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JOURNALS 

I OF THE ) 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF 

CANADA ^(xX^eA 

From Thursday, September 27, 1962, to Tuesday, February 5, 1963, both days 

inclusive, in the Eleventh Year of the Reign of Our 

Sovereign Lady, Queen Elizabeth the Second 

FIRST SESSION OF THE TWENTY-FIFTH PARLIAMENT OF CANADA 



The Honourable Marcel Lambert. Speaker 



SESSION 1962-63 

PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT 

ROGER DUHAMEL, F.R.S.C. 

QUEEN'S PRINTER AND CONTROLLER OF STATIONERY 

OTTAWA. 1963 

Volume CIX One Hundred and Ninth Volume 

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CONTENTS 

Page 

Proclamations iii 

Journals of the House of Commons 1 

Proclamation re Dissolution 477 

List of Appendices to the Journals 478 

The Ministry and their Parliamentary Secretaries 481 

Officers of the Commons 482 

Alphabetical List of Members with their Constituencies 483 

Alphabetical List of Constituencies and Members thereof 487 

Index to Journals 493 



11 



PROCLAMATIONS 




GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To Our Beloved and Faithful the Senators of Canada, and the Members elected 
to serve in the House of Commons of Canada, and to all whom it may 
concern, — 

Greeting: 

A PROCLAMATION 

WHEREAS We have thought fit, by and with the advice and consent of 
Our Prime Minister of Canada, to DISSOLVE the present Parliament 
of Canada. 

Now Know Ye, that We do for that end publish this Our Royal Proclama- 
tion, and do hereby DISSOLVE the said Parliament of Canada accordingly; 
and the Senators and the Members of the House of Commons are discharged 
from their meeting and attendance. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent, 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Trusty and Well-beloved Major-General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At The Citadel, in Our City of Quebec, this nineteenth day of April in the 
year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-two and in 
the eleventh year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



HI 



GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 



To All To Whom these Presents shall come,- 



Greeting: 



A PROCLAMATION 



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HEREAS We are desirous and resolved, as soon as may be, to meet 
Our People of Canada, and to have their advice in Parliament: 



We Do Make Known Our Royal Will and pleasure to call a Parliament, 
and do further declare that by the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada, 
We have this day given Orders for issuing Our WRITS in due form for calling 
a PARLIAMENT in Canada, which Writs are to bear date of the nineteenth 
day of April, 1962, and to be returnable on the eighteenth day of July, 1962. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent, 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Trusty and Well-beloved Major-General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At The Citadel, in Our City of Quebec, this nineteenth day of April in the 
year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-two and in 
the eleventh year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



m 



GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To All To Whom these Presents shall come, — 

Greeting: 

A PROCLAMATION 

KNOW YE, that We being desirous and resolved, as soon as may be, to meet 
Our People of Canada, and to have their advice in Parliament, do hereby, 
by and with the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada, summon and call 
together the House of Commons in and for Canada, to meet at Our CITY OF 
OTTAWA, on Wednesday, the twenty-fifth day of July next, then and there to 
have conference and treaty with the Great Men and Senate of Canada. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent, 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Trusty and Well-beloved Major-General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At The Citadel, in Our City of Quebec, this nineteenth day of April in the 
year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-two and in 
the eleventh year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To Our Beloved and Faithful the Senators of Canada, and the Members elected 
to serve in the House of Commons of Canada and to each and every 
of you, — 

Greeting: 

A PROCLAMATION 

WHEREAS Our Parliament of Canada stands prorogued to the twenty-fifth 
day of the month of July, 1962, at which time, at Our City of Ottawa, 
you were held and constrained to appear. 

Now Know Ye, that for divers causes and considerations, and taking into 
consideration the ease and convenience of Our Loving Subjects, We have 
thought fit by and with the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada, to relieve 
you, and each of you, of your attendance at the time aforesaid, hereby convok- 
ing and by these presents enjoining you and each of you, that on Monday, the 
third day of the month of September, 1962, you meet Us, in Our Parliament 
of Canada, at Our City of Ottawa, there to take into consideration the state 
and welfare of Canada and therein to do as may seem necessary. Herein Fail 
Not. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent, 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Trusty and Well-beloved Major-General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this sixteenth day of July 
in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-two and 
in the eleventh year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



VI 



p. KERWIN, 

Deputy Governor General. 

[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To Our Beloved and Faithful the Senators of Canada, and the Members elected 
to serve in the House of Commons of Canada and to each and every 
of you, — 

Greeting: 

A PROCLAMATION 

WHEREAS the Meeting of Our Parliament of Canada stands prorogued to 
the third day of the month of September, 1962. Nevertheless, for certain 
causes and considerations, We have thought fit further to Prorogue the same to 
Thursday the twenty-seventh day of the month of September, 1962, so that 
neither you nor any of you on the said third day of September, 1962, at our 
City of Ottawa, to appear are to be held and constrained, for We do Will that 
you and each of you be as to Us in this matter entirely exonerated; Com- 
manding, and by the tenor of these Presents, enjoining you and each of you, 
and all others in this behalf interested, that on Thursday, the twenty- seventh 
day of the month of September, 1962, at eleven o'clock in the forenoon, at Our 
City of Ottawa aforesaid, personally you be and appear for the DESPATCH 
OF BUSINESS, to treat, do, act and conclude upon those things which in Our 
said Parliament of Canada, by the Common Council of Canada, may by the 
favour of God be ordained. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent, 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunder affixed. Witness: The 
Honourable Patrick Kerwin, Chief Justice of Canada and Deputy of 
Our Trusty and Well-beloved Major-General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Ottawa, this tenth day of August in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine 
hundred and sixty-two and in the eleventh year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



GOD SAVE THE QUEEN 



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A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 



No. 1 



JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Today being the first day of the meeting of the First Session of the 
Twenty-fifth Parliament for the despatch of business, Leon-J. Raymond, 
Esquire, O.B.E., Clerk of the House of Commons, Thomas Russell Montgomery, 
Esquire, Clerk Assistant of the House of Commons, and Lieutenant- Colonel 
David V. Currie, V.C., Sergeant-at-Arms of the House of Commons, Commis- 
sioners appointed per Dedimus Potestatem for the purpose of administering 
the oath to Members of the House of Commons, all attending according to 
their duty, the said Leon-J. Raymond, Esquire, O.B.E., laid upon the Table a 
List of the Members returned to serve in this Parliament received by him as 
Clerk of the House of Commons from and certified under the hand of N. 
Castonguay, Esquire, Chief Electoral Officer. The said certificate and list is as 
follows: 

TWENTY-FIFTH GENERAL ELECTION 
Office of the Chief Electoral Officer 



This is to certify that since the dissolution of the Twenty-fourth Parliament 
on the nineteenth day of April, 1962, writs of election were issued on the same 
date by His Excellency the Governor in Council for the election of a member 
or members to serve in the House of Commons for every electoral district in 
Canada, such writs being severally addressed to the returning officers men- 
tioned in the attached list and directing that, with the undermentioned ex- 
ceptions, the nomination of candidates be held on the fourth day of June, 1962, 
and the poll, if required, on the eighteenth day of June, 1962. In the electoral 
districts of Cochrane, Kenora-Rainy River, Port Arthur, Chapleau, Saguenay, 
Bonavista-Twillingate, Burin-Burgeo, Grand Falls-White Bay-Labrador, 
Humber-St. George's, Trinity- Conception, Churchill, Mackenzie, Meadow Lake, 

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Prince Albert, Athabasca, Jasper-Edson, Peace River, Cariboo, Skeena, Yukon, 
and Northwest Territories, the nomination of candidates was held on the 
twenty-second day of May, 1962. 

And that an election was accordingly held in every electoral district in 
Canada on the eighteenth day of June, 1962, with the exception of the electoral 
district of Stormont, in the province of Ontario, where one of the candidates 
died prior to June eighteenth and where it became necessary under the 
Statute to postpone the election to a later date. The election in the electoral 
district of Stormont was, therefore, postponed by the returning officer, pursuant 
to the Statute in that behalf, until the sixteenth day of July, 1962, and a new 
nomination day fixed for the third day of July of the same year. 

And that the persons named in the attached list have from time to time 
been returned as elected members to serve in the House of Commons pursuant 
to the said writs, their names having been duly entered in the order in which 
the returns were received in the book kept for that purpose pursuant to the 
provisions of the Statute on the subject, and notice of such returns having from 
time to time been duly published in the Canada Gazette. 

Given under my hand at Ottawa this tenth day of August, 1962. 

N. CASTONGUAY, 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



LIST OF MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS 

TWENTY-FIFTH PARLIAMENT 

PROVINCE OF ONTARIO 

Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Algoma East Lester B. Pearson James H. Burt 

Algoma West George E. Nixon Curtis Scott 

Brantf ord James E. Brown George Main 

Brant-Haldimand Larry T. Pennell Doris L. Ashby 

Bruce Andy Robinson P. S. R. Malcomson 

Carleton Richard Albert Bell Thomas Davison 

Cochrane Joseph-Anaclet Habel Frank J. Donahue 

Dufferin-Simcoe W. Earl Rowe J. Ellwood Madill 

Durham Russell C. Honey Carroll Nichols 

Elgin James A. McBain Harry Clement Hunter 

Essex East Paul Martin Barry E. Atkinson 

Essex South Eugene F. Whelan John Murray Shaw 

Essex West Herb Gray Walter H. Prince 

Fort William Hubert Badanai James Hugh Jessiman 

Glengarry-Prescott Viateur Ethier Roch Greffe 

Grenville-Dundas Jean Casselman Joseph R. Patterson 

Grey-Bruce Eric Alfred Winkler Robert A. Park 

Grey North Percy Verner Noble Clarence O. Hanbidge 

Halton Harry C. Harley John Richard West 

Hamilton East John Carr Munro Alfred Hobson 

Hamilton South Robert M. T. McDonald Fred Whitehouse 

Hamilton West Ellen L. Fairclough Harry Leyshon 

Hastings-Frontenac Rod Webb Theodore Tryon 

Hastings South Lee Grills William A. Van Tassel 

Huron Elston Cardiff Russell T. Bolton 

Kenora-Rainy River William Moore Benidickson .... W. J. Gray 

Kent Sidney LeRoi Clunis Frederick B. Brisco 

Kingston Edgar John Benson Stuart M. Jenkins 

Lambton-Kent John W. Burgess Lome Henderson 

Lambton West Walter Frank Foy Fred J. Northcott 

Lanark George H. Doucett Edwin M. James 

Leeds John R. Matheson William John Jelly 

Lincoln James C. McNulty Edith R. Rymer 

London G. Ernest Halpenny C. F. MacKewn 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 

Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Middlesex East Campbell E. Millar Richard Hedley Fisher 

Middlesex West W. H. A. Thomas Freeman Hodgins 

Niagara Falls Judy V. LaMarsh Charles McClive Jacklin 

Nickel Belt O.-J. Godin William N. Gemmell 

Nipissing Jack Garland J. I. Martyn 

Norfolk John Maxwell Roxburgh William A. Wingfield 

Northumberland Harry Bradley Alan Buchanan 

Ontario Michael Starr Henry Warburton Jermyn 

Ottawa East J.-T. Richard Marcel Lavigne 

Ottawa West George J. Mcllraith Fred B. Salhany 

Oxford Wally Nesbitt W. David Richards 

Parry Sound-Muskoka Gordon Harvey Aiken Edward V. Elliott 

Peel Bruce Beer John Louis Hare 

Perth J. Waldo Monteith Robert J. Crocker, Sr. 

Peterborough Fred Stenson Amy Brooks Curtis 

Port Arthur Douglas M. Fisher Joseph L. McCormack 

Prince Edward-Lennox A. Douglas Alkenbrack James A. Clark 

Renfrew North James M. Forgie Donald A. Simpson 

Renfrew South James William Baskin N. Alan Campbell 

Russell Paul Tardif Wendell M. Stanley 

Simcoe East P. B. Rynard Frank Doherty 

Simcoe North Heber Smith Edward Robert Crowe 

Stormont Lucien Lamoureux Alphonse-H. Charron 

Sudbury Rodger Mitchell W. E. W. Cressey 

Timiskaming Arnold Peters James R. McDougall 

Timmins Murdo Martin Wyman E. Brewer 

Victoria Clayton W. Hodgson Cecil H. Pardy 

Waterloo North O. W. Mike Weichel Frank L. Barrett 

Waterloo South Gordon Chaplin William C. Woods 

Welland William H. McMillan Campbell L. Grundy 

Wellington-Huron Marvin Howe Brock B. Davis 

Wellington South Alfred Dryden Hales Hugh Bertram Gibson 

Wentworth Joseph Reed Sams Harold A. Thompson 

York Centre James E. Walker Dean L. Richardson 

York East Steve Otto Hilda Clarke 

York-Humber Ralph B. Cowan R. J. Elgar 

York North John Addison Warren Robert Bailie 

York-Scarborough Frank McGee Rosemary L. Clark 

York South David Lewis Charles H. Reid 

York West Red Kelly John J. McCloskey 

CITY OF TORONTO 

Broadview George Hees James R. N. Sintzel 

Danforth Reid Scott Charles H. Daw 

Davenport Walter L. Gordon Bruce Leighton 

Eglinton Donald M. Fleming Alfred George Hovey 

Greenwood Andrew Brewin C. H. Lemmer 

High Park Alan John Patrick Cameron .... Emma D. Elrick 

Parkdale Stanley Haidasz William A. Goddard 

Rosedale Donald S. Macdonald James A. Traviss 

St. Paul's Ian Grant Wahn William Eraser Lamson 

Spadina Perry Ryan Murray Caplan 

Trinity Paul Hellyer Henry L. McKinstry 

PROVINCE OF QUEBEC 

Argenteuil-Deux-Montagnes Vincent Drouin Jean-Paul Dorion 

Beauce Gerard Perron Roger Bolduc 

Beauharnois-Salaberry Gerald Laniel Joseph Primeau 

Bellechasse Bernard Dumont Gerard Labrecque 

Berthier-Maskinonge- 

Delanaudiere Remi Paul Henri-R. Beland 

Bonaventure Albert Bechard Alexandre Duguay 

Brome-Missisquoi Heward Grafftey J.-Rodolphe Arsenault 

Chambly-Rouville Bernard Pilon Andre Antonuk 

Champlain Jean-Paul Matte Leovide Francoeur 

Chapleau Gerard Laprise Hilaire LeBlanc 

Charlevoix L.-P.-Antoine Belanger Sam Warren 

Chateauguay-Huntingdon- 

Laprairie Jean Boucher Roland Page 

Chicoutimi Maurice Cote Leon-Georges Gauthier 

Compton-Frontenac Henry Latulippe Paul Beaudoin 

Dorchester Pierre-Andre Boutin John H. O'Farrell 

Drummond-Arthabaska David Ouellet J. -Andre Vanasse 

Gaspe Roland-Leo English Frederick R. Sams 

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4 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH U 

Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Gatineau Rodolphe Leduc Rejean Patry 

Hull Alexis Caron Jean-Louis Garneau 

iles-de-la-Madeleine Maurice Sauve Arnold-L. Deraspe 

Joliette-L'Assomption- 

Montcalm Louis-Joseph Pigeon Maurice Majeau 

Kamouraska Chs-Eug. Dionne Benoit Dube 

Labelle Gaston Clermont Andre Dutresne 

Lac-Saint-Jean Marcel Lessard Fernand Cote 

Lapointe Gilles Gregoire J.-Ovide Bradet 

Levis J.-A. Roy Julien Dumont 

Longueuil Pierre Sevigny Roma Gravel 

Lotbiniere Raymond O'Hurley Wilirid Desruisseaux 

Matapedia-Matane J.-Alfred Belzile Andre-A. Levesque 

Megantic Raymond Langlois Edmond Beaudoin 

Montmagny-L'Islet Jean-Paul Cook Gonzague Belanger 

Nicolet-Yamaska Clement Vincent Pierre Smith 

Pontiac-Temiscamingue Paul Martineau J. Denzil Moodie 

Portneuf Jean-Louis Frenette Frangois Denis 

Quebec-Est Robert Beaule J.-Armand Dufresne 

Quebec-Sud Jean-Charles Cantin Rolland Legendre 

Quebec-Ouest Lucien Plourde Roland Savard 

Quebec-Montmorency Guy Marcoux Rene-B. Robert 

Richelieu-Verch^res Louis-Joseph-Lucien Cardin . . Roger Gagne 

Richmond-Wolfe Andre Bernier Jean-Guy Lemieux 

Rimouski Gerard Legare Derome Asselin 

Roberval Charles-Arthur Gauthier Edouard Duchesne 

Riviere-du-Loup- 

Temiscouata Philippe Gagnon Jacques Miville 

Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot J.-H.-Theogene Ricard A. -J. Archambault 

Saint- Jean-Iberville- 

Napierville Yvon Dupuis Georges-H. Rainville 

Saint-Maurice-Lafleche Gerard Lamy Paul-Emile Dessureault 

Saguenay Laureat Maltais Roger Savard 

Shefford Gilbert Rondeau Paul Langlois 

Sherbrooke Gerard Chapdelaine J. -Nestor Boucher 

Stanstead Rene Letourneau Louis Gerin 

Terrebonne Leo Cadieux Paul-Emile Brunei 

Trois-Rivieres Leon Balcer Pierre Grenier 

Vaudreuil-Soulanges J. -Marcel Bourbonnais Jean-Louis Jeannotte 

Villeneuve Real Caouette Clement-E. Fontaine 

ISLAND OF MONTREAL AND ILE JESUS 

Cartier Leon David Crestohl Jeanne Bouchard 

Dollard Guy Rouleau Renaud Masson 

Hochelaga Raymond Eudes Maurice Lamoureux 

Jacques-Cartier-Lasalle Raymond Rock Gerard Tardif 

Laf ontaine Georges-C. Lachance Fernand Auger 

Laurier Lionel Chevrier Ruben Levesque 

Laval Jean Rochon Jean-Noel Lanctot 

Maisonneuve-Rosemont Jean-Paul Deschatelets Marcel Allaire 

Mercier Prosper Boulanger Levis Gagnon 

Mount Royal Alan Macnaughton Wilfred G. Brown 

Notre-Dame-de-Grace Edmund Tobin Asselin Brodie J. Snyder 

Outremont-Saint-Jean Romuald Bourque Jules Dupre 

Papineau Adrian Meunier Antonio Nadeau 

Sainte-Anne Gerard Loiselle Donald William Donovan 

Saint- Antoine-Westmount . . . Charles Mills Drury Graham Gould 

Saint-Denis Azellus Denis Armand Laurencelle 

Saint-Henri H.-Pit Lessard Germain Angrignon 

Saint-Jacques Maurice Rinf ret Yves Mayrand 

St. -Laurent-Saint- 
Georges John N. Turner Edmund D. McCaffrey 

Sainte-Marie Georges-J. Valade Albert Trudeau 

Verdun Bryce Stuart Mackasey Edmond Beaudin 

PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA 

Antigonish-Guysborough . . . John B. Stewart Donald P. Chisholm, Sr. 

Cape Breton North and 

Victoria Robert Muir J. Peter Gouthro 

Cape Breton South Malcolm Vic Maclnnis J. F. Chiasson 

Colchester-Hants Cyril F. Kennedy Andrew Reginald Denney 

Cumberland Robert C. Coates William H. Wasson 

Digby-Annapolis-Kings George C. Nowlan Wilfred David Wetmore 

Halifax Robert McCleave William Joseph Dalton 

Halifax Edmund Morris 

Inverness-Richmond Allan Joseph MacEachen Hector MacKinnon 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY^ 27th SEPTEMBER 

Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Pictou Russell MacEwan David R. Hayman 

Queens-Lunenburg Lloyd R. Grouse Kendall James Kenney 

Shelburne-Yarmouth-Clare . Felton Fenwick Legere C. Lawrence Murphy 

PROVINCE OF NEW BRUNSWICK 

Charlotte Allan M. A, McLean Frederick Garcelon 

Gloucester Hedard-J. Robichaud Ernest J. Aube 

Kent Guy Grossman Louis Felix LeBlanc 

Northumberland-Miramichi . George Roy McWilliam J. Leroy Betts 

Restigouche-Madawaska .... Jean-Eudes Dube Dillon Arseneau 

Royal Gordon Fairweather Harry M. Burgess 

Saint John-Albert Thomas M. Bell Kenneth E. Walls 

Victoria-Carleton Hugh John Flemming William K. Davis 

Westmorland Sherwood H. Rideout Douglas E. Rice 

York-Sunbury J. Chester MacRae Norman D. Pearson 

PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND 

Bonavista-Twillingate John W. Pickersgill Levi Sweetland 

Burin-Burgeo Chesley William Carter Philip R. Hollett 

Grand Falls-White Bay- 
Labrador Charles Ronald Granger Joseph Yetman 

Humber-St. George's Herman Maxwell Batten Ralph MacGillivray 

St. John's East James Aloysius McGrath Louise M. Saunders 

St. John's West Richard Cashin William J. Stoyles 

Trinity-Conception James R. Tucker Willis White 

PROVINCE OF PRINCE EDWARD xr?LAND 

Kings Margaret Mary Macdonald Daniel Michael MacLean 

Prince Orville H. Phillips J. Frank Bryan 

Queens J. Angus MacLean A. Walthen Gaudet 

Queens Heath Macquarrie 

PROVINCE OF MANITOBA 

Brandon-Souris Walter Gilbert Dinsdale Ellis David Alder 

Churchill Robert Simpson William George Thompson 

Dauphin R. Elmer Forbes Vernon H. Rampton 

Lisgar George Muir Cecil D. Treble 

Marquette Nick Mandziuk J. Morris Lavery 

Portage-Neepawa Siegfried J. Enns Charles W. Sing 

Provencher Warner H. Jorgenson Abram K. Braun 

St. Boniface Roger-J. Teillet Armand Dureault 

Selkirk Eric Stef anson Harold Johnson 

Springfield Joe Slogan W. Horodyski 

Winnipeg North David Orlikow John Hunter Restall 

Winnipeg North Centre Stanley H. Knowles Sam Minuk 

Winnipeg South Gordon Chown Walter Legget Ritchie 

Winnipeg South Centre . . . Gordon Churchill J. T. Bourke 

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA 

Burnaby-Coquitlam *Erhart Regier Laura Grier 

Burnaby-Richmond R. W. Bob Prittie Frank P. Tofin 

Cariboo Bert Raymond Leboe Kenneth G. Robinson 

Coast-Capilano Jack Davis Douglas Vernon Whitworth 

Comox-Alberni Thomas Speakman Barnett L. Wilfred Anderton 

Esquimalt-Saanich George Louis Chatterton John S. Davies 

Eraser Valley A. B. Patterson Thomas E. Heaton 

Kamloops Edmund Davie Fulton Helen Joy Millward 

Kootenay East Jim Byrne Aaron Walde 

Kootenay West Herbert W. Herridge F. J. Blester 

Nanaimo-Cowichan-The 

Islands Colin Cameron Frederick George Spencer 

New Westminster Barry Mather WilHam Lef ley 

Okanagan Boundary David Pugh Stuart R. Hawkins 

Okanagan-Revelstoke Stuart A. Fleming P. A. Woods 

Skeena Frank Howard Alek S. Bill 

Vancouver-Burrard Tom Berger William R. Long 

Vancouver Centre Jack R. Nicholson P. H. L. Seeley 

Vancouver East Harold Edward Winch Sidney Lewis Beyer 

Vancouver-Kingsway Arnold Alexander Webster Arthur Walker 

Vancouver-Quadra Howard Charles Green Horatio Beverley Smith 

Vancouver South Arthur Laing G. B. Anderson 

Victoria Albert DeBurgo McPhillips Edmond D. Jorre de St. Jorre 

* Resigned prior to Opening Day. 



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PROVINCE OF SASKATCHEWAN 

Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Assiniboia Hazen Argue Jack Vennard 

Humboldt-Melfort-Tisdale .. Reynold Rapp W. B. Woolard 

Kindersley Robert L. Hanbidge James Patrick Duncan 

Mackenzie Stanley James Korchinski L. A. Yaworski 

Meadow Lake Bert Cadieu Frank Buchan Milne 

Melville James N. Ormiston William Hall 

Moose Jaw-Lake Centre J. Ernest Pascoe Lyle Oswald Phillips 

Moose Mountain R. R, Southam Herbert C. Sawyer 

Prince Albert John George Dief enbaker Clifford E. Galloway 

Qu'Appelle Alvin Hamilton F. Clifford Armstrong 

Regina City Ken More Arthur Roy Lucas 

Rosetown-Biggar C. O. Cooper Arthur J. Flach 

Rosthern Edward Nasserden George A. Birtles 

Saskatoon Henry Frank Jones Charles T. Fitzpatrick 

Swift Current-Maple Creek . Jack Mcintosh Irving Hansen 

The Battlef ords Albert R. Horner A. Millar Craig 

Yorkton Gordon Drummond Clancy ... H. W. Vaughan 

PROVINCE OF ALBERTA 

Acadia Jack H. Horner Maxwell E. Taylor 

Athabasca Jack Bigg Frank P. Appleby 

Battle River-Camrose Clifford S. Small wood Charles T. Heckbert 

Bow River Eldon M. Woolliams John Davis 

Calgary North Douglas Scott Harkness Alfred T. Godwin 

Calgary South Art Smith Leishman McNeill 

Edmonton East William Skoreyko Stewart Allan Graham 

Edmonton-Strathcona Terry Nugent Robert Vernon Johnson 

Edmonton West Marcel Lambert Alex S. MacRae 

Jasper-Edson Hugh M. Horner Chris Nielsen 

Lethbridge Deane R. Gundlock Donald Edward Rossiter 

Macleod Lawrence E. Kindt John Arnoll Moorey 

Medicine Hat Horace A. Bud Olson Peter J. Keller 

Peace River Ged Baldwin Thomas Henri Therriault 

Red Deer Robert N. Thompson N. J. McPhee 

Vegreville Frank J. W. Fane Terence Kenneth Cole 

Wetaskiwin Harry A. Moore Harry J. Noble 

YUKON TERRITORY 

Yukon Erik Nielsen Charles Thomas Ravenhill 

NORTHWEST TERRITORIES 

Northwest Territories I. J. Tibbie Hardie L. F. G. Borden 



The Members who had taken and subscribed the oath required by law, 
took their seats. 



The Clerk communicated the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

27th September 1962. 

Sir, 

I am commanded to inform you that the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, P.C, 
Chief Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor- General, will 
proceed to the Senate Chamber to open the First Session of the Twenty-fifth 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 7 

Parliament of Canada on this day Thursday, the 27th September, 1962, at 
11.00 a.m. 

I have the honour to be. 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor-General. 

The Clerk of the House of Commons, 
House of Commons, 
Ottawa. 



A Message was delivered by the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod: 

Members of the House of Commons: 

His Honour the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General desires 
the immediate attendance of Honourable Members in the Chamber of the 
Honourable the Senate. 

Accordingly, the Members went up to the Senate Chamber, when the 
Speaker of the Senate said: 

Honourable Members of the Senate, 

and Members of the House of Commons: 

I have it in command to let you know that His Excellency the Governor 
General does not see fit to declare the causes of his summoning the present 
Parliament of Canada until the Speaker of the House of Commons shall have 
been chosen according to Law, but this afternoon at the hour of three o'clock 
His Excellency will declare the causes of calling this Parliament. 



And the Members being returned; 

The Right Honourable John G. Diefenbaker, addressing himself to the 
Clerk, moved, seconded by the Honourable Leon Balcer, — That Marcel-Joseph- 
Aime Lambert, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Edmonton West, 
do take the Chair of this House as Speaker. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 

And the Clerk having declared Marcel-Joseph-Aime Lambert, Esquire, 
duly elected, Mr. Lambert was conducted to the Chair by the Right Honourable 
John G. Diefenbaker and the Honourable Leon Balcer, when he returned his 
humble acknowledgments to the House for the great honour they had been 
pleased to confer upon him by choosing him to be their Speaker. 



The Mace was laid upon the Table. 



At 12.12 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended until 3.00 o'clock p.m. 
this day. !' 



8 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

3.00 o'clock p.m. 

The sitting resumed. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

27th September, 1962. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that His Excellency the Governor-General 
will arrive at the Main Entrance of the Parliament Buildings at 3.00 p.m. on 
this day Thursday the 27th September, 1962, and when it has been signified that 
all is in readiness, will proceed to the Chamber of the Senate to open formally 
the First Session of the Twenty-fifth Parliament of Canada. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

ESMOND BUTLER, 
Secretary to the Governor-General. 

The Honourable 

The Speaker of the House of Commons, 
Ottawa. 

A Message was delivered by the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod: 

Mr. Speaker: 

His Excellency the Governor General desires the immediate attendance of 
this Honourable House in the Chamber of the Honourable the Senate. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went up to the Senate Chamber, 
and Mr. Speaker spoke to the following effect: 

May it please Your Excellency: 

The House of Commons have elected me their Speaker, though I am but 
little able to fulfil the important duties thus assigned to me. 

If, in the performance of those duties, I should at any time fall into error, 
I pray that the fault may be imputed to me, and not to the Commons, whose 
servant I am, and who, through me, the better to enable them to discharge their 
duty to their Queen and Country, humbly claim all their undoubted rights and 
privileges, especially that they may have freedom of speech in their debates, 
access to Your Excellency's person at all seasonable times, and that their pro- 
ceedings may receive from Your Excellency the most favourable construction. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 9 

The Honourable the Speaker of the Senate then said: 

Mr. Speaker: 

I am commanded by His Excellency the Governor General to declare to 
you that he freely confides in the duty and attachment of the House of Commons 
to Her Majesty's Person and Government and, not doubting that their proceed- 
ings will be conducted with wisdom, temper and prudence, he grants and upon 
all occasions will recognize and allow their constitutional privileges. 

I am commanded also to assure you that the Commons shall have ready 
access to His Excellency upon all seasonable occasions, and that their proceed- 
ings as well as your words and actions, will constantly receive from him the 
most favourable construction. 



And the House being returned: 



Mr. Speaker reported that the House had been in the Senate Chamber, and 
that he had, in their names and on their behalf, made the usual claim of 
privileges, which His Excellency had been pleased to confirm to them. 



Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-1, An Act respecting the Administration of Oaths of Office, which 
was read the first time. 



Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend His Excellency the 
Governor-General this day in the Senate Chamber, His Excellency was pleased 
to make a Speech to both Houses of Parliament, and to prevent mistakes, he 
had obtained a copy, which is as follows: 

Honourable Members of the Senate: 

Members of the House of Commons: 

I welcome you to this first session of the twenty-fifth Parliament of Canada. 

I know I speak for all Canadians when I say how pleased we were to have 
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother with us again. Her warmth 
and charm have added to the loyalty and affection for the Crown and our 
Queen. 

This Spring His Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh spent several weeks 
here in connection with his Second Study Conference on the Human Conse- 
quences of the Changing Industrial Environment in the Commonwealth and 
Empire. Her Royal Highness The Princess Royal, during her stay in Canada last 
June, carried out her programme of engagements with simplicity and grace. 

Canada has been honoured in the last few days by a visit from the President 
of Pakistan, His Excellency Ayub Khan, who accompanied my Prime Minister 



10 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

on his return from the Commonwealth Conference. We were happy to greet 
this distinguished leader of a great Commonwealth nation and to discuss with 
him matters of mutual interest. 

Since we last met in this Chamber my wife and I have visited many parts 
of Canada and have received at Government House a great number of societies 
and organizations, including representatives of student groups and youth move- 
ments. We have been deeply impressed with the expressions of loyalty to the 
Crown by people in all walks of life. 

The meeting of Commonwealth Prime Ministers just concluded has again 
provided an opportunity for frank discussions at the highest level and a demon- 
stration of the close relationship which distinguishes this unique association of 
free nations. Canada joined in welcoming four new self-governing members of 
of the Commonwealth — Sierra Leone, Tanganyika, Jamaica, and Trinidad and 
Tobago. 

The Commonwealth Conference discussed Britain's negotiations with the 
European Economic Community and the economic and political implications 
for the Commonwealth and its members of possible British accession to the 
Community. Canada has a vital concern in these issues and the government will 
spare no effort to safeguard the interests of Canada while preserving the unity 
and strength of the Commonwealth as a whole. 

Far-reaching changes are taking place in the trading relationships be- 
tween nations and groups of nations. New opportunities are opening up for 
fruitful negotiations to reduce the barriers to trade on a general, non-dis- 
criminatory basis. My Government believes and has proposed that these 
important subjects should receive comprehensive consideration at a confer- 
ence of representatives of like minded nations. 

Canada has continued to play an increasingly effective role in international 
affairs. The division of Germany and the position of Berlin remain a source 
of friction despite continuing efforts to find a basis for a negotiated settlement. 
So long as the Communist powers continue actions that bring tension and 
distrust, Canada's defensive capability must be maintained both at home and 
on the frontiers of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in Europe and in 
the Atlantic. 

The threat of war can be eliminated only by reaching effective inter- 
national agreement on disarmament verified by means that inspire confidence. 
Canada will persist in its efforts to achieve this end. 

Canadians have noted with satisfaction the establishment by the United 
Nations and the Food and Agriculture Organization, of a World Food Pro- 
gramme based on a proposal put forward by my Ministers. You will be asked 
to authorize a Canadian contribution to this programme. 

My Government will ask you, as a significant step in rounding out the 
concept of Confederation, to consider a resolution to provide for the "repa- 
triation" of the Constitution of Canada and to invite the concurrence of the 
provinces to this end. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 11 

As another means of making manifest the Canadian identity, my Govern- 
ment will invite the Provinces to a conference for consultation regarding the 
choice of a national flag and other national symbols. 

Measures will be placed before you to provide for the division of the 
Northwest Territories into two territories, and to provide more self-govern- 
ment for the residents of that area as a step toward the ultimate creation of 
new Provinces in Canada's great North. 

You will be requested to enact measures to give effect, with modifications, 
to certain of the recommendations of the Royal Commission on Publications. 

Legislation respecting the Senate will be introduced. 

To ensure that the redistribution of electoral districts is made objectively 
and impartially, you will be asked to approve a bill to establish an independent 
commission to recommend redistribution. 

A measure will be placed before you to establish an Indian Claims Com- 
mission to investigate claims on the part of various tribes and bands that 
certain of their rights have been restricted or abrogated, and to make recom- 
mendations for the equitable and final settlement of such claims. 

Economic activity in Canada has moved ahead sharply. This strong advance 
has resulted in more than 200,000 new jobs during the past twelve months. 
The objective of my Government is to accelerate this pace of advance. This 
would mean the creation over the next five years of more than 1 million new 
jobs and a corresponding growth in gross national product and in production 
for both the export and domestic market, already at record levels. 

Such high levels of activity have not prevented the emergence of foreign 
exchange difficulties similar to those which confronted Canada in crisis pro- 
portions in 1947, and to those which have affected other major trading nations 
more recently. In June my Government found it necessary to put into immediate 
effect a comprehensive programme to strengthen the country's exchange re- 
serves. Since that time Canada's exchange reserves have increased substantially. 
It is my Government's firm intention to remove the import surcharges included 
in this programme as soon as circumstances permit. 

My Government will continue to take positive, constructive measures to 
strengthen Canada's balance of international payments. The recently stabilized 
exchange rate for the Canadian dollar has greatly helped Canadian producers 
in all parts of Canada both in the domestic and export markets. The new ex- 
change rate is contributing as well to a large expansion in the Canadian tourist 
industry, which has also been aided by joint efforts of the Federal and Provincial 
Governments. 

Canada's development will continue to require imports of capital, and to 
this end my Government will maintain a climate in Canada hospitable to 
foreign investment. 

As one of my Government's measures to develop the Canadian economy, 
maintain a high level of employment and strengthen the balance of payments, 
you will be asked to approve legislation establishing a National Economic De- 
velopment Board. This Board would be broadly representative and would 
review and report upon the state of the economy and upon economic policies. 
It would also have the duty of recommending to the Government particular 



12 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

projects or measures which it considers would be in the interest of national 
development, including projects which may require direct governmental partic- 
ipation by way of financial aid or otherwise. 

The objective of my Ministers is a balanced budget. This will require the 
exercise of restraint in respect of controllable spending and an increased con- 
centration of available resources on essential national projects designed to 
ensure the expansion of the Canadian economy. Steps will be taken to improve 
further the efficiency of government operations. The report of the Royal Com- 
mission on Government Organization will be helpful in achieving this improve- 
ment of administration while maintaining the high status of the Canadian public 
service. A programme of economies in government expenditures will be reflected 
in the revised Estimates to be placed before you. 

A Royal Commission has been established to review the whole field of 
federal taxation and its impact on the Canadian economy, and to recommend 
reforms and improvements. 

The purposes of the fiscal measures to be placed before you at this Session 
will be the creation of better employment opportunities for the Canadian people, 
the promotion of a high rate of economic growth, the strengthening of Canada's 
balance of international payments and the maintenance of stability in prices. 
New budget measures will be introduced to provide further solutions to long- 
term problems. 

My Ministers will re-introduce the resolutions submitted in the last Budget 
which had as its central purpose the encouragement of economic growth. This 
will include the production incentive provided to manufacturing and processing 
companies by cancelling one-half of the tax on the first $50,000 of taxable in- 
come arising from increased sales and one-quarter of the increased tax on any 
additional income arising from increased sales. It will also include the measure 
to grant to individuals and companies the right to charge petroleum drilling 
and exploration expenses against income from oil and gas production, and to 
permit certain expenditures made to acquire oil and gas rights to be deductible 
for tax purposes. The measure to allow a special tax credit in respect of provin- 
cial logging taxes will also be re-introduced in order to remove discrimination in 
the taxation of logging operations. Iron mining companies will be added to the 
list of companies which are exempt from the special tax on income earned in 
Canada by branches of non-resident corporations. The measure will also be 
re-introduced to increase by $50 per year the income tax deductions allowed 
for children. 

My Government intends to press forward in co-operation with Canadian 
industry to secure a greater and more rapid application of science to industrial 
production. You will be asked to approve the new tax incentive announced in 
the last Budget for corporations undertaking increased expenditures on scientific 
research in Canada. Dramatic evidence of successful co-operation between 
Canadian science and industry has been given this week in the opening of 
Canada's first nuclear power generating station. 

Canada's prosperity and growth must ultimately rest in large measure upon 
its exports. To achieve adequate export levels it will be necessary to increase 
further Canada's capacity to produce competitively and its ability to sell in 
export markets. The Government's industrial programmes are directed toward 
these ends. Its commercial policy negotiations have the objective of opening 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER la 

additional markets to Canadian producers in fair exchange for opportunities 
for others to sell in Canada. The vigorous campaign of export trade promotion 
will be expanded to enlarge the sales of Canadian products in foreign markets. 
You will be asked to provide the funds necessary for this increasing trade 
promotion work. Amendments to the Export Credits Insurance Act will also 
be placed before you, to double the insurance liability which the Corporation 
may assume and to improve the arrangements for long-term financing. 

You will be asked to authorize the establishment of an Atlantic Development 
Board to advise on measures and projects that will promote the economic 
development of the Atlantic region of Canada. 

Amendments will be requested in the Industrial Development Bank Act 
to enlarge still further this Bank's important role in national development. 

The prosperity of agriculture remains essential to the well-being of the 
entire Canadian economy. Canada is blessed this year with very large crops of 
good quality, and export markets for Canadian agricultural products have been 
greatly enlarged. 

My Ministers recognize that livestock is occupying a position of increasing 
importance in Canadian agriculture. They propose that a programme be insti- 
tuted to ensure the availability of storage facilities and continuity of supplies 
of feed grain to match the expanding requirements for livestock production, 
particularly in the areas of British Columbia and Eastern Canada where supplies 
of feed grain are normally deficient. 

The programme of rehabilitation and development of agricultural lands is 
proceeding actively and you will be asked to provide funds for it. 

Legislation will be proposed to enlarge the funds of the Farm Credit Cor- 
poration, and allow greater flexibility in their use. 

The need for training in agriculture and the present facilities have also been 
under review and as a sequel to these studies, a national conference on agri- 
cultural training is to be convened this fall. 

The development and use of Canada's resources of energy must be a 
central feature of the programme for national economic growth. The twenty- 
fourth Parliament has laid the groundwork for this in the National Energy 
Board Act and in other measures. 

It is hoped that arrangements will soon be completed that will make it 
possible to submit for your approval the Columbia River Treaty and the legis- 
lation required in Parliament to implement it. 

The national oil policy introduced by the Government two years ago has 
brought about a gratifying increase in the production and sale of Canadian oil. 

Studies will be continued, in co-operation with the provinces, in relation 
to the long distance high voltage transmission of electrical power and the 
development of potential sources of hydro-electric power with a view to the 
ultimate establishment of a national power grid, which will facilitate the orderly 
utilization of the hydro-electric potential of Canada in the interests of expanding 
Canadian development and progress. Discussions are in progress with the 
Government of Manitoba in respect to studies of the Nelson River system. 



14 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

My Ministers have come to the conclusion that large scale, long-term con- 
tracts for the export of power surplus to Canada's needs, present and potential, 
should now be encouraged in order to expedite the development of major power 
projects in Canada which are too large to be supported by the domestic market. 
Such exports can also strengthen our balance of payments. 

In recognition of the important role of transportation in the Canadian 
economy, you will be asked to approve measures to give effect to recommenda- 
tions of the Royal Commission on Transportation which has now completed 
its comprehensive analysis of the Canadian railway problem. These changes 
are intended to remove the need for general horizontal freight rate increases 
which have borne so heavily in the past upon certain areas and groups of 
producers. You will also be asked to provide for an extension of the Freight 
Rates Reduction Act and the other interim railway subsidies provided by 
appropriation. 

Amendments will be proposed to the Canada Shipping Act to preserve 
for Canadian vessels the coasting trade in the St. Lawrence and Great Lakes 
area. Funds will be requested to implement the programme of shipbuilding 
subsidies announced some months ago. 

You will be asked to provide for the continuation of the Winter Works 
Programme to assist municipalities in meeting seasonal unemployment. 

Far-reaching changes are taking place in manpower requirements in 
Canadian industries as a result of automation, other technological developments 
and world competitive pressures. A measure will be placed before you designed 
to assist employers, workers and their organizations in meeting the impact of 
industrial change. 

My Government will also place before you legislation to provide safeguards 
against accidents and hazards in works and undertakings within the Federal 
fields of jurisdiction. 

The Committee inquiring into matters relating to the Unemployment Insur- 
ance Fund is expected to submit its report this autumn. Following consideration 
of this report, appropriate measures will be placed before you. 

In order to permit the introduction of a national system of contributory 
old age pensions with disability and survivor benefits, an amendment to the 
British North America Act is required. The governments of all provinces except 
Quebec and Newfoundland have concurred in such an amendment. My Govern- 
ment is prepared to recommend to you the approval of an Address to Her 
Majesty requesting the amendment when the concurrence of these remaining 
provinces has been received. 

As pension plans have become ever more widely extended in Canadian 
business, it has been increasingly recognized that measures are essential to 
protect the interests of those affected and in particular to ensure that the 
benefits earned are portable when workers move from job to job. Provincial 
legislation would be required for this purpose in most cases, and several prov- 
inces are considering proposals of this nature. My Government will be prepared 
to place before you complementary legislation to deal with industries under 
Federal jurisdiction when adequate progress has been made by provinces. 

A measure will be placed before you to authorize the establishment of a 
national council of welfare to make more fully effective the action of both 
Federal and Provincial Governments in this field. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 15 

You will be asked to approve amendments to the Food and Drugs Act to 
provide for more effective control of the distribution and sale of drugs in the 
interests of the public health. 

You will be asked to enact legislation to provide for the establishment of 
a National Medical Research Council. 

Legislation will be re-introduced to authorize the payment by Federal 
Crown Corporations of certain Provincial commodity taxes and fees. 

Legislation will be proposed on university grants which will include 
authorization of payment of the higher grants announced some months ago and 
will provide alternative arrangements where supplementary provincial grants 
are made in lieu of Federal grants. 

A Bill will be introduced to authorize a revision and codification of all 
Federal Statutes. 

Bills will be introduced to amend the Judges Act, the Aeronautics Act, the 
Bankruptcy Act, the Coal Production Assistance Act and the Currency, Mint and 
Exchange Fund Act, and other statutes. 

Members of the House of CommonSj 

You will be asked to appropriate the funds required to carry on the services 
and payments approved by Parliament. 

You will be asked to abolish closure and to re-establish the special com- 
mittee on procedure of the House. 

Honourable Members of the Senate, 

Members of the Commons , 

I pray that God in His wisdom may enlighten you in the discharge of your 
duty towards our country. 



On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, it was ordered, — 
That the Speech of His Excellency to both Houses of Parliament be taken into 
consideration at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a 
Message from His Excellency the Governor-General, which was read by 
Mr. Speaker, as follows: 

GEORGE P. VANIER: 

The Governor- General transmits to the House of Commons a certified 
copy of an Order in Council appointing the Honourable Leon Balcer, Minister 
of Transport, the Honourable Gordon Churchill, Minister of Veterans Affairs, 
the Honourable George Clyde Nowlan, Minister of Finance, and the Honourable 
Ellen Louks Fairclough, Postmaster General, to act with the Speaker of the 
House of Commons as commissioners for the purposes and under the provisions 
of the one hundred and forty-third chapter of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 
1952, intituled: An Act respecting the House of Commons. 

Ottawa. 



16 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, Gordon 
Campbell Chown, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Winnipeg 
South, was appointed Chairman of Committees of the Whole House. 



On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, Remi Paul, 
Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Berthier-Maskinonge-Delanau- 
diere, was appointed Deputy Chairmain of Committees of the Whole House. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. 
Churchill, it was ordered, — That this House do stand adjourned until tomorrow 
at 2.30 p.m., notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 2(1). 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Proceedings of the Commissioners of 
Internal Economy of the House of Commons, for the period January 18 to 
September 26, 1962, pursuant to Standing Order 81. (English and French.) 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Parliamentary Librarian, pursuant to 
section 2 of the Regulations respecting the Library of Parliament (English and 
French), which is as follows: 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

The Parliamentary Librarian has the honour to submit his report for the 
first eight months of the year 1962. The last report was presented to both 
Houses on January 18, 1962. 

The Joint Committee met once during the last session, on March 13, 1962 
to review Library matters. 

The "Selected Additions List", issued twice a month to bring to the atten- 
tion of Senators and Members a choice of recent books of special interest, was 
continued throughout the year. A revised edition of the leaflet "How the 
Library of Parliament can Help Senators and Members" will be distributed 
shortly. 

From January 1 to August 31, 1962, our staff answered 2,540 reference 
questions and circulated 15,869 books and periodicals. During the same period, 
13,892 volumes were catalogued and classified, which brings to 181,687 the 
number of volumes recatalogued since the fire of 1952. 

On July 7, 1962 Mr. Frank W. Matley drowned on holidays. He had served 
the Library faithfully for over thirty years and will be greatly missed. 

On February 26, 1962 Miss A. Pamela Hardisty, Assistant Director, Ref- 
erence Services, National Library, was appointed Assistant Librarian by the 
Civil Service Commission, to replace Mr. R. M. Hamilton who left last year. 

Senators and Members will be pleased to learn that it has now become 
possible to convert one of our offices into a quiet Study Room for their ex- 
clusive use. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 17 

Close co-operation has been maintained with the National Library both 
informally and through the National Library Advisory Council of which the 
Parliamentary Librarian is Secretary. 

Mr. Guy Sylvestre, Associate Parliamentary Librarian, had the honour 
to serve as Chairman of the Committee for the Governor General's Literary 
Awards and continues to serve as vice-chairman of the Canadian Library 
Week Council. 

In June the Parliamentary Librarian accepted appointment as corres- 
pondent for Canada on the Committee on Parliamentary and Administrative 
Libraries of the International Federation of Library Associations. 

Respectfully submitted, 

ERIK J. SPICER, 
Parliamentary Librarian. 

Library of Parliament, 
Ottawa, September 26, 1962. 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Report of 
the Board of Trustees of the Queen Elizabeth II Canadian Fund to Aid in Re- 
search on the Diseases of Children, including the Auditor-General's Report on 
the Financial Statements of the Board, for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 15 of the Queen Elizabeth II Canadian Research Fund Act, 
chapter 33, Statutes of Canada, 1959. (English .and French). 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, — Summaries of Orders in Council passed during the 
months of March, April, May, June, July, and August, 1962. 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations pub- 
lished in the Canada Gazette, Part II,. of Wednesday, April 25, May 9 and 23, 
June 13 and 27, July 11 and 25, August 8 and 22, and September 12, 1962, 
pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, — Consolidated Index and Table of Statutory Orders 
and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, for the periods 
January 1, 1955, to March 31, 1962, and January 1, 1955, to June 30, 1962. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, by command of His Excellency the Governor- 
General, — Reports of the Royal Commission on Government Organization (J. 
Grant Glassco, Chairman), Volume I, Management of the Public Service, dated 
July 18, 1962. (English and French). 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Cana- 
dian Overseas Telecommunication Corporation, including its Accounts and 
Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended 
March 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 22 and 23(1) of the Canadian Overseas 
Telecommunication Corporation Act, chapter 42, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) 
of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Balcer, — Orders in Council, pursuant to section 19 of the Cana- 
dian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955, as follows: 

(1) Order in Council P.C. 1962-893, dated June 20, 1962, withdrawing 
from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company a certain parcel 

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of Canadian Government Railways land at Amos, Quebec, and authorizing the 
conveyance by Letters Patent to the Town of Amos of the aforesaid land foi 
the nominal consideration of $1.00; 

(2) Order in Council P.C. 1962-944, dated July 4, 1962, withdrawing 
from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company a certain parcel 
of Canadian Government Railways land at Moncton, New Brunswick, and 
authorizing the conveyance by Letters Patent to Canadian Liquid Air Proper- 
ties Limited of the aforesaid land for the sum of $10,000.00; 

(3) Order in Council P.C. 1962-1017, dated July 18, 1962, entrusting 
to the Canadian National Railway Company the management and operation 
of the M.V. "Confederation", effective April 16, 1962; 

(4) Order in Council P.C. 1962-1123, dated August 8, 1962, withdrawing 
from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company two parcels 
of Canadian Government Railways land in the Province of Manitoba, and 
authorizing the transfer of the administration and control of the aforesaid 
lands to Her Majesty in right of the Province of Manitoba. 

By Mr. Bell (Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report 
of the National Film Board of Canada for the year ended March 31, 1962, pur- 
suant to section 20(2) of the National Film Act, chapter 185, R.S.C., 1952, 
including the Report of the Auditor General on the Accounts of the Board. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Bell (Carleton), — Report of the National Librarian for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 13 of the National Library Act, 
chapter 330, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of 
Ordinances, chapters 1 to 17, made by the Commissioner in Council of the 
Northwest Territories, assented to on August 4, 1962, pursuant to section 15 
of the Northwest Territories Act, chapter 331, R.S.C. 1952, as amended 1953-54, 
together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-1193, dated August 22, 1962, 
approving same. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Copy of Ordinances, chapters 1 to 27, made by the 
Commissioner in Council of the Yukon Territory, assented to April 30 and 
May 11, 1962, pursuant to section 20 of the Yukon Act, chapter 53, Statutes 
of Canada, 1952-53, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-859, 
dated June 12, 1962, approving same. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Copy of Ordinance, chapter 1, made by the Commis- 
sioner in Council of the Yukon Territory, assented to July 5, 1962, pursuant to 
section 20 of the Yukon Act, chapter 53, Statutes of Canada, 1952-53, together 
with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-1289, dated September 12, 1962, 
approving same. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Copy of Ordinance, chapter 1, made by the Commis- 
sioner in Council of the Yukon Territory, assented to July 24, 1962, pursuant to 
section 20 of the Yukon Act, chapter 53, Statutes of Canada, 1952-53, together 
with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-1289, dated September 12, 1962, 
approving same. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — List of Apportionments and Adjustments of Seed Grain, 
Fodder for Animals and Other Relief Indebtedness for the period from 
January 19, to September 27, 1962, pursuant to section 2 of An Act respecting 
Certain Debts due the Crown, chapter 51, Statutes of Canada 1926-27. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 19 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Statement concerning Refunds under The Refunds 
(Natural Resources) Act for the period January 18 to September 27, 1962, 
pursuant to section 3 of the said Act, chapter 35, Statutes of Canada, 1932. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Report of the Northern Canada Power Commission, 
including its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor 
General, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 24 of the 
Northern Canada Power Commission Act, chapter 196, as amended 1956, and 
sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Capital Budget of the Northern Canada Power Com- 
mission for the year ending March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a 
copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-611, dated April 19, 1962, approving same. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Report of the Auditor General on the Examination 
of the Accounts and Financial Statements of the National Battlefields Com- 
mission for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 12 of An Act 
respecting the National Battlefields at Quebec, chapter 57, Statutes of Canada, 
1907-8, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Estimates of Expenditure and Budget of the National 
Battlefields Commission, for the year ending March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, 
together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-502, dated April 9, 1962, 
approving same. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Report of Proceedings under the Canada Water Con- 
servation Assistance Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 8 of the said Act, chapter 21, Statutes of Canada, 1952-53. 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report of the Director of Investigation and Research, Combines Investigation 
Act, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 44 of the said 
Act, chapter 314, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), — Report, dated August 2, 1962, of the 
Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, under the Combines Investigation 
Act, concerning the Manufacture, Distribution and Sale of Paperboard Shipping 
Containers and Related Products. 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), — Report, dated August 2, 1962, of the Restric- 
tive Trade Practices Commission, under the Combines Investigation Act, con- 
cerning the Acquisition of the Common Shares of Hendershot Paper Products 
Limited by Canadian International Paper Company. 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), — Report, dated August 2, 1962, of the Restric- 
tive Trade Practices Commission, under the Combines Investigation Act, con- 
cerning the Acquisition by Bathurst Power & Paper Company Limited of 
Wilson Boxes, Limited. 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton),— Report, dated August 28, 1962, of the 
Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, under the Combines Investigation 
Act, concerning the Manufacture, Distribution and Sale of Evaporated Milk 
and Related Products. 

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20 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — Report of the 
Department of Forestry for the year ended March 31, 1961, pursuant to 
section 12 of the Department of Forestry Act, chapter 41, Statutes of Canada, 
1960. (French). 

By Mr. Green, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
the Activities of the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations 
for the year 1961-62, pursuant to section 3 of the Food and Agriculture 
Organization of the United Nations Act, chapter 122, R.S.C., 1952. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor-General, — Report of the Board of Broadcast 
Governors for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 19 of the 
Broadcasting Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1958. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Report of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, 
including its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 36 of the Broadcasting 
Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1958, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of 
the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French) . 

By Mr. Halpenny, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report of the Civil Service Commission of Canada for the year ended Decem- 
ber 31, 1961, pursuant to section 76(1) of the Civil Service Act, chapter 57, 
Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny,— Order in Council P.C. 1962-533, dated April 12, 1962, 
amending the Yukon and Mackenzie River Electoral Districts Election Fees 
Tariff made by Order in Council P.C. 1961-436, dated March 23, 1961, pursuant 
to section 60(2) of the Canada Elections Act, chapter 39, Statutes of Canada, 
1960. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report of the Department of the Secretary of State of Canada for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 8 of the Department of State Act, 
chapter 77, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hamilton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital 
Budget of the Farm Credit Corporation for the year ending March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-487, dated 
April 5, 1962, approving same. 

By Mr. Hamilton, — Report of the Agricultural Products Board for the year 
ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to section 7 of the Agricultural Products 
Board Act, chapter 4, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hamilton, — Report of the Agricultural Stabilization Board for 
the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 14 of the Agricultural 
Stabilization Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1957-58. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Hamilton, — Report for 1961 of the Board of Grain Commissioners 
for Canada. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 27th SEPTEMBER 21 

By Mr. Hamilton, — Report on Prairie Farm Rehabilitation and Related 
Activities for the year ended March 31, 1961, pursuant to section 12 of the 
Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act, chapter 214, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hamilton, — Report of the Farm Credit Corporation, including its 
Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the 
year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. MacLean (Queens), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report of the Fisheries Prices Support Board for the year ended March 31, 
1962, pursuant to section 7 of the Fisheries Prices Support Act, chapter 120, 
R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. MacLean (Queens), — Order in Council P.C. 1962-299, dated 
March 8, 1962, authorizing the Manner in which Fishing Bounty may be dis- 
tributed for the year ended March 31, 1962, together with a Statement of the 
Mode in which such payments were authorized for the said year, pursuant to 
section 4 of the Deep Sea Fisheries Act, chapter 61, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Monteith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Receipts and Expenditures under Part V of the Canada Shipping Act (Sick 
Mariners) for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 321 of the 
said Act, chapter 29, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Monteith, — Report on the Operation of Agreements with the 
Provinces under the Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act for the 
year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 28, 
Statutes of Canada, 1957. 

By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor-General, — Report on the Operations of the Farm 
Improvement Loans Act for the year ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to 
section 13 of the said Act, chapter 110, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nowlan, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report on the Operations of the Veterans' Business and Professional Loans Act 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 13 of the said Act, 
chapter 278, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nowlan, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report on the Operations of the Fisheries Improvement Loans Act for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 12(2) of the said Act, Chapter 46, 
Statutes of Canada, 1955. (English and French). 

By Mr. Starr, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Government Annuities Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 16 of the said Act, chapter 132, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Starr, — Report on the Industrial Relations and Disputes Investiga- 
tion Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 68 of the said 
Act, chapter 152, R.S.C., 1952. 



22 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

By Mr. Starr, — Report on the Technical and Vocational Training Assist- 
ance Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 13 of the said 
Act, chapter 6, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. 

By Mr. Starr, by command of His Excellency the Governor- General, — 
Report of the Unemployment Insurance Advisory Committee for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 90(2) of the Unemployment In- 
surance Act, chapter 50, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Starr, — Report of the Unemployment Insurance Commission for 
the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 95(2) of the Unemployment 
Insurance Act, chapter 50, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 

Minutes of Proceedings of the Royal Society of Canada, 1961, pursuant to 
section 9 of An Act to Incorporate the Royal Society of Canada, chapter 46, 
Statutes of Canada, 1883. (English and French). 

Financial Statement of the Royal Society of Canada, certified by the 
Auditors, for the year ended March 31, 1962. 



At 5.02 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock 
p.m. pursuant to Order made this day. 



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No. 2 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 28th SEPTEMBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

The Order for the consideration of the Speech of His Excellency the 
Governor-General to both Houses of Parliament being read; 

Mr. Chaplin, seconded by Mr. Vincent, moved, — That the following Address 
be presented to His Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military Cross 
and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander-in- 
Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was, on motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Chevrier, adjourned. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor- General, — Report of the Royal Commission on 



24 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Transportation (M. A. MacPherson, Q.C., Chairman), Volume HI (Final), dated 
July 1962, together with a Summary of the said Report. (English and French). 

By Mr. Fulton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
National Capital Commission, Part I, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 85(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Fulton, — Report of the National Capital Commission, Part II, being 
its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the 
year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 87(3) of the Financial Adminis- 
tration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Harkness, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Moneys received and disbursed in the Special Account (Replacement of Materiel) 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 11(4) of the National 
Defence Act, chapter 184, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Harkness, — Statements on the Standing and Transactions of the 
Canadian Forces Superannuation Account as at March 31, 1962, together with 
a Statement of Annuities, Annual Allowances, Cash Termination Allowances, 
and Return of Contributions for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 26 of the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, chapter 21, Statutes of 
Canada, 1959. 



At 4.17 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. 
Churchill, the House adjourned until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 1st OCTOBER 



No. 3 



JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 1st OCTOBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-2, An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867, 
with respect to the Senate, which was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Monteith, seconded by Mr. Fulton, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Monteith, seconded by Mr. Fulton, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Department of National Health and Welfare 
Act, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Mrs. Fairclough, seconded by Mr. MacLean (Queens), by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-5, An Act to amend the Post Office Act, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-6, An Act to repeal The Newfoundland Savings Bank Act, 1939, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House. 

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26 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

I should like to draw the attention of the House to the fact that all the 
subsequent bills are non-government bills. As they will be appearing before 
me for the first time, I am not sure of either their bulk or their content, and 
I do not know whether or not they meet the requirements of the rules of 
the House in so far as their essentials are concerned. I must therefore enter 
a caveat by pointing out that, between now and the time they come up for 
second reading, such bills will be scrutinized and if there is any essential 
defect the House will be acquainted with that fact when the particular 
measure appears before us for second reading. 

I realize that at the present time the House itself is not in a position to 
judge whether a bill is acceptable or not, because it is seeing it for the first 
time. An Order for first reading is merely a direction that a bill be printed 
so that honourable members may see it. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by 
Mr. Howard, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-7, An Act to amend 
the Bankruptcy Act (Wage Earners' Assignments), which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-8, An Act respecting the Jurisdiction of the Exchequer Court 
of Canada, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Winch, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-9, An Act to amend the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, with 
respect to the Readjustment of Representation in the House of Commons, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-10, An Act to provide for Minimum Wages for Employees in Federal 
Works, Undertakings and Businesses, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-11, An Act to amend the Trans-Canada Highway Act (Can- 
ada Highways), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Fisher, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-12, An Act to provide in Canada for the Dissolution and the Annulment 
of Marriage, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 1st OCTOBER 27 

Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Fisher, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-13, An Act respecting the Solicitor General Act, which was read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Peters, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-14, An Act respecting Indians, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Winch, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-15, An Act to provide for Pay for Statutory Holidays for Employees 
and for Pay for Work performed on Statutory Holidays in Federal Works, 
Undertakings and Businesses, which was read the first time and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Smith (Calgary South), seconded by Mr. More, by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-16, An Act to provide for the Establishment of a Hospital 
Sweepstakes Board, which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Batten, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-17, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Negotiation and Arbitra- 
tion), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Peters, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-18, An Act to amend the House of Commons Act (Internal Economy 
Autonomy), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Peters, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-19, An Act respecting the Canada Court of Indian Claims, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr Howard, seconded by Mr Fisher, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Trading Stamps), which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Lewis, seconded by Mr. Fisher, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-21, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Age of Voters), which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 

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28 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-22, An Act to amend the Agricultural Rehabilitation and 
Development Act (Indian Reserves), which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Peters, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-23, An Act to amend the Industrial Relations and Disputes Investigation 
Act, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-24, An Act to amend the Senate and 
House of Commons Act, which was read the first time and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Carter, seconded by Mr. Nixon, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-25, An Act to amend the Merchant Seamen Compensation Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Barnett, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-26, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Responsibility for Dislocation 
Costs), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Criminal 
Code (Nuisance), which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Laing, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-28, An Act to provide for Copyright in Canada, which was read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Bourbonnais, seconded by Mr. Vincent, by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-29, An Act respecting the Sovereignty of Canada, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Lewis, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-30, An Act to establish the Office of Parliamentary Proctor and to regulate 
Taxation of Costs, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 1st OCTOBER 29 

Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-31, An Act to amend the Indian Act 
(Liquor Rights), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Prittie, seconded by Mr. Lewis, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-32, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Collective Bargaining and 
Arbitration), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Prittie, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act (Twelve Mile 
Fishing Zone), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Mather, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-34, An Act to amend the Municipal Improvements Assistance Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Mr. Argue, seconded by Mr. Byrne, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-35, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act (Advertising), which was read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Argue, seconded by Mr. Byrne, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-36, An Act to make Provision for the Disclosure of Information in respect 
of Finance Charges, which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Bourbonnais, seconded by Mr. Vincent, by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-37, An Act respecting the Administration of certain Crown Cor- 
porations, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Berger, seconded by Mr. Prittie, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-38, An Act to enable Civil Servants to engage in Political Activity, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Berger, seconded by Mr. Mather, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-39, An Act to provide for the control of Consumer Credit, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



30 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Mr. Argue, seconded by Mr. Gordon, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-40, An Act to amend the Interest Act, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Smith (Calgary South), seconded by Mr. Rynard, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-41, An Act for the Establishment of an Annual Youth 
Appreciation Week, which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands) 
by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Bills of 
Exchange Act (Instalment Purchases), which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Mather, second by Mr. Prittie, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-43, An Act to amend the Canada Fair Employment Practices Act (Age 
Discrimination), which was read the first time and ordered for a second read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Thomas, seconded by Mr. Aiken, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Abandonment), which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Thomas, seconded by Mr. Aiken, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-45, An Act to amend the National Energy Board Act (Drainage Works), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr. Winch, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-46, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Human Rights abuses 
remedied), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Mcintosh, seconded by Mr. Nugent, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-47, An Act to amend the Pension Act (Judicial Appeal), which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to Gov- 
ernment Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 1st OCTOBER 31 

That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty the Queen in the 
following words: 

To the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Senate and 
Commons of Canada in Parliament assembled, humbly approach Your Majesty, 
praying that You may graciously be pleased to cause a measure to be laid 
before the Parliament of the United Kingdom to be expressed as follows: 

An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867. 

Whereas the Senate and House of Commons of Canada in Parliament 
assembled have submitted an Address to Her Majesty praying that Her Majesty 
may graciously be pleased to cause a measure to be laid before the Parliament 
of the United Kingdom for the enactment of the provisions hereinafter set 
forth: 

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and 
with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, 
in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as 
follows: 

as'^tT^"'^''^ 1. Section ninety-four A of the British North America Act, 1867 

fegisiation is hereby repealed and the following substituted therefor: 

respecting 
old age 
pensions. 
30 & 31 Vict.. 
c. 3. 

reYpSinT ''^^^' ^^ ^^ hereby declared that the Parliament of 

old age and Canada may from time to time make laws in relation to 
related (a) old age pensions, and 

pensions. ^^^ pensions and other benefits incidental to, or con- 

ducive to the better operation and administration 
of, a scheme of old age pensions, 
but no law made by the Parliament of Canada under the 
authority of this section affects the operation of any law 
enacted by the legislature of a province in relation to 
any of the matters specified in paragraphs (a) and (b) of 
this section." 
Short title 2. This Act may be cited as the British North America Act, 1963, 

citation. and the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1962, and this Act may 
be cited together as the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1963. 

— The Prime Minister. 

Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Hees, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Freight Rates 
Reduction Act to extend for not more than twelve months the period during 
which the revised rates under the said Act shall be applicable and to increase 
the authorized expenditure under the Act by an additional twenty million 
dollars. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



32 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mrs. Fairclough, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to bring in a measure to authorize the Canadian Na- 
tional Railway Company to make capital expenditures in the year 1962 not 
exceeding $156,500,000 and to make certain capital expenditures and enter 
into certain contracts prior to July 1, 1963; to authorize the National Company 
to issue securities to provide amounts required for the authorized expenditures; 
to provide that, except as expressly provided, the aggregate principal amount 
of securities outstanding at any time shall not exceed $57,700,000; to authorize 
the Governor in Council to guarantee the principal and interest of securities 
issued by the Company for the purpose aforesaid; to authorize the Minister of 
Finance to make loans to the said Company secured by such securities and not 
exceeding $57,700,000 in principal amount to enable the said Company to meet 
such expenditures and with authority to give financial aid and assistance to 
other Companies of the National System; and to provide further in respect of 
the refunding of matured, maturing and callable obligations of the said Com- 
pany, for the issue of securities guaranteed by the Dominion of Canada, to an 
aggregate principal amount not exceeding $480,000,000 in lieu of the present 
amount of $230,000,000. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Green, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure respecting the establishment 
of an electoral boundaries commission for the readjustment of representation 
in the House of Commons; to provide that certain members of the Commis- 
sion may be paid such per diem allowances as may be fixed by the Governor in 
Council; to provide also for the payment of reasonable travelling and living 
expenses for the members of the Commission; and to provide further that the 
Commission may engage the services of such technical advisers and other staff, 
including a person to act as secretary to the Commission, as it deems necessary. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its 
next sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — That the House 
do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the payment 
out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, to any person who was a member of 
the Senate on April 6th, 1962, but who ceases to be a member at the age of 
seventy-five years or more by reason of an amendment to Section 29 of the 
British North America Act, 1867, of a lifetime retirement annuity equivalent 
to three-quarters of the amount per annum of the sessional allowance he was 
receiving under the Senate and House of Commons Act at the time when he 
ceased to be a member. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 1st OCTOBER M 

Mr. Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Monteith, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Farm Credit Act 
to increase the capital of the Farm Credit Corporation from twelve million 
dollars to sixteen million dollars so as to increase the lending capacity of the 
Corporation from three hundred million dollars to four hundred million 
dollars; and to provide further for certain changes in connection with the 
administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Currency, Mint 
and Exchange Fund Act to authorize the Minister of Finance to purchase, out 
of the Exchange Fund Account maintained under the Act, securities of the 
International Monetary Fund. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Federal- 
Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act to provide an arrangement with respect 
to fiscal years commencing on or after April 1, 1962 similar to that provided 
in the Federal-Provincial Tax-Sharing Arrangements Act with respect to 
previous fiscal years; to provide also in the said amendment for an increase of 
one-third in the amount of the payment, from one dollar and fifty cents to 
two dollars per capita. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mrs. Fairclough, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the payment of 
certain provincial taxes and fees by Crown Corporations on or after the 1st day 
of April, 1962. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

The House resumed the adjourned debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Chaplin, seconded by Mr. Vincent, — That the following Address be presented 
to His Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 



34 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military- 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Conmiander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully affirm to Your Excellency that Your Excellency's advisers 
do not possess the confidence of this House." 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Fulton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of Proceedings under the 
Trans- Canada Highway Act for the year ended March 31, 1961, pursuant to 
section 9 of the said Act, chapter 269, R.S.C., 1952. (French). 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Orders in Council, 
pursuant to section 21b of the Export Credits Insurance Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 
1952, as amended 1960-61, as follows: 

(1) Order in Council P.C. 1962-1192, dated August 22, 1962, authorizing, 
under section 21 of the said Act, a contract of insurance by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the shipment of approximately 500,000 tons of Cana- 
dian wheat to Poland. 

(2) Order in Council P.C. 1962-753, dated May 22, 1962, authorizing, under 
section 21a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits Insurance 
Corporation for the sale by The Dominion Road Machinery Co., Limited, Gode- 
rich, Ontario, of 45 Champion road graders and spare parts to the Province of 
La Pampa, Republic of Argentina. 

(3) Order in Council P.C. 1962-1175, dated August 22, 1962, authorizing, 
under section 21a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale of equipment for the expansion of the 
Khulna Newsprint Mill by Canadian General Electric Company, Limited, 
Toronto, Ontario, and of engineering services from Sandwell Consultants 
Limited, Vancouver, B.C. to East Pakistan Industrial Development Corporation, 
Dacca, East Pakistan. 

(4) Order in Council P.C. 1962-1293, dated September 14, 1962, authorizing, 
under section 21 of the said Act, a contract of insurance by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by Canadair Limited, Montreal, of two 
CL-44D-4 aircraft plus spare parts to The Slick Corporation, San Francisco, 
California, U.S.A., and also approving a revision in payment terms respecting 
the contract of insurance by the said Corporation previously authorized under 
Order in Council P.C. 1960-801, dated June 11, 1960. 



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By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of His 
Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Administration of the Small 
Businesses Loans Act for the year ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to section 
11 of the said Act, chapter 5, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nowlan, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Operations under Part II of the Export Credits Insurance Act for 
the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 27 of the said Act, chapter 
105, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Nowlan, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the State of the Unemployment Insurance Fund and the Transactions 
under section 86 of the Unemployment Insurance Act for the year ended March 
31, 1962, pursuant to section 87 of the said Act, chapter 50, Statutes of Canada, 
1955. 

By Mr. O'Hurley, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Canadian Commercial Corporation, including its Accounts and Financial State- 
ments certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. O'Hurley, — Report of Defence Construction (1951) Limited, includ- 
ing its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for 
the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. O'Hurley, — Report of Crown Assets Disposal Corporation, including 
its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the 
year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 14 of the Surplus Crown Assets 
Act, chapter 260, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration 
Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. O'Hurley, — Report of Canadian Arsenals Limited, including its 
Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the 
year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 2nd OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Forbes, 
it was ordered, — That a Message be sent to the Senate to return to that House 
the evidence taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing 
Committee on Divorce during the last Session of the Twenty-fourth Parliament 
with respect to Bills SD-1 to SD-327 inclusive. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-48, An Act to Revise and Consolidate the Interpretation Act 
and the Amendments thereto, and to Effect Certain Consequential Amend- 
ments to the Canada Evidence Act and the Bills of Exchange Act, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-49, An Act to amend An Act to amend the Combines Inves- 
tigation Act and the Criminal Code, which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — That the 
House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the 
following proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by 
His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Judges Act to 
provide for salaries for two additional Judges of the Supreme Court of Nova 



38 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Scotia, including one Chief Justice, and for one additional Judge of the Court 
of Appeal for British Columbia. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — That the 
House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the 
following proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by 
His Excellency: 

That it is expedient to amend the Admiralty Act to permit the Governor 
in Council to authorize the payment of a salary not exceeding four hundred 
dollars per annum to a Surrogate Judge and not exceeding three hundred 
dollars per annum to a Registrar. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Chaplin, 
seconded by Mr. Vincent, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, 
in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully affirm to Your Excellency that Your Excellency's 
advisers do not possess the confidence of this House." 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Caouette, moved in amendment to the 
said proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amended by inserting 
after the word "advisers" and before the word "do" the following: 

"having failed to pursue economic and financial policies based on Social 
Credit principles, designed to establish a balanced economy and relieve 
the burden of public debt and public debt charges, thus assuring 
Canadians a standard of life compatible with this nation's capacity to 
produce". 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment to the amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 



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TUESDAY, 2nd OCTOBER 



39 



Yeas 







Messrs: 




Beaule, 


Dionne, 


Laprise, 


Olson, 


Belanger, 


Dumont, 


Latulippe, 


Ouellet, 


Bernier, 


Frenette, 


Leboe, 


Patterson, 


Boutin, 


Gagnon, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Perron, 


Caouette, 


Gauthier, 


Jean), 


Plourde, 


Chapdelaine, 


Gregoire, 


Maltais, 


Rondeau, 


Cook, 


Lamy, 


Marcoux, 


Roy, 


Cote, 


Langlois, 




Thomson — 30, 



Nays 



Messrs: 



Addison, 

Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Argue, 

Asselin, 

Badanai, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Baskin, 

Batten, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 

Bell (Carleton), 

Bell (Saint John- 
Albert), 

Belzile, 

Benidickson, 

Benson, 

Berger, 

Bigg, 

Boucher, 

Boulanger, 

Bourbonnais, 

Bourque, 

Bradley, 

Brewin, 

Brown, 

Burgess, 

Byrne, 

Cadieu (Meadow 
Lake), 

Cadieux 

Terrebonne) , 

Cameron 
(High Park) 

Cameron (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Cantin, 

Cardiff, 

Cardin, 

Caron, 

Carter, 

Cashin, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 



Chaplin, 

Chatterton, 

Chevrier, 

Chown, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Clermont, 

Clunis, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Cowan, 

Crestohl, 

Grossman, 

Grouse, 

Davis, 

Denis, 

Deschatelets, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Drouin, 

Drury, 

Dube, 

Dupuis, 

English, 

Enns, 

Ethier, 

Eudes, 

Fairclough (Mrs.), 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fisher, 

Fleming (Eglinton), 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke) , 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Forgie, 
Foy, 
Fulton, 
Garland, 
Godin, 
Gordon, 
Grafftey, 
Granger, 



Gray, 

Green, 

Grills, 

Gimdlock, 

Habel, 

Haidasz, 

Hales, 

Halpenny, 

Hamilton, 

Hanbidge, 

Hardie (Mrs.), 

Harkness, 

Harley, 

Hees, 

Hellyer 

Herridge, 

Hodgson, 

Honey, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Horner (Jasper- 
Edson), 

Horner (The 
Battlefords), 

Howard, 

Howe, 

Jones, 

Jorgenson, 

Kelly, 

Kennedy, 

Kindt, 

Knowles, 

Korchinski, 

Lachance, 

Laing, 

LaMarsh (Miss), 

Lamoureux, 

Laniel, 

Leduc, 

Legare, 

Legere, 

Lessard (Saint- 
Henri), 

Letourneau, 

Lewis, 

Loiselle, 

Macdonald (Mrs.), 



Macdonald 

(Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
MacEwan, 
Maclnnis, 
Mackasey, 
MacLean (Queens), 
Macnaughton, 
Macquarrie, 
MacRae, 
McBain, 
McCleave, 
McDonald 

(Hamilton 
South), 
McGee, 
McGrath, 
Mcllraith, 
Mcintosh, 

McLean (Charlotte), 
McMillan, 
McNulty, 
McPhillips, 
McWilliam, 
Mandziuk, 
Martin (Essex East), 
Martin (Timmins), 
Martineau, 
Mather, 
Matheson, 
Matte, 
Meunier, 
Millar, 
Mitchell, 
Monteith, 

Moore (Wetaskiwin), 
More (Regina City), 
Morris, 
Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 
Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Munro, 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nicholson, 



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Nielsen, 


Pilon, 


Sams, 


Stewart, 


Nixon, 


Prittie, 


Sauve, 


Tardif, 


Noble, 


Pugh, 


Scott, 


TeiUet, 


Nowlan, 


Rapp, 


Sevigny, 


Thomas, 


Nugent, 


Ricard, 


Simpson, 


Tucker, 


O'Hurley, 


Richard, 


Skoreyko, 


Turner, 


Orlikow, 


Rideout, 


Slogan, 


Valade, 


Ormiston, 


Rinfret, 


Smallwood, 


Vincent, 


Otto, 


Robichaud, 


Smith (Calgary 


Wahn, 


Pascoe, 


Robinson, 


South), 


Walker, 


Paul, 


Rochon, 


Smith (Simcoe 


Webb, 


Pearson, 


Rock, 


North), 


Webster, 


Pennell, 


Rouleau, 


Southam, 


Weichel, 


Peters, 


Rowe, 


Starr, 


Whelan, 


Phillips, 


Roxburgh, 


Stefanson, 


Winch, 


Pickersgill, 


Ryan, 


Stenson, 


Winkler, 


Pigeon, 


Rynard, 




Woolliams — 233. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies 
of Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, 
of Wednesday, September 26, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations 
Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council,— Statement on 
the Operations of the Civil Service Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 
1962, pursuant to section 21(2) of the said Act, chapter 49, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Nowlan, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report of Operations under the Bretton Woods Agreements Act (International 
Monetary Fund, International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, and 
International Finance Corporation) and Report of Operations under the Inter- 
national Development Association Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 7 of the first-mentioned Act, chapter 19, R.S.C., 1952, and 
section 5 of the latter Act, chapter 32, Statutes of Canada, 1960. 



At 10.13 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 3rd OCTOBER 41 

No. 5 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 3rd OCTOBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by 
Mr. Churchill, it was ordered, — That when this House adjourns at 6.00 p.m. 
on Friday next, it shall stand adjourned until Tuesday, October 9, 1962, at 
11.00 o'clock a.m.; and that the provisions of Standing Orders 2 and 6 be 
suspended in relation thereto. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-50, An Act respecting the Expropriation of Land, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-51, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-52, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act (Advertising), which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-53, An Act to amend the Interest Act, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



42 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr Chaplin, 
seconded by Mr Vincent, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, 
in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully affirm to Your Excellency that Your Excellency's 
advisers do not possess the confidence of this House." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Churchill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Report of 
the National Research Council including the Report of the Medical Research 
Council, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 16(3) of the 
Research Council Act, chapter 239, and also the Report of Canadian Patents 
and Development Limited for the same period, certified by the Auditor Gen- 
eral, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration 
Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report relating to the Administration of the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement 
Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 41(2) of the said 
Act, chapter 111, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Superintendent of Insurance for Canada, Volume I — Abstract of Statements 
of Insurance Companies in Canada for the year ended December 31, 1961, 
pursuant to section 9 of the Department of Insurance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nowlan, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Canada, 
Volume III, Annual Statements — Life Insurance Companies and Fraternal 
Benefit Societies, for the year ended December 31, 1960, pursuant to section 9 
of the Department of Insurance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French) . 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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No. 6 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 4th OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Chaplin, 
seconded by Mr. Vincent, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major- General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, 
in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully affirm to Your Excellency that Your Excellency's 
advisers do not possess the confidence of this House." 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Lewis, seconded by Mr. Barnett, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amended by inserting therein 
immediately after the word "advisers" the words "having failed to propose a 
program of economic planning, designed to bring about economic growth and 
full employment". 



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And debate arising thereon; at 9.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted 
the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38(4). 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the 
amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Addison, 


Clunis, 


Lachance, 


Nixon, 


Argue, 


Cowan, 


Laing, 


Orlikow, 


Asselin, 


Crestohl, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Otto, 


Badanai, 


Crossman, 


Lamoureux, 


Pearson, 


Barnett, 


Davis, 


Laniel, 


PenneU, 


Batten, 


Denis, 


Leduc, 


Peters, 


Bechard, 


Deschatelets, 


Legare, 


Pickersgill, 


Beer, 


Dronin, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Pilon, 


Benidickson, 


Drury, 


Henri), 


Prittie, 


Benson, 


Dube, 


Lewis, 


Richard, 


Berger, 


Dupuis, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Boucher, 


Ethier, 


Macdonald 


Rinfret, 


Boulanger, 


Eudes, 


(Rosedale), 


Robichaud, 


Bourque, 


Fisher, 


MacEachen, 


Rochon, 


Brewin, 


Forgie, 


Maclnnis, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Foy, 


Mackasey, 


Rouleau, 


Burgess, 


Garland, 


Macnaughton, 


Roxburgh, 


Byrne, 


Godin, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Cadieux, 


Gordon, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Sauve, 


Cameron 


Granger, 


McMiUan, 


Scott, 


(High Park), 


Gray, 


McNulty, 


Stewart, 


Cameron (Nanaimo-Habel, 


McWiUiam, 


Tardif, 


Cowichan-The 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Essex East), 


TeiUet, 


Islands) , 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tucker, 


Cantin, 


Harley, 


Mather, 


Turner, 


Cardin, 


Hellyer, 


Matheson, 


Wahn, 


Caron, 


Herridge, 


Matte, 


Walker, 


Carter, 


Honey, 


Meunier, 


Webster, 


Cashin, 


Howard, 


Mitchell, 


Whelan, 


Chevrier, 


Kelly, 


Munro, 


Winch— Hi 


Clermont, 


Knowles, 


Nicholson, 





Nays 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 
Alkenbrack, 
Balcer, 
Baldwin, 
Baskin, 
Beaule, 
Belanger, 
Bell (Carleton), 
Bell (Saint John- 
Albert), 
Belzile, 
Bernier, 
Bigg, 

Bourbonnais, 
Boutin, 
Bradley, 
Cadieu, 



Cardiff, 

Casselman (Mrs.). 

Chaplin, 

Chatterton, 

Chown, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cook, 

Cooper, 

Cote, 

Crouse, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Doucett, 

Dumont, 



English, 

Enns, 

Fairclough (Mrs.), 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fleming (Eglinton), 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke) , 
Flemming (Victoria 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Frenette, 
Fulton, 
Gagnon, 
Grafftey, 
Green, 
GriUs, 



Gundlock, 
Hales, 
Halpenny, 
Hamilton, 
Hanbidge, 
Harkness, 
■Hees, 
Hodgson, 
■Horner (Acadia), 
Horner (Jasper- 

Edson), 
Horner (The 

Battlefords), 
Howe, 
Jones, 
Jorgenson, 
Kennedy, 



A.D. 1962 


THURSDAY, 


4th OCTOBER 




Kindt, 


McGrath, 


Nugent, 


Sevigny, 


Korchinski, 


Mcintosh, 


O'Hurley, 


Simpson, 


Langlois, 


McPhillips, 


Olson, 


Skoreyko, 


Laprise, 


Maltais, 


Ormiston, 


Slogan, 


Latulippe, 


Mandziuk, 


OueUet, 


Smallwood, 


Leboe, 


Marcoux, 


Pascoe, 


Smith (Calgary 


Legere, 


Martineau, 


Patterson, 


South), 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Millar, 


Paul, 


Smith (Simcoe 


Jean), 


Monteith, 


Perron, 


North), 


Letourneau, 


Moore, 


Phillips, 


Southam, 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


More, 


Pigeon, 


Starr, 


MacEwan, 


Morris, 


Plourde, 


Stefanson, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Pugh, 


Stenson, 


Macquarrie, 


North and 


Rapp, 


Thomas, 


MacRae, 


Victoria), 


Ricard, 


Thompson, 


McBain, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Robinson, 


Valade, 


McCleave, 


Nasserden, 


Rondeau, 


Vincent, 


McDonald 


Nesbitt, 


Rowe, 


Webb, 


(Hamilton 


Nielsen, 


Roy, 


Weichel, 


South), 


Noble, 


Rynard, 


Winkler, 


McGee, 


Nowlan, 


Sams, 


Woolliams — 140, 



4S 



And the question being put on the amendment to the main motion, it was 
negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Addison, 


Clunis, 


Lachance, 


Nixon, 


Argue, 


Cowan, 


Laing, 


Orlikow, 


Asselin, 


Crestohl, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Otto, 


Badanai, 


Crossman, 


Lamoureux, 


Pearson, 


Barnett, 


Davis, 


Laniel, 


Pennell, 


Batten, 


Denis, 


Ledue, 


Peters, 


Bechard, 


Deschatelets, 


Legare, 


Pickersgill, 


Beer, 


Drouin, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Pilon, 


Benidickson, 


Drury, 


Henri), 


Prittie, 


Benson, 


Dube, 


Lewis, 


Richard, 


Berger, 


Dupuis, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Boucher, 


Ethier, 


Macdonald 


Rinfret, 


Boulanger, 


Eudes, 


(Rosedale), 


Robichaud, 


Bourque, 


Fisher, 


MacEachen, 


Rochon, 


Brewin, 


Forgie, 


Maclnnis, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Foy, 


Mackasey, 


Rouleau, 


Burgess, 


Garland, 


Macnaughton, 


Roxburgh, 


Byrne, 


Godin, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Cadieux, 


Gordon, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Sauve, 


Cameron 


Granger, 


McMillan, 


Scott, 


(High Park), 


Gray, 


McNulty, 


Stewart, 


Cameron (Nanaimo-Habel, 


McWiUiam, 


Tardif, 


Cowichan-The 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Teillet, 


Islands), 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tucker, 


Cantin, 


Harley, 


Mather, 


Turner, 


Cardin, 


Hellyer, 


Matheson, 


Wahn, 


Caron, 


Herridge, 


Matte, 


Walker, 


Carter, 


Honey, 


Meunier, 


Webster, 


Cashin, 


Howard, 


Mitchell, 


Whelan, 


Chevrier, 


Kelly, 


Munro, 


Winch— 118. 


Clermont, 


Knowles, 


Nicholson, 





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11 ELIZABETH II 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Fane, 


Letourneau, 


Pascoe, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fleming (Eglinton) 


, Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Patterson, 


Balcer, 


Fleming (Okanagan-MacEwan, 


Paul, 


Baldwin, 


Revelstoke), 


MacLean (Queens), 


Perron, 


Baskin, 


Flemming (Victoria- Macquarrie, 


Phillips, 


Beaule, 


Carleton), 


Ma 2Rae, 


Pigeon, 


Belanger, 


Forbes, 


McBain, 


Plourde, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Frenette, 


McCleave, 


Pugh, 


Bell (Saint John- 


Fulton, 


McDonald 


Rapp, 


Albert), 


Gagnon, 


(Hamilton 


Ricard, 


Belzile, 


Grafftey, 


South), 


Robinson, 


Bernier, 


Green, 


McGee, 


Rondeau, 


Bigg, 


Grills, 


McGrath, 


Rowe, 


Bourbonnais, 


Gundlock, 


Mcintosh, 


Roy, 


Boutin, 


Hales, 


McPhillips, 


Rynard, 


Bradley, 


Halpenny, 


Maltais, 


Sams, • 


Cadieu, 


Hamilton, 


Mandziuk, 


Sevigny, 


Cardiff, 


Hanbidge, 


Marcoux, 


Simpson, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Harkness, 


Martineau, 


Skoreyko, 


Chaplin, 


Hees, 


Millar, 


Slogan, 


Chatterton, 


Hodgson, 


Monteith, 


Smallwood, 


Chown, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Moore, 


Smith (Calgary 


Churchill, 


Horner (Jasper- 


More, 


South), 


Clancy, 


Edson), 


Morris, 


Smith (Simcoe 


Coates, 


Horner (The 


Muir (Cape Breton 


North), 


Cook, 


Battlefords), 


North and 


Southam, 


Cooper, 


Howe, 


Victoria), 


Starr, 


Cote, 


Jones, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Stefanson, 


Crouse, 


Jorgenson, 


Nasserden, 


Stenson, 


Diefenbaker, 


Kennedy, 


Nesbitt, 


Thomas, 


Dinsdale, 


Kindt, 


Nielsen, 


Thompson, 


Dionne, 


Korchinski, 


Noble, 


Valade, 


Doucett, 


Langlois, 


Nowlan, 


Vincent, 


Dumont, 


Laprise, 


Nugent, 


Webb, 


English, 


Latulippe, 


O'Hurley, 


Weichel, 


Enns, 


Leboe, 


Olson, 


Winkler, 


Fairclough (Mrs.), 


Legere, 


Ormiston, 


Woolliams— 140, 


Fairweather, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 
Jean), 


OueUet, 





Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Canadian Maritime Commission for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 13 of the Canadian Maritime Commission Act, chapter 38, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Balcer, — Statement of Leases of Wharves, Piers and Breakwaters 
for the year ended December 31, 1961, made under the provisions of the 
Government Harbours and Piers Act, pursuant to section 18 of the said Act, 
chapter 135, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Balcer, — Order in Council P.C. 1962-1357, dated September 27, 
1962, withdrawing from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Com- 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 4th OCTOBER 47 

pany a certain parcel of Canadian Government Railways land in the Village 
of Parent, Province of Quebec, pursuant to section 19(3) of the Canadian 
National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Bell (Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report 
of the Number and Amount of Loans to Immigrants made under section 69(1) 
of the Immigration Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 
69(6) of the said Act, chapter 325, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Churchill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Army Benevolent Fund Board for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 13 of the Army Benevolent Fund Act, chapter 10, R.S.C., 1952, 
including its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor 
General. 

By Mr. Churchill, — Financial Statement on the Operations of the Veterans 
Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 20 of the 
said Act, chapter 279, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Churchill, — Financial Statement on the Operations of The Returned 
Soldiers' Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 
17(2) of the said Act, chapter 54, Statutes of Canada, 1920, as amended 1951. 

By Mr. Churchill, — Statement of Expenditures and Financial Commit- 
ments made under the Veterans' Land Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 42 of the said Act, chapter 280, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 10.11 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 5th OCTOBER 49 

No. 7 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 5th OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Agreement, dated May 28, 1962, between the Governments of Canada 
and the Province of Manitoba for Construction of The Greater Winnipeg Flood- 
way to divert waters from the Red River upstream from Winnipeg and return 
them downstream from Winnipeg to control flooding. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Chaplin, 
seconded by Mr. Vincent, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Cardin, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully submit to Your Excellency that the failure of 
Your Excellency's advisers to place before this House at the earliest 

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opportunity a measure to approve the collection of taxes which have 
been imposed by Order in Council, as part of the austerity programme, 
denies to this House the exclusive constitutional right to approve the 
imposition of additional taxation which is the foundation of our system 
of responsible self-government." 

And debate arising thereon and continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Chief Electoral Officer, dated October 5, 
1962, pursuant to section 58 of the Canada Elections Act, chapter 39, Statutes 
of Canada, 1960. (English and French). 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Order in Council P.C. 1962-1352, dated September 27, 1962, approving amend- 
ments made on August 24, 1962, to the Table of Fees to be taken by the 
Registrars, Marshals and Practitioners, etc., in Admiralty proceedings in the 
Exchequer Court of Canada set forth in Appendix II to the General Rules 
and Orders Regulating the Practice and Procedure in Admiralty cases in the 
Exchequer Court of Canada, pursuant to section 31(4) of the Admiralty Act, 
chapter 1, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Green, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Diplomatic 
Instruments (English and French), as follows: 

(1) Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada and the 
United States of America granting permission to the United States to Con- 
struct, Operate and Maintain three additional Pumping Stations in Canada 
on the Haines-Fairbanks Pipeline. Signed at Ottawa on April 19, 1962. In 
force on April 19, 1962. 

(2) Amendment to the agreement between the Governments of Canada 
and the United States of America for Co-operation concerning Civil Uses of 
Atomic Energy. Signed at Washington on May 25, 1962. In force on July 11, 
1962. 

(3) Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada and France 
concerning the Exchange of Defence Science Information. Signed at Paris on 
May 25, 1962. In force May 25, 1962. 

(4) Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada and the 
United States of America modifying the Agreement of March 9, 1959, between 
the two countries, in order to provide for the Suspension of Tolls on the 
Welland Canal. Signed at Ottawa on July 3 and 13, 1962. In force on July 13, 
1962. 

(5) Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada and Greece 
concerning the Exchange of Defence Science Information. Signed at Athens 
on July 17 and 18, 1962. In force August 18, 1962. 

(6) Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada and Norway 
enlarging the Scope of the Aircrew Training Agreement of April 6, 1960, 
between the two countries. Done at Oslo on July 20, 1962. In force on July 20, 
1962. 

(7) Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada and Mexico 
constituting an Agreement permitting Amateur Radio Stations of Canada and 
Mexico to exchange Messages or other Communications from or to Third 
Parties. Signed at Mexico on July 30, 1962. In force on August 29, 1962. 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 5th OCTOBER 51 

(8) Agreement between the Governments of Canada and Sweden for 
Co-operation in the Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy. Signed at Stockholm on 
September 11, 1962. 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
National Productivity Council to the Ministers of Trade and Commerce and of 
Labour, including its Financial Statement and the Auditor-General's Report 
thereon, for the period December 20, 1960, to March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 19 of the National Productivity Council Act, chapter 4, Statutes of 
Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hees, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report of the Dominion Bureau of Statistics for the year ended March 31, 1962. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Tuesday next at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Order made 
Wednesday, October 3, 1962. 



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No. 8 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 9th OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Expropriation Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-55, An Act to amend the War Measures Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Chaplin, 
seconded by Mr. Vincent, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 



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And on the proposed motion of Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Cardin, 
in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully submit to Your Excellency that the failure of 
Your Excellency's advisers to place before this House at the earliest 
opportunity a measure to approve the collection of taxes which have 
been imposed by Order in Council, as part of the austerity programme, 
denies to this House the exclusive constitutional right to approve the 
imposition of additional taxation which is the foundation of our system 
of responsible self-government." 

And debate continuing thereon; at 9.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker inter- 
rupted the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38(4). 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was 
negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cowan, 


Lachance, 


Nixon, 


Argue, 


Crestohl, 


Laing, 


Orlikow, 


Asselin, 


Crossman, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Otto, 


Badanai, 


Davis, 


Lamoureux, 


Pearson, 


Barnett, 


Denis, 


Laniel, 


Pennell, 


Batten, 


Deschatelets, 


Leduc, 


Peters, 


Bechard, 


Drouin, 


Legare, 


Pickersgill, 


Beer, 


Drury, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Pilon, 


Benidickson, 


Dube, 


Henri), 


Prittie, 


Benson, 


Dupuis, 


Lewis, 


Richard, 


Berger, 


Ethier, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Boucher, 


Eudes, 


Macdonald 


Rinfret, 


Boulanger, 


Fisher, 


(Rosedale), 


Robichaud, 


Bourque, 


Forgie, 


MacEachen, 


Rochon, 


Brewin, 


Foy, 


Maclnnis, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Garland, 


Mackasey, 


Rouleau, 


Burgess, 


Godin, 


Macnaughton, 


Roxburgh, 


Byrne, 


Gordon, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Cadieux, 


Granger, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Sauve, 


Cameron 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Scott, 


(High Park), 


Habel, 


McNulty, 


Stewart, 


Cameron (Nanaimo-Haidasz, 


McWilliam, 


Tardif, 


Cowichan-The 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Martin (Essex East), 


TeiUet, 


Islands), 


Harley, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tucker, 


Cantin, 


Hellyer, 


Mather, 


Turner, 


Cardin, 


Herridge, 


Matheson, 


Wahn, 


Caron, 


Honey, 


Matte, 


Walker, 


Carter, 


Howard, 


Mitchell, 


Webster, 


Chevrier, 


Kelly, 


Munro, 


Whelan, 


Clermont, 


Knowles, 


Nicholson, 


Winch— 116. 


Clunis, 




Nays 
Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Belanger, 


Bigg, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Alkenbrack, 


Bell (Carleton), 


, Bourbonnais, 


ChapUn, 


Balcer, 


Bell (Saint John- Boutin, 


Chown, 


Baldwin, 


Albert), 


Bradley, 


Churchill, 


Baskin, 


Belzile, 


Cadieu, 


Clancy, 


Beaule, 


Bernier, 


Caouette, 


Coates, 



A.D. 1962 


TUESDAY, 


9th OCTOBER 




Cook, 


Hanbidge, 


McGrath, 


Pigeon, 


Cooper, 


Harkness, 


Mcintosh, 


Plourde, 


Cote, 


Hees, 


McPhillips, 


Pugh, 


Crouse, 


Hodgson, 


Maltais, 


Rapp, 


Diefenbaker, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Mandziuk, 


Ricard, 


Dinsdale, 


Horner (Jasper- 


Marcoux, 


Robinson, 


Dionne, 


Edson), 


Martineau, 


Rondeau, 


Doucett, 


Horner (The 


Millar, 


Rowe, 


English, 


Battlefords), 


Monteith, 


Roy, 


Enns, 


Howe, 


Moore, 


Rynard, 


Fairclough (Mrs.)» 


Jones, 


More, 


Sams, 


Fairweather, 


Jorgenson, 


Morris, 


Sevigny, 


Fane, 


Kennedy, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Simpson, 


Fleming (Eglinton), 


Kindt, 


North and 


Skoreyko, 


Fleming (Okanagan 


-Korchinski, 


Victoria), 


Slogan, 


Revelstoke), 


Langlois, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Smallwood, 


Flemming (Victoria- "Laprise, 


Nasserden, 


Smith (Calgary 


Carleton), 


Leboe, 


Nesbitt, 


South), 


Forbes, 


Legere, 


Nielsen, 


Smith (Simcoe 


Frenette, 


Letourneau, 


Noble, 


North), 


Fulton, 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Nowlan, 


Southam, 


Gagnon, 


MacEwan, 


Nugent, 


Starr, 


Gauthier, 


MacLean (Queens), 


O 'Hurley, 


Stefanson, 


Grafftey, 


Macquarrie, 


Olson, 


Stenson, 


Green, 


MacRae, 


Ormiston, 


Thomas, 


Gregoire, 


McBain, 


Ouellet, 


Thompson, 


Grills, 


McCleave, 


Pascoe, 


Valade, 


Gundlock, 


McDonald 


Patterson, 


Vincent, 


Hales, 


(Hamilton 


Paul, 


Webb, 


Halpenny, 


South), 


Perron, 


Weichel, 


Hamilton, 


McGee, 


Phillips, 


Winkler— 137. 



5S 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the 
Department of National Revenue containing Statements relative to Customs- 
Excise Revenue and Other Services by Ports; Excise and Income of Canada, 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 5 of the Department 
of National Revenue Act, chapter 75, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), — Report of the Eastern Rockies 
Forest Conservation Board for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 10 of the Eastern Rocky Mountain Forest Conservation Act, chapter 59, 
Statutes of Canada, 1947. 

By Mr. Harkness, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
Actuarial Examination of the Canadian Forces Superannuation Account 
{jormerly Permanent Services Pension Account) in the Consolidated Revenue 
Fund for the five-year period ended December 31, 1960, pursuant to section 25 
of the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, chapter 21, Statutes of Canada, 
1959. 

By Mr. Martineau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report with 
respect to Operations under the Coal Production Assistance Act for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 173, 
R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1959. 



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By Mr. Martineau, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, 
— Report on the Administration of the Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 10 of the said Act, 
chapter 95, R.S.C., 1952. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 10th OCTOBER, 1962 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable Senators Aseltine, Cameron, Davies, Fergusson, Fournier (De 
Lanaudiere), Gladstone, Gouin, Haig, Irvine, Lambert, Macdonald (Cape 
Breton), MacDonald (Queens), O'Leary (Antigonish-Guyshorough), Pouliot, 
Reid and Vien have been appointed a Committee to assist the Honourable 
the Speaker in the direction of the Library of Parliament, so far as the inter- 
ests of the Senate are concerned, and to act on behalf of the Senate as 
Members of a Joint Committee of both Houses on the said Library. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable Senators Beaubien (Bedford), Blais, Bouffard, Bradley, Choquette, 
Comeau, Davies, Grosart, Isnor, McGrand, Pearson, Reid, Savoie, Smith 
(Kamloops), Stambaugh, Thorvaldson, Turgeon, Welch and Wood have been 
appointed a Committee to superintend the printing of the Senate during the 
present Session and to act on behalf of the Senate as Members of a Joint 
Committee of both Houses on the subject of the Printing of Parliament. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable the Speaker, the Honourable Senators Beaubien (Provencher) , 
Fergusson, Inman, Macdonald (Cape Breton), McLean and Reid have been 
appointed a Committee to direct the management of the Restaurant of Parlia- 
ment, so far as the interests of the Senate are concerned, and to act on behalf 
of the Senate as Members of a Joint Committee of both Houses on the said 
Restaurant. 
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58 -. HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Mr. Valade, seconded by Mr. McDonald (Hamilton South), by leave of 
the House, introduced Bill C-56, an Act to amend the Criminal Code (Provin- 
cial Lotteries), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Chaplin, 
seconded by Mr. Vincent, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Canada Council, including the Auditor-General's Report on the Financial 
Statements of the Council, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 23 of the Canada Council Act, chapter 3, Statutes of Canada, 1957. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Churchill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Atomic Energy Control Board of Canada for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 21(1) of the Atomic Energy Control Act, chapter 11, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Churchill, — Report of Atomic Energy of Canada Limited, includ- 
ing its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for 
the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report by the 
Tariff Board, dated April 13, 1962, relative to the Investigation ordered by 
the Minister of Finance respecting Tableware and Glassware for Decorating — 
Reference No. 129, (English and French), together with a copy of the transcript 
of the evidence presented at public hearings, pursuant to section 6 of the 
Tariff Board Act, chapter 261, R.S.C., 1952. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 11th OCTOBER 59 

No. 10 

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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 11th OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Eight petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Brewin, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-57, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Capital Punishment), which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-58, An Act to amend the Carriage by Air Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-59, An Act to approve an Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the Province of Ontario respecting Public Harbours, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Mr. Hees, seconded by Mr. Monteith, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Export Credits 
Insurance Act to increase from two hundred million dollars to four hundred 
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million dollars the limit of the liability of the Export Credits Insurance Cor- 
poration under contracts of insurance entered into under section 21 of the Act; 
and to provide further for certain changes in connection with the administra- 
tion of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Monteith, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Aeronautics 
Act to authorize the Minister of Transport to establish boards of inquiry to 
investigate aircraft accidents, to give such boards the necessary power to 
carry out their functions and to provide for the expenses of witnesses appear- 
ing before these boards, and to provide further for certain changes in connec- 
tion with the administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Chaplin, 
seconded by Mr. Vincent, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor-General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General George P. Vanier, Companion of the 
Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the Military 
Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor-General and Commander- 
in-Chief of Canada. 



May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; at 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38(5); 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to on the 
following division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Belzile, 


Chaplin, 


Diefenbaker, 


Alkenbrack, 


Bernier, 


Chatterton, 


Dinsdale, 


Balcer, 


Bigg, 


Chown, 


Dionne, 


Baldwin, 


Bourbonnais, 


Churchill, 


Doucett, 


Baskin, 


Boutin, 


Clancy, 


Dumont, 


Beaule, 


Bradley, 


Coates, 


English, 


Belanger, 


Cadieu, 


Cook, 


Enns, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Caouette, 


Cooper, 


Fairclough (Mrs.) 


Bell (Saint John- 


Cardiff, 


Cote, 


Fairweather, 


Albert), 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Grouse, 


Fane, 



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61 



Fleming (Eglinton), 
Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Frenette, 
Gagnon, 
Gauthier, 
Grafftey, 
Green, 
Gregoire, 
Grills, 
Gundlock, 
Hales, 
Halpenny, 
Hamilton, 
Hanbidge, 
Harkness, 
Hees, 
Hodgson, 
Horner (Acadia), 
Horner (The 

Battlefords), 
Howe, 
Jones, 



Jorgenson, 

Kennedy, 

Kindt, 

Langlois, 

Laprise, 

Latulippe, 

Leboe, 

Legere, 

Lessard (Lac-Saint- 
Jean), 

Letourneau, 

Macdonald (Mrs.), 

MacEwan, 

MacLean (Queens), 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

McCleave, 

McDonald 

(Hamilton South), 

McGee, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McPhillips, 

Maltais, 

Mandziuk, 



Marcoux, 
Martineau, 
Millar, 
Monteith, 
Moore, 
More, 
Morris, 

Muir (Cape Breton 
North and 
Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasser den, 
Nesbitt, 
Nielsen, 
Noble, 
Nowlan, 
Nugent, 
O'Hurley, 
Ormiston, 
Ouellet, 
Pascoe, 
Patterson, 
Paul, 
Perron, 
Phillips, 
Pigeon, 



Plourde, 

Pugh, 

Rapp, 

Ricard, 

Robinson, 

Rondeau, 

Rowe, 

Roy, 

Sams, 

Sevigny, 

Simpson, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Smith (Simcoe North), 

South am, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Thompson, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Webb, 

Weichel, 

Winkler— 136. 



Nays 



Messrs: 



Addison, 


Clunis, 


Knowles, 


Orlikow, 


Argue, 


Cowan, 


Lachance, 


Otto, 


Asselin, 


Crestohl, 


Laing, 


Pearson, 


Badanai, 


Grossman, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pennell, 


Barnett, 


Davis, 


Lamoureux, 


Peters, 


Batten, 


Denis, 


Laniel, 


Pickersgill, 


Bechard, 


Drouin, 


Legare, 


Pilon, 


Beer, 


Drury, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Prittie, 


Benidickson, 


Dube, 


Henri), 


Richard, 


Benson, 


Dupuis, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Berger, 


Ethier, 


Macdonald 


Rinfret, 


Boucher, 


Eudes, 


(Rosedale), 


Robichaud, 


Boulanger, 


Fisher, 


MacEachen, 


Rochon, 


B our que. 


Forgie, 


Maclnnis, 


Rock, 


Brewin, 


Foy, 


Mackasey, 


Rouleau, 


Burgess, 


Garland, 


Mcllraith, 


Roxburgh, 


Byrne, 


Godin, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Ryan, 


Cadieux, 


Gordon, 


McMillan, 


Sauve, 


Cameron 


Granger, 


McNulty, 


Scott, 


(High Park), 


Gray, 


McWilliam, 


Stewart, 


Cameron (Nanaimo-Habel, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Tardif, 


Cowichan-The 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Teillet, 


Islands), 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Mather, 


Tucker, 


Cantin, 


Harley, 


Matheson, 


Turner, 


Car din. 


• Hellyer, 


Matte, 


Wahn, 


Caron, 


Herridge, 


Mitchell, 


Walker, 


Carter, 


Honey, 


Munro, 


Webster, 


Chevrier, 


Howard, 


Nicholson, 


Whelan— 108. 


Clermont, 









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On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, it was ordered 
that the said Address be engrossed and presented to His Excellency the 
Governor General by such Members of this House as are of the Honourable 
the Privy Council. 



On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, it was resolved, — 
That this House will, at its next sitting, resolve itself into a Committee to 
consider of the Supply to be granted to Her Majesty. 



On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, it was resolved, — 
That this House will, at its next sitting, resolve itself into a Committee to 
consider of the Ways and Means for raising the Supply to be granted to 
Her Majesty. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Wharf Revenue Receipts and Statement of Harbour Dues for the year ended 
March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 14 of the Government Harbours and Piers 
Act, chapter 135, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hamilton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Minister of Agriculture 
for Canada for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 6 of the 
Department of Agriculture Act, chapter 66, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 10.18 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 11 

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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 12th OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by- 
Mr. Churchill, it was resolved, — That a Special Committee be appointed to 
prepare and report, with all convenient speed, the lists of Members to compose 
the Standing Committees of this House; the said Committee to be composed 
of Messrs. Churchill, Habel, Knowles, Marcoux, Pickersgill, and Ricard, and 
that the provisions of Standing Order 65(1) be suspended in relation to the 
number of Members thereon. 



Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Press Release, dated August 29, 1962, issued by the delegates of the 
United States and Canadian Governments following two days of discussions 
at Ottawa on the present and future problems confronting the North American 
Softwood Lumber Industries. (English and French). 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Cardin for Mr. Deschatelets, seconded by 
Mr. Habel, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-60, An Act to amend the 
Railway Act, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-61, An Act to amend the Annual Vacations Act, which was read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



64 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-62, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Absentee 
Voting), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a 
certain proposed resolution to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
Export Credits Insurance Act to increase from two hundred million dollars 
to four hundred million dollars the limit of the liability of the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation under contracts of insurance entered into under section 
21 of the Act; and to provide further for certain changes in connection with 
the administration of the Act. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

Mr. Hees, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-63, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 

[At 5.00 o'clock v.vfi., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'\ 

(Public Bills) 

Orders No. 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-9, An Act to amend 
the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, with respect to the Readjust- 
ment of Representation in the House of Commons; 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednes- 
day, October 10, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 12th OCTOBER 65 

By Mr. Hamilton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
Agreements made under the Agricultural Products Co-operative Marketing 
Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the said Act, 
chapter 5, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Monteith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
Expenditures and Administration in connection with the Family Allowances 
Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 14 of the said Act, 
chapter 109, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Monteith, — Report of Expenditures and Administration in con- 
nection with the Old Age Security Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 12 of the said Act, chapter 200, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

First Report of the Clerk of the Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: — 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on October 11, meet the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

Wasyl Kushnir and seventeen others, all of the City of Winnipeg, Mani- 
toba, for an Act to incorporate Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras 
Shevchenko. — Mr. Mandziuk. 

John Getgood and three others, all of the City of Calgary, Alberta, and 
Charles F. Scott of the City of Ottawa, Ontario, for an Act to incorporate 
Pacific Transmission Company. — Mr. Smith (Calgary South). 

The North American General Insurance Company for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "The North American General Insurance Com- 
pany" and/or the name "La Nord Americaine, Compagnie d'Assurances 
Generales". — Mr. Turner, 

William E. Drayton, of the City of Montreal, Quebec, and two others, for 
an Act to incorporate "The Christian Brothers of Ireland in Canada". — 
Mr. Morris. 

Canadian Pacific Railway Company, for an Act authorizing the construc- 
tion of 15.5 miles of railway in the vicinity of Bredenbury, Saskatchewan. — 
Mr. Ormiston. 

The Trustee Board of The Presbyterian Church in Canada and The 
Executive of the Administrative Council of The Presbyterian Church in Canada 
for an Act to amend the Act of Incorporation of The Trustee Board of the 
said Church. — Mr. Mcllraith. 

John Cameron Turnbull, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, and two others, 
for an Act to incorporate "The Pharmacy Examining Board of Canada". — 
Mr. Mitchell. 

Second Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: — 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, presented on October 11, meets the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

The Eastern Trust Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, either the 
name "The Eastern Trust Company" and/or the name "Le Trust de I'Est 
Canadien". — Mr. Morris. 



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At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 15th OCTOBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 



Two hundred and twenty petitions for Private Bills were presented in 
accordance with Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Hamilton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Form of the General Agreement under the Agricultural Rehabilitation 
and Development Act between the Governments of Canada and of the Provinces 
as approved by Order in Council P.C. 1962-1291, dated September 14, 1962. 
(English and French). 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 2, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Are any departments of the federal government making surveys or 
studies of the effects upon animals, fish, and birds of insecticide spraying and, 
if so, what departments are making such surveys or studies? 

2. What results have been obtained from such surveys or studies, and 
are there available any reports or documents containing such results? 

3. What powers are possessed by the government for the control or 
regulation of insecticide spraying, and in what ways, and to what extent, 
are such powers being used? 



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Question No. 3, by Mr. Herridge, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What are the names, annual salaries, and expenses of the superintendent 
and administrative staff of Revelstoke National Park for the fiscal year 
1960-1961? 

2. Were houses built for the superintendent and administrative staff; and, 
if so (a) what is their number (b) what is the average size in floor space 
(c) what was their average cost per square foot of floor space (d) what was 
the cost of landscaping per house (e) what was the cost in the fiscal year 
1960-1961 of providing for each house: (i) oil {ii) coal {Hi) wood {iv) gas {v) 
light and water? (Answers for (b) to (e) are required broken down into 
(I) superintendent (2) other administrative staff). 

3. What is the size of the paving blocks from the superintendent's house 
to the street, and what was the cost per block? 

4. How many passenger cars and other vehicles were used by the superm- 
tendent and staff in Revelstoke Park in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

5. What was the cost of operation per vehicle in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

6. What were the regulations for use of vehicles by the staff in off-duty 
hours in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

7. What was the inventory of the road and other machinery located and 
used at Revelstoke Park in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

8. What was the cost of repairs and fuel for these vehicles for operation 
of the machinery during the fiscal year 1960-61? 

9. Have any of the park employees been employed on projects undertaken 
by contracts in the fiscal year 1960-61? 



Question No. 9, by Mr. Herridge, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Have any requests been received from the Jamaican government for in- 
creased Canadian investment in Jamaica and, if so, what answer has been given, 
and what encouragement, if any, has the government offered to private in- 
vestors? 



* Question No. 11, by Mr. Herridge, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Was an alleged air defence exercise held on Labour Day, September 3, 1962, 
and, if so, (a) why was this date chosen (b) have any protests been received 
concerning the choice of the date or about the exercise itself and, if so, (i) from 
whom (ii) what was their nature (Hi) what were the government's replies (c) 
what was the strength of the exercise attack force in (i) bombers, real or 
simulated (ii) simulated ICBMs (Hi) simulated missiles fired from submarines 
(d) how many simulated bombs, ICBMs, and submarine missiles were reckoned 
to have (i) exploded on target (ii) exploded off target (Hi) been destroyed 
without harm to North America? 



Question No. 15, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Are any Cabinet Ministers directors of any companies, corporations, 
etc., and, if so, which Ministers, of what companies or corporations are they 
directors, and at what date were any directorships presently held by such 
Cabinet Ministers assumed? 

2. Have any Cabinet Ministers resigned any directorships since being 
sworn of the Privy Council and, if so, which Ministers, on what dates, and 
from what companies or corporations? 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 15th OCTOBER 69 

Question No. 17, by Mr. Macnaughton, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What is the annual wage bill for all hospital employees in Canada 
(a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals? 

2. What is the total number of employees working in hospitals in Canada 
(a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals? 

3. What is the number of employees per bed working in hospitals in 
Canada (a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals? 

4. What was the estimated amount being spent in 1959, 1960, and 1961, 
on the construction of hospitals (a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals; and, 
how much of this was contributed by the federal government? 

5. How does the average hourly rate for general employees in hospitals 
compare with the average hourly rate in the transportation industry, the 
primary and secondary industries? 

6. What is the comparison of wages paid to (a) nurses (b) social workers 
(c) psychologists (d) nursing assistants (e) cleaners (f) kitchen staff, in 
federal hospitals as compared with community hospitals? 

* Question No. 20, by Mr. Maclnnis, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Did the Federal Government of Canada offer any financial assistance 
to Hawker-Siddeley of Canada Limited, or to any of its branches or subsidiaries, 
with a view to the company continuing further operations at No. 16 colliery 
in New Waterford and, if so, what was the amount of the assistance offered 
by the government to this corporation? 

^Question No. 21, by Mr. Maclnnis, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Did representatives of Hawker-Siddeley of Canada Limited, or repre- 
sentatives of any subsidiary or branch of this corporation, ask the Government 
of Canada for financial assistance in order to forestall the recent closure of No. 
16 colliery in New Waterford and, if so, how much assistance was the company 
seeking from the Federal Government? 

*Question No. 27, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Has the Minister of Transport or any other Minister made any public 
statements since April 19, 1962, on the subject of an amalgamation or co- 
working Trans-Canada Air Lines and Canadian Pacific Air Lines and, if so, 
when, where, and to what general effect? 

Question No. 37, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Since June 18, 1962, how many construction projects have been (a) can- 
celled, or (b) postponed, by the federal government, or by any department or 
agency thereof? 

2. Where was each such project to have been constructed? What was the 
estimated cost of each such project? 

3. Have any construction projects which were cancelled or postponed sub- 
sequent to June 18, 1962, been reinstated? If so, which ones, what is their loca- 
tion, and their estimated cost? 

*Question No. 51, by Mr. Chevrier, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many deep sea vessels flying the British Flag are still owned by 
Canadian residents? 

2. Are these ships considered as a Canadian contribution to any allied ship- 
ping pool arrangement that may be set up in an emergency? 



70 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

3. How many of these vessels have been trading between ports of the Soviet 
Union and Cuba? 

4. Do the owners of these ships or any Companies owning them pay income 
tax to the Federal Treasury? 

* Question No. 63, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Have the City of Montreal, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and 
the Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation accepted the plan for the 
CBC buildings to be erected in Montreal between Papineau, Dorchester, Craig, 
and Amherst Streets? 

2. Was the said plan submitted to the government, and on what date? 

3. Will the proprietors, tenants, merchants, and industrialists of this area 
be informed in the near future of the government's decision with respect 
thereto? 

4. What period of time will be given to the residents of this area for 
eviction purposes? 

*Question No. 69, by Mr. MacEachen, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Has a pay increase been authorized for employees at Cape Breton 
Highlands Park and at the National Park at Louisbourg? 

2. If so, what is (a) the new rate (b) the former rate, for each classifica- 
tion for which an increase was authorized? 

3. What accounts for the difference, if any, in the increase authorized for 
the employees as between the two parks? 

Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

* Question No. 71, by Mr. McMillan, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What were the total costs to the Federal Treasury for the Dawson City 
Festival mcluding (a) grants to the festival (b) the cost of reconstruction 
and renovation of all such buildings as the mortuary, two old saloons, and 
Arizona Charlie's Palace Grand, and (c) all other federal expenses connected 
with the festival, including the cost of the dedication ceremonies, etc.? 

2. Did the Governments of the Northwest Territories and the Yukon 
Territory make any contributions in connection with the preparation and 
holding of the festival? If so, how much? 



The following Question No. 73 in the name of Mr. Caouette having been 
called: 1. What were the revenues of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation 
in 1961-62? 

2. What has been the cost to the country of the CBC for 1961-62? 

3. What is being done by the Corporation to remove the socialists and 
the like-minded persons from the control of the government-owned radio and 
television service? 

4. Who is responsible for the control of the government- owned network? 

5. Who is the chairman or governor of the CBC? What is his annual 
salary? 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

In regard to this question, on October 4 the honourable Member for Port 
Arthur (Mr. Fisher), raised a point as to whether it was properly worded. 
We need not go into what was said on that date except to say that the con- 



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elusion was reached that I would reserve opinion as to the validity of the 
assertion of the honourable Member for Port Arthur, and what might be done 
to remove a question, which might be found offensive or improper, from the 
Order Paper because at that time I did not feel it was within the powers of the 
Speaker to order that a question either remain on the Order Paper or be 
removed from it. 

It would appear that the honourable Member for Port Arthur raised his 
question of order on two points, first that part 3 of the question was an asser- 
tion of an alleged fact or of opinion, and secondly that the assertion might 
offend the usages, traditions and proprieties of this House. A quick glance at 
the Notice Paper would indicate that many of the questions therein include 
assertions of fact, stated either implicitly or explicitly. Standing Order 39, 
paragraph ( 1 ) , clearly provides for the use of facts in any question. There may 
be some doubt as to any objections on the grounds of the statement of an 
alleged fact. However, there then comes the question of opinion and there is a 
very fine line of division here. In any event, even if it were opinion and there- 
fore contrary to the Orders of this House, I think it is quite readily understood 
and has been a practice that a question could be redrafted in a minor way, or 
in a major way if need be, so as to conform; therefore the question need not 
fall to the ground, necessarily, and be removed from the Order Paper on that 
ground. 

But to me there is a much more fundamental point involved here. That 
is the second objection raised by the honourable Member, as to whether this 
question offends the proprieties or the traditions of this House since it deals 
with a question of political persuasions, principles or philosophy of a public 
servant. It would appear that none of the authorities, namely Bourinot, Beau- 
chesne or May deals specifically with such a question, nor by diligent search 
by the Speaker or his officers has it been possible to find a definite ruling by 
any Speaker in regard thereto. But I find that in the absence of any known 
precedent for such a question, and having regard to the principle that a 
person's political convictions, persuasions or philosophy is a private matter 
which ordinarily is outside the administrative responsibility of the government 
or of any governmental corporation or body, and to the further principle that 
such political convictions, principles, persuasions or philosophy of any public 
servant is not a question of public concern or of official knowledge unless and 
until that person participates actively and publicly in a political organization, 
therefore it is my opinion that the substance of part 3 of Question No. 73 is not 
in line with the usages and traditions of this House. 

I would refer honourable Members to page 313 of Bourinot's Fourth 
Edition, where it is stated as follows: "If an irregularity should escape the 
attention of the Clerks at the Table, the Speaker will point it out before the 
question is called, and the Member is then generally permitted to put the 
question when he has struck out any objectionable words." 

Beauchesne's Fourth Edition, citation 172, is also applicable but I do not 
think it is necessary at this stage to read it. 

I may also raise this point later this day when certain other questions 
may come before the House. It is my ruling that part 3 of Question No. 73 
should be deleted, and the remainder of the question may be answered as the 
Honourable Minister may deem fit. 



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The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 

*Question No. 77, by Mr. Prittie, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Does the Federal Government spend money directly or indirectly on 
research into the causes of and cures for alcoholism? 

2. If so, what agencies receive these moneys, and what amounts were allo- 
cated for this purpose in 1960, 1961 and 1962? 

Question No. 78, by Mr. Mather, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Since June 17, 1962, what construction projects have been (a) cancelled, or 
(b) postponed, in New Westminster Constituency areas including Langley, Sur- 
rey and Delta Municipalities, New Westminster, Langley and White Rock Cities; 
and, what is the estimated cost of the (a) cancelled or (b) postponed projects? 

*Question No. 90, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. How many persons who were candidates in the federal election of 
June 18th, 1962, and were defeated, have since that date been appointed by the 
federal government to positions to which emoluments are attached? 

2. What are the names of all such persons? 

3. What are their positions, and what are their emoluments? 

* Question No. 108, by Mr. Herridge, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Was there a meeting in Ottawa in the summer of 1962 concerning 
the disposal of radioactive wastes, including disposal in the ocean and, if so, 
what were its findings? 

2. Has the government considered the report of the ad hoc panel of the 
International Atomic Energy Agency with regard to disposal of radioactive 
wastes? 

3. Has the government any knowledge as to whether any dumping of 
radioactive wastes has taken place at a dumping site 150 to 200 miles South 
of Yarmouth during 1960 or to date and, if so, is this site still considered a 
possible dumping area by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission? 

4. Has the government any knowledge of the official views of Britain, 
France, and the USSR with regard to disposal of radioactive wastes in the 
ocean and, if so, what are they? 

* Question No. 114, by Mr. Cook, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What stage has been reached in the negotiations towards making Canadian 
lumbermen, who have worked in the State of Maine, eligible for unemploy- 
ment insurance benefits when they are out of work? 

Mr. Hales, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, presented, 
— ^Return to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 120, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Has the government received any requests for information or assistance 
from the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee or one of its sub-committees 
about the operations in Canada of Mr. George M. Humphrey in the mining and 
metal industry or about any of the companies operating in Canada with which 
Mr. Humphrey is associated as an official or director? 

2. If so, what response has it made? 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 15th OCTOBER 73 

Question No. 123, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What steps, if any, has the government taken to develop, in the various 
arms of the Canadian military, a trained and equipped force to battle forest fires 
in Canada? 

2. In brief form, what are the requirements in terms of request and serious- 
ness of the situation before such a force is brought into action? 

3. What system of cost- sharing or payment has been worked out to cover 
the use of such a force within a provincial jurisdiction? 

*Question No. 132, by Mr. Cote, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What is the amount borrowed by the Canadian Government since June 18, 
1962, including Treasury bills, bond issues, loans from commercial banks and 
sources outside Canada, together with the average interest rate? 

Mr. Grafftey, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



* Question No. 136, by Mr. Pennell, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What has been the total storage cost for butter oil and/or butter stock 
in (a) 1958 (b) 1959 (c) 1960 (d) 1961 (e) 1962? 

Question No. 148, by Mr. Barnett, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Is any economic assistance to the countries of South America being 
provided by the Government of Canada, either directly or indirectly, through 
agencies of the United Nations or otherwise? 

2. If so, to what countries is this economic assistance being provided, in 
what amounts, and for what periods? 

3. Through what department or departments of the federal government 
is any such assistance being provided? 

4. If assistance is being provided indirectly through agencies of the 
United Nations or otherwise, through what agencies, to what countries, and 
in what amounts? 

5. If assistance is being provided for specific projects, what are those 
projects and for the benefit of what countries? 

*Question No. 156, by Mr. Laprise, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Did the Department of National Defence pay the full cost of the one 
mile paving and sewer construction on Main and St. Andrew Streets in the 
municipality of Parent, which was awarded to Paquin Construction Company 
Limited, of Val d'Or, Quebec, during 1959? 

2. If not, what percentage of the cost was paid by the Department, and 
who was responsible for payment of the remainder? 

3. Have any claims been received by the Department from any resident 
of Parent for damages caused by the installation of the sewer? 

Mr. Sevigny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



*Question No. 162, by Mr. Lewis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. When did Mr. A. S. Whiteley first join the Civil Service and in what 
capacity, and what positions did he hold from that date until appointed a 
member of the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, with particular refer- 



74 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

ence to his services in connection with the Price Spreads Inquiry, the Royal 
Commission on the Textile Industry, the Combines Investigation Commission, 
and the Wartime Prices and Trade Board? 

2. Has Mr. A. S. Whiteley represented Canada at any international 
conferences or other meetings and, more particularly, in connection with 
restrictive business or trade practices, and, if so, what were such conferences 
or meetings and the dates thereof? 

Mr. Bell (Saint John-Albert) , Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister 
of Justice, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



*Question No. 163, by Mr. Addison, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Has the government or any of its officials engaged in discussion with the 
United States Government with respect to the possible effect of the United 
States Trade Expansion Act on Canadian trade and, if so, what Canadian 
officials have taken part and when were these discussions held? 

Question No. 174, by Mr. Mather, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. In connection with the import of fruits and vegetables from the United 
States into British Columbia, what volume in millions of pounds of the 
following produce was imported during 1961 and to date in 1962: (a) apples 
(fresh) (b) peaches (fresh) (c) tomatoes (fresh) (d) strawberries (fresh) 
(e) carrots (f) onions (g) potatoes (h) tomatoes (canned)? 

2. How many processing and canning plants in the Okanagan area of 
British Columbia in the past ten years have been bought out by United States 
firms and closed down? 

Question No. 175, by Mr. Can tin, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What quantities of grains have been exported through each of the 
harbours of Vancouver-New Westminster, Victoria, Prince Rupert, Churchill, 
Fort William-Port Arthur, Toronto, Kingston, Montreal, Sorel, Trois-Rivieres, 
Quebec, Bale Comeau, Saint John, West Saint John, and Halifax, for the crop 
year 1960-61 for (a) wheat (b) oats (c) barley (d) rye (e) flax (/) total? 

2. What quantities of the above grains have been delivered for domestic 
use, during each of the eleven crop years from 1950-51 to 1960-61 inclusive 
(a) in each of the said harbours (b) in each of the other places in Canada not 
included above? 

Question No. 204, by Mr. McWilliam, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Have any employees of the different departments of government and 
Crown companies been temporarily laid off or dismissed since June 1, 1962, 
and, if so, what number in each department, and in each Crown corporation? 

* Question No. 218, by Mr. Pickersgill, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Was any decision made before June 18, 1962, to reduce any of the 
regular Estimates for the fiscal year 1962-63 laid before the last Parliament and, 
if so, on what date was such a decision made, and what total sum was involved? 

2. Was the National Research Council asked to make any reduction in its 
Estimates? 

* Question No. 220, by Mr. Ouellet, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What is the annual cost of all our armed forces serving in Canada and 
outside Canada? 



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2. What annual amount is paid for pensions to veterans of the First World 
War, and to widows and dependants of servicemen of the Second World War? 

Question No. 222, by Mr. Ouellet, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What is the amount of the gross national debt? 

2. What is the amount owed by the provinces? 

3. What is the amount owed by the Canadian cities and municipalities? 

4. What is the amount owed by all the school boards of this country? 

5. What is the amount owed by the private individuals of this country to 
the finance corporations? 

Question No. 225, by Mr. Robichaud, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. As of March 31, 1962, in Gloucester County, N.B. (a) what was the 
total number of persons receiving Social Assistance benefits (b) what was 
the total number of recipients of Unemployment Insurance benefits (c) what 
was the total number of persons registered as unemployed? 

2. As of August 31, 1962, in Gloucester County, N.B. (a) what was the 
total number of persons receiving Social Assistance benefits (b) what was the 
total number of recipients of Unemployment Insurance benefits (c) what was 
the total number of persons registered as unemployed? 

Question No. 228, by Mr. Clermont, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. In 1962, what have been, each month, the quantities purchased and 
sold by the government of (a) whole milk in powder form (b) butter 
(c) cheese? 

2. For 1962, have any gifts of dairy products been made to UNICEF or 
to other welfare groups and, if so (a) what are those products (b) in what 
quantities? 

Question No. 231, by Mr. Clermont, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Since June 30, 1958, has the Government of the Province of Quebec 
made any agreements providing for joint forestry programs with the Depart- 
ment of Forestry, the Department of Agriculture, or the Department of Northern 
Affairs and National Resources and, if so, what are those joint programs, and 
what amounts have been paid to the Province with respect thereto? 

Question No. 232, by Mr. Clermont, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: During the first nine months of the years 1961 and 1962 (a) what has 
been the production of butter in Canada (b) what has been the consumption 
of butter (c) what amount of premium has the government paid on the said 
consumption? 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-63, An Act to amend 
the Export Credits Insurance Act; 

Mr. Hees, seconded by Mr. Monteith, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Prittie, moved in amendment thereto, — That 
the motion be amended by striking out all the words after the word "That" 
and by substituting therefor the following words: "this House declines to 
Droceed with Bill C-63 because its terms do not include an extension of the 



76 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

assistance to the governments of other countries provided in section 23 of the 
Export Credits Insurance Act." 

And a point of order having been raised as to the admissibility of the said 
amendment: 



I At 5.00 o'clock p.m. J Private Members* Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(3)'\ 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 1 having been called for the first time was allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



Mr. Dumont, seconded by Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint-Jean), moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, consideration should be given to the advisability 
of extending the jurisdiction of the Canadian Wheat Board to include the 
marketing and transportation of wheat for the Eastern provinces as well as for 
the Western provinces so as to allow a uniform price inside and outside of 
Canada. — (Notice of Motion No. 2). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the point of order as to the admissibility of the 
amendment proposed by Mr. Scott to the motion for the second reading of 
Bill C-63, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act. 

After further debate; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

I wish to thank honourable Members for having advanced arguments in 
this connection. First of all, in order to dispose of the argument raised by the 
honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) in citing a 
ruling by His Honour Speaker Michener on May 12, 1959. I would draw to the 
honourable Member's attention a certain distinction which the Speaker at that 
time indicated was very germane to the nature of the amendment then before 
him. 

I read from page 427 of the 1959 Journals — the second last paragraph on 
the page. The first sentence reads: *lt is a resolution declaratory of an adverse 
principle to the main principle of the bill". This is not applicable in my estima- 
tion in this instance. That would therefore dispose of the precedent as not 
being applicable. 

Considering this question generally, it is competent for a Member on 
second reading of a bill who desires to place on record any special reasons for 
not agreeing to the second reading of a bill to move as an amendment to the 
question a resolution declaratory of some principle adverse to, or differing 
from the principles, policy or provisions of the bill, or expressing opinions as 
to any circumstances connected with its introduction or prosecution or other- 
wise opposed to its progress. I suggest that this amendment is not one adverse 
to a principle of the bill — but is one otherwise opposed to its progress or seek- 
ing information on its progress. Those words are generally contained in 
Beauchesne's Fourth Edition, citation 382. I would point out to honourable 



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Members that it is a fundamental principle that no matter ought to be raised 
in a debate on a question which would be irrelevant if moved as an amend- 
ment, and that an amendment cannot be used for importing arguments which 
would be irrelevant to the main question. In this regard I would refer honour- 
able Members to May's Sixteenth Edition at page 421. Again, citing May, at 
page 531, I quote: "The principle of relevancy in an amendment governs every 
such motion. The amendment must 'strictly relate to the bill which the House, 
by its order, has resolved upon considering'." 

The proposed amendment clearly states that it has reference to section 23 
of the main Act. 

No provision can be found in the bill before the House which is related 
to that section. Accordingly, if the provisions of section 23 of the Act can be 
brought before the House by virtue of an amendment, I would submit that 
other sections of the main Act could also be brought forward in the same 
fashion. Therefore, I would submit that the amendment does not oppose any 
principle or provision of the bill; in other words, the subject-matter of the 
proposal is a substantive motion and an entirely new question unrelated to the 
bill before us. In the present instance I do not consider this amendment relevant 
to the bill being discussed; it is rather relevant to the Act itself. But at the 
moment I respectfully submit that we are not discussing the Act; we are 
discussing Bill C-63. 

It is my opinion that the rule of relevancy is completely disregarded. If 
every bill that was discussed by this House was subject to amendments of 
this type which could stipulate that the bill did not contain enough and should 
contain something else, then there would be no relevancy at all. 

In this connection I would refer honourable Members to a ruling by 
Mr. Speaker Macdonald, reported at page 237 of the Journals under the date 
of November 14, 1949. He said: "On the second reading of an amending bill. . . 
it is the principle of the amending bill, and not the principle of the Act to be 
amended, which is the 'business under consideration'. The discussion must 
therefore relate exclusively to the principle of the amending bill." May I add 
that here, where we are referring to "discussion", we also include "amend- 
ments", which must relate exclusively to the principle of the amending bill. 

In addition, if I may cite a ruling of Mr. Speaker Michener on December 
13, 1957, while the House was considering a motion for the second reading of 
Bill No. 232, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, the then Speaker, as 
reported at page 2313 of Hansard, said: "This is an Act to amend the Income 
Tax Act and it is relevant, as I understand the precedents, to discuss the 
sections of the Income Tax Act which are to be amended by this bill but not 
to review the Act as a whole." 

With the greatest respect to the mover and seconder of this amendment, 
I am of the opinion that that would be the purpose of their amendment and 
that it is irrelevant, and I so rule. 



After further debate, the question being put on the main motion, — That 
Bill C-63, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act, be now read a 
second time; it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report on the Administration of Part I of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police 
Superannuation Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 25 
of the said Act, chapter 34, Statutes of Canada, 1959. 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1962-1457, dated October 12, 1962, authorizing, under section 21 of the 
said Act, a contract of insurance by the Export Credits Insurance Corporation 
for the sale by Canadair Limited, Montreal, of CL-44D-4 aircraft plus spare 
parts to Seaboard World Airlines, Inc., New York, N.Y., U.S.A., pursuant to 
section 21b of the Export Credits Insurance Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as 
amended 1960-61. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 16th OCTOBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: Before calling the Orders of the Day, I would crave the 
indulgence of honourable Members in order to permit me to make a statement 
which I indicated on Friday last I would make today, namely a statement 
of what I consider to be the guideposts on the subject of questions generally 
and on oral questions on Orders of the Day in particular. I would immediately 
point out that this is in no way a ruling but rather a statement. I find that 
over the past 20 years or more each of my predecessors as Speaker has taken 
this step I am now taking at least once, and some of them a number of times, 
during his term of office. 

The problem of oral questions on Orders of the Day is not a new one 
and honourable Members will see some of the reasons why as we examine the 
problem. As there are a number of honourable Members who were Members 
of this House in 1940, perhaps I could quote from some observations by the 
then Prime Minister, Mr. Mackenzie King, as they appear in Hansard for 
July 12, 1940, commencing at page 1569. I quote: "It is not, as I understand 
the rules, the right of honourable Members to interrogate the Ministry upon 
all kinds of matters without advance notice and without following, wherever 
possible, the other rules that are laid down for the seeking and obtaining of 
information. The rules of the House do provide several means whereby infor- 
mation may be obtained, and of course the rule most generally availed of is 
the one with respect to handing questions in to the Clerk, or having placed on 
the Order Paper Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers. By our rules 
the asking of questions of the Ministry on the Orders of the Day is limited to 
a certain class of questions, those which cannot be answered effectively in the 
other way." 



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He further indicated he felt the Speaker of the day should make a state- 
ment in this regard. Mr. Speaker Glen on July 15, 1940, as reported on page 
1596 of Hansard, went into the question at some length and, after reading 
Standing Order 44, comparable to our Standing Order 39 of today, had this 
to say: "If the Standing Order was strictly interpreted, it is obvious that a 
very large proportion of the oral questions asked before Orders of the Day are 
called would be out of order. In fact. Members have not exercised sufficiently 
their rights under Standing Order 44, but have too frequently endeavoured to 
seek information on the Orders of the Day being called." 

He went on further to say on pages 1596 and 1597: "To sum up: There is 
only one Standing Order governing questions seeking information from 
Ministers of the Crown. It is Standing Order 44, which provides that such ques- 
tions may be marked with an asterisk if oral answers are required. Forty-eight 
hours' notice must be given of these questions, which must be laid on the 
Table of the House before six o'clock and printed in the Votes and Proceedings. 
On the Orders of the Day being called. Members may ask Ministers to explain 
certain matters in accordance with the practice expounded by Bourinot and 
sanctioned by usage. It is not done under the authority of a Standing Order, 
and therefore such questions may be either permitted or disallowed by the 
Speaker, who must judge each case on its merits." 

And further: "It seems to me manifestly unfair to compel Ministers to 
answer questions on important matters without an opportunity of consulting 
their chief officers; and it would be arbitrary to deprive Private Members 
of the privilege of putting certain questions of immediate urgency on the 
Orders of the Day being called. The principle on which the practice has been 
tolerated in past years should be respected, that is, the reading of long series 
of questions elaborately prepared is not to be allowed on the Orders of the 
Day being called." 

Again, on March 15, 1943, as reported at pages 1233 and 1234 of Hansard, 
Mr. Speaker Glen had this to say: "As long as our Standing Orders are un- 
changed, the only questions permitted on the Orders of the Day being called 
must be confined to very urgent matters, personal explanations, inaccurate 
reports of speeches delivered in the House, denial of charges, dilatoriness in 
obtaining returns, or other similar matters closely connected with the routine 
business of the House. These questions must be brief and must not be prefaced 
by any argument. Standing Order 44 gives Members ample opportunity to 
place on the Order Paper any number of questions they desire with respect 
to public affairs. Reading telegrams, letters or extracts from newspapers as 
an opening to a question when the Orders of the Day are called is an abuse 
of the rules of the House. It is not good parliamentary practice to communicate 
written allegations to the House and then to ask Ministers either to confirm 
or to deny them. It is the Member's duty to ascertain the truth of any state- 
ment before he brings it to the attention of Parliament. This has been decided 
long ago in the United Kingdom House of Commons. On June 14, 1882, Mr. 
Speaker Brand, in preventing a Member from reading a telegram from a 
newspaper and founding a question on it, pointed out the extreme incon- 
venience of founding questions on every telegram in every newspaper. *I am 
bound to say,' he added, 'that it does appear to me that before questions of 
such gravity are put, an honourable Member should take some measures to 
ascertain the truth of the telegram.' This quotation is from Denison's and 
Brand's Decisions, page 230.'* 

Mr. Speaker Glen concluded as follows: "I feel it is my duty to explain 
to the House the procedure with regard to questions, and I hope that in applying 
it I shall have the co-operation of all Members of the House." 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 16th OCTOBER 81 

On September 11, 1945, page 66 of Hansard, Mr. Speaker Fauteux had 
this to say briefly after citing Beauchesne's Third Edition: "Honourable 
Members will notice that the rules say that questions are allowed by courtesy 
in connection with the business of the House or with very urgent and impor- 
tant matters of public concern. I would like to call for the co-operation ofi 
every Member and ask them not to put oral questions when they are not very 
urgent. It would be preferable for the dispatch of business that questions be 
placed on the Order Paper." 

Coming to more recent years, on May 29, 1951, as reported in Hansard, 
page 3494, Mr. Speaker Macdonald referred to the procedure regarding the 
asking of questions and he referred honourable Members to Standing Order 44. 
I quote: "It has nevertheless been the practice in our House to allow a certain 
number of oral questions, and it is not my purpose to discourage Members 
from asking questions of the proper type, as I feel that these questions create 
a more lively interest in the business of the House. These oral questions are 
asked when the Orders of the Day are called, and are frequently asked without 
notice. I would, however, emphasize that these oral questions should be asked 
only in connection with very urgent and important matters of public concern, 
and only if it would not be in the public interest to place them on the Order 
Paper and receive answers in accordance with the method provided for in 
the Standing Orders. They should always be brief. No debate is permitted, 
and the reply should be as concise as possible. The questions should not be 
prefaced by the reading of letters, telegrams, newspaper extracts or preambles 
of any kind. See Beauchesne's Third Edition, paragraph 297, 298." 

On March 16, 1956, Mr. Speaker Beaudoin, as reported on page 2206 to 
2210 of Hansard and the Journals of the House of Commons, Volume C, at 
pages 299 and those following, went into the whole question most exhaustively. 
He reviewed the statements of the previous Speakers, including some of those 
which I have given to honourable Members and then cited from other sources 
of authority such as Beauchesne, Bourinot, and May as well as articles pub- 
lished by the Hansard Society. Without appearing at all to lecture honourable 
Members in a pedagogic way, I would suggest that this particular statement 
by Mr. Speaker Beaudoin may be made prescribed reading for Members, as 
well as others who would comment upon the proceedings of this House. 
The statement came relatively shortly after Standing Orders had been changed 
and adopted by the House in 1955 following many years of study. There are 
many honourable Members on both sides of this House who were Members of 
the House of Commons in 1955 and who participated in the revision of the 
Standing Orders and, with the adoption of the Standing Orders, I may presume 
them to have concurred therein. 

I am resisting a grave temptation to quote most extensively from this 
lengthy statement and I trust that honourable Members will bear with me 
while I make certain references to it. In some respects the situation today may 
resemble that which prevailed some six years ago: "I want to tell honourable 
Members that I think that between their conception of what should be asked 
at question time and mine there is now such a wide difference that I am afraid 
we are not pulling in the same direction. I think it is well for me to establish 
the position which I consider is the one which is now in force. I will not quote 
all these citations but I will refer honourable Members to the following ones — ". 

Then he enumerates them from Beauchesne. He refers them to Bourinofs 
Fourth Edition and goes on and cites particularly No. 140 in Beauchesne's Third 
Edition, which is as follows: "A question which could be inserted on the Order 
Paper is not allowed on the Orders of the Day being called." 

Incidentally, citation 140 is now 173, subparagraph (2). 
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82 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

"Then citation 297: A certain number of oral questions are permitted in 
practice by Members, without notice, before the Orders of the Day are called; 
but these are merely allowed by courtesy in connection with the business of the 
House or with very urgent and important matters of public concern. They are 
always brief, no debate being permitted, and the replies are as concise as pos- 
sible. The Minister interrogated may reply at once or may direct that the usual 
notice be given. Such questions are governed by the same rules of order as 
questions of which notice has been given." 

Then Mr. Speaker Beaudoin comments: "In other words, if a question could 
not be inserted on the Order Paper, a Member cannot ask it before the Orders 
of the Day are called." 

There follows some detailed discussion and interpretation of various cita- 
tions in Beauchesne, which I do not think it is necessary to deal with at this 
time, but in case this statement should be misunderstood in regard to citation 
203 of the Third Edition of Beauchesne, which is now citation 178 of the Fourth 
Edition, it must be noted that Mr. Speaker Beaudoin subsequently corrected 
himself on May 7, 1956, as reported in volume 4 of Hansard at pages 3619 and 
3620. Mr. Speaker Beaudoin then continued, at the foot of page 2207 of Hansard: 
"I hope that honourable Members will read carefully all the citations I have 
given and I feel confident that they will do so knowing their interest in the 
matter. They will see that not only has it been the opinion of Prime Ministers 
but also of Leaders of the Opposition when they have occupied one side or the 
other during their careers, that questions before the Orders of the Day are 
called should be limited to questions of an urgent and important character and 
should be asked on the Orders of the Day only if they could not be placed on 
the Order Paper without some prejudice being suffered. 

"I said earlier that honourable Members are moving in a direction which is 
contrary to that which I understand to be the right one because as honourable 
Members know the rules are not being changed by the Speaker. If honourable 
Members wish that the rules be changed, there is a proper method to be adopted 
and that is to have a Committee on Rules, have the matter decided, and have a 
report made to the House. Were I to receive such a report, I can assure you that 
I would try to interpret the new rules as faithfully as I could. As it is, honour- 
able Members are trying to move in the direction of having a question period 
which is almost similar to that which exists in the United Kingdom without 
adopting the proper safeguards and without giving more authority to the 
Speaker to intervene whenever he feels that a question is not in order and also 
without adopting the method of giving notice which is in vogue in the United 
Kingdom." 

He then went on to compare the practice which prevails in the United King- 
dom, which is quite instructive. I cannot resist reference to a citation made by 
Mr. Speaker Beaudoin from a commentary on "Question Time in Canada" 
appearing in an article of the Hansard Society, where the author has this to say: 
"In Canada, the complexity of the question procedure and its lack of definitive- 
ness usually results in an annual altercation on the floor of the House." 

I think honourable Members who have been here for some time may be 
witness to that. Then he says: "Habitually, Mr. Speaker makes a short state- 
ment—". 

And, as Mr. Speaker Beaudoin does, I apologize for making mine quite so 
long: " — during the early stages of the Parliamentary Session to remind the 
Members of the differences between the two procedures to be outlined below. 
The Speaker tries to discourage the use of too many questions being asked on 
the Orders of the Day being called." 

Even closer to the present day, I would with respect refer to two state- 
ments made by my immediate predecessor, Mr. Speaker Michener, on October 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 16th OCTOBER 3^ 

17, 1957, at page 63 of Hansard (Vol. I, 1957-58) in which the then Speaker 
referred honourable Members directly to the lengthy statement by his immedi- 
ate predecessor, Mr. Speaker Beaudoin, and it is my opinion that Mr. Speaker 
Michener adopted the words of Mr. Speaker Beaudoin. 

Again on February 26, 1959, at page 1393 of Hansard, Mr. Speaker Mich- 
ener on an occasion similar to this, prior to calling Orders of the Day, made a 
statement as to the interpretation of the practice of this House on oral questions 
for the edification of honourable Members, and without wishing to enter into 
debate with anyone within or without this House who may feel that I am 
endeavouring to introduce changes in the rules or interpretations of the rules 
concerning oral questions, may I quote the principles applicable to oral questions 
as enumerated briefly by Mr. Speaker Michener: "1. The question should seek 
information or press for action on a matter relating to public affairs of such 
immediate urgency that it would be inappropriate to put it on the Order Paper. 

"2. Both the question and the answer should be concise, factual and free of 
opinion and argument or observations which might lead to debate. 

"3. An explanation can be sought regarding the intention of the govern- 
ment but not an explanation of opinion upon matters of policy. That is citation 
178 of Beauchesne's Fourth Edition. 

"4. Other detailed limitations, some 40 in number, are set out in citation 
171 of Beauchesne's Fourth Edition, which was cited yesterday, and apply to 
oral questions as well as to written questions. 

"5. Supplementary questions are matters of grace. 

"6. The Minister is entitled to notice, and answers cannot be insisted on 
nor is it regular to comment on the refusal to answer an oral question. 

"I may say this principle relates to oral questions and perhaps not to ques- 
tions on the Order Paper." 

I apologize to honourable Members for the length of this statement which, 
if I had yielded to temptation, could have been much longer; but I felt it was 
necessary to trace an historical pattern to events which have taken place within 
the actual memory of a goodly number of honourable Members in this House. 
Unfortunately human memory may sometimes fail or impressions may get 
blurred of events even not too distant in the past, but the Journals of this House 
and the records of debates indicate faithfully what was actually said. I leave 
it to honourable Members to judge my submission that there is an easily dis- 
cernible line of interpretation over the years, but one must refresh one's memory 
from time to time to clearly set out and see that line of interpretation. 

I do not propose to enter into a lengthy philosophical dissertation on the 
role of the Speaker, his duties have been described much better by others 
on many occasions. I would subscribe wholeheartedly to those definitions. 
I believe the Speaker should be the impartial arbiter of the rules as they 
exist for him and for the House in the Standing Orders, in the decisions 
of his predecessors, and in the decisions of this House aided by the persua- 
sive authority of the commentaries such as Beauchesne, Bourinot, May, and 
others. The Speaker is the servant of the House in so far as it makes rules 
for the conduct of its affairs, and I conceive it would be a grave dereliction 
of duty for the Speaker to put these rules aside consciously in response to 
either whim or expediency. But if the rules exist for the Speaker to interpret, 
they also exist for honourable Members to observe. It is not the sole 

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duty of the Speaker to preserve order, or the traditions and dignity of this 
House, or to protect Members from unconscionable actions; I would submit 
that there is an equal duty on all Members to do likewise. May I express the 
situation in another way which may be more graphic? The rule book does 
not exist only for the hockey referee, or the football referee, or the umpire 
in baseball, nor are these officials the only ones who should know the book 
of rules; the players themselves, if they are going to do their jobs properly, 
must not only know the rules well but must observe them. 

I do not conceive the role of Speaker to be that of a police constable 
on a beat in a more notorious section of a large metropolitan city whose 
principal task is to be on constant alert against wrong doings and where 
the conduct of most of the residents may be suspect. Nor do I conceive 
it to be that of a mere teller of names, a sort of gatekeeper for honourable 
Members who may wish to ask questions or engage in debate governed 
by the rules of this House to the extent only that the whim or the expediency 
of the moment may dictate. I recognize that these are extreme positions. 

As I have indicated previously, and as has been indicated by previous 
Speakers, I have my rules as embodied in Standing Orders, decisions of this 
House, decisions of previous Speakers, and the persuasive authority of the 
commentaries. Honourable Members expect me to enforce these rules, yet as 
was said by Mr. Speaker Beaudoin: "It would appear that honourable mem- 
bers are pulling in the direction of the practice which exists in the United 
Kingdom under different rules." If the present rules do not satisfy the hon- 
ourable Members of this House, then I have no objection if they wish to 
go in different directions, but I cannot agree that I can go along with them 
while following the rules which are given to me. If the rules should be changed, 
then I respectfully suggest that honourable Members know what procedure 
to take under the rules as they now exist. 

May I add that many of the questions being posed on Orders of the Day 
would be unacceptable as to form for printing on the Notice Paper. In a large 
percentage of such cases, Members would be requested to rephrase or redraft 
their notices before they could be accepted under the terms of Standing Order 
39, section (1). 

In conclusion, briefly stated, it would appear that it has been the consensus 
of opinion of all Speakers that questions asked on Orders of the Day should 
comply with two basic requirements: 

1. The form of those questions is governed by the terms of Standing Order 
39 section (1) which provides in part that in putting a question no argument or 
opinion is to be offered, nor any facts stated except so far as may be necessary 
to explain the question. 

2. Such questions should be offered only in connection with urgent and 
important matters of public concern when, because of immediacy, the regular 
procedure relating to questions cannot be utilized for the purpose of eliciting 
the desired information or for bringing a matter of urgency to the attention 
of the Ministry. 

The terms of section (1.) of Standing Order 39 are comparatively clear, 
and if the Chair could depend on the co-operation from all sides of the House 
not only as to the nature of questions but also as to the nature of replies, 
there would be little trouble, in my humble opinion, in controlling questions 
on Orders of the Day. 

I would respectfully submit this statement for the consideration of 
honourable Members. 



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TUESDAY, 16th OCTOBER 



85 



Mr. Grafftey, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, laid 
before the House, — Composite Conformed Copy of five separate Purchase 
Agreements, each dated September 24, 1962, providing for Sale of $250,000,000 
Aggregate Principal Amount of Twenty-five Year External 5% Bonds due 
October 15, 1987. (Reference: Answer to part 2 of Question No. 38 by Mr. 
Gordon, Hansard page 495, October 15, 1962). 



Bill C-63, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act, was again 
considered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

Objection being taken in Committee to the decision of the Chairman (Mr. 
Chown) on a point of order, and an appeal being made to the House; 

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair, and the Chairman of the Committee made 
the following Report: — 

"In Committee of the Whole, when clause 3 of Bill C-63, An Act to amend 
the Export Credits Insurance Act, was being considered, the honourable Mem- 
ber for Danforth (Mr. Scott) moved in amendment the following: 

"That subclause (1) of clause (3) be amended by adding to subsection 
(2) of section 21a, as that subsection is thereby substituted, the following 
paragraph: 

*(/) for the purpose of assisting in the development of other countries, 
lend money to the government of any other country, or its agent, upon 
such terms as to interest, if any, and repayment and other terms and 
conditions as will best fulfil the true intent and spirit of this paragraph.' 

"I ruled the amendment out of order as being irrelevant in that it pur- 
ported to extend the fundamental provisions of the bill and also that it probably 
infringed the financial initiative of the Crown. 

"Whereupon the honourable Member for Danforth appealed to the House 
from the ruling of the Chair." 

The question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the ruling of the Chairman 
be confirmed?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Addison, 


Belzile, 


Cardiff, 


Crestohl, 


Aiken, 


Benson, 


Cardin, 


Grossman, 


Alkenbrack, 


Bemier, 


Caron, 


Grouse, 


Argue, 


Bigg, 


Carter, 


Denis, 


Asselin, 


Boulanger, 


Cashin, 


Diefenbaker, 


Badanai, 


Bourbonnais, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Dinsdale, 


Balcer, 


Bourque, 


Chaplin, 


Drouin, 


Baldwin, 


Boutin, 


Chevrier, 


Drury, 


Baskin, 


Bradley, 


ChurchiU, 


Dumont, 


Batten, 


Brown, 


Clancy, 


Dupuis, 


Bechard, 


Byrne, 


Clermont, 


English, 


Beer, 


Cadieu, 


Clunis, 


Enns, 


Belanger, 


Cadieux, 


Cook, 


Ethier, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Cameron 


Cooper, 


Fairclough (Mrs.), 


Bell (Saint John- 


(High Park), 


Cote, 


Fairweather, 


Albert), 


Cantin, 


Cowan, 


Fane, 



86 



Fleming (Eglinton), 
Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke) , 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Forgie, 
Foy, 

Frenette, 
Gagnon, 
Garland, 
Gauthier, 
Godin, 
Gordon, 
Grafftey, 
Granger, 
Gray, 
Green, 
Gregoire, 
Grills, 
Gundlock, 
Habel, 
Haidasz, 
Hales, 
Halpenny, 
Hamilton, 
Hanbidge, 
Hardie (Mrs.), 
Harkness, 
Harley, 
Hees, 
Hellyer, 
Hodgson, 
Honey, 

Horner (Acadia), 
Horner (The 

Battlefords), 
Howe, 
Jorgenson, 



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Kennedy, 

Kindt, 

Korchinski, 

Lachance, 

Laing, 

LaMarsh (Miss), 

Lamoureux, 

Lamy, 

Langlois, 

Laniel, 

Laprise, 

Latulippe, 

Leboe, 

Legare, 

Legere, 

Lessard (Lac-Saint- 
Jean), 

Letourneau, 

Loiselle, 

Macdonald (Mrs.), 

Macdonald 
(Rosedale), 

MacEachen, 

MacEwan, 

Mackasey, 

MacLean (Queens), 

Macnaughton, 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

McCleave, 

McDonald 
(Hamilton 
South), 

McGee, 

McGrath, 

Mcllraith, 

Mcintosh, 

McMillan, 



McNulty, 
McPhillips, 
McWilliam, 
Maltais, 
Mandziuk, 
Martin (Essex East), 
Martineau, 
Matheson, 
Matte, 
Millar, 
Mitchell, 
Monteith, 
Moore, 
More, 

Muir (Cape Breton 
North and 
Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nicholson, 
Nielsen, 
Nowlan, 
Nugent, 
O'Hurley, 
Ormiston, 
Ouellet, 
Pascoe, 
Patterson, 
Paul, 
Pennell, 
Perron, 
Phillips, 
Pickersgill, 
Pilon, 
Plourde, 
Pugh, 
Rapp, 
Ricard, 



Nays 
Messrs: 



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Richard, 

Rideout, 

Rinfret, 

Robichaud, 

Robinson, 

Rock, 

Rouleau, 

Roxburgh, 

Roy, 

Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Sams, 

Sevigny, 

Simpson, 

Skoreyko, 

Smallwood, 

Smith (Calgary 

South), 
Smith (Simcoe 

North), 
Southam, 
Starr, 
Stefanson, 
Stenson, 
Stewart, 
Thomas, 
Thompson, 
Tucker, 
Turner, 
Valade, 
Vincent, 
Wahn, 
Walker, 
Webb, 
Weichel, 
Whelan, 
Winkler, 
Woolliams — 206. 



I 



Bamett, Herridge, 


Lewis, 


Orlikow, 


Berger, Howard, 


Maclnnis, 


Peters, 


Brewin, Knowles, 


Mather, 


Brittle, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 




Scott— 14. 


Cowichan-The 






Islands), 







[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)'\ 



(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-7, An Act to amend 
the Bankruptcy Act (Wage Earners' Assignments) ; 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Lewis, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 16th OCTOBER 87 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill 
C-63, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act, which was reported 
without amendment, read the third time and passed. 

The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Farm Credit Act, and progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement 
showing the lands sold for which transfers have been issued by the Canadian 
Pacific Railway Company during the year ended September 30, 1962, pursuant 
to section 8 of An Act further to amend An Act respecting the Canadian 
Pacific Railway, chapter 9, Statutes of Canada, 1886. 

Third Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: — 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on October 15th by Mr. Mandziuk, meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Margaret Ellynore MacDougall Abbott, wife of Ernest Kitson Abbott of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Carmen Lister Abrams, wife of Theodore Martin Abrams of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Dorothy Irene Marjorie Hunt Adams, wife of Merrill Karn Adams of 
St. John, Quebec. 

Agnes Blumenthal Agai, wife of Nicolas Agai of Montreal, Quebec. 

Demetre Almyriotis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Evanthia Stamelos 
Almyriotis. 

Betty Szlukier Ankhelyi, wife of Gyorgy (George) Ankhelyi of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Anne Marie Perrozzino Asselin, wife of Roger Asselin of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Sylvia Taliercio Aucoin, wife of John Charles Aucoin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Denise Vezeau Bachelder, wife of Stanley John Arthur Bachelder of 
Rougemont, Quebec. 

Sonja Swerzowa Bagry, wife of Ignaz Bagry of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alma Ivy Trineer Bankley, wife of Gordon Lloyd Bankley of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Percy Beauvais of City of St, Laurent, Quebec, husband of Mary Letitia 
McKenzie Beauvais. 

Paul Aime Bedard of the Province of Quebec, husband of Jean Shirley 
Yvonne Carter Bedard. 



88 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Jacqueline Dumontet Belanger, wife of Marcel Belanger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jeannie Kozak Belchik, wife of Paul Belchik of Montreal, Quebec. 

Aranka Ilona Paris Berendy, wife of Bela Julius Berendy of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gladys Ethel Sarah Baker Bergeron, wife of Philip Joseph Bergeron of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Guy Bertrand of City of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Colombe Grondin 
Bertrand. 

June Grafton Blickstead, wife of Ralph Blickstead of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kenneth Allen Blight of St. Eustache sur-le-Lac, Quebec, husband of 
Iris Maureen Barnett Blight. 

Gizella Ethel Nagy Bogoly, wife of Louis Bogoly, Junior of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Simonne Michele Mona Routier Bouchard, wife of Jacques Bouchard of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine 
Theriault Bougie. 

James Robert Breslin of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Mary Leona 
Beaudoin Breslin. 

Shirley Anderson Brimacombe, wife of Irving Brimacombe of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Klara Ary Brody, wife of Otto Brody of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marjorie McEachern Brown, wife of Arnold Galbraith Brown of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Wilma Gloria Hill Bryson, wife of Lloyd George Bryson of Lachute, 
Quebec. 

Gerhard Hermann Bucholz of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ingrid 
Koenig Bucholz. 

Alexander Burke of Pointe-aux-Trembles, Quebec, husband of Emeran- 
tienne St-Pierre Burke. 

Olga Antonina Safian Burkousky, wife of Joseph Marion Burkousky of 
Lachine, Quebec. 

Lorraine Bastien Burt, wife of Harold Edmund Burt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Bruce Reid Campbell of Westmount, Quebec, husband of June Ethel PhyUis 
Barton Campbell. 

Judith Elizabeth Stacey Caron, wife of Norman Michael Caron of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Nicholas Cimbru Chambers of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Germaine 
Leclerc Chambers. 

Robert Charles Chapman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Jane 
GrifRn Chapman. 

Rosemary Beatrice Overett Clare, wife of Derek Clare of Outremont, 
Quebec. 

Alice Elizabeth Newman Clarke, wife of Warren Clarke of Ville LeMoyne, 
Quebec. 

Anita Duguay Cleri, wife of Vinicio Cleri of Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverly Hayden Forman Crerar, wife of Colin Douglas Crerar of Beacons- 
field, Quebec. 



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Josephine Mary Holmes Croll, wife of Donald Edmund Croll of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Sylvia Lipson Dankner, wife of Philip Dankner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Florence Patricia Finucane Da Silva, wife of Aubrey Terrence Da Silva of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Fortin Decelles of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Simonne Letour- 
neau Decelles. 

Giuseppe de Cristofaro of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Brigide Roy de 
Cristofaro. 

Elsie Jean Oakley Delisle, wife of Leo Roger Delisle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alexandra Pantzaras Deliyannakis, wife of Nicolas Deliyannakis of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Gladys Jean Assaf Desjardins, wife of Joseph Julien Leopold Desjardins of 
Ste. Therese, Quebec. 

Hilda Copley Desjardins, wife of Joseph Real Robert Desjardins of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Anita Margaret Steele d'Esterre, wife of Robert Duncan d'Esterre of Bea- 
consfield, Quebec. 

Margaret Joan Parkinson Digby, wife of George Arnold Digby of Ville St. 
Michel, Quebec. 

Patricia Beverley Lang Dimeo, wife of Alexander Hough Dimeo of Montreal 
West, Quebec. 

John Donaldson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Evelyn Mahaffey Donald- 
son. 

Jean Helen Wales Donnan, wife of James Stewart Donnan of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Brigitte Seidel Dophide, wife of Wilfrid Dophide of City of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

Louise Lamarre Doyle, wife of John Harold Doyle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Hazel Weir Durocher, wife of Georges Durocher of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rose Gratton Duval, wife of Aurele Duval of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rosemary Louise Di Gravina Eakins, wife of Peter Russell Eakins of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

William Rankin Edmondson of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband of 
Marjorie Beryl Blodgett Edmondson. 

Joseph Arthur Norman William Edwards of Lasalle, Quebec, husband of 
Muriel Joyce Bray Edwards. 

Ruth Ilona Mickley Elkin, wife of Sidney Elkin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Leonard Emond of Repentigny, Quebec, husband of Bella Savard Emond. 

Joyce Ethel Martin Empey, wife of John Franklyn Empey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean Alexandria MacPhail Etheridge, wife of Kenneth Charles Etheridge 
of St-Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 

John Faucher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marion Gardner Faucher. 

Robert Fleischer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Agnes Pataki Fleischer. 

Mary Iris Neil Fournier, wife of Jean Jacques Fournier of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alethea Arnold Fowler, wife of Irwin Fowler of Baldwins Mills, Quebec. 

Haia (Clara) Weissman Fuchsman, wife of losif (Josif) Fuchsman of Cha- 
teauguay Gardens, Quebec. 
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90 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Margaret Elaine Arthur Gallagher, wife of Raymond Hugh Gallagher of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Herve Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carmen Sicard Gauthier. 

Rosaire Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Deane Auclair Gauthier. 

Therese Lambert Genest, wife of Claude Genest of Westmount, Quebec. 

Nicole Marie Pineau Geoffroy, wife of Bernard Marcel Geoffroy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Mary Yvonne Agarand Giguere, wife of Claude Giguere of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie Emilia Rolande Bernier Gittens, wife of Kenneth Fitzgerald Gittens 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lucille Issenman Goresky, wife of Irving Goresky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nancy Ruth Romaniuk Grabina, wife of Jerry Grabina of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Catherine Mildred Fogarty Gray, wife of Joseph George Robert Gray of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Albert Greensell, wife of Remi Greensell of Montreal, Quebec. 
Barbara Gladys George Gregory, wife of Marshall Donald Ward Gregory 
of Lake Selby, Quebec. 

Wilhelmina Morrison Grundy, wife of George William Grundy of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Madeleine Francoise Patenaude Hankowski, wife of Jan Paul Hankowski 
of the Province of Quebec. 

John Harman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ann Frogley Harman. 

Robert Harrison of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Jeanette Nolan Har- 
rison. 

Doris Sibyl Jane Godsell Hassall, wife of Frederick James Hassall of Ver- 
dun, Quebec. 

Rene Hebert of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carmen Labrecque Hebert. 

Felix Hollinger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Adeline Ruskin Hollinger. 

Dorothy Doreen Bertram Howell, wife of William Alfred Howell of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Nadia-Anne Lucyshyn Hruszij, wife of Mycola Hruszij of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lillian Florence Catherine Kaye Hurst, wife of Douglas Charles Hurst of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Harry Hyman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rose Teresa Emond Hyman. 

Ion Ignatescu of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Saveta Palagian Ignatescu. 

Haidy Amalie Madelaine Vasesha Jack, wife of John Thomas Jack of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Rosa Degen Jacobson, wife of Michael Jacobson of Montreal, Quebec. 

Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Vittorina 
Bernardi Janicki. 

Marie Joan Patricia Romano Jeffries, wife of Joseph William Jeffries of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Christine Viger Johnson, wife of Harteny Lawrence Johnson of Valois, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis Carol Green Johnston, wife of William Johnston of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Colleen Ann Sheen Kenny, wife of William Harold Kenny, Junior of Ver- 
dun, Quebec. 



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A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 16th OCTOBER 91 

Margaret Anna Varga Kenwood, wife of Ronald Albert Kenwood of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elisabeth Ingrid 
Lopinski Kerlikowsky. 

Zelda Barbara Fine Kimberg, wife of Irving Noah Kimberg of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gabriela Meislova Kiwitt, wife of William Kiwitt of Beaurepaire, Quebec. 

Mildred Dishell Kligman, wife of Sam Kligman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anita Guido Lorencin Knezevic, wife of Zoran Mitar Knezevic of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Maureen Davies Knowles, wife of Geoffrey Arnold Knowles of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Anne Hanley Kotania, wife of Thaddeus Julian John Kotania of 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Jacobi Kovacs, wife of Lajos Louis 
Kovacs, also known as Kovac, of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Jeannette Hazlett Krautle, wife of Karl Otto Krautle of Arundel, 
Quebec. 

Joyce Irene Bernard Larocque, wife of Andrew Joseph Larocque of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Constance Valerie McKnight Laurie, wife of Norman Earl Laurie of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Paulyne Gagnon Leblanc, wife of Andre Leblanc of Montreal, Quebec. 
Guy Lefebvre of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine Bergeron 
Lefebvre. 

Violet Pearl St. James Kerr Lemoine, wife of Stanley Allen Lemoine of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Maria Jeney Lenkei, wife of Francois Ferenc Lenkei, also known as 
Leichtag, of Montreal, Quebec. 

Celia Mucznik Lesnik, wife of Borys Lesnik of Montreal, Quebec. 
Jean Gold Letovsky, wife of Louis Wolfe Letovsky of Dorval, Quebec. 

Ines Barbara Harari Levy, wife of Nessim (Nathan) Levy of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Ada Edwards Lewis, wife of Gilbert Stephen Lewis of City of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Joseph Antonio Benoit Jacques L'Heureux of Montreal, Quebec, husband 
of Marie Irene Jacqueline Cauvier L'Heureux. 

Marsha Mendelman Liberman, wife of Saul Liberman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sheila Izenberg Liebling, wife of Gilbert Liebling of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nathalie Katyk Longtin, wife of Claude Valois Longtin of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Dorothy Estelle Gibbons Lord, wife of Richard Leslie Michael Lord of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Karl-Heinz Hans Luedders of Laval des Rapides, Quebec, husband of 
Irene Antonie Otten Luedders. 

Frances Feldman Lyman, wife of Harvey Lyman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Phyllis Amber Manoah, wife of Yaacov Manoah of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edward Sidney Mansfield of Bois de Filion, Quebec, husband of Dorothea 
Lyon Innes Mansfield. 

Leonard Marchand (Mihalcean) of Pont-Viau, Quebec, husband of Gert- 
rude Emond Marchand. 

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Dawn Dorothea Armstrong Marsden, wife of Ross John Chambers Mars- 
den of St. Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 

Sandra Mary-Louise Deering Martin, wife of Wallace Martin of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Anna Luella Zacharias Matthews, wife of Ronald Rupert Matthews of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Ann Gall Maughan, wife of John Frederick Maughan of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Mildred Dawson Larmonth Meakins, wife of Jonathan Fayette Meakins of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Aleta (Maude) Barker Meerovitch, wife of Nathaniel Meerovitch of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Leslie Thomas Norval Modler of Cartierville, Quebec, husband of Nina 
Naomi March Modler. 

William Henry Monoghan of Hudson Heights, Quebec, husband of JoAnn 
Carol Brown Monaghan. 

Gladys Noreen Hill Monette, wife of John James Monette of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Harold Moreau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Dragon Moreau. 

Valerie Jean Arnott Morton, wife of John Ure Morton of Verdun, Quebec. 

Ruth Clark Moss, wife of Harry Moss, of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elsa Trolle Munch, wife of Arne Munch of Dorval, Quebec. 

Ann Marguerite Barnett MacDonald, wife of Russell Albert MacDonald 
of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Vera Irene Scott MacKenzie, wife of William George MacKenzie of La- 
chute, Quebec. 

Edith Rozel Dugan McDougall, wife of David McDougall of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Angus Mcintosh of Verdun, Quebec, husband of June Theresa Gearey 
Mcintosh. 

Ellen Chase Biggar McKellar, wife of Bruce McKellar of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sandra Elizabeth Haan McVety, wife of John A. McVety of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lajos (Louis) Nagy of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Ilonka Hajnal Nagy. 

Josephine (Rose) Tworeck Nawrocki, wife of Joseph John Nawrocki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Cynthia Beloff Nevitt, wife of Joshua Nevitt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Pawel Olejnick of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Bzik Olejnik. 

Jean Elizabeth Simmons O'Reilly, wife of Michael Walter O'Reilly of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Charles Harold Page of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carole Ann Gollan 
Page. 

Clara Edith Laszlo Papp, wife of Otto Papp of Montreal, Quebec. 

Virginia Ruth Baker Parmiter, wife of Douglas Parmiter of Ville LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Joan Mary Graham Pearson, wife of Richard Hammond Pearson of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Maureen Mary Mears Piercey, wife of William Frederick Piercey of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Madge Estelle Druce Pinkerton, wife of Robert Pinkerton of Ville Lemoyne, 
Quebec. 



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Eva Florence Eigen Plaskett, wife of Gordon Plaskett of Montreal, Quebec. 
Georgine Jun Plzak, wife of Bohumil Plzak of Sutton, Quebec. 
Evelyn Frances Jordan Rae, wife of Clifford Rae of Montreal, Quebec. 
Patricia Rose Sheen Rankin, wife of Allan Hugh Rankin of Verdun, Quebec. 
Susanne Markovits Reiner, wife of Charles Reiner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Monique Fournier Remy, wife of Edouard Remy of St-Marc-sur-Richelieu, 
Quebec. 

Real Richard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marcella Levesque Richard. 

Geraldine Ludgarde Pineault Romer, wife of Joseph Frank Romer of 
Chomedey South, Quebec. 

Marcelle Guedj Rosenberg, wife of Salomon Rosenberg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Isadore Rosenblatt of Montreal, husband of Sarah Molly Speevak Rosenblatt. 

Rebecca Rafalkes Rosenstrauss, wife of Eisig Rosenstrauss of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Irene Gargano Ross, wife of Stanley Ross of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nellie Rosen Rothman, wife of Charles Rothman of Westmount, Quebec. 

Gerda-Sascha Slosarczyk Rozwadowski, wife of Jerzy Rozwadowski of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Beverly Anne Bishop Runions, wife of Harold Kenneth Runions of Sher- 
brooke, Quebec. 

Kathleen Meades Ryan, wife of Albert George Ryan of Pointe St. Charles, 
Quebec. 

Jeannine Elizabeth Buchanan Sharpe, wife of Theodore Sharpe of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lorna Greenberg Scherzer, wife of Paul Scherzer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Theresa Keefe Sckyra, wife of Erwin Sckyra of Longueuil, Quebec. 

Joseph Maurice Sealy of Ville Jacques- Cartier, Quebec, husband of Clara 
Allan Godding Sealy. 

Blima (Wendy) Weitzman Shapiro, wife of Harry (Hirsh) Shapiro of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Ivy Elizabeth Jacques Sherry, wife of Henry Edward Sherry of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis White Siev, wife of Geoffrey Marshall Siev of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lloyd James Simpson of Ste. Anne de Bellevue, Quebec, husband of Hazel 
Weston Kindred Simpson. 

Marion Ruth Catherine Harding Slattery, wife of Edward Michael Slattery 
of Verdun, Quebec. 

Patricia Ann Nind Small, wife of Leonard Edward George Small of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Lillian Banks Small, wife of Richard William Small of Chateau- 
guay, Quebec. 

Ruby Rita Williams Smith, wife of John Michael Smith of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sylvia Bertha Schneider Spires, wife of John Joseph Spires of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Bertha Bromirska Staruch, wife of John Staruch of Montreal, Quebec. 



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Elizabeth Angela McMenamin Stirling, wife of Alexander Stirling of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Adele Kathleen Paquin Strachan, wife of Kenneth Alexander Strachan of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Leomay Marie Blanche Chouinard Chilco Stratton, wife of James Martin 
Stratton. 

Anna Elizabeth Bovingdon Strickland, wife of Edward John Strickland of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Hyman Omri Tannenbaum of Bale d'Urfe, Quebec, husband of Elsie Sarah 
Kirouac Tannenbaum. 

Marketa Langer Tata, wife of Saam Tata of Montreal, Quebec. 

Isadore Titleman of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marion Ganstil 
Titleman. 

Glen Stewart Small Tornay, wife of Edgar Tornay of Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Maron Trachtenberg (Tratt) wife of Arthur Trachtenberg (Tratt) 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doris Irene Moss Trerice, wife of Nelson Webster Trerice of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Milton Lawrence Trickey of Town of St. Constant, Quebec, husband of 
Myrtle Ramona Feltham Trickey. 

Irene Horianska Tyminski, v/ife of Tadeusz Tyminski of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lygery Papademetriou Varverikos, wife of Emmanuel Varverikos of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Stasys Vysniauskas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Zenta Bertulaite 
Vysniauskas. 

Linnea Erna Barbara Gussow Walker, wife of Henry Normand Walker of 
Bale d'Urfe, Quebec. 

Barbara Ann Tivy Wallace, wife of Kenneth William Wallace of St Lambert, 
Quebec. 

William Metcalfe Watt of Laval West, Quebec, husband of Rosemary Evelyn 
MacCartney Watt. 

Toni Anna Lydia Mogroby Weiss (Weisz), wife of Bernard Weiss (Weisz) 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anton Welte of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Christina Mayer Welte. 

Esther Sheps Wertheimer, wife of William Wertheimer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Miriam Fairbairn White, wife of Matthew White of Montreal, Quebec. 

James Richard Williamson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire Morin 
Williamson. 

Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Erna 
Margot Szlata Willis. 

Helena Jadwiga Igiel Vel Frankel Wodnicki, wife of Stanislaw Wodnicki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Sheila Callan Wolofsky, wife of Leib Wolofsky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Margaret Bennett Woolley, wife of Edward Brian Woolley of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Lily Heyes Worthington, wife of Ronald Worthington of Ville LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Rachela Landau Zimber, wife of Leo Zimber of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Alice Beswick Rinder, wife of Leonard Rinder of Quebec, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 16th OCTOBER 95 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — First Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Wasyl Kushnir and seventeen others, all of the City of Winnipeg, Mani- 
toba, for an Act to incorporate Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras 
Shevchenko. 

The North American General Insurance Company for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, the name *'The North American General Insurance Company'* 
and/or the name "La Nord Americaine, Compagnie d'Assurances Generales". 

Canadian Pacific Railway Company, for an Act authorizing the construc- 
tion of 15.5 miles of railway in the vicinity of Bredenbury. 

John Cameron TurnbuU, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, and two others, 
for an Act to incorporate "The Pharmacy Examining Board of Canada". 

The Eastern Trust Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, the name 
"The Eastern Trust Company" and/or the name "Le Trust de I'Est Canadien". 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 17th OCTOBER 97 

No. 14 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 17th OCTOBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Seventy-four petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance 
with Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-64, An Act to amend the Coal Production Assistance Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Balcer, moved, — That the House 
do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to present a measure respecting the Revised Statutes 
of Canada, thereby to establish a Commission to effect such revision and to 
authorize remuneration to be paid to certain assistants, officers, clerks and 
employees. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 57, by Mr. Brewin, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Since the coming into effect of the Immigration Regulations of February 



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1st, 1962, how many immigrants have been admitted to Canada under Section 31 
of the Regulations as persons who, by reason of their education, training, 
skills, or other special qualifications are likely to be able to establish them- 
selves successfully in Canada, and what was the nationality of persons admitted 
under this Section, and what was the nature of the education, training, skills, 
or other special qualifications required in such cases? 

Mr. McGee, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

* Question No. 187, by Mr. Marcoux, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What amount of taxes has been collected in 1961 by the federal 
government from the Quebec private power companies? 

2. What amounts are expected to be collected in 1962? 

3. What percentage of these amounts is given back to the Province of 
Quebec under the federal-provincial tax agreements? 

Question No. 188, by Mr. Bernier, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What is the quantity of butter held in storage at the present time? 

2. Where are storage warehouses located, what quantity is there in each 
warehouse, and what is the monthly rental and other cost for each such 
warehouse? 

3. Has a large quantity of butter been transformed into butter oil and, 
if so, how does the government intend to dispose of it? 

* Question No. 237, by Mr. Robichaud, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: What was the total number of persons registered for Unemployment 
Insurance benefits as of July 31, August 31, and September 30, 1962? 

Mr. Hales, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, presented, 
— ^Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 240, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. In respect of each of the National Parks of Canada (a) what is the 
name (b) when was it established (c) in what Province is it located (d) what 
has been the total capital investment (e) what has been the operating profit 
or loss in the years 1955 to present (/) how many: (i) vehicles (ii) persons, 
entered each of the National Parks in the years 1955 to the present? 

2. Have any negotiations taken place between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the Province of British Columbia towards establish- 
ment of a National Park on the Pacific Coast? 

Question No. 255, by Mr. Caouette, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: According to the latest reports available, how many registered unem- 
ployed are there (a) in Canada (b) in Quebec (c) in Rouyn-Noranda (d) in 
Val d'Or? 

Mr. Hales, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, presented, 
— ^Return to the foregoing Order. 

On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a return showing the total amount 
of election expenses on behalf of each candidate in the general election of 



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June 18, 1962, by constituencies, as indicated in the return respecting election 
expenses submitted by the official agent of each candidate, as required under 
the provisions of section 63 of the Canada Elections Act; and showing also the 
names of any candidates, by constituencies, on whose behalf election expense 
returns have not been submitted. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 1). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between 
the federal government, including any department, branch or directorate 
thereof, and drug companies, other governments and medical personnel or 
associations, dated since January 1, 1957, regarding the drug Thalidomide 
(or Kevadon), and also any memoranda or reports concerning the said drug 
in the possession of the government. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 2). 



On motion of Mr. Fane, seconded by Mr. Fleming (Okanagan-Revelstoke), 
it was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspon- 
dence and documents dealing with the Gold Rush Festival exchanged between 
the Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources or officials of his 
Department and the Chairman of the Gold Rush Festival Committee or the 
President of the Dawson City Festival Foundation. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 3). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Peters, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of the Report made by W. J. Morris 
of the University of Manitoba regarding a survey of conditions at the Red 
Lake Indian Reserve. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 4). 



On motion of Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Peters, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House copies of all correspondence, reports, etc. 
relating to the provision of airport services for Peterborough, Ontario, that 
have been exchanged between the government, including DOT and the Prime 
Minister's office, and any other persons or organizations since January 1, 1962. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 6). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 7, 9, 11, and 13) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Peters, it was ordered,^ — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, and any 
records of discussions, exchanged between the government or any Minister 
thereof and the Civil Service Federation of Canada, the Civil Service Associa- 
tion of Canada and the Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada, 
dated since June 18, 1962, regarding (a) pay increases in the public service, and 
(b) negotiating procedures and ways of resolving differences arising therefrom. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 10). 



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Mr. Turner, seconded by Mr. Pennell, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a copy of a table showing the changes in the official holdings 
of gold and foreign exchange, including United States dollars, held in the 
Exchange Fund Account and Bank of Canada and showing "the total amount 
of exchange delivered to the market from the sales of foreign exchange", day 
by day, from April 9 to June 24, 1962, inclusive. — {Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 12). 

And the question being proposed; 

The Honourable the Minister of Finance (Mr. Nowlan) stated that he 
desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the Order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), moved, — That an 
humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to 
be laid before this House a copy of the Minutes of all meetings of the National 
Productivity Council. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 14). 

And the question being proposed; 

The Honourable the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Hees) stated 
that he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Peters, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of the certificate, approved by 
the Minister of Justice and signed by the Deputy Minister of Justice, certifying 
that the Surcharge on Imports Order, P.C. 1962-902, dated June 24, 1962, was 
examined as required by the Canadian Bill of Rights, also for a copy of any 
report or memorandum attached to the said certificate or transmitted to the 
Clerk of the Privy Council, and also for a copy of the certified copy of the said 
Order, showing any signatures or initials thereon. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 15). 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House copies of correspondence or any docu- 
ments exchanged between the Prime Minister or the Minister of Finance or 
any other Minister of the Crown and officers of the Department of Justice or 
the Privy Council or any other government department or agency on the 
subject of Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-902, dated June 24, 1962, 
and the amendment to the Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-987, dated 
July 11, 1962, and the Import Control List as amended by P.C. 1962-903, dated 
June 24, 1962, with particular reference to the legality of such Orders. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 16). 



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And the question being proposed; 

The Honourable the Minister of Justice [Mr. Fleming (Eglinton)] stated 
that he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Peters, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all communications, dated since 
April 13, 1962, received by the Prime Minister, relating to the subject of 
pensions of employees and former employees of the Canadian National Rail- 
ways, and for a copy of the replies thereto of the Prime Minister. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 17). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all communications, dated 
since April 13, 1962, received by the Minister of Transport, relating to 
the subject of pensions of employees and former employees of the Canadian 
National Railways, and for a copy of the replies thereto of the Minister of 
Transport. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 18). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters, dated since August 9, 
1962, from the Minister of Justice to the Chairman and/or other Members of 
the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, and also a copy of all letters, 
since the same date, from the Chairman and/or other Members of the said 
Commission to the Minister of Justice. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 20). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all briefs, letters, and 
submissions presented to the government or any agency or branch thereof, 
since January 22, 1962, dealing with Bill C-38 of the fifth session of the twenty- 
fourth Parliament of Canada; namely, The Corporations and Labour Unions 
Returns Bill. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 21). 



On motion of Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
between the Minister of Justice and the Attorneys General or other provincial 
Ministers regarding the method of amending the Constitution of Canada, since 
April 2, 1962, when Sessional Paper 227 containing such correspondence up 
to that date was filed. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 22). 



The Orders of the Day having been called, the Honourable Member for 
Essex East (Mr. Martin) posed a question concerning the Director of the 
National Parks Branch, Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources. 



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Mr. Speaker ruled the question out of order in that it included an expres- 
sion of opinion and thereby contravened the provisions of section (1) of 
Standing Order 39. 

From this Ruling the Honourable Member for Essex East appealed to the 
House. 

And, the Members having been called in; 

Mr. Speaker reported that the question was an appeal to the House from 
the above Ruling. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: ''Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 

division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Fairweather, 


Leboe, 


O'Hurley, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fane, 


Legere, 


Orlikow, 


Balcer, 


Fisher, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


■ Ormiston, 


Baldwin, 


Fleming (Eglinton), 


Jean), 


Ouellet, 


Barnett, 


Fleming (Okanagar 


L-Letourneau, 


Pascoe, 


Baskin, 


Revelstoke), 


Lewis, 


Patterson, 


Beaul6, 


Flemming (Victoria- Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Paul, 


Belanger, 


Carleton), 


MacEwan, 


Perron, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Forbes, 


Maclnnis, 


Phillips, 


Bell (Saint John- 


Frenette, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Plourde, 


Albert), 


Fulton, 


Macquarrie, 


Prittie, 


Belzile, 


Gagnon, 


MacRae, 


Pugh, 


Berger, 


Gauthier, 


McBain, 


Rapp, 


Bemier, 


Grafltey, 


McCleave, 


Ricard, 


Bigg, 


Green, 


McDonald 


Robinson, 


Bourbonnais, 


Gregoire, 


(Hamilton 


Rondeau, 


Bradley, 


Grills, 


South), 


Roy, 


Brewin, 


Gundlock, 


McGee, 


Rynard, 


Cadieu, 


Hales, 


McGrath, 


Sams, 


Cameron (Nanaimo-Halpenny, 


Mcintosh, 


Scott, 


Cowichan-The 


Hamilton, 


McPhillips, 


Sevigny, 


Islands), 


Hanbidge, 


Maltais, 


Skoreyko, 


Caouette, 


Harkness, 


Mandziuk, 


Smallwood, 


Cardiff, 


Hees, 


Marcoux, 


Smith (Calgary 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Herridge, 


Martin (Timmins), 


South), 


Chaplin, 


Hodgson, 


Martineau, 


Smith (Simcoe 


Chown, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Mather, 


North), 


Churchill, 


Horner (The 


Millar, 


Southam, 


Clancy, 


Battlefords), 


Monteith, 


Starr, 


Cook, 


Howard, 


Moore, 


Stefanson, 


Cooper, 


Howe, 


More, 


Stenson, 


Cote, 


Jorgenson, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Thomas, 


Crouse, 


Kennedy, 


North and 


Thompson, 


Diefenbaker, 


Kindt, 


Victoria), 


Valade, 


Dinsdale, 


Knowles, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Vincent, 


Dionne, 


Korchinski, 


Nasserden, 


Webb, 


Dumont, 


Lamy, 


Nesbitt, 


Webster, 


English, 


Langlois, 


Nielsen, 


Weichel, 


Enns, 


Laprise, 


Nowlan, 


Winkler, 


Fairclough CMrs.), 


Latulippe, 


Nugent, 


WoolUams— 147, 



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103 



Nays 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Clermont, 


Harley, 


Matte, 


Argue, 


Clunis, 


Hellyer, 


Mitchell, 


Asselin, 


Cowan, 


Honey, 


Munro, 


Badanai, 


Crestohl, 


Laang, 


Nicholson, 


Batten, 


Crossman, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pearson, 


Bechard, 


Denis, 


Lamoureux, 


Pennell, 


Beer, 


Drouin, 


Laniel, 


Pickersgill, 


Benson, 


Drury, 


Leduc, 


Pilon, 


Boulanger, 


Dube, 


Legare, 


Richard, 


Bourque, 


Dupuis, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Rideout, 


Brown, 


Ethier, 


Henri), 


Rinfret, 


Burgess, 


Eudes, 


Loiselle, 


Robichaud, 


Byrne, 


Forgie, 


Macdonald 


Rock, 


Cadieux, 


Foy, 


(Rosedale), 


Roxburgh, 


Cameron 


Garland, 


Mackasey, 


Ryan, 


(High Park), 


Godin, 


Macnaughton, 


Stewart, 


Cantin, 


Gordon, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Tardif, 


Cardin, 


Granger, 


McMillan, 


Teillet, 


Caron, 


Gray, 


McNulty, 


Tucker, 


Carter, 


Habel, 


McWilliam, 


Turner, 


Cashin, 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Wahn, 


Chevrier, 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Matheson, 


Walker— 85, 



On Orders of the Day again having been called, a discussion arose 
in regard to a statement by the honourable Member for Bow River (Mr. 
Woolliams) ; 

And the honourable Member for Port Arthur (Mr. Fisher) having posed 
a question in relation thereto; 

Mr. Speaker ruled the question out of order on the ground that it was 
not the type of question that could be asked when Orders of the Day are called. 

From this Ruling the honourable Member for Port Arthur appealed to the 
House. 

And, the Members having been called in; 

Mr. Speaker reported that the question was an appeal to the House from 
the above Ruling. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 
division: 







Yeas 








Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Bernier, 


Clancy, 


Fairclough (Mrs.), 


Alkenbrack, 


Bigg, 


Cook, 


Fairweather, 


Balcer, 


Bourbonnais, Cooper, 


Fane, 


Baldwin, 


Bradley, 


Cote, 


Fleming (Eglinton), 


Baskin, 


Cadieu, 


Crouse, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Beaule, 


Caouette, 


Diefenbaker, 


Revelstoke), 


Belanger, 


Cardiff, 


Dinsdale, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Bell (Carleton), 


Casselman 


(Mrs.), Dionne, 


Carleton), 


Bell (Saint John- 


Chaplin, 


Dumont, 


Forbes, 


Albert), 


Chown, 


English, 


Frenette, 


BelzOe, 


Churchill, 


Enns, 


Fulton, 



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11 ELIZABETH H 



Gagnon, 


Leboe, 


Monteith, 


Robinson, 


Gauthier, 


Legere, 


Moore, 


Rondeau, 


Grafftey, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


More, 


Roy, 


Green, 


Jean), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Rynard, 


Gregoire, 


Letourneau, 


North and 


Sams, 


Grills, 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Victoria), 


Sevigny, 


Gundlock, 


MacEwan, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Skoreyko, 


Hales, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Nasserden, 


Smallwood, 


Halpenny, 


Macquarrie, 


Nesbitt, 


Smith (Calgary 


Hamilton, 


MacRae, 


Nielsen, 


South), 


Hanbidge, 


McBain, 


Nowlan, 


Smith (Simcoe 


Harkness, 


McCleave, 


Nugent, 


North), 


Hodgson, 


McDonald 


O'Hurley, 


Southam, 


Horner (Acadia), 


(Hamilton 


Ormiston, 


Starr, 


Horner (The 


South), 


Ouellet, 


Stefanson, 


Battlefords), 


McGee, 


Pascoe, 


Stenson, 


Howe, 


McGrath, 


Patterson, 


Thomas, 


Jorgenson, 


Mcintosh, 


Paul, 


Thompson, 


Kennedy, 


McPhillips, 


Perron, 


Valade, 


Kindt, 


Maltais, 


Phillips, 


Vincent, 


Korchinski, 


Mandziuk, 


Plourde, 


Webb, 


Lamy, 


Marcoux, 


Pugh, 


Weichel, 


Langlois, 


Martineau, 


Rapp, 


Winkler, 


Laprise, 


Millar, 


Ricard, 


Woolliams — 130 


Latulippe, 










Nays 






Messrs: 




Addison, 


Chevrier, 


Honey, 


Matte, 


Argue, 


Clermont, 


Howard, 


Mitchell, 


Asselin, 


Clunis, 


Knowles, 


Munro, 


Badanai, 


Cowan, 


Laing, 


Nicholson, 


Barnett, 


Crestohl, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Orlikow, 


Batten, 


Crossman, 


Lamoureux, 


Pearson, 


Bechard, 


Denis, 


Laniel, 


Pennell, 


Beer, 


Drouin, 


Leduc, 


Peters, 


Benson, 


Drury, 


Legare, 


Pickersgill, 


Berger, 


Dube, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Pilon, 


Boulanger, 


Dupuis, 


Henri), 


Prittie, 


Bourque, 


Ethier, 


Lewis, 


Richard, 


Brewin, 


Eudes, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Brown, 


Fisher, 


Macdonald 


Rinfret, 


Burgess, 


Forgie, 


(Rosedale), 


Robichaud, 


Byrne, 


Foy, 


Maclnnis, 


Rock, 


Cadieux, 


Garland, 


Mackasey, 


Roxburgh, 


Cameron 


Godin, 


Macnaughton, 


Ryan, 


(High Park), 


Gordon, 


Mcllraith, 


Scott, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- Granger, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Stewart, 


Cowichan-The 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Tardif, 


Islands), 


Habel, 


McNulty, 


Teillet, 


Cantin, 


Haidasz, 


McWilliam, 


Tucker, 


Cardin, 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Martin (Essex East) 


Turner, 


Caron, 


Harley, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Wahn, 


Carter, 


Hellyer, 


Mather, 


Walker, 


Cashin, 


Herridge, 


Matheson, 


Webster— 103. 



« 



(Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)) 

(Notices of Motions) 
Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Berger, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the Federal Government should give leadership by convening a con- 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 17th OCTOBER 105 

ference of federal, provincial and municipal authorities to review the respon- 
sibilities of each level of government and their financial ability to assume same, 
with a view to re-allocating the heavy burden for services, such as education 
and welfare on a more equitable basis. — {Notice of Motion No. I). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members* Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Second Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Margaret Ellymore MacDougall Abbott, wife of Ernest Kitson Abbott of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Carmen Lister Abrams, wife of Theodore Martin Abrams of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Dorothy Irene Marjorie Hunt Adams, wife of Merrill Karn Adams of St. 
John, Quebec. 

Agnes Blumenthal Agai, wife of Nicolas Agai of Montreal, Quebec. 

Demetre Almyriotis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Evanthia Stamelos 
Almyriotis. 

Betty Szlukier Ankhelyi, wife of Gyorgy (George) Ankhelyi of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Anne Marie Perrozzino Asselin, wife of Roger Asselin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sylvia Taliercio Aucoin, wife of John Charles Aucoin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Denise Vezeau Bachelder, wife of Stanley John Arthur Bachelder of 
Rougemont, Quebec. 

Sonja Swerzowa Bagry, wife of Ignaz Bagry of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alma Ivy Trineer Bankley, wife of Gordon Lloyd Bankley of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Percy Beauvais of City of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Mary Letitia 
McKenzie Beauvais. 

Paul Aime Bedard of the Province of Quebec, husband of Jean Shirley 
Yvonne Carter Bedard. 

Jacqueline Dumontet Belanger, wife of Marcel Belanger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jeannie Kozak Belchik, wife of Paul Belchik of Montreal, Quebec. 

Aranka Ilona Paris Berendy, wife of Bela Julius Berendy of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



106 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Gladys Ethel Sarah Baker Bergeron, wife of Philip Joseph Bergeron of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Guy Bertrand of City of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Colombe Grondin 
Bertrand. 

June Grafton Blickstead, wife of Ralph Blickstead of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kenneth Allen Blight of St. Eustache sur-le-Lac, Quebec, husband of 
Iris Maureen Barnett Blight. 

Gizella Ethel Nagy Bogoly, wife of Louis Bogoly, Junior, of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Simonne Michele Mona Routier Bouchard, wife of Jacques Bouchard of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine 
Theriault Bougie. 

James Robert Breslin of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Mary Marlene 
Leona Beaudoin Breslin. 

Shirley Anderson Brimacombe, wife of Irving Brimacombe of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Klara Ary Brody, wife of Otto Brody of Montreal, Quebec. 
Marjorie McEachern Brown, wife of Arnold Galbraith Brown of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Wilma Gloria Hill Bryson, wife of Lloyd George Bryson of Lachute, 
Quebec. 

Gerhard Hermann Buchholz of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ingrid 
Koenig Buchholz. 

Alexander Burke of Pointe-aux-Trembles, Quebec, husband of Emeran- 
tienne St-Pierre Burke. 

Olga Antonina Safian Burkousky, wife of Joseph Marion Burkousky of 
Lachine, Quebec. 

Lorraine Bastien Burt, wife of Harold Edmund Burt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Bruce Reid Campbell of Westmount, Quebec, husband of June Ethel Phyllis 
Barton Campbell. 

Judith Elizabeth Stacey Caron, wife of Norman Michael Caron of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Nicholas Cimbru Chambers of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Germaine 
Leclerc Chambers. 

Robert Charles Chapman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Jane 
Griffin Chapman. 

Rosemary Beatrice Overett Clare, wife of Derek Clare of Outremont, 
Quebec. 

Alice Elizabeth Newman Clarke, wife of Warren Clarke of Ville LeMoyne, 
Quebec. 

Anita Duguay Cleri, wife of Vinicio Cleri of Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Hayden Forman Crerar, wife of Colin Douglas Crerar of 
Beaconsfield, Quebec. 

Josephine Mary Holmes Croll, wife of Donald Edmund CroU of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Sylvia Lipson Dankner, wife of Philip Dankner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Florence Patricia Finucane Da Silva, wife of Aubrey Terrence Da Silva of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 17th OCTOBER 107 

Joseph Fortin Decelles of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Simonne Letour- 
neau Decelles. 

Giuseppe de Cristofaro of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Brigide Roy de 
Cristofaro. 

Elsie Jean Oakley Delisle, wife of Leo Roger Delisle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alexandra Pantzaras Deliyannakis, wife of Nicolas Deliyannakis of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Gladys Jean Assaf Desjardins, wife of Joseph Julien Leopold Desjardins of 
Ste. Therese, Quebec. 

Hilda Copley Desjardins, wife of Joseph Real Robert Desjardins of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Anita Margaret Steele d'Esterre, wife of Robert Duncan d'Esterre of Bea- 
consfield, Quebec. 

Margaret Joan Parkinson Digby, wife of George Arnold Digby of Ville St. 
Michel, Quebec. 

Patricia Beverley Lang Dimeo, wife of Alexander Hough Dimeo of Montreal 
West, Quebec. 

John Donaldson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Evelyn Mahaffey Donald- 
son. 

Jean Helen Wales Donnan, wife of James Stewart Donnan of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Brigitte Seidel Dophide, wife of Wilfrid Dophide of City of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

Louise Lamarre Doyle, wife of John Harold Doyle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Hazel Weir Durocher, wife of Georges Durocher of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rose Gratton Duval, wife of Aurele Duval of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rosemary Louise Di Gravina Eakins, wife of Peter Russell Eakins of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

William Rankin Edmonson of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband of 
Marjorie Beryl Blodgett Edmonson. 

Joseph Arthur Norman William Edwards of Lasalle, Quebec, husband of 
Muriel Joyce Bray Edwards. 

Ruth Ilona Mickley Elkin, wife of Sidney Elkin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Leonard Emond of Repentigny, Quebec, husband of Bella Savard Emond. 

Joyce Ethel Martin Empey, wife of John Franklyn Empey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean Alexandria MacPhail Etheridge, wife of Kenneth Charles Etheridge 
of St-Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 

John Faucher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marion Gardner Faucher. 

Robert Fleischer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Agnes Pataki Fleischer. 

Mary Iris Neil Fournier, wife of Jean Jacques Fournier of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alethea Arnold Fowler, wife of Irwin Fowler of Baldwins Mills, Quebec. 

Haia (Clara) Weissman Fuchsman, wife of losif (Josif) Fuchsman of 
Chateauguay Gardens, Quebec. 

Margaret Elaine Arthur Gallagher, wife of Raymond Hugh Gallagher of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Herve Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carmen Sicard Gauthier. 

Rosaire Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Dean Auclair Gauthier. 

Therese Lambert Genest, wife of Claude Genest of Westmount, Quebec. 



108 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Nicole Marie Pineau Geoffrey, wife of Bernard Marcel Geoffroy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Mary Yvonne Agarand Giguere, wife of Claude Giguere of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Marie Emilia Rolande Bernier Gittens, wife of Kenneth Fitzgerald Gittens 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lucille Issenman Goresky, wife of Irving Goresky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nancy Ruth Romaniuk Grabina, wife of Jerry Grabina of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Catherine Mildred Fogarty Gray, wife of Joseph George Robert Gray of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Albert Greensell, wife of Remi Greensell of Montreal, Quebec. 

Barbara Gladys George Gregory, wife of Marshall Donald Ward Gregory 
of Lake Selby, Quebec. 

Wilhelmina Morrison Grundy, wife of George William Grundy of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Madeleine Francoise Patenaude Hankowski, wife of Jan Paul Hankowski 
of the Province of Quebec. 

John Harman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ann Frogley Harman. 

Robert Harrison of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Jeanette Nolan Har- 
rison. 

Doris Sibyl Jane Godsell Hassall, wife of Frederick James Hassall of Ver- 
dun, Quebec. 

Rene Hebert of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carmen Labrecque Hebert. 

Felix Hollinger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Adeline Ruskin Hollinger. 

Dorothy Doreen Bertram Howell, wife of William Alfred Howell of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Nadia-Anne Lucyshyn Hruszij, wife of Mycola Hruszij of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lillian Florence Catherine Kaye Hurst, wife of Douglas Charles Hurst of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Harry Hyman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rose Teresa Emond Hyman. 

Ion Ignatescu of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Saveta Palagian Ignatescu. 

Haidy Amalie Madelaine Vasesha Jack, wife of John Thomas Jack of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Rosa Degan Jacobson, wife of Michael Jacobson of Montreal, Quebec. 

Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Vittorina 
Bernard! Janicki. 

Marie Joan Patricia Romano Jeffries, wife of Joseph William Jeffries of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Christine Viger Johnson, wife of Harteny Lawrence Johnson of Valois, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis Carol Green Johnston, wife of William Johnston of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Colleen Ann Sheen Kenny, wife of William Harold Kenny, Junior of Ver- 
dun, Quebec. 

Margaret Anna Varga Kenwood, wife of Ronald Albert Kenwood of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elisabeth Ingrid 
Lopinski Kerlikowsky, 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 17th OCTOBER 109 

Zelda Barbara Fine Kimberg, wife of Irving Noah Kimberg of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gabriela Meislova Kiwitt, wife of William Kiwitt of Beaurepaire, Quebec. 

Mildred Dishell Kligman, wife of Sam Kligman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anita Guido Lorencin Knezevic, wife of Zoran Mitar Knezevic of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Maureen Davies Knowles, wife of Geoffrey Arnold Elnowles of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Anne Hanley Kotania, wife of Thaddeus Julian John Kotania of 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Jacobi Kovacs, wife of Lajos Louis 
Kovacs, also known as Kovac, of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Jeannette Hazlett Krautle, wife of Karl Otto Krautle of Arundel, 
Quebec. 

Joyce Irene Bernard Larocque, wife of Andrew Joseph Larocque of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Constance Valerie McKnight Laurie, wife of Norman Earl Laurie of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Paulyne Gagnon Leblanc, wife of Andre Leblanc of Montreal, Quebec. 

Guy Lefebvre of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine Bergeron 
Lefebvre. 

Violet Pearl St. James Kerr Lemoine, wife of Stanley Allen Lemoine of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Maria Jeney Lenkei, wife of Francois Ferenc Lenkei, also known as 
Leichtag, of Montreal, Quebec. 

Celia Mucznik Lesnik, wife of Borys Lesnik of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Gold Letovsky, wife of Louis Wolfe Letovsky of Dorval, Quebec. 

Ines Barbara Harari Levy, wife of Nessim (Nathan) Levy of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Ada Edwards Lewis, wife of Gilbert Stephen Lewis of City of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Joseph Antonio Benoit Jacques L'Heureux of Montreal, Quebec, husband 
of Marie Irene Jacqueline Cauvier L'Heureux. 

Marsha Mendelman Liberman, wife of Saul Liberman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sheila Izenberg Liebling, wife of Gilbert Liebling of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nathalie Katyk Longtin, wife of Claude Valois Longtin of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Dorothy Estelle Gibbons Lord, wife of Richard Leslie Michael Lord of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Karl-Heinz Hans Luedders of Laval des Rapides, Quebec, husband of 
Irene Antonie Otten Luedders. 

Frances Feldman Lyman, wife of Harvey 'Lyrmm of Montreal, Quebec. 

Phyllis Amber Manoah, wife of Yaacov Manoah of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edward Sidney Mansfield of Bois de Filion, Quebec, husband of Dorothea 
Lyon Innes Mansfield. 

Leonard Marchand (Mihalcean) of Pont-Viau, Quebec, husband of Gert- 
rude Emond Marchand. 

Dawn Dorothea Armstrong Marsden, wife of Ross John Chambers Mars- 
den of St. Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 



no HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Sandra Mary-Louise Deering Martin, wife of Wallace Martin of ViUe 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Anna Luella Zacharias Matthews, wife of Ronald Rupert Matthews of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Ann Gall Maughan, wife of John Frederick Maughan of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Mildred Dawson Larmonth Meakins, wife of Jonathan Fayette Meakins of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Aleta (Maude) Barker Meerovitch, wife of Nathaniel Meerovitch of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Leslie Thomas Nerval Modler of Cartierville, Quebec, husband of Nina 
Naomi March Modler. 

William Henry Monaghan of Hudson Heights, Quebec, husband of JoAnn 
Carol Brown Monaghan. 

Gladys Noreen Hill Monette, wife of John James Monette of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Harold Moreau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Dragon Moreau. 
Valerie Jean Arnott Morton, wife of John Ure Morton of Verdun, Quebec. 
Ruth Clark Moss, wife of Harry Moss, of Montreal, Quebec. 
Elsa Trolle Munch, wife of Arne Munch of Dorval, Quebec. 

Ann Marguerite Barnett MacDonald, wife of Russell Albert MacDonald 
of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Vera Irene Scott MacKenzie, wife of William George MacKenzie of 
Lachute, Quebec. 

Edith Rozel Dugan McDougall, wife of David McDougall of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Angus Mcintosh of Verdun, Quebec, husband of June Theresa Gearey 
Mcintosh. 

Ellen Chase Biggar McKellar, wife of Bruce McKellar of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sandra Elizabeth Haan McVety, wife of John A. McVety of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lajos (Louis) Nagy of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Ilonka Hajnal Nagy. 

Josephine (Rose) Tworeck Nawrocki, wife of Joseph John Nawrocki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Cynthia Beloff Nevitt, wife of Joshua Nevitt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Pawel Olejnik of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Bzik Olejnik. 

Jean Elizabeth Simmons O'Reilly, wife of Michael Walter O'Reilly of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Charles Harold Page of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carole Ann Gollan 
Page. 

Clara Edith Laszlo Papp, wife of Otto Papp of Montreal, Quebec. 

Virginia Ruth Baker Parmiter, wife of Douglas Parmiter of Ville LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Joan Mary Graham Pearson, wife of Richard Hammond Pearson of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Maureen Mary Mears Piercey, wife of William Frederick Piercey of Verdun, 
Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 17th OCTOBER 111 

Madge Estelle Druce Pinkerton, wife of Robert Pinkerton of Ville Lemoyne, 
Quebec. 

Eva Florence Eigen Plaskett, wife of Gordon Plaskett of Montreal, Quebec. 

Georgine Jun Plzak, wife of Bohumil Plzak of Sutton, Quebec. 

Evelyn Frances Jordan Rae, wife of Clifford Rae of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Rose Sheen Rankin, wife of Allan Hugh Rankin of Verdun, Quebec. 

Susanne Markovits Reiner, wife of Charles Reiner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Monique Fournier Remy, wife of Edouard Remy of St-Marc-sur-Richelieu, 
Quebec. 

Real Richard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marcella Levesque Richard. 

Geraldine Ludgarde Pineault Romer, wife of Joseph Frank Romer of 
Chomedey South, Quebec. 

Marcelle Guedj Rosenberg, wife of Salomon Rosenberg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Isadore Rosenblatt of Montreal, husband of Sarah Molly Speevak Rosenblatt. 

Rebecca Rafalkes Rosenstrauss, wife of Eisig Rosenstrauss of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Irene Gargano Ross, wife of Stanley Ross of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nellie Rosen Rothman, wife of Charles Rothman of Westmount, Quebec. 

Gerda-Sascha Slosarczyk Rozwadowski, wife of Jerzy Rozwadowski of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Beverly Anne Bishop Runions, wife of Harold Kenneth Runions of Sher- 
brooke, Quebec. 

Kathleen Meades Ryan, wife of Albert George Ryan of Point St. Charles, 
Quebec. 

Jeannine Elizabeth Buchanan Sharpe, wife of Theodore Sharpe of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lorna Greenberg Scherzer, wife of Paul Scherzer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Theresa Keefe Sckyra, wife of Edwin Sckyra of Longueuil, Quebec. 

Joseph Maurice Sealy of Ville Jacques-Cartier, Quebec, husband of Clara 
Allan Godding Sealy. 

Blima (Wendy) Weitzman Shapiro, wife of Harry (Hirsh) Shapiro of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Ivy Elizabeth Jacques Sherry, wife of Henry Edward Sherry of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis White Siev, wife of Geoffrey Marshall Siev of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lloyd James Simpson of Ste. Anne de Bellevue, Quebec, husband of Hazel 
Weston Kindred Simpson. 

Marion Ruth Catherine Harding Slattery, wife of Edward Michael Slattery 
of Verdun, Quebec. 

Patricia Ann Nind Small, wife of Leonard Edward George Small of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Lillian Banks Small, wife of Richard William Small of Chateau- 
guay, Quebec. 

Ruby Rita Williams Smith, wife of John Michael Smith of Montreal, Quebec. 



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Sylvia Bertha Schneider Spires, wife of John Joseph Spires of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Bertha Bromirska Staruch, wife of John Staruch of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Angela McMenamin Stirling, wife of Alexander Stirling of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Adele Kathleen Paquin Strachan, wife of Kenneth Alexander Strachan of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Leomay Marie Blanche Chouinard Chilco Stratton, wife of James Martin 
Stratton. 

Anna Elizabeth Bovingdon Strickland, wife of Edward John Strickland of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Hyman Omri Tannenbaum of Bale d'Urfe, Quebec, husband of Elsie Sarah 
Kirouac Tannenbaum. 

Marketa Langer Tata, wife of Saam Tata of Montreal, Quebec. 

Isadore Titleman of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marion Ganstil 
Titleman. 

Glen Stewart Small Tornay, wife of Edgar Tornay of Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Maron Trachtenberg (Tratt) wife of Arthur Trachtenberg (Tratt) 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doris Irene Moss Trerice, wife of Nelson Webster Trerice of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Milton Lawrence Trickey of Town of St. Constant, Quebec, husband of 
Myrtle Ramona Feltham Trickey. 

Irene Horianska Tyminski, wife of Tadeusz Tyminski of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lygery Papademetriou Varverikos, wife of Emmanuel Varverikos of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Stasys Vysniauskas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Zenta Bertulaite 
Vysniauskas. 

Linnea Erna Barbara Gussow Walker, wife of Henry Normand Walker of 
Baie d'Urfe, Quebec. 

Barbara Ann Tivy Wallace, wife of Kenneth William Wallace of St. Lam- 
bert, Quebec. 

William Metcalfe Watt of Laval West, Quebec, husband of Rosemary Evelyn 
MacCartney Watt. 

Toni Anna Lydia Mogroby Weiss (Weisz), wife of Bernard Weiss (Weisz) 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anton Welte of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Christina Mayer Welte. 

Esther Sheps Wertheimer, wife of William Wertheimer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Miriam Fairbairn White, wife of Matthew White of Montreal, Quebec. 

James Richard Williamson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire Morin 
Williamson. 

Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Erna 
Margot Szlata Willis. 

Helena Jadwiga Igiel Vel Frankel Wodnicki, wife of Stanislaw Wodnicki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Sheila Callan Wolofsky, wife of Leib Wolofsky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Margaret Bennett WooUey, wife of Edward Brian Woolley of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



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Lily Heyes Worthington, wife of Ronald Worthington of Ville LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Rachela Landau Zimber, wife of Leo Zimber of Montreal, Quebec. 
Jean Alice Beswick Rinder, wife of Leonard Rinder of Quebec, Quebec. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 18th OCTOBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.in. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, 
as follows: 

GEORGE P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Revised Esti- 
mates of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending on the 
31st March, 1963, and, in accordance with the provisions of the British North 
America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates to the 
House of Commons. 

Government House. 



On motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, the said Message 
and Revised Estimates were referred to the Committee of Supply. 



One petition was presented in accordance with Standing Order 70(2), 



Mr. Bell (Carleton), seconded by Mr. Halpenny, moved, — That the House 
do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the establishment 
of an Indian Claims Commission and the appointment of its members and staff; 

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to provide for their salaries and expenses; to define the duties of the Commis- 
sion, to authorize it to exercise certain powers and to provide for other related 
and incidental matters. 

Resolved, That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That a Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping owned 
and controlled by the Government be appointed to consider the accounts, esti- 
mates and bills relating to the Canadian National Railways, the Canadian Na- 
tional (West Indies) Steamships, and Trans-Canada Air Lines, saving always 
the powers of the Committee of Supply in relation to the voting of public 
moneys, and that the said Committee be empowered to send for persons, papers 
and records, and to report from time to time, and that notwithstanding Standing 
Order 67 in relation to the limitation of the number of Members, the said Com- 
mittee shall consist of 26 Members.— The Minister of Transport. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Farm Credit Act; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

. . . f. 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-4, An Act respecting Canadian Pacific Railway Company. — Mr. 
Ormiston. 

; The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



1 [Private Members* Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)'] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)'] 

Mr. Turner, seconded by Mr. Walker, moved, — That an Order of the House 
do issue for a copy of a tatle showing the changes in the official holdings of 
gold and foreign exchange, including United States dollars, held in the Ex- 
change Fund Account and Bank of Canada and showing "the total amount of 
exchange delivered to the market from the sales of foreign exchange", day 
by day, from April 9 to June 24, 1962,, inclusive. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 12). 

3/" - After debate thereon, th6 (Question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to.- - '^i ^i ^-' j..; -■-.=; Jx....:;7vVi iyii.- ij-j;: ., • 



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Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before 
this House a copy of the Minutes of all meetings of the National Productivity 
Council. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 14). 

After debate thereon, the said motion was, by leave of the House, with- 
drawn. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Farm Credit Act, and further progress hav- 
ing been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, ("^ Question No. 163) showing: 
Has the government or any of its officials engaged in discussion with the 
United States Government with respect to the possible effect of the United 
States Trade Expansion Act on Canadian trade and, if so, what Canadian 
officials have taken part and when were these discussions held? 

By Mr. Hamilton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report 
respecting the Operations of the Agreements and Payments made to the Prov- 
inces under the Crop Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pur- 
suant to section 10 of the said Act, chapter 42, Statutes of Canada, 1959. 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Trade 
and Commerce for the year ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to section 7 
of the Department of Trade and Commerce Act, chapter 78, R.S.C., 1952. 

Fourth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on October 17th by Mr. Mandziuk, meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Christina Gentilo Aube, wife of Jean Aube of Montreal, Quebec. 

Olga Stefik Auger, wife of James Auger of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Therese Matte Beaudoin, wife of Robert Beaudoin of Quebec, Quebec. 

Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Gisele 
Causette Chapleau Belisle. 

Bernice Schnapp Bordensky, wife of Sam Bordensky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Aurella Lapikas Breard, wife of Jean Breard of the Province of Quebec. 

Jean Ilene Woods Buckley, wife of Kenneth George Buckley of Chomedey, 
Quebec, 

Colin (Collin) Mills Campbell of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Barbara 
June Jones Campbell. 



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Claude Caron of Valcartier, Quebec, husband of Pauline Thomson Caron, 

Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette Noel Champagne, wife of Joseph Ovila 
Raymond Champagne of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elsie Champ Clifford, wife of Peter Clifford of Montreal, Quebec. 

Philip Dalgleish of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Rosemarie Bohn Dalgleish. 

Marie Jacqueline Colavecchio Dusablon, wife of Jean Rene Dusablon of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Andre Durocher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire Chretien 
Durocher. 

Jacqueline Maynard Elfstrom, wife of Edward Albert Elfstrom of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Susan Lukacs Gabor, wife of Ivan Gabor of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Adelard Frederick Geraghty of Quebec, Quebec, husband of Maude 
Ellen Bayford Geraghty. 

Marie Augustine Jeannette Rail Gibbs, wife of William David Gibbs of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Catherine Roche Harper, wife of Jordan Harper of Montreal, Quebec. 

George Cecil Horton of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Audrey Josephine 
Bach Horton. 

Mary Teresa Dowd Hough, wife of Herbert Frederick James Hough of 
Dorval, Quebec. 

Wilma Goldstein Karls, wife of Ludwig Karls of Cote St. Luc, Quebec. 

Anita Carpman Klaiman, wife of Raymond Klaiman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Molly Slobod Krakower, wife of David Krakower of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Celine Pierrette Lavoie Lapointe, wife of Laurent Lapointe of 
Lachine, Quebec. 

Jean Eileen Moreland Leath, wife of Anthony James Leath of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Claude Lefebvre of St. Bruno, Quebec, husband of Marie Liette Balit 
Lefebvre. 

Anita Marie Virginie Bouffard Leroux, wife of Andre Leroux of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Minnie Herscovitch Lichtenstein, wife of Ben Lichtenstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Kathleen McCuUough Lister, wife of Walter Charles William 
Lister of Pointe- Claire, Quebec. 

Barbara Joan Sonia Horsfield Lother, wife of Gordon Readman Lowther 
of Hudson, Quebec. 

Sybil Lillian Freedman Lupovich, wife of Jack Arnold Lupovich of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Sylvia Evelyn Gruber Lyon, wife of Peter Alwyne Lyon of St. Lambert, 
Quebec. 

Frances Sheila Cashmore Madden, wife of Raymond Norman Madden of 
Ville LaSalle, Quebec. 

Stella Eileen Sassoon Menahem, wife of Abraham Yousef Menahem of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Evelyne Paquette Millette, wife of Andre Millette of Verdun, Quebec. 

Marie Antoinette Germaine Corbeil Mouton, wife of Maurice Joseph 
Mouton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Delia Pechie McGuire, wife of Walter Charles McGuire of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



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Betty Solomon Naimovitch (Naimo), wife of Max Issie Naimovitch (Naimo) 
of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Shirley Millar Neal, wife of George Chesley Neal of St. John's, New- 
foundland. 

Francis John Nobbs of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Hazel Ernestine 
Sansom Nobbs. 

Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Made- 
leine Helene Dalcourt Pelletier. 

Louisa Emily Elizabeth Stevens Porter, wife of John Andrew Porter of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Aurea Rousseau Pothier, wife of Aurele Pothier of Lachine, Quebec. 

Anne Marion Mclnnis Prentice, wife of Arthur Clifford Prentice of Town 
of Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Theresa Murray Rivet, wife of Denis Rivet of Montreal, Quebec. 

Barbara Patricia Roberts Rogers, wife of William Arthur Rogers of Ville 
Emard, Quebec. 

Eugenie Fortin Sansregret, wife of Arthur Sansregret of Montreal, Quebec. 

Paulette Benoit Sauve, wife of Andre Sauve of He Bizard, Quebec. 

Ingeborg Koopmann Schmidt, wife of Walter Schmidt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Schulte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Margot Rein Schulte. 

Ruth Gittleson Shapiro, wife of Eli Shapiro of Westmount, Quebec. 

Ellen Shafer Smolar, wife of Samuel Bernard Smolar of Montreal, Quebec. 

Judith Joy Shier Spector, wife of Burton Spector of Montreal, Quebec. 

Audrey Barbara Harris Sutton, wife of Frederick Albert Sutton of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Kenneth James Graham Tait of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Elsie 
Marguerite Joudrey Tait. 

Raymonde Mongeau Vachon, wife of Andre Vachon of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lloyd Carlton Willard of Sawyerville, Quebec, husband of Uldene Florence 
Barber Willard. 

Amira Sadikovic Wilson, wife of Roger Frederic Wilson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Fifth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: — 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions for Acts 
to annul the marriage of the following, presented on October 17 by Mr. Mand- 
ziuk, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Vanutelli Deschenes of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Honorine Denis 
Deschenes. 

Lillian Dauber Haller, wife of Alfred Haller of Montreal, Quebec. 

Claude Gerard Montpetit of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Katherine 
Hughes Montpetit. 

Paul-Emile Niquette of Sorel, Quebec, husband of Gisele Desrosiers- 
Niquette. 

Alexander Turnbull of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Irene Myrtle 
Evangeline Shaw Turnbull. 



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Sixth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on October 17th by Mr. Mandziuk, meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Magella Rheaume Bergeron, wife of Laureat Bergeron of Montreal, Quebec. 

Michele Favreau Breuer, wife of Claude Luc Breuer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Helen Peto Brown, wife of Robert Morel Brown of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Roland Demers of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Pierrette Mercier Demers. 
Joan Marjorie Baker Gregor-Pearse, wife of Reginald Clive Gregor-Pearse 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lise Lamer Hogue, wife of Alain Hogue of Montreal, Quebec. 

Giovani Pallotta of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gerarda Delia Zazzera 
Pallotta. 

Joyce Evelyn Mackie Ranger, wife of Joseph Paul Emille Nelson Ranger of 
Riviere Beaudette, Quebec. 

Millicent Vera Bratley Seagrove, wife of Anthony Naworth Seagrove of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Gabrielle Alarie Ungar, wife of Harry Ungar of Montreal, Quebec. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Third Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Christina Gentilo Aube, wife of Jean Aube of Montreal, Quebec. 

Olga Stefik Auger, wife of James Auger of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Therese Matte Beaudoin, wife of Robert Beaudoin of Quebec, Quebec. 

Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Gisele 
Causette Chapleau Belisle. 

Bernice Schnapp Bordensky, wife of Sam Bordensky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Aurella Lapikas Breard, wife of Jean Breard of the Province of Quebec. 

Jean Ilene Woods Buckley, wife of Kenneth George Buckley of Chomedey, 
Quebec. 

Colin (Collin) Mills Campbell of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Barbara 
June Jones Campbell. 

Claude Caron of Valcartier, Quebec, husband of Pauline Thomson Caron. 

Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette Noel Champagne, wife of Joseph Ovila 
Raymond Champagne of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elsie Champ Clifford, wife of Peter Clifford of Montreal, Quebec. 

Philip Dalgleish of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Rosemarie Bohn Dalgleish. 

Marie Jacqueline Colavecchio Dusablon, wife of Jean Rene Dusablon of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Andre Durocher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire Chretien 
Durocher. 

Jacqueline Maynard Elfstrom, wife of Edward Albert Elfstrom of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Susan Lukacs Gabor, wife of Ivan Gabor of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Adelard Frederick Geraghty of Quebec, Quebec, husband of Maude 
Ellen Bayford Geraghty. 



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Marie Augustine Jeannette Rail Gibbs, wife of William David Gibbs of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Catherine Roche Harper, wife of Jordan Harper of Montreal, Quebec. 

George Cecil Horton of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Audrey Josephine 
Bach Horton. 

Mary Teresa Dowd Hough, wife of Herbert Frederick James Hough of 
Dorval, Quebec. 

Wilma Goldstein Karls, wife of Ludwig Karls of Cote St. Luc, Quebec. 

Anita Carpman Klaiman, wife of Raymond Klaiman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Molly Slobod Krakower, wife of David Krakower of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Celine Pierrette Lavoie Lapointe, wife of Laurent Lapointe of 
Lachine, Quebec. 

Jean Eileen Moreland Leath, wife of Anthony James Leath of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Claude Lefebvre of St. Bruno, Quebec, husband of Marie Liette Balit 
Lefebvre. 

Anita Marie Virginie Bouffard Leroux, wife of Andre Leroux of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Minnie Herscovitch Lichtenstein, wife of Ben Lichtenstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Kathleen McCullough Lister, wife of Walter Charles William 
Lister of Pointe-Claire, Quebec. 

Barbara Joan Sonia Horsfield Lother, wife of Gordon Readman Lowther 
of Hudson, Quebec. 

Sybil Lillian Freedman Lupovich, wife of Jack Arnold Lupovich of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Sylvia Evelyn Gruber Lyon, wife of Peter Alwyne Lyon of St. Lambert, 
Quebec. 

Frances Sheila Cashmore Madden, wife of Raymond Norman Madden of 
Ville LaSalle, Quebec. 

Stella Eileen Sassoon Menahem, wife of Abraham Yousef Menahem of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Evelyne Paquette Millette, wife of Andre Millette of Verdun, Quebec. 

Marie Antoinette Germaine Corbeil Mouton, wife of Maurice Joseph 
Mouton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Delia Pechie McGuire, wife of Walter Charles McGuire of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Betty Solomon Naimovitch (Naimo), wife of Max Issie Naimovitch (Naimo) 
of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Shirley Millar Neal, wife of George Chesley Neal of St. John's, New- 
foundland. 

Francis John Nobbs of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Hazel Ernestine 
Sansom Nobbs. 

Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Made- 
leine Helene Dalcourt Pelletier. 

Louisa Emily Elizabeth Stevens Porter, wife of John Andrew Porter of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Aurea Rousseau Pothier, wife of Aurele Pothier of Lachine, Quebec. 

Anne Marion Mclnnis Prentice, wife of Arthur Clifford Prentice of Town 
of Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Therese Murray Rivet, wife of Denis Rivet of Montreal, Quebec. 

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Barbara Patricia Roberts Rogers, wife of William Arthur Rogers of Ville 
Emard, Quebec. 

Eugenie Fortin Sansregret, wife of Arthur Sansregret of Montreal, Quebec. 

Paulette Benoit Sauve, wife of Andre Sauve of He Bizard, Quebec. 

Ingeborg Koopmann Schmidt, wife of Walter Schmidt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Schulte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Margot Rein Schulte. 

Ruth Gittleson Shapiro, wife of Eli Shapiro of Westmount, Quebec. 

Ellen Shafer Smolar, wife of Samuel Bernard Smolar of Montreal, Quebec. 

Judith Joy Shier Spector, wife of Burton Spector of Montreal, Quebec. 

Audrey Barbara Harris Sutton, wife of Frederick Albert Sutton of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Kenneth James Graham Tait of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Elsie 
Marguerite Joudrey Tait. 

Raymonde Mongeau Vachon, wife of Andre Vachon of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lloyd Carlton Willard of Sawyerville, Quebec, husband of Uldene Florence 
Barber Willard. 

Amira Sadikovic Wilson, wife of Roger Frederic Wilson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fourth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for Acts to annul their marriage have complied with 
the requirements of Standing Order 96: 

Claude Gerard Montpetit of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Katherine 
Hughes Montpetit. 

Paul-Emile Niquette of Sorel, Quebec, husband of Gisele Desrosiers- 
Niquette. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fifth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Magella Rheaume Bergeron, wife of Laureat Bergeron of Montreal, Quebec. 

Michele Favreau Breuer, wife of Claude Luc Breuer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Helen Peto Brown, wife of Robert Morel Brown of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Roland Demers of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Pierrette Mercier Demers. 

Joan Marjorie Baker Gregor-Pearse, wife of Reginald Clive Gregor-Pearse 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joyce Evelyn Mackie Ranger, wife of Joseph Paul Emille Nelson Ranger of 
Riviere Beaudette, Quebec. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY 19th OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had laid 
upon the Table the Seventh Report of the Clerk of Petitions, which was read 
as follows: 

"The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, presented on October 18th by Mr. McNulty, meets the requirements 
of Standing Order 70: 

"Raymond Spencer Rodgers, Esquire, praying that this honourable House 
will take such steps as they may deem to be necessary and fitting to enable your 
petitioner to carry on his profession of a newspaper correspondent and thereby 
provide a livelihood for himself and family." 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Lincoln (Mr. McNulty) requested 
that the petition be read in accordance with Standing Order 70(8). 

Accordingly, by leave of the House, the said petition was read, received, 
and is as follows: 

"To the Honourable the House of Commons in Parliament Assembled: 

"The petition of the undersigned, Raymond Spencer Rodgers, publisher 
and commentator, Humbly Sheweth: 

"That he is employed as the parliamentary correspondent of the daily 
newspaper the St. Catharines Standard; 

"That an application from your petitioner for admission to the Press 
Gallery Association of this Parliament has been refused by the said association; 

"That by such refusal your petitioner is thereby denied the facilities, the 
rights and privileges of a working newspaperman which are necessary for 
him to report upon the proceedings of this Parliament; 
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"Therefore, your petitioner humbly prays that this honourable House will 
take such steps as they may deem to be necessary and fitting to enable your 
petitioner to carry on his profession of a newspaper correspondent and thereby 
provide a livelihood for himself and family. 

"And your petitioner, as in duty bound, will ever pray." 

(Signed) Raymond Spencer Rodgers 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. McNulty, seconded by Mr. McGee, 
it was ordered, — That the petition of Raymond Spencer Rodgers, the parlia- 
mentary correspondent for the St. Catharines Standard, concerning his applica- 
tion for admission to associate membership in the Parliamentary Press Gallery 
Association of this Parliament, be referred to the Standing Committee on 
Privileges and Elections for consideration thereof and such report thereon as 
the Committee may deem to be appropriate and fitting. 

Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Urban Development Plan, Banff, Alberta, dated 1961, prepared for 
the National Parks Branch, Department of Northern Affairs and National 
Resources, by H. Peter Oberlander. 

Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Lewis, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-65, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Insanity), which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Whelan, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-66, An Act to grant Amnesty to and Confirm the Rights of Asians, 
Africans and other Persons subject to Racial Discrimination whose Admission 
to Canada may have been irregular or illegal, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), seconded by Mr. McNulty, by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-67, An Act respecting Relief against Unconscionable 
Transactions, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Statements made at the 
United Nations concerning Nuclear Weapons Tests by the Honourable Howard 
Green on September 25, 1962, and by Lt. Gen. E. L. M. Burns on October 11, 
1962, be printed as an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 

The House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved,— That a sum not exceeding $231,819,569.82 being the aggregate 
of— 

(a) two- thirds of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Revised Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1963, laid before the 
House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $2,514,223,947.34; 



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(b) an additional one-quarter of the amounts of Atomic Energy Item 5, 
Finance Item 50, Forestry Item 11, Labour Item 40, Legislation Items 30 and 35, 
National Defence Item 70, National Health and Welfare Item 25, Northern 
Affairs and National Resources Item 10, Public Works Items 5, 45, 125, 190 
and 200, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Items 5 and 25, Loans, Investments 
and Advances Item L-20 of the said Revised Estimates, $33,266,831.25; 

(c) an additional one-sixth of the amounts of Canadian Broadcasting Cor- 
poration Item 5, Mines and Technical Surveys Items 30, 35, 40, 70, 80, 125 and 
130, Northern Affairs and National Resources Item 45, Public Works Items 70, 
100, 105 and 180, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Item 15, Transport Items 40, 
60, 80 and 85, of the said Revised Estimates, $11,139,450.00; 

(d) an additional one-twelfth of Agriculture Item 145, Citizenship and 
Immigration Items 30, 40 and 90, Finance Items 30 and 45, Fisheries Items 25, 
35, 45 and 85, Forestry Items 15, 25 and 35, Legislation Item 25, Mines and 
Technical Surveys Items 50, 60, 100 and 140, National Defence Item 25, National 
Film Board Item 1, National Research Council Item 1, National Revenue Item 
5, Northern Affairs and National Resources Items 25, 60, 90 and 110, Public 
Works Item 110, Trade and Commerce Items 15 and 20, Transport Items 100 
and 125, Veterans Affairs Items 45 and 50 of the said Revised Estimates, 
$52,558,215.00; 

Less amounts authorized to be paid and applied by the Appropriation Act 
No. 3, 1962 and the Appropriation Act No. 5, 1962, in respect of the correspond- 
ing Items in the Main Estimates referred to in those Acts, $2,379,368,873.77; 

be granted to Her Majesty on account of the present fiscal year ending March 
31st, 1963. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

The House resolved itself into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
March 31st, 1963, the sum of $231,819,569.82 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the Resolution concurred in this day 
in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



126 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-68, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the 
public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1963, which was 
read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Farm Credit Act, and further progress having 
been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



{At 5.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standi 
ing Order 15(3)} 

(Public Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-10, An Act to provide 
for Minimum Wages for Employees in Federal Works, Undertakings and Busi- 
nesses; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — ^That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Bell (Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by 
command of His Excellency the Governor General, — ^Report of the National 
Gallery of Canada, including its Accounts and Financial Transactions certi- 
fied by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 10 of the National Gallery Act, chapter 186, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, (Question No. 123) showing: 
1. What steps, if any, has the government taken to develop, in the various 
arms of the Canadian military, a trained and equipped force to battle forest fires 
in Canada? 

2. In brief form, what are the requirements in terms of request and serious- 
ness of the situation before such a force is brought into action? 

3. What system of cost- sharing or payment has been worked out to cover 
the use of such a force within a provincial jurisdiction? 



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By Mr. Halpenny, Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 222) showing: 1. What is the amount of the gross national 
debt? 

2. What is the amount owed by the provinces? 

3. What is the amount owed by the Canadian cities and municipalities? 

4. What is the amount owed by all the school boards of this country? 

5. What is the amount owed by the private individuals of this country to 
the finance corporations? 



At 6.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2 (1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Mcintosh, seconded by Mr. Millar, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-69, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Bureaucratic Oppression), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provisions 
of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 192, by Mr. Berger, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Did talks take place this year between officials of Canada, the United 
States, and British Columbia, or between officials of any of them, regarding the 
sale to the United States of the downstream benefits which Canada would 
acquire under the Columbia River Treaty and, if so, did these talks cover the 
question of what price or prices would be paid for said downstream benefits? 

2. Has the government reached agreement with the Province of British 
Columbia as regards the sale, on a long-term basis, of downstream benefits 
under the Columbia River Treaty, to the United States? 

^Question No. 207, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What are the addresses of the various offices of the Canadian Broad- 
casting Corporation in Montreal? 

2. How many of these offices are rented? 

3. What is the total monthly rent paid for the said offices? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



130 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Question No. 261, by Mr. Herridge, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What quantities, by grade, of coal were exported from Canada in 1960, 
1961, and to date in 1962? 

2. What quantities, by grade, of coal were available to coal dealers and 
consumers in British Columbia in 1960, 1961, and to date in 1962? 

3. Have any complaints been received from coal dealers and consumers in 
B.C. with respect to difficulties in obtaining good furnace coal since January 1, 
1960, and, if so, what action has been taken? 

* Question No. 264, by Mr. Rynard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. When privately-owned radio stations are affiliated with a CBC network, 
can the CBC dictate the CBC programs such stations must carry, and can broad- 
casting licenses be cancelled for failure to comply with such instructions? 

2. Have any religious programs on local private stations been replaced by 
sports and other secular programs as a result of such affiliation? 

3. Has any long-standing 15-minute devotional program been cut to five 
minutes as a result of such affiliation? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 266, by Mr. Thompson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What have been the total exports of (a) wheat and wheat flour 
(b) all grains, from Canada during the periods 1952 to 1956, 1957 to 1961, and 
since January 1, 1962, in terms of both volume and dollar value? 

2. During each of these periods, what quantity of grains (broken down as 
above) was exported to countries under Communist domination? 

3. What was the value of such exports? 

4. What is (a) the maximum amount of credit that has been advanced to 
finance such exports to countries under Communist domination (b) the present 
amount of credit outstanding in connection with such exports? 

* Question No. 267, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Since January 1, 1957, has Interior Contracting Co. Ltd., of Penticton, B.C., 
received any money for any work done for the federal government and, if so, 
how much money by dates of payment and purpose? 

Question No. 273, by Mr. Pickersgill, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Has a slave-labour allowance been paid to the ex-prisoners of war 
captured at Hong Kong and, if not, is the payment of such an allowance under 
active consideration? 

2. Has a benevolent fund been set up for ex-prisoners of war captured at 
Hong Kong from the War Claims Fund as recommended by the Veterans Affairs 
Committee of the House of Commons and, if not, why not? 

3. What amount has been paid from the War Claims Fund to each approved 
claimant? 

4. What claims are still outstanding, and what is the amount of each such 
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5. What has been the cost to the War Claims Fund of administration of the 
Fund? 

6. What is the balance in the War Claims Fund at present? 

* Question No. 281, by Mr. Cashin, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What changes are contemplated in the building programme of the federal 
government in the District of St. John's West, in consequence of the govern- 
ment reduction in spending? 

2. What part of this programme will be carried out in St. John's West? 

Question No. 284, by Mr. Maclnnis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many persons with less than 20 years' regular and wartime service 
have been released with pension from each of the armed services during each 
of the years since 1955? 

2. Were any of these persons released because of inefficiency or misconduct 
and, if so, how many in each year, in each service, and for what reason? 

3. How many persons with over 20 years' regular and wartime service have 
been honourably released from each of the armed services without entitlement 
to a pension since 1955? 

Question No. 285, by Mr. Maclnnis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Would the government indicate if it is their intention to introduce sup- 
port prices for farm-cut pulpwood? 

2. Has the government studied the question of the prices paid for pulp since 
the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission investigation of a few years ago? 

3. Has the government received any representations on this matter in rela- 
tion to the price paid for pulpwood in the Maritime Provinces and, if so, when, 
from whom, and to what effect? 

Question No. 295, by Mr. MacEachen, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Have any cutbacks in current expenditures been authorized in the 
Indian Affairs Branch, or any other department of government, connected with 
Indian Affairs as a result of the general policy of the government to reduce 
outlays? 

Question No. 299, by Mr. Peters, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many railway crossings are there in Canada in each of the following 
categories (a) first-class highways (b) second-class highways, and (c) second- 
ary roads? 

2. How many in the Riding of Timiskaming? 

3. How many of these are protected by (a) light and/or signal (b) under- 
passes (c) overpasses? 

4. Is it a policy of the Department of Transport to authorize new highway 
construction without demanding an overpass or underpass? 

Question No. 318, by Mr. Frenette, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What works are being carried out at the present time by the federal 
government in the County of Portneuf ? 

2. What are the names of the contractors carrying out these works? 

3. What sum of money has been granted for each such work? 



132 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Question No. 321, by Mr. Berger, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Since the Civil Service Regulations under the new Civil Service Act 
came into effect on April 1, 1962, have any employees working in X-Ray depart- 
ments of federal hospitals been found to be in need of leave because of exposure 
to radioactivity and, if so, how many? 

2. In each case (a) when was the finding made (b) when did the employee's 
leave begin (c) what was the length of each employee's leave? 

3. How often do physical examinations of such employees take place? 

Question No. 327, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What is the average retirement age of regular Army personnel, and 
what is the average length of service? 

2. Are retired Army personnel subject to recall? 

3. How many Army, Navy and Air Force personnel have been retired from 
Active Service since April 1, 1961? 

4. Did the government consult with the NATO Command prior to August 
24, 1962, when the Minister of National Defence announced cuts in the Canadian 
Armed Forces? 

* Question No. 334, by Mr. Beaule, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What amount of money has Mrs. Jeanne Sauve earned with the Cana- 
dian Broadcasting Corporation since she has been employed by the said Corpora- 
tion? 

2. Is Mrs. Jeanne Sauve the wife of the honourable Member for iles-de-la- 
Madeleine? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 352, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: With respect to the answer given to Question 31 on October 17 and the 573 
people of Chinese origin referred to therein who were granted certificates of 
citizenship between January 1 and June 30, 1962, and to the period of time 
which elapses between the exam for citizenship before a Judge and the issuance 
of the said certificate, what period of that time lapsed with respect to each of 
the said people of Chinese origin expressed by groups in units of weeks and/or 
years, as the case may be? 

Question No. 360, by Mr. Godin, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Did the government, directly or indirectly, or any Agency or Crown Cor- 
poration, purchase any Canadian nickel in the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 
and, if so, what quantities, and for what amount in each of the said years for 
(a) defence production (b) research (c) international aid (such as, Colombo 
Plan, etc.) (d) for all other purposes? 

Question No. 375, by Mr. Perron, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Have the municipal authorities of St-Georges-East, County of Beauce, 
applied to the Postmaster General to have door-to-door delivery and, what 
are the Department's intentions in that regard? 

2. What is the total maintenance cost of the Post Office of St-Georges-West? 

3. What decision has been reached concerning the construction of a post 
office in Beauceville? 

4. What was the price paid for the land purchased for the said post office? 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 22nd OCTOBER 133 

On the Order being read: "House again in Committee of Ways and Means", 
the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) raised a 
point of order to the effect that, as the said Order was read for the purpose of 
allowing the Honourable the Minister of Finance (Mr. Nowlan) to make the 
Budget Presentation in accordance with the provision of section (1) of Stand- 
ing Order 58, the Speaker could not leave the Chair without first putting the 
question: "That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair". 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: With the greatest deference to the honourable Member for 
Winnipeg North Centre, I do not know whether he is able to read the mind of 
the Minister of Finance at this time but there is nothing which indicates to me 
either by a direct statement from the Minister of Finance or otherwise that he 
or any other Minister intends to make a Budget Presentation in the accepted 
sense of the term. That being the case, how can the Chair avoid the direction 
of the peremptory portion of Standing Order 58, the opening portion? 

That is the difficulty the Chair faces at the moment. There is no latitude 
given to the Chair but for this one exception cited in the subsection, concerning 
which I have no knowledge, no indication, and certainly no statement from the 
Minister of Finance. Thus, with all due respect to the honourable Member, I 
am in the same position, I submit, as he is. Until the Minister of Finance says 
he is going to make a Budget Presentation, I have no alternative but to follow 
the rules and leave the Chair, and that is what I propose to do. 

And debate continuing on the point of order; 

Mr. Speaker: On this point it is not that I am going to make a ruling at 
this moment and declare that any further discussion is superfluous, but I 
would like to direct the attention of honourable Members to the point, that 
what we have here is a question of order and it is not the question of the merits 
or demerits of whether there should be discussion or not. The question is 
whether, under this procedure that is proposed at the moment, the Speaker 
shall leave the Chair or not. 

That is the narrow point of order, and I certainly would not be the one 
to say whether there is ample or insufficient opportunity to discuss the matters 
referred to. That is not the proposition at this moment. The ruling is in the 
light of the Standing Order, and I would earnestly submit to honourable 
Members that they should direct their attention to that point. 

I have allowed pretty free discussion on both sides on that particular 
question, but I think we should come back to the interpretation of the Order 
as it is listed on the Order Paper — the effect of Standing Order 58 — and also 
what are the requirements to go into a Budget Presentation as it affects the 
Speaker. 

And debate continuing on the point of order; 

Mr. Speaker: As I said, it is not my purpose to deal with the merits of 
whether or not there shall be discussion. That is quite extraneous to the point 
of order. I would have hoped that honourable Members would have held them- 
selves to that point. 

We are faced here with Order No. 27 on the Order Paper, "House again in 
Committee of Ways and Means". We then deal with Standing Order 58, 
which, upon the House going into Committee of Ways and Means, says "Mr. 



134 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Speaker shall leave" — "shall leave"; this is mandatory, peremptory on the 
Chair — "the Chair without question put". There is then the proviso about 
the Budget Presentation. 

I would draw to the attention of honourable Members the fact that on a 
Budget Presentation there is a motion made by the Minister of Finance "That 
the Speaker do now leave the Chair". No such motion is before this House. 
Further, I would submit to honourable Members that Mr. Speaker has no 
authority to compel any member of the government to propose a motion. If 
the Minister of Finance does not propose the motion, "That the Speaker do now 
leave the Chair", nor do any of his colleagues, then we are not into what I 
can only term a Budget Presentation, because while honourable Members on 
all sides of the House might have their own opinion as to what may be coming, 
the Chair cannot anticipate what is coming. Therefore, I cannot rule that there 
is to follow a Budget Presentation. 

In the light of that, therefore, I rule that the first portion of Standing 
Order 58 will apply and I have no alternative but to leave the Chair; and 
that is what I propose to do. 



Accordingly, the House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and 

Means ; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



IPrivate Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)1 



(Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 3 having been called for the first time was allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 

Mr. Stefanson, seconded by Mr. Forbes, moved, — That the government 
should consider the expediency of amending the Canada Elections Act to pro- 
vide for the establishment of a permanent list of electors, with biannual revi- 
sions thereof, as now exists for instance in the United Kingdom and in Australia, 
in lieu of the present method of preparing and revising lists of electors at each 
general election, so as to permit shortening the period of time between the 
issue of the writs of elections and the date the said writs are made returnable. 
— (Notice of Motion No. 4). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Ways and Means resumed, and progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 22nd OCTOBER 135 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions" to enable the 
Right Honourable the Prime Minister to make a statement. 

And after some time; 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Bell (Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by 
command of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department 
of Citizenship and Immigration for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 7 of the Department of Citizenship and Immigration Act, chapter 67, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 17, 1962 (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 20) for a copy of all letters, dated since August 9, 1962, 
from the Minister of Justice to the Chairman and/or other Members of the 
Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, and also a copy of all letters, since 
the same date, from the Chairman and/or other Members of the said Com- 
mission to the Minister of Justice. 

By Mr. Monteith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Operation of Agreements with the Provinces under the Hospital Insurance and 
Diagnostic Services Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to sec- 
tion 9 of the said Act, chapter 28, Statutes of Canada, 1957. (French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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Prayers. 



By unanimous consent, the following Question appearing on yesterday's 
Order Paper was made an Order for Return under the provisions of Standing 
Order 39(4): 

Question No. 342, by Mr. Maclnnis, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Has any representation been received from the New Waterford 
Barrachois Improvement Association asking the government for assistance in 
developing a permanent commercial fishing industry in this area and, if so, 
what action does the government plan to take in this regard? 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

\_Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 {3)"] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-4, An Act respecting 
Canadian Pacific Railway Company; 

Mr. Ormiston, seconded by Mr. Hanbidge, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 



138 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 

{Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-8, An Act respecting 
the Jurisdiction of the Exchequer Court of Canada; 

Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members* Business expired. 

The Committee of Ways and Means resumed, and progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to 
an Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962 (Question No. 175) showing: 
1. What quantities of grains have been exported through each of the 
harbours of Vancouver-New Westminster, Victoria, Prince Rupert, Churchill, 
Fort William-Port Arthur, Toronto, Kingston, Montreal, Sorel, Trois-Rivieres, 
Quebec, Baie Comeau, Saint John, West Saint John, and Halifax, for the crop 
year 1960-61 for (a) wheat (b) oats (c) barley (d) rye (e) flax (f) total? 

2. What quantities of the above grains have been delivered for domestic 
use, during each of the eleven crop years from 1950-51 to 1960-61 inclusive 
(a) in each of the said harbours (b) in each of the other places in Canada not 
included above? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Report to Parliament of the Civil Service Commission 
on Positions Excluded in Whole or in Part from the Operation of the Civil 
Service Act for the period January 1 to March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 
60(2) of the said Act, chapter 48, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Report to Parliament of the Civil Service Commission 
on Positions and Persons Excluded in Whole or in Part from the Operation, 
under section 74, of the Civil Service Act, and Appointments made without 
Competition under section 25 of the Act, for the period April 1 to August 31, 
1962, pursuant to section 76(2) of the said Act, chapter 57, Statutes of Canada, 
1960-61. (English and French). 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Two hundred and eighty-five petitions for Private Bills were presented in 
accordance with Standing Order 70(1). 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

* Question No. 379, by Mr. Bechard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: In the current financial year were any public works planned for the 
District of Bonaventure and, if so (a) where was it intended to proceed with 
them (b) what was the amount involved in each case (c) as of this date, 
have all these works been completed or are they in progress (d) has the 
austerity program affected any of the projects? 

Question No. 388, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Since January 1, 1962, have any representations been received by the 
government or any department thereof for a contribution toward the expansion 
of the Aquarium in Vancouver's Stanley Park, and was one of these representa- 
tions from the Vancouver Public Aquarium Association? 

2. What answer was given to those representations, is a contribution to 
be made and, if so, how much and when? 

Question No. 395, by Mr. Dupuis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many cadets attend the Military College at (a) St- Jean (b) King- 
ston (c) Royal Roads? 

2. How many English-speaking cadets and French-speaking cadets are there 
in each of these Colleges? 



140 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

3. How many officers and professors are there in each of these Colleges? 

4. Of these officers and professors, how many are proficient in both official 
languages of Canada? 

Mr. Sevigny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



On motion of Mr. Lewis, seconded by Mr. Brewin, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between 
the Government of Canada or any Minister, department or agency thereof and 
the International Monetary Fund, the Export Import Bank, the Federal Reserve 
Bank and the Bank of England concerning Canada's exchange reserves, dated 
since May 1, 1962, and any documents or memoranda referred to in such cor- 
respondence or otherwise exchanged between the government and the institu- 
tions named herein. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 7). 



On motion of Mr. Laing, seconded by Mr. Carter, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between 
any and all Departments of the Government of Canada and all governmental 
Departments and agencies in the United States dealing with the export of 
Canadian lumber to the United States. — {Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 11). 



On motion of Mr. Benidickson, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, it was ordered, 
— That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence since 
January 1, 1962, between the Government of Canada and the Government 
of Ontario respecting a proposed 'road to resources' out from the Werner- 
Gordon Lakes nickel mining territory and referred to by the Minister of 
Northern Affairs and National Resources on February 28, 1962, Hansard 
page 1339. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 13). 

Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Address. 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers {No. 23) having been called 
was allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, 
and other documents exchanged between the federal government and any other 
government or agency, department or branch thereof, since January 1, 1959, 
relating to an economic or feasibility survey to examine the possibilities of 
establishing a salt-water port at Moosonee. — {Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 24). 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 24th OCTOBER 141 

On motion of Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Byrne, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House copies of all statements or speeches made by 
the Minister of Agriculture from April 1, 1962, to Ontario and Quebec dairy 
farmers concerning the production of and price support for dairy products. 
— {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 26). 



On motion of Mr. Cardin for Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Habel, it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a Table listing particulars of 
merchant vessels for which a ship-building subsidy assistance has been paid or 
for which contracts have been approved, as of October 15, 1962, covering the 
shipyard, the name of the vessel, the type of vessel, the approved capital cost, 
the amount of the subsidy, the gross tonnage, and the name of the owner, in the 
same manner as outlined in Table VI, Appendix 'T" of the Fifteenth Report 
of the Canadian Maritime Commission, June 29, 1962. — {Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 27). 



■ On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of a summary of discus- 
sions and points of view and the decisions made at each meeting of the National 
Productivity Council. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 28). 



On motion of Mr. Turner, seconded by Mr. Cashin, it was ordered, — - 
That there be laid before this House a copy of a table showing, day-by- 
day, the amount of the forward commitments entered into by the Bank of Can- 
ada to buy or sell U.S. dollars or pounds sterling, from April 9 to June 24, 1962, 
inclusive. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 29). 



On motion of Mr. Turner, seconded by Mr. Cashin, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a statement of the total official holdings 
of gold and foreign exchange, including U.S. dollars, held in the Exchange 
Fund Account and Bank of Canada at the beginning of business on April 9, 
1962.^ (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 30). . 



On motion of Mr. Turner, seconded by Mr. Cashin, it was ordered,— 
That there be laid before this House a statement of the total forward commit- 
ments to buy or sell U.S. dollars or pounds sterling, entered into by the Bank 
of Canada, as at the beginning of business on April 9, 1962. — {Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 31). ^?-?. .:. 



On motion of Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Byrne, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all communications addressed 
to the Food and Drug Directorate or to the Department of National Health 
and Welfare respecting the use, and the withdrawal from use, of the drug 
Lysergic acid diethylamide.- — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 32). 



142 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-68, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1963. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Marcoux, seconded by Mr. Bernier, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should give consideration to amending the Family 
Allowances Act to provide that, when otherwise qualified, a child shall not be 
deprived of allowance during a temporary period of absence from Canada while 
his parents are in attendance at an educational institution. — (Notice of Motion 
No. 3), 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Pilon, moved in amendment thereto, — That 
the following words be added to the motion: "and that family allowances be 
paid beyond sixteen years of age to the age of twenty-one years if the child 
is a student in an institution of learning." 

And debate arising thereon and continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House dated October 15, 1962 (*Question No. 77) showing: 
1. Does the Federal Government spend money directly or indirectly on research 
into the causes of and cures for alcoholism? 

2. If so, what agencies receive these moneys, and what amounts were allo- 
cated for this purpose in 1960, 1961 and 1962? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House dated October 15, 
1962 {*Question No. 218) showing: 1. Was any decision made before June 18, 
1962, to reduce any of the regular Estimates for the fiscal year 1962-63 laid 
before the last Parliament and, if so, on what date was such a decision made, 
and what total sum was involved? 

2. Was the National Research Council asked to make any reduction in its 
Estimates? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House dated October 15, 
1962 (* Question No. 220) showing: 1. What is the annual cost of all our armed 
forces serving in Canada and outside Canada? 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 24th OCTOBER 143 

2. What annual amount is paid for pensions to veterans of the First World 
War, and to widows and dependants of servicemen of the Second World War? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 17, 1962, 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 3) for a copy of all cor- 
respondence and documents dealing with the Gold Rush Festival exchanged 
between the Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources or officials of 
his Department and the Chairman of the Gold Rush Festival Committee or the 
President of the Dawson City Festival Foundation. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 






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No. 20 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Thirty- one petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

25th October, 1962. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, P.C, 
Chief Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the 
Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 25th October 
at 5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Connmons. 

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146 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-5, An Act respecting The Eastern Trust Company. — Mr. Morris. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Mr. Starr, seconded by Mr. O'Hurley, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-70, An Act to provide for the Safety of Persons Employed in Federal 
Works, Undertakings and Businesses, which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Starr, seconded by Mr. O'Hurley, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure respecting industrial change 
and manpower adjustment; to provide for the organization and maintenance of 
a Manpower Consultation Service; to provide also for the payment of assess- 
ment incentives for carrying out manpower adjustment programs; to provide 
further for the entering into agreements providing for the payment by Canada 
respecting a labour mobility incentive; and to establish a council called the 
"Advisory Council on Industrial Change and Manpower Adjustment" and to 
provide for the Chairman's remuneration and for certain expenses of the 
members of the Council. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

{^Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)1 

INotices of Motions iPapers)^ 

By unanimous consent, at the request of the government, it was ordered 
that Item No. 16 under this heading in the name of Mr. Martin (Essex East) 
be allowed to stand and retain its precedence until Thursday, November 8, 
1962, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 19(1). 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-11, An Act to 
amend the Trans-Canada Highway Act (Canada Highways); 

Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Prittie, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 



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THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER 



147 



Whereupon the Parhamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works 
(Mr. McCleave) raised a point of order to the effect that, as the bill contained 
a money provision, it was not open to any Private Member to present such 
a bill. 

And debate arising on the point of order; 

Mr. Speaker ruled that the point of order was well taken and that, as the 
bill could only be introduced upon the recommendation of the Crown and after 
a resolution had been adopted in a Committee of the Whole, the bill was not 
in order. 

From this Ruling the honourable Member for Skeena (Mr. Howard) 
appealed to the House. 

And the Members having been called in; 

Mr. Speaker reported that the question was an appeal to the House from 
the above Ruling. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker; "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 
division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Addison, 
Aiken, 
Alkenbrack, 
Asselin, 
Badanai, 
Balcer, 
Baldwin, 
Baskin, 
Batten, 
Beaule, 
Bechard, 
Belanger, 
Bell (Carleton), 
Bell (Saint John- 
Albert), 
Belzile, 
Benson, 
Bigg, 

Boulanger, 
Bourbonnais, 
Boutin, 
Bradley, 
Brown, 
Byrne, 
Cadieu, 
Cadieux, 
Cantin, 
Caouette, 
Cardin, 
Caron, 
Carter, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 
Chaplin, 
Chatterton, 

27509-9— lU 



Chevrier, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Clermont, 

Clunis, 

Coates, 

Cook, 

Cooper, 

Cowan, 

Crossman, 

Crouse, 

Davis, 

Denis, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Doucett, 

Drouin, 

Drury, 

Dupuis, 

English, 

Ethier, 

Eudes, 

Fairclough (Mrs.), 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fleming (Eglinton), 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Flemming (Victoria' 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Foy, 
Fulton. 



Gagnon, 

Garland, 

Gauthier, 

Grafftey, 

Granger, 

Gray, 

Green, 

Gregoire, 

Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Habel, 

Hales, 

Halpenny, 

Hamilton, 

Hanbidge, 

Harkness, 

Harley, 

Hees, 

Hellyer, 

Hodgson, 

Honey, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Horner (The 

Battlefords), 
Howe, 
Jorgenson, 
Kelly, 
•Kennedy, 
Kindt, 
•Korchinski, 
LaMarsh (Miss), 
Lamoureux, 
Lamy, 
Langlois, 



Laniel, 

Laprise, 

Latulippe, 

Leboe, 

Legare, 

Legere, 

Lessard (Lac-Saint- 
Jean), 

Letourneau, 

Macdonald (Mrs.), 

Macdonald 
(Rosedale), 

MacEachen, 

MacEwan, 

Mackasey, 

MacLean (Queens), 

Macnaughton, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

McCleave, 

McGee, 

McGrath, 

Mcintosh, 

McLean (Charlotte), 

McMillan, 

McPhillips, 

McWilliam, 

Maltais, 

Mandziuk, 

Marcoux, 

Martin (Essex East), 

Matheson, 

Matte, 

Millar, 



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HOUSE OF COMMONS 



11 ELIZABETH II 



Mitchell, 


Paul, 


Rowe, 


Stenson, 


Monteith, 


Pennell, 


Roxburgh, 


Stewart, 


Moore, 


Perron, 


Roy, 


Tardif, 


More, 


Philhps, 


Ryan, 


TeiUet, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Pickersgill, 


Rynard, 


Thomas, 


North and 


Pigeon, 


Sams, 


Thompson, 


Victoria), 


PUon, 


Sevigny, 


Tucker, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Plourde, 


Skoreyko, 


Turner, 


Munro, 


Pugh, 


Slogan, 


Valade, 


Nasserden, 


Rapp, 


Smallwood, 


Vincent, 


Nesbitt, 


Ricard, 


Smith (Calgary 


Wahn, 


Nicholson, 


Richard, 


South), 


Walker, 


Nielsen, 


Rinfret, 


Smith (Simcoe 


Webb, 


Nowlan, 


Robinson, 


North), 


Weichel, 


Nugent, 


Rock, 


Southam, 


Whelan, 


O'Hurley, 


Rondeau, 


Starr, 


Winkler, 


Ormiston, 


Rouleau, 


Stefanson, 


WooUiams — 195. 


Pascoe, 




Nays 
Messrs: 




Barnett, 


Fisher, 


Knowles, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Brewin, 


Herridge, 


Lewis, 


Orlikow, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- Howard, 


Maclnnis, 


Prittie, 


Cowichan-The 






Scott, 


Islands), 






Webster— 14. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable the 
Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following 
bill: 

*An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1963'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy of His 
l^xcellency the Governoip General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, 
and assents to this bill." «;: 



t 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER 149 

The Committee of Ways and Means resumed, and progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House dated October 15, 1962, {*Question No. 136) showing: What 
has been the total storage cost for butter oil and/or butter stock in (a) 1958 
(b) 1959 (c) 1960 (d) 1961 (c) 1962? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 174) showing: 1. In connection with the import of fruits 
and vegetables from the United States into British Columbia, what volume in 
millions of pounds of the following produce was imported during 1961 and to 
date in 1962: (a) apples (fresh) (b) peaches (fresh) (c) tomatoes (fresh) 
(d) strawberries (fresh) (e) carrots (/) onions (g) potatoes (h) tomatoes 
(canned)? 

2. How many processing and canning plants in the Okanagan area of 
British Columbia in the past ten years have been bought out by United States 
firms and closed down? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House dated October 17, 
1962, (Question No. 188) showing: 1. What is the quantity of butter held in 
storage at the present time? 

2. Where are storage warehouses located, what quantity is there in each 
warehouse, and what is the monthly rental and other cost for each such 
warehouse? 

3. Has a large quantity of butter been transformed into butter oil and, 
if so, how does the government intend to dispose of it? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 232) showing: During the first nine months of the years 
1961 and 1962 (a) what has been the production of butter in Canada (b) what 
has been the consumption of butter (c) what amount of premium has the 
government paid on the said consumption? 

Eighth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 

as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on October 24 by Mr. Mandziuk, meet the 
requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Marylin Jean Moore Alie, wife of John Alie of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Ann Marguerite Christie Allaway, wife of Russell Edward Allaway 
of Lachine, Quebec. 

John Andre Anderson of St. Leonard-de-Port-Maurice, Quebec, husband 
of Elizabeth Augusta Margaretha Jarschel Anderson. 

Ruth Diana Williams Andrews, wife of Douglas Frank Andrews of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Roger Bernard Angel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Yvonne 
Suzanne Boyer Angel. 



150 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Ida Christina Amalia Helena Koel Arsenault, wife of Andre Joseph Arse- 
nault of the Province of Quebec. 

Laurier Allain of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Mildred Butler Allain. 

Juliana Magdelene Rothlaender Ashley, wife of Charles William Ashley of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Etienne Auclair of Otterburn Heights, Quebec, husband of Andree Dion 
Auclair. 

Alphonse Audet of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gracia Gagnon Audet. 

Paul Romain Bernard Babeu of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria 
Jeannette L'ltalien, dit St. Laurent Babeu. 

Edouard Joseph Armand Baril of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Therese Bibiane Noel Baril. 

Alfred Bartlett of Ile-Perrot, Quebec, husband of Jeannette Jodoin Bartlett. 

Catherine Marie MacDonald Beaton, wife of Arthur Francis Beaton of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Lionel Ernest Lucien Beaulieu of Boucherville, Quebec, husband 
of Marie Antoinette Hamelin Beaulieu. 

Therese Dube Beaulieu, wife of Romeo Beaulieu of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kathleen Edna Hayden Belchem, wife of Ronald William Belchem of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Ernest Andre Bergeron of MontresQ, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Rejeanne Francoise Therese Francoeur Bergeron. 

William Billington of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Muriel Turner Billington. 

Diane Lillian Kirkus Black, wife of Bruce Andrew Black of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Pamela Mcintosh Blair, wife of Alexander Wallace Anthony Blair of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Elaine Rolbin Bloom, wife of Bernard Bloom of Westmount, Quebec. 

Eva Livia Iranyi Blumberger, wife of Ferenc Blumberger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Idolard Bouchard of Nouvelle, Quebec, husband of Antoinette Babi- 
neau Bouchard. 

Jean Robert Boucher of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Gisele Brisebois 
Boucher. 

Richard Price Bradley of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Joan Allen Bradley. 

Anna Annette Elofer Brahmi, wife of Alfred Emile Isaac Brahmi of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Georgiana Bull Brasseur, wife of Robert Brasseur of Montreal, Quebec. 

Thomas Wesley Brimacombe of the Province of Quebec, husband of Marie 
Emelie Valcourt Brimacombe. 

Robert Brooks of Duvernay, Quebec, husband of Ludmilla Elissa Topolnicki 
Brooks. 

Edward Brown of Dorval, Quebec, husband of Ginette Cameron Brown. 

Sheila Muriel Flynn Burland, wife of Haskell Rosino Burland of Town of 
Mount Royal. 

Linda Alice Gardner Burrows, wife of Michael Heber Burrows of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rochelle Pleet Caplan, wife of Allan Steven Caplan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Daniel Gaston Jules Caron of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Yolande 
Fouquart Caron. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER 151 

Michael Chabotar of Ville St-Pierre, Quebec, husband of Marie Therese 
Ash Chabotar. 

Edgar Louis Chaddock of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Celina Van Loy 
Chaddock. 

Elizabeth Anne Rennie Chadwick-Rider, wife of Clifford John Chadwick- 
Rider of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Ann Hinman Charlow, wife of John William Charlow of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elmer Stephen Cheverie of Montreal, husband of Leona Bernice Roach 
Cheverie. 

Elizabeth Heather MacNicoll Clayton, wife of Peter Clayton of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Humphreys Clewes, wife of Richard Clewes of Montreal, Quebec. 

William James Coade of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marguerite Forget 
Coade. 

Edie (Etta) Kaufman Cohen, wife of Husmond (Hy) Cohen of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rose Frishling Cohen, wife of Ronald Cohen of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Marjorie Gallant Collins, wife of John Walter Collins of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Anna Csillag, wife of Franz Csillag of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mildred Niren (Nirenberg) Cubitz, wife of Allan Cubitz of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Judith MacBeth Complin Cuggy, wife of Kenneth Douglas Cuggy of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Doreen Klara Whitehouse Culmer, wife of Ronald Herbert Henry Culmer 
of Sorel, Quebec. 

Christina Ilene Burns Cunningham, wife of Douglas Cunningham of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Rosemarie Bohn Dalgleish, wife of Philip Francis Dalgleish of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Ruby Emma Clough Davies, wife of John Lewellyn Davies of Montreal- 
West, Quebec. 

Gita Joy Kaplan Davis, wife of A. Mortimer Davis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ruth Ensor Decosse, wife of Robert Decose of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rose Mancuso Defosses, wife of Poly dor (Paul) Defosses of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Marie Aline Denise Rainville de Muys, wife of Joseph Alphonse Jean Ray- 
mond de Muys of Westmount, Quebec. 

Edgar Dietrich of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Liselotte Margot Irmscher 
Dietrich. 

Antonio Di Paola of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Margherita Tirelli Di 
Paola. 

Thomas Wesley Dixon of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Raymonde 
Camille Corbeil Dixon. 

Marilyn Wexelman Dobrofsky, wife of Irving Dobrofsky of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie Tarcile Rosalie Yvette Gratton Dorion, wife of Joseph Arthur Ovila 
Dorion of Montreal, Quebec. 



152 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Edward Dorozowsky of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Tatiana Roxolana 
Diduch Dorozowsky. 

Neilson Harold Dowsley of Town of Pincourt, Quebec, husband of Mary 
Ellen Hayden Dowsley. 

Alexandra Hunievicz Dublanski, wife of Joseph Dublanski of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Paul Andre Clement Robert Dubois of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Mireille Suzanne Jacquet Dubois. 

Doreen Dreyer Kane Eastwood, wife of Bruce David Eastwood of Lachine, 
Quebec. 

Marcheta Lino Griffith Edwards, wife of Gerald Willoughby Edwards of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Madeleine Priscilla Deane Suckling Everall, wife of Peter Robert Newall 
Everall of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marlene Judith Doubilet Feinstein, wife of Bernard Feinstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gwynneth Margaret MacLeod Forget, wife of Joseph Pierre Arsene Forget 
of Pierrefonds, Quebec. 

Heidi Gertrude Kuss Foster, wife of Gerald McAuslan Foster of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Pauline Abrams Foster, wife of Alexander Foster of Ste. Agathe, Quebec. 

Marie Aline Martine Boucher France, wife of Sidney T. France of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Cowan Lecky Frawley, wife of Lawrence Patrick Frawley of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Gaston Joseph Gagnon of Ste. Foy, Quebec, husband of Marietta Gabrielle 
Gagnon. 

Audrey Gertrude East Gallant, wife of Robert Ian Gallant of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

William Robert Galley of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Shelley Elizabeth 
Parsons Galley. 

Mortimer Joseph Garelick of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ruth Monik 
Lise Roy Garelick. 

Giovanna (Joan) Salvatore Garley, wife of Richard Joseph Christopher 
Garley of Montreal, Quebec. 

Armand Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Parent 
Gauthier. 

Marie Madeleine Lydia Laflamme Gauvin, wife of Ronald Joseph Gauvin 
of Fabreville, Quebec. 

John Stewart Geddie of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Heather Alice Kelly 
Geddie. 

Magdeleine Tetrault Geoffrion, wife of Louis Pierre Tancrede Geoffrion of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Therese Harnois Geraldeau, wife of Richard Geraldeau of Verdun, Quebec. 

Gordon Gibb of Granby, Quebec, husband of Georgette Carmen Nolin 
Gibb. 

Amy Sandra Jaques Glendinning, wife of Gerald Ronald Glendinning of 
Hudson, Quebec. 

Marie Yvonne Lucie Robillard Godard, wife of Joseph Arthur Jean Godard 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lise Bergeron Goulet, wife of Jean Goulet of Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER 153 

Joseph Honore Goyer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Rose Baignee 
Goyer. 

Elizabeth Boulay Gray, wife of Robert Gray of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edith Diane Shapiro Greenberg, wife of Seymour Bernard Greenberg of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Leonard Greenfield of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Sheila (Harris) 
Horowitz Greenfield. 

Mary Noreen Smith Griffith, wife of Austin Frederic Griffith of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Francesco Grilli of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Barbara Atkinson Grilli. 

Marcel Guindon of Quebec, Quebec, husband of Diane Richard Guindon. 

Julianna Barta Gulyas, wife of Zoltan Gulyas of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margaret Elizabeth Taylor Hall, wife of John Henry Hall of Outremont, 
Quebec. 

Graham Campbell Harris of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Edna Mary 
Davies Harris. 

Margaret Anne Honey Harvey, wife of Edmund Gifford Harvey of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Bernard Hebert of Greenfield Park, Quebec, husband of Helen Rudolph 
Hebert. 

Barbara Ann Murray Heffernan, wife of Anthony Lawrence Heffernan of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Edith Maksim Herman, wife of Thomas Joseph Herman of Prevost, Quebec. 

Abie (Allan) Herscovitch of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Fannie (Fay) 
Green Herscovitch. 

Patricia McKernan Hilton, wife of Brian Hilton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Richard Wilfrid Earl Hogan of Cote St. Luc, Quebec, husband of Mary 
Margaret McAleer Hogan. 

June Eleanor Elvidge Holgate, wife of Donald Harold Holgate of Green- 
field Park, Quebec. 

Gertraud Hofmann Holzer, wife of Kurt Joseph Holzer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Franklin Dale Hufford of Chomedy, Quebec, husband of Geraldine Anne 
Milner Hufford. 

John Joseph Huitson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Noel Huitson. 

Jill Stott Iliescui-Constantine, wife of Rodric Radu Mircea Iliescui-Cons- 
tantine of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Sarah Waring James, wife of John William James of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Antonello Javicoli of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Silvana Strapazinni 
Javicoli. 

Eileen Patricia Sullivan Johnston, wife of Thomas Johnston of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Beverley Anne Basford Jones, wife of Eric Thomas Jones of Pierrefonds, 
Quebec. 

Cacilie Johanna Friederike Hagedorn Kaatz, wife of Herbert Kaatz of St. 
Laurent, Quebec. 

Arlene June Roy Kaczur, wife of Gerald Joseph Kaczur of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

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154 HOUSE OF COMMONS U ELIZABETH H 

Madeleine Cantin Kallweit, wife of Paul Horst Kallweit of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Regina Brauner Kamin, wife of Isak dit Jack Kamin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Wasyl Kaprian of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anna Szwyhar (Yani- 
^hewska) Kaprian. 

Phyllis Wishnowski Kara, wife of Julius Kara of Montreal, Quebec. 

Dorothea Margaret Fleming Kay, wife of Robert Taylor Kay of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Marie Louise Renz Kern, wife of Constant Kern of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edna Mae Hollindale Kirk, wife of Charles Henry Kirk of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Irene Collier Klinger, wife of William Bernard Klinger of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Reid Studd Koken, wife of Bernd-Krafft Koken of Granby, Quebec. 

Eli Kraus of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Rozin Kraus. 

Morris Alexander Kulba of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eugenia Yanchak 
Kulba. 

Lillian Cere Kulczycki, wife of Steve Kulczycki of Montreal, Quebec. 

Pierre Lacasse of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Huguette Leblanc Lacasse. 

Monique Nicole Theriault Ladouceur, wife of Joseph Henri Hubert Ladou- 
ceur of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Marcel Andre Laforge of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Alice Boilard Laforge. 

Evelyn Alberta Florence Cere Lalonde, wife of Joseph Aime Arcidas 
Roland Lalonde of Lafleche, Quebec. 

Hubert Langlois of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Yolande Vermette 
Langlois. 

Antoinette Raymonde Francoise Joseph dit Teyssier Lapointe, wife of 
Joseph Jean Louis Rene Audet dit Lapointe of Montreal, Quebec. 

Micheline Gagnon Laporte, wife of Paul Emile Laporte of Longueuil, 
Quebec. 

Louise Beausoleil Lavigne, wife of Gilbert Lavigne of Cote St. Paul, 
Quebec. 

Philippe Lebeau of Ville LaSalle, Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Pilon 
Lebeau. 

Joseph Maurice Real Lecompte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Rose Dolores Helene Turenne Lecompte. 

Ada Josephine Ford Lejeune, wife of Ronald Lome Lejeune of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Yvonne St. Aubin Lemieux, wife of Roland Lemieux of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ginette Ingrid Reiskind Leopold, wife of Monroe Paul Leopold of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis Marie Walsh Lessard, wife of Aurelien Joseph Lessard of Montreal- 
East, Quebec. 

Moe Levin of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Bette Nobleman Levin. 

Hans Ulrich Lewin of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Lesley Patricia 
Weston Roxburgh Lewin. 

Jean Bernard L'Heureux of Ville LeMoyne, Quebec, husband of Monique 
St. Germain L'Heureux. 

Rhoda Bregman Lipschutz, wife of Jerome Leonard Lipschutz of Cote St. 
Luc, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER 155 

Lee Litwack Leopold, wife of Henry Leslie Leopold of Westmount, Quebec. 

Norma Margaret Bonter Smith Lockwood, wife of Robert Orville Lockwood 
of Dorval, Quebec. 

William John Loke of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Verna Irene Loke. 

Gilbert Long of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Helene Hebert Long. 

Ella Jane Ward Lyon, wife of John Arthur Lyon of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Mabo of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elizabeth Miriam Allen 
Mabo. 

Patricia Marjorie Fulton Maisonet, wife of Harold Edward Maisonet of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Margaret Alguire Mallette, wife of James Morrow Mallette of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Barbara Ruth Neale Mann, wife of John Clifford Mann of Montreal, Quebec. 

George Mantadakis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Paraskevi Dogatzi 
Mantadakis. 

Irene Elizabeth Marchesseau Malloch, wife of Thomas Daniel Malloch of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Robert Fernand Marcoux of Lachine, Quebec, husband of June Patricia 
Lyon Marcoux. 

Soshy Judith Teicher Marcovitz, wife of Jessel (Jason) Benjamin Marco- 
vitz of Outremont, Quebec. 

George Markozanis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Fotini Pilihou Mar- 
kozanis. 

Vickie Weinberg Marks, wife of Barry Allan Marks of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Elijah Marshalluk of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Rose Anna Baillar- 
geon Marshalluk. 

Joseph Alfred Michel Andre Pierre Mercier of Chateauguay Basin, Quebec, 
husband of Maureen Lillian Conlin Mercier. 

Fleur-Aimee Marie Liette Ranger Methot, wife of William Paul Methot of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Rene Gerard Michel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Blanche 
Jeannette St. Laurent Michel. 

Werner Burke Michelsen of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Irene Eliza- 
beth Moon Michelsen. 

Giselle Mir on Mignault, wife of Jean (Jack) Mignault of Montreal, Quebec. 

Carroll Lynne Cavey Milette, wife of Jean Pierre Milette of Pointe-Claire, 
Quebec. 

George Mintasky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anita Villa Mintasky. 
Eleni Tzougaraki Mitakis, wife of Draganikos Mitakis of Verdun, Quebec. 

Suzanne Piuze Moreau, wife of Charles Edouard Moreau of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph William Alfonse Morency of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elva 
Eileen Linford Morency. 

Vilma Kirby Morris, wife of Albert Reginald Morris of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Kathleen Alice Priestley Morrow, wife of Harold Morrow of Beaurepaire, 
Quebec. 

Doreen Eleanor Bishop Mulcahy, wife of Stanley Leo Francis Mulcahy of 
Montreal, Quebec. 
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156 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Olive Brown Mulcahy, wife of Thomas Mulcahy of Verdun, Quebec. 

Thelma Joanette Lawless MacDonald, wife of John Francis MacDonald of 
the Province of Quebec. 

Margaret Meredith Cape MacDougall, wife of Robert Reford MacDougall 
of Saraguay, Quebec. 

Edna Anne Stanley MacPherson, wife of George Anthony MacPherson of 
St. Basile-le-Grand, Quebec. 

Maureen Carol McCuUough McAlinden, wife of John Francis McAlinden 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

William George McCartney of Ste. Anne- de-Belle vue, Quebec, husband of 
Anna Augustine Madeleine Aubin McCartney. 

Margaret Rose Hamel McDuff, wife of Leonard Edward McDuff of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Dorothy Marie Beale McElroy, wife of Arthur Winston McElroy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Pamela Ellen Wischhusen McLeod, wife of Percy Peerce McLeod of St. 
Laurent, Quebec. 

Ellen Alice Hendry Nelham, wife of John William Riley Nelham of Pointe- 
Claire, Quebec. 

Paul Neron of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Riopel Neron. 

Joseph James Alexander Clermont O'Neill of Les Saules, Quebec, husband 
of Virginia Aucoin O'Neill. 

Paul Orlivsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Regina Depenbusch Orliv- 
sky. 

Carole Anne Douglas Orr, wife of David Frederick Orr of Beaconsfield, 
Quebec. 

Maria Sirakis Papadakis, wife of George Papadakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Eileen Owens Parent, wife of William Hercule Parent of Verdun, Quebec. 

Paul Parizeau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Georgette Clement Pari- 
zeau. 

Betty Lillian Reichert Patrick, wife of Allan Michael Patrick of LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Edouard Pellerin of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jeanne Salois Pellerin. 

Pauline Adamczewski Perrault, wife of Marcel Perrault of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Suzi Elizabeth Locke Perry, wife of Robert Arnold Perry of St. Bruno, 
Quebec. 

Louise Phelps Perkins, wife of Alden Morse Perkins of Waterloo, Quebec. 

Allan Barry Phillips of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Irene Marie Flora 
Falardeau Phillips. 

Jean-Jacques Aime Picotte of St. Remi, Quebec, husband of Marie Pierrette 
Jacqueline Gauthier Picotte. 

Nicholas Pilidis of Chateauguay, Quebec, husband of Barbara Ann Fennell 
Pilidis. 

Roland Pilon of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Blanche Robidoux Pilon. 

Yetta Alterovitch Pomerantz, wife of Morris Pomerantz of Hull, Quebec. 

Vivian Geoffrey Power of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Anna Mary Helen 
Kish Power. 

Marie Henriette Antoinette Marguerite Bloodworth Csurgay Pringle, wife 
of Bruce Welsh Pringle of Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER 157 

Joseph Yvon Quevillon of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Gertrude 
Leduc Quevillon. 

Alphonse Eugene Racine of Ile-Bizard, Quebec, husband of Norma Lorraine 
Gumming Watson Racine. 

Shirley Grace Reid Ramsay, wife of John Murray Ramsay of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Gordon Richard Alexander Ramsden of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Margaret Eilleen Woodall Ramsden. 

Olga Eizner Rapoport, wife of Harry Rapoport of Montreal, Quebec. 

Therese Chaput Ratelle, wife of Andre Ratelle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elaine Gleeson Redmond, wife of James Allan Redmond of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marion Fournier Richardson, wife of Gordon Richardson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Fay Naiman Richt, wife of Joseph Richt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doris Elinor Champ Roberts, wife of John Gilbert Roberts of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Calvin Harold Robinson of Laval-des-Rapides, Quebec, husband of Shirley 
MacDonald Robinson. 

Armand Ronco of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Louise Beaudry Ronco. 

Jeanette Silver Rosenberg, wife of Leon Rosenberg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Emiha Honorine Anzano Rosquin, wife of Claude Victor Rosquin of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

William Joseph Rowe of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Joan Pauline 
Miller Rowe. 

Fany Ghimpelman Rubenstein, wife of Claude Henri Rubenstein of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Patricia McCarthy Sabetta, wife of Joseph Louis Jacques Sabetta of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Helen Beverley Johnson Sabo, wife of Stephen Sabo of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Simon Saint-Louis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Nicole Berthelet 
Saint-Louis. 

Andrew Sallai of Montreal, husband of Eva Hegedus Sallai. 

Ahuva Lina Sussman Sandperl, wife of Elias Sandperl of Montreal, Quebec. 

Agnes Irene Groundwater Seaman, wife of Terence John Wendell Seaman 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Cecile Rosier Wall Senecal, wife of Jean Senecal of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jacqueline Dussault Serrati, wife of Giovanni Serrati of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lily (Lillian) Cohen Shapiro, wife of Sydney Shapiro of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

William Sharko of Chateauguay, Quebec, husband of Sonja Giesella Burk- 
hardt Sharko. 

John Phillip Shave of Stephen ville Crossing, Newfoundland, husband of 
Norma Mary Shave. 

Issie Sherman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Freda Kayser Sherman. 

Ethelind Zidulka Silverman, wife of Edward Silverman of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



158 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Augustine Gingras Simard, wife of Simeon Simard of Magog, Quebec. 
Imrich Sinka of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Abargita Kukla Sinka. 
Betty Jane Doehler Sockett, wife of David Lucas Sockett of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Dina Canzer Soiffer, wife of Chane Soiffer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kurt Sperlich of Cote St. Luc, Quebec, husband of Helga Drescher 
Sperlich. 

Linda Rose Low Steeves, wife of Dexter Allan Steeves of Montreal, Quebec. 
Mihaly Szakacs of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Maria Csocz Szakacs. 
Marcel Talbot of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Paule Belair Talbot. 
Angelika Vysoky Tasler, wife of Edmund Tasler of Montreal, Quebec. 
Irene Dolgin (Teitle) (Hart) Teitlebaum, wife of Michael (Teitle) (Hart) 
Teitlebaum, of Cote St. Luc, Quebec. 

Willa Keith McLaren Thomson, wife of Garth Patrick Thomson of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Lionel Samuel Tiger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marquita Marguerite 
Crevier Tiger. 

Victoria Nassou Topousoglou, wife of Nicholas Topousoglou of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Albert Wilfrid Tremblay of Farnham, Quebec, husband of Eveline Desor- 
miers dit Cusson Tremblay. 

Denise Boudreau Trottier, wife of Jacques Trottier of Montreal, Quebec. 

Eliane Fontaine Trottier, wife of Maurice Trottier of Ville St. Michel, Que- 
bec. 

Dorothy Alice Silver Usher, wife of Peter Joseph Usher of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Andre Vermette of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of France Richard Vermette. 

Marie-Jeanne Pare Vezeau, wife of Joseph Vezeau of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lucinda Patterson Viau, wife of Gerard Henry Viau of Verdun, Quebec. 

Donna Maureen Croteau Vincent, wife of Real Vincent of Longueuil, Que- 
bec. 

Helen Lycas Vipond, wife of John D. Vipond of Lachine, Quebec. 

Murray Hutchison Walker of Dorval, Quebec, husband of Margaret Helen 
Winona Churchill Walker. 

Lillian Anne LePoidevin Waller, wife of Frederick Louis Waller of Laval- 
des-Rapides, Quebec. 

Ruth Wiseblatt Ward, wife of Melvin Ward of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sheila Allison Pettigrew Wardell, wife of Ronald Wilson Wardell of Sorel, 
Quebec. 

Michel Weissberger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Therese Tatiana 
Krivoutz Weissberger. 

Adele Marie Forscelle White, wife of Thomas Joseph White of Noranda, 
Quebec. 

Jeannine Thauvoye Wiame, wife of Jean Paul Wiame of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia June Graydon Wiens, wife of Henry Wiens of Fabreville, Quebec. 

John Harold Williams of Ormstown, Quebec, husband of Beatrice Dorothy 
Brohman Williams. 

Odette Rosalie Louise Hick Winter, wife of Herbert Felix Anton Winter of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 25th OCTOBER 159 

Joan Margaret Gooch Wise, wife of Nicholas Edmund Michael Wise of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Bernice Marion Thayer Wood, wife of Ross Douglas Wood of Rosemere, 
Quebec. 

Sheila Cohen Wright, wife of Donald Wright of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jennie Cmikewicz Zajko, wife of Joseph Stanley Zajko of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margit Schlosszer Bene, wife of Janos Gabor Bene of Chibougamau, Quebec. 

Claire Detwiler Bradford, wife of Elwood Joseph Bradford of Beaconsfield, 
Quebec. 

Frangoise Hebert Campion, wife of Kenneth Rea Campion of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Alan John Clarke of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Margaret Navora 
Clarke. 

Rose Norris Coletta, wife of Harold Coletta of Montreal, Quebec. 

Walter Donald Cooke of the Province of Quebec, husband of Marjorie 
Phyllis Buchanan Cooke. 

Mildred Emily Velcoff Dumas, wife of Joseph Adrien Rolland Dumas of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joyce Eileen Menzie Elliott, wife of Robert Adams Elliott of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean Mildred Giberson Fillmore, wife of Eric Edwin Fillmore of Roxboro, 
Quebec. 

Margarete Huber Guimond, wife of Andre Guimond of Montreal, Quebec. 
Marie Marthe Raymond Laurin, wife of Roger Laurin of Montreal, Quebec. 
Marjorie Edith Taylor Leroux, wife of George Gustave Leroux of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Yvette Giraldeau Pons, wife of Vincent Pons, Junior, of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Patricia Mary Whiteside, wife of Robert Lambert Whiteside of the Prov- 
ince of Quebec. 

Charlie (Fong) (Hong) Wing of Bell Island, Newfoundland, husband of 
Mak Yin Kwan (Hong) Wing. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 21 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 26th OCTOBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Two petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



On motion of Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. Balcer, the proposals con- 
cerning the staff of the House of Commons, as approved and reported upon by 
the Commissioners of Internal Economy in the minutes of their proceedings, 
dated September 19, 1962, which were laid upon the Table of the House, 
September 27, 1962, were concurred in. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Ricard, from the Special Committee appointed 
to prepare and report lists of Members to compose the Standing Committees 
of the House under Standing Order 65, presented the First Report of the said 
Committee, which was concurred in, and is as follows: 

Your Committee, in accordance with Standing Order 65, recommends that 
the Standing Committees of this House be composed of the following Members: 



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No. 1 






Privileges and Elections 






Messrs. 




Aiken, 


Howard, 


Millar, 


Brewin, 


Knowles, 


Nielsen, 


Brown, 


Korchinski, 


Pennell, 


Caron, 


Laing, 


Pickersgill, 


Chatterton, 


Lamoureux, 


Plourde, 


Coates, 


Leboe, 


Rondeau, 


Crestohl, 


Macnaughton, 


Smallwood, 


Dionne, 


McBain, 


Stewart, 


Enns, 


McGee, 


Valade— 29, 


Hodgson, 


McWilliam, 

(Quorum 10) 





No. 2 
Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines 



Messrs. 



Addison, 

Argue, 

Badanai, 

Baskin, 

Beaule, 

Belanger, 

Bell (Saint John- Albert) 

Benidickson, 

Bourbonnais, 

Bradley, 

Byrne, 

Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowi- 

chan-The Islands), 
Chevrier, 
Cook, 
Crouse, 
Dupuis, 
Fisher, 
Garland, 
Gauthier, 
Granger, 



Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Hodgson, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Howe, 

Kennedy, 

Lamoureux, 

Leboe, 

Legare, 

Lewis, 

MacEachen, 

MacEwan, 

Mackasey, 

Maltais, 

Marcoux, 

McCleave, 

McDonald (Hamilton 

South), 
McMillan, 
McPhillips, 

(Quorum 20) 



Mitchell, 

Nielsen, 

Nugent, 

Pascoe, 

Phillips, 

Rideout, 

Robichaud, 

Rock, 

Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Sams, 

Sauve, 

Smith (Calgary South), 

Smith (Simcoe North), 

Stenson, 

Teillet, 

Tucker, 

Turner, 

Valade, 

Webb, 

Winch— 60. 



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No. 3 






Miscellaneous Private Bills 






Messrs. 




Aiken, 


Grafftey, 


Nixon, 


Alkenbrack, 


Gray, 


Olson, 


Beer, 


Grills, 


Orlikow, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Horner (Acadia), 


Ormiston, 


Cardiff, 


Horner (The Battlefords) 


,Otto, 


Carter, 


Kennedy, 


Patterson, 


Chattertan, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Phillips, 


Clunis, 


Lamy, 


Roxburgh, 


Cooper, 


Leboe, 


Sams, 


Cowan, 


MacEwan, 


Simpson, 


Crestohl, 


MacRae, 


Stefanson, 


Drury, 


Mandziuk, 


Thompson, 


Enns, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tucker, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Mather, 


Turner, 


Revelstoke), 


McMillan, 


Wahn, 


Gagnon, 


Millar, 


Winch, 


Garland, 


Munro, 

(Quorum 15) 


Woolliams— 50. 



No. 4 




Banking and Commerce 




Messrs. 




Aiken, Grafftey, 


Nasserden, 


Baldwin, Gregoire, 


Nicholson, 


Bell (Saint John- Albert), Horner (Acadia), 


Nugent, 


Benidickson, Kindt, 


Pascoe, 


Benson, Laing, 


Pickersgill, 


Bernier, Leboe, 


Rapp, 


Bourque, Lewis, 


Rowe, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- Macdonald (Rosedale), 


Ryan, 


Cowichan-The Islands) , Maclnnis, 


Rynard, 


Caouette, Macnaughton, 


Sauve, 


Cardiff, McCleave, 


Southam, 


Chevrier, Mcllraith, 


Stewart, 


Clermont, McLean (Charlotte), 


Thomas, 


Cote, McMillan, 


Thompson, 


Chaplin, More, 


Turner, 


Fairweather, Morris, 


Vincent, 


Gordon, Muir (Lisgar), 


Walker— 50 


(Quorum 15) 





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No. 5 
Public Accounts 



Messrs. 



Asselin, 

Beaule, 

Benson, 

Cadieux (Terrebonne), 

Cameron (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The Islands) 
Caron, 
Chaplin, 
Cowan, 
Crouse, 
Davis, 
Drury, 
Dube, 
Dupuis, 
Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Forbes, 
Frenette, 



Gauthier, 

Godin, 

Gray, 

Hales, 

Hellyer, 

Honey, 

Horner (Jasper-Edson), 

Lessard (Saint-Henri), 

Letourneau, 

Lewis, 

Macdonald (Mrs.), 

Macdonald ( Rosedale ) , 

Macnaughton, 

MacRae, 

McCleave, 

McGee, 

McGrath, 

(Quorum 15) 



Moore, 

Muir (Lisgar), 

Noble, 

Olson, 

Perron, 

Pigeon, 

Pugh, 

Rapp, 

Rochon, 

Rondeau, 

Scott, 

Skoreyko, 

Smith ( Simcoe-North) , 

Stefanson, 

Teillet, 

Tucker, 

Winch— 50. 



No. 6 
Agriculture and Colonization 





Messrs. 




Alkenbrack, 


Gauthier, 


Olson, 


Argue, 


Gundlock, 


Orlikow, 


Asselin, 


Honey, 


Patterson, 


Barnett, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Pennell, 


Bechard, 


Kelly, 


Peters, 


Beer, 


Langlois, 


Pigeon, 


Belzile, 


Leboe, 


Rapp, 


Boucher, 


Legare, 


Robichaud, 


Cardiff, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Rochon, 


Chatterton, 


Jean), 


Roxburgh, 


Clancy, 


Letourneau, 


Rynard, 


Clermont, 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Slogan, 


Clunis, 


Mandziuk, 


Smallwood, 


Crossman, 


Mather, 


Southam, 


Doucett, 


Matte, 


Stefanson, 


Drouin, 


Mcintosh, 


Tardif, 


Dumont, 


McNulty, 


Teillet, 


Ethier, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Vincent, 


Fane, 


Nasserden, 


Whelan, 


Forbes, 


Noble, 


WooUiams — 60, 


Forgie, 


(Quorum 20) 





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165 



Aiken, 

Bourbonnais, 

Bradley, 

Brown, 

Byrne, 

Cantin, 

Chevrier, 



No. 7 
Standing Orders 



Messrs. 



Enns, Pickersgill, 
Horner (Jasper-Edson), Richard, 

Laprise, Wahn, 

MacEachen, Webb, 

Marcoux, Winch, 

Moore, Winkler — 20. 
Phillips, 

(Quorum 8) 



Addison, 

Barnett, 

Batten, 

Bechard, 

Belanger, 

Cadieu (Meadow Lake), 

Carter, 

Chatterton, 

Cote, 

Crouse, 

English, 

Granger, 



No. 8 
Marine and Fisheries 



Messrs. 



Hardie (Mrs.), 

Howard, 

Legare, 

Legere, 

Macdonald (Mrs.), 

MacRae, 

Maltais, 

Mather, 

McCleave, 

McGrath, 

McLean (Charlotte), 

McWilliam, 

(Quorum 10) 



Morris, 

Nicholson, 

Noble, 

Perron, 

Phillips, 

Pugh, 

Robichaud, 

Robinson, 

Sauve, 

Stefanson, 

Tucker — 35. 



Alkenbrack, 

Barnett, 

Belanger, 

Benidickson, 

Caouette, 

Clermont, 

Davis, 

Doucett, 

Fairweather, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke) , 
Godin, 
Granger, 



No. 9 
Mines, Forests and Waters 



Messrs. 



Gundlock, 

Hardie (Mrs.), 

Hodgson, 

Howard, 

Kindt, 

Korchinski, 

Leboe, 

Leduc, 

Mackasey, 

MacRae, 

Maltais, 

Mather, 



McGrath, 

McWilliam, 

Mitchell, 

Morris, 

Muir (Cape Breton North 

and Victoria), 
Nicholson, 
Nielsen, 
Robichaud, 
Simpson, 
Southam, 
Teillet— 35. 



(Quorum 10) 



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No. 10 
Industrial Relations 





Messrs. 




Batten, 


Grafftey, 


Millar, 


Beaule, 


Hales, 


Morris, 


Bell (Saint John- Albert ),Knowles, 


Muir, (Cape Breton North 


Benidickson, 


Lachance, 


and Victoria), 


Berger, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Munro, 


Byrne, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Noble, 


Caron, 


Jean), 


Plourde, 


Deschatelets, 


Mackasey, 


Rideout, 


Fairweather, 


Mandziuk, 


Sauve, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Martin (Essex East), 


Scott, 


Revelstoke), 


McCleave, 


Stenson, 


Frenette, 


McDonald (Hamilton 


Valade, 


Godin, 


South), 

(Quorum 10) 

No. 11 
Debates 


Weichel— 35. 




Messrs. 




Deschatelets, 


Langlois, 


Pugh, 


Eudes, 


Mcllraith, 


Valade, 


Haidasz, 


Meunier, 


Winkler, 


Howard, 


Nugent, 

(Quorum 7) 

No. 12 
External Affairs 


Woolliams — 12 



Aiken, 

Bernier, 

Bourbonnais, 

Bradley, 

Brewin, 

Brown, 

Cadieux (Terrebonne) 

Cardin, 

Chapdelaine, 

Chatterton, 

Crestohl, 

Dube, 



Messrs. 

Fairweather, 
Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Herridge, 
Knowles, 
Lachance, 
LaMarsh (Miss), 
Macdonald (Rosedale), 
MacEachen, 
Macquarrie, 
Mandziuk, 
Martin (Essex East), 



Mcintosh, 

Morris, 

Nicholson, 

Nugent, 

Patterson, 

Richard, 

Slogan, 

Smith (Calgary South), 

Smith (Simcoe North), 

Stewart, 

Thompson, 

Vincent — 35. 



(Quorum 10) 



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No. 13 






Estimates 






Messrs. 




Argue, 


Forbes, 


Matte, 


Baldwin, 


Foy, 


McBain, 


Bell (Saint John-Albert) 


, Frenette, 


McGee, 


Benson, 


Gordon, 


McGrath, 


Berger, 


Grafftey, 


Mcllraith, 


Bigg, 


Haidasz, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Boulanger, 


Hales, 


McPhillips, 


Bourque, 


Hellyer, 


More, 


Boutin, 


Horner (Jasper-Edson), 


Olson, 


Burgess, 


Howe, 


Orlikow, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Jorgenson, 


Peters, 


Cantin, 


Kennedy, 


Rinfret, 


Carter, 


Korchinski, 


Rock, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Laing, 


Roy, 


Coates, 


Latulippe, 


Smith (Calgary South) 


Cook, 


Letourneau, 


Smith (Simcoe North), 


Denis, 


Loiselle, 


Turner, 


Dionne, 


Macquarrie, 


Vincent, 


Dube, 


Mandziuk, 


Webster, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Matheson, 


Weichel— 60. 


Revelstoke), 


(Quorum 20) 





Asselin, 

Bigg, 

Boulanger, 

Burgess, 

Car din. 

Carter, 

Clancy, 

Davis, 

Drury, 

Fane, 

Forgie, 

Harley, 

Hellyer, 

Herridge, 



No. 14 




Veterans Affairs 




Messrs. 




Kennedy, 


Ouellet, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Perron, 


Laniel, 


Peters, 


Laprise, 


Pilon, 


Letourneau, 


Plourde, 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Prittie, 


MacEwan, 


Pugh, 


MacRae, 


Robinson, 


Matheson, 


Roy, 


Mcintosh, 


Thomas, 


McWilliam, 


Webb, 


Millar, 


Weichel, 


Ormiston, 


Winkler — 40, 


(Quorum 15) 





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No. 15 

Printing 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 



Alkenbrack, 

Berger, 

Boucher, 

Bourque, 

Bradley, 

Cadieu (Meadow Lake), 

Cadieux (Terrebonne), 

Caron, 

Chaplin, 

Cooper, 

Cowan, 

Crossman, 

Drouin, 

Dumont, 

Ethier, 

Eudes, 

Fane, 

Gagnon, 

Grills, 



Messrs. 



Hanbidge, 

Harley, 

Horner (Jasper-Edson), 

Howe, 

Kelly, 

Kindt, 

Lamy, 

Laniel, 

Latulippe, 

Leduc, 

Legere, 

Lessard (Saint-Henri), 

Loiselle, 

Maclnnis, 

McDonald (Hamilton 

South), 
Mcintosh, 
McNulty, 
Moore, 



More, 

Muir (Cape Breton North 

and Victoria), 
Nasserden, 
Otto, 
Ouellet, 
Pilon, 
Prittie, 
Rondeau, 
Rowe, 
Sams, 
Scott, 
Skoreyko, 
Smallwood, 

Smith (Calgary South), 
Stenson, 
Tardif, 
Whelan— 54. 



No. 16 
Library of Parliament 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 



• 


Mr. Speaker and Messrs 




Baskin, 


Forbes, 


McGee, 


Belzile, 


Gordon, 


Meunier, 


Bigg, 


Gray, 


More, 


Boutin, 


Gregoire, 


Munro, 


Brewin, 


Haidasz, 


Nixon, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Hanbidge, 


Ormiston, 


Clancy, 


Horner (Jasper-Edson), 


Phillips, 


Coates, 


Howe, 


Plourde, 


Cote, 


Lachance, 


Simpson, 


Crossman, 


Laniel, 


Skoreyko, 


Davis, 


Latulippe, 


Slogan, 


Denis, 


Maclnnis, 


Smith (Calgary South), 


English, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Stewart, 


Fairweather, 


Matheson, 


Wahn, 


Fisher, 


Matte, 


Walker— 46. 



A.D. 1962 



FRIDAY, 26th OCTOBER 



169 



No. 17 

Restaurant 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 



Mr. Speaker and Messrs. 

Badanai, ' Harley, Pugh, 

Belzile, Hodgson, Richard, 

Byrne, Horner (The Battlefords),Rinfret, 

Cameron (High Park), Legere, Roy, 

Cook, Macdonald (Mrs.), Stefanson, 

Denis, MacRae, Tardif, 

Doucett, Marcoux, Walker, 

Gundlock, Martin (Timmins), Webster — 26. 

Hales, 



On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, it was resolved, 
— That the Standing Committees of this House be severally empowered to 
examine and inquire into all such matters and things as may be referred to 
them by the House; and to report from time to time their observations and 
opinions thereon, with power to send for persons, papers and records. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That Messages be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours that this House 
will unite with them in the formation of Joint Committees of both Houses on 
the subject of Printing of Parliament, the direction of the Library of Parlia- 
ment, and the direction of the Parliamentary Restaurant; and that the Members 
to serve on each of the Committees, on the part of this House, will be as 
contained in the First Report of the Special Committee presented this day. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Farm Credit Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
Farm Credit Act to increase the capital of the Farm Credit Corporation from 
twelve million dollars to sixteen million dollars so as to increase the lending 
capacity of the Corporation from three hundred million dollars to four hundred 
million dollars; and to provide further for certain changes in connection with 
the administration of the Act. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



170 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Monteith, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-3, An Act to amend 
the Food and Drugs Act; 

Mr. Monteith, seconded by Mr. Hamilton, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-1, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski. 

Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Bruce Reid Campbell. 

Bill SD-3, An Act for the relief of William Metcalfe Watt. 

Bill SD-4, An Act for the relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins. 

Bill SD-5, An Act for the relief of Marion Ruth Catherine Slattery. 

Bill SD-6, An Act for the relief of Sonja Bagry. 

Bill SD-7, An Act for the relief of Lena Quelle. 

Bill SD-8, An Act for the relief of Franz Zeitlhofer. 

Bill SD-9, An Act for the relief of John Harman. 

Bill SD-10, An Act for the relief of Esther Wertheimer. 

Bill SD-11, An Act for the relief of Rachela Zimber. 

Bill SD-12, An Act for the relief of Alethea Sarah Ivy Fowler. 

Bill SD-1 3, An Act for the relief of Rosemary Beatrice Clare. 

Bill SD-14, An Act for the relief of Isadore Titleman. 

Bill SD-1 5, An Act for the relief of Agnes Irene Seaman. 

Bill SD-1 6, An Act for the relief of Margaret Ada Lewis. 

Bill SD-1 7, An Act for the relief of Beverley Trachtenberg, otherwise 
known as Beverley Tratt. 

Bill SD-18, An Act for the relief of Demetre Almyriotis. 

Bill SD-1 9, An Act for the relief of Cynthia Elsie Scott. 

Bill SD-20, An Act for the relief of June Blickstead. 

Bill SD-21, An Act for the relief of Stella Leblanc. 

Bill SD-22, An Act for the relief of Gerda-Sascha Rozwadowski. 

Bill SD-23, An Act for the relief of Josephine Isabella Geiger. 

Bill SD-24, An Act for the relief of Margarete Gerda Ruhnau. 

Bill SD-25, An Act for the relief of Margaret Catherine Smith. 

Bill SD-26, An Act for the relief of Kate Gillman. 

Bill SD-27, An Act for the relief of Barbara Ann Wallace. 

Bill SD-28, An Act for the relief of Marie Claire Rolande Dubois. 

Bill SD-29, An Act for the relief of Sheila Liebling. 

Bill SD-30, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Shaw Fisher Reid. 

Bill SD-31, An Act for the relief of Marie Jeanne Beaulieu. 

Bill SD-32, An Act for the relief of Maurice LeBel. 



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Bill SD-33, An Act for the relief of Gilles Graveline. 
Bill SD-34, An Act for the relief of Simonne Michele Mona Bouchard. 
Bill SD-35, An Act for the relief of Anne Marie Asselin. 
Bill SD-36, An Act for the relief of Hale Calvin Reid. 
Bill SD-37, An Act for the relief of Lorna Scherzer. 
Bill SD-38, An Act for the relief of Leomay Marie Blanche Stratton. 
Bill SD-39, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Aucoin. 
Bill SD-40, An Act for the relief of Frances Cynthia Nevitt. 
Bill SD-41, An Act for the relief of Lily Worthington. 
Bill SD-42, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Doreen Howell. 
Bill SD-43, An Act for the relief of Joyce Evelyn Ranger. 
Bill SD-44, An Act for the relief of Jeannine Furoy. 
Bill SD-45, An Act for the relief of Myrtle Alice Southwood. 
Bill SD-46, An Act for the relief of Elsie Jean Delisle. 
Bill SD-47, An Act for the relief of Josephine Suhr Moseley. 
Bill SD-48, An Act for the relief of Christine Johnson. 
Bill SD-49, An Act for the relief of Real Richard. 
Bill SD-50, An Act for the rehef of Monique Remy. 
Bill SD-51, An Act for the relief of Paul Emile Niquette. 
Bill SD-52, An Act for the relief of Elsa Munch. 
Bill SD-53, An Act for the relief of Lygery Varverikos. 
Bill SD-54, An Act for the relief of Jeannine Elizabeth Sharpe. 
Bill SD-55, An Act for the relief of Anita Cleri. 
Bill SD-56, An Act for the relief of John Andrew Milne. 
Bill SD-57, An Act for the relief of Germaine Marie Therese Hinksman. 
Bill SD-58, An Act for the relief of Mary Catherine Weatherby. 
Bill SD-59, An Act for the relief of Gerald William Henderson. 
Bill SD-60, An Act for the relief of Joseph Arthur Norman William 
Edwards. 

Bill SD-61, An Act for the relief of Irene Ross. 

Bill SD-62, An Act for the relief of Anna Luella Matthews. 

Bill SD-63, An Act for the relief of Gladys Ethel Sarah Bergeron. 

Bill SD-64, An Act for the relief of Hazel Durocher. 

Bill SD-65, An Act for the relief of Lily (Laura) Anita Karbelnik. 

Bill SD-66, An Act for the relief of Margot Scott Connor. 

Bill SD-67, An Act for the relief of James Richard Williamson. 

Bill SD-68, An Act for the relief of Micheline McGuire. 

Bill SD-69, An Act for the relief of Miriam White. 

Bill SD-70, An Act for the relief of Lloyd James Simpson. 

Bill SD-71, An Act for the relief of Felix Hollinger. 

Bill SD-72, An Act for the relief of Gizella Ethel Bogoly. 

Bill SD-73, An Act for the relief of Francoise Campion. 

Bill SD-74, An Act for the relief of Suzi Elizabeth Perry. 

Bill SD-75, An Act for the relief of Dawn Dorothea Marsden. 

Bill SD-76, An Act for the relief of Pawel Olejnik. 

Bill SD-77, An Act for the relief of Joyce Ethel Empey. 

Bill SD-78, An Act for the relief of Gabriela Kiwitt. 



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Bill SD-79, An Act for the relief of Herve Gauthier. 

Bill SD-80, An Act for the relief of Jean Alexandria Etheridge. 

Bill SD-81, An Act for the relief of John Joseph Huitson. 

Bill SD-82, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Irene Marjorie Adams. 

Bill SD-83, An Act for the relief of Judith Elizabeth Caron. 

Bill SD-84, An Act for the relief of Joan Mary Pearson. 

Bill SD-85, An Act for the relief of Glen Stewart Tornay. 

Bill SD-86, An Act for the relief of Nellie Rothman. 

Bill SD-87, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Belanger. 

Bill SD-88, An Act for the relief of Blima (Wendy) Shapiro. 

Bill SD-89, An Act for the relief of Gladys Jean Desjardins. 

Bill SD-90, An Act for the relief of Gladys Noreen Monette. 

Bill SD-91, An Act for the relief of Celia Lesnik. 

Bill SD-92, An Act for the relief of Clara Edith Papp. 

Bill SD-93, An Act for the relief of Frances Lyman. 

Bill SD-94, An Act for the relief of Anton Welte. 

Bill SD-95, An Act for the relief of Giuseppe de Cristoforo. 

Bill SD-96, An Act for the relief of Wilfrid Giroux. 

Bill SD-97, An Act for the relief of Margaret Ellynore Abbott. 

Bill SD-98, An Act for the relief of Madge Estelle Pinkerton. 

Bill SD-99, An Act for the relief of Angus Mcintosh. 

Bill SD-100, An Act for the relief of May Margaret Morelli. 

Bill SD-101, An Act for the relief of Linnea Erna Barbara Walker. 

Bill SD-102, An Act for the relief of Joan Marjorie Gregor-Pearse. 

Bill SD-103, An Act for the relief of Jean Guy Prud'homme. 

Bill SD-104, An Act for the relief of Aline Helene Smith. 

Bill SD-105, An Act for the relief of Alexander Burke. 

Bill SD-106, An Act for the relief of Beverley Hayden Crerar. 

Bill SD-107, An Act for the relief of Brigitte Dophide. 

Bill SD-108, An Act for the relief of Constance Valerie Laurie. 

Bill SD-109, An Act for the relief of Robert Harrison. 

Bill SD-110, An Act for the relief of Marketa Tata. 

Bill SD-111, An Act for the relief of Margaret Anna Kenwood. 

Bill SD-112, An Act for the relief of Robert Charles Chapman. 

Bill SD-113, An Act for the relief of Rose Duval. 

BiU SD-114, An Act for the relief of Louise Doyle. 

Bill SD-115, An Act for the relief of Sandra Elizabeth McVety. 

Bill SD-116, An Act for the relief of Jean Bernard L'Heureux. 

Bill SD-117, An Act for the relief of Mildred Kligman. 

Bill SD-118, An Act for the relief of Lucille Goresky. 

BiU SD-119, An Act for the relief of Ivy Elizabeth Sherry. 

Bill SD-120, An Act for the relief of Haidy Amalie Madelaine Jack. 

Bill SD-121, An Act for the relief of Florence Patricia Da Silva. 

Bill SD-122, An Act for the relief of Nancy Ruth Grabina. 

Bill SD-123, An Act for the relief of Paul Aime Bedard. 

Bill SD-124, An Act for the relief of Edward Sidney Mansfield. 



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Bill SD-125, An Act for the relief of Harry Hyman. 

Bill SD-126, An Act for the relief of Patricia Rose Rankin. 

Bill SD-127, An Act for the relief of Marsha Liberman. 

Bill SD-128, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Lillian Small. 

Bill SD-129, An Act for the relief of Catherine Mildred Gray. 

Bill SD-130, An Act for the relief of Klara Brody. 

Bill SD-131, An Act for the relief of Rene Hebert. 

Bill SD-132, An Act for the relief of Abie Herscovitch, otherwise known as 
Allan Herscovitch. 

Bill SD-133, An Act for the relief of Rosaire Gauthier. 

Bill SD-134, An Act for the relief of Gerhard Hermann Buchholz. 

Bill SD-135, An Act for the relief of Joseph Fortin Decelles. 

Bill SD-136, An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

Bill SD-137, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Estelle Lord. 

Bill SD-138, An Act for the relief of Claire Bradford. 

Bill SD-139, An Act for the relief of Leonard Marchand, otherwise known 
as Leonard Mihalcean. 

Bill SD-140, An Act for the relief of Olga Antonina Burkousky. 

Bill SD-141, An Act for the relief of Sheila Wolofsky. 

Bill SD-142, An Act for the relief of Geraldine Cecilia Gohier. 

Bill SD-143, An Act for the relief of Jean Helen Donnan. 

Bill SD-144, An Act for the relief of Michele Breuer. 

Bill SD-145, An Act for the relief of Magella Bergeron. 

Bill SD-146, An Act for the relief of Wilhelmina Grundy. 

Bill SD-147, An Act for the relief of Lillian Florence Catherine Hurst. 

Bill SD-148, An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

Bill SD-149, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Bertha Spires. 

Bill SD-150, An Act for the relief of Geraldine Ludgarde Romer. 

Bill SD-151, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Socaransky. 

Bill SD-152, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Gladys Faucher. 

Bill SD-153, An Act for the relief of Jean Alice Rinder. 

Bill SD-154, An Act for the relief of Maria Lenkei, otherwise known as 
Maria Leichtag. 

Bill SD-155, An Act for the relief of Ines Barbara Levy. 

Bill SD-156, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Helen Brown. 

Bill SD-157, An Act for the relief of Stasys Vysniauskas. 

Bill SD-158, An Act for the relief of Joan Jeanette Krautle. 

Bill SD-159, An Act for the relief of Thelma Freeman. 

Bill SD-160, An Act for the rehef of Rose Coletta. 

Bill SD-161, An Act for the relief of Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian 
Kovacs, otherwise known as Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Kovac. 

Bill SD-162, An Act for the relief of Wilma Gloria Bryson. 

Bill SD-163, An Act for the relief of Donald Edgar Hicks. 

Bill SD-164, An Act for the relief of Ruth Moss. 

Bill SD-165, An Act for the relief of Marie-Louise Guay. 

Bill SD-166, An Act for the relief of Marie Raymonde Violetta Dalpe. 

Bill SD-167, An Act for the relief of Helene Denise Vien. 



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Bill SD-168, An Act for the relief of Anna Elizabeth Strickland. 

Bill SD-169, An Act for the relief of Evelyn Frances Rae. 

Bill SD-170, An Act for the relief of Catherine Gerasimos Andrulakis. 

Bill SD-171, An Act for the relief of Toni Anna Lydia Weiss, otherwise 
known as Toni Anna Lydia Weisz. 

Bill SD-172, An Act for the relief of Kathleen Ryan. 

Bill SD-173, An Act for the relief of Doris Sibyl Jane Hassall. 

Bill SD-174, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Anne Kotania. 

Bill SD-175, An Act for the rehef of Hyman Omri Tannenbaum. 

Bill SD-176, An Act for the relief of Rosa Jacobson. 

Bill SD-177, An Act for the relief of Stephen Alexander Lantos. 

Bill SD-178, An Act for the relief of Frank Hamilton Mingle, junior. 

Bill SD-179, An Act for the relief of Frieda Lina Schaub. 

Bill SD-180, An Act for the relief of Alma Ivy Bankley. 

Bill SD-181, An Act for the relief of Colleen Ann Kenny. 

Bill SD-182, An Act for the relief of Phyllis Carol Johnston. 

Bill SD-183, An Act for the relief of Leonard Emond. 

Bill SD-184, An Act for the relief of Edith Rozel McDougall. 

Bill SD-185, An Act for the relief of Kenneth Allen Blight. 

Bill SD-186, An Act for the relief of Ellen Chase McKellar. 

Bill SD-187, An Act for the relief of Mona Pozza. 

Bill SD-188, An Act for the relief of John Faucher. 

Bill SD-189, An Act for the rehef of Violet Pearl St. James Lemoine. 

Bill SD-190, An Act for the relief of Ann Marguerite MacDonald. 

Bill SD-191, An Act for the relief of Eva Florence Plaskett. 

Bill SD-192, An Act for the relief of Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky. 

Bill SD-193, An Act for the relief of Hilda Desjardins. 

Bill SD-194, An Act for the relief of Sandra Mary Louise Martin. 

Bill SD-195, An Act for the relief of Mary Iris Fournier. 

Bill SD-196, An Act for the relief of Rosemary Louise Eakins. 

Bill SD-197, An Act for the relief of Phyllis Manoah. 

Bill SD-198, An Act for the relief of Jean Elizabeth O'Reilly. 

Bill SD-199, An Act for the relief of Maureen Mary Piercey. 

Bill SD-200, An Act for the relief of Josephine Mary Croll. 

Bill SD-201, An Act for the relief of Milton Lawrence Trickey. 

Bill SD-202, An Act for the relief of William John Loke. 

Bill SD-203, An Act for the relief of Anita Guido Knezevic. 

Bill SD-204, An Act for the relief of Shirley Brimacombe. 

Bill SD-205, An Act for the relief of Betty O'Neil. 

Bill SD-206, An Act for the relief of Rebecca Rosenstrauss. 

Bill SD-207, An Act for the relief of Paulyne Leblanc. 

Bill SD-208, An Act for the relief of Marie Joan Patricia Jeffries. 

Bill SD-209, An Act for the relief of Isadore Rosenblatt. 

Bill SD-210, An Act for the relief of Alice Elizabeth Clarke. 

Bill SD-211, An Act for the relief of Armando Argentini. 

Bill SD-212, An Act for the relief of Molly Sacks. 



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Bill SD-213, An Act for the relief of Joseph Jean Paul Fernand Blanchette. 
Bill SD-214, An Act for the relief of Karl-Heinz Hans Luedders. 
Bill SD-215, An Act for the relief of Leslie Thomas Norval Modler. 
Bill SD-216, An Act for the relief of Amy Sandra Glendinning. 
Bill SD-217, An Act for the relief of Muriel Howarth Hulbig. 
Bill SD-218, An Act for the relief of Kathleen Sangster. 
Bill SD-219, An Act for the relief of Phyllis Siev. 
Bill SD-220, An Act for the relief of Marjorie Brown. 
Bill SD-221, An Act for the relief of Jean Letovsky. 
Bill SD-222, An Act for the relief of Shirley Margaret WooUey. 
Bill SD-223, An Act for the relief of Nathalie Longtin. 
Bill SD-224, An Act for the relief of Vida Irene Louise McCallum. 
Bill SD-225, An Act for the relief of Margaret Joan Digby. 
Bill SD-226, An Act for the relief of Nadia-Anne Hruszij. 
Bill SD-227, An Act for the relief of Maureen Knowles. 
Bill SD-228, An Act for the relief of Joyce Irene Larocque. 
Bill SD-229, An Act for the relief of Rolland Commoy. 
Bill SD-230, An Act for the relief of Ginette Noela Melanie Soulier. 
Bill SD-231, An Act for the relief of Jeannette Carignan. 
Bill SD-232, An Act for the relief of Nora Bridget Lahey. 
Bill SD-233, An Act for the relief of Virginia Ruth Parmiter. 
Bill SD-234, An Act for the relief of Betty Ankhelyi. 
Bill SD-235, An Act for the relief of Susanne Reiner. 
Bill SD-236, An Act for the relief of Marie Emilia Rolande Gittens. 
Bill SD-237, An Act for the relief of Suzanne Chasse. 
Bill SD-238, An Act for the relief of Barbara Patricia Rogers. 
Bill SD-239, An Act for the relief of Roland Demers. 

Bill SD-240, An Act for the relief of Lajos Nagy, otherwise known as 
Louis Nagy. 

Bill SD-241, An Act for the relief of Eloise Sonne. 

Bill SD-242, An Act for the relief of Jennie Zajko. 

Bill SD-243, An Act for the relief of Robert Fleischer. 

Bill SD-244, An Act for the relief of Hugh O'Connor. 

Bill SD-245, An Act for the relief of Charles Harold Page. 

Bill SD-246, An Act for the relief of Vera Irene MacKenzie. 

Bill SD-247, An Act for the relief of Guy Lefebvre. 

Bill SD-248, An Act for the relief of Beverley Ann Maughan. 

Bill SD-249, An Act for the relief of Marie Theresa Sckyra. 

Bill SD-250, An Act for the relief of Barbara Gladys Gregory. 

Bill SD-251, An Act for the relief of Mary Yvonne Giguere. 

Bill SD-252, An Act for the relief of Ion Ignatescu. 

Bill SD-253, An Act for the relief of Carmen Abrams. 

Bill SD-254, An Act for the relief of Margaret Elaine Gallagher. 

Bill SD-255, An Act for the relief of Haia (Clara) Fuchsman. 

Bill SD-256, An Act for the relief of Lois Budd. 

Bill SD-257, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Laptew. 



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Bill SD-258, An Act for the relief of Mary Gallagher. 

Bill SD-259, An Act for the relief of Margit Bene. 

Bill SD-260, An Act for the relief of Therese Genest. 

Bill SD-261, An Act for the relief of Aranka Ilona Berendy. 

Bill SD-262, An Act for the relief of Margaret Anne Harvey. 

Bill SD-263, An Act for the relief of Joseph Maurice Sealy. 

Bill SD-264, An Act for the relief of Valerie Jean Morton. 

Bill SD-265, An Act for the relief of Ruth Ilona Elkin. 

Bill SD-266, An Act for the relief of Lorraine Burt. 

Bill SD-267, An Act for the relief of Denise Bachelder. 

Bill SD-268, An Act for the relief of Nicole Marie Geoffroy. 

Bill SD-269, An Act for the rehef of Martin Simeon Levy. 

Bill SD-270, An Act for the relief of James Robert Breslin. 

Bill SD-271, An Act for the relief of Marcelle Rosenberg. 

Bill SD-272, An Act for the relief of Judith MacBeth Cuggy. 

Bill SD-273, An Act for the relief of Irene Tyminski. 

Bill SD-274, An Act for the relief of Percy Beauvais. 

Bill SD-275, An Act for the relief of Harold Moreau. 

Bill SD-276, An Act for the relief of Mabel Lucille Mills. 

Bill SD-277, An Act for the relief of Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki. 

Bill SD-278, An Act for the relief of Anna May Sergent. 

Bill SD-279, An Act for the relief of Joseph Philippe Philias Fabien Parent. 

Bill SD-280, An Act for the relief of William Rankin Edmondson. 

Bill SD-281, An Act for the relief of Josephine Rose Nawrocki. 

Bill SD-282, An Act for the rehef of Zelda Barbara Kimberg. 

Bill SD-283, An Act for the relief of Doris Irene Trerice. 

Bill SD-284, An Act for the relief of Alexandra Deliyannakis. 

Bill SD-285, An Act for the relief of Patricia Beverley Dimeo. 

Bill SD-286, An Act for the relief of Agnes Agai. 

Bill SD-287, An Act for the relief of Aida Diotte. 

Bill SD-288, An Act for the relief of Beverley Anne Runions. 

Bill SD-289, An Act for the relief of Karl Heinz Wunderlich. 

Bill SD-290, An Act for the relief of Marie Greensell. 

Bill SD-291, An Act for the relief of Bertha Staruch. 

Bill SD-292, An Act for the relief of Ruby Rita Smith. 

Bill SD-293, An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Small. 

Bill SD-294, An Act for the relief of Pardo Belpulso. 

Bill SD-295, An Act for the relief of Helena Jadwiga Igiel Wodnicki. 

Bill SD-296, An Act for the relief of Adele Kathleen Strachan. 

Bill SD-297, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Angela Stirling. 

Bill SD-298, An Act for the relief of William Henry Monaghan. 

Bill SD-299, An Act for the relief of Nicholas Cimbru Chambers. 

Bill SD-300, An Act for the relief of Georgine Plzak. 

Bill SD-301, An Act for the relief of Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie. 

Bill SD-302, An Act for the relief of Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis. 

Bill SD-303, An Act for the relief of Jeannie Belchik. 



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Bill SD-304, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Dankner. 
Bill SD-305, An Act for the relief of John Donaldson. 

The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Mandziuk, were deemed to 
have been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 



\_At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15{2)'\ 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-12, An Act to 
provide in Canada for the Dissolution and the Annulment of Marriage; 

Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Barnett, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 18, 1962, (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 12) for a copy of a table showing the changes in the official 
holdings of gold and foreign exchange, including United States dollars, held 
in the Exchange Fund Account and Bank of Canada and showing "the total 
amount of exchange delivered to the market from the sales of foreign ex- 
change", day by day, from April 9 to June 24, 1962, inclusive. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, {Question No. 225) showing: 1. As of March 31, 1962, in Gloucester 
County, N.B. (a) what was the total number of persons receiving Social Assis- 
tance benefits (b) what was the total number of recipients of Unemployment 
Insurance benefits (c) what was the total number of persons registered as 
unemployed? 

2. As of August 31, 1962, in Gloucester County, N.B. (a) what was the 
total number of persons receiving Social Assistance benefits (b) what was the 
total number of recipients of Unemployment Insurance benefits (c) what was 
the total number of persons registered as unemployed? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (^Question No. 228) showing: 1. In 1962, what have been, each month, 
the quantities purchased and sold by the government of (a) whole milk in 
powder form (b) butter (c) cheese? 

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178 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

2. For 1962, have any gifts of dairy products been made to UNICEF or 
to other welfare groups and, if so (a) what are those products (b) in what 
quantities? 

By Mr. Monteith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Report on the 
Work Done, Moneys Expended and Obligations Contracted under the Fitness 
and Amateur Sport Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 
13 of the said Act, chapter 59, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and 
French). 

Ninth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions for Acts 
to annul the marriage of the following, presented on October 25th by Mr. 
Mandziuk, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Marie Imelda Lisette Rajotte Durocher, wife of Maurice Durocher of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Azarie Rene Major of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Louise 
Helene Nadeau Major. 

Patrick Marcel Renaud of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Louise 
Cote Renaud. 

Raymond St-Jacques of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Therese Hart St- 
Jacques. 

Tenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on October 25 by Mr. Mandziuk, meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Walter Barber of Cote St-Luc, Quebec, husband of Mary Agnes Lacey 
Barber. 

Donald Beakes of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Pauline Houle Beakes. 

Guy Bertrand of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Fabiola Mathurin 
Bertrand. 

June Patricia Pain Brown, wife of Ronald Moir Brown of Montreal, Quebec. 

Cecile Marcoux Caille, wife of Roland Caille of Montreal, Quebec. 

Suzanne Pampalon Chasse, wife of Jean Chasse of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margot Scott Bradley Connor, wife of David James Connor of Town of 
Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Lucien Decoeur of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rachel Belanger Decoeur. 

Mary Sheppard Gallagher, wife of Thomas Joseph Gallagher of St. John's, 
Newfoundland. 

Geraldine Cecilia Keating Gohier, wife of Gerald Raymond Gohier of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Harvey Stewart Wycliffe Goodwin of Westmount, Quebec, husband of 
Marilyn Thompson Fisher Goodwin. 

Germain Marie Therese Dubeau Hinksman, wife of John Hugh Dodd 
Hinksman of St. Lambert, Quebec. 

Micheline Deyglun Holowaty, wife of Sem Holowaty of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gilbert Walter Jackson of Croydon, Quebec, husband of Patricia May 
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Violet Maud Willis Jones, wife of David William Jones of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Joseph Laflamme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anne Marie 
Schoenwandt Laflamme. 

Elizabeth Calder Laptew, wife of Paul Constantin Laptew of Westmount, 
Quebec. 

Roland Malaket of the Province of Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Dulude 
Malaket. 

Vida Irene Louise Zwicker McCallum, wife of William Neil McCallum of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Helen Minkoff Oulton, wife of Carl Oulton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph John Paul Raymond Phelps of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of 
Helen Jacqueline Tischuk Phelps. 

John Matthew Hardman Pickford of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of 
Phyllis Wright Pickford. 

Lena Bruyn Quelle, wife of Hendricus Johanns Quelle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Hurley Simmonds, wife of Robert Simmonds of St. John's, New- 
foundland. 

Myrtle Alice Carr Southwood, wife of Harold Thomas Southwood of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Maurice Therrien of St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Antonine Lefebvre 
Therrien. 

Maurice Varin of Montreal-North, Quebec, husband of Pierrette Gariepy 
Varin. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills — Sixth Report, pursuant to 
Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Laurier Allain of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Mildred Butler AUain. 

Juliana Magdelene Rothlaender Ashley, wife of Charles William Ashley of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Alphonse Audet of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gracia Gagnon Audet. 

Edward Joseph Armand Baril of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Therese Bibiane Noel Baril. 

Therese Dube Beaulieu, wife of Romeo Beaulieu of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margit Schlosszer Bene, wife of Janos Gabor Bene of Chibougamau, Quebec. 

Claire Detwiler Bradford, wife of Elwood Joseph Bradford of Beacons- 
field, Quebec. 

Anna Annette Elofer Brahmi, wife of Alfred Emile Isaac Brahmi of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Georgiana Bull Brasseur, wife of Robert Brasseur of Montreal, Quebec. 

Francoise Hebert Campion, wife of Kenneth Rea Campion of Montreal^ 
Quebec. 

Daniel Gaston Jules Caron of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Yolande 
Fouquart Caron. 

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William James Coade of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marguerite Forget 
Coade. 

Rose Norris Coletta, wife of Harold Coletta of Montreal, Quebec. 

Judith MacBeth Complin Cuggy, wife of Kenneth Douglas Cuggy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Mildred Emily Velcoff Dumas, wife of Joseph Adrien Rolland Dumas of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marlene Judith Doubilet Feinstein, wife of Bernard Feinstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Cowan Lecky Frawley, wife of Lawrence Patrick Frawley of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Armand Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Parent 
Gauthier. 

Gordon Gibb of Granby, Quebec, husband of Georgette Carmen Nolin Gibb. 

Amy Sandra Jaques Glendinning, wife of Gerald Ronald Glendinning of 
Hudson, Quebec. 

Leonard Greenfield of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Sheila (Harris) Horo- 
witz Greenfield. 

Margaret Anne Honey Harvey, wife of Edmund Gifford Harvey of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Abie (Allan) Herscovitch of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Fannie (Fay) 
Green Herscovitch. 

Gertraud Hofmann Holzer, wife of Kurt Joseph Holzer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Franklin Dale Hufford of Chomedey, Quebec, husband of Geraldine Anne 
Milner Hufford. 

John Joseph Huitson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Noel Huitson. 

Cacilie Johanna Friederike Hagedorn Kaatz, wife of Herbert Kaatz of St. 
Laurent, Quebec. 

Madeleine Cantin Kallweit, wife of Paul Horst Kallweit of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Eli Kraus of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Rozin Kraus. 

Rhoda Bregman Lipschutz, wife of Jerome Leonard Lipschutz of Cote 
St. Luc, Quebec. 

, William John Loke of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Verna Irene Loke. 

Ella Jane Ward Lyon, wife of John Arthur Lyon of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Marjorie Fulton Maisonet, wife of Harold Edward Maisonet of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

John Elijah Marshalluk of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Rose Anna Baillar- 
geon Marshalluk. 

Werner Burke Michelsen of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Irene Eliza- 
beth Moon Michelsen. 

Thelma Joanette Lawless MacDonald, wife of John Francis MacDonald of 
the Province of Quebec. 

Joseph James Alexander Clermont O'Neill of Les Saules, Quebec, husband 
of Virginia Aucoin O'Neill. 

Paul Orlivsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Regina Depenbusch Orlivsky. 

Maria Sirakis Papadakis, wife of George Papadakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Paul Parizeau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Georgette Clement Parizeau. 

Suzi Elizabeth Locke Perry, wife of Robert Arnold Perry of St. Bruno, 
Quebec. 



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Roland Pilon of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Blanche Robidoux Pilon. 

Marie Henriette Antoinette Marguerite Bloodworth Csurgay Pringle, wife 
of Bruce Welsh Pringle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Olga Eizner Rapoport, wife of Harry Rapoport of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elaine Gleeson Redmond, wife of James Allan Redmond of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Doris Elinor Champ Roberts, wife of John Gilbert Roberts of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jeanette Silver Rosenberg, wife of Leon Rosenberg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Fany Ghimpelman Rubenstein, wife of Claude Henri Rubenstein of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Helen Beverley Johnson Sabo, wife of Stephen Sabo of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Agnes Irene Groundwater Seaman, wife of Terence John Wendell Seaman 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Angelika Vysoky Tasler, wife of Edmund Tasler of Montreal, Quebec. 

Dorothy Alice Silver Usher, wife of Peter Joseph Usher of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jennie Cmikewicz Zajko, wife of Joseph Stanley Zajko of Montreal, Quebec. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. (Eastern Standard Time) , pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 29th OCTOBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Fifteen petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — ^Treasury Board Minute T.B. 602716, approved by Order in Council 
P.C. 1962-1/1536, dated October 26, 1962, establishing an Order for the remis- 
sion of all Customs Duties on certain imported motor-vehicle transmissions 
and controls, engine blocks or stripped engines for certain periods of time 
under certain conditions. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the list of Members to 
compose the Standing Committee on Mines, Forests and Waters, concurred in 
on Friday, October 26, 1962, and recorded at page 165 of Votes and Proceedings, 
be amended by substituting the names of Messrs. Herridge and Martin 
(Timmins) for those of Messrs. Howard and Mather. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 275, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Since the commencement of the decennial census for 1961, has any 
municipality or province raised any objection or complaint to the effect that the 
conduct of the census for the municipality or province was, or would be, incom- 
plete, incorrect, or insufficient; and, if so, what are the details of each such com- 
plaint? 



184 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

2. As a result of these complaints, what action was taken in each case; and 
if such action, in part, was to arrange for additions to the original population 
figures, what differences resulted in each case? 

3. Was each such subsequent action, as referred to in part 2 hereof, satis- 
factory to the complaining party? 

4. As a result of any such subsequent action or from experiences derived 
from the taking of the census, is any action planned to ensure that a more accu- 
rate population count of municipalities will be made in future census-taking? 

Question No. 291, by Mr. Hellyer, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What flights did each of the two Department of Transport Viscount air- 
craft make in the months of January, February, March, and April, of 1960, 1961, 
and 1962? 

2. What was the purpose of each flight? 

3. Who were the passengers in each case? 

*Question No. 355, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Among the new appointments made by the Civil Service Commission in 
1961, how many women and men used the French language in their competitions 
or examinations with respect to U) the 16 appointments to the Public Archives 
(b) the 17 appointments to the Insurance Department (c) the 23 appointments 
to the Auditor-General's Office (d) the 6 appointments to the National Library 
(e) the 6 appointments to the Board of Broadcast Governors (/) the 14 appoint- 
ments to the House of Commons (g) the 13 appointments to the Board of Trans- 
port Commissioners for Canada (h) the 13 appointments to the National Gal- 
lery of Canada and (i) the 11 appointments to the National Energy Board? 

;.),,/ Mr. Halpenny, a Member of th^ Queen's, Priyy Council, presented,— Return 
to the foregoing Order. ,. i ./; • 

^Question No. 367, by Mr. Ouellet, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Did the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation televise the Canadian Open 
Golf Tournament held at Laval-sUr-le-Lac on July 26, 1962, and, if so, (a) on 
whose authority was it broadcast (b) how much broadcast time did the pro- 
gramme occupy (c) was it carried on both the English and French Language 
Networks (d) was the programme sponsored, and, if so, what percentage of 
the cost was met by the sponsor (e) if the programme was unsponsored, what 
was its total cost to the C.B.C.? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
rto the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 383, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Upon what date, by whom, and by what authority did the investigation 
into the alleged conspiracy to bring people of Chinese origin to Canada illegally 
commence, and is it still in progress? 

2. What department or agencies, by names, of the federal government are 
involved in the investigation, and what role is played by each? 

3. How many, if any, members of the R.C.M.P. have been involved (a) full- 
time (b) part-time, in this investigation, and how many days have been con- 
sumed by each such member? 

4. How many, if any, persons in the Department of Citizenship and Immi- 
gration have been involved (a) full-time (b) part-time, in this investigation, 
and how many days have been consumed by each such person? 



A.D. 1962 11 MONDAY, 29th OCTOBER 185 

5. How many, if any, members of the Hong Kong Police have been brought 
to Canada and, with respect to each, what was (a) the date of arrival (b) the 
date of return (c) the transportation costs (d) the salary and expense allow- 
ance (e) other costs by detail (f) the agency or department which paid the 
costs mentioned in parts (c), (d), and (e) and the authority for so paying? 

6. What has been the total cost of this investigation to date for (a) R.C.M.P. 
(b) Department of Citizenship and Immigration (c) Hong Kong Police (d) other 
elements, all by detail? 

Question No. 384, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Since the commencement of the investigation into the alleged conspiracy 
to bring people of Chinese origin to Canada illegally, have any charges been 
laid against any person as a result of that investigation and, if so, with respect 
to each such person, what were (a) his name, address, and occupation (b) his 
history of employment in the Public Service of Canada (c) the wording of the 
charge or charges so laid (d) the results of any Court action, giving the name 
of the Court (e) the penalties, if any, imposed? 

Question No. 386, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Has any employee in the Public Service of Canada, past or present, 
full-time or part-time, casual or otherwise, been the subject of any interroga- 
tion as a result of the investigation into the alleged conspiracy to bring people 
of Chinese origin to Canada illegally? 

*Question No. 412, by Mr. Perron, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What company drafted the plans and specifications for the St. Lawrence 
Seaway? 

2. What was the cost to Canada of the drafting of the said plans? 

3. How many general contractors obtained contracts? 

4. What are the names of each of these contractors? 

5. What was the amount of each contract? 

* Question No. 427, by Mr. Haidasz, — Order of the House for a Return show^ 
ing: 1. What authority has the federal government over the Toronto Harbour 
and its lands? 

2. Who owns the Toronto Harbour and its lands? 

3. What authority has the federal government over the development of the 
Toronto Harbour lands? 

4. How much money has the federal government spent on the development 
of the Toronto Harbour? 

5. Does the federal government derive any revenue from the operations 
of the Toronto Harbour and its lands? 

6. Has the Department of Transport received any request for approval of 
development of Toronto Harbour lands and, if so, what was the decision? 

7. Does the Department of Transport have any regulations concerning 
height of buildings close to the Toronto Island Airport and, if so, what are 
these regulations? 

Question No. 444, by Mr. Marcoux, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Did the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation send representatives to the 
headquarters of the various political parties on June 18, 1962, and, if so, how 
many persons comprised each team? 
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186 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH U 

2. What is the name of the sponsor who paid for these broadcasts? 

3. What has been the cost to the C.B.C. of such broadcasts? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — ^Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 476, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Has the government received, since 1957, any formal submissions from the 
Government of British Columbia for a contribution toward extension of the 
Pacific and Great Eastern Railway from Prince George to Fort St. John and 
Dawson Creek and, if so, when were these made, what sum was sought, and 
what action was taken? 



* Question No. 491, by Mr. Ryan, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Does the government exercise any emergency power over the export or 
import of all goods of a dangerous nature and, if so, how? 

Question No. 498, by Mr. Laprise, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. In the County of Chapleau, what are the projects which the federal gov- 
ernment has undertaken jointly with the Quebec provincial government during 
the years 1960-61 and 1961-62? 

2. What was the amount of the federal contribution to each of these 
projects? 

Question No. 518, by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), — Order of the House for a 
Return showing: 1. Is there an organization known as Maple Leaf Services 
operating canteens at certain locations of the Canadian Army and providing 
refreshments to ranks below the rank of sergeant and, if not, is there any 
organization operated for that purpose, and what is its name? 

2. If the answer to the above is in the affirmative (a) what is the legal 
nature of the organization (i) body corporate (ii) partnership or (iii) sole 
proprietorship (b) if the organization is incorporated (i) under the laws of 
what jurisdiction was it incorporated (ii) is it incorporated with the object 
of profit or gain to its shareholders or members (iii) what is the address of its 
principal place of business (iv) what are the names and addresses of its direc- 
tors and officers (v) and what was the last rank in Her Majesty's service (if 
any) held by each of the above persons (c) if the organization is a partnership 
or a sole proprietorship, what are the names and addresses and last rank in 
Her Majesty's service (if any) held by each of the partners or the sole 
proprietor, as the case may be? 

3. Has an agreement been entered into between Her Majesty the Queen 
and the organization for the provision of canteen facilities to ranks of the 
Canadian Army below the rank of sergeant and, if so (a) what was the date 
of such agreement (b) how long does it continue in force (c) is there any 
provision for its early termination by Her Majesty the Queen and (d) is any 
right reserved to Her Majesty to control the prices charged at such canteens? 

4. Are the Sergeants' and/or Officers' Messes at any or all of the Canadian 
Army locations at which the organization operates, required to purchase their 
supplies from the organization, and is the current price for beer, soft drinks, 
coffee and doughnuts at the establishment of the organization at Camp Gage- 
town in excess of the current price for such articles at the Officers' and/or 
Sergeants' Messes at such camp and, if so, why? 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 29th OCTOBER 187 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (S)"] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 5 having been called for the first time was allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



Mr. Rouleau, seconded by Mr. Robichaud, moved, — That, in the opinion 
of this House, the government should give consideration to the advisability 
of introducing, during the current session of Parliament, legislation that would 
facilitate the employment, in federal works, undertakings, or businesses, as 
defined in section 2 of chapter 38 of the Statutes of Canada, 1956, or in any 
corporation, set up to perform some function or duty on behalf of the Gov- 
ernment of Canada, of male or female persons over 45 years of age who, on 
account of their age, find it difficult to secure employment at the present time. — 
(Notice of Motion No. 6). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Ways and Means resumed, and progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Coimcil, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
October 24, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

Eleventh Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on October 26th meet the requirements of Standing Order 
70: 

The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada" 
and/or the name ''La Souveraine, compagnie d'assurance-vie du Canada". — 
Mr. Mandziuk. 
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John Atkinson and five others, all of the city of Toronto, Ontario, for an 
Act to incorporate Allstate Life Insurance Company of Canada. — Mr. Hanhidge. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Seventh Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the; following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Donald Beakes of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Pauline Houle Beakes. 

Guy Bertrand of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Fabiola Mathurin Ber- 
trand. 

Cecile Marcoux Caille, wife of Roland Caille of Montreal, Quebec. 

Suzanne Pampalon Chasse, wife of Jean Chasse of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margot Scott Bradley Connor, wife of David James Connor of the Town of 
Mount-Royal, Quebec. 

Lucien Decoeur of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rachel Belanger Decoeur. 

Mary Sheppard Gallagher, wife of Thomas Joseph Gallagher of St. John's, 
Newfoundland. 

Geraldine Cecilia Keating Gohier, wife of Gerald Raymond Gohier of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Germaine Marie Therese Dubeau Hinksman, wife of John Hugh Dodd 
Hinksman of St. Lambert, Quebec. 

John Joseph Laflamme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anne Marie 
Schoenwandt Laflamme. 

Elizabeth Calder Laptew, wife of Paul Constantin Laptew of Westmount, 
Quebec. 

Vida Irene Louise Zwicker McCallum, wife of William Neil McCallum of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Helen Minkoff Oulton, wife of Carl Oulton of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Matthew Hardman Pickford of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Phyl- 
lis Wright Pickford. 

Lena Bruyn Quelle, wife of Hendricus Johanns Quelle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Myrtle Alice Carr Southwood, wife of Harold Thomas Southwood of the 
Province of Quebec. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 30th OCTOBER 18^ 

No. 23 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 30th OCTOBER, 1962. 



2.30 o*clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-5, An Act respecting 
The Eastern Trust Company; 

Mr. Morris, seconded by Mr. Mandziuk, moved, — ^That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 

By unanimous consent, all divorce bills standing for second reading on the 
Order Paper were allowed to stand. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



190 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-15, An Act to pro- 
vide for Pay for Statutory Holidays for Employees and for Pay for Work 
Performed on Statutory Holidays in Federal Works, Undertakings and 
Businesses; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Barnett, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Ways and Means resumed, and progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report, dated October 4, 1962, of the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, 
under the Combines Investigation Act, concerning the Distribution and Sale of 
Electric Appliances, Electric Shavers and Accessory Products (Sunbeam 
Corporation (Canada) Limited). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to 
an Order of the House dated October 22, 1962, (Question No. 266) showing: 
1. What have been the total exports of (a) wheat and wheat flour (b) all 
grains, from Canada during the periods 1952 to 1956, 1957 to 1961, and since 
January 1, 1962, in terms of both volume and dollar value? 

2. During each of these periods, what quantity of grains (broken down as 
above) was exported to countries under Communist domination? 

3. What was the value of such exports? 

4. What is (a) the maximum amount of credit that has been advanced to 
finance such exports to countries under Communist domination (b) the present 
amount of credit outstanding in connection with such exports? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 24, 
1962, (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 27) for a Table listing 
particulars of merchant vessels for which a ship-building subsidy assistance has 
been paid or for which contracts have been approved, as of October 15, 1962, 
covering the shipyard, the name of the vessel, the type of vessel, the approved 
capital cost, the amount of the subsidy, the gross tonnage, and the name of the 
owner, in the same manner as outlined in Table VI, Appendix "F" of the 
Fifteenth Report of the Canadian Maritime Commission, June 29, 1962. 

Twelfth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on October 29th by Mr. Mandziuk, meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Maria Adalgisa (Gisele) Rossignoli Abbruzzese, wife of Fernando Abbruz- 
zese of Montreal, Quebec. 



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Dolores Mary Constant Budziaszek, wife of Charles Isadozr Budziaszek 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jethro Garland Crocker of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Mary- 
Jane Burry Crocker. 

Mary Margaret Una Breau Fauchon, wife of Jean Paul Fauchon of Pierre- 
fonds, Quebec. 

Nicolle Potvin Fleurant, wife of Jean Louis Fleurant of Montreal, Quebec. 

Helen Doreen Nesbitt Gearey, wife of Wayne Norman Gearey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Yves Marie Aime Jouanet of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Ray- 
monde Jeannine Portay Jouanet. 

Ernst Krebs of Como, Quebec, husband of Anna Klara Krieg Krebs. 

Gwendolyn Grace Parsons Lanctot, wife of Pierre Lanctot of Ste. Margue- 
rite Station, Quebec. 

John Andrew Milne of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Doris Robertson 
Milne. 

Frank Hamilton Mingie, Junior, of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, hus- 
band of Ruth Evelyn Norris Mingie. 

Barbara Winnifred Kurtz Oleschuk, wife of Edward Oleschuk of St. Hilaire, 
Quebec. 

Molly Cohen Sacks, wife of Melvin Sacks of Montreal, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Wunderlich of St. Hyacinthe, Quebec, husband of Eike Foelsche 
Wunderlich. 

Muriel Howarth Bazley Hulbig, wife of William John Hulbig of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — ^Eighth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

John Atkinson and five others, all of the city of Toronto, Ontario, for an 
Act to incorporate Allstate Life Insurance Company of Canada. 

William E. Drayton, of the City of Montreal, Quebec, and two others, for 
an Act to incorporate "The Christian Brothers of Ireland in Canada". 

The Trustee Board of The Presbyterian Church in Canada and The Execu- 
tive of the Administrative Council of The Presbyterian Church in Canada for 
an Act to amend the Act of Incorporation of The Trustee Board of the said 
Church. 

The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of 
Canada" and/or the name "La Souveraine, compagnie d'assurance-vie du 
Canada". 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Ninth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Jethro Garland Crocker of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Mary 
Jane Burry Crocker. 



192 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Doreen Klara Whitehouse Culmer, wife of Ronald Herbert Henry Culmer 
of Sorel, Quebec. 

Edward Dorozowsky of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Tatiana Roxolana 
Diduch Dorozowsky. 

Jean Mildred Giberson Fillmore, wife of Eric Edwin Fillmore of Roxboro, 
Quebec. 

Marie Aline Martine Boucher France, wife of Sidney T. France of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Honore Goyer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Rose Baignee 
Goyer. 

Muriel Howarth Bazley Hulbig, wife of William John Hulbig of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Pierre Lacasse of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Huguette Leblanc Lacasse. 

Gwendolyn Grace Parsons Lanctot, wife of Pierre Lanctot of Ste. Margue- 
rite Station, Quebec. 

Edna Anne Stanley MacPherson, wife of George Anthony MacPherson of 
St. Basile-le-Grand, Quebec. 

Margaret Rose Hamel McDuff, wife of Leonard Edward McDuff of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

John Andrew Milne of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Doris Robertson 
Milne. 

Frank Hamilton Mingie, Junior, of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband 
of Ruth Evelyn Norris Mingie. 

Patricia McCarthy Sabetta, wife of Joseph Louis Jacques Sabetta of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Molly Cohen Sacks, wife of Melvin Sacks of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jacqueline Dussault Serrati, wife of Giovanni Serrati of Montreal, Quebec. 

Willa Keith McLaren Thomson, wife of Garth Patrick Thomson of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Maurice Varin of Montreal-North, Quebec, husband of Pierrette Gariepy 
Varin. 

Karl Heinz Wunderlich of St. Hyacinthe, Quebec, husband of Eike Foelsche 
Wunderlich. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 31st OCTOBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Twenty-eight petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance 
with Standing Order 70(1). 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 260, by Mr. Nielsen, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What are the tons and ton-miles of freight moved on equipment owned 
by Eldorado Aviation Limited during the years 1959, 1960, and 1961 tabulated 
as follows (a) total from and to all points within the company system north- 
bound (b) total from and to all points within the company system southbound 
(c) from Edmonton, Alberta, to all points within the Northwest Territories (d) 
from all points within the Northwest Territories to Edmonton (e) from all 
points within the company system destined for Distant Early Warning station 
sites (/) from Distant Early Warning station sites to all points within the com- 
pany system (g) from all points within the company system to all points 
within the system of Northern Transportation Company Limited (h) from all 
points within the system of Northern Transportation Company Limited to all 
points within the system of Eldorado Aviation Limited? 

2. Of the total tonnage and ton-miles moved within the Northwest Terri- 
tories, what percentage of each of these totals was moved for (a) Crown cor- 
porations (b) government departments (c) Distant Early Warning station 
sites (d) consignees other than above? 



194 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

3. What was the total number of passengers carried during the years 1959, 
1960, and 1961 tabulated in the same manner as part 1 above? 

4. What was the total number of passengers carried for (a) Crown corpora- 
tions (b) government departments (c) Distant Early Warning station sites (d) 
persons, firms, or corporations other than above? 

5. What gross revenue was earned by Eldorado Aviation Limited in each 
year 1959, 1960, and 1961 from the carriage of goods within the Northwest Ter- 
ritories tabulated as follows (a) goods carried for Crown corporations (b) 
goods carried for Canadian government departments (c) goods carried for 
Distant Early Warning station sites (d) goods carried for consignees other than 
(a), (b),or (c)? 

6. What gross revenue was earned by Eldorado Aviation Limited in each 
year 1959, 1960, and 1961 from the carriage of passengers within the Northwest 
Territories tabulated in the same manner as for part 5 above? 

7. What was the gross revenue earned by Eldorado Aviation Limited in 
each year 1959, 1960, and 1961 from the carriage of passengers to and from all 
points outside of the Northwest Territories tabulated in the same manner as 
for part 5 above? 

8. Of the total tonnage provided for carriage by Eldorado Aviation Limited, 
what tonnage was allocated to Canadian (private enterprise) carriers by 
Eldorado Aviation Limited for movement within the Northwest Territories or 
outside the Northwest Territories during the years 1959, 1960, and 1961? 

9. What sources of revenue has Eldorado Aviation Limited other than from 
the carriage of goods or passengers by air? 

10. Other than transportation operations, what business activities are car- 
ried on by Eldorado Aviation Limited? 

11. What is the yearly statement of income and expenditures in tabulated 
form, in totals and in cents per ton-mile for the years 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 
1960, and 1961, of yearly (a) freight earnings (b) revenue passenger earnings 
(c) miscellaneous earnings, other than freight revenue (d) operating expenses 
(e) administrative expenses (/) depreciation (g) operating profits (h) Income 
Tax paid (i) net profit? 

12. What is the total number of aircraft accidents occurring either on the 
ground, on the water, or in the air, which involved company aircraft during 
the years 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, and 1961, indicating the type of aircraft 
involved in each accident and the cost of each accident with a brief statement 
of the cause? 

13. What is the total number of non-revenue paying passengers carried by 
the company in company aircraft to and from all points tabulated in the same 
manner as for parts 1 and 2 above f-or the years 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 
and 1961? 

Question No. 351, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: For each of the Indian Agencies of Babine, Terrace, Bella Coola, Skeena 
River, Burns Lake, and Queen Charlottes, how much money has been expended 
by fiscal years since 1957 for (a) house building (b) housing repairs (c) welfare 
(relief) (d) roads (e) water systems, and (f) sewage systems? 

Mr. McGee, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 31ST OCTOBER 195 

Question No. 353, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Since January 1, 1957, how many, if any, people have been ordered to 
be deported shown by country of origin and citizenship? 

2. How many of these have not been so deported with the reasons given 
in each case? 

Mr. McGee, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 416, by Mr. Crossman, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What is the total number of contracts awarded by the Department 
of Public Works since April 1957 to date for the construction of wharves and 
for breakwaters in Kent County, New Brunswick? 

2. What are the names and addresses of persons who submitted tenders 
for each project? 

3. What are the amounts submitted by each tenderer for each project, and 
who was the successful tenderer in each case? 

Mr. McCleave, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works, 
presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

* Question No. 421, by Mr. Drouin, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What was the quantity, by provinces, of poultry (turkey, chicken, etc.) 
imported for consumption during the last fiscal year? 

2. From what countries was the poultry imported? 

3. What was the total price paid by the importers for this poultry? 

Mr. Nesbitt, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade and Com- 
merce, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 504, by Mr. Bourbonnais, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What amounts has the federal government contributed to the Winter 
Works Program carried out by the municipalities of the Province of Quebec? 

2. Are payments by the federal government for such works made regularly 
as progress reports are received from Quebec? 

3. Are there any municipalities of the Province of Quebec to which the 
federal government has refused to pay its share and, if so, give the list of the 
said municipalities and state the amount involved in each case? 

Mr. Hales, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 507, by Mr. Ryan, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What are the addresses of the various offices of the Canadian Broad- 
casting Corporation in Metropolitan Toronto? 

2. How many of these offices are rented by the said Corporation? 

3. What is the total monthly rent paid for the rented offices? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 508, by Mr. Garland, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Has the Secretary of State directly, or through the Office of the Prime 



196 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH U 

Minister, received any representations protesting against the character of the 
T.V. program called "Quest", broadcast from the C.B.C. Toronto Studios on 
Sunday evening, October 21, on the grounds of alleged indecency? 

2. Has the Minister brought these complaints to the attention of the C.B.C. 
management? 

3. Have similar complaints been received by the President of the Canadian 
Broadcasting Corporation? 

4. Has the Minister had any conversation or correspondence with any 
officials of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in respect to this program? 

5. What avenues are open to the Canadian public to protest against this 
program and any similar programs on the C.B.C? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 525, by Mr. Rouleau, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Have any contracts been awarded to Canadian Aviation Electronics Ltd. 
of St. Laurent, Quebec, since July 1, 1957, and, if so, how many, what was the 
nature of each contract, and what was the amount of each such contract? 

Question No. 526, by Mr. Rouleau, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Have any contracts been awarded to Canadair Ltd. at St. Laurent, Quebec, 
since July 1, 1957, and, if so, how many, what was the nature of each contract, 
and what was the amount of each contract? 

^Question No. 530, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Is either the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation or the Board of Broad- 
cast Governors aware that Lakehead Videon, a cable TV enterprise at Port 
Arthur and Fort William, is distributing to its patrons East- West football games 
which are carried on the CTV network and, if so, has either the CBC or 
the BBG examined this situation from a legal or jurisdictional point of view to 
determine whether the intent of the Broadcasting Act is being circumvented by 
such television services of live programs? 

2. Has either the CBC or the BBG held discussions with the Department 
of Transport in recent months on this general problem and on the specific one 
presented by Lakehead Videon? 

3. Has either the CBC or the BBG made any recommendations to the Gov- 
ernor in Council regarding this situation? 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 33 and 35) having 
been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Lamoureux, seconded by Mr. Drury, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between the 
Minister of Mines and Technical Surveys, or any officer of that Department, 
and all governmental departments of the Provinces of Ontario and Quebec, 
dated since January 1, 1961, pertaining to the boundaries of Ontario and 
Quebec in Lake St. Francis. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 34). 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 31st OCTOBER 197 

On motion of Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Haidasz, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House copies of all correspondence and memo- 
randa between W. P. Chrysler, Jr., and the National Gallery of Canada, between 
June 1 and October 15, 1962. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 36). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant tq 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

i-- (Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 5 having been called a second time was, by unanimous consent, 
allowed to stand and retain its position on the Order Paper, notwithstanding 
the provisions of Standing Order 48(1), until the honourable Member for 
Chicoutimi (Mr. Cote) returns to the House from a Parliamentary mission to 
Brazil. 



^-^ Item No. 7 having been called for the first time was allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the Divorce Act, 1930, be amended by extending the grounds for which 
a divorce a vinculo matrimonii may be granted so as to include desertion for 
three years, legal cruelty, and incurable insanity. — (Notice of Motion No. 8). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 22, 1962, (Question No. 273) showing: 
1. Has a slave-labour allowance been paid to the ex-prisoners of war captured 
at Hong Kong and, if not, is the payment of such an allowance under active 
consideration? 

2. Has a benevolent fund been set up for ex-prisoners of war captured at 
Hong Kong from the War Claims Fund as recommended by the Veterans Affairs 
Committee of the House of Commons and, if not, why not? 



198 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

3. What amount has been paid from the War Claims Fund to each approved 
claimant? 

4. What claims are still outstanding, and what is the amount of each such 
claim? 

5. What has been the cost to the War Claims Fund of administration of the 
Fund? 

6. What is the balance in the War Claims Fund at present? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — ^Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (Question No. 284) showing: 1. How many persons with less than 20 
years' regular and wartime service have been released with pension from each 
of the armed services during each of the years since 1955? 

2. Were any of these persons released because of inefficiency or misconduct 
and, if so, how many in each year, in each service, and for what reason? 

3. How many persons with over 20 years' regular and wartime service have 
been honourably released from each of the armed services without entitlement 
to a pension since 1955? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (Question No. 295) showing: Have any cutbacks in current expenditures 
been authorized in the Indian Affairs Branch, or any other department of 
government, connected with Indian Affairs as a result of the general policy of 
the government to reduce outlays? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (Question No. 327) showing: 1. What is the average retirement age of 
regular Army personnel, and what is the average length of service? 

2. Are retired Army personnel subject to recall? 

3. How many Army, Navy and Air Force personnel have been retired 
from Active Service since April 1, 1961? 

4. Did the government consult with the NATO Command prior to August 
24, 1962, when the Minister of National Defence announced cuts in the Canadian 
Armed Forces? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 17, 
1962, (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 6) for copies of all 
correspondence, reports, etc. relating to the provision of airport services for 
Peterborough, Ontario, that have been exchanged between the government, 
including DOT and the Prime Minister's office, and any other persons or 
organizations since January 1, 1962. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Address, dated October 24, 1962, to His 
Excellency the Governor General (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 7) for a copy of all correspondence between the Government of 
Canada or any Minister, department or agency thereof and the International 
Monetary Fund, the Export Import Bank, the Federal Reserve Bank and the 
Bank of England concerning Canada's exchange reserves, dated since May 1, 
1962, and any documents or memoranda referred to in such correspondence or 
otherwise exchanged between the government and the institutions named 
herein. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 31ST OCTOBER 199 

At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 25 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 1st NOVEMBER, 1962. 



r; 2.30 o'clock p.m. , 

'^•'V" ■ PRAYEks. ' ", . -' 

' ' Two petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 

The Honourable Member for Laurier (Mr. Chevrier), having drawn the 
attention of the House to a letter which appeared in this morning's issue of 
Le Devoir; 

And the said newspaper having been laid upon the Table, an article therein 
was read by the Clerk of the House, which is as follows: 

{Translation) 
BILINGUALISM 

Bernard Dumont Complains of the Attitude of the Speaker of the 
House of Commons, Mr. M. Lambert 

Mr. Bernard Dumont, Social Credit Member for the riding of Belle- 
chasse, raised a protest against the "gag" used by the Speaker of the 
House of Commons, Mr. Marcel Lambert, to prevent questions on 
bihngualism from being asked. 

Mr. Dumont sent the following letter to the Speaker of the House: 

"My question is directed to the Minister of National Defence. 

"Does the Department of National Defence still have the simul- 
taneous translation system which was used in a room of the Parliament 
Building for the Universal Postal Congress? 

"Could that system be installed in a room in the West Block so that 
the meetings of the Committee on Agriculture and other Committees 
could be made bilingual?" 



202 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

To the copy of that letter he sent to Le Devoir, Mr. Dumont added 
this: 

"An English person might be blamed for banning questions on 
simultaneous translation, but it is unforgivable in the case of a Speaker 
whose name is Lambert and who is aware of minorities' difficulties 
since he was born in Edmonton. The same question was asked on 
October 18, 1957, and at page 135 of Hansard, Speaker Michener per- 
mitted a discussion on the matter; but today, because the problem is 
being discussed by a Social Crediter, the Speaker rules the question out 
of order, probably because he is anti-Social Credit. 

That is very serious since it is an insult to French Canadians who 
are asking for the installation of simultaneous translation equipment 
used at the Universal Postal Congress and which the Department of 
National Defence has in its possession. 

So, once again, the French Canadians' rights are encroached upon 
and the 92,000 farmers earning less than $1,200 a year will not have 
an opportunity to state their case since everything will be carried out 
in English. 

Newspapers were right when they said that we should have had a 
Speaker from Quebec to represent us. 



Whereupon Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. Balcer, moved, — ^That the 
article appearing in the issue of the newspaper Le Devoir of Thursday 1st 
November 1962, under the heading "LE BILINGUISME" and the words therein 
attributed to Mr. Bernard Dumont, Member of Parliament for the constituency 
of BeUechasse, alleged to have been contained in a letter or letters written by 
the said Member, be referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections for consideration and report. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-71, An Act to 
amend the Farm Credit Act; 

Mr. Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Fulton, moved, — ^That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 



And debate arising thereon; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-63, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance 
Act, without amendment. 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

1st November, 1962. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, P.C., 
Chief Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 1st NOVEMBER 203 

Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 1st Novem- 
ber, at 5.45 p.m. for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members* Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order ISiS)"] 

(Private Bills) 

By unanimous consent, all divorce bills standing for second reading on 
the Order Paper were allowed to stand. 

INotices of Motions (Papers)"] 

Item No. 16 in the name of Mr. Martin (Essex East) was allowed to stand 
pursuant to Order made Thursday, October 25, 1962. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-16, An Act to pro- 
vide for the Establishment of a Hospital Sweepstakes Board; 

Mr. Smith (Calgary South), seconded by Mr. Horner (Acadia), moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, Chief Jus- 
tice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor Gen- 
eral, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable the 
Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, His 
Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the 
following bill: 

An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act. 



204 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Hamilton, seconded 
by Mr. Fulton, — That Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, be now- 
read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Commit- 
tee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to 
an Order of the House, dated October 17, 1962, {Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 21) for a copy of all briefs, letters, and submissions 
presented to the government or any agency or branch thereof, since January 22, 
1962, dealing with Bill C-38 of the fifth session of the twenty-fourth Parliament 
of Canada; namely. The Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Bill. 

By Mr. Halpenny, Return to an Order of the House, dated October 17, 
1962, {"^Question No. 187) showing: 1. What amount of taxes has been collected 
in 1961 by the federal government from the Quebec private power companies? 

2. What amounts are expected to be collected in 1962? 

3. What percentage of these amounts is given back to the Province of 
Quebec under the federal-provincial tax agreements? 

By Mr. Halpenny, Return to, an Order of the House, dated October 29, 1962, 
(Question No. 275) showing: 1. Since the commencement of the decennial 
census for 1961, has any municipality or province raised any objection or com- 
plaint to the effect that the conduct of the census for the municipality or prov- 
ince was, or would be, incomplete, incorrect, or insufficient; and, if so, what 
are the details of each such complaint? 

2. As a result of these complaints, what action was taken in each case; and 
if such action, in part, was to arrange for additions to the original population 
figures, what differences resulted in each case? 

3. Was each such subsequent action, as referred to in part 2 hereof, satis- 
factory to the complaining party? 

4. As a result of any such subsequent action or from experiences derived 
from the taking of the census, is any action planned to ensure that a more 
accurate population count of municipalities will be made in future census-tak- 
ing? 

Thirteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the fol- 
lowing for divorce Acts, presented on October 31st by Mr. Mandziuk, meet the 
requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Catherine Gerasimos Temponeras Andrulakis, wife of Miltiadis George 
Andrulakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Jeanne Dumont Beaulieu, wife of J. E. Roger Bernard Beaulieu of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



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Carole Grace Kathleen Campbell Vassilieff (Vance), wife of William Vas- 
silieff (Vance) of St. Basile-le-Grand, Quebec. 

Claire Limoges Cyr, wife of Jean Guy Cyr of Ste. Anne-de-Bellevue, 
Quebec. 

Edward Czerniak of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jeanne Charlebois 
Czerniak. 

Marie Raymonde Violetta Douillard Dalpe, wife of Donald Dalpe of Drum- 
mondville, Quebec. 

Albert Desjardins of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gilda (Giselle) La- 
porte Desjardins. 

Kate Lester Gillman, wife of Saul Gillman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gilles Graveline of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marielle Demers 
Graveline. 

Arthur Bruce Hann of Musgravetown, Newfoundland, husband of Minnie 
Jane Little Hann. 

George Hann of Lewisporte, Newfoundland, husband of Lavinia Pearl Can- 
ning Hann. 

Maurice Hayman of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Claudette Rettinger 
Hayman. 

Robert Inglis, Junior, of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Dorothy Edith Dodd 
Inglis. 

Hazel Vera Caines Kennedy, wife of Michael Francis Kennedy of St. John's, 
Newfoundland. 

Stephen Alexander Lantos of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Luise 
Schmidt Lantos. 

Hipolite Paul MoUa of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Louisa Gagnon Molla. 

Ellen Joan Lovell McGuigan, wife of Edward McGuigan of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie Frances Theuerkauf McMahon, wife of Gordon Eric McMahon of 
Chateauguay Heights, Quebec. 

Jane Hanson Phillips, wife of William Edward Stock Phillips of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Marjorie Helen Stainer Poirier, wife of Vernon Leo Joseph Poirier of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Jean Guy Prud'homme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Aimee Lamontagne 
Prud'homme. 

Dorothy Allen Rivard, wife of Louis Georges Rivard of Three Rivers, 
Quebec. 

Valera Marion Moore Robb, wife of John Lynwood Robb of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gerda Margarete Brodersen Ruhnau, wife of Willi Gustav Ruhnau of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Viviane Hirsch-Montmartin Seguin, wife of Joseph Benjamin Fernand 
Seguin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kathleen Stokes Sangster, wife of John Sangster of Montreal, Quebec. 

Barbara June Ibberson Thompson, wife of Chester Howard Thompson of 
Ville St. Pierre, Quebec. 

Jacqueline Lois Lubben Sawers, wife of Michael David Sawers of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



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By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Tenth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Catherine Gerasimos Temponeras Andrulakis, wife of Miltiadis George An- 
drulakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Jeanne Dumont Beaulieu, wife of J. E. Roger Bernard Beaulieu of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Raymonde Violetta Douillard Dalpe, wife of Donald Dalpe of Drum- 
mondville, Quebec. 

Kate Lester Gillman, wife of Saul Gillman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gilles Graveline of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marielle Demers 
Graveline. 

Arthur Bruce Hann of Musgravetown, Newfoundland, husband of Minnie 
Jane Little Hann. 

Robert Inglis, Junior, of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Dorothy Edith 
Dodd Inglis. 

Stephen Alexander Lantos of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Luise 
Schmidt Lantos. 

Jean Guy Prud'homme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Aimee Lamontagne 
Prud'homme. 

Gerda Margarete Brodersen Ruhnau, wife of Willi Gustav Ruhnau of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Kathleen Stokes Sangster, wife of John Sangster of Montreal, Quebec. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received 
from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election and return of 
Thomas Clement Douglas, Esquire, Member for the electoral district of 
Burnaby-Coquitlam. 



CANADA 
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 

To the Clerk of the House of Commons: 

THIS IS TO CERTIFY that pursuant to a writ dated on the sixth day of 
September, 1962, and addressed to Laura Grier, of Burnaby, in the Province 
of British Columbia, for the election of a Member to serve in the House of 
Commons of Canada for the electoral district of Burnaby-Coquitlam, in the 
place and stead of Erhart Regier, who has resigned, T. C. Tommy Douglas, 
7428- 6th Street, Burnaby 3, British Columbia, political leader, has been returned 
as elected. 

GIVEN under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this second day of 
November, 1962. 

N. CASTONGUAY (L.S.), 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



Thomas Clement Douglas, Esquire, Member for the electoral district of 
Burnaby-Coquitlam, having taken and subscribed the oath required by Law, 
took his seat in the House. 



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Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
—Order in Council P.C. 1962-1575, dated November 1, 1962, passed under the 
provisions of the Inquiries Act, chapter 154, R.S.C., 1952, appointing certain 
Commissioners (The Honourable Mr. Justice Yves Bernier, Chairman), to 
inquire into and report upon the Problems relating to Marine Pilotage provided 
in Canada. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said Order in Council be 
printed as an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) '\ 

(Public Bills) 

The Order for the second reading of Bill C-13, An Act respecting the 
Solicitor General Act, having been read and not proceeded with, it dropped 
to the foot of the list on the Order Paper. 

The Order for the second reading of Bill C-14, An Act respecting Indians, 
having been read and not proceeded with, it dropped to the foot of the list 
on the Order Paper. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-17, An Act to amend 
the Civil Service Act (Negotiation and Arbitration); 

Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Richard, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-6, An Act respecting The North American General Insurance Com- 
pany. — Mr. Turner. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Trans- 
port for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 34 of the Depart- 
ment of Transport Act, chapter 79, R.S.C., 1952. 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 2nd NOVEMBER 209 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to 
an Order of the House, dated October 17, 1962, (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 4) for a copy of the Report made by W. J. Morris of 
the University of Manitoba regarding a survey of conditions at the Red Lake 
Indian Reserve. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 17) showing: 1. What is the annual wage bill for all 
hospital employees in Canada (a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals? 

2. What is the total number of employees working in hospitals in Canada 
(a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals? 

3. What is the number of employees per bed working in hospitals in 
Canada (a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals? 

4. What was the estimated amount being spent in 1959, 1960, and 1961, 
on the construction of hospitals (a) general hospitals (b) mental hospitals; and, 
how much of this was contributed by the federal government? 

5. How does the average hourly rate for general employees in hospitals 
compare with the average hourly rate in the transportation industry, the 
primary and secondary industries? 

6. What is the comparison of wages paid to (a) nurses (b) social workers 
(c) psychologists (d) nursing assistants (e) cleaners (f) kitchen staff, in 
federal hospitals as compared with community hospitals? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 78) showing: Since June 17, 1962, what construction 
projects have been (a) cancelled, or (b) postponed, in New Westminster 
Constituency areas including Langley, Surrey and Delta Municipalities, New 
Westminster, Langley and White Rock Cities; and, what is the estimated cost 
of the (a) cancelled or (b) postponed projects? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 17, 
1962, (Question No. 240) showing: 1. In respect of each of the National Parks 
of Canada (a) what is the name (b) when was it established (c) in what 
Province is it located (d) what has been the total capital investment (e) what 
has been the operating profit or loss in the years 1955 to present (f) how many: 
(i) vehicles (ii) persons, entered each of the National Parks in the years 1955 
to the present? 

2. Have any negotiations taken place between the Government of Canada 
and the Government of the Province of British Columbia towards establish- 
ment of a National Park on the Pacific Coast? 

By Mr. Hamilton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report for 
1961 of the Board of Grain Commissioners for Canada. (French). 

Fourteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on November 1st, meet the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Central Canada Synod of the 
Lutheran Church in America", and for other purposes. — Mr. More. 

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Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec for an Act to merge and amal- 
gamate certain existing incorporated Boards for the purpose of continuing as 
one corporate entity under the name of "Baptist Convention of Ontario and 
Quebec". — Mr. Bradley. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Fifty-six petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 



Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Laing, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-72, An Act respecting the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 366, by Mr. Teillet, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Was a piece of property belonging to the late William Beech at Churchill, 
Manitoba, expropriated at the time the railway was extended to that port and, if 
so, what price was paid for the said property, and what was its extent? 

2. What use is being made of the said property at the present time? 

3. Is this property suitable for an extension of the town site and, if so, 
is any consideration being given to its use for that purpose? 

Question No. 403, by Miss LaMarsh, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. How many aircraft, and of what type, are available from the 
Department of Transport for so-called VIP flights? 

2. When, and under what authority, were they purchased? 

3. Are these aircraft used by the Department for any other purpose and, if 
so, what? 

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4. What VIP flights were made in 1962 by these aircraft, by whom, and 
what was their destination? 

5. How many VIP pilots and co-pilots are employed by the Department, 
and (a) what is the annual salary and qualifications of each (b) how many of 
such pilots and/or co-pilots were employed in 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961 and 
1962 (c) aside from piloting such flights, what are their other duties? 

6. Does the Department own a Lockheed "Jet Star" and, if so (a) when 
was it purchased (b) at what cost (c) for what purpose (d) what sum or sums 
have been expended to modify it (e) when (/) how many hours has it flown 
(g) what has been the purpose of these flights (h) how many passengers does 
it carry (i) what is the cost to the Department for one hour's flying time of this 
aircraft (j) has it ever been used for high-level calibration? 

Question No. 460, by Mr. Howard,— Order of the House for a Return 
showing: What ships of the Canadian Government comprise the Canadian 
Coast Guard? 

Mr. McBain, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 554, by Mr. Maclnnis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1, What is the pension entitlement of a man who has served 20 years or 
more with the armed forces? 

2. Are there any cases on record where a man has served for 20 years or 
more and has not received a pension and, if so, what are the details of the cases 
involved, and what were the regulations in each case that prevented the pay- 
ment of a pension? 

3. Are there provisions in the Act or in the Regulations governing service 
pensions which allow a pension to be paid to a person who has been discharged 
for inefficiency or misconduct, providing he has served 10 years or more and, 
if so, what are these provisions? 

4. Has the government received any representations on, or is it giving con- 
sideration to, amendments to the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act 
or the regulations involved which would enable a service man to retire from the 
armed services at his own request after 20 years or more service and entitle him 
to a pension and, if so, will such amendments be retroactive? 

*Question No. 573, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Do the two Indian Reserves at Longlac, Ontario, have hydro electric 
service and (a) if not, have any requests been received from the Band Councils 
for assistance or total financial support in the wiring and service of the homes 
on these Reserves (b) if so, when, and what disposal was made of the request? 

2. How many homes built by the Indian Affairs Branch are on each reserve? 

3. Has the Branch provided wiring and taken the lead in developing hydro 
electric service on many other Reserves in Canada? 

4. Has the Branch an estimate of what it would cost to provide such wiring 
and service to each of these Reserves? 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 5th NOVEMBER 213 

Question No. 590, by Mr, Roxburgh, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many facilities for sport alone have been built by the government 
Winter Works Programme during the years of 1961-1962, and how much 
money has been spent on such facilities? 

2. How many such facilities are to be built during 1963 by the government 
Winter Works Programme, and what amount of money, if any, has been allo- 
cated for them? 

Question No. 594, by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), — Order of the House for 
a Return showing: Has Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation carried on 
negotiations from time to time with any person or persons with respect to the 
advancing, by way of loan, of funds for the construction of buildings, including 
rental housing projects, within that area in the City of Toronto bounded on the 
North by Howard Street, on the West by Ontario Street, on the South by 
Wellesley Street East, and on the East by Parliament Street and, if so, (a) with 
whom were such negotiations carried on (b) what persons were applying as 
borrowers, specifying in the case of individuals, their names and addresses, and 
in the case of a corporation or corporations, its or their corporate name, the 
address of its or each of their principal place of business, the jurisdiction under 
which incorporated, and the names and addresses of all directors and officers 
(c) what was the outcome of such negotiations and if any loan agreement was 
entered into when will (i) clearing of the land, and (ii) construction of the 
buildings commence, and upon what events will the principal of the loan be 
advanced and (d) if any loan agreement was entered into but is no longer in 
force, why was it terminated? 

Question No. 603, by Mr. Davis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What was the total capital cost of the Second Narrows Bridge in Van- 
couver, British Columbia, and what proportion of this cost was met by the 
Federal Treasury? 

2. What formula was used in order to determine the federal share of this 
expenditure? 

The Order for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply being 
read for the first time, pursuant to Standing Order 56(2); 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be deleted and the following substituted there- 
for: 

"this House is of the opinion that the emergency austerity program 
of tariff surcharges and tight money, introduced on June 24th this year, 
should be stopped at once." 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Marcoux, moved in amendment to the 
said proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amended by adding the 
following at the end thereof: 

"and replaced with a policy of debt-free money and constructive 
proposals to foster balanced domestic economy and balanced inter- 
national trade." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



214 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 24, 1962, (Question No. 388) showing: 
1. Since January 1, 1962, have any representations been received by the 
government or any department thereof for a contribution toward the expansion 
of the Aquarium in Vancouver's Stanley Park, and was one of these representa- 
tions from the Vancouver Public Aquarium Association? 

2. What answer was given to those representations, is a contribution to 
be made and, if so, how much and when? 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Belanger, seconded by Mr. Gregoire, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-73, An Act to amend the Representation Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded 
by Mr. Harkness, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, 
in amendment thereto,^ — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the 
following substituted therefor: 

"this House is of the opinion that the emergency austerity program 
of tariff surcharges and tight money, introduced on June 24th this year, 
should be stopped at once." 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Marcoux, 
in amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That the amendment be 
amended by adding the following at the end thereof: 

"and replaced with a policy of debt-free money and constructive 
proposals to foster balanced domestic economy and balanced inter- 
national trade." 

And debate continuing; at 8.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (d); 



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And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the 
amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Crestohl, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nicholson, 


Argue, 


Crossman, 


Lamoureux, 


Otto, 


Asselin, 


Davis, 


Lamy, 


Patterson, 


Badanai, 


Denis, 


Laniel, 


Pearson, 


Batten, 


Dionne, 


Laprise, 


Pennell, 


Beaule, 


Drouin, 


Latulippe, 


Perron, 


Bechard, 


Drury, 


Leduc, 


Pickersgill, 


Beer, 


Dube, 


Legare, 


Pilon, 


Belanger, 


Dumont, 


Lessard 


Plourde, 


Benson, 


Dupuis, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Richard, 


Boucher, 


Ethier, 


Lessard 


Rideout, 


Boulanger, 


Eudes, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Rinfret, 


Bourque, 


Forgie, 


Loiselle, 


Robichaud, 


Boutin, 


Gagnon, 


Macdonald 


Rochon, 


Burgess, 


Garland, 


(Rosedale), 


Rock, 


Byrne, 


Gauthier, 


MacEachen, 


Rondeau, 


Cadieux, 


Godin, 


Macnaughton, 


Rouleau, 


Cameron 


Gordon, 


Mcllraith, 


Roxburgh, 


(High Park), 


Granger, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Roy, 


Cantin, 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Sauve, 


Caouette, 


Habel, 


McNulty, 


Stewart, 


Cardin, 


Haidasz, 


McWiUiam, 


Tardif, 


Caron, 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Maltais, 


Teillet, 


Carter, 


Harley, 


Marcoux, 


Thompson, 


Chapdelaine, 


Hellyer, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Tucker, 


Chevrier, 


Honey, 


Matheson, 


Turner, 


Clermont, 


Kelly, 


Matte, 


Wahn, 


Clunis, 


Lachance, 


Mitchell, 


Walker, 


Cook, 


Laing, 


Munro, 


Whelan— 113, 


Cowan, 









Nays 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Baskin, 

Bell (Carleton), 

Bell (Saint John- 
Albert), 

Belzile, 

Berger, 

Bigg, 

Bradley, 

Brewin, 

Cadieu, 

Cameron (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Cardiff, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chaplin, 

Chatterton, 



Chown, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Douglas, 

English, 

Enns, 

Fairclough (Mrs.), 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fisher, 

Fleming (Eglinton), 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 



Fulton, 

Grafftey, 

Green, 

Grills, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Halpenny, 

Hamilton, 

Hanbidge, 

Harkness, 

Hees, 

Herridge, 

Hodgson, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Horner 

(The Battlefords), 
Howe, 
Jones, 
Jorgenson, 
Kennedy, 
Kindt, 
Knowles, 



Legere, 

Lewis, 

Macdonald (Mrs.), 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens), 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

McCleave, 

McDonald 

(Hamilton South), 
McGee, 
McGrath, 
Mcintosh, 
McPhillips, 
Mandziuk, 
Martin (Timmins), 
Martineau, 
Mather, 
Millar, 
Monteith, 



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Moore, 


Nugent, 


Ricard, 


Smith 


More, 


O'Hurley, 


Robinson, 


(Calgary South); 


Morris, 


Orlikow, 


Rowe, 


Southam, , 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Ormiston, 


Sams, 


Starr, 


North and 


Pascoe, 


Scott, 


Stefanson, , 


Victoria), 


Paul, 


Sevigny, 


Stenson, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Peters, 


Simpson, 


Thomas, 


Nasser den. 


Phillips, 


Skoreyko, 


Valade, 


Nesbitt, 


Pigeon, 


Slogan, 


Vincent, 


Nielsen, 


Pugh, 


Smallwood, 


Webb, 


Nowlan, 


Rapp, 




Winkler— 121. 



And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the main 
motion, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 
Messrs: 



Addison, 


Clunis, 


Argue, 


Cowan, 


Asselin, 


Crestohl, 


Badanai, 


Crossman, 


Barnett, 


Davis, 


Batten, 


Denis, 


Bechard, 


Douglas, 


Beer, 


Drouin, 


Benson, 


Drury, 


Berger, 


Dube, 


Boucher, 


Dupuis, 


Boulanger, 


Ethier, 


Bourque, 


Eudes, 


Brewin, 


Fisher, 


Burgess, 


Forgie, 


Byrne, 


Garland, 


Cadieux, 


Godin, 


Cameron 


Gordon, 


(High Park), 


Granger, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gray, 


Cowichan-The 


Habel, 


Islands), 


Haidasz, 


Cantin, 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Cardin, 


Harley, 


Car on. 


Hellyer, 


Carter, 


Herridge, 


Chevrier, 


Honey, 


Clermont, 


Kelly, 



Knowles, 


Matte, 


Lachance, 


Mitchell, 


Laing, 


Munro, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nicholson, 


Lamoureux, 


Orlikow, 


Lamy, 


Otto, 


Laniel, 


Pearson, 


Latulippe, 


Pennell, 


Leduc, 


Peters, 


Legare, 


Pickersgill, 


Lessard 


Pilon, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Richard, 


Lewis, 


Rideout, 


Loiselle 


Rinfret, 


Macdonald 


Robichaud, 


(Rosedale), 


Rochon, 


MacEachen, 


Rock, 


Maclnnis, 


Rouleau, 


Macnaughton, 


Roxburgh, 


Mcllraith, 


Sauve, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Scott, 


McMillan, 


Stewart, 


McNulty, 


Tardif, 


McWilHam, 


Teillet, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Tucker, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Turner, 


Mather, 


Wahn, 


Matheson, 


Walker, 




Whelan— 108 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Aiken, 
Alkenbrack, 
Balcer, 
Baldwin, 
Baskin, 
Beaule, 
Belanger, 
Bell (Carleton), 
Bell (Saint John- 
Albert), 
Belzile, 

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Bigg, 

Boutin, 

Bradley, 

Cadieu, 

Cardiff, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chapdelaine, 

Chaplin, 

Chatterton, 

Chown, 

Churchill. 



Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

English, 

Enns, 

Fairclough (Mrs.), 

Fairweather, 



Fane, 

Fleming (Eglinton), 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Fulton, 
Gagnon, 
Gauthier, 
Grafftey, 



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11 ELIZABETH II 



Green, 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Morris, 


Ricard, 


Grills, 


MacEwan, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Robinson, 


Gundlock, 


MacLean (Queens), 


North and 


Rowe, 


Hales, 


Macquarrie, 


Victoria), 


Roy, 


Halpenny, 


MacRae, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Sams, 


Hamilton, 


McBain, 


Nasserden, 


S^vigny, 


Hanbidge, 


McCleave, 


Nesbitt, 


Simpson, 


Harkness, 


McDonald 


Nielsen, 


Skoreyko, 


Hees, 


(Hamilton South), 


Nowlan, 


Slogan, 


Hodgson, 


McGee, 


Nugent, 


Smallwood, 


Horner (Acadia), 


McGrath, 


O'Hurley, 


Smith 


Horner 


Mcintosh, 


Ormiston, 


(Calgary South), 


(TheBattlefords). 


McPhillips, 


Ouellet, 


Southam, 


Howe, 


Maltais, 


Pascoe, 


Starr, 


Jones, 


Mandziuk, 


Patterson, 


Stefanson, 


Jorgenson, 


Marcoux, 


Paul, 


Stenson, 


Kennedy, 


Martineau, 


Phillips, 


Thomas, 


Kindt, 


Millar, 


Pigeon, 


Thompson, 


Laprise, 


Monteith, 


Plourde, 


Valade, 


Legere, 


Moore, 


Pugh, 


Vincent, 


Lessard 


More, 


Rapp, 


Webb, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 






Winkler— 121. 



And debate continuing on the main motion; at 10.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker interrupted the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (/); 

And the question being put on the main motion, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply; 
it was agreed to. 



Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. 

{In the Committee) 

The estimates of six departments were first taken up and entered for 
consideration, pursuant to Standing Order 56(5) (a), as follows: 

AGRICULTURE 

1 Departmental Administration including the National Co- 
ordinating Committee on Agricultural Services .. ..$ 1,003,000 00 

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
1 Departmental Administration $ 7,305,200 00 

LABOUR 

1 Departmental Administration including a grant of $10,000 
to Frontier College and the expenses of the Inter- 
national Labour Conferences $ 1,321,700 00 

NATIONAL REVENUE 
1 General Administration $ 4,931,950 00 

POST OFFICE 

1 Departmental Administration including Canada's share 
of the upkeep of the International Bureaux at Berne 
and Montevideo $ 2,133,000 00 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 6th NOVEMBER 219 

TRANSPORT 
1 Departmental Administration $ 3,560,800 00 

To be reported. 



Report received, and the Committee of Supply obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Churchill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Veterans 
Affairs, the Canadian Pension Commission and the War Veterans Allowance 
Board for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 9 of the Depart- 
ment of Veterans Affairs Act, chapter 80, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated October 17, 1962, (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 17) for a copy of all communications, dated since April 
13, 1962, received by the Prime Minister, relating to the subject of pensions of 
employees and former employees of the Canadian National Railways, and for 
a copy of the replies thereto of the Prime Minister. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 24, 
1962, (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 26) for copies of all 
statements or speeches made by the Minister of Agriculture from April 1, 
1962, to Ontario and Quebec dairy farmers concerning the production of and 
price support for dairy products. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 24, 
1962, (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 28) for a copy of 
a summary of discussions and points of view and the decisions made at each 
meeting of the National Productivity Council. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (^Question No. 20) showing: Did the Federal Government of Canada offer 
any financial assistance to Hawker-Siddeley of Canada Limited, or to any of its 
branches or subsidiaries, with a view to the company continuing further opera- 
tions at No. 16 colliery in New Waterford and, if so, what was the amount of 
the assistance offered by the government to this corporation? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (^Question No. 21) showing: Did representatives of Hawker-Siddeley 
of Canada Limited, or representatives of any subsidiary or branch of this 
corporation, ask the Government of Canada for financial assistance in order to 
forestall the recent closure of No. 16 colliery in New Waterford and, if so, how 
much assistance was the company seeking from the Federal Government? 

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220 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, {*Question No. 27) showing: Has the Minister of Transport or any other 
Minister made any public statements since April 19, 1962, on the subject of an 
amalgamation or co- working Trans-Canada Air Lines and Canadian Pacific 
Air Lines and, if so, when, where, and to what general effect? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (^Question No. 51) showing: 1. How many deep sea vessels flying the 
British Flag are still owned by Canadian residents? 

2. Are these ships considered as a Canadian contribution to any allied ship- 
ping pool arrangement that may be set up in an emergency? 

3. How many of these vessels have been trading between ports of the 
Soviet Union and Cuba? 

4. Do the owners of these ships or any Companies owning them pay income 
tax to the Federal Treasury? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962 (Question No. 231) showing: Since June 30, 1958, has the Government of 
the Province of Quebec made any agreements providing for joint forestry pro- 
grams with the Department of Forestry, the Department of Agriculture, or the 
Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources and, if so, what are 
those joint programs, and what amounts have been paid to the Province with 
respect thereto? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (Question No. 285) showing: 1. Would the government indicate if it is 
their intention to introduce support prices for farm-cut pulp wood? 

2. Has the government studied the question of the prices paid for pulp 
since the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission investigation of a few years 
ago? 

3. Has the government received any representations on this matter in rela- 
tion to the price paid for pulpwood in the Maritime Provinces and, if so, when, 
from whom, and to what effect? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (Question No. 299) showing: 1. How many railway crossings are there 
in Canada in each of the following categories (a) first-class highways (b) 
second-class highways, and (c) secondary roads? 

2. How many in the Riding of Timiskaming? 

3. How many of these are protected by (a) light and/or signal (b) under- 
passes (c) overpasses? 

4. Is it a policy of the Department of Transport to authorize new highway 
construction without demanding an overpass or underpass? 

Fifteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on November 5 by Mr. Mandziuk, meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Heinrich Bernhard Altmeppen of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Irmgard 
Christine Koster Altmeppen. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 6th NOVEMBER 221 

: Ann Viola Woodward Anderson, wife of John Overy Anderson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jeannine Guerin Archambault, wife of Jacques Gaston Archambault of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Jean-Paul Fernand Blanchette of Riviere-a-Gagnon, Quebec, 
husband of Marie Jeanne Charbonneau Blanchette. 

Roberta Sealey Burns, wife of Basil Burns of Verdun, Quebec. 

Ludmilla Gorny Chiriaeff, wife of Alexis Chiriaeff of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ann Marie Thibeau Cooke, wife of Kevin Patrick Cooke of the Province of 
Newfoundland. 

Lucien Real da Silva of Ste. Foy, Quebec, husband of Yvonne Dupuis da 
Silva. 

Ai'da Asnaourian dit Asnovour Diotte, wife of Joseph Ludger Camille 
Marcel Diotte of Montreal, Quebec. 

Louise Simard Flynn, wife of Raymond Flynn of St. Michel, Quebec. 

Gabriel Fortin of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie-Paule Monette 
Fortin. 

Josephine Isabella Irvine Geiger, wife of Eric A. Geiger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Violet Gabrielle Beaudry Gilmour, wife of Matthew Ralph Gilmour of 
Rosemere, Quebec. 

Susan Joan Hyman Greenberg, wife of Morris Greenberg of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Maureen Sandra Murray Hastie, wife of Leslie John William Hastie of 
Morin Heights, Quebec. 

Garfield MacLean of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Hazel Hollett MacLean. 

Peter Karas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Lilly Rosa Zimmerman Karas. 

Maurice LeBel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Yvonne Desalliers LeBel. 

Leo-Rene Maranda of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Renee Haineault 
Maranda. 

Monique Emond Mercure, wife of Pierre Mercure of Montreal, Quebec. 

Antonio Minicozzi of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Pasqualine Angostinelli 
Minicozzi. 

Margaret Jean Coutts Moffatt, wife of Philip John Moffatt of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

Hugh O'Connor of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Kathleen West Taylor 
O'Connor. 

Joseph Emilien Rene Racine of Courville, Quebec, husband of Doris Helen 
Warner Racine. 

Marcel Renaut of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ruby Marie Bradbury 
Renaut. 

Christine Goguen Rivard, wife of Ghislain Rivard of Sept-Iles, Quebec. 

Rita Boudreau Savard, wife of Henri Savard of Montreal, Quebec. 

Frieda Lina Witt Schaub, wife of Clemens Heinrich Schaub of Hampstead, 
Quebec. 

Anna May Watts Sergent, wife of William Charles Ross Sergent of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Edith Mary Seymour-Higgins Thorn, wife of William Wylie Thom of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



222 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Leo Paul Turcotte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Henriette Leborgne 
Turcotte. 

Mary Catherine Mullins Weatherby, wife of Martin Weir Weatherby of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Jeanette Dorothy Saysell Wright, wife of Alan Richard Wright of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Franz Zeitlhofer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Theresia Maria Sum- 
merer Zeitlhofer. 

Vivian Marjery Singer Cohen, wife of Mortimer Cohen of Montreal, Quebec. 

William Wallace Graham of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Sandra Sorrell 
Graham. 

Klawda Bass Kawalerski, wife of Wladislaw Kawalerski of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Arnold Adie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Kathleen Anne Laffin Adie. 

Barbara Joan Eversfield Boudrias, wife of Joseph Alfred Yves Boudrias of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Anastasie Verty Cechmistro, wife of Theodor Cechmistro of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Olive Annie Kirby Coulombe, wife of Joseph Louis Gerard Coulombe of 
Bagotville, Quebec. 

Barbara Schultz Dumansky, wife of Harvey Dumansky of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jacques Ekaireb of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eva Staszower Ekaireb. 

Clara Melissa Riche Frampton, wife of Frederick Charles Frampton of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Cormack Franey, wife of Kenneth Carleton Franey of St. Michel, 
Quebec. 

Patricia Hobbs Kemp, wife of Roy Kemp of Montreal, Quebec. 

Geralde Boucher Lalonde, wife of Roger Rene Lalonde of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gertrude Vutz Lindener, wife of Arthur Lindener of Montreal, Quebec. 

Eva Daniel Mack, wife of Nicholas Sutton Bradshaw Mack of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Mario Marino of Duvernay, Quebec, husband of Diane Dessaint de St. 
Pierre Marino. 

Mary Ruth Girling Parent, wife of Guy Michael Parent of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Doreen Gladys Ada Nicholson Perry, wife of Howard Ross Perry of Rox- 
boro, Quebec. 

Joseph Charles Jacques Jean Plante of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Denise Perusse Plante. 

Jack Reinhold Russel of Chateauguay, Quebec, husband of Helen Evelyn 
Claire Sinnett Russel. 

Arnold Campbell Scott of Dorval, Quebec, husband of Mary Elizabeth 
Brown Scott. 

Mary Suszek Cieply, wife of Francis (Topolenski) (Cheply) (Niemiec) 
Cieply of La Macaza, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 6th NOVEMBER 223 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills — Eleventh Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Marylin Jean Moore Alie, wife of John Alie of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Ann Marguerite Christie Allaway, wife of Russell Edward AUaway 
of Lachine, Quebec. 

John Andre Anderson of St. Leonard-de-Port-Maurice, Quebec, husband 
of Elizabeth Augusta Margaretha Jarschel Anderson. 

Pamela Mcintosh Blair, wife of Alexander Wallace Anthony Blair of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Anne Rennie Chadwick-Rider, wife of Clifford John Chadwick- 
Rider of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Heather MacNicoll Clayton, wife of Peter Clayton of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Edie (Etta) Kaufman Cohen, wife of Husmond (Hy) Cohen of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Ann Marie Thibeau Cooke, wife of Kevin Patrick Cooke of the Province 
of Newfoundland. 

Rose Mancuso Defosses, wife of Polydor (Paul) Defosses of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Doreen Dreyer Kane Eastwood, wife of Bruce David Eastwood of Lachine, 
Quebec. 

Joyce Eileen Menzie Elliott, wife of Robert Adams Elliott of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Helen Doreen Nesbitt Gearey, wife of Wayne Norman Gearey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Therese Harnois Geraldeau, wife of Richard Geraldeau of Verdun, Quebec. 

Violet Gabrielle Beaudry Gilmour, wife of Matthew Ralph Gilmour of 
Rosemere, Quebec. 

Marie Yvonne Lucie Robillard Godard, wife of Joseph Arthur Jean Godard 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edith Diane Shapiro Greenberg, wife of Seymour Bernard Greenberg of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Bernard Hebert of Greenfield Park, Quebec, husband of Helen Rudolph 
Hebert. 

Edith Maksim Herman, wife of Thomas Joseph Herman of Prevost, Quebec. 

Patricia McKernan Hilton, wife of Brian Hilton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Sarah Waring James, wife of John William James of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Arlene June Roy Kaczur, wife of Gerald Joseph Kaczur of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Dorothea Margaret Fleming Kay, wife of Robert Taylor Kay of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Ginette Ingrid Reiskind Leopold, wife of Monroe Paul Leopold of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Irene Elizabeth Marchesseau Malloch, wife of Thomas Daniel Malloch of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



224 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Soshy Judith Teicher Marco vitz, wife of Jessel (Jason) Benjamin Marco- 
vitz of Outremont, Quebec. 

Carroll Lynne Cavey Milette, wife of Jean Pierre Milette of Pointe-Claire, 
Quebec. 

Suzanne Piuze Moreau, wife of Charles Edouard Moreau of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Maureen Carol McCuUough McAlinden, wife of John Francis McAlinden of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Edouard Pellerin of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jeanne Salois Pellerin. 

Calvin Harold Robinson of Laval-des-Rapides, Quebec, husband of Shirley 
MacDonald Robinson. 

Lily (Lillian) Cohen Shapiro, wife of Sydney Shapiro of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mihaly Szakacs of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Maria Csocz Szakacs. 

Eliane Fontaine Trottier, wife of Maurice Trottier of Ville St. Michel, 
Quebec. 

Donna Maureen Croteau Vincent, wife of Real Vincent of Longueuil, 
Quebec. 

Heinrich Bernhard Altmeppen of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Irmgard 
Christine Koster Altmeppen. 

Joseph Jean-Paul Fernand Blanchette of Riviere-a-Gagnon, Quebec, hus- 
band of Marie Jeanne Charbonneau Blanchette. 

A'ida Asnaourian dit Asnavour Diotte, wife of Joseph Ludger Camille Marcel 
Diotte of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gabriel Fortin of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie-Paule Monette 
Fortin. 

Josephine Isabella Irvine Geiger, wife of Eric A. Geiger of Montreal, Quebec. 
Geralde Boucher Lalonde, wife of Roger Rene Lalonde of Montreal, Quebec. 
Maurice LeBel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Yvonne Desalliers LeBel. 
Gertrude Vutz Lindener, wife of Arthur Lindener of Montreal, Quebec. 
Leo-Rene Maranda of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Renee Haineault 
Maranda. 

Monique Emond Mercure, wife of Pierre Mercure of Montreal, Quebec. 

Hugh O'Connor of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Kathleen West Taylor 
O'Connor. 

Frieda Lina Witt Schaub, wife of Clemens Heinrich Schaub of Hampstead, 
Quebec. 

Anna May Watts Sergent, wife of William Charles Ross Sergent of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Leo Paul Turcotte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Henriette Leborgne 
Turcotte. 

Mary Catherine Mullins Weatherby, wife of Martin Weir Weatherby of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Franz Zeitlhofer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Theresia Maria Summerer 
Zeitlhofer. 

Jacques Ekaireb of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eva Staszower Ekaireb. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 6th NOVEMBER 225 

At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



■jr. ITT 



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No. 29 

JOURNALS 

, ^,.. OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 7th NOVEMBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Sixty petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Crestohl, seconded by Mr. McMillan, by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-74, An Act to amend the Immigration Act (Canadian's Parents), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 

Mr. Crestohl, seconded by Mr. McMillan, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-75, An Act to amend the Canadian Citizenship Act (Age Qualification), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 

Mr. Ormiston, seconded by Mr. Hanbidge, by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-76, An Act to Found and Constitute the Western Canada Veteri- 
nary College, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 593, by Mr. Badanai, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Of the total of 127,086 immigrants receiving government aid between 
1951 and March 31, 1962, what was the breakdown by year, the form of 
assistance, and the country of origin of each? 

Mr. McGee, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented,— Return to the foregoing Order. 



228 :. HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

^Question No. 596, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many women and men have declared that they could speak, read 
and write English only, and French only, at competitions or examinations held 
by the Civil Service Commission for appointments made during 1961, to fill 
the following positions (a) 16 in the Public Archives (b) 17 in the Insurance 
Department (c) 23 in the Auditor-General's Office (d) 6 in the National 
Library (e) 6 in the Board of Broadcast Governors (/) 14 in the House of 
Commons (g) 13 in the Board of Transport Commissioners (h) 13 in the 
National Gallery of Canada, and (i) 11 in the National Energy Board? 

2. Among those who were appointed following the above-mentioned com- 
petitions or examinations, how many women and men declared that they could 
speak, read and write both English and French? 

3. For the appointments above-mentioned, what were the various positions 
offered in each department? 

On motion of Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Laing, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of the letter of resignation sub- 
mitted by Richard B. Simmins, Director of Exhibition Extension Services. — 
{Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 35). 

On motion of Mr. Cadieux (Terrebonne), seconded by Mr. Clunis, it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all reports and other 
documents in the possession of the Department of National Health and Welfare 
relating to the selection of Banff, Alberta, instead of Mont-Tremblant, Quebec. 
as the proposed site of the 1968 Winter Olympic Games. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 27). 

Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole, and further progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting 
of the House. 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Cote, seconded by Mr. Beaule, moved, — That this House is of the 
opinion that the government should introduce in this House a measure to 
provide the Nation with a distinctive national anthem, namely, "O Canada" 
as it exists at present in the French version and with an English version to be 
selected by the government. — (Notice of Motion No. 5). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated October 17, 1962, to His Excellency the Governor General 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 15) for a copy of the 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 7th NOVEMBER 229 

certificate, approved by the Minister of Justice and signed by the Deputy 
Minister of Justice, certifying that the Surcharge on Imports Order, P.C. 1962- 
902, dated June 24, 1962, was examined as required by the Canadian Bill of 
Bights, also for a copy of any report or memorandum attached to the said 
certificate or transmitted to the Clerk of the Privy Council, and also for a 
copy of the certified copy of the said Order, showing any signatures or initials 
thereon. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 17, 
1962, (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 18) for a copy of all 
communications, dated since April 13, 1962, received by the Minister of Trans- 
port, relating to the subject of pensions of employees and former employees 
of the Canadian National Railways, and for a copy of the replies thereto of the 
Minister of Transport. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 31, 
1962, (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 26) for copies of all 
correspondence and memoranda between W. P. Chrysler, Jr., and the National 
Gallery of Canada^ between June 1 and October 15, 1962. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 9) showing: Have any requests been received from the 
Jamaican government for increased Canadian investment in Jamaica and, if so, 
what answer has been given, and what encouragement, if any, has the govern- 
ment offered to private investors? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (* Question No. 11) showing: Was an alleged air defence exercise held 
on Labour Day, September 3, 1962, and, if so, (a) why was this date chosen 
(h) have any protests been received concerning the choice of the date or about 
the exercise itself and, if so, (i) from whom (ii) what was their nature (iii) 
what were the government's replies (c) what was the strength of the exercise 
attack force in (i) bombers, real or simulated (ii) simulated ICBMs (iii) simu- 
lated missiles fired from submarines (d) how many simulated bombs, ICBMs, 
and submarine missiles were reckoned to have (i) exploded on target (ii) 
exploded off target (iii) been destroyed without harm to North America? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 120) showing: 1. Has the government received any requests 
for information or assistance from the U.S. Senate Armed Services Com- 
mittee or one of its sub-committees about the operations in Canada of Mr. 
George M. Humphrey in the mining and metal industry or about any of the 
companies operating in Canada with which Mr. Humphrey is associated as an 
official or director? 

2. If so, what response has it made? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 148) showing: 1. Is any economic assistance to the coun- 
tries of South America being provided by the Government of Canada, either 
directly or indirectly, through agencies of the United Nations or otherwise? 

2. If so, to what countries is this economic assistance being provided, in 
what amounts, and for what periods? 

3. Through what department or departments of the federal government 
is any such assistance being provided? 



230 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

4. If assistance is being provided indirectly through agencies of the 
United Nations or otherwise, through what agencies, to what countries, and 
in what amounts? 

5. If assistance is being provided for specific projects, what are those 
projects and for the benefit of what countries? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 23, 
1962, {Question No. 342) showing: Has any representation been received from 
the New Waterford Barrachois Improvement Association asking the govern- 
ment for assistance in developing a permanent commercial fishing industry in 
this area and, if so, what action does the government plan to take in this 
regard? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (Question No. 260) showing: Did the government, directly or indirectly, 
or any Agency or Crown Corporation, purchase any Canadian nickel in the 
years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, and, if so, what quantities, and for what 
amount in each of the said years for (a) defence production (b) research 
(c) international aid (such as, Colombo Plan, etc.) (d) for all other purposes? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, {Question No. 375) showing: 1. Have the municipal authorities of St- 
Georges-East, County of Beauce, applied to the Postmaster General to have 
door-to-door delivery and, what are the Department's intentions in that regard? 

2. What is the total maintenance cost of the Post Office of St-Georges-West? 

3. What decision has been reached concerning the construction of a post 
office in Beauceville? 

4. What was the price paid for the land purchased for the said post office? 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 30 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 8th NOVEMBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had received from the Honourable 
Mr. Chief Justice R. S. Furlong and the Honourable Mr. Justice H. A. Winter, 
both of the Supreme Court of Newfoundland, the two judges appointed for 
the trial of a petition pursuant to the Dominion Controverted Elections Act, 
a certificate of judgment in the matter of an election in the Electoral District 
of St. John's West, Newfoundland; and the same was read as follows: — 

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NEWFOUNDLAND 

In the matter of 

The Dominion Controverted Elections Act 

AND 

In the matter of the election of a Member 
OF the House of Commons for the 
constituency of St. John's West, holden 
on the 18th day of June, 1962 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

We the undersigned judges, appointed to try the above Petition, do certify: 
Following the trial of the petition we determined as follows: 

(1) The respondent, Richard Cashin, the member whose election was 
complained of was not duly elected or returned; 

(2) The election of a member to the House of Commons for the Electoral 
District of St. John's West holden on the 18th day of June 1962, was 
void. 



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Such determination was made and filed in the Registry of the Supreme 
Court of Newfoundland on the 25th day of October 1962. 

Now after the expiration of eight days from the day we gave our decision 
we hereby certify to the Honourable the Speaker that our decision and determi- 
nation is as set forth in paragraphs numbered 1 and 2 above and we append 
hereto 

*(a) a copy of the notes of evidence; 
(b) copies of our individual reasons. 
Dated the 5th day of November 1962 

R. S. FURLONG 
Chief Justice 

H. A. WINTER 
Judge 

* (The Notes of Evidence accompanying the foregoing Certificate recorded 
as Appendix No. 1 to the Journals) 



1962 No. 665 

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NEWFOUNDLAND 

In the matter of 

The Dominion Controverted Elections Act 

AND 

In the matter of the Petition of 

William J. Brov^ne, Candidate for Petitioner 

the Riding of St. John's West, 

Newfoundland 

and 
Richard Cashin Respondent 

October 10, 1962. 



JUDGMENT OF FURLONG, C. J. 

In these proceedings, which come to us by way of a Petition under the 
Dominion Controverted Elections Act, the Court is asked to declare that the 
election held in the Riding of St. John's West be void. 

The petitioner is the Hon. W. J. Browne who was a candidate at the said 
election, and the respondent is Richard Cashin who has been declared to have 
been elected. 

The election was held on June 18th, 1962, and the official count was con- 
ducted by the Returning Officer on July 3rd and 4th, 1962. The petitioner being 
dissatisfied with the count, application was made by him for a judicial recount, 
as is provided for by the Canada Elections Act, and this recount was conducted 
by His Honour, Judge W. L. Whelan, judge of the District Court of St. John's 
West. The result of the recount showed that the petitioner, Mr. Browne had 
a majority of 185 votes, excluding the votes of Canadian Forces electors, but 
as the respondent, Mr. Cashin received a majority of 209 votes of these Canadian 
Forces electors, he was declared elected by a majority of 24 votes, the final 
result of the voting being William J. Browne 12,626, Richard Cashin 12,650 
and Stanley M. Ross 281. Due notice of the return in this riding was first 
published in the Canada Gazette on July 23rd, 1962. 



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The petitioner says that 424 votes were cast by voters who qualified pur- 
suant to the provisions of "The Canadian Forces Voting Rules" which is 
Schedule II of the Canada Elections Act. He further alleges that of this num- 
ber 34 votes were cast by persons not entitled by law to vote in the Riding of 
St. John's West, by reason of their non-residence within its boundaries, and that 
2 other votes should not have been counted as there was not sufficient evidence 
given by them to determine whether or not they possessed the necessary resi- 
dential qualification. 

These allegations can be transformed into the numerical result that Mr. 
Cashin was declared elected with a majority of 24 votes, but that hidden some- 
where in the secrecy of the ballot are 36 votes which should not have been 
cast at all. As there is no means of ascertaining for whom these 36 votes were 
cast it simply means that it is not possible to say whether or not any candidate 
received a majority of the votes of electors legally entitled to vote in the 
constituency. This is the proposition which the petitioner asks us to consider. 

In his Answer to the Petition, the respondent simply denies that any of 
the votes cast by Canadian Forces electors were cast by persons not entitled 
to vote in the said constituency, and puts the Petitioner on his proof of the 
allegation. 

Particulars have been given by the petitioner of the names and residences 
of those persons who, he says, were not entitled to vote. In addition to the names 
and numbers this list gives two important further items of information, namely; 
the address of ordinary residence as given by the elector on Form 7, at the 
time of voting; and his address of ordinary residence as declared on Form 16 or 
17, and on file at the Department of National Defence in Ottawa. The references 
to numbered forms refer to the Rules, as I shall, for the sake of convenience, 
call The Canadian Forces Voting Rules, which is a Schedule to the Canada 
Elections Act, and is thus part and parcel of the Act, and to be read with it. 

Now the Act prescribes that a Canadian Forces elector, as defined in para- 
graph 21 of the Rules, is entitled to vote at a general election only under the 
procedure set forth in those Rules, or if he has not voted under that procedure, 
as a civilian voter at the place of his ordinary residence as shown on the state- 
ment made by him under paragraph 25 of the Rules. 

So that provision having been made by the Act for the men in the Services 
(and their wives) to be able to perform their civic duty of voting at a Parlia- 
mentary election, we are obliged to consult the Rules to see how they may 
discharge this duty, or exercise this right, to vote. 

The qualification of Canadian Forces electors is set out in paragraph: — 

"21. (1) Every person, man or woman, who has attained the full age of 
twenty-one years and who is a Canadian citizen or other British subject, 
shall be deemed to be a Canadian Forces elector and entitled to vote, at 
a general election, under the procedure set forth in these Rules, while he 
or she; 

(a) is a member of the regular forces of the Canadian Forces; 

(b) is a member of the reserve forces of the Canadian Forces and is on 
full-time training or service, or on active service, or; 

(c) is a member of the active services forces of the Canadian Forces." 



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An exception to the age of the voter is set forth, so that persons under that age 
who served on active service on or subsequent to September 9th, 1950, may- 
vote. 

Paragraph 22 provides that a wife of such an elector shall likewise be 
deemed to be a Canadian Forces elector, and entitled to vote at a general elec- 
tion under the procedure set forth in the Rules. 

The significant phrase in the above rule is "under the procedure set forth 
in these Rules." The elementary requirement before being entitled to vote is to 
declare the ordinary residence of a voter, and this is provided for in paragraph 
24, thus: — 

"24. (1) Notwithstanding paragraph 21, a Canadian Forces elector, as defined 
in that paragraph, is not entitled to vote under the procedure set forth 
on these Rules, unless he or she; 

(a) completes a statement of ordinary residence as provided in para- 
graph 25 or sub-paragraph (1) of paragraph 36, and; 

(b) specifies in a declaration in Form 7 the name of the place of his 
or her ordinary residence in Canada as shown by the elector on the 
statement referred to in clause (a)." 

Sub-paragraph (2) makes similar provision for the wives of such electors. 
and the paragraph continues: 

" (3) A Canadian Forces elector, as defined in paragraph 21 shall apply his 
or her vote only to the electoral district in which is situated his or her 
ordinary place of residence as shown on the statement made by such 
elector, under paragraph 25 or sub-paragraph (1) of paragraph 36, and 
a Canadian Forces elector as defined in paragraph 22, shall apply her 
vote to the electoral district in which is situated the ordinary place of 
residence of her husband as shown by him on such statement." 

It is provided in paragraph 25 that every person, other than a wife, shall 
forthwith upon his enrollment complete a statement of his ordinary residence 
in Form 16; or if he is a reservist on full-time service on Form 17. This state- 
ment is completed in duplicate and is kept on file at the appropriate Service 
Headquarters of the elector, the duplicate being retained at his unit head- 
quarters with his other service documents. If an elector changes his residence 
provision is made in the Rules for a statement of this change to be completed 
at appropriate times; and similarly if a man has failed to complete a statement 
of residence on enrollment the omission may be made good. 

If a Canadian Forces elector is at the place of his ordinary residence as 
shown on Form 16 or 17, on polling day he may vote as a civilian elector, 
provided his name, if his ordinary place of residence is in an urban district, is 
on the voters list. 

All these preceding paragraphs deal with eligibility of the elector and to 
his entitlement to vote, to those things, in fact, which take place before the 
elector casts his ballot. At this particular moment we are not concerned with 
procedural matters; with the manner in which the ballot is actually obtained, 
marked by the elector, dispatched by him to the Special Returning Officer, 
checked by that official and the scrutineers, sorted into its proper electoral 
district, opened, and counted. These are the mechanics of the process of voting, 
and they must be followed in every detail if the result of ascertaining the views 



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of the majority of the electors is to be determined properly. I have said deliber- 
ately that at this particular moment we are not concerned with the mechanics, 
as the claim has been made by the petitioner that persons who had not the right 
to vote in the Riding of St. John's West did in fact do so. We have to enquire 
and see if they did so; how they did so is perhaps a complementary inquiry the 
pursuit of which may assist us in determining the major inquiry, did they 
do so? 

Now in order to establish his entitlement to vote the elector (by which I 
shortly refer to the Canadian Forces elector) has to furnish certain particulars 
about himself when he presents himself to the deputy returning officer, and 
this information he fills in on Form 7, which is printed on the back of a large 
brown envelope, which with its contents is posted by the elector himself to the 
Special Returning Officer for the electoral area in which he has voted. To com- 
plete the picture I should add that there are four of those areas, one at Halifax, 
one at Ottawa, one at Edmonton, and one in London for those who vote outside 
of Canada. 

However, to get back to the information which the elector has to fill in on 
his brown envelope. The usual details as to his name, rank and number must 
be there; a declaration that he is a Canadian citizen or other British subject of 
the full age of twenty-one years (subject to the exception provided in the rules 
for those under this age who, having been on active service under that age have 
been discharged) ; that he has not voted before at the current election; and that 
his ordinary place of residence, as shown on the statement on Form 16 or 17 is 
whatever it is. It is convenient here to note some variation in the particulars 
required to be given as to ordinary place of residence in paragraph 36; the 
paragraph says the elector may state the name of the electoral district and 
province on Form 7; while Form 7 itself imperatively says "(Here insert name 
of electoral district)". A positive direction is given on the Form and a per- 
missive direction is set out in the Rule; but Form 16 only requires the name of 
the town or other place together with a street address if any. If it had been 
regarded as mandatory that an elector himself set out the name of his riding, 
some of the votes about which we are at present inquiring should have been 
eliminated before they were counted because of the deficiency of this in- 
formation. 

Having provided all this information the elector is then supplied with a 
blank ballot upon which he v/rites the name of the candidate for whom he 
wants to vote. The ballot, as I have already briefly described, is placed in a 
plain, white envelope, and sealed, and then put into the brown envelope and 
posted to the Special Returning Officer whose name and address is printed 
on it. 

All the unopened brown envelopes when they are received during the 
days between the voting and the closing of the poll, are examined to see if 
Form 7 has been completed, and sorted into bundles or pigeon-holes for each 
of the two hundred and sixty-four electoral districts in Canada. Each en- 
velope is supposed to be examined to make sure that the information on Form 
7 is sufficient to establish the place of ordinary residence. And at this point it 
is important to look at paragraph 73 (1), because in the present election at 
least two electors did not provide sufficient information to determine their 
residence and consequently we have no means of knowing whether or not they 
were entitled to vote in this Riding. 

"73. (1) An outer envelope which does not bear the signatures of both the 
Canadian Forces elector and the deputy returning officer concerned 
(except in the cases referred to in paragraphs 39 and 41), or the sig- 



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natures of the Veteran elector and the two deputy special returning 
officers concerned (except in the cases referred to in paragraphs 61 and 
62), or upon which a sufficient description of the place of ordinary- 
residence of such elector does not appear, shall be laid aside, unopened; 
the special returning officer shall endorse upon each such outer envelope 
the reason why it was laid aside, and such endorsement shall be initialled 
by at least two scrutineers; and the ballot paper contained in such outer 
envelope shall be deemed to be a spoiled ballot." 

Then the poll is closed, or rather the special period which has been assigned 
to service votes, the ballots are counted for their separate electoral districts, 
having first been checked by the special returning officer and the scrutineers, 
the name of the electoral district having been written by the scrutineers in 
the lower left hand corner of the back, and initialled by both scrutineers. I quote 
paragraph 69 (2): — 

"69. (2) Whenever an outer envelope has been sorted to its electoral district, 
the name of such electoral district shall be written by the scrutineers in 
the lower left hand corner of the back of the outer envelope and both 
scrutineers shall affix their initials thereto." 

Only five of the thirty-six outer envelopes shown to us and put in evidence 
are so endorsed, which clearly shows a want of attention on the part of the 
special returning officers, and a failure on their part properly to instruct the 
scrutineers and others working under them. 

The whole result of our inquiries, and of our physical examination of the 
exhibits discloses an unsatisfactory state of affairs. However I propose not to 
devote any more at this time to an inquiry into the 'how' unentitled persons 
vote but to the primary inquiry which I have referred to earlier on. 

Particulars which have been given by the petitioner consequent on an order 
of Mr. Justice Dunfield on September 4th, 1962 give the names and particulars 
of residence of all the persons who he alleges should not have voted in the 
Riding. These names are divided into service categories and are serially num- 
bered, and in discussing them I shall identify them by these numbers. The 
information as to the ordinary place of residence as shown on Form 7 on file 
at Ottawa has not been challenged, and we can accept it as conclusive. The 
petitioner himself, being thoroughly familiar with the constituency, and the 
Returning Officer for St. John's West, Mr. W. J. Stoyles, have given evidence 
that on the information provided 34 of those persons were not entitled to vote 
in the Riding; two other persons who voted did not give sufficient information 
so as to be able to say if they were so entitled. 

Now without examining in any detail the list, it is most important to bear 
in mind that the votes of those thirty-six persons are unidentifiable; there is 
no possibility that any one can say whether they voted for one candidate or 
another. The result is that it is not possible to separate the votes of those 
properly entitled to vote from those who were not. The total number of ballots 
cast comprise those of both classes of persons, electors and non-electors. From 
the evidence which we have heard I have concluded thirty-four of those named 



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by the petitioner were not entitled under the Rules to vote in the electoral 
district of St. John's West because their declared ordinary places of residence 
were outside that constituency, and that the votes of two other persons should 
not have been counted as the outer envelopes did not contain a sufficient descrip- 
tion of the place of ordinary residence of the voter, and paragraphs 36 (2) and 
73 (1) provide that such envelope be not opened. 

Thus we see that thirty-six people voted who were not entitled to vote, 
that the votes of these thirty-six could have affected the result of the election, 
and as we have no way of separating these votes and excluding them from the 
total, the result of the election is indeterminate, the decision of the majority of 
the electors not being clearly shown. 

The prayer of the petitioner before us is to declare the election void. There 
has been some discussion between counsel as to our powers in these matters 
and we have been referred to certain cases. It seems to me, and I must so hold, 
that this power is quite simply set out in S. 56 of the Dominion Controverted 

Elections Act which says" the trial judges shall 

determine whether the election was void 

" This is unmistakable statutory power as to 

the decisions which we may make upon an election petition. 

Having read the petition and examined the various election documents 
which have been exhibited to us, and having heard the evidence, I conclude 
that the election should be declared void, and a report of this decision will be 
sent to the Speaker of the House of Commons. 

I do not think I should make any order as to costs; the respondent opposed 
the petition simply to the extent that the matter was brought to proof and 
should not have to bear the petitioner's costs. 

Mr. R. A. Parsons, Q.C. 

and Mr. J. J. Greene for Petitioner; 

Mr. P. J. Lewis, Q.C. 

and Mr, G. F. Laing for Respondent. 



1962 No. 665 

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NEWFOUNDLAND 

In the matter of the Dominion 
Controverted Elections Act 

AND 

In the matter of the Petition of 

William J. Browne, Candidate For Petitioner 

the Riding of St. John's West, 

Newfoundland 

and 

Richard Cashin Respondent 

October 10, 1962 

JUDGMENT OF WINTER, J. 

I am in full accord with the learned Chief Justice in his decision that this 
election must be declared void and in the reasons he has given for reaching that 
conclusion. If I had felt that I should confine myself strictly to the simple and 



238 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

clearcut issue raised by the petition and answer, I should have followed the 
usual practice where there is complete agreement between Election Judges, and 
have associated myself with him in a joint judgment. But I do not consider that 
I am obliged so to confine myself. This is in several respects an extraordinary 
petition, and some of its implications so far transcend in importance the mere 
determination of the validity of this particular election that I should account 
myself neglectful of my duty if I did not draw attention to them. And that can 
best and most properly be done in a separate judgment. Such of the observations 
I have to make as are not necessary to the decision itself can only be regarded 
as obiter dicta, and for them I accept full responsibility. 

I have called this an extraordinary petition. I will add that it should have 
been quite unnecessary. The improper acceptance and counting of some thirty- 
four votes in a total of more than twenty-five thousand has compelled us to 
declare void an election which was otherwise duly and properly conducted, an 
election which actually did, in sober truth and realty, result in the election, in 
the simple sense of the word, of one of the two leading candidates (the third 
can be ignored), the petitioner and respondent respectively. But no-one can tell 
which of them it was. The probabilities favour Mr. Cashin, for, if we assume that 
the 34 votes which must be subtracted were divided between them in the same 
proportion as were the whole number of Service votes, it will be seen that Mr. 
Cashin has a majority of almost exactly 7 votes. But probability is not certainty, 
and the division might by some quirk of chance have been quite different. It is 
therefore impossible for the returning officer to certify that any candidate has 
been elected, and as Election Judges we have no choice but to declare the 
election void. 

As a result of this, the time, effort and money spent upon the election may 
fairly be said to have been wasted. A new election is necessitated, involving a 
similar expenditure. Both candidates are deserving of sympathy, since it is clear 
that the election was invalidated through no fault of theirs. It can also be 
extended to the voters of St. John's West, whichever party it may be to which 
they belong, whose efforts have come to naught. Finally, though I doubt if this 
item will cause much concern, the people at large, not merely of St. John's 
West or of this Province, but of Canada, have a cause of complaint in that their 
parliament is, even if only temporarily, not constituted as it was intended it 
should be; a seat is made vacant which should not have been. 

Other undesirable results could no doubt be mentioned, but these should be 
sufficient to depict a regrettable situation and state of affairs. In the view which 
I take of the case, I would substitute for that mild epithet the stronger one, 
deplorable. And I would add another one, inexcusable. But, whether or not I 
succeed in justifying the use of such terms, it will surely be agreed that two 
questions at least present themselves to the minds of all intelligent and in- 
terested persons. The first is this: who or what, is or are, to blame for such a 
result and situation? If the blame lies in more than one place, how should it be 
apportioned? This deals with the disease. The second turns to the cure and asks, 
is there a remedy? How far, if at all, can a repetition in future elections of the 
same mischance be prevented? 

As to the first, the human actors who might be held responsible are clearly 
indicated. They are: first, the Forces electors who cast the 34 ballots and made 
the incorrect declarations on the backs of the outside envelopes; second, the 



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respective deputy returning officers before whom the declarations were signed; 
and, third, the special returning officers and their assistants who superintended 
the receiving, sorting and counting of the votes in the several voting territories 
concerned. 

Regarding the voters themselves, I have only this comment to make at this 
stage. I must emphasize that the subject matter of this analysis is not any 
particular and individual irregularity that may have occurred, but simply and 
solely the complete avoidance and nullification of the election. For that, I for 
my part acquit the voters of any responsibility. Their votes should not have 
been received at all, and most certainly should not have been counted; but there 
the part played by them stops. They should have lost their votes, and for that, 
even if their mis-statements were in any instances venial and understandable, 
they have only themselves to blame. No-one else is. 

As to the deputy returning officers who took the declarations and handed 
the envelopes to the voters, I would myself exonerate them entirely. I can find 
nothing in paragraphs 36 to 40 of The Canadian Forces Voting Rules, describing 
the duties of such officers, which says, or even suggests, that they are in any 
sense scrutineers. Even in the few cases among the 34 declarations and envelopes 
where there is a patent, or even flagrant, incompatibility between the residence 
named and the electoral district, I cannot see that this was any concern of that 
office. If an envelope bore that character, it would not lose it in its passage 
through the mail, and it would, or should, be apparent to those in the special 
returning office whose duty it was to conduct the real scrutiny. 

That brings the inquiry to the last place and group of persons concerned. It 
would also seem to be the last to be investigated, since it was there, in each 
particular case, that the harm must have been done, that the votes were received 
and counted that should have been rejected. We are indeed here getting very 
near to the root of the trouble, but not quite; near enough, however, to see 
where the root really lies. And here again, as in the other two places, I myself 
would return a verdict of not guilty if the charge were the specific one that the 
special returning officers, their assistants or the scrutineers were mainly, or 
even to any substantial extent, responsible for the failure of this election to 
produce any certain result. 

To see whether this is the correct view or not we need only imagine 
ourselves in the place of any special returning officer and consider the condi- 
tions under which he and his assistants had to discharge their very responsible 
duties. Paragraph 5 of the Rules creates three "voting territories" inside Canada, 
with headquarters at Ottawa, Halifax and Edmonton respectively, each pre- 
sided over by a special returning officer. It also provides for the establishment 
if necessary of a voting territory for Canadian Forces electors stationed outside 
of Canada. I shall confine myself to the first three, for what I have to say 
will serve, mutatis mutandis, for the outside territory also. Each special return- 
ing officer is given assistants; and paragraphs 9 and 10 provide for at least six 
scrutineers, and more if necessary, at each headquarters. This, I think, suffi- 
ciently describes the personnel set-up, and I have now to look at the conditions 
under which they worked. 

There were, on June 18th last, some 264 electoral districts in Canada. It 
seems obvious that every Service man who voted must have had an 'ordinary 



240 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

residence' in some one of these 264. Those in charge of the voting must therefore 
have had to keep in mind the possibility, for which they would have to be pre- 
pared in advance, that some outer envelope produced before them might bear 
the name of some city, town, village or other place in Canada of which none of 
them had even heard. It would also bear, right under the name of the resi- 
dence, the name of the electoral district. Both these items appear on the back 
of the outer envelope which the Forces elector has to sign. They are part of a 
printed reproduction there of Form 7, with blanks to be filled in by him giving 
his name, rank and number. He also declares that he is a Canadian citizen or 
other British subject, that he has attained the age of twenty-one years and 
that he has not previously voted at the pending general election. 

This is all the information that the elector is required to give in his declara- 
tion. What, then, are the duties of the special returning officer or his chief 
assistant with regard to it? Some of these are routine and formal; those that 
are material to us are contained in sub-paragraphs (d) and (e) of paragraph 
70 of the Rules, which read: — 

"70. On receipt of voter envelopes containing ballot papers marked by Cana- 
dian Forces electors and Veteran electors, the special returning officer 
or his chief assistant shall 

(d) direct the scrutineers to ascertain, from the details given on the 
back of each outer envelope, the correct electoral district containing 
the place of ordinary residence of the Canadian Forces elector, or 
Veteran elector, and to sort such outer envelope thereto; and 

(e) make sure that each such outer envelope is sorted to its proper 
electoral district, and has been duly marked and initialled by the 
scrutineers." 

On this point, the ascertainment of the correct electoral district, the funda- 
mental and vital importance of which seems, as I hope to show, to have escaped 
those who drafted the Rules, I can find no further enlightenment in the Rules 
themselves, nothing to show how the scrutineers should go about the perform- 
ance of a task which, from the very nature of the circumstances in which they 
were placed, must inevitably have presented great difficulties. 

This seems to me the appropriate place, before I go further, to advert to 
a striking feature of the hearing before us which may well mark it as unique 
in the record of election petitions. Neither the petitioner nor the respondent 
found it necessary to call as a witness any of the special returning officers, 
assistants, scrutineers or others who participated in the handling and treatment 
of the 34 votes mentioned in the petition. The parties are not to be criticised 
for not submitting evidence if the issue could be determined without it. But 
this fact, while it facilitated the proceedings and helped clarify the issue, had 
one unfortunate effect. It would have greatly assisted the Court if it had 
been heard at first hand certain details, which can now only be guessed at, 
of the ways in which the "correct" or "proper", electoral districts were in fact 
ascertained. In the absence of such evidence I am compelled to ask some ques- 
tions which I might conceivably not have asked, and to do so with a feeling of 
diffidence and of being subject to correction by someone more conversant with 
the procedure actually followed. 



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This, however, may be called a relatively minor matter. What cannot be 
so called is the stark and startling truth that it was in every case the elector 
himself who supplied the evidence, which only needed what was little more 
than formal confirmation by Mr. Browne and the returning officer for St. John's 
West, that showed him to be not qualified to vote in that district. How did such 
an event come about? In the answer which I now submit we find, I am confident, 
the greater part, if not the whole, of the cause of the trouble. 

If paragraph 70 (d) which I have quoted is read, as it should be, together 
with paragraph 36 (1) and Form 7, a serious inconsistence is revealed. Para- 
graph 36 (1), which deals with the declaration to be made by a Forces elector, 
after setting forth the matters that must be contained, has these words: "the 
name of the electoral district and of the province in which such place of ordinary 
residence is situated may be stated in such declaration in Form No. 7." We have 
to note the use of the word ''may". When, however, we look at Form No. 7 as 
set out in the Rules we find these words, underneath a dotted line to be filled 
in, "Here insert name of electoral district." And this is followed by a similar 
line with the words, "Here insert name of province." 

This is the inconsistency I have mentioned, and that it is a serious one is 
made clear when, finally, we look at paragraph 70 (d), above quoted. 36 (1) 
has given the elector a choice between two alternatives: to omit the name of 
the district or to insert it. Form 7, of which alone he would be made aware 
in this connection and which he would actually have to sign, is clearly in the 
imperative: it says "Insert". He is given no choice, and he naturally obeys. The 
practical effect of this must surely be that the name of the district will appear 
on every declaration, that is to say, on every outer envelope. 

Let us suppose, however, that in some cases it does not appear: unquestion- 
ably, in spite of Form 7, the voter is entitled to omit it if he wishes. If some such 
case is brought to the notice of the returning officer, what should he do about 
it? To take an actual example from the 34 envelopes before us he will see 
"St. Phillip's, Newfoundland". Let us invent a couple, and say he sees "Tup- 
perville. New Brunswick" or "Black Rock, Alberta". Presumably the returning 
officer will have in mind, and turn to, Rule 70 (d). He is at once confronted 
by the same difficulty which I will confess I find in deciding just what the 
language used there really means. One would have thought that the Rules, 
after indicating in paragraph 36 (1) that the declaration might be in either 
of two forms, would have here provided for the proper treatment of both 
cases respectively. This plainly is not done. Can it be said that 70 (d) sufficiently 
takes care of both? I hardly think so. The word "ascertain" seems apt only to 
the case where the district is not named. It is true that the phrase "correct 
electoral district" does suggest that those who framed the Rules envisaged the 
case of an elector having, mistakenly or otherwise, named a wrong district, and 
intended that the scrutineers should accordingly examine every envelope to 
test its accuracy in that respect. But, if that were so, the paragraph should, 
and could, have said this expressly and clearly. Since it does not do so, the 
scrutineers can hardly be blamed if they accepted the word of the elector 
himself and assumed that he had "ascertained" his own proper district. But 



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this is not the case I am immediately considering, which is where no district 
at all is named on the envelope. It is in such connections as this that first hand 
evidence would have been so helpful. Without it I can only say that the task 
confronting the returning officer and scrutineers appears to me a formidable 
one, to say the least. Paragraph 15 mentions the provision of books of key 
maps and books of excerpts from the Canadian Postal Guide, but says nothing 
more about them that I can find. If with this apparatus alone to help them the 
scrutineers are able in any such case to ascertain the proper district, either 
they are unusually sagacious and diligent or the Postal Guides are one hundred 
per cent exhaustive and accurate. In any case we must assume that the residence 
is located and the district thereby fixed. If not, if it cannot be found at all, I 
can see no course for the returning officer to follow but to mark the envelope 
as containing a rejected ballot and set it aside. If it is located, obviously the 
only thing to do is to send it to the district indicated. And, it might be added, 
secretly hope for the best. 

However, this seems a most unlikely case to arise. If the 34 envelopes we 
have examined are typical — and there seems no good reason why they should 
not be — the electors must, in virtually every case, have named the district 
as well as the place of residence. And here I can see the returning officer pos- 
sibly placed in a dilemma the chance of which occurring is so obvious that it 
should have been the first consideration in the minds of those who framed the 
Rules. Genuine and unintentional mistakes occur in every election and should 
be guarded against in every reasonable way. Now, the returning officer is 
cautioned to see to it, in the case of every envelope, that it is sorted to the 
proper electoral district. Which then is the proper electoral district when the 
elector's residence is shown to be in one district and he has himself named 
another? Plainly, the former. To put it generally and symbolically, let us sup- 
pose a service voter's residence is found to be in district A and the name given 
by him to be district B. The proper district, the only one in which he is entitled 
to vote, is A. Must the scrutineers sort the envelopes to district A knowing 
that the odds are overwhelmingly in favour of his having written the name 
on his ballot paper of a candidate in district B? Surely not. It is virtually 
certain that, if this is done, some candidate will receive a vote that does not 
belong to him; also — what is vastly more important — that, once the ballot is 
put in the ballot box, irremediable harm may have been done. Its identity 
will be lost and it will be impossible to remove it, with the result that it will 
inevitably be counted. 

The only proper disposition of such an outer envelope is surely that it should 
be set aside as containing a rejected ballot paper. And I should have thought 
that the Rules would provide, in every case where reasonable doubt is raised 
on this score by the details on the outer envelope, some procedure for remov- 
ing the doubt if possible before the envelope is opened for counting: if any 
doubt still remains then, the ballot should be rejected. Yet paragraphs 73 and 
74, treating the disposition of outer envelopes that are not satisfactory, deal 
only with incomplete envelopes, those received too late and the case of an 
elector having voted twice. They are silent on this, which would seem the most 
likely as well as the most serious case of all: where there is a manifest discrep- 
ancy and lack of agreement between the real district, as fixed by the place of 
residence, and that named by the voter. 

More might be said on this subject, the actual voting and counting procedure 
laid down by the Rules; but I think the points to which I have drawn attention 
are enough at least to raise considerable doubt whether those participating, as 



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far as these votes are concerned, were as much to blame as the procedure itself, 
as much as the whole system under which Canadian Forces vote in a parlia- 
mentary election. I feel that this judgment would be incomplete if I did not 
carry the analysis a little further and into that wider realm of the system as 
a whole. What I have said so far as an ad hoc character and deals only with 
factors existing in this particular instance. Merely to remedy any faults found 
therein would not be enough. 

In approaching that task I feel to a greater degree the diffidence I have 
above described. I am sensible of the fact that the Rules which I am examining 
have already and repeatedly been examined by others better qualified, through 
greater experience and knowledge of practical considerations than I, or any 
other outsider, can be to decide whether or not they sufficiently meet any par- 
ticular situation or problem. Where some Rule may on the face of it appear 
faulty or questionable, an explanation and justification may well be found 
in some fact or circumstance of which the critic is ignorant or has only an 
imperfect knowledge. I shall therefore endeavour to confine my own criticism 
as far as possible to what might be called general principles, which are abstract 
in their nature. Happily, it will be found that these crystallise down into very 
small compass. 

Quite the most important of these principles are those applied to the safe- 
guarding of the secrecy of the ballot, the necessity for which, in any democratic 
society, calls for no explanation. But the assumption upon which rules for this 
safeguarding are based must not be forgotten, though it often is. That is, that 
the vote in question has been a proper, valid and effective one. Where that is 
not the case, where for one reason or another the ballot is a bad one, simple 
logic moves in the opposite direction. Not merely does the voter in such case 
not deserve to remain anonymous but there may be several good reasons why 
his identity should be discovered, and even, it might be, disclosed. 

Both these, superficially conflicting, ends are met in all free states by much 
the same kind of device, which long experience has shown to work satisfac- 
torily. It assures the secrecy of a vote in all cases, but, where in any one case 
a compelling reason arises, the ballot paper can be identified and traced to the 
voter. This is done by the use of the register, or voters list, the ballot paper 
proper and the counterfoil, combined in a certain way. The several conco- 
mitants in the process are set out clearly in the Canada Elections Act where it 
treats of the normal voting by civilians. But in the Schedule containing the 
rules for service voting (on effect a statute within a statute) we find a 
departure so astonishing as to be almost incredible. If the ballot paper used by 
civilian voter and illustrated in forms 35, 37 and 38 of the Act is compared 
with the specimen in form 10 of the Forces Rules, it will at once be seen that 
the former bears a number in the ballot which is repeated on the counterfoil, 
whereas the latter bears no number at all, and there is no counterfoil. The 
service ballot is completely unidentifiable. I have for my ov/n part carefully 
searched the Rules for an explanation of this startling difference, but can find 
none. The only one that I can conceive is that those who framed the Rules, and 
the Parliaments who approved them, thought that service men deserved a 
greater measure of protection, if that is the right word, than civilians. No 
thought seems to have been given to the possibility that any service vote should 
be wrongly cast, or to the effect which a bad and untraceable vote might have 
upon thousands of others properly cast and counted. It is with this latter situa- 
tion that we are confronted, and I have already indicated how devastating the 

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effect has been in this instance. One can be forgiven for wondering in how 
many other districts across Canada the same result has followed but has not 
been brought to light merelj^ because no inquiry has been made. 

This defect, if my view of this feature is correct and it can be so called, 
is easily the worst that can be found in the system. If it did not exist, faults in 
the earlier stages of the voting such as I have above touched upon would be 
cured, or at least would be curable. The chief danger there would still remain, 
that the fault should not be discovered in time. That might well have been the 
case here if there had not been a recount. There is no voters list or, as it is 
called in England, register of electors in the case of service men and women; 
and the declaration made by the voter in the outer envelope takes its place. 
Where civilian electors are concerned the voters list is readily accessible to a 
candidate and his agents, and it is where it ought to be, in the district he is 
contesting. Further, it is, or should be, carefully revised and kept up to date, 
and the chances are reduced almost to a minimum of errors creeping in. This 
is specially true of the matter that has caused all the trouble in this particular 
election, the place of residence of the voter. It is far different with service 
voters. They are all over the place, and their residences will only appear, and 
be scrutinized, in a voting headquarters far distant in most cases from the one 
place where alone that scrutiny can be properly made, the district itself. It 
must follow that few candidates, if any, can have anything but a vague idea 
about the service vote in his district or the qualifications of those voting. Only 
a recount, it would seem, can supply that information. 

I mention this feature for the special reason that it provokes w^hat is per- 
haps the most disquieting thought of all, the possibility of deliberate and 
successful wrongdoing. The most astute and unscrupulous civilian voter would 
hardly dare to make a knowingly false statement about his place of residence. 
The penalties are severe and he would have little chance of pulling it off. But 
the temptation might be very great to a service voter to see if he could not shift 
his vote from the proper candidate, who might not need it, to another who in 
his opinion did. If the case at bar is any criterion, the chances would be all in 
his favour of the vote being received and counted; and, if any enquiry should 
happen to be made, he would be well protected by this anonymity of the ballot. 

There are other aspects of the system which, if not outright faults, would 
seem to indicate weaknesses, but no purpose would be served by mention of 
them here. While a judge may properly draw attention to such things, and is 
encouraged to do so to a certain extent in election cases, and while he may 
suggest the remedy as well, the latter function belongs in other hands. But in 
some clear instances the trouble itself may suggest the cure; no harm can be 
done, and some good may be, if this is pointed out and clarified. I think this 
petition is such an instance and make no apology for carrying this analysis one 
step further. 

It is plain that a member of the Forces stands in a position different from 
that of the stay at home civilian. Different treatment is therefore required, but 
need it be carried as far as it is? The only real distinction between the two 
affects the first steps only in the voting procedure; once those are completed 
there is no good reason v/hy both votes should not be treated in the same way 
and by the same machinery. And so it may be asked whether the elaborate 
set-up of four or more voting territories is really necessary. It may have been 
so some years back, before the advent of air mail. Today, when it may be said 
that an envelope can reach Canada from almost any place in the world in little 
more than a week, a consideration like this, which is after all only a matter of 
convenience, seems to lose most of its weight. I can see no good reason why 



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the envelope filled in by the service voter and containing his vote could not be 
sent by the deputy returning officer before whom it is completed directly to the 
district named on it. The envelope itself could be the same as that now used, 
except that the address would not be printed on the front but filled in there and 
then. If for some reason it could not then be examined and the vote counted in 
the same way and by the same persons as the civilian votes, it would be a small 
matter to create a special returning office as is now done. I can myself again 
see no reason why the efficient machinery already set up and at its disposal 
could not be used. If this case, of St. John's West, is a fair example, I can say 
of it without hesitation that all the 34 envelopes produced before us would have 
been rejected in a matter of minutes in any counting done in vSt. John's, and 
an addition of less than 400 votes to the 25,000 odd that were in fact counted 
would have entailed very little extra work and time. 

This procedure, besides reducing to a minimum the chance of votes being 
recorded that have been cast by voters outside the district, would also, it would 
seem, help to eliminate the undesirable feature in the present system of defer- 
ring the counting of service votes until after polling day. That, however, is a 
large topic outside the strict scope of this particular enquiry; there is no causal 
connection between it and the uncertainty of the final count. I mention it only 
in passing. 

The foregoing observations are, as I said at the beginning, merely ancillary 
to the issue proper of the petition and not essential to its determination. But, 
there remains one matter to be considered of which the same cannot be said. 
It raises a question of the first importance and the only one that has presented 
any real difficulty. I will add that it is with great reluctance that I have given 
the answer to it which I proceed to explain. 

Much has been said in this judgment about uncertainty. But that is a broad 
term, and the exact nature of the uncertainty brought about in the case of this 
election must be kept in mind. The Canadian election law closely resembles the 
English, and the English reports contain a fair number of cases in which elec- 
tions have been avoided and declared invalid because the result of the election 
could not be exactly ascertained. Irregularities occurred which plainly could 
have affected the result, but there was no means of discovering just how they 
did effect it. Now this election in St. John's West is not such a case. It is not 
unlikely that 34 electors would have their votes counted in an English election 
who had no right to cast them; but, if that were the case, the remedy would be 
simple and easy. Once it was established that they had voted and that their 
votes had been declared void, an order would be made for the opening and 
examination of the ballot papers, the offending votes would be traced and the 
number of votes given for the respective candidates clearly ascertained. And this 
without revealing how any particular elector had voted. Such an order would 
obviously be futile here. It would be impossible to sort, out of the 424 votes cast 
by service voters, the 34 in question. 

But that does not end the matter. iWthout going into the feasibility of it, 
if the 34 electors were asked to repeat their voting in the election, and did so in 
the same manner and using the same unidentifiable ballot papers, it would be 
sufficient. Nobody wants to know for which candidate any elector voted, and 
that knowledge is unnecessary. All we need to know is how many voted for the 



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petitioner and how many for the respondent. Failing this — and the practical 
difficulties in the way are obvious — as a last resort the voters could be asked 
individually how they voted. This is rarely done, but sometimes may be un- 
avoidable. Halsbury mentions a case in which two ballot papers were found to 
have the same numbers and one of them was marked in such a way as to make 
it bad. It was impossible to say if this one had been marked by the voter (his 
vote had been declared bad) and it was decided that both might be shown to 
him so that he might say which was his. 

There might possibly be other ways of getting at the real truth, though I 
cannot think of any; but, whatever method were used, it is doubtful if the 
result would be convincing. The voters are v/idely separated and some may 
possibly be now unavailable; the figures show that all, or very nearly all, the 
votes would have to be included to produce a definite result; and the matter 
has received so much publicity, and the standing of the parties is so well known 
that there could be no certainty that the result reached was in truth what it 
would have been if the votes had not been counted. The whole idea of a recount 
in this connection appears impracticable and we feel that we cannot in fairness 
adopt or recommend it. There is no course left but to declare the election void. 

Mr. R. A. Parsons, Q.C. 

and Mr. J. J. Greene for Petitioner; 

Mr. P. J. Lewis, Q.C. 

and Mr. G. F. Laing for Respondent. 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that, pursuant to section 69 of the 
Dominion Controverted Elections Act, chapter 87, R.S.C., 1952, he had addressed 
his Warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for the issue of a new Writ of Election 
for the said Electoral District of St. John's West. 



Mr. Howe, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Tele- 
graph Lines, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was 
read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print from day to day 750 copies in English 
and 300 copies in French of its Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, and that 
Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto; 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 20 to 15 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (b) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Howe, seconded by Mr. Smith 
(Simcoe North), the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Aiken, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to print such papers 
and evidence, from day to day, as may be deemed advisable or necessary, and 
that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Thomas, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



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On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Ormiston be substituted for that of Mr. Kennedy on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole, and further progress having been made and re- 
ported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers) ] 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — That an 
humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House copies of correspondence or any documents ex- 
changed between the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance or any 
other Minister of the Crown and officers of the Department of Justice or the 
Privy Council or any other government department or agency on the subject 
of Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-902, dated June 24, 1962, and 
the amendment to the Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-987, dated July 
11, 1962, and the Import Control List as amended by P.C. 1962-903, dated 
June 24, 1962, with particular reference to the legality of such Orders. — {Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 16). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), moved, — That 
a Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping owned and con- 
trolled by the Government be appointed to consider the accounts, estimates and 
bills relating to the Canadian National Railways, the Canadian National (West 
Indies) Steamships, and Trans-Canada Air Lines, saving always the powers of 
the Committee of Supply in relation to the voting of public moneys, and that 
the said Committee be empowered to send for persons, papers and records, and 
to report from time to time, and that notwithstanding Standing Order 67 in 
relation to the limitation of the number of Members, the said Committee shall 
consist of 26 Members. 

And the question being proposed; 

By unanimous consent, it was agreed that the words "The Canadian 
National (West Indies) Steamships," be deleted from the said motion so as to 
read, — That a Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping owned 
and controlled by the Government be appointed to consider the accounts, 
estimates and bills relating to the Canadian National Railways and Trans- 
Canada Air Lines, saving always the powers of the Committee of Supply in 
relation to the voting of public moneys, and that the said Committee be empow- 



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ered to send for persons, papers and records, and to report from time to time, 
and that notwithstanding Standing Order 67 in relation to the limitation of the 
number of Members, the said Committee shall consist of 26 Members. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, (Question No. 2) showing: 1. Are 
any departments of the federal government making surveys or studies of the 
effects upon animals, fish, and birds of insecticide spraying and, if so, what 
departments are making such surveys or studies? 

2. What results have been obtained from such surveys or studies, and are 
there available any reports or documents containing such results? 

3. What powers are possessed by the government for the control or regula- 
tion of insecticide spraying, and in what ways, and to what extent, are such 
powers being used? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, 
(Question No. 8) showing: 1. What are the names, annual salaries, and expenses 
of the superintendent and administrative staff of Revelstoke National Park for 
the fiscal year 1960-1961? 

2. Were houses built for the superintendent and administrative staff; and, 
if so (a) what is their number (b) what is the average size in floor space (c) 
what was their average cost per square foot of floor space (d) what was the 
cost of landscaping per house (e) what was the cost in the fiscal year 1960-1961 
of providing for each house: (i) oil (ii) coal (Hi) wood (iv) gas (v) light 
and water? (Answers for (h) to (e) are required broken down into (1) 
superintendent (2) other administrative staff). 

3. What is the size of the paving blocks from the superintendent's house 
to the street, and what was the cost per block? 

4. How many passenger cars and other vehicles were used by the superin- 
tendent and staff in Revelstoke Park in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

5. What was the cost of operation per vehicle in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

6. What were the regulations for use of vehicles by the staff in off-duty 
hours in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

7. What was the inventory of the road and other machinery located and 
used at Revelstoke Park in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

8. What was the cost of repairs and fuel for these vehicles for operation of 
the machinery during the fiscal year 1960-61? 

9. Have any of the park employees been employed on projects undertaken 
by contracts in the fiscal year 1960-61? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House dated October 22, 1962, 
(Question No. 261) showing: 1. What quantities, by grade, of coal were exported 
from Canada in 1960, 1961, and to date in 1962? 



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2. What quantities, by grade, of coal were available to coal dealers and 
consumers in British Columbia in 1960, 1961, and to date in 1962? 

3. Have any complaints been received from coal dealers and consumers in 
B.C. with respect to difficulties in obtaining good furnace coal since January 1, 
1960, and, if so, what action has been taken? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Supplementary Return to an Order of the House, dated 
October 22, 1962, {Question No. 360) showing: Did the government, directly or 
indirectly, or any Agency or Crown Corporation, purchase any Canadian nickel 
in the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, and, if so, what quantities, and for 
what amount in each of the said years for (a) defence production (b) research 
(c) international aid (such as, Colombo Plan, etc.) (d) for all other purposes? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 1962, 
(* Question No. 427) showing: 1. What authority has the federal government 
over the Toronto Harbour and its lands? 

2. Who owns the Toronto Harbour and its lands? 

3. What authority has the federal government over the development of the 
Toronto Harbour lands? 

4. How much money has the federal government spent on the development 
of the Toronto Harbour? 

5. Does the federal government derive any revenue from the operations 
of the Toronto Harbour and its lands? 

6. Has the Department of Transport received any request for approval of 
development of Toronto Harbour lands and, if so, what was the decision? 

7. Does the Department of Transport have any regulations concerning 
height of buildings close to the Toronto Island Airport and, if so, what are 
these regulations? 

Sixteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions for Acts 
to annul the marriage of the following, presented on November 7th by Mr. 
Mandziuk, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Francesco Clemente of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Grazia Marciano 
Clemente. 

Margaret Catherine Mann Smith, wife of Douglas Kerr Smith of St. 
Lambert, Quebec. 

Seventeenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on November 7 by Mr. Mandziuk, meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Roland Boisvert of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eileen Williams Boisvert. 

Eileen Myrtle Elliott Burns, wife of James Berkeley Burns of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

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Ernestine Dorothy Jarvis Burton, wife of Gerald Thomas Burton of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Dorothy Sheritt Davison, wife of Thomas Matthew Davison of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lieselotte Margot Irmscher Dietrich, wife of Edgar Dietrich of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Florence Freda Tadei Dingman, wife of Reginald Orsen Dingman of 
Austin, Quebec. 

Dorothy Gladys Keane Faucher, wife of Alfred Faucher of Westmount, 
Quebec. 

Jeannine Fauteux Furoy, wife of Edward Furoy of Montreal, Quebec. 

Wilfrid Giroux of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Laurette Chamberland 
Giroux. 

Andrea Stuart Goodchild, wife of Ronald Lawrence Goodchild of Town 
of Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Gerald William Henderson of Bristol, Quebec, husband of Eileen Elizabeth 
Laframboise Henderson. 

Lily (Laura) Anita Stubina Karbelnik, wife of Louis Edward Karbelnik 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Constance Lebaron Dibblee Lank, wife of Raymond Bailey Lank of 
Montreal- West, Quebec. 

Martin Simeon Levy of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Inge Hansen Larsen 
Levy. 

John Loughheed (Lougheed) of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Carmen 
Marceau Loughheed (Lougheed). 

Helen Freda Benjamin (Marks) Markowiecki, wife of David (Marks) 
Markowiecki of Montreal, Quebec. 

Helen Mary MacKay Moffat, wife of Alexander Moffat of Sweetsburg, 
Quebec. 

May Margaret Rodgers Morelli, wife of Nicholas Morelli of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Josephine Suhr Deems Moseley, wife of Herbert Frederick Moseley of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Micheline Bastien McGuire, wife of Andre McGuire of Montreal, Quebec. 

Betty Beare O'Neil, wife of Garth O'Neil of Ville LaSalle, Quebec. 

Frederick Roberts of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Hazel Doreen 
Gushue Roberts. 

Cynthia Elsie RoUock Scott, wife of Marcel Sinclair Scott of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Anne-Marie Balazs Somlo, wife of Andre Pierre Somlo of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Eloise Warner Sonne, wife of Raymond Robert Sonne of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ginette Noela Melanie Hugon Soulier, wife of Robert Jean Soulier of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Geering Stockloser, wife of William Karl Stockloser of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Arthur Stoltze of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Margot Gengele Stoltze. 

Norma Evelyn Osborne Stone, wife of Cedric Archibald Stone of Knowlton, 
Quebec. 



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Armando Argentini of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Angela Giacondi 
Argentini. 

Pardo Belpulso of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rosa Ruta Belpulso. 

Jeanne d'Arc Papineau Benoit, wife of Jean Benoit of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rita Anne Page Bonner, wife of Roy Bonner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Madeleine Stattner Bornstein, wife of James Bornstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Roch Aurele Brault of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Frances 
Squire Brault. 

Sheila Aronoff Cohen, wife of Seymour Cohen of Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Mary Coghill Cushing, wife of Gerald King Cushing of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Rose Marie Luci Gates, wife of John Earl Gates of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mabel Lucille Holland Mills, wife of Thomas Mitchell Mills of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Nell Gwendolyn Fleury Jull, wife of Reginald Bennet Jull of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Rosamund Bushe Kertland, wife of John Oliver Kertland of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean McKinley Law Lear, wife of Frederick Thomas Lear of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie-Paule Goineau LeBel, wife of Roger LeBel of the Province of Quebec. 
Joseph Ferdinand Lepine of Bryson, Quebec, husband of Edna Lepine. 
Faith Audrey Gloria Burnham Martel, wife of Henri Jacques Mario Martel 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mildred Jessie Murray Parsons, wife of Marshall Frederick Parsons of St. 
Bruno, Quebec. 

Helene Marie Berthe Brault Rutledge, wife of James Raymond Rutledge 
of the United States of America. 

Demetra Tsivriotis Savourda, wife of Nicolaos Savourda of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margarete Hohanne Simmons, wife of Jack Edwin Simmons of the United 
States of America. 

Charles Yvon Joseph Thiry of the Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband 
of Micheline Paule Josephine Boulanger Thiry. 

Helene Denise Quintal Vien, wife of Jean Thomas Vien of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Diane Bulloch Dufresne, wife of Pierre Noiseux Dufresne of Montreal^ 
Quebec. 

Thelma Schuker Freeman, wife of Reuben Freeman of Montreal, Quebec, 

Betty Audrey Sims Brendish, wife of George Arnold Beresford Brendish 
of Terrasse Vaudreuil, Quebec. 

Donald Allan Lavallee of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marion Margaret 
Mullin Lavallee. 

Gilles Lamoureux of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Liliane Laperriere 
Lamoureux. 

Teresa Botulynska Lesiuk, wife of Julian Roman Lesiuk of the Province 
of Quebec. 

Joseph Philippe Philias Fabien Parent of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Beatrice Vachon Parent. 

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252 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Twelfth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 96: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioner for an Act to annul her marriage has complied with the 
requirements of Standing Order 96: 

Margaret Catherine Mann Smith, wife of Douglas Kerr Smith of St. Lam- 
bert, Quebec. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Thirteenth Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Armando Argentini of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Angela Giacondi Ar- 
gentina 

Pardo Belpulso of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rosa Ruta Belpulso. 

Dorothy Gladys Keane Faucher, wife of Alfred Faucher of Westmount, 
Quebec. 

Thelma Schuker Freeman, wife of Reuben Freeman of Montreal, Quebec. 
Jeannine Fauteux Furoy, wife of Edward Furoy of Montreal, Quebec. 

Wilfrid Giroux of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Laurette Chamberland 
Giroux. 

Gerald William Henderson of Bristol, Quebec, husband of Eileen Elizabeth 
Laframboise Henderson. 

Lily (Laura) Anita Stubina Karbelnik, wife of Louis Edward Karbelnik 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Teresa Botulynska Lesiuk, wife of Julian Roman Lesiuk of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Martin Simeon Levy of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Inge Hansen Larsen 
Levy. 

John Loughheed (Lougheed) of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Carmen Mar- 
ceau Loughheed (Lougheed). 

Mabel Lucille Holland Mills, wife of Thomas Mitchell Mills of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

May Margaret Rodgers Morelli, wife of Nicholas Morelli of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Josephine Suhr Deems Moseley, wife of Herbert Frederick Moseley of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Micheline Bastien McGuire, wife of Andre McGuire of Montreal, Quebec. 

Betty Beare O'Neil, wife of Garth O'Neil of Ville LaSalle, Quebec. 

Joseph Philippe Philias Fabien Parent of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Beatrice Vachon Parent. 

Cynthia Elsie Rollock Scott, wife of Marcel Sinclair Scott of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Eloise Warner Sonne, wife of Raymond Robert Sonne of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ginette Noela Melanie Hugon Soulier, wife of Robert Jean Soulier of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Helene Denise Quintal Vien, wife of Jean Thomas Vien of Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 8th NOVEMBER 253 

At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 9th NOVEMBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Eight petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting The Trustee Board of The Presbyterian Church 
in Canada. — Mr. Mcllraith. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Hees, 
it was ordered, — That the Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and 
Shipping consist of Messrs. Addison, Badanai, Baldwin, Belzile, Bourbonnais, 
Caouette, Chevrier, Coates, Fairweather, Fisher, Foy, Granger, Gregoire, Lamou- 
reux, Mitchell, Muir (Lisgar), Ouellet, Pascoe, Prittie, Pugh, Rideout, Rinfret, 
Robinson, Rouleau, Rowe, and Smith (Simcoe North); and that the Annual 
Reports for 1961 of the Canadian National Railways, the Canadian National 
Railways Securities Trust, and Trans-Canada Air Lines, the Auditors' Reports 
to Parliament in respect of the Canadian National Railways and of Trans- 
Canada Air Lines, tabled on March 20, 1962; the budget for 1962 of Trans- 
Canada Air Lines tabled on February 9, 1962; and the budget for 1962 of the 



256 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Canadian National Railways tabled on April 18, 1962, be referred to the said 
Committee; and that items numbered 80 — Newfoundland Ferry and Terminals, 
85 — Prince Edward Island Car Ferry and Terminals, 100 — Maritime Freight 
Rates Act, as listed in the Revised Estimates of 1962-63, be withdrawn from 
the Committee of Supply and referred to the said Committee, saving always 
the powers of the Committee of Supply in relation to the voting of public 
moneys. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) r 

The following resolutions were adopted: 

INCOME TAX ACT 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the In- 
come Tax Act and to provide among other things: 

1. That for the 1962 and subsequent taxation years the amount deductible 
in computing taxable income in respect of a child qualified for family allowance 
be increased to $300 and the amount deductible in respect of other dependants 
be increased to $550 each. 

2. That with respect to income earned after March 31, 1962 a corporation 
whose principal business is manufacturing or processing (not including a 
corporation whose principal business is shipbuilding, mining, logging or the 
operation of oil or gas wells) be allowed to deduct from its tax otherwise 
payable an amount equal to 50 per cent of the tax on the first $50,000, of its 
taxable income attributable to increased sales and an amount equal to 25 per 
cent of the tax on the remainder of its taxable income so attributable. 

3. That with respect to its first taxation year ending after April 10, 1962 
and the next succeeding four taxation years a corporation be permitted to 
deduct in computing income 150 per cent of the amount by which expenditures 
of a current and capital nature on scientific research in Canada incurred by it 
in the year exceed expenditures of a current and capital nature on scientific 
research in Canada incurred by it in its last taxation year ending on or before 
April 10, 1962. 

4. That for the 1962 to 1966 taxation years both inclusive the deduction 
from tax allowed to corporations in respect of taxable income earned in a 
province be increased from 9 per cent to 10 per cent in a prescribed province 
in which arrangements exist for the replacement of federal grants to univer- 
sities by additional provincial grants in accordance with the proposed amend- 
ments to the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act. 

5. That v/ith respect to taxation years commencing in 1962 a taxpayer be 
allowed a deduction from tax of an amount equal to the lesser of two-thirds of 
the amount payable for the year to a province as a tax on income from logging 
operations or § of 10 per cent of the taxpayer's income from logging operations 
in the province, and the right to deduct in computing income amounts paid to 
a province as tax on income from logging operations be repealed. 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 9th NOVEMBER 257 

6. That with respect to expenses incurred after April 10, 1962 any corpora- 
tion be allowed to deduct in computing income the drilling and exploration 
expenses, including all general geological and geophysical expenses, incurred 
by it on or in respect of exploring or drilling for petroleum or natural gas in 
Canada and the prospecting, exploration and development expenses incurred 
by it in searching for minerals in Canada not exceeding its income for the year 
from oil or gas wells in Canada. 

7. That with respect to expenses incurred after April 10, 1962 an individual 
be allowed to deduct in computing income the drilling and exploration expenses, 
including all general geological and geophysical expenses, incurred by him on 
or in respect of exploring or drilling for petroleum or natural gas in Canada not 
exceeding his income for the year from oil or gas wells in Canada. 

8. That with respect to acquisitions after April 10, 1962 amounts paid by 

(a) a corporation whose principal business is production, refining or mar- 
keting of petroleum, petroleum products or natural gas, or exploring 
or drilling for petroleum or natural gas, or mining or exploring for 
minerals, 

(b) an association, partnership or syndicate formed for the purpose of ex- 
ploring or drilling for petroleum or natural gas, 

(c) a corporation (other than a corporation that qualifies under (a)), or 

(d) an individual 

for a right, licence or privilege to explore for, drill for or take petroleum or 
natural gas in Canada shall be classed as drilling or exploration expenses for 
purposes of computing deductions from income. 

9. That with respect to any disposition by a taxpayer after April 10, 1962 
of property consisting of a right, licence or privilege to drill for, explore for 
or take petroleum or natural gas, there shall be included in the income of the 
taxpayer any amount received by him as consideration for the disposition, 
except where 

(a) the taxpayer was a person (other than one who would otherwise be 
required to include that amount in computing his income) who ac- 
quired the property on or before April 10, 1962, and who, for the 
taxation year that included that day, was not one of a class of persons 
who would be entitled to deduct expenses of drilling or exploring for 
petroleum or natural gas in computing income, 

(b) the property so disposed of was acquired by the taxpayer by inheri- 
tance or bequest, or 

(c) the property so disposed of was acquired by the taxpayer on or before 
April 10, 1962 and disposed of by him before November 9, 1962. 

10. That the right of a successor corporation to deduct drilling, exploration, 
prospecting and development expenses incurred by a predecessor corporation 
from the income of the successor corporation attributable to the production of 
petroleum or natural gas from wells, or the production of minerals from mines, 
situated on property acquired from the predecessor corporation shall not be lost 
by reason of the fact that the successor corporation assumed liabilities of the 
predecessor corporation. 



258 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

11. That a joint exploration corporation may renounce an appropriate 
share of the drilling, exploration, prospecting and development expenses in- 
curred by it after 1956 in searching for oil, gas or minerals in Canada in favour 
of a shareholder corporation whose principal business is 

(a) production, refining or marketing of petroleum, petroleum products 
or natural gas, or exploring or drilling for petroleum or natural gas, 

(b) mining or exploring for minerals, 

(c) processing mineral ores for the purpose of recovering metals there- 
from, 

(d) a combination of 

(i) processing mineral ores for the purpose of recovering metals there- 
from, and 
(ii) processing metals recovered from the ores so processed, or 

(e) fabricating metals, 

and in such case the expenses renounced shall be deductible by the shareholder 
corporation and not by the joint exploration corporation. 

12. That the right of a successor corporation to deduct drilling, explora- 
tion, prospecting and development expenses incurred by a predecessor corpora- 
tion from the income of the successor corporation attributable to the production 
of petroleum or natural gas from wells, or the production of minerals from 
mines, situated on property acquired from the predecessor corporation be ex- 
tended to a second successor corporation which has acquired the property from 
a predecessor corporation which was itself a successor corporation. 

13. That for the 1962 and subsequent taxation years income earned in 
Canada by a non-resident corporation whose principal business is mining iron 
ore in Canada, be exempt from the additional 15 per cent tax imposed by Part 
IIIA on profits earned in Canada by non-resident corporations. 

14. That where an employee who is a member of one deferred profit 
sharing plan becomes a member of another deferred profit sharing plan the 
amount to his credit in the first mentioned plan may be transferred to his credit 
in the second mentioned plan without attracting tax on the amount so trans- 
ferred. 

15. That the amount to the credit of an annuitant under a registered retire- 
ment savings plan may be transferred at any time before the maturity of the 
plan to another registered retirement savings plan or to a registered pension 
fund or plan without attracting tax on the amount so transferred. 

ESTATE TAX ACT 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Estate 
Tax Act and to provide among other things: 

1. That the lien in respect of tax payable by a successor to real property 
situated in Canada of a deceased person shall be applicable only where it 
appears from the records of the appropriate land titles or land registry office 
or where it can be established from any document or other writing of which 
notice is given in those records that the deceased person had an estate or interest 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 9th NOVEMBER 259 

in that real property, but no such lien shall be applicable where the real 
property is situated in a province whose government has entered into an agree- 
ment with the Government of Canada whereby no transfer of an estate or 
interest in the real property may be registered until the consent of the Minister 
of National Revenue to the transfer has been obtained. 

2. That for purposes of the deduction from aggregate net value allowed for 
the value of a gift made to a charitable organization in Canada, such an organi- 
zation shall include not only one that devotes its resources to the making of 
gifts to other such organizations in Canada, but also one that devotes part or 
all of its resources to the making of gifts to Her Majesty in right of Canada or 
a province, a Canadian municipality or a municipal or other public body in 
Canada performing a function of government. 

3. That the tax applicable in respect of the property of a person dying domi- 
ciled outside of Canada shall not apply to the property situated in Canada 
of an officer or servant of an organization as defined for the purpose of section 
3 of the Privileges and Immunities (United Nations) Act, where the property 
was acquired during his lifetime for or incident to his residence in Canada as 
such an officer or servant whose duties required him to reside in Canada at 
the time of his death. 

4. That any enactment founded on paragraphs (1) and (3) shall apply 
in respect of deaths occurring after December 31, 1958. 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing 

Order 15(3)^ 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 3 inclusive having been called were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-21, An Act to amend 
the Canada Elections Act (Age of Voters) ; 

Mr. Lewis, seconded by Mr. Herridge, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated November 7, 1962, for a copy of the letter of resigna- 



260 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH U 

tion submitted by Richard B. Simmins, Director of Exhibition Extension Serv- 
ices. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 35). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, C Question No. 63) showing: 1. Have the City of Montreal, the Canadian 
Broadcasting Corporation, and the Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation 
accepted the plan for the CBC buildings to be erected in Montreal between 
Papineau, Dorchester, Craig, and Amherst Streets? 

2. Was the said plan submitted to the government, and on what date? 

3. Will the proprietors, tenants, merchants, and industrialists of this area 
be informed in the near future of the government's decision with respect thereto? 

4. What period of time will be given to the residents of this area for 
eviction purposes? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 1962, 
(Question No. 318) showing: 1. What works are being carried out at the present 
time by the federal government in the County of Portneuf ? 

2. What are the names of the contractors carrying out these works? 

3. What sum of money has been granted for each such work? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (Question No. 321) showing: 1. Since the Civil Service Regulations under 
the new Civil Service Act came into effect on April 1, 1962, have any employees 
working in X-Ray departments of federal hospitals been found to be in need 
of leave because of exposure to radioactivity and, if so, how many? 

2. In each case (a) when was the finding made (b) when did the employee's 
leave begin (c) what was the length of each employee's leave? 

3. How often do physical examinations of such employees take place? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 24, 
1962, (^Question No. 379) showing: In the current financial year were any 
public works planned for the District of Bonaventure and, if so (a) where was 
it intended to proceed with them (b) what was the amount involved in each 
case (c) as of this date, have all these works been completed or are they in 
progress (d) has the austerity program affected any of the projects? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 
1962, (Question No. 518) showing: 1. Is there an organization known as Maple 
Leaf Services operating canteens at certain locations of the Canadian Army 
and providing refreshments to ranks below the rank of sergeant and, if not, 
is there any organization operated for that purpose, and what is its name? 

2. If the answer to the above is in the affirmative (a) what is the legal 
nature of the organization (i) body corporate (ii) partnership or (iii) sole 
proprietorship (b) if the organization is incorporated (i) under the laws of 
what jurisdiction was it incorporated (ii) is it incorporated with the object 
of profit or gain to its shareholders or members (iii) what is the address of its 
principal place of business (iv) what are the names and addresses of its direc- 
tors and officers (v) and what was the last rank in Her Majesty's service (if 
any) held by each of the above persons (c) if the organization is a partnership 
or a sole proprietorship, what are the names and address and last rank in 
Her Majesty's service (if any) held by each of the partners or the sole proprietor, 
as the case may be? 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 9th NOVEMBER 261 

3. Has an agreement been entered into between Her Majesty the Queen 
and the organization for the provision of canteen facilities to ranks of the 
Canadian Army below the rank of sergeant and, if so (a) what was the date 
of such agreement (b) how long does it continue in force (c) is there any 
provision for its early termination by Her Majesty the Queen and (d) is any 
right reserved to Her Majesty to control the prices charged at such canteens? 

4. Are the Sergeants' and/or Officers' Messes at any or all of the Canadian 
Army locations at which the organization operates, required to purchase their 
supplies from the organization, and is the current price for beer, soft drinks, 
coffee and doughnuts at the establishment of the organization at Camp Gage- 
town in excess of the current price for such articles at the Officers' and/or 
Sergeants' Messes at such camp and, if so, why? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 31, 
1962, {^Question No. 530) showing: 1. Is either the Canadian Broadcasting 
Corporation or the Board of Broadcast Governors aware that Lakehead Videon, 
a cable TV enterprise at Port Arthur and Fort William, is distributing to its 
patrons East-West football games which are carried on the CTV network and, 
if so, has either the CBC or the BBG examined this situation from a legal or 
jurisdictional point of view to determine whether the intent of the Broadcasting 
Act is being circumvented by such television services of live programs? 

2. Has either the CBC or the BBG held discussions with the Department 
of Transport in recent months on this general problem and on the specific one 
presented by Lakehead Videon? 

3. Has either the CBC or the BBG made any recommendations to the Gov- 
ernor in Council regarding this situation? 

By Mr. Martineau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Mines 
and Technical Surveys for the year ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to 
section 10 of the Department of Mines and Technical Surveys Act, chapter 73, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 12th NOVEMBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Ten petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Richard, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-77, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 598, by Mr. Perron, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many finance companies are operating in Canada under a federal 
charter? 

2. What amount of paid-up capital is required to operate under such a 
charter? 

3. Under which Act do finance companies operate when financing (a) motor 
vehicles (b) purchase of furniture, and when making personal loans? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 665, by Mr. Morris, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Were Canada-bound immigrants required to enter Canada by way of a 
Canadian port prior to 1947 and, if so, for how long had such a continuous- 
journey regulation been in effect? 



264 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

2. When was the continuous- journey regulation rescinded; and were Can- 
ada-bound immigrants permitted thereafter to enter Canada by way of United 
States ports? 

3. When were regulations again imposed requiring Canada-bound immi- 
grants to enter Canada by way of a Canadian port; and, thereafter, how many 
Canada-bound immigrants were permitted to enter Canada by way of a United 
States port by (a) ship (b) aircraft; and were those arriving in a United States 
port by ship required to continue their journey to Canada by air and, if so, 
how nian.y per aircraft? 

4. When was American Export Lines advised that not more than 99 Canada- 
bound immigrants arriving at a United States port by ship could continue their 
journey to Canada by surface carrier; and was the permission conditional on 
American Export Lines providing physical facilities at the Canada-U.S.A. bor- 
der at its own expense and, if so, at what locations? 

5. Has American Export Lines provided such facilities at its own expense 
and, if so, at what location? 

6. Was an undertaking given to American Export Lines not to alter regula- 
tions respecting Canada-bound immigrants and, if so (a) was the undertaking 
written or verbal (b) what regulations were to remain unchanged, for what 
period of time, and with effect from what date? 

Mr. McGee, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



*Question No. 672, by Mr. Morris, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What were the rates of wages paid to each prevailing rates trade group 
at H.M.C. Dockyard, Halifax, and H.M.C. Dockyard, Esquimalt, on November 6, 
1962? 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

EXCISE TAX ACT 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Excise 
Tax Act and to provide among other things: 

1. That the present exemption from sales tax for "Books, printed and 
bound, that contain no advertising and are solely for educational, technical, 
cultural or literary purposes," be changed to read "Printed books that con- 
tain no advertising and are solely for educational, technical, cultural or literary 
purposes,". 

2. That audio tapes and materials used in the manufacture thereof, au- 
thorized by the Department of Education of any province in Canada for instruc- 
tion in the English and the French language, be exempt from sales tax. 

3. That baler twine and materials used in the manufacture thereof be ex- 
empt from sales tax, regardless of use. 

4. That barrels and boxes for fish, lobster crates, lobster pots, lobster traps, 
scallop bags, and materials used in the manufacture thereof be exempt from 
sales tax. 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 12th NOVEMBER 265 

5. That drums or cans for honey and materials used in the manufacture 
thereof be exempt from sales tax. 

6. That goods for use in sewerage and drainage systems and materials used 
in the manufacture thereof be exempt from sales tax. 

7. That where a motor vehicle or tractor, or a machine or tool for operation 
by a motor vehicle or tractor, has been purchased or imported by a person 
who is the first purchaser or importer of the article for his own use and the 
article was purchased or imported for a use rendering such purchase or impor- 
tation exempt from sales tax, or where any such article has been purchased or 
imported by a user to whom the sale or by whom the importation v/as exempt 
from sales tax, if within five years of such sale or importation the article is 

(a) applied by the purchaser or importer to any use (other than of a 
casual nature) for which it could not originally have been purchased 
or imported exempt from sales tax, or 

(b) sold or leased by the purchaser or importer and such sale or lease 
is not exempt from sales tax, 

the said purchaser or importer shall be deemed to have sold the article at the 
time of the said application, sale or lease and sales tax shall be payable on its 
value at that time. 

8. That the present tax of 10 per cent on net premiums in respect of 
insurance against risks in Canada paid or payable by Canadian residents to 
an insurer not authorized under the laws of Canada or any province to transact 
the business of insurance, be extended to apply to net premiums in respect 
of any such insurance paid or payable by or on behalf of Canadian residents, 
where such insurance is entered into or renewed through a broker or agent 
outside Canada with an insurer that at the time the contract is entered into 
or renewed is authorized under the laws of Canada or any province to transact 
the business of insurance. 

9. That any enactment founded on paragraphs 1 to 6 of this resolution be 
deemed to have come into force on April 11, 1962, that any enactment founded 
on paragraph 7 of this resolution shall come into force on the date the said 
enactment is assented to, and that any enactment founded on paragraph 8 of 
this resolution be applicable in respect of contracts of insurance entered into 
or renewed after December 31, 1962. 



CUSTOMS TARIFF 

1. Resolved, — That Schedule A to the Customs Tarif be amended by strik- 
ing out tariff items 206b, 237a, 296g, 409f, 431h, 440m, 440n, 611a(4) and 
696(1), and the enumerations of goods and the rates of duty set opposite 
each of these items, and by inserting therein the following items, enumerations 
of goods and rates of duty: 

Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 



2066 Dextrose (glucose) solutions and levulose (fructose) 
solutions, prepared for parenteral administration in 
therapeutic treatments; component materials and 
articles to be used in making such preparations Free Free Free 



266 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 

2206 Phenylalanine deficient dietary preparations specially com- 
pounded for use in the treatment of phenylketonuria ... . Free Free 25 p.c. 

237o Deuterium oxide or heavy water; uranium in the form 

of pigs, ingots, billets or bars Free Free 25 p.c. 

On and after July 1,75^4 Free 15 p.c. 25 p.c. 

296sr Sodium calcium borate ore for use as a fire retardant . Free Free 25 p.c. 

On and after July l,/964 15 p.c. 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 

409/ Animal clippers; 

Automatic stock watering devices; 

Barn hay forks, carriage, pulleys and track; 

Barn litter carriers and track; 

Combination excavating and transporting scraper units; 

Egg cooling cabinets; 

Elevators (other than storage elevators) ; 

Grain crushers; 

Grain or hay dryers; 

Grain or hay grinders; 

Grain loaders; 

Gravity discharge farm wagon boxes; 

Hay stack form,s: 

Hitches and couplings; 

Hydraulic hoists for unloading vehicles; 

Land levellers; 

Machines and tools for use on tractors, including blades, 

loaders, rippers, rakes and related operating and 

controlling gear; 
Milk coolers; 
Sodium metabisulphite; 
Sprinkler irrigation systems; 
Stack heaters for orchards; 
Steel stanchions for confining livestock either in pens 

or individually, and complete equipment for milking 

parlors; 
All the foregoing for use on the farm for farm purposes 

only; 
Brooders; 
Ensilage cutters; 
Fodder or feed cutters; 
Hay loaders; 
Hay tedders; 
Post hole diggers; 
Potato diggers; 
Potato planters; 
Snaths; 

Stumping machines; 
All other agricultural implements or agricultural 

machinery, n.o.p.; 
Parts of all the foregoing Free Free Free 

431/i Geophysical surveying precision instruments and equip- 
ment for use exclusively in prospecting for, or in the 
exploration and development of, petroleum, natural 
gas, water wells and minerals, or for geophysical 
studies for engineering projects, including the follow- 
ing: Magnetometers; gravity meters and other instru- 
ments designed to measure the elements, variations 
and distortions of the natural gravitational force; 
field potentiometers, meggers, non-polarizing elec- 
trodes, and electrical equipment for making measure- 
ments in drill holes; instruments and equipment for 



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Most- 




British 


Favoured- 




Preferential 


Nation 


General 


Tariff 


Tariff 


Tariff 



Free 
15 p.c. 


27§ p.c 
27^ p.c, 


Free 
15 p.c. 


27i p.c, 
27f p.c. 


Free 
271 p.c. 


40 p.c. 
40 p.c. 



Tariff 

Item 

seismic prospecting; geiger muller counters and other 
instruments for radioactive methods of geophysical 
prospecting; electrical and electronic amplifying 
devices and electrical thermostats designed to be 
used with any of the foregoing; sodium iodide crys- 
tals, thallium activated, in rough cut planks, when 
imported to be manufactured into parts for use in 
instruments for prospecting; all the foregoing of a 
class or kind not made in Canada, and parts, tripods 
and fitted carrying cases for any of the foregoing ... . Free Free 30 p.c. 

440m Aircraft, not including engines, under such regulations 
as the Minister may prescribe: 

1. When of types or sizes not made in Canada Free 

On and after July 1 , 196S Free 

440n Aircraft engines, when imported for use in the equip- 
ment of aircraft: 

1. When of types or sizes not made in Canada Free 

On and after July 1 , 1963 Free 

611a (4) Conductive shoes for use in hospitals Free 

On and after July 1,1963 20 p .c . 

696 (1) Philosophical and scientific apparatus (and ancil- 
lary equipment thereto), utensils, instruments, and 
preparations, including boxes and bottles containing 
the same; maps, charts, photographic reproductions 
and other pictorial illustrations; video tape record- 
ings; stencils and cards; specially designed for the prep- 
aration of library index cards: casts as models; ani- 
mals as research or experimental subjects; living 
plants, seeds, cuttings, buds, scions, tubers, bulbs 
and root-stock; mechanical equipment of a class or 
kind not made in Canada; parts of the foregoing. 
All articles in this item, when for the use and by 
order of any society or institution incorporated or 
established solely for religious, philosophical, edu- 
cational, scientific or literary purposes, or for the 
encouragement of the fine arts, or for the use and 
by order of any public hospital, college, academy, 
school, or seminary of learning in Canada, and not 
for sale or for rental, under such regulations as the 
Minister may prescribe Free Free Free 

2. Resolved, — That any enactment founded upon the foregoing resolution 
shall be deemed to have come into force on the eleventh day of April, 1962, 
and to have applied to all goods mentioned in the said resolution imported or 
taken out of warehouse for consumption on or after that day, and to have 
applied to goods previously imported for which no entry for consumption was 
made before that day. 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



268 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Bell (Carleton), by leave of the House, 
presented the following bills which were read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill C-78, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act. 

Bill C-79, An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act. 

Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act. 

Bill C-81, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Monteith, 
seconded by Mr. Hamilton, — That Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Food and 
Drugs Act, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(2)'] 

(Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Mackasey for Mr. Lessard (Saint-Henri), 
seconded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should immediately remove all tolls on the Champlain 
Bridge in Montreal and henceforth adopt a uniform policy with respect to tolls 
on bridges crossing navigable waters so as to avoid, in any particular area, one 
section of the population being unfairly and arbitrarily dealt with, as is the 
case for the people being served by the Champlain Bridge. — (Notice of Motion 
No. 7). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Monteith, seconded by 
Mr. Hamilton, — That Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act, be 
now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

Eighteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on November 9th, meet the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation to convert it from a mutual to a capital stock company. — Mr. 
Pascoe. 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 12th NOVEMBER 269 

General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada" 
and/or "Compagnie Generale Mortgage Service du Canada", and for other 
purposes. — Mr. Smith {Simcoe North). 

Merit Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, either the 
name "Merit Insurance Company" and/or the name "La Merite, Compagnie 
d'Assurance". — Mr. Macnaughton. 

The Imperial Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation changing its name in French from "Compagnie Cana- 
dienne d'assurance sur la vie I'lmperiale" to "L'Imperiale, compagnie d' Assu- 
rance-Vie". — Mr. Hellyer. 

James Vincent Ryan and seven others, all of the City of St. John's, New- 
foundland, and Patrick J. Tobin of the Town of Bishop's Falls, Newfoundland, 
for an Act to incorporate "The Railway Employees' Welfare Association 
Limited". — Mr. Morris. 

Clarence Lewis Reimer and two others, all of the City of Winnipeg, 
Manitoba, for an Act to incorporate The Good News Broadcasting Association 
of Canada. — Mr. Mandziuk. 

Anthony Thomas Chmiel, of the Town of Burlington, Ontario, and four 
others, for an Act to incorporate The Reliable Life Insurance Company. — 
Mr. McDonald. 

Stephen Boleslav Roman, of the Township of Markham, Ontario, and five 
others, for an Act to incorporate Standard Trust Company. — Mr. Bradley. 



At 10.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 13th NOVEMBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Sixty-one petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 



Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported with an amendment, considered as 
amended, and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-4, An Act to amend 
the Department of National Health and Welfare Act; 

Mr. Monteith, seconded by Mr. Fulton, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 



lAt 5.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing 

Order 15(3)'] 

(Private Bills) 

By unanimous consent, all divorce bills standing for second reading on 
the Order Paper were allowed to stand. 



272 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-6, An Act respecting 
The North American General Insurance Company; 

Mr. Turner, seconded by Mr. Ryan, moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-8, An Act respecting 
The Trustee Board of The Presbyterian Church in Canada; 

Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Granger, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. * Hi } 

Alter debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-18, An Act to amend 
the House of Commons Act (Internal Economy Autonomy); 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Peters for Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. 
Fisher, moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Monteith, seconded by 
Mr. Fulton, — That Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Department of National Health 
and Welfare Act, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted at ten o'clock. 



Returns and Reports Deposited loith the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, (Question No. 15) showing: 1. Are 
any Cabinet Ministers directors of any companies, corporations, etc., and, if so, 
which Ministers, of what companies or corporations are they directors, and at 
what date were any directorships presently held by such Cabinet Ministers 
assumed? 

2. Have any Cabinet Ministers resigned any directorships since being 
sworn of the Privy Council and, if so, which Ministers, on what dates, and 
from what companies or corporations? 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 13th NOVEMBER 273 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, (^Question No. 281) showing: 1. What changes are contemplated in the 
building programme of the federal government in the District of St. John's 
West, in consequence of the government reduction in spending? 

2. What part of this programme will be carried out in St. John's West? 

By Mr. Halpenny,^ — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 5, 
1962, (Question No. 554) showing: 1. What is the pension entitlement of a man 
who has served 20 years or more with the armed forces? 

2. Are there any cases on record where a man has served for 20 years or 
more and has not received a pension and, if so, what are the details of the cases 
involved, and what were the regulations in each case that prevented the pay- 
ment of a pension? 

3. Are there provisions in the Act or in the Regulations governing service 
pensions which allow a pension to be paid to a person who has been discharged 
for inefficiency or misconduct, providing he has served 10 years or more and, 
if so, what are these provisions? 

4. Has the government received any representations on, or is it giving con- 
sideration to, amendments to the Defence Services Pension Continuation Act 
or the regulations involved which would enable a service man to retire from the 
armed services at his own request after 20 years or more service and entitle him 
to a pension and, if so, will such amendments be retroactive? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 5, 
1962, (Question No. 603) showing: 1. What was the total capital cost of the 
Second Narrows Bridge in Vancouver, British Columbia, and what proportion 
of this cost was met by the Federal Treasury? 

2. What formula was used in order to determine the federal share of this 
expenditure? 

Nineteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on November 12th by Mr. Mandziuk, 
meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Lois Ferguson Budd, wife of Hilsborne Budd of Roxboro, Quebec. 

Jeannette Tremblay Carignan, wife of Henri Carignan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rolland Commoy of Laval-des-Rapides, Quebec, husband of Aline Celine 
Milot Commoy. 

Marie-Louise Bourassa Guay, wife of Jean-Marie Guay of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Nora Bridget Whelan Lahey, wife of John Joseph Lahey of the Province of 
Newfoundland. 

Stella Proctor Leblanc, wife of Bernard Leblanc of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mona Mauron Pozza, wife of Corrado Pozza of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Shaw Fisher Wolfe Reid, wife of Kenneth Allan Reid of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Aline Helene Desjardins Smith, wife of Desmond Edward Smith of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Sylvia Hopkins Socaransky, wife of Samuel Socaransky of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

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274 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fourteenth Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Lois Ferguson Budd, wife of Hilsborne Budd of Roxboro, Quebec. 

Jeannette Tremblay Carignan, wife of Henri Carignan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rolland Commoy of Laval-des-Rapides, Quebec, husband of Aline Celine 
Milot Commoy. 

Marie-Louise Bourassa Guay, wife of Jean-Marie Guay of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Nora Bridget Whelan Lahey, wife of John Joseph Lahey of the Province 
of Newfoundland. 

Stella Proctor Leblanc, wife of Bernard Leblanc of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mona Mauron Pozza, wife of Corrado Pozza of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Shaw Fisher Wolfe Reid, wife of Kenneth Allan Reid of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Aline Helene Desjardins Smith, wife of Desmond Edward Smith of Mon- 
treal, Quebec. 

Sylvia Hopkins Socaransky, wife of Samuel Socaransky of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



At 10.04 o'clock p.m., Mr, Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 14th NOVEMBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House is 
desired: 

Bill S-7, An Act to incorporate The Christian Brothers of Ireland in 
Canada. — Mr. Morris. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Mr. Howe, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Tele- 
graph Lines, presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as 
follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-4, An Act respecting Canadian 
Pacific Railway Company, and has agreed to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to this Bill 
{Issue No. I) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 2 to the Journals) 



Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Submission by Graham Towers to the Royal Commission on Banking 
and Finance as Brief No. 99, dated October 2, 1962. 
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276 ,,:. HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 556, by Mr. Morris, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What steps is the Canadian National Railway Company taking to carry 
out its statutory obligation to direct, provide and procure that all freight des- 
tined for export by sea that is consigned within Canada for carriage to the 
Company either at point of origin or between that and the sea shall, unless it 
has been by its shippers specifically routed otherwise, be exported through 
Canadian seaports? 

*Question No. 624, by Mr. Rinfretj — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What universities and secondary schools in the Province of Quebec 
have been visited by the officials of the Civil Service Commission with a view 
to promoting recruitment of candidates for Civil Service examinations? 

2. What university publications and other periodicals of the Province of 
Quebec carry advertisements of the various positions opened to graduates of 
institutions of learning? 

3. What universities in the Province of Quebec and faculties within the 
said universities receive, for their graduates, brochures, notices, circulars, 
application forms, and other information concerning the various positions 
likely to attract students? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 648, by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — Order of the House for a 
Return showing: In the case of war veterans having overseas service, has the 
government received representations to waive the 25-year residence clause 
for old age pensioners who wish to remain outside Canada for more than six 
months and, if so, from whom have representations been received, and what 
reply was made? 

Question No. 667, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Has the federal government bought or sold any property in the City of 
Peterborough since January 1, 1961, and, if so, who were the lawyers or sellers, 
and what was the price? 

Question No. 668, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: How many federal employees are at present employed in the Federal 
Building in Peterborough, and how many were employed in 1961, 1960, 1959? 

* Question No. 671, by Mr. Morris, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: How many prevailing rates employees in Halifax-Dartmouth and area are 
affected by the "freeze" on wages adjustments announced November 6? 

*Question No. 706, by Mr. Lamy, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Does the government intend to proceed this year with the construction 
of a post office for the parish of St-Paul-de-Grand'Mere? 

2. Will any winter works be undertaken in the constituency of St. Maurice- 
Lafleche this year? 

Question No. 740, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. (a) What was the policy of the federal government from 1950 to 1955 
with regard to the transferring of buildings formerly used by the federal gov- 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 14th NOVEMBER 277 

ernment (former post office buildings and others) to municipal bodies (b) were 
they turned over gratis or sold (c) if they were sold, on what basis was the 
price determined? 

2. Has there been any change in the above-noted policy since 1955, and, if 
so, (a) when were changes made therein (b) what changes were made? 

3. What is the present policy regarding such buildings when municipal 
bodies are interested in obtaining them? 



On motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Lewis, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House copies of all correspondence or any documents 
exchanged between the Minister of Public Works and any other person or 
persons regarding the advisability of undertaking the construction of a canal 
along the ancient river bed of the Eraser to connect the Pitt River with 
Burrard Inlet. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 40). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) '\ 

(Notices of Motions) 
By unanimous consent, item No. 9 was allowed to stand. 

Mr. Beaule, seconded by Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint- Jean), moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should consider the expediency 
of introducing legislation in this House that the Federal Government should 
return to the provincial treasuries all corporation taxes collected from public 
utilities within the provinces. — (Notice of Motion No. 10). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Consolidated 
Index and Table of Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada 
Gazette, Part II, for the period January 1, 1955, to September 30, 1962. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Green, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Letter, dated 
July 5, 1962, to the Secretary, Canadian Section, International Joint Com- 
mission, concerning the joint request of the Governments of Canada and the 
United States of America to the International Joint Commission to examine 



278 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

into and report on the feasibility and economic advantages of improving or 
developing a waterway on the St. Lawrence River in Canada through Lake 
Champlain to the Hudson River at Albany in the U.S.A. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Classification 
of Loans and Deposit Liabilities of the Chartered Banks of Canada as at 
September 30, 1962, pursuant to section 119(1) of the Bank Act, chapter 48, 
Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

Twentieth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition for an 
Act to annul the marriage of the following, presented on November 13th by 
Mr. Mandziuk, meets the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Marie Blanche Yvonne Therese Lemay Daniel, wife of Arthur Daniel of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Twenty-first Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on November 13th by Mr. Mandziuk, 
meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Joseph Arthur Marcel Allard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Irma Carmen Vandal Allard. 

Marion Daphune Cormier Armour, wife of Norman Ernest Armour of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Norman Barmash of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Laura Berbrier Barmash. 

Iva Annett Baumgartner, wife of Peter Baumgartner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Sharp Birch, wife of Christopher Birch of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Liliana Sarda Boros, wife of Thomas Boros of Town of Mount Royal, 
Quebec. 

James Campbell of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Doris Lucy Gaylor 
Campbell. 

Agnes Claire Larocque Carter, wife of Kenneth Gordon Polisheuck Carter 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rollande Audet Charbonneau, wife of Cajetan Charbonneau of Ville St. 
Michel, Quebec. 

Margaret Jane O'Brien Dagenais, wife of Claude Theodore Dagenais of 
Outremont, Quebec. 

Antonia Sanscartier Cloutier, wife of Georges Cloutier of Ville Lemoyne, 
Quebec. 

Monique Garneau Coutu, wife of Jean Coutu of Montreal, Quebec. 

Janine Madeleine Grumbach Dorland, wife of Albert Arthur Dorland of 
St. Hilaire, Quebec, 

Marie Marguerite Nicole Bisaillon Fraser, wife of Robert Eraser of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Suzanne Mary Goodger Garrett, wife of Elton Adrian Garrett of Pointe- 
Claire, Quebec. 

Joseph-Leandre Guitard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie-Lina 
Barry Guitard. 

Marie Bernadette Guitar (Guitard), wife of Laurent Guitar (Guitard) of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



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Eva Jean Fletcher Haig, wife of Robert Murray Haig of Montreal, Quebec. 

Roma Harnois of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Cecile Cantin Harnois. 

Mary Hilda Hyslop Hermita, wife of Adolfo Fernandez Hermita of Mont- 
treal, Quebec. 

Marguerite Lacoste Hof, wife of Friedhelm Hof of Montreal, Quebec. 

Hilda Louise Magnusson Howard, wife of George Marshall Howard of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Kardaras, wife of Anastasios Demitriou (Tom) Kardaras of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Paula Elaine Segal Kurland, wife of Leonard Kurland of Cote St. Luc, 
Quebec. 

Linda Ruth Kirsch Lach, wife of Barry Lach of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Kolokithia Lambrinoudis, wife of loannou Lambrinoudis of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Iris Lawson McFarlane Land, wife of Frederick Sidney Land of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Blanche Gagnon Mallette, wife of Roger Mallette of Montreal, Quebec. 

Maureen Ann O'Shaughnessy Maltby, wife of John Allan Maltby of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Louisa Greig McAleer, wife of John James McAleer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Evelyn Margaret Henderson McConnell, wife of John Griffith McConnell 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Guss Moss, wife of Monty Moss of Cote St. Luc, Quebec. 

Bernice Ruth Serlin Mroz, wife of Harry William Mroz of Montreal, Quebec. 

Constance Marion Hulburd Musgrove, wife of Stuart Swinyer Musgrove 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Gilberte Marcelle Lapointe Perron, wife of Joseph Roger Tancrede 
Lionel Perron of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia James Lang O'Connor, wife of Wallace Dean O'Connor of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Lionel Mortimer Pasen of Cote St. Luc, Quebec, husband of Rosalie Margel 
Pasen. 

Dorothy Minchinton Frederick, wife of Francis George Frederick (also 
known as Frank Phillips) of Montreal, Quebec. 

Germaine Sauriol Legault, wife of Paul-Emile Legault of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Elaine Lowe Pinatel, wife of Jean Andre Pinatel, junior, of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jacqueline Henriette Demelin Pujol, wife of Vincent Joseph Pujol of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Jean Guy O'Brien of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Therese Grandmaison 
O'Brien. 

Lucille M. Vigneault Ratel, wife of Jean Paul Ratel of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gisele Plouffe Rivard, wife of Paul Rivard of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph G. Rolland Robert of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Blanche 
Levesque Robert. 

Yvon Robert of St. Elzear, Quebec, husband of Rita Lachance Robert. 

David Filmore Sadler of the Province of Quebec, husband of Nancy Agnes 
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Jean Lionel Saumur of Aylmer, Quebec, husband of Marguerite Gaetane 
Grenier Saumur. 

Emmy Luise Booking Scott, wife of William Clifford Munroe Scott of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Esther (Estelle) Cohen Sherman, wife of Issie (Irving) Sherman of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Evelyn Shirley Borenstein Silverman, wife of Theodore Silverman of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Barbara Ann Bell Sobrian, wife of Merlyn Arnold Sobrian of Shawinigan 
Falls, Quebec. 

Joan Pauline Day Steeves, wife of Otto Tremaine Steeves of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

Elphege St. Germain of City of Jacques- Cartier, Quebec, husband of Isa- 
belle Racicot St. Germain. 

Carmen Gravel Szabo, wife of Bela Szabo of Montreal, Quebec. 

Henri Verrier of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Andrea Burns Verrier. 

Marie Celine Therese Courteau Vezina, wife of Jean-Louis Vezina of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Alice Candide Sullivan Ward, wife of David Ward of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Anne Walford Wood, wife of Douglas Hastings Wood of St. 
Hubert, Quebec. 

Roger Laframboise of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Jeannine Pelle- 
tier Laframboise. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — ^Fifteenth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec for an Act to merge and 
amalgamate certain existing incorporated Boards for the purpose of continuing 
as one corporate entity under the name of "Baptist Convention of Ontario and 
Quebec." 

Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation to convert it from a mutual to a capital stock company. 

The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Central Canada Synod of the 
Lutheran Church in America", and for other purposes. 

General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada" 
and/or "Compagnie Generale Mortgage Service du Canada", and for other 
purposes. 

Merit Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, either the 
name "Merit Insurance Company" and/or the name "La Merite, Compagnie 
d'Assurance". 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

The Order being read for the Second Reading of Bill C-78, An Act to 
amend the Income Tax Act; 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. MacLean (Queens), moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (2) '\ 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-4, An Act respecting Canadian Pacific Railway Company, was con- 
sidered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the 
third time and passed. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-1, An Act for the 
relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. MacEwan, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read the second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 

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Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Bruce Reid Campbell, was read the 
second time, on division, and referred to the Standing Committee on Miscel- 
laneous Private Bills {together with the evidence taken and the papers produced 
before the Senate Standing Covfimittee on Divorce). 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-3, An Act for the 
relief of WilHam Metcalfe Watt; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now- 
read the second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-3 06, An Act for the relief of Georgiana Brasseur. 

Bill SD-307, An Act for the relief of Jean Ilene Buckley. 

Bill SD-308, An Act for the relief of Cecile Caille. 

Bill SD-309, An Act for the relief of Therese Beaudoin. 

Bill SD-3 10, An Act for the relief of Kenneth James Graham Tait. 

Bill SD-311, An Act for the relief of Gwendolyn Grace Lanctot. 

Bill SD-3 12, An Act for the relief of Marie Jacqueline Dusablon. 

Bill SD-313, An Act for the relief of Jean Eileen Leath. 

Bill SD-3 14, An Act for the relief of Helen Oulton. 

Bill SD-3 15, An Act for the relief of Lucien DeCoeur. 

Bill SD-3 16, An Act for the relief of Donald Beakes. 

Bill SD-317, An Act for the relief of John Matthew Hardman Pickford. 

Bill SD-318, An Act for the relief of Lloyd Carlton Willard. 

Bill SD-319, An Act for the relief of Joseph PaulAlderic Belisle. 

Bill SD-320, An Act for the relief of Frances Sheila Madden. 

Bill SD-321, An Act for the relief of Aurea Pothier. 

Bill SD-322, An Act for the relief of Stella Eileen Menahem. 

Bill SD-323, An Act for the relief of Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier. 

Bill SD-324, An Act for the relief of Collin Mills Campbell. 

Bill SD-325, An Act for the relief of Louisa Emily Elizabeth Porter. 

Bill SD-326, An Act for the relief of Evelyne Millette. 

Bill SD-327, An Act for the relief of Gabriel Fortin. 

Bill SD-328, An Act for the relief of Leo Rene Maranda. 

Bill SD-329, An Act for the relief of Christina Aube. 

Bill SD-330, An Act for the relief of Teresa Lesiuk. 

Bill SD-331, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Elfstrom. 

Bill SD-332, An Act for the relief of Claude Gerard Montpetit. 

Bill SD-333, An Act for the relief of Ellen Smolar. 

Bill SD-334, An Act for the relief of Marie Antoinette Germaine Mouton. 

Bill SD-335, An Act for the relief of Francis John Nobbs. 

Bill SD-3 3 6, An Act for the relief of Marie Henriette Antoinette Marguerite 
Bloodworth Pringle. 



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Bill SD-337, An Act for the relief of Molly Krakower. 
Bill SD-338, An Act for the relief of Anita Marie Virginie Leroux. 
Bill SD-339, An Act for the relief ©f Betty Naimovitch, otherwise known as 
Betty Naimo. 

Bill SD-340, An Act for the relief of Barbara Joan Sonia Lowther. 

Bill SD-341, An Act for the rehef of Judith Joy Spector. 

Bill SD-342, An Act for the relief of Claude Lefebvre. 

Bill SD-343, An Act for the relief of Margaret Kathleen Lister. 

Bill SD-344, An Act for the relief of Arthur Bruce Hann. 

Bill SD-345, An Act for the relief of Leonard Greenfield. 

Bill SD-346, An Act for the relief of Anita Klaiman. 

The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Mandziuk, were deemed to 
have been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by 
Mr. MacLean (Queens), — That Bill C-78, An Act to amend the Income Tax 
Act, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole and, progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summaries 
of Orders in Council passed during the months of September and October, 1962. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Sixteenth Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Paul Romain Bernard Babeu of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Jean- 
nette L'ltalien, dit St. Laurent Babeu. 

Kathleen Edna Hayden Belchem, wife of Ronald William Belchem of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Roland Boisvert of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eileen Williams Boisvert. 

Roberta Sealey Burns, wife of Basil Burns of Verdun, Quebec. 

Olive Annie Kirby Coulombe, wife of Joseph Louis Gerard Coulombe of 
Bagotville, Quebec. 

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Marcheta Lino Griffith Edwards, wife of Gerald Willoughby Edwards of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Rose Marie Luci Gates, wife of John Earl Gates of Montreal, Quebec. 

June Eleanor Elvidge Holgate, wife of Donald Harold Holgate of Green- 
field Park, Quebec. 

Philippe Lebeau of Ville LaSalle, Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Pilon 
Lebeau. 

Gilbert Long of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Helene Hebert Long. 

Robert Fernand Marcoux of Lachine, Quebec, husband of June Patricia 
Lyon Marcoux. 

Vickie Weinberg Marks, wife of Barry Allan Marks of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Alfred Michel Andre Pierre Mercier of Chateauguay Basin, Quebec, 
husband of Maureen Lillian Conlin Mercier. 

Allan Barry Phillips of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Irene Marie Flora 
Falardeau Phillips. 

Vivian Geoffrey Power of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Anna Mary 
Helen Kish Power. 

Jacqueline Henriette Demelin Pujol, wife of Vincent Joseph Pujol of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Gordon Richard Alexander Ramsden of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Margaret Eilleen Woodall Ramsden. 

David Filmore Sadler of the Province of Quebec, husband of Nancy Agnes 
Sanborn Sadler. 

Lionel Samuel Tiger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marquita Margue- 
rite Crevier Tiger. 

Joan Margaret Gooch Wise, wife of Nicholas Edmund Michael Wise of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Bernice Marion Thayer Wood, wife of Ross Douglas Wood of Rosemere, 
Quebec. 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Exchange of Correspondence with certain Provinces during the period 
February 5 to September 19, 1962, concerning the proposed Amendment to 
Section 94A of the British North America Act in connection with contributory 
Old Age Pensions. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said correspondence be 
printed as an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Benidickson and English be substituted for those of 
Messrs. Granger and Belzile on the Sessional Committee on Railways, Air 
Lines and Shipping. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: Before calling the Orders of the Day, I should like to mention 
a point raised by the Honourable Member for Bonavista-Twillingate (Mr. 
Pickersgill) on November 1 concerning the matter of replying to a question 
which had been made an Order for Return. At that time, I indicated I would 
take the matter under advisement and I indicated also that if anyone, particu- 
larly the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles), 
wished to speak to this matter I would hear him. I am prepared to make my 
ruling, but, as I indicated, if anyone wishes to speak to the point of order that 
was raised — as a matter of fact, it was raised as a point of privilege — I am 
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And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Speaker: I have listened to the observations of honourable gentlemen 
in this regard. First of all, I would preface my remarks by indicating that 
Standing Order 39(4) does apply. I would particularly underline a point which 
I think has been missed both by the Honourable Member for Bonavista- 
Twillingate and the Honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre. Standing 
Order 39(4) says: "If a question is of such a nature that, in the opinion of the 
Minister who is to furnish the reply, such reply should be in the form of a 
return, ..." 

This is the point which I think honourable Members have missed, that it shall 
be in the form of a return. 

**. . .and the Minister states that he has no objection to laying such return upon 
the Table of the House, his statement shall, unless otherwise ordered by the 
House,..." 

This refers to the point made by the Honourable Member for Bonavista- 
Twillingate. 

"... be deemed an Order of the House to that effect ..." 
The "effect" is that it shall be made in the form of a return. 
"... and the same shall be entered in the Votes and Proceedings as such." 
In other words, the Order of the House is that the Minister's answer shall be 
in the form of a return. It is not the order that the question shall be answered 
as it appears; it is merely to supply the information in the form of a return. 
We know that when a motion is before the House for the production of papers 
in the form of a return, there is nothing which indicates the precise nature of 
what shall be included. In the same way, when a Minister, replying to a written 
DT a starred question, says: "Order for Return tabled herewith", there is 
jiothing there which says that every portion of that question shall have been 
ansv/ered. I fully appreciate that the Honourable Member has said that this is 
a short method of putting a motion and dealing with it. 

I would refer honourable Members to Bourinot, page 244 of his fourth 
edition, under the title "Presentation of Papers", where he states: "Questions 
put by Members are sometimes made equivalent to a motion for papers under 
rule 37." 
That is now Standing Order 39. 

Now we get to the matter of whether an answer should be given to 
every portion of a question. I face immediately the problem of who is to judge 
the sufficiency of the answer. It is not open to honourable Members to do so. 
It is not open to the Chair to determine whether such an answer is sufficient. 
And regardless of what might have been the particular parts of the question, 
the answer could be made the most capricious of answers one could imagine. 
To use the example of "If not, why not?", the Minister could make the most 
capricious reply vv^hich I think could be devised and simply say "Because", and 
who would be able to judge? Therefore, I think we are belabouring the point 
here. I can see nothing further or different in this particular instance from an 
Order for Return tabled herewith, or any other written question answered by 
a Minister. As I indicated the other day, I felt there had been a suggestion 
of setting up a double standard in dealing with questions, and that I could not 
accept because to me there is no one who can judge the sufficiency of an 
answer. 

In so far as whether there has been a defiance or an improper reply, I 
think the Honourable Member for Bonavista-Twillingate and others have 
indicated, as has been done by my predecessors, that a grossly or obviously 
improper answer might found a grievance. There are times when grievances 
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discussion could be aired. I do not think this is a matter of privilege; I think 
it is a matter of grievance. In my estimation there is no such thing as an order 
that a paragraph of a question shall be answered seriatim; the order is in the 
form of a return. That would be my ruling on that point. 

In so far as the matter of *'If not, why not?" and other such questions are 
concerned, I would suggest that we defer that to some other day next week 
because honourable Members may wish to prepare for it. I am prepared to 
raise the matter and to deal with it, because I noticed on the Order Paper 
there are presently two or three questions which I think, with all due respect, 
are not proper questions as they raise certain points of order. Therefore, I 
would prefer to have honourable Members prepare themselves so that we can 
have a discussion. 



Bill C-78, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



[Private Mem.hers' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (3)] 

{Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-19, An Act respect- 
ing the Canada Court of Indian Claims; 

Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Barnett, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

Whereupon, the honourable Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of 
Citizenship and Immigration (Mr. McGee) raised a point of order to the effect 
that it contained money provisions and, therefore, it was not in order for a 
Private Member to proceed with the bill; 

Mr. Speaker deferred consideration of the said question of order until the 
bill comes up for further consideration. 

And debate arising on the said proposed motion of Mr. Howard, seconded 
by Mr. Barnett, — That the said bill be now read a second time; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Carter, Smallwood, and Smith (Calgary South) be 
substituted for those of Messrs. Mitchell, Muir (Lisgar), and Baldwin on the 
Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
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day, November 14, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 22, 1962, (Question No. 192) showing: 
1. Did talks take place this year between officials of Canada, the United 
States, and British Columbia, or between officials of any of them, regarding the 
sale to the United States of the downstream benefits which Canada would 
acquire under the Columbia River Treaty and, if so, did these talks cover the 
question of what price or prices would be paid for said downstream benefits? 

2. Has the government reached agreement with the Province of British 
Columbia as regards the sale, on a long-term basis, of downstream benefits 
under the Columbia River Treaty, to the United States? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 12, 
1962, {*Question No. 672) showing: What were the rates of wages paid to each 
prevailing rates trade group at H.M.C. Dockyard, Halifax, and H.M.C. Dock- 
yard, Esquimau, on November 6, 1962? 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Seventeenth Report, 
pursuant to Standing Order 100, as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
he has considered the following divorce bills: 

Bill SD-28, An Act for the relief of Marie Claire RoUande Dubois. 
Bill SD-36, An Act for the relief of Hale Calvin Reid. 
Bill SD-163, An Act for the relief of Donald Edgar Hicks. 

While the requirements of Standing Order 96 have been complied with, 
your Examiner finds that the said divorce bills are not based on a petition 
addressed and presented to the House of Commons during the present Session 
of Parliament. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House is 
desired: 

Bill S-11, An Act respecting The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of 
Canada. — Mr. Mandziuk. 

Bill S-12, An Act to incorporate Allstate Life Insurance Company of 
Canada. — Mr. Hanhidge. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-347, An Act for the relief of Fany Rubenstein. 

Bill SD-348, An Act for the relief of Marylin Jean Alie. 

Bill SD-349, An Act for the relief of Gertraud Holzer. 

Bill SD-350, An Act for the relief of Karl Heinz Schulte. 

Bill SD-351, An Act for the relief of Shirley Millar Neal. 

Bill SD-352, An Act for the relief of Wilma Karls. 

Bill SD-353, An Act for the relief of Philip Dalgleish. 

Bill SD-354, An Act for the relief of Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette 
Champagne. 

Bill SD-355, An Act for the relief of George Cecil Horton. 



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11 SD-356, An Act for the relief of Anne Marion Prentice. 

11 SD-357, An Act for the relief of Ezreh Harry Herscovitch. 

11 SD-358, An Act for the relief of Ella Jane Lyon. 

11 SD-359, An Act for the relief of Olga Rapoport. 

11 SD-360, An Act for the relief of Susan Gabor. 

11 SD-361, An Act for the relief of Minnie Lichtenstein. 

11 SD-362, An Act for the relief of Amira Wilson. 

11 SD-363, An Act for the relief of Sybil Lillian Lupovich. 

11 SD-364, An Act for the relief of John Joseph Laflamme. 

11 SD-365, An Act for the relief of Doris Elinor Roberts. 

11 SD-366, An Act for the relief of David Filmore Sadler. 

11 SD-367, An Act for the relief of Patricia Hilton. 

11 SD-368, An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Marguerite AUaway. 

11 SD-369, An Act for the relief of Irene Elizabeth Malloch. 

11 SD-370, An Act for the relief of Mihaly Szakacs. 

11 SD-371, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Alice Usher. 

11 SD-372, An Act for the relief of John Elijah Marshalluk. 

11 SD-373, An Act for the relief of Rhoda Lipschutz. 

11 SD-374, An Act for the relief of Andre Durocher. 

11 SD-375, An Act for the relief of Catherine Harper. 



The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Mandziuk, were deemed to 
have been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House 
the evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 



Mr. Rowe, from the Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Ship- 
ping, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as 
follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That its quorum be set at 10 Members; 

2. That it be empowered to sit while the House is sitting; 

3. That it be authorized to print, from day to day, 800 copies in English 
and 250 copies in French of its Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, and that 
Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Rowe, seconded by Mr. Cardiff, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Simpson, Legare, and Martin (Essex East) be substi- 
tuted for those of Messrs. Muir (Lisgar), Chevrier, and Laing on the Standing 
Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



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On motion of Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Lewis be substituted for that of Mr. Prittie on the Ses- 
sional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping. 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mrs. Fairclough, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish a National Eco- 
nomic Development Board and to define the duties thereof, to provide for the 
appointment of the chairman and other members of the Board and for the 
payment of the chairman's remuneration and of certain expenses of the members 
thereof, to provide further that the Board may engage the services of such 
advisers and staff as may be necessary to enable it to carry out its duties and 
to provide further for other related and incidental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, moved, — 
That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to 
consider the following proposed resolution which has been recommended to 
the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish an Atlantic Develop- 
ment Board and to define the duties thereof, to provide for the appointment of 
the chairman and other members of the Board and for the payment of certain 
expenses of the members thereof, to provide for the appointment of an executive 
director of the Board and for the payment of his remuneration, to provide 
further that the Board may engage the services of such advisers and staff as 
may be necessary to enable it to carry out its duties and to provide further for 
other related and incidental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Hees, seconded by Mr. Balcer, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the National Pro- 
ductivity Council Act, to provide for the appointment of three additional 
members thereof and for the payment of certain expenses of such members, 
to provide further for the payment of all expenses of the Council out of moneys 
appropriated by Parliament for the purpose and to provide further for other 
related and incidental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provisions 
of Standing Order 39(4): 

^Question No. 577, by Mr. Ryan, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What flights did the Department of Transport DCS CF-DTB make 
between September 26 and October 10, 1962, and what was the purpose of each 
flight? 



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2. Who were the passengers for each flight? 

Mr. McBain, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 653, by Mr. Honey, — Order of the House for a Return showing: 
1. What amounts of tobacco, in volume and value, have been exported from 
Canada in the years 1951 to 1962 inclusive, and in the year 1962 to date? 

2. To which countries was this tobacco exported in these years, in terms 
of volume and value for each country? 

3. What plans, if any, does the government have for increasing the foreign 
sales of Canadian tobacco? 

Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 692, by Mr. Maclnnis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What is the total amount paid to the Sydney and Louisburg Railway 
Company by the federal government under the provisions of the Maritime 
Freight Rates Act from 1927 until 1961? 

2. What is the total amount paid to the Cumberland Railway and Coal 
Company by the federal government under the provisions of the Maritime 
Freight Rates Act from 1927 to 1961? 

3. What is the total amount of rail and freight subsidies paid to the Sydney 
and Louisburg Railway Company from 1935 until 1961? 

4. What is the total amount of the railway and freight subsidies paid to 
the Cumberland Railway and Coal Company from 1935 until 1961? 

5. What is the present percentage rate of rebate under the provisions of 
the Maritime Freight Rates Act? 

6. What was the highest rate of rebate since the inception of the Act? 

7. Was the Sydney and Louisburg Railway Company on record as having 
a contributory retirement pension plan in effect for its employees'' 

8. Is the Cumberland Railway and Coal Company on record as having a 
contributory retirement pension plan in effect for its employees? 

9. Does the Cumberland Railway Company receive any other financial 
assistance from the federal government in addition to freight rebates and rail 
subventions and, if so, in what form and in what amounts? 



Question No. 741, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. (a) What are the sick leave provisions for classified civil servants (b) 
how many days per year may a classified civil servant be absent from work due 
to illness or injury without loss of pay (c) what is the provision with respect 
to each first day of absence due to illness or injury in the case of a classified 
civil servant? 



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2. (a) What are the sick leave provisions for prevailing rate employees in 
the public service? (b) how many days per year may a prevailing rate employee 
be absent from work due to illness or injury without loss of pay? (c) what is 
the provision with respect to each first day of absence due to illness or injury 
in the case of a prevailing rate employee? 

3. What steps have been taken to give to prevailing rate employees the 
same sick leave provisions granted to classified civil servants, and, if such 
steps have not been taken, will the matter receive consideration? 



*Question No. 793, by Mr. MacEachen, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Has the government taken a decision with regard to the servicing of 
dependants of Armed Services personnel of the Atlantic Provinces by "Maritime 
Medical Care" and, if so, what is the government's policy in this regard? 

2. Have representations been received from "Maritime Medical Care" 
requesting the status presently enjoyed by the government-sponsored Group 
Medical Insurance Plan? 

3. Has "Maritime Medical Care" (a) access to bases, depots and ships for 
new enrolment purposes (b) pay assignment privileges for "Maritime Medical 
Care" premiums for new members (c) government participation in premium 
costs? 

4. Did the government give consideration to adopting a policy applicable 
to all plans in which government personnel wish to enrol and, if so, what is the 
government's policy in this regard? 



Bill C-79, An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act, was read the second time, 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, and 
ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, was read the second time, 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, and 
ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-81, An Act to amend 
the Customs Tariff; 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mrs. Fairclough, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time; 

And debate arising thereon; 



lAt 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Notices of Motions) 
By unanimous consent, item No. 9 was allowed to stand. 



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Item No. 11 having been called for the first time was allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 

Mr. Maclnnis, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should give consideration to the concrete imple- 
mentation of a long-range, positive and comprehensive program of economic 
development for the Atlantic Provinces of Canada, and to provide, in particular, 
for the following short-range and long-term measures: 

( 1 ) To assure that existing employment in the basic iron, coal and steel in- 
dustry be fully protected until alternative employment opportunities 
can be developed in the region; 

(2) To launch a major program of public capital construction in co-opera- 
tion with the provincial governments; and, 

(3) To establish a Department of Atlantic Development, responsible for the 
overall co-ordination of efforts by all federal departments and agencies 
in the formulation of positive, long-range and comprehensive measures 
designed to promote the economic rehabilitation of the Atlantic region, 
and for the administering of a large-scale development fund for financ- 
ing the creation of essential industrial capital. — {Notice of Motion 

No. 12). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

On motion of Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Bell (Saint John- Albert), it 
was ordered, — That the names of Messrs. Grills and Cooper be substituted for 
those of Messrs. Rowe and Nasserden on the Standing Committee on Banking 
and Commerce. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by 
Mrs. Fairclough, — That Bill C-81, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff, be now 
read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported without amendment, and ordered for a third 
reading at the next sitting the House. 

The Order being read for resuming debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Monteith, seconded by Mr. Fulton, — That Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Depart- 
ment of National Health and Welfare Act, be now read a second time; 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported without amendment, and ordered for a third read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House. 

Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was again considered in 
Committee of the Whole, and further progress having been made and reported, 
the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, {^Question No. 90) showing: 1. 
How many persons who were candidates in the federal election of June 18th, 
1962, and were defeated, have since that date been appointed by the federal 
government to positions to which emoluments are attached? 

2. What are the names of all such persons? 

3. What are their positions, and what are their emoluments? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, ("^Question No. 267) showing: Since January 1, 1957, has Interior Con- 
tracting Co. Ltd., of Penticton, B.C., received any money for any work done for 
the federal government and, if so, how much money by dates of payment and 
purpose? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 22, 
1962, {Question No. 352) showing: With respect to the answer given to 
Question 31 on October 17 and the 573 people of Chinese origin referred to 
therein who were granted certificates of citizenship between January 1 and 
June 30, 1962, and to the period of time which elapses between the exam for 
citizenship before a Judge and the issuance of the said certificate, what period 
of that time lapsed with respect to each of the said people of Chinese origin 
expressed by groups in units of weeks and/or years, as the case may be? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 
1962, (Question No. 498) showing: 1. In the County of Chapleau, what are the 
projects which the federal government has undertaken jointly with the Quebec 
provincial government during the years 1960-61 and 1961-62? 

2. What was the amount of the federal contribution to each of these 
projects? 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

One petition for a Private Bill was presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 



Mr. Aiken, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, pre- 
sented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following Bills and has agreed to 
report them without amendment: 

Bill S-5, An Act respecting The Eastern Trust Company. 

Bill S-6, An Act respecting The North American General Insurance Com- 
pany. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. McDonald (Hamilton South) be substituted for that of 
Mr. Smallwood on the Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping. 



Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-82, An Act authorizing the Senate of Canada to Dissolve or Annul Mar- 
riages, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Bill C-79, An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act, was read the third time and 
passed. 



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The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-80, An Act to amend 
the Excise Tax Act; 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mrs. Fairclough, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-81, An Act to amend 
the Customs Tariff; 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be struck out and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"this Bill be not read a third time until surcharges approved by 
Order in Council which alter rates set out in this Bill and the Act which 
this Bill amends have been presented to the House for consideration." 

Whereupon, the Honourable the Minister of Finance, (Mr. Nowlan) raised 
a point of order to the effect that the amendment was irrelevant on the grounds 
that the surcharges referred to did not form part of the bill. 

And debate arising on the point of order; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: In a more limited way an amendment may be advanced at 
third reading which could have been advanced at second reading. On the ques- 
tion of a reasoned amendment, I would put it to honourable Members that 
the fact that an amendment is a reasoned amendment does not give it, shall we 
say, a free ticket. Therefore, even though it may be a reasoned amendment, it 
may lose out on other grounds. I think that disposes entirely of the arguments 
with regard to whether or not this is a reasoned amendment. Even if it is, that 
does not necessarily let it in. 

In considering the amendment as put before me, I would refer first of all 
to citation 418 in Beauchesne (4th Edition) where we see that the second sen- 
tence reads as follows: "All amendments which may be moved on a second 
reading of a bill may be moved on the third reading with the restriction that 
they cannot deal with any matter which is not contained in the bill." 

Here the question is whether there is any distinction between surcharges 
and any matters found within the bill. In the bill there are amendments to 
rates. There are no references to surcharges whatsoever; and, if I need any 
buttressing on the question of what can be referred to, I would refer honour- 
able Members to page 171 of Beauchesne (4th Edition), citation 203, para- 
graph (3), which is in these words: "An amendment setting forth a proposi- 
tion dealing with a matter which is foreign to the proposition involved in the 
main motion is not relevant and cannot be moved." 

I thank all honourable Members for what they have said, but with the 
greatest respect I am of the opinion that surcharges are not rates within the 



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meaning of the Customs Tariff Act. Surcharges are something ancillary and 
not generally applied. They are removable by order. They are of an entirely 
different category and, therefore, they are not a matter referred to within the 
bill. There is a clear distinction in my mind between surcharges and the cus- 
toms rates set out in the bill under consideration as well as in the Customs 
Tariff Act. In addition, I think the amendment would be out of order on a second 
basis in that in effect it is an expanded negative and so is contrary to the sense 
of the main motion. Therefore, I cannot accept the amendment. 



And debate continuing on the main motion, — That Bill C-81, An Act to 
amend the Customs Tariff, be now read a third time and do pass; 

Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Herridge, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That this Bill be not now read a third time but that it be referred to the Stand- 
ing Committee on Banking and Commerce for consideration and report. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Stand- 

ing Order 15(3)'] 

(Private Bills) 

By unanimous consent. Order No. 303 was given precedence. 

Whereupon, the Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-7, An Act 
to incorporate The Christian Brothers of Ireland in Canada; 

Mr. Morris, seconded by Mr. McPhillips, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read a second time and referred to the Stand- 
ing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-4, An Act for the 
relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-5, An Act for the 
relief of Marion Ruth Catherine Slattery; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 



300 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-6, An Act for the 
relief of Sonja Bagry; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-7, An Act for the 
relief of Lena Quelle; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate having been resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan for 
the third reading of Bill C-81, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff, and on the 
proposed motion of Mr. Douglas in amendment thereto; 

The said debate was, on motion of Mr. Nowlan, adjourned. 



Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was again considered in 
Committee of the Whole, reported with amendments, considered as amended, 
and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The adjourned debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, 
seconded by Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), — That Bill C-81, An Act to amend the 
Customs Tariff, be now read a third time and do pass. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Herridge, 
in amendment thereto, — That this Bill be not now read a third time but that 
it be referred to the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce for con- 
sideration and report. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted at ten o'clock. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 20th NOVEMBER 301 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — List of Out- 
standing Returns as at November 19, 1962, to Addresses and Orders of the 
House issued prior to November 1, 1962. 

By Mr. Hamilton, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report, dated 
May 16, 1962, to the Minister of Agriculture of the Commission (Mr. E. J. 
Alton, Chairman) appointed under Order in Council P.C. 1961-1710) dated 
November 23, 1961, to inquire into the Equity of Present Rates of Assistance 
on Western Feed Grains to the Provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and 
Prince Edward Island in relation to Costs by various methods of Transporta- 
tion, and to make recommendations with respect thereto. 

By Mr. Martineau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report with 
respect to Operations under the Coal Production Assistance Act for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 173, R.S.C., 
1952, as amended 1959. (French). 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 21st NOVEMBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Three petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Harkness, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a letter, dated November 9, 1962, addressed to Dr. Davidson 
Dunton, Moderator of the television program "Canadian Defence — ^Part 2" con- 
cerning information relating to the Royal Canadian Navy and the Royal Cana- 
dian Air Force. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4) : 

Question No. 666, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many National Housing Act loans have been processed through 
the Peterborough Office of Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation in 1962? 

2. What were their total value? 

3. How many loans were processed in 1961, 1960, 1959? 

4. What lawyers handled these loans for Central Mortgage and Housing 
in each of these years, and what were their fees? 

Mr. McCleave, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works, 
presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



304 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Question No. 728, by Mr. Frenette, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What was the price paid for building stone and granite imported into 
Canada during 1959-60-61, and to what extent were such materials used in the 
construction of federal government buildings? 

Question No. 745, by Mr. McNulty, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Were any persons, companies or municipalities issued with notices of 
expropriation in connection with land required for the twinning of the locks of 
the Welland Canal and, if so, with respect to each (a) what amount of land is to 
be expropriated (b) what offer was made by the St. Lawrence Seaway Author- 
ity (c) was a cash offer made (d) was such offer accepted and what was the 
settlement price? 

2. On what date were these expropriation notices mailed to each property 
or person affected, respectively? 

3. Have any workmen acting under authority of the St. Lawrence Seaway 
Authority, entered and worked on private land under expropriation notice, prior 
to an offer or acceptance of price or settlement? 

4. On what date or dates respectively will the recipients of expropria- 
tion notices have to vacate their land? 

5. Did any persons whose land is under notice of expropriation and to 
whom an offer was made, accept a down payment on the basis of a promise of 
the payment of interest on the balance of the settlement, and, if so, will interest 
payments also be made to persons refusing acceptance of a down payment? 

Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 760, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What agencies of government are empowered to award scholarships, fel- 
lowships, studentships and bursaries? 

2. In 1961 (a) what number of awards (b) of what definition (c) of what 
value; were made by each government agency so empowered? 

Question No. 794, by Mr. Stewart, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Was the exhibit that represents Canada at the Commonwealth Institute 
in London, England, planned, approved or financed to any degree by the Govern- 
ment of Canada? 

2. If so (a) has the government received reports on the quality of the 
exhibit (b) what is the nature of such reports? 

Question No. 838, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many retired civil servants are receiving pensions of amounts 
within each of the following brackets: (a) less than $20.00 per month (b) 
$20.00 to $29.99 per month (c) $30.00 to $39.99 per month (d) $40.00 to $49.99 
per month (e) $50.00 to $59.99 per month (/) $60.00 to $69.99 per month (g) 
$70.00 to $79.99 per month (h) $80.00 to $89.99 per month (i) $90.00 to $99.99 
per month (j) $100.00 to $149.99 per month (k) $150.00 to $199.99 per month 
(I) $200.00 to $249.99 per month (m) $250.00 to $299.99 per month (n) $300.00 
per month and over? 

2. How many widows of retired civil servants are receiving pensions of 
amounts within each of the brackets indicated in the above question? 

3. What is the number of retired federal civil servants and also the number 
of widows of retired federal civil servants presently residing in each province? 



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On motion of Mr. Lamoureux, seconded by Mr. Turner, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House copies of the International Air Agreements 
between Canada and the United States of America and between Canada and 
Great Britain. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 41). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers (No. 42) having been 
called was allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Haidasz, seconded by Mr. Cameron (High Park), it was 
ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that 
he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all communications 
addressed to the Department of Transport and to the Trans-Canada Air Lines 
Corporation from the Honourable Allan Grossman, Q.C., Commissioner of the 
Liquor Control Board of Ontario. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 43). 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-49, An Act to amend 
An Act to amend the Combines Investigation Act and the Criminal Code; 

Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Commit- 
tee of the Whole, reported with an amendment, considered as amended, and 
ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Judges Act, and progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Leboe, moved, — That this House is of the 
opinion that the government should agree within one year to a design for a 
suitable distinctive national flag and introduce legislation in this House for 
the adoption of this emblem. — {Notice of Motion No. 9). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 
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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

Twenty-second Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, presented on November 20th meets the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

Quebec Fire Assurance Company, and in French, Compagnie d'assurance de 
Quebec contre les accidents du feu, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
changing its name to "Quebec Assurance Company", and in French, "Compagnie 
d'assurance du Quebec", and for other purposes. — Mr. Bourhonnais. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 22nd NOVEMBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

One petition for a Private Bill was presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 



Mr. Pugh, from the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs, presented the 
First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print from day to day such papers and evidence 
as may be ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended 
in relation thereto; 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (n) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pugh, seconded by Mr. Ormiston, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Beaule be substituted for that of Mr. Gregoire on the Sessional 
Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Muir (Lisgar) and Nasserden be substituted for those of 
Messrs. Simpson and Cooper on the Standing Committee on Banking and 
Commerce. 
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Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to authorize and provide for 
the construction of a line of railway in the Province of New Brunswick, by 
Canadian National Railway Company, from Nepisiguit Junction for a distance 
of 15 miles to the property of Brunswick Mining and Smelting Corporation 
Limited, at a total estimated expenditure of $1,450,000, not to be exceeded by 
more than fifteen per cent; to authorize the issue by the said Railway Company 
of securities that may be guaranteed by Her Majesty in right of Canada to 
finance the construction of the said line; and in order that the said Railway 
Company may forthwith proceed with the construction of the said line of 
railway, to authorize temporary loans to the said Railway Company out of the 
Consolidated Revenue Fund upon terms and conditions prescribed by the 
Governor in Council and secured by securities of the said Railway Company. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-4, An Act to amend 
the Department of National Health and Welfare Act; 

Mr. Monteith, seconded by Mr. Fulton, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was read the third time 
and passed. 



Bill C-49, An Act to amend An Act to amend the Combines Investigation 
Act and the Criminal Code, was read the third time and passed. 

The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution respecting industrial change and manpower adjustment; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15{3)'\ 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)'] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before this House copies 



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of correspondence or any documents exchanged between the Prime Minister and 
the Minister of Finance or any other Minister of the Crown and officers of the 
Department of Justice or the Privy Council or any other government depart- 
ment or agency on the subject of Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-902, 
dated June 24, 1962, and the amendment to the Surcharge and Imports Order, 
P.C. 1962-987, dated July 11, 1962, and the Import Control List as amended by 
P.C. 1962-903, dated June 24, 1962, with particular reference to the legality 
of such Orders. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 16). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution respecting industrial change and manpower adjustment. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure respecting industrial 
change and manpower adjustment; to provide for the organization and mainte- 
nance of a Manpower Consultation Service; to provide also for the payment 
of assessment incentives for carrying out manpower adjustment programs; to 
provide further for the entering into agreements providing for the payment by 
Canada respecting a labour mobihty incentive; and to establish a council 
called the "Advisory Council on Industrial Change and Manpower Adjustment" 
and to provide for the Chairman's remuneration and for certain expenses of the 
members of the Council. 



Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



M. Starr, seconded by Mr. Martineau, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-8B, An Act respecting Industrial Change and Manpower Adjustment, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-70, An Act to pro- 
vide for the Safety of Persons Employed in Federal Works, Undertakings and 
Businesses; 

Mr. Starr, seconded by Mr. Martineau, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

Twenty-third Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, filed after November 8th, 1962, and presented on 
November 21st by Mr. Mandziuk, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70. 
However, these petitions were not filed within the time limit specified by 
Standing Order 93: 

Carol Thornton Blackman, wife of Colin Blackman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ezreh Harry Herscovitch of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Lillian Lea 
Huss Herscovitch. 

Donald Edgar Hicks of Grand Falls, Newfoundland, husband of Frances 
Marie Benson Hicks. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Eighteenth Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Marion Daphune Cormier Armour, wife of Norman Ernest Armour of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Joseph Idolard Bouchard of Nouvelle, Quebec, husband of Antoinette 
Babineau Bouchard. 

Edward Brown of Dorval, Quebec, husband of Ginette Cameron Brown. 

Rochelle Pleet Caplan, wife of Allan Steven Caplan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margaret Humphreys Clewes, wife of Richard Clewes of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mildred Niren (Nirenberg) Cubitz, wife of Allan Cubitz of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Julianna Barta Gulyas, wife of Zoltan Gulyas of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lee Litwack Leopold, wife of Henry Leslie Leopold of Westmount, Quebec. 

Giselle Miron Mignault, wife of Jean (Jack) Mignault of Montreal, Quebec. 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Mandziuk, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private 
Bills, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as 
follows: 

Your Committee recommends that its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 
Members, and that Standing Order 65(1) (c) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. 
Cardiff, the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Mather, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-84, An Act to amend the Transport Act and the Railway Act (B.C. 
Water Carriers), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-20, An Act to amend 
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Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, (*Question No. 108) showing: 
1. Was there a meeting in Ottawa in the summer of 1962 concerning the 
disposal of radioactive wastes, including disposal in the ocean and, if so, what 
were its findings? 

2. Has the government considered the report of the ad hoc panel of the 
International Atomic Energy Agency with regard to disposal of radioactive 
wastes? 

3. Has the government any knowledge as to whether any dumping of 
radioactive wastes has taken place at a dumping site 150 to 200 miles South 
of Yarmouth during 1960 or to date and, if so, is this site still considered c 
possible dumping area by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission? 

4. Has the government any knowledge of the official views of Britain, 
France, and the USSR with regard to disposal of radioactive wastes in the 
ocean and, if so, what are they? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 31, 
1962, {Question No. 260) showing: 1. What are the tons and ton-miles of freight 
moved on equipment owned by Eldorado Aviation Limited during the years 

1959, 1960, and 1961 tabulated as follows (a) total from and to all points 
within the company system northbound (b) total from and to all points within 
the company system southbound (c) from Edmonton, Alberta, to all points 
within the Northwest Territories (d) from all points within the Northwest 
Territories to Edmonton (e) from all points within the company system destined 
for Distant Early Warning station sites (/) from Distant Early Warning station 
sites to all points within the company system (g) from all points within the 
company system to all points within the system of Northern Transportation 
Company Limited (h) from all points within the system of Northern Trans- 
portation Company Limited to all points within the system of Eldorado Aviation 
Limited? 

2. Of the total tonnage and ton-miles moved within the Northwest Terri- 
tories, what percentage of each of these totals was moved for (a) Crown cor- 
porations (b) government departments (c) Distant Early Warning station 
sites (d) consignees other than above? 

3. What was the total number of passengers carried during the years 1959, 

1960, and 1961 tabulated in the same manner as part 1 above? 

4. What was the total number of passengers carried for (a) Crown corpora- 
tions (b) government departments (c) Distant Early Warning station sites (d) 
persons, firms, or corporations other than above? 



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5. What gross revenue was earned by Eldorado Aviation Limited in each 
year 1959, 1960, and 1961 from the carriage of goods within the Northwest Ter- 
ritories tabulated as follows (a) goods carried for Crown corporations (b) 
goods carried for Canadian government departments (c) goods carried for 
Distant Early Warning station sites (d) goods carried for consignees other than 
(a), (b), or (c)? 

6. What gross revenue was earned by Eldorado Aviation Limited in each 
year 1959, 1960, and 1961 from the carriage of passengers within the Northwest 
Territories tabulated in the same manner as for part 5 above? 

7. What was the gross revenue earned by Eldorado Aviation Limited in 
each year 1959, 1960, and 1961 from the carriage of passengers to and from all 
points outside of the Northwest Territories tabulated in the same manner as 
for part 5 above? 

8. Of the total tonnage provided for carriage by Eldorado Aviation Limited, 
what tonnage was allocated to Canadian (private enterprise) carriers by 
Eldorado Aviation Limited for movement within the Northwest Territories or 
outside the Northwest Territories during the years 1959, 1960, and 1961? 

9. What sources of revenue has Eldorado Aviation Limited other than from 
the carriage of goods or passengers by air? 

10. Other than transportation operations, what business activities are car- 
ried on by Eldorado Aviation Limited? 

11. What is the yearly statement of income and expenditures in tabulated 
form, in totals and in cents per ton-mile for the years 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 
1960, and 1961, of yearly (a) freight earnings (b) revenue passenger earnings 
(c) miscellaneous earnings, other than freight revenue (d) operating expenses 
(e) administrative expenses (f) depreciation (g) operating profits (h) Income 
Tax paid (i) net profit? 

12. What is the total number of aircraft accidents occurring either on the 
ground, on the water, or in the air, which involved company aircraft during 
the years 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, and 1961, indicating the type of aircraft 
involved in each accident and the cost of each accident with a brief statement 
of the cause? 

13. What is the total number of non-revenue paying passengers carried by 
the company in company aircraft to and from all points tabulated in the same 
manner as for parts 1 and 2 above for the years 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 
and 1961? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 5, 
1962, (Question No. 366) showing: 1. Was a piece of property belonging to the 
late William Beech at Churchill, Manitoba, expropriated at the time the rail- 
way was extended to that port and, if so, what price was paid for the said 
property, and what was its extent? 

2. What use is being made of the said property at the present time? 

3. Is this property suitable for an extension of the town site and, if so, 
is any consideration being given to its use for that purpose? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 
1962, (* Question No. 412) showing: 1. What company drafted the plans and 
specifications for the St. Lawrence Seaway? 

2. What was the cost to Canada of the drafting of the said plans? 

3. How many general contractors obtained contracts? 
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4. What are the names of each of these contractors? 

5. What was the amount of each contract? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 5, 
1962, {^Question No. 573) showing: 1. Do the two Indian Reserves at Longlac, 
Ontario, have hydro electric service and (a) if not, have any requests been 
received from the Band Councils for assistance or total financial support in 
the wiring and service of the homes on these Reserves (b) if so, when, and 
what disposal was made of the request? 

2. How many homes built by the Indian Affairs Branch are on each reserve? 

3. Has the Branch provided wiring and taken the lead in developing hydro 
electric service on many other Reserves in Canada? 

4. Has the Branch an estimate of what it would cost to provide such wiring 
and service to each of these Reserves? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 5, 
1962, (Question No. 594) showing: Has Central Mortgage and Housing Cor- 
poration carried on negotiations from time to time with any person or persons 
with respect to the advancing, by way of loan, of funds for the construction of 
buildings, including rental housing projects, within that area in the City of 
Toronto bounded on the North by Howard Street, on the West by Ontario 
Street, on the South by Wellesley Street East, and on the East by Parliament 
Street and, if so, (a) with whom were such negotiations carried on (b) what 
persons were applying as borrowers, specifying in the case of individuals, their 
names and addresses, and in the case of a corporation or corporations, its or 
their corporate name, the address of its or each of their principal place of busi- 
ness, the jurisdiction under which incorporated, and the names and addresses 
of all directors and officers (c) what was the outcome of such negotiations and 
if any loan agreement was entered into when will (i) clearing of the land, and 
(ii) construction of the buildings commence, and upon what events will the 
principal of the loan be advanced and (d) if any loan agreement was entered 
into but is no longer in force, why was it terminated? 

Twenty-fourth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, filed after November 8th, 1962, and presented by Mr. Smith (Simcoe 
North), on November 22nd meets the requirements of Standing Order 70. 
However, this petition was not filed within the time limit specified by Standing 
Order 93: 

John Mark, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, Peter Kolibaiev, of the City 
of Montreal, Quebec, and five others, for an Act to incorporate The Union of 
Slavic Churches of Evangelical Christians and Baptists of Canada. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, 
as follows: 

GEORGE P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Supplementary 
Estimates (A) of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1963, and, in accordance with the provisions of the British 
North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates 
to the House of Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 



On motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, the said Message 
and Supplementary Estimates (A) were referred to the Committee of Supply. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Prittie and Laing be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Lewis and Lamoureux on the Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and 
Shipping. 



Mr. Berger, seconded by Mr. Prittie, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-85, An Act to Limit the Hours of Work for Employees in Federal Works, 
Undertakings and Businesses, which was read the first time and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

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The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 433, by Mr. Belanger, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Has the government been advised that certain contractors holding govern- 
ment contracts in the constituency of Charlevoix are hiring workers on a basis 
of their political affiliation and, if so, what action does it intend to take to end 
such practice? 

Mr. Bell (Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 759, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: On January 1, 1890, and at each decennial anniversary thereafter, what 
was the rail freight rate in cents per 100 lbs. on the following items from ship- 
ping point to destination as indicated: (a) wheat (export and domestic), Winni- 
peg to Port Arthur (b) wheat (export and domestic), Winnipeg to Montreal 
(c) wheat (export and domestic), Regina to Vancouver (d) lumber, Vancouver 
to Toronto (e) lumber, Prince George to Buffalo (f) steel (sheet), Hamilton to 
Vancouver (g) coal, Jasper to Toronto (h) canned goods, Leamington to Van- 
couver (i) apples, Penticton to Toronto (j) farm machinery, Toronto to Regina? 



* Question No. 835, by Mr. Haidasz, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What are the regulations of the Department of National Health and 
Welfare regarding the sale of chemical pesticides? 

2. What special measures are taken to protect the Canadian population 
from the highly dangerous organic phosphate group of chemicals used in pes- 
ticides? 

3. Does the Department of National Health and Welfare have a bureau of 
enforcement to see that these safety regulations are observed? 



*Question No. 860, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Since the compiling of Sessional Paper No. 230, have any persons other 
than those named therein, who were candidates in the federal election of 
June 18, 1962, and were defeated, been appointed by the federal government 
to positions to which emoluments or allowances are attached and, if so, what 
are their names, their positions and their emoluments or allowances? 



Question No. 868, by Mr. Stewart, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. On what date did the policy of allowing double depreciation in respect 
of capital expenditures in areas of chronic unemployment, announced by the 
Minister of Finance on December 20, 1960, come into effect? 

2. On what section of what statute is this allowance based? 

3. What areas in the Atlantic Provinces have been designated as chronic 
unemployment areas? 

4. What companies in each of those areas have applied for the double 
depreciation incentive? 

5. Which of these applications have been refused? 



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Question No. 871, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many persons who were candidates in the federal election of 
June 10, 1957, and were defeated have since that date been appointed by the 
federal government to positions to which emoluments or allowances are 
attached? 

2. What are the names of all such persons? 

3. What are their positions and what are their emoluments or allowances? 

Question No. 872, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many persons who were candidates in the federal election of 
March 31, 1958, and were defeated have since that date been appointed by the 
federal government to positions to which emoluments or allowances are 
attached? 

2. What are the names of all such persons? 

3. What are their positions and what are their emoluments or allowances? 

*Question No. 881, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. With respect to the 22 people whose country of last permanent residence 
was China and the 30 people whose country of last permanent residence was 
Hong Kong who have been ordered to be deported since January 1, 1957, what 
was the reason in each such case for the order of deportation having been 
made? 

2. With respect to the four people whose country of last permanent resi- 
dence was China and the seven people whose country of last permanent resi- 
dence was Hong Kong who have been ordered to be deported since January 
1, 1957, but on whose behalf the order was cancelled or reversed, what was 
the reason in each such case for the order of deportation having been made 
in the first instance? 

3. With respect to the nine people whose country of last permanent resi- 
dence was China and the six people whose country of last permanent residence 
was Hong Kong who have been ordered to be deported since January 1, 1957, 
but who have been allowed to remain subject to review, what was the reason in 
each such case for the order of deportation having been issued in the first 
instance? 

Mr. McGee, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 887, by Mr. Cantin, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What are the quantities of (a) wheat (b) oats (c) barley (d) rye (e) 
flax and (f) the total amounts, delivered in each of the following ports: Van- 
couver-New Westminster, Victoria, Prince Rupert, Churchill, Fort William- 
Port Arthur, Toronto, Kingston, Montreal, Sorel, Three Rivers, Quebec, Bale 
Comeau, Saint John, West St. John, and Halifax, for each of the crop years 
from 1950-51 to 1960-61? 

2. What quantities of each of the abovementioned grains were exported 
from each above-listed port during the years 1950-51 to 1960-61? 

3. What quantities, for each above-listed port, of each of the abovemen- 
tioned grains were retained for domestic consumption? 

^Question No. 908, by Mr. Beaule, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Have any payments been made by the federal government to the Gov- 
ernment of the Province of Quebec under the Technical and Vocational Train- 
ing Assistance Act and, if so, what amounts were paid and for what specific 
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2. Was the federal government requested by representatives of the Gov- 
ernment of the Province of Quebec to make the said Act applicable to training 
centres under the jurisdiction of the provincial Department of Labour and, if 
so, what reply was given by the federal authorities, and on what grounds was 
such reply based? 

Question No. 920, by Mr. Laing,— Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. In each year since 1950, what has been the (a) value (b) tonnage, of 
all grades of feed screenings exported from Canada? 

2. In the same years, what has been the value and tonnage of feed 
screenings sold for livestock consumption in Canada? 

3. Has the Department of Agriculture encouraged the retention of this 
feedstuff in Canada and, if so, by what means? 

*Question No. 927, by Mr. Marcoux,— Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Aboard what plane, at whose expense, and on what date, did 
members of the Canadian NATO Parliamentary Association leave for Europe? 

2. Aboard what plane, at whose expense, and on what date, did the Associ- 
ate Minister of National Defence leave for Paris in connection with the Mont- 
real World's Fair? 

Mr. Sevigny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 
And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Lewis, seconded by Mr. Winch, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, consideration be given to the advisability of introducing a measure 
providing (a) that specified expenditures in respect of television, radio, travel 
within his constituency, the printing and mailing of some literature about him- 
self and his or his party's program incurred by or on behalf of a candidate 
representing a federal party in a federal election be paid out of the general 
revenues of Canada; (b) that any additional expenditures by a candidate or 
by any person or organization on his behalf be limited to a specified amount 
calculated on the basis of voting population; and (c) that every candidate, 
constituency organization or federal party and any person or organization acting 
for or on behalf of any one or all of them shall make full and accurate disclosure 
of all monies received and of all expenditures incurred by them in respect of 
a federal election. — (Notice of Motion No. 11). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



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The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, laid before the House, — Report of the 
Royal Commission on Government Organization, Volume 2, Supporting Services 
for Government, (J. Grant Glassco, Chairman), dated October 1, 1962, together 
with a Statement of Information and Summary of the said Report. (English 
and French). 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Gregoire be substituted for that of Mr. Caouette on the 
Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

{In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $449,473,276.60 being the aggregate 
of— 

(a) one- twelfth of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Revised Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1963, laid before the 



322 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, except Atomic Energy- 
Item 5, Finance Item 50, Forestry Item 11, Labour Item 40, Legislation Items 
30 and 35, National Defence Item 70, National Health and Welfare Item 25, 
Northern Affairs and National Resources Item 10, Public Works Items 5, 45, 
125, 190 and 200, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Items 5 and 25, Loans, Invest- 
ments and Advances Item L-20, $303,189,049.67; 

(b) an additional two-twelfths of the amounts of Public Works Items 145, 
168 and 170, Transport Items 35, 222 and 225, of the said Revised Estimates, 
$3,652,166.67; 

(c) an additional one-twelfth of Agriculture Items 25, 100 and 160, Finance 
Item 45, Northern Affairs and National Resources Items 30, 50, 55, 85, 90, 95 
and 100, Public Works Items 10, 20, 115, 120, 140 and 150, Transport Items 55, 
100, 125 and 185, Loans, Investments and Advances Item L-70, of the said 
Revised Estimates, $12,122,533.34; 

(d) nine- twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Supplementary Estimates (A), for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1963, 
laid before the House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, 
$121,079,360.25; 

(e) an additional two- twelfths of External Affairs Item 112a, Transport 
Items 213a and 222a, of the said Supplementary Estimates (A), $9,430,166.67, 

be granted to Her Majesty on account of the present fiscal year ending March 
31st, 1963. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
March 31st, 1963, the sum of $449,473,276.60 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the Resolution concurred in this day 
in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. MacLean (Queens), by leave of the House, 
presented Bill C-86, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money 
for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1963, which 
was read the first time. 



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By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

IPrivate Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 {3)} 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-5, An Act respecting The Eastern Trust Company, was considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



Bill S-6, An Act respecting The North American General Insurance Com- 
pany, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, 
read the third time and passed. 



By unanimous consent. Order No. 343 was given precedence. 



Whereupon, the Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-11, An 
Act respecting The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Order for second reading of 
Bill S-12, An Act to incorporate Allstate Life Insurance Company of Canada, 
be given precedence the next time Private Bills are called. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-8, An Act for the 
relief of Franz Zeitlhofer; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



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The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-9, An Act for the 
relief of John Harman; 

Mr. MacEwan, for Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills {together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-10, An Act for the 
relief of Esther Wertheimer; 

Mr. MacEwan, for Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-11, An Act for the 
relief of Rachela Zimber; 

Mr. MacEwan, for Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-86, 
An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1963, which was reported 
without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 

The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to establish a National Economic Development Board, 
and progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 27th NOVEMBER 325 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills without amendment: 
Bill C-78, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act. 
Bill C-79, An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 28th NOVEMBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 711, by Mr. Denis, — Order of the House for a Return showing: 
For each of the last ten years, and for each province (a) how many tenders 
were called for transportation of mails (b) how many contracts were changed? 

Question No. 833, by Mr. Argue, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Did a DOT plane recently take the Minister of Agriculture to Regina and, 
if so, when? 

2. What were the names of all other passengers on the flight? 

3. When was the return flight, and what were the names of all passengers 
on the flight? 

Mr. McBain, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 880, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: With respect to each of the amounts of money paid to Interior Contracting 
Co. Ltd. of Penticton, B.C., as enumerated in Sessional Paper No. 232, which 
ones were (a) paid pursuant to the process of tenders, bids and contracts being 
held and (b) paid without such a process being held; and, with respect to 
those paid pursuant to the process of tenders, bids and contracts, what was the 
nature and date of each such contract? 



328 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Question No. 916, by Mr. Denis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. When was the system of rewards for information, leading to the arrest 
and conviction of persons having committed various offences against the Post 
Office Department and the mails, established? 

2. During each of the past five years (a) what were the amounts paid in 
the form of such rewards (b) to how many persons have these rewards been 
paid, and (c) how much did each receive? 

Question No. 918, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many members of the Armed Forces have been retired on pension 
under the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act? 

2. Of those retired, how many draw pensions of (a) over $1,000 per year 
(b) over $3,000 per year (c) over $5,000 per year and (d) over $7,000 per 
year? 

3. Is there at present an actuarial deficiency in the Canadian Forces 
Superannuation Account and, if so (a) what is the amount of such deficiency 
and (b) does the government contemplate a charge to budgetary expenditure 
to eliminate the deficiency? 

Question No. 940, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What has been the disposal of the material on the site for the radar 
base at Neys, near Marathon, Ontario? 

2. If the material has been moved, where has it been put, who moved it, 
and what was the remuneration for moving it? 

On motion of Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of any legal opinion or opinions 
given by the Department of Justice or any other counsel consulted concerning 
the jurisdiction of the BBG or its ruling about the Grey Cup broadcast. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 42). 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Rouleau for Mr. Dupuis, seconded 
by Mr. Robichaud, it was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a 
copy of all telegrams, correspondence, options, contracts or other documents in 
the possession of any department or agency of the federal government in con- 
nection with the purchase of land for the construction of a public building at 
Beauceville. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 46). 

On motion of Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Winch, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of the election expenses — (Form 61) 
of each candidate in the general election of June 18, 1962, as made pursuant 
to section 63(1) and 63(12) of the Canada Elections Act. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 47). 

On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of the Pension Plan covering 
employees of Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 48). 

Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers (No. 49) having been called 
was allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 28th NOVEMBER 329 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to establish a National Economic Development Board. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish a 
National Economic Development Board and to define the duties thereof, to 
provide for the appointment of the chairman and other members of the Board 
and for the payment of the chairman's remuneration and of certain expenses 
of the members thereof, to provide further that the Board may engage the 
services of such advisers and staff as may be necessary to enable it to carry 
out its duties and to provide further for other related and incidental matters. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Churchill for Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. O'Hurley, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-87, An Act to provide for the establishment of a 
National Economic Development Board, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-64, An Act to amend 
the Coal Production Assistance Act; 

Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



{At 5.00 o'clock p.m,., Private Mem^hers' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)} 

(Notices of Motions) 
Item No. 13 having been called for the first time was allowed to stand. 



Mr. Argue, seconded by Mr. Gordon, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should consider the advisability of providing com- 
prehensive income payments to farmers in time of crop failure by giving 
consideration to amending the Prairie Farm Assistance Act so as to provide: 
(a) an increase in the schedule of payments as follows: (i) an increase in the 
maximum payment from $4 per acre to $8 per acre; (ii) an increase in the 
present $3 per acre payment to $6 per acre; (iii) an increase in the present $2 
per acre payment to $4 per acre; (b) an increase in farmers' contributions from 
1 per cent to 2 per cent; (c) an increase in the maximum cultivated acreage on 
which payments may be made from 400 acres to 600 acres; and should give 
consideration to the provision of other appropriate amendments required to 
assure adequate income support in time of crop failure. — (Notice of Motion 
No. 14). 



330 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-86, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1963. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, for Mr. Halpenny, 
— Return to an Order of the House, dated November 7, 1962, for a copy of all 
reports and other documents in the possession of the Department of National 
Health and V/elfare relating to the selection of Banff, Alberta, instead of Mont- 
Tremblant, Quebec, as the proposed site of the 1968 Winter Olympic Games. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 37). 

By Mr. Balcer, for Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Address, dated November 
21, 1962, to His Excellency the Governor General for copies of the International 
Air Agreements between Canada and the United States of America and 
between Canada and Great Britain. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 41). 

By Mr. Balcer, for Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated 
October 29, 1962, (* Question No. 491) showing: Does the government exercise 
any emergency power over the export or import of all goods of a dangerous 
nature and, if so, how? 

By Mr. Balcer, for Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated 
November 14, 1962, (Question No. 667) showing: Has the federal government 
bought or sold any property in the City of Peterborough since January 1, 1961, 
and, if so, who were the lawyers or sellers, and what was the price? 

By Mr. Balcer, for Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated 
November 14, 1962, (Question No. 668) showing: How many federal employees 
are at present employed in the Federal Building in Peterborough, and how 
many were employed in 1961, 1960, 1959? 

By Mr. Balcer, for Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated 
November 14, 1962, (Question No. 740) showing: 1 (a) What was the policy 
of the federal government from 1950 to 1955 with regard to the transferring 
of buildings formerly used by the federal government (former post office 
buildings and others) to municipal bodies (b) were they turned over gratis 
or sold (c) if they were sold, on what basis was the price determined? 

2. Has there been any change in the above-noted policy since 1955, and, if 
so, (a) when were changes made therein (b) what changes were made? 

3. What is the present policy regarding such buildings when municipal 
bodies are interested in obtaining them? 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 28th NOVEMBER 331 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated November 21, 1962, {Question No. 838) show- 
ing: 1. How many retired civil servants are receiving pensions of amounts 
within each of the following brackets: (a) less than $20.00 per month (b) 
$20.00 to $29.99 per month (c) $30.00 to $39.99 per month (d) $40.00 to $49.99 
per month (e) $50.00 to $59.99 per month (f) $60.00 to $69.99 per month (g) 
$70.00 to $79.99 per month (h) $80.00 to $89.99 per month (i) $90.00 to $99.99 
per month (j) $100.00 to $149.99 per month (7c) $150.00 to $199.99 per month 
(I) $200.00 to $249.99 per month (m) $250.00 to $299.99 per month (n) $300.00 
per month and over? 

2. How many widows of retired civil servants are receiving pensions of 
amounts within each of the brackets indicated in the above question? 

3. What is the number of retired federal civil servants and also the number 
of widows of retired federal civil servants presently residing in each province? 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Nineteenth Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Robert Brooks of Duvernay, Quebec, husband of Ludmilla Elissa Topol- 
nicki Brooks. 

Linda Alice Gardner Burrows, wife of Michael Heber Burrows of Mont- 
real, Quebec, 

Neilson Harold Dowsley of Town of Pincourt, Quebec, husband of Mary 
Ellen Hayden Dowsley. 

Madeleine Priscilla Deane Suckling Everall, wife of Peter Robert Newall 
Everall of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nicolle Potvin Fleurant, wife of Jean Louis Fleurant of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gwynneth Margaret MacLeod Forget, wife of Joseph Pierre Arsene Forget 
of Pierrefonds, Quebec. 

Marie Madeleine Lydia Laflamme Gauvin, wife of Ronald Joseph Gauvin 
of Fabreville, Quebec. 

Magdeleine Tetrault Geoffrion, wife of Louis Pierre Tancrede Geoffrion 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Hilda Hyslop Hermita, wife of Adolfo Fernandez Hermita of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Richard Wilfrid Earl Hogan of Cote St. Luc, Quebec, husband of Mary 
Margaret McAleer Hogan. 

Phyllis Wishnowski Kara, wife of Julius Kara of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Reid Studd Koken, wife of Bernd-Krafft Koken of Granby, Quebec. 

Marjorie Edith Taylor Leroux, wife of George Gustave Leroux of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Hans Ulrich Lewin of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Lesley Patricia 
Weston Roxburgh Lewin. 

Joseph Rene Gerard Michel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Blanche 
Jeannette St. Laurent Michel. 

Joseph William Alfonse Morency of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elva 
Eileen Linford Morency. 

Ellen Alice Hendry Nelham, wife of John William Riley Nelham of Pointe- 
Claire, Quebec. 



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Jean-Jacques Aime Picotte of St. Remi, Quebec, husband of Marie Pierrette 
Jacqueline Gauthier Picotte. 

Alphonse Eugene Racine of Ile-Bizard, Quebec, husband of Norma Lorraine 
Gumming Watson Racine. 

Andrew Sallai of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eva Hegedus Sallai. 

Betty Jane Doehler Sockett, wife of David Lucas Sockett of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Albert Wilfrid Tremblay of Farnham, Quebec, husband of Eveline Desor- 
miers dit Gusson Tremblay. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 29th NOVEMBER, 1962. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

29th November, 1962. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the 
Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 29th Novem- 
ber, at 5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-14, An Act respecting Merit Insurance Company. — Mr. Macnaughton. 



334 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Mr. Valade, from the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be authorized to print, from day to 
day, 800 copies in English and 250 copies in French of its Minutes of Proceedings 
and Evidence, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Valade, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
naughton, the said Report was concurred in. 



A question of privilege having been raised by the honourable Member for 
Megantic (Mr. Langlois) concerning two newspaper articles published in La 
Presse of Montreal, dated November 27 and 28, 1962; 

And the said newspapers having been laid upon the Table; 

And the Clerk of the House having proceeded to read the said articles; it 
was agreed that further reading of the same be dispensed with. 

Whereupon, Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, moved, — That the 
article by Mr. Jean Charpentier, entitled "NATO Conference of Parliamentarians 
— Our Delegations to International Conferences are often Rewards to Well- 
behaved Members", which appeared in La Presse on Tuesday, November 27, 
1962, as well as Mr. Guy Cormier's article, entitled "Parliamentary Misconduct", 
which also appeared in La Presse on Wednesday, November 28, 1962, be referred 
to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections for consideration and 
report. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-87, An Act to pro- 
vide for the establishment of a National Economic Development Board; 

Mr. Martineau for Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Balcer, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time; 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Private Bills) 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Order for second reading 
of Bill S-14, An Act respecting Merit Insurance Company, be given precedence 
the next time Private Bills are called. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-12, An Act to 
incorporate Allstate Life Insurance Company of Canada; 



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Mr. Hanbidge, seconded by Mr. Bigg, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Howard, moved in amendment thereto, — That 
the word "now" be left out of the said motion and the words "this day six 
months hence" be added at the end of the question. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs. 



Barnett, 


Douglas, 


Knowles, 


Ouellet, 


Berger, 


Frenette, 


Latulippe, 


Perron, 


Boutin, 


Gregoire, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Peters, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Herridge, 


Mather, 


Prittie, 


Cowichan-The 


Howard, 


Orlikow, 


Scott, 


Islands), 






Winch— 20, 



Nays 
Messrs. 



Addison, 


Cote, 


Jones, 


Mitchell, 


Alkenbrack, 


Cowan, 


Jorgenson, 


Monteith, 


Argue, 


Crouse, 


Kennedy, 


Moore, 


Asselin, 


Davis, 


Laing, 


Morris, 


Badanai, 


Deschatelets, 


Lamoureux, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Balcer, 


Dinsdale, 


Langlois, 


North and 


Baldwin, 


Dionne, 


Laniel, 


Victoria), 


Baskin, 


Doucett, 


Laprise, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Batten, 


Dupuis, 


Leboe, 


Munro, 


Beaule, 


English, 


Legare, 


Nesbitt, 


Bechard, 


Enns, 


Legere, 


Nugent, 


Beer, 


Fane, 


Lessard 


O'Hurley, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


(Saint-Henri), 


Olson, 


Bell (Saint John- 


Revelstoke), 


Loiselle, 


Ormiston, 


Albert), 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Otto, 


Belzile, 


Carleton), 


Macdonald 


Pascoe, 


Benson, 


Forgie, 


(Rosedale), 


Paul, 


Bernier, 


Eoy, 


MacEachen, 


Pennell, 


Bigg, 


Gagnon, 


Mackasey, 


Phillips, 


Boulanger, 


Garland, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Pickersgill, 


Bourbonnais, 


Gauthier, 


Macnaughton, 


Pilon, 


Bourque, 


Gordon, 


MacRae, 


Pugh, 


Byrne, 


Grafftey, 


McBain, 


Rapp, 


Cadieu, 


Gundlock, 


McCleave, 


Ricard, 


Cameron 


Habel, 


McDonald 


Rideout, 


(High Park), 


Hales, 


(Hamilton South), 


Rinfret, 


Cardiff, 


Hamilton, 


McGrath, 


Robinson, 


Carter, 


Hanbidge, 


Mcintosh, 


Rochon, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


McMillan, 


Rock, 


Chaplin, 


Harkness, 


McNulty, 


Rowe, 


Chevrier, 


Hodgson, 


McPhillips, 


Rynard, 


Churchill, 


Honey, 


McWilliam, 


Sams, 


Clancy, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Maltais, 


Sauve, 


Clermont, 


Horner 


Marcoux, 


Sevigny, 


Coates, 


(Jasper-Edson) 


Matheson, 


Simpson, 


Cook, 


Horner 


Matte, 


Slogan, 


Cooper, 


(The Battlefords), 


Millar, 


Smallwood, 



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Smith 


Stenson, 


Turner, 


Weichel, 


(Calgary South), 


Tardif, 


Vincent, 


Whelan, 


Southam, 


Thomas, 


Wahn, 


Winkler, 


Starr, 


Thompson, 


Webb, 


Woolliams— 153 


Stefanson, 









A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills without amendment: 

Bill C-49, An Act to amend An Act to amend the Combines Investigation 
Act and the Criminal Code. 

Bill C-71, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act. 

Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate 
Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable the 
Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, His 
Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the 
following bills: 

An Act respecting Canadian Pacific Railway Company. 

An Act respecting The Eastern Trust Company. 

An Act respecting The North American General Insurance Company. 

An Act to amend the Income Tax Act. 

An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act. 

An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act. 

An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act. 

An Act to amend An Act to amend the Combines Investigation Act and 
the Criminal Code. 

And Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable 
the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

'The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following 
bill: 

*An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st of March, 1963'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 29th NOVEMBER 337 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy of His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, 
and assents to this bill." 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau for Mr. 
Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Balcer, — That Bill C-87, An Act to provide for the 
establishment of a National Economic Development Board, be now read a 
second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted at ten o'clock. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Revised Capital 
Budget of The St. Lawrence Seaway Authority for the year ending December 
31, 1962, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 
116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962-1673, 
dated November 23, 1962, approving same. 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 17, 1962, for a return showing the total 
amount of election expenses on behalf of each candidate in the general election 
of June 18, 1962, by constituencies, as indicated in the return respecting election 
expenses submitted by the official agent of each candidate, as required under 
the provisions of section 63 of the Canada Elections Act; and showing also the 
names of any candidates, by constituencies, on whose behalf election expense 
returns have not been submitted. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 1). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 
1962, (Question No. 476) showing: Has the government received, since 1957, 
any formal submissions from the Government of British Columbia for a con- 
tribution toward extension of the Pacific and Great Eastern Railway from 
Prince George to Fort St. John and Dawson Creek and, if so, when were these 
made, what sum was sought, and what action was taken? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 14, 
1962, (Question No. 648) showing: In the case of war veterans having overseas 
service, has the government received representations to waive the 25-year 
residence clause for old age pensioners who wish to remain outside Canada for 
more than six months and, if so, from whom have representations been received, 
and what reply was made? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 19, 
1962, (Question No. 692) showing: 1. What is the total amount paid to the 
Sydney and Louisburg Railway Company by the federal government under 
the provisions of the Maritime Freight Rates Act from 1927 until 1961? 

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2. What is the total amount paid to the Cumberland Railway and Coal 
Company by the federal government under the provisions of the Maritime 
Freight Rates Act from 1927 to 1961? 

3. What is the total amount of rail and freight subsidies paid to the Sydney 
and Louisburg Railway Company from 1935 until 1961? 

4. What is the total amount of the railway and freight subsidies paid to 
the Cumberland Railway and Coal Company from 1935 until 1961? 

5. What is the present percentage rate of rebate under the provisions of 
the Maritime Freight Rates Act? 

6. What was the highest rate of rebates since the inception of the Act? 

7. Was the Sydney and Louisburg Railway Company on record as having 
a contributory retirement pension plan in effect for its employees? 

8. Is the Cumberland Railway and Coal Company on record as having a 
contributory retirement pension plan in effect for its employees? 

9. Does the Cumberland Railway Company receive any other financial 
assistance from the federal government in addition to freight rebates and rail 
subventions and, if so, in what form and in what amounts? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 19, 
1962, (Question No, 741) showing: 1. (a) What are the sick leave provisions 
for classified civil servants (b) how many days per year may a classified civil 
servant be absent from work due to illness or injury without loss of pay (c) 
what is the provision with respect to each first day of absence due to illness 
or injury in the case of a classified civil servant? 

2. (a) What are the sick leave provisions for prevailing rate employees in 
the public service? (b) how many days per year may a prevailing rate employee 
be absent from work due to illness or injury without loss of pay? (c) what is 
the provision with respect to each first day of absence due to illness or injury 
in the case of a prevailing rate employee? 

3. What steps have been taken to give to prevailing rate employees the 
same sick leave provisions granted to classified civil servants, and, if such 
steps have not been taken, will the matter receive consideration? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 19, 
1962, {^Question No. 793) showing: 1. Has the government taken a decision 
with regard to the servicing of dependants of Armed Services personnel of the 
Atlantic Provinces by "Maritime Medical Care" and, if so, what is the govern- 
ment's policy in this regard? 

2. Have representations been received from "Maritime Medical Care'* 
requesting the status presently enjoyed by the government-sponsored Group 
Medical Insurance Plan? 

3. Has "Maritime Medical Care" (a) access to bases, depots and ships for 
new enrolment purposes (b) pay assignment privileges for "Maritime Medical 
Care" premiums for new members (c) government participation in premium 
costs? 

4. Did the government give consideration to adopting a policy applicable 
to all plans in which government personnel wish to enrol and, if so, what is the 
government's policy in this regard? 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 29th NOVEMBER 339 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 26, 
1962, (Question No. 868) showing: 1. On what date did the policy of allowing 
double depreciation in respect of capital expenditures in areas of chronic 
unemployment, announced by the Minister of Finance on December 20, 1960, 
come into effect? 

2. On what section of what statute is this allowance based? 

3. What areas in the Atlantic Provinces have been designated as chronic 
unemployment areas? 

4. What companies in each of those areas have applied for the double 
depreciation incentive? 

5. Which of these applications have been refused? 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Revised Capital 
Budgets of Eldorado Mining and Refining Limited, Northern Transportation 
Company Limited, and Eldorado Aviation Limited, for the year ending Decem- 
ber 31, 1962, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1962- 
1658, dated November 22, 1962, approving same. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 30th NOVEMBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Pearson, moved, — ^That this House 
extend to the Right Honourable Sir Winston Churchill, K.G., O.M., M.P., its 
warmest congratulations on this his eighty-eighth Birthday anniversary. 

And the question being put on the said proposed resolution, it was 
unanimously adopted. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before 
the House, — Copy of a letter, dated November 27, 1962, from the Premier of 
Manitoba to the Prime Minister of Canada concerning the proposed amendment 
to section 94A of the British North America Act respecting old age and related 
pensions, together with a copy of a resolution adopted on March 28, 1962, by 
the Manitoba Legislative Assembly signifying concurrence in the proposed 
amendment. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said letter and resolution 
be printed as an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 

Mr. Badanai, seconded by Mr. Mitchell, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-88, An Act to amend the Canadian Citizenship Act (Grant of Certificate), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 

Mr. Berger, seconded by Mr. Scott, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-89, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Peaceful Picketing), which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



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The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-9, An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western 
Canada. — Mr. More. 

Bill S-10, An Act to incorporate The Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of 
Taras Shevchenko. — Mr. Mandziuk. 

Bill S-13, An Act to incorporate Baptist Convention of Ontario and 
Quebec. — Mr. Bradley. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-376, An Act for the relief of Anna Annette Brahmi. 

Bill SD-377, An Act for the relief of Therese Beaulieu. 

Bill SD-378, An Act for the relief of Elaine Redmond. 

Bill SD-379, An Act for the relief of Daniel Gaston Jules Caron. 

Bill SD-380, An Act for the relief of Werner Burke Michelsen. 

Bill SD-381, An Act for the relief of Patricia Marjorie Maisonet. 

Bill SD-382, An Act for the relief of Juliana Magdelene Ashley. 

Bill SD-383, An Act for the relief of James Coade. 

Bill SD-384, An Act for the relief of Franklin Dale Hufford. 

Bill SD-385, An Act for the relief of Laurier Allain. 

Bill SD-386, An Act for the relief of Paul Orlivsky. 

Bill SD-387, An Act for the relief of Jethro Garland Crocker. 

Bill SD-388, An Act for the relief of Bernice Bordensky. 

Bill SD-389, An Act for the relief of Armand Gauthier. 

Bill SD-390, An Act for the relief of Doreen Klara Culmer. 

Bill SD-391, An Act for the relief of Margaret Rose McDuff. 

Bill SD-392, An Act for the relief of Marie Celine Pierrette Lapointe. 

Bill SD-393, An Act for the relief of Robert Inglis, junior. 

Bill SD-394, An Act for the rehef of Gertrude Lindener. 

Bill SD-395, An Act for the relief of Patricia Sabetta. 

Bill SD-396, An Act for the relief of Pierre Lacasse. 

Bill SD-397, An Act for the relief of Edna Anne MacPherson. 

Bill SD-398, An Act for the relief of Willa Keith Thomson. 

Bill SD-399, An Act for the relief of Geralde Lalonde. 

Bill SD-400, An Act for the relief of Monique Mercure. 

Bill SD-401, An Act for the relief of Marie Aline Martine France. 

Bill SD-402, An Act for the relief of Elsie Clifford. 



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The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Mandziuk, were deemed to have 
been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)1 

{Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-22, An Act to amend 
the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development Act (Indian Reserves) ; 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Mandziuk, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private 
BiUs, presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-7, An Act to incorporate The 
Christian Brothers of Ireland in Canada, and has agreed to report it without 
amendment. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House (English and French): 

(1) Text of a resolution on the Co-ordination of Trade and Aid Policy, 
adopted by the Ministerial Council of the Organization for Economic Co-opera- 
tion and Development, on November 27, 1962; 

(2) Press communique, dated November 28, 1962, issued following the 
meeting of the Ministerial Council of the O.E.C.D. in Paris on November 27 
and 28, 1962; and 

(3) Statement to the Press Conference made in Paris, November 28, 1962, 
by The Honourable Donald M. Fleming of Canada, Chairman of the Ministerial 
Council of the O.E.C.D. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Rouleau be substituted for that of Mr. Rondeau on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

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346 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH U 

Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Richard, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Bilingualism), which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That a Special Committee be appointed to consider and report upon (a) the 
law and practices relating to the control of the introduction, marketing and use 
of drugs; and (b) the dangers arising from contamination of food by the use of 
chemicals to kill weeds, insects and other pests; 

That the Committee consist of 15 Members to be designated by the House; 

That the Committee be empowered to send for persons and papers and to 
report from time to time; 

That the Committee be empowered to sit during the sittings of the House; 

That the Committee have power to print such papers and evidence from 
day to day as may be deemed advisable; and 

That Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto. — The Minister of 
National Health and Welfare. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 642, by Mr. Carter, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What is the total number of passengers carried on the C.N.R. in New- 
foundland between November 1 and May 31 inclusive each year during the past 
5 years? 

2. How many (a) first-class trains (b) second-class trains (c) third-class 
trains, were operated between the same dates in the same period? 

3. How many (a) first-class cars (b) second-class cars (c) third-class cars, 
were included in each train? 

4. If trains were mixed, what was the average number of first-class, 
second-class, and third-class cars included in each train? 

5. How many pullman passengers were carried each year during the dates 
set forth in part 1 above, and how many pullman cars were employed for this 
purpose? 

Question No. 742, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Has section 19 of the Immigration Act, Chapter 325 of the Revised 
Statutes of Canada, 1952, been examined in the light of section 2, sub-sections 
(a) and (b), of the Canadian Bill of Rights, Chapter 44 of the Statutes of 
Canada, 1960, and if so, by whom, and what is the result of such examination? 

2. Is consideration being given to the proposing of changes in section 19 of 
the Immigration Act? 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 3rd DECEMBER 347 

Question No. 791, by Mr. Thompson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Does the government maintain any list or lists of "preferred con- 
tractors" for use in the placing of contracts for goods to be supplied to, or work 
to be performed for, the government, and, if so, what are the qualifications for 
a person or company to be included in such a list? 

Question No. 924, by Mr. Dube, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Has the Board of Broadcast Governors, and/or its Chairman and/or the 
Department of Transport, carried out studies of the preferences of Canadians, 
when they have a choice, between television programmes of Canadian or 
United States origin and, if so (a) what were their findings (b) what percen- 
tage of the Canadian population already receives television programmes origi- 
nating from the United States? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 960, by Mr. Davis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What Crown Corporations, Government Boards, and other similar govern- 
ment agencies, not directly under departmental authority, are actively func- 
tioning at the present time? 

Question No. 975, by Mr. McMillan, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many winter works projects have been approved, undertaken or 
completed during 1962 to date? 

2. What is the total cost to the federal government? 

3. What is the list of these projects, by municipalities, showing the alloca- 
tion of costs for each project between the municipalities, federal government, 
and any provincial authority? 

Question No. 981, by Mr. Ethier, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Has the federal government title to any property fronting on the Ottawa 
River between the City of Ottawa and the Carillon Dam? 

2. Has the federal government any responsibility for lands fronting on the 
Ottawa River? 

3. Did the federal government enter into any agreement with the Govern- 
ments of the Provinces of Ontario and Quebec with respect to the Carillon Dam 
development? 

4. If so, has the federal government any financial responsibility for damage 
to property fronting on the Ottawa River resulting from operations connected 
with the Carillon Dam development? 

Question No. 997, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, has any plywood been pur- 
chased for or sent to the Fort St. John Indian Agency and, if so, how much, 
at what cost, and from whom was it purchased and to whom was it sent? 

2. With respect to each such shipment or purchase, how much was used, 
by whom and for what purpose, and has any disappeared or not been used 
and, if so, how much in each case? 

3. If any has "disappeared", what steps have been taken to locate it and 
deal with its "disappearance"? 

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348 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Question No. 998, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, has any barbed or other type 
of wire or wire fencing been purchased for or sent to the Fort St. John Indian 
Agency, and, if so, what volume of wire, by type, at what cost and from whom 
was it purchased, and to whom was it sent? 

2. "With respect to each such shipment or purchase, how much was used, 
by whom and for what purpose, and has any "disappeared" or not been used 
and, if so, how much in each case? 

3. If any has "disappeared" what steps have been taken to locate it and 
deal with its "disappearance"? 



Question No. 999, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, has any farm machinery been 
purchased for or sent to the Fort St. John Indian Agency and, if so, how many 
of what types of machinery, and at what cost and from whom was it purchased, 
and to whom was it sent? 

2. Was any instruction given to Indians in the said Agency in the use of 
this machinery and, if so, to whom, by whom, and on what dates? 

3. Has any of the machinery been put to use and, to what extent? 



Question No. 1,000, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, has any power-saw or saws 
been purchased for, or sent to, the Fort St. John Indian Agency and, if so, what 
number, at what cost, and from whom were they purchased and to whom were 
they sent? 

2. Do the records of the Indian Agency or any other section of the Indian 
Affairs Branch indicate to whom each saw was provided and has any inquiry 
or investigation been made to determine whether or not the saws actually got 
into the possession of the person for whom each was destined, and, if so, what 
has been the result of that investigation and what action has been taken or is 
contemplated as a result thereof? 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to amend the Freight Rates Reduction Act; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (S)"] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Rapp, seconded by Mr. Nasserden, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should consider the advisability of amending the Unem- 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 3rd DECEMBER 349 

ployment Insurance Act so that seasonal farm labourers would receive benefits 
similar to those paid at the present time to seasonal fishermen. — (Notice of 
Motion No. 13). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Freight Rates Reduction Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
Freight Rates Reduction Act to extend for not more than twelve months the 
period during which the revised rates under the said Act shall be applicable 
and to increase the authorized expenditure under the Act by an additional 
twenty million dollars. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Monteith, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Freight Rates Reduction Act, which was read 
the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-59, An Act to 
approve an Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Govern- 
ment of the Province of Ontario respecting Public Harbours; 

Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Monteith, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to amend the Aeronautics Act. 

(In the Comm,ittee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
Aeronautics Act to authorize the Minister of Transport to establish boards of 
inquiry to investigate aircraft accidents, to give such boards the necessary 



350 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

power to carry out their functions and to provide for the expenses of witnesses 
appearing before these boards, and to provide further for certain changes in 
connection with the administration of the Act. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Aeronautics Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a 
certain proposed resolution concerning the construction by Canadian National 
Railway Company of a line of railway in the Province of New Brunswick. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to authorize and 
provide for the construction of a line of railway in the Province of New Bruns- 
wick, by Canadian National Railway Company, from Nepisiguit Junction for a 
distance of 15 miles to the property of Brunswick Mining and Smelting Cor- 
poration Limited, at a total estimated expenditure of $1,450,000, not to be 
exceeded by more than fifteen per cent; to authorize the issue by the said Rail- 
way Company of securities that may be guaranteed by Her Majesty in right of 
Canada to finance the construction of the said line; and in order that the said 
Railway Company may forthwith proceed with the construction of the said line 
of railway, to authorize temporary loans to the said Railway Company out of 
the Consolidated Revenue Fund upon terms and conditions prescribed by the 
Governor in Council and secured by securities of the said Railway Company. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Balcer, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-93, An Act respecting the Construction of a line of railway in the 
Province of New Brunswick by Canadian National Railway Company from 
Nepisiguit Junction on the Bathurst Subdivision of the Canadian National 
Railway in a southerly and westerly direction for a distance of approximately 
15 miles to the property of Brunswick Mining and Smelting Corporation 
Limited, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



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The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau, 
seconded by Mr. Churchill, — That Bill C-64, An Act to amend the Coal Pro- 
duction Assistance Act, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and ordered for 
consideration in Committee of the Whole at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
November 28, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, — Summary of Orders in Council passed during the 
month of November, 1962. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Twentieth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioner has complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

The Imperial Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation changing its name in French from "Compagnie Canadienne 
d'assurance sur la vie I'lmperiale" to "L'Imperiale, compagnie d' Assurance- 
Vie". 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Macnaughton, from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, pre- 
sented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation 
thereto; 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (e) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Macnaughton, seconded by 
Mr. Grouse, the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Lewis be substituted for that of Mr. Prittie on the Sessional 
Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Fisher be substituted for that of Mr. Knowles on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act, was read the third 
time and passed. 



354 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a 
certain proposed resolution to establish an Atlantic Development Board; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 {S)"] 

{Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-14, An Act respecting 
Merit Insurance Company; 

Mr. Macnaughton, seconded by Mr. Matheson, moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



Bill S-7, An Act to incorporate The Christian Brothers of Ireland in 
Canada, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amend- 
ment, read the third time and passed. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill SD-12, An Act for the 
relief of Alethea Sarah Ivy Fowler; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The honourable Member for Skeena (Mr. Howard) having referred to and 
discussed the printed evidence taken by the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce; 

POINT OF ORDER 

Mr. Speaker: In so far as the question of what may be discussed at this 
time is concerned, I think it is clear that there is before us a bill which 
proposes that the marriage on a certain date between certain parties should be 
dissolved, as indicated in the preamble. That is the principle of the bill. If the 
honourable Member for Skeena (Mr. Howard) can show me the difference 
between going into considerable detail as to whether there ever was a marriage, 
by looking at the evidence, and whether there was any adultery, by going to 
the evidence, I should be glad to hear him, but I have some difficulty in 
distinguishing them. Certainly, the question of proof of either of these things 
is not, I submit, for the consideration of the House at this stage. They will be, 
ultimately, through the Committee, but not on second reading. If the principle 
of this bill, that this marriage be dissolved, does not meet with the approval 
of the House, then the thing is to vote on that point so as to decide one way 



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or another in this particular instance without reference to the evidence behind 
it but bearing in mind what is the difference between a Private and a Public 
Bill on second reading. 

And debate arising on the point of order; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: It seems to me that there is a misapprehension as to the 
difference between second reading of a Public Bill and of a Private Bill. 

I would also place this point before certain honourable Members who have 
spoken — perhaps there are others — who may not have an appreciation of the 
functions involved and what is going to happen to this bill or bills of a similar 
type if they should receive second reading. There is a Miscellaneous Private 
Bills Committee in which this bill can be studied. If honourable Members will 
either become members of that Committee or attend the meetings of that 
Committee, as others have done, they will learn what can be done at that 
Committee. If its members are not satisfied, they may request that the witnesses 
be called and examined, as has been done by that Committee. That is the 
purpose of having the bill referred to the Committee and why it is not dis- 
cussed here in the House. 

It is on that basis that I am of the opinion that on second reading it is 
improper to discuss any of the evidence. It is only proper to discuss the principle 
of the bill. Shall there be or shall there not be a divorce or relief as sought 
in the bill? Appreciating as I do the nature of the second reading of a Private 
Bill as indicated in citations 482 and 483 in Beauchesne (4th Edition), which 
furthermore has been the practice of this House for years and has been accepted 
by all, I would point out that it is acceptance in principle only, with the bill 
being referred to the Committee for greater study. 

That is what my ruling is. If honourable Members find the principle of the 
bill repugnant, they may seek to defeat the bill, but only on the basis of prin- 
ciple and not by going into the evidence. Reference was made a few moments 
ago to another Private Bill. It would have been equally meritorious, I would 
suggest, to seek to have the honourable Member who presented the bill put 
before the House the certificate of incorporation of the company or other docu- 
mentation of the company. This is not done on second reading in this House. It 
may be done in the Committee. That is what I propose to rule, and I so rule. 



And the question being put on the motion, — That Bill SD-12, An Act for 
the relief of Alethea Sarah Ivy Fowler, be now read a second time; it was 
agreed to on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Byrne, 


Crestohl, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Aiken, 


Cadieu, 


Crouse, 


Revelstoke), 


Alkenbrack, 


Cardiff, 


Davis, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Baldwin, 


Carter, 


Dinsdale, 


Carleton), 


Baskin, 


Casselman OVErs.) 


, Doucett, 


Forbes, 


Beer, 


Chaplin, 


Drury, 


Forgie, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Churchill, 


Enns, 


Garland, 


Bell (Saint John- 


Clancy, 


Fairclough (Mrs.), 


Gray, 


Albert), 


Clunis, 


Fairweather, 


Green, 


Bigg, 


Coates, 


Fane, 


Grills, 


Bradley, 


Cooper, 


Fleming (Eglinton), 


Gundlock, 


Brown, 


Cowan, 




Hales. 



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Halpenny, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Skoreyko, 


Hanbidge, 


Macnaughton, 


Munro, 


Slogan, 


Harkness, 


MacRae, 


Nasserden, 


Smallwood, 


Harley, 


McBain, 


Nesbitt, 


Smith 


Hellyer, 


Mcllraith, 


Nicholson, 


(Simcoe North), 


Hodgson, 


Mcintosh, 


Noble, 


Southam, 


Honey, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Nugent, 


Starr, 


Horner 


McPhillips, 


Ormiston, 


Stefanson, 


(The Battlefords), 


Mandziuk, 


Pascoe, 


Stenson, 


Howe, 


Matheson, 


Patterson, 


Thomas, 


Jones, 


Millar, 


Pennell, 


Thompson, 


Jorgenson, 


Mitchell, 


Pickersgill, 


Tucker, 


Kennedy, 


Monteith, 


Pugh, 


Wahn, 


Kindt, 


Moore, 


Rapp, 


Walker, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


More, 


Rowe, 


Webb, 


Macdonald 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Rynard, 


Weichel, 


(Rosedale), 


North and 


Sams, 


Winkler, 


MacEwan, 


Victoria), 


Simpson, 


Woolliams— 111. 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Berger, 


Herridge, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Peters, 


Brewin, 


Howard, 


Mather, 


Scott, 


Douglas, 


Lewis, 


Orlikow, 


Winch— 12. 



Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to establish an Atlantic Development Board. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish an 
Atlantic Development Board and to define the duties thereof, to provide for 
the appointment of the chairman and other members of the Board and for the 
payment of certain expenses of the members thereof, to provide for the appoint- 
ment of an executive director of the Board and for the payment of his remu- 
neration, to provide further that the Board may engage the services of such 
advisers and staff as may be necessary to enable it to carry out its duties and 
to provide further for other related and incidental matters. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Flemming ( Victoria- Carleton), seconded by Mr. Hees, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-94, An Act to provide for the establishment of an 
Atlantic Development Board, which was read the first time and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1962 TUESDAY, 4th DECEMBER 357 

The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to amend the National Productivity Council Act, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to an 
Order of the House, dated November 28, 1962, for a copy of any legal opinion 
or opinions given by the Department of Justice or any other counsel consulted 
concerning the jurisdiction of the BBG or its ruling about the Grey Cup broad- 
cast. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 42). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — ^Return to an Order of the House, dated November 28, 
1962, (Question No. 711) showing: For each of the last ten years, and for 
■each province (a) how many tenders were called for transportation of mails 
(b) how many contracts were changed? 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 5th DECEMBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Mandziuk, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Third Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-8, An Act respecting The Trustee 
Board of The Presbyterian Church in Canada, and has agreed to report it without 
amendment. 

Your Committee has also considered the following bills and has agreed to 
report them without amendment. 

Bill SD-1, An Act for the relief of Madeleine-Francoise Hankowski. 

Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Bruce Reid Campbell. 

Bill SD-4, An Act for the relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins. 

Bill SD-5, An Act for the relief of Marion Ruth Catherine Slattery. 

Bill SD-6, An Act for the relief of Sonja Bagry. 

Bill SD-8, An Act for the relief of Franz Zeitlhofer. 

Bill SD-9, An Act for the relief of John Harman. 

Bill SD-10, An Act for the relief of Esther Wertheimer. 

Bill SD-11, An Act for the relief of Rachela Zimber. 

Your Committee returns herewith the evidence and papers transmitted by 
the Senate to this House in relation to the above-mentioned divorce Bills. 



Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Exchange of correspondence, during the period February 22 to April 2, 
1962, between the Prime Minister of Canada and the Premier of the Province 
of Quebec concerning University Grants. (French). 



360 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Bernier and Gregoire be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Plourde and Leboe on the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Drury and McNulty be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Teillet and Garland on the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Tele- 
graph Lines. 



Mr. Berger, seconded by Mr. Mather, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-95, An Act to provide for Free Transportation on the Railways of Canada 
for Senior Citizens, which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-96, An Act to amend the Canadian Bill of Rights, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provisions 
of Standing Order 39(4) : 

Question No. 795, by Mr. Berger, — Order of the House for a Return showing: 
1. Is the publication, called "Canadian Intelligence Service", emanating from 
Flesherton, Ontario, an official publication of the Government of Canada? 

2. If not (a) has the government received any protests concerning the use 
of this title for a non-governmental publication (b) has the government any 
control over the use of such titles by non-governmental publications (c) does 
the government endeavour to discourage the use of such titles by non-govern- 
mental publications? 



Question No. 922, by Mr. Cameron (High Park), — Order of the House for 
a Return showing: 1. How many National Housing Act loans have been 
processed through the Toronto Branch, Scarborough Branch, and Weston Branch 
Office of Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation in 1962? 

2. What was their total value? 

3. How many loans were processed in 1961, 1960, and 1959? 

4. What lawyers handled these loans for Central Mortgage and Housing 
Corporation in each of these years, and what were their fees? 



Question No. 970, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return showing: 
In each year since 1950, what has been the volume of (a) private capital (b) 
social capital, invested in each of the provinces? 



Question No. 1,003, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Upon what date was the land acquired for the settlement of the Fort 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 5th DECEMBER 361 

Nelson Indians near Muskwa at or near Mile 295 of the Alaska Highway, and is 
there a military camp or establishment at that location and, if so, how many 
men are stationed at it? 

2. Were some or all of these Indians previously living on or near a so- 
called traditional reserve named "The Old Fort" and, if so, how far distant is 
"The Old Fort" from the present settlement near Muskwa? 

3. Who initiated the proposal to move these Indians and upon what date 
was that proposal made? 

4. During the time that he was Superintendent of the Fort St. John Indian 
Agency, did Mr. Galibois, by himself or in conjunction with any other person, 
buy, stake, or otherwise gain control over any land on or near the so-called 
traditional reserve and, if so, has the government reviewed the circumstances 
under which the land was so purchased? 



Question No. 1,026, by Mr. Gregoire, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Since 1919, how many conventions adopted by the International 
Labour Organization has Canada approved and what were they? 

2. What International Labour Organization conventions have not been ap- 
proved, and what are the grounds in each case for withholding approval? 

3. Has the Canadian Government invited provincial government representa- 
tives to act as delegates to International Labour Organization conferences? 

4. If so, when, and who were the delegates and, if not, for what reason? 

Mr. Hales, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 1,028, by Mr. Boutin, — ^Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. In the 1962-63 Estimates, what federal public works were provided 
for Dorchester constituency? 

2. What are the federal works presently proceeding in Dorchester con- 
stituency, and what is the amount of money involved in the execution of these 
works? 

3. Has the Prime Minister received representations concerning the can- 
cellation of public works projects in Dorchester constituency and, if so, what was 
the nature of such representations and by whom were they made? 

4. Does the government intend to act on any representations received 
recommending the cancellation of any public works in Dorchester constituency? 



Question No. 1,036, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: In the City of Vancouver (a) how many properties are leased or rented 
by the Government of Canada and all its agencies (b) in 1961, what total rents 
were paid on all the properties and (c) in 1961, what total rent was paid by the 
C.B.C.? 



Question No. 1,047, by Mr. Pickersgill, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. How much has been spent since April 1, 1957, in each fiscal year, 
on research into Indian Affairs? 

2. What research projects have been carried out since April 1, 1957? 

3. What steps have been taken as the result of these research projects? 



362 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Godin, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of any letter or letters from the Canadian 
Association of University Teachers to the government since January 1, 1962 
respecting security investigations as they presently affect Association members. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 49). 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 50 and 54) having 
been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 

On motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Lewis, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between the govern- 
ment and persons or organizations relative to the establishment of a local 
advisory committee to the Vancouver Harbour Master. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 51). 

On motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Lewis, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between the govern- 
ment and persons or organizations relative to the establishment of a Eraser 
River Port Authority, or an enlarged New Westminster Harbour Board, to 
replace the existing New Westminster Harbour Board. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 52). 

On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all communications received by the 
government or any member thereof since July 8, 1961, regarding the recom- 
mendation of the Joint Committee on Indian Affairs that "Indian Affairs should 
be the subject of a Dominion-Provincial Conference in order that such matters 
may be transferred to provincial jurisdiction as may be mutually acceptable to 
the Indian people, provincial and federal authorities"; together with copies of 
any replies made thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 55). 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-94, An Act to provide 
for the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board; 

Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 

lAt 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing 

Order 15(5)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Patterson, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should give immediate consideration to the setting 
up of a Department of Federal-Provincial Affairs under the direction of a full- 
time Minister. — (Notice of Motion No. 15). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 5th DECEMBER 363 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 24, 1962, for a copy of all communications 
addressed to the Food and Drug Directorate or to the Department of National 
Health and Welfare respecting the use, and the withdrawal from use, of the 
drug Lysergic acid diethylamide. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 22). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 31, 
1962, (Question No. 525) showing: Have any contracts been awarded to Cana- 
dian Aviation Electronics Ltd. of St. Laurent, Quebec, since July 1, 1957, and, 
if so, how many, what was the nature of each contract, and what was the amount 
of each such contract? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 26, 
1962, (* Question No. 835) showing: 1. What are the regulations of the Depart- 
ment of National Health and Welfare regarding the sale of chemical pesticides? 

2. What special measures are taken to protect the Canadian population 
from the highly dangerous organic phosphate group of chemicals used in pes- 
ticides? 

3. Does the Department of National Health and Welfare have a bureau of 
enforcement to see that these safety regulations are observed? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 28, 
1962, (Question No. 916) showing: 1. When was the system of rewards for 
information, leading to the arrest and conviction of persons having committed 
various offences against the Post Office Department and the mails, established? 

2. During each of the past five years (a) what were the amounts paid in 
the form of such rewards (b) to how many persons have these rewards been 
paid, and (c) how much did each receive? 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 6th DECEMBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Howe, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Tele- 
graph Lines, presented the Third Report of the said Committee, which is as 
follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill C-93, An Act respecting the Construc- 
tion of a line of railway in the Province of New Brunswick by Canadian 
National Railway Company from Nepisiguit Junction on the Bathurst Sub- 
division of the Canadian National Railway in a southerly and westerly direction 
for a distance of approximately 15 miles to the property of Brunswick Mining 
and Smelting Corporation Limited, and has agreed to report it without 
amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to this bill 
(Issue No. 2) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 3 to the Journals) 



Mr. Chaplin, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the Third Report of the said Committee which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-11, An Act respecting The Sovereign 
Life Assurance Company of Canada, and has agreed to report it with the 
following amendment: 

Clause 1 of the said bill is deleted and the following clause substituted 
therefor: 

1. The Company may use, in the transaction of its business, either 
the name The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada or the name 



366 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

La Souveraine, ^ompagnie d'Assurance-V.ie du Canada, or both names 
as and when it so elects. It may sue or be sued in either or both such 



names and any transaction, contract or obligation heretofore or hereafter 
entered into or incurred by the Company in either or both of the said 
names shall be valid and binding on the company. 
{NOTE: Changes are underlined). 

Your Committee has also considered Bill S-14, An Act respecting Merit 
Insurance Company, and has agreed to report it without amendment. 



Mr. Speaker presented a Report from the Joint Committee of both Houses 
on the Library of Parliament, which is as follows: 

Your Committee met on December 4, 1962, and begs to submit the follow- 
ing recommendations: — 

1. That the submissions presented to Treasury Board on 18 April, 1962, 
with respect to the following positions, be hereby approved effective April 1, 
1962: 

(a) that position LP-A-9, Library Accountant ($4,860-$5,400), be reclassi- 
fied as Library Administrative Officer ($5,460-$6,180); 

(b) that position LP-A-13, Library Clerk 3 ($4,200-$4,740), be reclassified 
as Library Supervising Clerk ($5,100-$5,640) ; 

(c) that Miss Barbara Brown, Cataloguing Librarian 1 ($4,560-$5,160), 
be promoted to Cataloguing Librarian 2 ($5,160-$5,940) ; 

(d) that Mr. F. P. Scriver, Library Clerk 2 ($3,870-$4,320), be promoted 
to Library Clerk 3 ($4,200-$4,740) at an initial salary of $4,380. 

2. That when Parliament is not in session, either through prorogation or 
dissolution, the Speaker of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Com- 
mons be authorized to deal jointly with appointments, up-gradings, promotions, 
and other matters relating to the staff of the Library of Parliament, and all 
other administrative matters, subject to ratification of both Houses of Parliament 
at the next ensuing session. 



On motion of Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Bell (Saint John- Albert), it 
was ordered, — That the name of Mr. Mcllraith be substituted for that of Mr. 
Stewart on the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Mr. Caouette, seconded by Mr. Marcoux, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-97, An Act to amend the Canadian National Railways Act (Salary of 
President), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Smith (Calgary South), seconded by Mr. More, by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-98, An Act to establish the Office of Parliamentary Com- 
missioner, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 6th DECEMBER 367 

Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr. Winch, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-99, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Remembrance Day), which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Flemming 
(Victoria-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, — That Bill C-94, An Act to 
provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board, be now read 
a second time. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m.j Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15{3)li 

[Notices of Motions iPapers)"] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before this House copies 
of correspondence or any documents exchanged between the Prime Minister and 
the Minister of Finance or any other Minister of the Crown and officers of the 
Department of Justice or the Privy Council or any other government depart- 
ment or agency on the subject of Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-902, 
dated June 24, 1962, and the amendment to the Surcharge and Imports Order, 
P.C. 1962-987, dated July 11, 1962, and the Import Control List as amended by 
P.C. 1962-903, dated June 24, 1962, with particular reference to the legality 
of such Orders. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 16). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Department of National 
Health and Welfare Act, without amendment. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-16, An Act respecting The Imperial Life Assurance Company of 
Canada. — Mr. Hellyer. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Flemming (Victoria- 
Carleton), seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, — That Bill C-94, An Act to provide for 
the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board, be now read a second 

time. 



368 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH U 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated November 26, 1962, {*Question No. 908) showing: 
1. Have any payments been made by the federal government to the Govern- 
ment of the Province of Quebec under the Technical and Vocational Train- 
ing Assistance Act and, if so, what amounts were paid and for what specific 
projects were such amounts paid? 

2. Was the federal government requested by representatives of the Gov- 
ernment of the Province of Quebec to make the said Act applicable to training 
centres under the jurisdiction of the provincial Department of Labour and, if 
so, what reply was given by the federal authorities, and on what grounds was 
such reply based? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 28, 
1962 (Question No. 940) showing: 1. What has been the disposal of the material 
on the site for the radar base at Neys, near Marathon, Ontario? 

2. If the material has been moved, where has it been put, who moved it, 
and what was the remuneration for moving it? 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Twenty-first Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Roger Bernard Angel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Yvonne 
Suzanne Boyer Angel. 

Iva Annett Baumgartner, wife of Peter Baumgartner of Montreal, Quebec. 

June Patricia Pain Brown, wife of Ronald Moir Brown of Montreal, Quebec. 

Eileen Myrtle Elliott Burns, wife of James Berkeley Burns of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie Marguerite Nicole Bisaillon Eraser, wife of Robert Eraser of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Boulay Gray, wife of Robert Gray of Montreal, Quebec. 

Harvey Stewart Wycliffe Goodwin of Westmount, Quebec, husband of 
Marilyn Thompson Fisher Goodwin. 

Lise Lamer Hogue, wife of Alain Hogue of Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Anne Basford Jones, wife of Eric Thomas Jones of Pierrefonds, 
Quebec. 

George Mantadakis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Paraskevi Dogatzi 
Mantadakis. 

Giovanni Pallotta of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gerarda Delia Zazzera 
Pallotta. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 6th DECEMBER 369 

Betty Lillian Reichert Patrick, wife of Allan Michael Patrick of LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Louise Phelps Perkins, wife of Alden Morse Perkins of Waterloo, Quebec. 

Yetta Alterovitch Pomerantz, wife of Morris Pomerantz of Hull, Quebec. 

Marion Fournier Richardson, wife of Gordon Richardson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

William Joseph Rowe of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Joan Pauline 
Miller Rowe. 

Millicent Vera Bratley Seagrove, wife of Anthony Naworth Seagrove of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Barbara Ann Bell Sobrian, wife of Merlyn Arnold Sobrian of Shawinigan 
Falls, Quebec. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.in. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Monteith, seconded by Mr. Hees, moved, — That a Special Committee 
be appointed to consider and report upon (a) the law and practices relating 
to the control of the introduction, marketing and use of drugs; and (b) the 
dangers arising from contamination of food by the use of chemicals to kill 
weeds, insects and other pests; 

That the Committee consist of 15 Members to be designated by the House; 

That the Committee be empowered to send for persons and papers and to 
report from time to time; 

That the Committee be empowered to sit during the sittings of the House; 

That the Committee have power to print such papers and evidence from 
day to day as may be deemed advisable; and 

That Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. Habel, moved in amendment 
thereto, — That the words "and cost" be added after the word "use" in part (a) 
of the first paragraph of the motion. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) raised 
a point of order to the effect that the amendment was irrelevant to the main 
motion; 

And debate arising on the point of order; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: On the matter of whether this amendment can be received 
at all, I would draw honourable Members' attention to Beauchesne's Fourth 

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Edition, citation 291, which reads as follows: "When the House is considering 
a motion, of which notice has been given, for the appointment of a select 
committee, a member cannot move in amendment that the committee be given 
wider powers than those which were set down in the notice." 

In addition, there is this dilemma that the Honourable Member for Essex 
East (Mr. Martin) faces. If in the word "marketing" there is included the 
question of cost, then the amendment is redundant. On the other hand, if it is 
not included in "marketing", he is seeking to widen the powers of the com- 
mittee and this is something the Honourable Member cannot do. He cannot 
seek to widen the powers of a committee. As a matter of fact the Minister, 
in presenting this motion, could not put forward an amendment to broaden 
the powers of a committee without the unanimous consent of the House. If the 
House gives unanimous consent, then, of course, that could be done. The powers 
are very limited here. 

I could give the Honourable Member many more citations and rulings by 
Speakers. There is one by Mr. Speaker Macdonald which appears in Journals 
for April 4, 1951, page 243. He ruled that "an amendment cannot be moved 
giving the committee wider powers than those which were set out in the Notice 
of Motion". Then, there is another ruling of Mr. Speaker Macdonald's on 
November 2, 1951, as contained in the Journals, page 67. He said, and I quote: 
"I might say at this time that if the Minister himself proposed an amendment 
which would widen the terms of the resolution I could not allow it to stand 
unless it was with the unanimous consent of the House." 

There were other rulings in 1952, as published in the Journals on page 240, 
again by Mr. Speaker Macdonald; in 1959, April 29, appearing in the Journals 
on page 361, a ruling by Mr. Speaker Michener. I cannot, therefore, accept the 
amendment. 



After further debate, the question being put on the main motion, it was 
agreed to. 



Bill C-94, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Develop- 
ment Board, was again considered in Committee of the Whole, and further 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



lAt 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-25, An Act to amend 
the Merchant Seamen Compensation Act; 

Mr. Carter, seconded by Mr. Laing, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated November 28, 1962, for a copy of the Pension Plan 
covering employees of Trans-Canada Air Lines. — {Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 48). 

By Mr. Halpenny, Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 
1962 {Question No. 291) showing: 1. What flights did each of the two Depart- 
ment of Transport Viscount aircraft make in the months of January, February, 
March, and April, of 1960, 1961, and 1962? 

2. What was the purpose of each flight? 

3. Who were the passengers in each case? 

By Mr. Halpenny, Return to an Order of the House, dated November 5, 
1962 {Question No. 403) showing: 1. How many aircraft, and of what type, 
are available from the Department of Transport for so-called VIP flights? 

2. When, and under what authority, were they purchased? 

3. Are these aircraft used by the Department for any other purpose and, if 
so, what? 

4. What VIP flights were made in 1962 by these aircraft, by whom, and 
what was their destination? 

5. How many VIP pilots and co-pilots are employed by the Department, 
and (a) what is the annual salary and qualifications of each (b) how many of 
such pilots and/or co-pilots were employed in 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961 and 
1962 (c) aside from piloting such flights, what are their other duties? 

6. Does the Department own a Lockheed "Jet Star" and, if so (a) when 
was it purchased (b) at what cost (c) for what purpose (d) what sum or sums 
have been expended to modify it (e) when {f) how many hours has it flown 
(g) what has been the purpose of these flights {h) how many passengers does 
it carry (i) what is the cost to the Department for one hour's flying time of this 
aircraft (j) has it ever been used for high-level calibration? 

By Mr. Halpenny, Return to an Order of the House, dated November 26, 
1962, {Question No. 759) showing: On January 1, 1890, and at each decennial 
anniversary thereafter, what was the rail freight rate in cents per 100 lbs. on 
the following items from shipping point to destination as indicated: (a) wheat 
(export and domestic), Winnipeg to Port Arthur (b) wheat (export and 
domestic), Winnipeg to Montreal (c) wheat (export and domestic), Regina to 
Vancouver (d) lumber, Vancouver to Toronto (e) lumber. Prince George to 
Buffalo (f) steel (sheet), Hamilton to Vancouver {g) coal, Jasper to Toronto 
(h) canned goods, Leamington to Vancouver (i) apples, Penticton to Toronto 
(j) farm machinery, Toronto to Regina? 



At 6.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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Prayers. 



Four petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, 
as follows: 

GEORGE P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Supplementary 
Estimates (B) of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1963, and, in accordance with the provisions of the British 
North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates 
to the House of Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 



On motion ot Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, the said Message 
and Supplementary Estimates (B) were referred to the Committee of Supply. 



On motion of Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. Balcer, the Report of the 
Joint Committee of both Houses on the Library of Parliament, presented to this 
House on Thursday, December 6th, 1962, was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Scott be substituted for that of Mr. Howard on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



376 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provisions 
of Standing Order 39(4) : 

Question No. 1,035, by Mr. MacEwan, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What agency or board of the government perfected the anti- 
submarine device known as Variable Depth Sonar? 

2. When was the device first used in ships of the Royal Canadian Navy? 

3. How does V.D.S. rank with similar anti-submarine devices used by 
other navies? 

4. What company manufactures the device? 

5. What are the names of the sub-contractors in the manufacture of V.D.S.? 

6. Has any attempt been made by the government through the Department 
of Defence Production to sell V.D.S. to other N.A.T.O. countries and, if so, what 
are the names of the countries and the results of such attempts? 

7. Is the government through the Department of Defence Production, con- 
tinuing its efforts for further sales to N.A.T.O. countries and, if so, to what 
countries? 



* Question No. 1,037, by Mr. Brewin, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Have any requests been received from the United Nations or any of 
its agencies for a contribution in foreign aid from Canada equivalent to one per 
cent of its national income and, if so, what has been the answer of the govern- 
ment to any such request? 

2. Has the United Nations or any of its agencies communicated to the Gov- 
ernment of Canada, goals recently adopted, for a decade of development and, 
if so, what are such goals, and what attitude has the Government of Canada 
taken to them? 

3. Has the Government received from the United States Agency for Inter- 
national Development any requests for an increase in donations for economic 
aid to under- developed countries? 

4. Has the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development urged 
Canada to re-assess its aid program, and what action, if any, has the Govern- 
ment taken about it? 

5. Have other economic aid institutions or specialists outside of Canada 
called for increased donations by Canada to under-developed countries and, if 
so, who are they, and what is the nature of their requests? 

Mr. Green, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — ^Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 1,041, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: In reference to the property commonly known as Boundary Bay Airport 
(a) what acreage is involved in this property (b) how many (i) air- 
dromes (ii) other permanent buildings are located there (c) what has 
been total capital cost of land, buildings and runways since 1940 
(d) how many miles of concrete and asphalt runways are installed (e) are 
the runways still suitable to carry planes of the type and weight for which Pitt 
Meadows airport is being prepared (f) to what use are (i) the land (ii) air- 



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dromes (iii) other permanent buildings, now being put (g) are there any 
Army operations there that could not be economically moved to another site 
(h) would small planes there present any hazard to operation of Vancouver 
International Airport (i) what was total return in 1961 of rental of the property 
for farm use? 

Question No. 1,063, by Mr. Laprise, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How much has been expended by the federal government on the Indian 
reservation at Weymontachie (near Sanmaur) each year since 1955? 

2. What is the name of the firm or firms which supply this Indian reserva- 
tion? 

Question No. 1,072, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What is (a) man hours of work (b) value of labour content, in each 
$10,000 of production of the following items in Canada: (i) automobiles (ii) 
wheat (iii) milk (iv) canned fruits and vegetables (v) house-building (vi) oil 
at well-head (vii) farm implements (viii) average lead-zinc production (ix) 
newsprint (x) plywood (xi) herring for reduction (xii) canned sockeye 
salmon? 

Question No. 1,073, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Following the successful launching of the Canadian satellite "Alouette" 
from the Pacific Missile Range on September 29, 1962: 

(1) To what extent have the measurement and telemetry systems in the 
satellite operated successfully since launching? 

(2) What new scientific information has so far been obtained from an 
analjT-sis of the data received from the satellite? 

(3) How many Canadian scientists and engineers were employed on the 
design, development, and testing of this satellite, and for what period of time? 

(4) What steps have been taken by the government through its Trade 
Commissions and other avenues to publicize this achievement outside Canada? 

(5) Are additional satellite experiments planned by the Defence Research 
Board or the National Research Council and, if so, at what time may the next 
launching be expected, and what functions will these future satellites be 
designed to perform? 

^Question No. 1,087, by Mr. Batten, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Is there a special living allowance paid to members of the Canadian 
Armed Forces stationed in certain areas in Newfoundland and, if so, what are 
the names of these areas? 

2. What was the amount of this allowance on January 1, 1962? 

3. Has there been any reduction in this allowance since January 1, 1962 
and, if so (a) how much was the reduction (b) at what date was the reduction 
effective? 

4. Are any further reductions in this allowance contemplated? 

Mr. Harkness, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,091, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Were experiments conducted at the British Columbia Penitentiary 
with the drug lysergic acid diethylamide and, if so, over what period of time, 
and with how many prisoners? 

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2. What results have been obtained in the cases of (a) alcoholics (b) drug 
addicts (c) sexual perversion prisoners and (d) obsessive compulsive prisoners? 

3. What results have been reported to the Food and Drug Directorate, 
Department of National Health and Welfare, by research clinics with respect 
to the usefulness of L.S.D. in the treatment of alcoholism? 

4. What harmful results attributed to L.S.D. prompted its withdrawal by 
the Food and Drug Directorate? 

5. Have communications, protesting the decision to withdraw lysergic acid 
diethylamide from sale or distribution, been received from psychiatric or 
research institutions, medical groups, or physicians and, if so, how many? 

Question No. 1,105, by Mr. Tucker, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What rates of special allowances were paid to military personnel 
and R.C.M.P. to offset the cost of living in the Province of Newfoundland in 
1948? 

2. What were the rates of such allowances in 1952, 1956, and 1962? 

Question No. 1,114, by Mr. Mc William, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What is the total population and number of families residing on each 
of the Indian Reserves of the Miramichi Indian Agency located in Northum- 
berland County, New Brunswick? 

2. (a) What is the acreage held for each of the Indian Reserves of Red 
Bank, Burnt Church, and Eel Ground in Northumberland County, New Bruns- 
wick, where are these tracts of land located, and what is the respective acreage 
(b) what portion of these lands, by individual Reserves, is considered produc- 
tive for saw-logs, pulpwood or other forest products (c) what are the quantities 
of forest products produced off these lands, by individual Reserves, for each 
year 1955 to 1961 inclusive? 



Bill C-94, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Develop- 
ment Board, was again considered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Berger, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give consideration to the advisability of estab- 
lishing a Canadian Youth Service to enable qualified young Canadians to go 
abroad to provide scientific, technical, humanitarian and cultural assistance 
to peoples requiring such assistance and in particular: 

(1) To enroll volunteers in the said Service qualified in scientific, pro- 
fessional and technical fields; 

(2) To provide for the training of volunteers in the said Service; 

(3) To provide for the placement of volunteers in countries requesting 
such volunteers; 



A.D. 1962 MONDAY, 10th DECEMBER 379 

(4) To provide for living allowances for volunteers while abroad and 
for payment of gratuities upon termination of their service. 
— (Notice of Motion No. 16). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Valade, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Drury be substituted for that of Mr. Rouleau on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-94, 
An Act to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board, 
and further progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained 
leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
President, and Statement of Accounts certified by the Auditors, of the Industrial 
Development Bank for the year ended September 30, 1962, pursuant to section 
29(4) of the Industrial Development Bank Act, chapter 151, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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Prayers. 



Bill C-94, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Develop- 
ment Board, was again considered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 



At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 
[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting The Trustee Board of The Presbyterian Church 
in Canada, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amend- 
ment, read the third time and passed. 

By unanimous consent, Order No. 11 was given precedence. 

Whereupon Bill S-11, An Act respecting The Sovereign Life Assurance 
Company of Canada (as amended by the Standing Committee on Banking and 
Commerce)^ was considered in Committee of the Whole, and progress having 
been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again 
at the next sitting of the House. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



382 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-94, 
An Act to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board, 
which was reported with an amendment, considered as amended, and ordered 
for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, Return to an 
Order of the House, dated November 26, 1962, {* Question No. 860) showing: 
Since the compiling of Sessional Paper No. 230, have any persons other than 
those named therein, who were candidates in the federal election of June 18, 
1962, and were defeated, been appointed by the federal government to positions 
to which emoluments or allowances are attached and, if so, what are their 
names, their positions and their emoluments or allowances? 

By Mr. Halpenny, Return to an Order of the House, dated November 28, 
1962, (Question No. 918) showing: 1. How many members of the Armed Forces 
have been retired on pension under the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act? 

2. Of those retired, how many draw pensions of (a) over $1,000 per year 
(b) over $3,000 per year (c) over $5,000 per year and (d) over $7,000 per 
year? 

3. Is there at present an actuarial deficiency in the Canadian Forces 
Superannuation Account and, if so (a) what is the amount of such deficiency 
and (b) does the government contemplate a charge to budgetary expenditure 
to eliminate the deficiency? 

By Mr. Halpenny, Return to an Order of the House, dated November 26, 
1962, (Question No. 920) showing: 1. In each year since 1950, what has been 
the (a) value (b) tonnage, of all grades of feed screenings exported from 
Canada? 

2. In the same years, what has been the value and tonnage of feed 
screenings sold for livestock consumption in Canada? 

3. Has the Department of Agriculture encouraged the retention of this 
feedstuff in Canada and, if so, by what means? 

By Mr. MacLean (Queens), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report of the Fisheries Research Board of Canada for the year ended March 
31, 1962. (English and French). 

Twenty-fifth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, filed after November 8th, 1962, and presented on 
December 10th by Mr. Mandziuk, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70. 
However, these petitions were not filed within the time limit specified by 
Standing Order 93: 

Norman Hart Bureau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeline Georgina 
Mary Felmingham Bureau. 

Mallie Fanny Kac Newman, wife of Oscar Newman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rosi Irma Koetke Parrouty, wife of Andre Parrouty of Montreal, Quebec. 

Donat Theriault of Ste-Therese-de-Blainville, Quebec, husband of Lady 
Anne Turgeon Theriault. 



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At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr, 
Fleming (Eglinton), it was ordered, — That the Reports of the Canada Council 
for the fiscal years ended March 31, 1961 and March 31, 1962, laid before the 
House on July 1, 1961 and October 10, 1962 respectively, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on Public Accounts in order to provide for a review thereof 
pursuant to section 23 of the Canada Council Act. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. MacLean 
(Queens), it was ordered, — That the Public Accounts, Volumes I, II, and III, 
and the Report of the Auditor General for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1961, 
and the financial statements of the Canada Council for the fiscal years ended 
March 31, 1961 and 1962, and the Reports of the Auditor General thereon, be 
referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



Mr. Fulton, seconded by Mr. Monteith, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the National Housing 
Act, 1954 to extend for an additional two years the period within which the 
construction of a sewage treatment project in respect of which a loan has been 
or is to be made must be completed if the municipality or municipal corporation 
is to be granted a reduction of indebtedness. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



386 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

* Question No. 1,034, by Mr. Badanai, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: How many Immigration Offices are there where applicants are 
examined and (a) what is the location of each (b) what is the number of 
appHcations on file in each? 

* Question No. 1,040, by Mr. Laing, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Have veterans' applications for loans under section 65 and reference to 
section 64 of the Veterans Land Act been refused to residents of the Cora Brown 
Subdivision, Sea Island? 

2. What number of properties in this Subdivision have already been nego- 
tiated for, or expropriated, for Airport extension? 

3. What total payment has been made for the properties acquired? 

4. Is it the intention of the Department of Veterans Affairs to acquire all 
the properties in the Subdivision? 

5. Are improvement loans being refused on the balance of the properties 
because no firm decision has been taken in reference to total acquisition? 

■^Question No. 1,050, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Since January 1, 1948, under agreements entered into by the federal, 
provincial and municipal governments, dealing with the removal of blighted 
areas and the construction of low-rental housing projects (a) how many such 
projects have been carried out in Canada (b) how many are now being carried 
out (c) how many such projects have been completed in each province, and 
what are the names under which they are known (d) how many low-rental 
housing projects have been completed in Canada under such agreements? 

2. Concerning all such projects which have been carried out, what amounts 
have been paid out by the federal government for each project (a) in Toronto, 
(b) in Montreal? 

Mr. McCleave, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works, 
presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,062, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: What total moneys are payable monthly to the widow and to each 
dependant child of personnel whose death arises through service to Her 
Majesty in the following cases (a) a private soldier killed by enemy action 
(b) an R.C.M.P. constable killed while apprehending a criminal and (c) a 
custodial guard killed by a convict in penitentiary? 

Question No. 1,080, by Mr. Mather, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: In the fiscal year 1961-62, what is the amount of subsidies granted to 
(a) the butter industry (b) the coal industry (c) the gold mining industry 
(d) the railway industry? 

Question No. 1,109, by Mr. Clermont, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. To date, what amount has been paid annually to each province of 
Canada, including the Province of Quebec, under the Trans-Canada Highway 
Act? 

2. To date, what other amounts, if any, are to be paid to each province. 
including the Province of Quebec, with respect to the Trans-Canada Highway? 

3. To date, how many miles of highway have been built in each province, 
including the Province of Quebec? 



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Question No. 1,128, by Mr. Mather, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Which departments of the federal government include a welfare service 
unit in its organization? 

2. Has consideration been given to combining such units in the interest of 
efficiency? 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 50 and 54) having 
been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Winch, seconded by Mr. Lewis, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House copies of correspondence or any documents 
exchanged, between any Federal Cabinet Minister or Departmental Head with 
any Cabinet Minister or Departmental Head of the Province of British Columbia 
relative to matters relating to offshore mineral rights or the continental shelf 
of British Columbia, since January 1, 1958. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 56). 

The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-94, An Act to provide 
for the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board; 

Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a third time and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Robichaud, moved in amendment thereto, 
— That Bill C-94 be not now read a third time, but that it be referred back 
to the Committee of the Whole for the purpose of considering an amendment to 
Clause 9 as follows: 

"That the following be added as paragraph (e) to section (1) of 
Clause 9: 

"(e) Prepare annually for the consideration of the Minister a pro- 
gramme of capital projects designed to enlarge the basic 
economy of the Atlantic Provinces.". 

Mr. Speaker ruled that the proposed amendment purported to deal with 
a matter not contained in the bill and was not in keeping with Citation 418, 
Beauchesne's 4th Edition. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Inverness-Richmond (Mr. Mac- 
Eachen) appealed to the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And, the Members having been called in; 

Mr. Speaker reported that the question was an appeal to the House from 
the above Ruling. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 
division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 

Aiken, Baskin, Bell (Carleton), Belzile, 

Balcer, Beaule, Bell (Saint John- Bigg, 

Baldwin, Belanger, Albert), Bourbonnais, 



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Boutin, 


Gauthier, 


Macquarrie, 


Paul, 


Bradley, 


Grafltey, 


MacRae, 


Perron, 


Cadieu, 


Grills, 


McBain, 


Pigeon, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Gundlock, 


McCleave, 


Pugh, 


Chapdelaine, 


Hales, 


McGee, 


Rapp, 


Chaplin, 


Halpenny, 


McGrath, 


Ricard, 


Chown, 


Hamilton, 


Mcintosh, 


Robinson, 


Churchill, 


Hanbidge, 


McPhillips, 


Rondeau, 


Clancy, 


Hodgson, 


Maltais, 


Rowe, 


Coates, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Mandziuk, 


Roy, 


Cooper, 


Horner 


Martineau, 


Rynard, 


Cote, 


(The Battlefords), 


Millar, 


Sevigny, 


Crouse, 


Howe, 


Monteith, 


Simpson, 


Diefenbaker, 


Jones, 


Moore, 


Skoreyko, 


Dinsdale, 


Jorgenson, 


More, 


Smallwood, 


Dionne, 


Kennedy, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Smith 


Doucett, 


Kindt, 


North and 


(Calgary South), 


Dumont, 


Korchinski, 


Victoria), 


Smith 


English, 


Latulippe, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


(Simcoe North), 


Enns, 


Leboe, 


Nasserden, 


Southam, 


Fairweather, 


Legere, 


Nowlan, 


Starr, 


Fane, 


Lessard 


Nugent, . 


Stenson, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


(Lac-Saint- Jean), 


O'Hurley, 


Thompson, 


Revelstoke), 


Letourneau, 


Olson, 


Valade, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Ormiston, 


Vincent, 


Carleton), 


MacEwan, 


Ouellet, 


Webb, 


Forbes, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Pascoe, 


Weichel, 


Gagnon, 






Winkler — 113. 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Addison, 


Clermont, 


Argue, 


Clunis, 


Badanai, 


Cowan, 


Barnett, 


Crestohl, 


Batten, 


Crossman, 


Bechard, 


Denis, 


Beer, 


Douglas, 


Benidickson, 


Drouin, 


Benson, 


Dube, 


Berger, 


Dupuis, 


Boulanger, 


Ethier, 


Bourque, 


Eudes, 


Brown, 


Fisher, 


Burgess, 


Foy, 


Byrne, 


Godin, 


Cadieux, 


Gordon, 


Cameron 


Granger, 


(High Park), 


Gray, 


Cantin, 


Habel, 


Cardin, 


Haidasz, 


Caron, 


Harley, 


Carter, 


Herridge, 


Chevrier, 


Honey, 



Knowles, 


Mitchell, 


Laing, 


Munro, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nicholson, 


Laniel, 


Otto, 


Leduc, 


Pearson, 


Legare, 


Peters, 


Lessard 


Pickersgill, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Pilon, 


Lewis, 


Rinfret, 


Loiselle, 


Robichaud, 


Macdonald 


Rochon, 


(Rosedale), 


Rock, 


MacEachen, 


Rouleau, 


Maclnnis, 


Roxburgh, 


Mackasey, 


Ryan, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Sauve, 


McMillan, 


Scott, 


McNulty, 


Stewart, 


McWilliam, 


Tardif, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tucker, 


Mather, 


Wahn, 


Matheson, 


Walker, 


Matte, 


Webster, 




Winch— 90. 



And the question being put on the main motion, — That Bill C-94, An Act 
to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board, be now- 
read a third time and do pass; it was agreed to. 



Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



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The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the 
next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15i3)'\ 

{Notices of Motions) 

Items numbered 17, 18, and 19 having been called for the first time were 
allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Mr. McMillan, seconded by Mr. McNulty, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of encouraging 
reasonable early vesting of pension rights of employees by disallowing in whole 
or in part the employer's claims for a reduction of the expenses of pensions 
for income tax purposes where reasonable vesting provisions are not adopted. 
— (Notice of Motion No. 20). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Rapp, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Munro be substituted for that of Mr. Mitchell on the Standing 
Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-403, An Act for the relief of Thelma Joanette MacDonald. 

Bill SD-404, An Act for the relief of Roger Bernard Angel. 

Bill SD-405, An Act for the relief of Paul Parizeau. 

Bill SD-406, An Act for the relief of Audrey Barbara Sutton. 

Bill SD-407, An Act for the relief of Eliane Trottier. 

Bill SD-408, An Act for the relief of Aurella Breard. 

Bill SD-409, An Act for the relief of Ginette Ingrid Leopold. 

Bill SD-410, An Act for the relief of Lily (Lillian) Shapiro. 

Bill SD-411, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Kallweit. 

Bill SD-412, An Act for the relief of Mary Teresa Hough. 

Bill SD-413, An Act for the relief of Edouard Pellerin. 

Bill SD-414, An Act for the relief of Suzanne Moreau. 

Bill SD-415, An Act for the relief of Soshy Judith Marcovitz. 

Bill SD-416, An Act for the relief of Ann Marie Cooke. 

Bill SD-417, An Act for the relief of Jacques Ekaireb. 

Bill SD-418, An Act for the relief of Therese Geraldeau. 

Bill SD-419, An Act for the relief of Edith Herman. 

Bill SD-420, An Act for the relief of Edouard Joseph Armand Baril. 



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Bill SD-421, An Act for the relief of Violet Gabrielle Gilmour. 

Bill SD-422, An Act for the relief of Leo Paul Turcotte. 

Bill SD-423, An Act for the relief of Paulette Sauve. 

Bill SD-424, An Act for the relief of Eli Kraus. 

Bill SD-425, An Act for the relief of John Andre Anderson. 

Bill SD-426, An Act for the relief of Helen Beverley Sabo. 

Bill SD-427, An Act for the relief of Jeanette Rosenberg. 

Bill SD-428, An Act for the relief of Raymonde Vachon. 

Bill SD-429, An Act for the relief of Marie Augustine Jeannette Gibbs. 

Bill SD-430, An Act for the relief of Helen Doreen Gearey. 

Bill SD-431, An Act for the relief of Alphonse Audet. 

Bill SD-432, An Act for the relief of George Mantadakis. 

Bill SD-433, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Evelyn Lyon. 

Bill SD-434, An Act for the relief of Shirley Sarah James. 

Bill SD-435, An Act for the relief of Dorothea Margaret Kay. 

Bill SD-436, An Act for the relief of Edie (Etta) Cohen. 

Bill SD-437, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Henriette Pujol. 

The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Mandziuk, were deemed to have 
been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated October 24, 1962, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of all correspondence between any and all Departments of the Govern- 
ment of Canada and all governmental Departments and agencies in the United 
States dealing with the export of Canadian lumber to the United States. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 11). 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 
And the House continuing in Committee; 
At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired. 

Bill SD-438, An Act for the relief of Marie Aleta Meerovitch. 

Bill SD-439, An Act for the rehef of Barbara Ann Sobrian. 

Bill SD-440, An Act for the relief of Marie Marguerite Nicole Eraser. 

Bill SD-441, An Act for the relief of EHzabeth Gray. 

Bill SD-442, An Act for the relief of Iva Baumgartner. 

Bill SD-443, An Act for the relief of Eileen Myrtle Burns. 

Bill SD-444, An Act for the relief of Donat Theriault. 

Bill SD-445, An Act for the relief of Anita Margaret d'Esterre. 

Bill SD-446, An Act for the relief of Daisy Emily Dorothy Ryan. 

Bill SD-447, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Peck. 

Bill SD-448, An Act for the relief of Giovanni Pallotta. 

Bill SD-449, An Act for the relief of Lise Hogue. 

Bill SD-450, An Act for the relief of Millicent Vera Seagrove. 



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The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Mandziuk, were deemed to have 
been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Private Bills) 

By unanimous consent, Bill S-14 in the name of Mr. Macnaughton and 
Bill S-16 in the name of Mr. Hellyer, appearing on today's Order Paper as 
Order No. 10 and Order No. 407 respectively, were given precedence on the 
Order Paper for consideration on Tuesday, December 18, 1962. 



Bill SD-1, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole and reported without amendment. 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a third time and do pass. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved in amendment thereto, — That 
the said bill be not now read a third time but that it be referred back to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills for reconsideration. 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was referred back to the Standing Committee 
on Miscellaneous Private Bills for reconsideration (together with the evidence 
taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce). 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated October 17, 1962, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of all correspondence exchanged between the Minister of Justice and 
the Attorneys General or other provincial Ministers regarding the method of 



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amending the Constitution of Canada, since April 2, 1962, when Sessional Paper 
227 containing such correspondence up to that date was filed. — {Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 22). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962. (Question No. 204) showing: Have any employees of the different depart- 
ments of government and Crown companies been temporarily laid off or dis- 
missed since June 1, 1962, and, if so, what number in each department, and in 
each Crown corporation? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 31, 
1962, (Question No. 526) showing: Have any contracts been awarded to 
Canadair Ltd. at St. Laurent, Quebec, since July 1, 1957, and, if so, how many, 
what was the nature of each contract, and what was the amount of each 
contract? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 5, 
1962, (Question No. 590) showing: 1. How many facilities for sport alone have 
been built by the government Winter Works Programme during the years of 
1961-1962, and how much money has been spent on such facilities? 

2. How many such facilities are to be built during 1963 by the government 
Winter Works Programme, and what amount of money, if any, has been allo- 
cated for them? 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1962-1723, dated December 4, 1962, authorizing, under section 21a of the 
Export Credits Insurance Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits Insur- 
ance Corporation for the sale by Montreal Locomotive Works, Limited, of 80 
Diesel electric locomotives to Ferrocarriles Nacionales de Mexico (The Mexican 
National Railways), pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 
1952, as amended 1960-61. 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 14th DECEMBER, 1962. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions" to enable the 
Honourable the Minister of Trade and Commerce to make a statement. 

And after some time; 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act, without 
amendment. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate The Pharmacy Examining Board of 
Canada. — Mr. Mitchell. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) 1^ 

{Public Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-24, An Act to 
amend the Senate and House of Commons Act; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Orders in Council, 
pursuant to section 19 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 29, 
Statutes of Canada, 1955, as follows: 

i (1) Order in Council P. C. 1962-1710, dated November 29, 1962, entrusting 
to the Canadian National Railway Company, effective July 12, 1962, the 
management and operation of M.V. "Taverner" for service in the Newfound- 
land Coastal Steamship Service. 

(2) Order in Council P.O. 1962-1736, dated December 6, 1962, entrusting 
to the Canadian National Railway Company, effective November 14, 1962, the 
management and operation of the new wharf and shed at Corner Brook, New- 
foundland, required for the Newfoundland Coastal Steamship Service. 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated December 5, 1962, (Question No. 922) showing: 
1. How many National Housing Act loans have been processed through the 
Toronto Branch, Scarborough Branch, and Weston Branch Office of Central 
Mortgage and Housing Corporation in 1962? 

2. What was their total value? 

3. How many loans were processed in 1961, 1960, and 1959? 

4. What lawyers handled these loans for Central Mortgage and Housing 
Corporation in each of these years, and what were their fees? 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1962-1787, dated December 13, 1962, authorizing, under section 21a of the 
Export Credits Insurance Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by John Inglis Co. Limited, and Sandwell 
and Company Limited, of additional Newsprint, Pulp and Paper Mill equip- 
ment, to Industrias Forestales, S.A., Santiago, Chile, pursuant to section 21b 
of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 



A.D. 1962 FRIDAY, 14th DECEMBER 397 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Twenty- second Report, 
pursuant to Standing Order 100, as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
he has considered the following divorce bills: 

Bill SD-446, An Act for the relief of Daisy Emily Dorothy Ryan. 
Bill SD-447, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Peck. 

While the requirements of Standing Order 96 have been complied with, 
your Examiner finds that the said divorce bills are not based on a petition 
addressed and presented to the House of Commons during the present Session 
of Parliament. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Howe, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Tele- 
graph Lines, presented the Fourth Report of the said Committee, which is as 
follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Freight 
Rates Reduction Act, and has agreed to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to this Bill 
{Issues Nos. 3 and 4) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 4 to the Journals) 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Mcintosh, 
it was ordered, — That the petition of John Mark of Toronto, and Peter Kolibaiev 
of Montreal and five others, praying for an Act to incorporate The Union of 
Slavic Churches of Evangehcal Christians and Baptists of Canada, filed after 
the time limit specified by Standing Order 93, be referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Standing Orders, together with the Report of the Clerk of Petitions 
thereon tabled on Friday, November 23rd, for any recommendation the 
Committee deems advisable. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Mcintosh, 
it was ordered, — That the petitions for divorce Acts of Donald Edgar Hicks, 



400 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Ezreh Harry Herscovitch, Carol Thornton Blackman, Norman Hart Bureau, 
Mallie Fanny Kac Newman, Rosi Irma Koetke Parrouty, and Donat Theriault, 
filed after the time hmit specified by Standing Order 93, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on Standing Orders, together with the Reports of the 
Clerk of Petitions thereon tabled on Thursday, November 22nd and Tuesday, 
December 11th, for any recommendations the Committee deems advisable. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Mcintosh, 
it was ordered, — That divorce bills SD-28, An Act for the relief of Marie Claire 
Rolande Dubois, SD-36, An Act for the relief of Hale Calvin Reid, SD-446, An 
Act for the relief of Daisy Emily Dorothy Pearl Ryan, and SD-447, An Act for 
the relief of Elizabeth Peck, be referred to the Standing Committee on Stand- 
ing Orders, together with the Reports of the Examiner of Petitions for Private 
Bills thereon tabled on Friday, November 16th, and Friday, December 14th, 
for any recommendation the Committee deems advisable. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — That 
the Special Committee on Food and Drugs, appointed on December 7, 1962, be 
composed of Messrs. Baldwin, Enns, Fairweather, Haidasz, Harley, Horner 
(Jasper-Edson), Marcoux, Martin (Essex East), McDonald (Hamilton South), 
Mitchell, Nicholson, Orlikow, Patterson, Rynard, and Valade. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Scott be substituted for that of Mr. Martin (Timmins) on the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Kennedy and Peters be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Ormiston and Winch on the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and 
Telegraph Lines. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the pro- 
visions of Standing Order 39(4): 



Question No. 963, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Has the federal government, directly or indirectly, subsidized the pro- 
duction of any books or works by P. A. Taverner with special reference to 
"Birds of Canada", and, if so, how much money was contributed, by whom, 
in what years, and to whom, for the production of each such book? 

2. How many copies of each were printed, and are the books still being 
printed? 

3. What has been the demand for these books? 

4. Is there any intention to resume the printing and production of these 
books? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 1,061, by Mr. Cote, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Are the following publications available in both of the official languages 



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of Canada and, if not, is the government giving consideration to their printing 
in the French language: "Statistical Summary Supplement Bank of Canada"; 
*'The Canadian Balance of International Payments 1960"; "International Invest- 
ment Position"; "Quarterly Estimates of the Canadian Balance of International 
Payments"? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,111, by Mr. Benson, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What was the total cost of dredging in the Canadian channel of the St. 
Lawrence Seaway at the foot of Wolfe Island during the past two years? 

2. To what company was the contract given for this dredging? 

3. Is the contract now entirely completed? 

4. What is the ordinary depth of the St. Lawrence Seaway channel? 

5. To what depth was the Canadian channel dredged at the foot of Wolfe 
Island? 

6. Did the Minister of Transport issue instructions that only ships proceed- 
ing to Kingston were to use the Canadian channel when passing Wolfe Island? 

7. How many ships, other than pleasure craft, proceeded to Kingston 
Harbour upstream through the Canadian channel during the 1962 navigation 
season? 

8. How many ships, other than pleasure craft, proceeded downstream 
through the Canadian channel during the 1962 navigation season? 

Question No. 1,116, by Mr. Dube, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Since its creation, what amount has the Forestry Department spent for 
research? 

2. What research projects have been undertaken? 

3. What action has been taken as a result of such research projects? 

Question No. 1,127, by Mr. Davis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Does the Columbia River Treaty, as it now stands, permit Canada to 
finalize a price for the sale of surplus power prior to the ratification of this 
Treaty by Canada? 

Question No. 1,137, by Mr. Whelan, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What were the operating and capital expenditures and revenue for each 
of the following National Parks, and number of visitors for each of the follow- 
ing years, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962 to date: Banff, Cape Breton, Elk 
Island, Fundy, Georgian Bay Islands, Jasper, Kootenay, Mt. Revelstoke and 
Glacier, Point Pelee, Prince Albert, Prince Edward Island, Riding Mountain, 
St. Lawrence Islands, Terra Nova, Waterton Lakes, Yoho? 

Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 1,140, by Mr. Deschatelets, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. How many supernumerary employees are at present on the staff 
of the various offices of the Unemployment Insurance Commission? 

2. How many persons male, and female are now employed as super- 
numeraries? .('■'> I •' 
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3. How many hours do they work each day? 

4. What is their hourly rate of pay? 

5. Is any increase in pay for this particular class of employee contemplated 
in the near future? 

Mr. Starr, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 

* Question No. 1,163, by Mr. Beaule, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Has the federal government made any contribution, under the Assistance 
Act for technical and professional training, to apprenticeship centres under the 
Department of Works of the Province of Quebec? 

2. If so, what sums have been paid and for what particular projects, for 
(a) construction of centres (b) equipping of centres (c) help to apprentices 
(d) training of monitors and teachers, and (e) training of the unemployed? 

3. If not, has the federal government received requests about this from the 
provincial authorities in Quebec, and what has been the reply of the federal 
government? 

Mr. Starr, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (3)1 

{Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 17, standing in the name of Mr. MacRae, having been called a 
second time and not having been proceeded with was dropped pursuant ta 
Standing Order 48(1). 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands),, 
moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should give consid- 
eration to the advisability of introducing a measure to be known as "The Can- 
ada Full Employment Act", and that consideration should be given to including 
in the said proposed measure, inter alia, the following provisions: (a) a clear- 
cut recognition by Parliament of the importance of full employment as a 
national policy; (b) a declaration that it is the responsibility of the federal 
government to take the steps that are necessary to provide and maintain a 
full employment economy; (c) the establishing of a Council of Economic 
Advisers, empowered to make regular reports containing economic analyses 
and projections based on objective research, such reports to be made public; 
and (d) a requirement that there be an annual report to Parliament, by the 
Minister responsible for the administration of the Act, on measures taken 
under its provisions, with opportunity for scrutiny and debate, so that 
Parliament might make sure that the purposes of the proposed Act are fulfilled. 
— (Notice of Motion No, 18). 



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And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
December 12, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated December 5, 1962, for a copy of any letter or letters 
from the Canadian Association of University Teachers to the government since 
January 1, 1962 respecting security investigations as they presently affect Asso- 
ciation members. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 49). 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 18th DECEMBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Howe, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Tele- 
graph Lines, presented the Fifth Report of the said Committee, which is as 
follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill C-59, An Act to approve an Agreement 
between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Province of 
Ontario respecting Public Harbours, and has agreed to report it without 
amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to this Bill 
(Issue No. 5) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 5 to the Journals) 



Mr. Rowe, from the Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Ship- 
ping, presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference dated Friday, November 9th, 1962, 
your Committee has considered items 80, 85 and 100 as listed in the Revised 
Estimates of 1962-63 as follows: 

Vote 80— Newfoundland Ferry and Terminals, $6,552,500.00; 

Vote 85 — Prince Edward Island Car Ferry and Terminals, $3,359,000.00; 

Vote 100— Maritime Freight Rates Act, $13,975,000.00. 

Your Committee recommends their approval. 



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A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (part of Issue 
No. 4) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No, 6 to the Journals) 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

\_Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)'\ 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-14, An Act respecting Merit Insurance Company, was considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 

Bill S-16, An Act respecting The Imperial Life Assurance Company of 
Canada, was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce. 

Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Bruce Reid Campbell, was considered 
in Committee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 15, 1962, (^Question No. 71) showing: 
1. What were the total costs to the Federal Treasury for the Dawson City 
Festival including (a) grants to the festival (b) the cost of reconstruction 
and renovation of all such buildings as the mortuary, two old saloons, and 
Arizona Charlie's Palace Grand, and (c) all other federal expenses connected 
with the festival, including the cost of the dedication ceremonies, etc.? 

2. Did the Governments of the Northwest Territories and the Yukon 
Territory make any contributions in connection with the preparation and 
holding of the festival? If so, how much? 



At 10.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Foy, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-100, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Political Programs), which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 1,150, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. In 1961, how many university students at the bachelor degree level were 
employed during the summer as assistants in Customs and Excise offices? 

2. How many came from the Universities of Laval, Montreal, and Sher- 
brooke or other centres of learning in the Province of Quebec? 

Question No. 1,173, by Mr. Badanai, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: How many projects, designated as historical sites, have been approved 
by the federal government for development or assistance during the years 1959, 
1960, 1961, and 1962, giving the locations and the amount spent or approved 
for each? 

Question No. 1,222, by Mr. Mather, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. What was the total amount in the Unemployment Insurance Fund at 
the end of each of the fiscal years 1956-57 to 1960-61 inclusive? 

2. What were the total payments of Unemployment Insurance claims during 
each of these fiscal years? 

3. What was the total administrative cost of operating the Unemployment 
Insurance Service for each of these fiscal years? 



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4. What was the total income of the Unemployment Insurance Fund during 
each of the fiscal years 1956-57 to 1960-61 inclusive? 

Question No. 1,224, by Mr. Herridge, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Does the Mer Bleue peat and spruce bog. Southeast of Ottawa, come 
under the jurisdiction of the National Capital Commission? 

2. Is this bog considered a valuable wildlife sanctuary by spokesmen for 
the Canadian Wildlife Service and outstanding Canadian biologists, zoologists 
and naturalists? 

3. Are the National Capital Commission and the City of Ottawa giving con- 
sideration to the use of this bog as a garbage disposal area? 

4. What action is the government taking to prevent the destruction of this 
valuable wildhfe sanctuary, which will provide a unique area for research and, 
in addition, recreational facilities? 



On motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr, Lewis, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence relative to duties 
imposed on imported fish-feed exchanged between the Ministers and/or Depart- 
ments of Finance and National Revenue, and persons and/or organizations since 
January 1, 1960. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 50). 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 54 and 59) having 
been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Godin, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence to the govern- 
ment since December 31, 1961 relating to the plight of Indians from The Pas, 
Moose Lake, Norway House, Cross Lake, Island Lake, Red Sucker Lake, God's 
Lake, Oxford House, Shamattawa, Split Lake, Nelson House, South Indian 
Lake, Pukatawagan, and Brocket. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 58). 



On motion of Mr. McNulty, seconded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), it 
was ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency pray- 
ing that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of any correspondence 
since September 27, 1962, between the federal government and any provincial 
government concerning the introduction of legislation dealing with the question 
of the portability of pensions. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 60). 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

By unanimous consent, section (3) of Standing Order 15, concerning the 
consideration of Private Members' Business, was suspended for this sitting, 
and it was ordered that an additional hour be provided for the business of 
"Notices of Motions" after the expiry of the time allotted to Private Members' 
Business by virtue of section (5) of Standing Order 15. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 19th DECEMBER 

Whereupon Bill C-93, An Act respecting the Construction of a line of 
railway in the Province of New Brunswick by Canadian National Railway 
Company from Nepisiguit Junction on the Bathurst Subdivision of the Cana- 
dian National Railway in a southerly and westerly direction for a distance 
of approximately 15 miles to the property of Brunswick Mining and Smelting 
Corporation Limited, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported 
without amendment, read the third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a 
certain proposed resolution to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrange- 
ments Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act to provide an arrangement with 
respect to fiscal years commencing on or after April 1, 1962 similar to that 
provided in the Federal-Provincial Tax-Sharing Arrangements Act with 
respect to previous fiscal years; to provide also in the said amendment for an 
increase of one-third in the amount of the payment, from one dollar and fifty 
cents to two dollars per capita. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-101, An Act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act 
and the Federal-Provincial Tax-Sharing Arrangements Act, which was read 
the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, and ordered for a 
third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a 
certain proposed resolution to amend the National Housing Act, 1954. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
National Housing Act, 1954 to extend for an additional two years the period 
within which the construction of a sewage treatment project in respect of which 
a loan has been or is to be made must be completed if the municipality or 
municipal corporation is to be granted a reduction of indebtedness. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

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Mr. Fulton, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-102, An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954, which was read 
the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Sevigny for Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by 
Mr. Churchill, moved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole 
forthwith to consider the following proposed resolution which has been recom- 
mended to the House by His Excellency: 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish a Canadian World 
Exhibition Corporation and to provide for the appointment of its directors and 
staff; to provide that the Minister of Finance may, out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund, pay to the Corporation by way of grant such amounts not 
exceeding twenty million dollars as are required for the purposes of the Cor- 
poration; to provide also that the Governor in Council may authorize the Minis- 
ter of Finance on behalf of Her Majesty to enter into a joint guarantee with 
Her Majesty in right of the Province of Quebec of the principal amount of any 
securities issued by the Corporation and of the interest thereon in such form 
and subject to such terms and conditions as may be approved by the Governor 
in Council and the Lieutenant-Governor in Council of Quebec; to provide fur- 
ther for temporary loans to the Corporation out of the Consolidated Revenue 
Fund, the aggregate of which loans outstanding at any time shall not exceed 
one million dollars; and to provide further for other related and incidental 
matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole forthwith 
to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to 
consider the said proposed resolution. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish a 
Canadian World Exhibition Corporation and to provide for the appointment of 
its directors and staff; to provide that the Minister of Finance may, out of 
the Consolidated Revenue Fund, pay to the Corporation by way of grant such 
amounts not exceeding twenty million dollars as are required for the purposes 
of the Corporation; to provide also that the Governor in Council may authorize 
the Minister of Finance on behalf of Her Majesty to enter into a joint guarantee 
with Her Majesty in right of the Province of Quebec of the principal amount 
of any securities issued by the Corporation and of the interest thereon in such 
form and subject to such terms and conditions as may be approved by the 
Governor in Council and the Lieutenant-Governor in Council of Quebec; to 
provide further for temporary loans to the Corporation out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund, the aggregate of which loans outstanding at any time shall not 
exceed one million dollars; and to provide further for other related and 
incidental matters. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 19th DECEMBER 411 

Mr. Sevigny for Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave 
of the House, presented Bill C-103, An Act to establish the Canadian World 
Exhibition Corporation, which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 

Bill C-64, An Act to amend the Coal Production Assistance Act, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the 
third time and passed. 

Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Freight Rates Reduction Act was considered 
in Committee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk oj the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by Command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Public 
Printing and Stationery for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 
36 of the Public Printing and Stationery Act, chapter 226, R.S.C., 1952. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Address, dated November 21, 1962, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all communications addressed 
to the Department of Transport and to the Trans-Canada Air Lines Corpora- 
tion from the Honourable Allan Grossman, Q.C., Commissioner of the Liquor 
Control Board of Ontario. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 43). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 15, 
1962, (Question No. 37) showing: 1. Since June 18, 1962, how many construc- 
tion projects have been (a) cancelled, or (b) postponed, by the federal govern- 
ment, or by any department or agency thereof? 

2. Where was each such project to have been constructed? What was the 
estimated cost of each such project? 

3. Have any construction projects which were cancelled or postponed sub- 
sequent to June 18, 1962, been reinstated? If so, which ones, what is their loca- 
tion, and their estimated cost? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Supplementary Return to an Order of the House, dated 
November 5, 1962, (Question No. 590) showing: 1. How many facilities for 
sport alone have been built by the government Winter Works Programme 
during the years of 1961-1962, and how much money has been spent on such 
facilities? 

2. How many such facilities are to be built during 1963 by the government 
Winter Works Programme, and what amount of money, if any, has been allo- 
cated for them? 

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By Mr. Halpenny, — Supplementary Return to an Order of the House, dated 
November 14, 1962, {Question No. 667) showing: Has the federal government 
bought or sold any property in the City of Peterborough since January 1, 1961, 
and, if so, who were the lawyers or sellers, and what was the price? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 21, 
1962, {Question No. 760) showing: 1. What agencies of government are 
empowered to award scholarships, fellowships, studentships and bursaries? 

2. In 1961 (a) what number of awards (b) of what definition (c) of what 
value; were made by each government agency so empowered? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 21, 
1962, {Question No. 794) showing: 1. Was the exhibit that represents Canada 
at the Commonwealth Institute in London, England, planned, approved or 
financed to any degree by the Government of Canada? 

2. If so (a) has the government received reports on the quality of the 
exhibit (b) what is the nature of such reports? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 3, 
1962, {Question No. 975) showing: 1. How many winter works projects have 
been approved, undertaken or completed during 1962 to date? 

2. What is the total cost to the federal government? 

3. What is the list of these projects, by municipalities, showing the alloca- 
tion of costs for each project between the municipalities, federal government, 
and any provincial authority? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 10, 
1962, {Question No. 1,035) showing: 1. What agency or board of the govern- 
ment perfected the anti-submarine device known as Variable Depth Sonar? 

2. When was the device first used in ships of the Royal Canadian Navy? 

3. How does V.D.S. rank with similar anti-submarine devices used by other 
navies? 

4. What company manufactures the device? 

5. What are the names of the sub-contractors in the manufacture of V.D.S. ? 

6. Has any attempt been made by the government through the Department 
of Defence Production to sell V.D.S. to other N.A.T.O. countries and, if so, what 
are the names of the countries and the results of such attempts? 

7. Is the government through the Department of Defence Production, con- 
tinuing its efforts for further sales to N.A.T.O. countries and, if so, to what 
countries? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 10, 
1962, {Question No. 1,041) showing: In reference to the property commonly 
known as Boundary Bay Airport (a) what acreage is involved in this property 

(b) how many (i) airdromes (ii) other permanent buildings are located there 

(c) what has been total capital cost of land, buildings and runways since 1940 

(d) how many miles of concrete and asphalt runways are installed (e) are 
the runways still suitable to carry planes of the type and weight for which Pitt 



A.D. 1962 WEDNESDAY, 19th DECEMBER 413 

Meadows airport is being prepared (f) to what use are (i) the land (ii) air- 
dromes (iii) other permanent buildings, now being put (g) are there any 
Army operations there that could not be economically moved to another site 
(h) would small planes there present any hazard to operation of Vancouver 
International Airport (i) what was total return in 1961 of rental of the property 
for farm use? 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Twenty-third Report, to 
Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Clarence Lewis Reimer and two others, all of the City of Winnipeg, Mani- 
toba, for an Act to incorporate The Good News Broadcasting Association of 
Canada. 

Quebec Fire Assurance Company, and in French, Compagnie d'assurance 
de Quebec contre les accidents du feu, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorpora- 
tion changing its name to "Quebec Assurance Company", and in French, "Com- 
pagnie d'assurance du Quebec", and for other purposes. 

Stephen Boleslav Roman, of the Township of Markham, Ontario, and five 
others, for an Act to incorporate Standard Trust Company. 



At 6.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 20th DECEMBER, 1962. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-2, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act, to which 
the concurrence of this House is desired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-451, An Act for the relief of Roland Boisvert. 

Bill SD-452, An Act for the relief of Gordon Richard Alexander Rams- 
den. 

Bill SD-453, An Act for the rehef of Vivian Geoffrey Power. 

Bill SD-454, An Act for the relief of Marcheta Lino Edwards. 

Bill SD-455, An Act for the rehef of Ingeborg Schmidt. 

Bill SD-456, An Act for the rehef of Vickie Marks. 

Bill SD-457, An Act for the relief of Jean Mildred Fillmore. 

Bill SD-458, An Act for the relief of Kathleen Edna Belchem. 

Bill SD-459, An Act for the rehef of Pamela Blair. 

Bill SD-460, An Act for the relief of Arlene June Kaczur. 

Bill SD-461, An Act for the relief of Bernard Hebert. 

Bill SD-462, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Serrati. 

Bill SD-463, An Act for the relief of Philippe LeBeau. 

Bill SD-464, An Act for the relief of Carroll Lynne Milette. 

Bill SD-465, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Cowan Frawley. 



416 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Bill SD-466, An Act for the relief of June Eleanor Holgate. 
Bill SD-467, An Act for the relief of Maria Papadakis. 
Bill SD-468, An Act for the relief of Edith Diane Greenberg. 
Bill SD-469, An Act for the relief of Marie Yvonne Lucie Godard. 
Bill SD-470, An Act for the relief of Maureen Carol McAlinden. 
Bill SD-471, An Act for the relief of Calvin Harold Robinson. 
Bill SD-472, An Act for the rehef of Elizabeth Anne Chadwick-Rider. 
Bill SD-473, An Act for the relief of Doreen Dreyer Eastwood. 
Bill SD-474, An Act for the relief of Margaret Clewes. 
Bill SD-475, An Act for the relief of Lee Leopold. 
Bill SD-476, An Act for the relief of Rochelle Caplan. 
Bill SD-477, An Act for the relief of Therese Rivet. 
Bill SD-478, An Act for the relief of Julianna Gulyas. 
Bill SD-479, An Act for the relief of Marlene Judith Feinstein. 
Bill SD-480, An Act for the relief of Joseph Idolard Bouchard. 
Bill SD-481, An Act for the relief of Angelika Tasler. 
Bill SD-482, An Act for the relief of Delia Harriet McGuire. 
Bill SD-483, An Act for the relief of Edward Brown. 
Bill SD-484, An Act for the relief of Giselle Mignault. 
Bill SD-485, An Act for the relief of Joan Reid Koken. 
Bill SD-486, An Act for the relief of Gwynneth Margaret Forget. 
Bill SD-487, An Act for the relief of Marjorie Edith Leroux. 
Bill SD-488, An Act for the relief of Robert Fernand Marcoux. 
Bill SD-489, An Act for the rehef of Allan Barry Phillips. 
Bill SD-490, An Act for the relief of Donna Maureen Vincent. 
Bill SD-491, An Act for the relief of Winiam Joseph Rowe. 
Bill SD-492, An Act for the relief of Adrien Telher. 

Bill SD-493, An Act for the relief of John Loughheed, otherwise known 
as John Lougheed. 

Bill SD-494, An Act for the relief of Linda Alice Burrows. 

The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Mandziuk, were deemed to have 
been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 

Mr. Aiken, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, pre- 
sented the Fourth Report of the said Committee which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-16, An Act respecting The Imperial 
Life Assurance Company of Canada, and has agreed to report it without amend- 
ment. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, 
moved, — That when this House adjourns on Thursday, December 20, 1962, at 
10 o'clock p.m., it stand adjourned until 2.30 o'clock p.m. on Monday, January 
21, 1963. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 20th DECEMBER 417 

Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, laid before the House, — Report of the 
Committee of Inquiry into the Unemployment Insurance Act (Ernest C. Gill, 
Chairman), dated November 1962. (English and French). 



Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Foy, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-104, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Political Programs), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-101, An Act to amend 
the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act and the Federal-Provincial 
Tax-Sharing Arrangements Act; 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Green, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $330,089,511.93 being the aggregate 
of— 

(a) one- twelfth of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Revised Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1963, laid before 
the House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, except Atomic 
Energy Item 5, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Item 5, Finance Items 
45 and 50, Forestry Item 11, Labour Item 40, Legislation Items 30 and 35, 
Mines and Technical Surveys Items 30, 35, 40, 70, 80, 125 and 130, National 
Defence Item 70, National Health and Welfare Item 25, Northern Affairs 
and National Resources Items 10, 45 and 90, Public Works Items 5, 45, 70, 
100, 105, 125, 145, 168, 170, 180, 190 and 200, Royal Canadian Mounted Police 
Items 5, 15 and 25, Transport Items 35, 40, 60, 80, 85, 100, 125, 222 and 225, 
Loans Investments and Advances Item L20, $292,175,958.00; 

(b) an additional one-twelfth of the amounts of Defence Production Item 
25, External Affairs Item 5, Northern Affairs and National Resources Item 105, 
of the said Revised Estimates, $1,842,041.67; 

(c) one- twelfth of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1963, 
except External Affairs Item 112a, Transport Items 213a and 222a, $8,738,178.92; 



418 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

(d) ten- twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1963, 
$27,333,333.34, 

be granted to Her Majesty on account of the present fiscal year ending March 
31st, 1963. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
March 31st, 1963, the sum of $330,089,511.93 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the resolution concurred in this day 
in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Green, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-105, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the 
public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1963, which was read 
the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills without amendment: 

Bill C-64, An Act to amend the Coal Production Assistance Act. 

Bill C-93, An Act respecting the Construction of a line of railway in the 
Province of New Brunswick by Canadian National Railway Company from 
Nepisiguit Junction on the Bathurst Subdivision of the Canadian National Rail- 
way in a southerly and westerly direction for a distance of approximately 
15 miles to the property of Brunswick Mining and Smelting Corporation Limited. 

Bill C-94, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Develop- 
ment Board. 

Bill C-102, An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954. 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 20th DECEMBER 419 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

20th December, 1962. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, P.C., 
Chief Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the 
Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 20th Decem- 
ber, at 9.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain bills. 

I have the honour to be. 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' Business was 
deferred until 8.45 to 9.45 o'clock p.m. later this day. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-103, An Act to 
establish the Canadian World Exhibition Corporation. 

Mr. Churchill for Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Sevigny, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that Bill S-16, An Act respecting 
The Imperial Life Assurance Company of Canada, as reported this day by the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, be placed on today's Order 
Paper for consideration as the first item under Private Members' Business. 



(At 8.45 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Order 

made this day) 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-16, An Act respecting The Imperial Life Assurance Company of 
Canada, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amend- 
ment, read the third time and passed. 



420 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

INotices of Motions (Papers)'] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before this House copies 
of correspondence or any documents exchanged between the Prime Minister and 
tlie Minister of Finance or any other Minister of the Crown and officers of the 
Department of Justice or the Privy Council or any other government depart- 
ment or agency on the subject of Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-902, 
dated June 24, 1962, and the amendment to the Surcharge and Imports Order, 
P.C. 1962-987, dated July 11, 1962, and the Import Control List as amended by 
P.C. 1962-903, dated June 24, 1962, with particular reference to the legality 
of such Orders. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 16). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Judges Act, and further progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the 
next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker declared the sitting suspended during 
pleasure. 



And the sitting having been resumed; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills without amendment: 

Bill C-101, An Act to amend the Federal Provincial Fiscal Arrangements 
Act and the Federal-Provincial Tax-Sharing Arrangements Act. 

Bill C-103, An Act to establish the Canadian World Exhibition Corporation. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-105, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1963. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Patrick Kerwin, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor- 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable 
the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 20th DECEMBER 421 

His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bills: 

An Act respecting The Trustee Board of The Presbyterian Church in 
Canada. 

An Act to incorporate The Christian Brothers of Ireland in Canada. 

An Act respecting Merit Insurance Company. 

An Act to amend the Department of National Health and Welfare Act. 

An Act to amend the Food and Drugs Act. 

An Act to provide for the establishment of an Atlantic Development Board. 

An Act to amend the Coal Production Assistance Act. 

An Act respecting the Construction of a line of railway in the Province of 
New Brunswick by Canadian National Railway Company from Nepisiguit 
Junction on the Bathurst Subdivision of the Canadian National Railway in a 
southerly and westerly direction for a distance of approximately 15 miles to 
the property of Brunswick Mining and Smelting Corporation Limited. 

An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954. 

An Act to amend the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act and the 
Federal-Provincial Tax- Sharing Arrangements Act. 

An Act respecting The Imperial Life Assurance Company of Canada. 

An Act to establish the Canadian World Exhibition Corporation. 



And Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable 
the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

'''May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
.government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following 
l)ill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1963'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy of His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the 
Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and 
assents to this bill." 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Northern 
Affairs and National Resources for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 11 of the Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources Act, 
chapter 4, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. (English and French). 



422 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by 
command of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Commissioner 
of Penitentiaries for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 30 of 
the Penitentiary Act, chapter 53, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (Enghsh and 
French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^List of 
outstanding Returns as at December 20, 1962, to Addresses and Orders of the 
House issued up to December 17, 1962, inclusive. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Address, dated October 17, 1962, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence between 
the federal government, including any department, branch or directorate 
thereof, and drug companies, other governments and medical personnel or 
associations, dated since January 1, 1957, regarding the drug Thalidomide 
(or Kevadon), and also any memoranda or reports concerning the said drug 
in the possession of the government. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 2). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 5, 
1962, for a copy of all correspondence between the government and persons 
or organizations relative to the establishment of a local advisory committee 
to the Vancouver Harbour Master. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 51). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Address, dated December 12, 1962, to 
His Excellency the Governor General for copies of correspondence or any 
documents exchanged, between any Federal Cabinet Minister or Departmental 
Head with any Cabinet Minister or Departmental Head of the Province of 
British Columbia relative to matters relating to offshore mineral rights or the 
continental shelf of British Columbia, since January 1, 1958. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 56). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 26^ 
1962, (Question No. 887) showing: 1. What are the quantities of (a) wheat 
(b) oats (c) barley (d) rye (e) flax and (/) the total amounts, delivered in 
each of the following ports: Vancouver-New Westminster, Victoria, Prince 
Rupert, Churchill, Fort William-Port Arthur, Toronto, Kingston, Montreal, 
Sorel, Three Rivers, Quebec, Baie Comeau, Saint John, West St. John, and 
Halifax, for each of the crop years from 1950-51 to 1960-61? 

2. What quantities of each of the abovementioned grains were exported 
from each above-listed port during the years 1950-51 to 1960-61? 

3. What quantities, for each above-listed port, of each of the abovemen- 
tioned grains were retained for domestic consumption? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 12, 
1962, (Question No. 1,062) showing: What total moneys are payable monthly 
to the widow and to each dependant child of personnel whose death arises 
through service to Her Majesty in the following cases (a) a private soldier 
killed by enemy action (b) an R.C.M.P. constable killed while apprehending 
a criminal and (c) a custodial guard killed by a convict in penitentiary? 



A.D. 1962 THURSDAY, 20th DECEMBER 423 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 10> 
1962, (Question No. 1,091) showing: 1. Were experiments conducted at the 
British Columbia Penitentiary with the drug lysergic acid diethylamide and, 
if so, over what period of time, and with how many prisoners? 

2. What results have been obtained in the cases of (a) alcoholics (b) drug 
addicts (c) sexual perversion prisoners and (d) obsessive compulsive 
prisoners? 

3. What results have been reported to the Food and Drug Directorate, 
Department of National Health and Welfare, by research clinics with respect 
to the usefulness of L.S.D. in the treatment of alcoholism? 

4. What harmful results attributed to L.S.D. prompted its withdrawal by 
the Food and Drug Directorate? 

5. Have communications, protesting the decision to withdraw lysergic acid 
diethylamide from sale or distribution, been received from psychiatric or 
research institutions, medical groups, or physicians and, if so, how many? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 10, 
1962, (Question No. 1,105) showing: 1. What rates of special allowances were 
paid to military personnel and R.C.M.P. to offset the cost of living in the 
Province of Newfoundland in 1948? 

2. What were the rates of such allowances in 1952, 1956, and 1962? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 5, 
1962, for a copy of all correspondence between the government and persons or 
organizations relative to the establishment of a Eraser River Port Authority, 
or an enlarged New Westminster Harbour Board, to replace the existing New 
Westminster Harbour Board. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 52). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 14, 
1962, (Question No. 556) showing: What steps is the Canadian National 
Railway Company taking to carry out its statutory obligation to direct, 
provide and procure that all freight destined for export by sea that is consigned 
within Canada for carriage to the Company either at point of origin or between 
that and the sea shall, unless it has been by its shippers specifically routed other- 
wise, be exported through Canadian seaports? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 3, 
1962, (Question No. 642) showing: 1. What is the total number of passengers 
carried on the C.N.R. in Newfoundland between November 1 and May 31 
inclusive each year during the past 5 years? 

2. How many (a) first-class trains (b) second-class trains (c) third-class 
trains, were operated between the same dates in the same period? 

3. How many (a) first-class cars (b) second-class cars (c) third-class cars, 
were included in each train? 

4. If trains were mixed, what was the average number of first-class, 
second-class, and third-class cars included in each train? 



424 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

5. How many pullman passengers were carried each year during the dates 
set forth in part 1 above, and how many pullman cars were employed for this 
purpose? 



At eleven o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday, January 21, 1963, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Order 
made this day. 



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No. 61 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 21st JANUARY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Three petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Joint Communiques, issued 
following the meetings in Nassau in December 1962 of the Prime Minister of 
Canada with the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and the President of 
the United States of America, concerning Defence Policy of the Western 
Alliance, be printed as an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Joint Communique, issued 
following the first meeting held in Tokyo on January 11 and 12, 1963, of the 
Canada-Japan Ministerial Committee, concerning Economic Conditions and 
Trade Relations between both countries and internationally, be printed as an 
Appendix to this day's Hansard. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the exchange of letters between 
President Kennedy of the U.S.A. and Chairman Khrushchev of the U.S.S.R., 
concerning Inspection of Nuclear Tests and a Test-ban covering Underground 
Tests, be printed as an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 



Mr. Whelan, seconded by Mr. Wahn, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-106, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act (Crops and other Primary Prod- 
ucts under Processing), which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



426 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-2, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act. — Mr. Fleming (Eglinton). 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provisions 
of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 1,120, by Mr. Brown, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many deaths, in Canada, by drowning, were attributable to the use 
of snorkels in each of the years 1959, 1960, and 1961? 

2. Is any consideration being given by the government to the prohibition 
of the sale of snorkels? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,133, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: How many St. John Ambulance certificates were issued during the 
year 1961 to the following categories of personnel (a) Army, Navy and Air 
Force (b) Royal Canadian Mounted Police (c) Penitentiary staff (d) Emergency 
Measures Organization (e) other civil servants (f) inmates of federal 
institutions? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,136, by Mr. Perron, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: Do the terms of agreements entered into by the federal government with 
respect to winter or other works carried out at a municipal level specify a 
minimum wage, and, if so, has the government investigated any complaints or 
irregularities relating to such agreements? 

* Question No. 1,145, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. In 1961, how many university students and graduates were candi- 
dates in the examinations held by the Civil Service Commission for positions of 
civil engineer, electrical engineer, and mechanical engineer? 

2. How many candidates were successful in the examinations? 

3. How many candidates came from the Universities of Laval, Montreal, 
and Sherbrooke and, of these, how many were successful? 

4. How many candidates who were successful in the examinations were 
accepted for employment by the Civil Service Commission? 

5. How many, among those who accepted employment, came from the 
University of Laval, the University of Montreal, and the University of Sher- 
brooke? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

*Question No. 1,146, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. In 1961, how many university students and graduates were candi- 
dates in the examinations held by the Civil Service Commission for graduate 
specialists in the biological sciences? 

2. How many candidates were successful in the examinations? 

3. How many candidates came from the Universities of Laval, Montreal, 
and Sherbrooke and, of these, how many were successful? 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 21st JANUARY 427 

4. How many candidates who were successful in examinations for these 
situations were accepted for employment by the Civil Service Commission? 

5. How many among those who were accepted for employment came from 
the Universities of Laval, Montreal, and Sherbrooke? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — ^Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

* Question No. 1,147, by Mr. Rinfret, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. In 1961, how many university students or graduates applied to the 
Civil Service Commission with a view to obtaining employment requiring train- 
ing in the field of physical sciences? 

2. How many candidates were successful in the examinations? 

3. How many candidates came from the Universities of Laval, Montreal, 
and Sherbrooke and, of these, how many were successful? 

4. How many among those who succeeded in the examinations accepted 
'employment with the Civil Service Commission? 

5. How many among those who accepted employment came from the 
"University of Laval, the University of Montreal, and the University of 
Sherbrooke? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — ^Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

^Question No. 1,187, by Mr. Laprise, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. How many radioactive fall-out shelters were built in Chapleau con- 
stituency in 1961 and 1962? 

2. What is the name of the one, or the several, contractors who built them? 

3. How much did each of the shelters cost? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,215, by Mr. Dumont, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Were the boilers in the vessel "Citadel" in good condition at the 
time of its sale? 

2. What were the operating costs of the "Citadel" for the year 1961 on 
pilot service at Les Escoumains? 

3. What accounts for the difference in construction costs between the sister 
pilot boats Nos. 9 and 10, and is boat No. 9 considered to be of better quality 
than boat No. 10? 

4. Can the Department of Transport certify the use of pilot boats Nos. 9 
and 10 for navigation during icing conditions prevalent in the winter season? 

5. Was any consideration given to the construction of double-hulled pilot 
boats instead of single-hulled models? 

6. How much does the Department of Transport charge shipping companies 
per vessel for the taking on and letting off, of pilots at Les Escoumains; what 
was the total amount collected during the year 1961, and who acquires this 
revenue? 

7. Does this scale exist in other pilotage services and, if so, in which ones 
and under what circumstances? 

8. How many qualified St. Lawrence pilots are employed in the Quebec 
and Montreal districts, and what is the mother tongue of each? 



428 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

9. What are the respective salaries and duties of the following officials: 
F. S. Slocombe, Booths, D. R. Jones, A. Cumin, Catinus and J. Gendron? 

Mr. McBain, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,229, by Mr. Douglas, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Since January 1, 1945, what investigations have been carried out under 
the terms of the Combines Investigation Act, R.S.C. 1952, C.314, or the former 
Combines Investigation Act or under any amendments thereto, up to the present 
time, and what are the names of the firms, corporations or individuals 
investigated? 

2. What convictions have been registered since January 1, 1945, giving 
names of the firms, corporations or individuals concerned, under the statutes 
set out in part 1, or under the provisions of sections 498 and 498a of the Criminal 
Code, Chapter 36, R.S.C. 1927, or under section 411 or 412 of the Criminal 
Code, 2 and 3 Elizabeth 2nd, C.51, and amendments thereto, and what penalties 
were imposed in each case? 

Mr. Bell (Saint John- Albert), Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of 
Justice, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,241, by Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint-Jean), — Order of the House 
for a Return showing: 1. What is the nature, place and value of federal works 
under way or completed in the constituency of Lac-Saint- Jean during 1962? 

2. What is the nature, place and estimated value of federal works at 
present under study for the constituency of Lac-Saint-Jean? 

3. What amount did the Department of Public Works spend in each of 
the ten provinces of Canada during 1960-61, and to November 1, 1962? 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau for 
Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Balcer, — That Bill C-87, An Act to provide for 
the establishment of a National Economic Development Board, be now read a 
second time. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock 'p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 

{Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), moved, — That, in the 
opinion of this House, it is expedient to establish a National Location of Industry 
Council for the purpose of directing new industry into those regions of the 
country which are dependent on a narrow industrial base and those which are 
areas of surplus manpower; and 

That the National Location of Industry Council, in co-operation with the 
monetary and fiscal authorities, be empowered to offer incentives to attract 
new industry to such regions when requested by provincial and municipal 
governments. — (Notice of Motion No. 19). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 21st JANUARY 429 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau for Mr. 
Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Balcer, — That Bill C-87, An Act to provide for the 
establishment of a National Economic Development Board, be now read a 
second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted at ten o'clock. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Reports of the Royal Commission 
on Government Organization, Volume 3, Supporting Services for Government 
cont'd, and Services for the Public (J. Grant Glassco, Chairman), dated Decem- 
ber 3, 1962, together with a Statement of Information and Summary of the said 
Reports. (English and French). 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, — Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the 
Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, December 26, 1962, and January 9, 
1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, — Summary of Orders in Council passed during the 
month of December, 1962. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Operations under the International River Improvements Act for the year 
ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 11 of the said Act, chapter 47, 
Statutes of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Dinsdale, — Copy of Ordinances, Chapters 1 to 18, made by the 
Commissioner in Council of the Yukon Territory, assented to December 3, 
1962, pursuant to section 20 of the Yukon Act, chapter 53, Statutes of Canada, 
1952-53, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-28, dated January 
3, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, — Report of the Department of Forestry for the year ended March 31, 
1962, pursuant to section 12 of the Department of Forestry Act, chapter 41, 
Statutes of Canada, 1960. (English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 17, 1962, for a copy of all correspondence, 
and any records of discussions, exchanged between the government or any 
Minister thereof and the Civil Service Federation of Canada, the Civil Service 
Association of Canada and the Professional Institute of the Public Service of 
Canada, dated since June 18, 1962, regarding (a) pay increases in the public 
service, and (b) negotiating procedures and ways of resolving differences arising 
therefrom. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 10). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 7, 
1962, (^Question No. 596) showing: 1. How many women and men have 
declared that they could speak, read and write English only, and French only, 
at competitions or examinations held by the Civil Service Commission for 
appointments made during 1961, to fill the following positions (a) 16 in the 



430 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Public Archives (b) 17 in the Insurance Department (c) 23 in the Auditor- 
General's Office (d) 6 in the National Library (e) 6 in the Board of Broadcast 
Governors (/) 14 in the House of Commons (g) 13 in the Board of Transport 
Commissioners (h) 13 in the National Gallery of Canada, and (i) 11 in the 
National Energy Board? 

2. Among those who were appointed following the above-mentioned 
competitions or examinations, how many women and men declared that they 
could speak, read and write both English and French? 

3. For the appointments above-mentioned, what were the various positions 
offered in each department? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 5, 
1962, {Question No. 795) showing: 1. Is the publication, called "Canadian 
Intelligence Service", emanating from Flesherton, Ontario, an official publica- 
tion of the Government of Canada? 

2. If not (a) has the government received any protests concerning the use 
of this title for a non-governmental publication (b) has the government any 
control over the use of such titles by non- governmental publications (c) does 
the government endeavour to discourage the use of such titles by non-govern- 
mental publications? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 12, 
1962, (Question No. 1,080) showing: In the fiscal year 1961-62 what is the 
amount of subsidies granted to (a) the butter industry (b) the coal industry (c) 
the gold mining industry (d) the railway industry? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 10, 
1962, (Question No. 1,072) showing: What is (a) man hours of work (b) value 
of labour content, in each $10,000 of production of the following items in 
Canada: (i) automobiles (ii) wheat (iii) milk (iv) canned fruits and vege- 
tables (v) house-building (vi) oil at well-head (vii) farm implements (viii) 
average lead-zinc production (ix) newsprint (x) plywood (xi) herring for 
reduction (xii) canned sockeye salmon? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 17, 
1962, (Question No. 1,111) showing: 1. What was the total cost of dredging in 
the Canadian channel of the St. Lawrence Seaway at the foot of Wolfe Island 
during the past two years? 

2. To what company was the contract given for this dredging? 

3. Is the contract now entirely completed? 

4. What is the ordinary depth of the St. Lawrence Seaway channel? 

5. To what depth was the Canadian channel dredged at the foot of Wolfe 
Island? 

6. Did the Minister of Transport issue instructions that only ships proceed- 
ing to Kingston were to use the Canadian channel when passing Wolfe Island? 

7. How many ships, other than pleasure craft, proceeded to Kingston Har- 
bour upstream through the Canadian channel during the 1962 navigation season? 

8. How many ships, other than pleasure craft, proceeded downstream 
through the Canadian channel during the 1962 navigation season? 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 21sT JANUARY 431 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 17, 
1962, (Question No. 1,127) showing: Does the Columbia River Treaty, as it now 
stands, permit Canada to finalize a price for the sale of surplus power prior 
to the ratification of this Treaty by Canada? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 19, 
1962, (Question No. 1,150) showing: 1. In 1961, how many university students 
at the bachelor degree level were employed during the summer as assistants in 
Customs and Excise offices? 

2. How many came from the Universities of Laval, Montreal, and Sher- 
brooke or other centres of learning in the Province of Quebec? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 19, 
1962, (Question No. 1,222) showing: 1. What was the total amount in the 
Unemployment Insurance Fund at the end of each of the fiscal years 1956-57 
to 1960-61 inclusive? 

2. What were the total payments of Unemployment Insurance claims during 
each of these fiscal years? 

3. What was the total administrative cost of operating the Unemployment 
Insurance Service for each of these fiscal years? 

4. What was the total income of the Unemployment Insurance Fund during 
each of the fiscal years 1956-57 to 1960-61 inclusive? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 24, 
1962, for a copy of a table showing, day-by-day, the amount of the forward 
commitments entered into by the Bank of Canada to buy or sell U.S. dollars 
or pounds sterling, from April 9 to June 24, 1962, inclusive. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 29). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 24, 
1962, for a statement of the total official holdings of gold and foreign exchange, 
including U.S. dollars, held in the Exchange Fund Account and Bank of Canada 
at the beginning of business on April 9, 1962. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 30). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 24, 
1962, for a statement of the total forward commitments to buy or sell U.S. 
dollars or pounds sterling, entered into by the Bank of Canada, as at the begin- 
ning of business on April 9, 1962. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 31). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 10, 
1962, (Question No. 1,063) showing: 1. How much has been expended by the 
federal government on the Indian reservation at Weymontachie (near Sanmaur) 
each year since 1955? 

2. What is the name of the firm or firms which supply this Indian reserva- 
tion? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 17, 
1962, (Question No. 1,116) showing: 1. Since its creation, what amount has 
the Forestry Department spent for research? 

2. What research projects have been undertaken? 

3. What action has been taken as a result of such research projects? 



432 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 
1962, {Question No. 384) showing: Since the commencement of the investigation 
into the alleged conspiracy to bring people of Chinese origin to Canada illegally, 
have any charges been laid against any person as a result of that investigation 
and, if so, with respect to each such person, what were (a) his name, address, 
and occupation (b) his history of employment in the Public Service of Canada 
(c) the wording of the charge or charges so laid (d) the results of any Court 
action, giving the name of the Court (e) the penalties, if any, imposed? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 29, 
1962, (Question No. 386) showing: Has any employee in the Public Service of 
Canada, past or present, full-time or part-time, casual or otherwise, been the 
subject of any interrogation as a result of the investigation into the alleged 
conspiracy to bring people of Chinese origin to Canada illegally? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 3, 
1962, (Question No. 960) showing: What Crown Corporations, Government 
Boards, and other similar government agencies, not directly under departmental 
authority, are actively functioning at the present time? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 3, 
1962, (Question No. 997) showing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, 
has any plywood been purchased for or sent to the Fort St. John Indian Agency 
and, if so, how much, at what cost, and from whom was it purchased and to 
whom was it sent? 

2. With respect to each such shipment or purchase, how much was used, 
by whom and for what purpose, and has any disappeared or not been used and, 
if so, how much in each case? 

3. If any has "disappeared", what steps have been taken to locate it and 
deal with its "disappearance"? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 3, 
1962, (Question No. 998) showing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, 
has any barbed or other type of wire or wire fencing been purchased for or sent 
to the Fort St. John Indian Agency, and, if so, what volume of wire, by type, at 
what cost and from whom was it purchased, and to whom was it sent? 

2. "With respect to each such shipment or purchase, how much was used, 
by whom and for what purpose, and has any "disappeared" or not been used 
and, if so, how much in each case? 

3. If any has "disappeared" what steps have been taken to locate it and 
deal with its "disappearance"? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated Decem.ber 3, 
1962, (Question No. 999) showing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, 
has any farm machinery been purchased for or sent to the Fort St. John Indian 



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Agency and, if so, how many of what types of machinery, and at what cost and 
from whom was it purchased, and to whom was it sent? 

2. Was any instruction given to Indians in the said Agency in the use of 
this machinery and, if so, to whom, by whom, and on what dates? 

3. Has any of the machinery been put to use and, to what extent? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 3, 
1962, (Question No. 1,000) showing: 1. For each year during the past ten years, 
has any power-saw or saws been purchased for, or sent to, the Fort St. John 
Indian Agency and, if so, what number, at what cost, and from whom were 
they purchased and to whom were they sent? 

2. Do the records of the Indian Agency or any other section of the Indian 
Affairs Branch indicate to whom each saw was provided and has any inquiry 
or investigation been made to determine whether or not the saws actually got 
into the possession of the person for whom each was destined, and, if so, what 
has been the result of that investigation and what action has been taken or is 
contemplated as a result thereof? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 5, 
1962, (Question No. 1,003) showing: 1, Upon what date was the land acquired 
for the settlement of the Fort Nelson Indians near Muskwa at or near Mile 
295 of the Alaska Highway, and is there a military camp or establishment at 
that location and, if so, how many men are stationed at it? 

2. Were some or all of these Indians previously living on or near a so- 
called traditional reserve named "The Old Fort" and, if so, how far distant is 
"The Old Fort" from the present settlement near Muskwa? 

3. Who initiated the proposal to move these Indians and upon what date 
was that proposal made? 

4. During the tim.e that he was Superintendent of the Fort St. John Indian 
Agency, did Mr. Galibois, by himself or in conjunction with any other person, 
buy, stake, or otherwise gain control over any land on or near the so-called 
traditional reserve and, if so, has the government reviewed the circumstances 
under which the land was so purchased? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 10, 
1962, (Question No. 1,114) showing: 1. What is the total population and number 
of families residing on each of the Indian Reserves of the Miramichi Indian 
Agency located in Northumberland County, New Brunswick? 

2. (a) What is the acreage held for each of the Indian Reserves of Red 
Bank, Burnt Church, and Eel Ground in Northumberland County, New Bruns- 
wick, where are these tracts of land located, and what is the respective acreage 
(b) what portion of these lands, by individual Reserves, is considered produc- 
tive for saw-logs, pulpwood or other forest products (c) what are the Quantities 
of forest products produced off these lands, by individual Reserves, for each 
year 1955 to 1961 inclusive? 



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By Mr. Monteith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General,— Report of the Department of National 
Health and Welfare for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 10 
of the Department of National Health and Welfare Act, chapter 74, R.S.C., 1952, 

By Mr. Nowlan, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement pre- 
pared in the form of Schedule Q to the Bank Act, showing Composite Current 
Operating Earnings and Expenses of the Chartered Banks of Canada for the 
financial years ended in 1962, pursuant to section 119(1) of the said Act, chapter 
48, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Mr. Nowlan, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Canada, 
Volume II, Annual Statements of Fire and Casualty Insurance Companies and 
of Accident and Sickness Insurance transacted by Life Insurance Companies in 
Canada, for the year ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to section 9 of the 
Department of Insurance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Nowlan, — Report on the Operations of the Municipal Improvements 
Assistance Act for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 11 of 
the said Act, chapter 183, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Nowlan, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Public Accounts of Canada for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 64(1) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, 
(English and French), in three volumes, as follows: 

Volume I — Summary Report and Financial Statements; 

Volume II — Details of Expenditures and Revenues; and 

Volume III — Financial Statements of Crown Corporations and Auditors' 
Reports thereon. 

By Mr. Nowlan, — Report of the Auditor-General to the House of Commons 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 70(2) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 22nd JANUARY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Starr, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copies of Authentic Texts of Conventions and Recommendations adopted by 
the Forty-sixth Session of the International Labour Conference, held in Geneva 
in June 1962 (English and French), together with copies of a letter from the 
Deputy Attorney General of Canada setting out the federal and provincial 
legislative jurisdiction with respect to the following international instruments: 

(1) Convention No. 117 concerning Basic Aims and Standards of Social 
Policy. 

(2) Convention No. 118 concerning Equality of Treatment of Nationals 
and Non-Nationals in Social Security. 

(3) Recommendation No. 116 concerning Reduction of Hours of Work. 

(4) Recommendation No. 117 concerning Vocational Training. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau for 
Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Baker, — That Bill C-87, An Act to provide for 
the establishment of a National Economic Development Board, be now read a 
second time. 

And debate continuing; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3)] 

(Private Bills) 
By unanimous consent. Order No. 373 was given precedence. 

Whereupon, Bill S-10, An Act to incorporate The Ukrainian Canadian 
Foundation of Taras Shevchenko, was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

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Bill SD-4, An Act for the relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins, was con- 
sidered in Committee of the Whole, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting 
of the House. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau for Mr, 
Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Balcer, — That Bill C-87, An Act to provide for the 
establishment of a National Economic Development Board, be now read a 
second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address dated December 19, 1962, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of any correspondence since September 27, 1962, between the federal 
government and any provincial government concerning the introduction of 
legislation dealing with the question of the portability of pensions. — {Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 60). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 19, 
1962, {Question No. 1,173) showing: How many projects, designated as histor- 
ical sites, have been approved by the federal government for development or 
assistance during the years 1959, 1960, 1961, and 1962, giving the locations and 
the amount spent or approved for each? 

Twenty-sixth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as foUows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, filed after November 8th, 1962, and presented on 
January 21st by Mr. Mandziuk, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70. 
Hov/ever, these petitions v/ere not filed within the time limit specified by 
Standing Order 93: 

Elizabeth Heubach Peck, wife of Hugh S. Peck of Lac Carre, Quebec. 
Daisy Emily Dorothy Ryan, wife of Lawrence Ryan of Montreal, Quebec. 
Adrien Tellier of Rouyn, Quebec, husband of Gisele Langlois Tellier. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 23rd JANUARY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the recent correspondence 
between the Prime Minister of Canada and the Premiers of Quebec and New- 
foundland, concerning the proposed amendment to the British North America 
Act relative to pensions, be printed as an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Davis be substituted for that of Mr. Batten on the 
Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton) for Mr. Hees, seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave 
of the House, introduced Bill C-107, An Act to amend the Export and Import 
Permits Act, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Harkness, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-108, An Act to amend the Industrial Development Bank Act, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Fleming (Eglinton), seconded by Mr. Churchill, by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-109, An Act to amend the Parole Act, which was read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



438 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 1,238, by Mr. Legare, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Has the Department of National Revenue or of Citizenship and 
Immigration instituted negotiations with the St-C6me-de-Beauce Telephone 
Company concerning installation of a telephone system in the Customs and 
Immigration offices at Armstrong, Beauce County and, if so, what decision was 
reached? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 1,257, by Mr. Sauve, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: For each fiscal year from April 1, 1950 to March 31, 1962 (a) what was 
the total amount levied through direct and indirect taxation in the Province 
of Quebec by the federal government (b) what was the total amount of 
the estimates of the federal government which were apportioned to the 
Province of Quebec? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — ^Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 1,269, by Mr. Knowles, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Is it the practice of the Prime Minister's office, the office of the 
Minister of Labour and other Cabinet Ministers to have letters concerning 
employment referred to officials of the Unemployment Insurance Commission? 

2. Are officials of the Unemployment Insurance Commission requested to 
give preference in finding employment to persons writing Cabinet Ministers, or 
to persons whose letters are referred thereto by Cabinet Ministers? 

3. Does the Minister of Labour request from officials of the Unemployment 
Insurance Commission reports from time to time concerning the finding of 
employment for persons referred to in part 2 above? 

4. Does the office of the Minister of Labour maintain a ffie of persons 
writing him, other Cabinet Ministers, and of persons whose letters are referred 
to his office, until the Unemployment Insurance Commission finds work for 
them? 

5. Does the Chief Commissioner of the Unemployment Insurance Commis- 
sion, or any of his officials, retain a file on what is done in response to letters 
received as noted in part 2 above? 

6. How many letters have been handled by the office of the Minister of 
Labour from persons seeking employment during 1959, 1960, 1961 and 1962? 

7. How many letters have been received by the Unemployment Insurance 
Commission through the office of the Minister of Labour and other Cabinet Min- 
isters, or referred through such offices, with respect to people seeking employ- 
ment during 1959, 1960, 1961 and 1962? 

8. Is preference given by the Minister of Labour and the Unemployment 
Insurance Commission to persons writing to government supporters seeking 
employment? 

9. What is the policy of the government and the Unemployment Insurance 
Commission, with respect to referring to employment, workers registered with 
the Unemployment Insurance Commission offices, and are they referred on (a) 



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the recommendation of the Minister of Labour and government supporters (b) 
their qualifications, or (c) the length of time of their registration with the 
Unemployment Insurance Commission offices? 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 54, 59, 64 and 65) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 

On motion of Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Winch, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between the Govern- 
ment of Canada, its officials and agents thereof and the Government of Ontario, 
or its agents and other interested persons and organizations regarding the 
education of the Indian population in the Riding of Timiskaming, since January 
1, 1960. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 61). 

On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Winch, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of any reports concerning the 
moving of the maintenance and overhaul base of Trans- Canada Air Lines from 
Winnipeg to Montreal obtained by TCA from Wallace Clark or any other firms 
of consultants. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 62). 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions", 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, moved, — That the Public 
Accounts, Volumes I, II, and III, and the Report of the Auditor General for 
the fiscal year ended March 31, 1962, laid before the House on January 21, 1963, 
be referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Freight Rates Reduction Act, was again 
considered in Committee of the Whole, and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Brown, seconded by Mr. Macdonald (Rosedale), moved, — That the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections be empowered to consider the 
advisability of amending the Canada Elections Act to limit the election expend- 
itures of all candidates to an effective ceiling, and to provide for a strict 
accountability of all such expenditures of each candidate, and at the same time 
to provide for the payment of the legally permitted election expenses of all 
candidates, who in the election secure a reasonable proportion of the total votes 
cast in each constituency; and to report to the House such proposals or sug- 
gested amendments relating to the said Act as the Committee may deem to be 
advisable. — (Notice of Motion No. 21). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



440 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Baker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of exemp- 
tions authorized by the Minister of Transport under section 137 of the Canada 
Shipping Act in cases when no master or officer was available with required 
certificate and experience, for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 137(2) of the said Act, chapter 29, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated November 14, 1962, {^Question No. 671) show- 
ing: How many prevailing rates employees in Halifax-Dartmouth and area are 
affected by the ''freeze" on wages adjustments announced November 6? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 14, 
1962, {*Question No. 706) showing: 1. Does the government intend to proceed 
this year with the construction of a post office for the parish of St-Paul-de- 
Grand'Mere? 

2. Will any winter works be undertaken in the constituency of St. Maurice- 
Lafleche this year? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 3, 
1962, {Question No. 981) showing: 1. Has the federal government title to any 
property fronting on the Ottawa River between the City of Ottawa and the 
Carillon Dam? 

2. Has the federal government any responsibility for lands fronting on the 
Ottawa River? 

3. Did the federal government enter into any agreement with the Govern- 
ments of the Provinces of Ontario and Quebec with respect to the Carillon Dam 
development? 

4. If so, has the federal government any financial responsibility for damage 
to property fronting on the Ottawa River resulting from operations connected 
with the Carillon Dam development? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 5, 
1962, (Question No. 1,028) showing: 1. In the 1962-63 Estimates, what federal 
public works were provided for Dorchester constituency? 

2. What are the federal works presently proceeding in Dorchester con- 
stituency, and what is the amount of money involved in the execution of these 
works? 

3. Has the Prime Minister received representations concerning the can- 
cellation of public works projects in Dorchester constituency and, if so, what 
was the nature of such representations and by whom were they made? 

4. Does the government intend to act on any representations received 
recommending the cancellation of any public works in Dorchester constituency? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 5, 
1962, (Question No. 1,036) showing: In the City of Vancouver (a) how many 
properties are leased or rented by the Government of Canada and all its 
agencies (b) in 1961, what total rents were paid on all the properties and (c) 
in 1961, what total rent was paid by the C.B.C.? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 12, 
1962, (Question No. 1,109) showing: 1. To date, what amount has been paid 
annually to each province of Canada, including the Province of Quebec, under 
the Trans-Canada Highway Act? 



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2. To date, what other amounts, if any, are to be paid to each province, 
including the Province of Quebec, with respect to the Trans-Canada Highway? 

3. To date, how many miles of highway have been built in each province, 
including the Province of Quebec? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 12, 
1962, (Question No. 1,128) showing: 1. Which departments of the federal 
government include a welfare service unit in its organization? 

2. Has consideration been given to combining such units in the interest of 
efficiency? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 19, 

1962, (Question No. 1,224) showing: 1. Does the Mer Bleue peat and spruce 
bog, Southeast of Ottawa, come under the jurisdiction of the National Capital 
Commission? 

2. Is this bog considered a valuable wildlife sanctuary by spokesmen for 
the Canadian Wildlife Service and outstanding Canadian biologists, zoologists 
and naturalists? 

3. Are the National Capital Commission and the City of Ottawa giving con- 
sideration to the use of this bog as a garbage disposal area? 

4. What action is the government taking to prevent the destruction of this 
valuable wildlife sanctuary, which will provide a unique area for research and, 
in addition, recreational facilities? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated January 21, 

1963, (Question No. 1,241) showing: 1. What is the nature, place and value of 
federal works under way or completed in the constituency of Lac- Saint- Jean 
during 1962? 

2. What is the nature, place and estimated value of federal works at 
present under study for the constituency of Lac-Saint-Jean? 

3. What amount did the Department of Public Works spend in each of 
the ten provinces of Canada during 1960-61, and to November 1, 1962? 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 24th JANUARY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Five petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had received a communication 
notifying him that a vacancy had occurred in the representation, namely: 

The Honourable William Earl Rowe, Member for the Electoral District of 
Dufferin-Simcoe, by resignation. 

And that he had addressed his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for 
the issue of a new Writ of Election for the said Electoral District. 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 
CANADA 

ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF DUFFERIN-SIMCOE 

DOMINION OF CANADA \ 
TO WIT: j 

To the Honourable The Speaker of the House of Commons: 

I, William Earl Rowe, Member of the House of Commons of Canada, for 
the Electoral District of Dufferin-Simcoe, do hereby resign my seat in the said 
House of Commons, for the constituency aforesaid. 

Given under my hand and seal at Ottawa, this eighth day of January, 1963. 

W. EARL ROWE (L.S.) 
Witness: Robert B. Fairnie 
Witness: Helen T. Davis 
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Mr. Monteith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Report, dated December 1962, of the Special Committee on New Drugs 
(Dr. F. S. Brien, Chairman) appointed by The Royal College of Physicians and 
Surgeons of Canada at the request of the Minister of National Health and Wel- 
fare, (English and French). 

Mr. Dinsdale, seconded by Mr. Martineau, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to assist and facilitate the 
development of the National Museum of Canada and to establish a Canadian 
Historical Museum, a Canadian Museum of Natural History, a Canadian 
Museum of Science and to authorize such other museums as may be established 
by the Governor in Council, as the integral parts of the National Museum; to 
provide for the appointment of the Director General of the National Museum 
who shall be paid such salary as may be fixed by the Governor in Council; and 
to provide also for the establishment of a National Museum Advisory Com- 
mittee and for the payment of the travelling expenses and per diem allowances 
of the members thereof. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions" to permit the 
Right Honourable the Prime Minister to make a statement concerning the 
Atlantic Development Board. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (3) ] 

(Private Bills) 
By unanimous consent. Order No. 447 was given precedence. 

Whereupon, Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate The Pharmacy Examining 
Board of Canada, was read the second time and referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

Bill SD-5, An Act for the relief of Marion Ruth Catherine Slattery, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting 
of the House. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Green, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Second Commonwealth Education Conference held in New Delhi, 11-25 
January, 1962. (English and French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 25th JANUARY, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker laid before the House, — Extract from the Minutes of a 
Meeting of the Commissioners of Internal Economy of the House of Commons 
of Canada, held at Ottawa on Thursday, January 24, 1963, authorizing Salary 
Revisions for Employees of the House of Commons in certain Classifications. 
(English and French). 



Mr. Monteith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Report dated December 1962, of the Expert Committee on the Habihta- 
tion of Congenital Anomalies Associated with Thalidomide. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day or at the next sitting of the House as the case may be. 



5.00 o'clock p.m. 

By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' Business was set 
aside. 



Whereupon the House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



448 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated November 14, 1962, for copies of all correspondence 
or any documents exchanged between the Minister of Public Works and any 
other person or persons regarding the advisability of undertaking the construc- 
tion of a canal along the ancient river bed of the Eraser to connect the Pitt 
River with Burrard Inlet. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 40). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 28, 
1962, for a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, options, contracts or other 
documents in the possession of any department or agency of the federal govern- 
ment in connection with the purchase of land for the construction of a public 
building at Beauceville. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 46). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 21, 
1962, (^Question No. 728) showing: What was the price paid for building stone 
and granite imported into Canada during 1959-60-61, and to what extent were 
such materials used in the construction of federal government buildings? 

Twenty-seventh Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing 
Order 70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following for a divorce Act, filed after November 8th, 1962, and presented on 
January 24th by Mr. Mandziuk, meets the requirements of Standing Order 70. 
However, this petition was not filed within the time limit specified by Standing 
Order 93: 

Dorothy Hazel Neila Bell Beausoleil, wife of Joseph Albert William Beau- 
soleil of Montreal, Quebec. 

Twenty-eighth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, filed after November 8th, 1962, and presented on January 24th meet 
the requirements of Standing Order 70. However, these petitions were not filed 
within the time limit specified by Standing Order 93. 

Confederation Life Association, and in French, Association d'assurance sur 
la vie dite de la Confederation, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
changing its name in French to "La Confederation, Compagnie d' Assurance- 
Vie".— Mr. Wahn. 

Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust Company, and in French, Com- 
pagnie de Fiducie Canada Permanent Toronto General, for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Canada Permanent Trust Com- 
pany", and in French, "La Canada Permanent, Compagnie de Fiducie". — Mr. 
Macdonald (Rosedale). 

The Ukrainian National Federation of Canada for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation enabling it to establish branches, boards, committees or other 
bodies as corporate entities, with power to manage its various undertakings. 
■ — Mr. Mandziuk. 



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The Great-West Life Assurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, 
either the name "The Great-West Life Assurance Company" and/or "La Great- 
West, compagnie d'assurance-vie". — Mr. Muir (Lisgar). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Mcllraith be substituted for that of Mr. Honey on the Standing 
Committee on Public Accounts. 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

Question No. 1,268, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. How many graduate lawyers, by departments, were employed in the 
Public Service of Canada as of December 31, 1962? 

2. How many of these, by departments, were employed in a legal, as 
distinct from an administrative capacity? 

3. What progress has been made to implement the Glassco Commission 
recommendations (a) to integrate legal services within the Department of Jus- 
tice (b) to establish branch legal offices in centres across Canada? 

*Question No. 1,323, by Mr. Deschatelets, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: From January 1962 up to date, what were the amounts paid for each 
month as unemployment benefits? 

Mr. Hales, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Labour, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

Question No. 1,331, by Mr. Badanai, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What is the situation surrounding the removal of the present border 
crossing from its location at Pigeon River, Ontario, to the new site at High 
Falls, Ontario? 

2. Has a contract been awarded for the construction of buildings to 
accommodate Customs and Immigration offices at High Falls and, if so, what 
is the amount of the contract? 



452 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

3. Will the present bridge at Pigeon River be removed and, if not, will it 
be put to any particular use? 

Bill C-87, An Act to provide for the establishment of a National Economic 
Development Board, was again considered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 
At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 
[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (3)"] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Deschatelets, seconded by Mr. Lessard (Saint-Henri), moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should give consideration to the 
advisability of introducing legislation to provide assistance to epileptics: 

(1) by requiring the federal Civil Service and industry at large to hire a 
fixed percentage of employable epileptics, as is done in the United 
Kingdom and elsewhere; 

(2) by promoting with the provinces admission of epileptic children in 
regular schools on the same basis as any other children; 

(3) by increasing the research work on epilepsy, and by contributing with 
the provinces to the erection of treatment centers (Foyer Dieppe) for 
male and female sick persons; 

(4) by improving the conditions under which epileptics live, through a 
more active public campaign. — (Notice of Motion No. 22). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-87, 
An Act to provide for the establishment of a National Economic Development 
Board, and further progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
January 23, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, 
R.S.C., 1953. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-125, dated January 25, 1963, authorizing, under section 21a of the 
Export Credits Insurance Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by Dominion Steel and Coal Corporation of 



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steel rail and track accessories to Ferrocarriles Nacionales de Mexico (The 
Mexican National Railways), pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, chapter 
105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Valade, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Howard be substituted for that of Mr. Orlikow on the Special 
Committee on Food and Drugs. 

Bill C-87, An Act to provide for the establishment of a National Economic 
Development Board, was again considered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Memhers' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 
By unanimous consent, Order No. 370 was given precedence. 

Whereupon, the Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-9, An 
Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western Canada; 

Mr. More, seconded by Mr. Kennedy, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



456 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Bill SD-6, An Act for the relief of Sonja Bagry, was considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-87, 
An Act to provide for the establishment of a National Economic Development 
Board, and further progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 30th JANUARY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



One petition for a Private Bill was presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 

Mr. Rapp, seconded by Mr. Bigg, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-110, An Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act (Agricultural 
Employees' Coverage), which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

^Question No. 1,276, by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — Order of the House for 
a Return showing: 1. What is the national average concentration of strontium 
90, according to latest measurements? 

2. What is the average concentration of strontium 90 in the Northwest 
Territories and Canadian Arctic regions according to the latest measurements? 

3. What does the Canadian Government consider as a "safe level" of 
strontium 90? 

4. When did the Canadian Government first take measurements of stron- 
tium 90 concentration in the Northwest Territories and the Canadian Arctic? 

5. When did the Canadian Government first publish its findings regarding 
strontium 90 concentration in the Northwest Territories and the Canadian 
Arctic? 

Mrs. Casselman, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National 
Health and Welfare, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



458 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

Question No. 1,333, by Mr. Beer, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many persons came to Canada in each calendar year 1950 to 1962 
inclusive, from which countries did they come and what are the numbers from 
each country? 

2. How many persons left Canada during the same period by years, and to 
which countries did they migrate? 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 59, 67 and 68) having 
been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 

On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Orlikow, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, dated since 
July 1, 1962, exchanged between the Minister of National Health and Welfare 
and the Winnipeg School Board concerning the subject of smoking in relation 
to the health of school children. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 64). 



On motion of Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Byrne, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all regulations made by the 
Governor in Council pursuant to Section 653 of the Criminal Code of Canada 
with respect to the execution of sentences of death. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 65). 



On motion of Mr. Robichaud, seconded by Mr. Badanai, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other communications as from December 1, 1962 to date, between the 
Government of Canada, its officials or any interested persons regarding the 
closing restrictions on the Roosevelt Memorial Bridge linking Campobello 
Island in New Brunswick with Lubec, Maine. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 66). 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Chapdelaine, seconded by Mr. Cook, moved. — That this House is of the 
opinion that a select committee be appointed to consider with Mr. Speaker the 
procedure of this House for the purpose of suggesting any changes that may be 
desirable to effect the more expeditious despatch of public business. — (Notice 
of Motion No. 23). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of cases 
in which ships were exempted from the obligation of carrying certificated 
masters, mates or engineers under the provisions of section 137 of the Canada 
Shipping Act, for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 137(2) 
of the said Act, chapter 29, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address dated December 5, 1962, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of all communications received by the government or any member 
thereof since July 8, 1961 regarding the recommendation of the Joint Com- 
mittee on Indian Affairs that "Indian Affairs should be the subject of a 
Dominion-Provincial Conference in order that such matters may be transferred 
to provincial jurisdiction as may be mutually acceptable to the Indian people, 
provincial and federal authorities"; together with copies of any replies made 
thereto.— (JVotice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 55). 

By Mr. Hees, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Opera- 
tions under the Export and Import Permits Act for the year ended December 
31, 1962, pursuant to section 26 of the said Act, chapter 27, Statutes of Canada, 
1953-54. (English and French). 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 31st JANUARY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pearson, from his place in the House, asked leave under Standing 
Order 26 to move the adjournment of the House for the purpose of discussing 
a definite matter of urgent public importance, and stated the matter to be: 
"The statement made last night by the U.S. Department of State contradicting 
the recent statements of the Prime Minister and the Minister of National 
Defence, concerning the joint defence arrangements of the Canadian and U.S. 
governments". 

Mr. Speaker, having stated that the question could be raised when a Supply- 
Motion is called on Monday next, decided that the question was not a matter 
of "urgent public importance" within the meaning of those words under 
Standing Order 26. 



Whereupon the Honourable the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Pearson) 
stated that he desired to appeal to the House from this decision. 



Mr. Speaker ruled that there could be no appeal to the House in this regard, 
and quoted from Hansard (page 1153, Volume I, 1960) where the then Speaker 
said: "I refer the honourable Member to the Journals of the House of Commons 
for 1955, page 858, where the same point was dealt with by the Speaker of 
the day, who said: 

'In the future, whenever I make a ruling to the effect that the motion 
should not be accepted because it is not in order or is not of urgent public 
importance — that is, that there is no urgency of debate — I will not grant 
an appeal from my decision that there is no appeal.' " 



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Thereupon the Honourable Member for Essex East (Mr. Martin) appealed 
to the House from the ruling that there could be no appeal from a ruling by 
the Chair under Standing Order 26. 

And the Members having been called in; 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair, on the appeal to the House of the Honourable Member for Essex East 
(Mr. Martin), be sustained?" — It was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Fleming (Eglinton), 


MacEwan, 


Ormiston, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


MacLean (Queens), 


Paul, 


Balcer, 


Revelstoke), 


Macquarrie, 


Phillips, 


Baldwin, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


■ MacRae, 


Pigeon, 


Baskin, 


Carleton), 


McBain, 


Pugh, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Forbes, 


McCleave, 


Rapp, 


Bell (Saint John- 


Fulton, 


McDonald 


Ricard, 


Albert), 


Grafftey, 


(Hamilton South), 


Rynard, 


Belzile. 


Green, 


McGee, 


Sams, 


Bigg, 


Grills, 


McGrath, 


Sevigny, 


Bourbonnais, 


Gundlock, 


Mcintosh, 


Simpson, 


Bradley, 


Hales, 


McPhillips, 


Skoreyko, 


Cadieu, 


Halpenny, 


Mandziuk, 


Slogan, 


Cardiff, 


Harkness, 


Martineau, 


Smallwood, 


Casselman OVErs.), 


Hees, 


Millar, 


Smith 


Chatterton, 


Hodgson, 


Monteith, 


(Calgary South), 


Chown, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Moore, 


Smith 


Churchill, 


Horner 


More, 


(Simcoe North), 


Clancy, 


(Jasper-Edson), 


Morris, 


Southam, 


Coates, 


Horner 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Starr, 


Cooper, 


(The Battlefords), 


North and 


Stefanson, 


Crouse, 


Howe, 


Victoria), 


Stenson, 


Diefenbaker, 


Jones, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Thomas, 


Dinsdale, 


Jorgenson, 


Nasserden, 


Valade, 


Doucett, 


Kennedy, 


Nielsen, 


Vincent, 


English, 


Kindt, 


Nowlan, 


Webb, 


Enns, 


Korchinski, 


Nugent, 


Weichel, 


Fairclough (Mrs.), 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


O'Hurley, 


Winkler, 


Fane, 






Woolliams — 104. 



Nays 





Messrs: 




Addison, 


Boulanger, 


Chapdelaine, 


Dupuis, 


Argue, 


Boutin, 


Chevrier, 


Ethier, 


Asselin, 


Brewin, 


Clermont, 


Eudes, 


Badanai, 


Brown, 


Clunis, 


Fisher, 


Barnett, 


Burgess, 


Cook, 


Foy, 


Batten, 


Byrne, 


Cote, 


Frenette, 


Beaule, 


Cadieux, 


Cowan, 


Garland, 


Bechard, 


Cameron 


Grossman, 


Godin, 


Beer, 


(High Park), 


Davis, 


Gordon, 


Belanger, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Denis, 


Granger, 


Benidickson, 


Cowichan-The 


Deschatelets, 


Gray, 


Benson, 


Islands), 


Dionne, 


Gregoire, 


Berger, 


Caouette, 


Douglas, 


Habel, 


Bernier, 


Caron, 


Drouin, 


Haidasz, 


Boucher, 


Carter, 


Dube, 


Hardie (Mrs.): 



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THURSDAY, 


3 1st JANUARY 




Harley, 


Lessard 


Munro, 


Rock, 


Herridge, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Nicholson, 


Rondeau, 


Honey, 


Lewis, 


Nixon, 


Rouleau, 


Howard, 


Loiselle, 


Olson, 


Roxburgh, 


Knowles, 


Macdonald 


Otto, 


Roy, 


Laing, 


(Rosedale), 


Ouellet, 


Ryan, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


MacEachen, 


Pearson, 


Sauve, 


Lamoureux, 


Maclnnis, 


Pennell, 


Scott, 


Lamy, 


Mcllraith, 


Perron, 


Tardif, 


Langlois, 


McMillan, 


Peters, 


Teillet, 


Laniel, 


McNulty, 


Pickersgill, 


Thompson, 


Laprise, 


Maltais, 


Pilon, 


Tucker, 


Latulippe, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Plourde, 


Wahn, 


Leboe, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Richard, 


Walker, 


Leduc, 


Mather, 


Rinfret, 


Webster, 


Legare, 


Matheson, 


Robichaud, 


Whelan— 122, 


Lessard 


Matte, 


Rochon, 




(Lac-Saint-Jean), 









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And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair, on the appeal to the House of the Honourable the Leader of the Opposi- 
tion (Mr. Pearson), be sustained?" — It was negatived, on division. 

Whereupon Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), moved, — 
That this House do now adjourn. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Notices of Motions {Papers)'\ 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. MacEachen, — That an humble Address be presented to 
His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before this House copies 
of correspondence or any documents exchanged between the Prime Minister and 
the Minister of Finance or any other Minister of the Crown and officers of the 
Department of Justice or the Privy Council or any other government depart- 
ment or agency on the subject of Surcharge and Imports Order, P.C. 1962-902, 
dated June 24, 1962, and the amendment to the Surcharge and Imports Order, 
P.C. 1962-987, dated July 11, 1962, and the Import Control List as amended by 
P.C. 1962-903, dated June 24, 1962, with particular reference to the legality 
of such Orders. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 16). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That this House do now adjourn. 

And debate continuing; 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of work 
performed and expenditures made as of December 31, 1962, together with the 
estimated expenditures for 1963, under authority of chapter 13, Statutes of 
Canada, 1957-58, as amended, respecting the construction of a line of railway 
by Canadian National Railway Company from Optic Lake to Chisel Lake, and 
from Chisel Lake to Stall Lake, and the purchase by Canadian National Rail- 
way Company from The International Nickel Company of Canada, Limited, of 
a hne of railway from Sipiwesk to a point on Burntwood River near Mystery 
Lake, all in the Province of Manitoba, pursuant to section 11 of the said Act. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — List of out- 
standing Returns as at January 31, 1963, to Addresses and Orders of the House, 
issued up to January 30, 1963. 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Address dated January 30, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, dated since 
July 1, 1962, exchanged between the Minister of National Health and Welfare 
and the Winnipeg School Board concerning the subject of smoking in relation 
to the health of school children. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 64). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Address dated January 30, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all regulations made by the 
Governor in Council pursuant to Section 653 of the Criminal Code of Canada 
with respect to the execution of sentences of death. — {Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 65). 

Twenty-ninth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following for a divorce Act, filed after November 8th, 1962, and presented on 
January 30th by Mr. Mandziuk, meets the requirements of Standing Order 70. 
However, this petition was not filed within the time limit specified by Standing 
Order 93: 

Marie Claire RoUande Laporte Dubois, wife of Lorenzo Dubois of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrov/ at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day or at the next sitting of the House as the case may be. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following Bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-18, An Act respecting Quebec Fire Assurance Company. — Mr, 
Bourhonnais. 

Bill S-19, An Act respecting Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company. — 
Mr. Pascoe. 

Bill S-20, An Act to incorporate Standard Trust Company. — Mr. Bradley. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order for the second reading of Bill C-23, An Act to amend the 
Industrial Relations and Disputes Investigation Act, was read, discharged, and 
the bill withdrawn. 

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Order No. 2 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-27, An Act to amend 
the Criminal Code (Nuisance); 

Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Balcer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budget 
of The St. Lawrence Seaway Authority for the year ending December 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-105, dated 
January 22, 1963, approving same. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next, at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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. OTTAWA, MONDAY, 4th FEBRUARY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Diefenbaker, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Exchange of letters between the Minister of National Defence and the 
Prime Minister of Canada, dated February 3 and 4, 1963, respectively, concern- 
ing the resignation of Mr. Harkness as Minister of National Defence. 



Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Gordon, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-111, An Act to provide for Review of Administrative Powers and to 
Relieve from their Misapplication (Administrative Review), which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The following Questions were made Orders for Returns under the provi- 
sions of Standing Order 39(4): 

* Question No. 1,292, by Mr. Roxburgh, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Has the government been informed of any progress made since 
November 26 by the provinces toward adopting legislation enabling the 
portability of pensions? 

2. Is the government of the opinion that provincial progress has been 
sufficient to warrant the bringing forward of complementary legislation to deal 
with industries under federal jurisdiction? 

3. Has the government considered making parliamentary pensions 
portable? 

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468 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Question No. 1,358, by Mr. Davis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: What amount of money was spent during the latest year of record on over- 
seas air transportation by government personnel (a) travelling on Canadian- 
based carriers and (b) travelhng on foreign air lines? 



Question No. 1,360, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What percentage of the total world exports in wheat and flour was 
supplied by Canada each year commencing 1950? 

2. What volume of wheat and flour was purchased by Japan in each of 
these years, and what proportion of Canada's total sales to all countries did 
these purchases represent? 

3. By what value did Canada's sales to Japan exceed her imports from 
Japan in each of these years? 

4. By years, how many items imported by Canadians were subjected to 
"voluntary" export control by the Japanese in an attempt to co-operate with 
this government? 

5. What steps has this government taken, with dates, the effect of which 
has been to curtail or limit or restrict Japanese sales to Canada? 

Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



*Question No. 1,361, by Mr. Deschatelets, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: From January 1962 to date, what have been the various amounts 
which the federal government has paid per month to the Province of Quebec 
under the Federal-Provincial Agreement on Unemployment Assistance? 

Mrs. Casselman, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Health 
and Welfare, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



* Question No. 1,370, by Mr. Howard, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. What plans, in detail, exist or are contemplated, to give assistance 
for the sale of CL-44's to (a) Pakistan and (b) Lufthansa? 

2. What steps is the government taking to obtain work for Canadair and 
thus halt the trend toward workers being laid off? 

Mr. O'Hurley, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 1,376, by Mr. Matheson, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. In each of the fiscal years since April 1, 1958, have exports from 
Canada to the United Kingdom exceeded imports and, if so, by what amounts 
in each year? 

2. Have any legislative, administrative or fiscal measures been adopted 
by Canada since June 21, 1957, which have the effect of limiting, restricting or 
taxing imports from the United Kingdom and, if so, what are these measures, 
what is their scope, and on what date was each put into effect? 



Question No. 1,381, by Mr. Fisher, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Has Dr. A. R. Molozzi a position with Defence Research Board and, if 

so, what are his duties and salary? 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 4th FEBRUARY 469 

2. Was Dr. Molozzi speaking as a scientist of Defence Research Board or 
as an ordinary citizen at Kitchener last week when he was quoted as saying, 
"I never have been able to understand a politician."? 

3. If the former, what was the context of his remarks? 

Mr. Sevigny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 1,388, by Mr. Mather, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. How many automobiles were manufactured in Canada in 1962, and what 
was the value of same? 

2. How many automobiles were imported into Canada in 1962? 

3. From what countries were they imported, and what was the value of 
the cars imported from each such country? 

4. How much was collected in customs duties on the cars so imported? 

5. How much in taxes was collected on the cars manufactured in Canada 
in 1962? 



Question No. 1,399, by Mr. Dupuis, — Order of the House for a Return show- 
ing: 1. Does Mr. Yvon Guimond, Stationary Engineer first class, at the RCAF 
Station, St. Jean, Quebec, hold a third class engineer's certificate for the Prov- 
ince of Quebec and, if so, when did he acquire such certificate? 

2. Is Mr. Guimond employed by the federal Civil Service? 

3. Did he obtain the post he now occupies through civil service examina- 
tion and, if so, when did the test take place, and what was his ranking? 

4. If Mr. Guimond did not qualify by examination, how did he obtain his 
present position? 

Mr. Sevigny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Question No. 1,409, by Mr. Haidasz, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: Were any reductions made in the estimates relating to Civil Defence 
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1963 and, if so, what projects were 
eliminated by these reductions? 



*Question No. 1,411, by Mr. Haidasz, — Order of the House for a Return 
showing: 1. Has the government received any complaints from the Canadian 
Consumer Association concerning the abuse of pesticides? 

2. Is the government intending to prosecute offenders in the field of pesti- 
cides and, if so, against whom will these prosecutions be made? 



The Order for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply being 
read for the second time, pursuant to Standing Order 56(2); 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mrs. Fairclough, moved, — ^That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair. 

And the question being proposed; 



470 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH H 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be deleted and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"this government, because of lack of leadership, the breakdown of 
unity in the Cabinet, and confusion and indecision in dealing with 
national and international problems, does not have the confidence of the 
Canadian people." 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Marcoux, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That all the words after "government" be deleted and 
the following substituted therefor: 

"has failed up to this time to give a clear statement of policy 
respecting Canada's national defence, and has failed to organize the 
business of the House so that the 1963-64 Estimates and Budget could 
be introduced, and has failed to outline a positive programme of follow- 
up action respecting many things for which this Parliament and previous 
Parliaments have already given authority, and does not have the con- 
fidence of the Canadian people." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Halpenny, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — ^Return to an 
Order of the House, dated January 23, 1963, for a copy of any reports concern- 
ing the moving of the maintenance and overhaul base of Trans-Canada Air 
Lines from Winnipeg to Montreal obtained by TCA from Wallace Clark or 
any other firms of consultants. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 62). 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 5, 

1962, (Question No. 1,047) showing: 1. How much has been spent since April 1, 
1957, in each fiscal year, on research into Indian Affairs? 

2. What research projects have been carried out since April 1, 1957? 

3. What steps have been taken as the result of these research projects? 

By Mr. Halpenny, — Return to an Order of the House, dated January 28, 

1963, (Question No. 1,331) showing: 1. What is the situation surrounding the 
removal of the present border crossing from its location at Pigeon River, 
Ontario, to the new site at High Falls, Ontario? 

2. Has a contract been awarded for the construction of buildings to 
accommodate Customs and Immigration offices at High Falls and, if so, what 
is the amount of the contract? 

3. Will the present bridge at Pigeon River be removed and, if not, will it 
be put to any particular use? 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 72 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 5th FEBRUARY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Macnaughton, from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, pre- 
sented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

In its Order of Reference dated January 23, 1963, the House has referred 
to this Committee, inter alia, the Report of the Auditor General for the fiscal 
year ended March 31, 1962. 

At its meeting of January 29, 1963, your Committee agreed to give priority 
to two items contained in the said Report, namely, paragraph 95 entitled 
"Access to taxation collection files refused", and paragraph 21 entitled "Recruit- 
ment of Audit Office Staff". 

Your Committee held four meetings on these matters and examined the 
following witnesses: The Honourable George P. Nowlan, Minister of Finance; 
Mr. M. Henderson, Auditor General of Canada; Mr. J. G. McEntyre, Deputy 
Minister (Taxation), Department of National Revenue; Dr. M. OUivier, Law 
Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel; Mr. Ian Stevenson, Assistant Auditor General 
and Messrs. G. R. Long, C. E. Cheney, M. Laroche, of the Auditor General's 
office; Miss Ruth Addison, Acting Chairman, Civil Service Commission; Mr. 
Paul Pelletier, Commissioner, Civil Service Commission. 

The Committee notes with pleasure that the files referred to in Section 95 
of the said Report have this day been made available to the Auditor General. 

The Committee also heard Dr. M. OUivier, the Parliamentary Counsel, on 
the Interpretation of certain provisions of the Income Tax Act, and Section 66 
of the Financial Administration Act, in which he expressed his opinion that 
Section 66 of the Financial Administration Act since it was enacted in 1951 
took precedence over Section 133 of the Income Tax Act enacted in 1948. 



472 HOUSE OF COMMONS 11 ELIZABETH II 

The Committee, however, recommends that further consideration be given 
by the law officers of the Crown as to whether any changes which might be 
considered necessary to remove any existing doubts as to interpretation of the 
above mentioned Act be proposed to the House. 

The Committee on two previous occasions has recommended that imme- 
diate attention be given to the problem of recruitment of staff by the Auditor 
General and sees no reason at the present time to alter its recommendations 
made in two previous years. (See Third Report 1960, and Fifth Report 1961). 

The Committee gave consideration to Section 65 of the Financial Admin- 
istration Act and to Section 74 of the Civil Service Act. 

The Committee is of the opinion that consideration be given to amending 
Section 65 of the Financial Administration Act so as to authorize that the 
Auditor General recruit and manage his own staff with the approval of the 
Treasury Board and that in the meantime the Civil Service Commission should 
immediately reconsider its position with respect to Section 74 of the Civil 
Service Act, since the Committee is convinced that the special character of the 
Auditor General's work requires that this be done. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence {Issue Nos. 1 to 4 
inclusive) relating to these two items is appended. 

{The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 7 to the Journals). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded 
by Mrs. Fairclough, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, in 
amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the 
following substituted therefor: 

"this government, because of lack of leadership, the breakdown of 
unity in the Cabinet, and confusion and indecision in dealing with 
national and international problems, does not have the confidence of the 
Canadian people." 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Marcoux, 
in amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That all the words after 
"government" be deleted and the following substituted therefor: 

"has failed up to this time to give a clear statement of policy 
respecting Canada's national defence, and has failed to organize the 
business of the House so that the 1963-64 Estimates and Budget could be 
introduced, and has failed to outline a positive programme of follow-up 
action respecting many things for which this Parliament and previous 
Parliaments have already given authority, and does not have the con- 
fidence of the Canadian people." 

And debate continuing; at 8.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (d); 

And the question being put on the amendment to the amendment, it was 
agreed to on the following division: 



A.D. 1963 



TUESDAY, 5th FEBRUARY 



473 



Yeas 
Messrs: 



Addison, 


Crestohl, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nixon, 


Argue, 


Crossman, 


Lamoureux, 


Olson, 


Asselin, 


Davis, 


Lamy, 


Orlikow, 


Badanai, 


Denis, 


Laniel, 


Otto, 


Barnett, 


Deschatelets, 


Laprise, 


Ouellet, 


Batten, 


Dionne, 


Latulippe, 


Pearson, 


Beaule, 


Douglas, 


Leboe, 


Pennell, 


Bechard, 


Drouin, 


Leduc, 


Perron, 


Beer, 


Drury, 


Legare, 


Peters, 


Belanger, 


Dube, 


Lessard 


Pickersgill, 


Benidickson, 


Dumont, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Pilon, 


Benson, 


Dupuis, 


Lessard 


Plourde, 


Berger, 


Ethier, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Prittie, 


Bernier, 


Eudes, 


Lewis, 


Richard, 


Boucher, 


Fisher, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Boulanger, 


Forgie, 


Macdonald 


Rinfret, 


Bourque, 


Foy, 


(Rosedale), 


Robichaud, 


Boutin, 


Frenette, 


MacEachen, 


Rochon, 


Brewin, 


Gagnon, 


Maclnnis, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Garland, 


Mackasey, 


Rondeau, 


Burgess, 


Gauthier, 


Macnaughton, 


Rouleau, 


Byrne, 


Godin, 


Mcllraith, 


Roxburgh, 


Cadieux, 


Gordon, 


McMillan, 


Roy, 


Cameron 


Granger, 


McNulty, 


Ryan, 


(High Park), 


Gray, 


McWilliam, 


Sauve, 


Cantin, 


Gregoire, 


Maltais, 


Scott, 


Caouette, 


Habel, 


Marcoux, 


Stewart, 


Cardin, 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Tardif, 


Caron, 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Teillet, 


Carter, 


Harley, 


Mather, 


Thompson, 


Chapdelaine, 


Hellyer, 


Matheson, 


Tucker, 


Chevrier, 


Honey, 


Matte, 


Turner, 


Clermont, 


Howard, 


Meunier, 


Wahn, 


Clunis, 


KeUy, 


Mitchell, 


Walker, 


Cook, 


Knowles, 


Munro, 


Webster, 


Cote, 


Lachance, 


Nicholson, 


Whelan— 142. 


Cowan, 


Laing, 


Nays 






Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Fleming (Eglinton), 


Horner (Acadia), 


Alkenbrack, 


Chaplin, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Horner 


Baker, 


Chatterton, 


Revelstoke), 


(Jasper-Edson), 


Baldwin, 


Chown, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Horner 


Baskin, 


Churchill, 


Carleton), 


(The Battlefords), 


Bell (Carleton), 


Clancy, 


Forbes, 


Howe, 


Bell (Saint John- 


Coates, 


Fulton, 


Jones, 


Albert), 


Cooper, 


Grafftey, 


Jorgenson, 


Belzile, 


Crouse, 


Green, 


Kennedy, 


Bigg, 


Diefenbaker, 


Grills, 


Kindt, 


Bourbonnais, 


Dinsdale, 


Gundlock, 


Korchinski, 


Bradley, 


Doucett, 


Hales, 


Legere, 


Cadieu, 


English, 


Halpenny, 


Letourneau, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Enns, 


Hamilton, 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Cowichan-The 


Fairclough (Mrs.), 


, Hees, 


MacEwan, 


Islands), 


Fairweather, 


Herridge, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Cardiff, 


Fane, 


Hodgson, 


Macquarrie, 


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HOUSE OF COMMONS 



11 ELIZABETH U 



MacRae, 


More, 


Pascoe, 


Smallwood, 


McBain, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Paul, 


Smith 


McCleave, 


North and 


Pigeon, 


(Simcoe North)^ 


McDonald, 


Victoria), 


Pugh, 


Southam, 


(Hamilton South), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Rapp, 


Starr, 


McGee, 


Nasserden, 


Ricard, 


Stefanson, 


McGrath, 


Nesbitt, 


Robinson, 


Stenson, 


Mcintosh, 


Nielsen, 


Rynard, 


Thomas, 


McPhillips, 


Noble, 


Sams, 


Valade, 


Mandziuk, 


Nowlan, 


Sevigny, 


Vincent, 


Martineau, 


Nugent, 


Simpson, 


Webb, 


Millar, 


O'Hurley, 


Skoreyko, 


Weichel, 


Monteith, 


Ormiston, 


Slogan, 


Winkler, 


Moore, 






WooUiams— 111. 



And the question being put on the amendment of Mr. Pearson, seconded 
by Mr. Chevrier, as amended, which was as follows: 

"That all the words after 'That' in the main motion be deleted and the 
following substituted therefor, — 

"this government has failed up to this time to give a clear statement 
of policy respecting Canada's national defence, and has failed to organize 
the business of the House so that the 1963-64 Estimates and Budget 
could be introduced, and has failed to outline a positive programme of 
follow-up action respecting many things for which this Parliament and 
previous Parliaments have already given authority, and does not have 
the confidence of the Canadian people,"; 

it was agreed to on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Carter, 


Godin, 


Lewis, 


Argue, 


Chapdelaine, 


Gordon, 


Loiselle, 


Asselin, 


Chevrier, 


Granger, 


Macdonald 


Badanai, 


Clermont, 


Gray, 


(Rosedale), 


Barnett, 


Clunis, 


Gregoire, 


MacEachen, 


Batten, 


Cook, 


Habel, 


Maclnnis, 


Beaule, 


Cote, 


Haidasz, 


Mackasey, 


Bechard, 


Cowan, 


Hardie (Mrs.), 


Macnaughton, 


Beer, 


Crestohl, 


Harley, 


Mcllraith, 


Belanger, 


Crossman, 


Hellyer, 


McMillan, 


Benidickson, 


Davis, 


Honey, 


McNulty, 


Benson, 


Denis, 


Howard, 


McWilliam, 


Berger, 


Deschatelets, 


Kelly, 


Maltais, 


Bernier, 


Dionne, 


Knowles, 


Marcoux, 


Boucher, 


Douglas, 


Lachance, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Boulanger, 


Drouin, 


Laing, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Bourque, 


Drury, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Mather, 


Boutin, 


Dube, 


Lamoureux, 


Matheson, 


Brewin, 


Dumont, 


Lamy, 


Matte, 


Brown, 


Dupuis, 


Laniel, 


Meunier, 


Burgess, 


Ethier, 


Laprise, 


Mitchell, 


Byrne, 


Eudes, 


Latulippe, 


Munro, 


Cadieux, 


Fisher, 


Leboe, 


Nicholson, 


Cameron 


Forgie, 


Leduc, 


Nixon, 


(High Park), 


Foy, 


Legare, 


Olson, 


Cantin, 


Frenette, 


Lessard 


Orlikow, 


Caouette, 


Gagnon, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Otto, 


Cardin, 


Garland, 


Lessard 


Ouellet, 


Caron, 


Gauthier, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Pearson, 



A.D. 1963 



TUESDAY, 5th FEBRUARY 



475 



Pennell, 


Rideout, 


Roxburgh, 


Teillet, 


Perron, 


Rinfret, 


Roy, 


Thompson, 


Peters, 


Robichaud, 


Ryan, 


Tucker, 


Pickersgill, 


Rochon, 


Sauve, 


Turner, 


Pilon, 


Rock, 


Scott, 


Wahn, 


Plourde, 


Rondeau, 


Stewart, 


Walker, 


Prittie, 


Rouleau, 


Tardif, 


Webster, 


Richard, 






Whelan— 142. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Fairclough (Mrs.), 


Korchinski, 


Nowlan, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fairweather, 


Legere, 


Nugent, 


Balcer, 


Fane, 


L^tourneau, 


O'Hurley, 


Baldwin, 


Fleming (Eglinton), 


Macdonald (Mrs.), 


Ormiston, 


Baskin, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


MacEwan, 


Pascoe, 


Bell (Carleton), 


Revelstoke), 


MacLean (Queens), 


Paul, 


Bell (Saint John- 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Macquarrie, 


Pigeon, 


Albert), 


Carleton), 


MacRae, 


Pugh, 


Belzile, 


Forbes, 


McBain, 


Rapp, 


Bigg, 


Fulton, 


McCleave, 


Ricard, 


Bourbonnais, 


Graflftey, 


McDonald 


Robinson, 


Bradley, 


Green, 


(Hamilton South), 


Rjrnard, 


Cadieu, 


Grills, 


McGee, 


Sams, 


Cameron (Nanaimo 


- Gundlock, 


McGrath, 


Sevigny, 


Cowichan-The 


Hales, 


Mcintosh, 


Simpson, 


Islands), 


Halpenny, 


McPhillips, 


Skoreyko, 


Cardiff, 


Hamilton, 


Mandziuk, 


Slogan, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Hees, 


Martineau, 


Smallwood, 


Chaplin, 


Herridge, 


Millar, 


Smith 


Chatterton, 


Hodgson, 


Monteith, 


(Simcoe North), 


Chown, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Moore, 


Southam, 


Churchill, 


Horner 


More, 


Starr, 


Clancy, 


(Jasper-Edson), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Stefanson, 


Coates, 


Horner 


North and 


Stenson, 


Cooper, 


(The Battlefords), 


Victoria), 


Thomas, 


Crouse, 


Howe, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Valade, 


Diefenbaker, 


Jones, 


Nasserden, 


Vincent, 


Dinsdale, 


Jorgenson, 


Nesbitt, 


Web