3 a,m, V/ashington time). The majority of our staff in
Washington v?asstill at v/ork. If I had any apprehension before other
.reporters did in the bus in the motorcade in Dallas that something had
happened to the President when the shot sounds were heard, it was •
because it was my first Presidential trip and I ^^ras more apprehensive
perhaps about everything that happened or \>/as about to happen than
the veterans, Saturday morning after getting up and having breakfast —
my first solifl meal since a good hot lunch on the press plane two
days, earlier-- (there had been no time or no desire to eat in the
eventful hours since then, I felt a substantial weight loss Immediately,
As I write this (Dec. 28, five weeks later, from notes I taped on a
recorder tv/o weeks earlier) I still have not gained back to the weight
I was at the start of the trip, Nov. 21). I noticed during the days that
follov;.-d in Dallas, I had little desire to eat much, and rarely ate
more than twice a day, though my work hours often were from early
morning until about 9 p.m.; most of it on tht; constant go), I wnet next^
door to ,tha hotel Saturday morning, to Titche-C-oettinger ' s and bought ^7
iy
ni-^ht the ^fact'that Oswald was unharmed, except for his skirmish in the
aoor xo ,xn" noxei aaxuraay morning, zo i ixcne-e-oexxinger- s ana nou-nu
a couole of shirts, some underv/ear and socks, brought them to my room t^
and went back to the police station. Chief Curry I think had be^'n^intei:
ested in showing the nev/ reporters vrtio'd come covrn from the East Frida^v
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Texas Theater in O^k CliPf while he was i;ryin,; to rasirA. v.^rost. Curry
was anxious to shov/ that there was no police brutality (pf'rh't.ps
anticipating such a complaint by Oswald in th'? course of rooming
a confession). The Dallas police department v;as on show Tor the entire
world ,, especially with television and radio facilities being set up
on the third floor. Ue were not confined to the press rooii for v/ritir.g
and telephoning, because very few people could fit into the press roon.
There were three telephones and two desks, as well as a couch, with
two typewriters in the room. Police offices on the third floor v;ere
overflowing with reporters working; on typewriters and using telephones
through that v/hole weekend. The whole daysx was spent in the police
station Saturday and almost entirely on the tiiird floor. Tlie luestioning
of Osv/ald resumed. There were more rumors. Ther^? v;ere more questions
shouted continually at Capt. Fritz, v;ho looker: tired but V/-ho v/as used
to putting long hours to crack a good case. Early Saturday evening,
Capt. Fritz said that based on his ex';erience, Oswald v/lll never admit
the cine of killing the President. He said, based on his information,
though, there is no other suspect besides Oswald and that Oswal'J v/as the
man who had murdered the President. Not long after, about 8:15 P."i.>
Saturday, Chief Curry made the announcement that later v;as to come
back and haunt him. He gathered — or merely stepped out into the hallway
on the third floor and didn't have to gather — the press. You could
barely breathe in that crowd around the chief. It formed about hir in
a flash. He manuevered into a position before the network TV cameras.
The crov/d there A^/as so large that one reporter was making his notes
on the back of Chief Curry. HT^ had his notepad placed on the right
shoulder blade of the Chief and was writing as the Chief talked. The
Chief said there would be no further questioning of Osv/ald during the
night. He said Oswald vrould not be transfered to the county jail during
the night. He assured us that if v/e were to arrive by 10 a.m. the next
day, \-je vrould be able to see for ourselves the transfer of Oswald to
the County Jail. He did not guarantee that the transfer would take place
at 10 o'clock but he said that we would have time iix to see it if we
were there by 10. Discussing this among ourselves immediately after
the Chief made his statement, it was generally concluded that Oswald
would indeed b^ transfered during the night. We fully expected it. I
don't knov; of anyone who was planning to have his feelings hurt if such
a raiddle-of-the-night move^ happened.
(next notes — include Ruby's appearances Friday and Saturday night, the
chicken letters, the overv/helmed reporters staring at each other)
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By Saturday night, the executive offices of the police dfOirtmnnt
on the other end of the third floor corridor (the southeast win^i)
N^rere filling, up rapidly with mail, telegrams from ill p.?rts of the
country. Telephone calls were being noted on legal-sized paper note
pads. There was correspondence and phone calls from many narts of the
world. Fron Australia. From r.ngland. From other countries. Some v;as
in nature of criticism of the Dallas police, cepartment for allowing
the assassination of the President to ha;^i:en in Dallas. Some came
from araateur sleuths. Sweet old ladies in Des loines and so forth,
who had th^ir own theories as to how to trap Osi;ald into the admission
that he was the assissin, or how to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
that he was it, \<rhether he'd ever ad-nit it or not. One letter su^ jested
that the police examine Oswald's teeth. The remains of fried chicken —
the chicken bones themselves — were found by the carboard boxes at the
sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository Eldg. V/hoever
had eaten that lunch vrauld have traces of fried chicken betv^een his
teeth. Another su,.,gestion v;as that Oswald's stool should be carefully
examined. This might have branded Oswald forever in the history books
as the 'chicken shit killer. of President Kennedy. In 17 years as a
reporter, I had found myself in a number of curious situations, but
none quite like this, I've never been in a place where reporters
frequently stood staring at each otheu or sat staring at each other
at interludes, uttering only one or two words at each other, such as:
In-cred-ible, or unbelievable. There was exhaustion in the faces of
the reporters. There was an atmosphere of despair, despite the quick
pulse of action that throbbed the third floor hallv/ay, hour after hour. ■
3y the second day especially, Saturday, the effects of the assassination
had set in. It \sras , even among the reporters who were v/orking hard and
were fully occupied, it was hard to accept that v/hich had ha:">pened.
V/e were strangely isolated. I didn't know whether Connally v;-a.'-~ alive or
if he v;ere alive, how he was doing. I didn't knov/ if A.ir Force One ever
landed in Vi'ashington, or was President Johnson in seclusion. I didn't
know what happened to President Kennedy's remains except that they
had been headed for Eethesda Naval Hospital, a few blocks from my home.
I didn't know what life existed two blocks beyond the police station.
I wasn't calling any friends. There was no tine. More, there was no
thought of them. My office had called my wife Friday and told her I
wasn't coming home immediately. I still hadn't talked to my vrife. I
called her late Saturday morning. She was out with the children. I
talked instead to my mother who lives in Washington. I was wholly
interested in any movement, any thought, any vrord on that third floor.
I talked to my v;ife briefly Saturday evening from the Dallas police
station, told her little and didn't ask for any news beyond how she
and the children were doing. For me, at least, the third floor of that
50 year old building, newly, tastefully done over on the inside, was the
only place where life existed in the world. I didn't ask my office for
any other nev^s. I doubt if there was a reporter there who had not been
at one time or another on a police beat. It was a return to that type
of story again, except that any police story before, for any of us,
was just a preparation for this one. There were many questions still to
be asked of Oswald. Many tests yet to be given to him. In an effort to
unravel the mystery of why John Kennedy v;as murdered. But of all the /);
tests to be denied by the next day's brutal slaying of Oswald v;as on^^
that was inevitable — a psychiatric test. When aroused, I wondered. j»
vrould Oswald slam his fist on the table three times, shout a vrord thrie
times in anger, kick at a door three times. There had been three shots
fired into the President's car. There had been three shots fired into
Officer J.W. Tippit (ask a psychiatrist what a series of 3 means).
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Late Soturdayi,! for our Sunday papers , I did a pieco on Dptoci.ive Capt.
Will Fritz, his -background and his role in thn job of breakin-^ the case,
alons v;ith the difficulties Fritz faced, as an occasional question fror'i
an FBI man or an assistant district attorney hurst the bubble that Fritz
had been carefully building around Oswald. Fritz strikes you as being of
the Charlie Chan school. His expression is irniobile. It rarely changes.
He shows few emotions. He is very even nan under grost stress. It v/as
possible, during the course of Friday and Saturday to '.\ralk into the
chief's office, talk with him or a high-ranking assistant. By Saturday
it was clear to the reporters that there were no other prime suspp'cts
in jail and no other prime suspects being sought, for the crime itself*
When Os\.'ald was led dovm the ja!a;ii'^-. corridor, the reporters nearest
him often vroull holler: V/hy did you kill the President? \Jhy die you
kill the President? Reporters rarely are that emotional. I never raw
it before, except in a press box at a college football game, among
provincial sports writers who can't keep themselves from rooting for
the home team. One time Oswald shouted back that he was being denied
his basic rights to have a shower. His basic hygenic rights, as he put
it. Chief Curry appeared touchy about this. He soon told rtioorters that
Oswald could have a shower any time he needed one in the regular jail
shower room. Another time, Oswald shouted for attorney John Abt , v.'ho
frenuently handles cases for Con-mnist'S in America, John Abt of Kew York
City. Get me Abt. Oswald v;anted Abt for his attorney. Another time,
a reporter sho ited a question at Oswald, asking why Osvrald had v/Tltten
to Connally v/hen Connally was Navy Secretary, asking Conn?.lly to get
his discharge from the Marine Corps changed to an honorable discharge.
Osv-ald hollered back over his shoulder, as he v;as led into the
jail elevator doorv/ay: I don't know what kinfl of newspaper reports you
are getting but these are not true. He was defiant. He looked alert at.
all times. In his profile, he was sharp-f eatui'ed. Full-faced, he had a
cunning look. He looked like Bobby Darin in the full face. That fact
jfKTOj) shaped my opinion of what Oswald v;as like in his looks. Tv;o months
earlier (check dates) in VJashlngton, I had witnessed the riots of the
young CoT'innist sympathisers who had gone to Cuba against State Depart-
ment orders — the riots inside and out of the House Jn-Amr^rican Activitit
Comiiittee hearing room, and attended their own nighttime rally which
was undermined by George Lincoln Rockwell's nazis. Two days of riots.
Their timing vras precise as they were carried o^f by police individually.
They appeared to wait until they got into the best camera angles and
before 'enough reporters to scream and become martyred. This was Lee
Harvey Oswald. He was living the part of a martyr. I don't recall' ever
before having such a consuming desire to go out and get drunk as I did
Saturday night. I hoped that somewhere a package store would be ooen
or somev;here perxhaps a bar would be open v;here I could sit quietly and
take care of this need. To my astonishment, I found many bars open
dov/ntown. In one, four doors down from the city's m.ain intersection of
Co", -erce and Akard, a block from where hundreds had stood at Main and
Akarsd just the day before to cheer the President in his last moments
alive, I went in. I found the juke box playing, people dancing, people
at the bar laughing. It was Saturday night and the place was open for
business. I v/alked past the Carousel, the Jack Ruby place, and as he
had mentioned to me the day before, it was closed. Two other nearby
strip joints, however, were open. I went into one and stayed a few
minutes. Business was off. I will say that. But there v;ere happy drunks
there, barking at the gals to take it all off. Though I vrent several
Places and put as many beers down into me as I could hold, I could not
he'-'in to get drunk. I found myself v/ishing only now that every b/i/\in
to'^n v;"re closed. T'N,
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"arlipr Satnrriay nitihi, it must. have h-^.en aboat 6 o'clock, I war. av/are
that a 'boxful of sandv^iches had bcpn. nlaciu ia the prGss room. They
wpp-^ ^ood cold meat sandwiches and thp rooortsrs made short v;ork of ther
though I didn't take one. I didn't knov/ how they ^^ot there. It v;as the
next afternoon that I learned that Jack Ruby 'aad brought them in. It
also v.-as the next afternoon that I l^arneil that Jack Ruby had b^en in
the police asse'ubly room Friday ni-ht with th.^" reuorters' who stood on
tables, and the photo^^raphers who bunched into the plainclothes guards
at the froni, of the room surrounding Oswald. Sunday afternoon, District
Attorney Henry Wade was to say to' the press that Jack Ruby was present
Friday night during that str.-^nge press conference "I understand," or "I
a:n told." A new york city radio moorter, Ike Pappas, corrected Henry
and said that he (Pappas) had bo^n talking with Ruby in the assonfoly
room snd Ruby had given him a card and had invited ±21 hirr, to be his
guest in the Carousel when it ZKpa reopened. Pauoas still carried the
card in his wallet. Said that he brought Ruby over to the District
'Attorney and that the D.A. seemed to know Mr. Ruby. Henry smiled but
gave no answer (after first saying that Ruby was mistaken for being a
reporter). In fact, starting with Sunday afternoon, you no longer could
find a policeman in tovm who said that he knew Ruby or, if h<= knew
was recognized, it was because there were so many reoorters milling
around — so many new faces, so many people arriving from all sorts'
of distant points in America. Dallas v/as caught flat-footed. Dallas
still I'as a polite place to be and the police were cooperating as much
they could.: Being there, seeing the"assassina"tion scenes of ?fesi^Teht
Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald unfold before my eyes through the long
weekend, v:as exceedingly strange because of the isolation. Millions
and millions of people were watching the events and subsequent events
on television screens and hearing them on radio sets. Isaw nothing on
TV, heard nothing on radio and didn't know what v/as happening beyond
where I was. It was much like fighting a battle in a war. People back
home read extensive reports of the extent of the battle and its meaning
in relationship to the rest of the war, while the foot soldier there has
no idea v/hat anything means beyond that piece of ground which he can see.
I was in fact so certain Sunday morning that Oswald had been moved during
the night to county jail that I slept late, showered, had a liesurely
breakfast, read two Sunday newspapers while eating, and looked out the
hotel v;indow for the first time, after finishing eating in the first
floor restaurant, and to my surprise saw people waiting outside the city
jail. I knew then that Osv;ald had not yet been transfered. It was now
about 10 :Uo a.m. I left my newspapers at the hotel desk, vient across
the street, up to the third floor, found that there were not many people
there, took an elevator to the basement, which was the starting point
of the transfer. There, I encountered difficulty. & uniformed officer
asked for my identification. (I went over all of this later on for the
Dallas police and the FBI at their requests) Ishov;ed the officer my White
House press pass. That meant nothing to the officer. He called a detec-
tive over. The detective said my identification v;as perfectly all right.
Had he too turned me down, I would have fished out my Dallas police anfd
Texas Dept. of Public Safety press credentials. They were outdated. cM
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I v/as allov;pd to ,1oin the rest of the reporters. I saw Boh Fenlr-y'of the
Dallas Tii'ies Herald standing in the office of the basement, used to book
inconing prisoners. I took up a position v;ith him and Capt. Johes of the
Dallas police came along subseque/itly and told us we'd have to vacate
that area. Along with us were a handful of reporters, plus one network
television camera setup. I think CBS. They were taking extra precautions
of course. Taking no chances. They v;anted all reporters and catieras in
one area, v;here they could beep a close eye on them when Oswald appeared.
He would be coming dov/n the jail elevator into the booking office,
through there and out into the basement driveway area. I urged Bob to
move very slowly. V/e did. In fact we vr'"n'e the last to l-^ave. I was in
hopas that v;hile we were delnjin:^, Oswald V70uld be noved do"n the
elevator. V'e didn't miss it by ^luch. VJe got into the drivew.-^y area ?r:d
were there not more than four minutes I guess when sorr.eon*^ r;houted h^^re
he coi'ies. Fenley and I stayed togoth during tills whole period of time,
(diagram) It nevei- v;as official and may never become official but the
police apparently, according to what they themselves later v;ere saying
unofficially, were planning not to take Oswald in the armored vehicl"^
that vias v/aiting at the end of the Co-inerce Street ramp. Instead they
would put him into one of the tvro cars, the g^'-een one or white one
which v-ere driven into position at the last moment, and rush him out the
Main Street ramp, using the armored car as a decoy. They v/ere apprehen-
sive about an attempt on Oswald's life'. They expected this could occur
outside the police station or en route througl: the downtov/n streets or
at the arrival point at the county jail. Capt. Fritz had ii;tlmated the
day before that he was against the transfer. Since this was a Dallas
city police matter, it would make it difficult to transport witnesses
back and forth and Oswald back and forth for continuous questioning and
tests and so forth. I felt certain that more shots v;ould be fired after
Ruby fired his weapon. Not necessarily as part of a plot or anything
like that. There was mass confusion for at least a minute — one of
those minutes in which an eternity of thought and movement occurs. The
police vrere agitated. Capt. Jones shouted to a uniformed guard at the
riain St. end of the ramn — no one leaves this place. The guard svfiveled
into a gun-firing position, aiming down into us. I saw om^ detective ^
after wrestledto the concrete floor and dragg'^d into the booking office
(where Osv;ald was carried) by a small platoon of police — this detec-
tive's eye red and wet, due to the utter frus':ration of the thing. Fenley
and I sxii did what the other reporters did, depending on i/here they
where standing v^hen the shooting occurred, tried to run, foolishly I
guess, but that's v/here the story v;as, tried to run to where the man
who had I done the shooting was brought down to the concrete. vJe trie!
to move I from there into the booking office. A. plain-clothesed officer,
studj/ing us as If we may have planned to do some shooting ourselves,
ordered I us not to move and ordered us back against the driveway area
railingi vJe were bunched and crowded. VJe were shouting and the officers
were shouting and they would not let us move. The police v/ere caught
in their own trap now. The two cars and the armored car v/ere blocking
the attempts of an ambulance to get in to remove Oswald to Parkland
Hospital. When the ambulance was brought in, it was brought to the ^
point where Fenley and I stood. Oswald was carried out of the booking
office on a stretcher and was placed inside the ambulance, his head
exactly! at the point where I was standing, looking in at him. He looked
gravely injured. His mouth v/as open, rigidly. His face was a pasty gray.
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public elevator area of the basement, . told to 2° to the third floor
where Chief Curry would have statcnents to make. We v;ere not asked for
identification upon getting to thr- third floor, but the executive wing
of the third floor for the first time was blocked off by three uniformed
officers, standing shoulder to shoulder. Fenlciy and I took up a position
in front of the three and there we waited. As it turned out Chief Curry
had nothing to say to the press and made no move from his office for
two hours. But we stood in one place the whole time, (check notes for
exact amount of time). Meanv;hile two detectives who had teen less than •
a foot away from Oswald when he was shot talked to us about what they
saw and did. (according to the masterpiece photosby Jack Beers and
Bob Jackson, one of the detectives, standing i-miediately on Oswald's
right, didn't see Ruby making the fatal lunge. The other was Jack
Combest, who reacted with a shout Instead of physical action, as Ruby
-.brushed past his arm in making the lunge.) Bob Jackson was scgnding
with us during the wait for Curry's announcment. He didn't knov; he had
the picture that probably is a Pulitzer Prize v/inner and vrill certainly
become 'an all-time classic in American photo journalism. He, like
Beers, ;fired his earner at that moment because he thought Ruby v;as a
radio reporter, thrusting a sii slender hand microphone at Osvrald.
Jackson shot his picture before the "radio man" blocked his line of
vision. When Curry was ready, he came from his office without a word.
By the look on his face, it was Instantly easy to tell that the entire
complexion of this story was no\-r changed. V/e followed him down into
the police assembly room. I rode in the same elevator with him. He
said nothing. He took up a position in the front of the room. There
were delays v/hile cameramen got into position and vfhile the television
people got set up exactly the way they v/anted to, and then it •,\ras very
disappointing. The chief spoke for a matter of seconds. Less than a
minute. His announcement v/as that Loe Harvey Oswald had expired at 1;07
p.m. He' said he had no further statements at this time. He started to
unhook '' the "vrire necklace" which held a small microphone on his tie
at the breastplate. He was deluged with reques.t-s to repeat vjhat he had
just said for the television cameras. He v/as deluged vrith questions from
reporters, shouting again. He did say he felt that Osv/ald v/as the guilty
man. He was obviously physically unable to say anything more. He v/as
the very picture of a despindent man. Here was a picture of profound
sadness — the face of Jesse Curry. The boner of the Dallas police
department would rank no\-r with the building of the Maginot Line by the
French to knep the Germans from marching into their country during
V/orld VJar II, \v'hen the Gemrans merely went around the thing. Remember
the picture of Frenchmen crying in the streets of Paris then. Only the
tears were missing from the tragedy on Curry's face. We learned that
great cheers went up from the hundreds of people standing outside the
Dallas county jail at the other end of dovmtovn, when it was announced
to them that Oswald would not be coming for he had been shot in the
police station. I have spoken to other people since who have v/itnessed
the shooting on television. They said their first reactions were ones
of great happiness. I think it took many people many minutes to realise
the gravity of the murder of Osv;ald. In the police case of John Wilkes
Booth, there was HHXiiaHiit little doubt about Booth's reasons for murder-
ing a President. There was extreme doubt about v/hether Booth was subse-
quently killed or lived on for many years after. It was an opposite polie
case nov;. There was no doubt that the man charged with the murder of
President Kennedy v/as now dead but the mystery v/ould be why he shot and
killed !a President. Through the afternoon as the attorneys and prospec-
tive attorneys carae-y- there was Droby, and Droby's wife at horn withr^^^e
anonymous threat on her life, there was Toms Howard. There were .-lartp.
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l8 — kennedy
(Jin Martin) and Fred Eruner. There v/as George Sr-n^tor vho came; in,
talkatively, holding an expansive press conference for 10 ninuoes before
the police realized he was there and they v/hlsked him av/ay for ques-
tioning. There was Mrs. F,va Grant, grimly, sadly, shakenly, still
recoverinj; fro-n ma.ior surgery. She was overcome, unable to talk v;ith
the mad pack of reporters v7ho by now were lil<e the (find vrord), the
antagonistic free-lance photographers of Rhonie . There v;as an utterly
heart-broken Capt. '.v'ill Fritz. There was an unsmiling, tight-lioped
Jack Ruby nov; being led down the corri'-'or through the packed huianity
of reporters, just as Oswald had walked the I'ony path in the hours
before. And there was overv/h =lming revulsion. I felt the internal bleed-
ing of tears agin, as there had been in the hospital tv/o days earlier.
This would be the easiest story of all for me to write now. It was the
story of seein-g a onetime friend of nine kill the man charged v/ith
killing the PResident. A. story of recollections of what Jack Ruby was
all about as I remembered hi'r' from my newspaper days in Dallas. There
was a second story to write that evening also, based on the statements
of Kenry Wade. Vince Drain of the FPI v;as back from Washington viith the
two Oswald weapons. He arrived in the police station about 20 minutes
after Oswald was killed. By Sunday evening, in the police assembly
room, Henry Wade made a detailed statement of the "hard" facts un-
covered by the FBI in their laboratory- studies of the weapons in
V/ashington. laccompanied rienry down tne stairs. VJe didn't take the
elevator. Me gave out at least one piece of erroneous information during
his press briefing, which v;ent all over the world and was believed —
which was that Oswald's fingerprints v;ere on the metal baseplate of the
rifle vfhich had killed the President. Instead, Oswald's fingerprints
ware found on the paper wrapping which had b.lan around the gun. 'iede
had been asked by the FBI and the Dallas police not to make a lon:i publi
statement regarding the facts tincovered by the FEI, but he v;ent -head
anyway. Friction sprung up among the police .alements, their feelings
already frayed in the wake of the national tragedy. By Sunday night,
ddspite the darkness, there were cars from Dallas, cars from all over
Texas, cars from the nearby states driving slowly past the place where
the President had been shot, k raacawber proce .sion of cars that lasted
long into the night. TraTfic was backed up for blocks. The procession
v;ould last for days. By Monday, I got beyond the White Plaza Motel-
police station Harwood corner area in daylight for the first time. I
went to the Dallas county jail and v/as able to se • from there the
flowers mounting at the side of the street at the spot of the Kennedy
assassination. When I v/alked to that spot, someone standing there had
a portable radio and taps was being sounded in Arlington Cemetery for
thf^ PResident as he vras being laid to rest. At that moment, people in
Dallasj on a sunny, clear day, v/ere laying more simple bunches of
flowers and more vn-eaths on the grass where I stood. As I had knov/n
Chief Curry HHstx I knew Sheriff Bill Decker and his assistants, "ut
there ^^ras a different atmosphere. Decker welcomed reporters into his
office: but was very firm in his demarkation of rules. In this next two
week period, I was to do a lot of walking, a lot of traveling into the
areas where Ruby and Osv/ald had lived-. I vjas to talk to many people
downtovm and in outlying areas vrhose paths had crossed with the two
infamous men. I v/as to spend very little time — a matter of minutes
and all of that on the telephone — v/ith my old .acquainatnces. Social
friends vrhom I knev/ well. Two neonle I did take time to see v/ere
Kantor Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
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a'bout his orppnrations for th(? dr-fense oT tho youn^ .■-■i.n v/ho is ch.-'.rj'^d
spitting on Adl^.i Stevenson (get date in 1965 and name). Pr-te said his
planned defense now v;as blo'^rn mo jn the air. He had planned to lay the
blame on th« Dallas nev/spapers for creatin:^ the atnosphere v;hich made
the spilling incident a natural event for the younjj man. The essence
here of Dallas is not among those v/ho were terribly crushed and ashamed,
not is it among the other extremists who had no remorse and felt Dallas
v/as in no vmy responsible. It v/as in the vast piirldle ground — vrhere I
found the people anxious to return to nonaal as soon as possible in order
to have a good Christmas season at the store counters and a healthy
mercantile city again. Shopping vras off, Monday through Thanksgiving
Day. (look to notes for examples) Included here should be the remarkable
city council session of Tuesday in which Mayor Cabell and his viev;s
(I have. those views, his speech) were drowned out by councilmen demanding
that a monument be erected' in Dallas for President Kennedy — a physical
monument-- missing the point which Cabell was trying to make.
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•D-3 02 (R.». 3-3-5 9) FEDE RAL BUREAU OF INVEST IGA . lON
D6I* December 3, 1963
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SETH KANTOR, membei' of the V/yjite House Press Corps, and
who represents Scrlpps -Howard Alliance, 1013 Thirteenth Street,
N.W., Washington, D. C, advised that he talked this morning
with Mrs. REX GOODMAN, Apartment Manager where RUBY received
mall, at 3929 Rawlins, Dallas, Texas.
Mrs. GOODMAN told KANTOR that late Friday afternoon,
November 22, JACK RUBY visited EVA GRANT, with a sack of
what appeared to be groceries. During the afternoon, according
to Mrs. GOODMAN, she went to EVA GRANT'S room and she was very
distraught over the Presidents death.
12/3/63 Dallas, Texas ^ , .. DL 44-1639
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Kantob Exhibit No. 6
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ro-jo: (R.». 3-3-5») r'EDERAL BUREAU OF INYESTIGATH_N 3 ^' <^. J_
Dscembcr 3, 1S63
Kr. SETH KANTOR, a mambar of the Washington Press
Corps, Scripps- Howard Alliance, 1013 13th Street Northvar^t,
• Uiishington, D.C., stated that he was assigned by his paper
to cover the trip to Texas of President JOHN F. KEHIGDY. Mc
stated he was riding in the special bus v;hich carried the
I'Jhite Kouse correspondents on November 22, 1963. KANTOR
^related that this bus was several car lengths behind the
President's car, but as they were necring the corner of Elm
and Houston Streets in Dallas, he heard three shots. He
thought these were shots, but some of the press men thought
the first shot was only a backfire of an automobile.
He advised they x^ere then taken in the bus to
I'larket Hall, where originally President KENNEDY had intended
to address a meeting there at a luncheon on November 22,
1963, Upon arrival at this Hall, he obtained the service
of someone, whom he does not recall, to take him to Parkland
Hospital,
Upon arriving at Parkland Hospital, IC/iNTOR went
• to the emrgency area of the hospital and remained with other
nav.'smen. Shortly before 1:30 p.m., November 22, 1963, the
newsmen were notified that^K^LCOLM KILDUFF, the I-Jhite House
Press Aide, was to make a historical announcement. The
newsmen followed KILDUFF out of the emergency area which
leads to the west side of Parkland Hospital and to the
southwest corner of Parkland Hospital. Upon arrival at
the southwest corner of Parkland Hospital, KILDUFF entered
the door, v^ent in a small area, and then upstairs to a room
where the announcement of the President's assassination was
made at 1:30 p.m., November 22, 1963.
Upon enteriug the southwest corner of the building,
he felt someone tug at his coat, and it V7as JACK RUBY, whom
KANTOR had known in Dallas, Texas, when KANTOR was on the
staff of the, Dallas Times Herald newsDaDer._ KANTOR related
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Kantor Exhibit No. 7
428
. 89-43
aat: he filed a story for his paper following this, but ha
Ld remember the time that RUBY tugged his coat because it
IS about two minutes before KILDUFF made the announcement
t the President's death. KANTOR states he would place the tiue
: about 1:28 p.m. when RUBY tugged the back of his coat and
liked with him.
KANTOR filed a story x;hich he says is fairly
raplete about the events that afternoon for his paper back
1 Washington. KANTOR does not know whether or not this
IS been used, and it is being set forth verbatim:
"Dallas. Nov. 25 - To my utter amazement I
watched the man charged with killipg President KENNEDY
gunned to death by a friend of mine, JACK RUBY.
"It happened less than ten feet from where I
..was standing in the basement of the Dallas Police
•■• Station. LSE EARVEY OSW.^J.D was being led to an armored
car in the basement driveway, Ke was to be transferred
to the Dallas County Jail.
"There was heavy police protection for OSWALD.
Each of us nev/smen had been carefully checked -- we
showed our credentials — before being allowed into the
basement driveway area to watch OSWALD get into the
transfer van.
"OSWALD was near where I stood. I was locking
into his face, Ke had a scant smile. He was freshly
shaved, and his face appeared to beam with cleanliness.
"At this point I heard Vice Squad Detective
3. H, COMBEST shout, 'JACK — you son of a bitch.'
■""OZZST was standing in front of OSWALD.
?.UBT rv.-io 1-jaging past COMBEST like a stocky, five
foot - nine inch porpoise, his arms extended, a pistpl
at the end of it. As the muzzle came to OSWALD'S
stomach, the gun went off.
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"I watched OSWALD'S face contort from cleanliness
to horror. As his body crumpled, he let out the last
sound of his life, a spine-chilling moan.
"The last time ^ I had seen OSW.\LD's killer, RUBY,
was two days earlier. It v;as at Parkland Memorial
Hospital, moments before the nev;s was official that
President KENNEDY was dead. I had come to Texas
covering the President's trip.
"I felt a tugging at the back of my coat, I
turned. RUBY put out his hand. He shook hands nus±»ly,
having minutes earlier witnessed the tragic events of
the President's assassination.
'"This is horrible,' RUBY said. 'I think I
ought to close my place for three days because of this
tragedy. f/Jhat do you think?' His places are downtown
strip joint and saloon.
"I agreed that he should shut them temporarily,
but I spent no more time talking to hira because I was
hurrying behind the pale and shaken MALCOLM KILDUFF,
the White House press aide, who was on his v/ay to make
the historical announcement the. the President was dead,
"Before Friday, I had not seen the 52 year old
RUBY for nearly tv;o years since leaving Texas to be a
reporter in Washington, D. C.
"I sav7 much of RUBY, whose real last name is
RUBENSTSIN, when I lived in Dallas. He was a fellow who
usually wore a diamond stickpin and who came to me fre-
quently with an idea for a newspaper stoify.
"Taese were weird things, these stories, but
unmarried RUBY always has been attracted to tinxisual
people.
Kantor Exhibit No. 7 — Continued
430
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"There was a snake charmer he knew -- a suburbr.r.
Dallas housewife who kept large snakes in craces in her
house. Her husband was an accountant. At night, she
performed in RUBY's night club stripping off her clothes
while a snake coiled around her arms and legs.
"I did another story about the male West Indies
limbo dancer whom RUBY brought here as a performer,
had taken a liking to and was sponsoring for U. S.
citizenship.
"That is the V7ay ho v;as. '^en he liked you, he
wanted to -"o anything and everything he could to help
you. If he didn't like somebody, 'he would cxirse them
and fight them. He has had a few arrests here because
of the passionate ways in v7hich he had expressed his
feelings of dislike for people.
"'I came up the hard, tough way in Chicago,' he
once told me. 'I have been around real thugs. I can
handle myself.'
"But one time I remember him bringing his nephew
here 'to educate the kid. A man needs an education
to get anywhere decent. I don't like the way I have
wound up -- in the girlie- show business. I-Jhat kind of
a life is that for a man?'
"Friday I saw tears brimming in JACK RUBY's eyes
when he searched my face for news of the President's
condition.
"Yesterday, I spoke to GEORGE SENATOR, who has
known RUBY eight years, SENATOR and RUBY have been
sharing a four-x-oom house for $125.00 a month since
September. SENATOR said that RUBY 'had been grieving'
since the President's death.
"RUBY was a non-political man as I knew hira, but
he was always emotional. How was the emotional man able
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Kantob Exhibit No. 7 — Continued
431
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to walk into the police to.cion basement yesterday
ir.orning and murder the un-c:>otional man charged with
killing the President? I couldn't believe my eyes.
The precautions taken by the Dallas Police were
thorough. They even :^earched the Tristine elevator
shaft leading from OSWALD'S upstairs cell to the
basement to make sure no assassin had found a hiding • •
place.
"RUBY knew and was known by many Dallas police.
He was allowed in, somehow. He was JACK RUBY the
kibitzer in the jail basement, just as he had been
JACK RUBY the kibitzer at the hospital where President
KENNEDY died. He was a familiar face at all kinds of
strange events in this city. But yesterday he stopped
being the kibitzer."
KANTOR related that he did not actually see RUBY,
but he saw RUBY's arm extending forth with a gun toward OSWALD,
and the reason he did not see RUBY v;as in view of the fact
that his attention was focused on OSWALD'S face at the time of
the shooting. l^Jhen he heard gunfire, he turned his eyes and
there were the police grabbing RUBY. In the excitement
K^^NTOR stated he does not remember just who was down in the
basement of the building, as he was concentrating on his own
story.
KAi\^rOIv st:-oOd that the reason he v/as at the police '
station on November 24, 1963, was the fact that the night before,
so.-ueone vi/ith the Press Corps, asked Chief of Police JESSE CURRY,
Dallas Police Bepax'tment, what time the transfer would be :.:ade of'
LEE HAIIVEY OSV//iLD to the Dallas County Jail. Chief CURRY replied
that if the press v/as back the next morning, November 24, 1033, by
10:00 AT.I, it would be early enough. KANTOR stated that he slept
late and walked over 'to the Dallas police station, arriving
there about 10:40 AIJ, ' November 24, ' 1933, thinking the transfer
had already been made. Upon arrival he went immediately to the
basement of the building prior to the time OSWALD was brought
down to the basement, and was there, as had been sot forth, at
the time JACK RUBY shot LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
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Kantok Exhibit No. 7 — Continued
432
3.3c-i (R»v. i-2i-60) "cDiRAL BUREAU CF !K'V£ST!GAT' - —
::-:. SET:^ ICAK'GR, £cri::-os-Eov/ard Staff Writer, "^7ashi:^2;v;cn
ally Nev/s" Building, 1013 13tl Street, IT. T'/. , Uasr-ihgton, D. C,
dvised he definitely zz\'i z.:zd talked xj±ta JACK RUBY on Hover.ber L2 ,
S53, at the Parkland I-^ospital, Dallas, Texas. Ee stated Le
reviously furnisbeci this inforr-ation to tl-e FBI in Dallas ar.d a
ouple of days ia-cer upon beinc; interviev/ed by Captain JC'..T22 of the
alias Police Bapartr.e:it e:;ecutod a detailed signed statcu.-rit
hov/ing this information. — :
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ICAiTTO?. stated ie fully realizes the in:portanc<e of what
e has said, i.e., that he sav/ and tallced with RUBY at -t'-he Parkland
ospital, Novecber 23, 1933. He hr.cws a Mian's life is at stalce, and
or that reason wants to be as specific as possible.
Ee stated he wrote an article shov/ir.3 he sav/ RUBY about
:2S p.m., at the Parl:land Eospitai. Upon reflection, he stated,
ealizing the iuport ,3 of the matter, it nisht have been about
:C0 p.Li. , rather th-- 1:23 p.m. Ee is positive, hov/ever, that
t was I\ov8i-ber 22, 1SS3.
JIAIiTGZi stated it had to be at the Parkland Hospital. Ee
^plained froa the airport in Dallas he j^oined the Presidential
Dtorcade. Ee was la a V'hite Hc_3e Precs Bus v.'ith other reporters.
3 heard shots and the bus proceeded to the Trade Hart in Dallas.
Dniebcdy at the Trade Hart called the Dallas Police and asked what
2.d happened. He was tolv. the Presiden'c had 'i.een shot ar.d had been
slien to the Parkland Hospital. Scnebcdy o- c-her took kin and about
ix other reporters to the hospital in his station wagon. They
rrived at the hospital about _-;:50 p.:::. Ee sav/ U. S. Senator
flRBORCUGH of Texas outside the hospital. Ee spoke to h— briefly,
fter identifying hiaiself, a police officer took hin in the hospital,
lis was about 12:55 p.n. Across frc:a the emergency surgery rooa he
aoned V/ashinr^ton and was on the phone about 20 liinutes. After
ailing Washington, he spoke to Texas U. S. Congressmen ALBERT
iiOEAS and I-ZSI^RY C-OITZ/iLEZ who were in the emergency ward area.
PJLC0L2! KILDUFP, PIERRE SALIESER's assistant, told everyone on -ka
;ene that he had an announcement to ■inzl^.e and that everyone should
3llov/ him. EILDUPF v/alked off and ID2RRIMAN SIIITZ, of United Press
iternational, and AL CROELEY of the "Oklahoisa City Oklahoman,"
iiked on each side of EILDUFF, tallying to hira, apparently trying
3 find out v/hat had haot)ened. Three or four others, identities
:>t recalled, and hir.:3lf , followed XILDUFF, SEITH and CRCEDEY. ^
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A5 he v/ent in 'chjs entrance, thres oi- four stops in, ha fel'c a "wUj
at the bcttciii oi his coat. lie turned arcund. It v/as JACIC R'J3Y.
v/i^ch ?.U"3Y. Ru3Y then said sc--.v3thins to the effect, "Isn't this a
terrible thinsr? Do you think Z oucht to close r_y places for three
days?" KAivTOH replied to the ef f ec~ , "Yes, I think you should."
X.'.lvTCPv specifically recalled that RU3Y said ''three days." I^AiTfC'-';
s-catau that was all there vas to 'f^-e conversation. He stated that
cuite frankly he gave P-UBY the hrush-off. lie did this because he
was nost interested in what XILLj?? vac -zo announce and did not v/a:
to take the time to talk to RU3Y. I-Ie could not ^recall what RUBY was
wearing other than he believes he wac 1 tless.
KILDUF? followed by 'z'^e roporworc proceeded ";o a sial-:e-
shift press rccn in the hospi'jal and announced that President I-IENI'Ci;ii
v/as dead. This announce:::en'i; was rr-ade at 1:30 p.r.i., iCove:.:ber 22,
1S63. ■ ICAInITCR stated he had talked v/itl RUBY o'^st prior there"co so
he figures he talked to hi.Ji about 1*— 3 'o ii After i^aiiin^* 'che
^anaouncenent , XILDU^'I? stated ha would have another announceraent in
aoouc ten r^inu'ces. -._-ji^O— .>° _ei.'c 'che rocivi.
After hearing the announce-icnt , 1137_'CR got on the first
available phone in the ?arkla.'.,d Zospital and sL:.lled the Scripps-
Roward Office in V/ashington, D. C. Re uas on the phone about 15
lainutes. Ee "chen v/en"; back to the rAalce-shift press roo:::. RI1;DU?F
was not there.
BILL STIaSGRj an adr.inistrative aid to Te;:as Governor
JCRN E. CGi'Il'I-^JlLY , v/as in the „ake-shift press roo:^. Another aid,
JULIAN O. RB/Jj, v/as with hi:n. STIisSOl"! for the benefit of the
reporters present recor-Lcructed on a blackboard v/here President
IvElTRT^DY , Governor CGYj-'IALLY and their wives v/ere seated in the
motorcade. Vfnile STZ>I23JI and RB.^Z> v;ere talking, JIC-GS FAUVER,
head of transportation at the Y.'hi"ce House, interrupted and tcld
ail present that a press pool car v/as needed to go to Love Field.
This v/as about 2:00 p.m.
About 2:00 p.n., EAIvrCR stated, he left the :?.ake-shift
press roor: along v/ith other reporters. Uhen h3 got outside the
hospital he decilded not to go to Love Field, wninliing perhaps r:ore
.news v/ould be available in the jnaks-shift press roo:^. I^imediately
Kantor Exhibit No. 8 — Continued
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itside the hospital he saw Sonczor YAP.BCRCUGH , Te:-:as Ccnjjressr.ian
Ati TEAC-L'E and MSNRY GONZALEZ and Dallas L'ayor EARL CABELL. They
sre Y/aiting for transportation to go to Love Field. KAaTOR stated
3 tried to get some iniornatio:^ fror. thoni aad then, re-entered tlcKi
jspit al .
As KANTOR entered the hospital, P.U3Y v/as standing inside
le entrance. It was either here that he saw and talked with RUBY
; reported herein or at the \,i.:' he was following XILBUFF as above.
IKTOR stated he is not certain whether it was about 1:2S p.u. or
)Out 2:00 p.n. rie is "csitive, howex'er, that he saw and talked
.th RUBY at the Parkland Hospital, Nove:.:ber 22, iSS3. It was about
: 28 p.m. or about 2:00 p.iu.
He described the iir.r.iediataly foregoing entrance as on
le south side of the hospital. It laight have been the nain
itrance but it v/as rather sn:all.
KANTOR stated he was in Dallas frc-i September, 1930, to
ly, 1962, at which time he worked for the "Dallas Tir-es I.erald"
jwspaper. Shor'cly after starting work with this paper he r.et
iCK RUBY. RUBY v;as a nightclub operator and quite naturally
mted publicity for his clubs. 1-Ja frequently approached KANTOR
.th stories publicizing his interests. KA}>'TOR specifically
icalled he wrote one story furnished by RIJBY. It was about a
tripper who used snakes in her act. IvAI:frCR stated there is no
lestion tha'i: he knows JACK RUBY v/hen he sees him.
Z;iNTOR reitera-^cd it was November 22 and at the Parkland
^spital that he saw and spoke with RUBY. It was not prior or
ibsecuent thereto. K/JCTOR stated he was at the hospital November ■
5, and did not return to the hospital until about ten days there-
'ter. ■' RU'BY was in custody v/hen he returned to the hospital. It
j.d to be November 22 that RUBY was there.
KJdT^GR stated '. . \.as unable to furnish the identify of
:yone who might have soon hira talking v/ith RUBY. About 1:23 p.m.,
ie:.-.j vas a big rush fo-illc -ing KILDUFF, as previously stated, and
i ii certain iJERRILIAI^ SLilTH and AL CRGULEY 'were so engrossv^d talking
C /x 3 a -1-
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ABLI : j nun
YVi1:b. KILBUFFj also they v/ere in front of liiiu, tliat they could not
have seen bin with RUBY. Ee is lilcev/iso certcin the other roportcr^,
identifies net recalled, paid r.o particular attention to hi:^, having
their minds on what KILDUFi? v/as to anr.cance.
About 2:00 p.n. , when he re-entered the hospital, after
talking with the officials previo-usly referred to, IvAl\'_'w?^ staged,
he obsei-ved hospital personnel, identities not Zcnown, in the entrance.
lie believes they were personnel hecause. of their white garb. If it
was there he sav/ RUBY raxher than about 1:23 p.u. , the personnel
Y/ould not remember it because they were not paying ^^V particular
attention to him.
K/usTTCR stated af-jer re-enterinj the hospital about 2: GO
p.m., he went to the nalce-shift press roon; in the hospital. KILDUZT?
was not there. K/J}^1'CR S'cated he subseruently left the press roori
and got on a press bus en route to Love Field. He checked his notes
and advised they shov/ a notation by him at 2:30 p.n. , written while
on the bus, tha^c be observed nobs of curiosity seekers driving around
the Parkland Hospital.
ICANTCa stated he next and last sav/ RUBY in the Dallas Jail.
This was Sunday, Novenber 24, 1953, at which time RUBY was being led
by the Dallas Police from an ui^per floor of the jail. KrJ^CP. stated
he looked directly at RUBY and RUBY appeared to be looking directly
at him. RUBYj however, showed no signs . f recognition. RUBY'S
complexion was pasty, his face was grim and his lips v/ere drawn
tightly together.
KANTOR gave a note to ART HAT-ILIET, a Dallas police officer,
who v/orks in the office of Dallas Police Captain GLEN XIKG, asking
that HATHIST give the note to RUBY. The note read, "JACK, Can I
please talk to you, SBTa." IiAT.i:.ffiT told him he would try to see
that RUBY got the note, but cautioned ICAI'ITCR that he could not make
any promises that RL^Y would get the note. Subsequently, KAINTCR
stated, he gave the same type note to TC:.I EGv/ARD, RUEY's lawyer,
and asked that HOWARD give xt to RUBY. EOUARD said he would. •
KANTOR stated he received no reply to these notes.
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Kantor Exhibit No. 8 — Continued
436
7F0 44-520
!iBLI:jmm «
SANTOR was pointedly told by interviewing agents that RUSY
aas emphatically denied he was at Parkland Hospital at any tine'
(November 22, 1963, or subsequent. KA1\"TCR was specifically asked
vhether he might be mistal^en about seeing RUBY there November 22.
UlKlOR reiterated he is absolutely certain he saw and spoke with
•iUBY at the Parkland Hospital on November 22.
ICANTOR was told that he might be called upon to testify in
this case. He v/as asked v/hat he would .say if under oath and on the
witness stand in a court of law to the question, "Did ycu see and
talk with RUBY at the Parkland Hospital on November 22, l£o3?"
CAI'iTCR stated he would answer, "Yes," because he is absolutely
:ert ain he did.
KANTCR speculate'd that perhaps RUBY has said he v/as not
It the Parkland Eos_:-ital on November 22, as part of his reported
)lea of temporary insanity. KAl-JTOR stated be is not acquainted v/ith
ill facets of such a pic^ but felt it might help RUBY's cause for RUBY to
ieny being at the hospital v/hen he knov/s he v/as, and that ZANTOR
/ould have to testify that he sav/ him there. Then too, KANTCR
stated, RUBY might have been in emotional shock and cannot recall
jeing -s,t the hospital.
EA1\^0R stated J;a did not knew LE3 EAEV2Y OSWALD, and he
ices not know v/hether RUBY knew OSWALD. He stated he does not know
,'_-ther there v/as any connection betv/een RUBY and OSV/ALD.
IL^^CTOR stated he wants to cooperate with the FBI anyv/ay
jossible , and the FBI should consider him at all times available
or interview.
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Kantor Exhibit No. 8 — Continued
437
O, otanlcy F. Kauimn ;;;.diibit 1
>TD.iP' (B.T. J.J.59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA I iun —-.^ -^
11/26/63, V*
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STANLEY P. KAUFMAN, 1520 Mercantile Securitloa
r.ulldlng, advised that he has known JACK RUBY slpce 195^
Jind hao repreoented him in several civil mattery pertaining to
ti-j;? night night club business In Dallas.
KAUFMAN stated he knows nothing about RUBY'S
activities while in Chicago prior to coming to Dallas, but
knows that for the past nine or ten years he has attended
the same synagogue as he attends and he considers RUDY one
of 'the raoat active Jewish bachelors In the synagogue.
KAUFMAN stated he knows of no trips' that RUBY
has made, with the exception of a vaca'/^.on trip to Cuba aome
years back prior to the time CASTRO took over, at which time
he went down to visit some acquaintance, name not. now recalled,
who worked in a casino there, as well as a trip to Ch)lcaf^o some
years back in connection with the death of his father. He
stated he does not know LEE HARVEY OSWALD and npver heard OSV/ALD
mentioned by RUBY. KAUFMAN stated he heard over TV that RUBY
had asked for three attorneys and that his name was mentioned,
but he has received no contact from RUBY since hia arrest and,
since he does not handle criminal cases, he would not repre-
sent RUBY in connection with this pending charge against RUBY. ,>
He stated RUBY has never had a bank account to his knowledge v^
and has always paid for his services in cash. He stated he
knows of only two persons who might be able to furnish perti-
nent Information concerning RUBY, one RALPH PAUL, of Dallas,
who has. or had some business connection with RUBY, an^ ALICE
NICHOLS, a girl friend or former girl friend of RUBY, who
reaidea at 8707 Redondo.
KAUFMAN stated that on the morning of November
23, 1 19^3) HUBY called him, appeared to be very upset, and
as'r^ed him if he had read the article placed In phq Dal.'f^aa
News by a BERNARD WEISSMAN. KAUFMAN stated that he' told
RUl^Y he had seen it and RUBY asked, "Did you notice that
this ad was bordered in black, which makes it look like a
death tip?" KAUFMN stated that RUBY wanted to. know who
WEISSr4AN was and how he could get in touch with" him and if
Mr. FREEDMAN, of the Anti-Defamation League, could furnish
him any Information as to the whereabouta of BERNARD WEISSI-IAN.
He. stated RUBY also told him that he had tried to locate
this WEISSMAN through the Poat Office Department, but was
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unable to do so. KAUFMAN stated that RUBY told him that he
had been to the Dallas News Advertising Department and had
raised "hell" with the Ad Department lor accepting such an ad.
ICAUFTIAN stated that from his contacts with
RUBY and the civil matters he has handled for hlro ho Is aware
that RUBY Is quick tempered, and that It Is his opinion RUBY
had no asslstanoa or guidance In connection with his shooting
of OSWALD.
Kaufman Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
439
FIRST IirERVILW OF
LSS IIARVEY OS-;/uLD
At about 10:30 A.M., Kovenber 23, 19o3, I attended my first interview
v.'ith Ocvald. Pr-coat during the intervieu at the Eoniicide Division, Dallas
Police Dopiirtment, wore Spcciia AC'^nt Jim Bookhoub, FBI; Captain V/ill Fritz,
Herbicide Division, Dallas Police Deparo.oentj U. S. I-Iarshal Robert Kash;
SA David Grant and SAIC Sorrels; and Officers Eoyd and Hall of Captain
Fritz's detail. The interviev; v/as not recorded. Mr. Sorrels and my pi'esencc
was as observers, since Oswald v/as being held for murder and his custody and
intorrocation at that time was the responsibility of the Dallas Police De-
partment.
In response to questions put by Captain Fritz, Oswald said that im-
mediately after having left the building where he worked, he went by bus to
the theater where he was arrested; that when he got on the bus he secured a
transfer and thereafter transferred to other buses to get to his destination.
Ke denied that he brought a j>ackagc to work on that day and ho denied that
he load ever had any conversation about curtain rods with the boy named VJesley
who drove him to his employ:ucnt. Fritz asked him if he had ridden a taxi
that day and Oswald then changed his story and said that when he got on the
bus he found it ims going too e1o\." and after two blocks he got off the bus
and took a cab to his home; that he passed the time with the cab driver and
that the cab driver had told hira that the President was shot. Ke paid a cab
fare of 85^.
In response to q.uestions, he stated that this was the first time he had
ever ridden in a cab since a bus wus always available. He said he went home,
changed his trousers and shirt, put his chirt in a drawer. This was a red
shirt, and he put it v;ith his dirty clothes. He described the shirt as
having a button down collar and of reddish color. The trousers were grey
colored .
Ke said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him.
Ec described one of them as "Junior", a colored bey, and the other was a
little short negro boy. Ho said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread, fruit,
and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he went to work.
He c.-^ited that Mrs. Paine practiceg^ Russian by having his wife live with
her. lie ^cnicd that he had ever owned/ 'iflo. He said ho does not knov/ Mr.
Paine vei-y well but that Paine usually co;:ios by the place where his wife was
living with Mx'S. Paine on Friday or \Jednc:;day. He stated that Mr. Paine has
a car and Mrs. Paine has had tv;o cars. Ke said in response to questions by
Captain Fritz that his effects were in Mrs. Paine' s garage and that they con-
sisted of two sea bags with come other packages contr-initig his personal be-
longings ar.d that he had brought those back from Kew Orleans with hira sometime
in September. He stated that his brother, Robert, lived at 7313 Davenport
Street, F. • L \/orth, and that the Paines wore his closest friends in town.
He denied that he had ever joined the Conmunist party; that ho never had a
Comrauuist card. He did belong to the American Civil Liberties Union and had
KELLEry Exhibit A
440
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Page 2.
jaid $5 a year dues. He stated that he had bought the pistol that wao
'ound in his possession when he was arrested about seven months ago.
le refused to answer any questions concerning the pistol or a gun until
le talked to a lawyer.
Oswald stated that at various other tines he had been thoroughly
Interrogated by the FBI; that they had used all the usual interrogation
jractices and all their standard operating procedure; that he was very
'aniliar with interrogation, and he had no intention of answering any
j^UGStions concerning any shooting; that he knew he didnot have to answer
;he.T. and that he would not answer any questions until he had been given
;ounscl. He stated that the FBI had used their hard and soft approach to
lim, they used the buddy system; that he was familiar with all types of
questioning and had no intention of making any statements. Ee said that
n the past three weeks when the FBI had talked to his wife, they were
busive and impolite; that they had frightened his wife and he considered
heir activities obnoxious. Ke stated that he wanted to contact a Mr. Abt,
I. New York lawyer whom he did not know but who had. defended the Smith Act
victims" in 19^9 or 1950 in connection with a conspiracy^ against the
tovernizent; that Abt would understand what this case was all about and that
le v/ould give him an excellent defense. lie stated in returning a question
bout his former addresses that he lived at 4907 I'ligazine Street in New
)rleans at one time and worked for the William Riley Company; that hs was
irrect^J in Hew Orleans for disturbing the peace and paid a $10 fine while
le was demonstrating for the Fair Play for Cuba Cosroittee; that he had a
'ight v:ith some anti-Castro refugees and that they were released while he
'as fined.
Upon questioning by Captain Fritz, he said, "I have no views on the
resident." "Ify wife and I like the President's family. They are in-
eresting people. I liave my own views on the President's national policy.
have a right to express my viev;s but because of the charges I do not
hink I should comment further." Os\?ald said "I am not a malcontent;
lOthing irritated me about the President." Ee said that dvuring I962 he was
aterviewcd by the FBI and that he at that time refused to take a polygraph
nd that he did not intend to take a polygraph test for the DaJJLas police,
t this time Captain Fritz showed a Selective Service Card that was taken out
f his wallet which bore the name of Alex Hidell. Oswald refused to discuss
his after being asked for an explanation of it, both by Fritz and by James
ookhoutj the FBI Agent. I asked him if he viewed the parade and he said he
ad not. I then asked him if he had shot the President and he said he had not.
asked him if he had shot Governor Connally and he said he had not. Ee did
ot intend to answer further questions without counsel and that if he could not
et Abt, then he would hope that the Civil Liberties Union would give him an
ttorney to represent him. At that point Captain Fritz terminated the inter-
iew at about 11:30 A.M., II-23-63.
Inspector
Kelley Exhibit A — Continued
Thomas J. fu^>a.cy - OQQ
441
on NOVEI-EER 23, 1953
At about 12:35 P.M., iroveniber 23, 15^3, L=e Oo'.;ald v;as interviewed in
the ofi"ice of Captain Will Fritz of the IIo:rJ.cide Divisioa, Dallas Police De-
partn:ent. Arno.13 thoce preccnt at this interview wore Inspector Kellcy,
Captain Fritz, Detectives Scnl:el and Ticrnon of the Uonicido Division and
£A Jair.es Eoolcout, FBI. Captain Fritz conducted the Interview which was
concerned KOGtly with Oswald's places of residence in Dallas and was an
attempt to ascertain where the bulk of Oswald's bclon^in^s v;ere located In
Dallas. As a result of the interview, Os\/ald furnished information to
Captain Fritz that most of his personal effects, including a sea bag, were
in the gai-ago at the address of Mrs. Paine, 25I5 V/est 5th Street, Irviag,
Texas .
The intervievj v/as concluded about 1:10 />. M. and immediately
thereafter nieKbers of the Iloaicide Division secured a search
v;arrant and recovered Osv:ald's effects froa the homo of Mrs.
Paine. Found ar.ons the effects were tAv-o different poses in
snapshot type photographs taicen of Osv/ald holding a rifle in
one hand and holdin^j up a copy of a paper called the Militant
and "The V'orker" in the other hand. Oswald v:a3 wearing a
revolver in a holster on his riglit side. This photograph was
enlarged by the Dallas Police Labox-atories and was used as a
basis of additional ouestioning of Oswald at approximately
6:00 P.M. that sau.3 evening.
On IJovember 23, 1953, az 6:00 P.M., in the office of Captain Fritz,
nor.iicide Division, Dallas Police Department, I was present at an Interview
with Oswald. Also present were Captain Fritz, FEI Agent Jin Eoolvhoutt, and
four ofi'cers fro:^ the Ho.zicide Division. This Interview was conducted with
0s».'ald for the pxirpose of displaying to liin the blow-ups of photographs shov;-
ing hi::i holding a rifle and a pistol which wore seized as a result of the
search \/arrant for the garage of Mi'S. Paine at 2515 V'est 5'th Street, Irving,
To>:as. V.'hen the photographs were presented to Oswald, he sneered at them
saying that they were fake photographs; that he had been photographed a
;.-j:i;ber of times the day before by the police and apparently after they
photographed hiiu they superimposed on the photogx'aphs a rifle and put a gun
in his pocket. He ■,jt into a long argurient with Captain Fritz about his
knowledge of photography and asked Fritz a nuinber of tiaes whether the
Eir.aller photograph was made froni the larger or whether the larger photograph
was made fron the snaller. lie said ao the proper tine he would show that the
photographs were falces. Fritz told hi:a that the smaller photogi-aph was taken
froa his effects at the go rage. Csv.-ald became arrogant and refused to answer
any further questions concerning the photographs and would not identify the
photogi-aphs as being a photograph of hinself . Captain Fritz displayed great
patience and tenacity in attempting to secure frca Oswald the location of what
apparently is the backyard of an address at which Oswald fonnerly lived, but
it v/as apparent that Osv/ald, tliougii slightly shaken by the evidence, had no
intention of furnishing any information.
The interview was terminated at about 7:15 P.M.
Thcjnas J.
Inspector
Kelxey Exhibit A — Continued
442
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U. S. S3cra« ?ervic3
Chief Novenbsr 2?, 1963
In-pector Kolley '"\^ y
Prsliriino-ry Special Dallas Report 'j 3
Covers ohirJ intorvicw vith Csuald and
circuinstancas irxcdiatsly follov;ins his r.urder
lis int3rvieu started at approxir^toly 9:30 All on Sunday, NovcnbGr 2U, 1963.
intervieij was conducted in th3 office of Captain V;ill Fritz of tha Hor.icids
irsau, Dallas Police. Present at the interview in addition to Osv.'ald tjera
•ptain Fritz, Foetal Inspector Iloln^s, SAIC Sorrels, Inspector Kelley and four
rbers of the Hordcide Sq^aad. The intox^icj had just begun when I arrived and
ptain Fritz was a:;ain requesting Oswald to identify the place where the photo-
raph of hin hcldir::3 the gun was taken. Captain Fritz indicated that it would
ivo the Police a ^vizX. deal of tir.e if he woui- tell then t;her3 the place was
cated. Cr.;ald refused to discuss the natter. C::ptain Fritz asked, "Are you
Corrunist?" Cc'.:ald cntTjercd, "ITo, I am a Tarnist but I am not a Marxist
ninist". Captain Fritz asked hin what the difference was and Csvjald said it
:uld take too Icn^ to explain it to hir.. Oswald said that he becare interested
1 the Fair Play for Cuba Ccr.r.ittee x;hiie he t;as in New Orleans; thj.t ha wrote
the Ccrrittee's Ilea'^cuai-fcors in ITew York and received some Corrattoe litera-
jre and a letter signed '^-j .'.lex Plidoll. Ke ijtated that he began to distribute
:iat literature in ire:.' Grler.ns and it was at that tiir.e that he get into an
Ltercation i.ith a group a;:d ho was arrested. He said his opinions concerning
iir Play for Cuba are well known j that he appeared on Bill Stukey's television
:ogran in iroif Orleans on a number of occasions and was interviewed by the local
often. JHe denies Imcwing or ever seeing Kidell in New Orleans, said he
elieved in all of the tenets of the Fair Play for Cuba and the things which the
;ir Play for Cuba Ccr.-.-ittee stood for, ■whic'!-. was free intercourse with Cuba and
reedon for tourists of the both countries to travel within each other's borders.
fuLC
rong ether things, Os'.jald said that Cuba should h^ave f6^<Hd diplocatic rolaticn-
•2ip with the United States. I asked hin if he thought that the President's '
issassination icould liave any effect on the Fair Play for Cuba Ccmittes. He said
■ere t;ould be no change in the attitude of the .Irerican people toward Cuba with
rosident Johnson becc:.".ing President because they both belonged to the car.3
olitical party and the one x.'ould follo-u pretty generally the policies of the
ih:;r. Ke stated -'■.at he is an avid reader of Russian literature uliether it is
jrjTunistic or nctj that he subscribes to "Taa Kilitant", which, he says, is the
:ekly of the Socialist party in the United Statss (it is a copy of "The Kilitant"
lat Oswald is cho:;n holding in t:.e photograph taken froa his effects at Irving
:.r3 3t). At that tire he asked r.3 whether I was an FBI Agent and I said that I
IS not that I was a r.erber of the Secret- Service. Ha said ;;hen he was standing
1 front of the Textbook Building and about to leave it, a young crew-cut Ean
jshed up to bin and said he was frcn the Secret Service, showed a book of
iontificaticn, and asked hi^. where the phone was. Oswald said he pointed toward
le pay phone in the building and that he saw the ran actually go to the phone
jfora ha left. 17 7
Kelley Exhibit A — Continued
443
2.
00-2-3li,030
I asked Oswald whether u a Harxiet he believed that religion was an opiate
of the people and he said rery definitely- ao that all organised religions tend
to become nonopolistie and are the ftanses of a great deal of class warfare. I
asked hin whether he considered the Catholic Church to be an enes^r of the
Connmmist philosophy and he said well, there was no Catholicisn in Russiaj
that the closest to it is the Orthodox Chm*ches but he said he would not further
discuss his opinions of religion sines this was an attenpt to have him say 80bs»
thing which could be oonstrtied as being anti-religious or anti Catholic.
Capt. Frits displayed an Ehco street nap of Dallas which had been found among
Oswald's effect at the rooming house. Oswald was asked whether the nap was his
and whether he had put sone sarks on it. He said it was his and reniarked ">ty'
Qod don't tell ne there's a nark near where this thing happened". The nark was
pointed out to hia and he said "What about the other narks on the nap?- I put a
number of narks on it. I was looking for work and narked the places where I went
for jobs or where I heard there were Jobs".
Since it was obvious to Captain Friti that Oswald was not going to be coopsratiye, .
he teminated the inteirriew at that tine.
I approached Oswald then and, out of the hearing of the others except perhaps one
of Captain Fritz's nen, said that as a Secret Service agent, we are anxious to
talk with hin as soon as he had secured counseli that we were responsible for the
safety of the Presidentj that the Dallas Police had charged hin with the assassi-
nation of the President but that he had denied it| we were therefore very anxious
to talk with hifii to nake certain that the correct story was developing as it
related to the assassitaation. He said that he would be glad to discuss this
proposition with his attorney and that after he talked to one, we could either
discuss it with hin or discuss it with his attorney, if the attorney thought it
was the wise thing to do, but that at the present tine he had nothing nore to say
to me. Oswald was then handed some different clothing to put on. The clothing
Included a sweater. Captain Frits nade a nunber of telephone calls to asceirtain
whether the preparations he had placed into effect for transferring the prisoner
to the County Jail were ready and upon being so advised. Captain Frits and nembsrs
of the Detective Bureau escorted Oswald from the Homicide Office on the third
floor to the basement where Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby.
On the completion of the interview, SAIC Sorrels and I proceeded to the office of
the Chief of Police on the third floor and were discussing the interview when we
heard that Oswald had been shot. We both ran down the steps to the basement. I
arrived in the ante-roon where they had dragged Oswald. SAIC Sorrels located and
interviewed Ruby, Someone was beirfing over Oswald with a stethoscope and he
appeared to be unconscious in very serious condition at that time. I asked Captain
Fritz what had happened and he jsaid Oswald had been shot by one Jack "Rubio" whom
the police knew as a tavern operator. Shortly thereafter a stretcher airived and
I accon^ianied the stretcher t<J the ambulanci which had been hastily backed inio the
garage. I observed that during the transfer that Oswald was unccnsciou^i when the
ambulance drove away from the building, I attempted to board a cruiser that ^ -r<]
apparently was going to follow the atobulancle but I was unable to get into the car J- ' •
before it pulled away. Special Agents Warner and Patterson had heard of the shoot-
ing on their radio, prooaadad to Parkland Hospital where Oswald was being taken and
arrired rsry ahortly mf%ar Onald luidisin^'Vai c% itao oMrganoy antranoa and was
;"'.;- 1. MiU
Kblley Exhibit A — Continued
444
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being takan Into the ffiMrgsnoj treatment rooK. One or the other of the83 agents
vai In close proxlidty to Oswald while he was being treated. When I arrirad at
tha hospital, I rode vp on the elevator with Dr. Shaw who had looked at Oswald
as h3 had cone in and was being recalled to tha operating rooa whera Oswald had
boen taken. While Oswald was in the operating room, no one oth3r than nodical
porsonnal was present but a Dallas policeman who had accompanied Ocwald in the
ajnbulance was standing in the doorway of the op'^rating room in operating room
scrub clothes. Mo other investigating personnel were in the vicinity. In the
iiTjr.ediate vicinity of the detective was Special Ag^nt Wamar. Oswald mads no
8tat3m'?nts from the time he was shot until the time of his death. He was un-
conscious during the ambulance run to tha hospital which I verified through
Detective Daugherty, who accompanied him. He did not regain conscio\ianess at
any time during the treatment until he died. At the tiJiw of his death, myself.
Detective Daugherty and Colonel Oarrison of the Texas State Police were on the \
fifth floor of the hospital arranging a security rooB in which to take Oswald,
in the event he survived the operating room treatment. It was ne. er necessary
to use this room and upon learning of his death, I proceeded to the morgjue to
arrange for his family to view the body. When the family heard of the death
they were in the process of being interviewed by Special Agents Kunkel and Howard,
and requested to be bi^ught to the hospital. Oswald's .brother, Robert, who had
also como to tha hospital, was being inteirviewed by Special Agent Howlstt. Before
the poet mortem was performed, Oswald's family, with the exception of Robert,
viewed the body, Robert arrived too late to view the body befora the autopsy
had started and was not permitted by hospital authorities to view the body. The
family was accompanied during the viewing by the hospital chaplain.
After Baking airangements through the chaplain and another clergyman for tha
burial of the body, tha family was returned to a secluded spot under the protec-
tion of Special Agents Kunkel and Howard, and tha Irving Texas police. Precaution
was taken to insure their safety in view of the exclt3m7nt caused by the killing
of Oswald. Special Agents Howard axid Kxinkel did an excellent Job in handling the
security of this family detail and insurinc their safety. Thereaftar, I was
called by SAIC Bouck who advised ne that tha President and tha Attorney General
were concerned about tha safety of this fasdly and Instructed that all precautions
should be taken to insure that no ham befell thev* SAIC Bouck was advised that
the family was presently under our protection] we would continue providing
protection until further notice.
Later that sane day, I was contacted by SA Robai>tson of the FBI who asked whether
we had someone with the family. He was assured that we had. Ha requested to be
advised where the family had been takan. Since their ultimate destination was
unknown to ne at the time, I assured him that when I learned of their whereabouts
I would relay it to hln. He said that they received instructions fron tha Attorney
Ocneral and President Johnson that precaution should be taken to insure the family
safety.
|At 11 pm, Sunday, Iforember ?Uth, Z «a« advised of the location of the family and
immediately notified Robertson and inquired whether they now wished to take over
their protection. Be said no they bad no svoh inatructicoa, they lurely wished to
be assured that aoaseaa va^loolpli^ owtf JTor; t^beir safety. I asaured thsB that
li c :-lj:i oJ-uAiCt '^' , 177
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Kelley Exhibit A — Continued
445
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adequate proteetion v«a baing prorided an) that thajr }I9T9 available for inter-
TlevB by tha IBI. Ha atatad that tbsy did not viah tc latarrlaw the faidl/
at thia tlMj that %h»j Mraljr muit«i ta aaka aura thajr vara la aaf a haala .
TJX ITS
i<i:n£i";:n 177
Kelley Exhibit A— Continued
446
D-302 (R.». J.3-S9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION \ \
^12-10-63
Dote
EDWARD KELLY, "porter, employed by the Dallas Public
Uorr.s Depprtment, and Etatkredat the Municipal Building and
Police and Courts Building, advised that he was on duty on
November 24, 1963. He stated that at approximately 9:30 or
10:00 he was in the basement with a few other city employees. He
furnished the following information.
KELLY was told by a Dallas Police Officer, whose
name he does not knowy to leave the basement area. He had
observed an unlcnown Sergeant of the Police Department tell
his patrolmen to have KELLY 's group leave the basement. KELLY
does not know how many men left the basement, but estimates there
were four or five who did. They took the elevator and went to 'the
first floor of the Municipal Building. Before leaving the
basement he had observed some police officers searching the . /
basement, ,. i/ ^ ■
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LOUIS McKINZIEaLsoan employee with the Dallas Public':/
Works Department was operating the elevator. When this ,'i"~
group got to fbe^first floor of the Municipal Building, '.^'
KELLY went to a point where he could observe ' the Commerce
Street exit" of the ramp from the basement of the Police
Department. He was there to observe LEE HARVEY OSWALD being
transferred to the County Jail. The first time he knew
OSWALD was shot was when an ambulance left the building
with Oswald's body and someone advised him OSWALD had been
shot.
^ KELLY went to another floor of the Municipal
Building and worked after they took OSWALD away in ths
ambulance and he returned to the basement at approximately
2:30 p,m, on November 24, 1963, He stated he does notkiow
JACK RUBY and did not know LEE HARVEY OSWALD,
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_Ex.No,5133 KELLY, Edw. Deposition_
Dallas 4-1-64
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12-10-63 Dallas, Texas ^ DL 44-1639
at -AJ\ FiU #
JACK B.. PEDENJ - md . , 10-12-63
>y Speciol Agent , ^ Date dictat«d
in>U document contalaa neither reoommandotlons oor oox' '<' 'on* o( the FBI. It Is the property o( the TBI and la loaned to
four a«*nKy| ii ond lie cfl"'*"!* af» net t« be Huljt>»>»'»'' ■■'■■■.■,.: y^^^ a««H«^i
Kelly Exhibit No. 5133
447
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FD^oj (R.v. J-3.SS) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
"::>^:
1/31/64
Doto
V Captain GLEH D. KING .(N A) , Sl9 Goldwocd , Dallas,
taleplione c^4--4L162.vw-xidvi£iad. he-- is'-'Administrative Assistant to
Chief of PolicQ JESSE E. CURRY, Dallas Police Department, and '
^■ras so enployed during the period including November 22 , 1963 ,
and continues in that capacity.
Captain KING said he had, on January 24, 1964, observed >C
the March 1954 issue of Saga magazine , which had been e>iiibited (^
to him by a Dallas newspaper reporter . This magazine • included an f ^
article purportedly \i7ritten by a former FBI Agent -who , as KING ^ • »^ ^
recalled, had been "fired." Ee said his attention had been ^ | "^
specifically called to the quotation in the article attributed - -V^ ;,^
to him to the effect that he had stated the Dallas Police C;.ipartment q "^^
had no record of LEE HARVEY OSVTALD prior to the assassination ' and \j i r i
that there ^-ras no reason why the police should have had a previous ^o ^li
record inasmuch as there had been no indication OSWALD engaged in' c^ "■
any criminal activities , which would have been normally brought to ^"^ _
the attenti,on of the police . 2
. ...-- f^^
Captain KING stated that ho, on November 22, 1963 , ana J^-.^
subsequent. days, was contacted by innumerable representatives cf "
various news media. Ee stated he is quoted substantially correctly • f
inasmuch as he had given this same answer to numerous reporters
who had inquired as to whether the Dallas Police had a previous
record of 0SV3ALD.
A copy of the March 1964 issue of Saga \'7as exhibited
to .KING, along with a photograph of ^CLLIAM W. TXIRNER, purportedly *^
the writer of the article in question. KING stated he is reason- vj^
ably sure he recalls TURNER as one cf the xaany persons V7ho ^
contacted him although he might not have been able to select his
photograph if it had been exhibited among other photographs. Ea
said th ! name VJILLIAI-I W. TURNER \'ras not recalled ■specifically.
Ee said, however, he recalls that an individual was in his office
on an unrecalled date representing he vras a magazine writer.
"~ Glen D. King Exhibit #1
or. 1/25/54 Dallas, Texas -''-35 p.j^ ^^ PL 1C0-104S1
I'l^LNNING-C. CLEMENTS and
by S^oclcl Aoor.t § ALBERT SAYERS - LAC " ^^.^ ^j.^^.^j ^/^^/^^
T>.la docucoat oon;c:»» r.&Uhor rocoai&ttndotlona nor coacluctono of tho FBI* It la tho property oi tb* FBI and la Xoon«
y&iU' cgoac/; U cod lU coaioata oro &ot to ^9 CLatrlbuto^ ouUi^e your ogoncy.
King Exhibit No. 1
448
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F^-:o2(R,». 3.3-48) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
^. .. 7" ^- ^^ Ooval.. LOO H. - Murdor 1.7 Foxby- Ps
■ ' <^5.r>t:nin CLEN _D. KING '/ Adaiais trativG Assistant to
Chief JESSL ii.~'oui\:v/~or "che. iv-.llas Police Department, was • ■
interviev;ed and xvas iiiitiediately advised of the official /\--
identity of Special Agent LEO L. ROBERTSON. He V7as advised vVy
th^>t he did not have to make a statcinent , tho.t any statcrient ^ ^, i
. he did make could be used against him in a court of lav; and ""^ ":
that he had the right to consult an attorney prior to ma-king ^ ;{
,. any statement. Ee then furnished the follox^ng information: < .,'/ .i
1 ,n..
On December 9, 1963, Ca.ptain KING advised that
he was the press relations officer for the police department
and that he had not given a press card to JACK RUBY. Ee
stated he was also sure that no one else in the police ';■
department had given RUBY a press card and that he would have •)C V
kncv;a: about it since he was the person assigned as press ^ \
•relations officer. , >
■ w \
On December 10, 1963, Captain KING,, advised that he h£d~^' \
no assignment in regard to moving LEE E\RVEY OSWALD from the ,~^V
City to the County Jail but stated that since' he was the press "! ,,'^
relations officer he went down to the basement at apprc:<imately ^^
10:45 a.m. and was there until after the shooting. At the /
;.time he V7ent into the corridor x-7here the shooting occurred, ;^' ^"*
he glanced over and saw the various media/of the press and "^i
recognized two men from the Dallas TlTrss A' eral d , ^ACK BEERS j i^r^
a .photographer, and also pEOI<GE Pr^'£i\:ix\ /He stated there v;ere .
possibly others in the. group he fcxev/, although he could not
recall the names of arsy others who xvere there at that time
as he was core concfiirned v/ith the set-up in the basement
and was not actually thinking about v;ho V7as dovm there.
Ee stated he has knovTn JACK RUBY since about 1955
or 1956 as he worked in the Vice Squad at thiat time and they
.came in contact x^ith most individuals \'fno operated the type
of places that RL^Y had. Ke could not recall having seen
RL3Y- since about 1956 and stated -he doubted whether or not he
v7ould bjive recognized RUBY b^d he seen him. Ee stated at the
time- he arrived ia the basement he would estimate there xjcre
Glen D. King Exhibit #£
v^
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or. _i2./9^.10/c3-cJ DalLg^- T!-'^p-^ Filo // PL ^^-16^,Q
by S,o=ioI Aconr LEO L. R03ERTS0N/csh ^^^^ ^.^^^^^^ ^2/10/63
Thla docur:;cDt contalno nolthor rocomcacodatlona nor concluulor.s of tho FBI. It i« tho prop«rty o( th« FBI and La 2o<3&«<i tc
y&ur cgcr.cy; U c^^d U& ocato&te g;o s.ot to bo dIatrlbuteU outaMo your OQcnc/.
King Exhibit No. 2
449
DL. 44-1539
oossibly 30 or ^G rr.err.bars of the press there at that time
z'^Z ha V7as not s-^re about thi-s os "ae v/as not thinkin2 about
th-tj as r.entionec previously. He advised he V7as not in on
the conferenec that the aci:iiniGcrative staff had concerning
i^eeurlty '.?.easurca Gnd did aoii knov/ ul. j £i.euu<al e>lans , aluhcu^-h
he v:as avare that the press and police officers V7ere the only
authorised people vzho v/ere supposed to be in the area^ Ke did not
hnov of any unaUw'"orized person .there and V7as not in a position
to observe any of the ceir.bers of the nev/s ciedia coming in
at the ti— a he arrived there.
Ke advised he. had never knov/n any police officers
vho had vorked for RUBY and it v.vis against the deoartnr.ent 's
regulations for any Dallas policeman to work for any night
olubs or any other type of establishments where they sold
a.cl.h-''.ic beverages. Ke advised that shortly before the
shootir'g, "they were attempting to move u^70 police cars
onto the ramp and that he had .3013 out to the end of the
corridor and* turned to his right, vi^ich v;as south or on^^
Comr.erce Street and V7as attempting to get some of the police
officers and nc //smen mov&^lback so that the police cars would
have room to back up to the corridor V7here they V7ere going
to bring OSWALD out. Ee stated he v;-:}s approximately half
way between the tv70 cars but V7as up oa the west side of the
ramp when he heard the shot, r'.e looked around and sav; tr^.t several
officers r-ad a man dovTn, whom he later determined V7as JACK
?JJ2Y. rie immediately ordered police officers to block all
entrances and not let anyone in or out. Ke stated he then
\:a-z over to where RISY v;as lying and accompanied RUBY,
Detective KARRIS and f.-70 or three other officers, v/nose
nar.es he could not recall, to the elevator where they took
•JACK Ru2Y to the, 5th floor. He stated when they arrxved
on z':.3. 5th floor he ordered these men to strip RUBY dovjn and
search him thoroughly. He stated he h^d not hear of any^^infor-
mation concerning any relationship between OS^.-IALD and RuiY.
King Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
450
1
DL 44-loS9
":u:. J, B. Curry
Cr.ief of Police
"Sir:
"Dscember 2, 1963
"Subject: Kurder of Lee Harvey Oswald
"The following information is submitted relevant to ny
activities in the basement of the Police and Courts Building
immediately prior to, at the time of, and immediately following"
the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby, Alias Jack •
Leon Rubens te in. . ,
"At :Lppro>:inately 10:45 a.n:; on November 24, I X'7ent to the
basement of the Police and Courts Euilcing. because of the
number of nev7smen who were assembled at that location. The
r.ewsm.en 'v;ere there because of the impending transfer of ' v.'
Oswald from the City to the County Jail.
"vrnen I v;ent into the parking' area and drivevray, a large
number of nev7sm-en were already there. I spoke briefly with
Jack Beers, photographer for the Dallas Homing Nevjs who
V7as, at that time, standing on the rail on the eastern side of
the /driveway, I stayed in the basement tallcing with news-
men -and preventing them from going up the south raaip toward
the location x^;here the armored car xcas parked.
"I talked briefly with Captain O.A. Jones, Captain C.3,
Talbert; and Captain f'.mett of the Police Reser\'es.
"K'.en the vehicle, driver, by Lieutenant R. S, Pierce, was
! driven from the basement to 1-Iair. Street, I V7as on the west '
cide of the driveway near V7here the ramp to Commerce
Street starts up, I'v7as at this locatior. v:heii the vei>icle.
c « sr
— Glen D. King Exhibit #3 _ •
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King Exhibit No. 3
451
'•driver, by Detective C, N« Laority, v;as backed tov?ard
l>;«ir. Street cr.d I was xcatchin^ this vehicle when I
heard the shot. I yelled for the ofiicerc 6n the Corfji;crco
Street side to keep people froin co:iiir.g ir* or leaving and
then went over to where Ruby was being held. The persons
I rCi^er^ber seeing V7ith Ruby V7ere Officer U^„J^..Kai:risQn_ of .
the Juvenile Bureau and Detective. ,D. R. Archer of the Auto
Theft Bureau. I went x-;ith these officers inside the Jail Office
with Ruby and then up the elevator to the 5th Floor where I
left then and returned to the basement* 'When I returned to the
basement J Oswald had already been picked up by the arabulance,
'f then' returned to s::y office and talked V7ith nev;s:i:en V7ho
ccntinued to cczne into the Adziirlstrative Office inquiring
ctcu'j the;' i-.':Gieori';; ur.ich had occurred in 'i:hz basement*
"Respectfully subraittedj
jz! Glen d; ICing
Cn^tcin of -police
Glen D. IGng Exiiibit #3
King Exhibit No. 3 — Oontinued
452
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can discuss that pressure and the^-ole-ofJije.JJ^lice, and the relations
fc.:.-x;'^ thv r^''U-«- aad tbi- |>rvw rfyrtiv:£ thai jwriod. Ijctlcr than anyoa*
C-:v::n:;triUvc assiatr-nt to Chief Curry. Crttcr ihr-n t!-.:;l. from cca-
ctcndpoint, he is a former newspaperman. He was a police reporter en
tlie D.-.Uas Morning News, when he joined the police liepartment in
lC-13. He served in every division oi the department until he has ri;on
to his present spot.
Ke has studied journalism in college, at the University of Texas and
Southern Jlethodist University. He has attended a number of police '
institutes; he has lectured at some. He writes in the field of police sci-
ence; he is the author of two books and numerous magar.ine articles.
We &re esp-ecially grateful to him for coming here this morning to tell /vj- jI
us how the ixilice saw this story. ^ — "^ ^'''jf ^
CAIT.A.IN Glzn King, Police Dep artment, . ( D.illas, Tcxasj J *"
Ci'thinl; one oi my primary problems here this morning is going to
be one of selection. Because in a few brief moments, I'm going to have
to try to condense days of prejiaratioii for the visit of the President to
Dallas and weeks of investigation that followed his assassination there
into some logical order. ' •
I'm going to have to omit eiitirels rniLiiy points that I might touch
upon. If I fail to address some jwiut tii:il you ;iro particularly interested
in, I apologize to you in advance, 'iiiue won't permit me to touch all
of it.
I also should explain to you at the outset that I am appearing here
under certain limitations. Investigiitions into the assassination and the
events which followed it are continuing. It has been indicated to the
police department in Dallas the Warren Commission prefers that we
not comment on certain areas of this investigation and on certain aspects
of the evidence we have.
It might seem inconsistent to you, because I might talk about one
part of a question then not go further on it. There might not be any
logical or explainable reason for it. It's going to have to be on my
appraisal of it. So, again on this, I'll apologize.
The police department involvement can be broken down into som.e
rather clearly definable categories.
The first one I would li!:e to touch on v/as the preparation for the
visit of the President to Dallas. At that time we occupied purely a
supportive role. The Air Force was primarily responsible for getting
the President and his party to Dallas. The Secrot Service was primarily
responsible fof his safety while he was in Dallas.
We occupied, as I say, a supportive role. We performed a supportive
function here. To do this we met with the Secret Service and with other
oinciui r.^encies and civic organizations in Dallas at least daily and on
most days many times beginning on Noveu.hcr IS.
On that day we received the first ofTicial notice that the Prcsident_ ,
r/ould visit Dallas. We had known v. it prior to this tims'Tjuircourse -^
We had read it in the newspapers that he was going to take a trip, and
that Dallas was going to be one of the stops on the trip. But it was
only on the 13lli that we received official notification that he would
be in Didlas. This came through the Secret Service.
From that time, as I say, until the iiml when he arrived, there
•were at least daily conferences. Most days — and on those days almost
the whole day for .some members of the department — were devoted
to the conferences prep.- .ring for the President's visit.
The plans for security that were eventually worked out called for
our assignment of manpower at three specific locations. The first one
was at Dallas' Love Field, where the President's plane was to land. We
assigned a dei)uty chief and 5-i men to that location to contain the crowd
and to perform those functions that had to he performed so that the
President's party could leave Love Field on time to make his sjx-ech.
The second place was the route the motorcade would take. Prior to ' .'
the visit, our deputy chief of trafiic traveled the route several times in'"^
the company of Secret Service men and decided with them the loci-' '
lions where officers would be assigned. ,
Uril^
Glen D. KincT R>rh-!hit. Jldi
King Exhibit No. 4
453
KiNE. . (ASNE) . .23173. .ch
We put men at all signalized intersections. We put two to four men
at all locations where turns would be made — because it was believed
that there would be a bigger concentration of the viewing public there —
at all overpasses, railroad trestles, bridges. Every place the President's
motorcade would travel under, we assigned additional men to.
On our own, we assigned detectives in the middle of the blocks
where we thought the greatest number of viewers would be. Jn all, we
had 178 men assigned to the parade route.
The third location was the Trade Mart, the building at which the
President was to make his speech. We assigned 63 men to work ouUide
there, working the parking area, making sure everything was in order
there.
Inside we had the deputy chief and 150 men. Our association with
the press during this part of it was rather limited. As I said, the Secret
Service was the primary agency of jurisdiction. We were aiding them as
best we could. Most of the contact with the press during this part of it _
was either with the Secret Service or the public relations organization^ t^/*«Vu|..
Mr. McKnight mentioned to you. ^
With the assassination and the few seconds that it took, our posi-
tion changed from one of support to the agency with primary investi-
gative jurisdiction. When the President was shot, it became our re-
sponsibility to investigate in an attempt to determine who had com-
<?K^~TiuLU!(J the violation and cilect •A* arrest.
We were fortunate that we were able to talk to a person at the lo-
cation of the events who gave us a description of a person, ap employe
who, he said, had been in the building prior to the assassi n ation but
was not there following it.
We broadcast this description on our police radio within a very few
minutes after the assassination. The description was of a slender white
male, about 30 years of age,, about five feet ten, weighing about 105
pounds. At the time he was seen, he was carrying something that looked
like either a 30-30 rifle or some type of a Winchester.
The next time we heard of this person or had any contact was at
1:18 pjn. A citizen came on the police radio and reported to our radio
dispatcher that a member of our deptartment had been shot in the 400
1/ * block of East 10th, which is an estimated two miles from the location
where the President was assassinated.
A later investigation revealed that one of our o£Bceis, J. D. Tippit,
had been shot at that location and was dead on arrival at Parkland
Hospital. Because Tippit is dead and because Oswald the man who, we
eventually learned, shot him is also dead, we can only speculate on what
happened. But this seems logical to us and this is what we believe did
occur.
W'e know that Tippit was driving his squad car east on 10th Street;
that he pulled alongside Oswald, who was walking west on 10th on the ^
«outh side of the street; that he spoke to him briefly across the front ^
seat of the automobile. Then he got out of the car and started to walk
around the front of it. When he reached the front of the car, Oswald
opened fire and Tippit was shot three times. He was hit twice in the
head and once in the chest. We believe that any of the wounds would
have probably been fatal.
Oswald fled the scene on foot. A short time later the department .
received information that he had entered a theater, the Texas Theater,
approximately seven blocks away from the scene where the officer was
shot. Our policemen converged on the theater. He was placed under
arrest and brought to City Hall approximately an hour and ten minutes
after the assassination of the President.
When you stand at the point of solution of an offense and you look
back toward its commission, you see a very clearly defined pattern. It
is easy to see each step of it. It is a little bit different when you stand
at the point of the offense and attempt to look towards th e solution. ^j^/ fj^ .fftT
We were extremely fortunate to be able to effect the aw c e tf ^n such a
short amount of time.
By the time Oswald arrived at the police station, there was already
a horde of newspapermen in the hallway. Within a very few minutes ■ -
of the shooting of the President, they started coming into the police
station — newtpapar nynt^rr* lelrvi>iiM< m<m silh trl^viniiin M)ui|>inpnt
cameras, cable*.
We have been xsriticized. and Derhan* with iiiittifi<<atinn fr>» •iu«».i«.».
the newsmen to remain in the hallways, for allowing newsmen to view
the investigation and to keep in constant touch with the progress of
the investigation. We felt that we had to do so, and for a variety of reasons.
ezL
Glen D. King Exhibit #U
King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
454
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iiii.l yi-iirv :iii<l •..ills I., icii.l.r uli.il.vcr a^^i-lanc.' «a> i...-il.l»- I., llf
pr.'--^ Ml III.- . s. i.i-. ..f lli'ir iliili.'N. \\\' Ml dial ilu- iiiannllii.l.- ..f tlii>
crimi. Ilu' v, ii..ii-iii-- of llir dtrni^c. inailc tlii> imoic iiv»>— ai\ lall.r
tliaii |. »vi-iui! ill.- in r. s'ity for it. —
_ A .■.(■(•(_>lli l i-i':i-.vii A m- rt-aliynl tlial llii- |irol>al.l> wa- one of I lie nm-l /
irnporlaiil cvniK in n-rtiit lii..tiin or in anv lii-l.ii\. acliiaily. We iral-
izid tin- intiroNl ii..l only llic Allien. an pi-oplc »..mI.1 liavc in llii- l>ut
Ihf world as will. \Vf ivali/i-d lliat if «<• arrc^lcd a >.iis|Kct. thai if wo
br.)iiplit him into tin' police >lalion an. I tlwn coiidii.trd all of our ilivrs-
tigalions iH-hinil cIommI door>. that if «»■ save no rt-porU on thr i)roj!iTS»
of our invest iya I ion and did not p.iinil the iicwmikii to see llu- -iis-
pcct — if we cxi-liidcd them from it — "i' would Iravc onr>rlv(-> open not
only to critiri^ms that we wen- faluiiatinp a >ii.-pc<l an. I wriv alUinpt-
ing to pill xuiii'lliinj: on sonifonc. 'iiit oven more iinporlaiith . wi' would
cause people to lo>e faith in our fairness aiwl. lliroti};li losiiifi faith in our
fairnes-.. lo lo-c faith to a eertain extenl in tin- proee-><--. of law.
We fill il wa- mani'alory that a> many people knew alioiil it as
po.ssihlc. We knew, too. that if we did exclude I he newMiien. we woul.l
be Icaviii); ourselves open to a eharfie that we were usin^ improper ac- ^
tion. dure>». jihysical abuse, all of these thin;;-. 3
.'\s a. matter of fact, a short lime after the newsmen came into the
police station, one of Ihem did hol.l up a pieliire of Oswald an.l sai.l,
"This is wh.it the person who is ■.ii-piited of a»-a»inalinj: the I'le-ident
looks like. .M least this is what he did look like. 1 don't l<ni'w wlial he
looks like now after an hour in the eii-lody of the police ileparliiieiil. "
This was just a murmur, liul I am convinced that if we had excluded
the newsmen, this would not have been merely a murmur. It woul.l have
been a deafeninp roar. We felt that the newsmen had to be there.
Now. blessed also with hindsight, I am sure we would m;ike some
changes in what we did. There is no question that the iifw>men there
interfered with the investigation, ^'ou saw the scenes in our hallway.
To bring a prisoner from our jail to our liomi. ide office, the liuicaii
that was handling this, you have to bring him for a short distance down
a hallway. This is the way the building is arranged.
It is not the most desiral)le arrangement in I he world, but il is the
one we have to work with. With n(w>iiuii in ilie halbva.v. with the
noise that was constant outside the honiici.le Imreau. certainl,v thiv had
some efTcct on the investigative |)ro(eilure,-. Il was to a eertain exleiit
disaflvantageous.
This is not an attempt on my part lo evade any res])onsibilit.v here
in this field. The newsmen admittedly were tlieCc because we pirmilled
them to be there. Had we so chosen, we could have excluded I hem. So
this is not on my jjart a condemnation of the newsmen for exercising
a privilege that we had given. Still their presence there was a himlering
factor to us.
The next and last point that I think I will have time to talk alioul
was the transfer and the resulting deatii of Oswald. There lins been quite
a lot of comment about our announcement of the time of transfer. This
perhaps is an academic point, but 1 think it is one that should be made.
It has been said that we told the newsm. n that the transfer would
be made at ten o'clock on Sunday morning. This is not exactly the case.
On Saturday night, some of the newsmen c;'.mc into our adiiiinistralive
offices and pointed out to us that they had lieeii there for some hours.
They told us they were hungry, that thi.-y were tired and that they
would like to get something to eat but Ihal they had come to Dallas ' ' (,^
from considerable distances anil couldn't alford to lie away from the sta- •<'.'/•
tion when something of importance happened. They asked if we were ") ' ,*
going to transfer Oswald that night. " / ^
\
King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
455
TEN. f.\SN'E> ^••117:1 .ch ...
We xM-rr not ill ihiil lime fur i-noiigli iilnnu «ilh the iiiv. .-.lipilKm.
\V. Iiailnl <-.>in|>lrlr.l lli< |>iiii of it lli.-it \m ihtiI,-.! |.. •{„ will, liim u.
oirr fii>toily. \Yc ti>l.l thi-m I.. In- Imrk Ijy !• ii ..Vl.xk lli<- lu-.vl ULiniiuj:.
Siimlii.v, Unit ll^i.^ wuiiUl l><- niily cn<iuj;li.
Till- hnllwiiys out-iiU- w.-pt- >lill full of iuwmikh. Wi- told llit in tin
sjuiK- thing. Now llii>. on our imrt. iliil inilicjiti' cvrluinly lh;it w^ tl:-;!!'!
inlcii'l to lijuisfor him prior to tvn o'eloik. aiul we ili<l not. I: .iI-m
indii'iilcil our inli-ntiou lo allow Ihc »cw>nicn lo l)r jircM-nl ivsrinllc-.-.
of Ihi- lime iho Iran-sfcr was ina<lc. This wt- tliil.
VVc liavi- ln'iMi i-ritii-iy.c(l, anil aj»uin porhaiis jiislirialily, for not Iran-^-
fcriing <)>walil under cover of d»rkne.s.s. It lia» Imn'ii .said to us lliat lline
o'clock in the niorninj; when the streets w.rr vacant and di>i-ilcd
wouKI have been the proper time. Well, tliore arc a couplrof fallacies
in this. The .sircel.s were not vacant and deserted at Ihivc o'clock in the
morning, and the hallways were not vacant and deserted at three oelock
in the morning. The .scenes that you just sjiw on sliilcs might well have
been made at three o'clock in the morning. I don't know what lime they
were made, but they could have been made almost at any lime of ihc
day.
There \va.s not any time at which the newsmen said. "'VYcll. Ufs
close ilown for the day and reassemble here at seven o'clock in the morn-
ing." They were there around the clock. People were in the siircts
around the clock, so regardless of the lime we selected, we were going
to have to make a Iran.sfer with people present.
The hours of ilarkness we felt were bad. Wc needed as great ii
degree of visibility as po.ssible to provide as great a degree of prolection
as possible. We needed daylight. Wc fell that da>light worked best
for us. We were not la.\ in our efforts to provide sp«-urity unil we didn't
approach this with the lackadaisical .iltitudc we have l>een charged with
Obviously our efforts were ina<lequate, because Oswald wa> killed in
our allempt to transfer him. But we did take precautions prior lo the
transfer, prior to the murder — precautions we thought woghl be en-
tirely adequate.
The newsmen began to as.semble in the parking area very early in
the morning. Wc went into the parking area and requested them to
leave. Then memliers of the department went over the entire parking
area. We looked every place where a person could conci'ivably hide.
We checked every vehicle in the parking stations. We even opened the
trunks of these cars and looked inside lo nuike sure that no one was
hiding there.
We stationed men on all doorways leading into the basement, all
ramps leading into the basement, all stairways, all elevators, ramps —
everything loading into the basement. Then wc brought the new.smcn
back in, checking their credentials — if they were not recognii!e<l — us
they came in.
I am not now at liberty to say how Ruby came into the basement
and was able to kill the prisoner we had. I am able lo siiy that it was
a tempwrary breakdown in security at one s|)ecific location. An officer,
who was assigned in a place, because of circumstances that occuiTed at
his place of assignment, failed to see Ruby when he entered, and Ruby
was able to commit the murder.
Again, there is no question in my mind that the presence of the
newsmen in the basement made it possible for Ruby to enter the base- ^
ment and remain there for the length of time that it took to bring the
prisoner out of the jail office and made it possible for him to kill the
prisoner. ,
If there had been nothing but police ofncers there — we. knew each ' ,
other, but we didn't know most of the newsmen who were there — I ^ jV"^
am sure we- would ha ye recognized an alien person and wotdd have been • J_/^ ^
able to take the appropriate action to prevent the occurrence that did r\ ^ V ''>^_
happen. J J^ \
Again this is not a condemnation of the press for being there and it LVi
is not an attempt on our part to evade the rcsiwnsibility that wc had "-^
either. Newsmen were there becau.sc we permitted them to be there.
My next remark I hesitate to make. I feel like I .ini -ur. ('•i-tir ,
mii-t l.iiv.^ felt when he mihi "Don't '.•>..• «ji~ij:ii«>r>si;-u>< ' .£«M — . ^i'-#iVw<^ —
' ' I » « i».i'<- lh ii m i l i ii t — vr»t— «(re— iM e r e .l i 'il in. — H , . .r i.
I haven't covered everything that you are interested in. If you have
.-VI .---->-.' V -- I " ;.v.-,-r^
Glen D. King Exhibit jih —
King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
456
question^ lalT in llir- proiT.-. n.l If 1 am .il.l. l.> :ui-v.. 1I..1,, I mIM
be Kla.l Iti .1.. ... If 1 liavr t,. ryfi lu^.fn.iii an>».riiii: iIi.m, I . - .1. '' , V,.vC
also.
I promise vow thnl I Nvon'l refrain from answirinp cm .if xi.nr f|M< «•
tions liocHiisc 1 think it is loo hoi to handle. I won't l)ceaiisr 1 think
il reflects unfavorably on my (ieiiartmcnt or upon myself and if 1 do
bccau.sc of tliis reason, I'll tell you about it.
-/ -H ' I Mr. Ulack: As'T said when we introdurcd this panel, we have here
^^^^ this morning only people who are basically friendly toward the press
vjut^' but who are still concerned about some aspects of the performance at
L^. Dallas.
Our next speaker, Mr. Iloma Hill, is chairman of the Public Rela-
tions Committee of the State Bar of Texas and has been in that post for
a number of .years. .\s a result, we owe him quite a debt for the fact
that Texas is one of the states where Canon 35 has not-- been in efTecl.
As you know, it is the practice in Texas for judges to have the au-
thority to permit cameras in their court. Mr. Hill has supported the
press in this position down through the years and in many other of the
fights down there. lie has consistently been a defender of the press.
Mr. Hill is a gradmitc of Baylor University. He b«is been a director
and vice president of, the State Bar of Texas. In addition to his chairr.
manship of the I'ublic Relations Committee, he has al.so served as a
member of the special committee that determined this policy of the
bar on Canon 35.
In 19C0, he received from the Texas Sigma Delta Chi nn award for
service in journalism in Texas for outstanding contributions to freedom
of information.
So he comes to us with good credentials as our friend. ^
Early this year, Mr. Hill, in a letter to President Herb BruckefTKoidT ^
"The news media was very guilty of putting public officials under pres-
sure and detailing evidence in such a manner that it would almost have
been impossible to have ever given Lee Oswald a fair trial within the
United States."
He is concerned about the ramifications of this in Texas. He sees ua
in danger of losing some ground that has been gained down there. We ■
are very glad to have Mr. Hill with us to detail the progress itself.
Mr. Homa Hill: I am glad that I. was introduced as a friend of
the press in the past. When I get through here today, though, there
may be those who wonder.
I hope I come out as well as Mf. Brucker did a few years ago
when he came to Texas as chairman of your Freedom of Information
Qommittee and made a speech. The first half of his speech was devoted
to freedom of the press, the second half was to a defense of the Supreme
Court of the United States at our annual convention of the State Bar.
Many of the people were represented in their thinking by a man next
to me who, at the conclusion of Mr. Brucker's remarks, said, "I don't
agree with a damn thing he has said, but I accord him the right to say
them."
We look forward in July at our State Bar convention to hearing Mr.
Ralph McGill. I think it is well that we hear each other at times.
I am glad to come here today to associate with men who exercise
such responsibility in molding public opinion in the United States. I
have had the good pleasure of working with news media through many
years. I had a good beginning back in college when I had the job of
being chauffeur, butler, and valet to distinguished guests who visited
the Baylor campus. For some six hours one day I had the pleasure of • -V
being with William Allen White, George B. Dealey and Dean Walter ^, 1 'v
Williams of the School of Journalism at the University of Mis.souri. So
I have always thought of you and the men who comprise the editorial
profession as being men of that caliber.
King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
I.. \
457
romtnent on that point?
P-.i;aiii«NT B«« -KIM I Ihiiik. i<^. thflt woiil.l he a lUHltrr for U.-inl
»ct«.i. I Ihmk curb ..( u' ■«•> unlivi.UiuU lumht hiix<- opinion. iiU.ui il
I know that Uun* Vn^Rini. a former Fol Chairman >uui f..r irr
ASNE President, is deeply suspicious that anything of this kind would
lead to the things that make us insist on the fullest publicity for every-
thing. I myself think there is never any harm in study and would like
to see ASNE go along with it just so long as we are not bound by the
outcome.
But I think this is a pretty serious matter of state that you have
raised and we had better not leave il to a momentary opinion but bet-
ter have the board study it.
Mr. Black: I might say this is one area in which we very much
look forward to the counsel and advice of Mr. Rogers.
Do we have other questions for members of our panel?
Mr. David E. Gillespik, Charlotte Observer: Mr. Chairman, any
of the members of the panel might want to comment on this q.'cstion.
since I am sure all of them are familiar with the problem that Eric
Sevareid wrote about in his analysis of what happened to the break-
down of justice and order in Dallas.
His theory was that Dallas, although it is metropolitan in area, has
not developed a metropolitan scn.-.t' of the dispensation of justice in the
, J -iTj^gJL contact of its officials with the press and with the public.
^ fji^f*^^^^ We may have seen sonu- of this perhaps in interviews with the judge
^ui'tnni — Belli we can discount of course — but is there not something
Jo (ic snid in this case for the haiulling of the press and the public by
th'^ individuals involved — the police chief, district attorney, the judge
j;! i so on? Is thire anythis'.j; to be said on this side?
"Ir. M( Knight: I made myself a promise and I will attempt to keep
it. I ilid read this piece, and I don't remember all of it now, of course.
But I would like to confine any remarks 1 have to the press aspect of
ti.ii-' sti>ry and not to the problems of my study.
1 come here, I suppose, wit'i a certain amount of sin and guilt, as
any other i>erson docs in the room. We are not pure. A<lmittedly we
i'!:!i!i- many mistakes, but 1 would prefer not to debate them unless you
have si)ecific points in any areas.
Mk. Bl.\< k: I'erhaps Captain King could comment on that as far
as the police are concerned.
('.viT.MN King: I think it probably would be improper for me to
t<.iiiiiii-nt on il even before the other members of the panel. As a mem-
ber of uu oilicial organization of the city of Dallas, the comments that
he made were to a large extent, or did to a large extent, concern my
(lepail iiienl. 1 -am likely to be biased in my viewpoint.
Mh. Bi-ACK: Mr. Ilill, would you care to comment on il?
i slio Id say, which 1 didn't in my introduction, that Mr. Hill is not
from Dallas but from Fort Worth. You must take this into account
oil aiiylliing he says about Dallas.-
Mr. Hill: As an active member and committeeman of the Fort
Worth Chand)er of Commerce, one week after the CAB Examiner held
against us on the regional airpjorl, I might be a little prejudiced in my
.einarks. But I am inlercsled in what the j;entlemaii was saying about
the city of Dallas not being c()sino|)olitan. Uvor in Fort Worth, where
we wear shirt sleeves to the Fort Worth Ciub, we consider Dallas as
sort of an Eastern city. The lawyers when lliey have parties over there,
lliey wear tuxes; we don't.
I had some remarks which I was going to make about the city of
Dallas and deleted them. But Fll say this, as a citizen of Fori Worth
and living nearby, we furnished Le-e Oswald to Dallas. We got him
secondhand though from New York — but it could have happened any-
where, as the man from San Francisco said. J will say this, I do not
know of any city in America which is more intelligenl, more .cidtured
and with finer solid citizenry than the city of Dallas.
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King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
458
FOUKTEEX.
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I would like to address
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li_;44U4;.-:. r-fi-t jUfc ii ti o ft T-
Mk. \Viixi.\m Hill. Washington Star:
question to Captain Kinj;.
Vou klunv »lu-u :. viT.-.k.T Kr,|,
tlu- i-Jcr of (lu- llunK^ I"- •■■"'I -.'.V. '".V cur...-..l.v wniils lo .s.-.' I...W close
I v;in tJvt to «lure lie .stop.s talking. Captain King, 1 don't know wliclher
\,ni read a ni.igazine called "Connnentary." But there are constantly
.irli.'.es and rumors coming out that we don't really know the story of
November i-i. "Commentary" has carried the most detailed account. I
am going to ask you a question. If the answer is "yes," that is all I want
to know.
Is there anything, that gives you reason to have doubt about these
events of November 22?
Captain King: You didn't reach that point with this one fell
swoop, but I will take a stab at it.
There have been so many things reported, in the press that if I say
"yes, the things that have been reported in the press are true," then I
am saying all sorts of things that contradict each other are i)robably
true or that we believe them to be true.
The things that have been generally published, the things that have
been given the widest distribution, the things that are generally, I think,
throughout the United States held to be true are, I believe, tfue. I don't
really expect anything of a startling nature to come forward.
Mr. William Hill: Well, for instance in this particular article to
which I have reference, it was implied that it is not known for sure that
Oswald did kill Tippit.
Captain King: The way you can become legally sure of anything
is to have a trial. There was not a trial here and, very obviously and
very unfortunately, there can't be one. So there will forever be this
absence of legal determination. In my opinion, the only absence of
determination is a legal one.
Mr. Willi.^m Hill: Well, for instance, at the time that the descrip-
tions were picked up, whoever it was that did kill Tippit — I am being
the devil's spokesman now — the article indicated a description of the
man who did kill Tippit tlid not match Osw;dd's.
Captain King: It didn't match in all details but it matched up verj'
closely. The height might be a little bit oil. But a doscri]>tion is not an
exact thing and, in my opinion, based on my experience as a police
ofRcer, this was not a description that was at all out of line. We get
eye-witness descriptions in all kinds of offenses that arc inaccurate in
certain details. The description that I heard broadcast was not far from
the truth.
Mr. McKnight: May I rescue the Cai)tain on one point, knowing
the restrictions around. There are two points I think, should be made.
First of all, all of you will recall that Oswald went home and changed
,clothing after the assassination of the President and before the murder
of Officer Tippit.
Number two, probably Captain King couldn't say this, but I think
there are witnesses to the Tippit shooting. I don't know whether "Com-
mentary" mentioned this.
^Tn Ri . - c '- .;-?^!..r.,:>-yoq7-&3rb-L.-.K?v:-3-!;s 3 a ViUeslit TTT?
a.fS^i^.^C'Ou
Mr. RoBi;RT W. Lucas, Hartford Times: Captain, you said you were
not at liberty to say how Jluby got into the basement. Later you said
that the pressure of the newsmen made it^iOwUiieMor hnii to get mto
the basement. Then you also said that something happened at one of
the locations where you apparently had guards. Can you tell us any-
thing more about that?
Captain Kino: I don't recall having said the pressure of the news-
men made it possible for him to get into the location. I said sor.Kthing
had occurred that distracted the attention of one of the officers on his
tasi^ned position and made it possible.
I ron't octu-iUy go anv further on it. I am Hfraid. than I alrrad>-,
- taj_'_i3-. If I ^r)-v«-> rr- f -|-,.-..-r-.-A, ,1 "t )..-.,„ p r.-^.i. ..,— I t. -.4 _J. . . ■ .
newimcli, Uiis-is nicorrtcl.^ uuiiv-l— ,ani-lliat-lie-ivxi»-,uuu-Ui--u_uiuiii ^
.have gone. If I did say, or if I gave you the impression that he came
into the basement or he was able to enter the basement because of the
newsmen, this is incorrect. I think I said that he wa^s able to remain
■^
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King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
459
/there long enough to do what he did because he was able to mix with
/ newsmen iaiDOwe didn't recognize. Certainly if the newsmen had not beer.
.' there,. iC.the basement had been occupied only by police officers with
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itr»>invn-we_«li<lii4— rf<.<'>;iiizf .A «-no...... " ' ' -v . ,'... • , '., , ' . .. ,;• ■ /• •
V^thf rf . if the basement had bt-oii Dccupuil-oiily by poUc-f (>|■llc■cl.^'^^■.V./'-^;••^'i^'-V^..'<,^•.;v.^;, .•;,
whom we were personally acquainted, then Ruby couldn't have stayed
jl^r-'O'*^^' — tHereTorTg a;Vr>:^g-lTtr But I didn't mean to imply that he came in through
the efforts of the newsmen.
As a matter of fact, I can say this additional thing. There has been
speculation that he came in through collusion with a i.ulice ofTucr. There
has been speculation that he came in through collusion with newsmen y^
or a newsman. The facts as we believe them to e.\ist indicate that this ,'^
is not true, that there was not collusion with either a police officer or ,' /
with a newsman.
Mr. Hemiy Schulte, Savannah News-Press: We have spent the
morning chastizing ourselves because of a potential miscarriage of jus-
tice, but I think what we are all overlooking is the fart that this was
the story of the century and that people like us, editors all over the
country and the world, wanted everything they could got out of Dallas.
I for one wanted everything.
Now in view of this, and with this in mind, I'd like to ask Mr. Mc-
Knight, as a newspaperman who was on the scene, if you had this to do
over again, how might you have done it differently antl still perform
your mission as a newspaperman?
Mr. McKmcht: It is a good question, and I agree with what you
say. I would not change a thing. I didn't have time to change anything.
I had four hours and a half that afternoon to get out three editions.
We are not challenging what was written, and that is the reason I
prefer to stay out of that area. I am only challenging the manner of
coverage. That is our problem more than what was written.
Yes, I think you were entitled to every shred of information out of
Dallas, and we certainly attenii)ted to give it to you from the local
sources. I only raised the question for the future — what do we do with
this problem of "the regiments," as I believe Herb Brucker termed it?
It is a problem of coverage, not what is written. I would not challenge
one line of copy that went out of Dallas or I wouldn't change it if we
had to do it over again.
^|n TKi Af-T.-- A lief -rou-ctinii frnyn Al Fripnilly^
Mr. Alkked Frik.ndly, Wa.shington Post: I would like to direct this
question to Captain King.
You say at one point that you examined the credentials of the press
in the police station at the time of the Oswald transfer. We, on the other
hand, heard this was vcyy perfunctory. 'I'hcre is one story that a fel-
low went into the basement, and did not have proi)cr creilentials. They
invited him in merely on the say-so of another man who identified him.
The other man had never seen tin- jxilicc olTlcer before. My question is
are you satisfied tnat inspection of the credentials of the press was sys-
tematic and exacting?
Cai'tain King: I think really to answer liiis properly you have to
take into consideration the conditions and circumstances. If we had
had time to set up a system wlureiiy we established [Kjsitive idcntifica- . "' '
tion for the iu;wsmen, this probably wouldn't have been adequate, -'"i ' v^- ^
King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued
460
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Newsmen came into the city of Dallas who had no idcatificntion locally.
Obviously, for many of them, it was the first time they had ever
been in Dallas in their lives. So they arc not going to have local identi-
fication and they are not known personally to us. Many of them came
in whom we were able to identify and who didn't have any identifica-
tion with them. They had come down and had left it in their hotel,
something like this.
It has been our experience in the past that the newsmen are the
best allies you can have in keeping merely interested bystanders away
from the scene of a police incident. At the scenes of our automobile
accidents, at scenes of burglaries and robberies and all of these offenses,
if a newsman comes up to one of our officers whom he does not know
and the officer doesn't know him and the newsman does not have his
identification with him, we tell the officers to check with other news-
men. If the other newsmen present arc willing to identify him and are
willing to verify the fact that he is a newsman, then he is admitted.
We feel newsmen don't want outsiders in.
This did occur probably. So far as a positive identification of the
newsmen, no, we didn't, we couldn't, I think. We did check credentials
on them and we did, I think, use reasonable methods.
Mr. Black: Is Jack Kruegcr still with us?
CNo rofiponne-V
A Member: He slipped out a few minutes ago.
Mr. Black: I wanted to ask him if he wanted to participate in this
program. He had chosen to let Felix represent the Dallas press, but I
did want to give him the opportunity to make any comments that he
had.
I want to thank the members of our panel for a very stimulating
discussion.
--^^REEDOM AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRESS
\ An Address by The Honor adle Arthur J. GoLDnERC,
^Associate Justice, Supreme Court of the UNiTf;D States
Mr.^Iiles H. Wolff, Greensboro Daily News, presiding: When
I was asked to introduce Justice Arthur Goldberg, I had every intention
of sticking to truly biographical data. \
I was going to tell you that he was horn in Chicago, attended
public schools there and wound up receiving his B.S. and Doctor of
Jurisprudence degrees from Xorthwestern.
I had intended >o tell you, further, that he practiced law in Chicago
and gradually moved^'into the labor union field to the exclusion of other
work. He became General C<iunscl for the CIO, General Counsel for
the United Steel WorkerSvof Ann'rica and then Special Counsel for the
AFL-CIO. \
As you can see, he was ton man in his field.
All of these legal jobs, aiuKtliey were good ones, too, came to an
end in 1961 when President KcOiicily ai>i)ointed him to the high post
-of Secretary of Labor. _ \
The President did not leave him^Jlurc long. In" 1962, he asked the
Secretary of Labor to move on to Ihl Supreme Court as As.sociate
Justice. 'VS.
At this point I could have stopped, H^a unfortunately, I started
reading the clips on our speaker. They weru. fascinating, and I felt
constrained to pass a few choice items on to you. \^
For example. Time Magazine had this to report\Goldbcrg gradu.ited
from high school at 15 and enterei) upon a triple-tiniKexistcnce. Morn-
ings he went to junior college; afternoons he attended DePaul Univer-
sity and nights he held down a post office joli. As a tired-e\;eil eighteen-
year-old, he was admitted to law s(h(i<il at Norths estern\l'niversity
but only after proving, with .some difficiitl.\. that his two college tran-
scripts represented the work of only one person.
Time also reported that when his c^iiMicii were growinc upNjie
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King Exhibit No.
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Glen D. King Exhibit f^
Gentletaen, 1 ara grateful for the opportunity to tell you in brief ^
de' iil some of the problems faced by the Dallas Police Departracnt, before, ^
at the tine of and subsequent to the assassination of President John P, -j- ]
Kennedy. Because of the nagnitude of the criwc it is difficult for ne to . < ,>^
know exactly what to include and what to orait. In approxinately fifteen '^^ ■■
minutes I must try to summarize the days of preparation of the President's .x*^
visit to Dallas, and the weeks of investigation followin^j his assassination'^
there. « "-■
% remarks are necessarily going to be to a certain extent incoherent./".
An account of all that has occurred would take hours rather than the few /• ,.,
'' "^>
minutes I have. My task is primarily one of selection and I apologiza to -* ,
you in advance if i fail to address points in which you are particularly ? ^
interested. ^
Another thing 1 must explain at the outset - investigations into the
circumstances surrounding the assassination continue. While we have no
indication of exactly when they will be completed we confidently expect
that everything that can be learned will be learned and will eventually
be made public knowledge. At the present time certain information in
possession of investigative agencies has not been released. It has been
indicated to the Dallas Police Department that the Warren Commission,
studying the assassination, would prefer that no comments be made regarding
certain evidence accumulated against Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. So,
to a degree I am here under limitations. Certain things I am not permitted
to discuss. I must honor the limitations placed upon me. At times I might
seem inconsistent to you, for I may discuss parts of a question and must
decline comraent on other parts. Perhaps I might err in my appraisal of
King Exhibit No. 5
462
what is proper for discussion and what is not. I have to be the one who
decides how far I go, I do proraise you this - I will not fail to answer
any question you pose because of a desire to be evasive. I will not refrain
frora answering merely because I think ny answer will not reflect favorably
on rac or ny Department. If I fail to field one of your questions because
I think it is too hot to handle 1 will very frankly tell you so.
The activities of the Dallas Police Department, so fax as this subject
is concerned, fall into rather clearly definable categories. One is our
preparation for the visit of President Kennedy to the City of Dallas on
Novetaber 22, 1963.
The Police Departwent first beczirac officially aware of his impending
visit on November 13, nine days prior to his arrival. Of course, we knew
from newspaper accounts in advance of this date tliat he was coming. It was,
however, on V.'ednesday, November 13, that we first iset v/ith members of the
Secret Service to receive authoritative notification that the President
would visit Dallas. From that tine until November 22 there were at least
daily conferences and on most days several conferences were held.
I night point out here that at that tine the position of the Dallas
Police Department was purely supportive. Tlie Air Force had primary
responsibility for seeing that the President arrived ih Dallas safely,
and the Secret Service had primary responsibility for his continued safety
after his arrival. It was the responsibility of the Police Department to
assist the Secret Service in any manner possible.
Our plans for security called for attention to three specific locations -
first, the airport at which the President would de pliuie; second, the route
his motorcade would follow to the Trade Mart, the location at which he was
\
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463
to speak, and; third, at the Trade Mart itself.
To provide as £;rcat a decree of safety as possible a Deputy Chief and
fifty-four raenbcrs of the Pallas Police Dcpartnient v/cre at Dallas Love
Field when the President's plane arrived. They assisted in crowd control
i\t that location and did those tilings necessary to insure that the President's
Kotorcade left the airport on tine.
An additional 178 men were assigned to the parade route. As a part of
the planning process raeiiibers of the Police Department and representatives
of the Secret Service traveled over the parade route and decided at what
locations officers v/ould be needed. At tlie request of the Secret Service
we assigned an officer at each signalized intersection through which the
motorcade would pass. Additionally, we assigned from two to four men at
eacli intersection where a turn would be made, because of the belief tliat
at these locations the crowd would be heaviest. We assigned men to all
locations where the motorcade would pass under a bridge or railroad trestle.
Without being asked to do so we assigned plain-clotJies detectives and
uniform officers to patrol blocks where the crowds were expected to be the
heaviest, . " ■
At the Trade Mart we assigned 63 men to work the parking area outside
and 150 men under the command of a Deputy Cliief to provide security inside.
In all 447 men were used on specific assignments associated with the
President's visit. The very great majority of these men were off-duty
personnel* Approximately 400 off-dut^' men were brought back on duty to
supplement the regularly assigned details. Of 1100 total strength of the
Department nt least 350 were on duty at the time of the President's arrival.
1 mentioned that the role of the Pallas Police Department in preparing '
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464
for the visit of the President v;as a supportive one. In the few seconds'
it tool; to fire the shots that took the President's life the role of the
nepartruent chanced from one of support to one of primary jrcsponsibility
for tha invcotication of his death.
At the location of the assassination investigators were able to quickly
determine that an employee had been at uvirk prior to the assassination, but
was raissinn; after the offense. A description of this nan was secured and
was broadcast on the police radio. The description was "A slender white
male, about 30 years of age, about 5' 10" tall, weighing about 165 pounds,
carrying what looked like a 30-30 rifle or sorae type V>'inchester."
At 1;18 p.ra, a citizen cane on the police radio, to report that an
Officer had been shot in the 400 block of east 10th street, approxinate.ly
2 miles from the scene of the assassination of the President.
Later investigation revealed that Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit
had approached a man subsequently identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, and had
been killed by Oswald, Since both Officer Tippit and Oswald arc now dead,
v/e can only speculate on wliat probably happened at the scene of the Officer's
death.
Officer Tippit was driving his squad car east on Tenth Street, when
he observed Oswald walking west on tlie south side of the street. The
Officer pulled alongside Oswald, and talked to hira briefly across the front
seat of the police car. The Officer then got out of the car and walked
around to the front of it. When he reached the front of the car Oswald
opened fire. His three shots struck Officer Tippit in the temple, the
forehead and the chest. Any of the three would probably have been fatal.
Oswald fled the scene on foot, and a short time later the Dcpartnwjnt received
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465
information that he had entered a theatre in the 200 block of West Jefferson,
seven blocks from tlic scene of the Officer's death. Policcracn converged on
the theatre, and a searcii was bcgiin. Officer M. N. McDonald approached a
man later identified as Oswald in the contor section of tho thoatco, thrao
rows fron the back. As he approached, Oswald said, "This is it," and
attempted to draw a gun. Officer McDonald grappled with him, disarmed hira
and placed hin under arrest. He was ironediateiy taken to the Central Police
Station for interrogation by rccmbers of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau.
He arrived at Police Headquarters approximately an hour and ten minutes
after he killed the President.
Vuien Oswald arrived at the police station it was already cro-^ed with
newsmen. They had begun to arrive within minutes of the assassination,
and within an hour the hallways resembled the scenes you saw on your
televisions and in your newspapers. From that time until many hours after
the murder of Oswald tlie hallways were congested by newsmen.
We have been severely criticized by a great number of people for
permitting newsmen to remain in the hallways of police headquarters. Perhaps
this criticism is justified. At that time v;e felt a necessity for permitting
r' the newsmen as much latitude as possible. V/c realized the magnitude of the
\ incident the newsmen were there to cover, V/e realized that not only the
nation but the world would be greatly interested in what occurred in Dallas.
We believed that we had an obligation xo niake as v/idely known as possible
everything we could regarding the investigation of the assassination and
the manner in wliich ve undertook that investigation. i
We realized that if we hid the most important prisoner of the century
from the public eye, accusations would be made that he actually did not ^,
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King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued
466
co.-Mit the offense with which he was charged and that we had fabricated
a suspect.
VVe realized that improper investigation procedures could be charged
against us. As a matter of fact, even with the openness v;ith which we
uptoroachod tho inveatics^tion we heard murmur a in thla vain. \a short tine
after Oswald's arrest one newsman held up a photograph and said, 'Tlhis is
v/hat the nan charged with the assassination of the President looks like.
Or at least this is what he did look like. \ie don't know what he looks
like after an hour in the custody of the Dallas Police Department."
I believe that what was a whisper would have been a deafening roar
of protest had we failed to make available to the public all possible
information concerning our investigation. Many persons who criticized
us for permitting newsmen to remain at the scene have admitted that they
lived in front of their television sets with their newspapers in their
hands. We were, I am sure, in a position of being "Damned if we did and
damned if we didn't.**
' V.'e have been further criticized for announcing to the press the time
of tlie anticipated transfer of Oswald. Without in any way attempting to .
evade responsibility for any action which we took, let me briefly explain
how the statement of a 10 o'clock transfer came about.
On Saturday night some of the newsmen, who had been at the station
constantly since shortly after the assassination, approached our Assistant
Chief and asked if they would have time to get soraething to eat before
Oswald was transferred. They were told that if they were back by 10 o'clock
the next morning, they would be in time for the transfer. This statement
did indicate to the newsmen our intention to transfer Oswald sometime after
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King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued
V
467
10:00 a.n. Sunday ind it did indicate our | intention to permit thera to be
present when the transfer was made. VJe didn't know exactly at v;hat tine
we could effect the transfer. V.'e were sure it would not be prior to
""1 ■ ,
10 o' clock.. j
V/c l;avc been oskcd why we did not transfer hin under cover of darkncoa
when the police station and the streets were empty. In the first place,
visibility at nipht is greatly reduced and we felt that we needed as great
a degree of visibility as possible to provide as great a degree of security
as possible. We felt that darkness would work against us and v;ould serve
as an ally to anyone who might choose to attack from that darkness.
I Also, so far as the crowd at the City Hall was concerned there was
little difference between 3:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. At no hour were the
hallways clears I am sure that if we had waited a week to make the
transfer there would have still been a large number of newsmen in the
police station around the clock.
Again, this is not an attempt on my part to evade responsibility.
Obviously, the newsmen were in the police station because we permitted
them to be there. They were exercising a privilege we gave thera^
' The attempted transfer of Oswald to the County Jail was not
accompanied by the lackadaisical attitude with v;hich we I;ave been
frequently charged. We took far greater precautions than we believed
to be necessary. Prior to the transfer members of our Department went
into the basement and required everyone there to leave. With flashlight^
they then searched every nook and cranny where anyone might hide. They
searched every automobile there to be sure that no one had concealed
himself, even opening the trunks to make sure that they were not occupied.
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King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued
468
Man were s-fcationed on every stainvay , every elevator, eveiy ranp and
every doorway leading to the parking area. Then -^'j newsmen were permitted
to cone back into the parking area after their credentials had been checked.
I am not permitted to say how Jack Ruby gained entrance into the
police bascr;cnt. Wc arc convinced wc know exactly how it waa done, but Z
have been asked not to coruncnt on it, I will say that it v;as a momentary
breakdown of security at one specific location and th^t Ruby did not gain
entrance by collusion either with a newsman or a policeman, both of which
possibilities have been frequently voiced.
' There is no question that the presence of a large number of news
media representatives in the basement made it possible for Kuby to enter
and murder Oswald. Again, tliis is not an attempt on ray part to place
responsibility on the shoulders of the press. The newsmen were in the
basement because we permitted them to be thcre._^
I realize that rry remarks have ignored entire areas and that I have
touched very lightly upon many points I have attempted to cover. At the
proper time I sliall be liappy to try to answer any questions you might
hove that come v/ithin the limitations imposed upon me.
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King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued
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FD-302 (R«v. 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUR^A'J OF INVESVIG ' T|ON
1
Date Dec. 10, 1963
Mr. ABRAI-TA'^i KLEINI-IAj>I„ 1189 Templemore Drive, Apartment
B, telephone DA 1-3927, was intzerviewed at his place of business.
Union Fidelity Building, Room 1104, 1511 Bryan Street, at which
time he advised he is self-employed as a .Certified Public
Accountant and has resided in the Dallas area for the past
59 years o
He stated he first met JACK RUBY around 1952 and has
knoTiiTn hira on a casual basis for at least 10 years. KLEIKIIAN
was unable to recall the. exact circumstances surrounding their
acquaintance, but stated he has been in the Dallas area for
a long time and is acquainted with moat of the busitessmen
in this area. He related th.it his association with RUBY was
more or less a business acqiwlntance rather than a social
acquaintance and explained this by saying that he had never
been \dLth RUBY on any social excursions; however, has done
a certain amount of accounting busiiie.ss for RUBY in connection
with ruby's night clubs. Carousel and Vegas Clubs, both
of wtibh he described as being local night spots in Dallas.
KLEINMAN stated RUBY first contacted him back in
1956 and requested some accounting work in connection with
the Carousel Club. He could recall doing very little accounting
work for RUBY at that particular time and related he has h^d no
other busirsss connections with RUBY until this past year.
It V7as sometime in October of 1962 that RUBY contacted him
again and requested that he handle the accounts for both the
Carousel and the Vegas Clubs. In connection with this, Mr.
KLEINl'IAN stated he h-^s prepared and filed the tax returns
for the Carousel Club but ha.s been unable to prepare the Vegas
Club account to present. Ke vyent on to say tnat he had considerablei
difficulty with the records of the Carousel Club and explained
this by saying that RUBY m^aintained very few records and as
a general rule, hisd carried the business on a cash basis.
In regard to RUBY°s business » KLEINMAN advised all
the records* pertaining to both the' Carousel and Vegas Clubs
are presently in the hands of Mr. BOB KLEIN of the Internal
Revenue Service, located in Dallas, Texas. He added that the
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on Vllll^Z ot Dallas, Texas File # DL 44-1639
LANSING P. LOGAN h
by Special Agon.s ALTON E. BRAMBLETT/csh ^^^^ ,.^,^,^, 12/10/63
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your agency; II and Its contents arc not to be distributed n-* " " , i, n '^
Kliinman, Abraham Exhibit 1 "^
Kleinman Exhibit No. 1
470
DL 44- 163 ^'
records should be returned within a v;eek or so and if desired,
he would make them available to the FBI at this time. He
stated the records revealed all employees of both the Carousel
and Vegas Clubs, but that the records containing these names
were also turned over to the Internal Revenue Service, Dallas.
In regard to RUBY's background, Mr. KLEINMAN stated
his acquaintance was a casual one and knev; of nothing specific
concerning RUBY's political convictions, his personal character
or personal desires. He added that the only individual who
ppeared to be close to RUBY v;as an individual by the name of
RALPH PAUL, who, according to RUBY, was the President of the
Vegas Club. He further stated that JACK RUBY had told him that
EARL RUBY was the Vice-President and JACK RUBY was the
Secretary-Treasurer of the Vegas Club.
Mr. KLEINMAN further added that JACK RUBY appeared
to be an emotional person but explained that RUBY v/as always
courteous in connection with their business dealings. He could
recall one specific incident concerning the emotional and sensi-
tivity of RUBY which occurred sometime, he believed, on November
23, 1963. Sometime that day, exact time he could not recall,
Mr. KLEINMAN saw RUBY for a very brief time in the Sols Turf
Bar and could recall RUBY having some report or a pamphlet
concerning "Impeachment of Earl Warreno" He advised he could
not recall the specific conversation that took place between
nimand RUBY, but he gained the impression that RUBY was pretty
much aggravated concerning the pamphlet. He could not recall
discussing the assassination of President KENNEDY with RL^Y at
this time, but stated the conversation may have been associated
in some way with the assassination. He was unable to relate
any other information pertaining to this particular conversation
that had taken place between him and RUBY on that day.
Mr. KLEINMAN further stated he has ne\^ discussed
any political aspects with RU'BY that he could recall and
v/as under the impression that RUBY was not particularly con-
cerned over the political 'views of the country. He was unable
to furnish any information as to why RUBY hacf shot LEE HARVEY
OSWALD on November 24, 1963.
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DL 44-1639
In regard to any relationship between JACK RUBY and
OSWALD, Mr. KLEINKAN advised he had never heard the name LEE
KARVEY OSWALD prior to the assassination of President KENNEDY
and could not recall ever hearing the name. He further
added that to the best of his knowledge, JACK RUBY had never
mentioned the name of OSWALD in his company.
Mr. KLEINMAN advised RUBY has paid him for most of the
accounting work that he has done. He stated he received
checks from RUBY drawn on, the Vegas Club account and had received
cash payments for any accounting in connection with the Carousel
Club.
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Kleinman Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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FD.302 (R.v. 3-j-5«) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
11-29-63
Date ___ ' —
— RUSSELL LEE MOORE, Aka . , Russ Knight, the man with
the "weird beard", disc Jockey, KLIF Radio Station, Dallas,
Texas, residence 2715 Barnes Bridge Road, telephone DA 10467#
advised that he has been acquainted with JACK RUBY for a year
and a half in coruUectlon with the handling of RUBY' s radio
advertising of the Carousel Club. He stated he does not ., ,
know I^JBY and knows of no associates other than GEORGE SENATOR,
whom he met on one occasion and presumes he woi^ks with
.Tu'BY at the Carousel Club, ■ .
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MOORE stated he was on duty on the late evening
of November 22, 1963 and early morning hours of November 23,
1963, at the radio station KLIP and GLEN DUNCAN told him he
received a telephone call from JACK RUBY who asked him if
he was interested in an Interview withr District Attorney
■J.i3:NRY WADE and Indicated that he was calling from the Police ■''
D>5partment ahd would endeavor to locate WADE for DuNCAN. MOORE
stated that he immedia-tely departed for the Police Department
in an effort to contact HENRY WADE and upon arrival to the
Police Department,, learned ^that WADE had already made a
statement to the- press and 'had supposedly left. MOORE stated that
RUBY walked up to him In the Police Department and told him
WADE was in the basement of the Police, Department and directed him
to WADE. MOORE statedhe talked to WADE momentarily and when
he got through, RUBY was gone. He stated that he returned to
the ra<^lo station at approximately 1^45 a.m., November 23, 1963* and
RUBY was there and had brougiit sandwiches and soft drinks to
the station. He stated he does not recall specifically what
PJJBY had to say, bi& recalls he was grieving for the KENNEDY
^family. He stated ha recallsi that RUBY handed hinr a speech and
said, "read this and see what you think about it." He stated
he still has this speech which is dated June I9, I963, put oyt
by "Life Line", by H. L. HUjri, entitled, ."Heroism."
MOORE said that this was the last time he saw
RUBY and that- he has no information concerratng the whereabouts
of RUBY at the time of -fhe assassination of the President and knCws
nothing about any trips RU^Y has mape .out of the city of
Dallas.
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Kramer Exhibit No. 1
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Kramer Exhibit No. 2
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FO.Joa (ii.T..ji^.».) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGAT(ON
1
"* "- - n»t« November 29, 19^3
HERBERT B. KRAVITZ, 4039 Cole Avenue, advised h« l8
a salesman for Supada Cravats Neck Wear Company; that he
has lived In Dallas, Texas, for one and a half years.
KRAVITZ advised that he flust met JACK RUBY when he . -
and a 'friend, EARL BARKER, a' musician, were at a Chinese
restaurant In Dallas called Yee's. He said RUBY Introduced
himself to them as RUBY had seen BARKER playing at, a club'
earlier In the evening. RUBY' Invited them to come to. his
club (Carousel Club), which they did the following eV'enlng.
RUBY ''picked up the tab" for all of their expenses at^^hd
Carousel Club during that evening. After the club closed,
they went to a restaurant where they talked until about
4:00 or 5:00 a.m. KRAVITZ said RUBY told them his life's
story, 'which story was the same as recently set forth In the
newspapers. »
KRAVITZ advised he went back to the Carousel ,■ ,_^'^
Club on two later occasions, the last of which was on November " •' ^^
20, 1963. He was with a date, ELAINE ROGERS, and recalled that ^
he won a stuffed cat at the drawing for the door prize at j ^"
the club. He said he did not particularly want to go ; i'
.to the club on that date as RUBY had earlier asked him to ■ «
attend Jewish church services with him, and he had declined. ' ^
However, he went to the club as Miss ROQEPIS wanted to see . S
a friend of hers who was dancing at the club. / 3-
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KRAVITZ advised he never discussed any political , *
beliefs with RUBY and had no real close association with > ^
him. He advised, that from his knowledge of RUBY he did ' g-
not believe RUBY to b6 a "homosexual." ' ^
KRAVITZ advised he has Tie ver "been arrested;
that he is 23 years of age; th^t he has^eyer been married.
on 11/27/63 „♦ Dallas. Texas Pi,. ^ PL 44-1639
JOSEPH Q. PEGGS &
by Sp.eiol Afl>nB AT.VTN .T. ZTMMERMAN/p.ah Dot* dictated 11/28/6^
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jKx.No.5106 KRISS^H.U. Deposition_
Dallas 3-26-6.;
OL 44-1639/eah
"November 26. 1963
"Mr. J. E. Curry
"Chief of Police
"Sir:
'On Sunday, November 24, at approximately 9:45 A.M., I
arrived at the basement of the City Hall and reported to
Captain Arnett. They had just completed searching the
basement, I had no specific assignment. I was told to
stand around ind keep my eyes open, to let no-one in
the part of the basement where the cars come and leave
unless they had a Press Card.
'I noted every car that came into the basement was thoroughly
searched by the regular officers.
"At different times I walked up both ramps to observe the ^
crowds thdt were gathering, and talked to the officers
standing at both entrances to the basement.
"I was constantly bothered by reporters, asking questions
and wanting information which I did not know.
"1 was told rumors were that there were several threats
going around, and that was the reason for all the security.
"Prior to Oswald's arrival from the Jail Of lice \.e v-erc told
to keep the Press against the railing and to keep one side
clear, which we did. In a few minutes Oswald cams out of
the door and had just rounded the corner. I was looking at
his face, and in just a fraction of a second later I saw a
blur, ray thoughts were that some reporter was attacking him
(Oswald). 1 then heard a muffled shot, and heard someone
say 'get the Doctor." I saw Captain Arnett grappling in
the crowd and ran to his aid, but saw he was O.K. Then,
heard someone holler not to let anyone out, so I ran halfway
up the North ramp and stood there. No-one passed.
"I did not know the subject Ruby and had never seen him to
the best of my knowledge.
"Respectfully,
. , "/s/ Harry M. Kriss
"Harry M. Kriss
"Lieutenant
"Dallas Police Reserve" C^ («? SiT
Kriss Exhibit No. 5106
477
-64— vol. XX 32
ro4o2 (R.». jo-so) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION ^ ^\^^
^
\..^^ n«t» 12/4/63 "^
HARRY U. ICRISS, 6906 IlerriloQ Lano, Dallas, Tosas, <" \^
vzc intervioued at tho offico of tho Federal Bureau of ^0"
Investisation, Dallas. Eo was advised that ho v;a3 not re- ^
quired to raako a statez".cnt; that any statement "ho v;ould aako "^
might bo used against hin in a court of law; and that he had ^ / ^
the right to legal counsel bojfore making a statement. ' V ^
\>
ISr. KRISS advised that he is a reserve officer of
the Dallas, Texas, Police Departaent, having the rank of
Lieutenant. He is employed by tho Sweet Manufactiiring Com- r
pany, 1100 Commerce Street, Dallas. -* C^
KRISS stated that on Kovenber 24, 1963, at 9:45 AU,^
ho received a call from Lieutenant IZcGOY of the Dallas Police
Department requesting him to report to duty immediately to
assist in working tit^fic in the general area of the driveway
loading to the parking area of -iae basement of the City Hall,
Ee put on his uaiiZorni and reported to the basement of the
City Eall at about 10:00 ALI. Y.'hen he arrived there., he no-
ticed that the basement area at the intersection of the ramps
and corridor leading from the jail office to the raaps was
full of people, mostly newsprper men. The remaining individ-
uals appeared to be all _.^jl_wO officers, either regular or
reservists.' About r.u hour later, he recalls that there must
have beon nearly a hundred individuals in the area, mostly
newsmen. Ee could not identify any newsmen and recrJls that
other than himself, ho recognized police officers present as
Captains ARNETT, JONES, and KING; and Sergeants D3AN, PUTNAU,
aiid TROY. He does not recall their initials or first names.
Ee recalls that police officers made a search and
check of the entire jail area, including all persons present
and all vehicles parked at the parking area. He added that
he recalls that they even checked to determine that the
trunks of the automobiles v;ere locked. He stated that he is
not acquainted with the particular instructions given officers
concerning secvirity measures, but he felt that the police
were doing their utmost to determine that all individuals
present were either police officers or members of the pi'ess,
and to make sure that no unauthorized individuals entered.
He stated th£it he does not know of any unauthorized persons
that may have been permitted to enter the area.
«
.NO.PJ.U/ KRISS,H.M. Deposition
Dallas 3-26-64
12/3/63 Dallas, Texas **« 44-1639
Filoifi!
P.CBEST J. WILKISON and
by Special Ao.n^ s y^D^'Om) C. PAEDIN lip p^^. jj^^^^d 12/4/63
Thta document coatalna naitber neomiiMndatloiis nor conelnalona o( tho FBI. It U tho proporty of tho FBI and in loanod to
rour ogoncy; It and iU conlonu ara net la bo dtatiltoolod outaida yoor aganoy.
Kbiss Exhibit No. 5107
478
DL ^4-1639
V.'Iicn he arrived in tho br.cci'nGr-t, ho ctc/cloricC hir.:- .
C3l'2 on tho couthwes;; corner Oa \ho Cow.jerce rc:;.p, where the
corridor connects with this ra:?.p. The corridor led f roi?j uie
jail office >.'oor and fron double doers v/hich led irito the
City Hall and to elevators further on. The Kenbers of 1.3
press were lined up alon^ the wall opposite IG?cISS, and police
officers v;ere sca''^-ered about at various locations. IC":ISS
stated that when OSuAlD was brought downstairs and throu2;h
the Jail office door out iuto the corridor, he, IC?.ISS, was
unable at first to observe OSV/ALD and the police officers es-
corting hin, due to the fact the corner of the ra:::p obstructed
his view. Le stated that when GSV.7iLD arrived to v;ithin tv;o
or three steps of the spot where he was shot, he began to be
able to observe hln and his escort, V/hen CS17ALD was shot, he
v;as looking in the general direction of OS'.'/ALD, and, due to
.*e bright lights of the carjeras ISlSSvras partially blinded
and dees not recall seeing Ru3Y beginning his r-ove to approach
CSuV-LLj, but Kiereiy saw RUBY's action as a blur and got the
i;."iprec2ion that he v-iust have been a reporter atte::3pting to
get closer for a shot ■... .i -j.s cancer a. lie added that he does
not recall seeing rrj2Y in the area prior to the ti~ie he shot
0S'.7ALD and does not know anyone with v;hom OSV/ALD may have
spoken beforehand.
IIRISS stated tliat he is not acquainted with RIBY
nd never knew OSV'ALD. Ee added that he has never been e:;:-
ployed by RUBY and lcnov;s of no other individuals who have
been er.iployed by hira. Ee added that he does not know of any
possible relationship which aay have existed between RiBY and
OSV.'ALD.
I'^-a
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Kriss Exhibit No. 5107 — Continued
479
MAIN ST.
Kbiss Exhibit No. 5108
480
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__£x.No.5118 LANE,D.E.
Dallas
Deposition-\
3-31-64
f'^'' >{Z{£i;^ ^- ^"^-^-^'^,
loibrmAUOo for tesc quesdocu.
Lane Exhibit No. 5118
(Duplicate of original money order receipt given to Jack Ruby)
'.963 NOV 94 AM II 17 '^ ^
j;5C.No.51l9
LANE,D.r,.
Dallas
Lane Exhibit No. 5119
481
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Lawrence, Capt. P,¥. Exhibit 1
Lawrence Exhibit No. 1
482
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483'
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484
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Lawrence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
485
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Lawreince Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
486
Laweence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
487
Lawrence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
488
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Curry
f.
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itovf-nbor 21, 19 O
Subjoott Precldont .T.P. Kr r,-,- '/'r. r. l]^o
Visit ft Parcfla - ;,;■;: .ri<:.a,
Ft-iday, Kover.bor 2-, ly'3
Tho fbllCT-jing plans are submlttod for policing the parade, and ot.hor trafi'ic ar/J cscurity
essicr.T.jfit.a.
'iiiO' r»;an:wv.'or used to handle those asolgnr-ont^ vlll cono fro'^ the 'irsfric division ancl
cvalliblc Police iiecervefi. All personnel to be on aosigmcnt before 10:00 A.!;., unless
otherwise specified.
Deputy Chief R. H. Lunday -.in Ciwr£;a of retail - 6
Captain P, VJ. Lawrence - Assistant in Charso - 120
Presidential Solo Escorti ^ \
lead Sp.t. S. 3lllE-150^ / i^""'''*" ' ^
-.*L. 3. Graj-156 [ //>
•^E. D. BrcKer-137 f /
W. G. LoriiJlcinylS?
■XH, R. TTQsi!um-iyj> -^
Left Sid« B, W. H:irr;is-136 > (^.jp,: cr 'c.^.t^-O^--^ )'"> < ■■»"
B. J. Martin- 131/
tH. "'. J<cl<-.in-15i;
J,W, courson-153
Right Side D. L. Jcckcon-13'3 A>.' ^ /'-''"• ■-^'
J. K. Chansy,-15l/'^
•fC. A. Tiaysood-ll|2
♦M. L. &ikcr-13l
i»3.J. Dal«-161 ^^^ OF E^c.nj -'- ■ '
if.Jill cover Stor,monE Frcev-.v/ traffic Isr.cs '^o *h3 rer.r c."
escort to prevent any vehicles from passing .-'rstider.tial
party.
Ad'/ance Dnit (Ahead of r^rado)t
Sst. S. C. B.llah-190 I C,r,t;J^ ,
;i«^J. P.. narrick-132 T '^ i •-
->^Q.C. KcErido-133
uj/^.^-' ^ r ' ^v^'
La3rirence, C^t. P.V/. Exhibit 2
Lawrence Exhibit No. 2
489
fi
jctor Pool (Trade Hart Command rost)i
Sgt. R. L. Strlesol-130
Ctt. '.;. C. CanpbGll-2C0 (Aftor)
L. H. nar3hall-139
V.J. Hay-llil
V.R. Fsatherston-lJU (Aaer)-
J. H. •rsylcT-'lSl (AXtor).
Z. D. iia£-ford-159 (Uter)
J. y_ir lHBia»-l62-(VlXtdr)
J. 0. For.loy-27L (After)
n. K. IUr.~in3-262 (Mtor)
S. JcnQ»-293 (After)
V. Prico-255 (After)
0. L. rdr::oll-277 (Aftor)
C. K. ?ioles-27p (After)
C. V. Vatt-266 (After)
•a-affic and Security Assignmonts, Trade Mart (7»00 A.;-!. a£clga.ient)i
Sgt. V, K. Ruscoll-230
P. N, Coopcr-(3-Hh)-2ol
V. n. Jordan (3 Vh)-273
E.F. >tynarclk (3 Vh)-237
M. A. Rhoades (3 v;h)-292
J.C. Robinson (3 Vb)-291
I^rade Routo Traffic and Security Assicnnontst
Lt, V. F. Soutliard - 128
Sgt, W, A. SimpBon»250
Sgt, B. F. Rodf:ors-220
Sgt. D. 7. H&rknesQ-260
Sgt, V. C. Caiapbe 11-280
(1) Love Field to Turtls Creek
(2) Love ?lcld to Kocidngbird b Hinea
(1) Turtle Creek .', Cedar Sprin£;s to {larvood
(2) Hines, In-lustrisil lo Inwcod Rd.
(1) Main t Field to J!ou£ton & Slffl
(2) Industrial & Hinos
(1) K.!in-non.'ood to Field
(2) Motor Pool, Trade ilart
Ho-Paridng Detail! (7iOO A.M. Assignnont):
Sgt. E. B. ;!c-.;arcl-290
J. T. Griff in-?7?
C. R. Hanu.lton-233
T. A. Hutson-281i
K.S. Standfield-261
Asslrfnont #1
Cccir :jprinj'3 &
Lrlvfiyay at Lova
aoi-J S:.atue f'-ST
Cedar Sorinj^s k
>fecid.ngbird
Asaignncnt /''2
— xm —
All officers work
V;cst sido Kortb-
bound Storw.ons Ssrv.
RA. betveon entrance
& Industrial
AssijjnTncnt y3
(ouv;
Cedar Springs &
Drive-ftvy at Love
Field Statue ( KAST
Codar Swings it
I^ookingbird
Officer
J. Y. Ai;':r.-2:5 0--
;
H. K. Cclilns
Vit\,£. m^iitifii-s
c. n. •,^;iit-;u-.-257 (c-
:•)
J. 3. Jcn:;s
J. :".. J-.-rain-s
'• . ". :;-~ln3
•4.
Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
I
490
Acf if.tvnont -?!
ABSlp
nmnt ■f2
ASB ^p.nr.ont ^'j
:cklnsblrd & Issnon
3-4«i officer work Mooklngblrd &
Continental entrance Denton
to Stor-ncns >wy -
other man vork V.'ost
eido t^'orthbound
Stominons Sorv, Rd,
betwoon entrano* li
Industrial
Officor
X(.l
C.H.Earr-hart-2^ (3-. ..)
P. W. Britton
leignton & louood
J."' officer work Indust-
rial Exit of Stenmons at
Northbound Stonrnons Vvy-
ot^or nan vork v.'est side
Northbound Ste.-nmons Sorv,
Rd. bet;icon entrance &
Industrial
Mockingbird &
Maplo
L.B.roilhars;,-269 (jO
Lensnoi^ t Cotton
Belt KR (atop
ER oTcrpass)
Work V/eBt side North-
bound Stecmona Sorv.
r.d. botucon entrance
& industrial
KocklriRbird i- Kines
Sfrvlce Hd.
leiniRon & Douglas
If^-TTton fc OsSt LewB
(abcve J.-r vill
trf.r.o-iort)
Invood !: nines
(unrier Hineo)
Mockingbird I- Forest
Pai'.: Rd,
J. K. C a l.'h<« 11-267 (J.')
(Trsr^port officers
below)
w. n. B-irkcr
3. E. Vilson
IrxrTion ?.- Turtle
Croek (3)
!rurUe Creok 4 Hall
lurtle Creok & Eowen
Cedar Springs & Turtle
Croek Blvd. f ?i
iiinas I- Butlar
Hines fi Lofland
(1) D. 6. Kcrn-2i;5 (car)
(2) A. i?. Gris
(3) H.i;. toi.-or
R. F. Calo-272 (J-)
0. H. U;.n-.on
0. n. ;•;-':, -- - ', ■■
Itotcr
Mart
Pool- Trade
J.O. Fcnlcy-27ii (J'
Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
491
Cdar Sprinpa & Katy US.
overpass (atop overpass)
Cedar Sprin.oia & Falmount
(sbovo car viU transport)
Cedar Springs & Mapls
Cedar Springs & Olive
Cec'ar Springs & Harwocd (3)
Harwood & McKinnay
Harvood & Rossr
Har^ood & San Jacinto
Harwood !< Bryan
Harvood & live Oak
Har«cod & Pacific
Hamood & Sin
HaTKOOd & Kain
Main f, St, Paul
K-'in t- Ervay
"ain I- Stone
I'ain & Akerd
. Eardin-25;9 Joii-)
F. T. ChariCo-25.2
Motor Pool-Trade r',art Il.K.nif;.ir^-?.o2 (jO
J. A. Grec-.nhav
Kotcr Pool- Trade tort 3.Jone3-2J3 (Ji)
G.R. Spears
RR Croflsing on
In^iiictr-al (Hines)
Industi^al l- Hines
0) M.' .
(2)- .,. ;
(3; V.D. £...<_ ;-L
Motor Pool- Trade Hart V. ?rico-25= (J;)
W. A. S.r.lth
Motor Pool-Trado Hart G.L. Purr^ 11-277 {'J )
2. V^f, Speir
H. L. Cox
Ico Hcle
Hotor Pool-lrado lUirt C.i', Fiei/is-27> (>:)
G.H. Hosklns
L.>u.ddlc:ton
Motor '<\)ol»Trade Hart C.W. Watt-266 (Jv)
S. L. Crcrxhsu
J. H. ILrkin;:
H. A, in;:;on-2.;i (J )
SSlfi^^^ ' ' '■■
::. a. Oillert
rJWs /(.;:^»^^-^
T. n. :::.noon
K.J. 'Jlte
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La WHENCE Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
492
Main & Field
Main & Kurphjr
Main & Griffin
Main St Poydras
Main ft Lamar
Main & Austin
Main & Martot
Main & Rocord
K.I in L Houston
Houston & E3b
Sl-n I: RR OvcfpasB
(both Oj'iicoro atop
r.?. overpass - one nan
on "ast side & one man
on V.'tct eide)
Ste-nons FrcOT*£y Ser?.
lid. OTiiT.^Ai-i; (atop
ovorpaisa) «
"Z:? R?. Orerpacs aorocB
Stcmons Freovay (Just
?;orth of RLi Street -
ono nan on South catwalk 4
ether man on North catvalk)
Sts-nors Oyei^xisB at
I R-: as trial (3 Vheeler
atop Overpass on Sast side)
-H ftltfrr i ^nrl Ti— '" ■'-•"'; J.W. Killi!.r:3-l62 (SOL''.') ;
R. H. Cciort;'3
M. L. Alton
J5r^:^>^' "- '^- rin.-:?^J (J . )
i J. C, Eor.-c
Motor Pool-Trad© JIart £. D. Vcifcrd-lg? (Golc) l|
/?,-/; MiK-
I). L.Kcn-ijr
.Hotojp-^^ooW&ada-MiTt J.-ii^ i^yloi— 15? -(£olo)
C. Dyor
Motor Po o l^TtmJ e Hart ^'j. H. .-.•-.;. j'on-i:^ (..
T/ctmo^ i.,/('iatc)'*n
»U l.illl...,-.
H.A. reiices
A. S. Cnrricon
D.J. !'07.
C. ... L5-.;is
W. H. DeniTa:^
V, S. Earrctt
J. M. £nith
S,L. £aith
J. \\ Foster
J. C. Vhite
f^J. 2. ::urph7-?71 (JO
J. A. Ij:^'-^z.x
K. V. Ero«n
C. E. Shankics-293 (3'')
-5-
Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
44-731 O— 64— vol. XX 33
493
St^^rjtons Sonde* Road ft
(Polioo Reserlra Crowd Control Mslgnnants attaohad)
U^^aoP > /%7^ae/^«- Reapeotfully,
U.J. Kocan
V.S. Wilson
77 £r. <^<£-<r
H. '1. lunday
Deputy Clilef of Polica
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Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
494
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Lawrence Exhibit No, 2 — Continued
495
Novorabor 22, I963'
Mr. J. E. Curry,
Chief of Folic*.
Sin
Subjoetl ' Security Detail for
. President Kcnneciy.
The followiiis is a list of poroonnol from the Tliird ictrol Platoon who v.ill roport
to the Central Station Dotail Roaa at 9«30 A.M., Friday, IJoveiibor 22, IQ65, to
work Traffic Assignment.
1, Culpepper, Godfrey fi.
2. DryK, Ralph T.
3?- — SaiJy-,— iiarTi«-&j
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
Fo'jUis, li^ynond T.
Geo, ihoaas £.
Gentry, '..'n. F.
Hallia, Clias. L.
Heath, Ronald Q.
Hunter, J. J.
PATEOUffiri
10.
n.
12.
13.
Ik,
15.
16.
17.
18,
Johnston, Jaiios H.
JcncG, Joo I).
Kolloy, *illr..on L.
Lan^jhara, VJm. E,
Koore, Cui-tio
5!urcSoc!c, J09 V.'.
PerL-Oi, Billy F.
Itobbina, Veldon S.
Sales, Joseph K.
19, Wilkereon, Eu^eno A,
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Jjawrence, CJ5)t. P.W. Exhibit 3
Si.t>v.va.-.^i>dfe,
Lawrence Exhibit No. 3
496
u Ua^a^«^'
CJji.i" of i'ollco
:>ir:
Jnly 15, iy<;4
i\;>',vi-,ltr 22, lv>3
;cfore t;:;: ip-5ivi.!::r-l srafi'Ic .-ii;:::-.;i_i-r.to './ore ;: Ivon t'> cnch r.nn
: tol.J t;;e officers t':c a.vn- >::ii.»:ac ti::i> of c'--a a:-ir'.val of CI.-o
i'rc;;i.i'crit nt Love I'AclcJ, \-'r^rc !>..• u-'uiv; arrive: .-;<'. ti-,;* c;--;?ro:-..'.i"::-.to
ni'A-;tx?c of vcliic3c«u in x.'.-ii-3 .-i.-torc-'i -c. I ^Ico awVisc-J t':T:;:i tii^c
C.'sicf I^n,v;;in v.-oul.t l^e in a •.■-'.lUe i'.i.d U'iL:; tl^;- .;:crr?t JorvicG
,;>crio.'>:4?I, n->:}r";;;i;.T:cl/ ci-. Tji ;«r t.-a ' •loc[.:, .:■'., c-n.l cl* 'i-iic ::oic;r-
cr...*c n;i.l tlist oil olTiccirn on iici-i, .. i.t i.:i.:>i.l'J Lc rlcrt for ctiis
vo;iiclc "!ia ;)ull C.'..f L;;.;/r;ia'a vc -'.c:,: t:;ro.:':i r-.:.; i-^us s*rl
l;l.>ck off nil trc:rfic for t:>c ;::,-»i. cu::; i;o.:.-.:c.v'c. T li-cn
i'.^tcd tit::it t'ic ;..'.»tv>rc^.v''G v,r:"*3.<' iii've na advance '..-,;•.,: cvcli:
ci^nC; tJ;a* t.':c fir«;t one i?: t;.:? f: c..';C vo.lcl Ix? C'.l'r : rry'o
cyclc cc^cort:; xKuld t<c j:::>t t.> ::^' ..;;r • f ll-o '';i;i . . :u*i c;;r
oil cr»c'i aicio. I aJviiic;! l^v1;M t"':nt ..;.c I;;:^t vo:.'c:i.' " : \' '.c
ri.) l-or c.'.v'.o ixViiil.i be a w.'.itc cjii i ''.Cvl .'■ .) cur; 31g:j, .,: - c. • 1
officcra c;x:rcii£r.;; :i:>>or vc>\iclcci oho lU rcr.ain on UUnnr-cl 2
for radio co:;.unlcatio:u>«
I t!'.cn \-;c?r.t over t."»<» mute c-f x'-c r;-v;^':c'~:'e frr.a Ixivo ' i'*J
\w il,^ h ve ai-j:, ij^/iilt; li:f.*r<; .v ' rk.- .\. ;' •> i);;;-^ -e ^:;J i .:.■:■
I ;■,. !i vc £j.^;ii,': -^ati in ti:'? '.'ra ':; art nrf;\; ri}::> ..;. i oiV.-r
:-■:..' ..-.s;iio \;;>ulci Ix: r:i/.(:c afirr t:.c ^'r.-olJci.t Ict'c t'-o .rr-c
•ii:; rln 'ivit:!!.-!! azi&'.'.i'-'.cnt. I C'}.^-o nv'Gv.a ficcc off''C-:i-o t^'-t
:i;:fKrvJc;or;i v.-Ofil'.', be nvni l.iblc an ii.cir ;>,-rtici:in.r cro.-) Tit rr.y
I t.-.ca tulcl the officers :!i-t '. ->rir Kl/i.'.ry -iuCi' \;r.5 iiaffic sod
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Lawrence, C^t, P.V/, Exhibit U
Lawbence Exhibit No. 4
497
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■^•KT^"'" ' iT" "" - James R. Leavelle Exhibit A —
REPORT ON OFFICER'S DUTIES in RT- CARDS TC THii) PRESIDE.\T«S iJURDSR
J. n. IE,\YE,LLS. - ^^736
I reported for v.-ork at 7:00 am on rViday Uovc^bor 22, 1963. lly partners
I noncally vrork with, Dotootivas E. R. iiock and 0.' R. Boyce, woro both off duty.
' At 10:00 ara C, "VT. Erovm ropcartod in for duty. V/e got tocether to arrest a nesro
hljaokor, Calvin fiugono J"'olcon, V;o located hia at 12 «15 pa> 2lt3l Ellis Stroot,
and returned to our office and placed hira in jail at 12:145 pa. 1 '•''as told by Lt,
Wells that the President had been sh ot and for us to report to Eln and Houston
Streets, .,
On our arrival I v.-ent directly to the ftont of the Texas School 2ook
Depositor:.', Itll I'-lta street, • I net Inspector Savo^er v*io told me thnt the build-
ing v/as secure and that it was being searched. Inspector Sayiyer also told bo
all v/itnesses were being taken to the Sheriff's Office for interrogation,
Tne uniform officers came up with a v^hite nan named l^illian Sharp of 3U39
Detonta, T/ho the officers said had been up in the buildirg across the street
from the book depository without a good excuse.. I took charge of this man and
escorted him to the Sheriff's Office, v/hero I placed him with other vd-tnosses,.
Several 2urglary and Theft Bureau detectives came in and volunteered thei?
services for interrogation, I .told them if they would work vdth the Sheriff's
''• ^utios, questioning the v/itnesses, I would return to the scene of the shooting
to assist in the search*
Just as I reached lill'^lm, the scene of the shooting of the ■^resident, a
call came out on the police radio of a shooting of a police officer in the liOO
HLk. of East lOth Street in Cak CLiff. I returned to the Sheriff's Office and
called my office and %alkQi with -H, Wells v;ho said there was no one covering '
the officer shooting, I told hla I would make it, I borrovred a car from
jI)et,°A. L. Edwards who was questioning a ^vitness in the sheriff's office and
prooeodod to Oak Cliff. . _ . ■. "
Leavelle Exhibit A
499
PoJPOI^ ON OFFICER'S DUTES EJ Kl^GARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT'S LT7?J)2R
J. R. LSA.VSLLE-.j{736
On ny arrival in trio IiOO Mlk. of 2. 10th Stroct I talked with Cpt. Bud
O-.vong^ jinJ OjTicor J. ^f^f_oo. At the samo tiao a call cane out that a pereon
rittinc the dcccription of tho cuspoct v/as scon cnterins tho Texas Thoatro on
West Jefrerson.
I at-tcnpted to roach tho Texas Theatre in the 200 ELk, of '.^ost *'efforsoa
but v/as unable to do so becauso of tho tralTic, Officor ■*'oo had given ne tho
nane o'' a T;o.-3.*n who >7as an eyewitness to the shooting. Her naao v/as Helen
liarldirj2 of 52G E. pth Street, a v/aitross at the Eat well CaTo on ilain Street,
Also that tho nanaser of the -used car lot, ^01 E, Jefferson, had heard tho
chcotins and seen the jsuspect runnin.^ froQ the scene. Officer Poo also told
no Eoneono had picked up two empty ,38 hulls frca the street and given thea to
hia, but ho did not know who it was, t,
Aftor the arrest of Osr/ald at tlic Texas Theatre i was told over tho police
radio that Squad 91 had tho witness to tfco shooting and wao onroute to the city-
hall • I then returned to the city hall and my office, I assisted other officers
in taking affidavits an:i answering the telephone. I took affidavits fron
Charles Douglas Givins and Billy Nolan Lovelady,
I was thon directed by Captain Fritz to locate the v/oioan witness to
Tippit's murder and take h-.-r to the shovaip room to view Lee Oswald in a lineup,
I found Helen i^arldiara in the Police Enorgency Rooa with Det, i*, C, Graves, Sho
was suffering froa shock. As -soon as she was able, I took her to the shoxvup
roca and called Captain Fritz t^o had Oswald brought do*>m and placed in a lineup.
At k J35 pa, Noverabar 22, I963 Helen ilarldiam identified Oswald as the {12 nan •
in a li>aan lineup as the zaan who had shot Officer Tippit. Also present was
Qiief Curty, Captain Fritz and Dot. L. C. Graves. There may have been others in
tho room, I don 't recall.
Leiavelle Exhibit A — Continued
500
J. R. Lcavcllo-- ^j 2
Cot. L. C, GravQS and I then took Helen Markh.-m to hrr home in Oak Cliff,
Te stopped at tho used car lot, ?01 B. Joffcr£on,T/hcro v/o talked v/ith tho nanagor,
7cd Oallov/ay, v/ho told no ho had oocn +hQ cuspcct running fron tho sccno •n.'ith a
con in his hind and hov; he was dressed — ^with dark trousers, shirt lisht color,
Jaokot and a T ehii*t| thnt tha shirt and J;iclcot ivoro opon and ho oould coo tho
T shirt,, A colored pcrter, San Guinyard, of V/axahachie, Texas said ho olso
caw the suspect and could identify hia. I also talked with another cnployeo
of tho lot, Doaingo Benavidos, $09 E. •'effercon, who said ha wont to the sceno
of tho shooting and picked up two ccrpty hulls and gave them to Officer Poc,
IVe then returned to our office where Captain rritz told me to call the above
people to coma dovm for a lineup, I called ^^'r, Callcavay fiho caiao dovm and brought
Sam Guinyard v/ith hin, We wont directly to the showup room. 75iile \Taiting for
\ tho shoT/up I took an affidavit frota both of tho above nen. At 6:30 pm Oswald
vras brought dov-Ti, whore ho was identified by both Calloway and Guinyard ae tho
ooBiG cipn thoy hnd seen running from the sceno of Officer Tippit's kill ing with
& gun in his hand. He was identified as //2 nan in a l;-aan lineup,
ilr, Callov/ay and Guinyard woro then taken up to the crime lab on tho Iith
' .floor whore Captain Doughty shqwod us a jacket that was found along the route
taken by tho suspect from the sccno of tho Tir<|pit shooting, Thoy identified it
as tho saao one or ono Just like .the one v/orn by the suspect,
I returned to tho i^oaicida Office where -I^ worked until lOO am Saturday
ffioming, I vrant home and returned at 8:00 am Saturday, Kovecibor' 23> 1963,
Curing tho day I did general office work and took two moro affidavits: ono from
R, S, Truly, suparvisor at the Texas School Book Dopository, lill Elm Street and
another employoo of this business, Urs, R. A, Keid, I also took an affidavit from
j T/, >;, Scoggins, a cab driver 1:^0 was near the sceno of the Tipplt shooting and
LEiA.vELLE Exhibit A — Continued
501
J. R. Lcavoilo-Paeo 3
witnosscd aaao. At 2;1^ pa another shc7."up r.'z.z held v.hsro CcoQzLnz identified
^sv;ald as tho sxrM ho caw shoot Crricer Tippit,
Also at thio same shoTwp wac williaa V'ajnc "haley, another cab driver, v/ho
I
drcfvo OavTald fTca the Grejhound Bus dopot to tho 500 SLk, of Worth SDckloy. ilo -.'f
alco identified Oav/ald as the i'^ nan in a ii-3ian lineup. Others in tho linaup
vera :■ 11 John Tnuzroan Hora, #2 David Knapp, j^'3 Oavrald, #li. Daniel Lujoa,
I worked until 9 :00 pa this date and was told to ret\im about 8 130 aa
tho noxt day, JJunday Hovcabor 2li, lp63 by Captain Frits, Ho said v;o vrould
trancTor Oswald about 10 :00 oa*
Leavelle Exhibit A — Continued
502
^
nSPOHT OK CFPXCES'S D-TIHn Vi HFLKPJDS 70 CT.WALD'C DliVTII
J.. R. L 'ATCLLr: - r/736
I arrived Sunday nomins, Hovonber 2h, I963 about 8:00 aa, '•'•o rccoivod
word fron 'Ar, i'orry, .'Security Orficor of tho Ctatlcr-Milton thnt they had a aan
check in r^o onid he reprosentod a raunition ccppany o-t of Callfcrnia, I v.'ont to
thci hotol in coapany with Dot. C. '^K ^hority and iir, C, '.'.•, DroTm, >-Q talked
vfith iiobort v;. ?arkfcr, 51;h i^Jorth Cyproso, ^'rimso, California, \?o satisfied
oursolvoc ho was 0. K, and rctumod to tho offico.
At 0'3O am I was instructed, along with T'ot. L, C, Craves and Dot, C, ;«',
Dhoi'i-iy to ^o up in the jail and get i^o Os-.vald, I -/.-ent to his cell and put tho
handcuff on hia r/itu his hands in front of h±n,
?ro rotumr-d to Captain iritz's ofi'ice •.vhere Captain Fritz, ITr. Sorrolls
and Mr, Thonas i^lly of the Secret Service questioned Ocvald, Also in the rooa
Jv/orq Detectives L, ^, ~ontgoacry, L. C, Graves, ^, N, Bhority and Inspector
Holsioo of tho i'ost Office Dopartnont and aysclf ,
i>hortly after 11:00 aia i^o bocan the transfer. Chief Curry had cone to
Captain Fritz's offico, * had cade a suggostion earlier to double cross tho ;'
procs and take Oswald out on tho first floor via tho ■^ain Street doorp loavinj;
tl'.o press v/aiting in the basement and on Comaorca Street,
Also it was suggested to go out tho Ilain T-trcet rarap and west on iJain Street,
.' Tiioso suggestions wore turned do;vn by Chief Curry v;ho stated that we had batter
r,o ahead v;ith tho transfer as "planned, since ho had given his word on it.
Approximately 11:15 aa we left the third floor office with Os-.vald handcxiffed
to ny left ara with Dot, i>, C. Craves holdin.i to Os^vald'c loft ara, preceded to
tho jail elevator by Captain Fritz, Lt, Snain, Detective ^* D, Wontsooery, "O
reached the bascaent Jail office v/ith officers in front we headed to tho autoaobile
^1 • ■ '
^ Jaap just outside tho jail offico door. V7o hesitated just insido the jail door^
Leavelle Exhibit A — Continued
503
FDoos ta«v. 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
11/2 5/63
Doto
Dotcctivo J, R. LIlAVi;LL."r, , 7703 Rilla Aveirac,
Dall?.s, Toxzis, Kcnicide end F,obbory E-jrocu, J}z.11c.g Police
I^epnrtaent, cdvised r.bout 11:15 a.m., Ilovcni'ccr 24, 1S33,
L3;Z ILini^IY- 037:ALD '.-.•.■as trJ:cn frcn the Eonicicc end r.obbery
Eurceu, i:>r.lln.s Polico Dcpartnont , Iccr.tcd or. tho third
ilooi- of th-" City n-11 DuildiaiT, for the purrrcc^^ o2
tr-.::3ir.crt:.:,:,' ;-,i;r. to the i'.alles County Jail. CZ'.:/:.ZS.j T;as
h.^ndcujlfcd en*/, v/as thcroaxter handcuffed to the left
hr.nd of '.-""■'"ZZj'Z, Lr.:l'~LI'3 stated' th:-.t Detective .j. C,
GaA-"":". had hold of the left ara of 0S',:AI-3. lie .st:-.-;cd
t;-,r.i Cr.ptain .J. Tr. j?.l'.TZ, I-Io;nicide and r.ob'oci'y ivrcavi, and
"-■icatcnant ?.. 3. ST/AIN, E'arglary and Theft L.'.r'- .'a, proceeded'
in front of them, and L. J), :,:CI"TC-0:.:r;ilY , Honicide and ' •■
P-obbcry r-.ireau brought up the rear. All of the above
ncntio:-.-'^. individuals proceeded fron the third floor
by ■ : o__ che jail clovator to the jail office located
in t: : ':;,ccnent of the City Eall Duilding., I'orr.icice
and P.obbery detectives E. E. PP^CK and C. xT. PPOrPT:; had
previously departed for the purpose of getting the
transportation cars into position.
Detective LPAirSLLH and GFJIVHS after arriving '
in the jail office hesitated at the door leading freni the ■
jail office into the outside corridor until they obtained
an all-clear signal from Captain PP.IT3 v/ho had proceeded
into the corridor ahead of them.. LPAvTlLI-^ stated that
thereafter, he and GPjV>'Z3, with OSV/jlLD betv.'cen thcr.-i as
previously described, proceeded from tho jail office into
the corridor loading out into the undir-round parking area.
It T.as noted in the corridor that uniform officers were
lined up alonrj the wall, and that ncvs media •.vere gathered
on the auto ramp to the left and front of LPAVZLLI-l and tho
escorting officers. The car in which C3'.";\1D v;as to be
transported was on the ranp and v.-as backing up to the
position where OSV/ALD could get in. Captain PP.ITZ was
in tho lead and was stop-cd at tho edge of the rarnp
waiting to get into the front scat of the car. C-PA'^/'ES
and LPA''3I-LS stopped momentarily for tho car to back up. .
V.'hcn the buc.per of the car got even with the right side
of LPA'.TLLi;, jag:: P.UBY darted froa the crowd of news
media about six feet av/ay and had. gun in hand. RUBY shot'
03'."AL3 at a distance of approxinatoly fifteen inches av/ay.
of r>-:;n^B, r^x r.r^ File # PL 44-1639
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by Specie! A£cnt JAr.^S XT. P.OO"H077T /wtht, ^^.^ dickered 11/24/63
This documont eontalna nal-.hcr roCxcTRO "da'.lons "<>' '■■-* ,:'■■',■.: - ■ ^ ;.^^ijk...iv :. . - . :t -.■.-.- . . . ■ . ' . - .li ;"„
y..rac,ncy;itonajtocon.cM.c.c6..M_ob,dia,r.bux,dj,u_uEx.No.5088 LEAVELLE, J.R. Deposition_""
n Dallas 3-25-64
Leavelle Exhibit No. 5088
504
2
SL 44-'1639
LEAVELLE stated that whan he saw RUBY dart at
OSY/ALD, he jerked on OSTfALD's handcuff at approximately
the exact time of the shot and pushed RUBY back with his
hand on OSWALD'S left shoulder. LEAVELLE stated that
GRAVES at the same time grabbed RUBY's .hand and took
the gun away from him.
LEAVELLE Exhibit No. 5088 — Continued)
505
FEDERAL EUI^iiAU C:- II-^VESTIGATION
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._ . :.^-v:.y Sheriff'
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th— ha:.acuff>-d to hi
.::hwd 'c'r.j follovjing infor-
,c: on I-Iovonibcr 24;, 1963:
x.t 11 :15 t..-:^., C:.-r:c.in
Office. OSUflf •. ... ^
. . , ; '-lo had hold of OSlvALD's left ar;?. and they prcc^-acd
; .-..i -jhird floor' of tho Djillas PollooBuildir.3 to the _:: -
rrb vi& tho jail olovator. Afoor loaxins the elevator ^
., ...^ :.roco'Cded across the jail office- ar.d v;.e.-.t through the ^--'C
.:L3Z door of the j::-il office. As th-y left the jeil office ^^ ; C J
door thi crov;d of roport&ro had pushed forv.-rd to about six or ^ ^ y
li^v.--. feet from ther;. Hi Sai-J a r.ian vjho he recognized ae soncoriC >^ r V
h: ;•:■.:'•; (.i:.id lator loomed the nian iii.s O'ACIC RUBZ)^ out of the /ivr.. '*
cow. .r of his eyo £.i*.d SJBZ j-ar.\ocd fror.i the cr-or;d and at the ' * ,-
....... line bring a gun up. Rli'BY ap'peered to tel.e tvjo stops
ce-...a^d3 OSWALD ai:d whon he ssj this, ho j^r::._c OS'./ALD back
aus-iid hin to suir; clightly and ?Jj3Y shot OSV/ALD
left 3ide- of his sto".'..'iCh. At the oene tirr.e that ^ -
L:-;.! th3 shot he grabbed KOBZ's left should ir e.':d '<^ -vo ' '^ ■'■
ni.; back cmd down a^id T>ut hinself betv-een RU3Y -nd -v. - >^-
:. V.e .r officers su'^-"'.. Zly.iY ar.d he helped carry ^V' :^ ^
C..C.; i::go the jail office. --:.^ -
He first net RUBY about ' -:.- JIU5Y cv:::ed the
Sear „ A'^ that tiue h., KorY ... ^r^-j. of thz^ Silver ;
:/:- :.-^ ehie plac:., Yj uas :'
: Yiecu_-e hie political b^la
.- .- ,^^. ^.i tr.e .Sliver Spur but this './ae
carried a g'on oti the- street to the best
.-Yeuo six rio:eM:;3 ago ho received an a:::.q::-y^eous call
Y:;^a3 Club which v;a3 o;sed by RuSYj, wae going to
:.jed. Ka ar.d his partner v;c-nt dovni to the Vv^gas
a :ayed about I5 hours. RT3B7 car.e- in ar.d aaked '.;hat
- or; but did r;ot secu c^r&rly co,'.c..r.';'_d. This
^:...".. ' .' " " " " ■ ' •" ■ ■" ■
-Ex.No.5089 LEAVELLE,J.R. Denosixion-
Dallas 3-25-64
12/-:.G/c3 „, Dallas^ gezas p^,^ ^t uaiias H^.-io:i^
ALYOIT S. BM^ELEie: &
- .c:c: Acc.t 5 I-.-gSI?ia ?. LOOANsBL . . jjcto dictotcd 12^1/53
......r.i ccntalns neither rocommondatlons nor concluslono of tho FBI. It iB tho property of tho FBI and U loaned to
..^..^,; it and Ita contonio are not to be dLatrlbuted outcido your agoncy.
Leavelle Exhibit No. 5089
506
DL kh -162)9
o
hi-oackii-:.5 nir/y?--" -.■utcrialized. Ho Ir-ici aean RITBY on the ctrcct
occasionally buu it ;:ac only a ccisual naoting and notal-s of
Irnoortancc \:zs evi^r di-c;:t3:i<id. ROlJY hr-s alv.ays be:on vory
friendly end c>?.3U£.l every tir/to they have net. R'jaY haa invited
hin to his plr:ice for froti dlniicrs but he hac; ncvor accepted.
J-Ie has n-r'v-r \\-orkvjd for RTJEY or does ho knov; of any other
police officer x^'ho has.
Ho estinated th'i.t at th<; tino he arrived in tho
bciSvir.cnt with OSV/ALD there wore about I50 people. In tho bascr-ont^,
this including officers and new;2v;ien . Hs did not rocosnizo
a.,;;;/on5 in the bas^rient other th^n police officers v^ith tho
cxcop::ion of tho before-mentioned facts about RUBY„
Ej und^srstood that tho uniforn division had cleared
tho baso;^;-nt of all uneu'Ghoriaod -oorEonncl boforo thoy
started transferring OSWALD, na did aiilc Captain FRITZ if the
■ car to bo used in transferring OSVJALD would be directly in
front of th3 sr.iail hallway lo;-^.aing f;-ori tho jail office .
Captain FRr:;-Z said it would bo. Ha did not iciow or see any
police officer identify any individual in the basenent as
ho v.-as no^ present when these individuals v;ore aduittsd to
the basa:nont.
Ha- never sav; RuBY botwo-en Kovo::.bor 22 and 24, 1963^
in fc;Ct he believes that th-o last tine he sf.x-i PJJBY was in
October and this Vi?is xchile he wais driving by RUBY'S Car-ousel
Club, and RUBY was Just going in. Ke docs not know of any
association bstvjeen OSWALD and RGBY. Ko wa^. never present
Vihile OSV.-ALD was being int;-:.rvioii'od nor f.-jas h^- prc-sent v;hilc RUBY
•was being interviev."ed by the Dallas Polica officers. He v;as
instructed, on Noveir:bar 25* 1963^. to assist in the transfer of
RUBY to the Dallas County Jail. On their v;'c..y d-own in tho
Jail elevator ho said to RUBY, "JACK, in all the years I've
Ic.ovjn ycu, you'v?;' never deliboxv.tcly caused any police officer
any trouble that I k?iOW of and you didn't do us any favor \;aon
you shot OSWALD. You've really put the pressure c: . us.'' RUBY
replied, "That's the last thing in the vjorld i wanted to do,
I Just vjanted to be a danned hero and all I've done is
foul things up."
Leavelle Exhibit No. 5089 — Continued
507
IIEPC«T ON OFFICER'S D'.Ti::'. I'J REGWinS TO anVALD'C TicXtn
J,. R. L AVP.LLK - f/736
I arrived Sunday momlne, Movomber 2ii, 1^63 about 81OO am. •'•'0 rocolvad
word from ;-r. i'orry, Security orfioor of tho ytatlfii^-Hilton thnt they had a nan
checle in *ho said h« roprosentod a raunition conpany o-t of CallTcrnla, I wont to
tho hotel in company with Dot, C, i«» ■4iority and :^'r, C. ■'■', Drown, e talked
with Kobort V, barker, 51U i'^orth Cypreso, ^rango, CallTomia, V7e oatiafied
ourselves he was 0» K, and rotumod to tho offlco.
At 9«30 am I was inatxnictGd, alonf; with ict. L. C. Craves ard Dot, C, :j,
Kiority to go up in the jail and cot •k;o ^euaXd, I Aent to hie cell and put the
handcuff on him with bis hands in front of him.
TTe returned to Captain iritz's office whore Captain Fritz, Ur, Sorrollo
and Mr, Thomas '^Uy of the Secret Service questioned Oswald. Also in the roca
were Detoctivos L, ^, Montgomery, L. C, Graves, C, li, Dhority and Inspector
Holaoa of tho i'ost Office Dopartraont and a.vself .
i^hortly after lliOO am i^a becan tiM transfer. Chief Currj- had cone to
CapVain Kirltz's office. *■ had made a cut;£;ostion earlier to double cross the
proaa and take Oswald out on the first floor via the -^ain Ctroot door, leaving
ttio press waiting in tho basement and on Ccnii.. rce T.tre t.
Also it was Buggestod to go out tho f^.-iir; ..trcfit rc-Tip and west on iJain Street,
Tl.eso su^ijestions wore turned do^vn by Chiol" Curry v.ho stated that we had bettor
go ahead with tho transfer as planned, since no had given his word on it.
Approximately llil5 am we left tho third floor office with Oswald handcuffed
to ny left arm with Dot, i*, C, Graves holdinr; to Oj-ztaXd'e left ana, preceded to
the Jail elevator by Captain Frttz, Lt, Swain, Detcctivo ^, D, i^ontgoaery, '••e
reached the basonent Jail office with officers in front we hoadod to the autoaobile
rastp just outside the Jail office door, Ve hoeitatod Just inside the Jail door,
Le^avelle Exhibit No. 5090
508
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then was given the all dear sign, Wo walkfd oiit and had Juot reached tho ranp
»phor« the ear «»• w©r« to rids in wae boint? buckoii into position by Uctootivo
Ehority >khen out of the masa of huminity comp sod of all the news media, which
had ourgod forward to within aix or soven feit of us, came th6 figure of a nan
with a Kun in hand. He took two quick steps nnd double actioned a ,38 roVolver
point blank at Oswald, X jerked back on '-'swald, at the aano tirao roaching out and
catching Jack Rrby on the left shoulder, shovlnc back and down on hiw, bringing
a.vself between Ruby and Oswald, I could seo Dot. Gravoa had Ruby's evn hand and
gun in his hands, 1 turned my attention to ^cwald and with the help of ^ot,
Combost we took Oswald back into the jail office and ld.d him down, ^ndcuffs
ware reaoved and the city hall doctor, ^r, "iiebertlorf vrao summoned, Vie also
called 'Ileal anbulonce, Oswald was placed in tho jxnbulance and ruEhed to
Parkland *^spital. In tho ambulance besides the crew was Dr. ^deberdorf.
Cot. L. C, Graves, Det, C. N, i^orlty and myoolf ,
He was rushed to surgery where he expired at li07 pm# November 2li, 1963,
pronounced by Dr, Tom Shires, Judge f'ierce ^k: Bride was summoned, I gave hia
all the information needed to request an autopsy, T^on all necessary reports
wero made, I returned to the oity hall where •£ made tho offense report on l>ee
Harvey Oswald, •
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799 BROADWAY NEW YORK 3. N. Y. ORe«oo 4.8295 •
llay 29, 1963
1;9"'7 L/C "ia^azine Street ' j
":,v.- :t loans ^ Louisiana
L'C?.r 1*^16 nd: ;
Thanlc you for your prompt reply. Enclosed are your uard and receipt, along I
v/ith our thanks and welcome.
Your interest in helping to form an FPCC Chapter in '^'"'ew Orleans is grateiflully
raceived, I shall try to give you some basic information now -so that you may have
a better picture of what this entails.
For one thing, I- an enclosing a copy of our Constitution and By-LaiTs for all
Chapters and Student Councils, You will note that there is considerable autonomy
for an organization our size. Vie try and let all Chapters operate according to the
local requirements. Naturally, there a minimul regulations which must be met,
/ All Chapters can receive literature in bulk at a discounted rate and resell at
the retail price and use the proceeds for further Chapter activities,'^ Credit is
extended and payment is not required vrith the order. We do expect payment within a ,
reasonable period so that we may continue our end of the operation.
It w.Tuld be hard to concieve of a chapter vath as few members as seem to exist
in the \'ew Orleans area, I have just gone through our files and find that Lousiana
seems somewhat restricted for Fair Play activities. However, with vj-hat is there
perhaps you could build a larger group if a fe\T people would undertake the disciplined
rfisponsibility-of concrete organizational work,
Vfe certainly are not at all adverse to a very small Chapter but certainly would
expect that thero would be at least twice the amount needed to conduct a le^al executive
board for the Chapter, Should this be reasonable, we could readily issue a charter for
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Lee (Vincent T.) Exhibit No. 3
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799 BROADWAY NEW YORK 3. N. Y. ORcgon 48295
a "ew -'rlRans Chapter of FPCG. In fact, we vfould be very, very pleased to see this
take place and -would like to do everything possible to assist in bringing it about.
7fe feel that the south-east is a very difficult area to work because of our lack of
contacts. Our only southeastern Chapter right now is that in Tar.ipa, Florida which
I originally organized before coming up to work in the National Office,
I for one am convinced of the possibility of such an enterprise but know from
experience that it is quite a- problem and requires some sacrifice on the j>art of
those involved.
You must realize that you will come under tremendous pressures with any attempt
to do FPCG work in that area and that you vdll not be able to operate in the manner
which is cinventional here in the north-east. Even most of our big city Chapters have
been forced to abandon the idea of operating an office in public. The national office
here in New York is the only one in the country' today and the' Hew York City Chapter
uses our office too so it is the only Chapter with an office. Most Chapters have dis-
covered that it is easier to operate semi-private ly out of a home and maintain a P.O.
Box for all mailings and public notices. ^(A P.O. Box is a must for any Chapter in the
organization to guarnatee the continued contact with the national even if an individiaial
should move or drop out.)) '7e do have a serious and often violent opposition and this
proceedure helps prevent many unnecessary incidents which frighten av/ay prospective
supporters. I definitely would not recommend an office, at least not one that will
be easily identifyable to the lunatic fringe in your community. Certainly, I would not
recommend that you engage in one at the very beginning but wait and see how you can
operate in the community through several public experiences,
Vie vdJLl be able to give you some assistence from here, but not much. It is up
to the local Chapters t o_handle thoir ctto affairs. You^shaou ld have at least access
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799 BROADWAY NEW YORK 3. N. Y. ORegon 4.829>
to a mimeo machine to prepare public material if you are going to operate, A
fc^ood typeivritiE is essential and above all pecple that will carry out the million
and one mechanical functions necessary to make it a going operation,
V Note: when you contact people by mail we recommend that only first class be
used and that no full name go on the return address on the outside of the envelope, J •
You will notice how we work our's here on the national level. Many people will re-
spond better with this type of protection against nutty neighbors and over curious
postmen* These may sound like small things to you, but I can assure you that we havei
gone through thi a thousand and more time the length and breadth of the country and
have learned a great deal over the last three years through some bitter experience.
Naturally, I would like to communicate with you a great deal more concerning
yourself so that we can get to know you and possibly be of some assistence to you
as we get more information,
17e hope to hear from you very soon in this regard and are looking forward to
a good ^TO^king relationship for the future. Please fell free to discuss this matter
quite thoroughly ivith me.
Fraternally,
V. T, Lee,
National iUrector.
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soTM tias ago whan nail was returned to as or that your sabsoripftion has long
sinoe expired*
In anjr evect^ Ifo are enclosing a renewal forn and a oopgr of our oorraai
literature oatalog for 70U to catoh up with* Ve hope to hear from 70a sooa
so that we m^y again have /our naae aaongst those who contAnue to sqpport tbi
•XTorts of our Couaittee*
Fjratemalljr,
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r I I wish to join the Committee. Enclosed is my Initiation Fee of $1.00
and dues are $1.00 a month.
/ / I cannot participate as an active member of the Committee, but wish to
become a subscriber to mailings. Enclosed find $5.00 for one year.
/ / I would like to have a more active part in supporting the cause of FPCC.
Enclosed Is my contribution for ,.
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Lee Oswald, 23, 4907 Magazine,)
Monday was sentenced to pay a|
fine of $10 or serve 10 days in!
jail on a charge of disturbing the'
peace by creating a scene. j
Oswald was arrested by First]
District police at 4:15 p. m. FVi-j
day in the 700 block of Canalj
while he was reportedly distribut-j
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Play for Cuba."
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i.t..-. Dfstwct H.4843^3 AFFIDAVIT
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:a.e of Louisiana, City of New Orleans, Parish of Orleans
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3IUXICIPAL COrRT. SECTION.
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THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS, LA.
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... CR!i2, V-.I, age 18
. -zant -t., Apt* C, UO, La.
i^ersonally appeared before me, the undersigned
Judf-e of the ^'CCOnd Municipal Court of
the City of New Orleans, duly commissioned and
sworn.
Lt. Va, Galliot
Patri, /« "llson
Patn* F* Hayv^ard
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a\in;c been duly sworn, doth depose and say:
:. '•^''^y the ^^
day of
August
1963
at about
^ 700 Blk. Garni St. ^, , ,
M., on Street, between
Streets, within the jurisdiction of this Court, one
;« Osv/ald, Carlos J, Brifrjlor, Colso l-U ilernacdaa atid ^ii£ue^ li,
Cru:: • « 4
and there wilfully violate Ordinance Nw.-^' *"-''■' Section42«»fc2 relative to
•ci. r- the .coaco by Crcat-£.vi a Lcc.ne,,*
,1 peace and dignity of the City of New Orleans.
<i2S ;:cs 42-22
Kioie the deponent charges the accused with violating Ordinance No. Section No.
thoy
and prays that be arrested and dealt with according to law.
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V.T. Lee
Exhibit #6
Sworn to and subscribed before me. this,
day of 19 \
Judge.
Color I Age I Male I Female
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Address of Employer
Time Paroled.
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NOTICE TO PRISONER:— You mu.st appear i:-,__ .lunicinal Court, 501 North Rampart St.,
1:00 P K.ti., AUG, 12th 63 .
M., 19 ^ without fail under penalty of fine and imprisonment.
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Da'iQ
L. J. LEWIS, 7515 Hunia, Pleasant Grove, Texas, advised
he- is presently self-eraoloyed as a wholesale car dealer. LEWIS
advised.. that, on the afternoon of KoveiT.bex'..2 2, 1353, he was on
the used car lot of Johnny Reynolds Used Cars together with
KA7;CLD RUSSELL and PAT PATTERSON, during which time they heard
approxir.ately three or four gun shots coming from .the..,vi.cln.ity
of Tenth. a:~id ..Patt on Avenue, Dallas, Texas. Approximately one
minute later he observed a white male, approximately thirty j/ears
of a'^e, running -south on Patton Avenue, carrying either'-^^'ir "'automatic
pis'col or a revolver in his hands, and while running was either
attempting to reload same or conceal the weapon in his belt line.
Upon' reaching. the. intersection of Patton Avenue and
Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, the individual then proceeded
west on Jefferson, at which- time LEWIS advised he went into the
office of Johnny Reynolds Used Cars and called the Dallas Police
Department to advise them of the fact that the shooting had just
occurred just north of the intersection of Jefferson and Patton
Avanue .
.LEVJIS c'vised PAT PATTERSON and WARREN REYNOLDS attempted
to folic-.-.- -jhe .ind::-vidual, and to the best of his knowledge, HAROLD
RUSSE'' ' had gone in the direction of Tenth and Patton Avenue to
c£-.- -.hat had happened. LEV7IS advised he later was informed
thw .i.s uniform 'police officer had been shot at the inter-
section, of ?. tton and Tenth Street in Dallas, and that in all
probability the individual they had seen- running south, on. Patton
.'.venue with a gun in his possession was the individual responsible
for same .
LEWIS was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New
Orleans PD No. 112723, dated August *3 , 1963, at which time
Kr» LEWIS advised due to the distance from which he observed the
individual he would hesitate to state whether the individual was
identical with OSWALD.
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Lewis (L. J.) Exhibit A
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"Mr. J. E. Curry
Chief of Police
feir:
"November 24^ 19^3
"5ubJeot: Shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald.
"Approximately three to five minutes before the
prisoner was brought r^i^ut, 1 observed, a Channel 5 .
Camera mounted on tripod rajlers come through the doors
in front of the Jail office' tot^^e ramp. I observed
three men pushing the camera, one on each side and one
man crouched down In rear head down'' as If T'^a^hlng the
camera. As the camera cam© down the slope from
entrance to ramp, I grabbed one of the tripods to
steady the camera. As the camera men pushed the camera into
the ramp they turned slightly to the ^l^lght, one .. '
attendant stated 'We can't get out this way', they ■
then pushed the camera Into the crowd of newsmen on *
the East side of the ramp area and disappeared Into
the rear of the crowjil. At this time I heard someone •
In the Jail office door^qij'^te, , 'Here he comes ' . As
I looked towards the Jafl office dopr, I saw Lleutenartt
Swain come oiit. ApproXlraa'&aly ten to fifteen feet
behind Lieutenant Swain, Captain Fritz came out, only *,
six to eight feet behind Captain Fritz, Detective y\
J. R. Leavelle leading Oswald (hand cuffed) by the^rlght >■/' o^
arm. I could riot Identify the detective on 02rwald's (^v'\.\^
right. As both Leavelle, Ozwald and unknown "He te.ctlve •" w \
approached entrance to the basement ramp, I saw ,V"v.' ^.^ V ■
Jack Ruby lunge from the Northeast comer of the . V ^>-\^j Y 1
ramp area. I saw what looked like a blue steel snub -^f^y ,.^ X \ \
nose revolver, ajmos-c simultaneously Ruby fired. * 1'' v \ -r 'OV-.'
Oswald let out a, .long '0-o-o-h'. Several officers jI^a ^' "'" '* ■
Including myself attempted to grab the suspect. The
suspect was then wrestled to the floor by several
officers.
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"I know Jack Ruby and had not seen him In the crowd
or bulldlng|Until I saw him lunge and. fire at Oswald.
"Respectfully submitted,
"/s/ R. L, Lowery
' Detective, IT^lOSl
^ Juvenile Bureau
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■: .£pc.No.5081 LOWERY,R.L. Deposition- V'
; Dallas 3-25-64 /V -/
LowEBY Exhibit No. 5081
535
102 (R.r.3-3-i9). ? EDtlRAL CUREAU 0? IUVE3T IGATiO:;
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F.OY LE3 LO!73nr, 833 ^T. Church. C-rcird Prr-irio,-
To::r.3, tclc?ho;:o AM 2-1437, cnplcyocl S3 ci. detect ivo ,
Juvenile Dv.rcr.'-s, Dallas Police Dcpi-tment, 2.d-<:l3cd on
I'ovoi'.ibei- 2-1, 19S3 , he V/T,s assir;nod to the Seciirit;'' detail
rc,,.\rdinc tr-usfor of L!:;3 ILanVJZ CCV.Y.Li: frc:.: tho i:r.llr.c City
Jjiil to the Sallas County Ja.il. In this rc:-:".rd, Lc v/e.s
stationed durins the pertinent period outside the jr^ii
Oxiice 'et the bottom of the re,r:;p v;hero n. corridor Iceds to
the jeil OaijIco. Ho v/es in position fix'o or ten nii-utcs
before C:5'..'r..LD \:t.s brouc;ht out of the jziil office r.nd I ^^
v.T.lked five or si:: pe.cc3 (n.bout 12 'to 15 foot) v/hen "X^ I
JAC'I I-l'Oir .?,"J'f,Y lunged frc.r. the opposite side of the rziup', ■' ' ' ^ ; ■".■
from the ::.:rea of reporters, toward CSV.'ALD. Il'JZ'I shot' • •■ .;* .>
point-'blr.r.h r.t CS'/Aic's stomach as he' ran. _LC '..":: ?." stated
ho tnd*;ce;T,rai:J3thers gta'Dbed? RU3Y. ■.■,..,■■..•;.■■ -'.7~ r>
LO'VZP.Y stated that upon bDinj r.ssif;r.ed to the
Security retail, he had received his. ins ti-uc tier.;-. iro;a
Captain 0, A. JOITT'S, Forcory Bureau. Eaid i~:t:.-uetions
related to vhcro he vras to stand and the fact that the
area vas to be kept open and no ono was to bo let into the
S.X03. except, of ficcrs- and press representatives.
LCVrrr^T advised that he understood that prior to
receiving his instructions, ■,•';■ !: the area had been secured.
L0V.TX:Y related further v/ith regard to his e::act pcs-ition
at the tiv.ie of the shcotins, he v;as on the r;.::ht of Uctectivc
J. R. LrAVr.J-^Li; who had just coae even vith him.
LOirzr^l stated that Chief LUll'l'IZI and Chief CHLZlLZ^
E/^Ivf^LOIl T.'ore in the area' at tho tirtc of the shoot in^.
LO";7n2.Y stated that he recalled the Channel 5 Tele-
vision cacora -.,'';.•. T.-as rolled down the coiTidcr zc tho raiap
area just prior to the arrival of CCUAI-D in tho area. Ho
stated that ho, too, was under the inpression that there rcre
three F,en pushing this caraera and all had their heads dcwn.
He stated as it passed hia at tho entrance of t:.c corridor
at the rar^p, it was pushed across the ramp d:. - . : c-..: l:o :' -j
ramp going to tho basomeat parking area and ^j-. ;;.: Jc-.-„r: .:.
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Dallas 3-25-64
on 11/24/63 „> Dallas . Texas , Pi,, - T^h 44-1G39
by Special Asent JAII^IS Y/. ECOXnGTri* /wvm Octo ^-.^-^-^ 11/2 5/SS
This doeunoni contain* nslthcr r. J§p? wndollonB nor concluolonn o( !h« FBI. It ts ^'-"O opotty of the FBI and to loaned lo
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feet behind the line of newsmen. and reporters. He stated
this camera was never put Into operation, the cable was
never connected, and the arJ^SAjr? cap was never taken off,
LOWERY stated that following the shooting, the action^
of the two cameramen who pushed the camera from the area
vi&B brought to the attention of Lieutenant R. E. SWAIN, JR.,
and they were taken to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau for
questioning* LOWERT advised lie was of the opinion JACK LEON
RUBY probably entered pertinent area under the pretext of being
with the above mentioned Channel 5 Television newsmen.
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LowERY Exhibit No. 5082 — Continued
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Juvonllc ;iurea>:; , •■'■'■■ ■ .' •■.ic,-:
info;rr:.id of lAtei-vifc-ivjg Agiat.;: : ^^-.
lioc have to vdik to ^.ii.rn;;..> ; vb^- oi..;
used cgainst iviia ijci a co-.tirt of Ij-Vv. ...^
to consul c an attornay •. LOU£R^ related tr
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Dillec , wc-S
CS.Z.Z r.e did
3 aid ccuid be
la followins:
On Kovc=Tubor 24, 1^63, Chief STEVEKSON, Head
of die Criminal, iftLeiligeiice Divisioii, cams in the
Juvenile Burea.Ji at about 8:30 I-ii'l and told everyone precer.t
to standby frcm 9t00 AM. At about 11:10 AM, Captair^ TRAMIC
MA.RTIK, Kead of the Jcvenile w.ireatij, ordered all_ officers
in the Juvenile Biireaw to tl:3 bascj?.:2nt. They ell v/ent
do'-m to the baseHienl; „ The contingent frcsi the Juvenile
Bureau consisted of Capt=-?i-n Fu\Rj'£W; Lieutenant GEORGE WoTL
Detective W, J. CUVCs^Sl-J^i'-/; V^euective L. D. MILLER; Detective
CKxLES GCOLSBV: Pattolms^ U, Jo H^^KRISONj and hi::iG3lf , LCU
As jhey passed dovcn the corridor near the entrar.ce to the
jail office in the baseKeiit^ they i-.'ere checlced throush by
Patrolman NCLSON. After, stariding there for .a fe-.-; tncr.ient3j
Cciptain JONES called evejiyor.e to attention and stated he
v/anted the press to stand back in an area near the baca of
the exit rarap neat the jail door. This area V7£S a parl-a.-.^^
space enclosed iwithit! a lo-fj rfiilivig and could be Ciccribed
as an e?':tension of the corridor leading by the jail office
door. Captain JOM!-'S char; told the officers that he '.--anted
thei-n to line both sides f;f the halli'.?ay and rar.p and to hold
the press back,, He, IDUnBY , stationed hiraseif at the inccr-
section of the hall to the jail office and the.Cc:7_-.:erce
Street exit raiPtp, or the soathv;est corner. He observed a
largo arrriored t-':'i:ck vhich had bean backed part way dcvjn
the ConTTtiercc Street o>:it raiTip and sa's7 Lieutenant GEORGE
E:7-T.'iL"R through the. cpen doors of the truck cleaning it cut.
There v.ere six or eight officers, both unifor^i and plain-
clothes n'«2;n standing atound the truck.
He reraeffibered that Detective COMBEST V7as standing
iiKr.ediateiy to his,, LOyf.KY's,, left, and Detective B. L.
BEATY v;£s n<^.<c U: COHBESV, Patrolinan VJ. J. HARRISON v/as
standing diagonally across the corridor frcm LOUERY in the
other line of police officers on the opposite side. ~'
would have been at the nor the c- s & cor .ler of vhare the
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Ball as Texas
LOWERy,R.L. Deposition-
Dallas 3-25-64
rilo ,Y — —
by Special A;nnto, AT.T.VM ^v ^JMt-.U .V TOM F C"^^'\PnTON Doto dictafod ^'>/'> fr--i.
ThU documool ccnialna nolthcr lacommendatlons nor concluslono of (h« FBI. It Is the prop«rty o( th« FBI and is ioan«d to
your ac;onoy; It and II* contaotB at« not to ba distributed outside your agency.
LowERY Exhibit No. 5083
538
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corridor to the jail office intersect.
He estimated that there were betc7een sixty and
seventy-five Dallas. Police Officers in the basement of
City Hall and that there t'7ere approximately forty to fifty
nexv7spaper people, television people and radio people present.
Captain JONES had stated that only police officers
and authorized people from the press were to be allowed in
the basement. Every one of the police officers v7ho were
not personally Icnoim were Co identify themselves and the
people from the newspapers , radio and televieion were to
identify themselves with their press cards. Some of these
individuals vyore their press cards attached to their lapels
and others did so by holding them out in their hands. He,
LGWERY , had no personal knov/ledge of any unauthorized persons
being allowed in the basement.
Some three to five minutes before the shooting
of OSUi'iD, he observed a television Ccimera crew pushing a
large television caraera, mounted on a tripod and dolly, frca
TV Station IJPAB, Channel 5, Fort Worth, ccma dc^rTn the corri-
dor past the door to the jail office and, V7hen diey saw the
steep ramp and the armored car parked at the exit, one of
the crew said they couldn't get up that X'yay. They then
pushed the camera through a crowd of nev7smen on the east
side of the ramp area and he did not see exactly vjhere they
V7ent to in the basement;, but presumed it vjas somewhere in
the garage parking area. ' He did not see these individuals
identify themselves in any v.iay ^ and one of the men V7a3
pushing on the leg of the tripod on the left side and had
his head very low and in such a position that he could not
see his face; the man on the right side was also pushing
with his head down, and a t^ixrd individual was somewhere
behind the camera with his/<^own bet^^/een his arms. He did
not pay too much attention to this camera crew, but is
under the impression there were three individuals pushing
the camera.
Also shortly before the shooting, a marlosd police-
car left the basement and v/ent up the wrong direction on
the Main Street ranp. This police car had its red light j\
ff
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LowEBY Exhibit No. 5083 — Continued
539
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flashing and thera were tnjo or three officers in the car.
He did not renesber or could not say positively who these
officers vjere. He could not remeru:ber the sequence of
events at this point, in that he could not recall whether
he sav7 the television caraera before the police car left or
vice versa. In any event, shortly afterx-zards scjiecne
shouted, "Here he comes," and LOIJERY loolced tcuards the
jail office door and sacj Lieutenant SlIAIN emerge. An
iiiGtant later, Captain FI^ITZ carie cut and he was follcjed
by Detective J. R. LEAVELLE with 031JALD. LEAVELLE was
handcuffed by his left arm to OSlJALD's right arm. These
handcuffs were designed vjith three cuffs, ti;o of the cuffs
were on OSWALD'S vjrist and one was on l.ZJ^VZL'L'E'' q xrrist.
Another plain-clothes officer was holding OSU \LD by the
left ara. He did not remeaber who this officer was. As
CSVJALD came through the jail office door, the whole line
of navsz::'^n and television people seeraed to cone f onward a
stet). There were numerous flash bulbs popping and newsnen
yelling at OSVIALD. Juot as OSU/iD end LE>.V»^LLE v;ere passing
by LOUErvY, al3©Bt a foot or so away, a man lunged f orchard
with a gun in his right hand, stuck the gun m OSWALD'S chest,
and fired from a distance of about tijelve inches. Re saw
the flash of fire from the pistol. The nan only took one
step and thrust the gun forvjard at the same time and fired
the shot, practically in one motion. He V7ent dov;n before
he could fire another with several others on top of him.
I-:e did not laiow vi^ho this individual was until his Iinti fell
off in the melee and then saw it was JACK RUBY , whom he has
loiovTn for several years. RUBY v-as disarmed and carried
inside tiie jail office, RUBY caitie from the group of newsnien
diagonally across from LOWERY, from the northeast. As the
man lunged toward GSU/iLD, he yelled something X-;ith the
expletive, "Son-of-»a-Bitch' in it. It could have been,
"You dirty Son-of°a-Bitch."
After the shooting, there was considerable con-
fusion and he immediate y thought of the television crew
who had gone through a fev» moments before and he went over
in the area where he had la&t seen them. Detective CUTCHSEAU
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LowERT Exhibit No. 5083 — Continued
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apparently bad the sa^ie t'ac-oght, because CU'i.'CHSI-L.U also
VJent over where they had been and they tallciea to the
television crew, and both of thei-^i stated there were only
ti-70 men pushing the carnera. He said he, LOUKRY , could
not be positive there v;ere three, but thought there were
three and CUTCESHAW also thought there v;ere three men.
One of the tv^/o television crew said that they didn't
Icncu anything about a third man. Lieutenant SUAIN vjas
nearby and LOIJERY told him about the television crew and
SUAIN instructed him to hold them and get r.iore details.
The tV70 men with the cssiera, which LOWERY described as*
a long-range camera, then wanted to go to the third floor
and LG'JERY went v;ith them and stayed with them for about
an hour and a half. He reported this to Lieutenant BAICER
and was instructed to get the names, addresses and phone
nu?abers of these t\;o television cre^Tmen, which he did,
and gave this to Lieutenant BAKER subsequently. He recalled
tnat one of these television people \j&3 JOHN ALEXAKDER, who
was v/earing a blue-loold.ng topcoat, and the other was a thin
boy, w.io was vjearing a light shirt. He thought it strange
that the television crevy said there v/ere only ti-70 when both
ha and CUTCHSi-IAW v^ere under the impression that three men
were pushing the camera, and he thought it possible that '■"■
either RUBY or seme other person could have gotten into *'•
the area with this dasa. He said he did not pay enough
attention to the three to tJefinitely state that one of'^thea
was RUBY.
Detective LOWtiRY further stated that prior to
the Lhooting there were three plain, urjaarked police cars
l2.ned up just off the ramp leading to Commerce Street behind
tne armored truck. One car had made the turn from the
garage up^ the south ramp and the nose of the second car was
just on the ramp and the third c£ll?; was just behind the
second car. AIL of these cars had drivers. lie remembers
tnat all three of the drivers were detectives from the
Kcmicide Bureau and stated that, if his memory served him
right, the driver of the first was Detective BECK and the
second driver was Detective DHO;<ITY. He did not remember
the driver of the third car.
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Detective LOUERY has >>nov7n JACK RUBY for seven
or eight years , having met hiia in connection irL'ch his police
v7ork. LOWERY has been assigned to the Juvenile Bureau for
&70 years and last saw RUBY about one year previously prior
to the shooting of OSWALD.
LOWERY has never been eraployed by RUBY in any
capacity, either full tine or part time, and did not kncr.?
if any Dallas Police Officers had ever been employed by hira
in :.ay capacity. He stated he did not believe any had because
of a police regulation to the effect that no Dallas Police
Officer could be employed in any establishment that sold
alcoholic beverages.
Re did not see RUBY tallcLng to anyone and did
not see or talk to RUBY at any time between November 22 and
24, 1963. Ee said he had absolutely no information as to
any association or relationship between RUBY and OSWALD.
LowEBY Exhibit No. 5083 — Continued
542
MAIN ST.
LowERY Exhibit No. 5084
543
Deoenli«r 1, 1965
:.r. J. ■.♦ Gurr/
Chiof of Irolioe
Bet Intftrviow of i'. L. Lovory
Concvjmin^ :;ho>tln/; of I-oo Ilarvcy Oewald
in
h, L, Lovar; vas Intoi^lovcfl by 1 leutorit-iJ.ta C. C« allaca ■■■u(i 1'. C.
^'cC;^<: r»-!n at 9»00 am on Kovomber ?9» 1965» '' "' Irterviov v.^a csssn-
tially tr.e aa o : i: ii; orii^inal rcfort ated iovotber 27» VjCj>» . . ,.
Lovcry h; d thie to a '.di
I \oulii li.'-.a to civo in noro d^^il a rer-ort of tto ohootiji-": ^f l.ee
2'arvov Ocv.ild.
v-n .ur.i]a,v, Sovor.bor 2^, l9(J5i apf.roxi:) ■.^l;-' 9«00 am, CJ->icf "-?.?-
C'cne to tS.o Juvcrils Bu-eau and toln hH luruau ; Toonnci
i'. - • roxiir.-.taly lliG5 r>.n, "lovoEbor .-'f, Ca:'tatr4 .'arzijr. feci cor.-j
with hi;-., ..t th-.t tiao, thooe frijs^-nt '.-.oret C. 3colnl)„ > . .. •.;;iiteh£:>.GW,
". J. ilsrriKon, L. J. Jlillci, and C';,-solf, v-a want vit^-, •Ja.jtxir 'i.^rtir.
to tr^ olevstor and vent to the bat^vjisent.
.-i- vt» approached tho inf'Oi":>:ition ci- rny of.ic -.
rintle8<i ' atroiaan T.'cl£if..n ^na h*> askod for idcr.ti.flc .ii:.n 1'; v;::. . , •._<,
Thoro voro otbor ofrico o tf.aro in -riiforR;, yoisi^ibly r^^ccrv?c 1
ccn't r^cill tie nanoo of &ny ot^c ' ;c--rs tbsr© at i
jail cffio. Ca- t.' in Jrnoi; r.et ■ :" point 2.rr. '
by '.'or i'lxrt.iT instructiono. Ca.ti.ii; ^ o:ioo vent cut z . c . o
oors into ranp ontranco and Captain J artin follo'~Gd hi. .
-* fev :ir.ut3a Lator Ga- tain Jon'^c rotvirr.c.
at ontion. I'o than told ol iicGrs to tGl;<
of the- corridor, ^^Iso aoviood bot.:^ o' "icors
f aition in tho rtinp aroa* ^o ea£;ca into ra i r i
; osition at tho &' oarnor of tho corridor >-nd ih p uiivo way.
At t -.3 tl:::© tovoral oth.^r of ricare took tholr poaitions on both oiuco
of corridor frou jail of ice (ioar to ra p aroa.
I boliova Cartain JonoB ro;aatcd 'lii' inotruotiona to i3V'M.4n0, that
ho vo'..l'i like offioare to fon lino nn both oiJoe of corridor, unA .ilao
inGtr-.JCtln." news ;:orEonoll vhoro th»»y cho'ilo Vo» Ko toll neve pooplo
to .-^ot on oaat of rrunp drive, .""roa ny ronitlnni bocaiie of tho strong
li,'-hta 3Qt up for tho TV oanera, I could not clo&rly oag tho poi itioa
of all tho other offlooro* Dotootivo Coabost vas on ny i'.n.odiute loft*
(pfc
LowEEY Exhibit No. 5085
544
.If tor taVin-; ny pos 2 tloitt I lo >l:t>ci t> a:y loft ijn<i aav lU'C u.-innwl 5
TV C'l.-.cira, Kountod en tri,otl vit5. rollors, it; nppoarfld that tKoro \/ero
t^r<io on puj-liin- tlio CM'.ora. uno wao l'\tnr iilor.tlfio.1 as John Alexander,
*/'''/59» I coulil not a«o tho> fncoa of t:«nc throi* -on boccu^a i)\')y vera
8t~or'>">d ovor vith hnf\(;a .Iovhi.t.b tV-:>y r.>llod punt ao, i5ovn u ftli Lt ' >-
clino, tho O.I. ora nctod ao If it u.artod to tip ovor, ::.'.iC I ntoaiiod
tho c:i.-.era viti. ny loft hand* Tho.. utoi-pod at tLo liotto:; of t).:- po <;i
ra.;r nnd I huarJ ona of I !.(> acn oay " o Cin't i^'t u? horo." Truy t en
tiovovl ti rouj-jh tho lino of nov/o-.d't n tha oast «i io of tho ranp,
7vo or tl.roo cinutos lator, 1 hour.', eor.oono inal-lo Jail offica t.-y, iora
he co.T.oo," I loohort to ny loft, t'^v.ii'.'. tl o JkH r-f ico -o.).-, end o'b-
aorvod Lt« ;:valn tippoar throu .1". J; 11 o^ ice oor. .'..(. .^ ^ roxis-rwtuly
1\ to 12 foot btihin.! Lt« --vain, C . t -in rita a '.uaio, .' .:. n-pvoxi'-
tuitoly 5 ^t» bohind Captain t'rltr.. .' ob.-orvod otoc.lvo • o.v.'llo,
vit;. v'ewald handcuffed to l-oavollo c l-ait a.' » . also Jiotic.;c! a d it ^c-
tiv9 on Oswald's loft holdicg Oevrald's nrr., but didn't i-otico v! o tho
v^::toot:iv:J was at that tlao.
As I.oavclle and hia partner alon,; wit!, '-'owald, aproi- ■■ -v- - -" t; c
Jail oi/ico nor, t( o proK.:- < ort;C!j;rtil In- ;...: to cr."- '; i: : v. -
pic^tji-co a:"ia arkinc (j-ioetiun8» Vlld ;. :. l- net the .. ^ .. ' cLc.
Aii c-i. tain Frits j:.'\s1i noj L.r.d e,s Loavclle, '..iG pr.rt.icr, ;:.d Oswald
aprroachoJ say position, I nav a .• -.: 1 r o fror. th..-. cmv^: ■ { novor-cn,
or:o-it'J ~i' poeition. >»8 t>:ii- li:n. ' .n.ard (.'X^.c: aing "i.is ri^rh': r:m,
on.', firiritf ali oat sinultanc^oualy.
Ca'-cld fvll tivck a etcy and Loav.illo, laid ••.•ov.-.l.T dov;i on t) o floor.
At Vha Ba- >> instant tho el.ot veo firjd, zovvzrr.l oTicoro, I know
Cutohs^av :ind Karrioon, ouhdusd tr.e nan vho firad t'o rhot, r.nd took
t:.3 ly — frou hi:a.
I rccocniaad tha r,an that Titai tYf> ah.ri; as Jack .^hy, I had not
liotlcod Jack Aiib- bofoi'c ho fired to chos, I do know J.s,ck . uby by
eight a.T.. h.'.vc nevor sosn hi;; in tls City ^'all,
I acaistcd Gcvciral .thar ofricora t i".:o J.ack ^iib ■ in'-.o Jail ofiico,
yl.ore ha w.i:; tjorirchod. I did not help taka hla upstaira, b.it ro.-ai:aod
as aficvirity at tho jail oi'fico door.
1 hava talkad to Faderal Bureau of Investigation Agent Sookont in
fo^^arda to this inoidont*
liespeotfully subnl,ttod,
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?, G. .iioCatjTiron, Lientencnt
Bui-glary & Theft Bureau
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C* C* V'allnoo, Lioutenant
Juvenile Bureau
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Exh. 1 - John G. l.toCULLOUC-H
McCuLLOUGH Exhibit No. 1
546
FD-aoa (R«». i.2»^0) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
12/1/63
Dot*
JOHN Q. MC CULLOUGH, Philadelphia Bulletin newspaper
reporter, home address 6345 Woodbine Street, Philadelphia, Pa.,
advised he was in Dallas, Texas, covering,. the story of the
assassination of the President, JOHN P. KENNEDY, from 7:15 p.m.,
Friday, November 22, I963, until approximately 7 p.m., Wednesday,
November 27, I963. He said that at all times he was at the
Dallas Municipal Building where Dallas, Texas, Police Depart-
ment is located and in the vicinity of the rooms used by the
police department, that he had to use his press card for
Identification .
He said that on November 24, I963, he went to Dallas,
Texap, Police Department headquarters located on the third
floo. of the Municipal Building and arrived there around ten
o'clock. He had to show his credentials to gain entrance.
Chief of Police CURRY, Dallas, Texas, Police Depart-
ment, was talking to a number of reporters regarding the
transfer of LEE HARVEY OSWALD from the police department to
county authorities. Among the things CURRY mentioned, was
that the police department, during Friday night and early
Satxirday morning, had received several anonymous telephone
calls threatening action against OSWALD for having allegedly
shot the President. One caller said that they did not want
to hurt any police officers, but they would get the S©Q.B.
OSWALD.
MC CULLOUGH went to the basement where OSWALD would
be leaving the building about 10:30 a.m. He again had to show
his credentials when he got off of the elevator. From the
elevator he went to the basement garage area, where a vehicle
would take OSWALD to the county authorities. He again had to
12/1/63 Philadelphia, Pa. ^. „PH 44-767
On at File ff
by
C'RS^
SAs JOHN R. WINEBERG &
STANLEY S. CZARNECKI / era Dot. dictoud 12/1/63
This documant contains nalthar recommandatlona nor concluaiona of tha FBI. It ta Iha proparty of tha TBI and la loaned to
your oqancy; \\ and Ita contanta ora not to ba dlatrlbutad outalda your aqancy.
McCuLLOUGH Exhibit No. 2
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Show his cx^dentials when he came Into this Immediate area.
He also said he noticed the police checking police cars In
this underbround parking area, to see that no one was In the
automobiles, and that they were also taking shotguns out of
the patrol cars, which are normally kept In them.
An xmknown Dallas, Texas, Police Department sergeant
was heaz»d by MC CULLOUQH to say these guns had been placed In
the police department property room. MC. CULLOUQH estimated
that there were probably fifty police officers In uniform In
the basement area, some armed with 12 -gauge shotguns.
He said that a crowd of approximately 100 people were
gathered outside the entrance to the basement, where the armored
tinick would leave the building, when It transported OSWALD away.
Shortly after HC CULLOUQH got to the basement, these onlookers
were made to go to the other side of the street by the police.
The crowd was a well-ordered group, according to MC CULLOUQH,
An unknown police officer told MC CULLOUQH that the
armored truck that was being used to transport OSWALD was to
keep OSWALD from being shot with a high-powered rifle which
could have been used to better advantage If he were being
transported In a police sedan or van. MC CULLOUQH said the
clearance for the truck was Insufficient to allow it to get
completely Into the building, because of heating ducts pro-
truding from the celling. MC CULLOUQH said he and several
other reporters attempted to walk over to the truck to examine
the Inside but were prevented from doing so by a police officer.
A captain of the Dallas, Texas, police department,
whose name MC CULLOUQH did not know, briefed the press on the
procedure that wouJLd- be followed at the time OSWALD was being
taken throxigh the basement to the armored truck. They were
toldi'they could stand along the line of the passageway which
OSWALD would take going from the "booking room" and across the
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basement to the truck. When notice was given that OSWALD was
in the basement, the press waa not to follow after him, trying
to question him or step out in the way of the group. OSWALD
was to be brought down from the fourth floor cellblock of the
building on a special elevator that carries the prisoners
between the fourth floor and the "booking room" in the base-
ment. MC CULLOUGH estimated that it was approxlmriately fifty
feet from this elevator to the spot where the truck wa.s
located. He said that this briefing took place at approxi-
mately 11 a.m.
He said there was a police car unmarked, parked
right behind the truck, and shortly after a green police car
was parked behind that car. They had both come from the parking
area in the garage.
The area of the corridor that OSWALD was to T-^-alk
through was well lighted as a result of the need for light
for television cameras. At lis 20 a.m.. Captain J. W, FRITZ,
Dallas, Texas, Police Department, came from the booking room
a few feet ahead of OSWALD and the two officers guarding him,
and surveyed the area as he walked. MC CtJLLOUGH said at tliat
time he was standing on a railing approximately fifteen fe^t
away from the passageway where OSWALD would pa 3^. At the time
OSWALD came out of the booking rc-jffl on his wa^/ to the arKir,T=ed
truck, the, area from which RUBY" -.ame was cori^ested with tele-
vision cameras, reporters and ptlioe. However, MC CITLLOUGH
noted the movement of an individual, who later was identified
as JACK RUBjT^ moving toward OSWALD as he vra],ked dovm the
passageway between reporters and police officers. MC CTJLLOIJC-H
estimated tl-^at by the time RL^BT got to OSWALD, he only had to
go five to ten feet to put the gim in OSWALD'S stomach. MC
CULLOUGH did not see miBI^s right hand until he shoved it into
OSWALD'S stomach. At no time did MC CULLOUGH see RUBZ's face.
MC CULLOUGH said that immediately after the shooting.
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McCuLLOUGH Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
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he heard someone say JACK, you ri— o~ a b . Shortly after
the shooting. Detective COMBiAST told MC CULLOUGH that It was
he who said this when he recogrr.i^ed liE&'^T,
Later that evening, MC CULI.OUGH went hack to his
hotel and saw pictures of RUBY on television. Ke then recalled
that on Friday night, Ncverober 22, I963, when he had first got
to Dallas, Texas, he was at the third floor of the Municipal
Building outside of the police headquarters. At some time
around midnight, he stood on a cigarette ash stand to get a
better view of the area. As he wa.s getting down from the
stand, he bumped a roan rather abruptly with his elbow. Ke
turned to apologize to the man and noted that this ma.n was
carrying a blue and white box with "Alliaaimarl-' stamped on it.'
This box was about eight inches by five inches and approxi-
mately three inches deep. After MC CDI-LOUGH had seen RUlTT's
picture on .television, he was certain that this was the
individual he had bumped on Friday. He said this individ^Jial
was wearing at that tim^e a blue top coat and gray pork pie ha.t
which was wool, rather than felt. This was a different hat
than RUBY had at the time he shot OSWALD.
Approximately one h«ur latPi-p that night, whi<^h >^-%n
proba' ly early Saturday morning, N:ivember 23, I963, the TXalla-'^?,
Texas, police department had a preE?3 conference at whir-h OSWALD
was allowed to be photographed and pom.e questions asked by the
press. The conference was held in the "line-up ro:m" of the
Dallas, Texas, police department and la^^ted approximately ten
to fifteen minutes. KG CHLI^OlvaH estimated that there wer- at
least 100 pe^le present. He did net see RSJBT then, but aftf-r
WJWf shot OSWALD, Justice of the Feace DAVID L. JOflNSTON. wYi^^
handled OSWALD'S arraignment, told MC CIILLOUllH ^f%€^ OSWALD'S
death, that immediately after this conference, RUFY came ;ip t's
JOiiNSTON, introduced himself and gave JOItMSTON a busj.ness .--ard
advertising the "Carousel Club" night spot which RTJTBY ownel.
MC CULLOTOH said JOHNSTON told him that the dress of KUBI was .
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the ssune as MC CTJLLOIKJH had noted approximately an hour earlier.
MC CUIaLOUGH said that on Sunday, November 24, I963,
following the shooting of OSWALD, several reporters, whose
Identities -hJa:* did not know, mentioned that on P'riday night and
early Saturday morning, RUBY had passed out these same busi-
ness cards with advertising on thera concerning the "Carousel"
night club. They were gray cards with red printing. The
reporters had gotten the cards from RUEY in the Municipal
Building around the police department,
MC CULLOUGH, who said he had traveled on campaign
trips with former President KENNEDY and also on presidential
trips with fonner president EISENHOVfER, said that in his
opinion the security maintained by the Dallas, Texas, police
department during the weekend of the Pi'esident's assassination
was good, considering the tremendous number of press and tele-
vision people which were there, and also the great amount of
coverage given the story through radio and television. He said
he recalls of no instance of any unauthorized individual being
around the police department, with the exception of Friday night
when he accidentally bumped into JACK RUBY.
I
MC CULLOUGH said he had no information that anyone
had conspired with RUBY to kill OSWALD, or that there had bean
any indication that any police officer had wilfu.lly allowed
the shooting of OSWALD.
MC CULLOUGH also advised that he had no infoi'mation
regarding any relationship between RUBY and OSWALD prior to
the time of the killing of OSWALD.
CfR^r
McCuLLOuGH Exhibit No. 2 — Ck)ntinued
5-51
rD-302 (R.». 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1 Date November 29, 196-3
DAKNY PATRICK McCI.T(DY, on being contacted In Abilene,
Te;xas, furnished the following information:
His residence is 1424 Plowman Street, Dallas, Texas,
telephone number- WHltehall 6-1590o He is empl<>jod as a
disc Jokey at KLl^ radio station, 2104 Jackson Street, Dallas.
M-CURDY advised there are four telephone lines leading Into
r-.^ radio statbn at night. One, Riverside 7-6000, called the
contest line. It is well known to the public although not
listed „ Number two and three lines. Riverside 7-9039 and
Riverside 7-9030, are known as hot lines and known only to
stallion personnel and newsiffl;?t), In the area^ Number four.
Riverside 7-9319 is known as' "Jock line" and known to the
disc jQkeys and all personnel of the station relative of
station employees and a few select frX.Aulis, of station, employees,
McCURDY advised when a call comes in over Riverside
7-93I9, there is a large white light flaw-jnes over the console
or i^ftatrol board, this being in the disc^Jokeys room.
He adl^ised that on the morning of November 23, 1963
at about 1: 00 Ay;';^,thls Jock line rang and McCURDY answered.
lipe caller said, "Are you RUSS", believed to have reference
to RUSSELL MQSJffi (RUSS KNIGHT'), another disc Jokey who works
from 7:00 P.M. to 12:00 midnight. McCURDY advised he
Informed the caller of his identity and the caller identified
himself saying, "This is JACK RUBY and I have some sandwiches
and drinks for the guys at the station". McCURDY stated he
told RUBY to wait at the front door at the foot of the stairs
which is kept locked,, McCURDY advised that some 15 or 20
minutes later, he ran down stairs and opened the front door
and RUBt was waiting with sandwiches and drinks. He advised
RUBY accompanied him upstairs to the control room and news>
room. He advised the sandwiches and drinks were taken into
the news room which adjoins the disc Jokey room or Control
room, operated by McO\X5v''^^^ij
McCURDY advised the fol^^wing individuals were on
duty or present in the ijtsws room at the time RUBY was there:
GLEN DUNCAN, Night Newsman;
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by Sp.ciol Ag.nt COLEr/IAN MABRAY/jn / f/ ^' Oat. dictofd 11/29/63
Date dictated
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your agency; It and It* contants or* not to b« dUtrtbutad oulaldo your agency.
McCuRDY Exhibit No. 1
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RUSSELL MOORE (RUSS KN.tGH^), disc Jokey, who works the
7:00 PoM. to midnight shl|;t and had_iua.t gone ofX-diity;
First Name Unknown PAPPAS, newsman for WNEW, Radio,
New York City, New York.
McCURDY advised he talked to RUBY less than five
minutes during which time RUBY expressed hoi^'tsorry he was
that the President got killed and said ''I'm going to close
up until Monday because of all thi3"„ McCURDY advised
RUBY stated "I had rather lose $12,000 to $15,000 than-^~"«=^-' ---
not be able to live mIUt myself later on",
McCURjIY advised that this ended his conversation
with RUBY, that he re-entered the disc jokey room„ McCURDY
advised that RUBY seemed to be slightly upset and stood look-
ing at the floor, however, did not seem to be extremely
emotionalo He advised RUBY was dressed in a business suit
and wearing a hato He noted nothing unu$ual about his body
that Would indicate he was wearing a gun and he saw no gun.
McCURDY advised RUBY visited and talked with the
other individuals in the news room but he has no idea as
to their conversation. He adViaed RUBY was at the station
j for about ope or one and one-half hours. McCURDY believed
I that RUBY'S express purpose was to t)ring them something to
i eat. He advised, hovjever, RUBY has never, to his knowledge,
i been at the station before nor since. He advised he had
met RUBY one time before, some weeks ago at RUBY'S club.
So far as McCURDY known, RUBY is not a personal friend of
anyone at the station.
McCURDY advised he had no idea how RUBY obtained
the telephone number at the station as rione of the above
mentioned numbers are listed in the telephone directory.
He advised that the listed or public telephone number of
the station is Riverside 7-9311.
McCuRDT Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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K3 is employed ss a Dotec^/ " i349ji by the
Dallas, Texas, Police Dupartra&nt, a; ^d to the Auto
Thiift Bureau, Criminal InvestigaticLi -:^.^.;_^-. ^:A has vjorkcd
in this capacity approximately 7 years.
Or. November 24, 1963„ ' ' :00 a.m. to
3;00 p.m. shift.0 About 10s 00 a SKA, HI advised
all detectives in the Auto Thsf t Eui „_,u co _ , About
11:10 a. a.. Lieutenant SI-IART instructed all z in that
siiction to proceed to the basement of the cil^' i^-j-l telling
thca that they were planning to move OSVJALD to the coimty
jailo
After arriving in the bascrcr
Lt, SIL'.RI' advise-d the dctectivts th
forri two lanes on cither sido of th- -
office door. Kc^KKLLON stated hs too;: ;;
north v«ail Just outside the Jail door.
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not toow if the Captain was talkiri^ ^^ .
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Ex. No. 5017
Dallas^ Tcxc
McMILLON,T.D.
Dallas
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by Spocicl Agon;e_
ALLm H. SMITH and
Deposition_
3-25-6A
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your agency; It and Its contents are not to be distributed outside your aqencj
PM. j^ Dallas 44-1639
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was OSWALD with Detective LEAVELLE handcuffed to OSWALD'S
right hand, McMILLON did not recall the name of the detective
on OSWALD'S left. Another detective, whose name he couldnot
recall followed OSWALD. Just as OSWALD and the detectives
passed McMILLON, he turned to his left to follow this group
knd almost instantaneously saw a man lunge out of the crowd
about three feet in front of OSWALD and to OSWALD'S left.
This man appeared to take one step and he was observed to have
a gun in has right hand. This man was in a crouched position
and seemed to bring the gun up from below hip level and take
a step and move in on OSWALD all in one motion. This man
hollered at OSWALD, "You rat S— of B— -, you shot the President/
and at the same time fired one shot. McMILLON stated he
immediately reached for the gunman's right forearm and ^bout
the same time several other officers reached the gunman and
all went down onto the floor. There was a struggle on the
floor to subdue this man and one of the officers took the
gun from the man. This man was hollering during the
struggle, "I hope I killed the S— of B-— . I hope I
killed the S— of B— ." McMLLLON stated that he and the
other officers who had subdued this man took him into the
jail office. En route the man hollered, "Don't you know
."^ho I am? I'm JACK RUBY J' McMILLON stated he still had
bhis man by the right forearm all the v/ay into the jail
Dffice, There they laid him face down on the floor and
tiandcuffed him behind his back, using McMILLON's handcuffs.
\IcMILLON recalled that detectives ARCHER and R. C. V/AGNER,
and other detectives whose names he does not recall were handling
.^UBY in the jail office. Ka stated they got RUBY on his feet
bo take him to the jail el&vator and at this time he noticed
bhat OSWALD was also laying on his back in the jail office on
bhe floor with other officers around OSWALD, They took RUBY
bo the jail elevator and to the fifth floor. McMILLON recalled
bhat detectives CLARDY, ARCHER, and Captain KING and possibly
Dthers, were in the elevator that took RUBY to the fifth
rioor. On the fi^th floor RUBY was strioped and searched and,?, ,f?
Left dressed only in his shorts. About this time, Mr. SORREL'' t
Df the Secret Service office came to the fifth floor to talk W'
tio RUBYo RUBY was talking freely and said that he had read
Ln the papers ttet JACKIE KENNEDY might have to come to Texas
;o testify and that OSWALD did not deserve a trial for what
le had done and that he, RUBY, thought he would save the
-axpayers time, trouble, and money. RUBY said that he was
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not trying to be a hero and that what he did he did on his
own as a spur of the raoraent thing. RUBY said this, meaning
his shooting of OSV/ALD, could not h-ave been more perfect in
timing because Just at the time he arrived in the police
department basement they were bringing OSWALD out of the
jail door. SORREL^S.V; asked RUBY if he had done this on his
own and RUBY again stated that no one else was in on the deal
and that it was a spur of the moment action.
Those present while SORRELS was interview ingi-,' RUBY
were Detectives McMILLON, CLARDY;, ARCHER, and possibly some
of the Jail personnel whose names he did not recall. RUBY
was also asked how he got into the basement to which he
replied that he had been to the Western Union Office, had walked
down IVIain Street to the down ramp in the police department and
proceeded dovm the east side of this ramp. He, RUBY, entered
this ramp at the time a police car was coming out onto the
street. This police car was driven by Lt, PIERCE. While
going down the ramp an officer, according to RUBY, ha2ilered
at him and said something to the effect, "Hold it a minute,"
or "where are you going there," but RUBY said he did not
slow down, ducked his head, and had his hat pulled down and
walked on, RUBY said he knew he could act like a reporter.
RUBY continued that Just as he got to the bottom of the ramp
the police were bringing OSWALD out and he, RUBY, Jumped
out of the crowd and shot OSWALD. McMILLON continued that
RUBY also said he was surprised that he, RUBY, only got
one shot off and that he thought he could get at least
three shots off. RUBY said the police moved faster than he
figured .
McMILLON stated that RUBY was asked how he knew
OSWALD and had shot OSWALD and not a police officer. RUBY
replied that he had been to a press conference ^on Friday
night in the police station show-up room and saw OSWALD
there. McMILLON stated that he does not recall that RUBY
was asked how he gained admission to this conference, but
continued that RUBY said that during this conference District
Attorney WADE was being interviewed and made several references
to the Pfeir Play for Cuba and the Free Cuba groups and indicated
that they were one and the same group but RUBY claimed that he
corrected WADE, telling him (WADE), that these groups were not
the same and that they were opposing and conflicting organi-
zations. McMILLON stated that RUBY was not questioned as to
how he corrected District Attorney WADE or he, RUBY, had
knowledge of these organizations.
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Sometime during tha lxit^-t'C0:^atl<m of RUBY, SORREL'S::^
departed and Agent Ki^L fro.a th^s FBI arrived „ McMILLON stated
that he vras unable to identify the officers present during any
given period while RUBY vjas boins interviewed but stated
that all statements ho has attributed as being made by RUBY
were made in his (McMILLON' s) presence
McMILLON continued that because he^ CLARDY and
ARCKSR we^r® assigned to the Auto Theft Bureau and knex^ that
ariothar police bureau would handle RlJliYs, they did not attempt
to interrogate RUBY but stood by to assist in handling RUBY
while he was being interrogated by SORREL-LS and HALL. McMILLON
itated that Detectives from the Homicide Bureau relieved the
aforementioned detectives and himself about 3»30 p.m.
McMILLON stated tliat he has known RUBY approximately
aix years and that he first met RUBY at RUBY'S Vegas Club
that was located on his police beato D-uring this six year
period he has seen RUBY at other clubs and at other times
while on police work. McMILLON i:as never vjorked for, RUBY in
any capacity and knows of no police officer who has itorked
for RUBY. McMILLON continued that he has heard that police
officers have been alleged to vjork for RUBY but that a police
department order prohibits police officers from working on their
off hours at any establishments vjhich sell liquor. McMILLON
said that possibly people thought that police officers worked
at these establishments because they may have seen special
officers in these places. He explained that the Special
Services Division - Vice Squad, Dallas Police Department, has
employees known as Special Officers v^ho are assigned to work
night clubs, taverns, and other such establishments. These
employees are part time city employees but are not part of
the Dallas Police Department and they are regulated by the Special
Services Division. These Special Officers wear a uniform similar
to the Dallas Police Department unifoi'm with the exception of
shoulder patches, insignias, and badges. These Special Officers
are paid by the City of Dallas and he is of the opinion that the
city is reimbursed by the establish^nents where the Special Officers
are assigned.
McMILLON continued that he knew of no overall security
measures in effect on November 24, 1963, and handled his assignment
as directed by Lt. SMART and Captain JONES. He did observe that
uniformed officers were in the basement v^hen he, McMILLON, and
other detectives went to the basement and that these uniformed
officers were checking people there for proper identification.
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ll'S Im^u of no \r:^t:.:dih.2^:L-^v-l :;.Ci.^'Jona being permitted to
enter the basement o Ha cbE:':.?";/^^ j-sv ..-ii'aus police officers and
press 5 TV and radio pai-^^cmt'iil but did not give an estinato
of the r.raiber of peoDLi triors , }Jhl-illI>Cil^ atatcd he last sCw
RUBY prior to his^, pJjBY's^ Bhoolii^x *"'SMAL.D, oo November 24,
19635 about two or thr^^'^e montlL5 proVlcuslyp but he did not
recall vmere he saw RDBY. MoMI/I-Oil Iiaa tjo l^ysowledge of any
relationship between R'OBY and OSbJALI?, McMILLON added that
while RUBY was being interview ed hy HALL^ RUBY told HALL that
h'?^ RUBY^ had se&n £u article in a i.-allai^ newspaper by BERI^JARD
WEISKAH that vjas derogator;/ to K:ei:;:ii;L>Y and RU&Y wanted HALL
to check WEISMAN outo RUBY appCiSred to be vary concerned about
this nsijapaper article and RUBY stated that he had gone to the
Post Office to try to find out \rho IvEISMN was and his address.
McMILLON ccntinu&d tlxat Fl(/.BY ix?as also talking about
another police officer, L. G. i-lTjLLilKAX^ who had.bsen killed .in
Dallas abouG a year ago who had bean cpdrating in an undercover
capacity and the accus&d iiiller' was "no hilled" in court.
RUBY said he thought of killin;!; this aecuB&d man because
he got off without being puni^J.od and ha^, RU'BY^ thought
OSV/ALD raight get off for kill in .5 Officsr TIFFTS . and the
President o McMILLON concluded that h& did not recall
RUBY being questioned in detail concerning the above
related incid«ints o
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"Nov&iaberf 2?) 1963 "<
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"Mr. J. E. Curry
Chief of Police ^
"Sir: •^:^
"I should like to submit tho following report regarding the ."^ v^
incident occurring in tho baaenent on November 24, 1963. ^^ \n
"On November 24, 1963, I was assigned to the basement of the City ;^_tif
Hall at approximately 11:10 a.cj. for ths purpose of security in C:^"
the transferring of Lee Harvey Osvrald from tho City Jail, to the
-^ County Jail. I was stationed near tho jail office door v/hich
?^
V exits ^ onto the rasjp leading in a northerly direction tov/ard '^
"^ Uain Street. Detective L. D. Miller v/as stationed to my imrsediate
iV right and I was the second person from tho door on the north side ^^^"''^
T'-^ of the hallway which leads to the jail office door, I do not know ' /
! '^ who was on my left. /-• ,'jl
h "At approximately 11:25 a.ja. Captain Fritz came out of the jail 'fiX
office door and asked if everythiTig vas all right, and I ansv/crjs^d,
"';^ "Yes sir." I do not know if he was speiking directly to me. >?V70
'^ X Homicide detectives were holding onto the prisoner escort ins^hin,
^ ^ and I recognized Detective Leaveils on the prisoner's ief-t-; Captain
^ ^v ■ Fritz had proceeded past me and the two Homicido detectives with
^ >> . the prisoner had proceeded slightly past me. As the prisoner was
,\f^ '■'^'^ even with mc , I made a left face which caused rae to be walking in
\s^<c^ a southeasterly direction. Just as I had taken about one or two
>^ steps in forming the barrier on the north side of the prisoner, a'
man jumped from somev.'hero slightly to ay right and in front of me.
I ■ heard this man yell, "You rat son-of— a--bitch, you shot the
President." I saw the man as ha appeared to jump or lunge foward
the prisoner. I sav/ a short barrel revolver and heard one shot. I
attempted to grab this man by the right arm and could: still see the
revolver. But after I had gotten ho3d of this man's right arm,
several more officers were also trying to subdue him. At this
point, I was on the floor just outside the jail office and the
man said, "I hope I kjtlled the rat son=of-a-bitch." I do not know
who took the gun from this loan, but Detectives Archer, Chambers,
• Clardy, Waggoner, and some' more" officers took, this man into the
jail office and at the time he was on the floor and I recognized
him as Jack Ruby, V/e placed my handcuffs on this man and Detectives
Clardy, Archer, and Captain King, and I took this man directly to the
fifth floor men's jail,, after a prelirainary search in the jail office,
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VvA- v'vx^ iWJl'l;^^ Ex.No.5018 MclJlILLON,T.D. Deposition_
,. l-Z ^' ' L- Mr Dallas 3-25-6^ /- <p r> /-^
McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5018
561
DL 44-1639
"On the fifth floor raon's Jail w© instructed Jailers to search
this. man and strip him leaving him clad in only his shorts, W©
also instructed the jailers to notify th© jail doctor to come and
examine this man.
"Detectives Clardy, Archer, and I stayed with this pris«2»a»3r'"i!r"om
11:25 a.m. until relieved by Homicide detectives at approximately
3:25 p.m. During the time we were with this man, he was
interrogated by Mr, Sorrells of Secret Service and Mr, Kail of
the F,B.I. He was contacted by an attorney, Mr. Tom Soward, and
he was examined by Dr. Bieberdorf when we were relieved by
Homicide officers, ' . .
"Detectives Clardy, Archer, and I assisted in getting this man
from the fifth floor jail to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau.
"V
"Respectfully submitted,
/s/"T, D. McMillon
T. D. McMillon
Detective
Criminal Investigation Dlvisioz
C^S'.
McMillon Exhibit No. 5018 — Continued
562
FDooj (R.». 3.3.S9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1 Dot. 'n./2^/e>,
Mr. T. D. MC MILLAN, Detective, CID, Auto Theft Bureau, Dallas
Police Department, Dallas, Texas, informed that he was instructed by-
Lieut enant V. S. SMART of the Auto Theft Bureau to report to the basement
In ccnnectlon with the oeeurlty detail on November 2i*, 1963. Ha itatad
that he went to the basement at approximately 11:10 AM, He stated that
upon reaching the basement he was stationed near the Jail office door
which exits onto the ramp leading in a northerly direction toward Main
Street. He said that he was instructed to walk along with the prisoner
aTter he arrived and assist in guarding the prisoner from the sides. He
stated that Detective L. D. MILLER was stationed to his immediate right,
and that he, MC MILLAN, was the second person from the door on the north
side of the hallway which leads to the Jail office door. MC MILLAW said
that he did not know who was on his left,
Mr. MC MILLAN said that at 11:25 AM, Captain WILL FRITZ came
out of the jail office door and asked if everything was all right.
MC MILLAN said that he answered "Yes sir". MC MILLAN said that Captain
FRITZ had proceeded past him, and the two homlpide detectives with the
prisoner had Just passed him, MC MILLAN. Mr, MC MILLAN said as the
prisoner was even with him, MC MILLAN, he made a left face which caused
him, MC MILLAN, to be walking in a southeasterly direction. Mr.
MC MILLAN related that as he had taken about one or two steps in
forming the barrier on the north side of the prisoner, a man Jvmrped
from somewhere slightly to his, MC MILLAN 's, right and in front of
MC MILLAN, Mr. MC MILLAN said that he heard this man say "You rat, son-
of-a-bitch. You shot the President," MC MILLAN said the man appeared
to Jump or lunge towards the prisoner, Mr, MC MILLAN advised that he
saw a short barrel revolver and heard one shot. He stated that he
attempted to grab the man by the right arm and could stiOJL see the
revolver. Mr. MC MILLAN said he grabbed hold of the man's arm and held
onto it even tho\jgh more officers assisted in subduing the individual
with the gxm. He stated that while he, MC MILLAN, and the other
officers were subduing the man with the gun, MC MELLAN heard the
individual say "I hope I killed the rat son-of-a-bitch. " Mr. MC MILLAN
said that he also recalls the individual said at least twice "Don't you
know who I am? I am Jack Ruby. "
Mr. MC MILLAN related that Detectives ARCHER, CHAMBERS, CLARDY
and WAGGONER took the man into the Jan office, and at this time Mr.
MC MILLAN recognized the man who had shot the prisoner as JACK RUBY. He
. 11 /2^/6^ at Da J J . as, TrtM;!^ Fil. # dl iat-i^?Q
GEORGE W. H. CARI^ON AND
f Sp.ciol Ag«nt8 PAUL LpgCOTT; mm . Dot. dictated 'i'i/^^/f^J
lU docuAAnt contains n»lth«r racommandatlona nor conclualons of th* FBI. It U th« proparty of th« FBI and U loaned to
lurtxqabcy; It and Its contsnts ars not to bit dlatrlbutod etttslc^^yieur agsnoy.
McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5019
563
DL kk-1639
GWHC,PLS;maia
2
stated that after RUBY was handcuffed he was taken to the fifth floor,
Men's Jail, and that he, MC MILLAN, stayed with RUBY \mtil about
3:25 PM,
Mr, MC MTT.T.A TJ stated that he has known JACK RUBY since about
1957^ at which time he made a call to the Vegas Club to assist an
officer in piflT^-ty^g an arrest. He stated that he met RUBY at that time
and has seen him around town ever since,
Mr* MC MILLAN stated that RUBY told him, MC MTT.T.AIT, that he,
RUBY, walked dovra the ramp from Main Street on the east side. RUBY
said that he, RUBY, had been to the Western Union and sent $25,00 to
a girl in Ft. Worth and then walked to the police and courts biiilding.
MC MILLAN said that RUBY stated that he, RUBY, could not have timed it
better. Mr, MC mtt.t.atm said that he asked RUBY if RUBY was challenged,
and RUBY said that one policeman, whom he did not name, hollered at him
RUBY, and RUBY said that he, RUBY, Just ducked his head and kept on
going. Just as he, RUBY, arrived at the bottom of the rainp. OSWALD
appeared,
Mr, MC MILLAN said that he asked RUBY how he knew LEE HARVEY
OSWALD, and RUBY replied that he, RUBY, was present on Friday night
(November 22, I963) at the press conference, at which time OSWALD was
also present,
Mr, MC MTT.T.ATJ stated that he has no idea how RUBY got into
the area, and that he Just seemed to have appeared from nowhere.
McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5019 — Continued
•564
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McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020
565
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McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 — Continued
566
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McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 — Ck)ntinued
567
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568
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569
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McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 — Continued
570
I. ■ licply. Please Refer to
File No.
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
WASniNGTO^f 25, D. C
13 recording v:".-
■:^-CGti£atioa by -
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tiT.nrTc;rii">t cf a tr"o recording.
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Helen Marldiam. Exhibit 1
Makkham Exhibit No. 1
571
l-ielen Klarldiam E:diibit i
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Vclca:
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.. ^..v\j vLo
polico ou that cay.
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Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
572
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Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
744-731 O— 64— vol. XX-
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
574
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Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
575
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CU C?,VJ it C-Op V'.T.:.: t,:2n (..-O,
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
576
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Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
•577
HeLen Markhara il:diibit 1
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Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
578
-.-.0 out iu tl'.^ open nt tlin,t tino.
; no one- t-v^ro but ne ;. ,/. Tippit
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Helen Markhain. Exliiuxi.
Makkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
579
rielen jv..arlci::-:n. ^iiiiiDit 1
>;; in v.: .
i'os sir.
Uh, in oihos-, s.u
Oswald or yip^^it:
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
580
w-h-w^mm
Helen Markliam Exhibit 1
Loe Karvoy Osvrald, R!m,
Ho was not ansry?
IIo didn't loolc cr-sry. You knot? Just llko, I thought
it vist3 jv.st a frJondly conversation.
Did you notice xvhich hand Oswald hold the pistol in?
The right.
YouVo suro it was in the right hand?
l*a positive.
ilow nnny shots vere fired, or Just one shot.
Three,
You board all throe shots fired?
Yes sir.
And TWhat did you do then, after the ahootins sms ovor?
Well, I couldn't do anything; I froze.
You fro£;(i?
1'C3 sir.
And he. say you stayed there?
About uh Lvo ainuten I imagine and I loolced up and
OGA.'iild \r -' - -^- - towards »e.
I:o ^vciE ;., _...^ ..-.'a you?
Yes sir.
\7hat did you do?
1 Just put my hands over my face and still stood
thore and closed my eyes.
Did he walk past you?
No sir, ho tooK uh, ho uh, he was in the front of kc.
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
581
Loo Harvey Oswald* ftka.
YoU.
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And ho v\xn, and took my bands off my face; X
thouG^t he vta.a goiag to shoot aa.
And did you stayed right there?
No sir.
What did you do thes?
Before be could, \th, gat out of sight , X vont to
Mr. Tippit.
You vont to Ur, Tippit?
Yes I did.
Yeh, and then vhat?
He vas still in sight. Well, Z tried to got help.
Yoh, and did this cum Osvald» did he valk avay or
did he run avsray?
After bo shot Ur. Tippit?
Yoa.
He did not rxin.
Be did not run?
Bo seen m&.
Yob.
Stopped and looked at me «lth a gun in his hand.
Yebi and then did he walk?
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
58-2
HfelenMarkham Exhibit 1
Loe Barvey Oswald, akn.
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And thon after ho stood Rnd lcok»?d at mo, ho turned
and run and that's whon I rvm to ilr. Ilirjlt,
Oh, he did run at that point?
Aftor, yeh, aftor.
Vblch vay did he run?
Dava, uh, across 2?attor>.
Yoh. Ho run acrosr? latter. ai~C di>\vn toward, uh,
(unintolligiblo) Uh-uh.
Sure did» I told tho policcmon that.
7ou told then that also?
Yes, and thoy wont dotm thoro and found blia at tho
Texas Theater.
X BOO. Did ho run tomird the Texas Theater?
no run In that direction.
Tlov far did the shooting taico place frosi the Tesaa
Theater?
Oh, quite « few hlocha. I'd say throo to four blocks.
X see, and you vont over to Officer Tippit then?
Yes air.
Did you have a chance to talk to hin?
Yes sir.
And, did he say anything?
Yes sir, he tried to talk to ne. He could not talk,
c;ot it plain enough for lae to see, you know, to
hear hia.
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
583
Lcc Earvey Oswald, olca.
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And X vas trying to lini- ijiia. II© knew I ^.raa thore.
Z soe. Bo didn't kitov you vera thoro?
Yea. Z tried to call In on tho radio for help.
Oh, and did you call In on tho radio?
Z trlod to.
And xihsit happened?
Woll, 1 juQt didn»t know how. Z was In hysterics
and Bcreaaing. They heard m@ scx'oaalns and crying;.
?iho? On the radio you mean?
Yoa. Thoy did.
And did you atay with Oificer Tijtpit until tho police
arrived?
1 certainly did.
¥ou did stay there?
Z vas there when they put hla in tho aabulanco. Z
ea-yi hia, that \sraa the last Z saw hia alive. Yes sir.
Z see.
Z VQUt with hla till they closed the ambulance door
In ay face,
Z see, and then thoy questioned you. The police
questioned you «hen thoy arrived?
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
584
Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Le« Barvoy Osvald, ftka.
U: Yoa sir, X told thasi X a&v it.
Li And thoy nslcod you and you told thcsa Just about
what you told mo toow?
M: I told then. Yes sir.
l*t E^t, thoy didn't ask for way physical doscrlption of
Oswald at that timo?
lit Ho. Only his olothlns,
L: Just bis clothing?
U: Tea sir.
L: And you said it vas a gray shirt and dark pants?
U: Mo gray shirt.
L: !•» sorry, gray jachet.
M: And, uh, I went to "r. Tlppit. Yes, I did when
after they taken hia off.
L: Yoh.
H: I got in the police car i^ith the pollcocxon. Vi'ent
down to the polico station.
ht Yoh.
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
585
Zlarvey Oswald, oka.
And X didn't oco lilra no moro, TIaoy wouldn't lot
rao In. I didn't want to aeo hin.
Thoy wouldn't lot you tioo Tipplt any laoi'o?
TSh, no thoy wouldn't lot rao sco Oavrald any store.
Thoy wouldn't lot Oswald Si>G wo.
Tlioy would not.
X didn't want to,
t/hon was tbo next tloo you saw Ouwnld?
The next tiiao I saw him? I novor oair bla aftor.
You saw hla in tho lineup once is that richt?
^at*8 all.
Ych, who was in tho linoup with hlo? I noan how
naay people
Four,
Tliore wore Sour
Uh, Z boliove tl
him*
rjcluding hisi?
1 tia ooo four including
Four Including mid what did tho other throo pooplo
look llko, do you recall?
Well, Z do ono of them,
Yoh.
Tlio first one cano out. Ha wag kind of light hocdedj
kind of bald looldLnc; had on a bluo sweater; light
blue cwoator Just a little li;;Iit bluo slip-over
sweater with no clccvoa in it.
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Helen Markham Exhibit I
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
586
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Helen Markham E>dnbit 1
Loo Harvoy Oswald, aha.
I»: Yos.
M: And, uh, cloan Xooklng and ho, I was, then tho other
tw> didn't look co Eood. You imow, tho othor tlirco
didn't look so good.
L: I ceo.
U: Z took ay tind« Of couroe, I was paosing out all
tho tloo.
L: Z Imow, you wero V0vy upsot at that timo*
Ui Yos*
1*5 Of courso, you Bust hnvo boon (unintolliEiblo) you
novor saw onyono killed "ooforo, xl'-ht?
M; Kovor In ay llfo.
L: So, you must have boon terribly upaot, uh, at that tiao.
Do you thlnls it is possiblo you ELight havo mado a
mistnko in terms of identifying Oswald?
M: Ko, uh, no.
L: You \sforo not that upsot.
H: No, causo Z had to bo euro. Tboy \!«mtod to know
right now, you knov?, Z Isnew as <iuick.
L: Yoa»
M: I said Z*vo got to bo sure, I want to bo suro.
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
' X:<'iS.VXi:'&':'MjSj^
587
Loo Harvey Oswald, aka.
L: Yoh.
M: SOf I had them to turn bin, yoii Isnow,
L: Yoh,
1!: And thoy tuniod UL., .>..,:. l^ "•,
L: Yeh.
If: I could BOO bin causio I Ic-ckcd riribt in boro.
Li Yoh, well you eat.' hi;:i for a littlo while ^hon ho
cQiao walldLng toiyarU you.
Ui I aav hia in tho eyc3. It v/a3 hia.
L: Yeh. What color eyoa did ho havo, do you recall?
M: Uo, It was so far. It v/aa too far froa ko for that,
L: now far was ho vhon ho shot Officer Tipnit, froa
you?
£1: Oh, from ao? Oh, I'm not a [rood Judyioat at how
oany foot, bit It wasn't too far mo.
L: !Toll, was it across tho street?
il: Caddy-comorod acrona tho ctroct. 1*11 toll you.
Tenth and Pattou, it wao tho sccoad houso on
Tenth and Pat ton on tho loft hand side.
L: Yos*
M: 408 X bolievo It Is, big t;hlto houso*
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
588
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Helen Markliam Exhibit 1
T..0 Ilarvoy Ctewald, al;a.
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tJli-uh, and you wort- ^
a 100 loot away voxl
Wore you about
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l*d Bay that.
About a 100 foot?
Yeh.
And how close did 03\mld cons to you?
Rtgrht across tho street,
ISo waa across tb© sti-oot when ho craao towards you?
Yos eir.
And, you saw hln coming at tlat time?
Yos sir.
And you had a chance to look at !:iri as Uo caiae?
yo3 sir. Wq11» I couldn't nal<o a cova. 2 wna
afraid to novo cause and X frcso cause I was afraid ho
\^ould Bhoot.
Yoh, Ikit ho didn't shoot you?
No.
But did he look at you?
Yos sir.
And he saw you thero?
Yes sir.
And you eav nobody clao on the street at that tiao?
So sir.
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued c
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589
!/©e narvoy 03\mld, aka,
Lj And did you soo anylxsdy l.: tai Bt^ro windou'o or
vindovTB any placo?
Ui Sao, sir, it's DO stoi-co thoro.
Lt Tlioro aro no stores there?
lit Xt*s, uh, rooldenco.
ht 1 see, and did you see anybody la any vindowa?
M: Yes sir. After it vas over.
hi But not at tbe tine?
H: Ro, Thoy rvouldn't ovon cone out Jind help ao and
do nothing after it vaa ovor.
L: Even after it was ovor . out?
Ut Hot till tho police, ta^ cj came first then
the pollc&noa caoo.
L: I see. Bow Ions v,or).(i : t Xv-aa aftor the
shooting until the X ^Jur. csr^e out?
!!: About 20 airutes beiwio,
L: Twenty ainutes before anyone cdsie out?
U: Yos sir.
lit And the officer vas in tho car dying all that tirao?
Ut On the {ground dying.
Lt On the groun4?'
M: Yes sir.
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued.
590
Helen Markliam Exhibit 1
Loo Uorvoy Osv/ald« olca*
L: tVLiero was ho sIiot» do you irocall?
M: Yes Bir, In the head abovo hlo oyo nnd in hla
chest .
L: In his hoad and In his ohost?
II: Yos sir,
L: Timt's'two shots?
Hj Well, twice in tho hoad.
L: Twice in tho hoad and onco in tho chest?
M: Yos sir.
L: Yes. Did you soo what kind oS a £:ua this wns?
Mj No.
L: Woll, which you wore oa ono side of tho street, and
then tho police car v/as at one tine between you
and Tippit and Oowald, richt?
Ui That's right.
Lj And when shooting took plrco Oowald and Tippit
wore standing behind tho police car from your
side.
Zi No, Tippit was on ,, you luiooc X
was on tho satao sit . a;;.
You woro?
Yes.
And which sido visa " on?
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Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
591
Loo nnrvoy Oswald, oka.
M:
L:
M:
U
Ut
hi
M:
L:
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M:
L:
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Co was on tho.
Tho other a±do7
The othor side.
Ho was behind tho car when tho chootins.
Ko, lio was in tho fi'ont. Ho walkod to tho front
v/hccl of tho car. Ho shot biia acr-ocs tho hood of
tho car.
Ho shot hla acrosa tho hood of tho car?
Yos sir.
And did Tipplt tako out a gim or anything at
anytiao?
Yos sir, Z didn't laiow that ho had his s^a.
Yoh.
Bat whoa thoy got thoro they rolled him ovor and
got it.
And ho had a gun out already?
Yes oir,
Uii-uh. YTell, have >'ou eoon pictures of Oswald since
tho tino. I moan cinco be wao killed, I cp-iosa you'vo
scon thoia on telovicion, and pictures, and tho
newspaper ,
Uh, ono time I soon Oswald.
In plcturos.
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
592
■«■■■■■■
Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Loo Harvoy Oswald , olta.
^* ^" pictures of which dotectivea- broucUt to chow mo.
L: When \ma that? Befoi'a you Idontified hin?
53: Ho sir.
L: It vma iiftor you :
Mi It VSL3 aftor ho \5U-j i-\*2.i.c<i.
Lj After Oira&ld «bb killed, ttoy ba^ought you pictures?
Mj Yqs, yea,
^' Di«i thoy ©vor shov you any pictures boforo ho woq
killed?
M: No sir.
^^ No. So, tho only tvo tl;::os you sew hin v;cro on
the etrcot and onco in tho po3-i<»3 linoup?
H: Eisht,
hi Yoh.
a: That's all I v^antcd to s5 3o Lis.
^» Veh. X undorotnnd.
H: 1 euro do. Well,
L: Tsell, is thoro anythtus olso thct you Itno^ about this?
Ui Not a thing. l*m just tolling you what I eaw.
L: Ych. I don't IcnoT? tliat, X ncan is thoro anythinjj you
le^t out tliat I wasn't Qkillful ©noush to ask about?
Or do you think you'vo told ao everythins?
^5 I think I've told you ©very thing,
Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
593
»1^
hoe Barvoy Oarvmld» alca.
L: Did tbo, did you talk to the FBI about the case
at all?
M: Yes sir. Detectives, FBI, Socrot Sorvlce non.
L: Voh. nas anyone told you not to discuss the caso
vith the general public?
U: X do not.
L: Sid anyone tell you that?
M: Ub, yes sir.
L: Who told you that?
M; Tho, well, the detectivoc, anl all of then and uh
for ay own good I dcii't c a^sc a clsa*t v.xint to cet.
you knov, involved tn r.otalng.
Lj I understand. Did TSI Agonts tell you it's best
not to discuss tho case?
21: Yes.
h: TUoy did?
U: Yes.
Lj And, did Secret Service Agents tell you lt»s best not
to discuss tho case?
H{ Yes sir,
L: And, did the Dallas, uh, detectives tell you it's
best not to discuss the case?
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
•594
Helen Markham Exhibit i
Leo Harvoy Oswald, oka.
M
L
Lj
a:
L:
M:
ht
M:
L:
M:
Li
M:
Li
YoQ sir.
And, CO you've really not diccusrjod the caso
very much have you?
Nobody.
Havo you told any , .
Woll, ono, Thoy wci-i-.
.:. : nnytliiue?
o dotath.
I'n sure thoir after you bocaueo you'ro & very
Important witnoss.
Uh-uh,
Did any of tho roportors, did you toll any reporter
that the person that ohot Onvald, shot Tippit waa
short, stocky, xmd had buchy hair?
X did not.
You don't ronombor tollln;; i.: be iauso ono of tho
roportors reported that in tac n jv.'spaper.
Yos, Z road that.
You road that, T*liat paper ■,?;u':. i iat, you recall?
Uh, I boliove it wr.s in tho Herald,
Tho Eorald?
Z beliovo. It might have boon the Nowa,
It was ono of tho Dallas papers, uh?
Yes sir.
And, do you know what day that was?
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
595
Loo Ilarvoy Oswald, alsa.
M: Ko slr«
L; Tliat was ohortly of tor, tliouc::!, v.r.an't it?
M: Yos sir. Thoy eavo ny adc'fosj, nano and ovorythinG
L; Yeh, and tlioy bad you < utiu.-.-d at saying that ho vaa
short, stocky and had bualiy hair.
U: Wo 11, they're Just not right.
L: But that's what thoy said thoush*
M: I Jcaow it. Thoy can put anything ia papers.
L: I loiov/.
M; Uh-uh.
L; Do you roraombor which reporter that was?
12: Uh, I romoabor a reporter comins horo.
L: Yes.
Ms Tiio Eat Won (phonetic) ■ehich was, 1 didn't kaotf
who ho was. Ho was froa Paris, 1 Vance.
L: Yoh,
M; And I don't laiow who he ^vas, m;c\ I v/acn't goin:^ tc-
tallc to hid bocauDo I wi"U3 ccarod but ray boss said
talkc : to hin and said it would bo all ripht for
mo to talk with him.
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Helen Markliam Exhibit 1
Makkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
596
Helen Markliam Exhibit 1
Loe Harvey Oswald, Aka*
L: Yob.
M: So, I Beared and k:' '- -ca rlcht with uo
till lio got tbi'oucii.
L: X ooo. He waa the only rei>ortor you talked to?
U: Uli, no. One more
L: From one of tho Dallas pax>ors7
M: Uh, yes, 1 bolleve. But there tma several coiae in
from Nov York, all ovor.
Lj Yeh.
M: They Just vorriod ao to doati.
L: Bow many FBI Asontr; -aoul*! yo j rui told you not to
discuss this case vith ar-yon 3?
H: Oh, I*d be afraid to say. It u-j^s several of then.
L : Several?
U: Yea sir,
Lt How inany Secret Sorvico Ac;onts told you not to
discuss the case with anyone?
Ht Well, there was two or three of then.
hi Two or throe of thorn. How many Dallas dotoctivos
told you not to discuss tho case with anyone else?
M: Well, X*d say there was four or five of thea.
L: Four or five detectives, so a lot of people have told
you that, and you generally have not discussed the
case with anyone?
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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
597
Loe Barvoy Oswald « aka.
M: I have not.
Ls Is that richt? Did you sign any affidavit bosidos
tlio ono affidavit that you slguod?
M: I haven't sisned it. Yes air, I had to si^u ono
for the Secret Service.
Lt You signed ono for the Bccrot Service? And U'hat
did that say, do you recall?
11} Saao thing it did down on, uh, at the City Kail.
Police.
!•: X bog your pardon? »
Ui It was the, it*s Just like the one I gave the
policcraan.
L: X see. I see. Just about the some affidavit?
When did you sign that ono?
M: Oh, it was after !Ir. Ostrald cot killed.
L: After he vas killed?
Hi Yes sir.
L; Secret Service didn*t ask for an affidavit from
you while he was alivo, ia that right?
U: Uh, yes sir. Well, thoy didn*t have timo.
L: Yos, X know. Every thins happened so very quickly.
Yoh. yioll, uh, I v/ant to thanii you very nuch for
your cooperation and I'll make notes of the things
you've told mo.
Ui Well yos, and you don't think I'll have to so up
yonder, do you?
L: To Washington?
H: Ko, to court up hcx*« .
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Helen Mark ham Exhibit 1
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
598
Lee B&rvey Oswald, oka.
L: To court? X don't, I ccn't toll you bocauso I*ia
not In any way involvud in that Euby case. I'm
Just involved in the other caso.
Ut Oh.
Li But I don't, frankly, off the cuff t/ithout studying
tho matter it docon't soea to no that any thine that
you saw Is related to Euby and Os\yald.
U: Shoot no. Zi hope not cause Z don't want to go up
there.
L: But, X can't malto that decision. That's for the
lawyers down there who aro trying that case,
Ut You're going to Vfashington?
L: Yes, Z'm investigatinj; tho caco fron an indcpon<Ient
viov>ri>oint to soo wliat facts 1 can '^ot and I 'a, uh,
going to testify in V;ashinntor tc oirov as to
everything, not tomorrow I 'a fciorry, ..edncnday as to
everything that Z have been nblo to .: , I want
to thank you because you've tcon «:<t oopcrati^/e
end very helpful.
H: Thank you very much, and I, if you need any uore or
anything oIbo well just call ne or cose down.
L: Perhaps Z will coiao down to talk with you.
SI: Z wish you would.
Lt Fine, thank you very much Urs. Klarkham.
M: Uh-uh« bye.
Lt Bye.
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Helen Markham Exhibit 1
Maekham ExHrBiT No. 1 — Continued
599
P.O. Box 2897
Dallas 21, Ter.aa
7-10-64
I.Ira. Helen Markham
328 East Nineth
Dallas, Texas,
Dear Ilrs, Marlcham:
ft
At your conveirlence would you kindly ca-.l me Saturday or any weekday
raornlnf^ bBtweeh 9 a.m. and 12 noon?
I v/ould like to op-ortunity of discuss inr a natter which I believe
will be mutually profitable.
V...
mw nK-^vij^ws •..■:^..■^■JLJWfmr^s!;r:s Em>
Helen Markham Exhibit 2
Mabkham Exhibit No. 2
600
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E;^fe?S'
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r'rs, Helen ! arkham
328 East 9th.
Dallas, Texas.
— Helen Markham Exhibit 2
Helen Markham Exhibit 2
NOTICE
dopes, if not delivered,
1 the Dead L,-lo, Offc<
If not delivered in { j days, -eK
P.O. 3ox 2897
Uallas 21, To-t.
Mabkham Exhibit No. 2 — Continued
601
DL 44-1639
"November 26, 1963
"Mr, J, E. Curry
Chief of Police
'^Subject: Shooting of Lee H&rvey Oswald.
"Sir:
"On Sunday, November 24, 1963, I was stationed in the City
Hall basement as security for the transfer of Oswald.
"When he came out of the Jail office I was standing about
mid-way of the driveway going into the parking area. There
was a police car between me and the J ail office. . I did
not see anything but heard the shot that was fired. By
the time I could get around to the Jail, Oswald and Ruby
had been pulled back into the Jail office. Ruby was down
with three or four officers holding him. Oswald was
lying on the North side of the Jail office on the floor.
The doctor and ambulance arrived shortly after I got into
the Jail office.
"I did know Jack Ruby but did not see him prior to this
incident.
"Respectfully submitted,
/s/"F. M. Martin
F. M. Martin
Captain of Police
Juvenile Bureau"
JIx. No. 5058 MARTIN,F.M. Depositioru,
Dallas 3-24-64
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Maktin Exhibit No. 5058
602
FD-302 (Rov. 3-3.58) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION /
5\^
Captain FRANK M. MARTIN, Dallas Police Department,
Juvenile Division, was interyieua^at his home at 609
Five Kile Parl^'ay. CaptaiJ^TMLI^^ advised he vras regularly
assigned to the Juvenile Bui^au and works from 8:00 a.m.
to 5:00 p.m.; that on November 24, 19^3^ he received no
specific assignment regarding the security aspects of
transporting LE5 HARVEY OSWALD from the City Jail to
the County Jail^ He received no instructions and assumed his
duties were to control the crov;d of people and newsmen
In the basement of the police station. He had received no
Information regarding the threats on OSWALD'S life.
He and the five detectives v/ho vsre under his
supervision went to the basement of the polite station
at approximately 11:00 aom. Inasmuch as they had no specific
.assignments, they jjositioned themselves to control the crowd, .
He gave his men no specific assignments. He is unable
to recall exactly when he received his instructions to
be at the police station for the transfer of OSWALD,
, Captain MARTIN advised he was not informed of any
change of plans to transport OSWALD by automobile rather than by
the armored truck.
According to Captain MARTIN, he Iciov:^ JACX ^JJ3Y
by sight, however, he did not see hi:.i in the Co.r.pound
pi'ior" to the shooting. He advised that had' he seen RUBY he
probably ;jould not have put him out as he had received
no instructions In this regard. He knew of no unauthorized
persons permitted to be in the basement and had no knowledge
c ; vjhether persons weirto Identify themselves before
entering; however, he left the Corapound on one occasion
and vras stopped at one of the ramp entrances by an auxiliary
officer regarding his identity. He advised that auxiliary
officers ve'e stationed at each ramp and that to his knovjledge
this was the only entrance to the Compound which RUBY could ^ ,^
have used. He stated the auxiliary police are commanded (f>< '' i^^'
by Captain SOLOMON, ^Jur> j^t^^'u^'
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on n/30/63°t Dallas, Tfixaf^ File i^ PL 44-l6^Q
ALVIN J. ZItiMeRMN &
by Special Agent s ^QSEPH G. PEGGS/csh ^^^^ ^.^^^^^^ IP/P/^^
This doeumeot contains nsllher rseommsndatlons nor conclusion^ of the FBI. It Is the property of the FBI and Is loaned to
your agency; II and Its ceotsats ore not to be distributed outside your agency.
.■■iiiimMji»iii.iii.-«.iMm II..II mwmu.immu,.w uvju j ..ml.i^
^.No.5059 MARTIN,F.M. Depositioi\_
, Dallas 3-24-64
Mabtin Exhibit No. 5059
603
pL 44-3-639
According to Captain I.IARTIN, there were numerous
persons in the basement, he stated, "it was a T.V. show;"
however, he did not knov the identity of any persons other
than the police officers present.
He advised that the follov/ing nen were under his
supervision at the Compound:
Detective W. T. CUTCIiAW
Detective W. J. HARRISON
Detective' ROY.LOWERY
Detective CHARLIE GOOLSBY
Detective (FNU) MILLER
Captain MARTIN advised he did not observe the
actual shooting of OSWALD; hov/ever, he was only a fev/ feet
from the scene. He advised that he has no information re-
garding any relationship between RUBY and OSWALD.
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Martin Exhibit No. 5059 — Continued
604
A\AIN ST.
COMMERCE ST.
Martin Exhibit No. 5060
744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 40
605
... . J;x.No.5094 MAXEr,B.J. Depositioru.
DL •44-16» ^ _ Dallas 3-25-64
"Noveiabor 26, 1963
"Mr. J, E. Curry
Chief of Police
"Sir:
Subject: Assignment of Sergeant
Billy J* Uaxey On
Sunday, November 24, 1963
'*At approximately 11:00 A.M*, Sunday, November 24, 1963, I
arrived at Central Station, I was working "le**. Acting
Lieutenant), Northeast Substation. The Patrol Officers
were leaving for their traffic assignments, and there was
a large group of reporters standing in the hall leading to
the Jail Office.
"I did not have dn assignment at the time of my arrival and
when Lieutenant Pierce came down and got into his car I
asked him if I could help. Lieutenant Pierce advised me to
ride with. him gnd Sergeant Putnam to escort the Armored Car
which had been backed partially onto the south; 'ramp.
"Lieutenant Pierce drove the car, I was sitting in the back
seat, on the left side and Sergeant Putnam, after moving
the crowd o^^reporters out of our path, got into the frot seat
on the right side. We traveled up the north ramp and made
a left turn onto Main Street. Officer R. E. Vaughn was standing
on our right side at the top of the ramp as we went out onto Mail
Street.
"I did not see Jack. Ruby or anyone else go down the ramp as
we drove out. I kxor Jack Ruby by sight and X also did not see
him in the basement while I was at that location.
"We proceeded to the top of the south ramp via Main Street to
Harwood Street to Commerce Slreet and took a position in front of
Armored Car. < ' . , ,■
"Apparently the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald had Just happened
because I did jiot hear the shot and officers were rushing to
cover the exits of the Police and Courts BiLlding and the City Hal
as we pulled into position^ - r^ ; lU'-
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Maxet Exhibit No. 5094
606
2
DL 44-1639
"After the shooting, Lieutenant Pierce, Sergeant Putnam, .
and I \7ent to Parkland Hospital and set up security In the
building and the Emergency Entrance Parking Lot.
'^Respect fully submitted,
"/s/ Billy J. Maxey
Billy J, Kaxey
Sergeant of Police
Patrol Division"
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Maxey Exhibit No. 5094 — Continued
607
^FD.302 (Roy. 3-3.i9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIf *10N
1
Dato Dgc, 7.. 1953
BILLY JOE Il^^^EY, SffjTsec-.nt, Dallas Police Eapr-rto^nt,
\-73.s interviewGd in front of liis resiccrice 8912 Fraepor'c
Drive, and V7as advised tfcat he. did not. have to make a ctatGciant,
that any statement he did make could be used against hira in
a court of lax;. He \7as advised that he h3,d the ri^ht to
consult an attorney prior to uakias ^"^y statement. He
furnished the follov7ing infortcatioa:
JiAIiEY advised during tta. previous interview
tbjit he gave the inf orraation about the e::- police officer
n^iNIELS and the "shine boy" as if he had personally
observed these individuals. He wished to clarify this
£3 inforcT-ation he obtained through conversation vzith Sergeant
J. A. PUTIIAii and Lieutenant PiEP^CE. lie did not personally
observe these individ'oals at the l-Iain Street ramp the morning
of November 24, 1963.
Cn Novenber 24s 1963, ha arrived alone in the Central
Police Headquarters builc.lng at about 11:00 a.m. and
entered through the I^Iain Street ramp entrance in a "p^^lice
department vehicle,
-irjiiXe in the bacement garage, he, looked over the
crowd of reporters arid police "real good" and stated positively
JACK RU3Y V7as ^^ot in the group at the base of the l!ain ;■-
Street ramp during the time li^JIEY vjas in the basement.
He does not recall seeing anyone in that area wearing a
hat.
Just prior to the shooting of OSWALD, ViAXZY^
Lieutenant PIERCE and Sergeant PUTNAM left via the 1-lain
Street ramp in. a Dallas police vehicle.
Upon exit from the ramp, he recalled Officer Ct^^'
VAUGHN was on the right of the ramp entrance, M'JSY \ -
was in the left rear seat of the car and does no t recall
if VAUGHN stepped ±to l^Iain Street to block traffic J^'^ c\'^
when the car left the bufding. 1^ ly f«
_Ex,No.5095 MAXEY,B.J. Deposition.^
Dallas 3-25-6^;
en l_J.2Z^X63at T)^.lln.P, . Te::<as Filo # PL 44-1639
R. NEIL QUIGLEY &
by SpociGl Aoont S .TOT-TH F. . DAT.T.T.IAW/rP.h __ Dato dictotod 12/7/63
This documoDt contains nslther recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It Is the property of the FBI and Is loanod to
your aconcy; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your ogoncy.
Maxet Exhibit No. 5095
608
L 44-1639
He stated he has heard, possibly from Sergeant
UTMUI, that VAUGHN did step into Main Street to block
raffic for their exit. -
1#JCSY recalls a bus stopped across Main Street
roni the ramp and believes this attracted his attention
pon leaving the rasap.
I'-L'iXEY does not recall anyone in the car speaking
o VAUGKN as they left the rarnp.
tIAXEY does not recall if there v/as a police
fficer handling traffic at the Karx-zood and Main Street
ntcrsection at the time the car he v/as in made a left
urn off of Main Street ontq Ilarv/ood.
He does not recall the vehicle stopping at any
Lme while exiting from the Main Street raiup onto i-Iain
ireet. Ke did not see JACK RUBY at any time during the
.siting from the Main Street ramp.
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Maxey Exhibit No. 5095 — Contimued
609
PD.302 (Rov. 3-3.59) FEDtfRAL SURSAU GF i.NVESTlC-.VnON
12/3/63
f(
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J . . DaJo
BILLY JOE MAXEY,- Sergeant, Police Department, Dallas, Texas,
was interviewed at his rer,idance at 8912 Fr.jeport Drive, Dallas, ho-vie _
telephone DA 7-8743. Ke was advised at the outset that he did not
have to furnish a statement, that any statement he did furnxsh could
possibly be used against him in court, and of his right to an attorney.
He furnished the following information:
He is presently assigned to the Patrol Division of the
Dallas Police Department and works out of the Northeast Substation at
8 916 Adlora Lane. He was on duty from 7:00 AM to 4:00 PM on
November 24, 195 3. -He was aware that LEE HARVEY OSWALD was to be
transported from the Dallas City Jail to the County Jail on the
morning of that day. It is his daily routine to visit the Central
Police Headouarters at least once during the day, and on the morning _
of November *24, 1963, he left the Northeast Substation for the ostensibl
•purpose of delivering some overtime cards to the Central Headquarters.
He had not received an assignment to do this. ;>,
He arrived at the Cenxral Police Headquarters in Dallas at ^k
'about 11:00 AM driving an unmarked patrol car. He drove into the \
basement parking lot from the Main Street entrance and at that time _ ,^^
observed members of xhe Patrol Division being briefed on their trafric^
assignments as regards the transfer of the prisoner OSWALD. Ke was y_
wearing his uniform at the time," -> C,
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He parked at the north end of the basement and walked over .p^
to a group of officers that he recognized, V7hich included Sgt, J. A..^' ^
PUTNAM, Officer P. T. DEAN and Captain TALBERT. When the briefing V ^^
was concluded, he told Sgt. PUTNAM that he would help m any way ^e -^v,
could and was told that everything was in good shape but that he ^
could wait for a while with PUTNAM and DEAN. He had no definite ^
advance knowledge as to where they were taking the prisoner Dut x"
assumed it was to the County Jail. He waited for a few moments and vO;^
saw a number of police officers near the jail entrance to the parking j
lot and also approximately thirty-five to forty individuals who he \^'
assumed were newspaper reporters or radio and TV men. At that time a
he was standing in the northeast section of the garage. -^
A few moments after that, Lieut. PIERCE entered the garage, ..
driving a' black detective car, and PUTNAM waved to him and said, «i
Ex.No.5096 MAXEY,B.J, Deposition
Dallas 3-25-6-; .
12/2/63 , Dallas, Texas ^., . DL 44-1639
. 0} I . rilo tf
by Cpociol Agont R. NEIL QUIGLEY; Dcto dlciaiod ^^^^^^^
JOHN E, DALLMAN - LAC / ^^7
Tnls docuinont contolno nolther rooommendatlono nor concluolon. of tL FBI. Il U tho property o( th« FBI and la loanod to
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"Come with us". He walked up to PIERCE and asked if he could assist
and was told he should go with them as they v;ere going to escort the
armored car. VJith thr-t he got in the back seat of the car driven by
PIERCE and seated himself on the left-hand side of the vehicle. The
vehicle then started to leave the garage by the north entrance leading
jinto Main Street, but the area was full of reporters and it became
l^ecessary for PUTNAM to get out of the car. PUTNAM, v;ith the assistance
bf some Dallas reserve police officers, whose identity he did not know,
noved the people out of the v;ay and the vehicle was then driven up the
ramp to Main Street. During this time he saw no other vehicles in, or
Leave, the basement garage.
After entering Main Street, the vehicle made a left-hand turn,
■jent down Main to Harwood, went down Harv;ood to Commerce, and after
Turning left on Commerce, took a posit:}.on in front of the armored 'car
vhich was parked in the ramp at that location, leading from the basement.
^ few moments after the car had been positioned, he and the other
officers observed police officers apparently making an effort to seal
•:he exits of the police headquarters and City Hall building. He in
)articular noticed that there were reserve officers keeping people from
.eaving the new City Hall building. They then heard a broadcast over
:he police radio in their car requesting an ambulance be brought to the
;ity Hall basement. They then moved their car out of the ramp, and the
irmored car cleared out of the Commerce Street ramp, and a few moments
,ater an ambulance arrived and entered the basement. He and the other
)fficers in the car immediately proceeded to' Parkland Hospital and set
.D secuirity arrangements there where they stayed until it was learned
hat OSWALD had died.
At no time did he see JACK RUBY during his visit to the
;entral Police Headquarters on November 24, 1963. He recalled reading
'.n the newspaper and hearing accounts of the incident indicating that
,IUBY had slipped into the basement from the Main Street ramp. If this
/ere true it must have happened after he and the other officers had
iriven out of the basement because they saw no one entering the basem.ent
rem the Main Street ramp while they were driving up it, and it would
nave been physically impossible for anybody to walk by the car because
-if the narrowness of the ramp. He recalled as they were leaving the
; iain Street ramp, Officer R. E. VAUGHN was standing guard at the exit
:0 his right. He also recalled VAUGHN had made sure of his identity
^ isually as he drove down the Main Street ramp when he first arrived
t the Central Police Headquarters,
He also recalled when they left, that, in addition to- VAUGHN, --(^
n ex-police of f icer- by the name of (FNU) DANIELS, a Negro, was standing
o his left at the exit -of the ramp. He also believed that the head
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"shine boy", also a Negro, from' tht? Central Police Headquarters, was
standing in the vicinity of DANIELS (FNU).*
He did not personally require anybody to identify themselves
while in the basement, nor did he engage in conversation with anyone
other than the aforementioned police officers. He had no personal
knowledge of what security precautions had been taken although he
certainly felt they were adequate from what he saw in the basement
of the garage.
As concerns JACK RUBY," he first met him about two years ago.
On that occasion he was with his wife and had visited the Carousel in
downtown Dallas for strictly social purposes. He, of course, was
dressed in civilian clothes and, as he was leaving the night club,
RUBY asked him if he liked the showl He told him that he enjoyed it
and RUBY then asked him what business he was in, and he told him he
was with the Police Department. He also took his wife to the Vegas
Club on one occasion, but RUBY was not present at that time. He
personally does not like to be recognized as a police officer when
he is nightclubbing and never made it a point to seek RUBY out on the
two or three occasions he visited his night clubs. He never had any
occasion to visit them while he was on duty or in uniform and doubted
very much that RUBY would know who he is at this time.
He never worked for RUBY, nor does, he know of anyone presently
with„ the Police Department or in any way connected with the Police
Department who has worked for him. The last time he saw RUBY was
approximately one month ago at one of his night clubs, and he has
not seen him since that time. He did not see RUBY at any time on
Noveraber 24, 1963, He has heard very little concerning RUBY prior
to this time, knows nothing of his background, nor has he heard that
he ever carried a gun. After the shooting of OSWALD, he talked to
•one of the officers in the Special Services Division, whose name he
did not know, who told him that RUBY had caused them no trouble. He
knows nothing concerning LEE HARVEY OSWALD and had heard no mention of
him- prior to November 22, 1963, He knows of no relationship between
•■H^iS5E-Y and OSWALD, nor has he heard mention of any such relationship.
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612
Daocmbsr 3* 1963
fr. J. B* Gwrj
:hi«r of PoUo«
iiri
R«i Interview of Reserve Officer -J X
Sergeant R. L. VsAye - 862 > } J
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)a December 1, 1963« Reserve Officer Sergeant R. L. Mayo was
jiterviewed by the underslgnsd officers as to any information
le might have concerning the shooting of Lee Harvey Osvald
iot covered in Ms original report dated November 26^ 1963*
isrgeant f^ayo stated that his duty assignment was on Commerce
itreet across from the City Hall, He stated that an unknown
rhite male approximately 25 years of age attempted to enter
.he basement of the City Hall, This unknown male was wearing
. white streamer on his lapel. This streamer had the words
White House Press". Sergeant Mayo stated that he attempted
o refer this unknown to a regular police officer but this
Mlvidual declined stating that he did not want to be a
other.
ergeant Kayo further stated that this unknown individual
isappeared shortly- after the shooting of Oswald.
ergeant Hayo does not know Jack Ruby nor has he been eon-
acted by any Federal agency at this time .
Respectfully submitted.
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ack Revill
ieutenant. Special Service Bureau
MA^
F. I. Cornwall
Lieutenant, Special Service Bureau
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Mr. LC^^-N W. MAYO, 7203 Casa Lorr.a, Dallas, 14,
Texas, was telev^-.or.ically contacted to arrange an appoi:rr!isnt
for interviav? and advised as follows.
. i
He is a Sergeant in the Dallas Police Depart5:snt v. T
Reserves. On the aorning of Koveisber 24, 1963, he V7as on -^o'f
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duty as a Reserve Police Officer near the intersection of v > "^ ^ "^
I':'3^y,::rd"and Cornserce Streets, Dallas., Ke was not in the
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OSWALD was shot. Ke does not know JACK RUBY. ' C-!^ Jj
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ROBERT J. WILKISON - md 12''5=63
by Special A3ont ; — Da':o dictated
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rD-302 (R.,. ,^.M, ^-^ FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIcOoN
Mc, "?5 /^^/ D«t. l/S/SU
1 V ' 1
DAVE L. MILLER, 5610 Lewis Street, Ap.artment D, who
received' a letter from JACK RUBY following RUBY' s arrest,
advised as f oll'ows :
Mr. MILLER stated that he is manager of the Enquire
Shine and Press Shop, 1322 Commerce Street, which establishment
is owned by his brother, ISIDORE MILLER. Mr. MILLER further
informed that this establishment is located just two doors from
the Carousel Club where RUBY has been operating a strip-type
entertainment. He added that RUBY has regularly parked his
automobile in a garage located between the Carousel and MILLER'S
place of business.
MILLER stated that through his employment, he has known
RUBY for three years inasmuch as RUBY has regularly brought
laundry and dry cleaning to this place and, as a consequence, a
regular and continuous acquaintance has been developed. He
also stated that on two or three occasions he has visited the
Carousel Club as a customer but has never belonged to any of
ruby's clubs. RUBY also has dropped in from time to time on
his way to or from the Carousel Club to say hello and also to
have his shoes shined by one of the shoe shine boys.
MILLER advised that he has never discussed politics
with RUBY and knows him only as a friendly, congenial person.
MILLER stated that he last saw RUBY on two brief \
occasions, the first being about 5:30 PM on November 22, 1963,
when RUBY stopped by for just a minute or so on his way to or I
from the Carousel Club. At that time RUBY asked, "What do you
think about that S.O.B, shooting the President?" referring to
the assassination of President KENNEDY. He did not mention
OSWALD'S name and gave no indication that he ever saw or knew
OSWALD. He gave no indication that he was more upset over the
assassination than the average individual.
RUBY last appeared at MILLER' s place of business about
5:30 PM on November 23, 196 3, when he dropped in and asked MILLER
not to display a sign advertising the Carousel Club, explaining
that the club was closed due to the assassination. MILLER
explained that for som e time he has posted an advertisement for
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Miller, Dave.L. Exhibit 1
1/3/6U Dallas, Texas
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iMiLLEB (Dave L.) Exhibit No. 1
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H'JBY in miller's window on Saturday evenings. MILLER stated
that RUBY was walking and alone on each of the above-cited
occasions, but he assumed that RUBY had either just parked his
car in the adjacent garage or was going to get his car from
the garage.
MILLER stated that in the letter he received from"
RUBY following his incarceration, RUBY asked him to say hello
to SAM (HICKS) and DWAYNE (ARMSTRONG) and "the other boy", threi
colored shoe shine boys who knew RUBY only casually and as a
customer in their shoe shine business. The third boy*s name
MILLER has forgotten since he is no longer employed.
MILLER stated that he never knew LEE HARVEY OSWALD
and never had any reason to suspect that there was a relation-
ship or acquaintance between OSWALD and RUBY. He added that he
has no information concerning the shooting of OSWALD by RUBY on
of ruby's gaining entrance to the basement of the Police Depart:
ment prior to the shooting.
MIIXB31 (Dave L.) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
622
FO-_30! (R.v. 3-3-}«) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
It
-fix. No. 5013 MILLER,LouisD. Deposition-
Dallas 3-24-64
nnt„ 12-5-63
Mr. LOUIS D. MILLER , 1231 Revina, Garland, Texas,
was advised he did not have to make any statement, any
statenent he made could be used against him in a court of
law. He was advised of his right to talk to an attorney and
the identities of Special Agents ROBERT J. UIUCISON and
EDMOND C. HARDIN. No threats or promises were made to
KILLER.
MILLER advised as follows:
Ke is employed as a detective in the Dallas Police
apartment. Criminal Investigation Division, Juvenib
Bureau, Police Headquarters. On November 24, 1963, he v;orked
at 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. shift. '
A few minutes before the shooting of LEE KARVEY
03UALD, on November 24, 1963, he vjas on duty in the Juvenile
Department, Third Floor of • the Police Department. Someone
said for all officers to go to the basement. He does not
kncx7 who gave the order. Ke went to the basement, and upon
arrival, stood around in the hail corridor betvjeen the
elevator and the Jail Office for a few minutes. Detectives
> ^vb ATv CUTCHAW, LOI-SRY, HARRISON and GOOLSBY of the Juvenile
_^ \ '^'/Department were also on duty and all went to the basement
""^ (/. -a /with him. 'Word was passed to the officers to line up
Ijvl^o v/^/ along the ramp area and they all did so. He does not'
?<:^A y ^"^^^ "^° ^^^^ ^^'^ order. There were a large number of officers
^ A. h5 °^ °^^ ^^^'^ °^ ^^""^ ramp, exact number not recalled. A large
* O n-omber of press and TV representatives personnel V7ere in the
basement, exact number not knovm to him. Many of the press and
TV personnel were along the opposite side of the ramp from
the police officers. Ke vjas not assigned to the ramp area
but was stationed to the left of the Jail office door.
MILLER was stationed to the left of the Jail Office
door for about five minutes before OSWALD was brought through that
12-3-63 Dallas, Texas ' , ^L 44-1639
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ROBERT J. WILKISON & EDMOND C. 12-5-63
by Spociol Asonf HARD IN - P^d ^ Data dietotod
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This clocuaent contalna nolther rocomm*ndation8 nor concluaiona of tho FBI. It U th« prop«rly of th« FBI ond la iooned to
your agoacy; U aad ita contaota ara not to ba dUtributad outsldo your agaacy.
Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5013
623
DL 44-1539
araa Co ha transferred to the County Jail. Detective
CUTCKAU vjas standing on the other side of the Jail Office
doorv/ay V7hich was on the VJest side and Detective McMILLEN
was stationed i-.ext to MILLER.
As OSVJALD was escorted pc-t, he and Detective
McMILLEN started to move along the vjall of the Booking
Office behind OSWALD and the people. The lights frcm the
TV\ cameras v;3re very bright in the ramp area. A few seconds
later, he saw a biur out of the corner of his eye, and at that
instant p. the thought ran through his mind that some . .
TV or radio man v;as running up to QSVJALD with a microphone. At
about the same time, he heard a shot. As the shot "sounded,
CSUALD and the escorting police officers seem to fa LI tov7ard
the floor or^ ir.ove a little to their right. At the sarr.e time,
several officers converged upon that spot and someone must
have hit RUBY, since R.UBY vjas propelled, in his direction.
MZLLSR was also moving toward the spot of the "shooting. Ke
grabbed RJ3Y by the neck and believes scr^s other officer had a
hold of ruby's arm and v;as trying to get a pistol av7ay from
RUBY, which RUBY was still holding; Ke did not notice what
type of pistol RUBY had, as he did not get a very good look
at it. At the same time a large number of officers also converged,
on. RUBY and RUBY V7as disarmed and taken into the jail office. The
entire incident took place in a matter of seconds.
When the officers were sent to the ramp area prior
to OSWALD being brought do^ra, there were officers stationed
on both sides of the ramp.
Ke had never previously seen OSWALD except on TV
after the assassination of President JOHN F. KENNEDY. Ke did
not personally know JACK RUBY and does not believe he had ever
seen him prior to the shooting.
Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5013 — Continued
624
DL 44-1639
When RUBY shot OSWALD, the escorting officers and
OSWALD were approximately three or four steps from him. However,
the backs of OSWALD and the officers were to him. He does not
recall exactly v^hat he v;as looking at when the shot sounded.
Police Department regulations do not permit officers
to x-7ork off duty in a place where alcoholic beverages
are served. Re never worked for RUBY or in any of RUBY's
night club. He does not know of any police officers who ever v;orked
for RUBY. -. . •
There were a large number of police officers in the
basement earlier prior to the shooting, but he has no idea
how many officers were present. He had no reason to check anyone
in the basement since the security checks were made at
entrances to the basement as far as he knows ,. However , he was not-
familiar with the security measures that V7ere in effect. He
does not know of any unauthorized persons that were permitted
entrance to the basement or of any one permitted to enter without
shov7ing identification. He saw no suspicious people in the
biasement prior to the shooting.
He has no knowledge of any relatriBhip 'between
JACK RUBY and LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
MILLER flaid ho hnrl nn nH-wn- Y'PrrJr , ^ , r\r l'nfo-^"^^tr4 ^=M^
concerulii^ the 6hootin& ul - OGW/iLD.
Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5013 — Continued
626
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'November 26, 1963
"Mr, J. E. Curry
Chief of Police
Subject; Shooting of Harvey Osvrald
"Sir:
"On Sunday November 24, 1963 when px'isoner Harvey Oswald
was being brought from the Jail into the basement I was
standing on the east side of the d6or to the Jail office.
Detective Cutcbshaw was on the west side of the door and
Detective McMillan was standing next to me.
"I saw the movement of a peson comi^zg across the ramp from the
east of me and heard a shot at about the same time. This person
was hit from behind and propelled in my direction. I grabbed
him around the neck and helped to take him into the Jail
office. When I first made contact with this person he still
bad a pistol in bis band.
"I did not know this person and to my knowledge bacl never seen
him before.
<**Respeotf ully Submitted
/s/ Louis D. Miller
: Louis D. Miller 1236
DetiBictive
Criminal Investigation Division*^
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_fx.No. 5014 MILLER,Louis D. Deposition
Dallas 3-2A-64
Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5014
626
"~ Joe R. Molina
Exhibit A
Mf>rch 31, 1964
Dallas, T«»xas
Thp '7f!rren Commissi'*!!
C/O U.S. District Atty.
Baref 9 )t Spnriers
?ed<»rpT Building
Dnllfls, TrxpR
Gpntlrmrn;
I T"-ish t« rnter int-a th*" c immittec? r'^cord my story
oncffrninfT the pftermoth Qf the trpgi c events of
!7ovember ^2, 19fi3. ♦•• .. .^^.-<-'-
I was accused, libled, r<,nd Ipter my i" O'b o:f Ifi ye^rs
vas terminated at the Texps jchi)l 3)-)'n L'e^Tosit ory
due t«» unfair things said ahmt me.
I think it «)nly fair pnd iu^t i-f inb] e that my testimoney
should be part •f your records s'> that I may be
clear"'^ and exonerated of tlie false rumors that were
heard fr<»m c^ast to coast.
Yours trulv,
Joe R. M->] ina
4 306 Bro-p-n
Dallp«, Texas 159A9
Molina Exhibit A
627
MONTGOMEBY EJxHIBIT NO. 5004
628
FD.302 (Hov. 3-3-S9) hcDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1 I Dato 12/5/63
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In addition to information previously given. Detective
L. D. MONTGOMERY, Homicide and Robbery Bureau of the Dallas Police
Department, advised that he arrived on-duty at approximately 8:00 AM
and was in the Homicide office up uptil they got ready to move
OSVJALD down to the County Jail. He stated that Captain FRITZ, in
charge of the Homicide Bureau, instructed him to follow Detective
LEAVELLE and Detective GRAVES as they escorted OSWALD from the
third floor down to the basement and out to the. car,- -which was to
transport him to the County Jail. He advised he did not see the
shooting inasmuch as OSVJALD and the detectives mentioned were
directly in front of him. He stated he savT a blur there and they
were struggling in subduing RUBY.
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He stated they had known RUBY for several years, casually,
inasmuch as when he v;as in the Patrol Division he used to cover the
district where the Vegas Club operated by RUBY is located on Oak
Lawn Street. He advised he had not seen RUBY for at least tv;o years
prior to the time of the shooting. He stated when they got out of
the elevators and came out of the jail office, the officers, as v/ell
as nev7smen, photographers and TV cameramen, were already there and
he did not pay any attention to them and could not say whether or not
he knew any of them in the crowd. He stated he was not present when
these people were admitted to the basement and does not know what means
were taken to identify them;. He knew nothing of the security measures
taken other than what his immediate assignment was. He had no infor-
mation concerning any relationsl^ip between RUBY ai>d OSWALD.
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-Ex.No.5005 MONTGQMERY,L.C. Depositigi
Dallas 3-2A-64
12/1./53 „. Dallas, Texas _., ,, DL i*t-1539
JAMES C. KENNEDY and
by Spocioi Agents LEO L. ROBERTSON - LAC p^^^ dictated 12/4/63
This document contain* nolthor racoDmandaUons nor cbnclusiona o< Wt FBI. It 1> Iha propacty of Iha FBI and U loaned to
your a«onc/; »t and Its coolant* ara not to ba diattitiutad pul^tda your aganfiy,
Montgomery Exhibit No. 5005
629
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_Ex.No.5006 mUTQUlAHuiYfL.Q. I/eposixioi
Dallas 3-2i;~64
FEDERAL DU.^EAU OF INVuSVlGATiO:>!
Detec'iivo L. D. IIOIITCICII^T:! , SGiS Anr.con:"..-,
S-allr.o, Hoaicide and Robbiry Burcr.u, ■r.dvi:;cd th-^.t r.bout •
11:15 a.x., ICovcmbor 24, 19G3 , L~: ili:iV2" CJV.'AID •,■;.-■ s tulxen
iron the Koniicide and Kobbory Eurcau by Detect ivco Tj. C.
Gl"l.*i\i;S r.nd J. P.. LniWL'LLIj . OST.V.LIi v/as hr.ndcufxod. to the
left hand of hZIiVSLir: and GrJlVZ3 had hold ox OSV/AID's
loft arr:. Lioutenant R, S. S'lVAII; and C.iptain J. ".■;. P2ITZ
wera in front of them and he (KOI'.TGO;."";",/) brourjht up tho
rear. All proceeded from the third floor of the City
Kali Diildins" to the jail of f ica in tho bascL.oat via
jail elevator. I!01;TGC:2]I1Y stated that upoa arriving;
at the jail office door leadinj;: ;rJ;o the bascincnt corridor
and under j:round parking area, tho two officers v.-ith
0S'.7ALD cotv.-a3n them and tlOIITGOLrALi follov/ing, hoslt-itcd
before joins into the corridor v.hilo Captain J, vr, IFZIIZ
double checked v/ith Chief to sec that' the area \Yas clear.
Ka stated that after bains advised that ever3,-thin?; v/as
airicht, Captain Fr^ITZ told thGm to coao on. Ho stated that
the t-.vo officers v/ith OST;AIJ>, follov/ad by hir.self , proceeded
inxo tho coi-ridor loading to tho undoz'ground parhir.:j area
and ■..■all:cd appro::iraately eight to ton feet to got into the
transportation car. He- advis-ad they hesitated r.c:-ontarily
for the car to finish backing up, at which tiv-.o J.CJI 1S20H
rjJ3\', v.'ho apparently had been standing among tho uot/s -lOdia
about eight feot away, ran up to OSV/AI-D v/ith pistol in hand
and shot 03V/ALD point blank in tho stomach.. 1I0::TC0:.II;:".7
stated that he was to the rear of OS'.AILD at tho ti-o of
tho sbcox-^-T r„nd saw G?-\'<r2S grab the pistol in P.U^Y's
h:.:..: :-t; .AAD and Gr.'lVZS fell to tho pavoi-ont. :.:0:;TCC:r:~A"
sta-:_a c::. t ho canio around from tho side of Gr:^lVA3 and . ' --.
grabbed ilUSY at tha samo time soveral other officers grabbed
hin.
::3ICTGO:!r;r.Y advised that the ramp, area had reported:.;'
boea cleared of all individuals except ne\:s Licdia and officers
spocificaliy assigned to the security of transfer detail, ■
prior to their escorting OSV/ALD into tho area.
11/2-1/C3 . Dallas, To;-:as , _., ,, DL 4':-1639
f.-v
L c • I . . • j/ns t;. Eociaiour Avvm n . .- . . . 11/24/03
by Special A;cnt " " •' * ^'-'■-'"^«^"* / '"^ Dato clictclcd '
'■ Thl* doeuBonl coniolno noilhcr taci ^^^^iaxlons nor eonclunlonii of Iho FBI. It U Ih- _ -ic.-ly c/ thj rZl and is Ic
^ • your cgoncy; il end ita ccntcnto cro coMr » V-s diat-I^uiod outaldo your aa«ncy, copy
Montgomery Exhibit No. 5006
630
CIVY O? DALLAS
i£?vO?2?.TY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT
^ HJ-I. Moore; VJ. E. POTTS; P. M, TUTttffiRj
BILL SE:jKEL, Homicide Bureau
Henry M. Moore
Exhibit 1
November 25
-19.
63
Recoivod of,
§ recovered stolen property:
Evidence in Offense No
-the'followJn? described articles.
-Arrest No_
■Charge T'^irder
I QUANTITY
K, Osv.'ald P.O. Box 30061, Neiv
\OVj.ec.i:ij, iva,, 9/lS/u5 -„'''^00 —
-^Letter on letterhead Socialists
- . ■ ■'oi- ' kGr ' O Pcrty ll/3/o3 - to - Lgo - II.; -
Osv;ald Box 291p, Dallas, signed
i^ele aa e d -
■132-
#^01
t-t-.er i^T'on 1=^0B CHESTER to Lee }
Os-vald Dalian, Tex., stating Osv.'a
letter turned over to h±n by
Id's
Letter from V.T. Lee, National
or, t'rCC, WeW )ioV\<., 3/'^'2/03
Ho Oswald, Nev; Orleans #403
Direct
to Lee
Letter from Louis VJeinsoocK:, Gen
Manager of She Worker dated
12/19/62
aaoreiiiaG co i_,fce a, OSTTSftDJTTtJT
Box 2915, Dallas, Texas #404
12/13/62 addressed to Lee H. Osv;aCLd
-5e-: : 2^13, Dr.ll -ar O, on lott -^-yi^gted— og —
Gus Hall-Benjamin J. Davis, Defense
X
'-/;/.■' / '-/ /
ivLir&7lZIS^E3i^rrr5I?;
-i£ D,ui;V; »:ijcf: r;?-:":?rf.
Letter from Arnold Johnson
Information and Lecture Bureau,
director
7ofi
■3r
OP, USA "J^l/eS to L.H. Oswald
P.O.Box 30061, NO La
■^y>
7#4o|s v;*
OyTMIS
3-oage letter from V.T. Lee, A'acipnal^-V-'-
Direct.or^, PPCC, New York, to Lee H. .-^'•' ^'^
-iV.r <S'
<.:>^.;V /J
HEftEOfi.
.ry
4i>u/ wc-tfjazltie 5o.
V
"New
;J(>^C. 7/7.'.% ^./ft -j/?./^/
Orleanb 5/29/63
//407 '^"■"^"
xtciiis: "vregg
20,000 Wordsj by Leslie
ahortnand aa^aonary;
; T^oberts
^
^..
■■■ss.-!- ^. . ((^i y"" • ,,?:^^.
Order Pti
evl&ea ' v^yth Annlv
#408
Edn
Arrested: Lee Harvey Osv/ald w/:
Dallas . Texas
V24
Search Warrant dated II/23/63, ld26 No. Beckley, Dallas, Texas
'xnis inventory was made & invoice typed In FBI OiTice, Dallas, Texas.
H. W. HILL
Inv. continued on 11195Q . \
' neither evidence aor recovered stolen property, 'wnte on face of this form in detail reason for police possession.
Moore Exhibit No. 1
Prsparty CUrk
631
:^.-=c.^p<^»7 ^ POLSC2 DiH?ARTA/l2^ST
CITV or DALLAS
??vO?S?.TY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT
iicceivcd of_
H.M. Moore; VJ, E. Potts; F. M, Turner;
Bill Senkel, Komlcide Bureau
November 26
_ia
63
§ recovered stolen property:
Evidence in Offense No.
-Arresii? No._
the-following- described articles,
-. >:urder
_Ch arge — — .
,(?UANTJTr
^iv, i^^xy^u'
I (USSR and CoiTirnunioni/: an<^ Klstorlckl"
7/--^09l RdltiiiSiUU
i:
*?ocketbooks editions by Ian Fle.^ifig,
■■■ - . I . >. .■■<■■ .. .> . t ; -^ — f 11,1. 'A n, , , . rp , , , , .:; 1 -' n ■
one enoitittu ^IfTE~"Sp3?7'tftro~"Ecr7eU'
and the other ^^Live and Let Die"
^
-Paiuohlet Nsv; York Schooa. I'or " ,
\:.:arxist Study, Pall Terni, I9S3 #^11
pLe c oer on leuoer'iieau oT o«tiuj.o r.uatie
or Studies, Mobile, Alabama, 8/22/63
XC-SN""
#412
Oswald 2703 Mercedes Avenue, F1
V.'orth postmarked New York v;ith
rerur-n address Rm 329, 799 Broaav;^y,
' ancSiev/spaper clipping Times
x'lcayuae, ReVnzrrXginTS^ v.'xth cvi'uioM-e
reflecting Oswald »=•> fine of $10
"Ti or x6 vTsy^ foi' i:.j.s 'CTTrrTrg— porzrt^^YF
-\ Handbill P?CC New Orleans VJith
^
address L.H. OswaiQ 49u7 togazme
St., New Orleans, La., }'p'/ #4l4
-■ /.
jf;EC
xnvoice oi' tne jones ^rxuciiig uoinoaay, •^' ^
422 Girod St.,_^NOLa. 6/Vo3j,^^ | -<4" ^.,|.>
1,0 v\l ' „ — UiJUOi'lJc: x'or »;,vOOO"
F?CC circulars, total $9.66, bal.
;^jkrv^--o.:^l/ >^
"^Z ALL
F THE ARTIC*.£3 !^V Ph<'
1 MFPrT*-". ■
\^
j^FPCc' application' Slip ii/Xi?/ #416
ilo:
Jiiti
^f^'.rt; <->T T nrri nffs
g^"-Av|^^^.-;. /^-^d:.^^<c^
r
regarding Oswald \ defection to
-PM.g.cIa and r>thfir>-\n(jirp clip pings
"^0; £S$■4^t-^■^5'^-V^.4^.■a^ r
concerning Osvrald a^d cartoon _
, rerqrrdin.g: defectors #417
-^1
~OsDrlvers handbook state of Texas
Arrested: Lee Harvey Oswala \}/xA/'d^
Dallas, Texas
Search V/arrant'oatea iJ./iij/6j, x^'Ao iNo. riedicxey, i;aj.las, Texas
This inventory was made & invoice typed InFBI Office, Dallas^ Texas.
H. W.HILL
J\.V 11195 @
Pro^srly Clark
If neither evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnto on face of this form in detail reason for police possession.
■ ZSl ■
MooBE Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
682
Term C?S— PC— t«T
POLIC2 D2?A:^TAA5-^aT
CITY O? DALLAS
FP.OPE?.TY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT •
c
H. M. Moore; \1. S. Potts; P. K. Turner;
Bill Senkel, Homicide Bureau
^/^
yoveni'DGr 2o in 63
Received of.
§ recovered stolen property:
Evidence in O.Ter.so Ko
-the'followinj described articles,
-Arrest No..
.Charge.
>?arder
ColTJ
PUANTITT
ly. j-o-Jl^iju
scriot contained in Osv.'ald-s Kane
jbeaflo u -
U.S. I-Iarlne Coros document aopoint-
:'.:n ld 1 653230 Z??-! '!
Pv3.l£t CIS 3/9/59
Osv.-ald Ko. 1 653 230 satisfactorily
-n.-'ssed snecialized course in Aircrafi
Control and 'Earning Operator lb J)ine,
1957, Keisle-/r AF3, fl-'^Sl
Receipts Texas School Booic iJeposlpory
for salary Lee K.Osv/ald no date
Typev;ritten proraise to pay loan fjor
of State 3/9/63 raade out in name
-0=^ — 1=^ u . ---^ k^^.;-c: ^ G ,/ . -xj^T-
Ai
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Le
etter from Embassy USSR, VJashingp
on J
aa.
^.
y.
I i
8/5/63 in Russian language #;2^
IIr.c5sir?ble Discharge U.SMC. 9/ l3/pO
Lee Harvey Oswald I65323O f;-'^25|
Letter U.S. Navy Lee Osv:ald I'linskJ
1 nus:::a, signea oy K. hcG. 'i'nor^oicina
\ BriGadi'Dr General, U SM C 3/1 / f'^vji'^p ,.-4
■iJL
1= DALLVi ;•;.>.
ic-o^ci' froiii x>epov oj. ivavy 77^57^ '^z THIS .'..i~-.'.>.0.''tY Of-l.''.:.2._...194=:-^
to Lee Osv^ala, Nev/ Orleans,
charge v:arranted
Security to Lee Oswald SSN
Ji33_5iL3232_n^J2t±rL£nt_xiaJb£.
#427
■s^pioyscati
4^
/£!
ALL j).g TUF ,\.7TiCl.':.'= Of P'-''\'--Fr m
ti-IST! D HEREOF.
a.
-AC*
/T
*i-<-^:.^.'.-.:_LSSu
L-iil
... i/-^ /ir.^. ^hf^^_ ,
address 757 France St., NO La
■#428
'I^,
8/1/63 to Oswald on letterhead of
Alabama,
OTXrrxtrr
#429
Arrestee: Lee harvey Oswaia w/m/
jZjT
o
Search Warrant dated 11/23/63, 1026 No. Beckley, Dallas, Texas
This inventory vfas made & Invoice typed in FBI Office, Dallas, Texas.
O -^ -] -^ fii /? /7* "^^ — W*^ — HILL
H9 1119S
Property Qtrk
li neither evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnta on face of this form in detail reason for police possession.
Moose Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
63H
CiTY or DALLAS
^2I^0?E?vTY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT
November 2o
K.M. I'loore; W, E. Potts; F.M, Turr.erj
Received c, f T^lll Senkel. Homicide Bureau
§ recovered stolen property:
Evidence in. Offense No___ Arres? No
.19.
63
-the'foUowing' described articles,
ICurder
.Charffa
crcjnvrrrueir"!*?"^:^" x."iv . ixx^^oci —
OUANTir/ ARTICLE
DISPOSITION
House oi"" Studies Mobile, dated
and Koreno signed GENE
#430 Released
^1
Letter on stationary or peter P.
Gregory Ft. Worth, Tex., 6/19/62
a'G'Gesoing to usv/axu-s aoixioy as
Russian Interpretor and translate
-i
\
j.-4_3X-
Envelope containlns receiot for
-;^G-e v Ofricc So; : 622 3 :. H ar llao, Tc
dated EW/M/' 11/11/63 for period
2/Sv^
^32-
^
Sinsle sheet In Prussian script
cnntp^nincc Osvfald's name bearing
il
Ho. 4-5 ^OB s-433
Sheet folded in half v.'hlch appear
to be RusLiian identifica'cion
document No. 332281 bearing the
name oi' usv/aia in Kusaxan sci^o'JT
//434
i
r UJ...1 OTKrrjrrTs^nTcrrciTC arro uj.u.»iA.
spaces for stamos in Russian
-3ra-r<y^a§e-^A 'lth no. ^ 01311555 /f^l 35
Folded Russian language form
bpar-in,": Nn. 01311655 v:lt .h
^._^ /i/66j>i4.cl/
Z DAL.
.."Oi iic/ro^riA'
^i.
4,
Osv.'ald'S name in Russian sciiot
>?J! I. 0- TH£ ARTICLES 05 P;<Ci.->i;rn'Y
Legal sized sheet in purple ink
bearing dated 3/22/62 v/ith an
ofi'iciai sT;amp ^/ ^537 \ "j ''lAMt
Letter by Johnny Tackett on lette ?- /^
'^^
USTElJ' H£R£0«.
0. /.^-^-
-^
:■ J ■ 'f?f\
t/r/
^
ii
;it:au ojI i''t. w or tin iress o/dti/o'd
addressed to Lee Oswald in
■X^^c?/- >.<S^-..
s&w^S.
-eft\'i lopc of Fv . Uorth - press. — y43Q ~
Arrested; Lee Harvey Oswald {i/m/9.k-
Sea;
Dallas, Texas
:'ch V.^arrant dated 11/23/63 1026 No. Becj<:ley, Dallas, Texas
'i'nis invjentory was made & Invoice typed ln|FBI Offltej Dallas, Texas
^O"? iiiS7 . g
H. W. Hill
PrajMrty CXu\.
If neither evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnte on face of this form in detail reason for police possession.
Moore Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
634
r«=«^i-c-«„ ' pome;] DSPAiiTiUSNT
CITY Or DALLAS
^^0?E?.TY CLERK'S INVOICS OR RECEIPT
tj H.M. I-'oore; W. E. Potts; P. M. Turner;
^!r • J . Bill Senkel, Koaiclde Bureau .^ , „ . , -u j _x- ,
Received of i ■. the'foUowinff descnbed articles,
§ recovered stolen property:
JMrder
Noveajber 2o
.19.
63
Evidence in OfTenso No„
-Arresi'N'o—
.Charge.
^<''m^?f ^^t"" ^=^^- ^i^57G^,„^,^
Chiies'^Stovaii^"incr,r)alias7"l727o3;
BIN NO. I
Oiieans, 5/31/^^5
#^39
^27^5^
440
Released
to Lee H. Osvjald Minsk, Russia
^^
Articles: -^One payroll vouche:
Leslie Uelding Company, Inc.,
a
J.1241 V;. i-lelrose, i'ranKlin jr'ark,
.Illinois, No. 7619, dated 10/l3/6£
(-one wiunnoxumg i-'eu. Tay. 6ixp
addressed Lee H. Oswald 3519
U.S. Armed Forces Institute,
^i^^c^a^
kighsciiool level tests 3/23/59 fr^^2
5/3/57 that Osv7ald Pvt. 1653230 USMC
con^nleted Elect-Electron. .OccuDat-;onal
4
Group course, Jacksonville #44,
VJorld Health Organisation Vacc.
Card D earing name Lee Osv/aia wi'^n
name of vaccinator as A. J. HldeSJi
if .0, sox 3OOI0, Kcv; Orlcuiib La.,
date stamped 6/8/63
#44^.
^TTToS^
ijetter I'rom Josepn Task on ie'ci;erneaO-^- v-^ :
ofSoc l allsts Workers Paiiy 3/27/ 6 ^ .J/
"uii'cc Lcii I/O Lcc n« Oawaiu P.O. jldua ^^ H-rrtr
2915 . Dallas #445 -v^'-^-L C
ir-assoorc i\!o, DOi^ii^iio m tne name dr ^ '-••
Lee Plarvey Osvxald dob 10/l8/397r444 •- ^;".,,,vp,
i-c uA.i.y'^ii j<>L:<r.: t;£.7'A,"; rir;£::«.T
3
— --.i-'rtf or— ..:. jy
F THE ARTICLES Of flVC'ESTV'
^ . '■i LKEOi.;;
>cpai'a.oioii TtTrili U,i.i';ax'xae Coi'ps
in name of Lee Harvey Oswald datec
-1 L^^. 1959 77="^
Birth certificate No. 17034 for
jJa-?^^ y O s^'^ j.d r o^ leotins - bir
'vonR
ss
...i/^ .^r" . 9 s-?"-
i H
10/16/39 Polio 1321, Book No. 20
101
Arrested: Lee Harvey Oswald w/m/'24
('Search Warrant dated 11/23/63, 1026 No. Beckley, Dallas, Texas
r' ihis inventory was made & invoice typed in FBI Office, Dallas, Texas
M 111S8 g —
Property Clark
fropofty (.
H. W. HILL
• . \
icithcr evidence fior recovered stolen property, vnte on face of this form in detail reason for police possession.
Moore Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
635
>^™c?^i.c-»r ■'• POUCH D2?AK?i\AE^3T.
CITY O.- DALLAS
?P.0?2?.TY CLERX'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT
H.M. Moore; V7. E. Potts; IT, M. Turner; -
November2o
.19_
63
, ^3111 Senkel, Homicide Bureau
Q Of
iiCCC:;VO
§ recovered stolen property:
Eviccnco in Offense No
_the'folIowinj described juiicles.
.Arrept No_
.Charge_JMS^££_
Coriuiriuea rroa xnv TIT^oG
OUANVIVY ARTICLE
T
EIN NO.
the name^-of Lee H. Gsv;ald #4^9 R
eleased
Osizald ?-nd ione "6? nil
I
iKooXX
! Lie
enseJ^
v/ixe)~^OTo scenic shots, "'a Mexican
Airmail Stamp and -I'leiv Orleans
Library card No. NA i\dO:;U m ■one
(haiTie of Lee H« Osvyald / <i451
;i£V/ins Ki'G v/iyn rae'cax (/reiiixouii;
Mexican 20 ceht piece, ^package of
:>J -^ ■ . ■ .1" • T -T - . 'M'JT^
JS
Jl
i"f*;Jorld Atlas; The Catholic
-tJritins tablet (Fifth Avenue )#454
■^^^ bo euro Gily-lfcTr-drxc-crr^, ^
Russian sta^-nos and one 10 cent
-(i/ic;
Blue plastic- 2 zipper compartments -
~i-;an-s ■can spor'csniro Voriarlooii
Tracitionals by Enro,"
Pair raan-s blue snores
"acea gra^v i>xac»<.s ( iTOY
rTo— rxppcoy
//^^i/i'Ac'./L
i-/hite with flov/er design - light ^reen
trin Dillov; case I
y.s^"'f it n^Mi^^^ ['OiJv^vtrA^n^c
3.-
:3!
Had, v.'hite & pink stdpe hand towels '^. _
Red;G;v;hite stripe bath tov;els '^ '.'. ,'
Vjhi'ce nanokerchiei's
2-tone gray with red stripe handkjerchiei
Yexj-ov; £: v/hite wa.sn rags
J-ffiite T-shirts ^
- - -'-"j-e— sj^^c: e r e;:t -r c
^f^^
X.
ED H£R£0f<,
Pairs socks - brown-v/hite-tan
Pa i r brown .cjo th ^wpr k gloyg s _ __
Paxr rnari'^s ^laclc low c'uar^er sHoes "Jonn''i-^ar5y Braii
Pair man's shoes "Thongs style"
"^t^rov.'n&vei.i.ov/, goia Kussian make poroaoxe^ra
Dnicnowh exectronic device - BrowrJ pxasxilc ^
, Jallas. /rfexas , ,
J?. citT-.h-J'^g •^■^?>jit_d.gjLejUJ-./S3./o^ • 1026 . No - . . Beckley , Da
case - broken
lias, Texas'
This inventory was made & invoice typed in FBI .Office, Dallas, Texas
H. ¥.KILL
6J9 iiiS9 g ' — :
Fropsrty Clwk
aelthcr cvidcnco cor recovered stolen property, write on face of this form in detail reason for police possession.
MooBE Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
636
CITY O? DALLAS
* PP.0P2RTY CLEP.K'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT
:":o:cIvcd of
H. M. rroore; VJ. E. Potts; P. M.. Turner;
.Bill Senkel^Koraicide Bureau
Nocember 26
.19.
63
■J recovered stolen property:
EvJcIcr.co in Offense No
-Arrest No..
the'followinff described articles,
.Charse_Bi£l££
o o K t^ ^ iTcrcw *rA
[JANTiTY
w.j xrr? ij."X5;"5fcr
Bo-otlos'''SnuiDO£"''''?eni;ic:s~4D'0"'''
iiar Dink L'a>: soao
DISPOSITION
Single DJ-adS Drov;.i ::ia:'iG:L(i pccZet-^iinixe
Pair, tvr.eezers j.n plastic box
V.):^.-
S^
V^T
Cr.n. Tidy deodorant oov;cer
1
j'art/ial ■cube Colgate oen^al crecu-n|
Pla stic bottle Mum nlst spray deo dorant
Partial cake pxnk soao
br.iall nand orusn , ,,
p L^;,\i C; vi'o v . v. :33 -' a tt%-&i:> atlc -" Oall point per
-vy Small ]oairT5c;L5sor5 . . ,
V^i ■ ,iiaci-:a.f^^^Gille^ore pluf^ blades.
iif-Zidle, — &C.
Pair biack" rim green l^n's sunglasses ^'
^.raers Electric Co-Cp xnc Aqv jiailpoint .p
ev;ci river
-V-:d
C — " •) -[ ->-, "T ,
Nail cllooers
Paoiock K'ey on key chain
--v^
plastic euo
r'ar'cl.^.j. oube foille
I'icvvJLCO ur
T^y^CTT'JUJ/-
-/
^ 4?///. .'/o/ /^
f
11^
i]^
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Ineithcr evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnta on f aca of^lMs^orm in detail reason for police possession.
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ACTIVITIES OF DORIS NELSON, R.N,, BEGINNING
12:00 NOON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 1963
At approximately 12:00 Noon I returned from lunch, and proceeded to check
the various areas in the Emergency Room, At approximately 12:33 P.M. I
answered the phone which was ringing in the Major Surgery Nurses' Station.
Mrs. Bartlett, the telephone operator, informed me that the President had
been shot, and was being brought to the hospital. I told her to "stop
kidding me". She said "I am not. I have the police dispatcher on the line."
I thanlced her, and immediately hung up the phone.
I asked Dr. Dulaney, the Surgery Resident, to come xaco Trauma Room # 1, and
that I wished to talk with him because I did not wish to alert everyone which
might have caused general pandemonium in the Emergency Room. I informed Mrs.
Standridge, and she told me that Room # 1 was set up so I proceeded into Room # 2,
and had opened one bottle of Ringer's Lactate when I heard someone call for
carriages.
Seconds later. Governor Connally was brought into Room ^^ 2, I opened his shirt,
and saw that he had received a gunshot wound of the chest. Mrs. Standridge was
in the room assisting the doctor so as I walked out of the room co check on the
President, he was wheeled into Trauma Room #1, I checked in th. room to deter-
mine what type of injury he had sustained, and was asked by the Secret Service to
screen all personnel at the doorway leading to the trauma rooms. In the meantime,
I answered the phone in the Surgery Nurses ' Station,' and Dr, Baxter was on the
line. He asked what we wanted, I told him that the President had been shot, and
he said "Yes - what else is new?" I said: "Get down here", and he said: "I'm on
my way,"
I stood at the doorway with a city policeman and secret service agent, and screened
each doctor that went into the area, I offered to get Mrs. Kennedy, who was sittiii
outside of Trauma Room # 1, a towel, and asked her if she would like to remove her
gloves which were saturated with blood. She said: "No thank you, I'm alright". On
one occasion she got up, and went into the room the President was in. I went in,
and asked her if she had rather wait outside, and she said "no". One of the secret
service men said to let her stay in the room. She came out shortly thereafter.
Several I^ite House aides and secretaries came in, and embraced Mrs. Kennedy, and
believe Mrs. Lyndon Johnson was among them.
Dr, Kemp Clark arrived. The cardio-verter was carried into the room, and Dr. Jenk;
from Anesthesia came with an anesthesia cart.
Shortly after Dr, Clark arrived, two priests arrived, and gave the President last
rites. Dr, Clark came out of the room, and talked briefly with Mrs, Kennedy, The»
the priest came out, and I talked with the First Lady also,
I was informed by Dr, Clark of the President's expiration. I asked Mrs. Standridgi
to obtain a death certificate for Dr, Clark to complete, I asked a doctor with th«
Presidential Staff as to arrangements he wished carried out concerning the body.
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he President's doctor informed me that arrangements had been made to obtain
casket for the body. Shortly afterwards, Mr. O'Neal of the O'Neal Ambulance
ompany, arrived with a bronze casket. Miss Hinchliffe came out, and asked for
ome plastic to put inside the casket. I sent Mrs. Hutton to the 2nd floor to
btain a plastic mattress cover. I went in Trauma Room # 1 to determine that all
as in order while Mrs, Ellis stood in the doorway, I asked David Sanders to
ssist the nurses in preparing the President's body before placing it in the
askcc. I Instructed the nurses and attendants to clean up the room, and mop the
loor.
fter Mr, O'Neal, and some of the boys who work with him, (only one of whose name
knew - Audrey Riker) placed the President in the casket, and closed it. Mrs,
ennedy went in, and sat in a chair beside it leaning her head on the casket,
t approximately 2:10 P.M., the President's body was taken out of the Emergency Room,
rs, Kennedy was walking beside it. All of the secret service apents left the area,
lortly after they left. Miss Bowron informed me that she took the President's watch
ff so the doctor could start an intravenous, that she placed the watch in her
3cket, and did not think of it until everyone had left. She went out front to find
^meone, and saw Mr. Wright so she gave the watch to him,
gave a blue coat containing a white envelope labeled "cash" found, and a card with
16 name "Clint Hill" to one of the secret service men,
len the presidential staff left, Mr. Price obtained coffee for us, and we went into
J office, drank about two sips, smoked about two puffs from a cigarette. Then I
ide ounds, and informed the registration desk that we were seeing all patients.
:s. Wright came down shortly after that, and I reviewed with her briefly the past
cperience,
went to coffee with Mrs. Berger. Then I went to the Nursing Service Office, and
is told that all supervisors were to attend a meeting in Miss Beck's office at 3:30
.M.
returned to the Emergency Room, and asked all personnel on the 7-3:30 shift to re-
)rt to my office. Mr. Geilich came in my office while I was talking to them. I
;ked them not to discuss the past events with anyone, and if any of the nurses were
iproached by a member of the press that they were to obtain administrative approval
;fore saying anything. I went back upstairs to the Nursing Service Office to
:tend the meeting. After the meeting, I returned to the Emergency Room, made rounds,
id left at approximately 5:00 P.M.
30 - 10:00 P,M, - I watched television at home, and got ready to return to work at
/ :00 P,M,
arrived at the hospital at 10:30 P.M., made rounds in the Emergency Room, reported
' the Nursing Service Office to inform then that I was on duty. At approximately
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12:00 Midnight, Mr, Prall of the New York World Telegram, and Miss Joyce
Eggington of. the London Observer, came up to the registration desk, and
said they wished to speak to someone who was on duty when the President was
brought into the Emergency Room. I told them that there was no one on duty
at this time, and they would have to obtain any information they needed from
the Administrator's Office. I instructed them how to get to the Administrator's
Office. A few minutes later, Mr. Dutton brought them into the Major Surgery area
of the Emergency Room, showed them Trauma Room #1, and introduced them to me,
and told them who I was, and that I was on duty at the time. He asked me to talk
to them. I asked him if I was supposed to. If so, what was I to say? He said;
"We are telling them all of the facts." He left them with me.
I ushered them into ray office. They told me they were writing a human interest
story. They wanted to know what I was doing prior to the phone call stating that
the President had been shot, and why I answered the phone. What did I say on the
phone when informed? They wanted to know anything unusual thf.t any of the nurses
said. I told them I could not recall anything. They asked aboau Mrs. Kennedy's
reaction. I told them she sat very quietly, and appeared to be ia a state of deep
grief. They asked if I offered her anything to drink. I then told them I gave her
water, I also mentioned offering to remove her gloves, and wash her hands. To the
best of my knowledge, this is all I can remember. Miss Beck came to my office during
the time I was talking to them. I also mentioned that there was an English nurse on
duty in the Emergency Room at the time. They asked me her name, but I told them that
I was not at liberty to give it to them. They asked who they could obtain the name
from, and I took them up to the Governor's office to talk with Mr. Read. I went into
the Nursing Service Office, and told Miss Beck what had taken place. Mr. Read told
Miss Beck he had no objections to releasing the name, but it was up to the hospital.
Miss Beck called Mrs. Wright at home at approximately 12:30 A.M., and asked her what
she wished her to do. Apparently, Mrs. Wright instructed her to give them her name.
Then they wanted to know what part of England she came from so I told them.
I returned to the Emergency Room shortly afterwards. Several members of the press
came in between 1:00 A.M. and 4:00 A.M. All were instructed how to get to the
Governor's office.
Nothing unusual happened out of the routine between 1:00 A.M. and 4:00 A.M. I left
the hospital at approximately 4:30 A.M. Saturday morning, went home, and read the
paper, and went to bed until 10:00 A.M.
I did not return to the hospital until Sunday afternoon when I heard on the television
that Oswald had been shot,
I arrived in the Emergency Room after Lee Harvey Oswald had been taken to the Operatii
Room. I made rounds in the Emergency Room, talked with Mrs. Standridge concerning
the treatment Oswald had received in the Emergency Room. I helped screen employees ai
visitors at the Emergency Room entrance. There were numerous reporters and photograpl: s
at the registration desk. Mr, Geilich informed me there was going to be a press con-
ference in Room # 102. I announced this at the triage desk, and most of the press leJ
the area.
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[ was told shortly afterwards that Oswald had expired, and would be brought
iown from the Operating Room through the Emergency Room to the X-Ray Department,
[ informed Miss Lozano to pull all curtains on the examining cubicles, and to
;lear the area.
Jecret Service men arrived with Oswald's mother, wife, and children. I asked the
;ecret service men if they would like to talce them in the Minor Medicine and
lurgery area, and I would have the doctor come and talk with them. I told Dr.
.ose. Medical Examiner, that they were there.
,fter they had moved Oswald to X-Ray, Dr. Rose went to Minoe Medicine, and in-
brmed the family of Oswald's death. The mother and wife came to the X-Ray Depart-
lent to view the body, I assisted the police in draping him for the relatives to
iew. I left the X-Ray Department, and returned to the Emergency Room,
t approximately 4:00 P.M., I left the Emergency Room and went home.
jris Nelson, R,N,
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"Mr. J, K. Curry
Chief of Police
"November 26, I963
"Sir: .
"This 1b a statement of facts relating to my activity as a
Reserve Officer Sunday, November 24, 1963* to the best of my ■
laiovrledge and recollection.
"1, Approximate time I reported to duty, 9:30 A. H«
"2. I reported to Lt. Merrell, Assembly Room.
"3. I was assigned to the garage area of the basement
Immediately below the Commerce Street exit. W^ assignment
was to cover the door opening Into the sub-basement
machinery area. I was on this assignment until approximately
13 minutes after the shooting.
"4. Names of other officers in the same area that I can
recollect are: • ^_ •
"Lt, Suits, Sgt. Croy (Reserves)
"5« Did you know Ruby? No.
"6 • When and under what clrciuastance did you see Ruby?
"]>ld not see him. . ' '
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SSCATEi-ENT GF POLICE RESK-iVE OF.ICER V;. J. KU'^l-I/iN:
I recall someone £oing over the railing at the bottom of the
l-iain Street ramp, but I have racked ay brain and cannot recall
whether it was before or after the shooting.
I do remember that the person had on a sxiit, but I do not know
the color. I don't rensmber seeing a hat, but I can't say whether
he was vrearing one or not. This could have been about the time the , u
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OFFICE MEMORANDUM
'/■"•Lt. Revill December 6, I963
Su&;ec<; Reserve Police Officer W.J. Nevraian /i^-*
Res: 10923 Cotillion, BR-9-5923
Bus: 4112 S. Bucknor, EV-I-716I
Sir:
SUBJECT called this date and stated that he remembered
someone going over the railing at the rar.ip leading into the parking
area of the basement the morning OS'.'AID was shot. He further stated
that he could not remember whether it was before or after the shooting.
Also that he saw the person was v/earing a sxu.t, and he saw only his
back, and could not identify him.
Re ai5ipct fully submitted,/^
ii.V/. V/estphal, Detective \
Criminal Intelligence Section
The only reason you and I are here is /o assist the people of Dallas t\J^I '' /
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December 1, I963
i4r. J. E. Curry
Chief of Police
Sir:
Re: Interview of Keserve Officer,
Patroinan V/illian J. Kewman, 317
On December 1, 19o3 Reserve Officer, Patrolman
William J. i\ewman was interviewed by the under-
signed officers as to any information he might
have concerning the shooting of Lee Harvey
Oswald which was not covered in his original
report dated November 26, l9oj>,
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iVewmem stated, after reading his origineil report,
that he recalled observing an unknown white msLle
run down the Main Street ramp into the basement
of the City Hall, ap/^roxi2iatei.y one minute prior
to the shooting of Ocv/ald, This unknov/n male
disappeared into the group of nev/smen and police
officers and was not observed by wewman again.
Patrolman Newman states^ that ;ie observed this
individual just prior to someone in the crowd
emnouncing, "Here he comes 1" Less than a minute
lapsed from this time until the shooting of
Oswald* rJewman states that he did not know
Jack Ruby.
At this time Patrolaan Newman has not been con-
tacted by fiuay federal agency.
Respectfully submitted,
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ack Revill, Lieut e"nant
fSpecial Service Bureau
C. C. i>rallace, Lieutenant
Special Service Bureau
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WILLIAM J« NEWru\N, Dallas Reserve Policeman, residence
10923 Cotillion Drive, Gar.land, Texas, advised that he was called by \
Sgt. SULLIVAN of the Police Reserve to report to the Central Police s^
Station as soon as he could get there on Sunday morning, November 21, ,
1953. He stated he arrived 'there between 9;00 and 9:15 AM and was ^
told to report to Sgt. PUTNAM of the regular Police Department.
Sgt. PUTNAM requested that all of the Reserves, approximately 25 7
in number, assist them in searching all cars and areas in the 5 ">
basement. This was at approximately 9:20 AM when they began, and at ;i§^
about 10:15 AM Sgt, PUTNAM told him to guard the door underneath the
ramp coming in to the basement from the Commerce Street side where ^ )
the armored truck was parked. 'J /
He advised the door ho was guarding went into the basement,
which was the engine room. He stated that no one came in or out of ^
this door while he was stationed there, and he was there from C^
approximately 10:20 until approximately ten or fifteen minutes after j '^
the shooting. He advised that he did not see the shooting. He did 1 (""^
not know RUBY. He never knew or heard of any officers working for ^A ^
RUBY. He stated at the time he went into the basement there were \
probably fifteen or tiJenty people already there other than policemen \r
and that they were newsmen, photographers and TV cameramen. He did ■
not know any of them. He stated these people were already there and
he was not in a position to observe any others coming ih to the
basement, so that he was unable to say what identification they had
to show or 'if they were challenged to show any form of identification.
He estimated that at the time of the actual shooting there
V7ere approximately fifty people in there other than the police
■officers. He knew of no security measures taken other than what
his assignment was but did say that he had heard the armored car was
going to be a decoy and that OSWALD would be taken to the County Jail
in another car. He did not recall who told him this. He stated that
from his position where he was assigned he was unable to see the top
of the Main Street ramp but could see the lower part of it. He
stated that approximately one minute before the actual shooting
occurred he saw a man coming dovm the Main Street ramp but since he
could just see the lower part of it, he was unable to see whether or
■•not he was challenged or whether or not he had any identification.
He could not see the man as there were too many people in between where
he was stationed and where the Main Street ramp was. He did hot know
RUBY and had not heard any talk concerning him prior to the shooting.
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JAMES C. KENNEDY and
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• decuman! conlatna neither raoommendatlona nor conclualone of tho FBI. It la the property ol the FBI and la loaned to
ra9*ncyt It and its eoDtanIa are not to be dlatrlbuted outalda your agency.
Newman Exhibit No. 5038-D
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JOHN NEWMAM, Advertising Salesman, Dallas "Morning
News," home address 3124 Kingston, Dallas, telephone number
FE 1-8090, advised that he watched the Presidential parade
on November 22, 1963, at -Austin and ^!ain Streets by Sanger-
E.irris Brothers. He said he returned to his office on the
second floor of the Dallas "Morning News" Building at approxi-
mately 12:40 p.m. He furnished the following additional
informations
When he arrived in the office, JACK RUBY was sitting
ar NEVmAM's desk. A short time after he, NEV;naM, sat down, ■<-
JEERY COLE"; came into the office and stated that the President
,had bson shot. Everyone in the room of course, was perturbed,
A short time after receiving this news, RUBY called his sister
and while he w::3 talking to h»:r he told Mr. NEl'TNAM to listen.
He put the receiver to I'ir. NEWNAM's ear and Mr. NE'illAM heard
the party on the other end which party he feels sure is
RUBY'S sister. From the gist of the talk, she was obviously
very upset.
When NEvVNAM first cams Into the office and saw
RUBY, RUBY did not appear to be jartlcularly upset and he does
Tot believe RUBY had heard of the shooting at that time.
A short time later, NEl'/NAM looked up from his desk and saw
3.'J3Y leaving the office. NEVWAM could not state the exact
cirae that he saw RUBY leaving but he estimated it to be at
Approximately 1:30 p.m.
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JACK B. PEDEN and
bSpecial Agsnts JAMS S E , GARRISsBL
1i document contains neither recommendatlonB nor conclualona o( the FBI. tt is the property of the FBI and la loaned te
V' ageneir; It and Ita contents C"'*'^ to ^« distributed outside your agency.
Fii, iif Dallas 44-1639
Date dictated 12/4/63
Newnam Exhibit No. 1
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FDocs ;;uv,3o-sj) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
Date 12-11-63
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~ JOHN NEVTNAM, Advertising Salesman for the "Dallas
Morning News" advised that on November 21, 1963, JACK RUBY
did not corce to the advertising department of the "Dallas
Morning News" to his, NEl^AMb, knowledge. He stated that
RUBY did call him, NEWNAM, at approximately noon time and
reserved the space for two advertisements. These ^advertise-
ments were to be advertisements of the Vegas Club ah d the
Carousel Club. He said that at approximately 2:30 p.ni., RUBY
ciled and gave him the copy for the ad.
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day of the President's assassination when JACK RUBY was in
the advertising department of the "Dallas Morning News" between ^"^ \
12:00 and 1:00 p.m., RUBY paid for all advertisements up
until Saturday, November 23, 1963. RUBY agreed to pay him
again on a later date.
John Newnam Exhibit 2
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12-10-63 Dallas, Texas DL 44-1639
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JACK B, PEDEN - md 12-11-63
by Sp»cial Agent Dot* dictated
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Q Yoa have seon soma peculiar poople write adz, anc^
Indeed you havo seen sons books don© by peculiar i)eople too,
haven't you?
m. AIECffilESR; Hou, ue object to that, Juose.
:©. BSLLI: aiat is all.
a witness called by the State, being first duly s:fom,
testified on his oath as follows:
LIRECT EXAimiATION
BY MR. AJ^SmUMi:
q Your name is John Nefwnaa? ^ ,J^
Wiat is your business or occupation?
I fiia on the retail advertising staff of the Eallas
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And how long have you been with the rallas News?
Well, since 19^6.
I will aslc you if your office is in the large office
on the second floor of the milas News ajilding?
A Yes> sir, it is;
Q And directing your attention to Kovoinber 22, 1965,
JAMES J. MULEAOY
OAU^S, TEXAS
Jopyright © 1964
Stinebaugh-James Muleady
DnHfto, Toxaa
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A Yea, sir, X did;
Q. And vould you recall vtietlier or not that vas the day
that Preaidoat Sisnnody vlaitod Lollaa?
A Yea sir, it vaa,
Q, I2Ld you see the i>arado?
A Yea, I did.
^ Md after the parade passed, wherever you vatched it
from, did you go bade to vork?
A Yoa sir, I did.
Q, And what time did you arrive bade at your office?
A Approximately 12:^0.
Q At the time that you vent bade to ysur office, did
you knotf that the President had been shot?
A I did not.
Q, When you arrived at your office, I will ask you if
you sav the Cefcndont in this case. Jade r2uby?
A Yoa sir, I did,
Q, Do. you see Jade ]M)y in the courtroom?
A Yes, there is Jack sittios there.
Q, All right, vhen you got back to your office at 12:40,^
vhere dLd you see Jack Riby?
A / At my deski'
Q And didyoo-notice what he vas doing?
A Be had Just got through preparing his ad for the next
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DALLAS, TiXAB
Copyright ©1964
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Dallas, Texaa
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Q, Hd yott have a ccsaversatloa vith him?
I opokd to him as usual, yos«
£Ld hd spoak bade to you?
Yea, he did.
Hov long have you knowa Jack Ruby?
Ever since he had opeaed his club, which vas a private
dub at nrst, down on Comsarce Street. I don't knov hov many
years ago, Hve or six years ;■
Q, It vould have been aor© than one year?
A Yes sir, it would.
Q, And from time to time did he come In^ to place ads and
discuss his business with you?
A Ee did.
Q Kov, shortly after you arrived back at 12:^^0, I v/iu ask
you If word waa passed out that President Kennedy had been shot^*
A Yes, it VD^.',-
Q, Vamt, if anything, did you do as regards getting up-to-
dato news, or watching television about the assassination?
A In the comer of our office, in our Promotion Ilrector's
ofCLco, there was & small television set which he uses on
occasions.
Q And what is the rinrfv^ of that man?
A Mr. ELck JefferyJ
q Mr;^ ELck Jeffery?
JAMES J. MULEAOY
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Copyright © 1964
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Q And where in that second floor was Mr. Jefferi'-'s office
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A It's in the comer, I voald say the northwest comer
perhaps, is&ybe & little the other uLrection, It's at the
comer fadns the Ealln.3 Hotel and Pla;^ outside in the front.
Q All right, I "Will ask you if you oav; Jade Ruby in front
of to. Jeffery's office vatching the television?
A Yes, I vas over there siyself, and Jade vas over there
listening vith the rest of them.
Q. Hd you hear him say anything?
A I don't recall any specific comments at that tliae.
Sherd vas a lot of cosoient*'
Q, V;^ there anything unnf>ual about his behavior at any
tliQO that you savr him that day?
A Itothing unusvvU. I vould say, no more than anyone else.
Q, Were you all stunned there and deeply grieved by the
news?
A Yes.
Q, Have you looked out the ^Jindov vliich is opposite !-lr.
Jeffery'a door toward and across the Plaza towards the DoUas^
Hotel?
A Yes, air.'
Q I will ask you if it is possible to see the building
known as the ll&saaA Sdxool Book Lepositoiy, from that window?
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DALI». TEXAS
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Q I vlll ahov you vhat are In ovldencQ as State's E>J:iLbit£
Hos. 1 and 2, and ask you If you can identify those e^dolbits?
A Yo8, I canr
Q And I vlll ask you If those tvo exhibits represent the
soone that one sees vhen he looks from the vlndov opposite Vjt,
Jeffery*s door?
A It is.
Q, I vill ask you if State's Exhibit Nol' 2 appears to be
taken from directly in front of Jir. Jeffery's door?
A I would say it vas, yes,
Q, Nov, I vlll ask you if Mr. Joffery*s office is completeljy
separated by a vooden partition or if it was separated by a
glass partition from the remainder of the office?
A It *8 a glass partition*
Q, A glass partition?
A Yes sir*
Q, V/ould you indicate to the Jury, just pciiit where the
Texas School Book L^c>ository Building is, in each of these
exhibits?
A Right here — and rl^t here (indicating).
Q, And I vill ask you if that is approxLmatoly between the
T^TT^a Hotel and the Post Office — in other words in the
picture the building appears to bo between the Hollas Hotel
and the Post Office?
JAMES J. MULCADY
DALLAS, TEXAS
Copyright © 1964
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A Yos, I seo vhat you ciean — :^3 it does.
Q Now, con you tell us, this iu for the parpooo of the
record, I vill e£k you if it is possible to see Eln Street,
as it passes the Texas School Book JDspository, or is the
street itself obscured by the live Oak trees in the Plasa?
A I vould say it is obscured.
Q Do you know vhat time that Jack Ruby left the liQllas
Kevs office?
A IDio exact tiine I am not sure, I vould say approximatcl;
lOO or a little after.
^ Could you tell us about hov xocsiy ads a veek that Jack
Baby run uith the Ti&Tla'i Nevs?
A Qiat vould fluctuate a little, possibly between three
and five average.
Q And did Jad: Puby personally take care of his ads?
A Yes, he did.'
(^ For the Q»st part, did he vrLte his ovn ads?
A For the loost part, yes.
(^ Ud he appear to be coz!:Qpetent in that phase of his
business? i
A !Ces, I vould say vexj coasotenf.
Q, I vill ask you if there vas anythix^ unusual about
Ruby's behavior over the period of tiiz^ that you knew him;
did he appear to be nozizal?
A As far as I know. I knew him in his business, and he
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appeared normal, as far as I vas concerned.
Q • I vlH ask you if ho could bo characterized as a rather
volatile eocdtablo Individual, talked fast, talked loud, por-
hapa waved his arms sometimes when exdtod, or Just tell us
hov ho appeared to you?
A Veil, yes, I think Jack Is excitable. Our conversa-
tions at times, he vould teH me that ho vas, and sometimes
ho vould be more so than others'.'
Q But there never appeared anything abnormal about his
bobavlor? - .
A • No;' Ab a matter of fact ve got along just fine,
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!©• BELLE: Your Eonor, ve have oome notebooks
".; .! ;ir. hero that vo Just bought at the book store. If the
•::;". T. Jurora vant to tako some notes."
THE COURT: No, sir, the Jurors do not take
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Q Mr. Newnam, you say that Jack vas more excitable at
vailous times than he vas at others?
A Well, on occasion, yes.'
Q. V£L11 you explain sons of those occasions and what
prompted tho excitement which you considered to be more
JAMES J. MULEAOY
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unusual than the other oooasions, such as boins calm and
oolldoted?
A Veil, I bolievQ it vould probably be In repremandins
his es^plOToes in scone maimor.
Q He would Qet pretty hysterical then, would ho not?
A Well, I suppose a degree, what you call hysterical.
HO would get excited* lie would get excited'.' ^
Cl Very excited, and after it was over would he calm down
and appear as thoui^ nothing bad ever happened?
A Well, In his dealingo with bb, we always got along flnei
We never had any difficulties."' Wo would continue with what-
ever he was doing.
Q And then after these rejalmands, where he bocsae
hyotorLcal and very excitable, a£tQv they were over did ha
then voQelxi his ooaqposure and calxnness?
A ) * .•• Yes sir.
q , - And appear as though nothing had taken place at aH?
A Well, aa far as I am concerned.'
Q, Dj you knew what tlua he arrived at your office the
xnoxoing of Kovezober 22, 195^?
A No sir.
Q, - - And you got there about what time?
A •, "Xbu n»an what time I arrived at the office that day?
4 ; Yea;
A We get there about 8:30 in the somLng.
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DAIXA*. TCXAS
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Q Well, I mean what t1.mn durlnc tho noon hour did you
oomd in?
A It v&a aiouad 12:40,
Q, 12i40, and bov do you fix the time?
A I £Lx the time be cause I vltnessed ths motorcade at
the inters© ctlon of I-Join and /oistin, I believe it vgs the
Bouthwest comer across from Scngor-Harrls, and was vith sons
of tho other men from the office. After the motorcade passed,
then I valked bade to the ofUce. Ihat day there vras an
extremely large crovd, end I would say it vould take protably
ten or twelve minutes to walk bade.
Q iihen you returned to yxxir office, did you then se3 Jade
and 8f> have a diacussion with him regarding his ad?
A Not regarding the ad. I spoke as usual, and I had
soioe'i^ things that I had to get out of the way myself, because
we were past the noon deadline. So*^ I went ohead and worked
on what I had to get out of the way, and Jade was sitting at
my desk.
Q, Jade was sitting at your desk?
A Yes, sir*
Q And that being the week end, it was customary for Jade
to oome over and meet the deadline, and prepare his layout for
hLa night olub advertiaement that went into your paper, is
that Gorreot?
A ' That*0 correct sir*
JAMES J. MULEADY
OALLA*. TKXAa
Copyright © 1964
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i^allas^ leicaa
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AnA Jack £l?oqaontl7 did thooo ads himself?
Yes air*
Particular the veek ends?
Yea slri' I worked vlth him, as is ny Job,
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A I believe the deadline for getting tho ad in the jiapor,
apaod reservation, 12:00 o'clodcj release copies at 2:00.
Q Well, Jack had to atteai^t that himself or he wouldn't
get his weok-ond ad in your paper on that occasion, and
particularly in view of the influx of people that had come to
tovn^ I take it, for the week end?
A V/ell, of course, ho didn't coca down evei-y day to place
It* Sometiioes we transacted it over i;hd toleplione, but he
would moke frequent trips to the office to take caro of this
hiiusdlf*
(^ That W(XLld be more or less on the weekly ad, would it
not, thejibone call, and on the week end he would supply it
himself?
A Yes, I would say so*
^ All right, and hov soon after you arrived and talked
with Jack and what about your work, was it before President
Kennedy was assassinated?
A I don't quite understand the question^
Q, How long was it before President Earmedy was assassinate
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art6P you ai*ilved at your office and entered into that con-
versation vith Jade Ruby?
A " You xaean how long vaa it before ve knew about it?
Q, Yes, before you and Jad: knew about it?
A '•• It vas just a ahort while,
q Plve stlnutcs^ ten mlnutea, siore or less?
A I would say no more than five, perhaps."
Q, No ooro than five.
A I am ZK)t exactly sure about the tLise.
(^ Well now, how long had it been since the President vas
assassinated, before you and Jack learned about it?
A I would say possible fifteen lainutcs .
Q nftoen Kdnutea; And during that tirjp, you learned he
was assassinated, you say Jack appeared to be calm, and
composed, is that right?
A Yes sir.
Q AH xl^t now, after you end Jack learned that the
President waa assassinated, did you --run to this television
in Jeffery's offloe, and look at it?
A Well, V© walked into there, ve didn't run. There vas
utter confusion, X might say, about this time, because no one
was sure that this had happened*' But there vas news coming
in over the television*' And, so, ve vent to Und out, to see
vhat vas going on.
Q Well, vhat vere the z^2mors, as they come in, did any
JAMES J. MULEAOY
DALLAS, TCXAS
Copyright © 1964
IPXey U. Stinebaugh-Jamea Mule<
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runors cone In that a Socsret Servlco xonxi ha<3 been shot, or
that tho Govortior had been, shot, that the President had been
shot; vas there some inlxup on vho vbq shot?
A I vould say there vas. There vas a runssr of soise Secr«
Service agent beln^; shot, ^s.
Q Nov/, vhea the vord come it vas tho President, just vhai
took place vith reference to the enotlonal Impact end effect
It had upon Jack Ruby, and the others there?
A Well, to answer your question, first on me, I vas
utterly stunned, I couldn't believe it. Acid I am sure that:|
Jack felt the seme,
C^ You ooald tell from his appearance that he vas very
greatly stuDned, and shocked, and bewildered?
A Tfes;
Q, Became overcome, was he not?
A Well, I don't know vhether he vas overcome or not, butl
he vas upset*
Q, THav, did you and Jack stand and look at the televisloi)
from about It^O until about 1x43, vhen you got the ncvs of til
assassination?
A Not at that time, no, air« Jade left the office
between 1x30 and 1x43, and It vas prior to this that ve
vatdiod the television.'
Q Veil, during the period that you and Jack were vatchlc
television, and getting the nevs of the assassination of the
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President, vas Jaclc*8 emotion &nd excitement, end feollng of
eiootlonal inpaot because of the loss of the President, vas It
Inoreaslns?
A I don't knov vhother It vas Inoreaslng.' I ea sure It
iDUSt have been In him or everyone else; Of coarse, about this
time ve had complete oonfualcn vLthln our office, due to the
fact that a lot of people had heard of this, a lot of adver-
tisers heard of this on the radio and on television, and ve
had oancellatlona of advertisements £t>r the foUovlng day. Ve
vero txylDQ, &ttexi]i>tlng to take care of those,
Q £0 you retnember soise of the things that Jack said at thajt
time?
A I don't recall, no, slri'
Q You don't recall* Nov, Jack vent to the phone and
callftd his sister, Sva Grent, did ho not?
A He did, ^s, sir.
Q Jade vas or^^lng at that time, vas he not?
A I don't recall vhether Jade vas cx^lns at the time. I
didn't pay that sudi attention.'
Q ' But he vas upset* Jade colled you over to the telephone
vhile he vas talking vlth his sister, Eva Qrant?
A He dldr
Q And vas Eva carrylsig on and crying too?
A Very nudi so* She vas carrying on over the telephone,
I don't knov vhether she vas crying or not. She vas
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DAU.AS, TEXAS
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emotionally upaot*
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Q Did Jack call you over to tho phone aid ask yoa to listei
to tha sister, Eva, crying?
A ; He did.
Q You learned, did you not, that Jack cancellod his ad
that afternoon in the Dan an Itoinins Neva that he vas going to
run Tor the veek end?
A .•; ' Well, he cancelled it or changed it, sir,
Q.j; :0r changed it to another?
A I don*t knov that it had been changed, no.
(^ . But you did leaxn later he dhenged it?
A Yes, I dLd.'
Q Through sorrow and grief i'
A I believe he dianged it to being closed for tho week
end, what two days I don't recall.
Q, WeU, he thought that his business should be closed tha
day and the f oHoving day?
A ,; 5hat waa the purpose of it, yes siri'
Q I believe you called someone in the composing room to
take care of that matter, didn't you? •
A It's xay understanding, I don't knov who or vhat time iti
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DALLAS, TEXAS
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Q Ybu vould consider Jack tesQexcooental end extrecaly
fUAsy About his ad« vould 70a not?
A Won, yea*
Q He never put anytblzis IxmoorcG. or ofT color In yoor papez'
did be?
A No 8lr« It Is our Job to see that that does x^t
happen.
Q, Before you learned about the President's assaaaination.
Isn't It a fa.ot that Jade vas oanplainLns very bitterly about
a full-pas© fi-cl that had appeared In the rinllfffl I-tomiris llevs
end etATted off, "Welcona I-lr, President," and actually con-
tained a series of insulting questions to President Kennedy?
A Jack, I believe, vas either looking at or had discussed
tbd ad of some nature.
Q I shov you this photocopy and ask you to look at it,
and exaolne it*
•;:.,, ':^. m» TOHAHILLj Maxic it, please.
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vas maiiced as Ifefendant's
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Q Is this a true and corroct copy of the ad that appeared
in the lYxlIan ^Soxnin8 Neva on KiTiday, Noveiriber 22nd, 196^, on
page 1^, section 1?
A It has our date line, the local *- I suppose it is.
Q, You see nothing about it that is any different?
A Well, I haven't read it, I don't knov.
Copyright © 1964 •
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Q Vlll yoa look at It, voald you pleas© exemlne It,
A It looks Blfflllar — verbatim I don't knov for suro,
booauae I ooul(3a*t &ay.
MR. TONAHILLj W© have a copy of the orlsiiml
;, her© among the other pajpers, do you have any objections
>.".-'.:.". to that, vo can get the oxl^^Lnal.
;•--■:;;•.; > •■ - -jv :'• MR. ALE2CAKEER: Is that a trus copy?
MR. TONAHTTJiX Yes, It la a true copy. We can
get the other later.
.!.■' We offer It into evidence i" Is It received in
evl^moe, JUdge?
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was admitted into evidence.
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Q (By Mr. Tonahlll). Mr. Newnam, Jade Ruby was oxtreiasly
upset about this ad, was he not?
A £e vas cxltical of the paper for accepting it, he was
conoezned about it, yes sir.'
Q, It*8 a highly insultii^ advertisement to President
ICenoedy, la it not?
- MR. AI£XAKGEKx Your Honor, that ve have to
Object to.
.- , /QiS CCXJETt Sustain the objection.
JAMES J. HULEAOY
OAIXAB. TCXA*
Copyright © 1964
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Dallas. Texas
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UR* ALEXANIERt Mq olsjGCt to that^ it opealcs for
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J, , DLd Jaclc ask you why this n^ was rma in the pc^psr,
didn't ha cooplain and oritioize ti\e i)aper, and say that ths
paper vas going to bo highly criticized because of tho ad?
A It's possible that he did, yes sir.
(^ Ud you agree that you did not knov why they accepted
it?
A I don't recall any particular conversation on that>
because in our business the man vho accepts those, accepts
it, and that's hia responsibility,
Q, lEhe Eallaa ICLmes Herald didn't run this ad, did they?
A I don't recall if they did or not, sir.
Q DLd you take the ad from this individual vho h^s got
his name dovn thex« as Bernard Weissman, or vas it sold by
someooe else?
A Someone else on the staff handled it.
Q, So 6c»Qeone came in and bou^t this ad and paid for it
in oaah, did they not?
A •' Gb, jea, that type advertising is required to be paid
tov:^ *■ •
Q, It vaan't by check?
A I don't knoVj air, hov he paid for it.'
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HiE COORTx All rleht.
m, ESllli Has it been introduced?
m* TQHAHILL: it is in evidence.
Q Can jo\x toll us how oony blocks the Texas School Eoolc
Depoaitoxy Buildins is from the TXTlnfl (bxning Kevs? llbis is
Exhibit, State's Sdilbit Ho. 2 here. Is it about ilve blocics?
A Z would say about n.ve blocks, yes sir. I never counte
them, Z cannot be exact, but X believe it is five blocks.
Q, Y6a have learned and heard of a nuzsber of peculiar
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excitable at certain tin^s than others, have you not?
A I have heard of such, yes sir.
Q Some of them get very strong, do they not?
A I would: say ao, yea.
Q, Now, yow fcalks always wanted Jade to have his ads therei
for thd week end, around noon, in order to zoset the deadline,
beoausd of his tenqperazoental manner in writing the ads hiroseli
and then changing it, and things of that nature?
A Well, yea, we would like it first to meet the deadline,
and, of course, secondly, we always like to check the copy,
whidi ve are required to do.'
Q Ha has got there late at various times, and you have
had to reprimand hia for being late, haven't you?
JAMES J. MUI.EADY
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ho usually makes Friday nlsht — ho xnade Friday night a free
night tor the ladles, did he not?
A Biere was a tlzae when ho vaa running the free Friday
nights; "Whether this had been discontinued, I don't recall
oflhand, but the ueek end business vas important.
r, He rarely ever missed putting his ad in the paper him-
self on Friday noon, did ho?
A Rarely ever"i
^ And you knov, do you not, that Jack habitually stayed
up Iftte, find slept late in tho mornings?
A. Tta^^^i^i:,.'
,i -nr MR. TCNAHILLj I believe that is all, thank
'r» F^M ; MR* AX£2C/\NIERt That is all, thank you sir;'
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.yLICE REAVES KICIIOLS, nee Small, 8707 Redondo Drive, Dallas, .
Texas, telephone DAvis 1- 3687, advised that she is th.e \7idc-.r of GEORC-3 •: .
K2RMIT KICKOLS. She advised that she is c^iployed as a secretary for
Mr. JOKN E. ^L4ITGRUM, Vice President and T-easurer, Southlcr.d LiTe
Insurance Ccaipany,- Southland Center, Dallas, Texas, business telephone
Riverside I-I32I. She has been employed there for the past sixteen
years.
She ^avised that she fomerly associated with JACK LEOK RU3Y,
also knoim to her as Jack Leon Rubenstein. She furnished the followir^
inf oriuation regarding thsir relationship end regarding her knowledge of
JACK LEON RUBY:
She first met RUBY in about 19^1^ when he \ra.z the ii32:ager and
CTvner of the Silver Spxir Club in Dallas. They star-ted goin^ together
and continued to date each other until about 195^ oi" 1957; when they
started drifting apart. They finally stopped seeing each other altogether
in about 19p9 or i960. She last saw JACK PUEY during the early spring
of 1963 when he was driving down the street in Dallas. They waved to
each other; hovrever, since she was walking and he was driving they did
not exchange greetings or talk with each other.
From the time she met RUBY until about August, 1952, KJL'f
operated the Silver Sp\ar Club. In about August, 1952, RUBY sold the
club to one MARTIM GIMPLE, who was from Chicago, Illinois, and a
, lifelong friend of JACK RUBY. RUBY then went to Chicago snd retirmed
to Da3JLas after about six weeks. He then bought the Silver Spur Club
back from GIMPLE. 1-IARTIN GIMPLE is no;/ deceased.
Sometime in I95I, JACK EJBY bought the Bob Wills Ranch Souse '
Club in Dallas, and he lost this club in the l£.te spring of 1952,
inasmuch as it was too eiqpensive to operate. She does not believe that o
RUBY had a partner in the operation of either the Silver Spur Club or
the Bob Wills Ranch House Club. During the time RUBY operated the
■ Silver Spur Club after she met him, he had no one associated with him
by the name of KORI-IA MILLER. She does not know anyone by the ns.se of
HORMA MILLER.
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Durir^ the time she vas associated vith JACK KUBY, RUBY was
friendly with one J02 BOrJDS trho operated the Sky Club on West Commerce
Street, Dallas, Texas. She does not "believe that RUBY and BOITOS were
ever associates in any business.
Sometime in 1953, RUBY bought the Club_ Vegas from ABE
WEmSTEIN who operates the Colony Club in Dallas.;; Texas, .
Sczietime in 1953, RUBY sold the Silver Spur Club to one
ROCKY ROBU'SON who formerly had operated a club on Hone Street in the
Dallas area. She does not know whether this club was inside or outside
the Dallas City Limits.
She met JACK RUBY's sister, EVA GRAMT, for the first time
in about 1953 or 195^ when EVA was in Dallas on a visit. It was her
understanding that EVA had previously lived in Dallas and had managed
one of ruby's clubs for him. EVA came back to Dal las perccanently.in
about 1959 or i960 and went to work as the manager of the Club Vegas,
operated by JACK RUBY.
Other members of JACK RUBY's family, whom she has met, are
hisbrot'r.er, SAI-rJSL RUBY, who resides in Dallas; his brother, EARL RUBY,
who lives In Detroit, Michigan; and his sister, MARION, who resides in
Chicago, Illinois. She also met JACK'S fathe^ who is now deceased. All
of these people ii-^Dressed her as being good people, and she knows nothing
which would reflect vuafavorably on the character of any of these people.
Soma time during 1952 or 1953, JACK RUBY owned for a short time
a club knam as Hernando's Hideaway, which was located on Greenville
Avenue, Dallas, Texas.
In about 1959 or early in i960, Jack Ruby acquired the Carousel Clui
in Dallas. It was about that time that she and JACK RUBY parted con^pany
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lermanently. The Carousel Club had previously been lmc\m as the
lovereign Cluh and vas operated as a private club, JACK RUSY converted
t to a public club and changed the name to the Carousel Club.
During the time she vent with hin, JACK RUBY told her several
hings about himself and other things she was able to determine throxjgh
,er conversations vith him. These things are as xollows:
He was born at Chicago, Illinois, on March 25, 1911* His
larents vere either foreign born or were first generation Americans,
ne of them having been bom in Poland and the other in Russia, She
.oes not knovr vhich one was bom in Poland and vhich one was "bom in
Ussia. He was reared in Chicago, Illinois, and the f ciaily was of
LOdest economic circumstances. His father was a c£:rpenter. JACK was
.evoted to his mother, and althoiogh he cared for his father he was not
.early as close to him as he was to his mother. JACK was inconsolable
'or several weeks after the death of his mother. Sometime during his
•oung manhood, JACK RUBY went to San Francisco, California, where he
as engaged in a punch board business. He told her that in San
'rancisco he met the only girl other than herself whom he would ever
lonsider marrying. This girl's name was VIRG-IinA FITZGERALD or
ITZSBMONS, .She does not knar if RUBY has ever maintained any kind
if contact or correspondence with VIRGUDLA. She does not knc.-r how
r.ong he remained in San Francisco, California, After he returned from
an Francisco to Chicago, sometime in the late 1930 's, he worked for a
abor union in Chicago and was associated in this work with one LEOIT
LNU), LEON was later killed. JACK adopted the name LEON for his
iddle name, in honor of this person. During World War II, RUBY was in
he United States Air Force and worked as a ground crevnnan on an
ircraft. Shortly after the war when he was discharged from the Air
orce, he went into business with t^ro or three of his brothers in a
irm called the Advertising Specialities Coirrpany in Chicago, Illinois,
e remained in this business for only a short time and then sold out
is interest in the company to his brothers. At that time his
ister, EVA, was living in Dallas, Texas, and was operating a night.
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cIuTd in Dallas. She apparently had sone trouble in the manageinent of
this club, and JACK RUBY came to Dallas from Chicago, investing money
in the club, and they started operating the club together. She
believes that this club, name \;inknown to her, vas re-named the Silver
Spur Club after JACK RUBY became associated with it.
ALICE REAVES NICHOLS furnished thp following information viu,
regard to friends and acquaintances of JACK RUBY which she can recall:
MARTDT GBIHCE: Lifelong friend of RUBY who was originally
from Chicago, Illinois, and who was
associated with RUBY for a short time in the operation of
the Silver Sp\ir Club. GIMELE is now deceased.
RALPH PAUL: A friend of RUBY of many years standing. PAUL
.loaned RUBY $2,500.00 which enabled RUBY to
' purchase the Club Vegas in Dallas, Texas. PAuT. now has the
Bull Pen Drive-In Restaurant in Arlington, Texas. PAUL and
RUBY apparently first became acquainted throxigh PAUL'S
patronage of the Silver Spur Club in Dallas, which RUBY
operated. PAUL did not have any financial interest in the 1
Club Vegas or any other business of RUBY's as a result of ■
having loaned him money. He took a note instead as evidence
of this debtovred by JACK RUBY.
- CECIL and JEAN HAMLBT, husband and irife: These people were
friends of JACK RU
beginning shortly after he arrived in Dallas, Texas, from
Chicago, Illinois, and bought into the Silver Spiir Club. Th
occasionally helped him with the Silver Spur when he needed
extra help for a special occasion. Their present whereabout
are unknown, but CECIL HA14LI1T is believed to be associated
with a meat cutter's union o?: a baker's union in Dallas, Tex
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"LITTLE DADDY" IJELSOU: This man is a Negro entertainer.
Da-iiciTig and druicrdjig in a band are
his specialities. JACK RUBY managed IffiLSOH for a short tima
in ahout 195 6> fi^<i on one occasion took hiiu to Chicago,
Illinois^ vhere he seciared a job for KELSON, in a night club.
This job lasted for about one month or six weeks after which
RUBY and NELSON retvimed to Dallas, Texas.
NED WEISBROD and SAM LASSEN: These men are originally from
Chicago, Illinois, and it is
believed their families have been kncR-m to JACK RUBY for ■
many years. V7EISBR0D and LASSEN have been around Dallas,
Texas, for several years in the selling business. They were
last known to be selling sporting goods, boats and other
items of that natiire. They frequented the Silver Spur Bar
while JACK RUBY operated it. They were also habitues of •
the Club Vegas which was operated by RUBY.
ADRIAN HIGH; This man was from Tulsa, Oklahoma, and was in
the oil business. He allegedly has a brother-
ia-law in Chicago, Illinois, who is very wealthy and who
formerly a-Tned a night club called the Chez Paree. This
club is now closed. HIGI was friendly with JACK RUBY while
RUBY was operating the Silver Spur Club and also while he
operated the Club Vegas. HIGH was a contemporary in
association with RUBY of NED WEISBROD and SAM LASSEN.
JACK RUBY does not have any enemies of any importance to her
icwledge. The only person she ever heard him express any animosity
cward was the man who took over the operation of the Bob Wills Ranch
ouse Club in Dallas when RUBY lost that club. RUBY told her that he
onsidered this man to be unfair in his dealings and believed he had
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■unfairly influenced 0. L, WIMS, the ovmer of the property on vhich
that cluh was located. This unfair influence vas exerted in getting
JACK RUBY out of "business there.
She always got the impression that JACK RUBY was vrell
liked "by his enrplcyees and "by the customers and other people with
whom he had contact in the operation of his various night clubs. He
was generous with his eniployees and would help them and other people
financially whenever they were ?*n need of help. She does not Deliev<
that such financial assistance ewer smounted to a great deal of money
in any individual situation, but he was always ready to come to
someone's assistance.
During the time she associated with him, she never received
the inrpression that JACK RUBY was afraid of anyone or anything. She
never received any impression that JACK RUBY had any criminal or
underworld connections either in Dallas, Texas, -or Chicago, Illinois
He never expressed any fear for his well being or safety and never
gave her any indication through his conversations that he had any
worries, with the possible exception of his standing with the Federal
Internal Revenue Service. He sometimes expressed concern about hew
much money he owed in taxes.
RUBY gave her the impression that he was not a very good
business man. She got this impression from the fact that when he
wo\ild open a club he would operate it until it was doing good businesi
and then woiild turn his attention to expansion. She does not believfi
this is a sound business practice, in that a person should build his
business on a solid foundation before he undertakes a new business.
She chai'aeterized JACK RUBY as a gregarious, openhanded
extrovert, and there was nothing mysterious or conspiratorial in his
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p.;rsoi2ality a-akeup. He has a quick teiaiper and oii occasion can 126001113
oaysically violent on veiy short notice. Hovrever, he forgets such
outbursts quickly, and his temper "cools off" quickly. She has never
^cnow-n him to harhor a grudge against anyone, vith the possible
exception of the person mentioned above vho took O'/er the management
Df the Bob Wills Ranch House Club.
While she knew him and associated with him, he dated other
rcmen on occasions, and on occasions she dated other men. JACK RUBY
ras not a woman-chaser, and she kna/s of no prostitutes or even
promiscuous women with \i'acm JACK HUBY was ever associated. She
jelieves that there was a limited nusiber of that type person who
Trequented some of RUBY's night clubs; however, he did not cater to
ihat kind of trade, and she does not suppose that there were any
nore of those people frequenting his clubs th an frequent other clubs
Ln Dallas.
Over the years, JACK RUBY has lived in several different .
-ocations in Dallas^ Texas, most of these being apartment houses. He
las sometimes lived alone, sometimes living with his ^sister, EVA, and
sometimes had a male roommate.
JACK EUBY's social and sexual habits and activities were
loraial, and she has never received any impression, indication or
^formation to indicate that JACK RUBY has any homosexual tendencies.
^■Thile she associated with him, JACK RUBY gambled on
)Ccasions, and this is one of the principal reasons she never seriously-
considered marrying him. She does not believe he gambled in any large
■mounts of money, and that he confined the gaiubling activities to card
;anies. He ne^'er discussed his gambling' activities ojr- preferences with
ler. The only club operated by JACK RUBY where any gamblers hung out
ras the Club Vegas. She recalled that one (FMU) MC WILLIE and one
'OHMiT ROSS, who were both gamblers, frequented the Club Vegas. She
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does not "believe, however, that these men had ar:y close friendship
or acquaintance with JACK RUBY. V/hen RUBY vanted. to gamble he usuall;
went to the Airtists' Club on St, Paul Street, Dallas, and played in a
card gaoie which went on .there. The Artists' Club is navf closed.
She has never known JACK RUBY to ewe acy gambling debt or t
have any gamblirig debt a^red to him.
From time to time RUBY enrployed oTf-duty policemen for
security in the night clubs which he operated. Ee did not allcw
ra-rdyism of any sort in his clubs, and she has seen him, on a few
occasions, forcibly remove rowdy people from the premises of his clxib.
On one occasion while removing such a person, the person bit RUBY on
one of his fingers and consequently a part of the finger had to be
amputated.
JACK RUBY is a healthy physical specimen and keeps himself
in good shape at all times. He worked out regularly at the YMCA ±a
Dallas and particularly enjoyed swimming.
Other forms of recreation enjoyed by JACK RUBY were dinner
dates, motion pictures and legitimate theater. He is a sports fan
and particularly likes boxing. Whenever they did date they would
ehgage in one of those activities.
RUBY never mentioned to her having had any trouble with
any individual, group or organization in Chicago, Illinois, or Dallas,,,
Texas. He would go to Chicago, Illinois, on an average of once a
year. He always had a specific reason for going to Chicago, such as
ah illness in the family or a visit. She never knew of any business
connection. or business reason for his travel to Chicago, IHinois.
During the time she associated with JACK RUBY she would sea
him on an average of two times per week. JACK often told her that
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fee was too good for him or that he vas not good enoTigh for herj hovrever,
,e vould never tell her why he was mcii±D2 such a statement. He always
reated her well;, and the only difficulties he had in his personal
elationships with other people occurred, with employees of the various
Ight clubs which he operated.
RTIBY appeared to be interested only casually in politics and
id not appear to have any strong or definite political pairfcy affiliation.
hes. never heard him discuss any particular political issues. She never
eard him express any partic\alar like or dislike for any political figure,
larty or philosophy.
She described him as being a highly emotional man^, but she does
,ot believe JACK RUBY is neurotic. She said he is religious . en-i is very
oud of his Jewish backgro'und arid heritage. RUBY attends the Temple
teanuel in Dallas where the Rabbi is GERALD KLEBI and the Temple
hearith Israel^, which is located on Douglas Street, Dallas, where the
abbi is HHIEL SILVERMAfl. RUBY does not speak Hebrew or Yiddish
anguages, and she does not believe he has any kncv/ledge of any other
oreign languages.
She advised that she was extremely shocked when she heard . that
ACK RUBY had shot and killed lEE HARVEY 0S17ALD, and she could think of .
o reason or explanation for this crime. She said she considered it
laost unbelievable that JACK RUBY would be capable of such an act,
nd after having thought much about it she still cannot understand how
his came about.
ALICE REAVES KCCHOLS was sham a photograph of LEE EPMEY
Sy7ALD. She advised that OSWALD is unknown to her, and she does not
elieve she has ever seen him. She advised further that she does not
ecall anyone of his likeness or description having been associated
. ith or acquainted with JACK RUBY during the time she associated with
- UBY.
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%w- 'MALICE REAVES NICHOLS, 8797 Redondo Drive, Dallas,
Texas, telephone DA 1-3687, telephonically advised that on
Monday evening, January 13, 1964, a J^r ._ nKN<;nN^, who identified
himself as a private investigator employed by the defense
.. attorneys for JACK L. RUBY, came to see her and talked to her
for about one and one-half hours. This was in relation to her
knowledge of JACK L. RUBY and particularly to any knowledge she ^
had of the whereabouts of RUBY on November 22, 1963. She advised
that she told Mr, DENSON what she knew and after he had gone that
evening and during the next two or three days she recalled the
• interview she had had with SAs ALBERT SAYERS and PAUL L. SCOTT on
November 25, 1963. She said she believed she had not told SAs
SAYERS and SCOTT about a telephonic contact she had had with
JACK L. RUBY on November 22, 1963.
She furnished the following information with regard to "
that telephonic contact:
She had been working at her regular job on that date
and had gone out to lunch between 1:00 and 2:00 PM. She returned
from lunch at about 2:00 PM and was advised that she had received
a telephone call from JACK RUBY while she was. out. He had left a
telephone number for her to call. At about 2:10 PM she telephoned
the number and the man answering sounded to her like a Negro. She ,:
said for this reason she believes the number was probably at the
Carousel Club; however, she does not know this to be a fact. The
man who answered the telephone told her that RUBY was on another "'-'':'..
telephone at the time, and she left her number at the office,
Riverside 1-1321, and asked the man to have RUBY call her.
At about 2:15 PM she received a telephone call from JACK
RUBY. This call lasted for only about one minute and RUBY was
apparently calling to tell her what a terrible thing he thought it
was that President KENNEDY had been assassinated.
RUBY again called her on November 22, 1963, at about
7:30 PM at her home. This was also a very short conversation,
and he mentioned to her that he was going to the Synagogue, He
also told her that his clubs were closed. She does not know from
where RUBY was calling. This is the last contact of any kind she
has had with JACK L. RUBY,
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She advised that she had received a subpoena which was
issued by the defense to appear in court at Dallas on Monday,
January 20, 196U.
She advised that the only other contact she has had
other than the interview with SA SAYERS and SA SCOTT and the
conversation with Mr, DENSON in connection with the JACK RUBY
case has been a telephone call from SA LEO L. ROBERTSON of the
FBI at Dallas and a telephone call on December 31, 1963, from a
newsman of the Associated Press. She did not know that man's
name and declined to discuss anything with him. She said when
SA ROBERTSON called he asked her if the names of several people
were known to her or familiar to her. She recalls that she did
not know any of the people whom he named.
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February 10, 1964
Jlr. Leon Jav/orski
Attorney at Lav/
Bank of the Scuthv/est Building
Iloustoa 2, Taxas
Dear Leoa:
This v/ill acknowlecJs© receipt of your letter of
February 5, 1964 v;IiGro you asked that I relate to you
an account of my visit with Lee Ilarvey Osv;ald while ho
was ia custody of the City of Dallas police.
On Saturday afternoon following the assassination
on Friday, Z was contacted by a lav^yer friend of cine v;ho
wanted to knov/ whether or not Oswald was boins represented
by an attorney at the tirae. I told him that I did not
know, but would uaI:o an inquiry into the matter because •
it had occurred to mo that soao question nifjht bo raised
as to his lack of representation during a critical tiae
nr'te-r his arrest.
X then contaced a Dallas attorney who is active
in the practice of criminal lav7 and asked hin to give me
his opinion as to the roQuircmeats of the State law for
an appoiatraent of an attorney by the Court. lie advised
tue that under the State law, there would to no obligation
for the Court to appoint an attorney until the nan had
been indicted by a Grand Jury. Since there had been no
iadictnont at that tiKO, he thought 'xhoro v;as no obliga-
tion for an attorney to be appointed.
I then contacted the District .attorney to deteraine
whether or not he know if Oswald was then represented by
an attorney. Ho advised mo that so far as he know, Oswald
T;as not then represented by an attorney, nor had ho made
any demand or request that an attorney be appointed to
represent him or taade available to him.
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I then contacted a Captain on tlio City of Dallas
FolicG Force to detoi-aiino v/hotiier or not CGv;alcJ was rop- •
resonted by an attorney or v/hothcr ho had mado any domand
for an attorney. This Captain, v;ho is an administrative
assistant to the Chief oi" Police, advised mo that so far
as he knev/, Csv/ald was not thcii represented by an attorney,
and that ho had nado no roqi^ost of the Police that an at-
torney be made available to him or that ho be periiiitted to
call any attorney. Ho ftarthor stated that so far as he
know, when Csv/ald appeared before the liasristrato on Friday
night, that no request had boon made by Oswald that
an attorney be appointed. The Captain fui*ther stated that
he understood that efforts v;ere bains tnado by soacone to
contact an attorney in New York who might be interested
in roprcsentins Oswald. I ashed the Captain to advise
mo that if Oswald desired an attorney and did not have
one, that the Dallas Ear Association would attor.ipt to see
that one was made available to hira. The Captain then ad-
vised me that 2 was perfectly v/elcoino to come down and
see Osv/ald and detorrsine myself whether or not Oswald
desired an attorney. I told the Captain that I had not
yet decided whether or not anything needed to be done,
but that I would be in touch v;ith hira if I should decide
to co'^Q down to the City Kail.
After discussing the matter with tv/o or three other "
attorneys, I concluded that perhaps it would bo wise if
I went down to the City Ilall a.nd see Oswald, and see for
myself that he was not boins deprived of his I'islits to an
attorney and that if he desired to have the Court or the
Bar Association to provide an attorney for him.
At about 5:00 or 5:30PI3 Saturday afternoon, I then
went to the City Hall and went to the office of the Cliicf
of Police. The Chief said that he v;as glad to see rae and
he personally took cie to the jail v;here Oswald was located.
The Chief intx-oduced mo to Oswald and offered to make avail-
able a place for me to talk to Oswald, but I advised hira
that the cell would be satisfactory. The Chief then stepped
back so as to permit iao to coaverso with Osv/ald without any
interference on his part.
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X asRiti introdvicod nysolf to Oswald and aclvisod
him that I v;as Proeideat of tho Dallas Ear Acsociation
and had cciic up to deteraiao v/hothor or not fco had an
attorney to reprsEoat hits or v.hothcr ha do:;ircd tliat tho
Dallas Dar Aascclatioa do anythins toward obtaiiiinj aa
attoruoy to i-cprecoat Mia. iir. Osv/ald stated that he
dosircd to bo rcprcceatcd by aa attorney naT.Qd Johr. Apt
or Abt of Ihow York City and asked ks iS I know this lav;-
yer. a told him that I did cot. lio then acl'.cd ko LS X
knew aay Eallas lav/ysr who was a tr.ctibsr o£ tlio /j^oricaa
Civil Liborties Uniou. I told hini I did not. Ila thea
stated that ho v/as a Eisabor o:? the Aasricau Civil Liberties
Union. I a^ain acltod hie whether he desired that either I or
the 2allas Car Association do aaythiiS^ at that tine toward
gottir.f: hini an attorney to I'oprosont hiQ. He stated that if
hs ccuid not get tho iTov; Yori;: lav/yox' or ±S ho could not get
a lav^yer who v.-as a r.ombor oZ tho /iiicricau Civil iibortios
Union to represent him, and if there was a~ attorney in
Dallas v.'ho believed as ho did, and believed in the things
hs beiioved in, and believed in his ianocsaco as niuch as
ho could, that he night call on us in the follov/iiig week
about getting such a lawyer. I again ashed bin if ha
wanted anything dons at this tise. Ee stated that ho did
not, but that I r.ight contact hiu during tho xollowing v;eek
and ho would let ce know whether or not he desired the Dallas
Bar Association to do anything.
After satisfying nyself that he kcev; what ho was doing
aad that ho did not appear to be in a position of being de-
prived of his rights to counsel, and after satisfying myself
that ho did not desire that cither I or the Dallas Bar Abbo-
ciatioa do anything at that tice, I thea loft.
I v.'as with LiT. Osv/ald probably 4 or 5 minutes and sat-
isfied nyself that ho appeared to be In a position to know
what ho wanted and that ho did not desire cy services or the
Bar's services to do anything for him at that tiaa.
At no time while I was in with hin did he indicate
that he had boon deprived of an opportunity to call a law-
yer or to othorv/isG seek legal advice, ncr did he indicate
to me in any way that he had been uiistreatod. Ko Eorely
stated that ho had been hold incommunicado and didn't know
i,v;hat it was all about.
lir. Lcoa Jav.'orskl
I.ly pcrconal reaction' was that Osv;ald was in full
control o-i: his faculties, aud v.-as ucithor boilic;GrGr.t
nor did ho r.urjoar to S3i' fric:htonod or subduod v.nd that
he did not desire tho Sallaa Ear /^sociation to provide
him ccimsol, but folt that if ho did not got a la-rjcr
of his ov.'ii choosing to roprGsen.t hin, that an attorney
would b3 uiado available if requested hy h±n.
1 trust that this information is sufficient to
ansv'^r your in::uiry ro-iarctins this mattor, but if there
is anythiac f\irthor that i can do, please lot r.e know.
V/ith personal best v/ishcs, I am
Very truly yours,
H. Louis Nichols
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686
ro-ioa (n.«.s4-«t) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
1 n«*. 11/29/63
ROBERT L, NORTON, owner, Pago Club, 4611 Cole,
telephone LA 6-5710, advised that at about midnight, Noyeaber
23, 1963, JACK RUBY came by his place and sat at a table
near the orchestra.
When he observed RUBT, be sat down at the table
with him, commented what a terrible thing for the President
to have been assassinated, and asked RUBT if bis place
was closed. He replied that it was, and after drinking a
Coca-Cola, RUBT complimented NORTON on the operation of bis
olub, and left.
NORTON commented on bow calm EUBT appeared to baye
been, daring this visit and RUBT .bad not made any specif io
connent about tb« assassination. (^
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TRANSLATOR'S NOTE : It is noted that the original letter is written in a conversa-
tional and personal vein without regard for proper punctuation.
Nueva Gerona, Dec. -25, '63
My Children :
From the visit of my brothers, I learned about you. It is a consolation to hear that
our children are taking very good advantage of the time. It is one more compensa-
tion of Divine Providence for our sufferings. It is difficult to write these days in
which memories are so vivid and it is almost impossible to coordinate ideas because
emotion chokes us. It is at Christmas time when sentiments, through the soitow of
absence, draw us closer to our loved ones. The more presents we have the more we
are aware of the separation. But the sorrow is not important, my children, and if
having you always in my heart and thinking intensely of you, it increases, then blessed
be the sorrow ! Fortunately, we are strong ; a great faith sustains us with the firmest
hopes of our soon being reunited with the family. Any of the steps that are being
taken must prosper. Our desires for peace, to live in the company of our children,
stir us to hope a little for comprehension and assistance. At this time of the year, :>0
years ago, Mama and I were an engaged couple in love, full of illusions and faith in the
future. "We were enjoying the preparations for the marriage which happily would
eternally unite our destinies. We were making at that time many plans, converted
since into a full and beautiful reality. We were ecstatically dreaming about the great
adventure of love, and you. my children, were the summation of our dreams. We were
in ectasy over the prospect of many children, the combination of our flesh, of our blood,
of our souls in the purest ideals of parents in bloom. Our de.sires were culminated with
the arrival of such a beautiful group of children exceeding our expectations — our aspi-
rations — children extremely gifted with the most brilliant qualities and virtues ; —
honest — intelligent — children who have the love and respect of one another — who adore
and devotedly admire their parents — children who work hard, study earnestly — who
make sacrifices whenever necessary. In sum, good children, a benefit to the family
and to society — loving children who gladly cooperate with one another without com-
plaint — who go through life joined fraternally in perfect communion with God and
family. Such are our children for whom today and every day in our prayers we
humbly thank God. The All Powerful gives you, my children, a glory of a repeated
verse of a most beautiful descendency ! What else in the world can surpass it?
Nothing that I may know and it is for this reason that I want to sum in that idea
my great desire of happiness for each one of my children at this Christmas time.
On the anniversary, shower Mama with pretty cards, letters, photos and as much as
can make her happy. It occurs to me, Cesar, that you with Mauricio, could give her a
good gift. I am not referring now to the marvelous gift of free giving, it is a little
grand gift. Since he has so many resources and friends, he could arrange that on the
basis of her 30 years, her photo be published in a newspaper section. It would be
something to fill us with pride, to do justice to this great wife and mother so that her
friends may not forget her. That would do us all good and the reason is plausible.
Not always are so many years of marriage completed encompassed with so many chil-
dren and grandchildren, nor under the circumstances which surround it. If you do
not have a good photo, ask Felo immediately for it. (I imagine some persons pale
with envy, among them some neurotic!) I am not able to give any gift, but I pray for
(her/your) health and ask for (her/it) so intensely that God is listening to me.
Freddie is getting along very well in his studies. It has taken him time and work,
but in the end he will graduate from this course. I always believed that he would,
but I fear for him for the vei-y hard examinations that await him. Sally also — I do
not know what career — and I am grateful to Jim because he wishes, as we, that she
continue studying until receiving her doctorate. He would only desire to offer his
assistance and inspiration. I received a telegram from Felo explaining the call that
he made to Cesar after the visit. I am happy that he calmed you. and I am presently
Odio Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
689
all right, and give yoi; my messages. I know that every one has moved tirelessly and
that on our negotiations being renewed, we will be in first place. To all, I am thankful
for Mama who needs to rest with peace and security. My daughters, in spite of the
problemfi that you have, you have found time to move Heaven and earth and our great
son with his business relations has succeeded in locating us in a preferable place. I
received a letter from Sari on Oct. 27, from Silvia, with her photo in the office — the 3rd
that I received ; of the rest I do not know what they look like now — on Nov. 8, from
Cesar, Julie and Lolie on Nov. 11. Thus we are able to endure solitude. Thus they
help us to wait. Mama telegraphed me, content because she already received many.
Remember that you must take a moment and write to one another. It is sad to read
that there are times when you do not know about one another "because the telephone
is expensive now." Annie needs to adopt a firm resolution for the New Year of involv-
ing herself in the responsibilities of the family. We are proud of your conduct in col-
lege, in a strange home. We are completely satisfied in having such a good and studious
daughter who has perfectly fulfilled her obligations. But you have not kept contact
with your sisters — too often unmindful of their problems when you should share them.
Therefore, my pretty brunette, you yourself think of the best way to cooperate with
them. It would be nice for you to share the time with your brothers and sisters.
Would it be possible, love, for you to spend week-ends and vacations at Silvia's house?
In this way you could be of great benefit, just as Lolie has been for some time with
Julie. You are a complete woman. You understand that you have obligations, in
addition to your studies which you are to pursue with eagerness above everything. If
what I suggest upsets in any way your school tasks, then you should continue as you
are and in no way should you neglect them. Understood? I leave it to your own
judgment, but anyway maintain frequent contact with all the family, and watch out
for parties and drinking ! Silvia, it is difficult to become oriented with you — who are
in contact with the atmosphere and who have taken up to now so many intelligent and
proper steps. You will continue with that vast experience, determining what ought
to be done on each occasion. It is one more reason for pride for us. Before I forget,
let me congratiilate you on your fine position. You are worthy of these distinctions.
Tell me who this is who sa.vs he is my friend — he careful. I do not have any friend
who might be here, through Dallas, so reject his friend shii> until you give me his name.
You are alone, without men to protect you and you can be deceived. Grant me, blondie,
the additional sacrifice of not going out Wednesda.vs with your girl friends. Stay for a
good time at home. You still are not free — you should avoid everything that might
affect your good name. Never accept going out with anyone or to the house of anyone
if you are not accompanied by your brothers. That of Guille is still not definite — he can
return — I am sure that he loves you and adores his children in his way. He was
criminally indisposed against you by his neurotic mother. When you have to be under-
standing, make yourself interested, but be careful not to exceed. Do not abandon
literature. Persevere, write a good book even though it takes you years. Sarita, love,
your letters are always interesting to me in that you tell me everything is marvelous.
It is the best sedative for calming my anxieties for information concerning the family.
Your letters, as those of all your brothers and sisters, fill my life with joy and hopes.
They come to be the only light which enters the darkness in which I am living. I
regret not having received yet a photo of your Jim. Mama was enchanted by him.
I hope that Cesar furnishes you with spending money in sufficient amount. Do not
scrape — please — go to your brother. It would please me for the elders to arrange for
an allowance. I leave it to your judgment. Tell me as much as you can of your activi-
ties. Lolie, beautiful blonde, you do not tell about yourself even though, in spite of
being an adolescent, you are already a woman because of the harsh experience through
which you have live<l. Your labors and sufferings have made you grow intellectually
and spiritually. I am happy that you have in C. and J. the tenderness of brothers and
parents. Soon you will again be my little spoiled girl, my heart's desire. Take care of
Odio Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
690
rebellions. Study and work gladly. Cesar, Julie, beloved children, there is hardly
space left. I am happy with your progress in the program. To Ama, Javier, Jorge,
Freddie, Marianne, I express how anxious I am to hold you against my heart! To
Gretel and Raul my thanks. Fond regards to Carola, Carmen Rosa, Rene. Loving
greetings and my thanks to all but especially to Mauricio and Joe— kisses— Papa
Amador Odio
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Mj i ; ii jnm il I I n «i y. »! ln.A"Ul ' WI'- ' "W" '
Volume VII - Number 3
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Robert Welch
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CONTENTS — MARCH, 1964
Assassination . . . Honorable Martin Dies, Sr. 1
Tito Charles Callan Tansill 11
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Nine Men Alan Stang 7,1
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To The Editor gi
Poetry edited by E. Merrill Root 95
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February 14, 1964
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n
JV
En
V-y
And Its Aftermath
Congressman Martin Dies of Texas
served seven years as Chairman of the
House Committee on Un-American Ac-
tivities, the historic
Dies Committee.
Now practicing law
in Texas, Congress-
man Dies remaint
one of the most out-
spoken foes of the
International Com-
munist Conspiracy. He is author of the
recent and explosive volume, Martin
Dies' Story — which we recommend.
■ In the first chapter of Theodore
Roscoe's The Web of Conspiracy , which
is the story of the assassination of
President Lincoln, Roscoe says that the
murder of Lincoln by John Wilkes
Booth could not be concealed by offi-
cial censorship, or the government's
juggling of English, or a propaganda
treatment, or re-writing of history:
'What censorship, phrase-juggling,
propaganda, and the doctoring of
history did conceal was the fact that
Booth could not have murdered Lin-
coln had not Lincoln been be-
trayed. . . .
The betrayal which permitted a
■ - lone gunman to walk into a theater
in the nation's capital and shoot
down the President was securely
hidden away.
This concealment and distortion of
'the truth is a black chapter in our
nation's history. Such a thing may be
far more serious in the tragic case of
MARCH, 1964
the murder of President Kennedy.
I
It is difficult to understand why
President Johnson at first approved a
Texas Inquiry by the Attorney General
of Texas, and then appointed a com-
mission headed by Chief Justice War-
ren, and then yielded to Warren's in-
sistence — accompanied by a threat of
resignation — that the Texas Inquiry
not be held.
What G)nstitutional authority is
there for such a Presidential com-
mission? Why was not the Committee
on Un-American Activities, or the
Senate Internal Security Sub-Committee
permitted to conduct the probe? And
why did President Johnson ignore the
proposal of a close personal friend of
the President and a member of the
Presidential commission, that a bi-
partisan Committee of Congress con-
duct the investigation? Why was it
deemed necessary to establish a com-
mission of dubious Constitutional au-
thority — to say the least — handpicked
by a President seeking reelection?
Why was Chief Justice Warren ap-
pointed chairman of this commission?
As a member of the Supreme Court he
may even be confronted with the ap-
peal of Jack Rubenstein. Though he
disqualifies himself, his inconsistent
roles as Chief Justice of the Supreme
Court and chairman of the commission
may taint the findings of the com-
mission, as well as a later decision of
the Supreme Court. It has even been
widely reported that Warren is on
record as opposing the impropriety of
1
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694
such* a dual role. He did not, however,
refuse the chairmanship. Why choose
Warren when there are millions of
Americans, rightly or wrongly, who do
not have confidence in the Chief Justice
because of his persistent defiance of the
great legal principle of stare decisis (to
stand by decided cases) ?
The doubts expressed here are not
meant to reflect upon the patriotism
of Justice Warren or the other mem-
bers of this commission. But, under
our system of freedom, Americans have
a right, and it is their duty, to ask such
questions.
II
Within one hour of the President's
death the Dallas police arrested Lee
Harvey Oswald, and the fact that he
was a pro-Castro s)mpathizer and a
"Marxist" was made public. Never-
theless the usual "Liberal" spokesmen
blamed the President's death upon
"right-wing extremists" and "hate
mongers." The Voice of America
beamed to the world the indictment
that Dallas was a city "of the extreme
right-wing movement." Tass, the offi-
cial Russian News Agency said: "Presi-
dent Kennedy of the United States has
been assassinated. His death is blamed
on extreme right groups." It reported
that it got this information from the
Voice of America-
Even after the news services pub-
lished the facts about Oswald — his de-
fection to Russia; his affidavit re-
nouncing American citizenship; his
residence in Russia; his record of Com-
munist beliefs and activities, which
were well known to our government
and nationally publicized before the
murder of the President — the spokes-
men for so-called "Liberals," and the
duped or uninformed, continued to link
"right-wing extremists" with "left-wing
extremists" as responsible for the mur-
der. Oswald has almost always been
dt:scribed as a "Marxist" and not a
Communist, even after the evidence
was conclusive that he was a Com-
munist and that, like so many Com-
munists, he used the words Marxist and
Communist interchangeably. While it
is true that Socialists, Social Democrats,
and other Left-wing groups, as well as
many so-called "Liberals," derive their
social and political philosophy from
Karl Marx, the only groups whose
members label themselves "Marxist" are
Communist. . As. a matter of fact the
Communists have always contended
that they are the only true Marxists in
the world. After all, Karl Marx did
write the Communist Manifesto.
To many uninformed people a
Marxist is much different from a Com-
munist. It is therefore extrem.ely im-
portant for the "powers that be" to
conceal or becloud the fact that the
President of the United States was
murdered by a Communist whose
record of Communist activity was well
known to our government; whose place
of work on the day of the murder was
well known to our government, and
who was thus — knowingly — allowed a
perfect opportunity to kill the President,
The enforcement of our anti-Com-
munist laws and the most elementary
precaution could have prevented the
dastardly act. Our government knew
about Communist Oswald but it did
not act as the law required!
Ill
It is equally important for the gov-
ernment to convince our people that
Oswald was acting on his own initiative
and not in furtherance of a foreign or
domestic conspiracy. (Later I will show
why there has been a concerted cam-
paign to disassociate Oswald from
Communists at home and abroad.) On
November twenty-third there was an
Associated Press story from Washing-
ton which quoted authorities of the
State Department as saying, "they have
no evidence indicating involvement of
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695
the Soviet Union or any other foreign
power in the assassination of President
Kennedy." The Associated Press said
on November twenty-third that Oswald
was a "loner" and kept pretty much to
himself. This line was followed many
times in the so-called "Liberal" news-
papers and on television and radio.
Stories appeared in the newspapers
to the effect that, when Oswald was a
child in New York, a teacher warned
of his mental condition. The "Liberal"
columnists and television commentators
continued to emphasize that President
Kennedy was the victim of "extreme
rightists and hate mongers." Minis-
terial associations, even in Dallas,
warned against "extremists" and "hate
mongers," CORE and NAACP issued
a statement that President Kennedy was
killed because he championed human
rights (meaning -the Civil Rights Pro-
gram). Even President Johnson, in his
first speech to Congress, warned against
"extremists and hate mongers." In fact
the vast majority of "Liberal" leaders, in
and out of the government, seized upon
this opportunity to divert attention from
the all important facts that President
Kennedy was shot by a Communist,*
that thirty years of investigation of
Communism by Congress and by other
countries proved the basic and ele-
mentary fact that every Communist
must accept ironclad discipline and obey
orders, and that Communists never
commit political crimes except in obe-
dience to orders of superiors.
In the first Report issued unanimous-
ly by the Dies Committee — composed
of Democrats, Republicans, "Liberals,"
and conservatives — we found:
The Communists in the United
States openly admit their allegiance
to the Communist International at
Moscow, and glory in the fact that
. they obey all the orders issued from
there immediately and implicitly. . . .
The following statement appears on
the 19} S membership card of the
Communist party, originals of which
were introduced as evidence before
the committee: "The undersigned
declares his allegiance to the program
and statutes of the Communist In-
ternational and of the Communist
Party of the United States of
America, and agrees to submit to the
discipline of the party and to engage
actively in its work." . . . The Com-
munist International is dominated
by the Russian Communist party
Vi/hat Communist Oswald saw as he assas-
sinated President Kennedy.
and Soviet officials, and could not
e^ist without the wholehearted sup-
port of the leaders of the Russian
Communist party and the financial
backing of the Soviet Government.
That Report was submitted to
Congress on January 3, 1939, and a copy
of it went to every member of Congress
and of the Executive Branch of the
government. It was printed in news-
papers throughout the country and dis-
tributed to public libraries. The quoted
MARCH. 1964
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
696
excerpts have been reaffirmed by every
Committee of Congress or agency of
the Executive Branch which has ever
investigated Communism. This prin-
ciple of discipHne (unquestioned execu-
tion of orders of superiors) has been
demonstrated throughout the world
upon too many occasions to enumerate.
It is true that since our investigation
and exposure of Communists in this
country the Communist Party stopped
issuing cards and printing other in-
criminating evidence. But Communism
is dogmatic. It may change its tactics
from time to time to deceive the un-
wary, but its basic principle of absolute
Party discipline, and its objective of
world conquest, never changes.
IV
Is THKRE any question that Oswald
was a Communist.''
The Associated Press in a story from
Dallas quoted Dallas Police Chief Jesse
Curry as saying that Oswald admitted
he was a Communist. Curry added,
"He didn't try to hide it." In another
Associated Press story from Dallas,
dated November twenty-eighth, Dallas
Police Chief Curry is quoted as saying:
"He [Oswald] readily admitted he was
a Communist. Apparently he was
proud of being a Communist. Last
year Oswald said in New Orleans he
was not a Communist but a Marxist.
But actually Oswald has never drawn
any distinction between the two."
District Attorney Henry Wade was
quoted by the Associated Press as say-
ing, "There was lots of material (in
Oswald's room) dealing with Com-
munism, such as the Daily Worker
\sic\ and there was even more material
dealing with Fair Play for Cuba Or-
ganization." In the same story Chief
Curry is quoted as saying that, after
Oswald's arrest, photographs were
found "showing him standing at at-
tention with a rifle in one hand and in
the other a copy of the Communist
newspaper. The Worker''
When Oswald was arrested, accord-
ing to the Associated Press, "he an-
nounced he wanted for his lawyer John
Abt of New York, well known for past
Communist defendants."
An Associated Press story dated
November twenty-fourth reported that
"When Oswald on November 2, 1959
turned in his American passport to our
Embassy in Moscow he presented his
affidavit which stated: "I affirm that
my allegiance is to the Soviet Socialistic
Republic." And he told American Em-
bassy officials, "I am a Marxist."
Four years ago, in Oswald's inter-
view with Priscilla Johnson, on the
third floor of Moscow's Hotel Metropole,
he referred to the Soviet Government
as "my government" and he said:
"Even if I am not accepted [for citizen-
ship] on no account will I go back to
the United States." He said (and this
was a most significant statement) that
when he talked to Soviet officials they
warned that neither Oswald's wish nor
theirs would determine whether his
citizenship application was to be ac-
cepted. They said it depended on the
"over-all" political atmosphere at the
moment. Meanwhile they offered Os-
wald the sanctuary of a prolonged stay
in the U.S.S.R.
The husband of one of Oswald's
landladies (he had a room for his wife
in Oak Cliff and a room for himself
near his job under the name of O. H.
Lee) was reported by the Press as say-
ing "Oswald talked Marxism, Marxism,
Marxism. Oswald refused to eschew
violence as a method for achieving
ends." [The above statement of Mr.
Paine was reported by Sid Moody,
Associated Press newsfeatures writer.]
There is no dispute about the fact
that when Oswald was in New Orleans
he was active in the Fair Play for Cuba's
local committee, of which he claimed
to be Secretary. (An investigation and
Report by the Senate Internal Security
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697
Sub-Committee showed conclusively
that these groups were largely financed
by Castro. FBI Chief J. Edgar Hoover
stated that these committees were heavi-
ly infiltrated by Communists.) He was
even shown on a national television net-
work carrying a pro-Castro placard.
In a story which appeared in the
Dallas Morning News, Assistant Dis-
trict Attorney William F. Alexander is
quoted as saying that evidence found in
Oswald's Oak Cliff room proves he was
"an active worker in the Communist
Party." He said the evidence included
letters in which a Communist leader
thanked Oswald "for past services."
How much more evidence would be
required to prove that Oswald was a
Communist? For years the Communist
Party has not issued membership cards
or kept written records. During the
early years of the Dies Committee we
were able to secure membership cards
from the various police departments
and other sources. We compiled the
only Hst of Communists in the United
States that is in existence. The original
list was left with the Committee when
I quit Congress in 1945. What hap-
pened to that list I do not know. I do
know that, since the Communist Party
discontinued keeping any written rec-
ords, there is no evidence more con-
clusive of Communist membership or
affiliation than the evidence marshalled
against Lee Harvey Oswald.
In my next article, I hope to discuss
the circumstances linking the Soviet
Union with Oswald's murder of the
President. Naturally such evidence
miist be circumstantial and based upon
the dogmatic pattern of Communist
behavior. The Communists are too
clever to leave any trace of connection
with Oswald other than certain cir-
cumstances I hope to discuss.
I shall also suggest the probable
answer to the question that is being
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asked by many people: "Will the
Warren commission report the truth?**
This question does not infer that the
members of the commission are lacking
in integrity and patriotism. But one
columnist pointed out we cannot expect
very much from the commission be-
cause no member of the commission
has had any investigative experience
and the commission must rely upon the
reports of other groups. In a sense each
of these agencies is itself under investi-
gation. This columnist, who writes for
a large newspaper chain, said that it is
naive to expect these officers to bear
witness against themselves or, indeed,
each other. He commented that it is
not in the nature of bureaucracies to
destroy their carefully nurtured fables
of omniscience.
I am not prepared to fully agree with
the columnist. But as I shall explain,
there are strong and compelling polit'cal
reasons, as well as present international
factors, to influence this probe and pre-
vent a full disclosure of all of the ugly
facts that have been camouflaged for
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
698
years but have now come to a climax in
the assassination of President Kennedy.
It must be remembered that all gov-
ernments, including our own, suppress
or distort facts in the name of national
security or international policy. All of
us recall that after our U-2 was shot
down over Soviet territory the State
Department issued a statement that this
plane had strayed from its course, into
Russian territory. When the Com-
munists challenged our release about
the plane, our President admitted that
it was engaged in observation of mili-
tary installations in Russia. It was
finally admitted that we had been
making these flights for some time.
One must also keep in mind that it
is not difficult for any Administration
to persuade any Congressional Com-
mittee that it must suppress vital facts
in the interest of national security or
our international policy. The Congress-
men have no way of knowing or dis-
covering whether certain facts will
endanger our national security or inter-
national policy. They must rely upon
the judgment and integrity of the Ad-
ministration in power, which pre-
sumably has all the necessary facts upon
which a correct judgment must be
based.
Sometimes the request of an Ad-
ministration is sincere. Sometimes it is
made for political purposes at home,
which have nothing to do with national
security or international policy. Having
associated wilh politicians all my life,
frankness compels me to confess that
the great majority of them are strongly
influenced by the all-important con-
sideration of winning elections. Their
business, whether Congressman or
President, is getting elected and staying
elected. Politicians, with very rare ex-
ceptions, never confess mistakes. An
Administration will do a great deal to
prevent the exposure of its blunders.
Perhaps in these human weaknesses
politicians are not much different from
the general run of humanity. The great
difference is that we have a right to ex-
pect our public officials to put our
country's real interests above their own
political interests. All of them solemnly
swear to God that they will subordinate
self in the service of our country. There
have been many glorious periods in our
history when the great majority of
public servants performed their duties
faithfully in fulfillment of oaths of
office. These bright periods are be-
coming increasingly less frequent — to
the dire peril of our American Republic.
Will the Warren commission be dif-
ferent? On January nineteenth, counsel
for the Warren commission stated that
the commission will have to consider
the possible timing of its report. What
he did not say was that a commission
which will consider the "timing" of its
report will likely consider the political
effect of that report.
VI
In order to overcome the skepticism
of millions of Americans who have
honest doubts about the Warren com-
mission, the commission must discover
and publish all of the facts about the
role of Jack Rubenstein in the assassina-
tion of President Kennedy. The com-
mission has at its command the services
of thousands of intelligence agents and
police detectives to uncover the truth
about Jack Leon Rubenstein, who in
1947 changed his name to Jack Ruby.
A private citizen has very limited
facilities. However, I have searched
some of my records and I have come
up with certain interesting facts that
may have no significance.
I have been informed that the name
Rubenstein is a common name among
the Jews. There could be several or
more Jack Rubensteins. According to
my records some of the Rubensteins
spelled their name Rubinstein. At any
rate there is no question but that in
1929 a man by the name of Jack Ruben-
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
699
stein was on the Executive Bourd of the
Young Communist League in the
United States. We have an exhibit
taken verbatim from the Communist
Daily Wor\er to prove this fact. The
Young Communist League is an or-
ganization for Communists under
twenty-one years of age. In 1929 the
Jack Rubenstein, who shot Oswald,
would have been approximately nine-
teen years of age.
According to our records the Jack
Rubenstein who was a member of the
Executive Committee or Bureau of the
Young Communist League also assisted
in the formation of The Revolutionary
Youth and the publication Revolu-
tionary Age.
I have read in news stories that the
Jack Rubenstein who shot Oswald has
a brother Hyman Rubenstein and a
sister named Ann Rubenstein. Our
Committee Hearings mention an H.
Rubinstein and an Annette Rubinstein
and a Leon Rubenstein.
- Now all of this may be mere coin-
cidences and should be given no
probative force until it is proved that
the Jack Rubenstein in our records is
the same person as the Jack Rubenstein
who shot Oswald. The names Hyman
and Ann are common names and our
records only mention an H. Rubinstein
and a Dr. Annette Rubinstein. I should
mention, however, that in all my seven
years of experience in conducting a vig-
orous probe I found only one instance
of such duplication of names. If the
Dallas Jack Rubenstein is not the same
.person as the Jack Rubenstein who
was a prominent official of the Young
Communist League in 1929, the Warren
commission should produce the real
Jack Rubenstein or account for his
whereabouts or death.
There was a story from Chicago that
the police records for this period (1929-
1930) have disappeared. When I held
Hearings in Chicago they had extensive
records of Communists, including their
fingerprints. But even if these records
are gone, I have furnished one who
will participate in the inquiry with the
names of known associates of the Com-
mittee's Jack Rubenstein. It is reason-
able to believe that some of these asso-
ciates are alive. Somewhere there must
be a photograph of the Jack Rubenstein
who was in the Young Communist
League in 1929.
The H. Rubinstein and Ann Rubin-
stein could well be different persons
than the H. Rubinstein and Dr. An-
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A Jack Rubenstein was a member of th«
Executive Board of the Young Communist League.
nette Rubinstein mentioned in our
Hearings. Unless it is proved other-
wise it must be assumed that they are
different persons; but even if they are,
it Amis ii'ot explain the fact that in
1929 rher? was a ]ac\ Rubenstein in the
Communist apparatus. Or does it, Mr.
Justice Warren?
VII
Even if the Jack Rubenstein who
shot Oswald is a different person frcrn
the- Jack Rubenstein who was on the
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
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Executive Bureau of the Young Com-
munist League in 1929, there are other
suspicious circumstances about Ruben-
stein's role in the assassination which
must be explained.
According to a story appearing in the
Dallas Morning News of January
twenty-first, Jack Rubenstein went to
Cuba in 1959, about nine months after
Castro became that country's Com-
munist dictator.
A report which appeared in the
Houston Chronicle December 1, 1963
said: "Ruby (he had changed his name
to Ruby from Rubenstein in 1947) was
born Jack Rubenstein in Chicago, where
he was known to police as a labor or-
ganizer, a ticket 'scalper' and a
gambler with reputed underworld ac-
quaintances." Victor Riesel reports in
his column dated November 30, 1963,
that he had discovered that Ruby's night
spot at one time was a haunt of Chicago
hoods who came to Dallas to "case it"
for a possible "take." He also disclosed
what he found out about the under-
world connections of Rubenstein when
he lived in Chicago.
Jack Rubenstein has one of the best
known and highest-paid lawyers in
America, who announced that $100,000
in cash had been raised for his client's
bail bond. At the hearing to determine
whether to grant Rubenstein a bail
bond, two psychiatrists testified he
was mentally unbalanced. One was
Dr. Walter Bromberg, Clinical Director
of the Pine wood Psychiatric Hospital
in Westchester County, New York.
The other was Dr. Roy Schafer, a psy-
chologist on the staff of Yale Univer-
sity. It further appears uncontradicted
that he cultivated Dallas policemen
who frequently visited his night club.
If he is mentally sick and has been for
many years, even in his childhood, is it
not strange that some friend, some
member of his large family, or some
policeman would not have said or done
something to indicate that someone
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VIII
Who is it that is so anxious to defend
an obscure operator of a third-rate night
club with the record Ruby is reported
to have?
An Associated Press story sum-
marized the report of the FBI as con-
cluding that "Lee Oswald was the
solitary and unaided assassin and that
]acl{ Ruby had no connection with Os-
wald or his deadly plan." And, Victor
Riesel reported that the White House
was desperately "eager to avoid an
international incident by appearing to
give the slightest insinuation of an
international plot to assassinate John
Kennedy."
It appears fantastic that this operator
of a cheap night club would receive aid
from every influential source. I am now
staring at the headline which appeared
on the front page of the Houston
Chronicle of January twenty-first. That
headline reads, " 'Hero-minded' Ruby
awaits word on Bail." Another story
says he cried. Still another reports that
when he was interviewed on television
he "broke down" when he spoke of
President Kennedy. We are told by
his friends, and some members of his
family, of his great emotional upheaval
when he learned of the President's
death.
At first the defense fed the propa-
ganda mills the story that his "great
devotion" to the President produced
temporary insanity which was respon-
sible for his act. This "Une" became
ridiculous in the light of the revelation
that he did not view the cavalcade, nor
pay his poll tax, and that he loitered
around the jail with a gun from the
time Oswald was imprisoned until he
had an opportunity to shoot Oswald.
The "temporary insanity" lasted too
long.
Of course Jack Rubenstein should
not be tried in the Press or by anyone
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who must rely upon Press stories. That
is not the American way. But when a
well-organized campaign, evidently
supplied with ample money, is con-
ducted to brainwash the American
people in advance of the trial we have
a duty to raise these honest questions.
IX
I KNOW THAT the great majority of
our people do not realize that there is,
and has been since the organization of
the Communist Party, a gravely men-
acing and remarkably successful Com-
munist Conspiracy — in the United
States and throughout the world.
Despite more than twenty years of in-
vestigation and the exposures of the
Committee on Un-American Activities,
the Internal Security Sub-Committee of
the Senate, and the vast quantity of
literature including the various public
statements of FBI Chief J. Edgar
Hoover, our people still do not under-
stand or believe that there is a sinister
conspiracy seeking the overthrow of
our country.
' One major reason is because few
people will read or heed the warnings
of the Red menace.
Another reason is that revelations
about this conspiracy are fantastic to the
Western mind. Many people stooped
to laugh about serious findings of the
Dies Committee. Unfortunately, the
media of information in this country
have too many times discredited grave
and truthful revelations as a "publicity
stunt." And this general disbelief, care-
fully and shrewdly encouraged by the
Communists, has greatly facilitated
■ their conquest of one-third of the
world's population. But I have listened
to the testimony of many credible
former Communists, including the man
who was in charge of their espionage
for Western Europe (who himself died
'in a Washington hotel under mys-
terious circumstances) and I have
helped uncover Communist crimes; and
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names corresponding to those of known Reds.
from all this experience, study, and
observation I can often recognize the
"fine hand" of the Communist Con-
spiracy.
If the newspaper reports from which
I quote in this and the succeeding
article are correct, certain conclusions
are inescapable. Since these conclusions
are based upon newspaper and television
reports, I do not of course pretend that
they are in any sense final. If all of the
sworn evidence available is received
and released uncensored and undoc-
tored by the Warren commission, it
could render my conclusions incorrect.
But my long study, investigation, and
observation of the modus operandi of
the Communist Conspiracy leads mc
to certain tentative conclusions.
On the basis of what has been re-
ported by reliable and trustworthy
reporters, I believe that Oswald was
acting under instructions which had
their original source in Moscow, proba-
bly relayed through Castro. How Os-
wald received these instructions I do
not know. He may have gotten them
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702
when he went to Mexico City ostensibly
to apply for a visa to Russia by way of
Cuba, or he may have gone to Mexico
City to arrange for his escape after the
murder of the President. He may have
received his orders through one of the
numerous Communist couriers who
enter and leave this country at will.
I believe that the reason Oswald was
not granted citizenship, which would
have been of great propaganda value to
the Communists, v/as because he was of
far greater value to the Communists as
an American citizen than as a Soviet
citizen. In permitting him to marry a
Russian girl, to travel freely in Russia,
a'^d to be issued a work permit, the
Communists obviously realized that
they could use him for some purpose.
He may have been analyzed as useful up
to a point. I have seen cards the Com-
munists kept of fellow travelers: Each
fellow traveler was carefully studied
and tried and his value to the cause
stated on the card.
I believe that Oswald was acting in
accordance with the carefully con-
sidered plans of the most successful
conspirators the world has ever seen.
Those plans included a method of
escape. What it was may never be
discovered. It may well have been that
the plan included the liquidation of
Oswald. Of course this part of the plan
would have been unknown to him. But
if the Communists believed that Oswald
would talk under strong pressure the
plan certainly included his death.
One thing is certain — the murder
of the officer was not planned. Com-
munists, the same as the criminal
underworld, forbid the slaying of
policeme"^. under such circumstances
because they know that the chances of
apprehension are grealy increased. A
police force cannot let the murder of a
policeman escape detection and punish-
ment because all policemen would be
in greater jeopardy. It may be, there-
fore, that the murder of this policeman
by Oswald was his death knell. No
Communist is ever permitted to disobey
an order or -ignore any detail of his
instructions.
As to the reason Moscow and Castro
wanted the liquidation of President
Kennedy, no one will ever know. Of
one thing we may be certain: The
reason, to the Communists, was urgent.
Further speculation is idle.
In my opinion it is unlikely that the
Communist conspiracy to kill the Presi-
dent will ever be fully proved. Even if
there were evidence linking this crime
to a Communist country, it is doubtful
that the evidence would ever be re-
leased, for fear of an international "in-
cident" or harm to international policy.
On February fourth, Chief Justice-
Warren said that~the commission had
heard testimony which might not be
available in a lifetime. On February
fifth, he said that he was being "a little
facetious" in his statement but that
some of the testimony could possibly
touch on national security matters. It
is therefore probable that the truth will
never be known about the murder of
Mr. Kennedy and the reasons Ruben-
stein murdered Communist Oswald,
unless patriotic individuals and or-
ganizations discover and publish the
truth. ■ ■
WHAT HATH GOD WROUGHT?.
H In a friendly exchange of telegrams recently the chairman of the Amherst Town
Committee, Carl A. Keyser, edged Governer Nelson Rockefeller in the political game of
upmanship. Here are the telegrams: "To Carl Keyser: "Happy and I want you to know
that Ass't Atty. Gen. Don Whitehead and Rep. Bob Hahn, both of Stoughton, have agreed
to head my Massachusetts campaign. We would deeply appreciate any advice and assistance
you can give Don and Bob. Cordially, Nelson A. Rockefeller." "To Nelson A. Rockefeller:
"Dottie and I want Happy and you to know that we are already committed to Peggy and
Barry. Please advise Don and Bob. Carl A. Keyser."
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Revilo P. Oliver is Professor of Classics
in the University of Illinois. During
World War II, he was Director of Re-
search in a secret
agency of the War f
Department. He has
traveled widely. Dr.
Oliver is an acade-
mician of interna-
tional reputation
who has published
scholarly articles in four languages with-
in the pages of twelve learned period-
icals in the United States and Europe.
■ Henceforth, no American has an
excuse for illusion. He has had an
ocular demonstration of who and what
his enemies arc. And that lesson is
repeated every day as his enemies, reck-
lessly exposing themselves, try to carry
out their original plan in spite of
Comrade Oswald's bungling.
The assassination and its aftermath
must have given to many Americans
the shock that each of us must some-
how feel in his own being before he
can understand what Communists real-
ly are and why they are seeking to kill
or enslave him. That understanding
does not automatically come from mere
information* We all carry in our minds
a great accumulation of items of in-
formation, such as that a continent lies
under the ice of Antarctica or that the
natives of the Andaman Islands arc
pygmies, which have no effect on our
thinking l)ecause such facts seem ir-
relevant to our own lives. By this time,
every literate American has in his own
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mind a good deal of information about
Communists, although often as de-
tached and unrelated items that seeni
remote from his quotidian concerns.
Even copious and systematic informa-
tion may remain, so to speak, inert in
the mind until illumined by a percep-
tion that carries conviction.
The Moment Of Truth
The perception usually comes from
some personal experience or observa-
tion. It may be some minor shock, such
as the falling apple is said to have given
Newton; but at that shock a thousand
bits of scattered knowledge latent in the
mind arrange themselves into a coherent
whole and exhibit a basic truth.
When I was a youngster, I knew a
man of substance who told me that he
had almost been enlisted in a Com-
munist-front operation to release from
prison a creature named Mooney, who
had murdered nine persons in Cali-
fornia to show how much he loved
Humanity. Although moved by the
plausible and pathetic story told him
by the Editor of a "literary" periodical,
the gentleman was canny enough to
check a few facts and then visit the
headquarters of the organization solici-
ting his support. His unannounced visit
gave him his moment of perception. He
returned with the conviction that he
had seen specimens of a criminal gang
that was burrowing its way beneath the
foundations of society, bent on under-
mining the whole nation. I thought his
alarm preposterous, and, I am afraid,
smiled at it.
In college, I could not overlook the
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1— Continued
704
young Communists. It required no
great acumen to see that their idealistic
squeakings about "social justice" and
the "downtrodden" Were mere pretense
to cover the malice and phrenetic
rancors seething within them. But I did
not really understand them until I met,
during the great Crusade to Save the
Soviet, a young lawyer who had been
provided with a direct commission and
a "vital" job in Washington to preserve
him from the kind of military service
that may be bad for the skin. He ex-
plained to me the wickedness of mak-
ing a profit, and he told me how
"social justice" would come to business-
men. "We'll shoot them in the belly,"
he said rapturously; "they die longer
that way." And the greasy-faced creature
licked its dry lips.
A professional man tells me that his
moment carne at the time that Ir-
reproachable Ike, violating the Consti-
tution he had sworn to uphold, used
the Army to help the Warren Crew get
the race war under way. He was talking
to a clergyman of the "social gospel"
variety whose emotional perturbation
he did not understand until some in-
discreet exclamations let him see that
the holy man was inwardly trembling
with eagerness for news that Amer-
icans had been bayonetted or machine-
gunned on the streets of Little Rock.
The moment came to another man
when he was one of a party of four in
the bar of a private club. One of the
four, an evidently urbane and cultivated
gentleman — who had come to the
United States as a refugee and had been
given a salary and security that he
could never have attained in the land
whence he came — took a Scotch or two
too many and began to make it pain-
fully clear that he regarded Americans
as detestable swine who need to be
taught, with the toe of a boot, their
place in One World.
A university professor tells me that
his moment came two years ago when a
senior colleague, who had for many
years pontificated about the "market-
place of ideas," and, serene as a seated
Buddha, had beamed benignly when
Gus Hall and Gordon Hall spoke on
the campus, "because we need to hear
all sides," began to yell like a Comanche
at a scalp-dance. What had shattered
academic serenity was the discovery that
there was a horrible "hate-sheet" read
by "Fascist war-mongers" who must be
"stamped out" or, at least, have their
teeth kicked in. As for contributors to
the hate-sheet, said the Sakya Muni of
Academic Freedom, whom I quote
verbatim, "they must be exterminated.
Shooting is too good for them." The
hate-sheet in question was that mild
and self-consciously "moderate" fort-
nightly, National Review, and my in-
formant believes that the Double Dome
would have run amok with a kris, had
he even suspected the existence of
American Opinion. As it was, however,
the yells sufficed to make my informant
suddenly realize what makes "Liberals"
tick — and he compared them to certain
well wrapped and disguised packages
that are occasionally discovered by a
postal inspector or the baggage master
of an airline because they also tick.
A New Yorker says that his moment
came early in December when he read
a column by Walter Lippmann, whom
he had long supposed to be suffering
from nothing more serious than a
cerebrum bloated with ideals. In that
column the punctate pundit, wrapping
his feet about his neck in one of his
customary verbal twists, claimed that
"in a free {sic\ country" criticism of
"Civil Rights and Russia" is "inherent-
ly subversive." Not content with having
thus exposed himself, Big-Brained Walt
went on tactlessly to yowl that because
Oswald scored a bull's-eye, "the only
solace for the nation's [//c] shame and
grief can come from a Purge" — a purge,
of course, of the awful Americans who
think they still have a country. Thus,
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said my correspondent, was long covert
hatred of Americans and dissembled
blood-lust made manifest for all to see.
It is possible, to be sure, that the quoted
phrase was just lipography, and that
Lippmann meant something else, such
as forced feeding of castor oil to Amer-
icans; but the phrase served to give at
least one of his readers an impulse to
put together and comprehend many data
that his mind was holding in suspen-
sion.
Ex uno disce omnes
Oswald was a young Communist
punk, but, aside from his fortuitous
notoriety, there was nothing unusual
about him. You have seen thousands
like him, and you are paying taxes to
breed or nourish swarms of them.
You saw a representative selection of
them in that excellent film. Operation
Abolition, which is now more timely
than ever. You saw the veteran crimi-
nals, who should have been deported
or imprisoned long ago, riot and yell at
the House Committee, an official delega-
tion of the highest governmental au-
thority in our nation. You will not
have failed to recognize in them rabid
beasts grown insolent with long im-
punity. You saw also the rioting swarms
of young creatures that had crawled out
from the woodwork of the University
of California and other tax-supported
institutions of "higher learning." You
had an opportunity to study their hate-
contorted faces.
You can see fledgling Oswalds in the
flesh whenever, as occasionally happens,
a loyal American is permitted to speak
on or near a college campus. The young
"progressives" will be there to jeer and
quibble. It will be instructive to observe
how many are deformed in body or
feature as well as mind, and, if you
approach near enough, you can see the
hatred glistening in beady eyes. (For a
close approach, a handkerchief sprinkled
with ammonia will minimize the dis-
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comfort.) And you should reflect that
you are financing, directly through taxes
or contributions of indirectly through
the institution's tax-exemption, the
hatching and "education" of young
murderers.
You can see the species wherever you
look. And with just a little patience and
dexterity, you can make all but the
most hardened and experienced disclose
their inner emotions — perhaps in a
spate of verbiage, but at least for a
moment in an unguarded word or glare
in the eyes; and you will feel like a
swimmer who has glimpsed, six fathoms
down, the flat, greenish flicker of a
turning shark.
You can see them on television, on
the floor of Congress, and in their
pulpits; you can read them in the Press.
And you need have no doubts. Whether
they are trying crudely or subtly to use
the Communists' assassination of Ken-
nedy to incite hatred against "right-
wing extremists," you can no longer
fancy that they are just ignorant "intel-
lectuals" with mixed-up ganglia. They
are lying. They are lying with conscious
calculation. They are lying with mur-
derous intent.
You cannot mistake them when, in
your very presence and with breath-
taking effrontery, they discharge the
diseased hatreds and homicidal lusts
that fester in their gangrenous little
minds.
From direct observation, you, as an
American, can now recognize your en-
emy and know what he is. And if ever
you are tempted to doubt the evidence
of your own eyes and ears, remember
that such monsters are no novelty —
that in the brief span of man's sad and
dolorous history one can find almost
innumerable recorded instances of recru-
descent savagery and of the frenzied
and exacerbated rage of anthropoid
beasts that cannot bear to be dragged
toward civilization and humanity. The
best illustration in a book that I have
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
706
seen is Louis Zoul's Thugs and Com-
munists (Public Opinion, Long Island
City 4; cf. American Opinion, January,
1962, pp. 29-36).
The vital thing is that you, as an
American, realize that you are being
hunted by a feral and stealthy pack.
And that this is no nightmare, from
which you will automatically awaken
in a moment, nor yet is it a vision ex-
cited by the writers who strove to be
more outre than Poe. That is a reality
which you must face, if you are to sur-
vive at all.
The Time Is Now
With the nature of our enemies thus
made manifest, and with such unmis-
takable indications of their numbers and
power, an American who does not
wilfully close his eyes and drug his
mind can scarcely escape a perception
of tne magnitude and immediacy of
our peril. This is the year of decision.
We cannot hope for a complete victory
this year, but we must end thirty years
of unvaried retreat and, for a change,
advance a little to recover some of the
ground we have lost and to turn the
tide of battle. A mer^ stalemate is
scarcely possible, and another defeat will
be our last. With another defeat, you
and I may not be alive in 1965 — or, if
we are, we may regret it.
Now that Providence has given us a
last chance, we must use it wisely and
well. We must act with courage and
determination, and, above all, with a
rational and realistic understanding of
our situation. We are fighting against
enormous, though not insuperable odds,
and we shall need the utmost effort of
every American who will work with us.
Our greatest handicap is that we, un-
like our enemies, do not have a unified
and secret command which plans the
total strategy without need to disclose
or explain it to anyone, and which
carries out that strategy by issuing
orders that are obeyed without question.
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Against a conspiracy that makes its de-
cisions in secret and coordinates with
the efficiency of a single organism the
movements of its numerous and often
hidden tentacles, we can oppose only
the voluntary efforts of individuals who
are loosely organized into a large num-
ber of voluntary organizations, which
must, in turn, voluntarily cooperate
with one another. In these circum-
stances a secret strategy is impossible,
and we must rely on the rationality and
self-control of responsible individuals to
supply that minimum of unity and
coordination without which we could
do nothing against a conspiracy that
has almost absolute control over its
agents through its appeal to their
criminal instincts, their complicity in
past crimes, and, if need be, fear.
Our enemies plan in secret, but they
have a standard technique for dealing
with Americans that has long been
obvious to every observer. While the
vast majority of Americans are kept,
so far as possible, in a state of ignorant
complacency and confusion by the lie-
machine, conservative and patriotic or-
ganizations are destroyed by inciting
them to fight one another and by
paralyzing each one with internal dis-
sension. That technique has been used
for more than forty years, and, without
exception until the past few years, ac-
complished its purpose speedily and
infallibly. Its success depended partly
upon our enemies' vast financial re
sources and long experience in covert
and subtle manipulation of individuals,
but even more on the fact that loyal
Americans are divided in their personal
interests aind beliefs.
That we Americans are so divided is
our basic weakness in the present
struggle, but it is not one of which we
need be ashamed. It is the weakness of
all societies of free men, and hence it is,
in large part, precisely what we arc
trying to preserve. But our conflicts of
interest and belief must be candidly ad-
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
707
mitted and accurately defined, if we are
not to succumb to the manipulations of
our enemies.
The Unity Of Dissension
As Americans, our one bond of
effective unity is the American tradi-
tion, which is, in its essentials, a severely
practical one. It is our first and most
urgent duty to take a lesson from our
forefathers, tlie citizens of the tliirteen
colonies, who, confronted by over-
whelming odds, achieved independence
because they had the intelligence and
self-control never to lose sight of their
real objective; although the colonies
were deeply divided by opposed eco-
nomic interests, vehement religious dis-
sensions, and cultural difference that
were, within the ambit of Western
civilization, comparatively great. The
governing bodies of each colony well
knew that they could make an ex-
tremely advantageous settlement by de-
serting the other twelve. And the larger
colonies must have been often tempted
to seek opportunities, during the long
struggle, of extending their influence
and power at the expense of ethers in
the hope of dominating whatever con-
federation might come out of inde-
pendence.
A desperate undertaking, which most
political analysts would have pro-
nounced impossible a priori for peoples
so sundered by divergent interests and
creeds, succeeded because — and only
because — our forefathers were able to
transcend those differences and main-
tain an effective unity for the specific
and strictly limited purpose of attaining
political freedom.
Our task as Americans today is to
attain and maintain an effective unity
for the specific and strictly limited pur-
pose of (a) preserving our national in-
dependence by recovering our federal
government from the international
vermin who have stealthily captured it,
and (b) restoring as rapidly as may be
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— and that will be over a period of more
than a decade — our Constitutional gov-
ernment that those vermin have all but
totally subverted. As a practical impera-
tive, all other purposes, however pas-
sionately important they may be to us
personally, must be recognized as sec-
ondary and even irrelevant, so far as
the cause in which we must unite is
concerned.
Our problem, I grant, is far more
complex and delicate than that which
confronted our forefathers. Their of>-
ponents were men who frankly and
honorably declared themselves and dis-
dained disguise. Our enemies are secret
criminals whose principal weapon has
always been deceit, dissimulation, and
stealthy subversion. But our problem,
surely, is not beyond the power of
reason. And we should derive a stimu-
lus to use it from the consideration that
we have much more at stake than did
our forefathers.
Who Is The Enemy?
Every one of us who tries to calculate
our chances of victory must be contin-
ually astonished, and not infrequently
dismayed, by the fantastic fact that what
should be our greatest strength is also
our greatest weakness. We have so in-
dulged our human propensities to senti-
mentality and emotionalism, and we
have been so subtly conditioned to fear
shibboleths and bugaboos, that we
squander in acrimonious debate over
conjectures the energies which, if ra-
tionally directed, could save us from
annihilation.
Our enemy is the International Com-
munist Conspiracy. Of that, there can
be no possible doubt. Every time the
fetid nest of vermin in Washington
spends our money and (usually) the
lives of American soldiers to enslave
and barbarize another country, that
country is invariably handed over to
Communists — never to Fabian Social-
ists, lUuminati, or similar groups. East
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
708
Germany, Poland, Czecho-Slovakia,
China, Cuba, and the many others are
all obviously and notoriously Com-
niunist provinces. And it is perfectly
obvious that what the nest is preparing
for the United States, through "civil
rights," disarmament, and the like, is a
Cotnmtinist regime.
Although the Conspiracy is secret, we
have learned a great deal about it by
(a) studying its operations, and (b)
utilizing the testimony of defectors
from the Conspiracy and of our own
counter-espionage agents who were able
to penetrate some distance into the or-
ganization. The information thus ob-
tained is necessarily incomplete, and,
for obvious reasons, it becomes the
more scanty, the nearer we approach
the Conspiracy's inner core; and fails
us completely before we reach that core.
The information that we have is
sufficient to give us a good working
knowledge of the general structure of
the Conspiracy, although, of course,
there are a great many details and pos-
sibly some very important elements
about which we urgently need to know
more.
Only the most naive persons today
are puzzled by the operations of what
is the lowest level in the Conspiracy
(although it includes persons of great
social or political prominence). The
Conspiracy, engaged in total subversion,
naturally finds and exploits all the
weaknesses that are inherent in our
society as in all human societies. It
finds, and uses as its unconscious instru-
ments, fat-heads and dunces who can
be stirred to glutinous sentimentality
or a rancorous resentment of their
betters. But it uses above all the crimi-
nal tendencies that always have been
present in all large populations and al-
ways will be present to the utmost
verge of the foreseeable future. Every
large aggregation of human beings pro-
duces, by biological necessity, its sneak-
thieves, robbers, shysters, "intellectuals,"
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perverts, sadists, and other degenerates.
As is known to everyone who has
thought about it at all, the continued
existence of a civilization, like that of
a large city, depends on the efficiency
of the sewage system that disposes of
its organic waste: On this level, all that
the Conspiracy has to do is stop up the
sewers (which civilized societies seem
naturally disposed to neglect anyway,
since no one likes to think about such
unpleasant necessities). By this time, we
have all learned not to waste time
arguing whether a given person, who
is knowingly servmg the Conspiracy's
ends, is a member, an accomplice, a
hireling, or just a petty criminal who
has been given opportunity and en-
couragement.
The structure of the main Communist
apparatus in this country is reasonably
clear. There is a large number of them
and, so far as is known, they operate
independently of one another. The
official Communist Party, the more con-
cealed "Trotskyite" apparatus, the mili-
tary and naval espionage rings directed
from the various Sovtet embassies, the
industrial and technological espionage
directed from the various consulates,
and the Secret Police arc all controlled
directly from Moscow, and are believed
to have no contact with one another in
this country, except that the Secret
Police watch all the others and probably
supervise the transfer of talented crimi-
nals, recruited by the Party, to the luuic
secret units. The vast crypto-Com-
munist apparatus no longer has large
cells, such as the one of which the in-
famous Hiss was a member; and is now
so organized that no cell has more
than three members and most of the
criminals know the identity only of the
superior from whom they receive orders.
Most observers believe that this opera-
tion is handled by the Secret Police.
There are other apparatus and trans-
mission belts, some possibly of strategic
importance, which may operate in this
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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued
709
country independently of the ones I
have mentioned. But given the crimi-
nals' success in preventing or halting
all official inquiry into their more clan-
destine activities in the United States,
we can only speculate about the chain
of command in operations that we can-
not even prot/e to be Communist. Most
observers would agree in identifying
some of these by cogent inference from
copious circumstantial evidence; about
others, so little is known that com-
petent observers differ widely in the
surmises that they base on admittedly
fragmentary indications; and it is quite
possible that there are some whose true
nature has not even been suspected.
So far as we know, however, the
various Bolshevik apparatus are con-
trolled from Moscow. Whenever we
can trace their organization at all, we
can follow the wires until they disap-
pear in the massive walls of the Krem-
lin. (Ill recent years, some circuits have
been rewired so that the lines from
this country go to Peking; cf. American
Opinion, January, 1964, p. 71. That
merely shows that a new exchange has
been installed for operational con-
venience.) All observers, I believe,
would agree that, so far as is known,
the criminals in our country get their
orders, directly or indirectly, from Mos-
cow.
Now there are very good reasons for
believing that die foul brute that is
titular Bess in the Kremlin is merely
a subordinate, an executive of limited
powers. So long as the unspeakable
thing called Stalin was alive, most (but
not all) observers thought that he was
the real head of the Conspiracy. Events
subsequent to the death (or, perhaps,
liquidation) of that monster have made
it increasingly apparent to judicious
observers that the organization of the
Conspiracy is more complex than was
once generally supposed — that the
bloody beast named Khrushchev is like
a "star" in a show on Broadway in that
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