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JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF 

CANADA 



From Thursday, May 16, 1963, to Saturday, December 21, 1963, both days 

inclusive, in the Twelfth Year of the Reign of Our 

Sovereign Lady, Queen Elizabeth the Second 



FIRST SESSION OF THE TWENTY-SIXTH PARLIAMENT OF CANADA 



The Honourable Alan A. Macnaughton, Speaker 

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SESSION 1963 

PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT 

ROGER DUHAMEL, F.R.S.C. 

QUEEN'S PRINTER AND CONTROLLER OF STATIONERY 

OTTAWA, 1964 

Volume CX One Hundred and Tenth Volume 

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^ MAY 2 1854 

CONTENTS 

Page 

Proclamations iii 

Journals of the House of Commons 1 

List of Appendices to the Journals 807 

The Ministry and their Parliamentary Secretaries 809 

Officers of the Commons 810 

Alphabetical List of Members with their Constituencies 811 

Alphabetical List of Constituencies and Members thereof 815 

Index to Journals 821 



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PROCLAMATIONS 




GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 

CANADA 

ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To Our Beloved and Faithful the Senators of Canada, and the Members 
elected to serve in the House of Commons of Canada, and to all whom 
it may concern, — 

Greeting: 



A PROCLAMATION 

WHEREAS We have thought fit, by and with the advice and consent of 
Our Prime Minister of Canada, to DISSOLVE the present Parliament 
of Canada. 

Now Know Ye, that We do for that end publish this Our Royal Proclama- 
tion, and do hereby DISSOLVE the said Parliament of Canada accordingly; and 
the Senators and the Members of the House of Commons are discharged from 
their meeting and attendance. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Trusty and Well-beloved Major-General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distingushed Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this sixth day of February 
in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-three 
and in the twelfth year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



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JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To All To Whom these Presents shall come, — 

Greeting: 



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A PROCLAMATION 

HEREAS We are desirous and resolved, as soon as may be, to meet Our 
People of Canada, and to have their advice in Parliament: 



We Do Make Known Our Royal Will and pleasure to call a Parliament, 
and do further declare that by the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada, 
We have this day given Orders for issuing Our WRITS in due form for calling 
a PARLIAMENT in Canada, which Writs are to bear date of the sixth day of 
February, 1963, and to be returnable on the eighth day of May, 1963. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Trusty and Well-beloved Major-General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this sixth day of February 
in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-three 
and in the twelfth year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



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GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 



To All To Whom these Presents shall come, 



A PROCLAMATION 



Greeting: 



KNOW YE, that We being desirous and resolved, as soon as may be, to meet 
Our People of Canada, and to have their advice in Parliament, do hereby, 
by and with the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada, summon and call 
together the House of Commons in and for Canada, to meet at Our CITY OF 
OTTAWA, on Thursday, the sixteenth day of May next, then and there to have 
conference and treaty with the Great Men and Senate of Canada. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Trusty and Well-beloved Major -General George Philias Vanier, 
Companion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have 
conferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this sixth day of February 
in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-three 
and in the twelfth year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



GEORGE P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To Our Beloved and Faithful the Senators of Canada, and the Members 
elected to serve in the House of Commons of Canada, — 

Greeting: 

A PROCLAMATION 

KNOW YE, that We being desirous and resolved, as soon as may be, to meet 
Our People of Canada, and to have their advice in Parliament, do hereby, 
by and with the advice of Our Prime Minister of Canada, summon and call 
together Our Parliament of Canada to meet at Our City of Ottawa, Canada, on 
Thursday, the sixteenth day of May, 1963, at 10.30 o'clock in the forenoon, and 
We do hereby enjoin you and each of you and all others in this behalf inter- 
ested, personally to be and appear, on the day and time aforesaid, for the 
DESPATCH OF BUSINESS, to treat, do, act and conclude upon those things 
which in Our said Parliament of Canada, by the Common Council of Canada, 
may by the favour of God be ordained. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Right Trusty and Well-beloved Counsellor, Major-General Georges 
P. Vanier, a member of Our Most Honourable Privy Council, Com- 
panion of Our Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have con- 
ferred Our Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, 
Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this twenty-third day of 
April in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty- 
three and in the twelfth year of Our Reign. 



By Command, 



JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 



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CANADA 

[L.S.] 

BY HIS EXCELLENCY THE HONOURABLE ROBERT TASCHEREAU, Chief 
Justice of Canada, Administrator of the Government of Canada. 

To All To Whom these Presents shall come or whom the same may in anywise 
concern, 

Greeting: 
A PROCLAMATION 

WHEREAS Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second was graciously pleased 
by a Commission under the Great Seal of Canada, bearing date the 
first day of August, 1959, and in the eighth year of Her Majesty's Reign, to 
appoint Major-General George Philias Vanier, to be Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

Whereas no new Commission has been granted superseding the said Com- 
mission to the said Major-General George Philias Vanier, appointing him to 
be Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada, and the said Com- 
mission remains in full force and effect. 

Whereas by Clause VIII of the Letters Patent bearing date the eighth day 
of September, 1947, constituting the office of Governor General and Com- 
mander-in-Chief of Canada, it is provided that in the event of the incapacity 
of the Governor General, all and every the powers and authorities therein 
granted to him shall, until Her Majesty's further pleasure is signified therein, 
be vested in the Chief Justice for the time being of Canada, who, while such 
powers and authorities are vested in him, shall be known as Administrator. 

And Whereas by reason of the incapacity of the said Major-General The 
Right Honourable George Philias Vanier to exercise the powers and authorities 
of Governor General of Canada for the period extending from twelve o'clock 
noon this sixteenth day of May, 1963, until six o'clock p.m. of this same day 
and under and in virtue of the Letters Patent all and every the powers and 
authorities by the said Letters Patent have become vested in me as being the 
Chief Justice for the time being of Canada, and having taken the necessary 
Oath as required by the said Letters Patent, I have therefore thought fit to 
issue this Proclamation to make known the same, and I do hereby require and 
command that all and singular Her Majesty's Officers and Ministers in Canada 
do continue in the execution of their several and respective offices, places and 
employments, and that Her Majesty's loving subjects and all others whom these 
Presents may concern do take notice thereof and govern themselves accordingly. 

Given under my Hand and Seal at Arms at Ottawa, this sixteenth day of May, 
in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and sixty-three 
and in the twelfth year of Her Majesty's Reign. 

ROBERT TASCHEREAU, 
Administrator of the Government of Canada. 

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN 

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A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 



No. 1 



JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 16th MAY, 1963. 



10.30 o'clock a.m. 

Today being the first day of the meeting of the First Session of the Twenty- 
sixth Parliament for the despatch of business, Leon-J. Raymond, Esquire, 
O.B.E., Clerk of the House of Commons, Thomas Russell Montgomery, Esquire, 
Clerk Assistant of the House of Commons, and Lieutenant-Colonel David 
V. Currie, V.C., Sergeant-at-Arms of the House of Commons, Commissioners 
appointed per Dedimus Potestatem for the purpose of administering the oath 
to Members of the House of Commons, all attending according to their duty, 
the said Leon-J. Raymond, laid upon the Table a List of the Members returned 
to serve in this Parliament received by him as Clerk of the House of Commons 
from and certified under the hand of N. Castonguay, Esquire, Chief Electoral 
Officer. The said certificate and list is as follows: 

TWENTY-SIXTH GENERAL ELECTION 
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 



THIS IS TO CERTIFY that since the dissolution of the Twenty-fifth 
Parliament on the sixth day of February, 1963, writs of election were issued 
on the same date by His Excellency the Governor in Council for the election 
of a member or members to serve in the House of Commons for every electoral 
district in Canada, such writs being severally addressed to the returning 
officers mentioned in the attached list and directing that, with the under- 
mentioned exceptions, the nomination of candidates be held on the twenty- 
fifth day of March, 1963, and the poll, if required, on the eighth day of April, 
1963. In the electoral districts of Cochrane, Kenora-Rainy River, Port Arthur, 
Chapleau, Saguenay, Bonavista-Twillingate, Burin-Burgeo, Grand Falls-White 
Bay-Labrador, Humber-St. George's, Trinity-Conception, Churchill, Mackenzie, 
Meadow Lake, Prince Albert, Athabasca, Jasper-Edson, Peace River, Cariboo, 
Skeena, Yukon, and Northwest Territories, the nomination of candidates was 
held on the eleventh day of March, 1963. 

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2 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

AND THAT the persons named in the attached list have from time to time 
been returned as elected members to serve in the House of Commons pursuant 
to the said writs, their names having been duly entered in the order in which 
the returns were received in the book kept for that purpose pursuant to the 
provisions of the Statute on the subject, and notice of such returns having 
from time to time been duly published in the Canada Gazette. 

Given under my hand at Ottawa this sixteenth day of May, 1963. 

N. CASTONGUAY, 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



LIST OF MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS 
TWENTY-SIXTH PARLIAMENT 

PROVINCE OF ONTARIO 
Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Algoma East Lester B. Pearson James H. Burt 

Algoma West George E. Nixon Curtis Scott 

Brantford . James E. Brown George Main 

Brant-Haldimand Larry T. Pennell Doris L. Ashby 

Bruce John Loney P. S. R. Malcomson 

Carleton Lloyd Francis Thomas Davison 

Cochrane Joseph-Anaclet Habel Frank J. Donahue 

Dufferin-Simcoe J. Ellwood Madill Glen Bryan 

Durham Russell C. Honey Carroll Nichols 

Elgin James A. McBain Harry Clement Hunter 

Essex East Paul Martin Barry E. Atkinson 

Essex South Eugene Whelan John Murray Shaw 

Essex West Herb Gray Walter H. Prince 

Fort William Hubert Badanai James H. Jessiman 

Glengarry-Prescott Viateur Ethier Roch Greffe 

Grenville-Dundas Jean Casselman Joseph R. Patterson 

Grey-Bruce Eric A. Winkler Robert A. Park 

Grey North Percy Verner Noble Clarence O. Hanbidge 

Halton Harry C. Harley John Richard West 

Hamilton East - John Carr Munro Alfred Hobson 

Hamilton South William Dean Howe Fred Whitehouse 

Hamilton West Joseph Macaluso Harry Leyshon 

Hastings-Frontenac Rod Webb William E. Tryon 

Hastings South Robert Temple William A. Van Tassel 

Huron Elston Cardiff Russell T. Bolton 

Kenora-Rainy River William M. Benidickson W. J. Gray 

Kent Harold W. Danforth Fredrick Benjamin Brisco 

Kingston Edgar John Benson Stuart M. Jenkins 

Lambton-Kent Mac T. McCutcheon Lome Henderson 

Lambton West Walter Frank Foy Fred J. Northcott 

Lanark George H. Doucett Edwin M. James 

Leeds John R. Matheson William John Jelly 

Lincoln James C. McNulty Edith R. Rymer 

London Jack A. Irvine Walter T. Shrives 

Middlesex East Campbell E. Millar Richard Hedley Fisher 

Middlesex West W. H. A. Thomas Freeman Hodgins 

Niagara Falls Judy LaMarsh Charles McClive Jacklin 

Nickel Belt O.-J. Godin William N. Gemmell 

Nipissing Jack Garland J. I. Martyn 

Norfolk Jack M. Roxburgh Richard L. Brook 

Northumberland Pauline Jewett Alan Buchanan 

Ontario Michael Starr Henry Warburton Jermyn 

Ottawa East J.-T. Richard Marcel Lavigne 

Ottawa West George Mcllraith Fred B. Salhany 

Oxford Wally Nesbitt W. David Richards 

Parry Sound-Muskoka Gordon Harvey Aiken Edward V. Elliott 

Peel Bruce S. Beer John Louis Hare 

Perth ^ J. Waldo Monteith Robert J. Crocker, Sr. 

Peterborough Fred Stenson Amy Brooks Curtis 

Port Arthur Douglas M. Fisher Joseph L. McCormack 

Prince Edward-Lennox A. Douglas Alkenbrack James A. Clark 

Renfrew North James Moffat Forgie Donald A. Simpson 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 

Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Renfrew South John James Greene N. Alan Campbell 

Russell Paul Tardif Philip Morris 

Simcoe East Philip Bernard Rynard Frank Doherty 

Simcoe North Heber Smith Edward Robert Crowe 

Stormont Lucien Lamoureux Alphonse-H. Charron 

Sudbury Rodger Mitchell W. E. W. Cressey 

Timiskaming Arnold Peters James R. McDougall 

Timmins Murdo Martin Wyman E. Brewer 

Victoria Charles Lamb Cecil H. Pardy 

Waterloo North O. W. Mike Weichel Frank L. Barrett 

Waterloo South Gordon Chaplin William C. Woods 

Welland William H. McMillan Campbell L. Grundy 

Wellington-Huron Marvin Howe Brock B. Davis 

Wellington South Alfred Dryden Hales Hugh Bertram Gibson 

Wentworth John Morison Harold A. Thompson 

York Centre Jim Walker Dean L. Richardson 

York East Steve Otto Hilda Clarke 

York-Humber Ralph B. Cowan R. J. Elgar 

York North John Addison Warren Robert Bailie 

York-Scarborough Maurice J. Moreau Rosemary L. Clark 

York South Marvin Gelber Charles H. Reid 

York West Red Kelly Lloyd Shier 

CITY OF TORONTO 

Broadview D. G. Hahn Hugh Paton 

Danforth Reid Scott Charles H. Daw 

Davenport Walter L. Gordon Bruce Leighton 

Eglinton Mitchell Sharp Alfred George Hovey 

Greenwood Andrew Brewin C. H. Lemmer 

High Park Alan John Patrick Cameron .... Emma D. Elrick 

Parkdale Stanley Haidasz George Clark 

Rosedale Donald S. Macdonald James A. Traviss 

St. Paul's Ian Grant Wahn Douglas H. Lissaman 

Spadina Perry Ryan Murray Caplan 

Trinity Paul Hellyer Henry L. McKinstry 

PROVINCE OF QUEBEC 

Argenteuil-Deux-Montagnes . Vincent Drouin Jean-Paul Dorion 

Beauce . ' Gerard Perron Roger Bolduc 

Beauharnois-Salaberry Gerald Laniel Joseph Primeau 

Bellechasse Herman Laverdiere Gerard Labrecque 

Berthier-Maskinonge- 

Delanaudiere Remi Paul Henri-R. Beland 

Bonaventure Albert Bechard Alexandre Duguay 

Brome-Missisquoi Heward Graff tey J.-Rodolphe Arsenault 

Chambly-Rouville Bernard Pilon Andre Antonuk 

Champlain Jean-Paul Matte Leovide Francoeur 

Chapleau Gerard Laprise Hilaire LeBlanc 

Charlevoix L.-P.-Antoine Belanger Sam Warren 

Chateauguay-Huntingdon- 

Laprairie Ian Watson Roland Page 

Chicoutimi Maurice Cote Leon-Georges Gauthier 

Compton-Frontenac Henry Latulippe Paul Beaudoin 

Dorchester Pierre-Andre Boutin John H. O'Farrell 

Drummond-Arthabaska Jean-Luc Pepin J.-Andre Vanasse 

Gaspe Alexandre Cyr Frederick R. Sams 

Gatineau Rodolphe Leduc Rejean Patry 

Hull Alexis Caron Jean-Louis Garneau 

Iles-de -la-Madeleine Maurice Sauve Arnold-L. Deraspe 

Joliette-L'Assomption- 

Montcalm Louis-Joseph Pigeon Lionel Fontaine 

Kamouraska Chs. -Eugene Dionne Benoit Dube 

Labelle Gerard Girouard Andre Dufresne 

Lac-Saint- Jean Marcel Lessard Oswald Fleury 

Lapointe Gilles Gregoire J.-Ovide Bradet 

Levis Raynald Guay Julien Dumont 

Longueuil Jean-Pierre Cote Roma Gravel 

Lotbiniere Auguste Choquette Wilfrid Desruisseaux 

Matapedia-Matane Rene Tremblay Andre-A. Levesque 

Megantic Raymond Langlois Edmond Beaudoin 

Montmagny-L'Islet Jean Berger Gonzague Belanger 

Nicolet-Yamaska Clement Vincent Pierre Smith 

Pontiac-Temiscamingue Paul Martineau J. Denzil Moodie 



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Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Portneuf Jean-Louis Frenette Francois Denis 

Quebec-Est Robert Beaule J.-Armand Dufresne 

Quebec-Ouest Lucien Plourde Roland Savard 

Quebec-Sud Jean-Charles Cantin Rolland Legendre 

Quebec-Montmorency Guy Marcoux Rene-B.Robert 

Richelieu-Vercheres Louis- Joseph-Lucien Cardin . . . Roger Gagne 

Richmond-Wolfe Patrick-T. Asselin Jean-Guy Lemieux 

Rimouski Gerard Ouellet Derome Asselin 

Riviere-du-Loup- 

Temiscouata Rosaire Gendron Jacques Miville 

Roberval Charles-Arthur Gauthier Edouard Duchesne 

Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot J.-H.-Theogene Ricard A.-J. Archambault 

Saint- Jean-Iberville- 

Napierville Yvon Dupuis Henri Choiniere 

Saint-Maurice-Lafleche Jean Chretien Paul-Emile Dessureault 

Saguenay (Return Outstanding) Roger Savard 

Sheff ord Gilbert Rondeau Paul Langlois 

Sherbrooke Gerard Chapdelaine J. -Nestor Boucher 

Stanstead Yves Forest Louis Gerin 

Terrebonne Leo Cadieux Paul-Emile Brunet 

Trois-Rivieres Leon Balcer Pierre Grenier 

Vaudreuil-Soulanges Rene Emard Jean-Louis Jeannotte 

Villeneuve Real Caouette Clement-E. Fontaine 

ISLAND OF MONTREAL AND ILE JESUS 

Cartier Milton L. Klein Jeanne Bouchard 

Dollard Guy Rouleau Renaud Masson 

Hochelaga Raymond Eudes Maurice Lamoureux 

Jacques-Cartier-Lasalle Raymond Rock Gerard Tardif 

Lafontaine Georges C. Lachance Fernand Auger 

Laurier Lionel Chevrier Ruben Levesque 

Laval Jean-L. Rochon Jean-Noel Lanctot 

Maisonneuve-Rosemont Jean-Paul Deschatelets Marcel Allaire 

Mercier Prosper Boulanger Levis Gagnon 

Mount Royal Alan Macnaughton Wilfred G. Brown 

Notre-Dame-de-Grace Edmund Tobin Asselin Bodie J. Snyder 

Outremont-Saint-Jean Maurice Lamontagne Jules Dupre 

Papineau Guy Favreau Antonio Nadeau 

Sainte-Anne Gerard Loiselle Donald William Donovan 

Saint- Antoine-Westmount . . . Charles Mills Drury Graham Gould 

Saint-Denis Azellus Denis Armand Laurencelle 

Saint-Henri H.-Pit Lessard Germain Angrignon 

Saint-Jacques Maurice Rinfret Yves Mayrand 

Saint-Laurent-Saint-George . John N. Turner Edmund D. McCaffrey 

Sainte-Marie Georges- J. Valade Albert Trudeau 

Verdun Bryce Stuart Mackasey Romeo Aubertin 

PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA 

Antigonish-Guysborough . . . John B. Stewart Donald P. Chisholm, Sr. 

Cape Breton North and 

Victoria Robert Muir J. Peter Gouthro 

Cape Breton South Donald Maclnnis J. F. Chiasson 

Colchester-Hants Cyril F. Kennedy Andrew Reginald Denney 

Cumberland Robert C. Coates William H. Wasson 

Digby-Annapolis-Kings George Clyde Nowlan Wilfred David Wetmore 

Halifax f John E. Lloyd R. Graham Murray 

Halifax Gerald A. Regan 

Inverness-Richmond Allan J. MacEachen Hector MacKinnon 

Pictou Russell MacEwan David R. Hayman 

Queens-Lunenburg Lloyd R. Crouse Kendall James Kenney 

Shelburne-Yarmouth-Clare . . Frederick Thomas Armstrong . . C. Lawrence Murphy 

PROVINCE OF NEW BRUNSWICK 

Charlotte Allan M. A. McLean Frederick Garcelon 

Gloucester Hedard-J. Robichaud Ernest J. Aube 

Kent Guy F. Crossman Louis Felix LeBlanc 

Northumberland-Miramichi . George Roy McWilliam J. Leroy Betts 

Restigouche-Madawaska Jean-Eudes Dube Dillon Arseneau 

Royal Gordon Fairweather Harry M. Burgess 

Saint John-Albert Thomas M. Bell Kenneth E. Walls 

Victoria-Carleton Hugh John Flemming William K. Davis 

Westmorland Sherwood H. Rideout Douglas E. Rice 

York-Sunbury J. Chester MacRae Norman D. Pearson 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 

PROVINCE OF NEWFOUNDLAND 
Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Bonavista-Twillingate John W. Pickersgill Donald Elliott 

Burin-Burgeo Chesley William Carter Philip R. Hollett 

Grand Falls-White Bay- 
Labrador Charles Ronald Granger Joseph Yetman 

Humber-St. George's Herman Maxwell Batten Ralph MacGillivray 

St. John's East Joseph P. O'Keefe Louise M. Saunders 

St. John's West Richard Cashin William J. Stoyles 

Trinity-Conception James R. Tucker Willis White 

PROVINCE OF PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND 

Kings John Mullally Daniel Michael MacLean 

Prince J. Watson MacNaught J. Frank Bryan 

Queens J. Angus MacLean A. Walthen Gaudet 

Queens Heath Macquarrie 

PROVINCE OF MANITOBA 

Brandon-Souris Walter G. Dinsdale Ellis David Alder 

Churchill Robert Simpson William George Thompson 

Dauphin R. Elmer Forbes Vernon H. Rampton 

Lisgar George Muir Cecil D. Treble 

Marquette Nick Mandziuk J. Morris Lavery 

Portage-Neepawa Sig J. Enns Charles W. Sing 

Provencher Warner H. Jorgenson Abram K. Braun 

St. Boniface Roger-Joseph Teillet Louis Leger 

Selkirk Eric Stef anson Harold Johnson 

Springfield Joe Slogan W. Horodyski 

Winnipeg North David Orlikow John Hunter Restall 

Winnipeg North Centre Stanley H. Knowles Sam Minuk 

Winnipeg South Margaret Konantz Alastair Ketchen 

Winnipeg South Centre Gordon Churchill J. T. Bourke 

PROVINCE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA 

Burnaby-Coquitlam Tommy C. Douglas Laura Grier 

Burnaby-Richmond R. W. Bob Prittie Frank P. Tofin 

Cariboo Bert Raymond Leboe James R. Spice 

Coast-Capilano Jack Davis William Brander 

Comox-Alberni Thomas Speakman Barnett L. Wilfred Anderton 

Esquimalt-Saanich George L. Chatterton John S. Davies 

Fraser Valley Alex B. Patterson Thomas E. Heaton 

Kamloops Charles J. M. Willoughby Helen Joy Millward 

Kootenay East Jim Byrne A. W. Dickinson 

Kootenay West Herbert W. Herridge F. J. Plester 

Nanaimo-Cowichan- 

The Islands Colin Cameron Frederick George Spencer 

New Westminster Barry Mather C. John Worsf old 

Okanagan Boundary David V. Pugh Stuart R. Hawkins 

Okanagan-Revelstoke Stuart A. Fleming P. A. Woods 

Skeena Frank Howard Alek S. Bill 

Vancouver-Burrard Ron Basf ord Gordon Farr 

Vancouver Centre Jack R. Nicholson P. H. L. Seeley 

Vancouver East Harold Edward Winch Ronald E. Smith 

Vancouver-Kingsway Arnold Alexander Webster .... Arthur Walker 

Vancouver Quadra Grant Deachman Alfred Hall Tornroos 

Vancouver South Arthur Laing G. B. Anderson 

Victoria David W. Groos Edmond D. Jorre de St. Jorre 

PROVINCE OF SASKATCHEWAN 

Assiniboia Lawrence Watson Jack Vennard 

Humboldt-Melfort-Tisdale . . Reynold Rapp W. B. Woolard 

Kindersley Reg Cantelon James Patrick Duncan 

Mackenzie Stanley James Korchinski Louis A. Yaworski 

Meadow Lake Bert Cadieu Frank Buchan Milne 

Melville James N. Ormiston William Hall 

Moose Jaw-Lake Centre J. Ernest Pascoe Lyle Oswald Phillips 

Moose Mountain Dick Southam Herbert C. Sawyer 

Prince Albert John George Diefenbaker Clifford E. Galloway 

Qu'Appelle Alvin Hamilton F. Clifford Armstrong 

Regina City Ken More Arthur Roy Lucas 

Rosetown-Biggar C. O. Cooper Arthur J. Flach 

Rosthern Edward Nasserden George A. Birtles 

Saskatoon Henry Frank Jones Charles T. Fitzpatrick 

Swift Current-Maple Creek . Jack Mcintosh Irving Hansen 

The Battlefords Albert Horner A. Millar Craig 

Yorkton Gordon Drummond Clancy H. W. Vaughan 



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PROVINCE OF ALBERTA 
Electoral Districts Members Elected Returning Officers 

Acadia Jack H. Horner Maxwell E. Taylor 

Athabasca Jack Bigg Frank P. Appleby 

Battle River-Camrose Clifford S. Small wood Charles T. Heckbert 

Bow River Eldon M. Woolliams John Davis 

Calgary North Douglas Scott Harkness Alfred T. Godwin 

Calgary South Harry W. Hays Leishman McNeill 

Edmonton East William Skoreyko Stewart Allan Graham 

Edmonton-Strathcona Terry Nugent Robert Vernon Johnson 

Edmonton West Marcel Lambert Alex S. MacRae 

Jasper-Edson Hugh M. Horner Chris Nielsen 

Lethbridge Deane R. Gundlock Donald Edward Rossiter 

Macleod Lawrence E. Kindt John Arnoll Moorey 

Medicine Hat Horace A. Bud Olson Peter J. Keller 

Peace River Ged Baldwin Thomas Henri Therriault 

Red Deer Robert Norman Thompson .... Neil J. McPhee 

Vegreville Frank J. W. Fane Terence Kenneth Cole 

Wetaskiwin Harry Moore Harry J. Noble 

YUKON TERRITORY 

Yukon Erik Nielsen Charles Thomas Ravenhill 

NORTHWEST TERRITORIES 

Northwest Territories (Return Outstanding) L. F. G. Borden 



The Members who had taken and subscribed the oath required by law, 
took their seats. 



The Clerk communicated the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

16th May, 1963. 
Sir, 

I am commanded to inform you that the Honourable J. R. Cartwright, 
M.C., Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy 
Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber to open the Twenty- 
sixth Parliament of Canada on this day, Thursday, the 16th May, 1963, at 
10.30 a.m. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 



A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 



The Clerk of the House of Commons, 
House of Commons, 
Ottawa. 



A Message was delivered by the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod: 

Members of the House of Commons: 

His Honour the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General desires 
the immediate attendance of Honourable Members in the Chamber of the Hon- 
ourable the Senate. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 7 

Accordingly, the Members went up to the Senate Chamber, when the 
Speaker of the Senate said: 

Honourable Members of the Senate, 

and Members of the House of Commons: 

I have it in command to let you know that His Excellency the Governor 
General does not see fit to declare the causes of his summoning the present 
Parliament of Canada until the Speaker of the House of Commons shall have 
been chosen according to Law, but this afternoon at the hour of three o'clock 
His Excellency will declare the causes of calling this Parliament. 

And the Members being returned; 

The Right Honourable Lester B. Pearson, addressing himself to the Clerk, 
moved, seconded by the Honourable Lionel Chevrier, — That Alan A. Mac- 
naughton, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Mount Royal, do take 
the Chair of this House as Speaker. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 

And the Clerk having declared Alan A. Macnaughton, Esquire, duly 
elected, Mr. Macnaughton was conducted to the Chair by the Right Honourable 
Lester B. Pearson and the Honourable Lionel Chevrier, when he returned his 
humble acknowledgments to the House for the great honour they had been 
pleased to confer upon him by choosing him to be their Speaker. 



The Mace was laid upon the Table. 

At 11.35 o'clock a.m., the sitting was suspended until 3.00 o'clock p.m. this 
day. 



8 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

3.00 o'clock p.m. 

The sitting resumed. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

16th May, 1963. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that His Excellency the Administrator 
of the Government will arrive at the Main Entrance of the Parliament Build- 
ings at 3.00 p.m. on this day Thursday the 16th May, 1963, and when it has 
been signified that all is in readiness, will proceed to the Senate to open 
formally the Twenty- sixth Parliament of Canada. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

ESMOND BUTLER, 
Secretary to the Governor General. 



The Honourable 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



A Message was delivered by the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod: 

Mr. Speaker: 

His Excellency the Administrator desires the immediate attendance of this 
Honourable House in the Chamber of the Honourable the Senate. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went up to the Senate Chamber, 
and Mr. Speaker spoke to the following effect: 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

The House of Commons have elected me their Speaker, though I am but 
little able to fulfil the important duties thus assigned to me. 

If, in the performance of those duties, I should at any time fall into error, 
I pray that the fault may be imputed to me, and not to the Commons, whose 
servant I am, and who, through me, the better to enable them to discharge their 
duty to their Queen and Country, humbly claim all their undoubted rights and 
privileges, especially that they may have freedom of speech in their debates, 
access to Your Excellency's person at all seasonable times, and that their pro- 
ceedings may receive from Your Excellency the most favourable construction. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 9 

The Honourable the Speaker of the Senate then said: 

Mr. Speaker: 

I am commanded by His Excellency the Administrator to declare to you 
that he freely confides in the duty and attachment of the House of Commons 
to Her Majesty's Person and Government and, not doubting that their proceed- 
ings will be conducted with wisdom, temper and prudence, he grants and 
upon all occasions will recognize and allow their constitutional privileges. 

I am commanded also to assure you that the Commons shall have ready 
access to His Excellency upon all seasonable occasions, and that their proceed- 
ings as well as your words and actions, will constantly receive from him the 
most favourable construction. 



And the House being returned: 



Mr. Speaker reported that the House had been in the Senate Chamber, 
and that he had, in their names and on their behalf, made the usual claim 
of privileges, which His Excellency had been pleased to confirm to them. 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-l, An Act respecting the Administration of Oaths of Office, which was 
read the first time. 



Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend His Excellency the 
Administrator this day in the Senate Chamber, His Excellency was pleased to 
make a Speech to both Houses of Parliament, and to prevent mistakes, he had 
obtained a copy, which is as follows: 

Honourable Members of the Senate: 

Members of the House of Commons: 

I welcome you to the first session of the twenty- sixth Parliament of 
Canada. 

I am honoured today to act for His Excellency the Governor-General, 
whose place in the respect of the Canadian people is second only to that 
of Her Majesty the Queen and whose early recovery to full health is sincerely 
wished by us all. I know that all members of this Parliament would wish to 
join in expressing to Her Majesty the sentiments of loyalty which were recently 
conveyed to her by the Prime Minister. 

You are deliberating the course of our country in times of great change 
throughout the world. These are times that test old virtues. They are times 
that open up new opportunities. Familiar ways of thought and action are 
becoming less certain guides. Many old paths are no longer open to us. The 
task before us is to seek out, with wisdom and imagination, those new paths 
that will lead us surely forward. 



10 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

As Canadians we can work with hope. Our country has a proud history. 
Now there are expanding opportunities open to us. But they depend on our 
overcoming serious problems. It is only with courage and perseverance and 
hard work that we will achieve the better life that is within our power, for 
ourselves and for our children. 

Our progress is the work of all the people. In a free country, we are all 
responsible. The determination of my Ministers is that the Government through 
its policies will contribute the leadership, the purpose, the decision that are 
its responsibilities to the people. 

The character and strength of our nation are drawn from the diverse cul- 
tures of people who came from many lands to create the Canada that is ours 
today. The greater Canada that is in our power to make will be built not on 
uniformity but on continuing diversity, and particularly on the basic partner- 
ship of English-speaking and French-speaking people. My Ministers are 
determined that the partnership shall be truly equal. For that high purpose 
they are establishing, in consultation with the governments of the Provinces, a 
commission charged to study, thoroughly but urgently, how the fundamentally 
bicultural character of Canada may best be assured and the contribution of 
other cultures recognized. 

To make us a more united people, the Government will in all things strive 
to strengthen and to give new direction to our Canadian confederation. It will 
foster the spirit of co-operative federalism, fully respecting the rights of 
the Provinces while safeguarding and extending the equality of opportunity 
which properly belongs to all Canadians in all parts of our country. In these 
purposes, as in others, my Ministers will seek frequent consultation with the 
governments of the Provinces. 

The principles of Canadian external policy are those of the United Nations 
Charter, to maintain peace with justice and respect for human rights and 
fundamental freedoms; and to promote the welfare of all peoples by interna- 
tional co-operation. My Ministers will seek solutions to international problems 
by diplomacy and negotiation. In particular, my Ministers will strive to lessen 
international tensions and halt the arms race by seeking measures of controlled 
disarmament, including a treaty to end nuclear tests under reasonable safe- 
guards. 

Meantime, my Ministers believe that there is no alternative to the main- 
tenance of the defences of the free nations as a deterrent to war. In particular, 
a strong North Atlantic Treaty Organization, including adequate defence on 
the North American continent, remains essential to Canada's security. For this 
purpose, the armed forces of Canada should have available the modern 
weapons necessary to perform effectively the defensive tasks which Canada 
has undertaken in the alliance. Next week, we will take pleasure in welcoming 
to Ottawa the Ministerial Council of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. 
My Government is convinced that on the foundation of the present alliance 
a true community of the Atlantic peoples will one day be achieved. 

In recent weeks the Prime Minister has had friendly and constructive 
discussions with the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and with the 
President of the United States of America. By such visits and other means the 
Government will continue to improve political and economic relationships 
with other countries. It is my Ministers' intention to assist in enhancing the 
unique value of the Commonwealth partnership in international relations. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 11 

Canada's economic progress is vitally dependent on vigorous economic 
expansion throughout the world. We must expect continuing rapid changes in 
international trading relationships, changes that face Canada both with prob- 
lems of adjustment and with new opportunities. My Ministers believe that the 
nations can best achieve economic progress through policies that steadily 
reduce the barriers limiting trade. It is equally important to pursue active 
policies for the economic development of the newer nations, for the expansion 
of trade in primary commodities at reasonably stable prices, and for the 
improvement of international payments. 

Canada will take a constructive part in trade and other economic negotia- 
tions. In order to increase employment and production in Canada, it is the pur- 
pose of my Ministers to expand Canada's export trade, to strengthen our 
payments balance with other countries, and to ensure increasingly high 
confidence in our economy and currency. 

Steady work is the basic need on which men and women depend for the 
well-being of themselves and their families. Unemployment, on the serious 
scale of recent years, is therefore the most urgent of our domestic problems. 
To provide the many new jobs that are needed every year, we must create 
new industries. The fiscal and monetary policies of the Government will give 
priority to the encouragement of soundly-based industrial expansion. 

Provision will be made to assist labour and management to make man- 
power adjustments required by technological and other industrial changes. 
The special assistance for technical training will be extended in cooperation 
with the provinces. 

Other measures will be put before you to assist in increasing production 
and employment in Canada. 

You will be asked to provide for the early establishment of a Department 
of Industry, which will foster industrial expansion and provide a central point 
to which industry can look for consultation, stimulus and assistance. It will 
be proposed that, within the new Department, there will be established an 
Area Development Agency. This agency will work with the provincial govern- 
ments and other organizations to co-ordinate programmes for parts of 
the country where, because of chronic unemployment, a special thrust for 
development is needed. 

Amendments to the Atlantic Development Board Act will be proposed, to 
strengthen the Board and to provide for a capital assistance fund through 
which it can promote basic projects in the Atlantic region. 

You will be asked to establish a Municipal Development and Loan Board, 
through which municipalities may obtain, with the approval of the provinces, 
loans and grants to carry out projects which will increase employment and 
improve services. Amendments to the National Housing Act will also be 
proposed. 

A measure will be placed before you to establish a Canada Development 
Corporation, by means of which Canadians can more readily direct their 
savings to the building of new Canadian industries and to increasing the 
Canadian ownership of existing industries, which is one of the important 
objectives of the Government. 

A measure will be placed before you to establish an Economic Council of 
Canada, in order to assist the Government, industry and labour to develop 
means of ensuring in Canada the highest possible levels of employment, of 
efficient production, and of sustained growth for our economy. 

My Ministers will pursue constructive policies for the development of 
Canada's great resources for the benefit of Canadians. 



12 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The Government will undertake discussions with the government of 
British Columbia and with the United States, aimed at securing action on the 
development of the Columbia River. 

A new Department of Agriculture Act will be placed before you, to pro- 
vide for two Ministers in order that the needs of agriculture in both eastern 
and western Canada may receive closer attention. My Ministers will institute 
new programmes to make farming as a whole more stable and more prosper- 
ous. They will strive to expand markets for Canadian farm products both at 
home and abroad, with special attention to dairy products. 

The Government is initiating consultation with the Provinces to work 
out a programme for national fishery development. My Ministers intend to 
secure the establishment of a twelve-mile limit for the use of the Canadian 
fisheries, taking proper account of treaty and historic rights. 

You will be asked to continue the existing payments to the railways, 
pending the approval of long-term measures concerning transportation. You 
will be asked to provide additional assistance for the completion of the Trans- 
Canada Highway. 

My Ministers have undertaken to establish a comprehensive system of 
contributory pensions. The new pensions will be co-ordinated with the existing 
provisions for old-age security, for the purpose of enabling all Canadians to 
retire in security and with dignity. While the arrangements required for this 
great advance in the social security of our people are necessarily complex, the 
legislation submitted to you will be designed to make the new pension plan 
operative as soon as possible. 

Legislation on unemployment insurance is under consideration and in 
the meantime you will be asked to ensure that the fund is sustained to meet 
the claims on it. 

The redistribution of electoral districts is overdue. You will be asked to 
authorize the establishment of a Commission to undertake this important task. 

A change in the Citizenship Act will be proposed to ensure full equality 
of rights for all Canadian citizens wherever they were born. Immigration policy 
will be reviewed. 

Members of the House of Commons, 

You will be asked to appropriate the funds required for the services and 
payments authorized by Parliament. 

You will be invited to establish a special Committee of the House to 
examine defence problems. 

It will be proposed that the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections 
review the Canada Elections Act. 

You will be asked to agree to the establishment of a Committee on Pro- 
cedure, over which the Speaker will preside, with the aim of strengthening 
Parliament and making it more effective. 

Honourable Members of the Senate, 

Members of the House of Commons, 

In addition to the measures already specified, you will be asked to con- 
sider other legislative proposals. 

May Divine Providence guide you in your deliberations. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 13 

On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, it was ordered, — 
That the Speech of His Excellency the Administrator, delivered this day from 
the Throne to the two Houses of Parliament, be taken into consideration at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Mes- 
sage from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. 
Speaker, as follows: 

GEORGES P. VANIER: 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons a certified copy 
of an Order in Council appointing the Honourable Lionel Chevrier, Minister 
of Justice, the Honourable J. W. Pickersgill, Secretary of State, the Honourable 
W. L. Gordon, Minister of Finance, and the Honourable Judy LaMarsh, Min- 
ister of National Health and Welfare, to act with the Speaker of the House of 
Commons as commissioners for the purposes and under the provisions of the 
one hundred and forty-third chapter of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952, 
intituled: An Act respecting the House of Commons. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, it was resolved, — 
That a Special Committee be appointed to prepare and report, with all conven- 
ient speed, lists of Members to compose the Standing Committees of this House; 
the said Committee to be composed of Messrs. Caron, Churchill, Knowles, Leboe, 
Pickersgill and Winkler, and that the provisions of Standing Order 65(1) be 
suspended in relation to the number of Members thereon. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, Lucien Lamoureux, 
Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Stormont, was appointed Chair- 
man of Committees of the Whole House. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, Herman Maxwell 
Batten, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Humber-St. George's, was 
appointed Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole House. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chev- 
rier, it was ordered, — That, when the House adjourns this day, it shall stand 
adjourned until tomorrow at 2.30 p.m., and that the provisions of section (1), 
Standing Order 2, shall be suspended in relation thereto. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers, having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Proceedings of the Commissioners of 
Internal Economy of the House of Commons, for the period September 27, 1962 
to May 15, 1963, pursuant to Standing Order 81. (English and French). 



14 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Chief Electoral Officer on Administration, 
Suggested Amendments and Complaints, dated May 10, 1963, pursuant to 
section 58(3) of the Canada Elections Act, chapter 39, Statutes of Canada, 1960. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Parliamentary Librarian, pursuant to 
section 2 of the Regulations respecting the Library of Parliament (English 
and French), which is as follows: 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

The Parliamentary Librarian has the honour to submit his report for 
the last eight months. The last report was presented to both Houses on Septem- 
ber 26, 1962. 

The Joint Committee met once during the last session, on December 4, 
1962, to review Library matters. 

The publication of the "Selected Additions List" was continued and a 
new edition of the leaflet "How the Library of Parliament Can Help Senators 
and Members" will be distributed shortly. 

From September 1st 1962 to April 30, 1963, our staff answered 2,579 
reference questions and circulated 14,567 books and periodicals. During the 
same period, 10,737 volumes were catalogued and classified, which brings to 
192,424 the number of volumes recatalogued since the fire of 1952. 

We are happy to report that Dr. Leonard W. Brockington, C.M.G., Q.C., 
has presented the Library with a first edition of Johnson's Dictionary in four 
fine volumes. 

As directed by the Joint Committee at its meeting of December 4, 1962, 
the Parliamentary Librarian has arranged to have Professor P. B. Waite of 
Dalhousie University accept the major responsibility for the compilation of an 
adequate Hansard for 1867-1874 as a Centennial Project of Parliament. It 
is hoped that work may begin in June. 

The list of "Subject Headings" used in our French language catalogue was 
completed this year and is being published later this month by the Queen's 
Printer. We derive considerable satisfaction from the fact that members of our 
staff have made such an important contribution to Canadian librarianship. 
Although many have contributed to make this publication possible, we wish 
to pay a special tribute to Mr. Guy Forget, Head of the French catalogue, who 
directed and coordinated the efforts of his colleagues with such success. We 
regret to report that Mr. Forget, who has served the Library so well for thirteen 
years, has resigned his post to accept a senior appointment at the library of 
Laval University. 

We are also sorry to report the loss to Laval University of Mr. Rosario de 
Varennes, Assistant Chief of the English catalogue, who was with us for almost 
ten years. Two other members of our staff left recently: Mr. Rosaire Cho- 
quette, retired after thirty-two years of service, and Mr. J. F. Cooke, Clerk of 
English Periodicals, was transferred to the Hansard Index and Reference 
Branch of the House of Commons. 

Respectfully submitted, 

Erik J. Spicer, 
Parliamentary Librarian. 
Library of Parliament, 
Ottawa, May 15, 1963. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 15 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summaries of 
Orders in Council passed during the months of January, February, March and 
April, 1963. 

By Mr. Pearson, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations published in 
the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, February 13 and 27, March 13 and 
27, April 10 and 24 and May 8, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations 
Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pearson, — Consolidated Index and Table of Statutory Orders and 
Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, for the periods January 
1, 1955 to December 31, 1962, and January 1, 1955 to March 31, 1963. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Dominion Coal Board for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 15 of the Dominion Coal Board Act, chapter 86, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Benidickson, — Report with respect to Operations under the Coal 
Production Assistance Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 9 of the said Act, chapter 173, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1959. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Bank of Canada, and Statement of Accounts certified by the Auditors, for the 
year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 27(3) of the Bank of 
Canada Act, chapter 13, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1953-54. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report of the Master of the Royal Canadian Mint, for the 
year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 21 of the Currency, Mint 
and Exchange Fund Act, chapter 315, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Canada — 
Co-operative Credit Societies, for the year ended December 31, 1961. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report on the Administration of the Public Service 
Superannuation Act, Parts I and II, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pur- 
suant to section 34, chapter 47, Statutes of Canada 1952-53, and section 49, 
chapter 64, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Canada — 
Loan and Trust Companies, for the year ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to 
section 9 of the Department of Insurance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Canada — 
Small Loans Companies and Money-Lenders licensed under the Small Loans 
Act, for the year ended December 31, 1961. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report of the Superintendent of Insurance for Canada, 
Volume III, Annual Statements — Life Insurance Companies and Fraternal 
Benefit Societies, for the year ended December 31, 1961, pursuant to section 9 
of the Department of Insurance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 1952. 



16 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Gordon, — Lists of shareholders in the Chartered Banks of Canada, 
as at the end of the financial years ended in 1962, pursuant to section 119(1) 
of the Bank Act, chapter 48, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Lists of shareholders in the Banks incorporated under 
the Quebec Savings Banks Act, as at the end of the financial years ended in 

1962, pursuant to section 93(1) of the said Act, chapter 41, Statutes of Canada, 
1953-54. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Operations under Part II of the Export Credits Insurance Act, 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 27 of the said Act, 
chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Return of Unclaimed Balances in the Chartered Banks of 
Canada, as at December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 119(1) of the Bank Act, 
chapter 48, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Return of Unclaimed Balances in the Banks incorporated 
under the Quebec Savings Banks Act, as at December 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 93(1) of the said Act, chapter 41, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on Prairie 
Farm Rehabilitation and Related Activities, for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 12 of the Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act, chapter 214, 
R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hays, — Report on Activities under the Prairie Farm Assistance Act, 
for the Crop Year ended July 31, 1962, pursuant to section 12 of the said Act, 
chapter 213, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — List of Appor- 
tionments and Adjustments of Seed Grain, Fodder for Animals and Other Relief 
Indebtedness, for the period from September 28, 1962, to May 16, 1963, pursuant 
to section 2 of An Act respecting Certain Debts due the Crown, chapter 51, 
Statutes of Canada, 1926-27. 

By Mr. Laing, — Statement concerning Refunds under The Refunds (Natural 
Resources) Act, for the period September 28, 1962, to May 16, 1963, pursuant 
to section 3 of the said Act, chapter 35, Statutes of Canada, 1932. 

By Mr. Laing, — Copy of Ordinances, chapters 1 to 8, made by the Com- 
missioner in Council of the Northwest Territories, assented to on January 24, 

1963, pursuant to section 15 of the Northwest Territories Act, chapter 331, 
R.S.C. 1952, as amended 1953-54, together with a copy of Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-260, dated February 14, 1963, approving same. 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of National 
Health and Welfare, for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 10 
of the Department of National Health and Welfare Act, chapter 74, R.S.C, 1952. 
(French). 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 16th MAY 17 

By Miss LaMarsh, — Report of Expenditures and Administration in connec- 
tion with the Unemployment Assistance Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 26, Statutes of Canada, 1956. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
the Industrial Relations and Disputes Investigation Act for the year ended 
March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 68 of the said Act, chapter 152, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in 
Council P.C. 1963-188, dated February 6, 1963, establishing a new Federal 
Elections Fees Tariff and revoking the former Tariff made by Order in Council 
P.C. 1961-433, dated March 23, 1961, pursuant to section 60(2) of the Canada 
Elections Act, chapter 39, Statutes of Canada, 1960. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Order in Council P.C. 1963-189, dated February 6, 
1963, establishing a new Yukon and Northwest Territories Electoral Districts 
Election Fees Tariff and revoking the former Tariff made by Order in Council 
P.C. 1961-436, dated March 23, 1961, as amended, pursuant to section 60(2) of 
the Canada Elections Act, chapter 39, Statutes of Canada, 1960. (English and 
French) . 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Order in Council P.C. 1963-190, dated February 6, 
1963, establishing a new Canadian Forces General Elections Fees Tariff and 
revoking the former Tariff made by Order in Council P.C. 1961-434, dated 
March 23, 1961, pursuant to section 60(2) of the Canada Elections Act, chapter 
39, Statutes of Canada, 1960. (English and French). 

Financial Statement of the Royal Society of Canada, certified by the 
Auditors, for the year ended March 31, 1963. 

Minutes of Proceedings of the Royal Society of Canada, 1962, pursuant to 
section 9 of An Act to Incorporate the Royal Society of Canada, chapter 46, 
Statutes of Canada, 1883. (English and French). 



At 4.20 o'clock p.m., the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock 
p.m. pursuant to Order made this day. 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 17th MAY 19 

No. 2 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



Prayers. 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 17th MAY, 1963 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



The Order for the consideration of the Speech from the Throne delivered 
by His Excellency the Administrator to both Houses of Parliament being read; 

Miss Jewett, seconded by Mr. Choquette, moved, — That the following 
Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been con- 
ferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor 
General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the Administra- 
tor has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was, on motion of Mr. Dief en- 
baker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, adjourned. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Garland, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budget 
of Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation for the year ending December 
31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chap- 
ter 116, R.S.C., 1952. 



20 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Garland, — Report of the Central Mortgage and Housing Corpora- 
tion, together with a Statement of its Accounts certified by the Auditors, for 
the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 33 of the Central Mort- 
gage and Housing Corporation Act, chapter 46, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) 
of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French) . 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on Activi- 
ties under the Maritime Marshland Rehabilitation Act for the year ended 
March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 175, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Board of Transport Commissioners for Canada for the year ended December 
31, 1962, pursuant to section 31 of the Railway Act, chapter 234, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of the National Harbours Board, including its 
Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the 
year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 32 of the National Harbours 
Board Act, chapter 187, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Admin- 
istration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of Park Steamship Company Limited for the 
year ended December 31, 1962, certified by the Auditor General, pursuant to 
sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of the Cornwall International Bridge Company 
Limited, for the year ended September 30, 1962, certified by the Auditor Gen- 
eral, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of the Canadian National (West Indies) Steam- 
ships, Limited, for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 85(3) 
of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French) . 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of the Canadian National Railways Securities 
Trust for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 17 of the 
Canadian National Railways Capital Revision Act, chapter 311, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of the Canadian National Railways for the year 
ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 40 of the Canadian National 
Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of Trans-Canada Air Lines for the year ended 
December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 29 of the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, 
chapter 268, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report to Parliament of the Auditor on the Accounts 
of the Canadian National Railway System for the year ended December 31, 
1962, pursuant to section 40 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 
29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. (English and French). 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 17th MAY 21 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report to Parliament of the Auditor on the Accounts 
of Trans-Canada Air Lines for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 29 of the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, chapter 268, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report entitled: "Department of Transport — Annual 
Record of Operations, 1961-62". 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Statement of work performed and expenditures made 
as of December 31, 1962, respecting the construction by the Canadian National 
Railway Company of certain terminal facilities in the vicinity of the City of 
Montreal, pursuant to section 11 of the Canadian National Montreal Terminals 
Act, chapter 12, Statutes of Canada, 1929. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Statement of work performed and expenditures made 
as of December 31, 1962, together with estimated expenditures for 1963, respect- 
ing the construction by the Canadian National Railway Company of certain rail- 
way terminal facilities at and in the vicinity of the City of Toronto, pursuant to 
section 10 of the Canadian National Toronto Terminals Act, chapter 26, 
Statutes of Canada, 1960. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Statement of work performed and expenditures made 
as of December 31, 1962, together with estimated expenditures for 1963, under 
authority of chapter 7, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61, respecting the construction 
by the Canadian National Railway Company of a railway line from mile 72.6, 
Kiask Falls Subdivision, to Mattagami Lake Mines, Township of Galinee, in the 
Province of Quebec, pursuant to section 8 of the said Act. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of work performed and expenditures made as of 
December 31, 1962, together with estimated expenditures for 1963, under 
authority of chapter 56, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61, respecting the construc- 
tion by the Canadian National Railway Company, of a line of railway from a 
point near Grimshaw, in the Province of Alberta, in a northerly direction to 
Great Slave Lake in the Northwest Territories, pursuant to section 9 of the 
said Act. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of work performed and expenditures made as 
of December 31, 1962, together with estimated expenditures for 1963, under 
authority of chapter 9, Statutes of Canada, 1962, respecting the construction 
of a line of railway in the Province of Alberta by Canadian National Railway 
Company from Whitecourt to the property of Pan American Petroleum Cor- 
poration, pursuant to section 8 of the said Act. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of work performed and expenditures made as 
of December 31, 1962, under authority of chapter 13, Statutes of Canada, 1962, 
respecting the construction and operation on behalf of Her Majesty of a line of 
railway in the Province of Quebec between Matane and Ste. Anne des Monts, 
pursuant to section 6 of the said Act. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Capital and Operating Budgets of the Canadian 
National Railway Company for the year ending December 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 37 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of 
Canada, 1955, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-266, dated 
February 19, 1963, approving same. 



22 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Capital Budget of Trans- Canada Air Lines for the year 
ending December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Admin- 
istration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-255, dated February 14, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Capital Budget of the National Harbours Board for 
the year ending December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in 
Council P.C. 1963-143, dated January 29, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Report of The St. Lawrence Seaway Authority, includ- 
ing its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for 
the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of 
the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Custodian of Enemy 
Property for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 3 of the 
Trading with the Enemy (Transitional Powers) Act, chapter 24, Statutes of 
Canada, 1947. (English and French). 



At 4.30 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, 
the House adjourned until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 20th MAY 23 

No. 3 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 20th MAY, 1963 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker: Today, the Birthday of Her Gracious Majesty The Queen 
is being celebrated. 

As has been customary now for some time, we, in this House, are showing 
our loyalty and devotion by continuing our work in Parliament. 

As an expression of that loyalty and devotion, I would like to suggest, 
that, if the House so desires, I send, on your behalf, a Birthday message to 
Her Majesty. 

Whereupon the said message was agreed to. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a letter dated May 15, 1963, addressed by the Prime Minister 
of Canada to the Premiers of the Provinces, concerning bilingualism and bi- 
culturalism, together with a copy of the proposed terms of reference of a 
Royal Commission on Bilingualism and Biculturalism. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, the said letter and proposed terms of reference 
were ordered to be printed as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: The House will note that there is a record number of bills, 
namely sixty-four, listed for introduction by private Members on today's 
Order Paper. I would like to compliment honourable Members on their interest 
and zeal in submitting such a great number of bills on the opening days of the 
session. 

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Some of the bills were considered in the past session and are being 
re-introduced at this time but there is also a substantial number of new 
proposals. 

As a result of this flooding on the opening days, it is difficult, if not impos- 
sible, for the Chair to review the provisions of these bills to ensure that they 
conform to the practices and usages of this House. Indeed, copies of most of 
them will be coming before me for the first time later on in the sitting during the 
course of subsequent proceedings. 

I have two suggestions which I would like to submit to the consideration 
of the House in order to provide the maximum of time for speeches from the 
several leaders which, by tradition, are made at this stage of the Address 
debate. 

Firstly, the House might wish to consider the advisability of proceeding 
with the first reading of these bills with the understanding that each will be 
scrutinized between now and the time appointed for its second reading when 
any defects therein will be brought to the attention of the House. As honour- 
able Members know, the order for first reading of a bill merely authorizes its 
printing and, after it has been printed and distributed, they too will be in a 
position to discuss any irregularity that may be found in the bill. 

I should say that a similar suggestion was submitted to, and accepted by, 
the House by my predecessor which is to be found at page 30 of Hansard, 
October 1, 1962, and also by Mr. Speaker Michener at page 2382 of Hansard, 
April 2, 1962. 

Secondly, the House will appreciate that almost two hours or more may be 
required in order to introduce and give first reading separately to each of the 
bills listed for introduction in this sitting. 

If the House is agreeable, I would suggest that, by "unanimous consent", 
the sixty-four bills listed for introduction be deemed to have been introduced, 
given a first reading and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House, subject, of course, to my prior remarks as to the examination and 
regularity of each bill. 



Accordingly, by unanimous consent, the following bills were deemed, by 
leave of the House, to have been introduced, read a first time, and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill C-2, An Act to provide for Pay for Statutory Holidays and for Pay 
for Work Performed on Statutory Holidays for Employees in Federal Works, 
Undertakings and Businesses. — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Representation Act. — Mr. Belanger. 

Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Human Rights abuses 
remedied). — Mr. Herridge. ' 

Bill C-5, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act (Primary Products under 
Processing). — Mr. Whelan. 

Bill C-6, An Act to provide for the Control of Consumer Credit. — Mr. 
Scott. 

Bill C-7, An Act to amend the Pension Act (Judicial Appeal). — Mr. 
Mcintosh. 

Bill C-8, An Act to amend the National Harbours Board Act (Tisdale 
Grain Terminal). — Mr. Rapp. 

Bill C-9, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act (Advertising). — Mr. 
Orlikow. 

Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Interest Act. — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-ll, An Act to amend the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act (Twelve 
Mile Fishing Zone). — Mr. Mather. 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 20th MAY 25 

Bill C-12, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act (Wage Earners' Assign- 
ments). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-13, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Remembrance Day). — 
Mr. Herridge. 

Bill C-14, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act. — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Responsibility for Disloca- 
tion Costs). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-16, An Act to Found and Constitute the Western Canada Veterinary 
College. — Mr. Ormiston. 

Bill C-17, An Act to amend the Railway Act (The Public's Royalties in 
Abandoned Railways). — Mr. Ormiston. 

Bill C-18, An Act to grant Amnesty to and Confirm the Rights of Asians, 
Africans and other Persons subject to Racial Discrimination whose Admission 
to Canada may have been irregular or illegal. — Mr. Wahn. 

Bill C-19, An Act to establish the Office of Parliamentary Commissioner. — 
Mr. Thompson. 

Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Annual Vacations Act. — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-21, An Act with respect to Hospital and University Sweepstakes. — 
Mr. Pigeon. 

Bill C-22, An Act to amend the Department of State Act. — Mr. Grafftey. 

Bill C-23, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act (Cost of a loan). — 
Mr. Gauthier. 

Bill C-24, An Act to provide for the Establishment of a Hospital Sweep- 
stakes Board. — Mr. Horner (Acadia). 

Bill C-25, An Act to establish the Office of Parliamentary Proctor and to 
regulate Taxation of Costs. — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-26, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Advance Polls). — 
Mr. Leduc. 

Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Abandonment). — Mr. 
Thomas. 

Bill C-28, An Act to provide for Minimum Wages for Employees in Fed- 
eral Works, Undertakings and Businesses. — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-29, An Act to provide for the Development of certain Provinces by 
the Distribution of Industry and for the Reduction of Unemployment therein. — 
Mr. Coates. 

Bill C-30, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Community Antenna). — 
Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-31, An Act to amend the Interest Act (Finance Charges). — Mr. 
Nasserden. 

Bill C-32, An Act to Establish Canadian Futures. — Mr. Ormiston. 

Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Bills of Exchange Act (Instalment Pur- 
chases). — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-34, An Act to amend the Indian Act (Liquor Rights). — Mr. Barnett. 

Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (A Purge for the King's- 
evil). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-36, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Provincial Lotteries). — 
Mr. Valade. 

Bill C-37, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Capital Punishment). — 
Mr. Scott. 

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Bill C-38, An Act to amend the Canada Fair Employment Practices Act 
(Age Discrimination). — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-39, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Bureaucratic Oppres- 
sion). — Mr. Mcintosh. 

Bill C-40, An Act to amend the National Energy Board Act (Drainage 
Works). — Mr. Thomas. 

Bill C-41, An Act respecting Procedure in relation to Parliamentary 
Divorce. — Mr. Latulippe. 

Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Habeas Corpus). — Mr. 
Matheson. 

Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Bank of Canada Act. — Mr. Cote (Chicou- 
timi). 

Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Criminal Code. (Provincial Lotteries). — 
Mr. Perron. 

Bill C-45, An Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act (Agricul- 
tural Employees' Coverage). — Mr. Rapp. 

Bill C-46, An Act to amend the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Develop- 
ment Act (Indian Reserves). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-47, An Act to amend the Representation Act. — Mr. Gregoire. 

Bill C-48, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Nuisance) . — Mr. Herridge. 

Bill C-49, An Act to amend the Radio Act (Community Antenna). — Mr. 
Fisher. 

Bill C-50, An Act to provide in Canada for the Dissolution and the Annul- 
ment of Marriage. — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-51, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Collective Bargaining 
and Arbitration). — Mr. Prittie. 

Bill C-52, An Act to enable Civil Servants to engage in Political Activity. — 
Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-53, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Insanity). — Mr. Brewin. 

Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Political Programs). — 
Mr. Harley. 

Bill C-55, An Act to amend the Interest Act. — Mr. Leduc. 

Bill C-56, An Act to amend the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, 
with respect to the Readjustment of Representation in the House of Com- 
mons. — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-57, An Act to provide for Free Transportation on the Railways of 
Canada for Senior Citizens. — Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-58, An Act to Limit the Hours of Work for Employees in Federal 
Works, Undertakings and Businesses. — Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-59, An Act to provide for Review of Administrative Powers and to 
Relieve from their Misapplication (Administrative Review). — Mr. Matheson. 

Bill C-60, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Age of Voters). — 
Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-61, An Act respecting a National Flag and a National Anthem of 
Canada. — Mr. Pigeon. 

Bill C-62, An Act respecting Relief against Unconscionable Transactions. — 
Mr. Brewin. 

Bill C-63, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Political Pro- 
grams). — Mr. Harley. 

Bill C-64, An Act to amend the Criminal Code. — Mr. Prittie. 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 20th MAY 27 

Bill C-65, An Act to amend the House of Commons Act (Speaker on Dis- 
solution) . — Mr. Whelan. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the proposed motion of Miss 
Jewett, seconded by Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented 
to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been con- 
ferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor Gen- 
eral and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Com- 
mons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks 
to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the Adminis- 
trator has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved in amendment thereto, 
— That the following be added to the Address: 

"While recognizing that Canada's economic growth during the year 1962 
exceeded that of any country in the Western World, this House regrets that 
many of the pledges made by the Prime Minister and his colleagues have not 
been incorporated in the Government's declaration of intention as outlined in 
the Speech from the Throne, and further regrets that the policies announced 
fail to provide full opportunity for the people of Canada to continue the social 
advance and large economic growth of the past year." 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was, on motion of Mr. Douglas, 
seconded by Mr. Knowles, adjourned. 



By unanimous consent, at 9.55 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 21st MAY 29 

No. 4 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 21st MAY, 1963 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk had received from the 
Chief Electoral Officer a copy of a notice which is to be published this day in 
the Canada Gazette concerning the election of Mr. Gustave P. Blouin in the 
Electoral District of Saguenay; said notice being as follows: 

CANADA ELECTIONS ACT 

Return of Member elected at the 1963 General Election 

Notice is hereby given, pursuant to the provisions of subsection (5) of 
section 56 of the Canada Elections Act, that the following return has been 
received of the election of a member to serve in the House of Commons of 
Canada for the undermentioned electoral district: 

Electoral District Member 

Saguenay (Que.) Gustave P. Blouin 



Dated at Ottawa this 21st day of May, 1963. 



N. CASTONGUAY, 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



Gustave P. Blouin, Esquire, having taken and subscribed the oath required 
by law, took his seat. 



30 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the establish- 
ment of an Economic Council of Canada and to define the duties thereof, to 
provide for the appointment of the chairman, directors and other members of 
the Council and for the payment of the remuneration of the chairman and 
directors and of certain other expenses of administration of the Council, to 
provide further that the Council may engage the services of such advisers and 
staff as may be necessary to enable it to carry out its duties and to provide 
further for other related and incidental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to promote increased employ- 
ment in Canada by the provision of financial assistance by way of loans to 
municipalities, the object of such loans being to enable municipalities to aug- 
ment or accelerate their capital works programmes subject to the approval 
of the Provinces concerned; and for this purpose to provide a special fund in 
the Consolidated Revenue Fund not exceeding four hundred million dollars 
to be available for the making of loans to municipalities and certain other 
municipal authorities for specific municipal capital works projects; to establish 
a Municipal Development and Loan Board to administer the fund so provided; 
to authorize the acceptance of municipal debentures for any loans so made; 
to authorize a measure of forgiveness in respect of any loans so made, depend- 
ing upon the date of completion of the projects for which such loans are made; 
and to provide further for other related and incidental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure (a) to establish a Department 
of Industry to be presided over by a Minister of Industry who shall be appointed 
under the Great Seal of Canada, to authorize the appointment of a Deputy 
Minister by the Governor in Council, and to provide for the appointment to the 
Department on a temporary basis of persons having special knowledge of man- 
ufacturing industries to assist in the work of the Department; (b) to provide 
for the establishment under the direction of the Minister of an Area Develop- 
ment Agency and to provide for the appointment of a Commissioner and a 
Deputy Commissioner for Area Development; and (c) to make a consequential 
amendment to the Salaries Act to provide a salary for the Minister. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its 
next sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 21st MAY 31 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure respecting the Department of 
Agriculture, to provide that the Department shall be presided over by a 
Minister of Agriculture (East) and a Minister of Agriculture (West) appointed 
under the Great Seal of Canada, and to make a consequential amendment to the 
Salaries Act to provide salaries for both Ministers. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Robichaud, moved, — That the House 
do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Atlantic Develop- 
ment Board Act to increase the number of members of the Atlantic Develop- 
ment Board from five to eleven; to establish as a separate account in the 
Consolidated Revenue Fund an Atlantic Development Fund to which shall be 
credited the sum of one hundred million dollars to be used for the purpose 
of financing or assisting in financing programs or projects that would contribute 
to the growth and development of the economy of the Atlantic region and for 
which satisfactory financing arrangements are not otherwise available; and 
to provide that the said Act shall expire on the 24th day of January, 1969; 
and to provide further for certain changes in connection with the administra- 
tion of the said Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to Gov- 
ernment Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That a Special Committee be appointed to consider matters relating to 
defence and to report from time to time its observations and opinions thereon; 
that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records and 
to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from place to place; 
that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the Committee; and that 
the Committee consist of 18 members to be designated by the House at a 
later date. — The Prime Minister. 



Mr. Laing, seconded by Mr. Garland, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Northwest 
Territories Act and to rename the said Territories, and to effect certain conse- 
quential changes in the statute law with respect thereto, inter alia to increase 
the number of elected members of the Council of the Territory from four to 
five, to establish a separate Territorial Revenue Fund and to provide for the 
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transfer thereto of a portion of the amount standing to the credit of the North- 
west Territories Revenue Account in the Consolidated Revenue Fund upon 
the coming into force of the said measure. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Laing, seconded by Mr. Garland, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish a new Territory 
under the name of Nunassiaq Territory and to provide for the government 
thereof and the administration of justice therein; to provide inter alia for the 
appointment of a Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner of the Territory, 
the establishment of a Council of the Territory, the appointment and election 
and the tenure of the members thereof, the sessional indemnities for the 
elected members and one of the appointed members thereof, the travelling 
and living expenses of the members thereof and the legislative powers of the 
Commissioner in Council; to provide also for the payment of territorial 
revenues into the Consolidated Revenue Fund and for the establishment therein 
of an account to be known as the Nunassiaq Revenue Account, to which shall 
be credited amounts equal to the territorial revenues paid from time to time 
into the Consolidated Revenue Fund and all moneys appropriated by Parlia- 
ment to be credited to the said Account; to provide also for the payment, out 
of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, of money required for the territorial 
purposes specified in ordinances of the Commissioner in Council or, until the 
establishment of the first Council of the Territory, in orders of the Commis- 
sioner, all such payments to be charged to the Nunassiaq Revenue Account; 
to provide also for the establishment of a Territorial Court and for the 
appointment of a judge and a deputy judge thereto; to provide also for the 
appointment of police magistrates in and for the Territory and for the fixing 
of their salaries and allowances; to provide also that the Governor in Council 
may appoint justices of the peace in and for the Territory and authorize 
payment of their remuneration and travelling and other expenses; and to 
provide further that the Governor in Council may appoint a Clerk of the Court, 
sheriff and such other officers as are deemed necessary for the administration 
of justice in the Territory and fix their salaries and allowances. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its 
next sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the proposed motion of Miss 
Jewett, seconded by Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented 
to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. 
Vanier, Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been 
conferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor 
General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the Administra- 
tor has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 



A.D. 1963 



TUESDAY, 21st MAY 



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And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. 
Churchill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"While recognizing that Canada's economic growth during the year 1962 
exceeded that of any country in the Western World, this House regrets that 
many of the pledges made by the Prime Minister and his colleagues have not 
been incorporated in the Government's declaration of intention as outlined in 
the Speech from the Throne, and further regrets that the policies announced 
fail to provide full opportunity for the people of Canada to continue the social 
advance and large economic growth of the past year.". 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Herridge, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amended by deleting there- 
from all the words after the word "Address" and by substituting therefor the 
following words: 

"We regret that Your Excellency's advisers have indicated their intention 
of acquiring nuclear arms for Canadian forces, thereby lessening the chances 
for nuclear disarmament and increasing the danger of nuclear war.". 

And debate arising thereon; at 9.45 p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38(3); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 



Yeas 
Messrs: 



Alkenbrack, 


Fairweather, 


Langlois, 


Ouellet, 


Balcer, 


Fane, 


Laprise, 


Pascoe, 


Baldwin, 


Fisher, 


Latulippe, 


Paul, 


Barnett, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


• Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Peters, 


Beaule, 


Revelstoke), 


Jean), 


Pigeon, 


Belanger, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


■ Loney, 


Plourde, 


Bell, 


Carleton), 


MacEwan, 


Prittie, 


Bigg, 


Forbes, 


Maclnnis, 


Pugh, 


Boutin, 


Frenette, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rapp, 


Brewin, 


Gauthier, 


MacRae, 


Ricard, 


Cadieu, 


Girouard, 


McBain, 


Rondeau, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


■ Grafftey, 


McCutcheon, 


Rynard, 


Cowichan-The 


Gregoire, 


Madill, 


Scott, 


Islands), 


Gundlock, 


Marcoux, 


Simpson, 


Cantelon, 


Hales, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Skoreyko, 


Caouette, 


Hamilton, 


Martineau, 


Smallwood, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Herridge, 


Mather, 


Smith, 


Chatterton, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Millar, 


Southam, 


Churchill, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Monteith, 


Starr, 


Clancy, 


South), 


Moore, 


Stefanson, 


Coates, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Stenson, 


Cooper, 


Huron), 


North and 


Thomas, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Irvine, 


Victoria), 


Vincent, 


Crouse, 


Jorgenson, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Danforth, 


Kennedy, 


Nesbitt, 


Webb, 


Diefenbaker, 


Kindt, 


Noble, 


Webster, 


Dinsdale, 


Knowles, 


Nowlan, 


Weichel, 


Dionne, 


Korchinski, 


Nugent, 


Willoughby, 


Doucett, 


Lamb, 


Orlikow, 


Winch, 


Douglas, 


Lambert, 


Ormiston, 


Winkler, 


Enns, 






Woolliams — 113. 


28904-1—41 









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12 ELIZABETH II 



Nays 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Deschatelets, 


Lachance, 


Otto, 


Armstrong, 


Drury, 


Laing, 


Patterson, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Dube, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pearson, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Dupuis, 


Lamontagne, 


Pennell, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


• Emard, 


Lamoureux, 


Pepin, 


Wolfe), 


Ethier, 


Laniel, 


Pickersgill, 


Badanai, 


Favreau, 


Leboe, 


Pilon, 


Basford, 


Forest, 


Leduc, 


Regan, 


Batten, 


Forgie, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Richard, 


Bechard, 


Foy, 


Henri), 


Rideout, 


Beer, 


Francis, 


Lloyd, 


Rinfret, 


Benidickson, 


Garland, 


Loiselle, 


Robichaud, 


Benson, 


Gelber, 


Macaluso, 


Rochon, 


Berger, 


Gendron, 


Macdonald, 


Rock, 


Blouin, 


Godin, 


MacEachen, 


Rouleau, 


Boulanger, 


Gordon, 


Mackasey, 


Ryan, 


Brown, 


Granger, 


MacNaught, 


Sauve, 


Cadieux, 


Gray, 


Mcllraith, 


Stewart, 


Cameron (High 


Greene, 


Mcintosh, 


Tardif, 


Park), 


Groos, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Teillet, 


Cardin, 


Guay, 


McMillan, 


Temple, 


Caron, 


Habel, 


McNulty, 


Thompson, 


Carter, 


Haidasz, 


McWilliam, 


Tremblay, 


Cashin, 


Hahn, 


Martin (Essex East) 


Tucker, 


Chevrier, 


Harkness, 


Matheson, 


' Turner, 


Chretien, 


Harley, 


Matte, 


Wahn, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Hays, 


Mitchell, 


Walker, 


Cowan, 


Hellyer, 


Moreau, 


Watson 


Crossman, 


Honey, 


Mullally, 


(Chateauguay 


Cyr, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Munro, 


Huntingdon- 


Davis, 


Kelly, 


Nicholson, 


Laprairie), 


Deachman, 


Klein, 


O'Keefe, 


Whelan— 124. 


Denis, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Olson, 





Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Public 
Works for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 34 of the Public 
Works Act, chapter 228, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.17 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2,30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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No. 5 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 22nd MAY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Wahn, 
it was ordered, — That a Message be sent to the Senate to return to that House 
the evidence taken and the papers produced before the Senate Standing Com- 
mittee on Divorce during the First Session of the Twenty-fifth Parliament with 
respect to Bills SD-1 to SD-494 inclusive. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Miss Jewett, 
seconded by Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. 
Vanier, Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been 
conferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor 
General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks 
to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the Adminis- 
trator has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. 
Churchill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"While recognizing that Canada's economic growth during the year 1962 
exceeded that of any country in the Western World, this House regrets that 
many of the pledges made by the Prime Minister and his colleagues have not 



36 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

been incorporated in the Government's declaration of intention as outlined in 
the Speech from the Throne, and further regrets that the policies announced 
fail to provide full opportunity for the people of Canada to continue the social 
advance and large economic growth of the past year.". 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement, 
dated May 22, 1963, showing Special Warrants issued under section 28 of 
the Financial Administration Act since the dissolution of Parliament on Feb- 
ruary 6, 1963, pursuant to section 28(3) of the said Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 
1952. 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Orders in Coun- 
cil, pursuant to section 21b of the Export Credits Insurance Act, chapter 105, 
R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61, as follows: 

(1) Order in Council P.C. 1963-420, dated March 11, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by Pelletier Engineering (International) 
Limited, Montreal, Quebec, of engineering services and capital equipment to 
the East Pakistan Water and Power Development Authority. 

(2) Order in Council P.C. 1963-421, dated March 11, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21 of the said Act, contracts of insurance by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the shipment of approximately 150,000 metric tons 
of Canadian wheat to Czechoslovakia. 

(3) Order in Council P.C. 1963-422, dated March 11, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by General Motors Diesel Limited, Lon- 
don, Ontario, of 15 diesel electric locomotives to Companhia Vale de Rio 
Doce S.A., Rio de Janeiro, Republic of the United States of Brazil. 

(4) Order in Council P.C. 1963-495, dated March 25, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21 a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by General Motors Diesel Limited, London, 
Ontario, of 15 diesel electric locomotives to Companhia Vale de Rio Doce S.A., 
Rio de Janeiro, Republic of the United States of Brazil, revoking Order in 
Council P.C. 1963-422, dated March 11, 1963. 

(5) Order in Council P.C. 1963-496, dated March 25, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by The Dominion Road Machinery Co., 
Limited, Goderich, Ontario, of 100 "Champion" road graders and spare parts 
to Direccion Provincial de Vialidad de Santa Fe, Republic of Argentina (The 
Provincial Highway Administration of Santa Fe). 

(6) Order in Council P.C. 1963-518, dated March 25, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21 of the said Act, contracts of insurance by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the shipment of approximately 200,000 metric tons 
of Canadian wheat to Yugoslavia. 

(7) Order in Council P.C. 1963-571, dated April 11, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale by Canadian General Electric Company 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 22nd MAY 37 

Limited, Toronto, Ontario, of equipment for a hydro-electric power project, 
and related engineering services from Ingledow Kidd and Associates Limited, 
Vancouver, British Columbia, to the Government of Ceylon. 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report, and Financial Statements of the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended 
December 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 17(3) and 18 of the Export Credits 
Insurance Act, chapter 105, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Capital Budget of the Export Credits Insurance Cor- 
poration for the year ending December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) of 
the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a 
copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-245, dated February 14, 1963, approving 
same. 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report of the Canadian Wheat Board for the Crop Year 
ended July 31, 1962, certified by the Auditors, pursuant to section 7(2) of the 
Canadian Wheat Board Act, chapter 44, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Sharp, — Supplementary Report of the Canadian Wheat Board 
on the 1961-62 Pool Accounts for Wheat, certified by the Auditors, pursuant 
to section 7(2) of the Canadian Wheat Board Act, chapter 44, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report on the Activities of the National Energy Board 
for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 91 of the National 
Energy Board Act, chapter 46, Statutes of Canada, 1959. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report of Northern Ontario Pipe Line Crown Corporation, 
including its Accounts and Financial Statement certified by the Auditor Gen- 
eral, for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 
87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Capital Budget of Northern Ontario Pipe Line Crown 
Corporation for the year ending December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) 
of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C. 1952, together with 
a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-244, dated February 14, 1963, approving 
same. 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report %u Eldorado Mining and Refining Limited and its 
subsidiary companies, Eldorado Aviation Limited, and Northern Transporta- 
tion Company Limited, including their Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 1962, pur- 
suant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chap- 
ter 116, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Capital Budgets of Eldorado Mining and Refining Limi- 
ted, Northern Transportation Company Limited, and Eldorado Aviation Com- 
pany Limited, for the year ending December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 
80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C, 1952, together 
with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-142, dated January 29, 1963, ap- 
proving same. 



38 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Sharp, — Revised Capital Budget of Northern Transportation Com- 
pany Limited for the year ending December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) 
of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C. 1952, together with 
a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-453, dated March 18, 1963, approving 
same. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 23rd MAY 3» 

No. 6 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 23rd MAY, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that in accordance with the wishes of 
honourable Members a message had been forwarded to Her Majesty express- 
ing the loyalty and devotion of the Members of this House to Her Majesty on 
the occasion of the celebration of Her Majesty's birthday in Canada and, that 
in reply, he had received the following message: 

Buckingham Palace, 
May 23, 1963. 

The Speaker, 
House of Commons, 
Ottawa. 

I have received your message with very great pleasure. Please convey my 
sincere thanks to the Members of the House of Commons in Parliament 
assembled for their kind and loyal expression on the occasion of the celebra- 
tion of my birthday. 

ELIZABETH R. 



Mr. Macaluso, seconded by Mr. Klein, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-66, An Act to amend the Canadian Citizenship Act (Grant of Certifi- 
cate), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



40 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



12 ELIZABETH II 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Miss Jewett, seconded 
by Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented to His Excellency 
the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been con- 
ferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor Gen- 
eral and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Com- 
mons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble 
thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the 
Administrator has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. 
Churchill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"While recognizing that Canada's economic growth during the year 1962 
exceeded that of any country in the Western World, this House regrets that 
many of the pledges made by the Prime Minister and his colleagues have not 
been incorporated in the Government's declaration of intention as outlined in 
the Speech from the Throne, and further regrets that the policies announced 
fail to provide full opportunity for the people of Canada to continue the social 
advance and large economic growth of the past year." 

And debate continuing; at 9.30 p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the proceed- 
ings pursuant to Standing Order 38(4); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was nega- 
tived on the following division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Bigg, 

Cadieu, 

Cantelon, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Enns, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 



Forbes, 
Grafftey, 
Gundlock, 
Hales, 
Hamilton, 
Horner (Acadia), 
Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 
Irvine, 
Jorgenson, 
Kennedy, 
Kindt, 
Korchinski, 
Lambert, 
Loney, 
MacEwan, 
Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens), 
Macquarrie, 
MacRae, 



McBain, 

Mcintosh, 

Madill, 

Mandziuk, 

Martineau, 

Millar, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nielsen, 
Noble, 
Nowlan, 
Nugent, 
Ormiston, 
Pascoe, 
Paul, 
Pigeon, 



Rapp, 

Ricard, 

Rynard, 

Simpson, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Weichel, 

Willoughby, 

Winkler, 

Woolliams — 76. 



A.D. 1963 



THURSDAY, 23rd MAY 



41 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Addison, 

Armstrong, 

Asselin (Notre- 
Dame-de-Grace), 

Asselin (Richmond- 
Wolfe), 

Badanai, 

Barnett, 

Basford, 

Batten, 

Beaule, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 

Benidickson, 

Benson, 

Berger, 

Blouin, 

Boulanger, 

Boutin, 

Brewin, 

Brown, 

Cadieux, 

Cameron (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Cantin, 

Caouette, 

Cardin, 

Caron, 

Carter, 

Cashin, 

Chapdelaine, 

Choquette, 

Chretien, 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Cowan, 

Crossman, 

Cyr, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 



Denis, 


Knowles, 


Orlikow, 


Deschatelets, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Otto, 


Douglas, 


Lachance, 


Ouellet, 


Drouin, 


Laing, 


Patterson, 


Drury, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pearson, 


Dube, 


Lamontagne, 


Pennell, 


Dupuis, 


Lamoureux, 


Pepin, 


Emard, 


Langlois, 


Perron, 


Ethier, 


Laniel, 


Peters, 


Favreau, 


Laprise, 


Pickersgill, 


Fisher, 


Latulippe, 


Pilon, 


Forest, 


Leduc, 


Plourde, 


Forgie, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Richard, 


Francis, 


Henri), 


Rideout, 


Frenette, 


Lloyd, 


Rinfret, 


Garland, 


Loiselle, 


Rochon, 


Gauthier, 


Macaluso, 


Rock, 


Gelber, 


Macdonald, 


Rondeau, 


Gendron, 


MacEachen, 


Rouleau, 


Godin, 


Mackasey, 


Ryan, 


Gordon, 


MacNaught, 


Sauve, 


Granger, 


Mcllraith, 


Scott, 


Gray, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Sharp, 


Greene, 


McMillan, 


Stewart, 


Gregoire, 


McNulty, 


Tardif, 


Guay, 


McWilliam, 


Temple, 


Habel, 


Martin (Essex East) 


( Thompson, 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tremblay, 


Hahn, 


Mather, 


Tucker, 


Harley, 


Matheson, 


Turner, 


Hays, 


Matte, 


Wahn, 


Hellyer, 


Mitchell, 


Walker, 


Herridge, 


Moreau, 


Watson 


Honey, 


Morison, 


(Chateauguay 


Howe (Hamilton 


Mullally, 


Huntingdon- 


South), 
Jewett (Miss), 
Kelly, 
Klein, 


Munro, 
O'Keefe, 


Laprairie), 
Webster, 


Olson, 


Whelan, 






Winch— 147. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 



The following papers, having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Royal Commission on 
Government Organization, Volume 4, Special Areas of Administration (J. 
Grant Glassco, Chairman), dated January 21, 1963. (English and French). 

By Mr. Chevrier, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report relat- 
ing to the Administration of the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act for the 
year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 41(2) of the said Act, chapter 
111, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



42 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Poly- 
mer Corporation Limited, including its Accounts and Financial Statement 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 1962, pur- 
suant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 
116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Number and Amount of Loans to Indians made under section 69(1) of the 
Indian Act in the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 69(6) of the 
said Act, chapter 149, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of Ordi- 
nances, chapters 1 to 16, made by the Commissioner in Council of the Yukon 
Territory, assented to April 1, April 30, and May 7, 1963, pursuant to section 
20 of the Yukon Act, chapter 53, Statutes of Canada, 1952-53, together with 
a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-756, dated May 15, 1963, approving same. 



By unanimous consent, at 9.56 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 24th MAY 43 

No. 7 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 24th MAY, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable Senators Aseltine, Cameron, Davies, Fergusson, Fournier (De 
Lanaudiere), Gladstone, Gouin, Haig, Irvine, Lambert, Macdonald (Cape 
Breton), MacDonald (Queens), O'Leary (Antigonish-Guysborough), Pouliot, 
Reid, Vien, and Yuzyk have been appointed a Committee to assist the Honour- 
able the Speaker in the direction of the Library of Parliament, so far as the 
interests of the Senate are concerned, and to act on behalf of the Senate as 
Members of a Joint Committee of both Houses on the said Library. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable Senators Beaubien (Bedford), Blais, Bouffard, Bradley, Choquette, 
Comeau, Davies, Grosart, Isnor, McGrand, Pearson, Phillips, Reid, Savoie, Smith 
(Kamloops), Stambaugh, Thorvaldson, Turgeon, Welch, and Wood have been 
appointed a Committee to superintend the printing of the Senate during the 
present Session and to act on behalf of the Senate as Members of a Joint 
Committee of both Houses on the subject of the Printing of Parliament. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable the Speaker, the Honourable Senators Beaubien (Provencher) , 
Fergusson, Inman, Macdonald (Cape Breton), McLean, and Reid have been 
appointed a Committee to direct the management of the Restaurant of Parlia- 
ment, so far as the interests of the Senate are concerned, and to act on behalf 
of the Senate as Members of a Joint Committee of both Houses on the said 
Restaurant. 



44 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Copy of communique on the meeting of the Commonwealth Economic Con- 
sultative Council held at London, England, May 8-10, 1963. 



Mr. Sharp, laid before the House, — Copy of resolutions and conclusions, 
adopted at the meeting of Ministers on General Agreement on Tariffs and 
Trade held at Geneva, May 16-21, 1963, respecting the following (English and 
French) : 

(a) Measures for the expansion of trade of developing countries as a means of 
furthering their economic development. 

(b) Arrangements for the reduction or elimination of tariffs and other barriers 
to trade, and related matters. 

(c) Measures for access to markets for agricultural and other primary products. 



The House resumed the debate on the proposed motion of Miss Jewett, 
seconded by Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier,. 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been con- 
ferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor Gen- 
eral and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Com- 
mons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble 
thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the 
Administrator has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House, 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Number and Amount of Loans to Immigrants made under section 69(1) of the 
Immigration Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 69(6) 
of the said Act, chapter 325, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of the 
Secretary of State of Canada for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 8 of the Department of State Act, chapter 77, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of His 
Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Trade and 
Commerce for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 7 of the 
Department, of Trade and Commerce Act, chapter 78, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 24th MAY 45 

At 6.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 27th MAY, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Miss Jewett, 
seconded by Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been con- 
ferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor Gen- 
eral and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Com- 
mons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble 
thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the 
Administrator has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Administration of the 
Emergency Gold Mining Assistance Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pur- 
suant to section 10 of the said Act, chapter 95, R.S.C., 1952. 



48 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Teillet, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Financial State- 
ment on the Operations of the Veterans Insurance Act for the year ended March 
31, 1963, pursuant to section 20 of the said Act, chapter 279, R.S.C., 1952. (Eng- 
lish and French). 

By Mr. Teillet, — Financial Statement on the Operations of The Returned 
Soldiers' Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 
17(2) of the said Act, chapter 54, Statutes of Canada, 1920, as amended 1951. 
(English and French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put, 
until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 28th MAY, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Miss Jewett, seconded 
by Mr. Choquette, for an Address to His Excellency the Governor General in 
Reply to the Speech delivered by His Excellency the Administrator to both 
Houses of Parliament; 

And debate continuing; 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Miss 
LaMarsh, it was ordered, — That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint 
Their Honours that this House has appointed Mrs. Konantz and Messrs. 
Boulanger, Cowan, Cyr, Doucett, Ethier, Forgie, Gelber, Gregoire, Gundlock, 
Hales, Horner (The Battlefords), Irvine, Laprise, MacRae, Martin (Timmins), 
Matheson, McNulty, Muir (Lisgar), Noble, Pugh, Rinfret, Tucker, Webster, 
and Whelan a Committee to assist His Honour the Speaker in the direction of 
the Parliamentary Restaurant as far as the interests of the Commons are con- 
cerned, and to act as members of a Joint Committee of both Houses on the 
Restaurant. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Miss Jewett, seconded by 
Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented to His Excellency 
the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major-General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been con- 



50 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

ferred the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor Gen- 
eral and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks 
to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the Admin- 
istrator has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 29th MAY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk had received from the Chief 
Electoral Officer a copy of a notice which is to be published this day in the 
Canada Gazette concerning the election of Mr. Gene Rheaume in the Electoral 
District of Northwest Territories; said notice being as follows: 

CANADA ELECTIONS ACT 

Return of Member elected at the 1963 General Election 

Notice is hereby given, pursuant to the provisions of subsection (5) of 
section 56 of the Canada Elections Act, that the following return has been 
received of the election of a member to serve in the House of Commons of 
Canada for the undermentioned electoral district: 

Electoral District Member, 

Northwest Territories (N.W.T.) GENE RHEAUME. 



Dated at Ottawa this 29th day of May, 1963. 



N. CASTONGUAY, 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



Gene Rheaume, Esquire, having taken and subscribed the oath required by 
law, took his seat. 



52 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as 
follows : 

GEORGES P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Estimates of 
sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending on the 31st March, 
1964, and, in accordance with the provisions of the British North America Act, 
1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates to the House of 
Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 



Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as 
follows: 

GEORGES P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Supplementary 
Estimates (A) of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1964, and, in accordance with the provisions of The British 
North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates to 
the House of Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Miss Jewett, 
seconded by Mr. Choquette, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency Major- General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks 
to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which His Excellency the Adminis- 
trator has addressed to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; at 5.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38(5). 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to, on division. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, it was ordered that the 
said Address be engrossed and presented to His Excellency the Governor General 
by such Members of this House as are of the Honourable the Privy Council. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, it was resolved,— 
That this House will, at its next sitting, resolve itself into a Committee to con- 
sider of the Supply to be granted to Her Majesty. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 29th MAY 53 

On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, it was resolved, — 
That this House will, at its next sitting, resolve itself into a Committee to con- 
sider of the Ways and Means for raising the Supply to be granted to Her Majesty. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickers- 
gill, the Messages of His Excellency together with the Main Estimates and 
Supplementary Estimates (A), 1963-64, presented earlier this day, were referred 
to the Committee of Supply. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory Orders 
and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, May 22, 
1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Copies of Diplomatic Instruments (English and French) as follows: 

(1) International Coffee Agreement, 1962. Opened for Signature at New 
York, September 28, 1962. Signed by Canada, October 16, 1962. 

(2) Exchange of Notes between Canada and Chile permitting amateur 
radio stations of Canada and Chile to exchange messages or other communica- 
tions from or to third parties. Signed at Santiago, October 4 and 14, 1962. In 
force October 14, 1962. 

(3) Exchange of Notes between Canada and San Marino concerning visa 
requirements for non-immigrant travellers of the two countries. Signed at 
Saint-Marin and Ottawa, September 1 and October 16, 1962. In force November 
15, 1962. 

(4) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the United States of America 
concerning the co-ordination and use of radio frequencies above thirty mega- 
cycles per second. Signed at Ottawa, October 24, 1962. In force October 24, 1962. 

(5) Proces- verbal extending the declaration on the provisional accession 
of Argentina to the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade. Done at Geneva 
November 7, 1962. Signed by Canada December 19, 1962. 

(6) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the United States of America 
concerning a co-operation programme for the establishment and operation of 
a command and data acquisition station in Canada to serve an operational 
meteorological satellite system being established by the United States (NIM- 
BUS). Signed at Ottawa, December 28, 1962. In force December 28, 1962. 

(7) Executive Agreement between the Government of Canada and the 
Government of the Netherlands supplementary to the Exchange of Letters 
between the two countries signed on April 10, 1952, constituting an agreement 
to safeguard the rights of bona fide holders of bonds of Canada that have been 
reported by their Netherlands owners as lost or stolen during World War II. 
Signed at Ottawa, February 8, 1963. In force February 8, 1963. 



54 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(8) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the U.S.A. amending the 
Agreement of May 5, 1961, concerning the co-ordination of pilotage services 
in the waters of the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence River as far east as 
St. Regis. Signed at Washington, October 10, 1962 and February 21, 1963. In 
force February 21, 1963. 

(9) Declaration on the Provisional Accession of the Government of the 
United Arab Republic to the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade. Done at 
Geneva, November 13, 1962. Signed by Canada March 7, 1963. 

(10) Declaration on the Provisional Accession of the Government of the 
Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia to the General Agreement on Tariffs 
and Trade. Done at Geneva, November 13, 1962. Signed by Canada March 7, 
1963. 

(11) Exchange of Notes between Canada and El Salvador constituting an 
Agreement permitting amateur radio stations of Canada and El Salvador to 
exchange messages or other communications from or to third parties. Signed 
at San Jose and San Salvador, February 20 and March 11, 1963. In force April 9, 
1963. 

By Mr. Teillet, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Expenditures and Financial Commitments made under the Veterans' Land Act 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 42 of the said Act, chapter 
280, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French) 



By unanimous consent, at 5.53 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 30th MAY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a Report on the Department of Transport Air Services Needs 
(1962-1972) entitled "Canada in the Jet Age". (English and French). 



By unanimous consent, the following question asked by the honourable 
Member for Grey North (Mr. Noble) on Orders of the Day being called on 
May 29, 1963, (Hansard, page 421) was made an Order of the House for a 
Return showing: What action has the government taken to relieve the urgent 
low water problem in the great lakes which is causing demands from various 
harbours for immediate dredging? 

Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That a Special Committee 
be appointed to consider matters relating to defence and to report from time 
to time its observations and opinions thereon; that the Committee have power 
to send for persons, papers and records and to examine witnesses; that it be 
empowered to adjourn from place to place; that Standing Order No. 67 be 
suspended in relation to the Committee; and that the Committee consist of 18 
members to be designated by the House at a later date. 

And the question being proposed; 
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By unanimous consent, it was agreed that the words "18 members" be 
deleted from the said motion and the words "24 members" be substituted 
therefor so as to read, — That a Special Committee be appointed to consider 
matters relating to defence and to report from time to time its observations and 
opinions thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers 
and records and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from 
place to place; that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the 
Committee; and that the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated by 
the House at a later date. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-2, An Act to provide 
for Pay for Statutory Holidays and for Pay for Work Performed on Statutory 
Holidays for Employees in Federal Works, Undertakings and Businesses; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Winch, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Chevrier, — That a Special Committee be appointed to consider matters 
relating to defence and to report from time to time its observations and 
opinions thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers 
and records and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from 
place to place; that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the Com- 
mittee; and that the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated by the 
House at a later date. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of His 
Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Defence Pro- 
duction for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 34 of the 
Defence Production Act, chapter 62, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in 
Council P.C. 1963-728 dated May 9, 1963, withdrawing from entrustment to the 
Canadian National Railway Company certain Canadian Government Railways 
lands in Dalhousie Harbour, New Brunswick, pursuant to section 19 of the 
Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 



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By Mr. Mcllraith,— Order in Council P.C. 1963-789 dated May 23, 1963, 
withdrawing from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company a 
certain parcel of Canadian Government Railways land at Tuft's Cove, in the 
City of Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, pursuant to section 19 of the Canadian National 
Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put, 
until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 31st May, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



Nine petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Barnett, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-67, An Act respecting the Canada Court of Indian Claims, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of Supply, and progress having 
been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Public Bills) 

Order number 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request 
of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-4, An Act to amend 
the Broadcasting Act (Human Rights abuses remedied) ; 



60 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr Peters, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Operations of the Exchange Fund Account for the year ended December 31, 
1962, together with the Report of the Auditor General on the Audit of the said 
Account, pursuant to sections 26 and 27(2) of the Currency Mint and Ex- 
change Fund Act, chapter 315, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Moneys received and disbursed in the Special Account (Replacement of Mate- 
riel) for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 11(4) of the 
National Defence Act, chapter 184, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hellyer, — Statement on the Standing and Transactions of the 
Canadian Forces Superannuation Account as at March 31, 1963, together with 
a Statement of Annuities, Annual Allowances, Cash Termination Allowances, 
and Return of Contributions for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 26 of the Canadian Forces Superannuation Act, chapter 21, Statutes of 
Canada, 1959. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budget 
of the Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Corporation for the year ending 
March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963- 
803, dated May 27, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Civil Service Commission of Canada for the year ended December 31, 1962, 
pursuant to the Civil Service Acts, section 4(4), chapter 48, R.S.C., 1952, and 
section 76(1) chapter 57, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report to Parliament of the Civil Service Commission 
on Exclusions from the Civil Service Act and Appointments made under Section 
25 of the Act, January 1 to December 31, 1962, pursuant to the Civil Service 
Acts, section 60(2), chapter 48, R.S.C., 1952, and section 76(2), chapter 57, 
Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 



At 6.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 13 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 3rd JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House introduced 
Bill C-68, An Act to amend the Combines Investigation Act (Floor Penalties, 
Criminal Joint Tortfeasors, and Moieties), which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do 
go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to bring in a measure to authorize the Canadian 
National Railway Company to make capital expenditures and to supply the 
financial requirements of Trans-Canada Air Lines and other affiliated com- 
panies (i) in the year 1962, not exceeding $156,500,000 and (ii) in the year 
1963, not exceeding $157,000,000, and to make certain capital expenditures and 
enter into certain contracts prior to July 1, 1964; to provide for the financial 
requirements of Trans-Canada Air Lines in an amount not exceeding 
$31,800,000, either by means of loans from Her Majesty to the National Com- 
pany or by means of issues of securities of the National Company, authorized 
and guaranteed as to interest and principal by Her Majesty, the cash proceeds 
by either method to be used only for the financial requirements of Trans- 
Canada Air Lines, the capital needs of the National Company itself being met 
entirely through the sale of preferred stock to Her Majesty and from reserves 
for depreciation and debt discount; to authorize Her Majesty to continue to 
purchase until December 31, 1964, Canadian National Railway Company 4% 
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62 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

of the Company; to extend until December 31, 1964, the moratorium on interest 
on the loan of $100,000,000 to the Company authorized by the Canadian 
National Railways Capital Revision Act of 1952; to authorize Her Majesty to 
make loans to the Canadian National Railway Company and Trans-Canada 
Air Lines to meet deficiencies in operating revenues to June 30, 1964, any 
such loans to be repaid from revenues of the Railway Company and Trans- 
Canada Air Lines or, if revenues prove insufficient, by subsequent deficit appro- 
priation by Parliament; and to raise the limit on the Canadian National Rail- 
way Company's authority to refund matured, maturing and callable securities 
from the present level of $230,000,000 to $480,000,000. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its 
next sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That a select committee be appointed to consider with Mr. Speaker the 
procedures and organization of this House, for the purpose of suggesting any 
changes that would assure the more expeditious dispatch of public business and 
would strengthen Parliament and make it more effective; that the committee 
have power to send for persons and papers; that it report from time to time its 
findings and recommendations to the House; and that it consist, in addition to 
Mr. Speaker, of 14 members to be designated at a later date. — The Secretary 
of State. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following five Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 3 — Mr. Knowles 

1. Are any Cabinet Ministers directors of any companies, corporations, 
etc., and, if so, what Ministers, of what companies or corporations are they 
directors, and at what date were any directorships presently held by such 
Cabinet Ministers assumed? 

2. Did any Cabinet Ministers resign any directorships on being sworn of 
the Privy Council and, if so, which Ministers, on what dates, and from what 
companies or corporations? 



No. 12 — Mr. Fisher 

1. From the 1st day of May, 1960, to the 30th day of April, 1963, were any 
lands or buildings acquired by the National Capital Commission in (a) the City 
of Ottawa (b) the County of Carleton (c) the County of Russell (d) the City of 
Hull (e) the County of Hull (/) the County of Gatineau? 

2. If so, (a) from whom (b) on what date (c) what is the legal description 
and total acreage of the property in each case (d) what was the total price paid 
to the vendor or any other persons in respect to the acquisition of each such 
property (e) for what purpose, either present or future, was each such property 
acquired, and to what use is each presently being put? 



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3. At the present time, has the National Capital Commission any agree- 
ments of sale or options for the acquisition of other property, or has it com- 
menced expropriation proceedings for the acquisition of other property in any 
of the aforesaid cities or counties? 

4. If so, (a) what is the legal description and total acreage of each such 
property (b) from whom is each such property to be acquired (c) what is the 
total price payable to the vendor or any other person under any such agree- 
ment of sale or option in respect of the acquisition of each such property (d) 
what is the total price which has been offered to the owner of any 
such property in respect of which expropriation proceedings may have 
been commenced (e) for what purpose, either present or future, is each such 
property to be acquired, and to what use will such property be put? 

No. 27— Mr. Caouette 

1. What amounts have been spent during the last five years to assist (a) 
universities of Canada (b) universities of the Province of Quebec? 

2. What amounts have been granted to each of these universities? 

Mr. Pepin, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade and Commerce, 
presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 155 — Mr. Olson 
What were the total sales of wheat for each of the years from 1952 to 1962 
to Canada's 15 largest customers (countries)? 

Mr. Pepin, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade and Com- 
merce, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 158 — Mr. Langlois 

1. What is the balance of payments due by Canada to foreign countries? 

2. What is the balance of payments due by foreign countries to Canada? 

Mr. Pepin, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade and Com- 
merce, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Fane, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give consideration to the advisability of enlarg- 
ing the definition of a disabled person in the Disabled Persons Act, and the 
regulations pursuant thereto, to take into consideration such factors as the 
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physical condition, the mental condition and the age of the applicant, and other 
factors which create a condition of permanent unemployability. — (Notice of 
Motion No. 1). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The Committee of Supply resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $1,430,259,968.45, being the aggre- 
gate of — 

(a) four- twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in 
the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before the 
House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $1,282,100,552.00; 

(b) an additional five-twelfths of the amount of Loans, Investments and 
Advances Item L20, $416,666.67; 

(c) an additional four-twelfths of the amounts of Fisheries Item 45, 
Northern Affairs and National Resources Item 10, Public Works Item 190 of the 
said Estimates, $737,333.34; 

(d) an additional three- twelfths of the amounts of Atomic Energy Item 5, 
Mines and Technical Surveys Item 45, Northern Affairs and National Resources 
Item 5 of the said Estimates, $307,025.00; 

(e) an additional two- twelfths of the amounts of Agriculture Item 100, 
External Affairs Item 78, Mines and Technical Surveys Item 80, Public Works 
Items 20, 135 and 195 of the said Estimates, $2,376,416.67; 

(/) an additional one- twelfth of the amounts of External Affairs Items 
60 and 65, Fisheries Items 30 and 85, Forestry Items 15, 25 and 35, Legislation 
Items 40 and 45, Mines and Technical Surveys Items 30, 35, 40, 50, 70, 
100, 105, 125 and 130, National Research Council Item 1, National Revenue 
Item 25, Public Works Items 125 and 185, Trade and Commerce Items 15, 20 
and 28, Transport Item 222, of the said Estimates, $11,626,316.77; 

(g) four- twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in 
the Supplementary Estimates (A), for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, 
laid before the House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, 
$110,163,277.67; 

(h) an additional seven- twelfths of the amounts of External Affairs Item 
96a Loans, Investments and Advances Item L63a, $15,665,416.67; 

(i) an additional five-twelfths of the amounts of Northern Affairs and 
National Resources Item 110a, Loans, Investments and Advances Item L13a, 
$5,841,005.42; 

(j) an additional one-twelfth of the amounts of Fisheries Item 30a, Public 
Works Items 20a and 135a, Transport Item 222a, $1,025,958.34; 

be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending March 31st, 
1964; 

Provided the amounts hereby authorized to be paid and applied in 
respect to these items shall be deemed to include and not be in addition to 



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the amounts authorized for such items by the special Warrants issued by the 
Governor General pursuant to orders of the Governor in Council of April 1, 
1963 (P.C. 1963-546) and of May 2, 1963 (P.C. 1963-702). 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Com- 
mittee of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

The House resolved itself into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
March 31, 1964, the sum of $1,430,259,968.45 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the Resolution concurred in this 
day in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-69, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for 
the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964, which 
was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

First Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on May 31 meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Confederation Life Association, and in French, Association d'assurance sur 
la vie dite de la Confederation, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
changing its name in French to "La Confederation, Compagnie d'Assurance- 
Vie".— Mr. Wahn. 

Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust Company, and in French, Com- 
pagnie de Fiducie Canada Permanent Toronto General, for An Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Canada Permanent Trust Com- 
pany", and in French, "La Canada Permanent, Compagnie de Fiducie". — Mr. 
Wahn. 

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66 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The Ukrainian National Federation of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation enabling it to establish branches, boards, committees or 
other bodies as corporate entities, with power to manage its various undertak- 
ings. — Mr. Mandziuk. 

Wasyl Kushnir and eighteen others, all of the City of Winnipeg, Manitoba, 
for an Act to incorporate "Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras Shev- 
chenko". — Mr. Mandziuk. 

John Cameron Turnbull, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, and two others, 
for an Act to incorporate "The Pharmacy Examining Board of Canada". — 
Mr. Mitchell. 

The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Canada for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation changing its name to "Eastern Canada Synod of the Lutheran 
Church in America", and for other purposes. — Mr. Winkler. 

Chartered Trust Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
increasing its capital stock from two million five hundred thousand dollars to 
ten million dollars. — Mr. Wahn. 

The Canada Board of American Missions of the United Lutheran Church in 
America for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation changing its name to 
"The Canada Board of American Missions of the Lutheran Church in America", 
and for other purposes. — Mr. Winkler. 

Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec for an Act to merge and 
amalgamate certain existing incorporated Boards for the purpose of continuing 
as one corporate entity under the name of "Baptist Convention of Ontario and 
Quebec". — Mr. Wahn. 



At 10.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 4th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Chevrier, — That a Special Committee be appointed to con- 
sider matters relating to defence and to report from time to time its observa- 
tions and opinions thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, 
papers and records and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn 
from place to place; that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to 
the Committee; and that the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated 
by the House at a later date. 

And debate continuing; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)}. 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-3, An Act to amend 
the Representation Act; 

Mr. Belanger, seconded by Mr. Frenette, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Chevrier, — That a Special Committee be appointed to consider matters 
relating to defence and to report from time to time its observations and 



68 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

opinions thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers 
and records and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from 
place to place; that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the Com- 
mittee; and that the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated by the 
House at a later date. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-843, dated May 30, 1963, authorizing under section 21a of the Export 
Credits Insurance Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits Insurance 
Corporation for the sale of pulp mill equipment from various Canadian sup- 
pliers and related project engineering services from H. A. Simons (Interna- 
tional) Ltd., Vancouver, B.C., to Compania Manufacturera de Papeles y Car- 
tones S.A., Santiago, Chile, pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, Chapter 105, 
R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — First Report, pursuant to 
Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Confederation Life Association, and in French, Association d'assurance sur 
la vie dite de la Confederation, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
changing its name in French to "La Confederation, Compagnie d'Assurance- 
Vie". 

Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust Company, and in French, Com- 
pagnie de Fiducie Canada Permanent Toronto General, for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Canada Permanent Trust Com- 
pany", and in French, "La Canada Permanent, Compagnie de Fiducie". 

The Ukrainian National Federation of Canada for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation enabling it to establish branches, boards, committees or other 
bodies as corporate entities, with power to manage its various undertakings. 

Wasyl Kushnir and eighteen others, all of the City of Winnipeg, Manitoba, 
for an Act to incorporate "Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras Shev- 
chenko'\ 

John Cameron Turnbull, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, and two others, 
for an Act to incorporate "The Pharmacy Examining Board of Canada". 

The Canada Board of American Missions of the United Lutheran Church 
in America for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation changing its name to 
"The Canada Board of American Missions of the Lutheran Church in America", 
and for other purposes. 

Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec for an Act to merge and amal- 
gamate certain existing incorporated Boards for the purpose of continuing as 
one corporate entity under the name of "Baptist Convention of Ontario and 
Quebec". 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 4th JUNE 69 

At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 5th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

5th June, 1963. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 5th June, at 5.45 p.m., 
for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 59 — Mr. Fisher 
1. Has the Dept. of Mines and Technical Surveys given any consideration 
to or made any studies of the problems of the prospector; in this case 



72 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

'prospector' meaning those individuals, not corporations, who scour the nation 
looking for claims to make on mineral prospects and, if so, what is the gist of 
the conclusions? 

2. If not, is the new minister giving any consideration to legislative acts 
that would improve the position of the prospector and increase the search 
for minerals? 

3. Has the department ever considered the possibility of grub-staking 
prospectors in Canada, with or without co-operation of the provincial au- 
thorities? 

4. Does the department know of any provincial authority which grub- 
stakes prospectors and, if so, which ones and in what ways? 

5. Does the department share in the costs of any such provincial 
programme? 

Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 229— Mr. Scott 

1. Does the government conduct studies analyzing whole milk for iodine 
131 levels and, if so, how many locations are involved in such studies, and 
where are they located? 

2. How frequently are such studies conducted? 

3. What were the levels shown of iodine 131 in whole milk for each loca- 
tion in the year 1962? 

Mr. Haidasz, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Health 
and Welfare, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 253— Mr. Francis 

1. Who are the members of the National Capital Commission? 

2. When were they appointed, and when do their terms of office expire? 

3. How much was paid, during each of the fiscal years ending March 31, 
1963, 1962 and 1961, to each member of the National Capital Commission as 
(a) remuneration (b) travel expenses (c) other expenses? 



On motion of Mr. Winch, seconded by Mr. Herridge, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House copies of the findings as to the cause of riots 
in penitentiaries during 1962 and 1963; and instructions issued and policy 
decisions officially authorized to correct the situation in order to prevent possible 
recurrence. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 1). 



On motion of Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of the recommendation of the Inter- 
national North Pacific Fisheries Commission in respect to the removal of the 
provision in the Annex to the Convention for abstention by Japan from fishing 
by the Japanese for halibut in the Eastern Bering Sea and herring in the offshore 
waters west of the Queen Charlotte Islands; and a copy of the notification by 
the Government of Canada to the Commission of acceptance of these recom- 
mendations; together with a copy of all correspondence exchanged between 
the Government and the Commission and, further a copy of all correspondence 



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exchanged between the government and other individuals or organizations in 
respect to these recommendations. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 2). 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Douglas, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before this 
House a copy of any documents, communications, correspondence or other 
papers, dated since June 10, 1957, containing any commitments by the Govern- 
ment of Canada to accept or acquire nuclear weapons for Canadian forces. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 4). 

And the question being put, the said motion, subject to the reservations 
expressed by the Honourable the Secretary of State for External Affairs, was 
agreed to on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Davis, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Mullally, 


Armstrong, 


Deachman, 


South), 


Munro, 


Asselin (Notre-Dame-Denis, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Nicholson, 


de-Grace), 


Deschatelets, 


Kelly, 


Nixon, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Dionne, 


Klein, 


O'Keefe, 


Wolfe), 


Douglas, 


Knowles, 


Olson, 


Badanai, 


Drouin, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Otto, 


Barnett, 


Dube, 


Lachance, 


Ouellet, 


Basford, 


Dupuis, 


Laing, 


Patterson, 


Batten, 


Emard, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pearson, 


Beaule, 


Favreau, 


Lamontagne, 


Pepin, 


Bechard, 


Fisher, 


Lamoureux, 


Perron, 


Beer, 


Forest, 


Langlois, 


Pickersgill, 


Belanger, 


Forgie, 


Laniel, 


Pilon, 


Benidickson, 


Francis, 


Laprise, 


Plourde, 


Benson, 


Frenette, 


Laverdiere, 


Prittie, 


Berger, 


Garland, 


Leboe, 


Regan, 


Boulanger, 


Gauthier, 


Leduc, 


Rinfret, 


Boutin, 


Gelber, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Rochon, 


Brewin, 


Gendron, 


Jean), 


Rondeau, 


Brown, 


Girouard, 


Loiselle, 


Rouleau, 


Byrne, 


Godin, 


Macaluso, 


Roxburgh, 


Cadieux, 


Granger, 


Macdonald, 


Ryan, 


Cameron (High Park), Gray, 


MacEachen, 


Sauve, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Greene, 


MacNaught, 


Scott, 


Cowichan-The 


Gregoire, 


Mcllraith, 


Sharp, 


Islands), 


Groos, 


McMillan, 


Stewart, 


Cantin, 


Guay, 


McNulty, 


Tardif, 


Cardin, 


Habel, 


McWilliam, 


Temple, 


Caron, 


Haidasz, 


Marcoux, 


Thompson, 


Carter, 


Hahn, 


Martin (Essex East), Tremblay, 


Chapdelaine, 


Harley, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Turner, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Hellyer, 


Mather, 


Wahn, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Herridge, 


Matte, 


Walker, 


Cowan, 


Honey, 


Moreau, 


Webster, 


Crossman, 


Howard, 


Morison, 


Whelan, 


Cyr, 






Winch— 140 



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Nays 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 

Baldwin, 

Bell, 

Bigg, 

Cardiff, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chatterton, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 



Flemming (Victoria- 
Carleton), 

Grafftey, 

Gundlock, 

Hamilton, 

Horner (The 
Battlefords), 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 

Irvine, 

Kindt, 

Korchinski, 

Lamb, 

Lambert, 

Loney, 

MacEwan, 

MacLean (Queens), 



Macquarrie, 

McBain, 

Mcintosh, 

Madill, 

Mandziuk, 

Martineau, 

Monteith, 

More, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nielsen, 
Noble, 
Nugent, 



Pascoe, 

Pigeon, 

Rapp, 

Rheaume, 

Ricard, 

Rynard, 

Simpson, 

Smith, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Thomas, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Willoughby, 

Winkler— 64. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 5, 6, 7, and 12) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other 
documents exchanged between the government or any agency or department 
thereof and any provincial government, person or organization since January 1, 
1961, relating to the establishment of a Veterinary College in the Prairie 
Provinces. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 9). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all letters and other communications 
received by the Prime Minister, dated since April 22, 1963, concerning the need 
for an increase in the pensions of former employees of the Canadian National 
Railways, retired prior to April 1, 1962, and the replies thereto. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 10). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-69, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded 
by Mr. Chevrier, — That a Special Committee be appointed to consider matters 
relating to defence and to report from time to time its observations and opinions 
thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records 
and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from place to place; 
that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the Committee; and that 
the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated by the House at a later 
date. 



And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3)]. 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should consider the advisability of amending the pro- 
visions of the National Housing Act so that the mortgage provisions of the said 
Act be extended to the purchase and sale of homes and dwellings that have 
already been completed and occupied. — (Notice of Motion No. 2). 

And debate arising thereon; 



A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 
And being returned; 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable the 
Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy of His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the 
Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and 
assents to this bill." 



At 6.12 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 6th JUNE, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copies of letters exchanged between the Secretary of State and the 
Deputy Minister of Justice with respect to the validity of By-law No. 3 of the 
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, sec- 
onded by Mr. Chevrier, — That a Special Committee be appointed to consider 
matters relating to defence and to report from time to time its observations and 
opinions thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers 
and records and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from 
place to place; that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the 
Committee; and that the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated by 
the House at a later date. 



And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-5, An Act to amend 
the Bankruptcy Act (Primary Products under Processing) ; 

Mr. Whelan, seconded by Mr. Turner, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 



78 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Chevrier, — That a Special Committee be appointed to consider matters 
relating to defence and to report from time to time its observations and opinions 
thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and 
records and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from 
place to place; that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the 
Committee; and that the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated by 
the House at a later date. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of May, 1963. 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return of Per- 
mits issued under the authority of section 8 of the Immigration Act for the 
calendar year 1962, pursuant to section 8(5) of the said Act, chapter 325, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put, 
until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 7th June, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: At the opening of yesterday's sitting the honourable Member 
for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin) raised a question of privilege based upon the 
report of Wednesday's proceedings recorded at page 73 of Votes and Proceedings 
with regard to the motion for the production of papers in the name of the 
honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles). Honourable 
members will recall that I reserved my decision at that time. 

As was suggested by the Minister of Labour (Mr. MacEachen) and by the 
honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre during the discussion which 
followed, it would seem there are two points involved in the question raised by 
the honourable Member for Peace River. In the first instance there is a point 
of order in regard to the regularity of the proceedings on Wednesday last, and 
in the second place an alleged question of privilege. 

Allow me to deal first with the reference made to the purported irregularity 
in procedure in the case under review. Paragraph (1), citation 70, of Beau- 
chesne's fourth edition, reads in part as follows: "Points of order are questions 
raised with the view of calling attention to any departure from the Standing 
Orders or the customary modes of proceeding in debate or in the conduct of 
legislative business, ..." 

Paragraph 4 of the same citation reads as follows: "A point of order against 
procedure must be raised promptly and before the question has passed to a 
stage at which the objection would be out of place." 

It is my view that it would be inappropriate for me to discuss at this time 
the regularity or otherwise of the procedure followed in this case last Wednesday 
since, as was stated by the honourable member for Winnipeg North Centre, 
"What happened yesterday, happened; we cannot turn the clock back.". 



80 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Perhaps I might make a further comment with regard to this point before 
leaving it. Standing Order 35 reads in part as follows: "No member may reflect 
upon any vote of the house, except for the purpose of moving that such vote 
be rescinded." 

Now, a vote was taken and duly recorded in Votes and Proceedings of Wed- 
nesday last on this question. It seems to me that the last part of the discussion 
which took place yesterday was in contravention of the provisions of this Stand- 
ing Order 35. 

We come now to the second point which the honourable Member for Peace 
River designated as a question of privilege based upon the report of Wednesday's 
proceedings as recorded at page 73 of Votes and Proceedings for Wednesday last. 
The honourable gentleman referred to a ruling or a statement by one of my very 
worthy predecessors in 1961 concerning the practice of this House in regard to 
the acceptance of motions for papers under certain reservations. The honourable 
Member referred also to a motion which had been proposed on Wednesday last 
by the honourable Member for Burnaby-Coquitlam (Mr. Douglas) and which 
was accepted by the Minister Without Portfolio (Mr. Tremblay) subject to 
certain reservations, but which was recorded in Votes and Proceedings as adopted 
by the House without conditions or reservations attached thereto. 

The honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre also drew attention 
to three other motions which also were adopted on Wednesday last under certain 
reservations, but which also were not so recorded in Votes and Proceedings for 
that day. There is, I suggest, a notable distinction to be made between the ques- 
tion under review and the other precedents referred to. 

1. In the four cases referred to, the Member proposing the motion accepted 
the reservation expressed in each case by a Minister. 

2. I think this is the significant point, that the House concurred in the ar- 
rangement or agreement without dissenting voice. 

3. In effect one must presume that arrangements were made, by unanimous 
consent, in all four cases. 

4. In these procedures there was no division of opinion in the House and, 
consequently, no division of opinion should or could have been recorded in Votes 
and Proceedings. 

Let us now return to the proceedings under review, and I must say at this 
stage that so far as I have been able to determine in the time at my disposal, 
we had an unprecedented procedure on Wednesday. In this case we had a division 
of opinion. The procedure was challenged and put to a vote. May I briefly review 
the procedure followed on that occasion. 

1. When the motion standing in the name of the honourable Member for 
Winnipeg North Centre was called, the Secretary of State for External Affairs 
(Mr. Martin) intervened and expressed the government's reservations with 
regard to the production of certain papers. 

2. After a number of interventions by several honourable members, the 
proposer of the motion, the honourable gentleman from Winnipeg North Centre, 
concluded as reported at page 689 of Hansard by saying: 

"I understood that the Minister was prepared to let the motion pass subject 
to his reservation. Those are the words the Minister used, and I am prepared to 
accept the reservations he has now made. Obviously, if the return that is brought 
down is not satisfactory, I can ask further questions, but it seems to me that as 
the mover of the motion I have the right to suggest that I am prepared to accept 
the passing of it subject to the reservations the Minister has now made." 

3. Thereupon the Chair put the motion in the following words: "Is it the 
pleasure of the House to adopt the said motion subject to the reservations or 
remarks of the Minister?" 



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Hansard reports what immediately followed, as follows: 
"Some hon. Members: No. 

"Mr. Diefenbaker: Not expurgated editions. Produce the record and that 
is fine. 

"Mr. Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will please say 'Yea\ 

"Some hon. Members: Yea. 

"Mr. Speaker: All those opposed will please say 'Nay'. 

"Some hon. Members: Nay. 

"Mr. Speaker: In my opinion the 'Yeas' have it." 

And more than five Members having risen, a vote was taken. 

4. After honourable Members were called in, Hansard records the procedure 
as follows: 

"Mr. Speaker: Order. The question is as follows: Mr. Knowles, seconded 
by Mr. Douglas, moves, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency praying that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of any 
documents, communications, correspondence or other papers, dated since June 
10, 1957, containing any commitments by the Government of Canada to accept 
or acquire nuclear weapons for Canadian forces. 

— subject to the reservations of the Secretary of State for External Affairs. 
Those in favour of the motion, please rise. 

"Mr. Diefenbaker: Mr. Speaker, if I might rise, I suggest that the reserva- 
tions be included in the motion. It is very important those reservations be there 
because we are asking for the complete record not the expurgated record. 

"Mr. Speaker: The suggestion of the Leader of the Opposition is interesting, 
but I do think the record speaks for itself and I think the minister should take 
his own responsibilities and not the Speaker. Therefore unless there is serious 
objection I propose to put the motion as I have read it. Those in favour of the 
motion will please rise." 

To decide whether there is before the House a bona fide point of privilege, 
and this is the only question which is before me at this time, we must ask our- 
selves if the entry in Votes and Proceedings reflects the proceeding which took 
place in the House at that time. The entry at page 73 of Votes and Proceedings 
for Wednesday, June 5, 1963 reads in part as follows: 

"And the question being put, the said motion, subject to the reservations 
expressed by the Honourable the Secretary of State for External Affairs, was 
agreed to on the following division:" 

I submit after a careful scrutiny of the record, as reported in Hansard, it is 
my humble opinion that the entry in Votes and Proceedings accurately reflects 
the procedure on the motion proposed by the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
North Centre. That being so, I am regretfully unable to accept the submission 
of the honourable Member for Peace River as a bona fide question of privilege. 

In terminating my remarks, may I offer a suggestion to honourable Mem- 
bers of this House. As several honourable Members pointed out during yester- 
day's discussion, it has been a practice for some years past not to record in Votes 
and Proceedings any reservations expressed by Ministers in regard to such 
motions. However, in the light of the altered circumstances that developed on 
Wednesday and again yesterday, the House may now be of the opinion that 
reservations by Ministers should be recorded in Votes and Proceedings in every 
case. It may be that the proposed Committee on Procedure would like to review 
the question and recommend a course of procedure for the consideration of the 
House. 



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Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Copy of a letter, dated June 7, 1963, addressed by the Japanese Ambassador to 
the Minister of Finance, concerning voluntary controls on the export of certain 
products to Canada for the 1963 calendar year as set forth in the Annex 
attached thereto. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said document be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



Mr. Southam, seconded by Mr. More, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Abandonment Moratorium), which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-71, An Act respecting Indians, which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded 
by Mr. Chevrier, — That a Special Committee be appointed to consider matters 
relating to defence and to report from time to time its observations and opinions 
thereon; that the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records 
and to examine witnesses; that it be empowered to adjourn from place to place; 
that Standing Order No. 67 be suspended in relation to the Committee; and that 
the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated by the House at a later 
date. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-7, An Act to incorporate The Pharmacy Examining Board of Canada. 
— Mr. Mitchell. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of an Economic Council of 
Canada. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the 
establishment of an Economic Council of Canada and to define the duties thereof, 
to provide for the appointment of the chairman, directors and other members of 
the Council and for the payment of the remuneration of the chairman and 
directors and of certain other expenses of administration of the Council, to 



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provide further that the Council may engage the services of such advisers and 
staff as may be necessary to enable it to carry out its duties and to provide 
further for other related and incidental matters. 
Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Drury, by leave of the House, presented Bill 
C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Department of Industry 
and of an Area Development Agency, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-6, An Act to provide 
for the Control of Consumer Credit; 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



At 6.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Three petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 337— Mr. Richard 

1. Has the Crown, through the National Capital Commission or otherwise, 
acquired property on the East side of Sussex Street in the City of Ottawa, for 
the purpose of implementing the so-called "Mile of Living History" in con- 
nection with the Centennial Celebration of Confederation in 1967, and, if so, 
(a) have expropriation proceedings been taken to acquire the real estate in 
that area (b) how many properties have already been acquired, and what has 
been the cost of such acquisitions (c) how many properties remain to be 
acquired, and what is the estimated cost (d) is it the intention of the govern- 
ment to proceed with the plan and to restore the properties so acquired to 
their original appearance and use? 

2. What are the immediate plans of the government for the demolition of 
the properties owned by the Crown on the North side of Sussex, particularly, 
the Daly Building, the temporary buildings of the National Revenue Depart- 
ment and the block facing Notre Dame Basilica? 

No. 338 — Mr. Richard 
Has the Crown, through the National Capital Commission, acquired real 
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Street and the Rideau River and, if so, (a) what is the official description of 
the area (b) was the acquisition done through expropriation (c) what is the 
total estimated cost of the acquisition of the said land and property (d) how 
many settlements have been made to date, and what is the total amount of 
consideration paid therefor (e) will any of the present occupants of the proper- 
ties in the said area be allowed to remain thereon and, if so, for what period 
of time (/) how much of the parcel in the Boteler-Sussex area so acquired 
is to be reserved for approaches to the Macdonald-Cartier Bridge (g) is part 
of the said area being reserved for the use of the Public Works Department 
for the erection of government buildings and, if so, how many buildings will 
be erected thereon, and has the selection been made? 

No. 339— Mr. Richard 

1. Does the Crown or any of its agencies own property lying on King 
Edward Avenue between Boteler and Rideau Streets in the City of Ottawa? 

2. Has the National Capital Commission or its predecessor the Federal 
District Commission, made any arrangement in the past with the Corporation 
of the City of Ottawa to maintain any part of King Edward Avenue? 

3. Have any plans been made by the National Capital Commission to con- 
tribute to the restoration and improvement of the Drive on King Edward 
Avenue from the Minto Bridges to Rideau Street? 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Nicholson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, laid before the House, — Written reply to the following Question asked 
by the Honourable Member for Vancouver East (Mr. Winch) on Orders of the 
Day being called on Friday, June 7, (Hansard page 777): 

"Can the Minister advise the House as to any special consideration now 
being given for aid to the provinces or the forest industry in the protection of 
the forest resources of Canada in general, and of B.C. in particular, against the 
hazards of fire and pests?" 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Department of Industry 
and of an Area Development Agency; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Fairweather, seconded by Mr. Loney, moved, — That, in the opinion 
of this House, the government should give consideration to the desirability of 
supporting financially the Canadian University Service Overseas which helps 
young Canadians to go abroad to share their skills, training and humanity in 
those countries where such help is needed. — (Notice of Motion No. 3). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



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The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Department of Industry 
and of an Area Development Agency, and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Drury, it was ordered, — 
That the Special Committee on Defence appointed June 7, 1963, be composed of 
Messrs. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), Baldwin, Bechard, Brewin, Churchill, 
Deachman, Fairweather, Granger, Groos, Hahn, Lambert, Laniel, Lessard (Lac- 
Saint- Jean), Lloyd, Maclnnis, MacLean, Martineau, Matheson, McMillan, Pat- 
terson, Sauve, Smith, Temple and Winch. 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 11TH JUNE, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Budget Papers (English 
and French) tabled this day by the Minister of Finance (Mr. Gordon) be 
printed as an appendix to this day's Votes and Proceedings and also as an 
appendix to Hansard of Thursday, June 13, 1963. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole on a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Municipal Develop- 
ment and Loan Board; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-7, An Act 
to incorporate The Pharmacy Examining Board of Canada; 

Mr. Mitchell, seconded by Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to 
the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



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(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-7, An Act to 
amend the Pension Act (Judicial Appeal); 

Mr. Mcintosh, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now- 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Denis, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the said bill be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter 
thereof be referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs for 
consideration. 

And the question being put on the said amendment, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read the second time, but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Municipal Development 
and Loan Board, and further progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Mines 
and Technical Surveys for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 10 of the Department of Mines and Technical Surveys Act, chapter 73, 
R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, Budget Papers 
1963-64; Part I — General Economic Review of 1962; Part II — Preliminary 
Review of Government Accounts 1962-63. (English and French). 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report of the Department of External Affairs for the year ended December 
31, 1962, pursuant to section 6 of the Department of External Affairs Act, 
chapter 68, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

Second Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on June 10 meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Quebec Fire Assurance Company, and in French, Compagnie d'assurance de 
Quebec contre les accidents du feu, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorpora- 



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tion changing its name to "Quebec Assurance Company", and in French, 
"Compagnie d'assurance du Quebec", and for other purposes. — Mr. Forest. 

The Great-West Life Assurance Company for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The Great- West Life Assurance Company" and/or 
"La Great- West, compagnie d'assurance-vie". — Mrs. Konantz. 

General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "General Mortgage Service Corporation of 
Canada" and/or "Compagnie Generale Mortgage Service du Canada", and for 
other purposes. — Mr. Wahn. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Second Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Quebec Fire Assurance Company, and in French, Compagnie d'assurance 
de Quebec contre les accidents du feu, for an Act to amend its Act of In- 
corporation changing its name to "Quebec Assurance Company", and in 
French, "Compagnie d'assurance du Quebec", and for other purposes. 

The Great- West Life Assurance Company for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The Great-West Life Assurance Company" and/or 
'La Great-West, compagnie d'assurance-vie". 

Chartered Trust Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
increasing its capital stock from two million five hundred thousand dollars 
to ten million dollars. 

General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada" 
and/or "Compagnie Generale Mortgage Service du Canada", and for other 
purposes. 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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Prayers. 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 12th JUNE, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Six petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Gray, seconded by Mr. Whelan, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-73, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Raffles and Bingo for Charitable 
Purposes), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following four Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 71 — Mr. Coates 

1. What was the total value of contracts awarded to the Enamel and 
Heating Products Limited for the fiscal year 1962-63? 

2. What is the estimated value of contracts awarded to the Enamel and 
Heating Products Limited for the fiscal year 1963-64? 

Mr. Dupuis, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 199 — Mr. Howard 
For each fiscal year since 1957, how much money has been spent by (a) 
the Indian Affairs Branch (b) the Indian and Northern Health Services Branch 
(c) the Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources for (i) admin- 
istration of Indian Affairs matters and (ii) payments to Indians by classifica- 
tion? 

Mr. Dupuis, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



94 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

No. 226— Mr. Scott 

1. To what extent does the government conduct tests upon food samples, 
plants, soils, crops, fish, game and livestock to determine the level and extent 
of radioactive fallout? 

2. How many such samples are taken, and what crops, foods, livestock, 
soils, fish, and game are included in such samples? 

3. What are the areas in Canada from which such samples are taken? 

4. What is the frequency with which such samples are taken? 

5. Where are tests on such samples performed, and by whom are they per- 
formed? 

6. How many people are engaged in performing such tests? 

Mr. Dupuis, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 304— Mr. Fisher 

1. What steps, in detail, does the federal Department of Labour follow in 
preparing the fair wage schedules attached to the tendering and contract docu- 
ments for government contracts? 

2. In what ways does the federal Department of Labour try to ensure 
that the prevailing labour rates, hours of work, and other conditions of labour 
that are in effect for the type of work specified in the locality concerned, are 
actually up-to-date? 

3. Has the federal Department of Labour received complaints from either 
contractors or trade unions or any other organizations in the past eighteen 
months about this particular problem, outlined in question 2, and, if so, what 
are the organizations, and on what date did they make their representations? 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 5, 7, 12, 14, and 16) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Mather, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and 
other documents exchanged between the federal government or any agency 
or branch thereof and any other government, person or organization since 
January 1, 1959, relating t6 the proposal by the Government of Manitoba or 
the Manitoba Hydro-Electric Board to move the Indians from their present 
reserves at Cedar Land and Moose Lake to make way for the Grand Rapids 
Power Development. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 6). 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Martineau, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and 
other documents exchanged between the government or any of its agencies 
or departments and any municipal government, individual or organization 
since January 1, 1960, in respect of any proposal to purchase the post office 
building and the customs building in the city of St. Hyacinthe. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 13). 



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On motion of Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. Bell, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all letters and other communications 
received by the Prime Minister since April 22, 1963, from the Canadian Corps 
Association on the subject of the Canadian Flag, and all replies by the Prime 
Minister or by members of his staff to such communications. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 17). 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Department of Industry 
and of an Area Development Agency, and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Simpson, seconded by Mr. Fane, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give immediate consideration to the advisability 
of establishing an equalization of freight rates in Canada in order to provide 
a more equitable cost of various goods and services in all parts of the nation. — 
(Notice of Motion No. 6). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that tomorrow's sitting of the House 
shall not be adjourned before the Member, who will speak first on behalf of 
the Opposition in the Budget Debate, has concluded his preliminary remarks. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Final Report of the Royal Commission 
on Government Organization, Volume 5, The Organization of the Government 
of Canada (J. Grant Glassco, Chairman), dated February 28, 1963. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Chevrier, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated June 5, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for copies 
of the findings as to the cause of riots in penitentiaries during 1962 and 1963; 
and instructions issued and policy decisions officially authorized to correct the 
situation in order to prevent possible recurrence. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 1). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-873, dated June 6, 1963, authorizing, under section 21a of the Exports 
Credits Insurance Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits Insurance 
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Corporation for the sale by Pelletier Engineering (International) Limited, 
Montreal, Quebec, of engineering services and capital equipment to the East 
Pakistan Water and Power Development Authority, pursuant to section 21b 
of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 13th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Department of Industry 
and of an Area Development Agency, and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-8, An Act to amend 
the National Harbours Board Act (Tisdale Grain Terminal); 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: Before putting the motion for second reading of this bill, I 
desire to recall the statement I made at the beginning of the session when I 
issued a caveat respecting Public Bills introduced by Private Members. I said 
at that time that it was difficult if not impossible for the Chair to review the 
provisions of these bills to ensure that they conform to the practices and usages 
of this House and that the bills would be introduced with the understanding 
that each would be scrutinized before the time appointed for second readings 
and that any defects therein would be brought to the attention of the House. 

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The present measure, as stated in the explanatory notes, proposes that a 
public grain elevator be constructed at Tisdale, Saskatchewan, as a grain ter- 
minus for the national port facilities at Churchill, Manitoba. 

According to subsection (2) of section 3 of the National Harbours Board 
Act, the board is "for all purposes of this Act, the agent of Her Majesty in right 
of Canada." 

And further, according to subsection (2) of section 10 of the same Act, 
"all property acquired or held by the board is vested in Her Majesty in right 
of Canada." 

The purpose of the bill is either to enlarge the powers of the board or to 
leave them as they are. In both cases, it is out of order. 

I will deal first with the second alternative for, if the bill is useless, as I 
believe it to be, it should not be proceeded with. 

The definition of a bill given at page 297 of May's sixteenth edition is 
as follows: "A bill is a draft of a legislative proposal." 

In my view, according to our practice, a bill, to be acknowledged as such, 
or, rather, as a draft of a legislative proposal, must or may do one or more of 
four things, namely: 

(1) Alter or amend an existing law or laws; 

(2) Repeal, in whole or in part, an existing law or laws; 

(3) Enact a new provision or provisions of law; 

(4) Consolidate, in whole or in part, an existing law or laws. 

Bill C-8 is intituled: "An Act to amend the National Harbours Board Act 
(Tisdale Grain Terminal)", and if it is to be considered as a legislative proposal 
it should alter the law which it purports to amend. 

Does it do so? 

In my opinion, it does not. This bill appears to be merely a statement that 
the National Harbours Board may deem necessary the construction, etc., of a 
public terminal elevator, and it accomplishes nothing whatsoever in a legisla- 
tive way. It seems to me there is little doubt that this matter should be the 
subject of a notice of motion and not of a bill. 

In the explanatory notes accompanying the bill, it is said that "this bill 
proposes that a public grain elevator be constructed at Tisdale, Saskatchewan,", 
etc. In my view, this bill does not propose that a public grain elevator be con- 
structed at Tisdale but it states that the board may deem it necessary to con- 
struct such a grain elevator, and the word "proposes" in the explanatory notes 
cannot, in my opinion, be considered as a legislative proposal. 

Now for the second point. If this bill really proposes to instruct the board 
to construct a grain elevator at Tisdale — which I do not believe it does — it is 
also clearly out of order, as would be a bill ordering the construction of branch 
lines by the Canadian National Railways, a bill instructing the Federal District 
Commission to acquire real estate, or a bill directing expenditures by the 
National Centennial Administration or the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, 
to refer but to a few of agency or Crown corporations. 

In a decision rendered by Mr. Speaker Edgar on March 10 and 11, 1898, 
he stated inter alia: "While it is competent for a private individual, without 
the recommendation of the Crown, to propose an abstract resolution with ref- 
erence to grants of money, I think this is not an abstract but a very concrete 
resolution providing and authorising the government to incur a specific expen- 
diture." 

If this were an authorization to an agent of Her Majesty to construct a 
certain public grain elevator, which, however, as I have stated, I do not believe 
it is, such an expenditure of money would have to be initiated by the govern- 
ment under the constitutional checks required by section 54 of the B.N.A. Act 
and the rules of the House. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 13th JUNE 99 

On May 9, 1933, Mr. Speaker Black ruled that an amendment involving 
an expenditure which would be incurred by the Canadian National Railway, 
was out of order because the railway is owned by the government. 

On March 9 and 13, 1871, Mr. Speaker Cockburn ruled a subamendment 
out of order when it asked the House to commit itself in advance to an expendi- 
ture of money as such a proposition should have originated in committee of the 
House and should have been preceded by a message. 

To summarize, I believe this bill simply refers to powers that the board 
already possesses and to my mind the matter under consideration would be 
more properly the subject of a notice of motion rather than that of a bill. This 
measure enacts a pious wish and it is useless to instruct the board to build 
an elevator as the board already has the right to either build or not to built it. 

I regret that in the circumstances I am of the opinion that there is probably 
justification for ruling this bill out of order. 



And the House having given unanimous consent to proceed with a debate 
on the motion for second reading of the said bill, subject to the bill being with- 
drawn at six o'clock; 



Mr. Rapp, seconded by Mr. Baldwin moved, — That Bill C-8, An Act to 
amend the National Harbours Board Act (Tisdale Grain Terminal), be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, Mr. Rapp, by leave of the House, withdrew the said 
bill pursuant to the agreement entered into. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Order being read for the House to resolve itself into Committee of 
Ways and Means (Budget) ; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair. 

And debate arising thereon, the said debate was, on motion of Mr. Nowlan, 
seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker, adjourned. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of Ordinance, 
Chapter 1, made by the Commissioner in Council of the Northwest Territories, 
assented to May 17, 1963, pursuant to section 15 of the Northwest Territories 
Act, chapter 331, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1953-54, together with a copy of 
Order in Council P.C. 1963-885, dated June 6, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Copy of Financial Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Gov- 
ernment of India concerning the purchase by India of 16 Caribou I aircraft 
and associated spare parts and equipment. Signed at Ottawa, May 14, 1963. In 
force October 14, 1963. (English and French). 



100 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Third Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the fol- 
lowing, presented on June 12 meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Clarence Lewis Reimer and two others, all of the City of Winnipeg, Mani- 
toba, for an Act to incorporate "The Good News Broadcasting Association of 
Canada". — Mr. Enns. 

Stephen Boleslav Roman, of the Township of Markham, Ontario, and five 
others, for an Act to incorporate "Standard Trust Company". — Mr. Wahn. 

John Mark, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, Peter Kolibaiev, of the City of 
Montreal, Quebec, and five others, for an Act to incorporate "The Union of 
Slavic Churches of Evangelical Christians and Baptists of Canada". — Mr. Smith. 

The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Central Canada Synod of the 
Lutheran Church in America", and for other purposes. — Mr. More. 

The National Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The National Life Assurance Company of Canada" 
and/or the name "La Nationale du Canada, compagnie d'assurance-vie". — 
Mr. Richard. 

Sam Foster Ross, of the Town of Dundas, Ontario, and four others, for an 
Act to incorporate "Fidelity Mortgage and Savings Corporation" and in French, 
"Compagnie d'Hypotheque et d'Epargne Fidelite". — Mr. Morison. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 14th JUNE, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Department of Industry 
and of an Area Development Agency. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure (a) to establish a 
Department of Industry to be presided over by a Minister of Industry who 
shall be appointed under the Great Seal of Canada, to authorize the appoint- 
ment of a Deputy Minister by the Governor in Council, and to provide for the 
appointment to the Department on a temporary basis of persons having special 
knowledge of manufacturing industries to assist in the work of the Department; 
(b) to provide for the establishment under the direction of the Minister of an 
Area Development Agency and to provide for the appointment of a Commis- 
sioner and a Deputy Commissioner for Area Development; and (c) to make a 
consequential amendment to the Salaries Act to provide a salary for the Min- 
ister. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, on division. 

Mr. Drury for Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-74, An Act respecting the Department of Industry, 
which was read the first time, on division, and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 



102 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Municipal Development 
and Loan Board, and further progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 
And after some time; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-3, An Act to amend the Export and Import Permits 
Act, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-13, An Act to incorporate Standard Trust Company. — Mr. Wahn. 

Bill S-14, An Act respecting Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust 
Company. — Mr. Wahn. 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting Quebec Fire Assurance Company. — Mr. Forest, 

Bill S-9, An Act respecting Confederation Life Association. — Mr. Wahn. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-9, An Act to amend 
the Small Loans Act (Advertising) ; 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of Operations under the Bretton 
Woods Agreements Act (International Monetary Fund, International Bank for 
Reconstruction and Development, and International Finance Corporation) and 
Report of Operations under the International Development Association Act, for 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 14th JUNE 103 

the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the first-mentioned Act, 
chapter 19, R.S.C., 1952, and section 5 of the latter Act, chapter 32, Statutes of 
Canada, 1960. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
the Government Annuities Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 16 of the said Act, chapter 132, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report to 
Parliament of the Civil Service Commission on Exclusions from the Civil 
Service Act and Appointments made under section 25 of the Act, January 1 to 
April 30, 1963, pursuant to section 76(2) of the said Act, chapter 57, Statutes of 
Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 



At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 23 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 17th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Brewin, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-75, An Act to restrain the use of Tobacco, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-3, An Act to amend the Export and Import Permits Act. — Mr. Sharp. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 261 — Mr. Pigeon 
What is the amount of each government bond issue, and the total of all 
the issues, for each year, from 1914 to date? 

Mr. Benson, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



*No. 342 — Mr. Fisher 
1. How many students, each year, have gone on to RMC from CMR, and 
from Royal Roads? 



106 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

2. How many of these students, from each place, were considered French- 
speaking in origin and English-speaking in origin? 

3. For each year these students were in RMC, what was the record of per- 
formance for CMR and Royal Roads students, of both French and English 
origin, in terms of drop-out, failure, and passing? 

4. How many students have entered CMR and Royal Roads since 1952-53? 

5. How many of these students are (a) still in the service colleges at this 
date and (b) still in the Armed Services as commissioned officers? 

No. 353 — Mr. McBain 

1. What plans is the government making for the immediate use of the 
former RCAF Station at Fingal, Ontario? 

2. Are these plans any different from those of the former government? 

3. Were tenders called for the leasing of the farm land at Fingal and, if so 
(a) what were the names and addresses of persons submitting tenders, and the 
amount of each tender (b) how many were accepted, and what are the names 
of the successful tenderers, and the length of lease? 

Mr. Cardin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Mr. Diefenbaker, from his place in the House, asked leave under Standing 
Order 26 to move the adjournment of the House for the purpose of discussing 
a definite matter of urgent public importance, and stated the subject to be: 

"the admission by the Minister of Finance on Friday, June 14, of the facts 
relating to the preparation of the Budget which facts constitute a flagrant 
departure from constitutional budgetary practice, imperil the traditional and 
essential secrecy of the Budget, and which have had an unsettling effect on 
this House and on the country." 

Mr. Speaker decided that in his opinion the proposal was not a matter of 
urgency of debate as understood under the terms of Standing Order 26 as the 
said proposal could be discussed and voted upon when the Budget debate will 
be under way on Wednesday next. 

And the honourable Member for Burnaby-Coquitlam (Mr. Douglas) having 
stated that he wished to appeal the decision of the Chair; 

Mr. Speaker stated that his predecessors had on many occasions decided 
that there could not be an appeal to the House under such circumstances and 
referred to a precedent to be found in Hansard for January 31, 1963, at page 
3297. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. 
Knowles) raised a point of order to the effect that the Speaker's decision of 
January 31, 1963, had been appealed and reversed. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 

Addison, Asselin (Notre- Asselin (Richmond- Basford, 

Armstrong, Dame-de-Grace), Wolfe), Batten, 



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MONDAY, 17th JUNE 



107 



Bechard, 


Ethier, 


Laniel, 


Ouellet, 


Beer, 


Favreau, 


Laprise, 


Patterson, 


Belanger, 


Francis, 


Latulippe, 


Pearson, 


Benidickson, 


Frenette, 


Laverdiere, 


Pennell, 


Benson, 


Garland, 


Lessard 


Pepin, 


Berger, 


Gelber, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Pickersgill, 


Blouin, 


Girouard, 


Lessard 


Pilon, 


Byrne, 


Gordon, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Plourde, 


Cadieux, 


Gray, 


Lloyd, 


Richard, 


Cantin, 


Greene, 


Macaluso, 


Rideout, 


Cardin, 


Habel, 


Macdonald, 


Rondeau, 


Caron, 


Haidasz, 


MacEachen, 


Roxburgh, 


Carter, 


Harley, 


Mackasey, 


Ryan, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Hays, 


MacNaught, 


Sharp, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Hellyer, 


Mcllraith, 


Stewart, 


Cowan, 


Honey, 


McMillan, 


Tardif, 


Crossman, 


Kelly, 


McNulty, 


Teillet, 


Cyr, 


Klein, 


McWilliam, 


Temple, 


Davis, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Martin (Essex East), 


, Thompson, 


Deachman, 


Laing, 


Matheson, 


Tremblay, 


Deschatelets, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Matte, 


Turner, 


Drury, 


Lamontagne, 


Mullally, 


Walker, 


Dupuis, 


Lamoureux, 


Munro, 


Whelan— 97. 


Emard, 










Nays 






Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Douglas, 


Irvine, 


Orlikow, 


Baldwin, 


Enns, 


Jorgenson, 


Ormiston, 


Barnett, 


Fairweather, 


Kindt, 


Pascoe, 


Bigg, 


Fane, 


Knowles, 


Peters, 


Brewin, 


Fisher, 


Lamb, 


Rapp, 


Cadieu, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Lambert, 


Rheaume, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Revelstoke), 


Loney, 


Ricard, 


Cowichan-The 


Forbes, 


Macquarrie, 


Simpson, 


Islands), 


Hales, 


McBain, 


Smallwood, 


Cantelon, 


Hamilton, 


Madill, 


Southam, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Harkness, 


Mandziuk, 


Thomas, 


Churchill, 


Herridge, 


Mather, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Clancy, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Millar, 


Webb, 


Coates, 


Horner 


Moore, 


Webster, 


Crouse, 


(Jasper-Edson), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Weichel, 


Danforth, 


Horner 


Nasserden, 


Willoughby, 


Diefenbaker, 


(The Battlefords), 


Nielsen, 


Winkler, 


Dinsdale, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Noble, 


Woolliams— 69. 


Doucett, 


Huron), 


Nowlan, 





[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 



(Notices of Motions) 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Belanger, seconded by Mr. Frenette, moved, — 
That, in the opinion of this House, the government should consider the advisa- 
bility of amending the Family Allowance Act to provide: 

(a) for the doubling of the present rate at which family allowances are 
paid; 

(b) for the payment of allowances up to the age of 20 years if recipients 
continue their studies; 



108 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(c) for an increase in allowances after age 20 if the recipient goes to 
university and to be, in effect, an anticipated salary during university 
attendance. — (Notice of Motion No. 7). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of a Municipal Development 
and Loan Board. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to promote in- 
creased employment in Canada by the provision of financial assistance by way 
of loans to municipalities, the object of such loans being to enable municipali- 
ties to augment or accelerate their capital works programmes subject to the 
approval of the Provinces concerned; and for this purpose to provide a special 
fund in the Consolidated Revenue Fund not exceeding four hundred million 
dollars to be available for the making of loans to municipalities and certain 
other municipal authorities for specific municipal capital works projects; to 
establish a Municipal Development and Loan Board to administer the fund 
so provided; to authorize the acceptance of municipal debentures for any loans 
so made; to authorize a measure of forgiveness in respect of any loans so 
made, depending upon the date of completion of the projects for which such 
loans are made; and to provide further for other related and incidental mat- 
ters. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Garland, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-76, An Act to promote increased employment in Canada by financial 
assistance by way of loans to municipalities to enable municipalities to aug- 
ment or accelerate municipal capital works programs, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to amend the Atlantic Development Board Act, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Third Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 17th JUNE 109 

Clarence Lewis Reimer and two others, all of the City of Winnipeg, Mani- 
toba, for an Act to incorporate "The Good News Broadcasting Association of 
Canada". 

Stephen Boleslav Roman, of the Township of Markham, Ontario, and five 
others, for an Act to incorporate "Standard Trust Company". 

John Mark, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, Peter Kolibaiev, of the City 
of Montreal, Quebec, and five others, for an Act to incorporate "The Union of 
Slavic Churches of Evangelical Christians and Baptists of Canada". 

The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Central Canada Synod of the 
Lutheran Church in America", and for other purposes. 

Sam Foster Ross, of the Town of Dundas, Ontario, and four others, for an 
Act to incorporate "Fidelity Mortgage and Savings Corporation" and in French, 
"Compagnie d'Hypotheque et d'Epargne Fidelite". 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 24 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 18th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Sauve, from the Special Committee on Defence, presented the First 
Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to print from day to 
day such papers and evidence as may be ordered by the Committee, and that 
Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Sauve, seconded by Mr. Temple, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



The honourable Member for Winnipeg South Centre (Mr. Churchill) hav- 
ing raised a point of order to the effect that a certain entry in Votes and Pro- 
ceedings of Monday, June 17, 1963, was in conflict with the Hansard report and 
did not indicate the subject-matter of the question on which a recorded divi- 
sion had been taken; 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: In reply to the honourable Member for Winnipeg South 
Centre (Mr. Churchill), may I say at the outset, especially with regard to his 
final point, that the Journals reflect what took place in the House yesterday. 
However, I realize the general interest in this matter and I should like to make 
a short statement which, I hope, will be of interest and of use to the House. 

It has come to my attention, especially through the honourable Member 
who has just spoken, that some doubt has arisen with respect to the terms of 
the question upon which the House divided yesterday. Obviously, we cannot 
turn back and alter any proceedings that took place yesterday, nor should any 



112 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

discussion in relation thereto be permitted at this time. As mentioned in para- 
graph 4, citation 70 of Beauchesne's Fourth Edition: "A point of order against 
procedure must be raised before the question has passed to a stage at which 
the objection would be out of place." 

And, further on, Standing Order 35 states: "No Member may reflect upon 
any vote of the House, except for the purpose of moving that such vote be 
rescinded." 

However, by consent of the House, I could say a few words in an effort to 
dissolve any confusion with regard to yesterday's proceedings which may now 
exist in the minds of some honourable Members, that is, if the House so desires. 

Yesterday, as honourable Members will recall, the Right Honourable the 
Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker), asked leave to move the adjourn- 
ment of the House under Standing Order 26 and stated the matter which he 
proposed for discussion. 

A discussion then arose with regard to the urgency of the matter to be 
discussed. After contributions from several honourable Members, the Chair 
decided, in effect, that, as the matter could be discussed and voted upon in the 
course of the Budget Debate which would begin on Wednesday next, the pro- 
posal was not a matter of urgency of debate under the terms of Standing Order 
26 as understood and accepted by the practice of this House. 

At this point in the proceedings, the following is recorded at page 1240 of 
yesterday's Hansard: 

"Mr. Douglas: I must regretfully appeal from your ruling. 

"Mr. Speaker: Before the ruling is appealed, may I make one further short 
comment? My predecessors have many times in the past expressed the view that 
there is no appeal of a decision taken by the Speaker under Standing Order 26. 

"In this regard, I refer honourable Members to a ruling made by my im- 
mediate predecessor on January 31, 1963, which appears at page 3297 of 
Hansard. Therefore, I am making a similar ruling." 

It is at this stage in the proceedings that the difficulty arises. 

It was my opinion that I had given a second ruling, namely, that there was 
no appeal of a decision taken by the Speaker under Standing Order 26. The 
honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles), as recorded 
at page 1240 of Hansard, then used the following words: "That ruling to which 
you have just referred, Mr. Speaker, was reversed by a vote of the House, and 
I submit that a decision of the House stands over the decision which was made 
by Mr. Speaker Lambert." 

Since it is a well established rule that no debate is permitted on any ruling, 
the Chair interpreted the interposition of the honourable Member for Winni- 
peg North Centre as an appeal to the House from the second ruling. 

It would appear to me that, in effect, the House yesterday was con- 
firming a ruling that there could be no appeal of a decision taken by Mr. 
Speaker under Standing Order 26 and that such a decision of the House would 
be valid for the duration of the current session. 

However, in putting the question to the House, the Chair stated that the 
appeal was from the honourable Member for Burnaby-Coquitlam (Mr. Douglas) 
— and thereby hangs our difficulty. 

Some honourable Members may feel that they might have voted otherwise 
had the question been stated in other terms and, in reviewing the records, 
there may be justification for the taking of that position. 

Notwithstanding the fact that it is not open to the Chair or to any other 
Member to review, alter, or even to interpret any prior proceedings, I would 
like however to proffer a suggestion for the consideration of the House at this 
time. Since the question, as put from the Chair may have been interpreted 
differently, it is my suggestion that yesterday's vote be considered as not being 
binding should a similar situation arise later in this session. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 18th JUNE 113 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Atlantic Development Board Act. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members* Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-13, An Act to 
incorporate Standard Trust Company; 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. McWilliam, moved, — That the said bill be now- 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Atlantic Development Board Act, and further 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Denis, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Postmaster General for 
the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 77 of the Post Office Act, 
chapter 212, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Return to an Address, dated June 5, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor 
General for a copy of any documents, communications, correspondence or other 
papers, dated since June 10, 1957, containing any commitments by the Govern- 
ment of Canada to accept or acquire nuclear weapons for Canadian forces. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 4). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated June 12, 1963, (Question No. 304) showing: 1. What 
steps, in detail, does the federal Department of Labour follow in preparing the 
fair wage schedules attached to the tendering and contract documents for gov- 
ernment contracts? 

2. In what ways does the federal Department of Labour try to ensure that 
the prevailing labour rates, hours of work, and other conditions of labour that 
are in effect for the type of work specified in the locality concerned, are actually 
up-to-date? 



114 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

3. Has the federal Department of Labour received complaints from either 
contractors or trade unions or any other organizations in the past eighteen 
months about this particular problem, outlined in question 2, and, if so, what 
are the organizations, and on what date did they make their representations? 

By Mr. Robichaud, — A Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in 
Council P.C. 1963-390, dated March 9, 1963, authorizing the Manner in which 
Fishing Bounty may be distributed for the year ended March 31, 1963, together 
with a Statement of such payments for the said year, pursuant to section 4 of 
the Deep Sea Fisheries Act, chapter 61, R.S.C., 1952. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put, 
until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 19th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House is 
desired: 

Bill S-10, An Act respecting The Great- West Life Assurance Company. — 
Mrs. Konantz. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that a letter dated June 18, 1963, 
addressed to the Minister of Finance by the President of the Montreal Stock 
Exchange in connection with Budgetary provisions, be printed as an appendix 
to this day's Hansard. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 218 — Mr. McMillan 

1. During the last five years, how many persons in Canada have died each 
year from (a) heart disease (b) cancer? 

2. What federal grants are provided annually for research into the causes 
and treatment of these diseases? 

3. On what basis, and in what manner, have these grants been distributed? 



116 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

4. What Canadian institutions have received these grants? 

Mr. Dupuis, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 390 — Mr. Mcintosh 

1. As of May 1944 and May 1963, what was the total officer personnel, 
excluding militia and reserves, of the (a) Navy (b) Army (c) Air Force? 

2. As of May 1944 and May 1963, what was the total number of officers 
of the ranks listed hereunder: (a) Navy (i) Captain (ii) Commodore (iii) 
Rear Admiral (b) Army (i) Colonel (ii) Brigadier (iii) Major General (c) 
Air Force (i) Group Captain (ii) Air Commodore (iii) Air Vice-Marshal? 

3. How many RCAF officers, and of what rank, are receiving flying pay 
while performing full time duties which do not necessarily involve flying? 

4. What number of RCAF officers, and of what rank, receive flying pay 
while performing full time duties which do not involve flying for (a) jet air- 
craft (b) conventional aircraft? 

5. What is the total annual cost of flying pay to RCAF officers while per- 
forming full time duties which do not necessarily involve flying? 

6. What is the total estimated cost of supplying aircraft and maintaining 
aircraft for the purpose of the program to give flying time to RCAF officers 
engaged in other full time duties? 

7. How many RCAF personnel are engaged as instructors and servicing air- 
craft for the program to give flying time to RCAF officers whose full time duties 
do not necessarily involve flying, and what is the total annual pay of these 
servicing and instructional personnel? 

Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

No. 423 — Mr. Perron 

1. During the years 1950 to 1962 inclusive, what was the value of the gross 
national product (a) in current dollars (b) in constant dollars (1949 = 100)? 

2. During each of these years, what was the average annual earnings of 
wage-earners (a) in current dollars (b) in constant dollars (1949 = 100)? 

3. During each of these years, what was the average annual income of 
Canadian farmers (a) in current dollars (b) in constant dollars (1949 = 100)? 

4. During each of these years, what was the average annual income of 
farmers in the Province of Quebec (a) in current dollars (b) in constant 
dollars (1949 = 100)? 

5. During each of these years, what amounts were invested (a) in the 
public sector (b) in the private sector? 

6. During each of these years, what were the foreign investments in Canada? 

7. During each of these years, what were the amounts of Canadian invest- 
ments abroad? 

8. What amounts were paid out annually for each of these years to foreign 
companies or individuals in (a) interest (b) dividends (c) profits (d) capital 
repayments? 

Mr. Pepin, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade and Com- 
merce, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



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On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all reports of Mr. Joseph Dreaver who 
was employed to survey the Indians of Saskatchewan in respect of their reac- 
tions and recommendations concerning the findings of the Joint Committee of 
the Senate and House of Commons on Indian Affairs. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 7). 

Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 12, 14, 16, 29, 21, 24, 
26, and 27) having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the gov- 
ernment. 

On motion of Mr. Valade, seconded by Mr. Horner (Acadia), it was 
ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that 
he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, letters and 
other correspondence exchanged between the Mayor of Montreal and the fed- 
eral government since April 8, 1963, relating to the Montreal World's Fair. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 22). 

On motion of Mr. Valade, seconded by Mr. Horner (Acadia), it was 
ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that 
he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of the correspondence 
exchanged between the federal government, the Government of the Province 
of Quebec and the City of Montreal, relating to the new lay-out of the Trans- 
Canada Highway on the Island of Montreal. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 23). 

On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a return showing the total amount of elec- 
tion expenses on behalf of each candidate in the general election of April 8, 
1963, by constituencies, as indicated in the return respecting election expenses 
submitted by the official agent of each candidate, as required under the provi- 
sions of section 63 of The Canada Elections Act; and showing also the names 
of any candidates, by constituencies, on whose behalf election expense returns 
have not been submitted. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 28). 

On motion of Mr. Horner (Acadia), seconded by Mr. Woolliams, it was 
ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying 
that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams, projected plans and documents between the federal government or 
any agency or branch thereof and any provincial government, persons or 
organizations since January 1, 1961, with regard to rail line abandonment. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 29). 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; 



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Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be deleted and the following substituted there- 
for: 

"This House regrets that the Minister of Finance by failing to main- 
tain the constitutional practice of the essential secrecy of the Budget has 
seriously weakened public confidence; 

"That in general his proposals will endanger and curtail the expan- 
sion of the economy; 

"That the imposition of a sales tax on certain building materials and 
machinery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production is to 
be condemned as a retrograde and inexcusable action; and 

"That the proposals purporting to bring about desirable control by 
Canadians over the Canadian economy will fail by their very nature to 
achieve that objective and will result in deterioration of Canada's inter- 
national relations." 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Winch, seconded by Mr. Douglas, moved, — That, in order to promote 
the development of the highest degree of morale amongst federal civil servants 
through removal of obstacles to settlement of fundamental grievances and to 
enable official spokesmen to appear before a Standing Committee of the House 
of Commons, Standing Order 65(1) be amended by adding a paragraph (o) to 
read as follows: 

"(o) on Civil Service Affairs, to consist of 35 members, 10 of whom shall 
constitute a quorum;". 

— (Notice of Motion No. 8). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 






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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 20th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to further Canadian participa- 
tion in the development of industries and undertakings in Canada, to increase 
Canadian participation in the ownership of undertakings in Canada, and 
generally to further the development of the resources and industries of Canada; 
and for such purposes to establish an investment company, to be called the 
Canada Development Corporation, with a share capital structure whereby the 
largest possible numbers of Canadians may directly and indirectly invest capital 
in and profit from the ownership of Canadian industries and undertakings and 
the development of Canada; to authorize the guarantee by Canada of certain 
obligations of the Corporation; to provide for the approval by the Minister of 
Finance of issues of guaranteed obligations of the Corporation; to provide that 
the total liabilities of the Corporation outstanding at any time shall not exceed 
one thousand million dollars; and to provide further for other related and inci- 
dental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

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And on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Diefen- 
baker, in amendment thereto, — That all the words after the word "That" be 
deleted and the following substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets that the Minister of Finance by failing to main- 
tain the constitutional practice of the essential secrecy of the Budget has 
seriously weakened public confidence; 

"That in general his proposals will endanger and curtail the expan- 
sion of the economy; 

"That the imposition of a sales tax on certain building materials and 
machinery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production is to 
be condemned as a retrograde and inexcusable action; and 

"That the proposals purporting to bring about desirable control by 
Canadians over the Canadian economy will fail by their very nature to 
achieve that objective and will result in deterioration of Canada's inter- 
national relations." 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Orders numbered 1, 2, and 3 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Wahn, seconded 
by Mr. Mc William, — That Bill S-13, An Act to incorporate Standard Trust 
Company, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 

Order No. 5 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 

(Public Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-ll, An Act to amend 
the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act (Twelve Mile Fishing Zone) ; 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 20th JUNE 121 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-ll, An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western 
Canada. — Mr. More. 

Bill S-12, An Act respecting Ukrainian National Federation of Canada. — 
Mr. Mandziuk. 

Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate The Good News Broadcasting Association 
of Canada. — Mr. Enns. 

Bill S-17, An Act respecting Chartered Trust Company. — Mr. Wahn. 

Bill S-18, An Act to incorporate Baptist Convention of Ontario and 
Quebec. — Mr. Wahn. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget); and on the pro- 
posed amendment thereto of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Receipts and Expenditures under Part V of the Canada Shipping Act (Sick 
Mariners) for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 321 of the said 
Act, chapter 29, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put, 
until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 21st JUNE, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Seven petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-77, An Act to amend the Trans-Canada Highway Act (Canada High- 
ways), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Hahn, seconded by Miss Jewett, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-78, An Act to amend the Immigration Act, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do 
go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient, as a means towards the further development of man- 
power in Canada and towards increasing employment opportunities for Cana- 
dians, to introduce a measure to amend the Technical and Vocational Training 
Assistance Act: 

(a) to provide that in respect of the costs incurred by a province as train- 
ing allowances for unemployed persons, the contributions payable by Canada 
to the province be increased from 75 per cent to such percentage, not exceeding 
90 per cent, as may be specified in the agreement made under the Act between 
the Minister of Labour and the province; 

(b) to provide in respect of the costs incurred by the province for such 
part of the programme for training employed persons in industry as may be 
specified in the agreement, the contributions payable by Canada to the prov- 
ince be increased from 50 to 75 per cent thereof; 



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(c) to extend, until such date as may be specified in the agreement made 
under the Act between the Minister of Labour and the province, the period 
during which the contributions payable by Canada to the province will be 75 
per cent in respect of costs incurred by the province for capital expenditures 
on training facilities; and 

(d) to increase the number of members of the Technical and Vocational 
Training Advisory Council from twenty-three to twenty-eight and to provide 
an honorarium for the Chairman thereof. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish a comprehensive 
pension programme to be known as the Canada Pension Plan and to provide 
among other things for the payment of pensions on an adjusted scale com- 
mencing, at the option of the pensioner, at any age between 65 and 70 years; for 
the payment of pensions to surviving spouses commencing at any age after 65 
years; for the progressive establishment of such pensions over an initial period 
averaging ten years in order to facilitate the adjustment of existing pension 
schemes to the new plan; for the payment of an additional pension of ten dol- 
lars a month to all persons to whom a pension may be paid under the Old 
Age Security Act; for the adjustment of pensions payable under the Old Age 
Security Act to co-ordinate such pensions with the new plan; and for the 
appointment and remuneration of such officers, clerks and employees as may be 
required for the due carrying out of the new plan; and to provide further that 
all expenditures under the new plan, additional to those required under the 
Old Age Security Act, shall be paid out of or reimbursed from contributions by 
employees, employers and self-employed persons. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Garland, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the National Housing 
Act, 1954, 

(a) to provide further assistance to municipalities carrying out urban 
renewal programmes by authorizing Central Mortgage and Housing Corpora- 
tion (hereinafter referred to as "the Corporation") to make loans to munic- 
ipalities to assist them in meeting the costs of such programmes, and for this 
purpose to provide for the payment out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of 
amounts not exceeding in the aggregate one hundred million dollars; 

(b) to authorize the Corporation to make loans and to insure loans made 
by approved lenders to owners of existing houses in areas included in urban 
renewal programmes; 

(c) to authorize the Corporation to make loans and contributions to pro- 
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public housing projects and operating such projects, and to authorize the Cor- 
poration to contribute a portion of the operating losses on any such projects 
that provide subsidized housing accommodation to individuals or families of 
low income; 

(d) to permit federal-provincial public housing projects to include exist- 
ing housing and hostel or dormitory type housing accommodation; 

(e) to authorize the Corporation to make loans to non-profit organizations 
to assist in the acquisition or construction of housing accommodation for indi- 
viduals or families of low income; 

(/) to increase from two billion dollars to two and one-half billion dollars 
the maximum charge on the Consolidated Revenue Fund for direct loans by the 
Corporation; 

(g) to provide for the establishment of a special account in the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund out of which amounts not exceeding in the aggregate one 
hundred million dollars may be advanced to the Corporation for the making 
of loans to the holders of mortgages issued in respect of loans insured under 
the Act and for the purchase by the Corporation of mortgages issued to secure 
such loans; 

(h) to increase the loan ratio for insured loans made to home owners and 
builders; and 

(i) to provide further for certain changes in the administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That a Special Committee be appointed to consider and report on (a) the 
hazards of food contamination from insecticides, pesticides, and other noxious 
substances; and (b) the safety and cost of drugs; that the Committee consist of 
24 members to be designated later by the House; that the Committee be em- 
powered to send for persons, papers, records, and to report from time to time, 
and to print such papers and evidence from day to day as may be deemed advis- 
able; and that the provisions of Standing Orders 66 and 67 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto. — The Minister of National Health and Welfare. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Diefen- 
baker, in amendment thereto, — That all the words after the word "That" be 
deleted and the following substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets that the Minister of Finance by failing to main- 
tain the constitutional practice of the essential secrecy of the Budget has 
seriously weakened public confidence; 

"That in general his proposals will endanger and curtail the expan- 
sion of the economy; 



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"That the imposition of a sales tax on certain building materials and 
machinery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production is to 
be condemned as a retrograde and inexcusable action; and 

"That the proposals purporting to bring about desirable control by 
Canadians over the Canadian economy will fail by their very nature to 
achieve that objective and will result in deterioration of Canada's inter- 
national relations." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

By unanimous consent, Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were 
allowed to stand. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-13, An Act to amend 
the Civil Service Act (Remembrance Day) ; 

Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Denis, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the said bill be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter 
thereof be referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 

And the question being put on the said amendment, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read the second time, but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
Expenditures and Administration in connection with the Family Allowances Act 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 14 of the said Act, 
chapter 109, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, — Report of Expenditures and Administration in connec- 
tion with the Old Age Security Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 12 of the said Act, chapter 200, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



By unanimous consent, at 5.58 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 24th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 178— Mr. Hales 

1. Since January 1, 1963, what contracts have been let, and on what dates, 
to De Havilland Aircraft of Canada, Malton, and Hawker Siddeley Canada Ltd. 
(Orenda Engines Div.), Malton? 

2. What were they for, and what was the amount of each contract? 

3. When were tenders called? 

Mr. Dupuis, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 209 — Mr. Pigeon 
For each electoral district of the Province of Quebec, what are the 
names and addresses of all the notaries or lawyers whose services are now 
retained by the Department of Justice and Central Mortgage and Housing 
Corporation? 

Mr. Dupuis, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 584— Mr. Barnett 

1. What rates of pay are currently in effect for each classification of 
civilian employee at R.C.A.F. Station Comox? 

2. How many hours per day and days per week constitute the regular 
work schedule of each classification of employee? 

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3. How long has each of the present rates been in effect, and what was 
the rate in effect before the last change? 

4. Are all rates for civilian employees at this Station set on the basis of 
"prevailing rates", and, if not, which classifications or groups of employees 
have their rates set on this basis? 

5. At whose request, and by whom, were the most recent "prevailing 
rate" surveys made for each classification? 

Mr. Cardin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget), and on the 
proposed amendment thereto of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint-Jean), seconded by Mr. Frenette, moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should study the advisability of 
amending the Income Tax Act so that all revenue deriving from a contribution 
to a recognized pension fund be exempt from income tax up to a maximum of 
$3,000 a year. (Notice of Motion No. 9). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after the word "That" be deleted 
and the following substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets that the Minister of Finance by failing to main- 
tain the constitutional practice of the essential secrecy of the Budget has 
seriously weakened public confidence; 

"That in general his proposals will endanger and curtail the expan- 
sion of the economy; 

"That the imposition of a sales tax on certain building materials and 
machinery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production is to 
be condemned as a retrograde and inexcusable action; and 

"That the proposals purporting to bring about desirable control by 
Canadians over the Canadian economy will fail by their very nature to 
achieve that objective and will result in deterioration of Canada's inter- 
national relations." 

And debate continuing; at 9.45 p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the proceed- 
ings pursuant to Standing Order 58(5); 



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And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was 
negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Bell, 

Cadieu, 

Cantelon, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chatterton, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 






Fleming (Okanagan 
Revelstoke), 

Forbes, 

Grafftey, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Hamilton, 

Harkness, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Horner 

(The Battlefords), 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 

Jorgenson, 

Kennedy, 

Korchinski, 

Lamb, 

Lambert, 

Loney, 



Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens), 

Macquarrie, 

McBain, 

Mcintosh, 

Madill, 

Martineau, 

Millar, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Noble, 
Nowlan, 
Nugent, 
Ormiston, 



Pascoe, 

Paul, 

Pigeon, 

Pugh, 

Rapp, 

Rheaume, 

Ricard, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Smith, 

Southam, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Valade, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Willoughby, 

Winkler— 73. 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Addison, 


Favreau, 


Langlois, 


Patterson, 


Basford, 


Forest, 


Laniel, 


Pearson, 


Batten, 


Forgie, 


Laverdiere, 


Pennell, 


Bechard, 


Francis, 


Leboe, 


Pepin, 


Beer, 


Frenette, 


Lessard 


Pickersgill, 


Belanger, 


Garland, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Pilon, 


Benidickson, 


Gelber, 


Lessard 


Plourde, 


Benson, 


Girouard, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Regan, 


Berger, 


Godin, 


Lloyd, 


Richard, 


Boulanger, 


Gordon, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Byrne, 


Granger, 


Macaluso, 


Rinfret, 


Cadieux, 


Gray, 


Macdonald, 


Robichaud, 


Cameron (High 


Greene, 


MacEachen, 


Rock, 


Park), 


Groos, 


MacNaught, 


Rouleau, 


Cantin, 


Habel, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Cardin, 


Haidasz, 


McNulty, 


Sauve, 


Caron, 


Hahn, 


McWilliam, 


Sharp, 


Carter, 


Harley, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Stewart, 


Cashin, 


Hays, 


Matheson, 


Tardif, 


Chevrier, 


Hellyer, 


Matte, 


Temple, 


Chretien, 


Honey, 


Mitchell, 


Tremblay, 


Cowan, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Moreau, 


Tucker, 


Crossman, 


Kelly, 


Morison, 


Wahn, 


Davis, 


Klein, 


Mullally, 


Walker, 


Deachman, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Munro, 


Watson 


Denis, 


Lachance, 


Nicholson, 


(Chateauguay- 


Drouin, 


Laing, 


O'Keefe, 


(Huntingdon- 


Drury, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Olson, 


Laprairie), 


Dupuis, 


Lamontagne, 


Otto, 


Whelan— 113. 


Ethier, 


Lamoureux, 


Ouellet, 




28904-1—10^ 









130 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

A point of order having been raised by the Right Honourable the Leader 
of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker), prior to the announcement by the Clerk 
of the House of the result of the foregoing division, to the effect that "if a Mem- 
ber of the Commons who has heard the question put does not vote, and the 
attention of the Speaker is directed to the fact, the latter will call upon him to 
declare on which side he votes; and his name will be recorded accordingly". 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: I might say immediately that when the Right Honourable 
Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker) raises these interesting matters I 
am always impressed at first with the experience of the Right Honourable 
gentleman and his knowledge. However, he referred to Bourinot and the cita- 
tion to which he referred involved an incident many years ago. Sir Erskine 
May's Parliamentary Practice, 16 th edition, page 434, refers to the British House 
of Commons and says: "Practice in the House of Commons. — A similar rule 
formerly obtained in the House of Commons, but in session 1906, in connection 
with the changes made in taking divisions which have been already mentioned, 
the House agreed to a new Standing Order — now S.O. No. 33 — which provided 
that a Member might vote in a division although he had not heard the question 
put, and that a Member was not obliged to vote although he was in the House 
when the question was put." 

Then dealing with a very similar situation, Mr. Glen, as reported in the 
Debates of the House of Commons for September 28, 1945, page 542, said: "Mr. 
Speaker, this question has always been somewhat confused in this House of 
Commons. The honourable Member for Cariboo (Mr. Irvine) spoke of an incident 
which occurred at a time when he was a Member of the House. He has pointed 
out that on that occasion the matter was brought to the attention of the House 
and that the honourable Member in question was requested to record his vote." 
This is the important part: "A year ago when we were dealing with a revision 
of the rules this matter was considered carefully by honourable Members 
of the committee. At that time they did not think they should make a recom- 
mendation to the House in this connection. The position I always took when 
I occupied the Speaker's Chair was that an honourable Member who was in 
the House should record his vote; but if he did not do so the Chair had no power 
to compel him to do so." So, in accordance with previous precedents, I must 
regretfully reject the suggestion. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of a letter 
addressed to the Prime Minister of Canada by the Premier of Quebec dated 
June 7, 1963, relating to federal aid to municipalities. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pearson, — Report of the Auditor-General on the examination of the 
Accounts and Financial Transactions of the Canada Council, for the year ended 
March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 23 of the Canada Council Act, chapter 3, 
Statutes of Canada, 1957. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated June 17, 1963 (^Question No. 342) showing: 1. How 
many students, each year, have gone on to RMC from CMR, and from Royal 
Roads? 






A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 24th JUNE 131 

2. How many of these students, from each place, were considered French- 
speaking in origin and English-speaking in origin? 

3. For each year these students were in RMC, what was the record of per- 
formance for CMR and Royal Roads students, of both French and English 
origin, in terms of drop-out, failure, and passing? 

4. How many students have entered CMR and Royal Roads since 1952-53? 

5. How many of these students are (a) still in the service colleges at this 
date and (b) still in the Armed Services as commissioned officers? 

Fourth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on June 21 meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

The Board of Trade of Metropolitan Toronto for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation deleting the proviso limiting the Corporation's power to hold 
lands to a greater value in the whole than seven hundred and fifty thousand 
dollars. — Mr. Wahn. 

The Canada North-west Land Company (Limited) for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation increasing its capital from fifty-nine thousand five hundred 
and fifty-one dollars to four million fifty-nine thousand five hundred and fifty- 
one dollars, and for other purposes. — Mr. Wahn. 

The Canadian Union Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists 
for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Seventh-day 
Adventist Church in Canada" repealing the limitations on its powers to hold 
parcels of land, and for other purposes. — Mr. Honey. 

Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation to convert it from a mutual to a capital stock company. — Mr. 
Granger. 

Gordon Peter Campbell and four others, all of the City of Toronto, Ontario, 
for an Act to incorporate "Kinross Mortgage Corporation". — Mr. Francis. 

The Monarch Life Assurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, 
either the name "The Monarch Life Assurance Company" and/or "La Monarch, 
Compagnie d'Assurance-Vie". — Mrs. Konantz. 

The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada" 
and/or "La Souveraine, Compagnie d'Assurance-Vie du Canada". — Mrs. 
Konantz. 



At 10.22 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 25th JUNE, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copy of a letter dated June 20, 1963, addressed by the Prime Minister of 
Canada to all provincial Premiers concerning a comprehensive Canada-wide 
pension programme. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said letter be printed as an 
appendix to this day's Hansard. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-14, An Act respecting 
Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust Company; 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Mc William, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



134 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-8, An Act respecting 
Quebec Fire Assurance Company; 

Mr. Forest, seconded by Mr. Francis, moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-9, An Act respecting 
Confederation Life Association; 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. McWilliam, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-10, An Act respecting 
The Great-West Life Assurance Company; 

Mrs. Konantz, seconded by Mr. Mackasey, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-ll, An Act respecting 
The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western Canada; 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Rapp for Mr. More, seconded by Mr. Stefanson, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



Order No. 6 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-15, An Act to 
incorporate The Good News Broadcasting Association of Canada; 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Fairweather for Mr. Enns, seconded by Mr. 
Loney, moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 25th JUNE 135 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-17, An Act respecting 
Chartered Trust Company; 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. McWilliam, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-18, An Act to in- 
corporate Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec; 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Macdonald, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 






Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Old Age Security Fund 
and of temporary loans made to the Fund during the fiscal year ended March 31, 
1963, pursuant to section 11(4) of the Old Age Security Act, chapter 200, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Board of Broadcast 
Governors for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 19 of the 
Broadcasting Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1958. (English and French). 



136 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



Prayers. 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 26th JUNE, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following four Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 299— Mr. Mather 

1. What was the total number of (a) men (b) women, in each branch of 
the Armed Forces on February 1 in each of the years 1961, 1962 and 1963? 

2. What was the total number of civilian employees in the Department of 
National Defence and its purchasing agencies on each of the above dates? 

3. What was the total cost of the Armed Forces, the Department of Na- 
tional Defence, and its purchasing agencies in the years ending on the above 
dates? 

Mr. Dupuis, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 459 — Mr. Fisher 

1. What has been the index of those registering as out of work and seeking 
work at the Unemployment Insurance Commission offices in Fort William and 
Port Arthur since January 1, 1958, month by month, in comparison to the total 
number of Unemployment Insurance Commission numbers registered, month 
by month? 

2. During this same period, month by month, how does this index compare 
with the provincial and national index? 

No. 615 — Mr. Martineau 
1. What are the names of the Executive Assistants, Special Assistants, 
Private Secretaries, and Associate Private Secretaries for each of the Ministers 
of the Crown? 



138 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

2. What is for each such person the date of his or her appointment and his 
or her salary? 

3. What is for each Minister the total number of his personal staff? 

No. 622— Mr. Smallwood 

1. What were the amounts of money spent by the federal government 
through the Farm Stabilization Board for the years 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961 and 
1962? 

2. What were the amounts of money spent on the support of hogs, butter 
and milk? 

3. What were the amounts spent in each province through the Farm 
Stabilization Board for these years? 

Mr. Beer, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



Mr. Balcer, from his place in the House, asked leave under Standing Order 
26 to move the adjournment of the House for the purpose of discussing a 
definite matter of urgent public importance, and stated the matter to be: 

"the statement made yesterday in the Quebec Legislature by the Premier 
of the Province of Quebec, the Honourable Jean Lesage, in which he vehemently 
denounced as a very serious infringement upon provincial autonomy the 
proposed federal assistance to municipalities, and various other bills or resolu- 
tions submitted to the House by the government." 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

The matter I have to decide is a motion for the adjournment of the House 
made for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance 
under Standing Order 26. 

" 'Urgency' within this rule does not apply to the matter itself, but it means 
'urgency of debate', when the ordinary opportunities provided by the rules of 
the House do not permit the subject to be brought on early enough and public 
interest demands that discussion take place immediately." 

That is citation 100 (3) of Beauchesne's Fourth Edition. 

"The reason for allowing such a motion for the adjournment is to afford 
Members an opportunity for discussing a definite matter of urgent public im- 
portance which it could do in no other way ..." 

That was a decision of Mr. Speaker Black, as reported in Journals of the 
House for March 31, 1931, page 50. 

"The urgency of debate is something that has to be considered. . . In my 
experience it has never happened in the House that while the Speech from the 
Throne was being currently debated a motion for the purpose of discussing a 
definite matter of urgent public importance under the new Standing Order 26 
was agreed to." 

That is a quotation from Mr. Speaker, taken from Hansard for January 11, 
1956, page 20. 

Also, during the debate on the Address on January 20, 1956, there is the 
following statement by Mr. Speaker, as reported at page 343 of Hansard: 

". . .whenever there is a debate like the one currently going on, which gives 
the opportunity to honourable Members to discuss a wide range of subjects, 
motions such as this one have not been allowed." 



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WEDNESDAY, 26th JUNE 



139 



Then, in Hansard for June 27, 1961, I read this at page 7105, Mr. Speaker 
Michener having expressed a similar view with regard to a motion under 
Standing Order 26 during the Budget Debate. He said: "It seems to me that it 
is a matter which could very readily be debated in the Budget Debate ..." 

Later on on the same page he added: "I accept the proposition that this is 
an urgent and important public matter to which the Leader of the Opposition 
draws attention. It is a definite matter of public importance. However, that is 
not the criterion in determining whether Standing Order 26 should be applied. 
The criterion is whether there is an opportunity to debate this matter in an 
effective way." 

Mr. Speaker Michener concluded his remarks as follows, as reported at 
page 7106: "...I am not satisfied that there is not ample opportunity to put 
before the House and the government all the considerations that apply to this 
important matter in the debate which will follow immediately after the calling 
of the Orders of the Day. Therefore, with regret — " 

and I should like to use these words myself — "I cannot accede to the request of 
the — " honourable Member for Three Rivers (Mr. Balcer). 

Whereupon the Honourable Member for Three Rivers (Mr. Balcer) stated 
that he desired to appeal to the House from this decision. 

Mr. Speaker ruled that, in accordance with decisions given by previous 
Speakers, a decision in regard to the question of urgency of debate under 
Standing Order 26 could not be appealed to the House. 

Thereupon the Honourable Member for Three Rivers (Mr. Balcer) appealed 
to the House from the ruling that there could be no appeal from a ruling by the 
Chair under Standing Order 26. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the ruling of the Chair, 
on the appeal to the House of the Honourable Member for Three Rivers (Mr. 
Balcer), be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cashin, 


Francis, 


Lamoureux, 


Armstrong, 


Chevrier, 


Garland, 


Laniel, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Chretien, 


Gelber, 


Laverdiere, 


Wolfe), 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Gendron, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Badanai, 


Cowan, 


Godin, 


Henri), 


Basford, 


Crossman, 


Gordon, 


Lloyd, 


Batten, 


Cyr, 


Granger, 


Loiselle, 


Bechard, 


Davis, 


Gray, 


Macaluso, 


Beer, 


Deachman, 


Greene, 


Macdonald, 


Benidickson, 


Denis, 


Groos, 


MacEachen, 


Benson, 


Deschatelets, 


Guay, 


MacNaught, 


Berger, 


Drouin, 


Haidasz, 


Mcllraith, 


Boulanger, 


Drury, 


Hahn, 


McMillan, 


Byrne, 


Dube, 


Hays, 


McNulty, 


Cadieux, 


Dupuis, 


Hellyer, 


McWilliam, 


Cameron (High 


Emard, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Marcoux, 


Park), 


Ethier, 


Klein, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Cantin, 


Favreau, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Matheson, 


Cardin, 


Forest, 


Lachance, 


Matte, 


Caron, 


Forgie, 


Laing, 


Mitchell, 


Carter, 


Foy, 


Lamontagne, 


Moreau, 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



Morison, 


Pickersgill, 


Rock, 


Tucker, 


Mullally, 


Pilon, 


Rouleau, 


Wahn, 


Munro, 


Regan, 


Ryan, 


Walker, 


Nicholson, 


Rideout, 


Sharp, 


Watson 


O'Keefe, 


Rinfret, 


Stewart, 


(Chateauguay- 


Otto, 


Robichaud, 


Temple, 


Huntingdon- 


Pearson, 


Rochon, 


Tremblay, 


Laprairie), 


Pennell, 






Whelan— 108. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Balcer, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Leboe, 


Ouellet, 


Baldwin, 


Revelstoke), 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Pascoe, 


Barnett, 


Forbes, 


Jean), 


Paul, 


Beaule, 


Frenette, 


Loney, 


Perron, 


Bell, 


Gauthier, 


MacEwan, 


Peters, 


Bigg, 


Girouard, 


Maclnnis, 


Plourde, 


Boutin, 


Grafftey, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Prittie, 


Cadieu, 


Gregoire, 


Macquarrie, 


Pugh, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


■ Gundlock, 


MacRae, 


Rapp, 


Cowichan-The 


Hales, 


McCutcheon, 


Rheaume, 


Islands), 


Harkness, 


Mcintosh, 


Ricard, 


Cantelon, 


Herridge, 


Madill, 


Rondeau, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Horner (Acadia), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Scott, 


Chapdelaine, 


Horner 


Martineau, 


Skoreyko, 


Chatterton, 


(The Battlefords), 


Mather, 


Slogan, 


Churchill, 


Howard, 


Millar, 


Smallwood, 


Clancy, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Monteith, 


Southam, 


Coates, 


South), 


Moore, 


Stefanson, 


Cooper, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Stenson, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Huron), 


North and 


Thompson, 


Crouse, 


Irvine, 


Victoria), 


Valade, 


Diefenbaker, 


Jorgenson, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Vincent, 


Dinsdale, 


Kennedy, 


Nasserden, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Dionne, 


Knowles, 


Nesbitt, 


Webb, 


Doucett, 


Korchinski, 


Noble, 


Webster, 


Douglas, 


Lamb, 


Nowlan, 


Weichel, 


Fairweather, 


Langlois, 


Olson, 


Willoughby, 


Fane, 


Laprise, 


Orlikow, 


Winch, 


Fisher, 


Latulippe, 


Ormiston, 


Winkler— 107. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 12, 26, 27, and 38) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Martineau, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any of its agencies 
or departments and any provincial or municipal government, individuals or 
organizations since January 1, 1958, in respect of the construction of a penal 
institution in the parish of St. Pie de Bagot. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 14). 



On motion of Mr. Grafftey, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 26th JUNE 141 

and other documents exchanged between the federal government or any agency 
thereof and any of the provincial governments or agents thereof since April 
30, 1963, concerning the establishment of a municipal development and loan 
board. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 19). 



On motion of Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government, or any agencies or 
departments thereof, and any provincial government, since April 21, 1963, re- 
lating to jointly financed programmes. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 24). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, tele- 
grams and other documents exchanged between the government or any Minis- 
ter, agency or branch thereof, and a Mr. L. D. Tipton of Frangois Lake, British 
Columbia, or Burns Lake, British Columbia, since January 1, 1963, and dealing 
with fiscal and monetary matters and of the question of Canadian ownership. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 31). 



On motion of Mr. Grafftey, seconded by Mr. Horner (Acadia), it was 
ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that 
he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence since April 
22, 1963, between the Prime Minister or other representatives of the federal 
government and the Premiers or other representatives of the several provinces 
in connection with the convening of a Dominion-Provincial Conference. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 32). 



On motion of Mr. Grafftey, seconded by Mr. Pigeon, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between 
the federal government and the Premiers or other representatives of the several 
provincial governments regarding the need of there being new fiscal arrange- 
ments being entered into and, in particular, any correspondence containing a 
request for an increase in the share of the provinces in company income tax, 
personal income tax and succession duties. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 33). 



On motion of Mr. Stefanson, seconded by Mr. Southam, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of the minutes of the proceedings 
and transcript of evidence of the hearings of the Board of Broadcast Gover- 
nors, dealing with an application of the C.B.C. for an increase in the effective 
radiated power, a change in channel and a change of antenna site of station 
CBWT, Winnipeg, Manitoba. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 34). 



142 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Rheaume, seconded by Mr. Willoughby, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of (a) the minutes of the Confer- 
ence of the Indians of the Northwest Territories and Athabasca Region held at 
Fort Smith, N.W.T., on July 29-30, 1957 (b) the Report of the Commission to 
Investigate the Unfulfilled Provisions of Treaties 8 and 11 as they Apply to the 
Indians of the Mackenzie District, as set up by Order in Council P.C. 799, dated 
June 25, 1959, said report having been filed in December 1959 (c) all mem- 
oranda, letters, telegrams and other correspondence exchanged between the 
said Commission, the federal government, and the Indian people or their repre- 
sentatives, from December 1, 1959, to the present. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 35). 



On motion of Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of the Treasury Board minutes 
respecting the appointments of the four persons named by the Minister of 
Finance in statements to the House as having had knowledge of the contents 
of the Budget speech before delivery and a copy of the Orders in Council vali- 
dating such appointments. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 36). 



On motion of Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence 
and other documents exchanged since April 21 between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the Province of Quebec on the application of 
the provisions of the Unemployment Insurance Act to the non-permanent 
employees of the Department of Highways of the Province of Quebec. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 37). 



On motion of Mr. Coates, seconded by Mr. Kennedy, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the federal government or any agency 
or branch thereof and any other government, person or organization since April 
22, 1963, relating to the Trans-Canada Highway agreement and the proposal by 
the federal government to share on a 90-10 basis with the provinces the construc- 
tion of such highways in the Atlantic Provinces. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 39). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; at 4.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 58(6); 



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And the question being put on the said proposed motion, it was agreed to 
on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Addison, 


Davis, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Nicholson, 


Armstrong, 


Deachman, 


Lachance, 


O'Keefe, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Denis, 


Laing, 


Olson, 


Wolfe), 


Deschatelets, 


Lamontagne, 


Otto, 


Badanai, 


Dionne, 


Lamoureux, 


Ouellet, 


Basford, 


Drouin, 


Laniel, 


Pearson, 


Batten, 


Drury, 


Laprise, 


Pennell, 


Beaule, 


Dube, 


Latulippe, 


Pickersgill, 


Bechard, 


Dupuis, 


Laverdiere, 


Pilon, 


Beer, 


Emard, 


Leboe, 


Plourde, 


Benidickson, 


Ethier, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Regan, 


Benson, 


Favreau, 


Jean), 


Rideout, 


Berger, 


Forest, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Robichaud, 


Boulanger, 


Forgie, 


Henri), 


Rochon, 


Boutin, 


Foy, 


Lloyd, 


Rock, 


Byrne, 


Francis, 


Loiselle, 


Rouleau, 


Cadieux, 


Garland, 


Macaluso, 


Ryan, 


Cameron (High 


Gelber, 


Macdonald, 


Sharp, 


Park), 


Gendron, 


MacEachen, 


Stewart, 


Cantin, 


Girouard, 


MacNaught, 


Tardif, 


Cardin, 


Godin, 


Mcllraith, 


Teillet, 


Caron, 


Gordon, 


McNulty, 


Temple, 


Carter, 


Granger, 


McWilliam, 


Thompson, 


Cashin, 


Gray, 


Martin (Essex East] 


f Tremblay, 


Chapdelaine, 


Greene, 


Matheson, 


Tucker, 


Chevrier, 


Groos, 


Matte, 


Wahn, 


Chretien, 


Guay, 


Mitchell, 


Walker, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Haidasz, 


Moreau, 


Watson 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Hahn, 


Morison, 


(Chateauguay 


Cowan, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Mullally, 


Huntingdon- 


Crossman, 


Klein, 


Munro, 


Laprairie), 


Cyr, 






Wh elan— 119. 



Nays 





Messrs: 




Balcer, 


Forbes, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Pascoe, 


Baldwin, 


Grafftey, 


MacRae, 


Paul, 


Bell, 


Gundlock, 


McCutcheon, 


Pugh, 


Bigg, 


Hales, 


Mcintosh, 


Rapp, 


Cadieu, 


Hamilton, 


Madill, 


Rheaume, 


Cantelon, 


Harkness, 


Marcoux, 


Ricard, 


Chatterton, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Martineau, 


Skoreyko, 


Churchill, 


Horner 


Millar, 


Slogan, 


Clancy, 


(The Battlefords) 


Monteith, 


Smallwood, 


Coates, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Moore, 


Smith, 


Cooper, 


Huron), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Southam, 


Crouse, 


Irvine, 


North and 


Stefanson, 


Diefenbaker, 


Jorgenson, 


Victoria), 


Stenson, 


Dinsdale, 


Kennedy, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Valade, 


Doucett, 


Korchinski, 


Nasserden, 


Vincent, 


Enns, 


Lamb, 


Nesbitt, 


Webb, 


Fairweather, 


Lambert, 


Noble, 


Weichel, 


Fane, 


Loney, 


Nowlan, 


Willoughby, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


• MacEwan, 


Nugent, 


Winkler— 74 


Revelstoke), 


Maclnnis, 


Ormiston, 





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Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Ways and Means, 
and progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Dinsdale, seconded by Mr. Martineau, moved, — That, in the opinion 
of this House, the government, in consultation with the recently-formed Federal- 
Provincial Parks Conference, should give immediate consideration to establish- 
ing a Recreational Parks Program to: 

1. extend the picnic sites and camp ground program; 

2. complement the National Parks System; 

3. meet the growing recreational needs of a changing society; 

4. provide adequate services and facilities for Canada's booming tourist 
industry. — (Notice of Motion No. 10). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-19, An Act to incorporate The Union of Slavic Churches of 
Evangelical Christians and Slavic Baptists of Canada. — Mr. Smith. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of 
Wednesday, June 12, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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JOURNALS 

OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 27th JUNE, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Walker, from the Special Committee appointed to prepare and report 
lists of Members to compose the Standing Committees of the House under 
Standing Order 65, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which 
was concurred in, and is as follows: 

Your Committee, in accordance with Standing Order 65, recommends that 
the Standing Committees of this House be composed of the following Members: 







No. 1 








Privileges and Elections 






Messrs. 




Blouin, 




Francis, 


Moreau, 


Brewin, 




Girouard, 


Nielsen, 


Brown, 




Howard, 


Paul, 


Cameron 


(High Park), 


Jewett (Miss), 


Pennell, 


Cashin, 




Leboe, 


Richard, 


Chretien, 




Macquarrie, 


Sauve, 


Dionne, 




Martineau, 


Turner, 


Doucett, 




Millar, 


Webb, 


Drouin, 




Monteith, 


Woolliams — 29 


Dube, 




More, 

(Quorum 10) 





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No. 2 
Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines 





Messrs. 




Addison, 


Granger, 


McNulty, 


Armstrong, 


Greene, 


Muir (Cape Breton North 


Asselin (Notre-Dame-de- 


Gregoire, 


and Victoria), 


Grace), 


Guay, 


Nielsen, 


Balcer, 


Gundlock, 


Nixon, 


Basford, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Orlikow, 


Beaule, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Pascoe, 


Bechard, 


Huron), 


Rapp, 


Belanger, 


Irvine, 


Regan, 


Bell, 


Jorgenson, 


Rheaume, 


Berger, 


Kennedy, 


Rideout, 


Boulanger, 


Lachance, 


Rock, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Lamb, 


Ryan, 


Cowichan-The Islands) 


, Laniel, 


Rynard, 


Cantelon, 


Leboe, 


Smith, 


Cowan, 


Lessard (Saint-Henri), 


Stenson, 


Crossman, 


Macaluso, 


Tucker, 


Crouse, 


MacEwan, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Fisher, 


Mackasey, 


Watson (Chateauguay- 


Foy, 


Matte, 


Huntingdon-Laprairie ) 


Gauthier, 


McBain, 


—60 


Godin, 


McMillan, 

(Quorum 20) 

No. 3 
Miscellaneous Private Bills 





Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Basford, 

Beaule, 

Cameron (High Park), 

Cantelon, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Cowan, 

Deachman, 

Forbes, 

Foy, 

Francis, 

Gelber, 

Gray, 

Gregoire, 

Groos, 



Messrs. 

Harley, 

Honey, 

Horner (The Battlefords), 

Jewett (Miss), 

Klein, 

Konantz (Mrs.), 

Lambert, 

Langlois, 

Latulippe, 

Lloyd, 

Loney, 

Macdonald, 

Martin (Timmins), 

Mather, 

McCutcheon, 

McLean, 

McMillan, 

(Quorum 15) 



Mitchell, 

Moore, 

Nixon, 

Ormiston, 

Otto, 

Paul, 

Rock, 

Roxburgh, 

Simpson, 

Slogan, 

Southam, 

Tucker, 

Wahn, 

Webb, 

Webster, 

Willoughby— 50. 



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No. 4 






Banking and Commerce 






Messrs. 




Addison, 


Flemming, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Aiken, 


Grafftey, 


Nesbitt, 


Armstrong, 


Gray, 


Nowlan, 


Asselin (Notre-Dame-de- 


■ Gregoire, 


Nugent, 


Grace), 


Habel, 


Olson, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Hahn, 


Otto, 


Wolfe), 


Hamilton, 


Pascoe, 


Basford, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Ryan, 


Bell, 


Kelly, 


Rynard, 


Boulanger, 


Kindt, 


Sauve, 


Cadieux, 


Klein, 


Scott, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Skoreyko, 


Chaplin, 


Lloyd, 


Tardif, 


Chretien, 


McLean, 


Thomas, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Moreau, 


Thompson, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Monteith, 


Vincent — 50. 


Douglas, 


More, 




Emard, 


Morison, 

(Quorum 15) 









No. 5 








Public Accounts 






Messrs. 




Basford, 




Harkness, 


Rochon, 


Beaule, 




Lambert, 


Rock, 


Berger, 




Lessard ( Saint-Henri) , 


Rondeau, 


Cameron 


(Nanaimo- 


Loiselle, 


Ryan, 


Cowichan-The Islands) 


, McLean, 


Scott, 


Crouse, 




McNulty, 


Skoreyko, 


Drouin, 




Muir (Lisgar), 


Slogan, 


Dube, 




Noble, 


Smith, 


Eudes, 




Nowlan, 


Southam, 


Forbes, 




O'Keefe, 


Stefanson, 


Francis, 




Olson, 


Starr, 


Frenette, 




Pigeon, 


Tardif, 


Gendron, 




Pilon, 


Tucker, 


Godin, 




Regan, 


Valade, 


Gray, 




Ricard, 


Wahn, 


Habel, 




Richard, 


Winch, 


Hales, 




Rinfret, 

(Quorum 15) 


Woolliams — 50, 



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No. 6 
Agriculture and Colonization 





Messrs. 




Armstrong, 


Gendron, 


O'Keefe, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Groos, 


Olson, 


Wolfe), 


Gundlock, 


Ouellet, 


Barnett, 


Hamilton, 


Pennell, 


Bechard, 


Harkness, 


Peters, 


Beer, 


Honey, 


Pigeon, 


Berger, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Rapp, 


Bigg, 


Jorgenson, 


Ricard, 


Boutin, 


Kindt, 


Rochon, 


Cardiff, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Roxburgh, 


Crossman, 


Laverdiere, 


Smallwood, 


Cyr, 


Macaluso, 


Tardif, 


Danforth, 


MacLean, 


Temple, 


Dionne, 


Mather, 


Thomas, 


Drouin, 


Matheson, 


Vincent, 


Emard, 


Matte, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Enns, 


McBain, 


Watson (Chateauguay- 


Ethier, 


Mcintosh, 


Huntingdon-Laprairie) , 


Forest, 


Mullally, 


Whelan, 


Forgie, 


Nasserden, 


Willoughby— 60. 


Gauthier, 


Noble, 

(Quorum 20) 





Baldwin, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chapdelaine, 

Ethier, 

Forest, 

Girouard, 

Guay, 



No. 7 
Standing Orders 



Messrs. 



Horner (Jasper-Edson), Pugh, 

Kelly, Rinfret, 

Lessard (Saint-Henri), Rouleau, 

Loiselle, Southam, 

Mandziuk, Temple, 

More, Winch — 20. 
Morison, 

(Quorum S) 



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No. 8 






Marine and Fisheries 






Messrs. 




Armstrong, 


Foy, 


MacRae, 


Barnett, 


Girouard, 


Mather, 


Basford, 


Godin, 


McLean, 


Bechard, 


Granger, 


Mullally, 


Belanger, 


Groos, 


Noble, 


Cashin, 


Howard, 


Patterson, 


Chatterton, 


Irvine, 


Rheaume, 


Coates, 


Kennedy, 


Sauve, 


Crouse, 


Lachance, 


Stefanson, 


Cyr, 


Leduc, 


Tucker, 


Dube, 


MacLean, 


Whelan— 35, 


Flemming, 


Macquarrie, 

(Quorum 10) 









No. 9 






Mines, Fo: 

J 


rests and Waters 




Messrs. 




Alkenbrack, 


Gendron, 




Martin, ( Timmins ) , 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Godin, 




Martineau, 


Wolfe), 


Granger, 




Mitchell, 


Berger, 


Habel, 




Moreau, 


Blouin, 


Harley, 




Otto, 


Cadieu, 


Herridge, 




Rheaume, 


Cadieux, 


Irvine, 




Rideout, 


Cyr, 


Langlois, 




Roxburgh, 


Deachman, 


Laprise, 




Simpson, 


Dinsdale, 


Leboe, 




Watson (Chateauguay- 


Doucett, 


Leduc, 




Huntingdon-Laprairie ) 


Fleming, 


Loney, 




—35 


Flemming, 


Maclnnis, 








(Quorum 10) 





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No. 10 
Industrial Relations 



Barnett, 

Basford, 

Bell, 

Chaplin, 

Chretien, 

Cyr, 

Dionne, 

Foy, 

Frenette, 

Godin, 

Grafftey, 

Gray, 

Greene, 



Aiken, 
Cowan, 
Eudes, 
Forgie, 



Balcer, 

Brewin, 

Brown, 

Cashin, 

Chapdelaine, 

Choquette, 

Deachman, 

Dube, 

Fairweather, 

Fleming, 

Forest, 

Gelber, 



Messrs. 




Habel, 


Mitchell, 


Irvine, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Knowles, 


North and Victoria) 


Lachance, 


Noble, 


Laverdiere, 


Orlikow, 


Lessard (Saint-Henri), 


Regan, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Ricard, 


Jean), 


Rideout, 


Maclnnis, 


Sauve, 


Mackasey, 


Starr, 


McNulty, 


Stenson, 


Millar, 


Weichel— 35. 


(Quorum 10) 




No. 11 




Debates 




Messrs. 




Howard, 


Martineau, 


Lambert, 


Nixon, 


Langlois, 


Paul, 


Leduc, 


Rouleau — 12. 


(Quorum 7) 




No. 12 




External Affairs 





Messrs. 

Girouard, 

Herridge, 

Klein, 

Knowles, 

Konantz (Mrs.), 

Lachance, 

MacEwan, 

MacRae, 

Macquarrie, 

Mandziuk, 

Martineau, 

Matheson, 

(Quorum 10) 



Nesbitt, 

Nixon, 

Nugent, 

Pennell, 

Regan, 

Richard, 

Rinfret, 

Thompson, 

Valade, 

Walker, 

Woolliams — 35. 



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No. 13 






Estimates 






Messrs. 




Armstrong, 


Francis, 


Nixon, 


Blouin, 


Grafftey, 


Nowlan, 


Boulanger, 


Guay, 


O'Keefe, 


Boutin, 


Hales, 


Orlikow, 


Brown, 


Honey, 


Otto, 


Cadieu, 


Howe (Hamilton South), 


Perron, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Howe (Wellington- 


Peters, 


Cantelon, 


Huron), 


Pilon, 


Cashin, 


Jorgenson, 


Plourde, 


Chatterton, 


Kelly, 


Richard, 


Coates, 


Korchinski, 


Rochon, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Lambert, 


Rondeau, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Leduc, 


Rouleau, 


Danforth, 


Loiselle, 


Roxburgh, 


Douglas, 


Madill, 


Rynard, 


Ethier, 


Mandziuk, 


Skoreyko, 


Eudes, 


Matte, 


Stefanson, 


Fane, 


McCutcheon, 


Tardif, 


Fleming, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Whelan— 60 


Forest, 


Mullally, 




Forgie, 


Nasserden, 

(Quorum 20) 







No. 14 






Veterans Affairs 






Messrs. 




Bigg, 


Lambert, 


Morison, 


Boulanger, 


Laniel, 


O'Keefe, 


Cadieux, 


Laprise, 


Perron, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Latulippe, 


Peters, 


Clancy, 


MacEwan, 


Pilon, 


Emard, 


Maclnnis, 


Prittie, 


Fane, 


Mackasey, 


Pugh, 


Forgie, 


MacLean, 


Rideout, 


Gelber, 


Matheson, 


Rock, 


Greene, 


Madill, 


Temple, 


Groos, 


Mcintosh, 


Webb, 


Harley, 


Millar, 


Weichel, 


Herridge, 


Moreau, 


Winkler — 40 


Kelly, 


(Quorum 15) 




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No. 15 

Printing 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 



Boutin, 

Cardiff, 

Choquette, 

Clancy, 

Cooper, 

Cowan, 

Drouin, 

Ethier, 



Messrs. 



Kennedy, 

Lamb, 

Latulippe, 

Laverdiere, 

Loiselle, 

Macaluso, 

Moreau, 

Ormiston, 



Pascoe, 

Pilon, 

Prittie, 

Richard, 

Rochon, 

Scott, 

Simpson — 23. 



No. 16 

Library of Parliament 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 



Baldwin, 

Brown, 

Cadieux, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chatterton, 

Choquette, 

Cote (Longueuil), 



Mr. Speaker and Messrs. 

Crossman, Macquarrie, 

Enns, Martineau, 

Fairweather, Mullally, 

Fisher, Ouellet, 

Honey, Pennell, 

Horner (Jasper-Edson), Rondeau, 

Laniel, Wahn — 21. 



On motion of Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, it was resolved, — 
That the Standing Committees of this House be severally empowered to examine 
and inquire into all such matters and things as may be referred to them by 
the House; and to report from time to time their observations and opinions 
thereon, with power to send for persons, papers and records. 



On motion of Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, it was ordered, — 
That Messages be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours that this House 
will unite with them in the formation of Joint Committees of both Houses on 
the subject of Printing of Parliament, and the direction of the Library of 
Parliament; and that the Members to serve on each of the Committees, on the 
part of this House, will be as contained in the First Report of the Special 
Committee presented this day. 



Mr. Chevrier, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copies of correspondence with the Premier of the Province of Quebec 
concerning the Act respecting the Observance of the Centennial of Confedera- 
tion in Canada, exchanged during the period October 4, 1961 to June 18, 1963, 
inclusive. (English and French). 



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The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That a joint committee of the Senate and House of Commons be appointed 
to enquire into and report upon the problem of consumer credit, more par- 
ticularly but not so as to restrict the generality of the foregoing to enquire 
into and report upon the operation of Canadian legislation in relation thereto; 

That twenty-four members of the House of Commons to be designated 
by the House at a later date, be members of the joint committee, and that 
standing order 67(1) of the House of Commons be suspended in relation 
thereto; 

That the said committee have power to call for persons, papers and records 
and examine witnesses; and to report from time to time and to print such 
papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the committee 
and that standing order 66 be suspended in relation thereto; and that a message 
be sent to the Senate requesting that House to unite with this House for the 
above purpose, and to select, if the Senate deems it advisable, some of its 
members to act on the proposed joint committee. — The Solicitor General. 



The Order being read for the Second Reading of Bill C-74, An Act 
respecting the Department of Industry; 

Mr. Chevrier for Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time. 



And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 

Bill S-19, An Act to incorporate The Union of Slavic Churches of Evan- 
gelical Christians and Slavic Baptists of Canada, was read the second time and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1, 2, and 3 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-15, An Act to amend 
the Railway Act (Responsibility for Dislocation Costs) ; 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 
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154 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Denis, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the said bill be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter 
thereof be referred to the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Tele- 
graph Lines. 

And the question being put on the said amendment, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read the second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals 
and Telegraph Lines. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Chevrier for Mr. 
Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Bill C-74, An Act respecting the 
Department of Industry, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — 

That, when this House adjourns tomorrow (Friday), it shall stand ad- 
journed until Tuesday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m.; 

That, on Tuesday next, an Order for House in Committee of Supply shall 
be the first Order of the Day; 

That proceedings on the motion, "That Mr. Speaker do now leave the 
Chair" and on any amendments thereto shall be disposed of as follows: 

Tuesday, July 2: — 

(a) Question to be put on the subamendment, if any, at 9.30 p.m. and then 
on the amendment; 

(b) If there be no subamendment, question to be put on amendment, if any, 
at 9.45 p.m.; 

Wednesday, July 3: — 

If main motion not previously disposed of, question to be put thereon at 
5.45 p.m. and, if resolved in the affirmative, proceedings to be as provided for 
in Standing Order 56(5) (a); and 

That the appointed hours for Private Members Business on Tuesday and 
Wednesday next be deferred. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
the Vocational Rehabilitation of Disabled Persons Act, for the year ended March 
31, 1963, pursuant to section 12 of the said Act, chapter 26, Statutes of Canada, 
1960-61. 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report entitled: "Canada and the United Nations, 1961". (English and French). 



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By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated June 5, 1963, for a copy of all letters and other com- 
munications received by the Prime Minister, dated since April 22, 1963, concern- 
ing the need for an increase in the pensions of former employees of the Canadian 
National Railways, retired prior to April 1, 1962, and the replies thereto. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 10). 



At 10.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 






The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Chevrier for Mr. 
Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Bill C-74, An Act respecting the 
Department of Industry, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole and, progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-20, An Act respecting General Mortgage Service Corporation of 
Canada. — Mr. Wahn. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 
Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



158 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The Order being read for the Second Reading of Bill C-12, An Act to amend 
the Bankruptcy Act (Wage Earners' Assignments) ; 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Chevrier, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Director of Investigation and Research, Combines Investigation Act, for the 
year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 44 of the said Act, chapter 314, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Defence 
Construction (1951) Limited, including its Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant 
to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C. 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, — Report of the Canadian Commercial Corporation, includ- 
ing its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for 
the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, — Report of Canadian Arsenals Limited, including its Ac- 
counts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the 
year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, — Report of Crown Assets Disposal Corporation, including 
its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the 
year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 14 of the Surplus Crown Assets 
Act, chapter 260, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration 
Act, chapter 116, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, — Report of Atomic Energy of Canada Limited, including 
its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for 
the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, — Report of the Atomic Energy Control Board of Canada for 
the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 21(1) of the Atomic Energy 
Control Act, chapter 11, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Tuesday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Special Order made 
Thursday, June 27, 1963. 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Seven petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Chevrier, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-993, dated June 27, 1963, concern- 
ing the transfer of certain powers, duties and functions relating to civil emer- 
gency planning, under the Public Service Re-arrangement and Trans- 
fer of Duties Act, from the Prime Minister and the Minister of National Health 
and Welfare to the Minister of Defence Production; effective July 1, 1963, and 
amending the Civil Defence Order, 1959, made by Order in Council P.C. 656 
of May 28, 1959. 



Mr. Mcintosh, seconded by Mr. Rapp, by leave of the House introduced 
Bill C-79, An Act to amend the War Veterans Allowance Act, 1952, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Pursuant to Special Order made Thursday, June 27, 1963, the Order for 
the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply being read for the first time 
in accordance with Standing Order 56(2); 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair. 

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160 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, moved in amendment thereto, 
— That all the words after "That" be struck out and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"this House regrets that the government by its failure to clarify 
many doubts and uncertainties in some of its economic policies has created 
and continues to create confusion and chaos in various sectors of the 
economy, thereby contributing to a lamentable slowing down of expected 
expansion and growth." 



A point of order having been raised by the Secretary of State (Mr. 
Picker sgill) to the effect that the amendment was out of order in that it sought 
to introduce a motion, the purport of which was similar to that disposed of 
during the debate on the Budget. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: I have before me the wording of the motion which the 
honourable Member for Digby-Annapolis-Kings (Mr. Nowlan) moved at the 
time of the Budget Debate. In particular, paragraph two of that motion reads: 
"That in general his proposals will endanger and curtail the expansion of the 
economy;" 

The Secretary of State (Mr. Pickersgill) raises a very fine distinction, and 
Bourinot's Parliamentary Procedure, 4th Edition, at page 420, says in part: 
"The ordinary rules of debate are applicable on this occasion; for instance, a 
matter already decided by the House, or of which notice has been given, or 
which stands upon the orders of the day, cannot be discussed;" 

The distinction is a very fine distinction indeed. The motion moved by the 
Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker) and seconded by the honourable 
Member for Digby-Annapolis-Kings (Mr. Nowlan), while being very close 
to the Budget motion, does contain a certain element that has to be considered, 
namely: "that the government, by its failure to clarify many doubts and un- 
certainties in some of its economic policies — " If we were not about to discuss 
the Budget at some future time this motion would stand on its own feet. There- 
fore, in the present circumstances I feel that the benefit of the doubt should 
be given to the opposition in this case and that the motion is in order. The 
amendment as moved reads: "this House regrets that the government by its 
failure to clarify many doubts and uncertainties in some of its economic policies 
has created and continues to create confusion and chaos in various sectors 
of the economy thereby contributing to a lamentable slowing down of expected 
expansion and growth." 

May I say in closing that I hope we will be sticking to the "many doubts and 
uncertainties", rather than indulge at this time in a Budget Debate. 



And debate arising on the said proposed amendment; 

Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amended by striking out all the 
words after the word "government" and by substituting therefor the following 
words: 

"has failed to introduce the kind of economic planning that would 
promote economic growth and full employment, and more particularly 



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161 



has failed to institute a large-scale program of housing and public works, 
to create more effective consumer demand, and to introduce a system of 
parity prices for primary products." 

The Deputy Speaker (Mr. Lamoureux) ruled the subamendment out of 
order on the ground that it was irrelevant to the main amendment as it in- 
troduced a new question not covered in or related to the amendment. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Burnaby-Coquitlam (Mr. Douglas), 
appealed to the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by the Deputy Speaker: "Shall the decision of 
the Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 
division: 



Alkenbrack, 

Asselin (Notre- 
Dame-de-Grace), 

Asselin (Richmond- 
Wolfe), 

Badanai, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Basford, 

Batten, 

Bechard, 

Belanger, 

Bell, 

Benidickson, 

Benson, 

Berger, 

Cadieux, 

Cantelon, 

Cantin, 

Caouette, 

Cardiff, 

Cardin, 

Caron, 

Carter, 

Cashin, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chatterton, 

Chevrier, 

Churchill, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Cote (Chicoutimi), 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Danforth, 

Deachman, 

Denis, 

Deschatelets, 

Dionne, 

Doucett, 

Drouin, 

Drury, 

Dupuis, 

Emard, 

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Messrs: 




Ethier, 


Lamontagne, 


Nowlan, 


Fane, 


Laprise, 


Nugent, 


Favreau, 


Laverdiere, 


O'Keefe, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Leboe, 


Olson, 


Revelstoke), 


Leduc, 


Ouellet, 


Forbes, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Pascoe, 


Forest, 


Jean), 


Pennell, 


Foy, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Pepin, 


Francis, 


Henri), 


Pickersgill, 


Frenette, 


Loiselle, 


Pigeon, 


Garland, 


Loney, 


Pilon, 


Gauthier, 


Macaluso, 


Pugh, 


Gelber, 


Macdonald, 


Rapp, 


Gendron, 


Maclnnis, 


Ricard, 


Girouard, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rideout, 


Godin, 


MacNaught, 


Rinfret, 


Gordon, 


McBain, 


Robichaud, 


Grafftey, 


McCutcheon, 


Rock, 


Granger, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Gray, 


Mcintosh, 


Sauve, 


Gregoire, 


McMillan, 


Sharp, 


Groos, 


McNulty, 


Skoreyko, 


Guay, 


McWilliam, 


Smallwood, 


Gundlock, 


Madill, 


Smith, 


Habel, 


Martineau, 


Starr, 


Haidasz, 


Matheson, 


Stefanson, 


Harkness, 


Matte, 


Stenson, 


Harley, 


Millar, 


Tardif, 


Hays, 


Mitchell, 


Temple, 


Hellyer, 


Monteith, 


Thomas, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Moore, 


Thompson, 


Huron), 


Moreau, 


Tremblay, 


Irvine, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Tucker, 


Jewett (Miss), 


North and 


Vincent, 


Jorgenson, 


Victoria), 


Watson 


Klein, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


(Chateauguay 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Mullally, 


Huntingdon- 


Korchinski, 


Munro, 


Laprairie), 


Laing, 


Nasserden, 


Webb, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nesbitt, 


Weichel, 


Lamb, 


Nixon, 


Whelan, 


Lambert, 


Noble, 


Winkler— 158. 



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Nays 
Messrs: 



Barnett, 
Brewin, 
Cameron (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 



Douglas, 
Herridge, 
Howe (Hamilton 
South), 



Knowles, Peters, 

Martin (Timmins), Prittie, 

Mather, Webster, 

Orlikow. Winch — 14. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And on the proposed amendment of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. 
Nowlan, — That all the words after "That" be struck out and the following sub- 
stituted therefor: 

"this House regrets that the government by its failure to clarify 
many doubts and uncertainties in some of its economic policies has 
created and continues to create confusion and chaos in various sectors of 
the economy, thereby contributing to a lamentable slowing down of 
expected expansion and growth." 

And debate continuing; at 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Special Order made Thursday, June 27, 1963; 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment; it was 
negatived on the following division: 







Yeas 








Messrs: 




Alkenbrack, 


Flemming, 


McCutcheon, 


Pascoe, 


Balcer, 


Forbes, 


Mcintosh, 


Peters, 


Baldwin, 


Gundlock, 


Madill, 


Pigeon, 


Barnett, 


Harkness, 


Marcoux, 


Prittie, 


Bell, 


Herridge, 


Martineau, 


Pugh, 


Bigg, 


Howe (Hamiltor 


l Mather, 


Rapp, 


Brewin, 


South), 


Millar, 


Ricard, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Howe (Wellington- Monteith, 


Skoreyko, 


Cowichan-The 


Huron), 


Moore, 


Smallwood, 


Islands), 


Irvine, 


More, 


Smith, 


Cantelon, 


Jorgenson, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Starr, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Knowles, 


North and 


Stefanson, 


Chatterton, 


Korchinski, 


Victoria), 


Stenson, 


Churchill, 


Lamb, ■ 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Thomas, 


Coates, 


Lambert, 


Nasserden, 


Vincent, 


Cooper, 


Loney, 


Nesbitt, 


Webb, 


Danforth, 


MacEwan, 


Noble, 


Webster, 


Diefenbaker, 


Maclnnis, 


Nowlan, 


Weichel, 


Doucett, 


MacLean (Queens), Nugent, 


Winch, 


Douglas, 


McBain, 


Orlikow, 


Winkler— 7 


Fleming, 




Nays 
Messrs: 




Asselin (Notre- 


Basford, 


Benson, 


Cadieux, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Batten, 


Berger, 


Cantin, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Bechard, 


Blouin, 


Caouette, 


Wolfe), 


Belanger, 


Boulanger, 


Cardin, 


Badanai, 


Benidickson, 


Boutin, 


Caron, 



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Carter, 


Greene, 


Lessard 


Pickersgill, 


Cashin, 


Gregoire, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Pilon, 


Chevrier, 


Groos, 


Lessard 


Regan, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Guay, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Richard, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Habel, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Deachman, 


Haidasz, 


Macaluso, 


Rinfret, 


Denis, 


Harley, 


Macdonald, 


Robichaud, 


Deschatelets, 


Hays, 


MacEachen, 


Rochon, 


Drury, 


Hellyer, 


MacNaught, 


Rock, 


Emard, 


Honey, 


Mcllraith, 


Rondeau, 


Ethier, 


Howard, 


McMillan, 


Roxburgh, 


Favreau, 


Jewett (Miss), 


McNulty, 


Ryan, 


Forest, 


Kelly, 


McWilliam, 


Sauve, 


Forgie, 


Klein, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Sharp, 


Foy, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Matheson, 


Tardif, 


Francis, 


Lachance, 


Matte, 


Temple, 


Frenette, 


Laing, 


Mitchell, 


Thompson, 


Garland, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Moreau, 


Tremblay, 


Gauthier, 


Lamoureux, 


Mullally, 


Tucker, 


Gelber, 


Langlois, 


Munro, 


Watson 


Gendron, 


Laniel, 


O'Keefe, 


(Chateauguay- 


Girouard, 


Laprise, 


Olson, 


(Huntingdon- 


Godin, 


Latulippe, 


Ouellet, 


Laprairie), 


Gordon, 


Laverdiere, 


Pennell, 


Whelan— 115. 


Granger, 


Leboe, 


Pepin, 




Gray, 


Leduc, 


Perron, 





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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital 
Budget of the National Capital Commission for the year ending March 31, 1964, 
pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement on the 
Operations of the Civil Service Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 21(2) of the said Act, chapter 49, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated June 26, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a 
copy of the minutes of the proceedings and transcript of evidence of the hearings 
of the Board of Broadcast Governors, dealing with an application of the C.B.C. 
for an increase in the effective radiated power, a change in channel and a change 
of antenna site of station CBWT, Winnipeg, Manitoba. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 34). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated June 26, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of the Treasury Board minutes 
respecting the appointments of the four persons named by the Minister of 
Finance in statements to the House as having had knowledge of the contents 
of the Budget speech before delivery and a copy of the Orders in Council vali- 
dating such appointments.^- (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 36). 



164 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated June 12, 1963, 
for a copy of all letters and other communications received by the Prime Minister 
since April 22, 1963, from the Canadian Corps Association on the subject of the 
Canadian Flag, and all replies by the Prime Minister or by members of his 
staff to such communications. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 17). 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 3rd JULY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-16, An Act to authorize the Construction and Main- 
tenance of a Bridge and Tunnel across the St. Lawrence River at the Boucher- 
ville Islands, in the Province of Quebec, to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Ouellet be substituted for that of Mr. Girouard on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands) be substituted for 
that of Mr. Cameron (High Park) on the Standing Committee on Banking and 
Commerce. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Webster be added to the list of Members on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 



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No. 243— Mr. Perron 

1. Since the coming into force of the Technical and Vocational Training 
Assistance Act, what amounts has the government expended, by provinces, for 
(a) capital expenditures (5) training unemployed persons (c) training persons 
in regular secondary schools (d) training technicians in technological insti- 
tutes (e) training teachers and instructors (/) training apprentices (g) train- 
ing persons over the regular school-leaving age (h) research programs? 

2. Has the government received from the Government of Quebec a request 
or requests for the extension of these agreements and, if so, what answer 
did the government give? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 750 — Mr. Pigeon 

1. For each province, what is the number of national parks, and their 
total area? 

2. What was the cost to the government for these national parks during 
the last 10 years? 

3. What steps should be taken by a provincial government which is 
interested in the establishment of a national park? 

4. Is any one department charged with the responsibility of reviewing 
requests for national park development and, if so (a) how many requests have 
been received from the provinces since 1960 (b) which provinces made 
requests? 

Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 



On motion of Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Grafftey, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence and reports on the 
site of the 1967 World's Fair exchanged between the government and the 
following other governments or bodies concerned: (a) International Joint 
Commission (b) St. Lawrence Seaway Authority (United States and Canada) 
(c) St. Lawrence River Pilots' Association (d) National Harbours Board (e) 
Canadian National Railways (f) Quebec-Hydro (g) City of Verdun (h) Cana- 
dian Association for the protection of birds (i) Department of Transport (j) 
Town of Saint Lambert (k) Government of the Province of Quebec (I) Cana- 
dian World Exhibition Corporation. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 12). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 26, 27, 40, and 41) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Stef anson, seconded by Mr. Smallwood, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence 
and other documents and any replies thereto received by the Prime Minister, 
the Minister of Finance or any government officials protesting the new 11% 
sales tax on building material, machinery and equipment. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 38). 



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On motion of Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Scott, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House copies of all letters addressed to the Prime 
Minister and the Minister of Finance protesting the imposition of the 11% 
sales tax on building materials and machinery. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 42). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all communications, memoranda, 
etc., dated since June 13, 1963, received by the government or by any Minister 
thereof, with reference to the proposed extensions of the 11% sales tax, and a 
copy of all replies made thereto by any such Minister. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 43). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all directives or memoranda 
issued by the Department of National Revenue since June 13, 1963, explain- 
ing or interpreting any of the provisions of the budget presented on that date 
or any budgetary decisions made subsequent thereto. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 44). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all directives or memoranda 
issued by the Department of National Revenue since June 13, 1963, dealing 
with procedures to be followed in claiming deductions for income tax purposes 
with respect to expense accounts. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 45). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And debate continuing; at 5.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Special Order made Thursday, June 27, 1963; 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The estimates of six departments were first taken up and entered for con- 
sideration, pursuant to Standing Order 56(5) (a), as follows: 

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 
1 Departmental Administration $ 7,648,800 00 

LABOUR 

1 Departmental Administration including grants as detailed 
in the Estimates and the expenses of the International 
Labour Conferences 1,290,400 00 



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NATIONAL HEALTH AND WELFARE 
1 Departmental Administration 1,973,500 00 

PUBLIC WORKS 

1 General Administration including a grant of $2,000 to 

the Canadian Good Roads Association 10,695,000 00 

TRADE AND COMMERCE 

1 Departmental Administration including fees for member- 
ship in the International Organizations listed in the 
Details of the Estimates and $25,000 for grants to pro- 
mote industrial design 5,288,800 00 

TRANSPORT 

1 Departmental Administration 3,388,600 00 

To be reported. 



Report received and the Committee of Supply obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of Bill 
S-3, An Act to amend the Export and Import Permits Act; 

Mr. Pickersgill, for Mr. Sharp, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Atlantic Development Board Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
Atlantic Development Board Act to increase the number of members of the 
Atlantic Development Board from five to eleven; to establish as a separate 
account in the Consolidated Revenue Fund an Atlantic Development Fund to 
which shall be credited the sum of one hundred million dollars to be used for 
the purpose of financing or assisting in financing programs or projects that 
would contribute to the growth and development of the economy of the Atlantic 
region and for which satisfactory financing arrangements are not otherwise 



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available; and to provide that the said Act shall expire on the 24th day of 
January, 1969; and to provide further for certain changes in connection with 
the administration of the said Act. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave of the House, pre- 
sented Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Atlantic Development Board Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of Wednes- 
day, June 26, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Canadian Maritime Commission for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 13 of the Canadian Maritime Commission Act, chapter 38, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Robichaud, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Fisheries Prices Support Board for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 7 of the Fisheries Prices Support Act, chapter 120, R.S.C. 1952. 

By Mr. Teillet, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Army Benevolent Fund Board for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 13 of the Army Benevolent Fund Act, chapter 10, R.S.C, 1952, including 
its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General. 

Fifth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on July 2 meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Leonard A. Quarnstrom, of the City of Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, and 
eight others, for an Act to incorporate "The Evangelical Covenant Church of 
Canada". — Mr. Nasserden. 

John Atkinson, and five others, all of the City of Toronto, Ontario, for an 
Act to incorporate "Allstate Life Insurance Company of Canada". — Mr. Ryan. 

The Crown Life Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incor- 
poration changing its name to "Crown Life Insurance Company", and author- 
izing it to use, in the transaction of its business, either the name "Crown Life 
Insurance Company" and/or "La Compagnie d'Assurance-Vie Crown Life". — 
Mr. Addison. 



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The Canadian Manufacturers' Association for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, 
either the name "The Canadian Manufacturers' Association" and/or "L'Associa- 
tion des manufacturiers canadiens". — Mr. Wahn. 

James Vincent Ryan, and seven others, all of the City of St. John's, New- 
foundland, and Patrick J. Tobin, of the Town of Bishop's Falls, Newfoundland, 
for an Act to incorporate "The Railway Employees' Welfare Association Lim- 
ited". — Mr. Cashin. 

The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance Company for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance Com- 
pany" and/or "La Compagnie d'Assurance du Canada contre les Accidents et 
l'lncendie". — Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace) . 

Robert H. Belanger of the City of Ottawa, Ontario, and two others, for an 
Act to incorporate "Les Scouts Catholiques du Canada". — Mr. Tardif. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fourth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

John Atkinson, and five others, all of the City of Toronto, Ontario, for an 
Act to incorporate "Allstate Life Insurance Company of Canada". 

The Board of Trade of Metropolitan Toronto for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation deleting the proviso limiting the Corporation's power to hold 
lands to a greater value in the whole than seven hundred and fifty thousand 
dollars. 

The Canadian Manufacturers' Association for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, 
either the name "The Canadian Manufacturers' Association" and/or "L'Asso- 
ciation des manufacturiers canadiens". 

Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation to convert it from a mutual to a capital stock company. 

The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Canada for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation changing its name to "Eastern Canada Synod of the Lutheran 
Church in America", and for other purposes. 

Gordon Peter Campbell and four others, all of the City of Toronto, Ontario, 
for an Act to incorporate "Kinross Mortgage Corporation". 

The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Can- 
ada" and/or "La Souveraine, Compagnie d' Assurance-Vie du Canada". 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Forgie, from the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs, presented 
the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation 
thereto. 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 members and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (n) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Forgie, seconded by Mr. Groos, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 
members and that Standing Order 65(1) (c) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Rox- 
burgh, the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Chretien, seconded by Mr. Blouin, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-81, An Act respecting the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



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The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-16, An Act to authorize the Construction and Maintenance of a 
Bridge and Tunnel across the St. Lawrence River at the Boucherville Islands, 
in the Province of Quebec. — Mr. Deschatelets. 

Bill C-74, An Act respecting the Department of Industry, was again con- 
sidered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-12, An Act respecting Ukrainian National Federation of Canada, was 
read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous 
Private Bills. 



The Order being read for the Second Reading of Bill S-20, An Act respect- 
ing General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada; 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. McWilliam, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 and 6 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order for the second reading of Bill C-18, An Act to grant Amnesty 
to and Confirm the Rights of Asians, Africans and other Persons subject to 
Racial Discrimination whose Admission to Canada may have been irregular 
or illegal, having been read and not proceeded with, it dropped to the foot of 
the list on the Order Paper. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-20, An Act to amend 
the Annual Vacations Act; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Barnett, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 






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Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the said bill be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter 
thereof be referred to the Standing Committee on Industrial Relations. 

And the question being put on the said amendment, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read the second time, but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Standing Committee on Industrial Relations. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-74, 
An Act respecting the Department of Industry, which was reported with 
amendments, considered as amended, and ordered for a third reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Administration of the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act for the 
year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 18 of the said Act, chapter 329, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the Farm 
Credit Corporation, including its Accounts and Financial Statements certified 
by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to sections 
85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 



At 10.28 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 

Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de- Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the First Report of the said Committee, 
which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto; and 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 12 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (d) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Asselin, seconded by Mr. Basford, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Cote (Longueuil) and Cadieux be substituted for those 
of Messrs. Pilon and Macaluso on the Joint Committee on Printing; and 

That a message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Pilon, Gelber, and Macaluso be substituted for those of 
Mr. Cote (Longueuil), Mrs. Konantz, and Mr. Cadieux on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Banking and Commerce. 



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On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Pennell be substituted for that of Mr. Gelber on the Standing 
Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mrs. Konantz be substituted for that of Mr. Pennell on the Joint 
Committee on the Library; and 

That a message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that at 8.00 o'clock p.m., on Monday 
next the House shall revert to "Motions". 

Bill C-74, An Act respecting the Department of Industry, was read the 
third time, on division, and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolutions were adopted (less the amount voted in Interim 
Supply) : 

MAIN ESTIMATES, 1963-64 

TRADE AND COMMERCE 

A — Department 

General Administration 

1 Departmental Administration including fees for member- 
ship in the International Organizations listed in the 
Details of the Estimates and $25,000 for grants to 
promote industrial design $ 5,288,800 00 

Trade Commissioner Service — 

5 Administration and Operation 6,011,000 00 

10 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Land, 

Equipment and Furnishings 68,000 00 

15 Exhibitions Branch . .' 1,429,900 00 

20 Standards Branch 3,026,800 00 

25 Dominion Bureau of Statistics including the fee for mem- 

bership in the Inter-American Statistical Institute, 
a contribution of $500 to the International Statistical 
Institute and a grant of $30,000 to assist in defraying 
the expenses of the 1963 International Statistical 
Institute Conference to be held in Canada 11,328,900 00 

26 1961 Decennial Census of Canada 1,122,200 00 

28 Canadian Government Travel Bureau — To assist in 

promoting the Tourist Business in Canada including a 
grant of $37,000 to the Canadian Tourist Association 
(formerly under Northern Affairs and National 
Resources) 3,656,300 00 



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B — General 
National Energy Board 
30 Administration 634,000 00 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (A), 1963-64 

TRADE AND COMMERCE 

A — Department 

General Administration 

10a Trade Commissioner Service — 

Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Lands, 

Equipment and Furnishings 80,000 00 

17a Canadian Participation in the Universal and International 

Exhibition, Montreal, 1967 130,000 00 

28a Canadian Government Travel Bureau 123,000 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following Bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-22, An Act to incorporate Fidelity Mortgage and Savings Corpora- 
tion. — Mr. Morison. 

Bill S-21, An Act to incorporate Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras 
Shevchenko. — Mr. Mandziuk. 

Bill S-24, An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Canada. — 
Mr. Winkler. 

Bill S-23, An Act respecting The Canada Board of American Missions of 
The United Lutheran Church in America. — Mr. Winkler. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Operations of the Vet- 
erans' Business and Professional Loans Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 13 of the said Act, chapter 278, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Gordon, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Operations of the Fisheries Improvement Loans Act for the year 
ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 12(2) of the said Act, Chapter 46, 
Statutes of Canada, 1955. (English and French). 



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By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report respecting 
the Operations of the Agreements and Payments made to the Provinces under 
the Crop Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 
10 of the said Act, chapter 42, Statutes of Canada, 1959. (English and French). 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East) a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report on the Activities of the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United 
Nations for the year 1962-63, pursuant to section 3 of the Food and Agriculture 
Organization of the United Nations Act, chapter 122, R.S.C., 1952. (English 
and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated June 5, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of the recommendation of the International North Pacific Fisheries 
Commission in respect to the removal of the provision in the Annex to the 
Convention for abstention by Japan from fishing by the Japanese for halibut 
in the Eastern Bering Sea and herring in the offshore waters west of the 
Queen Charlotte Islands; and a copy of the notification by the Government of 
Canada to the Commission of acceptance of these recommendations; together 
with a copy of all correspondence exchanged between the Government and 
the Commission and, further a copy of all correspondence exchanged between 
the government and other individuals or organizations in respect to these 
recommendations. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 2). 



By unanimous consent, at 5.22 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Pickersgill, 
seconded by Mr. Churchill, the House adjourned until Monday next at 2.30 
o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Martineau, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-82, An Act respecting Atomic Energy of Canada Limited, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 362— Mr. Martineau 

1. What was the total amount spent in public works for the constituency 
of Pontiac-Temiscamingue for each of the fiscal years 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 
1961-62, and 1962-63? 

2. For what public works were these sums expended, giving for each fiscal 
year the amount spent on each individual project? 

3. What is the total amount to be spent for public works within the said 
constituency for the fiscal year 1963-64, giving for each project the nature of 
same and the sum to be spent thereupon? 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Northwest Territories Act, and progress 
having been made and reported the Committee obtained leave to consider it 
again later this day. 



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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That, in the opinion 
of this House, the government should consider the advisability of the creation 
of a Water Pollution Control Division, composed of representatives of 
the ten provinces, within the framework of the proposed National Resources 
Council, with powers and funds required to institute research programs, 
collect, collate, and analyse water control data, and to co-ordinate the water 
pollution control objectives for the provinces; in addition, to further the study 
of water pollution control problems of a national character. — (Notice of Motion 
No. 11). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Pursuant to Special Order made Friday, July 5, 1963, the House reverted 
to "Motions". 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copy of revised Budget Resolutions (Excise Tax Act and Income Tax Act). 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Northwest Territories Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the North- 
west Territories Act and to rename the said Territories, and to effect certain 
consequential changes in the statute law with respect thereto, inter alia to 
increase the number of elected members of the Council of the Territory from 
four to five, to establish a separate Territorial Revenue Fund and to provide 
for the transfer thereto of a portion of the amount standing to the credit of 
the Northwest Territories Revenue Account in the Consolidated Revenue Fund 
upon the coming into force of the said measure. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Laing, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-83, An Act to amend the Northwest Territories Act and to rename the 
said Territories, and to effect certain consequential changes in the Statute Law 
with respect thereto, which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



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The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to establish a new Territory under the name of Nunassiaq 
Territory. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to establish a new 
Territory under the name of Nunassiaq Territory and to provide for the govern- 
ment thereof and the administration of justice therein; to provide inter alia for 
the appointment of a Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner of the Territory, 
the establishment of a Council of the Territory, the appointment and election 
and the tenure of the members thereof, the sessional indemnities for the 
elected members and one of the appointed members thereof, the travelling 
and living expenses of the members thereof and the legislative powers of the 
Commissioner in Council; to provide also for the payment of territorial 
revenues into the Consolidated Revenue Fund and for the establishment therein 
of an account to be known as the Nunassiaq Revenue Account, to which shall 
be credited amounts equal to the territorial revenues paid from time to time 
into the Consolidated Revenue Fund and all moneys appropriated by Parlia- 
ment to be credited to the said Account; to provide also for the payment, out 
of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, of money required for the territorial 
purposes specified in ordinances of the Commissioner in Council or, until the 
establishment of the first Council of the Territory, in orders of the Commis- 
sioner, all such payments to be charged to the Nunassiaq Revenue Account; 
to provide also for the establishment of a Territorial Court and for the 
appointment of a judge and a deputy judge thereto; to provide also for the 
appointment of police magistrates in and for the Territory and for the fixing 
of their salaries and allowances; to provide also that the Governor in Council 
may appoint justices of the peace in and for the Territory and authorize 
payment of their remuneration and travelling and other expenses; and to 
provide further that the Governor in Council may appoint a Clerk of the Court, 
sheriff and such other officers as are deemed necessary for the administration 
of justice in the Territory and fix their salaries and allowances. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Laing, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-84, An Act respecting the Nunassiaq Territory, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated June 26, 1963, (Question No. 459) showing: 
1. What has been the index of those registering as out of work and seeking 
work at the Unemployment Insurance Commission offices in Fort William and 



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Port Arthur since January 1, 1958, month by month, in comparison to the total 
number of Unemployment Insurance Commission numbers registered, month 
by month? 

2. During this same period, month by month, how does this index compare 
with the provincial and national index? 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 9th JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Boulanger, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and 
Telegraph Lines, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was 
read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation 
thereto; and 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 20 to 15 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (b) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Boulanger, seconded by Mr. Foy, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be granted leave to sit while the House 
is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Roxburgh, 
the said Report was concurred in. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-80, An Act to amend 
the Atlantic Development Board Act; 

Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Robichaud, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-22, An Act to incor- 
porate Fidelity Mortgage and Savings Corporation; 

Mr. Morison, seconded by Mr. Walker, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-21, An Act to incor- 
porate Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras Shevchenko; 

Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. MacEwan, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-24, An Act respect- 
ing The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Canada; 

Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Crouse, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

Bill S-23, An Act respecting The Canada Board of American Missions of 
The United Lutheran Church in America, was read the second time and referred 
to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-16, An Act to Found 
and Constitute the Western Canada Veterinary College; 

Mr. Ormiston, seconded by Mr. Nasserden, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 9th JULY 185 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded 
by Mr. Robichaud, — That Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Atlantic Development 
Board Act, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of Proceedings under the 
Trans-Canada Highway Act for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 9 of the said Act, chapter 269, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Coun- 
cil P.C. 1963-898, dated June 13, 1963, entrusting to the Canadian National 
Railway Company the management and operation of two small parcels of land 
covered with water, under the jurisdiction of the Department of Transport, 
along the back harbour at Lunenburg, Nova Scotia, required for the construc- 
tion of a spur to serve the new plant of Lunenburg Sea Products Limited, pur- 
suant to section 19 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes 
of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Mcllraith,— Order in Council P.C. 1963-899, dated June 13, 1963, 
withdrawing from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company 
and authorizing the conveyance by Letters Patent to Canada Packers Limited 
for the sum of $33,422.22, a parcel of Canadian Government Railways land at 
Bridge, Quebec, containing 145,314 sq. ft., pursuant to section 19 of the Cana- 
dian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Mcllraith,— Order in Council P.C. 1963-901, dated June 13, 1963, 
withdrawing from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company and 
transferring the administration and control to the Province of New Brunswick 
for highway purposes, two parcels of Canadian Government Railways land near 
the City of Moncton, New Brunswick, containing 30 acres and 0.15 of an acre, 
pursuant to section 19 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Sta- 
tutes of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Mcllraith,— Order in Council P.C. 1963-902, dated June 13, 1963, 
withdrawing from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company and 
authorizing the conveyance by Letters Patent to the Corporation of the City 
of Moncton, New Brunswick, for the nominal sum of $1.00, two parcels of Cana- 
dian Government Railways land, containing 4.54 acres, in the Parish of Monc- 
ton, County of Westmorland, Province of New Brunswick, pursuant to section 
19 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 
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By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
F.C. 1963-920, dated June 14, 1963, authorizing under section 21a of the Export 
Credits Insurance Act long-term financing by the Export Credits Insurance 
Corporation for the sale by the Consolidated Mining and Smelting Company 
Limited of Montreal, Quebec, of engineering services and capital equipment 
for a zinc smelter and associated sulphuric acid plant to Cominco Binani Zinc 
Limited, Calcutta, India, pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, chapter 105, 
R.S.C. 1952, as amended 1960-61. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 









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No. 39 

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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 10th JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-27, An Act to incorporate Kinross Mortgage Corporation. — Mr. 
Francis. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Copy of an Agreement between the Government of Canada 
and the Province of British Columbia, dated July 8, 1963, relating to the Treaty 
between Canada and the United States for the Co-operative Development of 
the Water Resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed on the 17th day of 
January 1961. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said Agreement be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That, effective today and until 
Friday, July 19, 1963: 

( 1 ) Private Members' hours be suspended on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednes- 
days, and Fridays, and be devoted to government business; 



188 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(2) Private Bills be given precedence during the Private Members' hour 
on Thursdays; 

(3) On Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, the evening sittings shall be 
from 7.00 to 10.00 o'clock p.m.; and 

That Standing Orders 6 and 15(3) be suspended in relation thereto. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copies of letters exchanged, between the Clerk of the Privy Council 
and the Presidents of the Montreal and Toronto Stock Exchanges during the 
period June 22 to July 5, 1963, concerning transactions on the Stock Exchanges. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copies of replies received from the Provincial Premiers to a letter from the 
Prime Minister of Canada, dated May 15, 1963, concerning bilingualism and 
biculturalism. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said letters be printed as 
an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



The following Notices of Motions having been called were transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections be empowered 
to study the Canada Elections Act, and the several amendments thereto sug- 
gested by the Chief Electoral Officer; and to report to the House such proposals 
relating to the said Act as the Committee may deem to be advisable. — The 
Secretary of State. 

That a Sessional Committee on Railways, Air Lines and Shipping owned 
and controlled by the Government be appointed to consider the accounts, esti- 
mates and bills relating to the Canadian National Railways and Trans-Canada 
Air Lines and such other matters as may be placed before it, saving always the 
powers of the Committee of Supply in relation to the voting of public moneys, 
and that the said Committee be empowered to send for persons, papers and 
records, and to report from time to time, and that notwithstanding Standing 
Order 67 in relation to the limitation of the number of Members, the said Com- 
mittee shall consist of 26 Members. — The Minister of Transport. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following six Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 364 — Mr. Martineau 
In their specifications, is it the practice of the architects of the Department 
of Public Works or of other Departments or Crown Corporations to insist on 
hardwoods produced in other countries for furniture and woodwork required 
by the Government or Crown Corporations and, if so, what are the reasons for 
this practice? 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 10th JULY 189 

No. 700 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. What is the total number, the amounts involved, and the nature of 
bankruptcies in the Province of Quebec during the last five years, and who 
suffered the losses? 

2. What is the total number, the amounts involved, and the nature of 
bankruptcies in Canada and in each of the other provinces during the last 
five years, and who suffered the losses? 

Mr. Macdonald, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 739 — Mr. Orlikow 
Since January 1, 1939, have any persons or corporations been fined for in- 
fractions of the Combines Investigations Act or section 411 or 412 of the Criminal 
Code and, if so (a) what are the names of the persons or corporations so fined 
(b) what was the amount of the fine in each case (c) when was the fine imposed 
(d) what infractions occasioned the fine? 

Mr. Macdonald, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 759 — Mr. Orlikow 

1. How many functions were held at the Rideau Club by various govern- 
ment departments in the past three years? 

2. Which departments held such functions? 

No. 767 — Mr. Howe (Hamilton South) 

1. What is the National Research Council definition of a scientist? 

2. According to this definition, how many scientists are there in each 
department? 

3. What is the age and salary of each? 

Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 

No. 850 — Mr. Paul 

1. What were the total expenditures on public works in the constituency 
of Berthier-Maskinonge-Delanaudiere during each of the fiscal years 1958-59, 
1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62 and 1962-63? 

2. For each of these fiscal years, on what public works projects were 
expenditures made? 

3. During 1963-64, what is the estimated total expenditure for public works 
in the above constituency, indicating in each case the nature and the amount 
of the expenditure? 

On motion of Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Herridge, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of the long-term agreement signed by the 
Canadian Wheat Board and the China Resources Company covering the period 
June 1, 1961 to December 19, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 26) . 

On motion of Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Herridge, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 



190 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

cause to be laid before this House a copy of all contracts entered into between 
the Canadian Wheat Board and the China Resources Company for the sale of 
grain under the long-term agreement between the Canadian Wheat Board and 
the China Resources Company. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 27). 



On motion of Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Webster, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all agreements, correspondence 
or other documents exchanged between the Department of Defence Produc- 
tion or any other representative of the federal government and H. J. Fairfield 
Company Limited of Owen Sound for the cancellation of any contract or agree- 
ment for the supply of army socks. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 40). 

Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



On motion of Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint- Jean), it 
was ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying 
that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams and other documents exchanged between the government, the Minis- 
ter of Finance, employees of the Department of Finance or of any of its other 
branches, departments or employees, and any association, individual, organiza- 
tion, public body or group in connection with any protests on the withdrawal 
of the eleven per cent tax on building material. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 46). 



On motion of Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint- Jean), it 
was ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying 
that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams and other documents exchanged between the government, the Minis- 
ter of Finance, employees of the Department of Finance or of any of its other 
branches, departments or employees, and any association, individual, organiza- 
tion, public body or group in connection with any protests on the withdrawal 
of the thirty per cent tax on the sale of Canadian Shares to non-residents. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 47). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 48, 50, 51, and 52) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Grafftey, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters and telegrams 
exchanged between the Department of Transport and the Government of 
Quebec on the acquisition of Soulanges Canal. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 49). 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 10th JULY 191 

On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of the contracts entered into with Mr. D. C. 
H. Stanley, Mr. M. P. O'Connell and Mr. G. R. Conway, under Treasury Board 
Minute T.B. 610618, dated May 2, 1963, and a copy of the contract entered into 
with Mr. R. J. Anderson, under Treasury Board Minute T.B. 610952, dated May 
17, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 53). 



Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Atlantic Development Board Act, was 
again considered in Committee of the Whole, reported with an amendment, 
considered as amended, and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Corporation, including its Accounts and 
Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 
31, 1963, pursuant to sections 22 and 23(1) of the Canadian Overseas Telecom- 
munication Corporation Act, chapter 42, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 11th JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Second Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

1. Your Committee has considered the following bills and has agreed to 
report them without amendment: 

Bill S-17, An Act respecting Chartered Trust Company. 

Bill S-10, An Act respecting The Great West Life Assurance Company. 

Bill S- 9, An Act respecting Confederation Life Association. 

2. Your Committee has also considered Bill S-14, An Act respecting Canada 
Permanent Toronto General Trust Company, and has agreed to report it with 
the following amendment: 

Clause 1 

Delete the words "La Canada Permanent, Compagnie de Fiducie" and 
insert therefor the words "La Compagnie de Fiducie, Canada Permanent". 



Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Third Report of the said Committee, 
which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be authorized to sit while the House 
is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Asselin, seconded by Mr. Moreau, 
the said Report was concurred in. 

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Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Letter addressed by the Deputy Attorney General to the Deputy Minister of 
Finance, dated July 8, 1963, concerning arrangements under the Contracts 
Regulations made with the four special advisers to the Minister of Finance. 



The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-80, An Act to amend 
the Atlantic Development Board Act; 

Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-72, An Act to pro- 
vide for the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada; 

Mr. Lamontagne, for Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, 
— That the said bill be now read a second time; 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that Private Bills reported this day 
by the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce in its Second Report be 
considered immediately after Order No. 1. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-27, An Act to Incor- 
porate Kinross Mortgage Corporation; 

Mr. Francis, seconded by Mr. Forest, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, , the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



Bill S-17, An Act respecting Chartered Trust Company, was considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



Bill S-10, An Act respecting The Great- West Life Assurance Company, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the 
third time and passed. 



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195 



Bill S-9, An Act respecting Confederation Life Association, was considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



Bill S-14, An Act respecting Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust 
Company, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported with an amend- 
ment (as made in the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce) , and 
considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent the said bill was read the third time and passed. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 were allowed to stand at the request of the gov- 
ernment. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-17, An Act to amend 
the Railway Act (The Public's Royalties in Abandoned Railways) ; 

Mr. Speaker ruled the proposed Bill out of order on the grounds that as 
the bill involved an expenditure of public moneys it could only be proceeded 
with by a Minister on the recommendation of the Crown. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-19, An Act to 
establish the Office of Parliamentary Commissioner; 

Mr. Speaker ruled that as the bill contained money provisions it could 
not be introduced or proceeded with by a Private Member. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Red Deer (Mr. Thompson) ap- 
pealed to the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 







Yeas 








Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Cantelon, 


Deschatelets, 


Guay, 


Alkenbrack, 


Cardin, 


Dinsdale, 


Gundlock, 


Armstrong, 


Caron, 


Doucett, 


Habel, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Carter, 


Drury, 


Haidasz, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Chretien, 


Dupuis, 


Hahn, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Churchill, 


Emard, 


Hales, 


Wolfe), 


Clancy, 


Enns, 


Hays, 


Badanai, 


Coates, 


Ethier, 


Hellyer, 


Barnett, 


Cote (Longueuil) 


, Favreau, 


Herridge, 


Basford, 


Cowan, 


Forbes, 


Honey, 


Bechard, 


Crossman, 


Forgie, 


Irvine, 


Benson, 


Crouse, 


Garland, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Berger, 


Cyr, 


Gelber, 


Kindt, 


Blouin, 


Danforth, 


Gendron, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Brown, 


Davis, 


Granger, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Byrne, 


Deachman, 


Gray, 


Lamontagne, 


Cadieux, 


Denis, 


Greene, 


Lamoureux, 



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Laniel, 


Matheson, 


Paul, 


Tardif, 


Layerdiere, 


Matte, 


Pennell, 


Teillet, 


Leduc, 


Millar, 


Pepin, 


Temple, 


Lessard (Saint-Henri),Mitchell, 


Pickersgill, 


Thomas, 


Macaluso, 


Moreau, 


Pilon, 


Tremblay, 


Macdonald, 


Morison, 


Pugh, 


Tucker, 


MacEachen, 


Muir (Cape '. 


Breton Rapp, 


Vincent, 


MacEwan, 


North and 


Ricard, 


Wahn, 


Maclnnis, 


Victoria), 


Rinfret, 


Walker, 


Mackasey, 


Mullally, 


Robichaud, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


MacLean (Queens), 


Munro, 


Rouleau, 


Watson 


MacNaught, 


Nasserden, 


Ryan. 


(Chateauguay- 


Macquarrie, 


Nicholson, 


Sauve, 


Huntingdon- 


Mcllraith, 


Noble, 


Sharp, 


Laprairie), 


McMillan, 


Nugent, 


Starr, 


Weichel, 


McNulty, 


O'Keefe, 


Stefanson, 


Whelan, 


McWilliam, 


Ormiston, 


Stenson, 


Winkler, 


Madill, 


Otto, 


Stewart, 


Woolliams— 134. 


Martin (Essex East), 




Nays 








Messrs: 




Belanger, 


Dionne, 


Latulippe, 


Patterson, 


Boutin, 


Fairweather, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Peters, 


Brewin, 


Fane, 


Jean), 


Pigeon, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gauthier, 


Mcintosh, 


Regan, 


Cowichan-The 


Gregoire, 


Mather, 


Thompson, 


Islands), 


Howard, 


Olson, 


Webb, 


Chapdelaine, 


Knowles, 


Orlikow, 


Webster— 28. 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Laprise, 


Ouellet, 





The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Lamontagne for Mr. 
Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Bill C-72, An Act to provide for 
the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada, be now read a second 
time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted at ten o'clock. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Pickersgill for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. 
Favreau, moved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its 
next sitting to consider the following proposed resolution which has been 
recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to approve certain expenditures 
authorized in respect of the fiscal year ended on March 31, 1963, including 
those provided for by the special warrants issued by the Governor in Council 
of February 8, 1963 (P.C. 1963-227) and March 4, 1963 (P.C. 1963-361) but 
not including the expenditures authorized by Appropriation Acts for that fiscal 
year; and to authorize the application of certain amounts in the accounts of 
the said fiscal year. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Canada Council, including the Auditor General's Report on the Financial State- 
ments of the Council, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 23 
of the Canada Council Act, chapter 3, Statutes of Canada, 1957. (English and 
French) . 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budget of 
the Farm Credit Corporation for the year ending March 31, 1964, pursuant to 
section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, 
together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-512, dated March 25, 1963, 
approving same. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednes- 
day, July 10, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
the Technical and Vocational Training Assistance Act for the year ended March 
31, 1963, pursuant to section 13 of the said Act, chapter 6, Statutes of Canada, 
1960-61. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated July 10, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a 
copy of the long-term agreement signed by the Canadian Wheat Board and 
the China Resources Company covering the period June 1, 1961 to December 
19, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 26). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated July 10, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all contracts entered into 
between the Canadian Wheat Board and the China Resources Company for the 
sale of grain under the long-term agreement between the Canadian Wheat 
Board and the China Resources Company. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 27). 



At 10.09 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 12th JULY, 1963. 






11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Benson, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Finance, laid before 
the House, — Report on Supply for the year ended March 31, 1963. (English and 
French). 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Annual Vacations Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to approve certain expenditures authorized in respect of the 
fiscal year ended on March 31, 1963. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to approve certain 
expenditures authorized in respect of the fiscal year ended on March 31, 1963, 
including those provided for by the special warrants issued by the Governor 
in Council of February 8, 1963 (P.C. 1963-227) and March 4, 1963 (P.C. 1963- 
361) but not including the expenditures authorized by Appropriation Acts for 
that fiscal year; and to authorize the application of certain amounts in the 
accounts of the said fiscal year. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



200 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Pickersgill for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Denis, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-86, An Act for approving certain expenditures author- 
ized for the public service, and the application of certain amounts in the 
accounts, for the financial year ended the 31st March, 1963, which was read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-25, An Act respecting The Board of Trade of Metropolitan To- 
ronto. — Mr. Wahn. 

Bill S-28, An Act to incorporate Allstate Life Insurance Company of Can- 
ada. — Mr. Ryan. 

Bill S-29, An Act respecting The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of 
Canada. — Mrs. Konantz. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Pro- 
ceedings under the Atlantic Provinces Power Development Act for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 6 of the said Act, chapter 25, Statutes 
of Canada, 1957-58. 

By Mr. Laing, Report of Proceedings under the Atlantic Provinces Power 
Development Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 6 of 
the said Act, chapter 25, Statutes of Canada, 1957-58. 

By Mr. Laing, Report of the Northern Canada Power Commission, includ- 
ing its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 24 of the Northern 
Canada Power Commission Act, chapter 196, as amended 1956, and sections 
85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Laing, Capital Budget of the Northern Canada Power Commission 
for the year ending March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in 
Council P.C. 1963-917, dated June 13, 1963, approving same. 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 12th JULY 201 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the National Centennial Administration, including the report of the Auditor 
General on the Financial Statements of the Administration, for the fiscal year 
ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 16 of the National Centennial Act, 
chapter 60, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, including its Accounts and Financial 
Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 36 of the Broadcasting Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 
1958, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 
116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of the National Librarian for the year ended 
March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 13 of the National Library Act, chapter 
330, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated June 12, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any of its agencies 
or departments and any municipal government, individual or organization 
since January 1, 1960, in respect of any proposal to purchase the post office 
building and the customs building in the city of St. Hyacinthe. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 13). 



At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 15th JULY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Three petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Third Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following bills and has agreed to report 
them without amendment: 

Bill S-ll, An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western 
Canada. 

Bill S-18, An Act to incorporate Baptist Convention of Ontario and Que- 
bec. 

Bill S-19, An Act to incorporate The Union of Slavic Churches of Evangeli- 
cal Christians and Slavic Baptists of Canada. 

Bill S-21, An Act to incorporate Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras 
Shevchenko. 

Bill S-24, An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Canada. 

Bill S-23, An Act respecting The Canada Board of American Missions of 
The United Lutheran Church in America. 



Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House,— Report of Industrial Inquiry Commission on The Disruption of Ship- 
ping (Commissioner: — The Honourable T. G. Norris). 



204 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copy of a letter, dated July 12, 1963, addressed by the Prime Minister of 
Canada to all provincial Premiers containing a proposal for a Federal-Provin- 
cial Conference to consider the subjects of pensions and of loans to municipali- 
ties for capital works programmes. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said letter be printed as an 
appendix to this day's Hansard. 



Mr. Pearson laid before the House, — Copy of a letter addressed by the 
Premier of Quebec to the Prime Minister of Canada dated July 11, 1963, 
together with a copy of a resolution adopted by the Quebec Legislative As- 
sembly dated June 26, 1963, concerning Bill C-76, "The Municipal Develop- 
ment and Loan Act". (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said letter be printed as an 
appendix to this day's Hansard. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Benson, Parliamentary Secretary to the Min- 
ister of Finance, laid before the House, — Return, supplementary to the answer 
to the following question (Hansard, page 1484, June 24, 1963): 

*No. 614 — Mr. Martineau 

1. For distribution purposes, were any copies of the Budget Speech or 
summaries thereof, prepared in advance of delivery by the Minister of Finance 
to the House of Commons, by officials of the Department of Finance, of the Bank 
of Canada, or by other person, or persons working with or under the direction 
of the Minister of Finance? 

2. Were any copies of the Budget Speech or summaries thereof mailed by 
the Minister of Finance, officials of the Department of Finance, of the Bank of 
Canada, or other person or persons working with, or under the direction of the 
Minister of Finance and, if so (a) how many such copies or summaries have 
been mailed (b) to whom were they addressed (c) when were they mailed, 
giving the date and hour thereof? 



Pursuant to Standing , Order 39(4), the following seven Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 491 — Mr. Martineau 

1. What are the joint programmes at present being carried out by the 
federal government with one or more of the provinces? 

2. For each of such programmes, what is (a) the name or number of the 
Statute, Order in Council, regulation or other authority under which such 
programme is being carried out (b) the date of the adoption of such Statute, 
Order in Council, regulation or other authority (c) the sums of money ex- 
pended for each such programme by the federal government since the com- 
mencement of the programme, giving the amount for each fiscal year? 

3. What further joint programmes does the government intend to carry 
out with one or more of the provinces during the current fiscal year? 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 15th JULY 205 

No. 495 — Mr. Valade 

1. Has the government cancelled any calls for tenders since April 8, 1963, 
and, if so, which tenders, in which departments, and on what grounds? 

2. If not, is it the intention of the government to change the tender calling 
procedure in certain departments, particularly in the Department of Defence 
Production? 

No. 585 — Mr. Orlikow 

1. How many contracts has the Fuller Construction Company of Ottawa 
received from government departments and agencies in the past six years; 
what were these contracts, and what was the value of each contract? 

2. Have complaints been made that this company has not been observing 
the federal government's wage and hour regulations and, if so, how many? 

3. How many of any such complaints have been investigated, and what 
were the results of these investigations? 



No. 586 — Mr. Orlikow 

1. How many contracts has the H. J. MacFarland Construction Co. of 
Ottawa received from government departments and agencies in the past six 
years; what contracts were these, what was the value of each contract? 

2. Have complaints been made that this company has not been observing 
the federal government's wage and hour regulations and, if so, how many? 

3. How many of any such complaints have been investigated and what 
were the results of these investigations? 



No. 591 — Mr. Fisher 

1. Has any minister of the Crown been presented with the report of the 
Committee on Manitoba's economic future and, if so, which ministers, and what 
form of communication accompanied the report? 

2. Has an analysis been made of the recommendations in the report that 
bear upon matters falling within the federal jurisdiction (e.g. Indian problems, 
Churchill Harbour) and, if so, has this analysis been forwarded to any cabinet 
or departmental committee for action or recommendations? 

3. Has any response been sent to the provincial government regarding this 
report, or to the committee itself? 

4. Have any ministers of the Crown and/or any deputy ministers, met with 
the chairman and the executive board of the Committee to discuss the report 
and any assistance the federal government may give to achieve the recommenda- 
tions of the Committee? 

No. 800— Mr. Valade 
Have the salaries of the employees of the Post Office Department been 
increased since 1949 and, if so (a) in what years was each such increase granted 
(b) what was the amount of the increase in each case, by classification of 
worker? 

No. 829 — Mr. Mcintosh 
1. Have any members of the Civil Service, Public Service, or any federal 
government employee of any government department or Crown Corporation 
been seconded, attached, transferred, posted or loaned to the Prime Minister's 



206 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Office, Privy Council or to any Minister's office or to any Minister's personal 
staff since April 22, 1963, and, if so, what are their names, location, respon- 
sibilities, salary, date duties commenced, name of immediate supervisor, and 
the name of department to which their position is established? 

2. Have any persons other than federal government employees been made 
available in any capacity to the Prime Minister's office or to any Minister's 
office or as part of the Minister's personal staff since April 22, 1963 that have 
been in receipt of government monies by means of salary or expense account 
funds and, if so, what are their names, date duties commenced, location, re- 
sponsibilities, name of previous employer and amount of federal monies in 
any form received to date? 

3. Have any persons other than federal government employees been made 
available in any capacity to the Prime Minister's office, Privy Council or to 
any Minister's office, or to any Minister's personal staff since April 22, 1963, 
who may or who may not, have been in receipt of government monies and who 
have had access to or have used government equipment, materials, stores, 
supplies, including privileged, classified and internal governmental information, 
correspondence and files and, if so, what are their names, nature of duties, 
date duties commenced, name of previous employer, and location? 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-86, An Act for 
approving certain expenditures authorized for the public service, and the appli- 
cation of certain amounts in the accounts, for the financial year ended the 31st 
March, 1963; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Lamontagne for 
Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Bill C-72, An Act to provide 
for the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada, be now read a second 
time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Board of Trustees of the Queen Elizabeth II Canadian Fund to Aid in Research 
on the Diseases of Children, including the Auditor General's Report on the 
Financial Statements of the Board, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 15 of the Queen Elizabeth II Canadian Research Fund Act, chapter 
33, Statutes of Canada, 1959. (English and French). 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 15th JULY 207 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated June 26, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a 
copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged between 
the government or any of its agencies or departments and any provincial or 
municipal government, individuals or organizations since January 1, 1958, in 
respect of the construction of a penal institution in the parish of St. Pie de 
Bagot. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 14). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated June 5, 1963 
(^Question No. 253) showing: 1. Who are the members of the National Capital 
Commission? 

2. When were they appointed, and when do their terms of office expire? 

3. How much was paid, during each of the fiscal years ending March 31, 
1963, 1962 and 1961, to each member of the National Capital Commission as 
(a) remuneration (b) travel expenses (c) other expenses? 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put, 
until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 16th JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

The honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) having 
raised a question of privilege at yesterday's sitting; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

May I refer to the question of privilege raised in the House yesterday by 
the honourable Minister of Justice. 

In the July 15th issue of Hansard, at page 2167, the honourable Minister 
of Justice is reported as having raised a question of privilege in the follow- 
ing words: 

"Mr. Speaker, I rise on a question of privilege. On Friday the hon- 
ourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) rose on a 
question of privilege, as reported at page 2121 of Hansard, which I think 
I can summarize. I quote: 

'My point of privilege is that what we now have is precisely what 
we had last June. We have the government construing that the Financial 
Administration Act or regulations made under it gives them authority 
to do something which the act itself says cannot be done. The Financial 
Administration Act says that no appointments by the Treasury Board 
can be made under it.' 

The honourable Minister of Justice then went on to say: 

"The honourable Member's statement in this respect is not correct. 
If honourable Members would look at section 5(2) of the Financial 
Administration Act they would find it provides that the Governor in 
Council may authorize the Treasury Board to exercise all or any of 
the powers, other than powers of appointment, of the Governor in Coun- 



210 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

cil under the Civil Service Act, the Civil Service Superannuation Act, the 
Defence Services Pension Act, and Parts II to VI of the Royal Canadian 
Mounted Police Act. 

"The action taken was not under any of the foregoing Acts, nor was 
it an "appointment". Section 39 of the Financial Administration Act 
authorizes the Governor in Council to make regulations with respect 
to the conditions under which contracts may be entered into, and it was 
pursuant to these regulations that the contracts were made. Section 
5(2) of the Financial Administration Act has no application whatever 
to the present situation." 

Thereupon, Hansard reports that the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
North Centre stated the following: 

"Mr. Speaker, on the question of privilege may I suggest that what 
I indicated on Friday was that the opinion in the name of Mr. Driedger 
tabled by the Prime Minister indicated that though it was purported 
that these arrangements were made under the Government Contracts 
Regulations in accordance with section 39 of the Financial Administra- 
tion Act, they do not come within the terms of the Government Contracts 
Regulations themselves, as Mr. Driedger himself pointed out. 

"It seems to me that since we have had a question of privilege and 
a counter question of privilege raised in connection with the subject, the 
matter should be gone into. I therefore move, seconded by the honour- 
able Member for Burnaby-Coquitlam (Mr. Douglas) : 

'That sessional paper No. 39B be referred to the Committee on 
Privileges and Elections for study and report'." 

At this juncture, I suggested that the motion might be allowed to stand 
until today in order to ensure that there was a prima facie case of privilege 
involved in the assertions of the two honourable gentlemen. 

I do not propose at this time to review the authorities and their comments 
on the nature of parliamentary privilege, but I would refer the attention of 
honourable Members to May's 16th edition, pages 42 and 43, Bourinot's Parlia- 
mentary Procedure, 4th edition, page 37, and also to Beauchesne's Parliamen- 
tary Rules and Forms, 4th edition, beginning at page 93. 

The question of privileges of this House is a wide and complex subject 
and in trying to cover that subject in a few words can be a hazardous exercise. 
However, recognizing the risk that may be incurred in doing so, I would sug- 
gest that, stated briefly, a question of privilege is a question relating to the 
rights, security, dignity, and freedom of the House as a whole or of its Members 
individually, and to the conduct and honour of such Members. 

If my summary of the' authorities be substantially sound, I find no support 
in any of them for the contention of the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
North Centre that a prima facie question of the privileges of this House is 
involved in his assertions or in his motion. 

It seems to me that what we have is, in essence, a dispute between two 
honourable Members with regard to the legality of certain actions. In other 
words, I suggest that the matter could be raised as a grievance on a motion to 
go into Committee of Supply or at some other appropriate occasion. 

In this regard may I refer honourable Members to paragraph (5) of Cita- 
tion 104 of Beauchesne's 4th Edition. 

Since there is in my opinion no question of privilege involved, I cannot 
give the honourable Member's proposed motion precedence over the business 
set down for today. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 16th JULY 211 

Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Fourth Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following bills and has agreed to report 
them without amendment: 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting Quebec Fire Assurance Company. 

Bill S-22, An Act to incorporate Fidelity Mortgage and Savings Corpora- 
tion. 

Bill S-20, An Act respecting General Mortgage Service Corporation of 
Canada. 

Bill S-13, An Act to incorporate Standard Trust Company. 



Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copy of Treasury Board Minute T.B. 610452, dated July 9, 1963, approving 
Civil Service rates of pay of certain existing and new classes, effective October 
1, 1962. (English and French). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

CUSTOMS TARIFF 

1. Resolved, — That Schedule A to the Customs Tariff be amended by strik- 
ing out tariff items 24, 25, 179, 187c, 409/, 438h(l), 521(1), 521(3) (a), 521(3) 
(b), 522(6), 532g, 533, 536, 537, 537a, 537b, 537c, 537d, 537e, 538a, 538d, 538i(l), 
538i(2), 540(a), 540(b), 540(c), 540(d), 541, 541a, 541b, 541c, 541d, 542, 542a, 
543, 546, 546a, 547, 547a, 548, 548a, 548c, 549c, 549d, 549e, 549/, 569, 569a(l), 
569a(2), 569a(3), 569a(4), 569a(5), 569a(6), 569b, 569c(l), 569c(2), 569d(l), 
569d(2), 572a, 610, 798, 812, 812a and 812b, and the enumerations of goods and 
the rates of duty set opposite each of these items, and by inserting therein the 
following items, enumerations of goods and rates of duty: 

Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 

24 Chicory, raw or green per pound Free Free 3 cts. 

25 Chicory, kiln dried, roasted or ground per pound 2 cts. 2 cts. 5 cts. 

179 Labels for cigar boxes, fruits, vegetables, meats, fish, 
confectionery or other goods or wares; shipping, price 
or other tags, tickets or labels, and railroad or other 
tickets, whether lithographed or printed, or partly 
printed, n.o.p.; the foregoing not including labels of textile 
fibres or filaments 17J p.c. 22£ p.c. 35 p.c. 

Tickets issued by railway systems in the British 
Commonwealth (not including railway systems oper- 
ating in Canada), shall be exempt from customs duty, 
when produced in countries entitled to the benefits of 
the British Preferential Tariff. 



212 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 

187c Photographic dry plates 7£ p.c. 12J p.c. 30 p.c. 

S12d Woven fabrics, wholly or in part of asbestos, for use in 

the manufacture of clutch facings and brake linings. . 12£ p.c. 12j p.c. 30 p.c. 

409/ Aluminum sluice-type devices for controlling water in 
irrigation ditches; 

Animal clippers; 

Automatic stock watering devices; 

Barn hay forks, carriage, pulleys and track; 

Barn litter carriers and track; 

Combination excavating and transporting scraper 
units; 

Egg cooling cabinets; 

Elevators (other than storage elevators); 

Grain crushers; 

Grain or hay dryers; 

Grain or hay grinders; 

Grain loaders; 

Gravity discharge farm wagon boxes; 

Hay stack forms; 

Heaters for orchards; 

Hitches and couplings; 

Hydraulic hoists for unloading vehicles; 

Land levellers; 

Machines and tools for use on tractors, including 
blades, loaders, rippers, rakes and related operating 
and controlling gear; 

Milk coolers; 

Sodium metabisulphite; 

Sprinkler irrigation systems; 

Steel stanchions for confining livestock either in pens 
or individually, and complete equipment for milk- 
ing parlours; 

All the foregoing for use on the farm for farm purposes 
only; 

Brooders; 

Ensilage cutters; 

Fodder or feed cutters; 

Hay loaders; 

Hay tedders; 

Post hole diggers; 

Potato diggers; 

Potato planters; 

Snaths; 

Stumping machines; 

All other agricultural implements or agricultural ma- 
chinery, n.o.p.; 

Parts of all the foregoing Free Free Free 

438A (1) Motor cycles having an engine capacity of 250 c.c. 
or less, engines or side cars therefor; parts of the 
foregoing Free 12? p.c. 30 p.c. 

521 Yarns and rovings, including threads, cords and 

twines, wholly of cotton: 

(1) Singles, n.o.p 12| p.c. 17^ p.c. 22J p.c. 

(2) Undyed and unbleached, for use in the manufacture 
of cotton sewing thread: 

(a) Singles Free 10 p.c. 15 p.c. 

(b) Plied 5 p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p.c. 

(3) For use in the manufacture of crochet, knitting, 
darning or embroidery cottons to be packaged for 
sale at retail for household use: 

(a) Singles Free 10 p.c. 15 p.c. 

(b) Plied 5p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p.c. 

(6) Mercerized yarns of count seventy-five and finer Free 17£ p.c. 30 p.Ci 



A.D. 1963 



TUESDAY, 16th JULY 



213 



Tariff 
Item 





Most- 




British 


Favoured- 




referential 


Nation 


General 


Tariff 


Tariff 


Tariff 



5320 Haircloth, composed of horsehair in combination with 

any vegetable fibre 17! p.c. 27! p.c. 30 p.c. 

641a Yarns and rovings, including threads, cords and twines, 
wholly or in part of vegetable fibres, n.o.p., not containing 
silk, wool or hair, man-made fibres or filaments nor glass 
fibres or filaments: 

(1) Linen thread for hand or machine sewing Free 

(2) Linen yarns for weaving or braiding into fabrics.. Free 
{S) Singles, n.o.p 12! p.c. 

(4) Other, n.o.p 15 p.c. 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 

541b Yarns and rovings, including threads, cords or twines, 
wholly of jute: 

(1) Singles 10 p.c. 17! p.c. 25 p.c. 

(2) Other 15 p.c. 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 



17| p.c. 


25 p.c 


Free 


25 p.c 


17! p.c. 


25 p.c 



642a Woven fabrics, wholly or in part of vegetable fibres, and 
all such fabrics with cut pile, n.o.p., not containing 
silk, wool or hair, man-made fibres or filaments nor glass 
fibres or filaments 17! p.c. 



642b Woven fabrics, wholly of jute Free 



642c Woven fabrics, in the web, wholly of flax or hemp: 

(1) Towelling and glass-cloth of crash or huck; table- 
cloth and napkin fabrics of crash 17§ p.c. 

(2) Other Free 



22| P-c 



5 cts. per 
100 lineal 
yards 



22! p.c. 
22| P-c 



30 p.c. 
15 p.c. 



35 p.c. 
35 p.c. 



543a (1) Clothing, wearing apparel and articles, made from 
woven fabrics, and all textile manufactures, wholly 
or partially manufactured, composed wholly 
or in part of vegetable fibres, n.o.p., when the textile 
component is not more than fifty per cent, by weight, of 
silk nor fifty per cent or more, by weight, of man-made 
fibres or filaments or glass fibres or filaments, not 
containing wool or hair 25 p.c. 25 p.c. 35 p.c. 

(2) Towels and glass-cloths of crash or huck, table- 
cloths and napkins of crash, wholly or in part of flax 
or hemp, not containing more than fifty per cent, by 
weight, of silk nor fifty per cent or more, by weight, of 
man-made fibres or filaments or glass fibres or filaments, 
nor wool or hair 17! p.c. 22! p.c. 35 p.c. 



548b Articles made from woven fabrics wholly of jute and 
all textile manufactures, wholly or partially manufac- 
tured, the textile component of which is wholly of jute, 
n.o.p.; jute fabric backed with paper 



12! P.c. 



22! P-c. 



30 p.c. 



64Sc Sheets, pillow-cases, bed-spreads, dresser-scarves, doilies, 
tray-cloths, table-cloths, napkins, towels, glass-cloths 
and handkerchiefs, wholly of flax or hemp, but not to 
include towels or glass-cloths of crash or huck, nor 
table-cloths and napkins of crash Free 

Hemming, hemstitching or embroidering with cotton 
thread of the foregoing articles, or the weaving of cotton 
thread in the borders of the handkerchiefs, will not remove 
such goods from this item. 



22! P-c 



35 p.c. 



64Sd Bags or sacks of jute, hemp, linen or sisal 12! P«c 



15 p.c. 



20 p.c. 



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Tariff 
Item 



British 

Preferential 

Tariff 



Most- 

Favoured- 

Nation 

Tariff 



General 
Tariff 



559g Batts, batting and wadding of wool, cotton or other 

textile fibre, n.o.p 10 p.c. 



567 Sails for boats and ships; textile fabrics, in the web or with 

fused edges, for use in the manufacture of such sails 15 p.c. 



17| p.c. 
22| p.c. 



25 p.c. 



25 p.c. 



569a Hats, hoods and shapes of fur felt or of wool-and-fur felt 17£ p.c. 22| p.c. 35 p.c. 

569b (1) Hoods and shapes, caps, bonnets and berets, n.o.p.. 22^ p.c. 30 p.c. 45 p.c. 

(8) Hats, n.o.p 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 35 p.c. 

and, per dozen 75 cts. $1.00 $1.50 

569c Hoods and shapes, knitted, crocheted, plaited or woven, 
in a single piece; hoods and shapes of braid, not sewn; 
all the foregoing for use in the manufacture of hats Free 7§ p.c. 10 p.c. 

569d Hat sweats, cap peaks, stiffening bands for the inside of 
hats and caps, tips and sides when cut to shape, and 
materials for use in the manufacture of such articles; 
all the foregoing for use in the manufacture of hats and 
caps Free Free Free 

569e Hat braids, of a class of kind not made in Canada, 
whether woven, knitted or plaited, not exceeding six 
inches in width, for use in the manufacture of hat 
bodies or shapes, but not for use in the ornamentation 
or trimming of such bodies or shapes Free Free Free 

569f Materials, of a class or kind not made in Canada, for use 
in the manufacture of woven, knitted or plaited hat 
braids Free Free Free 

572a Carpets of sisal, palm straw or cane straw 17| p.c. 17£ p.c. 40 p.c. 

574 Coated or impregnated fabrics, containing textile fabric, pro- 
duced by any method, including lamination, if the weight of 
the textile fabric is less than two-thirds of the weight of the 
coated or impregnated fabric: 

(1) The textile fabric being wholly or in part of man-made 

fibres or filaments or of glass fibres or filaments 27? p.c. 32? p.c. 50 p.c. 

(2) The textile fabric not being wholly or in part of man- 
made fibres or filaments or of glass fibres or filaments .. . 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 40 p.c. 

574a Woven fabrics of vegetable fibres, coated or impreg- 
nated, imported for use as "brattice cloth" in under- 
ground mining operations Free 10 p.c. 12| p.c. 

574b Canvas in the web, wholly of flax or hemp, or both, 
plain woven, coloured or not, treated with weather- 
proofing or preservative materials, weighing more than 
six ounces per square yard, when the weight of the un- 
treated fabric is two-thirds or more of the weight of the 
treated fabric 17? p.c. 22| p.c. 40 p.c. 

597a (5) Accordions 2| p.c. 2\ p.c. 30 p.c. 

610 Belting, n.o.p., not including single-ply belting wholly of 

textile fibres 7\ p.c. 20 p.c. 27| p.c. 









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2. Resolved, — That Schedule B to the Customs Tariff be amended by striking 
out item 1012, and the enumeration of goods and the rate of drawback of duty- 
set opposite that item, and by inserting therein the following items, enumera- 
tions of goods and rates of drawback of duty: 

Portion of Duty 
(not including Special 
Duty or Dumping 
Item Goods When Subject to Drawback Duty) Payable as 

No. Drawback 

1008 Materials, woven, knitted, bonded, braided When used by manufacturers of hats in 

or felted, whether or not pleated, folded making bands for, or in binding the 

or sewn. edges of, men's hats 99 p.c. 

1009 Woven fabrics in the web. When used in the manufacture of 

linings for men's or boys' hats or 
caps, or in the manufacture of 
buckram shapes for women's or 
children's headgear 99 p.c. 



3. Resolved, — That Schedule A to the Customs Tariff be amended by striking 
out tariff items 535, 535a, 535e, 535gr, 538c, 539, 569e and 575, and the enumera- 
tions of goods and the rates of duty set opposite each of these items, and by 
inserting therein the following items, enumerations of goods and rates of duty: 

Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 

540a Grasses, seaweed, mosses and vegetable fibres other 
than cotton, not coloured, nor further manufactured 
than dried, cleaned, cut to size, ground and sifted; 
oakum of flax, hemp, or jute; coir and coir yarn Free Free Free 

540b Grasses, seaweed, mosses and vegetable fibres other 
than cotton, n.o.p.; bagasse of sugar cane, whether or 
not dried, cleaned, cut to size, ground or sifted Free 10 p.c. 17| p.c. 

540c Vegetable fibres, horse hair, and mixtures of vegetable 
fibres and horse hair, for use in the manufacture of 
brooms and brushes Free 

540d Piassava fibre, not coloured, nor further manufactured 

than dried, cleaned, cut to size, ground and sifted Free 

641c Cordage, exceeding one inch in circumference, wholly of 

vegetable fibres, n.o.p 17£ p.c. 

541d Cordage, exceeding one inch in circumference, n.o.p 20 p.c. 

668 (8) Knitted fabric wholly of cotton, in the web, for use 

in the manufacture of rubber boots and shoes 10 p.c. 

669g Firemen's helmets; safety helmets for industrial pur- 
poses: parts of such helmets Free 



4. Resolved, — That Schedule A to the Customs Tariff be amended by striking 
out tariff items, 180e, 180/, 188, 206b, 208x, 237a, 296g, 399a, 431h, 440ml., 440nl., 
462d, 462i, 469, 478(2), 570a(2), 597d, 696(1) and 703b, and the enumerations 
of goods and the rates of duty set opposite each of these items, and by inserting 
therein the following items, enumerations of goods and rates of duty: 

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Free 


1\ p.c. 


Free 


Free 


22£ p.c. 


25 p.c. 


22| p.c. 


25 p.c. 


20 p.c. 


25 p.c. 


Free 


Free 



216 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 



9i Feeds for use exclusively in the feeding of trout Free Free 25 p.c. 

On and after July 1, 1964 15 p.c. 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 

180e Plans and drawings, related specifications, any substitute 
therefor, reproductions of the foregoing except reproduc- 
tions of Canadian originals , for the manufacture, assembly, 
erection, installation, operation or maintenance of ma- 
chines, test sets, engines, apparatus, appliances, plant 
equipment, and parts thereof Free Free Free 

180f Plans and drawings, related specifications, any substitute 
therefor, reproductions of the foregoing , n.o.p.; maps and 
charts, n.o.p \2\ p.c. 20 p.c. 27§ p.c. 

188 Plain photographic base paper, prepared for and to be 
coated with a silver haloid emulsion, for use in the manu- 
facture of photographic paper Free Free 25 p.c. 

2066 Dextrose (glucose) solutions and levulose (fructose) solu- 
tions, prepared for parenteral administration in thera- 
peutic treatments; component materials and articles 
to be used in making such preparations Free Free Free 

208x Materials and parts, entering into the cost of cyanide of 
calcium, cyanide of potassium and cyanide of sodium, 
for use in the manufacture of cyanide of calcium, 
cyanide of potassium and cyanide of sodium Free Free Free 

220b Phenylalanine deficient dietary preparations specially com- 
pounded for use in the treatment of phenylketonuria Free Free 25 p.c. 

237a Deuterium oxide or heavy water; uranium in the form of 

pigs, ingots, billets or bars Free Free 25 p.c. 

On and after July 1, 1964 Free 15 p.c. 25 p.c. 

296# Sodium calcium borate ore for use as a fire retardant .. . Free Free 25 p.c. 

On and after July 1, 1964 15 p.c. 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 

399a Pipes or tubes of iron or steel, commonly known as "oil- 
country goods", being casing or tubing, fittings, cou- 
plings, thread protectors and nipples therefor; sucker 
rods, pony rods, polished rods and couplings therefor; 
seismograph drilling bits, in sizes three and one-half 
inches to four and three-quarter inches inclusive; all 
of the foregoing for use in 'connection with natural gas 
or oil wells 5 p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p.c. 

431A Geophysical surveying precision instruments and equip- 
ment for use exclusively in prospecting for, or in the 
exploration and development of, petroleum, natural 
gas, water wells and minerals, or for geophysical stud- 
ies for engineering projects, including the following: 
Magnetometers; gravity meters and other instru- 
ments designed to measure the elements, variations 
and distortions of the natural gravitational force; field 
potentiometers, meggers, non-polarizing electrodes, 
and electrical equipment for making measurements 
in drill holes; instruments and equipment for seismic 
prospecting; geiger muller counters and other instru- 
ments for radioactive methods of geophysical pros- 
pecting; electrical and electronic amplifying devices 
and electrical thermostats designed to be used with 






A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 16th JULY 217 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 

any of the foregoing; sodium iodide crystals, thallium 
activated, in rough cut blanks, when imported to be 
manufactured into parts for use in instruments for 
prospecting; all the foregoing of a class or kind not 
made in Canada, and parts, tripods and fitted carry- 
ing cases for any of the foregoing Free Free 30 p.c. 

440m Aircraft, not including engines, under such regulations as 
the Minister may prescribe: 

1. When of types or sizes not made in Canada Free Free 27£ p.c. 

On and after July 1, 1964 Free 15 p.c. 27£ p.c. 

440n Aircraft engines, when imported for use in the equip- 
ment of aircraft: 

1. When of types or sizes not made in Canada Free Free 27| p.c. 

On and after July 1, 1964 Free 15 p.c. 27£ p.c. 

455 Locks for use in the manufacture of portfolios, luggage and 
tackle boxes; frames and fittings therefor, wholly of metal, 
for use in the manufacture of gladstone bags 5 p.c. 5 p.c. 35 p.c. 

462d Cinematograph and motion picture cameras and camera 
blimps for use by professional motion picture producers 
having studios in Canada equipped for motion picture 
production; parts of the foregoing Free Free 15 p.c. 

462i Optical and magnetic sound equipment; 

Dollies, or other mobile mounting units for motion pic- 
ture cameras; 

Booms, without wiring, for use with microphones; 

Motion picture editing equipment, namely: film editing 
machines, film splicers, film synchronizers, film 
viewers, rewinds; 

Parts of the foregoing; 

All the foregoing when for use in the production of mo- 
tion pictures by professional producers having studios 
in Canada equipped for motion picture production Free Free 15 p.c. 

469 Machine card clothing: 

(1) For use on roller clearer cards 10 p.c. 20 p.c. 25 p.c. 

(2) Other Free 10 p.c. 25 p.c. 

478 (2) Aural, nasal, mastectomy and other medical or surgi- 
cal prostheses; materials for use in reconstructive surgery; 
ileostomy, colostomy and urinary appliances designed 
to be worn by an individual; materials and articles 
required therewith for proper application and main- 
tenance Free Free Free 

570a (2) Carpeting, rugs, mats and matting of paper; stair 

pads 15 p.c. 22§ p.c. 30 p.c. 

597d Musical instruments, namely: 

Autoharps, clavichords, harpsichords, harps; 

Bass viols, violas, violins, violoncellos; 

Strings for the foregoing; 

Recorders, xylophones; 

Bassoons, clarinets, English horns, fifes, flutes, oboes, 

picolos, saxophones, practice chanters; 
Parts of the foregoing Free Free 30 p.c. 

696 (1) Philosphical and scientific apparatus (and ancillary 
equipment thereto), utensils, instruments, and prepar- 
ations, including boxes and bottles containing the 
same; maps, charts, photographic reproductions and 
other pictorial illustrations; video tape recordings; 
stencils and cards, specially designed for the preparation 
of library index cards; casts as models; animals as re- 
search or experimental subjects; living plants, seeds, 
cuttings, buds, scions, tubers, bulbs and root-stock; 
mechanical equipment of a class or kind not made in 

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218 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 



Canada; parts of the foregoing. All articles in this 
item, when for the use and by order of any society or 
institution incorporated or established solely for 
religious, philosophical, educational, scientific or 
literary purposes, or for the encouragement of the fine 
arts, or for the use and by order of any public hospital, 
college, academy, school, or seminary of learning in 
Canada, and not for sale or for rental, under such 
regulations as the Minister may prescribe Free Free Free 



7036 (1) Goods valued at not more than twenty-five dollars 
included in the baggage accompanying residents of 
Canada returning from abroad after an absence from 
Canada of not less than forty-eight hours and acquired 
by them for personal or household use or as souvenirs 
or gifts, but not bought on commission or as an accom- 
modation for other persons or for sale, under such 
regulations as the Minister may prescribe Free Free Free 

A resident of Canada shall not be entitled to the 
exemption herein granted within a period of four 
months from the date of the last exemption allowed, 
nor shall the exemption be allowed on alcoholic bev- 
erages in excess of one quart, or on tobacco in excess 
of fifty cigars, two hundred cigarettes and two pounds 
of manufactured tobacco. 

(2) In addition to the exemption provided for in part (1) 
of this item, a resident of Canada returning from a 
point beyond the continental limits of North America 
after an absence from Canada of not less than fourteen 
days may elect to avail himself of the following 
special exemption: 

Goods valued at not more than seventy-five dollars 
(not including alcoholic beverages, cigars, cigarettes 
or manufactured tobacco), acquired in overseas coun- 
tries by residents of Canada during an absence from 
Canada of not less than fourteen days and acquired 
by them for personal or household use or as souvenirs 
or gifts, but not bought on commission or as an accom- 
modation for other persons or for sale, under such 
regulations as the Minister may prescribe Free Free Free 

All goods admitted under the foregoing special 
exemption shall be declared by the resident at the 
time of his return to Canada, and any person who has 
availed himself of the special exemption is not entitled 
to any further exemption under item 7036 within a 
period of twelve months from the date the last special 
exemption was allowed. 

Goods entitled to entry under this tariff item shall 
be exempt from all imposts, notwithstanding the pro- 
visions of this Act or any other Act. 

5. Resolved, — That Schedule B to the Customs Tariff be amended by striking 
out item 1004 and the enumeration of goods and the rate of drawback of duty 






A.D. 1963 



TUESDAY, 16th JULY 



219 



set opposite that item, and by inserting therein the following item, enumeration 
of goods and rate of drawback of duty: 



Item 
No. 



Goods 



When Subject to Drawback 



Portion of Duty 

(not including Special 

Duty or Dumping 

Duty) Payable as 

Drawback 



1004 Steel. 



When used in the manufacture of files. 



99 p.c. 



6. Resolved, — That any enactment founded upon the foregoing resolutions 
shall be deemed to have come into force on the fourteenth day of June, 1963, 
and to have applied to all goods mentioned in the said resolutions imported or 
taken out of warehouse for consumption on or after that day, and to have 
applied to goods previously imported for which no entry for consumption was 
made before that day. 



Resolved,- 
terms : 



SURCHARGE ON IMPORTS ORDER 



-That it is expedient to introduce a measure in the following 



1. The Order of His Excellency the Governor in Council of the 24th day of 
June, 1962, expressed to be made pursuant to subsection (1) of section 4 of the 
Customs Tariff and pursuant to section 22 of the Financial Administration Act, 
shall be deemed for all purposes to have had the same force and effect as if it 
had been validly made on that day pursuant to an Act of the Parliament of 
Canada that authorized the making of that Order. 

2. All rates of Customs duties more favourable than those of the General 
Tariff, and the benefit of any tariff more favourable than the General Tariff, 
expressed to be withdrawn by the Order mentioned in section 1, shall be deemed 
to have been restored on the 1st day of April, 1963, and from and after the 1st 
day of April, 1963 the rates so restored and any tariff the benefit of which is so 
restored shall, subject to the provisions of the Customs Tariff, apply as they 
applied immediately before the 25th day of June, 1962. 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-87, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time and ordered 
for consideration in Committee of the Whole at the next sitting of the House. 



220 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-88, An Act respecting an Order of His Excellency the Governor in Coun- 
cil entitled the Surcharge on Imports Order, and to restore certain rates of 
Customs duties and tariff benefits expressed to be withdrawn thereby, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-1040, dated July 9, 1963, authorizing the Export Credits Insurance 
Corporation to agree to a change in the terms of payment under the contract 
of sale between Canadair Limited, Montreal, and Seaboard World Airlines Inc., 
New York, U.S.A., for the purchase of 5 CL-44D-4 aircraft and ancillary equip- 
ment, which was authorized by Order in Council P.C. 1959-747, dated June 11, 
1959, under section 21a of the Export Credits Insurance Act, pursuant to section 
21b of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 

By Mr. Sharp,— Order in Council P.C. 1963-1056, dated July 11, 1963, 
authorizing, under section 21 of the Export Credits Insurance Act, a contract 
of insurance by the Export Credits Insurance Corporation for shipment of 
wheat to Poland prior to December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 21b of the said 
Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 

Sixth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on July 15 meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

The Canadian Equity Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation changing its name to "Guildhall Insurance Company of Canada" 
and in French, "Guildhall, Compagnie d' Assurance du Canada". — Mr. Asselin 
(Notre-Dame-de-Grace) . 

The Manufacturers Life Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The Manufacturers Life Insurance Company" and/or 
the name "Les Manufacturiers, Compagnie d'Assurance-Vie". — Mr. Wahn. 

George L. Armstrong and Douglas H. Cameron, both of the City of Mont- 
real, Quebec, and George Perley-Robertson, of the City of Ottawa, Ontario, for 
an Act to incorporate "Royal General Insurance Company of Canada" and in 
French, "La Compagnie d'Assurance Royal General du Canada". — Mr. Asselin 
(IV otre-Dame- de-Grace) . 



By unanimous consent, at 9.56 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 17th JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had agreed to the amendment made by the House of Commons to Bill 
S-14, An Act respecting Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust Company, 
without any amendment. 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Fourth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate The Good 
News Broadcasting Association of Canada, and has agreed to report the preamble 
thereof not proven on the grounds that the Committee feels that it would not 
be appropriate in the circumstances outlined to the Committee to issue a federal 
charter. 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Fifth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-12, An Act respecting Ukrainian 
National Federation of Canada, and has agreed to report it with the following 
amendments: 

Clause 1 : 

1. In subsection (2) of section 8A., line 2, page 2 of the Bill, after the word 
"corporate", insert the following words: 

"known as Ukrainian National Federation of Canada with the name of the 
municipality in which the Branch is located affixed thereto in brackets and"; 



222 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

2. Also in line 2, delete the word "name" and the comma after the word 
"such". 

3. Insert immediately after the word "Canada" in line 23, page 2 of the 
Bill, the following words: 

"and cause the same to be published in The Canada Gazette forthwith." 

4. Add immediately after subsection (3) of Section 8A. of Clause 1, page 2 
of the Bill, the following subsection (4) : 

"(4) Subsection (3) of Section 147 of The Companies Act shall be applic- 
able to any such body corporate established." 



On motion of Mr. Frenette, seconded by Mr. Belanger, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of any correspondence, documents 
or notes exchanged between the President of the Privy Council and the govern- 
ments of each of the provinces in connection with the appointment in the near 
future, of a Royal Commission on bilingualism and biculturalism. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 48). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 50, 52, 55, 57, and 60) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. McBain, seconded by Mr. Nesbitt, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence dated since April 22, 
1963, received by the Minister of National Health and Welfare and officials of 
her Department related to the subject of cigarette smoking; and also a copy of 
all correspondence dated since April 22, 1963, sent out by the Minister of 
National Health and Welfare and officials of her Department covering the same 
subject. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 54). 



On motion of Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Jorgenson, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a Return for all bills, accounts or other papers 
showing the date of all telephone calls, including those made through the ex- 
change or by direct dialing between April 22 and June 20, 1963 which passed 
between any Minister of the Government to or from his office (or residence, if 
charged to public expense) and Wood, Gundy & Company Ltd., Toronto, or any 
executive or officer of said Company. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 58). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Lamontagne for 
Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Bill C-72, An Act to provide 
for the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada, be now read a second 
time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Committee 
of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 17th JULY 223 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the hours of sitting provided 
for in the Special Order made Wednesday July 10, 1963, be continued until 
July 31, 1963. 

At 6.07 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: I have a short statement, dealing with a question of procedure r 
which I think it would be in order to make at this time. As appears in Votes 
and Proceedings of yesterday, the honourable Member for St. Paul's (Mr. 
Wahn) presented the Fourth Report of the Standing Committee on Miscellane- 
ous Private Bills which read as follows: 

"Your Committee has considered Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate 
The Good News Broadcasting Association of Canada, and has agreed to 
report the preamble thereof not proven on the grounds that the Com- 
mittee feels that it would not be appropriate in the circumstances out- 
lined to the Committee to issue a federal charter." 

Thereafter, as reported in yesterday's Hansard at pages 2292 and 2293, the 
honourable Member for Parry Sound-Muskoka (Mr. Aiken) proposed the fol- 
lowing motion: 

"That Bill No. S-15 as reported be referred back to the Committee 
on Miscellaneous Private Bills for reconsideration." 

Mr. Speaker intervened at that point to suggest to him that the proper 
time to move such a motion would be during the Private Bills period if the Bill 
was then before the House. Later on, the honourable Member for Parry Sound- 
Muskoka stated that under the rules, especially Standing Order 110, this Bill 
would not be placed on the Order Paper and this would prohibit the Bill in 
question being placed upon the Orders of the Day during the Private Members 
Hour. At this juncture Mr. Speaker suggested that the matter be postponed 
until today to give him the opportunity of going into the matter. 
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226 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

May I be permitted to say that I have considered the matter and to 
reiterate that it was not the proper time for the honourable Member for Parry 
Sound-Muskoka to propose his motion to refer back the Bill under Routine 
Proceedings, as he did yesterday, since the Bill had first to be placed upon the 
Orders of the Day by special order of the House. In this connection, Standing 
Order 110 applies. 

In looking at two precedents relating to similar instances — the first in 1931, 
at page 552 of the Journals and at page 3824 of Hansard; the second in 1958, 
at page 401 of the Journals and at page 3329 of Hansard — it will be seen that 
a motion should be moved and adopted under Routine Proceedings in order to 
place such a Bill upon the Orders of the Day for consideration, and the motion 
to refer the Bill back to the Committee is dealt with at its proper place when 
Private Bills are taken up during the hour for Private Members' Business. 



Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Enns, moved, — That Bill S-15, An Act to incor- 
porate The Good News Broadcasting Association of Canada, the preamble of 
which has been reported as not proven, be placed on the Order Paper for con- 
sideration later this day. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 



Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-89, An Act to amend the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act 
(Pension Funds), which was read the first time and ordered for a second read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to establish the Canada Pension Plan; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, laid before the House, — Statement, dated July 18, 1963, respecting 
The Canada Pension Plan. (English and French). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-74, An Act respecting the Department of Industry, 
without amendment. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Winkler, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now 
leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee of the Whole on Private 
Bills (pursuant to Standing Order 54(1)); which was agreed to. 



A.D 1963 THURSDAY, 18th JULY 227 

The following bills were considered in Committee of the Whole, reported 
without amendment, read the third time and passed: 

Bill S-ll, An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western 
Canada. 

Bill S-18, An Act to incorporate Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec. 

Bill S-19, An Act to incorporate The Union of Slavic Churches of Evangeli- 
cal Christians and Slavic Baptists of Canada. 

Bill S-21, An Act to incorporate Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras 
Shevchenko. 

Bill S-24, An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Canada. 

Bill S-23, An Act respecting The Canada Board of American Missions of 
The United Lutheran Church in America. 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting Quebec Fire Assurance Company. 

Bill S-22, An Act to incorporate Fidelity Mortgage and Savings Cor- 
poration. 

Bill S-20, An Act respecting General Mortgage Service Corporation of 
Canada. 

Bill S-13, An Act to incorporate Standard Trust Company. 



Bill S-12, An Act respecting Ukrainian National Federation of Canada, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported with amendments (as made in 
the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills) and considered as 
amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



Bill S-25, An Act respecting The Board of Trade of Metropolitan Toronto, 
was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Miscel- 
laneous Private Bills. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-28, An Act to incor- 
porate Allstate Life Insurance Company of Canada; 

Mr. Ryan, seconded by Mr. Roxburgh, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time; 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution concerning the establishment of the Canada Pension Plan, 
and progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 19th JULY, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Statement tabled on July 
18, 1963, by the Minister of National Health and Welfare (Miss LaMarsh), 
respecting the Canada Pension Plan, be printed as an Appendix to this day's 
Hansard. 



Bill C-87, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff, was considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time and 
passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated July 10, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a copy 
of the contracts entered into with Mr. D. C. H. Stanley, Mr. M. P. O'Connell and 
Mr. G. R. Conway, under Treasury Board Minute T.B. 610618, dated May 2, 
1963, and a copy of the contract entered into with Mr. R. J. Anderson, under 
Treasury Board Minute T.B. 610952, dated May 17, 1963. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 53). 



230 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fifth Report, pursuant to 
Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance Company for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance Company" 
and/or "La Compagnie d' Assurance du Canada contre les Accidents et l'ln- 
cendie". 

The Canadian Equity Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of 
Incorporation changing its name to "Guildhall Insurance Company of Canada" 
and in French, "Guildhall, Compagnie d'Assurance du Canada". 

The Monarch Life Assurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of In- 
corporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, 
either the name "The Monarch Life Assurance Company" and/or "La Monarch, 
Compagnie d'Assurance- Vie". 

The National Life Assurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The National Life Assurance Company of Canada" 
and/or the name "La Nationale du Canada, compagnie d'assurance-vie". 



At 6.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 22nd JULY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

22nd July, 1963. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Gerald Fauteux, 
Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excellency 
the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 22nd 
July, at 9.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Statement agreed to on July 21, 1963, between the representatives of the 
Government of Canada and the United States of America, respecting the United 
States Interest Equalization Tax. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said Statement be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



232 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-86, An Act for approving certain expenditures author- 
ized for the public service, and the application of certain amounts in the ac- 
counts, for the financial year ended the 31st March, 1963. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Gerald Fauteux, 
acting as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the immedi- 
ate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable the 
Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, His 
Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the 
following bills: 

An Act respecting the Department of Industry. 

An Act to amend the Export and Import Permits Act. 

An Act respecting Canada Permanent Toronto General Trust Company. 

An Act respecting Confederation Life Association. 

An Act respecting The Great-West Life Assurance Company. 

An Act respecting Chartered Trust Company. 

An Act to incorporate Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec. 

An Act respecting The Canada Board of American Missions of The United 
Lutheran Church in America. 

An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Canada. 

An Act respecting The Evangelical Lutheran Synod of Western Canada. 

An Act to incorporate Fidelity Mortgage and Savings Corporation. 

An Act respecting General Mortgage Service Corporation of Canada. 

An Act respecting Quebec Fire Assurance Company. 

An Act to incorporate Standard Trust Company. 

An Act to incorporate Ukrainian Canadian Foundation of Taras Shev- 
chenko. 

An Act to incorporate The Union of Slavic Churches of Evangelical Chris- 
tians and Slavic Baptists of Canada. 

And Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honour- 
able the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"MAY IT PLEASE YOUR HONOUR: 

"The Commons of Canada have approved certain expenditures for the 
public service, and the application of certain amounts in the accounts for the 
year ended March 31, 1963. 






A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 22nd JULY 233 

"In the name of the Commons I present to Your Honour the following 
Bill: 

'An Act for approving certain expenditures authorized for the public serv- 
ice, and the application of certain amounts in the accounts, for the financial 
year ended the 31st March, 1963.' 

"To which Bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by Command of the Deputy of His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the 
Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and 
assents to this Bill." 



At 10.20 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 23rd JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Five petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Sixth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-25, An Act respecting The Board of 
Trade of Metropolitan Toronto, and has agreed to report it without amendment. 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Copies of Messages, numbered 22, 23 and 24, dated May 
17, 1963, from the International Commission for Supervision and Control in 
Laos to the Co-Chairmen of the Geneva Conference. (English and French). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

Objection being taken in Committee to the decision of the Chairman (Mr. 
Lamoureux) on a point of order, and an appeal being made to the House; 



236 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair, and the Chairman of the Committee made 
the following Report: — 

"When a resolution to amend the Excise Tax Act was being considered in 
Committee of Ways and Means, the honourable Member for Danforth (Mr. 
Scott) moved the following amendment: 'That the Excise Tax Act Resolution 
be amended by the deletion of paragraph 1.' 

"The Chair decided that the amendment was in effect a negative and was 
out of order as, in accordance with recent practices and decisions of the House, 
a vote could not be called on a particular section of a budget resolution. 

"Whereupon the honourable Member for Danforth appealed to the House 
from the ruling of the Chair." 

The question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the ruling of the Chairman 
be confirmed?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Asselin (Notre- 


Davis, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Mullally, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Deachman, 


Kelly, 


Munro, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Denis, 


Klein, 


Nicholson, 


Wolfe), 


Deschatelets, 


Lachance, 


O'Keefe, 


Badanai, 


Dube, 


Laing, 


Ouellet, 


Basford, 


Dupuis, 


Lamontagne, 


Patterson, 


Batten, 


Emard, 


Laniel, 


Pearson, 


Beaule, 


Ethier, 


Laverdiere, 


Pickersgill, 


Bechard, 


Eudes, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Pilon, 


Beer, 


Favreau, 


Jean), 


Plourde, 


Berger, 


Forgie, 


Lessard (Saint-Henri),Richard, 


Blouin, 


Foy, 


Loiselle, 


Rinfret, 


Boulanger, 


Francis, 


Macaluso, 


Rochon, 


Brown, 


Garland, 


Macdonald, 


Roxburgh, 


Byrne, 


Gelber, 


Mackasey, 


Sharp, 


Cadieux, 


Gendron, 


MacNaught, 


Stewart, 


Cameron (High Park),Godin, 


Mcllraith, 


Tardif, 


Cantin, 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Temple, 


Caron, 


Greene, 


McNulty, 


Thompson, 


Carter, 


Groos, 


McWilliam, 


Tremblay, 


Chapdelaine, 


Guay, 


Marcoux, 


Tucker, 


Choquette, 


Habel, 


Matheson, 


Walker, 


Chretien, 


Haidasz, 


Matte, 


Watson 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Hahn, 


Mitchell, 


(Chateauguay- 


Cowan, 


Harley, 


Moreau, 


Huntingdon- 


Grossman, 


Honey, . 


Morison, 


Laprairie), 


Cyr, 




Nays 
Messrs: 


Whelan— 100. 


Aiken, 


Churchill, 


Fisher, 


Irvine, 


Alkenbrack, 


Clancy, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Kennedy, 


Barnett, 


Cooper, 


Revelstoke), 


Knowles, 


Brewin, 


Crouse, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Laprise, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Danforth, 


Carleton), 


Loney, 


Cowichan-The 


Dionne, 


Hales, 


MacEwan, 


Islands), 


Doucett, 


Herridge, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Cantelon, 


Douglas, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Macquarrie, 


Chaplin, 


Fairweather, 


Howe (Wellington- 


McCutcheon, 


Chatterton, 


Fane, 


Huron), 


Mcintosh, 



A.D. 1963 


TUES 


DAY, 23rd JULY 


23 


Madill, 


Nasserden, 


Pugh, 


Vincent, 


Mandziuk, 


Nesbitt, 


Rapp, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Noble, 


Ricard, 


Webb, 


Martineau, 


Olson, 


Scott, 


Webster, 


Mather, 


Pascoe, 


Slogan, 


Weichel, 


Monteith, 


Paul, 


Southam, 


Winch, 


Moore, 


Perron, 


Starr, 


Winkler, 


More, 


Peters, 


Stenson, 


Woolliams — 70. 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Pigeon, 


Thomas, 





The Committee of Ways and Means resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INCOME TAX ACT 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Income 
Tax Act and to provide among other things: 

1. That with respect to new depreciable property of a prescribed class 
acquired in the period of 24 months commencing June 14, 1963 capital cost 
allowances be computed on a straight line basis at a prescribed rate not exceed- 
ing 50 per cent per annum if the property has been acquired by a taxpayer in a 
taxation year for a manufacturing or processing business in Canada and the 
taxpayer is 

(a) an individual who was resident in Canada for a period of not less 
than 183 days in the year; or 

(b) a corporation that in the year had a degree of Canadian ownership 
and control; 

and for the purposes of this paragraph, 

(c) a corporation has a degree of Canadian ownership and control in a 
year if the corporation throughout the 60 day period immediately 
preceding the year (or if the corporation did not have a preceding 
year, throughout the 60 day period commencing on the first day of 
the year) complied with the following conditions: 

(i) the corporation was resident in Canada, 

(ii) either 

(A) not less than 25 per cent of its voting shares were benefi- 
cially owned by one or more individuals resident in Canada, 
one or more corporations controlled in Canada or a combina- 
tion thereof, 

or 

(B) the voting shares of the corporation were listed on a recog- 
nized stock exchange in Canada and it is established, in 
prescribed manner, that no one non-resident shareholder 
owned beneficially, together with any other person associated 
with him at any time in the period, more than 75 per cent 
of the voting shares of the corporation, and 



238 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(iii) where the year commences after December 31, 1964, the number 
of directors of the corporation who were resident in Canada was 
not less than 25 per cent of the total number of directors of the 
corporation; 

or complied with the conditions specified in clauses (i) and (iii) and 
was a wholly- owned subsidiary of a corporation that throughout the 
60 day period complied with the conditions specified in clauses (i), 
(ii) and (iii); and 

(d) a corporation is controlled in Canada at a particular time if at that 
time it complies with the following conditions: 
(i) the corporation is resident in Canada, and 

(ii) not less than 51 per cent of its voting shares are beneficially 
owned by one or more individuals resident in Canada, one or more 
corporations controlled in Canada or a combination thereof. 

2. That a taxpayer whose business in a prescribed area of Canada has 
been certified to be a new manufacturing or processing business that com- 
menced commercial operations in the period of 24 months commencing with the 
date on which any enactment based on this paragraph is assented to be exempt 
from tax on the income from that business for a period of 36 months from the 
date certified to be the date of commencement of operations, and that the rate of 
capital cost allowances for new depreciable property of a prescribed class 
acquired by the said taxpayer in the said 24 months period for such business be 
computed on a straight line basis at a prescribed rate not exceeding 50 per cent 
per annum. 

3. That with effect for 1964 and subsequent taxation years section 40 A of 
the Act, which provides for a deduction from the tax otherwise payable by a 
manufacturing and processing corporation, be repealed. 

4. That with respect to expenses incurred after June 13, 1963 a corporation 
whose principal business is operating a pipeline for the transmission of oil 
or natural gas be allowed to deduct in computing income the drilling and 
exploration expenses, including all general geological and geophysical expenses, 
incurred by it on or in respect of exploring for petroleum or natural gas in 
Canada and the prospecting, exploration and development expenses incurred by 
it in searching for minerals in Canada. 

5. That for the 1963 and subsequent taxation years a dividend received by 
a person resident in Canada from a corporation that throughout its taxation 
year in which the dividend is paid or credited 

(a) is taxable as a non-resident corporation carrying on business in 
Canada, 

(b) derives substantially all of its income from sources in Canada, and 

(c) has its shares listed on a recognized stock exchange in Canada 

"be deemed to be a dividend from sources in Canada paid or credited by a tax- 
able corporation within the meaning of section 38 of the Act. 

6. That the 15 per cent rate of tax payable by a non-resident person on 
dividends paid or credited to him by a person resident in Canada be reduced to 
10 per cent with respect to dividends paid or credited after June 13, 1963 by a 






A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 23rd JULY 239 

corporation that in its taxation year in which the dividend is paid or credited 
has a degree of Canadian ownership or control within the meaning of para- 
graph 1. 

7. That the 15 per cent rate of tax payable by a non-resident person on 
dividends paid or credited to him by a person resident in Canada be increased 
to 20 per cent with respect to dividends paid or credited after December 31, 
1964 by a corporation that in its taxation year in which the dividend is paid or 
credited does not have a degree of Canadian ownership or control within the 
meaning of paragraph 1. 

8. That where a corporation resident in Canada that in any year before 
1967 was not a corporation that had a degree of Canadian ownership and con- 
trol, within the meaning of paragraph 1, becomes a corporation that in 1967 has 
such a degree of Canadian ownership and control, a non-resident person shall 
be entitled to a refund equal to 

(a) 5 per cent of any dividends paid or credited by the corporation to him 
after June 13, 1963 and before January 1, 1965, in respect of which he 
has paid a tax of 15 per cent to Canada, and 

(b) 10 per cent of any dividends paid or credited by the corporation to him 
after December 31, 1964 and before January 1, 1967, in respect of which 
he has paid a tax of 20 per cent to Canada. 

9. That where a corporation (other than a non-resident-owned invest- 
ment corporation) paid or credited dividends during the period commencing 
on June 14, 1963 and ending on December 31, 1964 in taxation years in which 
it did not have a degree of Canadian ownership and control within the mean- 
ing of paragraph 1, the amount of which dividends exceeds five-fourths of 
the amount of dividends paid or credited by the corporation during that 
number of days immediately preceding June 14, 1963 that is equal to the 
number of days in the period commencing on June 14, 1963 and ending on 
December 31, 1964 that were included in taxation years in which the corpora- 
tion did not have such a degree of Canadian ownership and control, the cor- 
poration shall, on or before January 31, 1965, pay a special tax equal to 5 
per cent of the amount of the excess. 

10. That with respect to income earned after December 31, 1964 the 15 per 
cent tax imposed by Part IIIA of the Act on a non-resident corporation carrying 
on business in Canada be 20 per cent. 

11. That with respect to income of a non-resident-owned investment cor- 
poration earned after December 31, 1964 the present 15 per cent rate of tax be 
20 per cent. 

12. That any amount paid or credited after June 13, 1963, by a person 
resident in Canada to a non-resident person, as or on account of a management 
or administration fee or charge, be subject to the 15 per cent tax on income 
from Canada of non-resident persons. 

13. That with respect to interest paid by a person resident in Canada to a 
non-resident person on any obligation issued after June 13, 1963, if the non- 
resident person 

(a) is exempt from income tax in the country in which that person is 
resident; and 



240 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(b) has obtained a certificate of exemption from the Minister, 
the non-resident person be exempt from the 15 per cent rate of tax imposed 
in respect of such payment. 

14. That for the taxation years ending after November, 1965 a corporation 
shall during the 12 months period ending 4 months after the close of each 
taxation year, pay to the Receiver General of Canada 

(a) on or before the last day of each of the first 10 months in that period, 
an amount equal to one-twelfth of the tax as estimated by it at the 
rate for the taxation year 

(i) on its estimated taxable income for the year, or 
(ii) on its taxable income for the immediately preceding year, 

(b) on or before the last day of the eleventh month in the period, an 
amount equal to one-half of the remainder of the tax payable as 
estimated by it on its taxable income for the year at the rate for the 
year, and 

(c) on or before the last day of the period, the remainder of the tax 

and that for the taxation years ending after November, 1963 and before Decem- 
ber, 1964, a corporation shall, during the 11 months period ending 5 months 
after the close of its taxation year, pay to the Receiver General of Canada 

(d) on or before the last day of each of the first 9 months in that period, an 
amount equal to one-twelfth of the tax as estimated by it at the rate 
for the taxation year 

(i) on its estimated taxable income for the year, or 
(ii) on its taxable income for the immediately preceding year, 

(e) on or before the last day of the tenth month in the period, an amount 
equal to one-half of the remainder of the tax payable as estimated 
by it on its taxable income for the year at the rate for the year, and 

(/) on or before the last day of the period, the remainder of the tax, 
and that for taxation years ending after November, 1964 and before December, 
1965 a corporation shall, during the 11 months period ending 4 months after 
the close of its taxation year, pay to the Receiver General of Canada 

(g) on or before the last day of each of the first 9 months in that period, 
an amount equal to one-eleventh of the tax as estimated by it at the 
rate for the taxation year 

(i) on its estimated taxable income for the year, or 
(ii) on its taxable income for the immediately preceding year, 

(h) on or before the last day of the tenth month in the period, an amount 
equal to one-half of the remainder of the tax payable as estimated by 
it on its taxable income for the year at the rate for the year, and 

(i) on or before the last day of the period, the remainder of the tax. 

15. That the return of income for a taxation year that is to be filed with 
the Minister in prescribed form and containing prescribed information by or on 
behalf of a corporation be filed 

(a) for taxation years ending after November, 1963 and before December, 
1964 within 5 months from the end of the year, and 

(b) for taxation years ending after November, 1964, within 4 months from 
the end of the year. 






A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 23rd JULY 241 

16. That with respect to amounts received after June 13, 1963, where a 
taxpayer has received an amount in a taxation year, 

(a) as consideration for the sale or other disposition of any shares of a 
corporation or of any interest in such shares, 

(b) in consequence of a corporation having 

(i) redeemed or acquired any of its shares or reduced its capital stock, 

or 
(ii) converted any of its shares into shares of another class or into an 

obligation of the corporation, or 

(c) otherwise, as a payment that would, but for this provision, be exempt 
income, 

which amount, in the opinion of the Minister, was received by the taxpayer as 
part of a transaction or series of transactions whenever effected or to be effected, 
one of the purposes of which was or is to effect a substantial reduction of, or 
disappearance of, the assets of a corporation in such a manner that the whole 
or any part of any tax that might otherwise have been or become payable under 
the Act in consequence of any distribution of income of a corporation has been 
or will be avoided, the amount so received by the taxpayer or such part thereof 
as may be specified by the Minister shall, if the Minister so directs, 

(d) be included in computing the income of the taxpayer for that taxation 
year, and 

(c) in the case of a taxpayer who is an individual, be deemed to have been 
received by him as a dividend from a taxable corporation within the 
meaning of section 38 of the Act. 

17. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years where, in the case of 
two or more corporations, the Minister is satisfied 

(a) that the separate existence of those corporations is not solely for the 
purpose of carrying out the business of those corporations in the most 
effective manner, and 

(b) that one of the main reasons for such separate existence is to reduce 
the amount of taxes that would otherwise be payable under the Act 

the two or more corporations shall, if the Minister so directs, be deemed to be 
associated with each other. 

18. That upon any appeal to the Exchequer Court of Canada from an as- 
sessment in such case, the Court may confirm or vary any direction given by the 
Minister as provided in paragraph 16 or 17, or may vacate any such direction 
where it determines that 

(a) none of the purposes of the transaction or series of transactions re- 
ferred to in paragraph 16 was or is that specified in that paragraph, or 

(b) none of the main reasons for the separate existence of the corporations 
referred to in paragraph 17 is that specified in subparagraph (b) of 
that paragraph. 

19. That for the 1963 and subsequent taxation years 

(a) a business loss incurred in a previous year by a corporation may not 
be deducted in a taxation year if 

(i) the business in which the loss was sustained by the corporation 
was not carried on by it in the taxation year, and 



242 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(ii) in the period between the end of the year in which the loss was 
sustained and the end of the taxation year control of the corpora- 
tion has changed hands, and 

(b) a business loss incurred by a corporation in a taxation year may not 
be deducted in computing the income of the corporation for that taxa- 
tion year if the business in which the loss was sustained by the cor- 
poration was wound up or discontinued, and after such winding up or 
discontinuance control of the corporation passed to a person or persons 
who did not control the corporation in the year at any time when the 
business in which the loss was sustained was carried on; 

but this paragraph is not applicable where the change of the control of the 
corporation occurred prior to June 14, 1963. 

20. That for the 1963 and subsequent taxation years section 18 of the Act, 
which provides rules in the case of any lease option agreement, hire purchase 
agreement or other contract or arrangement for the leasing or hiring of prop- 
erty, be repealed, and appropriate transitional provisions be enacted in respect 
of any such contract or arrangement. 

21. That for the 1963 and subsequent taxation years the benefits received 
by an employee from his employer's contribution to a group life insurance plan 
that are at present excluded from income be excluded only if such contribution 
is in respect of group term life insurance. 

22. That, with respect to any annuity contract entered into after June 13, 
1963, that part of the proceeds of the contract that consists of interest accumu- 
lated prior to the date on which the annuity commences be included in comput- 
ing income of the recipient unless such proceeds are received as a life annuity 
or as a refund of premiums upon the death of the holder of the annuity contract. 

23. That for the 1962 and subsequent taxation years the manner of taxing 
a bankrupt corporation, a bankrupt individual and a trustee in bankruptcy be 
revised and in particular 

(a) that the trustee be deemed to be the agent of the bankrupt person for 
all purposes of the Act; 

(b) that section 63 of the Act not apply in the case of any income of the 
trustee from dealing in the property of the bankrupt person or from 
carrying on the business of the bankrupt person; 

(c) that the income of the bankrupt person be computed as if upon the 
occurrence of the bankruptcy the property of the bankrupt person 
did not pass to and vest in the trustee; and 

(d) that the trustee be liable for payment of any tax payable by the 
bankrupt person to the extent of the property of the bankrupt person 
in the possession of the trustee. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 23rd JULY 243 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 24th JULY 245 

No. 49 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 24th JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Four hundred and fifty petitions for Private Bills were presented in accord- 
ance with Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Fifth Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-27, An Act to incorporate Kinross 
Mortgage Corporation, and has agreed to report it with the following amend- 
ment: 

In Clause 1, line 13, page 1 of the Bill, after the word "Corporation,", insert 
the words: "and, in French, La Societe d'Hypotheque Kinross,". 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had agreed to the amendments made by the House of Commons to Bill 
S-12, An Act respecting Ukrainian National Federation of Canada, without any 
amendment. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following ten Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 437 — Mr. More 

1. (a) What are the amounts paid by the Government of Canada to the 
Province of Saskatchewan in conditional grants in each of the years 1953-1962 
inclusive (b) What were the specific programs and what was the amount of 



246 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

expenditure under each (c) What was the total amount for the period 1953- 
1957 inclusive (d) What was the total amount for the period 1958-1962 inclu- 
sive? 

2. (a) What were the amounts paid by the Government of Canada to the 
Province of Saskatchewan in unconditional grants in each of the years 1953- 
1962 inclusive (b) What was the total amount for the period 1953-1957 inclu- 
sive (c) What was the total amount for the period 1958-1962 inclusive? 

3. (a) What were the amounts of federal capital expenditures and grants 
made to the City of Regina in each of the years 1953-1957 inclusive (b) For 
what purpose, and under what program, and in what amounts were expendi- 
tures under (a) made (c) What were the amounts of federal capital expendi- 
tures and grants made to the City of Regina in each of the years 1958-1962 
inclusive (d) For what purpose, and under what program, and in what amounts 
were expenditures under (c) made? 



*No. 816 — Mr. Martineau 

1. Has the Minister of Finance received any protests and/or representations 
in regard to the withdrawal of the exemption of the 11% sales tax in regard to 
building materials and production equipment and machinery and, if so, what is 
the number of persons, associations, corporations or other bodies that have 
voiced such protests or made such representations, giving in each case their 
names or description? 

2. Have such persons, associations, corporations or other bodies informed 
the Minister of any building, construction or other project which may be 
cancelled, postponed or set aside because of the proposed withdrawal of exemp- 
tion of the said sales tax and, if so, what is (a) the total number of such projects 
(b) the total value thereof (c) the total number of jobs that may be involved by 
such proposed cancellation or postponement? 



No. 869 — Mr. Fisher 

1. Has the Department of Transport a record of all aircraft crashes in 
Canada and, if so, how many crashes have occurred in each year since 1959, 
including the first six months of 1963? 

2. In investigating the reasons for crashes, has the Department found that 
any have been caused by aircraft hitting cables and wires and, if so, what 
accidents, where, involving what persons and planes, to what cost in lives and 
damage? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



No. 934 — Mr. Knowles 

1. What is the average annual pension being paid, by rank, to permanent 
Armed Forces personnel retired in 1947? 

2. What is the average annual pension being paid, by rank, to permanent 
Armed Forces personnel retired in 1962? 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 24th JULY 247 

3. Have any adjustments been made, since they were retired, in the pen- 
sions of permanent Armed Forces personnel retired in 1947 and, if not, is con- 
sideration being given to such adjustments in the case of those retired (a) in 
1947 or earlier (b) since 1947 and prior to 1962? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 937— Mr. Basford 

With regard to the National Centenial Administration, to date (a) how 
many Board of Directors meetings have been held (b) on what dates were 
these meetings held (c) which Directors, if any, were absent from any such 
meetings (d) if any Directors were absent from any such meetings, what were 
the reasons for their absence (e) who are the members of the Executive Com- 
mittee (/) how many Executive Committee meetings have been held (g) on 
what dates were these meetings held (h) which members, if any, were absent 
from any meetings of the Executive Committee (i) if any members were 
absent, what were the reasons for their absence? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 938— Mr. Basford 

With regard to the allocation of grants by the National Centennial Admin- 
istration (a) to date, what applications have been received, and what is the 
amount of the grant applied for in each case (b) to date, what applications 
have been approved, and what is the amount approved in each case (c) when 
was the "first come, first served" policy of distribution of centennial grants 
established (d) what is the commencement date for the operation of this policy 
(e) apart from the seven principles set out in Appendix I of the Annual Report 
of National Centennial Administration 62/63, will any other principles apply 
and, if so, what are they (f) will any effort be made to evaluate one local 
centennial project by comparing it with other local centennial projects? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 939— Mr. Basford 

With regard to the National Centennial Administration (a) how many pro- 
vincial governments, and which ones, have established acceptable machinery 
for the processing and approval of local centennial projects (b) what efforts 
are being made to encourage provincial governments to establish such ma- 
chinery (c) when was the last meeting with representatives of the Government 
of British Columbia for the purpose of establishing such machinery (d) when 
is the next meeting for such purpose scheduled (e) if no such meeting is 
scheduled, is there any reason for not holding such meetings? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



No. 940 — Mr. Basford 
Has the City of Vancouver made formal application to the National Cen- 
tennial Administration for a centennial grant and, if so (a) for what purpose 
(b) at how many, and which meetings of the Board of Directors has this 
application been discussed (c) at how many, and which meetings of the Execu- 
tive Committee has this application been discussed (d) what is the present 
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status of this application (e) does this application presently comply with the 
seven requirements set out in Schedule I of the Annual Report 62/63 and, if 
not, which of the said seven requirements does the application not comply 
with? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



No. 941 — Mr. Basford 
With regard to the National Centennial Administration (a) how many local 
centennial committees have been established in Canada (b) how many local 
centennial committees have been established in British Columbia (c) if the 
answer to either part (a) or part (b) is unknown, are such figures collected 
(d) what efforts are being made to establish local centennial committees (e) 
have any brochures, pamphlets or other informational material (apart from 
copies of speeches) been prepared for the guidance of citizens or citizens' 
groups wishing to (i) apply for centennial grants (ii) commemorate our 
centennial (f) if the answer to part (e) is in the negative, is the preparation 
of such material being considered and, if so, when may such material be 
expected to be available? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



No. 950 — Mr. Barley 

1. What is the tariff rate on books? 

2. In the year 1962, what revenue did this tariff yield the government? 

3. What is the purpose of such tariff? 

4. Is there any consideration being given to changing the tariff on books? 

5. What is the value of total book sales in Canada for 1962? 

6. How many people are employed by book publishers, printers, and 
binders? 

7. How many original works were published in Canada in 1961, and 1962? 



On motion of Mr. Lambert, seconded by Mr. Nesbitt, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, 
reports, briefs and memoranda, and any replies thereto, received by the Minis- 
ter of Transport or any Minister of the Government or any government official, 
from the City of Edmonton, the Edmonton Municipal Airport authorities, or 
any other interested parties since January 1, 1954 to date, relative to the con- 
tinued use and development of the Edmonton Municipal Airport. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 55). 



On motion of Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Ricard, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of the censure motion adopted by the 
Quebec Legislative Assembly on June 26, 1963, sent to the Prime Minister on 
July 11, 1963, as well as a copy of the covering letter. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 57). 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 24th JULY 249 

On motion of Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Asselin (Richmond-Wolfe), it 
was ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying 
that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams, documents or notes, exchanged between the government, the Presi- 
dent of the Privy Council, any member of the staff of the Privy Council office, 
the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner of the National Centennial Admin- 
istration or any employees thereof, and the Government of the Province of 
British Columbia, concerning the Centennial of Canada's Confederation. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 61). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 62, 64, 65, 66, and 
68) having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Basford, seconded by Mr. Asselin (Richmond- Wolfe), it 
was ordered, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying 
that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, 
documents or letters (not previously laid before this House) exchanged be- 
tween the government, the Minister of National Defence, employees of the said 
Department, and the City of Vancouver or any Branch or Board thereof, rela- 
tive to that portion of R.C.A.F. Station, Vancouver, Kitsilano site, most recently 
leased to the City of Vancouver. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 63). 



On motion of Mr. Perron, seconded by Mr. Langlois, it was ordered, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence and documents ex- 
changed between the Government of Canada or any of its agencies and Ameri- 
can States and/or of minutes of proceedings of the meetings held between rep- 
resentatives of Canada or any of its accredited agencies and representatives 
of any other government in connection with the extension of unemployment 
insurance benefits to Canadians working in these American States. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 67). 



On motion of Mr. Starr, seconded by Mr. Churchill, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House copies of all correspondence and telegrams re- 
ceived by the Minister of Labour or any official of the Department of Labour 
in respect to the Municipal Winter Works Incentive Program between April 22, 
1963, and July 22, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
69). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means, and 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Atlantic Development Board 
Act, without amendment. 

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A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-1, An Act for the relief of Margaret Catherine Smith. 

Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Gladys Noreen Monette. 

Bill SD-3, An Act for the relief of Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie. 

Bill SD-4, An Act for the relief of Nicholas Cimbru Chambers. 

Bill SD-5, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski. 

Bill SD-6, An Act for the relief of Suzanne Chasse. 

Bill SD-7, An Act for the relief of Esther Wertheimer. 

Bill SD-8, An Act for the relief of Lygery Varverikos. 

Bill SD-9, An Act for the relief of Frank Hamilton Mingie, junior. 

Bill SD-10, An Act for the relief of Rosemary Beatrice Clare. 

Bill SD-11, An Act for the relief of Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette 
Champagne. 

Bill SD-1 2, An Act for the relief of Klara Brody. 

Bill SD-1 3, An Act for the relief of Bernice Bordensky. 

Bill SD-14, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Belanger. 

Bill SD-1 5, An Act for the relief of Christina Aube. 

Bill SD-1 6, An Act for the relief of Brigitte Dophide. 

Bill SD-17, An Act for the relief of Anita Margaret d'Esterre. 

Bill SD-1 8, An Act for the relief of Gladys Jean Desjardins. 

Bill SD-1 9, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Dankner. 

Bill SD-20, An Act for the relief of Florence Patricia Da Silva. 

Bill SD-21, An Act for the relief of Judith MacBeth Cuggy. 

Bill SD-22, An Act for the relief of Giuseppe de Cristoforo. 

Bill SD-23, An Act for the relief of Beverley Hayden Crerar. 

Bill SD-24, An Act for the relief of Paulyne Leblanc. 

Bill SD-25, An Act for the relief of Gabriela Kiwitt. 

Bill SD-26, An Act for the relief of Dorothea Margaret Kay. 

Bill SD-27, An Act for the relief of Wilma Karls. 

Bill SD-28, An Act for the relief of Felix Hollinger. 

Bill SD-29, An Act for the relief of Abie Herscovitch, otherwise known 
as Allan Herscovitch. 

Bill SD-30, An Act for the relief of Doris Sibyl Jane Hassall. 

Bill SD-31, An Act for the relief of Ezreh Harry Herscovitch. 

Bill SD-32, An Act for the relief of Robert Fleischer. 

Bill SD-33, An Act for the relief of William Rankin Edmondson. 

Bill SD-34, An Act for the relief of Leonard Emond. 

Bill SD-35, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Irene Marjorie Adams. 

Bill SD-36, An Act for the relief of Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki. 

Bill SD-37, An Act for the relief of Harry Hyman. 

Bill SD-38, An Act for the relief of Nadia-Anne Hruszij. 

Bill SD-39, An Act for the relief of Christine Johnson. 

Bill SD-40, An Act for the relief of Arlene June Kaczur. 

Bill SD-41, An Act for the relief of Mary Teresa Hough. 

Bill SD-42, An Act for the relief of Bernard Hebert. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 24th JULY 251 

Bill SD-43, An Act for the relief of Catherine Harper. 

Bill SD-44, An Act for the relief of Wilhelmina Grundy. 

Bill SD-45, An Act for the relief of Edith Diana Greenberg. 

Bill SD-46, An Act for the relief of Catherine Mildred Gray. 

Bill SD-47, An Act for the relief of Nancy Ruth Grabina. 

Bill SD-48, An Act for the relief of Lucille Goresky. 

Bill SD-49, An Act for the relief of Constance Valerie Laurie. 

Bill SD-50, An Act for the relief of Ellen Chase McKellar. 



The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Wahn, were deemed to have 
been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated July 15, 1963, (Question No. 800) showing: 
Have the salaries of the employees of the Post Office Department been increased 
since 1949 and, if so (a) in what years was each such increase granted (b) 
what was the amount of the increase in each case, by classification of worker? 

Seventh Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions for Acts 
to annul the marriage of the following, presented on July 23rd by Mr. Wahn, 
meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Francesco Clemente of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Grazia Marciano 
Clemente. 

Joseph Azarie Rene Major of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Louise 
Helene Nadeau Major. 

Claude Gerard Montpetit of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Katherine 
Hughes Montpetit. 

Paul-Emile Niquette of Sorel, Quebec, husband of Gisele Desrosiers 
Niquette. 

Margaret Catherine Mann Smith, wife of Douglas Kerr Smith of St. 
Lambert, Quebec. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 50 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 25th JULY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as 
follows: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Supplementary 
Estimates (B) of Sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1964, and, in accordance with the provisions of the British 
North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates 
to the House of Commons. 

GERALD FAUTEUX, 
Deputy of the Governor General. 

On motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, the said Message 
and Supplementary Estimates (B) were referred to the Committee of Supply. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-87, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff, without 
amendment. 



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A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-4, An Act to repeal The Newfoundland Savings Bank 
Act, 1939, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following Bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-26, An Act respecting Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company. — 
Mr. Granger. 

Bill S-30, An Act respecting The Monarch Life Assurance Company. — Mrs. 
Konantz. 

Bill S-31, An Act respecting The Canadian Manufacturers' Association. — 
Mr. Wahn. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (3) "] 

(Private Bills) 

Mr. Ryan, seconded by Mr. Roxburgh, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now 
leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee of the Whole on Private 
Bills (pursuant to Standing Order 54(1)); which was agreed to. 



Bill S-25, An Act respecting the Board of Trade of Metropolitan Toronto, 
was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read 
the third time and passed. 



Bill S-27, An Act to incorporate Kinross Mortgage Corporation, was con- 
sidered in Committee of the Whole, reported with an amendment (as made in 
the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce), and considered as 
amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-29, An Act respecting 
The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada; 

Mrs. Konantz, seconded by Mr. Ryan, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time; 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



Order No. 4 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of 
the government. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 255 

Order No. 5 having been called was, by unanimous consent, allowed to 
stand until later this day. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Aiken for Mr. Wahn, seconded 
by Mr. Ryan, the following bills were read the second time, on division, and 
referred to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills (together 
with the evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the said bills 
before the Senate Standing Committee on Divorce) : 

Bill SD-1, An Act for the relief of Margaret Catherine Smith. 

Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Gladys Noreen Monette. 

Bill SD-3, An Act for the relief of Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie. 

Bill SD-4, An Act for the relief of Nicholas Cimbru Chambers. 

Bill SD-5, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski. 

Bill SD-6, An Act for the relief of Suzanne Chasse. 

Bill SD-7, An Act for the relief of Esther Wertheimer. 

Bill SD-8, An Act for the relief of Lygery Varverikos. 

Bill SD-9, An Act for the relief of Frank Hamilton Mingie, junior. 

Bill SD-10, An Act for the relief of Rosemary Beatrice Clare. 

Bill SD-11, An Act for the relief of Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette 
Champagne. 

Bill SD-1 2, An Act for the relief of Klara Brody. 

Bill SD-13, An Act for the relief of Bernice Bordensky. 

Bill SD-1 4, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Belanger. 

Bill SD-15, An Act for the relief of Christina Aube. 

Bill SD-16, An Act for the relief of Brigitte Dophide. 

Bill SD-1 7, An Act for the relief of Anita Margaret d'Esterre. 

Bill SD-1 8, An Act for the relief of Gladys Jean Desjardins. 

Bill SD-19, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Dankner. 

Bill SD-20, An Act for the relief of Florence Patricia Da Silva. 

Bill SD-21, An Act for the relief of Judith MacBeth Cuggy. 

Bill SD-22, An Act for the relief of Giuseppe de Cristoforo. 

Bill SD-23, An Act for the relief of Beverley Hayden Crerar. 

Bill SD-24, An Act for the relief of Paulyne Leblanc. 

Bill SD-25, An Act for the relief of Gabriella Kiwitt. 

Bill SD-26, An Act for the relief of Dorothea Margaret Kay. 

Bill SD-27, An Act for the relief of Wilma Karls. 

Bill SD-28, An Act for the relief of Felix Hollinger. 

Bill SD-29, An Act for the relief of Abie Herscovitch, otherwise known 
as Allan Herscovitch. 

Bill SD-30, An Act for the relief of Doris Sibyl Jane Hassall. 

Bill SD-31, An Act for the relief of Ezreh Harry Herscovitch. 

Bill SD-32, An Act for the relief of Robert Fleischer. 

Bill SD-33, An Act for the relief of William Rankin Edmondson. 

Bill SD-34, An Act for the relief of Leonard Emond. 

Bill SD-35, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Irene Marjorie Adams. 

Bill SD-36, An Act for the relief of Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki. 
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Bill SD-37, An Act for the relief of Harry Hyman. 

Bill SD-38, An Act for the relief of Nadia-Anne Hruszij. 

Bill SD-39, An Act for the relief of Christine Johnson. 

Bill SD-40, An Act for the relief of Arlene June Kaczur. 

Bill SD-41, An Act for the relief of Mary Teresa Hough. 

Bill SD-42, An Act for the relief of Bernard Hebert. 

Bill SD-43, An Act for the relief of Catherine Harper. 

Bill SD-44, An Act for the relief of Wilhelmina Grundy. 

Bill SD-45, An Act for the relief of Edith Diana Greenberg. 

Bill SD-46, An Act for the relief of Catherine Mildred Gray. 

Bill SD-47, An Act for the relief of Nancy Ruth Grabina. 

Bill SD-48, An Act for the relief of Lucille Goresky. 

Bill SD-49, An Act for the relief of Constance Valerie Laurie. 

Bill SD-50, An Act for the relief of Ellen Chase McKellar. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Ryan, seconded 
by Mr. Roxburgh, — That Bill S-28, An Act to incorporate Allstate Life In- 
surance Company of Canada, be now read a second time. 



And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-5, An Act to approve an Agreement between the 
Government of Canada and the Government of the Province of Ontario re- 
specting Public Harbours, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



The Committee of Ways and Means resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

EXCISE TAX ACT 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Excise 
Tax Act and to provide among other things: 

1. That the present exemption from sales tax for certain building materials 
be withdrawn by repealing the exemption for all goods mentioned under the 
heading "Building Materials" in Schedule III of the said Act and by repealing 
the exemptions for 

(a) "Creosote oil and other wood preservatives when for use exclusively 
in the treatment of timber, poles or lumber;" 

(b) "Railway ties;" 

(c) "Goods for use as part of sewerage and drainage systems, and articles 
and materials to be used exclusively in the manufacture thereof;". 



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2. That any enactment based on paragraph 1 of this resolution provide that 

(a) goods for use as part of sewerage and drainage systems be exempt 
from sales tax when sold to or imported by a municipality for its own 
use and not for resale; 

(b) any transfer of a sewerage or drainage system to a municipality by 
any person within two years after the completion thereof, pursuant 
to a by-law of or agreement with that municipality under which that 
person is required to install such system and transfer it without charge 
to that municipality after the completion thereof be deemed, for 
the purpose of section 46 of the said Act, to be a sale to the munic- 
ipality for its own use and not for resale of goods for use as part 
of a sewerage or drainage system, 

and that any agency operating a sewerage or drainage system for or on behalf 
of a municipality may be declared by the Minister to be a municipality for the 
purpose of this paragraph. 

3. That any enactment based on paragraph 1 of this resolution provide 
that drain tile for agricultural purposes and materials to be used exclusively 
in the manufacture thereof be exempt from sales tax. 

4. That any enactment founded on paragraph 1 of this resolution provide 
that where materials have been purchased by or on behalf of a school, university 
or other similar educational institution for use exclusively in the construction 
of a building for that institution and the tax imposed by Part VI of the said Act 
has been paid in respect of those materials, the Minister of National Revenue 
may, upon application by the institution in such form as the Minister prescribes 
made to the Minister within two years from the time the materials were pur- 
chased, pay to the institution an amount equal to that tax. 

5. That any enactment founded on paragraph 1 of this resolution provide 
that a person who 

(a) manufactures or produces a building or other structure otherwise than 
at the site of construction or erection thereof, in competition with per- 
sons who construct or erect similar buildings or structures not so 
manufactured or produced, 

(b) manufactures or produces otherwise than at the site of construction 
or erection of a building or other structure, structural building sections 
for incorporation into such building or structure, in competition with 
persons who construct or erect buildings or other structures that in- 
corporate similar sections not so manufactured or produced, or 

(c) manufactures or produces concrete or cinder building blocks, 

be deemed for the purposes of the said Act not to be, in relation to any such 
building, structure, building sections or building blocks so manufactured or 
produced by him the manufacturer or producer thereof. 

6. That the present exemption from sales tax for "Seventy-five per cent of 
the sale price if manufactured in Canada, or seventy-five per cent of the duty 



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258 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

paid value if imported, of trailers for use as homes" be changed to read 
"Twenty-five per cent of the sale price if manufactured in Canada, or twenty- 
five per cent of the duty-paid value if imported, of trailers for use as homes". 

7. That the present exemption for certain machinery and apparatus to be 
used in manufacture or production be withdrawn by repealing the exemption 
for all goods mentioned under the headings "Machinery and Apparatus to be 
used in Manufacture or Production" and "Engines" in Schedule III of the said 
Act and by repealing the exemptions for 

(a) "Seismic shot-hole casing and materials used in the manufacture 
thereof;" 

(b) "Tires and tubes for use exclusively on the machinery enumerated in 
Customs Tariff Item 411a." 

(c) Goods enumerated in Customs Tariff items 399a, 399b, 399c, 411a, 417, 
431h, 439c, 848, 848a and 848b. 

8. That any enactment founded on paragraph 7 of this resolution provide 
that traction engines for farm purposes and accessories therefor (not including 
machines and tools for operation by such engines) and complete parts of all the 
foregoing, and materials to be used exclusively in the manufacture of the said 
engines, accessories or parts be exempt from sales tax. 

9. That any enactment founded on paragraph 7 of this resolution provide 
that farm wagons, including four-wheeled farm wagons equipped to be tractor 
drawn and farm sleds, and materials to be used exclusively in the manufacture 
thereof be exempt from sales tax. 

10. That the present exemption from sales tax for "Photographs, paintings, 
pastels, drawing and other art work and illustrations of all kinds, whether 
originals, copies or proofs, and printing plates made to reproduce the same, for 
use exclusively as non-advertising news pictures or for illustrating non-adver- 
tising articles or stories in periodical publications enjoying second-class mailing 
privileges, the pages of which are regularly bound, wired, stitched or otherwise 
fastened together;" be changed to read "Typesetting and composition, metal 
plates, cylinders, matrices, film, art work, designs, photographs, rubber material, 
plastic material and paper material, when impressed with or displaying or car- 
rying an image for reproduction by printing, made or imported by or sold to a 
manufacturer or producer for use exclusively in the manufacture or production 
of printed matter." 

11. That feeds for fish, supplements for addition to such feeds, and mate- 
rials to be used exclusively in the manufacture of such feeds or supplements be 
exempt from sales tax. 

12. That the exemption from sales tax for materials for use in the equip- 
ment and repair of ships over ten tons net register tonnage be restricted to 
materials for use in the equipment and repair of ships to be used exclusively for 
commercial purposes. 

13. That the present exemption from sales tax for "Bakers' cakes and pies 
including biscuits, cookies or other similar articles;" be changed to read 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 259 

"Bakers' cakes and pies including biscuits, cookies and similar articles but 
not including simulated chocolate bars or candy bars;". 

14. That the export duty of three one-hundredths of one cent per kilowatt 
hour on electrical power exported from Canada be repealed. 

15. That any enactment founded on paragraphs 1 to 13 of this resolution 
be deemed to have come into force on June 14, 1963, and any enactment 
founded on paragraph 14 of this resolution be applicable in respect of electrical 
power exported after June, 1963. 

16. That with respect to the period commencing June 14, 1963 and ending 
March 31, 1964, the rate of tax payable under Part VI of the said Act in 
respect of any goods for which exemption from tax was withdrawn by any 
enactment founded on paragraphs 1 and 7 of this resolution be four per cent 
instead of eight per cent, and that with respect to the period commencing 
June 14, 1963 and ending December 31, 1964 the rate of tax payable under 
subsection (1) of section 10 of the Old Age Security Act in respect of any such 
goods be nil. 

17. That the said measure further provide that 

(a) where any tax under Part VI of the said Act has become payable 
by any person in respect of any goods for which exemption for tax 
under that Part was withdrawn by any enactment founded on para- 
graphs 1 and 7 of this resolution, which goods were, not later than 
December 31, 1964, sold and delivered by that person, or applied by 
that person to a use resulting in the property in the goods passing 
from that person, pursuant to a bona fide contract in writing 

(i) that provided for the sale of those goods or their application to 
that use for a fixed amount stated in the contract and that did 
not permit the adding of the tax to the amount payable to that 
person under the contract, and 

(ii) that was signed by the parties thereto 

(A) on or before June 13, 1963, or 

(B) after June 13, 1963, if the contract was entered into in ac- 
cordance with the terms of a tender in writing submitted 
by that person on or before that day whereby that person 
undertook to enter into such a contract and in default of 
so doing to incur or cause to be incurred a pecuniary penalty 
whether by forfeiture of a security deposit or otherwise, 

a refund, or deduction from any of the taxes imposed by the said 
Act, of the tax or such part thereof as could not under the contract 
be added to the amount payable to that person thereunder may be 
granted to that person; and 

(b) where any goods for which exemption from tax under Part VI of 
the said Act was withdrawn by any enactment founded on paragraphs 
1 and 7 of this resolution were, after June 13, 1963 and not later than 
December 31, 1964, sold and delivered by any person, or applied by 
any person to a use resulting in the property in the goods passing 
from that person, pursuant to a bona fide contract in writing 

(i) that provided for the sale of those goods or their application to 
that use for a fixed amount stated in the contract and that did 
not permit the adding of any tax under that Part that became 
payable after June 13, 1963 in respect of those goods to the 
amount payable to that person under the contract, and 



260 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(ii) that was signed by the parties thereto 

(A) on or before June 13, 1963, or 

(B) after June 13, 1963, if the contract was entered into in 
accordance with the terms of a tender in writing submitted 
by that person on or before that day whereby that person 
undertook to enter into such a contract and in default of 
so doing to incur or cause to be incurred a pecuniary penalty 
whether by forfeiture of a security deposit or otherwise, 

an amount equal to the tax or such part thereof as could not under 
the contract be added to the amount payable to that person there- 
under may, where application therefor is made to the Minister of 
National Revenue by that person in such form as the Minister pre- 
scribes within two years from the time the goods were delivered by 
that person or applied by him to that use, and the Minister is satisfied 
that the tax has been paid, be paid by the Minister to that person. 

18. That the said measure further provide that where a person has im- 
ported into Canada for sale or for his own use gasoline, aviation fuel or diesel 
oil and the aggregate duty paid value of the goods so imported by him in any 
period of twelve consecutive months commencing on or after August 1, 1963, 
exceeds three thousand dollars, he shall, for the purposes of Part VI of the said 
Act, be deemed to be the manufacturer or producer in Canada of the goods so 
imported by him in that period, and not the importer thereof. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Garland, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, on division, 
considered in Committee of the Whole, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

Eighth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on July 24 by Mr. Wahn, meet the require- 
ments of Standing Order 70: 

Margaret Ellynore MacDougall Abbott, wife of Ernest Ketson Abbott of 
Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 261 

Carmen Lister Abrams, wife of Theodore Martin Abrams of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Dorothy Irene Marjorie Hunt Adams, wife of Merrill Karn Adams of St. 
Jean, Quebec. 

Agnes Blumenthal Agai, wife of Nicolas Agai of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marylin Jean Moore Alie, wife of John Alie of Montreal, Quebec. 

Demetre Almyriotis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Evanthia Stamelos 
Almyriotis. 

John Andre Anderson of St. Leonard-de-Port-Maurice, Quebec, husband 
of Elizabeth Augusta Margaretha Jarschel Anderson. 

Ruth Diana Williams Andrews, wife of Douglas Frank Andrews of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Catherine Gerasimos Temponeras Andrulakis, wife of Miltiadis George 
Andrulakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Roger Bernard Angel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Yvonne 
Suzanne Boyer Angel. 

Armando Argentini of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Angela Giacondi 
Argentini. 

Juliana Magdelene Rothlaender Ashley, wife of Charles William Ashley of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Anne Marie Perrozzino Asselin, wife of Roger Asselin of St-Martin, Quebec. 

Etienne Auclair of Otterburn Heights, Quebec, husband of Andree Dion 
Auclair. 

Sylvia Talierco Aucoin, wife of John Charles Aucoin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alphonse Audet of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gracia Gagnon Audet. 

Paul Romain Bernard Babeu of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Jean- 
nette L'ltalien, dit St. Laurent Babeu. 

Denise Vezeau Bachelder, wife of Stanley John Arthur Bachelder of Rouge- 
mont, Quebec. 

Sonja Swerzowa Bagry, wife of Ionaz Bagry of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alma Ivy Trineer Bankley, wife of Gordon Lloyd Bankley of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Walter Barber of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Agnes Lacey Barber. 

Edouard Joseph Armand Baril of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Therese Bibiane Noel Baril. 

Alfred Bartlett of He Perrot, Quebec, husband of Jeannette Jodoin Bartlett. 

Iva Annett Baumgartner, wife of Peter Baumgartner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Donald Beakes of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Pauline Houle Beakes. 

Marie Jeanne Dumont Beaulieu, wife of J. E. Roger Bernard Beaulieu of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Dorothy Hazel Neila Bell Beausoleil, wife of Joseph Albert William Beau- 
soleil of Montreal, Quebec. 

Percy Beauvais of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Mary Letitia McKenzie 
Beauvais. 

Paul-Aime Bedard of the Province of Quebec, husband of Jean Shirley 
Yvonne Carter Bedard. 

Jacqueline Dumontet Belanger, wife of Marcel Belanger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



262 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Jeannie Kozak Belchik, wife of Paul Belchik of Montreal, Quebec. 

Pardo Belpulso of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rosa Ruta Belpulso. 

Margit Schlosszer Bene, wife of Janos Gabor Bene of Chibougamau, Quebec. 

Aranka Ilona Paris Berendy, wife of Bela Julius Berendy of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gladys Ethel Sarah Baker Bergeron, wife of Philip Joseph Bergeron of 
Pointe St. Charles, Quebec. 

Joseph Ernest Andre Bergeron of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Rejeanne Francoise Therese Francoeur Bergeron. 

Guy Bertrand of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Colombe Grondin Bert- 
rand. 

Guy Bertrand of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Fabiola Mathurin 
Bertrand. 

Diane Lillian Kirkus Black, wife of Bruce Andrew Black of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Jean-Paul Fernand Blanchette of Riviere a Gagnon, Quebec, hus- 
band of Marie Jeanne Charbonneau Blanchette. 

June Grafton Blickstead, wife of Ralph Blickstead of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kenneth Allen Blight of St. Eustache sur-le-Lac, Quebec, husband of Iris 
Maureen Barnett Blight. 

Gizella Ethel Nagy Bogoly, wife of Louis Bogoly of Montreal, Quebec. 

Madeleine Stattner Bornstein, wife of James Bornstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Simonne Michele Mona Routier Bouchard, wife of Jacques Bouchard of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Robert Boucher of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Gisele Brisebois 
Boucher. 

Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine 
Theriault Bougie. 

Pamela Mcintosh Blair, wife of Alexander Wallace Anthony Blair of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Claire Detwiler Bradford, wife of Elwood Joseph Bradford of Beaconsfield, 
Quebec. 

Richard Price Bradley of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Joan Allen Bradley. 

Anna Annette Elofer Brahmi, wife of Alfred Emile Isaac Brahmi of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Georgiana Bull Brasseur, wife of Robert Brasseur of Montreal, Quebec. 

Aurella Lapikas Breard, wife of Jean Breard of Montreal, Quebec. 

James Robert Breslin of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Mary Marlene 
Leona Beaudoin Breslin. 

Shirley Anderson Brimacombe, wife of Irving Brimacombe of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Klara Ary Brody, wife of Otto Brody of Montreal, Quebec. 

Robert Brooks of Duvernay, Quebec, husband of Ludmilla Elissa Topol- 
nicki Brooks. 

Edward Brown of Dorval, Quebec, husband of Ginette Cameron Brown. 

Elizabeth Helen Peto Brown, wife of Robert Morel Brown of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marjorie McEachern Brown, wife of Arnold Galbraith Brown of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 263 

Wilma Gloria Hill Bryson, wife of Lloyd George Bryson of Lachute, Quebec. 

Gerhard Hermann Buchholz of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ingrid Koenig 
Buchholz. 

Jean Ilene Woods Buckley, wife of Kenneth George Buckley of Chomedey, 
Quebec. 

Lois Ferguson Budd, wife of Hilsborne Budd of Roxboro, Quebec. 

Alexander Burke of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Emerantienne St-Pierre 
Burke. 

Olga Antonina Safian Burkousky, wife of Joseph Marion Burkousky of 
Lachine, Quebec. 

Linda Alice Gardner Burrows, wife of Michael Heber Burrows of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lorraine Bastien Burt, wife of Harold Edmund Burt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Cecile Marcoux Caille, wife of Roland Caille of Montreal, Quebec. 

Bruce Reid Campbell of Westmount, Quebec, husband of June Ethel Phyllis 
Barton Campbell. 

Collin Mills Campbell of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Barbara June Jones 
Campbell. 

Francoise Hebert Campion, wife of Kenneth Rea Campion of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rochelle Pleet Caplan, wife of Allan Steven Caplan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jeannette Tremblay Carignan, wife of Henri Carignan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Daniel Gaston Jules Caron of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Yolande 
Fouquart Caron. 

Judith Elizabeth Stacey Caron, wife of Norman Michael Caron of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Anne Rennie Chadwick-Rider, wife of Clifford John Chadwick- 
Rider of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nicholas Cimbru Chambers of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Germaine 
Leclerc Chambers. 

Marie Paule Jacqueline Lorette Noel Champagne, wife of Joseph Ovila 
Raymond Champagne of Montreal, Quebec. 

Robert Charles Chapman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Jane 
Griffin Chapman. 

Suzanne Pampalon Chasse, wife of Jean Chasse of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alice Elizabeth Newman Clarke, wife of Warren Clarke of Ville LeMoyne, 
Quebec. 

Rosemary Beatrice Overett Clare, wife of Derek Clare of Outremont, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Heather MacNicoll Clayton, wife of Peter Clayton of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Anita Duguay Cleri, wife of Vinicio Cleri of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elsie Champ Clifford, wife of Peter Clifford of Montreal, Quebec. 

William James Coade of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marguerite Forget 
Coade. 

Edie (Etta) Kaufman Cohen, wife of Husmond (Hy) Cohen of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



264 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Vivian Marjery Singer Cohen, wife of Mortimer Cohen of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rose Frishling Cohen, wife of Ronald Cohen of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rose Norris Coletta, wife of Harold Coletta of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rolland Commoy of Laval des Rapides, Quebec, husband of Aline Celine 
Milot Commoy. 

Margot Scott Bradley Connor, wife of David James Connor of Town of 
Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Ann Marie Thibeau Cooke, wife of Kevin Patrick Cooke of the Province of 
Newfoundland. 

Beverley Hayden Forman Crerar, wife of Colin Douglas Crerar of Beacons- 
field, Quebec. 

Judith MacBeth Complin Cuggy, wife of Kenneth Douglas Cuggy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Josephine Mary Holmes Croll, wife of Donald Edmund Croll of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Anna Csillag, wife of Franz Csillag of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edward Czerniak of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jeanne Charlebois 
Czerniak. 

Philip Dalgleish of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Rosemarie Bohn Dalgleish. 

Marie Raymonde Violetta Douillard Dalpe, wife of Donald Dalpe of Drum- 
mondville, Quebec. 

Sylvia Lipson Dankner, wife of Philip Dankner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Florence Patricia Finucane Da Silva, wife of Aubrey Terrence Da Silva of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Ruby Emma Clough Davies, wife of John Lewellyn Davies of Montreal 
West, Quebec. 

Gita Joy Kaplan Davis, wife of A. Mortimer Davis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Fortin Decelles of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Simonne Letour- 
neau Decelles. 

Lucien Decoeur of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rachel Belanger Decoeur. 

Ruth Ensor Decosse, wife of Robert Decosse of Montreal, Quebec. 

Giuseppe de Cristofaro of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Brigide Roy de 
Cristofaro. 

Elsie Jean Oakley Delisle, wife of Leo Roger Delisle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alexandra Pantzaras Deliyannakis, wife of Nicholas Deliyannakis of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Gladys Jean Assaf Desjardins, wife of Joseph Julien Leopold Desjardins 
of Ste. Therese, Quebec. 

Hilda Copley Desjardins, wife of Joseph Real Robert Desjardins of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Anita Margaret Steele d'Esterre, wife of Robert Duncan d'Esterre of Bea- 
consfield, Quebec. 

Margaret Joan Parkinson Digby, wife of George Arnold Digby of Ville 
St. Michel, Quebec. 

Patricia Beverley Lang Dimeo, wife of Alexander Hough Dimeo of Mont- 
real West, Quebec. 

Thomas Wesley Dixon of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Raymonde 
Camille Corbeil Dixon. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 265 

John Donaldson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Evelyn Mahaffey Donald- 
son. 

Jean Helen Wales Donnan, wife of James Stewart Donnan of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Brigitte Siedel Dophide, wife of Wilfrid Dophide of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Edward Dorozowsky of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Tatiana Roxolana 
Diduch Dorozowsky. 

Alexandra Hunievicz Dublanski, wife of Joseph Dublanski of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie Claire Rolande Laporte Dubois, wife of Lorenzo Dubois of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Paul Andre Clement Robert Dubois of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mi- 
reille Suzanne Jacquet Dubois. 

Mildred Emily Velcoff Dumas, wife of Joseph Adrien Rolland Dumas of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Hazel Weir Durocher, wife of Georges Durocher of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rose Gratton Duval, wife of Aurele Duval of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rosemary Louise Di Gravina Eakins, wife of Peter Russel Eakins of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Doreen Dreyer Kane Eastwood, wife of Bruce David Eastwood of Lachine, 
Quebec. 

William Rankin Edmondson of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband of 
Marjorie Beryl Blodgett Edmondson. 

Joseph Arthur Norman William Edwards of Lasalle, Quebec, husband of 
Muriel Joyce Bray Edwards. 

Jacques Ekaireb of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eva Staszower Ekaireb. 

Jacqueline Maynard Elfstrom, wife of Edward Albert Elfstrom of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Ruth Ilona Mickley Elkin, wife of Sidney Elkin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joyce Eileen Menzie Elliott, wife of Robert Adams Elliott of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Leonard Emond of Repentigny, Quebec, husband of Bella Savard Emond. 

Joyce Ethel Martin Empey, wife of John Franklyn Empey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean Alexandria MacPhail Etheridge, wife of Kenneth Charles Etheridge 
of St-Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 

Dorothy Gladys Keane Faucher, wife of Alfred Faucher of Westmount, 
Quebec. 

John Faucher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marion Gardner Faucher. 

Jean Mildred Giberson Fillmore, wife of Eric Edwin Fillmore of Roxboro, 
Quebec. 

Marie Gertrude Helene Richer Flamme, wife of Christian Alain Flamme 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Robert Fleischer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Agnes Pataki Fleischer. 

Louise Simard-Flynn, wife of Raymond Flynn of St. Michel, Quebec. 

Pauline Abrams Foster, wife of Alexander Foster of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Iris Neil Fournier, wife of Jean Jacques Fournier of Dorval, Quebec. 

Alethea Arnold Fowler, wife of Irwin Fowler of Baldwins Mills, Quebec. 

Marie Aline Martine Boucher France, wife of Sidney T. France of Dorval, 
Quebec. 



266 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Marie Marguerite Nicole Bisaillon Fraser, wife of Robert Fraser of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Cowan Lecky Frawley, wife of Lawrence Patrick Frawley of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Thelma Schuker Freeman, wife of Reuben Freeman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Haia (Clara) Weissman Fuchsman, wife of Iosif (Josif) Fuchsman of 
Chateauguay Gardens, Quebec. 

Jeannine Fauteux Furoy, wife of Edward Furoy of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gaston Joseph Gagnon of Ville La Salle, Quebec, husband of Mariette 
Gabrielle Gagnon. 

Margaret Elaine Arthur Gallagher, wife of Raymond Hugh Gallagher of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Sheppard Gallagher, wife of Thomas Joseph Gallagher of St. John's, 
Newfoundland. 

Rose Marie Luci Gates, wife of John Earl Gates of Montreal, Quebec. 

Herve Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carmen Sicard Gauthier. 

Rosaire Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Diane Auclair Gauthier. 

Helen Doreen Nesbitt Gearey, wife of Wayne Norman Gearey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Josephine Isabella Irvine Geiger, wife of Eric A. Geiger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Therese Lambert Genest, wife of Claude Genest of Westmount, Quebec. 

Nicole Marie Pineau Geoffroy, wife of Bernard Marcel Geoffroy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Therese Harnois Geraldeau, wife of Richard Geraldeau of Verdun, Quebec. 

Gordon Gibb of Granby, Quebec, husband of Georgette Carmen Nolin Gibb. 

Marie Augustine Jeannette Rail Gibbs, wife of William David Gibbs of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Yvonne Agarand Giguere, wife of Claude Giguere of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Kate Lester Gillman, wife of Saul Gillman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Wilfrid Giroux of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Laurette Chamberland 
Giroux. 

Marie Emilia Rolande Bernier Gittens, wife of Kenneth Fitzgerald Gittens 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Amy Sandra Jaques Glendinning, wife of Gerald Ronald Glendinning of 
Hudson, Quebec. 

Marie Yvonne Lucie Robillard Godard, wife of Joseph Arthur Jean Godard 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Geraldine Cecilia Keating Gohier, wife of Gerald Raymond Gohier of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Lucille Issenman Goresky, wife of Irving Goresky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Harvey Stewart Wycliffe Goodwin of Westmount, Quebec, husband of 
Marilyn Thompson Fisher Goodwin. 

Lise Bergeron Goulet, wife of Jean Goulet of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nancy Ruth Romaniuk Grabina, wife of Jerry Grabina of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Kingsley Seafield Grant of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband of 
Dorothea Idnella Yates Grant. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 267 

Gilles Graveline of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marielle Demers Grave- 
line. 

Catherine Mildred Fogarty Gray, wife of Joseph George Robert Gray of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Edith Diane Shapiro Greenberg, wife of Seymour Bernard Greenberg of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Albert Greensell, wife of Remi Greensell of Montreal, Quebec. 

Barbara Gladys George Gregory, wife of Marshall Donald Ward Gregory of 
Lake Selby, Quebec. 

Joan Marjorie Baker Gregor-Pearse, wife of Reginald Clive Gregor-Pearse 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Noreen Smith Griffith, wife of Austin Frederic Griffith of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Francesco Grilli of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Barbara Atkinson Grilli. 

Wilhelmina Morrison Grundy, wife of George William Grundy of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Marie-Louise Bourassa Guay, wife of Jean-Marie Guay of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margarete Huber Guimond, wife of Andre Guimond of Montreal, Quebec. 

Madeleine Francoise Patenaude Hankowski, wife of Jan Paul Hankowski 
of the Province of Quebec. 

Arthur Bruce Hann of Musgravetown, Newfoundland, husband of Minnie 
Jane Little Hann. 

John Harman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ann Frogley Harman. 

Graham Campbell Harris of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Edna Mary 
Davies Harris. 

Robert Harrison of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Jeanette Nolan 
Harrison. 

Margaret Anne Honey Harvey, wife of Edmund Giff ord Harvey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Doris Sibyl Jane Godsell Hassall, wife of Frederick James Hassall of Ver- 
dun, Quebec. 

Bernard Hebert of Greenfield Park, Quebec, husband of Helen Rudolph 
Hebert. 

Abie (Allan) Herscovitch of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Fannie (Fay) 
Green Herscovitch. 

Germaine Marie Therese Dubeau Hinksman, wife of John Hugh Dodd 
Hinksman of St. Lambert, Quebec. 

June Eleanor Elvidge Holgate, wife of Donald Harold Holgate of Greenfield 
Park, Quebec. 

Felix Hollinger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Adeline Ruskin Hollinger. 

Richard Wilfrid Earl .Hogan of Cote St. Luc, Quebec, husband of Mary 
Margaret McAleer Hogan. 

Micheline Deyglun Holowaty, wife of Sem Holowaty of Montreal, Quebec. 

George Cecil Horton of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Audrey Josephine 
Bach Horton. 

Dorothy Doreen Bertram Howell, wife of William Alfred Howell of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Nadia-Anne Lucyshyn Hruszij, wife of My cola Hruszij of Montreal, Quebec. 

Franklin Dale Hufford of Chomedey, Quebec, husband of Geraldine Anne 
Milner Hufford. 



268 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

John Joseph Huitson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Noel Huitson. 

Muriel Howarth Bazley Hulbig, wife of William John Hulbig of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lillian Florence Catherine Kaye Hurst, wife of Douglas Charles Hurst of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Harry Hyman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rose Teresa Emond Hyman. 

Ion Ignatescu of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Saveta Palagian Ignatescu. 

Robert Inglis, Jr., of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Dorothy Edith Dodd 
Inglis. 

Haidy Amalie Madelaine Vasesha Jack, wife of John Thomas Jack of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Rosa Degen Jacobson, wife of Michael Jacobson of Montreal, Quebec. 

Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Vittorina Ber- 
nardi Janicki. 

Antonello Javicoli of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Silvana Strapazzini 
Javicoli. 

Marie Joan Patricia Romano Jeffries, wife of Joseph William Jeffries of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Christine Viger Johnson, wife of Harteny Lawrence Johnson of Valois, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis Carol Green Johnston, wife of William Johnston of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Beverley Anne Basford Jones, wife of Eric Thomas Jones of Pierrefonds, 
Quebec. 

Cacilie Johanna Friederike Hagedorn Kaatz, wife of Herbert Kaatz of St. 
Laurent, Quebec. 

Arlene June Roy Kaczur, wife of Gerald Joseph Kaczur of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Regina Brauner Kamin, wife of Isak dit Jack Kamin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Peter Karas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Lilly Rosa Zimmerman 
Karas. 

Wilma Goldstein Karls, wife of Ludwig Karls of Cote St. Luc, Quebec. 

Hazel Vera Kennedy, wife of Michael Francis Kennedy of St. John's, New- 
foundland. 

Colleen Ann Sheen Kenny, wife of William Harold Kenny, Jr., of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Anna Varga Kenwood, wife of Ronald Albert Kenwood of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elisabeth Ingrid 
Lopinski Kerlikowsky. 

Zelda Barbara Fine Kimberg, wife of Irving Noah Kimberg of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gabriela Meislova Kiwitt, wife of William Kiwitt of Beaurepaire, Quebec. 

Anita Carpman Klaiman, wife of Raymond Klaiman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mildred Dishell Kligman, wife of Sam Kligman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anita Guido Lorencin Knezevic, wife of Zoran Mitar Knezevic of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Maureen Davies Knowles, wife of Geoffrey Arnold Knowles of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Anne Hanley Kotania, wife of Thaddeus Julian John Kotania 
of LaSalle, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 269 

Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Jacobi Kovacs, wife of Lajos Louis 
Kovacs of Montreal, Quebec. 

Molly Slobod Krakower, wife of David Krakower of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Jeannette Hazlett Krautle, wife of Karl Otto Krautle of Arundel, 
Quebec. 

Lillian Cere Kulczycki, wife of Steve Kulczycki of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Joseph Laflamme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anne Marie 
Schoenwandt Laflamme. 

Nora Bridget Whelan Lahey, wife of John Joseph Lahey of the Province 
of Newfoundland. 

Geralde Boucher Lalonde, wife of Roger Rene Lalonde of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gilles Lamoureux of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Liliane Laperriere La- 
moureux. 

Constance Lebaron Dibblee Lank, wife of Raymond Bailey Lank of Mont- 
real West, Quebec. 

Stephen Alexander Lantos of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Luise 
Schmidt Lantos. 

Marie Celine Pierrette Lavoie Lapointe, wife of Laurent Lapointe of La- 
chine, Quebec. 

Joyce Irene Bernard Larocque, wife of Andrew Joseph Larocque of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Constance Valerie McKnight Laurie, wife of Norman Earl Laurie of Ver- 
dun, Quebec. 

Philippe Lebeau of Ville LaSalle, Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Pilon 
Lebeau. 

Maurice Le Bel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Yvonne Desalliers Le Bel. 

Paulyne Gagnon Leblanc, wife of Andre Leblanc of Montreal, Quebec. 

Stella Proctor Leblanc, wife of Bernard Leblanc of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Maurice Real Lecompte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Rose Dolores Helene Turenne Lecompte. 

Guy Lefebvre of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine Bergeron Le- 
febvre. 

Ada Josephine Ford Lejeune, wife of Ronald Lome Lejeune of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Violet Pearl St. James Kerr Lemoine, wife of Stanley Allen Lemoine of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Maria Jeney Lenkei, wife of Francois Ferenc Lenkei (Leichtag) of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Anita Marie Virginie Bouffard Leroux, wife of Andre Leroux of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Celia Mucznik Lesnik, wife of Borys Lesnik of Montreal, Quebec. 

Teresa Botulynska Lesiuk, wife of Julian Roman Lesiuk of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Phyllis Marie Walsh Lessard, wife of Aurelien Joseph Lessard of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean Gold Letovsky, wife of Louis Wolfe Letovsky of Dorval, Quebec. 

Ines Barbara Harari Levy, wife of Nessim (Nathan) Levy of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



270 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Margaret Ada Edwards Lewis, wife of Gilbert Stephen Lewis of St. Lau- 
rent, Quebec. 

Jean Bernard L'Heureux of Ville LeMoyne, Quebec, husband of Monique 
St. Germain L'Heureux. 

Marsha Mendelman Liberman, wife of Saul Liberman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sheila Izemberg Liebling, wife of Gilbert Liebling of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gertrude Vutz Lindener, wife of Arthur Lindener of Montreal, Quebec. 

William John Loke of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Verna Irene Loke. 

Nathalie Katyk Longtin, wife of Claude Valois Longtin of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Dorothy Estelle Gibbons Lord, wife of Richard Leslie Michael Lord of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

John (Lougheed) Loughheed of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carmen 
Marceau (Lougheed) Loughheed. 

Barbara Joan Sonia Horsfield Lowther, wife of Gordon Readman Lowther 
of Hudson, Quebec. 

Karl-Heinz Hans Luedders of Laval des Rapides, Quebec, husband of Irene 
Antonie Otten Luedders. 

Frances Feldman Lyman, wife of Harvey Lyman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ann Marguerite Barnett MacDonald, wife of Russell Albert MacDonald of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Thelma Joanette Lawless MacDonald, wife of John Francis MacDonald of 
the Province of Quebec. 

Margaret Meredith Cape MacDougall, wife of Robert Reford MacDougall of 
Saraguay, Quebec. 

Vera Irene Scott MacKenzie, wife of William George MacKenzie of La- 
chute, Quebec. 

Garfield Maclean of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Hazel Hollett Maclean. 

Edna Anne Stanley MacPherson, wife of George Anthony MacPherson of 
the Town of St. Basile le Grand, Quebec. 

Louisa Greig McAleer, wife of John James McAleer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Maureen Carol McCullough McAlinden, wife of John Francis McAlinden 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Vida Irene Louise Zwicker McCallum, wife of William Neil McCallum of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Edith Rozel Dougan McDougall, wife of David McDougall of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Rose Hamel McDuff, wife of Leonard Edward McDuff of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Micheline Bastien McGuire, wife of Andre McGuire of Montreal, Quebec. 

Angus Mcintosh of Verdun, Quebec, husband of June Theresa Gearey 
Mcintosh. 

Ellen Chase Biggar McKellar, wife of Bruce McKellar of Montreal, Quebec. 

Pamela Ellen Wischhusen McLeod, wife of Percy Peerce McLeod of St. 
Laurent, Quebec. 

Sandra E. Haan McVety, wife of John A. McVety of Montreal, Quebec. 
Frances Sheila Cashmore Madden, wife of Raymond Norman Madden of 
Ville LaSalle, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 271 

Patricia Marjorie Fulton Maisonet, wife of Harold Edward Maisonet of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Phyllis Amber Manoah, wife of Yaacov Manoah of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edward Sidney Mansfield of Bois de Filion, Quebec, husband of Dorothea 
Lyon Innes Mansfield. 

George Mantadakis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Paraskevi Dogatzi 
Mantadakis. 

Leo-Rene Maranda of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Renee Haineault 
Maranda. 

Leonard Marchand (Mihalcean) of Pont-Viau, Quebec, husband of Ger- 
trude Emond Marchand (Mihalcean). 

Soshy Judith Teicher Marcovitz, wife of Jessel (Jason) Benjamin Marco- 
vitz of Outremont, Quebec. 

Dawn Dorothea Armstrong Marsden, wife of Ross John Chambers Marsden 
of St. Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 

Sandra Mary Louise Deering Martin, wife of Wallace Martin of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie Catherine Beaubien Frances Drumm Mathieu, wife of Joseph Oscar 
Pierre Mathieu of Outremont, Quebec. 

Anna Luella Zacharias Matthews, wife of Ronald Rupert Matthews of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Mildred Dawson Larmonth Meakins, wife of Jonathan Fayette Meakins of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Stella Eileen Sassoon Menahem, wife of Abraham Yousef Menahem of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Werner Burke Michelsen of Westmount, Quebec; husband of Irene Eliza- 
beth Moon Michelsen. 

Carroll Lynne Cavey Milette, wife of Jean Pierre Milette of Pointe- Claire, 
Quebec. 

Evelyne Paquette Millette, wife of Andre Millette of Verdun, Quebec. 

Mabel Lucille Holland Mills, wife of Thomas Mitchell Mills of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

John Andrew Milne of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Doris Robertson 
Milne. 

Frank Hamilton Mingie (Jr.) of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband 
of Ruth Evelyn Norris Mingie. 

Eleni Tzougaraki Mitakis, wife of Draganikos Mitakis of Verdun, Quebec. 

Leslie Thomas Norval Modler of Cartierville, Quebec, husband of Nina 
Naomi March Modler. 

Margaret Jean Coutts Moffatt, wife of Phillip John Moffatt of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

William Henry Monaghan of Hudson Heights, Quebec, husband of JoAnn 
Carol Brown Monaghan. 

Gladys Noreen Hill Monette, wife of John James Monette of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Harold Moreau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Dragon Moreau. 

Suzanne Piuze Moreau, wife of Charles Edouard Moreau of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Kathleen Alice Priestley Morrow, wife of Harold Morrow of Beaurepaire, 
Quebec. 



272 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Valerie Jean Arnott Morton, wife of John Ure Morton of Verdun, Quebec. 

Josephine Suhr Deems Moseley, wife of Herbert Frederick Moseley of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Ruth Clark Moss, wife of Harry Moss of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Guss Moss, wife of Monty Moss of Cote St. Luc, Quebec. 

Marie Antoinette Germaine Corbeil Mouton, wife of Maurice Joseph Mouton 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doreen Eleanor Bishop Mulcahy, wife of Stanley Leo Francis Mulcahy of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Elsa Trolle Munch, wife of Arne Munch of Dorval, Quebec. 

Lajos (Louis) Nagy of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Ilonka Hajnal Nagy. 

Betty Solomon (Naimo) Naimovitch, wife of Max Issie (Naimo) Naimo- 
vitch of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Josephine (Rose) Tworek Nawrocki, wife of Joseph John Nawrocki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Millar Neal, wife of George Chesley Neal of St. John's, Newfound- 
land. 

Frances Cynthia Beloff Nevitt, wife of Joshua Nevitt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Hugh O'Connor of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Kathleen West Taylor 
O'Connor. 

Pawel Olejnik of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Bzik Olejnik. 

Betty Beare O'Neil, wife of Garth O'Neil of Ville LaSalle, Quebec. 

Jean Elizabeth Simmons O'Reilley, wife of Michael Walter O'Reilly of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Carole Anne Douglas Orr, wife of David Frederick Orr of Beaconsfield, 
Quebec. 

Helen Minkoff Oulton, wife of Carl Oulton of Montreal, Quebec. 
Clara Edith Laszlo Papp, wife of Otto Papp of Montreal, Quebec. 

Charles Harold Page of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carole Ann Gollan 
Page. 

Joseph Philippe Philias Fabien Parent of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Beatrice Vachon Parent. 

Paul Parizeau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Georgette Clement Pari- 
zeau. 

Virginia Ruth Baker Parmiter, wife of Douglas Parmiter of Ville LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Rosi Irma Koetke Parrouty, wife of Andre Parrouty of Montreal, Quebec. 

Betty Lillian Reichert Patrick, wife of Allan Michael Patrick of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Joan Mary Graham Pearson, wife of Richard Hammond Pearson of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Heubach Peck, wife of Hugh S. Peck of Lac Carre, Quebec. 

Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Made- 
leine Helene Dalcourt Pelletier. 

Suzi Elizabeth Locke Perry, wife of Robert Arnold Perry of St. Bruno, 
Quebec. 

Joseph John Paul Raymond Phelps of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of 
Helen Jacqueline Tischuk Phelps. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 273 

John Matthew Hardman Pickford of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of 
Phyllis Wright Pickford. 

Maureen Mary Mears Piercey, wife of William Frederick Piercey of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Nicholas Pilidis of Chateauguay, Quebec, husband of Barbara Ann Fennell 
Pilidis. 

Madge Estelle Druce Pinkerton, wife of Robert Pinkerton, of Ville Le- 
moyne, Quebec. 

Eva Florence Eigen Plaskett, wife of Gordon Plaskett of Montreal, Quebec. 

Georgine Jun Plzak, wife of Bohumil Plzak of Sutton, Quebec. 

Louisa Emily Elizabeth Stevens Porter, wife of John Andrew Porter of 
the Province of Quebec. 

Mona Mauron Pozza, wife of Corrado Pozza of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Guy Prud'Homme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Aimee Lamon- 
tagne Prud'Homme. 

Jacqueline Henriette Demelin Pujol, wife of Vincent Joseph Pujol of Mont- 
treal, Quebec. 

Lena Bruyn Quelle, wife of Hendricus Johanns Quelle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Yvon Quevillon of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Gertrude 
Leduc Quevillon. 

Alphonse Eugene Racine of He Bizard, Quebec, husband of Norma Lor- 
raine Cumming Watson Racine. 

Joseph Emelien Rene Racine of Courville, Quebec, husband of Doris Helen 
Warner Racine. 

Evelyn Frances Jordon Rae, wife of Clifford Rae of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Grace Reid Ramsay, wife of John Murray Ramsay of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Joyce Evelyn Mackie Ranger, wife of Joseph Paul Emile Nelson Ranger 
of Riviere Beaudette, Quebec. 

Patricia Rose Sheen Rankin, wife of Allan Hugh Rankin of Verdun, Quebec. 

Olga Eizner Rapoport, wife of Harry Rapoport of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Shaw Fisher Wolfe Reid, wife of Kenneth Allan Reid of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Hale Calvin Reid of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Geraldine Margaret 
Ouellette Reid. 

Susanne Markovits Reiner, wife of Charles Reiner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Monique Fournier Remy, wife of Edouard Remy of St-Marc-sur-Richelieu, 
Quebec. 

Real Richard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marcella Levesque Richard. 

Jean Alice Beswick Rinder, wife of Leonard Rinder of Montreal, Quebec. 

Barbara Patricia Roberts Rogers, wife of William Arthur Rogers of Ville 
Emard, Quebec. 

Geraldine Ludgarde Pineault Romer, wife of Joseph Frank Romer of 
Chomedey South, Quebec. 

Marcelle Guedj Rosenberg, wife of Salomon Rosenberg of the Province of 
Quebec. 



274 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Isadore Rosenblatt of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Sarah Molly Speevak 
Rosenblatt. 

Rebecca Rafalkes Rosenstrauss, wife of Eisig Rosenstrauss of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Irene Gargano Ross, wife of Stanley Ross of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nellie Rosen Rothman, wife of Charles Rothman of Westmount, Quebec. 

Gerda Margarete Brodersen Ruhnau, wife of Willi Gustav Ruhnau of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Beverly Anne Bishop Runions, wife of Harold Kenneth Runions of Sher- 
brooke, Quebec. 

Daisy Emily Dorothy Peard Ryan, wife of Lawrence Ryan of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Kathleen Meades Ryan, wife of Albert George Ryan of Pointe St. Charles, 
Quebec. 

Molly Cohen Sacks, wife of Melvin Sacks of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kathleen Stokes Sangster, wife of John Sangster of Montreal, Quebec. 

Millicent Vera Bratley Seagrove, wife of Anthony Naworth Seagrove of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Frieda Lina Witt Schaub, wife of Clemens Heinrich Schaub of Hampstead, 
Quebec. 

Lorna Greenberg Scherzer, wife of Paul Scherzer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Theresa Keefe Sckyra, wife of Erwin Sckyra of Longueuil, Quebec. 

Joseph Maurice Sealy of Ville Jacques-Cartier, Quebec, husband of Clara 
Allan Godding Sealy. 

Agnes Irene Groundwater Seaman, wife of Terence John Wendell Seaman 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anna May Watts Sergent, wife of William Charles Ross Sergent of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Blima (Wendy) Weitzman Shapiro, wife of Harry (Hirsh) Shapiro of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Jeannine Elizabeth Buchanan Sharpe, wife of Theodore Sharpe of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Ivy Elizabeth Jacques Sherry, wife of Henry Edward Sherry of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis White Siev, wife of Geoffrey Marshall Siev of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lloyd James Simpson of Ste. Anne de Bellevue, Quebec, husband of Hazel 
Weston Kindred Simpson. 

Marion Ruth Catherine Harding Slattery, wife of Edward Michael Slattery 
of Verdun, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Lillian Banks Small, wife of Richard William Small of Chateau- 
guay, Quebec. 

Patricia Ann Nind Small, wife of Leonard Edward George Small of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Aline Helene Desjardins Smith, wife of Desmond Edward Smith of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Ruby Rita Williams Smith, wife of John Michael Smith of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Sylvia Hopkins Socaransky, wife of Samuel Socaransky of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 275 

Eloise Warner Sonne, wife of Raymond Robert Sonne of Montreal, Quebec. 
Ginette Noela Melanie Hugon Soulier, wife of Robert Jean Soulier of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Myrtle Alice Carr Southwood, wife of Harold Thomas Southwood of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Sylvia Bertha Schneider Spires, wife of John Joseph Spires of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

_ Bertha Bromirska Staruch, wife of John Staruch of Montreal, Quebec. 
Elizabeth Angela McMenamin Stirling, wife of Alexander Stirling of Dor- 
val, Quebec. 

Adele Kathleen Paquin Strachan, wife of Kenneth Alexander Strachan of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Leomay Marie Blanche Chouinard Chilco Stratton, wife of James Martin 
Stratton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anna Elizabeth Bovingdon Strickland, wife of Edward John Strickland of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Hyman Omri Tannenbaum of Baie d'Urfe, Quebec, husband of Elsie Sarah 
Kirouac Tannenbaum. 

Marketa Langer Tata, wife of Saam Tata of Montreal, Quebec. 

Donat Theriault of Ste-Therese-de-Blainville, Quebec, husband of Lady 
Anne Turgeon Theriault. 

Isadore Titleman of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marion Ganstil Title- 
man. 

Glen Stewart Small Tornay, wife of Edgar Tornay of Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Maron (Tratt) Trachtenberg, wife of Arthur (Tratt) Trachten- 
berg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doris Irene Moss Trerice, wife of Nelson Webster Trerice of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Milton Lawrence Trickey of St. Constant, Quebec, husband of Myrtle Ra- 
mona Feltham Trickey. 

Irene Horianska Tyminski, wife of Tadeusz Tyminski of Montreal, Quebec. 

Lygery Papademetriou Varverikos, wife of Emmanuel Varverikos of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Helene Denise Quintal Vien, wife of Jean Thomas Vien of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Stasys Vysniauskas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Zenta Bertulaite Vys- 
nauskas. 

Linnea Erna Barbara Gussow Walker, wife of Henry Normand Walker of 
Baie d'Urfe, Quebec. 

Barbara Ann Tivy Wallace, wife of Kenneth William Wallace of St. Lam- 
bert, Quebec. 

William Metcalfe Watt of Laval West, Quebec, husband of Rosemary Eve- 
lyn MacCartney Watt. 

Mary Catherine Mullins Weatherby, wife of Martin Weir Weatherby of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Toni Anna Lydia Mogroby (Weisz) Weiss, wife of Bernard (Weisz) Weiss 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anton Welte of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Christina (Mayer) Welte. 

Esther Sheps Wertheimer, wife of William Wertheimer of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 



276 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Miriam Fairbairn White, wife of Matthew White of Montreal, Quebec. 

James Richard Williamson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire 
Morin Williamson. 

Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Erna 
Margot Szlata Willis. 

Helena Jadwige Igiel Vel Frankel Wodnicki, wife of Stanislaw Wodnicki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Margaret Bennett Woolley, wife of Edward Brian Woolley of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Lily Heyes Worthington, wife of Ronald Worthington of Ville La Salle, 
Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Wunderlich of St-Hyacinthe, Quebec, husband of Eike Foelsche 
Wunderlich. 

Jennie Cmikewicz Zajko, wife of Joseph Stanley Zajko of Chateauguay, 
Quebec. 

Rachela Landau Zimber, wife of Leo Zimber of Montreal, Quebec. 



Ninth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on July 24 by Mr. Wahn, meet the re- 
quirements of Standing Order 70: 

Christina Gentilo Aube, wife of Jean Aube of Montreal, Quebec. 

Bernice Schnapp Bordensky, wife of Sam Bordensky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Catherine Roche Harper, wife of Jordan Harper of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ezreh Harry Herscovitch of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Lillian Lea 
Huss Herscovitch. 

Mary Teresa Dowd Hough, wife of Herbert Frederick James Hough of 
Dorval, Quebec. 

Dorothea Margaret Fleming Kay, wife of Robert Taylor Kay of Verdun, 
Quebec. 



By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Sixth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Dorothy Irene Marjorie Hunt Adams, wife of Merrill Karn Adams of 
St. Jean, Quebec. 

Jacqueline Dumontet Belanger, wife of Marcel Belanger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine 
Theriault Bougie. 

Klara Ary Brody, wife of Otto Brody of Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 25th JULY 277 

Nicholas Cimbru Chambers of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Germaine 
Leclerc Chambers. 

Marie Paule Jacqueline Lorette Noel Champagne, wife of Joseph Ovila 
Raymond Champagne of Montreal, Quebec. 

Suzanne Pampalon Chasse, wife of Jean Chasse of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rosemary Beatrice Overett Clare, wife of Derek Clare of Outremont, 
Quebec. 

Beverley Hayden Forman Crerar, wife of Colin Douglas Crerar of Bea- 
consfield, Quebec. 

Judith MacBeth Complin Cuggy, wife of Kenneth Douglas Cuggy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Sylvia Lipson Dankner, wife of Philip Dankner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Florence Patricia Finucane Da Silva, wife of Aubrey Terrence Da Silva 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Giuseppe de Cristofaro of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Brigide Roy de 
Cristofaro. 

Gladys Jean Assaf Desjardins, wife of Joseph Julien Leopold Desjardins 
of Ste. Therese, Quebec. 

Anita Margaret Steel d'Esterre, wife of Robert Duncan d'Esterre of Bea- 
consfield, Quebec. 

Brigitte Seidel Dophide, wife of Wilfrid Dophide of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

William Rankin Edmondson of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband 
of Marjorie Beryl Blodgett Edmondson. 

Leonard Emond of Repentigny, Quebec, husband of Bella Savard Emond. 

Robert Fleischer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Agnes Pataki Fleischer. 

Lucille Issenman Goresky, wife of Irving Goresky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nancy Ruth Romaniuk Grabina, wife of Jerry Grabina of the Province 
of Quebec. 

Catherine Mildred Fogarty Gray, wife of Joseph George Robert Gray of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Edith Diane Shapiro Greenberg, wife of Seymour Bernard Greenberg of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Wilhelmina Morrison Grundy, wife of George William Grundy of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Madeleine Francoise Patenaude Hankowski, wife of Jan Paul Hankowski 
of the Province of Quebec. 

Doris Sibyl Jane Godsell Hassall, wife of Frederick James Hassall of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Bernard Hebert of Greenfield Park, Quebec, husband of Helen Rudolph 
Hebert. 

Abie (Allan) Herscovitch of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Fannie (Fay) 
Green Herscovitch. 

Felix Hollinger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Adeline Ruskin Hollinger. 

Nadia-Anne Lucyshyn Hruszij, wife of My cola Hruszij of Montreal, Quebec. 

Harry Hyman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rose Teresa Emond Hyman. 

Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Vittorina 
Bernardi Janicki. 

Christine Viger Johnson, wife of Harteny Lawrence Johnson of Valois, 
Quebec. 



278 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Arlene June Roy Kaczur, wife of Gerald Joseph Kaczur of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Wilma Goldstein Karls, wife of Ludwig Karls of Cote St. Luc, Quebec. 

Gabriela Meislova Kiwitt, wife of William Kiwitt of Beaurepaire, Quebec. 

Constance Valerie McKnight Laurie, wife of Norman Earl Laurie of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Paulyne Gagnon Leblanc, wife of Andre Leblanc of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ellen Chase Biggar McKellar, wife of Bruce McKellar of Montreal, Quebec. 

Frank Hamilton Mingie (Jr.) of Town of Mount Royal, Quebec, husband 
of Ruth Evelyn Norris Mingie. 

Gladys Noreen Hill Monette, wife of John James Monette of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lygery Papademetriou Varverikos, wife of Emmanuel Varverikos of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Esther Sheps Wertheimer, wife of William Wertheimer of Montreal, Quebec. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Seventh Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for Acts to annul their marriage have complied with 
the requirements of Standing Order 96: 

Claude Gerard Montpetit of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Katherine 
Hughes Montpetit. 

Paul-Emile Niquette of Sorel, Quebec, husband of Gisele Desrosiers 
Niquette. 

Margaret Catherine Mann Smith, wife of Douglas Kerr Smith of St. 
Lambert, Quebec. 



By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Eight Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Christina Gentilo Aube, wife of Jean Aube of Montreal, Quebec. 

Bernice Schnapp Bordensky, wife of Sam Bordensky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Catherine Roche Harper, wife of Jordan Harper of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ezreh Harry Herscovitch of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Lillian Lea Huss 
Herscovitch. 

Mary Teresa Dowd Hough, wife of Herbert Frederick James Hough of 
Dorval, Quebec. 

Dorothea Margaret Fleming Kay, wife of Robert Taylor Kay of Verdun, 
Quebec. 



By unanimous consent, at 10.55 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned 
the House without question put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 26th JULY 279 

No. 51 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 26th JULY, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Thirty-four petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Speaker laid before the House, — Copy of a resolution concerning 
world-wide disarmament, agreed to by the House of Representatives of the 
Parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia on the 23rd May, 1963. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said resolution be printed as 
an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



The following bills from the Senate were read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-4, An Act to repeal The Newfoundland Savings Bank Act, 1939. — 
Mr. Gordon. 

Bill S-5, An Act to approve an Agreement between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the Province of Ontario respecting Public Har- 
bours. — Mr. Mcllraith. 



On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, it was ordered, — 
That the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections be empowered to 
study the Canada Elections Act, and the several amendments thereto suggested 
by the Chief Electoral Officer; and to report to the House such proposals relat- 
ing to the said Act as the Committee may deem to be advisable. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 
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280 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolutions were adopted (less the amount voted in Interim 
Supply) : 

MAIN ESTIMATES, 1963-64 

TRANSPORT 
A — Department 
1 Departmental Administration $ 3,388,600 00 

Marine Services 
5 Marine Services Administration, including Agencies .... 1,113,900 00 
Aids to Navigation — 

10 Administration, Operation and Maintenance includ- 
ing fees for membership in the international 
Organizations listed in the Details of the 
Estimates 6,620,600 00 

15 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 

and Equipment 5,320,000 00 

Canals — 

20 Administration, Operation and Maintenance 2,489,200 00 

25 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, 

Land and Equipment, including payments to 
Provinces or Municipalities as contributions 
towards construction done by those bodies . . 1,862,400 00 

St. Lawrence and Saguenay Rivers Ship Channels — 

30 Administration, Operation and Maintenance 1,352,600 00 

35 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, 

Land and Equipment 3,280,000 00 

Canadian Coast Guard — 

40 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 
authority, notwithstanding section 30 of the 
Financial Administration Act, to make com- 
mitments for the current fiscal year not to 
exceed a total amount of $22,851,300 21,679,800 00 

45 Construction or Acquisition of Ships and Equip- 
ment 12,842,000 00 

Marine Regulations including Pilotage and Marine 
Reporting Services — 

50 Administration, Operation and Maintenance includ- 
ing grants and contributions as detailed in the 
Estimates and the payment of expenses, includ- 
ing excepted expenses, incurred in respect of 
Canadian distressed seamen as defined in section 
306 of the Canada Shipping Act 3,154,500 00 

55 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 

and Equipment 286,500 00 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 26th JULY 281 

Railway and Steamship Services 

60 Newfoundland Coastal Services — Construction or Acqui- 
sition of Passenger- Cargo Vessels and Equipment and 
Harbour Facilities 196,000 00 

70 Construction of Dock and Terminal Facilities at Port aux 

Basques, Newfoundland 82,200 00 

73 Newfoundland Ferry Service — Federal Government's 
share of the cost of containers for the transportation 
of freight and express 212,000 00 

75 Construction of Dock and Terminal Facilities at North 

Sydney, Nova Scotia and Argentia, Newfoundland . . 190,200 00 

Payments to the Canadian National Railway Company 
(hereinafter called the Company) upon applications 
approved by the Minister of Transport made by the 
Company to the Minister of Finance, to be applied by 
the Company in payment of the deficits, certified 
by the auditors of the Company, arising in the oper- 
ations in the calendar year 1963 — 

80 Newfoundland Ferry and Terminals 8,675,500 00 

85 Prince Edward Island Car Ferry and Terminals .... 3,894,000 00 

90 Prince Edward Island Car Ferry and Terminals — Con- 
struction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land and 
Equipment 1,147,200 00 

95 Yarmouth, Nova Scotia — Bar Harbour, Maine, U.S.A., 

Ferry Service— Deficit, 1963 241,000 00 

100 Maritime Freight Rates Act — Payment to the Railway 
Companies operating in the select territory designated 
by the Act, of the difference occurring on account 
of the application of the Act, between the tariff tolls 
and normal tolls under approved tariffs (estimated 
and certified to the Minister of Transport by the 
Canadian National Railway Company and approved 
by auditors of the said Company respecting the East- 
ern Lines of the Canadian National Railways and in 
the case of the Other Railways by the Board of Trans- 
port Commissioners for Canada) on all traffic moved 
during the calendar year 1963 12,700,000 00 

105 Repairs and expenses in connection with the operation 
and maintenance of Official Railway Cars under the 
jurisdiction of the Department 61,000 00 

107 Payment to the Canadian National Railway Company in 
the current and subsequent fiscal years of amounts in 
accordance with an agreement, entered into with the 
approval of the Governor in Council, providing for the 
termination of the collection of tolls on the Victoria 
Jubilee Bridge, Montreal, from such time and date 
and subject to such terms and conditions as may be 
specified therein; amount required for the current 

fiscal year 3,453,000 00 

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282 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Pensions and Other Benefits 

115 Amount required to pay pensions at the rate of $300 per 
annum to former pilots: Raoul Lachance; Jules 
Lamarre; Wilhelm Langlois; Auguste Santerre .... 1,200 00 

125 Supplemental Pension Allowances to former employees of 
Newfoundland Railways, Steamships and Telecommu- 
nications Services transferred to Canadian National 
Railways 157,000 00 

Air Services 

Administrative Branch 

130 Air Services Administration 1,995,600 00 

135 Construction Services Administration 3,970,600 00 

Civil Aviation Branch 

150 Air Traffic Control 8,596,100 00 

170 Payments to the Other Governments or International 
Agencies that are detailed in the Estimates for the 
operation and maintenance of airports, air navigation 
and airways facilities, including authority to pay 
assessments in the amounts and in the currencies in 
which they are levied, notwithstanding that the total 
of such payments may exceed the equivalent in Cana- 
dian dollars, estimated as of December, 1962, which is 238,000 00 

Telecommunications and Electronics Branch 

Radio Aids to Air and Marine Navigation — 

175 Administration, Operation and Maintenance 20,745,600 00 

180 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 

and Equipment 9,124,200 00 

Radio Act and Regulations — 

185 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 
Canada's share of the costs of the international 
radio, telegraph and telephone organizations 
listed in the Retails of the Estimates 3,009,300 00 

190 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, 

Land and Equipment 216,600 00 

Meteorological Branch 

195 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 
Canada's assessment for membership in the World 
Meteorological Organization and $86,000 for grants 
in aid of meteorological research in Canadian univer- 
sities 18,310,200 00 

C — Board of Transport Commissioners for Canada 
210 Administration, Operation and Maintenance 1,221,600 00 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 26th JULY 283 

D — Canadian Maritime Commission 

215 Administration 196,135 00 

217 Degaussing Canadian Government Ships and Canadian- 
owned merchant ships, of 2,000 gross tons to 20,000 
gross tons, of Canadian registry or of United Kingdom 
registry if subject to re-transfer to Canadian registry 
under special inter-governmental arrangement . . . . 165,000 00 

220 Steamship Subventions for Coastal Services, as detailed 

in the Estimates 8,361,370 00 

222 Capital subsidies for the construction of commercial and 
fishing vessels in accordance with regulations of the 
Governor in Council 18,000,000 00 



F — St. Lawrence Seaway Authority 

230 Operating deficit and capital requirements of Canals and 
Works entrusted to the St. Lawrence Seaway Authori- 
ty with the approval of the Governor in Council, and 
to authorize, notwithstanding the Financial Adminis- 
tration Act or any other Act, the disbursement by the 
Authority of revenues derived from the operation and 
management of such Canals and Works 2,788,000 00 



LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Transport 

Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Corporation 

L65 Loans to the Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Cor- 
poration in accordance with section 14 of the Canadian 
Overseas Telecommunication Corporation Act for 
additions and betterments to facilities 7,710,000 00 

National Harbours Board 

L70 Advances to National Harbours Board, subject to the pro- 
visions of section 29 of the National Harbours Board 
Act, to meet expenditures applicable to the calendar 
year 1963 on any or all of the following accounts: 

Reconstruction and Capital Expenditures — 

Three Rivers $ 845,000 

Montreal 8,116,500 

Vancouver 2,026,000 



$10,987,500 
Less — Amount to be expended from 

Replacement and Other Funds . . 5,083,500 



5,904,000 00 



284 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

St. Lawrence Seaway Authority 

L75 Loans to the St. Lawrence Seaway Authority in such 
manner and subject to such terms and conditions 
as the Governor in Council may approve 1,500,000 00 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (A), 1963-64 

TRANSPORT 

A — Department 

Marine Services 

Aids to Navigation — 
15a Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, 

Land and Equipment 600,000 00 

Canals — 
25a Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, 

Land and Equipment 200,000 00 

St. Lawrence and Saguenay Rivers Ship Channels — 
30a Administration, Operation and Maintenance 136,800 00 

Canadian Coast Guard — 
40a Administration, Operation and Maintenance 498,400 00 

Railway and Steamship Services 

65a Construction or Acquisition of Auto-Ferry Vessels and 
Equipment as listed in the details of the Estimates, 
provided that Treasury Board may increase or de- 
crease the amount within the vote to be expended 
upon individual listed projects 20,000 00 

73a Newfoundland Ferry Service — Federal Government's 
share of the cost of containers for the transportation 
of freight and express — To extend the purposes of 
Vote 73 of the Main Estimates, 1963-64, to include 
other appurtenances and the conversion of railway 
equipment 63,000 00 

Air Services 

Civil Aviation Branch 

160a Contributions, in accordance with terms and conditions ap- 
proved by the Governor in Council, to assist in the 
establishment or improvement of local airports and 
related facilities 22,800 00 

Telecommunications and Electronics Branch 

192a Gift of Furnishings to the Headquarters of the Inter- 
national Telecommunication Union at Geneva, Swit- 
zerland (Revote) 10,000 00 

D — Canadian Maritime Commission 

220a Steamship Subventions for Coastal Services as detailed 

in the Estimates 189,228 00 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 26th JULY 285 

222a Capital subsidies for the construction of commercial 
and fishing vessels in accordance with regulations of 
the Governor in Council 12,000,000 00 

E — National Harbours Board 

225a Advances to National Harbours Board, subject to the provi- 
sions of section 29 of the National Harbours Board Act, 
to meet expenditures applicable to the calendar year 
1963 on any or all of the following accounts: 
Reconstruction and Capital Expenditures — 

Saint John 83,000 00 

Quebec 1,400,000 00 

Churchill 62,000 00 



1,545,000 00 



Less — Amount to be expended from 

Replacement and Other Funds .. . 550,000 00 



995,000 00 
227a Payment to the National Harbours Board to be applied in 
payment of the deficits (exclusive of interest on ad- 
vances authorized by Parliament and depreciation on 
capital structures) incurred in respect of the calendar 
year 1962 and expected to be incurred in the calendar 
year 1963 in the operation of the Champlain Bridge, 
Montreal Harbour 92,000 00 



LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Transport 

General 

L63a Advances to the Canadian National Railway Company, 
pending the enactment of the Canadian National Rail- 
ways Financing and Guarantee Act, 1962-63, on such 
terms and conditions as the Governor in Council may 
approve 26,000,000 00 

Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Corporation 

L65a Loans to the Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Cor- 
poration in accordance with section 14 of the Canadian 
Overseas Telecommunication Corporation Act for addi- 
tions and betterments to facilities 3,284,145 00 

National Harbours Board 

L70a Advances to National Harbours Board, subject to the 
provisions of section 29 of the National Harbours Board 
Act, to meet expenditures applicable to the calendar 
year 1963 on the following account: 

Reconstruction and Capital Expenditures — 

Montreal 1,994,000 00 



286 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pickersgill for Miss LaMarsh, 
seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, it was resolved, — That a Special Committee be 
appointed to consider and report on (a) the hazards of food contamination from 
insecticides, pesticides, and other noxious substances; and (b) the safety and 
cost of drugs; that the Committee consist of 24 members to be designated later 
by the House; that the Committee be empowered to send for persons, papers, 
records, and to report from time to time and to print such papers and evidence 
from day to day as may be deemed advisable; and that the provisions of Stand- 
ing Orders 66 and 67 be suspended in relation thereto. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, 
July 24, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated June 5, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a copy 
of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged between the 
government or any agency or department thereof and and any provincial gov- 
ernment, person or organization since January 1, 1961, relating to the establish- 
ment of a Veterinary College in the Prairie Provinces. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 9). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated June 26, 1963, 
for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged 
between the government or any Minister, agency or branch thereof, and a Mr. 
L. D. Tipton of Francois Lake, British Columbia, or Burns Lake, British Colum- 
bia, since January 1, 1963, and dealing with fiscal and monetary matters and 
of the question of Canadian ownership. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 31). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated June 10, 1963, 
(Question No. 338) showing: Has the Crown, through the National Capital 
Commission, acquired real estate in the City of Ottawa in the area North of 
Boteler Street between Sussex Street and the Rideau River and, if so (a) what 
is the official description of the area (b) was the acquisition done through 
expropriation (c) what is the total estimated cost of the acquisition of the said 
land and property (d) how many settlements have been made to date, and what 
is the total amount of consideration paid therefor (e) will any of the present 
occupants of the properties in the said area be allowed to remain thereon and, 
if so, for what period of time (f ) how much of the parcel in the Boteler-Sussex 
area so acquired is to be reserved for approaches to the Macdonald-Cartier 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 26th JULY 287 

Bridge (g) is part of the said area being reserved for the use of the Public 
Works Department for the erection of government buildings and, if so, how 
many buildings will be erected thereon, and has the selection been made? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated June 10, 1963, 
(Question No. 339) showing: 1. Does the Crown or any of its agencies own 
property lying on King Edward Avenue between Boteler and Rideau Streets in 
the City of Ottawa? 

2. Has the National Capital Commission or its predecessor the Federal 
District Commission, made any arrangement in the past with the Corporation 
of the City of Ottawa to maintain any part of King Edward Avenue? 

3. Have any plans been made by the National Capital Commission to con- 
tribute to the restoration and improvement of the Drive on King Edward 
Avenue from the Minto Bridges to Rideau Street? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 10, 1963, 
(Question No. 759) showing: 1. How many functions were held at the Rideau 
Club by various government departments in the past three years? 

2. Which departments held such functions? 



By unanimous consent, at 6.13 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(1). 



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A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 29th JULY 

No. 5 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 29th JULY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Eight petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General which was read by Mr. Speaker, 
as follows: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Supplementary 
Estimates (C) of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1964, and in accordance with the provisions of The 
British North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these 
estimates to the House of Commons. 

GERALD FAUTEUX, 
Deputy of the Governor General. 

On motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, the said Message 
and Supplementary Estimates ( C ) were referred to the Committee of Supply. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — 
That the House do go into Committee of the Whole later this day to 
consider the following proposed resolution which has been recommended to the 
House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Senate and House 
of Commons Act 

(a) to increase the sessional allowances payable to members of the Senate 
and House of Commons; 
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290 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(b) to provide for the payment of an additional allowance to each leader 
of a party in the House of Commons, other than the Prime Minister 
and the Leader of the Opposition, that has a recognized membership 
of twelve or more persons in the House of Commons; 

(c) to provide for the payment of an additional allowance to the members 
occupying the recognized positions of Chief Government Whip and 
Chief Opposition Whip in the House of Commons; 

(d) to provide for the payment to members of the Senate and House 
of Commons of such actual transportation and travelling expenses and 
telecommunication expenses as the Senate and House of Commons 
may order; 

(c) to provide for the payment to each Minister of the Crown, the Leader 
of the Opposition and the Speakers of the Senate and the House of 
Commons of a motor vehicle allowance; 

(/) to increase the allowances paid to the members of the Senate and 
the House of Commons for expenses incidental to the discharge of 
their duties; 

and to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act 

(g) to increase the amount of contributions to be paid by members into 
the Consolidated Revenue Fund, to provide for the payment of an 
allowance to the widows of members of Parliament where such mem- 
bers have made or elected to make additional contributions under the 
Act and to make changes in the amount of the retirement allowances 
payable to members; 

(h) to provide for the payment of an annual allowance out of the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund to persons who have held the office of Prime Min- 
ister for four years and to the widows of any such persons; 

and to provide further for other related and incidental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole later this 
day to consider the said proposed resolution. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — 
That the House do go into Committee of the Whole later this day to 
consider the following proposed resolution which has been recommended to 
the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Judges Act to 
increase the salaries of judges of the Supreme Court of Canada, the Exchequer 
Court of Canada and the superior and county and district courts of the prov- 
inces; to provide salaries for eight additional judges of the Superior Court of 
Quebec, two additional judges of the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia including 
one Chief Justice, one additional judge of the Queen's Bench Division of the 
Supreme Court of New Brunswick, one additional Justice of Appeal of the 
Court of Appeal for British Columbia, one additional judge of the Supreme 
Court of British Columbia, one additional judge of the Court of Queen's Bench 
for Saskatchewan, one additional Justice of Appeal of the Supreme Court of 
Alberta and one additional puisne judge of the Supreme Court of Newfound- 
land; and to make certain consequential amendments to the Criminal Code. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole later this 
day to consider the said proposed resolution. 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 29th JULY 291 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 453 — Mr. Valade 

1. How many contracts for the carrying of rural and city mail have been 
(a) renewed (b) cancelled since April 8, 1963? 

2. How many contracts for the carrying of rural and city mail have been 
awarded since April 8, 1963? 

3. What is the name and address of each person to whom contracts have 
been awarded; what is the amount involved in each case, and have public ten- 
ders been called? 

4. If public tenders were called, what is the name, the address, and the 
amount tendered by each of the bidders, in each case? 

5. Have mail contracts been awarded since April 8, 1963, through direct 
negotiations and, if so, what were those contracts; with whom were they nego- 
tiated and, what amounts are involved in each case? 

Mr. Denis, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 



Pursuant to Special Order made this day, the House resolved itself into 
Committee of the Whole to consider a certain proposed resolution to amend 
the Senate and House of Commons Act and the Members of Parliament Retiring 
Allowances Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Senate 
and House of Commons Act 

(a) to increase the sessional allowances payable to members of the Senate 
and House of Commons; 

(b) to provide for the payment of an additional allowance to each leader 
of a party in the House of Commons, other than the Prime Minister 
and the Leader of the Opposition, that has a recognized membership 
of twelve or more persons in the House of Commons; 

(c) to provide for the payment of an additional allowance to the members 
occupying the recognized positions of Chief Government Whip and 
Chief Opposition Whip in the House of Commons; 

(d) to provide for the payment to members of the Senate and House of 
Commons of such actual transportation and travelling expenses and 
telecommunication expenses as the Senate and House of Commons may 
order; 

(e) to provide for the payment to each Minister of the Crown, the Leader 
of the Opposition and the Speakers of the Senate and the House of 
Commons of a motor vehicle allowance; 

(/) to increase the allowances paid to the members of the Senate and the 
House of Commons for expenses incidental to the discharge of their 
duties; 
and to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act 

(g) to increase the amount of contributions to be paid by members into 
the Consolidated Revenue Fund, to provide for the payment of an 
allowance to the widows of members of Parliament where such 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



members have made or elected to make additional contributions under 
the Act and to make changes in the amount of the retirement allow- 
ances payable to members; 

(h) to provide for the payment of an annual allowance out of the Con- 
solidated Revenue Fund to persons who have held the office of Prime 
Minister for four years and to the widows of any such persons; 

and to provide further for other related and incidental matters. 
Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Senate and House of Commons Act and the 
Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to on the following division: 





Yeas 






Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cashin, 


Forest, 


Knowles, 


Aiken, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Forgie, 


Konantz (Mrs), 


Alkenbrack, 


Chatterton, 


Foy, 


Korchinski, 


Armstrong, 


Chevrier, 


Francis, 


Lachance, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Chretien, 


Frenette, 


Laing, 


Wolfe), 


Churchill, 


Garland, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Badanai, 


Coates, 


Gauthier, 


Lamb, 


Balcer, 


Cooper, 


Gelber, 


Lambert, 


Baldwin, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Girouard, 


Lamontagne, 


Barnett, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Godin, 


Lamoureux, 


Basford, 


Crossman, 


Gordon, 


Laniel, 


Batten, 


Crouse, 


Granger, 


Latulippe, 


Bechard, 


Cyr, 


Gray, 


Laverdiere, 


Beer, 


Danforth, 


Gregoire, 


Leduc, 


Belanger, 


Davis, 


Groos, 


Lessard 


Bell, 


Deachman, 


Guay, 


(La c- Saint- Jean), 


Berger, 


Denis, 


Habel, 


Lessard 


Bigg, 


Deschatelets, 


Haidasz, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Boulanger, 


Doucett, 


Hales, 


Lloyd, 


Brewin, 


Drury, 


Hamilton, 


Loiselle, 


Brown, 


Dube, 


Harkness, 


Loney, 


Byrne, 


Dupuis, 


Harley, 


Macaluso, 


Cadieux, 


Emard, 


Hays, 


Macdonald, 


Cameron (High 


Ethier, 


Hellyer, 


MacEachen, 


Park), 


Eudes, 


Honey, 


MacEwan, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Fairweather, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Mackasey, 


Cowichan-The 


Fane, 


Huron), 


MacLean (Queens), 


Islands), 


Favreau, 


Irvine, 


MacNaught, 


Cantin, 


Fisher, 


Jewett (Miss), 


MacRae, 


Cardiff, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Jorgenson, 


McBain, 


Cardin, 


Revelstoke), 


Kelly, 


Mcllraith, 


Caron, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Kennedy, 


Mcintosh, 


Carter, 


Carleton), 


Klein. 


McLean (Charlotte), 



A.D. 1963 



MONDAY, 29th JULY 



McMillan, 


Mullally, 


Pilon, 


Tardif, 


McNulty, 


Munro, 


Plourde, 


Teillet, 


Mc William, 


Nesbitt, 


Prittie, 


Temple, 


Madill, 


Nicholson, 


Pugh, 


Thompson, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Nixon, 


Regan, 


Tremblay, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Noble, 


Rheaume, 


Tucker, 


Martineau, 


Nowlan, 


Ricard, 


Valade, 


Mather, 


Nugent, 


Richard, 


Vincent, 


Matheson, 


O'Keefe, 


Rideout, 


Wahn, 


Matte, 


Olson, 


Rinfret, 


Walker, 


Millar, 


Orlikow, 


Roxburgh, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Mitchell, 


Ouellet, 


Ryan, 


Webb, 


Monteith, 


Patterson, 


Sauve, 


Webster, 


More, 


Paul, 


Scott, 


Weichel, 


Moreau, 


Pearson, 


Simpson, 


Whelan, 


Morison, 


Pennell, 


Southam, 


Willoughby, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Pepin, 


Starr, 


Winch, 


North and 


Peters, 


Stefanson, 


Winkler, 


Victoria), 


Pickersgill, 


Stenson, 


Woolliams — 200. 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Pigeon, 


Stewart, 
Nays 
Messrs: 




Caouette, 


Dionne, 


Horner 


Nasserden, 


Clancy, 


Gundlock, 


(The Battlefords), 


Pascoe, 


Diefenbaker, 




Langlois, 


Rapp — 10. 



Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported with an amendment, considered as amended, and 
ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Pursuant to Special Order made this day, the House resolved itself into 
Committee of the Whole to consider a certain proposed resolution to amend the 
Judges Act and the Criminal Code. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved: — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Judges 
Act to increase the salaries of judges of the Supreme Court of Canada, the Ex- 
chequer Court of Canada and the superior and county and district courts of the 
provinces; to provide salaries for eight additional judges of the Superior Court of 
Quebec, two additional judges of the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia including 
one Chief Justice, one additional judge of the Queen's Bench Division of the 
Supreme Court of New Brunswick, one additional Justice of Appeal of the 
Court of Appeal for British Columbia, one additional judge of the Supreme 
Court of British Columbia, one additional judge of the Court of Queen's Bench 
for Saskatchewan, one additional Justice of Appeal of the Supreme Court of 
Alberta and one additional puisne judge of the Supreme Court of Newfound- 
land; and to make certain consequential amendments to the Criminal Code. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



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Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), by leave of the House, 
presented Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Criminal Code, 
which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported without amendment, and ordered for a third read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House. 



Messages were received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate has passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 



Bill SD-51 
Bill SD-52 
Bill SD-53 
Bill SD-54 
Bill SD-55 
Bill SD-56 
Bill SD-57 
Bill SD-58 
Bill SD-59 
Bill SD-60 
Bill SD-61 
Bill SD-62 
Bill SD-63 
Bill SD-64 
Bill SD-65 
Bill SD-66 
Bill SD-67 
Bill SD-68 
Bill SD-69 
Bill SD-70 
Bill SD-71 
Bill SD-72 
Bill SD-73 
Bill SD-74 
Bill SD-75 
Bill SD-76 
Bill SD-77 
Bill SD-78 
BUI SD-79 
Bill SD-80 
Bill SD-81 
Bill SD-82 
Bill SD-83 



An Act for the relief of Angus Mcintosh. 

An Act for the relief of Claude Gerard Montpetit. 

An Act for the relief of Maureen Carol McAlinden. 

An Act for the relief of Vera Irene MacKenzie. 

An Act for the relief of Ann Marguerite MacDonald. 

An Act for the relief of Sybil Lillian Lupovich. 

An Act for the relief of Minnie Lichtenstein. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Bernard L'Heureux. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Ada Lewis. 

An Act for the relief of Violet Pearl St. James Lemoine. 

An Act for the relief of Mildred Kligman. 

An Act for the relief of Zelda Barbara Kimberg. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Anna Kenwood. 

An Act for the relief of Madeleine Kallweit. 

An Act for the relief of Philippe LeBeau. 

An Act for the relief of Joyce Irene Larocque. 

An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Ann Kotania. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Celine Pierrette Lapointe. 

An Act for the relief of Shirley Sarah James. 

An Act for the relief of Lena Quelle. 

An Act for the relief of Charles Harold Page. 

An Act for the relief of Rosa Jacobson. 

An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Marguerite Allaway. 

An Act for the relief of Marylin Jean Alie. 

An Act for the relief of Juliana Magdelene Ashley. 

An Act for the relief of Alphonse Audet. 

An Act for the relief of Denise Bachelder. 

An Act for the relief of Alma Ivy Bankley. 

An Act for the relief of Edouard Joseph Armand Baril. 

An Act for the relief of Therese Beaulieu. 

An Act for the relief of Jeannie Belchik. 

An Act for the relief of John Faucher. 

An Act for the relief of Ruth Ilona Elkin. 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 29th JULY 295 

Bill SD-84, An Act for the relief of Hazel Durocher. 

Bill SD-85, An Act for the relief of Jean Helen Donnan. 

Bill SD-86, An Act for the relief of Margaret Joan Digby. 

Bill SD-87, An Act for the relief of Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle. 

Bill SD-88, An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

Bill SD-89, An Act for the relief of Pamela Blair. 

Bill SD-90, An Act for the relief of Kenneth Allen Blight. 

Bill SD-91, An Act for the relief of Marie Yvonne Lucie Godard. 

Bill SD-92, An Act for the relief of Marie Augustine Jeannette Gibbs. 

Bill SD-93, An Act for the relief of Nicole Marie Geoffroy. 

Bill SD-94, An Act for the relief of Susan Gabor. 

Bill SD-95, An Act for the relief of Alexandra Daliyannakis. 

Bill SD-96, An Act for the relief of Joseph Fortin Decelles. 

Bill SD-97, An Act for the relief of Josephine Mary Croll. 

Bill SD-98, An Act for the relief of Anita Cleri. 

Bill SD-99, An Act for the relief of Alice Elizabeth Clarke. 

Bill SD-100, An Act for the relief of Judith Elizabeth Caron. 

Bill SD-101, An Act for the relief of Collin Mills Campbell. 

Bill SD-102, An Act for the relief of Lorraine Burt. 

Bill SD-103, An Act for the relief of Linda Alice Burrows. 

Bill SD-104. An Act for the relief of Gerhard Hermann Buchholz. 

Bill SD-105, An Act for the relief of Wilma Gloria Bryson. 

Bill SD-106, An Act for the relief of Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier. 

Bill SD-107, An Act for the relief of Clara Edith Papp. 

Bill SD-108, An Act for the relief of Frances Cynthia Nevitt. 

Bill SD- 109, An Act for the relief of Betty Naimovitch, otherwise known 
as Betty Naimo. 

Bill SD-110, An Act for the relief of Elsa Munch. 

Bill SD-111, An Act for the relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins. 

Bill SD-112, An Act for the relief of Margaret Rose McDuff. 

Bill SD-113, An Act for the relief of Vickie Marks. 

Bill SD-114, An Act for the relief of John Elijah Marshalluk. 

Bill SD-115, An Act for the relief of Jean Letovsky. 

Bill SD-116, An Act for the relief of Lee Leopold. 

Bill SD-117, An Act for the relief of Guy Lefebvre. 

Bill SD-118, An Act for the relief of Kate Gillman. 

Bill SD-119, An Act for the relief of Margarete Gerda Ruhnau. 

Bill SD-120, An Act for the relief of Catherine Ferasimos Andrulakis. 

Bill SD-121, An Act for the relief of John Joseph Huitson. 

Bill SD-122, An Act for the relief of Suzi Elizabeth Perry. 

Bill SD-123, An Act for the relief of Vivian Geoffrey Power. 

Bill SD-124, An Act for the relief of Gordon Richard Alexander Rams- 
den. 

Bill SD-125, An Act for the relief of Gertrude Lindener. 

Bill SD-126, An Act for the relief of Marie Aline Martine France. 

Bill SD-127, An Act for the relief of Shirley Margaret Woolley. 

Bill SD-128, An Act for the relief of James Richard Williamson. 



296 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Bill SD-129, An Act for the relief of Isadore Titleman. 

Bill SD-130, An Act for the relief of Lloyd James Simpson. 

Bill SD-131, An Act for the relief of Lily (Lillian) Shapiro. 

Bill SD-132, An Act for the relief of Blima (Wendy) Shapiro. 

Bill SD-133, An Act for the relief of Marie Theresa Sckyra. 

Bill SD-134, An Act for the relief of Anne Marion Prentice. 

Bill SD-135, An Act for the relief of Patricia Marjorie Maisonet. 

Bill SD-136, An Act for the relief of Jennie Zajko. 

Bill SD-137, An Act for the relief of Pawel Olejnik. 

Bill SD-138, An Act for the relief of Millicent Vera Seagrove. 

Bill SD-139, An Act for the relief of Patricia Sabetta. 

Bill SD-140, An Act for the relief of Isadore Rosenblatt. 

Bill SD-141, An Act for the relief of Calvin Harold Robinson. 

Bill SD-142, An Act for the relief of Real Richard. 

Bill SD-143, An Act for the relief of Louisa Emily Elizabeth Porter. 

Bill SD-144, An Act for the relief of Eva Florence Plaskett. 

Bill SD-145, An Act for the relief of Madge Estelle Pinkerton. 

Bill SD-146, An Act for the relief of Allan Barry Phillips. 

Bill SD-147, An Act for the relief of Paul Parizeau. 

Bill SD-148, An Act for the relief of Jean Elizabeth O'Reilly. 

Bill SD-149, An Act for the relief of Josephine Rose Nawrocki. 

Bill SD-150, An Act for the relief of Valerie Jean Morton. 

Bill SD-151, An Act for the relief of Franklin Dale Hufford. 

Bill SD-152, An Act for the relief of Carroll Lynee Milette. 

Bill SD-153, An Act for the relief of Evelyn Millette. 

Bill SD-154, An Act for the relief of Leo Rene Maranda. 

Bill SD-155, An Act for the relief of Edward Sidney Mansfield. 

Bill SD-156, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Angela Stirling. 

Bill SD-157, An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Small. 

Bill SD-158, An Act for the relief of Jeanette Rosenberg. 

Bill SD-159, An Act for the relief of Phyllis Siev. 

Bill SD-160, An Act for the relief of Joseph Maurice Sealy. 

Bill SD-161, An Act for the relief of Helena Jadwiga Igiel Wodnicki. 

Bill SD-162, An Act for the relief of Amir a Wilson. 

Bill SD-163, An Act for the relief of Hyman Omri Tannenbaum. 

Bill SD-164, An Act for the relief of Doris Irene Trerice. 

Bill SD-165, An Act for the relief of Glen Stewart Tornay. 

Bill SD-166, An Act for the relief of Audrey Barbara Sutton. 

Bill SD-167, An Act for the relief of Adele Kathleen Strachan. 

Bill SD-168, An Act for the relief of Bertha Staruch. 

Bill SD-169, An Act for the relief of Miliary Szakacs. 

Bill SD-170, An Act for the relief of Doreen Dreyer Eastwood. 

Bill SD-171, An Act for the relief of Jacques Ekaireb. 

Bill SD-172, An Act for the relief of Rosaire Gauthier. 

Bill SD-173, An Act for the relief of Gertraud Holzer. 

Bill SD-174, An Act for the relief of Marie Joan Patricia Jeffries. 



A.D. 1963 



MONDAY, 29th JULY 



297 



Bill SD-175 
Bill SD-176 
Bill SD-177 
Bill SD-178 
Bill SD-179 
Bill SD-180 
Bill SD-181 
Bill SD-182 
Bill SD-183 
Bill SD-184 
Bill SD-185 
Bill SD-186 
Bill SD-187 
Bill SD-188 
Bill SD-189 
Bill SD-190 
Bill SD-191 
Bill SD-192 
Bill SD-193 
Bill SD-194 
Bill SD-195 
Bill SD-196 
Bill SD-197 
Bill SD-198 
Bill SD-199 
Bill SD-200 
Bill SD-201 
Bill SD-202 
BUI SD-203 
Bill SD-204 
Bill SD-205 
Bill SD-206 
Bill SD-207 
Bill SD-208 
Bill SD-209 
Bill SD-210 
Bill SD-211 
Bill SD-212 
Bill SD-213 
Bill SD-214 
Bill SD-215 
Bill SD-216 
Bill SD-217 
Bill SD-218 
Bill SD-219 
Bill SD-220 



An Act for the relief of Anita Guido Knezevic. 

An Act for the relief of Celia Lesnik. 

An Act for the relief of Joan Mary Pearson. 

An Act for the relief of Georgine Plzak. 

An Act for the relief of Marcelle Rosenberg. 

An Act for the relief of Helen Beverley Sabo. 

An Act for the relief of Ruby Rita Smith. 

An Act for the relief of Marketa Tata. 

An Act for the relief of Ellen Smolar. 

An Act for the relief of Carmen Abrams. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Ellynore Abbott. 

An Act for the relief of John Andre Anderson. 

An Act for the relief of Anne Marie Asselin. 

An Act for the relief of Percy Beauvais. 

An Act for the relief of Shirley Brimacombe. 

An Act for the relief of James Coade. 

An Act for the relief of Ann Marie Cooke. 

An Act for the relief of Kathleen Sangster. 

An Act for the relief of Margot Scott Connor. 

An Act for the relief of Stasys Vysniauskas. 

An Act for the relief of Francoise Campion. 

An Act for the relief of Claire Bradford. 

An Act for the relief of Sylvia Evelyn Lyon. 

An Act for the relief of Gerald William Henderson. 

An Act for the relief of May Margaret Morelli. 

An Act for the relief of Franz Zeitlhofer. 

An Act for the relief of Lily (Laura) Anita Karbelnik. 

An Act for the relief of John Matthew Hardman Pickford. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Alice Rinder. 

An Act for the relief of Donald Beakes. 

An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

An Act for the relief of Lloyd Carlton Willard. 

An Act for the relief of Francis John Nobbs. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Jacqueline Dusablon. 

An Act for the relief of Helen Oulton. 

An Act for the relief of Gwendolyn Grace Lanctot. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Kathleen Lister. 

An Act for the relief of Judith Joy Spector. 

An Act for the relief of Myrtle Alice Southwood. 

An Act for the relief of Teresa Lesiuk. 

An Act for the relief of Ion Ignatescu. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Gallagher. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Catherine Weatherby. 

An Act for the relief of Linnea Erna Barbara Walker. 

An Act for the relief of Rhoda Lipschutz. 

An Act for the relief of Leslie Thomas Norval Modler. 



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Bill SD-221, An Act for the relief of Lajos Nagy, otherwise known as 
Louis Nagy. 

Bill SD-222, An Act for the relief of Paul Orlivsky. 

Bill SD-223, An Act for the relief of Marie Jeanne Beaulieu. 

Bill SD-224, An Act for the relief of Rachela Zimber. 

Bill SD-225, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Henrietta Pujol. 

Bill SD-226, An Act for the relief of Rebecca Rosenstrauss. 

Bill SD-227, An Act for the relief of Irene Tyminski. 

Bill SD-228, An Act for the relief of Frances Lyman. 

Bill SD-229, An Act for the relief of Andre Durocher. 

BiU SD-230, An Act for the relief of Anna Elizabeth Strickland. 

Bill SD-231, An Act for the relief of Michele Breuer. 

Bill SD-232, An Act for the relief of Magella Bergeron. 

Bill SD-233, An Act for the relief of Lucien DeCoeur. 

Bill SD-234, An Act for the relief of Marie Henriette Antoinette Mar- 
guerite Bloodworth Pringle. 

Bill SD-235, An Act for the relief of John Joseph Laflamme. 

Bill SD-236, An Act for the relief of Eliane Trottier. 

Bill SD 237, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Bertha Spires. 

Bill SD-238, An Act for the relief of Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis. 

Bill SD-239, An Act for the relief of Ivy Elizabeth Sherry. 

Bill SD-240, An Act for the relief of Susanne Reiner. 

Bill SD-241, An Act for the relief of Elaine Redmond. 

Bill SD-242, An Act for the relief of Paul Emile Niquette. 

Bill SD-243, An Act for the relief of Robert Fernand Marcoux. 

BiU SD-244, An Act for the relief of Harold Moreau. 

Bill SD-245, An Act for the relief of Philip Dalgleish. 

Bill SD-246, An Act for the relief of Daniel Gaston Jules Caron. 

Bill SD-247, An Act for the relief of Alexander Burke. 

Bill SD--248, An Act for the relief of Aurella Breard. 

Bill SD-249, An Act for the relief of Laurier Allain. 

Bill SD-250, An Act for the relief of Agnes Agai. 

Bill SD-251, An Act for the relief of David Filmore Sadler. 

The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Wahn, were deemed to have 
been read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

Tenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7), 
as follows: 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 29th JULY 299 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on July 26th by Mr. Wahn, meet the 
requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Therese Dube Beaulieu, wife of Romeo Beaulieu of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Gisele 
Causette Chapleau Belisle. 

Andre Durocher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire Chretien Durocher. 

Marie Jacqueline Colavecchio Dusablon, wife of Jean Rene Dusablon of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Susan Lukacs Gabor, wife of Ivan Gabor of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gertraud Hofmann Holzer, wife of Kurt Joseph Holzer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Sarah Waring James, wife of John William James of the Province 
of Quebec. 

Madeleine Cantin Kallweit, wife of Paul Horst Kallweit of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lee Litwack Leopold, wife of Henry Leslie Leopold of Westmount, Quebec. 

Minnie Herscovitch Lichtenstein, wife of Ben Lichtenstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rhoda Bregman Lipschutz, wife of Jerome Leonard Lipschutz of Cote 
St. Luc, Quebec. 

Sybil Lillian Freedman Lupovich, wife of Jack Arnold Lupovich of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Sylvia Evelyn Gruber Lyon, wife of Peter Alwyne Lyon of St. Lambert, 
Quebec. 

Robert Fernand Marcoux of Lachine, Quebec, husband of June Patricia 
Lyon Marcoux. 

Vickie Weinberg Marks, wife of Barry Allan Marks of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Elijah Marshalluk of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Rose Anna Baillar- 
geon Marshalluk. 

Francis John Nobbs of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Hazel Ernestine Nobbs. 

Allan Barry Phillips of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Irene Marie Flora 
Falardeau Phillips. 

Vivian Geoffrey Power of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Anna Mary Helen 
Kish Power. 

Anne Marion Mclnnis Prentice, wife of Arthur Clifford Prentice of Town of 
Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Gordon Richard Alexander Ramsden of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Margaret Eileen Woodall Ramsden. 

Elaine Gleeson Redmond, wife of James Allan Redmond of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Calvin Harold Robinson of Laval-des-Rapides, Quebec, husband of Shirley 
MacDonald Robinson. 

Jeanette Silver Rosenberg, wife of Leon Rosenberg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia McCarthy Sabetta, wife of Joseph Louis Jacques Sabetta of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

David Filmore Sadler of the Province of Quebec, husband of Nancy Agnes 
Sanborn Sadler. 

Lily (Lillian) Cohen Shapiro, wife of Sydney Shapiro of Montreal, Quebec. 



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Ellen Shafer Smolar, wife of Samuel Bernard Smolar of Montreal, Quebec. 
Audrey Barbara Harris Sutton, wife of Frederick Albert Sutton of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Carmen Gravel Szabo, wife of Bela Szabo of Montreal, Quebec. 
Mihaly Szakacs of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Maria Csocz Szakacs. 
Eliane Fontaine Trottier, wife of Maurice Trottier of Ville St. Michel, 
Quebec. 

Lloyd Carlton Willard of Sawyerville, Quebec, husband of Uldene Florence 
Barber Willard. 

Amira Sadikovic Wilson, wife of Roger Frederic Wilson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Ninth Report, pursuant to 
Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Therese Dube Beaulieu, wife of Romeo Beaulieu of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Gisele 
Causette Chapleau Belisle. 

Andre Durocher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire Chretien Durocher. 

Marie Jacqueline Colavecchio Dusablon, wife of Jean Rene Dusablon of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Susan Lukacs Gabor, wife of Ivan Gabor of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gertraud Hofmann Holzer, wife of Kurt Joseph Holzer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Sarah Waring James, wife of John William James of the Province 
of Quebec. 

Madeleine Cantin Kallweit, wife of Paul Horst Kallweit of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lee Litwack Leopold, wife of Henry Leslie Leopold of Westmount, Quebec. 

Minnie Herscovitch Lichtenstein, wife of Ben Lichtenstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rhoda Bregman Lipschutz, wife of Jerome Leonard Lipschutz of Cote 
St. Luc, Quebec. 

Sybil Lillian Freedman Lupovich, wife of Jack Arnold Lupovich of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Sylvia Evelyn Gruber Lyon, wife of Peter Alwyne Lyon of St. Lambert, 
Quebec. 

Robert Fernand Marcoux of Lachine, Quebec, husband of June Patricia 
Lyon Marcoux. 

Vickie Weinberg Marks, wife of Barry Allan Marks of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Elijah Marshalluk of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Rose Anna Baillar- 
geon Marshalluk. 

Francis John Nobbs of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Hazel Ernestine Nobbs. 

Allan Barry Phillips of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Irene Marie Flora 
Falardeau Phillips. 

Vivian Geoffrey Power of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Anna Mary Helen 
Kish Power. 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 29th JULY 301 

Anne Marion Mclnnis Prentice, wife of Arthur Clifford Prentice of Town of 
Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Gordon Richard Alexander Ramsden of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Margaret Eileen Woodall Ramsden. 

Elaine Gleeson Redmond, wife of James Allan Redmond of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Calvin Harold Robinson of Laval-des-Rapides, Quebec, husband of Shirley 
MacDonald Robinson. 

Jeanette Silver Rosenberg, wife of Leon Rosenberg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia McCarthy Sabetta, wife of Joseph Louis Jacques Sabetta of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

David Filmore Sadler of the Province of Quebec, husband of Nancy Agnes 
Sanborn Sadler. 

Lily (Lillian) Cohen Shapiro, wife of Sydney Shapiro of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ellen Shafer Smolar, wife of Samuel Bernard Smolar of Montreal, Quebec. 

Audrey Barbara Harris Sutton, wife of Frederick Albert Sutton of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Carmen Gravel Szabo, wife of Bela Szabo of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mihaly Szakacs of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Maria Csocz Szakacs. 

Eliane Fontaine Trottier, wife of Maurice Trottier of Ville St. Michel, 
Quebec. 

Lloyd Carlton Willard of Sawyerville, Quebec, husband of Uldene Florence 
Barber Willard. 

Amira Sadikovic Wilson, wife of Roger Frederic Wilson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



By unanimous consent, at 10.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 30th JULY 303 

No. 53 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 30th JULY, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Four hundred and thirty-seven petitions were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Seventh Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following Bills and has agreed to re- 
port them without amendment: 

Bill SD-1, An Act for the relief of Margaret Catherine Smith. 

Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Gladys Noreen Monette. 

Bill SD-3, An Act for the relief of Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie. 

Bill SD-4, An Act for the relief of Nicholas Cimbru Chambers. 

Bill SD-5, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski. 

Bill SD-6, An Act for the relief of Suzanne Chasse. 

Bill SD-7, An Act for the relief of Esther Wertheimer. 

Bill SD-8, An Act for the relief of Lygery Varverikos. 

Bill SD-9, An Act for the relief of Frank Hamilton Mingie, junior. 

Bill SD-10, An Act for the relief of Rosemary Beatrice Clare. 

Bill SD-11, An Act for the relief of Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette 
Champagne. 

Bill SD-12, An Act for the relief of Klara Brody. 

Bill SD-13, An Act for the relief of Bernice Bordensky. 

Bill SD-14, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Belanger. 



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Bill SD-15, An Act for the relief of Christina Aube. 
Bill SD-16, An Act for the relief of Brigitte Dophide. 
Bill SD-17, An Act for the relief of Anita Margaret d'Esterre. 
Bill SD-18, An Act for the relief of Gladys Jean Desjardins. 
Bill SD-19, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Dankner. 
Bill SD-20, An Act for the relief of Florence Patricia Da Silva. 
Bill SD-21, An Act for the relief of Judith MacBeth Cuggy. 
Bill SD-22, An Act for the relief of Giuseppe de Cristoforo. 
Bill SD-23, An Act for the relief of Beverley Hayden Crerar. 
Bill SD-24, An Act for the relief of Paulyne Leblanc. 
Bill SD-25, An Act for the relief of Gabriela Kiwitt. 
Bill SD-26, An Act for the relief of Dorothea Margaret Kay. 
Bill SD-27, An Act for the relief of Wilma Karls. 
Bill SD-28, An Act for the relief of Felix Hollinger. 

Bill SD-29, An Act for the relief of Abie Herscovitch, otherwise known 
as Allan Herscovitch. 

Bill SD-30, An Act for the relief of Doris Sibyl Jane Hassall. 

Bill SD-31, An Act for the relief of Ezreh Harry Herscovitch. 

Bill SD-32, An Act for the relief of Robert Fleischer. 

Bill SD-33, An Act for the relief of William Rankin Edmondson. 

Bill SD-34, An Act for the relief of Leonard Emond. 

Bill SD-35, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Irene Marjorie Adams. 

Bill SD-36, An Act for the relief of Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki. 

Bill SD-37, An Act for the relief of Harry Hyman. 

Bill SD-38, An Act for the relief of Nadia-Anne Hruszij. 

Bill SD-39, An Act for the relief of Christine Johnson. 

Bill SD-40, An Act for the relief of Arlene June Kaczur. 

Bill SD-41, An Act for the relief of Mary Teresa Hough. 

Bill SD-42, An Act for the relief of Bernard Hebert. 

Bill SD-43, An Act for the relief of Catherine Harper. 

Bill SD-44, An Act for the relief of Wilhelmina Grundy. 

Bill SD-45, An Act for the relief of Edith Diana Greenberg. 

Bill SD-46, An Act for the relief of Catherine Mildred Gray. 

Bill SD-47, An Act for the relief of Nancy Ruth Grabina. 

Bill SD-48, An Act for the relief of Lucille Goresky. 

Bill SD-49, An Act for the relief of Constance Valerie Laurie. 

Bill SD-50, An Act for the relief of Ellen Chase McKellar. 

Your Committee returns herewith the evidence and papers transmitted by 
the Senate to this House in relation thereto. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the Special Committee on Drugs and Pesticides appointed July 26, 1963, be 
composed of Messrs. Armstrong, Asselin (Richmond- Wolfe), Baldwin, Basford, 
Cashin, Casselman (Mrs.), Cote (Longueuil), Enns, Fairweather, Francis, 
Gauthier, Harley, Howe (Hamilton South), Mitchell, Nesbitt, Orlikow, Patter- 
son, Pennell, Pilon, Roxburgh, Rynard, Valade, Whelan and Willoughby. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 30th JULY 305 

Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Senate and House of Commons Act and 
the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act, was read the third time, 
on division, and passed. 



Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Criminal Code, was 
read the third time and passed. 



Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, was again considered in 
Committee of the Whole, and further progress having been made and reported, 
the Committee obtained leave to consider it again later this day. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-16, An Act to 
authorize the Construction and Maintenance of a Bridge and Tunnel across the 
St. Lawrence River at the Boucherville Islands, in the Province of Quebec; 

Mr. Lamontagne for Mr. Deschatelets, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — 
That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Commit- 
tee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, was again considered in 
Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

Objection being taken in Committee to the decision of the Chairman (Mr. 
Lamoureux) on a point of order, and an appeal being made to the House; 

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair, and the Chairman of the Committee made 
the following Report: — 

"In Committee of the Whole, when Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise 
Tax Act, was being considered, the honourable Member for Swift Current- 
Maple Creek (Mr. Mcintosh) moved the following amendment: 

"That Clause 6 be amended by adding after the words 'boxes for 
farm wagons' the words 'and farm trucks'." 

"The Chair ruled the amendment out of order on the ground that the pro- 
posal was outside the scope of the resolution adopted in Committee of Ways and 
Means on which the bill was based. 

"Whereupon the honourable Member for Swift Current-Maple Creek ap- 
pealed to the House from the decision of the Chair." 



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The question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the ruling of the Chairman 
be confirmed?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cyr, 


Hays, 


O'Keefe, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Davis, 


Hellyer, 


Olson, 


Wolfe), 


Deachman, 


Honey, 


Otto, 


Badanai, 


Denis, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Patterson, 


Basford, 


Deschatelets, 


Klein, 


Pennell, 


Batten, 


Drouin, 


Konantz (Mrs), 


Pepin, 


Beaule, 


Dube, 


Lachanee, 


Perron, 


Bechard, 


Dupuis, 


Laing, 


Pickersgill, 


Beer, 


Emard, 


Lamontagne, 


Pilon, 


Belanger, 


Ethier, 


Laniel, 


Plourde, 


Berger, 


Eudes, 


Latulippe, 


Richard, 


Blouin, 


Favreau, 


Laverdiere, 


Rinfret, 


Boulanger, 


Forest, 


Lessard 


Rochon, 


Boutin, 


Forgie, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean). 


Rondeau, 


Brown, 


Frenette, 


Macaluso, 


Rouleau, 


Byrne, 


Garland, 


Macdonald, 


Roxburgh, 


Cadieux, 


Gauthier, 


MacEachen, 


Ryan, 


Cameron (High 


Gelber, 


MacNaught, 


Sharp, 


Park), 


Gendron, 


Mellraith, 


Stewart, 


Cantin, 


Godin, 


McMillan, 


Teillet, 


Caouette, 


Granger, 


McNulty, 


Temple, 


Caron, 


Gray, 


Matheson, 


Thompson, 


Carter, 


Greene. 


Matte, 


Tucker, 


Chapdelaine, 


Gregoire, 


Moreau, 


Wahn, 


Choquette, 


Groos, 


Morison, 


Walker, 


Chretien, 


Guay, 


Mullally, 


Watson 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Habel, 


Munro, 


(Chateauguay- 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Haidasz, 


Nicholson, 


Huntingdon- 


Cowan, 


Hahn, 


Nixon, 


Laprairie), 


Crossman, 


Harley, 




Whelan— 113. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Alkenbrack, 


Forbes, 


McBain, 


Pugh, 


Baldwin, 


Grafftey, 


Mcintosh, 


Rapp, 


Barnett, 


Gundlock, 


Madill, 


Rheaume, 


Bigg, 


Hales, 


Mather, 


Ricard, 


Brewin, 


Herridge, 


Millar, 


Rynard, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Horner 


More, 


Smith, 


Cowichan-The 


(The Battlefords), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Southam, 


Islands), 


Howe (Wellington- 


North and 


Starr, 


Cardiff, 


Huron), 


Victoria), 


Stefanson, 


Chatterton, 


Irvine, 


Nasserden, 


Stenson, 


Churchill. 


Jorgenson, 


Nesbitt, 


Valade, 


Clancy, 


Kennedy, 


Orlikow, 


Vincent, 


Coates, 


Knowles, 


Pascoe, 


Watson (Assiniboia),. 


Crouse, 


Korchinski, 


Paul, 


Webb, 


Danforth, 


Loney, 


Peters, 


Webster, 


Doucett, 


MacEwan, 


Pigeon, 


Weichel, 


Fane, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Prittie, 


Willoughby, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


MacRae, 




Winch, 


Revelstoke), 






Winkler— 66. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 30th JULY 307 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-90, 
An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-2, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act, to which the 
concurrence of this House is desired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had agreed to the amendment made by the House of Commons to Bill 
S-27, An Act to incorporate Kinross Mortgage Corporation, without amend- 
ment. 



Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Economic Council 
of Canada, was again considered in Committee of the Whole, and further prog- 
ress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider 
it again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Dominion Coal Board for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 
15 of the Dominion Coal Board Act, chapter 86, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Administration of Allow- 
ances for Blind Persons in Canada for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 12 of the Blind Persons Act, chapter 17, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Miss LaMarsh, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Administration of Allowances for Disabled Persons in Canada 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 12 of the Disabled Per- 
sons Act, chapter 55, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Miss LaMarsh, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Administration of Old Age Assistance in Canada for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 12 of the Old Age Assistance Act, 
chapter 199, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated July 17, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a 
copy of any correspondence, documents or notes exchanged between the 
President of the Privy Council and the governments of each of the provinces 
in connection with the appointment in the near future of a Royal Commission 
on bilingualism and biculturalism. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 48). 



308 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Pickersgill, Return to an Order of the House, dated June 3, 1963, 
(Question No. 3) showing: 1. Are any Cabinet Ministers directors of any com- 
panies, corporations, etc., and, if so, what Ministers, of what companies or cor- 
porations are they directors, and at what date were any directorships presently 
held by such Cabinet Ministers assumed? 

2. Did any Cabinet Ministers resign any directorships on being sworn of 
the Privy Council and, if so, which Ministers, on what dates, and from what 
companies or corporations? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, Return to an Order of the House, dated July 10, 1963, 
(Question No. 364) showing: In their specifications, is it the practice of the 
architects of the Department of Public Works or of other Departments or 
Crown Corporations to insist on hardwoods produced in other countries for 
furniture and woodwork required by the Government or Crown Corporations 
and, if so, what are the reasons for this practice? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, Return to an Address, dated June 26, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of (a) the minutes of the Con- 
ference of the Indians of the Northwest Territories and Athabasca Region held 
at Fort Smith, N.W.T., on July 29-30, 1957 (b) the Report of the Commission 
to Investigate the Unfulfilled Provisions of Treaties 8 and 11 as they Apply 
to the Indians of the Mackenzie District, as set up by Order in Council P.C. 
799, dated June 25, 1959, said report having been filed in December 1959 (c) 
all memoranda, letters, telegrams and other correspondence exchanged be- 
tween the said Commission, the federal government, and the Indian people or 
their representatives, from December 1, 1959, to the present. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 35). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report entitled: 
Private and Public Investment in Canada — Outlook 1963, Mid- Year Review. 
(English and French). 

Eleventh Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions for Acts 
to annul the marriage of the following, presented on July 29th by Mr. Wahn, 
meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Mario Borrelli of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Adelina Nardi Borrelli. 

Marie Blanche Yvonne Therese Lemay Daniel, wife of Arthur Daniel of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Vanutelli Deschenes of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Honorine Denis 
Deschenes. 

Henri-Paul Dumais of Saint-Laurent, Quebec, husband of Celine Hamlet 
Dumais. 

Marie Imelda Lisette Rajotte Durocher, wife of Maurice Durocher of 
Chateaubriand, Quebec. 

Lillian Dauber Haller, wife of Alfred Haller of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patrick Marcel Renaud of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Louise 
Cote Renaud. 

Raymond St-Jacques of Fabreville, Quebec, husband of Therese Hart St- 
Jacques. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 30th JULY 309 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Tenth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Marylin Jean Moore Alie, wife of John Alie of Montreal, Quebec. 

Catherine Gerasimos Temponeras Andrulakis, wife of Miltiadis George 
Andrulakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Juliana Magdelene Rothlaender Ashley, wife of Charles William Ashley 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Alphonse Audet of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gracia Gagnon Audet. 

Denise Vezeau Bachelder, wife of Stanley John Arthur Bachelder of Rouge- 
mont, Quebec. 

Alma Ivy Trineer Bankley, wife of Gordon Lloyd Bankley of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Edouard Joseph Armand Baril of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Therese Bibiane Noel Baril. 

Jeannie Kozak Belchik, wife of Paul Belchik of Montreal, Quebec. 

Guy Bertrand of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Colombe Grondin 
Bertrand. 

Pamela Mcintosh Blair, wife of Alexander Wallace Anthony Blair of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Kenneth Allen Blight of St. Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec, husband of Iris 
Maureen Barnett Blight. 

Wilma Gloria Hill Bryson, wife of Lloyd George Bryson of Lachute, 
Quebec. 

Gerhard Hermann Buchholz of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ingrid Koenig 
Buchholz. 

Linda Alice Gardner Burrows, wife of Michael Heber Burrows of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lorraine Bastien Burt, wife of Harold Edmund Burt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Collin Mills Campbell of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Barbara June Jones 
Campbell. 

Judith Elizabeth Stacey Caron, wife of Norman Michael Caron of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Alice Elizabeth Newman Clarke, wife of Warren Clarke of Ville LeMoyne, 
Quebec. 

Anita Duguay Cleri, wife of Vinicio Cleri of Montreal, Quebec. 

Josephine Mary Holmes Croll, wife of Donald Edmund Croll of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Fortin Decelles of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Simonne Letour- 
neau Decelles. 

Alexandra Pantzaras Deliyannakis, wife of Nicholas Deliyannakis of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Margaret Joan Parkinson Digby, wife of George Arnold Digby of Ville St. 
Michel, Quebec. 

Jean Helen Wales Donnan, wife of James Stewart Donnan of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Hazel Weir Durocher, wife of Georges Durocher of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ruth Ilona Mickley Elkin, wife of Sidney Elkin of Montreal, Quebec. 



310 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

John Faucher of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marion Gardner Faucher. 

Marie Aline Martine Boucher France, wife of Sidney T. France of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Nicole Marie Pineau Geoffroy, wife of Bernard Marcel Geoffroy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Marie Augustine Jeannette Rail Gibbs, wife of William David Gibbs of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Kate Lester Gillman, wife of Saul Gillman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Yvonne Lucie Robillard Godard, wife of Joseph Arthur Jean Godard 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Joseph Huitson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Noel Huitson. 

Rosa Degen Jacobson, wife of Michael Jacobson of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margaret Anna Varga Kenwood, wife of Ronald Albert Kenwood of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Zelda Barbara Fine Kimberg, wife of Irving Noah Kimberg of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Mildred Dishell Kligman, wife of Sam Kligman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Anne Hanley Kotania, wife of Thaddeus Julian John Kotania 
of LaSalle, Quebec. 

Marie Celine Pierrette Lavoie Lapointe, wife of Laurent Lapointe of 
Lachine, Quebec. 

Joyce Irene Bernard Larocque, wife of Andrew Joseph Larocque of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Philippe Lebeau of Ville LaSalle, Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Pilon 
Lebeau. 

Guy Lefebvre of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Madeleine Bergeron Le- 
febvre. 

Violet Pearl St. James Kerr Lemoine, wife of Stanley Allen Lemoine 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Gold Letovsky, wife of Louis Wolfe Letovsky of Dorval, Quebec. 

Margaret Ada Edwards Lewis, wife of Gilbert Stephen Lewis of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

Jean Bernard L'Heureux of Ville LeMoyne, Quebec, husband of Monique 
St. Germain L'Heureux. 

Gertrude Vutz Lindener, wife of Arthur Lindener of Montreal, Quebec. 
Ann Marguerite Barnett MacDonald, wife of Russell Albert MacDonald of 
St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Vera Irene Scott MacKenzie, wife of William George MacKenzie of Lachute, 
Quebec. 

Maureen Carol McCullough McAlinden, wife of John Francis McAlinden 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margaret Rose Hamel McDuff, wife of Leonard Edward McDuff of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Angus Mcintosh of Verdun, Quebec, husband of June Theresa Gearey 
Mcintosh. 

Patricia Marjorie Fulton Maisonet, wife of Harold Edward Maisonet of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Mildred Dawson Larmonth Meakins, wife of Jonathan Fayette Meakins of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Valerie Jean Arnott Morton, wife of John Ure Morton of Verdun, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 30th JULY 311 

Elsa Trolle Munch, wife of Arne Munch of Dorval, Quebec. 

Betty Solomon (Naimo) Naimovitch, wife of Max Issie (Naimo) Naimo- 
vitch of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Josephine (Rose) Tworek Nawrocki, wife of Joseph John Nawrocki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Cynthia Beloff Nevitt, wife of Joshua Nevitt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Pawel Olejnik of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Bzik Olejnik. 

Jean Elizabeth Simmons O'Reilly, wife of Michael Walter O'Reilly of St. 
Laurent, Quebec. 

Charles Harold Page of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Carole Ann Gollan 
Page. 

Clara Edith Laszlo Papp, wife of Otto Papp of Montreal, Quebec. 

Paul Parizeau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Georgette Clement Parizeau. 

Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Made- 
leine Helene Dalcourt Pelletier. 

Suzi Elizabeth Locke Perry, wife of Robert Arnold Perry of St. Bruno, 
Quebec. 

Madge Estelle Druce Pinkerton, wife of Robert Pinkerton of Ville Le- 
Moyne, Quebec. 

Eva Florence Eigen Plaskett, wife of Gordon Plaskett of Montreal, Quebec. 

Louisa Emily Elizabeth Stevens Porter, wife of John Andrew Porter of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Lena Bruyn Quelle, wife of Hendricus Johanns Quelle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Real Richard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marcella Levesque Richard. 

Isadore Rosenblatt of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Sarah Molly Speevak 
Rosenblatt. 

Gerda Margarete Brodersen Ruhnau, wife of Willi Gustav Ruhnau of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Theresa Keefe Sckyra, wife of Erwin Sckyra of Longueuil, Quebec. 

Millicent Vera Bratley Seagrove, wife of Anthony Naworth Seagrove of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Blima (Wendy) Weitzman Shapiro, wife of Harry (Hirsh) Shapiro of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Lloyd James Simpson of Ste. Anne de Bellevue, Quebec, husband of Hazel 
Weston Kindred Simpson. 

Isadore Titleman of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marion Ganstil Title- 
man. 

James Richard Williamson of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Claire Morin 
Williamson. 

Shirley Margaret Bennett Woolley, wife of Edward Brian Woolley of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Jennie Cmikewicz Zajko, wife of Joseph Stanley Zajko of Chateauguay, 
Quebec. 



By unanimous consent, at 10.38 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 54 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

31st July, 1963. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Wilfred Judson, 
Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy of His Excellency 
the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 31st July, 
at 5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 

Mr. Speaker laid before the House, — Extract from the Minutes of a Meet- 
ing of the Commissioners of Internal Economy of the House of Commons of 
Canada, held at Ottawa on Monday, July 29, 1963, authorizing Salary Revisions 
for employees of the House of Commons, referred to as Group D Employees, 
effective October 1, 1962. (English and French). 

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314 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Sixth Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-29, An Act respecting The Sovereign 
Life Assurance Company of Canada, and has agreed to report it without amend- 
ment. 



On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Miss LaMarsh, it was ordered, — 
That the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence of the Special Committee on 
Food and Drugs appointed at the last session, together with all papers and 
records laid before it, be referred to the Special Committee on Food and Drugs 
appointed at this session. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-2, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act. — Mr. Chewier. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 454 — Mr. Fisher 

1. What grants or sums were paid by the Indian Affairs Branch in 1960, 
1961, and 1962 to churches or religious organizations for school and domicile 
of Indian charges of the Branch? 

2. To what churches and orders, by province, by reserve or by location, did 
these grants or sums go? 

Mr. Munro, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,111 — Mr. Matheson 

1. In what military operations have Canadian forces participated since the 
signing of the Korean cease-fire agreement on July 27, 1953? 

2. Why did Canada participate in each of these operations, and what was 
the nature, and the extent of her contribution? 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 62, 64, 65, and 66) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, was again considered in 
Committee of the Whole, reported with amendments, considered as amended, 
and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Economic Council 
of Canada, was again considered in Committee of the Whole, and further 
progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to 
consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



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WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 



315 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Macaluso, moved, — 
That Bills SD-51 to SD-251 both inclusive, which received first reading on 
Monday, July 29, be now read a second time and be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills for consideration forthwith; and that 
Standing Orders 93, 94(3) (a), 100, 102, 106 and 116 be suspended in relation 
thereto. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the following bills were read the second time, on division, 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills for con- 
sideration forthwith (together with the evidence taken and the papers produced 
in respect of the said bills before the Senate Standing Committee on Divorce): 

Bill SD-51, An Act for the relief of Angus Mcintosh. 

Bill SD-52, An Act for the relief of Claude Gerard Montpetit. 

Bill SD-53, An Act for the relief of Maureen Carol McAlinden. 

Bill SD-54, An Act for the relief of Vera Irene MacKenzie. 

Bill SD-55, An Act for the relief of Ann Marguerite MacDonald. 

Bill SD-56, An Act for the relief of Sybil Lillian Lupovich. 

Bill SD-57, An Act for the relief of Minnie Lichtenstein. 

Bill SD-58, An Act for the relief of Jean Bernard L'Heureux. 

Bill SD-59, An Act for the relief of Margaret Ada Lewis. 

Bill SD-60, An Act for the relief of Violet Pearl St. James Lemoine. 

Bill SD-61, An Act for the relief of Mildred Kligman. 

Bill SD-62, An Act for the relief of Zelda Barbara Kimberg. 

Bill SD-63, An Act for the relief of Margaret Anna Kenwood. 

Bill SD-64, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Kallweit. 

Bill SD-65, An Act for the relief of Philippe LeBeau. 

Bill SD-66, An Act for the relief of Joyce Irene Larocque. 

Bill SD-67, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Anna Kotania. 

Bill SD-68, An Act for the relief of Marie Celine Pierrette Lapointe. 

Bill SD-69, An Act for the relief of Shirley Sarah James. 

Bill SD-70, An Act for the relief of Lena Quelle. 

Bill SD-71, An Act for the relief of Charles Harold Page. 

Bill SD-72, An Act for the relief of Rosa Jacobson. 

Bill SD-73, An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Marguerite Allaway. 

Bill SD-74, An Act for the relief of Marylin Jean Alie. 

Bill SD-75, An Act for the relief of Juliana Magdelene Ashley. 

Bill SD-76, An Act for the relief of Alphonse Audet. 

Bill SD-77, An Act for the relief of Denise Bachelder. 

Bill SD-73, An Act for the relief of Alma Ivy Bankley. 

Bill SD-79, An Act for the relief of Edouard Joseph Armand Baril. 

Bill SD-80, An Act for the relief of Therese Beaulieu. 

Bill SD-81, An Act for the relief of Jeannie Belchik. 

Bill SD-82, An Act for the relief of John Faucher. 

Bill SD-83, An Act for the relief of Ruth Ilona Elkin. 

Bill SD-84, An Act for the relief of Hazel Durocher. 

Bill SD-85, An Act for the relief of Jean Helen Donnan. 

Bill SD-86, An Act for the relief of Margaret Joan Digby. 



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Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 

as Betty 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 

den. 

Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 



SD-87, 

SD-88, 

SD-89, 

SD-90, 

SD-91, 

SD-92, 

SD-93, 

SD-94, 

SD-95, 

SD-96, 

SD-97, 

SD-98, 

SD-99, 

SD-100 

SD-101 

SD-102 

SD-103 

SD-104 

SD-105 

SD-106 

SD-107 

SD-108 

SD-109 

Naimo. 

SD-110 
SD-111 
SD-112 
SD-113 
SD-114 
SD-115 
SD-116 
SD-117 
SD-118 
SD-119 
SD-120 
SD-121 
SD-122 
SD-123 
SD-124 

SD-125 
SD-126 
SD-127 
SD-128 
SD-129 
SD-130 
SD-131 



An Act for the relief of Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle. 

An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

An Act for the relief of Pamela Blair. 

An Act for the relief of Kenneth Allen Blight. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Yvonne Lucie Godard. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Augustine Jeannette Gibbs. 

An Act for the relief of Nicole Marie Geoffroy. 

An Act for the relief of Susan Gabor. 

An Act for the relief of Alexandra Daliyannakis. 

An Act for the relief of Joseph Fortin Decelles. 

An Act for the relief of Josephine Mary Croll. 

An Act for the relief of Anita Cleri. 

An Act for the relief of Alice Elizabeth Clarke. 

An Act for the relief of Judith Elizabeth Caron. 

An Act for the relief of Collin Mills Campbell. 

An Act for the relief of Lorraine Burt. 

An Act for the relief of Linda Alice Burrows. 

An Act for the relief of Gerhard Hermann Buchholz. 

An Act for the relief of Wilma Gloria Bryson. 

An Act for the relief of Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier. 

An Act for the relief of Clara Edith Papp. 

An Act for the relief of Frances Cynthia Nevitt. 

An Act for the relief of Betty Naimovitch, otherwise known 

An Act for the relief of Elsa Munch. 

An Act for the relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Rose McDuff. 

An Act for the relief of Vickie Marks. 

An Act for the relief of John Elijah Marshalluk. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Letovsky. 

An Act for the relief of Lee Leopold. 

An Act for the relief of Guy Lefebvre. 

An Act for the relief of Kate Gillman. 

An Act for the relief of Margarete Gerda Ruhnau. 

An Act for the relief of Catherine Ferasimos Andrulakis. 

An Act for the relief of John Joseph Huitson. 

An Act for the relief of Suzi Elizabeth Perry. 

An Act for the relief of Vivian Geoffrey Power. 

An Act for the relief of Gordon Richard Alexander Rams- 

An Act for the relief of Gertrude Lindener. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Aline Martine France. 

An Act for the relief of Shirley Margaret Woolley. 

An Act for the relief of James Richard Williamson. 

An Act for the relief of Isadore Titleman. 

An Act for the relief of Lloyd James Simpson. 

An Act for the relief of Lily (Lillian) Shapiro. 



A.D. 1963 


WEDNESDAY 


Bill SD-132, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-133 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-134 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-135, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-136 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-137, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-138 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-139 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-140 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-141 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-142 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-143 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-144 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-145 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-146 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-147 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-148 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-149 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-150 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-151 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-152 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-153 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-154 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-155 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-156 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-157 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-158 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-159 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-160 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-161 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-162 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-163 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-164 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-165 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-166 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-167 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-168 


An Act for the relief 


Bill SD-169 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-170 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-171 


An Act for the relief 


Bill SD-172 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-173 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-174 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-175 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-176 


, An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-177 


An Act for the relief 


BUI 


SD-178 


An Act for the relief 



317 



of Blima (Wendy) Shapiro. 

of Marie Theresa Sckyra. 

of Anne Marion Prentice. 

of Patricia Marjorie Maisonet. 

of Jennie Zajko. 

of Pawel Olejnik. 

of Millicent Vera Seagrove. 

of Patricia Sabetta. 

of Isadore Rosenblatt. 

of Calvin Harold Robinson. 

of Real Richard. 

of Louisa Emily Elizabeth Porter. 

of Eva Florence Plaskett. 

of Madge Estelle Pinkerton. 

of Allan Barry Phillips. 

of Paul Parizeau. 

of Jean Elizabeth O'Reilly. 

of Josephine Rose Nawrocki. 

of Valerie Jean Morton. 

of Franklin Dale Hufford. 

of Carroll Lynne Milette. 

of Evelyne Millette. 

of Leo Rene Maranda. 

of Edward Sidney Mansfield. 

of Elizabeth Angela Stirling. 

of Patricia Ann Small. 

of Jeanette Rosenberg. 

of Phyllis Siev. 

of Joseph Maurice Sealy. 

of Helena Jadwiga Igiel Wodnicki. 

of Amira Wilson. 

of Hyman Omri Tannenbaum. 

of Doris Irene Trerice. 

of Glen Stewart Tornay. 

of Audrey Barbara Sutton. 

of Adele Kathleen Strachan. 

of Bertha Staruch. 

of Mihaly Szakacs. 

of Doreen Dreyer Eastwood. 

of Jacques Ekaireb. 

of Rosaire Gauthier. 

of Gertraud Holzer. 

of Marie Joan Patricia Jeffries. 

of Anita Guido Knezevic. 

of Celia Lesnik. 

of Joan Mary Pearson. 

of Georgine Plzak. 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



Bill SD-179, 
Bill SD-180, 
Bill SD-181, 
Bill SD-182, 
Bill SD-183, 
Bill SD-184, 
Bill SD-185, 
Bill SD-186, 
Bill SD-187, 
Bill SD-188, 
Bill SD-189, 
Bill SD-190, 
Bill SD-19L 
Bill SD-192, 
Bill SD-193, 
Bill SD-194, 
Bill SD-195, 
Bill SD-196, 
Bill SD-197, 
Bill SD-198, 
Bill SD-199, 
Bill SD-200, 
Bill SD-201, 
Bill SD-202, 
Bill SD-203, 
Bill SD-204, 
Bill SD-205, 
Bill SD-206, 
Bill SD-207, 
Bill SD-208, 
Bill SD-209, 
Bill SD-210, 
Bill SD-211, 
Bill SD-212, 
Bill SD-213, 
Bill SD-214, 
Bill SD-215, 
Bill SD-216, 
Bill SD-217, 
Bill SD-218, 
Bill SD-219, 
Bill SD-220, 
Bill SD-22L 
Louis Nagy. 

Bill SD-222, 
Bill SD-223, 
Bill SD-224, 



An Act for the relief of Marcelle Rosenberg. 

An Act for the relief of Helen Beverley Sabo. 

An Act for the relief of Ruby Rita Smith. 

An Act for the relief of Marketa Tata. 

An Act for the relief of Ellen Smolar. 

An Act for the relief of Carmen Abrams. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Ellynore Abbott. 

An Act for the relief of John Andre Anderson. 

An Act for the relief of Anne Marie Asselin. 

An Act for the relief of Percy Beauvais. 

An Act for the relief of Shirley Brimacombe. 

An Act for the relief of James Coade. 

An Act for the relief of Ann Marie Cooke. 

An Act for the relief of Kathleen Sangster. 

An Act for the relief of Margot Scott Connor. 

An Act for the relief of Stasys Vysniauskas. 

An Act for the relief of Francoise Campion. 

An Act for the relief of Claire Bradford. 

An Act for the relief of Sylvia Evelyn Lyon. 

An Act for the relief of Gerald William Henderson. 

An Act for the relief of May Margaret Morelli. 

An Act for the relief of Franz Zeitlhofer. 

An Act for the relief of Lily (Laura) Anita Karbelnik. 

An Act for the relief of John Matthew Hardman Pickford. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Alice Rinder. 

An Act for the relief of Donald Beakes. 

An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

An Act for the relief of Lloyd Carlton Willard. 

An Act for the relief of Francis John Nobbs. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Jacqueline Dusablon. 

An Act for the relief of Helen Oulton. 

An Act for the relief of Gwendolyn Grace Lanctot. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Kathleen Lister. 

An Act for the relief of Judith Joy Spector. 

An Act for the relief of Myrtle Alice Southwood. 

An Act for the relief of Teresa Lesiuk. 

An Act for the relief of Ion Ignatescu. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Gallagher. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Catherine Weatherby. 

An Act for the relief of Linnea Erna Barbara Walker. 

An Act for the relief of Rhoda Lipschutz. 

An Act for the relief of Leslie Thomas Norval Modler. 

An Act for the relief of Lajos Nagy, otherwise known as 

An Act for the relief of Paul Orlivsky. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Jeanne Beaulieu. 

An Act for the relief of Rachela Zimber. 



A.D. 1963 



WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 



319 



Bill SD-225, An Act for 
Bill SD-226, An Act for 
Bill SD-227, An Act for 
Bill SD-228, An Act for 
Bill SD-229, An Act for 
Bill SD-230, An Act for 
Bill SD-231, An Act for 
Bill SD-232, An Act for 
Bill SD-233, An Act for 
Bill SD-234, An Act for 
guerite Bloodworth Pringle. 
Bill SD-235, An Act for 
Bill SD-236, An Act for 
Bill SD-237, An Act for 
Bill SD-238, An Act for 
Bill SD-239, An Act for 
Bill SD-240, An Act for 
Bill SD-241, An Act for 
Bill SD-242, An Act for 
Bill SD-243, An Act for 
Bill SD-244, An Act for 
Bill SD-245, An Act for 
Bill SD-246, An Act for 
Bill SD-247, An Act for 
Bill SD-248, An Act for 
Bill SD-249, An Act for 
Bill SD-250, An Act for 
Bill SD-251, An Act for 



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Jacqueline Henrietta Pujol. 

Rebecca Rosenstrauss. 

Irene Tyminski. 

Frances Lyman. 

Andre Durocher. 

Anna Elizabeth Strickland. 

Michele Breuer. 

Magella Bergeron. 

Lucien DeCoeur. 

Marie Henriette Antoinette Mar- 



of John Joseph Laflamme. 

of Eliane Trottier. 

of Sylvia Bertha Spires. 

of Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis. 

of Ivy Elizabeth Sherry. 

of Susanne Reiner. 

of Elaine Redmond. 

of Paul Emile Niquette. 

of Robert Fernand Marcoux. 

of Harold Moreau. 

of Philip Dalgleish. 

of Daniel Gaston Jules Caron. 

of Alexander Burke. 

of Aurella Breard. 

of Laurier Allain. 

of Agnes Agai. 

of David Filmore Sadler. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Criminal 
Code, without amendment. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Wilfred Judson, 
acting as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the imme- 
diate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 



And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable 
the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 
His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bills: 

An Act to amend the Atlantic Development Board Act. 

An Act to amend the Customs Tariff. 

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320 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

An Act to authorize the Construction and Maintenance of a Bridge and 
Tunnel across the St. Lawrence River at the Boucherville Islands, in the 
Province of Quebec. 

An Act respecting Ukrainian National Federation of Canada. 

An Act respecting The Board of Trade of Metropolitan Toronto. 

An Act to incorporate Kinross Mortgage Corporation. 

An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Criminal Code. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report, of the 
Agricultural Products Board for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 7 of the Agricultural Products Board Act, chapter 4, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Orders in 
Council pursuant to section 19 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 
29, Statutes of Canada, 1955, as follows: 

(1) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1029, dated July 5, 1963, withdrawing 
from entrustment to the Canadian National Railways and authorizing the 
conveyance by Letters Patent to the Corporation of the Municipality of St. 
Pierre d'Estcourt, approximately 2.704 acres of Canadian Government Railways 
land in the Township of Pohenegamook, Registration Division of Kamouraska, 
Province of Quebec. 

(2) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1030, dated July 5, 1963, withdrawing 
from entrustment to the Canadian National Railways and authorizing the 
Minister of Transport as "The Commissioners of the Transcontinental Railway" 
to convey to the Corporation of the Municipality of St. Pierre d'Estcourt, 
approximately 18,864 acres of Transcontinental Railway land in the Township 
of Pohenegamook, Registration Division of Kamouraska, Province of Quebec. 

(3) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1062, dated July 11, 1963, withdrawing 
from entrustment to the Canadian National Railway Company and transferring 
the administration and control to Her Majesty in right of the Province of 
Quebec, approximately 699,152.09 sq. ft. of Canadian Government Railways 
land in the Parish of Ste Foy, Province of Quebec. 

(4) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1096, dated July 18, 1963, withdrawing 
from entrustment to the Canadian National Railways and authorizing the con- 
veyance by Letters Patent part of the abandoned right-of-way of the Prince 
Edward Island Railway, Murray Harbour Subdivision from Mile 0.82 to Mile 
3.57 between Mason Road and Mount Herbert Station. 

(5) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1097, dated July 18, 1963, amending Order 
in Council P.C. 1963-899 of June 13, 1963, to (a) reduce from 145,314 sq. ft. 
to 144,129 sq. ft. the area of Railway land to be withdrawn from entrustment 
to the Canadian National Railway Company and conveyed by Letters Patent 
to Canada Packers Limited and (b) reduce the compensation to be paid by 
Canada Packers Limited for the said land from $33,422.22 to $33,149.67. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Capital Budget of the National Harbours Board for 
the year ending December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order 
in Council P.C. 1963-1122, dated July 25, 1963, approving same. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 321 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated July 24, 1963, (Question No. 950) showing: 

1. What is the tariff rate on books? 

2. In the year 1962, what revenue did this tariff yield the government? 

3. What is the purpose of such tariff? ' 

4. Is there any consideration being given to changing the tariff on books? 

5. What is the value of total book sales in Canada for 1962? 

6. How many people are employed by book publishers, printers, and 
binders? 

7. How many original works were published in Canada in 1961, and 1962? 

Twelfth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following for divorce Acts, presented on July 30 by Mr. Wahn, meet the require- 
ments of Standing Order 70: 

Maria Adalgisa (Gisele) Rossignoli Abbruzzese, wife of Fernando Abbruz- 
zese of Montreal, Quebec. 

Arnold Adie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Kathleen Anne Laffin Adie. 

Sheila Frances Barclay Alexander, wife of Gordon Lee George Alexander 
of Sherbrooke, Quebec. 

Joseph Arthur Marcel Allard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Irma 
Carmen Vandal Allard. 

Patricia Ann Marguerite Christie Allaway, wife of Russell Edward Allaway 
of Lachine, Quebec. 

William Gordon Allen of Pointe Claire, Quebec, husband of Margery Jean 
Milne Allen. 

Ann Viola Woodward Anderson, wife of John Overy Anderson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jeannine Guerin Archambault, wife of Jacques Gaston Archambault of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Marion Daphune Cormier Armour, wife of Norman Ernest Armour of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Ida Christina Amalia Helene Koel Arsenault, wife of Andre Joseph Arsen- 
ault of the Province of Quebec. 

Gilbert Merrill Aspinall of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Winnifred 
Joyce Brewer Aspinall. 

Mary Cameron Ross Atkinson, wife of Frederick Henry Atkinson of St. 
Lambert, Quebec. 

Anne Marie Mesureur Atzel, wife of Bela Atzel of Montreal, Quebec. 

Horst Axmann of Fulford, Quebec, husband of Rickarda Wengler Axmann. 

Iren Roth Bak, wife of Laszlo Bak of Montreal, Quebec. 

Norman Barmash of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Laura Berbrier Bar- 
mash. 

Therese Matte Beaudoin, wife of Robert Beaudoin of Quebec, Quebec. 

Lawrence Giblin McLean of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Gisele 
Lucienne Beaudry McLean. 

Joseph Lionel Ernest Lucien Beaulieu of Boucherville, Quebec, husband of 
Marie Antoinette Hamelin-Beaulieu. 

Kathleen Edna Hayden Belchem, wife of Ronald William Belchem of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

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322 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Jeanne d'Arc Papineau Benoit, wife of Jean Benoit of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph David Roma Beriault of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of Marie 
Clothilde Claire Boivin Beriault. 

Rejeanne Fortin Bertrand, wife of Paul Bertrand of Sorel, Quebec. 

Joan Helen Gertrude Heckman Best, wife of Stanley Marshall Best of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

William Billington of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Muriel Turner Billing- 
ton. 

Elizabeth Sharp Birch, wife of Christopher Birch of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Dean Roberts Bishop of North-Hatley, Quebec, husband of Margaret Gladys 
Redman Glassco Bishop. 

May Sherwood Bishop, wife of Hugh George Bishop of Montreal, Quebec. 

Carol Thornton Blackman, wife of Colin Blackman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Elaine Rolbin Bloom, wife of Bernard Bloom of Westmount, Quebec. 

Eva Livia Iranyi Blumberger, wife of Ferenc Blumberger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Mary Elizabeth Palmer Bolter, wife of Bernard John Bolter of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rita Anne Page Bonner, wife of Roy Bonner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Joan Meyers Boucher, wife of Odilon Alfred Boucher of Verdun, 
Quebec. 

Barbara Joan Eversfield Boudrias, wife of Joseph Alfred Yves Boudrias of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

John Terrence Bradley of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Jeanne 
Huguette Cecile Carreau Bradley. 

Joseph Roch Aurele Brault of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Frances Squire 
Brault. 

Betty Audrey Sims Brendish, wife of George Arnold Beresford Brendish of 
Terrasse Vaudreuil, Quebec. 

Barbara Newlove Broadbent, wife of Norman Broadbent of Ste. Dorothee, 
Quebec. 

Marie Reine Jeannine Groulx Brousseau, wife of Joseph Lucien Marcel 
Brousseau of Montreal, Quebec. 

June Patricia Pain Brown, wife of Ronald Moir Brown of Montreal, Quebec. 

Walter Brown of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Shirley Joan Williams 
Brown. 

Mary Louise Hooper Buchanan, wife of Edmund Llewellyn Buchanan of 
Dorval, Quebec. 

Ruby Grace Christie Buckell, wife of John William Buckell of North-Hatley, 
Quebec. 

Sheila Muriel Flynn Burland, wife of Haskell Rosino Burland of Town of 
Mount-Royal, Quebec. 

Roberta Sealey Burns, wife of Basil Burns of Verdun, Quebec. 

Ernestine Dorothy Burton, wife of Gerald Thomas Burton of the Province 
of Quebec. 

Fernand Bussieres of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Hebert Bussieres. 

Madeleine Turgeon Caron, wife of Gerard Caron of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edgar Louis Chaddock of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Celina Van Loy 
C haddock. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 323 

Rollande Audet Charbonneau, wife of Cajetan Charbonneau of Ville St. 
Michel, Quebec. 

Shirley Ann Hinman Charlow, wife of John William Charlow of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Sheila Patricia Garrett Charlton, wife of Harry Gordon Brian Charlton of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Elmer Stephen Cheverie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Leona Bernice 
Roach Cheverie. 

Diane Irene Gaudard Chicoyne, wife of Stanford Melvin Chicoyne of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Ludmilla Gorny ChiriaefT, wife of Alexis Chiriaeff of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Suszek Cieply, wife of Francis (Topolenski) (Cheply) (Niemiec) 
Cieply of La Macaza, Quebec. 

Alan John Clarke of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Margaret Navora 
Clarke. 

Ada Brewer Clement, wife of Leo Clement of Verdun, Quebec. 

Michael Chabotar of Ville St. Pierre, Quebec, husband of Marie Therese 
Ash Chabotar. 

Margaret Humphreys Clewes, wife of Richard Clewes of Montreal, Quebec. 

Antonia Sanscartier Cloutier, wife of Georges Cloutier of Ville Lemoyne, 
Quebec. 

Sheila Aronoff Cohen, wife of Seymour Cohen of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Eileen McEvoy Collard, wife of Wilfred Henry Collard of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

James Joseph Condon of Ville Emard, Quebec, husband of Dorothy 
Catherine McAllister Condon. 

Martha Christene Cook Cooper, wife of Robert William Cooper of Ville 
LaSalle, Quebec. 

Pauline Georgette Mary Malo Corp, wife of Shirley Gear Corp of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Olive Annie Kirby Coulombe, wife of Joseph Louis Gerard Coulombe of 
Bagotville, Quebec. 

Monique Garneau Coutu, wife of Jean Coutu of Montreal, Quebec. 

Earl Hayward Coveduck of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Audrey Diamond 
Rowe Coveduck. 

Thelma Lillian McRae Crooks, wife of John Wesley Crooks of Grenville, 
Quebec. 

Mildred Niren (Nirenberg) Cubitz, wife of Allan Cubitz of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Doreen Klara Whitehouse Culmer, wife of Ronald Herbert Henry Culmer 
of Tracy, Quebec. 

Frances Mary Coghill Cushing, wife of Gerald King Cushing of Westmount, 
Quebec. 

Claire Limoges Cyr, wife of Jean Guy Cyr of St. Anne-de-Bellevue, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Jane O'Brien Dagenais, wife of Claude Theodore Dagenais of 
Outremont, Quebec. 

Lucien Real Da Silva of Ste. Foy, Quebec, husband of Yvonne Dupuis 
Da Silva. 

Millicent Eileen Davis, wife of Harold Davis of Windsor, Newfoundland. 



324 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Dorothy Sheritt Davison, wife of Thomas Matthew Davison of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Robert John Day of the Province of Quebec, husband of Ivy Mary Brown 
Day. 

Claudette Jarry Dehan, wife of Ghislain Dehan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jeannine Lanctot Delage, wife of Pierre Delage of Montreal, Quebec. 

Genowefa Czernianin Delego, wife of Edward Delego of Montreal, Quebec. 

Louis Mathieu Delfosse of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Blanche Spriggs 
Delfosse. 

Marie Aline Denise Rainville de Muys, wife of Joseph Alphonse Jean 
Raymond de Muys of Westmount, Quebec. 

Albert Desjardins of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Gilda (Giselle) Laporte 
Desjardins. 

Marie- Anne Landry Desjardins, wife of Henri Desjardins of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean H. Deslauriers of Outremont, Quebec, husband of Marielle Lemieux 
Deslauriers. 

Marion Irma Friefeld Dickman, wife of Leonard Stanley Dickman of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Edgar Dietrich of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Lieselotte Margot Irmscher 
Dietrich. 

Florence Freda Tadei Dingman, wife of Reginald Orsen Dingman of Austin, 
Quebec. 

Anna Hasapa Dionissatos, wife of George Dionissatos of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ethel Lois Read Dixon, wife of Patrick Brian Dixon of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Patience Scarbrough Dixon, wife of Meredith Fred Dixon of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Una Elizabeth Pritchard Dobell, wife of Alfred Martin Dobell of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Marilyn Wexelman Dobrofsky, wife of Irving Dobrofsky of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Gordon George Donnelly of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marjorie Ball 
Donnelly. 

Janine Madeleine Grumbach Dorland, wife of Albert Arthur Dorland of 
St. Hilaire, Quebec. 

Peter Doukas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Theodora Psyhogios Doukas. 

Neilson Harold Dowsley ' of Pinecourt, Quebec, husband of Mary Ellen 
Hayden Dowsley. 

Diane Bulloch Dufresne, wife of Pierre Noiseux Dufresne of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Barbara Shultz Dumansky, wife of Harvey Dumansky of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elaine Evyline Evans Dunwoodie, wife of James Dougherty Dunwoodie 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marcheta Lino Griffith Edwards, wife of Gerald Willoughby Edwards of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Elizabeth Hodgson Eramian, wife of Arthur (Artine) Eramian of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Madeleine Priscilla Deane Suckling Everall, wife of Peter Robert Newall 
Everall of Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 325 

Naoma Harriet Therese Ward Falardeau, wife of Joseph Lorenzo Camille 
Falardeau of LaSalle, Quebec. 

Marlene Judith Doubilet Feinstein, wife of Bernard Feinstein of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Pasquale Ficara of Chibougamou, Quebc, husband of Claire Gervais Ficara. 

Adele Caprioli Fisher, wife of Harold John Fisher of Montreal, Quebec. 

Bruorton Reginald Moore Fitz-Gerald of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Katheleen Patricia MacGregor Fitz-Gerald. 

Maisie Johanna Brook Flegal, wife of Frank Archibald Flegal of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Nicolle Potvin Fleurant, wife of Jean Louis Fleurant of Montreal, Quebec. 

Freda Dick Allen Floyd, wife of James Robert Floyd of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gwynneth Margaret MacLeod Forget, wife of Joseph Pierre Arsene Forget 
of Pierrefonds, Quebec. 

Edmond Foster of Montreal-North, Quebec, husband of Marcelle Dupuis 
Foster. 

Heidi Gertrude Kuss Foster, wife of Gerald McAuslan Foster of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Clara Melissa Riche Frampton, wife of Frederick Charles Frampton of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Cormack Franey, wife of Kenneth Carleton Franey of Ville 
St. Michel, Quebec. 

Geraldine Edith Joan Girouard Gagne, wife of Elmer Victor George Gagne 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mortimer Joseph Garelick of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ruth Monik 
Lise Roy Garelick. 

Giovanna (Joan) Salvatore Garley, wife of Richard Joseph Christopher 
Garley of Montreal, Quebec. 

Suzanna Prins Garner, wife of Aubrey Kenneth Garner of Verdun, Quebec. 

Suzanne Mary Goodger Garrett, wife of Elton Adrian Garret of Pointe- 
Claire, Quebec. 

Armand Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Parent 
Gauthier. 

John Stewart Geddie of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Heather Alice Kelly 
Geddie. 

Magdeleine Tetrault Geofrrion, wife of Louis Pierre Tancrede Geofrrion 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Theodore Gitnick of Saint Laurent, Quebec, husband of Annie Molly 
Coogan Gitnick. 

Ann Marilyn Schlesinger Goldberg, wife of Kenneth Nathan Goldberg of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Lorraine Cook Gough, wife of Leonard Walter Gough of Montreal, Quebec. 

William Wallace Graham of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Sandra Sorrell 
Graham. 

Anna Swiderska Goralczyk, wife of John Goralczyk of Montreal, Quebec. 

Freda Linden Greenblatt, wife of Brahm Edward Greenblatt of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Beverley Respitz Grundman, wife of Gerald Grundman of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 



326 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Marie Bernadette Guitar (Guitard), wife of Laurent Guitar (Guitard) of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph-Leandre Guitard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie-Lina 
Barry Guitard. 

Julianna Barta Gulyas, wife of Zoltan Gulyas of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margaret Elizabeth Taylor Hall, wife of John Henry Hall of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Margaret Helen Brander Hall, wife of Leslie George Hall of Chomedey, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Morecroft Tooke Hamilton, wife of James Bedell Hamilton of 
South-Bolton, Quebec. 

George Hann of Lewisporte, Newfoundland, husband of Lavinia Pearl Can- 
ning Hann. 

Mabel Bessie Hart Harris, wife of Lewis Rudolph Harris of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Paul Harrison of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Louise Falardeau Harrison. 

Maureen Sandra Murray Hastie, wife of Leslie John William Hastie of 
Morin Heights, Quebec. 

Georgette Patricia Marie Drummond Haugwitz, wife of Henry Haugwitz 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Maurice Hayman of St-Laurent, Quebec, husband of Claudette Rettinger 
Hayman. 

Edith Maksim Herman, wife of Thomas Joseph Herman of Prevost, Quebec. 

Mary Hilda Hyslop Hermita, wife of Adolfo Fernandez Hermita of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Marguerite Lacoste Hof, wife of Friedhelm Hof of Montreal, Quebec. 

Hisako (Elizabeth) Honma, wife of Hiroshi (George) Kubota Honma of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Anna Sophie Johanna Dora Winter Hoppe, wife of Werner Hermann Fried- 
rich Hoppe of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Theresa Megin Horan, wife of Robert Horan of Pierrefonds, Quebec. 

Gisele Morency Houle, wife of Jacques Houle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Andre Hourlier of Chomedey, Quebec, husband of Colette Cayla Hourlier. 

Hilda Louise Magnusson Howard, wife of George Marshall Howard of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Grace Lillian Humphreys Hutcheson, wife of Edward Lome Hutcheson of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Susan Joan Hyman Greenberg, wife of Morris Greenberg of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Constance Lorraine Brown Jackson, wife of Franklyn Aidan Jackson of 
Pierrefonds, Quebec. 

Gilbert Walter Jackson of Croydon, Quebec, husband of Patricia May 
Ramsey Jackson. 

Markie Marie Mervyn Jeffries, wife of James Jeffries of Montreal, Quebec. 

Eileen Patricia Sullivan Johnston, wife of Thomas Johnston of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Irene Dorothy Stevens Jones, wife of William George Jones of Verdun, 
Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 327 

Violet Maud Willis Jones, wife of David William Jones of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Salavich Jonker, wife of Joshua Jonker of Dorval, Quebec. 

Yves Marie Aime Jouanet, of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Ray- 
monde Jeannine Portay Jouanet. 

Nell Gwendolyn Fleury Jull, wife of Reginald Bennet Jull of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Frank (Franciszek) Kaim of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Grzywna 
Kaim. 

Wasyl Kaprian of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anna Szwyhar (Yani- 
shewska) Kaprian. 

Phyllis Wishnowski Kara, wife of Julius Kara of Montreal, Quebec. 

Nicholas Karavas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Demetra Karababas 
Karavas. 

Mary Kardaras, wife of Anastasios Demitriou (Tom) Kardaras of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Bonnie Winston Karel, wife of Isedore Gozowski Karel of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Katalin Stern Katz, wife of Abraham Katz of Montreal, Quebec. 

Klawda Bass Kawalerski, wife of Wladislaw Kawalerski of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Vytautas Peter Kazlauskas of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Mary Alice 
Catherine Murphy Kazlauskas. 

Edith Mary Henderson Kelly, wife of John Joseph Kelly of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Maureen Wyse Kelsch, wife of Raymond Kelsch of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Hobbs Kemp, wife of Roy Kemp of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Rosamund Bushe Kertland, wife of John Oliver Kertland of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Cameron Foucar Kielmann, wife of Arnfried Adolf Kielmann of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Irene Collier Klinger, wife of William Bernard Klinger of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Jurgen Manfred Kluwe of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Patricia Anne 
Nangreaves Kluwe. 

Brigitta Hoess Knauth, wife of Franz Wilhelm Knauth of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Reid Studd Koken, wife of Bernd-Krafft Koken of Granby, Quebec. 

John Kotsos of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Phyllis Wilson Kotsos. 

Norma Elizabeth Peddle Kovacs, wife of Robert Victor Kovacs of Beacons- 
field, Quebec. 

Marianne Renate Schimkatis Kramer, wife of Max Kramer of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Eli Kraus of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Rozin Kraus. 

Morris Alexander Kulba of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eugenia Yanchak 
Kulba. 

Paula Elaine Segal Kurland, wife of Leonard Kurland of Cote St. Luc, 
Quebec. 

Nicolaj Kuschnir of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jadewica Kitkowna 
Kuschnir. 

Nicholas Kyrangelos of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Hildegarde Schulz 
Kyrangelos. 



328 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Denise Henry Labelle, wife of Paul-Emile Labelle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Pierre Lacasse of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Huguette Leblanc 
Lacasse. 

Linda Ruth Kirsch Lach, wife of Barry Lach of Montreal, Quebec. 
Monique Nicole Theriault Ladouceur, wife of Joseph Henri Hubert Ladou- 
ceur of Montreal, Quebec. 

Reine Ethier-Lafleur, wife of Conrad Lafleur of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Marcel Andre Laforge of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Alice 
Boilard Laforge. 

Roger Laframboise of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Jeannine Pelle- 
tier Laframboise. 

Evelyn Alberta Florence Cere Lalonde, wife of Joseph Aime Arcidas Ro- 
land Lalonde of Lafleche, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Kolokithia Lambrinoudis, wife of Ioannou Lambrinoudis of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Antoinette Fiore Lamoureux, wife of Joseph Evans Lamoureux of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Joseph Adolphe Jean de Rainville Laurendeau of Outremont, Quebec, 
husband of Marie Madeleine Denise Jalbert Laurendeau. 

Louise Beausoleil Lavigne, wife of Gilbert Lavigne of Cote St. Paul, Que- 
bec. 

Margaret Lepaine Lawlor, wife of Lawrence Lawlor of Ormstown, Quebec. 

Jean McKinley Law Lear, wife of Frederick Thomas Lear of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean Eileen Moreland Leath, wife of Anthony James Leath of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie-Paule Goineau Le Bel, wife of Roger Le Bel of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Bernice Boyce Leblanc, wife of Victor Emile Leblanc of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Clairette Schnurer Leibovici, wife of Tuvia Leibovici of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Yvonne St. Aubin Lemieux, wife of Roland Lemieux of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Ginette Ingrid Reiskind Leopold, wife of Monroe Paul Leopold of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Joseph Ferdinand Lepine of Bryson, Quebec, husband of Edna Lepine. 

Marjorie Edith Taylor Leroux, wife of George Gustave Leroux of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Hans Ulrich Lewin of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Lesley Patricia 
Weston Roxburgh Lewin. 

Joseph Antonio Benoit Jacques L'Heureux of Montreal, Quebec, husband 
of Marie Irene Jacqueline Cauvier L'Heureux. 

Barbara Marjorie Ives Lind, wife of Harold Robert Henrick Lind of Pointe- 
Claire, Quebec. 

Margaret Stuart Cairns Liontos, wife of Theodore Nicholas Liontos of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Gilbert Long of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Helene Hebert Long. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 329 

Ella Jane Ward Lyon, wife of John Arthur Lyon of Montreal, Quebec. 

William George McCartney of Ste. Anne-de-Bellevue, Quebec, husband of 
Anna Augustine Madeleine Aubin McCartney. 

Evelyn Margaret Henderson McConnell, wife of John Griffith McConnell 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Dorothy Marie Beale McElroy, wife of Arthur Winston McElroy of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Ellen Joan Lovell McGuigan, wife of Edward McGuigan of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Delia Pechie McGuire, wife of Walter Charles McGuire of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Alice May Graham Laing McKenna, wife of John Thomas McKenna of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Edmund Arthur McMahon of St. Lambert, Quebec, husband of Katherine 
Mary Margaret O'Neail Evans McMahon. 

Marie Frances Theuerkauf McMahon, wife of Gordon Eric McMahon of 
Chateauguay Heights, Quebec. 

Joseph Mabo of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elizabeth Miriam Allen 
Mabo. 

Joan Isabel Hannaford MacDonald, wife of David Gilchrist MacDonald of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Eva Daniel Mack, wife of Nicholas Sutton Bradshaw Mack of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Elizabeth Yvonne Goldberger Buday Mactaggart, wife of Donald John 
Mactaggart of Montreal, Quebec. 

Roland Malaket of the Province of Quebec, husband of Jacqueline Dulude 
Malaket. 

Blanche Gagnon Mallette, wife of Roger Mallette of Montreal, Quebec. 

Margaret Alguire Mallette, wife of James Morrow Mallette of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Irene Elizabeth Marchesseau Malloch, wife of Thomas Daniel Malloch, of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Maureen Ann O'Shaughnessy Maltby, wife of John Allan Maltby of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Josephine Agnes Rita Feehan Maltman, wife of Dennis Haig William Malt- 
man, of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ruth Alice Helen Greenblatt Manson, wife of Alexander Norman Digby 
Manson of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mario Marino of Duvernay, Quebec, husband of Diane Dessaint de St. 
Pierre Marino. 

Helen Freda Benjamin (Marks) Markowiecki, wife of David (Marks) 
Markowiecki of Montreal, Quebec. 

Denyse St-Hilaire Marshall, wife of Raymond Marshall of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Faith Audrey Gloria Burnham Martel, wife of Henri Jacques Mario Martel 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Roger Martel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jeannine Beauregard Mar- 
tel. 

Beverly Ann Johnston Martin, wife of Malcolm Barry Martin of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Eric Meace of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Margaret Lord Meace. 



330 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mary Eileen Slattery Menard, wife of Bernard Menard of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Alfred Michel Andre Pierre Mercier of Chateauguay Basin, Quebec, 
husband of Maureen Lillian Conlin Mercier. 

Monique Emond Mercure, wife of Pierre Mercure of Montreal, Quebec. 

Fleur Aimee Marie Liette Ranger Methot, wife of William Paul Methot of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Antonio Minicozzi of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Pasqualine Agostinelli 
Minicozzi. 

George Mintasky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anita Villa Mintasky. 

Giselle Miron Mignault, wife of Jean (Jack) Mignault of Montreal, Quebec. 

Helen Mary MacKay Moffat, wife of Alexander Moffat of Sweetsburg, 
Quebec. 

Hipolite Paul Molla of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Louisa Gagnon Molla. 

Joseph William Alfonse Morency of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elva 
Eileen Linford Morency. 

Carol Clarke Moretti, wife of Arthur Moretti of St. Michel, Quebec. 

Ann Nanasi Moskovits, wife of George Moskovits of Montreal, Quebec. 

Bernice Ruth Serlin Mroz, wife of Harry William Mroz of Montreal, Quebec. 

Olive Brown Mulcahy, wife of Thomas Mulcahy of Verdun, Quebec. 

Marianna Marcoli Muller, wife of Tamas Imre Muller of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Hilda Holgate Murray, wife of Ian Murray of Montreal, Quebec. 

Constance Marion Hurlburd Musgrove, wife of Stuart Swinyer Musgrove 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ellen Alice Hendry Nelham, wife of John William Riley Nelham of Pointe 
Claire, Quebec. 

Paul Neron of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Riopel Neron. 

Gertrud Anna Marie Seeburg Neubauer, wife of Hans Heinz Wilhelm Neu- 
bauer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rena Cohen Newman, wife of Norman Newman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Huguette Marcoux Nyeste, wife of Zolton Benedek Nyeste of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

Patricia James Lang O'Connor, wife of Wallace Dean O'Connor of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Lillian Turowitz Ofter, wife of Abraham Ofter of Montreal, Quebec. 

Barbara Winnifred Kurtz Oleschuk, wife of Edward Oleschuk of St. Hilaire, 
Quebec. 

Paul Orlivsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Regina Depenbusch 
Orlivsky. 

Russell Pain of Lemoyne, Quebec, husband of Eileen Agnes St. Croix Pain. 

Gertrude Falkenstein Pajer, wife of Gyula Pajer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Maria Sirakis Papadakis, wife of George Papadakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Arthur Paquette of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Viola Labonte Paquette. 

Maurice Paquette of St-Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec, husband of Ghislaine 
Bertrand Paquette. 

Joseph Emile Serge Jean Guy Paquin of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Marie Claire Denise Gosselin Paquin. 

Eileen Owens Parent, wife of William Hercule Parent of Verdun, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 331 

Lionel Mortimer Pasen of Cote St. Luc, Quebec, husband of Rosalie Margel 
Pasen. 

Carole Irene Leggett Paterson, wife of Robert Dent Paterson of Laval West, 
Quebec. 

Ernest Francis Pattullo of Ville D'Anjou, Quebec, husband of Patricia 
Veronica Fannon Pattullo. 

Amelia Spiratu Pavalatos, wife of Georges Pavalatos of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edouard Pellerin of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jeanne Salois Pellerin. 

Pauline Adamczewski Perrault, wife of Marcel Perrault of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marie Gilberte Marcelle Lapointe Perron, wife of Joseph Roger Tancrede 
Lionel Perron of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doreen Gladys Ada Nicholson Perry, wife of Howard Ross Perry of Rox- 
boro, Quebec. 

Jane Hanson Phillips, wife of William Edward Stock Phillips of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Jean Jacques Aime Picotte of St. Remi, Quebec, husband of Marie Pierrette 
Jacqueline Gauthier Picotte. 

Jean Elaine Lowe Pinatel, wife of Jean Andre Pinatel (Jr.) of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Jean Plante of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Denise Perusse-Plante. 

Werner Hermann Pluss of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Maria Vincenza 
Patricia Calderisi Pluss. 

Marjorie Helen Stainer Poirier, wife of Vernon Leo Joseph Poirier of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Margaret Poirier, wife of Donald Raymond Poirier of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Yetta Alterovitch Pomerantz, wife of Morris Pomerantz of Hull, Quebec. 

Yvette Giraldeau Pons, wife of Vincent Pons (Jr.) of Montreal, Quebec. 

Francoise Jeanne Raymond Porteous, wife of Conrad De Lotbiniere Por- 
teous of Westmount, Quebec. 

Beverley Grace Smith Proulx, wife of Aime Hector Joseph Pierre (Peter) 
Proulx of Montreal, Quebec. 

Therese Chaput Ratelle, wife of Andre Ratelle of Montreal, Quebec. 

Thurza Patricia Coleman Reid, wife of Stafford Philip Reid of Fabreville, 
Quebec. 

Marcel Renaut of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Ruby Marie Bradbury 
Renaut. 

Marion Fournier Richardson, wife of Gordon Richardson of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Come Richer of Ville d'Anjou, Quebec, husband of Gisele Perreault Richer. 

Fay Naiman Richt, wife of Joseph Richt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Dorothy Allen Rivard, wife of Louis Georges Rivard of Three Rivers, 
Quebec. 

Gisele Plouffe Rivard, wife of Paul Rivard of Montreal, Quebec. 

Therese Murray Rivet, wife of Denis Rivet of Montreal, Quebec. 

Valera Marion Moore Robb, wife of John Lynwood Robb of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Magdolna Rado Robert, wife of Paul (Pal) Robert of Montreal, Quebec. 



332 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Joseph G. Rolland Robert of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Blanche 
Levesque Robert. 

Yvon Robert of St. Elzear, Quebec, husband of Rita Lachance Robert. 

Doris Elinor Champ Roberts, wife of John Gilbert Roberts of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Frederick Roberts of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Hazel Doreen 
Gushue Roberts. 

Irma Patricia Sabloff Robin, wife of Abe Robin of Montreal, Quebec. 

Armand Ronco of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Louise Beaudry Ronco. 

Melvin Rose of Bay Roberts, Newfoundland, husband of Elizabeth Butler 
Rose. 

Susie Susser Rosenblatt, wife of Meir Rosenblatt of Montreal, Quebec. 

William Joseph Rowe of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Joan 
Pauline Miller Rowe. 

Pierre Roy of Laval West, Quebec, husband of Dorothy May Jacobs Roy. 

Fany Ghimpelman Rubenstein, wife of Claude Henri Rubenstein of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Jack Reinhold Russel of Chateauguay, Quebec, husband of Helen Evelyn 
Claire Sinnett Russel. 

Gitta Klages Rybicki, wife of Edgar Fred Rybicki of Montreal, Quebec. 

Elphege St-Germain of Jacques-Cartier, Quebec, husband of Isabelle 
Racicot St-Germain. 

Jean-Paul Ste. Marie of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mariette Beaudry 
Ste. Marie. 

Helen Beverley Johnson Sabo, wife of Stephen Sabo of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Simon Saint-Louis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Nicole Berthelet Saint- 
Louis. 

Andrew Sallai of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eva Hegedus Sallai. 

Ahuva Lina Sussman Sandperl, wife of Elias Sandperl of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gertrude Elisabeth Drehmann Sas, wife of Antoni Sas of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Lionel Saumur of Aylmer, Quebec, husband of Marguerite Gaetane 
Grenier Saumur. 

Gertrude Elizabeth Manning Saunderson, wife of Thomas Clifford Warden 
Saunderson of Beaconsfield, Quebec. 

Paulette Benoit Sauve, wife of Andre Sauve of He Bizard, Quebec. 

Rita Boudreau Savard, wife of Henri Savard of Montreal, Quebec. 

Demetra Tsivriotis Savourda, wife of Nicolaos Savourda of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jacqueline Lois Lubben Sawers, wife of Michael David Sawers of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Ingeborg Koopmann Schmidt, wife of Walter Schmidt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Schulte of the Province of Quebec, husband of Margot Rein 
Schulte. 

Arnold Campbell Scott of Dorval, Quebec, husband of Mary Elizabeth 
Brown Scott. 

Sarah Jane Harbinson Scott, wife of Albert William Scott of Waterville, 
Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 333 

Emmy Luise Booking Scott, wife of William Clifford Munroe Scott of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Helen Miriam Simond Selby, wife of David Selby of Westmount, Quebec. 

Jacqueline Dussault Serrati, wife of Giovanni Serrati of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ruth Gittelson Shapiro, wife of Eli Shapiro of Westmount, Quebec. 

William Sharko of Chateauguay, Quebec, husband of Sonja Giesella Burk- 
hardt Sharko. 

Jacqueline Mary Atta Shatilla, wife of Norman Elias Shatilla of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

John Phillip Shave of Stephenville Crossing, Newfoundland, husband of 
Norma Mary Shave. 

Ethelyne Zidulka Silverman, wife of Edward Silverman of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Evelyn Shirley Borenstein Silverman, wife of Theodore Silverman, of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Augustine Gingras Simard, wife of Gideon Simard of Magog, Quebec. 

Emile Simard of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Irene Damon Simard. 

Mary Hurley Simmonds, wife of Robert Simmonds of St. John's, New- 
foundland. 

Margarete Hohanne Kuba Simmons, wife of Jack Edwin Simmons of the 
United States of America. 

Imrich Sinka of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Abargita Kukla Sinka. 

Luba Kopanski Slapak, wife of Ber Slapak of Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Barbara Brewer Smith, wife of Stephen Hubert Smith of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Lillian Joyce Potter Snow, wife of Herbert George Snow of Ville LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Betty Jane Doehler Sockett, wife of David Lucas Sockett of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Diana Canzer Soiffer, wife of Chane Soiffer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kurt Sperlich of Cote St. Luc, Quebec, husband of Helga Drescher Sperlich. 

Shirley Christina Anne Rose Stamper, wife of William James Stamper of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Linda Rose Low Steeves, wife of Dexter Allan Steeves of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Pauline Day Steeves, wife of Otto Tremaine Steeves of St. Laurent, 
Quebec. 

Florence El'Nore Anne Friel Stevens, wife of George David Hamilton 
Stevens of Montreal, Quebec. 

Constance Phyllis Penny Stewart, wife of Richard Peter Stewart of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Arthur Stoltze of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Margot Gengele Stoltze. 

Joan Geering Stockloser, wife of William Karl Stockloser of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Harold Clarke Sweet of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Alison Wood Corn- 
mack Sweet. 

Kenneth James Graham Tait of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Elsie 
Marguerite Joudrey Tait. 

Marcel Talbot of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Paul Belair Talbot. 



334 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Angelika Vysoky Tasler, wife of Edmund Tasler of Montreal, Quebec. 

Adrien Tellier of Rouyn, Quebec, husband of Gisele Langlois Tellier. 

Catherine Eileen Kennedy Tennant, wife of Alfred William Tennant of 
Pointe Claire, Quebec. 

Maurice Therrien of St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Antonine Lefebvre 
Therrien. 

Edith Mary Seymour-Higgins Thorn, wife of William Wylie Thorn of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Yvonne Alice Wilson Thomas, wife of Gerard Phillippe Thomas of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Arthur William Tombs of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Eunice 
Gallant Tombs. 

Barbara June Ibberson Thompson, wife of Chester Howard Thompson of 
Ville St. Pierre, Quebec. 

Lionel Samuel Tiger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marquita Marguerite 
Crevier Tiger. 

Victoria Nassou Topousoglou, wife of Nicholas Topousoglou of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Robert Toupin of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Monique Chaput Tou- 
pin. 

Albert Wilfrid Tremblay of Farnham, Quebec, husband of Eveline Desor- 
miers dit Cusson Tremblay. 

Leo Paul Turcotte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Henriette Leborgne 
Turcotte. 

Sylvie Margaret Giles Umberg, wife of Norman Umberg of Montreal, Que- 
bec. 

Dorothy Alice Silver Usher, wife of Peter Joseph Usher of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Joseph Hilderic Albert Joffre Vachon of Montreal, Quebec, husband of 
Marie Rachel Rollande Albina Mathieu Vachon. 

Raymonde Mongeau Vachon, wife of Andre Vachon of Montreal, Quebec. 

Susan Guttmann Van Den Bergh, wife of Louis Nico Van Den Bergh of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Maurice Varin of Montreal North, Quebec, husband of Pierrette Gariepy 
Varin. 

Carole Grace Kathleen Campbell (Vance) Vassilieff, wife of William 
(Vance) Vassilieff of St. Basile le Grand, Quebec. 

Panagiotis Vekos of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Tassia Pallicaris Vekos. 

Andre Vermette of Longueuil, Quebec, husband of France Richard Ver- 
mette. 

Henri Verrier of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Andrea Burns Verrier. 

Marie-Jeanne Pare Vezeau, wife of Joseph Vezeau of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Celine Therese Courteau Vezina, wife of Jean-Louis Vezina of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Donna Maureen Croteau Vincent, wife of Real Vincent of Longueuil, 
Quebec. 

Eleanor Rose Eadie Vincent, wife of Henry George Vincent of Ville St. 
Michel, Quebec. 

Helen Lycas Vipond, wife of John D. Vipond of Lachine, Quebec. 

Horst Wolfgang Vogel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Traute Anneliese 
Schoening Vogel. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 335 

Murray Hutchison Walker of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Margaret Helen 
Winona Churchill Walker. 

Constance Lacireno Walsh, wife of John Michael Walsh of Verdun, Quebec. 

Alice Candide Sullivan Ward, wife of David Ward of Montreal, Quebec. 

Ruth Marie Victorine Entwistle Weil-Brenner, wife of Paul Weil-Brenner 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Inge Moeller Weinhandl, wife of John Weinhandl of Dorval, Quebec. 

Dorothy Ann Derick Weir, wife of Duncan Roland St. John Weir of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Michel Weissberger of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Therese Tatiana 
Krivoutz Weissberger. 

Alexandra May Westover, wife of Gerald Sydney Westover of Austin, 
Quebec. 

Adele Marie Forscelle White, wife of Thomas Joseph White of Noranda, 
Quebec. 

Stanley Frank White of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Dawn Elaine Wankel 
White. 

Jeannine Thauvoye Wiame, wife of Jan Paul Wiame of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia June Graydon Wiens, wife of Henry Wiens of Fabreville, Quebec. 

John Harold Williams of Ormstown, Quebec, husband of Beatrice Dorothy 
Brohman Williams. 

Dorothy St. Clair Kane Wilson, wife of Reginald Thomas Wilson of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Charlie (Fong) (Hong) Wing of Bell Island, Newfoundland, husband of 
Mak Yin Kwan (Hong) Wing. 

Joan Margaret Gooch Wise, wife of Nicholas Edmund Michael Wise of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Bernice Marion Thayer Wood, wife of Ross Douglas Wood of Rosemere, 
Quebec. 

Cyril Edward Wood of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Brenda Doreen 
Fisher Wood. 

Elizabeth Anne Walford Wood, wife of Douglas Hastings Wood of St. 
Hubert, Quebec. 

Sheila Cohen Wright, wife of Donald Wright of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jeannette Dorothy Saysell Wright, wife of Alan Richard Wright of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Jean Zalloni of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Huguette Lamarche Zalloni. 

Eveline Beck Zimmerman, wife of Michael Zimmerman of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Rhoda Prosterman Zoberman, wife of Irving Zoberman of Cote St. Luc, 
Quebec. 

Patricia McKernan Hilton, wife of Brian Hilton of Montreal, Quebec. 

William Robert Galley of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Shelley Elizabeth 
Parsons Galley. 

Gerald William Henderson of Bristol, Quebec, husband of Eileen Elizabeth 
Laframboise Henderson. 

Lily (Laura) Anita Stubina Karbelnik, wife of Louis Edward Karbelnik 
of Montreal, Quebec. 



336 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Martin Simeon Levy of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Inge Hansen Larsen 
Levy. 

Margaret Kathleen McCullough Lister, wife of Walter Charles William 
Lister of Pointe Claire, Quebec. 

May Margaret Rodgers Morelli, wife of Nicholas Morelli of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Judith Joy Shier Spector, wife of Burton Spector of Montreal, Quebec. 

Franz Zeitlhofer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Theresia Maria Summerer 
Zeitlhofer. 

Gwendolyn Grace Parsons Lanctot, wife of Pierre Lanctot of the Town of 
Mount Royal, Quebec. 



Thirteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, filed after June 27th, 1963, and presented by Mr. Rouleau on July 
30th meets the requirements of Standing Order 70. However, this petition 
was not filed within the time limit specified by Standing Order 93: 

Developpement Central Ville-de-L'Isle Inc., for an Act authorizing the 
construction of a toll bridge on the St. Lawrence River, linking the City of 
Pointe-aux-Trembles to Ile-aux-Asperges and a causeway linking Ile-aux- 
Asperges to Isle Ste-Therese. 



Fourteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of 
the following for divorce Acts, filed after June 27th, 1963, and presented 
on July 30th by Mr. Wahn, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Laurier Allain of Verdun, Quebec, husband of Mildred Butler Allain. 

Magella Rheaume Bergeron, wife of Laureat Bergeron of Montreal, Quebec. 

Michele Favreau Breuer, wife of Claude Luc Breuer of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Henriette Antoinette Marguerite Bloodworth Csurgay Pringle, wife 
of Bruce Welsh Pringle of Montreal, Quebec. 



By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Eleventh Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners for divorce Acts have complied with the requirements 
of Standing Order 96: 

Margaret Ellynore MacDougall Abbott, wife of Ernest Ketson Abbott of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Carmen Lister Abrams, wife of Theodore Martin Abrams of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Agnes Blumenthal Agai, wife of Nicolas Agai of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Ann Marguerite Christie Allaway, wife of Russell Edward Allaway 
of Lachine, Quebec. 

John Andre Anderson of St. Leonard-de-Port-Maurice, Quebec, husband 
of Elizabeth Augusta Margaretha Jarschel Anderson. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 337 

Anne Marie Perrozzino Asselin, wife of Roger Asselin of St-Martin, Quebec. 

Donald Beakes of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Pauline Houle Beakes. 

Marie Jeanne Dumont Beaulieu, wife of J. E. Roger Bernard Beaulieu of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Percy Beauvais of St. Laurent, Quebec, husband of Mary Letitia McKenzie 
Beauvais. 

Guy Bertrand of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of Fabiola Mathurin Ber- 
trand. 

Claire Detwiler Bradford, wife of Elwood Joseph Bradford of Beaconsfield, 
Quebec. 

Aurella Lapikas Breard, wife of Jean Breard of Montreal, Quebec. 

Shirley Anderson Brimacombe, wife of Irving Brimacombe of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Alexander Burke of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Emerentienne St-Pierre 
Burke. 

Francoise Hebert Campion, wife of Kenneth Rea Campion of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Daniel Gaston Jules Caron of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Yolande 
Fouquart Caron. 

William James Coade of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marguerite Forget 
Coade. 

Margot Scott Bradley Connor, wife of David James Connor of Town of 
Mount Royal, Quebec. 

Ann Marie Thibeau Cooke, wife of Kevin Patrick Cooke of the Province 
of Newfoundland. 

Philip Dalgleish of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Rosemarie Bonn Dal- 
gleish. 

Lucien DeCoeur of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rachel Belanger DeCoeur. 

Doreen Dreyer Kane Eastwood, wife of Bruce David Eastwood of Lachine, 
Quebec. 

Jacques Ekaireb of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Eva Staszower Ekaireb. 

Margaret Elaine Arthur Gallagher, wife of Raymond Hugh Gallagher of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Rosaire Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Diane Auclair Gauthier. 

Gerald William Henderson of Bristol, Quebec, husband of Eileen Elizabeth 
Laframboise Henderson. 

Franklin Dale Hufford of Chomedy, Quebec, husband of Geraldine Anne 
Milner Hufford. 

Ion Ignatescu of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Saveta Palagian Ignatescu. 

Marie Joan Patricia Romano Jeffries, wife of Joseph William Jeffries of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Lily (Laura) Anita Stubina Karbelnik, wife of Louis Edward Karbelnik 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anita Guido Lorencin Knezevic, wife of Zoran Mitar Knezevic of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

John Joseph Laflamme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Anne Marie 
Schoenwandt Laflamme. 

Teresa Botulynska Lesiuk, wife of Julian Roman Lesiuk of the Province 
of Quebec. 

Celia Mucznik Lesnik, wife of Borys Lesnik of Montreal, Quebec. 



338 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Margaret Kathleen McCullough Lister, wife of Walter Charles William 
Lister of Pointe-Claire, Quebec. 

Frances Feldman Lyman, wife of Harvey Lyman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Edward Sidney Mansfield of Bois de Filion, Quebec, husband of Dorothea 
Lyon Innes Mansfield. 

Leo-Rene Maranda of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Renee Haineault 
Maranda. 

Carroll Lynne Cavey Milette, wife of Jean Pierre Milette of Pointe-Claire, 
Quebec. 

Evelyne Paquette Millette, wife of Andre Millette of Verdun, Quebec. 

Leslie Thomas Norval Modler of Cartierville, Quebec, husband of Nina 
Naomi March Modler. 

Harold Moreau of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Dragon Moreau. 

May Margaret Rodgers Morelli, wife of Nicholas Morelli of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lajos (Louis) Nagy of Lachine, Quebec, husband of Ilonka Hajnal Nagy. 

Paul Orlivsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Regina Depenbusch 
Orlivsky. 

Helen Minkoff Oulton, wife of Carl Oulton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Mary Graham Pearson, wife of Richard Hammond Pearson of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

John Matthew Hardman Pickford of Sherbrooke, Quebec, husband of 
Phyllis Wright Pickford. 

Georgine Jun Plzak, wife of Bohumil Plzak of Sutton, Quebec. 

Jacqueline Henriette Demelin Pujol, wife of Vincent Joseph Pujol of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Susanne Markovits Reiner, wife of Charles Reiner of Montreal, Quebec. 

Jean Alice Beswick Rinder, wife of Leonard Rinder of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marcelle Guedj Rosenberg, wife of Salomon Rosenberg of the Province of 
Quebec. 

Rebecca Rafalkes Rosenstrauss, wife of Eisig Rosenstrauss of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Helen Beverley Johnson Sabo, wife of Stephen Sabo of St. Laurent, Quebec. 

Kathleen Stokes Sangster, wife of John Sangster of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joseph Maurice Sealy of Ville Jacques-Cartier, Quebec, husband of Clara 
Allan Godding Sealy. 

Ivy Elizabeth Jacques Sherry, wife of Henry Edward Sherry of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Phyllis White Siev, wife of Geoffrey Marshall Siev of Montreal, Quebec. 

Patricia Ann Nind Small, wife of Leonard Edward George Small of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Ruby Rita Williams Smith, wife of John Michael Smith of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Myrtle Alice Carr Southwood, wife of Harold Thomas Southwood of the 
Province of Quebec. 

Judith Joy Shier Spector, wife of Burton Spector of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sylvia Bertha Schneider Spires, wife of John Joseph Spires of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Bertha Bromirska Staruch, wife of John Staruch of Montreal, Quebec. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 31st JULY 339 

Elizabeth Angela McMenamin Stirling, wife of Alexander Stirling of Dorval, 
Quebec. 

Adele Kathleen Paquin Strachan, wife of Kenneth Alexander Strachan 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anna Elizabeth Bovingdon Strickland, wife of Edward John Strickland of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Hyman Omri Tannenbaum of Baie d'Urfe, Quebec, husband of Elsie Sarah 
Kirouac Tannenbaum. 

Marketa Langer Tata, wife of Saam Tata of Montreal, Quebec. 

Glen Stewart Small Tornay, wife of Edgar Tornay of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doris Irene Moss Trerice, wife of Nelson Webster Trerice of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Irene Horianska Tyminski, wife of Tadeusz Tyminski of Montreal, Quebec. 

Stasys Vysniauskas of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Zenta Bertulaite 
Vysniauskas. 

Linnea Erna Barbara Gussow Walker, wife of Henry Normand Walker of 
Baie d'Urfe, Quebec. 

Mary Catherine Mullins Weatherby, wife of Martin Weir Weatherby of 
Verdun, Quebec. 

Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Erna 
Margot Szlata Willis. 

Helena Jadwiga Igiel Vel Frankel Wodnicki, wife of Stanislaw Wodnicki of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Franz Zeitlhofer of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Theresia Maria Sum- 
merer Zeitlhofer. 

Rachela Landau Zimber, wife of Leo Zimber of Montreal, Quebec. 

Mary Sheppard Gallagher, wife of Thomas Joseph Gallagher of St. John's, 
Newfoundland. 

Gwendolyn Grace Parsons Lanctot, wife of Pierre Lanctot of the Town of 
Mount Royal, Quebec. 



By unanimous consent, at 6.12 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 1st AUGUST 341 

No. 55 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 1st AUGUST, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Speaker laid before the House, — Report from the Joint Committee of 
both Houses on the Library of Parliament with respect to certain appointments, 
promotions, reclassifications, and alterations in rates of pay of employees of the 
Library of Parliament. (English and French). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House is 
desired: 

Bill S-35, An Act respecting The Crown Life Insurance Company. — Mr. 
Addison. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time pursuant to 
Standing Order 103(2). 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Addison, seconded by Mr. Badanai, 
the said bill was ordered for a second reading during the hour for Private 
Members' Business later this day. 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Eighth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following Bills and has agreed to report 
them without amendment: 

Bill SD-51, An Act for the relief of Angus Mcintosh. 

Bill SD-52, An Act for the relief of Claude Gerard Montpetit. 



342 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Bill SD-53, An Act for the relief of Maureen Carol MeAlinden. 

Bill SD-54, An Act for the relief of Vera Irene MacKenzie. 

Bill SD-55, An Act for the relief of Ann Marguerite MacDonald. 

Bill SD-56, An Act for the relief of Sybil Lillian Lupovich. 

Bill SD-57, An Act for the relief of Minnie Lichtenstein. 

Bill SD-58, An Act for the relief of Jean Bernard L'Heureux. 

Bill SD-59, An Act for the relief of Margaret Ada Lewis. 

Bill SD-60, An Act for the relief of Violet Pearl St. James Lemoine. 

Bill SD-61, An Act for the relief of Mildred Kligman. 

Bill SD-62, An Act for the relief of Zelda Barbara Kimberg. 

Bill SD-63, An Act for the relief of Margaret Anna Kenwood. 

Bill SD-64, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Kallweit. 

Bill SD-65, An Act for the relief of Philippe LeBeau. 

Bill SD-66, An Act for the relief of Joyce Irene Larocque. 

Bill SD-67, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Anna Kotania. 

Bill SD-68, An Act for the relief of Marie Celine Pierrette Lapointe. 

Bill SD-69, An Act for the relief of Shirley Sarah James. 

Bill SD-70, An Act for the relief of Lena Quelle. 

Bill SD-71, An Act for the relief of Charles Harold Page. 

Bill SD-72, An Act for the relief of Rosa Jacobson. 

Bill SD-73, An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Marguerite Alia way. 

Bill SD-74, An Act for the relief of Marylin Jean Alie. 

Bill SD-75, An Act for the relief of Juliana Magdelene Ashley. 

Bill SD-76, An Act for the relief of Alphonse Audet. 

Bill SD-77, An Act for the relief of Denise Bachelder. 

Bill SD-78, An Act for the relief of Alma Ivy Bankley. 

Bill SD-79, An Act for the relief of Edouard Joseph Armand Baril. 

Bill SD-80, An Act for the relief of Therese Beaulieu. 

Bill SD-81, An Act for the relief of Jeannie Belchik. 

Bill SD-82, An Act for the relief of John Faucher. 

Bill SD-83, An Act for the relief of Ruth Ilona Elkin. 

Bill SD-84, An Act for the relief of Hazel Durocher. 

Bill SD-85, An Act for the relief of Jean Helen Donnan. 

Bill SD-86, An Act for the relief of Margaret Joan Digby. 

Bill SD-87, An Act for the relief of Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle. 

Bill SD-88, An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

Bill SD-89, An Act for the relief of Pamela Blair. 

Bill SD-90, An Act for the relief of Kenneth Allen Blight. 

Bill SD-91, An Act for the relief of Marie Yvonne Lucie Godard. 

Bill SD-92, An Act for the relief of Marie Augustine Jeannette Gibbs. 

Bill SD-93, An Act for the relief of Nicole Marie Geoffroy. 

Bill SD-94, An Act for the relief of Susan Gabor. 

Bill SD-95, An Act for the relief of Alexandra Daliyannakis. 

Bill SD-96, An Act for the relief of Joseph Fortin Decelles. 

Bill SD-97, An Act for the relief of Josephine Mary Croll. 

Bill SD-98, An Act for the relief of Anita Cleri. 

Bill SD-99, An Act for the relief of Alice Elizabeth Clarke. 



A.D. 1963 


r 


DHU 


RSDAY, 1 


Bill 


SD-100, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-101, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-102, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-103, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-104, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-105, 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-106, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-107, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-108, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-109, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


as Betty Naimo. 








Bill 


SD-110, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-111, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-112, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-113, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-114, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-115, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-116, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-117, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-118, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-119, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-120, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-121, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-122, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-123, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-124, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Ramsden 


L. 








Bill 


SD-125, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-126, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-127, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-128, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-129, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-130, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-131, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-132, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-133, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-134, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-135, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-136, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-137, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-138, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-139, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-140, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-141, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-142, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-143, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


28904-1—23 









st AUGUST 343 

of Judith Elizabeth Caron. 

of Collin Mills Campbell. 

of Lorraine Burt. 

of Linda Alice Burrows. 

of Gerhard Hermann Buchholz. 

of Wilma Gloria Bryson. 

of Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier. 

of Clara Edith Papp. 

of Frances Cynthia Nevitt. 

of Betty Naimovitch, otherwise known 

of Elsa Munch. 

of Mildred Dawson Meakins. 

of Margaret Rose McDuff. 

of Vickie Marks. 

of John Elijah Marshalluk. 

of Jean Letovsky. 

of Lee Leopold. 

of Guy Lefebvre. 

of Kate Gillman. 

of Margarete Gerda Ruhnau. 

of Catherine Ferasimos Andrulakis. 

of John Joseph Huitson. 

of Suzi Elizabeth Perry. 

of Vivian Geoffrey Power. 

of Gordon Richard Alexander 

of Gertrude Lindener. 

of Marie Aline Martine France. 

of Shirley Margaret Woolley. 

of James Richard Williamson. 

of Isadore Titleman. 

of Lloyd James Simpson. 

of Lily (Lillian) Shapiro. 

of Blima (Wendy) Shapiro. 

of Marie Theresa Sckyra. 

of Anne Marion Prentice. 

of Patricia Marjorie Maisonet. 

of Jennie Zajko. 

of Pawel Olejnik. 

of Millicent Vera Seagrove. 

of Patricia Sabetta. 

of Isadore Rosenblatt. 

of Calvin Harold Robinson. 

of Real Richard. 

of Louisa Emily Elizabeth Porter. 



344 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



12 ELIZABETH II 



Bill SD- 


144 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


145 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


146 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


147 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


148 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


149 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


150 


An Act for the relief 


Bill SD- 


151 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


152 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


153 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


154 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


155 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


156 


, An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


157 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


158 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


159 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


160 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


161 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


162 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


163 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


164 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


165 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


166 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


167 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


168 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


169 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


170 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


171 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


172 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


173 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


174 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


175 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


176 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


177 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


178 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


179 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


180 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


181 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


182 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


183 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


184 


, An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD- 


185 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


186 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


187 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


188 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


189 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


190 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 



of Eva Florence Plaskett. 

of Madge Estelle Pinkerton. 

of Allan Barry Phillips. 

of Paul Parizeau. 

of Jean Elizabeth O'Reilly. 

of Josephine Rose Nawrocki. 

of Valerie Jean Morton. 

of Franklin Dale Hufford. 

of Carroll Lynne Milette. 

of Evelyne Millette. 

of Leo Rene Maranda. 

of Edward Sidney Mansfield. 

of Elizabeth Angela Stirling. 

of Patricia Ann Small. 

of Jeanette Rosenberg. 

of Phyllis Siev. 

of Joseph Maurice Sealy. 

of Helena Jadwiga Igiel Wodnicki. 

of Amira Wilson. 

of Hyman Omri Tannenbaum. 

of Doris Irene Trerice. 

of Glen Stewart Tornay. 

of Audrey Barbara Sutton. 

of Adele Kathleen Strachan. 

of Bertha Staruch. 

of Mihaly Szakacs. 

of Doreen Dreyer Eastwood. 

of Jacques Ekaireb. 

of Rosaire Gauthier. 

of Gertraud Holzer. 

of Marie Joan Patricia Jeffries. 

of Anita Guido Knezevic. 

of Celia Lesnik. 

of Joan Mary Pearson. 

of Georgine Plzak. 

of Marcelle Rosenberg. 

of Helen Beverley Sabo. 

of Ruby Rita Smith. 

of Marketa Tata. 

of Ellen Smolar. 

of Carmen Abrams. 

of Margaret Ellynore Abbott. 

of John Andre Anderson. 

of Anne Marie Asselin. 

of Percy Beauvais. 

of Shirley Brimacombe. 

of James Coade. 



A.D. 1963 



THURSDAY, 1st AUGUST 



Bill 


SD-191, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-192, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-193, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-194, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-195, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-196, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-197, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-198, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-199, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-200 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-201, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD-202 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-203, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-204 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-205 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-206 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-207 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-208 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-209 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-210 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-211, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-212 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-213 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-214 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-215 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-216 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-217 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-218 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-219 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-220 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-221 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Louis Nagy. 










Bill 


SD-222 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-223 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-224 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD-225 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-226 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-227 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-228 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-229 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-230 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-231 


, An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-232 


, An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-233 


, An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-234 


, An Act 


for 


the 


relief 



Marguerite Bloodworth Pringle. 
Bill SD-235, An Act for the 
28904-1— 23J 



of Ann Marie Cooke. 

of Kathleen Sangster. 

of Margot Scott Connor. 

of Stasys Vysniauskas. 

of Francoise Campion. 

of Claire Bradford. 

of Sylvia Evelyn Lyon. 

of Gerald William Henderson. 

of May Margaret Morelli. 

of Franz Zeitlhofer. 

of Lily (Laura) Anita Karbelnik. 

of John Matthew Hardman Pickford. 

of Jean Alice Rinder. 

of Donald Beakes. 

of Guy Bertrand. 

of Lloyd Carlton Willard. 

of Francis John Nobbs. 

of Marie Jacqueline Dusablon. 

of Helen Oulton. 

of Gwendolyn Grace Lanctot. 

of Margaret Kathleen Lister. 

of Judith Joy Spector. 

of Myrtle Alice Southwood. 

of Teresa Lesiuk. 

of Ion Ignatescu. 

of Mary Gallagher. 

of Mary Catherine Weatherby. 

of Linnea Erna Barbara Walker. 

of Rhoda Lipschutz. 

of Leslie Thomas Norval Modler. 

of Lajos Nagy, otherwise known as 

of Paul Orlivsky. 

of Marie Jeanne Beaulieu. 

of Rachela Zimber. 

of Jacqueline Henrietta Pujol. 

of Rebecca Rosenstrauss. 

of Irene Tyminski. 

of Frances Lyman. 

of Andre Durocher. 

of Anna Elizabeth Strickland. 

of Michele Breuer. 

of Magella Bergeron. 

of Lucien DeCoeur. 

of Marie Henriette Antoinette 



relief of John Joseph Laflamme. 



346 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Bill SD-236, An Act for the relief of Elaine Trottier. 

Bill SD-237, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Bertha Spires. 

Bill SD-238, An Act for the relief of Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis. 

Bill SD-239, An Act for the relief of Ivy Elizabeth Sherry. 

Bill SD-240, An Act for the relief of Susanne Reiner. 

Bill SD-241, An Act for the relief of Elaine Redmond. 

Bill SD-242, An Act for the relief of Paul Emile Niquette. 

Bill SD-243, An Act for the relief of Robert Fernand Marcoux. 

Bill SD-244, An Act for the relief of Harold Moreau. 

Bill SD-245, An Act for the relief of Philip Dalgleish. 

Bill SD-246, An Act for the relief of Daniel Gaston Jules Caron. 

Bill SD-247, An Act for the relief of Alexander Burke. 

Bill SD-248, An Act for the relief of Aurella Breard. 

Bill SD-249, An Act for the relief of Laurier Allain. 

Bill SD-250, An Act for the relief of Agnes Agai. 

Bill SD-251, An Act for the relief of David Filmore Sadler. 

Your Committee returns herewith the evidence and papers transmitted by 
the Senate to this House in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Rox- 
burgh, it was ordered that the foregoing bills be placed on today's Order Paper 
for consideration in Committee of the Whole later this day. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Marcoux be substituted for that of Mr. Patterson on the 
Special Committee on Food and Drugs. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Winkler for Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. 
MacEwan, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-93, An Act authorizing the 
Senate of Canada to Dissolve or Annul Marriages, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading during the Private Members' Hour later this 
day as the first item of business. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole, at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Currency, Mint 
and Exchange Fund Act to authorize the Minister of Finance to purchase out 
of the Exchange Fund Account maintained under the Act, securities of the 
International Monetary Fund. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of an Economic Council 
of Canada, was again considered in Committee of the Whole, reported with 
amendments, and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 1st AUGUST 347 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the evening sitting of the 
House be resumed at 7 o'clock p.m. 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

Pursuant to Special Order made this day, Mr. Winkler for Mr. Mandziuk, 
seconded by Mr. Bell, moved, — That Bill C-93, An Act authorizing the Senate 
of Canada to Dissolve or Annul Marriages, be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 

(Private Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Walker, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now 
leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee of the Whole on Private 
Bills (pursuant to Standing Order 54(1)); which was agreed to. 

The following bills were considered in Committee of the Whole, reported 
without amendment, read the third time, on division, and passed: 

Bill SD-1, An Act for the relief of Margaret Catherine Smith. 

Bill SD-2, An Act for the relief of Gladys Noreen Monette. 

Bill SD-3, An Act for the relief of Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie. 

Bill SD-4, An Act for the relief of Nicholas Cimbru Chambers. 

Bill SD-6, An Act for the relief of Suzanne Chasse. 

Bill SD-7, An Act for the relief of Esther Wertheimer. 

Bill SD-8, An Act for the relief of Lygery Varverikos. 

Bill SD-9, An Act for the relief of Frank Hamilton Mingie, junior. 

Bill SD-10, An Act for the relief of Rosemary Beatrice Clare. 

Bill SD-11, An Act for the relief of Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette 
Champagne. 

Bill SD-12, An Act for the relief of Klara Brody. 

Bill SD-13, An Act for the relief of Bernice Bordensky. 

Bill SD-14, An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Belanger. 

Bill SD-15, An Act for the relief of Christina Aube. 

Bill SD-1 6, An Act for the relief of Brigitte Dophide. 

Bill SD-1 7, An Act for the relief of Anita Margaret d'Esterre. 

Bill SD-18, An Act for the relief of Gladys Jean Desjardins. 

Bill SD-1 9, An Act for the relief of Sylvia Dankner. 

Bill SD-20, An Act for the relief of Florence Patricia Da Silva. 

Bill SD-21, An Act for the relief of Judith MacBeth Cuggy. 

Bill SD-22, An Act for the relief of Giuseppe de Cristoforo. 



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Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
as Allan 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 
Bill 



SD-23 
SD-24 
SD-25 
SD-26 
SD-27 
SD-28 
SD-29 



Herscovitch 



SD-30 
SD-31 
SD-32 
SD-33 
SD-34 
SD-35 
SD-36 
SD-37 
SD-38 
SD-39 
SD-40 
SD-41 
SD-42 
SD-43 
SD-44 
SD-45 
SD-46 
SD-47 
SD-48 
SD-49 
SD-50 
SD-51 
SD-52 
SD-53 
SD-54 
SD-55 
SD-56 
SD-57 
SD-58 
SD-59 
SD-60 
SD-61 
SD-62 
SD-63 
SD-64 
SD-65 
SD-66 
SD-67 
SD-68 



An Act for the relief of Beverley Hayden Crerar. 

An Act for the relief of Paulyne Leblanc. 

An Act for the relief of Gabriela Kiwitt. 

An Act for the relief of Dorothea Margaret Kay. 

An Act for the relief of Wilma Karls. 

An Act for the relief of Felix Hollinger. 

An Act for the relief of Abie Herscovitch, otherwise known 



An Act for the relief of Doris Sibyl Jane Hassall. 

An Act for the relief of Ezreh Harry Herscovitch. 

An Act for the relief of Robert Fleischer. 

An Act for the relief of William Rankin Edmondson. 

An Act for the relief of Leonard Emond. 

An Act for the relief of Dorothy Irene Marjorie Adams. 

An Act for the relief of Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki. 

An Act for the relief of Harry Hyman. 

An Act for the relief of Nadia-Anne Hruszij. 

An Act for the relief of Christine Johnson. 

An Act for the relief of Arlene June Kaczur. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Teresa Hough. 

An Act for the relief of Bernard Hebert. 

An Act for the relief of Catherine Harper. 

An Act for the relief of Wilhelmina Grundy. 

An Act for the relief of Edith Diana Greenberg. 

An Act for the relief of Catherine Mildred Gray. 

An Act for the relief of Nancy Ruth Grabina. 

An Act for the relief of Lucille Goresky. 

An Act for the relief of Constance Valerie Laurie. 

An Act for the relief of Ellen Chase McKellar. 

An Act for the relief of Angus Mcintosh. 

An Act for the relief of Claude Gerard Montpetit. 

An Act for the relief of Maureen Carol McAlinden. 

An Act for the relief of Vera Irene MacKenzie. 

An Act for the relief of Ann Marguerite MacDonald. 

An Act for the relief of Sybil Lillian Lupovich. 

An Act for the relief of Minnie Lichtenstein. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Bernard L'Heureux. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Ada Lewis. 

An Act for the relief of Violet Pearl St. James Lemoine. 

An Act for the relief of Mildred Kligman. 

An Act for the relief of Zelda Barbara Kimberg. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Anna Kenwood. 

An Act for the relief of Madeleine Kallweit. 

An Act for the relief of Philippe LeBeau. 

An Act for the relief of Joyce Irene Larocque. 

An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Anna Kotania. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Celine Pierrette Lapointe. 



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Bill SD-69, An Act for the relief of Shirley Sarah James. 
Bill SD-70, An Act for the relief of Lena Quelle. 
Bill SD-71, An Act for the relief of Charles Harold Page. 
Bill SD-72, An Act for the relief of Rosa Jacobson. 
Bill SD-73, An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Marguerite Allaway. 
Bill SD-74, An Act for the relief of Marylin Jean Alie. 
Bill SD-75, An Act for the relief of Juliana Magdelene Ashley. 
Bill SD-76, An Act for the relief of Alphonse Audet. 
Bill SD-77, An Act for the relief of Denise Bachelder. 
Bill SD-78, An Act for the relief of Alma Ivy Bankley. 
Bill SD-79, An Act for the relief of Edouard Joseph Armand Baril. 
Bill SD-80, An Act for the relief of Therese Beaulieu. 
Bill SD-81, An Act for the relief of Jeannie Belchik. 
Bill SD-82, An Act for the relief of John Faucher. 
Bill SD-83, An Act for the relief of Ruth Ilona Elkin. 
Bill SD-84, An Act for the relief of Hazel Durocher. 
Bill SD-85, An Act for the relief of Jean Helen Donnan. 
Bill SD-86, An Act for the relief of Margaret Joan Digby. 
Bill SD-87, An Act for the relief of Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle. 
Bill SD-88, An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 
Bill SD-89, An Act for the relief of Pamela Blair. 
Bill SD-90, An Act for the relief of Kenneth Allen Blight. 
Bill SD-91, An Act for the relief of Marie Yvonne Lucie Godard. 
Bill SD-92, An Act for the relief of Marie Augustine Jeannette Gibbs. 
Bill SD-93, An Act for the relief of Nicole Marie Geoffroy. 
Bill SD-94, An Act for the relief of Susan Gabor. 
Bill SD-95, An Act for the relief of Alexandra Daliyannakis. 
Bill SD-96, An Act for the relief of Joseph Fortin Decelles. 
Bill SD-97, An Act for the relief of Josephine Mary Croll. 
Bill SD-98, An Act for the relief of Anita Cleri. 
Bill SD-99, An Act for the relief of Alice Elizabeth Clarke. 
Bill SD-100, An Act for the relief of Judith Elizabeth Caron. 
Bill SD-101, An Act for the relief of Collin Mills Campbell. 
Bill SD-102, An Act for the relief of Lorraine Burt. 
Bill SD-103, An Act for the relief of Linda Alice Burrows. 
Bill SD-104, An Act for the relief of Gerhard Hermann Buchholz. 
Bill SD-105, An Act for the relief of Wilma Gloria Bryson. 
Bill SD-106, An Act for the relief of Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier. 
Bill SD-107, An Act for the relief of Clara Edith Papp. 
Bill SD-108, An Act for the relief of Frances Cynthia Nevitt. 
Bill SD-109, An Act for the relief of Betty Naimovitch, otherwise known 
as Betty Naimo. 

Bill SD-110, An Act for the relief of Elsa Munch. 

Bill SD-111, An Act for the relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins. 

Bill SD-112, An Act for the relief of Margaret Rose McDuff. 

Bill SD-113, An Act for the relief of Vickie Marks. 

Bill SD-114, An Act for the relief of John Elijah Marshalluk. 



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Bill SD- 


115 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


116 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


117, 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


118, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


119 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


120, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


121 


An Act for the relief 


Bill SD- 


122, 


An Act 


for the relief 


Bill SD- 


123 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 
sden. 


124 


An Act 


for the relief 


Bill SD- 


125 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


126 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


127 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


128 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


129 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill SD- 


130 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


131 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


132 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


133 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


134 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


135 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


136 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


137 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


138 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD- 


139 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


140 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


141 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


142 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


143 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


144 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


145 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


146 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


147 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


148 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


149 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


150 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


151 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


152 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


153 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


154 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


155 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


156 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


157 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


158 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


159 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD- 


160 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 



of Jean Letovsky. 

of Lee Leopold. 

of Guy Lefebvre. 

of Kate Gillman. 

of Margarete Gerda Ruhnau. 

of Catherine Ferasimos Andrulakis. 

of John Joseph Huitson. 

of Suzi Elizabeth Perry. 

of Vivian Geoffrey Power. 

of Gordon Richard Alexander 

of Gertrude Lindener. 

of Marie Aline Martine France. 

of Shirley Margaret Woolley. 

of James Richard Williamson. 

of Isadore Titleman. 

of Lloyd James Simpson. 

of Lily (Lillian) Shapiro. 

of Blima (Wendy) Shapiro. 

of Marie Theresa Sckyra. 

of Anne Marion Prentice. 

of Patricia Marjorie Maisonet. 

of Jennie Zajko. 

of Pawel Olejnik. 

of Millicent Vera Seagrove. 

of Patricia Sabetta. 

of Isadore Rosenblatt. 

of Calvin Harold Robinson. 

of Real Richard. 

of Louisa Emily Elizabeth Porter. 

of Eva Florence Plaskett. 

of Madge Estelle Pinkerton. 

of Allan Barry Phillips. 

of Paul Parizeau. 

of Jean Elizabeth O'Reilly. 

of Josephine Rose Nawrocki. 

of Valerie Jean Morton. 

of Franklin Dale Hurford. 

of Carroll Lynne Milette. 

of Evelyne Millette. 

of Leo Rene Maranda. 

of Edward Sidney Mansfield. 

of Elizabeth Angela Stirling. 

of Patricia Ann Small. 

of Jeanette Rosenberg. 

of Phyllis Siev. 

of Joseph Maurice Sealy. 



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Bill 


SD-161 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-162 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-163 


An 


Act 


for the relief 


Bill 


SD-164 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-165 


An 


Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-166 


An Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-167 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-168 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-169 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-170 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-171 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-172 


An 


Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-173 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-174 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-175 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-176 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-177 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-173 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill SD-179 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill SD-180 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-181 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-182 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-183 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-184 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-185 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill- 


SD-186 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-187 


An 


Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-188 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-189 


An Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-190, 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-191 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-192, 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-193 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-194 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-195 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-196 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-197 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-198 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-199 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-200 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-201, 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-202 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-203 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-204 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-205 


An 


Act 


for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-206 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-207 


An 


Act 


for 


the 


relief 


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of Helena Jadwiga Igiel Wodnicki. 

of Amira Wilson. 

of Hyman Omri Tannenbaum. 

of Doris Irene Trerice. 

of Glen Stewart Tornay. 

of Audrey Barbara Sutton. 

of Adele Kathleen Strachan. 

of Bertha Staruch. 

of Mihaly Szakacs. 

of Doreen Dreyer Eastwood. 

of Jacques Ekaireb. 

of Rosaire Gauthier. 

of Gertraud Holzer. 

of Marie Joan Patricia Jeffries. 

of Anita Guido Knezevic. 

of Celia Lesnik. 

of Joan Mary Pearson. 

of Georgine Plzak. 

of Marcelle Rosenberg. 

of Helen Beverley Sabo. 

of Ruby Rita Smith. 

of Marketa Tata. 

of Ellen Smolar. 

of Carmen Abrams. 

of Margaret Ellynore Abbott. 

of John Andre Anderson. 

of Anne Marie Asselin. 

of Percy Beauvais. 

of Shirley Brimacombe. 

of James Coade. 

of Ann Marie Cooke. 

of Kathleen Sangster. 

of Margot Scott Connor. 

of Stasys Vysniauskas. 

of Francoise Campion. 

of Claire Bradford. 

of Sylvia Evelyn Lyon. 

of Gerald William Henderson. 

of May Margaret Morelli. 

of Franz Zeitlhofer. 

of Lily (Laura) Anita Karbelnik. 

of John Matthew Hardman Pickford. 

of Jean Alice Rinder. 

of Donald Beakes. 

of Guy Bertrand. 

of Lloyd Carlton Willard. 

of Francis John Nobbs. 



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Bill 


SD-208, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill SD-209, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-210, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-211, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill SD-212, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-213, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-214, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-215, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-216, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-217, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-218, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-219, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-220, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-221, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Louis Nagy. 






Bill 


SD-222, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-223, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-224, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-225, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-226, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-227, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-228, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-229, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-230, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-231, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-232, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-233, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-234, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Marguerite Bloodworth Pringle. 




Bill 


SD-235, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill SD-236, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-237, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-238, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-239, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-240, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-241, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-242, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-243, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-244, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-245, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-246, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-247, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-248, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-249, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-250, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-251, 


An Act for the 


relief 



of Marie Jacqueline Dusablon. 

of Helen Oulton. 

of Gwendolyn Grace Lanctot. 

of Margaret Kathleen Lister. 

of Judith Joy Spector. 

of Myrtle Alice Southwood. 

of Teresa Lesiuk. 

of Ion Ignatescu. 

of Mary Gallagher. 

of Mary Catherine Weatherby. 

of Linnea Erna Barbara Walker. 

of Rhoda Lipschutz. 

of Leslie Thomas Norval Modler. 

of Lajos Nagy, otherwise known as 

of Paul Orlivsky. 

of Marie Jeanne Beaulieu. 

of Rachela Zimber. 

of Jacqueline Henrietta Pujol. 

of Rebecca Rosenstrauss. 

of Irene Tyminski. 

of Frances Lyman. 

of Andre Durocher. 

of Anna Elizabeth Strickland. 

of Michele Breuer. 

of Magella Bergeron. 

of Lucien DeCoeur. 

of Marie Henriette Antoinette 

of John Joseph Laflamme. 

of Elaine Trottier. 

of Sylvia Bertha Spires. 

of Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis. 

of Ivy Elizabeth Sherry. 

of Susanne Reiner. 

of Elaine Redmond. 

of Paul Emile Niquette. 

of Robert Fernand Marcoux. 

of Harold Moreau. 

of Philip Dalgleish. 

of Daniel Gaston Jules Caron. 

of Alexander Burke. 

of Aurella Breard. 

of Laurier Allain. 

of Agnes Agai. 

of David Filmore Sadler. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 1st AUGUST 352 

Pursuant to Order made August 26, 1958, a Message was sent to the Senate 
to return to that House the evidence taken and the papers produced in respect 
of the foregoing divorce bills before the Senate Standing Committee on Divorce. 



Order No. 6 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of 
the government. 



Bill S-29, An Act respecting The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of 
Canada, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amend- 
ment, read the third time and passed. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Addison, moved, — 
That the following bills be now read a second time and be referred for con- 
sideration forthwith, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 106, by: 

(a) Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce: 

Bill S-26, An Act respecting Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company. 
Bill S-30, An Act respecting The Monarch Life Assurance Company. 
Bill S-35, An Act respecting The Crown Life Insurance Company. 

(b) Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills: 

Bill S-31, An Act respecting The Canadian Manufacturers' Association. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion it was 
agreed to. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Ryan, seconded 
by Mr. Roxburgh, — That Bill S-28, An Act to incorporate Allstate Life Insur- 
ance Company of Canada, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-76, An Act to promote 
increased employment in Canada by financial assistance by way of loans to 
municipalities to enable municipalities to augment or accelerate municipal 
capital works programs; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Sharp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Commit- 
tee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-88, An Act respect- 
ing an Order of His Excellency the Governor in Council entitled the Surcharge 
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354 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

on Imports Order, and to restore certain rates of Customs duties and tariff 
benefits expressed to be withdrawn thereby; 

Mr. Chevrier for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Sharp, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, and ordered for con- 
sideration in Committee of the Whole at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that Bill C-76, An Act to promote 
increased employment in Canada by financial assistance by way of loans to 
municipalities to enable municipalities to augment or accelerate municipal 
capital works programs, be reprinted forthwith with certain proposed amend- 
ments. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Presenting Reports by 
Standing and Special Committees". 

Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Seventh Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

1. Your Committee has considered the following Bills and has agreed to 
report them without amendment: 

Bill S-26, An Act respecting Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company. 
Bill S-35, An Act respecting The Crown Life Insurance Company. 

2. Your Committee has also considered Bill S-30, An Act respecting the 
Monarch Life Assurance Company, and has agreed to report it with the follow- 
ing amendment: 

Clause 1 

Delete the words "La Monarch, Compagnie d'Assurance-Vie", and insert 
therefor the words "La Compagnie d'Assurance-Vie Monarch". 

Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Ninth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-31, An Act respecting The Canadian 
Manufacturers' Association, and has agreed to report it without amendment. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Senate and House of Com- 
mons Act and the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act, without 
amendment. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of June 1963. 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 1st AUGUST 355 

By Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the National Capital Commission, Part I, for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 85(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Deschatelets, — Report of the National Capital Commission, Part II, 
being its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 87(3) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Twelfth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2). 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

The Canadian Union Conference Corporation of Seventh-day Adventists 
for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation changing its name to "Seventh-day 
Adventist Church in Canada", repealing the limitations on its powers to hold 
parcels of land, and for other purposes. 

The Crown Life Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act of Incor- 
poration changing its name to "Crown Life Insurance Company", and authoriz- 
ing it to use, in the transaction of its business, either the name "Crown Life 
Insurance Company" and/or "La Compagnie d'Assurance-Vie Crown Life". 

George L. Armstrong and Douglas H. Cameron, both of the City of Mont- 
real, Quebec, and George Perley-Robertson, of the City of Ottawa, Ontario, for 
an Act to incorporate "Royal General Insurance Company of Canada" and in 
French, "La Compagnie d' Assurance Royal General du Canada". 



By unanimous consent, at 11.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 2nd AUGUST 357 

No. 56 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 2nd AUGUST, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Harley, from the Special Committee on Food and Drugs, presented 
the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to sit while the House 
is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Mitchell, 
the said report was concurred in. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-33, An Act respecting The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance 
Company. — Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace). 

Bill S-34, An Act respecting The National Life Assurance Company of 
Canada. — Mr. Richard. 

The foregoing bills were deemed to have been read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 103(2). 



The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-72, An Act to pro- 
vide for the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada; 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Lamontagne, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a third time and do pass. 

And the question being proposed; 



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Mr. Starr, seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be struck out and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"the said bill be not now read a third time but that it be referred to the 
Committee of the Whole House with the instruction that they have power to 
amend it by eliminating therefrom Clause 22 and 11, the objective being to 
continue the National Productivity Council." 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was nega- 
tived on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Forbes, 


Mcintosh, 


Ricard, 


Alkenbrack, 


Gundlock, 


Martineau, 


Skoreyko, 


Bell, 


Hamilton, 


Monteith, 


Southam, 


Chatterton, 


Harkness, 


Muir 


Starr, 


Churchill, 


Horner (The 


(Cape Breton 


Stefanson, 


Clancy, 


Battlefords), 


North and 


Stenson, 


Crouse, 


Jorgenson, 


Victoria), 


Thomas, 


Danforth, 


Korchinski, 


Nasserden, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Diefenbaker, 


Lamb, 


Nugent, 


Webb, 


Doucett, 


MacEwan, 


Pascoe, 


Willoughby, 


Fairweather, 


MacLean (Queens), Pigeon, 


Winkler— 48. 


Fane, 


MacRae, 


Pugh, 




Fleming (Okanagan- 


McBain, 


Rapp, 




Revelstoke), 


McCuteheon, 


Rheaume, 
Nays 
Messrs: 




Armstrong, 


Deachman, 


Honey, 


Ouellet, 


Asselin (Notre-Dame-Denis, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Pearson, 


de-Grace), 


Deschatelets, 


Klein, 


Pennell, 


Barnett, 


Douglas, 


Knowles, 


Pepin, 


Basford, 


Drouin, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Perron, 


Batten, 


Drury, 


Lamontagne, 


Peters, 


Beaule, 


Dube, 


Laniel, 


Pickersgill, 


Bechard, 


Emard, 


Latulippe, 


Pilon, 


Beer, 


Ethier, 


Laverdiere, 


Plourde, 


Belanger, 


Eudes, 


Leboe, 


Prittie, 


Benidickson, 


Favreau, 


Leduc, 


Regan, 


Berger, 


Fisher, 


Lessard 


Richard, 


Blouin, 


Foy, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Rinfret, 


Boulanger, 


Frenette, 


Lessard (Saint-Henri), Robichaud, 


Boutin, 


Garland, 


Loiselle, 


Rochon, 


Cadieux, 


Gauthier, 


MacEachen, 


Rock, 


Cameron (High 


Gelber, 


MacNaught, 


Rondeau, 


Park), 


Girouard, 


Mcllraith, 


Rouleau, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Godin, 


McMillan, 


Ryan, 


Cowichan-The 


Granger, 


McWilliam, 


Sharp, 


Islands), 


Gray, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tardif, 


Cantin, 


Greene, 


Mather, 


Temple, 


Cardin, 


Gregoire, 


Matheson, 


Tucker, 


Caron, 


Groos, 


Matte, 


Wahn, 


Carter, 


Guay, 


Moreau, 


Walker, 


Cashin, 


Habel, 


Mullally, 


Watson 


Chevrier, 


Haidasz, 


Munro, 


(Chateauguay- 


Choquette, 


Hahn, 


Nicholson, 


Huntingdon- 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Harley, 


O'Keefe, 


Laprairie), 


Cowan, 


Hellyer, 


Olson, 


Webster, 


Cyr, 


Herridge, 


Orlikow, 


WheJ*n— 116. 



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And the question being put on the main motion, — That Bill C-72, An Act 
to provide for the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada, be now 
read a third time and do pass; it was agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-90, An Act to amend 
the Excise Tax Act; 



Mr. Sharp for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, 
said bill be now read a third time and do pass. 

And the question being proposed; 



■That the 



Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That this bill be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Com- 
mittee of Ways and Means for the purpose of amending it to maintain the 
exemptions under the provisions of the Excise Tax from manufacturers sales 
tax on building materials and machinery, and machinery and apparatus to be 
used in manufacture or production. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


■ MacLean (Queens), 


Prittie, 


Alkenbrack, 


Revelstoke), 


MacRae, 


Pugh, 


Barnett, 


Forbes, 


McBain, 


Rapp, 


Belanger, 


Frenette, 


McCutcheon, 


Rheaume, 


Bell, 


Gauthier, 


Mcintosh, 


Ricard, 


Boutin, 


Gregoire, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Rondeau, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gundlock, 


Martineau, 


Scott, 


Cowichan-The 


Hamilton, 


Mather, 


Smith, 


Islands), 


Harkness, 


Monteith, 


Southam, 


Cardiff, 


Herridge, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Starr, 


Chatterton, 


Horner 


North and 


Stefanson, 


Churchill, 


(The Battlefords), 


Victoria), 


Stenson, 


Crouse, 


Jorgenson, 


Nasserden, 


Thomas, 


Danforth, 


Knowles, 


Nugent, 


Valade, 


Diefenbaker, 


Korchinski, 


Orlikow, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Dionne, 


Lamb, 


Pascoe, 


Webb, 


Doucett, 


Latulippe, 


Perron, 


Webster, 


Douglas, 


Lessard 


Peters, 


Willoughby, 


Fane, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Pigeon, 


Winkler— 72. 


Fisher, 


MacEwan, 


Plourde, 






Nays 






Messrs: 




Armstrong, 


Blouin, 


Chevrier, 


Drury, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Boulanger, 


Choquette, 


Dube, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Cadieux, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Ethier, 


Basford, 


Cameron (High 


Cowan, 


Eudes, 


Batten, 


Park), 


Cyr, 


Favreau, 


Bechard, 


Cantin, 


Deachman, 


Foy, 


Beer, 


Cardin, 


Denis, 


Garland, 


Benidickson, 


Caron, 


Deschatelets, 


Gelber, 


Berger, 


Carter, 


Drouin, 


Godin, 



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Granger, 


Lamontagne, 


Mullally, 


Rock, 


Gray, 


Laniel, 


Munro, 


Rouleau, 


Greene, 


Laverdiere, 


Nicholson, 


Ryan, 


Groos, 


Leduc, 


Nixon, 


Sauve, 


Guay, 


Lessard 


O'Keefe, 


Sharp, 


Habel, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Olson, 


Tardif, 


Haidasz, 


Loiselle, 


Pearson, 


Temple, 


Hahn, 


MacEachen, 


Pepin, 


Tucker, 


Harley, 


MacNaught, 


Pickersgill, 


Wahn, 


Hellyer, 


Mcllraith, 


Pilon, 


Walker, 


Honey, 


McMillan, 


Regan, 


Watson 


Jewett (Miss), 


McWilliam, 


Richard, 


(Chateauguay- 


Kelly, 


Matheson, 


Rinfret, 


Huntingdon- 


Klein, 


Matte, 


Robichaud, 


Laprairie), 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Moreau, 


Rochon, 


Whelan— 91. 


Lachance, 









And the question being put on the main motion, — That Bill C-90, An Act 
to amend the Excise Tax Act be now read a third time and do pass; it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill SD-252, An Act for the relief of George Mantadakis. 

Bill SD-253, An Act for the relief of Patricia Beverley Dimeo. 

Bill SD-254, An Act for the relief of Marie Emilia Rolande Gittens. 

Bill SD-255, An Act for the relief of Barbara Gladys Gregory. 

Bill SD-256, An Act for the relief of Julianna Gulyas. 

Bill SD-257, An Act for the relief of Edith Herman. 

Bill SD-258, An Act for the relief of Olga Rapoport. 

Bill SD-259, An Act for the relief of Nellie Rothman. 

Bill SD-260, An Act for the relief of Virginia Ruth Parmiter. 

Bill SD-261, An Act for the relief of Paul Aime Bedard. 

Bill SD-262, An Act for the relief of James Robert Breslin. 

Bill SD-263, An Act for the relief of Soshy Judith Marcovitz. 

Bill SD-264, An Act for the relief of Robert Charles Chapman. 

Bill SD-265, An Act for the relief of Werner Burke Michelsen. 

Bill SD-2S6, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Estelle Lord. 

Bill SD-267, An Act for the relief of Jean Alexandria Etheridge. 

Bill SD-268, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Cowan Frawley. 

Bill SD-269, An Act for the relief of Anita Klaiman. 

Bill SD-270, An Act for the relief of Haia (Clara) Fuchsman. 

Bill SD-271, An Act for the relief of Georgiana Brasseur. 

Bill SD-272, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Doreen Howell. 

Bill SD-273, An Act for the relief of Molly Sacks. 

Bill SD-274, An Act for the relief of Frances Sheila Madden. 

Bill SD-275, An Act for the relief of Marie Raymonde Violetta Dalpe. 

Bill SD-276, An Act for the relief of Ginette Ingrid Leopold. 

Bill SD-277, An Act for the relief of Kathleen Ryan. 



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361 



Bill SD-278 
Bill SD-279 
Bill SD-280 
Bill SD-281 
Bill SD-282 
Bill SD-283 
Bill SD-284 
Bill SD-285 
Bill SD-286 
Bill SD-287 
Bill SD-288 
Bill SD-289 
Bill SD-290 
Bill SD-291 
Bill SD-292 
Bill SD-293 
Bill SD-294 
Bill SD-295 
Bill SD-296 
Bill SD-297 
Kovacs, otherwise 
Bill SD-298 
Bill SD-299 
Bill SD-300 
Bill SD-301 

Bill SD-302 ; 
Maria Leichtag. 
Bill SD-303 
Bill SD-304 
Bill SD-305 
Bill SD-306 
Bill SD-307 
Bill SD-308 
Bill SD-309 
Bill SD-310 
Bill SD-311 
Bill SD-312 
Bill SD-313 
Bill SD-314 
Bill SD-315 
Bill SD-316 
Bill SD-317 
Bill SD-318 
Bill SD-319 
Bill SD-320 
Bill SD-321 



An Act for the relief of Anna Annette Brahmi. 
An Act for the relief of Rochelle Caplan. 
An Act for the relief of Kathleen Edna Belchem. 
An Act for the relief of Therese Genest. 
An Act for the relief of Robert Harrison. 
An Act for the relief of William Joseph Rowe. 
An Act for the relief of Cecile Caille. 
An Act for the relief of Robert Inglis, junior. 
An Act for the relief of Beverly Anne Runions. 
An Act for the relief of Anton Welte. 
An Act for the relief of Leo Paul Turcotte. 
An Act for the relief of Marie-Louise Guay. 
An Act for the relief of Marsha Liberman. 
An Act for the relief of Sylvia Socaransky. 
An Act for the relief of Sheila Liebling. 
An Act for the relief of Joan Marjorie Gregor-Pearse. 
An Act for the relief of Giselle Mignault. 
An Act for the relief of Hugh O'Connor. 
An Act for the relief of Ruth Moss. 

An Act for the relief of Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian 
known as Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Kovac. 
An Act for the relief of Maurice LeBel. 
An Act for the relief of Sonja Bagry. 
An Act for the relief of Therese Beaudoin. 
An Act for the relief of Ella Jane Lyon. 
An Act for the relief of Maria Lenkei, otherwise known as 

An Act for the relief of Doris Elinor Roberts. 

An Act for the relief of June Blickstead. 

An Act for the relief of Angelika Tasler. 

An Act for the relief of Hale Calvin Reid. 

An Act for the relief of Jeannine Elizabeth Sharpe. 

An Act for the relief of Olga Antonina Burkousky. 

An Act for the relief of Evelyn Frances Rae. 

An Act for the relief of Kenneth James Graham Tait. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Elaine Gallagher. 

An Act for the relief of Joyce Ethel Empey. 

An Act for the relief of Roger Bernard Angel. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Claire Rolande Dubois. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Guy Prud'homme. 

An Act for the relief of Gilles Graveline. 

An Act for the relief of Ingeborg Schmidt. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Clewes. 

An Act for the relief of Patricia Hilton. 

An Act for the relief of Vida Irene Louise McCallum. 

An Act for the relief of Karl Heinz Schulte. 



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Bill 


SD-322, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


known as Beverley Tratt. 






Bill 


SD-323, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-324, 


An Act for the relief 


Bill 


SD-325, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-326, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-327, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-328, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-329, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-330, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-331, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-332, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-333, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-334, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-335, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-336, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-337, 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-338, 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-339, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-340, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-341, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-342, 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-343, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-344, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-345, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-346, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-347, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-348, 


An Act for the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-349, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-350, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-351, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-352, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-353, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-354, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 


Bill 


SD-355, 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill 


SD-356, 


An Act for 


the 


relief 



of Monique Mercure. 

of Eli Kraus. 

of Edouard Pellerin. 

of John Andrew Milne. 

of Alethea Sarah Ivy Fowler. 

of Marcheta Lino Edwards. 

of Gwynneth Margaret Forget. 

of John Reid Koken. 

of Eloise Sonne. 

of Jean Ilene Buckley. 

of Anna May Sergent. 

of Karl Heinz Wunderlich. 

of Margaret Anne Harvey. 

of Josephine Isabella Geiger. 

of Barbara Ann Wallace. 

of Thelma Freeman. 

of Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky. 

of Aranka Ilona Berendy. 

of Muriel Howarth Hulbig. 

of Amy Sandra Glendinning. 

of Dorothy Alice Usher. 

of Suzanne Moreau. 

of Phyllis Carol Johnston. 

of Lillian Florence Catherine Hurst. 

of Armand Gauthier. 

of Maria Papadakis. 

of Anna Luella Matthews. 

of Dawn Dorothea Marsden. 

of Donna Maureen Vincent. 

of Therese Geraldeau. 

of Gizella Ethel Bogoly. 

of Simonne Michele Mona Bouchard. 

of Therese Rivet. 

of Irene Elizabeth Malloch. 

The said bills, standing in the name of Mr. Wahn, were deemed to have 
been read a first time pursuant to Standing Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate communicating to this House the 
evidence taken and the papers produced in respect of the above-mentioned 
divorce bills, with a request that the said evidence and papers be returned to 
the Senate. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Klein, moved, — That 
the said bills be now read a second time and be referred to the Standing Com- 
mittee on Miscellaneous Private Bills for consideration forthwith; and that 
Standing Orders 93, 94(3) (a), 100, 102, 106 and 116 be suspended in relation 
thereto. 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 2nd AUGUST 363 

And the question being put on the said motion it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the foregoing bills were read the second time, on division, 
and referred to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills for 
consideration forthwith (together with the evidence taken and the papers 
produced in respect of the said bills before the Senate Standing Committee 
on Divorce). 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), 
seconded by Mr. Moreau, it was ordered, — That Bill S-33, An Act respecting 
The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance Company, and Bill S-34, An Act 
respecting The National Life Assurance Company of Canada, which received 
first reading earlier this day, be now read a second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce for consideration forthwith, 
and that Standing Orders 94(3) (a), 102, 106 and 116 be suspended in relation 
thereto. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the hour for Private Members' 
Business be suspended until later this day, in order to consider government 
business, and that an evening sitting commence at 7.00 o'clock p.m. 



Bill C-76, An Act to promote increased employment in Canada by financial 
assistance by way of loans to municipalities to enable municipalities to aug- 
ment or accelerate municipal capital works programs, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported with amendments, and considered as 
amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

And after some time; 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of an 
Economic Council of Canada, without amendment. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-93, An Act authorizing the Senate of Canada to 
Dissolve or Annul Marriages, with the following amendments: 

1. Page 1, line 9. Strike out line 9 and substitute the following: — 
"subject to the provisions of subsections (2) and (3)," 

2. Page 1, lines 28 to 32 inclusive. Strike out subclause (3) and substitute 
the following: — 

"(3) If the bill referred to in subsection (2) is disposed of otherwise than 
by becoming law or by reason of prorogation or dissolution of Parliament, the 
resolution dissolving or annulling the marriage shall have full force and effect 
on the date on which the bill has been so disposed of." 



364 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

3. Page 2, lines 1 to 10 inclusive. Strike out subclause (4) and substitute 
therefor the following: — 

"(4) Where a petition or a bill seeking the annulment or modification of 
a resolution of the Senate dissolving or annulling a marriage has been disposed 
of by reason of prorogation or dissolution of Parliament, and a new petition 
and a draft bill to the same effect are not filed with the Clerk of the Parlia- 
ments within thirty days of the commencement of the next ensuing session of 
Parliament, such resolution shall come into force on the expiration of such 
thirty days. If such petition and draft bill are so filed within such thirty days, 
the operation of such resolution shall be suspended in accordance with the 
provisions of subsection (2)." 

4. Page 2, lines 11 to 21 inclusive. Strike out clause 3 and substitute the 
following: — 

"3. The Senate shall, before adopting a resolution for the dissolution or 
annulment of a marriage, refer the petition therefor to an officer of the Senate 
to be designated by the Speaker of the Senate, to hear evidence and make his 
report thereon to the Senate Standing Committee on Divorce, but such officer 
shall not recommend that a marriage be dissolved or annulled except on a 
ground on which a marriage could be dissolved or annulled, as the case may 
be, under the laws of England as they existed on the 15th day of July, 1870, 
or under the Marriage and Divorce Act, Chap. 176 of the Revised Statutes of 
Canada, 1952." 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. 
Walker, it was ordered that the said amendments be placed on the Order Paper 
for consideration later this day. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. 
Deschatelets, the Report of the Joint Committee of both Houses on the Library 
of Parliament, presented to this House on Thursday, August 1, 1963, was 
concurred in. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $724,687,939.03, being the aggre- 
gate of — 

(a) two-twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before the 
House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $641,050,276.00; 

(b) an additional five- twelfths of the amount of External Affairs Item 
107, $208,333.34; 

(c) an additional two-twelfths of the amounts of Atomic Energy Item 5, 
Public Works Item 20 and Loans, Investments and Advances Item L65 of the 
said Estimates, $1,468,333.34; 

(d) an additional one- twelfth of the amounts of External Affairs Item 78, 
Legislation Items 40 and 45, Mines and Technical Surveys Items 30, 35, 40, 50, 



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70, 80, 100, 105, 130 and 140, Northern Affairs and National Resources Items 
25, 30, 45, 50, 100 and 105, Publics Works Item 180, Transport Item 50 of the 
said Estimates, $6,058,666.67; 

(e) two- twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in the 
Supplementary Estimates (A), for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, 
(except External Affairs Vote 96a and Loans Vote L63a ), laid before the House 
of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $50,605,805.50; 

(/) an additional five-twelfths of the amount of Finance Item 5a, 
$415,833.34; 

(gf) an additional two-twelfths of the amount of Finance Item 70a and 
Loans, Investments and Advances Item L65a, $11,380,690.84; 

(h) six- twelfths of the amount of the Item set forth in the Supplementary 
Estimates (B), for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before the 
House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $3,500,000.00; 

(i) six- twelfths of the amount of the Item set forth in the Supplementary 
Estimates (C), for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before the 
House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $10,000,000.00; 

be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending March 
31st, 1964. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
March 31st, 1964, the sum of $724,687,939.03 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the Resolution concurred in this day 
in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Sharp for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-94, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1964, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



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By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Routine Proceedings". 

Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Eighth Report of the said Committee, 
which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following Bills and has agreed to 
report them without amendment: 

Bill S-33, An Act respecting The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance 
Company. 

Bill S-34, An Act respecting The National Life Assurance Company of 
Canada. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Asselin seconded by Mr. Moreau, 
it was ordered, — That the said bills be placed on the Order Paper for considera- 
tion in Committee of the Whole later this day. 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Tenth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following Bills and has agreed to report 
them without amendment: 

Bill SD-252, An Act for the relief of George Mantadakis. 

Bill SD-253, An Act for the relief of Patricia Beverley Dimeo. 

Bill SD-254, An Act for the relief of Marie Emilia Rolande Gittens. 

Bill SD-255, An Act for the relief of Barbara Gladys Gregory. 

Bill SD-256, An Act for the relief of Julianna Gulyas. 

Bill SD-257, An Act for the relief of Edith Herman. 

Bill SD-258, An Act for the relief of Olga Rapoport. 

Bill SD-259, An Act for the relief of Nellie Rothman. 

Bill SD-260, An Act for the relief of Virginia Ruth Parmiter. 

Bill SD-261, An Act for the relief of Paul Aime Bedard. 

Bill SD-262, An Act for the relief of James Robert Breslin. 

Bill SD-263, An Act for the relief of Soshy Judith Marcovitz. 

Bill SD-264, An Act for the relief of Robert Charles Chapman. 

Bill SD-265, An Act for the relief of Werner Burke Michelsen. 

Bill SD-268, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Estelle Lord. 

Bill SD-267, An Act for the relief of Jean Alexandria Etheridge. 

Bill SD-268, An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Cowan Frawley. 

Bill SD-269, An Act for the relief of Anita Klaiman. 

Bill SD-270, An Act for the relief of Haia (Clara) Fuchsman. 

Bill SD-271, An Act for the relief of Georgiana Brasseur. 

Bill SD-272, An Act for the relief of Dorothy Doreen Howell. 

Bill SD-273, An Act for the relief of Molly Sacks. 

Bill SD-274, An Act for the relief of Frances Sheila Madden. 

Bill SD-275, An Act for the relief of Marie Raymonde Violetta Dalpe. 

Bill SD-276, An Act for the relief of Ginette Ingrid Leopold. 

Bill SD-277, An Act for the relief of Kathleen Ryan. 

Bill SD-278, An Act for the relief of Anna Annette Brahmi. 

Bill SD-279, An Act for the relief of Rochelle Caplan. 



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Bill SD-280 
Bill SD-281 
Bill SD-282 
Bill SD-283 
Bill SD-284 
Bill SD-285 
Bill SD-286 
Bill SD-287 
Bill SD-288 
Bill SD-289 
Bill SD-290 
Bill SD-291 
Bill SD-292 
Bill SD-293 
Bill SD-294 
Bill SD-295 
Bill SD-296 
Bill SD-297 



Kovacs, otherwise known 



Bill SD-298, An Act 

Bill SD-299, An Act 

Bill SD-300, An Act 

Bill SD-301, An Act 

Bill SD-302, An Act 
Maria Leichtag. 

Bill SD-303, An Act 
Bill SD-304, An Act 
Bill SD-305, An Act 
Bill SD-306, An Act 
Bill SD-307, An Act 
Bill SD-308, An Act 
Bill SD-309, An Act 
Bill SD-310, An Act 
Bill SD-311, An Act 
Bill SD-312, An Act 
Bill SD-313, An Act 
Bill SD-314, An Act 
Bill SD-315, An Act 
Bill SD-316, An Act 
Bill SD-317, An Act 
Bill SD-318, An Act 
Bill SD-319, An Act 
Bill SD-320, An Act 
Bill SD-321, An Act 
Bill SD-322, An Act 
known as Beverley Tratt. 
Bill SD-323, An Act 



An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 
An Act 



for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
as Dora 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 
for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 
for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 

for the 



relief of Kathleen Edna Belchem. 

relief of Therese Genest. 

relief of Robert Harrison, 

relief of William Joseph Rowe. 

relief of Cecile Caille. 

relief of Robert Inglis, junior, 

relief of Beverly Anne Runions. 

relief of Anton Welte. 

relief of Leo Paul Turcotte. 

relief of Marie-Louise Guay. 

relief of Marsha Liberman. 

relief of Sylvia Socaransky. 

relief of Sheila Liebling. 

relief of Joan Marjorie Gregor-Pearse. 

relief of Giselle Mignault. 

relief of Hugh O'Connor, 

relief of Ruth Moss. 

relief of Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian 
Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Kovac. 

relief of Maurice LeBel. 

relief of Sonja Bagry. 

relief of Therese Beaudoin. 

relief of Ella Jane Lyon, 

relief of Maria Lenkei, otherwise known as 



relief of Doris Elinor Roberts. 

relief of June Blickstead. 

relief of Angelika Tasler. 

relief of Hale Calvin Reid. 

relief of Jeannine Elizabeth Sharpe. 

relief of Olga Antonina Burkousky. 

relief of Evelyn Frances Rae. 

relief of Kenneth James Graham Tait. 

relief of Margaret Elaine Gallagher. 

relief of Joyce Ethel Empey. 

relief of Roger Bernard Angel. 

relief of Marie Claire Rolande Dubois. 

relief of Jean Guy Prud'homme. 

relief of Gilles Graveline. 

relief of Ingeborg Schmidt. 

relief of Margaret Clewes. 

relief of Patricia Hilton. 

relief of Vida Irene Louise McCallum. 

relief of Karl Heinz Schulte. 

relief of Beverley Trachtenberg, otherwise 



for the relief of Monique Mercure. 



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of Eli Kraus. 

of Edouard Pellerin. 

of John Andrew Milne. 

of Alethea Sarah Ivy Fowler. 

of Marcheta Lino Edwards. 

of Gwynneth Margaret Forget. 

of Joan Reid Koken. 

of Eloise Sonne. 

of Jean Ilene Buckley. 

of Anna May Sergent. 

of Karl Heinz Wunderlich. 

of Margaret Anne Harvey. 

of Josephine Isabella Geiger. 

of Barbara Ann Wallace. 

of Thelma Freeman. 

of Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky. 

of Aranka Ilona Berendy. 

of Muriel Howarth Hulbig. 

of Amy Sandra Glendinning. 

of Dorothy Alice Usher. 

of Suzanne Moreau. 

of Phyllis Carol Johnston. 

of Lillian Florence Catherine Hurst. 

of Armand Gauthier. 

of Maria Papadakis. 

of Anna Luella Matthews. 

of Dawn Dorothea Marsden. 

of Donna Maureen Vincent. 

of Therese Geraldeau. 

of Gizella Ethel Bogoly. 

of Simonne Michele Mona Bouchard. 

of Therese Rivet. 

of Irene Elizabeth Malloch. 

Your Committee returns herewith the evidence and papers transmitted by 
the Senate to this House in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Moreau. 
it was ordered that the foregoing Divorce Bills, SD-252 to SD-356 inclusive, 
be placed on the Order Paper for consideration in Committee of the Whole 
later this day. 

Pursuant to the foregoing Special Order, Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. 
Moreau, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
go into Committee of the Whole on Divorce Bills numbered SD-252 to SD-356 
inclusive (pursuant to Standing Order 54(1)); which was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bills were considered in Committee of the Whole, 
reported without amendment, read the third time, on division, and passed. 



Bill SD-324, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-325, 


An Act for 


the relief 


Bill SD-326, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-327, 


An 


Act 


for the relief 


Bill SD-328, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-329, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-330, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-331, 


An 


Act for 


the relief 


Bill SD-332, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-333, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-334, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-335, 


An Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-336, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-337, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-338, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-339, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-340, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-341, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-342, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-343, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-344, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-345, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-346, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-347, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-348, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-349, 


An 


Act 


for the relief 


Bill SD-350, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-351, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-352, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-353, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-354, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-355, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 


Bill SD-356, 


An 


Act 


for 


the relief 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 2nd AUGUST 369 

Pursuant to Order made August 26, 1958, a Message was sent to the Senate 
to return to that House the evidence taken and the papers produced in respect 
of the foregoing divorce bills before the Senate Standing Committee on 
Divorce. 

(Private Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



Bill S-26, An Act respecting Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company, 
was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read 
the third time and passed. 



Bill S-35, An Act respecting The Crown Life Insurance Company, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read 
the third time and passed. 

Bill S-30, An Act respecting The Monarch Life Assurance Company, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported with an amendment (as made 
in the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce), and considered as 
amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



Bill S-31, An Act respecting The Canadian Manufacturers' Association, 
was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read 
the third time and passed. 



Order No. 7 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of 
the government. 



Pursuant to Special Order made this day, Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de- 
Grace), seconded by Mr. Richard, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave 
the Chair for the House to go into Committee of the Whole on Private Bills 
(pursuant to Standing Order 54(1)); which was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the following bills were considered in Committee of the 
Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time and passed: 

Bill S-33, An Act respecting The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance 
Company. 

Bill S-34, An Act respecting The National Life Assurance Company of 
Canada. 



By unanimous consent, pursuant to Special Order made this day, the Order 
being read for the consideration of amendments made by the Senate to Bill 
C-93, An Act authorizing the Senate of Canada to Dissolve or Annul Marriages; 

Mr. Winkler, seconded by Mr. Bell, moved, — That the said amendments 
be now read a second time and concurred in. 

And debate arising thereon; 



370 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved in amendment thereto, — That 
a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours that this House 
concurs in the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-93, An Act author- 
izing the Senate of Canada to Dissolve or Annul Marriages, with the exception 
of the fourth amendment, which this House proposes be amended as follows: — 

"Strike out the fourth amendment and substitute therefor: — 

"4. Page 2, lines 11 to 21 inclusive. Strike out clause 3 and substitute the 
following: — 

"3. The Senate shall adopt a resolution for the dissolution or annulment 
of a marriage only upon referring the petition therefor to an officer of the 
Senate, designated by the Speaker of the Senate, who shall hear evidence, and 
report thereon, but such officer shall not recommend that a marriage be dis- 
solved or annulled except on a ground on which a marriage could be dissolved 
or annulled, as the case may be, under the laws of England as they existed 
on the 15th day of July, 1870, or under the Marriage and Divorce Act, Chapt. 
176 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1952". 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment, it was agreed to. 

And the question being put on the main motion, as amended, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the Senate amendments, as amended, were read the second 
time and concurred in. 

On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Denis, it was ordered, — 
That, when this House adjourns today, it stand adjourned until Monday, 
September 30, 1963, at 2.30 o'clock p.m., provided always that if it appears 
to the satisfaction of Mr. Speaker, after consultation with Her Majesty's Gov- 
ernment, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an 
earlier time during the adjournment, Mr. Speaker may give notice that he is 
so satisfied, and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such 
notice, and shall transact its business as if it had been duly adjourned at that 
time. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker declared the sitting suspended during 
pleasure. 

And the sitting having been resumed; 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-94, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1964. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills, without amendment: 

Bill C-76, An Act to promote increased employment in Canada by financial 
assistance by way of loans to municipalities to enable municipalities to 
augment or accelerate municipal capital works programs. 

Bill C-90, An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act. 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 2nd AUGUST 371 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had agreed to the amendment made by the House of Commons to Bill 
S-30, An Act respecting The Monarch Life Assurance Company, without 
amendment. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had concurred in the amendment made by the House of Commons to 
the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-93, An Act authorizing the 
Senate of Canada to Dissolve or Annul Marriages. 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

2nd August, 1963. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Wilfred Judson, 
Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy of His Excellency 
the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 2nd 
August, at 10.00 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Wilfred Judson, 
acting as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the imme- 
diate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable 
the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 
His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bills: 

An Act respecting The Sovereign Life Assurance Company of Canada. 

An Act to amend the Senate and House of Commons Act and the Members 
of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act. 

An Act to provide for the establishment of an Economic Council of Canada. 

An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act. 

An Act to promote increased employment in Canada by financial assistance 
by way of loans to municipalities to enable municipalities to augment or accel- 
erate municipal capital works programs. 

An Act authorizing the Senate of Canada to Dissolve or Annul Marriages. 

An Act respecting Co-operative Fire and Casualty Company. 



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An Act respecting The Monarch Life Assurance Company. 
An Act respecting The Crown Life Insurance Company. 
An Act respecting The Canadian Manufacturers' Association. 
An Act respecting The National Life Assurance Company of Canada. 
An Act respecting The Canada Accident and Fire Assurance Company. 
An Act for the relief of Margaret Catherine Smith. 
An Act for the relief of Gladys Noreen Monette. 
An Act for the relief of Joseph Leo Gerard Bougie. 
An Act for the relief of Nicholas Cimbru Chambers. 
An Act for the relief of Suzanne Chasse. 
An Act for the relief of Esther Wertheimer. 
An Act for the relief of Lygery Varverikos. 
An Act for the relief of Frank Hamilton Mingie, junior. 
An Act for the relief of Rosemary Beatrice Clare. 
An Act for the relief of Marie-Paule Jacqueline Lorette Champagne. 
An Act for the relief of Klara Brody. 
An Act for the relief of Bernice Bordensky. 
An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Belanger. 
An Act for the relief of Christina Aube. 
An Act for the relief of Brigitte Dophide. 
An Act for the relief of Anita Margaret d'Esterre. 
An Act for the relief of Gladys Jean Desjardins. 
An Act for the relief of Sylvia Dankner. 
An Act for the relief of Florence Patricia Da Silva. 
An Act for the relief of Judith MacBeth Cuggy. 
An Act for the relief of Giuseppe de Cristoforo. 
An Act for the relief of Beverley Hayden Crerar. 
An Act for the relief of Paulyne Leblanc. 
An Act for the relief of Gabriela Kiwitt. 
An Act for the relief of Dorothea Margaret Kay. 
An Act for the relief of Wilma Karls. 
An Act for the relief of Felix Hollinger. 

An Act for the relief of Abie Herscovitch, otherwise known as Allan 
Herscovitch. 

An Act for the relief of Doris Sibyl Jane Hassall. 

An Act for the relief of Ezreh Harry Herscovitch. 

An Act for the relief of Robert Fleischer. 

An Act for the relief of William Rankin Edmondson. 

An Act for the relief of Leonard Emond. 

An Act for the relief of Dorothy Irene Marjorie Adams. 

An Act for the relief of Zbigniew Stanislaw Janicki. 

An Act for the relief of Harry Hyman. 

An Act for the relief of Nadia-Anne Hruszij. 

An Act for the relief of Christine Johnson. 

An Act for the relief of Arlene June Kaczur. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Teresa Hough. 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 2nd AUGUST 373 

An Act for the relief of Bernard Hebert. 

An Act for the relief of Catherine Harper. 

An Act for the relief of Wilhelmina Grundy. 

An Act for the relief of Edith Diane Greenberg. 

An Act for the relief of Catherine Mildred Gray. 

An Act for the relief of Nancy Ruth Grabina. 

An Act for the relief of Lucille Goresky. 

An Act for the relief of Constance Valerie Laurie. 

An Act for the relief of Ellen Chase McKellar. 

An Act for the relief of Angus Mcintosh. 

An Act for the relief of Claude Gerard Montpetit. 

An Act for the relief of Maureen Carol McAlinden. 

An Act for the relief of Vera Irene MacKenzie. 

An Act for the relief of Marguerite Ann MacDonald. 

An Act for the relief of Sybil Lillian Lupovich. 

An Act for the relief of Minnie Lichtenstein. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Bernard L'Heureux. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Ada Lewis. 

An Act for the relief of Violet Pearl St. James Lemoine. 

An Act for the relief of Mildred Kligman. 

An Act for the relief of Zelda Barbara Kimberg. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Ann Kenwood. 

An Act for the relief of Madeleine Kallweit. 

An Act for the relief of Philippe LeBeau. 

An Act for the relief of Joyce Irene Larocque. 

An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Anne Kotania. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Celine Pierrette Lapointe. 

An Act for the relief of Shirley Sarah James. 

An Act for the relief of Lena Quelle. 

An Act for the relief of Charles Harold Page. 

An Act for the relief of Rosa Jacobson. 

An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Marguerite Allaway. 

An Act for the relief of Marylin Jean Alie. 

An Act for the relief of Juliana Magdelene Ashley. 

An Act for the relief of Alphonse Audet. 

An Act for the relief of Denise Bachelder. 

An Act for the relief of Alma Ivy Bankley. 

An Act for the relief of Edouard Joseph Armand Baril. 

An Act for the relief of Therese Beaulieu. 

An Act for the relief of Jeannie Belchik. 

An Act for the relief of John Faucher. 

An Act for the relief of Ruth Ilona Elkin. 

An Act for the relief of Hazel Durocher. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Helen Donnan. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Joan Digby. 

An Act for the relief of Joseph Paul Alderic Belisle. 



374 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

An Act for the relief of Pamela Blair. 

An Act for the relief of Kenneth Allan Blight. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Yvonne Lucie Godard. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Augustine Jeannette Gibbs. 

An Act for the relief of Nicole Marie Geoffroy. 

An Act for the relief of Susan Gabor. 

An Act for the relief of Alexandra Deliyannakis. 

An Act for the relief of Joseph Fortin Decelles. 

An Act for the relief of Josephine Mary Croll. 

An Act for the relief of Anita Cleri. 

An Act for the relief of Alice Elizabeth Clarke. 

An Act for the relief of Judith Elizabeth Caron. 

An Act for the relief of Collin Mills Campbell. 

An Act for the relief of Lorraine Burt. 

An Act for the relief of Linda Alice Burrows. 

An Act for the relief of Gerhard Hermann Buchholz. 
An Act for the relief of Wilma Gloria Bryson. 

An Act for the relief of Joseph Luc Roger Pelletier. 

An Act for the relief of Clara Edith Papp. 

An Act for the relief of Frances Cynthia Nevitt. 

An Act for the relief of Betty Naimovitch, otherwise known as Betty 
Naimo. 

An Act for the relief of Elsa Munch. 

An Act for the relief of Mildred Dawson Meakins. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Rose McDuff. 

An Act for the relief of Vickie Marks. 

An Act for the relief of John Eli jam Marshalluk. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Letovsky. 

An Act for the relief of Lee Leopold. 

An Act for the relief of Guy Lefebvre. 

An Act for the relief of Kate Gillman. 

An Act for the relief of Margarete Gerda Ruhnau. 

An Act for the relief of Catherine Gerasimos Andrulakis. 

An Act for the relief of John Joseph Huitson. 

An Act for the relief of Suzi Elizabeth Perry. 

An Act for the relief of Vivian Geoffrey Power. 

An Act for the relief of Gordon Richard Alexander Ramsden. 

An Act for the relief of Gertrude Lindener. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Aline Martine France. 

An Act for the relief of Shirley Margaret Woolley. 

An Act for the relief of James Richard Williamson. 

An Act for the relief of Isadore Titleman. 

An Act for the relief of Lloyd James Simpson. 

An Act for the relief of Lily (Lillian) Shapiro. 

An Act for the relief of Blima (Wendy) Shapiro. 



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An Act for the relief of Marie Theresa Sckyra. 
An Act for the relief of Anne Marion Prentice. 
An Act for the relief of Patricia Marjorie Maisonet. 
An Act for the relief of Jennie Zajko. 
An Act for the relief of Pawel Olejnik. 
An Act for the relief of Millicent Vera Seagrove. 
An Act for the relief of Patricia Sabetta. 
An Act for the relief of Isadore Rosenblatt. 
An Act for the relief of Calvin Harold Robinson. 
An Act for the relief of Real Richard. 
An Act for the relief of Louisa Emily Elizabeth Porter. 
An Act for the relief of Eva Florence Plaskett. 
An Act for the relief of Madge Estelle Pinkerton. 
An Act for the relief of Allan Barry Phillips. 
An Act for the relief of Paul Parizeau. 
An Act for the relief of Jean Elizabeth O'Reilly. 
An Act for the relief of Josephine Rose Nawrocki. 
An Act for the relief of Valerie Jean Morton. 
An Act for the relief of Franklin Dale Hufford. 
An Act for the relief of Carroll Lynne Milette. 
An Act for the relief of Evelyne Millette. 
An Act for the relief of Leo Rene Maranda. 
An Act for the relief of Edward Sidney Mansfield. 
An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Angela Stirling. 
An Act for the relief of Patricia Ann Small. 
An Act for the relief of Jeanette Rosenberg. 
An Act for the relief of Phyllis Siev. 
An Act for the relief of Maurice Sealy. 
An Act for the relief of Helena Jadwiga Igiel Wodnicki. 
An Act for the relief of Amira Wilson. 
An Act for the relief of Hyman Omri Tannenbaum. 
An Act for the relief of Doris Irene Trerice. 
An Act for the relief of Glen Stewart Tornay. 
An Act for the relief of Audrey Barbara Sutton. 
An Act for the relief of Adele Kathleen Strachan. 
An Act for the relief of Bertha Staruch. 
An Act for the relief of Mihaly Szakacs. 
An Act for the relief of Doreen Dreyer Eastwood. 
An Act for the relief of Jacques Ekaireb. 
An Act for the relief of Rosaire Gauthier. 
An Act for the relief of Gertraud Holzer. 
An Act for the relief of Marie Joan Patricia Jeffries 
An Act for the relief of Anita Guido Knezevic. 
An Act for the relief of Celia Lesnik. 
An Act for the relief of Joan Mary Pearson. 
An Act for the relief of Georgine Plzak. 
An Act for the relief of Marcelle Rosenberg. 
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An Act for the relief of Helen Beverley Sabo. 

An Act for the relief of Ruby Rita Smith. 

An Act for the relief of Marketa Tata. 

An Act for the relief of Ellen Smolar. 

An Act for the relief of Carmen Abrams. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Ellynore Abbott. 

An Act for the relief of John Andre Anderson. 

An Act for the relief of Anne Marie Asselin. 

An Act for the relief of Percy Beauvais. 

An Act for the relief of Shirley Brimacombe. 

An Act for the relief of James Coade. 

An Act for the relief of Ann Marie Cooke. 

An Act for the relief of Kathleen Sangster. 

An Act for the relief of Margot Scott Connor. 

An Act for the relief of Stasys Vysniauskas. 

An Act for the relief of Francoise Campion. 

An Act for the relief of Claire Bradford. 

An Act for the relief of Sylvia Evelyn Lyon. 

An Act for the relief of Gerald William Henderson. 

An Act for the relief of May Margaret Morelli. 

An Act for the relief of Franz Zeitlhofer. 

An Act for the relief of Lily (Laura) Anita Karbelnik. 

An Act for the relief of John Matthew Hardman Pickford. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Alice Rinder. 

An Act for the relief of Donald Beakes. 

An Act for the relief of Guy Bertrand. 

An Act for the relief of Lloyd Carlton Willard. 

An Act for the relief of Francis John Nobbs. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Jacqueline Dusablon. 

An Act for the relief of Helen Oulton. 

An Act for the relief of Gwendolyn Grace Lanctot. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Kathleen Lister. 

An Act for the relief of Judith Joy Spector. 

An Act for the relief of Myrtle Alice Southwood. 

An Act for the relief of Teresa Lesiuk. 

An Act for the relief of Ion Ignatescu. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Gallagher. 

An Act for the relief of Mary Catherine Weather by. 

An Act for the relief of Linnea Erna Barbara Walker. 

An Act for the relief of Rhoda Lipschutz. 

An Act for the relief of Leslie Thomas Norval Modler. 

An Act for the relief of Lajos Nagy, otherwise known as Louis Nagy. 

An Act for the relief of Paul Orlivsky. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Jeanne Beaulieu. 

An Act for the relief of Rachela Zimber. 

An Act for the relief of Jacqueline Henriette Pujol. 



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An Act for the relief of Rebecca Rosenstrauss. 
An Act for the relief of Irene Tyminski. 
An Act for the relief of Frances Lyman. 
An Act for the relief of Andre Durocher. 
An Act for the relief of Anna Elizabeth Strickland. 
An Act for the relief of Michele Breuer. 
An Act for the relief of Magella Bergeron. 
An Act for the relief of Lucien DeCoeur. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Henriette Antoinette Marguerite Blood- 
worth Pringle. 

An Act for the relief of John Joseph Laflamme. 
An Act for the relief of Eliane Trottier. 
An Act for the relief of Sylvia Bertha Spires. 
An Act for the relief of Albert Henry Grabeldinger Willis. 
An Act for the relief of Ivy Elizabeth Sherry. 
An Act for the relief of Suzanne Reiner. 
An Act for the relief of Elaine Redmond. 
An Act for the relief of Paul Emile Niquette. 
An Act for the relief of Robert Fernand Marcoux. 
An Act for the relief of Harold Moreau. 
An Act for the relief of Philip Dalgeish. 
An Act for the relief of Daniel Gaston Jules Caron. 
An Act for the relief of Alexander Burke. 
An Act for the relief of Aurella Breard. 
An Act for the relief of Laurier Allain. 
An Act for the relief of Agnes Agai. 
An Act for the relief of David Filmore Sadler. 
An Act for the relief of George Mantadakis. 
An Act for the relief of Patricia Beverley Dimeo. 
An Act for the relief of Marie Emilia Rolande Gittens. 
An Act for the relief of Barbara Gladys Gregory. 
An Act for the relief of Julianna Gulyas. 
An Act for the relief of Edith Herman. 
An Act for the relief of Olga Rapoport. 
An Act for the relief of Nellie Rothman. 
An Act for the relief of Virginia Ruth Parmiter. 
An Act for the relief of Paul Aime Bedard. 
An Act for the relief of James Robert Breslin. 
An Act for the relief of Soshy Judith Marcovitz. 
An Act for the relief of Robert Charles Chapman. 
An Act for the relief of Werner Burke Michelsen. 
An Act for the relief of Dorothy Estelle Lord. 
An Act for the relief of Jean Alexandria Etheridge. 
An Act for the relief of Elizabeth Cowan Frawley. 
An Act for the relief of Anita Klaiman. 
An Act for the relief of Haia (Clara) Fuchsman. 
An Act for the relief of Georgiana Brasseur. 
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An Act for the relief of Dorothy Doreen Howell. 

An Act for the relief of Molly Sacks. 

An Act for the relief of Frances Sheila Madden. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Raymonde Violetta Dalpe. 

An Act for the relief of Ginette Ingrid Leopold. 

An Act for the relief of Kathleen Ryan. 

An Act for the relief of Anna Annette Brahmi. 

An Act for the relief of Rochelle Caplan. 

An Act for the relief of Edna Belchem. 

An Act for the relief of Therese Genest. 

An Act for the relief of Robert Harrison. 

An Act for the relief of William Joseph Rowe. 

An Act for the relief of Cecile Caille. 

An Act for the relief of Robert Inglis, junior. 

An Act for the relief of Beverly Anne Runions. 

An Act for the relief of Anton Welte. 

An Act for the relief of Leo Paul Turcotte. 

An Act for the relief of Marie-Louise Guay. 

An Act for the relief of Marsha Liberman. 

An Act for the relief of Sylvia Socaransky. 

An Act for the relief of Sheila Liebling. 

An Act for the relief of Joan Marjorie Gregor-Pearse. 

An Act for the relief of Giselle Mignault. 

An Act for the relief of Hugh O'Connor. 

An Act for the relief of Ruth Moss. 

An Act for the relief of Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Kovacs, other- 
wise known as Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Kovac. 

An Act for the relief of Maurice LeBel. 

An Act for the relief of Sonja Bagry. 

An Act for the relief of Therese Beaudoin. 

An Act for the relief of Ella Jane Lyon. 

An Act for the relief of Maria Lenkei, otherwise known as Maria 
Leichtag. 

An Act for the relief of Doris Elinor Roberts. 

An Act for the relief of June Blickstead. 

An Act for the relief of Angelika Tasler. 

An Act for the relief of Hale Calvin Reid. 

An Act for the relief of Jeannine Elizabeth Sharpe. 

An Act for the relief of Olga Antonina Burkousky. 

An Act for the relief of Evelyn Frances Rae. 

An Act for the relief of Kenneth James Graham Tait. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Elaine Gallagher. 

An Act for the relief of Joyce Ethel Empey. 

An Act for the relief of Roger Bernard Angel. 

An Act for the relief of Marie Claire Rolande Dubois. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Guy Prud'homme. 

An Act for the relief of Gilles Graveline. 



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An Act for the relief of Ingeborg Schmidt. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Clewes. 

An Act for the relief of Patricia Hilton. 

An Act for the relief of Vida Irene Louise McCallum. 

An Act for the relief of Karl Heinz Schulte. 

An Act for the relief of Beverley Trachtenberg, otherwise known as 
Beverley Tratt. 

An Act for the relief of Monique Mercure. 

An Act for the relief of Eli Kraus. 

An Act for the relief of Edouard Pellerin. 

An Act for the relief of John Andrew Milne. 

An Act for the relief of Alethea Sarah Ivy Fowler. 

An Act for the relief of Marcheta Lino Edwards. 

An Act for the relief of Gwynneth Margaret Forget. 

An Act for the relief of Joan Reid Koken. 

An Act for the relief of Eloise Sonne. 

An Act for the relief of Jean Ilene Buckley. 

An Act for the relief of Anna May Sergent. 

An Act for the relief of Karl Heinz Wunderlich. 

An Act for the relief of Margaret Anne Harvey. 

An Act for the relief of Josephine Isabella Geiger. 

An Act for the relief of Barbara Ann Wallace. 

An Act for the relief of Thelma Freeman. 

An Act for the relief of Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky. 

An Act for the relief of Aranka Ilona Berendy. 

An Act for the relief of Muriel Howarth Hulbig. 

An Act for the relief of Amy Sandra Glendinning. 

An Act for the relief of Dorothy Alice Usher. 

An Act for the relief of Suzanne Moreau. 

An Act for the relief of Phyllis Carol Johnston. 

An Act for the relief of Lillian Florence Catherine Hurst. 

An Act for the relief of Armand Gauthier. 

An Act for the relief of Maria Papadakis. 

An Act for the relief of Anna Luella Matthews. 

An Act for the relief of Dawn Dorothea Marsden. 

An Act for the relief of Donna Maureen Vincent. 

An Act for the relief of Therese Geraldeau. 

An Act for the relief of Gizella Ethel Bogoly. 

An x\ct for the relief of Simonne Michele Mona Bouchard. 

An Act for the relief of Therese Rivet. 

An Act for the relief of Irene Elizabeth Malloch. 

And Mr. Speaker also informed the House that he had addressed the 
Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 



380 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following 
bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964.' 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy of His 
Excellency the Governor General did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, 
and assents to this bill." 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Garland, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of National 
Revenue containing Statements relative to Customs-Excise Revenue and Other 
Services by Ports; Excise and Income of Canada, for the year ended March 31, 
1963, pursuant to section 5 of the Department of National Revenue Act, 
chapter 75, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Minister of Agriculture 
for Canada for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 6 of the 
Department of Agriculture Act, chapter 66, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hays, — Report of the Agricultural Stabilization Board for the year 
ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 14 of the Agricultural Stabilization 
Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1957-58. 

By Mr. Hays, — Report with respect to the Administration of the Agricul- 
tural Rehabilitation and Development Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 9, chapter 30, Statutes of Canada 1960-61. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Unemployment Insur- 
ance Advisory Committee for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 90(2) of the Unemployment Insurance Act, chapter 50, Statutes of 
Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the National Film Board of Canada for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 20(2) of the National Film Act, chapter 185, R.S.C., 1952, 
including the Report of the Auditor General on the Accounts of the Board. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated July 24, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, 
documents or notes, exchanged between the government, the President of the 
Privy Council, any member of the staff of the Privy Council office, the Com- 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 2nd AUGUST 381 

missioner or Deputy Commissioner of the National Centennial Administration 
or any employees thereof, and the Government of the Province of British 
Columbia, concerning the Centennial of Canada's Confederation. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 61). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 17, 1963, 
for a copy of all correspondence dated since April 22, 1963, received by the 
Minister of National Health and Welfare and officials of her Department related 
to the subject of cigarette smoking; and also a copy of all correspondence dated, 
since April 22, 1963, sent out by the Minister of National Health and Welfare 
and officials of her Department covering the same subject. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 54). 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Thirteenth Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2). 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Roger Bernard Angel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marie Yvonne 
Suzanne Boyer Angel. 

Sonja Swerzowa Bagry, wife of Ionaz Bagry of Montreal, Quebec. 

Therese Matte Beaudoin, wife of Robert Beaudoin of Quebec, Quebec. 

Paul-Aime Bedard of the Province of Quebec, husband of Jean Shirley 
Yvonne Carter Bedard. 

Kathleen Edna Hayden Belchem, wife of Ronald William Belchem of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Aranka Ilona Paris Berendy, wife of Bela Julius Berendy of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

June Grafton Blickstead, wife of Ralph Blickstead of Montreal, Quebec. 

Gizella Ethel Nagy Bogoly, wife of Louis Bogoly of Montreal, Quebec. 

Simonne Michele Mona Routier Bouchard, wife of Jacques Bouchard of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Anna Annette Elofer Brahmi, wife of Alfred Emile Isaac Brahmi of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Georgiana Bull Brasseur, wife of Robert Brasseur of Montreal, Quebec. 

James Robert Breslin of Pierrefonds, Quebec, husband of Mary Marlene 
Leona Beaudoin Breslin. 

Jean Ilene Woods Buckley, wife of Kenneth George Buckley of Chomedey, 
Quebec. 

Olga Antonina Safian Burkousky, wife of Joseph Marion Burkousky of 
Lachine, Quebec. 

Cecile Marcoux Caille, wife of Roland Caille of Montreal, Quebec. 

Rochelle Pleet Caplan, wife of Allan Steven Caplan of Montreal, Quebec. 

Robert Charles Chapman of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Mary Jane 
Griffin Chapman. 

Margaret Humphreys Clewes, wife of Richard Clewes of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie Raymonde Violetta Douillard Dalpe, wife of Donald Dalpe of Drum- 
mondville, Quebec. 

Patricia Beverley Lang Dimeo, wife of Alexander Hough Dimeo of Mont- 
real West, Quebec. 



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Marie Claire Rolande Laporte Dubois, wife of Lorenzo Dubois, of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marcheta Lino Griffith Edwards, wife of Gerald Willoughby Edwards of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Joyce Ethel Martin Empey, wife of John Franklyn Empey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Jean Alexandria MacPhail Etheridge, wife of Kenneth Charles Etheridge of 
St-Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 

Gwynneth Margaret MacLeod Forget, wife of Joseph Pierre Arsene Forget 
of Pierrefonds, Quebec. 

Alethea Arnold Fowler, wife of Irwin Fowler of Baldwins Mills, Quebec. 

Elizabeth Cowan Lecky Frawley, wife of Lawrence Patrick Frawley of 
Westmount, Quebec. 

Thelma Schuker Freeman, wife of Reuben Freeman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Haia (Clara) Weissman Fuchsman, wife of Iosif (Josif) Fuchsman of 
Chateauguay Gardens, Quebec. 

Armand Gauthier of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Suzanne Parent Gauthier. 

Josephine Isabella Irvine Geiger, wife of Eric A. Geiger of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Therese Lambert Genest, wife of Claude Genest of Westmount, Quebec. 

Therese Harnois Geraldeau, wife of Richard Geraldeau of Verdun, Quebec. 

Marie Emilia Rolande Bernier Gittens, wife of Kenneth Fitzgerald Gittens 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Amy Sandra Jaques Glendinning, wife of Gerald Ronald Glendinning of 
Hudson, Quebec. 

Gilles Graveline of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Marielle Demers Grave- 
line. 

Barbara Gladys George Gregory, wife of Marshall Donald Ward Gregory 
of Lake Selby, Quebec. 

Joan Marjorie Baker Gregor-Pearse, wife of Reginald Clive Gregor-Pearse 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Marie-Louise Bourassa Guay, wife of Jean-Marie Guay of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Julianna Barta Gulyas, wife of Zoltan Gulyas of Montreal, Quebec. 

Robert Harrison of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Jeanette Nolan 
Harrison. 

Margaret Anne Honey Harvey, wife of Edmund Gifford Harvey of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Edith Maksim Herman, wife of Thomas Joseph Herman of Prevost, Quebec. 

Patricia McKernan Hilton, wife of Brian Hilton of Montreal, Quebec. 

Dorothy Doreen Bertram Howell, wife of William Alfred Howell of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Muriel Howarth Bazley Hulbig, wife of William John Hulbig of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Lillian Florence Catherine Kaye Hurst, wife of Douglas Charles Hurst of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Robert Inglis, Junior, of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Dorothy Edith Dodd 
Inglis. 

Phyllis Carol Green Johnston, wife of William Johnston of Montreal, 
Quebec. 



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Karl Heinz Kerlikowsky of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Elisabeth Ingrid 
Lopinski Kerlikowsky. 

Anita Carpman Klaiman, wife of Raymond Klaiman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Joan Reid Studd Koken, wife of Bernd-Krafft Koken of Granby, Quebec. 

Dora Elfriede Elizabeth Christian Jacobi Kovacs, wife of Lajos Louis Kovacs 
of Montreal, Quebec. 

Eli Kraus of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Rita Rozin Kraus. 

Maurice Le Bel of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Yvonne Desalliers Le Bel. 

Maria Jeney Lenkei, wife of Francois Ferenc Lenkei (Leichtag) of Mont- 
real, Quebec. 

Ginette Ingrid Reiskind Leopold, wife of Monroe Paul Leopold of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Marsha Mendelman Liberman, wife of Saul Liberman of Montreal, Quebec. 

Sheila Izemberg Liebling, wife of Gilbert Liebling of Montreal, Quebec. 

Dorothy Estelle Gibbons Lord, wife of Richard Leslie Michael Lord of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Ella Jane Ward Lyon, wife of John Arthur Lyon of Montreal, Quebec. 

Frances Sheila Cashmore Madden, wife of Raymond Norman Madden of 
Ville LaSalle, Quebec. 

Irene Elizabeth Marchesseau Malloch, wife of Thomas Daniel Malloch of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

George Mantadakis of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Paraskevi Dogatzi 
Mantadakis. 

Soshy Judith Teicher Marcovitz, wife of Jessel (Jason) Benjamin Mar- 
covitz of Outremont, Quebec. 

Dawn Dorothea Armstrong Marsden, wife of Ross John Chambers Marsden 
of St. Eustache-sur-le-Lac, Quebec. 

Anna Luella Zacharias Matthews, wife of Ronald Rupert Matthews of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Monique Emond Mercure, wife of Pierre Mercure of Montreal, Quebec. 

Werner Burke Michelsen of Westmount, Quebec, husband of Irene Eliza- 
beth Moon Michelsen. 

Giselle Mir on Mignault, wife of Jean (Jack) Mignault of Montreal, Quebec. 

John Andrew Milne of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Doris Robertson 
Milne. 

Suzanne Piuze Moreau, wife of Charles Edouard Moreau of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Ruth Clark Moss, wife of Harry Moss of Montreal, Quebec. 

Vida Irene Louise Zwicker McCallum, wife of William Neil McCallum of 
Montreal, Quebec. 

Hugh O'Connor of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Kathleen West Taylor 
O'Connor. 

Maria Sirakis Papadakis, wife of George Papadakis of Montreal, Quebec. 

Virginia Ruth Baker Parmiter, wife of Douglas Parmiter of Ville LaSalle, 
Quebec. 

Edouard Pellerin of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Jeanne Salois Pellerin. 

Jean Guy Prud'Homme of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Aimee Lamon- 
tagne Prud'Homme. 

Evelyn Frances Jordon Rae, wife of Clifford Rae of Montreal, Quebec. 

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Olga Eizner Rapoport, wife of Harry Rapoport of Montreal, Quebec. 

Hale Calvin Reid of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Geraldine Margaret 
Ouellette Reid. 

Therese Murray Rivet, wife of Denis Rivet of Montreal, Quebec. 

Doris Elinor Champ Roberts, wife of John Gilbert Roberts of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Nellie Rosen Rothman, wife of Charles Rothman of Westmount, Quebec. 

William Joseph Rowe of St. John's, Newfoundland, husband of Joan Pauline 
Miller Rowe. 

Beverly Anne Bishop Runions, wife of Harold Kenneth Runions of Sher- 
brooke, Quebec. 

Kathleen Meades Ryan, wife of Albert George Ryan of Pointe-St. Charles, 
Quebec. 

Molly Cohen Sacks, wife of Melvin Sacks of Montreal, Quebec. 

Anna May Watts Sergent, wife of William Charles Ross Sergent of West- 
mount, Quebec. 

Ingeborg Koopmann Schmidt, wife of Walter Schmidt of Montreal, Quebec. 

Karl Heinz Schulte of the Province of Quebec, husband of Margot Rein 
Schulte. 

Jeannine Elizabeth Buchanan Sharpe, wife of Theodore Sharpe of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Sylvia Hopkins Socaransky, wife of Samuel Socaransky of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Eloise Warner Sonne, wife of Raymond Robert Sonne of Montreal, Quebec. 

Kenneth James Graham Tait of Ville St. Michel, Quebec, husband of Elsie 
Marguerite Joudrey Tait. 

Angelika Vysoky Tasler, wife of Edmund Tasler of Montreal, Quebec. 

Beverley Maron (Tratt) Trachtenberg, wife of Arthur (Tratt) Trachten- 
berg of Montreal, Quebec. 

Leo Paul Turcotte of Montreal, Quebec, husband of Henriette Leborgne 
Turcotte. 

Dorothy Alice Silver Usher, wife of Peter Joseph Usher of Montreal, 
Quebec. 

Donna Maureen Croteau Vincent, wife of Real Vincent of Longueuil, 
Quebec. 

Barbara Ann Tivy Wallace, wife of Kenneth William Wallace of St. Lam- 
bert, Quebec. 

Anton Welte of Longueuil', Quebec, husband of Christina (Mayer) Welte. 

Karl Heinz Wunderlich of St-Hyacinthe, Quebec, husband of Eike Foelsche 
Wunderlich. 



On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, the House was 
adjourned at 10.56 o'clock p.m., until Monday, September 30, 1963, at 2.30 
o'clock p.m., unless sooner convened, pursuant to the provisions of the Special 
Order made earlier this day. 



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No. 57 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



Prayers. 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 30th SEPTEMBER, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 



Before calling the Orders of the Day, I would crave the indulgence of 
honourable Members in order to permit me to make a statement on a situation 
which has developed since the adjournment of the House on August the 2nd. 

The problem with which the House is faced is a new one. May I be allowed 
to refer, in a chronological order, to certain correspondence by which I was 
apprised of the facts. 

On the 9th of September 1963, the honourable Member for Lapointe 
wrote me a letter to the effect that his party had chosen a new leader and 
claiming certain rights and privileges. 

On the 13th of September, the honourable Member for Red Deer wrote 
me a letter to the effect "that the separation of Mr. Real Caouette and his 
followers from the party poses several problems." 

On the 16th of September, the honourable Member for Villeneuve wrote 
me a letter reading in part as follows: 

«Depuis le l er septembre, notre mouvement est devenu un groupe 
national sous le vocable Ralliement des Creditistes.» 

On the 18th of September, the honourable Member for Winnipeg North 
Centre wrote me a letter reading in part "in view of recent developments it 
seems quite clear that the New Democratic party, with its seventeen Mem- 
bers, is now the third largest group in the House of Commons". Later on in 
the letter, he adds "since we are now the largest of the smaller parties we 
will expect to be seated immediately next to the Official Opposition". 

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386 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The events which have taken place and the correspondence in relation 
thereto (which I am prepared to lay on the Table if the House so desires) 
have given rise to a number of questions, among them is first the recognition 
of a new party and of its leader; secondly, the seating arrangements in the 
Chamber; then the question of the allowance to "the leader of a party that 
has a recognized membership of twelve or more persons in the House of Com- 
mons"; and following that the allocation of rooms, personnel, and other matters. 
I do not think it is necessary to deal with those problems at the moment, it 
is sufficient to mention them. 

"Party" as defined by Burke in the classical passage on the subject 
(Thoughts on the Causes of the Present Discontents.) is a body of men 
united for promoting the national interest on some particular principle in 
which they are all agreed. 

Have we a new party according to this definition and, if so, has this 
party been recognized by the House? To my mind this is a question for the 
House to decide. 

The question of third parties in itself is not a new one. After the last 
election, apart from the Liberal and Conservative parties, as all honourable 
Members know, there were recognized the Social Credit party and the New 
Democratic party. 

Third parties have existed continually in the House practically since 
1921. In 1921, there were 117 Liberals, 50 Conservatives, 66 Progressives and 
two other Members, independent and labour. This third party situation has 
continued throughout the years, that is after the elections of 1925, 1926, 1930, 
1935, 1940, 1945, 1949, 1953, 1957, 1958, 1962 and 1963. 

If the House is used to third parties, that is having a third and fourth 
party in the House, it will be admitted that it creates quite a new situation to 
have a third party divide into two sections or blocks a few months after a 
general election and during an adjournment of the House. 

I have already indicated some of the problems which are created by 
this unprecedented situation. There now remains to consider my position as 
Speaker of the House in connection with these recent events. 

The legal rights and duties of the Speaker are to be found in the Statutes 
of Canada, the Standing Orders of the House, in the constitutional and parlia- 
mentary authors and finally in the customs and precedents which have become 
constitutional conventions. 

According to Campion, the Speaker is the representative of the House 
itself, in its powers, proceedings and dignity and the chief characteristics 
attaching to the office of Speaker of the House of Commons are authority and 
impartiality. Campion states also that it is the duty of the Speaker to see that 
the House is properly constituted before it proceeds to business (page 249, 
Duties of the Speaker, Campion in May's 16th Edition.) 

It is in consequence among the duties of the Speaker to see that the 
Standing Orders of the House are followed in the course of its procedures 
and that the privileges of the House, once they have been denned and rec- 
ognized, are protected. It is also the duty of the Speaker to be impartial and 
removed from politics, which has already been my aim since, honourable Mem- 
bers, you did me the honour to elect me as your Speaker. 

Sir Erskine May (16th Edition, p. 42) has stated "that Parliamentary 
privilege is the sum of peculiar rights enjoyed by each House collectively as a 
constituent part of the High Court of Parliament, and by members of each 
House individually, without which they could not discharge their functions, 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 30th SEPTEMBER 387 

and which exceed those possessed by other bodies or individuals. Thus privi- 
lege, though part of the law of the land, is to a certain extent an exception 
from the ordinary law." 

Dawson, in his book on "The Government of Canada", writes: "The 
privileges, immunities and powers of the Houses of Parliament of Canada are 
thus potentially those of the British House of Commons, although their primary 
basis is statutory and not established custom and inherent right." 

In the Canadian House, questions of privilege take a wide range, but it 
may be stated in general terms that they refer to all matters affecting the 
rights and immunities of the House collectively, the rights of recognized parties, 
or to the position and conduct of members in their representative character. 
In this category may be placed questions affecting the recognition of a party, 
touching the seat or election of members, questions affecting the internal 
economy or proceedings of the House. 

If the Speaker is to take any notice of these privileges and at the same 
time to exercise the high degree of independence and impartiality which is 
justly expected of him, it is well that those privileges be first defined and 
decided by the House itself. Anson, in the "Law and Custom of the Constitu- 
tion", at page 130, as quoted by Beauchesne (4th Edition, page 94) says: 

"The House has always asserted the right to provide for the con- 
stitution of its own body, the right to regulate its own proceedings and 
the right to enforce its privileges." 

Allow me to refer once more to the special traditions that surround the 
Office of Speaker. While he is the servant of the House he is, at the same time, 
its spokesman and its symbol. His value to the House and its members con- 
tinues effectively only when the House assists him in every way to maintain 
his dignity and his impartiality and during my short term I have had the 
confidence of the House to the point where I know I can place myself and 
my problems in its hands. 

It seems to me that having in mind the authorities from Sir Erskine May 
to Lord Campion, from Bourinot to Beauchesne and from Anson to McGregor 
Dawson and many others, a situation such as that now facing the House must 
be resolved by the House itself. It is not one where the Speaker ought by 
himself to take a position where any group of members might feel that their 
interests as a group or a party have been prejudiced. Nor should the Speaker 
be put in the position where he must decide, to the advantage or to the dis- 
advantage of any group or party, matters affecting the character or existences 
of a party, for this surely would signify that the Speaker has taken what is 
almost a political decision, a decision where the question involves the rights 
and privileges of the House itself. 

I cannot conclude this statement without some reference to the significance 
of these events for the future of the definition and status of parties in this 
House. It is not my place to evaluate the significance of these matters for the 
future of the ever-changing structure and character of political parties, yet it 
is my duty, I believe, to bring to the House's attention the novel character 
of the situation now before it, and more particularly, the payment of allow- 
ances and the effect on the organization of Parliament and parties and of the 
work of this House that naturally must be reflected by the emergence from 
time to time of new groups that invite the House to accord them the status 
of parties. Profound constitutional questions arise — for example — can a group 
of Members which did not exist as a party at the time of the election of a 
Parliament be recognized as a party before it has submitted itself to the 
electorate? 



388 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Having indicated this new development to the House with its suggestive 
consequences, may I end my statement by relying upon the House to give me 
the necessary guidance required for the due administration of my duties in 
view of the issues presented to me by the letters from the honourable Members 
concerned and which have required me to make this statement today. 

For these reasons, I am of the opinion that the interests of the House, of 
members and of all parties will best be served if the questions raised by the 
honourable Members for Lapointe, Red Deer, Villeneuve and Winnipeg North 
Centre in the various letters addressed to me were referred at this time to 
the proper Committee for consideration and report so as to bring about a 
solution thereto. 

As Speaker, I shall carry out the orders of the House and apply such inter- 
pretations to the Rules of the House as the House itself may require of me. 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Douglas, moved, — That the matters raised 
in the statement made to the House this day by Mr. Speaker be referred to 
the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, and that the said Com- 
mittee be instructed to report its findings thereon to the House with all con- 
venient speed. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 1,036 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. Have one or several applications from the Town of East Angus in the 
constituency of Compton-Frontenac, been received for federal assistance in 
winter works projects and, if so, (a) for what projects, and what are the respec- 
tive amounts granted in each case (b) has the federal government received 
claims from the Provincial Auditor for payment of the federal share? 

2. Have one or several applications from the Town of Cookshire in the 
constituency of Compton-Frontenac been received for federal assistance in 
winter works projects and, if so (a) for what projects, and what are the re- 
spective amounts granted in each case (b) has the federal government received 
claims from the Provincial Auditor for payment of the federal share? 

3. Have one or several applications from other municipalities in the con- 
stituency of Compton-Frontenac been received and, if so (a) what municipali- 
ties (b) what were the works projects in each (c) what sums were granted in 
each case (d) were claims made by the Provincial Auditor for each of these 
cases? 

Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



No. 1,044 — Mr. Hamilton 

1. What is the total amount spent by the federal government on campsites 
and picnic grounds under all programs in the fiscal years 1957-58 to 1962-63 
and, of this, what amount was spent in each province? 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 30th SEPTEMBER 389 

2. What is the estimated number of camp grounds and picnic sites, by 
provinces, that have resulted from (a) the Trans-Canada Program and (b) 
the Winter Works Campground and Picnic Site Program? 

3. Is there any estimate, by provinces, of campground spaces that their pro- 
gram provided and, if so, what is the number by provinces? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,067 — Mr. Dinsdale 

1. What was the total dollar value of the tourist industry to the Canadian 
economy in 1962? 

2. What was the total grant made by the Government of Canada to the 
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in 1962? 

3. What role does the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation play in encour- 
aging the tourist industry through (a) its television facilities (b) its radio 
facilities and (c) its overseas transmissions? 

4. Does the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation have any plans to expand 
its tourist promotion activities? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



By unanimous consent, Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, 
moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to go forth- 
with into Committee of the Whole to consider the following proposed resolution 
which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Old Age 
Security Act to increase the pension under the said Act from $65 a month to 
$75 a month, effective October 1, 1963, and to increase the rate of Old Age 
Security tax from the present rate of 3% with a maximum of $90 to a rate of 
4% with a maximum of $120 on the taxable income of individuals, applicable 
to the 1964 and subsequent taxation years. 

Resolved, — That the House do go forthwith into Committee of the Whole 
to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to 
consider the said proposed resolution; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Notices of Motions) 
Item No. 12 having been called was, by unanimous consent, withdrawn. 



Items numbered 13, 14 and 15 having been called for the first time were 
allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



390 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Mcintosh, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the interest of the Western grain producers and their marketing 
agency should be under the jurisdiction of the Minister responsible for agri- 
cultural policies which have a direct effect upon the economic welfare of the 
Western grain producer; and that it is a retrograde step to place the Canadian 
Wheat Board — which has, in addition to its original role, the administration of 
cash advances, acreage payments, the issuing of permit books, and the quota 
allocation — under the Minister of Trade and Commerce who has no responsi- 
bility for domestic policies of direct interest of the Western grain producers. — 
(Notice of Motion No. 16). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Old Age Security Act, and progress having 
been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by com- 
mand of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of 
Mines and Technical Surveys for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant 
to section 10 of the Department of Mines and Technical Surveys Act, chapter 
73, R.S.C., 1952. (French). 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
National Research Council including the Report of the Medical Research 
Council, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 16(3) of the 
Research Council Act, chapter 239, and also the Report of Canadian Patents 
and Development Limited for the same period, certified by the Auditor 
General, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration 
Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member ■ of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Superintendent of Insurance for Canada, Volume I — Abstract of Statements 
of Insurance Companies in Canada, for the year ended December 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 9 of the Department of Insurance Act, chapter 70, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Agricultural Stabilization Board, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 14 of the Agricultural Stabilization Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Can- 
ada, 1957-58. (French). 

By Mr. Hays, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report of the Minister of Agriculture for Canada, for the year ended March 
31, 1962, pursuant to section 6 of the Department of Agriculture Act, chapter 
66, R.S.C., 1952. (French). 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 30th SEPTEMBER 391 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Proceed- 
ings under the Canada Water Conservation Assistance Act, for the year ended 
March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 8 of the said Act, chapter 21, Statutes of 
Canada, 1952-53. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, — Copy of Ordinances, chapters 2 to 31, made by the Com- 
missioner in Council of the Northwest Territories, assented to on July 18, 1963, 
pursuant to section 15 of the Northwest Territories Act, chapter 331, R.S.C. 
1952, as amended 1953-54, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 
1963-1223, dated August 14, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Laing, — Report of the Auditor General on the Examination of 
the Accounts and Financial Statements of the National Battlefields Commis- 
sion, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 12 of An Act 
respecting the National Battlefields at Quebec, chapter 57, Statutes of Canada 
1907-8, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, — Estimates of Expenditure and Budget of the National 
Battlefields Commission, for the year ending March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 
80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C, 1952, (English 
and French), together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-977, dated 
June 27, 1963, approving same. 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Administration of 
Allowances for Blind Persons in Canada, for the year ended March 31, 1962, 
pursuant to section 12 of the Blind Persons Act, chapter 17, R.S.C, 1952. 
(French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Administration of Allowances for Disabled Persons in Canada, 
for the year ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 12 of the Disabled 
Persons Act, chapter 55, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. (French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Administration of Old Age Assistance in Canada, for the year 
ended March 31, 1962, pursuant to section 12 of the Old Age Assistance Act, 
chapter 199, R.S.C, 1952. (French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return 
to an Order of the House, dated June 10, 1963, (Question No. 337) showing: 
1. Has the Crown, through the National Capital Commission or otherwise, 
acquired property on the East side of Sussex Street in the City of Ottawa, for 
the purpose of implementing the so-called "Mile of Living History" in con- 
nection with the Centennial Celebration of Confederation in 1967, and, if so, 
(a) have expropriation proceedings been taken to acquire the real estate in 
that area (b) how many properties have already been acquired, and what has 
been the cost of such acquisitions (c) how many properties remain to be 
acquired, and what is the estimated cost (d) is it the intention of the govern- 
ment to proceed with the plan and to restore the properties so acquired to 
their original appearance and use? 

2. What are the immediate plans of the government for the demolition of 
the properties owned by the Crown on the North side of Sussex, particularly, 
the Daly Building, the temporary buildings of the National Revenue Depart- 
ment and the block facing Notre Dame Basilica? 



392 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated June 26, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all telegrams, correspondence 
and other documents exchanged since April 21 between the Government of 
Canada and the Government of the Province of Quebec on the application of 
the provisions of the Unemployment Insurance Act to the non-permanent 
employees of the Department of Highways of the Province of Quebec. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 37). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated July 24, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, docu- 
ments or letters (not previously laid before this House) exchanged between 
the government, the Minister of National Defence, employees of the said 
Department, and the City of Vancouver or any Branch or Board thereof, rela- 
tive to that portion of R.C.A.F. Station, Vancouver, Kitsilano site, most recently 
leased to the City of Vancouver. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 63). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated July 24, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence and docu- 
ments exchanged between the Government of Canada or any of its agencies 
and American States and/or of minutes of proceedings of the meetings held 
between representatives of Canada or any of its accredited agencies and repre- 
sentatives of any other government in connection with the extension of unem- 
ployment insurance benefits to Canadians working in these American States. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 67). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 15, 1963, 
(Question No. 585) showing: 1. How many contracts has the Fuller Construc- 
tion Company of Ottawa received from government departments and agencies 
in the past six years; what were these contracts, and what was the value of 
each contract? 

2. Have complaints been made that this company has not been observing 
the federal government's wage and hour regulations and, if so, how many? 

3. How many of any such complaints have been investigated, and what 
were the results of these investigations? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 15, 1963, 
(Question No. 586) showing: 1. How many contracts has the H. J. MacFarland 
Construction Co. of Ottawa received from government departments and agencies 
in the past six years; what contracts were these, what was the value of each 
contract? 

2. Have complaints been .made that this company has not been observing 
the federal government's wage and hour regulations and, if so, how many? 

3. How many of any such complaints have been investigated and what 
were the results of these investigations? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 8, 1963, 
(Question No. 362) showing: 1. What was the total amount spent in public 
works for the constituency of Pontiac-Temiscamingue for each of the fiscal 
years 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62, and 1962-63? 

2. For what public works were these sums expended, giving for each fiscal 
year the amount spent on each individual project? 

3. What is the total amount to be spent for public works within the said 
constituency for the fiscal year 1963-64, giving for each project the nature of 
same and the sum to be spent thereupon? 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 30th SEPTEMBER 393 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated June 19, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all telegrams, letters and other 
correspondence exchanged between the Mayor of Montreal and the federal 
government since April 8, 1963, relating to the Montreal World's Fair. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 22). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Orders in 
Council, pursuant to section 21b of the Export Credits Insurance Act, chapter 
105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61, as follows: 

(1) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1370, dated September 12, 1963, authoriz- 
ing, under section 21a of the said Act, long-term financing by the Export 
Credits Insurance Corporation for the sale by Automatic Electric (Canada) 
Limited, Brockville, Ontario, of automatic telephone switching equipment to 
the Ministry of Posts of the State of Israel. 

(2) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1401, dated September 19, 1963, authoriz- 
ing, under section 21 of the said Act, contracts of insurance by the Export 
Credits Insurance Corporation for the sale of wheat and wheat flour to the 
Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. 

(3) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1221, dated August 14, 1963, authorizing, 
under section 21 of the said Act, contracts of insurance by the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation for the sale of approximately 100,000 metric tons of 
wheat to the Government of Poland. 

(4) Order in Council P.C. 1963-1308, dated September 4, 1963, amending 
Order in Council P.C. 1963-518, dated March 25, 1963, with respect to contracts 
of insurance by the Export Credits Insurance Corporation for the shipment 
of approximately 200,000 metric tons of wheat to the Republic of Yugoslavia. 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Dominion Bureau of 
Statistics, for the year ended March 31, 1963. (English and French). 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 58 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 1st OCTOBER, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Gregoire and Knowles be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Dionne and Howard respectively, on the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Old Age Security Act; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

Objection being taken in Committee to the decision of the Chairman (Mr. 
Lamoureux) on a point of order, and an appeal being made to the House; 

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair, and the Chairman of the Committee made 
the following Report: — 

"During the discussion in Committee of the Whole on the resolution to 
amend the Old Age Security Act, the Right Honourable the Leader of the 
Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker) moved the following amendment: 

That the said resolution be amended by striking out the words 
"effective October 1, 1963" in line 3 thereof, and substituting therefor 
"and this House asks that the government give consideration to making 
the payment of such additional pension to commence as of April 8, 
1963". 

"The Chairman ruled the amendment out of order on the ground that, 
if there were substance to the amendment as proposed, it was a charge on 
the Treasury and, therefore, it could not be proposed at such time. 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



"Whereupon the honourable Member for Winnipeg South Centre (Mr. 
Churchill) appealed to the House from this Ruling." 

The question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the Ruling of the Chair- 
man be confirmed?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 
division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Davis, 


Klein, 


Olson, 


Armstrong, 


Deachman, 


Lachance, 


Otto, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Denis, 


Laing, 


Ouellet, 


Wolfe), 


Deschatelets, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Patterson, 


Badanai, 


Drouin, 


Lamontagne, 


Pearson, 


Basford, 


Drury, 


Laverdiere, 


Pepin, 


Batten, 


Ethier, 


Leduc, 


Pickersgill, 


Bechard, 


Eudes, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


■ Pilon, 


Beer, 


Favreau, 


Jean), 


Richard, 


Benidickson, 


Forest, 


Loiselle, 


Rideout, 


Benson, 


Forgie, 


Macaluso, 


Rinfret, 


Berger, 


Foy, 


Macdonald, 


Robichaud, 


Blouin, 


Francis, 


MacEachen, 


Rochon, 


Boulanger, 


Garland, 


MacNaught, 


Rock, 


Byrne, 


Gelber, 


Mcllraith, 


Rouleau, 


Cameron (High 


Gendron, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Sauve, 


Park), 


Girouard, 


McMillan, 


Tardif, 


Cantin, 


Godin, 


McNulty, 


Teillet, 


Cardin, 


Granger, 


McWilliam, 


Temple, 


Caron, 


Gray, 


Marcoux, 


Thompson, 


Carter, 


Groos, 


Matheson, 


Tucker, 


Chapdelaine, 


Habel, 


Matte, 


Turner, 


Chevrier, 


Haidasz, 


Mitchell, 


Wahn, 


Choquette, 


Hahn, 


Moreau, 


Walker, 


Chretien, 


Harley, 


Morison, 


Watson 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Hellyer, 


Mullally, 


(Chateauguay- 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Honey, 


Munro, 


Huntingdon- 


Cowan, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Nicholson, 


Laprairie), 


Grossman, 


Kelly, 


O'Keefe, 


Whelan— 111. 


Cyr, 









Nays 







Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Cooper, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Madill, 


Alkenbrack, 


Danforth, 


Huron), 


Mandziuk, 


Balcer, 


Diefenbaker, 


Irvine, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Beaule, 


Dinsdale, 


Jones, 


Martineau, 


Belanger, 


Dionne, 


Jorgenson, 


Monteith, 


Bell, 


Doucett, 


Kennedy, 


Moore, 


Boutin, 


Douglas, 


Kindt, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Brewin, 


Enns, 


Knowles, 


North and 


Cadieu, 


Fane, 


Lamb, 


Victoria), 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


- Fisher, 


Laprise, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Cowichan- 


Forbes, 


Latulippe, 


Nasserden, 


The Islands), 


Gauthier, 


Loney, 


Nesbitt, 


Cantelon, 


Grafftey, 


Maclnnis, 


Nielsen, 


Caouette, 


Gregoire, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Noble, 


Chatterton, 


Gundlock, 


Macquarrie, 


Nugent, 


Churchill, 


Hales, 


McBain, 


Ormiston, 


Clancy, 


Hamilton, 


McCutcheon, 


Pascoe, 


Coates, 


Horner (Acadia), 


, Mcintosh, 


Paul, 



A.D. 1963 


TUESDAY, 


1st OCTOBER 




Perron, 


Rheaume, 


Southam, 


Webb, 


Pigeon, 


Ricard, 


Starr, 


Webster, 


Plourde, 


Rondeau, 


Stefanson, 


Weichel, 


Prittie, 


Scott, 


Stenson, 


Winch, 


Pugh, 


Simpson, 


Valade, 


Winkler— 90, 


Rapp, 


Smith, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


, 



397 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Old Age Security Act; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a letter, dated September 24, 1963, addressed to the Secre- 
tary of State by the Board of Broadcast Governors, concerning certain recom- 
mendations of the Board with respect to television licences, extension of alter- 
native Canadian television service, and budgeting for public broadcasting. 
(English and French). 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the consideration of Bill S-15, An Act to incor- 
porate The Good News Broadcasting Association of Canada; 

Mr. Enns, seconded by Mr. Moore, moved, — That the said Bill be recom- 
mitted to the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills for recon- 
sideration. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



Bill SD-5, An Act for the relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the 
third time and passed. 

Pursuant to Order made August 26, 1958, a Message was sent to the Senate 
to return to that House the evidence taken and the papers produced in respect 
of the foregoing divorce bill before the Senate Standing Committee on Divorce. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Ryan, seconded 
by Mr. Roxburgh, — That Bill S-28, An Act to incorporate Allstate Life In- 
surance Company of Canada, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



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The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Old Age Security Act; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

Objection being taken in Committee to the decision of the Chairman 
(Mr. Batten) on a point of order, and an appeal being made to the House; 

Mr. Deputy Speaker resumed the Chair, and the Chairman of the Com- 
mittee made the following Report: — 

"In Committee of the Whole, when the resolution to amend the Old Age 
Security Act was being considered, the honourable Member for Villeneuve 
(Mr. Caouette) proposed in amendment as follows: 

That the said resolution be amended by adding after the word 
"subsequent" the following words: "and this House requests that the 
government consider the advisability of lowering the age for old age 
pensions to 65 for all without a means test and to 60, with a means 
test". 

"The Chairman ruled the proposed amendment out of order on the 
grounds that it was irrelevant to the proposal before the Committee, that it 
extended the scope of the resolution, and also that it introduced a financial 
charge on the Treasury. 

"Whereupon the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) appealed 
to the House from this Ruling." 

The question being put by Mr. Deputy Speaker: "Shall the Ruling of the 
Chairman be confirmed?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 
division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Addison, 


Chatterton, 


Forest, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Aiken, 


Chevrier, 


Forgie, 


Jorgenson, 


Alkenbrack, 


Choquette, 


Foy, 


Kelly, 


Armstrong, 


Chretien, 


Francis, 


Kennedy, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Churchill, 


Garland, 


Kindt, 


Wolfe), 


Coates, 


Gelber, 


Klein, 


Badanai, 


Cooper, 


Gendron, 


Knowles, 


Balcer, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Godin, 


Lachance, 


Basford, 


Cowan, 


Grafftey, 


Laing, 


Bechard, 


Crossman, 


Granger, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Beer, 


Cyr, 


Gray, 


Lamb, 


Bell, 


Danforth, 


Greene, 


Lamontagne, 


Benidickson, 


Davis, 


Groos, 


Laniel, 


Benson, 


Deachman, 


Gundlock, 


Laverdiere, 


Berger, 


Denis, 


Habel, 


Leboe, 


Blouin, 


Deschatelets, 


Hahn, 


Loiselle, 


Boulanger, 


Dinsdale, 


Haidasz, 


Loney, 


B re win, 


Doucett, 


Hales, 


Macaluso, 


Byrne, 


Douglas, 


Hamilton, 


Macdonald, 


Cadieu, 


Drouin, 


Harley, 


Maclnnis, 


Cameron (High 


Emard, 


Hays, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Park) , 


Eudes, 


Hellyer, 


MacNaught, 


Cantelon, 


Fairweather, 


Herridge, 


MacRae, 


Cantin, 


Fane, 


Honey, 


McCutcheon, 


Cardin, 


Favreau, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Mcintosh, 


Caron, 


Fisher, 


Huron), 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Carter, 


Forbes, 


Irvine, 


McMillan, 



A.D. 1963 


TUESDAY, 1st OCTOBER 


39 


McNulty, 


Nasserden, 


Ricard, 


Temple, 


McWilliam, 


Nesbitt, 


Richard, 


Thompson, 


Madill, 


Nicholson, 


Rideout, 


Tucker, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Noble, 


Rinfret, 


Turner, 


Matheson, 


O'Keefe, 


Robichaud, 


Wahn, 


Matte, 


Olson, 


Rochon, 


Walker, 


Millar, 


Orlikow, 


Rock, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Mitchell, 


Ormiston, 


Rouleau, 


Watson 


Monteith, 


Otto, 


Ryan, 


(Chateauguay- 


Moore, 


Ouellet, 


Sauve, 


Huntingdon- 


Moreau, 


Pascoe, 


Simpson, 


Laprairie), 


Morison, 


Paul, 


Smith, 


Webb, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Pepin, 


Southam, 


Webster, 


North and 


Pickersgill, 


Starr, 


Weichel, 


Victoria), 


Pilon, 


Stefanson, 


Whelan, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Prittie, 


Stenson, 


Winch, 


Mullally, 


Pugh, 


Tardif, 


Winkler, 


Munro, 


Rapp, 


Teillet, 
Nays 
Messrs: 


Woolliams — 172. 


BeaulS, 


Clancy, 


Gregoire, 


Perron, 


Belanger, 


Dionne, 


Laprise, 


Plourde, 


Boutin, 


Gauthier, 


Latulippe, 


Rheaume, 


Caouette, 






Rondeau — 14. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Old Age Security Act, and further progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 



The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the months of July and August, 1963. 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Unemployment Insurance Commission, for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 95(2) of the Unemployment Insurance Act, chapter 50, 
Statutes of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated June 19, 1963, showing the total amount of elec- 
tion expenses on behalf of each candidate in the general election of April 8, 
1963, by constituencies, as indicated in the return respecting election expenses 
submitted by the official agent of each candidate, as required under the provi- 
sions of section 63 of The Canada Elections Act; and showing also the names 
of any candidates, by constituencies, on whose behalf election expense returns 
have not been submitted. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 28). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 3, 1963, 
for a copy of all directives or memoranda issued by the Department of 
National Revenue since June 13, 1963, explaining or interpreting any of the 



400 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

provisions of the budget presented on that date or any budgetary decisions 
made subsequent thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 44). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 3, 1963, 
for a copy of all directives or memoranda issued by the Department of National 
Revenue since June 13, 1963, dealing with procedures to be followed in claim- 
ing deductions for income tax purposes with respect to expense accounts. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 45). 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 2nd OCTOBER 401 

No. 59 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 2nd OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, 
as follows: 

GEORGES P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Supplementary 
Estimates (D) of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1964, and, in accordance with the provisions of The British 
North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates 
to the House of Commons. 
Government House, Ottawa. 



On motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, the Message of 
His Excellency together with the Supplementary Estimates (D), 1963-64, were 
referred to the Committee of Supply. 



Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Report by the Tariff Board, relative to the Investigation ordered by 
the Minister of Finance respecting Machinery and Equipment Used in the 
Mining Industry and in the Oil and Gas Industries, Volume I, Oilfield Equip- 
ment — Reference No. 130, (English and French), together with a copy of the 
transcript of the evidence presented at public hearings, pursuant to section 
6 of the Tariff Board Act, chapter 261, R.S.C., 1952. 



402 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Macaluso be substituted for that of Mr. Pilon on the Special 
Committee on Food and Drugs. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Thomas be substituted for that of Mr. Madill on the Standing 
Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Madill be substituted for that of Mr. Thomas on the Standing 
Committee on Agriculture and Colonization. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Caron be substituted for that of Mr. Brown on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-95, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, which was read the first 
time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Ricard, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-96, An Act respecting employment of Bilingual Persons in the Public 
Service and in Crown Corporations, which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Ormiston, seconded by Mr. Rapp, by leave of the House, on division, 
introduced Bill C-97, An Act to adopt a National Flag (Canadian Red Ensign), 
which was read the first time, on division, and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to amend the National Centennial Act to change its 
short title from the National Centennial Act to the Centennial of Confedera- 
tion Act and to change the title of the National Centennial Administration to 
that of the Centennial Commission; to provide also that the Centennial Com- 
mission shall consist of a Commissioner, an Associate Commissioner and not 
more than twelve directors in lieu of eight directors and to provide further 
for certain administrative changes in connection therewith. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 2nd OCTOBER 403 

Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Sharp, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Railway Act, 
chapter 40 of the statutes of 1958, as amended by chapter 35 of the statutes of 
1960, to permit certain grants to be made from the Railway Grade Crossing 
Fund for a further period of three years beyond January 31, 1964. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Sharp, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the St. Lawrence 
Seaway Authority Act to provide that the Authority, with the approval of the 
Governor in Council, may from time to time borrow money from Her Majesty 
or otherwise to an aggregate that shall not exceed at any time $535,000,000.00 
in lieu of $345,000,000.00 which it is already authorized to borrow by section 13 
of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Sharp, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Aeronautics Act 
to authorize the Governor in Council to make regulations prescribing charges for 
the use of any facility or service provided by or on behalf of the Minister of 
Transport for or in respect of aircraft or at an airport and to make such reg- 
ulations as he deems necessary to impose upon the owners or operators, 
wherever resident, of any aircraft, charges for the availability during any 
flights of such aircraft within or outside Canada of any facility or service 
provided by or on behalf of the Minister; to provide also for the payment of 
certain expenses of witnesses attending before boards of inquiry established by 
the Minister to investigate aircraft accidents; and to make certain other amend- 
ments for the better administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Mr. Chevrier, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Admiralty Act 
to permit the Governor in Council to authorize the payment of a salary not 
exceeding four hundred dollars per annum to a Surrogate Judge in Admiralty 
and a salary not exceeding three hundred dollars per annum to a Registrar in 
Admiralty. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



404 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Sharp, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Canadian Over- 
seas Telecommunication Corporation Act to extend the co-ordination of Canada's 
external telecommunication services to include co-ordination with nations out- 
side the British Commonwealth; to increase the number of directors of the 
Corporation by two; to provide for the appointment and salaries of Vice- 
Presidents; and to provide further for certain consequential changes in con- 
nection with the administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House 
do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the follow- 
ing proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the placing 
of the Maritime Transportation Unions of Canada under the management and 
control of trustees; to provide for the establishment of the Board of Trustees 
of the Maritime Transportation Unions consisting of a chairman and two other 
members; to provide for the payment of their remuneration and expenses and 
to authorize the employment and remuneration of such personnel as may be 
necessary for the carrying out of the duties and powers of the Trustees under 
the said measure. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 477— Mr. Valade 
How many of the present Ministers of the Crown were employees of the 
federal Public Service; who are they, and what position did each one hold? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No'. 690— Mr. Howard 

What action, in detail, has been taken with respect to each of the following 
recommendations of the Joint Committee of the Senate and the House of Com- 
mons on Indian Affairs: 

"(a) Education is the key to the full realization by Indians of self-deter- 
mination and self-government. 

(b) Education of Indian children in schools under the jurisdiction of the 
provinces should be continued and expanded. 

(c) Kindergarten facilities for Indian children should be provided. 

(d) The provincial authorities should be approached to ensure that a more 
comprehensive and accurate account of the Indian people is used and described 
in history courses and texts. 

(e) Agreements should be entered into with provincial authorities to extend 
adult education facilities to Indians with the program expanded. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 2nd OCTOBER 405 

(f) Travelling library facilities to Indian communities should be expanded 
wherever possible. 

(g) Academic upgrading and social orientation courses to prepare young 
Indians for placement or specialized training should be greatly expanded. 

(h) Full support and encouragement should be given to formation of Home 
and School or Parent-Teacher Associations. 

(i) The fullest possible encouragement and incentive should be given to 
Indian children to go as far as they can in school. 

(j) In addition to an intensive educational program, the economic oppor- 
tunities and environment of the Indian people should be developed. 

(k) The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and other agencies should 
prepare factual presentations of the Indians' way of life and their contribution 
to the development of Canada."? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,096 — Mr. Rheaume 

1. What Territorial construction projects including roads are planned for 
the 1963-64 fiscal year in (a) Mackenzie District and (b) Fort Smith area? 

2. How many of these projects for each of the above areas will be carried 
out by (a) Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources and (b) 
private contractors? 

Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, for Mr. Laing, 
presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 62, 64, 65, and 84) 
having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all replies of any kind given by the 
Prime Minister or other cabinet ministers to representations made by the 
Retired Canada Railway Employees Association, Incorporated, to the Prime 
Minister in August 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 76). 



On motion of Mr. Lambert, seconded by Mr. Fane, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, re- 
ports, briefs and memoranda, and any replies thereto, received by the Minister 
of National Defence, the Minister of Transport, or any Minister of the govern- 
ment or any government official, from the Cities of Edmonton, Calgary and 
Red Deer, any civic organizations therefrom or any other interested parties, 
since January 1st, 1963 to date, relative to the projected use of R.C.A.F. 
Station Penhold, Alberta, for a jet training base of the Department of National 
Defence. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 81). 



On motion of Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. MacLean (Queens), it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters and replies 
thereto that passed between Hal Banks and/or other officials of the S.I.U., and 



406 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



any member of the Government or any official of a government department, 
since the 12th of April last. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 83). 



Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved, — That an humble 
Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid 
before this House a copy of the recent agreement on nuclear weapons entered 
into between the Government of Canada and the United States of America. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 85). 



And the question being put on the said motion, 
folowing division: 

Yeas 



it was negatived on the 







Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Dionne, 


Lambert, 


Fascoe, 


Alkenbrack, 


Doucett, 


Laprise, 


Paul, 


Balcer, 


Douglas, 


Latulippe, 


Perron, 


Beaule, 


Enns, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Pigeon, 


Belanger, 


Fane, 


Jean), 


Plourde, 


Bell, 


Fisher, 


Loney, 


Prittie, 


Bigg, 


Forbes, 


Maclnnis, 


Pugh, 


Boutin, 


Gauthier, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rapp, 


Brewin, 


Grafftey, 


Macquarrie, 


Rheaume, 


Cadieu, 


Gregoire, 


McBain, 


Ricard, 


Cameron (Nanaimo 


- Gundlock, 


McCutcheon, 


Rondeau, 


Cowichan-The 


Hales, 


Mcintosh, 


Scott, 


Islands), 


Hamilton, 


Madill, 


Simpson, 


Cantelon, 


Herridge, 


Mandziuk, 


Southam, 


Caouette, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Marcoux, 


Starr, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Howe (Wellington- Monteith, 


Stefanson, 


Chatterton, 


Huron), 


Moore, 


Stenson, 


Churchill, 


Irvine, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Thomas, 


Cooper, 


Jones, 


Nasserden, 


Vincent, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Jorgenson, 


Nesbitt, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Danforth, 


Kennedy, 


Noble, 


Webster, 


Diefenbaker, 


Kindt, 


Nugent, 


Weichel, 


Dinsdale, 


Knowles, 


Orlikow, 


Winch, 




Lamb, 


Ormiston, 
Nays 
Messrs: 


Winkler— 91. 


Addison, 


Cameron (High 


Deschatelets, 


Groos, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Park), 


Drouin, 


Habel, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Cantin, 


Dupuis, 


Haidasz, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Cardin, 


Emard, 


Hahn, 


Wolfe), 


Caron, 


Ethier, 


Harley, 


Badanai, 


Carter, 


Eudes, 


Hays, 


Basford, 


Chevrier, 


Favreau, 


Hellyer, 


Batten, 


Choquette, 


Forest, 


Honey, 


Bechard, 


Chretien, 


Forgie, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Beer, 


Cote (Longueuil) 


, Francis, 


Kelly, 


Benidickson, 


Cowan, 


Garland, 


Klein, 


Benson, 


Grossman, 


Gelber, 


Lachance, 


Berger, 


Cyr, 


Gendron, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Blouin, 


Davis, 


Godin, 


Lamontagne, 


Boulanger, 


Deachman, 


Gray, 


Lamoureux, 


Byrne, 


Denis, 


Greene, 


Laverdiere, 



A.D. 1963 


WEDNES1 


DAY, 2nd OCTOBEI 


I 


Leboe, 


Matheson, 


Fearson, 


Tardif, 


Leduc, 


Matte, 


Pepin, 


Teillet, 


Loiselle, 


Mitchell, 


Pickersgill, 


Temple, 


Macaluso, 


Moreau, 


Pilon, 


Thompson, 


Macdonald, 


Morison, 


Richard, 


Tucker, 


MacEachen, 


Mullally, 


Rideout, 


Walker, 


MacNaught, 


Munro, 


Rinfret, 


Watson 


Mcllraith, 


Nicholson, 


Robichaud, 


(Chateauguay' 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, O'Keefe, 


Rochon, 


Huntingdon- 


McMillan, 


Olson, 


Rock, 


Laprairie), 


McNulty, 


Otto, 


Ryan, 


Whelan— 105. 


McWilliam, 


Patterson, 


Sharp, 





407 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Old Age Security Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Old 
Age Security Act to increase the pension under the said Act from $65 a month 
to $75 a month, effective October 1, 1963, and to increase the rate of Old Age 
Security tax from the present rate of 3% with a maximum of $90 to a rate of 
4% with a maximum of $120 on the taxable income of individuals applicable 
to the 1964 and subsequent taxation years. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, pre- 
sented Bill C-98, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to amend the Technical and Vocational Training 
Assistance Act, and progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 



(Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 13 under this heading having been called a second time was, by 
unanimous consent, allowed to stand and retain its position on the Order 
Paper. 

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Mr. Nesbitt, seconded by Mr. Bell, moved, — That in the opinion of this 
House, the government should take into consideration the establishment of 
appropriate measures to encourage the employment of persons over the age 
of forty in business and in industry. — (Notice of Motion No. 14). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of Press 
Release, issued August 16, 1963, by the Office of the Prime Minister of Canada, 
regarding the Agreement reached with the United States of America concern- 
ing Nuclear Warheads (English and French), together with copy of the Text 
of the Prime Minister's Press Conference of August 16, 1963, on Nuclear War- 
heads Agreement. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Consoli- 
dated Index and Table of Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the 
Canada Gazette, Part II, for the period January 1, 1955 to June 30, 1963. (Eng- 
lish and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Copies of Statutory Orders and Regulations pub- 
lished in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednesday, August 14, August 28, 
September 11 and 25, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 3rd OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Ryan, seconded 
by Mr. Roxburgh, — That Bill S-28, An Act to incorporate Allstate Life In- 
surance Company of Canada, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-21, An Act with 
respect to Hospital and University Sweepstakes; 

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Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Ricard, moved, — That the said Bill be now- 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report for 1962 
of the Board of Grain Commissioners for Canada. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated July 10, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General, for 
a copy of all correspondence, letters and telegrams exchanged between the 
Department of Transport and the Government of Quebec on the acquisition of 
Soulanges Canal. — (Notice oj Motion for the Production of Papers No. 49). 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 61 

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HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 4th OCTOBER, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Caron, from the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be authorized to print, from day to 
day, 800 copies in English and 400 copies in French of its Minutes of Proceed- 
ings and Evidence, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Miss Jewett, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-1473, dated October 4, 1963, reappointing 
Donald Gordon, Esquire, President of the Canadian National Railway Com- 
pany, a Director and Chairman of the Board of Directors of the said Company; 
and Exchange of Letters dated September 14, October 2 and 3, 1963, between 
the Prime Minister of Canada and the President of Canadian National Rail- 
ways, including a Memorandum, relating to Mr. Gordon's reappointment, 
employment of French Canadians and bilingualism in the Company (English 
and French). 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Cote (Chicoutimi) for Mr. Marcoux, seconded 
by Mr. Ouellet, by leave of the House, introduced Bill C-99, An Act to amend 
An Act to amend the Senate and House of Commons Act and the Members of 
Parliament Retiring Allowances Act, which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



412 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-39, An Act to amend the National Harbours Board 
Act, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day or at the next sitting of the House, as the case may be. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the Second Reading of Bill C-22, An Act to 
amend the Department of State Act; 

Mr. Speaker, having decided that the bill proposed an expenditure of 
public money, ruled that it could not be introduced by a Private Member and 
was, therefore, out of order. 



Orders numbered 4 to 72 inclusive having been severally called were 
allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Private Members' Business having been exhausted; 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 

At 6.05 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 62 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 7th OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That, until the pro- 
ceedings on the interim supply resolution, now before the House, and on the 
supply bill to be based thereon have been disposed of, the provisions of section 
(3) of Standing Order 6 concerning the time of evening adjournment shall 
be suspended; and that, in order to allow for several readings of the said supply 
bill in any sitting, the provisions of Standing Order 75 shall be suspended in 
relation thereto; 

Provided that, if any other government order is taken in any such sitting, 
the terms of this order shall not be operative. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. Lambert, proposed in amendment thereto, — 
That, all the words after "That" in line 1 be struck out and the following 
substituted therefor: 

"in order to facilitate the proceedings on the Interim Supply Resolution 
now before the House, and on the Supply Bill to be based thereon, the matters 
in dispute which the House has not yet resolved and which were referred to 
the Committee on Privileges and Elections on Monday, September 30th, 1963, 
be determined and to that end the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elec- 
tions shall be empowered to sit while this House is sitting, and, effective on 
the adoption of this Resolution, shall immediately resume its sittings and shall 
sit daily and shall direct its attention to making a final report to this House 
on the said matters within forty-eight hours." 



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Mr. Speaker ruled the proposed amendment out of order on the grounds 
that it was beyond the scope of the main motion; that it was in the nature of 
a substantive motion which required notice; and that it was in effect an 
instruction to a Standing Committee. 

Whereupon the honourable member for Winnipeg South Centre (Mr. 
Churchill) appealed to the House from this Ruling. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 



Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Dube, 


Laverdiere, 


Pennell, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Dupuis, 


Leboe, 


Pepin, 


Wolfe), 


Emard, 


Leduc, 


Pickersgill, 


Badanai, 


Ethier, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- Pilon, 


Basford, 


Favreau, 


Jean), 


Regan, 


Batten, 


Forgie, 


Lloyd, 


Richard, 


Bechard, 


Francis, 


Macaluso, 


Rideout, 


Beer, 


Garland, 


Macdonald, 


Rinfret, 


Benson, 


Girouard, 


MacEachen, 


Robichaud, 


Berger, 


Godin, 


MacNaught, 


Rochon, 


Blouin, 


Gordon, 


Mcllraith, 


Rouleau, 


Boulanger, 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Sauve, 


Byrne, 


Greene, 


McNulty, 


Sharp, 


Cantin, 


Guay, 


McWilliam, 


Tardif, 


Cardin, 


Habel, 


Martin (Essex 


East),Teillet, 


Caron, 


Haidasz, 


Matheson, 


Temple, 


Chapdelaine, 


Hahn, 


Matte, 


Thompson, 


Chevrier, 


Harley, 


Moreau, 


Tremblay, 


Cowan, 


Hays, 


Morison, 


Tucker, 


Crossman, 


Honey, 


Mullally, 


Turner, 


Cyr, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Nicholson, 


Wahn, 


Davis, 


Klein, 


O'Keefe, 


Walker, 


Deachman, 


Laing, 


Olson, 


Watson 


Denis, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Ouellet, 


(Chateauguay 


Deschatelets, 


Lamoureux, 


Patterson, 


Huntingdon- 


Drouin, 


Laniel, 


Pearson, 


Laprairie), 


Drury, 






Wh elan— 101. 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Aiken, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Bell, 

Boutin, 

Brewin, 

Cadieu, 

Cameron (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 
Cantelon, 



Caouette, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chatterton, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 



Dionne, 

Doucett, 

Douglas, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fisher, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Forbes, 
Gauthier, 
Gregoire, 



Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Hamilton, 

Harkness, 

Herridge, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Howard, 

Irvine, 

Jones, 

Jorgenson, 

Knowles, 



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Y, 7th OCTOBER 


415 


Lamb, 


Millar, 


Pascoe, 


Smallwood, 


Lambert, 


Monteith, 


Perron, 


Southam, 


Laprise, 


Moore, 


Peters, 


Starr, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Pigeon, 


Stefanson, 


Macquarrie, 


Nasserden, 


Plourde, 


Stenson, 


MacRae, 


Nesbitt, 


Prittie, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


McBain, 


Nielsen, 


Pugh, 


Webb, 


Mcintosh, 


Noble, 


Rapp, 


Webster, 


Madill, 


Nowlan, 


Rheaume, 


Weichel, 


Mandziuk, 


Nugent, 


Ricard, 


Willoughby, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Orlikow, 


Rondeau, 


Winkler— 88. 


Martineau, 


Ormiston, 


Simpson, 





And debate continuing on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded 
by Mr. Chevrier, — That, until the proceedings on the interim supply resolution, 
now before the House, and on the supply bill to be based thereon have been 
disposed of, the provisions of section (3) of Standing Order 6 concerning the 
time of evening adjournment shall be suspended; and that, in order to allow 
for several readings of the said supply bill in any sitting, the provisions of 
Standing Order 75 shall be suspended in relation thereto; 

Provided that, if any other government order is taken in any such sitting, 
the terms of this order shall not be operative. 

The said debate was, on the motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. 
Barnett, adjourned. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Walker, 
it was ordered, — That the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections be 
empowered to sit while the House is sitting. 



Mr. Noble, seconded by Mr. Doucett, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-100, An Act to amend the Combines Investigation Act (Captive Sales 
Financing), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at 
the next sitting of the House. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-39, An Act to amend the National Harbours Board Act. — Mr. 
Mcllraith. 



\At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) ] 



(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Bell, seconded by Mr. MacRae, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, it is expedient that Her Majesty's Government consider the advisability 
of appointing commissioners under Part I of the Inquiries Act: 

(a) to inquire into the extent of winter navigation on the St. Lawrence River 
and its effect on the Atlantic provinces; 

(b) to determine whether such action is in accord with the original spirit and 
mutual pledges of cooperation in which Confederation was conceived; 

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416 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

(c) to make such recommendations as they deem appropriate having regard to 
forging a dynamic national policy with particular respect to air, sea and 
land transportation in which the future of every region will be fully 
utilized with maximum benefits to that region. — (Notice of Motion No. 13). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $747,449,955.03, being the aggre- 
gate of — 

(a) two- twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in 
the Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before the 
House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, except Fisheries 
Item 45, Northern Affairs and National Resources Item 10 and Public Works 
Items 20 and 190 for which the proportion is one-twelfth and except Atomic 
Energy Item 5, External Affairs Item 107 and Loans, Investments and Advances 
Item L20 for which no proportion is requested, $640,449,276.00; 

(b) an additional three-twelfths of the amount of Transport Item 35, 
$820,000,000; 

(c) an additional two-twelfths of the amount of Agriculture Item 50, 
$178,833.34; 

(d) an additional one-twelfth of the amounts of Agriculture Items 25, 100 
and 145, Citizenship and Immigration Item 30, Transport Item 10, of the said 
Estimates, $3,583,608.34; 

(e) two- twelfths of the total of the amounts of the Items set forth in 
the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, 
laid before the House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, except 
External Affairs Item 96a, Finance Item 5a, Northern Affairs and National 
Resources Item 110a, and Loans, Investments and Advances Items L13a and 
L63a, $48,103,070.00; 

(/) an additional three- twelfths of the amount of External Affairs Item 
117a, $84,240.00; 

(g) an additional two-twelfths of the amount of External Affairs Item 
116a, $280,800.00; 

(h) two- twelfths of the amount of the Item set forth in the Supplemen- 
tary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before 
the House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $1,166,666.67; 

(i) two-twelfths of the amount of the Item set forth in the Supplementary 
Estimates (C) for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before the 
House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $3,333,333.34; 



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(j) eight-twelfths of the amounts of the Items set forth in the Supple- 
mentary Estimates (D) for the fiscal year ending March 31st, 1964, laid before 
the House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, $49,444,457.34; 

(k) an additional three- twelfths of the amount of External Affairs Item 
117d, $5,670.00; 

be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending March 31st, 
1964. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
March 31st, 1964, the sum of $747,449,955.03, be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the Resolution concurred in this day 
in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-101, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for 
the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964, which 
was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 63 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 8th OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 



One petition for a Private Bill was presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 



Mr. Sauve, from the Special Committee on Defence, presented the Second 
Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to sit while the House 
is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Sauve, seconded by Mr. Lambert, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



By unanimous consent, the Order for resuming the adjourned debate on 
the following motion of the Secretary of State, appearing under "Routine 
Proceedings", was discharged: 

"That, until the proceedings on the interim supply resolution, now before 
the House, and on the supply bill to be based thereon have been disposed of, 
the provisions of section (3) of Standing Order 6 concerning the time of 
evening adjournment shall be suspended; and that, in order to allow for several 
readings of the said supply bill in any sitting, the provisions of Standing Order 
75 shall be suspended in relation thereto; 

"Provided that, if any other government order is taken in any such sitting, 
the terms of this order shall not be operative." 



420 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-98, An Act to amend 
the Old Age Security Act; 

Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 3 were allowed to stand at the request of the gov- 
ernment. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-24, An Act to pro- 
vide for the Establishment of a Hospital Sweepstakes Board; 

Mr. Horner (Acadia), seconded by Mr. Winkler, moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The Hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

8th October, 1963. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 8th October, at 9.45 
p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Miss LaMarsh, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Bill C-98, An Act to amend the Old Age Security 
Act, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 8th OCTOBER 421 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-101, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1964. 

A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable 
the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 
His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bill: 

An Act for the relief of Madeleine Francoise Hankowski. 

And Mr. Speaker also informed the House that he had addressed the 
Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following 
bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964.' 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy of His 
Excellency the Governor General did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy of His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, 
and assents to this bill." 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Chevrier, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of the 
Canada Gazette, Part I, dated September 28, 1963, containing Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-1380, dated September 19, 1963, approving amendments made on 
August 9, 1963, to the General Rules and Orders regulating the Practice 
and Procedure in Admiralty cases in the Exchequer Court of Canada, pursuant 
to section 31(4) of the Admiralty Act, chapter 1, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 9th OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Caron, from the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, 
presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Pursuant to the Order of Reference of September 30th, 1963, ordering: 

"That the matters raised in the statement made to the House this 
day by Mr. Speaker be referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections, and that the said Committee be instructed to report its 
findings thereon to the House with all convenient speed," 
the Committee held four meetings to consider the said matters referred to it. 

The Committee recommends: 

1. That the New Democratic Party occupy the seats next to the official 
Opposition on the left side of the Speaker. 

2. That the members of the Social Credit Party occupy the seats next to 
the New Democratic Party on the left side of the Speaker. 

3. That the members of the group under the leadership of Mr. Caouette 
occupy the seats on the left of the Social Credit Party. 

4. That the question of the privileges to be enjoyed by the group under 
the leadership of Mr. Real Caouette be referred to the Parliamentary Counsel 
of the House of Commons for study and report to the Speaker. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. McMillan, Whelan, and Baldwin be substituted for 
those of Messrs. Francis, Godin, and Skoreyko respectively on the Standing 
Committee on Public Accounts. 



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On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Clancy be substituted for that of Mr. Horner (The 
Battlefords) on the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Nielsen be substituted for that of Mr. Irvine on the Standing 
Committee on Mines, Forests and Waters. 



The honourable Member for Villeneuve (Mr. Caouette) having risen to 
comment with regard to a ministerial statement; 

The Chair stated that in recognizing the honourable Member it would, 
in effect, be deciding upon a question which had been referred to the Stand- 
ing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

The honourable Member for Villeneuve having again risen to claim the 
right to speak; 

Mr. Speaker went on to say that, until the House gave formal instructions 
concerning the honourable gentleman's position in the House, he was bound 
by the facts as they exist. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) appealed 
to the House from this Ruling. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Addison, 
Aiken, 
Alkenbrack, 
Asselin (Richmond- 
Wolfe), 
Badanai, 
Balcer, 
Baldwin, 
Basford, 
Batten, 
Bechard, 
Beer, 
Bell, 

Benidickson, 
Benson, 
Berger, 
Bigg, 
Blouin, 
Boulanger, 
Byrne, 
Cadieu, 
Cameron (High Park) 



Cantelon, 

Cantin, 

Cardiff, 

Cardin, 

Caron, 

Chapdelaine, 

Chatterton, 

Chevrier, 

Chretien, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Cote (Chicoutimi), 

Cote (Lrongueuil), 

Cowan, 

Crossman, 

Crouse, 

Cyr, 

Danforth, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 



Denis, 

Deschatelets, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Drury, 

Dube, 

Dupuis, 

Emard, 

Enns, 

Ethier, 

Eudes, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Forbes, 
Forest, 
Francis, 
Frenette, 
Garland, 
Gelber, 



Gendron, 

Girouard, 

Godin, 

Gordon, 

Grafftey, 

Granger, 

Gray, 

Greene, 

Habel, 

Hahn, 

Hales, 

Hamilton, 

Harkness, 

Harley, 

Hays, 

Hellyer, 

Honey, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Horner (The 
Battlefords), 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 



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425 


Irvine, 


Mcllraith, 


Otto, 


Slogan, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Mcintosh, 


Ouellet, 


Smallwood, 


Jones, 


McMillan, 


Pascoe, 


Southam, 


Jorgenson, 


McNulty, 


Patterson, 


Starr, 


Klein, 


McWilliam, 


Paul, 


Stefanson, 


Korchinski, 


Madill, 


Pearson, 


Stenson, 


Laing, 


Mandziuk, 


Pennell, 


Tardif, 


Lamb, 


Marcoux, 


Pepin, 


Teillet, 


Lambert, 


Martineau, 


Pickersgill, 


Temple, 


Lamontagne, 


Matheson, 


Pigeon, 


Thompson, 


Lamoureux, 


Matte, 


Pilon, 


Tremblay, 


Laniel, 


Millar, 


Pugh, 


Tucker, 


Laverdiere, 


Monteith, 


Rapp, 


Turner, 


Leboe, 


Moore, 


Regan, 


Valade, 


Leduc, 


Moreau, 


Rheaume, 


Vincent, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Ricard, 


Wahn, 


Jean), 


Mullally, 


Richard, 


Walker, 


Lloyd, 


Munro, 


Rideout, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Loiselle, 


Nasserden, 


Rinfret, 


Watson 


Loney, 


Nesbitt, 


Robichaud, 


(Chateauguay- 


Macdonald, 


Nicholson, 


Rochon, 


Huntingdon- 


MacEachen, 


Nielsen, 


Rock, 


Laprairie), 


MacEwan, 


Noble, 


Rouleau, 


Webb, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Nowlan, 


Ryan, 


Weichel, 


MacNaught, 


Nugent, 


Rynard, 


Whelan, 


Macquarrie, 


O'Keefe, 


Sauve, 


Willoughby, 


MacRae, 


Olson, 


Sharp, 


Winkler, 


McBain, 


Ormiston, 


Simpson, 
Nays 
Messrs: 


Woolliams — 192. 


Barnett, 


Caouette, 


Howard, 


Perron, 


Beaule, 


Dionne, 


Knowles, 


Peters, 


Belanger, 


Douglas, 


Langlois, 


Plourde, 


Boutin, 


Fisher, 


Laprise, 


Prittie, 


Brewin, 


Gauthier, 


Latulippe, 


Rondeau, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gregoire, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Webster, 


Cowichan-The 


Herridge, 


Orlikow, 


Winch— 27. 


Islands), 









Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Rondeau, moved, — That the House adjourn 
until such time as all the rights and privileges of all the Members of the 
House are recognized. 

Mr. Speaker ruled the motion out of order on the grounds of its generality 
of terms; that its nature was that of a grievance; and that the matter referred 
to was under consideration at the present time; 

Whereupon the honourable member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) appealed 
to the House from this Ruling. 



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And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 
Messrs: 



Addison, 


Doucett, 


Lamontagne, 


Pepin, 


Aiken, 


Douglas, 


Lamoureux, 


Peters, 


Alkenbrack, 


Drury, 


Laniel, 


Pickersgill, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Dube, 


Laverdiere, 


Pigeon, 


Wolfe), 


Dupuis, 


Leboe, 


Pilon, 


Badanai, 


Emard, 


Leduc, 


Prittie, 


Balcer, 


Enns, 


Lloyd, 


Pugh, 


Baldwin, 


£thier, 


Loiselle, 


Rapp, 


Barnett, 


Eudes, 


Loney, 


Regan, 


Basford, 


Fairweather, 


Macdonald, 


Rheaume, 


Batten, 


Fane, 


MacEachen, 


Ricard, 


Bechard, 


Fisher, 


MacEwan, 


Richard, 


Beer, 


Fleming, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rideout, 


Bell, 


Forbes, 


MacNaught, 


Rinfret, 


Benidickson, 


Forest, 


Macquarrie, 


Robichaud, 


Benson, 


Foy, 


MacRae, 


Rochon, 


Berger, 


Francis, 


McBain, 


Rock, 


Bigg, 


Frenette, 


McCutcheon, 


Rouleau, 


Blouin, 


Garland, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Boulanger, 


Gelber, 


Mcintosh, 


Rynard, 


Brewin, 


Gendron, 


McMillan, 


Sauve, 


Byrne, 


Girouard, 


McNulty, 


Sharp, 


Cadieu, 


Godin, 


McWilliam, 


Simpson, 


Cameron (High 


Gordon, 


Madill, 


Slogan, 


Park), 


Grafftey, 


Mandziuk, 


Smallwood, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gray, 


Marcoux, 


Southam, 


Cowichan-The 


Greene, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Starr, 


Islands), 


Gundlock, 


Martineau. 


Stefanson, 


Cantelon, 


Habel, 


Matheson, 


Stenson, 


Cantin, 


Hahn, 


Matte, 


Tardif, 


Cardiff, 


Hales, 


Millar, 


Teillet, 


Cardin, 


Hamilton, 


Monteith, 


Temple, 


Caron, 


Harkness, 


Moore, 


Thompson, 


Chapdelaine, 


Harley, 


Moreau, 


Tremblay, 


Chatterton, 


Hays, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Tucker, 


Chevrier, 


Hellyer, 


Mullally, 


Turner, 


Chretien, 


Herridge, 


Munro, 


Valade, 


Churchill, 


Honey, 


Nasserden, 


Vincent, 


Clancy, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Nesbitt, 


Wahn, 


Coates, 


Horner 


Nicholson, 


Walker, 


Cooper, 


(The Battlefords), 


Nielsen, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Howard, 


Noble, 


Watson 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Howe (Wellington- 


Nowlan, 


(Chateauguay- 


Cowan, 


Huron), 


O'Keefe, 


Huntingdon- 


Grossman, 


Irvine, 


Olson, 


Laprairie), 


Crouse, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Orlikow, 


Webb, 


Cyr, 


Jones, 


Ormiston, 


Webster, 


Danforth, 


Jorgenson, 


Otto, 


Weichel, 


Davis, 


Klein, 


Ouellet, 


Whelan, 


Deachman, 


Knowles, 


Pascoe, 


Willoughby, 


Denis, 


Korchinski, 


Patterson, 


Winch, 


Deschatelets, 


Laing, 


Paul, 


Winkler— 205. 


Diefenbaker, 


Lamb, 


Pearson, 




Dinsdale, 


Lambert, 


Pennell, 





A.D. 1963 



WEDNESDAY, 9th OCTOBER 



427 



Beaule, 
Belanger, 
Boutin, 
Caouette, 



Dionne, 

Gauthier, 

Gregoire, 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Langlois, 

Laprise, 

Latulippe, 



Perron, 
Plourde, 
Rondeau — 13. 



Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Copy of Protocol renewing the Trade Agreement between Canada and the 
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, signed on February 29, 1956 and renewed 
on April 18, 1960. Signed at Ottawa, September 16, 1963. (English and French). 



Mr. Robichaud, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of the Final Press Release, dated October 7, 1963, issued at 
Tokyo following the Second Meeting of the Parties to the International Con- 
vention for the High Seas Fisheries of the North Pacific Ocean. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 854 — Mr. Matheson 

1. How many persons, who were landed immigrants in Canada or natural- 
born Canadian citizens, left Canada to take up permanent residence in the 
United States of America (a) in each of the years 1951 to 1962 (b) in the years, 
by decades, since 1870? 

2. How many landed immigrants in the United States, or United States 
citizens, took up permanent residence in Canada during the same periods? 

3. Has the government any estimate of what Canada's population would 
have been on June 1, 1963 had there been no net emigration to the United 
States from Canada since 1870 and, if so, what is the estimate? 

Mr. Munro, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,244 — Mr. Martineau 

1. What was the aggregate revenue of the Post Office Department for each 
of the following fiscal years: 1957-58, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1960-61 and 1961-62? 

2. What were the total expenditures of that Department for the same 
fiscal years? 

3. Did the employees of that Department receive any salary increase 
during those fiscal years and if so, what was the total cost of any such in- 
crease in each of the said fiscal years? 

4. Were any new postal services set up during those fiscal years and, if 
so, what was the cost of each service? 

5. Have any postal services been abandoned and, if so, what was the 
cost of these services? 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers (No. 62) having been 
called was allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



428 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all documents, reports, 
engineering or other surveys, communications, correspondence or other papers, 
with respect to the (a) all-weather maintenance of the road from Haines 
Junction in the Yukon Territory to Haines in the State of Alaska, U.S.A. 

(b) existing maintenance costs of the Northwest Highway System in maintaining 
the said road by the Northwest Highway System of the Canadian Army and 

(c) paving of the said road. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 64). 



On motion of Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all documents, reports, 
engineering or other surveys, communications, correspondence or other papers, 
with respect to the construction of a road from Carcross in the Yukon Ter- 
ritory to Skagway in the State of Alaska in the U.S.A. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 65). 



On motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, it was ordered, 
— That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House copies of all correspondence between 
the Federal and Provincial governments or any ministers thereof in regard 
to the Canada Pension Plan. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 84). 



On motion of Mr. Stefanson, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and briefs, and the replies thereto, received by the Minister of National De- 
fence or any other government official, from the Manitoba Provincial Govern- 
ment or any other interested parties relating to a cost-sharing arrangement 
for grading and hard surfacing the access road from the Town of Gimli to 
the Gimli R.C.A.F. Station. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 86). 



On motion of Mr. Starr, seconded by Mr. Churchill, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House copies of all correspondence between 
the federal and provincial governments or any ministers thereof in regard to 
the Municipal Loan Fund. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 87). 

On motion of Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Ricard, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, letters or other 
documents received by the Government of Canada from insurance companies 
or other corporations, firms, associations or individuals concerning the Canada 
Pension Plan. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 88). 

On motion of Mr. Horner (Acadia), seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was or- 
dered—That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 9th OCTOBER 429 

will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, 
reports, briefs and memoranda, and any replies thereto between the federal 
government and any of its departments and the Province of Alberta concerning 
projects under A.R.D.A. since April 8, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 90). 



On motion of Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all notes exchanged between 
Canada and the United States relating to the conditions of employment of 
employees working for the Federal Electric Corporation on the Canadian 
sector of the D.E.W. Line and any other documents or agreements between the 
Government of Canada and/or agency thereof and the Government of the 
United States and/or any agency thereof, or between the Government of 
Canada and the Federal Electric Corporation, relating to the terms and condi- 
tions of employment of the said employees on the D.E.W. Line. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 92). 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution for the placement of the Maritime Transportation Unions 
of Canada under the management and control of trustees, and progress having 
been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

Fifteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, presented on October 8th meets the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

Adanac General Insurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction 
of its business, either the name "Adanac General Insurance Company of Can- 
ada" and/or the name "La Compagnie Adanac d'Assurance Generate du 
Canada". — Mr. Addison. 



At 6.05 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 65 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 10th OCTOBER, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. MacRae be substituted for that of Mr. Fairweather on 
the Special Committee on Defence. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution for the placement of the Maritime Transportation Unions 
of Canada under the management and control of trustees; 



And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' Business was set 
aside. 



Whereupon the House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole 
of a certain proposed resolution for the placement of the Maritime Transpor- 
tation Unions of Canada under the management and control of trustees. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the 
placing of the Maritime Transportation Unions of Canada under the manage- 



432 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

ment and control of trustees; to provide for the establishment of the Board of 
Trustees of the Maritime Transportation Unions consisting of a chairman and 
two other members; to provide for the payment of their remuneration and 
expenses and to authorize the employment and remuneration of such person- 
nel as may be necessary for the carrying out of the duties and powers of the 
Trustees under the said measure. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, pre- 
sented Bill C-102, An Act to Provide for the Placing of the Maritime Trans- 
portation Unions of Canada Under the Management and Control of Trustees, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Speaker laid before the House, — Extract from 
the Minutes of a Meeting of the Commissioners of Internal Economy of the 
House of Commons of Canada, held at Ottawa on Thursday, October 3, 1963, 
(English and French), which is as follows: 

Pursuant to the provisions of Subsection (1) of Section 44 of the Senate 
and House of Commons Act, as enacted at the present session of Parliament, 
the Commissioners of Internal Economy recommend to the House of Com- 
mons that, effective as from the first day of October, 1963, for each session of 
Parliament there may be paid to the Members of the House of Commons trav- 
elling expenses between their place of residence or their constituency and 
Ottawa as may be required for the performance of their duties as Members 
of the House, if such expenses shall have been incurred in travelling by com- 
mon carrier and do not exceed the cost of air transportation economy fares 
and if the claims made are supported by receipted vouchers. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of September, 1963. 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Operations of the Farm 
Improvement Loans Act, for the year ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to 
section 13 of the said Act, chapter 110, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report on the Administration of the Small Businesses Loans Act, for the year 
ended December 31, 1962, pursuant to section 11 of the said Act, chapter 5, 
Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Operation of Agreements with the Provinces under the Hospital Insurance 
and Diagnostic Services Act, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 9 of the said Act, chapter 28, Statutes of Canada, 1957. (English and 
French). 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 10th OCTOBER 433 

By Mr. Nicholson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Eastern Rockies Forest Conservation Board, for the year ended March 31, 
1963, pursuant to section 10 of the Eastern Rocky Mountain Forest Conserva- 
tion Act, chapter 59, Statutes of Canada, 1947. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated October 2, 1963, for a copy of all letters and 
replies thereto that passed between Hal Banks and/or other officials of the 
S.I.U., and any member of the Government or any official of a government 
department, since the 12th of April last. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 83). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 24, 
1963, (^Question 816) showing: 1. Has the Minister of Finance received any 
protests and/or representations in regard to the withdrawal of the exemption 
of the 11% sales tax in regard to building materials and production equipment 
and machinery and, if so, what is the number of persons, associations, cor- 
porations or other bodies that have voiced such protests or made such repre- 
sentations, giving in each case their names or description? 

2. Have such persons, associations, corporations or other bodies informed 
the Minister of any building, construction or other project which may be 
cancelled, postponed or set aside because of the proposed withdrawal of exemp- 
tion of the said sales tax and, if so, what is (a) the total number of such 
projects (b) the total value thereof (c) the total number of jobs that may be 
involved by such proposed cancellation or postponement? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Order of the House dated July 31, 
1963 (Question 1,111) showing: 1. In what military operations have Canadian 
forces participated since the signing of the Korean cease-fire agreement on 
July 27, 1953? 

2. Why did Canada participate in each of these operations, and what was 
the nature, and the extent of her contribution? 



At 10.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 11th OCTOBER 435 

No. 66 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 11th OCTOBER, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the House revert to "Motions" 
at 5.00 o'clock p.m. this day in order to consider the following Notice of 
Motion appearing on this day's Order Paper under "Routine Proceedings" in 
the name of the Secretary of State: 

"That on Saturday, October 12, 1963, the House shall sit from 11.00 a.m. 
to 1.00 p.m. and 2.30 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., and 

"That, after the reading of Prayers in the said sitting, the House shall 
proceed forthwith to Government Orders which shall have precedence over 
all other business and, should the Order "House again in Committee of Supply" 
be called and read, the procedure now provided for in Standing Order 56(1) 
shall apply." 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-102, An Act to 
Provide for the Placing of the Maritime Transportation Unions of Canada 
Under the Management and Control of Trustees; 

Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to on the following division: 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



Yeas 





Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Drouin, 


Laniel, 


Pearson, 


Alkenbrack, 


Drury, 


Laprise, 


Pennell, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Dube, 


Laverdiere, 


Pepin, 


Wolfe), 


Emard, 


Leduc, 


Pickersgill, 


Badanai, 


Ethier, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Pilon, 


Baldwin, 


Fisher, 


Jean), 


Plourde, 


Barnett, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


- Lloyd, 


Prittie, 


Basford, 


Revelstoke) , 


Loiselle, 


Rapp, 


Batten, 


Forgie, 


Loney, 


Regan, 


BeaulS, 


Foy, 


Macaluso, 


Rheaume, 


Bechard, 


Francis, 


Macdonald, 


Ricard, 


Belanger, 


Garland, 


MacEachen, 


Richard, 


Bell, 


Gauthier, 


MacEwan, 


Rinfret, 


Benidickson, 


Gelber, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Robichaud. 


Benson, 


Gendron, 


MacNaught, 


Rochon, 


Berger, 


Godin, 


Macquarrie, 


Rock, 


Bigg, 


Gordon, 


MacRae, 


Rondeau, 


Boulanger, 


Grafftey, 


McBain, 


Ryan, 


Byrne, 


Gray, 


McCutcheon, 


Scott, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- Greene, 


Mcllraith, 


Sharp, 


Cowichan-The 


Gregoire, 


Mcintosh, 


Simpson, 


Islands), 


Guay, 


MeNulty, 


Slogan, 


Cantelon, 


Gundlock, 


McWilliam, 


Smallwood, 


Cantin, 


Habel, 


Madill, 


Southam, 


Caouette, 


Hahn, 


Mandziuk, 


Stenson, 


Cardiff, 


Haidasz, 


Marcoux, 


Tardif, 


Cardin, 


Hamilton, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Teillet, 


Caron, 


Harkness, 


Martineau, 


Temple, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Harley, 


Matheson, 


Thompson, 


Chapdelaine, 


Hays, 


Matte, 


Tucker, 


Chatterton, 


Horner 


Millar, 


Turner, 


Choquette, 


(The Battlefords) 


, Mitchell, 


Vincent, 


Churchill, 


Howard, 


Moreau, 


Wahn, 


Coates, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Walker, 


Cooper, 


Huron) , 


Mullally, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Irvine, 


Munro, 


Watson 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Jewett (Miss), 


Nasserden, 


(Chateauguay- 


Cowan, 


Jones, 


Nesbitt, 


Huntingdon- 


Crouse, 


Jorgenson, 


Nicholson, 


Laprairie), 


Davis, 


Kelly, 


Nowlan, 


Webb, 


Deachman, 


Kennedy, 


Nugent, 


Webster, 


Denis, 


Klein, 


O'Keefe, 


Weichel, 


Deschatelets, 


Knowles, 


Olson, 


Whelan, 


Diefenbaker, 


Korchinski, 


Orlikow, 


Willoughby, 


Dinsdale, 


Laing, 


Ormiston, 


Winch, 


Dionne, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Ouellet, 


Winkler, 


Doucett, 


Lamb, 


Pascoe, 


Woolliams — 181. 


Douglas, 


Lamoureux, 


Patterson, 






Nays 






Messrs: 




Herridge, 


Maclnnis, 


Nielsen, 


Peters — 4. 



Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again later this day. 



A.D. 1963 FRIDAY, 11th OCTOBER 437 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-98, An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act, with- 
out amendment. 

5.00 o'clock p.m. 

Pursuant to Special Order made this day, the House reverted to "Motions". 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the House shall sit from 
7.00 o'clock p.m. until not later than 11.00 o'clock p.m. this day; and that the 
order of business be Government Orders numbered 9, 2 and 3 respectively on 
today's Order Paper, namely: 

(1) Bill C-102, An Act to Provide for the Placing of the Maritime Trans- 
portation Unions of Canada Under the Management and Control of Trustees; 

(2) Bill C-83, An Act to amend the Northwest Territories Act and to 
rename the said Territories, and to effect certain consequential changes in 
the Statute Law with respect thereto; and 

(3) Bill C-84, An Act respecting the Nunassiaq Territory. 



Whereupon the following Notice of Motion, appearing under "Routine 
Proceedings" in the name of the Secretary of State, was withdrawn from the 
Order Paper: 

"That on Saturday, October 12, 1963, the House shall sit from 11.00 a.m. 
to 1.00 p.m. and 2.30 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., and 

"That, after the reading of Prayers in the said sitting, the House shall 
proceed forthwith to Government Orders which shall have precedence over 
all other business and, should the Order "House again in Committee of Supply" 
be called and read, the procedure now provided for in Standing Order 56(1) 
shall apply." 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. 
MacNaught, the recommendation of the Commissioners of Internal Economy, 
set out in the Extract from the Minutes of a meeting of the said Commissioners 
tabled by Mr. Speaker on October 10, 1963, was concurred in. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 inclusive having been called were allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-26, An Act to 
amend the Canada Elections Act (Advance Polls) ; 

Mr. Leduc, seconded by Mr. Boulanger, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 



438 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Benidickson, moved in amendment 
thereto, — That the said bill be not now read a second time but that the 
subject-matter thereof be referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections. 

And the question being put on the said amendment, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read the second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Bill C-102, An Act to Provide for the Placing of the Maritime Transporta- 
tion Unions of Canada Under the Management and Control of Trustees, was 
again considered in Committee of the Whole, reported with amendments, and 
considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time, on division, 
and passed. 



At 11.25 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put 
until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 14th OCTOBER 439 

No. 67 

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OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 14th OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 1,156 — Mr. Matheson 

1. How many civilian persons, by provinces, have been trained, in each 
year, for Civil Defence by St. John Ambulance since the inception of the 
Civil Defence Program? 

2. How many military persons have been trained, in each year, by St. John 
Ambulance for the same period? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



The Order for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply being 
read for the second time, pursuant to Standing Order 56(2); 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Vincent, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be deleted and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"this House regrets the failure of the government to take effective 
action in regard to Eastern agriculture and in particular with respect 

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440 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

to feed grain for Eastern Canada and for British Columbia so as to 
provide: 

(1) stability of Canadian supply and price; 

(2) opportunity for expansion of Eastern production of feed grain." 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint-Jean) moved in 
amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That the amendment be 
amended, by inserting, following the word "government" in line 1, the follow- 
ing words, namely: 

"in continuing the completely inadequate policies of the immedi- 
ately previous government". 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated July 10, 1963, (Question No. 850) showing: 1. 
What were the total expenditures on public works in the constituency of Ber- 
thier-Maskinonge-Delanaudiere during each of the fiscal years 1958-59, 1959-60, 
1960-61, 1961-62 and 1962-63? 

2. For each of these fiscal years, on what public works projects were 
expenditures made? 

3. During 1963-64, what is the estimated total expenditure for public works 
in the above constituency, indicating in each case the nature and the amount 
of the expenditure? 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fourteenth Report, pur- 
suant to Standing Order 100(2). 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Adanac General Insurance Company of Canada for an Act to amend its 
Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "Adanac General Insurance Company of Canada" 
and/or the name "La Compagnie Adanac d'Assurance Generate du Canada". 

The Canada North-west Land Company (Limited) for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation increasing its capital from fifty-nine thousand five 
hundred and fifty-one dollars to four million fifty-nine thousand five hundred 
and fifty-one dollars, and for other purposes. 

The Manufacturers Life Insurance Company for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its 
business, either the name "The Manufacturers Life Insurance Company" and/or 
the name "Les Manufacturiers, Compagnie d' Assurance-Vie". 

Robert H. Belanger, of the City of Ottawa, Ontario, and two others, for an 
Act to incorporate "Les Scouts Catholiques du Canada". 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 15th OCTOBER 441 

No. 68 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 15th OCTOBER, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Caron, from the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, 
presented the Third Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

A copy of the printed Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue Nos. 
1 and 2) is tabled herewith in both languages. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 1 to the Journals). 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. MacRae be substituted for that of Mr. Winkler on the 
Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Detailed results of the sale of permits for oil and gas locations in the Yukon 
and Northwest Territories. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Vincent, in 
amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the fol- 
lowing substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets the failure of the government to take effective 
action in regard to Eastern agriculture and in particular with respect 

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12 ELIZABETH II 



to feed grain for Eastern Canada and for British Columbia so as to 
provide: 

(1) stability of Canadian supply and price; 

(2) opportunity for expansion of Eastern production of feed grain." 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Lessard 
(Lac-Saint- Jean), in amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That the 
amendment be amended by inserting, following the word "government" in 
line 1, the following words, namely: 

"in continuing the completely inadequate policies of the immediately 
previous government". 

And debate continuing; at 8.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (d); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 







Yeas 








Messrs: 




Barnett, 


Frenette, 


Leboe, 


Patterson, 


Brewin, 


Girouard, 


Lessard 


Peters, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Herridge, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Prittie, 


Cowichan-The 


Howe (Hamilton 


Marcoux, 


Scott, 


Islands), 


South) , 


Martin (Timmins), 


Thompson, 


Chap delaine, 


Knowles, 


Orlikow, 


Webster, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 






Winch— 22. 



Nays 





Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cardiff, 


Drouin, 


Gundlock, 


Aiken, 


Cardin, 


Drury, 


Habel, 


Alkenbrack, 


Caron, 


Dube, 


Hahn, 


Armstrong, 


Carter, 


Dupuis, 


Haidasz, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Cashin, 


Emard, 


Hales, 


Dame de Grace), 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Enns, 


Hamilton, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Chatterton, 


Ethier, 


Harkness, 


Wolfe), 


Chevrier, 


Eudes, 


Harley, 


Badanai, 


Choquette, 


Fane, 


Hellyer, 


Baldwin, 


Chretien, 


Favreau, 


Honey, 


Basford, 


Churchill, 


Fleming (Okanagan 


- Horner (Jasper- 


Batten, 


Clancy, , 


Revelstoke) , 


Edson) , 


Beaule, 


Coates, 


Forbes, 


Horner 


Bechard, 


Cooper, 


Forest, 


(The Battlefords). 


Beer, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Forgie, 


Howard, 


Belanger, 


Cowan, 


Foy, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Benidickson, 


Crossman, 


Francis, 


Huron), 


Benson, 


Crouse, 


Garland, 


Irvine, 


Berger, 


Cyr, 


Gauthier, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Bigg, 


Danforth, 


Gelber, 


Jones, 


Blouin, 


Davis, 


Gendron, 


Jorgenson, 


Boulanger, 


Deachman, 


Grafftey, 


Kelly, 


Boutin, 


Denis, 


Granger, 


Kennedy, 


Byrne, 


Deschatelets, 


Gray, 


Kindt, 


Cameron (High 


Diefenbaker, 


Greene, 


Klein, 


Park), 


Dinsdale, 


Gregoire, 


Korchinski, 


Cantelon, 


Dionne, 


Groos, 


Lachance, 


Caouette, 


Doucett, 


Guay, 


Laing, 



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44J 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


McMillan, 


Pascoe, 


Slogan, 


Lamb, 


McWilliam, 


Paul, 


Smallwood, 


Lambert, 


Madill, 


Pearson, 


Smith, 


Lamoureux, 


Mandziuk, 


Pennell, 


Southam, 


Langlois, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Pepin, 


Starr, 


Laniel, 


Martineau, 


Perron, 


Stefanson, 


Laprise, 


Matheson, 


Pickersgill, 


Stenson, 


Latulippe, 


Matte, 


Pigeon, 


Tardif, 


Laverdiere, 


Millar, 


Pilon, 


Teillet, 


Leduc, 


Mitchell, 


Plourde, 


Temple, 


Lloyd, 


Monteith, 


Rapp, 


Thomas, 


Loiselle, 


Moore, 


Regan, 


Tucker, 


Loney, 


Moreau, 


Rheaume, 


Turner, 


Macaluso, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Ricard, 


Valade, 


Macdonald, 


North and 


Richard, 


Vincent, 


MacEachen, 


Victoria), 


Rideout, 


Wahn, 


MacEwan, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Rinfret, 


Walker, 


Maclnnis, 


Mullally, 


Robichaud, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


MacLean (Queens), 


Munro, 


Rochon, 


Watson, 


MacNaught, 


Nasserden, 


Rock, 


(Chateauguay- 


Macquarrie, 


Nesbitt, 


Rondeau, 


Huntingdon- 


MacRae, 


Nielsen, 


Rouleau, 


Laprairie) , 


McBain, 


Noble, 


Ryan, 


Webb, 


McCutcheon, 


Nugent, 


Rynard, 


Weichel, 


Mcllraith, 


O'Keefe, 


Sauve, 


Whelan, 


Mcintosh, 


Ormiston, 


Simpson, 


Willoughby, 


McLean (Charlotte). 


, Otto, 


Skoreyko, 


Winkler— 208. 



And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the main 
motion, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 
Alkenbrack, 
Baldwin, 
Beaule, 
Belanger, 
Bigg, 
Boutin, 
Cantelon, 
Caouette, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 
Chatterton, 
Churchill, 
Clancy, 
Coates, 
Cooper, 
Crouse, 
Danforth, 
Diefenbaker, 
Dinsdale, 
Dionne, 
Doucett, 
Enns, 
Fane, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 
Revelstoke) , 



Forbes, 

Gauthier, 

Grafftey, 

Gregoire, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Hamilton, 

Harkness, 

Horner (Jasper- 
Edson), 

Horner 

(The Battlefords) , 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron) , 

Irvine, 

Jones, 

Jorgenson, 

Kennedy, 

Kindt, 

Korchinski, 

Lamb, 

Lambert, 

Langlois, 

Laprise, 

Latulippe, 



Loney, 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens), 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

McCutcheon, 

Mcintosh, 

Madill, 

Mandziuk, 

Martineau, 

Millar, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nielsen, 
Noble, 
Nugent, 
Ormiston, 



Pascoe, 

Paul, 

Perron, 

Pigeon, 

Plourde, 

Rapp, 

Rheaume, 

Ricard, 

Rondeau, 

Simpson, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Smith, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Weichel, 

Willoughby, 

Winkler— 95. 



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Nays 
Messrs: 



Addison, 


Davis, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Ouellet, 


Armstrong, 


Deachman, 


Kelly, 


Patterson, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Denis, 


Klein, 


Pearson, 


Dame-de-Grace) , 


Deschatelets, 


Knowles, 


Pennell, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Drouin, 


Lachance, 


Pepin, 


Wolfe), 


Drury, 


Laing, 


Peters, 


Badanai, 


Dube, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pickersgill, 


Barnett, 


Dupuis, 


Lamoureux, 


Pilon, 


Basford, 


Emard, 


Laniel, 


Prittie, 


Batten, 


Ethier, 


Laverdiere, 


Regan, 


Bechard, 


Eudes, 


Leboe, 


Richard, 


Beer, 


Favreau, 


Leduc, 


Rideout, 


Benidickson, 


Forest, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


■ Rinfret, 


Benson, 


Forgie, 


Jean) , 


Robichaud, 


Berger, 


Foy, 


Lloyd, 


Rochon, 


Blouin, 


Francis, 


Loiselle, 


Rock, 


Boulanger, 


Frenette, 


Macaluso, 


Rouleau, 


Brewin, 


Garland, 


Macdonald, 


Ryan, 


Byrne, 


Gelber, 


MacEachen, 


Sauve, 


Cameron (High 


Gendron, 


MacNaught, 


Scott, 


Park), 


Girouard, 


Mcllraith, 


Tardif, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


- Granger, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Teillet, 


Cowichan-The 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Temple, 


Islands), 


Greene, 


McWilliam, 


Thompson, 


Cardin, 


Groos, 


Marcoux, 


Tucker, 


Caron, 


Guay, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Turner, 


Carter, 


Habel, 


Martin ( Timmins ) , 


Wahn, 


Cashin, 


Hahn, 


Matheson, 


Walker, 


Chapdelaine, 


Haidasz, 


Matte, 


Watson 


Chevrier, 


Harley, 


Mitchell, 


(Chateauguay- 


Choquette, 


Hellyer, 


Moreau, 


Huntingdon- 


Chretien, 


Herridge, 


Mullally, 


Laprairie), 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Honey, 


Munro, 


Webster, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Howard, 


O'Keefe, 


Whelan, 


Cowan, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Orlikow, 


Winch— 134. 


Crossman, 


South) , 


Otto, 




Cyr, 









And debate continuing on the main motion; at ten o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker interrupted the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56 (4) (f); 

And the question being put on the main motion, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply; 
it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The estimates of three departments were first taken up and entered for 
consideration, pursuant to Standing Order 56(5) (b), as follows: 



FISHERIES 
1 Departmental Administration 



461,000 00 



A.D. 1963 TUESDAY, 15th OCTOBER 445 

NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES 

1 Departmental Administration including Federal share of 
the expenses of the Secretariat for the Resource Min- 
isters Council $ 1,018,600 00 

VETERANS AFFAIRS 

1 Departmental Administration $ 2,406,800 00 

To be reported. 



Report received and the Committee of Supply obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Canada 
Pension Plan Actuarial Report, dated August 30, 1963. (English and French). 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 16th OCTOBER, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

16th October, 1963. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 16th October, at 
5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain Bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret^ it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Whelan be substituted for that of Mr. Emard on the Standing 
Committee on Banking and Commerce. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Emard be substituted for that of Mr. McMillan on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 

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Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 1,141 — Mr. Matheson 
What public offices were filled or public appointments made by Orders in 
Council dated between February 5 and April 22, 1963? 



Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before 
this House a copy of the Cabinet Minute or other official document which 
authorized the Secretary of State for External Affairs to notify the Executive 
Director, the International North Pacific Fisheries Commission, by telegram 
under date of May 10, 1963, that the Commission's recommendations for the 
removal of the halibut stocks in the Eastern Bering Sea and the herring stocks 
West of the Queen Charlotte Islands from the Annex to the Convention had 
been accepted by the Government of Canada. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 62). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Comox-Alberni (Mr. Barnett) stated that 
he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



Notices of Motion for the Production of Papers (Nos. 93, 94, 97, 101, and 
102) having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the govern- 
ment. 



On motion of Mr. Southam, seconded by Mr. Winkler, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, 
reports, briefs and memoranda, and any subsequent replies thereto between 
the federal government and any of its departments and the Province of Sas- 
katchewan concerning A.R.D.A. since April 22, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 96). 



Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Winkler, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before this 
House a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, communications and other 
documents and replies thereto between the Government of the United States of 
America, or any of its departments, and the Government of Canada, or any 
of its departments, concerning the Great Lakes shipping situation and the 
proposed Trusteeship of Canadian Maritime Unions since the 6th of July 1963. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 98). 

And the question being proposed; 

The Honourable the Secretary of State for External Affairs [Mr. Martin 
(Essex East)] stated that he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 16th OCTOBER 449 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a list of 'consultants' prepared in the office of the Post- 
master General for the guidance of Cabinet Ministers and copies of all cor- 
respondence between the Ministers of the Crown and the 'consultants' in each 
riding. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 99). 

And the question being proposed; 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

The general principle concerning the character of papers which may be 
asked for is set out in May's 16th edition, page 270, where it is stated: "Par- 
liament is invested with the power of ordering all documents to be laid before 
it, which are necessary for its information." 

Bourinot's 4th edition, at page 246, states in part, as follows: "On the other 
hand, it is the constitutional right of either House to ask for such information 
as it can directly obtain by its own order from any department or officer of 
the government." 

Obviously it is impossible for the Chair to scan every Notice of Motion 
for Papers in an effort to determine whether or not such papers actually exist 
or whether the papers are in the nature of a confidential document. Indeed 
there is no rule which states that confidential documents may not be asked 
for, and in some instances what are ordinarily considered to be confidential 
documents are tabled. At page 273 of May's 16th edition it is stated: "However 
ample the power of each House to enforce the production of papers may be, a 
sufficient cause must be shown for the exercise of that power; and if considera- 
tions of public policy can be urged against a motion for papers, it is either 
withdrawn, or otherwise dealt with according to the judgment of the House." 

Therefore it seems that the duty of the Chair in regard to motions for 
papers is to decide whether or not a motion is in order from a procedural 
point of view, and I am of the opinion that this motion is in order from this 
point of view. In this regard I would like to quote from a statement by Mr. 
Speaker Beaudoin which is found at page 3014 of Hansard, April 3, 1957. It 
reads as follows: "The motion that has been placed on the Order Paper is in 
order, and that is why I have put it to the House. It is opposed and when it 
is opposed, according to Standing Order 47, it must be transferred for debate 
if desired. This has not been asked for, but it has been asked that the Minis- 
ter should say briefly why he is opposed to the motion. At this moment, there- 
fore, the only duty I have is to put the question to the House and let the House 
pass judgment on it." 

In the same regard, at page 1036 of Hansard, July 11, 1958, Mr. Speaker 
Michener is reported as having used the following words, namely: "This motion 
is not debatable. It is a motion for an Order of the House to issue in respect of 
certain papers. It is not debatable, and the only course is to accept or reject 
the motion. I am advised by the Clerk that that is the method of disposing of 
such a motion as this. I ask, then, whether it is the pleasure of the House to 
adopt the same motion." 

As will be seen in Hansard of February 15, 1960, page 1055, Mr. Speaker 
Michener held the view that his responsibility was to see that the motion was 
before the House in the proper form, but that the House had to decide by its 
vote whether or not the document was to be produced, and that it would be 
improper for the Speaker to substitute his decision for that of the House. 
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450 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

On February 27, 1961, as will be found at page 2442 of Hansard, Mr. 
Speaker Michener also stated that it was for the House to determine whether 
such a Motion for the Production of Papers should be withdrawn or whether it 
should be passed. Basing my action on those precedents, I propose to put the mo- 
tion and allow the House to make a decision in regard to the production of the 
paper unless such a motion is either withdrawn, allowed to stand or transferred 
for debate. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was ordered, — That there 
be laid before this House a list of 'consultants' prepared in the office of the Post- 
master General for the guidance of Cabinet Ministers and copies of all corres- 
pondence between the Ministers of the Crown and the 'consultants' in each 
riding. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 99). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Herridge, it was ordered, 
— That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
or other documents exchanged between the government and any agency or 
branch thereof and any other government, organization or person since Janu- 
ary 1, 1962, dealing with the proposal that another or second Trans-Canada 
Highway be built. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 100). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged be- 
tween the Winnipeg School Division No. 1 and the Minister of National Health 
and Welfare, dated since April 22, 1963, concerning the subject of tobacco 
advertising on radio and television. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 103). 



By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' Business was set 
aside for this day's sitting. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-95, An Act to 
amend the Income Tax Act; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon and continuing; 



A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Cham- 
ber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable 
the Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, Ioth OCTOBER 451 

His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bill: 

An Act to amend the Old Age Security Act. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of an 
exchange of telegrams between the Prime Minister of Canada and Mr. N. R. 
Crump, President, Canadian Pacific Railway Company, regarding failure of the 
"Empress of Canada" to dock at Quebec. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statutory 
Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of Wednes- 
day, October 9, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, Chapter 
235, R.S.C. 1952. (English and French). 



At 6.13 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 70 

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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 17th OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House,— List of Addresses and Orders of the House of Commons (a) issued 
and (b) outstanding, up to and including Thursday, October 17, 1963. 



Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That commencing on 
Thursday, October 17, 1963, and on every Thursday and Friday thereafter 
until the end of the current session, the hours of sitting on these days shall be: 

Thursdays: 

2.30 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., and from 7.00 p.m. to 10.30 p.m. 

Fridays: 

11.00 a.m. to 1.00 p.m., 2.30 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., and from 7.00 p.m. to 10.30 
p.m. and, in relation thereto, the provisions of Standing Order 6 shall be 
suspended; and 

That on Wednesday, October 23, 1963, and on every Wednesday thereafter 
until the end of the current session, the hours from 5.00 to 6.00 p.m. in such 
sittings shall be used for government business and, in relation thereto, the 
provisions of Standing Order 15(3) concerning Private Members' Business shall 
be suspended. 

And debate arising thereon; 



454 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. Starr, moved in amendment thereto, — That 
the motion be amended by striking out all the words after "That" and substi- 
tuting therefor: "the hours of sitting shall be as follows: 

Monday: 

2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., and 7.00 p.m. to 10.00 p.m. 

Tuesday: 

2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., and 7.00 p.m. to 10.00 p.m. 

Wednesday : 

2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. 

Thursday: 

2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m., and 7.00 p.m. to 10.00 p.m. 

Friday: 

11.00 a.m. to 1.00 p.m., and 2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m.; 

and, in relation thereto, the provisions of Standing Order 6 shall be suspended; 
and 

"That on Wednesday, October 23, 1963, and on every Wednesday there- 
after until the end of the current session, the hours from 5.00 to 6.00 p.m. 
in such sittings shall be used for government business and, in relation thereto, 
the provisions of Standing Order 15(3) concerning Private Members' Business 
shall be suspended." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment, it was negatived, on division. 

And the question being put on the main motion, it was agreed to, on 
division. 



Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. Rock, moved, — That the Second Report of 
the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, presented to this House 
on Wednesday, October 9, 1963, be now concurred in. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections 
be not now concurred in but that it be referred back to the said Committee 
with instruction to amend it so as to recommend that Members of the oppo- 
sition who belong to groups other than the Official Opposition be seated in the 
House according to the numerical strength of their respective groups. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nielsen, moved in amendment to the 
said proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amended by adding thereto 
immediately after the word "groups" the following: "and that Clause 4 of the 
Report of the Committee to the House of Commons be deleted." 

And the question being proposed; 



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455 



5.00 o'clock p.m. 

By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' Business was set 
aside. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by 
Mr. Rock, — That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections, presented to this House on Wednesday, October 9, 1963, be now 
concurred in; and on the proposed motion of Mr. Knowles in amendment 
thereto; and on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker in amendment to the 
said proposed amendment. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment to the amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Aiken, 


! Gauthier, 


Loney, 


Prittie, 


Alkenbrack, 


Grafftey, 


Maclnnis, 


Rapp, 


Baldwin, 


Gregoire, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rheaume, 


Barnett, 


Gundlock, 


MacRae, 


Ricard, 


Beaule, 


Hales, 


McBain, 


Rondeau, 


Belanger, 


Herridge, 


Madill, 


Rynard, 


Boutin, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Scott, 


Brewin, 


Horner (Jasper- 


Martineau, 


Simpson, 


Cantelon, 


Edson), 


Monteith, 


Skoreyko, 


Caouette, 


Horner 


Moore, 


Slogan, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


(The Battlefords) 


, Muir (Cape Breton 


Smallwood, 


Churchill, 


Howe (Wellington- 


North and 


Southam, 


Coates, 


Huron) , 


Victoria), 


Starr, 


Cooper, 


Jorgenson, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Stefanson, 


Crouse, 


Kennedy, 


Nasserden, 


Stenson, 


Danforth, 


Kindt, 


Nesbitt, 


Thomas, 


Diefenbaker, 


Knowles, 


Nielsen, 


Valade, 


Dinsdale, 


Korchinski, 


Noble, 


Vincent, 


Dionne, 


Lamb, 


Pascoe, 


Watson ( Assiniboia) , 


Doucett, 


Lambert, 


Perron, 


Webb, 


Douglas, 


Langlois, 


Peters, 


Webster, 


Fane, 


Laprise, 


Pigeon, 


Willoughby, 


Fisher, 


Latulippe, 


Plourde, 


Winch, 


Forbes, 






Winkler— 89. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Addison, 


Byrne, 


Crossman, 


Garland, 


Armstrong, 


Cameron (High 


Cyr, 


Gelber, 


Badanai, 


Park), 


Deachman, 


Gendron, 


Basford, 


Cantin, 


Denis, 


Girouard, 


Batten, 


Caron, 


Deschatelets, 


Granger, 


Bechard, 


Carter, 


Dube, 


Gray, 


Beer, 


Cashin, 


Dupuis, 


Greene, 


Benidickson, 


Chapdelaine, 


Emard, 


Groos, 


Benson, 


Chevrier, 


Eudes, 


Guay, 


Berger, 


Choquette, 


Favreau, 


Habel, 


Blouin, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Forest, 


Hahn, 


Boulanger, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Forgie, 


Haidasz, 


Brown, 


Cowan, 


Francis, 


Harley, 



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Hays, 


Macaluso, 


Nicholson, 


Rouleau, 


Hellyer, 


Macdonald, 


O'Keefe, 


Ryan, 


Honey, 


MacEachen, 


Olson, 


Tardif, 


Jewett (Miss), 


MacNaught, 


Otto, 


Temple, 


Kelly, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Ouellet, 


Thompson, 


Klein, 


McMillan, 


Patterson, 


Tremblay, 


Lachance, 


McNulty, 


Pearson, 


Tucker, 


Laing, 


McWilliam, 


Pepin, 


Turner, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Marcoux, 


Pickersgill, 


Wahn, 


Lamontagne, 


Matheson, 


Pilon, 


Walker, 


Lamoureux, 


Matte, 


Richard, 


Watson 


Laniel, 


Mitchell, 


Rideout, 


(Chateauguay^ 


Leboe, 


Moreau, 


Rinfret, 


Huntingdon- 


Leduc, 


Mullally, 


Robichaud, 


Laprairie) , 


Loiselle, 


Munro, 


Rock, 


Whelan— 108. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-102, An Act to Provide for the Placing of the Mari- 
time Transportation Unions of Canada under the Management and Control of 
Trustees, without amendment. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Mcllrath, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Wharf Revenue Receipts and Statement of Harbour Dues for the year ended 
March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 14 of the Government Harbours and Piers 
Act, chapter 135, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Statement showing the lands sold for which transfers 
have been issued by the Canadian Pacific Railway Company during the year 
ended September 30, 1963, pursuant to section 8 of An Act further to amend An 
Act respecting the Canadian Pacific Railway, chapter 9, Statutes of Canada, 
1886. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated July 24, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, reports, briefs and memoranda, and 
any replies thereto, received by the Minister of Transport or any Minister 
of the Government or any government official, from the City of Edmonton, the 
Edmonton Municipal Airport authorities, or any other interested parties since 
January 1, 1954 to date, relative to the continued use and development of the 
Edmonton Municipal Airport. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 55). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Return to an Address, dated October 9, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all documents, reports, engineer- 
ing or other surveys, communications, correspondence or other papers, with 
respect to the construction of a road from Carcross in the Yukon Territory to 
Skagway in the State of Alaska in the U.S.A. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 65). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, Return to an Order of the House, dated October 16, 
1963, for a list of 'consultants' prepared in the office of the Postmaster General 
for the guidance of Cabinet Ministers and copies of all correspondence be- 



A.D. 1963 THURSDAY, 17th OCTOBER 457 

tween the Ministers of the Crown and the 'consultants' in each riding. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 99). 



At 10.50 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 18th OCTOBER, 1963. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Baldwin, from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented 
the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation 
thereto; 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (e) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. Mc- 
Millan, the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Wahn, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Eleventh Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-7, An Act to incorporate The Pharm- 
acy Examining Board of Canada, and has agreed to report it with the follow- 
ing amendments: 

Clause 5, line 6, page 2: 

Delete the following words: "and recognizable as the highest in Canada". 

New sub-clause 10(1), line 37, page 3: 

"Any licensing body which is not a participating licensing body may after 
the coming into force of this Act, if authorized by resolution, enter into an 
agreement with the Board to become a participating licensing body." 



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Sub-clause (1), page 3, renumber as (2) 

Sub-clause (2), page 4, renumber as (3) 

Page 6, add new clause "18": 

"Application. 18. This Act shall not apply to any province unless the licens- 
ing body thereof has, by resolution, requested such application thereto." 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Caron, seconded 
by Mr. Rock, — That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Privileges 
and Elections, presented to this House on Wednesday, October 9, 1963, be now- 
concurred in; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Brewin, 
in amendment thereto, — That the Second Report of the Standing Committee 
on Privileges and Elections be not now concurred in but that it be referred 
back to the said Committee with instruction to amend it so as to recommend 
that Members of the opposition who belong to groups other than the Official 
Opposition be seated in the House according to the numerical strength of their 
respective groups. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Latulippe, 


Pigeon, 


Barnett, 


Revelstoke), 


Loney, 


Plourde, 


Beaule, 


Forbes, 


MacEwan, 


Prittie, 


Boutin, 


Gauthier, 


Maclnnis, 


Rapp, 


Brewin, 


Grafftey, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rheaume, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gregoire, 


Macquarrie, 


Ricard, 


Cowichan-The 


Gundlock, 


MacRae, 


Rondeau, 


Islands), 


Hales, 


McBain, 


Rynard, 


Cantelon, 


Harkness, 


Madill, 


Scott, 


Caouette, 


Herridge, 


Martineau, 


Simpson, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Horner (Acadia), 


Monteith, 


Skoreyko, 


Churchill, 


Horner 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Slogan, 


Clancy, 


(The Battlefords), 


Nasserden, 


Southam, 


Cooper, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Nesbitt, 


Starr, 


Crouse, 


Huron), 


Nielsen, 


Stefanson, 


Danforth, 


Jorgenson, 


Noble, 


Stenson, 


Diefenbaker, 


Kennedy, 


Nugent, 


Valade, 


Dinsdale, 


Kindt, 


Orlikow, 


Vincent, 


Doucett, 


Knowles, 


Pascoe, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Fane, 


Lamb, 


Paul, 


Webb, 


Fisher, 


Langlois, 


Perron, 


Winch, 




Laprise, 


Peters, 


Winkler— 82. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Addison, 


Batten, 


Boulanger, 


Cashin, 


Armstrong, 


Bechard, 


Brown, 


Chapdelaine, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Beer, 


Byrne, 


Chevrier, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Benidickson, 


Cardin, 


Choquette, 


Badanai, 


Benson, 


Caron, 


Chretien, 


Basford, 


Berger, 


Carter, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 



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Cote (Longueuil), 


Groos, 


Leboe, 


Ouellet, 


Cowan, 


Guay, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Pearson, 


Crossman, 


Habel, 


Jean), 


Pickersgill, 


Cyr, 


Hahn, 


Loiselle, 


Pilon, 


Deachman, 


Haidasz, 


Macdonald, 


Richard, 


Deschatelets, 


Harley, 


MacEachen, 


Rideout, 


Drury, 


Hays, 


Mcllraith, 


Rinfret, 


Dube, 


Hellyer, 


McMillan, 


Ryan, 


Dupuis, 


Honey, 


McNulty, 


Tardif, 


Ethier, 


Jewett (Miss), 


McWilliam, 


Thompson, 


Eudes, 


Kelly, 


Marcoux, 


Tremblay, 


Favreau, 


Klein, 


Mitchell, 


Tucker, 


Forgie, 


Lachance, 


Moreau, 


Turner, 


Francis, 


Laing, 


Morison, 


Wahn, 


Garland, 


LaMarsh, (Miss), 


Mullally, 


Walker, 


Gelber, 


Lamontagne, 


Munro, 


Watson 


Gendron, 


Lamoureux, 


Nicholson, 


(Chateauguay- 


Girouard, 


Laniel, 


O'Keefe, 


Huntingdon- 


Gray, 


Laverdiere, 


Olson, 


Laprairie), 
Whelan— 96. 



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Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 



GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 



18th October, 1963. 



Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 18th of October, at 
5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain Bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

ESMOND BUTLER, 
Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



By unanimous consent, Orders of the Day were called in order to permit 
the putting of oral questions. 



And after some time; 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Caron, seconded by Mr. 
Rock,— That the Second Report of the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections, presented to this House on Wednesday, October 9, 1963, be now 
concurred in; 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Latulippe, seconded by Mr. Rondeau, moved in amendment to the 
said motion, — That the following words be added to clause three: "The House 



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recognizes that, according to the most elementary principles of decency, it is 
not up to the other political parties to decide which one of the two Social 
Credit groups constitutes the Social Credit party, and would leave it to the 
Social Credit members themselves to decide on this question by a majority vote 
taken among the twenty-three Social Credit members." 

Mr. Speaker ruled the amendment out of order on the grounds that a 
Report from a Committee cannot be amended by the House, but that it must 
be referred back to the Committee for that purpose. 

And debate continuing on the main motion, — That the Second Report 
of the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, presented to this 
House on Wednesday, October 9, 1963, be now concurred in; 

Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That the debate be 
now adjourned. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to on the 
following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Denis, 


Klein, 


Munro, 


Armstrong, 


Deschatelets, 


Lachance, 


Nicholson, 


Badanai, 


Drury, 


Laing, 


O'Keefe, 


Basford, 


Dube, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Olson, 


Batten, 


Dupuis, 


Lamontagne, 


Pearson, 


Bechard, 


Ethier, 


Lamoureux, 


Pepin, 


Benidickson, 


Forgie, 


Laniel, 


Pickersgill, 


Benson, 


Francis, 


Laverdiere, 


Pilon, 


Berger, 


Garland, 


Leboe, 


Richard, 


Blouin, 


Gelber, 


Leduc, 


Rideout, 


Boulanger, 


Gendron, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Rinfret, 


Brown, 


Girouard, 


Jean), 


Rochon, 


Byrne, 


Gordon, 


Loiselle, 


Ryan, 


Caron, 


Granger, 


Macdonald, 


Tardif, 


Carter, 


Gray, 


MacEachen, 


Thompson, 


Cashin, 


Greene, 


MacNaught, 


Tremblay, 


Chevrier, 


Groos, 


Mcllraith, 


Tucker, 


Choquette, 


Guay, 


McMillan, 


Turner, 


Chretien, 


Habel, 


McNulty, 


Wahn, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Hahn, 


McWilliam, 


Walker, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Haidasz, 


Marcoux, 


Watson 


Cowan, 


Hays, 


Mitchell, 


(Chateauguay 


Crossman, 


Honey, 


Moreau, 


Huntingdon- 


Cyr, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Morison, 


Laprairie), 


Deachman, 


Kelly, 


Mullally, 


Whelan— 96. 



Nays 



Messrs: 



Balcer, 

Barnett, 

Beaule, 

Boutin, 

Brewin, 

Cantelon, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Churchill, 



Clancy, 

Coates, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Douglas, 



Fane, 

Fisher, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Forbes, 
Gregoire, 
Gundlock, 
Harkness. 



Herridge, 
Horner (Acadia), 
Horner 

(The Battlefords), 
Howard, 
Kindt, 
Knowles, 
Lambert, 



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Langlois, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Pascoe, 


Scott, 


Laprise, 


North and 


Paul, 


Slogan, 


Latulippe, 


Victoria), 


Perron, 


boutham, 


Loney, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Peters, 


Stefanson, 


Maclnnis, 


Nasserden, 


Pigeon, 


Stenson, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Nesbitt, 


Plourde, 


Valade, 


Macquarrie, 


Nielsen, 


Prittie, 


Vincent, 


MacRae, 


Noble, 


Rapp, 


Webb, 


McBain, 


Nowlan, 


Rheaume, 


Webster, 


Madill, 


Nugent, 


Ricard, 


Willoughby, 


Mandziuk, 


Orlikow, 


Rondeau, 


Winch, 


Monteith, 






Winkler— 74. 



463 



Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, moved, — That a select com- 
mittee be appointed to consider with Mr. Speaker the procedures and organi- 
zation of this House, for the purpose of suggesting any changes that would 
assure the more expeditious dispatch of public business and would strengthen 
Parliament and make it more effective; that the committee have power to send 
for persons and papers; that it report from time to time its findings and recom- 
mendations to the House; and that it consist, in addition to Mr. Speaker, of 14 
members to be designated at a later date. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was, by unanimous consent, 
adjourned. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 5 inclusive having been called were allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-28, An Act to pro- 
vide for Minimum Wages for Employees in Federal Works, Undertakings and 
Businesses; 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Fisher, moved, 
read a second time. 



That the said bill be now 
And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-36, An Act respecting The Canadian Union Conference Corporation 
of Seventh-day Adventists. — Mr. Honey. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy of His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Cham- 
ber. 



464 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable the 
Deputy of His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber His 
Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the 
following bill: 

An Act to Provide for the Placing of the Maritime Transportation Unions 
of Canada Under the Management and Control of Trustees. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



At 10.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 72 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



Prayers. 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 21st OCTOBER, 1963. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Copy of the Trade Agreement between Canada and the People's Republic of 
Bulgaria, signed at Ottawa, October 8, 1963, together with correspondence ex- 
changed. (English and French). 

The House resumed the adjourned debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Caron, seconded by Mr. Rock, — That the Second Report of the Standing Com- 
mittee on Privileges and Elections, presented to this House on Wednesday, 
October 9, 1963, be now concurred in; 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Plourde, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the Report of the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections be 
returned to the said Committee with the recommendation of the House that the 
following words be added to paragraph two: "The House recognizes that, 
according to the most elementary principles of decency, it is not up to the other 
political parties to decide which one of the two Social Credit groups constitutes 
the Social Credit party, and would leave it to the Social Credit members them- 
selves to decide on this question by a majority vote taken among the twenty- 
three Social Credit members." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 

Beaule, Cadieu, Chatterton, Cooper, 

Belanger, Cantelon, Churchill, Crouse, 

Bell, Caouette, Clancy, Danforth, 

Boutin, Casselman (Mrs.), Coates, Diefenbaker, 



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12 ELIZABETH II 



Dinsdale, 


Irvine, 


Monteith, 


Rheaume, 


Doucett, 


Kindt, 


More, 


Ricard, 


Fane, 


Lambert, 


Nasserden, 


Simpson, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


• Laprise, 


Nesbitt, 


Skoreyko, 


Revelstoke), 


Latulippe, 


Nielsen, 


Slogan, 


Forbes, 


Loney, 


Noble, 


Southam, 


Gauthier, 


Maclnnis, 


Nowlan, 


Starr, 


Gregoire, 


MacLean (Queens), Nugent, 


Stefanson, 


Gundlock, 


MacRae, 


Pascoe, 


Stenson, 


Hales, 


MeBain, 


Perron, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Harkness, 


McCutcheon, 


Pigeon, 


Webb, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Madill, 


Plourde, 


Willoughby, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Mandziuk, 


Pugh, 


Winkler— 69. 


Huron), 


Martineau, 


Rapp, 
Nays 
Messrs: 




Armstrong, 


Deachman, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Peters, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Denis, 


Klein, 


Pickersgill, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Deschatelets, 


Knowles, 


Pilon, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Douglas, 


Laing, 


Richard, 


Wolfe), 


Drury, 


Lamontagne, 


Rideout, 


Badanai, 


Dube, 


Lamoureux, 


Rinfret, 


Basford, 


Dupuis, 


Laverdiere, 


Robichaud, 


Batten, 


Emard, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Rochon, 


Bechard, 


fithier, 


Jean), 


Rock, 


Beer, 


Favreau, 


Macdonald, 


Rouleau, 


Benidickson, 


Fisher, 


MacNaught, 


Roxburgh, 


Benson, 


Forgie, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Berger, 


Foy, 


McMillan, 


Scott, 


Blouin, 


Garland, 


McNulty, 


Sharp, 


Boulanger, 


Girouard, 


McWilliam, 


Tardif, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gordon, 


Marcoux, 


Temple, 


Cowichan-The 


Granger, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Thompson, 


Islands), 


Groos, 


Matheson, 


Tremblay, 


Cantin, 


Guay, 


Matte, 


Tucker, 


Cardin, 


Habel, 


Mitchell, 


Turner, 


Caron, 


Haidasz, 


Moreau, 


Wahn, 


Carter, 


Harley, 


Munro, 


Walker, 


Cashin, 


Hellyer, 


Nicholson, 


Watson 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Herridge, 


O'Keefe, 


(Chateauguay- 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Honey, 


Olson, 


Huntingdon- 


Cowan, 


Howard, 


Orlikow, 


Laprairie), 


Crossman, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Ouellet, 


Webster, 


Cyr, 


South), 


Pearson, 


Whelan, 


Davis, 




Pepin, 


Winch— 106. 



After further debate, the question being put on the main motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to 
Standing and Special Committees". 



'Presenting Reports by 



Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce, presented the Ninth Report of the said Committee, 
which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that its quorum be reduced from 12 to 10 
Members, and that Standing Order 65(1) (d) be suspended in relation thereto. 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 21st OCTOBER 467 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Asselin, seconded by Mr. Moreau, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following four Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 931 — Mr. Stefanson 

1. What buildings have been erected by the federal government, with the 
cost of each, between June 21, 1957 and April 22, 1963, on the following Indian 
Reservations: Fisher River, Peguis, Lake Manitoba, Little Saskatchewan, Lake 
St. Martin, Jackhead, Grand Rapids and Norway House? 

2. What federal government buildings are planned for these reservations 
this year? 

No. 1,179 — Mr. Rheaume 

1. What is the capital investment of the Northern Canada Power Commis- 
sion in each of the following locations in the Northwest Territories (a) Fort 
Smith (b) Fort Simpson (c) Inuvik (d) Fort McPherson (c) Aklavik? 

2. What are the annual operating costs for the past three years of the 
stations (a), (b), (c), and (d) above? 

3. What were the annual revenues from all sources for each of the stations 
listed in part (1) under the following headings (a) sale of electricity (b) 
sale of heat (c) sale of water and sewage services (d) other? 

4. For each of the categories in part (3), what revenue was received from 
government agencies, and what revenue came from private persons and 
businesses? 

5. What is the present charge to the consumer in each of the above 
settlements for electricity per kilowatt hour in each of the following categories 
(a) commercial rates (b) private consumer? 

Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,233 — Mr. Nielsen 
Has the government received any representations for the improvement of 
the airport at Mayo in the Yukon Territory and, if so, from whom were such 
representations received, and what action is intended by the government in 
respect thereto? 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 1,251 — Mr. Herridge 

1. What are the latest estimates of Canada's share of downstream power 
benefits under the Columbia River Treaty (a) by year (b) by capacity, and 

(c) by energy, for the first 60 years from ratification (assuming 1964) attribut- 
able to (i) Mica Creek (ii) Duncan Lake (iii) High Arrow? 

2. By whom were these estimates prepared? 

3. If the answer to 2 is not a Canadian authority, has any Canadian 
authority prepared similar estimates independently? 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



46.fi HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

By unanimous consent, at 5.00 o'clock p.m. the hour for Private Members' 
Business was set aside in order to permit the House to proceed to Supply Order 
No. 3. 

Whereupon, the Order for the House to resolve itself into Committee of 
Supply being read for the third time pursuant to Standing Order 56(2); 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Starr, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be deleted and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"this Government, because of its confusion, inconsistency, and 
pusillanimous dawdling and delays in taking effective action, has en- 
couraged chaos approaching anarchy to develop on the Great Lakes, 
the Seaway and in several Canadian ports, thereby causing disruption in 
shipping and the placing in jeopardy of essential trade in general, and 
in particular contracts for delivery of wheat to foreign countries." 

And debate arising thereon and continuing; the said debate was interrupted 
at ten o'clock. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-37, An Act to amend the Carriage by Air Act, to 
which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions' 



On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, it was ordered, — 
That the Order of the House, dated June 3, 1963, for a Return to the following 
Question, be discharged: 

No. 12 — Mr. Fisher 

1. From the 1st day of May, 1960, to the 30th day of April, 1963, were any 
lands or buildings acquired by the National Capital Commission in (a) the City 
of Ottawa (b) the County of Carleton (c) the County of Russell (d) the City of 
Hull (e) the County of Hull (/)' the County of Gatineau? 

2. If so, (a) from whom (b) on what date (c) what is the legal description 
and total acreage of the property in each case (d) what was the total price paid 
to the vendor or any other persons in respect to the acquisition of each such 
property (e) for what purpose, either present or future, was each such property 
acquired, and to what use is each presently being put? 

3. At the present time, has the National Capital Commission any agree- 
ments of sale or options for the acquisition of other property, or has it com- 
menced expropriation proceedings for the acquisition of other property in any 
of the aforesaid cities or counties? 

4. If so, (a) what is the legal description and total acreage of each such 
property (b) from whom is each such property to be acquired (c) what is the 
total price payable to the vendor or any other person under any such agree- 
ment of sale or option in respect of the acquisition of each such property (d) 



A.D. 1963 MONDAY, 21st OCTOBER 469 

what is the total price which has been offered to the owner of any such 
property in respect of which expropriation proceedings may have been com- 
menced (e) for what purpose, either present or future, is each such property 
to be acquired, and to what use will such property be put? 



On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was ordered, — 
That the Items listed in the Main Estimates and the Supplementary Estimates 
(A) and (D) for 1963-64, relating to the Department of Veterans Affairs, pre- 
sented to this House at the present session, be withdrawn from the Committee 
of Supply and referred to the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs, saving 
always the powers of the Committee of Supply in relation to the voting of 
public monies. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated October 16, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence 
exchanged between the Winnipeg School Division No. 1 and the Minister of 
National Health and Welfare, dated since April 22, 1963, concerning the subject 
of tobacco advertising on radio and television. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 103). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1963-1501, dated October 10, 1963, authorizing a revision in payment terms 
originally approved by Order in Council P.C. 1962-123, dated January 30, 1962, 
made under section 21 a of the Export Credits Insurance Act, whereby the Export 
Credits Insurance Corporation extended long-term financing for the purchase 
by the Republic of Liberia of telecommunication equipment and related services 
from RCA Victor Company, Ltd., of Montreal, Quebec, pursuant to section 21b 
of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 73 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 22nd OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 



On October 17th, in the course of proceedings, the honourable Member 
for Grey-Bruce (Mr. Winkler) rising on a question of privilege, stated, in 
part, as follows: "Yesterday, (that is Wednesday, October 16th), a motion for 
the production of papers was on the Order Paper — motion No. 99 — and there 
was an extended discussion with regard to the existence of a certain document. 
In the course of that discussion it was stated by the Postmaster General that 
this document did not exist. These words are to be found in Hansard at page 
3626. A little earlier, the Secretary of State also stated that the document did 
not exist. This was in accord with discussions which took place during consul- 
tation between the Secretary of State and the Post Office Department. 

"For the benefit of the House and the country, I have such a document 
before me now. As a matter of fact, it is a copy of the document in question 
whose production was requested under the terms of motion No. 99. If the 
House so desires, I am prepared to table it and that would end the discussion." 

Later, the honourable gentleman went on to say: "If I may say a further 
word, the main point at this juncture is not whether the list which I have is 
authentic — though I believe it to be so. It is that the Secretary of State misled 
the House yesterday when he said this particular document did not exist. Also, 
if the words of the Secretary of State were clear, and I believe they were, then, 
of course, the Postmaster General has misled the Secretary of State as he mis- 
led the entire House." 

As the honourable gentleman implied, there were two points involved in 
this question. 

If the House will permit, I would like to deal first with the question of 
whether a private Member may table a document. 

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472 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Citation 209, Beauchesne's 4th Edition, states, in part: "Papers are laid 
before the House in pursuance of 

(1) Provisions of an Act of Parliament; 

(2) An Order of the House; 

(3) An Address to the Crown; 

(4) The Command of the Crown; 

(5) Standing Orders of the House." 

According to this citation, no Member can table a document as in the 
present circumstances, unless there is some authority for such action. 

I think the honourable gentleman from Grey-Bruce tacitly admitted this 
fact when he asked for unanimous consent to table the document. 

The second point raised by the honourable Member for Grey-Bruce is 
that the Honourable the Postmaster General, as well as the Secretary of State, 
have misled the House when they stated that such document did not exist. 

I must say that, after looking over the record, the difficulty would appear 
to be a difference of opinion. 

On the one hand, it is asserted that no such document had been prepared 
and does not exist while, on the other hand, the Member for Grey-Bruce has 
a document which he contends is a copy thereof. 

In other words, there is a dispute as to facts. 

In this regard, I would like to refer to Citation 113, Beauchesne's 4th Edi- 
tion, where it is stated, in part, as follows: "... a dispute arising between two 
Members, as to allegations of facts, does not fulfill the conditions of parliamen- 
tary privilege." 

Therefore, in my opinion, a prima facie breach of privilege does not arise 
in this instance. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Brown be substituted for that of Mr. Blouin, on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

An Act to amend the Carriage by Air Act. — Mr. Mcllraith. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Starr, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the 
following substituted therefor: 

"this Government, because of its confusion, inconsistency, and pusil- 
lanimous dawdling and delays in taking effective action, has encouraged 
chaos approaching anarchy to develop on the Great Lakes, the Seaway 
and in several Canadian ports, thereby causing disruption in shipping 
and the placing in jeopardy of essential trade in general, and in particu- 
lar contracts for delivery of wheat to foreign countries." 

And debate continuing; at 8.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (d) ; 



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TUESDAY, 22nd OCTOBER 



473 



And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the main 
motion, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Alkenbrack, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Bell, 

Bigg, 

Cadieu, 

Cantelon, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Fane, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Forbes, 



Addison, 

Armstrong, 

Asselin (Notre- 
Dame-de-Grace), 

Asselin (Richmond- 
Wolfe), 

Badanai, 

Basford, 

Batten, 

Beaule, 

Bechard, 

Beer, 

Belanger, 

Benidickson, 

Benson, 

Berger, 

Blouin, 

Boulanger, 

Brewin, 

Brown, 

Byrne, 

Cameron (High 
Park), 

Cameron (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The 
Islands), 

Cantin, 

Caouette, 

Cardin, 

Caron, 

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Grafftey, 
Gundlock, 
Hales, 
Harkness, 
Horner (Acadia), 
Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 
Irvine, 
Jorgenson, 
Kennedy, 
Kindt, 
Lamb, 
Lambert, 
Loney, 
MacEwan, 
Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens), 
Macquarrie, 
MacRae, 
McBain, 
McCutcheon, 



Mcintosh, 

Madill, 

Mandziuk, 

Martineau, 

Millar, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

More, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nielsen, 
Noble, 
Nugent, 
Ormiston, 
Pascoe, 
Paul, 
Pigeon, 



Nays 



Messrs: 



Carter, 

Cashin, 

Chapdelaine, 

Chevrier, 

Choquette, 

Cote (Chicoutimi), 

Cote (Longueuil), 

Cowan, 

Crossman, 

Cyr, 

Davis, 

Deachman, 

Denis, 

Deschatelets, 

Dionne, 

Douglas, 

Drouin, 

Dube, 

Dupuis, 

Emard, 

Ethier, 

Eudes, 

Favreau, 

Fisher, 

Forest, 

Forgie, 

Foy, 

Frenette, 

Garland, 

Gauthier, 



Gelber, 

Gendron, 

Girouard, 

Granger, 

Gray, 

Greene, 

Groos, 

Guay, 

Habel, 

Hahn, 

Haidasz, 

Harley, 

Hays, 

Hellyer, 

Herridge, 

Honey, 

Howard, 

Howe (Hamilton 

South), 
Jewett (Miss), 
Kelly, 
Klein, 
Knowles, 
LaMarsh (Miss), 
Lamontagne, 
Lamoureux, 
Langlois, 
Laniel, 
Laprise, 
Latulippe, 



Pugh, 

Rapp, 

Rheaume, 

Ricard, 

Rynard, 

Simpson, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smith, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Weichel, 

Willoughby, 

Winkler— 79. 



Laverdiere, 
Leduc, 

Lessard (Lac-Saint- 
Jean), 
Loiselle, 
Macdonald, 
MacEachen, 
Mcllraith, 
McMillan, 
McNulty, 
McWilliam, 
Marcoux, 

Martin (Essex East), 
Matheson, 
Matte, 
Mitchell, 
Moreau, 
Mullally, 
Nicholson, 
O'Keefe, 
Olson, 
Orlikow, 
Otto, 
Ouellet, 
Pennell, 
Pickersgill, 
Pilon, 
Prittie, 
Richard, 
Rideout, 



474 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 



Rinfret, 


Ryan, 


Thompson, 


Watson 


Robichaud, 


Sauve, 


Tremblay, 


(Chateauguay- 


Rochon, 


Scott, 


Tucker, 


Huntingdon- 


Rock, 


Sharp, 


Turner, 


Laprairie), 


Rondeau, 


Tardif, 


Wahn, 


Webster, 


Rouleau, 


Teillet, 


Walker, 


Whelan, 


Roxburgh, 


Temple, 




Winch— 137. 



And debate continuing on the main motion; at ten o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker interrupted the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56 (4) (f); 

And the question being put on the main motion, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply; 
it was agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The estimates of three departments were first taken up and entered for 
consideration, pursuant to Standing Order 56(5) (b), as follows: 

FORESTRY 

1 Departmental Administration including $24,000 for grants 

in aid of forestry research $ 1,060,700 00 

JUSTICE 

1 Departmental Administration including grants and contri- 
butions as detailed in the Estimates $ 1,378,100 00 

NATIONAL DEFENCE 

1 Departmental Administration including authority, not- 
withstanding section 30 of the Financial Administration 
Act, and subject to allotment by the Treasury Board, 
for total commitments of $2,529,570,600 for the purposes 
of Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60 
and 65 of this Department regardless of the year in 
which such commitments will come in course of pay- 
ment (of which it is estimated that $978,136,600 will 
come due for payment in future years) and authority to 
make recoverable advances under any of the said 
votes in respect of assistance rendered to the United 
Nations, any party of the North Atlantic Treaty Or- 
ganization or any provincial or municipal govern- 
ment $ 3,432,000 00 

To be reported. 



Report received and the Committee of Supply obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put, until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 23rd OCTOBER 475 

No. 74 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 23rd OCTOBER, 1963. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

The honourable Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen), having risen on a ques- 
tion of privilege, referred to certain proceedings of the House and proposed 
to move, seconded by Mr. Winkler, — That the matters raised, and the state- 
ment made to the House on the 22nd day of October, 1963, by Mr. Speaker, be 
referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, and that the 
said Committee be instructed to report its findings thereon to the House. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: The matter is not without a certain amount of difficulty 
and heat. It would appear in the first instance that this is a continuation of the 
debate last night. However, a question of privilege has been raised. I have 
given some thought to the questions raised last night and to the question of 
privilege raised today. It is, of course, my duty to say whether there is a 
prima facie case before I consider the motion moved by the Honourable Member 
for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen). If I may clear up some points of confusion I think 
it might be useful at this time to make a reasonably short statement to the 
House on how the Chair sees the matter. 

At the opening of yesterday's sitting, I presented to the House my views 
concerning a question of privilege raised by the honourable Member for Grey- 
Bruce (Mr. Winkler) in relation to the existence of a document in the office 
of the Honourable the Postmaster General. 

I may briefly summarize my views in regard to that question of privilege 
by saying that in my opinion the matter was, in effect, a dispute between two 
Members as to allegations of facts, and, therefore, a prima facie breach of 
privilege did not arise in regard thereto. 



476 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Last evening the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. 
Knowles) rose on a question of privilege in relation to the same matter, and, 
as reported at pages 3884-5 of Hansard, stated in part as follows: "I realize 
that you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, are in the Chair at the moment, but my point 
of privilege is that in all fairness to all the Members of this House His Honour 
the Speaker must now reconsider this matter and report again to the House 
upon it. We have been told by him we have to take the Minister's word and 
that the honourable Member for Grey-Bruce has no point of privilege so far 
as the existence of this document is concerned. Tonight, the Postmaster Gen- 
eral has admitted the existence of the document. He declares it has some dif- 
ferent purpose than we might have thought, but he admits the existence of the 
document. He states, in his own words, what the purpose of it has been. I say 
that Mr. Speaker should reconsider this matter. If this document is now admit- 
ted by all concerned to exist, reconsideration should be given to the matter of 
whether or not it should be tabled, either by the Member for Grey-Bruce, who 
has a copy of it, or preferably by the Postmaster General himself who has 
now admitted its existence. 

"The Postmaster General now comes under the citation in the book which 
says that a Minister of the Crown, having made a reference to a document, must 
produce it. The Postmaster General made a reference to the document. He has 
admitted its existence. He has made certain statements as to the use of that 
document, and therefore the rules of the House now require him to produce 
that document. I ask that Mr. Speaker reconsider this very serious matter that 
has arisen in the midst of this debate tonight." 

At this juncture, I must say that I am not aware of having used certain 
words which were attributed to me by the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
North Centre, namely, and I quote "We have been told by him we have 
to take the Minister's word and that the honourable Member for Grey-Bruce 
has no point of privilege so far as the existence of this document is concerned." 

What I endeavoured to say was that the question was, in effect, a dispute 
between two Members as to allegations of facts. 

While I do not wish to enter into a debate on this question it might be 
helpful if I were to review a few of the proceedings leading up to the incident 
of last evening. 

On Wednesday, October 16, 1963, the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
North (Mr. Orlikow) proposed a motion in the following terms, namely: "That 
an Order of the House do issue for a list of "consultants" prepared in the office 
of the Postmaster General for the guidance of Cabinet Ministers and copies of 
all correspondence between Ministers of the Crown and the "consultants" in 
each riding." 

Whereupon the Honourable the Secretary of State, as recorded on page 
3626 of Hansard, stated: "Mr. Speaker, I wonder could I raise a question of 
privilege with respect to this motion. I think Your Honour on reading it will 
see that the language of the motion is so obscure that it would not be possible 
for anyone reading the motion by itself — which is all that is before the House — 
to discern what the honourable gentleman was driving at. I have consulted 
the Postmaster General, who tells me that in his office no document of any 
description was prepared for the guidance of his colleagues, and therefore 
there could be no such document even if the motion were put." 

Later on in the discussion the Honourable Postmaster General is recorded 
at page 3626 as having stated: "Mr. Speaker, the Secretary of State should 
know whether he has received such a list for his guidance, but I never sent 
out any list for the guidance of the Secretary of State or any other Minister. It 
does not exist. Therefore I do not think we should answer in regard to some- 
thing that does not exist." 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 23rd OCTOBER 477 

The following day, Thursday, October 17, 1963, the honourable Member for 
Grey-Bruce, rising on a question of privilege, held in his hand a document 
which he alleged to be the document that the honourable Member for Winni- 
peg North sought to obtain by virtue of his motion. 

It is a fact, of course, that the Honourable the Postmaster General acknowl- 
edges the existence of a document that is kept in his office, but he contends 
that the document is for his own personal use. See page 3884 of yesterday's 
Hansard. 

I need not refer again at this time to the discussion which arose last eve- 
ning, but it seems to me that the debate which occurred last night brings us 
back to our original point of departure. 

The problem, as I see it, is a matter of debate. On the one hand, it is 
claimed that there is no such document as described in the terms of the motion 
made by the honourable Member for Winnipeg North, while, on the other, it is 
contended that such document does exist and the honourable Member for 
Grey-Bruce exhibited a document in the House which he contends fits the terms 
of the motion made by the honourable Member for Winnipeg North. 

It is not the duty of the Chair, nor is he in a position to decide whether 
or not there is such a document. If the matter is debated, the Chair cannot 
and must not participate therein. I need only remind honourable Members that 
in this regard Standing Order 10 reads in part as follows: "Mr. Speaker shall 
not take part in any debate before the House." 

Before terminating my remarks, I might refer to part of the remarks made 
by the honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre wherein he states: "The 
Postmaster General now comes under the citation in the book which says that 
a Minister of the Crown, having made a reference to a document, must produce 
it." 

At page 460, May's 16th edition, it is stated: "Another rule, or principle of 
debate, may be here added. A Minister of the Crown is not at liberty to read or 
quote, from a dispatch or other state paper not before the House, unless he be 
prepared to lay it on the Table." 

In Bourinot's 4th edition at page 337 it is stated: "It is a parliamentary rule 
that when a Minister of the Crown quotes a public document in the House, and 
founds upon it an argument or assertion, that document, if called for, ought to 
be produced." 

At page 338 of the same publication it is stated in part as follows: "A Min- 
ister who summarizes a correspondence but does not actually quote from it is 
not bound to lay it on the Table." 

The effect of the same rule is to be found in section 2 of citation 159, Beau- 
chesne's 4th edition, wherein in part it is stated as follows: "2. A Minister of 
the Crown is not at liberty to read or quote from a dispatch or other state 
paper not before the House, unless he be prepared to lay it upon the Table." 

There is, I suggest, a difference between referring to a document and the 
citing or reading from the same. Using these citations as my authority, it seems 
to me that the rule referred to by the honourable Member for Winnipeg North 
Centre does not apply in this instance. 

In conclusion I should like to say that it is not within the competence of 
the Chair to order any Minister to produce a document that may or may not 
be in his office. In this regard I refer honourable Members to a ruling of the 
Chair and a decision of the House thereon, which is to be found at page 237 of 
the Journals, April 28, 1952. 

In my opinion, there not being a prima facie case of privilege I do not feel 
that the motion as moved by the honourable Member for Yukon is in order. 



478 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



12 ELIZABETH II 



Whereupon the honourable Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) appealed to 
the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" It was decided in the affirmative on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cowan, 


Hellyer, 


Ouellet, 


Armstrong, 


Crossman, 


Honey, 


Patterson, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Cyr, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Pearson, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Davis, 


Kelly, 


Pennell, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Deachman, 


Lachance, 


Pickersgill, 


Wolfe), 


Deschatelets, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pilon, 


Badanai, 


Drury, 


Lamontagne, 


Regan, 


Basford, 


Dube, 


Laniel, 


Richard, 


Batten, 


Dupuis, 


Laverdiere, 


Rideout, 


Bechard, 


Emard, 


Leduc, 


Rinfret, 


Beer, 


Ethier, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Robichaud, 


Benidickson, 


Eudes, 


Jean), 


Rochon, 


Benson, 


Favreau, 


Macaluso, 


Rouleau, 


Berger, 


Forest, 


Macdonald, 


Roxburgh, 


Blouin, 


Forgie, 


MacEachen, 


Ryan, 


Boulanger, 


Frenette, 


MacNaught, 


Sauve, 


Brown, 


Garland, 


Mcllraith, 


Sharp, 


Byrne, 


Gelber, 


McMillan, 


Tardif, 


Cameron (High 


Gendron, 


McNulty, 


Teillet, 


Park), 


Girouard, 


McWilliam, 


Temple, 


Cantin, 


Gordon, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Thompson, 


Cardin, 


Granger, 


Matheson, 


Tremblay, 


Caron, 


Gray, 


Matte, 


Tucker, 


Carter, 


Greene, 


Mitchell, 


Turner, 


Cashin, 


Groos, 


Moreau, 


Walker, 


Chapdelaine, 


Guay, 


Morison, 


Watson 


Chevrier, 


Habel, 


Mullally, 


(Chateauguay- 


Choquette, 


Haidasz, 


Munro, 


Huntingdon- 


Chretien, 


Hahn, 


Nicholson, 


Laprairie), 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Harley, 


O'Keefe, 


Whelan— 116. 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Hays, 


Olson, 





Nays 



Messrs: 



Alkenbrack, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Beaule, 

Belanger, 

Bell, 

Bigg, 

Brewin, 

Cadieu (Meadow 

Lake), 
Cameron (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The 

Islands), 



Cantelon, 

Caouette, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Doucett, 

Douglas, 



Fane, 

Fisher, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Forbes, 
Gauthier, 
Grafftey, 
Gundlock, 
Hales, 
Harkness, 
Herridge, 
Horner (Acadia), 
Howard, 



Howe (Hamilton 
South), 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 

Irvine, 

Jorgenson, 

Kennedy, 

Kindt, 

Knowles, 

Lamb, 

Langlois, 

Laprise, 

Latulippe, 



A.D. 1963 


WEDNESDAY, 


23rd OCT 


MacEwan, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Pigeon, 


Maclnnis, 


North and 


Plourde, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Victoria), 


Prittie, 


MaCquarrie, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Pugh, 


MacRae, 


Nasserden, 


Rapp, 


McBain, 


Nesbitt, 


Rheaume, 


Mcintosh, 


Nielsen, 


Ricard, 


Madill, 


Noble, 


Rondeau, 


Mandziuk, 


Nowlan, 


Rynard, 


Martineau, 


Nugent, 


Scott, 


Millar, 


Orlikow, 


Simpson, 


Monteith, 


Pascoe, 


Skoreyko, 


Moore, 


Paul, 


Slogan, 


More, 


Peters, 


Smith, 



479 



Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Webster, 

Weichel, 

Willoughby, 

Winch, 

Winkler— 100. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Otto be substituted for that of Mr. Francis on the Special 
Committee on Food and Drugs. 



Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Ricard, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before 
this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, communications and other 
documents received from the Government of the United States of America or 
any of its departments or exchanged between the Government of the United 
States of America and the Government of Canada, or any of their respective 
departments, concerning the sale of wheat by Canada to the U.S.S.R., other 
communist countries and Japan, or pertaining to any representations made 
about the price of wheat sold to these countries. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 97). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Pontiac-Temiscamingue (Mr. Martineau) 
stated that he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order of 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 101, 107, 109, 
111 and 112) having been called were allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, let- 
ters and other documents received by the government or any agency or branch 
thereof or exchanged between the government or any agency or branch 
thereof and any other person, organization or government since January 
1, 1962, dealing with the possibility of expanding the facilities of the grain 
elevator in Prince Rupert, B.C., or dealing with the handling of grain through 
the said elevator. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 102). 



On motion of Mr. Rochon, seconded by Mr. Pilon, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of any correspondence exchanged be- 
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480 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

tween the Minister of Public Works or officials of his Department and the 
members of "La Corporation Inter-Urbaine de rile Jesus" regarding the dredg- 
ing of the Riviere des Mille lies and the Riviere des Prairies. — (Notice of Mo- 
tion for the Production of Papers No. 104). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all communications received by 
the Prime Minister, or by any other Member of the Cabinet, dated since 
April 22nd, 1963, from life insurance companies, private pension firms or con- 
sultants, private actuarial consultants, investment houses and Chambers of 
Commerce, concerning the proposed Canada Pension Plan, and a copy of all 
replies thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 105). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Howard, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of the text of the speech made in 
the name of the Minister of National Health and Welfare on the Canada Pen- 
sion Plan at a meeting of the Canadian Pension Conference held in Toronto on 
Monday, September 30th, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 106). 



On motion of Mr. Rapp, seconded by Mr. Mcintosh, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence reports or surveys 
received by the Minister of Agriculture, the Minister of Trade and Commerce, 
the Canadian Wheat Board, the Board of Grain Commissioners for Canada or 
officers of any government department or agency with respect to the construc- 
tion of a grain terminal at Tisdale, Saskatchewan. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 108). 



On motion of Mr. Muir (Cape Breton North and Victoria), seconded by 
Mr. MacLean (Queens), it was ordered, — That there be laid before this House 
a copy of a letter dated September 17, 1963, addressed by Mr. C. H. Sproule, 
Chairman of the Maritime Lumber Bureau to the Minister of Finance on the 
subject of federal sales tax and a copy of any reply thereto. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 110). 



On motion of Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
since April 8, 1963, by the Postmaster General or any employee of the Post 
Office Department on the one hand, and Mr. Luc Gilbert Lessard of Black 
Lake, Megantic County, on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 113). 



On motion of Mr. Latulippe, seconded by Mr. Langlois, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
since April 8, 1963, between the Postmaster General or any employee of the 
Post Office Department and Mr. Cecil Dougherty of Lennoxville, in the County 
of Frontenac. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 114). 



A.D. 1963 WEDNESDAY, 23rd OCTOBER 481 

On motion of Mr. Caouette for Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Plourde, it 
was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence 
exchanged since April 8, 1963, by the Postmaster General or any employee of 
the Post Office Department on the one hand, and Mr. Rene Cote of 94 rue Fon- 
taine, Jonquiere, on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 115). 



On motion of Mr. Caouette, seconded by Mr. Plourde, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
since April 8, 1963, by the Postmaster General or any employee of the Post 
Office Department on the one hand, and Mr. Stephan Cuddihy of Rouyn, 
Villeneuve County, on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 116). 



On motion of Mr. Laprise, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
since April 8, 1963, by the Postmaster General or any employee of the Post 
Office Department on the one hand, and Mr. Theo Beaudry of Chapleau County 
on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 117). 



On motion of Mr. Belanger, seconded by Mr. Plourde, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
since April 8, 1963, by the Postmaster General or any employee of the Post 
Office Department on the one hand, and Mr. Merede Bouchard of St. Gregoire, 
Montmorency, on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 118). 



On motion of Mr. Beaule for Mr. Boutin, seconded by Mr. Plourde, it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence 
exchanged since April 8, 1963, between the Postmaster General or any officials 
of the Post Office Department and Mr. Francis O'Farrell, 984 Salaberry Street, 
Quebec City. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 119). 



On motion of Mr. Plourde, seconded by Mr. Belanger, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
since April 8, 1963, between the Postmaster General or any of the officials of 
the Post Office Department and Mr. Jean-Paul Nolin, 152 Belanger Street, 
Quebec West. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 120). 



On motion of Mr. Beaule, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged since 
April 8, 1963, between the Postmaster General or any of the officials of the 
Post Office Department and Mr. Albert Parent, 2110 Boulevard Sainte-Anne, 
Quebec City, Que. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 121). 



On motion of Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Beaule, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged since 
April 8, 1963, between the Postmaster General or any official of the Post 
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482 HOUSE OF COMMONS 12 ELIZABETH II 

Office Department on one hand and Mr. Albert Garant, P.O. Box 456, Roberval, 
P.Q., on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
122). 



On motion of Mr. Rondeau for Mr. Perron, seconded by Mr. Langlois, it 
was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence 
exchanged since April 8, 1963, by the Postmaster General or any official 
of the Post Office Department on one hand, and Mr. Jean-Paul Racine, of Ste- 
Honore de Shenley, County of Beauce, on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 123). 



On motion of Mr. Rondeau, seconded by Mr. Langlois, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
since April 8, 1963, between the Postmaster General or any official of the Post 
Office Department on the one hand, and Mr. Gerard Lacaille, St-Paul d' Abbots- 
ford, on the other hand. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 124). 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Chevrier, — That a select committee be appointed 
to consider with Mr. Speaker the procedures and organization of this House, for 
the purpose of suggesting any changes that would assure the more expeditious 
dispatch of publi