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INVESTIGATION OF 
THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY 



HEARINGS 

Before the President's Commission 

on the Assassination 

of President Kennedy 



Pursuant to Executive Order 11130, an Executive order creating a 
Commission to ascertain, evaluate, and report upon the facts relating 
to the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy and the 
subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination 
and S.J. Res. 137, 88th Congress, a concurrent resolution conferring 
upon the Commission the power to administer oaths and affirmations, 
examine witnesses, receive evidence, and issue subpenas 



EXHIBITS 
GALLAGHER to OLIVER 

Volume 
XX 



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UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 

WASHINGTON, D.C. 



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U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, WASHINGTON : 1964 

For sale in complete sets by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office 

Washington, D.C., 20402 



PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION 

ON THE 

ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY 



Chief Justice Earl Warren. Chairman 

Senator Richard B. Russei.i. Representative Gerald R. Ford 

Senator John Sherman Cooper Mr. Allen W. Dulles 

Representative Hale Boggs Mr. John J. McCloy 



J. Lee Rankin, General Counsel 
Assistant Counsel 

Francis W. H. Adams Albert E. Jenner, Jr. 

Joseph A. Ball Wesley J. Liebeler 

David W. Belin Norman Redlich 

William T. Coleman, Jr. W. David Slawson 

Melvin Aron Eisenberg Arlen Specter 

Burt W. Griffin Samuel A. Stern 

Leon D. Hubert, Jr. Howard P. Willens* 



Staff Members 

Phillip Barson 
Edward A. Conroy 
John Hart Ely 
Alfred Goldberg 
Murray J. Laulicht 
Arthur Marmor 
Richard M. Mosk 
John J. O'Brien 
Stuart Pollak 
Alfredda Scobey 
Charles N. Shaffer, Jr. 



Biographical information on the Commissioners and the staff can be found in 
the Commission's Report. 



*Mr. Willens also acted as liaison between the Commission and the Department of 
Justice. 

iii 



Contents 



Gallagher, John F. P<we 

1 1-2 

Letter from the FBI to the Commission, dated March 18, 1964. 

Gangl, Theodore F. 

1 3 

Copy of an application for employment filled out by Lee Harvey 
Oswald for employment with the Padgett Printing Corp., dated 
October 4, 1963. 

Garner, Jesse J. 

1 4 

Photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald handing out "Hands Off Cuba" 
leaflets. 

Gibson, John 

A 4 

Photograph showing the interior of the Texas Theatre. 

Giesecke, Dr. Adolph H. 

1 5-7 

Copy of a statement made by Dr. Adolph H. Giesecke to the ad- 
ministrator of Parkland Memorial Hospital, dated November 25, 
1963. 

Goodson, Clyde F. 

1 8 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Clyde F. Goodson, 
dated June 19, 1964. 

Grant, Eva L. 

1 9-15 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Eva L. Grant, dated 

November 25, 1963. 
2 16 

Copy of an FBI report of a telephone conversation with Eva L. 

Grant, dated November 30, 1963. 
3 17 

Copy of an FBI report of a telephone conversation with Eva L. 

Grant, dated December 2, 1963. 
4 18 

Copy of an FBI report of a telephone conversation with Eva L. 

Grant, dated January 2, 1964. 

Graves, Gene 

1 19-21 

Copies of weekly time cards, dated July 21, 1962, through Oc- 
tober 13, 1962, submitted by Lee Harvey Oswald while employed 
with the Leslie Welding Co. 

Graves, L. C. 

5003-A 22 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with L. C. Graves, dated 

November 25, 1963. 
5003-B 23 

Copy of the first page of an FBI report of an interview with L. C. 

Graves, dated November 25, 1963. 
5003-C 24 

Copy of the second page of the FBI report described in Graves 

Exhibit No. 5003-B. 



Gray, Virginia P<^« 

1 25-26 

Copy of a letter addressed "Dear Sirs" from Lee Harvey Oswald, 
dated October 3, 195G, and a copy of an advertisement addressed 
to "The Socialist Call," filled out by Lee Harvey Oswald. 

Greener, Charles 

1 27 

Photograph of Irving Sports Shop repair tag No. 1837. 
2 28-30 

Copy of a newspaper clipping published in the New York Times 

on Friday, November 29, 1963. 
3-^ 31 

Photographs of the C2766 rifle. 
Gregory, Charles F. 

1 32-36 

Copies of five diagrams showing the position of wounds suffered 

by Governor Connally on November 22, 1963. 

Hall, C. Ray 

1 37-iO 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Jack Ruby, dated 

November 25, 1963. 
2 41-46 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Jack Ruby, dated 

November 25, 1963. 
3 47-62 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Jack Ruby, dated 

December 25, 1963. 
4 63 

Copy of handwritten notes made by C. Ray Hall, setting forth the 

circumstances of an interview with Jack Ruby on November 24, 

1963. 

Hall, Marvin E. 

1 64^67 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Marvin E. Hall, 
dated June 25, 1964. 

Hallmark, Garnett C. 

1 68-72 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Garnett C. Hallmark, 
dated December 11, 1963. 

Hankal, Robert L. 

5337 73-75 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert L. Hankal, 

dated December 3, 1963. 
5338 76 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by Robert L. Hankal. 

Hansen, Timothy M. 

1 77-80 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Timothy M. Hansen, 

dated December 11, 1963. 
2 80 

Sketch drawn by Timothy M. Hansen of the intersection of Main 

and Harwood Streets in Dallas. 

Hardin, Michael M. 

5125-512G 81 

Copy of ambulance call tickets, dated November 24, instructing 
that Lee Harvey Oswald be taken from city jail to Parkland. 

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Hardin, Michael M.— Continued -P^fe 

5127 81 

Copy of charges for ambulance services, dated November 23, 1963, 
made out to Lee Harvey Oswald. 

Harrison, William J. 

5027 82 

Sketch drawn by William J. Harrison of the subbasement of the 

Police and Courts Building. 
5028 82 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by William J. Harrison. 
5029 83-86 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with William J. Harrison, 

dated December 6, 1963. 
5030 87 

Copy of a letter from William J. Harrison to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 24, 1963. 
5031 88 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with William J. Harrison, 

dated November 25, 1963. 

Hartogs, Renatus 

1 89-90 

Copy of psychiatrist's report of an examination of Lee Harvey 
Oswald, made by Dr. Renatus Hartogs and dated May 7, 1953. 

Helmick, Wanda 

1 91 

Sketch drawn by Wanda Helmick of the inside of the Bull Pen 
Drive-In in Dallas. 

Herndon, Bell P. 

1-12 92-155 

Charts from the polygraph examination of Jack Ruby. 

Hill, Gerald L. 

A 156 

Photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald being subdued in the Texas 

Theatre. 
B 156 

Photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald being taken from the Texas 

Theatre. 
C 157 

Photograph of crowd in front of the Texas Theatre during the 

arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald. 

Hill, Jean L. 

5 158 

Sketch drawn by Jean L. Hill showing her location at the time of 
the assassination. 

Hodge, Alfred D. 

1 159 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Alfred D. Hodge, dated 
November 24, 1963. 

Holland, S. M. 

A 160 

Hand-drawn sketch of the Triple Underpass showing the position 

of S. M. Holland at the time of the assassination. 
B 161 

Photograph taken by S. M. Holland shovdng his son at the railing 

of the Triple Underpass above Elm Street in Dallas. 

vii 



Holland, S. M.— Continued ^o^c 

C 162 

Photograph taken by S. M. Holland from above the Triple Under- 
pass on Elm Street and the Texas School Book Depository 
Building. 

D 163 

Copy of sworn affidavit of S. M. Holland, dated November 22, 1963. 

Holly, Harold B. 

5109 164-165 

Copy of a letter from Jack Revill to Chief Jesse E. Curry, datetl 

December 1, 1963. 
5110 166-170 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Harold B. Holly, dated 

December 7, 1963. 
5111 171 

Copy of a letter from A. M. Eberhardt to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 29, 1963. 

Holmes, Harry D. 

1 172 

Copy of an application for post office box 6225, by Lee Harvey 

Oswald, dated November 1, 1963. 
1-A 173 

Sample form for application for post office box. 
2 174 

Copy of a Klein's advertisement of a 6.5 Italian carbine, taken 

from Field and Stream magazine, November 1963. 
2-A 175 

Copy of an application for post office box 5475 by Jack Ruby, 

dated November 7, 1963. 
3 176 

Copy of an application for post office box 2915, by Lee Harvey 

Oswald, dated October 9, 1962. 
3-A 176 

Change-of -address card for Lee Harvey Oswald, dated October 11, 

1963. 
4 177-180 

Statement of Harry D. Holmes, dated December 17, 1963. 
5 181 

Copy of circular entitled "Wanted for Treason." 
6 182 

Copy of an application for post office Box 5475 by Jack Ruby, 

dated November 7, 1963. 

Hudson, Emmett J. 

1 183 

Photograph of Presidential motorcade taken by Phil Willis. 

Huffaker, Robert S. 

5331 184-185 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert S. Huffaker, 

dated November 28, 1963. 
5332 186-187 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert S. Huffaker, 

dated December 2, 1963. 
5333 188 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by Robert S. Huffaker. 

Hulen, Richard L. 

1 189 

Copy of an application by Jack Ruby for membership in the 
Dallas YMCA, dated September 2. 1958. 

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Hulen, Richard L. — (Continued ^«^« 

2 189 

Handwritten list of four ir)62 entries and one 1963 entry entitled 
"Residence — Lee Oswald." 

3 190 

Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald 
indicating that he spent the evening of October 15, 1962, there. 

4 190 

Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald 
Indicating that he spent the evening of October 16, 1962, there. 

5 191 

Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald 
indicating that he spent the evening of October 16, 1962, there. 

6 191 

Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas YMCA to Lee Harvey Oswald 
indicating that he spent the evening of October IS, 1962, there. 

7 192 

Copy of a receipt given by the Dallas I'MCA to Lee Harvey 
Oswald, indicating that he spent the evening of October 3, 1963, 
there. 

8 192 

A sample transient record card of the Dallas YMCA. 

9 193 

Ledger sheet of the Dallas YMCA showing payments of transient 
guests for October 15, October 16, and part of October 17, 1962. 

10 194 

Ledger sheet of the Dallas YMCA showing payments of transient 
guests for part of October 17, October 18, and part of October 19, 
1962. 

11 195 

Ledger sheet of the Dallas YMCA showing payments of transient 
guests for October 2, October 3, and part of October 4, 1963. 

12 196 

Copy of the Dallas YMCA residence hall report dated October 3, 
1963, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient in." 

13 197 

Copy of a Dallas YMCA residence hall report, dated October 4, 
1963, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient out." 

14 198 

Copy of a Dallas YMCA residence hall report dated October 15, 
1962, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient in." 

15 199 

Copy of a Dallas YMCA residence hall report dated Octoher 19, 
1962, showing Lee Harvey Oswald as a "transient out." 

Hulse, C. E. 

5135 200-201 

Copy of a radio call sheet of the Dallas Police Department, dated 
November 24, 1963. 

Hunley, Bobb W. 

1 202-203 

Copy of an interstate request for reconsideration of monetary 

determination filed by Lee Harvey Oswald on April 29, 1963. 
2. 204-205 

Copy of a continued interstate claim filed by Lee Harvey Oswald, 

dated September 3, 1963. 
3 206-207 

Copy of a continued interstate claim filed by Lee Harvey Oswald, 

dated May 7, 1963. 
4 208-209 

Copy of a document identical to Hunley Exhibit No. 1 except for 

some additional i)encil notes. 

ix 



Hunley, Bobb W.— Continued P<we 

5 210-211 

Copy of a continued interstate claim, executed by Lee Harvey 

Oswald, on July 30, 1963. 
6 212-213 

Copy of an interstate claim supplement, executed by Lee Harvey 

Oswald, on July 21, 1963. 
7 214-215 

Copy of a continued interstate claim filed by Lee Harvey Oswald, 

dated May 15, 1963. 

Isaacs, Martin 

1 216-231 

Documents in the files of the city of New York Department of 

Welfare relating to Lee Harvey Oswald. 
2 232-233 

Copy of a resource summary of the New York City Department of 

Welfare on Lee Harvey Oswald, dated June 13, 1962. 
3 234 

New York State Department of Welfare memorandum from Janet 

Ruscoll to Lula Jean Elliott, dated June 14, 1962, re Lee Harvey 

Oswald. 

James, Virginia H. 

1 235 

Department of State reference slip from B. Waterman to V. James, 

attaching a memorandum from the American Embassy in Moscow 

to the Department of State. 
2 236-237 

Department of State memorandum from Robert I. Owen to John 

E. Crump, dated March 16, 1962. 
3 238 

Telegram to the Secretary of State from the American Embassy in 

Moscow. 
3-A 239-240 

Department of State memorandum from Robert F. Hale to Michel 

Cieplinski. 
4 241 

Letter from Robert H. Robinson, Immigration and Naturalization 

Service, to Michel Cieplinski, Department of State, dated May 9, 

1962. 
5 242 

Memorandum to the Secretary of State from American Embassy 

in Moscow. 
6 243-244 

Copy of letter from Michel Cieplinski, Department of State, to 

Raymond F. Farrell, Inmiigration and Naturalization Service, 

dated March 27, 1962. 
7 245 

Telegram from the Department of State to the American Embassy 

in Moscow. 
8 246 

Telegram from the Department of State to the American Embassy 

in Moscow. 
9 247-249 

Transmittal slip from the Department of State to the American 

Embassy in Moscow, dated March 16, 1962, attaching memo- 
randum from Robert I. Owen to John E. Crump, dated March 16, 

1962. 
10 250 

Copy of letter from the Department of State to Marguerite Oswald. 

dated June 7, 1962. 

X 



James, Virginia H. — Continued ^*S'*^ 

11 251 

Telegram from the American Embassy in Moscow to the Secre- 
tary of State. 

Jenkins, Marion T. 

36 252-253 

Copy of a statement made by I>r. Marion T. Jenkins to the dean 
of the Southwestern Medical School, dated November 22, 1963, 
concerning the resuscitative efforts made in behalf of President 
John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. 

Jenkins, Ronald L. 

1 254-256 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Ronald L. Jenkins, 
dated December 10, 1963. 

Johnson, Arnold S. 

1 257-259 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Worker, dated June 10, 

1962. 
2 260 

Letter from Arnold S. Johnson to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated 

July 31, 1963. 
3 261 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Arnold S. Johnson, dated 

August 13, 1963. 
4 262-264 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Communist Party, dated 

August 28, 1963. 
4-A 265 

Letter from Arnold S. Johnson to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated 

September 19, 1963. 
5 266-268 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Mr. Bert of the Worker, dated 

August 31, with envelope. 
5-A 269 

Photograph of an advertisement for the Worker. 
6 270 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Communist Party, dated 

September 1, 1963. 
7 271-275 

Undated letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to Arnold S. Johnson, 

with envelope postmarked November 1, 1963. 

Johnson, Gladys J. 

A 276 

Copy of a roominghouse register, dated October 14, 1963, through 
November 25, 1963, bearing the signature O. H. Lee. 

Johnson, Priscilla M. 

1 277-285 

Copy of handwritten notes taken by Priscilla M. Johnson during 
an interview with Lee Harvey Oswald, on or about November 16, 
1959. 

2 286-289 

Copy of an article submitted by Priscilla Johnson to North Ameri- 
can Newspaper Alliance. 

3 290 

Copy of a newspaper clipping entitled "The Stuff of Which Fanat- 
ics Are Made," published in the Boston Globe, on November 24, 
1963. 

xi 



Johnson, Priscilla M. — Continued Page 

4 291 

Copy of a newspaper clipping of an interview with Priscilla John- 
son, published in the Christian Science Monitor, on November 25, 
1963. 

5 292-306 

Copy of a statement made by Priscilla Johnson to the Department 
of State. 

6 307-311 

Magazine clipping entitled "Oswald in Moscow," published in 
Harpers magazine in April 1964. 

Johnson, Speedy 

1 312 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview of Speedy Johnson, dated 
December 6, 1963. 

Johnston, David L. 

1 313-316 

Report prepared by David L. Johnston concerning certain events 
surrounding the assassination. 

2 317-318 

Copy of a handwritten list prepared by David L. Johnston of per- 
sons involved in the local investigation of the assassination. 

3 319-320 

Sworn aflSdavit of J. W. Fritz, dated November 22, 1963, charging 
Lee Harvey Oswald with the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit. 

4 321-322 

Sworn affidavit of J. W. Fritz, dated November 22, 1963, charging 
Lee Harvey Oswald with the murder of President John F. 
Kennedy. 

5 323-324 

Sworn aflSdavit of Robert E. McKinney, dated November 22, 1963, 
charging Lee Harvey Oswald with attempting to murder Gov- 
ernor Connally. 

Jones, Orville A. 

5054 325 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Orville A. Jones, dated 

November 25, 1963. 
5055 326-328 

Copy of a letter from Orville A. Jones to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 26, 1963. 
5056 329-331 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Orville A. Jones, dated 

December 2, 1963. 
5057 332 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by Orville A. Jones. 

Jones, Ronald C. 

1 333 

Copy of a statement made by Dr. Ronald C. Jones, dated Novem- 
ber 23, 1963, concerning the resuscitative efforts made in behalf 
of President John F. Kennedy on Noveml>er 22, 1963. 

Kaiser, Frankie 

A 384 

Photograph showing the point at which a clipboard was discov- 
ered in the Texas School Book Depository Building. 

B 334 

Photograph showing the window sill on which a coat was discov- 
ered in the domino room of the Texas School Book Depository 
Building. 

xii 



Kaiser, Frankie — Continued ^"-^^ 

C 335 

Photograph showing details of the window sill described in 
Kaiser Exhibit B. 

Kantor, Seth 

1 336 

Sketch drawn by Seth Kantor of the main entrance and emergency 
areas of Parkland Hospital in Dallas. 

2 337 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 
marked by Seth Kantor. 

3 338-402 

Handwritten notes made by Seth Kantor concerning events sur- 
rounding the assassination. 

4 403-121 

Notes typed from a tape recording made by Seth Kantor concern- 
ing President Kennedy's trip to Texas, November 21-22, 1963. 

5 422-426 

Handwritten notes made by Seth Kantor of an interview with 
Mrs. Michael Paine, and handwritten notes concerning Mrs. J. D. 
Tippit. 

6. 427 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Seth Kantor, dated 
December 3, 1963. 

7 428-432 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Seth Kantor, dated 
December 3, 1963. 

8 433-437 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Seth Kantor, dated 
January 3, 1964. 

Kaufman, Stanley F. 

1 438-439 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Stanley F. Kaufman, 
dated November 26, 1963. 

Kelley, Thomas J. 

A 440-446 

Memoranda of interviews with Lee Harvey Oswald on November 
23-24, 1963, as summarized by In.spector Thomas J. Kelley of the 
U.S. Secret Service. 

Kelly, Edward 

5133 447 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Edward Kelly, dated 
December 10, 1963. 

King, Glen D. 

1 448 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Glen D. King, dated 

January 31, 1964. 
2 449-450 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Glen D. King, dated 

December 11, 1963. 
3 451^52 

Copy of a letter from Glen D. King to Chief Jesse E. Curry, dated 

December 2, 1963. 
4 453-461 

Galley proof of a speech made by Glen D. King before the Amer- 
ican Society of Newspaper Editors. 
5 462-469 

Copy of the speech described in King Exhibit No. 4. 

xiii 



Kleinman, Abraham -Paj/e 

1 470-472 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Abraham Kleinman, 
dated December 10, 1963. 

Knight, Russell 

1 473 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Russell Lee Moore, 
a.k.a. Russ Knight, dated November 29, 1963. 

Kramer, Monica 

1-2 474-475 

Photographs taken on August 10, 19G1, in Central Square, Minsk, 
Russia. 

Kravitz, Herbert B. 

1 476 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Herbert B. Kravitz, 
dated November 29, 1963. 

Kriss, Harry M. 

5106 477 

Copy of a letter from Harry M. Kriss to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 26, 1963. 
5107 478-479 

Copy of an FBI reiwrt of an interview with Harry M. Kriss, 

dated December 4, 1963. 
5108 480 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by Harry M. Kriss. 

Lane, Doyle R. 

5118 481 

Copy of an application by .Tack Ruby for a money order, dated 
November 24, 1963. 

5119 481 

Copy of a money order receipt given to Jack Ruby, dated Novem- 
ber 24, 1963. 

Lawrence, Perdue W. 

1 482-488 

Handwritten instructions from Chief Batchelor to Perdue W. 
Lawrence, concerning traffic control for the Presidential motor- 
cade. 

2 489^-^95 

Copy of personnel assignments for the Presidential motorcade 
made by Perdue W. Lawrence, dated November 21, 1063. 

3 496 

Copy of supplementary assignments made by Perdue W. Lawrence, 
dated November 22, 1963. 

4 497-498 

Copy of a letter from I'erdue W. Lawrence to Chief Jesse E. 
Curry, dated July 15, 1964. 

Leavelle, James R. 

A 499-503 

Copy of a report by James R. Leavelle concerning the shooting of 

President John F. Kennedy and of Officer Tippit. 
5088 504-505 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with James R. Leavelle, 

dated November 25, 1963. 
5089 506-507 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with James K. Leavelle. 

dated December 11, 1963. 

xiv 



Leavelle, James R. — Continued P^oe 

5090 508-509 

Copy of a report by James R. Leavelle concerning the shooting 
of Lee Harvey Oswald. 

Lee, Ivan D. 

A 510 

Photograph showing the rear of General Walker's residence at 

4011 Turtle Creek Boulevard in Dallas. 
B 510 

Photograph showing the entrance to a driveway leading to the 

residence of General Walker 

Lee, "Vincent T. 

1 511 

Undated letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play for 
Cuba Committee. 

2 512-513 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play for Cuba Com- 
mittee, dated May 26. 

3 514-516 

Letter from V. T. Lee, national director of the Fair Play for Cuba 
Committee, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated May 29, 1963. 

3-A 517 

Letter from V. T. Lee, national director of the Fair Play for Cuba 
Committee, to Lee Harvey Oswald, dated May 22, 1963. 

4 518-523 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, enclosing a leaflet en- 
titled "Hands Off Cuba" and Fair Play for Cuba Committee order 
blank. 

5 524-525 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, dated August 1. 

6 526-528 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, dated August 12, 
1963, enclosing a sworn affidavit charging Oswald and others with 
disturbing the peace in New Orleans, and a newspaper clipping 
concerning the conviction of Oswald for disturbing the peace. 

7 529-531 

Letter from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, dated August 17, 
with envelope. 

8-A 531 

Change-of -address card from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play 
for Cuba Committee, postmarked May 14, 1963. 

8-B 532 

Change-of-address card from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play 
for Cuba Committee, postmarked June 12, 1963. 

8-C 532 

Change-of-address card from Lee Harvey Oswald to the Fair Play 
for Cuba Committee, postmarked November 2, 1963. 

9 533 

Envelope from Lee Harvey Oswald to V. T. Lee, Fair Play for 
Cuba Committee, postmarked August 4, 1963. 

Lewis, Aubrey L. 

1 533 

Dallas Police Department photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald, 
taken November 23, 1963. 

Lewis, L. J. 

A 534 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with L. J. Levi'is, dated 
January 22, 1964. 

XV 



Lowery, Roy L. Page 

5081 535 

Copy of a letter from Roy L. Lowery to Chief "Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 24, 1963. 
5082 536-537 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Roy L. Lowery, dated 

November 25, 1963. 
5083 538-542 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Roy L. Lowery, dated 

December 3, 1963. 
5084 543 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by Roy L. Lowery. 
5085 544-545 

Copy of a report from P. G. McCaghren to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated December 1, 1963. 

McCullough, John G. 

1 546 

Sketch of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, dra\\'n 
by John G. McCullough. 

2 547-551 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with John G. ^McCullough, 
dated December 1, 1963. 

McCurdy, Danny P. 

1 552-553 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Danny P. McCurdy, 
dated November 29, 1963. 

McMillon, Thomas D. 

5015 554 

Sketch drawn by Thomas D. McMillon of the location of the Po- 
lice and Courts Building. 
5016 555 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by Thomas D. McMillon. 
5017 556-560 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Thomas D. McMillon, 

dated December 5, 1963. 
5018 561-562 

Copy of a letter from Thomas D. McMillon to Chief Jesse E. 

Curry, dated November 27, 1963. 
5019 563-564 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Thomas D. McMillon, 

dated November 25, 1963. 
5020 565-570 

Copy of handwritten version of McMillon Exhibit No. 5018. 

Markham, Helen L. 

1 571-599 

Copy of a transcript of a tape recording of an alleged telephone 

conversation between Helen L. Markham and Mark Lane. 
2 600-601 

Letter from James Kerr to Helen L. ]Markhani, dated July 10, 

1964, with envelope. 

Martin, Frank M. 

5058 602 

Copy of a letter from Frank M. Martin to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 26, 1963. 
5059 603-604 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Frank M. Martin, 

dated December 2, 1963. 

xvi 



Martin, Frank M. — Continued ^"^^ 

5060 605 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 
marked by Frank M. Martin. 

Maxey, Billy J. 

5094 606-607 

Copy of a letter from Billy J. Maxey to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 26, 1963. 
5095 608-609 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Billy J. Maxey, 

dated December 7, 1963. 
5096 610-612 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Billy J. Maxey, 

dated December 3, 1963. 

Mayo, Logan W. 

5111 613 

Copy of a letter from Jack Revill to Chief Jesse E. Curry, dated 

December 3, 1963. 
5112 614 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Logan W. Mayo, dated 

December 5, 1963. 

Michaelis, Heinz W. 

1 615 

Copy of a looseleaf notebook page containing a listing of all guns 

sold from case No. 3 of a purchase from Empire Wholesale Sport- 
ing Goods, Ltd. 
2 616 

Copy of Seaport Traders, Inc., dated March 13, 1963, recording 

the sale of a pistol to A. J. Hidell. 
3 617 

Original of Michaelis Exhibit No. 2. 
4 618 

Copy of a Railway Express Agency receipt, dated March 20, 1963, 

indicating the shipment of a pistol to A. Hidell. 
5 619 

Railway Express Agency brief of information for c.o.d. shipment 

to A. J. Hidell. 

Miller, Austin L. 

A 620 

Sketch of the Triple Underpass area showing the position of 
Austin L. Miller at the time of the assassination. 

Miller, Dave L. 

1 621-622 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Dave L. Miller, dated 
January 6, 1964. 

Miller, Louis D. 

5013 623-625 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Louis D. Miller, dated 

December 5, 1963. 
5014 626 

Copy of a letter from Louis D. Miller to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 26, 1963. 

Molina, Joe R. 

A 627 

Letter from Joe R. Molina to the Commission dated March 31, 1964. 

Montgomery, L. D. 

5004 628 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 
marked by L. D. Montgomery. 

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744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 2 



Montgomery, L. D. — Continued Page 

5005 629 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview witli L. D. Montgomery, 

dated December 5, 1963. 
5006 630 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview witli L. D. Montgomery, 

dated November 25, 1963. 

Moore, Henry M. 

1 631-637 

Copy of a Dallas Police Department receipt for the property of 
Lee Harvey Oswald, dated November 26, 1963. 

Murphy, Joe E. 

A 638 

Sketch of the Triple Underpass showing the position of .Joe E. 
Murphy at the time of the assassination. 

Murret, Lillian 

1 639 

Photograph of Marguerite Claverie Oswald and Edwin A. Ekdahl, 
taken May 5, 194.5. 

Nelson, Doris M. 

1 640-643 

Copy of a statement made by Doris Nelson concerning her activi- 
ties at Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963. 

Newman, William J. 

5037 644 

Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts Building, as 

marked by William .T. Newman. 
5038 645 

Copy of a letter from William J. Newman to Chief Jesse E. Curry, 

dated November 26, 1963. 
5038-A 646 

Copy of a statement made by William J. Newman. 
5038-B 647 

Copy of a memorandum from R. W. Westphal to Lieutenant Revill, 

dated December 6, 1963. 
5038-C 648 

Copy of a letter from Jack Revill and C. C. Wallace to Chief Jesse 

E. Curry, dated December 1, 1963. 
5038-D 649 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with William J. Newman, 

dated December 5, 1963. 
5038-E 650 

Photograph showing man identified by William J. Newman as 

Jerome Casten. 

Newnam, John 

1 651 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with John Newnam, dated 

December 4, 1963. 
2 652 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with John Newnam, dated 

December 11, 1963. 
3 653-671 

Copy of testimony given by John Newnam at the trial of Jack 

Ruby. 
4 672 

Sketch of the second floor of the Dallas Morning News Building, 

drawn by John Newnam. 

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Nichols, Alice R. ^^^ 

5355 673-681 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Alice R. Nichols, 

dated November 25, 196.'i. 
5356 682^683 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Alice R. Nichols, 

dated January 18, 1964. 

Nichols, H. Louis 

A / 684-686 

Copy of a letter from H. Louis Nichols to Leon Jaworski, dated 
February 10, 1964. 

Norton, Robert L. 

1 687 

Copy of an FBI report of an interview with Robert L. Norton, 
dated November 29, 1963. 

Odio, Sylvia 

1 688-691 

Copy of a letter written in Spanish to Sylvia Odio from her father, 
dated December 25, 1963. 

Odum, Bardwell D. 

1 691 

Photograph of an unknown individual which was furnished the 
FBI by the Central Intelliuence Agency. 

Oliver, Revilo P. 

1 692-717 

Cover, contents page, an article entitled "Assassination and Its 

Aftermath," and an article entitled "Marxmanship in Dallas" 

contained in the March 1964 issue of "American Opinion." 
2 718-735 

Cover, contents page, and an article entitled "Marxmanship in 

Dallas" from the February 1964 issue of "American Opinion." 
3 736-737 

Portions of the Congressional Record for December 4, 1963. 
4 738-741 

December 20, 1963, issue of "The Councilor." 
5 742-744 

May 17, 1964, issue of National Enquirer. 
6 745-748 

January 17, 1964, Issue of "The Herald of Freedom." 
7 749 

Reprint of newspaper item published in the "National Enquirer." 
8 750 

Reprint of news item in the Jackson, Miss., "Clarion-Ledger" of 

February 21, 1964. 
9 751-752 

Portions of the Congressional Record for September 3, 1964. 
10 753-793 

Original transcript of speech delivered by Revilo P. Oliver while 

on tour in August and September of 1964. 
11 794-797 

December 6, 1963, issue of "The Herald of Freedom." 
12 798 

Newspaper article entitled "UI Officials Study Prof's Article 

Attacking Kennedy" which appeared in the February 12, 1964, 

issue of the Chicago Daily News. 



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OmCB OF THE DIRBCTOB i 

' — Gallagher Exhibit No. 1 

t 

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

WASHINGTON IS. D.C. 

March 18, 1964 

By Courier Service 



Honorable J, Lee Rankin 
General Counsel 
The President *s Commission 
200 Maryland Avenue, Northeast 
Washington, D. C« 20002 

Dear Mr. Rankin: 

During the course of discussion of neutron 
activation analyses between Mr, Melvin Eisenberg of your 
staff and Special Agent John F. Gallagher of this Bureau 
on March 16, 1964, Mr. Eisenberg requested the following 
information: 

1* What are some items in common usage which 

contain barium? Some items that may include 
barium are: grease, ceramics, glass, paint, 
printing ink, paper, rubber, plastics, 
leather, cloth, pyrotechnics, oilcloth and 
linoleum, storage batteries, matches and 
cosmetics. 

, 2. What are some items in common usage which 
contain antimony? Some items that may 
include antimony are: matches, type metal, 
lead alloys, paints and lacquers, pigments 
for oil and water colors, flameproof 
textiles, storage batteries, pyrotechnics, 
rubber, pharmaceutical preparations and 
calico. 

3. What are some items in common usage which 
contain both barium and antimony? Barium 
and antimony may be found in the following 
items: printed paper and cloth, paint, 
storage batteries, rubber and matches, 
pyrotechnics and possibly other items. 

Gallagher Exhibit No. 1 



Honorable J. Lee Rankin 



4* Would neutron activation analyses show if 
a bullet passed through the hole in the 
front of President Kennedy *s shirt near 
the collar button area and also if a 
bullet passed through the material of his 
tie? Neutron activation is a sensitive 
analytical technique to determine elements 
present in a substance. During the course 
of the spectrographic examinations previously 
conducted of the fabric surrounding the 
hole in the front of the shirt, including 
the tie, no copper was found in excess of 
that present elsewhere in undamaged areas 
of the shirt and tie. Therefore, no copper 
was found which could be attributed to 
projectile fragments. 

It Is not felt that the increased sensitivity 
of neutron activation analyses would contribute substantially 
to the understanding of the origin of this hole and frayed 
area* 



Sincerely yours, 



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ITovomLer 25, 19 C3 
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Co; Ifcr. C. J. Price, Adciiniotirator' 
Parkland lleciorial Hospital 

jm: A. II. Gior5CcI;c, Jr., IWD. 
Associate Aiicsthesiolosict 
Dcpartaeiit of Anesthesiology 

Subject: Karracivc eunaury - aucathcoia caro for Governor John Connally 



Jpon notification ty Dr. M. T. Jcnicino tliat the Prcoidcnc had been shot, I 
jT'ibbcd ray cquipuent and proceeded to the E:;;;cr3cncy Rooia via the elevator. 
5r. Jcnlcins had taken Che ctairo. Dr. Jackie Hunt brousht an anesthesia 
aachine. Dr. Gene A!;in vaa also alon3. Bro. Hunt, Alcin and xjyaelf asaioted 
3r. Jcr.kino in cstablichins ventilation in the President, then Dr. Hunt 
>rocceucd across the hall to check on Governor Connally' s requireecnts vzhile 
[ hooked an oscilloscope to the President with the assistance of Dr. Don 
Curtis, an Oral Cuv^jory resident. Having been auinraonod by Dr. Hunt to attend 

o Governor Cciiiially, I loft the room just as Doctors Bashcur, Seldin, and 

lark arrived. 

t ru:;hcJ to operatins rooa No. 5 in the Ilain Operating Suite on the second 
loor, where Governor Connally had been talcen. On the way. Dr. Hunt briefed 

10 thet she had cjcairancd the Governor and found hia color to be ashen, pulse 

>f nor-*:nl rate and volume, but he was dyspneic and tachypaeic, {prunting as he 
:i:alcd. She recalled havins passed a cufflink to Mrs. Connally while the 

Jovcrnor x.-as having a choot tube placed* 

(pen arrival in operating roon No. 5 Joe tL-:ta, our orderly, brought ice an 
r^csthosia ir-.chinc, which I hurriedly chocked for safe operation. I then 
ntroduccd Ciysclf to the Governor, dctcndLned that ho had not eaten since 
arly corning, had not had any serious medical illnesses and had not been in 
ihcck. At this tiinc ho liad 150 tnl. of blood above tho tape in the chest 
ottlc, his color was as described, his nail beds Xv'cre cyanotic, his pulse was 
00 and full, ho was alort and unprcxaedicatcd. I checked his siouth for foreign 
odics and started 10 liters per niiuito 02:ygen by cask from the anesthesia 
lachinc. A^: this ti&io ho \/as having a cutdown pcrforucd in his right ankle 



Giesecke Exhibit 1 
GiESECKE Exhibit No. 1 



..... c. ,. «cc. ,v....-.i=..-«|OP SECKET 

, r.vrl-.la-Ad i:cT.orir:l HoGpital 
I.Ic/vc7.i»cr 25, 1903 
rr.fjo 2 - ITr.rvr.tivc curxvjri'-aaocthcaia caro 

cr.d hie truv;!: clicvcd froa the clr.vJ.clca tloxr.^, Includlus tho rlclit a::illa. A 
"olcy cctUcici* x:a3 bcia^ placcJ in liic blaci<2c*- aud 200 cc. urino uao recorded. 

r/jccu2C of hie poor color, vccpiraCory distress, aad pro'oablo lor^c blood Iogo, 
I decided to or.it pcntothal and to ucc cyclopropane cad o:r^ccn, Accordinoly, 
I ac!;ed for r-ict; and for tlic Governor to bo covered \7ith a clean cottcn 
biarJ-.ct:. :^t 1300, tx-:enty ninutcjj after arrival In tbc Encrsoncy P.ooa, I ctartcd 
cioi.'ly \rlt^ £00 cc. cycloproiiano per r.inutc plua 2 litcro of oj-y^ca per minute, 
ni3 color had i:q-.rovod but hia rcopiratio-no vera still rapid at 40 with c^iintins 
ciilialations. The Governor loot conccioucncci; xrithout o::citcncnJ: at 1307 end uao 
j^ivcn CO sr^. cuccinylcholinc chloride very aicjly intravenously to prevent hard 
far.ciculationa and pasaivc rci^r^itation. Lcrynsoacopy vao atraumtic and caay 
and no abnorr.ialitics were noted, rnc pharyir: and trachea was cpraycd v/ith 4/i 
cocaine and intubated \;xth a 34 ?r. endotracheal tubo with a ICnicht-Crisrs-Sandcre 
cu.^f \;hich uao inflated Co provide a jjood fit. 

Durinf; the induction Drc. Hunt and Dcuon Baiter connected the leads to tho EGG 
:-'c-nitor. Dr. Hunt reported a very transient bradycardia during the intubation. 
^"ic pulse rapidly rctur:icd Co ICO and the EIXJ loohcd norr.'^l. A blood pressure * 
cuff and ctcthc-scopc x:aa applied to the left am and blood pressure uas noted 
at 1C0/7O. Tnc c::plosion»proof X-ray fiachiiia \;a3 tiovod in and X-rays tal;cn of 
tho chaot, ri^it arta, and left thi^h ai^d Ic^* Blood vas dra\rn for typo and 
crcss-.-.utch, and the hcuo^lobia uas reported ao 15.2 c?n.%, urino iiorj:'.al. 
rx.apirationD uorc controlled, the position of the endotracheal tube uao chcchcd 
by auscultation of the chest and rcfcrciico to the Il-rays. Tlic Governor was 
placed in a scrl-latoral position uith tho voundcd side up. Tlic ri^ht arm x-'as 
cupportcd in a clinaover hio chest frca tho operating table. Tiic chin 
incision \Taa isadQ at 1335, 55 minutco after arrival in tho liscrscncy Roou, 

Doctors Cliaw, Loland, and Dulco operated for 1 hour 45 ninutea. The position 
x:as ch::n:;;cd to supine, and Doctors Gregory and Csbomo operated on the ara and 
Doctors ShircE, Eaictor, and llcClelland operated on tho left thi^h oiuailtai^ccusly. 

Tiic cyclopropane x:.'.s turned off at 10-v5 and 50 v^. r.'^cridinQ xras ^ivcn intra- 
venously." Tiie Governor regained conscio'ucncss during the application of tho cast 
to the rir;ht arm and forcarra. Tnc endotracheal tube was irri:;atcd x.rith 50 si. 
norr-ul calinc- in 10 \rl, incrc^ntc, follcx/od by suctioning, vhlch yielded 
r.cr:erata cj^ountc of bloody ctucouo. TIic oropharyn:c uas cleaned. Tlic'cstiniatcd 
blood loss at curccry xwa 1,21)6 cc. in tho chest bottle, auction bottle, and 
\,-ci.cy.\z<.l s-r.oXiZO'j, Urino output tras 450 cc. llo received 3 liters of ?v.inj;icr'o ■ 
lactate, 2 liters of Xviiich contained 57. dc::trosc; 2,000 nl. x;holo blood; ai^.d 
125 vil, 57* dczctroso in water. Color tjco pinl;, puloo 110, blood pressure 120/70, 
c::trer.'iitic5 t7cro v;ara cad dry. He vaa awalco, could open hio eyes and nod his. 
haad on camand, cad co uao c::tubatcd. Total aaocthotic timo wao 3 hourc 50 
cinutcs; opcrotias tina 3 Uouro 15 utnutco* . . 



Giesecke Exhibit 1 
GiESECKE Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



:..o...rr.=c..<^i..„t.aJOP SECRET 

Pcrklcr.d Kcaorial lloapital 

Kcvc=I;cr 25, 19 G3 

?r^o 3 - KnrrativQ sii:imry«ancstheoia ccro 

for Covn'-rnor John. Connnlly 



Upoa c::tubctlon, Govomor Connolly ciiolto icsnadlatoly, ocying he folt veil 
tuw "sJCiS so::u:-;:1ui£ restless, end bc^jan jjroania^ and c^-unting, Taa irzacdlate 
poctqjcrctivc course vao satisfactory, without hypotenaion, and with only 
a hint of cyar.oaia, x;hich rooolvcd over the follovd.n3 3-4 hourc, during 
wliich period he cocplalncd of corcacaa of hia right ohouldcr and a 
sensation of needing to urinate, caused by the urctlurul cathcteor. 

Luring curscry he received 1 nillioa units of pcaicillia after dcterciinins 
he x.'ss not ocasitivo by diccuscioa vriLth bis x/ife and a call to Dr. Swift 
in Austin, Te::a5. In addition ho received 500 mg. tctrccycllno. Eo had 
received 0.5 cc> tetanus toccoid ia tho Emorgcuocy Room prior to transfer to 
the Main Operating Suita. 

Siac2i:oly,' 

A. H. Gicsccko, Jr./ K.D. 

^^ ■ ■ ^ ■, . 

cc: Dr. A. J. Gill, Dean 



Giesecke Exhibit 1 
GiESEOKE Exhibit Xo. 1 — Continued 



FD.302 (R.». j.3-5») r'EDERAL BUREAU OF INVEST1GA1 .s/.>J 



n... 6/19/64 



Mr. CLYDB F. GOODSON, Patrolman, Dallas Police ^ < ^ 

Department, Dallas, Texas, advised that he and ROBERT B. >^ ^, ^^ 

COUNTS relieved Oifficer H. L. KENLEY at 5:30 P.M. on No- ^ ^ i^v 

veniber 22 , 1963 , to guard the door to the entrance of the ^^^J ^ ^ 

Homicide Bureau of the Dallas Police Department. Ito. \- if 

GOODSON stated there was only one door to the entrance ^ t^^H:^ 

of this Homicide Bureau and everyone entering it had to "^ 

.pass by him and Officer COUNTS. ^^^"^ 

GOODSON related that he knew JACK RUBY and he did ■ . ■ > 
not see JACK RUBY at any time while he was on duty, nor did ^ 

JACK RUBY attempt to enter the Homicide Bureau vsiile he was , cf 
on guard at the entrance to the Homicide Bureau. ^ 

Mr. ^OODSON related that shortly before 6s00 P.M., i 

as he recalls, a man fitting the description of JACK RLi^Y ^ 

came to the door of the Homicide Bureau and wanted to enter. ^ ^ 

He told him that only authorized law-enforcement officers -2 \^i 
could enter and asked him for his identification. Ee stated 
the man said he was not a law-enforcement officer and turned 
and went back down the hall. 

Mr. GOODSON stated that he went off duty between 
7:30 P.M. and 8:00 P.M. that night. 



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Goodson, Clyde F». Exhi" it 1 



on 6/18/64 Dallas, Texas p,,. # PL 44-1639 

by Spocicl Agont VINCENT E. DRAIN/ds : j .: p^,^ j..,,,,„j _6A8^^64 

Thl:. i-. -ont contalnB n.Uhor r.eomm.ndollona nor conclu.lon. of Ih. FBI. It I. th. prop.rly ol th. FBI ond U loan.d lo 
your og^ -/; U ond Ita contants ai« not to ba dUtrlbutod outald* your ooancy. 

Goodson Exhibit No. 1 



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ro.J03 (n.».a-J-s») FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

1 ^ Doto 11/2^/63 



Mrs. EVA L. GRANT, 3 92 9 Rawlins Street (Apartment I), 
Dallas, Texas, x*as interviewed at her apartment in the presence of 
y.rs. PAULINE HALL, a close personal friend of Mrs. GRANT. Mrs. GRANT 
advised that she is the sister of JACK LEON RUBY. ^ 

Mrs. GRANT advised that she has been very upset over the ^ j 
events which have occurred in Dallas, Texas, be^jinnins Friday, ,^s 
November 22, 1963, with the assassination of President KENNEDY. She'^ ''• ^' 
informed that on Tuesday morning, November 19, 1963, she and her '^ ^^ .j 
brother saw a picture in the local Dallas paper concerning President T\i , T' 
KENNEDY and his young son at the President's desk. She said that ^^ ^^v '- 
JACK RUBY called the picture to her attention and in very glov/ing «^ ^ r 
terms was very enthusiastic about the President, He told her, for ^-.S 
example, that "That man doesn't act like a President. He acts just C -' ' "- 
like a normal everyday man with a family." She stated that on . ^'- > 
November 22, 1963, a Friday morning, her telephone rang at her l^ T- 
apartment, and it was her brother, JACK RUBY, calling. RUBY asked /^ 
her if she saw the advertisement in the morning paper v/hich was a ^? .^/ 
full-page ad addressed to "Mr. Kennedy" by BERNARD V/EISMANN. She o 
said that JACK RUBY was very upset about this article and, f 

undoubtedly it bothered him a great deal, not only on that day but ^^ ^- 
for the next two or three days. He called V/£I£>tANN an "SOB" and ^ 
also said that the newspaper was completely wrong in accepting the ,^ 
ad. She advised that he told her he had called the "Times Herald" 
newspaper in Dallas, and they had advised him that they had turned 
down and refused to accept the same advertisement. He was very 
commending in his statement regarding that paper refusing the 
advertisement. 

Mrs. GRANT stated that he was most upset that the ad v/as 
addressed to Mr, KENNEDY and thought it should have been addresse-d 
to the Honorable President if it had to be in the paper. She 
stated that he came to her apartment that day and had the ad fros ! 
his own paper and took the ad from her paper. She said she 
understood both copies of this ad were found in RUBY's automobile 
after his arrest by the Dallas Police Officers. She stated that 
ZkZlL P.TTEY told her that he had contacted the paper which ran the 
advertisement and asked them "^Vhere in the hell do you get off 

\ 

Ex. No.l GIu-I'!T, iiva Daposition 

D.:llas, Te;cas 5-2o-c4 



11/2 ^/63 »♦ Dallas. Texas Pilo j^ DL 44-1639 

JACK B. PEDEnJ^' 
7 Spocial Agont g ^>ft^XON G. IHOteON ; PaPl Doto dictated ll/2 '^/oS 

rhl» documaat contain* /alther r*cofflm«n4atlona nor conclusion* o( tho FBI. It la tho proparty ol tha FBI and la .oanod to 
'our aqmney; H ^"'' l'* comanta ara not to ba dlatribu,<.i eutalda your a^ancy. 



Grant Exhibit No. 1 



DL 44-1639 

JBP,GCT:inain 

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"taking an ad like that? Are you money hungry?"/ She said 
that RUBY felt it was a rotten thing for any person to question 
the way the President was running this country. She said that 
RUDY made a statement regarding the advertisement and regarding 
WEISM.\NN, whose name appeared a-c the bottom of the ad, that "If 
that guy is a Jew they ought to v/hack the hell out of him." By 
that, she advised since RUBY is a Jew he felt that this reflected 
against the Jewish race. 

She advised that RUBY told her that he went to the 
Post Office in downtown Dallas and looked at the box, which box 
number appears in the advertisement. Ke told her that the box 
was full of mail. According to Mrs. GRANT, after he told her 
this, he made the statement, "I bet V/eismann is a Commtinist", 
or words to that effect, 

Mrs. GRANT advised that she personally "had a crush 
on President Kennedy" . She stated that she and her brother 
both had a great admiration for President KENNEDY and felt he 
was a wonderful President. She said that JACK RUBY is not 
greatly interested in political affairs as a rule, but he would 
fuss at her if she did not pay, her poll tax, since he felt it 
was a patriotic thing to do. (She informed that early Thursday 
morning, November 21, 1963, JACK RUBY, as was his custom, 
placed advertisements in both Dallas papers concerning the 
entertainment to be offered at the Carousel and Vegas Night 
Clubs, Dallas, Texas, which clubs he has an interest in.^ She 
advised that after President KENNEDY was assassinated on 
November 22, I963, he called the newspapers to change the 
advertisements to show that the clubs would be closed J'riday, 
Saturday, and Sxonday. November 22, 23, and 24, 1963y (She said 
that DON SAFFERN (PHJ , a newspaper reporter for the Dallas 
"Tices Herald", called him and wanted to kriow if he was sure 



Eva Grant Exhibit 1 
Grant Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



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DL 44-1639 
JBP,GCT:mam 

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he was not going to qserate those clubs on any of those three 
days. He pointed out that some of the other clubs apparently 
were not going to be closed for even one night. \Vhen RUBY 
heard that the other clubs were not going to be closed, he 
became quite upset and asked DON how anyone v/ith any kind of 
conscience could dance and have a good time after the President 
had been killed. He ended up by telling DON that he did_not 
care what anyone ^else did, that he was going to close for '' - '■ 
those three daysJ 

(Mrs. GRjVNT displayed a page from the Dallas "Morning 
News", dated Saturday, November 23, 1963, in Section 1, 
Page 19, containing a one-column ad, approximately four inches 
in length, stating tlae Carousel Club on Main Street, Dallas, 
would be closed "Friday, Saturday, and Sunday".; 

(^Mrs. GRANT recalled that on the day of the 
President's assassination, November 22, 1963, JACK RUBY 
telephoned her at least eight times and made three personal 
visits to her apartment.) She said that he was most upset over 
the assassination of the President and described OSWALD as a 
"creep" and said, "He has no class." She said that the phrase 
"He has no class" was a phrase which RUBY used to indicate his 
complete dislike for a person, 

Mrs. GRANT informed that her father passed away 
several years ago. She said that on Friday when JACK RUBY 
was in her ap)artment they had discussed both the death of 
her father and the assassination of President KENNEDY. She 
advised both she and her brother, JACK, stated that they were 
more upset over the "assassination of President KENNEDY than 
they were over the death of their own father. She pointed 



Grant Exhibit 1 



Eva 
Grant Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



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DL 44-1639 
JBP,GCT:mam 

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out that whon their father died, JACK RUBY seemed v/ell 
composed and displayed very little outward emotion. She 
said, however, that on Friday afternoon, November 22, 1963, 
following the President's assassination, he was terribly 
upset. She also pointed out that on Saturday morning, when 
JACK kJBY was at her apartment, he cried very noticeably 
about the President's assassination. fShe stated that he 
discussed sending flowers to the place near the spot where 
the President was assassinated, and she feels sure that he 
did have flowers delivered to that spoty 

(^Mrs. GRiVNT informed that JACK RUBY was in her "N, 
apartment on November 22, 1963, from approximately 5:30 PM 
until approximately 7:15 PM, and then he dressed and went ^^-^ — 
to the synagogue for prayer.") 

She stated that on Saturday morning he told her 
that he "bummed around with" a person whose first name is 
LARRY, an employee of the Carousel Club, all<. night Friday 
night. On Saturday morning he and LARRY drove out to a 
point on the North Central Expressway in Dallas, Texas, 
where there is a large billboard sign to the effect "Impeach 
Earl V/arren" or some similar ph:.'aseology. He advised that 
he had shown LAPvRY how to take the picture, and LAPv.RY had 
taken the picture of this sign. In connection with this 
sign, she stated that it has been situated there for some 
period of time, and that it has constantly bothered and 
annoyed RUBY. She stated that he did not like the sign 
and on numerous occasions had mentioned the sign to her. 

Mrs. GRANT informed that on Saturday, November 23, 
1963, RUBY called STANLEY KAUFMAN, a Dallas attorney, and 



Eva Grant Exhibit 1 
Grant Exhibit Xo. 1 — Continued 



12 



DL 44-1639 

JBP,GCT:mam 

5 



discussed with KAUFMAN the sign and the advertisement in 
the newspaper, as well as the assassination of President 
KENNEDY by OSWALD. In the conversation with KAUFMAN, he 
told KAUFMAN that "I don't know v;hy I want to connect that 
sign and the mail box with Oswald, but I do." Also in the 
course of conversation, he explained to KAUFMAN that he 
had taken a picture of the sign and had gone and physically 
observed the mail box which was listed in the advertisement 
mentioned above. 

Mrs. GRANT related that after RUBY made the 
telephone call to Attorney STANLEY KAUFK\N, he left her 
apartment and did not return thereto until approximately 
4:00 PM, Saturday, November 23, I963. She advised he 
remained at her apartment from about 4:00 PM to around 
8:00 PM, November 23, 1963, when he again left in his 
automobile. She advised she did not hear from P.UBY again 
until approximately 10:20 PM, at which time she received 
a telephone call from RUBY, stating that among other tjiings 
he was going to Radio Station KLIF in Dallas, Texas. (She 
stated that from remarks made by RUBY during the 10:20 PM 
telephone conversation that she gained the impression RUBY 
had been at his residence, 223 S. Ewing (Apartment 207), 
Dallas, Texas, since a short time after leaving her place 
around 8:00 PM the same date^ 

/At 11:30 PM, that same night, he called and told 
her he had been at Radio Station KLIF where he had talked 
with HENRY WADE, District Attorney, Dallas County, Texas, 
and RUSS KNIGHT, of Radio Station KLIF, Dallas, Texas.') 

(Mrs. GRANT stated that she next heard from her 
brother, JACK RUBY, about 12:40 AM, Sunday, November 24, I963 



Eva Grant Exhibit 1 
Grant Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



*4-731 O— 64— vol. XX 3 



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at which time he called her by telephone .") (She sai4 she 
ijained the impression that he was at his-^esidenco.J She 
volunteered this was the last time that she heard from her 
brother, JACK RUBY, prior to contacting him at the City Jail, 
Dallas, Sunday afternoon, November 24, 1963, following the 
shooting of OSWALD. On this last call, RUDY was worried about 
her, GRANT'S, health and told her "to go to bed", 

Mrs. GRANT stated that although her brother has 
used her address, 392 9 Rawlins Street, Dallas, for mailing 
purposes, he has never lived there. 

Mrs. GRANT said, to the best of her knov.-ledge, JACK 
RUBY has never been a "joiner" of organizations and does not 
belong to any group or organization of any kind and has no 
particular political philosophy. She described him as an 
"American" and a great admirer of President KENNEDY. She 
further advised she has never seen or heard anything which 
might indicate her brother, JACK RUBY, is connected or 
affiliated in any way \\fith any Communist or Cuban organization, 
She \>fas very emphatic in stating that she and JACK RUBY are 
very strongly opposed to any Communist organization or any 
group which they felt might be backed by Communists. 

Mrs. GRANT further stated that she has heard through 
a television or news media that an individual made a remark 
to the effect that OSWALD had been seen in the night club 
operated by JACK RUBY. She stated in most emphatic terms 
that she is absolutely positive that RUBY has never had any 
connection with OSWALD in any way. She admitted that she did 
not know every individual her brother knew, but she is still 
certain he did not know OSWALD. 

Mrs, GR/\NT said she was permitted to visit her 
brother, JACK RUBY, at the City Jail, Dallas, Texas, on the 



Eva Grant Exhibit 1 
Grant Exhibit Xo. 1 — Continued 



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JGP,GCT:mam 

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afternoon of Sunday, November 24, 1963; however, she did not 
en/^age hiiu in any conversation as to why he shot OSWALD, nor 
did RUBY volunteer any information to her in this regard. 



Eva Grant Exhibit 1 



Grant Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



15 



FD^oa (n.«. i-**4») ' FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

* 
1 Qgi^ Novem'ber 30, I963 



/Mrs. EVA L. GRANT, 3929 Rawlins, was telephonlcally contacted 
at the Vefeas Clul), 35O8 Oak Lawn, Dallas, Texas. She stated that she 
first came to Dallas, Texas In August of either 19^+2 or Av^2U3t of 19i+3y 

^he advised that a buildlns was "being erected at I717 S. Ervay 
Lei8 shortly after she arrived in Dallas; and she arranged to lease 
She informed that she started to operate the Singapore Club at that 
ress. 

Mrs. GRANT said that her brother, JACK RUBY, visited her in 
Dallas a few times while he was still in the service of the United 
States. She stated that he' moved to Dallas permanently in either 
April or May, l^kQ. She was not certain of the month he arrived in 
Dallas, but she was reasonably certain that the year was 19^. 



/Mrs. GRANT stated that she^left Dallas, Texas in I9W and 
went to t&fe west, coast. She informed that she returned to Dallas two 
or three times after 19^; &QCL has made Dallas her home since April, 
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tDooj iH.». J-J.»9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

12/2/G3 



Date 



Mrs. EVA GRANT, sister of JACK RUBY, 3929 Rawlins, 
telephonically contacted SA JACK B. PEDEN on December 2, 1963. 
She made reference to a previous conversation between SA PZDZN 
and herself. She talked in a rambling manner, and very fast, 
regarding her past. She stated that she was in Los Angeles in the 
fall of 1943 and referred to her mother's death in April 1944. 
The purpose of her call appeared to be to assure the Ascnt that she 
had been trying to cooperate with the FBI and she v/as afraid she had 
furnished previous information which might not be exactly correct as 
to the date. In her conversation she referred to tho fact that she 
had run a kitchen for a FRANKIE DOLAN in Los Angeles, California, 
and had at one time gone from door to door selling magazines. 

Mrs. GRAKT apparently wanted to assure the FBI that she ^ 
would be happy to cooperate in any way with the FBI. She was advised ^ 
that iX any information was desired from her she would be contacted .\ ^ 

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Ex. No. 3 GrLi.;iT, Eva Deposition 

"~ Dallas, Texas 5-23-6/+ 



on 12/2/63 ,* nalTns, Texac. Pi,, j^ PL 44- 1f;r^9 

by Sp.ciol Ag.nt JACK B. PEDEN - LAC Dato dictotod 12/2/63 

Thta deeuacnt conlala* n«lth«r racemBandallons nor concluatons ol th* FBI. It la tha proparty ol tha FBI asd la loanad to 
yoir a«aaer; 11 aa4 lla eoBloBla or* •ot la ba dlaUlbutad outalda your ogancy. 

Grant Exhibit No. 3 



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roooi (R.».»o.i9) FfcOERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

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EVA GRANT, sister of JACK L„ RUBY, advised tele- 
T^v./N'ni-o^n V that she was previously married to one MAGID and 
S'"J;"ried on oJ Ib^u? August 2l' 1936, to FRANK GRAV.NOVSKY, 
also known as FRANK GRANT, at San Francisco, Calxfornia. She 
said she was divorced from GRANT some five years la.er m Los 
Angeles, California, her attorney being one SANFORD. 

She said she had heard a rumor seven or eight years 
ago from an unrecalled source that FRANK GRANT had died 
FRANK had a sister named PEARL who also used the name GRAKT. 
This woman was single when EVA last heard of her. Pt-ARL 
worked as a buyer of purses for some Los Angeles store such 
as "Burt's" or "Butler Brothers". (JRANK had a sister named ^; 
ROSE SOLOMON in Los AngelesJ FRANK GRANT worked around V 

Hollywood Studios and was a-member of ITASE Union. EVA GRANT -j 
stated she did not know the full name of this union. She ^ ; 
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on 12/31/63 „> Dallas. Texas Pi,, ^ ^^ UH-1639 

GASTON C. THOMPSON - LAC , ^ 12/31/63 
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FD-302 (R.V. 3-3.59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

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L. C. GRAVES, Detective, Homicide Bureau, 
Dallas Police Department, advised ho was assigned to 
escort LEE EARVEY OSWALD out of the Dallas City Jail 
into a waiting armored car on the morning of November 
2A 1963. At approximately 11:15 AM, GRAVES advised he 
and Officer JA^^IES LEAVELLE left the jail, office located 
in the basement of Dallas City Hall. He advised LEAVELLE 
was handcuffed to OSWALD by his left wrist to OSWALD'S 
right wrist. GRAVES advised ho was on the left side of 
OSWALD and was holding him with the right arm. He stated 
at approximately 11:20, they were leaving tho jail office 
entrance in the basement when , JACK RUBY fired a pistol at 
OSWALD. GRAVES stated h© immediately grabbed RUBY's wrist 
with his left hand and seized the weapon with his right 
hand. He stated h© was able to disarm RLBY, who was then 
seized by several officers. GRAVES stated h© kept this 
weapon in his possession until such time ha turned it 
over to Captain WILL FRITZ, immediate superior of the 
Homicide Bureau of the Dallas Police Department 






EX.NO.5003-A GRAVES,L.C. Deposition 
Dallas 3-24-04 



11/24/6^ ^ Dallas, Texas c:i^ if PL 44-1639 

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by Spociol Ag,-. 3 KENNETH R. ALBERI^fe RICHARD T. B MJMm.^ 11/24/63 

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Graves (L. C.) Exhibit No. 5003-A 



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FD.302 (R.». 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



nnt, 11/25/63 



Detective L. C. GRAVES, 7811 Maxwell Avenue, 
Dallas, advised about 11:15 a.m., November 24, 1963, * 
L£E HARVEY OSWALD was taken from the Homicide and Robbery 
Bureau, Dallas Police Department, located on the third 
floor of the City Hall Building, for the purpose of 
transporting him to the Dallas County Jail. OSWALD was 
handcuffed and was thereafter handcuffed to the left 
hand of Detective J. R. LEAVELLE, Homicide and Robbery 
Bureau. GRAVES stated that he had hold of the left arm 
of OSWALD. He stated that Captain J. W. FRITZ, Homicide 
and Robbery Bureau, and Lieutenant R. E. SWAIN, Burglary 
and Theft Bureau, proceeded in front of them, and L. D. 
MONTGOMERY, Homicide and Robbery Bureau brought up the 
rear. All of the above mentioned individuals proceeded 
from the third floor by way of the jail elevator to the 
jail office located in the basement of the City Hall 
Building. Homli:;ide and Robbery detectives E. R. BECK and 
C. N. DHOR^TSr had previously departed for the purpose 
of getting the transportation cars into position. 

Detective GRAVES and LEAVELLE after arriving 
in the jail office hesitated at the door leading from the 
jail office into the outside corridor until they obtained 
an all-clear signal from Captain FRITZ who had proceeded 
into the corridor ahead of them. GRAVES stated that 
thereafter, he and LEAVELLE, with OSWALD between them as 
previously described, proceeded from the jail office into 
the corridor leading out into the underground parking area. 
It was noted in the corridor that uniform officers were 
lined \p along the wall, and that news media were gathered 
on the auto ramp to the left and front of GRAVES and the 
escorting officers. The car in which OSWALD was to be 
transported was on the ramp and was backing up to the 
position where OSWALD could get in. Captain FRITZ was 
in the lead and was stopped at the edge of the ramp 
waiting to get into the front seat of the car. GRAVES 
and LEAVELLE stopped momentarily for the car to back up. 
When the bumper of the car got even with the right side 
of LEAVELLE, JACK RUBY darted from the crowd of news 
media about six feet away and had gun in hand. RUBY shot 
OSWALD at a distance of approximately fifteen Inches away. 



on 11/24/63 Dallas, Texas/ Pl,^ ^ PL 44-1639 






by Special Agent JAMES W. BOOKHOUt /wvm Dot. dictated 11/24/63 

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GrA-ves (L. C.) Exhibit No. 5003-B 



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GRAVES stated that at that time, he grabbed RUBY's gun hand 
and took the gun away from him, during which time RUBY was 
attempting to fire the gun again. 

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y..-"i.:. :t w.isipo'.-ior.n \vl-.o saw 'o:;!Si il-.iy .i; 

^. './.o :..i5;ir.iir.r.'.;on.i I; ;;a>l bco;! .-.nnounc,;. . ..;..v 
.-.r'.c- ::;.v^ ;;r:o ;;i",rtlor.o Sc^t. 2S to.it P;v,.;;.,;;. 
■ -■," Mr. r.y.'.c- si;d. 1 ICcnr.ody wo'jW visit '.■,:.,:jk, 
'.•■S.:^';<Z. .-. c".o.<c cx-lbut r.o pr.raio 'route v.-..; v'.ij- 
: •■•.i O-v/ul.. u'C.-ipo i doicd. vi-.o paraCa rouij -.cis 
' u-.,i; ho !■._<; r.otlr.ot dccitlcd oo until .;■..•,;•;.;• 
orx. ibc/oi-c the President's r.r.'.v..; 

; .-.r.,-; :i~onts oC ;r.o|ar.d tt was not pub'.lshc. v.i-...'. 
i..-oau ci Ir.vosti-iiiio n^orair.j 0* I'.is dca:!'. 
.scci :o iiisclose in-j WiV.ic Oswald was '. .cliir.i 
r.'iiv.t r.r.othor giir.^for wor'.c tls Russian-bo:-.. v.;.c 
i iiuppo.sc<i to ;-„-ivc'aad chi;a lived witii X;-.;. i.i. 









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.iond, ir. I;-v- t:-.rco —.ilea :,-o..i :-.or i-.ii..-.^ .■.;.c 
.-..:ar Da;;.^.';. d.d r.ot rci.-.'i:! Csv/ald's s'-.U;.-.- 

.._, •; •••"■'. Pam.N ...\;d today tiwi; 

.^";','V •;;■.'.'" ■■'•■■"<;•.•.■:!•. o.-.w:;>^ \%m.: -a-:,;- 

..d \..v, i.'?.-l..-'.,c:;..,,,,;^,.. ,.;^ V.-..-0 X ..-;.-.% '.-..•U. 



. .-.^ .-.n .'iOiir. 



^ a'aouiililre. Oswaid scales r.o — r.^iiih. 



Gkeeneb Exhibit No. 2 



28 



The New York Times, Friday, November 29, 1963 

GUNSMITH ATTACHED SIGHT FOR MAN NAMED OSWALD 

By John Herbers 

Special to The New York Times 

Dallas, Nov. 23 — A gunsmith from Irving, Tex., said today he mounted a telescopic 
sight on a gun for a man named Oswald about a month ago. 

The gunsmith. Dial D. Ryder, said he could not remember what the gun looked 
like, nor could he remember the customer. 

Mr. Ryder found a receipt showing that he had mounted and adjusted a sight on 
a gun for a customer named Oswald. There was no date on the receipt, he said, but 
the work was done about a month ago. The customer paid $4.50 for drilling and 
$1.50 for boresighting the weapon. 

Ordered Gun From Chicago 

Lee H. Oswald, accused assassin of President Kennedy ordered a 3.5-mm Italian 
carbine from a mail-order house in Chicago last March. It was equipped with a 
telescopic sight at the time of the assassination. 

"Many people have this kind of work done," Mr. Ryder said. He said he believed 
a close examination of the Oswald weapon would show that he had not done the work. 

The police and agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation refused to disclose 
information about another gun Oswald was supposed to have used to kill Patrolman 
J. D. Tippitt when the oflBcer stopped Oswald following the assassination. 

That weapon, a .38-caliber pistol, has been turned over to the F.B.I, with other 
evidence in the case. It was reported that Oswald bought the pistol about two months 
ago and that the police have traced the point of its purchase. 

Meanwhile, it appeared that Oswald's employment in a building along the parade 
route that President Kennedy would travel was happenstance. 

Statements by persons familiar with the circumstances indicated that Oswald 
had no way of knowing when he took the job at the Texas School Book Depository 
that it would provide a vantage point for assassinating the President. 

GRBENiai EixHiBiT No. 2 — Continued 



t4-731 O— 64— vol. XX 4 



29 



Oswald returned to Dallas early in October after a mysterious trip to Mexico 
and began looking for work, according to persons who saw him daily at that time. 

It had been announced here ono Sept. 28 that President Kennedy would visit 
Dallas, but no parade route was disclosed. The parade route was not decided on 
until shortly before the President's arrival and it was not published until the morning 
of his death. 

While Oswald was looking for work his Russian-born wife and child lived with 
Mrs. Michael R. Paine, a friend, in Irving, a small town near Dallas. 

Wesley Randle, a teen-age neighbor of Mrs. Paine, said he heard that Oswald was 
looking for a job and told Mrs. Paine that he knew of one at the Texas School Book 
Depository. 

Mrs. Paine called about the job and on Oct. 14 Oswald went in and made appli- 
cation. He was accepted and started work the next day, Oct. 15, as a stock clerk at 
$1.25 an hour. 

Mrs. Paine said when Oswald got the job he had just received his last unemploy- 
ment check and his wife was expecting the arrival of their second child. 

He telephoned from Dallas, Mrs. Paine said, and announced "Hooray, I've got 
a job." 

Mrs. Paine said that the siwrts shop where Mr. Ryder, the gunsmith, works is 
about three miles from her home. She did not recall Oswald's making a trip to the 
shop. 

Mrs. Paine said today that although Oswald was "antireliglous." his wife Marina 
had had their daughter, June Lee, baptized when she was about 1 year old. 

Mrs. Paine said she thought this was done at tlie St. Seraphin Eastern Orthodox 
Church in Dallas. The other Oswald daughter is only a month old and has not been 
baptized yet, Mrs. Paine said. 

Mrs. Oswald and her daughters were still kept from the public by the Secret 
Service today. Mrs. Paine sent her a message through the police that Russian- 
speaking women from Texas, New Jersey, Kansas and Ohio had been trying to reach 
her to offer to take her and her daughters into their homes. Mrs. Oswald speaks no 
English. 

Greener Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



30 



Greener Exhibit Xo. 3 



AssMSin's Rin.* 



Greener Exhibit k 




J 



Greener Exhibit No. 4 



31 



Gregory Exhibit 1 



BODY DIAGRAM 



Front 




Positior. of vounds on body of Gov. Connally, suffered 11-22-63, as deteralned by __ 
cons-ultation with attending physicians, Drs. Gregory, Shires and Shaw, Professors 
of Surgery, Southwestern Medical School, Dallas, Tex. 



M^^^^ ](-^/ 



Gregory Exhibit No. 1 



32 



Gregory Exhibit 1 



BODY DIAGRAM 



Left 



Right 




DIAGR-'-M #2 

Probable path and angle of projectile passing through Gov. Connally's body when 
wounded on 11-22-63, as detennined by consultation with Dr. Shaw, Professor of 
Surgery, Southwestern Medical School, Dallas, Tex. 

Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



33 



BODY DIAGR/. 



Gregory Exhibit 1 



Back 




P.oucii dia::rai: of wounds suffered "by Gov. Connally on 11-22-63, Used "by Drs. 
Crc^iory, Giircs and Snaw to deteraine exact location of wounds as shown in 
Diagram 4^-- 

Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



34 



OJ 



Gregory Exhibit 1 



3c: 



BODY DIAGRAyi' 



Right 




Roush diasraa utilized by Dr» Shaw, indicating probable path and angle of projectile 

Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



35 



Gi«goiy Exhibit 1 




DIAGRAM #5 

Rough sketch of approximate position of Gov. Connally when wounded on 11-22-63. 
Blue line indicates path of projectile through the "body as indicated by examina- 
tion of wounds. This is an off-hand sketch and not intended to be used as final 
authority on the specific position of the body when wovinded. 

Gregory Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



36 



FD.302 (R.».3-j-4») FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

n.>. 11/25/63 



^ok,'-; 



c> 



JACK RUBY was advised he did not have to make a statcnent; 
hu.» ho had a right to talk with a lawyer before nalcing any statcnicnf, 
2d that any statement he made could be uc&d against hin 4,n a court o2'\ 
-w. 

RUBY stated he was born March 25, 1911, at Chicaso, Illinois, ^ 
nd attended the second year of high school but did not complete that j 
Dar of school. He presently resides at Apt. 207, 223 South Ev/inj;, ■'' v^- 
alias, Texas. He operates the Carousol Club at 1312y Conuncrce , and ;:? ^ > 
ho Vegas Club, 3508 Oak Lawn in Dallas, Texas. His name at birth was v ,r- "^ 
.ACX RUBENSTEIN but he had his name legally chrJnged to JACK RUBY at i^>(^) ^\: 
alias, Texas, in 1948 or 1949, Ho has also used the narae JACK LEON c^ ;C 

':;... ^ [ f. -I. 

RUBY related that he v/as born on the West Side area of '^ ■? 
hicafjo r.".-- grew up at unrecalled addresses on llaxv/ell and Holstead /^ J ''^ 
trcotr.l.i Chicago. As soon as he v/as large enough, he starto'i ^ ^ 
orliinj airound rodeos and sporting events, selling refreshments. He -', ^^ 
Iso sold banners at conventions, and scalped tickets for various *** '^ 
rtin:^ events. Sometime in about 1933 or 1934, he went to C ^ 
aiiforz.ia where he sold tip sheets at the race tracks on the ;j V . 
est Coast. He lived in San Francisco most of the time and also -^ \ 
old subscriptions to the Hearst newspapers. For a short time in >^ ^ 
936 he went into business with SAM GORDON who is nov/ a restaurant ^J^ 
wner in Sacramento, California. He and GORDON bought small turtles, 
ainted their backs, and sold them at the fair in Pomona, California, 
n about 1937, he returned to Chicago, Illinois, and contacted a 
riendj LEON COOK, an attorney, who had organized a Scrap Iron and 
unk Handlers Union, A. F. of L. RUBY became Secretary and Treasurer 
f this Local at Chicago in 1937 and v/orked at this job until either 
he last month of 1939 or January, 1940, when LEON COOK v/as killed 
uring an argument at a -union meeting. As he v/as an official of the 
nion, he v/as held in jail overnight for questioning but v,'r;3 never . 
harged with any crime in connection with the shooting of LEON CCOK. 
nan na:;:ed JIM MARTIN was tho person who shot LEON COOK and MAP.TIN 
as convic'Js'd of this shooting. After the death of LEON COOK, RUBY 
uit his jo'b v/ith the 1$cra.p Iron and Junk Handlers Union. Since he 
ad no middle name, ho has frequently since the death of his friend 
-EON COOK, used the name LEON as his middle name. Early in 1940, 
e traveled throughout the Northeastern part of the United, States, 
articular ly in Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, and {l^e\/ 
aapshire, placing punchboards at manxif acturing plants throughout 
hat area. The punchboards gave prizes of candy, with the big prize 



. 11/24/63 Dallas, Texas „ DL 44-1639 

l>« o» ^f^ ■ Filo » 

^ . , , C. RAYHALL:vm 11/24/63 
>y Spociol Agent . , : Data dictated 



rhia 4ocum*at oontatn* neither r«e«mis«ndatlonjt: nor eonclu(t^n> ol <h* FBI. It Is th*Vrop«rty ol th« PBI asd U loana^'io 
rour ag*nsy; 11 and It* eoBtaola or* Bol to b* d(3i|rtbul«d outsU* your agancy, t' ' 

■ ■■ /■-'•■ ''1: ■•'■ '.'ij* ■ ■ ' /^i; '•'■ . 'i- •■■ '- . - - ■ 

' •■; ' _Ex.No.l HiiLL, C. Ray Deposition 

Dallas, Texas 5-28-64 

Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 1 



37 



DL 44-1639 , 



4 



as a cedar chest. He did this until he v/as inducted into the U. S, 
Amy Air Corps, in 1943 at Rockford, Illinois. His Serial Number 
v/as possibly 1,076,666 or 3,076,666. \7hile in the service, he took 
basic training at Koesler Field, Biloxi, Mississippi, then went to 
aircraft mechanic school at Seymour Johnson Air Base at Goldsboro, 
Korth Carolina. After he finisJiO'd this school, he was sent to 
school at Farningdale, New York, at the factory where the P-47 
airplanes were manufactured. Following this school, he went back to 
Goldsboro, North Carolina, for a short time. He was subsequently 
assigned to Hunter and Drew Air Fields at Savannah, Georgia; 
Blumenthr.l Field, Wilmington, North Carolina, and lIcDill Field, 
Tar.pa, Florida. He was honorably discharged from the service in 
1946 as a private first class. He said no disciplinary action was 
taken against him while he was in the military service. He worked 
around Chicago helping his brother EARL in a mail order business 
until he moved to Dallas, Texas, in June, 1947. His sister, EVA GRANT' 
was living in Dallas. He and EVA opened a nightclub known as the 
Singapore Club at 1717 S. Ervay and he worked there. 

Late in 1947, he returned to Chicago for a few weeks but 
his sister, EVA GRANT, called for him to come back to Dallas to 
help her so he returned. They changed the name of the Singapore Club 
to the Silver Spur and he resumed working there. He lived iri'^a rooa 
at 1719-^ S. Ervay while working at the Silver Spur, In 1952, 'he toot 
over the Bob Wills Ranch House Club, located at Corinth and 
Industrial Streets, and operated both places for a short time, but 
soon v/ent broke and lost both clubs. LIARTY GII.IPLE, v/ho is now dead, 
and WILLIE EPSTEIN, who now lives in is(?w York City and with his father- 
operates a millinery manufacturing shop, assumed some of the debts 
and took over the Silver Spur. He v/ent back to Chicago but did not 
like living there so after a month or two he decided to return to 
Dallas because he owed a lot of money to people in Dallas and v/as 
depressed about this and wanted to return to Dallas and make some 
money and pay off his debts. 

After returning to Dallas, he took the Silver Spur Club 
back from GIIIPLE and EPSTEIN ^s -by. that tino they were happy to get 
rid of it. In about 1953, he was able to interest JOE BONIS and IRVING 
ALXANAN into taking over the Vegas Club with him, They operated that 
club for a while, but RUBY and ALKANAN had some disagreements over 



/^/ 



Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



38 



)L 44-1639 

-na^jins the club and had a fight. ALKANAN gave up his interec'i ta 
he club and now lives somewhere in California. BONDSis now serving 

sentence in the Texas Prison System at Huritcville, Texas, for 
odcniy and rape. Sometime in 1955, RUBY got rid of the Silver Spur 
iHub and continued operating the Vegas Club, In 1956, he oponod a 
club named Hernando's Hideaway on Greenville Avenue in Dallas but it 
as nox successful and he lost it after about three months. In 1950, 
.e took over the Carousel Club in Dallas, RALPH PAUL, owner of the 
iuli Pen Restaurant, has helped him financially for a nunbor of years 
nd his brother, EARL RUBY, has also helped him financially. They 
CVS an interest in the Carousel Club. Recently, he has beeq trying, 
o sell an item known as a "twist board" which is manufactured by 
'lasti-Lite Products, Inc, owned by LLOYD ADAMS Qf Fort VoT%h, 
dxas, This item is an exercising device. 



r lends: 



RUBY regards the following persons in Da,llas as his closest 

STAIvT[.EY KAUFMAN, Attorney; 

Rabbi SILVERI/UN of Congregation Shearith Israel; 
GEORGE SENATOR who shares an apartment with him; 
ANDREV/ ARMSTRONG, an employee at the Capousel Club; 
C-ORBON tIcLENDON, owner of KLIF Radio, and 
DEV/EY GROOU, Manager of the Longhorn Ranch Club at 
Corinth and Industrial Streets, 

RUBY said he does his banking at the Merchants State Bank 
n Dallas, Texas, where he xisually does business with bank officer 
ACS ETERIDGE. RUBY'S home telephone number is V/Hitehall 1-5601; 
is phone number at the Carousel Club ic Riverside 7-2362, and his 
hone niiaiber at the Vegas Club is LAkeside 8-4775, 

RUBY listed his employees at the Carousel Club as: 

JOHN AlsDERSON, trumpet player and bandleader of the John 
.Anderson Trio, who lives somewhere in Irving, Texas;. 

ViflLL WILLIS, drummer in the trio, address unknown; 

BILL SIMMONS, piano player in the trio, address unknown; 

KAY COLEMAN, a dancer whose stage name is KATHY KAY, lives 
at the Holiday Apartments on Swing Street in Dallas, Texas; 



U^ 



Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 1— Continued 



39 



i 

DL 44-1639 

JOYCE McDonald, a dancer whose stage name is JOY DALE, 
410^ - 10th Street, Dallas, Texas; 

ICAREN WILLIAMS, a dancer whose stage name is FELISA PRELL, 
address in Dallas unknown; 

KAREN BENNETT, a dancer known as "Little Lynn," lives at 
unknown address in Fort V/orth, Texas; 

ANDREV/ ARMSTRONG, bartender and cleanup man, unknov/n address 
in South Dallas. ARMSTRONG has the keys to the club and 
is familiar with the records at the club showing names of 
eoployees; 

MARGE, BONNIE, BEaCY, and possibly one other girl, v/hoso 
last names are not known, work as waitresses at the club; 

RUBY said he was not too well acquainted with employees at 
the Ves-s Club because his sister, EVA GRANT, had been looking after 
that club until she had surgery recently. Employees at this club, so 
far as he can recall, are as follows: 

MILTON TH0L:\S, band leader of Brother Bear's Band, address 
unknown; , ,. 

LEONARD V/OODS; a drummer named McGINNIS, and a boy called 
"PIG," are all band members but he does not know their 
addresses; 

PAULINE, last name unknown, helps manage the place and also 
works as a waitress but her address is unknown; 

The name and address of the bartender are- unknown. 

LOUISE, last name unknown, is a waitress at the club and 
her address is unknown. 



■ I (-3 

Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



40 



Vo-t - / 



O.30J (R.Y. 3.3.5s) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



n„,, 11/25/63 






JACK RUBY was advised that he did not have to make 
a statement, thE-^he had a right to talk with a lawyer before 
making any statement, and any statement he made could be used 
against him in a court of law. v^ 

RUBY stated he was born March 25, 1911, at Chicago, 

Illinois, and attended the second year of high school but did 'o^ ^ "^ 

not complete that year of school. He presently resides at ^ ^f^ / 

Apartment 207, 223 South Ewing, Dallas, Texas. He operates /«- < > 

the Carousel Club at 13123- Commerce, and the Vegas Club, 3508 ,;)' ^ 'o\ 

Oak Lawn, in Dallas, Texas. His name at birth was JACK RUBEN- -v: N 

STEIN, but he had his name legally changed to JACK RUBY at '-"/:^ 

Dallas, Texas, in 19^8 or 19^9. He has also used the name C ,/\ 

JACK LEON RUBY, He has lived in Dallas since 19^7, living /^ \ 

most of the time in Chicago, Illinois, before that time. ^ j 

On Friday, November 22, 1963^ after he heard that ^j ^'^- 
President KENNEDY had been assassinated, he placed signs • ^ o 
on the doors of both of his clubs, that because of the T ^ 
death of the President, the clubs would be closed. He had ^ ^ 
not planned on opening them again until after the President's s^ 
funeral, because he was ashamed that anyone would v;ant to • , ). , 
participate in dancing or any entertainment after the assassi- V 
nation. On Friday night, he went to his church. Congregation 
Shearith Israel Synagogue, for prayer, and remembered that 
Rabbi SILVERMAN told those present that this tragic event 
should make us all better people. He later went to a deli- 
catessen and had some sandwiches made up, and drove dovmtovm 
and called Detective SIMS at the Homicide and Robbery Bureau 
at the Police Department, to see if anyone there v;anted the 
sandwiches. Mr. SIMS told him they had all eaten, and the 
sandwiches were not needed. RUBY explained that he has 
operated night clubs in Dallas since 19^7, and during that 
time has become personally acquainted with many members of ■ ' 
the Dallas Police Department. The officers 'have been very 
fair with him, and not one has ever put his hand out for even 
one dime. He knew that the police officers were working 
very hard, and he Just wanted to do something for them, so 
he thought he could help them by getting them some food. 
After he talked with Detective SIMS, he decided to call 
Radio Station KLIP In Dallas, to see If anyone there wanted 



_i;x.No.2 H/lLL, C. Ray Deposition 

^ Dallas, Texas 5-20-64 

. 11/25/63 „, Dallas, Texas p.. ^ DL 44-1639 

— ^ ; — 

. Spociol Agont C RAY HALL/jt D„,, ji^,^,,j 11/25/63 

ii9. docuaVot contains ^./-t"«c rsoooiqandallons nor conciu^tona of th« TBI. It i« tho proparty o< tha TBI aad ia loanad to 
VT.sfancyi it and Ita p^^.tanta ^ra not to ba dkatr^bijlad outHlda your ogancy. < ,< - 

Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 2 



41 



DL 44-1639 
2 



the sandwiches. He could not get anyone to ansv/er the 
phone, so he walked over to the Police Department to 
find someone that could give him the phone number in the 
room where the broadcasts were being made at KLIF. VH^ile 
in a hallway at the Police Department, he saw the Officers 
escorting OSWALD, the man who killed President KEITI-IEDY, down 
the hall to an assembly room. He had never seen OSV/ALD be- 
fore, and did not know him. He noticed that OSV/ALD had a 
black eye, and his face was scratched, and heard OSV/ALD 
r.;v,*nble something as he passed by him. OSWALD v;as in the 
assembly room for a few moments, then was brought back dovm 
the hall and taken upstairs. He later returned home, v;here 
he watched television broadcasts about President KENNEDY 
and the assassination, and read the newspaper articles about 
it. The following morning, he drove down to the spot where 
President KENNEDY was killed, and spent about an hour there, 
talking for some time with Police Officer CHANEY, who v/as on 
duty there. After that, he returned home where he read nev;s- 
papers and watched television. Vlhen he was alone, he cried 
a great deal, because President KENNEDY was his idol, and 
he was grieved that this nut OSWALD did a thing that brought 
such grief to the people of Dallas and people all over the 
world . 

On Saturday night, November 23, 1963, he called a 
friend, TOM 0' GRADY, who■v^^as formerly a member of the Dallas 
Police Department, and talked with him about President KENNEDY'S 
death, but he did not discuss with 0' GRADY anything about 
shooting OSWALD, because such 'a thought' had not occurred 
to hira at that time. 

RUBY declined to give a detailed account of his 
activities, or any other names of persons he had been in 
contact with during the past few days. 

He was also upset over an advertisement by one 
BERNARD V/EISSMAN in the Dallas Morning News newspaper of 
November 22, I963, criticizing President KENNEDY. RUBY 
said he was proud of the fact that he v;as a Jew, and was 
ashamed that anyone named WEISSMAN would criticize the 
President. 

RUBY said that many grievances built up, apparently, 
until he reached the point of insanity. He read in the nev;s- 
paper about OSWALD having a trial, and he thought that President 
KENNEDY'S wife would have to return to Dallas for the trial 



Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



42 



DL 44-1639 
3 

and he did not think she should have to undergo that ordeal. 
He recalled that not too long ago an officer of the Dallas 
Police Department was killed by a hotel man, and the hotel 
man beat the deal and was never even sentenced for the 
killing. Because of this, he was afraid that if OSV/ALD 
v;ere tried in court, he might be turned loose. As he v/alked 
do;\'n the stree'bs, he noticed that people v;ere going about 
their regular activities, and at night they were in clubs 
dancing and having a good time, apparently not in mourning 
or grieving continuously as he had. He felt that the civic 
leaders of Dallas were very sincere in their sorrow, but 
v.'ere helpless to show how much they were grieving. He also 
knew that the officers of the Dallas Police Department were 
he:. less to do anything to OSWALD for killing President 
KENI\EDY. He said he saw Attorney General BOBBY KENNEDY on 
television, and thought how much he loved his brother, the 
President, and how much BOBBY KENNEDY would like to do 
something to OSWALD, but couldn't do anything to OSWALD. 
He read newspaper articles about the President's children, 
and he thought of the sorrow that had been brought to them. 
He said he was proud of the way the City of Dallas had 
handled racial problems, and he thought it was the greatest 
city in the world, so he wanted to be something, better than 
anyone else. 

RUBY said he thought about these things, and had 
become very emotional. On Sunday morning, November 24, 
1963, he left his apartment at about 10:00 a.m. and drove 
his car do;^mtown to a parking lot across the street north 
of the Western Union Office, at the corner of Main Street 
and North Central Expressway. Before he left home, he put 
his revolver in his right coat pocket. He had bought this 
revolver, a Smith and Wesson .38 special caliber hammerless 
revolver, two or three years ago, at Ray's Hardv/are on Single- 
ton Avenue, in Dallas, Texas. After parking his car, he 
V7ent to the Western Union Office, and sent a $25.00 money 
order to an employee, KAREN BENNETT, at Ft. V/orth, Texas, 
so that she could go by the Western Union Office there and 
pick the money up, as she had requested nim to do. KAREN 
BENNETT lives In Ft. Worth. 

, Sometime after sending the telegram, he entered 
the basecient of the building where the Police Department 
in Dallas is located, entering from the Main Street side. 
RUBY said he did not wish to say how he got into the 



<v^ 



Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



43 



DL 44-1639 
4 



basement,, or at what time he entered. He did say that no 
one helped him in any v;ay to enter the basement of the 
building, and he did not use any press badge or help 
anyone move In camera or press equipment Into the building 
to gain entrance. When OSV/ALD was brought out through 
the door to the basement, RUBY said he was standing among 
the press representatives. When OSWALD passed near him, 
RUBY pulled his revolver from his pocket, placed the re- 
volver next to OSWALD, and fired one shot at OSWALD. RUBY 
was immediately grabbed by the Police Officers and taken 
into custody. 

RUBY said he had not planned to do this v/hen 
he went into the basement, but declined to say v/hy he 
brought his revolver with him when he came downtovm. He 
also declined to give any reason for shooting OSV/ALD, . 
except to say that it was Just a moment of insanity that 
overcame his sane reasoning when he saw OSWALD. 

RUBY said that baslcally,he was a humanitarian, 
and was not a Joiner of organizations. He belongs to no 
clubs, or groups of any kind, and is not a member of any 
political group. He has no particular political philosophy, 
and when he votes, he votes for the man that he thinks will 
do the best Job. He said he had not talked with anyone 
about shooting OSWALD, he made no telephone calls, or 
told anyone directly or indirectly that he intended to 
shoot OSWALD, and he made no plans to shoot OSWALD. He 
said that if OSWALD had confessed to shooting President 
KENNEDY, he probably would never have shot 0SV;ALD, because' 
he would have felt that OSWALD would have been convicted in 
court, but since OSWALD had not confessed to the assassination, 
he v/as afraid OSWALD might be turned loose. He said that 
hundreds of people had probably thought about v;anting to 
kill OSWALD, but he knew that no one would do anything about • 
it. Then, after he had shot OSV/ALD, he wondered v;hether he 
had not been a sucker, even though he had done what many 
people had probably wanted to do. He said he was not in- 
volved in any conspiracy with anyone, no one asked him or 
suggested to him that he shoot OSV/ALD, and no one gave him a 
shot in the arm or anything to give him courage to do this. 
It was simply a compulsive act. 

RUBY described himself as a white male, born March 
25, I91I/ at Chicago, Illinois. He is five feet, nine inches 



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weighs 175 pounds, has brown hair thinning on top, brown eyos, 
and niodiun complexion. His loft forefinger has the first joint 
r.iissing, which ho said was bitton off in a fight at one of his 
clubs in Dallas a number of years ago. Ho furnished the follow- 
ing naaes and addresses of his relatives: 



Parents 



JOSEPH and FANNIE RUBENSTEIN, 
deceased 



Brothers EARL RUBY, in care of Cobo Cleaners, 

Livernois Street, Detroit, Michigan 

SAMUEL RUBY, 116 Rochelle, Dallas, 
Texas, employed as a serviceman of 
washaterias. 

HYUAN RUBENSTEIN, 1044 V^ Loyola, 
Chicago, Illinois, a salesman 

Sisters Mrs. ANN VOLPERT,1044 W. Loyola, 

Chicago, Illinois, a saleslady at 
unknown department store. 

Mrs. MARIAN CARROLL, 1044 W. Loyola, 
Chicago, Illinois, employee at unknown 
U. S. Government agency. 

Mrs. ILENE KAMISKY, 6427 N. Tolman, 
Chicago, Illinois, whose husband is 
HAROLD KAMINSKY, an accountant. 

Mrs. EVE GRANT, 2939 Rawlins, Dallas, 
Texas, part owner of Vegas Club. 

RUBY said that at tho time of the shooting of OSV.'ALD, he, 
RUBY, was wearing a gray hat, charcoal brown suit, black shoes, 
whito ;::liirt, and charcoal black tie. His automobile is a white 
1S50 Oidsmobile tudor sedan, and his 1963 Texas license is believed 
to bs PD 678. He said he had considerable money on his person whan 
arrested, considerably over $1,000.00, and this -was money that ho had 
for his payroll at his clubs, as well as excise tax. He also had 
an unknown amount of money in the trunk of his automobile, and an 
unknown amount of money at his apartment house. Ho said that no 
one had given him any money for any reason whatsoever. He had this 
money because he owes a lot of bills, and did not want to put the 
money in his bank account. ^ 



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RUBY said that he was not personally acquainted with 
officer TIPPITT, of the Dallas Police, who was reportedly shot by 
OSWALD. 

At th?! tine the Intrrvie'-' "tth RUB'f couuneQCf:d; IXit'^ctivrrs T, D. 
McMTLTAfi find B- S. CLARDY, Auto Theft ?.a.vai.i.. Dallae Po31ce Dspartmentj 
vere on duty a? gun,rd? ov«r KUBY in a. cell on the fifth floor JkII at the. 
Dallas Police Department. Uniformed officer fC. K, HAAKE, Br»d.ge Wo. 1107, 
was on duty^t the outer door of tho cellhlocks. 




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D-302 (H.Y.3-3-S9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

12/25/63 



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Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 3 



JACK L. RUBY was interviewed in an interview room 
located on floor 5-M of the Dallas County Jail, Dallas, Texas. 
His attorneys, MELVIN BELLI, San Francisco, California; 
JOE TONAHILL, Jasper, Texas; SAM BRODY, Los Angeles, California, 
and WILLIAM CHOULOS, San Francisco, California, were present. 
The interview commenced at 1:50 PM and continued until 3:30 PM, 
when RUBY went to the rest room. It was resumed again at 3:34 PM ' 
and continued until 5:00 PM. ' 

JACK L. RUBY was advised by SA C. RAY HALL that he did ix^ ^ 
not have to make any statement. He was reminded that his attorneys x '-i- 
were present, and that any statements he made in answers to y)'>'^ 
questions could be used against him in a court of law. ~ '^ C" 



JACK L. RUBY then furnished the following information: 






On the night of Wednesday, November 20, 1953, he was at '^ 
his club, the Carousel Club, in Dallas, Texas. He thinks he closed /i . 
the club at about 2:00 AM on November 21, 195 3. One of his dancers,^ ^fy 
called "LITTLE LYNN", drank some champagne before closing, and when /^ -V 
she started home she got sick and passed out at Nichols Brothers / 
parking garage near his club. He thinks this occurred after ■; ? -^ 
2:00 AM on November 21, 196 3, but it could have been after ^ r^ 
2:00 AM on November 20, 1963. He went over to see about her, 7^ 
and tried to get her to go to a hospital, but she refused to go. nA ;v\ 
He remained with her, trying to take care of her, until 4:00 AM , 
or 5:00 AM and then went home, so far as he can now recall. After , 
he got home, he went to bed and went to sleep. \r 

At about 10:30 AM or 11:00 AM on November 21, 1953, he 
received a telephone call at home from a girl named TRAMMELL, whose 
first name may be CONNIE, or something similar. He met this girl 
at the Carousel Club about ^ight months previously, and since meeting 
her she has called him on the telephone several times. The 
TRAI-^MELL girl lives in an apartment on either Gaston Avenue or • 
Live Oak Street in Dallas, When she called him on November 21, 
1953, she told him that she had to get a job an<i that she had 
an appointment with LAMAR HUNT. He asked her how she got an 
appointment with HUNT, and she told him that she called HUNT'S 
home and got his number, then just called his office and asked 
him for an appointment about a job. _ .^ 



Zx.No.3 HjiLL, C. Ray Deposition _ 
Dallas, Texas 5-2S-64 



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TRAHMELL asked RUBY to come after her and give her a 
ride downtown, so he got dressed, picked her up and drove her 
downtown. RUBY had an appointment with his attorney but does 
not remember whether it was GRAHAM KOCH or STANLEY KAUFKiAN. 
Both attorneys have offices in the Mercantile Securities 
Building, Dallas, the same building in which LAMAR HUNT has his 
offices.- TRAMMELL went up to -see LAMAR HUNT and after RUBY 
completed his business with his attorney regarding some tax 
matters, he waited around the cigar stand in the lobby for a 
while for , TRAMMELL to come down, but she' did not, so he left and 
went to the Carousel Club. When he got to the club, one of his 
employees named LARRY was there, 

LARRY was a young boy whom he had seen at the State 
Fair of Texas, and he gave LARRY a job at the Carousel Club 
after the fair closed. He had asked LARRY to build a crate 
so he could ship a dog to a friend of RUBY's, AL GRUBER, who 
lives on Olympic Street in Los Angeles, California, LARRY had 
not built the crate, so he got after him for not having done 
what he had asked him to do. So far as he remembers, he stayed 
around the Carousel Club "until about 9:30 PM, when he and RALPH 
PAUL, who. owns part of the Carousel Club, went to the Egyptian 
Lounge for dinner. 

While they were eating at the Egyptian Lounge, a man 
named CONNORS, who is a salesman for the Dallas Morning News 
newspaper,, came over to the table and invited RUBY over to the 
Castaway Club located nearby. He declined the invitation because 
he did not want to go to this club as the manager had hired an 
orchestra away from RUBY that had played for RUBY for sevex^al yearji 
After- dinner , RUBY returned to the Carousel Club. During the 
evening of November 21, 1963, he did the breaks between shows, 
which were two breaks of twenty minutes each, and he used a 
roulette wheel to give away prizes to the audience. Sometime 
during the evening, he ordered someone out of the club because 
he was creating a disturbance, but he has no idea who this person 
was. He believes he- closed the Carousel Club at about 2:00 AM on 
November 22," 1953, and went home. If he went anywhere to eat 
before going home, he does not remember it. He does not now 
remember whether GEORGE SENATOR, who shares the apartment with 
RUBY, was at home when he arrived there or not, but he went 
directly to bed and went to sleep. 

OR 20 J 



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3 

On the morning of November 22, 1963, RUBY got up at 
about 9:30 AM and does not now recall .whether GEORGE SENATOR was 
in the apartment or not. He drove downtown and stopped at the 
Dallas Morning News at about 10:50 AM. He believes he stopped 
for a moment and talked to two girls employed there, GLADYS CRADDOCK 
and a girl named CONNELLY or CONNELL. He thinks he gave them a 
bottle of Larson's CRD, a food supplement for persons on a diet. 
de then went to the office of TONY ZOPPI, but TONY was not there. 
RUBY looked over a brochure there about BILL DEMAR, a master of 
ceremonies at the Carousel Club. Another employee of the news- 
paper, a Mr. PAYNE, may have been in ZOPPI 's office while RUBY 
i^as in there. 

RUBY left that office and went to Mr. JOHN NEWNAM's 
office at the newspaper to talk about RUBY's ads. RUBY was trying 
:o make a 12:00 noon deadline. Mr. CONNORS, the same person RUBY 
lad seen at- the Egyptian Lounge the previous evening, came in to 
^lEWNAM's office, and they talked for a while. NEWNAM came in, and 
^UBY completed his advertisements for his clubs. 

At about that time, people began running around, and 
lUEY heard someone say that somebody had been shot. First, he 
leard that Governor CONNALLY had been shot, then a Secret 
service Agent, and then someone said that "our beloved President 
^as been shot". RUBY then called his sister, EVA GRANT, and told 
ler about the shooting and told her he would be at her house as 
;oon as he could. He left the Dallas Morning News but does not know 
:he time when he left. He drove to the Carousel Club and told his 
employee, ANDY ARMSTRONG, to get in touch with everybody and tell 
■':hem he was closing his clubs. He then called a friend, ALICE 
IICHOLS, and she told him that Neiman-Marcus had closed their 
itore. He called AL GRUBER in Los Angeles from the Carousel Club • 
md told GRUBER he would send a dog to him soon. RUBY said he 
,:alked to GRUBER about the death of President KENNEDY but began 
i:rying and finally just told GRUBER he had to break it off and 
lung up the telephone. 

Somebody brought some merchandise to the club, but he 
.oes not remember who it was, and RUBY just told the man to take 
he merchandise back as he did not vrant aoy. He called his sister 
everal times during the afternoon and was so upset that he was 
elligerent toward his employees, ANDY and LARRY, who were at 
he Carousel Club. He remembers getting a telephone call from 
ATHY KAY; he called his business associate, RALPH PAUL, and told 
AUL that he was going to close his clubs; he called BRECK WALL 
n Galveston, and also JOE PETERSON; and he called his sister ^ 
ILEEN in Chicago, locating her at his sister MARIAN'S house. 

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Sometime late that afternoon, he left the Carousel 
Club and went to the Ritz Delicatessen and bought a lot of food 
and then went to the home of his sister in Dallas, EVA GRANT. He 
and his sister talked and while there, his employee, AI>IDY, called 
and told him that DON SAFRAN , of the Dallas Times .Herald, had 
called and wanted to get in touch with him. RUBY then called 
SAFRAN, who told RUBY that the Cabana and the Century Room were 
going to close and he did not know what ABE and BARNEY WEINSTEIN 
were going to do. _, RUBY said he told SAFRAN that he had already 
closed, without aSking what the other club owners were doing. 
SAFR.\N then asked RUBY about whether he would be open the next 
night, and RUBY said he did not know but would call him back. 
In a few minutes RUBY called SAFRAN back and told him he was 
going to be closed Saturday and Sunday nights, in addition to 
Friday night. 

At no time did RUBY go to Parkland Hospital on 
November 22, 1963. At about 7:00 PM or 8:00 PM, he left his 
sister's home and drove to his apartment to get dressed to go 
to Congregation Shearith Israel Synagogue, arriving there at 
about 10:00 PM or 10:30 PM. Before he left his apartment, he 
called Dr. COLEMAN JACOBSON to determine when the services began 
at his Synagogue. Following services, refreshments were served, 
but he did not feel like visiting with anyone. He stayed there 
for a short time, then drove toward downtown. He passed the Club 
BaliHai, noticing that it was open, and then drove by the Gay Life 
Club and saw that it was closed. He then drove on to Phil's 
Delicatessen and went in and talked to the owner, PHIL MILLER, 
He had read in the newspaper, or heard over the radio, that the 
police officers in the Homicide Bureau would be working overtime 
that night, so he ordered ten sandwiches and decided he would 
take them something to eat. Afrer he ordered the sandwiches, he 
called the Police Department Homicide Bureau and talked to 
Detective SIMS, telling him he was getting some sandwiches and 
would bring them "down 'for themi SIMS told 'him- they were'about 
th: ough'and -were -winding up things there and did -not want any- 
thing to eat. After SIMS told him that ^ -he decided he would 
take'the sandwiches to the employees at KLIF Radio Station, 

He -explained that he has -known -GORDON MC LENDON, owner 
of the radio -station, for a number of years, and he also knows 
■RUSS KNIGHT, a disk jockey at the station. The employees at the 



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radio station have been good about giving him free plugs when 
he was trying to get started with his clubs, and he just wanted 
to do something for them because he knew they would be working 
late. He called GORDON MC LENDON's home, from Phil's Delicatessen, 
in order to get a number at the radio station so he could talk to 
the men on duty there. The daughter gave him a number, and he 
told her he was going to take some sandwiches to the radio 
station, but the daughter told him her mother had already sent 
some food up there. RUBY called the number he had gotten, but 
it was a wrong number. 

He picked up his sandwiches and discovered they had made 
only eight, when he ordered ten. He drank a soft drink, then left 
with his sandwiches and drove downtown, driving up Commerce Street 
and parking across from the City Hall. He decided to go to the 
Police Department to try to locate some newsmen from KLIF in 
order to obtain the unlisted phone number for the radio station. 
He went to the third ^loor of the Police Department, where the 
newsmen were gathered. As he got off the elevator, a policeman, 
who was not known to RUBY, asked him where he was going, or whom 
he wanted to see, RUBY told him he was looking for JOE DELONG, 
of KLIF, and the officer let him go on inside. He looked around 
for a while, without. seeing anyone from KLIF, and asked some 
unknown police officer to have JOE DELONG paged over the loud- 
speaker. DELONG did not answer the page, but while he was waiting 
he saw Captain FRITZ, of the Police Department, come out of his 
office with a person, OSWALD. RUBY heard a reporter tell FRITZ 
that this was not a good place, so FRITZ went back inside his 
office with OSWALD. In a minute, RUBY heard some newsmen say 
something about the basement, so he went down there to an 
assembly room where some newsmen were. 

When he saw OSWALD here, this was the first time that 
he had ever seen him. He had never heard the name of LEE HARVEY 
OSWALD before OSWALD'S arrest on November 22, 1963, by the Dallas 
Police Department. Any rumors that OSWALD was ever at any of 
RUBY'S clubs are wrong because RUBY had never seen LEE HARVEY 
OSWALD at any place before he saw him with Captain FRITZ at the 
Dallas Police Department the night of November 22, 1963. Any 
rumors that OSWALD was at the Carousel Club are absolutely untrue. 
RUBY has since heard reports that his master of ceremonies at the 
Carousel Club, BILL DEMAR, has reported that OSWALD was at the 
Carousel Club one night before President KENNEDY was assassinated. 



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RUBY said that this is absolutely false, because OSWALD was never 
there. RUBY has heard that ED SULLIVAN got in touch with BILL 
DEMAR and wanted DEMAR on SULLIVAN'S television program, but 
SULLIVAN did not believe DEMAR' s story and would not use him. 
RUBY further advised that, newspaper reports that RUBY and OSWALD 
were seen together in Waco, Texas, are complete falsehoods because 
he was never with OSWALD anywhere. Reports that OSWALD was going 
to ruby's apartment after President KENNEDY'S death are abso- 
lutely false, because OSWALD did not know RUBY, RUBY has never 
had any previous connection with OSWALD, and OSWALD could not 
have been going to RUBY's apartment «■ RUBY said that his employee, 
ANDY ARMSTRONG, knows more about RUBY's club and RUBY's morals 
than anyone else, and ANDY can tell anyone that OSWALD was never 
in the Carousel Club. 

When RUBY got to the assembly room, he went to the 
back of the room and stood on top of a table, so he could see 
and be out of the way. In a few minutes j HENRY WADE, the District 
Attorney, and Captain FRITZ came into the assembly room with 
OSWALD for an interview with the press, OSWALD mumbled or talked 
a little, but the newsmen could not hear him. RUBY did not hear 
OSWALD either. After a short time. Captain FRITZ took OSWALD 
away, HENRY WADE was then interviewed by the newsmen. 

RUBY said that he had his revolver in his right front 
trouser pocket all during this evening, November. 22 and 23, 
195 3, except when he went to church services. He left the 
revolver in his car while he was in church but put it back in 
his right trouser pocket when he got back to his car. He said 
he c arried his gun because he had a lot of money on his person 
and "always carried his gun when he carried money. 

After the interview with WADE, RUBY left the assembly 
room and was out in the corridor, A newsman came by whom RUBY 
did not know, and RUBY asked him if he had seen JOE DELONG, of 
KLIF. This man said he had not seen DELONG, and RUBY mentioned 
that he had some sandwiches for KLIF. This man said he was from 
KBOX radio and asked RUBY what was the matter with them . RUBY 
said he told the man that next time maybe, but this time he had 
the sandwiches for KLIF. This man. from. KBOX then gave RUBY the 
unlisted phone number for KLIF, RUBY went around behind the 
counter in the basement offices of the Police Department and 
telephoned KLIF, talking to an employee named KEN, He told KEN 
he had some sandwiches but could not get in the entrance door 
to the radio station. At about that time, HENRY WADE walked f^ 
by, and RUBY was still talking to KEN so he asked KEN if he /7\ 
wairted- to talk to HENRY WADE. KEN said he did, so RUBY" called V 

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to HENRY WADE and told WADE he was wanted on the telephone. 
,s'ADE talked on the phone to KEN, then handed the phone back to 
RUBY. RUBY talked to KEN again, and KEN told him it was great 
bf RUBY to help him get the interview with WADE, 

I RUBY said he then left the Police Department building, 

vent to his car and drove over to Radio Station KLIF. He got 
the sandwiches out of his car to take them upstairs, but the 
front door was locked. In about ten or fifteen minutes, RUSS 
\NIGHT came by and let him inside. They all went upstairs, 
and the employees on duty ate the sandwiches. RUBY left Radio 
Station KLIF at about 3:00 AM on November 23, 1963, and drove to 
t'r.Q. Dallas Times Herald newspaper building. He went inside and 
talked to an employee named PAT GADOSH and gave PAT a twist 
Doard, an exerciser. GADOSH is the person at the newspaper who 
takes ruby's ads for his clubs. 

He talked with GADOSH about the advertisement in the 
Dallas Morning News, by BERNARD WEISSMAN, that was critical of 
President KENNEDY. GADOSH told RUBY not to worry about the ad, 
Decause the Dallas Morning News was suffering enough for carrying 
such an ad. RUBY got his ad taken care of and drove toward home, 

'. V"^'While driving home, RUBY thought of the similarity 
between the BERNARD WEISSMAN advertisement and a sign he had 
seen which read, "Impeach EARL WARREN". He drove home and 
awakened GEORGE SENATOR and asked SENATOR to go with him. He 
called the Carousel Club and awakened his employee, LARRY, and 
asked LARRY if he knew how to operate a Polaroid camera, LARRY 
said he could operate the camera, so he told LARRY he would be 
down to pick up LARRY and the camera, RUBY and SENATOR then 
drove to the Carousel Club sometime about 4:00 or 5:00 AM on 
Jiovember 23, 195 3, and picked up LARRY and the camera. They 
drove to Central Expressway and Ross Avenue, where they found 
a sign, about 2 feet by 4 feet, on top of a Potter Steel Company 
sign, which read "Impeach EARL WARREN", and at the bottom of this 
sign was -"Box 1757, Beltham, Mass," 

They took some photographs of this sign, and RUBY then 
remembered that the BERNARD WEISSMAN ad had the address "Box 17 92, 
Dallas, Texas", so they drove to the Main Post Office in Dallas 
and looked at Post Office Box 1792, RUBY asked a man on duty at 
the post office for the name of the man who had Post Office Box 
L792, but the man told him he could not give RUBY the name of ^ 
the box holder. They left and went to the Southland Hotel !\ 



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Coffee Shop, where RUBY talked for a few minutes with the 
owner, a taan believed to be named WEBB, RUBY said as a 
patriotic "American he was so upset and intense over the sign, 
and— the- a<iv^rtisement critical of President KENNEDY, '-tbat;, he 
could not eat anything but drank some orange juice at the 
coffee shop. They left the coffee shop and dropped off LARRY 
at the Carousel Club at about 6:00 AM. As he got out of the 
car, LARRY, told RUBY that he supposed RUBY was not going to 
bed, and RUBY told LARRY that he was not going to bed. RUBY 
and SENATOR drove on to their apartment and went to bed. 

At about 8:30 AM on November 23, 1963, LARRY phoned 
RUBY and asked him what kind of dog food he wanted. RUBY said 
that before he realized that he had told LARRY he was not going 
to bed, he talked real ugly to LARRY. He found out later that 
LARRY left the keys to the Carousel Club next door and left 
town without telling RUBY he was leaving or where he was going, 
RUBY got up at about 11:00 or 11:30 AM and got dressed and 
drove downtown. He decided to stop and look at all the wreaths 
that had been placed on the side of the street near where 
President KENNEDY had been shot. He looked at the wreaths, then 
went over to talk to Police Officer CHANEY, who was on duty 
there, and talked with CHANEY for a few minutes, but choked up 
and left because he did not want CHANEY to see him crying. He 
went on up the street and met WES WISE, of'KRLD television station 
and talked to WISE for a few minutes. He drove on away and as he 
was leaving he noticed that Captain FRITZ and Chief of Police 
CURRY were walking around the scene of the assassination. He 
backed up and told WISE, "There goes FRITZ and CURRY". He then 
drove on home. 

Later on in the afternoon he drove ba'ck downtown and 
went to Sol's Turf Bar and talked with a man named BELLOCHIO, 
or something like that, who was in the place, and also talked 

"to his accountant, ABE KLEINMAN, who was in the place. He 
she ed them photos that he had taken of the sign "Impeach EARL 
V;ARREN", and they talked about that. BELLOCHIO was talking 
about the bad publicity that Dallas would get because President 
KENNEDY had been killed in Dallas and said he would probably 
have to leave town* RUBY reminded him that he had made his 

^money in Dallas and should not leave now. BELLOCHIO wanted one 

■of the photos that RUBY had taken, but RUBY would not -give him 
a photo. While in this bar RUBY called his attorney, STANLEY 

-KAUFMAN, and he told STANLEY about the photos, RUBY was in 
Sol's Turf Bar about forty-five minutes, then left sometime 
between 3tQ0 and HtOO PM on the afternoon of November 23, 1983, 



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He does not remember exactly where he went '. .. . ■ -. 

;hen he left but may have gone by the Lacy Building to see his 
railor, but he then went back to the Carousel Club and then on 
lome. His employee ANDY at the Carousel Club called him about 
i:00 PM and wanted to leave, but RUBY told ANDY to stay at the 
:lub to answer any incoming telephone calls. He stayed home 
intil about 11:00 PM, when he went to the Pago Club. He sat 
lown at a back table and ordei'ed a Coke. BOB NORTON, the manager, 
;a"e over and told RUBY that he was going to close the club but 
lad been told to keep it open. RUBY told NORTON that was all 
"ight, he could do whatever he wanted to do, but he -had closed 
lis clubs. RUBY left there after he finished his Coke and drove 
:o his Carousel Club. He stayed around there for a little while, 
:hen drove home because he was not interested in any gaiety. He 
iid not go to the Cabana Motel and visit a club there. 

RUBY said that on the morning of November 24, 1953, 
le got a call from one of his dancers called LITTLE LYNN, who 
■.as been a pain to him because of her actions, and she said she 
lecded some money for her landlord. On Friday night, November 22, 
.953, he had to give her $5.00 so she could get home. He did not 
;ant her to come by his apartment to get the money because her 
lusband would come with her and RUBY did not like her husband, 
ie told LYNN he would send her some money by Western Union to 
'ort Worth, Texas. He had a lot of money with him that he had 
lor a deposit to pay his excise tax, so he got his revolver and put 
.t in his right front trouser pocket. He said he never carried the 
;un in his coat pocket because it would get his coat out of shape. 

He said- he had no permit to carry a gun and had no card 
)r badge as any kind of l-E:w;:cr;'irc5f-.::wr.cnCoaf.fiGcxt:o THd^aev^r ,::,- 
I number- of officers of the Dallas Police Department knew he had a 
;un. He recalled that a couple of times the police officers had 
:aken him out of jail and given his gun back to him. He did not 
'ecall the names'of these officers. He said that being around 
:lubs and carrying money — it was like a jungle with all the 
,.;tickups--he carried his revolver when he had money on his person. 

He left his apartment, got in his car and started to 
own to send the money to LITTLE LYNN. As he drove out of his 

iveway, he stopped and talked to a neighbor, name unknown but 
rho is the father-in-law of Police Officer BUDDY MUENSTER. RUBY 
ad his dog in the car with him. He drove toward town on the 
hornton Expressway and turned off onto Industrial Street, then 
,p Industrial to Main Street so he could see the wreaths at the 



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spot where President KENNEDY was assassinated. As he passed 
the County Building .he noticed a lot of people around so he 
assumed that OSWALD had already been moved to the County Jail. 
He drove on up Main Street and as he passed the City Hall he 
noticed a number of people around there. Just before he reached 
the next corner, he made an illegal left turn into a parking lot 
across the street from the Western Union Office and parked his 
car there. He left his dog in his car. He then walked across 
the street and sent a money order for $25.00 to LITTLE LYNN at 
Fort Worth, 

After sending the telegram, he left the Western Union 
office and walked west on the same side of the street, toward 
the City Hall, located on the next corner. Before he reached 
the Police Department building, he noticed a police officer 
standing at the entrance to the ramp going into the basement 
from Main Street, but he did not know the police officer. Just 
before he reached that point, a police car came out of the 
basement, and he recognized the driver of the police car as 
Lieut, PIERCE. He explained he has known Lieut. PIERCE for 
twelve or fourteen years. PIERCE did not look toward him or 
speak to him and RUBY did not speak to Lieut. PIERCE. RUBY 
could not recall seeing anyone else in the police car with 
Lieut, PIERCE in either the front or back seat of the police car. 

As. the police car driven by Lieut. PIERCE came out of 
the basement ramp , the officer on duty at the entrance stepped 
-back and walked toward the curb next to the street, with his 
back toward RUBY, As the police car got even with this officer, 
the officer stooped down and looked inside the car. At about 
this time, RUBY. had reached the entrance to the Main Street 
ramp, and he took in the movement of the police car and the 
officer on duty at the ramp, with a quick glance. Without 
breaking his stride or hesitating, RUBY turned to his left and 
walked down the ramp into the basement. As he entered the 
ramp, he does not recall seeing any person standing around the 
entrance y and he does not know a former police officer named 
DANIELS. 

RUBY said he 'is positive he did not have either of 
his hands in any of his pockets — either coat or trouser pockets — 
when he entered and walked down the ramp. He .did not look behind 
him to see which way the police car went when it entered the 
street, and- he did not look behind him to see whether anyone ^ 
observed him entering the basement.. RUBY said he had no kind •- 



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of press card or any other kind of identification on the outside 
of his coat, and he exhibited no identification to anyone to 
gain entrance to the basement. 

Just as he got to the bottom of the ramp, RUBY said, 
"A person who pops out with two men; that is all I can remember; 
:iaturally I know who he is; to me, he had this smirky, smug, 
^'indictive attitude; I can't explain what impression he gave me, 

but that is all I can , well, I just lost my senses; the next 

I knew I was on the ground and five or six people were on top of 
ne". RUBY said that as he was going down the ramp he spoke to no 
3ne and no one spoke to him. He did not recognize anyone in the 
;rowd there, and he did not stop and stand behind anyone. 

RUBY was asked why he killed OSWALD, and he said, "I 
vas in mourning Friday and Saturday. To me, when he shot before 
ne like he did, something in my insides tore out, and I just went 
Dlank. To me, he represented — I'll go back a little bit. I 
Listened to a eulogy Saturday morning, I am sure, and I heard 
Rabbi SILVERMAN speak about our President, He said, 'Here is a 
r.an that fought in all battles, but he didn't have a chance to 
fight here, he was shot from the rear'. I have been around people 
that are so smug and hard. Then about OSWALD being associated 
jith Communism, and how he blemished this beaoitiful city; and Mrs. • 
<ENNEDY having to come back to the trial. I told no one I was 
5oing to kill him. No one knew I was going to shoot him. I didn't 
iiscuss anything with anyone about shooting him. No police 
officer assisted me in any way, or did, or said anything to 
suggest ray shooting OSWALD. I remembered MULLINAX, a police 
officer who was killed, and MULLINAX was a friend of mine, I did 
lot know J. D. TIPPIT. I knew a TIPPIT on the police department, 
3ut he was in the Special Service Bureau, and he was not the TIPPIT 
Lhat was killed. I did not know the TIPPIT that was killed." 

RUBY said he has never had any serious illnesses or 
hospitalizations and does not have a steel plate in his head, 
ie volunteered his mother had previously been committed to an 
Insane asylum. He professed to know of no other history of mental 
Illness in his family. 

RUBY stated he was born in Chicago in 1911. He spent 
bur or^ive years in various foster homes in Chicago, mentioning 
hat his father was an alcoholic. He said the father's alcoholic 
labits contributed to his mother's mental condition, -along with 
ler problems in "the change of life". He said he rema:iT;ed in \\ 
Jhicago until 1933. r\ 



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He said that in 1933 he, one AL DUNN, MAURY (last name 
not recalled) and a third person, whose name he. could not imme- 
diately recall, went to Los Angeles, California, where they sold 
"Collier's Tip Sheet", which he described as a handicapper ' s 
tip sheet for horse races. He said their arrival in the Los 
Angeles area coincided, as he recalled, with the opening of the 
Santa Anita Race Track, He related they remained in the Los 
Angeles area for a few months only and during the same year, 
1933, went to the San Francisco area, where he at first engaged 
in similar activities at the Bay Meadows Race Track. Subsequently, 
he sold subscriptions to Hearst newspapers, the San Francisco 
Examiner and San Francisco Call Bulletin, covering San Francisco 
and small towns in the general area. 

He said he remained in San Francisco until 1937 and 
returned to Chicago and was unemployed for a considerable period. 
In 1941, he related, he, his brother EARL RUBY, HARRY EPSTEIN, 
MARTY SHARGOL (Phonetic) and MARTY GIMPLE "went on the road" 
selling punch boards and small cedar chests in numerous Eastern 
and New England states. He specifically mentioned the states of 
New York, Connecticut and Pennsylvania, He said he had no fixed 
a<idress during this period, that the group lived in various hotels, 

RUBY related that in late 1941 he returned to Chicago 
and continued his business of sailing punch boards, primarily 
through mail orders. He mentioned an advertisement was run in 
Billboard magazine in this regard. He mentioned that during this 
period he became very closely associated with ARTY WAYNE, a 
musician, 

RUBY stated he remained in Chicago until' 1942, He said 
his brother SAMUEL was ,in military service, stationed at Jefferson 
Barracks in the St, Louis area. He said he went to St, Louis and 
spent a week or two there, to be near his brother. His brother 
EARL, he related, was at the time'- in the U« S, Navy ,- stationed 
at Dutch Harbor, He said he sold punch boards- While- in the 
Sti Louis area. He said he returned to Chicago in 1942 and "hung 
^around home,"- mentioning specifically the area of Division and 
"" Damon Streets. He said he had had difficulties with his previous 
partners in the punch board business. 

In the period 1942-1943, he operated out of Globe Auto 
Glass Company, owned by one MORRIE KELLMAN. He mentioned that his 
brother HYMAN had, during this period, been released from military 
service 'as being "too old"« He said that he personally entered f 

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he military service in 19H3 and remained until 13U6, 

RUBY said that in 1946, on being discharged from 
ilitary duty, he returned to Chicago and "prospered" in his 
ail order business involving punch boards and miscellaneous 
terns. He said his sister EVA had for sohie time been wanting 
o operate a night club in Dallas and had moved to Dallas from 
alifornia. He said he in the meantime had had some friction 
ith his brothers and had sold his interest in their mutual 
usiness of selling punch boards and other items to the brothers. 

He said he sent money to his sister EVA for a lease on 
building in which to open a club. He said he at that time was 
iving at the Congress Hotel, Chicago, having saved some money. 
e said for a brief period he was associated with one PINKIE 
ARWOOD, who lived in Detroit, in the. promotion, of. ."cookware". 
his was not a successful venture. 

He said that in 1947 he moved to Dallas to be associated 
ith EVA in the night club business. He returned to Chicago, how- 
ver, in the same year in a few months in an effort to enter into 
arious 'Merchandising deals". Being unsuccessful, he returned to 
alias in 1947 and has lived in Dallas continuously since. 

RUBY said he went broke in the night club business in 

952 and had a "mental breakdown". He continued along this line 
y saying he was "mentally depressed" and that he "hibernated in 
he Cotton Bowl Hotel" for three or four months, declining to see 
is friends. He said he went back to Chicago briefly and his 
rother EARL tried to help him out financially. He returned to 
alias, however, in 1952. 

RUBY said his first ventures in Dallas- were the Bob 
ills Ranch House and Silver Spur. He said that WILLIE EPSTEIN 
nd MARTY GIMPLE were associated with him in the Silver Spur 
nd it was at the Silver Spur that he went broke. He said after 
is "comeback" he tried operating the Silver Spur again. In 1952- 

953 he operated the Ervay Theater, a motion picture house, 
riefly. In 1953 he became associated ■ in theVega-s. Club and 
Hernando's Hideaway", 

■ •^ In 1956 he sold his interest in the Silver Spur. He 
elated that in 1959-1960 he persuaded his brother EARL to come 
o Dallas and to assist in establishing the Sovereign Club. 
ARL did not remain in Dallas, however. He said the Sovereign '^/\ 

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Club, established as a private club, became the Carousel, which 
continues to operate, 

RUBY said he has not been associated with or operated 
any night clubs except in Dallas, Texas. 

RUBY stated that he visited a friend of his brother in 
Windsor, Ontario, Canada, in 1929-1930 for two or three months. 
In 1933, when en route to California on a brief trip, he went 
across into Mexico at Juarez, He said this was purely a "tourist" 
trip of short duration. He said he has never been in Mexico 
otherwise and has never been outside the Continental United States 
except as indicated above and below. He said he has never been in 
Honolulu, Hawaii, 

RUBY related that in August 1959 he went to Havana, 
Cuba, to see L, C, MC WILLIE, who was "some sort of a good will 
man" for the Tropicana, a gambling establishment. He said MC WILLIE 
sent him a plane ticket and he lived at the Fosca Apartments with 
MC l^ILLIE- for a period of eight to ten days. He said he spent all 
of his time in Havana except to go to a small area on one occasion 
with "one of the FOX brothers", who owned the Tropicana, He said 
his trip to Cuba was completely non-political and that he has had 
no correspondence with persons in Cuba, He said MC WILLIE is now 
at the Thunderbird Hotel, Las Vegas, Nevada, ■• 

RUBY stated he has not been a member of any political 
associations, clubs or organizations. He said his brother HYMAN 
was at one time interested in politics in Chicago in a small way. 
He said he may have belonged to B'nai B'rith and the "Jewish 
Welfare Fund", He said he has never been a member of the 
Communist Party or any "front" organizations, that he has had no 
membership in, or affiliation with, or interest in "Fair Play for 
Cuba" or any other Cuban organization of any type. 

RUBY volunteered that some years ago, "at a time when 
CASTRO was popular in the United States", he read of an individual 
in the vicinity of Houston, Texas, having been engaged in "gun 
running to CASTRO", He said he attempted by telephone to get in 
touch with this individual as he had in mind "making a buck" by 
possibly acquiring some Jeeps or other similar equipment- which 
he might sell to persons interested in their importation to Cuba, 
He saidnothing came of this. He said he had never attended any 
meetings concerned with "gun running", smuggling of persons in 
or out of Cuba or- otherwise- in relation to Cuban affairs. 



RUBY said he was associated- in about 1937 in Chicago 
with - the Scrap Iron and Junk Dealers Union but has otherwise had 



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lo other direct association with any union except American Guild 
)f Variety Artists, the latter in connection with his night club 
)usinesses. 

RUBY stated that during the sununer of 1963 he took a 
:rip to Houston, Texas, en route to Edna, Texas, where he visited 
:ANDY BARR, a former Dallas strip tease figure who had just been 
released from the Texas State Penitentiary. He said he gave 
^A.\'DY a dog as a present. He said he went on to New Orleans on 
:his same trip, his purpose being to attempt to engage the ser- 
vices of "JADA", a stripper who had been performing in New 
)rleans. 

He said that in the summer of 1963 he flew via American 
lir Lines to New York City, where he remained for two or three 
lays at the new Hilton Hotel, He said his purpose was to see 
rOE GLASER, a booking agent, and to see officials of American 
5uild of Variety Artists in order to register complaints relative 
:o competitors in Dallas, He said he travelec^ alone. On this 
:rip, he recalls having run into "DANTE", a magician, in an 
lutomat and having visited or contacted BARNEY ROSS, former 
;ell-known prize fighter whom he had known in Chicago, He said 
>n the return to Dallas he went via Chicago and that members of 
lis family joined him briefly at O'Hare Field, the Chicago 
lirport, RUBY said he could recall no other travel outside of 
)allas during 1963, 

He mentioned having been in New York, Joplin, Missouri; 
?ulsa, Oklahoma, and Chicago in 1956 when he was attempting to 
promote a young Negro tap dancer and drummer named NELSON, also 
:nown as "LITTLE DADDY". He said this trip lasted several weeks. 

He related that he was in Hot Springs, Arkansas, in 
956, as he recalls, having flown there to attend the races. He 
laid he believed he was in Little Rock during the same trip 
jriefly. He said he was in Las Vegas, Nevada, in 19 37 and does not 
recall having been there since that time. 

RUBY stated that no police officers accompanied him on 
:he trip to Hot Springs, mentioned above, and that he had never 
)een outside the City of Dallas with any Dallas law enforcement 
jfficers. He said he had never employed any Dallas policeman 
Ln any of his clubs, although he had employed "Special Officers", 
for the services of the latter, he paid the City of Dallas, and 
:he City in turn paid the "Special Officers" in question. He said ri 



Hall (C. Ray) Exhibit No. 3 — Continued 






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he had never given money or other things of value to officers 
of the Dallas Police Department except bottles of whiskey at 
Christmastime to some. He said he had also had a practice of 
admitting officers to his clubs without cover charge and having 
gxven "special prices" on drinks; for example, he would give 
officers beer for 40 cents a bottle, where his usual price was 
more. He said he had never asked any special favors from any 
police personnel. 



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Fo-302 (Rov. 3-3-50) FED3RAL BUP.EAU OF INVESTlGATiC.Nl 

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IIERT I-l^LL, 4112 Sun Valley, Dallas, Dallas I'lar.acjar 
of .\naorcd Motor Servico, Inc., 1800 Leonard, Dallas, v/as 
interviG%-/ed at his place of iiusinass. Ka said that E.'^.ROLD J. 
FLSI-iING is Operations Kanager and Corporate Counsel for that 
finr. , and- has offices in Fort Worth, Tsxas. 

I-1\LL said that at about 9:45 A.M. on t?43 ir.orning of 
Ncvarf.her 24, 1S63 , ha v/as called from the Sunday School cla:,3 
he v;as teaching to ta>:a a telephone call from FL2:'lING. FL2:--IKG 
told him that Assistant Cliief of Police C£L\RL2S 3.-i.TCrI2L0R had 
requested the Arrr.ored Motor Service to furnish an armored 
rruck. FLEMING asked HALL to meet him at their Dallas office 
and to call tV70 ether employees to meet with them there. 

HALL said he does not nov/ recall whether FLS^-IING said 
he had received the call from Chief BAT'CZ3L0R, or v/nether Chief 
3A"CHEL0R called TOM i-:?,i;TIK , President of the ccm.pany, who in 
turn called FLEI-ilNG. Ee also said he cannot now recall %^-iether 
FLE:-1ING told him the reason 'che trucic i.'as r.eaa^c. at ^he t^me the 
call \-7Bi3 made. 



EALL said ha ir.r:.ed lately called DCN.-.LD GGIiJ , Assistant 3 

Vault Kanager, and ED DIETRICH, Assistant Crev/ Chief, and as'.ced * 

them to meet him at the Dallas office of the company. He does \i 

not recall whether ha e:-:plained the reason for. this request at w, 

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HALL said his v/ife v/as also teaching Sunday School at 
the tirr.e, and before leaving the church 'ne merely told her he 
had to go to work and would meet her at home later. 

FLZi-uING , GOIN , DIETRICH and H.\LL then raet at the 
Dallas office of the firm, arriving at various times frc--a about 
10s 15 -A. 14. to 10:30 A.M. There vras a brief discussion as to 
v/nich truck to use . HALL said FLEI'IING told them the larger 
armored truck would be used to transport LEE K.ARVSY GSXvALD fromi 
City Hall to the County Court House. This truck is described 
as a two-ton Chevrolet, tv70 compartment, over-the-road truck. 



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It is a large truclc with "t;wo bunks in it. FLEI-IING explained 
that the larger truck v/as needed because of the large nujciber 
of people it would be transporting, including OSV??,.LD and a 
number of police officers. 

RfvLL Stated he v/as familiar with the baser.-.ent at 
City Hall and knev; that the truck v;as too large to get into 
the entrance on the ^lain Street side of City Eall , so it v/as 
agreed to back the truck into the entrance on the Corrmerce 
Street side. 

The four of them left their Dallas office at about 
10:45 \.M. HALL drove the larger truck, with FLK-ilWG riding 
in the passenger side. GO^N and DIETRICI-I went in an acco.v._->any- 
ing sraaller armored truck, v/ith GOIN driving. 

They left their parking lot located ne:rt to the 
building, on Flora Street, proceeding v/est on Flora Street to 
Leonard , south on Leonard to Ross Avenue , west en Ross to 
Pearl, south on Pearl to Kain Street, west on l-lain Street to 
Earv/ood , south on Iiar^\rood to Conmierca , and then east on COiri-.i.erce 
to the Commerce Street entrance to the City Hall Garage. 

HALL said the entrance to the garage was too sr^all for 
their truck to enter, so he backed into the garage, leaving the 
rear end of the truck inside the garage, and the cab protruding 
outside. He said the truclv almost completely blocked the 
entrance to the garage. COIN and DIETRICH, in the smaller 
armored truck, parked ir.-aediately adjacent to the garage 
entrance , on the north side of Commerce Street , Just east of the 
garage entrance. 

KALL estimated that they parked in the garage entrance 
at about lljOO A.M. on November 24, 1S63 . FLEI-IING got out of the 
passenger side of the truck and entered the garage to talk v/ith 
Chief BATCHELOR and other police officials. Ei^JLL was not told 
when OSWALD was to be placed in the truck or any other arrange- 
ments which had been planned for his transportation at that tiirie. 

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H?_LL Sciid that st no time was he tcld that the truck 
v;oi::.1g jOvi ujec as a Cccoy, and another autc:T;Cbile used for ths 
3.czxi.c!.l transpor-cation of OSWALD^ and hs dad not hear this re- 
port until at least two week^ after the ehootinc- of OSV'i?.ZJD. 

Shortly after he parked the truck ir. the garage 
er.trar.ce, a police of fleer, whose ider.tity Z^flL r.^ver knev/, got 
into the passenger side of the "cruckj ar.T.ec v/ith a shotgun. 
T:\.;l-: -T-oliceiin^n told ZZALL they \jz\i1q, 1>:;„vc thcj ga-„ge ^ turn Iwf w 
onto Cor:ut\erce Street, go in an easterly direction on Cc.T~.erca 
to Central Expreesv.'ay , north on Central E>:prc5sway one block to 
Main Stree'c , and then proceed weet on 1-lain to the Court Zouee. 

EALL said he recalls that ^IEI'IIIn'G and the patrclr.'ian 
with the shotgun v.'ere the only perscno to enter or leave 'cl.ie 
garagc-j through the Coriiimerce Street entrance while his truck 
was parked there. He also ;:aid he kept his motor running all 
the -time he was parked ther^,. 'Ze said the patrolman did no-c 
mention any specific time as to when OSWALD and his guard v/ould 
enter t?ie truck. 

Ai/Out twenty minutes after he parked ■;;he truck in th^^ 
garage entrance he heard a shot , v-^nd someone yelled thau G3V:ALD 
had been shot, rie remained in place, howtsver , until eomeone 
ai:ked him to move his truck out of the garage entrance . By 
this time , an ambulance had entered 'cclQ j>la.in Street side of the 
g;=^rage to pick up OSWALD » EALL v/as unable to immediately drive 
the 'cruck from the garage because parked iromsdiately in front o: 
the truc}c wa^ a poiace car , He yelled to the driver of uhe 
police car to move it , and \-fnc.^ this v/as done he pulled t:he 
truck acrv")i.s the street ■"..here he paa'ked it on the south side of 
Ccmcierce Street , until he %«7S3 told by Chief 3A"CHELG1\. th.£t f.ie 
cruek would no longer be needed , at v/hich time he z.r.d FLE;-rii?G , 
accom.panied by GOIl:? Si'nd DILvRICZ in the other truck, returned 
to their parking lot. 

1-1\LL estim.ated that not ir.ore than two minutes could 
h:^ve elapsed from the tirae of the shooting until he actua— y 
_. ^lled out of the garage entrance . 

Hall (Marvin) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



60 



liALL said he had iievcr met or Iviioxcn either LEE iLA?v.VEY 
:sv.'.-.: - or JACK RlTiiY/ and that he did not see either of thorn on 
s'.'-VoLTCesr 24, 19o3 y and does not recall having Gvcr seen either 
rl therr.. 

He eaid he did net enter in-co any discussions v/ith 
-"Y police; cfricials about 'cho arrangements , other than the 
i.n;;-cructions he received from the patrolman with the .-hotgun 
jno got into the tifud^ with hiin. 

Hall (Marvin) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



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GARNETT CLAUD ; HALLMARK, advised he is the manager ;P^.::i^v;,,|^ 

of the Allright Parking, 701 Wilson Building, Dallas', .- :'*ii2'i.^ -^ 

Texas, telephone nlumber RI 8-5943. 

HALLMARK said he recalled an incident which had 
been referred to by THOMAS RAYMOND BROWN, when BROWN was 
interviewed by the FBI concerning some phone calls which were 
made by JACK RUBY on November 23, 1963, from Nichols Brothers 
Parking Garage at 1320 Commerce, Dallas, Texas. 

HALLMARK said he was at the above garage during the ,(« ''^ 
afternoon of November 23, 1963, and he recalled that at ^^ [ 
about 2:50 p.m., JACK RUBY drove into the garage in RUBY's f V 'J 
1960 white Oldsmobile. He said RUBY ask^d permission to use the^^ /, 
telephone and said, "CLAUD, I am acting like a reporter." ^? ^j 

While dialing a number, RUBY asked, "Is the Colony 
Club going to be open today?" (November 23, 1963). HALLMARK 
said he replied, "I do not know." RUBY then said they would not ** ^ 
have the nerve to open after they have seen his ad. • >V{ 

HALLMARK said RUBY then got his number and in his :'^^^ 
conversation with some party, unknown to HALLMARK, RUBY 
said, "Hell, well my places the Carousel and Vegas will be 
closed." 

HALLMARK said RUBY dialed a second number and asked 
for a reporter whose name was "WES WISE." RUBY determined this- 
person was not in and remarked j "oh, this is Ken." Then 
RUBY related to KEN that his places would be closed and his 
conversation switched to some remarks concerning the trans- 
fer of OSWALD. 

m*. HALLMARK said he got the impression that OSWALD'S 
transfer wa^ to take place that afternoon, Saturday, 
November 23; 1963. He said that RUBY told KEN, "they have 
started strewing the flowers at the scene of the assassination »'* 



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md possibly the transfer (possibly OSWALD' s), will be 
iclayed. HALLMARK said he did not know what KEN told 
^UBY, but JACK RUBY madq a remark during the conversation,'; ,: 
'You know I'll be there." RUBY then ended his telephone 
;onver8atlon and told HALLMARK thanks for the the use 
>f phone and asked for change/^or. a $10.00 bill* 

HALLMARK saic^ RUBY walked East on Consqerce and 
returned about two minutes later and stood in front of the . 
"Tichols Bros, office at 1320 Commerce where he acted as li? 
le wanted to talk^ but did not say anything. JPlnally, he 
did say, "I'll see you Claud." then RUBY got Into the car and 
drove East on Coranerce, Mr. HALLMARK said this occurred 
It 3:05 p.m. and he was sure about the tine because he bad 
a schedule that would require him to leave at 3il5 p.m* 
to go to 1920 Elm. 

I HALLMARK said that during this time THO^IAS RAYMOND 
BROWN, his employee, was in and out of the office while 
RUBY was making his telephone calls. He said that Y\e 
believed BROWN went out for coffee while he and RUBY were 
talking and BROWN had to go in and put of the office to 
give customers their parking ticket, 

' HALLMARK related that he had known JACK RUBY for 
over three years and has had many business dealings with bin, 
because customers In RUBY' s clubs parked in the Nichols 
Bros. Garage and for sometime RUBY had a contiract to pay 
the parking fees when his oust;oiqer8 used the packing 
facilities. 

HALLMAKI^ said he wQuld ponsider RUBY "rather a pre* 
occupied person, vho was very Intent." He said RUBY wae either 
!!£or or against you," lie produce^ a let;te;r wlilch be ^as received 



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from RUBY since RUBY has been Incarcerated at Dallas, 
Texas, which he said the FBI might use for any purpose 
It might service In any Investigation they are conducttlng* . 
He requested that this letter be returned to him when the 
FBI completed the use of it. 

This letter is described as follows: 

It was postmarked 4:30 p.m., December 8, 19^^$ at 
Dallas, Texas, and addressed to "Claudb^^ % Allrigl^t 
Parking, 1320 Commerce, Dallas. Manager/' 

It contains the following note written on two 
pieces o£ blank white paper, approximately Ah6 inches i 

-• "County Jail 

12/7/63 

;' . "Dear Claude 

ir "I can just feel you are for me, and want yo^ 
.. ; , all to know that I think of you often. T^X% 
. Ben, that even though he is In bad shape 
physically, look Qt me I'm In good shApe^ but; 
what good is that going to do me now. 

"Say hello to Mac, and all the boys, 

"Sincerely - 



/s/ Jack Ruby" 

Mr. HALLMARK said he has not discussed (he telephone 
conversation with anyone except THOMAS BROWN, his employee, who 
was present when RUBY came in po use the phone on Noyeip^er 23, 



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]i63. He said he did not. know cf any possible connection 

r relationship between OSWAJw.D and RUBY and said RUBY 

td never mentioned the name "Oswald" to him at any time. 

Ji stated that RUBY never mentioned OSWALD'S name 

cen when he remarked to the person he called on the phone 

tiat it was terrible that the. President had been killed. 

He said he never saw RUBY mistreat anyone in 
ether of his clubs c He said hf? had visited the Vegas 
(,ub once or twice in late 1936 or early 1957 and had also 
l;en in the Carousel Club about fottr or five times since 
tjat time and he then went with friends or acquaintances 
no visited the club out of "curiosity". 

I Mr. HAL1,MARK said he did not know any of RUBY's 

<lose frieds or associates. He said he recalled RUBY .'■■■■'■i>.'- 

us apparently frieotly with the Master of Ceremonies, 

nc ^f;-^::-. at his clubs. He said the Master of Ceremonies 

lime was WAILY WESTON., He said he also knows one other 

otertainer by name and she is KATHY KAY, who came from 

ligland, 

HA1,LMARK said he feels sure RUBY was hard to 
iDrk for because he dejnanded perfection and was strict 
:i his operation of the clubs. He said he seriously 
hlieved that RITBY would never allow the entertainers 

D solicit dates in the clubs. He said RUBY once told him 
\i would not "mess" with thp. girls himself. Mr. HAIXMARK 
dvised he recalled sorife waittesse'^ whose identity he 
id not know were fired when they reported to work at 

r»e clubs vhile 'jinder the influence of alcohol and he 

l?ard from an u?^xecalled source that so.3«)2 of RUBY"s ensployees 

Lairaed RQBY beat th^m out of their pay. 

HALLMARK could not identify any of these persons 
f name. He advised he has witnessed RUBY when he called patron!/: 



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DL, A4"i639 

dovm for ue.-Cng vw1l^,-?r ot r>oiar.S! language, but he never 
saw him fight or atXAc^ aryor'E. 

HALIMARR" safri tppl R'JbX h*id discussed the fact with h 
about a year ggo (fhat son«9 of >^,is fe^rx/lcyees who were fired 
might give him srrme troub.Ve-^ so ' hsd obtained a pistol, Mr. 
HALLMARK said h^ r^ei^^r «?nu» tiki's ►•rm, but RUBY had* told him if 
he ever needed s. g«.m he var v^'lcoir^ to use the gvm he had. 

HAT.-LMAR^ ev,«/Tvu*=d 5 f-bclD ot OSWALD which was 
nuade at New OrU.^Ti^s. Lo«'.lslg:>a. and tcrs xiumber 112723 and 
which was d^ted Atigust ^^ , 196'^ .. and said he did not 
know anyon^e resf'TribIii7j2, tb^. rho'LfH as ever havivig been in 
either of PJJBY's clubs. He j^atd of course since the 
assassltiatiort of, the P)f sJd^rit, te has seea this person on TV 
and in the newspaj/f-J:?, 

HALLMARK idevt r-ie6 "Bt^N" as BEN AUSTIN, the :» 

iTjanageT of the Nichols Garag'^ and "MAC" as MAC JONES :i a 
colored parWlng attendant £ibo\it 60 years elds who works at 
the Nichols Bros. Garag«=!;. ir is noted that the above names 
v;ere mentioned in the. J fitter which Mr^ HALLMARK received frca 
JACK RUBY and which W9s f.urriisL*?d the Dallas Office* 



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F.302 (R.v.3.3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

r>«t» December 3, 1963 



L 

ROBERT LEONARD HANKAL, Floor Director, Production 
Xpartment, Radio and TV Station KRLD, Herald Square, Dallas, 
Dyxcs, rumlshed the following Information: 

Ke resides at '4233 Travis Street, Apartment 2l4, 
Dallas, Texas, home telephone number LA 8-143^ He was first 
assigned to handle the television coverage at -the City' Hall 
In Dallas, Texas, on November 23, 1963. His duties as 
rioor director are to insixre that the cameramen for the TV 
station are set up in good positions and that there are no 
obstructions during filming. His memory of the events on 
l^ovember 23 and 24, I963, is hazy but as he recalled the 
jamera crew for KRLD included Cameraman GENE PASCZALEK, his 
assistant BEN MOLINA, and himself. They initially were set 
lip on the third floor near the Homicide Bureau and on Saturday 
afternoon, oransf erred to the basement of the police headquarters, 
where JAMES ENGLISH took over as cameraman. Mr. LEIGH WEBB 
Mias the director in charge and he gave the assignments. > 

r^ 

On November 24, I963, he was called and told to 
rc.vort to wprk at 7:00 a.m. He reported to Mr. WEBB who 
was located at the KRLD sound truck which was parked on 
Commerce Street outside of the police headquarters . As 
Identification he' had been furnished a letter written by 
yir.'- EDDIE BARKER, one of the executives at KRLD on the 
letterhead stationery of the station. , This letter identified 
him as a member of the camera crew. WEBB told him he should 
report to the basement where the camera was located and he 
entered the city hall through the Commerce Street entrance. As 
he passed the information desk in the lobby a police officer 
told him to be sure he had identification if- he were going 
to t.-.e basement. At that time he had the letter identifying 
him in his hand. He then took the elevator downstairs and 
left 'ohe elevator with the letter still in his. hand. As 
beet ho could recall he did not have to show the letter to a 
reserve police officer standing outside of the elevator and 
he therefore assumed that the officer had taken for granted 
that the paper in his hand was his lde;ntification. He then 
went to the camera which was located near the elevator bank 
in the baser:ent and assisted in moving the camera to the 
.T.ain bi-cement area. The camera was eventually placed on 
the floor of the garage with the lens protruding between 
tv.'o iron rails and facing directly X^—^'^g- hal.1 wn.v_j_<??t rij_npi_ 



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Ex.N0.5337 HANKAL,R.L. Deposition_ 
Dallas 4-17-64 

12/3/63 Dallas, Texas _., j, x/axj-aa nn-io^jy 
c\ ■ — — — — ril» ff — 



R. NEIL QUIGLEY Sc 
S?..;c! Acont S JOHN E. DALLI/IAN:BL Daf dictated 12/3/63 

la docua«c; contains n«ith»r r*comiii*ndatlona nor concHaalons o( tha FBI. It ta tha proparty o( tha FBI and la loanad to 

K* f41«lrlhul«<i oulaLla Vour Oaancv. 

Hankal Exhibit No. 5337 



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2 

from the jail booking desk to the* garage. He stayed in that 
location until LEE liARVEY OSWALD was brought downstairs with 
the exception of a trip he made to the mens' room. He made 
sure that he took a police officer with him to the mens* 
room so that he would have no difficulty in returning to 
the canera location. He positioned himself on the ramp 
side o- the rai'.ing in front of the camera and all the 
necessary,'' lighting and other arrangements were finished 
about 10:00 a.m. His primary concern was to see to it that no 
people obstructed the view of the camera. He liad no advance 
knowledge as to how the prisoner would be transported from the: 
city jail. 

A short time later he heard someone say, "He's 
coming," and considerable shuffling began. He noted that 
a number of officers locked arms in front of the camera 
and one of them stepped aside at his request. Either 
immediately before or after the above incident he recalled 
that a Dallas police car had driven from the garage basement 
up the 2'Iain Street ramp. He paid very little attention 
to this and a few moments after that the door opened at the 
jail office and OSWALD appeared in the custody of police 
officers. He took a quick look at OSWALD cut of curiousity 
and before he knew it a scuffle began and he 'heard what he 
thought was either a backfire or gunshot. His first reaction 
was that OSV/ALD had grabbed a police officer's gun. He 
also recalled seeing a man's back directly in front of him 
obstructing his view of OSWALD and seemed to recall that 
immediately preceding that he had observed a blur of movement 
out of the comer of his eye. It seemed that the individual 
who he later learned was RUBY' was to his right and 8-12 feet 
..•.-;ay. He heard no shouGs of any particular significance to 
this and could recall no remarks of any significance during 
the bedlam that occurred after the shooting. - During most 
of this he was busily preoccupied with moving people aside 
In order to give the camera clear shots of OSWALD'S apJpearance 

Relating to Saturday, November 23/ 1963, he saw LEE 
PIARVEY OSV/ALD briefly cs he was being taken to the Jail offlcei 
His memory concerning these events , is hazy but he also recalle 
Meeting as floor director in the assembly room v;hen a statement 
was mad.- by the Chief of Police. He did not recall seeing 
JACK RUBY at any time prior to the shooting of OSWALD In any 
of these Vw.i.-'^oua locations, 

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Hankal Exhibit No. 5337 — Continued 



74 



44-l§39 



Ke knew of no one who £;alned access to the basement 
> the police department on Novenber 24, 1963;. without showing 
.^ntiricatlon other than himself. He did rot feel that he 
li actually identified himself inasmuch as he was merely 
; Trying a' letter in his hand and nobody actually asked to 
'.,c^ cl^q contents of the letter. 'He assuned, however, that he 
li bcar^ rv^cosnized as being a part of the i<ilLD camera crew 
) the Qfficers on duty Inasmuch as he was In the police 
lation on Saturday. '•'; 

He estimated that there were between 40 and 60 
::bers|of the press and other news media in the basement . 
) the police department on November 24, 19^3. 

I-Ia had never seen JACK RUBY prior to the shooting 
) OSVJALD and had heard nobhing concerning Mm in regard' 
; his background, personal 'life or political convictions. 
: had r,pVv2r heard or seen LEE KARVEY OSWALD before November 22, 
.53. : 

I The only other member of the press or news media 
vet ho per::;or^lly knew was present in the police station, 
►her th^n those previously mentioned, was GEORGE PHOENIX 
'om th(a KRLD News Department. 



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75 




Hankal Exhibit No. 5338 



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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



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Date 



December 11, 1963 



TIMO^yf M. HAMSFl; 
;1 i.r.if> Department, Dallas, 
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Pat-rolwAH, Traffic Bureau, 
furr.ishsd the following 



Ha is comnonly kj.ovm as "CATFISH" HANSEN. He resides 
i- l"i07 Moore Terrace, Arllr.gtcn., Texas, Ha has no residence 
phone. He Joined the Dallas Police Dspartment In 19^8 and 
has been a patroinan In ths Traffic Buraau since that tine. • • 
He first met JACK RUBY wh*n he was working in District #41 
about 11-12 years ago. That district covers one of the 
roughest sections in Dallas and included in it was RUBY's 
Silver Spur Club. Ther« ars a. lot of tavern brawls in the 
district and as h« rsc*lls h« first saafc R03Y when he was 
assigned to ch-sck on a brawl at ths club. Hs also recalled 
that one night he we^it to RUBY's Club on a call and it 
was determined that an individual had bitten RUBY's finger 
so badly during a fight tliat part of it had to be amputated. 
He did not know th« identity of this individual. 

During the last four yaars or so he has socially 
visited RUBY'S Carousal Club but has never been there on an 
asslgnnent while on duty. H« Yaq K«v«r been to RUBY's 
Vegas Club. 

The only thing that ha knows about RUBY's backgrovmd 
is that he was raised in a sIuk area of either Chicago or 
New York City. RUBY told hln that he had to scrap for a 
living when he was a young boy biit he could recall nothing 
else concerning RIBY's background. During the last 8 years 
he has directed traffic at th« Intersection of Main and 
Akard Streets In dowr.town Dallas, Ks would see JACK RUBY 
a number of tl?!.e:a during th« w«ek, Just as he would see 
many other dowi^town buEln«£?snen. R^'BY was alv;ays friendly 
to hln and often chatted with him briefly on these occasions. 
He is not a social friend of RUBY and has never had any dealings 
cr conversations with him other than when he was on duty or 
the few times he visited RUBY's club. RTJEY was always nice 
to him on these occaslo2:is. K* described RUBY as being very i 
big hearted and has seen hlo give -monfty to needy people on \ 
the streets of Dsllas on a nonb'^r of occasions. He also ' 
has heard that RUBY has been v«ry liberal with some of the 
girls who work for him and when they wftre sick would send 
them flowers and money. Hs felt that RXJBY liked policemen 



12A1/63 



by Special Agent 



Dallas, Texas 



1/ 



JOHN E. DALLMANiBL 



File /[( Dallas 44-1639 

Date dictated 12A1/63 



Thli doeunanl contains nclthsf r«commandatlons nor conclualons ol lh« FBI. II l« tho proporlr o« Iho TBI ond U loanod lo 
roat a«>H«y( tl SHD itk i-omknu or* not lo bo duitlboud eutaldo f otir a««neti i 



Hansen Exhibit No. 1 



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2 

Ir. general and he was very surpriaed to learra that RUBY had 
placed his (HANSEN) R&iiie on the visitor's list at the county 
Jail. 

He considered R^JEY to be a thoroughly emotional 
Individual and recalled that oss ore occasion at the Silver 
Spur Club RUBY hit a aara who Kid* a derogatory remark 
concerning his ethiic baclzgyouTii. 

He also stated that EUBY v;*lb always respectful 
towards hla and always r*fftrrsd to him as HANSEN and not 
by his nidcname "CAIFISH." ^he orly favor that RTJBY ever 
did for him was to occasionally buy hiia a cup of coffee. 
He also r?;c.!iilad thait ok vlsltiz^ig th<s Carous«l Club one 
night, R"JBY would not l®t hlR jay for the a^Kt-ups but 
this only anounted to about 70^ worth of Ic® and mix. 

He recalled that while statloKSd at the Main and 
Akard intersection about 4 E»o:itha 'igo^ RliBY conversed with 
him briefly cowceraing Pr&eii!S-K:t JOI-2^' F. KENNEDY, RUBY 
told him that he felt KEbUIIfl h«.d doKe mamy -feSlirjgs for the 
Anerican people. H® stated that in the past R'OBY also told 
him that he cor„sid«r©d FBAri'iCLIH D. HOCSEv'ELT to be one of 
the greatest men of all tlaes, KUBI never told him if he 
was a Republican or Dercocrftt tnd he did not feel that RUBY'S 
feelings concernirg ¥E^Z:?EDY or ROOSEVELT had any connection with 
RUBY'S political beli«}';?o but wsr® asore out of admiration for 
them as men. He also r-»&dilled thAt after ADLAI STEVENSON 
visited Dallas, RUBY mftntlcaed t< him that the people should 
have been more respectful to £TEni!30>i regardless of whether 
or not they liked him. 

He knows v®ry little cosics.rr.ir.g RllBY's personal 
life and although he has hear-d nmovB that RUBY was a homosexual 
he never believed them. He oar.aot recall who he heard these 
ru5:ors from but he had n»v®r had any r^s.son to believe it 
hiKself . R^JBY str-^ick hira as belLig a v«?ry manly Individual 
A.rsd was particularly Imprassed by his good physical condition 
for a man of his age. 

He stated he knows -SJSORaE SES«ATOH who allegedly 
lived with RUBY at cne time but he had no personal knowledge 
of this. He first met SEJ-IATOR near the intersection of Akard 
and Main Streets while SENATOR was coKiducting business. A-&^ 

Hansen Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



78 



DL 4i;-l639 
3 

he recallfld SENATOR drovs a Volksw'gsn truck and was in some 
t«7pe of novelty business. -ni'it Wis th« only knowledge he 
had of SENATOR and the or.ly plsce he h&s ever seen him. 

He has never wor-ksd for R^JBY although RUBY at one 
tine suggested thit h« Eight Ilk* to work as a bouncer at 
the Silver Spur Club. This w»3 i'ot «r: ur.usual request because 
of the rough neighborhood the club was in and the number of 
disturbance calls that were m'vde to tha club. He stated 
he told RUBY he could not work there and the main reason 
he turned RUBY down was bftcaus* h« krew so little concerning 
his background. He lcn;ows of r.o Dill^<police officer that 
at any time worked for KLTBY. H's kr.ew of no officer fron 
the Dallas Folic® Dep&rfc««r;t vjho is a particular friend 
of RUBY. He stated that probably ev®r-y officer who 
worked a downtown corner would k^iow RlsBY as well as he does. 

He stated it en's? *s a coaplete surprise when he heard 
RUBY had shot LEE HARVEf OSWALD. H« never personally knew 
RUBY to carry a gun but because of the business RUBY was In 
he 'would be a fool not to. 

On Friday^, No/"£lsr 22^ 1963^ he worked the intersection 
of Main and Akard fron lOsOO a.K. usstll 6;00 p.m. On Saturday 
November 23, 1963* he w-^s off dut-y Jind worked at his part-time 
job at the H. L, Green Compariy^ 1623.;- Eln Street^ Dallas. 
He spent all of Sunday, NovS'Bb'sr 24, 1963, at his residence. 
He had no knowledge of ^he sacurlty precautions taken at 
the Dallas Police Head':jufv.rt*rs durl;i!g the weekend of 
November 24, 1963, 

As best he could r*::-tll the i&st tine he saw JACK 
PUBY was on November 22, 1963^ b&twe.'^n 9s00 and 9°30 a.m. 
H« was entering the City EsjI Bulldlrg from the Harwood 
Street entrance^„ and RUBY wss st«,:r?dir.g on the north side 
of the entrance directly tc *h's s.1d» of the st?iirw5y which 
leads to the basement , He s^id th«r* w«re four or five 
individuals standing with RUBlf but he cculd not recall 
their identity and at this time was not certain whether 
or not they were police officers. H« felt thAt the crowd 
was apparently gathering at that time in anticipation 
of the fact that President KENNEDY would be driving through 
the downtown section of Dallas lat«r la the Bomlng. As he 

Hansen Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



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4 



walked by RUBY he shook his hiAnd and sAld good morning but 
did not engage in conversation with him. He has not seen 
or heard from, him sir^ce thit time and has made no effort 
to get in touch with hin, h> c.^r.»:ot understand why RUBY 
would have his nime on the vislti:',.K; list at the county 
Jail unless it was because hs h«d k,r.CT.vn 'ilm for so long and 
s^w hlDi 30 often ir. the dov?rtowx: area. At this time, he 
roald think of nothing further oonoeming RUEY's person 
life^, background, or political convict ions . 

He had r.aver hesrii of LJIE Fi.RT5"„* OSWALD prior 
vo the assassinatipn of Pres :i.*i.t I-rsrtrf'I'if^ . If OSWALD had 
had frequented the down.towi': ^.r*-?. h* felt he would possibly 
have recognized hii» from the rhotographa he has seen but 
he does not recall such an Individual. Ke knows of no 
connection betvfeen OSWALD and RL'BY. 



Hansen Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



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Hansen Exhibit No. 2 



80 



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Dallas 3-31-64 



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Dallas 3-31-64 



Hardin Exhibit No. 5125 



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^ ONEAL, Inc. 

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AMBULANCE SERVICE— OXYGEN SERVICE 

3206 OAK LAWN AVENUE — DALLAS 



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«d I (wo) prooiiia to poy lo Ih. ord«r of ONEAL. INC. Ih» lum Indicoted above, (an doyi fio 
r malwrilir, thoM bo olocod in fho hondt of on oHornoy for coHoction or ^f luit b« brought hor« 
>n oer»*d oMorn«y'i fM not l«tt Ihofi 1S% of tKu amovr<t owing, gnd In no ov 
• ihor placed with on otlornoy or not. Th« moltor heioby agreoi to rolooi* th* <.• 
>pon»lbl« for the lot* of portonol offacli due lo 6re, or foUiilon. Th* company aiiumei no 
failwr* of any of Iti «qulpm«nl. 



Hardin ,M. 

Dallas 



Deposition" 
3-31-64 



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int.byitY Icr poiiibi Jill •«•<!> due lo the mechonl- 






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=■0-302 (ROV.3-3-SS) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTiC iON 

// \ (/^ Data ^Gcerxier 6, 1953 .' 

(1) 



/■/ \ 0^ ' Dato ^<2ceri)er 6, 1953 J 



VJILLIAM JOSEPH HARRISON, 9223 Donny Brook, Dallas, Texas, was advised 
he did not have to make any statement, any statement he made could be used 
against him in a court of law, he had a right to talk to an attorney, and of 
the identities of SAs EDMOND C. HARDIN and ROBERT J. WILKISON. 

HARRISON advised as follows: 

He is employed as Patrolman by the Dallas, Texas, Police Department, 
end is currently assigned as Detective in the Juvenile Division, Criminal 
Investigation Division, Police Headquarters. 

On November 2*+, 1953, he worked the 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. shift and was 
on duty in the .Juvenile Division, Third Floor of the Police Station, on a 
standby basis. About 11 a.m. he want to the locker room and on his return 
' observed the other detectives in the Juvenile Division going to the basement. 
They told him to coma too. This was approximately 11 a.m. or shortly thereafter. 

Upon arrival in the basement the officers stood around in the corridor 
Voutside the jail office awaiting instructions. After a few minutes one of the 
police officers, whose name he does not recall, instructed them to have all 
the press and television representatives move to along the east wall area of 
the basement ramp. They did so. 

He doesn't know how many press and television representatives were 
in the basement, but there was quite a large. crowd. He didn't see anyone 
other than police officers, press or .television representatives in the basement 

area. \ 

He has known JACK RUBY as a Dallas night club operator for several 
years in connection with his employment .as a police officer, but never had 
any personal associations with RUBY. -^'-x 

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Prior to the time that LEE HARVEY OSWALD was brought dovm to the 
bscemcnt, HARRISON looked at the crowd in attendance but did not see anyone 
suspicious. He did not see JACK RUBY, He was stationed in the basement ramp 
area at least six or seven minutes prior to the time OSWALD was escorted into 
that area. 

There was an armored car at the Commerce Street entrance to the 
i basement ramp and there were two plain unmarked police cars inside the ramp 
which wore behind the armored car. 



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12/5/63 „, Dallas. Texas Pjl^ ^ DL 44-1639 

bSpocicI Agont s ROBERT J, WILKISON and Dato dictctod ^2/6/63 

EDMOND C, HARDIN ;bnm 



Tj document contain* nalther racommandatlons nor conclusions o( thEX,NO,5029 HARRISON , Wm , J . DepOSltiOH 

Vr aqancYs It and Its contanla ara not to ba dUtributad oulalda your •"" Dallas 3-25—6/+ ""^ 

Harrison Exhibit No. 5029 




83 



(2) 

He was stationed in the center of the ramp in the area where the 
corridor leading from the jail office meets the ramp. Other officers were 
along the west side of the rampo The press and television representatives 
were on the east wall of the ramp facing the corridor through which OSWALD 
would pass while being transferred from the City Jail to the vehicle used 
to transport him. At about that time one or two police cars went out the 
Main Street exit. He believes Lieutenant PIERCE was in one of the cars. 
This was about three or four minutes prior to the time OSWALD was escorted 
out of the jail* office. 

He said Captain FRITZ came out of the jail office and asked an 
officer, identity not recalled by HARRISON, if everything was O.K. and 
received an affirmative answer. 

Immediately thereafter OSWALD was escorted out of the jail office 
door by Detectives GRAVES and LEAVELLE, one of whom was on either side of 
OSWALD. They walked down the- short corridor towards the ramp and the 
officers who had been stationed along the corridor filled in behind them. 

As OSWALD and the officers walked down the corridor towards the 
ra:r.p, someone in the group of press representatives called for' HARRISON 
and some officers near him to move back. He glanced back over his left 
shoulder to the crowd behind him, but didn't see anything suspicious and 
did not see JACK RUBY in the crowd. One or two of the officers near him 
shifted t;heir positions a little, 
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;.<.■*'. ,. ^^x-rciiiQ OSWALD was being escorted down the corridor, OSWALD glanced 
at the crowd behind HARRISON and on HARRISON'S left side. 

At about that same instant a man whom HARRISON later recognized ast 
JACK RUBY ran past his left side in a crouched-over position, RUBY was about 
one-half step ahead of him when he first saw RUBY, He observed that RUBY 
had a gun in his right hand and was extending his right hand in OSWALD'S 
direction. RUBY was moving directly towards OSWALD, OSV/ALD was only about 
six feet from HARRISON at the time that RUBY passed by him and RUBY had only 
about one step to go to reach OSWALD. 

At about the same instant that he saw the gun in RUBY's hand he 
recognized RUBY and immediately started to move towards RUBY, The gun was 
fired by RUBY almost instantly. At. the time the gun went off, HARRISON had 
his right hand on RUBY's right forearm and was trying to stop RUBY from firiii 
the gun. As HARRISON followed through on his rush toward RUBY, he forced 
RUBY to the floor. At that same time several other officers also grabbed 



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He said Detective GRAVES took the gun out of RUBY's right 

HARRISON'S attention was centered on RUBY and in trying to get the 
,71 away from RUBY 9 he didn't see what happened to OSWALD. HARRISON and the 
ther officers took RUBY back into the jail office and handcuffed him. At 
hat-tiire RUB'^}^^d<>^ou all know me. I am JACK RUBY." RUBY made that statement 

^i^Ssjfi.^ !itM^ter they had taken RUBY back into the jail office, some of 
h& other officers brought OSWALD into the jail office. While in the jail 
ffice an officer, whose name he does not recall, asked RUBY why he had shot 
3WALD and RUBY replied "I hope I killed the S.O.B." HARRISON, Captain KING, 
id another officer took RUBY upstairs to the fifth floor. 

HARRISON and officers L. D. MONTGOMERY, L. D. MILLER, and DON ARCHER 
are the officers who had handcuffed RUBY. 

HARRISON'S attention, while in the jail office, was centered on 
JEY and he didn't have anything to do with OSWALD. However, he recalled 
lat when he observed OSWALD in the jail office, he noticed that OSWALD had 
sen shot and appeared to be unconscious. 

After arrival on the fifth floor he left RUBY and the other officers 
id had no further contact with RUBY. He did not hear RUBY make any other 
:atements, other than as previously related. 

At the time RUBY was subdued and made the above-quoted remark in the 
ill office about killing OSWALD, RUBY was perfectly calm. At no time while 
1 HARRISON'S presence did RUBY appear to be emotionally excited or upset, 

HARRISON never worked for RUBY or at any of RUBY's night cl\;ibs. 
i never heard of any police officers who ever worked for RUBY. He said 
>lice officers are prohibited from working off-duty at establishments where 
.coholic beverages are served. 

HARRISON was not familiar with the security measures in the police 
lation November 24 g 1953. However, he did observe that officers were 
;anding at the entrance to the basement ramp area. 

He did not know of any unauthorized person permitted to enter the 
isement or of anyone permitted to enter without showing identification, 
did not have any occasion to require anyone to identify themselves. 






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Harrison Exhibit No. 0029 — Continued 



85 



111 

He did not see RUBY or talk to RUBY between November 22 and November 2U. 
1963, until he observed RUBY a second or so before RUBY shot OSWALD on 
November 2^^ 1963. 

HARRISON had no information concerning any relationship between 
OSWALD and RUBY. He did not know OSWALD. 

HARRISON had no other pertinent information concerning this case. 



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Harbison Exhibit No. 5029 — Continued 



86 



DL k-r-1639 

"November 24, 1963 

"Mr. J. E. Curry 
Chief or Police 

"Subject: Shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald 

"Sir: 

"I v;^ 3 standing about half-way between the West w^ll of 
the driveway and the rail. As the detectives brought 
the prisoner out. Jack Ruby came by me from my left side 
with the gun In his hand. As he came by me the gun was 
about a foot from me in Jack's right hand. As he shot. I 
made a move to get him and went to the floor with 
him £3 there were about six (6) of us on him at one time. I 
tried to grab the hand that held the pistol and the pistol 
wa- knocked. out of Jack's hand after we v/ere on the floor. 
I remember Detectives Cutchshaw and Lowery being on him 
as v;ell as other officers. X could not say where he ■ 
(jack) came from. All I know Is that he came from the 
:!;ear.and left of us. . • ' . 



"Ai'-ier we took h_a in the Jail Office and was putting the 
han.-^uffs on him, he (Jack) said, "I hope I killed the S.O.B." 
That Is all he said until I left him on the fifth floor " 
Jail with some of the detectives. 

"Respectfully submitted. 



/s/ W. J, Harrison . 

Patrolman, ID# 579 

Juvenile Bureau 

Criminal Inyestlgatlon Division" 



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Harrison Exhibit No. 5030 



87 



FD.J02 (Hot. 3-3-49) 



FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



M. J. HARRISON, 9223 Donnybrook, Dall:::s, Te::as, 
Juvenile Bureau, Dallas Police Departncnt, advised that on 
November 24, 1963, he was assigned to the Security Detail , 
in the basement area of the Dallas City /'-.ll Building in 
preparation of the transportation of LSZ ' uA^^IjY OSWALD 
to the Dallas County Jail. E.^.Rr.ISON advised that during 
the pertinent period he v/as standing eight to ton feet to 
the left of Lieutenant R. E. S^AIIJ, JR. and was helping to 
hold the nev/3 media back on the north side of the ranp. 
As Boon as LZ3 Ii.1?.'/ZY CSV/ALD v/as brought to the edge of 
tho ran^p, JACX LECIT RUBY ran from the crowd of nov/s media 
to the left of KARRISON and shot OSV/ALD. HARRISOlf stated 
that he dived for RUBY and tried to knock tho gun from his 
hand but was too late. HARRISON stated that Rj3Y nade the 
remark at_the-_-tine, ."I hoj2 I killed the SOB^nd caviid a /p . 
lot of p©opre"'s6mQ trouble^ -^ filc> vipi ^t~C(uc>Xj y<x.<>u>L.'^i f^^i^i 



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60 - 80 news media in tho ramp entrance and drive' area at- 
tho time of the shooting. 






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•D-302 (R.T.3.3-J9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



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A. D. HODGE, owner of Buckhorn Bar and Trading Post, i;), -^ 
217-19 South Ervay, residence 6573 Senwood, Dallas, Te::as, V 
stated that he has known JACK LEON RUBY for over 20 years, vo^^ 

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the same date of the assassination of President KENNEDY, he 
had been talking to some officers in the Dallas Police 
Department at their request concerning the assassination r^ -si 
weapon, since he is somewhat of a gun collector in the >^ n, 
Buckhorn Trading Post, and the Dallas Police Department ^^ 
wanted him to check all of his records concerning the sale 
of the assassination weapon to OSWALD. 

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wished to mention is that as he was going down on tho elevator 
in the Dallas Police Department, City Hall, the elevator stopped 
either on the second or third floor, and JACK LEON RUBY got on. 
He stated that RUBY immediately shook hands with him and asked 
"Have they arrested you, HODGE?" HODGE stated he took this as 
a Joke, that both laughed, and nothing further was said about it. 
He did not ask RUBY why he was there, nor did RUBY volunteer, 
but he thought RUBY \>&s merely there as he was, attempting to 
assist the Dallas Police Department. 

HODGE reiterated' that he had no information concerning 
any connections between RUBY and OSWALD. 



A. D. Hodge Exhibit 1 



11/24/63 «t Dallas. Texas Pil, i(^ Dallas 44-1639 

JAMES W. ANDERTON 



i Special Afl.nt S and EDMOND C. HARDIN/sl ^ 1' S* Oot. dictated 11/24/63 



' • docunaol contain* n«Mh«r raeemmcDdationa nor conclualona r- oi. ■)<• proparty d( Ih* FBI and la loaned Xc 

Ir as.ney; II and tia aaatat^J^l^ira' nal 'a^Oa dtairibut.rf eui.M. ; ,ancy. 

Hodge Exhibit No. 1 



159 













Holland Exhibit A 



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160 




161 




Holland Exhibit C 



162 



U 



VOLUNTAR.V STATEMENT. Not Vadtt Amtt. Pona No. 30 



(£^ 



Dcforo roc. tho undcrcJsncd authority, on thU tho _2il d .y of . ^Tpy'"!^""^?! A.. D. 19-i23_ 

^„..^.,.„„^...,,,H S. M. Holland Adj-::i ^^^9 Luclllo. Irving, 

/.:= ^L_. Phone No. BIL3-218^ Tor.as 

Di?o;ci end sayai- 3; r^^.^ olcftal Supervisor Tor th( Un.oii Torrnlnal and I was 
iiicpactinf; si^i^al and si/itchQs and stoppod to uatch tho parade. 
I i;a3 ctandinr^ on top of tho triple lindcrpcss and tho Proaidont's Car 
ijas co.'.iinf; dov;a iiln Stroot and xjhon thoy get Just about to tho Arcado 
I hoard uhat I thought for tho no.-ncnt via 3 a Tiro crackor and ho siu;r,pod 
over and I loolcod ovov tov/ard tho arcado and troes and sav/ a pufr of 
svio'co co".c from tho troos and I hoard tlirco .nioi'o shots aftor tho first 
shot but that iJas tho only puj?f . of sinoko I sa\'.. I i.TU'aediatoly ran around 
to i:hcro I could sco behind tho arcado and did not soo anyone running 
fro:.-; there. But tho puff of 3:.ip'-:o I oa'-: definitely carao from behind 
the .arcado throuch tho trees. Aftor tho first shot the 'Prosident 3lu:i:ped 
ovor and lira. Konnody iui.ipod up and tried to c°'*' ovor In, tho back seat 
to him and then tho second shot rang out. After tho first shot tho 
s-crot service man raised up in tho seat vrith a raachino cua and thou 
ciropped back doun in" tho soat. And thoy ininiodlatoly sped off. 
iilvcrythinf^' is spinning in. my hoad and if I romeaibor anything elso lator 
I v:ill couio back and toll Bill. 



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Subscribed and sworn to before mc on this the day of -'^^'^^g^-^^^'<->^^^<-^ ^ £)_ I9 e^j^ 



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Notary Public, Dallas Coui^ty, Texas 



Holland Exhibit D 



163 



1 

DL 44-1639 



"Mr. J.E. Curry 
Chief of Police 



"December 1, 1963 



"Sir; 

" Re: Interview of Reserve Officer, 

Patrolman Harold B. Holly Jr., 325 

"On December 1, 1963 Reserve Officer, Patrolman Harold B. 
Holly Jr. was interviewed by the .undersigned officers 
as to any information he might have concerning the shooting 
of Lee Harvey Oswald. Holly had not submitted a report 
prior to the interview V7ith these officers. 

"Patrolman Holly stated that he reported to the City Hall 
at approximately lis 30 a.m. on November 24, 1963. He was 
assigned to work traffic at the intersection of Main and 
Harwood Streets. At approximately 11:45 a.m. he was 
assigned to Parkland Hospital to assist in the handling of 
traffic at that location. 

"While there. Holly stated that an unknown reserve police 
officer related to him that he, the unkno^Tn reserve 
officer, had passed Jack Ruby into the basement of the 
City Hall after Ruby had, presented press credentials. 

"Holly was shown photographs of several reserve officers 
by Captain J. M. Solomon and was unable to identify this 
unknovm reserve officer. 

"Captain Solomon advised the undersigned officers to be 
skeptical of this information and not to place too much 
credence in it. 

"Holly stated that he was not familiar with Jack 
Ruby and had not seen him on the date of Oswald's 

c s< sr 

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J:x.No.5109 HOLLi:,H.B.Jr. Deposit ioiu. 
'3 3^ Dallas 3-26-64 



Holly Exhibit No. 5109 



164 



2 

DL 44-1639 

"shooting. At this time Holly has not been contacted 
by ary federal agency. 

"Respectfully submitted. 



/s/ Jack Revill, Lieutenant 
Special Service Bureau" 



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Holly Exhibit No. 5109 — Continued 

165 



Ft)-302 (Rov, 3.3-S9)' pf RAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



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n... ^2/7/63 



l-L^nOLD B. KOLLY. JR., 3429 Antilles, residenca ^ .\ 
phcr.c E?.. 9-45S4, Dallas, Texas, furnished the following (^^ ^^ 

X ■ i~ 
He is employed as a General Contractor with v^ • f ^ 

offices at his residence. He has been a reserve police -^ , \^, 

officer with fee Police Department at Dallas, Texas, ^ ^ _:; 
for a nur.:ber of years and is presently a member of the ,' r-7.., C 

First Platoon, "C" Company. J .1^'''^ 



.'^s concerns his assignments during the week end 
of Novev-iber 24, 1963, he vjas first contacted by Sergeant 
I-l-.YC , on November 21, 1963, and v;as told to report to 
the ccir.ir.and post of the police reserves at the Central 
Police Headquarters on the follovying day. ?:e stated, 
hov;evar, he had business to conduct on the morning of 
November 22, 1963, and learned of the President's assacsina- 
ticr. while at his residence. Ke imAiediately put on his 
uniform and proceeded to Central Police Mea.dquarcers , 
arriving there about an hour after the President's assassina- 
tion. There x;as much confusion at the police station and 
he did not see any reserve officers that he la?.ew there. 
He did not laicw LEE tLVRVEY CS'.JALD was in the building at 
that time. He went to the office of the Burglary & Theft 
Unit cvi the third floor and spoke with a Captain SOLCIICN, 
v.-ho is the coordinator for the police reserves and is 
assigned to the police training school. He asl-.ed Captain 
SCLCMOl^ what he could do to assist arid v;as told it was 
alright for him to help the regular officers keep spectatorc 
away frc.ii the third floor of the Central Police Headcuarterc . 
He then stationed himself in che third floor lobby and 
checlced identification of anyone v/ho attempted to i7alk 
do-.-.Tn the hall xjhere LEE K.iRVEY OSVJ.a.LD was being held. Ke 
stated he vjas not instructed as to vjhat type of identifica- 
tion would be valid, but he assumed that it would consist 
of seme type of official press card. In his cirn mind, he 
felt press badges were not proper identification and ailc'wed 
no one to pass doxm the hall v;ho merely had a press badge. 
He made a point to check everyone attem.pting to walk by 
him who v.^as not in uniform. He did not l<r.ox7 vjho \-7as in 
charge of the security detail on the third floor. Ke 
worlced for about four hours on the third floor until about 
6:00 Kl and then went to the basement of the Police Departm.3~ 



12/6/53 Dallas. X-x^.o -.., ,, DL 44-1639 



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Ly s^ocici A-z^r.^ s .701^:3 E. jXin:-<^ fc "., :.■:):■■ nv--.-s-:'.%.^^ 6icio,^d 12/7/63 

e.:^h {-^1 

T'r.Ia documor.t ccnti::ns nalther rocammendatlonn nor concluEions ol the FB:.> !t Is the property ol the FBI or.d 1: 1 
your agency; It c.u :ta contents ore not to be dletrlbuted outetde your aqey^ 



Ex. No. 5110 HOLLY, H.B. Jr. Deposition 

Dallas 3-26-6^ 



Holly Exhibit No. 5110 



166 



l)L 4A-i639 



Eov .■■sboiic thii'cy n^.inuies rw tOi.iix Ke scsCed he v;as coo 
u:.;j>i.:t. J.s a rosijl!.. of ahe. ijS; r-vir.^Kion co eac diiinet;.. 
;k- v;;'^ik; back cO the thixd £"t.on)V and sitciyed there uncil. 
jb>.'u;. 7 30 PN', ac which cirvit;' he left the police station • 
ond Vi>i.i.Ni-ivd to his hffin<-^ ,. iie did vox, see JACK RUBY e.C 
cho" polir.c stacion at -jny t !■;)<.* on ch.it. d^y . 

On Saturday,, Niivcinbe ?. 2'K 1963, he returned to 
the (.Mrir-v,;:! Police Ker^dqu'-rit i.-.rs at Cibouc 7:00 ?M end was 
"."Msxgood V>y a roservtr offivor , i^^ho&o identity ha did v:ot 
U'v,.>w\ to dixijct tTttff-ic 0:-r live lnK.v'7;ve:Ctlcn of Co>n.T.erce 
;:;d AlOid Street's in dov,/nt o-viu rail;-;?:. He viforlced at this 
.■iSsif;nm>-MU. Tru: three huur.v arnl cbc-n returr.ed co his.hca:e 
after sij^ning ouc at thi? re'/?;-ve <:^o;r,.'nand pose at police 
headquarters. He did n«f ai<?c j1A<TK RCBV ;/.t any time on 
Chc t day . 



On Sunday ,, Hovi-. 



24, 1%3, Serjeant MA.YO 



cjilled his hcir.e rsc .niboMf! *^J 00 '/■H h-ud rold his wife they 
\gere .goinR to move hT.f-.- B '.w-iKY OSWA'S-t') cwc of the police 
headquarters oz abo-ut 2' 00 Pfi ,, . .?^nd thxit he &uc-oId, be there 
before they ir.ovtd him ooj. Se^ge-ii^t Fi:\YO caiitioned his 
v;ife not to tell anyone of .vhti >e piar^s., • He left his hcir.e 
i^OKetime after 10; 00 AM,, on ^:^'vt:Jnber lit-, 1963, and' upon- 1 . 
arriving at Central I'olice HeaoqTyivircets deteriUined that 
LE!:". K/\;-vVf!V OSWALD h-;-<d been Sih^t appa Pxira^itely five to ten-' 
inin-jces before hiii axtiv/il. He he-'-^id a broadcast r'eflect- 
in2 £hi? on his car t'^'diio sV^ii, .t ly before he arrived at 
the headquar ceis . K-i 7iiJintidi^.;;v:ly repor ced to a Lieutenant 
KRV3S, a reserve officer, w'h'a »as r>t the laaip entrance on 
Main Street, Lieutenant KRISS did not mal<e any cornaients 
; CO hlra concerning the sVsooLipg., b^t directed him to keep 
trar_"ic moving ac chatr. Lacrifcioi;ii„ He then took a position 
on the Main Street cuib ir* ■^j-o-nc of ibe rasip, and kept 
vehicles containing spcctii-Wt-.^ isoving on Main Street. 
There v:are a few cth:;?r: refeetvo- officers in the vicinity, 
but Lieti tenant KRISS was the cnly one he recognized. After 
about ten minutes., Licuirenartit KKISS told him to report to 
the command pose in the ba5"':^imenc snd there he received an 
assignment from a reserve officer he did not know to join 
a. detail being sent to Pa^kliiioi i:<e-^5.a: ial Hospital. Upon 



Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued 



c^H ^ 



167 



DL 44-1639 



ci-ri.vinz <it Parkland Kcniorial I-Iocpitalj he V7as accisned 
i.o u.h3 cacisrity datc.il on the nor^haast section of 'che 
Icxra aud spoilt approximately three hours there. Kis 
iustractions v7ere to Icaep cpectators av^ay. 

After approximately three hours at that location, 
Capiain SCLCKOW assij^ncd h±zi to act zc security on the 
po_--cion of the hospital lawn v^hich -vras in the vicinity of 
v.-hcve the Governor of Texas v/as hospitaliiied.- Scn'.etirr.e 
ct'^rins the period he wa.s there, he tallced to a reserve 
cjiiicer,, i;hose identity he did not Icncw, and. this officer 
tele hi;:; that either he scj-j "the rr.'an" corae in the bacerr.ent 
of the police station, ha.d' seen hiu in the basenent of the 
"Tiica ctatiovij or had let him cc~:e in the police station. 
■rhii; officer told him he did rot laioc? JACK RUBY and re- 
ferred ra him v;hen disc^isc-ins it a'^.; "the nan" in reference 
to the r.ian v.?ho sh.>t CSUALD . T.e £ti;t:ed he v;as unable to 
recall exactly what thii officer said, but it i;as probably 
one of the three possibilities he had just mentioned. 
This reserve officer did not say where he was assigned 
at the Central Police Headqaarters at the time of the 
shooting o I-Ie also recalled this officer told him that 
"the man" had a press bedge hanging from his coat lapel. 



i 
• - 



Me relayed tMs information to a close personal 
friend of his^ I2etective GiJS EVSSI-IART, i-Jho is a regular 
officer i.5£ig?ied to the Burglary c.- Theft Unit, lie believed 
he told r'-'ViiRI-L/iJ^T this on the follcuing day. Later on the 
str-e week, he was instrtacted to report to Captain SCLCvlOK, 
at which time Captain SOLOMUN exhibited photographs of 
rej-erve officers to him in an effort to identify the 
reserve officer he spol^e vjith at the hospital. Ke picked 
c'j't one of these photographs as possibly beivig a good 
ness of the reserve officer he had spolcen with, and 
ec^lled Captain SOLOMON saying that this officer v/as one 
f the men who was on duty apparently on the Main Street 
■cnip at the time' of the 'snooting,, He recalled SOLOMCrl 
aying i-..'ords to the ef fecr ^hat he ^••as the reserve officer 
s signed thexe, He^. pt-r fc?«Ji:al ly , did net Icioi? i.'ho was on 
v.---'; ot thfc M-jiir. Stree,. r:«rap at iiha time of the shooting. 
•J. civ. ■;<_').■ 1 '".;.■:'' cce O'f f-ic-Tic he "aad t^r.-^K^n V7ith as a vjhite male. 



-y? 



Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued 



168 



DL ^A-1639 



4 

age 35, 3° 9", 170 lbs,, v;ich an olive complexion. This 
officer vas a patrolman aud he could recall no additional 
dascripcive daca„ 

He believed there was a regular officer direc'cing 
traffic at the intersection of Main and Karvood Streets 
during the time he was assigned to direct traffic at the 
Main Street rarap after the shooting. 

After reading in the paper that a lie-detector 
test had been given an officer of the Police Departrnsnt, 
he assumed the officer referred co was the reserve officer 
he identified froni photographs exhibited to him by Captain 
SOLOMON . He has not heard anything from anyone at the 
police Deoartment, however, concerning the identity of the 
officer who allowed JACK RUBY to enter the building, how 
he might have gotten in., or who the reserve officer he 
spoke vvith might have been. 

As concerns JACK RUBY, he first met bin about 
D.v'o years ago. TOM WATSON, a paint contractor, who is 
r.ovj deceased, arranged with RUBY to paint the front of 
cbe Caro'Usel Club„ Prior to that time, he had not met 
irJSY . W.'^TSON and he want to the club on a Saturday morning 
and RUBY Wc^s there; however, they had very little conversa- 
tion with him. A price had been agreed on for the job 
but, when RUBY saw how little time it took thera to finish 
it;, he became upset and indicated he did not think it v;as 
worth thit much. Since a price had been agreed at prior 
to p-iinting the front, RUBY eventually paid them what they 
had askedo 

Ke has seen RU3Y several times V7hen he rode as 
a partner vjith Lieutenant EVERHART since that time. 
EVER'ti/vRT was v/orking in Special Services then and it vjas 
necessary for him to check all the various night clubs 
in Dallas, including RUi&Y's clubs. At no time during 
these checks did he cc-'nverse with RUBY , however. RUiiY 
never extended any favors toiiiir. or Lieutenant EVERHART 
fc'hll-3 he van vith hire-., and he. vcixid certainly not accept 
any f^-y->irt ki ti„^v y^:^;:^ offered. 




>^ 



Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued 



169 



DL A/*a»'>39 



He Icncvs nochlr^s concsrnirig ths baclcsroundj 
p?r:;<.;Ml iife^ or, political convictions of JACK RUBY .■,-..., - 
I-;.?- bv!d ivver hec:rd of LEE HARVEY OSVJ/iD prior to the ' 
Presj-dent ■ "i assassinatiori ar.d lar.ous of no connection 
between OSUALD and JACK RUBY. "^- "'-' '- ''•■-.- 



! 



Holly Exhibit No. 5110 — Continued 



170 



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Dalloj^ Texas 

InTornv-vl r.cniorandun l\Lrnichcd "by Poct:a Lnnpcctor H. D. lislr^c, Lallc:;, l-c:'^', 
of cji intci-vicvr he took part In vith Loo n. Ocirald on Sunday inomina, x:over:ocr 
2^, 1953, l>ct\.'ccn the apprordratG hov;-3 of 9:25 a.n. to 11:10 a.r:. &.G2e 
prcGcnt, in addition to Incpcctor iLjl^'.co, vcr-o Captain Will Fritii^ Dallas 
Police, Forrest V. Sorrels, Local A^cnt In Choree, Secret £cr-/lcc, and Thoriaa 
J. Kelly, Incnector, Secret Service. In addition, there vcre thi-ec Detcctivea 
vho vcre apparently accicned to Guordlae Oswald an none of thea tool: port la 
the int err ©cation. 

Oswald at no tirco appeared confuned or in doubt oo to whether or not he should 
cnsvcr a question . 'On tlic contrary, he vao quite alert and Gho-.red no hesitancy 
iu anCT>'crlr<; thoco questions vhlch he vantcd to cnsvrer, and vao quite chillful 
in parrying those questions which he did not vent to onsver. I cot thji irnressica 
tliat ho lied disciplined hlo cind end rcTleixcQ to a ctato vhcre 1 personally 
doubted if ho vould ever liavc confessed. Ec denied, crqVnatically, ha-/±nc tckcTi. 
pai-t in or iiavln^ hod any Imowledcc of the chootln^; of the policeroa Tippitt or 
of the President, ctatlnc that so far as he is concerned the rcaccn ho was in 
custody was bccauao ho "popped a policczian in the nocQ in a theater ca Jeffcrcca 
Avenue." 

P. 0. B0>23— He was questioned separately cliout the three "boxes he had 
rented, and in caeh instance lilo cr.cvrcrs vcre quick, direct end accurate as 
reflected on the "box rental applications. He stated vit'nout prorritin^ that 
ho hod rented Box 2915 at the l-Ioin Post Office for several r^Dnths prior to 
his coin^ to IJcr./ Orleans, that this box iras rented in his cr.m. na::^^, Lee H. 
Oswald, and that he had ta^cen out two Iccyo to t"ne "box, and that v/ViCn he had 
closed the hex, he directed that his call "be forwarded to bin at his street 
address la IIov Orleans. 

Ho stated that no one received nrJ.! in this "box other then Llrxelf , nor did 
ho receive any rnail under any other na:no than his o\/n true nare; tiiat no one 
had access to the "box other thcx. hir/^elf nor did he pemit enycne else to vs.o 
this "box. llo stated it was possible that on rare occasions he r,ay have handed, 
one of the keys to his wife to go cet his Eiall but certainly nobody else. He 
denied en^Dhatically that he ever ordered a rifle under his narx; or any other 
n£."e, nor permitted, anyone else to order a rifle to be received in this box. 
Further, he denied that he had ever ordered any rifle by r-.oil order or bo-^"at ariy ■ 
noney order for the purpose of paying for such a rifle. In fact, he clairied he 
cr^iCd no riTlo and hod not practiced or shot a rifle other than possibly a .22, 
cr.;il.l bore rifle, since his days with the M:;rinc Corp. He stated that "Eov 
could I afford to order a rifle on ::y salary of $1.25 oa hour when I can't 
hardly iTccd cyself on what I zaa]ce." 



Holmes Exhibit No. 4 



177 



i"o-.' t::o rcacou thrj'J he ovjocvrocd to ;:cvcrcl pubHicc/jlor.n, c-i -cr-.-Zw 'cvc^c- 
v/.ich vcrc puhlich-cd ir. r;uG=ir.,^ one ocii;:; "iho hc.^r.=-|:.ov-^ I'-r-C;^ "' ""^ t* J; '""';;;.. 1"? 

■th-at it van =:orc practical to ciroly rent poat cmco corcco cr^ .-.avo ;"-is 
•^s-dl AOi--:crdcd i?rora one be:: to the nczit rath.cr ti:cn c'-^in:: t':rcu2;h t;-.i- r-rccccc 

cni'ono ot'.:cr f.icr. hir-^cli? to C'^'- ^-^j- i^ ^o:-: 3^^-^^ •'-'- -'-•■' '^~~'-~'-^j -- -tv^c-"- 
t".'u:t h.G did not. It \rll2. be recalled that on thlc be:-: rent arz-'-i-"--^-'- -'•- 
chovcd t'nat both I'^^riiia Ocr.rold end A. J. Ilidcll vcrc lictcd und^r ths cc^tion 
"Pcrcons entitled to roccivo r.::il f.n-ov.^sh be::", /rtcr dci^inc that crc-cn- clcc 

that, end it conld very •■■ell be th.nt I did place her na,-o or. the cro'^'^^^^-^-^" • 
He vas then rcrdnded tliat the anylicction al:;o chc-.:cd the nc.-e A. J. Ilidell 
vos alco entitled to receive r^l in the bo::, at vhich he siinply ihruc;c<^-i ^- 
shoulders end stctc%i "I don't recall ciiythin^ about that". 

f. .:; 1c:-:cj:. School Booh De-.OGitcrj', he had rented a box at the nearby Tcrrijial 
in his nor-.e, Lee h. 0:r.;ald. T'; r.cr,t-_d hs hod only chech.cd out one hey Ccr 
on hi:; person at the ti:;.:; ci h . ^-vcit. He proj^ecccd not to recall •;he i'aet 

and coid that he didn't roeall eh.o-.rin" then:, '.■rncn ached i^ he ooid "che be:: 
ansr.'cr to another cuo::tion, he alco ctatcd that no one hod any hncr<;lceL;;e that 

■ crrort '-0 ^cln but it vac ncv - r.ade clear vliethcr he hod or had n"i been 
accepted. Ho stated tliat he i'irnt bcca-c interested iii the 7.;ir ?lcy rTor Cuba 

they had' any president or any elected orficers. He stated that hOj '.::.:rc~—j 
eculd probably be considered t;:c secretary,'' since 'rio "(.Totc soive letters en :;h:ir 



Holmes Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 



17» 



Dalles, ?o:caxi ■ -J 



Uhca Mkcd IT ho VQC c corioinict, he ctatcd CTnh:icxccllyjnoo, ...a.^hc -:^^ 
y-^-cict. Cor:conc ackcd the dirrcrcncc crA ho ctatcd .hct a conrr^-ix:;- ^-^^a 
Lenin-: '^-T'-lct, that he hiEcclT vcio a pvirc Mcr^dct, end x;ncn co.-oono^cn^.cc. 
the dirrcrcncc, he otcted th-t it vcjs a lon^ ztory end If tncy o_<.cn -^ /j-x-., ^ 
it vould tcJcc too Ions to toll tl^cri.^ Ho otatcd further that he hod rcoa a^cu. 
cvcryth.lns vrlttcn "by or about Karl 2'Iar>:. 

vrncn asked on to Ms rcllclon, ho ctatcd that ICarl M^>c vc5 hlG reli&Lon, end 
in rcaponce to l\irbhcr oucctionin.'S he stated that come people inay rind^tnc 
Bihlc interesting reading, "out it vao not Tor hin^ ctatin^; further that cr/ca 
cc a philosophy there V£ls not much to the Biblo. 

MiVKH-H: COR? SERYICE Captain Fritz radc como r.cnticn of his dishonorable 

diecharco fron tho I-trine Corp at v.'hich point ho "bristled noticcahly, stating 
that he had hcca diceharccd vith an "bonorahlo" dlschai'CG end that this vas 
later changed due to his having; attcr:ptcd to denounce his /i_"ericen Citizenship 
uMle ho vaa living in Russia. He stated further that since his chanse cf 
citizenship did not cor.o to pass, he had -written a letter to lir. Connelly, 
then Cccrctnry of tho ITavy, and af-^er considerable' dclcy,' received a very 
respectful reply vhcrcin Connelly stated he hal rcsit?icd to rc:n for Ccr/crncr 
of Texas, end' that his letter vas helno; referred to the ncir Gccrctery, a :'-r. 
Cork, Kurth, or cosathinc liko that. Ee shoved no particular, cnlc^cslty t<r-erd 
yx, Connelly vhilo dlscussins this feature. 

^:^P — Coptain Fritz adviGCd hiu that anions hie effects in hie roon, there vas 
found a r,ap of. tho City of Dallas that lied so.-ue Eark.s on it and asltcd hir: to 

, explain trJLc cap. Csvald said he prcsu-'iicd he had reference to en old City ran 
vliich he had on vhich ha had nade sor;o X'c dCQctin^; location of fims that hj:^ 
adver'tisod J oh vacancies. He stated, that he had no trensportation cad cither 
•v.'rJD-:cd or rode a hus end that as he vas constantly look-in^ for vork,- in fact 
had recictei'cd for erTolcynent at the Sc:>:as Ib^ployncnt Bureau, and that as he 
vc^lLd receive leads cither frora nuvspapcr ads or fron the Bureau or frcn 
neichhors, he vould chart these places on the roap to save tir.e in his travelinj* 
no caid to the hest of his recollection, ax>st of than verc out Industrial', 
pres'irrahly ir.oenieG Industrial Blvd. ''..'hen asked as to vhy the X at the Iccatlca 

. of the Tc::^i3 School Book Depository at Elm and Houston, he stated that "Uell, 
I lutcrvie./ed there for a joh, in fact, got .the Joh, thcrofcro the X". 

l/hen asked as to hov he learned ahout this vacancy, ho ctatcd th-at "Oh, it vas 
General inforr-ation in tho neichborhocd, I don't recall Just vho told :zs about 
it, hut I leomed it frora people in 1-Irs. Pcynes' neishhorhcod" and that all tho 
people around there vere looking out for possible CLTplcy.nant for r-izi. 

AC2T'rxJ:i JUS? PRIOR TO Aim H-C-EDL^SSLY FOLLOWH^j ASSASSEL'C'IOII /JTZSI^— -To an 
inquiry as to vhy he Trent to visit his vif e on Th'orsdcy nisht, ITovecher 21, 
vhercaa ha normlly visited her over the \/eekend, ho ctatcd th^t on this 
particTiLar veekend he had Icai-ned tk*at hio ^.-ife and M-c. Peyno i.-cre ci"^iA3 a 
party for thQ chiildrea and th-at they verc having in a "houseful" of ncirhoorhood 
children end that he Just didn't want to be around at Such a ti2:a. therefore, 
be cadQ hio veekiy vicit oa Thurcdoy night. 



Holmes Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 



179 



V-r.cn cijkcd if he didn't triiiG g ctick vrith hlr: -the nc::t r.omin^ -io i/crl'.j^^io _^ 
CwCtcd that he did, rjid i:h.cn r.r;.:cd og to the cor.tc.itc of the ca^-.^_ he; c'^^^-co. 
fr.cit it contained hl3 limch. "Zncn, vhca och.cd as to the cis^e or chcoe of tho 
cacl:, he ccdd "Oh, I don't recall, it r^ licvc a cr.cai cccl: or a Icrcc each, 
you don't cl\rs^a find ono that Juct flto your srxd'„-ichoo." V.l-icn cckcd aa to^^ 
^,•hcro ho placed the cack vhcn'hc cO" i^ "i^'^G car, he Gaid in hdo lap, cr pc3=l"b3y 
tho front acat bcaldc hlri, aa ho alvcys did TDCCauce he didn't vant to C-'i ^- 
crushed. He denied that ho placed a:iy package in the bach acat. vH-.cn advlccd 
that tr.e driver ctatcd that he hcd brouc'nt out a Ions parcel end placed it in 
the bach scat, bo ctatcd "Oh, ho riuct be nictclicn or else thinlcinc about ccso 
other tinx; vhca bo pichcd no up." 

\nicn. ac'.tcd as to liis vhci-cabouts at the tiria of the chcotinc;, he stated that 
vhcn lunch ttec cc:;-.c, c::d he didn't ccy vliich floor h^ vrac on, he ccid one of 
the Nesro crrploycco invited him to cat lunch ^rith bin end he stated "You co ^ 
on dCT.-n and send tho elevator bach up nnd I ^rf.11 join you in a fcv -inutcs." 
Before he could finish vhatevor ho var; doinc, be stated, the ccnrr^tion 
cui-roundin^ the assassination too!: place end vhcn he iront dov-n stairs, a polico- 
r,aa nucctloncd liir. ao to his identification rad Ms boss stated that "he is ons 
of our cn:ployces" vhcreupon the police:r.an had bin step aside r.cr.entarily. 
PollCTsxin^' this, bo sisnly vall:cd out the front door of the buildins- I don't 
recall tliat anyone anl:cd why he left or vncrc or hcrr.hc ^7cnt. I Just prcsusicd 
that this bed been covered in an earlier q.uc3'tionin2. 

A. J. TrmTT.T. IDi:2IFICr>TI0:i CI'^D Captai^i Prit:: ashed bia if he h^cv aa^'cne 

by the na-nc of A. J. Hidell end ho denied th^at ho did. I-.'hcn cnh.cd if ho had 
ever used this naco as an alios, he also r^do a denial. In fact, he stated 
that be had never used tho na-ro, didn't laiov anyone by this na-e, and r.a-/cr 
bad beard of the ncr,a before. Captain Trits then aal'.cd h.ia about the LB. 
card ho bad in bis podcct bearing such a no-jc and he flared up ar^i stated 
"I've told you all I'm coins "^^ about that card. You took notes, just read 
tlic-a for youi'selT, if you/irant to refresh your rer:xiry." Ho told Captain Frits 
that "You have tho card. I'ov you luio-,: cs rruch about it as I do." 



About 11:00 a.n. or a few nlnutcs thereafter, sor^one handed through th^ door 
several hcaccrs on which there vcrc sor.o trousers, shirl^s, and a couple cf 
Dvcaters. vrncn. asked if bo wanted to char.50 any of hie clothes before beir^ 
transfci-rcd to the County Jail, he said "Just cive r:a one of those sweaters." 
He didn't like the one th.cy banded bin and insisted en putting on a black 
slip-over c.-eatcr that bad so-.e Jacked holos in it near tho front cf the ric;bt 
shoulder. One cuff was released w'nile he slipped tr.iG over th.e head, follcwin, 
vh-ich he w"as acain cuffed. l>cr±az this change of clothinc;, C::LLcf of Police 
Curry caT.s into the roor: and discussed coractbins in an inaudible undertone vit 
Captain Pritz, apparently for tho purpose of not lotting Os-rrold bear what was 
bein^ said. I bavo no idea what this conversation was, but Just presunie they 
were dlscassin^ tho transfer of the prisoner. I did not i;^o downstairs to 
vitacca tbo f^nrtlier -"crancf er of the prisoner. 

rw 

H. D. KOLVtS 
Pcsti! Ir.;pcctor 
D:!;as 22, Tcxcs 

Holmes Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 



180 




WANTED 

TREASON 



THIS MAN is wanted for tr«ase«H»us 
•ctivitws agakist Hm Unit«d Sfat«>: 

1. Batraying th« Constitution (which 
he swore to uphold): 
He is turning the sovereignty of 
the U. S. over to the communist 
controlled United Nations. 
He is betraying our friends (Cuba, 
Katanga, Portugal) ar>d befriend- 
ing our enemies (Russia, Yugosia* 
via, Poland). 

2 Me has been WRONG on innu- 
merable issues affecting the se- 
curity of the U.S. (United Nations* 
Berlin wall-Missle removal. Giba« 
Wheat deals -Test Ban Treaty.etc) 



3 . He has boon lax in enforcing Com- 
munist Registration Um*. 

4 Hefwsghfonsi^ipmtandwieeur* 
agement to the Communiit imp* 
ired racial riots. 

5. Ho has illegally invaded a sover- 
eign State ¥rith federd tnMps. 

6. He fias consistently appointed 
Anti-Christians to Federal office: 
UplKtids the Suf>reme Court in 
its Anti-Christian rulings. 
Aliens and iaiown Communists 
abound in Federal offices. 

7. He has been caught in fantaftk 
LIES to the American poopio (in- 
cluding personal ones like his 
previous marraige and dh^erce). 

Harry D. Holme* Exhibit No. 5 



Holmes Exhibit No. 5 



181 














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Holmes Exhibit No. 6 



182 




>ON liX^liiSlT 1 



Hudson Exhibit No. 1 



183 



rD-303 (R.». jo.5») FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



Do^a' 



U/23/63 



^\Vxr\ 



ROBERT S. HuFFAKER, JR.., Ji-703 E&«t Side Avenue, Apartcent -d ' 

115, a newsman for KL.HD-T7, DAni^,3, ^ivt^e.i. th*t on Koventer 24, '^- l ; 

196;^ he went to the Dallas Police Station -e.bout 8:00 AM, and entered >:: "'- 

the-first floor door on the M-iin Street c-lde. No one vas checking '^ "t,N 

for Identification at the time- he entered thifi door. However, he '"- ^ . 

rode the elevator to the third floor "iDd, af- he doz off the elevator, "^^ ^ 

h? '.Kis required to produce ideatificatlcn Kveal.ng that he represented , ^ ' . 

a r»ewj; media. v i^ "^ , 

HUFFAKER went to the basem?nt of ihe Police Department ■;> M • 

Building ftbo-jt one-hnlf hour before OWALO vp.s shot. He vas re- - C ! 

quired to Rhov his press cari ap he erjter'^d the •vnrklsg area in ''>i\ • ', 

j-the baeenient. At that time, he obfetv^^d th' t everyone else vho /\'^ /• 

'entered the ba?ement area v^s re5iilred to p oduct; identification. \' ^^ .■-■. 
'There were only a few ■£^r?oa9 in the bajemet.t vht-n he fir?t arrived. ^ < ^ 

He noted that Sergeants PATB.IC< DKTS and Jlil mjr'.IAM appeared to be i6^ J: 

in charge of securit.y in the barenent, and \e va i impressed vlth ^ ,'^ 

the thoroughness with which they seemed to Ve checking all persons '^ ^ 

in the araa. He even noted they v^re f-he^<"-y>. rn? police automobiles o i.-^ i 

parked in the area. T -v! 1 

HUFFAKER advised he loee not know .JACK F:U3Y and cannot ~^ '^'^ \ 

recall having ?een him In the baseaect of t1 e Pc .Ice Department ' 

prior to the shootlcg. In fact, If. did r.ct get 1. look at PUEY's | 

face even after OSW/XD was i;hotr He had ^3 luied a e-tation dlr-^~:tly j 
in front of the door.? leading f roi: the elev tor < r.ito the ramp ir. 

the basement and h-^d been trying lo kef-p po; .=od5 cut of the line I 

of the KLRD C'smer-H^ in order that OSWAIO cov Id bt photographed aa he i 

3.pft the door? leaillng from the •sl'ivator. 1 i." eje? were focused ' 

on OSWALD a-; he appro'^chsd the autcmobll** which vas to transport 1 
him to the County Jail aod, vhen the &hot rang out, he looked ' ; 
toward OSVJAID, a? the l<itter fell to the floor. About that time, 

officer.' in the group gr.r.bb?.! PU2Y and he va;- un'^.blrt to distinguish { 

one ;>er»on from auother. | 

HUTTAiGR ?t^t*:l th^t the qui-.k movement of R-.JBY toward 
OSWALD would not have attrH'^tc'.d bi."^ atteatioo., in^ismuch as the 
seventy-five or mors nevfoien in the aren were constantly .jostling 
for position ^nd it vs.;' not vfcommon for one of then to Jo?t-le 
against another or to zRove iDlckiy xo a more advantanj'^ous site. 
He did not hear anyone yell at P.U3Y Jupt prior to or einultaneoufly 
with the shcotinc, but »<4vi:el thur e w'^- ^0 m'jc>:i_n^i»«^_ in the area 



_Ex.N0.533i HUFFAKER,R. Deposition- 
Dallas /;-16-6/; 
11/28/63 Dal.lar, Tpxa^ F-| # "'"' "^"-^"J^ 



by Spociol Ag,nt. SDMOND C. HA'^.DIN- fr, PA(-?H F. PAVP..I?f?S Dof» dictot«d U/28/6^ 

T^la document contains neither rec^-MDendatlooe nor oonclualone of the FBI. It te the property oi the FBI and U loaned to 
your ogeacy; It and Ite contents oiXEf'Ojto be distributed outside your agency, 



xdRO : 



HuFFAKER Exhibit No. 5331 



184 



DL kk~l639 
2 

It 13 pocsitle pomeoae could have y»jLl.ed without him heerlng. 

HUFFAKER stated that it appeared to him that all persons 
in the area vere helDg closely checked for Identification prior to 
adoittance to the b«*«:eroent er^a. At no instances did he observe 
pereona admitted without exhibiting Ideatiflcatlon, 



HuFFAKEK Exhibit No. 5331 — Continued 



i 



185 



^««o» (K«T. s-»-4t) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION ' X^^^ 

December 2» 1963 



Oat*. 



Mr. ROBERT S. HUFFAKER, JR., on interview at his 
residence, A700 East Side Avenue, Apartment 115, furnished 
the following information: 

He has been in Dallas for only seven months and 
is employed as a reporter for KRLD. He is not well ac- 
quainted in Dallas and prior to the time JACK RUBY shot 
OSWALD, he was not acquainted with RUBY, and to the best 
of his recollection had never seen RUBY before. 

On the morning of November 24, 1963, he was assigned 
to get the story on the transfer of LEE HARVEY OSWALD from 
the Dallas City Jail to the Dallas County Jail, and he went 
to the Dallas Police and Courts Building for this purpose. 
He was required to show identification as a representative 
of the press in order to get into the basement of the Police 
Building and to get to the drive- through ramp in the base- 4\l/^ 
ment where he was standing at the time of the shooting. "^^ 
He arrived at this position approximately thirty minutes \ 
prior to the shooting. Since he does not know RUBY, he . 
would not recall whether RUBY was present in the crowd 
prior to the time he did the shooting or not. 

He would estimate the number of people present in 
the basement of the Police and Courts Building at the time 
of the shooting as approximately 75 people divided equally 
between the press and police. He recognized JIM ENGLISH 
and BOB HINKLE with KRLD- TV camera and TOM PETIT, of NBC, 
and a French news representative, whose first name is 
FRANCOIS but whose last name he does hot know, as being 
present at the time of the shooting. 

He observed guards at both ends of the drive- through 
ramp and he saw officers searching the cars in the parking 
area in the basement prior to the time OSWALD was brought 
out of the Jail. He also saw a patrol wagon driven through to the 



_Ex.No.5332 HUFFAKER,R, Depositioa, 
Dallas 4-16-64 



^ 'A Q-4 



11/30/63 , Dallas, Texas^^ „ OL 44-1639 

mt A. PINKSTON and *""• ' — — 

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k, S,.c,.l A,.n,« W- »*M.AN BROWN/g. ' „^ „„^^ WlW 



This tfoeatMBt eoatalB* ■•lihar r»oaBa*adaUoa* nor eoeehialea* oi lh« FBI. tl la Ik* 9»9pMit •! tiM rkl tmt la laaa*4 !• 
row afaaeri U aa« lu aoalaala at* ael la M atolrlbalad oataUft #M» S^tHSfl 

HuFFAKER Exhibit No. 5332 



186 



2 

DL 89-43 

jail and obfetrved >gc. ^UTN'.K of thc> rolic* Doparttpcnt 
search it beforo Ir. ^t/xt allowed Inr.j th^? bascrnoot. He 
was required to uxhjblr. nis ureos pass and vouch for 
JIM ENGLISH and r,Oi MIWKLF. with ^ttl.J»-VV as being ropro- 
sentatives of IX/l) RJnce thf y did noc ha\rc press pusntn* 

Mr. H/IFFAKJiR scat'.d that \\e. could n7»* ^ay th-ough 
which wa}' RUrY entered the basement of th? jolicfe and 
Courts 3uilding since )ie n'Svrr naw RIJBV untitl the i^.nstant 
of Che shooting and c^o^as not koo./ wh^ro he ca'u* jTroii. 
There was nothing tnat he obscrvtd that would indicate 
any conspiracy on the part of anyone *.o lot .(ITJy Into 
the crowd since all police personnel appeared to him to 
have been taken eoiiplctely by sucorl^c. , V 



HUFFAKER Exhibit No. 5332 — Continued 



187 




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HuLEN Exhibit No. 2 



744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 14 



189 



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YOUNG MEN'S CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION 

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REBIDL^'CK HALL RFPOFT 



Pr. w-U?IF,nTS IN: 




517 


Cloyd E. Thompson 


Barker 


622 


Vt?rnon B. May 


McR 


71L 


Aden S. Cell 


Barker 


?r -M 


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Barker 


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Barker 


lilii 


Harold W. ifexroot 


Barker 


115 


Jirtny Gossett 


Barker 


1:21 


ViUf'iin rnoraas 


Baricor 


126 


Houston Jos see 


Barker 


]-27 


Goo, abler 


Barker 


516 


?ud Vest 


Eva 


520 


D. "..'. Holzworth 


Barker 


520 


S. .'i. Lcvanson 


Barker 


521 


G. Alexander 


Eva 


521. 


V.', K. Jones 


Eva 


525 


/I. Deaethruck 


Eva 


525 


Hubert Rash 


e:>i 


528 


D. v. Lancaster 


Barker 


529 


Don :leade 


Barker 


601 


Allen 5. V.'ade 


Barker 


60\ 


Ste.-e Harry 


Barker 


(GS 


G.E. McDaniel 


Barker 


610 


Kenneth Davis 


Barker 


612 


Gray Hanson 


Barker 


613 


Fobv.rt I'lurray 


yicT. 


620 


'.-."m Ellis 


KM 


625 


v;. .1. stone 


Eva 


628 


V.D. Snith 


Barker 


629 


uine Tjonville 


}iarker 


702 


Jon D,Armstr ong 


Barker 


705 


L. J. Harrow 


Barker 


70 


Gercld Pa, ne 


Barker 


vi 


James Hotcalf 


e:-i 


716 


J.C. Parker 


Barker 


720 


Geo HobgGS 


Barker 


720 


Roger Shsnzer 


Baricor 


720 


Fbbert i awley 


EM 


720 


'^ron rliss 


EM 


723 


J.L. Soviniiky 


Barker 


721: 


r, W, ;'enrose 


Baricer 


727 


Kenneth Oberst 


BIricor 


£07 


David Simmona 


EM 


eo7 


C. P.. Parker 


Eva 


511 


Frank Parrlsa 


EM 


£11 


K. Koshlba 


Eva 


629 


J. Peril on 


Baiicor 


921 


lV7. Johnson 


Eva 


929 


R. W. Hughes 


Barker 


1002 


Geo. M. White 


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1002 


Jac. J,. Hcckerd 


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1002 


A. Oborct 


EM 


1002 


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EM 


1017 


I. ji. '.'.allace 


Barker 


1113 


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1215 


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610 


' Tl Kennedy 


Eva 


611 


'iU Davis 


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612 


J. Ilarr:n;;ton 


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Marvin Philippys 


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Tojtt Bailey 


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197 



RESIDEMCE HALL REPORT:. 



PERMANENT S IN ; 101? Renau P. Brown McRee 

608 J^n Burson McEee 

K2XI 710 Berr.ard R. Tinney McRee 

100$ Joseph H. Courts McRe© 

P2FMANENTS OUT: 



608 Jack Harting 
1019 Thomas D. Foster 

TRAIICIENTS TH : 

ljl5 Lee Oswanld 

I4I7 Bob Per.rce 

1;25 Woody GatrBOod 

1:27 Henry N. Seror 

129 W. H. 3ell 

5oi Richard Kerr- 

510 J. D. Smith 

517 Laurence O'Dwyer 

520 Jimmy Easterwood 

§20 Eddie Kahn 

523 H. C. Wilspn 

526 Puinald W. Lester 

529 T. L. Sharer 

607 VJilliam F. Lowery 

610 Don I'lead 

6lii Galen L, Hayes 

616 Job Jackson 

622 W. L. Charapoin 

623 Hollye L. Cloud 
707 J. D. Edwards 
717 I-. E. Reinhardy 
720 >;. Bonanno 

720 Darrell L, Murray 

721 Sam Dutherage 
822 llike Fe..nell 
82li Herbert ^wert 

906 Lorence . Bravenec 
928 Bill Baker 
1021 Rev. Loepz GArcia 
1112 R. F. Swenson 
1215 H. A, Thompson 



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P. M. 
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P. M. 
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P. M. 
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P. M. 
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M3NDAY, OCTOBER 1$, 1962 



TRAUC TENTS OUT : 

h07 J. E. Smith 
120 S. M. Fletcher 
503 rfelvin E. Papp 
523 H. C. Wilson 
52lj R. Swanda 
602 B, D. Framer 
60li Robert L>» Koweski 
609 Jim Burs on 
616 Joiin L, Genz 
626 Jeff D. Swartz 
72 14 Mat Matthews 
710 Bernard R. Tinney 
822 Wade Teague 

828 John F. Pfifferling 

829 Zellman Dickerson 

912 Lee Oswald 

913 Howard Berry 

911: Jerry M. Swatting 
929 Gary N. Watanard 
1002 Jerry Welch 
1002 John Weber 
1105 HDbert Hess 
1112 Samuel Dutheridge 
1212 John B. Aiaiond 



TRAILS FEES: 



719 to 602 Dave Atkins 



VACANCIES: 



Marshall 

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Bardford 

Marshall 

Marshall 

Itorshall 

W. B, 

McRee 

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J^arshall 

Marshall 

Marshall 

Marsahll 

Marshall 

Marshall 

Marshall 

Marahll 

McRee 

Bradford 

Marshall 

Marshall 

Bradford 

Bradford 

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601, 609, 610, 611, 619, 620, 621, 625, 626, 
627, 628, 70I4, 707, 715, 719, 92I4, 828, 829, 
909, 912, 913, 911*, 921, 929, 1002, 1019, 
1023, 1029, 1030, 1105, 1212. 




CoBmisslon Exhibit 4^(0. 



HuLEN Exhibit No. 14 



198 



Resident H;sLL REPORTl 



PERMANENTS IN: 



829 F. C. V.-u McBee 

828 Y. L. Chen McRee 

819 Waig, y L, McEee 

PEKMANENTS OUT ; 

712 Jack L, Hombakor P. M, 

TRMCIENTS IN : 

515 Ja.^.es E. Green R. W, 

lj03 Richard Snyder Barker 

rzrxTPfi^ I4O9 Edwaed Calderon Barker 

Ij.1 Arnold L, Cox Baiicer 

ljl5 Alton Herring Barker 

117 Virgil F* Carpenter Barker 

Ij27 Dan Rhodes Barker 

I428 Frank Beadles Bj,rker 

129 John W. Borwn P'. M. 

502 Don Mead P. M. 

503 Claude Bouchillon Barker 
50ij Robert Lamed Barker 
510 Heniy Firedman Barker 
Slit John P O'Coran^r R. W. 
520 Marc Mathers Barker 
520 R. C. Atcheson W. ii. 
52lj Ronald Jorjison W. B, 

525 W. E. Curable R. tf. 

526 J. R. Cantrell W. B. 

528 John B. Dickson Barker 

529 John N. Theall Barker 

606 W. H. Jobe Barker 

607 L, H, Whitmeire Barker 
611 Ralph H, Cobb Barker 
616 Don Sli^ycard Barker 

619 Allen Shetland W. B. 
609 V/illian Johnston Barker 

620 Robert L, Holmlg W. B. 
620 M. E, Dugeon Barker 
620 William Mullen W. B. 

620 Harry Walker W. B. 

621 Kenn Ambum Barker 

622 Maurice '-'.Vinger Barker 

623 Gilbert Perez W. B, 
625 Donald PjGelo W. B. 

628 Gene Jaczak Bafcker 

629 K.chard Boudreau ' Barker 
702 J. L. Hershop . Barker 
707 Al Brannon Barker 
715 Mkie EcCoraack W. B, 
717 Larry Williams ' W. B. 
721 Michael Cannody W. B. 
723 M. luhara Baiicer 
72ii Charles E, Duel! W. B. 
811 Peny M Carter W, B. 
906 Hugh Bayne . Barker 



FRIDAY. OCrOBER I9. I962 
TRANCIENTS IN CONT'D : 

$08 Giordano Chianittini 
913 Felix Ralli 
91I4 James R. Slider 
921 A, Wlavoord 
929 S"m Sixth era ge 

1001 L. D. Wil^ersham 

1002 Geroge Levasseur 
1002 J. E. Coatney 
1005 Wesley Seay 
1010 Ivan Ridre 

1021 Lester A. Hair 

1028 J. T. 0' Biem 

1029 J. T. Robbins 
1105 George Rrad 
1213 Loren E. Culler 
1215 Earl Stroupe 



TRANCIENTS OUT : 

1409 Robert Coleman 

1410 Howard J. Holland 
1^15 Lee Oswald 

lil7 Bob Pearce 

502 Tommie J. BurShilder 

501) R. E. Powell 

510 Donlad Ford 

515 Milton Delandy 

520 Jiirmy Eastwood 

520 Edie Kahn 

52lj James W. Kncwles 

525 San Dutherage 

526 Ronald W. Lester 
529 Ronmy L. Shafer 

■ 606 M. K. Vaughn 
607 Lawrence Johnson 
611 Ivan T. Ridre, Jr. 
616 Joe H, Jackson 
707 R. R. Xancy 
717 Harold Q. Miller 
723 W. E. Miller 
72I4 J. A. Sellards 
819 M. H. Wang 

828 Yl. L. Chen 

829 F. C. Wu 
908 Leo Bnuckner 

926 Richard L. Preble 
1010 Rev. N. Barcia 
1029 Warren Hovioios 
1112 Mel Lauderdale 
1215 H. A. Thomspon 



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Commission Exhibit 



HuLEN Exhibit No. 15 



199 



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23 SICK PEaSON 

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TYPE 


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10 9 


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4 448 


1657 


85 




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44 2 8 


2242 


78 




7 7 


1 1- 


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172 3 


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4459 


1953 


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4 5 


11 


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155 5 


LEMMON OAK LAW 


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1616 


3 5 




2 7 


1 1 


24 


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213 2 


LEMMON MANOR 






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2248 


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32 


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2 4 


3 


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LEMMON 




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4 4 28 


200 


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3 1 


11 


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3 


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LEMMON 




5 018 


44 16 


206 


3 2 




3 Ij 


11 


2 4 


3 


2 32 8 


LEONARD 




2 102 


4 47 2 


1 4 


113 




11 5f 


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8 13 


4 4 4 8 


209 


10 2 




113 


11 


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084 1 


LINDEN LANE 




6 423 


4 459 


921 


4 8 




4 9 


11 


2 4 


3 


154 3 


LI N S L E Y 




5 222 


448 5 


1553 


L 18 




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2 4 


3 


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4 4 48 


1652 


111 




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3 


134 8 


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10 4 3 8 


5 03 


1420 


57 




5 7 


11 


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220 9 


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1719 


4 4 11 


2325 


111 




10 41 


11 


2 4 


3 


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LIVE OAK 




2 OQO 


5 04 


34 


2 11 


118 


10 2; 


11 


2 4 


3 


15 0.8 


LIVE OAK 




5 109 


4 4 59 


1543 


119 




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2 4 


3 


113 7 


LI VENSHIRE 




9 3 4 


4 459 


1217 


68 




5 9 


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2 4 


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180 5 


LLEWELLYN 


N 


313 


5 03 


18 2 3 


9 3 




9 1 


11 


24 


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4 4 47 


1 2 


2 4 2 




6 1- 


11 


2 4 


3 


115 3 


LOGAN 




2 410 


44 6 2 


133 1 


7 2 




7 1. 


11 


2 4 


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194 5 


LOVE FIELD 






44 17 


1949 


3 9 




3 2 


11 


2 4 


3 


2 14 3 


LOVE FIELD 




y 


44 17 


2146 


3 9 




3 2 


11 


2 4 


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174 7 


LOVEFI ELD 






4 4 17 


1748 


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3 2 


11 


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15 4-8 


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W 


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4 4 4 8 


160 3 


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449 5 


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r2 02 


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76 


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19 2 4 


LUTHER LN 




5 94 1 


4459 


2027 


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4 8 


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1010 


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8 13 1 


4 459 


1112 


68 


66 


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14 4 


4459 


418 


102 




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3 


135 2 


MALDEN LANE 




4 6 3 1 


4 4 29 


14 3 1 


8 5 




8 c 


112 4 


3 


2 3 


M A N A N A 




2 35 1 


44 17 


2129 


3 5 




3 5 


11 


2 4 


3 


000 5 


MANOR WAY 




3 30 4 


4 4 62 


39 


23 




3 2 


11 


2 4 


3 


07 5 2 


M A N U S 


s 


6 07 


5 3 


8 39 


85 




3 3 


11 


2 4 


^ 


004 5 


M A R Q U 1 T A 




6 17 2 


44 2 2 


126 


4 5 




4 4 


11 


2 4 


3 


09 2 


M A R S A L 1 S 


N 


7 15 


4 459 


907 


9 1 




10 9 


11 


2 4 


3 


2 10 8 


M A R S A L 1 S 


N 


9 29 


4 459 


2150 


9 1 




■9 1 


11 


2 4 


3 


150 


MARSH N WEST H 


W 


Y 


44 8 1 


1549 


3 2 




3 2 


11 


2 4 


3 


2 00 5 


MARTINIQUE 




8 02 


4 4 4 3 


2019 


5 1 




5 4 


11 


243 


02 5 3 


MARY DAN 




7 636 


4 459 


4 36 


69 




6 S 


11 


24 


3 


09 2 


M A T E U R 




2 718 


4 4 17 


94 3 


a 3 




8 £ 


11 


2 4 


3 


Oil 9 


M C K I N N E Y 




100 1 


4 459 


150 


10 1 




10 1 


1 1 


2 4 


3 


023 9 


M C K 1 N N E Y 




10 01 


44 11 


331 


116 




10 1 


11 


2 4 


3 


162 3 


M CK 1 N N E Y 




2 403 


4 44 8 


1638 


10 1 




11 £ 


11 


2 4 


3 


005 2 


M C K 1 N N E Y 




3 030 


444 8 


200 


118 




11 £ 


11 


2 4 


3 


000 


M C K 1 N N EY 




4 225 


4 4 48 


16 


4 1 




4 1 


11 


24 


3 


193 5 


M C N E A L 




3 519 


4459 


1957 


68 




3 £ 


■ ■" 'V^ 


y. 


173 2 


MEADOW METROPO 


L 


1 T A N 


4459 


1757 


63 




6 ; 


.-___ 


.1 »- 


..- 


i.">..*i«— ti.:'. 


H c U 1_ 4 W 


_ 


- _fl 6 1 4 


'i J^.S-P 


P3 3 


C 1 




# 



HuLSE Exhibit No. 5135 — Continued 



201 



Forai IB-U 
IU«. 1-61 

LOUISIANA— 19 



INTERSTATE REQUEST TOR RECONSIDERATION 
OF MONETARY DETERMHATION 



BadceTBwMa No. M-R10(M.I 



!^? 



l!?t; 






p\; 



^W/IJLO 




..f^JJ..^^ Jisy 



_^^ 



^J^Aafc 



6. I f«^*c*i recoocMencios (oc che (ollowiaf rcttfooa: 

I 1 Eaployn«M in my h%»€ peiiod ftj ooccd bctovj 
• , Eai|>lo7«f 



S. MoextuT dMtmiutiaa dan . 



¥^U^-C3 




Addrcaa whi 
work perfomcil 
Address wb*r« 
rscords kepc 



Xdcccnuouioa^ 1 

,1... ^QO 






Addftaa wberc 
wofk pcrfofBMd. 
Addcvaa ^wfa 
record* kept _»_ 



No. of 
^■plaTeea 



Qcr. Wa«ea: 19 Uc Q I- 



_ 19 2ftdQ$- 



Eocef below aay odicr iafocmatioa iHkich taay a|>ply (■) other aM»ea ond«( whicb worked; (b) ocber social avcority 

clock B^abcr; (d) cbc enpLoyer'a plant ataUwr; (e) sMae o| the dApar^^M; (f) occopacks: 



Baoibera oacd; (A) b«dfe or clock bi 







Lf^i^r-tuy 



\ i WBA aod MBA iacocrect becuiae _ 
( 1 Other 



7. Tlw ttbove fftcu are tnae to tbe ^ 
beat of mj ksvwl«afe nd beli*lira 






^ , . Till* ftad Dmte of . 

g. Docancsu Aa>£kc<l OHV" □ No t . J - 

Doc«B«a[^au««c^ed _>^^ 

H U penMD, eftttf dote fUcd 7* '^ i 

9. R«<lne«t filed 

U by B«il, CBWf poo^Mdl dft<« 

10. Dm L.O. •uatLO' •M.O.L.O. Mkb*;* aad Ho. 



Itiaefaaf 
Potac Locatka 



. tutmp Of eaCK L.O. addnM aad No. 

DtViyON OF EMPLOYMENT StCURin 

630 CAMP STREET 

nm OgLEAHS 12, LQUJSJjya .^ 




Diacribveioftt Ofi<inU and one eo Ui^lc i 
copy to clAkMutt; c«py f«K ftfeat at«t« Ioc*l < 




^ 



HtTNLEY Exhibit No. 1 



202 






HuNLEY Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



203 



LOUISIANA-19 
Flexible Week 



CONTINXnCD INTEBSTATB CLAIM *- ' iww b^.- no 

riaimant: Plcair do tux write in ihla box 



27 



I. NAME: 

I Print) (nnt 

2 LOCAL 

MAILING 

ADDRESS: 



~ 1 (MMito) (Lut) 



3i 



ii^.-^ 



(M. or Itaral RobU) 

Louisiana 



<Ctt7) 

Have you m 



ivcd uacc lut iredL? 



□ v« 



Q Female 



4. SSA No 



5. Liable Suit 

6. Week Ending Dale _ 

7. Week Emliog Dale 



=ra^ p ucx 

9^ 2 - /3 



B. Actual date daim taken: 



^T^TT 



9. During the weeS£(s) daiiiied in #9 aod #7 above, did you w<vfc or eara wages ol any kindf PI Yet [/3-HWq 
If "yet", htxniih the infcnmatioo below for each day you worked. '^ 



DATE 


EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS 


CROSS PAY AMOUNT 













































Reaaon for leparation tram any employment j^own above: Lade of work PI Other* PI 



10. For tlte wcek<c} daiaed in #6 and #7 abo*^ bow miufa did yon 
TcceiTe in isaKue in the form oC: 

a. Eamingi from adt^m yluyc ae m ? 

b. Commiaikm payment^ 

c. Wages in Ueu of mcioe? 

d. Dtsmicaal or levcfmBoe pay? 

e. Vacatkm pay? 

f. Holiday pay? 
g. TifM and grattiidet? 
h. Board, or room, or both? 
i. Railroad retirement bendti? 
j. Sodal Seairity (OA5I)? 
k. Poison fmn fonner emptoyen 

induding gov ernm ent and armed fotoo? 
L Workmen's a«npeniBitioa? 
m. Veterans education and trainii^ or 

subsidence allowance? 
n. Educational Assistance Allowance 

under the War Orphans Act 1966? 



II. For the weck(t) daiaud above in #6 tod #7: 

a. Were yon fully able 10 work? ^^T^*^ D 

b. Were you available for work? 
c I>id you rtf use any jobs offered you? 

d. Did you attend school? 

e. Did you work on a bnn? 
i. Did you work on a commission basis? 

g. Were you sell-employed? 



QVe.' 0^ 

□ Ye.. X^ 

□ Ve,. 



□ Y.^ P^ 



h. Did you receive, or are you seeking 
batata under any other State or 
Federal unemployment insurance law? P] Yes* 



For any amount entered in # 10, show in # 15 REMAIULS, t^ period ooveied by payment and employer name and addrcM if appUcable. 

IS. For uae ol UaUe Sace 



12. Use L. O. sump ex enter L. O. Addi«M sad No. 

DlViSlOfl C? Ey^lOYUtUT SLCaRlTY 

, ... -~ T 

6"C - • - 



^K 



^0^ 




*-*A.L 



■CLAIMS TAKOL tapUa •> fMM DHl. Ikct Itadtaf BcfMI 



HuNLEY Exhibit No. 2 



204 



M During the pcnod covered by this claim, ecplain what you have dotie to find work. List employers, Ubor 
niacted- 

Type of Work Sought 




and (Xher plai 



y.. /l — ^ 



s-^s ^-yj'/ c z,-,-^ 







.^^12^ 



I /I'o /^s.y .,^,^ 






^/?^ /) fu} (-'J^ I na-/^c < ^i' ^?^ 



^>^yZ -'C-^ 



15. REMARK5: Give below any additional information on any of iteios 111, particularly iton 10. which requinr further explanati 



16. 1 hereby regitter for work and claim unemployment inmraoce benefits. I am uQcmplayed, able to work and available for work, ex 
cept aa itaied hereon. I have been infonnnl that I mu&t report ai directed to the State Employment Scrvke office to continue my 
rcgistratiun for work and ray claim for benefits. I undenund that the law prescribes penalties for false sutements made for the 
purpose of obtaining benefits not due or of incrcasii^ benefits. I hereby certify that uw statcmexits made in connection with this 
claim are true to the best of my knowlec^ and bdief. , / 



NOTE: Do WH : 






17 CUimant— In case of mail claim, obtain agnatore of notary, or ctgnatares and addresMS of two adult 




HuNLEY Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



'44-731 O— 64— vol. XX 15 



205 



^ f 



■z 7 



LOin5XANA-19 
Flexible Week 



CONTINUED INTERSTATE CLAIM 

Claimant: Plcsac do not i 



Budc»1 Bor««u No. 44-RlOIM.I 

ie ID this box 



1. NAME: _: 

iPtIWI I 

t< MAILING 
ADDRESS: 



^^ 



^^-^ /'^'^ 



0TJI Q] UCFE Q UCX 



.- yC^ 



yiyt' L f'/C^^^/y~ S 



(St. or Ruml Rout«> 

Loaisiana 



: last w«li? [^ Ya Q"^" 

Q Female 



Liable Sute . 



6. Wecli Ending Dale , 

7. Week Ending Date 



Si-'^Ia!L,.t.^ 



^■^'i^ 



Actual date claim taken: 



^^' 7 ' /J 



:!>.(s) claimed m #6 and ^7 above, did you work or ear 
If "yes", himith the information below for each day 



wages of any kind? FH Yc$ 
ou worked. 



EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS 



GROSS PAY AMOUNT 



Reason for separation from : 



1 showc above; Lack ol work V~\ Other* P"! 



10. For the weck(s) claimed in #6 and ^7 above, bow much did you 
recciTe in inoMne in the fonn o^. 
a. Earnings £rom Klf-cmploTment? 
b- Commission payments? 

c. Wage* in lieu of notice? 

d. Dismissal or severance pay? 

e. Vacation pay? 
f. Holiday pay? 

g. Tips and gratuities? 
h. Board, or room, or both? 
i. Railroad retirement benefits? 
, ). Social Security (OASI)? 
•^ k. Pension from former employen 

including government and armed forces? 
1. Workmen's compensation? 
m. Veterans education and training or 

subsistence allowance? 
n. Educational Assistance Allowance 
under the War Orphans ka. 19&6? 
For any amount entered in #10, show in #15 REMARKS, the period 



12. Use L. O. sump or enter L. O. Addrca and No. 

OlViiiON Of tMPLOV%U'if 3tCUKfn 
, -^0 CAMP STRtT.T 
i.iitefctOKLU.NS 12. LOUISIANA 

Point Locatioo 



13. 



11. For the week(s) dilnted Aborc la #6 tnd #7: 

a. Were you fully able to work? |P| Yes 

y 

b. Were you available for work? [Tf Yet 

c. Dj(l you rriuse any jobs offered you? ["] Yes* 

d. Did you attend school? F"! Yes* 
c. Did you work on a farm? Q Yes* 
f. Did you work on a coramisaion basis? T~\ Yes* 

g. Were you self-employed? V~\ Yes* 

h. Did you receive, or arc you seeking 
benefits under any _gthcr State or 
Federal unemployment insurance law? f"! Yes* 

covered by payment and onployer name and address if 
For use of liable Sace 



□ No. 
QNC 

0No 



ippUcable. 



Report every . 






•CLAMS TAKIR: bplatai ea Iocb IB-II, lad nwUag R^Mt 



HuNLEY Exhibit No. 3 



206 



H. During th< pcnod covered b> this claim, explain whsf you have liv 
cuntactrd 



Places Conucted 



^/^^■ gl /V/^u^.^: A .^/yfiT/yiy <:^--/<^^- 






^^ 



^4^^3_ 



aa 



'/;? 



-(^f:> (- Wcx^ UXf fAy f./f^y^-^. fi 



77,r /J^- 



'^>^3{ /L^-:<U.--J2c r^/Z -s^ jjC: 



to tind wnrk List empluytn. labor 
Type of Work Soughi 



n» and other places 



tJ/^^T-,^^ f-r^ />yf, •»,/■,. 






y 



.^^'^-•7 i^tJtA 



//!/c7id^/f'f?/^y c 



Rnulti 







If yot 



Jhavc doit silthiitg. explain i<3iy. 



15. REMARKS: Give briow any idditional inforaiauon on any of items 111. particularly item 10. which require furthet cxpUnatia 



16. I hereby regiiter for work and claim unemployment injut^nce benefits. I am unemployed, able to work and available for work, 
lepi a> iialed hereon. 1 have been infonued thai 1 must report as directed to the State Employmeni Service office to 
registralion for work and ray claim for benefits. I understand that the law prescribes ' ' ' ' 



^ altxcs for false statements made for the 

f increasing benehts. 1 hereby certify that Ac sutements made in connection with this 
knowledge and belief. 



.NOTE: Do ■ 



. do ! 



J^ 



^ 



CUbtuot'i »l«iwtur») 



.^.^^^. 



17. Claimant— In ctte of mail cLairo, obtain ttgnature of notary, or sgpaatures and addi 

(1) Signature and address . 

(2) Signature and addroB 

18. 1 Itereby witncM the signature M this claimant and certify that he hat met the 




HUNLEY Exhibit No. 3 — Continued 



207 



Pom IB- 14 
Kr 1-61 
LOUISIANA— 19 



INTERSTATE REQUEST fiK RECONSIDERATION 
OF MONETARY DETERMINATION 



Budget Barau No. 44-RI004.r 



^/.'^ H. CiSW.^LD 



LOCAL 
2. MAILING 
ADDRESS. 



7»'7 



M 



(C«») rZoaa No.) / (Jl«l.) 

6. 1 fcqiKit rccoooiderfttioa foe (be foltowmg teoBoos/ t 

! 1 Employmeat to my booe peiiod os ooied b«lo«.w«: 
Enploytt n .^ ii ^ .. •• - (_ 



? SSA 

(Bin 

4. Liable Sl>H - 






] UCFE □ UCX 



¥^zU^~6 3 



5. Mooctuy decermia*tiaD <iacc . 




Addteas wb< 
lecofdft kept 

1 worked h' 

Qtr. Vagcft 



19iei^Ut. Q |_Z£_Z T. l9kiiirf^|_2LZ^_r. 19-n5rdQ| 



..o„/ ^y7-^ 



Na 



Address where 
work peHofmed . 
Ad<lres9 where 
records kept 



No. of 



I worked from. 



Qtr. Wages: 19 l»c. Q $_ 



y other toform&tioa wfaicb may apf^y (*) other oaiiics uoder «rtiicb worked; (b> otber social security i 
bets used; (^ badge or clock t^ufciber, fd) tbc ecoployet's plant Qumber; (e) DSAe of tbe dipar^eot; (f) occopatioa. 



used; (a) badge of clock tiui 



r; (e) DSAe of tbediparuaei 



^sPU'-l^.t:^ f^-^f^-^ld X 



-t- 



\ VBA aod MB^ 
1 Other 



7. The aboTC facts are c 

best of my knowledge and belli 



'.,f^ 



-4..^ 



// c^^^^uj- 



8. Documents Attacked fE^Ycs □ No 

9. Request filed 



If by mail, ei 



Title aod Date oi 
Doc tan eat 
date filed 



ta Attached y^' 






r poscmark dace _ 
10. i;«e L.O. scamp or enter L.O. addteaa and No. 



and leceipc dace . 



DIVISION Uf IMPLOyP/itNI StCURITT 

y~\\ rikLL^\o li, LOlflsiANA 




Disrribuctoa: OtigiiMl add one Co liable iatersb 
copy (o claiauuit; copy fat agcDi acace local < 



HxJNLEY Exhibit No. 4 



208 



w^^^r^T^ ^m y ^ ' j^^'if " iiyi vj ^ m ii'^ w - {? dJ MmimmBMM^ii yr'7yr'ryr. 







HuNLEY Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 



209 






LOUIS lAi 
Flexible Week 



f. 



CONTINUED DSTKRSTATE CLAIM ^ J 

r laimani- PkatT dO IVOt «rr 



BudfCI Bureau No 
ir in thu bni 



1. NAME: .^__ 
(Prmii (Pint 

•i. LOCAL 
MAILING 
ADDRESS: 



"^1 r '> V z? 



A-^^ .^^ .^-r'^V 



/ re, J /'/f/f>^>i^5 LOU15 



Have you mo^rd since last week? PI Yes ["^^Nu 

J^lale □ Female 









6 Week EiidinK Dale 

T Week Ending Dale _ 

« Aiiual date claim taken: 



' 7- z:^ V :3" 



^} During ihc wr;\,i) ct;iimcd in )ip6 and #7 above, did you work orc^rn wages of any kiiidr FH \t\ [m No 

If •■>«»■'. funiuh ihc inlorrnaiion below (or each dav voii worked. 



EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS 



GROSS PAY AMOINT 



, shown above: I-ifk uf ^ 



D 



D 



J Earnings from seU-employment? 
b Commission paymenu? 
( Wages in lieu o( notice? 
k\. Disinissjl or severance pay? 

( Holiday pa\> 
g lips and gTJtuitin? 
h. I\oJrd. or rn..ni. or both? 
1, Railroad retirement benefits? 
J Social Security (OASI)? 
k. Pension fmrn former employen 

including govcmmcnt and armed forces? 
I Worlonen's compensation? 
\\\. Veterans education and training or 

subsistence allowance? 
n Educaiional Awistance Allowance 
under (he War Orphans Act 1956? 



II For the weck(s) claimed above in #6 and #7: 

a Wtrr suu fullv able to work" 

b Were you available for work.' 

(■ Did vou refuse am jobs offered 

d. Did \ou attend sch.Hil.: 

c Did vou work on a farm-' 

f Did >ou work on a (oiimussior 

g Were ^ou self tmplo\ed? 

h. Did vou receive, or are vou seeking 
benefits under any other St; 
Federal unemployment Insur 



ntered in # 10. show in # 15 REMA^ 
12 L'se 1-. O stamp or enter L. O Address and No. 



, the period covered by payment and cmplover i 
13. For use of liable Sute 



g Ye5 


□ No- 


Qve, 


□ No. 


□ Ve,. 


0Nu 


[JY«- 


No 


3v«- 


□ n„ 


<■ Ev«- 


QN" 


□ Yes. 


□ - 


aw; r] Ye,' 


qj^No 


and address if 


applicable 



•CLAIMS TAKER: EipUln on fons IB-ll, raa rui4iil( HqMCt 



HuNLEY Exhibit No. 5 



210 



Plices Conucied 



J'J'/A -^^'r r^'A,T(r\ 






->^ i\^2i^ 



(>/'A<>er //i'Q:/uC7 



^y 






C5 f^'"^0/trl 



Type ot Work Sough i 






,7%r/ 



y-^r^-y^^-'^ 









■ /• j^ 




15. REMARKS: Give below any additional infonnaUQn on any of items 111, particularly item 10, which require further explatutitm. 



I hereby register (or work and claim unernplovtiient insutance benefits. 1 am unemployed, able to work and available for work, ex- 
cept as siatrtl liercun. 1 h.ive been informed that 1 must report as directed to the State Employment Service office to continue my 
rcKislration for work and my claim for benefits. I undei^taod that the law prescribes penalties for false statements made for the 
purpose of obtaining benefits not due or of increasing benefits. 1 hereby certify that the sutesnents made in connection with this 
claim are tnie to the best of my knowledge and belie^ 



y^// d^^ .^^Z 



CCtelmftDt'a algnatui 



17. CUinunt— In oue of mail claim, obuin tignature of notary, or signacuro and addresaes of 

(1) Signature and addreia „__ ^ 

(2) Signature and addren , 

10. I faer^y witnns the tignature of this claimant and crrtify thai hr has mei (i 



not related to you. 




HuNLEY Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



211 






I l>'- >.M1 ll.<\> ,l> fll 




^. 



INTERSTATE CLAIM SUPPLEMENT __^^ « ^l^ n u ,. „ .^ ^ 



■.^^^ yy. ^^^^^^^^^^.^B^-j-^^^^^X'^f'-^y' 



■1. V.iur 1^1 
1.. VViih i.h 


.1 Kn.,.i..>.. ■ ZZ"' 
.Ih.r .-lui'l.o.r' -•^ 




II.. w.u .xi 
lliruuKli n 


■.;,•[„;,■'.'■-•"■■"- 


- ^ 


i. If ■v.-s-. 


1 wilh Ih.- I....-.I1 

■lii..n h.r.? : ■» 


.. ^S 



"^ 



i.r lrii..ii ..II. I 



N..111.- 111.- ..i<iiT.:ili..n« It. whj.h V..U h:iv.- hu.l . \i..ri.ni .■. c Unl Ih.- kin. I ..f w..rk y.iu usuallv .1.. fci 

., u„.a ,„ ...,. „ ,.„, ,., ,,.,.K f.., . ^^O 7~0 

1. \M,..l i» Th. l..»...i i..y.- ,.I |.^.> >..u wiU ucpl i.nv ■ J^/jTj^ . Wlii.i «..» >..ur w.iK. ..i. .-.iii I..M ;..U- ' /*. ?<f 

1... ,.,u usuiill) hv.- Ii.-r.- i^'.-^ H'N 

.-. Why .11.1 



It -N... :i. \Vh. .1 .li.l >..ii t,-.-l hiT.-? - 

1, „.,„■ 1„„K W,l, .V.., s„.V ^^ 



i?-v.-- - 



\V..ik t.ir iinyu 
Kiirm. live ..n i 



if V.-> , Kiv.- .l.u.' >..u !..>! 



V. - o^.i • If v.-."-. cvi.laln y.iur .-ictlvlty. » h.ii h.,urs ,,l ih.- .l..y siiH h..w m:,nv'h..ur» 
•^ ■ u .l:i> y..u »|.i-li<l .-It It. llf yuu l.l.in 1.. :.ll.-ii.l s.h...,l. tiw n.ii f .».h....l 



iin.l .'\|H'Ct.'.t stiirtinR dtit.> 



r.nt ..'r c.'.nln.l iin'v farm ^y", 

l.iml ..!■ Iiv.-»lu.-k' C"^'-' 0^^" 

c .S|„.,i.i .iiij lime ..s ».lf- 

. ni|.l..v..l ..r In l.u»in.-.ss ..f y 

.my kln.f r*V- S^'" — 

.1 Mlrn.l i..-h....l ..r i.k.n ~ -V. . \j!^" 

I., aU.-n.l RCh.n.lV 

'fu"Mw.''!'>.l,''!,''t ■.'.no'"''''"' Yi' □•^" 



ir .v..-. .still.- ihr rm 



... M.-k ..I .ll»..l.iin.v l..-n.-flt»? n"*'-^ iZ*^'" 

1. \V..rkn,.-ns .-..n I.-....1.-,, □ -Ws B^'.. 

. A |..n»l..n' C'Vcs fi^N" 

.1 S..,l..l S.,.„-uv --v.- D^-.. 



•V.-s G -N'" 



If v.-s 
If Ve,. 



I .-, rlify lh:.t ih.- f..r.-|{..inK iin.s 

Xy 



i-iir>- l.ii- th«"ni if y..u find wi.rk' 
ul correct to Ihe li.-..t ..f my kn.iwledg 



^^ 



, ^ yj. n^^.r^^ 



■I.AI.MA.SI 1«' .MiT WKITK JihM.llW THIS 1,1X1-: — 



''■■ 1...i-.,f 'iff(iM"AJif»L"'fl'»fl)«Jttfl|. 



Keasun .ir IB-9 l-...le 



HuNLET Exhibit No. 6 



212 



KAi*T K1M>IN<; HKl't 



KIMASV IK) N(tT WltlTK t).\' THIS SIMK 



11.-U of IH-ll wh.-n riitrtfft i.n t>i.- otht- 



1 certify ihrtt Ih*' ftlMiv^ U iriu- iind cnn>ct lo Ihf b*-*! K>t my knoWlH<1|{«>. 



OlalmantR Si^iiaturv 

U*. KXAMlNKft'H STATKMK.N'T »i>*>«crlbf liK-al iRtxjr market ctmditionn retatinr to the claimant's LK:c-uptition ami vftiKf d«mund. 
i'omment un utl t^ntrie^ im the ulhtr MUte of this frwm which affect claimant's reemployment or reriuJr^ ctarlflcation. AUu cvaiu- 
Hte Ktiilfmfnt in llt-nt 11, if any.j 



X^ /L-^ ^/^.^a^ti^ 







ET 



HuNLEY Exhibit No. 6 — Continued 



213 



LOUISlANA-19 
Flexible Week 






CONTINUED INTER8TA1E CLAIM 



Z. LOCAL 
MAILING 
ADDRESS: 



V<-V. /v-> /) j^ . 



/Jtr-.-C c'H/C>Ai 



\m. or Kami Bant) 

Louisiana 



Have you moved since lut week? pi Yes 

[^Male Q Female 



9. During the weck(s) claimed in #6 and #7 above, did you wort or cam wages of any Und/ r~| 
U "yes", furnish (he information below {or each day you worked. 



OftimaBC name * 


aM wiiu la ihb hn 




«. SSA No. / -^ -^ 
5. IJable Stale ^-'' "* 


3'/ 
□ ucx 


-^'l 


fi. W«»t Ending Date 


7. Week Ending Date 


^^ z^- 


i.5 




^■/s- 


/ 3 





Ve. ^No 



DATE 


EMPLOYER-NAME AND ADDRESS | GROSS PAY AMOUNT 








1 




1 




i 












/ 






/ 





Reason for separation from ; 



t shown above: IjKk of work 




Other* 



D 






to. For the week<i) claimed in .#6 and #7 above, how much 
receive in income in the form of: 

a. Eartiingi {n>m aeU-empkiyincnt? 

b. Commisaton paymenta? 

c. Wages in lieu of notice? 

d. Dismissal or severance pay? 

e. Vacauon pay? 

f. Holiday pay? 
g. Tips and gratuities? 
h Board, or ro-ira, or both? 

i. Railroad retirement benefits? 

j. Social Security (OASI)? 
k. Pension from former cmployen 

including government ajsd armed ftntcs? 
1. Workmen's compensation? 
m. Veterans education and training or 

subsistence allowance? 
n. Educational Assisunce Allowance 

under the War Orphans K<x 1»6? 
For any amount entered in #10. show In #1! REMARKS, the period 



12. Use L. O. stamp or enter L. O. Addnn and No. 



IS. 



II. For the week(i) cUlowl above In ^< aod ^1;/ 

a. Were you tuUy able to work? ^ Yet 

b. Were you available ft>r vt»rk? ]// Yes 

c. Did you rcluae any joba offered you? Q] Yes* 

d. Did you attend achool? Q Yei* 

e. Did you work on a tarm? [~] Yea* 

f. Did you work on a commiiiioo basis? P] Yea* 

g. Were you self-employed? (^ Ye»* 

h. Did you receive, or are you seeking 
bei>efiu under any other Sute or 

Federal unemployment inaurmnoe law? PH Yci* 

covered by payment and employer xasat vaA addma if 

For uae o{ Uabto Sttle 



□ No* 

□ No* 

[2No 



t^^kmblc 



ly^ 



Report every , 



•OjIDU TAKEKi Bi|Mb m Wtm IB4I. tta. llaiBt Eifwt 



HuNLEY Exhibit No. 7 



214 



M OutiRK thr peritxi covered b> (his cUim, explain what you tuvc dofir to lind work Liit cmpkiyrrs, Ubor 



?J0S- -U. ry- .: ■ //^ . ■^^^>y ^/ /y^/^<'^J^r^/A\ .. -^ 



^Y^ 

^ 



PUc« Cunucicd 



^' 



^^ Cxf^/ 



iy,^<.i£/C fid J/'tty 



'S2/:^ jML ^^^^ l^L. 



Type of Woik Sought 



/ M>/:- .^ /e^ 



t-'^' '^''■^Z^.- 



^MA. 



--■- A- 



£jMJjIM^^ ^""^^1 % 




^^■/Cy M^/^ 



'fijff'c / 



13 RKMARKS: Give below any addluooat inforraauun yn any oi ilcps ru, p«rticuJar)y item 10. whicfa require forth 



forther expbiiution. 



1^ 



■w yt^jt-LX- 









<r'/i^-% X 



^ 



^^^/>- ^ y -- /'jr ^/?7. 



16 I hcrrbv regixrr (or work and claim unnT)plc»in«ni iniurance benefits. I am unemployed, able to work and ftvaiUble for wort, ex 
ie(>i as Btaicd hereon I h^ve been infomoKl fha{ I must report as dirrcted to the State EmployiDeni Serrice officr to omttnue my 
rrxiitraimn for wcirk and my claim for bencfitv I underhand that the law pmcribet penalties for fcU»e atatements made for the 
putf)i.*e of obtaining bencfiis iiot due or of increasing bencftts. I hereby certify that tne tfatementi made in connection with thi» 
tljitn arc true lo the best of my knowledge and beliel. ^ 



A 



/ 



A ^'r / /^ .^^-f-t^/^ 



i; CUimani-ln case of mati claim, obtain signarure of nocaiy, kx signatures and addrencs of two aduh witncwa not related to you. 

tl) Signature and addreai .. . . ■.,, 

i2) Signature and addren 

18. 1 hereby wtuie« the lignaiure of thij claimant and certify that he has m«t the^t^ia^^Hb^acuytcportiog reqi 




GMnm tafear'* maatn*) 



7 



HUNLEY Exhibit No. 7 — Continued 



215 



W-25 <R«v. l/10/Sl)-U0OM.80«071(61) 
HISTORY SHEET 



t-^-UCQ I'r 



o^ rtj- 



a ,_ ^ , THE CITY OF NEW YOR 

"^ yVN'^V-nw -faS^a < S DEPARTMENT OF WELFA 



CASE NAME 



I^e 'Oswald 






i-'V-- -i4- 



"inios ''quare ^tel 



BASIC CASE r 



PAGE NO. 



6/13/62 



6/14/62 



6/26/62 



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Mr. Oswald and hl« wife are t8 a repatriation oa-^e whose fare to 
the '^nited taten from *SjBBla -was paid for by our State "epartsient. 
"^h^f arrived on the S, S, iifeandoni on 6/13/62. ^hey had $63 upon 
their arrlml. lioy were brought to our office vtpon their arrival 
by a -nortcer from rayelers-'^id . '^hey were referred overnight to 
the ima.i Square Hotel and iir. 0-wald returned to our of ioe the 
following morning. 

Before leaving our office on 6/l3, a long di«tarc.e call wa- o^aoi^ to ^ 
o"ilert'» brother, obert ^R-^id, 7313 davenport \., ^t. Wroth, ^exa'. 
^r. *^>»wqld informed u" thn t he would taVe out a moytgago on hi* oar 
for »200 and ^end thi" money to. un the f ©''lowing day. 

On 6/"'4, client wap neen in thl» office, ard at fir-t balked at 
using the money sent by hi«' brother, ^e preferred that this money 
be returned to hi« brothar, and that we advance the nxsnsy for trans- 
portation expenses, and he would repay u" when he is able. 6 
•k^rtSS'wt*!* i%a interview of administrator on 6/14/62) 

•^•fter client agreed to una his brother's money for his fare, "ve went 
to the office manager and pdoked up the money order received nAde 
out to ^e Oswald. 

We escorted ^r, O^^^ia to the "^entern ^^nion offioe 428 ^roadway, 
who issued *150 and gave client a check made out for *50, to be 
cashed at the Ist national baWc on "roadway and ^nal. ''e then 
escorted client to the i«t National Bank, where after fir-t being 
told that they eould not cash the oheolc eventually agreed at the 
bank ndnager' 8 insistence that they could cash it. Client was 
issued $50. 

^orker then wont with client to the ^est ide '^irl ine- 'terminal and 
boruRht two tickets previously reserved for flight 821, ^lt« •'^irlinew, 
to ^t. ^roth '^e'lss. ^s were informed that ?he plane would land in 
Dallas, which is right next to ^t. Worth. 

^©rker and client then Tient to ^imes Square Hote"" -^bbre client 
paid his bill, went to his roca to pick up hi-^ wife and baggage and 
infant, and mat worker in the lob'Ky. ■^ this point he had 5 pieces 
of luggage. orker, who ^H^ had seen client with 7 p44oos the 
day before, asked o'^iert what had happened to the other two pieces, 
had ho informed us that he had sent them on ahead, railway express. 
W© helped client and his fauiily and hi" baggage to the street -jrhere 
wo took a taxi to the SSAL^ and checked ciisit's luggage and then 
escorted oloiit to the ^e^ta Airlines building at Idl'swild, remaining 
with '^. "swald until he boarded his plane at 4si5 P-1. orker then 
returned to ^wr ^o^k itjr. 

On this date a sumiAry was preapred to be sent to tato ^o partaenrt 
of Social elflire. ■*■ memo t*s submitted to i^sd. Aud . requesting 
reimbxjTsemflnt for *3.50 inc. expenses expended on this ca^e by 

worker who e« oorted olient to the airport. 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 



216 



VV-2S (Rev. I/IO/S1)-1200M-808071(61) ^^^ 114 
HISTORY SHEET 



THE CITY OF NEW YORK 
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE 




6/27/62 



2 
3 
4 
• 5 
6 
7 

J 
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
15 
16 
17 
.18 
19 
20 
21 
22 

23 
24 
25 

26 

27 

28 

29 

30 

31 

32 

33 
'34 
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40 

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44 

45 
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■ 47 

48 

49 

50 

51 

52 

S3 

54 

55 



'fo raoonasnd thatihln oa«e be olowad, client vrtin transported to 
hi* home on 6/14/62. / 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



217 



\Vi5.(RtV 1/10/S1)-1200M 808071(61) 



HISTORY SHEET 




THE CITY OF NEW YORK 
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE 


' CASE NAME 


ADDRESS 


BACIC CASE NUMBER 


OSWALD, Leo 


PAGE NO. 



6/14/62 



In accordance with Kr. Oswald's request to see the Administrator, he was 
interviewed in the reception rocm, 

Kx. Oswald urgently requested that the $200 sent here by his brother for 
his transportation expenses be returned to his brother. He stated that 
his brother is a dairy delivoryman and that it had been a great hardship 
upon his brother to advance the money. 

h'x, OswaM said that he telephoned his brother this morning and was 
informed by his brother, Robert, that the money was raised by placing 
a mortgage on the car. I-j. Lee Oswald said his brother would be obligated 
to make an immediate repayment of this loeui. I-j:. Oswald would prefer 
that the $200 be returned to the brother, that we advance the noney for 
the transportation expenses, and he would then repay us when he v;as able. 

1-lr. Oswald said that his brother had told him that the family would meet 
him on arrival and that local newspapermen would also meet him as they 
had been informed of his return home. Kir. Osv/ald said that he anticipated 
that he would have difficulty in obtaining employment in a large organiza- 
tion, pe was most concerned about the possibility that he might need to 
apply for some public assistance prior to obtaining employment because 
he sponsored his wife's entry and he wanted to avoid her having any 
difficulties with the Inmigration Department. 

to, Oowald spent three years in the I-'-arines, was stationed in Japan and 
the Phillipinea, and said that he received an honorable discharge. 

Mr. Oswald was so anxious that he not use the money sent by his brother 
that he stated he was considering returning the money aiid using the simII 
portion of his own funds remaining to carry the family as far as these 
monies would permit, and then requesting the local authorities to transport 
him the balance of the way to Texas, l/e discussed with Mr, Oswald that 
that would be poor planning on his part, that it was urgent that he reach 
his destination in Texas for the benefit of his family group, that any 
locality in which he stopped off might contact us and that it would be 
obligatory for us to report about the fact he had the funds available to 
him here for bis return to Texas. 

In view of Kir. Oswald's extreme anxiety to not use the money sent him by bis 
brother, we telephoned i-iiss ^lliott of the ^tate Department and informed 
her of Kp. Oswald's request. 

I-iiss ■'''lliott told us that she would discuss the matter with .the Kew York 
City office of the Department of Health, Education and "'elfare and call 
back. 

She called back later and requested additional information regarding the 
man's relatives. She was informed that to. Oswald has told us that Robert 
is his only full sibling. H e ha g nr*" hni-p-hrr.-t;)^Q-r,Mhr> is a serg eant 
stat ioned in Japan, w ho "has" a wife tmd two children. His only other 
^relative is his widowed mother who has no home establishment of her own 
and who makes her home with the persons for whom she works, moving from 
job to Job as a practical nurse for elderly patients, 

^^f^i^ II m ill I I II . 1 1 . ni l 1 1 . 1. II . ».■ J ii .i» I i . i u . .» ..p. . .».f III. . .! -. '■-- V 
ClElilIriii I'ifi' .III. I II I- 1 

i~ Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 ~" 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



218 



W-iS (RcT. 1/10/S1)-UOOM-80807I(61> .^^.114 
HISTORY SHEET 



THE CITY OF NEW YORK 
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE 



CAGE NAMB 



BASIC CAGE NUMBER 



6/li)/62 (contd.) 1 
2 
3 
4 
5 
6 
7 
8 
9 
10 
11 
12 
13 
14 
15 
16 
17 
18 
>19 
20 
21 
22 
23 
24 
25 
26 
27 
28 
29 
30 
31 
32 
33 
,34 
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36 
37 
38 
39 
■ 40 
41 
42 
43 
44 
45 
46 
47 
48 
49 

so' 

51 
52 
53 
54 
55 



We gave Miss Elliott the information regard ine the flight and departure 
time .and arrival time in Texas, obtained from the Unit. 

KiSs Elliott said that the Health, '^ducation and Welfare office is v/iring 
ahead to the local public assistance agency informing them that should 
Mr. Oswald apply for assistance any funds expended in his care are 
federally reimbursable under the Repatriation Program, Any assistance ex- 
tended will not create difficulties for his wife with the Innigration 
authorities. 

It will be necessary for I-lr. Oswald to use his brother's funds for his 
return' transportation. 

This information was ahared'with Mr. Oswald, He was not completely 
satisfied with the decision but accepted it and accepted the fact that 
at this point the wisest course he could pursue was to prepare hliiself 
and his family for the return flight today, 

cJ^atyT Ruscoll, •Administrator 



/m!LJ!!:';'"ja.!W" 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



219 



PATFi h<i\">^ 




Form W-900'-80M-824118(59) ^/rjT}. 114 
ReT. 12/1/56 

THE CITY OF NEW YORK 
DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE 

APPLICATION FOR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE 

OR 

REQUEST FOR CARE 

TYPE OF ASSISTANCEi 

' \b' ad ADC OAA HR VA HOSP PHC 

lE'nnnnnnn 






k.-> 


CASE NO. 








SSUEDi 
ADC 

D 




ELIGIBILITY PAMPHLET(S) 
AB AD 

D D 


CROSS REFERENCES! 

Name Case Number 


OAA HR 




APPLICANTi 




V-<=i <&*- 




Other family names or spelling used: 




Last Name 


Flm and Middle Names 






ADDRESS: 








Street and Number 




Apt Floor Borough 


Postal Zone 


DO NOT WRITE ABOVE THIS LINE 



I. FAMILY GROUP IN HOUSEHOLD: List single children in order of age beginning with the eldest, married children and their 

husbands or wives and other relatives living in household: 



NAME (First and Middle) 
(Last Name if Different from Family Name) 



DATE OF 

BIRTH 

(Mo-Day-Yr) 



PLACE OF 
BIRTH 



REU- 
GION 



RELATIONSHIP 
(To Whom) 



SOCIAL SECURITY 
NUMBER 



Man \__ <r- 



■k\ 



'^\\^|""^V 



U 



Woman \\\ Cv T V ^i^ c^ Maiden Name 



itnk-i 



^^^c"^Sl^ 



Children and relatives: 
1. 3">OtV\<K_ 



MnlG-2 , M 



4. 

5. 

6. 

7. 

8. 

9. 
10. 
IL 
VL 
13. 
14. 



~* Isaacs Elxhibit No. 1 "" 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



220 



II. I am applying for public assistance or care becausei 



III. We declare that we own or have owned the following assets: (Check either "yes" or "no" in every item.) 



Yes 



No 



No 



Life Insurance ... 

Any Other Insurance 

Real Property - - - • 

Mortgages — Mortgage Certificates 

Lease on Real Property 

Bank Account or Cash 

Safe Deposit Box ... 

Stocks or Bonds ... 



Interest in Estates 
Automobile or Truck - 
Union Membership - 
Lodge Membership • 
Judgments — Claims — Law: 
Pensions or Allotments 
Business Interest 
Other Assets 



We further declare that we have or have had any income from the following: (Check either "yes" or "no" in every item.) 

Yes No Yes No 



Employment ..... 

Relatives and Friends (cash or kind) - 

Lodger 

Boarder --..-• 

Boarder-Lodger .... 

Veteran Benefits .... 

State Sickness Disability Benefits - 

Have you transferred or assigned property in order to qualify for Public Assistance? 



Court Orders .... 
Social Security Benefits 
Unemployment Insurance Benefits 
Railroad Retirement Benefits 
Railroad Unemployment Benefits 
. Workmen's Compensation - 
Other 



We will give all required informafiort to the represenfatives of the Department of Welfare relating to our financial circum- 
stances such as earnings and other income and resources, as well as information concerning our relatives and tfieir ability to 
assist us. 

We will inform the representatives of the Department of any changes in our needs and resources which occur following 
this application. We authorize the Department of Welfare to institute any investigation to verify statements made by us, pertain- 
ing to resources of any member of the family, including information concerning OASI benefits and age.* 



"Any person who by means of a false statement or representation, or by deliberate concealment of any material fact, or by Impersonation or other fraudu- 
lent device, obtains or attempts to obtain, or aids or abets any person to obtain public assistance or care to which he Is not entitled, or a larger amount thereof than 
that to which he is Justly entitled, or does any wilful act designed to Interfere with the proper administration of public assistance and care, shall be guilty of a 
misdemeanor, unless such act constitutes a violation of a provision of the penal law of the Sule of New York, In which case he shall be punished In accordance 
with the penalUes fixed by such law." (L.1950, c.293, eff. March 30, 1950.) 



WITNESS 

(Where signature is by mark "X", it should 

be witnessed) 



SIGNATURE OF APPLICANT 
(Family members 18 years of age" and over who are 
'household must also sign) 




'ipo/fn liousehold mus 



* First person singular understood throughout 
where only one person signs. 



•— Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



744-731 O— 64— vol. XX- 



16 



221 



W-901A' ReT. J/23/S9 

soM.«..jno36(60).^>ii4 THE CITY OF NEW YORK 

DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE 



INTAKE INTERVIEW 



I. Welfare Center Date of First I nterview 

Case Name O^^^V-'^VrV \-^^r^-. Address "^T*. tU<: S ^>'. W. (,,' ^ U. ^->- V 



Person(s) Interviewed \U vT ■ O S^C CI' Vf^' 



II. ^^ 

Referred by: | | Self \£A Other fjpec(fy;__X_01.^2 

I I Cfieck box, if First Application. Reason for Last N.A, Closing or Rejections. 



III. REASON FOR APPLICATION (Record information supplementary to that in Section II of the Application for Public Aisisiance 
or Requestfor Care.) ^S^ ^ ^ ,^^^^^^^^_Jl_ U_._ IoljC ^ to cJI-<-w*J2]^_.^ b ^ . 

^V^<^- \s^^^^-^. -frrrx^ Vi^LiA-^^/ (Lo iS^cJ^ n: [[u^i^^^.s ^ 

IV. AaiON TAKEN 

I I Rejected Date I I Written Notification given to Applicant I I Mailed 

I I Deferred Date Date(s) of Subsequent Scfieduled Interview(s) . 

Lij Accepted for Field Investigaflon-kiLSikl^ate. 



-- T^l Regular I I Urgent 1^1 Emergency 



Reason for "Action Taken"i 



Budget computed on Family Budget Work Sheet and Enclosed I I Yet I I No 

Has Investigation Process Been Explained to Applicant? I ^1 Yes I I No If "No", Explains 



Eligibility Pamphlet Issued by Appointment Interviewer | | Intake Interviewer 

Copy of Instructions to Applicants Issued. I I Yes | | No '^ 



Signature of Intake Interviewer 



V. INFORMATION FOR INVESTIGATOR (Applicant's Absence from Home on a Specific Date and Reason; Any Special Directions 
Needed to Contact Applicant in His Home; efc.^ 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



222 



VI. FOR WHOM APPLICATION IS BEING MADE (Record the name of the eligible payee and his dependents for each type of 
public assistance and check the appropriate box on the same line.) 



NAME 


-..^ TYPE OF ASSISTANCE 

AB AD ADC OAA HR VA 


Va V • -^ u^-<^ c -^ . 


D s '^^3cxJ<ie^,(> 


Q/D D D D D 


Ar 0-\.v_^__ 


e.^0 


D D n D n D 




D D D □ D D 




D D D D D D 



Remarks (Record here any pertinent information about members of the applicant group, not otherwise provided for in this form. 
Include school attendance of all children and information about the identity of unrelated children.) 



VII. OTHERS IN HOUSEHOLD (For those members of the household not included in the application for this public assistance 
grant. Record the name of the individual or that person in the family group with the closest degree of relationship and the 
family composition.) 


Full Name 


Relationship 


Status in 
Household 

rcode; 


Assistance Status 


Case Number 


(Surname First) 


Code 


To Whom 


NR PA 


(If Applicable) 


'^'^ A .- ^ 








D D 












D D 












D D 












D D 





'Remarks (Record pertinent information about others in household.) 



ez 



zs^ 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 



Codes: 







Relationship 




H - Husband 


F -Falher 


A -Aunt 


C - Cousin Prefixes 


W-Wife 


M - Mother 


U -Uncle 


UR-Unrelatnl G -Grand 


S -Son 


B -Brother 


N -Nephew 


St -Step 


D - Daughter 


Sr- Sister 


Ne- Niece 


L -In-law 



Suius in H.H. 



L - Lodger 

B - Boarder 

BL - Boarder-Lodger 

-Other 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



223 



jOMkU-S11036(60) m^^IM 



VIII. HOUSING DATA AND LIVING ARRANGEMENTS 



Apartment, Room or Floor No. 




No. and Location 
of Available Phone 




Living Arrangements 
(Specify from list} 




Landlord's Name 




Address and 
Telephone No. 




Name of Person to Whom 
Applicant Pays Rent 




Address and 
Telephone Noi 




Related to Applicant 
(Specify) 




Superintendent's Duties Perfonmd 
by Applicant (Check Box) 


Yes 1 1 No 1 1 


Public Housing {Q\Kk Box] 


Low r~~I Moderate 1 1 
Cost Cost L 


Rent or Shelter Allowance- 
Amount and Period 




Rent Includes (Code) 




Number of Rooms 




Type of Refrigeration (specify 
Mechanical, Icebox or Other) 




Private Toilet (Check Box) 


Yej LJ No 1 1 


Laundry Facilities (Check Box) 


W..M^ L: R '^'"' NO g 


Unheated, type and 
number of stoves 




Without Gas, (Specify 
Facliit'es Used) 




Rent Control Clearance (Check Box) 


Required 1 1 Not Required 1 1 



(Record "None", if if h known thaf a facility 
does not exist or if the word "none" is other- 
wise the appropriate recording. Draw a line 
through the space if a particular Hem is not 
applicable. Leave the space blank if the 
information is not known.) 



LIVING ARRANGEMENTS 

Apartment 

Boarding Arrangement 

Boarding Home 

Commercial Lodging House 

Furnished Room(s) 

Houl 

Nursing Home 

Private House 

Private Home for Adulti 

Private Home for Aged 

Private Institution for Blind 

Public Home 

Public Home Infirmary 

Residence Club for Blind 

If Other, specify 



CODES FOR "RENT INCLUDES" 



C F - Cooking Facilities 


G-Gas 


CU-Cooking Utensils 


H - Heat 


D - Dishes 


L - Linens 


E - Electricity 


R - Refrigeration 


F- Furniture 


W- Hot Water 



Remarks (Use this space for the recording of verification of rent, if presented or secured during the Intake Interview, collaterals on 
housing made by the Intake Interviewer and any other pertinent housing information.) 






r V. V-A^ V^<?»i-aw li. V— 1 



cJ^ 



\ *- u.- 



^0'CCr;-/v^ 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



224 



IX. MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT (Includo past and present maintenance, any change in the tiluaiion precipitating 
the nsed for this apolicalion and any immediate problem with which the applicant is faced.) 



O o* C£ji_ ^^-^^^^tJ^Z^ is*^-<n02-<Ip jC^OCU-Otr yrX~zrAy^ t'0^(.U."it_ 

^ 1 o L-, - -P^^ ■- ■ - ■<-l 







Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



225 



W-901A' Rct. 3/23/59 
50M Kti-S11036(60) 



X. CATEGORICAL REQUIREMENTS (Record information about and documonlalion for categorical requirements, such as age, 
marriage and termination of marriage, relationship of essential relative. Include deaif) of legally reiponsible relatives. Record 
all information contained In documents relating to obovaj 



U& 



>SL' 



«^<S-<^'- 



If ADC and appropriate, check as requiredt 

I I Applicant Advised of Need to Notify Law Enforcement Official oi Soon as Grant Made 

I I Applicant Willing to Cooperate 

Applicant Unwilling to Cooperate 
I I Form M-982b Forwarded to Statistical Unit 

XI. RESIDENCE (List at least sufficient residence to determine Local or State Cftarga status. List separately only those persons 
requiring different residence verification.^ 



Full Nome 
(Surname First) 



Address 



From 



THJ 



To 



V~ cxrij^e, •v^CA~lV V -^ V-^ 



tUc tf-LU-<-. <-~c-ir (\ 



1%^ L. 



'i-i^ 



Remarks (Record supplementary informatiort and verHieation, if obtained.) 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



226 



VII EMPLOYMENT— PAST AND PRESENT (Record employment of each member of f/ie applicant group. Record chronologically, 
moil raconi omploymont hit. When an item is not known, leave the space blank. When a space is not applicable, draw a 
horltonlul lino, o.g. when omploymont has not terminated, draw a horizontal line in the column "Date Job Ended".) 



\i^lLo<il's Noma 


Nome and Address of Employer 


Occupation 


Full or 
Part 
Time 


Gross 
Wages 


Date Job 
Began 

Mo. Yr. 


Date Job 
Ended 

Mo. Yr. 















































































































































Remarks (Record supplementar/ iitformation and vwificaiion, if obtained.) 



— Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



227 



W-901A* Hev. 3/23/59 
50MkU-51 1036(60) 



XIII. EMPLOYASIUVf AND AVAILABILITY (for each unemployed person 16 years of age or over.; 

A. Employable and Available (Record the names of those members of the applicant household who are employable and 
available, their training and skills, efforts to obtain work, union membership. Indicate whether or not referred to Employ' 
ment Services, If not referred, give reason.) 



B. Unemployable (Record the names of those unemploycAle and reason.) 



C Unavailable (Record the names of those unayailable for employment and reason.) 



XIV. BENEFITS AND OTHER INCOAAE (Record information about benefits, past, present or potential and other income exclusive o 
thai from employment.) 



SffiSS^^SS^ 



^S2k 



IseULCs Exhibit No. 1 

Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



228 



W ASSETS (Check the approprlato box fo indicale v/helher there has been a referral to Iho Resource Consullanl. When the 
^•,^i''lkjnt has checked "no" on every item under Assets on the Application for Public Assistance or Request for Care and has 
ri'iferoJed verbally the non-existence of such assets, past or present, record this information. When there is a contradiction 
between the applicant's statement on the Application for Public Assistance or Request for Care and the statement to the 
Intol^a Interviewer with respect to the possession of assets, past or present, explain.) 



Referred to Resource Consultant 



Dve. □ 



No 



XVI. RELATIVES NOT IN HOUSEHOLD 


Full Nome of Relative 


Address 


Relationship to Whom 


Contributions 
Present Past 


Vlo\^^ ^t 05.W.6.\d 


7'6\3 'D^Oc-a^,, 




ii^C^ {L( 


D D 








D D 








n D 








D D 








D D 








D n 








D D 








D D 








1— 1 [—1 








D n 








D D 








n n 








"' iV 


n D 


— ■ Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 






D n 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



229 



W-901A' Rev. 3/23/59 

50M ■etfSn036(60) .«^;^.114 



XVI. RELATIVES, cont. (Record here all ofher pertinent Information about relatives and friends.) 



230 



,v»'i . yv.^*i.>^*w-*«c?usis«*,i<**a^ 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 

Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



XVII. HEALTH (Record Information about problomt related to the health of any member of the applicant group.) 



XVIII. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION (Record such information pertinent to need or eligibHity and to an understanding of the 
applicant's situation not recorded elsewhere. Also record results of supervisory or consultant conferences as necessary.) 



am*t''Lit''-P'p''»"WBw....www.iij..ii.»»'n.i..^ 
Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — . 

Isaacs Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



231 



RESOURCE SUMMARY 



'«partm«ni of W«lfo 
Bureau of R«sourco 



nd L*goI S«fvic«s 



t^jN^ ^ 



Man's First Name 



Woman's First Name 



Osu^^^Vd} 



L< 



Others (in household) 



M>3(4.-1_ 



"SScaoCl 



No. in 
Family 



Health 
G>nditia 



Aga Varificotion 
for All over Ag» 65 



LIFE INSURANCE: 



Company Policy No 



Kind of 
Policy 



Foe. 
Volu* 



Ag. 
Stotod 



Policy Amount 



Data 
Paid 



Fothar 

Mother Li 

Son Lo 

ate. Wai 



-^ 



0>vj2^ 



UNION BENEFITS: 



» Entered 
Book 



Official No 
of Union 



Date of 

Last Payment 



Nome and Address 
of Local Secretory 



t[ 



Date of 
Initiotioi 



'lame and Address 
>f Last Employer 



^fK^ 



Periods of 
Employment 



Badge or 
Identification No. 



Reason for Loss 

>f Lost Employment 



GROUP INSURANCE: 






Group 
No. 



Name of Employer or Union 
It Appeors on Group Policy 



FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS: 
Nome of Orgonizotion 



nd Address of Secretary 



Dote of Lost Payment 



^^^4^ 



s: 



Nome of Member 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 2 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 2 



232 



REAL PROPERTY, MORTGAGES, MORTGAGE CERTIFICATES, LEASES, ETC.i 

Nomo of Owner Address and Nature of Property 


Boro 


Lot Block 
No. No. 


Section 
No. 




•-^j 












RdV^ 






















BANK ACCOUNTS: ' 

Nome of Bonk Address 


Boro 


Account No. 














r' 






LEGAL ACTIONS (give complete information) 1 


DESCRIPTION OF ALL OTHER ASSETS NOT PREVIOUSLY LISTED (e.g. ijterest and estates, 

tickets, jewelry, and other valuable personal property) 1 


stocks. 


bonds, chattel mortgages. 


paum 


PERIODS OF ASSISTANCE / 



statementXnd authorization 



The obove is a true statement of the finonciol resources of myself and members of my fomily. I understand that I must notify 
the Department of Welfare of any changes in these resources, or of any future acquisition of resources by myself or members of 
my fomily. The Department of Welfare is hereby authorized to conduct ony investigation which may be necessary in connection 
with our resources. The Department is also authorized to give banks, insurance companies, and other agencies such information 
OS may be necessary in order to verify resources or to obtain payment of cloims/toynyself, my heirs or assigns, or to the Depart- 
ment of Welfare. /] //y /\ ytl / 

f3/6 2- 



Signed 




Dote. 



Witnessed; 



"^ <^ . \^^SLSl<^^^s>.^^ ;l<>c .^WV 



RESOURCE ANALYSIS AND PLAN OF ACTION 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 2 — Continuedi 



233 




fo M'c^^Cr 



Departsent of Social Welfare 
Area 6 (Ne« York City Office) 



., MEMORANDUM 

\j^ / tor. NY(^8 (</'7) 

/ Mrs. Janet Ruscoll, Admin. Supvr. Date* 
V*^ Special Services Welfare Center * June 14, 1962 

n.^ Subject: Repatriation from U.S.S.R. 

'^j •* OSWALD, Lee and family Conalstins 

Senior Welfare Consultant of wife and four months infant 



Thank you for bringing the above repatriation case to our attention in your telephone 
call of June 13, 1962 to the effect that Miss Norman of the Travelers Aid Society 
had referred the family to you for possible assistance and possible removal to Texas, 

This will confirm the subsequent information we relayed to you by telephone the same 
afternoon ;following our clearance with the regional office of the U. S. Department 
of Health, Education and Welfare. Miss Choda of that office was dale to advise us 
that the Oswald family was expected on June 13 from Russia via Rotterdam on the 
SS Maasdan of the Holland American line. We understand Mr. Oswald had been in the 
U.S.S.R. for the last two and one-half years and that his wife is Russian. _The 
f amilyj_J^ ^PY. -^s£<^ help, will be eligible under the repatriation^ program according 
jtojbhe_info^i5atipn_£iv©nja8i The~family~was considered destitute although they had 
paid part of their passage hosM, but may need help in going to Texas if the relatives 
are unable to pay passage. The address for Mr, Oswald's mother, Mrs. Margurette 
Oswald, is Box 473, 316 East Donnell, Crowell, Texas, She is said to be interested 
but the extent of her help and interest is unknown. There are some brothers living 
in the same town. 



P.S. Since the above was dictated, we understand that a brother, Robert, 
7313 Davenport, Fort Worth, Texas, forwarded $200 (to supplement the 
$60 Mr. had on arrival) and that the family left for Fort Worth on 
Delta Flight #821 on 6A4/62. 



WMm 



'io^ 



•";■-■■ 



Isaacs Exhibit No. 3 



234 



OCFEacaCE SL I r 






mriii. ro» ccrmNrr 



aCNAflls M AOOITiaHAL IIOUTUC 

yY\._^,ijU. -aAl^ t'^^'^o-^ >i^ajir 



-<t-u-/^^-*i ^ 



lin^ 






±&yj- 



trslassT I2SCC9 



r^.A^/^ 



Ls3 C-rvcT' O^.ald. Is <Io:^JtJi 

ciuuuto? ITsst poach a'sxA ad r:;»r^ dcto, poacji lacolco 

cd roZIstntlcn nrTirr. ' 
I 
ar E=la5=7«a Infoiritlca Onlyi If Oi^all Iniicts oa re j-dcIdc 

ns dtJicaiMp Sostloa 1S55 E-viccd Stciatca p-adudjs Eiibi:57 

Irit . >rin1rt1n s rlcht ia ca rc;crJlc33 c;_t;.a his oypllcatloi pcsdlzj 

SsTlct C» vvi;i.:nT ,t <icd flneil octloa tea retrain Q~za. 



r ' 



Pl/FZA-lSO-OmnOd, Loa Ssxv^ 



Clccr=c:;i E :CV.7. JcaM 

In ssbitcaco p.j:jlir=ccd l^y tolcpb=o 

COTTD— TTTBT. 



p?:iJohn I. iiato 



James Exhibit No. 1 



235 



XZ-/2. (Z) XUL^^ 



' . .: ; . '^'- • ■ 0F7ICIAL USE OUVt ■ T'-' .^ '.. .^ r''\ ■:''-"■ Y-'-t:-:^ 

.'■'■..■• v":; a7 • Robert la'OWon .' -.^ .." "].■ •' -j^ ■ i.-;*- 

..■-■; • ■ _ , ■ \ ■• • " . ■. , . ■■^. '■••- ■; ■-, •• ; ■•■ •!;:■;■■. ■'; ; ,■> .' • 

Iv- *.•_.-.- . •-- operation of Sanctions tnjcsed ty Section 2U3(b) o* tha T 

■ Sosiigration ssd Nationality Act In Caso of liro» Karlna H« Oswald - . 

.!;.•.;• It hna coza to the attention of SOV that In cnprovinrr tho - '. ; ., 

;•'■*■ .petition jyantin? Vjtc, Karina tl, Oo^nld nor.-r,-aoti status ttto " ' •'• :'.' '.. ■• 

•■- -■ ■ San Antonio Dictrlct Offico of III3 did not includo a vaivcr of • ;.. 

■,;. ' tho sanction against tho issuance of tho vion Irposod "by ■ V ,; , ' ' . •. 
."" ' ' Section 2U3Cr) ot ths Irminration end Kationallty Act. It would, ' *. ' 

•. therefore, bo noccsacxy for lira, Oo;:ald to proceed to a tlilrd 

•■.> country and thoro apply for a United States vica instead of ■]]■ ". . ; 

•■■ ■ ■ receiving a viaa at iloacow uhcn her husband. Lea Ilr-nrcy Oc.iald, ■■ • .?..". 
la docusiontcd for a rottou to tho ' US as an Ancrican citizen. 

Leo Harvey Osvald is en American eitlson ^*io defect Cd Itoa ' ".• ' . 
;' tha US and decided to rcoido pcnnancctly in tho Soviet Union. 
llthour^ he nado kncm to tho Er.baacy hia orif^al intention to 
,,■ renounce Arurlcan citiscnship, ho never completed tho fcrr.alitica, • 

;y-; When he bcccne diolllusiorad with life in the Soviet Union, ho 

requested pascport facilltico to return to tho US, After duo eon- " 
ddcratlon- tho Passport Offico nado the decision thit Osuald la' 
**' . still ^n Assrlenn citisen; tho ErJbassy has been outhorizod to issue - 

' ■ \.' Mm a pasqport for return to tho US; and SC3 has authorizcfl a loan y - 

. of $500 to enable hla to travel to the US vith his Soviet idfo and 

recently bom child, • 

••-■ • . ' . *■ • . ..'..' . ' 

SOV boiloYCS it is in the interest, of th* US to get Lee 
Harvpy Oswald and hlo faaily out of the Soviet Union and on their 
way to this country as soon as poselblc. An unstable dinroetcr, ' •■ 

^039 actions aro entirely unpredictable, Oc;rald cay veil rofusc to 
■-.'-'.'. Icava the USSR or oubcoquontly attempt to return thcro if wo dhould ., . 
'*.' ; sako it Inpossible for hln to bo acconpanied fron Koseow by his wife 
.' • and child* 

""■.' > ■ . . Such action on our part also would pomit tho Soviet Oovcrnnciit 
:- '_ to ar^Q that^ althou;^ it had issued an ezit visa to Mrs, Ccuald to 
■ • • '• i»rcvcnt tho ceparatlon of a fanily, tho United States Oovcj-irrcnt had 
■ inposod a farced separation by rofnsinjj to issue her a visa. 

Obviously, this vould weaken our Eifcasiy'a position in cncoura;»inj '• 
positivo Soviet action in other cases Involviog Soviet citizen 
■ rolatlvod of US eltizeis. 
■• ,ir ' ( ■• .--■ . . • \' .' ' ■• -. ■■• • ■ " .•',■' '•■. - 

^-W-.";-' •••■■■• ;v'v .■.■.::"- ■''. -.'■■.■^''.'^^'.■^'i '■■'-■ ■: 

^,'i:-A-' ■■■■'-.: :-':: OFFICIAL USE onur • • : ;' '. 



James Exhibit No. 2 



:i 



236 



• ■■ -2 . 
OFPICTAL USE ©ILT 



Alao to bo considered la tho fact thnt vo ha-vo nrantod a loon' 
of t^QO, sufflcLont only to brinr tiio fonUy to }tou Yoi'^. Thcro Is 
• strong pooaibllity that a llcv Torlc or other velfare agency will 
hfivo to support tho fonily durinet 'a otop-ovi r In Kcw loric and pay 
for their onvnrd travel to Texas oince Osvnld only has a totaX fund 
of $700. A dotour to • third country would require additional 
Onited St»to8 funds, . 

SOT reconmends thot IKS be asked to rocnnsjdar' on an ur;^cnt 
basis its deoision rosarding tho 2U3(e) vaivcr for ^lrs• Oswald. 

Jn Tiew of the foreRoin(», it is recorjncnded that a telegram be 
sont to the fbhasoy at Kosoou adviainf;: it to witlthold action of V0*8 
reeont OH on tho subject 0PERATI0:i3t Case of Mrs* Marina H« 
Oswald. In this oozmoction^ tho ii:iabsssy*'s VIROH Mo. 2li3U of Kerch 1$ 
which asked when a decision on tho petition and vaivcr could be ex- , 
pectedf apparently was raotivated in part by the fact that Oswald is 
using up his funds while awaiting doounoctation. : 






.SURtSOTiVilJaiMSiitp ' ■ 

'• ■ . ' -^ V'^*-. ' "^ •: OPnCIAL USS ONLY 



James Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



744-731 0-64_vol. XX 17 237 



I »«^o-l^&}"^^" Depar^nneiiLt of State . ' . . 




■cirtrrrrftT. n^'? r^Ti.T 



FROM: KOSCCW 
. TOs Saorctarr of Stat* 



^^^ 



:ii--- 



,Dcj>artsssnt*» C:i\r»45 

P1C363 advlco'wbcn daclsion oa petition and 243(C> valvar 
Ico Oswald vlfo cay b« cxpcctQd, 

.'. -."V •-';■": ".!.''• ;■;'.;■ ..;■• '.'".'KCSUEsnEX •••.■• 



-.-.■1 



! \ 



;,J - . • -■•WRODUCTIONIItOMTMIS 

/.;f: V - . emCL''l. USE CrLY coi-r IS PROHiciTjo ■ 



UNUSS •'MNCLASSiriEO-' 






James Exhibit No. 3 



238 



9CA . Hr, KiohOl CiepUnoki 



JSr '11 (2.) s^^ 



;. YO'- . Mr. Kobcrt r* Halo ■••*.■■•.'';;■■,. 

Xknleront Vica. Caso of Kro* Ktrlna ff. OJ-iALD, 

Tbcro is attr.chcd tha Vica Offico Til/s in tho case of tho 
Abovo>ttarK)d alien, in3lu;lin:: a letter r^xaTtcd for your Giijaaturo 
to tko Cosd.ccicr^.J' of IrrdcJ^tloa and JiituralisAtlon anri '•.•'. •;.•• ' ■ . 
a prioriV tclocraa to tho Ii:^o:7 at I^scovr, 

yiVQ* ternXd, n=3 Karixv* JTlcholtcvna Prusalrava, born •luXy 17, 
1SU»1 at MolotOTc!:, tr;:icn of Cc^ict S-::5isliot ncpublicn, I.5 ths wlfo 

, of Leo Tfcurrcy Cc-J-rOd, Kp, Gr^ald, vho wr.o torn Octc'^or 1I3, 152? 
at.Hctf Orlcar-a, icfcotcd to tho CcTlct Ualca in Cotctcr 1W9, c?iortly 
fiftar connlottr^ a tlwco-ycar cnlictncr.t in tho United St-tca lUrino 
Corps* Althca:^ a report frcn t!«s Fcdcnl Surc-'u of Irr/coti2?.tica 
(ccntilccd in tho fllo) stated ho ^^-x'3 hnd no knc-.-n ccntaat with tho 
Cczrruniot Par^ of ivn::rica u-A t^ cuT.tn no 7n*c2livltiC3 for ccmunisn, 
ho otatcd to tho Jbbaosy at lIocccM tJuit ho IntcrJcd to bccc=o a Ccviot 
na^tlcnsl ani to rcv=nl to tho ScTlct autJioritico all t^^ iniorri-itioa 

. ho could about hia trainiiv: !« tho Il.-rir.o Corps as a ra/Iio cpcratcr. 
Jfr. «nrt ?iro« Csri&ld vzro ncrricd April 3'3» 19^1 *^ prcsontly rcsldo 
at Ilinc!:, vhcro a cliild vaa rcccnUy hem to thrra* I'r. Gr-ald hr.3 nou 
bocono dldllaoiorjal *;ith life in t!xo IV.lon of Soviet SooLollct RcpublLco 
and viel:03 to rotum to this oci;nti7 vith his fsaily. 

. This offico rcT^ilcrod an opinion on Ctetcbor 3» l^^l t.\it 
Kr3» Oc^Ald'o caco cculd bo concixJcrcd ur.drr tho pro'.-lciona of 
Section 212{a)(20)(I)(i) of tho Irr.lc:rr.Uon a«a .^tlcn.^lit:/ Act ia 
that her noribrrchip la tho Scrlct Tr^o Cnlon for "cdic^l ■.-.'cr'.rr'ro coiild 
bo ocr.ridcrod lrrolcr.tar7» Tho ?scz7::rt Offico hao rcn^Icrcd en oplnioa 
that yjr» Orjrsld h^o cot crpatrlfvtcd iiir_-;2lf cnrZ n-.y bo ian-i a pn.co- 
port for hla rctsra to tho U!nltcd Stitoo. Tho Offico of ui^coial Ccrv- 
cuLv Corvicco bso authorised a repatriation Ic-^n to Itr. 0-.*ald» Tho 
ScTlet anthoritica biva icsricd czlt dccirrmtatloa to Hra. O-xtld and 
havo indicated that such docintr.trvtioa will bo icccod to Ilr. Ctarald 
. ttpoa oo:;plotion of his travol plans* 

HojrcTcr, tho S?r. tetcnio District Offica of tho I-rd'-raticn 
and 2at?a:alisatloa Scrvico tns nxj rcplicrl to tho Virrx CrXico that, , 
vMJLo it bao apprcTCi tho pctitlcr. c^r.tlnj: Hr:;* Ccnld ncr.7:ot-a 
etctasao an izi^li^rint, it trill not trdvo tho c-r^tiorj; i:rp::-:?d xrAor ■ 
tho prsTidcna of Scotlon Z'Oin) of tho /ot a^dr.-t th.o i::r:^?T:eo of , * , ; 
4=3lcrsat visao in tho Ssvtot lihlca* An (^ioraticno 2!c=;orrjrfur» vaa 

,7'- "j-i-.-.^- '.."*' '-"^ t-^v. ■,• •■ ■ ■■ "" ■ *' . • ■ „',,-i- .■•'•> '"T" "" TcTuaxxled •;'■■.' "^ •■ 



James Exhibit No. 3-A 



239 






CCWFIPENTTAL 
•2- 



for.KirtIcd to tho Eribacry contnlnins that InTorr-Titlon and pslntlng 
out th2.t Itro. Or..'?xld vould thorcToro bo roqxdrcd to apply, for her 
visa in a third coiaitxy. 

S07 hao new rc3C=r.t3lcd that tho Dcprjrtccnt rccjuost Irrlrration 
arf naturalisatlcn Service to rc3cnr.idcr its refusal to volvo tho 
caraticoo. Tho letter to III*. Farroll end tho tolccraa to Ko^cu hav« 
thcrofore bsca drafted for your ci^naturo. 



Attaohscatt ••.-:. 

■.: TifiA (jtffiod fUb oalKariim N. p1 Oswald. 



eoi SC7 « !!l30 Jcrioo 
PPT - I-aso Kni£ht 
SC3 • Kino Van Cott 



\8aiV0:JECrunpjdJb 3/20/62 

. ' .,'-'-ii" : • i COHFIDEWTTAL 



Jambs Exhibit No. 3-A— Oontinuefl 



240 



' .* UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ('/ 

IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE -«-—«-.,• 

;. ; i Washington 29. D.C . y// / ' ^ -2 

. ^^^ .VISA OI'Pl<Sy-i-i' 

Or:;i;A7'I0NG.AND 

. riiociiDUiijjj u;;ancu 

Mr. Michel Ciepllnskl . 

.Acting Adolnlstrator 

Bureau of Security and Consular Affairs ' ■ ■.;'"■• 

'••• Departzcent of State . ■ ■ ! 

-Vashlneton, D. C. 

Dear Mr. depllnskl: 

The Soivlce file relating to the case of Mrs,. Marina N. P. 
v , OsynTfl ^ subject of your letter of liorch 27* 1962, les been ♦ - 
dSrsTblly revleved In this office. 

. ,. ^ On February 28, ly62, the District Director at San Antonio 
; ">;'l_ -wrote the Assistant Director of the Visa Office that he declined 
V;.to valve In Mrs. Osvald's case the sanctions against the issuance 

of immigrant visas in th? Soviet Union ir-posed pursuant to 
': ■ Section 2l^3(g) of the Immigration and nationality Apt. Your " 
' •• .'- letter states that preventing I-lrs. Oswald from accompanying her 
•f .- husband «md child to the United States would weaken the attempts 
■' ■ ,'/ of the Embassy in Moscow to encourage positive action by the 

Soviet authorities in other cases involving Soviet relatives of __ ., 
■ . . United States citizens. Your letter rIso states that waiviiy; of ' ; 
.. - «aDctlons in behalf of Mrs. Oswald would bo In the best Interests 
•■^r- of- the United States, • • r 

. ■ •, In view of the strong representations made in your letter of • • 
' ■ ■ >brch 27» 19<32, you are hereby advised that sanctions imposed 
■ "purstiant to Section 21*3 (g) of the Immigration ond Rationality Act 
aro hereby vaiyed. in behalf of Mrs. Oswald. 

S^cerely yours, 

'\-... . ; Robert H. PvOblnson 

^U II iVl/ li Av.. u.-.; . Deputy Associate Commissioner 

•' ■- Travel Control 




^^ 



James Exhibit No. 4 



241 



k:co:.1!:^g telegram Department of ^f^/2EHMAN£NT record copy 



37 

Action 

VO. 
Info 



FROM: Moscow 



UMTTED OFFICIAL USE 



^ 



EU& ^^' Seoretary Of State 



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Decision needed soonest on re-con8ldera£rbn~243 (iTO 

PCT-rald. Husband for some tine has known visa petition- 
Approved, telephones and writes Enbasoy. frequently to 

find out reason delay* We deemed it unwise discuss 
•'.243 (G) problem as long as waiver still possible, but 

find it increasingly awkward put Oswald off. 

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Poar Mr* FarrwUi 

Tho oaeo of >tr3« Harina II. P, Ocifald has boon broucht to ty 
attention* Mro* Or-mld ia tha wlfo of 7tr. Leo Itirvoy Os-.;.ild, an 

• /Horioan eltlson» and lo applyins for An Imicrnnt vicv at tho 
Enbanoy at IjOcoow, Slio boo boon CT'^^ntcfl oxLt docuncntatlon \t/ tho 
Sovlot outhorltloo and tho rhbicsy ia prripAroi to consldor hor oaso 
under tho provlolono of Sootion 212(a)<23}(I)(i) cC tho Inrdcrfttion . 

' and Rationality /<at* 

• nouovort tho Dopartrrant haa nor; been Informod ty tho Diotriot 

• Diroctor of your Sorvlco at San Antonio that, vhilo tho poUtlon 
•: grantins Mra* Oovald nonquota otatua for Irandsr.int vloa purxosoa 

. has boon approved, tho eanotion ac'^lnot tho losii-inso of lr:?dgrant ' 

- visas in tho Sovlot Union Inponod purcuant to Section 2^3(£:) of tho 

. . Aot will not bo waived* Z should liko to roquoot your reccnsidoration ' 
'; of that daoioion* 

I approclato tho difficulty this case proconta for your Corvico, 
b3oau$o of Ifr* Oo»fald*o backsi-ound, and tho faot that cr^ntin;: a valvar • 
of tho sanction emJroo it appoar that this Govomnoat lo aosiotinc a 

- porcon who I9 not altosothor entitled to cuch aaci.itrnoo* Ilcrrcvor, 
if tlio Dnbaasy at }!occow lo u5inblo to leouo Itro. 0.:ixrald a vin-i, it 
would appoar that oho and indirectly tho Or./aldo» no-.rbom child are 

-■ boinc punlohod for Mr* Oc:Tald»s carlior indlcorotiono. I nlj^ht 
' alfio point out thit thia Covomzaont haa advanced Mr* Osriald a loan 
of $500.00 for repatriation* 

: ' Mora inportant, hovovor, lo tho poocibility tlwt if lira, Ocr/ald 
is not isouod a vlca by tho Ehbascy, tho Govlot Govonnent vill bo 
in A position to olaln that it haa dono all it can to prevent tho 
separation of tho fanily by issuing lira. Oxiald tho roqulrc^i orf.t 

. poraiosion, but tliat tliia Oovorrescnt haa rcf uccd to isct:a hor a visa, 
thaa proventins hor froa acconpaxiyiryr h"r husband wjd child. This 

■■ would woakon tho Eabaosy'a attcnnto to- onoouraco pcoitlvo action 

.. bQT tho Sovlot author! tic 3 in othor cacos involving Sovlot "rolatlvoa 

.. «f Qnitod States oltisons* 



Th» Rohorabla 

, tUorawnd P* ParroU, 
f ,. . Conndaaionor of Snalgration and 

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BocAxise of thoso oonsldorAtlons nnd bocanro I bollovo It is 
in tho boat Iniorosto of tho Uhitod States to hnve Mr* Ocr./:ild 
dopart froa tho Soviet Iblon ao coon no poaoiblo, I rcquoat that . 
tho Sootlon 2fO(ti) scnotlon bo woivod in lira* OowaJd's caco* 

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244 




OUTGOIN'V ' , ( >*_ «™™ , -^ 

wiROM I : *i Department of State- 

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247 



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OFTICIAL USS OMLY 
VQ - }Sr, Joha E. Crunp Kareb 16, 1962 

SOT - Sobert I* Ovon 



Operation of Sanctions 3ii?o3ed by Section 2li3(g) of the 
£3sieratlon and nationality Act in Cass of I-lrs. Karisa N. Os'^rald 



It has C0S3 to the attention of SOV that in approving tho 
petition granting Ilrs. Karina 11. Os^-rald non-quota statua the 
San Antonio District Office of US did not inclTido a '..-aiver of 
the sanction against the issuance of the Tisa irriosed by 
Section 2l{3(e) of the Ironicration and nationality Act, It vonld, 
therefore, bo necessary for Krs, C^vald to proceed to a third 
conntry and there apply for a Cnitrsd States visa instead of 
receiving a visa at I'osccw when her husband. Lea Harvey Cs:-7ald, 
la decunentcd for a rotvtm to the US as an Ai^erican citizen. 

Lee Harvey Osvald is an Aaerican citizen vho doiccted ftoa 
tfcs US and decided to reside perrianontly in thj Soviet Union.- 
Althouj^ he nade knorm to the Embassy his orisinal intention to 
renounce Assriccn citizenship, ho never completed the for::alities, 
Vhen he becata disillvisioned uith. life in the Soviet Union, he 
requested passport facilities to return to the U3. After due con- 
sidaratioQ the Passport Office cada the decision th;at Os>.-ald is 
still an Asericsn citizen; the Eriassy has been authoriaed to issue 
Mo a passport for return to tho CSj and SC3 has authorized a loan 
of $500 to enable hia to travel to the US vith his Soviet vilf e and 
recently bom child, • . : ; " 

- 807 believes it Is in the interest of thj US to set Lee 
Harvey Osvald and his fsaily out of the Soviet Union and on their 
*ay to this country as soon as possible. An unstable character, 
'^vhose actions are entirely ucpredictable, Os-A'ald r^y irell refuse to 
leave the USSR or subsequently attcr.pt to return there if ve should 
Bake it i:90sslble for him to be accompanied froa Hoscou by his vife 
and child. 

Such action on our part also 'ould pemit the Soviet Coverment 
to argue tha% althou'^ it had issued an e:cit visa to ijrs. Or^ald to 
prevent the separation of a fa.-aily, the United States Covcmr^ent had 
Imposed a forced separation by refiLsir.g to ic:nie her a visa. 
Obviously, this vould vealcea our Stbassy's position in encouraring 
positive Soviot action ia other cases involviE» Soviet citizen 
relatives of US citizeES, 

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Virginia Jam«a Exhibit No. 9 



James Exhibit No. 9 — Continued 



248 



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OFFICriO. tSE CE.'LT 



Also to ^© conaldsred Is the fact that vo have granted a. loan 
of $500, sufficient only to briir^ tae fenily to Hew Yoric. There is 
a strong possibility that a IT^w lork or other velfare agency will 
have to support the fsnily chirins a stcp-ov-.r in Mew York and pay 
for their onward travel to Texas since Oswald only has a total fund 
of 3700. A detour to a third country vould require additional 
United StHes funds. 



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S07 rccaT.-.ends, that 123 bo asked to reconsider on an ur<»ent 
basi^ its dacision regarding the 210(g) waiver for IJs, Oswald, 



In view of the foregoinrj, it is rcco-tended that a telepraa bo 
sent to the E-ibassy at lioscow advisinr; it to i.lthhold action of liO's 
recent d on the subject 0?IRX1101l3i Case of rirs, Marina 11. 
Osvald. In this connection, the ihbassy's y.I20'A j;o, 2li3]i of March 15 
i&ich asked vhcn a decision on the petition and vaiver could be ex- 
pected, apparently was Eotivatcd in part by the fact that Osvald is 
Tising vp his funds while awaiting docuscntation* 




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James Exhibit No. 11 



251 



. . . • Novcnbor 22» 1963 

^ •• ■ 1630 . 

To: r>r. A. J. Gill, Dean 

The UaiversiCy ox Texas Southwest era Kcdical School 

Froa: M. T. Jcnlcins, M;D., Professor aad Chairman ' 
Department of Anesthesiology 

Subject: Statement, concemins rccuscitative efforts for 
President John F. Kennedy 

Upon receivins a stat{:alarm that this distinsuiched patient was being brought 
to the emergency room- at Parkland I-Iemorial Kospital, I dispatched Doctors 
A. K. Giesecke and Jackie H. Kunt v/ith an anesthesia machine and rcsuscitativo 
equipment to the major surgical emergency room area, and I ran dovm the stairs. 
On rny arrival in the emergency operating room at approximately 1230 I found 
that Doctors Carrico and/or Dolaney had begun resuscitative efforts by intro- 
'ducing.an orotracheal tube, connecting it for controlled ventilation to a 
Bennett intermittent positive pressure breathing apparatus. Doctors Charles 
Baxter, 1-Ialcolm perry, and Robert McClelland arrived at the same time and 
began a tracheostomy and started the insertion of a right chest .ube, since 
there was also obvious tracheal and chest damage. Doctors Paul I^etcrs and 
Kemp. Clark arrived simultaneously and immediately thereafter assisted respec- 
tively with the insertion of the right chest tube and VTith manual closed chest 
cardiac compression to fissure circulation. (As evidence of the clear thinking 
of the resuscitative team, the patient received 300 mg. hydrocortisone intra* 
venously in the first few minutes.) 

For better control of artificial ventilation, I exchanged the intermittent 
positive pressure breathing apparatus for an anesthesia machine and continued 
artificial ventilation. Doctors Gene Akin and A. H. Giesecke assisted with 
the respiratory problems incident to changing from the orotracheal tube to a 
tracheostomy'' tube, and Doctors Hunt and Giesecke connected a cardioscope to 
determine cardiac activity. 

During the progress of these activities, the emergency room cart was elevated 
at the feet in order to provide a Trendelenburg position, a venous cutdovra was 
performed on the right saphenous vein, and additional fluids were begun in a 
vein in the left forearm while blood was ordered from the blood bank. All* of 
these activities wore convicted by approximately 1245, at which time external 
cardiac saassage was still being carried out effectively by Doctor Clark as 

Jenkins (Dr. Marion T.) Ii^xhibit No. 36 



252 



Dr. A. J. Gill, Dean 

Movcnbcr 22, 1963 

Vczc 2 -'Statcncnt concerning recuscitativQ 

of forts for Prcsidont John F. Konncdy 

Judged by a palpable peripheral pulse. Despite those meacures there was 
no electrocardiographic evidence of cardiac activity. 

These described recuscitativo activities were indicated ao of first 
irnor'cance, and after they were carried out attention was turned to all 
other evidences of injury. There x/as a great laceration on the right 
side of the head (tc.-nporal and occipital), causing a ^veat defect in the 
skull plate so that there ^7as herniation and laceration of great areas 
of the brain, even to the c:ctcnt that the cerebolluiu had protruded from 
the wound. There were also fracnicntcd sections of brain on the drapes of 
the encrscncy room cart. With the institution of adequate cardiac 
conprcssioa, there was a great flow of blood froa the cranial cavity, 
indicating that thoro vas much vascular das^as^ ^o well as brain tissue 
daaasc. 

It Is lay personal feeling that all methods of resuscitation were instituted 
expeditiously and efficiently. However, this cranial and intracranial 
danage was of such magnitudo as to cause the irreversible deia&ze* President 
Kennedy was pronounced dead at 1300. 

Sincerely, 



M. T. Jenkins, M.D. 

Jenkins (Dr. Marion T.) Exhibit No. 36 — Continued 



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Dot., r-3GPmber 10, IQf^"^ 




MP. r.'^.V.LTj L,, JENKINS, ?CBW r'0.1o Station, S900 McCi-ee 
Road, Dallas, Te:-:aa, aciVlacd tie follov/e: "^ 

He has bosn employed as .nowsman for KBOX Radio Station ^^; 
for the past two months, ^^ j 

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On November 22 j .1S63, i'.o nai'tlolpatcd In the covc.:;-^:;^ "~^^' 
of PreBident^JOmi P. KEi-.SDY'B tovi' of Dallas with DAVID KIIIQ — "^ 
UPI, Dallas. He did not '.j-itness the assa 
ICEMED^. He said KING did not vjiirxess Pro 
assassination and KING i;as ^ot in the. Dallas Police Dap. 
basement when LEE HARVEY OSWALD v;as shot, Koveiiiboi' 24, 1963. 

On November 24, 19^3, he was Just enterins the baco 
ment area of th6 Dallas Pblice Djpartment froi?. th3 uoper ,'^ 
floor vjhen OSV;ALD was shot. He did not witness the shooting 
of OSWALD. He recalls feeeing many policemen and prc-ss 
representatives in the basement area at the time of t-he OSV/ALD 
shooting, Idehti'^ies of the policemen and news representatives 
were mainly unknown to him. 

He does not personally knov; JACK RUBY and did not , 
know LEE HARVEY OSWALD. " 

He arrived at ti.- Dall - a Police Department approximately 
4:00 P^M.^ Noveuber 22, ISSS, subsequent to the assassination, 
and v/as at" the police station until early Saturday, IJovember 
23, 1963. He vfas present v;hen OSVJALD v/as brought before press; 
radio and television representatives during the evening of 
November 22, 19^3, to be photographed and intervievjed. Pie 
recalled there v;ere a large number of press representatives 
present in addition to a large nuiiber of police officers. 

After OSWALD was shot, November 24, 1963, he had ari 
opportunity to brief ly^ view JACK RUBY in p^.^.-'son and also saw 
photographs of RUBY in^ the nev:spapers and on television. 
After seeing RUBY on November 24, I963 and the photographs,.^ 
recalled that on the evening of November 22, 19^3, b&tv;cen 
approximately 5j30 to 7:30 P. 11,, he saw a man believed to be 
RUBY on [tihe third floor of the police station. RUBY v:as 
milling around In the crowd' of press representatives and v^as 
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completely filled a:i:G -w-es r^o orT'OWdtcl he oould hardly move 
around. He did not seel rinyor.o wh'o did not appear to be a 
policeman or press rcp.v:iCv>.itatlve. Ha believes he saw RUBY 
talking to an unlcnown man near the third floor elevator 
shaft. He believes RUBY was v/earing a light colored top 
coat and no hat. He did not recall whether RUBY v;as carrying 
anything at the time. 

About 11:00 P.M., the seme date^ v;hen OSVJALD v^as 
p.ade avbllable to the press representatives, he believed 
he again sav; RUBY in the crovjd. He believes RUBY vras 
;:tanding on a table where some car::?3:rai)sn were standlns and 
that RUBY had a pad of writing pai:o:. in his hand, RUBY was 
v/earing a sport Jacket at that tlrae. On both occasions, he 
thought RUBY was Just -another press representative but did 
not recall if RUBY had a press card or other type of identlfi^ 
cation. 

He did not recall anyone checking identification 
when he entered the room where OSWAID was made available for 
press representatives on November 22, 1963* He had not 
left the Police Department during the evening so he did not 
know if persons entering the Police Department were being 
checked for identification. 

On November 24, 19^3 .•> he did observe policemen, 
both in uniform a..d in civilian clothing, checking identifica- 
tion of persons entering the Police Department, Kls identifi- 
cation was checked on several occasions. There vjere also ^ 
police guards at the elevator entrances and at various doors 
leading' into the basement area. 

?Ie recalled tha': when he was in the press room on 
the third floor of che police station during th- evening of 
iiovember 22, I963, he observed several press cards laying on 
a table and he reported same to a police officer, name 
unl^novm to him. 

He does not know of any unauthorized person peraitted 
to enter the police station basement, November 24, 1953, ox* 
the police station during the period of November 22 arid 
lioiVember 23, 1963. He docs not knoW of any person permitted 
to enter the police station without showing identification. 

He has no information that anyone conspired with 
RUBY or that any police officer or other official conspired 
vjith RUBY or willfully permitted the killing of OSWALD. 



Jenkins (Ronald L.) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



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He did not U:llc to RULY on any occasion or see any- 
one talking to RUBY other than the one man whom he did not 
knov/, , 

He has no knov/led^e of any relationship or prior 
acqualhtance between RUBY and OSWALD. 

He said that RC~Z?.T- TI:C:i?SC2I, employee of V/FAA 
television, Channel 8, Dallas, told him he was in the Police 
Department basement when OSWALD v/as shot. 

JENKINS said that SAIf PATE then employed as 
announcer by KBOX Eadio Station, was at tt3 press conference 
November 22, 1963, when OSWALD v;as brought before the newsmen 
to be photographed. 

He said that JERRY KUWKLE, announcer KBOX Radio 
Station, was also at the same previously mentioned press 
conference. He believes THOMPSON, PATE and KUNKLE have all 
been interviewed concerning their observations, 

Mr, JENKINS sdi'd he had no other information concern- 
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July 31, 1963 

L. H. Oswald 
P O Box 30061 
New Orleans, La« 

Dear Mr. Oswald: 

Your letter to tho WORKER has been referred to rr.© for 
reply. 

It is good to know that movements in support of fair 
play for Cuba has developed in New Orleans as well as in 
other cities. We do not have any organizational ties with 
the Committee, and yet there is much material that we issue 
from time to time that 15 important for anybody who is concerned 
about developments in Cuba. 

Under separat e cover we are sending you some liter- 
ature • 

Sincerely yours. 



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Information and Lecture Bureau 

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September 19, 1963 

Lee H. Oswald 
P O Box 30061 
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Dear Mr« Oswald; 

Your letter of August 20th to Elizabeth G. Flynn was turned 
over to mo for reply. Since I received your lolicr of September 1st 
Indicating that you are moving to Baltimore, I suggest that when you 
do move that you get in touch with us here and we will find some way 
of getting in touch with you in that city. 

While the point you raako about your resicloncG in the Soviet 
Union may be utilized by liome people, I think you have to recognize 
that as an American citisca who is now in this country, you have a 
right to participate in such organizations as you want, but at the 
same time there are a number of organisations, including possibly 
pAr Play, which are of a very broad character, and often it is ad- 
visable for some people to remain in the background, not underground. 
I assume this is pretty much ot an academic question aoclr, and we 
can discuss it later. 

Sincerely ;yours, 



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To: North. Amorican Nov/opapGr Ariianoo ^ ^-<2— /- 

From* •^'rlacilla Johncon ' ^ U c 

iiow I have 130611 waiting to do this ono thing. To 
dissolve my American citizenship and become a citizen 
of the Soviet Union," Today, twenty year-old Lee 
^rvey Oswald of Fort V/orth, 'Hbs. Icxas, is in I^'oscow. 
He hopes he s close to his goal. 

With his suit of charcoal gray flannel, 
dark tie and tan cashmere sweater -^ee Looks, and 
sounds, like Joe College v/ith a slight Southern 2C2ekji± 
drawl. But his life hasn't "been that of a typical 
college hoy. ^ '- 

LeeJ^s father, an insurance salenan, died 
"before he vras horn, Kaised in ^e^nis and Louisiana, the 
boy spent two years in ■^''ew York during his enrly teens. 
At 17, ho enlisted in the U.S. i-arines. "I did it," 
he says, 'hz "because- we wore poor and J didn't want to 
be a burden on my mother," Later, he spent 14 months ±21 
as a licensed radar operator in the J^ar Bast, 

This September, his 3-year hitch nearly 
done, the ''^arines gave -'^ee a dependency discharge. 
Just one months later, after an exhausting trip by 
land, sea and air, he arrived in Moscow, to TiTyi. petition 
the Supreme Soviet, highest legislatl^ve body in the 
U.S.S.R., for So vie t"* citizenship . Livi\rLg in I.To scowls 
Hotel i^tropolo on mney ho earned as .a\U.S. ^'^arine, 
Lee Osv/ald waits for an answer, \, 

Even though Russian off ici\lc^\ '^-^vo warned 
him Soviet citizenship is not easy to ol-^^tsAin, Lee already 
refers to the Soviet government as '^my, g^yc.Tameiit ." 
"but," says Jeo, "even if I am not aopcepted, .5 on no 
account v/ill- I go back to th- United States. I's^l'"-!! 
remain here, if necessary, as a residen*.t alien." All 
Soviet officalQ vrill promi^-se tpday is tf;at Lee can stay 
on in EuBoia regardless of whether ho beco^O^c a oitizcn; • 

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286 



lacanv/hilc , they ro "invec;tica-bin£j' the poaoi'bilityybf ^""* 
Gondin^ hir,i to a Soviet higher technical institute. 
At an a^o v.'hen ancry youn^ rehela all over 

what "brought • thia Geriouoj soft-spoken Southern "boy 
to r.Toscow v-ath no other anoition iDUt to spend tho rest 
of hio life as a Soviet citizen? Evidently, it_s a 
comlDination of poverty, the plight of the U.S. I'^egro, 
and tho U«So £tarino3« 

•'Lly raotherp^ says ^eo, "has been a v/ork^r all 
her lifOc S|4Goa a good exc'^..£.la,2 he adds, "of \yhat 
happens to v/orkers in tho United States," He declines to 
elaborate, "At the age of 15," he adds, "after watching 
the way workers are treated in ±hE:-:2 ^''cw York, and 
ITegroes in the South, I was looking for a key to my en- 
vironment „ The I discovered Socialist literature." 
Lee was struck, in particular, hy ^^arx's "Das Kapital. 
he concluded tha.t, as an Ainerican, "I would EJciihKr 
"become either a worker crqoloited for capitalist profit, 
cr en explc'ter or, since there are many in this 
category, '^, I'd "be one of the unemployed," Lee "became 
a Marxist,, Later, as a rnarinc Corps Private in '^apan and 
the Philippines, he "had a chance to watch American 
i'lilitarist imperialism in action, 

Zih-ly a year ago, J^eo "began getting ready to 
;ome to Russia, Using a 3erlitz gramm.ar, he taught 
himself to read and vrrito P.ussian. Never, says lico, 
. a nice-looking six-footer with gray eyes and "brovm 
hair, did he consider deserting the llarine Corps, 

Does it occur to See that Soviet 
officials nay 'oe enharrassed by his effort to "become . 
a citizen of their country at a moment when Rug -".a is 
cvJLtivating good r^aations with ti,e 'United States? 

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287 



TvUCoian officialfj, says -'•ce, "don't encourage o.nd c'^on't 
..iscouracc ne." They v.nrn, however, that neither i^eo's 

v.'i3h, not theirs, will detcnnino v/hcthor hn his , , 

citir.enship n-nplication !7:±3:i: io to "be accepted^ xxxx'' ' 

X2cbdac;ciic::c^x::^i:cA^li^ they've offered 

Lee the sanctuary of a prolonged stay in the TJ.S.S.R. 
■As for officials at the U.S. I^hassy in 
?.Ionco\y, they re torn "betAvorn their desire to £:ivo 
Lee tine to thinlc it over, and their le£vQ.l ohli^ation to 
ciECETiixIii.vXcf hear his oath renouncing Azicrican 
citizenship if he insists. Loe is "bitter at U.S. Consul 
Hichard Snyder, v;ho, he charcec, stalled him v/hen he 
asked to take the oath on Oct. 31, only tine Leej^s "been 
at the Hahassy. As a result, Lee won't go "back there. 
He'll lot the Sovi<^t £;ovcrnrjir'nt handle Ic^^l details 
v;hen, and if, he heco;r.es a.x citif.en of the Soviet Union. 
I-Icanv.'hilc , he As handed over his passport to the Anerican 
j^nhassy. 

Embassy officials adrait they're a "bit 
£pjm. sliy. it's their third case of attcniptcd defection 
this fall. The first, Nicholas ^etru^li, clnccliind: clian/jed 
his mind ahout defecting; junt hefore Russia refused him 
citizenship*. Petroilli had a history of mental illness. 
The second, V/ehster, an enployee of the 

■Rand Co., asked for, and received, Soviet citizenship 
aJtuEE after he had ST)ent- the suiiKier- rac working at the 
U,S, air in I.Toscowc'.s Sokolniki -c^ark. But Ir^ebster and 
Petrulli had had Tnarital troubles back home. 

Unlike V/ebster and Petrulli, Lee Oswald 
has never been married. Plis oge — he v/on't be 21 until 
next Oct. lo — is apparently no bar to renouncing his- 
American citizenship ♦ ^i^ssians comeof age' at 18, 

Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



288 



As for ordinAry Puasinno ho nooto, clo t?iey 
orpreoG Gta'prino at Loc g dcciro to defect? "V.'ell," 
caya LeCj they're very ciiriouD and they ask no v/hy," 
But Liater.iallGt LtUGCovites.; he adds, v^i^-'"'(5"-C'S'tand when I 
Docalc of the idcalistica] reasons that hrou.'icht r.ie hero. 
And they ask me nany questions ahout the rcaterial con- 
ditions of workers in the United States." 

Re^yirdlesG of any Txatcrial shortcor.iin.^3" 
he sees v/hilo he's hc-Oj Loc insists he'll never go 
hack to the ibriii^-ittxl'i U.S.A. "EiniiCpration, " he says, 
"isn't easy« I don t reconmend it to everyone. It 
laeans comir." to a Tie'.'! country, al\7ays beinf; the outsider, 
always having to adjust. But to me, my reasons are 
r±a:>r::^p:siii:ix?-cLaii strong and good. I "bclievo I'm doing 

^ie^"^^" won't 

That's why X^ee itaE.Kni± take any jiiians calls 

v;hen his mother telephones from Fort V.'orth to hog him 

not to defects 

Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



289 



Interview With Suspect Oswald in Moscow in 1959 

■ ^Tlke Stuff of WMcfi 



* The ciithor 'd'as Mojcow Ccnesfondcnt for ^'AXA 

in 1939. A few \ca>s before, in 19::, she had ieen research 
cssistant or, J'iel Xa;n- for Johz p. Kennedy, then a 
senator. She is perhaps the only pi'son to have been good 
friends '.lith both the late President and his suspected 
cssassin. She is today a frec-hnce writer on Soviet affairs. 

By PKISCILLA JOHNSON 

(Cojrrlth!- !?"3. P»>Imi Globr. Nimh At-!tlnii NfMip.rtr AMI. nee) 

CAMBRIDGE, Jlass.— "For r'.-o years now I have 
been v.-aiting to do this one thing. To dissolve my 
American citizenship and becc.-e a citizen of the 
Soviet Union." 

The time ^vas November, 19"0. The plaii- -.vas my 
room on tlie third floor of ^losciw's Hotel '?tropol. 
The speaker was Lee Harvey Oywald, pri suspect 
in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. 

V/ith his suit of charcoal gray flannel, dark tie 
and tan cashmere sweater, Lee looked, and sounded 
like Joe College with i slight southern drawl. But 
his life hadn't been that of a typical college boy. 

His father, an insurancesitlLis alone in his hotel room, 
faksrean, died before he was'jui-. r:e floor below mine at 
born. Raised in Te.xos and the TVtropol. Ke had no 
Louisiana, the boy spent two friencs in Russia and he didn't 
years in New York during his speak a word of the language, 
early teens. At 17, he en- The o-ly sightseeing he'd done 
listed in the U.S. Marines. ^was U "Detsky Mir," a chil- 

"I did It," he said, "because dren's store one block from our 
we were poor and I didn't want hotel. He'd managed to buy 
to he a burden on my mother"'an ic; cream cone "here, he 
T-5'er, he spe.it 14 months as told r-.e proudly. I 

a licensed radar operator ini ■' 

the Far East. ' As we sat in my hotel I 

In .September, ID.59, his room all evcnin? and into I 
th.'ce-ycar hitch nearly done, the e:-rly hours of morning, I 
the Marines grfve Lee a de- he t;5-.r;d quietly about his i 
pcnd-incy discharge. Just one plans to defect (o Russia, j 
month Ir.trr, Ciftcr a.n e.Nhaust- Ilone'tr. I soon c.inic to feel > 
in| trip by land, sea and air.^ that Itis hoy was of [he stuff p 
he arrived in .'.:qscow to pe-, of whMi fanatics are m.irie. 
tilion il-.e S'.:prcme Soviet,! , i 

hifh';-t Icjisl.-.tivc br.dy in Ihej Ever, though Russian ofRcial^' 
b.S.S.R for Soviet citizenship, uarnc: hi,-i Soviet citizenshi) , 
^n.Vf ran.-xtic 'i.^ not '::.,•/ to obtain, Lee waii 

Fc- ci.'iyj, Ov.vaid had been a): cad; !>:'>.rr:ng loth" ■;-■■■ 



Government as "my govern- 
ment." "But," said Lee, "Even 
if I am not accepted, on no ac- 
count will I go back to the 
United States. I shall remain 
here, if necessary, as a resident 
alien." 

All Soviet olTicials would 
promise at the time was that 
Lee could stay on in Russia 
whether or not he became a 
citizen. Meanwhile, they were 
"investigating the possibility 
of sending him to a Soviet 
higher technical institute." 

.^t an age when angry 
young rebels all over the 
world find release in ap'mg the 
beatniks, what brought this 
serious, soft-spoken southern 
boy to Moscow with no other 
ambition but to spend the rest 
of his life as a Soviet citizen? 
Evidently, it was a combina- 
tion of poverty, the plight of 
the U. S. Negro, and the U. S. 
Marines. 

"My mother," said Lee, "has 
been a worker all her life. 
. She's a good example," he 
added, "of what happens to 
workers in the United States." 
He declined to elaborate. 

"At the age of 15," he added, 
"after watching the way 
workers are treated in New 
■york, and Negroes in the 
South, I was looking for a key 
to my environment. Then I 
discovered Soci. ' t literature." 

Lee was struck, in particu- 
lar, by Marx's "Das Kapital." 
He concluded that, as an 
American, "I would become 
either a. worker exploited for 
capitalist profit; or an ex- 
ploiter or, since there arci 
m.any in this category, I'd be' 
one of the unemployed." Lee I 
'jecsme a Marxist. / 

Later, a; a Marine private; 
" JaT-' :-\:{ the Philipri'-'" ' 



he "had a chance to watch 
American militarist imperial- 
ism in action." 

Year's Plaiiiiing 

Fully a year before, Lee be- 
gan getting ready to go to 
Russia. Using a Berlitz gram- 
mar, he taught himself to read 
and wri'.e Jiussian. Never, said 
Lee, a nice-looking young man 
with gray eyes and brown 
hair, did he consider deserting 
the Marine Corps. 

Did it occur to Lee that So- 
viet ofRciais might be embar-i 
rassed 'oy his efforts to become 
a citizen of their country atl 
a moment when F-ussia 
cultivating good relations with 
the United States? 

Russian olTicials, he said, 
"don't encourage and don't dis- 
courage me.'' They warned, 
however, that neither Lee's 
wish, nor theirs, would deter- 
mine whether his citizenship 
application was to be accepted. 
They said it depended on tlie 
"over-all political atmosphere 
at the moment." Meanwhile, 
they offered Lee the sanctuary 
of a prolonged stay in the 
U.S.S.R. 

As for oiTirials at (he U.S. 
Embassy in ."Moscow, they 
were torn between their de- 
sire to give Lee time to think 
it over, and their legal obli;a- 
tion to hear his oath renounc- 
ing American citizenship if he 
insisted. 

Lee was bitter at U.S. Con- 
sul Richard .?n\der, who, he 
charged, jlalied him when he 
asked to take the oath on Oct. 
.31, the only time I^ce had been 
at the Embassy. As a result, 
Lee wouldn't go back there. 
He would let the Soviet gov- 
ernment h.'indle le^-'al details] 

'rp. .-, ' .'. ! c " • -..-.c a cit-1 



Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 3 

The Boston Sunday Gloh'e— November 24, 1°;.3 ~ l^) 



aiiatics 



izen of the Soviet Union 
Meanwhile, he handed over hi- 
passport to the American Em- 
bassy. 

I asked Lee if the ordinary 
Russians he met expressed sur- 
prise at his desire to defect. 
"Well," he said, "they're very 
curious and they ask'me why. 
But materialist Muscovites'," 
he added, "under- 'and when I 
speak of the ide stic reasons 
that brought me here. And 
they ask nie many questions 
about coi-.'iitions of workers in 
the United States." 

'Never Go Back' I 

• Regardless of any material 



[shortcomings in Moscow, Lee|he answered when I knocked 
insisted he would never go at his door and why, a few 
jback- to the U.S.A. "Emigra-, hours later, he came to see me 
jtion," he said, "isn't easy. I in my room, I never learned, 
don't recommend it to every-l 

one. It means coming to a As our conversation drew 
;new country, always being the| to a close— we ate nothinj, 
outsider, always having to ad-i a„,i 1,3,1 (jeen sinjiiiig onlv tea 
I just. But to me, my reasons _i i,r,(i a terrible feeling of 
are strong and good. I believe^ futility. Disilluiion, I was 
I'm doing right." sure.awaijed him. 

That was why Lee wouldn't 
answer the phone when his! As he was leaving I asked 
mother was calling from Ft. [him to come see me again. The 
Worth, trying to plead with Russians, Oswald told me. had 
him to return home. He had' warned that he mustn't talk to 
refused to speak to any Amer-^.^kmericans. But he promised, 
ican correspondents. Just whyibefore closing the door, tha 



he wouldn't do anything deri- 
sive without at least letting 
me know. 

j Two days later I went to the 
second floor "dezhurnaya" — 
the woman who sits near the 
elevator and hands out keys to 
each room — and asked for Mr. 
Oswald. Her hands flew up in 
a know-nothing gesture. "He's 
gone," she said. 

I'd wondered what had hap- 
pened to him since. Now I 
know. 



-.1 



Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 3 — Continued 



290 



Oo'^^aM IiiiiLsryleiv in R^ieGco^^v Recalled 

,vV„-i-' J ; ™ T •■ ••-"'"-'"<-*» IJ'l.lCCH.ll. Ill I^UII^^ J.IUU ppopip generally were begin- 

\\ 11.11 Kino 01 n.ttn was i^cc r ■•■ ■ . ■■ i ■ - . .. — . - ,. . . w -,. , . , .,. . : -i — ninn ti-. rif,^^r>t it ik^.i* iK-^t 



Call for Control 



Oll'lr 



roics 



Did this ndrniltcd Miirxist^' pi,t t)-. 



. . he [ 
liiKk'd- \Jov 



l■k^:l 



ning to suspect at about that 
rcvcnl a fondness lime that the Cuban leader 

- was a Communist, 
she recalls, "a very 
.■oung man at first 



Som 



poiit 



paMeof <hoo1in3tho>ie5idcni;nerdcTto''^^^^^^^^^ foTlhis' a'c"! pl/uTsibli'\-ounr man a1 mS „ No Mention of Cuba 
of the United Slates, as Dallas, (ihe £i<a>sination), \ bUjth. He was very consorva- "^^ never once during the 
'■He saved cvcrv pennv .he lively dressed. He talked ex- scvcn.hour interview did Os- 
carned in the Marines for the trcmcly quietly, and I rather J'-'^'" rnenlion Cuba or Castro, 
trip to Russia," she said, "and hkcd him. and it was because Ihough he later became cjiair- 
he warrlcd an early discharge this conversation went on for "^^n of a Dallas branch of Fair 
so he toiild get there a little so many hours that I saw how Pla/ for Cuba, a left-wing, pro- 
Few people really seem to .'faster. ''.Vithin two d3ys of his bitter he was. ... I saw his Castro group. 

known the 24-ycsr-old; djschai^c he was on a boat for coinpletely jj^vcn_knQ>ykdse_. After talking a good deal 

he So. ict Union. ^*^^>J,L .^^ifD^'sm, which he about Marxist philosophy as 



ed John \ 
dy last Friday — just 
two days before he was simi- 
larlv shot and killed as the case 
took on a bizarre twist. , 



New Orleans native well. Most jhc So. ic 
dc.-cribe him as a quiet sort of / or ;„,. 
a person, one who did not mix f , ^„^ "■■, 



think this is the kind 

that might ... he 

KC gone about it in a 



ell— a loner. He gave few th 

opportunity to really under-. I^olu" •v;!,^ 
,,.'1jl;_'' ' 1 methon.cal 

stcnd him. I kg ,^_j.^ 

But in a rare moment f'fikieeded to k.,„.,. 
garrulousncss he gave one [ 
American such a chance. She Reports Dovetail 



.vhatove 



_bout Ttlifrxij 

claimed io tc acting 

name of. 
] Hatred Detected 

> "As he talked, you know, 
/tot the idea that he didr 
'Know Marxism at all well 
'although he claijiied "he'd been 



derstood 
one point: "I have had practi- 
cal experience in the world. I 
am not an idealist completely. 
I have had a chance to watch 
military imperialism in action," 
Miss Johnson recalled. 

, ,H r K Mr description dovetails ^^V.^j^^^;j^j;^/i;',^^,,;3- j,, j^^,,, ha5^een^rem1.ndous' p'oVe'nJ 

fhrounh^'T'two'vea'/ stint 1^ ''''''' ''' '^^' ^^^^^^ ''''' ^''^ Ma. xism so poor^hat I knew in the United Slates, and he 
as a correspondent for o" ^^^'^^} 20 of this year Os - — -' --- -" -'- 



Miss Priscilla John 



and 



dovetails ''v,'!>:;"s " =^;!!".!i 



prvillc. r.Xass. 

■flic Masscirhustlls Cliicfs 
of Police A5;so(')atEon szid . 
SutHhiy (lie abS.-issin.-ilion of 
Prcsirtciil KciMicdy accciils 
a ntcd (or federal lc£islalion ' 
to control interstate sale of 
tlrrarins. 

Clilef Thomas J. CBricn 
of Soinervillc, chsirniau of 
the association's Icsislalive 
conuiiittcc, asked Hep. Thom- 
as O'Neill Jr. (D) of Slassa. 



cliiisclts to 



rodi; 



the Nor'ih Amerit 
Alliance. 



Yspapcr 



1 ;\Iosco\v 



(he 



•fro 



Kcnn 



ilh 



said, 



Intcrv 
The time was i 
ber, 1S59. The pla 
Metropole. jMosco 
hold for forcis'ic 
Osv.ald had ai 
Soviet Union on Oct. 30 that „isi as -Icii 
th the announced inten 
socking Soviet citizen 
ship. -i , N.^. 

" Massachusetts 



asumcd 



shot du 



in Dall 

bitter, Miss Johnson 

isl "capitalism" and 

"worker exploitation" in the 

the United States— classic Commu- 

Marxist phrases. 

y But he never expressed any 

7 hatred cf the presidency or of 

. I John F. Kennedy, th 



Senator. 



Ten days later 

now doing research at Harvardrjidn't V=c'ak"about "polilVcs 

for a book, learned he wasVpersons'; way." 
staying at the hotel and asked it V 

he would give her an interview. Capability Indicated 

He said he would, and they Durir^ their long convcrsa- 
' talked quite freely for seven tion no:.".ing he said indicated 
j hours. he favcred using murder as a 

I The impression of Oswald politica; weapon. 
I that emerges from that meeting "But from our conversation, 
is one of a youn,- man inlenselv ' could sec that he was a man 
bitter at the Uniicd States, who capable ot a whole lot" becau 
displayed absolute single- "'.h'S f.aawing bilte 
mindedness about v/hatcver he -2'°- 



been hatred of had been shocked by the pli; 
the United States, rather than °' 'he Negro." 
a real understanding of what But again and again he re- 
ho was doing" that motivated turned to theoretical .Marxism. 
him to renounce his American "He said he'd become a Marx- 
citizenship and attempt to be- 'st at 15," Miss Johnson re- 
come a Soviet citizen. called. 

"Also," she said, "he taught Bid (o Escape 

himself to lead and write Rus- "."^fler five years of reading 
sian from Berlitz [School ot socialist literature," he told her. 
Languages], but he said he had "observing treatment of minor- 
a lot ot trouble speaking it, ity groups (Communists, Ne- 
and he seemed to be quite groes, and workers cspeciallv) 
helpless. watching the treatment 'of 

"He sat in his hotel room, workers in New York and sce- 
and his mother would tele- ing how they're exploited — I'd 
phone from Fort Worth and read about it in socialist litera- 
not to detect, and he ture and thought the deserip 
just •• 



l! Icsislation. Mr. O'Neill's 
8th District includes the city 
of Somcrvillc. 

"The present weaknesses' 
in our laws thai permits 
criminals and irresponsibl, 
individuals to obtain fire- 
arms from Avithout their 
state of residence in order to', 
circumvent the laws of that , 
state . . . must he remedied," 
.'Mr. O'Brien told Mr. C'.Vclll. : 

The police chief's key pro- i 
posal would "prohibit Iho 
sale, rental, or lease ot 3, 
firearm by dealers v.ithin the 



atcs toi 
stale wh 



csident.i 



of that 
complicti 
rules, and regulations of 
their stale of residence per- 
taining to the acquiring of 2 
firearm." 

The proposals would apply 



pho 



vouldn't 



"My 



olhc 



he told h 



ttempting to d . — . - _ - _ ■ ^ -,. ,* 

to obtain Soviet has been a worker for her buy himself 

citizenship! " whole lite.' She had to produce 

Is this the sort of man who Profit tor the capitalists, and is 

might have assassinated the a Eood example of what hap- 

President' Pens to v/orkcrs in the United 

... ,' ,.. , ^ „ . States." >i 

Sm:lc-Minded Drive ••But," she added, "he 

^ "It struck me," Miss Johnson wouldn't say what work she 



A Trip (or Ice Cream 

"He wouldn't go out at all 
into Moscow. And he told me 
that the one expedition he had 
made had been to a children's 
she store only one block away, and 
he recalled that he'd 
to gel there by hiii 



tion was o.uite correct. 

He indicated he wanted So- 
viet citizenship primarily to 
escape the United States society 
he viewed in such a light. 

"Since I'd cither be a worker 
exploited for capitalist profit 
n's [in the United States] or else 
nd an exploiter," he had said, "I'd 
;ed [have been] one of the uncm- 
nd ployed" rather than assume 



in the 



! "he ' 



^^id, "that probably when 



' Ncithci 



ther role 
owds." At the t 

At this point he had been in /bitter against the Am( 
the Soviet Union about 10 days. Embassy," she said, "be 
e didn't know Russia, and (they would not allow h 
•asn't \ci.v curious about take the oath renouncing hi 
place," .she said, "even citizenship, 
hough he was defecting to it." "They would not accept hi 
Fidel Castro had been in passport until the Soviet Gov 
expert lower in Cuba for almost a crnmcnt confirmed the {Tranl 



ing to him of Soviet citizen- . 

ship, and the Soviet Govern- ; 

ment didn't. He was worried I 

when I talked with him." ! 

Their talk was deep and cor- , 
dial. She found him troubled, 
plausible, and unknowingly 

^•^Hc-Hlver saw him again. J 

He told her "once the Rus- 
sians accepted him he would 

give me his [full] story 

He promised to con^c and talk * 
with me before he jumped the 
hotel and went to live as a 
Russian, 
to "About two days laler I went 
down to Uic floor where he 
lived and asked for him, and 
they just threw up Ibcir hands 
and said, 'He's gone.' He van- 
ished without a trace* 



Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 4 



291 



VII - 5(15) 



December 5, 1963 



PRISGILLA JOHX^SON'S RECOLLECTIONS OF 

INTERVir:'.'' l-.ITH LEE IIARVEY OSWALD 
Iin: MO^::^.C;^^ NOVEMBER 1959 

(Miss Johnson's own thoughc nc baglnhing) 



I have frequently thought about Oswald in connection with doing 
an article on defectors to the Soviet Union. Most of the defectors 
who came to Moscow while I was a correspondent there (1958-1960) came 
because of personal troubles they were having at home. They did not 
come or purport to come for reasons of ideology. Oswald was such an 
exception to the general run of defectors that I had been thinking 
about him ever since. I thought that the unideological quality of most 
of the defectors was a symptom of what had happened to the Soviet Union 
itself. It no longer seems to appeal to potential defectors for 
ideological or idealistic reasons. The type of person who is attracted 
to Soviet Russia today reveals a good deal about the Soviet Union 
itself. The Russians had wanted one or two defectors from the United 
States exhibition of 1959 to counter the negative propaganda they had 
been suffering from the more or less frequent defection of East bloc 
persons to the West. But they were not eager to have such defectors 
as Oswald. They can take them or leave them and at a moment of history 
like 1959 (the spirit of Camp David), could even be embarrassed by them. 
The motives of a man like Oswald might be jejeune but they are more 
idealistic than those of most defectors nowadays. Precisely because 
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 5 



292 



- 2 - 



they are realistic, however, people like Oswald are tricky and hard to 
handle. The Russians don't fully understand or trust the person who 
comes to them out of self-styled idealistic motives. This may be a 
mark of the Russians' own low self-esteem. But above all, it shows 
how Soviet society itself has changed since the 1920 's or early 1930 's. 
From experience, Soviet officials know that such a person can become 
bitter and turn against them. A defector like Webster who came only 
because he was trapped in an unhappy marriage at home and fell in love 
with a Russian waitress is easier to deal with and not so hard on. the 
hosts' self-esteem. Those were the thoughts I had about Oswald after 
I had interviewed him, considerably after I interviewed him, but years 
before the assassination; they were ideas I had noted down with the 
aim of writing a piece on how the changing profile of the defector was 
a clexj to the changing profile of Soviet society itself. I thought, 
however, that I had not fully comprehended Oswald. As he was the key 
to the piece and the inspiration of it, I had not written the article. 
But I had thought of Oswald often. 



Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 5— Continued 



293 



- 3 - 



The interview took place about November 12th or 13th, 1959, on 
what I believe was a Monday night. 

Lee Harvey Oswald, 20, of Fort Worth, Texas, born in New Orleans, 
went to the United States Embassy on October 31, and 

JissolvcU i.iy /jucrican citizcuahip as much as they would 
let me at that time--! did request that my citizenship be 
dissolved. The Embassy officials did not allow me to swear 
an oath renouncing citizenship. They refused to allow me 
to take the oath at that time. They said they would not 
allow me to act without confirmation of my Soviet citizen- 
ship. I relinquished my passport and they would not act 
unless my Soviet citizenship was confirmed. 

This is what he said first. I asked him about the official Soviet 

attitude and he said: 

The Russians had confirmed that I would not have to 
leave the Soviet Union or be forced to go even if the 
Supreme Soviet refuses my request for Soviet citizenship. 
They have said they are investigating the possibilities 
of my continuing my education at a Soviet institute. 

And then he said at 17 he had entered the Marine Corps and been dis- 
charged in September, having spent 14 months in Japan, the Philippines, 
Indonesia, and Formosa, that he was a radar operator, and that he had 
finished his high school education in the Marine Corps. His birthdate 
was October 18, 1939. He said he had been in the Marines 2 years, 
9 months, 3 days, overseas 1 year, 2 months, 24 days. He said he had 
been born in New Orleans, spent his childhood in Louisiana and Texas, 
spent 2 years in New York, and then gone back to Louisiana, enlisted 
in Dallas. He said his father died before he was bom. "I believe he 
was an insurance salesman." (This, in response to my question as to 
Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



294 



- 4 



what his father did. I v/as struck by his vagueness.) He said he had 
one brother, that the Marines had given him a good conduct medal, and 
that his mother was alive and living in Fort Worth. Then he said he 
had started learning Russian a year ago "along vith my other preparations" 
for coming to the Soviet Union. He said he had been able to teach 
himself to read and write Russian from Berlitz but that he still had 
trouble speaking the language. (I believe he spoke very little Russian 
at that time.) I asked him what method of Berlitz was he using, was 
he using text books, or was he actually attending classes, and he said 
he had both practice in speaking the language and a teacher, but he 
was either being vague or elusive as to how he learned Russian. Perhaps 
he was bored with just telling me about that. I asked him how he 
financed his trip to the Soviet Union and he said he came on money 
which he saved while in the Marine Corps. I asked him if he had made 
or was going to make any formal statement about his defection and the 
reasons for it, and he said he would not. Hesaid that if the Embassy 
had not told people about his defection (the American Embassy) he would 
never have said anything to anybody. But since they had, he was giving 
me an interview because 



I would like to give my side of the story--! would like to 
give people in the United States something to think about. 



(In retrospect, that is an important remark. It may have some bearing 
on his motives in the assassination. Also it reveals his sense that the 
Johnson ( Pkiscili^v ) Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



295 



- 5 - 



Er.ibassy might be persecuting him, might be spreading unpleasant reports 

abou^ him.) He said. 

Once having been assured by the Russians that I would not 
have to return to the United States, come what may, I assumed 
it would be safe for me to give my side of the story. 

(So long as he felt there was any chance that he might have to go back 
to the United States, he apparently did not want to jeopardize his chances 
of staying in the Soviet Union by talking to a foreign correspondent,) 
Until they assured him that he could remain in the Soviet Union, "there 
was always the possibility that my visa would not be extended," The 
Russians had told him that a special law had to be passed by the Supreme 
Soviet making him a Soviet citizen. There had been a Supreme Soviet 
session in late October. It had taken no action on Oswald's citizen- 
ship and he appeared disappointed by that and worried. He said that 
Soviet officials had warned him that 

It is not my wish nor even that of Soviet officials, but 
the over-all political atmosphere, that will determine 
whether I can become a citizen. My citizenship may take 
years but I am safe in the Icnowledge that I can have a 
prolonged stay. 

Then I asked him what position the American Embassy had taken on his 

defecting and he said: 

They warned me about the trouble I could get into: 
(1) At first they tried to discourage me; (2) I asked to 
be allowed to take oath renouncing citizenship and they 
made excuses so as to refuse to let me take the oath. They 
said I should come back fully knowing that I cannot get 
into the Embassy without a passport; 

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(Oswald had handed in his passport t;o the Embassy, in fact he could 
get into the Eiubassy as an obvious foreigner without the passport but 
this v;hole passage is indicative of his bitterness at the Embassy) 

(3) ac CUe Ciiae I became a flovio '- r.itis^en thon ^■'niy 
government" (the Soviet government) v/ill handle my 
■renunciation through the usual diplomatic channels. 

Then I guess he said he was bitter that the American Embassy refused 

to take his oath. 

I was there on Saturday, October 31st. They re- 
fused to take the oath on the ground that the consular 
officer needed time to get the papers together.' I told 
them I wanted to go through v/ith the formalities then and 
there. I can't be too hard on them but they are acting 
in an illegal way. He (the U.S. Consul) is supposed to 
carry that formality through. On November 1st 1 wrote a 
letter of protest to the American Ambassador on the way 
Snyder carried out his duties and I get this letter back. 

And then he quoted me the letter: 

It is a principle of the American Government that 
the right of expatriation is a natural and inherent right 
of any person and that the manner prescribed by law for 
the renunciation of American citizenship is the execution 
of oath before a diplomatic or consular officer of the 
United States in the established form. 

You are again informed that you may appear at the 
Embassy at any time during normil business hours and re- 
quest that the Embassy prepare che necessary documents 
for the renunciation of citizenship. 

(I don't know whether he showed this letter to me or cited it from 

memory.) Next, I asked him the attitude of the Russians. Were they 

encouraging him or were they discouraging him to defect? He replied: 

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The Russians are Creatine it like a lc3al formality. 
The don't encourage you and they don't discourage you. 
They do of course warn you that it is not easy to be ac- 
cepted as a citizen of the Soviet Union. But even if I 
am not accepted I would not consider returning to the 
United States. 

I then a^akud him about his financca, wlicti-.cr ho had bousht tha $30 a 

day Intourist vouchers and whether he had been able to afford it. He 

said he had bought ten days' Intourist vouchers. He said, 

I am paying the standard room and food rate. I want to 
make it clear that they are not sponsoring me (financially). 

And he repeated "they are investigating the possibility of my studying." 

He had indicated that he had been irapatient to get out of the l-larines 

to come to Moscow and I asked him whether he had ever been tempted by 

the idea of deserting the Marines. He said, 

I didn't desert because (1) it is illegal; (2) for 
financial reasons; and (3) you can't get a passport while 
you are in the Marines. 

I asked him why he hadn't resigned from the Marines since he was in 

such a hurry to get to Russia, and he said "you can't resign of course 

(he laughed rather bitterly at this point) --^ that is for officers." 

He said, "I never seriously considered deserting," Then I asked him 

(I guess I had in mind that he might be a publicity seeker), would you 

mind if anybody ever knew about your deciding to defect? He replied; 

My family and my friends in the Marines never know 
my feelings about communism even though I spent 2 years 
preparing to come here. These preparations consisted 
mostly of reading. It took me two years to find out how 
to do it. 

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I asked him how he found out. He said it wasn't hard. I asked him if 
anybody helped him. He refused to name any person or institution who 
had helped him. 

QvtPottani Did Infcourisfe know of hifi plane to defect at the tima 
he arrived in the Soviet Union? 

Answer: "I won't say." 

But he said he had had an interview with an official of the Soviet 

Government a few days after his arrival in Moscow. He would not say 

who the official was or v/hat agency he represented. Oswald said he had 

left New Orleans September 19th, he thought. Anyway it was a Friday, . 

by ship. He had spent 12 days sailing to LeHavre, from there he booked 

a flight to Helsinki where he bought vouchers at $30 a day, (This 

implies he got a visa in Helsinki.) From Helsinki he went by train 

to Koscow where for the first 10 days he had been living on Intourist 

vouchers. 

For the pas_C 2 years I have been waiting to do th_is 
one thing. /Here he raised his voice and gestured_^/ For 
2 years I was waiting to leave the Marine Corps and get 
enough money to come. I have had practical experience in 
the world. I am not an idealist completely. I have had a 
chance to watch American railitarist imperialism in action. 

He told me he had become a Marxist when he was 15. (My query -- why?) 

I had discovered socialist literature at that time. 
Then I spent 5 years reading socialist literature observ- 
ing: the treatment of minority groups in America: Communists, 
negroes, and the workers especially. Watching the treatment 
of v/orkers in New York and observing the fact that they are 
exploited. I had read about it in socialist literature and 
I saw that the description given in this literature was quite 

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correct. I sav I vould become either a vorker exploited 
for capitalist profit or an exploiter, or, since there are 
many in the category, I vould he one of the unemployed. 
>^ decision was unemotional, and not set off hy any fight 
vith my ATife since I have no vife. perhaps either I or 
Embassy officials had told him that most defectors had 
personal problems at home_^ At 15 I vas looking for some- 
thing that vould give me the key to my environment. My 
mother has been a vorker all her life. All her life she 
had to produce profit for capitalists. She is a good 
example of vhat happens to vorkers in the United States . 

I asked him vhat her vork vas and he refused to say. Trying to 

ascertain vhat he meant by his last remark I asked vhether his mother 

vas old beyond her years or vorn out, and his reply vas "that is the 

us\ial end of people in the United States, isn't it?" He added: 

It's the end of everyone in every society. The 
question is vhy they end up that vay, for vhom and under 
vhat system they vork; surely it is the duty of everyone 
to vork, 

(Here he expanded on the idea that it is better to end up vorn and 

tired vorking in the Soveit Union for the benefit of all of society 

than to end up the same vay in the United States vorking for one 

private employer. He prefaced his remarks vith "I don't claim to be 

an intellectual genius.") Tlien he vent on in his philosophy; 

I believe that sooner or later communism vill replace 
capitalism. Capitalism is a defensive ideology, vhereas 
comm\inism is aggressive. Communism is an ideology vhich 
implants itself in every system and vhich grovs , 

In the next sentence he raised his voice: 

I cannot live in the United States. I shall remain here, 
if necess-ary, as a resident alien, 

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I asked him vhat was this socialist literature he had" read. 

He said rather wearily, "Marks and Engels." Which works by Marks 

and Engels? "The standard works." I specifically asked if he had 

read anything by Engels and he could not name any. Then he said 

he had read works by American Comraunists . So I asked him to npme 

what works and he again refused to say which works. (l have the 

impression, in retrospect, that he had made a point of not naming 

anyone who might have inspired him, either in person or by their 

books, to defect, but that he had at least had advice from somewhere. 

He seemed almost to hint at this . ) Then I asked him whether he had 

ever seen anything of the American socialists or thought of trying to 

reform American society through them? His reply was: 

The American socialists are to be shunned by anyone 
who is interested in progressive ideology. It is a 
dormant, flag-waving organization. 

Nor had he had any contact with the American Communists, he remarked. 

He said emphatically: "I never saw a Communist in my life. Only 

through reading Communist literature and observing American reality 

did I conclude that Communism was best for me personally." 

Then the conversation turned to reasons for his hatred of the 

United States. These reasons were: 

(l) Segregation . I was brought up like any southern 
boy to hate negroes. Then (2) socialist literature opened 
my eyes to the economic reasons for hating negroes. It is 
so that wages can be kept low. (3) My experience in Japan 
and the Philippines, where Americans are categorically hated 
for their militarist imperialism . You'd expect to see it in 

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Japan. But if you've ever seen the Naval Ease at Subic 
Bay in the Philippines you'd know vha^t I mean. 

Ho said he had sympathized vith Communist elements there and with 

their hatred of Americans . 

AiriQriccuaa look upon nl,! foreion poopXon as nomothing 
to he exploited for profit. The only Filipinos who are 
well off are those who cooperate with the Americans. 

He said he had "been part of an Indonesian invasions force in March 

1958 when there had been a 

Communist inspired social turnover. We sat off the coast 
loaded with ammunition and that was enough for me. Also 
in the Suez crisis la 195^ we were told we might have to 
go in.. 

So I asked him if this was how he felt about the Marines, why had 

he joined in the first place? He said, "I went into the Marines be- 

. cause we were poor and I didn't want to be a burden on my family." 

I asked him his impression of living standards in the Soviet Union 

and whether his first-hand observations had in any way effected his 

convictions about socialism. And his reply was, "They don't have as 

many hot water heaters and meat pies here but they will in 20 years, 

through an economic system which is leaving the United States far 

behind. Any material shortcomings I might see here caruaot influence 

me to return." Then I must have asked him whether it was Soviet social 

theory or Soviet successes, such as Sputnik and rapid industrialization, 

that had attracted him most. He replied: "It is the social system, not 

the successes, that attracts me." "At the same time, "he added, "the Soviet 

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Union would undoubtedly surpass the United States in terms of 
economic success." (During the course of the interview I had been 
struck by the fact that he seemed to spend his days sitting alone 
in his hotel room. He told me he had not wandered around the city 
very much, and the only expedition he had made by himself had been 

to Detsky Mir, a children's department store two blocks away, where 

he said he had bought an ice cream cone or tea. He was impressed by 

the size of the crowds there, and seemed rather proud that he had been 

able to manage even so small an excursion. In other words, I got 

the impression throughout the interview that he felt rather helpless 

in Moscow, had seen very little of the city and in fact was markedly 

uninterested in learning about everyday life, conditions or people 

in the country he had striven so long to get to.) 

I asked him what had struck him most in the Soviet Union and what 

he had seen there. He had been struck by "the love of art for art's 

sake" in the Soviet Union, As for what he had seen, he said he had 

seen the usual tourist attractions, had been in peoples homes and seen 

the whole city of Moscow. But he declined to name anything specific 

and my impression was he had seen very little, so I asked him his 

overall impression of Moscow. 

Moscow is an impressive city because the energy put 
out by the Government is all used toward peaceful and 
ciiltural purposes. People here are so well-off and happy 
and have a lot of faith in the future of their country. 
Material poverty is not to be seen here. 

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I, knoving many Russians vho vould have given anything to live in 

the United States, asked him the reaction of any Russians he had 

met vhen he told them his decision to defect. He said: 

The Russians sympathize and understand. But they ask 
mo why and a3?d very curious •* But thay understand vhen X 
' speak of the idealistical /sicT" reasons that have hrought 
me here, vhereas an American woiold not understand. 

He stressed that these Russians that he had met were extremely in- 
terested in the material situation of workers in the United States, 
(l suspected a little that he wanted to "be treated as something rather 
special and so I asked him if the Russians he met paid him any special 
attention or made a "big fuss over him. His answer was "No. They 
d. n't treat me as any celebrity. ") 

These are my own observations in the course of the interview: 
He had repeatedly referred to the Soviet Government as "my 
Government." He said that because of his ann.oyance with the American 
Embassy he would not set foot in the Embassy again. I must have 
suggested it some point in the interview that he was defeating his 
own purpose, that by refusing to set foot in the Embassy out of 
pique, he was unable to take the oath renouncing citizenship. He 
justified his refusal to set foot in the Embassy by saying:- 

I have already axed /sic/ them to prepare the papers, 
I am sure that if I did enter the Embassy they would just 
give me the same run-around as before." 

■ (it was in fact his refusal to go back to the Embassy to take the 

oath that, so far as I know, made it possible forhim later to return tc 

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the United States. I doubt that he vas consciously avare that he 
vas leaving himself this loophole but he may have had some semi- 
conscious awareness of it.) He stressed that it vould be an honor 
to acquire Soviet citizenship. I must have asked him vhy in his 
view the Embassy would be trying to give him what he called the run- 
aro\md. He called it "a prestige and labor -^saving device." Again I 
asked him the difference between exploitation of the wage earner in 
the Soviet Union and the United States since both countries needed 
capital for industrial investment and he had already agreed that 
industrialization was a good thing. He replied that people in the 
Soviet Union, as in the United States, get a wage. But the profit 
they produce is used to benefit all the people, and not just a single 
employer. They have an economic system that is not based on credit 
or speculation. 

My own note to myself in the stage of the interview which was 
toward the end that he has a very primitive -understanding of economics. 
Referring to his defection, he said "my reasons are very strong and 
^od to me." He said he had given his passport to the American Embassy 
along with both verbal and written statements. He said he did not 
recommend defection for everybody. He said it meant "coming into a 
new country, always being the outsider, always adjusting, but I know 
now that I will never have to return to the United States, I believe 
I am doing right." He said he had been a Marine private, had to get 
out before his three years were over, had been discharged September 11 
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"because of dependency, that his mother vas ill, that her situation 
vas the climax of that of the working person in the United States, 
that her health vas poor and that she vas living in Fort Worth vith 
his "brother. He said that she had been trying to phone him in his 
room at the Metropole hotel, "begging him not to defect, but that 
he just let the telephone ring. , 

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m ivios 



by 

Priscilla Johnson 



What a long, private interview revealed 
to one reporter about the troubled 
personality of President Kennedy's 
accused assassin. 



^LJ'n a frosty November evening four years ago, 
I sat in my Moscow hotel room while a twenty- 
year-old American explained in a soft Southern 
accent his desire to defect to Russia. With his 
pale, rather pleasant features and his dark flannel 
suit, the young man looked like any of a dozen 
college boys I had known back home. His name 
was Lee Harvey Oswald. 

I had sought him out a few hours earlier on 
the advice of an American colleague in Moscow. 
A boy named Oswald was staying at my hotel, the 
Metropol, my friend remarked casually. He was 
angry at everything American and impatient to 
become a Soviet citizen. "He won't talk to any of 
as," my colleague added, suggesting that, as a 
■/Oman, I might have better luck. 

An American defector was always good copy 
for a reporter in Moscow, and I had knocked, 
rather timidly, at Oswald's room late that after- 
noon. After what I had been told, I fully expected 
to be turned away. Instead the young man who 
opened the door readily assented to an interview. 
He promised with a smile that he would be at my 
]:oom at nine o'clock in the evening. 

He came at nine and stayed until two or three 



in the morning. Throughout our conversation he 
sat in an armchair, sipping tea from a green 
ceramic mug. More tea bubbled softly on a tiny 
electric burner in the corner. Except for a small 
gesture of one hand or an occasional tightening 
of the voice, Oswald's manner was unemphatic. 
His words seemed chosen to rule out even a hint 
of emotion. Yet in the notes I made as we talked 
I find, years later, the repeated marginal reminder 
to myself, "He's bitter." 

In spite of his conventional appearance, I found 
Oswald, from the outset, extraordinary. From ex- 
perience I knew just how formidable the long 
trip from the United States to Moscow can be, 
even if the traveler has money and a command 
of the Russian language. Here was a boy of twenty 
who, with only the money he had been able to 
save in less than three years as a Marine Corps 
private, had come six thousand miles with no 
thought but to live out his life in a country he 
had never seen, whose language he knew only 
slightly, and whose people he knew not at all. It 
was, I thought, a remarkable act of courage or 
folly. 

I was touched by something homemade about 
him : the way he had tried, as he told me, to teach 
himself Russian alone at night in his Marine Corps 
barracks, using a Berlitz grammar; and how he had 
been reading economics on his own ever since he 
had discovered Marx's Daa KapitcU at the age of 
fifteen. I saw him as a little lost boy and, as such 
boys often are, rather lonely and proud. 



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47 



Finally, Oswald impressed me because he was 
{lie first and, .is it turned out; the only "ideo- 
logical" defector I met in Moscow. Of the two or 
three other American defectors I encountered, 
none claimed to be motivated by a belief in com- 
munism. All appeared to be fleeing some obvious 
per.sonal difficulty, such as an unhappy marriage 
back home. "My decision is not an emotional one," 
Oswald insisted. He was acting, he maintained, 
fldlely eut ot an Intellectual cenvletlen that Marx- 
ism was the only just way of life. For this alone 
he was memorable. In the months, and years, that 
followed our conversation, I had thought of him 
often, hoping one day to write a profile of this 
highly unusual defector. I, never wrote it, how- 
ever, for I felt that the key to this curious boy 
had eluded me. 

Dismally Lonely 

J. have suggested that nothing about Osw.ild was 
more striking than his burial of the emotional 
factor — a denial, almost, that he had any feelings 
at all. And yet, looking back, I have two conflicting 
recollections. One is that he was struggling to 
hide his feelings from himself. The other is of 
emotion that would not be hidden. It was the 
counterpoint between the two, I suppose, that 
gave me a sense that there were gaping chinks in 
his armor and that he was too frail, psychologi- 
cally, for what he had set out to do. 

Among the feelings Oswald could not conceal 
was anxiety as to whether Kremlin officials would 
grant his request for Soviet citizenship, and 
whether his funds would stretch until he could go 
to work or become a state-supported student at a 
Soviet technical institute. Another was< anger, 
directed mainly, at the time, against officials of 
the U. S. Embassy in Moscow. These officials, 
Oswald felt, had stalled him when he tried to take 
an oath renouncing his American citizenship. 
Here the tension between his feelings and his 
effort to suppress them became articulate: "I 
can't be too hard on them. But they are acting in 
an illegal way." 

He also felt strongly about his mother. About 
his childhood Oswald was reticent to the point of 
mystery. He would only say that he grew up first 
in Texas and Louisiana and had then gone for two 
years to New York City with his mother. He 
refused even to say what section of the city he 
had lived in. Of teachers, or of friends he had 
played with there, he said not a word. Only that, 
in New York, "I had a chance to watch the treat- 
ment of workers, the fact that they are exploited. 



I had been bi'ought up, like any Southern boy, to ■ 
hate Negroes." When, at fifteen, "I was looking 
for a key to my environmerjt, I discovered socialist 
literature. I saw that thg description it gave of 
capitalist conditions was quite correct. It opened 
my eyes to the economic reasons for hating 
Negroes : so that wages eiin be kept low. I became 
a Marxist." To me, it^ was as though Oswald 
wanted to convince us both that he had never 
had a childhood, that he had been all his life a 
machine, calibrating social justice. 

About his father he was so evasive that I was 
nonplused. "My father," he told me, "died before 
I was born. I believe he was an insurance sales- 
man." That was all. Not another word could I 
pry out of him. 

He sounded quite different when it came to his 
mother. She was ill, (^wald told me, living in 
Fort Worth with hla brother. "My mother has 
been a worker all her li^e," he went on, "having to 
produce profit for capitalists. She's a good ex- 
ample of what happens to workers in the United 
States." He refused to specify what work she 
had actually been doing. I asked whether his 
mother was disillusioned, like him, or worn-out 
beyond her years? "That's the usual end of people 
in the United States, isn't it?" he countered. Then 
came the denial of his own indignation. "It's the 
end of evei*yone, in any country. It's a question of 
why they end up that way. For whom and under 
what system they work." In spite of Oswald's 
effort to depersonalize, to blame his mother's suf- 
fering on Marxist "social processes," I felt that 
'here was a bitterness too deep for tears. Shortly 
after this he remarked: "I cannot live in the 
United States, so I shall remain here, if necessaiy, 
as a resident alien." Earlier he had told me that 
even if Soviet officials refused to grant his appli- 
cation for citizenship, "I would not consider re- 
turning to the United States." Throughout the 
interview he referred to the Soviet government 
as "my government." 

Since Oswald had traveled thousands of miles 
to build a new life in Russia, I expected that he 
would be wasting no time learning all he could 
about the country. He would be anxious, I as- 



PrisciUa Johnson ihay be the only person who 
kneic both John F. Kennedy and Lee Oswald. After 
gettinp her M.A. in Soviet studies at Harvard, she 
n'orUcd for a short time in 1953 in the office of 
Senator Kennedy as his researcher on Southeast 
Asia. Her meeting with Osxoald occurred during 
her ttoo-year stay in Moscow as correspondent 
for North American Newspaper Alliance. She is 
note in Cambridge, Massachusetts, at work on two 
books on Soviet affairs. 



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48 



OSWALD IN MOSCOW 



8umed, to sec how tHe socialist economic theories 
he believed in were working out in practice. That 
was where I had my biggest surprise. The life 
he was leading in Moscow was a dismally lonely 
one. Most of each diiy he spent sitting alone in his 
hotel i-oom waiting for the telephone to ring. If 
he thought it was his mother calling from Fort 
Worth to beg him to come home, he wouldn't 
answer. Every time it rang, though, he hoped it 
was some Soviet ofllclal calling to announce that 
his request for citizenship had been granted. 

Oswald seemed to feel helpless in the Russian 
language. "I was able to teach myself to read 
and write," he said. "But I still have trouble 
speaking." The only expedition he had taken on 
his own in nearly a month in Moscow had been a 
walk to Detsky Mir, a children's department store 
only two blocks from our hotel. He seemed proud 
that, in the scramble of Soviet shoppers, he had 
managed to elbow his way to the fourth floor 
buffet and buy himself an ice cream cone. He 
insisted that he had seen the "whole city of 
Moscow" and "the usual tourist attractions." But 
he would not name a single landmark he had 
actually visited. For all his struggle to get to 
Moscow and his efforts to stay, he appeared to 
lack even the curiosity of the ordinary American 
tourist. 

Although Oswald claimed that he had visited 
Russians in their homes, his vagueness left me 
uncertain as to whether he had actually struck 
up a single unofficial friendship. He would only 
say; "Moscow is an impressive city because the 
energy put out by the government is all used 
toward peaceful and cultural purposes. People 
her are so well off and happy and have so much 
faith in the future of their country. Material pov- 
erty is not to be seen here." These generalizations 
and, above all, Oswald's ovra walled-in existence 
led me to conclude that he was strangely blind. 
Not only was he not looking at the life all 
around him. He was making an heroic effort not 
to see it. 

I had a similar surprise when it came to his 
grasp of Marxist economics. For hours we dis- 
cussed this; apart from his defection, it was the 
topic that seemed to interest him most. Worried 
about him now, I tried to warn him of the dis- 
ar_ ointment which I felt he might encounter 
once he came in contact with Soviet life as it 
really is. I argued that there are poverty and in- 
justice in any country, including the Soviet Union, 
which is undergoing rapid industrialization. The 
worker has to be paid less than the value of what 
he has created if there is to be capital for new 
investment. Oswald agreed. To him, however, the 



social system for vhich this injustice is endured 
was the crucial thipg. Soviet workers, like Ameri- 
cans, he observed, %re paid a wage. But the profit 
they produce is us^d to benefit all [here he gave 
one of his rare ^vea for emphasis] of the 
people. They have -an economic system that is 
not based on credit and speculation." Somehow, 
after listening awhUe, I concluded that his views 
were rigid and naive, and that he did not know 
his Marxism very well. 

In one sense, however, his outlook seemed to 
fit that of orthodox Marxism. Not once in all our 
hours of conversation did Oswald so much as 
mention a single political leader, not President 
Eisenhower, nor Fidel Castro, nor then Senator 
John F. Kennedy, nor Josef Stalin, nor Nikita 
Khrushchev,' nor anybody else. If he saw indi- 
vidual statesmen as either heroes or villains, he 
certainly gave no sign. On the contrary. For him 
impersonal Marxist social categories — "exploita- 
tion of the worker," the "capitalist system of 
profits," "militarist imperialism" — were explana- 
tion enough of the world's ills. 

Destroying an Abstraction 

i3 ince this brings us to the assassination, I am 
impressed by the terrible irony of that deed, if 
Oswald was, in fact, the assassin. For Marxism 
has traditionally rejected assassination as a 
weapon of political struggle. According to Marx- 
ist philosophy, those whom we call leaders only 
appear to lead. In reality it is they who are led by 
the historical forces around them. The latter, in 
turn, are determined by the economic modes of 
production. Thus, in the view of Lenin, assassina- 
tion was at best irrelevant. I doubt that Oswald 
was aware that he was violating Lenin's writings 
on individual terror when — and if — he pulled the 
trigger last November 22. I suspect, rather, that 
he was not Marxist enough to realize that his was 
the ultimate anti-Marxist act. 

I should like to make another observation that 
is outside my recollections. Oswald's defection to 
Soviet Russia could, as it happened, have been a 
dry run for the assassination, if he was — again — 
the assassin. For both actions he had to acquire 
a skill: in the one case, Russian, which he had 
learned imperfectly at the time I met him ; in the 
other, marksmanship, which he evidently mas- 
tered much better. Both deeds took months to 
prepare. For the first he spent, as he told me, two 
years saving money, learning how to get cheaply 
to Russia, where to apply for a Soviet visa 
(Helsinki), and how to go about contacting the 



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309 



proper Soviet officials once he arrived in Moscow. 
For the later deed he had to purchase a rifle in- 
conspicuously, wait for Kennedy to visit Dallas 
and for a route to be announced, arrange to 
station himself along it without arousing sus- 
picion, and so forth. Lee Oswald was a failure 
at nearly everything he tried. But two supremely 
difficult feats he did accomplish. I saw two quali- 
ties in him that could have been crucial to his 
8ueees8 In eueh; singrlo^^indodneBs and aeei'etlve> 
neas. 

"For the past two years," Oswald told me, 
raising his voice a little, "I have been waiting to 
do this one thing [defect to Russia]. For two 
years I was waiting to leave the Marine Corps." 
Throughout those two years, during which he had 
been saving money and learning the mechanics 
of defection, he had been so single-minded that 
he had oven tnkon cnre to "form no emotional 
attachments" to girls, since such attachments 
might weaken his resolve. 

Throughout those two years, moreover, he evi- 
dently concealed his intention to defect from all 
wh'^ were closest to him. No one at home suspected 
which way his ideas were tending even when, at 
the age of fifteen, he began reading Marxist 
literature. "My family and my friends in the 
Marines," he explained, "never knew my feelings 
about communism." Yet he had harbored those 
feelings for five years, and for the past year 
had been studying Russian at night in a Marine 
Corps barracks with inquisitive buddies all 
around him! 

If Oswald was seci'etive about his personal life, 
refusing even to reveal to me how his mother 
earned a living, what section of New York City 
he had lived in, or how many brothers he had, 
he was equally evasive about the circumstances 
of his defection. He declined, for example, to say 
whether he had informed Intourist, the Soviet 
travel agency, of his intention to remain in 
Russia, how much he was paying for his room at 
the Metropol, who, if anyone, back in the United 
States had advised him on how to go about defect- 
ing, what Soviet government agencies he was 
dealing with in his request for citizenship, or 
even what books by American communist authors 
he had read. While discretion was no doubt ap- 
propriate in response to some of these questions, 
he was, I felt, making mountains of secrecy where 
other boys might have made a molehill. This tight- 
lipped, conspiratorial attitude that was already so 
pronounced when I met him could, however, have 
been invaluable during the long months prepar- 
ing for the act of November 22. 

To enter again into the realm of speculation, I 



bij Priscilla Johnson 49 

should like to mention that from the moment he 
was arrested on November 22 it seemed to me 
unlikely that Oswald would confess to shooting 
the President. Unless, of course, his resistance 
were broken by extraordinary methods. If I 
understood him at all, I believe that refu.nal to 
cooperate with authority, expressed in a refusal 
to confess, would have been nearly as much a part 
of the social protest h€ was trying to make as the 
act of assnsalnatlon Itiielf, In my oplnl«n, tho two 
would have gone inseparably together. 

Another of the ironies in which this case 
abounds has to do, it seems to me, with Oswald's 
attitude toward Kennedy as a man. I believe that 
Oswald may well have been less jealous of 
Kennedy's dazzling personal attributes — his 
wealth and good looks, his happy fortune in 
general — than many men to whom the idea of 
fihooting the President never even occurred. 
Oswald was preoccupied with himself, not with 
other men. The good fortune of others, their 
riches and fine features, did not define him to 
himself as poor or ugly. Less than many men did 
Oswald strike me as "desiring this man's art 
and that man's scope." I believe that the John 
Kennedy he killed was not, to him, another 
human being who was richer and better endowed 
than he, but a surprisingly abstract being, a 
soulless personification of authority. (In a scorn- 
ful aside about Marine Corps officers Oswald indi- 
cated to me his contempt for anyone in authority 
over him.) That Kennedy, perhaps more than any 
world leader of his time, happened also to wear 
authority with a gaiety and grace that might well 
have aroused the envy of others is probably be- 
side the point in assessing the motives of Lee 
Harvey Oswald. 

The Desire to Stand Out 

XnJ matter how steadfastly he might have re- 
sisted the efforts of his inquisitors to break him 
down, I believe that Oswald yearned to go down 
in history as the man who shot the President. 
Even if he would not and could not confess, he 
had, at least, to be caught. For if there was one 
thing that stood out in all our conversation, it was 
his truly compelling need — could it have been a 
response to some childhood humiliation? — to 
think of himself as extraordinary. A refusal to 
■ confess, expressed in stoic and triumphant silence, 
would have fitted this need. In some twisted way, 
it might also have enabled him to identify with 
other "unjustly" persecuted victima, such as Sacco 
and Vanzetti and the Rosenbergs. 



Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 6 — Continued 



310 



50 



OSWALD IN MOSCOW 



While in one sense Oswald may have wanted to 
go down in history with a question mark over his 
guilt, surely in another sense he had to be marked 
for all time as the man who killed President 
Kennedy. Conflicting as these two needs — to be 
caught, yet not to c0nfess — may appear, in reality 
they were part of a single compelling desire: 
the desire to stand out from other men. 

To the trained psychiatric eye this desire must, 
I believe, have been written nil over Leo Oitwuld. 
It became apparent to me, however, only after I 
had asked several questions arising from a sus- 
picion I had that, for all his unassuming appear- 
ance, Oswald was merely another publicity seeker. 
How, I asked, did ordinary Russians view his 
defection? "The Russians I meet," he replied, 
"don't treat me as any celebrity." Somehow the 
way he said it made me feel that to himself, Lee 
Oswald really was a celebrity. 

Later on, I asked Oswald if he would suggest 
defection as a way out for other young men who, 
like himself, might be dissatisfied with conditions 



back home? "I don't recommend defection for 
everyone," he warned. 

It means, he went on, "coming to a new 
country, always being the outsider, always 
adjusting." Lesser men, he seemed to imply, 
might not be up to it. But he was. 

As a means, however, of proving his "different- 
ness," if that is what it was, defection seemed to 
have failed Lee Oswald. Back in Texas, people 
forjfot ull about him. Even amonsr tho RuHHluna, 
he ceased after a while to stand out as a curiosity. 
To be marked as the extraordinary person he 
needed to be, he had to perform a yet more 
memorable, and outrageous, act. 

That Oswald did, in fact, see himself as ex- 
traordinary came out unexpectedly when I asked 
him why he had been willing to grant me an 
interview at all. I expected a simple response. 
That he was homesick, maybe, and wanted some- 
one to talk to. Instead, he surprised me. "I would 
like," he replied, "to give the people of the United 
States something to think about." 



The Man from the Alaska Highway 

by William Stafford 

SOME rainy mornings before citizens get up 
a foreigner in a white raincoat wanders 
the schoolground, appearing and reappearing, 
putting mushrooms in a plastic sack sopped with rain. 
I watch through my dim window 
wavy with water from the eaves. 

He's a road builder. He told me once 

the more a big freeway seems to wander in level 

country the more planned it is: "A straight 

road puts drivers to sleep. The knack is 

to find the curve and lean the driver's 

shoulder needs to find." 

Geese came over last night. 

Once he told me the Yukon bends millions 

of dollars worth, even without any gold. 

I looked at a map and saw that Alaska, the way 

it happens along, can never — no matter what 

anyone says — be just a state. 

Today I went out at first light. 

The road builder wasn't around, but I 

leaned with my umbrella and saw 

hundreds of mushrooms, almost hidden, 

gleaming here and there, 

nudging up through the playground. 



Harper's Magazine, April 1964 



Johnson (Priscilla) Exhibit No. 6 — Continued 



311 



FD-aoa (B.T.3-3-S9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIf flON 

Dec«iib«r 6, 1963 



Data 



SPEEDY JOHNSON, 5136 Horsftshoe Trail, Dallas, Texas, 
furnished the following IrsformAtion: 

On Saturday, November ?3* 1963, JOHNSON and a friend, 
IVAN T. MUNDY, were at the Turf Bar^ Ic-ated at 1515 Commerce 
Street, Dallas, Th«y had arrived at th«! Turf Bar at approximately 
1:15 p.m, and had had on© or two b<s<^rB •i<iih<9>n ^ friend, FRANK 
BELLOCCHIO, came Into the bar. He had with him a copy of the 
full page ad which had appeared In the Dallas newspaper on the 
dsy President KENNEDY arrived in Dallas, which in substance was 
highly critical of the President. JOHNSON was reading this 
article aloud while they were seated at the bar and he and 
MUNDY were discussing the article wheo, a ma-ii approached them 
from behind ar-d rerarked th-»,t he had already be'n to the 
newspaper offlca co:nc»rnJlng the article which JOHIvrSON was 
reading. At this tlm* the individual also displayed to JOHNSON 
ar.d r^NDY three polaroid photoRrsphs of a billboard calling 
for the impeachment of Chiaf Jusi-ice WARREN. He indicated 
that he had Just taken these photographs and mentioned a 
location probably in north Dallas where the billboard was 
located. There was also som.e discussion at this time concerning 
bum,per stickers calliiig for the impreachment of Chief Justice 
WAPfiEN and the ir.dlvldua.l who had apprijached JOHNSON and MUNDY 
becam* rather excited and m.ade some remarks indicating he had 
not k-Dwn these stickers hsd been on display in the Dallas 
area for a considerable length of time. The individual made 
other remarks^, exact nature not recalled, indicating that he 
was highly insensed at the critic 5 sm of Freaident KENNEDY. 
This individual then left and El.J'^H SOLOMON, operator of the 
Turf Bar then told JOHNSON and MUNDY that the indlvidiial who 
h«d been talking with them was JACK RUBY. 

JOHNSON said that neither he nor MUNDY had not 8«en 
JACK RUBY prior to this time or since and could furnish no 
additional Information conc«mlng RUBY. 



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0. A. Jones Exhibit Ro. 505lt- 

Captain 0, A. JONES, Forgery oureau^ i/tu-xaa j:uj.xv;c 
Department, advised that on Novemher a^l-, 19^3^ sGuletime shortly 
before noon, acting under the instructions of, Assistant Chief 
M. W. STEVENSON, he reported to the basement of the City Hall 
building^ along with all available detective^ from various burea\is 
of the Police Department on the third floor. He stated his in- 
structions were to help in securing area for the transportation 
of LEE HARVEY OSWALD from the Dallas City Jail to the Dallas Coxinty ' 
Jail. JONES stated that specific instructions given him were to see 
that the armored truck, which was to transport OSWALD, was placed 
into position in the basement. JONES stated that additional specific • 
instructions from Chief STEVENSON and Chief BATCHELOR were to use 
the detectives vmder their supervision to keep the press and news 
media east of the basement driveway. JONES stated he instructed 
officers in getting- press media back from the pertinent area' and in 
keeping everyone back after this area was cleared. 

JONES stated that subsequently Chief STEVENSON advised 
him that the armored truck is too' large to get all the way down the 
ramp, and that they were going to place two cars behind the truck, 
which was to remain at the entrance of the ramp facing Commerce Street. 
JONES stated, accordingly, at this time two cars were moved onto the. 
ramp behind the truck, and it was necessary for officers to clear the 
path for these cars to pull onto the ramp from the underground parking 
area and to back into position at the corridor entrance. JONES stated 
at this time he was standing approximately on the east side of the ramp 
and a little south at the point where the corridor enters the ramp 
or driveway. Someone said, "Here he comes." JONES assiimed this was 
with reference to the prisoner and, accordingly, turned towards the 
car to be sure no unauthorized personnel approached them and that the 
stationed officers were in the area. He stated he then lookeii. back 
toward the east,-^^ which time he heard a shot. He did not see the 
actual shooting and had not seen JACK RUBY. in the pertinent area. He 
stated he knew JACK RUBY some ten or twelve years ago, but did not 
know him well. JONES stated he had definitely not seen RUBY in the 
City Hall building during the pertinent period of November 22-23, 19^3 • 

JOKES adde'd that when he had heard the shot he immediately 
shouted to officers to seal the exits and he ran to the acene of the 
shooting and observed RUBY in custody. 



11/25/63 



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Jones (O. A.) Exhibit No. 5054 



NO U-1639 
2 



\uider his supervision were to protect the pertinent area and to let no 
one in the area. They were to protect prisoner?/ and officers and were 
to allow no picture taking in the restricted airea. JONES added that he 
does not know the reason for the sectirlty falling down. 



Jones (O. A.) Exhibit No. 5054 — Continued 



325 



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DL 44-1639 



"Mr. J. E. Curry, 
Chief of Police 



"November 26, I963 



"Subject: Shooting of Lee Oswald 

"Sir: 

"On Sunday^ November 24, 1963, at around 11AM, 
Deputy Chief Stevenson approached me in the administra- 
tion offices and directed me to place two officers 
at the Commerce Street entrance to the ramp leading 
into the basement of the City Hall. He said to instruct 
these two officers that an armored truck was enroute 
and for them to assist the truck back as far as possible 
down the ramp into the City Hall. He also told me to 
take any remaining detectives that were available on 
the third floor to the basement and place them any 
place they were needed in the basement to supplement .' 
the officers already stationed. Most of the detectives 
had previously been sent to the basement. I entered 
-<iSich of the bureaus except Homicide and Robbery and 
told the duty officer to have any available officers 
to report outside the Jail office and went to the 
basement. Two or three detectives accompanied me and 
remained near the Jail office. I went to the head of -j 
the ramp on Commerce Street and informed Patrolman 
Jez and one other patrolman to remain there and keep 
the way clear and to assist the armored truck in 
backing into the City Hall. I informed Captain Talbert 
of these instructions. 

"I then returned to near the Jail office and 
stationed some of the detectives'^at the doors leading . 
into the building proper, and not'iced the Press Media 
was inside the Jail off ice, but outside the admitting 
desk. I saw Assistant Chief Batchelor and Deputy 
Chie^^evenson and called Chief Batchelor 's attention 
to the people in the Jail office.. I accompanied him ^ 
inside and upon his instructions this area was cleared,. 
Upon leaving the Jail office we also had all persons 
except security personnel moved north of a line 
running east from the brick comer of the Jail office 
to the railing on the opposite side and on a line 



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Jones (O. A.) Exhibit No. 5055 



326 




DL 44-1639 



"from this point running east to the exit lanes for 
oars from the basement to the ramp itself. 

"Deputy Chief Stevenson then approached and said 
there had been a change in plans and, as the truck 
could not get into the City Hall, they were going to 
!use two cars. At this time two police cars were 
started and brought up onto the ramp. Several officers 
had to move to allow the cars to get onto the ramp. 
I had given instructions to all officers near the Jail 
office and at the doors to allow no one in the area 
from the jail to the cars and on down the route the 
prisoner woiild take, and that the press would not be • 
allowed to approach or even to attempt to converse 
with the prisoner, and that no one was to follow until 
after the cars left the basement, 

"I was about midway between the corner of the 
Jail office and the back of the car on the ramp, 
when someone shouted "here he comes]', I turned to 
walk to the car on the ramp to make sure the way was 
clear and that officers were stationed on each side 
of the cars and all the way down the east side of the 
ramp to the cars. I saw officers along the route and 
officers on each side of the ramp near the cars and 
at the top of the ramp. I also saw Chief Stevenson on 
the ramp, so I turned to Watch the parking area in the 
basement of the City Hall, when I heard a shot. This 
was sometime shortly before noon, but I don't remember 
the exact time. I turned toward the sound of the 
shot which had come from my left and to my rear. I 
shouted to the officers to bar all exits and all ramps. 
I saw the officers closing the exits and went toward 
the scuffle where apparently officers had a nan in 
custody. As I approached the center of the scuffle 
several voices said 'It was Jack Ruby'. I do not 
know who said this, but as the prisoner was on his 
feet by this time. I could see he was Jack Ruby, whom 
Xj/'had known 10 or 12 years before as the owner of Ithe ^ 
Silver Spur, a nightclub on South Ervay. I told :the 
officers to take him to the Jail and then had other 
officers assist Lt, Swain in keeping the crowd in 
the designated area., I assisted in this measure until ']> 
after the ambulance left with Oswald and I then returned Jq\ 
to the third floor after Instructing the officers on ^!m^^ 



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327 



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"tha doors to lot g^ly persons with Identlfloation 
come to the third floor. After returning to the 
third floor, I' assisted in the administration offices. 

"I had not seen a man that I recognized as 
Jack Ruby in the City Hall during the period of the 
investigation, until after the shooting in the base- . 
ment. 

"Respectfully, 

Vs/ 

"O.A. JONES^ 
Captain of Police 
Forgery Bureau" 







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Jones (O. A) Exhibit No. 5055— Continued 



328 



D^o2 (R.». s-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

' 12/2/63 



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0. A. JONES, CapCain of Police, Forgery Bureau, 
Dallas Police Department, Dallas, Texas, furnished the 
following information freely and voluntarily to Special 
Agents EDWARD J. MABEY and KENNETH P. HUGHES, who identi- 
fied themselves to him as Special Agents of the FBI. Re 
was immediately advised of the nature of the investigation; 
that he did not have to make any statement, and that any 
statement he made could be used against him in a court of 
law. JONES was also advised of his right to counsel. ' 7 

Prior to 11:00 AM, on November 24, 1963, he 
was in the administration offices in the Police & Courts 
Building performing administrative duties. A little -^ 
before 11:00 AM, Deputy Chief STEVENSON told JONES to x^^ 
place two officers at the entrance of the Commerce Street • "^ '^ 
ramp to help and assist the armored car that was en route. ^"^^^ 
STEVENSON also advised JONES to take any remaining detectives ^o"^ 
that were available on the third floor to the basement and 
place them where needed. JONES and two or three other de- 
tectives, names unknown, went to the basement where JONES 
placed Patrolman JEZ and one other unidentified patrolman 
at the entrance of the ramp on Commerce Street. He also 
advised Captain TALBERT of the Chief's instructions on 
placing these two patrolmen at the entrance of the ramp 
and advised that they were not to be moved. JONES placed 
twQ detectives, names unknown, at the jail office door. 
JONES noticed that there were newsmen inside the jail ^ , 
office and called this to the attention of Assistant Chief vJ^-^ 
BATCHELOR and Deputy Chief STEVENSON. JONES, Chief ^>^^ 
BATCHELOR and some other officers removed the newsmen from N \J 
the inside of the jail office and then continued moving '^ 
these individuals down the hallway and into the basement 
area. JONES was aware of an automobile driving up the 
Main Street ramp in the \in:ong direction during the process 
of moving the press back. He later found out that the 
driver was Lieutenant R. PIERCE ^ At ^this point. Chief 
STEVENSON approached JONES and Stated that there had been 
a change in plans and that two automobiles were now going 
to be used. 'These automobiles were located behind the 
press line and were started up and ha!d to drive through the 
press line to get into position. JONES >assisted in holding 
back the press lines during this process and gave instructions 
to all. officers near the jail of fice and the doors to a],\c>^-7 r'.n 

^.No.5056 JONES,O.A. Depositioiu. 
" ■ *- Dallas 3-24-64 

12/2/63 Dallas, Texas ,. . „ ul 44-iWy 
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by Special Agent c FmAPD T, MARTTV f, VFWNn?TH P Dot. dictated 1?/?/6^ . 

HUGHES /eah a A 

Thla documut eootalna neither taeomiMDdatlone nor cenelua\bns ot the FBI. It !• the property of the FBI and U loaned to 
yoiu a«encyt it and Ita eootonta are not to be dlatrtbuled eutaldo. your a«eaey. 



Jones (O. A) Exhibit No. 505B 



329 



DL 44-1639 
2 



?ht i-^J^^u^^^ ^"""^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^° ^^^ automobiles dcvm 
mLlV^^ ^^A Su^^^S^'' ""^^ ^° ^^^^- After the shooting 
JONES learned that Detective CHARLIE BROWN was the driver 
of the first automobile and Detective DHORITY, initials 
believed, to, be C. T.. was the driver of the second autLo- 

,u r. ^ JONES was walking up "the Commerce Street ramo 

unfLntn-f^S^^^r.^^N^"^ ^^^' "«^^^ ^^ comes," IromS 
b^.-^r^^^^^^ ^S'^^^'i^^^^- '^^^ P^li^^ lines were again 
n^t?^ re-formed and JONES turned and gave orders to the 
policement: in the vicinity not to let anyone follow ^t 
prisoner up the ramp. JONES noticed that Chief STEVENSON 
was across the ramp and further on up the ramp from him^Pl f 
^''^ "^^^^nS^o^^^^^^^ "BLACKIE" HARRISON was irthe general 
fyr-^T.-^^^^ then turned to watch the crowd and the police 

^Sscuf^lel ?rth/ '^r '%^^^ ^''^' ^^ turned anrsaw^ 
i:wo scuttles in the center of the ramp and, at this no^n^ 

gave the order to seal the exits and ?amps He then^ap^ ' 
proached the area where the scuffles were taking p!ace 
noticing at this point that the second automobile was ' 
closer to the jail door than he realized as he h!d ?o go 
around it to get to the scene of the scuffle? A^he af ^ 
proached this scene, he heard two or three unidentified 
s:er\uBY':L'in"?b^ JACK RUBY Upon hil arrivarftihe 
nl^el'hf cL^ot recaU.'"''"^^ "' ^"^ detectives whose 

At this point, JONES noted that Lieutenant SWAIN 
of the Burglary & Theft Bureau, was having trouble holding 
back the crowd and JONES gave the order to get the prisoner 
back in jail and to help Lieutenant SWAIN. JONES, himself 
helped Lieutenant SWAIN and thereafter went into the jail * 
office where he saw OSWALD on the floor with a bullet V70und 
in his stomach slightly under his left rib cage. JONES 
then left the jail office and noted that at this time the 
ambulance was arriving. He saw OSWALD taken out of the jail 
office and put into the ambulance and the ambulance start 
up the ramp. JONES noticed there was a slight delay from 
the time that OSWALD was placed in the ambulance and the 
time that it left the ramp, due to the armored car still 
being located on the ramp, JONES then placed two officers 

Jones (O. A) Exhibit No. 5056— Continued 



330 



Il 44-1639 



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m the swinging doors just outside the jaxl offxce ar;d 
iidvised them to let persons leave who had proper identiti- 
i^ation. At this point or just after he arrived on the 
-hird floor, JONES told Lieutenant R. E. KG KIK^^EY to get 
:en detectives and go to Parkland Hospital. JONES, himself, 
lid not see the shooting, 

JONES stated that he did know RUIiY and had 
Imown him prior to 1952, when he ran the Silver Spur, 
i night club on South Ervay, He stated that prior to 
L952 he V7as a Lieutenant covering this district and had 
^one into the Silver Spur, at the most, six times loolcing 
cor white subjects. JONES stated he lcnev7 the name JAC.C 
IU3Y, but stated it was doubtful he could connect the name 
7ith the individual without seeing his face. JONES stated 
le never worked for JACK RUBY and he did not know the names 
Df any other officers who did. 

JONES estimated there were more than fifty 
people other than officers in the basement and that there 
jere tv70 television cameras in operation and one not in 
operation. He did not know the names of any of these in- 
dividuals , 

Due to the fact that JOl^S was recalled frcm 
vacation, he was not present at any briefing on the 
security measures that were to be in effect in the basement 
on November 24, 1963. JONES knew that the officers in the 
basement vjere stopping individuals and aslcing for identifi- 
cation and, in fact, he, himself, was stepped and asked to 
produce his identification by a reserve officer. He Imev? 
of no unauthori7'="^ person in the basement, with the exception 
of JACK RUBY,v;?i> 4 .e saw after the shooting. Ke did not 
see JACK RUBY in the basement or talld.ng to any individual- 
prior to the shooting. Re did not see JACK RU5Y at any time 
between November 22 and 24, 1963. He stated he is currently 

Siding- im investigation of £'^y relationship between RUBY 
and OSWALD by i SA'S JAMES W. BOOKHOUT and GEORGE W. R. 
CARLSON, of the FBI, but had no knowledge of any relation- 
ship between RUBY and OSWALD prior to their current investiga 
tion. 

Jones (O. A.) Exhibit No. 5053 — Continued 



331 




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-•3."! lod not'?s on i-ros:l''r-nt Kennr-dy's oi\vp to '"rxaSjKov, 21-22, 19 -3 » taken froi 
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Upon landing at thp airiiort in San Antonio, thu^.-^day, nov. 21, we arrived 
thi're at 12:30 ?."■., exactly 2'+ hours and a Minute before^ thn ^President v/as 
to he shot. Onr prsss pl-ine arrived a_.;ii-o>:i 'lately ore honi- l/'^fo^e the Presi- 
dent, We arrived there also hefore. Air 7orcf 2, the plane bearin;^ the Congress- 
-ien„ w'e got thci^e in a Pan-Amoricari jpt, and it had hee-n dri?,zlln3. or threaten- 
ing to drij'.zle in V/ashington vhcn v/e j^ot to the '.•■hite House at 9:30 in the 
morning and' left Andrev/s Air Force Base a little after 10:30. Tlie big jet sort 
of loafed alonr;, especially vmen it reached Oklaho^ig, cuttint^ dOvn its al- 
titude gradually and bringini; us in easily on t;".n'= at San Antonio. One of tne 
very first things that we noticed there vriiZTi war. that newspapers '■■ere hoin^ 
sold .in front of the San Antonio airport — the headline of the jifternoon > 
daily nevrspaper bore out the fact that the President already had arriv.'d, 
and the unper "part of the story said that he was gr =;eted by rnanj'' thousvinds 
of cheerini^ ^)=ople. It was still the better part of an' hour before he actually 
did -arrive^when I first savr one of those newspapers; Several, other nevrspapc'r'-nen 
were re~.ar;-.l;v-j to each other that a paper- was takin;; a terrible chance — a 
risk, an obvious risk — in selling newspapers on the street to the eff^'Ct 
that ->the President was already there, greeted by thousands and nad" his way'' 
lo'-ntown, through the downtown section b'^'for'e pisny thousands, of cheerl-'i^ 
people, even before he'd actually gotten there. The Eexar County Democratic 
Chairnan (I have his na^^e in my handwritten notes), while I was standingj 
talking with Mayor McAllister, came up to the I-feyor and thanked hin pro '"use ly . 
■for agreeing- to' cor.ie out and welco'iie the President- The Mayor bcin^ a !\eput- 
lic?,n and having rjot been invit;ed to co'ie out and gr'.^;-^t the President until 
about 2W hours earlier — ab^ut 2:30, he said, the afternoon before — which 
wo^ild hav.- been the afternoon of Wednesday, Ilov. 20. The Mayor ^--as quite 
perterbed at the politics of the non-political trip and, so, obviously, were 
the Democrats. There were no county or city lead -rs of Bexar County and San . 
Antonio on ha.:d to greet the President in the v/elcor.d/ig line,' v.-hich vras 
re-narkably strange, and that was because of the Libfral-Conservatiye split 
'•'ithin th'^ Texas Party, Lyndon Johnson arrived in a separate plane and- went 
i'nji9dia"'-'-ly to an office in the airport. There he renained fron view from 
thp public, and a's the .Air Forcte 2. plane, bearing the Congressmen, sat down, 
they vrent in one by one or in small groaps to talk with the Vice President-. 
Gov-. Gonnally arrived just moments before the President, having been in Houston 

9rlier i'l the day,. I believe to deliver a noontine- luncheon address, (check). 
The central terminal buildinj; at the San Antonio airport vas crowded, about 
fo^iT people deep, ' at the picture windows facin.i3 onto the apron of the runv.'ay 
when the President and his wife arrived. An outdoor observation platform on 
top of t\\'- build'ln^-i- the builo'lvig being a very tall,, one-story structure — ., 
people obviously having arrived earlier in the day were -about six detiio, I, 
woald i;T!a;;-_ine, And as the President and '-Irs, Kennedy stepped off the' plane, 
and made their way through the reception line, the' crowd oh top of the, airport 
terainal building, obviously had co'ie to see Mrs. Kennedy, FoT they "nollered: 
Here, -Jackie; Look here, Jackie; Lobk over here, Jackie;, and as she snlled 
and waved, there v/as great applause froin the crowd , Mr, Kennedy beamed 
proudly also. It was a balmy day in San .Antonio. Qloads had followed us 
down fro" 'Jashington. They broke somewhere around the Red River and becar.e 
sparser- a."; vre neared San Antonio. 3y the tine wq got there, there were quite 
a few flakes of clouds in the sky, but it v.raa a warm, balmy day, a typical 
winter's d -y in south-central Texa.s-. It certainly was a long ride frO;T the 
airport to the point of President Kennedy's sneech; The route of the ir.otorcade 
going all the way into dov.'ntown, then out again in another directions All 
i;"i all the ride being about 20 miles . After the speech, we v;ere not 'C0_ co-ne 
back ou-t, to that airport, but went instead t,o Ke lly ^ield. So far as the 

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pr-fiss '■'.:is coiicerned, the most PVentiJul u,-,rt of thp motorc'ide ridf \':\z t.'nc- 
rr\^.ain:j of the "pool" notes (I have exv.ct na'ur-s of t}\ose in Air Force 1 
vrith the Prosident, in the Press pool). (There v;ere 2 press Isuses', a? thf.re 
would be in each othe cities. The pool notes vr^'re nv'i in e^.ch. as \-re .''ovp-cl 
throngh Son Antonio's streets.) One o" the' pool nen '-.'as Ji; i Mfithis, for -nc-.rl/ 
Oi the Houston Post and, now of Advance New Service-, which tiiE is the j--(rvlce 
for the Kev.'honse n^^/spapers. rie scored the hit of tire day by hc-viriT; h'vl >•. 
private conversation with Sen. Ralph Yarhoxou[;h in Air Force 1. Yarborou^h 
was an invited guest of the President in the President's plane. TJurin-^ the 
interview, Sen. Yarborough took a wonderful crack at Gov.. -John B. Connally. . 
'vhen the pool report was read in the bus, the; reporters broke joat in lau.^hter 
and cheers at the Senator's rough-. troatp-.ent of the Governor. Thir wasn't 
becaUpe the reporters were on one side or the other-- or any side at all — 
but this was £,ood copy, the feud., The liberal-conservative fight vras clearly 
o;i, despite the fact that President Kennedy had cook to niake peace between 
both factions. A fairly strong wind was blowing wher. the President mounted 
the .platforta outdoors to make his speech in Gan Antonio, The. disco'^forture 
of the Party solit and the v;ind had its affect. I believe, on birr, and the 
people on the platform. They looked quite a bit unccmfortable. In Gan 
Antonio, Sen. Yarboroarh was schedule to ridp in the sa^ie car Vrith the Vice 
President, 'Irs. Yarborouj^h and Lady Bird John. The cenator refused to j^ile 
in the car and rode instead in another one. The President was unhappy. '.': cause 
of the hit li-s.. Kennedy was making San Antonio, the riale_ reporters we -e 
■anxious to get. a description, an accurate description, of what she Has 
v-earing. And so the stewardesses , on the Pan-Ain press plane helped us '"/j.ite 
a bit, and so did Marrianne Means of McarGt. Certairly not to be ior/,f:'t '"en 
in San Antonio 'was the recollection of Albert ' 7 ho.-'iaH of Houston, stan-'ir.^ 
on the ap.ccn of the runv/ay, .i/aitinii for the Prasider.t to arrive, vjith Jack 
Erooks. "j:, Thonas, v;ho was only to be the ^^uest of rionor at Preside.ni. 
KennediJ-'s address to be made that evenin,^ inHoustor, had been left of? the 
President's plane when it left yashintitbn, '.-Jhat haprened was (I ha.ve notes 
on this) , the Air Force placed Albert Thonas on Air Force 2 v;ith the rest 
of the rest of the Con^^ressnen. He said that hanoened because the generals 
were In charge of it instead of the sergeants. It i\fgs another political back- 
fire as the Presidential" tour got under way in Texas » V/hen the speech '-.'as 
concluded in San Antonio, as. the reporters hurried back into the. press 
buses, and the Congressmen got into their op(;n cars, the President and his 
lady re-iained at the side of the platforr: fro'i •■.'hich the President had 
spoken. They let themselves be besieged by people anxi us to sha'-. s their 
hands an.d ask for auto:j,raphes. Mr. and 'Irs. Kennedy re.'nained there several 
ninutes, co.nplately inundated by peonle happy to see thera , up' close. It was 
late in the afternoon of Thursday i;hen our bl^ plane lumbered into the 
skies over Houston, circling, the city and setting down at the airport. '.'^ 
land just r^io.-ients Before Air Force 2. The crowd there was sizable. It r--^.n 
into the several hundreds^ It was not typical Houston weather. It was not • 
very hunid at all. It was balmy, as it ha':] bec^n in San Antonio. It obviously 
had been a warm afternoon. There vms a roped off area for reporters and 
photo grar.hers to stand, facing the. reception 'line, and as soon &i ,the Presileni 
and his party had passed through the reception line, I ducked under 'the rope 
and v;ent to the place v/here Senator and Mrs. Yarborough vrere" standing. On 
n;/ vray, I apssed by the car set aside for Vice President and. Mrs. Johnson. 
Mrs. Johnson gave me a big friendly v/ink and a big "hi." The Senator and 
his wife were^standing tvro cars back. The Senators was looking terribly un- • 
comfortable. I a-;ked him about the reports that he had refused to ride with 
t ;a.Vice President in San Antonio. "That's a nistake," he said. .Havln,^ .just 
said it, he looked even' more lunio jfortable then as a :.\an — an of ric?^a3-. of 
the r':otorcaae — came up to hi'ii ana saiu. "Senator, you are scnsdulec lo 
'ride vriththe ''/ice President, You and KiTS. 'Yarborough." "That must he 
yesterday's schedule," said the Senator. He said: "Thate have been so.ne change; 



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I think you'll fin', tlii^re's anoibher scho''.ule." And ■ tie man began to protest 
so.-'.ev'hat' hplplnssly v;ith the Spnator. But .just then, A. Te>:as Hou'-c nenbor ■ 
ca.ne alon,;;, fron Tnrthfir back in the motorcade .cars, I think it v;as .Albert 
Tb.onas, and said to the Senatot that there vaa auoth^r place for hin and 
Mi\=:. YTrborou;:'^ to ride (Check .seating in Houston motorcade). Tli-^re war> no 
nore troiible '.'ith the .iian and his motorcade list. There never weice ^any 
anti-KonnPdy ?i^n.'-; in Texas. I have notation.s on raost.of tho.^e s^en at the ■ 
sid=s of th^ streets. Ilovfever, there were ev^ai fewer in Houston that there 
had bat-n in San Antonio. The long ride in fro a the' airport to dovnto'7r, 
Houston was vc-rr pleasant and at ti::ies the sides of the road v;er; '[uite 
packed ',/itr:; people. The r.iezaanine of the Rice Hotel was odequatc-ly , set up for 
the press. Tl.ere was a lar^e room with a bar in it and a tabl'-- l-'/len with 
fine things to eat. I v/ent to a nearby room, though, having f irsi.. ■ Lalkid to 
sone of the peor^le on the Houston Press, and went to v/ork in a non which 
typp'-.T iters and good press facilities sot up. I wrote and then, dictated 
a story to 'Washington.' The story was the story of the day.' It was the story 
of political backfires and bad timing on the Presidential tour. Originally 
the President v.'as scheduled to leave the Rice Ilotel for the Albert Tho'^as 
finner at 8:-0 (check). However., it was announced after we got to the Rice 
Hotel, by Presidential press aid/e Malcoih-r. KildufT (Pierre' s second assistant' 
v7ho v;as handling all press chores on the trip), that Mrs. Kennedy -/ould 
make an appearanco with her husband on the mezzanine of the' Rice at a 
meeting of the LULACs (check). The President and his. lady arrived there about' 
8:'-tO. They vrerc ru-ming late. The Gov.'-'^rnor v;as a-'nong those vrtio had spc''en 
to the members of the LULACs in the room before the President and Mrs. 
Kennedy arrived. Mrs. Kennedy's voice was thin. It was cultured. But with 
both of those, it v.'as also very v/arn as she spoke in Spanish to the LULACS 
and they, replied in kind with a tumultuous ovation.' Since the press v/as 
crowded into a position behind- the platform and off to the platfori's side 
in the'rooij, at the, door through vrhich the President and Mrs. Kennedy would 
arrive, I got away froi.a the crowd .and walked down the' hallvray on, the mezza- 
nine floor aiid was sta ding against the wall, v/aitir.g for the .Kennedys, 
as they wal';e'l past me. The Frosident turned to no, rrrailed and said "ht:"'lo.-' 
The tenor of the trip see-faed to 'change from thf; .lomi^nt Mrs. Kennedy made 
her brief her brieiS remarks in Spanish. Ve hurried to the coliseum , w'loih • 
is a"; out six blocks away from the Ric'e Hotel, and tire President vras greeted 
by a great ovation there; The trip v;as nov; a- happy one. The .pResident brought 
dov/n the hou.'^e with^vrhat appeared to be a slip of the tongue, when, he 
described a pay load' in the NASA operations going ofif into space from the 
station in Houston as being' "payroll. " The diaz at -fhe ooliseuMi -y.-as dle'Uated . 
Looking at.it froi.i the front, from v/here, all the dirner viewers could, see 
it, it ap.>'ared as tlidugh t,he people at the diaz Vxere seated in' a nor;:',al 
v.'avj but actually, below and beMrid .the diaZ: — there^ were steps leading down . 
to an area o'-'scured' from .public view. It was curtaired off. In that area, 
stood the President's protectors — ■the members of tl'.e Secret .Service-- incase 
a f-^natic trie-] to come up from behind. It 'v/as a .basic protective step, .but 
one vihich the public really 'doesn' t realize is in efTect. Jiggs Fauver stayi-d 
behind .-.'ith us, in order to give the press enough time to file stpries by -. 
telephone .^nd overhead. The Presidential party and r.ttendant CongressMen flow . 
off in Air Force 1 and 2-. '.^[e left about an hour after they did. (check 
prior story, before trip, when Pier:re at brief ing, Mried to convince '.''■.He 
House reporters this v;as a non-political trip, even to the Albert Thona? . . 
dinner, which brokw up 'tlhe reporters). A trnp like this is a dri' king tripj 
When vre goL on the plane, at Andrews , >even 'before 'the plane began to taxi, 
blool'./ n.irvs were handed out all ar'ound, and that \ins at about 10:3? in '':'i>. 
"voi-nirig. Tf'.-- rt^norters did a little bit of drii.king and whatever worl.' wss 
e.Tsent'ial on each 'phase of t'ue flight. You are keyed up. You 'ire on the go. 
i,^,*::, 'V^;-\'i--^«u9/^ Pi^^^-'^e-ups. Nobody ge-t,s drunk, even when the drink: r,./ ^ets -// 
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and v/ent by bus to the Hotel Texas. The President riad arrived th^re about 
an hour before us. There still vfere '-•lany people in the stroetn at the side 
of the hotel and lux the lobby itsplf was packed. It was 12:W5 a.rn. by the 
tine I got up to my room and got my lnj^;f,age, 1 had fully inth^nded to go 
to the Press Club, ac:!epting several invitations from people in the lobby — 
old friends — and especially then to 20 on to the Cellar. I had pro'nised to 
take Felton V/est to the Cellar. But I saw another pair of old friends on 
the fifth floor, as I ivas joinjj to ny room — Bill Kavrorth and his vrife. They 
asked me to stop off and have a cup of coffee v/ith them in the coffee shop 
on the lobby floor, first. \ve sat at a table with Congressman Jim Wri^^ht, 
Texas Attorney General V/a^^joner Carr and Mrs. Carr. Also present v;as Cliff 
Carter of the Vice President's staff. Ralph Yarborough was upstairs ir. his 
quarters, holding a closed meeting with his liberal su.ioorters. (He also 
v;as called in by the President and told that if he did not ride with 
Lyndon Johnson the next day in Dallas, he could walk.) Pretty soon the 
Governor came into the coffee shop and sat down at a table two tables av;ay 
from ours and he began holding forth in a conversation i-;ith a small group 
of reporters, off the record. He was asked about politics in Texas and 
was asked extensively about the rift between the liberal and conservative 
forces. During this conference, he explained that historically a man, if 
he wanted to get into politics at all in Texas, would be a Democrat until 
only the most recent of years (roughly after 1955) , and that there v/ere many 
shades of Demicrats. I7hat appeared to be a major fight to reporters from the 
East actually was standard procedure in Texas. Besides belittling the rift, 
among Democrats, he also said that Barry Goldwater of Arizona had reached 
a zenith in Texas and that the election next year would certainly be a close 
one but that President Kennedy viould ultim.ately win. The Governor went back 
upstairs shortly after two o'clockln the morning. Henry Gonzalez v;as aother 
Con=;ressman in the coffee shop tal'/'ing to his friends. Felton Jest came in 
and had bacon and eg^s, and asked if I would go with him to the Cellar. 
I told him I'd had a little too much of a day, so he went on by himself, l'j 
dawn the skies were weepy. The Pr isident originally was supposed to speak to 
a large Chamber of Commerce breakfast on the mezzamine of the Hotel Texas. 
But there had been so much insistence on the part of people in Fort '..■orth 
frora all walks of life — Jim Wright had prevailed upon the President earlier 
in the v/eek to step outside and be seen at least by the crov;d. The President 
agreed to go even further and said that he wo ild speak before the breakfast 
in the parking lot across the stro.-«t from the Hotel Texas. Hundreds packed 
into the area. Though it was raining, they began seeking good standing room 
positions even before dawn. With Jackie again getting a wonderous ovation, 
the President departed from his text, inside the hotel, saying he felt as 
he had he had felt in Paris. That he was the man who was Mrs. Kennedy's 
husband. Governor Connally. called a press conference to be held in another 
room on the mezzanine as soon as the President's ad3ress at the breakfast was 
ended. During that press conference he ans^'iered for the record many of 
the same nucstions which had b-^en ask^^d of him off the record e.^rlier in the 
morning in the coffee shop. The Governor's press conference had not beon on 
the agenda previously, and so we didn't have much time then to get to the 
i)ress buses and depart in the motorcade for Car swell air force base, and 
an unusual flight — from Fort 'Worth to Ballas. The side entrance, the 8th 
Street entrance at the Hotel Texas, was so packed v;ith people v/aiting for 
President and Mrs. Kennedy to come out that door, I decided to go out the 
main entrance, the Main Street entrance, and v/ork my v;ay around. As I was 
going around, I paused to shake hands vfith several old friends, faces which 
I hadn't seen in the past year and a half, two years or longer. I wonked my 

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the"^sun warout"by°now.'"i had my raincoat on my arm. .and held an envelope full 
of notes, and my protable typewriter, as I slipped m the manure. The fall "as^ 

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5555?5?'r'5';v— kennedy 

broken by my loft hand vjhich lancJpd finmrply in the pile of .stuff. This 
was neyt to the President's car. This ir^s a -n^ltur of t/r^nt d',;lL,jht to the 
le'-'as Con^ressnen vho were on hand. A number of them — four or five anyway — 
f^ot out of their cars and came over to me. 'Henry Gonzalez, and Olin Teague 
both rn^kin^ quite a point of the fact that no natter v/here I go, I step in it. 
Malcol-n Kilduff, the assistant to Pierre Salinger ^ rushed up to me and said 
angrily that I vas not ^ioin^ to be able to ^'-'^ on the press goin^ out to 
Cars^.'ell Air Force Base-, He said you'll have to sit on top of the press bus 
unless you can so-iehow v/ash that s-iolT off. Kilduff vas in a ^^re^t mood that 
norin?;, because he had been among those who had gooe to the Cellar during the 
early morning hours. The President's departure roiite, ^oin.j to ^arswell, 
had caused quite a stir in Fort '.'orth. \;'e went out Henderson Av-;)",ue to 
Jacks'ooror Highway to- '7hite Settlement in the hdinky tonk region. On'^ of the 
•vhite House reporters spotted a couple of '-'omen stan-linj alongside the road 
as ve vjere on our way to Car swell and said: "Men, I fsT:^ think '-'e've .ia^t 
parsed a couple of hustlers. No, No, it couldn't be this early in the lorning. 
CouL'iit? " Being in Fort Worth was .lust as I'd (fleared it would be. I /;ot a 
look at faces just in pas.-;ing. One exanple v/as a large fork lift brou:j,ht to 
the side of the road as v/e were preparing to turn of" Jacksboro onto 'hite 
Settlement. Sitting on th - fork lift were Harry Rubin and George Levitan. 
They vere elevated to about a two-story level. They were sitting, up there, 
lau?;hing and waving. I had been married in Mr. Levitan' s house 11 years 
earlier. It had be^n raining in Dallas earlier in the morning also. As we 
flew in, "la'^ing one large circle in a 10-minute flight, the sun v;as out. 
The crowd bx at Love Field was by far the largest we had soen. once down, 
the President and "■■Irs. Kennedy broke ranks and walked along a vrire fence 
shaking hands v;ith dozens and dozens of people, and it seemed almost 
immediately as if the people in Dallas vjere out to convince the President 
and his wife that they wanted no part of the Stevenson affair or the a T fair 
a couple of years ago (I96O) vrith Vice President and Mrs. Johnson (then 
Sen. majority leader) dov^ntown. The crowds that lined the motorcade route, 
going dov.'ntown first and then out to the- Trade Mart, vjere iay^^iy larger 
than they had been in Houston, although Houston has more people. This was 
due in part largely to the fact that this was lunchtime. It v;as on our 
minds — the feeling that there could be some sort of violence, or a show 
o" aggravation to^-mrd the President or the Administration. The reporters 
on the press bus (I was on the second of the tiTO press buses this time) 
vjere talking about the" fact that we were due to go past Gen. F.dwln Walker's 
house as vre went down Lemon Ave., but that proved to be false. However that 
consumed quite a bit of time in the discussion among the reporters. They 
were also taken with the fact that there were mighty few anti-Kennedy signs 

along the motorcade route. One of the signs was : John Kennedy in 196h. 
A.nd on the other side, it said: Barry Goldwater in ISS^-.. As we turned into 
the dov;ritown canyon, there was just a v;hale of a lot of people. It was 
later estimated that a quarter-million people were on hand to see the 
Presidential party^ counting those at the airport and those lining the 
route l»'-ading into downtown, as well as downtown itself. They were standing 
so r.i^tir.es 10 deep at the curb, especially in the Akard and Ervay areas of 
Main Stre-t. I had a windown seat. There was no one sitting next to me. There 
was a mar. sitting directly behind me at a window seat (see notes for his 
name). ?Ie v;as talking to me about President Kennedy's plans with the 
Do.iiocra'ic I^ational committee. Now, this man shoul-3 not have been with the 
White House Press group. He rode on the press plane and was designated as 
a member of the White House staff. However, he was just taking a freeload 
ride because he v;as going to vacation in Oklahoma. (Iwas exercising the 
Washington cocktail party technique with him. I v/as listening to what he 
said, I was thinking that he would be a subject for an expose 35si piece because 
2r his ride at taxpayer expense. I v/as looking out the v/indow for friends on 
i-ne crowds on the packed streets. A three-way activity while giving the 
aT)r:ifiarance ofi just listening.) He was a member of the Democratic Natl Committee. 



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I .sa\>r t\'/o faces of old friends as wg passed on Main rtroot In thr- vicinity 
of tlip Timps Herald, to thp north on Fi^ld. I sav; CharllR Catos ?nd the 
business colu'.nist. The man was .sayinji that it wasn't public kno'-rlod^e -jpt 
but it vould be announced fairly soon, Prosident Kernedy was ^oltc to imke 
a fund-raising appearance in each Hfek of the 50 states. His a.')oearance in 
Austin scheduled for later that day would be the first, Texas would be the 
first, ad W9 nore would be conducted, l-iadin^ up to the campai.^n of 196U-. 
\ie were then in front of the Ballas County Jail Builriing, e-.ier^in;]; around 
the corner, onto Houston .Street which is bordered on the left by Dealy 
Plaza (on the west, the county jail bein;] on the east), (the man behind me was 
.going to take a vacation; a hunting trip into Oklahoma, I believe. Check 
notes.) Precisely at that moment, I heard tv/o shots in rapid succession, 
separated by about four second. The first shot, I did not hear for vre must 
have been still coming just around the corner when it happened . There was 
not instantaneous concern. A reporter sitting across the aisle from me, 
v;ho was bangin^ out a story of the President's speech to be made at the 
Trade Hart moments later. He was working from a prepared text. Scarcely 
looked up. Some of the reporters said that it had beon a pair of backfires 
despite the loudness of them. However, I looked onto the grassy hill near 
the triple underpass at the end of Dealey Plaza (the northwest end) and I 
saw a woman in a green dress struggling to run up the hill. I saw a man 
following her quickly and knocking her down. 'He lunged and grabbed her at 
the waist and palled her down to the ground. It ser-ined to me she had firel 
the shots I had just heard because by now I was convinced they had been shots. 
There was an emotional outburst on the bus right at that point. '\e, saw much 
panic on the grass at Dealey Plaza. I sqw a man drop to his knees, huddling 
tv;o children — two small children — pounfing the ground vdth a fist. To our 
right, on the other side of the bus, people v/ere still standing, v/avir.g 
flags, smiling cheering, not realizing what had hanpened in the handful of 
seconds just past. Our bus moved a few f:iet more and the faces of the 
people were changed. There were people by now screaming, pushing, beginning 
to run. We took off at a high rate of speed. The reporters in the bus were 
yelling to be allowed to get off the bus. I could see the photographers' 
pool car stoaped, just at the far end, under the triple overpass, as we 
r'='ached that point. Photographers were scrambling, out , running back tov/ard the 
Te"as School book Depository Bldg. It did not occur to any of us, concretely, 
that moment or furing the hectic ride to the Trade Mart that anything 
specifically had happened to the President. It seemed to us perhaps that 
someone in the crovrd had been hurt, or that the Secret Service had seen fit 
to fire on somebody for one reason or another. No one voiced any opinion 
that the President had been hit. We sat almost silently as the bus took us 
at a high rate of speed out Stemmons, having swung onto Stemmons from the 
triple overpass, I v/ould say at about between 60 and 75 miles per hour. 
Those people v/e passed-- at the side of '^.termons — had a strange look, a 
doubtful look, a look of surprise and disappointment. We didn't kno'-f that 
the President vrasn't ahead of us. Those people did and they didn't knov; 
what had happened. V7e brought to the side of the Trad i Mart. V/e i-;ere emptied 
out of the buses. It v;as then ve realized that something tragic really had 
happened because we were there all alone. V/e burst into a small, side doorway 
of the Trade Mart. A policeman, or tvio policemen stationed there, didn't wasnt 
to let us in. We insisted. "When we got past a small lobby and got inside, on 
the edge of this massive hall v;here hundreds of lu cneon diners were waiting 
for the arrival of the President, vie realized (with soft music playin^ ar d 
the rustle of plates and silverv/are) that no one in that massive place knew 
yet that anything had gone wrong, (appeared to know). We asked al^out press 
facilities. We didn't ask. V/e were excited. VJe were demanding. We told to 
go to a press room on the fourth floor. V/e expected there to get an announce- 
ment. V/e ran up the moving stairs of an "esculator (j-t seemed plausible that 
vihen v/e got there, vie would be ushered into a balcony area, reserved for the 
pr-!ss, so we could see the President make hi? speech and know that he was, . . 
all right. V/e thought perhaps someone else might have been hit or nearly hit). <i^ 



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77777^7 — ktinnedy 

'hen we p;ot to the press room on thfl fourth floor, \u--< found facn.iti-\'; there 
for t^^legraph. There were no phon^'S available that \re noticed. If there v/gs 
n phone, it wqs in use. V/e charjjed hack 3ovn n^ain, dov/n the esculator, two, 
thr'^'- steps at a tine. People on the edge of the luncheon au-li'.nce sav; us 
runi-.inv; around and lau^jhed at us. They thou:iht we were perhaps what they had 
pictured to be the harried, hustlin;^, hurryin.j White House pn-j.ss — "astenn 
reporters, unable to relax like Texas reporters perhaps — as if they pitied 
as for not relaxing as one should do in Texas. One of the reporters had the 
presence of mind to call the police station instantly (where my nresence 
Df -nind was, I don't knov/. I knew the tovm, the police, the nev/sp'^ioers. ) I 
savr reporters clo_;.3ing a snail bank of phones. I assumed they v/ere phoning 
their papers to tell their city desks that there had been shots ^nd so^iething 
lad ijOne v/ronp;. I rlidn't know why they were phoning v/hen we had no knowledge 
Df lirhat had happened. It v/as my all-time prize mistake in judgment. The reporter 

ho got through to the police, turned to us. He spoke calmly, so the rest 

f us could understand clearly, but not loudly, so as not to panic anyone 
passing by. He said Chief Stevenson (actually a sub-chief under Chief Curry) 
told him that the President had been shot and had be n taken to Parkland 
(Memorial) Hospital. V/ith that, I hollered at frlen-^s of mine from the press 
2orps and told them to follov; me, because I knew the area and co'Jld get to 
Parkland quickly (hov/, I didn't know). I expactod to charge out and get a 
3ab. If a cab even had besn there, anyone could have gotten in and asked to 

taken to Parkland. You didn't have to know the area for that. A. bystander — 
I never did find out his name — said if v;e needed a car, he had one. I 
lollerei at a couple more people. Ithinlj there were seven of us altogether. 

e ran to his car. It \ras a station wqgon, ■'e piled in. He took us fro a 
the T ade l-'nrt to Parkland at breakneck speed, at tines going against traffic 
laving his horn wide open. The President had been fatally shot at, 12:^^1. 
\t 12:55 we were at the hospital. The only reporters there ahead of us weri 
those four in the pool car which had been up close to the President. The 
nan in the station wagon drove us to the emergency entrance. As we jumped 
from his station ''agon, we were scant -feet av;ay fro'n the President's csr. 
"he two right-hand doors of the car were open. There v;ere crsuhed red roses 
Dn the back seat. There was a pitiful trail of bloof, leading from the 
oackseat of the car to the sidev/alk at the emergency entrance. Standing 
right there, looking at it, as if unable to move — transfixed — ''.'as Senator 
I'arborough. I talked to him, asked him what happened. By and large he told 

e it v;as something too horrible (see notes). The Senator's voice vras husky 
and quavering. I managed to get into the hospital wit.h a policeman's help. 
Che o^'ficer had seen me talking to the Senator. I showed my I'/hite House card. 
I was never more insistent in my life about having to get into a place. He 
escorted me inside, I got a phone iMiediately across from the emrgoncy surgery 

rea door. I was the first reporter into the hospital, aside from the four 
pool men who already were in and on phones. I called Washington and was 
lisctating a first-person account. The wire service \>'ere minutes ahead of me. 
I concentrated on Yarborough's feelings of sight and sound. I saw' the priest 
;o into thf= e-'V'-rgency area, the floor being guarded by a somber-looking 
'ecret Service man with a small white buti.on in his lapel, designating his 
role as a Secn^-t Service man. I sav/ Mrs. Jolinson, shaken, v/hite, V'Ping escorted 
Dut of the area , supported by the arms of tvro men. She looked as if she 
rould be ill in another moment. I finished phoning, \-.'ent again into the 
iallv;ay. Albert Thomas and .Henry Gonzalez were standing together near the 
nain o^^iergency entrance doorway j leading to the outside. I asked if they 
could t-11 me anything more. Neither one seemed able to talk. Albert Tho-ias, 
«;ho only the evening before had been so lavishly praised by the President 

the Houston testimonial dinner, and who had been urged earlier in the yeay 
?v the President not to retire from Congress at the end of I96W because of 
^ -^ l^eith. V7as able to tell me that a nuerosurgeon had been brought in, I 1)1 
realized then that the President had been shot in the head (a fact thfio most y /, 

)f the nation already knevr because the pool renorters saw the head wound at , 
about 12:35, when the President was brought to the hospital emergency entranc.e_. 



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3 o-"'""^ :"'">''— kenni>rly 

At that mopient, Malcolm Kildurr, a tra-icaVy chaniPd person fivo.i what he 
had ber-n the last tl'^ip I'd talke'.i to him, in Fort 7orth less th'in three 
hours earlier, cane walking briskly past my rear and said he had an annourjce- 
ment to nake and to follov; him. Merriran Sraith of JPI and a couple of tother 
reporters (Al Cromley of the Oklahoman V'ashin^ton 3)ureau v/as one) ca'^e 
along at the same time. Vie vient out the-emer;^ency entrance, turned to our 
left, walked onto the grass, turned left again around a corner of the 
building, vralked up a slight grassy hill, climbed over a short fence rail 
and went into -'-nother entrance of the Hospital. Heading tov/ard a stairv;ay, 
I felt a tug at the back of my coat. This v/as the Jack Ruby incident. Going 
up the grassy hill, Merriman Tmith was pleading and demanding that ralduff . 
tell us then and th^re v;hat the announcement would be. Kilduff strode quickly 
and said v/e v/ould have to wait. Kilduff 's face was grayish when v/e got into 
a second-floor classroom. It was ja-;'ied v/ith reporters.- He stood behind the 
desk at the head of tho classroom, in front of a wall blackboard, his fingers 
extended, spread on the desk-top, supporting him, wetness rolling down his 
face. Tears or sv/eat. He made the announcement in measured tones, his 
voice verging on breaking down toward the end of it. There was an imeiiate • 
rush for telephones. He said there would be a furf'^er statement in another 
10 •ninut'->s or so. He fixed the time of the President's death at "about 
1 p.n.y I v;ent ot an office dovm the hall and placod a call to '-'ashington. 
It '-/as difficult getting a line out of the hospital. The nurses in this 
office-- there v/ere a handful — seemed to b'e stunned — and they looked at 
each other dreadfully as they listened to ny conversation to VJashington. 
A western union lan who bad b 'en with us since we came down fro'.i froi 
Andrews Air Force Base came into the office. A nurse asked hin about a 
report that a Secret Service agent had boon killed out on the street. He 
said tho^ it was true. This was one of the immediate rumors v/hich sprung 
up . It took several days for this particular rumor not to be believed in 
Dallas itself (fellow in Jaggars-Gtiiles-Stovall:^ who got it from a friend 
v/ho got it from a postman supoosed to have been at the death scene that the 
shot and bleeding SS man v/as picked up and vrhisked away and it vras all 
hushed up. V/hy? I asked. Because they even have to die in secret, he said.i 
He and others hinted, that maybe the So nan was in on the plot to kill the 
President.) Ay office, by now, primarily v/as interested in what v/ould 
happen to Lyndon Johnson. V/ould ho remain in Dallas for minutes, hours, a 
day perhaps, or :!ven for the vre-kond? It v/as a matl'.er of from where the 
U.S. wo 3 Id be run. The ©"'"ice v/ould send Jack Ht :ele to Dallas to be 
v/ith me in .the event that the Vice President would remain for any length 
of time at all. ''t 'cle v/as already home, packlj2 g. ( 'fnen I v/alkf>d outside 
at about 1:2? v/ith Kilduff, Mr. -nd "'Irs, Johnson were going out, too, under 
heavy guard. They looked vrretchedly grim. LB J thought the chances v/ere good 
that he too v/ould be a target in the next fev/ minutes.) Steele v/ould bo 
covering the events surrounding the new president. I would be covering the 
police angle. It v/as curious to me, when Egger said that, I had given no 
thought as to A-/ho did this thing or why, though moi-e than an hour's time 
nov/ 'nad elapsed, except for the feeling of revulsion I had for the Dallas 
rightwing extremists xh when I learne-i in thp Trad" Mart that Kennedy had been 
shot. I fought back v/ords I want to scream,, while ru. ning for that station 
\'i3.goni^J^'^j. daam you, Dallas. Smug Dallas. God damn you. It v/as all the worse 
because Sat in the Trade Mart in a gay and festive mood. By now, the classroom, 
the makeshift press headquarters, v/as .ianmed. It vi-\s as if city editors had 
reached O'l.t and hurled people into the hospital. There v/as Bob Gait, the 
bov/ling writer, Elston Brooks, the entertainment columnist, Latryl Layton, 
the society editor. — all good and cap'-ble anyway, but oddly gathered. These 
v/ere people I knev/ v/ell and hadn't seen in at least 1^ months. vJe looked 
through each other. Nothing much shov/ed on the out5;ide. iHxi:S3q; the 
reporters were bl.=-eding internally with tears. They dripped into the sto-iach. 
They splattered in there wifebixp and made puddles of grief. A doctor came into ^ 
the room — at least everybody thought it ^-/as a doctor. It v/as Bill Stinson, ^f 

iAa?g^Sc3^°^org9i^i/^iAy3o{^?:a!5r} is HFsisgiiH^giSigaff^tYiligst^'jjiRriia m to the// 

blackboard and said to him two times: "One O'clock. One o'clock." 



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999T'999 — kennody 

(description of Kilduff viakin- his first annomcenf.Tit at 1:30, standlrjg 
behind the dos'.c — it was not so nuch the vhiteness in his fini;ers as he 
pressevi the-:i on the desk top, or tlie look on his face. It vas the color 
of his eyes. They are a rich blue. But they were nov; pale, the blue 
and whit^-ness running together in a milky v/ay.) Although CJtinson 
explained im-iediately that he v;as not a doctor, the first questioners, 
perhaps the first two or three, called him doctor as they a-.ldressed him, 
Stinson came with the announcement that the Governor was in eytre^^.ely 
serious condition, but v;ould live. Julian 0. Rsed, doing public rela- 
tions for the Governor (on hand since the v^jan Antonio stop) explained 
on the blackboard for reporters v;here the Governor and Mrs. Connelly and 
the President and Mrs. Kennedy weri sitting in the car. The/ took a 
couple of different tries — with the help of Bill "tinson — in getting 
the seating arrangement down right for the reporters. Stinsofi described 
the Governor's wounds. There was an announcement that a pool car was 
needed to go out to Love Field, and since there was no explanation in 
depth as to why only a handful of reporters left. I ran down the stairs 
with them. I decided, by the time I got do-'.mstairs that without knowing • 
what the purpose vrasy it v;ould be foolhardy to go out. This pool car 
was the one which went out to attend the si^'oaring in of the new 
PresiTPnt in Air Force One. I talked to Henry }onzglez, outside the 
hospital. He was clutching a paper bag .and harily able to talk, tie 
said the the bag contained the personal effects of Gov. Connally. Ke sai< 
he had just se ^n Mrs. Kennedy leave v;ith the body of the President. He 
had helped her into the hearse. Returning to the upstairs or ^ss head- 
qu'^rters, after talking v/ith Sen. Yarborough, Mayor Earle Cabell and 
other Texas Congressmen, I found the two doctors who had v/orked on the 
President — one on his head and one on his throat — were describing the 
condition of the President as thoy found it and as they had worked on 
it. They spoke almost entirely without emotion and answered each 
question, except that they obviously — pinched by the pressure — 
didn't understand the relentless probing of reporters, ham.nerlng 
questions in an effort to get every last detail. and get it reduced to 
the si'.-.plest of terms. The two were al'iiost cutting in their ansv/ers. 
Jiggs Fauver announced that soon v:e would be going to Love Field. 
Kilduff was no longer there in the press room. I was coaqerned with 
getting ny lujgage off the plane because I knew I vrould bV-staying 
at least for some hours. V/e entered the prf^ss buses and received a 
police escort going out. Ther" vrere already (check time) scores and 
scores of peopla standing, staring at the hospital, as if they could 
see something, as if something could be done. It was the same at Love 
Field v;hen we arrived there, except that people were much farther 
back from being able to see anything than they were at the hospital. 
Our bus vfas held at the edge of the runway because the endings of Air 
Force One vrer ■ being revved. The plane was beginning to taxi. As soon 
as it taxied into a position ready for takeoff, one of the members of 
the press corps from the Love Field pool (Sid Davis — Uestinghouse) 
ran up to us and stood on the hood of ikK a car and explained everything 
that happened during the swearing-in inside the plane, just moments 
before. 1 thdn ^rent to the Pan-Am press plane and got my bag off. The 
stewardesses looked old. I then went into the Love Field Terminal and 
phoned my office in VJashington. (explain difference bet^'^een Scripps- 
Koward and v/ire service). I told my office was heading for the jail 
dovmtown and that Lyndon was sworn in and vfas heading back. I rode ,/ 
downtown with Andy Hanson, photographer for the Dallas Times Herald W 
and with Bob Hollingsworth, ray former city editor on the Times Herald^J 
v7ho now v/as the paoer's VJashington Correspondent and had pullea nis 
bag off the plane, too. W^ had the radio on, going downtown, and lo was 

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10 — kennedy 

the first I'd h^^ard that a man nmod U-.e Harvey Osvrald had boen 
arrested and that a policc.-ian had boi-n shot iov;n dead, and. that 
Oswald had a history on the c-xtrone loft, rather than on the e/trene 
right. This ''/as by now about 3:15 (check notes), or about 2 hours, ^5 
minutes after the President was shot and tv/o hours after Oswald v;as 
captured (nearly two hours) in the Te^as Theater. I got out of the 
car outside the Times Herald Eld^ and stood on a corner on r.lm Street, 
tryinji to find a cab and there wer^ none. Waiting 10 minutes , I set 
out with my bac , port.-ible typewriter, coat and envelope of notes for 
the Da].las police station, a distance amounting tisR to the vrest-to-oast 
length of downtown Dallas, about a mile (the area of dovaitown v/hich hole 
all the larje buillincs). I checked into the White Plaza Hotel, put 
my belongings into a 10th floor room and went iri^iediately to the police 
station across the street (caty-corner on Hai'vrood). There v/as no 
excitement downtov/n. There was no outward ernotion. There v;as no weeping. 
There were no speeches. People were in the streets, waiting in line for 
buses, in their cars, walking. There were grim looks almost ever:/^//here. 
Stores were open. I had trouble getting onto the third floor of the 
police station, I had to shov; my credentials in order to be allo'-/ed 
into the hallway which by now was cloi^^ed wit.h reporters — a nevr 
set of reporters, for only a few of us took our belon2ings off the 
press plane and stayed. Most were going back to Washington. I only had 
two recollections of Lee Harvey Oswalcl. The first one was in 19^0, while 
I still wa?^ on the Fort Worth Press. He was a fellow who had been in 
the M'^rine Corps, I'd remembered and had gone to Russia, I'd rem<=:abered. 
Kent Eiffle had arranged a three-'-/ay telephone conversation in I96O 
among himself, Oswald in Russi and Oswald's mother in Fort IVorth. I.'ow, 
it took several hours to arrange the call trans-Atlanticly and trans- 
continentally and get the call into Russia to where Osv/ald v;as. At times 
it seemed it would be impossible to get the call through, but at last 
the call v;as ready and Mrs. Oswald was on her line in her home and 
Kent Eiffle, sitting directly across from me at the Press city desk, 
v/as on his phone, and here came Oswald on his phone in Russia. A.s soon 
as Osv/ald found out that it v/as his mother on the phone in Fort ''.'orth 
and it was a nev/spaperman vrho had set this thing up, so she could talk 
to her son, Oswald hung up. All those hours down the drain. The o'her 
recollection I had was that at some point last year there were stories 
in the papers that Oswald was coming home. I clipped out a story from 
the Fort V/orth Press stating that he was due home at such and such 
a time. I thought that should he come to Washington to straighten out 
his papers or his affairs, hsx I would want to talk to him. But to my 
knowledge, he never did come tm Washington. There vrere dozens of 
reporters clogged in that hallv/ay, which stretched from an entrance way 
where the elevators (two of them) opened up on the third floor, to 
the press room at the end of the corridor. In between, starting at the 
entrance way area was a door which led to an elevator going to the 
Jail cells upstairs where Oswald was being kept at intarvals. k couple 
of doors down on the same side, the right-hand side (east side) was 
the homocide office, where Capt. Will Fritz holds forth. Kext door was 
forgery & robbery, then auto theft, then the press room. That hallway 
was to remain clogged with the humanity of reporters for the next three 
da^/s. The hallway v;as about 25 yards long from entrance way to press 
room (the southwest vring of the third floor is what it was). I stayed 
pretty much' in touch with my office in Washington — perhaa^ three ;/ 
phone calls— until shortly after midnight when the Oswald press M 
conference v;as held in the police assemoly room. One old acquainLancexl 
v/ho I saw v;as Vince Drain of the FBI and in subsequent conversations 
as the hours wore on, Vince told me^that he was flying the. two Oswald 
gund to Washington sometime during the night or early morning hours. I 

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nlso loarned fro-n Vince that there had been ti/ro bullets vmich had 
hit the President, I assembled these and other facts Tor -t story for 
•Saturday's papers and in subsequent conversations with Chuck E^jer in 
l/ashin^ton, I tried to put the therms of a story together but EjiiGr 
felt the story would becone clearer as time v/ent on — it v;ould take 
more facts which would have, to hold up for Saturday. My facts v;ere 
fine for spot news. They v.'ere new. They v/ere cood scoops. But they 
v/ouldn't up throut;h Saturday. I was v/orking hours ahead of the news 
now, as a goil for a story. At intervals, Oswald's wife v/gs brought 
in and his mother, and his two small children, alon^ with ;-Irs, Ruth 
Paine to do the interpreting, and her two children, Osv/ald himself 
was leiff at intervals bwteen the elevator-cell foor and Fritz's door. 
Each time Osv;ald passed through the hallway, an ailse v/gs cleared 
wide enough for him to v/alk, v;ith no extra room. His hands v;ere 
manacle^d. He griinlj'- refused to answer questions. Each time F:^itz 
mov 'd fron one doorway to the other, when he did not have the prisoner 
in tow, he was deluged by reporters so thickly gathered around him that 
he could not be heard beyond the first tight ring of ears around him. 
people flat against him. Besides, Fritz speaks in a low, rather gravelly 
voice, A custom was begun almost immediately that the reporters up close 
would pass the word to reporters behind them, V/ith the number of radio 
and television people, reporters were Ijains interviewed by other 
reporters v/ith microphones. During the evening hours, at least one 
planeload of reporters from the F.ast arrived. Hew York City and 
V.'ashington primarily. These incl';d"d foreign correspondents of foreign 
nev/spapers, stationed in the U,3. Chief Curry was more than aware of 
their presence, and so he held what possibly is one of thomost unusual 
press conferences in police history. In the police assef.ibly room, in 
the basement, past midnight. At about 12:15 a.m., Oswald v;as led in. 
Reporters and photographers had b-^en pre-warned that an^ movements 
to>-ard Oswald — any unusual movements — any flurry of shouxed questions 
(such as had be--n goin^^ with poor Capt, Fritz) (reporters shouting, 
yelling, holl-:ring 'juestions, drowning out other questions, drowning 
out the answers) — Oswald would be led out immediately. This press 
conference was something akin. I guess, to something you night conjur 
up for the Middle Ages. Some thing like a press conference in ancient 
Home. After it .'as over, I typed out a story and phoned it in. It v;as 
about 2 a.m. (3 a,m, V/ashington time). The majority of our staff in 
Washington v?asstill at v/ork. If I had any apprehension before other 
.reporters did in the bus in the motorcade in Dallas that something had 
happened to the President when the shot sounds were heard, it was • 
because it was my first Presidential trip and I ^^ras more apprehensive 
perhaps about everything that happened or \>/as about to happen than 
the veterans, Saturday morning after getting up and having breakfast — 
my first solifl meal since a good hot lunch on the press plane two 
days, earlier-- (there had been no time or no desire to eat in the 
eventful hours since then, I felt a substantial weight loss Immediately, 
As I write this (Dec. 28, five weeks later, from notes I taped on a 
recorder tv/o weeks earlier) I still have not gained back to the weight 
I was at the start of the trip, Nov. 21). I noticed during the days that 
follov;.-d in Dallas, I had little desire to eat much, and rarely ate 
more than twice a day, though my work hours often were from early 
morning until about 9 p.m.; most of it on tht; constant go), I wnet next^ 
door to ,tha hotel Saturday morning, to Titche-C-oettinger ' s and bought ^7 

iy 
ni-^ht the ^fact'that Oswald was unharmed, except for his skirmish in the 



aoor xo ,xn" noxei aaxuraay morning, zo i ixcne-e-oexxinger- s ana nou-nu 
a couole of shirts, some underv/ear and socks, brought them to my room t^ 
and went back to the police station. Chief Curry I think had be^'n^intei: 
ested in showing the nev/ reporters vrtio'd come covrn from the East Frida^v 



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Texas Theater in O^k CliPf while he was i;ryin,; to rasirA. v.^rost. Curry 
was anxious to shov/ that there was no police brutality (pf'rh't.ps 
anticipating such a complaint by Oswald in th'? course of rooming 
a confession). The Dallas police department v;as on show Tor the entire 
world ,, especially with television and radio facilities being set up 
on the third floor. Ue were not confined to the press rooii for v/ritir.g 
and telephoning, because very few people could fit into the press roon. 
There were three telephones and two desks, as well as a couch, with 
two typewriters in the room. Police offices on the third floor v;ere 
overflowing with reporters working; on typewriters and using telephones 
through that v/hole weekend. The whole daysx was spent in the police 
station Saturday and almost entirely on the tiiird floor. Tlie luestioning 
of Osv/ald resumed. There were more rumors. Ther^? v;ere more questions 
shouted continually at Capt. Fritz, v;ho looker: tired but V/-ho v/as used 
to putting long hours to crack a good case. Early Saturday evening, 
Capt. Fritz said that based on his ex';erience, Oswald v/lll never admit 
the cine of killing the President. He said, based on his information, 
though, there is no other suspect besides Oswald and that Oswal'J v/as the 
man who had murdered the President. Not long after, about 8:15 P."i.> 
Saturday, Chief Curry made the announcement that later v;as to come 
back and haunt him. He gathered — or merely stepped out into the hallway 
on the third floor and didn't have to gather — the press. You could 
barely breathe in that crowd around the chief. It formed about hir in 
a flash. He manuevered into a position before the network TV cameras. 
The crov/d there A^/as so large that one reporter was making his notes 
on the back of Chief Curry. HT^ had his notepad placed on the right 
shoulder blade of the Chief and was writing as the Chief talked. The 
Chief said there would be no further questioning of Osv/ald during the 
night. He said Oswald vrould not be transfered to the county jail during 
the night. He assured us that if v/e were to arrive by 10 a.m. the next 
day, \-je vrould be able to see for ourselves the transfer of Oswald to 
the County Jail. He did not guarantee that the transfer would take place 
at 10 o'clock but he said that we would have time iix to see it if we 
were there by 10. Discussing this among ourselves immediately after 
the Chief made his statement, it was generally concluded that Oswald 
would indeed b^ transfered during the night. We fully expected it. I 
don't knov; of anyone who was planning to have his feelings hurt if such 
a raiddle-of-the-night move^ happened. 

(next notes — include Ruby's appearances Friday and Saturday night, the 
chicken letters, the overv/helmed reporters staring at each other) 



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By Saturday night, the executive offices of the police dfOirtmnnt 
on the other end of the third floor corridor (the southeast win^i) 
N^rere filling, up rapidly with mail, telegrams from ill p.?rts of the 
country. Telephone calls were being noted on legal-sized paper note 
pads. There was correspondence and phone calls from many narts of the 
world. Fron Australia. From r.ngland. From other countries. Some v;as 
in nature of criticism of the Dallas police, cepartment for allowing 
the assassination of the President to ha;^i:en in Dallas. Some came 
from araateur sleuths. Sweet old ladies in Des loines and so forth, 
who had th^ir own theories as to how to trap Osi;ald into the admission 
that he was the assissin, or how to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt 
that he was it, \<rhether he'd ever ad-nit it or not. One letter su^ jested 
that the police examine Oswald's teeth. The remains of fried chicken — 
the chicken bones themselves — were found by the carboard boxes at the 
sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository Eldg. V/hoever 
had eaten that lunch vrauld have traces of fried chicken betv^een his 
teeth. Another su,.,gestion v;as that Oswald's stool should be carefully 
examined. This might have branded Oswald forever in the history books 
as the 'chicken shit killer. of President Kennedy. In 17 years as a 
reporter, I had found myself in a number of curious situations, but 
none quite like this, I've never been in a place where reporters 
frequently stood staring at each otheu or sat staring at each other 
at interludes, uttering only one or two words at each other, such as: 
In-cred-ible, or unbelievable. There was exhaustion in the faces of 
the reporters. There was an atmosphere of despair, despite the quick 
pulse of action that throbbed the third floor hallv/ay, hour after hour. ■ 
3y the second day especially, Saturday, the effects of the assassination 
had set in. It \sras , even among the reporters who were v/orking hard and 
were fully occupied, it was hard to accept that v/hich had ha:">pened. 
V/e were strangely isolated. I didn't know whether Connally v;-a.'-~ alive or 
if he v;ere alive, how he was doing. I didn't knov/ if A.ir Force One ever 
landed in Vi'ashington, or was President Johnson in seclusion. I didn't 
know what happened to President Kennedy's remains except that they 
had been headed for Eethesda Naval Hospital, a few blocks from my home. 
I didn't know what life existed two blocks beyond the police station. 
I wasn't calling any friends. There was no tine. More, there was no 
thought of them. My office had called my wife Friday and told her I 
wasn't coming home immediately. I still hadn't talked to my vrife. I 
called her late Saturday morning. She was out with the children. I 
talked instead to my mother who lives in Washington. I was wholly 
interested in any movement, any thought, any vrord on that third floor. 
I talked to my v;ife briefly Saturday evening from the Dallas police 
station, told her little and didn't ask for any news beyond how she 
and the children were doing. For me, at least, the third floor of that 
50 year old building, newly, tastefully done over on the inside, was the 
only place where life existed in the world. I didn't ask my office for 
any other nev^s. I doubt if there was a reporter there who had not been 
at one time or another on a police beat. It was a return to that type 
of story again, except that any police story before, for any of us, 
was just a preparation for this one. There were many questions still to 
be asked of Oswald. Many tests yet to be given to him. In an effort to 
unravel the mystery of why John Kennedy v;as murdered. But of all the /); 
tests to be denied by the next day's brutal slaying of Oswald v;as on^^ 
that was inevitable — a psychiatric test. When aroused, I wondered. j» 
vrould Oswald slam his fist on the table three times, shout a vrord thrie 
times in anger, kick at a door three times. There had been three shots 
fired into the President's car. There had been three shots fired into 
Officer J.W. Tippit (ask a psychiatrist what a series of 3 means). 



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Late Soturdayi,! for our Sunday papers , I did a pieco on Dptoci.ive Capt. 
Will Fritz, his -background and his role in thn job of breakin-^ the case, 
alons v;ith the difficulties Fritz faced, as an occasional question fror'i 
an FBI man or an assistant district attorney hurst the bubble that Fritz 
had been carefully building around Oswald. Fritz strikes you as being of 
the Charlie Chan school. His expression is irniobile. It rarely changes. 
He shows few emotions. He is very even nan under grost stress. It v/as 
possible, during the course of Friday and Saturday to '.\ralk into the 
chief's office, talk with him or a high-ranking assistant. By Saturday 
it was clear to the reporters that there were no other prime suspp'cts 
in jail and no other prime suspects being sought, for the crime itself* 
When Os\.'ald was led dovm the ja!a;ii'^-. corridor, the reporters nearest 
him often vroull holler: V/hy did you kill the President? \Jhy die you 
kill the President? Reporters rarely are that emotional. I never raw 
it before, except in a press box at a college football game, among 
provincial sports writers who can't keep themselves from rooting for 
the home team. One time Oswald shouted back that he was being denied 
his basic rights to have a shower. His basic hygenic rights, as he put 
it. Chief Curry appeared touchy about this. He soon told rtioorters that 
Oswald could have a shower any time he needed one in the regular jail 
shower room. Another time, Oswald shouted for attorney John Abt , v.'ho 
frenuently handles cases for Con-mnist'S in America, John Abt of Kew York 
City. Get me Abt. Oswald v;anted Abt for his attorney. Another time, 
a reporter sho ited a question at Oswald, asking why Osvrald had v/Tltten 
to Connally v/hen Connally was Navy Secretary, asking Conn?.lly to get 
his discharge from the Marine Corps changed to an honorable discharge. 
Osv-ald hollered back over his shoulder, as he v;as led into the 
jail elevator doorv/ay: I don't know what kinfl of newspaper reports you 
are getting but these are not true. He was defiant. He looked alert at. 
all times. In his profile, he was sharp-f eatui'ed. Full-faced, he had a 
cunning look. He looked like Bobby Darin in the full face. That fact 
jfKTOj) shaped my opinion of what Oswald v;as like in his looks. Tv;o months 
earlier (check dates) in VJashlngton, I had witnessed the riots of the 
young CoT'innist sympathisers who had gone to Cuba against State Depart- 
ment orders — the riots inside and out of the House Jn-Amr^rican Activitit 
Comiiittee hearing room, and attended their own nighttime rally which 
was undermined by George Lincoln Rockwell's nazis. Two days of riots. 
Their timing vras precise as they were carried o^f by police individually. 
They appeared to wait until they got into the best camera angles and 
before 'enough reporters to scream and become martyred. This was Lee 
Harvey Oswald. He was living the part of a martyr. I don't recall' ever 
before having such a consuming desire to go out and get drunk as I did 
Saturday night. I hoped that somewhere a package store would be ooen 
or somev;here perxhaps a bar would be open v;here I could sit quietly and 
take care of this need. To my astonishment, I found many bars open 
dov/ntown. In one, four doors down from the city's m.ain intersection of 
Co", -erce and Akard, a block from where hundreds had stood at Main and 
Akarsd just the day before to cheer the President in his last moments 
alive, I went in. I found the juke box playing, people dancing, people 
at the bar laughing. It was Saturday night and the place was open for 
business. I v/alked past the Carousel, the Jack Ruby place, and as he 
had mentioned to me the day before, it was closed. Two other nearby 
strip joints, however, were open. I went into one and stayed a few 
minutes. Business was off. I will say that. But there v;ere happy drunks 
there, barking at the gals to take it all off. Though I vrent several 
Places and put as many beers down into me as I could hold, I could not 
he'-'in to get drunk. I found myself v/ishing only now that every b/i/\in 
to'^n v;"re closed. T'N, 



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"arlipr Satnrriay nitihi, it must. have h-^.en aboat 6 o'clock, I war. av/are 
that a 'boxful of sandv^iches had bcpn. nlaciu ia the prGss room. They 
wpp-^ ^ood cold meat sandwiches and thp rooortsrs made short v;ork of ther 
though I didn't take one. I didn't knov/ how they ^^ot there. It v;as the 
next afternoon that I learned that Jack Ruby 'aad brought them in. It 
also v.-as the next afternoon that I l^arneil that Jack Ruby had b^en in 
the police asse'ubly room Friday ni-ht with th.^" reuorters' who stood on 
tables, and the photo^^raphers who bunched into the plainclothes guards 
at the froni, of the room surrounding Oswald. Sunday afternoon, District 
Attorney Henry Wade was to say to' the press that Jack Ruby was present 
Friday night during that str.-^nge press conference "I understand," or "I 
a:n told." A new york city radio moorter, Ike Pappas, corrected Henry 
and said that he (Pappas) had bo^n talking with Ruby in the assonfoly 
room snd Ruby had given him a card and had invited ±21 hirr, to be his 
guest in the Carousel when it ZKpa reopened. Pauoas still carried the 
card in his wallet. Said that he brought Ruby over to the District 
'Attorney and that the D.A. seemed to know Mr. Ruby. Henry smiled but 
gave no answer (after first saying that Ruby was mistaken for being a 
reporter). In fact, starting with Sunday afternoon, you no longer could 
find a policeman in tovm who said that he knew Ruby or, if h<= knew 




was recognized, it was because there were so many reoorters milling 
around — so many new faces, so many people arriving from all sorts' 
of distant points in America. Dallas v/as caught flat-footed. Dallas 
still I'as a polite place to be and the police were cooperating as much 




they could.: Being there, seeing the"assassina"tion scenes of ?fesi^Teht 
Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald unfold before my eyes through the long 
weekend, v:as exceedingly strange because of the isolation. Millions 
and millions of people were watching the events and subsequent events 
on television screens and hearing them on radio sets. Isaw nothing on 
TV, heard nothing on radio and didn't know what v/as happening beyond 
where I was. It was much like fighting a battle in a war. People back 
home read extensive reports of the extent of the battle and its meaning 
in relationship to the rest of the war, while the foot soldier there has 
no idea v/hat anything means beyond that piece of ground which he can see. 
I was in fact so certain Sunday morning that Oswald had been moved during 
the night to county jail that I slept late, showered, had a liesurely 
breakfast, read two Sunday newspapers while eating, and looked out the 
hotel v;indow for the first time, after finishing eating in the first 
floor restaurant, and to my surprise saw people waiting outside the city 
jail. I knew then that Osv;ald had not yet been transfered. It was now 
about 10 :Uo a.m. I left my newspapers at the hotel desk, vient across 
the street, up to the third floor, found that there were not many people 
there, took an elevator to the basement, which was the starting point 
of the transfer. There, I encountered difficulty. & uniformed officer 
asked for my identification. (I went over all of this later on for the 
Dallas police and the FBI at their requests) Ishov;ed the officer my White 
House press pass. That meant nothing to the officer. He called a detec- 
tive over. The detective said my identification v;as perfectly all right. 
Had he too turned me down, I would have fished out my Dallas police anfd 
Texas Dept. of Public Safety press credentials. They were outdated. cM 



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I v/as allov;pd to ,1oin the rest of the reporters. I saw Boh Fenlr-y'of the 
Dallas Tii'ies Herald standing in the office of the basement, used to book 
inconing prisoners. I took up a position v;ith him and Capt. Johes of the 
Dallas police came along subseque/itly and told us we'd have to vacate 
that area. Along with us were a handful of reporters, plus one network 
television camera setup. I think CBS. They were taking extra precautions 
of course. Taking no chances. They v;anted all reporters and catieras in 
one area, v;here they could beep a close eye on them when Oswald appeared. 
He would be coming dov/n the jail elevator into the booking office, 
through there and out into the basement driveway area. I urged Bob to 
move very slowly. V/e did. In fact we vr'"n'e the last to l-^ave. I was in 
hopas that v;hile we were delnjin:^, Oswald V70uld be noved do"n the 
elevator. V'e didn't miss it by ^luch. VJe got into the drivew.-^y area ?r:d 
were there not more than four minutes I guess when sorr.eon*^ r;houted h^^re 
he coi'ies. Fenley and I stayed togoth during tills whole period of time, 
(diagram) It nevei- v;as official and may never become official but the 
police apparently, according to what they themselves later v;ere saying 
unofficially, were planning not to take Oswald in the armored vehicl"^ 
that vias v/aiting at the end of the Co-inerce Street ramp. Instead they 
would put him into one of the tvro cars, the g^'-een one or white one 
which v-ere driven into position at the last moment, and rush him out the 
Main Street ramp, using the armored car as a decoy. They v/ere apprehen- 
sive about an attempt on Oswald's life'. They expected this could occur 
outside the police station or en route througl: the downtov/n streets or 
at the arrival point at the county jail. Capt. Fritz had ii;tlmated the 
day before that he was against the transfer. Since this was a Dallas 
city police matter, it would make it difficult to transport witnesses 
back and forth and Oswald back and forth for continuous questioning and 
tests and so forth. I felt certain that more shots v;ould be fired after 
Ruby fired his weapon. Not necessarily as part of a plot or anything 
like that. There was mass confusion for at least a minute — one of 
those minutes in which an eternity of thought and movement occurs. The 
police vrere agitated. Capt. Jones shouted to a uniformed guard at the 
riain St. end of the ramn — no one leaves this place. The guard svfiveled 
into a gun-firing position, aiming down into us. I saw om^ detective ^ 
after wrestledto the concrete floor and dragg'^d into the booking office 
(where Osv;ald was carried) by a small platoon of police — this detec- 
tive's eye red and wet, due to the utter frus':ration of the thing. Fenley 
and I sxii did what the other reporters did, depending on i/here they 
where standing v^hen the shooting occurred, tried to run, foolishly I 
guess, but that's v/here the story v;as, tried to run to where the man 
who had I done the shooting was brought down to the concrete. vJe trie! 
to move I from there into the booking office. A. plain-clothesed officer, 
studj/ing us as If we may have planned to do some shooting ourselves, 
ordered I us not to move and ordered us back against the driveway area 
railingi vJe were bunched and crowded. VJe were shouting and the officers 
were shouting and they would not let us move. The police v/ere caught 
in their own trap now. The two cars and the armored car v/ere blocking 
the attempts of an ambulance to get in to remove Oswald to Parkland 
Hospital. When the ambulance was brought in, it was brought to the ^ 
point where Fenley and I stood. Oswald was carried out of the booking 
office on a stretcher and was placed inside the ambulance, his head 
exactly! at the point where I was standing, looking in at him. He looked 
gravely injured. His mouth v/as open, rigidly. His face was a pasty gray. 




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public elevator area of the basement, . told to 2° to the third floor 
where Chief Curry would have statcnents to make. We v;ere not asked for 
identification upon getting to thr- third floor, but the executive wing 
of the third floor for the first time was blocked off by three uniformed 
officers, standing shoulder to shoulder. Fenlciy and I took up a position 
in front of the three and there we waited. As it turned out Chief Curry 
had nothing to say to the press and made no move from his office for 
two hours. But we stood in one place the whole time, (check notes for 
exact amount of time). Meanv;hile two detectives who had teen less than • 
a foot away from Oswald when he was shot talked to us about what they 
saw and did. (according to the masterpiece photosby Jack Beers and 
Bob Jackson, one of the detectives, standing i-miediately on Oswald's 
right, didn't see Ruby making the fatal lunge. The other was Jack 
Combest, who reacted with a shout Instead of physical action, as Ruby 
-.brushed past his arm in making the lunge.) Bob Jackson was scgnding 
with us during the wait for Curry's announcment. He didn't knov; he had 
the picture that probably is a Pulitzer Prize v/inner and vrill certainly 
become 'an all-time classic in American photo journalism. He, like 
Beers, ;fired his earner at that moment because he thought Ruby v;as a 
radio reporter, thrusting a sii slender hand microphone at Osvrald. 
Jackson shot his picture before the "radio man" blocked his line of 
vision. When Curry was ready, he came from his office without a word. 
By the look on his face, it was Instantly easy to tell that the entire 
complexion of this story was no\-r changed. V/e followed him down into 
the police assembly room. I rode in the same elevator with him. He 
said nothing. He took up a position in the front of the room. There 
were delays v/hile cameramen got into position and vfhile the television 
people got set up exactly the way they v/anted to, and then it •,\ras very 
disappointing. The chief spoke for a matter of seconds. Less than a 
minute. His announcement v/as that Loe Harvey Oswald had expired at 1;07 
p.m. He' said he had no further statements at this time. He started to 
unhook '' the "vrire necklace" which held a small microphone on his tie 
at the breastplate. He was deluged with reques.t-s to repeat vjhat he had 
just said for the television cameras. He v/as deluged vrith questions from 
reporters, shouting again. He did say he felt that Osv/ald v/as the guilty 
man. He was obviously physically unable to say anything more. He v/as 
the very picture of a despindent man. Here was a picture of profound 
sadness — the face of Jesse Curry. The boner of the Dallas police 
department would rank no\-r with the building of the Maginot Line by the 
French to knep the Germans from marching into their country during 
V/orld VJar II, \v'hen the Gemrans merely went around the thing. Remember 
the picture of Frenchmen crying in the streets of Paris then. Only the 
tears were missing from the tragedy on Curry's face. We learned that 
great cheers went up from the hundreds of people standing outside the 
Dallas county jail at the other end of dovmtovn, when it was announced 
to them that Oswald would not be coming for he had been shot in the 
police station. I have spoken to other people since who have v/itnessed 
the shooting on television. They said their first reactions were ones 
of great happiness. I think it took many people many minutes to realise 
the gravity of the murder of Osv;ald. In the police case of John Wilkes 
Booth, there was HHXiiaHiit little doubt about Booth's reasons for murder- 
ing a President. There was extreme doubt about v/hether Booth was subse- 
quently killed or lived on for many years after. It was an opposite polie 
case nov;. There was no doubt that the man charged with the murder of 
President Kennedy v/as now dead but the mystery v/ould be why he shot and 
killed !a President. Through the afternoon as the attorneys and prospec- 
tive attorneys carae-y- there was Droby, and Droby's wife at horn withr^^^e 
anonymous threat on her life, there was Toms Howard. There were .-lartp. 

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(Jin Martin) and Fred Eruner. There v/as George Sr-n^tor vho came; in, 
talkatively, holding an expansive press conference for 10 ninuoes before 
the police realized he was there and they v/hlsked him av/ay for ques- 
tioning. There was Mrs. F,va Grant, grimly, sadly, shakenly, still 
recoverinj; fro-n ma.ior surgery. She was overcome, unable to talk v;ith 
the mad pack of reporters v7ho by now were lil<e the (find vrord), the 
antagonistic free-lance photographers of Rhonie . There v;as an utterly 
heart-broken Capt. '.v'ill Fritz. There was an unsmiling, tight-lioped 
Jack Ruby nov; being led down the corri'-'or through the packed huianity 
of reporters, just as Oswald had walked the I'ony path in the hours 
before. And there was overv/h =lming revulsion. I felt the internal bleed- 
ing of tears agin, as there had been in the hospital tv/o days earlier. 
This would be the easiest story of all for me to write now. It was the 
story of seein-g a onetime friend of nine kill the man charged v/ith 
killing the PResident. A. story of recollections of what Jack Ruby was 
all about as I remembered hi'r' from my newspaper days in Dallas. There 
was a second story to write that evening also, based on the statements 
of Kenry Wade. Vince Drain of the FPI v;as back from Washington viith the 
two Oswald weapons. He arrived in the police station about 20 minutes 
after Oswald was killed. By Sunday evening, in the police assembly 
room, Henry Wade made a detailed statement of the "hard" facts un- 
covered by the FBI in their laboratory- studies of the weapons in 
V/ashington. laccompanied rienry down tne stairs. VJe didn't take the 
elevator. Me gave out at least one piece of erroneous information during 
his press briefing, which v;ent all over the world and was believed — 
which was that Oswald's fingerprints v;ere on the metal baseplate of the 
rifle vfhich had killed the President. Instead, Oswald's fingerprints 
ware found on the paper wrapping which had b.lan around the gun. 'iede 
had been asked by the FBI and the Dallas police not to make a lon:i publi 
statement regarding the facts tincovered by the FEI, but he v;ent -head 
anyway. Friction sprung up among the police .alements, their feelings 
already frayed in the wake of the national tragedy. By Sunday night, 
ddspite the darkness, there were cars from Dallas, cars from all over 
Texas, cars from the nearby states driving slowly past the place where 
the President had been shot, k raacawber proce .sion of cars that lasted 
long into the night. TraTfic was backed up for blocks. The procession 
v;ould last for days. By Monday, I got beyond the White Plaza Motel- 
police station Harwood corner area in daylight for the first time. I 
went to the Dallas county jail and v/as able to se • from there the 
flowers mounting at the side of the street at the spot of the Kennedy 
assassination. When I v/alked to that spot, someone standing there had 
a portable radio and taps was being sounded in Arlington Cemetery for 
thf^ PResident as he vras being laid to rest. At that moment, people in 
Dallasj on a sunny, clear day, v/ere laying more simple bunches of 
flowers and more vn-eaths on the grass where I stood. As I had knov/n 
Chief Curry HHstx I knew Sheriff Bill Decker and his assistants, "ut 
there ^^ras a different atmosphere. Decker welcomed reporters into his 
office: but was very firm in his demarkation of rules. In this next two 
week period, I was to do a lot of walking, a lot of traveling into the 
areas where Ruby and Osv/ald had lived-. I vjas to talk to many people 
downtovm and in outlying areas vrhose paths had crossed with the two 
infamous men. I v/as to spend very little time — a matter of minutes 
and all of that on the telephone — v/ith my old .acquainatnces. Social 
friends vrhom I knev/ well. Two neonle I did take time to see v/ere 




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a'bout his orppnrations for th(? dr-fense oT tho youn^ .■-■i.n v/ho is ch.-'.rj'^d 
spitting on Adl^.i Stevenson (get date in 1965 and name). Pr-te said his 
planned defense now v;as blo'^rn mo jn the air. He had planned to lay the 
blame on th« Dallas nev/spapers for creatin:^ the atnosphere v;hich made 
the spilling incident a natural event for the younjj man. The essence 
here of Dallas is not among those v/ho were terribly crushed and ashamed, 
not is it among the other extremists who had no remorse and felt Dallas 
v/as in no vmy responsible. It v/as in the vast piirldle ground — vrhere I 
found the people anxious to return to nonaal as soon as possible in order 
to have a good Christmas season at the store counters and a healthy 
mercantile city again. Shopping vras off, Monday through Thanksgiving 
Day. (look to notes for examples) Included here should be the remarkable 
city council session of Tuesday in which Mayor Cabell and his viev;s 
(I have. those views, his speech) were drowned out by councilmen demanding 
that a monument be erected' in Dallas for President Kennedy — a physical 
monument-- missing the point which Cabell was trying to make. 




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•D-3 02 (R.». 3-3-5 9) FEDE RAL BUREAU OF INVEST IGA . lON 

D6I* December 3, 1963 
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SETH KANTOR, membei' of the V/yjite House Press Corps, and 
who represents Scrlpps -Howard Alliance, 1013 Thirteenth Street, 
N.W., Washington, D. C, advised that he talked this morning 
with Mrs. REX GOODMAN, Apartment Manager where RUBY received 
mall, at 3929 Rawlins, Dallas, Texas. 

Mrs. GOODMAN told KANTOR that late Friday afternoon, 
November 22, JACK RUBY visited EVA GRANT, with a sack of 
what appeared to be groceries. During the afternoon, according 
to Mrs. GOODMAN, she went to EVA GRANT'S room and she was very 
distraught over the Presidents death. 



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Kantob Exhibit No. 6 



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ro-jo: (R.». 3-3-5») r'EDERAL BUREAU OF INYESTIGATH_N 3 ^' <^. J_ 

Dscembcr 3, 1S63 



Kr. SETH KANTOR, a mambar of the Washington Press 
Corps, Scripps- Howard Alliance, 1013 13th Street Northvar^t, 

• Uiishington, D.C., stated that he was assigned by his paper 
to cover the trip to Texas of President JOHN F. KEHIGDY. Mc 
stated he was riding in the special bus v;hich carried the 
I'Jhite Kouse correspondents on November 22, 1963. KANTOR 

^related that this bus was several car lengths behind the 
President's car, but as they were necring the corner of Elm 
and Houston Streets in Dallas, he heard three shots. He 
thought these were shots, but some of the press men thought 
the first shot was only a backfire of an automobile. 

He advised they x^ere then taken in the bus to 
I'larket Hall, where originally President KENNEDY had intended 
to address a meeting there at a luncheon on November 22, 
1963, Upon arrival at this Hall, he obtained the service 
of someone, whom he does not recall, to take him to Parkland 
Hospital, 

Upon arriving at Parkland Hospital, IC/iNTOR went 
• to the emrgency area of the hospital and remained with other 
nav.'smen. Shortly before 1:30 p.m., November 22, 1963, the 
newsmen were notified that^K^LCOLM KILDUFF, the I-Jhite House 
Press Aide, was to make a historical announcement. The 
newsmen followed KILDUFF out of the emergency area which 
leads to the west side of Parkland Hospital and to the 
southwest corner of Parkland Hospital. Upon arrival at 
the southwest corner of Parkland Hospital, KILDUFF entered 
the door, v^ent in a small area, and then upstairs to a room 
where the announcement of the President's assassination was 
made at 1:30 p.m., November 22, 1963. 

Upon enteriug the southwest corner of the building, 
he felt someone tug at his coat, and it V7as JACK RUBY, whom 
KANTOR had known in Dallas, Texas, when KANTOR was on the 
staff of the, Dallas Times Herald newsDaDer._ KANTOR related 

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Kantor Exhibit No. 7 



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. 89-43 

aat: he filed a story for his paper following this, but ha 

Ld remember the time that RUBY tugged his coat because it 

IS about two minutes before KILDUFF made the announcement 

t the President's death. KANTOR states he would place the tiue 

: about 1:28 p.m. when RUBY tugged the back of his coat and 

liked with him. 

KANTOR filed a story x;hich he says is fairly 
raplete about the events that afternoon for his paper back 
1 Washington. KANTOR does not know whether or not this 
IS been used, and it is being set forth verbatim: 

"Dallas. Nov. 25 - To my utter amazement I 
watched the man charged with killipg President KENNEDY 
gunned to death by a friend of mine, JACK RUBY. 

"It happened less than ten feet from where I 
..was standing in the basement of the Dallas Police 
•■• Station. LSE EARVEY OSW.^J.D was being led to an armored 
car in the basement driveway, Ke was to be transferred 
to the Dallas County Jail. 

"There was heavy police protection for OSWALD. 
Each of us nev/smen had been carefully checked -- we 
showed our credentials — before being allowed into the 
basement driveway area to watch OSWALD get into the 
transfer van. 

"OSWALD was near where I stood. I was locking 
into his face, Ke had a scant smile. He was freshly 
shaved, and his face appeared to beam with cleanliness. 

"At this point I heard Vice Squad Detective 
3. H, COMBEST shout, 'JACK — you son of a bitch.' 



■""OZZST was standing in front of OSWALD. 
?.UBT rv.-io 1-jaging past COMBEST like a stocky, five 
foot - nine inch porpoise, his arms extended, a pistpl 
at the end of it. As the muzzle came to OSWALD'S 
stomach, the gun went off. 



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Kantor Exhibit No. 7 — Continued 



429 

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DL 89-43 



"I watched OSWALD'S face contort from cleanliness 
to horror. As his body crumpled, he let out the last 
sound of his life, a spine-chilling moan. 

"The last time ^ I had seen OSW.\LD's killer, RUBY, 
was two days earlier. It v;as at Parkland Memorial 
Hospital, moments before the nev;s was official that 
President KENNEDY was dead. I had come to Texas 
covering the President's trip. 

"I felt a tugging at the back of my coat, I 
turned. RUBY put out his hand. He shook hands nus±»ly, 
having minutes earlier witnessed the tragic events of 
the President's assassination. 

'"This is horrible,' RUBY said. 'I think I 
ought to close my place for three days because of this 
tragedy. f/Jhat do you think?' His places are downtown 
strip joint and saloon. 

"I agreed that he should shut them temporarily, 
but I spent no more time talking to hira because I was 
hurrying behind the pale and shaken MALCOLM KILDUFF, 
the White House press aide, who was on his v/ay to make 
the historical announcement the. the President was dead, 

"Before Friday, I had not seen the 52 year old 
RUBY for nearly tv;o years since leaving Texas to be a 
reporter in Washington, D. C. 

"I sav7 much of RUBY, whose real last name is 
RUBENSTSIN, when I lived in Dallas. He was a fellow who 
usually wore a diamond stickpin and who came to me fre- 
quently with an idea for a newspaper stoify. 

"Taese were weird things, these stories, but 
unmarried RUBY always has been attracted to tinxisual 

people. 



Kantor Exhibit No. 7 — Continued 



430 



: 89-43 



"There was a snake charmer he knew -- a suburbr.r. 
Dallas housewife who kept large snakes in craces in her 
house. Her husband was an accountant. At night, she 
performed in RUBY's night club stripping off her clothes 
while a snake coiled around her arms and legs. 

"I did another story about the male West Indies 
limbo dancer whom RUBY brought here as a performer, 
had taken a liking to and was sponsoring for U. S. 
citizenship. 

"That is the V7ay ho v;as. '^en he liked you, he 
wanted to -"o anything and everything he could to help 
you. If he didn't like somebody, 'he would cxirse them 
and fight them. He has had a few arrests here because 
of the passionate ways in v7hich he had expressed his 
feelings of dislike for people. 

"'I came up the hard, tough way in Chicago,' he 
once told me. 'I have been around real thugs. I can 
handle myself.' 

"But one time I remember him bringing his nephew 
here 'to educate the kid. A man needs an education 
to get anywhere decent. I don't like the way I have 
wound up -- in the girlie- show business. I-Jhat kind of 
a life is that for a man?' 

"Friday I saw tears brimming in JACK RUBY's eyes 
when he searched my face for news of the President's 
condition. 

"Yesterday, I spoke to GEORGE SENATOR, who has 
known RUBY eight years, SENATOR and RUBY have been 
sharing a four-x-oom house for $125.00 a month since 
September. SENATOR said that RUBY 'had been grieving' 
since the President's death. 

"RUBY was a non-political man as I knew hira, but 
he was always emotional. How was the emotional man able 



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431 



5_ 

BL 89-43 

to walk into the police to.cion basement yesterday 
ir.orning and murder the un-c:>otional man charged with 
killing the President? I couldn't believe my eyes. 
The precautions taken by the Dallas Police were 
thorough. They even :^earched the Tristine elevator 
shaft leading from OSWALD'S upstairs cell to the 
basement to make sure no assassin had found a hiding • • 
place. 

"RUBY knew and was known by many Dallas police. 
He was allowed in, somehow. He was JACK RUBY the 
kibitzer in the jail basement, just as he had been 
JACK RUBY the kibitzer at the hospital where President 
KENNEDY died. He was a familiar face at all kinds of 
strange events in this city. But yesterday he stopped 
being the kibitzer." 

KANTOR related that he did not actually see RUBY, 
but he saw RUBY's arm extending forth with a gun toward OSWALD, 
and the reason he did not see RUBY v;as in view of the fact 
that his attention was focused on OSWALD'S face at the time of 
the shooting. l^Jhen he heard gunfire, he turned his eyes and 
there were the police grabbing RUBY. In the excitement 
K^^NTOR stated he does not remember just who was down in the 
basement of the building, as he was concentrating on his own 
story. 

KAi\^rOIv st:-oOd that the reason he v/as at the police ' 
station on November 24, 1963, was the fact that the night before, 
so.-ueone vi/ith the Press Corps, asked Chief of Police JESSE CURRY, 
Dallas Police Bepax'tment, what time the transfer would be :.:ade of' 
LEE HAIIVEY OSV//iLD to the Dallas County Jail. Chief CURRY replied 
that if the press v/as back the next morning, November 24, 1033, by 
10:00 AT.I, it would be early enough. KANTOR stated that he slept 
late and walked over 'to the Dallas police station, arriving 
there about 10:40 AIJ, ' November 24, ' 1933, thinking the transfer 
had already been made. Upon arrival he went immediately to the 
basement of the building prior to the time OSWALD was brought 
down to the basement, and was there, as had been sot forth, at 
the time JACK RUBY shot LEE HARVEY OSWALD. 



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Kantok Exhibit No. 7 — Continued 



432 



3.3c-i (R»v. i-2i-60) "cDiRAL BUREAU CF !K'V£ST!GAT' - — 



::-:. SET:^ ICAK'GR, £cri::-os-Eov/ard Staff Writer, "^7ashi:^2;v;cn 
ally Nev/s" Building, 1013 13tl Street, IT. T'/. , Uasr-ihgton, D. C, 
dvised he definitely zz\'i z.:zd talked xj±ta JACK RUBY on Hover.ber L2 , 
S53, at the Parkland I-^ospital, Dallas, Texas. Ee stated Le 
reviously furnisbeci this inforr-ation to tl-e FBI in Dallas ar.d a 
ouple of days ia-cer upon beinc; interviev/ed by Captain JC'..T22 of the 
alias Police Bapartr.e:it e:;ecutod a detailed signed statcu.-rit 
hov/ing this information. — : 

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ICAiTTO?. stated ie fully realizes the in:portanc<e of what 
e has said, i.e., that he sav/ and tallced with RUBY at -t'-he Parkland 
ospital, Novecber 23, 1933. He hr.cws a Mian's life is at stalce, and 
or that reason wants to be as specific as possible. 

Ee stated he wrote an article shov/ir.3 he sav/ RUBY about 
:2S p.m., at the Parl:land Eospitai. Upon reflection, he stated, 
ealizing the iuport ,3 of the matter, it nisht have been about 
:C0 p.Li. , rather th-- 1:23 p.m. Ee is positive, hov/ever, that 
t was I\ov8i-ber 22, 1SS3. 

JIAIiTGZi stated it had to be at the Parkland Hospital. Ee 
^plained froa the airport in Dallas he j^oined the Presidential 
Dtorcade. Ee was la a V'hite Hc_3e Precs Bus v.'ith other reporters. 
3 heard shots and the bus proceeded to the Trade Hart in Dallas. 
Dniebcdy at the Trade Hart called the Dallas Police and asked what 
2.d happened. He was tolv. the Presiden'c had 'i.een shot ar.d had been 
slien to the Parkland Hospital. Scnebcdy o- c-her took kin and about 
ix other reporters to the hospital in his station wagon. They 
rrived at the hospital about _-;:50 p.:::. Ee sav/ U. S. Senator 
flRBORCUGH of Texas outside the hospital. Ee spoke to h— briefly, 
fter identifying hiaiself, a police officer took hin in the hospital, 
lis was about 12:55 p.n. Across frc:a the emergency surgery rooa he 
aoned V/ashinr^ton and was on the phone about 20 liinutes. After 
ailing Washington, he spoke to Texas U. S. Congressmen ALBERT 
iiOEAS and I-ZSI^RY C-OITZ/iLEZ who were in the emergency ward area. 
PJLC0L2! KILDUFP, PIERRE SALIESER's assistant, told everyone on -ka 
;ene that he had an announcement to ■inzl^.e and that everyone should 
3llov/ him. EILDUPF v/alked off and ID2RRIMAN SIIITZ, of United Press 
iternational, and AL CROELEY of the "Oklahoisa City Oklahoman," 
iiked on each side of EILDUFF, tallying to hira, apparently trying 
3 find out v/hat had haot)ened. Three or four others, identities 
:>t recalled, and hir.:3lf , followed XILDUFF, SEITH and CRCEDEY. ^ 

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A5 he v/ent in 'chjs entrance, thres oi- four stops in, ha fel'c a "wUj 
at the bcttciii oi his coat. lie turned arcund. It v/as JACIC R'J3Y. 

v/i^ch ?.U"3Y. Ru3Y then said sc--.v3thins to the effect, "Isn't this a 
terrible thinsr? Do you think Z oucht to close r_y places for three 
days?" KAivTOH replied to the ef f ec~ , "Yes, I think you should." 
X.'.lvTCPv specifically recalled that RU3Y said ''three days." I^AiTfC'-'; 
s-catau that was all there vas to 'f^-e conversation. He stated that 
cuite frankly he gave P-UBY the hrush-off. lie did this because he 
was nost interested in what XILLj?? vac -zo announce and did not v/a: 
to take the time to talk to RU3Y. I-Ie could not ^recall what RUBY was 
wearing other than he believes he wac 1 tless. 

KILDUF? followed by 'z'^e roporworc proceeded ";o a sial-:e- 
shift press rccn in the hospi'jal and announced that President I-IENI'Ci;ii 
v/as dead. This announce:::en'i; was rr-ade at 1:30 p.r.i., iCove:.:ber 22, 
1S63. ■ ICAInITCR stated he had talked v/itl RUBY o'^st prior there"co so 
he figures he talked to hi.Ji about 1*— 3 'o ii After i^aiiin^* 'che 
^anaouncenent , XILDU^'I? stated ha would have another announceraent in 
aoouc ten r^inu'ces. -._-ji^O— .>° _ei.'c 'che rocivi. 

After hearing the announce-icnt , 1137_'CR got on the first 
available phone in the ?arkla.'.,d Zospital and sL:.lled the Scripps- 
Roward Office in V/ashington, D. C. Re uas on the phone about 15 
lainutes. Ee "chen v/en"; back to the rAalce-shift press roo:::. RI1;DU?F 
was not there. 

BILL STIaSGRj an adr.inistrative aid to Te;:as Governor 
JCRN E. CGi'Il'I-^JlLY , v/as in the „ake-shift press roo:^. Another aid, 
JULIAN O. RB/Jj, v/as with hi:n. STIisSOl"! for the benefit of the 
reporters present recor-Lcructed on a blackboard v/here President 
IvElTRT^DY , Governor CGYj-'IALLY and their wives v/ere seated in the 
motorcade. Vfnile STZ>I23JI and RB.^Z> v;ere talking, JIC-GS FAUVER, 
head of transportation at the Y.'hi"ce House, interrupted and tcld 
ail present that a press pool car v/as needed to go to Love Field. 
This v/as about 2:00 p.m. 

About 2:00 p.n., EAIvrCR stated, he left the :?.ake-shift 
press roor: along v/ith other reporters. Uhen h3 got outside the 
hospital he decilded not to go to Love Field, wninliing perhaps r:ore 
.news v/ould be available in the jnaks-shift press roo:^. I^imediately 



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itside the hospital he saw Sonczor YAP.BCRCUGH , Te:-:as Ccnjjressr.ian 
Ati TEAC-L'E and MSNRY GONZALEZ and Dallas L'ayor EARL CABELL. They 
sre Y/aiting for transportation to go to Love Field. KAaTOR stated 
3 tried to get some iniornatio:^ fror. thoni aad then, re-entered tlcKi 
jspit al . 

As KANTOR entered the hospital, P.U3Y v/as standing inside 
le entrance. It was either here that he saw and talked with RUBY 
; reported herein or at the \,i.:' he was following XILBUFF as above. 
IKTOR stated he is not certain whether it was about 1:2S p.u. or 
)Out 2:00 p.n. rie is "csitive, howex'er, that he saw and talked 
.th RUBY at the Parkland Hospital, Nove:.:ber 22, iSS3. It was about 
: 28 p.m. or about 2:00 p.iu. 

He described the iir.r.iediataly foregoing entrance as on 
le south side of the hospital. It laight have been the nain 
itrance but it v/as rather sn:all. 

KANTOR stated he was in Dallas frc-i September, 1930, to 
ly, 1962, at which time he worked for the "Dallas Tir-es I.erald" 
jwspaper. Shor'cly after starting work with this paper he r.et 
iCK RUBY. RUBY v;as a nightclub operator and quite naturally 
mted publicity for his clubs. 1-Ja frequently approached KANTOR 
.th stories publicizing his interests. KA}>'TOR specifically 
icalled he wrote one story furnished by RIJBY. It was about a 
tripper who used snakes in her act. IvAI:frCR stated there is no 
lestion tha'i: he knows JACK RUBY v/hen he sees him. 

Z;iNTOR reitera-^cd it was November 22 and at the Parkland 
^spital that he saw and spoke with RUBY. It was not prior or 
ibsecuent thereto. K/JCTOR stated he was at the hospital November ■ 
5, and did not return to the hospital until about ten days there- 
'ter. ■' RU'BY was in custody v/hen he returned to the hospital. It 
j.d to be November 22 that RUBY was there. 

KJdT^GR stated '. . \.as unable to furnish the identify of 
:yone who might have soon hira talking v/ith RUBY. About 1:23 p.m., 
ie:.-.j vas a big rush fo-illc -ing KILDUFF, as previously stated, and 
i ii certain iJERRILIAI^ SLilTH and AL CRGULEY 'were so engrossv^d talking 



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V.TO 44-520 
ABLI : j nun 

YVi1:b. KILBUFFj also they v/ere in front of liiiu, tliat they could not 
have seen bin with RUBY. Ee is lilcev/iso certcin the other roportcr^, 
identifies net recalled, paid r.o particular attention to hi:^, having 
their minds on what KILDUFi? v/as to anr.cance. 

About 2:00 p.n. , when he re-entered the hospital, after 
talking with the officials previo-usly referred to, IvAl\'_'w?^ staged, 
he obsei-ved hospital personnel, identities not Zcnown, in the entrance. 
lie believes they were personnel hecause. of their white garb. If it 
was there he sav/ RUBY raxher than about 1:23 p.u. , the personnel 
Y/ould not remember it because they were not paying ^^V particular 
attention to him. 

K/usTTCR stated af-jer re-enterinj the hospital about 2: GO 
p.m., he went to the nalce-shift press roon; in the hospital. KILDUZT? 
was not there. K/J}^1'CR S'cated he subseruently left the press roori 
and got on a press bus en route to Love Field. He checked his notes 
and advised they shov/ a notation by him at 2:30 p.n. , written while 
on the bus, tha^c be observed nobs of curiosity seekers driving around 
the Parkland Hospital. 

ICANTCa stated he next and last sav/ RUBY in the Dallas Jail. 
This was Sunday, Novenber 24, 1953, at which time RUBY was being led 
by the Dallas Police from an ui^per floor of the jail. KrJ^CP. stated 
he looked directly at RUBY and RUBY appeared to be looking directly 
at him. RUBYj however, showed no signs . f recognition. RUBY'S 
complexion was pasty, his face was grim and his lips v/ere drawn 
tightly together. 

KANTOR gave a note to ART HAT-ILIET, a Dallas police officer, 
who v/orks in the office of Dallas Police Captain GLEN XIKG, asking 
that HATHIST give the note to RUBY. The note read, "JACK, Can I 
please talk to you, SBTa." IiAT.i:.ffiT told him he would try to see 
that RUBY got the note, but cautioned ICAI'ITCR that he could not make 
any promises that RL^Y would get the note. Subsequently, KAINTCR 
stated, he gave the same type note to TC:.I EGv/ARD, RUEY's lawyer, 
and asked that HOWARD give xt to RUBY. EOUARD said he would. • 
KANTOR stated he received no reply to these notes. 



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436 



7F0 44-520 

!iBLI:jmm « 

SANTOR was pointedly told by interviewing agents that RUSY 
aas emphatically denied he was at Parkland Hospital at any tine' 
(November 22, 1963, or subsequent. KA1\"TCR was specifically asked 
vhether he might be mistal^en about seeing RUBY there November 22. 
UlKlOR reiterated he is absolutely certain he saw and spoke with 
•iUBY at the Parkland Hospital on November 22. 

ICANTOR was told that he might be called upon to testify in 
this case. He v/as asked v/hat he would .say if under oath and on the 
witness stand in a court of law to the question, "Did ycu see and 
talk with RUBY at the Parkland Hospital on November 22, l£o3?" 
CAI'iTCR stated he would answer, "Yes," because he is absolutely 
:ert ain he did. 

KANTCR speculate'd that perhaps RUBY has said he v/as not 
It the Parkland Eos_:-ital on November 22, as part of his reported 
)lea of temporary insanity. KAl-JTOR stated be is not acquainted v/ith 
ill facets of such a pic^ but felt it might help RUBY's cause for RUBY to 
ieny being at the hospital v/hen he knov/s he v/as, and that ZANTOR 
/ould have to testify that he sav/ him there. Then too, KANTCR 
stated, RUBY might have been in emotional shock and cannot recall 
jeing -s,t the hospital. 

EA1\^0R stated J;a did not knew LE3 EAEV2Y OSWALD, and he 
ices not know v/hether RUBY knew OSWALD. He stated he does not know 
,'_-ther there v/as any connection betv/een RUBY and OSV/ALD. 



IL^^CTOR stated he wants to cooperate with the FBI anyv/ay 
jossible , and the FBI should consider him at all times available 
or interview. 



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Kantor Exhibit No. 8 — Continued 



437 



O, otanlcy F. Kauimn ;;;.diibit 1 

>TD.iP' (B.T. J.J.59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGA I iun —-.^ -^ 



11/26/63, V* 



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STANLEY P. KAUFMAN, 1520 Mercantile Securitloa 
r.ulldlng, advised that he has known JACK RUBY slpce 195^ 
Jind hao repreoented him in several civil mattery pertaining to 
ti-j;? night night club business In Dallas. 

KAUFMAN stated he knows nothing about RUBY'S 
activities while in Chicago prior to coming to Dallas, but 
knows that for the past nine or ten years he has attended 
the same synagogue as he attends and he considers RUDY one 
of 'the raoat active Jewish bachelors In the synagogue. 

KAUFMAN stated he knows of no trips' that RUBY 
has made, with the exception of a vaca'/^.on trip to Cuba aome 
years back prior to the time CASTRO took over, at which time 
he went down to visit some acquaintance, name not. now recalled, 
who worked in a casino there, as well as a trip to Ch)lcaf^o some 
years back in connection with the death of his father. He 
stated he does not know LEE HARVEY OSWALD and npver heard OSV/ALD 
mentioned by RUBY. KAUFMAN stated he heard over TV that RUBY 
had asked for three attorneys and that his name was mentioned, 
but he has received no contact from RUBY since hia arrest and, 
since he does not handle criminal cases, he would not repre- 
sent RUBY in connection with this pending charge against RUBY. ,> 
He stated RUBY has never had a bank account to his knowledge v^ 
and has always paid for his services in cash. He stated he 
knows of only two persons who might be able to furnish perti- 
nent Information concerning RUBY, one RALPH PAUL, of Dallas, 
who has. or had some business connection with RUBY, an^ ALICE 
NICHOLS, a girl friend or former girl friend of RUBY, who 
reaidea at 8707 Redondo. 

KAUFMAN stated that on the morning of November 
23, 1 19^3) HUBY called him, appeared to be very upset, and 
as'r^ed him if he had read the article placed In phq Dal.'f^aa 
News by a BERNARD WEISSMAN. KAUFMAN stated that he' told 
RUl^Y he had seen it and RUBY asked, "Did you notice that 
this ad was bordered in black, which makes it look like a 
death tip?" KAUFMN stated that RUBY wanted to. know who 
WEISSr4AN was and how he could get in touch with" him and if 
Mr. FREEDMAN, of the Anti-Defamation League, could furnish 
him any Information as to the whereabouta of BERNARD WEISSI-IAN. 
He. stated RUBY also told him that he had tried to locate 
this WEISSMAN through the Poat Office Department, but was 



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438 



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DL 44-1639 
2 



unable to do so. KAUFMAN stated that RUBY told him that he 
had been to the Dallas News Advertising Department and had 
raised "hell" with the Ad Department lor accepting such an ad. 

ICAUFTIAN stated that from his contacts with 
RUBY and the civil matters he has handled for hlro ho Is aware 
that RUBY Is quick tempered, and that It Is his opinion RUBY 
had no asslstanoa or guidance In connection with his shooting 
of OSWALD. 

Kaufman Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



439 



FIRST IirERVILW OF 
LSS IIARVEY OS-;/uLD 



At about 10:30 A.M., Kovenber 23, 19o3, I attended my first interview 
v.'ith Ocvald. Pr-coat during the intervieu at the Eoniicide Division, Dallas 
Police Dopiirtment, wore Spcciia AC'^nt Jim Bookhoub, FBI; Captain V/ill Fritz, 
Herbicide Division, Dallas Police Deparo.oentj U. S. I-Iarshal Robert Kash; 
SA David Grant and SAIC Sorrels; and Officers Eoyd and Hall of Captain 
Fritz's detail. The interviev; v/as not recorded. Mr. Sorrels and my pi'esencc 
was as observers, since Oswald v/as being held for murder and his custody and 
intorrocation at that time was the responsibility of the Dallas Police De- 
partment. 

In response to questions put by Captain Fritz, Oswald said that im- 
mediately after having left the building where he worked, he went by bus to 
the theater where he was arrested; that when he got on the bus he secured a 
transfer and thereafter transferred to other buses to get to his destination. 
Ke denied that he brought a j>ackagc to work on that day and ho denied that 
he load ever had any conversation about curtain rods with the boy named VJesley 
who drove him to his employ:ucnt. Fritz asked him if he had ridden a taxi 
that day and Oswald then changed his story and said that when he got on the 
bus he found it ims going too e1o\." and after two blocks he got off the bus 
and took a cab to his home; that he passed the time with the cab driver and 
that the cab driver had told hira that the President was shot. Ke paid a cab 
fare of 85^. 

In response to q.uestions, he stated that this was the first time he had 
ever ridden in a cab since a bus wus always available. He said he went home, 
changed his trousers and shirt, put his chirt in a drawer. This was a red 
shirt, and he put it v;ith his dirty clothes. He described the shirt as 
having a button down collar and of reddish color. The trousers were grey 
colored . 

Ke said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. 
Ec described one of them as "Junior", a colored bey, and the other was a 
little short negro boy. Ho said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread, fruit, 
and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he went to work. 

He c.-^ited that Mrs. Paine practiceg^ Russian by having his wife live with 
her. lie ^cnicd that he had ever owned/ 'iflo. He said ho does not knov/ Mr. 
Paine vei-y well but that Paine usually co;:ios by the place where his wife was 
living with Mx'S. Paine on Friday or \Jednc:;day. He stated that Mr. Paine has 
a car and Mrs. Paine has had tv;o cars. Ke said in response to questions by 
Captain Fritz that his effects were in Mrs. Paine' s garage and that they con- 
sisted of two sea bags with come other packages contr-initig his personal be- 
longings ar.d that he had brought those back from Kew Orleans with hira sometime 
in September. He stated that his brother, Robert, lived at 7313 Davenport 
Street, F. • L \/orth, and that the Paines wore his closest friends in town. 
He denied that he had ever joined the Conmunist party; that ho never had a 
Comrauuist card. He did belong to the American Civil Liberties Union and had 

KELLEry Exhibit A 



440 



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Page 2. 



jaid $5 a year dues. He stated that he had bought the pistol that wao 
'ound in his possession when he was arrested about seven months ago. 
le refused to answer any questions concerning the pistol or a gun until 
le talked to a lawyer. 

Oswald stated that at various other tines he had been thoroughly 
Interrogated by the FBI; that they had used all the usual interrogation 
jractices and all their standard operating procedure; that he was very 
'aniliar with interrogation, and he had no intention of answering any 
j^UGStions concerning any shooting; that he knew he didnot have to answer 
;he.T. and that he would not answer any questions until he had been given 
;ounscl. He stated that the FBI had used their hard and soft approach to 
lim, they used the buddy system; that he was familiar with all types of 
questioning and had no intention of making any statements. Ee said that 
n the past three weeks when the FBI had talked to his wife, they were 
busive and impolite; that they had frightened his wife and he considered 
heir activities obnoxious. Ke stated that he wanted to contact a Mr. Abt, 
I. New York lawyer whom he did not know but who had. defended the Smith Act 
victims" in 19^9 or 1950 in connection with a conspiracy^ against the 
tovernizent; that Abt would understand what this case was all about and that 
le v/ould give him an excellent defense. lie stated in returning a question 
bout his former addresses that he lived at 4907 I'ligazine Street in New 
)rleans at one time and worked for the William Riley Company; that hs was 
irrect^J in Hew Orleans for disturbing the peace and paid a $10 fine while 
le was demonstrating for the Fair Play for Cuba Cosroittee; that he had a 
'ight v:ith some anti-Castro refugees and that they were released while he 
'as fined. 

Upon questioning by Captain Fritz, he said, "I have no views on the 
resident." "Ify wife and I like the President's family. They are in- 
eresting people. I liave my own views on the President's national policy. 

have a right to express my viev;s but because of the charges I do not 
hink I should comment further." Os\?ald said "I am not a malcontent; 
lOthing irritated me about the President." Ee said that dvuring I962 he was 
aterviewcd by the FBI and that he at that time refused to take a polygraph 
nd that he did not intend to take a polygraph test for the DaJJLas police, 
t this time Captain Fritz showed a Selective Service Card that was taken out 
f his wallet which bore the name of Alex Hidell. Oswald refused to discuss 
his after being asked for an explanation of it, both by Fritz and by James 
ookhoutj the FBI Agent. I asked him if he viewed the parade and he said he 
ad not. I then asked him if he had shot the President and he said he had not. 

asked him if he had shot Governor Connally and he said he had not. Ee did 
ot intend to answer further questions without counsel and that if he could not 
et Abt, then he would hope that the Civil Liberties Union would give him an 
ttorney to represent him. At that point Captain Fritz terminated the inter- 
iew at about 11:30 A.M., II-23-63. 




Inspector 
Kelley Exhibit A — Continued 



Thomas J. fu^>a.cy - OQQ 



441 



on NOVEI-EER 23, 1953 

At about 12:35 P.M., iroveniber 23, 15^3, L=e Oo'.;ald v;as interviewed in 
the ofi"ice of Captain Will Fritz of the IIo:rJ.cide Divisioa, Dallas Police De- 
partn:ent. Arno.13 thoce preccnt at this interview wore Inspector Kellcy, 
Captain Fritz, Detectives Scnl:el and Ticrnon of the Uonicido Division and 
£A Jair.es Eoolcout, FBI. Captain Fritz conducted the Interview which was 
concerned KOGtly with Oswald's places of residence in Dallas and was an 
attempt to ascertain where the bulk of Oswald's bclon^in^s v;ere located In 
Dallas. As a result of the interview, Os\/ald furnished information to 
Captain Fritz that most of his personal effects, including a sea bag, were 
in the gai-ago at the address of Mrs. Paine, 25I5 V/est 5th Street, Irviag, 
Texas . 

The intervievj v/as concluded about 1:10 />. M. and immediately 
thereafter nieKbers of the Iloaicide Division secured a search 
v;arrant and recovered Osv:ald's effects froa the homo of Mrs. 
Paine. Found ar.ons the effects were tAv-o different poses in 
snapshot type photographs taicen of Osv/ald holding a rifle in 
one hand and holdin^j up a copy of a paper called the Militant 
and "The V'orker" in the other hand. Oswald v:a3 wearing a 
revolver in a holster on his riglit side. This photograph was 
enlarged by the Dallas Police Labox-atories and was used as a 
basis of additional ouestioning of Oswald at approximately 
6:00 P.M. that sau.3 evening. 

On IJovember 23, 1953, az 6:00 P.M., in the office of Captain Fritz, 
nor.iicide Division, Dallas Police Department, I was present at an Interview 
with Oswald. Also present were Captain Fritz, FEI Agent Jin Eoolvhoutt, and 
four ofi'cers fro:^ the Ho.zicide Division. This Interview was conducted with 
0s».'ald for the pxirpose of displaying to liin the blow-ups of photographs shov;- 
ing hi::i holding a rifle and a pistol which wore seized as a result of the 
search \/arrant for the garage of Mi'S. Paine at 2515 V'est 5'th Street, Irving, 
To>:as. V.'hen the photographs were presented to Oswald, he sneered at them 
saying that they were fake photographs; that he had been photographed a 
;.-j:i;ber of times the day before by the police and apparently after they 
photographed hiiu they superimposed on the photogx'aphs a rifle and put a gun 
in his pocket. He ■,jt into a long argurient with Captain Fritz about his 
knowledge of photography and asked Fritz a nuinber of tiaes whether the 
Eir.aller photograph was made froni the larger or whether the larger photograph 
was made fron the snaller. lie said ao the proper tine he would show that the 
photographs were falces. Fritz told hi:a that the smaller photogi-aph was taken 
froa his effects at the go rage. Csv.-ald became arrogant and refused to answer 
any further questions concerning the photographs and would not identify the 
photogi-aphs as being a photograph of hinself . Captain Fritz displayed great 
patience and tenacity in attempting to secure frca Oswald the location of what 
apparently is the backyard of an address at which Oswald fonnerly lived, but 
it v/as apparent that Osv/ald, tliougii slightly shaken by the evidence, had no 
intention of furnishing any information. 

The interview was terminated at about 7:15 P.M. 




Thcjnas J. 
Inspector 



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442 



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Chief Novenbsr 2?, 1963 

In-pector Kolley '"\^ y 

Prsliriino-ry Special Dallas Report 'j 3 
Covers ohirJ intorvicw vith Csuald and 
circuinstancas irxcdiatsly follov;ins his r.urder 

lis int3rvieu started at approxir^toly 9:30 All on Sunday, NovcnbGr 2U, 1963. 

intervieij was conducted in th3 office of Captain V;ill Fritz of tha Hor.icids 
irsau, Dallas Police. Present at the interview in addition to Osv.'ald tjera 
•ptain Fritz, Foetal Inspector Iloln^s, SAIC Sorrels, Inspector Kelley and four 
rbers of the Hordcide Sq^aad. The intox^icj had just begun when I arrived and 
ptain Fritz was a:;ain requesting Oswald to identify the place where the photo- 
raph of hin hcldir::3 the gun was taken. Captain Fritz indicated that it would 
ivo the Police a ^vizX. deal of tir.e if he woui- tell then t;her3 the place was 
cated. Cr.;ald refused to discuss the natter. C::ptain Fritz asked, "Are you 
Corrunist?" Cc'.:ald cntTjercd, "ITo, I am a Tarnist but I am not a Marxist 
ninist". Captain Fritz asked hin what the difference was and Csvjald said it 
:uld take too Icn^ to explain it to hir.. Oswald said that he becare interested 
1 the Fair Play for Cuba Ccr.r.ittee x;hiie he t;as in New Orleans; thj.t ha wrote 

the Ccrrittee's Ilea'^cuai-fcors in ITew York and received some Corrattoe litera- 
jre and a letter signed '^-j .'.lex Plidoll. Ke ijtated that he began to distribute 
:iat literature in ire:.' Grler.ns and it was at that tiir.e that he get into an 
Ltercation i.ith a group a;:d ho was arrested. He said his opinions concerning 
iir Play for Cuba are well known j that he appeared on Bill Stukey's television 
:ogran in iroif Orleans on a number of occasions and was interviewed by the local 

often. JHe denies Imcwing or ever seeing Kidell in New Orleans, said he 
elieved in all of the tenets of the Fair Play for Cuba and the things which the 
;ir Play for Cuba Ccr.-.-ittee stood for, ■whic'!-. was free intercourse with Cuba and 
reedon for tourists of the both countries to travel within each other's borders. 

fuLC 

rong ether things, Os'.jald said that Cuba should h^ave f6^<Hd diplocatic rolaticn- 
•2ip with the United States. I asked hin if he thought that the President's ' 
issassination icould liave any effect on the Fair Play for Cuba Ccmittes. He said 
■ere t;ould be no change in the attitude of the .Irerican people toward Cuba with 
rosident Johnson becc:.".ing President because they both belonged to the car.3 
olitical party and the one x.'ould follo-u pretty generally the policies of the 
ih:;r. Ke stated -'■.at he is an avid reader of Russian literature uliether it is 
jrjTunistic or nctj that he subscribes to "Taa Kilitant", which, he says, is the 
:ekly of the Socialist party in the United Statss (it is a copy of "The Kilitant" 
lat Oswald is cho:;n holding in t:.e photograph taken froa his effects at Irving 
:.r3 3t). At that tire he asked r.3 whether I was an FBI Agent and I said that I 
IS not that I was a r.erber of the Secret- Service. Ha said ;;hen he was standing 
1 front of the Textbook Building and about to leave it, a young crew-cut Ean 
jshed up to bin and said he was frcn the Secret Service, showed a book of 
iontificaticn, and asked hi^. where the phone was. Oswald said he pointed toward 
le pay phone in the building and that he saw the ran actually go to the phone 
jfora ha left. 17 7 

Kelley Exhibit A — Continued 



443 



2. 

00-2-3li,030 

I asked Oswald whether u a Harxiet he believed that religion was an opiate 
of the people and he said rery definitely- ao that all organised religions tend 
to become nonopolistie and are the ftanses of a great deal of class warfare. I 
asked hin whether he considered the Catholic Church to be an enes^r of the 
Connmmist philosophy and he said well, there was no Catholicisn in Russiaj 
that the closest to it is the Orthodox Chm*ches but he said he would not further 
discuss his opinions of religion sines this was an attenpt to have him say 80bs» 
thing which could be oonstrtied as being anti-religious or anti Catholic. 

Capt. Frits displayed an Ehco street nap of Dallas which had been found among 
Oswald's effect at the rooming house. Oswald was asked whether the nap was his 
and whether he had put sone sarks on it. He said it was his and reniarked ">ty' 
Qod don't tell ne there's a nark near where this thing happened". The nark was 
pointed out to hia and he said "What about the other narks on the nap?- I put a 
number of narks on it. I was looking for work and narked the places where I went 
for jobs or where I heard there were Jobs". 

Since it was obvious to Captain Friti that Oswald was not going to be coopsratiye, . 
he teminated the inteirriew at that tine. 

I approached Oswald then and, out of the hearing of the others except perhaps one 
of Captain Fritz's nen, said that as a Secret Service agent, we are anxious to 
talk with hin as soon as he had secured counseli that we were responsible for the 
safety of the Presidentj that the Dallas Police had charged hin with the assassi- 
nation of the President but that he had denied it| we were therefore very anxious 
to talk with hifii to nake certain that the correct story was developing as it 
related to the assassitaation. He said that he would be glad to discuss this 
proposition with his attorney and that after he talked to one, we could either 
discuss it with hin or discuss it with his attorney, if the attorney thought it 
was the wise thing to do, but that at the present tine he had nothing nore to say 
to me. Oswald was then handed some different clothing to put on. The clothing 
Included a sweater. Captain Frits nade a nunber of telephone calls to asceirtain 
whether the preparations he had placed into effect for transferring the prisoner 
to the County Jail were ready and upon being so advised. Captain Frits and nembsrs 
of the Detective Bureau escorted Oswald from the Homicide Office on the third 
floor to the basement where Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby. 

On the completion of the interview, SAIC Sorrels and I proceeded to the office of 
the Chief of Police on the third floor and were discussing the interview when we 
heard that Oswald had been shot. We both ran down the steps to the basement. I 
arrived in the ante-roon where they had dragged Oswald. SAIC Sorrels located and 
interviewed Ruby, Someone was beirfing over Oswald with a stethoscope and he 
appeared to be unconscious in very serious condition at that time. I asked Captain 
Fritz what had happened and he jsaid Oswald had been shot by one Jack "Rubio" whom 
the police knew as a tavern operator. Shortly thereafter a stretcher airived and 
I accon^ianied the stretcher t<J the ambulanci which had been hastily backed inio the 
garage. I observed that during the transfer that Oswald was unccnsciou^i when the 
ambulance drove away from the building, I attempted to board a cruiser that ^ -r<] 
apparently was going to follow the atobulancle but I was unable to get into the car J- ' • 
before it pulled away. Special Agents Warner and Patterson had heard of the shoot- 
ing on their radio, prooaadad to Parkland Hospital where Oswald was being taken and 
arrired rsry ahortly mf%ar Onald luidisin^'Vai c% itao oMrganoy antranoa and was 

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444 



3. 
00-2-3U,030 

being takan Into the ffiMrgsnoj treatment rooK. One or the other of the83 agents 
vai In close proxlidty to Oswald while he was being treated. When I arrirad at 
tha hospital, I rode vp on the elevator with Dr. Shaw who had looked at Oswald 
as h3 had cone in and was being recalled to tha operating rooa whera Oswald had 
boen taken. While Oswald was in the operating room, no one oth3r than nodical 
porsonnal was present but a Dallas policeman who had accompanied Ocwald in the 
ajnbulance was standing in the doorway of the op'^rating room in operating room 
scrub clothes. Mo other investigating personnel were in the vicinity. In the 
iiTjr.ediate vicinity of the detective was Special Ag^nt Wamar. Oswald mads no 
8tat3m'?nts from the time he was shot until the time of his death. He was un- 
conscious during the ambulance run to tha hospital which I verified through 
Detective Daugherty, who accompanied him. He did not regain conscio\ianess at 
any time during the treatment until he died. At the tiJiw of his death, myself. 
Detective Daugherty and Colonel Oarrison of the Texas State Police were on the \ 
fifth floor of the hospital arranging a security rooB in which to take Oswald, 
in the event he survived the operating room treatment. It was ne. er necessary 
to use this room and upon learning of his death, I proceeded to the morgjue to 
arrange for his family to view the body. When the family heard of the death 
they were in the process of being interviewed by Special Agents Kunkel and Howard, 
and requested to be bi^ught to the hospital. Oswald's .brother, Robert, who had 
also como to tha hospital, was being inteirviewed by Special Agent Howlstt. Before 
the poet mortem was performed, Oswald's family, with the exception of Robert, 
viewed the body, Robert arrived too late to view the body befora the autopsy 
had started and was not permitted by hospital authorities to view the body. The 
family was accompanied during the viewing by the hospital chaplain. 

After Baking airangements through the chaplain and another clergyman for tha 
burial of the body, tha family was returned to a secluded spot under the protec- 
tion of Special Agents Kunkel and Howard, and tha Irving Texas police. Precaution 
was taken to insure their safety in view of the exclt3m7nt caused by the killing 
of Oswald. Special Agents Howard axid Kxinkel did an excellent Job in handling the 
security of this family detail and insurinc their safety. Thereaftar, I was 
called by SAIC Bouck who advised ne that tha President and tha Attorney General 
were concerned about tha safety of this fasdly and Instructed that all precautions 
should be taken to insure that no ham befell thev* SAIC Bouck was advised that 
the family was presently under our protection] we would continue providing 
protection until further notice. 

Later that sane day, I was contacted by SA Robai>tson of the FBI who asked whether 
we had someone with the family. He was assured that we had. Ha requested to be 
advised where the family had been takan. Since their ultimate destination was 
unknown to ne at the time, I assured him that when I learned of their whereabouts 
I would relay it to hln. He said that they received instructions fron tha Attorney 
Ocneral and President Johnson that precaution should be taken to insure the family 
safety. 

|At 11 pm, Sunday, Iforember ?Uth, Z «a« advised of the location of the family and 
immediately notified Robertson and inquired whether they now wished to take over 
their protection. Be said no they bad no svoh inatructicoa, they lurely wished to 
be assured that aoaseaa va^loolpli^ owtf JTor; t^beir safety. I asaured thsB that 

li c :-lj:i oJ-uAiCt '^' , 177 

!\:cEi',f:D 

Kelley Exhibit A — Continued 



445 
'44-731 O— 64— vol. XX 30 



ll. 

00-2-3U,030 

adequate proteetion v«a baing prorided an) that thajr }I9T9 available for inter- 
TlevB by tha IBI. Ha atatad that tbsy did not viah tc latarrlaw the faidl/ 
at thia tlMj that %h»j Mraljr muit«i ta aaka aura thajr vara la aaf a haala . 



TJX ITS 






i<i:n£i";:n 177 

Kelley Exhibit A— Continued 



446 



D-302 (R.». J.3-S9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION \ \ 

^12-10-63 

Dote 



EDWARD KELLY, "porter, employed by the Dallas Public 
Uorr.s Depprtment, and Etatkredat the Municipal Building and 
Police and Courts Building, advised that he was on duty on 
November 24, 1963. He stated that at approximately 9:30 or 
10:00 he was in the basement with a few other city employees. He 
furnished the following information. 

KELLY was told by a Dallas Police Officer, whose 
name he does not knowy to leave the basement area. He had 
observed an unlcnown Sergeant of the Police Department tell 
his patrolmen to have KELLY 's group leave the basement. KELLY 
does not know how many men left the basement, but estimates there 
were four or five who did. They took the elevator and went to 'the 
first floor of the Municipal Building. Before leaving the 
basement he had observed some police officers searching the . / 

basement, ,. i/ ^ ■ 

... ^ ., 

LOUIS McKINZIEaLsoan employee with the Dallas Public':/ 
Works Department was operating the elevator. When this ,'i"~ 
group got to fbe^first floor of the Municipal Building, '.^' 
KELLY went to a point where he could observe ' the Commerce 
Street exit" of the ramp from the basement of the Police 
Department. He was there to observe LEE HARVEY OSWALD being 
transferred to the County Jail. The first time he knew 
OSWALD was shot was when an ambulance left the building 
with Oswald's body and someone advised him OSWALD had been 
shot. 

^ KELLY went to another floor of the Municipal 
Building and worked after they took OSWALD away in ths 
ambulance and he returned to the basement at approximately 
2:30 p,m, on November 24, 1963, He stated he does notkiow 
JACK RUBY and did not know LEE HARVEY OSWALD, 



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_Ex.No,5133 KELLY, Edw. Deposition_ 
Dallas 4-1-64 



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12-10-63 Dallas, Texas ^ DL 44-1639 
at -AJ\ FiU # 



JACK B.. PEDENJ - md . , 10-12-63 

>y Speciol Agent , ^ Date dictat«d 

in>U document contalaa neither reoommandotlons oor oox' '<' 'on* o( the FBI. It Is the property o( the TBI and la loaned to 
four a«*nKy| ii ond lie cfl"'*"!* af» net t« be Huljt>»>»'»'' ■■'■■■.■,.: y^^^ a««H«^i 

Kelly Exhibit No. 5133 



447 



'■ ■ ■ • ,' 

FD^oj (R.v. J-3.SS) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



"::>^: 



1/31/64 
Doto 



V Captain GLEH D. KING .(N A) , Sl9 Goldwocd , Dallas, 

taleplione c^4--4L162.vw-xidvi£iad. he-- is'-'Administrative Assistant to 
Chief of PolicQ JESSE E. CURRY, Dallas Police Department, and ' 
^■ras so enployed during the period including November 22 , 1963 , 
and continues in that capacity. 



Captain KING said he had, on January 24, 1964, observed >C 

the March 1954 issue of Saga magazine , which had been e>iiibited (^ 

to him by a Dallas newspaper reporter . This magazine • included an f ^ 

article purportedly \i7ritten by a former FBI Agent -who , as KING ^ • »^ ^ 

recalled, had been "fired." Ee said his attention had been ^ | "^ 

specifically called to the quotation in the article attributed - -V^ ;,^ 

to him to the effect that he had stated the Dallas Police C;.ipartment q "^^ 

had no record of LEE HARVEY OSVTALD prior to the assassination ' and \j i r i 

that there ^-ras no reason why the police should have had a previous ^o ^li 

record inasmuch as there had been no indication OSWALD engaged in' c^ "■ 

any criminal activities , which would have been normally brought to ^"^ _ 

the attenti,on of the police . 2 

. ...-- f^^ 

Captain KING stated that ho, on November 22, 1963 , ana J^-.^ 
subsequent. days, was contacted by innumerable representatives cf " 
various news media. Ee stated he is quoted substantially correctly • f 
inasmuch as he had given this same answer to numerous reporters 
who had inquired as to whether the Dallas Police had a previous 
record of 0SV3ALD. 

A copy of the March 1964 issue of Saga \'7as exhibited 
to .KING, along with a photograph of ^CLLIAM W. TXIRNER, purportedly *^ 
the writer of the article in question. KING stated he is reason- vj^ 
ably sure he recalls TURNER as one cf the xaany persons V7ho ^ 
contacted him although he might not have been able to select his 
photograph if it had been exhibited among other photographs. Ea 
said th ! name VJILLIAI-I W. TURNER \'ras not recalled ■specifically. 
Ee said, however, he recalls that an individual was in his office 
on an unrecalled date representing he vras a magazine writer. 



"~ Glen D. King Exhibit #1 



or. 1/25/54 Dallas, Texas -''-35 p.j^ ^^ PL 1C0-104S1 

I'l^LNNING-C. CLEMENTS and 
by S^oclcl Aoor.t § ALBERT SAYERS - LAC " ^^.^ ^j.^^.^j ^/^^/^^ 

T>.la docucoat oon;c:»» r.&Uhor rocoai&ttndotlona nor coacluctono of tho FBI* It la tho property oi tb* FBI and la Xoon« 
y&iU' cgoac/; U cod lU coaioata oro &ot to ^9 CLatrlbuto^ ouUi^e your ogoncy. 

King Exhibit No. 1 



448 



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F^-:o2(R,». 3.3-48) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

^. .. 7" ^- ^^ Ooval.. LOO H. - Murdor 1.7 Foxby- Ps 

■ ' <^5.r>t:nin CLEN _D. KING '/ Adaiais trativG Assistant to 

Chief JESSL ii.~'oui\:v/~or "che. iv-.llas Police Department, was • ■ 

interviev;ed and xvas iiiitiediately advised of the official /\-- 

identity of Special Agent LEO L. ROBERTSON. He V7as advised vVy 

th^>t he did not have to make a statcinent , tho.t any statcrient ^ ^, i 

. he did make could be used against him in a court of lav; and ""^ ": 

that he had the right to consult an attorney prior to ma-king ^ ;{ 

,. any statement. Ee then furnished the follox^ng information: < .,'/ .i 



1 ,n.. 



On December 9, 1963, Ca.ptain KING advised that 
he was the press relations officer for the police department 
and that he had not given a press card to JACK RUBY. Ee 
stated he was also sure that no one else in the police ';■ 

department had given RUBY a press card and that he would have •)C V 
kncv;a: about it since he was the person assigned as press ^ \ 
•relations officer. , > 

■ w \ 

On December 10, 1963, Captain KING,, advised that he h£d~^' \ 
no assignment in regard to moving LEE E\RVEY OSWALD from the ,~^V 
City to the County Jail but stated that since' he was the press "! ,,'^ 
relations officer he went down to the basement at apprc:<imately ^^ 
10:45 a.m. and was there until after the shooting. At the / 
;.time he V7ent into the corridor x-7here the shooting occurred, ;^' ^"* 
he glanced over and saw the various media/of the press and "^i 
recognized two men from the Dallas TlTrss A' eral d , ^ACK BEERS j i^r^ 
a .photographer, and also pEOI<GE Pr^'£i\:ix\ /He stated there v;ere . 
possibly others in the. group he fcxev/, although he could not 
recall the names of arsy others who xvere there at that time 
as he was core concfiirned v/ith the set-up in the basement 
and was not actually thinking about v;ho V7as dovm there. 

Ee stated he has knovTn JACK RUBY since about 1955 
or 1956 as he worked in the Vice Squad at thiat time and they 
.came in contact x^ith most individuals \'fno operated the type 
of places that RL^Y had. Ke could not recall having seen 
RL3Y- since about 1956 and stated -he doubted whether or not he 
v7ould bjive recognized RUBY b^d he seen him. Ee stated at the 
time- he arrived ia the basement he would estimate there xjcre 



Glen D. King Exhibit #£ 



v^ 



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or. _i2./9^.10/c3-cJ DalLg^- T!-'^p-^ Filo // PL ^^-16^,Q 

by S,o=ioI Aconr LEO L. R03ERTS0N/csh ^^^^ ^.^^^^^^ ^2/10/63 

Thla docur:;cDt contalno nolthor rocomcacodatlona nor concluulor.s of tho FBI. It i« tho prop«rty o( th« FBI and La 2o<3&«<i tc 
y&ur cgcr.cy; U c^^d U& ocato&te g;o s.ot to bo dIatrlbuteU outaMo your OQcnc/. 

King Exhibit No. 2 



449 



DL. 44-1539 

oossibly 30 or ^G rr.err.bars of the press there at that time 
z'^Z ha V7as not s-^re about thi-s os "ae v/as not thinkin2 about 
th-tj as r.entionec previously. He advised he V7as not in on 
the conferenec that the aci:iiniGcrative staff had concerning 
i^eeurlty '.?.easurca Gnd did aoii knov/ ul. j £i.euu<al e>lans , aluhcu^-h 
he v:as avare that the press and police officers V7ere the only 
authorised people vzho v/ere supposed to be in the area^ Ke did not 
hnov of any unaUw'"orized person .there and V7as not in a position 
to observe any of the ceir.bers of the nev/s ciedia coming in 
at the ti— a he arrived there. 

Ke advised he. had never knov/n any police officers 
vho had vorked for RUBY and it v.vis against the deoartnr.ent 's 
regulations for any Dallas policeman to work for any night 
olubs or any other type of establishments where they sold 
a.cl.h-''.ic beverages. Ke advised that shortly before the 
shootir'g, "they were attempting to move u^70 police cars 
onto the ramp and that he had .3013 out to the end of the 
corridor and* turned to his right, vi^ich v;as south or on^^ 
Comr.erce Street and V7as attempting to get some of the police 
officers and nc //smen mov&^lback so that the police cars would 
have room to back up to the corridor V7here they V7ere going 
to bring OSWALD out. Ee stated he v;-:}s approximately half 
way between the tv70 cars but V7as up oa the west side of the 
ramp when he heard the shot, r'.e looked around and sav; tr^.t several 
officers r-ad a man dovTn, whom he later determined V7as JACK 
?JJ2Y. rie immediately ordered police officers to block all 
entrances and not let anyone in or out. Ke stated he then 
\:a-z over to where RISY v;as lying and accompanied RUBY, 
Detective KARRIS and f.-70 or three other officers, v/nose 
nar.es he could not recall, to the elevator where they took 
•JACK Ru2Y to the, 5th floor. He stated when they arrxved 
on z':.3. 5th floor he ordered these men to strip RUBY dovjn and 
search him thoroughly. He stated he h^d not hear of any^^infor- 
mation concerning any relationship between OS^.-IALD and RuiY. 






King Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



450 



1 

DL 44-loS9 



":u:. J, B. Curry 
Cr.ief of Police 



"Sir: 



"Dscember 2, 1963 



"Subject: Kurder of Lee Harvey Oswald 



"The following information is submitted relevant to ny 
activities in the basement of the Police and Courts Building 
immediately prior to, at the time of, and immediately following" 
the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby, Alias Jack • 
Leon Rubens te in. . , 

"At :Lppro>:inately 10:45 a.n:; on November 24, I X'7ent to the 
basement of the Police and Courts Euilcing. because of the 
number of nev7smen who were assembled at that location. The 
r.ewsm.en 'v;ere there because of the impending transfer of ' v.' 
Oswald from the City to the County Jail. 

"vrnen I v;ent into the parking' area and drivevray, a large 
number of nev7sm-en were already there. I spoke briefly with 
Jack Beers, photographer for the Dallas Homing Nevjs who 
V7as, at that time, standing on the rail on the eastern side of 
the /driveway, I stayed in the basement tallcing with news- 
men -and preventing them from going up the south raaip toward 
the location x^;here the armored car xcas parked. 

"I talked briefly with Captain O.A. Jones, Captain C.3, 
Talbert; and Captain f'.mett of the Police Reser\'es. 

"K'.en the vehicle, driver, by Lieutenant R. S, Pierce, was 
! driven from the basement to 1-Iair. Street, I V7as on the west ' 
cide of the driveway near V7here the ramp to Commerce 
Street starts up, I'v7as at this locatior. v:heii the vei>icle. 



c « sr 



— Glen D. King Exhibit #3 _ • 

., :. ^ ■ j'V5 . ■ ' 

King Exhibit No. 3 



451 



'•driver, by Detective C, N« Laority, v;as backed tov?ard 
l>;«ir. Street cr.d I was xcatchin^ this vehicle when I 
heard the shot. I yelled for the ofiicerc 6n the Corfji;crco 
Street side to keep people froin co:iiir.g ir* or leaving and 
then went over to where Ruby was being held. The persons 
I rCi^er^ber seeing V7ith Ruby V7ere Officer U^„J^..Kai:risQn_ of . 
the Juvenile Bureau and Detective. ,D. R. Archer of the Auto 
Theft Bureau. I went x-;ith these officers inside the Jail Office 
with Ruby and then up the elevator to the 5th Floor where I 
left then and returned to the basement* 'When I returned to the 
basement J Oswald had already been picked up by the arabulance, 
'f then' returned to s::y office and talked V7ith nev;s:i:en V7ho 
ccntinued to cczne into the Adziirlstrative Office inquiring 
ctcu'j the;' i-.':Gieori';; ur.ich had occurred in 'i:hz basement* 

"Respectfully subraittedj 



jz! Glen d; ICing 

Cn^tcin of -police 



Glen D. IGng Exiiibit #3 
King Exhibit No. 3 — Oontinued 



452 







.■■> V.J 



can discuss that pressure and the^-ole-ofJije.JJ^lice, and the relations 
fc.:.-x;'^ thv r^''U-«- aad tbi- |>rvw rfyrtiv:£ thai jwriod. Ijctlcr than anyoa* 

C-:v::n:;triUvc assiatr-nt to Chief Curry. Crttcr ihr-n t!-.:;l. from cca- 
ctcndpoint, he is a former newspaperman. He was a police reporter en 
tlie D.-.Uas Morning News, when he joined the police liepartment in 
lC-13. He served in every division oi the department until he has ri;on 
to his present spot. 

Ke has studied journalism in college, at the University of Texas and 
Southern Jlethodist University. He has attended a number of police ' 
institutes; he has lectured at some. He writes in the field of police sci- 
ence; he is the author of two books and numerous magar.ine articles. 
We &re esp-ecially grateful to him for coming here this morning to tell /vj- jI 
us how the ixilice saw this story. ^ — "^ ^'''jf ^ 

CAIT.A.IN Glzn King, Police Dep artment, . ( D.illas, Tcxasj J *" 

Ci'thinl; one oi my primary problems here this morning is going to 
be one of selection. Because in a few brief moments, I'm going to have 
to try to condense days of prejiaratioii for the visit of the President to 
Dallas and weeks of investigation that followed his assassination there 
into some logical order. ' • 

I'm going to have to omit eiitirels rniLiiy points that I might touch 
upon. If I fail to address some jwiut tii:il you ;iro particularly interested 
in, I apologize to you in advance, 'iiiue won't permit me to touch all 
of it. 

I also should explain to you at the outset that I am appearing here 
under certain limitations. Investigiitions into the assassination and the 
events which followed it are continuing. It has been indicated to the 
police department in Dallas the Warren Commission prefers that we 
not comment on certain areas of this investigation and on certain aspects 
of the evidence we have. 

It might seem inconsistent to you, because I might talk about one 
part of a question then not go further on it. There might not be any 
logical or explainable reason for it. It's going to have to be on my 
appraisal of it. So, again on this, I'll apologize. 

The police department involvement can be broken down into som.e 
rather clearly definable categories. 

The first one I would li!:e to touch on v/as the preparation for the 
visit of the President to Dallas. At that time we occupied purely a 
supportive role. The Air Force was primarily responsible for getting 
the President and his party to Dallas. The Secrot Service was primarily 
responsible fof his safety while he was in Dallas. 

We occupied, as I say, a supportive role. We performed a supportive 
function here. To do this we met with the Secret Service and with other 
oinciui r.^encies and civic organizations in Dallas at least daily and on 
most days many times beginning on Noveu.hcr IS. 

On that day we received the first ofTicial notice that the Prcsident_ , 
r/ould visit Dallas. We had known v. it prior to this tims'Tjuircourse -^ 
We had read it in the newspapers that he was going to take a trip, and 
that Dallas was going to be one of the stops on the trip. But it was 
only on the 13lli that we received official notification that he would 
be in Didlas. This came through the Secret Service. 

From that time, as I say, until the iiml when he arrived, there 
•were at least daily conferences. Most days — and on those days almost 
the whole day for .some members of the department — were devoted 
to the conferences prep.- .ring for the President's visit. 

The plans for security that were eventually worked out called for 
our assignment of manpower at three specific locations. The first one 
was at Dallas' Love Field, where the President's plane was to land. We 
assigned a dei)uty chief and 5-i men to that location to contain the crowd 
and to perform those functions that had to he performed so that the 
President's party could leave Love Field on time to make his sjx-ech. 

The second place was the route the motorcade would take. Prior to ' .' 
the visit, our deputy chief of trafiic traveled the route several times in'"^ 
the company of Secret Service men and decided with them the loci-' ' 
lions where officers would be assigned. , 






Uril^ 



Glen D. KincT R>rh-!hit. Jldi 
King Exhibit No. 4 



453 




KiNE. . (ASNE) . .23173. .ch 

We put men at all signalized intersections. We put two to four men 
at all locations where turns would be made — because it was believed 
that there would be a bigger concentration of the viewing public there — 
at all overpasses, railroad trestles, bridges. Every place the President's 
motorcade would travel under, we assigned additional men to. 

On our own, we assigned detectives in the middle of the blocks 
where we thought the greatest number of viewers would be. Jn all, we 
had 178 men assigned to the parade route. 

The third location was the Trade Mart, the building at which the 
President was to make his speech. We assigned 63 men to work ouUide 
there, working the parking area, making sure everything was in order 
there. 

Inside we had the deputy chief and 150 men. Our association with 
the press during this part of it was rather limited. As I said, the Secret 
Service was the primary agency of jurisdiction. We were aiding them as 
best we could. Most of the contact with the press during this part of it _ 

was either with the Secret Service or the public relations organization^ t^/*«Vu|.. 
Mr. McKnight mentioned to you. ^ 

With the assassination and the few seconds that it took, our posi- 
tion changed from one of support to the agency with primary investi- 
gative jurisdiction. When the President was shot, it became our re- 
sponsibility to investigate in an attempt to determine who had com- 
<?K^~TiuLU!(J the violation and cilect •A* arrest. 

We were fortunate that we were able to talk to a person at the lo- 
cation of the events who gave us a description of a person, ap employe 
who, he said, had been in the building prior to the assassi n ation but 
was not there following it. 

We broadcast this description on our police radio within a very few 
minutes after the assassination. The description was of a slender white 
male, about 30 years of age,, about five feet ten, weighing about 105 
pounds. At the time he was seen, he was carrying something that looked 
like either a 30-30 rifle or some type of a Winchester. 

The next time we heard of this person or had any contact was at 

1:18 pjn. A citizen came on the police radio and reported to our radio 

dispatcher that a member of our deptartment had been shot in the 400 

1/ * block of East 10th, which is an estimated two miles from the location 

where the President was assassinated. 

A later investigation revealed that one of our o£Bceis, J. D. Tippit, 
had been shot at that location and was dead on arrival at Parkland 
Hospital. Because Tippit is dead and because Oswald the man who, we 
eventually learned, shot him is also dead, we can only speculate on what 
happened. But this seems logical to us and this is what we believe did 
occur. 

W'e know that Tippit was driving his squad car east on 10th Street; 
that he pulled alongside Oswald, who was walking west on 10th on the ^ 

«outh side of the street; that he spoke to him briefly across the front ^ 

seat of the automobile. Then he got out of the car and started to walk 
around the front of it. When he reached the front of the car, Oswald 
opened fire and Tippit was shot three times. He was hit twice in the 
head and once in the chest. We believe that any of the wounds would 
have probably been fatal. 

Oswald fled the scene on foot. A short time later the department . 
received information that he had entered a theater, the Texas Theater, 
approximately seven blocks away from the scene where the officer was 
shot. Our policemen converged on the theater. He was placed under 
arrest and brought to City Hall approximately an hour and ten minutes 
after the assassination of the President. 

When you stand at the point of solution of an offense and you look 
back toward its commission, you see a very clearly defined pattern. It 
is easy to see each step of it. It is a little bit different when you stand 
at the point of the offense and attempt to look towards th e solution. ^j^/ fj^ .fftT 
We were extremely fortunate to be able to effect the aw c e tf ^n such a 
short amount of time. 

By the time Oswald arrived at the police station, there was already 
a horde of newspapermen in the hallway. Within a very few minutes ■ - 

of the shooting of the President, they started coming into the police 
station — newtpapar nynt^rr* lelrvi>iiM< m<m silh trl^viniiin M)ui|>inpnt 
cameras, cable*. 

We have been xsriticized. and Derhan* with iiiittifi<<atinn fr>» •iu«».i«.». 

the newsmen to remain in the hallways, for allowing newsmen to view 

the investigation and to keep in constant touch with the progress of 

the investigation. We felt that we had to do so, and for a variety of reasons. 



ezL 



Glen D. King Exhibit #U 

King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 




454 




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ttii, of 'I.. lir»l ..111- ■•! ■':■•■ ix.ii. ■ .if ;llf ilr|.;irlluflil. N..« I l.:ill/>- 
tliJll ptilicy i> i-li;illi:i'!il.|r. all. I \»-\\r\ u\ llii- iii-I;im<-.- ri.iii.l liavi- 1...I1 
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iiii.l yi-iirv :iii<l •..ills I., icii.l.r uli.il.vcr a^^i-lanc.' «a> i...-il.l»- I., llf 
pr.'--^ Ml III.- . s. i.i-. ..f lli'ir iliili.'N. \\\' Ml dial ilu- iiiannllii.l.- ..f tlii> 
crimi. Ilu' v, ii..ii-iii-- of llir dtrni^c. inailc tlii> imoic iiv»>— ai\ lall.r 

tliaii |. »vi-iui! ill.- in r. s'ity for it. — 

_ A .■.(■(•(_>lli l i-i':i-.vii A m- rt-aliynl tlial llii- |irol>al.l> wa- one of I lie nm-l / 
irnporlaiil cvniK in n-rtiit lii..tiin or in anv lii-l.ii\. acliiaily. We iral- 
izid tin- intiroNl ii..l only llic Allien. an pi-oplc »..mI.1 liavc in llii- l>ut 
Ihf world as will. \Vf ivali/i-d lliat if «<• arrc^lcd a >.iis|Kct. thai if wo 
br.)iiplit him into tin' police >lalion an. I tlwn coiidii.trd all of our ilivrs- 
tigalions iH-hinil cIommI door>. that if «»■ save no rt-porU on thr i)roj!iTS» 
of our invest iya I ion and did not p.iinil the iicwmikii to see llu- -iis- 
pcct — if we cxi-liidcd them from it — "i' would Iravc onr>rlv(-> open not 
only to critiri^ms that we wen- faluiiatinp a >ii.-pc<l an. I wriv alUinpt- 
ing to pill xuiii'lliinj: on sonifonc. 'iiit oven more iinporlaiith . wi' would 
cause people to lo>e faith in our fairness aiwl. lliroti};li losiiifi faith in our 
fairnes-.. lo lo-c faith to a eertain extenl in tin- proee-><--. of law. 

We fill il wa- mani'alory that a> many people knew alioiil it as 
po.ssihlc. We knew, too. that if we did exclude I he newMiien. we woul.l 
be Icaviii); ourselves open to a eharfie that we were usin^ improper ac- ^ 
tion. dure>». jihysical abuse, all of these thin;;-. 3 

.'\s a. matter of fact, a short lime after the newsmen came into the 
police station, one of Ihem did hol.l up a pieliire of Oswald an.l sai.l, 
"This is wh.it the person who is ■.ii-piited of a»-a»inalinj: the I'le-ident 
looks like. .M least this is what he did look like. 1 don't l<ni'w wlial he 
looks like now after an hour in the eii-lody of the police ileparliiieiil. " 

This was just a murmur, liul I am convinced that if we had excluded 
the newsmen, this would not have been merely a murmur. It woul.l have 
been a deafeninp roar. We felt that the newsmen had to be there. 

Now. blessed also with hindsight, I am sure we would m;ike some 
changes in what we did. There is no question that the iifw>men there 
interfered with the investigation, ^'ou saw the scenes in our hallway. 
To bring a prisoner from our jail to our liomi. ide office, the liuicaii 
that was handling this, you have to bring him for a short distance down 
a hallway. This is the way the building is arranged. 

It is not the most desiral)le arrangement in I he world, but il is the 
one we have to work with. With n(w>iiuii in ilie halbva.v. with the 
noise that was constant outside the honiici.le Imreau. certainl,v thiv had 
some efTcct on the investigative |)ro(eilure,-. Il was to a eertain exleiit 
disaflvantageous. 

This is not an attempt on my part lo evade any res])onsibilit.v here 
in this field. The newsmen admittedly were tlieCc because we pirmilled 
them to be there. Had we so chosen, we could have excluded I hem. So 
this is not on my jjart a condemnation of the newsmen for exercising 
a privilege that we had given. Still their presence there was a himlering 
factor to us. 

The next and last point that I think I will have time to talk alioul 
was the transfer and the resulting deatii of Oswald. There lins been quite 
a lot of comment about our announcement of the time of transfer. This 
perhaps is an academic point, but 1 think it is one that should be made. 
It has been said that we told the newsm. n that the transfer would 
be made at ten o'clock on Sunday morning. This is not exactly the case. 
On Saturday night, some of the newsmen c;'.mc into our adiiiinistralive 
offices and pointed out to us that they had lieeii there for some hours. 
They told us they were hungry, that thi.-y were tired and that they 
would like to get something to eat but Ihal they had come to Dallas ' ' (,^ 

from considerable distances anil couldn't alford to lie away from the sta- •<'.'/• 

tion when something of importance happened. They asked if we were ") ' ,* 

going to transfer Oswald that night. " / ^ 

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455 



TEN. f.\SN'E> ^••117:1 .ch ... 

We xM-rr not ill ihiil lime fur i-noiigli iilnnu «ilh the iiiv. .-.lipilKm. 
\V. Iiailnl <-.>in|>lrlr.l lli< |>iiii of it lli.-it \m ihtiI,-.! |.. •{„ will, liim u. 
oirr fii>toily. \Yc ti>l.l thi-m I.. In- Imrk Ijy !• ii ..Vl.xk lli<- lu-.vl ULiniiuj:. 
Siimlii.v, Unit ll^i.^ wuiiUl l><- niily cn<iuj;li. 

Till- hnllwiiys out-iiU- w.-pt- >lill full of iuwmikh. Wi- told llit in tin 
sjuiK- thing. Now llii>. on our imrt. iliil inilicjiti' cvrluinly lh;it w^ tl:-;!!'! 
inlcii'l to lijuisfor him prior to tvn o'eloik. aiul we ili<l not. I: .iI-m 
indii'iilcil our inli-ntiou lo allow Ihc »cw>nicn lo l)r jircM-nl ivsrinllc-.-. 
of Ihi- lime iho Iran-sfcr was ina<lc. This wt- tliil. 

VVc liavi- ln'iMi i-ritii-iy.c(l, anil aj»uin porhaiis jiislirialily, for not Iran-^- 
fcriing <)>walil under cover of d»rkne.s.s. It lia» Imn'ii .said to us lliat lline 
o'clock in the niorninj; when the streets w.rr vacant and di>i-ilcd 
wouKI have been the proper time. Well, tliore arc a couplrof fallacies 
in this. The .sircel.s were not vacant and deserted at Ihivc o'clock in the 
morning, and the hallways were not vacant and deserted at three oelock 
in the morning. The .scenes that you just sjiw on sliilcs might well have 
been made at three o'clock in the morning. I don't know what lime they 
were made, but they could have been made almost at any lime of ihc 
day. 

There \va.s not any time at which the newsmen said. "'VYcll. Ufs 
close ilown for the day and reassemble here at seven o'clock in the morn- 
ing." They were there around the clock. People were in the siircts 
around the clock, so regardless of the lime we selected, we were going 
to have to make a Iran.sfer with people present. 

The hours of ilarkness we felt were bad. Wc needed as great ii 
degree of visibility as po.ssible to provide as great a degree of prolection 
as possible. We needed daylight. Wc fell that da>light worked best 
for us. We were not la.\ in our efforts to provide sp«-urity unil we didn't 
approach this with the lackadaisical .iltitudc we have l>een charged with 

Obviously our efforts were ina<lequate, because Oswald wa> killed in 
our allempt to transfer him. But we did take precautions prior lo the 
transfer, prior to the murder — precautions we thought woghl be en- 
tirely adequate. 

The newsmen began to as.semble in the parking area very early in 
the morning. Wc went into the parking area and requested them to 
leave. Then memliers of the department went over the entire parking 
area. We looked every place where a person could conci'ivably hide. 
We checked every vehicle in the parking stations. We even opened the 
trunks of these cars and looked inside lo nuike sure that no one was 
hiding there. 

We stationed men on all doorways leading into the basement, all 
ramps leading into the basement, all stairways, all elevators, ramps — 
everything loading into the basement. Then wc brought the new.smcn 
back in, checking their credentials — if they were not recognii!e<l — us 
they came in. 

I am not now at liberty to say how Ruby came into the basement 
and was able to kill the prisoner we had. I am able lo siiy that it was 
a tempwrary breakdown in security at one s|)ecific location. An officer, 
who was assigned in a place, because of circumstances that occuiTed at 
his place of assignment, failed to see Ruby when he entered, and Ruby 
was able to commit the murder. 

Again, there is no question in my mind that the presence of the 
newsmen in the basement made it possible for Ruby to enter the base- ^ 

ment and remain there for the length of time that it took to bring the 
prisoner out of the jail office and made it possible for him to kill the 
prisoner. , 

If there had been nothing but police ofncers there — we. knew each ' , 

other, but we didn't know most of the newsmen who were there — I ^ jV"^ 

am sure we- would ha ye recognized an alien person and wotdd have been • J_/^ ^ 

able to take the appropriate action to prevent the occurrence that did r\ ^ V ''>^_ 

happen. J J^ \ 

Again this is not a condemnation of the press for being there and it LVi 

is not an attempt on our part to evade the rcsiwnsibility that wc had "-^ 

either. Newsmen were there becau.sc we permitted them to be there. 

My next remark I hesitate to make. I feel like I .ini -ur. ('•i-tir , 
mii-t l.iiv.^ felt when he mihi "Don't '.•>..• «ji~ij:ii«>r>si;-u>< ' .£«M — . ^i'-#iVw<^ — 

' ' I » « i».i'<- lh ii m i l i ii t — vr»t— «(re— iM e r e .l i 'il in. — H , . .r i. 

I haven't covered everything that you are interested in. If you have 



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Glen D. King Exhibit jih — 

King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 



456 







question^ lalT in llir- proiT.-. n.l If 1 am .il.l. l.> :ui-v.. 1I..1,, I mIM 

be Kla.l Iti .1.. ... If 1 liavr t,. ryfi lu^.fn.iii an>».riiii: iIi.m, I . - .1. '' , V,.vC 
also. 

I promise vow thnl I Nvon'l refrain from answirinp cm .if xi.nr f|M< «• 
tions liocHiisc 1 think it is loo hoi to handle. I won't l)ceaiisr 1 think 
il reflects unfavorably on my (ieiiartmcnt or upon myself and if 1 do 
bccau.sc of tliis reason, I'll tell you about it. 

-/ -H ' I Mr. Ulack: As'T said when we introdurcd this panel, we have here 

^^^^ this morning only people who are basically friendly toward the press 

vjut^' but who are still concerned about some aspects of the performance at 

L^. Dallas. 

Our next speaker, Mr. Iloma Hill, is chairman of the Public Rela- 
tions Committee of the State Bar of Texas and has been in that post for 
a number of .years. .\s a result, we owe him quite a debt for the fact 
that Texas is one of the states where Canon 35 has not-- been in efTecl. 

As you know, it is the practice in Texas for judges to have the au- 
thority to permit cameras in their court. Mr. Hill has supported the 
press in this position down through the years and in many other of the 
fights down there. lie has consistently been a defender of the press. 

Mr. Hill is a gradmitc of Baylor University. He b«is been a director 
and vice president of, the State Bar of Texas. In addition to his chairr. 
manship of the I'ublic Relations Committee, he has al.so served as a 
member of the special committee that determined this policy of the 
bar on Canon 35. 

In 19C0, he received from the Texas Sigma Delta Chi nn award for 
service in journalism in Texas for outstanding contributions to freedom 
of information. 

So he comes to us with good credentials as our friend. ^ 

Early this year, Mr. Hill, in a letter to President Herb BruckefTKoidT ^ 
"The news media was very guilty of putting public officials under pres- 
sure and detailing evidence in such a manner that it would almost have 
been impossible to have ever given Lee Oswald a fair trial within the 
United States." 

He is concerned about the ramifications of this in Texas. He sees ua 
in danger of losing some ground that has been gained down there. We ■ 
are very glad to have Mr. Hill with us to detail the progress itself. 

Mr. Homa Hill: I am glad that I. was introduced as a friend of 
the press in the past. When I get through here today, though, there 
may be those who wonder. 

I hope I come out as well as Mf. Brucker did a few years ago 
when he came to Texas as chairman of your Freedom of Information 
Qommittee and made a speech. The first half of his speech was devoted 
to freedom of the press, the second half was to a defense of the Supreme 
Court of the United States at our annual convention of the State Bar. 
Many of the people were represented in their thinking by a man next 
to me who, at the conclusion of Mr. Brucker's remarks, said, "I don't 
agree with a damn thing he has said, but I accord him the right to say 
them." 

We look forward in July at our State Bar convention to hearing Mr. 
Ralph McGill. I think it is well that we hear each other at times. 

I am glad to come here today to associate with men who exercise 
such responsibility in molding public opinion in the United States. I 
have had the good pleasure of working with news media through many 
years. I had a good beginning back in college when I had the job of 
being chauffeur, butler, and valet to distinguished guests who visited 

the Baylor campus. For some six hours one day I had the pleasure of • -V 

being with William Allen White, George B. Dealey and Dean Walter ^, 1 'v 

Williams of the School of Journalism at the University of Mis.souri. So 
I have always thought of you and the men who comprise the editorial 
profession as being men of that caliber. 

King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 



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457 



romtnent on that point? 

P-.i;aiii«NT B«« -KIM I Ihiiik. i<^. thflt woiil.l he a lUHltrr for U.-inl 
»ct«.i. I Ihmk curb ..( u' ■«•> unlivi.UiuU lumht hiix<- opinion. iiU.ui il 

I know that Uun* Vn^Rini. a former Fol Chairman >uui f..r irr 
ASNE President, is deeply suspicious that anything of this kind would 
lead to the things that make us insist on the fullest publicity for every- 
thing. I myself think there is never any harm in study and would like 
to see ASNE go along with it just so long as we are not bound by the 
outcome. 

But I think this is a pretty serious matter of state that you have 
raised and we had better not leave il to a momentary opinion but bet- 
ter have the board study it. 

Mr. Black: I might say this is one area in which we very much 
look forward to the counsel and advice of Mr. Rogers. 
Do we have other questions for members of our panel? 
Mr. David E. Gillespik, Charlotte Observer: Mr. Chairman, any 
of the members of the panel might want to comment on this q.'cstion. 
since I am sure all of them are familiar with the problem that Eric 
Sevareid wrote about in his analysis of what happened to the break- 
down of justice and order in Dallas. 

His theory was that Dallas, although it is metropolitan in area, has 
not developed a metropolitan scn.-.t' of the dispensation of justice in the 
, J -iTj^gJL contact of its officials with the press and with the public. 
^ fji^f*^^^^ We may have seen sonu- of this perhaps in interviews with the judge 
^ui'tnni — Belli we can discount of course — but is there not something 
Jo (ic snid in this case for the haiulling of the press and the public by 
th'^ individuals involved — the police chief, district attorney, the judge 
j;! i so on? Is thire anythis'.j; to be said on this side? 

"Ir. M( Knight: I made myself a promise and I will attempt to keep 
it. I ilid read this piece, and I don't remember all of it now, of course. 
But I would like to confine any remarks 1 have to the press aspect of 
ti.ii-' sti>ry and not to the problems of my study. 

1 come here, I suppose, wit'i a certain amount of sin and guilt, as 
any other i>erson docs in the room. We are not pure. A<lmittedly we 
i'!:!i!i- many mistakes, but 1 would prefer not to debate them unless you 
have si)ecific points in any areas. 

Mk. Bl.\< k: I'erhaps Captain King could comment on that as far 
as the police are concerned. 

('.viT.MN King: I think it probably would be improper for me to 
t<.iiiiiii-nt on il even before the other members of the panel. As a mem- 
ber of uu oilicial organization of the city of Dallas, the comments that 
he made were to a large extent, or did to a large extent, concern my 
(lepail iiienl. 1 -am likely to be biased in my viewpoint. 

Mh. Bi-ACK: Mr. Ilill, would you care to comment on il? 
i slio Id say, which 1 didn't in my introduction, that Mr. Hill is not 
from Dallas but from Fort Worth. You must take this into account 
oil aiiylliing he says about Dallas.- 

Mr. Hill: As an active member and committeeman of the Fort 
Worth Chand)er of Commerce, one week after the CAB Examiner held 
against us on the regional airpjorl, I might be a little prejudiced in my 
.einarks. But I am inlercsled in what the j;entlemaii was saying about 
the city of Dallas not being c()sino|)olitan. Uvor in Fort Worth, where 
we wear shirt sleeves to the Fort Worth Ciub, we consider Dallas as 
sort of an Eastern city. The lawyers when lliey have parties over there, 
lliey wear tuxes; we don't. 

I had some remarks which I was going to make about the city of 
Dallas and deleted them. But Fll say this, as a citizen of Fori Worth 
and living nearby, we furnished Le-e Oswald to Dallas. We got him 
secondhand though from New York — but it could have happened any- 
where, as the man from San Francisco said. J will say this, I do not 
know of any city in America which is more intelligenl, more .cidtured 
and with finer solid citizenry than the city of Dallas. 




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FOUKTEEX. 



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I would like to address 

(rlliiij: \i'. mill ('I'lliliK riclil up I 



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li_;44U4;.-:. r-fi-t jUfc ii ti o ft T- 

Mk. \Viixi.\m Hill. Washington Star: 
question to Captain Kinj;. 

Vou klunv »lu-u :. viT.-.k.T Kr,|, 
tlu- i-Jcr of (lu- llunK^ I"- •■■"'I -.'.V. '".V cur...-..l.v wniils lo .s.-.' I...W close 
I v;in tJvt to «lure lie .stop.s talking. Captain King, 1 don't know wliclher 
\,ni read a ni.igazine called "Connnentary." But there are constantly 
.irli.'.es and rumors coming out that we don't really know the story of 
November i-i. "Commentary" has carried the most detailed account. I 
am going to ask you a question. If the answer is "yes," that is all I want 
to know. 

Is there anything, that gives you reason to have doubt about these 
events of November 22? 

Captain King: You didn't reach that point with this one fell 
swoop, but I will take a stab at it. 

There have been so many things reported, in the press that if I say 
"yes, the things that have been reported in the press are true," then I 
am saying all sorts of things that contradict each other are i)robably 
true or that we believe them to be true. 

The things that have been generally published, the things that have 
been given the widest distribution, the things that are generally, I think, 
throughout the United States held to be true are, I believe, tfue. I don't 
really expect anything of a startling nature to come forward. 

Mr. William Hill: Well, for instance in this particular article to 
which I have reference, it was implied that it is not known for sure that 
Oswald did kill Tippit. 

Captain King: The way you can become legally sure of anything 
is to have a trial. There was not a trial here and, very obviously and 
very unfortunately, there can't be one. So there will forever be this 
absence of legal determination. In my opinion, the only absence of 
determination is a legal one. 

Mr. Willi.^m Hill: Well, for instance, at the time that the descrip- 
tions were picked up, whoever it was that did kill Tippit — I am being 
the devil's spokesman now — the article indicated a description of the 
man who did kill Tippit tlid not match Osw;dd's. 

Captain King: It didn't match in all details but it matched up verj' 
closely. The height might be a little bit oil. But a doscri]>tion is not an 
exact thing and, in my opinion, based on my experience as a police 
ofRcer, this was not a description that was at all out of line. We get 
eye-witness descriptions in all kinds of offenses that arc inaccurate in 
certain details. The description that I heard broadcast was not far from 
the truth. 

Mr. McKnight: May I rescue the Cai)tain on one point, knowing 
the restrictions around. There are two points I think, should be made. 

First of all, all of you will recall that Oswald went home and changed 
,clothing after the assassination of the President and before the murder 
of Officer Tippit. 

Number two, probably Captain King couldn't say this, but I think 
there are witnesses to the Tippit shooting. I don't know whether "Com- 
mentary" mentioned this. 
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a.fS^i^.^C'Ou 



Mr. RoBi;RT W. Lucas, Hartford Times: Captain, you said you were 
not at liberty to say how Jluby got into the basement. Later you said 
that the pressure of the newsmen made it^iOwUiieMor hnii to get mto 
the basement. Then you also said that something happened at one of 
the locations where you apparently had guards. Can you tell us any- 
thing more about that? 

Captain Kino: I don't recall having said the pressure of the news- 
men made it possible for him to get into the location. I said sor.Kthing 
had occurred that distracted the attention of one of the officers on his 
tasi^ned position and made it possible. 

I ron't octu-iUy go anv further on it. I am Hfraid. than I alrrad>-, 

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newimcli, Uiis-is nicorrtcl.^ uuiiv-l— ,ani-lliat-lie-ivxi»-,uuu-Ui--u_uiuiii ^ 

.have gone. If I did say, or if I gave you the impression that he came 
into the basement or he was able to enter the basement because of the 
newsmen, this is incorrect. I think I said that he wa^s able to remain 



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King Exhibit No. 4 — Continued 



459 



/there long enough to do what he did because he was able to mix with 
/ newsmen iaiDOwe didn't recognize. Certainly if the newsmen had not beer. 
.' there,. iC.the basement had been occupied only by police officers with 



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itr»>invn-we_«li<lii4— rf<.<'>;iiizf .A «-no...... " ' ' -v . ,'... • , '., , ' . .. ,;• ■ /• • 

V^thf rf . if the basement had bt-oii Dccupuil-oiily by poUc-f (>|■llc■cl.^'^^■.V./'-^;••^'i^'-V^..'<,^•.;v.^;, .•;, 
whom we were personally acquainted, then Ruby couldn't have stayed 
jl^r-'O'*^^' — tHereTorTg a;Vr>:^g-lTtr But I didn't mean to imply that he came in through 
the efforts of the newsmen. 

As a matter of fact, I can say this additional thing. There has been 
speculation that he came in through collusion with a i.ulice ofTucr. There 
has been speculation that he came in through collusion with newsmen y^ 

or a newsman. The facts as we believe them to e.\ist indicate that this ,'^ 

is not true, that there was not collusion with either a police officer or ,' / 

with a newsman. 

Mr. Hemiy Schulte, Savannah News-Press: We have spent the 
morning chastizing ourselves because of a potential miscarriage of jus- 
tice, but I think what we are all overlooking is the fart that this was 
the story of the century and that people like us, editors all over the 
country and the world, wanted everything they could got out of Dallas. 
I for one wanted everything. 

Now in view of this, and with this in mind, I'd like to ask Mr. Mc- 
Knight, as a newspaperman who was on the scene, if you had this to do 
over again, how might you have done it differently antl still perform 
your mission as a newspaperman? 

Mr. McKmcht: It is a good question, and I agree with what you 
say. I would not change a thing. I didn't have time to change anything. 
I had four hours and a half that afternoon to get out three editions. 

We are not challenging what was written, and that is the reason I 
prefer to stay out of that area. I am only challenging the manner of 
coverage. That is our problem more than what was written. 

Yes, I think you were entitled to every shred of information out of 
Dallas, and we certainly attenii)ted to give it to you from the local 
sources. I only raised the question for the future — what do we do with 
this problem of "the regiments," as I believe Herb Brucker termed it? 
It is a problem of coverage, not what is written. I would not challenge 
one line of copy that went out of Dallas or I wouldn't change it if we 
had to do it over again. 

^|n TKi Af-T.-- A lief -rou-ctinii frnyn Al Fripnilly^ 

Mr. Alkked Frik.ndly, Wa.shington Post: I would like to direct this 
question to Captain King. 

You say at one point that you examined the credentials of the press 
in the police station at the time of the Oswald transfer. We, on the other 
hand, heard this was vcyy perfunctory. 'I'hcre is one story that a fel- 
low went into the basement, and did not have proi)cr creilentials. They 
invited him in merely on the say-so of another man who identified him. 
The other man had never seen tin- jxilicc olTlcer before. My question is 
are you satisfied tnat inspection of the credentials of the press was sys- 
tematic and exacting? 

Cai'tain King: I think really to answer liiis properly you have to 
take into consideration the conditions and circumstances. If we had 
had time to set up a system wlureiiy we established [Kjsitive idcntifica- . "' ' 
tion for the iu;wsmen, this probably wouldn't have been adequate, -'"i ' v^- ^ 

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15— ASNE— 23173— KS 

Newsmen came into the city of Dallas who had no idcatificntion locally. 

Obviously, for many of them, it was the first time they had ever 
been in Dallas in their lives. So they arc not going to have local identi- 
fication and they are not known personally to us. Many of them came 
in whom we were able to identify and who didn't have any identifica- 
tion with them. They had come down and had left it in their hotel, 
something like this. 

It has been our experience in the past that the newsmen are the 
best allies you can have in keeping merely interested bystanders away 
from the scene of a police incident. At the scenes of our automobile 
accidents, at scenes of burglaries and robberies and all of these offenses, 
if a newsman comes up to one of our officers whom he does not know 
and the officer doesn't know him and the newsman does not have his 
identification with him, we tell the officers to check with other news- 
men. If the other newsmen present arc willing to identify him and are 
willing to verify the fact that he is a newsman, then he is admitted. 
We feel newsmen don't want outsiders in. 

This did occur probably. So far as a positive identification of the 
newsmen, no, we didn't, we couldn't, I think. We did check credentials 
on them and we did, I think, use reasonable methods. 

Mr. Black: Is Jack Kruegcr still with us? 
CNo rofiponne-V 

A Member: He slipped out a few minutes ago. 

Mr. Black: I wanted to ask him if he wanted to participate in this 
program. He had chosen to let Felix represent the Dallas press, but I 
did want to give him the opportunity to make any comments that he 
had. 

I want to thank the members of our panel for a very stimulating 
discussion. 

--^^REEDOM AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRESS 
\ An Address by The Honor adle Arthur J. GoLDnERC, 
^Associate Justice, Supreme Court of the UNiTf;D States 

Mr.^Iiles H. Wolff, Greensboro Daily News, presiding: When 
I was asked to introduce Justice Arthur Goldberg, I had every intention 
of sticking to truly biographical data. \ 

I was going to tell you that he was horn in Chicago, attended 
public schools there and wound up receiving his B.S. and Doctor of 
Jurisprudence degrees from Xorthwestern. 

I had intended >o tell you, further, that he practiced law in Chicago 
and gradually moved^'into the labor union field to the exclusion of other 
work. He became General C<iunscl for the CIO, General Counsel for 
the United Steel WorkerSvof Ann'rica and then Special Counsel for the 
AFL-CIO. \ 

As you can see, he was ton man in his field. 

All of these legal jobs, aiuKtliey were good ones, too, came to an 
end in 1961 when President KcOiicily ai>i)ointed him to the high post 
-of Secretary of Labor. _ \ 

The President did not leave him^Jlurc long. In" 1962, he asked the 
Secretary of Labor to move on to Ihl Supreme Court as As.sociate 
Justice. 'VS. 

At this point I could have stopped, H^a unfortunately, I started 
reading the clips on our speaker. They weru. fascinating, and I felt 
constrained to pass a few choice items on to you. \^ 

For example. Time Magazine had this to report\Goldbcrg gradu.ited 
from high school at 15 and enterei) upon a triple-tiniKexistcnce. Morn- 
ings he went to junior college; afternoons he attended DePaul Univer- 
sity and nights he held down a post office joli. As a tired-e\;eil eighteen- 
year-old, he was admitted to law s(h(i<il at Norths estern\l'niversity 
but only after proving, with .some difficiitl.\. that his two college tran- 
scripts represented the work of only one person. 

Time also reported that when his c^iiMicii were growinc upNjie 
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ijisl iiMi occasion, lln Kuls pukilnl llio iRiiise with siiins lliut ri'ad 



King Exhibit No. 



-Continued 



-731 O— 64— vol. XX 31 



461 



Glen D. King Exhibit f^ 

Gentletaen, 1 ara grateful for the opportunity to tell you in brief ^ 

de' iil some of the problems faced by the Dallas Police Departracnt, before, ^ 

at the tine of and subsequent to the assassination of President John P, -j- ] 



Kennedy. Because of the nagnitude of the criwc it is difficult for ne to . < ,>^ 



know exactly what to include and what to orait. In approxinately fifteen '^^ ■■ 
minutes I must try to summarize the days of preparation of the President's .x*^ 
visit to Dallas, and the weeks of investigation followin^j his assassination'^ 
there. « "-■ 

% remarks are necessarily going to be to a certain extent incoherent./". 

An account of all that has occurred would take hours rather than the few /• ,., 

'' "^> 

minutes I have. My task is primarily one of selection and I apologiza to -* , 
you in advance if i fail to address points in which you are particularly ? ^ 
interested. ^ 

Another thing 1 must explain at the outset - investigations into the 
circumstances surrounding the assassination continue. While we have no 
indication of exactly when they will be completed we confidently expect 
that everything that can be learned will be learned and will eventually 
be made public knowledge. At the present time certain information in 
possession of investigative agencies has not been released. It has been 
indicated to the Dallas Police Department that the Warren Commission, 
studying the assassination, would prefer that no comments be made regarding 
certain evidence accumulated against Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. So, 
to a degree I am here under limitations. Certain things I am not permitted 
to discuss. I must honor the limitations placed upon me. At times I might 
seem inconsistent to you, for I may discuss parts of a question and must 
decline comraent on other parts. Perhaps I might err in my appraisal of 

King Exhibit No. 5 



462 



what is proper for discussion and what is not. I have to be the one who 
decides how far I go, I do proraise you this - I will not fail to answer 
any question you pose because of a desire to be evasive. I will not refrain 
frora answering merely because I think ny answer will not reflect favorably 
on rac or ny Department. If I fail to field one of your questions because 
I think it is too hot to handle 1 will very frankly tell you so. 

The activities of the Dallas Police Department, so fax as this subject 
is concerned, fall into rather clearly definable categories. One is our 
preparation for the visit of President Kennedy to the City of Dallas on 
Novetaber 22, 1963. 

The Police Departwent first beczirac officially aware of his impending 
visit on November 13, nine days prior to his arrival. Of course, we knew 
from newspaper accounts in advance of this date tliat he was coming. It was, 
however, on V.'ednesday, November 13, that we first iset v/ith members of the 
Secret Service to receive authoritative notification that the President 
would visit Dallas. From that tine until November 22 there were at least 
daily conferences and on most days several conferences were held. 

I night point out here that at that tine the position of the Dallas 
Police Department was purely supportive. Tlie Air Force had primary 
responsibility for seeing that the President arrived ih Dallas safely, 
and the Secret Service had primary responsibility for his continued safety 
after his arrival. It was the responsibility of the Police Department to 
assist the Secret Service in any manner possible. 

Our plans for security called for attention to three specific locations - 
first, the airport at which the President would de pliuie; second, the route 
his motorcade would follow to the Trade Mart, the location at which he was 



\ 



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King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



463 



to speak, and; third, at the Trade Mart itself. 

To provide as £;rcat a decree of safety as possible a Deputy Chief and 
fifty-four raenbcrs of the Pallas Police Dcpartnient v/cre at Dallas Love 
Field when the President's plane arrived. They assisted in crowd control 
i\t that location and did those tilings necessary to insure that the President's 
Kotorcade left the airport on tine. 

An additional 178 men were assigned to the parade route. As a part of 
the planning process raeiiibers of the Police Department and representatives 
of the Secret Service traveled over the parade route and decided at what 
locations officers v/ould be needed. At tlie request of the Secret Service 
we assigned an officer at each signalized intersection through which the 
motorcade would pass. Additionally, we assigned from two to four men at 
eacli intersection where a turn would be made, because of the belief tliat 
at these locations the crowd would be heaviest. We assigned men to all 
locations where the motorcade would pass under a bridge or railroad trestle. 
Without being asked to do so we assigned plain-clotJies detectives and 
uniform officers to patrol blocks where the crowds were expected to be the 
heaviest, . " ■ 

At the Trade Mart we assigned 63 men to work the parking area outside 
and 150 men under the command of a Deputy Cliief to provide security inside. 

In all 447 men were used on specific assignments associated with the 
President's visit. The very great majority of these men were off-duty 
personnel* Approximately 400 off-dut^' men were brought back on duty to 
supplement the regularly assigned details. Of 1100 total strength of the 
Department nt least 350 were on duty at the time of the President's arrival. 

1 mentioned that the role of the Pallas Police Department in preparing ' 

. 3 

King Exhibit No. 5 — ContiiuiP'^' 



464 



for the visit of the President v;as a supportive one. In the few seconds' 
it tool; to fire the shots that took the President's life the role of the 
nepartruent chanced from one of support to one of primary jrcsponsibility 
for tha invcotication of his death. 

At the location of the assassination investigators were able to quickly 
determine that an employee had been at uvirk prior to the assassination, but 
was raissinn; after the offense. A description of this nan was secured and 
was broadcast on the police radio. The description was "A slender white 
male, about 30 years of age, about 5' 10" tall, weighing about 165 pounds, 
carrying what looked like a 30-30 rifle or sorae type V>'inchester." 

At 1;18 p.ra, a citizen cane on the police radio, to report that an 
Officer had been shot in the 400 block of east 10th street, approxinate.ly 
2 miles from the scene of the assassination of the President. 

Later investigation revealed that Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippit 
had approached a man subsequently identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, and had 
been killed by Oswald, Since both Officer Tippit and Oswald arc now dead, 
v/e can only speculate on wliat probably happened at the scene of the Officer's 
death. 

Officer Tippit was driving his squad car east on Tenth Street, when 
he observed Oswald walking west on tlie south side of the street. The 
Officer pulled alongside Oswald, and talked to hira briefly across the front 
seat of the police car. The Officer then got out of the car and walked 
around to the front of it. When he reached the front of the car Oswald 
opened fire. His three shots struck Officer Tippit in the temple, the 
forehead and the chest. Any of the three would probably have been fatal. 
Oswald fled the scene on foot, and a short time later the Dcpartnwjnt received 



4 

King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



465 



information that he had entered a theatre in the 200 block of West Jefferson, 
seven blocks from tlic scene of the Officer's death. Policcracn converged on 
the theatre, and a searcii was bcgiin. Officer M. N. McDonald approached a 
man later identified as Oswald in the contor section of tho thoatco, thrao 
rows fron the back. As he approached, Oswald said, "This is it," and 
attempted to draw a gun. Officer McDonald grappled with him, disarmed hira 
and placed hin under arrest. He was ironediateiy taken to the Central Police 
Station for interrogation by rccmbers of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau. 
He arrived at Police Headquarters approximately an hour and ten minutes 
after he killed the President. 

Vuien Oswald arrived at the police station it was already cro-^ed with 
newsmen. They had begun to arrive within minutes of the assassination, 
and within an hour the hallways resembled the scenes you saw on your 
televisions and in your newspapers. From that time until many hours after 
the murder of Oswald tlie hallways were congested by newsmen. 

We have been severely criticized by a great number of people for 
permitting newsmen to remain in the hallways of police headquarters. Perhaps 
this criticism is justified. At that time v;e felt a necessity for permitting 
r' the newsmen as much latitude as possible. V/c realized the magnitude of the 
\ incident the newsmen were there to cover, V/e realized that not only the 
nation but the world would be greatly interested in what occurred in Dallas. 
We believed that we had an obligation xo niake as v/idely known as possible 
everything we could regarding the investigation of the assassination and 
the manner in wliich ve undertook that investigation. i 

We realized that if we hid the most important prisoner of the century 
from the public eye, accusations would be made that he actually did not ^, 



f 



5 

King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



466 



co.-Mit the offense with which he was charged and that we had fabricated 
a suspect. 

VVe realized that improper investigation procedures could be charged 
against us. As a matter of fact, even with the openness v;ith which we 
uptoroachod tho inveatics^tion we heard murmur a in thla vain. \a short tine 
after Oswald's arrest one newsman held up a photograph and said, 'Tlhis is 
v/hat the nan charged with the assassination of the President looks like. 
Or at least this is what he did look like. \ie don't know what he looks 
like after an hour in the custody of the Dallas Police Department." 

I believe that what was a whisper would have been a deafening roar 
of protest had we failed to make available to the public all possible 
information concerning our investigation. Many persons who criticized 
us for permitting newsmen to remain at the scene have admitted that they 
lived in front of their television sets with their newspapers in their 
hands. We were, I am sure, in a position of being "Damned if we did and 
damned if we didn't.** 

' V.'e have been further criticized for announcing to the press the time 
of tlie anticipated transfer of Oswald. Without in any way attempting to . 
evade responsibility for any action which we took, let me briefly explain 
how the statement of a 10 o'clock transfer came about. 

On Saturday night some of the newsmen, who had been at the station 
constantly since shortly after the assassination, approached our Assistant 
Chief and asked if they would have time to get soraething to eat before 
Oswald was transferred. They were told that if they were back by 10 o'clock 
the next morning, they would be in time for the transfer. This statement 
did indicate to the newsmen our intention to transfer Oswald sometime after 



6 

King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



V 



467 



10:00 a.n. Sunday ind it did indicate our | intention to permit thera to be 
present when the transfer was made. VJe didn't know exactly at v;hat tine 

we could effect the transfer. V.'e were sure it would not be prior to 

""1 ■ , 
10 o' clock.. j 

V/c l;avc been oskcd why we did not transfer hin under cover of darkncoa 

when the police station and the streets were empty. In the first place, 

visibility at nipht is greatly reduced and we felt that we needed as great 

a degree of visibility as possible to provide as great a degree of security 

as possible. We felt that darkness would work against us and v;ould serve 

as an ally to anyone who might choose to attack from that darkness. 

I Also, so far as the crowd at the City Hall was concerned there was 

little difference between 3:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. At no hour were the 

hallways clears I am sure that if we had waited a week to make the 

transfer there would have still been a large number of newsmen in the 

police station around the clock. 

Again, this is not an attempt on my part to evade responsibility. 

Obviously, the newsmen were in the police station because we permitted 

them to be there. They were exercising a privilege we gave thera^ 

' The attempted transfer of Oswald to the County Jail was not 

accompanied by the lackadaisical attitude with v;hich we I;ave been 

frequently charged. We took far greater precautions than we believed 

to be necessary. Prior to the transfer members of our Department went 

into the basement and required everyone there to leave. With flashlight^ 

they then searched every nook and cranny where anyone might hide. They 

searched every automobile there to be sure that no one had concealed 

himself, even opening the trunks to make sure that they were not occupied. 



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King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



468 



Man were s-fcationed on every stainvay , every elevator, eveiy ranp and 

every doorway leading to the parking area. Then -^'j newsmen were permitted 

to cone back into the parking area after their credentials had been checked. 

I am not permitted to say how Jack Ruby gained entrance into the 
police bascr;cnt. Wc arc convinced wc know exactly how it waa done, but Z 
have been asked not to coruncnt on it, I will say that it v;as a momentary 
breakdown of security at one specific location and th^t Ruby did not gain 
entrance by collusion either with a newsman or a policeman, both of which 
possibilities have been frequently voiced. 

' There is no question that the presence of a large number of news 
media representatives in the basement made it possible for Kuby to enter 
and murder Oswald. Again, tliis is not an attempt on ray part to place 
responsibility on the shoulders of the press. The newsmen were in the 
basement because we permitted them to be thcre._^ 

I realize that rry remarks have ignored entire areas and that I have 
touched very lightly upon many points I have attempted to cover. At the 
proper time I sliall be liappy to try to answer any questions you might 
hove that come v/ithin the limitations imposed upon me. 



8 

King Exhibit No. 5 — Continued 



469 



FD-302 (R«v. 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUR^A'J OF INVESVIG ' T|ON 

1 

Date Dec. 10, 1963 

Mr. ABRAI-TA'^i KLEINI-IAj>I„ 1189 Templemore Drive, Apartment 
B, telephone DA 1-3927, was intzerviewed at his place of business. 
Union Fidelity Building, Room 1104, 1511 Bryan Street, at which 
time he advised he is self-employed as a .Certified Public 
Accountant and has resided in the Dallas area for the past 
59 years o 

He stated he first met JACK RUBY around 1952 and has 
knoTiiTn hira on a casual basis for at least 10 years. KLEIKIIAN 
was unable to recall the. exact circumstances surrounding their 
acquaintance, but stated he has been in the Dallas area for 
a long time and is acquainted with moat of the busitessmen 
in this area. He related th.it his association with RUBY was 
more or less a business acqiwlntance rather than a social 
acquaintance and explained this by saying that he had never 
been \dLth RUBY on any social excursions; however, has done 
a certain amount of accounting busiiie.ss for RUBY in connection 
with ruby's night clubs. Carousel and Vegas Clubs, both 
of wtibh he described as being local night spots in Dallas. 

KLEINMAN stated RUBY first contacted him back in 
1956 and requested some accounting work in connection with 
the Carousel Club. He could recall doing very little accounting 
work for RUBY at that particular time and related he has h^d no 
other busirsss connections with RUBY until this past year. 
It V7as sometime in October of 1962 that RUBY contacted him 
again and requested that he handle the accounts for both the 
Carousel and the Vegas Clubs. In connection with this, Mr. 
KLEINl'IAN stated he h-^s prepared and filed the tax returns 
for the Carousel Club but ha.s been unable to prepare the Vegas 
Club account to present. Ke vyent on to say tnat he had considerablei 
difficulty with the records of the Carousel Club and explained 
this by saying that RUBY m^aintained very few records and as 
a general rule, hisd carried the business on a cash basis. 

In regard to RUBY°s business » KLEINMAN advised all 
the records* pertaining to both the' Carousel and Vegas Clubs 
are presently in the hands of Mr. BOB KLEIN of the Internal 
Revenue Service, located in Dallas, Texas. He added that the 



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on Vllll^Z ot Dallas, Texas File # DL 44-1639 

LANSING P. LOGAN h 
by Special Agon.s ALTON E. BRAMBLETT/csh ^^^^ ,.^,^,^, 12/10/63 

This document contains neither recommendations nor conclu^- ' ■ '■ '— s-'----''^r»j ^'A-t<vJVt-_x'.-oa*-tty_r'iU.*^*^'^".I r^.ri'l^tn.,! caned to 

your agency; II and Its contents arc not to be distributed n-* " " , i, n '^ 

Kliinman, Abraham Exhibit 1 "^ 

Kleinman Exhibit No. 1 



470 



DL 44- 163 ^' 



records should be returned within a v;eek or so and if desired, 
he would make them available to the FBI at this time. He 
stated the records revealed all employees of both the Carousel 
and Vegas Clubs, but that the records containing these names 
were also turned over to the Internal Revenue Service, Dallas. 

In regard to RUBY's background, Mr. KLEINMAN stated 
his acquaintance was a casual one and knev; of nothing specific 
concerning RUBY's political convictions, his personal character 
or personal desires. He added that the only individual who 
ppeared to be close to RUBY v;as an individual by the name of 
RALPH PAUL, who, according to RUBY, was the President of the 
Vegas Club. He further stated that JACK RUBY had told him that 
EARL RUBY was the Vice-President and JACK RUBY was the 
Secretary-Treasurer of the Vegas Club. 

Mr. KLEINMAN further added that JACK RUBY appeared 
to be an emotional person but explained that RUBY v/as always 
courteous in connection with their business dealings. He could 
recall one specific incident concerning the emotional and sensi- 
tivity of RUBY which occurred sometime, he believed, on November 
23, 1963. Sometime that day, exact time he could not recall, 
Mr. KLEINMAN saw RUBY for a very brief time in the Sols Turf 
Bar and could recall RUBY having some report or a pamphlet 
concerning "Impeachment of Earl Warreno" He advised he could 
not recall the specific conversation that took place between 
nimand RUBY, but he gained the impression that RUBY was pretty 
much aggravated concerning the pamphlet. He could not recall 
discussing the assassination of President KENNEDY with RL^Y at 
this time, but stated the conversation may have been associated 
in some way with the assassination. He was unable to relate 
any other information pertaining to this particular conversation 
that had taken place between him and RUBY on that day. 

Mr. KLEINMAN further stated he has ne\^ discussed 
any political aspects with RU'BY that he could recall and 
v/as under the impression that RUBY was not particularly con- 
cerned over the political 'views of the country. He was unable 
to furnish any information as to why RUBY hacf shot LEE HARVEY 
OSWALD on November 24, 1963. 



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KLEINMAN Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



471 



DL 44-1639 



In regard to any relationship between JACK RUBY and 
OSWALD, Mr. KLEINKAN advised he had never heard the name LEE 
KARVEY OSWALD prior to the assassination of President KENNEDY 
and could not recall ever hearing the name. He further 
added that to the best of his knowledge, JACK RUBY had never 
mentioned the name of OSWALD in his company. 

Mr. KLEINMAN advised RUBY has paid him for most of the 
accounting work that he has done. He stated he received 
checks from RUBY drawn on, the Vegas Club account and had received 
cash payments for any accounting in connection with the Carousel 
Club. 



1 



Kleinman Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



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472 



FD.302 (R.v. 3-j-5«) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

11-29-63 



Date ___ ' — 

— RUSSELL LEE MOORE, Aka . , Russ Knight, the man with 
the "weird beard", disc Jockey, KLIF Radio Station, Dallas, 
Texas, residence 2715 Barnes Bridge Road, telephone DA 10467# 
advised that he has been acquainted with JACK RUBY for a year 
and a half in coruUectlon with the handling of RUBY' s radio 
advertising of the Carousel Club. He stated he does not ., , 
know I^JBY and knows of no associates other than GEORGE SENATOR, 
whom he met on one occasion and presumes he woi^ks with 

.Tu'BY at the Carousel Club, ■ . 

■} 

MOORE stated he was on duty on the late evening 
of November 22, 1963 and early morning hours of November 23, 
1963, at the radio station KLIP and GLEN DUNCAN told him he 
received a telephone call from JACK RUBY who asked him if 
he was interested in an Interview withr District Attorney 
■J.i3:NRY WADE and Indicated that he was calling from the Police ■'' 
D>5partment ahd would endeavor to locate WADE for DuNCAN. MOORE 
stated that he immedia-tely departed for the Police Department 
in an effort to contact HENRY WADE and upon arrival to the 
Police Department,, learned ^that WADE had already made a 
statement to the- press and 'had supposedly left. MOORE stated that 
RUBY walked up to him In the Police Department and told him 
WADE was in the basement of the Police, Department and directed him 
to WADE. MOORE statedhe talked to WADE momentarily and when 
he got through, RUBY was gone. He stated that he returned to 
the ra<^lo station at approximately 1^45 a.m., November 23, 1963* and 
RUBY was there and had brougiit sandwiches and soft drinks to 
the station. He stated he does not recall specifically what 
PJJBY had to say, bi& recalls he was grieving for the KENNEDY 
^family. He stated ha recallsi that RUBY handed hinr a speech and 
said, "read this and see what you think about it." He stated 
he still has this speech which is dated June I9, I963, put oyt 
by "Life Line", by H. L. HUjri, entitled, ."Heroism." 

MOORE said that this was the last time he saw 
RUBY and that- he has no information concerratng the whereabouts 
of RUBY at the time of -fhe assassination of the President and knCws 
nothing about any trips RU^Y has mape .out of the city of 
Dallas. 






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ALFRED D, PEIJEY& J, 
by Speciol Agent ctbuM RtCJ^ m^ ■ : . Date dictoUt-29'63 _ 

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your ooencr; II and Ite eontente are copy! be dlelrlbuted outalde your agencr. copy /i O , / » ''"' 

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Knight Exhibit No. 1 



473 




Kramer Exhibit No. 1 



474 




Kramer Exhibit No. 2 



475 



FO.Joa (ii.T..ji^.».) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGAT(ON 

1 

"* "- - n»t« November 29, 19^3 



HERBERT B. KRAVITZ, 4039 Cole Avenue, advised h« l8 
a salesman for Supada Cravats Neck Wear Company; that he 
has lived In Dallas, Texas, for one and a half years. 

KRAVITZ advised that he flust met JACK RUBY when he . - 
and a 'friend, EARL BARKER, a' musician, were at a Chinese 
restaurant In Dallas called Yee's. He said RUBY Introduced 
himself to them as RUBY had seen BARKER playing at, a club' 
earlier In the evening. RUBY' Invited them to come to. his 
club (Carousel Club), which they did the following eV'enlng. 
RUBY ''picked up the tab" for all of their expenses at^^hd 
Carousel Club during that evening. After the club closed, 
they went to a restaurant where they talked until about 
4:00 or 5:00 a.m. KRAVITZ said RUBY told them his life's 
story, 'which story was the same as recently set forth In the 
newspapers. » 

KRAVITZ advised he went back to the Carousel ,■ ,_^'^ 
Club on two later occasions, the last of which was on November " •' ^^ 
20, 1963. He was with a date, ELAINE ROGERS, and recalled that ^ 
he won a stuffed cat at the drawing for the door prize at j ^" 
the club. He said he did not particularly want to go ; i' 
.to the club on that date as RUBY had earlier asked him to ■ « 
attend Jewish church services with him, and he had declined. ' ^ 
However, he went to the club as Miss ROQEPIS wanted to see . S 
a friend of hers who was dancing at the club. / 3- 

„■ td 

KRAVITZ advised he never discussed any political , * 

beliefs with RUBY and had no real close association with > ^ 

him. He advised, that from his knowledge of RUBY he did ' g- 

not believe RUBY to b6 a "homosexual." ' ^ 



KRAVITZ advised he has Tie ver "been arrested; 

that he is 23 years of age; th^t he has^eyer been married. 










on 11/27/63 „♦ Dallas. Texas Pi,. ^ PL 44-1639 

JOSEPH Q. PEGGS & 
by Sp.eiol Afl>nB AT.VTN .T. ZTMMERMAN/p.ah Dot* dictated 11/28/6^ 

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KRAVITZ Exhibit No. 1 



476 



X. 



jKx.No.5106 KRISS^H.U. Deposition_ 

Dallas 3-26-6.; 

OL 44-1639/eah 

"November 26. 1963 

"Mr. J. E. Curry 
"Chief of Police 

"Sir: 

'On Sunday, November 24, at approximately 9:45 A.M., I 
arrived at the basement of the City Hall and reported to 
Captain Arnett. They had just completed searching the 
basement, I had no specific assignment. I was told to 
stand around ind keep my eyes open, to let no-one in 
the part of the basement where the cars come and leave 
unless they had a Press Card. 

'I noted every car that came into the basement was thoroughly 
searched by the regular officers. 

"At different times I walked up both ramps to observe the ^ 
crowds thdt were gathering, and talked to the officers 
standing at both entrances to the basement. 

"I was constantly bothered by reporters, asking questions 
and wanting information which I did not know. 

"1 was told rumors were that there were several threats 
going around, and that was the reason for all the security. 

"Prior to Oswald's arrival from the Jail Of lice \.e v-erc told 
to keep the Press against the railing and to keep one side 
clear, which we did. In a few minutes Oswald cams out of 
the door and had just rounded the corner. I was looking at 
his face, and in just a fraction of a second later I saw a 
blur, ray thoughts were that some reporter was attacking him 
(Oswald). 1 then heard a muffled shot, and heard someone 
say 'get the Doctor." I saw Captain Arnett grappling in 
the crowd and ran to his aid, but saw he was O.K. Then, 
heard someone holler not to let anyone out, so I ran halfway 
up the North ramp and stood there. No-one passed. 

"I did not know the subject Ruby and had never seen him to 
the best of my knowledge. 

"Respectfully, 
. , "/s/ Harry M. Kriss 

"Harry M. Kriss 

"Lieutenant 

"Dallas Police Reserve" C^ («? SiT 

Kriss Exhibit No. 5106 



477 

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ro4o2 (R.». jo-so) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION ^ ^\^^ 



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\..^^ n«t» 12/4/63 "^ 

HARRY U. ICRISS, 6906 IlerriloQ Lano, Dallas, Tosas, <" \^ 
vzc intervioued at tho offico of tho Federal Bureau of ^0" 

Investisation, Dallas. Eo was advised that ho v;a3 not re- ^ 

quired to raako a statez".cnt; that any statement "ho v;ould aako "^ 

might bo used against hin in a court of law; and that he had ^ / ^ 

the right to legal counsel bojfore making a statement. ' V ^ 



\> 




ISr. KRISS advised that he is a reserve officer of 
the Dallas, Texas, Police Departaent, having the rank of 
Lieutenant. He is employed by tho Sweet Manufactiiring Com- r 
pany, 1100 Commerce Street, Dallas. -* C^ 

KRISS stated that on Kovenber 24, 1963, at 9:45 AU,^ 
ho received a call from Lieutenant IZcGOY of the Dallas Police 
Department requesting him to report to duty immediately to 
assist in working tit^fic in the general area of the driveway 
loading to the parking area of -iae basement of the City Hall, 
Ee put on his uaiiZorni and reported to the basement of the 
City Eall at about 10:00 ALI. Y.'hen he arrived there., he no- 
ticed that the basement area at the intersection of the ramps 
and corridor leading from the jail office to the raaps was 
full of people, mostly newsprper men. The remaining individ- 
uals appeared to be all _.^jl_wO officers, either regular or 
reservists.' About r.u hour later, he recalls that there must 
have beon nearly a hundred individuals in the area, mostly 
newsmen. Ee could not identify any newsmen and recrJls that 
other than himself, ho recognized police officers present as 
Captains ARNETT, JONES, and KING; and Sergeants D3AN, PUTNAU, 
aiid TROY. He does not recall their initials or first names. 

Ee recalls that police officers made a search and 
check of the entire jail area, including all persons present 
and all vehicles parked at the parking area. He added that 
he recalls that they even checked to determine that the 
trunks of the automobiles v;ere locked. He stated that he is 
not acquainted with the particular instructions given officers 
concerning secvirity measures, but he felt that the police 
were doing their utmost to determine that all individuals 
present were either police officers or members of the pi'ess, 
and to make sure that no unauthorized individuals entered. 
He stated th£it he does not know of any unauthorized persons 
that may have been permitted to enter the area. 



« 



.NO.PJ.U/ KRISS,H.M. Deposition 

Dallas 3-26-64 

12/3/63 Dallas, Texas **« 44-1639 



Filoifi! 



P.CBEST J. WILKISON and 
by Special Ao.n^ s y^D^'Om) C. PAEDIN lip p^^. jj^^^^d 12/4/63 

Thta document coatalna naitber neomiiMndatloiis nor conelnalona o( tho FBI. It U tho proporty of tho FBI and in loanod to 
rour ogoncy; It and iU conlonu ara net la bo dtatiltoolod outaida yoor aganoy. 

Kbiss Exhibit No. 5107 



478 



DL ^4-1639 



V.'Iicn he arrived in tho br.cci'nGr-t, ho ctc/cloricC hir.:- . 
C3l'2 on tho couthwes;; corner Oa \ho Cow.jerce rc:;.p, where the 
corridor connects with this ra:?.p. The corridor led f roi?j uie 
jail office >.'oor and fron double doers v/hich led irito the 
City Hall and to elevators further on. The Kenbers of 1.3 
press were lined up alon^ the wall opposite IG?cISS, and police 
officers v;ere sca''^-ered about at various locations. IC":ISS 
stated that when OSuAlD was brought downstairs and throu2;h 
the Jail office door out iuto the corridor, he, IC?.ISS, was 
unable at first to observe OSV/ALD and the police officers es- 
corting hin, due to the fact the corner of the ra:::p obstructed 
his view. Le stated that when GSV.7iLD arrived to v;ithin tv;o 
or three steps of the spot where he was shot, he began to be 
able to observe hln and his escort, V/hen CS17ALD was shot, he 
v;as looking in the general direction of OS'.'/ALD, and, due to 
.*e bright lights of the carjeras ISlSSvras partially blinded 
and dees not recall seeing Ru3Y beginning his r-ove to approach 
CSuV-LLj, but Kiereiy saw RUBY's action as a blur and got the 
i;."iprec2ion that he v-iust have been a reporter atte::3pting to 
get closer for a shot ■... .i -j.s cancer a. lie added that he does 
not recall seeing rrj2Y in the area prior to the ti~ie he shot 
0S'.7ALD and does not know anyone with v;hom OSV/ALD may have 
spoken beforehand. 

IIRISS stated tliat he is not acquainted with RIBY 
nd never knew OSV'ALD. Ee added that he has never been e:;:- 
ployed by RUBY and lcnov;s of no other individuals who have 
been er.iployed by hira. Ee added that he does not know of any 
possible relationship which aay have existed between RiBY and 
OSV.'ALD. 





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Kriss Exhibit No. 5107 — Continued 



479 



MAIN ST. 




Kbiss Exhibit No. 5108 



480 









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4f:>f7tJ- 



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^^Mt f fc/f^v-R 



-— : DO NOT W«ir£ ABOVt t*Uf It N E /y'^rf-ry- 



I I PAY AMOUNT: 

1 1 TO. >f"/?/re// 77jg 77/y> 7- 

Aaceu* 



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MKBC2-< NAMIi 



,> DiiiVcft IKE FOllOWfNG M 



vritt: TH£ MO:-<4£Y: 



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9 U<i.xa Mn« Wci» U-.« lilts'nn CiunfKoy ii {IirKlad to pay INi / 
me*«> Ofd«f M »:> nsk ta •wcA psnan ts its paying eacni be(rtv«i 
n M Uw (ton MfMii Mr^a. EXnoMl itfmtilioIisK bewj Movd 



__£x.No.5118 LANE,D.E. 
Dallas 



Deposition-\ 
3-31-64 



f'^'' >{Z{£i;^ ^- ^"^-^-^'^, 



loibrmAUOo for tesc quesdocu. 



Lane Exhibit No. 5118 



(Duplicate of original money order receipt given to Jack Ruby) 

'.963 NOV 94 AM II 17 '^ ^ 








j;5C.No.51l9 



LANE,D.r,. 
Dallas 



Lane Exhibit No. 5119 



481 







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V 




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Lawrence, Capt. P,¥. Exhibit 1 



Lawrence Exhibit No. 1 



482 






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II ^fUfiyUi^^^ 








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Lawrence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



483' 



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Lawrence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



484 



II 




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Lawrence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



485 



/2yuc<^ /^/z^iC'.^Ctts^ 




'-h- 






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Lawreince Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



486 




Laweence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



487 




Lawrence Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



488 





-. J. ". 


Curry 


f. 


..ci or 








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.r: 





itovf-nbor 21, 19 O 



Subjoott Precldont .T.P. Kr r,-,- '/'r. r. l]^o 
Visit ft Parcfla - ;,;■;: .ri<:.a, 
Ft-iday, Kover.bor 2-, ly'3 



Tho fbllCT-jing plans are submlttod for policing the parade, and ot.hor trafi'ic ar/J cscurity 
essicr.T.jfit.a. 

'iiiO' r»;an:wv.'or used to handle those asolgnr-ont^ vlll cono fro'^ the 'irsfric division ancl 
cvalliblc Police iiecervefi. All personnel to be on aosigmcnt before 10:00 A.!;., unless 
otherwise specified. 

Deputy Chief R. H. Lunday -.in Ciwr£;a of retail - 6 
Captain P, VJ. Lawrence - Assistant in Charso - 120 

Presidential Solo Escorti ^ \ 

lead Sp.t. S. 3lllE-150^ / i^""'''*" ' ^ 

-.*L. 3. Graj-156 [ //> 
•^E. D. BrcKer-137 f / 

W. G. LoriiJlcinylS? 
■XH, R. TTQsi!um-iyj> -^ 

Left Sid« B, W. H:irr;is-136 > (^.jp,: cr 'c.^.t^-O^--^ )'"> < ■■»" 

B. J. Martin- 131/ 

tH. "'. J<cl<-.in-15i; 
J,W, courson-153 

Right Side D. L. Jcckcon-13'3 A>.' ^ /'-''"• ■-^' 

J. K. Chansy,-15l/'^ 

•fC. A. Tiaysood-ll|2 

♦M. L. &ikcr-13l 

i»3.J. Dal«-161 ^^^ OF E^c.nj -'- ■ ' 

if.Jill cover Stor,monE Frcev-.v/ traffic Isr.cs '^o *h3 rer.r c." 
escort to prevent any vehicles from passing .-'rstider.tial 
party. 

Ad'/ance Dnit (Ahead of r^rado)t 



Sst. S. C. B.llah-190 I C,r,t;J^ , 
;i«^J. P.. narrick-132 T '^ i •- 

->^Q.C. KcErido-133 



uj/^.^-' ^ r ' ^v^' 



La3rirence, C^t. P.V/. Exhibit 2 






Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 



489 



fi 



jctor Pool (Trade Hart Command rost)i 

Sgt. R. L. Strlesol-130 

Ctt. '.;. C. CanpbGll-2C0 (Aftor) 

L. H. nar3hall-139 

V.J. Hay-llil 

V.R. Fsatherston-lJU (Aaer)- 

J. H. •rsylcT-'lSl (AXtor). 

Z. D. iia£-ford-159 (Uter) 

J. y_ir lHBia»-l62-(VlXtdr) 



J. 0. For.loy-27L (After) 
n. K. IUr.~in3-262 (Mtor) 
S. JcnQ»-293 (After) 
V. Prico-255 (After) 
0. L. rdr::oll-277 (Aftor) 
C. K. ?ioles-27p (After) 
C. V. Vatt-266 (After) 






•a-affic and Security Assignmonts, Trade Mart (7»00 A.;-!. a£clga.ient)i 

Sgt. V, K. Ruscoll-230 
P. N, Coopcr-(3-Hh)-2ol 
V. n. Jordan (3 Vh)-273 
E.F. >tynarclk (3 Vh)-237 
M. A. Rhoades (3 v;h)-292 
J.C. Robinson (3 Vb)-291 

I^rade Routo Traffic and Security Assicnnontst 

Lt, V. F. Soutliard - 128 



Sgt, W, A. SimpBon»250 
Sgt, B. F. Rodf:ors-220 
Sgt. D. 7. H&rknesQ-260 
Sgt, V. C. Caiapbe 11-280 



(1) Love Field to Turtls Creek 

(2) Love ?lcld to Kocidngbird b Hinea 

(1) Turtle Creek .', Cedar Sprin£;s to {larvood 

(2) Hines, In-lustrisil lo Inwcod Rd. 

(1) Main t Field to J!ou£ton & Slffl 

(2) Industrial & Hinos 

(1) K.!in-non.'ood to Field 

(2) Motor Pool, Trade ilart 



Ho-Paridng Detail! (7iOO A.M. Assignnont): 



Sgt. E. B. ;!c-.;arcl-290 
J. T. Griff in-?7? 
C. R. Hanu.lton-233 
T. A. Hutson-281i 
K.S. Standfield-261 



Asslrfnont #1 

Cccir :jprinj'3 & 
Lrlvfiyay at Lova 
aoi-J S:.atue f'-ST 

Cedar Sorinj^s k 
>fecid.ngbird 



Asaignncnt /''2 

— xm — 



All officers work 
V;cst sido Kortb- 
bound Storw.ons Ssrv. 
RA. betveon entrance 
& Industrial 



AssijjnTncnt y3 

(ouv; 
Cedar Springs & 
Drive-ftvy at Love 
Field Statue ( KAST 

Codar Swings it 
I^ookingbird 



Officer 



J. Y. Ai;':r.-2:5 0-- 


; 


H. K. Cclilns 




Vit\,£. m^iitifii-s 




c. n. •,^;iit-;u-.-257 (c- 


:•) 


J. 3. Jcn:;s 




J. :".. J-.-rain-s 




'• . ". :;-~ln3 





•4. 



Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



I 



490 



Acf if.tvnont -?! 



ABSlp 



nmnt ■f2 



ASB ^p.nr.ont ^'j 



:cklnsblrd & Issnon 



3-4«i officer work Mooklngblrd & 

Continental entrance Denton 

to Stor-ncns >wy - 

other man vork V.'ost 

eido t^'orthbound 

Stominons Sorv, Rd, 

betwoon entrano* li 

Industrial 



Officor 



X(.l 



C.H.Earr-hart-2^ (3-. ..) 
P. W. Britton 



leignton & louood 



J."' officer work Indust- 
rial Exit of Stenmons at 
Northbound Stonrnons Vvy- 
ot^or nan vork v.'est side 
Northbound Ste.-nmons Sorv, 
Rd. bet;icon entrance & 
Industrial 



Mockingbird & 
Maplo 



L.B.roilhars;,-269 (jO 



Lensnoi^ t Cotton 
Belt KR (atop 
ER oTcrpass) 



Work V/eBt side North- 
bound Stecmona Sorv. 
r.d. botucon entrance 
& industrial 



KocklriRbird i- Kines 
Sfrvlce Hd. 








leiniRon & Douglas 



If^-TTton fc OsSt LewB 
(abcve J.-r vill 
trf.r.o-iort) 



Invood !: nines 
(unrier Hineo) 



Mockingbird I- Forest 
Pai'.: Rd, 



J. K. C a l.'h<« 11-267 (J.') 
(Trsr^port officers 
below) 

w. n. B-irkcr 
3. E. Vilson 



IrxrTion ?.- Turtle 
Croek (3) 



!rurUe Creok 4 Hall 



lurtle Creok & Eowen 



Cedar Springs & Turtle 
Croek Blvd. f ?i 



iiinas I- Butlar 
Hines fi Lofland 



(1) D. 6. Kcrn-2i;5 (car) 

(2) A. i?. Gris 
(3) H.i;. toi.-or 







R. F. Calo-272 (J-) 
0. H. U;.n-.on 

0. n. ;•;-':, -- - ', ■■ 


Itotcr 
Mart 


Pool- Trade 


J.O. Fcnlcy-27ii (J' 



Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



491 



Cdar Sprinpa & Katy US. 
overpass (atop overpass) 

Cedar Sprin.oia & Falmount 
(sbovo car viU transport) 

Cedar Springs & Mapls 



Cedar Springs & Olive 
Cec'ar Springs & Harwocd (3) 

Harwood & McKinnay 

Harvood & Rossr 

Har^ood & San Jacinto 
Harwood !< Bryan 

Harvood & live Oak 

Har«cod & Pacific 

Hamood & Sin 

HaTKOOd & Kain 

Main f, St, Paul 

K-'in t- Ervay 

"ain I- Stone 
I'ain & Akerd 




. Eardin-25;9 Joii-) 



F. T. ChariCo-25.2 

Motor Pool-Trade r',art Il.K.nif;.ir^-?.o2 (jO 
J. A. Grec-.nhav 

Kotcr Pool- Trade tort 3.Jone3-2J3 (Ji) 
G.R. Spears 



RR Croflsing on 

In^iiictr-al (Hines) 
Industi^al l- Hines 



0) M.' . 

(2)- .,. ; 

(3; V.D. £...<_ ;-L 



Motor Pool- Trade Hart V. ?rico-25= (J;) 
W. A. S.r.lth 

Motor Pool-Trado Hart G.L. Purr^ 11-277 {'J ) 
2. V^f, Speir 

H. L. Cox 

Ico Hcle 
Hotor Pool-lrado lUirt C.i', Fiei/is-27> (>:) 

G.H. Hosklns 
L.>u.ddlc:ton 

Motor '<\)ol»Trade Hart C.W. Watt-266 (Jv) 
S. L. Crcrxhsu 

J. H. ILrkin;: 

H. A, in;:;on-2.;i (J ) 






SSlfi^^^ ' ' '■■ 



::. a. Oillert 



rJWs /(.;:^»^^-^ 



T. n. :::.noon 
K.J. 'Jlte 



-l- 



La WHENCE Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



492 



Main & Field 
Main & Kurphjr 
Main & Griffin 
Main St Poydras 
Main ft Lamar 
Main & Austin 
Main & Martot 
Main & Rocord 
K.I in L Houston 

Houston & E3b 



Sl-n I: RR OvcfpasB 
(both Oj'iicoro atop 
r.?. overpass - one nan 
on "ast side & one man 
on V.'tct eide) 

Ste-nons FrcOT*£y Ser?. 
lid. OTiiT.^Ai-i; (atop 
ovorpaisa) « 

"Z:? R?. Orerpacs aorocB 
Stcmons Freovay (Just 
?;orth of RLi Street - 
ono nan on South catwalk 4 
ether man on North catvalk) 

Sts-nors Oyei^xisB at 
I R-: as trial (3 Vheeler 
atop Overpass on Sast side) 



-H ftltfrr i ^nrl Ti— '" ■'-•"'; J.W. Killi!.r:3-l62 (SOL''.') ; 
R. H. Cciort;'3 

M. L. Alton 
J5r^:^>^' "- '^- rin.-:?^J (J . ) 

i J. C, Eor.-c 

Motor Pool-Trad© JIart £. D. Vcifcrd-lg? (Golc) l| 

/?,-/; MiK- 

I). L.Kcn-ijr 
.Hotojp-^^ooW&ada-MiTt J.-ii^ i^yloi— 15? -(£olo) 

C. Dyor 



Motor Po o l^TtmJ e Hart ^'j. H. .-.•-.;. j'on-i:^ (.. 



T/ctmo^ i.,/('iatc)'*n 



»U l.illl...,-. 



H.A. reiices 
A. S. Cnrricon 

D.J. !'07. 

C. ... L5-.;is 
W. H. DeniTa:^ 

V, S. Earrctt 

J. M. £nith 

S,L. £aith 

J. \\ Foster 
J. C. Vhite 



f^J. 2. ::urph7-?71 (JO 



J. A. Ij:^'-^z.x 
K. V. Ero«n 



C. E. Shankics-293 (3'') 



-5- 



Lawrence Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



44-731 O— 64— vol. XX 33 



493 



St^^rjtons Sonde* Road ft 




(Polioo Reserlra Crowd Control Mslgnnants attaohad) 

U^^aoP > /%7^ae/^«- Reapeotfully, 



U.J. Kocan 
V.S. Wilson 



77 £r. <^<£-<r 




H. '1. lunday 

Deputy Clilef of Polica 



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494 










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Lawrence Exhibit No, 2 — Continued 



495 



Novorabor 22, I963' 



Mr. J. E. Curry, 
Chief of Folic*. 



Sin 



Subjoetl ' Security Detail for 
. President Kcnneciy. 



The followiiis is a list of poroonnol from the Tliird ictrol Platoon who v.ill roport 
to the Central Station Dotail Roaa at 9«30 A.M., Friday, IJoveiibor 22, IQ65, to 
work Traffic Assignment. 



1, Culpepper, Godfrey fi. 

2. DryK, Ralph T. 

3?- — SaiJy-,— iiarTi«-&j 



4. 
5. 
6. 
7. 
8. 
9. 



Fo'jUis, li^ynond T. 
Geo, ihoaas £. 
Gentry, '..'n. F. 
Hallia, Clias. L. 
Heath, Ronald Q. 
Hunter, J. J. 



PATEOUffiri 






10. 




n. 




12. 




13. 




Ik, 




15. 




16. 




17. 




18, 



Johnston, Jaiios H. 
JcncG, Joo I). 
Kolloy, *illr..on L. 
Lan^jhara, VJm. E, 
Koore, Cui-tio 
5!urcSoc!c, J09 V.'. 
PerL-Oi, Billy F. 
Itobbina, Veldon S. 
Sales, Joseph K. 



19, Wilkereon, Eu^eno A, 






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Si.t>v.va.-.^i>dfe, 






Lawrence Exhibit No. 3 



496 






u Ua^a^«^' 



CJji.i" of i'ollco 



:>ir: 



Jnly 15, iy<;4 



i\;>',vi-,ltr 22, lv>3 



;cfore t;:;: ip-5ivi.!::r-l srafi'Ic .-ii;:::-.;i_i-r.to './ore ;: Ivon t'> cnch r.nn 

: tol.J t;;e officers t':c a.vn- >::ii.»:ac ti::i> of c'--a a:-ir'.val of CI.-o 
i'rc;;i.i'crit nt Love I'AclcJ, \-'r^rc !>..• u-'uiv; arrive: .-;<'. ti-,;* c;--;?ro:-..'.i"::-.to 
ni'A-;tx?c of vcliic3c«u in x.'.-ii-3 .-i.-torc-'i -c. I ^Ico awVisc-J t':T:;:i tii^c 
C.'sicf I^n,v;;in v.-oul.t l^e in a •.■-'.lUe i'.i.d U'iL:; tl^;- .;:crr?t JorvicG 
,;>crio.'>:4?I, n->:}r";;;i;.T:cl/ ci-. Tji ;«r t.-a ' •loc[.:, .:■'., c-n.l cl* 'i-iic ::oic;r- 
cr...*c n;i.l tlist oil olTiccirn on iici-i, .. i.t i.:i.:>i.l'J Lc rlcrt for ctiis 
vo;iiclc "!ia ;)ull C.'..f L;;.;/r;ia'a vc -'.c:,: t:;ro.:':i r-.:.; i-^us s*rl 
l;l.>ck off nil trc:rfic for t:>c ;::,-»i. cu::; i;o.:.-.:c.v'c. T li-cn 
i'.^tcd tit::it t'ic ;..'.»tv>rc^.v''G v,r:"*3.<' iii've na advance '..-,;•.,: cvcli: 
ci^nC; tJ;a* t.':c fir«;t one i?: t;.:? f: c..';C vo.lcl Ix? C'.l'r : rry'o 

cyclc cc^cort:; xKuld t<c j:::>t t.> ::^' ..;;r • f ll-o '';i;i . . :u*i c;;r 
oil cr»c'i aicio. I aJviiic;! l^v1;M t"':nt ..;.c I;;:^t vo:.'c:i.' " : \' '.c 
ri.) l-or c.'.v'.o ixViiil.i be a w.'.itc cjii i ''.Cvl .'■ .) cur; 31g:j, .,: - c. • 1 
officcra c;x:rcii£r.;; :i:>>or vc>\iclcci oho lU rcr.ain on UUnnr-cl 2 
for radio co:;.unlcatio:u>« 

I t!'.cn \-;c?r.t over t."»<» mute c-f x'-c r;-v;^':c'~:'e frr.a Ixivo ' i'*J 

\w il,^ h ve ai-j:, ij^/iilt; li:f.*r<; .v ' rk.- .\. ;' •> i);;;-^ -e ^:;J i .:.■:■ 

I ;■,. !i vc £j.^;ii,': -^ati in ti:'? '.'ra ':; art nrf;\; ri}::> ..;. i oiV.-r 
:-■:..' ..-.s;iio \;;>ulci Ix: r:i/.(:c afirr t:.c ^'r.-olJci.t Ict'c t'-o .rr-c 

•ii:; rln 'ivit:!!.-!! azi&'.'.i'-'.cnt. I C'}.^-o nv'Gv.a ficcc off''C-:i-o t^'-t 
:i;:fKrvJc;or;i v.-Ofil'.', be nvni l.iblc an ii.cir ;>,-rtici:in.r cro.-) Tit rr.y 

I t.-.ca tulcl the officers :!i-t '. ->rir Kl/i.'.ry -iuCi' \;r.5 iiaffic sod 
cr^vJ con;rol and that they aUc.-lvl ;<■ alert for ctiiy x:i-a n::; v; .o 
ui;:Jit attca;jt to t^rcw anyt'.nr^ ;«:U a2t::of.;;h it was v.ot a 



««»«»— ««ii«i»;»i^ III J i»».<J 



Lawrence, C^t, P.V/, Exhibit U 
Lawbence Exhibit No. 4 



497 



Vfl-C 2 




toll r.n:o ;iny ccVi-jn;; r.::c!j fla Vm' s-tZc^<:y.-j n\ '> :.C'-^-'crn%^ 
*ir./ pVr^iOii v,;iO ni.-.iu ;Ji:c:::->t to ti'ir^v/ fii'i >';.;-.:;. or ti 
at t'ii' ■'tvsiv.'cxj^ «r.;l liii, ^xij-ty; ;'.-i-'ir.-: ;•■ ii- »ic>:l-ir alt: j.' ^;ir: to 
ti:c cro;*.! for a;?/ «n-,jcj;al r.ctrvi;/, * i/iic.-,:.< .'. tiie i"rct ;:;: t 
t!i.is wr.a our 'rcaiUcaf c.;va J;-? crcv.l.l Ur i,/v.',;:i ever/ rt;rj,-.'».:t I'.r-c 
hia puaiEion aiul t:wv it \nfi cur duly to cvc t;;AC t-'^s v,v.& .I^r^c, 



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498 



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■^•KT^"'" ' iT" "" - James R. Leavelle Exhibit A — 

REPORT ON OFFICER'S DUTIES in RT- CARDS TC THii) PRESIDE.\T«S iJURDSR 
J. n. IE,\YE,LLS. - ^^736 

I reported for v.-ork at 7:00 am on rViday Uovc^bor 22, 1963. lly partners 
I noncally vrork with, Dotootivas E. R. iiock and 0.' R. Boyce, woro both off duty. 
' At 10:00 ara C, "VT. Erovm ropcartod in for duty. V/e got tocether to arrest a nesro 
hljaokor, Calvin fiugono J"'olcon, V;o located hia at 12 «15 pa> 2lt3l Ellis Stroot, 
and returned to our office and placed hira in jail at 12:145 pa. 1 '•''as told by Lt, 
Wells that the President had been sh ot and for us to report to Eln and Houston 
Streets, ., 

On our arrival I v.-ent directly to the ftont of the Texas School 2ook 
Depositor:.', Itll I'-lta street, • I net Inspector Savo^er v*io told me thnt the build- 
ing v/as secure and that it was being searched. Inspector Sayiyer also told bo 
all v/itnesses were being taken to the Sheriff's Office for interrogation, 

Tne uniform officers came up with a v^hite nan named l^illian Sharp of 3U39 
Detonta, T/ho the officers said had been up in the buildirg across the street 
from the book depository without a good excuse.. I took charge of this man and 
escorted him to the Sheriff's Office, v/hero I placed him with other vd-tnosses,. 

Several 2urglary and Theft Bureau detectives came in and volunteered thei? 
services for interrogation, I .told them if they would work vdth the Sheriff's 
''• ^utios, questioning the v/itnesses, I would return to the scene of the shooting 
to assist in the search* 

Just as I reached lill'^lm, the scene of the shooting of the ■^resident, a 
call came out on the police radio of a shooting of a police officer in the liOO 
HLk. of East lOth Street in Cak CLiff. I returned to the Sheriff's Office and 
called my office and %alkQi with -H, Wells v;ho said there was no one covering ' 
the officer shooting, I told hla I would make it, I borrovred a car from 
jI)et,°A. L. Edwards who was questioning a ^vitness in the sheriff's office and 

prooeodod to Oak Cliff. . _ . ■. " 

Leavelle Exhibit A 



499 



PoJPOI^ ON OFFICER'S DUTES EJ Kl^GARDS TO OFFICER TIPPIT'S LT7?J)2R 
J. R. LSA.VSLLE-.j{736 

On ny arrival in trio IiOO Mlk. of 2. 10th Stroct I talked with Cpt. Bud 
O-.vong^ jinJ OjTicor J. ^f^f_oo. At the samo tiao a call cane out that a pereon 
rittinc the dcccription of tho cuspoct v/as scon cnterins tho Texas Thoatro on 
West Jefrerson. 

I at-tcnpted to roach tho Texas Theatre in the 200 ELk, of '.^ost *'efforsoa 
but v/as unable to do so becauso of tho tralTic, Officor ■*'oo had given ne tho 
nane o'' a T;o.-3.*n who >7as an eyewitness to the shooting. Her naao v/as Helen 
liarldirj2 of 52G E. pth Street, a v/aitross at the Eat well CaTo on ilain Street, 
Also that tho nanaser of the -used car lot, ^01 E, Jefferson, had heard tho 
chcotins and seen the jsuspect runnin.^ froQ the scene. Officer Poo also told 
no Eoneono had picked up two empty ,38 hulls frca the street and given thea to 
hia, but ho did not know who it was, t, 

Aftor the arrest of Osr/ald at tlic Texas Theatre i was told over tho police 
radio that Squad 91 had tho witness to tfco shooting and wao onroute to the city- 
hall • I then returned to the city hall and my office, I assisted other officers 
in taking affidavits an:i answering the telephone. I took affidavits fron 
Charles Douglas Givins and Billy Nolan Lovelady, 

I was thon directed by Captain Fritz to locate the v/oioan witness to 
Tippit's murder and take h-.-r to the shovaip room to view Lee Oswald in a lineup, 
I found Helen i^arldiara in the Police Enorgency Rooa with Det, i*, C, Graves, Sho 
was suffering froa shock. As -soon as she was able, I took her to the shoxvup 
roca and called Captain Fritz t^o had Oswald brought do*>m and placed in a lineup. 
At k J35 pa, Noverabar 22, I963 Helen ilarldiam identified Oswald as the {12 nan • 
in a li>aan lineup as the zaan who had shot Officer Tippit. Also present was 
Qiief Curty, Captain Fritz and Dot. L. C. Graves. There may have been others in 
tho room, I don 't recall. 

Leiavelle Exhibit A — Continued 



500 



J. R. Lcavcllo-- ^j 2 

Cot. L. C, GravQS and I then took Helen Markh.-m to hrr home in Oak Cliff, 
Te stopped at tho used car lot, ?01 B. Joffcr£on,T/hcro v/o talked v/ith tho nanagor, 
7cd Oallov/ay, v/ho told no ho had oocn +hQ cuspcct running fron tho sccno •n.'ith a 
con in his hind and hov; he was dressed — ^with dark trousers, shirt lisht color, 
Jaokot and a T ehii*t| thnt tha shirt and J;iclcot ivoro opon and ho oould coo tho 
T shirt,, A colored pcrter, San Guinyard, of V/axahachie, Texas said ho olso 
caw the suspect and could identify hia. I also talked with another cnployeo 
of tho lot, Doaingo Benavidos, $09 E. •'effercon, who said ha wont to the sceno 
of tho shooting and picked up two ccrpty hulls and gave them to Officer Poc, 

IVe then returned to our office where Captain rritz told me to call the above 
people to coma dovm for a lineup, I called ^^'r, Callcavay fiho caiao dovm and brought 
Sam Guinyard v/ith hin, We wont directly to the showup room. 75iile \Taiting for 

\ tho shoT/up I took an affidavit frota both of tho above nen. At 6:30 pm Oswald 
vras brought dov-Ti, whore ho was identified by both Calloway and Guinyard ae tho 
ooBiG cipn thoy hnd seen running from the sceno of Officer Tippit's kill ing with 
& gun in his hand. He was identified as //2 nan in a l;-aan lineup, 

ilr, Callov/ay and Guinyard woro then taken up to the crime lab on tho Iith 

' .floor whore Captain Doughty shqwod us a jacket that was found along the route 
taken by tho suspect from the sccno of tho Tir<|pit shooting, Thoy identified it 
as tho saao one or ono Just like .the one v/orn by the suspect, 

I returned to tho i^oaicida Office where -I^ worked until lOO am Saturday 
ffioming, I vrant home and returned at 8:00 am Saturday, Kovecibor' 23> 1963, 
Curing tho day I did general office work and took two moro affidavits: ono from 
R, S, Truly, suparvisor at the Texas School Book Dopository, lill Elm Street and 
another employoo of this business, Urs, R. A, Keid, I also took an affidavit from 

j T/, >;, Scoggins, a cab driver 1:^0 was near the sceno of the Tipplt shooting and 

LEiA.vELLE Exhibit A — Continued 



501 



J. R. Lcavoilo-Paeo 3 

witnosscd aaao. At 2;1^ pa another shc7."up r.'z.z held v.hsro CcoQzLnz identified 
^sv;ald as tho sxrM ho caw shoot Crricer Tippit, 

Also at thio same shoTwp wac williaa V'ajnc "haley, another cab driver, v/ho 

I 
drcfvo OavTald fTca the Grejhound Bus dopot to tho 500 SLk, of Worth SDckloy. ilo -.'f 

alco identified Oav/ald as the i'^ nan in a ii-3ian lineup. Others in tho linaup 
vera :■ 11 John Tnuzroan Hora, #2 David Knapp, j^'3 Oavrald, #li. Daniel Lujoa, 

I worked until 9 :00 pa this date and was told to ret\im about 8 130 aa 
tho noxt day, JJunday Hovcabor 2li, lp63 by Captain Frits, Ho said v;o vrould 
trancTor Oswald about 10 :00 oa* 



Leavelle Exhibit A — Continued 



502 



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nSPOHT OK CFPXCES'S D-TIHn Vi HFLKPJDS 70 CT.WALD'C DliVTII 
J.. R. L 'ATCLLr: - r/736 

I arrived Sunday nomins, Hovonber 2h, I963 about 8:00 aa, '•'•o rccoivod 
word fron 'Ar, i'orry, .'Security Orficor of tho Ctatlcr-Milton thnt they had a aan 
check in r^o onid he reprosentod a raunition ccppany o-t of Callfcrnia, I v.'ont to 
thci hotol in coapany with Dot. C. '^K ^hority and iir, C, '.'.•, DroTm, >-Q talked 
vfith iiobort v;. ?arkfcr, 51;h i^Jorth Cyproso, ^'rimso, California, \?o satisfied 
oursolvoc ho was 0. K, and rctumod to tho offico. 

At 0'3O am I was instructed, along with T'ot. L, C, Craves and Dot, C, ;«', 
Dhoi'i-iy to ^o up in the jail and get i^o Os-.vald, I -/.-ent to his cell and put tho 
handcuff on hia r/itu his hands in front of h±n, 

?ro rotumr-d to Captain iritz's ofi'ice •.vhere Captain Fritz, ITr. Sorrolls 
and Mr, Thonas i^lly of the Secret Service questioned Ocvald, Also in the rooa 
Jv/orq Detectives L, ^, ~ontgoacry, L. C, Graves, ^, N, Bhority and Inspector 
Holsioo of tho i'ost Office Dopartnont and aysclf , 

i>hortly after 11:00 aia i^o bocan the transfer. Chief Curry had cone to 
Captain Fritz's offico, * had cade a suggostion earlier to double cross tho ;' 
procs and take Oswald out on tho first floor via tho ■^ain Street doorp loavinj; 
tl'.o press v/aiting in the basement and on Comaorca Street, 

Also it was suggested to go out tho Ilain T-trcet rarap and west on iJain Street, 
.' Tiioso suggestions wore turned do;vn by Chief Curry v;ho stated that we had batter 
r,o ahead v;ith tho transfer as "planned, since ho had given his word on it. 

Approximately 11:15 aa we left the third floor office with Os-.vald handcxiffed 
to ny left ara with Dot, i>, C. Craves holdin.i to Os^vald'c loft ara, preceded to 
tho jail elevator by Captain Fritz, Lt, Snain, Detective ^* D, Wontsooery, "O 

reached the bascaent Jail office v/ith officers in front we headed to tho autoaobile 

^1 • ■ ' 

^ Jaap just outside tho jail offico door. V7o hesitated just insido the jail door^ 

Leavelle Exhibit A — Continued 



503 



FDoos ta«v. 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

11/2 5/63 



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Dotcctivo J, R. LIlAVi;LL."r, , 7703 Rilla Aveirac, 
Dall?.s, Toxzis, Kcnicide end F,obbory E-jrocu, J}z.11c.g Police 
I^epnrtaent, cdvised r.bout 11:15 a.m., Ilovcni'ccr 24, 1S33, 
L3;Z ILini^IY- 037:ALD '.-.•.■as trJ:cn frcn the Eonicicc end r.obbery 
Eurceu, i:>r.lln.s Polico Dcpartnont , Iccr.tcd or. tho third 
ilooi- of th-" City n-11 DuildiaiT, for the purrrcc^^ o2 
tr-.::3ir.crt:.:,:,' ;-,i;r. to the i'.alles County Jail. CZ'.:/:.ZS.j T;as 
h.^ndcujlfcd en*/, v/as thcroaxter handcuffed to the left 
hr.nd of '.-""■'"ZZj'Z, Lr.:l'~LI'3 stated' th:-.t Detective .j. C, 
GaA-"":". had hold of the left ara of 0S',:AI-3. lie .st:-.-;cd 
t;-,r.i Cr.ptain .J. Tr. j?.l'.TZ, I-Io;nicide and r.ob'oci'y ivrcavi, and 
"-■icatcnant ?.. 3. ST/AIN, E'arglary and Theft L.'.r'- .'a, proceeded' 
in front of them, and L. J), :,:CI"TC-0:.:r;ilY , Honicide and ' •■ 
P-obbcry r-.ireau brought up the rear. All of the above 
ncntio:-.-'^. individuals proceeded fron the third floor 
by ■ : o__ che jail clovator to the jail office located 
in t: : ':;,ccnent of the City Eall Duilding., I'orr.icice 
and P.obbery detectives E. E. PP^CK and C. xT. PPOrPT:; had 
previously departed for the purpose of getting the 
transportation cars into position. 

Detective LPAirSLLH and GFJIVHS after arriving ' 
in the jail office hesitated at the door leading freni the ■ 
jail office into the outside corridor until they obtained 
an all-clear signal from Captain PP.IT3 v/ho had proceeded 
into the corridor ahead of them.. LPAvTlLI-^ stated that 
thereafter, he and GPjV>'Z3, with OSV/jlLD betv.'cen thcr.-i as 
previously described, proceeded from tho jail office into 
the corridor loading out into the undir-round parking area. 
It T.as noted in the corridor that uniform officers were 
lined up alonrj the wall, and that ncvs media •.vere gathered 
on the auto ramp to the left and front of LPAVZLLI-l and tho 
escorting officers. The car in which C3'.";\1D v;as to be 
transported was on the ranp and v.-as backing up to the 
position where OSV/ALD could get in. Captain PP.ITZ was 
in tho lead and was stop-cd at tho edge of the rarnp 
waiting to get into the front scat of the car. C-PA'^/'ES 
and LPA''3I-LS stopped momentarily for tho car to back up. . 
V.'hcn the buc.per of the car got even with the right side 
of LPA'.TLLi;, jag:: P.UBY darted froa the crowd of news 
media about six feet av/ay and had. gun in hand. RUBY shot' 
03'."AL3 at a distance of approxinatoly fifteen inches av/ay. 



of r>-:;n^B, r^x r.r^ File # PL 44-1639 

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by Specie! A£cnt JAr.^S XT. P.OO"H077T /wtht, ^^.^ dickered 11/24/63 

This documont eontalna nal-.hcr roCxcTRO "da'.lons "<>' '■■-* ,:'■■',■.: - ■ ^ ;.^^ijk...iv :. . - . :t -.■.-.- . . . ■ . ' . - .li ;"„ 

y..rac,ncy;itonajtocon.cM.c.c6..M_ob,dia,r.bux,dj,u_uEx.No.5088 LEAVELLE, J.R. Deposition_"" 

n Dallas 3-25-64 



Leavelle Exhibit No. 5088 



504 



2 

SL 44-'1639 



LEAVELLE stated that whan he saw RUBY dart at 
OSY/ALD, he jerked on OSTfALD's handcuff at approximately 
the exact time of the shot and pushed RUBY back with his 
hand on OSWALD'S left shoulder. LEAVELLE stated that 
GRAVES at the same time grabbed RUBY's .hand and took 
the gun away from him. 



LEAVELLE Exhibit No. 5088 — Continued) 



505 



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.::hwd 'c'r.j follovjing infor- 
,c: on I-Iovonibcr 24;, 1963: 

x.t 11 :15 t..-:^., C:.-r:c.in 

Office. OSUflf •. ... ^ 

. . , ; '-lo had hold of OSlvALD's left ar;?. and they prcc^-acd 

; .-..i -jhird floor' of tho Djillas PollooBuildir.3 to the _:: - 

rrb vi& tho jail olovator. Afoor loaxins the elevator ^ 

., ...^ :.roco'Cded across the jail office- ar.d v;.e.-.t through the ^--'C 

.:L3Z door of the j::-il office. As th-y left the jeil office ^^ ; C J 

door thi crov;d of roport&ro had pushed forv.-rd to about six or ^ ^ y 

li^v.--. feet from ther;. Hi Sai-J a r.ian vjho he recognized ae soncoriC >^ r V 
h: ;•:■.:'•; (.i:.id lator loomed the nian iii.s O'ACIC RUBZ)^ out of the /ivr.. '* 
cow. .r of his eyo £.i*.d SJBZ j-ar.\ocd fror.i the cr-or;d and at the ' * ,- 

....... line bring a gun up. Rli'BY ap'peered to tel.e tvjo stops 

ce-...a^d3 OSWALD ai:d whon he ssj this, ho j^r::._c OS'./ALD back 
aus-iid hin to suir; clightly and ?Jj3Y shot OSV/ALD 

left 3ide- of his sto".'..'iCh. At the oene tirr.e that ^ - 

L:-;.! th3 shot he grabbed KOBZ's left should ir e.':d '<^ -vo ' '^ ■'■ 

ni.; back cmd down a^id T>ut hinself betv-een RU3Y -nd -v. - >^- 

:. V.e .r officers su'^-"'.. Zly.iY ar.d he helped carry ^V' :^ ^ 

C..C.; i::go the jail office. --:.^ - 

He first net RUBY about ' -:.- JIU5Y cv:::ed the 

Sear „ A'^ that tiue h., KorY ... ^r^-j. of thz^ Silver ; 

:/:- :.-^ ehie plac:., Yj uas :' 






: Yiecu_-e hie political b^la 
.- .- ,^^. ^.i tr.e .Sliver Spur but this './ae 
carried a g'on oti the- street to the best 



.-Yeuo six rio:eM:;3 ago ho received an a:::.q::-y^eous call 
Y:;^a3 Club which v;a3 o;sed by RuSYj, wae going to 
:.jed. Ka ar.d his partner v;c-nt dovni to the Vv^gas 
a :ayed about I5 hours. RT3B7 car.e- in ar.d aaked '.;hat 
- or; but did r;ot secu c^r&rly co,'.c..r.';'_d. This 
^:...".. ' .' " " " " ■ ' •" ■ ■" ■ 



-Ex.No.5089 LEAVELLE,J.R. Denosixion- 

Dallas 3-25-64 

12/-:.G/c3 „, Dallas^ gezas p^,^ ^t uaiias H^.-io:i^ 

ALYOIT S. BM^ELEie: & 
- .c:c: Acc.t 5 I-.-gSI?ia ?. LOOANsBL . . jjcto dictotcd 12^1/53 

......r.i ccntalns neither rocommondatlons nor concluslono of tho FBI. It iB tho property of tho FBI and U loaned to 

..^..^,; it and Ita contonio are not to be dLatrlbuted outcido your agoncy. 



Leavelle Exhibit No. 5089 



506 



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o 

hi-oackii-:.5 nir/y?--" -.■utcrialized. Ho Ir-ici aean RITBY on the ctrcct 
occasionally buu it ;:ac only a ccisual naoting and notal-s of 
Irnoortancc \:zs evi^r di-c;:t3:i<id. ROlJY hr-s alv.ays be:on vory 
friendly end c>?.3U£.l every tir/to they have net. R'jaY haa invited 
hin to his plr:ice for froti dlniicrs but he hac; ncvor accepted. 
J-Ie has n-r'v-r \\-orkvjd for RTJEY or does ho knov; of any other 
police officer x^'ho has. 

Ho estinated th'i.t at th<; tino he arrived in tho 
bciSvir.cnt with OSV/ALD there wore about I50 people. In tho bascr-ont^, 
this including officers and new;2v;ien . Hs did not rocosnizo 
a.,;;;/on5 in the bas^rient other th^n police officers v^ith tho 
cxcop::ion of tho before-mentioned facts about RUBY„ 

Ej und^srstood that tho uniforn division had cleared 
tho baso;^;-nt of all uneu'Ghoriaod -oorEonncl boforo thoy 
started transferring OSWALD, na did aiilc Captain FRITZ if the 
■ car to bo used in transferring OSVJALD would be directly in 
front of th3 sr.iail hallway lo;-^.aing f;-ori tho jail office . 
Captain FRr:;-Z said it would bo. Ha did not iciow or see any 
police officer identify any individual in the basenent as 
ho v.-as no^ present when these individuals v;ore aduittsd to 
the basa:nont. 

Ha- never sav; RuBY botwo-en Kovo::.bor 22 and 24, 1963^ 
in fc;Ct he believes that th-o last tine he sf.x-i PJJBY was in 
October and this Vi?is xchile he wais driving by RUBY'S Car-ousel 
Club, and RUBY was Just going in. Ke docs not know of any 
association bstvjeen OSWALD and RGBY. Ko wa^. never present 
Vihile OSV.-ALD was being int;-:.rvioii'od nor f.-jas h^- prc-sent v;hilc RUBY 
•was being interviev."ed by the Dallas Polica officers. He v;as 
instructed, on Noveir:bar 25* 1963^. to assist in the transfer of 
RUBY to the Dallas County Jail. On their v;'c..y d-own in tho 
Jail elevator ho said to RUBY, "JACK, in all the years I've 
Ic.ovjn ycu, you'v?;' never deliboxv.tcly caused any police officer 
any trouble that I k?iOW of and you didn't do us any favor \;aon 
you shot OSWALD. You've really put the pressure c: . us.'' RUBY 
replied, "That's the last thing in the vjorld i wanted to do, 
I Just vjanted to be a danned hero and all I've done is 
foul things up." 



Leavelle Exhibit No. 5089 — Continued 



507 



IIEPC«T ON OFFICER'S D'.Ti::'. I'J REGWinS TO anVALD'C TicXtn 
J,. R. L AVP.LLK - f/736 

I arrived Sunday momlne, Movomber 2ii, 1^63 about 81OO am. •'•'0 rocolvad 
word from ;-r. i'orry, Security orfioor of tho ytatlfii^-Hilton thnt they had a nan 
checle in *ho said h« roprosentod a raunition conpany o-t of CallTcrnla, I wont to 
tho hotel in company with Dot, C, i«» ■4iority and :^'r, C. ■'■', Drown, e talked 
with Kobort V, barker, 51U i'^orth Cypreso, ^rango, CallTomia, V7e oatiafied 
ourselves he was 0» K, and rotumod to tho offlco. 

At 9«30 am I was inatxnictGd, alonf; with ict. L. C. Craves ard Dot, C, :j, 
Kiority to go up in the jail and cot •k;o ^euaXd, I Aent to hie cell and put the 
handcuff on him with bis hands in front of him. 

TTe returned to Captain iritz's office whore Captain Fritz, Ur, Sorrollo 
and Mr, Thomas '^Uy of the Secret Service questioned Oswald. Also in the roca 
were Detoctivos L, ^, Montgomery, L. C, Graves, C, li, Dhority and Inspector 
Holaoa of tho i'ost Office Dopartraont and a.vself . 

i^hortly after lliOO am i^a becan tiM transfer. Chief Currj- had cone to 
CapVain Kirltz's office. *■ had made a cut;£;ostion earlier to double cross the 
proaa and take Oswald out on the first floor via the -^ain Ctroot door, leaving 
ttio press waiting in tho basement and on Ccnii.. rce T.tre t. 

Also it was Buggestod to go out tho f^.-iir; ..trcfit rc-Tip and west on iJain Street, 
Tl.eso su^ijestions wore turned do^vn by Chiol" Curry v.ho stated that we had bettor 
go ahead with tho transfer as planned, since no had given his word on it. 

Approximately llil5 am we left tho third floor office with Oswald handcuffed 
to ny left arm with Dot, i*, C, Graves holdinr; to Oj-ztaXd'e left ana, preceded to 
the Jail elevator by Captain Frttz, Lt, Swain, Detcctivo ^, D, i^ontgoaery, '••e 
reached the basonent Jail office with officers in front we hoadod to the autoaobile 
rastp just outside the Jail office door, Ve hoeitatod Just inside the Jail door, 

Le^avelle Exhibit No. 5090 



508 




J, R. X<t.ivelle-Pag« 2 



then was given the all dear sign, Wo walkfd oiit and had Juot reached tho ranp 
»phor« the ear «»• w©r« to rids in wae boint? buckoii into position by Uctootivo 
Ehority >khen out of the masa of huminity comp sod of all the news media, which 
had ourgod forward to within aix or soven feit of us, came th6 figure of a nan 
with a Kun in hand. He took two quick steps nnd double actioned a ,38 roVolver 
point blank at Oswald, X jerked back on '-'swald, at the aano tirao roaching out and 
catching Jack Rrby on the left shoulder, shovlnc back and down on hiw, bringing 
a.vself between Ruby and Oswald, I could seo Dot. Gravoa had Ruby's evn hand and 
gun in his hands, 1 turned my attention to ^cwald and with the help of ^ot, 
Combost we took Oswald back into the jail office and ld.d him down, ^ndcuffs 
ware reaoved and the city hall doctor, ^r, "iiebertlorf vrao summoned, Vie also 
called 'Ileal anbulonce, Oswald was placed in tho jxnbulance and ruEhed to 
Parkland *^spital. In tho ambulance besides the crew was Dr. ^deberdorf. 
Cot. L. C, Graves, Det, C. N, i^orlty and myoolf , 

He was rushed to surgery where he expired at li07 pm# November 2li, 1963, 
pronounced by Dr, Tom Shires, Judge f'ierce ^k: Bride was summoned, I gave hia 
all the information needed to request an autopsy, T^on all necessary reports 
wero made, I returned to the oity hall where •£ made tho offense report on l>ee 
Harvey Oswald, • 

Leavelle Exhibit No. 5090 — Continued 



744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 34 509 




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799 BROADWAY NEW YORK 3. N. Y. ORe«oo 4.8295 • 

llay 29, 1963 

1;9"'7 L/C "ia^azine Street ' j 

":,v.- :t loans ^ Louisiana 

L'C?.r 1*^16 nd: ; 

Thanlc you for your prompt reply. Enclosed are your uard and receipt, along I 

v/ith our thanks and welcome. 

Your interest in helping to form an FPCC Chapter in '^'"'ew Orleans is grateiflully 
raceived, I shall try to give you some basic information now -so that you may have 
a better picture of what this entails. 

For one thing, I- an enclosing a copy of our Constitution and By-LaiTs for all 
Chapters and Student Councils, You will note that there is considerable autonomy 
for an organization our size. Vie try and let all Chapters operate according to the 
local requirements. Naturally, there a minimul regulations which must be met, 

/ All Chapters can receive literature in bulk at a discounted rate and resell at 
the retail price and use the proceeds for further Chapter activities,'^ Credit is 
extended and payment is not required vrith the order. We do expect payment within a , 

reasonable period so that we may continue our end of the operation. 

It w.Tuld be hard to concieve of a chapter vath as few members as seem to exist 
in the \'ew Orleans area, I have just gone through our files and find that Lousiana 
seems somewhat restricted for Fair Play activities. However, with vj-hat is there 
perhaps you could build a larger group if a fe\T people would undertake the disciplined 
rfisponsibility-of concrete organizational work, 

Vfe certainly are not at all adverse to a very small Chapter but certainly would 
expect that thero would be at least twice the amount needed to conduct a le^al executive 
board for the Chapter, Should this be reasonable, we could readily issue a charter for 

I "" V.T. Lee Exhibit 3 *" 

Lee (Vincent T.) Exhibit No. 3 



514 




799 BROADWAY NEW YORK 3. N. Y. ORcgon 48295 

a "ew -'rlRans Chapter of FPCG. In fact, we vfould be very, very pleased to see this 
take place and -would like to do everything possible to assist in bringing it about. 
7fe feel that the south-east is a very difficult area to work because of our lack of 
contacts. Our only southeastern Chapter right now is that in Tar.ipa, Florida which 
I originally organized before coming up to work in the National Office, 

I for one am convinced of the possibility of such an enterprise but know from 
experience that it is quite a- problem and requires some sacrifice on the j>art of 
those involved. 

You must realize that you will come under tremendous pressures with any attempt 
to do FPCG work in that area and that you vdll not be able to operate in the manner 
which is cinventional here in the north-east. Even most of our big city Chapters have 
been forced to abandon the idea of operating an office in public. The national office 
here in New York is the only one in the country' today and the' Hew York City Chapter 
uses our office too so it is the only Chapter with an office. Most Chapters have dis- 
covered that it is easier to operate semi-private ly out of a home and maintain a P.O. 
Box for all mailings and public notices. ^(A P.O. Box is a must for any Chapter in the 
organization to guarnatee the continued contact with the national even if an individiaial 
should move or drop out.)) '7e do have a serious and often violent opposition and this 
proceedure helps prevent many unnecessary incidents which frighten av/ay prospective 
supporters. I definitely would not recommend an office, at least not one that will 
be easily identifyable to the lunatic fringe in your community. Certainly, I would not 
recommend that you engage in one at the very beginning but wait and see how you can 
operate in the community through several public experiences, 

Vie vdJLl be able to give you some assistence from here, but not much. It is up 
to the local Chapters t o_handle thoir ctto affairs. You^shaou ld have at least access 

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799 BROADWAY NEW YORK 3. N. Y. ORegon 4.829> 

to a mimeo machine to prepare public material if you are going to operate, A 
fc^ood typeivritiE is essential and above all pecple that will carry out the million 
and one mechanical functions necessary to make it a going operation, 

V Note: when you contact people by mail we recommend that only first class be 
used and that no full name go on the return address on the outside of the envelope, J • 
You will notice how we work our's here on the national level. Many people will re- 
spond better with this type of protection against nutty neighbors and over curious 
postmen* These may sound like small things to you, but I can assure you that we havei 
gone through thi a thousand and more time the length and breadth of the country and 
have learned a great deal over the last three years through some bitter experience. 

Naturally, I would like to communicate with you a great deal more concerning 
yourself so that we can get to know you and possibly be of some assistence to you 
as we get more information, 

17e hope to hear from you very soon in this regard and are looking forward to 
a good ^TO^king relationship for the future. Please fell free to discuss this matter 
quite thoroughly ivith me. 

Fraternally, 




V. T, Lee, 
National iUrector. 



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516 



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Now Or loans. La. 

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■ailing pXite azKl not rinding one oan only oonolods that •ithar it «a« pollMi 
soTM tias ago whan nail was returned to as or that your sabsoripftion has long 
sinoe expired* 

In anjr evect^ Ifo are enclosing a renewal forn and a oopgr of our oorraai 
literature oatalog for 70U to catoh up with* Ve hope to hear from 70a sooa 
so that we m^y again have /our naae aaongst those who contAnue to sqpport tbi 
•XTorts of our Couaittee* 

Fjratemalljr, 




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To: The t'STFTTIatr^^ Cuba Committee 
• New Orleans, La. 

r I I wish to join the Committee. Enclosed is my Initiation Fee of $1.00 
and dues are $1.00 a month. 

/ / I cannot participate as an active member of the Committee, but wish to 
become a subscriber to mailings. Enclosed find $5.00 for one year. 

/ / I would like to have a more active part in supporting the cause of FPCC. 
Enclosed Is my contribution for ,. 

Name 

Address 

City _Zone State 

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Lee Oswald, 23, 4907 Magazine,) 
Monday was sentenced to pay a| 
fine of $10 or serve 10 days in! 
jail on a charge of disturbing the' 
peace by creating a scene. j 

Oswald was arrested by First] 
District police at 4:15 p. m. FVi-j 
day in the 700 block of Canalj 
while he was reportedly distribut-j 
ing pamphlets asking for a "Fair 
Play for Cuba." 

f Police were called to the scene 
^when three Cubans reportedly 
[isought to stop Oswald. Municipal 
chai^geS against the Cubans for 
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627 



i.t..-. Dfstwct H.4843^3 AFFIDAVIT 



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:a.e of Louisiana, City of New Orleans, Parish of Orleans 

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THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS, LA. 
versus 
Lfie H« Cr>'.,ALD, tu-., 6(^0 23 
Ir-^O'.' i-j\-:a3ire fc,, KO, Ia» 

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51';/ Aclcle St., Apt« E, lJO,Ia» 

... CR!i2, V-.I, age 18 
. -zant -t., Apt* C, UO, La. 



i^ersonally appeared before me, the undersigned 



Judf-e of the ^'CCOnd Municipal Court of 

the City of New Orleans, duly commissioned and 
sworn. 



Lt. Va, Galliot 
Patri, /« "llson 
Patn* F* Hayv^ard 

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a\in;c been duly sworn, doth depose and say: 
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day of 



August 



1963 



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^ 700 Blk. Garni St. ^, , , 

M., on Street, between 



Streets, within the jurisdiction of this Court, one 

;« Osv/ald, Carlos J, Brifrjlor, Colso l-U ilernacdaa atid ^ii£ue^ li, 
Cru:: • « 4 

and there wilfully violate Ordinance Nw.-^' *"-''■' Section42«»fc2 relative to 

•ci. r- the .coaco by Crcat-£.vi a Lcc.ne,,* 



,1 peace and dignity of the City of New Orleans. 

<i2S ;:cs 42-22 

Kioie the deponent charges the accused with violating Ordinance No. Section No. 

thoy 

and prays that be arrested and dealt with according to law. 



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Exhibit #6 



Sworn to and subscribed before me. this, 
day of 19 \ 



Judge. 



Color I Age I Male I Female 



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Address of Employer 



Time Paroled. 



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NOTICE TO PRISONER:— You mu.st appear i:-,__ .lunicinal Court, 501 North Rampart St., 

1:00 P K.ti., AUG, 12th 63 . 

M., 19 ^ without fail under penalty of fine and imprisonment. 

Knn.M H. Q. No, I 



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1/22/54 



Da'iQ 



L. J. LEWIS, 7515 Hunia, Pleasant Grove, Texas, advised 
he- is presently self-eraoloyed as a wholesale car dealer. LEWIS 
advised.. that, on the afternoon of KoveiT.bex'..2 2, 1353, he was on 
the used car lot of Johnny Reynolds Used Cars together with 
KA7;CLD RUSSELL and PAT PATTERSON, during which time they heard 
approxir.ately three or four gun shots coming from .the..,vi.cln.ity 
of Tenth. a:~id ..Patt on Avenue, Dallas, Texas. Approximately one 
minute later he observed a white male, approximately thirty j/ears 
of a'^e, running -south on Patton Avenue, carrying either'-^^'ir "'automatic 
pis'col or a revolver in his hands, and while running was either 
attempting to reload same or conceal the weapon in his belt line. 

Upon' reaching. the. intersection of Patton Avenue and 
Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, the individual then proceeded 
west on Jefferson, at which- time LEWIS advised he went into the 
office of Johnny Reynolds Used Cars and called the Dallas Police 
Department to advise them of the fact that the shooting had just 
occurred just north of the intersection of Jefferson and Patton 
Avanue . 

.LEVJIS c'vised PAT PATTERSON and WARREN REYNOLDS attempted 
to folic-.-.- -jhe .ind::-vidual, and to the best of his knowledge, HAROLD 
RUSSE'' ' had gone in the direction of Tenth and Patton Avenue to 
c£-.- -.hat had happened. LEV7IS advised he later was informed 
thw .i.s uniform 'police officer had been shot at the inter- 
section, of ?. tton and Tenth Street in Dallas, and that in all 
probability the individual they had seen- running south, on. Patton 
.'.venue with a gun in his possession was the individual responsible 
for same . 

LEWIS was shown a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New 
Orleans PD No. 112723, dated August *3 , 1963, at which time 
Kr» LEWIS advised due to the distance from which he observed the 
individual he would hesitate to state whether the individual was 
identical with OSWALD. 



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VRR'vn'' MTTCH-P:?^ - T.AC Dc^o dictated ' 1/22/64 



Lewis (L. J.) Exhibit A 



534 



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"Mr. J. E. Curry 
Chief of Police 



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"November 24^ 19^3 
"5ubJeot: Shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald. 



"Approximately three to five minutes before the 
prisoner was brought r^i^ut, 1 observed, a Channel 5 . 
Camera mounted on tripod rajlers come through the doors 
in front of the Jail office' tot^^e ramp. I observed 
three men pushing the camera, one on each side and one 
man crouched down In rear head down'' as If T'^a^hlng the 
camera. As the camera cam© down the slope from 
entrance to ramp, I grabbed one of the tripods to 
steady the camera. As the camera men pushed the camera into 
the ramp they turned slightly to the ^l^lght, one .. ' 

attendant stated 'We can't get out this way', they ■ 
then pushed the camera Into the crowd of newsmen on * 
the East side of the ramp area and disappeared Into 
the rear of the crowjil. At this time I heard someone • 
In the Jail office door^qij'^te, , 'Here he comes ' . As 
I looked towards the Jafl office dopr, I saw Lleutenartt 
Swain come oiit. ApproXlraa'&aly ten to fifteen feet 
behind Lieutenant Swain, Captain Fritz came out, only *, 
six to eight feet behind Captain Fritz, Detective y\ 

J. R. Leavelle leading Oswald (hand cuffed) by the^rlght >■/' o^ 
arm. I could riot Identify the detective on 02rwald's (^v'\.\^ 
right. As both Leavelle, Ozwald and unknown "He te.ctlve •" w \ 
approached entrance to the basement ramp, I saw ,V"v.' ^.^ V ■ 
Jack Ruby lunge from the Northeast comer of the . V ^>-\^j Y 1 
ramp area. I saw what looked like a blue steel snub -^f^y ,.^ X \ \ 
nose revolver, ajmos-c simultaneously Ruby fired. * 1'' v \ -r 'OV-.' 

Oswald let out a, .long '0-o-o-h'. Several officers jI^a ^' "'" '* ■ 

Including myself attempted to grab the suspect. The 
suspect was then wrestled to the floor by several 
officers. 



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"I know Jack Ruby and had not seen him In the crowd 
or bulldlng|Until I saw him lunge and. fire at Oswald. 

"Respectfully submitted, 

"/s/ R. L, Lowery 

' Detective, IT^lOSl 

^ Juvenile Bureau 

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■: .£pc.No.5081 LOWERY,R.L. Deposition- V' 

; Dallas 3-25-64 /V -/ 

LowEBY Exhibit No. 5081 




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F.OY LE3 LO!73nr, 833 ^T. Church. C-rcird Prr-irio,- 
To::r.3, tclc?ho;:o AM 2-1437, cnplcyocl S3 ci. detect ivo , 
Juvenile Dv.rcr.'-s, Dallas Police Dcpi-tment, 2.d-<:l3cd on 
I'ovoi'.ibei- 2-1, 19S3 , he V/T,s assir;nod to the Seciirit;'' detail 
rc,,.\rdinc tr-usfor of L!:;3 ILanVJZ CCV.Y.Li: frc:.: tho i:r.llr.c City 
Jjiil to the Sallas County Ja.il. In this rc:-:".rd, Lc v/e.s 
stationed durins the pertinent period outside the jr^ii 
Oxiice 'et the bottom of the re,r:;p v;hero n. corridor Iceds to 
the jeil OaijIco. Ho v/es in position fix'o or ten nii-utcs 
before C:5'..'r..LD \:t.s brouc;ht out of the jziil office r.nd I ^^ 

v.T.lked five or si:: pe.cc3 (n.bout 12 'to 15 foot) v/hen "X^ I 

JAC'I I-l'Oir .?,"J'f,Y lunged frc.r. the opposite side of the rziup', ■' ' ' ^ ; ■".■ 
from the ::.:rea of reporters, toward CSV.'ALD. Il'JZ'I shot' • •■ .;* .> 
point-'blr.r.h r.t CS'/Aic's stomach as he' ran. _LC '..":: ?." stated 
ho tnd*;ce;T,rai:J3thers gta'Dbed? RU3Y. ■.■,..,■■..•;.■■ -'.7~ r> 

LO'VZP.Y stated that upon bDinj r.ssif;r.ed to the 
Security retail, he had received his. ins ti-uc tier.;-. iro;a 
Captain 0, A. JOITT'S, Forcory Bureau. Eaid i~:t:.-uetions 
related to vhcro he vras to stand and the fact that the 
area vas to be kept open and no ono was to bo let into the 
S.X03. except, of ficcrs- and press representatives. 

LCVrrr^T advised that he understood that prior to 
receiving his instructions, ■,•';■ !: the area had been secured. 
L0V.TX:Y related further v/ith regard to his e::act pcs-ition 
at the tiv.ie of the shcotins, he v;as on the r;.::ht of Uctectivc 
J. R. LrAVr.J-^Li; who had just coae even vith him. 

LOirzr^l stated that Chief LUll'l'IZI and Chief CHLZlLZ^ 
E/^Ivf^LOIl T.'ore in the area' at tho tirtc of the shoot in^. 

LO";7n2.Y stated that he recalled the Channel 5 Tele- 
vision cacora -.,'';.•. T.-as rolled down the coiTidcr zc tho raiap 
area just prior to the arrival of CCUAI-D in tho area. Ho 
stated that ho, too, was under the inpression that there rcre 
three F,en pushing this caraera and all had their heads dcwn. 
He stated as it passed hia at tho entrance of t:.c corridor 
at the rar^p, it was pushed across the ramp d:. - . : c-..: l:o :' -j 
ramp going to tho basomeat parking area and ^j-. ;;.: Jc-.-„r: .:. 

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Dallas 3-25-64 

on 11/24/63 „> Dallas . Texas , Pi,, - T^h 44-1G39 

by Special Asent JAII^IS Y/. ECOXnGTri* /wvm Octo ^-.^-^-^ 11/2 5/SS 

This doeunoni contain* nslthcr r. J§p? wndollonB nor concluolonn o( !h« FBI. It ts ^'-"O opotty of the FBI and to loaned lo 

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feet behind the line of newsmen. and reporters. He stated 
this camera was never put Into operation, the cable was 
never connected, and the arJ^SAjr? cap was never taken off, 
LOWERY stated that following the shooting, the action^ 
of the two cameramen who pushed the camera from the area 
vi&B brought to the attention of Lieutenant R. E. SWAIN, JR., 
and they were taken to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau for 
questioning* LOWERT advised lie was of the opinion JACK LEON 
RUBY probably entered pertinent area under the pretext of being 
with the above mentioned Channel 5 Television newsmen. 



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Juvonllc ;iurea>:; , •■'■'■■ ■ .' •■.ic,-: 

info;rr:.id of lAtei-vifc-ivjg Agiat.;: : ^^-. 
lioc have to vdik to ^.ii.rn;;..> ; vb^- oi..; 
used cgainst iviia ijci a co-.tirt of Ij-Vv. ...^ 
to consul c an attornay •. LOU£R^ related tr 



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On Kovc=Tubor 24, 1^63, Chief STEVEKSON, Head 
of die Criminal, iftLeiligeiice Divisioii, cams in the 
Juvenile Burea.Ji at about 8:30 I-ii'l and told everyone precer.t 
to standby frcm 9t00 AM. At about 11:10 AM, Captair^ TRAMIC 
MA.RTIK, Kead of the Jcvenile w.ireatij, ordered all_ officers 
in the Juvenile Biireaw to tl:3 bascj?.:2nt. They ell v/ent 
do'-m to the baseHienl; „ The contingent frcsi the Juvenile 
Bureau consisted of Capt=-?i-n Fu\Rj'£W; Lieutenant GEORGE WoTL 
Detective W, J. CUVCs^Sl-J^i'-/; V^euective L. D. MILLER; Detective 
CKxLES GCOLSBV: Pattolms^ U, Jo H^^KRISONj and hi::iG3lf , LCU 
As jhey passed dovcn the corridor near the entrar.ce to the 
jail office in the baseKeiit^ they i-.'ere checlced throush by 
Patrolman NCLSON. After, stariding there for .a fe-.-; tncr.ient3j 
Cciptain JONES called evejiyor.e to attention and stated he 
v/anted the press to stand back in an area near the baca of 
the exit rarap neat the jail door. This area V7£S a parl-a.-.^^ 
space enclosed iwithit! a lo-fj rfiilivig and could be Ciccribed 
as an e?':tension of the corridor leading by the jail office 
door. Captain JOM!-'S char; told the officers that he '.--anted 
thei-n to line both sides f;f the halli'.?ay and rar.p and to hold 
the press back,, He, IDUnBY , stationed hiraseif at the inccr- 
section of the hall to the jail office and the.Cc:7_-.:erce 
Street exit raiPtp, or the soathv;est corner. He observed a 
largo arrriored t-':'i:ck vhich had bean backed part way dcvjn 
the ConTTtiercc Street o>:it raiTip and sa's7 Lieutenant GEORGE 
E:7-T.'iL"R through the. cpen doors of the truck cleaning it cut. 
There v.ere six or eight officers, both unifor^i and plain- 
clothes n'«2;n standing atound the truck. 

He reraeffibered that Detective COMBEST V7as standing 
iiKr.ediateiy to his,, LOyf.KY's,, left, and Detective B. L. 
BEATY v;£s n<^.<c U: COHBESV, Patrolinan VJ. J. HARRISON v/as 
standing diagonally across the corridor frcm LOUERY in the 
other line of police officers on the opposite side. ~' 
would have been at the nor the c- s & cor .ler of vhare the 



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LOWERy,R.L. Deposition- 
Dallas 3-25-64 

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by Special A;nnto, AT.T.VM ^v ^JMt-.U .V TOM F C"^^'\PnTON Doto dictafod ^'>/'> fr--i. 

ThU documool ccnialna nolthcr lacommendatlons nor concluslono of (h« FBI. It Is the prop«rty o( th« FBI and is ioan«d to 
your ac;onoy; It and II* contaotB at« not to ba distributed outside your agency. 



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538 



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corridor to the jail office intersect. 

He estimated that there were betc7een sixty and 
seventy-five Dallas. Police Officers in the basement of 
City Hall and that there t'7ere approximately forty to fifty 
nexv7spaper people, television people and radio people present. 

Captain JONES had stated that only police officers 
and authorized people from the press were to be allowed in 
the basement. Every one of the police officers v7ho were 
not personally Icnoim were Co identify themselves and the 
people from the newspapers , radio and televieion were to 
identify themselves with their press cards. Some of these 
individuals vyore their press cards attached to their lapels 
and others did so by holding them out in their hands. He, 
LGWERY , had no personal knov/ledge of any unauthorized persons 
being allowed in the basement. 

Some three to five minutes before the shooting 
of OSUi'iD, he observed a television Ccimera crew pushing a 
large television caraera, mounted on a tripod and dolly, frca 
TV Station IJPAB, Channel 5, Fort Worth, ccma dc^rTn the corri- 
dor past the door to the jail office and, V7hen diey saw the 
steep ramp and the armored car parked at the exit, one of 
the crew said they couldn't get up that X'yay. They then 
pushed the camera through a crowd of nev7smen on the east 
side of the ramp area and he did not see exactly vjhere they 
V7ent to in the basement;, but presumed it vjas somewhere in 
the garage parking area. ' He did not see these individuals 
identify themselves in any v.iay ^ and one of the men V7a3 
pushing on the leg of the tripod on the left side and had 
his head very low and in such a position that he could not 
see his face; the man on the right side was also pushing 
with his head down, and a t^ixrd individual was somewhere 
behind the camera with his/<^own bet^^/een his arms. He did 
not pay too much attention to this camera crew, but is 
under the impression there were three individuals pushing 
the camera. 

Also shortly before the shooting, a marlosd police- 
car left the basement and v/ent up the wrong direction on 
the Main Street ranp. This police car had its red light j\ 



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DL 44-1639 



flashing and thera were tnjo or three officers in the car. 
He did not renesber or could not say positively who these 
officers vjere. He could not remeru:ber the sequence of 
events at this point, in that he could not recall whether 
he sav7 the television caraera before the police car left or 
vice versa. In any event, shortly afterx-zards scjiecne 
shouted, "Here he comes," and LOIJERY loolced tcuards the 
jail office door and sacj Lieutenant SlIAIN emerge. An 
iiiGtant later, Captain FI^ITZ carie cut and he was follcjed 
by Detective J. R. LEAVELLE with 031JALD. LEAVELLE was 
handcuffed by his left arm to OSlJALD's right arm. These 
handcuffs were designed vjith three cuffs, ti;o of the cuffs 
were on OSWALD'S vjrist and one was on l.ZJ^VZL'L'E'' q xrrist. 
Another plain-clothes officer was holding OSU \LD by the 
left ara. He did not remeaber who this officer was. As 
CSVJALD came through the jail office door, the whole line 
of navsz::'^n and television people seeraed to cone f onward a 
stet). There were numerous flash bulbs popping and newsnen 
yelling at OSVIALD. Juot as OSU/iD end LE>.V»^LLE v;ere passing 
by LOUErvY, al3©Bt a foot or so away, a man lunged f orchard 
with a gun in his right hand, stuck the gun m OSWALD'S chest, 
and fired from a distance of about tijelve inches. Re saw 
the flash of fire from the pistol. The nan only took one 
step and thrust the gun forvjard at the same time and fired 
the shot, practically in one motion. He V7ent dov;n before 
he could fire another with several others on top of him. 
I-:e did not laiow vi^ho this individual was until his Iinti fell 
off in the melee and then saw it was JACK RUBY , whom he has 
loiovTn for several years. RUBY v-as disarmed and carried 
inside tiie jail office, RUBY caitie from the group of newsnien 
diagonally across from LOWERY, from the northeast. As the 
man lunged toward GSU/iLD, he yelled something X-;ith the 
expletive, "Son-of-»a-Bitch' in it. It could have been, 
"You dirty Son-of°a-Bitch." 

After the shooting, there was considerable con- 
fusion and he immediate y thought of the television crew 
who had gone through a fev» moments before and he went over 
in the area where he had la&t seen them. Detective CUTCHSEAU 



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DL 44-1639 

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apparently bad the sa^ie t'ac-oght, because CU'i.'CHSI-L.U also 
VJent over where they had been and they tallciea to the 
television crew, and both of thei-^i stated there were only 
ti-70 men pushing the carnera. He said he, LOUKRY , could 
not be positive there v;ere three, but thought there were 
three and CUTCESHAW also thought there v;ere three men. 
One of the tv^/o television crew said that they didn't 
Icncu anything about a third man. Lieutenant SUAIN vjas 
nearby and LOIJERY told him about the television crew and 
SUAIN instructed him to hold them and get r.iore details. 
The tV70 men with the cssiera, which LOWERY described as* 
a long-range camera, then wanted to go to the third floor 
and LG'JERY went v;ith them and stayed with them for about 
an hour and a half. He reported this to Lieutenant BAICER 
and was instructed to get the names, addresses and phone 
nu?abers of these t\;o television cre^Tmen, which he did, 
and gave this to Lieutenant BAKER subsequently. He recalled 
tnat one of these television people \j&3 JOHN ALEXAKDER, who 
was v/earing a blue-loold.ng topcoat, and the other was a thin 
boy, w.io was vjearing a light shirt. He thought it strange 
that the television crevy said there v/ere only ti-70 when both 
ha and CUTCHSi-IAW v^ere under the impression that three men 
were pushing the camera, and he thought it possible that '■"■ 
either RUBY or seme other person could have gotten into *'• 
the area with this dasa. He said he did not pay enough 
attention to the three to tJefinitely state that one of'^thea 
was RUBY. 

Detective LOWtiRY further stated that prior to 
the Lhooting there were three plain, urjaarked police cars 
l2.ned up just off the ramp leading to Commerce Street behind 
tne armored truck. One car had made the turn from the 
garage up^ the south ramp and the nose of the second car was 
just on the ramp and the third c£ll?; was just behind the 
second car. AIL of these cars had drivers. lie remembers 
tnat all three of the drivers were detectives from the 
Kcmicide Bureau and stated that, if his memory served him 
right, the driver of the first was Detective BECK and the 
second driver was Detective DHO;<ITY. He did not remember 
the driver of the third car. 



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Detective LOUERY has >>nov7n JACK RUBY for seven 
or eight years , having met hiia in connection irL'ch his police 
v7ork. LOWERY has been assigned to the Juvenile Bureau for 
&70 years and last saw RUBY about one year previously prior 
to the shooting of OSWALD. 

LOWERY has never been eraployed by RUBY in any 
capacity, either full tine or part time, and did not kncr.? 
if any Dallas Police Officers had ever been employed by hira 
in :.ay capacity. He stated he did not believe any had because 
of a police regulation to the effect that no Dallas Police 
Officer could be employed in any establishment that sold 
alcoholic beverages. 

Re did not see RUBY tallcLng to anyone and did 
not see or talk to RUBY at any time between November 22 and 
24, 1963. Ee said he had absolutely no information as to 
any association or relationship between RUBY and OSWALD. 



LowEBY Exhibit No. 5083 — Continued 




542 



MAIN ST. 




LowERY Exhibit No. 5084 



543 



Deoenli«r 1, 1965 



:.r. J. ■.♦ Gurr/ 
Chiof of Irolioe 



Bet Intftrviow of i'. L. Lovory 

Concvjmin^ :;ho>tln/; of I-oo Ilarvcy Oewald 



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h, L, Lovar; vas Intoi^lovcfl by 1 leutorit-iJ.ta C. C« allaca ■■■u(i 1'. C. 

^'cC;^<: r»-!n at 9»00 am on Kovomber ?9» 1965» '' "' Irterviov v.^a csssn- 

tially tr.e aa o : i: ii; orii^inal rcfort ated iovotber 27» VjCj>» . . ,. 
Lovcry h; d thie to a '.di 

I \oulii li.'-.a to civo in noro d^^il a rer-ort of tto ohootiji-": ^f l.ee 
2'arvov Ocv.ild. 

v-n .ur.i]a,v, Sovor.bor 2^, l9(J5i apf.roxi:) ■.^l;-' 9«00 am, CJ->icf "-?.?- 
C'cne to tS.o Juvcrils Bu-eau and toln hH luruau ; Toonnci 

i'. - • roxiir.-.taly lliG5 r>.n, "lovoEbor .-'f, Ca:'tatr4 .'arzijr. feci cor.-j 

with hi;-., ..t th-.t tiao, thooe frijs^-nt '.-.oret C. 3colnl)„ > . .. •.;;iiteh£:>.GW, 
". J. ilsrriKon, L. J. Jlillci, and C';,-solf, v-a want vit^-, •Ja.jtxir 'i.^rtir. 
to tr^ olevstor and vent to the bat^vjisent. 

.-i- vt» approached tho inf'Oi":>:ition ci- rny of.ic -. 

rintle8<i ' atroiaan T.'cl£if..n ^na h*> askod for idcr.ti.flc .ii:.n 1'; v;::. . , •._<, 
Thoro voro otbor ofrico o tf.aro in -riiforR;, yoisi^ibly r^^ccrv?c 1 

ccn't r^cill tie nanoo of &ny ot^c ' ;c--rs tbsr© at i 
jail cffio. Ca- t.' in Jrnoi; r.et ■ :" point 2.rr. ' 

by '.'or i'lxrt.iT instructiono. Ca.ti.ii; ^ o:ioo vent cut z . c . o 

oors into ranp ontranco and Captain J artin follo'~Gd hi. . 

-* fev :ir.ut3a Lator Ga- tain Jon'^c rotvirr.c. 

at ontion. I'o than told ol iicGrs to tGl;< 

of the- corridor, ^^Iso aoviood bot.:^ o' "icors 

f aition in tho rtinp aroa* ^o ea£;ca into ra i r i 

; osition at tho &' oarnor of tho corridor >-nd ih p uiivo way. 

At t -.3 tl:::© tovoral oth.^r of ricare took tholr poaitions on both oiuco 
of corridor frou jail of ice (ioar to ra p aroa. 

I boliova Cartain JonoB ro;aatcd 'lii' inotruotiona to i3V'M.4n0, that 
ho vo'..l'i like offioare to fon lino nn both oiJoe of corridor, unA .ilao 
inGtr-.JCtln." news ;:orEonoll vhoro th»»y cho'ilo Vo» Ko toll neve pooplo 
to .-^ot on oaat of rrunp drive, .""roa ny ronitlnni bocaiie of tho strong 
li,'-hta 3Qt up for tho TV oanera, I could not clo&rly oag tho poi itioa 
of all tho other offlooro* Dotootivo Coabost vas on ny i'.n.odiute loft* 



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LowEEY Exhibit No. 5085 



544 



.If tor taVin-; ny pos 2 tloitt I lo >l:t>ci t> a:y loft ijn<i aav lU'C u.-innwl 5 
TV C'l.-.cira, Kountod en tri,otl vit5. rollors, it; nppoarfld that tKoro \/ero 
t^r<io on puj-liin- tlio CM'.ora. uno wao l'\tnr iilor.tlfio.1 as John Alexander, 
*/'''/59» I coulil not a«o tho> fncoa of t:«nc throi* -on boccu^a i)\')y vera 
8t~or'>">d ovor vith hnf\(;a .Iovhi.t.b tV-:>y r.>llod punt ao, i5ovn u ftli Lt ' >- 
clino, tho O.I. ora nctod ao If it u.artod to tip ovor, ::.'.iC I ntoaiiod 
tho c:i.-.era viti. ny loft hand* Tho.. utoi-pod at tLo liotto:; of t).:- po <;i 
ra.;r nnd I huarJ ona of I !.(> acn oay " o Cin't i^'t u? horo." Truy t en 
tiovovl ti rouj-jh tho lino of nov/o-.d't n tha oast «i io of tho ranp, 

7vo or tl.roo cinutos lator, 1 hour.', eor.oono inal-lo Jail offica t.-y, iora 
he co.T.oo," I loohort to ny loft, t'^v.ii'.'. tl o JkH r-f ico -o.).-, end o'b- 
aorvod Lt« ;:valn tippoar throu .1". J; 11 o^ ice oor. .'..(. .^ ^ roxis-rwtuly 
1\ to 12 foot btihin.! Lt« --vain, C . t -in rita a '.uaio, .' .:. n-pvoxi'- 
tuitoly 5 ^t» bohind Captain t'rltr.. .' ob.-orvod otoc.lvo • o.v.'llo, 
vit;. v'ewald handcuffed to l-oavollo c l-ait a.' » . also Jiotic.;c! a d it ^c- 
tiv9 on Oswald's loft holdicg Oevrald's nrr., but didn't i-otico v! o tho 
v^::toot:iv:J was at that tlao. 

As I.oavclle and hia partner alon,; wit!, '-'owald, aproi- ■■ -v- - -" t; c 
Jail oi/ico nor, t( o proK.:- < ort;C!j;rtil In- ;...: to cr."- '; i: : v. - 

pic^tji-co a:"ia arkinc (j-ioetiun8» Vlld ;. :. l- net the .. ^ .. ' cLc. 

Aii c-i. tain Frits j:.'\s1i noj L.r.d e,s Loavclle, '..iG pr.rt.icr, ;:.d Oswald 
aprroachoJ say position, I nav a .• -.: 1 r o fror. th..-. cmv^: ■ { novor-cn, 
or:o-it'J ~i' poeition. >»8 t>:ii- li:n. ' .n.ard (.'X^.c: aing "i.is ri^rh': r:m, 

on.', firiritf ali oat sinultanc^oualy. 

Ca'-cld fvll tivck a etcy and Loav.illo, laid ••.•ov.-.l.T dov;i on t) o floor. 
At Vha Ba- >> instant tho el.ot veo firjd, zovvzrr.l oTicoro, I know 
Cutohs^av :ind Karrioon, ouhdusd tr.e nan vho firad t'o rhot, r.nd took 
t:.3 ly — frou hi:a. 

I rccocniaad tha r,an that Titai tYf> ah.ri; as Jack .^hy, I had not 
liotlcod Jack Aiib- bofoi'c ho fired to chos, I do know J.s,ck . uby by 
eight a.T.. h.'.vc nevor sosn hi;; in tls City ^'all, 

I acaistcd Gcvciral .thar ofricora t i".:o J.ack ^iib ■ in'-.o Jail ofiico, 
yl.ore ha w.i:; tjorirchod. I did not help taka hla upstaira, b.it ro.-ai:aod 
as aficvirity at tho jail oi'fico door. 

1 hava talkad to Faderal Bureau of Investigation Agent Sookont in 
fo^^arda to this inoidont* 



liespeotfully subnl,ttod, 

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Bui-glary & Theft Bureau 

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C* C* V'allnoo, Lioutenant 
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JOHN Q. MC CULLOUGH, Philadelphia Bulletin newspaper 
reporter, home address 6345 Woodbine Street, Philadelphia, Pa., 
advised he was in Dallas, Texas, covering,. the story of the 
assassination of the President, JOHN P. KENNEDY, from 7:15 p.m., 
Friday, November 22, I963, until approximately 7 p.m., Wednesday, 
November 27, I963. He said that at all times he was at the 
Dallas Municipal Building where Dallas, Texas, Police Depart- 
ment is located and in the vicinity of the rooms used by the 
police department, that he had to use his press card for 
Identification . 

He said that on November 24, I963, he went to Dallas, 
Texap, Police Department headquarters located on the third 
floo. of the Municipal Building and arrived there around ten 
o'clock. He had to show his credentials to gain entrance. 

Chief of Police CURRY, Dallas, Texas, Police Depart- 
ment, was talking to a number of reporters regarding the 
transfer of LEE HARVEY OSWALD from the police department to 
county authorities. Among the things CURRY mentioned, was 
that the police department, during Friday night and early 
Satxirday morning, had received several anonymous telephone 
calls threatening action against OSWALD for having allegedly 
shot the President. One caller said that they did not want 
to hurt any police officers, but they would get the S©Q.B. 
OSWALD. 

MC CULLOUGH went to the basement where OSWALD would 
be leaving the building about 10:30 a.m. He again had to show 
his credentials when he got off of the elevator. From the 
elevator he went to the basement garage area, where a vehicle 
would take OSWALD to the county authorities. He again had to 



12/1/63 Philadelphia, Pa. ^. „PH 44-767 

On at File ff 



by 



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SAs JOHN R. WINEBERG & 

STANLEY S. CZARNECKI / era Dot. dictoud 12/1/63 

This documant contains nalthar recommandatlona nor concluaiona of tha FBI. It ta Iha proparty of tha TBI and la loaned to 
your oqancy; \\ and Ita contanta ora not to ba dlatrlbutad outalda your aqancy. 

McCuLLOUGH Exhibit No. 2 



547 



PH 44-767 



Show his cx^dentials when he came Into this Immediate area. 
He also said he noticed the police checking police cars In 
this underbround parking area, to see that no one was In the 
automobiles, and that they were also taking shotguns out of 
the patrol cars, which are normally kept In them. 

An xmknown Dallas, Texas, Police Department sergeant 
was heaz»d by MC CULLOUQH to say these guns had been placed In 
the police department property room. MC. CULLOUQH estimated 
that there were probably fifty police officers In uniform In 
the basement area, some armed with 12 -gauge shotguns. 

He said that a crowd of approximately 100 people were 
gathered outside the entrance to the basement, where the armored 
tinick would leave the building, when It transported OSWALD away. 
Shortly after HC CULLOUQH got to the basement, these onlookers 
were made to go to the other side of the street by the police. 
The crowd was a well-ordered group, according to MC CULLOUQH, 

An unknown police officer told MC CULLOUQH that the 
armored truck that was being used to transport OSWALD was to 
keep OSWALD from being shot with a high-powered rifle which 
could have been used to better advantage If he were being 
transported In a police sedan or van. MC CULLOUQH said the 
clearance for the truck was Insufficient to allow it to get 
completely Into the building, because of heating ducts pro- 
truding from the celling. MC CULLOUQH said he and several 
other reporters attempted to walk over to the truck to examine 
the Inside but were prevented from doing so by a police officer. 

A captain of the Dallas, Texas, police department, 
whose name MC CULLOUQH did not know, briefed the press on the 
procedure that wouJLd- be followed at the time OSWALD was being 
taken throxigh the basement to the armored truck. They were 
toldi'they could stand along the line of the passageway which 
OSWALD would take going from the "booking room" and across the 



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548 



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basement to the truck. When notice was given that OSWALD was 
in the basement, the press waa not to follow after him, trying 
to question him or step out in the way of the group. OSWALD 
was to be brought down from the fourth floor cellblock of the 
building on a special elevator that carries the prisoners 
between the fourth floor and the "booking room" in the base- 
ment. MC CULLOUGH estimated that it was approxlmriately fifty 
feet from this elevator to the spot where the truck wa.s 
located. He said that this briefing took place at approxi- 
mately 11 a.m. 

He said there was a police car unmarked, parked 
right behind the truck, and shortly after a green police car 
was parked behind that car. They had both come from the parking 
area in the garage. 

The area of the corridor that OSWALD was to T-^-alk 
through was well lighted as a result of the need for light 
for television cameras. At lis 20 a.m.. Captain J. W, FRITZ, 
Dallas, Texas, Police Department, came from the booking room 
a few feet ahead of OSWALD and the two officers guarding him, 
and surveyed the area as he walked. MC CtJLLOUGH said at tliat 
time he was standing on a railing approximately fifteen fe^t 
away from the passageway where OSWALD would pa 3^. At the time 
OSWALD came out of the booking rc-jffl on his wa^/ to the arKir,T=ed 
truck, the, area from which RUBY" -.ame was cori^ested with tele- 
vision cameras, reporters and ptlioe. However, MC CITLLOUGH 
noted the movement of an individual, who later was identified 
as JACK RUBjT^ moving toward OSWALD as he vra],ked dovm the 
passageway between reporters and police officers. MC CTJLLOIJC-H 
estimated tl-^at by the time RL^BT got to OSWALD, he only had to 
go five to ten feet to put the gim in OSWALD'S stomach. MC 
CULLOUGH did not see miBI^s right hand until he shoved it into 
OSWALD'S stomach. At no time did MC CULLOUGH see RUBZ's face. 

MC CULLOUGH said that immediately after the shooting. 



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PH 44-767 

4 

he heard someone say JACK, you ri— o~ a b . Shortly after 

the shooting. Detective COMBiAST told MC CULLOUGH that It was 
he who said this when he recogrr.i^ed liE&'^T, 

Later that evening, MC CULI.OUGH went hack to his 
hotel and saw pictures of RUBY on television. Ke then recalled 
that on Friday night, Ncverober 22, I963, when he had first got 
to Dallas, Texas, he was at the third floor of the Municipal 
Building outside of the police headquarters. At some time 
around midnight, he stood on a cigarette ash stand to get a 
better view of the area. As he wa.s getting down from the 
stand, he bumped a roan rather abruptly with his elbow. Ke 
turned to apologize to the man and noted that this ma.n was 
carrying a blue and white box with "Alliaaimarl-' stamped on it.' 
This box was about eight inches by five inches and approxi- 
mately three inches deep. After MC CDI-LOUGH had seen RUlTT's 
picture on .television, he was certain that this was the 
individual he had bumped on Friday. He said this individ^Jial 
was wearing at that tim^e a blue top coat and gray pork pie ha.t 
which was wool, rather than felt. This was a different hat 
than RUBY had at the time he shot OSWALD. 

Approximately one h«ur latPi-p that night, whi<^h >^-%n 
proba' ly early Saturday morning, N:ivember 23, I963, the TXalla-'^?, 
Texas, police department had a preE?3 conference at whir-h OSWALD 
was allowed to be photographed and pom.e questions asked by the 
press. The conference was held in the "line-up ro:m" of the 
Dallas, Texas, police department and la^^ted approximately ten 
to fifteen minutes. KG CHLI^OlvaH estimated that there wer- at 
least 100 pe^le present. He did net see RSJBT then, but aftf-r 
WJWf shot OSWALD, Justice of the Feace DAVID L. JOflNSTON. wYi^^ 
handled OSWALD'S arraignment, told MC CIILLOUllH ^f%€^ OSWALD'S 
death, that immediately after this conference, RUFY came ;ip t's 
JOiiNSTON, introduced himself and gave JOItMSTON a busj.ness .--ard 
advertising the "Carousel Club" night spot which RTJTBY ownel. 
MC CULLOTOH said JOHNSTON told him that the dress of KUBI was . 



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PH 44-767 

5 

the ssune as MC CTJLLOIKJH had noted approximately an hour earlier. 

MC CUIaLOUGH said that on Sunday, November 24, I963, 
following the shooting of OSWALD, several reporters, whose 
Identities -hJa:* did not know, mentioned that on P'riday night and 
early Saturday morning, RUBY had passed out these same busi- 
ness cards with advertising on thera concerning the "Carousel" 
night club. They were gray cards with red printing. The 
reporters had gotten the cards from RUEY in the Municipal 
Building around the police department, 

MC CULLOUGH, who said he had traveled on campaign 
trips with former President KENNEDY and also on presidential 
trips with fonner president EISENHOVfER, said that in his 
opinion the security maintained by the Dallas, Texas, police 
department during the weekend of the Pi'esident's assassination 
was good, considering the tremendous number of press and tele- 
vision people which were there, and also the great amount of 
coverage given the story through radio and television. He said 
he recalls of no instance of any unauthorized individual being 
around the police department, with the exception of Friday night 
when he accidentally bumped into JACK RUBY. 

I 

MC CULLOUGH said he had no information that anyone 

had conspired with RUBY to kill OSWALD, or that there had bean 

any indication that any police officer had wilfu.lly allowed 

the shooting of OSWALD. 

MC CULLOUGH also advised that he had no infoi'mation 
regarding any relationship between RUBY and OSWALD prior to 
the time of the killing of OSWALD. 



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McCuLLOuGH Exhibit No. 2 — Ck)ntinued 



5-51 



rD-302 (R.». 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

1 Date November 29, 196-3 



DAKNY PATRICK McCI.T(DY, on being contacted In Abilene, 
Te;xas, furnished the following information: 

His residence is 1424 Plowman Street, Dallas, Texas, 
telephone number- WHltehall 6-1590o He is empl<>jod as a 
disc Jokey at KLl^ radio station, 2104 Jackson Street, Dallas. 
M-CURDY advised there are four telephone lines leading Into 
r-.^ radio statbn at night. One, Riverside 7-6000, called the 
contest line. It is well known to the public although not 
listed „ Number two and three lines. Riverside 7-9039 and 
Riverside 7-9030, are known as hot lines and known only to 
stallion personnel and newsiffl;?t), In the area^ Number four. 
Riverside 7-9319 is known as' "Jock line" and known to the 
disc jQkeys and all personnel of the station relative of 
station employees and a few select frX.Aulis, of station, employees, 

McCURDY advised when a call comes in over Riverside 
7-93I9, there is a large white light flaw-jnes over the console 
or i^ftatrol board, this being in the disc^Jokeys room. 

He adl^ised that on the morning of November 23, 1963 
at about 1: 00 Ay;';^,thls Jock line rang and McCURDY answered. 
lipe caller said, "Are you RUSS", believed to have reference 
to RUSSELL MQSJffi (RUSS KNIGHT'), another disc Jokey who works 
from 7:00 P.M. to 12:00 midnight. McCURDY advised he 
Informed the caller of his identity and the caller identified 
himself saying, "This is JACK RUBY and I have some sandwiches 
and drinks for the guys at the station". McCURDY stated he 
told RUBY to wait at the front door at the foot of the stairs 
which is kept locked,, McCURDY advised that some 15 or 20 
minutes later, he ran down stairs and opened the front door 
and RUBt was waiting with sandwiches and drinks. He advised 
RUBY accompanied him upstairs to the control room and news> 
room. He advised the sandwiches and drinks were taken into 
the news room which adjoins the disc Jokey room or Control 
room, operated by McO\X5v''^^^ij 

McCURDY advised the fol^^wing individuals were on 
duty or present in the ijtsws room at the time RUBY was there: 

GLEN DUNCAN, Night Newsman; 



on 11/29/63 ^, Abilene, Texas ^.^^ ^ DL 44-1639 

by Sp.ciol Ag.nt COLEr/IAN MABRAY/jn / f/ ^' Oat. dictofd 11/29/63 



Date dictated 

y^r an^^Z'.''i,VlW,'" "•."'"' '•<=°"'»"''<*atlon. nor conclu.lon. of th. FBI. It 1. th. prop.rty ol lh« FBI and U loan.d to 
your agency; It and It* contants or* not to b« dUtrtbutad oulaldo your agency. 

McCuRDY Exhibit No. 1 



552 



2 

UL 44-1639 



RUSSELL MOORE (RUSS KN.tGH^), disc Jokey, who works the 
7:00 PoM. to midnight shl|;t and had_iua.t gone ofX-diity; 
First Name Unknown PAPPAS, newsman for WNEW, Radio, 
New York City, New York. 

McCURDY advised he talked to RUBY less than five 
minutes during which time RUBY expressed hoi^'tsorry he was 
that the President got killed and said ''I'm going to close 
up until Monday because of all thi3"„ McCURDY advised 
RUBY stated "I had rather lose $12,000 to $15,000 than-^~"«=^-' --- 
not be able to live mIUt myself later on", 

McCURjIY advised that this ended his conversation 
with RUBY, that he re-entered the disc jokey room„ McCURDY 
advised that RUBY seemed to be slightly upset and stood look- 
ing at the floor, however, did not seem to be extremely 
emotionalo He advised RUBY was dressed in a business suit 
and wearing a hato He noted nothing unu$ual about his body 
that Would indicate he was wearing a gun and he saw no gun. 

McCURDY advised RUBY visited and talked with the 
other individuals in the news room but he has no idea as 
to their conversation. He adViaed RUBY was at the station 
j for about ope or one and one-half hours. McCURDY believed 
I that RUBY'S express purpose was to t)ring them something to 
i eat. He advised, hovjever, RUBY has never, to his knowledge, 
i been at the station before nor since. He advised he had 
met RUBY one time before, some weeks ago at RUBY'S club. 
So far as McCURDY known, RUBY is not a personal friend of 
anyone at the station. 

McCURDY advised he had no idea how RUBY obtained 
the telephone number at the station as rione of the above 
mentioned numbers are listed in the telephone directory. 
He advised that the listed or public telephone number of 
the station is Riverside 7-9311. 



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K3 is employed ss a Dotec^/ " i349ji by the 
Dallas, Texas, Police Dupartra&nt, a; ^d to the Auto 

Thiift Bureau, Criminal InvestigaticLi -:^.^.;_^-. ^:A has vjorkcd 
in this capacity approximately 7 years. 

Or. November 24, 1963„ ' ' :00 a.m. to 

3;00 p.m. shift.0 About 10s 00 a SKA, HI advised 

all detectives in the Auto Thsf t Eui „_,u co _ , About 
11:10 a. a.. Lieutenant SI-IART instructed all z in that 
siiction to proceed to the basement of the cil^' i^-j-l telling 
thca that they were planning to move OSVJALD to the coimty 
jailo 



After arriving in the bascrcr 
Lt, SIL'.RI' advise-d the dctectivts th 
forri two lanes on cither sido of th- - 
office door. Kc^KKLLON stated hs too;: ;; 
north v«ail Just outside the Jail door. 
:.ic.n in line oC-^t fr-- i>v- ''■--'''. r'~~-^_ 



cf the city h~ll, 

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Jrciu thi jiil office door„ £h.ci 
FRITZ camo out of the jail offi 
._..^.^ in front of McIdLLON he said. " 
right?" i:;;KILLON stated he answer, 
not toow if the Captain was talkiri^ ^^ . 
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Ex. No. 5017 



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McMILLON,T.D. 
Dallas 



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by Spocicl Agon;e_ 



ALLm H. SMITH and 



Deposition_ 
3-25-6A 



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your agency; It and Its contents are not to be distributed outside your aqencj 



PM. j^ Dallas 44-1639 

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McMiXLON Exhibit No. 5017 



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DL 44-1639 
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was OSWALD with Detective LEAVELLE handcuffed to OSWALD'S 
right hand, McMILLON did not recall the name of the detective 
on OSWALD'S left. Another detective, whose name he couldnot 
recall followed OSWALD. Just as OSWALD and the detectives 
passed McMILLON, he turned to his left to follow this group 
knd almost instantaneously saw a man lunge out of the crowd 
about three feet in front of OSWALD and to OSWALD'S left. 
This man appeared to take one step and he was observed to have 
a gun in has right hand. This man was in a crouched position 
and seemed to bring the gun up from below hip level and take 
a step and move in on OSWALD all in one motion. This man 
hollered at OSWALD, "You rat S— of B— -, you shot the President/ 
and at the same time fired one shot. McMILLON stated he 
immediately reached for the gunman's right forearm and ^bout 
the same time several other officers reached the gunman and 
all went down onto the floor. There was a struggle on the 
floor to subdue this man and one of the officers took the 
gun from the man. This man was hollering during the 
struggle, "I hope I killed the S— of B-— . I hope I 
killed the S— of B— ." McMLLLON stated that he and the 
other officers who had subdued this man took him into the 
jail office. En route the man hollered, "Don't you know 
."^ho I am? I'm JACK RUBY J' McMILLON stated he still had 
bhis man by the right forearm all the v/ay into the jail 
Dffice, There they laid him face down on the floor and 
tiandcuffed him behind his back, using McMILLON's handcuffs. 
\IcMILLON recalled that detectives ARCHER and R. C. V/AGNER, 
and other detectives whose names he does not recall were handling 
.^UBY in the jail office. Ka stated they got RUBY on his feet 
bo take him to the jail el&vator and at this time he noticed 
bhat OSWALD was also laying on his back in the jail office on 
bhe floor with other officers around OSWALD, They took RUBY 
bo the jail elevator and to the fifth floor. McMILLON recalled 
bhat detectives CLARDY, ARCHER, and Captain KING and possibly 
Dthers, were in the elevator that took RUBY to the fifth 
rioor. On the fi^th floor RUBY was strioped and searched and,?, ,f? 
Left dressed only in his shorts. About this time, Mr. SORREL'' t 
Df the Secret Service office came to the fifth floor to talk W' 
tio RUBYo RUBY was talking freely and said that he had read 
Ln the papers ttet JACKIE KENNEDY might have to come to Texas 
;o testify and that OSWALD did not deserve a trial for what 
le had done and that he, RUBY, thought he would save the 
-axpayers time, trouble, and money. RUBY said that he was 



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not trying to be a hero and that what he did he did on his 
own as a spur of the raoraent thing. RUBY said this, meaning 
his shooting of OSV/ALD, could not h-ave been more perfect in 
timing because Just at the time he arrived in the police 
department basement they were bringing OSWALD out of the 
jail door. SORREL^S.V; asked RUBY if he had done this on his 
own and RUBY again stated that no one else was in on the deal 
and that it was a spur of the moment action. 

Those present while SORRELS was interview ingi-,' RUBY 
were Detectives McMILLON, CLARDY;, ARCHER, and possibly some 
of the Jail personnel whose names he did not recall. RUBY 
was also asked how he got into the basement to which he 
replied that he had been to the Western Union Office, had walked 
down IVIain Street to the down ramp in the police department and 
proceeded dovm the east side of this ramp. He, RUBY, entered 
this ramp at the time a police car was coming out onto the 
street. This police car was driven by Lt, PIERCE. While 
going down the ramp an officer, according to RUBY, ha2ilered 
at him and said something to the effect, "Hold it a minute," 
or "where are you going there," but RUBY said he did not 
slow down, ducked his head, and had his hat pulled down and 
walked on, RUBY said he knew he could act like a reporter. 
RUBY continued that Just as he got to the bottom of the ramp 
the police were bringing OSWALD out and he, RUBY, Jumped 
out of the crowd and shot OSWALD. McMILLON continued that 
RUBY also said he was surprised that he, RUBY, only got 
one shot off and that he thought he could get at least 
three shots off. RUBY said the police moved faster than he 
figured . 

McMILLON stated that RUBY was asked how he knew 
OSWALD and had shot OSWALD and not a police officer. RUBY 
replied that he had been to a press conference ^on Friday 
night in the police station show-up room and saw OSWALD 
there. McMILLON stated that he does not recall that RUBY 
was asked how he gained admission to this conference, but 
continued that RUBY said that during this conference District 
Attorney WADE was being interviewed and made several references 
to the Pfeir Play for Cuba and the Free Cuba groups and indicated 
that they were one and the same group but RUBY claimed that he 
corrected WADE, telling him (WADE), that these groups were not 
the same and that they were opposing and conflicting organi- 
zations. McMILLON stated that RUBY was not questioned as to 
how he corrected District Attorney WADE or he, RUBY, had 
knowledge of these organizations. 



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4 

Sometime during tha lxit^-t'C0:^atl<m of RUBY, SORREL'S::^ 
departed and Agent Ki^L fro.a th^s FBI arrived „ McMILLON stated 
that he vras unable to identify the officers present during any 
given period while RUBY vjas boins interviewed but stated 
that all statements ho has attributed as being made by RUBY 
were made in his (McMILLON' s) presence 

McMILLON continued that because he^ CLARDY and 
ARCKSR we^r® assigned to the Auto Theft Bureau and knex^ that 
ariothar police bureau would handle RlJliYs, they did not attempt 
to interrogate RUBY but stood by to assist in handling RUBY 
while he was being interrogated by SORREL-LS and HALL. McMILLON 
itated that Detectives from the Homicide Bureau relieved the 
aforementioned detectives and himself about 3»30 p.m. 

McMILLON stated tliat he has known RUBY approximately 
aix years and that he first met RUBY at RUBY'S Vegas Club 
that was located on his police beato D-uring this six year 
period he has seen RUBY at other clubs and at other times 
while on police work. McMILLON i:as never vjorked for, RUBY in 
any capacity and knows of no police officer who has itorked 
for RUBY. McMILLON continued that he has heard that police 
officers have been alleged to vjork for RUBY but that a police 
department order prohibits police officers from working on their 
off hours at any establishments vjhich sell liquor. McMILLON 
said that possibly people thought that police officers worked 
at these establishments because they may have seen special 
officers in these places. He explained that the Special 
Services Division - Vice Squad, Dallas Police Department, has 
employees known as Special Officers v^ho are assigned to work 
night clubs, taverns, and other such establishments. These 
employees are part time city employees but are not part of 
the Dallas Police Department and they are regulated by the Special 
Services Division. These Special Officers wear a uniform similar 
to the Dallas Police Department unifoi'm with the exception of 
shoulder patches, insignias, and badges. These Special Officers 
are paid by the City of Dallas and he is of the opinion that the 
city is reimbursed by the establish^nents where the Special Officers 
are assigned. 

McMILLON continued that he knew of no overall security 
measures in effect on November 24, 1963, and handled his assignment 
as directed by Lt. SMART and Captain JONES. He did observe that 
uniformed officers were in the basement v^hen he, McMILLON, and 
other detectives went to the basement and that these uniformed 
officers were checking people there for proper identification. 



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ll'S Im^u of no \r:^t:.:dih.2^:L-^v-l :;.Ci.^'Jona being permitted to 
enter the basement o Ha cbE:':.?";/^^ j-sv ..-ii'aus police officers and 
press 5 TV and radio pai-^^cmt'iil but did not give an estinato 
of the r.raiber of peoDLi triors , }Jhl-illI>Cil^ atatcd he last sCw 
RUBY prior to his^, pJjBY's^ Bhoolii^x *"'SMAL.D, oo November 24, 
19635 about two or thr^^'^e montlL5 proVlcuslyp but he did not 
recall vmere he saw RDBY. MoMI/I-Oil Iiaa tjo l^ysowledge of any 
relationship between R'OBY and OSbJALI?, McMILLON added that 
while RUBY was being interview ed hy HALL^ RUBY told HALL that 
h'?^ RUBY^ had se&n £u article in a i.-allai^ newspaper by BERI^JARD 
WEISKAH that vjas derogator;/ to K:ei:;:ii;L>Y and RU&Y wanted HALL 
to check WEISMAN outo RUBY appCiSred to be vary concerned about 
this nsijapaper article and RUBY stated that he had gone to the 
Post Office to try to find out \rho IvEISMN was and his address. 

McMILLON ccntinu&d tlxat Fl(/.BY ix?as also talking about 
another police officer, L. G. i-lTjLLilKAX^ who had.bsen killed .in 
Dallas abouG a year ago who had bean cpdrating in an undercover 
capacity and the accus&d iiiller' was "no hilled" in court. 
RUBY said he thought of killin;!; this aecuB&d man because 
he got off without being puni^J.od and ha^, RU'BY^ thought 
OSV/ALD raight get off for kill in .5 Officsr TIFFTS . and the 
President o McMILLON concluded that h& did not recall 
RUBY being questioned in detail concerning the above 
related incid«ints o 



/7 7 ^ ^'^ ^^' 



McMnxoN Exhibit No. 5017 — Continued' 



560 



O O .4 * 

DL 44-1639 -^ v , '»' ir 

Cf,^ it 

"Nov&iaberf 2?) 1963 "< 



A 



"Mr. J. E. Curry 

Chief of Police ^ 

"Sir: •^:^ 

"I should like to submit tho following report regarding the ."^ v^ 

incident occurring in tho baaenent on November 24, 1963. ^^ \n 

"On November 24, 1963, I was assigned to the basement of the City ;^_tif 

Hall at approximately 11:10 a.cj. for ths purpose of security in C:^" 
the transferring of Lee Harvey Osvrald from tho City Jail, to the 
-^ County Jail. I was stationed near tho jail office door v/hich 



?^ 



V exits ^ onto the rasjp leading in a northerly direction tov/ard '^ 

"^ Uain Street. Detective L. D. Miller v/as stationed to my imrsediate 

iV right and I was the second person from tho door on the north side ^^^"''^ 

T'-^ of the hallway which leads to the jail office door, I do not know ' / 

! '^ who was on my left. /-• ,'jl 

h "At approximately 11:25 a.ja. Captain Fritz came out of the jail 'fiX 

office door and asked if everythiTig vas all right, and I ansv/crjs^d, 
"';^ "Yes sir." I do not know if he was speiking directly to me. >?V70 
'^ X Homicide detectives were holding onto the prisoner escort ins^hin, 
^ ^ and I recognized Detective Leaveils on the prisoner's ief-t-; Captain 
^ ^v ■ Fritz had proceeded past me and the two Homicido detectives with 
^ >> . the prisoner had proceeded slightly past me. As the prisoner was 
,\f^ '■'^'^ even with mc , I made a left face which caused rae to be walking in 
\s^<c^ a southeasterly direction. Just as I had taken about one or two 
>^ steps in forming the barrier on the north side of the prisoner, a' 
man jumped from somev.'hero slightly to ay right and in front of me. 
I ■ heard this man yell, "You rat son-of— a--bitch, you shot the 

President." I saw the man as ha appeared to jump or lunge foward 

the prisoner. I sav/ a short barrel revolver and heard one shot. I 
attempted to grab this man by the right arm and could: still see the 
revolver. But after I had gotten ho3d of this man's right arm, 
several more officers were also trying to subdue him. At this 
point, I was on the floor just outside the jail office and the 
man said, "I hope I kjtlled the rat son=of-a-bitch." I do not know 
who took the gun from this loan, but Detectives Archer, Chambers, 
• Clardy, Waggoner, and some' more" officers took, this man into the 
jail office and at the time he was on the floor and I recognized 
him as Jack Ruby, V/e placed my handcuffs on this man and Detectives 
Clardy, Archer, and Captain King, and I took this man directly to the 
fifth floor men's jail,, after a prelirainary search in the jail office, 
I^vi'lj-o "T ^^'^-^ / ' ' ^ 

VvA- v'vx^ iWJl'l;^^ Ex.No.5018 MclJlILLON,T.D. Deposition_ 

,. l-Z ^' ' L- Mr Dallas 3-25-6^ /- <p r> /-^ 

McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5018 



561 



DL 44-1639 



"On the fifth floor raon's Jail w© instructed Jailers to search 
this. man and strip him leaving him clad in only his shorts, W© 
also instructed the jailers to notify th© jail doctor to come and 
examine this man. 

"Detectives Clardy, Archer, and I stayed with this pris«2»a»3r'"i!r"om 
11:25 a.m. until relieved by Homicide detectives at approximately 
3:25 p.m. During the time we were with this man, he was 
interrogated by Mr, Sorrells of Secret Service and Mr, Kail of 
the F,B.I. He was contacted by an attorney, Mr. Tom Soward, and 
he was examined by Dr. Bieberdorf when we were relieved by 
Homicide officers, ' . . 

"Detectives Clardy, Archer, and I assisted in getting this man 
from the fifth floor jail to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau. 



"V 



"Respectfully submitted, 

/s/"T, D. McMillon 
T. D. McMillon 

Detective 

Criminal Investigation Dlvisioz 



C^S'. 



McMillon Exhibit No. 5018 — Continued 



562 



FDooj (R.». 3.3.S9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

1 Dot. 'n./2^/e>, 



Mr. T. D. MC MILLAN, Detective, CID, Auto Theft Bureau, Dallas 
Police Department, Dallas, Texas, informed that he was instructed by- 
Lieut enant V. S. SMART of the Auto Theft Bureau to report to the basement 
In ccnnectlon with the oeeurlty detail on November 2i*, 1963. Ha itatad 
that he went to the basement at approximately 11:10 AM, He stated that 
upon reaching the basement he was stationed near the Jail office door 
which exits onto the ramp leading in a northerly direction toward Main 
Street. He said that he was instructed to walk along with the prisoner 
aTter he arrived and assist in guarding the prisoner from the sides. He 
stated that Detective L. D. MILLER was stationed to his immediate right, 
and that he, MC MILLAN, was the second person from the door on the north 
side of the hallway which leads to the Jail office door. MC MILLAW said 
that he did not know who was on his left, 

Mr. MC MILLAN said that at 11:25 AM, Captain WILL FRITZ came 
out of the jail office door and asked if everything was all right. 
MC MILLAN said that he answered "Yes sir". MC MILLAN said that Captain 
FRITZ had proceeded past him, and the two homlpide detectives with the 
prisoner had Just passed him, MC MILLAN. Mr, MC MILLAN said as the 
prisoner was even with him, MC MILLAN, he made a left face which caused 
him, MC MILLAN, to be walking in a southeasterly direction. Mr. 
MC MILLAN related that as he had taken about one or two steps in 
forming the barrier on the north side of the prisoner, a man Jvmrped 
from somewhere slightly to his, MC MILLAN 's, right and in front of 
MC MILLAN, Mr. MC MILLAN said that he heard this man say "You rat, son- 
of-a-bitch. You shot the President," MC MILLAN said the man appeared 
to Jump or lunge towards the prisoner, Mr, MC MILLAN advised that he 
saw a short barrel revolver and heard one shot. He stated that he 
attempted to grab the man by the right arm and could stiOJL see the 
revolver. Mr. MC MILLAN said he grabbed hold of the man's arm and held 
onto it even tho\jgh more officers assisted in subduing the individual 
with the gxm. He stated that while he, MC MILLAN, and the other 
officers were subduing the man with the gun, MC MELLAN heard the 
individual say "I hope I killed the rat son-of-a-bitch. " Mr. MC MILLAN 
said that he also recalls the individual said at least twice "Don't you 
know who I am? I am Jack Ruby. " 

Mr. MC MILLAN related that Detectives ARCHER, CHAMBERS, CLARDY 
and WAGGONER took the man into the Jan office, and at this time Mr. 
MC MILLAN recognized the man who had shot the prisoner as JACK RUBY. He 



. 11 /2^/6^ at Da J J . as, TrtM;!^ Fil. # dl iat-i^?Q 

GEORGE W. H. CARI^ON AND 
f Sp.ciol Ag«nt8 PAUL LpgCOTT; mm . Dot. dictated 'i'i/^^/f^J 

lU docuAAnt contains n»lth«r racommandatlona nor conclualons of th* FBI. It U th« proparty of th« FBI and U loaned to 
lurtxqabcy; It and Its contsnts ars not to bit dlatrlbutod etttslc^^yieur agsnoy. 

McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5019 



563 



DL kk-1639 

GWHC,PLS;maia 

2 



stated that after RUBY was handcuffed he was taken to the fifth floor, 
Men's Jail, and that he, MC MILLAN, stayed with RUBY \mtil about 
3:25 PM, 

Mr, MC MTT.T.A TJ stated that he has known JACK RUBY since about 
1957^ at which time he made a call to the Vegas Club to assist an 
officer in piflT^-ty^g an arrest. He stated that he met RUBY at that time 
and has seen him around town ever since, 

Mr* MC MILLAN stated that RUBY told him, MC MTT.T.AIT, that he, 
RUBY, walked dovra the ramp from Main Street on the east side. RUBY 
said that he, RUBY, had been to the Western Union and sent $25,00 to 
a girl in Ft. Worth and then walked to the police and courts biiilding. 
MC MILLAN said that RUBY stated that he, RUBY, could not have timed it 
better. Mr, MC mtt.t.atm said that he asked RUBY if RUBY was challenged, 
and RUBY said that one policeman, whom he did not name, hollered at him 
RUBY, and RUBY said that he, RUBY, Just ducked his head and kept on 
going. Just as he, RUBY, arrived at the bottom of the rainp. OSWALD 
appeared, 

Mr, MC MILLAN said that he asked RUBY how he knew LEE HARVEY 
OSWALD, and RUBY replied that he, RUBY, was present on Friday night 
(November 22, I963) at the press conference, at which time OSWALD was 
also present, 

Mr, MC MTT.T.ATJ stated that he has no idea how RUBY got into 
the area, and that he Just seemed to have appeared from nowhere. 



McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5019 — Continued 



•564 




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McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 



565 



p/9-A5.r\) P/^evn -TW^e. ZJ^oA^ ^^ ^ T//Af^- /V S AT^ ^./"DA. '/. 



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Mcmilon Exhibit 5020 



McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 — Continued 
566 



v^ 






f^ r^^* X^ /^ii~A'f*T:> -r^-z-i* r^f^A/ yM£-C "^»t*_ i^JiJCT. _ - 

"7^ ^'^r7^^^r2i.-c> "To f/^flte 7^/i /^/^ry 0^ y::^^ , 




McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 — Ck)ntinued 



567 



S»^/'a^x::> ^/=/^/'o.a^ y^-xJio yTi^jR, ,/j?HW ^^,x> "3=^ ./V«t»/>i* ,2i:^_ 

/»/:»/V -715 V i fr es-cs T^y . To 7^^. ..^T>>^ fJ^^ct fU0:/)J'i <^tL 






McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020— Continued 
568 



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McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 — Continued 



569 



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McMiLLON Exhibit No. 5020 — Continued 
570 



I. ■ licply. Please Refer to 
File No. 



UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 
FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



WASniNGTO^f 25, D. C 



13 recording v:".- 
■:^-CGti£atioa by - 
; FrcEicIcnt KOii-^:.^.j 



tiT.nrTc;rii">t cf a tr"o recording. 






-ijwiiiioo Cwllinj I."r- 



ricrl:hs^, ploasi 



iiz:i: 



nil. 



Helen Marldiam. Exhibit 1 



Makkham Exhibit No. 1 



571 



l-ielen Klarldiam E:diibit i 



'^hanli: you 



Yoico: 



r-.-.r.lc Go ahcrid lolocco 

Vclca: 



llrirl: Lr.nc; Cl.) : My na-.ii- is £!r, Lcno. I '1:1 en c.^-: 
Investic'atinrj tha Csv/ald cc,30» 

Helen ::s.rl-:.-;.; CM): Yes. 



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r.oz :.-i^:. -:.:::; directly to v: . 






the shoot-isj of Officer Tipr. 




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Uli, I v,-or.dcr if you v/ill ba soocl 


J3 toll 




rie, uh, 1 havo your afficavit T;Ii_- 


.. ^..v\j vLo 




polico ou that cay. 






^M^i-^,'j^^?f-^.v^^i*^^E?^aasL. 





Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



572 



i"1niii 'ti7rifT.T''T1imniftiillfWtT'" 

Leo Itirv 



And, X*vo that, o; 
bo cood cnou::;li to 
sorry. 2 vi'or.aer . 
no tho de^criptic: 

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Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



744-731 O— 64— vol. XX- 



-38 



5<5 







iflHHBta 


Helen ;.i_rku;- 


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:.:.., t:..- did Kot. 




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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



574 



1.1 o "r. i,*voy Cs^JViM 



L: 



-lookit 



J. \...^u ^ 



lOOG. I 



Helen. Marl-diain Exlxibit i 



Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



575 



i"3c: 



Helen Marklaam. E:^J^ibit 1 




CU C?,VJ it C-Op V'.T.:.: t,:2n (..-O, 




Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



576 



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1- .r,vy cidD r-nd had olislitly hxicliy lir.ir? 




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— ..^.^^ Markham Exhibit 1 


Hi 



Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



•577 






HeLen Markhara il:diibit 1 







^ litiio : 



_j\i.'u iMii 



Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



578 



-.-.0 out iu tl'.^ open nt tlin,t tino. 



; no one- t-v^ro but ne ;. ,/. Tippit 



-i coins 



Helen Markhain. Exliiuxi. 



Makkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



579 



rielen jv..arlci::-:n. ^iiiiiDit 1 



>;; in v.: . 



i'os sir. 

Uh, in oihos-, s.u 
Oswald or yip^^it: 



„1 A„ 



Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



580 




w-h-w^mm 



Helen Markliam Exhibit 1 



Loe Karvoy Osvrald, R!m, 



Ho was not ansry? 

IIo didn't loolc cr-sry. You knot? Just llko, I thought 

it vist3 jv.st a frJondly conversation. 

Did you notice xvhich hand Oswald hold the pistol in? 

The right. 

YouVo suro it was in the right hand? 

l*a positive. 

ilow nnny shots vere fired, or Just one shot. 

Three, 

You board all throe shots fired? 

Yes sir. 

And TWhat did you do then, after the ahootins sms ovor? 

Well, I couldn't do anything; I froze. 

You fro£;(i? 

1'C3 sir. 

And he. say you stayed there? 

About uh Lvo ainuten I imagine and I loolced up and 

OGA.'iild \r -' - -^- - towards »e. 

I:o ^vciE ;., _...^ ..-.'a you? 

Yes sir. 

\7hat did you do? 

1 Just put my hands over my face and still stood 
thore and closed my eyes. 

Did he walk past you? 

No sir, ho tooK uh, ho uh, he was in the front of kc. 



^K 



Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



581 




Loo Harvey Oswald* ftka. 



YoU. 



L: 
SI: 
L: 
lit 
hi 

Ut 

L: 
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M: 
L: 
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And ho v\xn, and took my bands off my face; X 
thouG^t he vta.a goiag to shoot aa. 

And did you stayed right there? 

No sir. 

What did you do thes? 

Before be could, \th, gat out of sight , X vont to 
Mr. Tippit. 

You vont to Ur, Tippit? 

Yes I did. 

Yeh, and then vhat? 

He vas still in sight. Well, Z tried to got help. 

Yoh, and did this cum Osvald» did he valk avay or 
did he run avsray? 

After bo shot Ur. Tippit? 

Yoa. 

He did not rxin. 

Be did not run? 

Bo seen m&. 

Yob. 

Stopped and looked at me «lth a gun in his hand. 

Yebi and then did he walk? 

-12- 



Helen Markham Exhibit 1 



Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



58-2 



HfelenMarkham Exhibit 1 



Loe Barvey Oswald, akn. 



h 

L 
M 

L 

M 
L 
M 

L 
M 
L 

M 
L 
U 
L 
M 
L 
X: 



And thon after ho stood Rnd lcok»?d at mo, ho turned 
and run and that's whon I rvm to ilr. Ilirjlt, 

Oh, he did run at that point? 

Aftor, yeh, aftor. 

Vblch vay did he run? 

Dava, uh, across 2?attor>. 

Yoh. Ho run acrosr? latter. ai~C di>\vn toward, uh, 
(unintolligiblo) Uh-uh. 

Sure did» I told tho policcmon that. 

7ou told then that also? 

Yes, and thoy wont dotm thoro and found blia at tho 
Texas Theater. 

X BOO. Did ho run tomird the Texas Theater? 

no run In that direction. 

Tlov far did the shooting taico place frosi the Tesaa 
Theater? 

Oh, quite « few hlocha. I'd say throo to four blocks. 

X see, and you vont over to Officer Tippit then? 

Yes air. 

Did you have a chance to talk to hin? 

Yes sir. 

And, did he say anything? 

Yes sir, he tried to talk to ne. He could not talk, 
c;ot it plain enough for lae to see, you know, to 
hear hia. 

-13- 



Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



583 



Lcc Earvey Oswald, olca. 




M: 
L; 
Ml 
L: 

L: 

M: 

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Yea, 

And X vas trying to lini- ijiia. II© knew I ^.raa thore. 

Z soe. Bo didn't kitov you vera thoro? 

Yea. Z tried to call In on tho radio for help. 

Oh, and did you call In on tho radio? 

Z trlod to. 

And xihsit happened? 

Woll, 1 juQt didn»t know how. Z was In hysterics 
and Bcreaaing. They heard m@ scx'oaalns and crying;. 

?iho? On the radio you mean? 

Yoa. Thoy did. 

And did you atay with Oificer Tijtpit until tho police 
arrived? 

1 certainly did. 

¥ou did stay there? 

Z vas there when they put hla in tho aabulanco. Z 
ea-yi hia, that \sraa the last Z saw hia alive. Yes sir. 

Z see. 

Z VQUt with hla till they closed the ambulance door 
In ay face, 

Z see, and then thoy questioned you. The police 
questioned you «hen thoy arrived? 



-14- 



f ■T^'S^vi-'ftA^iiSL*"* 



Helen Markham Exhibit 1 
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



584 



Helen Markham Exhibit 1 



Le« Barvoy Osvald, ftka. 

U: Yoa sir, X told thasi X a&v it. 

Li And thoy nslcod you and you told thcsa Just about 

what you told mo toow? 

M: I told then. Yes sir. 

l*t E^t, thoy didn't ask for way physical doscrlption of 
Oswald at that timo? 

lit Ho. Only his olothlns, 

L: Just bis clothing? 

U: Tea sir. 

L: And you said it vas a gray shirt and dark pants? 

U: Mo gray shirt. 

L: !•» sorry, gray jachet. 

M: And, uh, I went to "r. Tlppit. Yes, I did when 
after they taken hia off. 

L: Yoh. 

H: I got in the police car i^ith the pollcocxon. Vi'ent 
down to the polico station. 

ht Yoh. 



Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



585 




Zlarvey Oswald, oka. 

And X didn't oco lilra no moro, TIaoy wouldn't lot 
rao In. I didn't want to aeo hin. 

Thoy wouldn't lot you tioo Tipplt any laoi'o? 

TSh, no thoy wouldn't lot rao sco Oavrald any store. 
Thoy wouldn't lot Oswald Si>G wo. 

Tlioy would not. 

X didn't want to, 

t/hon was tbo next tloo you saw Ouwnld? 

The next tiiao I saw him? I novor oair bla aftor. 

You saw hla in tho lineup once is that richt? 

^at*8 all. 

Ych, who was in tho linoup with hlo? I noan how 
naay people 



Four, 

Tliore wore Sour 

Uh, Z boliove tl 
him* 



rjcluding hisi? 
1 tia ooo four including 



Four Including mid what did tho other throo pooplo 
look llko, do you recall? 

Well, Z do ono of them, 

Yoh. 

Tlio first one cano out. Ha wag kind of light hocdedj 
kind of bald looldLnc; had on a bluo sweater; light 
blue cwoator Just a little li;;Iit bluo slip-over 
sweater with no clccvoa in it. 



-16- 



Helen Markham Exhibit I 



Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



586 



■'-'^■— "-^T^*"' ^— «»■'■■ «» 



Helen Markham E>dnbit 1 



Loo Harvoy Oswald, aha. 



I»: Yos. 

M: And, uh, cloan Xooklng and ho, I was, then tho other 

tw> didn't look co Eood. You imow, tho othor tlirco 
didn't look so good. 

L: I ceo. 

U: Z took ay tind« Of couroe, I was paosing out all 
tho tloo. 

L: Z Imow, you wero V0vy upsot at that timo* 

Ui Yos* 

1*5 Of courso, you Bust hnvo boon (unintolliEiblo) you 
novor saw onyono killed "ooforo, xl'-ht? 

M; Kovor In ay llfo. 

L: So, you must have boon terribly upaot, uh, at that tiao. 
Do you thlnls it is possiblo you ELight havo mado a 
mistnko in terms of identifying Oswald? 

M: Ko, uh, no. 

L: You \sforo not that upsot. 

H: No, causo Z had to bo euro. Tboy \!«mtod to know 

right now, you knov?, Z Isnew as <iuick. 

L: Yoa» 

M: I said Z*vo got to bo sure, I want to bo suro. 




-17- 



Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



' X:<'iS.VXi:'&':'MjSj^ 



587 



Loo Harvey Oswald, aka. 

L: Yoh. 

M: SOf I had them to turn bin, yoii Isnow, 

L: Yoh, 

1!: And thoy tuniod UL., .>..,:. l^ "•, 

L: Yeh. 

If: I could BOO bin causio I Ic-ckcd riribt in boro. 

Li Yoh, well you eat.' hi;:i for a littlo while ^hon ho 
cQiao walldLng toiyarU you. 

Ui I aav hia in tho eyc3. It v/a3 hia. 

L: Yeh. What color eyoa did ho havo, do you recall? 

M: Uo, It was so far. It v/aa too far froa ko for that, 

L: now far was ho vhon ho shot Officer Tipnit, froa 
you? 

£1: Oh, from ao? Oh, I'm not a [rood Judyioat at how 
oany foot, bit It wasn't too far mo. 

L: !Toll, was it across tho street? 

il: Caddy-comorod acrona tho ctroct. 1*11 toll you. 
Tenth and Pattou, it wao tho sccoad houso on 
Tenth and Pat ton on tho loft hand side. 

L: Yos* 

M: 408 X bolievo It Is, big t;hlto houso* 



-18- 



Helen Markham Exhibit 1 



Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



588 




•rfrm 



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Helen Markliam Exhibit 1 



T..0 Ilarvoy Ctewald, al;a. 



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tJli-uh, and you wort- ^ 
a 100 loot away voxl 



Wore you about 



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l*d Bay that. 

About a 100 foot? 

Yeh. 

And how close did 03\mld cons to you? 

Rtgrht across tho street, 

ISo waa across tb© sti-oot when ho craao towards you? 

Yos eir. 

And, you saw hln coming at tlat time? 

Yos sir. 

And you had a chance to look at !:iri as Uo caiae? 

yo3 sir. Wq11» I couldn't nal<o a cova. 2 wna 

afraid to novo cause and X frcso cause I was afraid ho 

\^ould Bhoot. 

Yoh, Ikit ho didn't shoot you? 

No. 

But did he look at you? 

Yos sir. 

And he saw you thero? 

Yes sir. 

And you eav nobody clao on the street at that tiao? 

So sir. 



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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued c 



744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 39 



589 



!/©e narvoy 03\mld, aka, 

Lj And did you soo anylxsdy l.: tai Bt^ro windou'o or 
vindovTB any placo? 

Ui Sao, sir, it's DO stoi-co thoro. 

Lt Tlioro aro no stores there? 

lit Xt*s, uh, rooldenco. 

ht 1 see, and did you see anybody la any vindowa? 

M: Yes sir. After it vas over. 

hi But not at tbe tine? 

H: Ro, Thoy rvouldn't ovon cone out Jind help ao and 
do nothing after it vaa ovor. 

L: Even after it was ovor . out? 

Ut Hot till tho police, ta^ cj came first then 

the pollc&noa caoo. 

L: I see. Bow Ions v,or).(i : t Xv-aa aftor the 
shooting until the X ^Jur. csr^e out? 

!!: About 20 airutes beiwio, 

L: Twenty ainutes before anyone cdsie out? 

U: Yos sir. 

lit And the officer vas in tho car dying all that tirao? 

Ut On the {ground dying. 

Lt On the groun4?' 

M: Yes sir. 



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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued. 



590 



Helen Markliam Exhibit 1 



Loo Uorvoy Osv/ald« olca* 

L: tVLiero was ho sIiot» do you irocall? 

M: Yes Bir, In the head abovo hlo oyo nnd in hla 

chest . 

L: In his hoad and In his ohost? 

II: Yos sir, 

L: Timt's'two shots? 

Hj Well, twice in tho hoad. 

L: Twice in tho hoad and onco in tho chest? 

M: Yos sir. 

L: Yes. Did you soo what kind oS a £:ua this wns? 

Mj No. 

L: Woll, which you wore oa ono side of tho street, and 
then tho police car v/as at one tine between you 
and Tippit and Oowald, richt? 

Ui That's right. 

Lj And when shooting took plrco Oowald and Tippit 
wore standing behind tho police car from your 
side. 

Zi No, Tippit was on ,, you luiooc X 

was on tho satao sit . a;;. 

You woro? 

Yes. 

And which sido visa " on? 




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Maekham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



591 



Loo nnrvoy Oswald, oka. 



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Co was on tho. 

Tho other a±do7 

The othor side. 

Ho was behind tho car when tho chootins. 

Ko, lio was in tho fi'ont. Ho walkod to tho front 
v/hccl of tho car. Ho shot biia acr-ocs tho hood of 
tho car. 

Ho shot hla acrosa tho hood of tho car? 

Yos sir. 

And did Tipplt tako out a gim or anything at 
anytiao? 

Yos sir, Z didn't laiow that ho had his s^a. 

Yoh. 

Bat whoa thoy got thoro they rolled him ovor and 
got it. 

And ho had a gun out already? 

Yes oir, 

Uii-uh. YTell, have >'ou eoon pictures of Oswald since 
tho tino. I moan cinco be wao killed, I cp-iosa you'vo 
scon thoia on telovicion, and pictures, and tho 
newspaper , 

Uh, ono time I soon Oswald. 

In plcturos. 



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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



592 



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Helen Markham Exhibit 1 



Loo Harvoy Oswald , olta. 

^* ^" pictures of which dotectivea- broucUt to chow mo. 

L: When \ma that? Befoi'a you Idontified hin? 

53: Ho sir. 

L: It vma iiftor you : 

Mi It VSL3 aftor ho \5U-j i-\*2.i.c<i. 

Lj After Oira&ld «bb killed, ttoy ba^ought you pictures? 

Mj Yqs, yea, 

^' Di«i thoy ©vor shov you any pictures boforo ho woq 

killed? 

M: No sir. 

^^ No. So, tho only tvo tl;::os you sew hin v;cro on 
the etrcot and onco in tho po3-i<»3 linoup? 

H: Eisht, 

hi Yoh. 

a: That's all I v^antcd to s5 3o Lis. 

^» Veh. X undorotnnd. 

H: 1 euro do. Well, 

L: Tsell, is thoro anythtus olso thct you Itno^ about this? 

Ui Not a thing. l*m just tolling you what I eaw. 

L: Ych. I don't IcnoT? tliat, X ncan is thoro anythinjj you 

le^t out tliat I wasn't Qkillful ©noush to ask about? 
Or do you think you'vo told ao everythins? 

^5 I think I've told you ©very thing, 

Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



593 



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hoe Barvoy Oarvmld» alca. 

L: Did tbo, did you talk to the FBI about the case 
at all? 

M: Yes sir. Detectives, FBI, Socrot Sorvlce non. 

L: Voh. nas anyone told you not to discuss the caso 
vith the general public? 

U: X do not. 

L: Sid anyone tell you that? 

M: Ub, yes sir. 

L: Who told you that? 

M; Tho, well, the detectivoc, anl all of then and uh 
for ay own good I dcii't c a^sc a clsa*t v.xint to cet. 
you knov, involved tn r.otalng. 

Lj I understand. Did TSI Agonts tell you it's best 
not to discuss tho case? 

21: Yes. 

h: TUoy did? 

U: Yes. 

Lj And, did Secret Service Agents tell you lt»s best not 
to discuss tho case? 

H{ Yes sir, 

L: And, did the Dallas, uh, detectives tell you it's 
best not to discuss the case? 



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Markham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



•594 



Helen Markham Exhibit i 



Leo Harvoy Oswald, oka. 



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YoQ sir. 

And, CO you've really not diccusrjod the caso 
very much have you? 

Nobody. 

Havo you told any , . 

Woll, ono, Thoy wci-i-. 



.:. : nnytliiue? 

o dotath. 



I'n sure thoir after you bocaueo you'ro & very 
Important witnoss. 

Uh-uh, 

Did any of tho roportors, did you toll any reporter 
that the person that ohot Onvald, shot Tippit waa 
short, stocky, xmd had buchy hair? 

X did not. 

You don't ronombor tollln;; i.: be iauso ono of tho 
roportors reported that in tac n jv.'spaper. 

Yos, Z road that. 

You road that, T*liat paper ■,?;u':. i iat, you recall? 

Uh, I boliove it wr.s in tho Herald, 

Tho Eorald? 

Z beliovo. It might have boon the Nowa, 

It was ono of tho Dallas papers, uh? 

Yes sir. 

And, do you know what day that was? 



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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



595 




Loo Ilarvoy Oswald, alsa. 

M: Ko slr« 

L; Tliat was ohortly of tor, tliouc::!, v.r.an't it? 

M: Yos sir. Thoy eavo ny adc'fosj, nano and ovorythinG 

L; Yeh, and tlioy bad you < utiu.-.-d at saying that ho vaa 

short, stocky and had bualiy hair. 

U: Wo 11, they're Just not right. 

L: But that's what thoy said thoush* 

M: I Jcaow it. Thoy can put anything ia papers. 

L: I loiov/. 

M; Uh-uh. 

L; Do you roraombor which reporter that was? 

12: Uh, I romoabor a reporter comins horo. 

L: Yes. 

Ms Tiio Eat Won (phonetic) ■ehich was, 1 didn't kaotf 

who ho was. Ho was froa Paris, 1 Vance. 

L: Yoh, 

M; And I don't laiow who he ^vas, m;c\ I v/acn't goin:^ tc- 

tallc to hid bocauDo I wi"U3 ccarod but ray boss said 
talkc : to hin and said it would bo all ripht for 
mo to talk with him. 



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Helen Markliam Exhibit 1 



Makkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



596 




Helen Markliam Exhibit 1 



Loe Harvey Oswald, Aka* 

L: Yob. 

M: So, I Beared and k:' '- -ca rlcht with uo 
till lio got tbi'oucii. 

L: X ooo. He waa the only rei>ortor you talked to? 

U: Uli, no. One more 

L: From one of tho Dallas pax>ors7 

M: Uh, yes, 1 bolleve. But there tma several coiae in 
from Nov York, all ovor. 

Lj Yeh. 

M: They Just vorriod ao to doati. 

L: Bow many FBI Asontr; -aoul*! yo j rui told you not to 
discuss this case vith ar-yon 3? 

H: Oh, I*d be afraid to say. It u-j^s several of then. 

L : Several? 

U: Yea sir, 

Lt How inany Secret Sorvico Ac;onts told you not to 
discuss the case with anyone? 

Ht Well, there was two or three of then. 

hi Two or throe of thorn. How many Dallas dotoctivos 

told you not to discuss tho case with anyone else? 

M: Well, X*d say there was four or five of thea. 

L: Four or five detectives, so a lot of people have told 
you that, and you generally have not discussed the 
case with anyone? 



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Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



597 



Loe Barvoy Oswald « aka. 



M: I have not. 

Ls Is that richt? Did you sign any affidavit bosidos 
tlio ono affidavit that you slguod? 

M: I haven't sisned it. Yes air, I had to si^u ono 
for the Secret Service. 

Lt You signed ono for the Bccrot Service? And U'hat 
did that say, do you recall? 

11} Saao thing it did down on, uh, at the City Kail. 
Police. 

!•: X bog your pardon? » 

Ui It was the, it*s Just like the one I gave the 

policcraan. 

L: X see. I see. Just about the some affidavit? 
When did you sign that ono? 

M: Oh, it was after !Ir. Ostrald cot killed. 

L: After he vas killed? 

Hi Yes sir. 

L; Secret Service didn*t ask for an affidavit from 
you while he was alivo, ia that right? 

U: Uh, yes sir. Well, thoy didn*t have timo. 

L: Yos, X know. Every thins happened so very quickly. 
Yoh. yioll, uh, I v/ant to thanii you very nuch for 
your cooperation and I'll make notes of the things 
you've told mo. 

Ui Well yos, and you don't think I'll have to so up 

yonder, do you? 

L: To Washington? 

H: Ko, to court up hcx*« . 



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Helen Mark ham Exhibit 1 
Mabkham Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



598 



Lee B&rvey Oswald, oka. 

L: To court? X don't, I ccn't toll you bocauso I*ia 
not In any way involvud in that Euby case. I'm 
Just involved in the other caso. 

Ut Oh. 

Li But I don't, frankly, off the cuff t/ithout studying 
tho matter it docon't soea to no that any thine that 
you saw Is related to Euby and Os\yald. 

U: Shoot no. Zi hope not cause Z don't want to go up 
there. 

L: But, X can't malto that decision. That's for the 
lawyers down there who aro trying that case, 

Ut You're going to Vfashington? 

L: Yes, Z'm investigatinj; tho caco fron an indcpon<Ient 
viov>ri>oint to soo wliat facts 1 can '^ot and I 'a, uh, 
going to testify in V;ashinntor tc oirov as to 
everything, not tomorrow I 'a fciorry, ..edncnday as to 

everything that Z have been nblo to .: , I want 

to thank you because you've tcon «:<t oopcrati^/e 
end very helpful. 

H: Thank you very much, and I, if you need any uore or 
anything oIbo well just call ne or cose down. 

L: Perhaps Z will coiao down to talk with you. 

SI: Z wish you would. 

Lt Fine, thank you very much Urs. Klarkham. 

M: Uh-uh« bye. 

Lt Bye. 



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Helen Markham Exhibit 1 
Maekham ExHrBiT No. 1 — Continued 



599 




P.O. Box 2897 
Dallas 21, Ter.aa 



7-10-64 



I.Ira. Helen Markham 
328 East Nineth 
Dallas, Texas, 

Dear Ilrs, Marlcham: 

ft 
At your conveirlence would you kindly ca-.l me Saturday or any weekday 
raornlnf^ bBtweeh 9 a.m. and 12 noon? 

I v/ould like to op-ortunity of discuss inr a natter which I believe 
will be mutually profitable. 





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Mabkham Exhibit No. 2 



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r'rs, Helen ! arkham 
328 East 9th. 
Dallas, Texas. 



— Helen Markham Exhibit 2 



Helen Markham Exhibit 2 



NOTICE 



dopes, if not delivered, 



1 the Dead L,-lo, Offc< 



If not delivered in { j days, -eK 

P.O. 3ox 2897 
Uallas 21, To-t. 



Mabkham Exhibit No. 2 — Continued 



601 



DL 44-1639 

"November 26, 1963 



"Mr, J, E. Curry 
Chief of Police 



'^Subject: Shooting of Lee H&rvey Oswald. 

"Sir: 

"On Sunday, November 24, 1963, I was stationed in the City 
Hall basement as security for the transfer of Oswald. 

"When he came out of the Jail office I was standing about 
mid-way of the driveway going into the parking area. There 
was a police car between me and the J ail office. . I did 
not see anything but heard the shot that was fired. By 
the time I could get around to the Jail, Oswald and Ruby 
had been pulled back into the Jail office. Ruby was down 
with three or four officers holding him. Oswald was 
lying on the North side of the Jail office on the floor. 
The doctor and ambulance arrived shortly after I got into 
the Jail office. 

"I did know Jack Ruby but did not see him prior to this 
incident. 

"Respectfully submitted, 

/s/"F. M. Martin 
F. M. Martin 
Captain of Police 
Juvenile Bureau" 




JIx. No. 5058 MARTIN,F.M. Depositioru, 
Dallas 3-24-64 

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Maktin Exhibit No. 5058 



602 



FD-302 (Rov. 3-3.58) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION / 



5\^ 




Captain FRANK M. MARTIN, Dallas Police Department, 
Juvenile Division, was interyieua^at his home at 609 
Five Kile Parl^'ay. CaptaiJ^TMLI^^ advised he vras regularly 
assigned to the Juvenile Bui^au and works from 8:00 a.m. 
to 5:00 p.m.; that on November 24, 19^3^ he received no 
specific assignment regarding the security aspects of 
transporting LE5 HARVEY OSWALD from the City Jail to 
the County Jail^ He received no instructions and assumed his 
duties were to control the crov;d of people and newsmen 
In the basement of the police station. He had received no 
Information regarding the threats on OSWALD'S life. 

He and the five detectives v/ho vsre under his 
supervision went to the basement of the polite station 
at approximately 11:00 aom. Inasmuch as they had no specific 
.assignments, they jjositioned themselves to control the crowd, . 
He gave his men no specific assignments. He is unable 
to recall exactly when he received his instructions to 
be at the police station for the transfer of OSWALD, 

, Captain MARTIN advised he was not informed of any 
change of plans to transport OSWALD by automobile rather than by 
the armored truck. 

According to Captain MARTIN, he Iciov:^ JACX ^JJ3Y 
by sight, however, he did not see hi:.i in the Co.r.pound 
pi'ior" to the shooting. He advised that had' he seen RUBY he 
probably ;jould not have put him out as he had received 
no instructions In this regard. He knew of no unauthorized 
persons permitted to be in the basement and had no knowledge 
c ; vjhether persons weirto Identify themselves before 
entering; however, he left the Corapound on one occasion 
and vras stopped at one of the ramp entrances by an auxiliary 
officer regarding his identity. He advised that auxiliary 
officers ve'e stationed at each ramp and that to his knovjledge 
this was the only entrance to the Compound which RUBY could ^ ,^ 
have used. He stated the auxiliary police are commanded (f>< '' i^^' 



by Captain SOLOMON, ^Jur> j^t^^'u^' 



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on n/30/63°t Dallas, Tfixaf^ File i^ PL 44-l6^Q 

ALVIN J. ZItiMeRMN & 
by Special Agent s ^QSEPH G. PEGGS/csh ^^^^ ^.^^^^^^ IP/P/^^ 

This doeumeot contains nsllher rseommsndatlons nor conclusion^ of the FBI. It Is the property of the FBI and Is loaned to 
your agency; II and Its ceotsats ore not to be distributed outside your agency. 

.■■iiiimMji»iii.iii.-«.iMm II..II mwmu.immu,.w uvju j ..ml.i^ 
^.No.5059 MARTIN,F.M. Depositioi\_ 

, Dallas 3-24-64 

Mabtin Exhibit No. 5059 



603 



pL 44-3-639 



According to Captain I.IARTIN, there were numerous 
persons in the basement, he stated, "it was a T.V. show;" 
however, he did not knov the identity of any persons other 
than the police officers present. 

He advised that the follov/ing nen were under his 
supervision at the Compound: 

Detective W. T. CUTCIiAW 
Detective W. J. HARRISON 
Detective' ROY.LOWERY 
Detective CHARLIE GOOLSBY 
Detective (FNU) MILLER 

Captain MARTIN advised he did not observe the 
actual shooting of OSWALD; hov/ever, he was only a fev/ feet 
from the scene. He advised that he has no information re- 
garding any relationship between RUBY and OSWALD. 



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Martin Exhibit No. 5059 — Continued 



604 



A\AIN ST. 




COMMERCE ST. 



Martin Exhibit No. 5060 



744-731 O— 64— vol. XX 40 



605 



... . J;x.No.5094 MAXEr,B.J. Depositioru. 

DL •44-16» ^ _ Dallas 3-25-64 

"Noveiabor 26, 1963 



"Mr. J, E. Curry 
Chief of Police 



"Sir: 



Subject: Assignment of Sergeant 
Billy J* Uaxey On 
Sunday, November 24, 1963 



'*At approximately 11:00 A.M*, Sunday, November 24, 1963, I 
arrived at Central Station, I was working "le**. Acting 
Lieutenant), Northeast Substation. The Patrol Officers 
were leaving for their traffic assignments, and there was 
a large group of reporters standing in the hall leading to 
the Jail Office. 

"I did not have dn assignment at the time of my arrival and 
when Lieutenant Pierce came down and got into his car I 
asked him if I could help. Lieutenant Pierce advised me to 
ride with. him gnd Sergeant Putnam to escort the Armored Car 
which had been backed partially onto the south; 'ramp. 

"Lieutenant Pierce drove the car, I was sitting in the back 

seat, on the left side and Sergeant Putnam, after moving 

the crowd o^^reporters out of our path, got into the frot seat 

on the right side. We traveled up the north ramp and made 

a left turn onto Main Street. Officer R. E. Vaughn was standing 

on our right side at the top of the ramp as we went out onto Mail 

Street. 

"I did not see Jack. Ruby or anyone else go down the ramp as 
we drove out. I kxor Jack Ruby by sight and X also did not see 
him in the basement while I was at that location. 

"We proceeded to the top of the south ramp via Main Street to 
Harwood Street to Commerce Slreet and took a position in front of 
Armored Car. < ' . , ,■ 

"Apparently the shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald had Just happened 
because I did jiot hear the shot and officers were rushing to 
cover the exits of the Police and Courts BiLlding and the City Hal 
as we pulled into position^ - r^ ; lU'- 

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Maxet Exhibit No. 5094 



606 



2 

DL 44-1639 

"After the shooting, Lieutenant Pierce, Sergeant Putnam, . 
and I \7ent to Parkland Hospital and set up security In the 
building and the Emergency Entrance Parking Lot. 

'^Respect fully submitted, 



"/s/ Billy J. Maxey 
Billy J, Kaxey 
Sergeant of Police 
Patrol Division" 







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Maxey Exhibit No. 5094 — Continued 



607 



^FD.302 (Roy. 3-3.i9) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIf *10N 

1 

Dato Dgc, 7.. 1953 



BILLY JOE Il^^^EY, SffjTsec-.nt, Dallas Police Eapr-rto^nt, 
\-73.s interviewGd in front of liis resiccrice 8912 Fraepor'c 
Drive, and V7as advised tfcat he. did not. have to make a ctatGciant, 
that any statement he did make could be used against hira in 
a court of lax;. He \7as advised that he h3,d the ri^ht to 
consult an attorney prior to uakias ^"^y statement. He 
furnished the follov7ing infortcatioa: 

JiAIiEY advised during tta. previous interview 
tbjit he gave the inf orraation about the e::- police officer 
n^iNIELS and the "shine boy" as if he had personally 
observed these individuals. He wished to clarify this 
£3 inforcT-ation he obtained through conversation vzith Sergeant 
J. A. PUTIIAii and Lieutenant PiEP^CE. lie did not personally 
observe these individ'oals at the l-Iain Street ramp the morning 
of November 24, 1963. 

Cn Novenber 24s 1963, ha arrived alone in the Central 
Police Headquarters builc.lng at about 11:00 a.m. and 
entered through the I^Iain Street ramp entrance in a "p^^lice 
department vehicle, 

-irjiiXe in the bacement garage, he, looked over the 
crowd of reporters arid police "real good" and stated positively 
JACK RU3Y V7as ^^ot in the group at the base of the l!ain ;■- 
Street ramp during the time li^JIEY vjas in the basement. 
He does not recall seeing anyone in that area wearing a 
hat. 

Just prior to the shooting of OSWALD, ViAXZY^ 
Lieutenant PIERCE and Sergeant PUTNAM left via the 1-lain 
Street ramp in. a Dallas police vehicle. 

Upon exit from the ramp, he recalled Officer Ct^^' 
VAUGHN was on the right of the ramp entrance, M'JSY \ - 
was in the left rear seat of the car and does no t recall 






if VAUGHN stepped ±to l^Iain Street to block traffic J^'^ c\'^ 
when the car left the bufding. 1^ ly f« 

_Ex,No.5095 MAXEY,B.J. Deposition.^ 

Dallas 3-25-6^; 



en l_J.2Z^X63at T)^.lln.P, . Te::<as Filo # PL 44-1639 

R. NEIL QUIGLEY & 
by SpociGl Aoont S .TOT-TH F. . DAT.T.T.IAW/rP.h __ Dato dictotod 12/7/63 

This documoDt contains nslther recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It Is the property of the FBI and Is loanod to 
your aconcy; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your ogoncy. 



Maxet Exhibit No. 5095 



608 



L 44-1639 



He stated he has heard, possibly from Sergeant 
UTMUI, that VAUGHN did step into Main Street to block 
raffic for their exit. - 

1#JCSY recalls a bus stopped across Main Street 
roni the ramp and believes this attracted his attention 
pon leaving the rasap. 

I'-L'iXEY does not recall anyone in the car speaking 
o VAUGKN as they left the rarnp. 

tIAXEY does not recall if there v/as a police 
fficer handling traffic at the Karx-zood and Main Street 
ntcrsection at the time the car he v/as in made a left 
urn off of Main Street ontq Ilarv/ood. 

He does not recall the vehicle stopping at any 
Lme while exiting from the Main Street raiup onto i-Iain 
ireet. Ke did not see JACK RUBY at any time during the 
.siting from the Main Street ramp. 




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Maxey Exhibit No. 5095 — Contimued 

609 



PD.302 (Rov. 3-3.59) FEDtfRAL SURSAU GF i.NVESTlC-.VnON 

12/3/63 



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BILLY JOE MAXEY,- Sergeant, Police Department, Dallas, Texas, 
was interviewed at his rer,idance at 8912 Fr.jeport Drive, Dallas, ho-vie _ 
telephone DA 7-8743. Ke was advised at the outset that he did not 
have to furnish a statement, that any statement he did furnxsh could 
possibly be used against him in court, and of his right to an attorney. 
He furnished the following information: 

He is presently assigned to the Patrol Division of the 
Dallas Police Department and works out of the Northeast Substation at 
8 916 Adlora Lane. He was on duty from 7:00 AM to 4:00 PM on 
November 24, 195 3. -He was aware that LEE HARVEY OSWALD was to be 
transported from the Dallas City Jail to the County Jail on the 
morning of that day. It is his daily routine to visit the Central 
Police Headouarters at least once during the day, and on the morning _ 
of November *24, 1963, he left the Northeast Substation for the ostensibl 
•purpose of delivering some overtime cards to the Central Headquarters. 
He had not received an assignment to do this. ;>, 

He arrived at the Cenxral Police Headquarters in Dallas at ^k 
'about 11:00 AM driving an unmarked patrol car. He drove into the \ 
basement parking lot from the Main Street entrance and at that time _ ,^^ 
observed members of xhe Patrol Division being briefed on their trafric^ 
assignments as regards the transfer of the prisoner OSWALD. Ke was y_ 
wearing his uniform at the time," -> C, 

^P 
He parked at the north end of the basement and walked over .p^ 
to a group of officers that he recognized, V7hich included Sgt, J. A..^' ^ 
PUTNAM, Officer P. T. DEAN and Captain TALBERT. When the briefing V ^^ 
was concluded, he told Sgt. PUTNAM that he would help m any way ^e -^v, 
could and was told that everything was in good shape but that he ^ 
could wait for a while with PUTNAM and DEAN. He had no definite ^ 
advance knowledge as to where they were taking the prisoner Dut x" 
assumed it was to the County Jail. He waited for a few moments and vO;^ 
saw a number of police officers near the jail entrance to the parking j 
lot and also approximately thirty-five to forty individuals who he \^' 
assumed were newspaper reporters or radio and TV men. At that time a 
he was standing in the northeast section of the garage. -^ 

A few moments after that, Lieut. PIERCE entered the garage, .. 
driving a' black detective car, and PUTNAM waved to him and said, «i 

Ex.No.5096 MAXEY,B.J, Deposition 



Dallas 3-25-6-; . 
12/2/63 , Dallas, Texas ^., . DL 44-1639 



. 0} I . rilo tf 



by Cpociol Agont R. NEIL QUIGLEY; Dcto dlciaiod ^^^^^^^ 



JOHN E, DALLMAN - LAC / ^^7 

Tnls docuinont contolno nolther rooommendatlono nor concluolon. of tL FBI. Il U tho property o( th« FBI and la loanod to 
your agonc/; it and Us contants aro not to b« dlstrlbutad outsldo your ogency. 



Maxet Exhibit No. 5096 



610 



DL »+'4-1639 
2 

"Come with us". He walked up to PIERCE and asked if he could assist 
and was told he should go with them as they v;ere going to escort the 
armored car. VJith thr-t he got in the back seat of the car driven by 
PIERCE and seated himself on the left-hand side of the vehicle. The 
vehicle then started to leave the garage by the north entrance leading 
jinto Main Street, but the area was full of reporters and it became 
l^ecessary for PUTNAM to get out of the car. PUTNAM, v;ith the assistance 
bf some Dallas reserve police officers, whose identity he did not know, 
noved the people out of the v;ay and the vehicle was then driven up the 
ramp to Main Street. During this time he saw no other vehicles in, or 
Leave, the basement garage. 

After entering Main Street, the vehicle made a left-hand turn, 
■jent down Main to Harwood, went down Harv;ood to Commerce, and after 
Turning left on Commerce, took a posit:}.on in front of the armored 'car 
vhich was parked in the ramp at that location, leading from the basement. 
^ few moments after the car had been positioned, he and the other 
officers observed police officers apparently making an effort to seal 
•:he exits of the police headquarters and City Hall building. He in 
)articular noticed that there were reserve officers keeping people from 
.eaving the new City Hall building. They then heard a broadcast over 
:he police radio in their car requesting an ambulance be brought to the 
;ity Hall basement. They then moved their car out of the ramp, and the 
irmored car cleared out of the Commerce Street ramp, and a few moments 
,ater an ambulance arrived and entered the basement. He and the other 
)fficers in the car immediately proceeded to' Parkland Hospital and set 
.D secuirity arrangements there where they stayed until it was learned 
hat OSWALD had died. 

At no time did he see JACK RUBY during his visit to the 
;entral Police Headquarters on November 24, 1963. He recalled reading 
'.n the newspaper and hearing accounts of the incident indicating that 
,IUBY had slipped into the basement from the Main Street ramp. If this 
/ere true it must have happened after he and the other officers had 
iriven out of the basement because they saw no one entering the basem.ent 

rem the Main Street ramp while they were driving up it, and it would 
nave been physically impossible for anybody to walk by the car because 
-if the narrowness of the ramp. He recalled as they were leaving the 
; iain Street ramp, Officer R. E. VAUGHN was standing guard at the exit 
:0 his right. He also recalled VAUGHN had made sure of his identity 
^ isually as he drove down the Main Street ramp when he first arrived 

t the Central Police Headquarters, 

He also recalled when they left, that, in addition to- VAUGHN, --(^ 
n ex-police of f icer- by the name of (FNU) DANIELS, a Negro, was standing 
o his left at the exit -of the ramp. He also believed that the head 



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Maxey Exhibit No. 5096 — Continued 



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611 



DL 41^-1639 

3 - ■ 

"shine boy", also a Negro, from' tht? Central Police Headquarters, was 
standing in the vicinity of DANIELS (FNU).* 

He did not personally require anybody to identify themselves 
while in the basement, nor did he engage in conversation with anyone 
other than the aforementioned police officers. He had no personal 
knowledge of what security precautions had been taken although he 
certainly felt they were adequate from what he saw in the basement 
of the garage. 

As concerns JACK RUBY," he first met him about two years ago. 
On that occasion he was with his wife and had visited the Carousel in 
downtown Dallas for strictly social purposes. He, of course, was 
dressed in civilian clothes and, as he was leaving the night club, 
RUBY asked him if he liked the showl He told him that he enjoyed it 
and RUBY then asked him what business he was in, and he told him he 
was with the Police Department. He also took his wife to the Vegas 
Club on one occasion, but RUBY was not present at that time. He 
personally does not like to be recognized as a police officer when 
he is nightclubbing and never made it a point to seek RUBY out on the 
two or three occasions he visited his night clubs. He never had any 
occasion to visit them while he was on duty or in uniform and doubted 
very much that RUBY would know who he is at this time. 

He never worked for RUBY, nor does, he know of anyone presently 
with„ the Police Department or in any way connected with the Police 
Department who has worked for him. The last time he saw RUBY was 
approximately one month ago at one of his night clubs, and he has 
not seen him since that time. He did not see RUBY at any time on 
Noveraber 24, 1963, He has heard very little concerning RUBY prior 
to this time, knows nothing of his background, nor has he heard that 
he ever carried a gun. After the shooting of OSWALD, he talked to 

•one of the officers in the Special Services Division, whose name he 
did not know, who told him that RUBY had caused them no trouble. He 
knows nothing concerning LEE HARVEY OSWALD and had heard no mention of 
him- prior to November 22, 1963, He knows of no relationship between 

•■H^iS5E-Y and OSWALD, nor has he heard mention of any such relationship. 






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Maxey Exhibit No. 5096 — Continued 



612 



Daocmbsr 3* 1963 



fr. J. B* Gwrj 

:hi«r of PoUo« 



iiri 



R«i Interview of Reserve Officer -J X 

Sergeant R. L. VsAye - 862 > } J 



■;i 



)a December 1, 1963« Reserve Officer Sergeant R. L. Mayo was 
jiterviewed by the underslgnsd officers as to any information 
le might have concerning the shooting of Lee Harvey Osvald 
iot covered in Ms original report dated November 26^ 1963* 

isrgeant f^ayo stated that his duty assignment was on Commerce 
itreet across from the City Hall, He stated that an unknown 
rhite male approximately 25 years of age attempted to enter 
.he basement of the City Hall, This unknown male was wearing 
. white streamer on his lapel. This streamer had the words 
White House Press". Sergeant Mayo stated that he attempted 
o refer this unknown to a regular police officer but this 
Mlvidual declined stating that he did not want to be a 
other. 

ergeant Kayo further stated that this unknown individual 
isappeared shortly- after the shooting of Oswald. 

ergeant Hayo does not know Jack Ruby nor has he been eon- 
acted by any Federal agency at this time . 



Respectfully submitted. 




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d 




ack Revill 

ieutenant. Special Service Bureau 



MA^ 



F. I. Cornwall 

Lieutenant, Special Service Bureau 



10 



Mayo Exhibit No. 5111 



613 



FD-302 (Rev. 3-3-59) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

12-5-63 



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Date 



Mr. LC^^-N W. MAYO, 7203 Casa Lorr.a, Dallas, 14, 
Texas, was telev^-.or.ically contacted to arrange an appoi:rr!isnt 
for interviav? and advised as follows. 



. i 

He is a Sergeant in the Dallas Police Depart5:snt v. T 
Reserves. On the aorning of Koveisber 24, 1963, he V7as on -^o'f 



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duty as a Reserve Police Officer near the intersection of v > "^ ^ "^ 
I':'3^y,::rd"and Cornserce Streets, Dallas., Ke was not in the 



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basen:ent of the Dallas police DepartEient when LEE HARVEY 

OSWALD was shot. Ke does not know JACK RUBY. ' C-!^ Jj 



. 



KAYO has no inforsnatioa concerning the shooting J -. \^ 
of OSWALD. j- J ;^ 



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Ex.No.5112-. MAYD,L.W. Deposition 
Dallas 3-26-64 



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1- . .o , DL 44-1639 



Dallas, Texas _., » 

ROBERT J. WILKISON - md 12''5=63 
by Special A3ont ; — Da':o dictated 

Thl3 documont contains noUher rscoamendatlona nor concluclona of tho FBI. It tj the property of the FBI and Is loaned to 
your agency; tt and Its contents ore not to bo distributed outolde your agency. 



Mayo Exhibit No. 5112 



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615 



1221 S. GRAND PHONE Rl 8-3292 

LOS ANGELES 15, CALIFORNIA 



IMPORTANT: Inquiries on 

this merchandise MUST 

stale this number. 



No. A 



A. J, HideU 

SOLD . P* ©• 9»x 2915 
JO Dallas y Texas 



Heinz W. Mlchaelis 



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DESCRIPTION 



AMOUNT 



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MicHAEXis Exhibit No. 2 



616 



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1221 S. GRAND PHONE Rl 8-3292 

LOS ANGELES 15, CALIFORNIA 



IMPORTANT: Inquiries on 

this merchandise MUST 

state this number. 

No.A 5371 



A. J. Hidell 

SOLD . P- 0- Box 2915 
JO Dallas, Texas 



— Heniz W. Michaelis 






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617 



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Mttj.kb (Austin L.) Exhibit A 



620 



rD-302 (R.,. ,^.M, ^-^ FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIcOoN 

Mc, "?5 /^^/ D«t. l/S/SU 

1 V ' 1 

DAVE L. MILLER, 5610 Lewis Street, Ap.artment D, who 
received' a letter from JACK RUBY following RUBY' s arrest, 
advised as f oll'ows : 

Mr. MILLER stated that he is manager of the Enquire 
Shine and Press Shop, 1322 Commerce Street, which establishment 
is owned by his brother, ISIDORE MILLER. Mr. MILLER further 
informed that this establishment is located just two doors from 
the Carousel Club where RUBY has been operating a strip-type 
entertainment. He added that RUBY has regularly parked his 
automobile in a garage located between the Carousel and MILLER'S 
place of business. 

MILLER stated that through his employment, he has known 
RUBY for three years inasmuch as RUBY has regularly brought 
laundry and dry cleaning to this place and, as a consequence, a 
regular and continuous acquaintance has been developed. He 
also stated that on two or three occasions he has visited the 
Carousel Club as a customer but has never belonged to any of 
ruby's clubs. RUBY also has dropped in from time to time on 
his way to or from the Carousel Club to say hello and also to 
have his shoes shined by one of the shoe shine boys. 

MILLER advised that he has never discussed politics 
with RUBY and knows him only as a friendly, congenial person. 

MILLER stated that he last saw RUBY on two brief \ 
occasions, the first being about 5:30 PM on November 22, 1963, 
when RUBY stopped by for just a minute or so on his way to or I 
from the Carousel Club. At that time RUBY asked, "What do you 
think about that S.O.B, shooting the President?" referring to 
the assassination of President KENNEDY. He did not mention 
OSWALD'S name and gave no indication that he ever saw or knew 
OSWALD. He gave no indication that he was more upset over the 
assassination than the average individual. 

RUBY last appeared at MILLER' s place of business about 
5:30 PM on November 23, 196 3, when he dropped in and asked MILLER 
not to display a sign advertising the Carousel Club, explaining 
that the club was closed due to the assassination. MILLER 
explained that for som e time he has posted an advertisement for 
^^^-- ^ ' ■" i^ " : — "■ — 



3Ci 



Miller, Dave.L. Exhibit 1 



1/3/6U Dallas, Texas 
L.ot__ * c., u DL U1-1639 



C^^OI. 



FiU # 



S«..!-i A . EDMOND C. HARDIN - LAC v, -. ,,. 

^31 



iMiLLEB (Dave L.) Exhibit No. 1 



M-731 O— 64-vol. XX 41 621 



DL UH-1639 
2 



H'JBY in miller's window on Saturday evenings. MILLER stated 
that RUBY was walking and alone on each of the above-cited 
occasions, but he assumed that RUBY had either just parked his 
car in the adjacent garage or was going to get his car from 
the garage. 

MILLER stated that in the letter he received from" 
RUBY following his incarceration, RUBY asked him to say hello 
to SAM (HICKS) and DWAYNE (ARMSTRONG) and "the other boy", threi 
colored shoe shine boys who knew RUBY only casually and as a 
customer in their shoe shine business. The third boy*s name 
MILLER has forgotten since he is no longer employed. 

MILLER stated that he never knew LEE HARVEY OSWALD 
and never had any reason to suspect that there was a relation- 
ship or acquaintance between OSWALD and RUBY. He added that he 
has no information concerning the shooting of OSWALD by RUBY on 
of ruby's gaining entrance to the basement of the Police Depart: 
ment prior to the shooting. 

MIIXB31 (Dave L.) Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



622 



FO-_30! (R.v. 3-3-}«) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

It 



-fix. No. 5013 MILLER,LouisD. Deposition- 
Dallas 3-24-64 



nnt„ 12-5-63 




Mr. LOUIS D. MILLER , 1231 Revina, Garland, Texas, 
was advised he did not have to make any statement, any 
statenent he made could be used against him in a court of 
law. He was advised of his right to talk to an attorney and 
the identities of Special Agents ROBERT J. UIUCISON and 
EDMOND C. HARDIN. No threats or promises were made to 
KILLER. 

MILLER advised as follows: 

Ke is employed as a detective in the Dallas Police 
apartment. Criminal Investigation Division, Juvenib 
Bureau, Police Headquarters. On November 24, 1963, he v;orked 
at 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. shift. ' 



A few minutes before the shooting of LEE KARVEY 
03UALD, on November 24, 1963, he vjas on duty in the Juvenile 
Department, Third Floor of • the Police Department. Someone 
said for all officers to go to the basement. He does not 
kncx7 who gave the order. Ke went to the basement, and upon 
arrival, stood around in the hail corridor betvjeen the 
elevator and the Jail Office for a few minutes. Detectives 
> ^vb ATv CUTCHAW, LOI-SRY, HARRISON and GOOLSBY of the Juvenile 
_^ \ '^'/Department were also on duty and all went to the basement 
""^ (/. -a /with him. 'Word was passed to the officers to line up 
Ijvl^o v/^/ along the ramp area and they all did so. He does not' 
?<:^A y ^"^^^ "^° ^^^^ ^^'^ order. There were a large number of officers 
^ A. h5 °^ °^^ ^^^'^ °^ ^^""^ ramp, exact number not recalled. A large 
* O n-omber of press and TV representatives personnel V7ere in the 

basement, exact number not knovm to him. Many of the press and 
TV personnel were along the opposite side of the ramp from 
the police officers. Ke vjas not assigned to the ramp area 
but was stationed to the left of the Jail office door. 

MILLER was stationed to the left of the Jail Office 
door for about five minutes before OSWALD was brought through that 



12-3-63 Dallas, Texas ' , ^L 44-1639 
or ! Filo i^ 



ROBERT J. WILKISON & EDMOND C. 12-5-63 
by Spociol Asonf HARD IN - P^d ^ Data dietotod 



nr 



This clocuaent contalna nolther rocomm*ndation8 nor concluaiona of tho FBI. It U th« prop«rly of th« FBI ond la iooned to 
your agoacy; U aad ita contaota ara not to ba dUtributad outsldo your agaacy. 



Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5013 



623 



DL 44-1539 

araa Co ha transferred to the County Jail. Detective 
CUTCKAU vjas standing on the other side of the Jail Office 
doorv/ay V7hich was on the VJest side and Detective McMILLEN 
was stationed i-.ext to MILLER. 

As OSVJALD was escorted pc-t, he and Detective 
McMILLEN started to move along the vjall of the Booking 
Office behind OSWALD and the people. The lights frcm the 
TV\ cameras v;3re very bright in the ramp area. A few seconds 
later, he saw a biur out of the corner of his eye, and at that 
instant p. the thought ran through his mind that some . . 
TV or radio man v;as running up to QSVJALD with a microphone. At 
about the same time, he heard a shot. As the shot "sounded, 
CSUALD and the escorting police officers seem to fa LI tov7ard 
the floor or^ ir.ove a little to their right. At the sarr.e time, 
several officers converged upon that spot and someone must 
have hit RUBY, since R.UBY vjas propelled, in his direction. 
MZLLSR was also moving toward the spot of the "shooting. Ke 
grabbed RJ3Y by the neck and believes scr^s other officer had a 
hold of ruby's arm and v;as trying to get a pistol av7ay from 
RUBY, which RUBY was still holding; Ke did not notice what 
type of pistol RUBY had, as he did not get a very good look 
at it. At the same time a large number of officers also converged, 
on. RUBY and RUBY V7as disarmed and taken into the jail office. The 
entire incident took place in a matter of seconds. 

When the officers were sent to the ramp area prior 
to OSWALD being brought do^ra, there were officers stationed 
on both sides of the ramp. 

Ke had never previously seen OSWALD except on TV 
after the assassination of President JOHN F. KENNEDY. Ke did 
not personally know JACK RUBY and does not believe he had ever 
seen him prior to the shooting. 










Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5013 — Continued 



624 



DL 44-1639 



When RUBY shot OSWALD, the escorting officers and 
OSWALD were approximately three or four steps from him. However, 
the backs of OSWALD and the officers were to him. He does not 
recall exactly v^hat he v;as looking at when the shot sounded. 

Police Department regulations do not permit officers 
to x-7ork off duty in a place where alcoholic beverages 
are served. Re never worked for RUBY or in any of RUBY's 
night club. He does not know of any police officers who ever v;orked 
for RUBY. -. . • 

There were a large number of police officers in the 
basement earlier prior to the shooting, but he has no idea 
how many officers were present. He had no reason to check anyone 
in the basement since the security checks were made at 
entrances to the basement as far as he knows ,. However , he was not- 
familiar with the security measures that V7ere in effect. He 
does not know of any unauthorized persons that were permitted 
entrance to the basement or of any one permitted to enter without 
shov7ing identification. He saw no suspicious people in the 
biasement prior to the shooting. 

He has no knowledge of any relatriBhip 'between 
JACK RUBY and LEE HARVEY OSWALD. 

MILLER flaid ho hnrl nn nH-wn- Y'PrrJr , ^ , r\r l'nfo-^"^^tr4 ^=M^ 
concerulii^ the 6hootin& ul - OGW/iLD. 



Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5013 — Continued 




626 



DL 44-1639 

'November 26, 1963 

"Mr, J. E. Curry 
Chief of Police 

Subject; Shooting of Harvey Osvrald 

"Sir: 

"On Sunday November 24, 1963 when px'isoner Harvey Oswald 
was being brought from the Jail into the basement I was 
standing on the east side of the d6or to the Jail office. 
Detective Cutcbshaw was on the west side of the door and 
Detective McMillan was standing next to me. 

"I saw the movement of a peson comi^zg across the ramp from the 
east of me and heard a shot at about the same time. This person 
was hit from behind and propelled in my direction. I grabbed 
him around the neck and helped to take him into the Jail 
office. When I first made contact with this person he still 
bad a pistol in bis band. 

"I did not know this person and to my knowledge bacl never seen 
him before. 

<**Respeotf ully Submitted 

/s/ Louis D. Miller 
: Louis D. Miller 1236 

DetiBictive 
Criminal Investigation Division*^ 



^!. mm Aim.'. K>.\^wgm.vj 



_fx.No. 5014 MILLER,Louis D. Deposition 
Dallas 3-2A-64 



Miller (Louis D.) Exhibit No. 5014 



626 



"~ Joe R. Molina 



Exhibit A 



Mf>rch 31, 1964 
Dallas, T«»xas 



Thp '7f!rren Commissi'*!! 
C/O U.S. District Atty. 
Baref 9 )t Spnriers 
?ed<»rpT Building 
Dnllfls, TrxpR 

Gpntlrmrn; 

I T"-ish t« rnter int-a th*" c immittec? r'^cord my story 
oncffrninfT the pftermoth Qf the trpgi c events of 
!7ovember ^2, 19fi3. ♦•• .. .^^.-<-'- 

I was accused, libled, r<,nd Ipter my i" O'b o:f Ifi ye^rs 
vas terminated at the Texps jchi)l 3)-)'n L'e^Tosit ory 
due t«» unfair things said ahmt me. 

I think it «)nly fair pnd iu^t i-f inb] e that my testimoney 
should be part •f your records s'> that I may be 
clear"'^ and exonerated of tlie false rumors that were 
heard fr<»m c^ast to coast. 



Yours trulv, 




Joe R. M->] ina 

4 306 Bro-p-n 

Dallp«, Texas 159A9 



Molina Exhibit A 



627 




MONTGOMEBY EJxHIBIT NO. 5004 



628 




FD.302 (Hov. 3-3-S9) hcDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

1 I Dato 12/5/63 



H 



^(<^ 



In addition to information previously given. Detective 
L. D. MONTGOMERY, Homicide and Robbery Bureau of the Dallas Police 
Department, advised that he arrived on-duty at approximately 8:00 AM 
and was in the Homicide office up uptil they got ready to move 
OSVJALD down to the County Jail. He stated that Captain FRITZ, in 
charge of the Homicide Bureau, instructed him to follow Detective 
LEAVELLE and Detective GRAVES as they escorted OSWALD from the 
third floor down to the basement and out to the. car,- -which was to 
transport him to the County Jail. He advised he did not see the 
shooting inasmuch as OSVJALD and the detectives mentioned were 
directly in front of him. He stated he savT a blur there and they 
were struggling in subduing RUBY. 

u ■ 
He stated they had known RUBY for several years, casually, 
inasmuch as when he v;as in the Patrol Division he used to cover the 
district where the Vegas Club operated by RUBY is located on Oak 
Lawn Street. He advised he had not seen RUBY for at least tv;o years 
prior to the time of the shooting. He stated when they got out of 
the elevators and came out of the jail office, the officers, as v/ell 
as nev7smen, photographers and TV cameramen, were already there and 
he did not pay any attention to them and could not say whether or not 
he knew any of them in the crowd. He stated he was not present when 
these people were admitted to the basement and does not know what means 
were taken to identify them;. He knew nothing of the security measures 
taken other than what his immediate assignment was. He had no infor- 
mation concerning any relationsl^ip between RUBY ai>d OSWALD. 






j"-"^™" 



ZZIk 



-Ex.No.5005 MONTGQMERY,L.C. Depositigi 

Dallas 3-2A-64 



12/1./53 „. Dallas, Texas _., ,, DL i*t-1539 

JAMES C. KENNEDY and 



by Spocioi Agents LEO L. ROBERTSON - LAC p^^^ dictated 12/4/63 

This document contain* nolthor racoDmandaUons nor cbnclusiona o< Wt FBI. It 1> Iha propacty of Iha FBI and U loaned to 
your a«onc/; »t and Its coolant* ara not to ba diattitiutad pul^tda your aganfiy, 

Montgomery Exhibit No. 5005 



629 




'——■■^•'■"-~- ■'■ -^—^^ ~—:aar.~..^m^ '-. 



_Ex.No.5006 mUTQUlAHuiYfL.Q. I/eposixioi 
Dallas 3-2i;~64 



FEDERAL DU.^EAU OF INVuSVlGATiO:>! 



Detec'iivo L. D. IIOIITCICII^T:! , SGiS Anr.con:"..-, 
S-allr.o, Hoaicide and Robbiry Burcr.u, ■r.dvi:;cd th-^.t r.bout • 
11:15 a.x., ICovcmbor 24, 19G3 , L~: ili:iV2" CJV.'AID •,■;.-■ s tulxen 
iron the Koniicide and Kobbory Eurcau by Detect ivco Tj. C. 
Gl"l.*i\i;S r.nd J. P.. LniWL'LLIj . OST.V.LIi v/as hr.ndcufxod. to the 
left hand of hZIiVSLir: and GrJlVZ3 had hold ox OSV/AID's 
loft arr:. Lioutenant R, S. S'lVAII; and C.iptain J. ".■;. P2ITZ 
wera in front of them and he (KOI'.TGO;."";",/) brourjht up tho 
rear. All proceeded from the third floor of the City 
Kali Diildins" to the jail of f ica in tho bascL.oat via 
jail elevator. I!01;TGC:2]I1Y stated that upoa arriving; 
at the jail office door leadinj;: ;rJ;o the bascincnt corridor 
and under j:round parking area, tho two officers v.-ith 
0S'.7ALD cotv.-a3n them and tlOIITGOLrALi follov/ing, hoslt-itcd 
before joins into the corridor v.hilo Captain J, vr, IFZIIZ 

double checked v/ith Chief to sec that' the area \Yas clear. 

Ka stated that after bains advised that ever3,-thin?; v/as 
airicht, Captain Fr^ITZ told thGm to coao on. Ho stated that 
the t-.vo officers v/ith OST;AIJ>, follov/ad by hir.self , proceeded 
inxo tho coi-ridor loading to tho undoz'ground parhir.:j area 
and ■..■all:cd appro::iraately eight to ton feet to got into the 
transportation car. He- advis-ad they hesitated r.c:-ontarily 
for the car to finish backing up, at which tiv-.o J.CJI 1S20H 
rjJ3\', v.'ho apparently had been standing among tho uot/s -lOdia 
about eight feot away, ran up to OSV/AI-D v/ith pistol in hand 
and shot 03V/ALD point blank in tho stomach.. 1I0::TC0:.II;:".7 
stated that he was to the rear of OS'.AILD at tho ti-o of 
tho sbcox-^-T r„nd saw G?-\'<r2S grab the pistol in P.U^Y's 
h:.:..: :-t; .AAD and Gr.'lVZS fell to tho pavoi-ont. :.:0:;TCC:r:~A" 
sta-:_a c::. t ho canio around from tho side of Gr:^lVA3 and . ' --. 
grabbed ilUSY at tha samo time soveral other officers grabbed 
hin. 

::3ICTGO:!r;r.Y advised that the ramp, area had reported:.;' 
boea cleared of all individuals except ne\:s Licdia and officers 
spocificaliy assigned to the security of transfer detail, ■ 
prior to their escorting OSV/ALD into tho area. 






11/2-1/C3 . Dallas, To;-:as , _., ,, DL 4':-1639 

f.-v 

L c • I . . • j/ns t;. Eociaiour Avvm n . .- . . . 11/24/03 

by Special A;cnt " " •' * ^'-'■-'"^«^"* / '"^ Dato clictclcd ' 



'■ Thl* doeuBonl coniolno noilhcr taci ^^^^iaxlons nor eonclunlonii of Iho FBI. It U Ih- _ -ic.-ly c/ thj rZl and is Ic 

^ • your cgoncy; il end ita ccntcnto cro coMr » V-s diat-I^uiod outaldo your aa«ncy, copy 

Montgomery Exhibit No. 5006 



630 



CIVY O? DALLAS 

i£?vO?2?.TY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT 
^ HJ-I. Moore; VJ. E. POTTS; P. M, TUTttffiRj 

BILL SE:jKEL, Homicide Bureau 



Henry M. Moore 



Exhibit 1 



November 25 



-19. 



63 



Recoivod of, 

§ recovered stolen property: 

Evidence in Offense No 



-the'followJn? described articles. 



-Arrest No_ 



■Charge T'^irder 



I QUANTITY 



K, Osv.'ald P.O. Box 30061, Neiv 



\OVj.ec.i:ij, iva,, 9/lS/u5 -„'''^00 — 

-^Letter on letterhead Socialists 

- . ■ ■'oi- ' kGr ' O Pcrty ll/3/o3 - to - Lgo - II.; - 

Osv;ald Box 291p, Dallas, signed 



i^ele aa e d - 



■132- 



#^01 
t-t-.er i^T'on 1=^0B CHESTER to Lee } 



Os-vald Dalian, Tex., stating Osv.'a 
letter turned over to h±n by 



Id's 



Letter from V.T. Lee, National 



or, t'rCC, WeW )ioV\<., 3/'^'2/03 
Ho Oswald, Nev; Orleans #403 



Direct 
to Lee 



Letter from Louis VJeinsoocK:, Gen 
Manager of She Worker dated 



12/19/62 



aaoreiiiaG co i_,fce a, OSTTSftDJTTtJT 
Box 2915, Dallas, Texas #404 



12/13/62 addressed to Lee H. Osv;aCLd 
-5e-: : 2^13, Dr.ll -ar O, on lott -^-yi^gted— og — 
Gus Hall-Benjamin J. Davis, Defense 



X 



'-/;/.■' / '-/ / 



ivLir&7lZIS^E3i^rrr5I?; 
-i£ D,ui;V; »:ijcf: r;?-:":?rf. 



Letter from Arnold Johnson 
Information and Lecture Bureau, 



director 



7ofi 



■3r 



OP, USA "J^l/eS to L.H. Oswald 
P.O.Box 30061, NO La 



■^y> 



7#4o|s v;* 



OyTMIS 



3-oage letter from V.T. Lee, A'acipnal^-V-'- 
Direct.or^, PPCC, New York, to Lee H. .-^'•' ^'^ 



-iV.r <S' 



<.:>^.;V /J 



HEftEOfi. 



.ry 



4i>u/ wc-tfjazltie 5o. 



V 



"New 



;J(>^C. 7/7.'.% ^./ft -j/?./^/ 



Orleanb 5/29/63 



//407 '^"■"^" 



xtciiis: "vregg 

20,000 Wordsj by Leslie 



ahortnand aa^aonary; 
; T^oberts 



^ 



^.. 



■■■ss.-!- ^. . ((^i y"" • ,,?:^^. 



Order Pti 



evl&ea ' v^yth Annlv 
#408 



Edn 



Arrested: Lee Harvey Osv/ald w/: 
Dallas . Texas 



V24 



Search Warrant dated II/23/63, ld26 No. Beckley, Dallas, Texas 



'xnis inventory was made & invoice typed In FBI OiTice, Dallas, Texas. 

H. W. HILL 

Inv. continued on 11195Q . \ 

' neither evidence aor recovered stolen property, 'wnte on face of this form in detail reason for police possession. 

Moore Exhibit No. 1 



Prsparty CUrk 



631 



:^.-=c.^p<^»7 ^ POLSC2 DiH?ARTA/l2^ST 

CITV or DALLAS 

??vO?S?.TY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT 



iicceivcd of_ 



H.M. Moore; VJ, E. Potts; F. M, Turner; 
Bill Senkel, Komlcide Bureau 



November 26 



_ia 



63 



§ recovered stolen property: 
Evidence in Offense No. 



-Arresii? No._ 



the-following- described articles, 

-. >:urder 
_Ch arge — — . 



,(?UANTJTr 



^iv, i^^xy^u' 



I (USSR and CoiTirnunioni/: an<^ Klstorlckl" 



7/--^09l RdltiiiSiUU 



i: 



*?ocketbooks editions by Ian Fle.^ifig, 

■■■ - . I . >. .■■<■■ .. .> . t ; -^ — f 11,1. 'A n, , , . rp , , , , .:; 1 -' n ■ 



one enoitittu ^IfTE~"Sp3?7'tftro~"Ecr7eU' 
and the other ^^Live and Let Die" 



^ 



-Paiuohlet Nsv; York Schooa. I'or " , 
\:.:arxist Study, Pall Terni, I9S3 #^11 



pLe c oer on leuoer'iieau oT o«tiuj.o r.uatie 
or Studies, Mobile, Alabama, 8/22/63 



XC-SN"" 



#412 



Oswald 2703 Mercedes Avenue, F1 
V.'orth postmarked New York v;ith 



rerur-n address Rm 329, 799 Broaav;^y, 
' ancSiev/spaper clipping Times 



x'lcayuae, ReVnzrrXginTS^ v.'xth cvi'uioM-e 
reflecting Oswald »=•> fine of $10 
"Ti or x6 vTsy^ foi' i:.j.s 'CTTrrTrg— porzrt^^YF 

-\ Handbill P?CC New Orleans VJith 



^ 



address L.H. OswaiQ 49u7 togazme 
St., New Orleans, La., }'p'/ #4l4 



-■ /. 



jf;EC 






xnvoice oi' tne jones ^rxuciiig uoinoaay, •^' ^ 
422 Girod St.,_^NOLa. 6/Vo3j,^^ | -<4" ^.,|.> 



1,0 v\l ' „ — UiJUOi'lJc: x'or »;,vOOO" 

F?CC circulars, total $9.66, bal. 



;^jkrv^--o.:^l/ >^ 



"^Z ALL 



F THE ARTIC*.£3 !^V Ph<' 

1 MFPrT*-". ■ 



\^ 



j^FPCc' application' Slip ii/Xi?/ #416 



ilo: 



Jiiti 



^f^'.rt; <->T T nrri nffs 



g^"-Av|^^^.-;. /^-^d:.^^<c^ 



r 



regarding Oswald \ defection to 
-PM.g.cIa and r>thfir>-\n(jirp clip pings 



"^0; £S$■4^t-^■^5'^-V^.4^.■a^ r 



concerning Osvrald a^d cartoon _ 
, rerqrrdin.g: defectors #417 



-^1 



~OsDrlvers handbook state of Texas 



Arrested: Lee Harvey Oswala \}/xA/'d^ 
Dallas, Texas 



Search V/arrant'oatea iJ./iij/6j, x^'Ao iNo. riedicxey, i;aj.las, Texas 



This inventory was made & invoice typed InFBI Office, Dallas^ Texas. 

H. W.HILL 



J\.V 11195 @ 



Pro^srly Clark 



If neither evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnto on face of this form in detail reason for police possession. 

■ ZSl ■ 

MooBE Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



682 



Term C?S— PC— t«T 



POLIC2 D2?A:^TAA5-^aT 

CITY O? DALLAS 

FP.OPE?.TY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT • 



c 



H. M. Moore; \1. S. Potts; P. K. Turner; 
Bill Senkel, Homicide Bureau 



^/^ 



yoveni'DGr 2o in 63 



Received of. 

§ recovered stolen property: 

Evidence in O.Ter.so Ko 



-the'followinj described articles, 



-Arrest No.. 



.Charge. 



>?arder 



ColTJ 



PUANTITT 



ly. j-o-Jl^iju 



scriot contained in Osv.'ald-s Kane 



jbeaflo u - 



U.S. I-Iarlne Coros document aopoint- 
:'.:n ld 1 653230 Z??-! '! 



Pv3.l£t CIS 3/9/59 









Osv.-ald Ko. 1 653 230 satisfactorily 
-n.-'ssed snecialized course in Aircrafi 



Control and 'Earning Operator lb J)ine, 
1957, Keisle-/r AF3, fl-'^Sl 



Receipts Texas School Booic iJeposlpory 
for salary Lee K.Osv/ald no date 



Typev;ritten proraise to pay loan fjor 
of State 3/9/63 raade out in name 

-0=^ — 1=^ u . ---^ k^^.;-c: ^ G ,/ . -xj^T- 



Ai 



o, 



Le 



etter from Embassy USSR, VJashingp 



on J 

aa. 



^. 



y. 



I i 



8/5/63 in Russian language #;2^ 
IIr.c5sir?ble Discharge U.SMC. 9/ l3/pO 



Lee Harvey Oswald I65323O f;-'^25| 
Letter U.S. Navy Lee Osv:ald I'linskJ 



1 nus:::a, signea oy K. hcG. 'i'nor^oicina 
\ BriGadi'Dr General, U SM C 3/1 / f'^vji'^p ,.-4 



■iJL 



1= DALLVi ;•;.>. 






ic-o^ci' froiii x>epov oj. ivavy 77^57^ '^z THIS .'..i~-.'.>.0.''tY Of-l.''.:.2._...194=:-^ 



to Lee Osv^ala, Nev/ Orleans, 
charge v:arranted 






Security to Lee Oswald SSN 

Ji33_5iL3232_n^J2t±rL£nt_xiaJb£. 



#427 
■s^pioyscati 



4^ 



/£! 



ALL j).g TUF ,\.7TiCl.':.'= Of P'-''\'--Fr m 



ti-IST! D HEREOF. 



a. 



-AC* 



/T 



*i-<-^:.^.'.-.:_LSSu 



L-iil 



... i/-^ /ir.^. ^hf^^_ , 



address 757 France St., NO La 



■#428 



'I^, 



8/1/63 to Oswald on letterhead of 



Alabama, 



OTXrrxtrr 
#429 



Arrestee: Lee harvey Oswaia w/m/ 



jZjT 



o 



Search Warrant dated 11/23/63, 1026 No. Beckley, Dallas, Texas 
This inventory vfas made & Invoice typed in FBI Office, Dallas, Texas. 
O -^ -] -^ fii /? /7* "^^ — W*^ — HILL 



H9 1119S 



Property Qtrk 



li neither evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnta on face of this form in detail reason for police possession. 

Moose Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



63H 



CiTY or DALLAS 



^2I^0?E?vTY CLERK'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT 



November 2o 



K.M. I'loore; W, E. Potts; F.M, Turr.erj 
Received c, f T^lll Senkel. Homicide Bureau 

§ recovered stolen property: 

Evidence in. Offense No___ Arres? No 



.19. 



63 



-the'foUowing' described articles, 

ICurder 



.Charffa 



crcjnvrrrueir"!*?"^:^" x."iv . ixx^^oci — 

OUANTir/ ARTICLE 



DISPOSITION 



House oi"" Studies Mobile, dated 



and Koreno signed GENE 



#430 Released 



^1 



Letter on stationary or peter P. 
Gregory Ft. Worth, Tex., 6/19/62 



a'G'Gesoing to usv/axu-s aoixioy as 
Russian Interpretor and translate 



-i 



\ 



j.-4_3X- 

Envelope containlns receiot for 
-;^G-e v Ofricc So; : 622 3 :. H ar llao, Tc 
dated EW/M/' 11/11/63 for period 



2/Sv^ 



^32- 



^ 



Sinsle sheet In Prussian script 
cnntp^nincc Osvfald's name bearing 



il 



Ho. 4-5 ^OB s-433 

Sheet folded in half v.'hlch appear 



to be RusLiian identifica'cion 
document No. 332281 bearing the 



name oi' usv/aia in Kusaxan sci^o'JT 

//434 



i 



r UJ...1 OTKrrjrrTs^nTcrrciTC arro uj.u.»iA. 
spaces for stamos in Russian 
-3ra-r<y^a§e-^A 'lth no. ^ 01311555 /f^l 35 
Folded Russian language form 
bpar-in,": Nn. 01311655 v:lt .h 



^._^ /i/66j>i4.cl/ 






Z DAL. 



.."Oi iic/ro^riA' 



^i. 



4, 



Osv.'ald'S name in Russian sciiot 



>?J! I. 0- TH£ ARTICLES 05 P;<Ci.->i;rn'Y 



Legal sized sheet in purple ink 
bearing dated 3/22/62 v/ith an 



ofi'iciai sT;amp ^/ ^537 \ "j ''lAMt 
Letter by Johnny Tackett on lette ?- /^ 



'^^ 



USTElJ' H£R£0«. 

0. /.^-^- 



-^ 



:■ J ■ 'f?f\ 



t/r/ 



^ 



ii 



;it:au ojI i''t. w or tin iress o/dti/o'd 
addressed to Lee Oswald in 



■X^^c?/- >.<S^-.. 



s&w^S. 



-eft\'i lopc of Fv . Uorth - press. — y43Q ~ 

Arrested; Lee Harvey Oswald {i/m/9.k- 



Sea; 



Dallas, Texas 
:'ch V.^arrant dated 11/23/63 1026 No. Becj<:ley, Dallas, Texas 



'i'nis invjentory was made & Invoice typed ln|FBI Offltej Dallas, Texas 



^O"? iiiS7 . g 



H. W. Hill 



PrajMrty CXu\. 



If neither evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnte on face of this form in detail reason for police possession. 



Moore Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



634 



r«=«^i-c-«„ ' pome;] DSPAiiTiUSNT 

CITY Or DALLAS 

^^0?E?.TY CLERK'S INVOICS OR RECEIPT 

tj H.M. I-'oore; W. E. Potts; P. M. Turner; 

^!r • J . Bill Senkel, Koaiclde Bureau .^ , „ . , -u j _x- , 

Received of i ■. the'foUowinff descnbed articles, 

§ recovered stolen property: 

JMrder 



Noveajber 2o 



.19. 



63 



Evidence in OfTenso No„ 



-Arresi'N'o— 



.Charge. 



^<''m^?f ^^t"" ^=^^- ^i^57G^,„^,^ 



Chiies'^Stovaii^"incr,r)alias7"l727o3; 



BIN NO. I 



Oiieans, 5/31/^^5 



#^39 



^27^5^ 



440 



Released 



to Lee H. Osvjald Minsk, Russia 



^^ 



Articles: -^One payroll vouche: 
Leslie Uelding Company, Inc., 



a 



J.1241 V;. i-lelrose, i'ranKlin jr'ark, 
.Illinois, No. 7619, dated 10/l3/6£ 



(-one wiunnoxumg i-'eu. Tay. 6ixp 
addressed Lee H. Oswald 3519 

U.S. Armed Forces Institute, 



^i^^c^a^ 



kighsciiool level tests 3/23/59 fr^^2 



5/3/57 that Osv7ald Pvt. 1653230 USMC 
con^nleted Elect-Electron. .OccuDat-;onal 



4 



Group course, Jacksonville #44, 
VJorld Health Organisation Vacc. 



Card D earing name Lee Osv/aia wi'^n 
name of vaccinator as A. J. HldeSJi 



if .0, sox 3OOI0, Kcv; Orlcuiib La., 



date stamped 6/8/63 



#44^. 



^TTToS^ 



ijetter I'rom Josepn Task on ie'ci;erneaO-^- v-^ : 
ofSoc l allsts Workers Paiiy 3/27/ 6 ^ .J/ 

"uii'cc Lcii I/O Lcc n« Oawaiu P.O. jldua ^^ H-rrtr 

2915 . Dallas #445 -v^'-^-L C 



ir-assoorc i\!o, DOi^ii^iio m tne name dr ^ '-•• 
Lee Plarvey Osvxald dob 10/l8/397r444 •- ^;".,,,vp, 



i-c uA.i.y'^ii j<>L:<r.: t;£.7'A,"; rir;£::«.T 



3 



— --.i-'rtf or— ..:. jy 

F THE ARTICLES Of flVC'ESTV' 



^ . '■i LKEOi.;; 



>cpai'a.oioii TtTrili U,i.i';ax'xae Coi'ps 
in name of Lee Harvey Oswald datec 



-1 L^^. 1959 77="^ 

Birth certificate No. 17034 for 
jJa-?^^ y O s^'^ j.d r o^ leotins - bir 



'vonR 



ss 



...i/^ .^r" . 9 s-?"- 



i H 



10/16/39 Polio 1321, Book No. 20 



101 



Arrested: Lee Harvey Oswald w/m/'24 



('Search Warrant dated 11/23/63, 1026 No. Beckley, Dallas, Texas 
r' ihis inventory was made & invoice typed in FBI Office, Dallas, Texas 

M 111S8 g — 



Property Clark 



fropofty (. 

H. W. HILL 
• . \ 

icithcr evidence fior recovered stolen property, vnte on face of this form in detail reason for police possession. 



Moore Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



635 



>^™c?^i.c-»r ■'• POUCH D2?AK?i\AE^3T. 

CITY O.- DALLAS 

?P.0?2?.TY CLERX'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT 

H.M. Moore; V7. E. Potts; IT, M. Turner; - 



November2o 



.19_ 



63 



, ^3111 Senkel, Homicide Bureau 

Q Of 



iiCCC:;VO 

§ recovered stolen property: 
Eviccnco in Offense No 



_the'folIowinj described juiicles. 



.Arrept No_ 



.Charge_JMS^££_ 



Coriuiriuea rroa xnv TIT^oG 

OUANVIVY ARTICLE 



T 



EIN NO. 



the name^-of Lee H. Gsv;ald #4^9 R 



eleased 



Osizald ?-nd ione "6? nil 



I 



iKooXX 

! Lie 



enseJ^ 



v/ixe)~^OTo scenic shots, "'a Mexican 
Airmail Stamp and -I'leiv Orleans 



Library card No. NA i\dO:;U m ■one 
(haiTie of Lee H« Osvyald / <i451 



;i£V/ins Ki'G v/iyn rae'cax (/reiiixouii; 
Mexican 20 ceht piece, ^package of 

:>J -^ ■ . ■ .1" • T -T - . 'M'JT^ 



JS 



Jl 






i"f*;Jorld Atlas; The Catholic 



-tJritins tablet (Fifth Avenue )#454 



■^^^ bo euro Gily-lfcTr-drxc-crr^, ^ 
Russian sta^-nos and one 10 cent 



-(i/ic; 



Blue plastic- 2 zipper compartments - 

~i-;an-s ■can spor'csniro Voriarlooii 
Tracitionals by Enro," 



Pair raan-s blue snores 



"acea gra^v i>xac»<.s ( iTOY 



rTo— rxppcoy 



//^^i/i'Ac'./L 



i-/hite with flov/er design - light ^reen 
trin Dillov; case I 



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Dnicnowh exectronic device - BrowrJ pxasxilc ^ 







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This inventory was made & invoice typed in FBI .Office, Dallas, Texas 

H. ¥.KILL 

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Fropsrty Clwk 



aelthcr cvidcnco cor recovered stolen property, write on face of this form in detail reason for police possession. 

MooBE Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



636 



CITY O? DALLAS 

* PP.0P2RTY CLEP.K'S INVOICE OR RECEIPT 



:":o:cIvcd of 



H. M. rroore; VJ. E. Potts; P. M.. Turner; 
.Bill Senkel^Koraicide Bureau 



Nocember 26 



.19. 



63 



■J recovered stolen property: 
EvJcIcr.co in Offense No 



-Arrest No.. 



the'followinff described articles, 

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DISPOSITION 



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Pair, tvr.eezers j.n plastic box 



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Pla stic bottle Mum nlst spray deo dorant 



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Search h'Tarr^nt dated 11/53/6^. 1026 No. pLcklev, D.|\llas, Tf^xa s 



This - Inventory was made- & invoice typed 



Ih FBI Office, Dallas, Texas, 



Capt. J. M. ENGLISH 
SA V/ARREN C. de BRUEYS 



;jsf? 11200 . @ 



H. U. HILL 



Proporiy CJerk 

Typed by Virginia G, McGulre 



Ineithcr evidence nor recovered stolen property, wnta on f aca of^lMs^orm in detail reason for police possession. 



MooBE Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



'4-731 O— 64— vol. XX- 



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638 




MuEBErr EbcHiBiT No. 1 



639 



ACTIVITIES OF DORIS NELSON, R.N,, BEGINNING 
12:00 NOON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 1963 

At approximately 12:00 Noon I returned from lunch, and proceeded to check 
the various areas in the Emergency Room, At approximately 12:33 P.M. I 
answered the phone which was ringing in the Major Surgery Nurses' Station. 
Mrs. Bartlett, the telephone operator, informed me that the President had 
been shot, and was being brought to the hospital. I told her to "stop 
kidding me". She said "I am not. I have the police dispatcher on the line." 
I thanlced her, and immediately hung up the phone. 

I asked Dr. Dulaney, the Surgery Resident, to come xaco Trauma Room # 1, and 
that I wished to talk with him because I did not wish to alert everyone which 
might have caused general pandemonium in the Emergency Room. I informed Mrs. 
Standridge, and she told me that Room # 1 was set up so I proceeded into Room # 2, 
and had opened one bottle of Ringer's Lactate when I heard someone call for 
carriages. 

Seconds later. Governor Connally was brought into Room ^^ 2, I opened his shirt, 
and saw that he had received a gunshot wound of the chest. Mrs. Standridge was 
in the room assisting the doctor so as I walked out of the room co check on the 
President, he was wheeled into Trauma Room #1, I checked in th. room to deter- 
mine what type of injury he had sustained, and was asked by the Secret Service to 
screen all personnel at the doorway leading to the trauma rooms. In the meantime, 
I answered the phone in the Surgery Nurses ' Station,' and Dr, Baxter was on the 
line. He asked what we wanted, I told him that the President had been shot, and 
he said "Yes - what else is new?" I said: "Get down here", and he said: "I'm on 
my way," 

I stood at the doorway with a city policeman and secret service agent, and screened 
each doctor that went into the area, I offered to get Mrs. Kennedy, who was sittiii 
outside of Trauma Room # 1, a towel, and asked her if she would like to remove her 
gloves which were saturated with blood. She said: "No thank you, I'm alright". On 
one occasion she got up, and went into the room the President was in. I went in, 
and asked her if she had rather wait outside, and she said "no". One of the secret 
service men said to let her stay in the room. She came out shortly thereafter. 

Several I^ite House aides and secretaries came in, and embraced Mrs. Kennedy, and 
believe Mrs. Lyndon Johnson was among them. 

Dr, Kemp Clark arrived. The cardio-verter was carried into the room, and Dr. Jenk; 
from Anesthesia came with an anesthesia cart. 

Shortly after Dr, Clark arrived, two priests arrived, and gave the President last 
rites. Dr, Clark came out of the room, and talked briefly with Mrs, Kennedy, The» 
the priest came out, and I talked with the First Lady also, 

I was informed by Dr, Clark of the President's expiration. I asked Mrs. Standridgi 
to obtain a death certificate for Dr, Clark to complete, I asked a doctor with th« 
Presidential Staff as to arrangements he wished carried out concerning the body. 

Nelson Exhibit No. 1 



()40 



he President's doctor informed me that arrangements had been made to obtain 

casket for the body. Shortly afterwards, Mr. O'Neal of the O'Neal Ambulance 
ompany, arrived with a bronze casket. Miss Hinchliffe came out, and asked for 
ome plastic to put inside the casket. I sent Mrs. Hutton to the 2nd floor to 
btain a plastic mattress cover. I went in Trauma Room # 1 to determine that all 
as in order while Mrs, Ellis stood in the doorway, I asked David Sanders to 
ssist the nurses in preparing the President's body before placing it in the 
askcc. I Instructed the nurses and attendants to clean up the room, and mop the 
loor. 

fter Mr, O'Neal, and some of the boys who work with him, (only one of whose name 
knew - Audrey Riker) placed the President in the casket, and closed it. Mrs, 
ennedy went in, and sat in a chair beside it leaning her head on the casket, 

t approximately 2:10 P.M., the President's body was taken out of the Emergency Room, 
rs, Kennedy was walking beside it. All of the secret service apents left the area, 

lortly after they left. Miss Bowron informed me that she took the President's watch 
ff so the doctor could start an intravenous, that she placed the watch in her 
3cket, and did not think of it until everyone had left. She went out front to find 
^meone, and saw Mr. Wright so she gave the watch to him, 

gave a blue coat containing a white envelope labeled "cash" found, and a card with 
16 name "Clint Hill" to one of the secret service men, 

len the presidential staff left, Mr. Price obtained coffee for us, and we went into 
J office, drank about two sips, smoked about two puffs from a cigarette. Then I 
ide ounds, and informed the registration desk that we were seeing all patients. 
:s. Wright came down shortly after that, and I reviewed with her briefly the past 
cperience, 

went to coffee with Mrs. Berger. Then I went to the Nursing Service Office, and 
is told that all supervisors were to attend a meeting in Miss Beck's office at 3:30 

.M. 

returned to the Emergency Room, and asked all personnel on the 7-3:30 shift to re- 
)rt to my office. Mr. Geilich came in my office while I was talking to them. I 
;ked them not to discuss the past events with anyone, and if any of the nurses were 
iproached by a member of the press that they were to obtain administrative approval 
;fore saying anything. I went back upstairs to the Nursing Service Office to 
:tend the meeting. After the meeting, I returned to the Emergency Room, made rounds, 
id left at approximately 5:00 P.M. 

30 - 10:00 P,M, - I watched television at home, and got ready to return to work at 
/ :00 P,M, 

arrived at the hospital at 10:30 P.M., made rounds in the Emergency Room, reported 
' the Nursing Service Office to inform then that I was on duty. At approximately 

Nelson Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



641 



12:00 Midnight, Mr, Prall of the New York World Telegram, and Miss Joyce 
Eggington of. the London Observer, came up to the registration desk, and 
said they wished to speak to someone who was on duty when the President was 
brought into the Emergency Room. I told them that there was no one on duty 
at this time, and they would have to obtain any information they needed from 
the Administrator's Office. I instructed them how to get to the Administrator's 
Office. A few minutes later, Mr. Dutton brought them into the Major Surgery area 
of the Emergency Room, showed them Trauma Room #1, and introduced them to me, 
and told them who I was, and that I was on duty at the time. He asked me to talk 
to them. I asked him if I was supposed to. If so, what was I to say? He said; 
"We are telling them all of the facts." He left them with me. 

I ushered them into ray office. They told me they were writing a human interest 
story. They wanted to know what I was doing prior to the phone call stating that 
the President had been shot, and why I answered the phone. What did I say on the 
phone when informed? They wanted to know anything unusual thf.t any of the nurses 
said. I told them I could not recall anything. They asked aboau Mrs. Kennedy's 
reaction. I told them she sat very quietly, and appeared to be ia a state of deep 
grief. They asked if I offered her anything to drink. I then told them I gave her 
water, I also mentioned offering to remove her gloves, and wash her hands. To the 
best of my knowledge, this is all I can remember. Miss Beck came to my office during 
the time I was talking to them. I also mentioned that there was an English nurse on 
duty in the Emergency Room at the time. They asked me her name, but I told them that 
I was not at liberty to give it to them. They asked who they could obtain the name 
from, and I took them up to the Governor's office to talk with Mr. Read. I went into 
the Nursing Service Office, and told Miss Beck what had taken place. Mr. Read told 
Miss Beck he had no objections to releasing the name, but it was up to the hospital. 
Miss Beck called Mrs. Wright at home at approximately 12:30 A.M., and asked her what 
she wished her to do. Apparently, Mrs. Wright instructed her to give them her name. 
Then they wanted to know what part of England she came from so I told them. 

I returned to the Emergency Room shortly afterwards. Several members of the press 
came in between 1:00 A.M. and 4:00 A.M. All were instructed how to get to the 
Governor's office. 

Nothing unusual happened out of the routine between 1:00 A.M. and 4:00 A.M. I left 
the hospital at approximately 4:30 A.M. Saturday morning, went home, and read the 
paper, and went to bed until 10:00 A.M. 

I did not return to the hospital until Sunday afternoon when I heard on the television 
that Oswald had been shot, 

I arrived in the Emergency Room after Lee Harvey Oswald had been taken to the Operatii 
Room. I made rounds in the Emergency Room, talked with Mrs. Standridge concerning 
the treatment Oswald had received in the Emergency Room. I helped screen employees ai 
visitors at the Emergency Room entrance. There were numerous reporters and photograpl: s 
at the registration desk. Mr, Geilich informed me there was going to be a press con- 
ference in Room # 102. I announced this at the triage desk, and most of the press leJ 
the area. 

Nelson Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



642 



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[ was told shortly afterwards that Oswald had expired, and would be brought 
iown from the Operating Room through the Emergency Room to the X-Ray Department, 
[ informed Miss Lozano to pull all curtains on the examining cubicles, and to 
;lear the area. 

Jecret Service men arrived with Oswald's mother, wife, and children. I asked the 
;ecret service men if they would like to talce them in the Minor Medicine and 
lurgery area, and I would have the doctor come and talk with them. I told Dr. 
.ose. Medical Examiner, that they were there. 

,fter they had moved Oswald to X-Ray, Dr. Rose went to Minoe Medicine, and in- 
brmed the family of Oswald's death. The mother and wife came to the X-Ray Depart- 
lent to view the body, I assisted the police in draping him for the relatives to 
iew. I left the X-Ray Department, and returned to the Emergency Room, 

t approximately 4:00 P.M., I left the Emergency Room and went home. 



jris Nelson, R,N, 



J:bwh 

Nelson Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



643 



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Newman Exhibit No. 5037 



644 



1 

DL 44-1639 



"Mr. J, K. Curry 
Chief of Police 



"November 26, I963 



"Sir: . 

"This 1b a statement of facts relating to my activity as a 
Reserve Officer Sunday, November 24, 1963* to the best of my ■ 
laiovrledge and recollection. 

"1, Approximate time I reported to duty, 9:30 A. H« 

"2. I reported to Lt. Merrell, Assembly Room. 

"3. I was assigned to the garage area of the basement 

Immediately below the Commerce Street exit. W^ assignment 
was to cover the door opening Into the sub-basement 
machinery area. I was on this assignment until approximately 
13 minutes after the shooting. 

"4. Names of other officers in the same area that I can 

recollect are: • ^_ • 

"Lt, Suits, Sgt. Croy (Reserves) 
"5« Did you know Ruby? No. 
"6 • When and under what clrciuastance did you see Ruby? 

"]>ld not see him. . ' ' 



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/a/ W. J. Newman" 



Newman Exhibit 5038 
Newman Exhibit No. 5038 



645 



SSCATEi-ENT GF POLICE RESK-iVE OF.ICER V;. J. KU'^l-I/iN: 



I recall someone £oing over the railing at the bottom of the 
l-iain Street ramp, but I have racked ay brain and cannot recall 
whether it was before or after the shooting. 

I do remember that the person had on a sxiit, but I do not know 

the color. I don't rensmber seeing a hat, but I can't say whether 

he was vrearing one or not. This could have been about the time the , u 

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City of DdllcLs 
OFFICE MEMORANDUM 

'/■"•Lt. Revill December 6, I963 

Su&;ec<; Reserve Police Officer W.J. Nevraian /i^-* 
Res: 10923 Cotillion, BR-9-5923 
Bus: 4112 S. Bucknor, EV-I-716I 



Sir: 

SUBJECT called this date and stated that he remembered 
someone going over the railing at the rar.ip leading into the parking 
area of the basement the morning OS'.'AID was shot. He further stated 
that he could not remember whether it was before or after the shooting. 
Also that he saw the person was v/earing a sxu.t, and he saw only his 
back, and could not identify him. 



Re ai5ipct fully submitted,/^ 

ii.V/. V/estphal, Detective \ 
Criminal Intelligence Section 



The only reason you and I are here is /o assist the people of Dallas t\J^I '' / 







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Newman Exhibit No. 5038-B 



647 



December 1, I963 



i4r. J. E. Curry 
Chief of Police 

Sir: 

Re: Interview of Keserve Officer, 

Patroinan V/illian J. Kewman, 317 

On December 1, 19o3 Reserve Officer, Patrolman 
William J. i\ewman was interviewed by the under- 
signed officers as to any information he might 
have concerning the shooting of Lee Harvey 
Oswald which was not covered in his original 
report dated November 26, l9oj>, 

( 
iVewmem stated, after reading his origineil report, 
that he recalled observing an unknown white msLle 
run down the Main Street ramp into the basement 
of the City Hall, ap/^roxi2iatei.y one minute prior 
to the shooting of Ocv/ald, This unknov/n male 
disappeared into the group of nev/smen and police 
officers and was not observed by wewman again. 

Patrolman Newman states^ that ;ie observed this 
individual just prior to someone in the crowd 
emnouncing, "Here he comes 1" Less than a minute 
lapsed from this time until the shooting of 
Oswald* rJewman states that he did not know 
Jack Ruby. 

At this time Patrolaan Newman has not been con- 
tacted by fiuay federal agency. 



Respectfully submitted, 



ih/? 




ack Revill, Lieut e"nant 
fSpecial Service Bureau 



C. C. i>rallace, Lieutenant 
Special Service Bureau 



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Newman Exhibit No. 5038-C 



cDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIU. 



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WILLIAM J« NEWru\N, Dallas Reserve Policeman, residence 
10923 Cotillion Drive, Gar.land, Texas, advised that he was called by \ 
Sgt. SULLIVAN of the Police Reserve to report to the Central Police s^ 
Station as soon as he could get there on Sunday morning, November 21, , 
1953. He stated he arrived 'there between 9;00 and 9:15 AM and was ^ 
told to report to Sgt. PUTNAM of the regular Police Department. 
Sgt. PUTNAM requested that all of the Reserves, approximately 25 7 
in number, assist them in searching all cars and areas in the 5 "> 
basement. This was at approximately 9:20 AM when they began, and at ;i§^ 
about 10:15 AM Sgt, PUTNAM told him to guard the door underneath the 
ramp coming in to the basement from the Commerce Street side where ^ ) 
the armored truck was parked. 'J / 

He advised the door ho was guarding went into the basement, 
which was the engine room. He stated that no one came in or out of ^ 
this door while he was stationed there, and he was there from C^ 
approximately 10:20 until approximately ten or fifteen minutes after j '^ 
the shooting. He advised that he did not see the shooting. He did 1 (""^ 
not know RUBY. He never knew or heard of any officers working for ^A ^ 
RUBY. He stated at the time he went into the basement there were \ 
probably fifteen or tiJenty people already there other than policemen \r 
and that they were newsmen, photographers and TV cameramen. He did ■ 
not know any of them. He stated these people were already there and 
he was not in a position to observe any others coming ih to the 
basement, so that he was unable to say what identification they had 
to show or 'if they were challenged to show any form of identification. 

He estimated that at the time of the actual shooting there 
V7ere approximately fifty people in there other than the police 

■officers. He knew of no security measures taken other than what 
his assignment was but did say that he had heard the armored car was 
going to be a decoy and that OSWALD would be taken to the County Jail 
in another car. He did not recall who told him this. He stated that 
from his position where he was assigned he was unable to see the top 
of the Main Street ramp but could see the lower part of it. He 
stated that approximately one minute before the actual shooting 
occurred he saw a man coming dovm the Main Street ramp but since he 
could just see the lower part of it, he was unable to see whether or 

■•not he was challenged or whether or not he had any identification. 
He could not see the man as there were too many people in between where 
he was stationed and where the Main Street ramp was. He did hot know 
RUBY and had not heard any talk concerning him prior to the shooting. 



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12/4/63 . Garland, Texas ^., ,, DL H4-1639 



JAMES C. KENNEDY and 
' Special Agent c LEO L. ROBERTSON - LAC ^^^^ ^.^^^^^^ l^/'^/SS 



• decuman! conlatna neither raoommendatlona nor conclualone of tho FBI. It la the property ol the FBI and la loaned to 
ra9*ncyt It and its eoDtanIa are not to be dlatrlbuted outalda your agency. 

Newman Exhibit No. 5038-D 



649 







Newman Exhibit No. 5038-E 



650 



D-302 (n«». SO-S») 



FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 



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■'oate Deccn-ibor ^, 1963 



JOHN NEWMAM, Advertising Salesman, Dallas "Morning 
News," home address 3124 Kingston, Dallas, telephone number 
FE 1-8090, advised that he watched the Presidential parade 
on November 22, 1963, at -Austin and ^!ain Streets by Sanger- 
E.irris Brothers. He said he returned to his office on the 
second floor of the Dallas "Morning News" Building at approxi- 
mately 12:40 p.m. He furnished the following additional 
informations 

When he arrived in the office, JACK RUBY was sitting 
ar NEVmAM's desk. A short time after he, NEV;naM, sat down, ■<- 
JEERY COLE"; came into the office and stated that the President 
,had bson shot. Everyone in the room of course, was perturbed, 
A short time after receiving this news, RUBY called his sister 
and while he w::3 talking to h»:r he told Mr. NEl'TNAM to listen. 
He put the receiver to I'ir. NEWNAM's ear and Mr. NE'illAM heard 
the party on the other end which party he feels sure is 
RUBY'S sister. From the gist of the talk, she was obviously 
very upset. 

When NEvVNAM first cams Into the office and saw 
RUBY, RUBY did not appear to be jartlcularly upset and he does 
Tot believe RUBY had heard of the shooting at that time. 
A short time later, NEl'/NAM looked up from his desk and saw 
3.'J3Y leaving the office. NEVWAM could not state the exact 
cirae that he saw RUBY leaving but he estimated it to be at 
Approximately 1:30 p.m. 



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12/4/63 



Dallas, Texas 



JACK B. PEDEN and 

bSpecial Agsnts JAMS S E , GARRISsBL 

1i document contains neither recommendatlonB nor conclualona o( the FBI. tt is the property of the FBI and la loaned te 
V' ageneir; It and Ita contents C"'*'^ to ^« distributed outside your agency. 



Fii, iif Dallas 44-1639 

Date dictated 12/4/63 



Newnam Exhibit No. 1 



651 



FDocs ;;uv,3o-sj) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

Date 12-11-63 

1 

~ JOHN NEVTNAM, Advertising Salesman for the "Dallas 
Morning News" advised that on November 21, 1963, JACK RUBY 
did not corce to the advertising department of the "Dallas 
Morning News" to his, NEl^AMb, knowledge. He stated that 
RUBY did call him, NEWNAM, at approximately noon time and 
reserved the space for two advertisements. These ^advertise- 
ments were to be advertisements of the Vegas Club ah d the 
Carousel Club. He said that at approximately 2:30 p.ni., RUBY 
ciled and gave him the copy for the ad. 



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NEWNAM further advised that on November 22, 1963, the 
day of the President's assassination when JACK RUBY was in 
the advertising department of the "Dallas Morning News" between ^"^ \ 
12:00 and 1:00 p.m., RUBY paid for all advertisements up 
until Saturday, November 23, 1963. RUBY agreed to pay him 
again on a later date. 









John Newnam Exhibit 2 



Cf^ si 



12-10-63 Dallas, Texas DL 44-1639 

at FiU # 



JACK B, PEDEN - md 12-11-63 
by Sp»cial Agent Dot* dictated 

Thla docuni«nt contains neither recocntsendatlons nor conclusions of the FBI. It la the property o( the FBI ond la loaned to 
your ogencr; it ond Its contents an'xETROto be distributed outside your agency. i xron 

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MR. AIaSXAI^HSR; I bollevo that's all. 
H2CRC;33 SXAI-ENATIO}! 
BY Iffl. BELLI: 

Q Yoa have seon soma peculiar poople write adz, anc^ 

Indeed you havo seen sons books don© by peculiar i)eople too, 
haven't you? 

m. AIECffilESR; Hou, ue object to that, Juose. 

:©. BSLLI: aiat is all. 



a witness called by the State, being first duly s:fom, 
testified on his oath as follows: 

LIRECT EXAimiATION 
BY MR. AJ^SmUMi: 
q Your name is John Nefwnaa? ^ ,J^ 

Wiat is your business or occupation? 

I fiia on the retail advertising staff of the Eallas 






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And how long have you been with the rallas News? 

Well, since 19^6. 

I will aslc you if your office is in the large office 
on the second floor of the milas News ajilding? 
A Yes> sir, it is; 

Q And directing your attention to Kovoinber 22, 1965, 



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I Will aslc 70U If ^a vozked that cay? 

A Yea, sir, X did; 

Q. And vould you recall vtietlier or not that vas the day 

that Preaidoat Sisnnody vlaitod Lollaa? 

A Yea sir, it vaa, 

Q, I2Ld you see the i>arado? 

A Yea, I did. 

^ Md after the parade passed, wherever you vatched it 

from, did you go bade to vork? 

A Yoa sir, I did. 

Q, And what time did you arrive bade at your office? 

A Approximately 12:^0. 

Q At the time that you vent bade to ysur office, did 

you knotf that the President had been shot? 

A I did not. 

Q, When you arrived at your office, I will ask you if 

you sav the Cefcndont in this case. Jade r2uby? 

A Yoa sir, I did, 

Q, Do. you see Jade ]M)y in the courtroom? 

A Yes, there is Jack sittios there. 

Q, All right, vhen you got back to your office at 12:40,^ 

vhere dLd you see Jack Riby? 

A / At my deski' 

Q And didyoo-notice what he vas doing? 

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DALLAS, TiXAB 



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(Say, and vaa looklns at the paper. ^ 

Q, Hd yott have a ccsaversatloa vith him? 

I opokd to him as usual, yos« 

£Ld hd spoak bade to you? 

Yea, he did. 

Hov long have you knowa Jack Ruby? 

Ever since he had opeaed his club, which vas a private 
dub at nrst, down on Comsarce Street. I don't knov hov many 
years ago, Hve or six years ;■ 
Q, It vould have been aor© than one year? 

A Yes sir, it would. 

Q, And from time to time did he come In^ to place ads and 

discuss his business with you? 
A Ee did. 

Q Kov, shortly after you arrived back at 12:^^0, I v/iu ask 
you If word waa passed out that President Kennedy had been shot^* 
A Yes, it VD^.',- 

Q, Vamt, if anything, did you do as regards getting up-to- 

dato news, or watching television about the assassination? 
A In the comer of our office, in our Promotion Ilrector's 
ofCLco, there was & small television set which he uses on 
occasions. 

Q And what is the rinrfv^ of that man? 
A Mr. ELck JefferyJ 
q Mr;^ ELck Jeffery? 



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Q And where in that second floor was Mr. Jefferi'-'s office 

located? 

A It's in the comer, I voald say the northwest comer 

perhaps, is&ybe & little the other uLrection, It's at the 

comer fadns the Ealln.3 Hotel and Pla;^ outside in the front. 

Q All right, I "Will ask you if you oav; Jade Ruby in front 

of to. Jeffery's office vatching the television? 

A Yes, I vas over there siyself, and Jade vas over there 

listening vith the rest of them. 

Q. Hd you hear him say anything? 

A I don't recall any specific comments at that tliae. 

Sherd vas a lot of cosoient*' 

Q, V;^ there anything unnf>ual about his behavior at any 

tliQO that you savr him that day? 

A Itothing unusvvU. I vould say, no more than anyone else. 

Q, Were you all stunned there and deeply grieved by the 

news? 

A Yes. 

Q, Have you looked out the ^Jindov vliich is opposite !-lr. 

Jeffery'a door toward and across the Plaza towards the DoUas^ 

Hotel? 

A Yes, air.' 

Q I will ask you if it is possible to see the building 

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DALI». TEXAS 



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Dallas. Texas 



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Q I vlll ahov you vhat are In ovldencQ as State's E>J:iLbit£ 

Hos. 1 and 2, and ask you If you can identify those e^dolbits? 

A Yo8, I canr 

Q And I vlll ask you If those tvo exhibits represent the 

soone that one sees vhen he looks from the vlndov opposite Vjt, 

Jeffery*s door? 

A It is. 

Q, I vill ask you if State's Exhibit Nol' 2 appears to be 

taken from directly in front of Jir. Jeffery's door? 

A I would say it vas, yes, 

Q, Nov, I vlll ask you if Mr. Joffery*s office is completeljy 

separated by a vooden partition or if it was separated by a 

glass partition from the remainder of the office? 

A It *8 a glass partition* 

Q, A glass partition? 

A Yes sir* 

Q, V/ould you indicate to the Jury, just pciiit where the 

Texas School Book L^c>ository Building is, in each of these 

exhibits? 

A Right here — and rl^t here (indicating). 

Q, And I vill ask you if that is approxLmatoly between the 

T^TT^a Hotel and the Post Office — in other words in the 

picture the building appears to bo between the Hollas Hotel 

and the Post Office? 



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DALLAS, TEXAS 



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Pallaa, Texaa 



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A Yos, I seo vhat you ciean — :^3 it does. 

Q Now, con you tell us, this iu for the parpooo of the 

record, I vill e£k you if it is possible to see Eln Street, 

as it passes the Texas School Book JDspository, or is the 

street itself obscured by the live Oak trees in the Plasa? 

A I vould say it is obscured. 

Q Do you know vhat time that Jack Ruby left the liQllas 

Kevs office? 

A IDio exact tiine I am not sure, I vould say approximatcl; 

lOO or a little after. 

^ Could you tell us about hov xocsiy ads a veek that Jack 

Baby run uith the Ti&Tla'i Nevs? 

A Qiat vould fluctuate a little, possibly between three 

and five average. 

Q And did Jad: Puby personally take care of his ads? 

A Yes, he did.' 

(^ For the Q»st part, did he vrLte his ovn ads? 

A For the loost part, yes. 

(^ Ud he appear to be coz!:Qpetent in that phase of his 

business? i 

A !Ces, I vould say vexj coasotenf. 

Q, I vill ask you if there vas anythix^ unusual about 

Ruby's behavior over the period of tiiz^ that you knew him; 

did he appear to be nozizal? 

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DALLAS, TEXAS 



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appeared normal, as far as I vas concerned. 
Q • I vlH ask you if ho could bo characterized as a rather 
volatile eocdtablo Individual, talked fast, talked loud, por- 
hapa waved his arms sometimes when exdtod, or Just tell us 
hov ho appeared to you? 

A Veil, yes, I think Jack Is excitable. Our conversa- 
tions at times, he vould teH me that ho vas, and sometimes 
ho vould be more so than others'.' 

Q But there never appeared anything abnormal about his 
bobavlor? - . 

A • No;' Ab a matter of fact ve got along just fine, 
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!©• BELLE: Your Eonor, ve have oome notebooks 
".; .! ;ir. hero that vo Just bought at the book store. If the 
•::;". T. Jurora vant to tako some notes." 

THE COURT: No, sir, the Jurors do not take 
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Q Mr. Newnam, you say that Jack vas more excitable at 
vailous times than he vas at others? 
A Well, on occasion, yes.' 

Q. V£L11 you explain sons of those occasions and what 
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DALLAS, TEXAS 



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unusual than the other oooasions, such as boins calm and 
oolldoted? 

A Veil, I bolievQ it vould probably be In repremandins 

his es^plOToes in scone maimor. 

Q He would Qet pretty hysterical then, would ho not? 

A Well, I suppose a degree, what you call hysterical. 

HO would get excited* lie would get excited'.' ^ 

Cl Very excited, and after it was over would he calm down 

and appear as thoui^ nothing bad ever happened? 
A Well, In his dealingo with bb, we always got along flnei 

We never had any difficulties."' Wo would continue with what- 
ever he was doing. 

Q And then after these rejalmands, where he bocsae 

hyotorLcal and very excitable, a£tQv they were over did ha 
then voQelxi his ooaqposure and calxnness? 
A ) * .•• Yes sir. 

q , - And appear as though nothing had taken place at aH? 
A Well, aa far as I am concerned.' 

Q, Dj you knew what tlua he arrived at your office the 

xnoxoing of Kovezober 22, 195^? 
A No sir. 

Q, - - And you got there about what time? 
A •, "Xbu n»an what time I arrived at the office that day? 

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DAIXA*. TCXAS 



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Q Well, I mean what t1.mn durlnc tho noon hour did you 

oomd in? 

A It v&a aiouad 12:40, 

Q, 12i40, and bov do you fix the time? 

A I £Lx the time be cause I vltnessed ths motorcade at 

the inters© ctlon of I-Join and /oistin, I believe it vgs the 

Bouthwest comer across from Scngor-Harrls, and was vith sons 

of tho other men from the office. After the motorcade passed, 

then I valked bade to the ofUce. Ihat day there vras an 

extremely large crovd, end I would say it vould take protably 

ten or twelve minutes to walk bade. 

Q iihen you returned to yxxir office, did you then se3 Jade 

and 8f> have a diacussion with him regarding his ad? 

A Not regarding the ad. I spoke as usual, and I had 

soioe'i^ things that I had to get out of the way myself, because 

we were past the noon deadline. So*^ I went ohead and worked 

on what I had to get out of the way, and Jade was sitting at 

my desk. 

Q, Jade was sitting at your desk? 

A Yes, sir* 

Q And that being the week end, it was customary for Jade 

to oome over and meet the deadline, and prepare his layout for 

hLa night olub advertiaement that went into your paper, is 

that Gorreot? 

A ' That*0 correct sir* 



JAMES J. MULEADY 
OALLA*. TKXAa 



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i^allas^ leicaa 



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AnA Jack £l?oqaontl7 did thooo ads himself? 

Yes air* 

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Yea slri' I worked vlth him, as is ny Job, 

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A I believe the deadline for getting tho ad in the jiapor, 

apaod reservation, 12:00 o'clodcj release copies at 2:00. 

Q Well, Jack had to atteai^t that himself or he wouldn't 

get his weok-ond ad in your paper on that occasion, and 

particularly in view of the influx of people that had come to 

tovn^ I take it, for the week end? 

A V/ell, of course, ho didn't coca down evei-y day to place 

It* Sometiioes we transacted it over i;hd toleplione, but he 

would moke frequent trips to the office to take caro of this 

hiiusdlf* 

(^ That W(XLld be more or less on the weekly ad, would it 

not, thejibone call, and on the week end he would supply it 

himself? 

A Yes, I would say so* 

^ All right, and hov soon after you arrived and talked 

with Jack and what about your work, was it before President 

Kennedy was assassinated? 

A I don't quite understand the question^ 

Q, How long was it before President Earmedy was assassinate 



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art6P you ai*ilved at your office and entered into that con- 
versation vith Jade Ruby? 

A " You xaean how long vaa it before ve knew about it? 
Q, Yes, before you and Jad: knew about it? 

A '•• It vas just a ahort while, 
q Plve stlnutcs^ ten mlnutea, siore or less? 

A I would say no more than five, perhaps." 

Q, No ooro than five. 

A I am ZK)t exactly sure about the tLise. 

(^ Well now, how long had it been since the President vas 

assassinated, before you and Jack learned about it? 
A I would say possible fifteen lainutcs . 

Q nftoen Kdnutea; And during that tirjp, you learned he 

was assassinated, you say Jack appeared to be calm, and 
composed, is that right? 
A Yes sir. 

Q AH xl^t now, after you end Jack learned that the 

President waa assassinated, did you --run to this television 
in Jeffery's offloe, and look at it? 

A Well, V© walked into there, ve didn't run. There vas 

utter confusion, X might say, about this time, because no one 
was sure that this had happened*' But there vas news coming 
in over the television*' And, so, ve vent to Und out, to see 
vhat vas going on. 
Q Well, vhat vere the z^2mors, as they come in, did any 



JAMES J. MULEAOY 
DALLAS, TCXAS 



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Dallas^ Zezas 



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runors cone In that a Socsret Servlco xonxi ha<3 been shot, or 

that tho Govortior had been, shot, that the President had been 

shot; vas there some inlxup on vho vbq shot? 

A I vould say there vas. There vas a runssr of soise Secr« 

Service agent beln^; shot, ^s. 

Q Nov/, vhea the vord come it vas tho President, just vhai 

took place vith reference to the enotlonal Impact end effect 

It had upon Jack Ruby, and the others there? 

A Well, to answer your question, first on me, I vas 

utterly stunned, I couldn't believe it. Acid I am sure that:| 

Jack felt the seme, 

C^ You ooald tell from his appearance that he vas very 

greatly stuDned, and shocked, and bewildered? 

A Tfes; 

Q, Became overcome, was he not? 

A Well, I don't know vhether he vas overcome or not, butl 

he vas upset* 

Q, THav, did you and Jack stand and look at the televisloi) 

from about It^O until about 1x43, vhen you got the ncvs of til 

assassination? 

A Not at that time, no, air« Jade left the office 

between 1x30 and 1x43, and It vas prior to this that ve 

vatdiod the television.' 

Q Veil, during the period that you and Jack were vatchlc 

television, and getting the nevs of the assassination of the 



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OALXJkS, TEXAS 



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President, vas Jaclc*8 emotion &nd excitement, end feollng of 
eiootlonal inpaot because of the loss of the President, vas It 

Inoreaslns? 

A I don't knov vhother It vas Inoreaslng.' I ea sure It 

iDUSt have been In him or everyone else; Of coarse, about this 
time ve had complete oonfualcn vLthln our office, due to the 
fact that a lot of people had heard of this, a lot of adver- 
tisers heard of this on the radio and on television, and ve 
had oancellatlona of advertisements £t>r the foUovlng day. Ve 
vero txylDQ, &ttexi]i>tlng to take care of those, 
Q £0 you retnember soise of the things that Jack said at thajt 

time? 

A I don't recall, no, slri' 

Q You don't recall* Nov, Jack vent to the phone and 

callftd his sister, Sva Grent, did ho not? 
A He did, ^s, sir. 

Q Jade vas or^^lng at that time, vas he not? 

A I don't recall vhether Jade vas cx^lns at the time. I 

didn't pay that sudi attention.' 
Q ' But he vas upset* Jade colled you over to the telephone 
vhile he vas talking vlth his sister, Eva Qrant? 
A He dldr 

Q And vas Eva carrylsig on and crying too? 

A Very nudi so* She vas carrying on over the telephone, 

I don't knov vhether she vas crying or not. She vas 



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DAU.AS, TEXAS 



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Dallas, lezaa 



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Q Did Jack call you over to tho phone aid ask yoa to listei 
to tha sister, Eva, crying? 
A ; He did. 

Q You learned, did you not, that Jack cancellod his ad 
that afternoon in the Dan an Itoinins Neva that he vas going to 
run Tor the veek end? 

A .•; ' Well, he cancelled it or changed it, sir, 
Q.j; :0r changed it to another? 
A I don*t knov that it had been changed, no. 
(^ . But you did leaxn later he dhenged it? 
A Yes, I dLd.' 
Q Through sorrow and grief i' 

A I believe he dianged it to being closed for tho week 
end, what two days I don't recall. 

Q, WeU, he thought that his business should be closed tha 
day and the f oHoving day? 
A ,; 5hat waa the purpose of it, yes siri' 
Q I believe you called someone in the composing room to 
take care of that matter, didn't you? • 
A It's xay understanding, I don't knov who or vhat time iti 
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DALLAS, TEXAS 



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fUAsy About his ad« vould 70a not? 
A Won, yea* 

Q He never put anytblzis IxmoorcG. or ofT color In yoor papez' 

did be? 

A No 8lr« It Is our Job to see that that does x^t 

happen. 

Q, Before you learned about the President's assaaaination. 

Isn't It a fa.ot that Jade vas oanplainLns very bitterly about 
a full-pas© fi-cl that had appeared In the rinllfffl I-tomiris llevs 
end etATted off, "Welcona I-lr, President," and actually con- 
tained a series of insulting questions to President Kennedy? 
A Jack, I believe, vas either looking at or had discussed 

tbd ad of some nature. 

Q I shov you this photocopy and ask you to look at it, 

and exaolne it* 

•;:.,, ':^. m» TOHAHILLj Maxic it, please. 

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vas maiiced as Ifefendant's 
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Q Is this a true and corroct copy of the ad that appeared 

in the lYxlIan ^Soxnin8 Neva on KiTiday, Noveiriber 22nd, 196^, on 

page 1^, section 1? 

A It has our date line, the local *- I suppose it is. 

Q, You see nothing about it that is any different? 

A Well, I haven't read it, I don't knov. 



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Q Vlll yoa look at It, voald you pleas© exemlne It, 

A It looks Blfflllar — verbatim I don't knov for suro, 

booauae I ooul(3a*t &ay. 

MR. TONAHILLj W© have a copy of the orlsiiml 

;, her© among the other pajpers, do you have any objections 

>.".-'.:.". to that, vo can get the oxl^^Lnal. 

;•--■:;;•.; > •■ - -jv :'• MR. ALE2CAKEER: Is that a trus copy? 

MR. TONAHTTJiX Yes, It la a true copy. We can 

get the other later. 

.!.■' We offer It into evidence i" Is It received in 

evl^moe, JUdge? 

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- ;, . 'vi •>v.:>.i:,*.:i'2HB COORCi All right, it is adcrltted in evidence 

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Q (By Mr. Tonahlll). Mr. Newnam, Jade Ruby was oxtreiasly 

upset about this ad, was he not? 

A £e vas cxltical of the paper for accepting it, he was 

conoezned about it, yes sir.' 

Q, It*8 a highly insultii^ advertisement to President 

ICenoedy, la it not? 

- MR. AI£XAKGEKx Your Honor, that ve have to 
Object to. 

.- , /QiS CCXJETt Sustain the objection. 



JAMES J. HULEAOY 
OAIXAB. TCXA* 



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THE COUKTj All il^t. 
J, , DLd Jaclc ask you why this n^ was rma in the pc^psr, 
didn't ha cooplain and oritioize ti\e i)aper, and say that ths 
paper vas going to bo highly criticized because of tho ad? 
A It's possible that he did, yes sir. 

(^ Ud you agree that you did not knov why they accepted 

it? 

A I don't recall any particular conversation on that> 

because in our business the man vho accepts those, accepts 
it, and that's hia responsibility, 

Q, lEhe Eallaa ICLmes Herald didn't run this ad, did they? 

A I don't recall if they did or not, sir. 

Q DLd you take the ad from this individual vho h^s got 

his name dovn thex« as Bernard Weissman, or vas it sold by 
someooe else? 

A Someone else on the staff handled it. 

Q, So 6c»Qeone came in and bou^t this ad and paid for it 

in oaah, did they not? 
A •' Gb, jea, that type advertising is required to be paid 

tov:^ *■ • 

Q, It vaan't by check? 

A I don't knoVj air, hov he paid for it.' 



Copyright © 1964 
'li. Stinebaugh-James Muleady 
-■ Pallas,. tCexaa 



JAHES J. MULEADY 
DAIXA*. TEXAS 



John Nevmam Exhibit 3 



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■■■■"- '■ 'MR. TOriAHIIij I paas it to th© Jury,' 

HiE COORTx All rleht. 

m, ESllli Has it been introduced? 

m* TQHAHILL: it is in evidence. 
Q Can jo\x toll us how oony blocks the Texas School Eoolc 

Depoaitoxy Buildins is from the TXTlnfl (bxning Kevs? llbis is 
Exhibit, State's Sdilbit Ho. 2 here. Is it about ilve blocics? 
A Z would say about n.ve blocks, yes sir. I never counte 

them, Z cannot be exact, but X believe it is five blocks. 
Q, Y6a have learned and heard of a nuzsber of peculiar 

things that Jade has done, when he has these einotional states 



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from time to t\xm, where you describe him as being isore 

excitable at certain tin^s than others, have you not? 

A I have heard of such, yes sir. 

Q Some of them get very strong, do they not? 

A I would: say ao, yea. 

Q, Now, yow fcalks always wanted Jade to have his ads therei 

for thd week end, around noon, in order to zoset the deadline, 

beoausd of his tenqperazoental manner in writing the ads hiroseli 

and then changing it, and things of that nature? 

A Well, yea, we would like it first to meet the deadline, 

and, of course, secondly, we always like to check the copy, 

whidi ve are required to do.' 

Q Ha has got there late at various times, and you have 

had to reprimand hia for being late, haven't you? 



JAMES J. MUI.EADY 



Copyright © l»e* «„, ^-d* 
1.7 U. Stinebaugh-Jam«tt UulOftW 
Dallas, Texaa 



John Newnam Exhibit 3 
Newnam Exhibit No. 3 — Continued 



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A Yos, I havoi 

q Tho Friday ad Is Inportant for him, la It not, because 

ho usually makes Friday nlsht — ho xnade Friday night a free 
night tor the ladles, did he not? 

A Biere was a tlzae when ho vaa running the free Friday 

nights; "Whether this had been discontinued, I don't recall 
oflhand, but the ueek end business vas important. 
r, He rarely ever missed putting his ad in the paper him- 

self on Friday noon, did ho? 
A Rarely ever"i 

^ And you knov, do you not, that Jack habitually stayed 

up Iftte, find slept late in tho mornings? 
A. Tta^^^i^i:,.' 

,i -nr MR. TCNAHILLj I believe that is all, thank 

'r» F^M ; MR* AX£2C/\NIERt That is all, thank you sir;' 



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': John Newman Exhibit 3 

Newnam Exhibit No. 3 — Continued 



671 




Newnam Exhibit No. 4 



672 



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FEDERAL BUREAU OF IKVESTIGATICN C\.IlZ(! ^ t^ ^I^jyJL) 

n... 11/25/63 



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.yLICE REAVES KICIIOLS, nee Small, 8707 Redondo Drive, Dallas, . 
Texas, telephone DAvis 1- 3687, advised that she is th.e \7idc-.r of GEORC-3 •: . 
K2RMIT KICKOLS. She advised that she is c^iployed as a secretary for 
Mr. JOKN E. ^L4ITGRUM, Vice President and T-easurer, Southlcr.d LiTe 
Insurance Ccaipany,- Southland Center, Dallas, Texas, business telephone 
Riverside I-I32I. She has been employed there for the past sixteen 
years. 

She ^avised that she fomerly associated with JACK LEOK RU3Y, 
also knoim to her as Jack Leon Rubenstein. She furnished the followir^ 
inf oriuation regarding thsir relationship end regarding her knowledge of 
JACK LEON RUBY: 

She first met RUBY in about 19^1^ when he \ra.z the ii32:ager and 
CTvner of the Silver Spxir Club in Dallas. They star-ted goin^ together 
and continued to date each other until about 195^ oi" 1957; when they 
started drifting apart. They finally stopped seeing each other altogether 
in about 19p9 or i960. She last saw JACK PUEY during the early spring 
of 1963 when he was driving down the street in Dallas. They waved to 
each other; hovrever, since she was walking and he was driving they did 
not exchange greetings or talk with each other. 

From the time she met RUBY until about August, 1952, KJL'f 
operated the Silver Sp\ar Club. In about August, 1952, RUBY sold the 
club to one MARTIM GIMPLE, who was from Chicago, Illinois, and a 
, lifelong friend of JACK RUBY. RUBY then went to Chicago snd retirmed 
to Da3JLas after about six weeks. He then bought the Silver Spur Club 
back from GIMPLE. 1-IARTIN GIMPLE is no;/ deceased. 

Sometime in I95I, JACK EJBY bought the Bob Wills Ranch Souse ' 
Club in Dallas, and he lost this club in the l£.te spring of 1952, 
inasmuch as it was too eiqpensive to operate. She does not believe that o 
RUBY had a partner in the operation of either the Silver Spur Club or 
the Bob Wills Ranch House Club. During the time RUBY operated the 
■ Silver Spur Club after she met him, he had no one associated with him 
by the name of KORI-IA MILLER. She does not know anyone by the ns.se of 
HORMA MILLER. 

Jx.No,5355 NICHOLS, A.R. Deposition^ 
Dallas 4-14-64 



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Durir^ the time she vas associated vith JACK KUBY, RUBY was 
friendly with one J02 BOrJDS trho operated the Sky Club on West Commerce 
Street, Dallas, Texas. She does not "believe that RUBY and BOITOS were 
ever associates in any business. 

Sometime in 1953, RUBY bought the Club_ Vegas from ABE 
WEmSTEIN who operates the Colony Club in Dallas.;; Texas, . 

Sczietime in 1953, RUBY sold the Silver Spur Club to one 
ROCKY ROBU'SON who formerly had operated a club on Hone Street in the 
Dallas area. She does not know whether this club was inside or outside 
the Dallas City Limits. 

She met JACK RUBY's sister, EVA GRAMT, for the first time 
in about 1953 or 195^ when EVA was in Dallas on a visit. It was her 
understanding that EVA had previously lived in Dallas and had managed 
one of ruby's clubs for him. EVA came back to Dal las perccanently.in 
about 1959 or i960 and went to work as the manager of the Club Vegas, 
operated by JACK RUBY. 

Other members of JACK RUBY's family, whom she has met, are 
hisbrot'r.er, SAI-rJSL RUBY, who resides in Dallas; his brother, EARL RUBY, 
who lives In Detroit, Michigan; and his sister, MARION, who resides in 
Chicago, Illinois. She also met JACK'S fathe^ who is now deceased. All 
of these people ii-^Dressed her as being good people, and she knows nothing 
which would reflect vuafavorably on the character of any of these people. 

Soma time during 1952 or 1953, JACK RUBY owned for a short time 
a club knam as Hernando's Hideaway, which was located on Greenville 
Avenue, Dallas, Texas. 

In about 1959 or early in i960, Jack Ruby acquired the Carousel Clui 
in Dallas. It was about that time that she and JACK RUBY parted con^pany 

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lermanently. The Carousel Club had previously been lmc\m as the 
lovereign Cluh and vas operated as a private club, JACK RUSY converted 
t to a public club and changed the name to the Carousel Club. 

During the time she vent with hin, JACK RUBY told her several 
hings about himself and other things she was able to determine throxjgh 
,er conversations vith him. These things are as xollows: 

He was born at Chicago, Illinois, on March 25, 1911* His 
larents vere either foreign born or were first generation Americans, 
ne of them having been bom in Poland and the other in Russia, She 
.oes not knovr vhich one was bom in Poland and vhich one was "bom in 
Ussia. He was reared in Chicago, Illinois, and the f ciaily was of 
LOdest economic circumstances. His father was a c£:rpenter. JACK was 
.evoted to his mother, and althoiogh he cared for his father he was not 
.early as close to him as he was to his mother. JACK was inconsolable 
'or several weeks after the death of his mother. Sometime during his 
•oung manhood, JACK RUBY went to San Francisco, California, where he 
as engaged in a punch board business. He told her that in San 
'rancisco he met the only girl other than herself whom he would ever 
lonsider marrying. This girl's name was VIRG-IinA FITZGERALD or 
ITZSBMONS, .She does not knar if RUBY has ever maintained any kind 
if contact or correspondence with VIRGUDLA. She does not knc.-r how 
r.ong he remained in San Francisco, California, After he returned from 
an Francisco to Chicago, sometime in the late 1930 's, he worked for a 
abor union in Chicago and was associated in this work with one LEOIT 
LNU), LEON was later killed. JACK adopted the name LEON for his 
iddle name, in honor of this person. During World War II, RUBY was in 
he United States Air Force and worked as a ground crevnnan on an 
ircraft. Shortly after the war when he was discharged from the Air 
orce, he went into business with t^ro or three of his brothers in a 
irm called the Advertising Specialities Coirrpany in Chicago, Illinois, 
e remained in this business for only a short time and then sold out 
is interest in the company to his brothers. At that time his 
ister, EVA, was living in Dallas, Texas, and was operating a night. 

Nichols (Alice R.) Exhibit No. 5355 — Continued 



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cIuTd in Dallas. She apparently had sone trouble in the manageinent of 
this club, and JACK RUBY came to Dallas from Chicago, investing money 
in the club, and they started operating the club together. She 
believes that this club, name \;inknown to her, vas re-named the Silver 
Spur Club after JACK RUBY became associated with it. 

ALICE REAVES NICHOLS furnished thp following information viu, 
regard to friends and acquaintances of JACK RUBY which she can recall: 

MARTDT GBIHCE: Lifelong friend of RUBY who was originally 

from Chicago, Illinois, and who was 
associated with RUBY for a short time in the operation of 
the Silver Sp\ir Club. GIMELE is now deceased. 

RALPH PAUL: A friend of RUBY of many years standing. PAUL 
.loaned RUBY $2,500.00 which enabled RUBY to 
' purchase the Club Vegas in Dallas, Texas. PAuT. now has the 
Bull Pen Drive-In Restaurant in Arlington, Texas. PAUL and 
RUBY apparently first became acquainted throxigh PAUL'S 
patronage of the Silver Spur Club in Dallas, which RUBY 
operated. PAUL did not have any financial interest in the 1 
Club Vegas or any other business of RUBY's as a result of ■ 
having loaned him money. He took a note instead as evidence 
of this debtovred by JACK RUBY. 

- CECIL and JEAN HAMLBT, husband and irife: These people were 

friends of JACK RU 
beginning shortly after he arrived in Dallas, Texas, from 
Chicago, Illinois, and bought into the Silver Spiir Club. Th 
occasionally helped him with the Silver Spur when he needed 
extra help for a special occasion. Their present whereabout 
are unknown, but CECIL HA14LI1T is believed to be associated 
with a meat cutter's union o?: a baker's union in Dallas, Tex 

Nichols (Alice R.) Exhibit No. 5355 — Continued 



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"LITTLE DADDY" IJELSOU: This man is a Negro entertainer. 

Da-iiciTig and druicrdjig in a band are 
his specialities. JACK RUBY managed IffiLSOH for a short tima 
in ahout 195 6> fi^<i on one occasion took hiiu to Chicago, 
Illinois^ vhere he seciared a job for KELSON, in a night club. 
This job lasted for about one month or six weeks after which 
RUBY and NELSON retvimed to Dallas, Texas. 

NED WEISBROD and SAM LASSEN: These men are originally from 

Chicago, Illinois, and it is 
believed their families have been kncR-m to JACK RUBY for ■ 
many years. V7EISBR0D and LASSEN have been around Dallas, 
Texas, for several years in the selling business. They were 
last known to be selling sporting goods, boats and other 
items of that natiire. They frequented the Silver Spur Bar 
while JACK RUBY operated it. They were also habitues of • 
the Club Vegas which was operated by RUBY. 

ADRIAN HIGH; This man was from Tulsa, Oklahoma, and was in 
the oil business. He allegedly has a brother- 
ia-law in Chicago, Illinois, who is very wealthy and who 
formerly a-Tned a night club called the Chez Paree. This 
club is now closed. HIGI was friendly with JACK RUBY while 
RUBY was operating the Silver Spur Club and also while he 
operated the Club Vegas. HIGH was a contemporary in 
association with RUBY of NED WEISBROD and SAM LASSEN. 

JACK RUBY does not have any enemies of any importance to her 
icwledge. The only person she ever heard him express any animosity 
cward was the man who took over the operation of the Bob Wills Ranch 
ouse Club in Dallas when RUBY lost that club. RUBY told her that he 
onsidered this man to be unfair in his dealings and believed he had 

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■unfairly influenced 0. L, WIMS, the ovmer of the property on vhich 
that cluh was located. This unfair influence vas exerted in getting 
JACK RUBY out of "business there. 

She always got the impression that JACK RUBY was vrell 
liked "by his enrplcyees and "by the customers and other people with 
whom he had contact in the operation of his various night clubs. He 
was generous with his eniployees and would help them and other people 
financially whenever they were ?*n need of help. She does not Deliev< 
that such financial assistance ewer smounted to a great deal of money 
in any individual situation, but he was always ready to come to 
someone's assistance. 



During the time she associated with him, she never received 
the inrpression that JACK RUBY was afraid of anyone or anything. She 
never received any impression that JACK RUBY had any criminal or 
underworld connections either in Dallas, Texas, -or Chicago, Illinois 
He never expressed any fear for his well being or safety and never 
gave her any indication through his conversations that he had any 
worries, with the possible exception of his standing with the Federal 
Internal Revenue Service. He sometimes expressed concern about hew 
much money he owed in taxes. 

RUBY gave her the impression that he was not a very good 
business man. She got this impression from the fact that when he 
wo\ild open a club he would operate it until it was doing good businesi 
and then woiild turn his attention to expansion. She does not believfi 
this is a sound business practice, in that a person should build his 
business on a solid foundation before he undertakes a new business. 

She chai'aeterized JACK RUBY as a gregarious, openhanded 
extrovert, and there was nothing mysterious or conspiratorial in his 

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p.;rsoi2ality a-akeup. He has a quick teiaiper and oii occasion can 126001113 
oaysically violent on veiy short notice. Hovrever, he forgets such 
outbursts quickly, and his temper "cools off" quickly. She has never 
^cnow-n him to harhor a grudge against anyone, vith the possible 
exception of the person mentioned above vho took O'/er the management 
Df the Bob Wills Ranch House Club. 

While she knew him and associated with him, he dated other 
rcmen on occasions, and on occasions she dated other men. JACK RUBY 
ras not a woman-chaser, and she kna/s of no prostitutes or even 
promiscuous women with \i'acm JACK HUBY was ever associated. She 
jelieves that there was a limited nusiber of that type person who 
Trequented some of RUBY's night clubs; however, he did not cater to 
ihat kind of trade, and she does not suppose that there were any 
nore of those people frequenting his clubs th an frequent other clubs 
Ln Dallas. 

Over the years, JACK RUBY has lived in several different . 
-ocations in Dallas^ Texas, most of these being apartment houses. He 
las sometimes lived alone, sometimes living with his ^sister, EVA, and 
sometimes had a male roommate. 

JACK EUBY's social and sexual habits and activities were 
loraial, and she has never received any impression, indication or 
^formation to indicate that JACK RUBY has any homosexual tendencies. 

^■Thile she associated with him, JACK RUBY gambled on 
)Ccasions, and this is one of the principal reasons she never seriously- 
considered marrying him. She does not believe he gambled in any large 
■mounts of money, and that he confined the gaiubling activities to card 
;anies. He ne^'er discussed his gambling' activities ojr- preferences with 
ler. The only club operated by JACK RUBY where any gamblers hung out 
ras the Club Vegas. She recalled that one (FMU) MC WILLIE and one 
'OHMiT ROSS, who were both gamblers, frequented the Club Vegas. She 

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does not "believe, however, that these men had ar:y close friendship 
or acquaintance with JACK RUBY. V/hen RUBY vanted. to gamble he usuall; 
went to the Airtists' Club on St, Paul Street, Dallas, and played in a 
card gaoie which went on .there. The Artists' Club is navf closed. 

She has never known JACK RUBY to ewe acy gambling debt or t 
have any gamblirig debt a^red to him. 

From time to time RUBY enrployed oTf-duty policemen for 
security in the night clubs which he operated. Ee did not allcw 
ra-rdyism of any sort in his clubs, and she has seen him, on a few 
occasions, forcibly remove rowdy people from the premises of his clxib. 
On one occasion while removing such a person, the person bit RUBY on 
one of his fingers and consequently a part of the finger had to be 
amputated. 

JACK RUBY is a healthy physical specimen and keeps himself 
in good shape at all times. He worked out regularly at the YMCA ±a 
Dallas and particularly enjoyed swimming. 

Other forms of recreation enjoyed by JACK RUBY were dinner 
dates, motion pictures and legitimate theater. He is a sports fan 
and particularly likes boxing. Whenever they did date they would 
ehgage in one of those activities. 

RUBY never mentioned to her having had any trouble with 
any individual, group or organization in Chicago, Illinois, or Dallas,,, 
Texas. He would go to Chicago, Illinois, on an average of once a 
year. He always had a specific reason for going to Chicago, such as 
ah illness in the family or a visit. She never knew of any business 
connection. or business reason for his travel to Chicago, IHinois. 

During the time she associated with JACK RUBY she would sea 
him on an average of two times per week. JACK often told her that 

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fee was too good for him or that he vas not good enoTigh for herj hovrever, 
,e vould never tell her why he was mcii±D2 such a statement. He always 
reated her well;, and the only difficulties he had in his personal 
elationships with other people occurred, with employees of the various 
Ight clubs which he operated. 

RTIBY appeared to be interested only casually in politics and 
id not appear to have any strong or definite political pairfcy affiliation. 
hes. never heard him discuss any particular political issues. She never 
eard him express any partic\alar like or dislike for any political figure, 
larty or philosophy. 

She described him as being a highly emotional man^, but she does 
,ot believe JACK RUBY is neurotic. She said he is religious . en-i is very 

oud of his Jewish backgro'und arid heritage. RUBY attends the Temple 
teanuel in Dallas where the Rabbi is GERALD KLEBI and the Temple 
hearith Israel^, which is located on Douglas Street, Dallas, where the 
abbi is HHIEL SILVERMAfl. RUBY does not speak Hebrew or Yiddish 
anguages, and she does not believe he has any kncv/ledge of any other 
oreign languages. 

She advised that she was extremely shocked when she heard . that 
ACK RUBY had shot and killed lEE HARVEY 0S17ALD, and she could think of . 
o reason or explanation for this crime. She said she considered it 
laost unbelievable that JACK RUBY would be capable of such an act, 
nd after having thought much about it she still cannot understand how 
his came about. 

ALICE REAVES KCCHOLS was sham a photograph of LEE EPMEY 
Sy7ALD. She advised that OSWALD is unknown to her, and she does not 
elieve she has ever seen him. She advised further that she does not 
ecall anyone of his likeness or description having been associated 

. ith or acquainted with JACK RUBY during the time she associated with 

- UBY. 

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">-»«<«"•»-»•»»» FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION'-' iCD'^ \ 

iri'V'tlLi . » — ^^ 

%w- 'MALICE REAVES NICHOLS, 8797 Redondo Drive, Dallas, 
Texas, telephone DA 1-3687, telephonically advised that on 
Monday evening, January 13, 1964, a J^r ._ nKN<;nN^, who identified 
himself as a private investigator employed by the defense 
.. attorneys for JACK L. RUBY, came to see her and talked to her 
for about one and one-half hours. This was in relation to her 
knowledge of JACK L. RUBY and particularly to any knowledge she ^ 
had of the whereabouts of RUBY on November 22, 1963. She advised 
that she told Mr, DENSON what she knew and after he had gone that 
evening and during the next two or three days she recalled the 
• interview she had had with SAs ALBERT SAYERS and PAUL L. SCOTT on 
November 25, 1963. She said she believed she had not told SAs 
SAYERS and SCOTT about a telephonic contact she had had with 
JACK L. RUBY on November 22, 1963. 

She furnished the following information with regard to " 
that telephonic contact: 

She had been working at her regular job on that date 
and had gone out to lunch between 1:00 and 2:00 PM. She returned 
from lunch at about 2:00 PM and was advised that she had received 
a telephone call from JACK RUBY while she was. out. He had left a 
telephone number for her to call. At about 2:10 PM she telephoned 
the number and the man answering sounded to her like a Negro. She ,: 
said for this reason she believes the number was probably at the 
Carousel Club; however, she does not know this to be a fact. The 
man who answered the telephone told her that RUBY was on another "'-'':'.. 
telephone at the time, and she left her number at the office, 
Riverside 1-1321, and asked the man to have RUBY call her. 

At about 2:15 PM she received a telephone call from JACK 
RUBY. This call lasted for only about one minute and RUBY was 
apparently calling to tell her what a terrible thing he thought it 
was that President KENNEDY had been assassinated. 

RUBY again called her on November 22, 1963, at about 
7:30 PM at her home. This was also a very short conversation, 
and he mentioned to her that he was going to the Synagogue, He 
also told her that his clubs were closed. She does not know from 
where RUBY was calling. This is the last contact of any kind she 
has had with JACK L. RUBY, 

^Jx. No. 5356 NICHOLS, A. R. Deposition^ 

Dallas \ 4-14-6A 



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. . , , ^ ALBERT SAYERS - LAC ,._,.. 1/18/64 

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She advised that she had received a subpoena which was 
issued by the defense to appear in court at Dallas on Monday, 
January 20, 196U. 

She advised that the only other contact she has had 
other than the interview with SA SAYERS and SA SCOTT and the 
conversation with Mr, DENSON in connection with the JACK RUBY 
case has been a telephone call from SA LEO L. ROBERTSON of the 
FBI at Dallas and a telephone call on December 31, 1963, from a 
newsman of the Associated Press. She did not know that man's 
name and declined to discuss anything with him. She said when 
SA ROBERTSON called he asked her if the names of several people 
were known to her or familiar to her. She recalls that she did 
not know any of the people whom he named. 

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February 10, 1964 



Jlr. Leon Jav/orski 

Attorney at Lav/ 

Bank of the Scuthv/est Building 

Iloustoa 2, Taxas 

Dear Leoa: 

This v/ill acknowlecJs© receipt of your letter of 
February 5, 1964 v;IiGro you asked that I relate to you 
an account of my visit with Lee Ilarvey Osv;ald while ho 
was ia custody of the City of Dallas police. 

On Saturday afternoon following the assassination 
on Friday, Z was contacted by a lav^yer friend of cine v;ho 
wanted to knov/ whether or not Oswald was boins represented 
by an attorney at the tirae. I told him that I did not 
know, but would uaI:o an inquiry into the matter because • 
it had occurred to mo that soao question nifjht bo raised 
as to his lack of representation during a critical tiae 
nr'te-r his arrest. 

X then contaced a Dallas attorney who is active 
in the practice of criminal lav7 and asked hin to give me 
his opinion as to the roQuircmeats of the State law for 
an appoiatraent of an attorney by the Court. lie advised 
tue that under the State law, there would to no obligation 
for the Court to appoint an attorney until the nan had 
been indicted by a Grand Jury. Since there had been no 
iadictnont at that tiKO, he thought 'xhoro v;as no obliga- 
tion for an attorney to be appointed. 

I then contacted the District .attorney to deteraine 
whether or not he know if Oswald was then represented by 
an attorney. Ho advised mo that so far as he know, Oswald 
T;as not then represented by an attorney, nor had ho made 
any demand or request that an attorney be appointed to 
represent him or taade available to him. 



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I then contacted a Captain on tlio City of Dallas 
FolicG Force to detoi-aiino v/hotiier or not CGv;alcJ was rop- • 
resonted by an attorney or v/hothcr ho had mado any domand 
for an attorney. This Captain, v;ho is an administrative 
assistant to the Chief oi" Police, advised mo that so far 
as he knev/, Csv/ald was not thcii represented by an attorney, 
and that ho had nado no roqi^ost of the Police that an at- 
torney be made available to him or that ho be periiiitted to 
call any attorney. Ho ftarthor stated that so far as he 
know, when Csv/ald appeared before the liasristrato on Friday 
night, that no request had boon made by Oswald that 
an attorney be appointed. The Captain fui*ther stated that 
he understood that efforts v;ere bains tnado by soacone to 
contact an attorney in New York who might be interested 
in roprcsentins Oswald. I ashed the Captain to advise 
mo that if Oswald desired an attorney and did not have 
one, that the Dallas Ear Association would attor.ipt to see 
that one was made available to hira. The Captain then ad- 
vised me that 2 was perfectly v/elcoino to come down and 
see Osv/ald and detorrsine myself whether or not Oswald 
desired an attorney. I told the Captain that I had not 
yet decided whether or not anything needed to be done, 
but that I would be in touch v;ith hira if I should decide 
to co'^Q down to the City Kail. 

After discussing the matter with tv/o or three other " 
attorneys, I concluded that perhaps it would bo wise if 
I went down to the City Ilall a.nd see Oswald, and see for 
myself that he was not boins deprived of his I'islits to an 
attorney and that if he desired to have the Court or the 
Bar Association to provide an attorney for him. 

At about 5:00 or 5:30PI3 Saturday afternoon, I then 
went to the City Hall and went to the office of the Cliicf 
of Police. The Chief said that he v;as glad to see rae and 
he personally took cie to the jail v;here Oswald was located. 
The Chief intx-oduced mo to Oswald and offered to make avail- 
able a place for me to talk to Oswald, but I advised hira 
that the cell would be satisfactory. The Chief then stepped 
back so as to permit iao to coaverso with Osv/ald without any 
interference on his part. 



Nichols (H. Louis) Exhibit A — Continued 
744-731 O-64-vol. XX 45 685 



ilr. Looa JaworsUi 
Pago 3 



X asRiti introdvicod nysolf to Oswald and aclvisod 
him that I v;as Proeideat of tho Dallas Ear Acsociation 
and had cciic up to deteraiao v/hothor or not fco had an 
attorney to reprsEoat hits or v.hothcr ha do:;ircd tliat tho 
Dallas Dar Aascclatioa do anythins toward obtaiiiinj aa 
attoruoy to i-cprecoat Mia. iir. Osv/ald stated that he 
dosircd to bo rcprcceatcd by aa attorney naT.Qd Johr. Apt 
or Abt of Ihow York City and asked ks iS I know this lav;- 
yer. a told him that I did cot. lio then acl'.cd ko LS X 
knew aay Eallas lav/ysr who was a tr.ctibsr o£ tlio /j^oricaa 
Civil Liborties Uniou. I told hini I did not. Ila thea 
stated that ho v/as a Eisabor o:? the Aasricau Civil Liberties 
Union. I a^ain acltod hie whether he desired that either I or 
the 2allas Car Association do aaythiiS^ at that tine toward 
gottir.f: hini an attorney to I'oprosont hiQ. He stated that if 
hs ccuid not get tho iTov; Yori;: lav/yox' or ±S ho could not get 
a lav^yer who v.-as a r.ombor oZ tho /iiicricau Civil iibortios 
Union to represent him, and if there was a~ attorney in 
Dallas v.'ho believed as ho did, and believed in the things 
hs beiioved in, and believed in his ianocsaco as niuch as 
ho could, that he night call on us in the follov/iiig week 
about getting such a lawyer. I again ashed bin if ha 
wanted anything dons at this tise. Ee stated that ho did 
not, but that I r.ight contact hiu during tho xollowing v;eek 
and ho would let ce know whether or not he desired the Dallas 
Bar Association to do anything. 

After satisfying nyself that he kcev; what ho was doing 
aad that ho did not appear to be in a position of being de- 
prived of his rights to counsel, and after satisfying myself 
that ho did not desire that cither I or the Dallas Bar Abbo- 
ciatioa do anything at that tice, I thea loft. 

I v.'as with LiT. Osv/ald probably 4 or 5 minutes and sat- 
isfied nyself that ho appeared to be In a position to know 
what ho wanted and that ho did not desire cy services or the 
Bar's services to do anything for him at that tiaa. 

At no time while I was in with hin did he indicate 
that he had boon deprived of an opportunity to call a law- 
yer or to othorv/isG seek legal advice, ncr did he indicate 
to me in any way that he had been uiistreatod. Ko Eorely 
stated that ho had been hold incommunicado and didn't know 
i,v;hat it was all about. 



lir. Lcoa Jav.'orskl 



I.ly pcrconal reaction' was that Osv;ald was in full 
control o-i: his faculties, aud v.-as ucithor boilic;GrGr.t 
nor did ho r.urjoar to S3i' fric:htonod or subduod v.nd that 
he did not desire tho Sallaa Ear /^sociation to provide 
him ccimsol, but folt that if ho did not got a la-rjcr 
of his ov.'ii choosing to roprGsen.t hin, that an attorney 
would b3 uiado available if requested hy h±n. 

1 trust that this information is sufficient to 
ansv'^r your in::uiry ro-iarctins this mattor, but if there 
is anythiac f\irthor that i can do, please lot r.e know. 

V/ith personal best v/ishcs, I am 

Very truly yours, 



H. Louis Nichols 



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ro-ioa (n.«.s4-«t) FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 

1 n«*. 11/29/63 



ROBERT L, NORTON, owner, Pago Club, 4611 Cole, 
telephone LA 6-5710, advised that at about midnight, Noyeaber 
23, 1963, JACK RUBY came by his place and sat at a table 
near the orchestra. 

When he observed RUBT, be sat down at the table 
with him, commented what a terrible thing for the President 
to have been assassinated, and asked RUBT if bis place 
was closed. He replied that it was, and after drinking a 
Coca-Cola, RUBT complimented NORTON on the operation of bis 
olub, and left. 

NORTON commented on bow calm EUBT appeared to baye 
been, daring this visit and RUBT .bad not made any specif io 
connent about tb« assassination. (^ 








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TRANSLATOR'S NOTE : It is noted that the original letter is written in a conversa- 
tional and personal vein without regard for proper punctuation. 

Nueva Gerona, Dec. -25, '63 
My Children : 

From the visit of my brothers, I learned about you. It is a consolation to hear that 
our children are taking very good advantage of the time. It is one more compensa- 
tion of Divine Providence for our sufferings. It is difficult to write these days in 
which memories are so vivid and it is almost impossible to coordinate ideas because 
emotion chokes us. It is at Christmas time when sentiments, through the soitow of 
absence, draw us closer to our loved ones. The more presents we have the more we 
are aware of the separation. But the sorrow is not important, my children, and if 
having you always in my heart and thinking intensely of you, it increases, then blessed 
be the sorrow ! Fortunately, we are strong ; a great faith sustains us with the firmest 
hopes of our soon being reunited with the family. Any of the steps that are being 
taken must prosper. Our desires for peace, to live in the company of our children, 
stir us to hope a little for comprehension and assistance. At this time of the year, :>0 
years ago, Mama and I were an engaged couple in love, full of illusions and faith in the 
future. "We were enjoying the preparations for the marriage which happily would 
eternally unite our destinies. We were making at that time many plans, converted 
since into a full and beautiful reality. We were ecstatically dreaming about the great 
adventure of love, and you. my children, were the summation of our dreams. We were 
in ectasy over the prospect of many children, the combination of our flesh, of our blood, 
of our souls in the purest ideals of parents in bloom. Our de.sires were culminated with 
the arrival of such a beautiful group of children exceeding our expectations — our aspi- 
rations — children extremely gifted with the most brilliant qualities and virtues ; — 
honest — intelligent — children who have the love and respect of one another — who adore 
and devotedly admire their parents — children who work hard, study earnestly — who 
make sacrifices whenever necessary. In sum, good children, a benefit to the family 
and to society — loving children who gladly cooperate with one another without com- 
plaint — who go through life joined fraternally in perfect communion with God and 
family. Such are our children for whom today and every day in our prayers we 
humbly thank God. The All Powerful gives you, my children, a glory of a repeated 
verse of a most beautiful descendency ! What else in the world can surpass it? 
Nothing that I may know and it is for this reason that I want to sum in that idea 
my great desire of happiness for each one of my children at this Christmas time. 
On the anniversary, shower Mama with pretty cards, letters, photos and as much as 
can make her happy. It occurs to me, Cesar, that you with Mauricio, could give her a 
good gift. I am not referring now to the marvelous gift of free giving, it is a little 
grand gift. Since he has so many resources and friends, he could arrange that on the 
basis of her 30 years, her photo be published in a newspaper section. It would be 
something to fill us with pride, to do justice to this great wife and mother so that her 
friends may not forget her. That would do us all good and the reason is plausible. 
Not always are so many years of marriage completed encompassed with so many chil- 
dren and grandchildren, nor under the circumstances which surround it. If you do 
not have a good photo, ask Felo immediately for it. (I imagine some persons pale 
with envy, among them some neurotic!) I am not able to give any gift, but I pray for 
(her/your) health and ask for (her/it) so intensely that God is listening to me. 
Freddie is getting along very well in his studies. It has taken him time and work, 
but in the end he will graduate from this course. I always believed that he would, 
but I fear for him for the vei-y hard examinations that await him. Sally also — I do 
not know what career — and I am grateful to Jim because he wishes, as we, that she 
continue studying until receiving her doctorate. He would only desire to offer his 
assistance and inspiration. I received a telegram from Felo explaining the call that 
he made to Cesar after the visit. I am happy that he calmed you. and I am presently 

Odio Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



689 



all right, and give yoi; my messages. I know that every one has moved tirelessly and 
that on our negotiations being renewed, we will be in first place. To all, I am thankful 
for Mama who needs to rest with peace and security. My daughters, in spite of the 
problemfi that you have, you have found time to move Heaven and earth and our great 
son with his business relations has succeeded in locating us in a preferable place. I 
received a letter from Sari on Oct. 27, from Silvia, with her photo in the office — the 3rd 
that I received ; of the rest I do not know what they look like now — on Nov. 8, from 
Cesar, Julie and Lolie on Nov. 11. Thus we are able to endure solitude. Thus they 
help us to wait. Mama telegraphed me, content because she already received many. 
Remember that you must take a moment and write to one another. It is sad to read 
that there are times when you do not know about one another "because the telephone 
is expensive now." Annie needs to adopt a firm resolution for the New Year of involv- 
ing herself in the responsibilities of the family. We are proud of your conduct in col- 
lege, in a strange home. We are completely satisfied in having such a good and studious 
daughter who has perfectly fulfilled her obligations. But you have not kept contact 
with your sisters — too often unmindful of their problems when you should share them. 
Therefore, my pretty brunette, you yourself think of the best way to cooperate with 
them. It would be nice for you to share the time with your brothers and sisters. 
Would it be possible, love, for you to spend week-ends and vacations at Silvia's house? 
In this way you could be of great benefit, just as Lolie has been for some time with 
Julie. You are a complete woman. You understand that you have obligations, in 
addition to your studies which you are to pursue with eagerness above everything. If 
what I suggest upsets in any way your school tasks, then you should continue as you 
are and in no way should you neglect them. Understood? I leave it to your own 
judgment, but anyway maintain frequent contact with all the family, and watch out 
for parties and drinking ! Silvia, it is difficult to become oriented with you — who are 
in contact with the atmosphere and who have taken up to now so many intelligent and 
proper steps. You will continue with that vast experience, determining what ought 
to be done on each occasion. It is one more reason for pride for us. Before I forget, 
let me congratiilate you on your fine position. You are worthy of these distinctions. 
Tell me who this is who sa.vs he is my friend — he careful. I do not have any friend 
who might be here, through Dallas, so reject his friend shii> until you give me his name. 
You are alone, without men to protect you and you can be deceived. Grant me, blondie, 
the additional sacrifice of not going out Wednesda.vs with your girl friends. Stay for a 
good time at home. You still are not free — you should avoid everything that might 
affect your good name. Never accept going out with anyone or to the house of anyone 
if you are not accompanied by your brothers. That of Guille is still not definite — he can 
return — I am sure that he loves you and adores his children in his way. He was 
criminally indisposed against you by his neurotic mother. When you have to be under- 
standing, make yourself interested, but be careful not to exceed. Do not abandon 
literature. Persevere, write a good book even though it takes you years. Sarita, love, 
your letters are always interesting to me in that you tell me everything is marvelous. 
It is the best sedative for calming my anxieties for information concerning the family. 
Your letters, as those of all your brothers and sisters, fill my life with joy and hopes. 
They come to be the only light which enters the darkness in which I am living. I 
regret not having received yet a photo of your Jim. Mama was enchanted by him. 
I hope that Cesar furnishes you with spending money in sufficient amount. Do not 
scrape — please — go to your brother. It would please me for the elders to arrange for 
an allowance. I leave it to your judgment. Tell me as much as you can of your activi- 
ties. Lolie, beautiful blonde, you do not tell about yourself even though, in spite of 
being an adolescent, you are already a woman because of the harsh experience through 
which you have live<l. Your labors and sufferings have made you grow intellectually 
and spiritually. I am happy that you have in C. and J. the tenderness of brothers and 
parents. Soon you will again be my little spoiled girl, my heart's desire. Take care of 

Odio Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



690 






rebellions. Study and work gladly. Cesar, Julie, beloved children, there is hardly 
space left. I am happy with your progress in the program. To Ama, Javier, Jorge, 
Freddie, Marianne, I express how anxious I am to hold you against my heart! To 
Gretel and Raul my thanks. Fond regards to Carola, Carmen Rosa, Rene. Loving 
greetings and my thanks to all but especially to Mauricio and Joe— kisses— Papa 

Amador Odio 
No. 3126(X— Cir. 1 

Odio Exhibit No. 1— Continued 




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AMERICAN OPINION 




An Informal Review MARCH, 1964 $1.00 




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692 






Mj i ; ii jnm il I I n «i y. »! ln.A"Ul ' WI'- ' "W" ' 



Volume VII - Number 3 



Editor 
Robert Welch 

Managing Editor 
Scott Stanley, Jr. 

Associate Editors 

Slobodan M. Draskovich 

Francis X. Gannon 

Revilo p. Oliver 

E. Merrill Root 

Contributing Editors 

CoLM Brogan 

Medford Evans 

Westbrook Pegler 

Charles Callan Tansill 

Hans Sennholz 

Editorial Assistant 
Marian Probert Welch 

Circulatioit 
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Business Manager 
Richard N. Ober 

Editorial 
Advisory Committee 
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of this magazine. But no respon- 
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members of this Committee for 
any specific articles, items, or 
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CONTENTS — MARCH, 1964 

Assassination . . . Honorable Martin Dies, Sr. 1 

Tito Charles Callan Tansill 11 

They Paused To Remark 20 

Nine Men Alan Stang 7,1 

Ad Hominem Taylor Caldwell 33 

If You Want It Straight .... Robert Welch 41 

Principles Of Economics . . . Hans Sennholz 47 

Moffitt On Films ...... Jack Moffitt 49 

Oliver On Books Revilo P. Oliver 53 

The Idea E. Merrill Root 57 

Marxmanship In Dallas . . . Revilo P. Oliver 65 

A Review Of The News . . Frartcis X. Gannon 79 

To The Editor gi 

Poetry edited by E. Merrill Root 95 

Oil Portrait Daniel M. Cana^ran Cover 



February 14, 1964 
Dear Reader: 

Mark Twain said that a d'tference of opinion is what makes 
horse races. It is also what makes magazines. 

If we did not disagree with many people on many things 
there would be no point in publishing American Opinion. 
While if we did not disagree among ourselves, we could have 
this magazine written by the office boy. (Which he thinks would 
mean a big improvtment.) 

The core of this discourse is that, contrary to what you 
have recently been told by about half of the press of the United 
States, American Opinion is not the voice of The John_Bircb 
Society. It is not even the voice of your editor, except in those 
paragraphs which are published over my name. In fact, in con- 
nection with the very article in our last issue which caused 
several dozen assorted editorial writers to have apoplexy, I dis- 
agreed with a part of the major premise and with some of the 
conclusions. But I still say, as I did then, that it was a superb 
commentary, which we were delighted to present to our readers. 

Naturally my views are the only completely orthodox ones 
extant. But in this current issue, from what I have seen at the 
galley proof stage, there are enough heresies to start a new 
magazine. For we are not publishing the work of robots, but of 
several of the best informed and most brilliant writers in the 
whole realm of American Conservative thought. 

May you, as Milton would have put it, find their opinions 
helpful in the building of knowledge. 

Sincerely, 



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And Its Aftermath 




Congressman Martin Dies of Texas 
served seven years as Chairman of the 
House Committee on Un-American Ac- 
tivities, the historic 
Dies Committee. 
Now practicing law 
in Texas, Congress- 
man Dies remaint 
one of the most out- 
spoken foes of the 
International Com- 
munist Conspiracy. He is author of the 
recent and explosive volume, Martin 
Dies' Story — which we recommend. 

■ In the first chapter of Theodore 
Roscoe's The Web of Conspiracy , which 
is the story of the assassination of 
President Lincoln, Roscoe says that the 
murder of Lincoln by John Wilkes 
Booth could not be concealed by offi- 
cial censorship, or the government's 
juggling of English, or a propaganda 
treatment, or re-writing of history: 

'What censorship, phrase-juggling, 
propaganda, and the doctoring of 
history did conceal was the fact that 
Booth could not have murdered Lin- 
coln had not Lincoln been be- 
trayed. . . . 

The betrayal which permitted a 

■ - lone gunman to walk into a theater 

in the nation's capital and shoot 

down the President was securely 

hidden away. 

This concealment and distortion of 
'the truth is a black chapter in our 
nation's history. Such a thing may be 
far more serious in the tragic case of 



MARCH, 1964 



the murder of President Kennedy. 

I 

It is difficult to understand why 
President Johnson at first approved a 
Texas Inquiry by the Attorney General 
of Texas, and then appointed a com- 
mission headed by Chief Justice War- 
ren, and then yielded to Warren's in- 
sistence — accompanied by a threat of 
resignation — that the Texas Inquiry 
not be held. 

What G)nstitutional authority is 
there for such a Presidential com- 
mission? Why was not the Committee 
on Un-American Activities, or the 
Senate Internal Security Sub-Committee 
permitted to conduct the probe? And 
why did President Johnson ignore the 
proposal of a close personal friend of 
the President and a member of the 
Presidential commission, that a bi- 
partisan Committee of Congress con- 
duct the investigation? Why was it 
deemed necessary to establish a com- 
mission of dubious Constitutional au- 
thority — to say the least — handpicked 
by a President seeking reelection? 

Why was Chief Justice Warren ap- 
pointed chairman of this commission? 
As a member of the Supreme Court he 
may even be confronted with the ap- 
peal of Jack Rubenstein. Though he 
disqualifies himself, his inconsistent 
roles as Chief Justice of the Supreme 
Court and chairman of the commission 
may taint the findings of the com- 
mission, as well as a later decision of 
the Supreme Court. It has even been 
widely reported that Warren is on 
record as opposing the impropriety of 

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Olivek Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



694 



such* a dual role. He did not, however, 
refuse the chairmanship. Why choose 
Warren when there are millions of 
Americans, rightly or wrongly, who do 
not have confidence in the Chief Justice 
because of his persistent defiance of the 
great legal principle of stare decisis (to 
stand by decided cases) ? 

The doubts expressed here are not 
meant to reflect upon the patriotism 
of Justice Warren or the other mem- 
bers of this commission. But, under 
our system of freedom, Americans have 
a right, and it is their duty, to ask such 
questions. 

II 

Within one hour of the President's 
death the Dallas police arrested Lee 
Harvey Oswald, and the fact that he 
was a pro-Castro s)mpathizer and a 
"Marxist" was made public. Never- 
theless the usual "Liberal" spokesmen 
blamed the President's death upon 
"right-wing extremists" and "hate 
mongers." The Voice of America 
beamed to the world the indictment 
that Dallas was a city "of the extreme 
right-wing movement." Tass, the offi- 
cial Russian News Agency said: "Presi- 
dent Kennedy of the United States has 
been assassinated. His death is blamed 
on extreme right groups." It reported 
that it got this information from the 
Voice of America- 
Even after the news services pub- 
lished the facts about Oswald — his de- 
fection to Russia; his affidavit re- 
nouncing American citizenship; his 
residence in Russia; his record of Com- 
munist beliefs and activities, which 
were well known to our government 
and nationally publicized before the 
murder of the President — the spokes- 
men for so-called "Liberals," and the 
duped or uninformed, continued to link 
"right-wing extremists" with "left-wing 
extremists" as responsible for the mur- 
der. Oswald has almost always been 
dt:scribed as a "Marxist" and not a 



Communist, even after the evidence 
was conclusive that he was a Com- 
munist and that, like so many Com- 
munists, he used the words Marxist and 
Communist interchangeably. While it 
is true that Socialists, Social Democrats, 
and other Left-wing groups, as well as 
many so-called "Liberals," derive their 
social and political philosophy from 
Karl Marx, the only groups whose 
members label themselves "Marxist" are 
Communist. . As. a matter of fact the 
Communists have always contended 
that they are the only true Marxists in 
the world. After all, Karl Marx did 
write the Communist Manifesto. 

To many uninformed people a 
Marxist is much different from a Com- 
munist. It is therefore extrem.ely im- 
portant for the "powers that be" to 
conceal or becloud the fact that the 
President of the United States was 
murdered by a Communist whose 
record of Communist activity was well 
known to our government; whose place 
of work on the day of the murder was 
well known to our government, and 
who was thus — knowingly — allowed a 
perfect opportunity to kill the President, 
The enforcement of our anti-Com- 
munist laws and the most elementary 
precaution could have prevented the 
dastardly act. Our government knew 
about Communist Oswald but it did 
not act as the law required! 

Ill 

It is equally important for the gov- 
ernment to convince our people that 
Oswald was acting on his own initiative 
and not in furtherance of a foreign or 
domestic conspiracy. (Later I will show 
why there has been a concerted cam- 
paign to disassociate Oswald from 
Communists at home and abroad.) On 
November twenty-third there was an 
Associated Press story from Washing- 
ton which quoted authorities of the 
State Department as saying, "they have 
no evidence indicating involvement of 

AMEBdCAN OPINION 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



695 



the Soviet Union or any other foreign 
power in the assassination of President 
Kennedy." The Associated Press said 
on November twenty-third that Oswald 
was a "loner" and kept pretty much to 
himself. This line was followed many 
times in the so-called "Liberal" news- 
papers and on television and radio. 

Stories appeared in the newspapers 
to the effect that, when Oswald was a 
child in New York, a teacher warned 
of his mental condition. The "Liberal" 
columnists and television commentators 
continued to emphasize that President 
Kennedy was the victim of "extreme 
rightists and hate mongers." Minis- 
terial associations, even in Dallas, 
warned against "extremists" and "hate 
mongers," CORE and NAACP issued 
a statement that President Kennedy was 
killed because he championed human 
rights (meaning -the Civil Rights Pro- 
gram). Even President Johnson, in his 
first speech to Congress, warned against 
"extremists and hate mongers." In fact 
the vast majority of "Liberal" leaders, in 
and out of the government, seized upon 
this opportunity to divert attention from 
the all important facts that President 
Kennedy was shot by a Communist,* 
that thirty years of investigation of 
Communism by Congress and by other 
countries proved the basic and ele- 
mentary fact that every Communist 
must accept ironclad discipline and obey 
orders, and that Communists never 
commit political crimes except in obe- 
dience to orders of superiors. 

In the first Report issued unanimous- 
ly by the Dies Committee — composed 
of Democrats, Republicans, "Liberals," 
and conservatives — we found: 

The Communists in the United 
States openly admit their allegiance 
to the Communist International at 
Moscow, and glory in the fact that 
. they obey all the orders issued from 
there immediately and implicitly. . . . 
The following statement appears on 



the 19} S membership card of the 
Communist party, originals of which 
were introduced as evidence before 
the committee: "The undersigned 
declares his allegiance to the program 
and statutes of the Communist In- 
ternational and of the Communist 
Party of the United States of 
America, and agrees to submit to the 
discipline of the party and to engage 
actively in its work." . . . The Com- 
munist International is dominated 
by the Russian Communist party 




Vi/hat Communist Oswald saw as he assas- 
sinated President Kennedy. 

and Soviet officials, and could not 
e^ist without the wholehearted sup- 
port of the leaders of the Russian 
Communist party and the financial 
backing of the Soviet Government. 

That Report was submitted to 
Congress on January 3, 1939, and a copy 
of it went to every member of Congress 
and of the Executive Branch of the 
government. It was printed in news- 
papers throughout the country and dis- 
tributed to public libraries. The quoted 



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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 

Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



696 



excerpts have been reaffirmed by every 
Committee of Congress or agency of 
the Executive Branch which has ever 
investigated Communism. This prin- 
ciple of discipHne (unquestioned execu- 
tion of orders of superiors) has been 
demonstrated throughout the world 
upon too many occasions to enumerate. 
It is true that since our investigation 
and exposure of Communists in this 
country the Communist Party stopped 
issuing cards and printing other in- 
criminating evidence. But Communism 
is dogmatic. It may change its tactics 
from time to time to deceive the un- 
wary, but its basic principle of absolute 
Party discipline, and its objective of 
world conquest, never changes. 

IV 

Is THKRE any question that Oswald 
was a Communist.'' 

The Associated Press in a story from 
Dallas quoted Dallas Police Chief Jesse 
Curry as saying that Oswald admitted 
he was a Communist. Curry added, 
"He didn't try to hide it." In another 
Associated Press story from Dallas, 
dated November twenty-eighth, Dallas 
Police Chief Curry is quoted as saying: 
"He [Oswald] readily admitted he was 
a Communist. Apparently he was 
proud of being a Communist. Last 
year Oswald said in New Orleans he 
was not a Communist but a Marxist. 
But actually Oswald has never drawn 
any distinction between the two." 

District Attorney Henry Wade was 
quoted by the Associated Press as say- 
ing, "There was lots of material (in 
Oswald's room) dealing with Com- 
munism, such as the Daily Worker 
\sic\ and there was even more material 
dealing with Fair Play for Cuba Or- 
ganization." In the same story Chief 
Curry is quoted as saying that, after 
Oswald's arrest, photographs were 
found "showing him standing at at- 
tention with a rifle in one hand and in 
the other a copy of the Communist 



newspaper. The Worker'' 

When Oswald was arrested, accord- 
ing to the Associated Press, "he an- 
nounced he wanted for his lawyer John 
Abt of New York, well known for past 
Communist defendants." 

An Associated Press story dated 
November twenty-fourth reported that 
"When Oswald on November 2, 1959 
turned in his American passport to our 
Embassy in Moscow he presented his 
affidavit which stated: "I affirm that 
my allegiance is to the Soviet Socialistic 
Republic." And he told American Em- 
bassy officials, "I am a Marxist." 

Four years ago, in Oswald's inter- 
view with Priscilla Johnson, on the 
third floor of Moscow's Hotel Metropole, 
he referred to the Soviet Government 
as "my government" and he said: 
"Even if I am not accepted [for citizen- 
ship] on no account will I go back to 
the United States." He said (and this 
was a most significant statement) that 
when he talked to Soviet officials they 
warned that neither Oswald's wish nor 
theirs would determine whether his 
citizenship application was to be ac- 
cepted. They said it depended on the 
"over-all" political atmosphere at the 
moment. Meanwhile they offered Os- 
wald the sanctuary of a prolonged stay 
in the U.S.S.R. 

The husband of one of Oswald's 
landladies (he had a room for his wife 
in Oak Cliff and a room for himself 
near his job under the name of O. H. 
Lee) was reported by the Press as say- 
ing "Oswald talked Marxism, Marxism, 
Marxism. Oswald refused to eschew 
violence as a method for achieving 
ends." [The above statement of Mr. 
Paine was reported by Sid Moody, 
Associated Press newsfeatures writer.] 

There is no dispute about the fact 
that when Oswald was in New Orleans 
he was active in the Fair Play for Cuba's 
local committee, of which he claimed 
to be Secretary. (An investigation and 
Report by the Senate Internal Security 



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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



697 



Sub-Committee showed conclusively 
that these groups were largely financed 
by Castro. FBI Chief J. Edgar Hoover 
stated that these committees were heavi- 
ly infiltrated by Communists.) He was 
even shown on a national television net- 
work carrying a pro-Castro placard. 

In a story which appeared in the 
Dallas Morning News, Assistant Dis- 
trict Attorney William F. Alexander is 
quoted as saying that evidence found in 
Oswald's Oak Cliff room proves he was 
"an active worker in the Communist 
Party." He said the evidence included 
letters in which a Communist leader 
thanked Oswald "for past services." 

How much more evidence would be 
required to prove that Oswald was a 
Communist? For years the Communist 
Party has not issued membership cards 
or kept written records. During the 
early years of the Dies Committee we 
were able to secure membership cards 
from the various police departments 
and other sources. We compiled the 
only Hst of Communists in the United 
States that is in existence. The original 
list was left with the Committee when 
I quit Congress in 1945. What hap- 
pened to that list I do not know. I do 
know that, since the Communist Party 
discontinued keeping any written rec- 
ords, there is no evidence more con- 
clusive of Communist membership or 
affiliation than the evidence marshalled 
against Lee Harvey Oswald. 



In my next article, I hope to discuss 
the circumstances linking the Soviet 
Union with Oswald's murder of the 
President. Naturally such evidence 
miist be circumstantial and based upon 
the dogmatic pattern of Communist 
behavior. The Communists are too 
clever to leave any trace of connection 
with Oswald other than certain cir- 
cumstances I hope to discuss. 

I shall also suggest the probable 
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about being a Communist. 

asked by many people: "Will the 
Warren commission report the truth?** 
This question does not infer that the 
members of the commission are lacking 
in integrity and patriotism. But one 
columnist pointed out we cannot expect 
very much from the commission be- 
cause no member of the commission 
has had any investigative experience 
and the commission must rely upon the 
reports of other groups. In a sense each 
of these agencies is itself under investi- 
gation. This columnist, who writes for 
a large newspaper chain, said that it is 
naive to expect these officers to bear 
witness against themselves or, indeed, 
each other. He commented that it is 
not in the nature of bureaucracies to 
destroy their carefully nurtured fables 
of omniscience. 

I am not prepared to fully agree with 
the columnist. But as I shall explain, 
there are strong and compelling polit'cal 
reasons, as well as present international 
factors, to influence this probe and pre- 
vent a full disclosure of all of the ugly 
facts that have been camouflaged for 



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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



698 



years but have now come to a climax in 
the assassination of President Kennedy. 

It must be remembered that all gov- 
ernments, including our own, suppress 
or distort facts in the name of national 
security or international policy. All of 
us recall that after our U-2 was shot 
down over Soviet territory the State 
Department issued a statement that this 
plane had strayed from its course, into 
Russian territory. When the Com- 
munists challenged our release about 
the plane, our President admitted that 
it was engaged in observation of mili- 
tary installations in Russia. It was 
finally admitted that we had been 
making these flights for some time. 

One must also keep in mind that it 
is not difficult for any Administration 
to persuade any Congressional Com- 
mittee that it must suppress vital facts 
in the interest of national security or 
our international policy. The Congress- 
men have no way of knowing or dis- 
covering whether certain facts will 
endanger our national security or inter- 
national policy. They must rely upon 
the judgment and integrity of the Ad- 
ministration in power, which pre- 
sumably has all the necessary facts upon 
which a correct judgment must be 
based. 

Sometimes the request of an Ad- 
ministration is sincere. Sometimes it is 
made for political purposes at home, 
which have nothing to do with national 
security or international policy. Having 
associated wilh politicians all my life, 
frankness compels me to confess that 
the great majority of them are strongly 
influenced by the all-important con- 
sideration of winning elections. Their 
business, whether Congressman or 
President, is getting elected and staying 
elected. Politicians, with very rare ex- 
ceptions, never confess mistakes. An 
Administration will do a great deal to 
prevent the exposure of its blunders. 

Perhaps in these human weaknesses 
politicians are not much different from 



the general run of humanity. The great 
difference is that we have a right to ex- 
pect our public officials to put our 
country's real interests above their own 
political interests. All of them solemnly 
swear to God that they will subordinate 
self in the service of our country. There 
have been many glorious periods in our 
history when the great majority of 
public servants performed their duties 
faithfully in fulfillment of oaths of 
office. These bright periods are be- 
coming increasingly less frequent — to 
the dire peril of our American Republic. 
Will the Warren commission be dif- 
ferent? On January nineteenth, counsel 
for the Warren commission stated that 
the commission will have to consider 
the possible timing of its report. What 
he did not say was that a commission 
which will consider the "timing" of its 
report will likely consider the political 
effect of that report. 

VI 

In order to overcome the skepticism 
of millions of Americans who have 
honest doubts about the Warren com- 
mission, the commission must discover 
and publish all of the facts about the 
role of Jack Rubenstein in the assassina- 
tion of President Kennedy. The com- 
mission has at its command the services 
of thousands of intelligence agents and 
police detectives to uncover the truth 
about Jack Leon Rubenstein, who in 
1947 changed his name to Jack Ruby. 
A private citizen has very limited 
facilities. However, I have searched 
some of my records and I have come 
up with certain interesting facts that 
may have no significance. 

I have been informed that the name 
Rubenstein is a common name among 
the Jews. There could be several or 
more Jack Rubensteins. According to 
my records some of the Rubensteins 
spelled their name Rubinstein. At any 
rate there is no question but that in 
1929 a man by the name of Jack Ruben- 



AMERJCAN OPINION 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



699 



stein was on the Executive Bourd of the 
Young Communist League in the 
United States. We have an exhibit 
taken verbatim from the Communist 
Daily Wor\er to prove this fact. The 
Young Communist League is an or- 
ganization for Communists under 
twenty-one years of age. In 1929 the 
Jack Rubenstein, who shot Oswald, 
would have been approximately nine- 
teen years of age. 

According to our records the Jack 
Rubenstein who was a member of the 
Executive Committee or Bureau of the 
Young Communist League also assisted 
in the formation of The Revolutionary 
Youth and the publication Revolu- 
tionary Age. 

I have read in news stories that the 
Jack Rubenstein who shot Oswald has 
a brother Hyman Rubenstein and a 
sister named Ann Rubenstein. Our 
Committee Hearings mention an H. 
Rubinstein and an Annette Rubinstein 
and a Leon Rubenstein. 
- Now all of this may be mere coin- 
cidences and should be given no 
probative force until it is proved that 
the Jack Rubenstein in our records is 
the same person as the Jack Rubenstein 
who shot Oswald. The names Hyman 
and Ann are common names and our 
records only mention an H. Rubinstein 
and a Dr. Annette Rubinstein. I should 
mention, however, that in all my seven 
years of experience in conducting a vig- 
orous probe I found only one instance 
of such duplication of names. If the 
Dallas Jack Rubenstein is not the same 
.person as the Jack Rubenstein who 
was a prominent official of the Young 
Communist League in 1929, the Warren 
commission should produce the real 
Jack Rubenstein or account for his 
whereabouts or death. 

There was a story from Chicago that 
the police records for this period (1929- 
1930) have disappeared. When I held 
Hearings in Chicago they had extensive 
records of Communists, including their 



fingerprints. But even if these records 
are gone, I have furnished one who 
will participate in the inquiry with the 
names of known associates of the Com- 
mittee's Jack Rubenstein. It is reason- 
able to believe that some of these asso- 
ciates are alive. Somewhere there must 
be a photograph of the Jack Rubenstein 
who was in the Young Communist 
League in 1929. 

The H. Rubinstein and Ann Rubin- 
stein could well be different persons 
than the H. Rubinstein and Dr. An- 



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A Jack Rubenstein was a member of th« 
Executive Board of the Young Communist League. 

nette Rubinstein mentioned in our 
Hearings. Unless it is proved other- 
wise it must be assumed that they are 
different persons; but even if they are, 
it Amis ii'ot explain the fact that in 
1929 rher? was a ]ac\ Rubenstein in the 
Communist apparatus. Or does it, Mr. 
Justice Warren? 

VII 

Even if the Jack Rubenstein who 
shot Oswald is a different person frcrn 
the- Jack Rubenstein who was on the 



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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



700 



Executive Bureau of the Young Com- 
munist League in 1929, there are other 
suspicious circumstances about Ruben- 
stein's role in the assassination which 
must be explained. 

According to a story appearing in the 
Dallas Morning News of January 
twenty-first, Jack Rubenstein went to 
Cuba in 1959, about nine months after 
Castro became that country's Com- 
munist dictator. 

A report which appeared in the 
Houston Chronicle December 1, 1963 
said: "Ruby (he had changed his name 
to Ruby from Rubenstein in 1947) was 
born Jack Rubenstein in Chicago, where 
he was known to police as a labor or- 
ganizer, a ticket 'scalper' and a 
gambler with reputed underworld ac- 
quaintances." Victor Riesel reports in 
his column dated November 30, 1963, 
that he had discovered that Ruby's night 
spot at one time was a haunt of Chicago 
hoods who came to Dallas to "case it" 
for a possible "take." He also disclosed 
what he found out about the under- 
world connections of Rubenstein when 
he lived in Chicago. 

Jack Rubenstein has one of the best 
known and highest-paid lawyers in 
America, who announced that $100,000 
in cash had been raised for his client's 
bail bond. At the hearing to determine 
whether to grant Rubenstein a bail 
bond, two psychiatrists testified he 
was mentally unbalanced. One was 
Dr. Walter Bromberg, Clinical Director 
of the Pine wood Psychiatric Hospital 
in Westchester County, New York. 
The other was Dr. Roy Schafer, a psy- 
chologist on the staff of Yale Univer- 
sity. It further appears uncontradicted 
that he cultivated Dallas policemen 
who frequently visited his night club. 
If he is mentally sick and has been for 
many years, even in his childhood, is it 
not strange that some friend, some 
member of his large family, or some 
policeman would not have said or done 
something to indicate that someone 

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considered him mentally sick? 

VIII 

Who is it that is so anxious to defend 
an obscure operator of a third-rate night 
club with the record Ruby is reported 
to have? 

An Associated Press story sum- 
marized the report of the FBI as con- 
cluding that "Lee Oswald was the 
solitary and unaided assassin and that 
]acl{ Ruby had no connection with Os- 
wald or his deadly plan." And, Victor 
Riesel reported that the White House 
was desperately "eager to avoid an 
international incident by appearing to 
give the slightest insinuation of an 
international plot to assassinate John 
Kennedy." 

It appears fantastic that this operator 
of a cheap night club would receive aid 
from every influential source. I am now 
staring at the headline which appeared 
on the front page of the Houston 
Chronicle of January twenty-first. That 
headline reads, " 'Hero-minded' Ruby 
awaits word on Bail." Another story 
says he cried. Still another reports that 
when he was interviewed on television 
he "broke down" when he spoke of 
President Kennedy. We are told by 
his friends, and some members of his 
family, of his great emotional upheaval 
when he learned of the President's 
death. 

At first the defense fed the propa- 
ganda mills the story that his "great 
devotion" to the President produced 
temporary insanity which was respon- 
sible for his act. This "Une" became 
ridiculous in the light of the revelation 
that he did not view the cavalcade, nor 
pay his poll tax, and that he loitered 
around the jail with a gun from the 
time Oswald was imprisoned until he 
had an opportunity to shoot Oswald. 
The "temporary insanity" lasted too 
long. 

Of course Jack Rubenstein should 
not be tried in the Press or by anyone 

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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



744-731 O— 64— vol. XX- 



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who must rely upon Press stories. That 
is not the American way. But when a 
well-organized campaign, evidently 
supplied with ample money, is con- 
ducted to brainwash the American 
people in advance of the trial we have 
a duty to raise these honest questions. 

IX 

I KNOW THAT the great majority of 
our people do not realize that there is, 
and has been since the organization of 
the Communist Party, a gravely men- 
acing and remarkably successful Com- 
munist Conspiracy — in the United 
States and throughout the world. 
Despite more than twenty years of in- 
vestigation and the exposures of the 
Committee on Un-American Activities, 
the Internal Security Sub-Committee of 
the Senate, and the vast quantity of 
literature including the various public 
statements of FBI Chief J. Edgar 
Hoover, our people still do not under- 
stand or believe that there is a sinister 
conspiracy seeking the overthrow of 
our country. 

' One major reason is because few 
people will read or heed the warnings 
of the Red menace. 

Another reason is that revelations 
about this conspiracy are fantastic to the 
Western mind. Many people stooped 
to laugh about serious findings of the 
Dies Committee. Unfortunately, the 
media of information in this country 
have too many times discredited grave 
and truthful revelations as a "publicity 
stunt." And this general disbelief, care- 
fully and shrewdly encouraged by the 
Communists, has greatly facilitated 

■ their conquest of one-third of the 
world's population. But I have listened 
to the testimony of many credible 
former Communists, including the man 
who was in charge of their espionage 
for Western Europe (who himself died 

'in a Washington hotel under mys- 
terious circumstances) and I have 
helped uncover Communist crimes; and 

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names corresponding to those of known Reds. 

from all this experience, study, and 
observation I can often recognize the 
"fine hand" of the Communist Con- 
spiracy. 

If the newspaper reports from which 
I quote in this and the succeeding 
article are correct, certain conclusions 
are inescapable. Since these conclusions 
are based upon newspaper and television 
reports, I do not of course pretend that 
they are in any sense final. If all of the 
sworn evidence available is received 
and released uncensored and undoc- 
tored by the Warren commission, it 
could render my conclusions incorrect. 
But my long study, investigation, and 
observation of the modus operandi of 
the Communist Conspiracy leads mc 
to certain tentative conclusions. 

On the basis of what has been re- 
ported by reliable and trustworthy 
reporters, I believe that Oswald was 
acting under instructions which had 
their original source in Moscow, proba- 
bly relayed through Castro. How Os- 
wald received these instructions I do 
not know. He may have gotten them 



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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



702 



when he went to Mexico City ostensibly 
to apply for a visa to Russia by way of 
Cuba, or he may have gone to Mexico 
City to arrange for his escape after the 
murder of the President. He may have 
received his orders through one of the 
numerous Communist couriers who 
enter and leave this country at will. 

I believe that the reason Oswald was 
not granted citizenship, which would 
have been of great propaganda value to 
the Communists, v/as because he was of 
far greater value to the Communists as 
an American citizen than as a Soviet 
citizen. In permitting him to marry a 
Russian girl, to travel freely in Russia, 
a'^d to be issued a work permit, the 
Communists obviously realized that 
they could use him for some purpose. 
He may have been analyzed as useful up 
to a point. I have seen cards the Com- 
munists kept of fellow travelers: Each 
fellow traveler was carefully studied 
and tried and his value to the cause 
stated on the card. 

I believe that Oswald was acting in 
accordance with the carefully con- 
sidered plans of the most successful 
conspirators the world has ever seen. 
Those plans included a method of 
escape. What it was may never be 
discovered. It may well have been that 
the plan included the liquidation of 
Oswald. Of course this part of the plan 
would have been unknown to him. But 
if the Communists believed that Oswald 
would talk under strong pressure the 
plan certainly included his death. 

One thing is certain — the murder 
of the officer was not planned. Com- 
munists, the same as the criminal 
underworld, forbid the slaying of 



policeme"^. under such circumstances 
because they know that the chances of 
apprehension are grealy increased. A 
police force cannot let the murder of a 
policeman escape detection and punish- 
ment because all policemen would be 
in greater jeopardy. It may be, there- 
fore, that the murder of this policeman 
by Oswald was his death knell. No 
Communist is ever permitted to disobey 
an order or -ignore any detail of his 
instructions. 

As to the reason Moscow and Castro 
wanted the liquidation of President 
Kennedy, no one will ever know. Of 
one thing we may be certain: The 
reason, to the Communists, was urgent. 
Further speculation is idle. 

In my opinion it is unlikely that the 
Communist conspiracy to kill the Presi- 
dent will ever be fully proved. Even if 
there were evidence linking this crime 
to a Communist country, it is doubtful 
that the evidence would ever be re- 
leased, for fear of an international "in- 
cident" or harm to international policy. 

On February fourth, Chief Justice- 
Warren said that~the commission had 
heard testimony which might not be 
available in a lifetime. On February 
fifth, he said that he was being "a little 
facetious" in his statement but that 
some of the testimony could possibly 
touch on national security matters. It 
is therefore probable that the truth will 
never be known about the murder of 
Mr. Kennedy and the reasons Ruben- 
stein murdered Communist Oswald, 
unless patriotic individuals and or- 
ganizations discover and publish the 
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WHAT HATH GOD WROUGHT?. 



H In a friendly exchange of telegrams recently the chairman of the Amherst Town 
Committee, Carl A. Keyser, edged Governer Nelson Rockefeller in the political game of 
upmanship. Here are the telegrams: "To Carl Keyser: "Happy and I want you to know 
that Ass't Atty. Gen. Don Whitehead and Rep. Bob Hahn, both of Stoughton, have agreed 
to head my Massachusetts campaign. We would deeply appreciate any advice and assistance 
you can give Don and Bob. Cordially, Nelson A. Rockefeller." "To Nelson A. Rockefeller: 
"Dottie and I want Happy and you to know that we are already committed to Peggy and 
Barry. Please advise Don and Bob. Carl A. Keyser." 



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Revilo P. Oliver is Professor of Classics 
in the University of Illinois. During 
World War II, he was Director of Re- 
search in a secret 
agency of the War f 
Department. He has 
traveled widely. Dr. 
Oliver is an acade- 
mician of interna- 
tional reputation 
who has published 
scholarly articles in four languages with- 
in the pages of twelve learned period- 
icals in the United States and Europe. 



■ Henceforth, no American has an 
excuse for illusion. He has had an 
ocular demonstration of who and what 
his enemies arc. And that lesson is 
repeated every day as his enemies, reck- 
lessly exposing themselves, try to carry 
out their original plan in spite of 
Comrade Oswald's bungling. 

The assassination and its aftermath 
must have given to many Americans 
the shock that each of us must some- 
how feel in his own being before he 
can understand what Communists real- 
ly are and why they are seeking to kill 
or enslave him. That understanding 
does not automatically come from mere 
information* We all carry in our minds 
a great accumulation of items of in- 
formation, such as that a continent lies 
under the ice of Antarctica or that the 
natives of the Andaman Islands arc 
pygmies, which have no effect on our 
thinking l)ecause such facts seem ir- 
relevant to our own lives. By this time, 
every literate American has in his own 

MARCH, 1964 



mind a good deal of information about 
Communists, although often as de- 
tached and unrelated items that seeni 
remote from his quotidian concerns. 
Even copious and systematic informa- 
tion may remain, so to speak, inert in 
the mind until illumined by a percep- 
tion that carries conviction. 

The Moment Of Truth 

The perception usually comes from 
some personal experience or observa- 
tion. It may be some minor shock, such 
as the falling apple is said to have given 
Newton; but at that shock a thousand 
bits of scattered knowledge latent in the 
mind arrange themselves into a coherent 
whole and exhibit a basic truth. 

When I was a youngster, I knew a 
man of substance who told me that he 
had almost been enlisted in a Com- 
munist-front operation to release from 
prison a creature named Mooney, who 
had murdered nine persons in Cali- 
fornia to show how much he loved 
Humanity. Although moved by the 
plausible and pathetic story told him 
by the Editor of a "literary" periodical, 
the gentleman was canny enough to 
check a few facts and then visit the 
headquarters of the organization solici- 
ting his support. His unannounced visit 
gave him his moment of perception. He 
returned with the conviction that he 
had seen specimens of a criminal gang 
that was burrowing its way beneath the 
foundations of society, bent on under- 
mining the whole nation. I thought his 
alarm preposterous, and, I am afraid, 
smiled at it. 

In college, I could not overlook the 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1— Continued 



704 



young Communists. It required no 
great acumen to see that their idealistic 
squeakings about "social justice" and 
the "downtrodden" Were mere pretense 
to cover the malice and phrenetic 
rancors seething within them. But I did 
not really understand them until I met, 
during the great Crusade to Save the 
Soviet, a young lawyer who had been 
provided with a direct commission and 
a "vital" job in Washington to preserve 
him from the kind of military service 
that may be bad for the skin. He ex- 
plained to me the wickedness of mak- 
ing a profit, and he told me how 
"social justice" would come to business- 
men. "We'll shoot them in the belly," 
he said rapturously; "they die longer 
that way." And the greasy-faced creature 
licked its dry lips. 

A professional man tells me that his 
moment carne at the time that Ir- 
reproachable Ike, violating the Consti- 
tution he had sworn to uphold, used 
the Army to help the Warren Crew get 
the race war under way. He was talking 
to a clergyman of the "social gospel" 
variety whose emotional perturbation 
he did not understand until some in- 
discreet exclamations let him see that 
the holy man was inwardly trembling 
with eagerness for news that Amer- 
icans had been bayonetted or machine- 
gunned on the streets of Little Rock. 

The moment came to another man 
when he was one of a party of four in 
the bar of a private club. One of the 
four, an evidently urbane and cultivated 
gentleman — who had come to the 
United States as a refugee and had been 
given a salary and security that he 
could never have attained in the land 
whence he came — took a Scotch or two 
too many and began to make it pain- 
fully clear that he regarded Americans 
as detestable swine who need to be 
taught, with the toe of a boot, their 
place in One World. 

A university professor tells me that 
his moment came two years ago when a 



senior colleague, who had for many 
years pontificated about the "market- 
place of ideas," and, serene as a seated 
Buddha, had beamed benignly when 
Gus Hall and Gordon Hall spoke on 
the campus, "because we need to hear 
all sides," began to yell like a Comanche 
at a scalp-dance. What had shattered 
academic serenity was the discovery that 
there was a horrible "hate-sheet" read 
by "Fascist war-mongers" who must be 
"stamped out" or, at least, have their 
teeth kicked in. As for contributors to 
the hate-sheet, said the Sakya Muni of 
Academic Freedom, whom I quote 
verbatim, "they must be exterminated. 
Shooting is too good for them." The 
hate-sheet in question was that mild 
and self-consciously "moderate" fort- 
nightly, National Review, and my in- 
formant believes that the Double Dome 
would have run amok with a kris, had 
he even suspected the existence of 
American Opinion. As it was, however, 
the yells sufficed to make my informant 
suddenly realize what makes "Liberals" 
tick — and he compared them to certain 
well wrapped and disguised packages 
that are occasionally discovered by a 
postal inspector or the baggage master 
of an airline because they also tick. 

A New Yorker says that his moment 
came early in December when he read 
a column by Walter Lippmann, whom 
he had long supposed to be suffering 
from nothing more serious than a 
cerebrum bloated with ideals. In that 
column the punctate pundit, wrapping 
his feet about his neck in one of his 
customary verbal twists, claimed that 
"in a free {sic\ country" criticism of 
"Civil Rights and Russia" is "inherent- 
ly subversive." Not content with having 
thus exposed himself, Big-Brained Walt 
went on tactlessly to yowl that because 
Oswald scored a bull's-eye, "the only 
solace for the nation's [//c] shame and 
grief can come from a Purge" — a purge, 
of course, of the awful Americans who 
think they still have a country. Thus, 



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AMERICAN OPINION 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



705 



said my correspondent, was long covert 
hatred of Americans and dissembled 
blood-lust made manifest for all to see. 
It is possible, to be sure, that the quoted 
phrase was just lipography, and that 
Lippmann meant something else, such 
as forced feeding of castor oil to Amer- 
icans; but the phrase served to give at 
least one of his readers an impulse to 
put together and comprehend many data 
that his mind was holding in suspen- 
sion. 

Ex uno disce omnes 

Oswald was a young Communist 
punk, but, aside from his fortuitous 
notoriety, there was nothing unusual 
about him. You have seen thousands 
like him, and you are paying taxes to 
breed or nourish swarms of them. 

You saw a representative selection of 
them in that excellent film. Operation 
Abolition, which is now more timely 
than ever. You saw the veteran crimi- 
nals, who should have been deported 
or imprisoned long ago, riot and yell at 
the House Committee, an official delega- 
tion of the highest governmental au- 
thority in our nation. You will not 
have failed to recognize in them rabid 
beasts grown insolent with long im- 
punity. You saw also the rioting swarms 
of young creatures that had crawled out 
from the woodwork of the University 
of California and other tax-supported 
institutions of "higher learning." You 
had an opportunity to study their hate- 
contorted faces. 

You can see fledgling Oswalds in the 
flesh whenever, as occasionally happens, 
a loyal American is permitted to speak 
on or near a college campus. The young 
"progressives" will be there to jeer and 
quibble. It will be instructive to observe 
how many are deformed in body or 
feature as well as mind, and, if you 
approach near enough, you can see the 
hatred glistening in beady eyes. (For a 
close approach, a handkerchief sprinkled 
with ammonia will minimize the dis- 

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comfort.) And you should reflect that 
you are financing, directly through taxes 
or contributions of indirectly through 
the institution's tax-exemption, the 
hatching and "education" of young 
murderers. 

You can see the species wherever you 
look. And with just a little patience and 
dexterity, you can make all but the 
most hardened and experienced disclose 
their inner emotions — perhaps in a 
spate of verbiage, but at least for a 
moment in an unguarded word or glare 
in the eyes; and you will feel like a 
swimmer who has glimpsed, six fathoms 
down, the flat, greenish flicker of a 
turning shark. 

You can see them on television, on 
the floor of Congress, and in their 
pulpits; you can read them in the Press. 
And you need have no doubts. Whether 
they are trying crudely or subtly to use 
the Communists' assassination of Ken- 
nedy to incite hatred against "right- 
wing extremists," you can no longer 
fancy that they are just ignorant "intel- 
lectuals" with mixed-up ganglia. They 
are lying. They are lying with conscious 
calculation. They are lying with mur- 
derous intent. 

You cannot mistake them when, in 
your very presence and with breath- 
taking effrontery, they discharge the 
diseased hatreds and homicidal lusts 
that fester in their gangrenous little 
minds. 

From direct observation, you, as an 
American, can now recognize your en- 
emy and know what he is. And if ever 
you are tempted to doubt the evidence 
of your own eyes and ears, remember 
that such monsters are no novelty — 
that in the brief span of man's sad and 
dolorous history one can find almost 
innumerable recorded instances of recru- 
descent savagery and of the frenzied 
and exacerbated rage of anthropoid 
beasts that cannot bear to be dragged 
toward civilization and humanity. The 
best illustration in a book that I have 

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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



706 



seen is Louis Zoul's Thugs and Com- 
munists (Public Opinion, Long Island 
City 4; cf. American Opinion, January, 
1962, pp. 29-36). 

The vital thing is that you, as an 
American, realize that you are being 
hunted by a feral and stealthy pack. 
And that this is no nightmare, from 
which you will automatically awaken 
in a moment, nor yet is it a vision ex- 
cited by the writers who strove to be 
more outre than Poe. That is a reality 
which you must face, if you are to sur- 
vive at all. 

The Time Is Now 

With the nature of our enemies thus 
made manifest, and with such unmis- 
takable indications of their numbers and 
power, an American who does not 
wilfully close his eyes and drug his 
mind can scarcely escape a perception 
of tne magnitude and immediacy of 
our peril. This is the year of decision. 
We cannot hope for a complete victory 
this year, but we must end thirty years 
of unvaried retreat and, for a change, 
advance a little to recover some of the 
ground we have lost and to turn the 
tide of battle. A mer^ stalemate is 
scarcely possible, and another defeat will 
be our last. With another defeat, you 
and I may not be alive in 1965 — or, if 
we are, we may regret it. 

Now that Providence has given us a 
last chance, we must use it wisely and 
well. We must act with courage and 
determination, and, above all, with a 
rational and realistic understanding of 
our situation. We are fighting against 
enormous, though not insuperable odds, 
and we shall need the utmost effort of 
every American who will work with us. 
Our greatest handicap is that we, un- 
like our enemies, do not have a unified 
and secret command which plans the 
total strategy without need to disclose 
or explain it to anyone, and which 
carries out that strategy by issuing 
orders that are obeyed without question. 

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Against a conspiracy that makes its de- 
cisions in secret and coordinates with 
the efficiency of a single organism the 
movements of its numerous and often 
hidden tentacles, we can oppose only 
the voluntary efforts of individuals who 
are loosely organized into a large num- 
ber of voluntary organizations, which 
must, in turn, voluntarily cooperate 
with one another. In these circum- 
stances a secret strategy is impossible, 
and we must rely on the rationality and 
self-control of responsible individuals to 
supply that minimum of unity and 
coordination without which we could 
do nothing against a conspiracy that 
has almost absolute control over its 
agents through its appeal to their 
criminal instincts, their complicity in 
past crimes, and, if need be, fear. 

Our enemies plan in secret, but they 
have a standard technique for dealing 
with Americans that has long been 
obvious to every observer. While the 
vast majority of Americans are kept, 
so far as possible, in a state of ignorant 
complacency and confusion by the lie- 
machine, conservative and patriotic or- 
ganizations are destroyed by inciting 
them to fight one another and by 
paralyzing each one with internal dis- 
sension. That technique has been used 
for more than forty years, and, without 
exception until the past few years, ac- 
complished its purpose speedily and 
infallibly. Its success depended partly 
upon our enemies' vast financial re 
sources and long experience in covert 
and subtle manipulation of individuals, 
but even more on the fact that loyal 
Americans are divided in their personal 
interests aind beliefs. 

That we Americans are so divided is 
our basic weakness in the present 
struggle, but it is not one of which we 
need be ashamed. It is the weakness of 
all societies of free men, and hence it is, 
in large part, precisely what we arc 
trying to preserve. But our conflicts of 
interest and belief must be candidly ad- 

AMEKICAN OPINION 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



707 



mitted and accurately defined, if we are 
not to succumb to the manipulations of 
our enemies. 

The Unity Of Dissension 

As Americans, our one bond of 
effective unity is the American tradi- 
tion, which is, in its essentials, a severely 
practical one. It is our first and most 
urgent duty to take a lesson from our 
forefathers, tlie citizens of the tliirteen 
colonies, who, confronted by over- 
whelming odds, achieved independence 
because they had the intelligence and 
self-control never to lose sight of their 
real objective; although the colonies 
were deeply divided by opposed eco- 
nomic interests, vehement religious dis- 
sensions, and cultural difference that 
were, within the ambit of Western 
civilization, comparatively great. The 
governing bodies of each colony well 
knew that they could make an ex- 
tremely advantageous settlement by de- 
serting the other twelve. And the larger 
colonies must have been often tempted 
to seek opportunities, during the long 
struggle, of extending their influence 
and power at the expense of ethers in 
the hope of dominating whatever con- 
federation might come out of inde- 
pendence. 

A desperate undertaking, which most 
political analysts would have pro- 
nounced impossible a priori for peoples 
so sundered by divergent interests and 
creeds, succeeded because — and only 
because — our forefathers were able to 
transcend those differences and main- 
tain an effective unity for the specific 
and strictly limited purpose of attaining 
political freedom. 

Our task as Americans today is to 
attain and maintain an effective unity 
for the specific and strictly limited pur- 
pose of (a) preserving our national in- 
dependence by recovering our federal 
government from the international 
vermin who have stealthily captured it, 
and (b) restoring as rapidly as may be 

MARCH, 19€4 



— and that will be over a period of more 
than a decade — our Constitutional gov- 
ernment that those vermin have all but 
totally subverted. As a practical impera- 
tive, all other purposes, however pas- 
sionately important they may be to us 
personally, must be recognized as sec- 
ondary and even irrelevant, so far as 
the cause in which we must unite is 
concerned. 

Our problem, I grant, is far more 
complex and delicate than that which 
confronted our forefathers. Their of>- 
ponents were men who frankly and 
honorably declared themselves and dis- 
dained disguise. Our enemies are secret 
criminals whose principal weapon has 
always been deceit, dissimulation, and 
stealthy subversion. But our problem, 
surely, is not beyond the power of 
reason. And we should derive a stimu- 
lus to use it from the consideration that 
we have much more at stake than did 
our forefathers. 

Who Is The Enemy? 

Every one of us who tries to calculate 
our chances of victory must be contin- 
ually astonished, and not infrequently 
dismayed, by the fantastic fact that what 
should be our greatest strength is also 
our greatest weakness. We have so in- 
dulged our human propensities to senti- 
mentality and emotionalism, and we 
have been so subtly conditioned to fear 
shibboleths and bugaboos, that we 
squander in acrimonious debate over 
conjectures the energies which, if ra- 
tionally directed, could save us from 
annihilation. 

Our enemy is the International Com- 
munist Conspiracy. Of that, there can 
be no possible doubt. Every time the 
fetid nest of vermin in Washington 
spends our money and (usually) the 
lives of American soldiers to enslave 
and barbarize another country, that 
country is invariably handed over to 
Communists — never to Fabian Social- 
ists, lUuminati, or similar groups. East 

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Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



708 



Germany, Poland, Czecho-Slovakia, 
China, Cuba, and the many others are 
all obviously and notoriously Com- 
niunist provinces. And it is perfectly 
obvious that what the nest is preparing 
for the United States, through "civil 
rights," disarmament, and the like, is a 
Cotnmtinist regime. 

Although the Conspiracy is secret, we 
have learned a great deal about it by 
(a) studying its operations, and (b) 
utilizing the testimony of defectors 
from the Conspiracy and of our own 
counter-espionage agents who were able 
to penetrate some distance into the or- 
ganization. The information thus ob- 
tained is necessarily incomplete, and, 
for obvious reasons, it becomes the 
more scanty, the nearer we approach 
the Conspiracy's inner core; and fails 
us completely before we reach that core. 

The information that we have is 
sufficient to give us a good working 
knowledge of the general structure of 
the Conspiracy, although, of course, 
there are a great many details and pos- 
sibly some very important elements 
about which we urgently need to know 
more. 

Only the most naive persons today 
are puzzled by the operations of what 
is the lowest level in the Conspiracy 
(although it includes persons of great 
social or political prominence). The 
Conspiracy, engaged in total subversion, 
naturally finds and exploits all the 
weaknesses that are inherent in our 
society as in all human societies. It 
finds, and uses as its unconscious instru- 
ments, fat-heads and dunces who can 
be stirred to glutinous sentimentality 
or a rancorous resentment of their 
betters. But it uses above all the crimi- 
nal tendencies that always have been 
present in all large populations and al- 
ways will be present to the utmost 
verge of the foreseeable future. Every 
large aggregation of human beings pro- 
duces, by biological necessity, its sneak- 
thieves, robbers, shysters, "intellectuals," 

70 



perverts, sadists, and other degenerates. 
As is known to everyone who has 
thought about it at all, the continued 
existence of a civilization, like that of 
a large city, depends on the efficiency 
of the sewage system that disposes of 
its organic waste: On this level, all that 
the Conspiracy has to do is stop up the 
sewers (which civilized societies seem 
naturally disposed to neglect anyway, 
since no one likes to think about such 
unpleasant necessities). By this time, we 
have all learned not to waste time 
arguing whether a given person, who 
is knowingly servmg the Conspiracy's 
ends, is a member, an accomplice, a 
hireling, or just a petty criminal who 
has been given opportunity and en- 
couragement. 

The structure of the main Communist 
apparatus in this country is reasonably 
clear. There is a large number of them 
and, so far as is known, they operate 
independently of one another. The 
official Communist Party, the more con- 
cealed "Trotskyite" apparatus, the mili- 
tary and naval espionage rings directed 
from the various Sovtet embassies, the 
industrial and technological espionage 
directed from the various consulates, 
and the Secret Police arc all controlled 
directly from Moscow, and are believed 
to have no contact with one another in 
this country, except that the Secret 
Police watch all the others and probably 
supervise the transfer of talented crimi- 
nals, recruited by the Party, to the luuic 
secret units. The vast crypto-Com- 
munist apparatus no longer has large 
cells, such as the one of which the in- 
famous Hiss was a member; and is now 
so organized that no cell has more 
than three members and most of the 
criminals know the identity only of the 
superior from whom they receive orders. 
Most observers believe that this opera- 
tion is handled by the Secret Police. 
There are other apparatus and trans- 
mission belts, some possibly of strategic 
importance, which may operate in this 

AAf£RICAN OPINION 



Oliver Exhibit No. 1 — Continued 



709 



country independently of the ones I 
have mentioned. But given the crimi- 
nals' success in preventing or halting 
all official inquiry into their more clan- 
destine activities in the United States, 
we can only speculate about the chain 
of command in operations that we can- 
not even prot/e to be Communist. Most 
observers would agree in identifying 
some of these by cogent inference from 
copious circumstantial evidence; about 
others, so little is known that com- 
petent observers differ widely in the 
surmises that they base on admittedly 
fragmentary indications; and it is quite 
possible that there are some whose true 
nature has not even been suspected. 

So far as we know, however, the 
various Bolshevik apparatus are con- 
trolled from Moscow. Whenever we 
can trace their organization at all, we 
can follow the wires until they disap- 
pear in the massive walls of the Krem- 
lin. (Ill recent years, some circuits have 
been rewired so that the lines from 
this country go to Peking; cf. American 
Opinion, January, 1964, p. 71. That 
merely shows that a new exchange has 
been installed for operational con- 
venience.) All observers, I believe, 
would agree that, so far as is known, 
the criminals in our country get their 
orders, directly or indirectly, from Mos- 



cow. 



Now there are very good reasons for 
believing that die foul brute that is 
titular Bess in the Kremlin is merely 
a subordinate, an executive of limited 
powers. So long as the unspeakable 
thing called Stalin was alive, most (but 
not all) observers thought that he was 
the real head of the Conspiracy. Events 
subsequent to the death (or, perhaps, 
liquidation) of that monster have made 
it increasingly apparent to judicious 
observers that the organization of the 
Conspiracy is more complex than was 
once generally supposed — that the 
bloody beast named Khrushchev is like 
a "star" in a show on Broadway in that 

MARCH, 1964 



his personal appetites and eccen