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JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF 

CANADA 



. From Tuesday, February 18, 1964, to April 2, 1965, both days 
inclusive, in the Thirteenth and Fourteenth Years of the Reign of our 
Sovereign Lady, Queen Elizabeth the Second 



SECOND SESSION OF THE TWENTY-SIXTH PARLIAMENT OF CANADA 



The Honourable Alan A. Macnaughton, Speaker 



SESSION 1964-65 

PRINTED BY ORDER OF PARLIAMENT 

ROGER DUHAMEL, F.R.S.C. 
QUEEN'S PRINTER AND CONTROLLER OF STATIONERY 
OTTAWA, 1965 

Volume CXI One Hundred and Eleventh Volume 

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CONTENTS 

Page 

Proclamation iii 

Journals of the House of Commons 1 

List of Appendices to the Journals 1233 

The Ministry and their Parliamentary Secretaries 1237 

Officers of the Commons 1238 

Alphabetical List of Members with their Constituencies 1239 

Alphabetical List of Constituencies and Members thereof 1243 

Index to Journals 1247 




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PROCLAMATION 




GEORGES P. VANIER 
[L.S.] 



CANADA 



ELIZABETH THE SECOND, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories QUEEN, Head of the 
Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. 

To Our Beloved and Faithful the Senators of Canada, and the Members 
elected to serve in the House of Commons of Canada, and to each and 
every of you, 

Greeting: 
A PROCLAMATION 

WHEREAS the Meeting of Our Parliament of Canada stands prorogued to 
the thirtieth day of the month of January, 1964. Nevertheless, for certain 
causes and considerations, We have thought fit further to Prorogue the same 
to Tuesday the eighteenth day of the month of February, 1964, so that neither 
you nor any of you on the said thirtieth day of January, 1964, at Our City of 
Ottawa, to appear are to be held and constrained, for We do Will that you and 
each of you be as to Us in this matter entirely exonerated; Commanding, and 
by the tenor of these Presents, enjoining you and each of you, and all others in 
this behalf interested, that on Tuesday, the eighteenth day of the month of 
February, 1964, at three o'clock in the afternoon, at Our City of Ottawa afore- 
said, personally you be and appear for the DESPATCH OF BUSINESS, to treat, 
do, act and conclude upon those things which in Our said Parliament of Canada, 
by the Common Council of Canada, may by the favour of God be ordained. 

In Testimony Whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent 
and the Great Seal of Canada to be hereunto affixed. Witness: Our 
Right Trusty and Well-beloved Counsellor, General Georges P. Vanier, 
a member of Our Most Honourable Privy Council, Companion of Our 
Distinguished Service Order upon whom We have conferred Our 
Military Cross and Our Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

At Our Government House, in Our City of Ottawa, this twenty-fourth day 
of January, in the year of Our Lord one thousand nine hundred and 
sixty-four in the twelfth year of Our Reign. 

By Command, 

JEAN MIQUELON, 
Under Secretary of State. 

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN 
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A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 18th FEBRUARY 

No. 1 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 18th FEBRUARY, 1964. 



3.00 o'clock p.m. 

This being the day on which Parliament has been convoked by Proclama- 
tion of the Governor General for the despatch of business, and the Members of 
the House being assembled: 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

Government House 
Ottawa 

3rd February, 1964. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that His Excellency the Governor General 
will arrive at the Main Entrance of the Parliament Buildings at 3.00 p.m. on 
Tuesday the 18th February, 1964, and when it has been signified that all is 
in readiness, will proceed to the Chamber of the Senate to open formally the 
Second Session of the Twenty-sixth Parliament of Canada. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

ESMOND BUTLER, 
Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



2 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

A Message was delivered by the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod: 

"Mr. Speaker, His Excellency the Governor General desires the immediate 
attendance of this Honourable House in the Chamber of the Honourable the 
Senate." 



The House attended accordingly; 
And being returned: 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received 
from the Chief Electoral Officer certificates of the election and return of two 
Members, namely: 

Fernand-E. Leblanc, Esquire, for the Electoral District of Laurier; and 
Marcel Prud'homme, Esquire, for the Electoral District of Saint-Denis. 



CANADA 
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 

To the Clerk of the House of Commons: 

This is to certify that pursuant to a writ dated on the twenty-seventh day 
of December, 1963, and addressed to Ruben Levesque of Montreal, in the 
Province of Quebec, for the election of a Member to serve in the House of 
Commons of Canada for the electoral district of Laurier, in the place and stead 
of the Honourable Lionel Chevrier, who has resigned, Fernand-E. Leblanc, 
4551, rue Gamier, Montreal, Chartered Accountant, has been returned as elected. 

Given under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this eighteenth day of 
February, 1964. 

N. CASTONGUAY (L.S.), 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



CANADA 
OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 

To the Clerk of the House of Commons: 

This is to certify that pursuant to a writ dated on the twenty-seventh day 
of December, 1963, and addressed to Armand Laurencelle of Montreal, in the 
Province of Quebec, for the election of a Member to serve in the House of Com- 
mons of Canada for the electoral district of Saint-Denis, in the place and stead 
of the Honourable Azellus Denis, who has resigned, Marcel Prud'homme, 428 
est, rue Beaubien, Montreal, graduate in law, has been returned as elected. 

Given under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this eighteenth day of 
February, 1964. 

N. CASTONGUAY (L.S.), 
Chief Electoral Officer. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 18th FEBRUARY 3 

The following Members, having taken and subscribed the oath required by 
Law, took their seats: 

Fernand-E. Leblanc, Esquire, for the Electoral District of Laurier; and 
Marcel Prud'homme, Esquire, for the Electoral District of Saint-Denis. 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-l, An Act respecting the Administration of Oaths of Office, 
which was read the first time. 



Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend His Excellency the 
Governor General this day in the Senate Chamber, His Excellency was pleased 
to make a Speech to both Houses of Parliament, and to prevent mistakes, he had 
obtained a copy, which is as follows: 

Honourable Members of the Senate: 

Members of the House of Commons: 

I welcome you to the second session of the twenty-sixth Parliament of 
Canada. 

This is a time when it is possible, despite our many problems, to deliberate 
on Canadian and world affairs in a spirit of reasoned hopefulness. 

My Government will attempt to make its full contribution to the mainte- 
nance of peace and the improvement of international relations; to the strength- 
ening of our national unity through a co-operative federalism; to fostering the 
full employment of our people and the efficient growth of our economy; and to 
broadening the opportunities for a good life which should be open to all 
Canadians. 

We are looking forward to the visit this autumn of Her Majesty Queen 
Elizabeth. The presence of the Queen of Canada will mark for our country the 
historic occasion of the interprovincial conferences on confederation; it will 
also re-emphasize the importance we attach to the Commonwealth, through 
which so much can be done to advance understanding and co-operation in this 
increasingly interdependent world. 

We recently had great pleasure in welcoming to Ottawa the Prime Minister 
and the Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom, with whom many matters of 
mutual concern were fruitfully discussed. 

Since the close of the last session of Parliament, my Prime Minister has 
visited France and the United States. His friendly discussions with the President 
of the Republic of France will help to encourage an increasingly intimate 
relationship between France and Canada. 

The unique partnership of Canada and the United States was symbolized 
in the signing by the President and the Prime Minister of an agreement by 
which the two countries become, for the first time, joint owners of property in 
what is to be the Roosevelt-Campobello International Park. You will be asked to 
approve legislation implementing this agreement. 

A protocol signed during the Prime Minister's visit to Washington will 
make the Columbia River Treaty a basis for developments of great advantage 



4 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

to both countries. This was made possible by successful negotiations between 
my Ministers and the Government of British Columbia. You will be asked to 
examine and approve the Columbia River Treaty and the protocol. 

Canada will this year be taking part in important trade and tariff negotia- 
tions. My Ministers will negotiate for the expansion of markets for Canadian 
exports through the liberalization of world trade. 

In the conduct of external affairs, my Government will continue to work 
for the conciliation of international differences and for practical steps toward 
adequately controlled disarmament. Such steps depend on keeping the defences 
of the free world strong. My Government will submit for your approval a 
statement of a new defence policy designed to maintain an effective Canadian 
contribution to keeping the peace in co-operation with our allies. 

At home there has been a heartening expansion of the economy. Employ- 
ment has increased at an accelerated rate and the number of Canadians seeking 
work has fallen. More progress is, however, required. My Ministers will propose 
a variety of measures which will further increase employment and raise the 
standard of living by strengthening and expanding the primary and secondary 
industries of Canada. 

Comprehensive proposals to reform public regulation of the railways, and 
to facilitate the adaptation of the railway system to present and future needs, 
will be submitted for your consideration. 

A measure will be placed before you to establish minimum wages, maxi- 
mum working hours, statutory holidays and other labour standards for work 
under federal jurisdiction. 

A measure will be placed before you to establish a comprehensive system 
of contributory pensions. 

You will be asked to authorize, after consultation with the provinces, 
arrangements whereby university students requiring such assistance will be 
able to secure loans without payment of interest during the years of study. 

Major amendments to the National Housing Act will be proposed. 

You will be asked to approve the changes in fiscal arrangements with 
the provinces, decided upon at the Federal-Provincial Conference last Novem- 
ber, which implement the principle of equalization in provincial revenues from 
the shared tax fields. It is my Ministers' policy to continue the series of federal- 
provincial conferences which last year achieved considerable progress in im- 
proving federal-provincial co-operation. 

A measure will be placed before you to provide for a Minister responsible 
for Rural Development, in order that my Government may carry further its 
policy of giving increased attention to the needs of agriculture in both eastern 
and western Canada. You will be asked to consider other measures to assist 
in the improvement of farms and of farm income. 

A measure will be placed before you to establish a twelve-mile limit for 
the use of Canadian fisheries. In co-operation with the provinces, my Govern- 
ment will undertake a national fisheries development programme reflecting 
the outcome of the Federal-Provincial Conference on Fisheries held last month. 

You will be asked to consider measures to strengthen the position of 
periodicals published in Canada. 

A measure to provide for the redistribution of electoral districts will be 
placed before you. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 18th FEBRUARY 5 

My Government intends to institute an inquiry to advise on the best 
practicable way to set enforceable limits to expenditures in election campaigns. 

A measure to establish an age of retirement from the Senate will be 
placed before you. 

You will be asked to consider amendments to the Citizenship Act which 
will ensure full equality of rights for all Canadian citizens wherever they 
were born. 

You will be asked to consider measures to facilitate the reorganization 
of government in the interests of more effective and more efficient administra- 
tion. In particular, a measure will be proposed to establish the Treasury Board 
under the presidency of a separate minister, who will devote his full attention 
to the increasingly urgent problems of the management of the public service 
and government expenditures. The President of the Treasury Board will 
be responsible for implementing other recommendations of the Royal Com- 
mission on Government Organization. 

You will be asked to consider other legislative proposals. 

Members of the House of Commons 

You will be asked to appropriate the funds required for the services 
and payments authorized by Parliament. 

You will be asked to agree to the re-establishment of committees on 
defence and on the procedures and organization of Parliament, and to establish 
other special committees. 

Honourable Members of the Senate, 

Members of the House of Commons, 

May Divine Providence guide you in your deliberations. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), it was 
ordered, — That the Speech of His Excellency, delivered this day from the 
Throne to both Houses of Parliament, be taken into consideration at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, 
as follows: 

GEORGES P. VANIER: 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons a certified 
copy of an Order in Council appointing the Honourable Walter Lockhart 
Gordon, Minister of Finance, the Honourable George James Mcllraith, President 
of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, the Honourable Judy LaMarsh, 
Minister of National Health and Welfare, and the Honourable Guy Favreau, 
Minister of Justice and Attorney General, to act with the Speaker of the 
House of Commons as commissioners for the purposes and under the provi- 
sions of the one hundred and forty-third chapter of the Revised Statutes of 
Canada, 1952, intituled: An Act respecting the House of Commons. 

Government House, 
Ottawa, February 14, 1964. 

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6 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), a 
Special Committee was appointed to prepare and report, with all convenient 
speed, lists of Members to compose the Standing Committees of this House; 
the said Committee to be composed of Messrs. Churchill, Favreau, Gregoire, 
Knowles, Leboe, Walker, and Winkler, and the provisions of Standing Order 
65(1) suspended in relation to the number of members thereon. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), Herman 
Maxwell Batten, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Humber-St. 
George's, was appointed Deputy Chairman of Committees of the Whole House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Proceedings of the Commissioners of 
Internal Economy of the House of Commons, for the period May 16, 1963, to 
February 17, 1964, pursuant to Standing Order 81. (English and French). 

By Mr. Speaker, — Report of the Parliamentary Librarian, pursuant to 
section 2 of the Regulations respecting the Library of Parliament (English 
and French), which is as follows: 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

The Parliamentary Librarian has the honour to submit his report for the 
last nine months. The last report was presented to both Houses on May 15, 
1963. 

The Joint Committee met once during the last session, on July 31st, to 
review Library matters. 

The publication of the "Selected Additions List" was continued for the 
benefit of Senators and Members. 

From May 1st, 1963 to January 31, 1964, our staff answered 3,583 reference 
questions and circulated 20,349 books and periodicals. During the same period, 
9,904 volumes were catalogued and classified, which brings to 202,328 the 
number of volumes recatalogued since the fire of 1952. 

The Parliamentary Librarian and the Associate Parliamentary Librarian 
spent two days in Washington studying the operation of the Legislative Ref- 
erence Service of the Library of Congress. They were cordially received by 
their American colleagues who gave valuable information on the kind of assist- 
ance their Service provides to Congressmen. The Parliamentary Librarian 
usefully visited the Legislative Libraries in Edmonton and Winnipeg. 

On January 16, Miss Simone Chiasson, Head Librarian of the Department 
of Trade and Commerce, was appointed Chief Reference Librarian in replace- 
ment of Mr. T. E. Monette, who continues to serve the Library as Senior 
Library Consultant. Two other appointees to our Reference Department are 
Mrs. Zora Zink and Mr. Rene Rozon. 

We have lent one of our reference librarians, Miss Olive Gouthreau, to the 
Economic Council of Canada, for a period of four months, to assist in the estab- 
lishment of its own library. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 18th FEBRUARY 7 

The Cataloguing Department was reorganized under the authority of Miss 
Florence Moore, assisted by Mrs. Monique Gould. Mr. Gerard Mercure re- 
placed Miss Jean Durrell who left for Montreal. 

We have established a Vertical File and a Clipping Service which have 
already proved most useful: our Xerox Photocopier will enable us to provide 
copies of clippings, articles or pages from books. 

The Honourable A. W. Roebuck, Q.C., has presented copies of his The 
Roebuck Story and the Honourable F. W. Gershaw has provided copies of 
his Highlights of Medicine Hat and District, and The Blackfeet Confederacy. 
The late Honourable John G. Higgins presented an early map of the Province 
of Canada. Amongst other gifts we should especially like to mention a leather 
bound set of Timber in Canada, vol. 1-13, 1940-1953, presented by the Cana- 
dian Lumbermen's Association and the seven volume Transactions of the Cana- 
dian Sectional Meeting of the World Power Conference, Montreal, 1958 
presented by the World Power Conference — Canadian National Committee. 

The one unique addition is a three volume work, Poetry in Canada's Parlia- 
ment 1865-1960, the manuscript of Mr. Bernard Figler, LL.L., M.S.W., of Mont- 
real; it may be examined in the Library. 

Increasing pressure on the House of Commons Reading Room has led to 
a continuing survey of how to improve its service and integrate it more closely 
with the Library. 

During the recess we completed a survey on the need for professional 
librarians in Canada, 1962-1987. This was undertaken at the request of the 
Canadian Library Association as a modest centennial project and the report 
was published by the C.L.A. 

Finally, language classes in French and English have been made available 
for interested members of the staff. 



Respectfully submitted, 



ERIK J. SPICER, 
Parliamentary Librarian. 



Library of Parliament, 
Ottawa, February 18, 1964. 



By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — General Order 
of the Judges of the Supreme Court of Canada, dated December 12, 1963, 
amending the Rules of the Supreme Court of Canada, pursuant to section 
103(4) of the Supreme Court Act, chapter 259, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of a 
Loan made out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund to the St. Lawrence Seaway 
Authority, pursuant to section 26(4) of the St. Lawrence Seaway Authority 
Act, chapter 242, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, — Statement, prepared in the form of Schedule Q to the 
Bank Act, showing Composite Current Operating Earnings and Expenses of the 
Chartered Banks of Canada for the financial years ended in 1963, pursuant to 
section 119(1) of the said Act, chapter 48, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

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8 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement con- 
cerning Refunds under The Refunds (Natural Resources) Act for the period 
May 17, 1963, to February 18, 1964, pursuant to section 3 of the said Act, chap- 
ter 35, Statutes of Canada, 1932. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, — Report of the Operations under the International River 
Improvements Act for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 
11 of the said Act, chapter 47, Statutes of Canada, 1955. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, — Estimates of Expenditures and Capital Budget (Revised) 
of the Northern Canada Power Commission for the year ending March 31, 1964, 
pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-43, dated 
January 14, 1964, approving same. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in 
Council P.C. 1964-99, dated January 23, 1964, establishing a new Tariff of 
Fees for Election Officers and Other Persons engaged in the Conduct of an 
Election of Members to serve in the Council of the Northwest Territories or 
Yukon Territory, and revoking the Yukon and Northwest Territories Councils 
Election Fees Tariff made by Order in Council P.C. 1961-435, dated March 23, 
1961, pursuant to section 60(2) of the Canada Elections Act, chapter 39, Sta- 
tutes of Canada, 1960. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, 
of Wednesday, December 11 and 25, 1963, and January 8 and 22, and Febru- 
ary 12, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 235, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, — Consolidated Index and Table of Statutory Orders and 
Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, for the period January 
1, 1955, to December 31, 1963. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Opera- 
tions under the Export and Import Permits Act for the year ended December 
31, 1963, pursuant to section 26 of the said Act, chapter 27, Statutes of Canada, 
1953-54. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Capital Budget of the Export Credits Insurance Corpora- 
tion for the year ending December 31, 1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy 
of Order in Council P.C. 1964-146, dated January 30, 1964, approving same. 

By Mr. Sharp, — Order in Council P.C. 1963-1875, dated December 20, 1963, 
authorizing, under section 21 of the Export Credits Insurance Act, a contract of 
insurance by the Export Credits Insurance Corporation for shipment of 3.7 
million pounds of unmanufactured Ontario flue-cured tobacco to Bulgaria, pur- 
suant to section 21b of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 
1960-61. 

By Mr. Teillet, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Reports of the Department of Veterans 
Affairs and of the Canadian Pension Commission for the year ended March 31, 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 18th FEBRUARY 9 

1963, pursuant to section 9 of the Department of Veterans Affairs Act, chapter 
80, and section 4(2) of the Pension Act, chapter 207, R.S.C., 1952, including 
the Report of the War Veterans Allowance Board for the same period. 
(French). 



At 4.14 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin 
(Essex East), the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pur- 
suant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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No. 2 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 19th FEBRUARY, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Statement, dated February 19, 1964, together with a letter dated Feb- 
ruary 18, 1964, addressed to the Minister of Trade and Commerce by the Con- 
sumers Association of Canada regarding the government's policy on sugar sup- 
plies from overseas producers. 



The Order for the consideration of the Speech from the Throne delivered 
by His Excellency the Governor General of Canada to both Houses of Parlia- 
ment being read; 

Mr. Cote (Longueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, moved, — That the follow- 
ing Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was, on motion of Mr. Dief en- 
baker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, adjourned. 



12 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of December 1963. 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report, dated 
December 16, 1963, of the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, under the 
Combines Investigation Act, concerning an Alleged Combine in the Matter 
of a Call for Tenders by the Town of Duvernay for the Construction of Sewers 
and Water Mains. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Public Accounts of Canada, Volumes 
I to III, and an Abridged Version thereof, for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 64(1) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report of the Auditor General to the House of Commons 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 70(2) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, — Lists of shareholders in the Chartered Banks of Canada, 
as at the end of the financial years ended in 1963, pursuant to section 119(1) of 
the Bank Act, chapter 48, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Lists of shareholders in the Banks incorporated under the 
Quebec Savings Banks Act, as at the end of the financial years ended in 1963, 
pursuant to section 93(1) of the said Act, chapter 41, Statutes of Canada, 1953- 
54. (French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — A Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return 
to an Address, dated June 26, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged 
between the federal government or any agency or branch thereof and any other 
government, person or organization since April 22, 1963, relating to the Trans- 
Canada Highway agreement and the proposal by the federal government to 
share on a 90-10 basis with the provinces the construction of such highways in 
the Atlantic Provinces. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
39). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 2, 
1963, for a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, reports, briefs and mem- 
oranda, and any replies thereto, received by the Minister of National Defence, 
the Minister of Transport, or any Minister of the government or any govern- 
ment official, from the Cities of Edmonton, Calgary and Red Deer, any civic 
organizations therefrom or any other interested parties, since January 1st, 1963 
to date, relative to the projected use of R.C.A.F. Station Penhold, Alberta, for 
a jet training base of the Department of National Defence. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 81). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated October 9, 1963. to 
His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all telegrams, correspond- 
ence, reports, briefs and memoranda, and any replies thereto between the fed- 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 19th FEBRUARY 13 

eral government and any of its departments and the Province of Alberta con- 
cerning projects under A.R.D.A. since April 8, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 90). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated October 16, 1963, to 
His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all telegrams, correspond- 
ence, reports, briefs and memoranda, and any subsequent replies thereto be- 
tween the federal government and any of its departments and the Province of 
Saskatchewan concerning A.R.D.A. since April 22, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 96). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated November 6, 1963, to 
His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence between 
the Government of Canada and the Government of the Province of Manitoba 
since April 8, 1963, dealing with the proposed move of T.C.A. repair facilities 
from Winnipeg to Montreal. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 129). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 
6, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents 
exchanged between the government or any agency or branch thereof and any 
or all members of the Advisory Committee to the North Pacific Fisheries Com- 
mission since July 1, 1963. — [Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 148). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House dated November 
13, 1963, for a return of the complete results of the general election in Canada 
on April 8, 1963, showing, for each constituency by provinces, the total votes 
cast for each candidate. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 154). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
4, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence between the Prime Minister and the 
Royal Canadian Legion on the subject of a Canadian flag since April 22, 1963. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 176). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Supplementary Return to an Order of the House, 
dated December 11, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence between the Canadian 
Association of Physicists and the Government of Canada, its departments and 
commissions regarding the building of equipment usually referred to as particle 
accelerators or atom smashers. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 178). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and documents exchanged 
between the Minister of Industry or any of the Officers of his Department and 
the President or any of the Officers or employees of the British Aircraft Cor- 
poration concerning the total or partial construction of BAC- Ill's in Canada. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 181). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all letters, documents and telegrams exchanged between 
the Minister of Industry or any of the Officers or employees of his Department 



14 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

and the Canadair Company concerning the construction of a new medium- 
range aircraft for Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 186). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and documents exchanged 
between the Minister of Industry or any of the Officers of his Department and 
the President or any of the Officers or employees of the Compagnie Sud-Avia- 
tion of France concerning the total or partial production of Caravelles in 
Canada. — [Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 188). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and documents exchanged 
between the Minister of Industry or any of the Officers of his Department and 
the President or any of the Officers or employees of the Douglas Aircraft Com- 
pany of the United States concerning the total or partial construction of DC9's 
in Canada. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 189). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or documents exchanged 
between the Postmaster General or any of the Officers of his Department and 
any other person concerning the transfer of the mail contract for Rural Route 
No. 3, Norwood, Ontario, during the year 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 197). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or documents exchanged 
between the Postmaster General or any of the Officers of his Department and 
any other person concerning the transfer of the Post Office at Birdsall, Ontario, 
in the year 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 198). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence received by the Minister, or any of 
the officials of the Department of Finance, from the Maritime Lumber Bureau 
of Amherst, N.S., as well as copies of the replies forwarded by the Minister, or 
his officials, to the Maritime Lumber Bureau since September 1, 1963. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 201). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, for a copy of all correspondence received by the Minister, or any 
of the officials of the Department of Forestry, from the Maritime Lumber 
Bureau of Amherst, N.S., as well as copies of the replies forwarded by the 
Minister, or his officials, to the Maritime Lumber Bureau since September 
1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 202). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 15, 1963, 
(Question No. 591) showing: 1. Has any minister of the Crown been presented 
with the report of the Committee on Manitoba's economic future and, if so, 
which ministers, and what form of communication accompanied the report? 

2. Has an analysis been made of the recommendations in the report that 
bear upon matters falling within the federal jurisdiction (e.g. Indian problems, 
Churchill Harbour) and, if so, has this analysis been forwarded to any cabinet 
or departmental committee for action or recommendations? 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 19th FEBRUARY 15 

3. Has any response been sent to the provincial government regarding this 
report, or to the committee itself? 

4. Have any ministers of the Crown and/or any deputy ministers, met with 
the chairman and the executive board of the Committee to discuss the report 
and any assistance the federal government may give to achieve the recommen- 
dations of the Committee? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
21, 1963, (Question No. 1,715) showing: 1. Do government departments, com- 
missions, boards, etc., fill transient and casual jobs through the National Em- 
ployment Service? 

2. How do departments, boards, commissions, etc., which do not use the 
facilities of the National Employment Service, recruit personnel required? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, (Question No. 1,748) showing: 1. How many former Members receive 
an allowance under the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act? 

2. What is the name of each of these Members? 

3. For how many years was each a Member? 

4. What amount does each receive under the Members of Parliament Re- 
tiring Allowances Act? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, (Question No. 1,857) showing: 1. In connection with the mail route 
from Woodstock, N.B., to Edmundston, N.B. (a) what date were tenders last 
called (b) who submitted tenders and at what prices (c) who was successful 
and at what contract price? 

2. In connection with the mail route from McAdam, N.B. to Woodstock, 
N.B. (a) what date were tenders last called (b) who submitted tenders and 
at what prices (c) who was successful and at what contract price? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated October 
23, 1963, for a copy of any correspondence exchanged between the Minister of 
Public Works or officials of his Department and the members of "La Cor- 
poration Inter-Urbaine de l'lle Jesus" regarding the dredging of the Riviere des 
Mille lies and the Riviere des Prairies. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 104). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, (Question No. 1,164) showing: 1. What has been the cost to the fed- 
eral treasury of all travelling allowances and transportation expenses for each 
Minister travelling outside of Canada between 22nd April 1963 and 29th Sep- 
tember 1963? 

2. What has been the cost to the federal treasury of all travelling allow- 
ances and transportation expenses for ministerial staff who accompanied their 
respective Ministers outside Canada between April 22 and September 29, 1963? 

3. What was the purpose of each trip? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 18, 
1963, (Question No. 1,788) showing: 1. How many government buildings in 
Ottawa-Hull are considered temporary at the present time? 

2. What is the approximate value of each of these buildings? 

3. When is it expected that the construction of new buildings will be 
undertaken? 



16 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report of the Department of External Affairs for the year ended December 31, 
1963, pursuant to section 6 of the Department of External Affairs Act, chapter 
68, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 4.41 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin 
(Essex East), the House adjourned until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 20th FEBRUARY 17 

No. 3 

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OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 20th FEBRUARY, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Changes in Appointment of Parliamentary Secretaries to Ministers of 
the Crown. (English and French). 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: As honourable Members will have noticed, there are on 
today's Order Paper some 68 Bills listed for introduction by Private Members. 

It would be difficult, if not impossible, for the Chair to review the provi- 
sions of these Bills at this time. In view of that fact, may I suggest to the House 
that we adopt the same procedure which was agreed upon by the House at the 
commencement of last session; namely, that we proceed to the introduction and 
first reading of these Bills, with the understanding that each will be scrutinized 
between now and the time appointed for its second reading, when, if any 
defect be found therein so far as the practices and usages of the House are con- 
cerned, it will be brought to honourable Members' attention. 

Secondly, that in order to save time, taking into consideration that per- 
haps more than two hours would be required to introduce each of these meas- 
ures separately, by unanimous consent, all the Bills listed for introduction on 
today's Order Paper be deemed to have been introduced, given first reading, 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House, subject of 
course to my prior remarks as to the examination and regularity of each Bill. 



Accordingly, by unanimous consent, the following bills were deemed, by 
leave of the House, to have been introduced, read the first time, and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 



18 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Bill C-2, An Act respecting the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act. — Mr. Chre- 
tien. 

Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Bankruptcy Act (Wage Earners' Assign- 
ments). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-4, An Act to amend the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Develop- 
ment Act (Indian Reserves). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-5, An Act to provide in Canada for the Dissolution and the Annul- 
ment of Marriage. — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-6, An Act to amend the Indian Act (Liquor Rights). — Mr. Barnett. 

Bill C-7, An Act to establish the Office of Parliamentary Commissioner. — 
Mr. Thompson. 

Bill C-8, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Disclosure of CBC 
service extension programme, cost, and estimates for 5 years). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-9, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Collective Bargaining 
and Arbitration). — Mr. Prittie. 

Bill C-10, An Act to enable Civil Servants to Engage in Political Activity. 
— Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-ll, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (A Purge for the King's- 
evil). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-12, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Capital Punishment). — 
Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-13, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act (Advertising). — Mr. Or- 
likow. 

Bill C-14, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Insanity). — Mr. Brewin. 

Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Annual Vacations Act (Two Weeks after 
one year). — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-16, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act. — Mr. Chretien. 

Bill C-17, An Act to provide for the Restitution and Distribution of the 
proceeds of Grade Excess and Overage unlawfully confiscated and converted 
in 1955 and continuously thereafter under an Act intituled An Act to amend 
the Canada Grain Act to the use and purposes of the Governor in Council. 
— Mr. Rapp. 

Bill C-18, An Act to amend the Immigration Act (Disclosure of reasons 
for deportation). — Mr. Brewin. 

Bill C-19, An Act with respect to Hospital and University Sweepstakes. — 
Mr. Pigeon. 

Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act. — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-21, An Act respecting Genocide. — Mr. Klein. 

Bill C-22, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Provincial Lotteries). — 
Mr. Valade. 

Bill C-23, An Act to provide for the Control of Consumer Credit. — Mr. 
Scott. 

Bill C-24, An Act to amend the Bank of Canada Act (Reserve). — Mr. 
Cote (Chicoutimi) . 

Bill C-25, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Political Programs). — 
Mr. Harley. 

Bill C-26, An Act to amend the Bank of Canada Act (Form and Material 
of Notes). — Mr. Cote (Chicoutimi). 

Bill C-2 7, An Act to amend the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act (Twelve 
Mile Fishing Zone). — Mr. Mather. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 20th FEBRUARY 19 

Bill C-28, An Act to amend the Canada Fair Employment Practices Act 
(Age Discrimination). — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-29, An Act to amend the Transport Act and the Railway Act (B.C. 
Water Carriers). — Mr. Barnett. 

Bill C-30, An Act to provide for Pay for Statutory Holidays and for Pay 
for Work Performed on Statutory Holidays for Employees in Federal Works, 
Undertakings and Businesses. — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-31, An Act respecting Sir John A. Macdonald Day. — Mr. Macquar- 
rie. 

Bill C-32, An Act to restrain the use of Tobacco. — Mr. Mather. 

Bill C-33, An Act to amend the Combines Investigation Act (Floor Penal- 
ties, Criminal Joint Tortfeasors, and Moieties). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-34, x\n Act respecting employment of Bilingual Persons in the Public 
Service and in Crown Corporations. — Mr. Pigeon. 

Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Habeas Corpus). — Mr. 
Matheson. 

Bill C-36, An Act to provide for Minimum Wages for Employees in Federal 
Works, Undertakings and Businesses. — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-37, An Act to amend the War Veterans Allowance Act, 1952. — 
Mr. Mcintosh. 

Bill C-38, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Limiting Election 
Expenses). — Mr. Brewin. 

Bill C-39, An Act to amend the Civil Service Act (Bureaucratic Oppres- 
sion). — Mr. Mcintosh. 

Bill C-40, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Community Antenna). 
— Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-41, An Act respecting a National Flag and a National Anthem of 
Canada. — Mr. Pigeon. 

Bill C-42, An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act (Age of Voters). — 
Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Post Office Act (Hate Literature). — Mr. 
Orlikow. 

Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Bills of Exchange Act and the Interest 
Act (Off-store Instalment Sales). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-45, An Act to amend the Unemployment Insurance Act (Agricul- 
tural Employees' Coverage). — Mr. Rapp. 

Bill C-46, An Act to limit the Hours of Work for Employees in Federal 
Works, Undertakings, and Businesses. — Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-47, An Act to amend the Weights and Measures Act (Truth in 
Packaging). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-48, An Act to amend the Criminal Code. — Mr. Prittie. 

Bill C-49, An Act to amend the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, 
with respect to the Quorum of the House of Commons. — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-50, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Company-censored Hous- 
ing). — Mr. Orlikow. 

Bill C-51, An Act to amend the Bills of Exchange Act (Instalment Pur- 
chases). — Mr. Peters. 

Bill C-52, An Act to amend the Interest Act. — Mr. Orlikow. 



20 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Bill C-53, An Act to amend the Interest Act (Application of Small Loans 
Act). — Mr. Martin (Timmins). 

Bill C-54, An Act to amend the Annual Vacations Act (Three Weeks after 
Five Years). — Mr. Knowles. 

Bill C-55, An Act to amend the Railway Act. — Mr. Prittie. 

Bill C-56, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (The Judas-Tree amend- 
ment). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-57, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Abandonment Moratorium). 
— Mr. Southam. 

Bill C-58, An Act to amend the Radio Act (Community Antenna). — Mr. 
Fisher. 

Bill C-59, An Act to provide for Free Transportation on the Railways of 
Canada for Senior Citizens. — Mr. Scott. 

Bill C-60, An Act to amend the Combines Investigation Act (Captive 
Sales Financing). — Mr. Noble. 

Bill C-61, An Act to amend the Immigration Act. — Mr. Hahn. 

Bill C-62, An Act to amend the House of Commons Act (Speaker on Dis- 
solution). — Mr. Whelan. 

Bill C-63, An Act to provide for Control of the Use of Collateral Bills and 
Notes in Consumer Credit Transactions. — Mr. Ryan. 

Bill C-64, An Act to provide for a Canadian National Anthem. — Mr. Ryan. 

Bill C-65, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Raffles and Bingo for 
Charitable Purposes). — Mr. Gray. 

Bill C-66, An Act to amend the Representation Act. — Mr. Gregoire. 

Bill C-67, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Responsibility for Disloca- 
tion Costs). — Mr. Fisher. 

Bill C-68, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Nuisance). — Mr. Her- 
ridge. 

Bill C-69, An Act to amend the Immigration Act (Racial Discrimination). 
Mr. Brewin. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the payment 
of certain provincial taxes and fees by Crown Corporations on or after the 
1st day of April, 1964. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Judges Act and 
the Exchequer Court Act to authorize the appointment of, and the provision of 
salary for, one additional judge of the Exchequer Court of Canada. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 20th FEBRUARY 21 

The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That the Treaty between Canada and the United States of America relating 
to cooperative development of the water resources of the Columbia River Basin, 
signed at Washington on January 17th, 1961, together with the Protocol con- 
taining modifications and clarifications to the Treaty annexed to an Exchange 
of Notes between the Governments of Canada and the United States signed on 
January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 
— The Secretary of State for External Affairs. 



The House resumed the adjourned debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Cote (Longueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be 
presented to His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, moved in amendment 
thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the repeal of the 11% sales tax imposed as a result of action by the 
present government in 1963, on certain building materials and certain machin- 
ery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production which is, and will 
continue to be, detrimental to various segments of the Canadian economy." 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Herridge, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That the following words be added to the amendment, 
immediately at the end thereof: 

"This House also regrets that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
make provision for federal participation, in co-operation with the provinces, 
in a government-sponsored and government-operated medicare program for all 
Canadians." 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budget of 
the Polymer Corporation Limited for the year ending December 31, 1964, pur- 



22 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

suant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C. 
1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-255, dated February 
13, 1964, approving same. 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Commissioner of Peni- 
tentiaries for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 30 of the Peni- 
tentiary Act, chapter 53, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Operations of the Municipal Improvements Assistance Act for the year ended 
December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 11 of the said Act, chapter 183, R.S.C, 
1952. (English and French). 



At 10.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 21st FEBRUARY, 1964. 

11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Longueuil) , 
seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Chur- 
chill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the repeal of the 11% sales tax imposed as a result of action by the 
present government in 1963, on certain building materials and certain machin- 
ery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production which is, and will 
continue to be, detrimental to various segments of the Canadian economy." 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Herridge, 
in amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That the following words be 
added to the amendment, immediately at the end thereof: 

"This House also regrets that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
make provision for federal participation, in co-operation with the provinces, 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



in a government-sponsored and government-operated medicare program for all 
Canadians." 

And debate continuing; at 5.45 p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the proceed- 
ings pursuant to Standing Order 38(3); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Enns, 


Macquarrie, 


Pascoe, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fairweather, 


MacRae, 


Peters, 


Baldwin, 


Fane, 


McBain, 


Pigeon, 


Barnett, 


Fisher, 


Mcintosh, 


Prittie, 


Bell, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


■ Madill, 


Pugh, 


Bigg, 


Revelstoke), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Rapp, 


Brewin, 


Grafftey, 


Martineau, 


Rheaume, 


Cadieu, 


Gundlock, 


Mather, 


Ricard, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


• Hamilton, 


Millar, 


Scott, 


Cowichan-The 


Herridge, 


Moore, 


Southam, 


Islands), 


Horner (Acadia), 


More, 


Starr, 


Cantelon, 


Horner 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Stefanson, 


Cardiff, 


(The Battlefords), 


North and 


Stenson, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Howe (Hamilton 


Victoria), 


Valade, 


Churchill, 


South), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Vincent, 


Clancy, 


Kennedy, 


Nasserden, 


Watson 


Coates, 


Knowles, 


Nesbitt, 


(Assiniboia), 


Cooper, 


Korchinski, 


Nielsen, 


Webb, 


Crouse, 


Lamb, 


Noble, 


Webster, 


Danforth, 


Lambert, 


Nowlan, 


Weichel, 


Diefenbaker, 


Loney, 


Nugent, 


Willoughby, 


Dinsdale, 


MacEwan, 


Orlikow, 


Winch, 


Doucett, 


Maclnnis, 


Ormiston, 


Winkler, 


Douglas, 


MacLean (Queens), 




Woolliams — 87. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cameron 


Emard, 


Hellyer, 


Armstrong, 


(High Park), 


Ethier, 


Honey, 


Asselin 


Cantin, 


Favreau, 


Howard, 


(Notre-Darne- 


Caouette, 


Forest, 


Jewett (Miss), 


de-Grace), 


Cardin, 


Foy, 


Kelly, 


Asselin 


Caron, 


Francis, 


Klein, 


(Richmond-Wolfe) 


, Carter, 


Gauthier, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Badanai, 


Cashin, 


Gelber, 


Lachance, 


Basford, 


Choquette, 


Gendron, 


Laing, 


Batten, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Godin, 


LaMarsh (Miss) 


Beaule, 


Cowan, 


Gordon, 


Lamontagne, 


Bechard, 


Crossman, 


Granger, 


Lamoureux, 


Beer, 


Cyr, 


Gray, 


Langlois, 


Benidickson, 


Davis, 


Greene, 


Laniel, 


Benson, 


Deachman, 


Gregoire, 


Laprise, 


Berger, 


Deschatelets, 


Groos, 


Latulippe, 


Blouin, 


Dionne, 


Guay, 


Laverdiere, 


Boulanger, 


Drouin, 


Habel, 


Leblanc, 


Boutin, 


Drury, 


Hahn, 


Leboe, 


Byrne, 


Dube, 


Haidasz, 


Leduc, 


Cadieux, 


Dupuis, 


Harley, 





A.D. 1964 


FRIDAY 


, 21st FEBRUARY 




Lessard (Saint- 


Morison, 


Plourde, 


Stewart, 


Henri), 


Mullally, 


Prud'homme, 


Tardif, 


Lloyd, 


Nicholson, 


Regan, 


Teillet, 


Loiselle, 


Nixon, 


Richard, 


Temple, 


Macaluso, 


O'Keefe, 


Rideout, 


Tremblay, 


Macdonald, 


Olson, 


Rinfret, 


Tucker, 


MacEachen, 


Otto, 


Robichaud, 


Turner, 


Mcllraith, 


Ouellet, 


Rochon, 


Wahn, 


McMillan, 


Patterson, 


Rock, 


Walker, 


McNulty, 


Pearson, 


Rondeau, 


Watson, 


McWilliam, 


Pennell, 


Rouleau, 


Chateauguay- 


Marcoux, 


Pepin, 


Roxburgh, 


(Huntingdon- 


Martin (Essex East), 


Perron, 


Ryan, 


Laprairie), 


Matte, 


Pickersgill, 


Sauve, 


Whelan— 134. 


Moreau, 


Pilon, 


Sharp, 





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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated December 18, 1963, (Question No. 1,852) showing: 

1. Is there a Post Office Department directive to the effect that "unknown 
checks" or "spying" be done on letter carriers? 

2. Do petty and unintentional discrepancies sometimes result in salary 
reductions for letter carriers? 

3. Has the employee a right of appeal from such punishment? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Bud- 
get of The Seaway International Bridge Corporation, Ltd., for the calendar year 
ending December 31, 1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Adminis- 
tration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council 
P.C. 1964-101, dated January 23, 1964, approving same. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Capital Budget of The St. Lawrence Seaway Authority 
for the period January 1 to December 31, 1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with Order in 
Council P.C. 1963-1840, dated December 12, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Capital Budget of the National Harbours Board for 
the calendar year 1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administra- 
tion Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with Order in Council P.C. 1963- 
1895, dated December 21, 1963, approving same. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Order in Council P.C. 1963-1828, dated December 12, 
1963, withdrawing from entrustment to Canadian National Railway Company 
and authorizing the grant of Letters Patent to William Aubertin and Madame 
Donalda Gariepy-Benoit quit- claiming all the right, title and interest of Her 
Majesty in right of Canada of two parcels of Canadian Government Railways 
land in the Township of Grantham, Registration Division of Drummond, Prov- 
ince of Quebec, pursuant to section 19 of the Canadian National Railways Act, 
chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of exemptions authorized by the Minister of 
Transport under section 137 of the Canada Shipping Act in cases where no 



26 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

master or officer was available with required certificate and experience, for 
the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 137(2) of the said Act, 
chapter 29, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Sauve, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Department of Forestry for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 
12 of the Department of Forestry Act, chapter 41, Statutes of Canada, 1960. 
(English and French). 



At 6.10 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 24th FEBRUARY, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Lon- 
gueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to 
His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Chur- 
chill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the repeal of the 11% sales tax imposed as a result of action by the 
present government in 1963, on certain building materials and certain machin- 
ery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production which is, and will 
continue to be, detrimental to various segments of the Canadian economy." 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Perron, proposed to move in amendment 
thereto, — That the following words be added to the amendment, immediately 
at the end thereof: 



28 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

"This House also regrets that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
state that the year 1964 should be the year of and for the Canadian families 
through the increase of family allowances according to the factual cost of 
living." 

And a point of order having been raised thereon; 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: The question before the House at the present time is 
the amendment proposed by the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker), 
which reads as follows: 

"That the following be added to the Address, — but we respectfully regret 
that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to propose the repeal of the 11% 
sales tax imposed as a result of action by the present government in 1963, on 
certain building materials and certain machinery and apparatus to be used in 
manufacture or production which is, and will continue to be, detrimental to 
various segments of the Canadian economy." 

The question which must be decided, as has been pointed out by honour- 
able Members, is whether the subamendment is relevant to the amendment. 
The amendment regrets that the government has failed to propose the repeal of 
the 11% sales tax. On the other hand, the subamendment regrets that the 
government has failed to state that 1964 should be the year of and for Cana- 
dian families through the increase of family allowances. 

At first glance it appears to the Chair that the subamendment introduces 
a new question, one which is not relevant to the amendment before the House. 
All the authorities state that it is a fundamental rule of procedure that a sub- 
amendment must be relevant to the question it proposes to amend. The cita- 
tions referred to by the honourable Member for Edmonton West (Mr. Lambert) 
strongly support this position. Perhaps I should refer to a few other citations 
in this regard. I might refer honourable Members particularly to page 321 of 
Bourinot's 4th edition where it is stated: 

"It is an imperative rule that every amendment must be relevant to the 
question on which the amendment has been proposed, and this rule has been 
invariably insisted upon by Canadian Speakers." 

Citation 203 of Beauchesne's 4th edition reads, in part, as follows: 

"(1) It is an imperative rule that every amendment must be relevant to the 
question on which the amendment is proposed. Every amendment proposed to 
be made either to a question or to a proposed amendment should be so framed 
that if agreed to by the House the question or amendment as amended would 
be intelligible and consistent with itself. 

"The law on the relevancy of amendments is that if they are on the same 
subject matter with the original motion, they are admissible, but not when 
foreign thereto." 

The same authority, Beauchesne, in paragraph (3) of citation 202 goes on 
to say: 

"Since the purpose of a subamendment is to alter the amendment, it should 
not enlarge upon the scope of the amendment but it should deal with matters 
that are not covered by the amendment; if it is intended to bring up matters 
foreign to the amendment, the Member should wait until the amendment is dis- 
posed of and move a new amendment." 

This in some measure leads to the suggestion brought forward by the hon- 
ourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) that we might 
wait until the amendment is disposed of after the vote has been taken on 
Tuesday night. It seems to me this is the type of proposition which could be 
considered and which might very well be in order. 



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29 



Reference has been made by several honourable Members to the sub- 
amendment proposed on Thursday night by the honourable Member for Bur- 
naby-Coquitlam (Mr. Douglas) which was similar in nature to the one now 
proposed by the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire). The House 
will also recall that Mr. Speaker pointed out at the time that the rule of rele- 
vancy applies with regard to subamendments. Although he allowed the sub- 
amendment moved by the honourable Member for Burnaby-Coquitlam to 
stand, Mr. Speaker went on to say, as reported at page 79 of Friday's Hansard: 

''Last night, when no one rose to object I decided to accept the subamend- 
ment, even though I had doubts about its relevancy. In accepting this sub- 
amendment I endeavoured to suggest to the House that in future subamend- 
ments should be relevant in spite of considerable latitude given in the past." 

In other words, I suggest, Mr. Speaker cautioned the House with regard 
to the need for subsequently observing the acceptable and necessary rules of 
relevancy dealing with subamendments in this debate. Therefore, in view of 
the admonition expressed by Mr. Speaker on Thursday and Friday last and 
bearing in mind the explicit terms of the authorities quoted earlier in my 
comments, I am confronted with the obligation to inform the honourable Mem- 
ber for Lapointe that his proposed subamendment runs afoul of the rule of 
relevancy and as such it cannot be submitted to the House at this time. 



Whereupon the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire), appealed 
to the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Armstrong, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Groos, 


Laverdiere, 


Badanai, 


Crossman, 


Guay, 


Leblanc, 


Baldwin, 


Crouse, 


Gundlock, 


Leduc, 


Basford, 


Cyr, 


Habel, 


Lessard (Lac-St- 


Batten, 


Danforth, 


Haidasz, 


Jean), 


Bechard, 


Deachman, 


Hales, 


Lessard 


Bell, 


Diefenbaker, 


Hamilton, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Benidickson, 


Dinsdale, 


Harkness, 


Lloyd, 


Benson, 


Doucett, 


Harley, 


Loiselle, 


Berger, 


Drury, 


Hays, 


Loney, 


Bigg, 


Dube, 


Hellyer, 


Macaluso, 


Blouin, 


Dupuis, 


Honey, 


Macdonald, 


Byrne, 


Emard, 


Horner (Acadia) , 


MacEachen, 


Cadieu, 


Ethier, 


Horner (The 


MacEwan, 


Cadieux, 


Fane, 


Battlefords), 


Maclnnis, 


Cantelon, 


Favreau, 


Howe (Wellington- 


MacLean (Queens), 


Cantin, 


Flemming (Victoria 


l- Huron), 


MacNaught, 


Cardiff, 


Carleton) , 


Irvine, 


Macquarrie, 


Car din, 


Forbes, 


Jewett (Miss), 


MacRae, 


Carter, 


Forgie, 


Kennedy, 


McCutcheon, 


Cashin, 


Foy, 


Kindt, 


Mcllraith, 


Churchill, 


Francis, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Mcintosh, 


Clancy, 


Garland, 


Korchinski, 


McNulty, 


Coates, 


Girouard, 


Lamb, 


McWilliam, 


Cooper, 


Godin, 


Lambert, 


Madill, 


Cote ( Chicoutimi) , 


Gray, 


Lamontagne, 


Marcoux, 




Greene, 


Laniel, 


Martineau, 


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13 ELIZABETH II 



Matte, 


Ormiston, 


Rinfret, 


Temple, 


Millar, 


Ouellet, 


Robichaud, 


Thomas, 


Mitchell, 


Pascoe, 


Rochon, 


Tremblay, 


Moore, 


Patterson, 


Rock, 


Tucker, 


Moreau, 


Paul, 


Rouleau, 


Turner, 


Morison, 


Pepin, 


Roxburgh, 


Vincent, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Pickersgill, 


Ryan, 


Walker, 


Mullally, 


Pigeon, 


Sauve, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Munro, 


Pilon, 


Sharp, 


Watson 


Nasserden, 


Prud'homme, 


Southam, 


(Chateauguay- 


Nicholson, 


Pugh, 


Starr, 


Huntingdon- 


Nielsen, 


Rapp, 


Stefanson, 


Laprairie), 


Nixon, 


Rheaume, 


Stenson, 


Webb, 


Nowlan, 


Ricard, 


Stewart, 


Weichel, 


Nugent, 


Richard, 


Tardif, 


Whelan, 


O'Keefe, 


Rideout, 


Teillet, 


Willoughby, 


Olson, 




Nays 
Messrs: 


Winkler— 165. 


Barnett, 


Dionne, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Orlikow, 


Boutin, 


Douglas, 


South), 


Perron, 


Brewin, 


Gauthier, 


Knowles, 


Plourde, 


Cameron (Nanaimc 


•-Gregoire, 


Laprise, 


Prittie, 


Cowichan-The 


Herridge, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Webster, 


Islands), 


Howard, 


Mather, 


Winch— 21. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Longueuil), 
seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Chur- 
chill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the repeal of the 11% sales tax imposed as a result of action by the 
present government in 1963, on certain building materials and certain machin- 
ery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production which is, and will 
continue to be, detrimental to various segments of the Canadian economy." 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Perron, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, proposed to move in amendment 
thereto, — That the following words be added at the end of the amendment: 

"This House also regrets that the actual Government did not find appropri- 
ate to use the money raised through the tax of 11% for construction materials 
to increase the family allowances according to the raise in the cost of living 
due to the increases of taxation during the last twenty years." 

And a point of order having been raised concerning the validity thereof: 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 24th FEBRUARY 31 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — List of Apportion- 
ments and Adjustments of Seed Grain, Fodder for Animals and Other Relief 
Indebtedness, for the period from May 17, 1963, to February 18, 1964, pursuant 
to section 2 of An Act respecting Certain Debts due the Crown, chapter 51, 
Statutes of Canada, 1926-27. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return 
to an Order of the House, dated July 3, 1963, for a copy of all telegrams, 
correspondence and other documents and any replies thereto received by the 
Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance or any government officials protesting 
the new 11% sales tax on building material, machinery and equipment. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 38). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 3, 1963, 
for copies of all letters addressed to the Prime Minister and the Minister of 
Finance protesting the imposition of the 11% sales tax on building materials 
and machinery. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 42). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 3, 
1963, for a copy of all communications, memoranda, etc., dated since June 
13, 1963, received by the government or by any Minister thereof, with refer- 
ence to the proposed extensions of the 11% sales tax, and a copy of all replies 
made thereto by any such Minister. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 43). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1964-282, dated February 20, 1964, authorizing under section 21a of the 
Exports Credits Insurance Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits In- 
surance Corporation, for the purchase of capital equipment from Canadian 
suppliers and procurement services from Aluminum Company of Canada, Limi- 
ted, Montreal, Quebec, in an amount of up to $900,000 by the President of 
India, pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as 
amended 1960-61. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 25th FEBRUARY, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Olson, seconded by Mr. Patterson, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-70, An Act to amend the Canada Grain Act (Off-track Elevator Licens- 
ing), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of letters dated February 13 and February 20, 1964, exchanged 
between the federal Minister of Transport and the Minister of Roads of the 
Province of Quebec, with reference to the proposed construction of a bridge 
across the St. Lawrence River at Trois-Rivieres, Que. (English and French). 



The Order being read for resuming debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Cote (Longueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, for an Address in Reply to His 
Excellency's Speech at the opening of the Session, and on the proposed motion 
of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Churchill, in amendment thereto. 

Whereupon the House resumed consideration of the point of order concern- 
ing the validity of the subamendment proposed by Mr. Perron, seconded by 
Mr. Gauthier, at last night's sitting. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: The discussion last night centered around a new subamend- 
ment and I am now called upon to render a decision as to whether it 
is, in my opinion, in order. It seems to me that the situation before the House 



34 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

is the following. The Right Honourable the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Dief- 
enbaker) on February 20 moved the following amendment: 

That the following be added to the Address: "but we respectfully regret 
that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to propose the repeal of the 11% 
sales tax imposed as a result of action by the present government in 1963, on 
certain building materials and certain machinery and apparatus to be used in 
manufacture or production which is, and will continue to be, detrimental to 
various segments of the Canadian economy." 

Last evening the honourable Member for Beauce (Mr. Perron) moved an 
amendment to the amendment reading as follows. I think I should read this 
subamendment in view of the allegation that there is a difference between the 
English and French versions. I have read both and I do not see any difference 
It reads: 

"The House further regrets that this government did not think fit to use 
the money from the 11 per cent tax on building materials to increase family 
allowances following the rise in living costs caused by tax increases over the 
last 20 years." 

The question the Chair must decide is, if the subamendment were now 
agreed to, would it be intelligible and consistent with the amendment as a 
whole? The Deputy Chairman of Committees in his capacity as Acting Speaker 
last evening, as reported at page 187 of Hansard, said in part "We have an 
amendment respecting the repeal of the tax, and a subamendment concerning 
the use of the tax." 

He also stated, as reported at page 188 "On first reading, the subamend- 
ment does appear to be inconsistent with the amendment." 

I share the view of the Acting Speaker that the amendment and the sub- 
amendment as a whole would not be consistent, and in my view the subamend- 
ment is in contradiction with the amendment. Therefore I cannot accept the 
subamendment as being in order. 



There are two other small but important matters I should like to bring 
to the attention of the House. I would now like to deal with the alleged question 
of privilege, which in my view is really a point of order, raised by the honour- 
able Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire), when he made a distinction between 
two systems of law; that is, the Common Law, where he says rulings, jurispru- 
dence and precedents are referred to, and the Civil Law, where regulations are 
codified. He seems to be under the impression that for these reasons we in the 
House of Commons should make use of the two systems. Surely such a distinc- 
tion cannot apply in Parliament, for the very reason that Parliamentary Law is 
something quite different from the ordinary Civil Law or Common Law as rec- 
ognized and practised in the different provinces. 

Parliamentary Law as applied in Ottawa, and for that matter also in the 
capitals of the different provinces, is based on centuries of tradition and prece- 
dents which have marked the evolution of parliamentary freedoms from the 
time that the first parliaments were governed under the rule of the Divine 
Right of Kings to the stage of parliamentary sovereignty which we have now 
acquired. This system of Parliamentary Law is therefore based on the usages 
and customs of the United Kingdom House of Commons, so much so that our 
first Standing Order reads as follows: 

"1. In all cases not provided for hereafter or by sessional or other orders, 
the usages and customs of the House of Commons of the United Kingdom of 
Great Britain and Northern Ireland as in force at the time shall be followed so 
far as they may be applicable to this House." 



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The question is asked, what is Beauchesne made of? And the answer is 
that it is made of our Standing Orders, made applicable for nearly 100 years 
to the House of Commons and previously to the Parliament of United Canada 
and of the Maritime Provinces, and of citations made up mostly of the decisions 
of previous Speakers, either here or in the British Parliament. In this connec- 
tion, when both myself and the Acting Speaker referred to Beauchesne's Fourth 
Edition, citation 203, that is not Beauchesne's quotation; it is a direct quotation 
extracted from Sir Erskine May's Parliamentary Practice, Thirteenth Edition, 
page 285. 

We can, of course, refer to the decisions reported in Geoffrion or in any 
other provincial commentator, but surely the decisions based on our own rules 
and our own precedents should prevail unless we want to balkanize our own 
procedure, which is already complicated enough as it is. Since the honourable 
Member for Lapointe has referred to the procedure followed in the Province 
of Quebec, it might be of some interest to him if I referred in the present 
case to the Reglement Annote de i'Assemblee Legislative of Mr. Louis-Philippe 
Geoffrion and quote Article 173 which is as follows: 

"Every amendment shall be worded so that the motion to which it is pro- 
posed do not take a negative form and remain intelligible, if adopted." 

The honourable Member will notice that in the present case the rule fol- 
lowed in the Province of Quebec is the same one which we follow ourselves and 
which I have quoted previously so that the situation is the same in the United 
Kingdom, in Canada, and in the Province of Quebec. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Lon- 
geuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to 
His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Chur- 
chill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the repeal of the 11% sales tax imposed as a result of action by the 
present government in 1963, on certain building materials and certain machin- 
ery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production which is, and will 
continue to be, detrimental to various segments of the Canadian economy." 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Rondeau, seconded by Mr. Langlois, proposed to move in amendment 
to the said proposed amendment, — That the words after "11% sales tax" be 
deleted and the following substituted therefor: 

"in order to replace it by an adjustment of family allowances based on 
the cost of living index." 



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RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker ruled the said subamendment out of order on the 
grounds that it was not relevant to the subject-matter of the main amendment 
and also that it was in effect a contradiction of the principle that a subamend- 
ment should be so framed that, if it were agreed to by the House, the amend- 
ment as amended would be intelligible and consistent with itself. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Shefford (Mr. Rondeau) appealed 
to the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by Mr. Deputy Speaker: "Shall the decision 
of the Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following 
division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cowan, 


Harkness, 


MacNaught. 


Aiken, 


Crossman, 


Karley, 


Macquarrie, 


Alkenbrack, 


Crouse, 


Hays, 


MacRae, 


Armstrong, 


Cyr, 


Hellyer, 


McBain, 


Asselin, 


Danforth, 


Herridge, 


McCutcheon, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Davis, 


Honey, 


Mcllraith, 


de Grace), 


Deachman, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Mcintosh, 


Asselin 


Deschatelets, 


Horner 


McLean (Charlotte), 


(Richmond-Wolfe), 


, Doucett, 


(The Battlefords) 


, McWiiliam, 


Badanai, 


Drouin, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Madill, 


Baldwin, 


Drury, 


South), 


Mandziuk, 


Barnett, 


Dube, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Marcoux, 


Basford, 


Dupuis, 


Huron) , 


Martin (Timmins), 


Batten, 


Emard, 


Irvine, 


Martineau, 


Bechard, 


Ethier, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Mather, 


Benidickson, 


Fairweather, 


Kelly, 


Matheson, 


Benson, 


Fane, 


Kennedy, 


Matte, 


Berger, 


Favreau, 


Kindt, 


Millar, 


Bigg, 


Fleming (Okanagan 


- Klein, 


Mitchell, 


Blouin, 


Revelstoke), 


Knowles, 


Monteith, 


Boulanger, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Moore, 


Brewin, 


Carleton), 


Korchinski, 


More, 


Brown, 


Forbes, 


Lachance, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Byrne, 


Forest, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


North and 


Cadieu, 


Forgie, 


Lamb, 


Victoria), 


Cadieux, 


Francis, 


Lambert, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Frenette, 


Lamontagne, 


Mullally, 


Cowichan-The 


Garland, 


Laniel, 


Munro. 


Islands), 


Gelber, 


Laverdiere, 


Nasserden, 


Cantelon, 


Gendron, 


Leblanc, 


Nesbitt, 


Cantin, 


Girouard, 


Leduc, 


Nicholson, 


Cardin, 


Godin, 


Lessard 


Nielsen, 


Carter, 


Gordon, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Nixon, 


Cashin, 


Grafftey, 


Lessard 


Noble, 


Chapdelaine, 


Granger. 


(Saint-Henri), 


Nowlan, 


Chaplin, 


Gray, 


Lloyd, 


Nugent, 


Choquette, 


Greene, 


Loiselle, 


O'Keefe, 


Chretien, 


Groos, 


Loney, 


Olson, 


Churchill, 


Guay, 


Macdonald, 


Orlikow, 


Clancy, 


Gundlock, 


MacEachen, 


Ormiston, 


Coates, 


Habel, 


MacEwan, 


Otto, 


Cooper, 


Haidasz, 


Maclnnis, 


Ouellet, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Hales, 


Mackasey, 


Pascoe, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Hamilton, 


MacLepn (Queens), 


Patterson, 



A.D. 1964 



TUESDAY, 25th FEBRUARY 



37 



Paul, 


Rinfret, 


Starr, 


Wahn, 


Pennell, 


Robichaud, 


Stefanson, 


Walker, 


Pepin, 


Rochon, 


Stenson, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Pigeon, 


Rock, 


Stewart, 


Watson, 


Pilon, 


Rouleau, 


Tardif, 


(Chateauguay- 


Prittie, 


Roxburgh, 


Teillet, 


Huntingdon- 


Prud'homme, 


Ryan, 


Temple, 


Laprairie), 


Pugh, 


Rynard, 


Thomas, 


Webb, 


Rapp, 


Sauve, 


Thompson, 


Webster, 


Regan, 


Scott, 


Tremblay, 


Weichel, 


Rheaume, 


Skoreyko, 


Tucker, 


Whelan, 


Ricard, 


Slogan, 


Turner, 


Willoughby, 


Richard, 


Smallwood, 


Valade, 


Winch, 


Rideout, 


Smith, 


Vincent, 
Nays 
Messrs: 


Winkler— 215. 


Beaule, 


Caouette, 


Langlois, 


Plourde, 


Belanger, 


Gauthier, 


Laprise, 


Rondeau — 11. 


Boutin, 


Gregoire, 


Perron, 





Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Longueuil), 
seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Chur- 
chill, in amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"but we respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the repeal of the 11% sales tax imposed as a result of action by the 
present government in 1963, on certain building materials and certain machin- 
ery and apparatus to be used in manufacture or production which is, and will 
continue to be, detrimental to various segments of the Canadian economy." 

And debate continuing; at 9.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38(4); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the main 
motion, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Belanger, 


Cadieu, 


Caouette, 


Alkenbrack, 


Bell, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Cardiff, 


Baldwin, 


Bigg, 


Cowichan-The 


Casselman (Mrs.) 


Barnett, 


Boutin, 


Islands), 


Chaplin, 


Beaule, 


Brewin, 


Cantelon, 


Chatterton, 


20222—4 









38 



HOUSE OF COMMONS 



13 ELIZABETH II 



Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Cote (Chicoutimi), 

Grouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdaie, 

Dionne, 

Doucett, 

Douglas, 

Enns, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fisher, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke) , 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Frenette, 
Gauthier, 
Grafftey, 
Gregoire, 
Gundlock, 
Hales, 
Hamilton, 



Herridge, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Horner 

(The Battlefords), 

Howe (Hamilton 
South) , 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron) , 

Irvine, 

Kennedy, 

Kindt, 

Knowles, 

Korchinski, 

Lamb, 

Lambert, 

Langlois, 

Laprise, 

Loney, 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens), 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

McCutcheon, 

Mcintosh, 

Madill, 



Mandziuk, 

Marcoux, 

Martin (Timmins), 

Martineau, 

Mather, 

Millar, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

More, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria), 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nielsen, 
Noble, 
Nowlan, 
Nugent, 
Orlikow, 
Ormiston, 
Ouellet, 
Pascoe, 
Paul, 
Perron, 
Peters, 
Pigeon, 



Plourde, 

Prittie, 

Pugh, 

Rapp, 

Rheaume, 

Ricard, 

Rondeau, 

Rynard, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Smith, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia) 

Webb, 

Webster, 

Weichel, 

Willoughby, 

Winch, 

Winkler, 

Woolliams— 120. 



Nays 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Grossman, 


Hellyer, 


Matheson, 


Armstrong, 


Cyr, 


Honey, 


Matte, 


Asselin, 


Davis, 


Howard, 


Mitchell, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Deachman, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Moreau, 


de-Grace), 


Deschatelets, 


Kelly, 


Morison, 


Asselin 


Drouin, 


Klein, 


Mullally, 


(Richmond-WolfeX 


, Drury, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Munro, 


Badanai, 


Dube, 


Lachance, 


Nicholson, 


Basford, 


Dupuis, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nixon, 


Batten, 


Emard, 


Lamontagne, 


O'Keefe, 


Bechard, 


Ethier, 


Lamoureux, 


Olson, 


Benidickson, 


Favreau, 


Laniel, 


Otto, 


Benson, 


Forest, 


Laverdiere, 


Patterson, 


Berger, 


Forgie, 


Leblanc, 


Pearson, 


Blouin, 


Foy, 


Leduc, 


Pennell, 


Boulanger, 


Francis, 


Lessard 


Pepin, 


Brown, 


Garland, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Pickersgill, 


Byrne, 


Gelber, 


Lloyd, 


Pilon, 


Cadieux, 


Gendron, 


Loiselle, 


Prud'homme, 


Cameron 


Godin, 


Macaluso, 


Regan, 


(High Park), 


Gordon, 


Macdonald, 


Richard, 


Cantin, 


Granger, 


MacEachen, 


Rideout, 


Cardin, 


Gray, 


Mackasey, 


Rinfret 


Caron, 


Greene, 


MacNaught, 


Robichaud, 


Carter, 


Groos, 


Mcllraith, 


Rochon, 


Cashin, 


Guay, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Rock, 


Choquette, 


Habel, 


McMillan, 


Rouleau, 


Chretien, 


Haidasz, 


McNulty, 


Roxburgh, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Harley, 


McWilliam, 


Ryan, 


Cowan, 


Hays, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Sauve, 



A.D. 1964 

Scott, 

Stewart, 

Tardif, 

Teillet, 


TUESDAY, 

Temple, 
Thompson, 
Tremblay, 
Tucker, 


25th FEBRUARY 

Turner, 

Wahn, 

Walker, 


Watson, 

(Chateauguay- 

Huntingdon- 

Laprairie), 

Whelan— 128. 



39 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report by the 
Tariff Board, relative to the Investigation ordered by the Minister of Finance 
respecting Machinery and Equipment Used in the Mining Industry and in the 
Oil and Gas Industries, Volume II (Mining Equipment) — Reference No. 130, 
(English and French), together with a copy of the evidence presented at public 
hearings, pursuant to section 6 of the Tariff Board Act, chapter 261, R.S.C., 
1952. 



By unanimous consent, at 9.57 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(2). 



20222—43 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 26th FEBRUARY 41 

No. 7 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 26th FEBRUARY, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Report of an Investigation of the Columbia to Fraser River Diversion Project, 
1956, together with a copy of the summary of the findings of the Report. 



The House resumed debate, on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Lon- 
gueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to 
His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Monteith, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the extension of family allowances to children between the ages of 16 
and 18 years who are attending school," 

And debate arising thereon and continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



42 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Garland, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budget 
of Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation for the year ending December 31, 
1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 
116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 27th FEBRUARY 43 

No. 8 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 27th FEBRUARY, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Six petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 

Mr. Horner (Acadia), seconded by Mr. Woolliams, by leave of the House, 
introduced Bill C-71, An Act to provide for the Establishment of a Hospital 
Sweepstakes Board, which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — List of Outstanding Returns as of February 25, 1964, to Addresses and 
Orders of the House of Commons, passed during the 1st Session of the 26th 
Parliament. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Lon- 
gueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to 
His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 



44 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Ricard, seconded by Mr. Monteith, in 
amendment thereto, — That the following be added to the Address: 

"We respectfully regret that Your Excellency's advisers have failed to 
propose the extension of family allowances to children between the ages of 16 
and 18 years who are attending school." 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Rondeau, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That all the words after "18 years" be deleted and 
replaced by the following: 

"and have not proposed on the same occasion a general raise of family 
allowances according to the factual cost of living." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment to the amendment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Barnett, 


Caouette, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Perron, 


Beaule, 


Dionne, 


South), 


Peters, 


Boutin, 


Fisher, 


Knowles, 


Plourde, 


Brewin, 


Gauthier, 


Langlois, 


Prittie, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gregoire, 


Laprise, 


Rondeau, 


Cowichan-The 


Herridge, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Webster, 


Islands), 




Mather, 
Orlikow, 

Nays 


Winch— 25. 




Messrs: 




Addison, 


Cameron 


Davis, 


Gendron, 


Aiken, 


(High Park), 


Deachman, 


Girouard, 


Alkenbrack, 


Cantelon, 


Deschatelets, 


Godin, 


Armstrong, 


Cantin, 


Diefenbaker, 


Gordon, 


Asselin 


Cardiff, 


Dinsdale, 


Grafftey, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Cardin, 


Doucett, 


Granger, 


de-Grace), 


Caron, 


Drouin, 


Gray, 


Asselin 


Carter, 


Dube, 


Greene, 


(Richmond-Wolfe) 


, Cashin, 


Dupuis, 


Groos, 


Badanai, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Emard, 


Guay, 


Balcer, 


Chapdelaine, 


Enns, 


Gundlock, 


Baldwin, 


Chaplin, 


Ethier, 


Habel, 


Basford, 


Chatterton, 


Fairweather, 


Hahn, 


Batten, 


Choquette, 


Fane, 


Haidasz, 


Bechard, 


Chretien, 


Favreau, 


Hales, 


Bell, 


Churchill, 


Fleming (Okanagan 


- Hamilton, 


Benidickson, 


Clancy, 


Revelstoke), 


Harley, 


Benson, 


Coates, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Hays, 


Berger, 


Cooper, 


Carleton), 


Hellyer, 


Bigg, 


Cote (Chicoutimi) 


, Forbes, 


Honey, 


Blouin, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Forest, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Boulanger, 


Cowan, 


Forgie, 


Horner 


Brown, 


Crossman, 


Francis, 


(The Battlefords) 


Byrne, 


Crouse, 


Frenette, 


Howard. 


Cadieu, 


Cyr, 


Garland, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Cadieux, 


Danforth, 


Gelber, 


Huron), 



A.D. 1964 


THURSDAY, 2 


7th FEBRUi 5 


Irvine, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Nicholson, 


Jewett (Miss), 


MacNaught, 


Nielsen, 


Kelly, 


Macquarrie, 


Nixon, 


Kennedy, 


MacRae, 


Noble, 


Kindt, 


McBain, 


Nowlan, 


Klein, 


Mcllraith, 


Nugent, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Mcintosh, 


O'Keefe, 


Korchinski, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Olson, 


Lachance, 


McMillan, 


Ormiston, 


Laing, 


McNulty, 


Otto, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


McWilliam, 


Ouellet, 


Lamb, 


Madill, 


Pascoe, 


Lambert, 


Mandziuk, 


Patterson, 


Lamontagne, 


Marcoux, 


Paul, 


Lamoureux, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Pennell, 


Laniel, 


Martineau, 


Pepin, 


Laverdiere, 


Matheson, 


Pickersgill, 


Leblanc, 


Matte, 


Pigeon, 


Leboe, 


Millar, 


Pilon, 


Leduc, 


Mitchell, 


Prud'homme, 


Lessard 


Monteith, 


Pugh, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Moore, 


Rapp, 


Lessard 


More, 


Regan, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Moreau, 


Rheaume, 


Lloyd, 


Morison, 


Ricard, 


Loiselle, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Richard, 


Loney, 


North and 


Rideout, 


Macaluso, 


Victoria) , 


Rinfret, 


Macdonald, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Robichaud, 


MacEachen, 


Mullally, 


Rochon, 


MacEwan, 


Munro, 


Rock, 


Maclnnis, 


Nasserden, 


Rouleau, 


Mackasey, 


Nesbitt, 


Roxburgh, 



45 



Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Scott, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Stewart, 

Tardif, 

Teillet, 

Temple, 

Thomas, 

Thompson, 

Tremblay, 

Tucker, 

Turner, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Wahn, 

Walker, 

Watson ( Assiniboia) , 

Watson, 

(Chateauguay- 

Huntingdon- 

Laprairie), 
Webb, 
Weichel, 
Whelan, 
Willoughby, 
Winkler, 
Woolliams — 222. 



And the question being put on the amendment to the main motion, it was 
negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Barnett, 

Beaule, 

Bell, 

Bigg, 

Boutin, 

Brewin, 

Cadieu, 

Cameron 
(Nanaimo- 
Cowichan- 
The Islands), 

Cantelon, 

Caouette, 

Cardiff, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chaplin, 

Chatterton, 



Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Dionne, 

Doucett, 

Enns, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Fisher, 

Fleming 
(Okanagan- 
Revelstoke), 

Flemming 
(Victoria- 
Carleton), 

Forbes, 



Cauthier, 

Grafftey, 

Gregoire, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Hamilton, 

Herridge, 

Horner (Acadia), 

Horner 

(The Battlefords) 

Howe 

(Hamilton South), 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron) , 

Irvine, 

Kennedy, 

Kindt, 

Knowles, 

Korchinski, 

Lamb, 

Lambert, 



Langlois, 

Laprise, 

Loney, 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens) 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

Mcintosh, 

Madill, 

Mandziuk, 

Martin (Timmins), 

Martineau, 

Mather, 

Millar, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

More, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria), 



46 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Muir (Lisgar), 


Paul, 


Rondeau, 


Valade, 


Nasserden, 


Perron, 


Rynard, 


Vincent, 


Nesbitt, 


Peters, 


Skoreyko, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Nielsen, 


Pigeon, 


Slogan, 


Webb, 


Noble, 


Plourde, 


Smallwood, 


Webster, 


Nowlan, 


Prittie, 


Southam, 


Weichel, 


Nugent, 


Pugh, 


Starr, 


Willoughby, 


Orlikow, 


Rapp, 


Stefanson, 


Winch, 


Ormiston, 


Rheaume, 


Stenson, 


Winkler, 


Pascoe, 


Ricard, 


Thomas, 
Nays 
Messrs: 


Woolliams — 113. 


Addison, 


Deschatelets, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Olson, 


Armstrong, 


Drouin, 


Lamontagne, 


Otto, 


Asselin 


Dube, 


Lamoureux, 


Ouellet, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Dupuis, 


Laniel, 


Patterson, 


de-Grace) , 


Emard, 


Laverdiere, 


Pennell, 


Asselin 


Ethier, 


Leblanc, 


Pepin, 


(Richmond-Wolfe) 


, Favreau, 


Leboe, 


Pickersgill, 


Badanai, 


Forest, 


Leduc, 


Pilon, 


Basford, 


Forgie, 


Lessard 


Prud'homme, 


Batten, 


Francis, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Regan, 


Bechard, 


Frenette, 


Lessard 


Richard, 


Benidickson, 


Garland, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Rideout, 


Benson, 


Gelber, 


Lloyd, 


Rinfret, 


Berger, 


Gendron, 


Loiselle, 


Robichaud, 


Blouin, 


Girouard, 


Macaluso, 


Rochon, 


Boulanger, 


Godin, 


Macdonald, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Gordon, 


MacEachen, 


Rouleau, 


Byrne, 


Granger, 


Mackasey, 


Roxburgh, 


Cadieux, 


Gray, 


MacNaught, 


Ryan, 


Cameron 


Greene, 


Mcllraith, 


Scott, 


(High Park), 


Groos, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Stewart, 


Cantin, 


Guay, 


McMillan, 


Tardif, 


Car din, 


Habel, 


McNulty, 


Teillet, 


Caron, 


Hahn, 


McWilliam, 


Temple, 


Carter, 


Haidasz, 


Marcoux, 


Thompson, 


Cashin, 


Harley, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Tremblay, 


Chapdelaine, 


Hays, 


Matheson, 


Tucker, 


Choquette, 


Hellyer, 


Matte, 


Turner, 


Chretien, 


Honey, 


Mitchell, 


Wahn, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Howard, 


Moreau, 


Walker, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Jewett (Miss), 


Morison, 


Watson 


Cowan, 


Kelly, 


Mullally, 


(Chateauguay- 


Crossman, 


Klein, 


Munro, 


Huntingdon- 


Cyr, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Nicholson, 


Laprairie), 


Davis, 


Lachance, 


Nixon, 


Whelan— 134. 


Deachman, 


Laing, 


O'Keefe, 





Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of January, 1964. 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by Com- 
mand of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Commissioners 
Appointed to Direct the Survey and Demarcation of the Boundary between the 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 27th FEBRUARY 47 

Province of Saskatchewan and the Northwest Territories, dated May 9, 1963, 
accompanied by an Atlas, pursuant to Order in Council P.C. 3801, dated August 
21, 1952, included in the said Report. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated December 18, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for a copy of all questionnaires that have been sent or delivered to seamen 
employed on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes by the Board of Trustees of 
the Canadian Maritime Unions or by a public relations official or person on 
behalf of the said Board v/herein information regarding the personal affairs, 
employment, etc., of the seamen is requested. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 196). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 24, 1963, 
for copies of all correspondence and telegrams received by the Minister of 
Labour or any official of the Department of Labour in respect to the Municipal 
Winter Works Incentive Program between April 22, 1963, and July 22, 1963. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 69). 



At 10.95 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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No. 9 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 28th FEBRUARY, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, for Mr. 
Pearson, laid before the House, — Text of the Prime Minister's letter, dated 
February 25, 1964, sent to the Honourable John P. Robarts, Premier of Ontario, 
on the subject of pensions. (English and French). 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Lon- 
gueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to 
His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return of 
Unclaimed Balances in the Chartered Banks of Canada, as at December 31, 



50 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

1963, pursuant to section 119(1) of the Bank Act, chapter 48, Statutes of 
Canada, 1953-54. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Return of Unclaimed Balances in the Banks incorporated 
under the Quebec Savings Banks Act, as at December 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 93(1) of the said Act, chapter 41, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Mr. Gordon, — Report on the Administration of the Public Service 
Superannuation Act, Parts I and II, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 34, chapter 47, Statutes of Canada 1952-53, and section 49, chapter 
64, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated November 20, 1963, for a copy of all correspond- 
ence received by the Postmaster General or any official of his Department, 
since April 1, 1958, in connection with post offices, rural mail delivery or any 
other services which fall under the jurisdiction of his Department in the con- 
stituency of Joliette-L'Assomption-Montcalm. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 168). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, 
of Wednesday, February 26, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, 
chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital 
Budget of Trans-Canada Air Lines for the year ending December 31, 1964, 
pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1963-1898, dated 
December 21, 1963, approving same. 

First Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 70(7) 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on February 27, meet the requirements of Standing Order 
70: 

A. Clifford Abbott, Maurice J. Arpin, Richard C. Baxter, all of the City 
of Winnipeg, Manitoba, and many others from different Provinces of Canada, 
for an Act to incorporate "Bank of Western Canada" and under the French 
name of Banque de l'Ouest canadien, with pertaining purposes. — Mrs. Konantz. 

The Economical Mutual Insurance Company, of the City of Kitchener, 
Ontario, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Com- 
pany to use, in the transaction of its business, either the name "The Economi- 
cal Mutual Insurance Company" and/or "L'Economical, Compagnie Mutuelle 
d'Assurance". — Mr. Weichel. 

The General Accident Assurance Company of Canada, for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "The General Accident Assurance Company of 
Canada" and/or "La Compagnie d'Assurance Generale Accident du Canada". — 
Mr. Wahn. 

The General Council of the Canadian Branch of the St. John Ambulance 
Association and the Priory of Canada of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospi- 
tal of St. John of Jerusalem, of the City of Ottawa, Ontario, for an Act to 
amend the General Council's Act of Incorporation to define the trusts upon 
which the said General Council holds property beneficially owned by the 
Priory, and for other purposes. — Mr. Matheson. 



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Gordon Frederick Hughes, Barbara Dorothy Hughes, both of the Town of 
Windsor, Ontario, and Philip Andrew Cole of the Village of Hubbards, Nova 
Scotia, and two others of the City of Halifax, Nova Scotia, for an Act to incor- 
porate "New Scotland Savings and Mortgage Company". — Mr. Regan. 

Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, 
for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Corporation to 
use, in the transaction of its business, either the name "Scottish Canadian As- 
surance Corporation" and/or "La Compagnie d' Assurance Canadienne Ecos- 
saise." — Mr. Wahn. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(2). 



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No. 10 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 2nd MARCH, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copies of letters dated January 11 and February 13, 1964, exchanged 
between the Prime Minister and the Premier of Ontario, on the subject of 
pensions. (English and French). 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — "The Columbia River Treaty, Protocol, and Related Docu- 
ments". (English and French). 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries 
Commissions to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the 
Provinces in the House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of 
such Representation in accordance therewith, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. MacEachen, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Merchant Sea- 
men Compensation Act 

(a) to reduce the length of time a seaman must be disabled before com- 
pensation is payable to him; 



54 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

(b) to increase the maximum amount payable as burial expenses for a 
seaman who dies from an injury; 

(c) to provide that the compensation payable for or to dependent children 
of a seaman who dies from an injury may, with the approval of the 
Merchant Seamen Compensation Board, be paid to each such child 
under the age of twenty-one years who is attending school; 

(d) to increase the minimum rate of compensation required to be paid 
to an injured seaman for temporary or permanent total disability; and 

(e) to provide for the payment out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of 
additional compensation to the widows and dependent children of 
seamen who died prior to 1st June, 1957 from injuries; 

and to make certain other amendments for the better administration of the 
Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The following Notices of Motions having been called were transferred 
to Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pur- 
suant to Standing Order 21(2): 



That a Special Committee be appointed to continue, with Mr. Speaker, the 
consideration of procedure and organization of this House, begun by a Special 
Committee at the past Session, for the purpose of suggesting any changes 
that would assure the more expeditious dispatch of public business and would 
strengthen Parliament and make it more effective; that the Committee have 
power to send for persons and papers; that it report from time to time its 
findings and recommendations to the House; and that it consist, in addition 
to Mr. Speaker, of 14 Members to be designated at a later date. — The Prime 
Minister. 



That a Special Committee be appointed to continue the consideration of 
matters relating to defence begun by the Special Committee at the past Session 
and to report from time to time its observations and opinions thereon; 

That the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records 
and to examine witnesses; 

That it be empowered to adjourn from place to place; 

That the minutes of the proceedings and evidence taken by the Special 
Committee at the past Session be referred to the said Committee and made a 
part of the records thereof; and 

That the Committee consist of 24 Members to be designated by the House 
at a later date, and that Standing Order 67(1) be suspended in relation thereto. 
— The Minister of National Defence. 



That a Special Committee be appointed to continue the enquiry into and to 
report upon (a) the hazards of food contamination from insecticides, pesticides, 
and other noxious substances; and (b) the safety and cost of drugs, begun by 
a Special Committee at the past Session; 

That the Committee consist of 24 Members to be designated later by the 
House; 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 2nd MARCH 55 

That the Committee be empowered to send for persons, papers, records, 
and to report from time to time, and to print such papers and evidence from 
day to day as may be deemed advisable; 

That the minutes of proceedings and evidence of the Special Committee 
at the past Session be referred to the said Committee and be made a part of 
the records thereof; 

That the provisions of Standing Orders 66 and 67(1) be suspended in 
relation thereto. — The Minister of National Health and Welfare. 

That a Joint Committee of the Senate and House of Commons be appointed 
to continue the enquiry into and to report upon the problem of consumer credit, 
more particularly but not so as to restrict the generality of the foregoing, to 
enquire into and report upon the operation of Canadian legislation in relation 
thereto; 

That 24 Members of the House of Commons, to be designated by the House 
at a later date, be members of the Joint Committee, and that Standing Order 
67(1) of the House of Commons be suspended in relation thereto; 

That the minutes of proceedings and the evidence received and taken by 
the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit at the past Session be referred to the 
said Committee and made part of the records thereof; 

That the said Committee have power to call for persons, papers and 
records and examine witnesses; and to report from time to time and to print 
such papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the Committee 
and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto; and, 

That a message be sent to the Senate requesting that House to unite with 
this House for the above purpose, and to select, if the Senate deems it advisable, 
some of its Members to act on the proposed Joint Committee. — The Solicitor 
General. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Cote (Lon- 
gueuil), seconded by Mr. Basford, — That the following Address be presented to 
His Excellency the Governor General of Canada: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General 
and Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the House of Commons 
of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to 
Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed 
to both Houses of Parliament. 

And debate continuing; at 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 38(5); 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to. 

On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), it was 
ordered that the said Address be engrossed and presented to His Excellency 
the Governor General by such Members of this House as are of the Honourable 
the Privy Council. 



56 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), it was 
resolved, — That this House will, at its next sitting, resolve itself into a Com- 
mittee to consider of the Supply to be granted to Her Majesty. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), it was 
resolved, — That this House will, at its next sitting, resolve itself into a Commit- 
tee to consider of the Ways and Means for raising the Supply to be granted to 
Her Majesty. 



By unanimous consent, at 9.48 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 3rd MARCH 57 

No. 11 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 3rd MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, 
as follows: 

GEORGES P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Estimates of 
sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending on the 31st March, 
1965, and, in accordance with the provisions of the British North America Act, 
1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates to the House of 
Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 



On motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, the said Message and 
Main Estimates, 1964-65, were referred to the Committee of Supply. 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the 
Treaty between Canada and the United States of America relating to coopera- 
tive development of the water resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed 
at Washington on January 17th, 1961, together with the Protocol containing 
modifications and clarifications to the Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes 
between the Governments of Canada and the United States signed on January 
22nd, 1964, be referred to the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 



58 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-2, An Act respecting 
the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act; 

Mr. Chretien, seconded by Mr. Ethier, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported with amendments, and considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 

Order No. 2 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-4, An Act to amend 
the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development Act (Indian Reserves); 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex East), 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Treaty between Canada and the United 
States of America relating to cooperative development of the water resources 
of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 1961, 
together with the Protocol containing modifications and clarifications to the 
Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada 
and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the Stand- 
ing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated November 6, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for a copy of each and every information laid under the Criminal Code of 
Canada on or before October 31, 1963, against Hal C. Banks, together with any 
other legal documents issued or served on the said Banks in connection with the 
information or charges in question. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 155). 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 3rd MARCH 59 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 4, 
1963, for a copy of all correspondence between any department of the federal 
government or any of its agencies and any other person or persons regarding 
the location of the proposed heavy water plant. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 173). 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — First Report, pursuant to 
Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

The Economical Mutual Insurance Company, of the City of Kitchener, 
Ontario, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company 
to use, in the transaction of its business, either the name "The Economical 
Mutual Insurance Company" and/or "L'Economieal, Compagnie Mutuelle d'As- 
surance". 

The General Accident Assurance Company of Canada, for an Act to amend 
its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name "The General Accident Assurance Company of 
Canada" and/or "La Compagnie d' Assurance Generale Accident du Canada". 

The General Council of the Canadian Branch of the St. John Ambulance 
Association and the Priory of Canada of the Most Venerable Order of the 
Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem, of the City of Ottawa, Ontario, for an Act 
to amend the General Council's Act of Incorporation to define the trusts upon 
which the said General Council holds property beneficially owned by the Pri- 
ory, and for other purposes. 

Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, 
for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Corporation to use, 
in the transaction of its business, either the name "Scottish Canadian Assurance 
Corporation" and/or "La Compagnie d'Assurance Canadienne Ecossaise". 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 4th MARCH 61 

No. 12 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 4th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Report of the Saint John River Board entitled "Effects of Storage on Power 
Generation in New Brunswick". 



Mr. Laing also laid before the House, — Interim Report from the Nelson 
River Programming Board to the Government of Canada and to the Govern- 
ment of Manitoba, together with a Report of the Administrative Committee to 
the Programming Board entitled "Nelson River Investigations" dated February 
6, 1964. 



Mr. Carter, seconded by Mr. Benson, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-73, An Act to amend the Fisheries Act (Forfeiture Floor), which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that on Mondays and Wednesdays, 
when "Questions" on the Order Paper are reached, the Honourable the Secre- 
tary of State, or his Parliamentary Secretary, as the case may be, will inform 
the House of such Questions as are to be answered in writing or which the 
government will request be made Orders for Returns, and also will state the 
numbers of the starred Questions which will be separately called and answered 
orally. 

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62 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Knowles for Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Howard, it 
was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence 
exchanged between the government and individuals and organizations since 
1957 on the subject of the establishment of barge landing facilities at the 
mouth of the Campbell River. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 1). 

Mr. McWilliam, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works, 
presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



On motion of Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Howard, it 
was resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency pray- 
ing that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams and 
other correspondence since January 1, 1964, between the Government of the 
Province of Manitoba and/or its Ministers, and the Government of Canada 
and/or its Ministers, and between representatives of the employees of T.C.A. 
in Winnipeg, and the Government of Canada or its Ministers, with regard to 
further lay-offs at the T.C.A. Repair Base at Winnipeg. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 2). 



On motion of Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Mandziuk, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all reports, correspondence, etc., 
exchanged between the Government of Canada and the communist Government 
of Mongolia following the recognition by Canada of the Mongolian Govern- 
ment. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 3). 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Address. 



On motion of Mr. Douglas, seconded by Mr. Fisher, it was resolved, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, dated since January 
11, 1964, between the Prime Minister of Canada and the provincial govern- 
ments, with reference to the proposed Canada Pension Plan, including all cor- 
respondence referring to the revised terms of the Plan as set out in the Prime 
Minister's memorandum to the provinces dated January 11, 1964. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 4). 



On motion of Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Mandziuk, it was resolved, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged between 
the government and the governments of the provinces concerning arrange- 
ments for loans to university students by the federal government as announced 
in the Speech from the Throne. — (Notice of Motion for the Production oj 
Papers No. 5). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 6 to 11, 13, 21 
and 22, 25, 27, 29 to 52 inclusive) having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



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WEDNESDAY, 4th MARCH 



63 



On motion of Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Fleming (Okanagan-Revel- 
stoke), it was resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excel- 
lency praying that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of any 
contract or agreement or correspondence and memoranda constituting such con- 
tract or agreement between the Government of the United States or the Govern- 
ment of the State of Alaska or any agent or agency of either and the Govern- 
ment of Canada or the Government of the Yukon Territory or any agent or 
agency of either with respect to the maintenance of the Canadian section of 
the road from Haines Junction in the Yukon to Haines in Alaska during the 
winter of 1963-64. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 12). 

On motion of Mr. Bell, seconded by Mr. Mandziuk, it was resolved, — That 
an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause 
to be laid before this House copies of all correspondence, letters, telegrams 
or other documents exchanged between the federal government and the Gov- 
ernment of New Brunswick, City of Saint John, and any other organizations 
or bodies in the said Province on the subject of financial assistance for provin- 
cial cultural centres in connection with centennial planning. — (Notice of Mo- 
tion for the Production of Papers No. 14). 

Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before 
this House a copy of the report of the engineers, experts, technicians or advisers 
of Trans-Canada Air Lines concerning the choice of a new medium-range air- 
craft by Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 16). 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was negatived on the 
following division: 

Yeas 
Messrs: 



Balcer, 


Caouette, 


Gregoire, 


Pigeon, 


Beaule, 


Clancy, 


Langlois, 


Plourde — 14. 


Belanger, 


Dionne, 


Laprise, 




Boutin, 


Gauthier, 


Perron, 

Nays 
Messrs: 




Addison, 


Benson, 


Caron, 


Dinsdale, 


Aiken, 


Berger, 


Carter, 


Doucett, 


Alkenbrack, 


Blouin, 


Cashin, 


Drury, 


Armstrong, 


Boulanger, 


Chatterton, 


Dube, 


Asselin 


Brown, 


Chretien, 


Dupuis, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Byrne, 


Churchill, 


Emard, 


de-Grace), 


Cadieu, 


Coates, 


Ethier, 


Asselin 


Cadieux, 


Cooper, 


Fairweather, 


(Richmond- Wolfe) ; 


, Cameron 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Fane, 


Badanai, 


(High Park), 


Cowan, 


Favreau, 


Baldwin, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- Crossman, 


Fisher, 


Basford, 


Cowichan-The 


Grouse, 


Fleming (Okanagan 


Batten, 


Islands), 


Danforth, 


Revelstoke), 


Bechard, 


Cantelon, 


Davis, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


Beer, 


Cantin, 


Deachman, 


Carleton), 


Bell, 


Cardiff, 


Deschatelets, 


Forbes, 


Benidickson, 


Car din, 


Diefenbaker, 


Forest, 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Forgie, 


Laing, 


Monteith, 


Ryan, 


Francis, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Moore, 


Rynard, 


Garland, 


Lamb, 


Moreau, 


Sauve, 


Gelber, 


Lambert, 


Morison, 


Scott, 


Gendron, 


Lamontagne, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Sharp, 


Godin, 


Lamoureux, 


Mullally, 


Simpson, 


Gordon, 


Laniel, 


Munro, 


Skoreyko, 


Grafftey, 


Laverdiere, 


Nasserden, 


Slogan, 


Gray, 


Leblanc, 


Nicholson, 


Smallwood, 


Greene, 


Leboe, 


Nielsen, 


Smith, 


Groos, 


Leduc, 


Noble, 


Southam, 


Guay, 


Lessard 


Nowlan, 


Starr, 


Gundlock, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Nugent, 


Stefanson, 


Habel, 


Lloyd, 


O'Keefe, 


Stenson, 


Haidasz, 


Loiselle, 


Olson, 


Stewart, 


Hales, 


Loney, 


Ormiston, 


Tardif, 


Hamilton, 


Macaluso, 


Otto, 


Teillet, 


Harley, 


Macdonald, 


Pascoe, 


Temple, 


Hays, 


MacEwan, 


Patterson, 


Thomas, 


Hellyer, 


Maclnnis, 


Paul, 


Thompson, 


Herridge, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Pearson, 


Tremblay, 


Honey, 


MacNaught, 


Pennell, 


Tucker, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Macquarrie, 


Pepin, 


Turner, 


Horner 


McBain, 


Pickersgill, 


Vincent, 


(The Battlefords), 


McCutcheon, 


Pilon, 


Wahn, 


Howard, 


Mcllraith, 


Prittie, 


Walker, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Mcintosh, 


Prud'homme, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


South), 


McNulty, 


Pugh, 


Watson 


Howe (Wellington- 


McWilliam, 


Rapp, 


(Chateauguay- 


Huron), 


Madill, 


Regan, 


Huntingdon- 


Irvine, 


Mandziuk, 


Rheaume, 


Laprairie), 


Jorgenson, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Ricard, 


Webb, 


Kennedy, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Richard, 


Whelan, 


Kindt, 


Martineau, 


Rideout, 


Willoughby, 


Klein, 


Mather, 


Rinfret, 


Winkler, 


Knowles, 


Matheson, 


Robichaud, 


Woolliams— 206. 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Matte, 


Rochon, 




Korchinski, 


Millar, 


Rock, 




Lachance, 


Mitchell, 


Roxburgh, 





Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or documents 
exchanged between the Minister of Transport or any of the Officers of his 
Department and the President or any of the Officers or employees of Trans- 
Canada Air Lines concerning the total or partial construction of a new medium- 
range aircraft for Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 17). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) stated that he desired 
a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or documents 
exchanged between the Minister of Transport or any of the Officers of his 



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Department and the President or any of the Officers or employees of Trans- 
Canada Air Lines concerning the purchase of a new medium-range aircraft 
by Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 18). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) stated that he desired 
a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



On motion of Mr. Aiken, seconded by Mr. Jorgenson, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters, telegrams and other 
communications received by the Minister of Transport or his Department, and 
replies thereto, since October 1, 1963, in connection with the removal of Whit- 
ney Hillmer, Harbourmaster at Sarnia, and the appointment of his successor. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 19). 



On motion of Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Howard, it 
was resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying 
that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all letters and tele- 
grams between the John Howard Society and the Elizabeth Fry Society of 
Ontario and the Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice with respect to the 
building of the new Women's Prison at Cornwall, Ontario. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 20). 



On motion of Mr. Southam for Mr. More, seconded by Mr. Smallwood, it 
was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters, mem- 
oranda, briefs or other documents exchanged since April 22, 1963, between any 
of the staff associations of the Public Service of Canada and the Prime Min- 
ister, the Minister of Finance, the Secretary of State or any official of these 
Departments or the Civil Service Commission on the subject of collective bar- 
gaining for public servants. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 23). 



On motion of Mr. Southam for Mr. More, seconded by Mr. Smallwood, it 
was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters, mem- 
oranda, briefs or other documents exchanged since April 22, 1963, between any 
of the staff associations of the Public Service of Canada and the Prime Min- 
ister, the Minister of Finance, the Secretary of State or any official of these 
Departments or the Civil Service Commission on the subject (a) of cyclical 
reviews of salaries for the public service (b) salary increases for those clerical 
and other grades which did not receive increases after the last review. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 24). 



On motion of Mr. Mullally, seconded by Mr. O'Keefe, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House copies of all letters, telegrams, documents 
or other communications exchanged between the Minister of Agriculture, offi- 



66 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

cials of his Department or officers of the Agricultural Rehabilitation Develop- 
ment Branch (ARDA) and the Ministers, officers or representatives of the 
Government of Prince Edward Island on all matters relating to ARDA since 
the inception of the program. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 26). 



On motion of Mr. Fleming (Okanagan-Revelstoke), seconded by Mr. Hales, 
it was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters, tele- 
grams or other communications between the 12th of February, 1964, and the 
date hereof, touching on the raids made under the direction of the Department 
of National Defence in search of arms or ammunition in colleges, schools or 
other institutions. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 28). 

Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Treaty between Canada and the 
United States of America relating to cooperative development of the water 
resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 
1961, together with the Protocol containing modifications and clarifications to 
the Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Can- 
ada and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Items numbered 1 to 4 inclusive having been called for the first time were 
allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Mr. Coates, seconded by Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), moved, — That, 
in the opinion of this House, the government should give consideration to the 
advisability of immediate development of the Chignecto Complex through the 
harnessing of the Bay of Fundy tides for power purposes. — (Notice of Motion 
No. 5). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report, dated 
February 7, 1964, of the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, under the 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 4th MARCH 67 

Combines Investigation Act, concerning the Sale of Plumbing and Heating Sup- 
plies and Related Products in the City of Montreal and Elsewhere in the Prov- 
ince of Quebec. (English and French). 



By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
work performed and expenditures made as of December 31, 1963, together 
with estimated expenditures for 1964, respecting the construction by the Cana- 
dian National Railway Company of certain railway terminal facilities at and 
in the vicinity of the City of Toronto, pursuant to section 10 of the Canadian 
National Toronto Terminals Act, chapter 26, Statutes of Canada, 1960. (English 
and French). 



By Mr. Pickersgill, — Statement of work performed and expenditures made 
as of December 31, 1963, together with estimated expenditures for 1964, under 
authority of chapter 7, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61, respecting the construc- 
tion by the Canadian National Railway Company of a railway line from mile 
72.6 Kiask Falls Subdivision, to Mattagami Lake Mines, Township of Galinee, 
in the Province of Quebec, pursuant to section 8 of the said Act. (English. and 
French). 



By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of work performed and expenditures made as 
of December 31, 1963, together with estimated expenditures for 1964, under 
authority of chapter 56, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61, respecting the construc- 
tion by the Canadian National Railway Company of a line of railway from a 
point near Grimshaw, in the Province of Alberta, in a northerly direction to 
Great Slave Lake in the Northwest Territories, pursuant to section 9 of the 
said Act. (English and French). 



By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of work performed and expenditures made 
as of December 31, 1963, together with estimated expenditures for 1964, under 
authority of chapter 9, Statutes of Canada, 1962, respecting the construction 
of a line of railway in the Province of Alberta by the Canadian National Rail- 
way Company from Whitecourt to the property of Pan American Petroleum 
Corporation, pursuant to section 8 of the said Act. (English and French). 



By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of work performed and expenditures made 
as of December 31, 1963, under authority of chapter 13, Statutes of Canada, 
1962, respecting the construction and operation on behalf of Her Majesty of a 
line of railway in the Province of Quebec between Matane and Ste. Anne des 
Monts, pursuant to section 6 of the said Act. (English and French). 



By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of work performed and expenditures made as 
of December 31, 1963, together with estimated expenditures for 1964, under 
authority of chapter 13, Statutes of Canada, 1957-58, as amended, respecting 
the construction of a line of railway by Canadian National Railway Company 



68 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

from Optic Lake to Chisel Lake, and from Chisel Lake to Stall Lake, and the 
purchase by Canadian National Railway Company from The International 
Nickel Company of Canada, Limited, of a line of railway from Sipiwesk to 
a point on Burntwood River near Mystery Lake, all in the Province of Manitoba, 
pursuant to section 11 of the said Act. (English and French). 



By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of work performed and expenditures made as 
of December 31, 1963, together with estimated expenditures for 1964, under 
authority of chapter 11, Statutes of Canada, 1962-63, respecting the construc- 
tion of a line of railway in the Province of New Brunswick by Canadian Na- 
tional Railway Company from Nepisiguit Junction on the Bathurst Subdivision 
of the Canadian National Railway in a southerly and westerly direction for a 
distance of approximately 15 miles to the property of Brunswick Mining and 
Smelting Corporation Limited, pursuant to section 8 of the said Act. (English 
and French). 



By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Canadian Wheat Board for the Crop Year ended July 31, 1963, certified by the 
Auditors, pursuant to section 7(2) of the Canadian Wheat Board Act, chapter 
44, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 5th MARCH 

No. 13 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 5th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable Senators Belisle, Cameron, Davies, Fergusson, Fournier (De 
Lanaudiere), Gladstone, Gouin, Haig, Irvine, Lambert, MacDonald (Queens), 
O'Leary (Antigonish-Guysborough) , Pouliot, Reid, Vien, White and Yuzyk 
have been appointed a Committee to assist the Honourable the Speaker in the 
direction of the Library of Parliament, so far as the interests of the Senate 
are concerned, and to act on behalf of the Senate as Members of a Joint Com- 
mittee of both Houses on the said Library. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable Senators Blais, Bouffard, Bradley, Comeau, Davies, Dupuis, Flynn, 
Isnor, McGrand, O'Leary (Antigonish-Guysborough), Pearson, Phillips, Reid, 
Savoie, Smith (Kamloops), Stambaugh, Sullivan, Welch, Willis and Wood 
have been appointed a Committee to superintend the printing of the Senate 
during the present Session and to act on behalf of the Senate as Members of 
a Joint Committee of both Houses on the subject of the Printing of Parliament. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Honourable the Speaker, the Honourable Senators Beaubien (Provencher) , 
Fergusson, Inman, Macdonald (Cape Breton), McLean, and Reid have been ap- 
pointed a Committee to direct the management of the Restaurant of Parlia- 
ment, so far as the interests of the Senate are concerned, and to act on behalf 
of the Senate as Members of a Joint Committee of both Houses on the said 
Restaurant. 

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70 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Treaty between Canada and the 
United States of America relating to cooperative development of the water 
resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 
1961, together with the Protocol containing modifications and clarifications to 
the Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Can- 
ada and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Caouette, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or documents 
exchanged between the Minister of Transport or any of the Officers of his 
Department and the President or any of the Officers or employees of Trans- 
Canada Air Lines concerning the total or partial construction of a new medium- 
range aircraft for Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 17). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex East), 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Treaty between Canada and the United 
States of America relating to cooperative development of the water resources 
of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 1961, 
together with the Protocol containing modifications and clarifications to the 
Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada 
and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the Stand- 
ing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 14 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 6th MARCH, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as 
follows : 

GEORGES P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Common Supplementary 
Estimates (E) of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1964, and, in accordance with the provisions of The British 
North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates to 
the House of Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 

On motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, the said Messages and 
Supplementary Estimates (E), 1963-64, were referred to the Committee of 
Supply. 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a Special Report prepared by R. Dixon Speas Associates on 
the subject of Overhaul and Stores Base Facilities for Trans-Canada Air Lines. 

Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-74, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, which was read a first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

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72 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Treaty between Canada and the 
United States of America relating to cooperative development of the water 
resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 
1961, together with the Protocol containing modifictions and clarifications to 
the Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Can- 
ada and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 15(3) ] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 11 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-15, An Act to amend 
the Annual Vacations Act (Two Weeks after one year) ; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Scott, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated October 9, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for copies of all correspondence between the Federal and Provincial govern- 
ments or any ministers thereof in regard to the Canada Pension Plan. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 84). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Supplementary Return to an Address, dated October 
9, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all telegrams, 
letters or other documents received by the Government of Canada from insur- 
ance companies or other corporations, firms, associations or individuals con- 
cerning the Canada Pension Plan. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 88). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
Trans-Canada Air Lines for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 29 of the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, chapter 268, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report to Parliament of the Auditor on the Accounts 
of Trans-Canada Air Lines for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 29 of the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, chapter 268, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 6th MARCH 73 

At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 9th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before 
the House, — Order in Council P.C. 1963-315, dated February 26, 1963, together 
with a copy of the approved Agreement between Trans-Canada Air Lines and 
Transair Limited relating to the Southern Prairie and Regina, Saskatoon and 
Prince Albert Air Services. 



Mr. Nicholson, seconded by Mr. Hays, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to amend the Post Office Act to abolish the local 
delivery rates for first class mail and for all newspapers and periodicals other 
than those published more frequently than weekly; to establish a minimum 
rate of one-half cent per copy to each separate address for all publications 
other than those to which local delivery rates apply or that have postage-free 
privileges; to make the four cent a pound postage on specimen copies of pub- 
lications subject to either the local delivery rate or the minimum rate, which- 
ever is applicable and to extend to certain cultural and technical publications 
the privileges now granted to newspapers and periodicals devoted to religion, 
the sciences or agriculture. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



78 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question v/as made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 147 — Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint-Jean) 
What are the names, biographies, present occupation and residence of each 
of the members of the Economic Council and the duration of their appointment? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Treaty between Canada and the 
United States of America relating to cooperative development of the water 
resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 
1961, together with the Protocol containing modifications and clarifications to 
the Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Can- 
ada and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Herridge, seconded by Mr. Winch, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of the creation of 
a Water Pollution Control Division, composed of representatives of the ten 
provinces, within the framework of the proposed National Resources Council, 
with powers and funds required to institute research programs, collect, col- 
late, and analyse water control data, and to co-ordinate the water pollution 
control objectives for the provinces; in addition, to further the study of water 
pollution control problems of a national character. — (Notice of Motion No. 1). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex East), 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Treaty between Canada and the United 
States of America relating to cooperative development of the water resources 
of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 1961, 
together with the Protocol containing modifications and clarifications to the 
Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada 
and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964, be referred to the Stand- 
ing Committee on External Affairs. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



Mr. Martin (Essex East) for Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, 
moved, — That a Special Committee be appointed to continue, with Mr. Speaker, 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 9th MARCH 77 

the consideration of procedure and organization of this House, begun by a 
Special Committee at the past Session, for the purpose of suggesting any 
changes that would assure the more expeditious dispatch of public business and 
would strengthen Parliament and make it more effective; that the Committee 
have power to send for persons and papers; that it report from time to time 
its findings and recommendations to the House; and that it consist, in addition 
to Mr. Speaker, of 14 Members to be designated at a later date. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



On motion of Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Miss LaMarsh, it was resolved, 
— That a Joint Committee of the Senate and House of Commons be appointed 
to continue the enquiry into and to report upon the problem of consumer credit, 
more particularly but not so as to restrict the generality of the foregoing, to 
enquire into and report upon the operation of Canadian legislation in relation 
thereto; 

That 24 Members of the House of Commons, to be designated by the House 
at a later date, be members of the Joint Committee, and that Standing Order 
67(1) of the House of Commons be suspended in relation thereto; 

That the minutes of proceedings and the evidence received and taken by 
the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit at the past Session be referred to the 
said Committee and made part of the records thereof; 

That the said Committee have power to call for persons, papers and 
records and examine witnesses; and to report from time to time and to print 
such papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the Committee 
and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto; and, 

That a message be sent to the Senate requesting that House to unite with 
this House for the above purpose, and to select, if the Senate deems it advisable, 
some of its Members to act on the proposed Joint Committee. 



On motion of Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Nicholson, it was resolved, — 
That a Special Committee be appointed to continue the enquiry into and to 
report upon (a) the hazards of food contamination from insecticides, pesticides, 
and other noxious substances; and (b) the safety and cost of drugs, begun by 
a Special Committee at the past Session; 

That the Committee consist of 24 Members to be designated later by the 
House; 

That the Committee be empowered to send for persons, papers, records, 
and to report from time to time, and to print such papers and evidence from 
day to day as may be deemed advisable; 

That the minutes of proceedings and evidence of the Special Committee 
at the past Session be referred to the said Committee and be made a part of 
the records thereof; 

That the provisions of Standing Orders 66 and 67(1) be suspended in 
relation thereto. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-72, An Act to pro- 
vide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions to report upon 



78 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the House of Com- 
mons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representation in accord- 
ance therewith; 

Mr. Pickersgill for Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by com- 
mand of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Custodian of 
Enemy Property for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 3 
of the Trading with the Enemy (Transitional Powers) Act, chapter 24, Sta- 
tutes of Canada, 1947. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated July 15, 
1963, (Question No. 829) showing: 1. Have any members of the Civil Service, 
Public Service, or any federal government employee of any government depart- 
ment or Crown Corporation been seconded, attached, transferred, posted or 
loaned to the Prime Minister's Office, Privy Council or to any Minister's office 
or to any Minister's personal staff since April 22, 1963, and, if so, what are their 
names, location, responsibilities, salary, date duties commenced, name of im- 
mediate supervisor, and the name of department to which their position is 
established? 

2. Have any persons other than federal government employees been 
made available in any capacity to the Prime Minister's office or to any Min- 
ister's office or as part of the Minister's personal staff since April 22, 1963 
that have been in receipt of government monies by means of salary or 
expense account funds and, if so, what are their names, date duties com- 
menced, location, responsibilities, name of previous employer and amount of 
federal monies in any form received to date? 

3. Have any persons other than federal government employees been 
made available in any capacity to the Prime Minister's office, Privy Council 
or to any Minister's office, or to any Minister's personal staff since April 
22, 1963, who may or who may not, have been in receipt of government monies 
and who have had access to or have used government equipment, materials, 
stores, supplies, including privileged, classified and internal governmental 
information, correspondence and files and, if so, what are their names, nature 
of duties, date duties commenced, name of previous employer, and loca- 
tion? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated November 
20, 1963, (Question No. 1,425) showing: 1. How many persons were admitted 
to Canada under Order in Council between the years 1950 and 1960? 

2. What are the numbers of these Orders and the names and addresses 
on those included in each Order, signifying in each case those recommended 
by Members of Parliament for inclusion following the amnesty provision for 
those illegally admitted? 



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3. How many were included in these Orders in Council, and what adjust- 
ments have been made to correct improper information in the Order in Council 
giving the number of P.C. Order in each case? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated December 
18, 1963, (Question No. 1,346) showing: 1. For each month since July 1, 1962, 
how many, if any, certificates of citizenship have been granted to people of 
Chinese origin? 

2. With respect to the period of time which elapses between the examina- 
tion for citizenship before a judge and the issuance of the said certificate, 
what period of time lapsed with respect to each of the said people of Chinese 
origin expressed by groups in units of weeks and/or years as the case may 
be? 

By Mr. Tremblay, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return of 
Permits issued under the authority of section 8 of the Immigration Act for 
the calendar year 1963, pursuant to section 8(5) of the said Act, chapter 325, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 10th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Copy of the Final Report of the Fraser River Board on Flood Control and 
Hydro-Electric Power in the Fraser River Basin. 



The House resumed consideration of the proposed motion of Mr. Pickers- 
gill for Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-72, 
An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions 
to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the 
House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representa- 
tion in accordance therewith, be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-6, An Act to amend 
the Indian Act (Liquor Rights) ; 

Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 



82 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill for Mr. 
Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-72, An Act to pro- 
vide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions to report upon 
the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the House of Com- 
mons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representation in accord- 
ance therewith, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Royal Canadian Mounted 
Police for the year ended March 31, 1962. (English and French). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 11th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty the Queen in the fol- 
lowing words: 

To 

Her Most Excellent Majesty 

Elizabeth the Second, 

By the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, 
Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, 
Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We Your Majesty's Commons of Canada, in Parliament assem- 
bled, respectfully desire to offer our loyal and warm congratulations to Your 
Majesty and His Royal Highness the Prince Philip on the birth of a son, and 

to assure Your Majesty that this happy event gives the Members of the 

House of Commons of Canada great joy and satisfaction. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker, it was ordered, — 
That the said Address be engrossed. 



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On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker, it was ordered, — 
That a Message be sent to the Senate informing their Honours that this House 
had passed an Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen, expressing 
congratulations on the occasion of the birth of a Prince, and requesting their 
Honours to unite with this House in the said Address. 



Mr. Walker, from the Special Committee appointed to prepare and report 
lists of Members to compose the Standing Committees of the House under 
Standing Order 65, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which 
was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that the Standing Committee on External 
Affairs be composed of the following Members: 



Brewin, 

Byrne, 

Cadieux (Terrebonne), 

Cameron (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-the Islands) 
Cashin, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 
Chatterton, 
Coates, 
Davis, 
Deachman, 
Dinsdale, 
Fairweather, 



Messrs. 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke) , 
Forest, 
Gelber, 
Groos, 
Haidasz, 
Herridge, 
Kindt, 
Laprise, 
Leboe, 
Macdonald, 
MacEwan, 
Macquarrie, 



Martineau, 

Matheson, 

Monteith, 

Nesbitt, 

Patterson, 

Pennell, 

Plourde, 

Regan, 

Ryan, 

Stewart, 

Turner. - 3"£~ 



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By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), it was 
resolved, — That the Standing Committees of this House be severally empow- 
ered to examine and enquire into all such matters and things as may be 
referred to them by the House, and to report from time to time their obser- 
vations and opinions thereon, with power to send for persons, papers and 
records. 



Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — That the House do 
go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His 
Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure, to be known as the Canada 
Pension Plan, to establish a comprehensive program of old age pensions in 
Canada payable to contributors, and to provide, among other things, for the 
payment of retirement pensions beginning at any age between 65 and 70 years; 
for the payment of pensions to surviving spouses beginning at any age from 
65 years; for the progressive establishment of full pensions over an initial 



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period of 10 years; for the co-ordination of pensions payable under the Old 
Age Security Act with pensions payable under the Canada Pension Plan and 
for the payment of adjusted pensions under the Old Age Security Act begin- 
ning at any age from 65 years; and to provide further that all expenditures 
under the Canada Pension Plan, including costs of administration, shall be 
financed from contributions by employees, employers and self-employed 
persons. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made 
an Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 173 — Mr. Matheson 

What monies are currently being expended by federal treasury to provide 
or to subsidize pest control by chemical insecticides, and what land areas of 
Canada are thereby affected? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers (Nos. 6, 9, 10, 13, 21, 22, 
25, 27, 29 to 52, 57 to 67, and 69) having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



Mr. Bell, seconded by Mr. MacEwan, moved, — That an Order of the House 
do issue for a copy of all letters, memoranda or directives made by the 
Minister and/or the Department of National Defence regarding the rounding 
up of arms and/or ammunition. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 53). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Saint John- Albert (Mr. Bell) stated that he 
desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



On motion of Mr. Caouette, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams and documents exchanged between the Department of Transport, 
the Department of Public Works, the City of Trois-Rivieres, the contractors 
and intermediaries concerning the dredging of the St. Maurice channel, the 
development of a berthing area and of a mooring basin, from January 1, 1962 
to April 8, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 54). 



On motion of Mr. Horner (Acadia), seconded by Mr. Smallwood, it was 
resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that 



86 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, corre- 
spondence, reports, briefs and memoranda, and any replies thereto between 
the federal government and any of its departments and the Province of Alberta 
concerning A.R.D.A. since December 20, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 55). 



On motion of Mr. Latulippe, seconded by Mr. Dionne, it was ordered,' — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams or other documents exchanged since January 1, 1963 between the 
Minister of Transport or any official of his Department, and the "Compagnie 
de Navigation Nord-Sud" or any of its representatives, relative to the ferry 
service between Pointe-au-Pere and Baie Comeau and subsidies relating 
thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 56). 



On motion of Mr. Pascoe, seconded by Mr. Nasserden, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
etc., since April 22, 1963 between the Saskatchewan Rivers Development 
Association and the Prime Minister of Canada concerning the provision of full 
protection of Canada's rights to the use of the Columbia River waters in any 
agreement with the United States. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 68). 



On motion of Mr. Latulippe, seconded by Mr. Boutin, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House copies of any letters, telegrams, documents 
or other communications exchanged between the Minister of Agriculture, the 
employees of his Department or the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Develop- 
ment Administration (ARDA) and the ministers, employees or representatives 
of the Quebec Government on any matter relating to ARDA since the begin- 
ning of that program. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No 70). 



On motion of Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. Nielsen, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of the Order in Council removing 
Mr. Thomas Maher from the Chairmanship of the National Gallery, and a 
copy of all correspondence, letters and/or other messages that passed between 
the Secretary of State and Mr. Maher in regard thereto. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 71). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill for 
Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-72, An Act 
to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions to 
report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the 
House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representa- 
tion in accordance therewith, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Laniel, seconded by Mr. Pilon, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should consider the advisability of adopting com- 
pulsory service in this country for all men 18 to 21 years of age, the service 
duration to be approximately 12 months. — (Notice of Motion No. 2). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated July 15, 1963, (Question No. 491) showing: 1. 
What are the joint programmes at present being carried out by the federal 
government with one or more of the provinces? 

2. For each of such programmes, what is (a) the name or number of the 
Statute, Order in Council, regulation or other authority under which such 
programme is being carried out (b) the date of the adoption of such Statute, 
Order in Council, regulation or other authority (c) the sums of money 
expended for each such programme by the federal government since the com- 
mencement of the programme, giving the amount for each fiscal year? 

3. What further joint programmes does the government intend to carry 
out with one or more of the provinces during the current fiscal year? 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Board of Transport Commissioners for Canada for the year ended Decem- 
ber 31, 1963, pursuant to section 31 of the Railway Act, chapter 234, R.S.C. 
1952. 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report entitled: 
Private and Public Investment in Canada — Outlook 1964 and Regional Esti- 
mates. (English and French). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 12th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Budget White Paper 1964-65; Part I — General Economic Review of 
1963; Part II — Preliminary Review of Government Accounts 1963-64. (English 
and French). 

Ordered, — That the said Budget White Paper be published as an Appendix 
to this day's Votes and Proceedings. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate do unite with the House of Commons in the appointment of a Joint 
Committee of both Houses of Parliament to enquire into and report upon the 
problem of Consumer Credit, more particularly, but not so as to restrict the 
generality of the foregoing, to enquire into and report upon the operation of 
Canadian legislation in relation thereto; 

That twelve Members of the Senate to be designated by the Senate at a 
later date shall be members of the Joint Committee; 

That the minutes of proceedings and the evidence received and taken by the 
Joint Committee on Consumer Credit at the past session be referred to the 
said Committee and made part of the records thereof; 

That the said Committee shall have power to call for persons, papers and 
records and examine witnesses; to report from time to time and to print such 
papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the Committee; and 
to sit during sittings and adjournments of the Senate. 



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The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill for 
Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-72, An Act 
to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions to report 
upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the House 
of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representation in 
accordance therewith, be now read a second time. 



And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members 3 Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 15(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or documents 
exchanged between the Minister of Transport or any of the Officers of his 
Department and the President or any of the Officers or employees of Trans- 
Canada Air Lines concerning the purchase of a new medium-range aircraft 
by Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 18). 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
negatived, on division. 



The Order being read for resuming debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Caouette, — That an Order of the House do issue 
for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or documents exchanged between 
the Minister of Transport or any of the Officers of his Department and the 
President or any of the Officers or employees of Trans-Canada Air Lines 
concerning the total or partial construction of a new medium-range aircraft 
for Trans-Canada Air Lines. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 17). 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was negatived, on divi- 
sion. 



Mr. Bell, seconded by Mr. Winkler, moved, — That an Order of the House 
do issue for a copy of all letters, memoranda or directives made by the Min- 
ister and/or the Department of National Defence regarding the rounding up 
of arms and/or ammunition. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 53). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill for Mr. 
Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-72, An Act to pro- 
vide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions to report upon 
the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the House of Com- 
mons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representation in accordance 
therewith, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 12th MARCH 91 

At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate acquainting this House that the 
Senate doth agree to the Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen 
offering congratulations on the birth of a Prince, by filling up the blank spaces 
left therein with the words "Senate and". 



A Message was received from the Senate, as follows: 

Resolved, — That the following Address be engrossed and presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General, namely: 

To His Excellency General the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, Com- 
panion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred the 
Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

The Senate of Canada, in Parliament assembled, have 

agreed to an Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen offering con- 
gratulations to Her Majesty and His Royal Highness the Prince Philip on the 
birth of a Prince, and respectfully request that Your Excellency will be pleased 
to transmit the said Address to Her Majesty the Queen. 

Ordered, — That the Clerk do go down to the House of Commons and 
acquaint that House that the Senate have passed an Address to His Excellency 
the Governor General respectfully requesting that His Excellency 

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may be pleased to transmit the Joint Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty 
the Queen offering congratulations on the birth of a Prince, and request the 
House of Commons to unite with this House in the said Address. 

On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Diefenbaker, it was resolved, — 
That this House do concur in the Address of the Senate to His Excellency the 
Governor General, respectfully requesting that His Excellency may be pleased 
to transmit the Joint Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen offer- 
ing congratulations on the birth of a Prince; 

That the words "and Commons" be inserted in the said Address from the 
Senate; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate informing their Honours that this 
House doth unite with the Senate in the said Address. 



Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Report of the Bank of Canada, the Statement of Accounts certified by 
the Auditors, for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 27(3) 
of the Bank of Canada Act, chapter 13, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1953-54. 
(English and French). 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, 
it was ordered, — That the Budget White Paper 1964-65, laid before this House 
on Thursday, March 12, 1964, and published as an Appendix to that day's 
Votes and Proceedings, be also published as an Appendix to Hansard of Mon- 
day, March 16, 1964. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of Supply, and progress having 
been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again later this 
day. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



And after some time; 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day or at the next sitting of the House as the case may be. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 6 inclusive, having been called, were allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-ll, An Act to 
nmend the Criminal Code (A Purge for the King's-evil) ; 



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Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Under Standing Order 41, Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), moved, — That the House shall continue to sit this day until 10.00 
o'clock p.m. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to, on divi- 
sion. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day or at the next sitting of the House as the case may be. 



By leave, Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), moved, — 
That it be resolved by the House of Commons: 

That it is expedient that the Houses of Parliament do approve the partici- 
pation of Canadian Forces in the United Nations International Force in Cyprus, 
and that this House do approve the same. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Under Standing Order 41, Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), moved, — That this House do not adjourn at 10.00 o'clock p.m. this day 
but that the hour of adjournment be decided later. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to, on divi- 
sion. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That it be resolved by the ...-.: House 

of Commons: 

That it is expedient that the Houses of Parliament do approve the partici- 
pation of Canadian Forces in the United Nations International Force in Cyprus, 
and that this House do approve the same. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), it was 
ordered, — That a Message be sent to the Senate informing their Honours that 
this House has adopted a Resolution approving of the participation of Cana- 
dian Forces in the United Nations International Force in Cyprus, and request- 
ing their Honours to unite with this House in the approval of the same by filling 
up the blanks in the Resolution with the words: "Senate and". 



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A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-2, An Act respecting the Revised Statutes of Canada, 
to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-5, An Act respecting The General Council of the Canadian Branch 
of the St. John Ambulance Association. — Mr. Matheson. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-2, An Act respecting the Trans-Canada Air Lines 
Act, with the following amendments: 

1. Strike out clause 2 and substitute therefor the following: — 

"2. All property, rights, obligations and liabilities that existed, and any- 
thing done by or to Trans-Canada Air Lines before the coming into force of 
this Act shall be deemed to be property, rights, obligations and liabilities, 
and to have been done by or to or acquired or incurred by Air Canada." 

2. Immediately after clause 2, insert the following as clause 3: — 

"3. Paragraph (k) of subsection (1) of section 14 of the Trans-Canada Air 
Lines Act is repealed and the following substituted therefor: 

'(k) to use the words "Air Canada", "Trans-Canada Air Lines", 

"Lignes aeriennes Trans-Canada", or any abbreviation thereof, as a 

; b trade name, mark or designation for any purpose connected with the 

business of the Corporation, and no other person shall hereafter use any 

such name, mark or designation for any purpose.' " 

3. Renumber clause 3 as clause 4. 



Pursuant to order made this day, at 10.02 o'clock p.m., on motion of Mr. 
Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, the House adjourned until Monday next 
at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 16th MARCH, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate, as follows: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient that the Houses of Parliament do approve 
the participation of Canadian Forces in the United Nations International Force 
in Cyprus; 

That this House do approve the same; and 

That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to inform that House 
that the Senate have adopted the said resolution and have filled up the blanks 
therein with the words: "Senate and". 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-2, An Act respecting the Revised Statutes of Canada. — Mr. Favreau. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day or at the next sitting of the House as the case may be. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



Ordered, — That the hours of sitting for tomorrow, March 17, 1964, be from 
3.30 p.m. to 11.00 p.m. 




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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 

to Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of including men- 
tal hospitals and T.B. sanatoria in the federal hospital insurance program (Hos- 
pital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act) so that the provinces will have 
available sufficient funds to provide for adequate treatment of the mentally- 
ill, those people suffering from T.B., and the care and training of mentally- 
retarded children. — (Notice of Motion No. 3). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Order being read for the House to resolve itself into Committee of 
Ways and Means (Budget); 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair. 

And debate arising thereon, the said debate was, on motion of Mr. Nowlan, 
seconded by Mr. Monteith, adjourned. 



By unanimous consent, at 9.55 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until tomorrow at 3.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Order made this day. 



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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 17th MARCH, 1964. 






3.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Pugh and Willoughby be substituted for those of 
Messrs. Coates and Monteith on the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to establish the Canada Pension Plan. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a statement respecting the Canada Pension Plan — March, 1964. 
(English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said statement be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-5, An Act respect- 
ing The General Council of the Canadian Branch of the St. John Ambulance 
Association; 



100 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Leduc, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



(Public Bills) 

The amendments made by the Senate to Bill C-2, An Act respecting the 
Trans-Canada Air Lines Act, were read the second time and concurred in. 



Orders numbered 2 and 3 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-7, An Act to estab- 
lish the Office of Parliamentary Commissioner; 

Mr. Thompson, seconded by Mr. Marcoux moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Benidickson, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject-mat- 
ter thereof was referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elec- 
tions. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to establish the Canada Pension Plan. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure, to be known as 
the Canada Pension Plan, to establish a comprehensive program of old age 
pensions in Canada payable to contributors, and to provide, among other 
things, for the payment of retirement pensions beginning at any age between 
65 and 70 years; for the payment of pensions to surviving spouses beginning 
at any age from 65 years; for the progressive establishment of full pensions 
over an initial period of 10 years; for the co-ordination of pensions payable 
under the Old Age Security Act with pensions payable under the Canada Pen- 
sion Plan and for the payment of adjusted pensions under the Old Age Security 



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Act beginning at any age from 65 years; and to provide further that all expen- 
ditures under the Canada Pension Plan, including costs of administration, shall 
be financed from contributions by employees, employers and self-employed per- 
sons. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-75, An Act to establish a comprehensive program of old age pensions 
in Canada payable to contributors and survivors, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Board of Trustees of the Maritime Transportation Unions for the period October 
23 to December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 16 of the Maritime Transportation 
Unions Trustees Act, chapter 17, Statutes of Canada, 1963. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, 
of Wednesday, March 11, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, 
chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



By unanimous consent, at 10.47 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 18th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
subject-matter of Bill S-3, An Act to make Provision for the Disclosure of Finance 
Charges, had been referred by that House to the Joint Committee on Consumer 
Credit. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Scott be substituted for that of Mr. Brewin on the Standing 
Committee on External Affairs. 



Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Caouette, moved, — That, in view of the 
unacceptable actions of the Deputy Speaker, the honourable Member for Stor- 
mont, during the sitting on Friday, March 13, 1964, from 8.00 to 10.00 p.m. 

(1) In transgressing a Standing Order of the House which requires that 
unanimous consent be given to waive the obligation for two days' notice of the 
presentation of a resolution prescribed by Standing Order 41; 

(2) In transgressing Standing Order 42 of the House which requires that 
the Member who presents a motion of urgency, with the unanimous consent of 
the House, without notice thereof as required in Standing Order 41, must 
previously explain the urgency of the same; and 

(3) In depriving certain Members of the House of a right and privilege 
recognized by Standing Orders; 

For these reasons, be it resolved that the Deputy Speaker no longer has the 
confidence of this House. 

And debate arising thereon; 

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104 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins) , proposed to move in 
amendment thereto, — That the last line of the resolution be amended by striking 
out all the words following the words "be it resolved that", and substituting 
the words "this House regrets that it did not take action to uphold the rules 
of Parliament to preserve the rights of each Member". 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker ruled the proposed amendment out of order on the grounds 
that it must be relevant to the question and must be so framed that if it were 
agreed to by the House the question as amended would be intelligible and 
consistent with itself. 

And debate continuing on the main motion; the said debate was interrupted. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Alkenbrack, seconded by Mr. Paul, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of acquiring the 
title to the historic residence of this Nation's first Prime Minister, the Right 
Honourable Sir John A. MacDonald, the same being the property known as 
35 Centre Street, in the City of Kingston, Ontario. — (Notice of Motion No. 4). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of February, 1964. 



■ At 6.01 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 23 



JOURNALS 

OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 19th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Two petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-9, An Act respecting Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation. — 
Mr. Wahn. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
following Senators have been appointed to act on behalf of the Senate on the 
Joint Committee of the Senate and House of Commons to enquire into and 
report upon the problem of Consumer Credit, namely, the Honourable Sena- 
tors Bouffard, Croll, Gershaw, Hollett, Irvine, Lang, McGrand, Robertson, 
(Kenora-Rainy River), Smith ( Queens- Shelburne), Stambaugh, ThorvaldsOn 
and Vaillancourt. 

Mr. Matheson, from the Standing Committee on External Affairs, pre- 
sented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto. 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



2. That it be granted leave to sit while the House is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. 
Davis, the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a Report by the Joint Committee on Community Antenna 
Television by the Board of Broadcast Governors and the Department of Trans- 
port to the Minister of Transport and the Secretary of State. (English and 
French). 

By unanimous consent it was ordered that the said Report be printed as 
an Appendix to this day's Hansard. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gregoire, 
seconded by Mr. Caouette, — That, in view of the unacceptable actions of the 
Deputy Speaker, the honourable Member for Stormont, during the sitting on 
Friday, March 13, 1964, from 8.00 to 10.00 p.m. 

(1) In transgressing a Standing Order of the House which requires that 
unanimous consent be given to waive the obligation for two days' notice of the 
presentation of a resolution prescribed by Standing Order 41; 

(2) In transgressing Standing Order 42 of the House which requires that 
the Member who presents a motion of urgency, with the unanimous consent of 
the House, without notice thereof as required in Standing Order 41, must 
previously explain the urgency of the same; and 

(3) In depriving certain Members of the House of a right and privilege 
recognized by Standing Orders; 

For these reasons, be it resolved that the Deputy Speaker no longer has the 
confidence of this House. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Beaule, 


Gauthier, 


Laprise, 


Perron, 


Boutin, 


Gregoire, 


Latulippe, 


Plourde, 


Caouette, 




Nays 
Messrs: 


Rondeau — 10, 


Aiken, 


Bell, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


- Churchill, 


Alkenbrack, 


Benidickson, 


Cowichan-The 


Clancy, 


Armstrong, 


Benson, 


Islands), 


Coates, 


Asselin 


Berger, 


Cantelon, 


Cooper, 


(Richmond-Wolfe) 


, Bigg, 


Cantin, 


Cowan, 


Badanai, 


Blouin, 


Cardiff, 


Crossman, 


Balcer, 


Boulanger, 


Cardin, 


Cyr, 


Baldwin, 


Brown, 


Caron, 


Davis, 


Barnett, 


Byrne, 


Carter, 


Deachman, 


Basford, 


Cadieu, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Deschatelets, 


Batten, 


Cadieux, 


Chapdelaine, 


Diefenbaker, 


Bechard, 


Cameron 


Chatterton, 


Dinsdale, 


Beer, 


(High Park), 


Chretien, 


Doucett, 



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Douglas, 

Drury, 

Dube, 

Dupuis, 

l-Cmard, 

Eudes, 

Fane, 

Favreau, 

Fisher, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 

Revelstoke), 
Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Forbes, 
Forest, 
Forgie, 
Foy, 
Francis, 
Frenette, 
Gelber, 
Gendron, 
Godin, 
Gordon, 
Grafftey, 
Granger, 
Gray, 
Greene, 
Groos, 
Guay, 
Gundlock, 
Habel, 
Hahn, 
Haidasz, 
Hales, 
Harkness, 
Harley, 
Hellyer, 
Herridge, 
Horner (Acadia), 
Horner 

(The Battlefords), 
Howard, 



Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 

Jewett (Miss), 

Jorgenson, 

Kennedy, 

Klein, 

Knowles, 

Konantz (Mrs.), 

Korchinski, 

LaMarsh (Miss), 

Lamb, 

Lambert, 

Lamontagne, 

Laverdiere, 

Leblanc, 

Leboe, 

Leduc, 

Lessard 

(Lac-Saint-Jean) , 

Lessard (St. Henri), 

Lloyd, 

Loiselle, 

Loney, 

Macaluso, 

Macdonald, 

MacEachen, 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis, 

Mackasey, 

MacLean (Queens), 

MacNaught, 

Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

McCutcheon, 

Mcllraith, 

Mcintosh, 

McLean (Charlotte) . 

McWilliam, 

Madill, 

Mandziuk, 

Marcoux, 



Martin (Essex East) 

Martineau, 

Mather, 

Matheson, 

Matte, 

Millar, 

Mitchell, 

Monteith, 

Moore, 

More, 

Moreau, 

Morison, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria) , 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Mullally, 
Munro, 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nicholson, 
Nielsen, 
Nowlan, 
Nugent, 
O'Keefe, 
Olson, 
Orlikow, 
Ormiston, 
Ouellet, 
Pascoe, 
Patterson, 
Paul, 
Pearson, 
Pepin, 
Pickersgill, 
Pigeon, 
Pilon, 

Prud'homme, 
Pugh, 
Rapp, 
Regan, 
Rheaume, 



Ricard, 

Richard, 

Rideout, 

Rinfret, 

Robichaud, 

Rock, 

Rouleau, 

Roxburgh, 

Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Sauve, 

Scott, 

Sharp, 

Simpson, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Smith, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Stewart, 

Tardif, 

Teillet, 

Temple, 

Thomas, 

Tremblay, 

Tucker, 

Turner, 

Wahn, 

Walker, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Watson 

(Chateauguay- 

Huntingdon- 

Laprairie), 
Webb, 
Webster, 
Whelan, 
Winch, 
Winkler— 206. 



Mr. Caouette, seconded by Mr. Gregoire, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-76, An Act to amend the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, with 
respect to Representation of the Provinces in the Senate and Qualifications of 
Senators, which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Marcoux, seconded by Mr. Frenette, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-77, An Act respecting the Department of Foreign Affairs, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 

The House resumed the adjourned debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Gordon, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the 
Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means 
(Budget). 



And debate continuing; 



108 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

[IV otices of Motions (Papers)] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Bell, seconded 
by Mr. Winkler, — That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all letters, 
memoranda or directives made by the Minister and/or the Department of 
National Defence regarding the rounding up of arms and/or ammunition. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 53). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" be deleted and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"this House regrets that the Government has failed to take any effective 
action to control increasing expenditures and its failure so to do, despite 
increased taxation imposed at the last session, has resulted in a substantial 
deficit." 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), seconded by Mr. Knowles, 
moved in amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That the amendment 
be amended by deleting therefrom all the words after the words "any effective 
action to" and by substituting therefor the following words: 

"reduce defence expenditures so as to provide substantial savings which 
could be used for economic development in Canada and for increased aid to 
developing countries through the United Nations and its specialized agencies." 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report to 
Parliament of the Civil Service Commission on Exclusions from the Civil 
Service Act and Appointments made under section 25 of the Act, May 1, 1963 
to January 31, 1964, pursuant to section 76(2) of the said Act, chapter 57, Sta- 
tutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated March 4, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of any contract or agreement 
or correspondence and memoranda constituting such contract or agreement 



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between the Government of the United States or the Government of the 
State of Alaska or any agent or agency of either and the Government of 
Canada or the Government of the Yukon Territory or any agent or agency of 
either with respect to the maintenance of the Canadian section of the road 
from Haines Junction in the Yukon to Haines in Alaska during the winter of 
1963-64. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 12). 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Copies of Diplomatic Instruments (English and French) as follows: 

(1) Supplementary Agreement to the Agreement between the Government 
of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Italy concerning the Sale in 
Italy of Waste Material and Scrap belonging to the Royal Canadian Air Force, 
Signed at Rome, September 18, 1963. 

(2) Protocol amending the Interim Convention on Conservation of North 
Pacific Fur Seals. Signed at Washington, October 8, 1963. 

(3) Exchange of Notes between Canada and Denmark concerning Air 
Traffic Control over Southern Greenland. Signed at Ottawa, December 16 and 
November 28, 1963. In force, November 28, 1963. 

(4) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the United States of America 
amending the Agreement of May 5, 1961, concerning the Co-ordination of 
Pilotage Services in the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence River, as amended 
February 21 and September 10, 1963. Signed at Washington, November 19 and 
December 4, 1963. In force, December 4, 1963. 

(5) Exchange of Notes between the Government of Canada and the Gov- 
ernment of the United States of America on Measures to ensure the Orderly, 
Efficient and Safe Control of Aircraft operating in the Air Space near the 
Common Boundary of Canada and the United States of America. Signed at 
Ottawa, December 20 and 27, 1963. In force, December 27, 1963. 

(6) Exchange of Notes between Canada and the United States of America 
concerning the reimposition of Tolls on the Welland Canal. Signed at Ottawa, 
December 19 and 20, 1963. In force, December 20, 1963. 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
Park Steamship Company Limited for the year ended December 31, 1963, 
certified by the Auditor General, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 20th MARCH, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that 
the Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of 
this House is desired: 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting The General Accident Assurance Com- 
pany of Canada. — Mr. Wahn. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Stand- 
ing Order 103(2). 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had received a communica- 
tion notifying him that a vacancy had occurred in the representation, 
namely: 

Henry Frank Jones, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of 
Saskatoon, by decease. 

And that he had addressed his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer 
for the issue of a new Writ of Election for the said Electoral District. 



ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF SASKATOON 

Dominion of Canada) TT , _ 

T w -.l. r House of Commons 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

We, the undersigned, hereby give notice, in pursuance of section ten of 
the House of Commons Act, that a vacancy hath occurred in the representation 



112 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

in the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Saskatoon in the Prov- 
ince of Saskatchewan, by reason of the death of Henry Frank Jones, the 
Member therefor. 

Given under Our Hands and Seals, at the City of Ottawa, this nineteenth 
day of March, 1964. 

KEN. MORE (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of Regina City. 

R. R. SOUTHAM (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of Mocse Mountain. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the Special Committee on Procedure and Organization of the House of Com- 
mons, appointed March 9, 1964, be composed of Mr. Speaker and Messrs. Aiken, 
Balcer, Baldwin, Fairweather, Gregoire, Jewett (Miss), Knowles, Lachance, 
Lambert, Lamoureux, MacEachen, Olson, Rouleau, and Walker. — 15. 



Mr. Marcoux, seconded by Mr. Ouellet, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-78, An Act to amend An Act to amend the Senate and House of Commons 
Act and the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Mandziuk, seconded by Mr. MacEwan, by leave of the House, intro- 
duced Bill C-79, An Act to amend the Railway Act (Refusal of Abandonment), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, in 
amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the fol- 
lowing substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets that the Government has failed to take any effective 
action to control increasing expenditures and its failure so to do, despite 
increased taxation imposed at the last session, has resulted in a substantial 
deficit." 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The 
Islands), seconded by Mr. Knowles, in amendment to the said proposed amend- 
ment, — That the amendment be amended by deleting therefrom all the words 
after the words "any effective action to" and by substituting therefor the fol- 
lowing words: 

"reduce defence expenditures so as to provide substantial savings which 
could be used for economic development in Canada and for increased aid to 
developing countries through the United Nations and its specialized agencies." 

And debate continuing; at 4.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 58(4); 



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' And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the amend- 
ment; it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 
Messrs: 



Barnett, 


Caouette, 


Laprise, 


Plourde, 


Beaule, 


Fisher, 


Mather, 


Prittie, 


Boutin, 


Gauthier, 


Orlikow, 


Rondeau, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


■ Herridge, 


Perron, 


Scott, 


Cowichan-The 


Knowles, 


Peters, 


Webster, 


Islands), 






Winch— 20. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Addison, 


Dupuis, 


Leduc, 


Patterson, 


Aiken, 


Emard, 


Lessard 


Paul, 


Alkenback, 


Enns, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean) , 


Pennell, 


Armstrong, 


Fane, 


Lessard 


Pepin, 


Asselin 


Favreau, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Pickersgill, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Fleming (Okanagan 


- Loiselle, 


Pigeon, 


de-Grace) , 


Revelstoke), 


Loney, 


Pilon, 


Asselin 


Flemming (Victoria- 


- Macaluso, 


Prud'homme, 


(Richmond-Wolfe). 


Carleton), 


Macdonald, 


Pugh, 


Badanai, 


Forbes, 


MacEwan, 


Rapp, 


Baldwin, 


Forest, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Regan, 


Basford, 


Forgie, 


MacNaught, 


Rheaume, 


Bechard, 


Foy, 


Macquarrie, 


Ricard, 


Beer, 


Francis, 


MacRae, 


Richard, 


Bell, 


Frenette, 


McBain, 


Rideout, 


Benidickson, 


Gelber, 


Mcllraith, 


Rinfret, 


Benson, 


Gendron, 


Mcintosh, 


Robichaud, 


Berger, 


Girouard, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Rochon, 


Bigg, 


Godin, 


McWilliam, 


Rock, 


Blouin, 


Gordon, 


Mandziuk, 


Rouleau, 


Boulanger, 


Granger, 


Marcoux, 


Roxburgh, 


Byrne, 


Gray, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Ryan, 


Cadieu, 


Groos, 


Martineau, 


Sharp, 


Cadieux, 


Guay, 


Matheson, 


Simpson, 


Cameron 


Gundlock, 


Matte, 


Skoreyko, 


(High Park), 


Habel, 


Monteith, 


Slogan, 


Cantelon, 


Hahn, 


Moore, 


Smallwood, 


Cardiff, 


Haidasz, 


More, 


Southam, 


Cardin, 


Harkness, 


Moreau, 


Starr, 


Caron, 


Harley, 


Morison, 


Stefanson, 


Carter, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Stenson, 


Casselman (Mrs.). 


Horner 


North and 


Stewart, 


Chatterton, 


(The Battlefords), 


Victoria) , 


Tardif, 


Chretien, 


Howard, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Teillet, 


Churchill, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Mullally, 


Temple, 


Clancy, 


Jorgenson, 


Munro, 


Thomas, 


Coates, 


Kelly, 


Nasserden, 


Tucker, 


Cooper, 


Kennedy, 


Nesbitt, 


Turner, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Klein, 


Nielsen, 


Vincent, 


Cowan, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Nixon, 


Wahn, 


Crossman, 


Korchinski, 


Nowlan, 


Walker, 


Cyr, 


Lachance, 


Nugent, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Deachman, 


Laing, 


O'Keefe, 


Watson 


Deschatelets, 


Lambert, 


Olson, 


(Chateauguay- 


Diefenbaker, 


Lamontagne, 


Ormiston, 


Huntingdon- 


Dinsdale, 


Lamoureux, 


Otto, 


Laprairie) , 


Doucett, 


Laniel, 


Ouellet, 


Webb, 


Drury, 


Laverdiere, 


Pascoe, 


Whelan, 


Dube, 






Winkler— 180, 



114 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

{Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-8, An Act to amend 
the Broadcasting Act (Disclosure of CBC service programme, cost, and esti- 
mates for 5 years); 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Winch, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Polymer 
Corporation Limited, including its Accounts and Financial Statement certified 
by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to 
sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

Second Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7), as follows: — 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on March 19, 1964, meet the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

Allstate Insurance Company of Canada, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, 
for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, 
in the transaction of its business, either the name "Allstate Insurance Com- 
pany of Canada" and/or "Allstate du Canada, Compagnie d'Assurance". — 
Mr. Ryan. 

The Quebec Board of Trade and/or Le Bureau de Commerce de Quebec, of 
the City of Quebec, Quebec, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation author- 
izing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, either the name 
"Board of Trade of Metropolitan Quebec" and/or "Chambre de Commerce du 
Quebec Metropolitain", and for other purposes. — Mr. Cantin. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 23rd MARCH, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Marcoux, seconded by Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint-Jean), by leave of the 
House, introduced Bill C-80, An Act to amend the Senate and House of Com- 
mons Act (Allowance to leaders), which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Foy, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-81, An Act to amend the Family Allowances Act and the Old Age Security 
Act (Charitable Gifts), which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 172 — Mr. Matheson 

What studies have been or are being conducted by the government with 
respect to the effects of insecticides upon human, animal and vegetable life? 

Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget) : 



116 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, in 
amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the fol- 
lowing substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets that the Government has failed to take any effective 
action to control increasing expenditures and its failure so to do, despite 
increased taxation imposed at the last session, has resulted in a substantia] 

deficit." 

■ ■ 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)1 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Graff tey, seconded by Mr. Pigeon, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of the immediate 
establishment of a Secretariat for Federal-Provincial Relations or a similar 
institution. — (Notice of Motion No. 6). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget), and on the pro- 
posed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, in amendment thereto. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated March 4, 1964, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
copies of all correspondence, letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged 
between the federal government and the Government of New Brunswick, City 
of Saint John, and any other organizations or bodies in the said Province on 
the subject of financial assistance for provincial cultural centres in connection 
with centennial planning. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 14). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 26 

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OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 24th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Two petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had received a communication 
notifying him that a vacancy had occurred in the representation, namely: 

The Honourable John Richard Garland, Member for the Electoral District 
of Nipissing, by decease. 

And that he had addressed his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for 
the issue of a new Writ of Election for the said Electoral District. 



ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF NIPISSING 

Dominion of Canada) Houge f Commons 

To Wit: J 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

We, the undersigned, hereby give notice, in pursuance of section ten of 
the House of Commons Act, that a vacancy hath occurred in the representation 
in the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Nipissing in the Prov- 
ince of Ontario, by reason of the death of the Honourable John Richard Gar- 
land, the Member therefor. 



118 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Given under Our Hands and Seals, at the City of Ottawa, this 23rd day 
of March, 1964. 

GORDON AIKEN (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of Parry Sound-Muskoka. 

HEBER SMITH (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of Simcoe North. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Caron, it was ordered, — 
That the Members of the House of Commons on the Joint Committee of the 
Senate and House of Commons to enquire into and report upon the problem of 
Consumer Credit be Messrs. Bell, Cashin, Chretien, Clancy, Coates, Cote (Lon- 
gueuil), Crossman, Deachman, Drouin, Greene, Gregoire, Hales, Jewett (Miss), 
Macdonald, Mandziuk, Marcoux, Matte, McCutcheon, Nasserden, Orlikow, Pen- 
nell, Ryan, Scott and Vincent; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Caron, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Brewin be substituted for that of Mr. Scott on the Standing 
Committee on External Affairs. 



Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Mather, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-82, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Human Rights and Fundamental 
Freedoms Preserved), which was read the first time and ordered for a second 
reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, sec- 
onded by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the 
House to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget), and on 
the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, in amendment 
thereto. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) ] 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-9, An Act respecting Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation, was 
read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Banking and 
Commerce. 



Bill S-8, An Act respecting The General Accident Assurance Company of 
Canada, was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce. 



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TUESDAY, 24th MARCH 



119 



(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 inclusive, having been called, were allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-12, An Act to 
amend the Criminal Code (Capital Punishment); 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Prittie, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget), 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Nowlan, seconded by Mr. Dinsdale, in 
amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the fol- 
lowing substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets that the Government has failed to take any effective 
action to control increasing expenditures and its failure so to do, despite 
increased taxation imposed at the last session, has resulted in a substantial 
deficit." 

And debate continuing; at 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 58(5); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was nega- 
tived on the following Division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Alkenbrack, 

Balcer, 

Baldwin, 

Bell, 

Bigg, 

Cantelon, 

Cardiff, 

Casselman (Mrs.) 

Chatterton, 

Churchill, 

Clancy, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dinsdale, 

Doucett, 

Enns, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 



Fleming (Okanagan- 
Revelstoke), 

Flemming ( Victor ia- 
Carleton), 

Forbes, 

Grafftey, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Harkness, 

Horner 

(The Battlefords) : 

Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 

Irvine, 

Kennedy, 

Korchinski, 

Lamb, 

Lambert, 

Loney, 

MacEwan, 

Maclnnis, 

MacLean (Queens), 



Macquarrie, 

MacRae, 

McBain, 

Madill, 

Mandziuk, 

Martineau, 

Millar, 

Moore, 

More, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and 

Victoria) , 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Nasserden, 
Nesbitt, 
Nielsen, 
Noble, 
Nowlan, 
Nugent, 
Ormiston, 
Pascoe, 
Pigeon, 



Pugh, 

Rapp, 

Rheaume, 

Ricard, 

Rynard, 

Simpson, 

Skoreyko, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Smith, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Thomas, 

Valade, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Willoughby, 

Winkler— 80. 



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13 ELIZABETH II 







Nays 








Messrs: 




Addison, 


Douglas, 


Laniel, 


Pepin, 


Armstrong, 


Drury, 


Laprise, 


Perron, 


Asselin (Notre- 


Dube, 


Latulippe, 


Peters, 


Dame-de-Grace), 


Dupuis, 


Laverdiere, 


Pickersgill, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Emard, 


Leblanc, 


Pilon, 


Wolfe), 


Favreau, 


Leboe, 


Plourde, 


Badanai, 


Fisher, 


Leduc, 


Prittie, 


Barnett, 


Forest, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Prud'homme, 


Basford, 


Francis, 


Jean), 


Regan, 


Batten, 


Frenette, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Richard, 


Beaule, 


Gauthier, 


Henri), 


Rideout, 


Bechard, 


Gelber, 


Lloyd, 


Rinfret, 


Beer, 


Gendron, 


Loiselle, 


Robichaud, 


Belanger, 


Godin, 


Macaluso, 


Rochon, 


Benidickson, 


Gordon, 


Macdonald, 


Rock, 


Benson, 


Granger, 


MacEachen, 


Rondeau, 


Berger, 


Gray, 


Mackasey, 


Rouleau, 


Blouin, 


Greene, 


MacNaught, 


Roxburgh, 


Boutin, 


Gregoire, 


Mcllraith, 


Ryan, 


Brewin, 


Groos, 


McLean (Charlotte; 


), Scott, 


Brown, 


Guay, 


McNulty, 


Sharp, 


Byrne, 


Habel, 


McWilliam, 


Stewart, 


Cadieux, 


Hahn, 


Marcoux, 


Tardif, 


Cameron (High 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Teillet, 


Park) , 


Harley, 


Mather, 


Temple, 


Cameron (Nanaimo 


Hays, 


Matheson, 


Thompson, 


Cowichan-The 


Hellyer, 


Matte, 


Tremblay, 


Islands), 


Herridge, 


Mitchell, 


Tucker, 


Cantin, 


Howard, 


Moreau, 


Turner, 


Caouette, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Morison, 


Wahn, 


Caron, 


South) , 


Mullally, 


Walker, 


Carter, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Munro, 


Watson 


Chapdelaine, 


Klein, 


Nicholson, 


(Chateauguay 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Knowles, 


Nixon, 


Huntingdon- 


Cowan, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


O'Keefe, 


Laprairie), 


Crossman, 


Lachance, 


Olson, 


Webster, 


Cyr, 


Laing, 


Orlikow, 


Whelan, 


Davis, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Otto, 


Winch— 150. 


Deachman, 


Lamontagne, 


Ouellet, 




Deschatelets, 


Lamoureux, 


Patterson, 




Dionne, 


Langlois, 


Pennell, 





Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report, dated 
February 26, 1964, of the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, under the 
Combines Investigation Act, on the Production, Distribution and Supply of 
Newspapers in the Sudbury-Copper Cliff Area. (English and French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
Expenditures and Administration in connection with the Unemployment Assist- 
ance Act for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 9 of the said 
Act, chapter 26, Statutes of Canada, 1956. (English and French). 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 24th MARCH 121 

By Miss LaMarsh, — Report on the Administration of the Fitness and Ama- 
teur Sport Act, for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 13 of the 
said Act, chapter 59, Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, — "Data from Radiation Protection Programs", Volume 2, 
No. 2, February, 1964. (English and French). 

By Mr. Nicholson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation, together with a Statement of 
its Accounts certified by the Auditors, for the year ended December 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 33 of the Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation Act, 
chapter 46, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 25th MARCH 123 

No. 27 

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OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 25th MARCH, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker presented the First Report of the Special Committee on 
Procedure and Organization, which is as follows: 

1. Your Committee was established by resolution of the House on Monday, 
March 9, 1964, to continue with Mr. Speaker the consideration of procedure 
and organization begun by a similar Special Committee set up at the last 
session. The earlier Committee had recommended in its Report made to the 
House on Thursday, December 19, 1963, that it be "reconstituted without 
further debate at the earliest possible moment during the next session so 
that there will be no undue delay in the pursuit of its important objectives". 
Your Committee therefore noted with satisfaction that its establishment was 
forecast in the Speech from the Throne for this second session of the Twenty- 
sixth Parliament and that it was the first Special Committee to be set up 
during the session. 

2. By resolution of the House on Friday, March 20, 1964, the following 
Members were appointed to the Committee: Mr. Speaker, Miss Jewett, Messrs. 
Aiken, Balcer, Baldwin, Fairweather, Gregoire, Knowles, Lachance, Lambert, 
Lamoureux, MacEachen, Olson, Rouleau and Walker. 

3. An organization meeting of your Committee was held on Monday, 
March 23, 1964 — the first sitting day following the appointment of its mem- 
bership — to consider the best course to be followed in reaching its broad 
objectives. At that meeting, Committee members were provided with the fol- 
lowing documents: 

(a) Memorandum on Some Features of Interest in the Procedures and 
Organization of the British House of Commons; 

(b) Memorandum on Some Features of Interest in the Procedures and 
Organization of the French Parliament; 



124 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

(c) Memorandum summarizing the observations of the honourable Mem- 
ber for Red Deer (Mr. Thompson) on the Parliaments of Australia 
and New Zealand. 

4. Members of your Committee were also provided with a memorandum 
summarizing the various specific suggestions made by Members during the 
debates to establish your Committee (March 9, 1964) and its predecessor 
(October 18 and 23, 1963), as well as suggestions made by the Right Honour- 
able the Prime Minister (Mr. Pearson) and the Right Honourable the Leader 
of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker) during the Throne Speech Debate for 
the current session. In that connection, Mr. Speaker voiced his gratification 
that leaders and spokesmen of all groups had expressed their unqualified sup- 
port for the aims and objectives of the Committee and had pledged their 
fullest co-operation in bringing about changes that would, in the words of 
the Right Honourable the Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker) "make 
Parliament more effective than it has ever been before." 

5. Mr. Speaker noted that in the debates referred to above, no less than 
thirty concrete suggestions for change were made — the majority by the party 
leaders themselves. He emphasized the degree of unanimity among the various 
groups on a number of the suggestions that had been advanced and suggested 
that the Committee might wish to pursue further the proposal made by the 
honourable Member for Burnaby-Coquitlam (Mr. Douglas) that, on those 
suggestions capable of ready agreement, an interim report might be made on 
which "the House could act fairly soon, the broader questions being left to 
the Committee to report on in its final report". If it were the wish of the 
House, such proposals could be adopted on a trial basis for the balance of the 
current session. 

6. Any such interim proposals that might be adopted would cover only 
fragments of the many broad areas your Committee has been charged to ex- 
amine. The long term task of the Committee will involve the detailed and 
systematic consideration of many specific questions in the three general fields 
of "Procedure", "Organization" and what, for want of a better term, we have 
labelled "Establishment". To that end, on motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by 
Mr. Olson, it was agreed to set up three Subcommittees, or working groups, to 
be chaired by Miss Jewett, Mr. Knowles and Mr. Lambert, as follows: 

Procedure Organization Establishment 

Mr. Knowles (Chairman) Mr. Lambert Miss Jewett (Chairman) 

Mr. Aiken (Chairman) Mr. Fairweather 

Mr. Baldwin Mr. Balcer Mr. Lachance 

Mr. Gregoire Mr. Rouleau Mr. Olson 

Mr. Lamoureux Mr. Walker 

Mr. MacEachen 

7. Since it was felt by some members of the Committee that the immediate 
introduction of, say, six, seven or eight quite possibly unrelated changes in 
the rules of the House might produce a patchwork effect, the Subcommittee 
on Procedure was asked to give priority of consideration to the desirability 
of proceeding with the suggestion that a number of agreed revisions might 
be recommended to the House for adoption on a trial basis before the compre- 
hensive analysis of procedure had been completed. 

8. It was unanimously agreed that the Subcommittees should meet at 
least once weekly and make regular reports to the full Committee so that all 
members of your Committee would be aware of what was being discussed in 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 25th MARCH 125 

all three areas of interest and so that each Member would have an opportunity 
to contribute views on those subjects outside the consideration of his or her 
particular subcommittee. To that end, it was agreed that there would be a 
regular meeting of the full Committee every Wednesday at 1 p.m. 

9. For the general guidance of the three subcommittees, the Chairman 
suggested a number of topics for consideration. The list which follows is not 
intended to be exhaustive but merely illustrative of the subject areas requiring 
examination: 

PROCEDURE (Mr. Knowles) 

1. Routine Proceedings 

2. Public Bills 

3. Motions for the Production of Papers 

4. Questions — Oral and Written 

5. Grievances — Daily Adjournment Debate? 

6. Questions of Privilege 

7. Points of Order 

8. Financial Procedure — Estimates 

— Supply Motions 

9. Duration of Debate 

10. Government Bills — time limits 

— debate on Resolution stage? 
— initiation of more bills 
in the Senate. 

11. Length of Sessions and Organization of Business 

12. Hours of Sitting 

13. Attendance — daily roll call? 

14. Emergency situations 

15. Parliamentary Reference Books. 

ORGANIZATION (Mr. Lambert) 

1. The Speakership 

— terms, conditions, perquisites and precedence of the Office 
— question of a permanent Speaker 
— abolition of appeals 

2. Complete review of Committees — their size, structure and functions 

3. Voting Procedure in the House (Divisions) 

4. The Press (Press Gallery, TV, Radio) 

5. The Whips — their duties and functions 

6. Accommodation 

7. Possibility of Combining Common Services of the Senate and House of 
Commons — e.g. — Barber-shop, post-office. 

8. Physical arrangements in the Chamber 

9. Restaurant and Refreshment Facilities 

10. Simultaneous Translation in Committees 

11. Bilingual Editions of House of Commons Publications 

12. Review of adequacy of Parliamentary papers 

— Votes and Proceedings, Orders of the Day, etc. 
— Need for a Weekly Summary 

13. Provision for automatic review of all legislation at stated intervals to 
evaluate performance and to determine whether Parliament's intent 
has in fact been carried out. 

14. Members' perquisites — e.g. — automobile transportation 

15. Review of letterhead and other stationery supplies for Members and 
Officers of the House. 

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126 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

ESTABLISHMENT (Miss Jewett) 

1. Speaker's Establishment — staffing of the House 

2. Commissioners of Internal Economy 

3. Research Facilities for Members 

4. Interparliamentary Groups 

5. Public Relations (tourists, pamphlets, films, etc.) 

6. Training Courses for Members. 

10. The question of the need for and desirability of an Ombudsman in 
Canada had originally been included among those subjects for consideration 
by the Subcommittee on the "Establishment". However, your Committee 
notes that the subject matter of a private Member's bill on this question has 
already been referred to another committee, the Committee on Privileges and 
Elections. We would, therefore, be pleased to make available to that Committee 
any literature on the subject already collected on our behalf. 

11. Your Committee agreed that its quorum would be eight, including Mr. 
Speaker. 

12. It was agreed that your Committee has no real requirement for a steer- 
ing committee. The Chairman will discuss those matters normally taken up with 
a steering committee with the chairman of the three subcommittees and with 
Mr. Olson and Mr. Gregoire to ensure that the views of all groups are taken into 
account. 

13. Your Committee discussed the desirability of holding some public meet- 
ings for the purpose of hearing the views of well-known authorities on parlia- 
mentary practice, including former parliamentarians, senior officials, professors 
of political science and legislators from other jurisdictions. This question had 
been discussed by the Committee on Procedure and Organization set up at the 
last session which also considered that useful presentations might be made by 
private Members of Parliament, businessmen, representatives of the press and 
members of the general public. Like its predecessor, your Committee has 
reserved this matter for later decision. 

14. Finally, your Committee noted that in certain areas of its work some 
research assistance might be necessary. In that connection, the Chairman noted 
that the Speaker's Estimates for 1964-65 contain a special item for the work 
of this Committee and that essential research projects for the Committee could 
be commissioned and paid for out of that vote. 



By agreement it was ordered, — That on Thursday, March 26, 1964, the 
House shall sit from 11.00 to 1.00 p.m. and 2.30 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. 



Mr Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House,— Order in Council P.C. 1964-389, dated March 14, 1964, relating to the 
Canadian military contribution to the United Nations peace-keeping force in 
Cyprus. 



Mr. Ormiston, seconded by Mr. Pascoe, by leave of the House introduced, 
on division, Bill C-83, An Act to adopt a National Flag (Canadian Red Ensign), 
which was read the first time, on division, and ordered for a second reading 
at the next sitting of the House. 



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The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That a Joint Committee of the Senate and House of Commons be appointed 
to consider Bill C-75 to establish a comprehensive program of old age pensions 
in Canada payable to contributors and survivors (the Canada Pension Plan); 

That twenty-four Members of the House of Commons, to be designated by 
the House at a later date, be members of the Joint Committee, and that Stand- 
ing Order 67(1) of the House of Commons be suspended in relation thereto; 

That the said Committee have power to call for persons, papers and records 
and examine witnesses; and to report from time to time and to print such papers 
and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the Committee and that 
Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation thereto; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate requesting that House to unite with 
this House for the above purpose, and to select, if the Senate deems it advis- 
able, some of its members to act on the proposed Joint Committee. — The 
Minister of National Health and Welfare. 



On motion of Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of "Government Contract Regula- 
tions" together with any other documents relating to the "awarding" of con- 
tracts by the government for the supply of goods and/or services to the govern- 
ment. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 6). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 9, 10, 21, 22, 29 to 
52, 57, 59, 60, 63, 66, 69, 75, 76, 78 to 81, and 84 having been called were 
allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Howe (Wellington-Huron), seconded by Mr. McBain, it 
was resolved, — That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying 
that he will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams and 
other correspondence exchanged between the C.B.C., individuals and organiza- 
tions, in connection with the conversion of the Toronto radio station CJBC 
from English speaking to French speaking. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 13). 



On motion of Mr. Hales for Mr. Chaplin, seconded by Mr. McBain, it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all leases, agree- 
ments to lease, letters of intent to lease or other similar documents, dated 
since the 22nd day of April, 1963, relating to the occupancy by the Govern- 
ment of Canada of space in the proposed Bourque Memorial Building in the 
City of Ottawa, together with a copy of all correspondence, briefs or other 
documents exchanged since the said date between the Minister of Public Works 
or any of the officers of that Department and the owners of the said building 
or anyone acting or purporting to act on their behalf. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 25). 

Mr. McWilliam, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Public Works, 
presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

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On motion of Mr. Hales for Mr. Weichel, seconded by Mr. McBain, it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams, letters, 
representations and briefs made to any member of the government between 
April 12, 1963, and the date hereof regarding the setting up or constitution of 
the Canada Development Corporation. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 27). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a list of the names and addresses to 
whom Bill C-130 of the 1st Session of the 26th Parliament entitled An Act 
to provide for the Disposition of Indian Claims was sent, not including those 
distributed by the Queen's Printer, and for a copy of any accompanying letter 
or other communication. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 58). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any agency or 
branch thereof and the Government of the Province of British Columbia since 
January 1, 1963 relating to the Stewart-Cassiar Road. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 64). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was resolved, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
or other documents exchanged between the government, or any agency or 
branch thereof and any other person, organization, or group since January 1, 
1963 relating to dogfish (Squalus suckleyi) control measures. — (Notice of Mo- 
tion for the Production of Papers No. 65). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any agency or 
branch thereof and any other person, group, or organization since July 1, 1963 
relating to the H.M.C.S. Chatham at Prince Rupert, B.C. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 67). 



On motion of Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Bell, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all letters, briefs or memoranda writ- 
ten or presented by any staff association of the Public Service of Canada since 
the 22nd day of April, 1963, to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance 
or the Secretary of State or any official of these Departments or the Civil Serv- 
ice Commission on the subject of automation in the Public Service of Canada, 
together with any replies thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 73). 



On motion of Mr. Fairweather, seconded by Mr. Loney, it was ordered. — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 
grams and other messages between the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, 



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the Department of Justice and the John Howard Society, the Elizabeth Fry- 
Society about the location of the new women's prison in Cornwall, Ontario. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 74). 



On motion of Mr. Rheaume, seconded by Mr. Willoughby, it was resolved, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of the letter written by the 
Prime Minister to the provincial Premiers with respect to the participation 
by the governments of the Yukon and Northwest Territories in future Federal- 
Provincial Conferences. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
77). 



On motion of Mr. Rheaume, seconded by Mr. Willoughby, it was resolved, 
— That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, 
or other documents exchanged between the federal government or any branch 
or agency thereof and (a) the Government of the Province of Quebec (b) the 
Eskimo people of Northern Quebec or any of their representatives (c) any 
other person, agency or association, relating to the proposed transfer of admin- 
istration of Eskimo Affairs in Northern Quebec from the federal government to 
the Government of the Province of Quebec. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 82). 



On motion of Mr. Bell for Mr. MacEwan, seconded by Mr. Crouse, it was 
ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams or other documents exchanged between the government and any 
agency or branch thereof, and any other person, group or organization, regard- 
ing the proposed site, or sites for a post office at Margaree Valley, Nova Scotia. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 83). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item numbered 7 having been called was allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Laprise, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should give consideration to the advisability of 
appointing a committee to study the matter of the Labrador boundaries be- 
tween the Province of Quebec and the Province of Newfoundland. — (Notice 
of Motion No. 8). 

And debate arising thereon; 



130 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Peters, proposed to move in amendment 
thereto, — That the motion be amended by adding thereto the following: 

"and the matter of the boundary between the Province of Quebec and the 
Province of Ontario at the International boundary and the matter of the Inter- 
national boundary along the Alaska Panhandle between the State of Alaska 
and the Province of British Columbia." 



RULING BY MR. ACTING SPEAKER 

Mr. Acting Speaker (Mr. Batten), ruled the amendment out of order on 
the ground that it would enlarge upon the scope of the main motion. 

And debate continuing on the main motion; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

Third Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on March 24, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

Maclean Everett Jones, Herbert Daniel Wyman, William Gordon Brown, 
John McGillvray Johnson, William Leonard Britton, all of the City of Calgary, 
Alberta, for an Act to incorporate "Almon Pipeline Co. Ltd.", and for per- 
taining purposes. — Mr. Olson. 

Michel Deschamps, Robert H. Belanger, Paul J. McNicoll, all of the City 
of Ottawa, Ontario, for an Act to incorporate "Les Scouts Catholiques du 
Canada", and for other purposes. — Mr. Tardif. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Second Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Allstate Insurance Company of Canada, of the City of Toronto, Ontario, 
for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, 
in the transaction of its business, either the name "Allstate Insurance Company 
of Canada" and/or "Allstate du Canada, Compagnie d' Assurance". 

Maclean Everett Jones, Herbert Daniel Wyman, William Gordon Brown, 
John McGillvray Johnson, William Leonard Britton, all of the City of Calgary, 
Alberta, for an Act to incorporate "Almon Pipeline Co. Ltd.", and for pertain- 
ing purposes. 

Gordon Frederick Hughes, Barbara Dorothy Hughes, both of the Town of 
Windsor, Nova Scotia, and Philip Andrew Cole of the Village of Hubbards, 
Nova Scotia, and two others of the City of Halifax, Nova Scotia, for an Act 
to incorporate "New Scotland Savings and Mortgage Company". 

Michel Deschamps, Robert H. Belanger, Paul J. McNicoll, all of the City 
of Ottawa, Ontario, for an Act to incorporate "Les Scouts Catholiques du 
Canada", and for other purposes. 



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At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Order made this day. 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — White Paper on Defence, dated March 1964. (English and French). 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $684,120,260.18, being the aggregate 
of— 

(a) two-twelfths of the total of the Items set forth in the Main Estimates 
for the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1965 laid before the House of Commons 
at the present session of Parliament, $658,598,418.50; 

(b) an additional five-twelfths of the amount of External Affairs Item 
20 of the said Main Estimates, $402,291.67; 

(c) an additional four- twelfths of the amount of Atomic Energy Item 
5 of the said Main Estimates, $416,666.67; 

(d) an additional three-twelfths of the amount of National Research Coun- 
cil Item 10 of the said Main Estimates, $5,838,000.00; 

(e) an additional two-twelfths of the amount of Fisheries Item 15, Legis- 
lation Item 20, Mines and Technical Surveys Item 25 and Transport Item 95, 
of the said Main Estimates, $6,661,116.67; 

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134 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

(/) an additional one-twelfth of the amount of Finance Item 25, Labour 
Item 30, Legislation Item 5, Mines and Technical Surveys Items 10, 15, 45, 
50 and 60, National Revenue Item 5, Northern Affairs and National Resources 
Item 1, Trade and Commerce Item 15, of the said Main Estimates, $12,203,766.67, 
be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1965. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
31st March, 1965, the sum of $684,120,260.18, be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the Resolution concurred in this day in 
the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-84, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the 
public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965, which was 
read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, on division, read the 
third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day. 



By agreement, it was ordered, — That the hour for Private Members' Busi- 
ness be deferred. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

Whereupon, Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — List of the Federal Delegation to the Federal-Provincial 



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Conference in Quebec City opening on March 31, 1964, together with Press 
Releases, dated March 25 and 26, 1964, relative to the Proposed Agenda and 
Procedures and other Information concerning the said Conference. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said documents be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Letters exchanged between the Minister of Transport and Dr. Andrew Stewart, 
Chairman of the Board of Broadcast Governors, dated December 31, 1963 and 
March 9, 1964, on the subject of Community Antenna Television. 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report and Fi- 
nancial Statements of the Export Credits Insurance Corporation certified by the 
Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to sections 
17(3) and 18 of the Export Credits Insurance Act, chapter 105, and sections 
85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 



At 6.22 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the House do now 
adjourn. 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to, on division. 

Whereupon, at 11.07 o'clock a.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until 
Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 30th MARCH, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-84, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1965. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-4, An Act respecting the International Bridge over the 
St. Clair River known as the Blue Water Bridge, to which the concurrence of 
this House is desired. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Temple, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give consideration to the advisability of amend- 
ing the Hospital Insurance and Diagnostic Services Act to provide for payment, 
in agreement with the Provinces, for emergency ambulance services. — (Notice 
of Motion No. 7). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



140 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

30th March, 1964. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Wishart F. Spence, 
puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 30th 
March, at 9.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 

A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Spence, act- 
ing as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the immediate 
attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable the 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, His 
Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the 
following bill: 

An Act respecting the Trans-Canada Air Lines Act. 

And Mr. Speaker also informed the House that he had addressed the Hon- 
ourable the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted supplies required to enable the gov- 
ernment to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following 
bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965.' 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy to His 
Excellency the Governor General did say: 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 30th MARCH 141 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, 
and assents to this bill." 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Correspondence 
dated February and March, 1964, exchanged between the Prime Minister of 
Canada and the Premiers of the Provinces concerning the Federal-Provincial 
Conference at Quebec City. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated June 26, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a 
copy of ail correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged between 
the government, or any agencies or departments thereof, and any provincial 
government, since April 21, 1963, relating to jointly financed programmes. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 24). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of 
Capital and Operating Budgets of the Canadian National Railway Company 
for the year ending December 31, 1964, pursuant to section 37 of the Canadian 
National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of Canada, 1955, together with a 
copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-299, dated February 28, 1964, approving 
same. 



At 10.16 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, laid before the House, — Copy of a letter dated March 21, 1964, 
addressed by the Minister of Transport to the Executive Director of the Atlantic 
Development Board, concerning a preliminary study of the effects of winter 
navigation on the St. Lawrence River and Gulf and other studies relating to 
the Ports of Halifax and Saint John, N.B. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-4, An Act respecting the International Bridge over the St. Clair 
River known as the Blue Water Bridge. — Mr. Martin (Essex East). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-3, An Act to amend 
the Bankruptcy Act (Wage Earners' Assignments) ; 

Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 



144 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and 
a Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



Orders numbered 2 to 4 having been called, were allowed to stand at the 
request of the Government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-13, An Act to amend 
the Small Loans Act (Advertising); 

Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and 
a Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of 
Bill C-20, An Act to amend the Small Loans Act; 

Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject-matter 
thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and a Mes- 
sage was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of Bill 
C-23, An Act to provide for the Control of Consumer Credit; 



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Mr. Knowles for Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and 
a Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of 
Bill C-44, An Act to amend the Bills of Exchange Act and the Interest Act 
(Off-store Instalment Sales) ; 

Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and a 
Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of 
Bill C-51, An Act to amend the Bills of Exchange Act (Instalment Purchases); 

Mr. Peters, seconded by Mr. Martin (Timmins), moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and 
a Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of 
Bill C-52, An Act to amend the Interest Act; 



146 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved, — That 
the said bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and 
a Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of 
Bill C-53, An Act to amend the Interest Act (Application of Small Loans Act) ; 

Mr. Martin (Timmins), seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject-mat- 
ter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and a 
Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of 
Bill C-63, An Act to provide for Control of the Use of Collateral Bills and 
Notes in Consumer Credit Transactions: 

Mr. Rinfret for Mr. Ryan, seconded by Mr. Walker, moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill 
be not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and 
a Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours thereof. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 31st MARCH 147 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-14, An Act to amend 
the Criminal Code (Insanity); 

Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Peters, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The Committee of Supply resumed. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

AGRICULTURE 

Administration Branch 

le Departmental Administration — To extend the purposes of 
Vote 1 of the Main Estimates for 1963-64 to include 
the gift detailed in these Estimates and to provide 

a further amount of $60,000 00 

15e Economics Division — To increase to $85,000 the amount 
of the contribution to the Agricultural Economics 
Research Council; additional amount required 62,250 00 

Research Branch 

25e Institutes, Stations, Farms, Laboratories and Services — 
Operation and Maintenance — To extend the purposes 
of Vote 25 of the Main Estimates for 1963-64 to in- 
clude a grant of $3,635 to assist in publishing a scien- 
tific treatise 1 00 

30e Institutes, Stations, Farms, Laboratories and Services — 
Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 
and Equipment 220,000 00 

Production and Marketing Branch 
Dairy Products Division — 
50e Grants and other assistance in accordance with the 

Cheese and Cheese Factory Improvement Act . . 97,500 00 

60e Fruit and Vegetable Division — Assistance in construction 
of potato warehouses under terms and conditions 
approved by the Governor in Council 117,000 00 

Health of Animals Division — 
76e Payment of compensation to owners of animals affect- 
ed with diseases coming under the Animal Con- 
tagious Diseases Act, which have died or have 
been slaughtered in circumstances not covered 
by the above Act and Regulations made there- 
under, all as detailed in the Estimates 7,946 00 



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77e Contributions to the Provinces, in accordance with 
regulations of the Governor in Council, of 
amounts not exceeding two-fifths of the amounts 
paid by the Provinces to owners of animals that 
have died as a result of rabies since the first day 
of July, 1960 7,000 00 

Livestock Division — 
91e Special Grant to Royal Agricultural Winter Fair, 

Toronto 98,242 00 

95e Grants to Agricultural Organizations as detailed in the 

Estimates 25,000 00 

97e Special Grant to the Canadian Plowing Council to 

assist in defraying the costs of the XI World 

Plowing Contest, 1963 5,000 00 

120e Plant Protection Division — To extend the purposes of Vote 
120 of the Main Estimates for 1963-64 to include com- 
pensation for hydrangeas destroyed pursuant to the 
Destructive Insect and Pest Act 14,000 00 

Board of Grain Commissioners 
135e Inspection and Weighing of Grain and Related Services . . 40,000 00 

Special 
Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development Act — 

165e Administration, Operation and Maintenance 10,000 00 

171e Payment of the balance of contributions to Prince Edward 
Island and Saskatchewan for expenses incurred in 
respect of crop insurance in the amounts that would 
otherwise have been paid to those provinces if the 
agreements entered into by Canada pursuant to the 
Crop Insurance Act on the 31st day of May, 1962 
with Prince Edward Island and on the 1st day of 
June, 1962 with Saskatchewan had been entered into 
on the 18th day of July, 1959 9,342 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
National Harbours Board, including its Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 1963, pur- 
suant to section 32 of the National Harbours Board Act, chapter 187, and 
sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 31st MARCH 149 

At 10.05 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 32 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 1st APRIL, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

By agreement, it was ordered, — That the hours of sitting this day be 
extended to include a sitting from 8:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. 



On motion of Mr. Latulippe, seconded by Mr. Langlois, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 
grams or other documents exchanged between the Minister of Finance or any 
other officer of his Department and the Canadian Association of the Lumber 
Industry or one of their representatives or members, in connection with the 
11% tax on building materials. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 10). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 21, 22, 30 to 52, 
57, 60, 66, 69, 78, 79, 80, 81, 84, 86, 87, 88, and 89 having been called were al- 
lowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Langlois seconded by Mr. Latulippe it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams or other documents exchanged between the Prime Minister or any 
Minister of the Cabinet and Mr. Jean Lesage, Premier of the Province of 
Quebec or Mr. Gerin-Lajoie, Minister of Youth, concerning interest free loans 
to university students, as mentioned in the Speech from the Throne. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 29). 



152 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other 
documents exchanged between the government and any agency or branch 
thereof and any other person, group or organization since December 20, 
1963 relating to Bill No. C-130 of the 1st Session of the 26th Parliament 
entitled An Act to provide for the Disposition of Indian Claims. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 59). 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

AGRICULTURE 

Special 

172e Estimated amount required to recoup the Agricultural 
Commodities Stabilization Account to cover the net 
operating loss of the Agricultural Stabilization Board, 
including loss resulting from revaluation of inventory, 
as at March 31, 1964 $122,235,000 00 

173e Estimated amount required to recoup the Agricultural 
Products Board Account to cover the net operating 
loss recorded in the account as at March 31, 1964 .... 1,018,400 00 

174e Estimated amount required to provide for the operating 
loss of the Farm Credit Corporation for the fiscal 
year ending March 31, 1964 1,377,000 00 

175e Estimated amount required to recoup the Prairie Farm 
Emergency Fund to cover the net operating loss for 
the fiscal year ending March 31, 1964 1,940,000 00 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5:00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the hour for Private Members' 
Business be suspended. 

Whereupon the Committee of Supply resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Labour 

B-Unemployment Insurance Commission 

L27e To authorize the Minister of Finance, notwithstanding the 
Unemployment Insurance Act, to credit, on such terms 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 1st APRIL 153 

and conditions as the Governor in Council may deter- 
mine, to the Unemployment Insurance Fund such sums 
as may from time to time be required by the said 
Fund; the aggregate of the sums outstanding at any 
one time not to exceed $55,000,000 — To extend the 
purposes of vote L27a of the Estimates for 1963-64 
to cover requirements in the fiscal year 1964-65 . . . .$ 1 00 

LABOUR 

A — Department 

General Administration 

le Departmental Administration 14,000 00 

5e Economics and Research Branch 5,500 00 

20e Industrial Relations Activities 10,000 00 

22e Administration of the Maritime Transportation Unions 

Trustees Act 135,000 00 

25e Civilian Rehabilitation Branch Administration 143,000 00 

27e To extend from January 31, 1964 to March 31, 1964 the 
termination date in Vote 27d of the Supplementary 
Estimates (D), 1963-64 of the period during which 
each full-time worker 45 years of age or over may 
be engaged by an employer 1 00 

Government Employees Compensation 

45e Administration of the Government Employees Compensa- 
tion Act 5,000 00 

48e To deem members of the Board of Trustees of the Mari- 
time Transportation Unions and personnel appointed 
as provided in section 5 of the Maritime Transpor- 
tation Unions Trustees Act to be employees in the 
service of Her Majesty for purposes of the Govern- 
ment Employees Compensation Act 1 00 

49e To deem any Assistant Light-keeper who is or was ap- 
pointed on contract by a Principal Light-keeper to 
be or to have become, upon such appointment, 
an employee within the meaning of the Government 
Employees Compensation Act for the purpose of that 
Act, and any amount received out of the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund by or in respect of such em- 
ployee, because of an accident arising out of or in 
the course of his employment, to have been received 
as compensation under that Act 1 00 

Resolutions adopted at this day's sitting of the Committee to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



154 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies 
of Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, 
of Wednesday, March 25, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, 
chapter 235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Picker sgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Canadian National (West Indies) Steamships, Limited, for the year ended De- 
cember 31, 1963, pursuant to section 85(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2:30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 2nd APRIL 155 

No. 33 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 2nd APRIL, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Temple, seconded by Mr. Klein, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-85, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Commutation of death sentence), 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 

A — Department 

le Departmental Administration including the expenses of the 
North Atlantic Treaty Organization Ministerial Meet- 
ing in Canada, May, 1963 $ 56,000 00 

lOe Representation Abroad — Construction, acquisition or im- 
provement of buildings, works, land, equipment and 
furnishings 225,000 00 

15e Canada's civilian participation as a member of the In- 
ternational Commissions for Supervision and Control 
in Indo-China 6,000 00 



156 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

External Aid Office 
99e Contribution to the Canadian Red Cross in aid of disaster 



victims in East Pakistan 10,000 00 

lOle Purchase and shipment of trivalent oral polio vaccine to 

the Government of Barbados as a gift 5,500 00 

102e Contribution to the Canadian Red Cross to assist in the 

relief of victims of the earthquake in Yugoslavia . . 10,000 00 

103e Emergency relief in the form of canned hams and 

powdered skim milk to the Government of Brazil . . 5,000 00 

104e Contribution to emergency relief in the Caribbean 

Islands 20,000 00 

Other Payments to International Organizations and Programs 

115e Assessment for Membership in the International (in- 
cluding Commonwealth) Organizations that are 
detailed in the Estimates, including authority to pay 
such assessments in the amounts and in the currencies 
in which they are levied, notwithstanding that the 
total of such payments may exceed the equivalent 
in Canadian dollars, estimated as of February, 1964, 
which is 977,500 00 

117e Assessment towards financing the United Nations Emer- 
gency Force in the amount of $551,979 U.S., for the 
period January 1, 1964 to December 31, 1964, 
notwithstanding that payment may exceed or fall 
short of the equivalent in Canadian dollars, estimated 
as of February, 1964, which is 596,200 00 

125e Payment to the International Civil Aviation Organization 
in part reimbursement of compensation paid to its 
Canadian employees for Quebec income tax for the 
1962 taxation year 6,100 00 

146e To reimburse the Agricultural Products Board for the ex- 
port value of skim milk powder donated to in- 
ternational relief agencies 490,400 00 

147e Contribution to the Gift Program for the United Nations 

Building in Santiago, Chile 10,800 00 

149e Assessment towards financing the Laos International 

Commission 84,100 00 

LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

External Affairs 

L17e Additional advance to the Working Capital Fund of the 
Food and Agriculture Organization of the United 
Nations, in an amount of $3,268 U.S., notwithstand- 
ing that payment may exceed or fall short of the 
equivalent in Canadian dollars, estimated as of Feb- 
ruary, 1964, which is 3,600 00 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 2nd APRIL 157 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15 (3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)} 

The Order being read for resuming debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Bell, seconded by Mr. Winkler, — That an Order of the House do issue for a 
copy of all letters, memoranda or directives made by the Minister and/or the 
Department of National Defence regarding the rounding up of arms and/or 
ammunition. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 53). 

By leave of the House, the said motion was withdrawn. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-17, An Act to provide 
for the Restitution and Distribution of the proceeds of Grade Excess and 
Overage unlawfully confiscated and converted in 1955 and continuously there- 
after under an Act intituled An Act to amend the Canada Grain Act to the 
use and purposes of the Governor in Council; 

Mr. Rapp, seconded by Mr. Bigg, moved, — That the said bill be now read 
a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker ruled the bill out of order in that its preamble and explana- 
tory notes were irregular as they were in the nature of an argument and 
discussion of the purposes and effect of the bill; that the preambule also alleged, 
as a matter of fact, that there was a defect in parliamentary procedure lying 
behind a prior Act of this Parliament; and furthermore that the bill contained 
money provisions. 



Orders numbered 6 to 12 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-27, An Act to amend 
the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act (Twelve Mile Fishing Zone); 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

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158 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH n 

The Committee of Supply resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION 

Immigration Branch 

20e Administration of the Immigration Act $ 133,800 00 

30e Field and Inspectional Service, Abroad 134,800 00 

35e Trans-Oceanic and Inland Transportation and Other 
Assistance for Immigrants and Settlers, subject to 
the approval of Treasury Board, including care en 
route and while awaiting employment; and payments 
to the Provinces pursuant to agreements entered into, 
with the approval of the Governor in Council, in re- 
spect of expenses incurred by the Provinces for in- 
digent immigrants 230,000 00 

Indian Affairs Branch 

Indian Agencies — 
50e Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 
and Equipment including expenditures on works 
on other than federal property 43,000 00 

Welfare— 
60e Operation and Maintenance including grants and con- 
tributions as detailed in the Estimates 25,000 00 

Economic Development — 
70e Operation and Maintenance including the grants and 

contributions detailed in the Estimates 65,000 00 

Resolutions adopted at this day's sitting of the Committee to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 34 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 3rd APRIL, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Three Petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of Opening Statement by the Prime Minister of Canada at the 
Federal-Provincial Conference at Quebec City, March 31, 1964, together with 
Communique of the Federal-Provincial Conference dated April 2, 1964. (Eng- 
lish and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said statement and com- 
munique be printed as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 
CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION 
le Salaries and Contingencies of the Commission $ 131,000 00 

DEFENCE PRODUCTION 

A — Department 

15e Grants to municipalities in lieu of taxes on Crown-owned 

defence plants operated by private contractors . . . . 23,100 00 

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160 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

25e To sustain technological capability in Canadian industry 
by supporting selected defence development programs, 
on terms and conditions approved by Treasury Board 5,500,000 00 

B — Crown Companies 

Canadian Arsenals Limited — 
35e Administration and Operation 501,100 00 

FINANCE 

General Administration 
le Departmental Administration 61,900 00 

Administration of Various Acts and Costs of Special Functions 

Royal Canadian Mint — 
30e Administration, Operation and Maintenance 128,600 00 

Municipal Development and Loan Board 
38e Administration 68,000 00 



Subsidies and Other Payments to Provinces 

40e Payments, computed in accordance with terms and condi- 
tions approved by the Governor in Council, to the 
Government of each Province, in respect of income tax 
paid by corporations whose main business is the dis- 
tribution to or generation for distribution to the public 
of electrical energy, gas or steam; the said payments 
to be made in respect of such part of the income of 
the Corporations for the taxation year ending in 
the calendar year 1961 (as determined under and 
for the purposes of the Income Tax Act) as is derived 
from the said distribution or generation in the Prov- 
ince to which payment is made 1,600,000 00 

Payments to Municipalities 

45e Grants to Municipalities in accordance with the Municipal 

Grants Act and Regulations made thereunder .. .. 2,800,000 00 

Contingencies and Miscellaneous 

56e To authorize the Treasury Board to delete from the ac- 
counts certain debts due, and claims by, Her Majesty, 
each of which is in excess of $1,000, amounting in the 
aggregate to $268,434.88 of which $15,943.01 repre- 
sents three items that have been carried as assets in 
the Statement of Assets and Liabilities 15,945 00 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 3rd APRIL 161 

General Items of Payroll Costs Including Superannuation Payments 

67e To provide that where a person would, except for the fact 
that he has a period of elective pensionable service 
to his credit under the Public Service Superannuation 
Act, be eligible to count the period of elective pen- 
sionable service under a pension plan of a public 
service employer as defined in that Act, the person 
may elect, in a manner prescribed by the Treasury 
Board, to receive a return of contributions in respect 
of the service in lieu of any other benefit payable to 
or on his behalf in respect of the service 1 00 

68e To authorize the deletion of $531,182,000 from the Ac- 
counts of Canada, of which: 

(a) $524,849,000 is shown in the Accounts as the 
unamortized portion of the actuarial deficiency 
in the Canadian Forces Superannuation Account, 
and 

(b) $6,333,000 is shown in the accounts as the un- 
amortized portion of the actuarial deficiency in 
the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Superannua- 
tion Account, 

and the charge of that amount to net debt as an ad- 
justment in respect of prior years' transactions .... 1 00 

70e To supplement other votes, subject to the approval of the 
Treasury Board, for the payment of salaries, wages 
and other pay list charges 11,000,000 00 

77e To provide that, for the purposes of the Public Service 
Superannuation Act, a person who died during a 
period ending before February, 1962 in which he was 
absent from duty without leave, and in respect of 
whom a Death Benefit would have been payable had 
he died under similar circumstances on February 1, 
1962, shall be deemed to have been a public service 
participant throughout the said period 1 00 

80e Government's contribution to the Hospitalization (Out- 
side Canada) Plan 100,000 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 



162 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

31st March, 1964, the sum of $130,793,985.00, be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



Mr. Mcllraith, for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Drury, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-86, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1964, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

LABOUR 
B — Unemployment Insurance Commission 

50e Administration of the Unemployment Insurance Act — To 
extend the purposes of Vote 50 of the Main Estimates 
for 1963-64 to include a grant of $1,500 to the Cana- 
dian Association for Adult Education to assist in de- 
fraying the expenses of the National Seminar on 
Guidance and Counselling held in Canada in Novem- 
ber, 1963 and to provide a further amount of $ 720,000 00 

55e Transfer of Labour to places where employment is avail- 
able and expenses incidental thereto, in accordance 
with Regulations of the Governor in Council 18,000 00 

FISHERIES 

Conservation and Development Service — 
30e Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, 

Land and Equipment 32,000 00 

Special 

70e Assistance, in accordance with terms and conditions ap- 
proved by the Governor in Council, for the construc- 
tion of fishing vessels in respect of which capital 
subsidies authorized by Vote 222 (Canadian Maritime 
Commission) of these Estimates may not be paid .... 200,000 00 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 3rd APRIL 163 

77e Estimated amount required to recoup the Fishing Vessel 
Indemnity Account and the Lobster Trap Indemnity- 
Account established under Vote 540 of the Appro- 
priation Act No. 5, 1955 and Vote 527 of the Appro- 
priation Act No. 6, 1956, to cover the net operating 
losses in the said Accounts as at March 31, 1964 . . 197,000 00 

FORESTRY 

12e Contribution to Nova Scotia, in accordance with such 
terms and conditions as the Governor in Council may 
approve, in respect of a program of forest stand im- 
provement which will provide employment in Cape 
Breton 91,000 00 

VETERANS AFFAIRS 
le Departmental Administration 50,000 00 

War Veterans Allowances and Other Benefits 

50e Assistance in accordance with the provisions of the 
Assistance Fund (War Veterans Allowances) Regu- 
lations 100,000 00 

55e Treatment and Related Allowances 25,000 00 

GOVERNOR GENERAL AND LIEUTENANT-GOVERNORS 

5e To authorize reimbursement to the Lieutenant-Governors 
of the Provinces of Canada of the costs of travelling 
and hospitality incurred in the exercise of their duties 
up to a maximum per annum for each as detailed in 
the Estimates — To increase the maximum per annum 
for each of the Lieutenant-Governors of the Prov- 
inces detailed in these Estimates 6,000 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 11 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-28, An Act to amend 
the Canada Fair Employment Practices Act (Age Discrimination); 



164 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

By unanimous consent, the order respecting the said bill was allowed to 
stand and retain its precedence. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
31st March, 1964, the sum of $23,368,648.00 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Mcllraith for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, by leave of 
the House, presented Bill C-87, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain 
sums of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st 
March, 1964, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

3rd April, 1964. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 3rd April, at 5.45 p.m., 
for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 3rd APRIL 165 

By unanimous consent, the House suspended its sitting to the call of the 
Chair. 

And the sitting having been resumed; 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill: 

Bill C-87, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for 
the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964. 

A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable the 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy to His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the 
Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and 
assents to this bill." 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Nicholson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Postmaster General 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 77 of the Post Office 
Act, chapter 212, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 7.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Brewin, moved for leave to introduce Bill 
C-88, An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867 (Abolition of 
the Senate) ; 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Edmonton West (Mr. Lambert), having raised 
a point of order to the effect that the bill was not constitutional since it pro- 
posed to alter radically, in a unilateral manner, the composition of the Parlia- 
ment of Canada; 

And debate arising on the point of order; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker stated that, in accordance with Beauchesne's Fourth Edition, 
citation 71(5), he does not "give a decision upon a constitutional question nor 
decide a question of law, though the same may be raised on a point of order 
or privilege." 



And the question being put on the said proposed motion, it was agreed to 
on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Asselin 

(Notre-Dame- 
de-Grace), 


Badanai, 

Batten, 

Beaule, 


Bechard, 

Beer, 

Benidickson, 


Benson, 
Berger, 
Blouin, 


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Boutin, 


Francis, 


Leblanc, 


Patterson, 


Brewin, 


Gauthier, 


Leboe, 


Pearson, 


Byrne, 


Gelber, 


Leduc, 


Pepin, 


Cadieux, 


Godin, 


Lessard 


Perron, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


■ Gordon, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Peters, 


Cowichan-The 


Gray, 


Lloyd, 


Pickersgill, 


Islands), 


Greene, 


Loiselle, 


Pilon, 


Cantin, 


Gregoire, 


Macdonald, 


Plourde, 


Caouette, 


Guay, 


MacEachen, 


Prittie, 


Car din, 


Habel, 


Mcllraith, 


Prud'homme, 


Caron, 


Haidasz, 


McNulty, 


Richard, 


Carter, 


Harley, 


McWilliam, 


Rideout, 


Choquette, 


Hays, 


Marcoux, 


Rinfret, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Hellyer, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Robichaud, 


Cowan, 


Howard, 


Matheson, 


Rock, 


Crossman, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Matte, 


Rouleau, 


Davis, 


South), 


Mitchell, 


Ryan, 


Deachman, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Moreau, 


Scott, 


Deschatelets, 


Knowles, 


Morison, 


Sharp, 


Douglas, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Mullally, 


Tardif, 


Drury, 


Lachance, 


Nicholson, 


Teillet, 


Dupuis, 


Laing, 


O'Keefe, 


Thompson, 


Emard, 


Lamoureux, 


Olson, 


Webster, 


Favreau, 


Laprise, 


Orlikow, 


Winch— 104. 


Forgie, 


Laverdiere, 








Nays 






Messrs: 




Alkenbrack, 


Fane, 


Maclnnis, 


Noble, 


Balcer, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


MacLean (Queens), 


Nowlan, 


Baldwin, 


Carleton), 


Macquarrie, 


Nugent, 


Bell, 


Grafftey, 


MacRae, 


Pigeon, 


Bigg, 


Hales, 


McBain, 


Rapp, 


Cantelon, 


Harkness, 


Madill, 


Rheaume, 


Cardiff, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Mandziuk, 


Ricard, 


Churchill, 


Huron), 


Martineau, 


Simpson, 


Clancy, 


Irvine, 


Monteith, 


Starr, 


Coates, 


Jorgenson, 


More, 


Stenson, 


Crouse, 


Kennedy, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Thomas, 


Danforth, 


Lambert, 


Nasserden, 


Webb, 


Diefenbaker, 


Loney, 


Nesbitt, 


Willoughby, 


Doucett, 


MacEwan, 


Nielsen, 


Winkler— 54. 



Accordingly, the said bill was introduced, read the first time, on division, 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House and, by unanimous 
consent, placed on the Order Paper as Order No. 1 under the heading "Public 
Bills". 



The honourable Member for Winnipeg South Centre (Mr. Churchill) 
having raised a point of order as to why a motion standing in the name of 
the Prime Minister was dropped from the Order Paper without the authority 
of the House since it had been in the possession of the House in that it had 
appeared on the Order Paper and the House must be asked, as was done on 
Friday last, and may refuse, to allow it to stand; the said motion being as 
follows: 

"That, immediately after Royal Assent has been given to the Bill providing 
for the appropriation based on Supplementary Estimates (E), this House 
adjourn until Monday, April 6, 1964." 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 6th APRIL 169 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: I am advised that when a notice of this particular type is 
given, until such time as the motion is introduced, the Clerk of the House, when 
notified the motion is not being proceeded with, has the right to withdraw the 
motion. 

And later; 

Mr. Speaker: The House cannot refuse the request of the government 
to stand a motion. In the present case, I understand that a request to remove the 
motion was made to the Clerk and consequently it was taken off the Order 
Paper. 

[At 5.00 o'clock 'p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) ] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. McNulty, seconded by Mr. Harley, moved, — That the Standing Com- 
mittee on Privileges and Elections be empowered to consider the advisability of 
amending the Canada Elections Act in order to provide: 

(1) that persons confined to hospitals be allowed to exercise their franchise 
in federal elections; 

(2) that portable polls be provided for public hospitals; 

(3) that transfers be allowed up to and including election day for persons 
confined to hospital; 

and, for such purposes, to recommend such amendments to the said Act as may 
be deemed advisable. — (Notice of Motion No. 9). 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



The Hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill: 

Bill C-86, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for 
the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964. 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

6th April, 1964. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 



170 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 6th April, at 9.45 p.m., 
for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 

A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable the 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy to His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the 
Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and 
assents to this bill." 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Master of the Royal Canadian Mint for the year ended December 31, 1963, pur- 
suant to section 21 of the Currency, Mint and Exchange Fund Act, chapter 315, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

Fourth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on March 31st, meet the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 



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The Guarantee Company of North America, for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its busi- 
ness, either the name "The Guarantee Company of North America" and/or 
"La Garantie compagnie d'assurances de l'Amerique du Nord". — Mr. Watson 
( Chateauguay-Huntingdon-Laprairie) . 

Walter Mitchell, of the Village of Chester, Walter deW. Barss, of the City 
of Dartmouth, Donald Mclnnes, Eric McN. Grant, George C. Piercey, of the City 
of Halifax, all of the Province of Nova Scotia, for an Act to incorporate "Nova 
Scotia Savings & Loan Company" and for other purposes. — Mr. Regan. 

Isosaburo Ueda, Mataju Saito, Kenjiro Kambara, and many others all of 
the City of Toronto, Ontario, for an Act to incorporate Seicho-No-Ie, and for 
other purposes. — Mr. Ryan. 



At 10.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 7th APRIL, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Report by the Secretary-General of the Organization and 
Operation of the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus together with 
an Exchange of Letters constituting an Agreement between the United Nations 
and the Government of the Republic of Cyprus concerning the Status of the 
United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Klein be substituted for that of Mr. Regan on the Standing 
Committee on External Affairs. 



Mr. Gregoire, from his place in the House, asked leave under Standing 
Order 26 to move the adjournment of the House for the purpose of discussing a 
definite matter of urgent public importance, and stated the matter to be: 

"the extension of the Winter Works Programme beyond April 30th in areas 
having a severe climate." 

Mr. Speaker decided that the proposal was not a matter of urgency of 
debate as understood under the terms of Standing Order 26 as the matter could 
be discussed in the near future on the Budget Debate. 

And the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) having stated 
that he wished to appeal the decision of the Chair; 



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Mr. Speaker stated that, in accordance with certain past decisions of the 
House, his ruling was not appealable to the House. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Lapointe appealed to the House 
from the latter decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following di- 
vision: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Addison, 


Doucett, 


Lamoureux, 


Nugent, 


Aiken, 


Drury, 


Laverdiere, 


O'Keefe, 


Alkenbrack, 


Dupuis, 


Leblanc, 


Olson, 


Armstrong, 


Emard, 


Leboe, 


Otto, 


Asselin, 


Enns, 


Leduc, 


Patterson, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Fairweather, 


Lessard 


Pearson, 


de-Grace), 


Fane, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Pennell, 


Badanai, 


Favreau, 


Lloyd, 


Pepin, 


Balcer, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


- Loiselle, 


Pickersgill, 


Baldwin, 


Revelstoke), 


Loney, 


Pigeon, 


Basford, 


Flemming (Victoria 


- Macdonald, 


Pilon, 


Batten, 


Carleton), 


MacEachen, 


Prud'homme, 


Bechard, 


Forbes, 


MacEwan, 


Pugh, 


Beer, 


Forest, 


Maclnnis, 


Rapp, 


Bell, 


Foy, 


Mackasey, 


Rheaume, 


Benidickson, 


Gelber, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Ricard, 


Benson, 


Gendron, 


Macquarrie, 


Richard, 


Berger, 


Godin, 


MacRae, 


Rideout, 


Bigg, 


Gordon, 


McBain, 


Rinfret, 


Blouin, 


Grafftey, 


McCutcheon, 


Robichaud, 


Boulanger, 


Gray, 


Mcllraith, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Greene, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Rouleau, 


Byrne, 


Guay, 


McNulty, 


Roxburgh, 


Cadieux, 


Gundlock, 


McWilliam, 


Ryan, 


Cameron 


Habel, 


Madill, 


Rynard, 


(High Park), 


Hahn, 


Mandziuk, 


Sharp, 


Cantelon, 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Simpson, 


Cantin, 


Hales, 


Martineau, 


Starr, 


Cardiff, 


Harkness, 


Matheson, 


Stefanson, 


Cardin, 


Harley, 


Matte, 


Stenson, 


Caron, 


Hays, 


Millar, 


Stewart, 


Carter, 


Hellyer, 


Mitchell, 


Tardif, 


Choquette, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Monteith, 


Teillet, 


Churchill, 


Howe (Wellington- 


More, 


Temple, 


Clancy, 


Huron), 


Moreau, 


Thomas, 


Coates, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Morison, 


Thompson, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Jorgenson, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Turner, 


Cowan, 


Kennedy, 


Mullally, 


Walker, 


Crossman, 


Kindt, 


Munro, 


Watson 


Crouse, 


Klein, 


Nasserden, 


(Chateauguay- 


Danforth, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Nesbitt, 


Huntingdon- 


Davis, 


Laing, 


Nicholson, 


Laprairie), 


Deachman, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nielsen, 


Webb, 


Diefenbaker, 


Lambert, 


Noble, 


Willoughby, 


Dinsdale, 


Lamontagne, 


Nowlan, 


Winkler— 170. 



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175 



Beaule, 
Belanger, 
Boutin, 
Brewin, 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Caouette, 

Cote (Chicoutimi), 

Dionne, 

Douglas, 



Cameron (Nanaimo- Fisher, 
Cowichan-The Gauthier, 

Islands), Knowles, 



Langlois, 
Laprise, 
Latulippe, 
Lessard (Lac- 
Saint- Jean), 
Mather, 
Orlikow, 



Perron, 

Peters, 

Prittie, 

Scott, 

Webster, 

Winch— 24. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-88, An Act to amend 
the British North America Act, 1867 (Abolition of the Senate); 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Winch, moved, — That the said bill be now- 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Supply resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

JUSTICE 

A — Department 

le Departmental Administration including grants and con- 
tributions as detailed in the Estimates $ 

Supreme Court of Canada — 
lOe Administration 

Exchequer Court of Canada — 
15e Administration 

Pensions and Other Benefits 

45e Gratuities to the widows or other dependents of Judges 
who die while in office 



10,000 00 

5,000 00 

15,000 00 

10,000 00 



176 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

LEGISLATION 

House of Commons 

35e Grant to the Canadian North Atlantic Treaty Organiza- 
tion Parliamentary Association 5,000 00 

40e General Administration — Estimates of the Clerk 362,500 00 

MINES AND TECHNICAL SURVEYS 

B — Dominion Coal Board 

140e Payments in connection with the movements of coal 

under conditions prescribed by the Governor in Council 3,914,600 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated March 25, 1964, for a copy of the letter written 
by the Prime Minister to the provincial Premiers with respect to the participa- 
tion by the governments of the Yukon and Northwest Territories in future 
Federal-Provincial Conferences. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 77). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Canadian National Railways for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant 
to section 40 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 29, Statutes of 
Canada, 1955. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report to Parliament of the Auditors on the Accounts 
of the Canadian National Railway System for the year ended December 31, 
1963, pursuant to section 40 of the Canadian National Railways Act, chapter 
29, Statutes of Canada, 1955. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of the Canadian National Railways Securities 
Trust for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 17 of the 
Canadian National Railways Capital Revision Act, chapter 311, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 



At 10.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 8th APRIL, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Langlois and Nielsen be substituted for those of 
Messrs. Plourde and Macquarrie on the Standing Committee on External 
Affairs. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders for Returns, namely: 

No. 208 — Mr. Cadieu (Meadow Lake) 

1. How many radar stations in the Mid-Canada Line have been or are to 
be abandoned in Saskatchewan? 

2. What are the locations of these stations? 

3. At which of these stations have the radar towers been destroyed or 
dismantled? 

4. Was the Government of Saskatchewan notified of the decision to aban- 
don these stations and, if so, on what date? 

5. Was the C.B.C. notified of the decision to abandon these stations and, if 
so, on what date was the Government of Saskatchewan, the C.B.C. or any 
other body given an opportunity to acquire the radar towers at these stations? 

6. When was each tower erected and at what cost? 

No. 316 — Mr. Slogan 
1. What has been the budget of N.R.C. for each of the last ten years? 



178 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

2. How much money in each of these years has been spent on medical 
research? 

3. How much of this money has been spent on dental research and what 
dental research projects have been supported? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 477 — Mr. Simpson 

1. On what date was active consideration of the closing of Mid-Canada 
Radar Stations in the Province of Manitoba commenced? 

2. How many intermediate or Doppler sites in connection with the Mid- 
Canada Line were closed down in the Province of Manitoba? 

3. Was the C.B.C. notified of the decision that the Department of National 
Defence had no further use for the towers at these intermediate sites and, if 
so, on what date? 



(Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 21, 22, 36, 37, 
46, 47, 57, 60, 66, 78, 79, 80, 81, 84, 86, 87, 88, 89, and 90 having been called 
were allowed to stand at the request of the government.) 



On motion of Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams or other documents exchanged between the Minister of Justice 
or the Deputy Minister or any officials of his Department and Maitre Luc- 
Gilbert Lessard, of Black Lake, Quebec, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 32). 



On motion of Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert Les- 
sard, of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the President of the Privy 
Council or any officials of his Secretariat, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 33). 



On motion of Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert Les- 
sard, of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Minister of National Revenue 
or the Deputy Minister or any officials of his Department, since March 1, 
1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 43). 



On motion of Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams or documents exchanged between the Prime Minister or any minis- 
ter of the government and any universities of the Province of Quebec, regard- 
ing grants between December 1962 and March 1, 1964. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 69). 



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On motion of Mr. MacEwan, seconded by Mr. Crouse, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, tele- 
grams or other documents exchanged between the government and any agency 
or branch thereof, and any other person, group or organization, regarding the 
R.R. 1 River John, Pictou County, Nova Scotia, mail route contract. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 91). 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the hour for Private Members' 
Business be suspended. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Bechard, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Basford be substituted for that of Mr. Byrne on the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 9th APRIL, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Joint Statement by Charles Millard, Trustee, Board of Trustees of 
the Maritime Transportation Unions, and Paul Hall, President, Seafarers' 
International Union of North America, concerning problems facing the Mari- 
time industry on the Great Lakes, dated April 3, 1964. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

NATIONAL DEFENCE 

Royal Canadian Air Force 

35e Operation and Maintenance $ 13,653,000 00 

Pensions and Other Benefits 

86e To deem for purposes of the Public Service Superannua- 
tion Act, such persons as the Treasury Board may 
prescribe who, upon ceasing to be public service 
participants, were entitled under the Canadian Forces 
Superannuation Act or the Defence Services Pension 
Continuation Act to an annuity, to be or to have been 
elective public service participants during a period 
prescribed by the Board 1 00 



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NATIONAL HEALTH AND WELFARE 
le Departmental Administration 19,000 00 

National Health Branch 

Health Services, including assistance to the Provinces — 

5e Administration 20,000 00 

25e To authorize Hospital Construction Grants to the Prov- 

inces, the Northwest Territories and the Yukon 
Territory upon the terms and in the amounts 
detailed in the Estimates and under terms and 
conditions approved by the Governor in Council 2,000,000 00 

Medical Services — 
30e Operation and Maintenance 950,000 00 

NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL, INCLUDING 
THE MEDICAL RESEARCH COUNCIL 

5e Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land and 

Equipment 1,125,000 00 

NATIONAL REVENUE 
Customs and Excise Divisions 
5e Inspection, Investigation and Audit Services 90,00000 

Taxation Division 

20e General Administration 70,000 00 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the hour for Private Members' 
Business be suspended. 



Whereupon the Committee of Supply resumed. 

Resolutions adopted at this day's sitting of the Committee to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1964-455, dated March 26, 1964 authorizing, under section 21 of the 
Export Credits Insurance Act, a contract of insurance to cover the sale by The 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 9th APRIL 183 

de Havilland Aircraft of Canada, Limited, Downsview, Ontario, of DC-9 air- 
craft parts to the value of $62.8 million to the Douglas Aircraft Company, Inc., 
Santa Monica, California, pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, chapter 105, 
R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 

By Mr. Sharp, — Order in Council P.C. 1964-456, dated March 26, 1964, 
authorizing under section 21a of the Export Credits Insurance Act, long-term 
financing by the Export Credits Insurance Corporation, for the purchase of 
capital equipment from Parsons & Whittemore Contractors Ltd., Montreal, 
Quebec, and engineering and erection services from Sandwell and Company 
Limited, Vancouver, B.C., by Fabricas de Papel Tuxtepec, S.A., Mexico City, 
Mexico, pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as 
amended 1960-61. 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 39 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 10th APRIL, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Walker, from the Special Committee appointed to prepare and report 
lists of Members to compose the Standing Committees of the House under 
Standing Order 65, presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which 
is as follows: 

Your Committee, in accordance with Standing Order 65, recommends that 
the Standing Committees of this House be composed of the following Members: 





No. 1 






Privileges and Elections 






Messrs. 




Armstrong, 


Francis, 


Nielsen, 


Balcer, 


Girouard, 


Nugent, 


Beaule, 


Greene, 


O'Keefe, 


Brewin, 


Howard, 


Paul, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Jewett (Miss), 


Plourde, 


Cashin, 


Lessard (Saint-Henri), 


Rapp, 


Crossman, 


Macquarrie, 


Rochon, 


Doucett, 


Marcoux, 


Valade, 


Drouin, 


More (Regina City), 


Woolliams— 29. 


Dube, 


Moreau, 

(Quorum 10) 





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No. 2 
Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines 



Messrs. 



Addison, 

Armstrong, 

Asselin (Notre-Dame- 

de-Grace), 
Balcer, 
Basford, 
Beaule, 
Bechard, 
Belanger, 
Bell, 
Berger, 
Boulanger, 

Cadieu (Meadow Lake), 
Cameron (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The Islands) , 
Cantelon, 
Cooper, 
Cowan, 
Crossman, 
Crouse, 
Emard, 
Fisher, 



Foy, 
Godin, 
Granger, 
Greene, 
Guay, 

Horner (Acadia), 
Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 
Irvine, 
Kennedy, 
Kindt, 
Korchinski, 
Lachance, 
Lamb, 
Laniel, 
Latulippe, 

Lessard (Saint-Henri) 
Macaluso, 
MacEwan, 
Mackasey, 
Marcoux, 

(Quorum 20) 



Matte, 

McBain, 

McNulty, 

Millar, 

Olson, 

Orlikow, 

Pascoe, 

Prittie, 

Rapp, 

Regan, 

Richard, 

Rideout, 

Rock, 

Ryan, 

Southam, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Tucker, 

Watson (Chateauguay- 

Huntingdon-Laprairie ) 
Willoughby— 60. 



No. 3 
Miscellaneous Private Bills 



Messrs. 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Basford, 

Belanger, 

Cameron (High Park), 

Cantelon, 

Chapdelaine, 

Coates, 

Cooper, 

Cowan, 

Deachman, 

Ethier, 

Forbes, 

Foy, 

Francis, 

Gelber, 

Gray, 



Groos, 
Harley, 
Honey, 

Horner (The Battlefords) 
Jewett (Miss), 
Kennedy, 
Klein, 

Konantz (Mrs.), 
Lambert, 

Lessard (Lac-Saint- 
Jean), 
Lloyd, 
Loney, 
Macdonald, 
Martin ( Timmins) , 
Mather, 
McCutcheon, 

(Quorum 15) 



McLean (Charlotte), 
McMillan, 
Mitchell, 

, Moore (Wetaskiwin), 
More (Regina City), 
Nixon, 
Ormiston, 
Otto, 
Paul, 
Perron, 
Rock, 
Roxburgh, 
Simpson, 
Southam, 
Tucker, 
Webb, 
Webster— 50. 



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187 



No. 4 
Banking and Commerce 



Messrs. 



Addison, 

Aiken, 

Armstrong, 

Asselin (Notre-Dame- 

de-Grace), 
Bell, 

Cameron (High Park), 
Cameron (Nanaimo- 

Cowichan-The Islands) 
Caouette, 

Casselman (Mrs.), 
Chaplin, 
Chretien, 

Cote (Chicoutimi), 
Crossman, 
Crouse, 
Danforth, 
Douglas, 



Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton), 
Gelber, 
Gendron, 
Grafftey, 
Gregoire, 
Habel, 
Hahn, 
Hales, 

Jewett (Miss), 
Kelly, 
Kindt, 
Klein, 
Leblanc, 
Lloyd, 
Mackasey, 
Matte, 
McCutcheon, 

(Quorum 15) 



McLean (Charlotte), 

Monteith, 

More (Regina City), 

Moreau, 

Morison, 

Olsen, 

Otto, 

Pascoe, 

Ryan, 

Rynard, 

Scott, 

Tardif, 

Thomas, 

Vincent, 

Wahn, 

Whelan, 

Woolliams — 50. 







No. 5 








Public Accounts 






Messrs. 




Baldwin, 




Gendron, 


Ricard, 


Basford, 




Grafftey, 


Rinfret, 


Beaule, 




Gray, 


Rochon, 


Berger, 




Hales, 


Rock, 


Cameron 


(High Park), 


Harkness, 


Rondeau, 


Cameron 


(Nanaimo- 


Lessard (Saint-Henri), 


Ryan, 


Cowichan-The Islands), Loiselle, 


Scott, 


Cardiff, 




Mandziuk, 


Skoreyko, 


Chaplin, 




McLean (Charlotte), 


Smith, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


McMillan, 


Southam, 


Crouse, 




McNulty, 


Stefanson, 


Drouin, 




Muir (Lisgar), 


Tardif, 


Dube, 




O'Keefe, 


Tucker, 


Eudes, 




Pigeon, 


Valade, 


Fane, 




Pilon, 


Wahn, 


Forbes, 




Regan, 


Whelan, 


Frenette, 




Richard, 

(Quorum 15) 


Winch— 5( 



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No. 6 
Agriculture and Colonization 



Messrs. 



Alkenbrack, 
Armstrong, 
Asselin (Richmond- 
Wolfe), 
Barnett, 
Bechard, 
Beer, 
Berger, 

Cadieu (Meadow Lake) , 
Cardiff, 
Choquette, 
Crossman, 
Cyr, 

Danforth, 
Dionne, 
Doucett, 
Drouin, 
Emard, 
Ethier, 
Forbes, 
Forest, 



Forgie, 
Gauthier, 
Gendron, 
Groos, 
Gundlock, 
Honey, 

Horner (Acadia), 
Horner (The Battlefords), 
Howe (Wellington- 
Huron), 
Jorgenson, 
Konantz (Mrs.), 
Lamb, 
Langlois, 
Laverdiere, 
Madill, 
Mather, 
Matheson, 
Matte, 
McBain, 
Moore (Wetaskiwin), 

(Quorum 20) 



Mullally, 

Nasserden, 

Noble, 

O'Keefe, 

Olson, 

Ouellet, 

Pennell, 

Peters, 

Pigeon, 

Rapp, 

Ricard, 

Rochon, 

Roxburgh, 

Southam, 

Tardif, 

Temple, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Watson (Chateauguay- 

Huntingdon-Laprairie) , 
Whelan— 60. 





No. 7 
Standing Orders 




Asselin (Notre-Dame- 

de-Grace), 
Baldwin, 
Boulanger, 
Casselman (Mrs.), 
Chapdelaine, 
Forest, 


Messrs. 

Guay, 

Horner (Jasper-Edson), 

Kelly, 

Lessar d ( Saint-Henri ) , 

Loiselle, 

Mandziuk, 

More (Regina City), 

(Quorum 8) 


Morison, 

Perron, 

Pugh, 

Rinfret, 

Southam, 

Temple, 

Winch— 20 



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189 







No. 8 






Marine 


and Fisheries 






Messrs. 




Armstrong, 


Cyr, 




Macquarrie, 


Barnett, 


Danforth, 




Mather, 


Basford, 


Dionne, 




McLean (Charlotte), 


Bechard, 


Dube, 




Mullally, 


Belanger, 


Foy, 




Noble, 


Bigg, 


Godin, 




Patterson, 


Blouin, 


Granger, 




Pugh, 


Cadieu (Meadow Lake), 


Groos, 




Rheaume, 


Cashin, 


Howard, 




Stefanson, 


Chatterton, 


Lachance, 




Tucker, 


Coates, 


Leduc, 




Whelan— 35. 


Crouse, 


MacLean 


(Queens), 






(Quorum 10) 





No. 9 
Mines, Forests and Waters 



Messrs. 



Alkenbrack, 

Asselin (Richmond- 
Wolfe), 

Barnett, 

Berger, 

Blouin, 

Caouette, 

Coates, 

Cyr, 

Deachman, 

Dinsdale, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 
Revelstoke), 

Gendron, 



Godin, 

Grafftey, 

Gray, 

Gregoire, 

Habel, 

Harley, 

Herridge, 

Leboe, 

Leduc, 

Loney, 

Martin ( Timmins ) , 

Martineau, 

McBain, 

(Quorum 10) 



Mitchell, 

Moreau, 

Muir (Cape Breton North 

and Victoria), 
Rheaume, 
Rideout, 
Roxburgh, 
Simpson, 
Stenson, 
Turner, 
Watson (Chateauguay- 

Huntingdon- 

Laprairie) — 35. 



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No. 10 
Industrial Relations 



Messrs. 



Barnett, 

Basford, 

Bell, 

Chretien, 

Cyr, 

Dionne, 

Emard, 

Foy, 

Frenette, 

Godin, 

Grafftey, 

Gray, 



Greene, 

Habel, 

Irvine, 

Knowles, 

Lachance, 

Latulippe, 

Laverdiere, 

Lessard (Saint-Henri), 

Maclnnis, 

Mackasey, 

McNulty, 

Millar, 

(Quorum 10) 



Mitchell, 

Muir (Cape Breton 

North and Victoria) 
Muir (Lisgar), 
Noble, 
Orlikow, 
Regan, 
Ricard, 
Rideout, 
Starr, 
Stenson, 
Weichel— 35. 



No. 11 
Debates 



Aiken, 
Batten, 
Cowan, 
Howard, 



Messrs. 



Lambert, 
Langlois, 
MacNaught, 
Nugent, 



Paul, 

Prud'homme, 
Rinfret, 
Rouleau — 12. 



(Quorum 7) 



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FRIDAY, 10th APRIL 



191 





No. 12 






Estimates 






Messrs- 




Armstrong, 


Francis, 


Nixon, 


Blouin, 


Girouard, 


Nowlan, 


Boulanger, 


Grafftey, 


O'Keefe, 


Boutin, 


Guay, 


Orlikow, 


Brown, 


Hales, 


Otto, 


Cadieu (Meadow Lake), 


Honey, 


Perron, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Howe (Hamilton South) 


, Peters, 


Cantelon, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Pilon, 


Cashin, 


Huron), 


Prud'homme, 


Chatterton, 


Jorgenson, 


Richard, 


Coates, 


Kelly, 


Rochon, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Leblanc, 


Rondeau, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Leboe, 


Roxburgh, 


Danforth, 


Loiselle, 


Rynard, 


Douglas, 


Madill, 


Skoreyko, 


Ethier, 


Mandziuk, 


Starr, 


Fane, 


Matte, 


Stefanson, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


McCutcheon, 


Tardif, 


Revelstoke), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Whelan, 


Forest, 


Mullally, 


Woolliams — 60. 


Forgie, 


Nasserden, 

(Quorum 20) 







No. 13 






Veterans Affairs 






Messrs. 




Asselin (Richmond- 


Harley, 


Millar, 


Wolfe), 


Herridge, 


Morison, 


Cameron (High Park), 


Honey, 


Nesbitt, 


Chatterton, 


Howard, 


O'Keefe, 


Clancy, 


Kelly, 


Otto, 


Emard, 


Kennedy, 


Patterson, 


Fane, 


Laniel, 


Pennell, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Latulippe, 


Pilon, 


Revelstoke), 


MacEwan, 


Pugh, 


Forgie, 


MacRae, 


Rideout, 


Frenette, 


Madill, 


Rock, 


Greene, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Temple, 


Groos, 


Matheson, 


Thomas, 


Habel, 


Mcintosh, 

(Quorum 15) 


Weichel — 40, 



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No. 14 
Printing 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 





Mr. Speaker and Messrs. 


Boutin, 


Drouin, 


Ouellet, 


Cadieux (Terrebonne), 


Ethier, 


Pascoe, 


Cardiff, 


Kennedy, 


Prittie, 


Choquette, 


Lamb, 


Richard, 


Clancy, 


Laverdiere, 


Rochon, 


Cooper, 


Leblanc, 


Scott, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Loiselle, 


Simpson — 24, 


Cowan, 


Ormiston, 





No. 15 

Library of Parliament 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 



Baldwin, 

Boutin, 

Brown, 

Cadieux (Terrebonne), 

Casselman (Mrs.), 

Chapdelaine, 

Chatterton, 

Choquette, 



Mr. Speaker and Messrs. 

Cote (Longueuil), 
Crossman, 
Enns, 

Fairweather, 
Fisher, 

Fleming (Okanagan- 
Revelstoke), 



Honey, 

Konantz (Mrs.), 

Laniel, 

Macquarrie, 

Martineau, 

Mullally, 

Wahn.— 22. 



Boulanger, 

Cardiff, 

Cowan, 

Cyr, 

Doucett, 

Ethier, 

Fairweather, 

Fane, 

Forgie, 



No. 16 

Restaurant 

(Members to Act on the part of the Commons) 



Mr. Speaker and Messrs. 

Gauthier, Martin (Timmins), 

Gelber, Matheson, 

Gundlock, McNulty, 

Hales, Peters, 
Horner (The Battlefords), Rinfret, 

Irvine, Slogan, 

Konantz (Mrs.), Tucker, 

Lessard, (Lac-Saint- Whelan — 26. 
Jean), 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 10th APRIL 193 

By agreement, it was ordered that the hours of sitting this day be extended 
to include a sitting from 7.00 p.m. to 10.00 p.m. 



On motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, it was ordered, — 
That Messages be sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours that this House 
will unite with them in the formation of Joint Committees of both Houses on 
the subject of Printing of Parliament, the direction of the Library of Parlia- 
ment and the Restaurant of Parliament; and that the Members to serve on 
each of the Committees, on the part of this House, will be as contained in the 
Second Report of the Special Committee presented this day. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Byrne be substituted for that of Mr. Basford on the Standing 
Committee on External Affairs. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES 

le Departmental Administration — To extend the purposes 
of Vote 1 of the Main Estimates, 1963-64, to authorize 
payment of a contribution to the Canadian Council 
of Resource Ministers in an amount equal to one-half 
the aggregate contribution of the Provinces but not 
exceeding $32,000 and to provide a further amount 
of $ 53,000 00 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the hour for Private Members' 
Business be suspended. 



Whereupon the Committee of Supply resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (E), 1963-64 

NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES 

Water Resources Branch 

Water Resources Branch — 
55e Administration, Operation and Maintenance $ 25,000 00 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Northern Administration Branch 

Welfare and Industrial Divisions — 
95e Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 

and Equipment 57,000 00 

Yukon Territory — 
106e Payments in accordance with terms and conditions 
approved by the Governor in Council during the 
1963-64 and 1964-65 fiscal years in respect of 
expenditures incurred for the Dawson City Fes- 
tival 225,000 00 

Northwest Territories and Other Field Services — 
llOe Operation and Maintenance including grants and con- 
tributions as detailed in the Estimates 30,000 00 



LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Northern Affairs and National Resources 

Northern Administration Branch 

L35e To increase to $800,000 the amount that may be charged 
at any one time to the Eskimo Loan Fund, established 
by Vote 546 of the Appropriation Act No. 3, 1953, 
as amended; additional amount required 200,000 00 

Northern Canada Power Commission 

L40e Advances to the Northern Canada Power Commission for 
the purpose of capital expenditures in accordance with 
subsection (1) of section 15 of the Northern Canada 
Power Commission Act 1,427,000 00 

POST OFFICE 

5e Operations 79,800 00 

lOe Transportation — Movement of mail by Land, Air and 

Water, including Administration 1,287,000 00 



PRIVY COUNCIL 

A — Privy Council 
Privy Council Office 
5e General Administration 29,800 00 

Prime Minister's Residence 
lOe Maintenance and Operation 2,800 00 

Special 

39e Expenses of Commission under Part I of the Inquiries Act 
to inquire and report upon certain Prairie Farm 
Assistance administrative matters 12,000 00 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 10th APRIL 195 

41e Expenses of the Preparatory Committee on Collective 

Bargaining in the Public Service 42,400 00 

43e Expenses of the Royal Commission on Bilingualism and 

Biculturalism 275,850 00 

44e Expenses of the Royal Commission on Government 

Organization 11,200 00 

B — Economic Council of Canada 
65e Administration 165,000 00 



PUBLIC PRINTING AND STATIONERY 
lOe Distribution of Official Documents 15,000 00 

PUBLIC WORKS 

Public Buildings Construction and Services 

Construction, acquisition, major repairs and improve- 
ments of, and plans and sites for, public buildings 
listed in the details of the Estimates, including ex- 
penditures on works on other than federal property, 
but the amount within the vote to be expended on 
individually listed projects may be increased or de- 
creased, subject to the approval of Treasury Board — 

5e Newfoundland 1 00 

lOe Nova Scotia 1 00 

20e New Brunswick 1 00 

35e Ontario (other than Ottawa) 1 00 

75e Maintenance and Operation of Public Buildings and 
Grounds — To extend the purposes of Vote 75 of the 
Main Estimates for 1963-64 to include the W. Clifford 
Clark Memorial Centre in Ottawa 1 00 

Harbours and Rivers Engineering Services 

Construction, acquisition, major repairs and improvements 
of, and plans and sites for, harbour and river works 
listed in the details of the Estimates, including expen- 
ditures on works on other than federal property, but 
the amount within the vote to be expended on indi- 
vidually listed projects may be increased or de- 
creased, subject to the approval of Treasury Board — 

90e Newfoundland 1 00 

95e Nova Scotia 1 00 

105e New Brunswick 1 00 

HOe Quebec 1 00 

115e Ontario 1 00 

132e Payment to Canadian Vickers Limited of a subsidy in 
respect of a dry dock in Montreal, Quebec, in accord- 
ance with the Dry Dock Subsidies Act (Chapter 91, 
R.S.), as though it were a dry dock of the first class 
described by section 7(a) of the Act 1 00 



196 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Development Engineering Services 

169e Payments in respect of winter maintenance of the Haines 

Cut-off Road, Northwest Highway System 120,000 00 

Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation 
(Responsibility transferred to Minister of National Revenue) 

206e To reimburse Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation 
pursuant to section 35 of the National Housing Act, 
1954, for expenditures incurred during the period Jan- 
uary 1, 1963 to December 31, 1963 for Housing Re- 
search and Community Planning as contemplated by 
Part V of the National Housing Act, 1954 1,084,353 00 

207e To reimburse Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation, 
pursuant to section 5(5) and section 24(b) of the 
Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation Act, for 
net losses resulting from the sale of mortgages from 
its portfolio during the calendar years 1962 and 
1963 966,265 00 

208e To reimburse Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation 
for losses sustained by it during the calendar year 
1963 as a result of the operation of Federal-Provincial 
Projects undertaken under section 36 of the National 
Housing Act, 1954 1,390,294 00 

209e To reimburse Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation 
for amounts loaned under section 36H of the National 
Housing Act, 1954, to municipalities and municipal 
sewerage corporations, and forgiven by the Corpora- 
tion during the calendar year 1963, pursuant to sec- 
tion 36G of the Act 5,798,706 00 



LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Public Works 

Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation 
(Responsibility transferred to Minister of National Revenue) 

L51e Advances charged to the special account in the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund established by subsection (4) of 
section 36 of the National Housing Act, 1954, in respect 
of housing and land development projects under- 
taken jointly with the Governments of Provinces 
during the calendar year 1963 8,000,000 00 

L52e Advances charged to the special account in the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund established by subsection (2) of 
section 36H of the National Housing Act, 1954, in re- 
spect of loans to municipalities and municipal sewer- 
age corporations, for construction or expansion of 
municipal sewage treatment projects during the calen- 
dar year 1963 33,500,000 00 



A.D. 1964 



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197 



SECRETARY OF STATE 
A — Department 

le Departmental Administration 

5e Companies and Corporations Branch 

lOe Trade Marks Office 

15e Translation Bureau 



3,000 00 

7,100 00 

5,000 00 

31,400 00 



TRADE AND COMMERCE 

A — Department 

General Administration 

le Departmental Administration — To amend the terms of 
Vote 1 of the Main Estimates for 1963-64 by substitut- 
ing the expression "International Coffee Organization" 
for the expression "Coffee Study Group" 1 00 

lOe Trade Commissioner Service — Construction or Acquisition 

of Buildings, Land, Equipment and Furnishings . . 54,000 00 

15e Exhibitions Branch 30,000 00 

17e Canadian Government Participation in the Universal and 
International Exhibition, Montreal, 1967 — To amend 
Vote 786 of the Appropriation Act No. 4, 1951 by de- 
leting the words "to be called the Associate Deputy 
Minister of Trade and Commerce" and substituting 
the words "Commissioner General for the Canadian 
Government Participation, 1967 Exhibition", and to 
amend Vote 692 of the Appropriation Act No. 5, 1958 
by deleting the expression "$16,500" and substituting 
the expression "$23,000" therefor and to provide a 
further amount of 50,000 00 

28e Canadian Government Travel Bureau 90,000 00 



LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Trade and Commerce 

L61e To extend the purposes of the account mentioned in Vote 
481 of the Appropriation Act No. 5, 1959, to provide 
for working capital advances to departmental field 
offices in Canada as well as to posts and employees on 
posting abroad and to increase to $700,000 the amount 
that may be charged at any time to that special ac- 
count; additional amount required 



350,000 00 



TRANSPORT 
A — Department 
le Departmental Administration 

Marine Services 

Aids to Navigation — 
lOe Administration, Operation and Maintenance 

20222—14 



70,000 00 



130,000 00 



198 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

St. Lawrence and Saguenay Rivers Ship Channels — 
35e Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 

and Equipment 2,768,000 00 

Canadian Coast Guard — 
40e Administration, Operation and Maintenance 700,000 00 

Marine Regulations including Pilotage and Marine Report- 
ing Services — 

50e Administration, Operation and Maintenance 20,000 00 

52e Payments to the Province of Newfoundland arising 
out of agreements between the Province and the 
St. John's Harbour and Pilotage Commission prior 
to the Act of Union 8,500 00 

Railway and Steamship Services 

60e Newfoundland Coastal Services — Construction or Acquisi- 
tion of Passenger-Cargo Vessels and Equipment and 
Harbour Facilities 105,000 00 

65e Construction or Acquisition of Auto-Ferry Vessels and 
Equipment — To extend the purposes of Vote 65 of 
the Main Estimates for 1963-64 to include the vessels 
detailed in these Estimates 1 00 

72e Payment to the Government of the Province of Prince 
Edward Island in accordance with an agreement en- 
tered into with that Government by the Minister of 
Transport, with the approval of the Governor in 
Council, providing for the demolition and removal by 
or on behalf of the Province of the bridge over the 
Hillsborough River referred to in the said Agreement 4,900 00 

77e Bell Island-Portugal Cove, Newfoundland, Ferry Serv- 
ice — Repairs and Improvements to Terminal Facilities 
ov/ned by Newfoundland 8,000 00 

87e Canadian National Railways Deficit, 1963 — Amount re- 
quired to provide for payment to the Canadian Na- 
tional Railway Company (hereinafter called the 
National Company) upon applications approved by the 
Minister of Transport, made by the National Company 
to the Minister of Finance, and to be applied by the 
National Company in payment of the system deficit 
(certified by the auditors of the National Company) 
arising in the calendar year 1963, subject to recovery 
therefrom of accountable advances made to the Na- 
tional Company from the Consolidated Revenue Fund 43,013,517 00 
lOOe Maritime Freight Rates Act — Payment to the Railway 
Companies operating in the select Territory designated 
by the Act, of the difference occurring on account of 
the application of the Act, between the tariff tolls and 
the normal tolls under approved tariffs (estimated 
and certified to the Minister of Transport by the 
Canadian National Railway Company and approved 
by auditors of the said company respecting the Eastern 



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Lines of the Canadian National Railways and in the 
case of the Other Railways by the Board of Transport 
Commissioners for Canada) on all traffic moved during 
the calendar year 1963 795,000 00 

107e Payments to the Canadian National Railway Company, in 
accordance with an agreement entered into with the 
approval of the Governor in Council, providing for 
the termination of the collection of tolls on the Vic- 
toria Jubilee Bridge, Montreal 390,000 00 

108e Payment to the Canadian National Railway Company of 
interest on the amount of $11,752,504.37 being the cost 
and expenses of construction of the rail diversion on 
the Victoria Jubilee Bridge, Montreal, including 
modification of the alternative bridge to carry rail 
as well as highway traffic, pursuant to Order in Coun- 
cil P.C. 1963-572 of April 11, 1963, as amended by 
Order in Council P.C. 1963-1140 of July 3, 1963, 
estimated at 2,816,000 00 

Pensions and Other Benefits 

125e Supplemental Pension Allowances to former employees 
of Newfoundland Railways, Steamships and Tele- 
communications Services transferred to Canadian 
National Railways 13,500 00 

Air Services 

Telecommunications and Electronics Branch 
193e Payment of the difference between revenues and ex- 



penses arising from the operation and maintenance by 
the Canadian National Railway Company of the 
Northwest Communication System from Whitehorse 
to Mayo and Dawson City in the Yukon Territory via 
intermediate points; the amount not to exceed $95,000 
per year for five years 69,700 00 

General 

203e Reimbursement of the Department of Transport Stores 
Account for the value of stores which have become 
obsolete, unserviceable, lost or destroyed 129,900 00 

B — Air Transport Board 

205e Salaries and other Expenses — To extend the purposes 
of Vote 205 of the Main Estimates for 1963-64 to 
include the expenses of the Conference of Aero- 
nautical Authorities held in Ottawa in July, 1963 6,783 00 

207e Subventions for Air Carriers as detailed in the Estimates 2,862 00 

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C— Board of Transport Commissioners for Canada 

214e Further payments in respect of the period from the 30th 
day of April, 1962, to the 31st day of March, 1963, 
to Companies as denned in the Freight Rates Re- 
duction Act in the same manner and subject to the 
same terms and conditions as payments made pur- 
suant to that Act in previous fiscal years 14,800 00 

D — Canadian Maritime Commission 

220e Steamship Subventions for Coastal Services as detailed 

in the Estimates 929,171 00 

F — St. Lawrence Seaway Authority 

230e Operating deficit and capital requirements of Canals 
and Works entrusted to the St. Lawrence Seaway 
authority . . 540,000 00 

LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Transport 

Railway and Steamship Services 

L64e Advances to the Lakehead Harbour Commissioners, on 
terms and conditions approved by the Governor in 
Council, to defray the cost of construction of trackage 
and related work at the Lakehead Harbour 500,000 00 

St. Lawrence Seaway Authority 

L75e Loans to the St. Lawrence Seaway Authority in such 
manner and subject to such terms and conditions as 
the Governor in Council may approve 13,000,000 00 

Resolutions adopted at this day's sitting of the Committee to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
31st March, 1964, the sum of $143,702,715.00 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 10th APRIL 201 

Mr. Mcllraith for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of 
the House, presented Bill C-89, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain 
sums of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st 
March, 1964, which was read the first time. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Mcllraith for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. 
Pickersgill, moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Northern 
Affairs and National Resources for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to 
section 11 of the Department of Northern Affairs and National Resources Act, 
chapter 4, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated March 4, 1964, for a copy of all letters, telegrams 
and other communications received by the Minister of Transport or his Depart- 
ment, and replies thereto, since October 1, 1963, in connection with the removal 
of Whitney Hillmer, Harbourmaster at Sarnia, and the appointment of his 
successor. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 19). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 8, 
1964, (Question No. 208) showing: 1. How many radar stations in the Mid- 
Canada Line have been or are to be abandoned in Saskatchewan? 

2. What are the locations of these stations? 

3. At which of these stations have the radar towers been destroyed or 
dismantled? 

4. Was the Government of Saskatchewan notified of the decision to aban- 
don these stations and, if so, on what date? 

5. Was the C.B.C. notified of the decision to abandon these stations and, if 
so, on what date was the Government of Saskatchewan, the C.B.C. or any 
other body given an opportunity to acquire the radar towers at these stations? 

6. When was each tower erected and at what cost? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 8, 
1964 (Question No. 477) showing: 1. On what date was active consideration 
of the closing of Mid- Canada Radar Station in the Province of Manitoba 
commenced? 

2. How many intermediate or Doppler sites in connection with the Mid- 
Canada Line were closed down in the Province of Manitoba? 

3. Was the C.B.C. notified of the decision that the Department of National 
Defence had no further use for the towers at these intermediate sites and, if 
so, on what date? 



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By unanimous consent, at 9.56 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant 
to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Aide-Memoire from the Secretary General of the United 
Nations Concerning some Questions Relating to the Function and Operation 
of the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus, dated April 11, 1964. 



Mr. Cardin for Mr. Hellyer, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, by leave of 
the House, introduced Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence Act, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sit- 
ting of the House. 



Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency : — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Aeronautics Act 
to authorize the Governor in Council to make regulations prescribing charges 
for the use of any facility or service provided by or on behalf of the Minister of 
Transport for or in respect of aircraft or at an airport and to make such 
regulations as he deems necessary to impose upon the owners or operators, 
wherever resident, of any aircraft, charges for the availability during any 
flights of such aircraft within or outside Canada of any facility or service 
provided by or on behalf of the Minister; to provide also for the payment of 



204 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

certain expenses of witnesses attending before boards of inquiry established 
by the Minister to investigate aircraft accidents; and to make certain other 
amendments for the better administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Bank Act and 
the Quebec Savings Banks Act to extend by one year the authority to carry 
on business for the banks to which these Acts apply. 

Resolved, on division, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole 
at its next sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order for Return, namely: 

No. 454 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. How many grants of all kinds has the government given to or provided 
for provincial or municipal governments, organizations, groups or individuals 
in connection with centennial projects? 

2. To whom were these grants given, what were the amounts involved 
and what was the project planned? 

3. What are the names of the organizations which to date have informed 
the government of their intent to undertake a special project for the centenary? 

4. Who, on behalf of the responsible federal minister, is in charge of the 
administration and co-ordination of all centenary projects? 

5. Are there any statistical data on the amounts that have been invested 
to date in various projects and, if so, what are they, by project? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That a special committee 
of the House be appointed to consider and make recommendations on a system 
of televising and radio broadcasting of the proceedings or part of the proceed- 
ings of this House. — (Notice of Motion No. 10). 

And debate arising thereon; 



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A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-89, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1964. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

13th April, 1964. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Wishart F. Spence, 
Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 13th 
April, at 5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain Bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Spence, acting 
as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the immediate 
attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 
And being returned; 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable the 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1964'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy to His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, 
and assents to this bill." 



206 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the 
House was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of 
Wednesday, April 8, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C. 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker laid before the House, — Report of the Seventh Meeting 
of the Canada-United States Interparliamentary Group, including Reports of 
two Committees, dated March 6, 1964. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said document be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — (1) Final Report to the International Joint Commission by the 
International Lake Ontario Board of Engineers with reference to Water Levels 
of Lake Ontario, dated December 1958. 

(2) Report to the Government of Canada and the Government of the 
United States by the International Joint Commission with reference to Water 
Levels of Lake Ontario, dated April 5, 1961. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the Statement of the Minister 
of Northern Affairs and National Resources be printed as an appendix to this 
day's Hansard. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Robichaud, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, laid before the House, — Decision of Mr. Justice Nemetz in the 
Matter of a Dispute between the United Fishermen and Allied Workers' 
Union and the Fisheries Association of British Columbia. 



208 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-10, An Act to enable 
Civil Servants to Engage in Political Activity; 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Prittie, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House 
to resolve itself into Committee of Ways and Means (Budget). 

And debate continuing; at 9.45 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 58(6); 

And the question being put on the said proposed motion, it was agreed 
to, on division. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Ways and 
Means, and progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained 
leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill for 
Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-72, An Act 
to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions to report 
upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the House 
of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representation 
in accordance therewith, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 1, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 



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letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged between the Minister of 
Finance or any other officer of his Department and the Canadian Association 
of the Lumber Industry or one of their representatives or members, in con- 
nection with the 11% tax on building materials. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 10). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 25, 
1964, for a copy of all telegrams, letters, representations and briefs made to any 
member of the government between April 12, 1963, and the date hereof 
regarding the setting up or constitution of the Canada Development Corpora- 
tion. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 27). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 
11, 1964, for a copy of the Order in Council removing Mr. Thomas Maher from 
the Chairmanship of the National Gallery, and a copy of all correspondence, 
letters and/or other messages that passed between the Secretary of State and 
Mr. Maher in regard thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 71). 



At ten o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker presented the Second Report of the Special Committee on 
Procedure and Organization, which is as follows: 

1. Your Committee, through its Subcommittee on Procedure, is engaged 
in a thorough study of the Standing Orders and the practices of the House of 
Commons. It is the belief of your Committee that certain amendments of the 
Standing Orders, and certain recommendations as to the practices of the House, 
should be adopted on a trial basis for the period from the day this Report is 
concurred in to the end of May, 1964. 

2. Your Committee emphasizes the fact that it will be for the House to 
decide whether to continue the changes herein proposed beyond the end of 
May. Your Committee also wishes to indicate to the House that it hopes to 
present, from time to time, further recommendations for implementation on 
a trial basis, pending the eventual presentation of a comprehensive report. 

3. This Report deals with two phases of House of Commons procedures: 

(1) Questions on Orders of the Day and Debate on Adjournment; 

(2) Notices of Motions for Production of Papers. 

(1) QUESTIONS ON ORDERS OF THE DAY AND DEBATE 
ON ADJOURNMENT 

4. Your Committee believes that the so-called Orders of the Day Question 
Period should be tightened up. It also believes that an opportunity for 
brief debate on urgent matters should be provided at the hour of adjournment 
on certain days. It believes that the provision of the latter will strengthen 



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the authority of Mr. Speaker with respect to the Orders of the Day Question 
Period, and your Committee recommends that the House support Mr. Speaker 
in the exercise of that authority. 

5. Your Committee therefore recommends that, for the period of time 
noted above, Standing Order 39 be amended by adding thereto a new sub-sec- 
tion (5), to read as follows: 

Standing Order 39, Sub-Section (5) 

39. (5) Before the Orders of the Day are proceeded with, questions 
on matters of urgency may be addressed orally to Ministers of the 
Crown, provided however that if in the opinion of Mr. Speaker a ques- 
tion is not urgent, he may direct that it not be proceeded with or that 
it be placed on the Order Paper, provided also that on any Wednesday 
the time allowed for a question period prior to the calling of the Orders 
of the Day shall not exceed thirty minutes. 

A member who is not satisfied with the answer given to a question 
asked on any day at this stage, or a member who has been told by 
Mr. Speaker that his question is not urgent, may give notice that he 
intends to raise the subject matter of his question on the adjournment 
of the House, as provided in Standing Order 39-A. The notice referred 
to herein, whether or not it is given orally during the question period 
before the Orders of the Day, must be given in writing to Mr. Speaker 
not later than 5:00 o'clock p.m. the same day. 

There shall be no appeal against any decision made by Mr. Speaker 
under the provisions of this sub-section. 

6. Your Committee also recommends that, for the period of time already 
noted, there be added to the Standing Orders a new Standing Order 39-A, to 
read as follows: 

Standing Order 39-A 

39-A. At 10:00 o'clock p.m. on any Monday, Tuesday or Thursday, 
Mr. Speaker may, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Orders 
6(3) and 32(2), deem that a motion to adjourn the House has been made 
and seconded, whereupon such motion shall be debatable for not 
more than thirty minutes. 

No matter shall be debated during the thirty minutes herein pro- 
vided, unless notice thereof has been given by a member during a 
question period prior to the calling of the Orders of the Day or to Mr. 
Speaker by 5:00 o'clock p.m., as provided in Standing Order 39(5). No 
debate on any one matter raised during this period shall last for 
more than ten minutes. The member raising the matter may speak 
for not more than seven minutes. A cabinet minister, or a parliamentary 
secretary speaking on behalf of a minister, if he wishes to do so, may 
speak for not more than three minutes. When debate has lasted for a 
total of thirty minutes, or when the debate on the matter or matters 
raised has ended, whichever comes first, Mr. Speaker shall deem the 
motion to adjourn to have been carried and he shall adjourn the House 
until the next sitting day. 

The time required for any questions and answers concerning the 
future business of the House, whether this item takes place before or 
after the thirty minute period herein provided, shall not be counted 
as part of the said thirty minutes. 

When several members have given notices of intention to raise 
matters on the adjournment of the House, Mr. Speaker shall decide the 



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order in which such matters are to be raised. In doing so, he shall 
have regard to the order in which notices were given, to the urgency of 
the matters raised, and to the apportioning of the opportunities to debate 
such matters among the members of the various parties in the House. 
He may, at his discretion, consult with the representatives of the parties 
concerning such order and be guided by their advice. By not later than 
6:00 o'clock p.m. on any Monday, Tuesday or Thursday, Mr. Speaker 
shall indicate to the House the matter or matters to be raised at the 
time of adjournment that day. 

There shall be no appeal against any decision made by Mr. Speaker 
under the provisions of this Standing Order. 

7. Your Committee believes that the implementation of Standing Orders 
39(5) and 39-A, as noted above, will provide a basis for more effective use of 
the right of members to ask questions, but it also believes that the successful 
implementation of the proposal set out above will depend on the acceptance 
of certain guide-lines regarding questions asked prior to Orders of the Day. 
Your Committee recommends that the House accept and support the following 
guide-lines. 

(1) Questions asked prior to Orders of the Day should be governed 
by the provisions of Standing Order 39(1). 

(2) Such questions should 

(a) be asked only in respect of matters of sufficient urgency and 
importance as to require an immediate answer; 

(b) not inquire whether statements made in a newspaper are 
correct; 

(c) not require an answer involving a legal opinion; 

(d) not be asked in respect of a matter that is sub judice; 

(e) not be of a nature requiring a lengthy and detailed answer; 

(f) not raise a matter of policy too large to be dealt with as an 
answer to a question. 

(3) Answers to questions should be as brief as possible, should deal with 
the matter raised, and should not provoke debate. 

(2) NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR PRODUCTION OF PAPERS 

8. To improve the handling of this order of business, your Committee 
makes two proposals. 

9. First, your Committee recommends that Standing Order 47 be amended 
by adding thereto a new sub-section (2), to read as follows: 

Standing Order 47, Sub-Section (2) 

47. (2) When debate on a motion for the production of papers, 
under the order "Notices of Motions (Papers)", has taken place for a 
total time of two hours and thirty minutes, Mr. Speaker shall at that 
point interrupt the debate, whereupon a Minister of the Crown, whether 
or not such Minister has already spoken, may speak for not more than 
five minutes, following which the mover of the motion may close the 
debate by speaking for not more than five minutes. Unless the motion 
is withdrawn, as provided by Standing Order 49, Mr. Speaker shall forth- 
with put the question. 

10. Second, your Committee recommends that the House agree that Notices 
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in a manner similar to that now being practised with respect to written 
questions, namely, by an announcement that certain ones are accepted, certain 
ones accepted subject to standard qualifications, that certain ones might be 
called, and that the rest (subject to prior consultation with the movers) be 
allowed to stand. 

11. The two proposals respecting Notices of Motions for Production of 
Papers set out above are recommended for the same trial period already noted, 
namely from the day this Report is concurred in to the end of May, 1964. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders for Returns, namely: 

No. 98— Mr. Smith 

1. Broken down into departments of government, what is the total number 
of persons employed in information or public relations divisions of the Public 
Service of Canada? 

2. What is the total salaries paid to such persons in each of the depart- 
ments? 

3. Broken down into departments of government, what is the total ex- 
penditure of such divisions in advertising, films, and in other forms of paid 
publicity? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 191— Mr. Churchill 
What items and quantities of military equipment, exclusive of arms and 
ammunition, have been stolen from National Defence properties since Septem- 
ber 1, 1963; and on what dates and from what properties? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 317— Mr. Slogan 

1. What departments of the federal government spend money on dentistry 
or dental research? 

2. Who is responsible for the making of policy regarding dentistry in each 
of these departments? 

3. Does the Head of the Dental Division of the Department of National 
Health and Welfare co-ordinate all the dental programs in that Department? 

4. Who is the representative of the Dental Division in the policy making 
body of the Department of National Health and Welfare? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 21, 22, 36, 37, 46, 47, 
57, 78, 79, 80, 81, 84, 87, 88, 89, 92, 97, and 9.9 having been called were allowed 
to stand at the request of the government. 

On motion of Mr. Howard seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — That 
there be laid before this House a copy of all applications for, and inquiries 



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relating to, the purchase, lease or rental of Indian Reserve Lands in the Burns 
Lake Indian Agency since January 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 60). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all observations and reports 
concerning space or the location thereof for the R.C.M. Police as referred 
to in the answer given to Question No. 300 of the present session of Parliament. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 86). 



On motion of Mr. Howard, seconded by Mr. Knowles, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any agency or 
branch thereof and any other person, group or organization relating to Indian 
Reserve Lands in the Burns Lake Indian Agency since January 1, 1963. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 90). 



On motion of Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Beaule, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams and documents exchanged between Mr. Albert Garant of Rober- 
val, Roberval County, and the Minister of Public Works, the Deputy Minister, 
or other employees of that Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 93). 



On motion of Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Beaule, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams and documents exchanged between Mr. Albert Garant of Rober- 
val, Roberval County, and the Postmaster-General, the Deputy Postmaster- 
General, or other employees of that Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 94). 



On motion of Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Beaule, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams and documents, concerning the Chambord Post Office, exchanged 
between Mr. Ludger Bouchard of Chambord, Roberval County, and the 
Postmaster-General, the Deputy Postmaster-General, or other employees of 
that Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 95). 



On motion of Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Beaule, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams and documents, concerning the Chambord Post Office, exchanged 
between Mr. Ludger Bouchard of Chambord, Roberval County, and the 
Minister of Public Works, the Deputy Minister, or other employees of that 
Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 96). 



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Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before 
this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged between the Department 
of National Revenue and the American Authorities under the Tax Agreement 
between Canada and the United States with regard to the Eaton-Kaye case 
and any opinions which may have been obtained from the American Authori- 
ties on the position of the securities and investment involved in the estate 
of the late Mrs. Eaton-Kaye since January 1, 1961. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 98). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Port Arthur (Mr. Fisher) stated that he desired 
a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the 
order of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



On motion of Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all replies by the Premiers of 
the provinces to the letter of the Prime Minister directed to the Premiers 
respecting the participation by the governments of the Yukon and Northwest 
Territories in future Federal-Provincial Conferences. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 100). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pickersgill 
for Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-72, An Act 
to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions to report 
upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the House 
of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Representation 
in accordance therewith, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item numbered 11 having been called was allowed to stand at the request 
of the government. 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Barnett, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of reducing the 
qualifying age for old age pensions, without a means-test, to 67 years by 
1967. — (Notice of Motion No. 12). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



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Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report 
of the St. Lawrence Seaway Authority, including its Accounts and Financial 
Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 
1963, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration 
Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Northern 
Ontario Pipe Line Crown Corporation, including its Accounts and Financial 
Statement certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 
1963, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report of Eldorado Mining and Refining Limited and 
its subsidiary companies, Eldorado Aviation Limited, and Northern Transporta- 
tion Company Limited, including their Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended December 31, 1963, pur- 
suant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 
116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report of the National Productivity Council to the Minis- 
ters of Trade and Commerce and of Labour, including its Financial Statement 
and the Auditor General's Report thereon, for the year ended March 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 19 of the National Productivity Council Act, chapter 4, 
Statutes of Canada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report on the Activities of the National Energy Board 
for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 91 of the National 
Energy Board Act, chapter 46, Statutes of Canada, 1959. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, — Report of the Canadian Corporation for the 1967 World 
Exhibition, including its Statements of Accounts and the Report of the Auditor 
General of Canada and the Quebec Provincial Auditor thereon, for the year 
ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 18 of the Canadian Corporation 
for the 1967 World Exhibition Act, chapter 12, Statutes of Canada 1962- 
63, as amended 1963. (English and French). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Message 
from Her Majesty the Queen, transmitted by His Excellency the Governor 
General, which was read by Mr. Speaker, as follows: 

The Address which you have sent to me and which conveys your congratu- 
lations to myself and to my husband on the birth of our third son has given 
me very great pleasure. 

On this happy occasion we both deeply appreciate the kind sentiments and 
good wishes which you have expressed. 

ELIZABETH R 
7th April, 1964. 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Exchange of letters between the High Commissioner for Canada in London 
and the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Commonwealth Relations 
and for the Colonies, dated April 15, 1964, on the subject of production and 
trade policies relating to cereals. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the explanatory statement of 
the Minister of Trade and Commerce be printed as an appendix to this day's 
Hansard. 



Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries 
Commissions to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the 
Provinces in the House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of 
such Representation in accordance therewith, was again considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole; 



220 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 
Item numbered 98 having been called was allowed to stand. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 3 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-18, An Act to 
amend the Immigration Act (Disclosure of Reasons for Deportation); 

Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-72, 
An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions 
to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in 
the House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Represen- 
tation in accordance therewith, and further progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated November 13, 1963, for a copy of all correspond- 
ence received since January 1, 1963 by the Prime Minister and/or the Min- 
ister of Justice from organizations or individuals dealing with the problem of 
security procedures and investigations and the replies to same. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 146). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 8, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams or other documents 
exchanged between the Minister of Justice or the Deputy Minister or any 
officials of his Department and Maitre Luc-Gilbert Lessard, of Black Lake, 
Quebec, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 32). 



At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the Special Committee on Food and Drugs appointed March 9, 1964, be com- 
posed of Messrs. Armstrong, Asselin (Richmond- Wolfe), Basford, Casselman 
(Mrs.), Cote (Longueuil), Enns, Francis, Gauthier, Harley, Horner (Jasper- 
Edson), Howe (Hamilton South), Jorgenson, Macaluso, Mackasey, Marcoux, 
Mitchell, Nesbitt, Orlikow, Prud'homme, Roxburgh, Rynard, Slogan, Whelan, 
and Willoughby. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, laid before the House, — Statement by the International Joint Com- 
mission concerning Water Levels in the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Basin. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, laid before the House, — Report of the British Columbia Research 
Council entitled Freight Movements through Greater Vancouver. 



Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries 
Commissions to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the 
Provinces in the House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of 
such Representation in accordance therewith, was again considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and further progress having been made and reported, 
the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 5 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-22, An Act to amend 
the Criminal Code (Provincial Lotteries) ; 

Mr. Valade, seconded by Mr. Winkler, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated July 10, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged be- 
tween the government, the Minister of Finance, employees of the Department 
of Finance or of any of its other branches, departments or employees, and any 
association, individual, organization, public body or group in connection with 
any protests on the withdrawal of the eleven per cent tax on building material. 
— (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 46). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated July 10, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government, the Minister of 
Finance, employees of the Department of Finance or of any of its other branches, 
departments or employees, and any association, individual, organization, public 
body or group in connection with any protests on the withdrawal of the thirty 
per cent tax on the sale of Canadian Shares to non-residents. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 47). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 20th APRIL, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of Letter sent by the Prime Minister of Canada to provincial 
Premiers, dated April 16, 1964, on the subjects of Tax-Sharing Arrangements, 
Pensions, Family Allowances, and Loans to University Students. (English and 
French) . 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said letter be printed as 
an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, moved, — That the Second Report 
of the Special Committee on Procedure and Organization, presented on April 
15th, be now concurred in. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said Report was concurred in, and is as follows: 

1. Your Committee, through its Sub-Committee on Procedure, is engaged 
in a thorough study of the Standing Orders and the practices of the House of 
Commons. It is the belief of your Committee that certain amendments of the 
Standing Orders, and certain recommendations as to the practices of the House, 
should be adopted on a trial basis for the period from the day this Report is 
concurred in to the end of May, 1964. 

2. Your Committee emphasizes the fact that it will be for the House to 
decide whether to continue the changes herein proposed beyond the end of 
May. Your Committee also wishes to indicate to the House that it hopes to 
present, from time to time, further recommendations for implementation on 
a trial basis, pending the eventual presentation of a comprehensive report. 

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3. This Report deals with two phases of House of Commons procedures: 

(1) Questions on Orders of the Day and Debate on Adjournment; 

(2) Notices of Motions for Production of Papers. 

(1) QUESTIONS ON ORDERS OF THE DAY AND DEBATE 
ON ADJOURNMENT 

4. Your Committee believes that the so-called Orders of the Day Question 
Period should be tightened up. It also believes that an opportunity for 
brief debate on urgent matters should be provided at the hour of adjournment 
on certain days. It believes that the provision of the latter will strengthen 
the authority of Mr. Speaker with respect to the Orders of the Day Question 
Period, and your Committee recommends that the House support Mr. Speaker 
in the exercise of that authority. 

5. Your Committee therefore recommends that, for the period of time 
noted above, Standing Order 39 be amended by adding thereto a new sub- 
section (5), to read as follows: 

Standing Order 39, Sub-Section (5) 

39. (5) Before the Orders of the Day are proceeded with, questions 
on matters of urgency may be addressed orally to Ministers of the 
Crown, provided however that if in the opinion of Mr. Speaker a ques- 
tion is not urgent, he may direct that it not be proceeded with or that 
it be placed on the Order Paper, provided also that on any Wednesday 
the time allowed for a question period prior to the calling of the Orders 
of the Day shall not exceed thirty minutes. 

A member who is not satisfied with the answer given to a question 
asked on any day at this stage, or a member who has been told by 
Mr. Speaker that his question is not urgent, may give notice that he 
intends to raise the subject matter of his question on the adjournment 
of the House, as provided in Standing Order 39-A. The notice referred 
to herein, whether or not it is given orally during the question period 
before the Orders of the Day, must be given in writing to Mr. Speaker 
not later than 5:00 o'clock p.m. the same day. 

There shall be no appeal against any decision made by Mr. Speaker 
under the provisions of this sub-section. 

6. Your Committee also recommends that, for the period of time already 
noted, there be added to the Standing Orders a new Standing Order 39-A, to 
read as follows: 

Standing Order 39-A 

39-A. At 10:00 o'clock p.m. on any Monday, Tuesday or Thursday, 
Mr. Speaker may, not withstanding the provisions of Standing Orders 
6(3) and 32(2), deem that a motion to adjourn the House has been made 
and seconded, whereupon such motion shall be debatable for not 
more than thirty minutes. 

No matter shall be debated during the thirty minutes herein pro- 
vided, unless notice thereof has been given by a member during a 
question period prior to the calling of the Orders of the Day or to Mr. 
Speaker by 5:00 o'clock p.m., as provided in Standing Order 39(5). No 
debate on any one matter raised during this period shall last for 
more than ten minutes. The member raising the matter may speak 
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secretary speaking on behalf of a minister, if he wishes to do so, may 
speak for not more than three minutes. When debate has lasted for a 
total of thirty minutes, or when the debate on the matter or matters 
raised has ended, whichever comes first, Mr. Speaker shall deem the 
motion to adjourn to have been carried and he shall adjourn the House 
until the next sitting day. 

The time required for any questions and answers concerning the 
future business of the House, whether this item takes place before or 
after the thirty minute period herein provided, shall not be counted 
as part of the said thirty minutes. 

When several members have given notices of intention to raise 
matters on the adjournment of the House, Mr. Speaker shall decide the 
order in which such matters are to be raised. In doing so, he shall 
have regard to the order in which notices were given, to the urgency of 
the matters raised, and to the apportioning of the opportunities to debate 
such matters among the members of the various parties in the House. 
He may, at his discretion, consult with the representatives of the parties 
concerning such order and be guided by their advice. By not later than 
6:00 o'clock p.m. on any Monday, Tuesday or Thursday, Mr. Speaker 
shall indicate to the House the matter or matters to be raised at the 
time of adjournment that day. 

There shall be no appeal against any decision made by Mr. Speaker 
under the provisions of this Standing Order. 

7. Your Committee believes that the implementation of Standing Orders 
39(5) and 39- A, as noted above, will provide a basis for more effective use of 
the right of members to ask questions, but it also believes that the successful 
implementation of the proposal set out above will depend on the acceptance 
of certain guide-lines regarding questions asked prior to Orders of the Day. 
Your Committee recommends that the House accept and support the following 
guide-lines. 

(1) Questions asked prior to Orders of the Day should be governed 
by the provisions of Standing Order 39(1). 

(2) Such questions should 

(a) be asked only in respect of matters of sufficient urgency and 
importance as to require an immediate answer; 

(b) not inquire whether statements made in a newspaper are 
correct; 

(c) not require an answer involving a legal opinion; 

(d) not be asked in respect of a matter that is sub judice; 

(e) not be of a nature requiring a lengthy and detailed answer; 

(f) not raise a matter of policy too large to be dealt with as an 
answer to a question. 

(3) Answers to questions should be as brief as possible, should deal with 
the matter raised, and should not provoke debate. 

(2) NOTICES OF MOTIONS FOR PRODUCTION OF PAPERS 

8. To improve the handling of this order of business, your Committee 
makes two proposals. 

9. First, your Committee recommends that Standing Order 47 be amended 
by adding thereto a new sub-section (2), to read as follows: 



226 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Standing Order 47, Sub-Section (2) 

47. (2) When debate on a motion for the production of papers, 
under the order "Notices of Motions (Papers)", has taken place for a 
total time of two hours and thirty minutes, Mr. Speaker shall at that 
point interrupt the debate, whereupon a Minister of the Crown, whether 
or not such Minister has already spoken, may speak for not more than 
five minutes, following which the mover of the motion may close the 
debate by speaking for not more than five minutes. Unless the motion 
is withdrawn, as provided by Standing Order 49, Mr. Speaker shall forth- 
with put the question. 

10. Second, your Committee recommends that the House agree that Notices 
of Motions for Production of Papers, when called on Wednesdays, be handled 
in a manner similar to that now being practised with respect to written 
questions, namely, by an announcement that certain ones are accepted, certain 
ones accepted subject to standard qualifications, that certain ones might be 
called, and that the rest (subject to prior consultation with the movers) be 
allowed to stand. 

11. The two proposals respecting Notices of Motions for Production of 
Papers set out above are recommended for the same trial period already noted, 
namely from the day this Report is concurred in to the end of May, 1964. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 210 — Mr. Horner (Acadia) 

1. What members of the government and other officials went to Innsbruck, 
Austria, since January 1964, in connection with the Winter Olympic Games 
there? 

2. What was the means of transportation? 

3. What was the amount of the expenditures paid by or charged to the 
Government of Canada for each of the said persons? 

4. If a government aircraft was used, what is the estimated cost of operat- 
ing such aircraft, excluding depreciation? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 424 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. What is the number of the employees of the Canadian World Exhibition 
Corporation? 

2. What are the names, duties, salaries, qualifications and date of employ- 
ment of each of these employees? 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 

No. 447 — Mr. Howard 

1. Since January 1st, 1958 has the government or any agency or depart- 
ment thereof purchased any flags and, if so, were any of the said flags imported 
from other countries? 

2. If any such flags were so imported what was, in each year, by designa- 
tion of the flags, the number and value of each such designated flag so imported 
shown by the name of the country from which they were so imported? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



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STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: It is now five o'clock and so far as the Chair knows, or its 
advisers, this is the first time this has happened that we are still on starred 
questions. The rules and Standing Orders are quite definite, it seems to us, 
and without unanimous consent of the House we must proceed to Private Mem- 
bers' Business at this time. If the House would grant me one minute, I should 
like to put on the record my reason for reaching this conclusion. 

Our procedures at five o'clock are governed by a Standing Order which 
cannot be varied except by unanimous consent. Section (3) of Standing Order 
15 provides that Private Members' Notices of Motions must be taken on Mon- 
days at five o'clock. On the other hand, section (4) of the same Standing 
Order provides that when a debate on a Supply Motion is in progress at five 
o'clock, the order for Private Members' Business shall be suspended. 

The principal purpose of Standing Order 56, in my opinion, is that it 
limits to two days a Supply Motion, while at the same time ensuring, if pos- 
sible, that no other proceeding shall intercept or impose itself upon proceedings 
of a Supply Motion. However, it must be considered that the general rule 
governing the proceedings at five o'clock is section (3) of Standing Order 15, 
and that section (4) of the Standing Order provides for a specific exception 
thereto which, in my opinion, must be so interpreted. Therefore, I have come 
to the conclusion that, unless unanimous consent is granted, the House must 
proceed to Private Members' Business at this time. 



Accordingly, by unanimous consent, it was agreed that the hour for Private 
Members' Business be suspended. 



The Order for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply being 
read for the first time pursuant to Standing Order 56(2); 

Mr. Favreau for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That 
Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. MacLean (Queens), moved in amendment 
thereto, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word 
"That" and substituting therefor: 

"this House deplores the announced decision of the government to abandon 
its responsibilities for the administration of veterans hospitals by assigning 
and transferring certain veterans hospitals to provincial or municipal control, 
and further deplores the failure of the government to accept the request of the 
Royal Canadian Legion and other national veterans organizations that the 
administration and control of the veterans hospitals remain with the Depart- 
ment of Veterans Affairs." 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 

At ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Forgie, from the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs, presented 
the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto; 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 Members and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (n) be suspended in relation thereto; 

3. That it be given leave to sit while the House is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Forgie, seconded by Mr. Harley, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Nicholson, seconded by Mr. Tremblay, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed Resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency : — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the National Housing 
Act, 1954, 

(a) to provide further assistance to provinces and municipalities carry- 
ing out urban renewal programmes by authorizing Central Mortgage and Hous- 
ing Corporation (hereinafter referred to as "the Corporation") to make con- 
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the costs of such programmes, and for this purpose to provide for the payment 
out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of amounts not exceeding in the aggre- 
gate one hundred million dollars; 

(b) to authorize the Corporation to make loans and to insure loans made 
by approved lenders to owners of existing houses in areas included in urban 
renewal programmes; 

(c) to authorize the Corporation to make loans and contributions to pro- 
vincially or municipally owned housing agencies for constructing or acquiring 
public housing projects and operating such projects, and to authorize the Cor- 
poration to contribute a portion of the operating losses on any such projects that 
provide subsidized housing accommodation to individuals or families of low 
income; 

(d) to permit federal-provincial public housing projects to include exist- 
ing housing and hostel or dormitory type housing accommodation; 

(e) to authorize the Corporation to make loans to non-profit organiza- 
tions to assist in the acquistion or construction of housing accommodation for 
individuals or families of low income; 

(f) to authorize the Corporation to make loans to cooperative associations 
and charitable corporations to assist in the construction of accommodation for 
university students and their families and to increase from one hundred mil- 
lion dollars to one hundred and fifty million dollars the maximum amount 
that may be paid out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund for this purpose; 

(g) to authorize the Corporation to make loans to provinces to assist in 
the construction or expansion of sewage treatment projects and to authorize 
the Corporation to forgive repayment of twenty-five per cent of the principal 
and interest on any loans made to provinces or municipalities for this purpose 
in respect of work completed by March 31, 1967; 

(h) to increase from two billion dollars to two and one-half billion dol- 
lars the maximum charge on the Consolidated Revenue Fund for direct loans 
by the Corporation; 

(i) to provide for the establishment of a special account in the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund out of which amounts not exceeding in the aggregate one 
hundred million dollars may be advanced to the Corporation for the making 
of loans to the holders of mortgages issued in respect of loans insured under 
the Act and for the purchase by the Corporation of mortgages issued to secure 
such loans; 

(j) to increase the loan ratio for insured loans made to home owners and 
builders; and 

(k) to provide further for certain changes in the administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Favreau for 
Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the 
Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Churchill, seconded by Mr. MacLean 
(Queens), in amendment thereto, — That the motion be amended by deleting all 
the words after the word "That" and substituting therefor: 

"this House deplores the announced decision of the government to abandon 
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and transferring certain veterans hospitals to provincial or municipal control, 
and further deplores the failure of the government to accept the request of the 
Royal Canadian Legion and other national veterans organizations that the 
administration and control of the veterans hospitals remain with the Depart- 
ment of Veterans Affairs." 

And debate continuing; at 8.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted 
the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (d); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was nega- 
tived on the following division: 

Yeas 





Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Grafftey, 


Mcintosh, 


Pigeon, 


Alkenbrack, 


Gundlock, 


Madill, 


Pugh, 


Balcer, 


Hales, 


Mandziuk, 


Rapp, 


Baldwin, 


Harkness, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Rheaume, 


Bell, 


Herridge, 


Martineau, 


Ricard, 


Bigg, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Mather, 


Rynard, 


Brewin, 


South), 


Millar, 


Scott, 


Cantelon, 


Hov/e (Wellington- 


Monteith, 


Simpson, 


Cardiff, 


Huron), 


Moore, 


Slogan, 


Chatterton, 


Jorgenson, 


More, 


Smallwood, 


Churchill, 


Kennedy, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Smith, 


Clancy, 


Kindt, 


North and 


Southam, 


Coates, 


Knowles, 


Victoria), 


Starr, 


Cooper, 


Korchinski, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Stefanson, 


Grouse, 


Lamb, 


Nasserden, 


Stenson, 


Danforth, 


Lambert, 


Nesbitt, 


Thomas, 


Dinsdale, 


Loney, 


Nielsen, 


Valade, 


Doucett, 


MacEwan, 


Noble, 


Vincent, 


Douglas, 


Maclnnis, 


Nowlan, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Enns, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Nugent. 


Webb, 


Fane, 


Macquarrie, 


Ormiston, 


Webster, 


Fisher, 


MacRae, 


Pascoe, 


Willoughby, 


Fleming, 


McBain, 


Paul, 


Winch, 


Flemming, 


McCutcheon, 


Peters, 


Winkler, 


Forbes, 






Woolliams — 94. 



Nays 







Messrs: 




Addison, 


Brown, 


Deschatelets, 


Greene, 


Asselin, 


Byrne, 


Drouin, 


Gregoire, 


(Richmond-Wolfe), 


Cadieux, 


Dube, 


Groos, 


Badanai, 


Cameron 


Dupuis, 


Guay, 


Basford, 


(High Park), 


Emard, 


Habel, 


Batten, 


Cantin, 


Favreau, 


Hahn, 


Beaule, 


Cardin, 


Forest, 


Haidasz, 


Bechard, 


Caron, 


Forgie, 


Harley, 


Beer, 


Carter, 


Foy, 


Hellyer, 


Belanger, 


Chapdelaine, 


Francis, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Benidickson, 


Choquette, 


Gauthier, 


Klein, 


Benson, 


Chretien, 


Gelber, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Berger, 


Cowan, 


Gendron, 


Lachance, 


Blouin, 


Crossman, 


Godin, 


Laing, 


Boulanger, 


Davis, 


Granger, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Boutin, 


Deachman, 


Gray, 


Lamontagne, 


20222— 16i 









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Lamoureux, 


Mcllraith, 


Olson, 


Roxburgh, 


Laniel, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Patterson, 


Ryan, 


Laprise, 


McMillan, 


Pennell, 


Stewart, 


Latulippe, 


McNulty, 


Pepin, 


Tardif, 


Laverdiere, 


McWilliam, 


Perron, 


Teillet, 


Leboe, 


Marcoux, 


Pickersgill, 


Temple, 


Leduc, 


Matheson, 


Pilon, 


Thompson, 


Lessard 


Matte, 


Plourde, 


Tremblay, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Mitchell, 


Prud'homme, 


Tucker, 


Lessard 


Moreau, 


Richard, 


Turner, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Morison, 


Hideout, 


Wahn, 


Lloyd, 


Mullally, 


Rinfret, 


Walker, 


Loiselle, 


Munro, 


Robichaud, 


Watson 


Macaluso, 


Nicholson, 


Rock, 


(Chateauguay 


Macdonald, 


Nixon, 


Rondeau, 


Huntingdon- 


Mackasey, 


O'Keefe, 


Rouleau, 


Laprairie), 


MacNaught, 






Whelan— 123. 



And debate continuing on the main motion; at ten o'clock p.m., Mr. 
Speaker interrupted the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (f); 

And the question being put on the main motion, — That Mr. Speaker do now 
leave the Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply; it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The estimates of six departments were first taken up and entered for con- 
sideration, pursuant to Standing Order 56(5) (a), as follows: 

AGRICULTURE 

1 Departmental Administration including the National Co- 
ordinating Committee on Agricultural Services, con- 
tributions to Commonwealth Agricultural Bureaux and 
a contribution to the Agricultural Economics Research 
Council in an amount equal to the contributions of the 
Provinces but not exceeding $50,000 $3,368,900 00 

CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION 
1 Departmental Administration $1,130,500 00 



EXTERNAL AFFAIRS 

1 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 
payment of remuneration, subject to the approval 
of the Governor in Council and notwithstanding the 
Civil Service Act, in connection with the assignment 
by the Canadian Government of Canadians to the 
staffs of the International Organizations detailed in 
the Estimates (part recoverable from those Organi- 
zations) and authority to make recoverable advances 
in amounts not exceeding in the aggregate the 



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amounts of the shares of those Organizations of such 
expenses, and authority, notwithstanding the Civil 
Service Act, for the appointment and fixing of salaries 
of Commissioners (International Commissions for 
Supervision and Control in Indo-China), Secretaries 
and staff by the Governor in Council; official hospital- 
ity: relief and repatriation of distressed Canadian 
citizens abroad and their dependents and reimburse- 
ment of the United Kingdom for relief expenditures 
incurred by its diplomatic and consular posts on Cana- 
dian account (part recoverable) ; Canadian represen- 
tation at International Conferences; expenses of the 
Third Commonwealth Education Conference; a cul- 
tural relations and academic exchange program with 
the French Community, and grants as detailed in the 
Estimates $10,826,300 00 

LABOUR 

1 General Administration, including grants as detailed in the 
Estimates; the expenses of the International Labour 
Conferences; the promotion of labour-management 
co-operation; the promotion of a program for the em- 
ployment of the older worker; the promotion of a pro- 
gram for combatting seasonal unemployment; the 
organization and use of workers for farming and 
related industries; and the manpower consultative 
service $4,243,100 00 

NORTHERN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL RESOURCES 

1 Departmental Administration including Federal share of 
the expenses of the Secretariat for the Canadian Coun- 
cil of Resource Ministers and $120,000 for grants for 
northern research and for northern scientific research 
expeditions $1,591,500 00 

PUBLIC WORKS 

1 General Administration, including grants as detailed in 

the Estimates $12,114,500 00 

To be reported. 



Report received and the Committee of Supply obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.04 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



234 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

At 10.29 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m. pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Pennell, Basford, and Gray be substituted for those 
of Messrs. Kelly, Crossman and Habel on the Standing Committee on Bank- 
ing and Commerce. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Granger and Flemming (Victoria-Carleton) be sub- 
stituted for those of Messrs. Gray and Coates on the Standing Committee 
on Mines, Forests and Waters. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Scott and Loiselle be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Mather and Gray on the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a Circular Letter dated February 5, 1964, concerning Vaca- 
tion Leave Schedules, issued by the Regional Director, Air Services, Depart- 
ment of Transport, Vancouver, B.C. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders for Returns, namely: 

No. 366— Mr. Rideout 
1. For the 1962-63 fiscal year, what are the names, with postal addresses, 
of private printing firms which received contracts, or orders, from the Depart- 



236 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH 11 

ment of Public Printing and Stationery for offset printing, showing amounts 
in each case? 

2. For the 1962-63 fiscal year, what are the names, with postal addresses, 
of private printing firms which received contracts, or orders, from the Depart- 
ment of Public Printing and Stationery for letterpress printing, showing 
amounts in each case? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 633— Mr. Caouette 

With respect to the following books published by various federal govern- 
ment departments: 1. Weather Ways, Harvey Johnson, illus. Norm Steinhaur, 
Department of Transport, 2. Geology and Economic Minerals of Canada, by 
officers of the Geological Survey of Canada, Edited by C. H. Stockwell, 
Department of Mines and Technical Surveys, 3. A Guide to Geology for 
Visitors in Canada's National Parks, -by David M. Baird, National Parks Branch, 
Department of Northern , Affairs and National Resources, Canada (a) are 
they translated into French (b) what is the price of each (c) what was the 
date of first printing of each (d) what was the last date of printing, in English 
and in French (e) for what use are they intended (f) are they available 
to the public (g) are they used in Canadian schools (h) are they used in 
Quebec schools and, if so, since what date (i) have the departments concerned 
received any requests for these volumes? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 641— Mr. Caouette 

1. How many expeditionary forces does the U.N. have in various parts of 
the world and on what date was each formed? 

2. Where is each of these forces located, and what are the duties of each? 

3. How many people, civilian and military, are in these forces? 

4. What expenditures are involved in maintaining these forces? 

5. Does Canada take part in the organization and in the operations of these 
forces and, if so, how many Canadians are there in these forces? 

6. In which forces are there Canadian members; and in what parts of the 
world are they serving? 

7. How many Canadians, military and civilian, are presently serving in 
(a) the Congo (b) Cyprus (c) Gaza? 

8. How long have Canadians been in the Congo? 

9. What is the nature of the Canadians' work in the Congo? 

10. How much is Canada spending, or how much has Canada spent, to 
keep these men in the Congo? 

11. How many Canadians, military and civilian, are serving on a mission 
in Gaza? 

12. How long have these Canadians been in Gaza? 



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13. What is the nature of their mission in Gaza? 

14. How much has Canada spent on the Gaza mission since it began? 

15. When will the Gaza mission's work end? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 21, 22, 47, 78, 79, 
80, 81, 84, 87, 88, 89, 92, 99, 102, 104, and 105 having been called were allowed 
to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 
grams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert Lessard, 
of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Solicitor General, since March 1, 
1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 36). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1984, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 
grams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert Lessard, 
of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Minister of National Health and 
Welfare or the Deputy Ministers or any officials of that Department, since 
March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 37 — Mr. 
Langlois). 



On motion of Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Latulippe, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 
grams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert Lessard, 
of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Minister of Fisheries or the Deputy 
Minister or any officials of his Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 46). 



On motion of Mr. Dinsdale, seconded by Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), 
it was ordered, — That there be laid before this House a copy of all corres- 
pondence, telegrams, and other documents received by the Government of 
Canada with respect to the implementation of the 11% sales tax on re-tread 
tires. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 97). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters written, or telegrams 
sent, by the Prime Minister between February 17 and March 20, 1964, 
relating to the proposed functions of a Parliamentary Committee to study the 
Canada Pension Plan. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
101 — Mr. Aiken). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any agency or 



238 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

branch thereof and any person, group or organization relating to the govern- 
ment docks at Haileybury, Ontario. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 103 — Mr. Peters). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
between June 21, 1957, and April 22, 1963, between any member of the Gov- 
ernment of Newfoundland and the Minister of Northern Affairs and National 
Resources regarding additional federal assistance for Indians and Eskimos in 
Labrador. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 106 — Mr. 
Granger). 



Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries 
Commissions to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the 
Provinces in the House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of 
such Representation in accordance therewith, was again considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and further progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 11 under this heading having been called a second time was, by 
unanimous consent, allowed to stand and retain its position on the Order 
Paper. 



Mr. Southam, seconded by Mr. Watson (Assiniboia) moved, — That, in the 
opinion of this House, the government should consider the advisability of amend- 
ing the Income Tax Act, section (10) subsection (3) so that elected trustees of 
"Larger School Units" be entitled to the same exemptions of their regular in- 
demnities for income tax purposes as those presently allowed to elected mem- 
bers of municipal corporations. — (Notice of Motion No. 13). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Defence 
Production for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 34 of the 
Defence Production Act, chapter 62, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 22nd APRIL 239 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 8, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert 
Lessard, of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Minister of National Revenue 
or the Deputy Minister or any officials of his Department, since March 1, 1963. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 43). 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Gregoire, from his place in the House, asked leave under Standing 
Order 26 to move the adjournment of the House for the purpose of discussing 
a definite matter of urgent public importance, and stated the matter to be: 

"The extension of the Winter Works Programme beyond April 30th in 
designated areas." 

Mr. Speaker, using citation 100(8) of Beauchesne's 4th Edition as his 
authority, decided that the matter was not one of sudden emergency as con- 
templated by Standing Order 26. 

And the honourable Member for Villeneuve (Mr. Caouette) having stated 
that he wished to appeal to the House from the decision of the Chair; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: Honourable Members will recall that on April 7, 1964, at page 
1845 of Hansard, the House sustained a ruling of the Chair to the effect that 
there was no appeal from a decision made by the Speaker under Standing 
Order 26. The House, having already taken a decision on this matter, 
it is my view that it cannot be questioned again during the current session 
and must stand as the judgment of the House. In this regard I wish to refer 
honourable Members to May's 16th edition at page 400, Bourinot's 4th edition 
at page 328, and Beauchesne's 4th edition, citation 200(1). For the above 
reason, I cannot permit this appeal. 



And the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) having stated 
that he wished to appeal to the House from the latter decision of the Chair; 



242 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: Under the Standing Orders given to me by all honourable 
Members of the House, I must exercise my jurisdiction and say there is no 
appeal from that decision. 

I would like to call to the honourable Member's attention Beauchesne's 
4th edition, citation 200, paragraph (1): "An old rule of Parliament reads: 
'That a question, being once made and carried in the affirmative or negative, 
cannot be questioned again but must stand as the judgment of the House'." 

It seems to me that the Chair has given a full and detailed explanation, 
and I must ask the honourable Member for Lapointe to accept the decision 
of the Chair. 

The honourable Member for Villeneuve is not appealing my decision, as 
stated in that way; he is appealing the decision rendered by all Members in 
this House, which has been put to the vote and decided by the Members in 
the House. That decision I am applying this afternoon, and that decision 
I am not going to change. 

The honourable Member for Lapointe has heard the reasons given, which 
are good, logical reasons adopted and accepted by Members in this House. 
That is the decision of the House. 



Bill C-72, An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries 
Commissions to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the 
Provinces in the House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of 
such Representation in accordance therewith, was again considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 25(3)] 
[Notices of Motions (Papers) ] 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before 
this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged between the Department 
of National Revenue and the American Authorities under the Tax Agreement 
between Canada and the United States with regard to the Eaton-Kaye case 
and any opinions which may have been obtained from the American Authori- 
ties on the position of the securities and investment involved in the estate 
of the late Mrs. Eaton-Kaye since January 1, 1961. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 98). 

After debate thereon, the said motion was, by unanimous consent, with- 
drawn. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-72, 
An Act to provide for the establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commissions 
to report upon the Readjustment of the Representation of the Provinces in the 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 23rd APRIL 243 

House of Commons and to provide for the Readjustment of such Represen- 
tation in accordance therewith, and further progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.05 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Address, dated December 4, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged 
between the government or any agency or branch thereof and any other 
organization, person or government since April 8, 1963 dealing with the proposed 
closing of the Unemployment Insurance Commission Office at Kitimat, B.C. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 171). 



At 10.20 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Harley, from the Special Committee on Food and Drugs, presented the 
First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That its quorum be reduced from 13 to 8 Members; and 

2. That it be empowered to sit while the House is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Mackasey, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Moreau, from the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation 
thereto; and 

2. That it be given leave to sit while the House is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Moreau, seconded by Mr. Dube, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



246 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant 
to Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 8 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Mather, seconded 
by Mr. Knowles, — That Bill C-28, An Act to amend the Canada Fair Employ- 
ment Practices Act (Age Discrimination) be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Howard, moved, — That the said bill be not 
now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to the 
Standing Committee on Industrial Relations. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 

(1) Copy of a letter from the Minister of Justice, dated April 20, 1964, 
addressed to the Prime Minister of Canada on the subject of the transfer of 
certain functions from the Minister of Agriculture of the Minister of Forestry 
and their re-transfer to the Minister of Agriculture; 

(2) Order in Council P.C. 1964-477, dated April 6, 1964, transferring from 
the Department of National Defence to the Departments of Public Works and 
Transport certain matters, pursuant to the Public Service Rearrangement and 
Transfer of Duties Act and certain other Acts; and 

(3) Order in Council P.C. 1964-600, dated April 23, 1964, concerning the 
transfer of certain functions from the Minister of Agriculture to the Minister 
of Forestry and their re-transfer to the Minister of Agriculture and authorizing 
certain actions taken between February 3, 1964 and April 23, 1964. 

By Mr. Pearson, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, — 
Report of the Royal Commission on Banking and Finance (Chief Justice Dana 
H. Porter, Chairman), dated February 5, 1964. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated March 25, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams or other documents exchanged between the government, or any 
agency or branch thereof and any other person, organization, or group since 
January 1, 1963 relating to dogfish (Squalus suckleyi) control measures. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 65). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 15, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams and documents, concerning the Chambord Post Office, ex- 
changed between Mr. Ludger Bouchard of Chambord, Roberval County, and the 
Postmaster-General, the Deputy Postmaster-General, or other employees of 
that Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 95). 



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At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m. (Eastern Daylight Saving Time) 
pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Appendices to the Final Report of the Fraser River Board on Flood Control and 
Hydro-Electric Power in the Fraser River Basin, tabled March 10, 1964. 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Text of Canada-United Kingdom Cereals Arrangements: Special Arrange- 
ments for Canadian Wheat Flour, dated April 15, 1964. (English and French). 

Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Text of the Speech by U.S. Under Secretary of State George W. Ball, deliv- 
ered April 26, 1964, at Harriman, New York, entitled "Interdependence: The 
Basis for U.S. -Canada Relations". 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Bell, seconded by Mr. MacEwan, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of reviving the 
Canadian Merchant Marine. — (Notice of Motion No. 11). 



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And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Ways and Means resumed, and progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.03 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of National 
Health and Welfare for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 
10 of the Department of National Health and Welfare Act, chapter 74, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report on the Administration of Allowances for Blind Persons in Canada for the 
year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 12 of the Blind Persons Act. 
chapter 17, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Miss LaMarsh, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report on the Administration of Allowances for Disabled Persons in Canada 
for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 12 of the Disabled Per- 
sons Act, chapter 55, Statutes of Canada, 1953-54. 

By Miss LaMarsh, by command of His Excellency the Governor-General, — 
Report on the Administration of Old Age Assistance in Canada for the year 
ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 12 of the Old Age Assistance Act, 
chapter 199, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 10.27 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Girouard, moved, — That the matters raised 
by the honourable Member for Labelle (Mr. Girouard) in his question of priv- 
ilege as reported in Hansard for Monday, April 27, 1964, be referred to the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections for consideration and report. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Mr. Pennell, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in relation 
thereto; 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (d) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pennell, seconded by Mr. Pilon, 
the said Report was concurred in. 

Mr. Mackasey, from the Standing Committee on Industrial Relations, pre- 
sented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to print such papers 
and evidence as may be ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 
66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Mackasey, seconded by Mr. Les- 
sard (Saint-Henri), the said Report was concurred in. 



252 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Loiselle, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be granted leave to sit while the House is sitting. 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (c) be suspended in relation thereto. 

3. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Loiselle, seconded by Mr. Leduc, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Leboe be substituted for that of Mr. Girouard on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Webb be substituted for that of Mr. Nesbitt on the Standing 
Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Nugent be substituted for that of Mr. Crouse on the Standing 
Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 3 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-19, An Act with 
respect to Hospital and University Sweepstakes; 

Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Ricard, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 28th APRIL 253 

The Committee of Ways and Means resumed. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INCOME TAX ACT 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the In- 
come Tax Act and to provide among other things: 

1. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years the deduction from 
income granted in respect of certain tuition fees be extended to include tuition 
fees paid by a taxpayer who is a student, whether or not he is a full-time 
student, to an educational institution in Canada 

(a) that is a university, college or other educational institution providing 
courses at a post-secondary school level, 

(b) that is a school operated by or on behalf of Her Majesty in right of 
Canada or a province, a municipality in Canada, or a municipal or 
public body performing a function of government in Canada, 

(c) that is a high school or secondary school providing courses leading to 
a secondary school certificate or diploma that is a requirement for 
entrance to a college or university, or 

(d) that is certified b> the Minister of Labour to be an educational institu- 
tion by which courses are conducted that provide or improve the 
qualifications of a person for employment or for the carrying on of 
a business or profession. 

if the tuition fees paid by the taxpayer for the year exceed $25. 

2. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years a dependant in respect 
of whom a taxpayer may deduct an amount not exceeding $550 in computing 
his taxable income shall include a taxpayer's brother or sister who was 21 
years of age or over and in full-time attendance at a school or university. 

3. That the period commencing on December 5, 1963 within which a new 
manufacturing or processing business must have commenced manufacturing or 
processing in reasonable commercial quantities in a designated area in order 
to obtain a certificate for the purposes of section 71 A of the Act be extended to 
March 31, 1967. 

4. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years in determining whether 
95 per cent of the assets used in a business were new and situated in a 
designated area, for purposes of establishing under section 71 A of the Act that 
a person was carrying on the business in a designated area, the value of the 
assets shall be their fair market value notwithstanding that such value may be 
different from their capital cost. 

5. That where at a time when an area was a designated area a business 
has been certified to be a new manufacturing or processing business, or an 
application has been made in writing to the Minister of Industry by a taxpayer 
in respect of a business that upon the fulfilment of specified conditions would 
be certified to be a new manufacturing or processing business in the designated 
area, that area, notwithstanding that it may no longer be a designated area, 
shall for the purpose of the application of section 71 A of the Act to that 
particular business continue to be a designated area. 

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6. That for the 1962 and subsequent taxation years a taxpayer may deduct 
in computing income all expenditures of a current nature for scientific research 
carried on outside Canada that are expenditures made in the year 

(a) for scientific research related to the taxpayer's business directly under- 
taken by or on behalf of the taxpayer, or 

(b) to an approved association, university, college, research institute or 
other similar institution to be used for scientific research related to 
the taxpayer's business. 

7. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years a taxpayer may deduct 
in computing income amounts expended by him in relation to an objection to 
an assessment or an appeal from an assessment and shall include in computing 
income any costs recovered in respect thereof. 

8. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years a taxpayer may deduct 
in computing income an amount paid in the year or in a previous year since 
1962 as a contribution to or under a registered pension fund or plan in respect 
of services rendered by him in past years while he was a contributor even if 
he also deducts an amount as a contribution in respect of services rendered by 
him in past years while he was not a contributor, but the maximum amount 
deductible in a year in respect of past services while he was a contributor 
shall not exceed $1,500 minus the aggregate of the amounts deducted in the 
year in respect of services rendered by him in the year and in respect of 
services rendered by him previous to the year while he was not a contributor. 

9. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years the period of 60 days 
from the end of a year within which an employer may pay an amount to or 
under a registered pension fund or plan in respect of services rendered by his 
employees be increased to 120 days. 

10. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years it be made clear that 
any amount received by an employer upon the winding up or reorganization 
of a pension fund or plan shall be included in his income. 

11. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years subsection (3) of sec- 
tion 12 of the Act, which provides rules concerning an outlay or expense pay- 
able by a taxpayer to a person with whom he was not dealing at arm's length, 
be amended so that a taxpayer who at the end of his taxation year has a lia- 
bility that 

(a) arose in respect of a non-arm's length transaction, 

(b) was deductible in computing his income, and 

(c) has been outstanding for two years following the end of the taxation 
year in which it accrued 

must include in income for the third year after it accrued an amount equal to 
the liability, unless the debtor and creditor sign and file an agreement in which 
they elect to have their taxes computed as though the debt had been paid and 
replaced by a loan on the first day of that third year. 

12. That the 20 per cent rate of tax payable by a non-resident person 
on dividends paid or credited to him after 1964 by a corporation resident in 



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Canada that does not have a degree of Canadian ownership be reduced to 15 
per cent, and that in consequence thereof: 

(a) Part IID of the Act imposing a tax equal to 5 per cent of certain 
dividends paid by a corporation that does not have a degree of Cana- 
dian ownership be repealed; 

(b) the 20 per cent rate of tax imposed by Part IIIA of the Act on income 
earned after 1964 by a non-resident corporation carrying on business 
in Canada be reduced to 15 per cent; and 

(c) the 20 per cent rate of tax imposed on the taxable income earned after 
1964 by a non-resident-owned investment corporation be reduced to 
15 per cent. 

13. That for the 1964 and subsequent taxation years, where a taxpayer has 
disposed of his interest in a partnership, such part of the consideration as is 
reasonable in the circumstances shall be deemed to be proceeds of disposition 
of depreciable property of the taxpayer used in the partnership business. 

14. That for the 1964 taxation year the amount deductible in computing 
taxable income in respect of a dependent child who was over 15 and under 
18 years of age at the end of the year shall not exceed $470 if an allowance 
was paid under the Family Allowances Act in respect of the child for any 
month after the month in which he attained the age of 16 years. 

15. That for the 1965 and subsequent taxation years, a child shall 
be regarded as a child qualified for family allowance for any year at the end 
of which he was over 15 and under 18 years of age, if an allowance under 
the Family Allowances Act was paid in the year in respect of that child after 
the month in which he attained the age of 16 years. 

16. That with regard to the definition of degree of Canadian ownership in 
section 139A of the said Act, the said measure provide as follows: 

"(1) Subparagraph (ii) of paragraph (a) of subsection (1) of section 
139A of the said Act is repealed and the following substituted therefor: 
"(ii) either 

(A) not less than 25% of the issued and outstanding shares of 
the corporation having full voting rights under all circum- 
stances were owned by one or more individuals resident in 
Canada, one or more corporations controlled in Canada or a 
combination thereof, and equity shares representing in the 
aggregate not less than 25% of that part of the paid-up capi- 
tal of the corporation that was represented by all the issued 
and outstanding equity shares of the corporation were owned 
by one or more individuals resident in Canada, one or more 
corporations controlled in Canada, or a combination thereof, 
or 

(B) a class or classes of shares of the corporation having full 
voting rights under all circumstances were listed on a pre- 
scribed stock exchange in Canada, and it is established in 
prescribed manner that no one non-resident person and no 
one corporation that did not comply with clause (A) of this 
subparagraph owned more than 75% of the issued and out- 
standing shares of the corporation having full voting rights 
under all circumstances, alone or in combination with any 
other person related to such non-resident person or such cor- 

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poration at any time within the period within the meaning 
of subsection (5a) or (5b) of section 139, and a class or 
classes of equity shares of the corporation representing in the 
aggregate not less than 50% of that part of the paid-up capi- 
tal of the corporation that was represented by all the issued 
and outstanding equity shares of the corporation were listed 
on a prescribed stock exchange in Canada, and it is estab- 
lished in prescribed manner that no one non-resident person 
and no one corporation that did not comply with clause (A) 
of this subparagraph owned equity shares representing in 
the aggregate more than 75% of that part of the paid-up 
capital of the corporation that was represented by all the 
issued and outstanding equity shares of the corporation, 
alone or in combination with any other person related to 
such non-resident person or such corporation at any time 
within the period within the meaning of subsection (5a) or 
(5b) of section 139, and" 

(2) Subsection (1) of section 139A of the said Act is further amended 
by striking out the word "or" at the end of paragraph (a) thereof, by repeal- 
ing paragraph (b) thereof and by substituting therefor the following para- 
graphs: 

"(b) the corporation complied with the conditions specified in subpara- 
graphs (i) and (iii) of paragraph (a) and was a subsidiary wholly- 
owned corporation subsidiary to a corporation that throughout the 
sixty-day period complied with the conditions specified in paragraph 
(a) or (c) ; or 
(c) the corporation complied with the conditions specified in subpara- 
graphs (i) and (iii) of paragraph (a) and was a subsidiary controlled 
corporation 

(i) having issued and outstanding equity shares none of which were 
owned by a person other than 

(A) the corporation to which it was subsidiary, 

(B) a non-resident person not related to the corporation to which 
it was subsidiary, 

(C) an individual resident in Canada, or 

(D) a corporation controlled in Canada, and 

(ii) subsidiary to a corporation that throughout the sixty-day period 
complied with the conditions specified in paragraph (a) or (b)." 

(3) Paragraphs (a) and (b) of subsection (2) of section 139A of the said 
Act are repealed and the following substituted therefor: 

"(a) a corporation that has share capital is not controlled in Canada at a 
particular time unless at that time the corporation is resident in 
Canada, and more than 50% of its issued and outstanding shares 
having full voting rights under all circumstances, and shares repre- 
senting in the aggregate more than 50% of its paid-up capital are 
owned by 

(i) individuals resident in Canada, 
(ii) corporations resident in Canada with respect to each of which 

(A) more than 50% of the issued shares having full voting rights 
under all circumstances, and 

(B) shares representing in the aggregate more than 50% of the 
paid-up capital 

are owned by individuals resident in Canada, or 
(iii) any combination of individuals or corporations described in sub- 
paragraph (i) or (ii) ; 



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(b) where 

(i) a non-resident person, 
(ii) a corporation that does not have a degree of Canadian ownership, 

or 
(iii) a corporation that is related to a non-resident person within the 

meaning of subsection (5a) or (5b) of section 139 
has a right under a contract in equity or otherwise either immediately 
or in the future and either absolutely or contingently, to, or to acquire, 
equity shares in a corporation, those shares shall 

(iv) unless the right is contingent upon an event that it is not reason- 
able to expect to occur within a reasonable time, or 
(v) unless the right is such that a reasonable man concerned only 

with the value of the shares would not exercise it, 
be deemed 

(vi) to be owned by the person who has the right, 

(vii) to be owned by a non-resident person, where the person who has 
the right is a corporation described in subparagraph (ii) or (iii), 
and 
(viii) where the shares are unissued, 

(A) to be issued and outstanding, and 

(B) to have a paid-up capital value, with respect to each share, 
equal to 

1 . the par value, where the shares have a par value, 

2 . the amount that would be paid with respect to each 
share to exercise the right under the terms of the con- 
tract, where the shares have no par value and an amount 
is specified in the contract, or 

3. the market value at the end of the relevant sixty-day 
period of a share of the class of shares of that corpora- 
tion that is most closely similar to that share, where the 
shares have no par value and no amount is specified in 
the contract, 

and any other person who actually owns the shares in respect of 
which that right exists shall be deemed not to own those shares." 
(4) Subsection (2) of section 139A of the said Act is further amended 
by striking out the word "and" at the end of paragraph (c) thereof and by 
adding thereto the following paragraphs: 
"(e) "equity share" means 

(i) a share, the owner of which has, as owner thereof, a right 

(A) to a dividend, and 

(B) to a part of the surplus of the corporation after repayment 
of capital, upon the redemption of the share, a reduction of 
the capital of the corporation or the winding-up of the cor- 
poration, 

as great as the right of the owner of any other share of the cor- 
poration, when the magnitude of the right in each case is expressed 
as a rate based on the paid-up capital value of the share to which 
the right relates, and 
(ii) a share, the owner of which has, as owner thereof, a right 

(A) to a dividend, after a dividend at a rate not in excess of 8% 
per annum has been paid to the owners of shares of a class 
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(B) to a part of the surplus of the corporation after repayment 
of capital, upon the redemption of the share, a reduction of 
the capital of the corporation or the winding-up of the cor- 
poration, after a payment of a part of the surplus at a rate 
not in excess of 10% has been made to the owners of shares 
of a class other than the class to which that share belongs, 
as great as the right of the owner of any other share of the cor- 
poration, when the magnitude of the right in each case is ex- 
pressed as a rate based on the paid-up capital value of the share 
to which the right relates; and 
(/) "paid-up capital value" with reference to a share, means 

(i) in the case of an unissued share that is deemed by paragraph (b) 
to be issued and outstanding, the amount determined under 
clause (B) of subparagraph (viii) of that paragraph, and 
(ii) in any other case, an amount equal to the paid-up capital of the 
corporation that is represented by the shares of the class to which 
that share belongs divided by the number of shares of that class 
that are in fact issued and outstanding." 

(5) In the case of a taxation year commencing before January 1, 1965, of 
a corporation that would have had a degree of Canadian ownership in the 
1964 taxation year if section 139 A of the said Act had not been amended by 
this Act, that portion of subsection (1) of section 139 A of the said Act, as 
amended by this Act, that precedes paragraph (a) thereof shall, if the cor- 
poration elects in prescribed manner before January 1, 1965, be read as fol- 
lows: 

"139A. (1) For the purposes of this Act, a corporation has a degree of Cana- 
dian ownership in a taxation year if throughout any sixty-day period com- 
mencing after March 16, 1964 and ending before January 1, 1965" 

(6) This section is applicable to the 1964 and subsequent taxation years." 

and for the purpose of determining whether a corporation had a degree of 
Canadian ownership for the purposes of paragraph (b) of subsection (la) of 
section 106 of the said Act, section 139 A of the said Act shall 

(a) in relation to any dividend declared on or before March 16, 1964 be 
read as if it had not been amended by the said measure, and 

(b) in relation to any dividend declared after March 16, 1964 be read as 
amended by the said measure. 

17. That the income tax otherwise payable by an individual in respect of 
income earned in a province of Canada be reduced by 

(a) 21% for the 1965 taxation year, 
rather than 19%, and 

(b) 24% for the 1966 taxation year, 
rather than 20%. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in and the Committee 
of Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



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Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, presented Bill 
C-91, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.01 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of 
Wednesday, April 22, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.22 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Gregoire, Fisher and Scott be substituted for 
those of Messrs. Plourde, Brewin and Howard respectively on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following thirteen Questions 
were made Orders for Returns, namely: 

No. 124 — Mr. Belanger 

1. What amounts has the federal government collected in the Province of 
Quebec in 1962, in sales tax, income tax, customs duties, excise tax and from 
other sources? 

2. What amounts has the federal government spent in the Province of 
Quebec in 1962, for public works, welfare, subsidies or for other purposes? 

No. 247 — Mr. Dinsdale 

1. What was the total cost of the Royal Commission on (a) Indian Affairs 
(1946) (b) Japanese Property Losses (1947) (c) Veterans' Pensions (1947) 
(d) Fraser Valley Relief (1948) (e) Prices (1948) (f) Government Organiza- 
tion (1960), and (g) the Committee of inquiry into the Unemployment In- 
surance Act (1961)? 

2. What are the costs to date and projected costs of the Royal Comis- 
sion on (a) Health Services (1961) (5) Banking and Finance (1961) (c) Taxa- 
tion (1962) (d) Pilotage (1962)? 

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No. 252 — Mr. Mather 
What is the approximate total of Canadian federal, provincial, municipal 
and private debt? 

No. 255 — Mr. Caouette 
What are the latest available statistics on (a) Canada's gross debt and 
net debt (b) the gross debt and net debt of each province (c) the gross debt 
and net debt of municipalities (d) the gross debt and net debt of school boards 
(e) the gross debt and net debt of Crown corporations (f) debts owed by 
Canadians to finance companies for consumer goods (g) debts owed by Cana- 
dians for purchases of commercial goods (h) debts owed by Canadians on 
mortgage loans (i) debts owed by Canadians to banks and credit unions for 
personal loans (j) debts owed by Canadians to small loan companies (k) debts 
owed by Canadians for installment purchases (I) total Canadian indebtedness 
to the United States (m) total Canadian indebtedness to overseas governments 
(n) gross national product (o) total currency in circulation (p) total of bank- 
notes and coins in circulation? 

No. 275 — Mr. Howard 

1. Since January 1, 1962, have any contracts been awarded to Canadair 
Limited and, if so, with respect to each such contract, what is (a) its nature 
(b) its date of completion (c) the amount thereof (d) the number of employees 
(i) actual or (ii) estimated employed in the fulfilment of the contract (e) the 
number of man-hours of employment (i) actual or (ii) estimated consumed 
in the fulfilment of the contract (f) the ratio between the number of (i) em- 
ployees or (ii) man-hours of employment and the total number of employees 
or man-hours of employment effective at Canadair? 

2. As a result of government activities, is any increase in employment 
forecast for Canadair for the next six months and, if so, what is this forecast 
expressed in terms of employees and man-hours, both absolute and as a ratio 
to the total work force? 

3. Does the government plan any additional steps to ensure that the num- 
ber of hourly-paid employees at Canadair is increased and, if so, what in detail 
are these steps? 

No. 278 — Mr. Howard 

1. Since January 1, 1962, have any contracts been awarded by any federal 
government department or agency to Fairy Aviation Ltd. at Dartmouth, N.S. 
or Pat Bay, B.C. on a cost-plus basis and, if so, what were the contracts for, 
their amount, and the date each contract was awarded? 

2. What contracts, other than those referred to in part 1, have been 
awarded by any federal government department or agency to Fairy Aviation 
Ltd., Dartmouth, N.S. and Pat Bay, B.C. since January 1, 1962, listed by the 
amount, the date each contract was awarded and the nature of the contract? 

3. If tenders were called what was the name of the unsuccessful company 
or companies and the amount of each bid? 

No. 303 — Mr. Langlois 

1. From December 1961 to December 1962, how much money has the federal 
government allocated to university students (a) in Canada (b) in the Province 
of Quebec? 

2. What has been the amount received in the case of each university in 
1962 and 1963? 

3. What are the specific purposes, if any, of such scholarships or grants? 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 29th APRIL 263 

*No. 329— Mr. Marcoux 

1. How many letters and petitions has the government received since April 
8, 1963 in favour of a truly distinctive flag for Canada? 

2. How many signatures did these letters and petitions bear? 

No. 350 — Mr. Latulippe 
In 1962-63, how many private firms were awarded contracts or orders by 
the Department of Public Printing and Stationery, and what were the amounts 
in each case? 

Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 373 — Mr. Boulanger 
What is the total amount of all the contracts awarded or orders placed 
without public tenders, between April 21, 1962 and April 21, 1963, for each 
individual government department and Crown corporation? 

No. 407— Mr. Smith 
Has the firm of Tandy-Richards Advertising Limited been hired or given 
any Public Relations contract or work by any government agency, Crown cor- 
poration or government department since April 8, 1963, and, if so, what contracts 
and at what value? 

No. 451 — Mr. Jorgenson 

1. How many legal advisors were engaged by the Farm Credit Corporation 
to process loans approved by the Corporation prior to April 22, 1963? 

2. How many of these advisors have been replaced since April 22, 1963? 

3. By provinces (a) what were the names and addresses of the legal advi- 
sors whose services were discontinued (b) the names and addresses of the 
advisors appointed to replace each? 

Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 

No. 526 — Mr. Caouette 

1. How much has the government spent in Lotbiniere County since Janu- 
ary 1, 1963, under the butter subsidy programme (at 12 cents per pound)? 

2. Since October 31, 1963, (a) how many pounds of butter have been 
stored in the constituency of Lotbiniere (b) what is the market value of this 
butter (c) what have been the total storage charges (d) what private organi- 
zations or individuals store this butter in the constituency of Lotbiniere (e) 
when did each of these organizations get into business? 

3. For each of the years 1962 and 1963, and since January 1, 1964, (a) 
how many requests for farm loans did the government receive from Lotbiniere 
County (b) how many loans were approved (c) what is the total amount of 
loans approved? 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 

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264 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

grams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert Lessard, of 
Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Minister of Veterans Affairs or the 
Deputy Minister or any officials of his Department, since March 1, 1963. — (No- 
tice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 47 — Mr. Langlois) . 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of every report made by any 
contracting authority as defined in paragraph 2 (c) of the Government Con- 
tracts Regulations (since April 8, 1963) to the Treasury Board as required by 
paragraph 8 of the Government Contracts Regulations. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 80 — Mr. Nielsen). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of every report made by any con- 
tracting authority as denned in paragraph 2 (c) of the Government Contracts 
Regulations (since April 8, 1963) to the Treasury Board as required by para- 
graph 11 of the Government Contracts Regulations. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 81 — Mr. Nielsen). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all briefs, plans, submissions 
or treatises prepared by staff members at the British Columbia Penitentiary 
since January 1, 1960, regarding drug addiction and treatment thereof and any 
other penological concepts. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 92 — Mr. Howard). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 99 was allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Addison, seconded by Mr. McWilliam, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 
grams or other documents exchanged between Air Terminal Transport Limi- 
ted of Toronto and the Department of Transport, and also any correspondence 
between Trans-Canada Air Lines and the Department of Transport that re- 
lates to Air Terminal Transport Limited of Toronto. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 102). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
between June 21, 1957, and April 22, 1963, between any member of the Gov- 
ernment of Newfoundland and the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration 
regarding additional federal assistance for Indians and Eskimos in Labrador. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 105 — Mr. Granger). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters, memoranda or other 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 29th APRIL 265 

documents exchanged since the 22nd of April 1963, between the government 
and any municipality within the National Capital area, concerning the possible 
setting up of a National Capital District. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 107 — Mr. Martineau) . 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all letters, memoranda or other 
documents exchanged between the Canadian Government, on the one hand, and 
the Governments of the Provinces of Quebec and Ontario, on the other hand, 
since the 22nd of April 1963, concerning the setting up of a National Capital 
District. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 108 — Mr. Mar- 
tineau). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence between the 
Minister of Labour or any official of his Department, and the Government of 
Quebec, concerning the extension of the winter works period. — (Notice of Mo- 
tion for the Production of Papers No. 109 — Mr. Lessard (Lac- Saint- Jean)) . 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all orders by the Minister of 
National Revenue since April 18, 1961 under the provisions of Section 38 of 
the Customs Act for the purpose of fixing duties. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. Ill — Mr. Moreau). 



Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Woolliams, moved, — That an Order of 
the House do issue for a copy of all maps, drawn up or deposited with the 
Chief Electoral Officer or the Representation Commissioner, pertaining to the 
proposed redistribution of electoral boundaries in Canada. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 112). 

And the question being proposed; 

The Honourable the Minister of Transport (Mr. Pickersgill) stated that 
he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47 as provision- 
ally amended on April 20, 1964. 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a list, by name or number, of all paroles 
revoked in the City of Montreal during the year 1963, giving in each case the 
grounds for the revocation and the name of the Judge involved.— (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 113 — Mr. Orlikow). 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's 
Privy Council, laid before the House, — Copy of two Statements from Nicosia, 
dated April 28, 1964, made by Lieutenant-General P. S. Gyani, UNFICYP 
Commander, relating to the Cyprus problem. 



266 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolutions were adopted: 

CUSTOMS TARIFF 

Resolved, — 1. That Schedule A to the Customs Tariff be amended by strik- 
ing out tariff items 219a, 326m, 326n, 399a, 410c, 410d, 410e, 683 and 848, and 
the enumerations of goods and the rates of duty set opposite each of these 
items, and by inserting therein the following items, enumerations of goods and 
rates of duty: 





Most- 




British 


Favoured- 




Preferential 


N at ion 


General 


Tariff 


Tariff 


Tariff 



Tariff 

Item 

46a Bread made with the use of yeast as the leavening substance . Free Free 20 p. c. 

219a Non-alcoholic chemicals for disinfecting, or for pre- 
venting, destroying, repelling or mitigating fungi, 
weeds, insects, rodents, or other plant or animal 
pests, n.o.p.; non-alcoholic preparations compounded 
exclusively for disinfecting or for preventing, destroy- 
ing, repelling or mitigating fungi, weeds, insects, 
rodents, or other plant or animal pests, n.o.p.: — 

(1) When in packages not exceeding three pounds 

each, gross weight Free 12| p.c. 25 p.c. 

(2) Otherwise Free Free 15 p.c. 

225d Montanwax Free Free 10 p.c. 

287b Undecorated tableware of china, porcelain, semi-porcelain 
or white granite, including the foregoing with the surface 
uniformly coloured in only one hue, when for use in the 
manufacture of decorated tableware by kiln-fired decoration Free 10 p.c. 35 p.c. 

326m Articles of glass, not to include plate, sheet, machine- 
made tumblers nor containers for the bottling or packag- 
ing of products, when for use in the manufacture of cut 
or decorated glassware, under such regulations as the 
Minister may prescribe Free Free 32 £ p.c. 



399a Pipes or tubes of iron or steel, commonly known as ''oil- 
country goods", being casing or tubing and fittings, 
couplings, thread protectors and nipples therefor; 
seismograph drilling bits, in sizes three and one-half 
inches to four and three-quarter inches inclusive; all 
of the foregoing for use in connection with natural gas 
or oil wells 5 p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p c. 

410d Well-drilling machinery and apparatus, and parts there- 
of, for use in drilling for water or in prospecting for 
minerals, not including motive power Free Free Free 

491 Machinery and apparatus for use in exploratory or discovery 
work in connection with oil or natural gas wells or for the 
development, maintenance, testing, depletion or produc- 
tion of such wells up to and including the wellhead 
assembly or surface oil pumping unit; well-drilling 
machinery and apparatus for use in the exploration, dis- 
covery, development or operation of potash or rock salt 
deposits; these provisions shall not include automotive 
vehicles or chassis on which the machinery and apparatus 
are mounted: 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 29th APRIL 267 





Most- 




British 


Favoured- 




Preferential 


Nation 


General 


Tariff 


Tariff 


Tariff 



Tariff 

Item 

491 (1) Belting and hose, wholly or partly of rubber, and 
(Con) fittings and accessories therefor whether attached or not; 

Casing centralizers , wall scratchers and scrapers, stop 

rings and cement baskets; 
Moulded or extruded rubber products, namely cementing 

plugs, protectors, wipers, swab rubbers, and rubber 

rollers for wireline guides and turnback units; 
Screens for shale shakers; 
Sucker rods, pony rods, polished rods, and couplings 

therefor; 
Swaged nipples and bull plugs not exceeding 4 inches in 

outside diameter; 
Wellhead valves, not under 2 inch or over 3 inch nominal 

size, rated for service in working pressures up to 

and including 2,000 pounds per square inch W.O.G. 

(water, oil, gas), excluding check valves, pressure 

regulators, automatic safety valves and needle valves; 
Wire rope; 
Parts of all the foregoing 5 p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p.c. 

(2) Blow-out preventers; 

Crown blocks and travelling blocks; 

Elevators and elevator links; 

Fishing tools; 

Flanged casing heads; 

Masts or derricks for drilling, servicing or work-over 
rigs; 

Rotary tables; 

Screwed casing heads for surface casings exceeding 10\ 
inches in outside diameter, or rated for service in work- 
ing pressures exceeding 2,000 pounds per square inch 
W.O.G. (water, oil, gas); 

Swivels; 

Well logging equipment; 

Well perforating equipment; 

Wellhead valves over 3 inch nominal size, or rated for 
service in working pressures exceeding 2,000 pounds 
per square inch W.O.G. (water, oil, gas); 

Well-packers; 

Parts of all the foregoing Free Free Free 

(3) Drilling, servicing or work-over rigs, assembled or not; 
Draw works; 

Slush pumps; 

Motive power and drive groups for operating slush 
pumps, draw works or rotary table Free Free Free 

(4) All other machinery and apparatus, and parts thereof; 
parts of goods enumerated in (3) of this item: 

(a) Oj a class or kind made in Canada 5 p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p.c a 

(b) Of a class or kind not made in Canada Free Free Free 

492 Bolted steel tanks; 
Chemical injection pumps; 
Chokes, beans and flow controllers; 
Separators and treaters, oil, gas or water; 

All the foregoing for use in connection with oil or natural 
gas wells for installation between the wellhead assembly 
or surface oil pumping unit and the field marketing valve: 

(1) Of a class or kind made in Canada; parts thereof 5 p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p.c. 

(2) Of a class or kind not made in Canada; parts thereof. Free Free Free 

492a Drilling mud and additives therefor for use in drilling for 

oil, natural gas, potash or rock salt Free Free Free 



268 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Tariff 
Item 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Preferential Nation General 
Tariff Tariff Tariff 



492b Machinery and apparatus for use in the distillation or re- 
covery of products from natural gas- 

(1) Of a class or kind made in Canada; parts thereof 5 p.c. 

(2) Of a class or kind not made in Canada; parts thereof. . Free 



15 p.c. 

Free 



25 p.c. 
Free 



492c Machinery and apparatus for use in producing unrefined oil 
from shales or for operating oil-sands by mining opera- 
tions or for extracting oil from the sands so mined: 

(1) Of a class or kind made in Canada; parts thereof. ... 5 p.c. 

(2) Of a class or kind not made in Canada; parts thereof. . Free 



492d Materials for use in the manufacture of the goods specified in 

tariff items 491, 492, 492a, 492b and 492c Free 

683 Barytes Free 

848 Drilling bits, n.o.p., and parts thereof, for use in ex- 
ploratory or discovery work in connection with, and 
development, depletion and production of petroleum 
or natural gas wells Free 



10 p.c. 
Free 


20 p.c, 
Free 


Free 


Free 


20 p.c. 


25 p.c 



Free 



Free 



2. That Schedule B to the Customs Tariff be amended by striking out item 
1047 and the enumeration of goods and the rate of drawback of duty set oppo- 
site that item, and by inserting therein the following item, enumeration of 
goods and rate of drawback of duty: 



Item Goods 

No. 



When Subject to Drawback 



Portion of Duty 

(not including Special 

Duty or Dumping 

Duty) Payable as 

Drawback 



1007 Machine-made When used in the manufacture of cut or decorated tumblers; pro- 
tumblers of tided that no drawback shall be paid under this item unless at 
glass, not cut least twenty-five per cent of the cost of producing the finished 
nor decorated. article has been incurred in Canada 



60 p.c. 



3. That Schedule A to the Customs Tariff be amended by striking out 
tariff items 9i, 156, 196, 237a, 356b, 440ml., 440nl., 440r, 521(2), 521(7), 
521(8), 611a(4), 681c and 696a, and the enumerations of goods and the rates 
of duty set opposite each of these items, and by inserting therein the following 
items, enumerations of goods and rates of duty: 



Tariff 
Item 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Preferential Nation General 
Tariff Tariff Tariff 



9i Feeds for use exclusively in the feeding of trout Free 

On and after July 1, 1966 15 p.c. 



156 (i)Whiskey per gallon of the strength of proof 

and in addition thereto, under all tariffs, $9.00 per 
gallon of the strength of proof 



S4.50 



Free 
20 p.c. 



$5.00 



£& p.C. 

25 p.c. 
S10.00 



British 

Preferential 

Tariff 


Most- 

Favoured- 

Nation 

Tariff 


General 
Tariff 


$4.50 


$5.00 


$10.00 


$4.50 


$6.00 


$10.00 


$4.00 


$4.00 


$10.00 


$4.50 


$4.50 


$10.00 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 29th APRIL 269 



Tariff 

Item 

156 (#)Gin, n.o.p per gallon of the strength of proof 

(Con) and in addition thereto, under all tariffs, $9.00 per 

gallon of the strength of proof 

(3)Rum, n.o.p per gallon of the strength of proof 

and in addition thereto, under all tariffs, $9.00 per 

gallon of the strength of proof 

U)Brandy per gallon of the strength of proof 

and in addition thereto, under all tariffs, $9.00 per 

gallon of the strength of proof 

(5)Liqueurs per gallon of the strength of proof 

and in addition thereto, under all tariffs, $9.00 per 

gallon of the strength of proof 
(6) Ethyl alcohol, or the substance commonly known as 

alcohol, hydrated oxide of ethyl or spirits of wine, 

n.o.p.; spirituous or alcoholic liquors, n.o.p.; absinthe, 

arrack or palm spirit, artificial brandy and imitations 

of brandy, n.o.p.; cordials of all kinds, n.o.p.; mescal, 

pulque, rum- shrub, schiedam and other schnapps; 

tafia, and alcoholic bitters or beverages, n.o.p.; and 

wines, n.o.p., containing more than forty per cent of 

proof spirit per 

gallon of the strength of proof $5.00 $10.00 $10.00 

and in addition thereto, under all tariffs, $9.00 per 

gallon of the strength of proof 

When the goods specified in item 156 are of greater or 
less strength than the strength of proof, the measure- 
ment thereof and the amount of duty payable thereon 
shall be increased or decreased in proportion for any 
greater or less strength than the strength of proof. 

196 Newsprint paper Free Free 25 p.c. 

237a Deuterium oxide or heavy water; uranium in the form of 

pigs, ingots, billets or bars Free Free 25 p.c. 

On and after July 1, 1966 Free 15 p.c. 25 p.c. 

3566 Nickel chromium, in bars or rods not more than three- 
fourths of an inch in diameter containing more than 
fifty per cent nickel and more than ten per cent chro- 
mium, of a class or kind not made in Canada, for use 
in the manufacture of electric resistance wire and elec- 
tric resistance strip or ribbon Free Free Free 

440m Aircraft, not including engines, under such regulations 
as the Minister may prescribe: 

1. When of types or sizes not made in Canada Free Free 27§ p.c 

On and after July 1, 1965 Free 15 p.c. 27^ p.c 

440n Aircraft engines, when imported for use in the equipment 
of aircraft: 

1. When of types or sizes not made in Canada Free Free 27| p.c. 

On and after July 1, 1965 Free 15 p.c. 27^ p.c. 

440r Auxiliary power units; 

Bars, tubes, extrusions of aluminum, aluminum alloys 
and magnesium alloys; 

Batteries; 

Bolts, cocks, cotter pins, eyelets, nuts, pins, rivets, 
screws, turnbuckles and clevis, washers; 

Brakes, with related operating gear; 

Carburettors; 

Direct or inertia starters with or without related oper- 
ating gear; 

Distributors; 

De-icing and anti-icing equipment; 

Electric generators; 

Electric lamps; 

Exhaust gas analyzers; 

Fittings and couplings; 

Fuel pressure warning devices; 

Forgings and castings; 



270 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 



Most- 
British Favoured- 
Tariff Preferential Nation General 

Item Tariff Tariff Tariff 

440r Hinges; 
(Con) Hydraulic jacks; 

Hydraulic pumps; 

Ignition coils; 

Instruments; 

Landing and navigation lights; 

Magnetos; 

Oil coolers; 

Pressure fire extinguishers; 

Primer pumps; 

Propellers and helicopter rotors; 

Radio for navigation and air traffic communication; 

Seats; 

Spark plugs; 

Steel tubing; 

Swaged wires and tie rods; 

Tires and tire inner tubes; 

Vacuum pumps with related operating gear; 

Voltage control boxes; 

Wheels; 

Parts of all the foregoing; 

All of the foregoing when of types or sizes not made 
in Canada and for use in aircraft, aircraft engines, 
airborne aircraft equipment, or parts of aircraft, air- 
craft engines, or airborne aircraft equipment Free Free 27£ o.<\ 

521 Yarns and rovings, including threads, cords and twines, 
wholly of cotton: 

(2) For use in the manufacture of cotton sewing thread or 
Schiffli embroidery thread: 
(a) Singles Free 10 p.c. 15 p.c. 

(6) Plied 5p.c. 10 p.c. 20 p.c. 

681c Cobalt-bearing scrap for recovery of the cobalt and 

attendant by-products Free Free Free 

691a Communion wafers or unleavened bread for sacramental 

purposes Free Free Free 

696a Moving picture films, sound or silent, separate sound 
film track, slides and slide films, positive or negative, 
and sound recordings for use therewith; 

Sound recordings for use by educational, scientific or 
cultural institutions or societies; 

Sound recordings other than for sale or rental; 

Models, static and moving; 

Video tape recordings; 

Wall charts, maps and posters; 

All the foregoing when certified by the Government or 
by a recognized representative authority of the Gov- 
ernment of the country of production or by an appro- 
priate representative of the United Nations Educa- 
tional, Scientific and Cultural Organization as being 
of an international educational, scientific or cultural 
character; 

Under such regulations as the Minister may prescribe. . Free Free Free 



4. That any enactment founded upon the foregoing resolutions shall be 
deemed to have come into force on the 17th day of March, 1964, and to have 
applied to all goods mentioned in the said resolutions imported or taken out 
of warehouse for consumption on or after that day, and to have applied to goods 
previously imported for which no entry for consumption was made before 
that day. 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 29th APRIL 271 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in and the Committee 
of Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Favreau for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. MacEwan, seconded by Mr. Clancy, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of changing the 
terminology in the designation "Old Age" as contained in both the Old Age 
Assistance Act, being Chapter 199 of the Revised Statutes of Canada, and 
Amendments thereto, and the Old Age Security Act, being Chapter 200 of the 
Revised Statutes of Canada, and Amendments thereto, to a more worthy desig- 
nation, so that the aforesaid will be known as the "Senior Citizens Assistance 
Act" and "Senior Citizens Security Act" respectively. — (Notice of Motion 
No. 14). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 15, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams and documents exchanged between Mr. Albert Garant of 
Roberval, Roberval County, and the Postmaster-General, the Deputy Post- 
master-General, or other employees of that Department, since March 1, 1963. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 94). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 25, 
1964, for a copy of "Government Contract Regulations" together with any other 
documents relating to the "awarding" of contracts by the government for the 
supply of goods and/or services to the government. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 6). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 22, 
1964, for a copy of all letters written, or telegrams sent, by the Prime Minister 
between February 17 and March 20, 1964, related to the proposed functions of 
a Parliamentary Committee to study the Canada Pension Plan. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 101). 



272 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in Council 
P.C. 1964-581, dated April 23, 1964, revoking Order in Council P.C. 1964-456, 
dated March 26, 1964, authorizing, under section 21a of the Export Credits 
Insurance Act, long-term financing by the Export Credits Insurance Corpora- 
tion, for the purchase of capital equipment from Parsons & Whittemore Con- 
tractors Ltd., Montreal, Quebec, and engineering and erection services from 
Sandwell and Company Limited, Vancouver, B.C., by Fabricas de Papel Tux- 
tepec, S.A., Mexico City, Mexico, pursuant to section 21b of the said Act, chap- 
ter 105, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1960-61. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 30th APRIL 273 

No. 53 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 30th APRIL, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Two petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with Stand- 
ing Order 70(1). 



Mr. Greene, from the Joint Committee of the Senate and the House of 
Commons on Consumer Credit, presented the First Report of the said Commit- 
tee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That its quorum be reduced to seven Members, provided that both 
Houses are represented. 

2. That it be empowered to engage the services of counsel, an accountant 
and such technical and clerical personnel as may be necessary for the purpose 
of the inquiry. 

3. That it be granted leave to sit during the sittings of the House. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Greene, seconded by Mr. Gen- 
dron, the said Report was concurred in. 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Report by Dr. C. J. Mackenzie, dated January 28, 1964, entitled "The Organi- 
zation of Government Scientific Activities". (English and French). 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Report by the Secretary-General to the Security Council 
on the Operations of the United Nations Peace-keeping Force in Cyprus, dated 
April 29, 1964. 



274 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said Report be printed as 
an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Lessard (Lac-Saint-Jean) be substituted for that of Mr. Ouel- 
let on the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Colonization. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Frenette be substituted for that of Mr. Girouard on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Estimates. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Olson be substituted for that of Mr. Ouellet on the Joint Com- 
mittee on Printing; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof. 



Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-93, An Act to provide for the Protection of News Sources (Press Priv- 
ilege), which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the 
next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-4, An Act respecting 
the International Bridge over the St. Clair River known as the Blue Water 
Bridge; 

Mr. Picker sgill for Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Post Office Act. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers) ] 

Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Paul, moved, — That an Order of the House 
do issue for a copy of all maps, drawn up or deposited with the Chief Electoral 
Officer or the Representation Commissioner, pertaining to the proposed redistri- 
bution of electoral boundaries in Canada. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 112). 



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And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Post Office Act and, progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again later 
this day. 

And after some time; 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Post Office Act and, further progress having 
been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.01 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital 
Budget of the National Capital Commission for the year ending March 31, 1965, 
pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Operations under Part 
II of the Export Credits Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1964, pur- 
suant to section 27 of the said Act, chapter 105, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 



At 10.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 1st MAY, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

The honourable Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) rising on a Question of 
Privilege, proposed to move, — That this House condemns the action of Ministers 
from time to time in announcing, outside of the House, policy decisions which 
should be announced in the House, an example of which being the announce- 
ment yesterday outside the House by the Minister of Transport of air policy, 
such action being a flagrant disregard of the custom, practices and privileges 
of this House and its Members. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

I have to decide whether the motion as presented this morning is, or is 
not, in order. Right at the beginning I would like to refer honourable Members 
to Beauchesne's fourth edition, citation 71(6): 

"In all matters of doubt, the Speaker will consider attentively the opinions 
of Members of experience, or sometimes, instead of expressing his opinion on 
either side, may ask instructions from the House or reserve his decision on the 
point in discussion, or suggest that the House may, if it think proper, dispense 
with the rule in a particular case." 

This morning, if I am correct, we have had sixty minutes of discussion. We 
have, in the time at our disposal, made careful research — and, when I say that, 
I do not know of any instances where statements outside the House have been 
declared by the Chair as constituting a prima facie breach of privilege — but we 
have not, in the short time at our disposal, been able to find any case to the 
contrary. 

In the past it has been considered as a grievance and, as I say, we have had 
very considerable discussion this morning. Therefore it seems to me that the 
motion presented by the honourable Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) is, as 



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stated, in the nature of a substantive motion which would require notice. In 
my opinion, it is more of a grievance, and inasmuch as I understand on Mon- 
day and Tuesday there will be a Supply Motion, where this matter may be 
discussed thoroughly and at length, and in view of the discussion this morning 
and the explanations given, serious though the matter is and though it was 
quite properly raised in my opinion, nevertheless I do not believe the motion 
should be accepted by the Speaker at this time. 

Whereupon the honourable Member for Yukon (Mr. Nielsen) appealed to 
the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 



Addison, 


Dube, 


/Lessrs: 

Latulippe, 


Peters, 


Armstrong, 


Emard, 


Laverdiere, 


Pickersgill, 


Badanai, 


Eudes, 


Leboe, 


Pilon, 


Basford, 


Favreau, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Rideout, 


Batten, 


Francis, 


Henri), 


Rinfret, 


Beer, 


Frenette, 


Lloyd, 


Robichaud, 


Belanger, 


Gauthier, 


Loiselle, 


Rochon, 


Benidickson, 


Gelber, 


Macaluso, 


Rock, 


Benson, 


Gendron, 


Macdonald, 


Rondeau, 


Boulanger, 


Godin, 


MacNaught, 


Rouleau, 


Byrne, 


Gordon, 


Mcllraith, 


Roxburgh, 


Cadieux, 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Ryan, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Gregoire, 


McNulty, 


Sauve, 


Cowichan-The 


Habel, 


McWilliam, 


Sharp, 


Islands), 


Hahn, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Stewart, 


Caouette, 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Timmins), 


Tardif, 


Cardin, 


Harley, 


Matheson, 


Temple, 


Caron, 


Hays, 


Matte, 


Thompson, 


Carter, 


Hellyer, 


Morison, 


Tremblay, 


Choquette, 


Herridge, 


Mullally, 


Tucker, 


Chretien, 


Howard, 


Munro, 


Turner, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Jewett (Miss), 


Nicholson, 


Wahn, 


Cowan, 


Kelly, 


O'Keefe, 


Walker, 


Cyr, 


Knowles, 


Orlikow, 


Watson (Chateau- 


Deachman, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Patterson, 


guay-Huntingdon 


Deschatelets, 


Lachance, 


Pearson, 


Laprairie), 


Douglas, 


Lamontagne, 


Pennell, 


Webster, 


Drouin, 


Lamoureux, 


Pepin, 


Whelan, 


Drury, 


Laniel, 


Perron, 


Winch— 111. 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Clancy, 


Girouard, Kindt, 


Alkenbrack, 


Coates, 


Gundlock, Korchinski, 


Balcer, 


Cooper, 


Hamilton, Loney, 


Baldwin, 


Crouse, 


Horner (The Battle- MacEwan, 


Bell, 


Danforth, 


fords), Maclnnis, 


Bigg, 


Diefenbaker, 


Howe (Wellington- MacLean (Queens), 


Cadieu, 


Doucett, 


Huron), Macquarrie, 


Cardiff, 


Fane, 


Irvine, MacRae, 


Chatterton, 


Forbes, 


Kennedy, McBain, 



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Mcintosh, 


Nielsen, 


Madill, 


Noble, 


Mandziuk, 


Nugent, 


Martineau, 


Ouellet, 


Millar, 


Pascoe, 


Moore, 


Paul, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Pigeon, 



FRIDAY, 1st MAY 



Rapp, 

Rheaume, 

Ricard, 

Skoreyko, 

Smallwood, 

Southam, 

Starr, 



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Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Vincent, 

Watson (Assiniboia), 

Webb, 

Weichel, 

Willoughby, 

Winkler— 63. 



Mr. Baldwin, from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented 
the First Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in 
relation thereto; 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 15 to 10 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (e) be suspended in relation thereto. 

Mr. Godin, from the Standing Committee on Mines, Forests and Waters, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto; 

2. That it be given leave to sit while the House is sitting. 



Mr. Granger, from the Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries, pre- 
sented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to print such papers 
and evidence as may be ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 
66 be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Granger, seconded by Mr. Loiselle, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Pilon, from the Standing Committee on Estimates, presented the First 
Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto; and 

2. That its quorum be reduced from 20 to 15 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (m) be suspended in relation thereto. 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Communique issued by the Joint United States-Canadian 
Committee on Trade and Economic Affairs following meetings held at Ottawa 
on April 29-30, 1964. (English and French). 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered that the said communique be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



280 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-ll, An Act to incorporate Canadian Conference of the Brethren in 
Christ Church. — Mr. Greene. 

Bill S-14, An Act respecting The Dominion Life Assurance Company. — 
Mr. Weichel. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered that a statement by the Minister of 
Transport entitled "Civil Aviation Policy" be printed as an appendix to this 
day's Hansard. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)} 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 8 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-30, An Act to pro- 
vide for Pay for Statutory Holidays and for Pay for Work Performed on Statu- 
tory Holidays for Employees in Federal Works, Undertakings and Businesses; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 22, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert 
Lessard, of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Minister of Fisheries or the 
Deputy Minister or any officials of his Department, since March 1, 1963. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 46). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, (Question No. 252) showing: What is the approximate total of Canadian 
federal, provincial, municipal and private debt? 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 1st MAY 281 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, (Question No. 255) showing: What are the latest available statistics on 
(a) Canada's gross debt and net debt (b) the gross debt and net debt of each 
province (c) the gross debt and net debt of municipalities (d) the gross debt 
and net debt of school boards (e) the gross debt and net debt of Crown cor- 
porations (f) debts owed by Canadians to finance companies for consumer 
goods (g) debts owed by Canadians for purchases of commercial goods (h) 
debts owed by Canadians on mortgage loans (i) debts owed by Canadians to 
banks and credit unions for personal loans (j) debts owed by Canadians to 
small loan companies (k) debts owed by Canadians for installment purchases 
(I) total Canadian indebtedness to the United States (m) total Canadian 
indebtedness to overseas governments (n) gross national product (o) total 
currency in circulation (p) total of banknotes and coins in circulation? 

Fifth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7) : 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on April 30th, meet the requirements of Standing 
Order 70: 

The Dominion Life Assurance Company and/or "Compagnie d'Assurance 
sur la vie dite Dominion", for an Act to amend its Act of incorporation chang- 
ing its French name to "La Dominion, compagnie d'assurance sur la vie". — 
Mr. Weichel. 

Ernest John Swalm, of the Township of Nottawasaga, Basil Lawrence 
Long, of the Township of North Walsingham, Walter Orval Winger, of the 
Township of Gainsborough, and many other persons, all of the Province of 
Ontario, for an Act to incorporate the Canadian Conference of the Brethren 
in Christ Church, and for other purposes. — Mr. Greene. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Third Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

The Quebec Board of Trade and/or Le Bureau de Commerce de Quebec, of 
the City of Quebec, Quebec, for an Act to amend its Act of Incorporation 
authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, either the 
name "Board of Trade of Metropolitan Quebec" and/or "Chambre de Com- 
merce du Quebec Metropolitain", and for other purposes. 

Walter Mitchell, of the Village of Chester, Walter deW. Barss, of the 
City of Dartmouth, Donald Mclnnes, Eric McN. Grant, George C. Piercey, of 
the City of Halifax, all of the Province of Nova Scotia, for an Act to incorporate 
"Nova Scotia Savings & Loan Company" and for other purposes. 

The Dominion Life Assurance Company and/or "Compagnie d'Assurance 
sur la vie dite Dominion", for an Act to amend its Act of incorporation changing 
its French name to "La Dominion, compagnie d'assurance sur la vie". 

Ernest John Swalm, of the Township of Nottawasaga, Basil Lawrence 
Long, of the Township of North Walsingham, Walter Orval Winger, of the 
Township of Gainsborough, and many other persons, all of the Province of 
Ontario, for an Act to incorporate the Canadian Conference of the Brethren 
in Christ Church, and for other purposes. 



282 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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Prayers. 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 4th MAY, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 

STATEMENT BY MR. SPEAKER 



Mr. Speaker: I should like to make a brief statement to the House with 
reference to provisional Standing Order 39-A, under which certain questions 
are debated after ten o'clock on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays. The Chair- 
man of the Sub-Committee on Procedure, the honourable Member for Winni- 
peg North Centre (Mr. Knowles), undertook on Friday that the operation of 
this Standing Order would be reviewed in the light of certain misunderstand- 
ings of last Thursday night. That Sub-Committee has reviewed the matter and 
the results of its deliberations thus far were reported to the Committee on 
Procedure and Organization at noon today. As a result of our discussions, the 
Chair feels that it will be possible to interpret Standing Order 39-A in a way 
that will be fair to all honourable Members, and the Chair expresses the confi- 
dence that, with the co-operation of all honourable Members, difficulties of 
interpretation can be avoided. The Sub-Committee has suggested certain guide- 
lines which the Chair feels will be most helpful. If further difficulties arise, the 
Sub-Committee will recommend an appropriate amendment to the Standing 
Order, but it is hoped that this will not be necessary. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Martineau, Pigeon, Rheaume, and Vincent be substituted 
for those of Messrs. Doucett, Rapp, Macquarrie, and More (Regina City) on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

On motion of Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. Southam, the First Report of 
the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented to the House on Fri- 
day, May 1, 1964, was concurred in. 



284 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Pilon, seconded by Mr. Rideout, the First Report of the 
Standing Committee on Estimates, presented to the House on Friday, May 1, 
1964, was concurred in. 

Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order for a Return, namely: 

No. 665 — Mr. Peters 

1. How many civilians have been carried in R.C.A.F. aircraft between 
(a) January 1, 1963 and December 31, 1963 (b) January 1, 1964 and March 
31, 1964? 

2. In each case (a) what was the name and address of the civilian (b) 
what was the extent of the flight (c) why was it approved by the Air Force 
in each instance? 

Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

The Order for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply being 
read for the second time pursuant to Standing Order 56(2); 

Mr. Mcllraith for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That 
Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Dinsdale, seconded by Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), moved in 
^lendment thereto, — That the motion be amended by striking out all the words 
after "That" and substituting therefor: 

"this House condemns the neglect of the government in failing to establish 
a co-ordinated national water policy and in ignoring the imminent national 
crisis in water resources management, which is evidenced by the critical low 
water levels of the Great Lakes and other national waters, the increasing pol- 
lution of national waters, and the urgent necessity of conserving water resources 
for the benefit of national resource development in Canada; 

"And urges the government, in the interests of national development, to 
take immediate action to make up for their year of neglect of this problem by 
forthwith: 

(1) establishing a national advisory committee on water resources to assist in 
co-ordinating national resource development; 

(2) accelerating the application of ARDA policies to the problems of national 
resource development; and 

(3) vigorously continuing and expanding the water and other resource devel- 
opment programs conceived and established by the previous Conservative 
government." 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Beaule, moved in amendment to the said 
proposed amendment, — That the amendment be amended by deleting the first 
paragraph and all the words in the second paragraph following the word 
"action", together with sub-paragraphs (1) and (3), so that the motion would 
read as follows: 

"That this House urges the government, in the best interests of national 
development, to take practical and immediate steps to accelerate the application 
of ARDA policies." 

And debate continuing; 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 4th MAY 285 

STATEMENT BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: As I indicated prior to six o'clock, the Chair had 
some difficulty in relating the context of the subamendment presented in the 
French language with the context of the amendment presented in the English 
language. I indicated that through the dinner hour I would have the opportu- 
nity to look at the two texts and try to relate them to one another. Having done 
so, the Chair is of the opinion that to give effect to the subamendment as pro- 
posed by the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire) and as set 
forth in the last paragraph of his motion, a certain alteration should be effected 
as follows, so that the text would read: 

That the amendment be amended as follows: (1) In the first paragraph 
thereof, delete all the words after the words "this House"; (2) In the second 
paragraph thereof (a) delete the word "and" in the first line; and (b) delete 
all the words after the words "immediate action" and substitute therefor the 
following "and practical steps in the best interests of national development 
to accelerate the application of ARDA policies." 

Is it agreed? Agreed. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 
By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Pennell be substituted for that of Mr. Cashin on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.01 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" 
was deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 
39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 22, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert 
Lessard, of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Solicitor General, since 
March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 36). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 25, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents ex- 
changed between the government or any agency or branch thereof and any 
other person, group, or organization since July 1, 1963 relating to the H.M.C.S. 
Chatham at Prince Rupert, B.C. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 67). 

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At 10.23 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 5th MAY, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker presented the Third Report of the Special Committee on Pro- 
cedure and Organization which is as follows: 

1. Your Committee, through its Sub-Committee on Procedure, has studied 
the practice of the making of statements on "Motions" and is of the opinion that 
provision for this practice, and for the orderly regulation of it, should be 
included in the Standing Orders. 

2. Your Committee therefore recommends that Standing Order 15 be 
amended by inserting therein, between section (2) and section (3), a new 
section (2-a), to read as follows: 

Standing Order 15, Section (2-a) 

15. (2-a) On motions, as listed in section (2) of this Standing 
Order, a Minister of the Crown may make an announcement or a state- 
ment of government policy. Any such announcement or statement should 
be limited to facts which it is deemed necessary to make known to the 
House and should not be designed to provoke debate at this stage. A 
spokesman for each of the parties in opposition to the government may 
comment briefly, subject to the same limitation. 

3. In keeping with the recommendation made in your Committee's Second 
Report that proposals of this type should be adopted on a trial basis, your 
Committee recommends that the new section set out herein be in effect from 
the day this Report is adopted until the end of the present session, unless it is 
otherwise ordered by the House. 

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288 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Copy of a Report by the Secretary-General to the Security 
Council on the Organization and Operation of the United Nations Peace-keeping 
Force in Cyprus, dated May 2, 1964. (English and French). 



On motion of Mr. Godin, seconded by Mr. Loiselle, the First Report of the 
Standing Committee on Mines, Forests and Waters, presented to the House 
on Friday, May 1, 1964, was concurred in. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Mcllraith for 
Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the 
Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply; and on the 
proposed motion of Mr. Dinsdale, seconded by Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carle- 
ton), in amendment thereto,"' and on the proposed motion of Mr. Gregoire, 
seconded by Mr. Beaule, in amendment to the said proposed amendment. 

And debate continuing; 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid before the House, — Copy of a letter dated January 8, 1964, addressed to 
the Resource Ministers of the Provinces concerning Water Resources Data. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Mcllraith for Mr. Gor- 
don, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair 
for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Dinsdale, seconded by Mr. Flemming 
( Victoria- Carleton), in amendment thereto, — That the motion be amended by 
striking out all the words after "That" and substituting therefor: 

"this House condemns the neglect of the government in failing to establish 
a co-ordinated national water policy and in ignoring the imminent national 
crisis in water resources management, which is evidenced by the critical low 
water levels of the Great Lakes and other national waters, the increasing pollu- 
tion of national waters, and the urgent necessity of conserving water resources 
for the benefit of national resource development in Canada; 

"And urges the government, in the interests of national development, to 
take immediate action to make up for their year of neglect of this problem by 
forthwith: 

(1) establishing a national advisory committee on water resources to assist 
in co-ordinating national resource development; 

{2) accelerating the application of ARDA policies to the problems of national 
resource development; and 

(3) vigorously continuing and expanding the water and other resource devel- 
opment programs conceived and established by the previous Conservative 
government." 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Gregoire, seconded by Mr. Beaule, in 
amendment to the said proposed amendment, — That the amendment be 
amended as follows: (1) In the first paragraph thereof, delete all the words 



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after the words "this House"; (2) In the second paragraph thereof (a) delete 
the word "and" in the first line; and (b) delete all the words after the words 
"immediate action" and substitute therefor the following "and practical steps 
in the best interests of national development to accelerate the application of 
ARDA policies." 

And debate continuing; at 8.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (d); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the amend- 
ment, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 



Beaule, 

Belanger, 

Boutin, 



Messrs: 



Caouette, 

Dionne, 

Gauthier, 



Gregoire, 
Langlois, 
Laprise, 



Nays 
Messrs: 



Latulippe, 
Plourde, 
Rondeau — 12. 



Aiken, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Guay, 


Lessard 


Alkenbrack, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Gundlock, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Armstrong, 


Cowan, 


Habel, 


Lloyd, 


Asselin, 


Grossman, 


Hahn, 


Loiselle, 


(Richmond-Wolfe) . 


, Crouse, 


Haidasz, 


Loney, 


Badanai, 


Danforth, 


Hales, 


Macaluso, 


Balcer, 


Davis, 


Hamilton, 


Macdonald, 


Baldwin, 


Deachman, 


Harkness, 


MacEachen, 


Basford, 


Deschatelets, 


Harley, 


MacEwan, 


Batten, 


Diefenbaker, 


Hellyer, 


Mackasey, 


Bechard, 


Dinsdale, 


Herridge, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Beer, 


Doucett, 


Horner (Acadia), 


MacNaught, 


Bell, 


Douglas, 


Horner 


Macquarrie, 


Benidickson, 


Drouin, 


(The Battlefords), 


MacRae, 


Benson, 


Drury, 


Howard, 


McBain, 


Berger, 


Dube, 


Howe (Hamilton 


McCutcheon, 


Bigg, 


Dupuis, 


South), 


Mcllraith, 


Boulanger, 


Emard, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Mcintosh, 


Brown, 


Eudes, 


Huron), 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Byrne, 


Fairweather, 


Jorgenson, 


McMillan, 


Cadieu, 


Fane, 


Kelly, 


McNulty, 


Cadieux, 


Favreau, 


Kennedy, 


McWilliam, 


Cameron 


Fleming (Okanagan 


- Kindt, 


Madill, 


(High Park), 


Revelstoke), 


Klein, 


Mandziuk, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


• Flemming (Victoria- 


Knowles, 


Marcoux, 


Cowichan-The 


Carleton), 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Martin (Essex East), 


Islands), 


Forbes, 


Korchinski, 


Martineau, 


Cantelon, 


Forest, 


Lachance, 


Matheson, 


Cantin, 


Forgie, 


Laing, 


Matte, 


Cardin, 


Francis, 


Lamb, 


Millar, 


Caron, 


Frenette, 


Lambert, 


Monteith, 


Carter, 


Gelber, 


Lamontagne, 


Moore, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Gendron, 


Lamoureux, 


Moreau, 


Chatterton, 


Girouard, 


Laniel, 


Morison, 


Choquette, 


Godin, 


Laverdiere, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Churchill, 


Gordon, 


Leblanc, 


Mullally, 


Clancy, 


Grafftey, 


Leboe, 


Munro, 


Coates, 


Gray, 


Leduc, 


Nesbitt, 


Cooper, 


Greene, 




Nicholson, 



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Nielsen, 


Pigeon, 


Sauve, 


Valade, 


Nixon, 


Pilon, 


Scott, 


Vincent, 


Noble, 


Prittie, 


Smallwood, 


Wahn, 


Nowlan, 


Prud'homme, 


Smith, 


Walker, 


Nugent, 


Rapp, 


Southam, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


O'Keefe, 


Rheaume, 


Starr, 


Watson 


Olson, 


Ricard, 


Stefanson, 


(Chateauguay- 


Orlikow, 


Richard, 


Stenson, 


Huntingdon- 


Otto, 


Rideout, 


Stewart, 


Laprairie), 


Pascoe, 


Rinfret, 


Tardif, 


Webb, 


Patterson, 


Robichaud, 


Teillet, 


Webster, 


Paul, 


Rochon, 


Temple, 


Weichel, 


Pearson, 


Rock, 


Thomas, 


Whelan, 


Pennell, 


Rouleau, 


Thompson, 


Willoughby, 


Pepin, 


Roxburgh, 


Tremblay, 


Winch, 


Peters, 


Ryan, 


Tucker, 


Winkler, 


Pickersgill, 


Rynard, 


Turner, 


Woolliams— 210. 



And the question being put on the said proposed amendment to the main 
motion, it was negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 
Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


■ Lamb, 


Pascoe, 


Alkenbrack, 


Revelstoke), 


Lambert, 


Pigeon, 


Balcer, 


Flemming (Victoria- 


- Loney, 


Rapp, 


Baldwin, 


Carleton), 


MacEwan, 


Rheaume, 


Bell, 


Forbes, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Ricard, 


Bigg, 


Girouard, 


Macquarrie, 


Rynard, 


Cadieu, 


GrafTtey, 


MacRae, 


Smallwood, 


Cantelon, 


Gundlock, 


McBain, 


Smith, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Hales, 


Mcintosh, 


Southam, 


Chatterton, 


Hamilton, 


Madill, 


Starr, 


Churchill, 


Harkness, 


Mandziuk, 


Stefanson, 


Clancy, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Martineau, 


Stenson, 


Coates, 


Horner 


Millar, 


Thomas, 


Cooper, 


(The Battlefords), 


Monteith, 


Valade, 


Crouse, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Moore, 


Vincent, 


Danforth, 


Huron), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Diefenbaker, 


Jorgenson, 


Nesbitt, 


Webb, 


Dinsdale, 


Kennedy, 


Nielsen, 


Weichel, 


Doucett, 


Kindt, 


Noble, 


Willoughby, 


Fane, 


Korchinski, 


Nowlan, 


Winkler, 






Nugent, 


Woolliams — 78. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Armstrong, 


Berger, 


Caouette, 


Dionne, 


Asselin, 


Boulanger, 


Cardin, 


Douglas, 


(Richmond- Wolfe: 


I, Boutin, 


Caron, 


Drouin, 


Badanai, 


Brown, 


Carter, 


Drury, 


Basford, 


Byrne, 


Choquette, 


Dube, 


Batten, 


Cadieux, . 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Dupuis, 


Beaule, 


Cameron 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Emard, 


Bechard, 


(High Park), 


Cowan, 


Eudes, 


Beer, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Crossman, 


Favreau, 


Belanger, 


Cowichan-The 


Davis, 


Forest, 


Benidickson, 


Islands), 


Deachman, 


Forgie, 


Benson, 


Cantin, 


Deschatelets, 


Francis, 



A.D. 1964 


TUESDAY 


, 5th MAY 




Frenette, 


Lamoureux, 


Matheson, 


Robichaud, 


Gauthier, 


Langlois, 


Matte, 


Rochon, 


Gelber, 


Laniel, 


Moreau, 


Rock, 


Gendron, 


Laprise, 


Morison, 


Rondeau, 


Godin, 


Latulippe, 


Mullally, 


Rouleau, 


Gordon, 


Laverdiere, 


Munro, 


Roxburgh, 


Gray, 


Leblanc, 


Nicholson, 


Ryan, 


Greene, 


Leboe, 


Nixon, 


Sauve, 


Gregoire, 


Leduc, 


O'Keefe, 


Scott, 


Guay, 


Lessard 


Olson, 


Stewart, 


Habel, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Orlikow, 


Tardif, 


Hahn, 


Lloyd, 


Otto, 


Teillet, 


Haidasz, 


Loiselle, 


Patterson, 


Temple, 


Harley, 


Macaluso, 


Pearson, 


Thompson, 


Hellyer, 


Macdonald, 


Pennell, 


Tremblay, 


Herridge, 


MacEachen, 


Pepin, 


Tucker, 


Howard, 


Mackasey, 


Peters, 


Turner, 


Howe (Hamilton 


MacNaught, 


Pickersgill, 


Wahn, 


South), 


Mcllraith, 


Pilon, 


Walker, 


Kelly, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Plourde, 


Watson 


Klein, 


McMillan, 


Prittie, 


(Chateauguay- 


Knowles, 


McNulty, 


Prud'homme, 


Huntingdon- 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


McWilliam, 


Richard, 


Laprairie) , 


Lachance, 


Marcoux, 


Rideout, 


Webster, 


Laing, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Rinfret, 


Whelan, 


Lamontagne, 






Winch— 141. 



291 



And debate continuing on the main motion; at ten o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker 
interrupted the proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (f ) ; 

And the question being put on the main motion, — That Mr. Speaker do 
now leave the Chair for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply; 
it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The estimates of three departments were first taken up and entered for con- 
sideration, pursuant to Standing Order 56(5) (b), as follows: 

INDUSTRY 

1 Departmental Administration, including grants as detailed 

in the Estimates $ 4,677,100 00 

POST OFFICE 

1 Postal Services including Canada's share of the upkeep of 

the International Bureaux at Berne and Montevideo $208,861,000 00 

TRANSPORT 

1 Departmental Administration (including the former Vote 
for the operation and maintenance of Official Railway 
Cars) $ 3,773,800 00 

To be reported. 



Report received and the Committee of Supply obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



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(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.05 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" 
was deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 
39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



At 10.34 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 6th MAY, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence including 
letters and other documents exchanged, on the one hand, between the gov- 
ernment, the Minister of Justice or other governmental agencies and, on the 
other hand, any person or association with regard to the construction of the 
penal institution for women planned by the government at Cornwall. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 99 — Mr. Martineau). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all petitions sponsored by 
the Nelson Chamber of Commerce signed by residents of Kootenay East and 
West urging immediate ratification of the Columbia River Treaty, received by 
the government since January 1, 1964. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 114 — Mr. Herridge). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of the 1958 report of the study 
which was conducted by P.F.R.A. on the Red Deer Diversion Scheme. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 115 — Mr. Horner (Acadia)). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was resolved, — 

That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 

will cause to be laid before this House a copy of the 1943 agreement between 

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the federal government and the Province of Alberta respecting P.F.R.A. 
projects in that Province. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
116 — Mr. Horner (Acadia)). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House copy of all files, documents, memoranda, 
letters and other documents dealing with the investigation carried out under 
the Inquiries Act regarding Miss Hattie English, Postmistress at Riviere au 
Renard, P.Q. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 117 — Mr. 
Martineau) . 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

ESTATE TAX ACT 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Estate 
Tax Act and to provide among other things: 

1. That in respect of property passing on the death of a person whose 
death occurs at any time after March, 1964, the deduction from the tax other- 
wise payable in respect of any such property that 

(a) was situated in a province that levied a succession duty and that was 
not entitled under the Federal-Provincial Fiscal Arrangements Act 
or any other Act of the Parliament of Canada to receive a payment 
in consequence of its refraining from increasing its succession duty 
in respect of such property or in respect of property described in 
subparagraph (b), or 

(b) was personal property situated outside of Canada that was, on the 
death of any such person who at the time of his death was domiciled 
in a province described in subparagraph (a), transmitted to a person 
who at the time of such death was domiciled in or resident in that 
province, 

shall be seventy-five per cent. 

2. That the limit of $1,500 on the amount of certain kinds of property 
passing on the death of a deceased person that may be transferred, delivered 
or paid over to any person resident in Canada without the consent of the 
Minister, in the case of any one transferor, deliverer or payer, be increased to 
$2,500, and that such kinds of property be extended to include an amount pay- 
able under a policy of insurance in respect of sickness or accident in which the 
deceased had, immediately before his death, a beneficial or other interest. 

3. That the property comprised in a settlement to be included in com- 
puting the aggregate net value of the property passing on the death of a per- 
son be deemed to include property comprised in a settlement where any income 
from such property is reserved to that person for life or any other period 
determinable by reference to death. 

4. That a disposition made by a person out of any community of property 
existing between that person and his spouse at the time of the making of such 



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disposition be deemed to have been made by each of them according to the 
respective share of each in that community. 

5. That where, on condition of the purchase of an annuity, a policy of 
insurance was effected after March 16, 1964 on the life of a person, there be 
included in computing the aggregate net value of the property passing on the 
death of such person the lesser of, 

(a) the amount paid for the annuity less the aggregate of annuity pay- 
ments made prior to the death, or 

(b) the amount payable under the policy of insurance. 
Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in and the Committee of 
Way and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Benidickson, for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Cardin, by leave of 
the House, presented Bill C-94, An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House. 



Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff, was read the second 
time, considered in Committee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m.. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Roxburgh, seconded by Mr. Prud'homme, moved, — That, in order 
to ensure the continuance of the vital part being played by the tobacco industry 
in the economy of this nation, this House is of the opinion that the government 
should consider the advisability of providing a much larger grant of money 
to be used toward research and experimental work in the production and 
processing of tobacco. — (Notice of Motion No. 15). 

And debate arising thereon; 

By unanimous consent, Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Benidickson, 
moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting therefrom all the words 
after the word "nation", and substituting therefor the following: "the Stand- 
ing Committee on Agriculture and Colonization be empowered to review the 
research and experimental facilities now provided to the production and 
processing of tobacco in this country and to recommend such measures as 
may be expedient to promote and assist in the production of Canadian tobacco." 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment, it was agreed to. 

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296 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

And the question being put on the main motion as amended, it was 
agreed to, and is as follows: 

"That, in order to ensure the continuance of the vital part being played 
by the tobacco industry in the economy of this nation, the Standing Committee 
on Agriculture and Colonization be empowered to review the research and 
experimental facilities now provided to the production and processing of 
tobacco in this country and to recommend such measures as may be expedient 
to promote and assist in the production of Canadian tobacco." 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of March, 1964. (English and 
French) 



By unanimous consent, at 5.58 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 7th MAY 297 

No. 58 

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OF THE 

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OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 7th MAY, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, moved, — That the Third Report 
of the Special Committee on Procedure and Organization, presented on May 
5, 1964, be now concurred in. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said Report was concurred in, and is as follows: 

1. Your Committee, through its Sub-Committee on Procedure, has studied 
the practice of the making of statements on Motions and is of the opinion that 
provision for this practice, and for the orderly regulation of it, should be 
included in the Standing Orders. 

2. Your Committee therefore recommends that Standing Order 15 be 
amended by inserting therein, between section (2) and section (3), a new 
section (2-a), to read as follows: 

Standing Order 15, Section (2-a) 

15. (2-a) On motions, as listed in section (2) of this Standing 
Order, a Minister of the Crown may make an announcement or a state- 
ment of government policy. Any such announcement or statement should 
be limited to facts which it is deemed necessary to make known to the 
House and should not be designed to provoke debate at this stage. A 
spokesman for each of the parties in opposition to the government may 
comment briefly, subject to the same limitation. 

3. In keeping with the recommendation made in your Committee's Second 
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298 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Committee recommends that the new section set out herein be in effect from 
the day this Report is adopted until the end of the present session, unless it is 
otherwise ordered by the House. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-ll, An Act to incorporate Canadian Conference of the Brethren in 
Christ Church, was read the second time and referred to the Standing Commit- 
tee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

Bill S-14, An Act respecting The Dominion Life Assurance Company, was 
read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Banking and 
Commerce. 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau, 
seconded by Mr. Paul, — That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of 
all maps, drawn up or deposited with the Chief Electoral Officer or the Repre- 
sentation Commissioner, pertaining to the proposed redistribution of electoral 
boundaries in Canada. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
112). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Hahn, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mrs. Konantz be substituted for that of Mr. Pennell on the Stand- 
ing Committee on External Affairs. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Hahn, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Chretien be substituted for that of Mr. Armstrong on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.03 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A: 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 7th MAY 299 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Larnontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated October 16, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or other documents exchanged 
between the government and any agency or branch thereof and any other gov- 
ernment, organization or person since January 1, 1962, dealing with the proposal 
that another or second Trans-Canada Highway be built. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 100). 

By Mr. Larnontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 8, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or other documents exchanged 
between the government and any agency or branch thereof, and any other per- 
son, group or organization, regarding the R.R. 1 River John, Pictou County, 
Nova Scotia, mail route contract. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 91) . 

By Mr. Larnontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, (Question No. 526) showing: 1. How much has the government spent in 
Lotbiniere County since January 1, 1963, under the butter subsidy programme 
(at 12 cents per pound)? 

2. Since October 31, 1963, (a) how many pounds of butter have been stored 
in the constituency of Lotbiniere (b) what is the market value of this butter 
(c) what have been the total storage charges (d) what private organizations 
or individuals store this butter in the constituency of Lotbiniere (e) when did 
each of these organizations get into business? 

3. For each of the years 1962 and 1963, and since January 1, 1964, (a) 
how many requests for farm loans did the government receive from Lotbiniere 
County (b) how many loans were approved (c) what is the total amount of 
loans approved? 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Consolidated 
Index and Table of Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada 
Gazette, Part II, for the period January 1, 1955 to March 31, 1964. (English and 
French) . 



At 10.27 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 8th May, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Cashin and Fairweather be substituted for those 
of Messrs. Moreau and Nielsen on the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections. 



Mr. Hellyer, seconded by Mr. Cardin, moved, — That a Special Committee 
be appointed to continue the consideration of matters relating to defence begun 
by the Special Committee at the past Session and to report from time to time 
its observations and opinions thereon; 

That the Committee have power to send for persons, papers and records 
and to examine witnesses; 

That it be empowered to adjourn from place to place; 

That the minutes of the proceedings and evidence taken by the Special 
Committee at the past Session be referred to the said Committee and made a 
part of the records thereof; and 

That the Committee consist of 24 Members to be designated by the House 
at a later date, and that Standing Order 67(1) be suspended in relation thereto. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-90, An Act to amend 
the National Defence Act; 

Mr. Hellyer, seconded by Mr. Cardin, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



302 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 5 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-25, An Act to amend 
the Broadcasting Act (Political Programs) ; 

Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Choquette, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the said bill be 
not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred 
to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the latter motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Standing Committee on Privileges and 
Elections. 



The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-10, An Act to provide for the Establishment of Harbour 
Commissions. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that 
the Senate had passed the following bills to which concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-12, An Act respecting Allstate Insurance Company of Canada. — 
Mr. Ryan. 

Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate Evangeline Savings and Mortgage Com- 
pany. — Mr. Regan. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 



Returns and. Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return 
to an Order of the House, dated March 4, 1964, for a copy of all letters, mem- 
oranda, briefs or other documents exchanged since April 22, 1963, between any 
of the staff associations of the Public Service of Canada and the Prime Min- 
ister, the Minister of Finance, the Secretary of State or any official of these 



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Departments or the Civil Service Commission on the subject (a) of cyclical 
reviews of salaries for the public service (b) salary increases for those clerical 
and other grades which did not receive increases after the last review. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 24). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated March 25, 1964, to 
His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any agency or 
branch thereof and the Government of the Province of British Columbia since 
January 1, 1963 relating to the Stewart-Cassiar Road. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 64). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Supplementary Return to an Order of the House, 
dated April 22, 1964, for a copy of all letters written, or telegrams sent, by the 
Prime Minister between February 17 and March 20, 1964, relating to the 
proposed functions of a Parliamentary Committee to study the Canada Pension 
Plan. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 101). 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Standing Orders, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was 
read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that its quorum be reduced from eight to six 
Members, and that Standing Order 65(1) (g) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), 
seconded by Mr. Winch, the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Prittie be substituted for that of Mr. Howard on the Standing 
Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Press Release dated May 6, 1964, from the Meeting of the G.A.T.T. Trade Nego- 
tiations Committee at Ministerial Level, held May 4-6, 1964. (English and 
French). 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-10, An Act to provide for the Establishment of Harbour Commis- 
sions. — Mr. Pickersgill. 



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Mr. Sharp, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Export Credits 
Insurance Act to increase from four hundred million dollars to six hundred 
million dollars the limit of the liability of the Export Credits Insurance Cor- 
poration under contracts of insurance entered into under section 21 of the Act; 
to enable the aggregate liability of importers under all instruments guaranteed 
by or payable to the said Corporation to be increased from three hundred mil- 
lion dollars to four hundred million dollars; to permit the said Corporation to 
enter into reciprocal arrangements with export credits insurers in other coun- 
tries for the reinsurance of liabilities under contracts of insurance with 
exporters; and to provide further for certain consequential changes in connec- 
tion with the administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. Hays, seconded by Mr. Sauve, moved, — That the House do go into Com- 
mittee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed reso- 
lution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Farm Credit Act 
to increase the authorized capital of the Farm Credit Corporation from sixteen 
million dollars to twenty-four million dollars and thereby to increase the maxi- 
mum borrowing capacity of the said Corporation from four hundred million dol- 
lars to six hundred million dollars; to increase the maximum loan limits under 
Part II of the said Act from twenty thousand dollars to forty thousand dollars; 
to increase the maximum loan limits under Part III of the said Act from twenty- 
seven thousand five hundred dollars to fifty-five thousand dollars; and to pro- 
vide further for certain other changes in connection with the administration 
and operation of the said Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 778 — Mr. Horner (Jasper-Edson) 

1. In the new International Airports at Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Toronto 
(a) who has the concession for (i) restaurants (ii) lounges (b) if rented, was 
this on a tender basis and, if so, who else tendered and what were the amounts 
of each tender (c) who are the directors of the companies involved? 

2. Does T.C.A. have a contract with Aerocaterers Limited and, if so, when 
was it signed originally and who were the signing personnel for this contract, 
and any others since then? 

3. What is the expected revenue from all sources at each of the new air- 
ports at Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Toronto? 

4. What is the total cost to date including buildings and runways of the new 
airports at Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Toronto? 

Mr. MacNaught, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



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The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Hellyer, seconded 
by Mr. Cardin, — That Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence Act be 
now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Mullally be substituted for that of Mr. O'Keefe on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton), moved, — 

That, in the opinion of this House, the government should give considera- 
tion to the undertaking of adequate and complete studies to determine the 
engineering and economic feasibilities of the Grand Canal proposal and to 
initiating such negotiations as may be necessary with the Provinces of Ontario 
and Quebec and with the Government of the United States to ensure their 
fullest cooperation in this project and that in particular the government con- 
sider: 

(1) The problems concerned with the regulation and conservation of the 
water levels, water flow and water quality on the Great Lakes, the St. Lawrence 
River, the Ottawa River, Lake Nipissing and the French River which are a 
matter of increasingly serious and frequently expressed international, national 
and provincial concern, particularly with regard to the prevailing low water 
levels on the Great Lakes and on the Ottawa River, making as one result only 
the practical extension of new navigation facilities on the Ottawa difficult to 
accomplish. 

(2) The hazards to some of these waters created by increasing industrializa- 
tion and the resulting increasing demands for withdrawals and consumptive use, 
particularly on the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence system. 

(3) The effect upon the standard of living of the many and increasing 
millions of people involved in one way or another with the above bodies of 
water and the corrective measures of a positive nature that can be undertaken. 

(4) The proposal that certain substantial and renewable sources of fresh 
water be collected by cross channels on the James Bay watershed and then be 
diverted southward by the Ottawa and Great Lakes by step-pumping developed 
in economic stages as needs increased making use of the large potential of 
unharnessed hydro power in that area. 

(5) Ways and means to facilitate the early construction of the Ottawa 
River Seaway. 

(6) Ways and means to derive the largest possible benefits of a long term 
nature that may result from the implementation of the Grand Canal proposal, 
such benefits including the revenue from the sale of water to those who would 
withdraw or consumptively use it, revenue from new hydro power development 



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for the proposed Canadian Power Grid, new opportunities for northern forest 
development, new low cost navigation facilities from Montreal to James Bay. 
— (Notice of Motion No. 16). 

And debate arising thereon; 

By unanimous consent, a document entitled "The Great Replenishment and 
Northern Development Canal— The Grand Canal (Kierans)" was laid upon 
the Table. 

And debate continuing on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau, seconded 
by Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton) ; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Hellyer, seconded 
by Mr. Cardin, — That Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence Act 
be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 
By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Byrne, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Gauthier be substituted for that of Mr. Beaule on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk, of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of Operations under the Bretton 
Woods Agreements Act (International Monetary Fund, International Bank for 
Reconstruction and Development, and International Finance Corporation) and 
Report of Operations under the International Development Association Act, for 
the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the first-mentioned Act, 
chapter 19, R.S.C., 1952, and section 5 of the latter Act, chapter 32, Statutes of 
Canada, 1960. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on Activi- 
ties under the Maritime Marshland Rehabilitation Act for the year ended March 
31, 1963, pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 175, R.S.C., 1952. (Eng- 
lish and French). 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 11th MAY 309 

At 10.25 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Basford be substituted for that of Mr. Cashin on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Hellyer, 
seconded by Mr. Cardin, — That Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence 
Act be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business, was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-12, An Act respecting Allstate Insurance Company of Canada, was 
read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Banking and 
Commerce. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-15, An Act to incor- 
porate Evangeline Savings and Mortgage Company; 

Mr. Lloyd for Mr. Regan, seconded by Mr. Ryan, moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



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(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-24, An Act to amend 
the Bank of Canada Act (Reserve); 

Mr. Cote (Chicoutimi), seconded by Mr. Frenette, moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Hellyer, seconded by 
Mr. Cardin, — That Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence Act, be now 
read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Special Committee on Defence. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to provide for the payment of certain provincial taxes and 
fees by Crown Corporations. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the 
payment of certain provincial taxes and fees by Crown Corporations on or after 
the 1st day of April, 1964. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Favreau for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Dupuis, by leave of the 
House, presented Bill C-95, An Act respecting the Payment of Certain Provin- 
cial Taxes and Fees by Crown Corporations, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to amend the Judges Act and the Exchequer Court Act. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 12th MAY 313 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Judges 
Act and the Exchequer Court Act to authorize the appointment of, and the 
provision of salary for, one additional judge of the Exchequer Court of Canada. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. Gordon, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-96, An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Exchequer Court Act, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



Bill C-94, An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act, was read the second time, 
considered in the Committee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Cornwall International Bridge Company Limited, for the year ended September 
30, 1963, certified by the Auditor General, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) 
of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, — Report of The Seaway International Bridge Corpora- 
tion, Ltd., for the year ended December 31, 1963, certified by the Auditor Gen- 
eral, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budgets 
of Eldorado Mining and Refining Limited, Northern Transportation Company 
Limited, and Eldorado Aviation Company Limited, for the year ending Decern- 



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ber 31, 1964, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, 
chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964- 
432, dated March 19, 1964, approving same. 



At 10.24 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered,— 
That the name of Mr. Loiselle be substituted for that of Mr. Lessard (Saint- 
Henri) on the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 850 — Mr. Peters 

1. Under the ARDA program, what projects were approved, by provinces, 
in 1963 and in the first three months of 1964? 

2. What was the cost of each project approved by ARDA, and the details 
of the projects approved? 

3. What projects have been rejected in the same period, and what was the 
reason the proposed plans were rejected by ARDA? 

Mr. Beer, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 914 — Mr. Matheson 
1. What official or officials of the C.B.C. invited Marcel Chaput, the author 
of "Why I am a Separatist" to participate in each of the following French net- 
work radio and television programs, namely (a) Radio Network (French): 
June 8, 1961 Place Publique; November 17, 1961 Rondpoint; December 26, 1961 
Rondpoint; December 29, 1961 Rondpoint; December 7, 1961 Partage; February 
15, 1962 Place Publique; February 28, 1962 Metro-Magazine; January 17, 1962 
Rondpoint; August 6, 1962 Metro-Magazine; September 25, 1962 Metro-Maga- 



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zine; December 18, 1962 Partage du matin; July 23, 1963 Partage du matin; 
August 29, 1963 Partage du matin (b) Television Network (French): Novem- 
ber 15, 1960 Carrefour; November 20, 1961 Carrefour; December 9, 1962 Trib- 
une Libre; March 18, 1963 Aujourd'hui; April 23, 1963 Aujourd'hui; May 5, 
1963 Tribune Libre; August 13, 1963 Aujourd'hui; August 23 1963 Conference 
de Presse; January 18, 1964 Champ Libre; January 22, 1964 Aujourd'hui? 

2. What invitations, if any, were extended by C.B.C. to the said Marcel 
Chaput to present his views to the Radio Network (English) and the Television 
Network (English), by whom and when? 

3. Of the thirty C.B.C. radio and television programs produced in 1963 
designed to foster and strengthen national unity (see question 456), were only 
the following available to French listeners, namely: (a) Citizens' Forum — 
Confederation a Century Later — Does it Still Work (b) A Special — The John- 
son-Lesage Debate and, if so, for what reasons? 

Mr. MacNaught, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, letters, 
telegrams received by the Minister of National Revenue or his employees 
concerning charitable donation receipts disallowed during 1963 in the Province 
of Quebec. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 119 — Mr. 
Langlois) . 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-96, An Act to amend 
the Judges Act and the Exchequer Court Act; 

Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported with an amendment, and considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



Bill C-95, An Act respecting the Payment of Certain Provincial Taxes and 
Fees by Crown Corporations was read the second time, considered in Committee 
of the Whole, reported with an amendment, and considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



. (By unanimous consent, at 4.50 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business 

was called) 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item numbered 17 having been called for the first time was allowed to 
itand at the request of the government. 



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Mr. Prittie, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the federal government should give consideration to the advisability of 
constructing a bridge or tunnel across the North arm of the Fraser River 
between the City of Vancouver and Sea Island in the municipality of Richmond 
for the purpose of assuring uninterrupted access to the Vancouver International 
Airport. — (Notice of Motion No. 18). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Olson, Beaule and Morison be substituted for those of 
Messrs. Leboe, Gauthier and Miss Jewett on the Standing Committee on Privi- 
leges and Elections. 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Olson be substituted for that of Mr. Patterson on the Standing 
Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Capital Budget of 
the Farm Credit Corporation for the year ending March 31, 1965, pursuant to 
section 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, 
together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-539, dated April 16, 1964, 
approving same. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 29, 1964, for a copy of every report made 
by any contracting authority as denned in paragraph 2 (c) of the Government 
Contracts Regulations (since April 8, 1963) to the Treasury Board as required 
by paragraph 8 of the Government Contracts Regulations. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 80). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, for a copy of every report made by any contracting authority as denned 
in paragraph 2 (c) of the Government Contracts Regulations (since April 8, 
1963) to the Treasury Board as required by paragraph 11 of the Government 
Contracts Regulations. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
81). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29 
1964, for a copy of all orders by the Minister of National Revenue since April 
18, 1961 under the provisions of Section 38 of the Customs Act for the purpose 
of fixing duties. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 111). 

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By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated March 4, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, dated since 
January 11, 1964, between the Prime Minister of Canada and the provincial 
governments, with reference to the proposed Canada Pension Plan, including 
all correspondence referring to the revised terms of the Plan as set out in the 
Prime Minister's memorandum to the provinces dated January 11, 1964. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 4). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated May 6, 
1964, for a copy of all petitions sponsored by the Nelson Chamber of Commerce 
signed by residents of Kootenay East and West urging immediate ratification 
of the Columbia River Treaty, received by the government since January 1, 
1964. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 114). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated May 6, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of the 1943 agreement between 
the federal government and the Province of Alberta respecting P.F.R.A. projects 
in that Province. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 116). 

By Mr. Pickersgill for Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, 
dated March 11, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams etc., since 
April 22, 1963 between the Saskatchewan Rivers Development Association 
and the Prime Minister of Canada concerning the provision of full protection 
of Canada's rights to the use of the Columbia River waters in any agreement 
with the United States. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 68). 

By Mr. Pickersgill for Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated 
October 9, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for copies of all 
correspondence between the federal and provincial governments or any minis- 
ters thereof in regard to the Municipal Loan Fund. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 87). 

By Mr. Tremblay, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Number and Amount of Loans made to Indians under section 69(1) of 
the Indian Act in the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 69(6) 
of the said Act, chapter 149, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



By unanimous consent, at 5.55 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker presented the Fourth Report of the Special Committee on 
Procedure and Organization which is as follows: 

1. In its First Report, your Committee drew attention to the broad scope 
of its task and outlined some thirty-six specific problems requiring consideration. 
These problems fall within three general subject areas — "Procedure", "Organ- 
ization" and what, for want of a better term, your Committee has labelled 
"Establishment". Work has been going ahead concurrently in all three areas 
through the Sub-Committees under the chairmanship of Mr. Knowles, Mr. 
Lambert and Miss Jewett respectively. 

2. Your Committee's Second and Third Reports concerned themselves 
entirely with procedure. They proposed the adoption on a trial basis of changes 
that would tighten up the control of Questions on Orders of the Day; provide 
for a half hour adjournment debate three evenings a week; and regulate the 
practice of making statements on Motions in an orderly manner. On motion 
of Mr. Knowles, both reports were concurred in by the House and the trial of 
the new procedures is now under way. 

3. The present report is concerned with two questions within the compe- 
tence of the Sub-Committee on Organization, as follows: 

(1) The desirability of extending simultaneous interpretation services to 
all galleries of the House of Commons; 

(2) The renovation of the Chamber and the Centre Block building. 

(1) SIMULTANEOUS INTERPRETATION SERVICES FOR GALLERIES 

4. At present, simultaneous interpretation service is available only to 
Members on the floor of the House and to occupants of the Official Gallery, 

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the Press Gallery and the Diplomatic Gallery. With the great increase in the 
number of visitors from all parts of Canada, your Committee believes that the 
time has come to extend simultaneous interpretation services to all galleries 
so that visitors will be enabled to follow debates readily, regardless of which 
of the two official languages is being spoken. There would seem to be some 
inconsistency in printing Hansard and other parliamentary papers in both 
official languages for those who wish to read the debates and failing, on the 
other hand, to provide interpretation services for those who wish to hear 
the debates. Your Committee is unanimous in the view that simultaneous inter- 
pretation services should be provided in all public galleries at the earliest 
possible date. At the very latest, these services should be in place in time for 
the Centennial of Canada's Confederation. 

5. In that connection, your Committee has learned from consultation with 
senior officials of the Department of Public Works that, in the near future, 
extensive work must be carried out in the galleries involving the repair of 
floors and ceilings and the replacement of seats. The installation of simultaneous 
interpretation services could be done most efficiently and most economically 
at the same time as this other essential maintenance and repair work is being 
undertaken. 

6. Without wishing in any way to appear to be giving technical advice, 
your Committee suggests that careful thought be given to the choice of equip- 
ment. There are a number of problems to be considered such as the need for 
disinfecting equipment after each use and the potential loss of equipment if 
portable earpieces were used. Your Committee assumes that, if the Government 
decides to implement its recommendation, the various alternative types of 
equipment will all be considered in an effort to select that best suited to the 
peculiar needs of the House. 

(2) RENOVATION OF THE CHAMBER AND THE CENTRE BLOCK 

7. Your Committee was informed by senior officials of the Department 
of Public Works that major renovation and repair work is necessary, both 
in the Chamber itself and elsewhere throughout the Centre Block building. 
The work in the Chamber is extensive and involves stone work, glazing, 
lighting, seating and other general repairs or replacements. Its completion, 
we have been advised, will require approximately nine months' work. Ideally, 
there should be recesses — or other periods when the Chamber is not in use — 
averaging three months in each of the next three years (1964, 65, 66), if the 
Chamber is to be completely refurbished in time for the Centennial year. 

8. We have been informed that the work elsewhere in the building is of 
major proportions and will involve, among other things, complete re- wiring, 
extensive plumbing and the installation of air-conditioning throughout the 
building. We understand that there is also some work to be done in the Library, 
the Hall of Honour and the Restaurant and its kitchen area. This work would 
involve major disruption and disorder in the building if it were the intention 
to have it completed by 1967. Public Works officials indicate that this could 
only be done by dividing the building into thirteen zones and completing the 
work in one zone at a time. Since the East Block will not be available to 
Parliament until after 1967, it would be necessary to have a good deal of 
doubling up of Members while the work in the various zones was in progress. 
There is also a very real risk that, because of the major proportions of the 
job and the possibility of unexpected but unavoidable delays, the objective 
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possible that, even at the expense of serious inconvenience to Members over 
a three-year period, the building could be in a state of some disorder during 
the Centennial year. 

9. After very careful consideration, your Committee reached two unani- 
mous conclusions: 

(1) That the renovation and repair of the Chamber itself be scheduled 
in such a manner as to have the work completed in time for the 
Centennial year; 

(2) That it would be unrealistic to attempt to complete the major work 
elsewhere in the building before 1967. Moreover, it could be carried 
out much more efficiently and with less inconvenience to all concerned 
if it were scheduled when a substantial part of the building could be 
temporarily evacuated to the East Block. 

10. It is understood, of course, that the second conclusion would not 
mean that normal maintenance and repair would come to a standstill for the 
next three years nor would it preclude new major work that could be carried 
out in the interval without serious disruption or inconvenience to Members. 

11. Your Committee hopes that the views expressed in this Report will 
commend themselves to the House and to the Government. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Prud'homme, Lessard (Saint-Henri), and Cashin be sub- 
stituted for those of Messrs. Drouin, Loiselle and Basford on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Privileges and Elections. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Regan be substituted for that of Mr. Cashin on the Standing 
Committee on External Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the Special Committee on Defence, appointed on May 8, 1964, be composed of 
Messrs. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), Bechard, Brewin, Deachman, Fane, 
Granger, Groos, Hahn, Harkness, Lambert, Langlois, Laniel, Lessard (Lac- 
Saint- Jean), Lloyd, MacLean (Queens), MacRae, Martineau, Matheson, Mc- 
Millan, Nielsen, Pilon, Smith, Temple, and Winch. 



On motion of Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, it was resolved, — 
That, notwithstanding Standing Order 56(5), on the next occasion when a mo- 
tion for an order for supply is called, the estimates of six departments of the 
government instead of three be taken up and entered for consideration and 
that the said motion be deemed to be the fourth supply motion in the current 
session. 



On motion of Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, it was resolved, — 
That on Friday next, the hours of sitting shall be from 10.00 a.m. to 2.00 



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p.m. without interruption, and when the House adjourns that day, it shall 
stand adjourned until Tuesday, May 19, 1964, at 2.30 p.m.; and that in relation 
thereto, the provisions of Standing Orders 2 and 6, shall be suspended. 



Mr. Mcllraith for Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — 
That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to 
consider the following proposed resolution which has been recommended to 
the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to authorize the implementation 
of certain recommendations of the Royal Commission on Transportation with 
respect to the rationalization of branch lines of railways and passenger train 
services and the fixing of freight rates under and consistent with a national 
transportation policy suited to modern transportation conditions; to establish a 
Branch Line Rationalization Authority and a Branch Line Rationalization Fund 
to be continued for fifteen years to assist in the establishment of an orderly pro- 
gram for the improvement of the efficiency of railway branch lines; to provide 
authority for public funds to be used where assistance of a type similar to that 
provided by the Branch Line Rationalization Fund may be required after such 
fifteen-year period; to provide for payments out of the Consolidated Revenue 
Fund on a reducing scale for a period of five years commencing with 1964 to 
compensate railways under the jurisdiction of Parliament for passenger train 
deficits incurred in Canada during such period; to authorize payments to main- 
tain the prevailing level of freight rates on western grain moving by rail to 
export positions; to permit the lapsing of the subsidy (known as the "bridge" 
subsidy) now provided for the maintenance of the trackage of the Canadian 
Pacific Railway Company between Sudbury and Fort William and the cor- 
responding trackage of the Canadian National Railway Company between Cap- 
reol and Fort William and between Cochrane and Armstrong; to authorize 
agreements relating to the carriage by rail of Her Majesty's mail, and members 
of the Canadian Forces and police travelling on Her Majesty's service and to 
provide further for other matters consequential upon or related or incidental to 
any of the foregoing. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-91, An Act to 
amend the Income Tax Act; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

Mr. Plourde, seconded by Mr. Gauthier, proposed to move in amendment 
thereto, — That Bill C-91, be not now read a second time, but that it be resolved 
that in the opinion of this House an investigation should be ordered into the 
operations of the inspectors of the Quebec office of the Department of National 
Revenue. 

And a point of order having been raised thereon; 



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RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 
Mr. Deputy Speaker: I feel that the proposed amendment is out of order 
because it is not relevant to the matter now before the House. I would simply 
refer honourable Members to May, 16th edition, page 554, where it says that 
an amendment is out of order if it is irrevelant to the subject-matter or beyond 
the scope of the bill. This amendment deals with matters relevant, I suggest, 
to the administration of the Department of National Revenue and not relevant 
to the bill now before us. With regret I must therefore say that the amendment 
is out of order. 



And debate continuing on the main motion; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers) ] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martineau, 
seconded by Mr. Paul, — That an Order of the House do issue for a copy of all 
maps, drawn up or deposited with the Chief Electoral Officer or the Representa- 
tion Commissioner, pertaining to the proposed redistribution of electoral bound- 
aries in Canada. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 112). 

And debate continuing; at 5.43 o'clock p.m., Mr. Deputy Speaker inter- 
rupted the proceedings pursuant to Provisional Standing Order 47(2). 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was negatived on the 
following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Doucett, 


Macquarrie, 


Rheaume, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fane, 


Martineau, 


Ricard, 


Baldwin, 


Forbes, 


Monteith, 


Rondeau, 


Beaule, 


Gauthier, 


Moore, 


Rynard, 


Belanger, 


Girouard, 


More, 


Slogan, 


Bell, 


Gundlock, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Southam, 


Boutin, 


Hales, 


Nugent, 


Stefanson, 


Cardiff, 


Hamilton, 


Ormiston, 


Stenson, 


Churchill, 


Jorgenson, 


Ouellet, 


Thomas, 


Clancy, 


Lambert, 


Pascoe, 


Valade, 


Crouse, 


Laprise, 


Paul, 


Vincent, 


Danforth, 


Latulippe, 


Pigeon, 


Webb, 


Diefenbaker, 


MacEwan, 


Plourde, 


Willoughby, 


Dinsdale, 


Maclnnis, 


Pugh, 


Winkler, 


Dionne, 


MacLean (Queens), Rapp, 


Woolliams— 60 






Nays 








Messrs: 




Addison, 


Benson, 


Byrne, 


Cardin, 


Badanai, 


Berger, 


Cameron (High 


Caron, 


Barnett, 


Blouin, 


Park), 


Carter, 


Batten, 


Boulanger, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Choquette, 


Bechard, 


Brewin, 


Cowichan-The 


Chretien, 


Beer, 


Brown, 


Islands), 


Cowan, 



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Crossman, 


Habel, 


MacEachen, 


Richard, 


Cyr, 


Haidasz, 


MacNaught, 


Rinfret, 


Davis, 


Harley, 


Mcllraith, 


Robichaud, 


Deachman, 


Hays, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Rochon, 


Deschatelets, 


Hellyer, 


McMillan, 


Rock, 


Douglas, 


Herridge, 


McWilliam, 


Roxburgh, 


Drury, 


Kelly, 


Marcoux, 


Scott, 


Dube, 


Klein, 


Mather, 


Stewart, 


Emard, 


Knowles, 


Matheson, 


Tardif, 


Eudes, 


Laehance, 


Moreau, 


Teillet, 


Favreau, 


Lamontagne, 


Morison, 


Temple, 


Forgie, 


Laniel 


Mullally, 


Thompson, 


Francis, 


Laverdiere, 


Munro, 


Tucker, 


Frenette, 


Leblanc, 


Nixon, 


Turner, 


Gelber, 


Leduc, 


Olson, 


Wahn, 


Godin, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- 


Patterson, 


Walker, 


Gordon, 


Jean), 


Peters, 


Watson (Chateau- 


Gray, 


Lessard (Saint- 


Pilon, 


guay-Huntingdon 


Greene, 


Henri), 


Prittie, 


Laprairie), 


Groos, 


Lloyd, 


Prud'homme, 


Whelan, 


Guay, 


Macaluso, 


Regan, 


Winch— 101. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Mcllraith, — That Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, be now 
read a second time; 

After further debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it 
was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



At 10.25 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
10.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Order made this day. 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 15th MAY, 1964. 



10.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council laid before the 
House, — Copy of a statement by the Secretary of State for External Affairs on 
May 12, 1964, to the NATO Council. 



Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Winch, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-97, An Act to provide for the British North America Act to be known 
also as the Constitution of Canada, which was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Mcllraith for Mr. Drury, a Member of the 
Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — Copy of a Declaration under 
the Canada Evidence Act, dated May 8, 1964, made by Gordon F. McKay, 
Regional Purchasing Agent of the Department of Defence Production, Edmon- 
ton, Alberta, concerning a contract for the delivery of milk and milk products 
by Purity Dairy to R.C.A.F. Station Namao and Griesbach Army Depot. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-17, An Act respecting the Territorial Sea and Fish- 
ing Zones of Canada, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 

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At 2.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until Tuesday next 
at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Thursday, May 14th. 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 19th MAY, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Speaker presented the Fifth Report of the Special Committee on Pro- 
cedure and Organization which is as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that the provisional Standing Orders and 
recommendations contained in your Committee's Second Report, concurred in 
by the House on April 20th, 1964, which are now in effect until the end of 
May, be continued in effect until the end of the present session, unless it is 
otherwise ordered by the House. 



Mr. Harley, from the Special Committee on Food and Drugs, presented the 
Second Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to meet in Montreal on 
Thursday and Friday, May 28th and 29th, 1964. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Macaluso, 
the said Report was concurred in. 

The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-17, An Act respecting the Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of 
Canada. — Mr. Martin (Essex East). 

The following Notices of Motions having been called were transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That the Reports of the Canada Council for the fiscal years ended March 
31, 1962 and March 31, 1963, tabled on October 10, 1962 and on July 11, 1963 

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respectively, be referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts in 
order to provide for a review thereof pursuant to section 23 of the Canada 
Council Act. — The Secretary of State. 

That the Public Accounts, Volumes I, II and III for the fiscal years ended 
March 31, 1962 and March 31, 1963, and the Reports of the Auditor General 
thereon, tabled on January 21, 1963 and on February 19, 1964 respectively, 
together with the financial statements of the Canada Council for the fiscal years 
ended March 31, 1962 and March 31, 1963 and the Reports of the Auditor Gen- 
eral thereon, tabled on October 10, 1962 and on July 11, 1963 respectively, 
be referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. — The Minister 
of Finance. 

That it is expedient that the Houses of Parliament do approve of Conven- 
tion No. Ill concerning discrimination in respect of employment and occupa- 
tion, which was adopted by the International Labour Conference on the 25th 
of June, 1958, and that this House do approve the same. — The Minister of 
Labour. 



Mr. MacNaught for Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. MacEachen, moved, — 
That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to con- 
sider the following proposed resolution which has been recommended to the 
House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the retirement 
upon attaining the age of seventy-five years, of any person appointed to the 
Senate after the coming into force of the said measure; to extend the provisions 
of the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act to such persons; to 
provide for the granting of an annuity to any person appointed to the Senate 
before the coming into force of the said measure who resigns his place in the 
Senate after having attained the age of seventy-five years or having become 
afflicted with a permanent infirmity disabling him from the performance of his 
duties; and to provide further for the granting of an annuity to the widow of a 
person who was granted such an annuity upon resigning his place in the Senate. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act was again considered in 
Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-26, An Act to amend 
the Bank of Canada Act (Form and Material of Notes); 



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Mr. Cote (Chicoutimi), seconded by Mr. Thompson, moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-91, 
An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, which was reported with amendments, 
considered as amended, and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Bank Act and the Quebec Savings Banks 
Act, and progress having been made and reported, the Committee obtained 
leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.03 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 8, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert 
Lessard, of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the President of the Privy Coun- 
cil or any officials of his Secretariat, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 33). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Supplementary 
Report of the Canadian Wheat Board on the 1962-63 Pool Accounts for Wheat, 
Oats and Barley, certified by the Auditors, pursuant to section 7(2) of the 
Canadian Wheat Board Act, chapter 44, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 10.32 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 20th MAY, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Seven petitions for Private Bills were presented in accordance with 
Standing Order 70(1). 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-21, An Act to authorize the Construction and Main- 
tenance of a Bridge across the St. Lawrence River between the City of Ste- 
Foy, in the County of Quebec, and the Municipality of St-Nicolas, in the 
County of Levis, both in the Province of Quebec, to which the concurrence of 
this House is desired. 



Mr. Speaker presented the Sixth Report of the Special Committee on 
Procedure and Organization, which is as follows: 

1. Previous reports of your Committee have dealt with questions of 
Procedure and Organization. The present report is concerned with the subject 
matter being considered by the Establishment Sub-Committee. Specifically, 
it deals with the first item on the list of topics referred to that Sub-Committee, 
namely, "The Speaker's establishment — staffing of the House". It outlines a 
revised organization structure for the House of Commons staff proposed by 
Mr. Speaker, concurred in by your Committee, and approved by the Com- 
missioners of Internal Economy. 

2. The House will recall that, in December of last year, Mr. Speaker 
requested the Organization Division of the Civil Service Commission to 
undertake a complete organization survey of the services of the House (See 
First Report of the Special Committee on Procedure and Organization, First 
Session, 26th Parliament — Votes and Proceedings for December 19th, 1963, pp. 
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332 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

the least possible delay — is the result of that survey and of subsequent con- 
sultation bjr Mr. Speaker with the Clerk and other principal officers of the 
House, the Director of the Bureau of Government Organization, the Secretary 
of the Treasury Board, the Auditor General and other senior government 
officials. The reorganization will affect the activities of all branches and 
sections in the service of the House, excluding the Library of Parliament 
which will be the subject of a separate study. 

3. While the study was expected to uncover significant administrative 
problems, it was not intended to find individual solutions to these problems. 
The purpose rather was to devise an organization structure wherein the alloca- 
tion of authority and responsibility would be such that senior officials would 
have both the time and the authority to take decisions and actions necessary 
to solve these problems. The revised organization and the more important 
factors leading to its adoption are outlined briefly in the paragraphs that 
follow. 

4. The staff of the House of Commons is now the equivalent of a small 
government department involving, as it does, some 1,000 employees. The Clerk 
of the House who is, in effect, the deputy minister of the department, has as 
his major function the highly specialized job at the Table where he is Mr. 
Speaker's principal adviser. With his wide knowledge and long experience in 
parliamentary practices and procedures, the present Clerk has been a wise 
and learned counsel to successive Speakers and a most valuable servant of 
the entire House. However, in spite of his extremely heavy responsibilities 
at the Table, the Clerk has had to spend a disproportionately large amount of 
his time in dealing with administrative and personnel problems, large and 
small. Far too many routine administrative questions are not only coming 
to the Clerk but, all too frequently, to Mr. Speaker and to the Commissioners 
of Internal Economy themselves. 

5. In that connection, the study brought to light some 170 specific problems 
in the administration of the House of Commons services. Fully half of these 
problems are in the broad area of personnel. These include personal grievances 
as to salary level, insufficient staff, unsatisfactory working conditions or hours, 
doubtful hiring practices, and so on. The fact that these problems have gone 
unsolved should not be considered in any way to be a reflection on the capacity 
or effectiveness of officers now in positions of authority. It results rather from 
the fact that the present organizational structure simply does not provide suffi- 
cient senior staff time to pursue problems to a solution, even if the solution 
is but an informed answer as to why present conditions with respect to a 
particular grievance do not warrant change. In short, too many questions are 
being left unanswered for too long a period and become, at least in the mind 
of the individual employee concerned, major and deep-seated grievances. 

6. Under the present authority structure — which has remained relatively 
unchanged for many years — every one of the twenty-odd branch heads reports 
direct either to the Clerk or to the Sergeant-at-Arms. This makes it extremely 
difficult for these two senior officers to maintain effective supervision and 
control. While the authority structure had remained static over the years, 
far-reaching changes have been taking place in the volume, nature and com- 
plexity of the work performed by the various services. The following are a 
few examples: 

(1) In 1961 the classification (salary levels) of positions was removed 
from the authority of the Civil Service Act and became the responsi- 
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A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 20th MAY 333 

assessing the relative responsibilities in various positions and estab- 
lishing salary relativity. In the short period of three years a feeling 
has developed among employees that salaries depend to a large 
extent on the amount of pressure an employee can bring to bear 
on House officials. Even more serious, when a salary adjustment 
has been granted for good and sufficient reason, there is too fre- 
quently a suspicion on the part of others that the adjustment may 
have been based in some way on personal influence. 

(2) Sessions have lengthened and sittings have become more frequent. 
This development has largely destroyed the basis for many of the 
House of Commons' personnel policies. In many branches there is 
insufficient relief in the workload to compensate employees, during 
recesses and between sessions, for the long hours and heavy burdens 
they must bear while the House is sitting. 

(3) Members of Parliament and House of Commons Services are now 
located in two buildings instead of one — and eventually there will 
be three. All but a few of the service branches have been affected 
by this change. Problems of distance, of increased building services 
and of the establishment of sub-offices are many. 

(4) The increased use of the French language has had a marked in- 
fluence on the volume and nature of the work. Any decision to 
extend the use of French should be preceded by a plan for ensuring 
that staff and other resources are made available for making the 
decision effective. 

(5) There are now five political parties represented in the House and 
this has put a strain on some of the service facilities. Accommoda- 
tion problems have resulted and heavier demands are being made 
on the advisory chamber services such as the Journals Branch. 

(6) The amenities and services provided to Members have been in- 
creased. To all intents and purposes each Member now has a private 
office and a personal secretary. Over a period of time, the admin- 
istrative staff has lost control over the employment and productivity 
of Members' stenographers, creating an unstable and administra- 
tively difficult situation. 

(7) The Parliament Buildings, in recent years, have become a much- 
visited tourist attraction, particularly since the Changing of the 
Guard was introduced. Problems have arisen in controlling crowds 
and providing guided tours. The size of the protective staff has 
had to be increased and security measures against petty thievery 
and vandalism have had to be strengthened. Parking control has 
also become much more difficult. 

7. Taken together, all the foregoing changes in the volume and complexity 
of House of Commons Services demand a radical re-arrangement of the 
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includes positions for administrators who have the time, the skill and the 
authority to deal effectively with administrative and personnel problems. 

8. The new plan of organization, as proposed by the Speaker and approved 
by the Commissioners of Internal Economy on May 12th, provides for the 
following new positions: 

Director of Administration, 

Director of Legislative Services, 

Executive Assistant to the Speaker, 

Secretary for Parliamentary Associations, 

Second Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms (Sessional). 

It also provides for the position of Sergeant-at-Arms to be re-titled "Sergeant- 
at-Arms and Director of Building Services". 

9. The three Directors — i.e. — the Sergeant-at-Arms and Director of Build- 
ing Services, the Director of Administration and the Director of Legislative 
Services — will be constituted as a formal Staff Board to which all questions 
respecting establishment and personnel will be referred, whatever the source 
of the questions and whatever the branch involved. The Director of Admin- 
istration will be Chairman of the Staff Board and the Chief of Personnel will 
be its Secretary. 

10. In addition to the creation of these new positions and the establish- 
ment of the Staff Board, immediate steps are being taken to have a thorough 
classification study made of all positions on the House of Commons staff with 
a view to making salary adjustments where warranted. The Chairman of 
the Civil Service Commission has agreed to make a trained classification 
officer available for this survey but decisions on his recommendations will be 
the prerogative of the House on the recommendation of the Commissioners 
of Internal Economy. 

11. Provision will also be made for a formal Grievance Procedure which 
will provide for consideration of grievances by: 

(i) the immediate supervisor of the aggrieved employee and, failing 
satisfaction, by 

(ii) the Director concerned and, failing satisfaction, by 

(iii) the Staff Board and, failing satisfaction, by 

(iv) the Clerk of the House of Commons, 

all with pre-determined time periods for each step in the procedure. The 
presentation of grievances direct to the Speaker or to individual Members of 
Parliament will not be permitted. 

12. The Sergeant-at-Arms and Director of Building Services will con- 
tinue to be responsible for the planning, development and execution of work 
by such services as: protective staff; equipment and purchasing; messengers; 
pages; maintenance and cleaning; restaurant and cafeterias. In relation to these 
"housekeeping" duties, he will report to the Clerk; in relation to his historic 
ceremonial duties, he will report direct to Mr. Speaker. However, in order 
to relieve the Sergeant-at-Arms of the need to spend long hours in the 
Chamber, at the neglect of his important management responsibilities, he will 
be provided with a Second Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms (Sessional). This ses- 
sional Deputy will be a retired service officer who will be paid a modest 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 20th MAY 335 

salary and whose duties will cease when the House is not sitting. The Sergeant- 
at-Arms himself will, of course, continue to lead the Speaker's Procession each 
sitting day and will personally carry out the duties in the Chamber on impor- 
tant state occasions. 

13. The Director of Administration will relieve the Clerk of routine 
signing and approval duties and will be responsible for the execution of 
work in the several administrative service branches. Work in the fields of 
personnel and financial control will be among his major responsibilities and, 
as noted above, he will be permanent Chairman of the Staff Board. The 
appointment of a Director of Administration will pinpoint responsibility for 
the solution of administrative, financial and personnel problems and will do 
more than anything else to free the Clerk for the performance of those duties 
for which he is particularly qualified and paid. 

14. The Director of Legislative Services will be responsible for all work 
centred on the Chamber, excepting the work of the Parliamentary Counsel and 
the two Clerk Assistants. He v/ill supervise the Committees Branch, English 
and French Debates, English and French Journals and the English and French 
Index and Reference Branches. He will also serve as Third Clerk Assistant 
and have some duties at the Table. 

15. A position of Executive Assistant to the Speaker is provided for in 
the new plan of organization but there is no necessity for filling the position 
at the present time. A senior civil servant has been seconded to Mr. Speaker 
as Secretary of your Committee and, for the duration of that assignment, he 
is carrying out executive assistant duties as well. When the Secretary returns 
to the regular civil service there will be a continuing need for a position of 
Executive Assistant to help Mr. Speaker in a personal and advisory way in 
those areas where administrative and technical assistance is not provided for 
in the regular chain of command. 

16. The Secretary for Parliamentary Associations, working under either 
the Director of Administration or the Executive Assistant, will be responsible 
for coordinating the staff services and controlling the budget allocations of the 
various interparliamentary groups — e.g. — Commonwealth Parliamentary As- 
sociation, NATO Parliamentarians, Interparliamentary Union, Canada-U.S. In- 
terparliamentary Group — and other special parliamentary visits arranged from 
time to time. There is some possibility that for this position a man could 
be recruited who would be capable of combining this work with the continuing 
duties of Executive Assistant to the Speaker. 

17. For the convenience of Members, two organization charts are appended 
to this report showing the old and the new authority structures. 

18. Your Committee is of the opinion that the reorganization described 
herein represents the first step that should be taken in bringing the organiza- 
tion structure of the House of Commons services into line with their altered 
and increased responsibilities. Once these changes have been made, the three 
Directors — individually and as members of the Staff Board — should be able 
to proceed quickly with the analysis and implementation of changes at the 
Branch level and with the solution of outstanding problems. Your Committee 
notes with approval that Mr. Speaker intends to proceed without delay in 
filling the new positions, constituting the Staff Board, carrying out a complete 
classification study of all positions and establishing a formal grievance pro- 
cedure. 

19. Your Committee stands ready to examine and report on the effective- 
ness of the new organization when it is fully in operation. 



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338 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Speaker presented the Seventh Report of the Special Committee on 
Procedure and Organization which is as follows: 

Your Committee has given consideration to the urgent problem of French 
reporting in House of Commons Committees. In this connection, your Com- 
mittee has considered the Third Report of the Standing Committee on Debates 
made to the House on December 20th, 1963. In view of the pressing necessity 
to find some immediate solution to the problem, your Committee recommends 
that satisfactory electronic recording apparatus be installed at the earliest 
possible date, to be used on a trial basis in selected committee rooms. 

By unanimous consent, Mr. Lambert, seconded by Mr. Gregoire, moved, — 
That the said Report be now concurred in. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



Mr. Hahn, from the Special Committee on Defence, presented the First 
Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto; 

2. That it be granted leave to sit while the House is sitting. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Hahn, seconded by Mr. Lambert, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Loiselle, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-5, An Act respecting The General 
Council of the Canadian Branch of the St. John Ambulance Association, and has 
agreed to report it without amendment. 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Pilon, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Miss Jewett and Mr. Nielsen be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Dube and Fairweather on the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 109 — Mr. Nielsen 

With respect to the operations of the Department of Public Works in the 
Yukon Territory, in each case where the answer to part (iv) of question 1237 
(October 4, 1963) is given by sessional paper no. 270, December 9, 1963, as 
"yes (quotations)" (a) from whom were such quotations requested (b) what 
was the amount of each quotation (c) what procedure was adopted to obtain 
such quotations (d) why was it not practicable to advertise for public tenders? 

Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented,— 
Return to the foregoing Order. 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 20th MAY 339 

No. 836 — Mr. Marcoux 
What public funds have been saved on each issue of the English Debates 
since French texts were excluded therefrom? 

Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 

No. 929 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. What was the volume and the value of the main exports and imports 
with the countries of the Organization of American States during the past 
five years? 

2. Have any negotiations been started with these countries regarding 
imports and exports? 

3. Has the Department of Trade and Commerce appointed permanent 
representatives attached to the countries of the Common Market and, if so, 
what is the name of each representative and what are the duties of each? 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-91, An Act to amend 
the Income Tax Act; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Lamontagne, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the Bank Act and the Quebec Savings Banks Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Bank 
Act and the Quebec Savings Banks Act, to extend by one year the authority to 
carry on business for the banks to which these Acts apply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-98, An Act to amend the Bank Act and the Quebec Savings Banks Act, 
which was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next 
sitting of the House. 

The Order being read for the Second Reading of Bill S-17, An Act respect- 
ing the Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada; 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. Robichaud, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



340 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Honey, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. O'Keefe be substituted for that of Mr. Morison on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 17 under this heading having been called a second time was, by 
unanimous consent, allowed to stand and retain its position on the Order Paper. 



Mr. Lloyd, seconded by Mr. Klein, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should consider the advisability of amending the Income 
Tax Act to permit taxpayers to deduct from taxable income contributions to 
registered national political parties, providing such deductions do not exceed 
a stated maximum percentage of taxable income. — (Notice of Motion No. 19). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of Let- 
ters exchanged between the Prime Minister of Canada and the Premier of the 
Province of Quebec, dated May 14 and April 29, 1964, respectively, on the 
subject of Federal Provincial Relations. (English and French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — "Data from 
Radiation Protection Programs", Volume 2, No. 3, March, 1964. (English and 
French). 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at. 2. 30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 21st MAY 341 

No. 67 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 21st MAY, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

21st May, 1964. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 21st May, at 5.45 p.m., 
for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Aiken, moved, — That the Fifth Report of 
the Special Committee on Procedure and Organization, presented to the House 
on Tuesday, May 19, 1964 be now concurred in. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said Report was concurred in, and is as follows: 
Your Committee recommends that the provisional Standing Orders and 
recommendations contained in your Committee's Second Report, concurred in 



342 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

by the House on April 20th, 1964, which are now in effect until the end of 
May, be continued in effect until the end of the present session, unless it is 
otherwise ordered by the House. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Klein be substituted for that of Miss Jewett on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-21, An Act to authorize the Construction and Maintenance of a 
Bridge across the St. Lawrence River between the City of Ste-Foy, in the 
County of Quebec, and the Municipality of St-Nicolas, in the County of Levis, 
both in the Province of Quebec. — Mr. Deschatelets. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $338,136,717.59, being the aggregate 
of— 

(a) One-twelfth of the total of the Items set forth in the Main Estimates 
for the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1965 laid before the House of Commons 
at the present session of Parliament, $329,299,209.25; 

(b) an additional four-twelfths of the amount of Forestry Item 25 of the 
said Main Estimates, $480,333.34; 

(c) an additional three-twelfths of the amount of Finance Item 15 of the 
said Main Estimates, $1,500,000.00; 

(d) an additional two-twelfths of the amount of External Affairs Item 
15 of the said Main Estimates, $1,597,000.00; 

(e) an additional one-twelfth of the amount of Finance Item 10, Forestry 
Items 10, 20 and 30, Justice Item 1, Mines and Technical Surveys Item 70, 
National Research Council Item 5, and Privy Council Item 15, $5,260,175.00, 
be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1965. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 21st MAY 343 

March 31st, 1965, the sum of $338,136,717.59 be granted out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the Resolution concurred in this day 
in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 

Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Gordon, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-99, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the 
public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965, which was read 
the first time. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time 
and passed. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-98, An Act to 
amend the Bank Act and the Quebec Savings Banks Act; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. j Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-5, An Act respecting The General Council of the Canadian Branch 
of the St. John Ambulance Association, was considered in Committee of the 
Whole, reported without amendment, read the third time and passed. 

(Public Bills) 

By unanimous consent, the Order being read for the second reading of 
Bill C-60, An Act to amend the Combines Investigation Act (Captive Sales 
Financing) ; 

Mr. Doucett for Mr. Noble, seconded by Mr. Howe (Wellington-Huron), 
moved, — That the said bill be now read a second time. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Teillet, moved, — That the said bill be 
not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to 
the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit for further study. 

And the question being put on the latter motion, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was not read a second time but the subject- 
matter thereof was referred to the Joint Committee on Consumer Credit, and 
a Message was sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof. 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



344 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-29, An Act to 
amend the Transport Act and the Railway Act (B.C. Water Carriers); 

Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Mather, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House is 
desired: 

Bill S-18, An Act respecting The Montreal Board of Trade. — Mr. Mackasey. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills without amendment: 
Bill C-92, An Act to amend the Customs Tariff. 
Bill C-94, An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act. 

A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Cham- 
ber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable 
the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 
His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bills: 

An Act respecting the International Bridge over the St. Clair River known 
as the Blue Water Bridge. 

An Act to amend the Customs Tariff. 

An Act to amend the Estate Tax Act. 

An Act respecting The General Council of the Canadian Branch of the 
St. John Ambulance Association. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Lachance, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Chapdelaine be substituted for that of Mr. Olson on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Mcllraith, — That Bill C-98, An Act to amend the Bank Act and the Quebec 
Savings Banks Act, be now read a second time. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 21st MAY 345 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Robichaud, — That Bill S-17, An Act respecting the 
Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), 
moved, — That the said bill be not now read a second time but that the subject- 
matter thereof be referred to the Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries 
for consideration and report. 

And debate arising thereon and continuing; the said debate was inter- 
rupted. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Counci!, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of 
Wednesday, May 13, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

Sixth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, presented on May 20th, meet the requirements of Standing Order 70: 

The National Conference of Canadian Universities and Colleges and the 
Canadian Universities Foundation, for an Act to incorporate members of the 
National Conference of Canadian Universities and Colleges under the name of 
Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada and/or "Association des 
Universites et des Colleges du Canada", and for other purposes. — Miss Jewett. 

Helen Rynn, Bridie Woods, Geraldine Violette and many others all of the 
City of Edmundston, in the Province of New Brunswick, for an Act to incor- 
porate the Congregation of the Marist Sisters and/or "La Congregation des 
Soeurs Maristes", and for other purposes. — Mr. Dube. 



346 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The Montreal Board of Trade, for an Act to amend its Act of incorporation 
giving the Company the power to acquire and hold real and personal estate 
exceeding together in clear value the sum of one million dollars. — Mr. Macka- 
sey. 

Seventh Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petitions of the 
following, filed after April 1, 1964, and presented on May 20th, meet the re- 
quirements of Standing Order 70. However, these petitions were not filed within 
the time limit specified by Standing Order 93: 

The Bell Telephone Company of Canada and/or "La Compagnie de Tele- 
phone Bell du Canada", for an Act to amend its Act of incorporation to provide 
for an increase in the maximum number of its directors from fifteen to twenty. 
— Mr. Brown. 

The Casualty Company of Canada, for an Act to amend its Act of incorpora- 
tion authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, either 
the name The Casualty Company of Canada and/or "La Casualty, Compagnie 
d'Assurance du Canada". — Mr. Lachance. 

The Dominion of Canada General Insurance Company, for an Act to amend 
its Act of incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of 
its business, either the name The Dominion of Canada General Insurance Com- 
pany and/or "Dominion of Canada, Compagnie d'Assurance Generale". — 
Mr. Lachance. 

Stan Reesor Kaufman, Eric Sherwood, Isaac Sheldon, and many others all 
of the city of Edmonton, in the Province of Alberta, for an Act to incorporate 
Meota Pipe Lines Ltd., and for other purposes. — Mr. Nugent. 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fourth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

A. Clifford Abbott, Maurice J. Arpin, Richard C. Baxter, all of the City 
of Winnipeg, Manitoba, and many others from different Provinces of Canada, 
for an Act to incorporate Bank of Western Canada and under the French name 
of "Banque de l'Ouest canadien", with pertaining purposes. 

Helen Rynn, Bridie Woods, Geraldine Violette and many others, all of the 
City of Edmundston, in the Province of New Brunswick, for an Act to incor- 
porate the Congregation of the Marist Sisters and/or "La Congregation des 
Soeurs Maristes", and for other purposes. 

The Montreal Board of Trade, for an Act to amend its Act of incorporation 
giving the Company the power to acquire and hold real and personal estate 
exceeding together in clear value the sum of one million dollars. 

The National Conference of Canadian Universities and Colleges and the 
Canadian Universities Foundation, for an Act to incorporate members of the 
National Conference of Canadian Universities and Colleges under the name of 
Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada and/or "Association des 
Universites et des Colleges du Canada", and for other purposes. 

Isosaburo Ueda, Mataju Saito, Kenjiro Kambara, and many others, all of 
the City of Toronto, Ontario, for an Act to incorporate Seicho-No-Ie, and for 
other purposes. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 21st MAY 347 

At 10.17 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

One petition for a Private Bill was presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 



On motion of Mr. Favreau for Mr. Lamontagne, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Naught, it was ordered, — That the Reports of the Canada Council for the fiscal 
years ended March 31, 1962 and March 31, 1963, tabled on October 10, 1962 and 
on July 11, 1963 respectively, be referred to the Standing Committee on Public 
Accounts in order to provide for a review thereof pursuant to section 23 of the 
Canada Council Act. 



On motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Favreau, it was ordered, — 
That the Public Accounts, Volumes I, II and III for the fiscal years ended 
March 31, 1962 and March 31, 1963, and the Reports of the Auditor General 
thereon, tabled on January 21, 1963 and on February 19, 1964 respectively, 
together with the financial statements of the Canada Council for the fiscal years 
ended March 31, 1962 and March 31, 1963 and the Reports of the Auditor Gen- 
eral thereon, tabled on October 10, 1962 and on July 11, 1963 respectively, 
be referred to the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 

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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 8 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-35, An Act to amend 
the Criminal Code (Habeas Corpus) ; 

Mr. Matheson, seconded by Mr. Bechard, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Supple- 
mentary Return to an Address, dated October 23, 1963, to His Excellency the 
Governor General for a copy of all communications received by the Prime 
Minister, or by any other Member of the Cabinet, dated since April 22nd, 1963, 
from life insurance companies, private pension firms or consultants, private 
actuarial consultants, investment houses and Chambers of Commerce, concern- 
ing the proposed Canada Pension Plan, and a copy of all replies thereto. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 105). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 4, 
1964, for a copy of all letters, memoranda, briefs or other documents exchanged 
since April 22, 1963, between any of the staff associations of the Public Service 
of Canada and the Prime Minister, the Minister of Finance, the Secretary of 
State or any official of these Departments or the Civil Service Commission on 
the subject of collective bargaining for public servants. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 23). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated March 11, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all telegrams, correspondence, 
reports, briefs and memoranda, and any replies thereto between the federal 
government and any of its departments and the Province of Alberta concern- 
ing A.R.D.A. since December 20, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 55). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence between the Minister of Labour or any 
official of his Department, and the Government of Quebec, concerning the 
extension of the winter works period. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 109). 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 22nd MAY 351 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated May 13, 1964, 
for a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams received by the Minister of 
National Revenue or his employees concerning charitable donation receipts 
disallowed during 1963 in the Province of Quebec. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 119). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated April 15, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all replies by the Premiers 
of the provinces to the letter of the Prime Minister directed to the Premiers 
respecting the participation by the governments of the Yukon and Northwest 
Territories in future Federal-Provincial Conferences. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 100). 



By unanimous consent, at 5.53 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the 
House without question put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to 
Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker presented a Report from the Joint Committee of both House? 
on the Library of Parliament, which is as follows; 

Your Committee met on May 14, 1964 and begs to submit the following 
recommendations : — 

1. In order to bring the salary rates of professional classes in the Library 
of Parliament in line with the recently revised salaries paid for comparable 
positions in the public service (T.B. 622520 dated 20 March 1964) we recom- 
mend the following salary revisions to be effective 1 July 1963: 

Cataloguing Librarian 1 
Reference Librarian 1 

From: 4560 4740 4920 5160 

To: 4800 4980 5160 5340 5520 

Cataloguing Librarian 2 
Reference Librarian 2 

From: 5160 5400 5640 5940 

To: 5400 5640 5880 6180 

Cataloguing Librarian 3 
Reference Librarian 3 
Vertical File Specialist 

From: 5640 5940 6240 6540 

To: 5880 6180 6480 6780 

Reference Librarian 4 

From: 6240 6540 6840 7140 
To: 6600 6900 7200 7500 



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Chief Cataloguing Librarian 
Reference Librarian 5 



From: 7140 7500 


7860 


8220 


To: 7620 7980 


8340 


8700 


Chief Reference Librarian 






Senior Library Consultant 






From: 8220 8580 


8940 


9300 


To: 8640 9000 


9380 


9780 



Assistant Librarian, Library of Parliament 

From: 8760 9120 9480 9880 10300 

To: 9380 9780 10200 10600 11000 11400 

2. In accordance with the establishment proposals approved in the Main 
Estimates 1964-65, we would recommend that salary revisions and promotions 
be approved as follows: 

(a) that the salary range of Chief Cataloguing Librarian be revised 

From: 7620 7980 8340 8700 

To: 8640 9000 9380 9780 
and that Miss Florence Moore, Chief Cataloguing Librarian, be paid 
at the rate of $9000 in the new range effective 1 April 1964; 

(b) that Mme Monique Gould, Librarian 4, present salary range ($6600- 
7500) be promoted to Assistant Chief Cataloguing Librarian (new 
classification) and be paid at the rate of $7620 in the new salary 
range 

7620 7980 8340 8700 effective 1 July 1964; 

(c) that Miss Irene Coughlan, Cataloguing Librarian 2, present salary 
range (5400-6190) be promoted to Cataloguing Librarian 3 and be 
paid at the rate of $6180 in the new range (5580-6780) effective 1 
July 1964; 

(d) that Mme Therese Foster, Reference Librarian 3, present salary 
range (5880-6780) be promoted to Reference Librarian 4 and be paid 
at the rate of $6900 in the new salary range (6600-7500) effective 
1 April 1964; 

(e) that Mrs. Hazel Manderson, Library Assistant 3, Position No. LP-A- 
35, present salary range (3930-4380) be promoted to Library Assist- 
ant 4 (new classification) and be paid at the rate of $4440 in the 
new salary range 

4260 4440 4620 4800 effective 1 April 1964; 

(/) that Mme Claire Quirouette, Library Assistant 3, Position No. LP- 
A-34, present salary range (3930-4380) be promoted to Library 
Assistant 4 (new classification) and be paid at the rate of $4440 in 
the new salary range 

4260 4440 4620 4800 effective 1 April 1964; 

(g) that Alexis Vanasse, Library Helper 1, present salary range (2930- 
3300) be promoted to Library Helper 2 and be paid at the rate 
of $3520 in the new range (3520-3980) effective 1 April 1964. 

3. It is further recommended: 

(a) that the position LP-A-8X, Library Clerk 1, salary range (3390- 
3840) be reclassified as Library Clerk 2, salary range (4050-4500) 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 25th MAY 355 

and that Rene Bergeron, Library Clerk 1, be promoted to Library 
Clerk 2, to be paid at the rate of $4050 effective 1 July 1964; 

(b) that the position LP-A-13Y, Cleaning Service Woman, be reclassified 
as Library Helper 1, effective 1 May 1964. 



Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a "Combined Statement" on the subject of Broadcasting to- 
gether with individual memoranda prepared by Mr. Andrew Stewart, Chairman 
of the Board of Broadcast Governors, Mr. Alphonse Ouimet, Chairman of the 
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and Mr. Don Jamieson, President nf ±^« 
Canadian Association of Broadcasters. (English and French). 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Miss Jewett be substituted for that of Mr. Klein on the Standing 
Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 562— Mr. Mather 

1. To what is attributable the major increase in commercial failures re- 
corded in 1963 under the Bankruptcy and Winding-Up Acts? 

2. What was the estimated total liabilities of such business failures in 
1963 and 1962? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 818 — Mr. Flemming (Victoria-Carleton) 
What government grants, awards and amounts were given to research 
scientists, together with amounts, projects and other information, during the 
fiscal year ending March 31, 1964? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 912 — Mr. Danforth 
What is the total amount of federal money paid out to the fishing industry 
in the Province of (a) New Brunswick (b) Prince Edward Island (c) Nova 
Scotia (d) Newfoundland (e) British Columbia, for the years 1961, 1962, 1963, 
in the form of (i) grants, subsidies, loans for fishing boats, gear, nets, etc. (ii) 
grants, subsidies, loans for fish processing plants, facilities for bait, cold storage, 
etc.? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



The Order for the House to resolve itself into Committee of Supply being 
read for the fourth time pursuant to Standing Order 56(2) and Order made 
Thursday, May 14, 1964; 



356 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now 
leave the Chair. 

And the question being proposed; 

Mr. Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Paul, moved in amendment thereto, — That 
all the words after "That" be deleted and the following substituted therefor: 

"this House regrets the continuing failure of the government to take ef- 
fective action with regard to the pressing agricultural problems of Eastern 
Canada." 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated May 6, 1964, for a copy of all files, documents, 
memoranda, letters and other documents dealing with the investigation carried 
out under the Inquiries Act regarding Miss Hattie English, Postmistress at 
Riviere au Renard, P.Q. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 
117). 

Eighth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7) : 
The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, presented on May 22nd, meets the requirements of Standing Order 70: 
Peter Paul Saunders, Andrew Elliott Saxton, William Crossley Mainwaring, 
all of the City of Vancouver, in the Province of British Columbia, and many 
others of different Canadian Provinces, for an Act to incorporate Laurentide 
Bank of Canada and/or "Banque Laurentide du Canada", and for other pur- 
poses. — Mr. Basford. 



At 10.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Leboe, Dube and Fairweather be substituted for 
those of Messrs. Chapdelaine, Prud'homme and Rheaume on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Privileges and Elections. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Supply; and on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Paul, in amendment thereto. 

And debate continuing; 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Pilon, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Chapdelaine be substituted for that of Mr. Marcoux on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Mcllraith, — That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to 
resolve itself into Committee of Supply; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Hamilton, seconded by Mr. Paul, in 
amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" be deleted and the 
following substituted therefor; 

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"this House regrets the continuing failure of the government to take 
effective action with regard to the pressing agricultural problems of Eastern 
Canada". 

And debate continuing; at 8.15 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker interrupted the 
proceedings pursuant to Standing Order 56(4) (d); 

And the question being put on the said proposed amendment, it was nega- 
tived on the following division: 

Yeas 
Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Fleming (Okanagan 


- Langlois, 


Nugent, 


Alkenbrack, 


Revelstoke), 


Laprise, 


Orlikow, 


Balcer, 


Flemming (Victoria 


- Latulippe, 


Ormiston, 


Baldwin, 


Carleton) , 


Loney, 


Pascoe, 


Barnett, 


Forbes, 


MacEwan, 


Paul, 


Beaule, 


Gauthier, 


Maclnnis, 


Peters, 


Belanger, 


Girouard, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Pigeon, 


Bell, 


Grafftey, 


Macquarrie, 


Plourde, 


Bigg, 


Gregoire, 


MacRae, 


Pugh, 


Boutin, 


Gundlock, 


McBain, 


Rapp, 


Brewin, 


Hales, 


McCutcheon, 


Ricard, 


Cadieu, 


Hamilton, 


Mcintosh, 


Rondeau, 


Cardiff, 


Harkness, 


Madill, 


Rynard, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Herridge, 


Mandziuk, 


Simpson, 


Chatterton, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Martin (Timmins), 


Skoreyko, 


Churchill, 


Horner (Jasper- 


Martineau, 


Smallwood, 


Clancy, 


Edson), 


Mather, 


Southam, 


Coates, 


Horner 


Millar, 


Starr, 


Cooper, 


(The Battlefords), 


Monteith, 


Stefanson, 


Crouse, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Moore, 


Stenson, 


Danforth, 


South), 


More, 


Thomas, 


Diefenbaker, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Valade, 


Dinsdale, 


Huron) , 


North and 


Vincent, 


Dionne, 


Irvine, 


Victoria) , 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Doucett, 


Jorgenson, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Webb, 


Douglas, 


Kennedy, 


Nasserden, 


Webster, 


Enns, 


Kindt, 


Nesbitt, 


Weichel, 


Fairweather, 


Knowles, 


Nielsen, 


Willoughby, 


Fane, 


Lamb, 


Noble, 


Winkler, 


Fisher, 


Lambert, 


Nowlan, 


Woolliams — 112. 




Nays 






Messrs: 




Addison, 


Berger, 


Choquette, 


Emard, 


Armstrong, 


Blouin, 


Chretien, 


Ethier, 


Asselin, 


Boulanger, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Eudes, 


(Notre-Dame- 


Brown, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Favreau, 


de-Grace), 


Byrne, 


Cowan, 


Forest, 


Asselin, 


Cadieux, 


Crossman, 


Forgie, 


(Richmond-Wolfe) , Cameron 


Cyr, 


Foy, 


Badanai, 


(High Park), 


Davis, 


Francis, 


Basford, 


Cantin, 


Deachman, 


Frenette, 


Batten, 


Car din, 


Deschatelets, 


Gelber, 


Bechard, 


Caron, 


Drouin, 


Gendron, 


Beer, 


Carter, 


Drury, 


Godin, 


Benidickson, 


Cashin, 


Dube, 


Granger, 


Benson, 


Chapdelaine, 


Dupuis, 





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Gray, 




Leboe, 


Moreau, 


Rock, 


Greene, 




Lessard 


Morison, 


Rouleau, 


Groos, 




(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Mullally, 


Roxburgh, 


Guay, 




Lessard 


Munro, 


Ryan, 


Habel, 




(Saint-Henri), 


Nicholson, 


Sharp, 


Hahn, 




Lloyd, 


Nixon, 


Stewart, 


Haidasz, 




Loiselle, 


O'Keefe, 


Tardif, 


Harley, 




Macaluso, 


Olson, 


Teillet, 


Hays, 




Macdonald, 


Otto, 


Temple, 


Hellyer, 




MacEachen, 


Patterson, 


Thompson, 


Honey, 




Mackasey, 


Pennell, 


Tremblay, 


Howard, 




MacNaught, 


Pepin, 


Tucker, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Mcllraith, 


Pickersgill, 


Turner, 


Kelly, 




McLean (Charlotte) 


, Pilon, 


Wahn, 


Klein, 




McMillan, 


Prud'homme, 


Walker, 


Konantz 


(Mrs.), 


McNulty, 


Regan, 


Watson 


Lachance 


? 


McWilliam, 


Richard, 


(Chateauguay- 


LaMarsh 


(Miss), 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Rideout, 


Huntingdon- 


Lamoureux, 


Matheson, 


Rinfret, 


Laprairie) , 


Laniel, 




Matte, 


Robichaud, 


Whelan, 


Leblanc, 




Mitchell, 


Rochon, 


Winch— 130. 



After further debate the question being put on the main motion, — That 
Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to resolve itself into 
Committee of Supply; it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, at 9.32 o'clock p.m. the House resolved itself into Committee 
of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The estimates of six departments were first taken up and entered for 
consideration, pursuant to Order made Thursday, May 14, 1964, as follows: 

FISHERIES 

1 Departmental Administration, including grants and con- 
tributions as detailed in the Estimates $ 1,159,000 00 

FORESTRY 

1 Departmental Administration, including grants as detailed 

in the Estimates $ 1,381,000 00 



MINES AND TECHNICAL SURVEYS 

1 Departmental Administration including the administration 
of the Explosives Act and Canada's fee for member- 
ship in the Pan-American Institute of Geography and 
History $ 



2,191,000 00 



NATIONAL DEFENCE 

1 Departmental Administration, including grants to Military 
Associations, Institutes and other organizations as 
detailed in the Estimates and authority, notwith- 
standing section 30 of the Financial Administration 
Act, and subject to allotment by the Treasury Board, 
for total commitments of $2,289,221,625 for the pur- 
poses of Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 42, 45 

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and 50 of this Department regardless of the year in 
which such commitments will come in course of pay- 
ment (of which it is estimated that $799,648,500 will 
come due for payment in future years) and authority 
to make recoverable advances under any of the said 
votes and, notwithstanding the Financial Administra- 
tion Act, to spend revenue received during the year 
in respect of assistance rendered to the United Nations, 
any party of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization 
or any provincial or municipal government $ 3,917,825 00 

NATIONAL HEALTH AND WELFARE 
1 Departmental Administration $ 2,099,000 00 

SECRETARY OF STATE 

1 Departmental Administration $ 363,600 00 

To be reported. 



Report received and the Committee of Supply obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Robichaud, — That Bill S-17, An Act respecting the 
Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada, be now read a second time. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Cameron 
(Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), — That the said bill be not now read a 
second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Marine and Fisheries for consideration and report. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return 
to an Order of the House, dated April 15, 1964, for a copy of all observations 
and reports concerning space or the location thereof for the R.C.M. Police as 
referred to in the answer given to Question No. 300 of the present session of 
Parliament. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 86). 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 26th MAY 361 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, for a copy of all briefs, plans, submissions or treatises prepared by staff 
members at the British Columbia Penitentiary since January 1, 1960, regarding 
drug addiction and treatment thereof and any other penological concepts. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 92). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated May 6, 1964, 
for a copy of the 1958 report of the study which was conducted by P.F.R.A. 
on the Red Deer Diversion Scheme. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 115). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, (^Question No. 329) showing: 1. How many letters and petitions has the 
government received since April 8, 1963 in favour of a truly distinctive flag 
for Canada? 

2. How many signatures did these letters and petitions bear? 



At 10.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

The Members of the House, standing in their places, observed one minute 
of silent tribute in memory of the late Prime Minister of India, Pandit 
Jawaharlal Nehru. 



Mr. Speaker presented the Eighth Report of the Special Committee 
on Procedure and Organization, which is as follows: 

1. Your Committee, through its Sub-Committee on Organization, has 
been considering the form and adequacy of various parliamentary papers. It 
is our view that Votes and Proceedings in its present form adequately serves 
its primary purpose for the use of Members and officers of the House and, 
therefore, no conclusions have been formulated. Some conclusions, however, 
have been reached with respect to Hansard and to the Order Paper (Routine 
Proceedings and Orders of the Day) and are the subject of this report. 

2. With respect to Hansard, experiments are already under way with 
regard to uniform pagination in both language editions for Wednesdays and 
Fridays. Your Committee urges that every effort be made as soon as possible 
to extend this experimentation to other sitting days. 

3. With respect to the Order Paper, under the present system the English 
and French editions of Routine Proceedings and Orders of the Day omit those 
segments listing business not slated for consideration on the day to which 
they apply, and arrange the remaining segments according to the "Order of 
Business" specified in Standing Order 15. 

4. The omission of the non-applicable segments on certain days was 
adopted in the interests of economy at the time when divorce bills appeared 



364 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

in the hundreds under the heading of Private Bills. However, divorce bills 
are no longer carried on the Order Paper and your Committee feels that the 
form of the Order Paper could be more convenient and efficient at little or 
no added cost. Table officers and House officials have been consulted and 
have agreed both as to the feasibility and the utility of the suggested changes. 

5. We recommend that the listing arrangements of the various segments 
on the Order Paper remain constant despite the "Order of Business" pertain- 
ing to the day's sitting. This will save time and labour, not only in the 
Printing Bureau but also in the House of Commons offices concerned, and 
will add to the convenience of Members. Wherever there is to be any such 
business under the respective headings, the unvarying sequence of segments 
would be established along the following lines: 

1. Government Orders 

2. Public Bills 

3. Private Bills 

4. Private Members' Notices of Motions 

5. Notices of Motions for Production of Papers 

6. Notices of Motions (Papers) 

7. Questions. 

6. We also recommend, in view of Standing Order 18(2), that Government 
Orders should retain their original Order numbers until disposed of to permit 
experimentation, and that Standing Order 20(1) be temporarily suspended. 

7. Further, the "Order of Business" usually given at the top of page 3 
of the Order Paper would be set out for the specific day, with the applicable 
page numbers as at present. In addition, there would be set out on the same 
page the "Order of Business" headings scheduled for each day in advance 
for a full week. This would avoid having to refer to Standing Orders to 
determine what is the "Order of Business" two or three days hence. Thus, 
for example, on Wednesday's Order Paper the "Order of Business" would 
appear as for a Wednesday sitting, but below would be shown the "Order 
of Business" for each subsequent day up to the following Tuesday, inclusive. 
This order would, of course, rotate from day to day, as the case may be. 

8. Your Committee recommends that the foregoing changes in the format 
of the Order Paper (Routine Proceedings and Orders of the Day) be intro- 
duced on an experimental basis until the end of the present session. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Drouin, Prud'homme and Rheaume be substituted 
for those of Messrs. Mullally, Lessard (Saint-Henri) and Fairweather on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Basford be substituted for that of Mr. Macdonald on 
the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following four Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 27th MAY 365 

No. 945 — Mr. McCutcheon 
What was the previous employment, experience and qualifications, as well 
as location, of those employees of the Montreal World's Fair in receipt of 
salaries in excess of $10,000 from that body? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 952 — Mr. Cote (Chicoutimi) 

1. What is the present balance in the Canadian Government Annuity Fund 
and what is the present number of annuitants? 

2. What is the balance in the Civil Service Superannuation Fund, and 
how many persons receive benefits? 

3. Where are these funds deposited? 

4. Are these funds used for investment and, if so, in what securities are 
they invested? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 985— Mr. Southam 

1. Since the present government took office in April, 1963, how many 
applications has the Board of Transport Commissioners received for rail-line 
abandonment from the Canadian Pacific Railway in the Province of Sas- 
katchewan, the Province of Manitoba and the Province of Alberta? 

2. What are the sub-division designations of such applications in each case, 
and the various mileages involved? 

3. What is the Railway ten year gross revenue in each case, and the 
Railway gross operating loss, if any, in each case? 

4. How many grain elevators, and their total capacity in the case of each 
sub-division, are involved? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,048— Mr. Fisher 

1. What is the name and address of each person appointed since January 
1, 1963, to the position of Airport Manager 1 level and higher at each respective 
site in Canada? 

2. Where was each such appointee located prior to the appointment referred 
to in Part 1 and what was or will be the cost of transporting him, his depend- 
ents and belongings to the new location? 

3. Has any D.O.T. employee at the respective sites referred to in Part 1 
filled the position in a permanent or acting capacity during the last five years? 
If so, what are the names of each such person, the time the position was so filled 
and to what degree of satisfaction, and are any of the said persons still at the 
sites? 

4. Was any consideration given to filling the positions from among D.O.T. 
personnel in the regions concerned and, if so, were any such persons found to 
be qualified for the positions? What were the reasons for not making the 
appointments from such persons? 

5. At what levels are appointments normally open to residents from (a) 
local areas (b) regional areas, and (c) all across Canada? 

6. If area boundaries are established for applicants for positions and such 
boundaries are governed by the level of the positions, are such rules always 



366 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

adhered to? If not, in what instances since January 1, 1963, have the said rules 
not been adhered to, and what were the reasons for not following the said rules 
in each instance? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 121 was allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 



Mr. Smallwood, seconded by Mr. Stefanson, moved, — That an Order of 
the House do issue for the production of all flag designs or models which 
have been received by the Prime Minister, Members of the Cabinet or the 
Government, as models for a Canadian flag. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 122). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Battle River-Camrose (Mr. Smallwood) stated 
that he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
of "Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47 as pro- 
visionally amended on April 20, 1964. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East) seconded by Mr. Robichaud, — That Bill S-17, An Act respecting the 
Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada, be now read a second time. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Cameron 
(Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), — That the said bill be not now read a 
second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Marine and Fisheries for consideration and report. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 
By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Pilon, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Kelly and Brown be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Pennell and Matheson on the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Coloniza- 
tion. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Item No. 17, having been called and not proceeded with, was dropped 
from the Order Paper pursuant to Standing Order 48(1). 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 27th MAY 367 

Mr. Rapp, seconded by Mr. More, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give consideration to amending the Agricul- 
tural Stabilization Act to: 

(1) provide deficiency payments for eggs, hogs, etc., on a cumulated re- 
gional price basis rather than on a national weighted average price; 

(2) have these deficiency payments made semi-annually instead of an- 
nually as at the present time. — (Notice of Motion No. 20). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill: 

Bill C-99, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money 
for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 28th MAY, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

28th May, 1964. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Robert Taschereau, 
P.C., Chief Justice of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 28th May, at 5.45 p.m., 
for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to a certain bill. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



Mr. Matheson, from the Standing Committee on External Affairs, presented 
the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

1. Pursuant to its Order of Reference of March 9, 1964, your Committee 
had before it for consideration the Treaty between Canada and the United 
States of America relating to cooperative development of the water resources 



370 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17th, 1961, 
together with the Protocol containing modifications and clarifications to the 
Treaty annexed to an Exchange of Notes between the Governments of Canada 
and the United States signed on January 22nd, 1964. 

2. On March 11th, 1964, the House of Commons designated thirty-five 
members of the Committee: 

Mrs. Casselman and Messrs. Brewin, Byrne, Cadieux (Terrebonne), Cam- 
eron (Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), Cashin, Chatterton, Coates, Davis, 
Deachman, Dinsdale, Fairweather, Fleming (Okanagan-Revelstoke) , Forest, 
Gelber, Groos, Haidasz, Herridge, Kindt, Laprise, Leboe, Macdonald, MacEwan, 
Macquarrie, Martineau, Matheson, Monteith, Nesbitt, Patterson, Pennell, 
Plourde, Regan, Ryan, Stewart, Turner. 

During the course of its sittings, the following were also appointed from 
time to time to the Committee: 

Mrs. Konantz and Messrs. Pugh, Willoughby, Scott, Klein, Langlois, Nielsen, 
Basford. 

Of the latter, all except Mr. Scott are at present serving on the Committee. 

To prepare its sittings, the Committee appointed a Subcommittee on Agenda 
and Procedure comprised of Messrs. Matheson, Nesbitt, Fleming (Okanagan- 
Revelstoke), Herridge, Patterson, Turner and Plourde (later Langlois). 

3. Your Committee held fifty meetings to receive information and hear tes- 
timony from April 7, 1964 until May 21, 1964. 

4. Your Committee heard the following witnesses: 

From the Government of Canada: 

The Hon. Paul Martin, Secretary of State for External Affairs; G. M. 
MacNabb, Water Resources Branch, Department of Northern Affairs and 
National Resources; E. R. Olson, Department of Justice; Dr. M. E. Andal, Associ- 
ate Director of Economics, Department of Agriculture; Dr. A. Leahey, Coordina- 
tor of Soil Surveys, Department of Agriculture; J. F. Parkinson, Department 
of Finance. 

From the Government of British Columbia: 

The Hon. R. G. Williston, Minister of Lands, Forests and Water Resources; 
The Hon. R. W. Bonner, Q.C., Attorney- General; A. F. Paget, Deputy Minister 
of Water Resources; Gordon Kidd, Deputy Comptroller of Water Rights. 

From the Government of Saskatchewan: 

David Cass-Beggs, General Manager, Saskatchewan Power Corporation; 
J. W. MacNeill, Executive Director, South Saskatchewan River Development 
Commission; Barry Strayer, Associate Professor, College of Law, University of 
Saskatchewan. 

From the British Columbia Hydro and Power Authority: 

Dr. H. L. Keenleyside, Chairman; W. D. Kennedy, Division Manager, Eco- 
nomic and Commercial Services; J. W. Milligan, Reservoirs Engineer. 

Special Witnesses: 

General the Hon. A. G. L. McNaughton, C.H., C.B., C.M.G., D.S.O.; former 
Chairman, Canadian Section, International Joint Commission. The Hon. E. D. 
Fulton, P.C., Q.C.; former Minister of Justice and Chief Negotiator, Columbia 
River Treaty. 

The following engineering firms or consultants: 

J. K. Sexton, Director of Civil Engineering, Montreal Engineering Company 
Limited; C. N. Simpson, President and H. J. Saaltink, Executive Engineer, H. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 28th MAY 371 

G. Acres and Company Limited; J. W. Libby, Vice-President and Assistant 
Chief Engineer, G. E. Crippen and Associates Limited, also representing Caseco 
Consultants Limited; Dr. R. L. Hearn, President, C.B.A. Engineering Company 
Limited; Dr. H. Q. Golder, Consulting Engineer; Dr. Arthur Casagrande, Pro- 
fessor of Soil Mechanics and Foundation Engineering, Harvard University. 

And also the following: 

Richard Deane, P.Eng.; Larratt Higgins, economist; F. J. Batholomew, 
P.Eng.; E. P. O'Neal, Secretary Treasurer, British Columbia Federation of 
Labour; Leslie Morris, Secretary and National Leader, Communist Party of 
Canada; John Hay ward, representing the Columbia River for Canada Com- 
mittee; T. E. Parkin, Public Relations Director and General Organizer, United 
Fishermen and Allied Workers Union; Bruce Yorke, Consultant, and William 
Kennedy, National Executive Board Member, International Union of Mine, Mill 
and Smelter Workers; C. S. Jackson, President, United Electrical, Radio and 
Machine Workers of America, District Five Council; and representing the Con- 
solidated Mining and Smelting Company of Canada Limited: C. H. B. Frere, 
General Solicitor; and R. G. Anderson, President, and W. W. Wadeson, Hydrolo- 
gist, West Kootenay Power and Light Company Limited. 

5. In addition to briefs from the above, briefs were also received from: 
J. D. McDonald, P.Eng.; East Kootenay Wildlife Association; the National Farm- 
ers Union; Columbia River for Canada Committee, Victoria Branch. 

6. Your Committee, in the course of its deliberations, considered the fol- 
lowing matters, inter alia: 

The Committee examined the Treaty and Protocol article by article 
and item by item. The Committee gave particular attention to the follow- 
ing subjects: 

(a) The proposed plan of development of storage and power sites in the 
Canadian portion of the Columbia River Basin compared with alter- 
native schemes of development; 

(b) Various features of the individual projects, such as the amount of 
dislocation involved, the welfare of, and compensation to the people 
of the affected localities, the safety of the structures, and the plans 
of the provincial authorities for the reservoir areas, including the 
clearing of the basins; 

(c) The method of creating, measuring and sharing the downstream 
power benefits and the manner in which Canada will receive or 
use its share; 

(d) The arrangements for determining when flood control is to be pro- 
vided and the manner in which Canada will be compensated; 

(e) the potential for generating electric power in Canada as a result of 
the Treaty and Protocol; 

(f) The value to Canada of the benefits produced in the Kootenays by 
the Libby storage; 

(g) The rights and possibilities of water diversions, including possible 
diversions to the Prairies if required for consumptive uses; 

(h) The respective constitutional rights of the Federal and Provincial 
Governments as to the development of the Columbia as an interna- 
tional river. 

7. Your Committee, at the conclusion of its hearings and after due delibera- 
tion, adopted the following resolution: 

Your Committee has considered and approved the above-mentioned Treaty 
and Protocol. 



372 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The Committee wishes to express its deep appreciation to its Clerk, Miss 
D. F. Ballantine, members of the Committees Branch, the other personnel of 
the House of Commons and all those persons who testified before the Committee 
or otherwise assisted the Committee in its work. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issues No. 1 to 29) is 
appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 1 to the Journals). 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Howard be substituted for that of Mr. Prittie on the Standing 
committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



The following Notices of Motions having been called were transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That the Government be authorized to take such steps as may be necessary 
to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying the emblem pro- 
claimed by His Majesty King George V on November 21, 1921 — three maple 
leafs conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and white then designated for 
Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white between vertical sections 
of blue on the edges of the flag and also to provide that the Royal Union Flag, 
generally known as the Union Jack, may continue to be flown as a symbol of 
Canadian membership in the Commonwealth of Nations and of our allegiance 
to the Crown. — The Prime Minister. 

That the Government be authorized to take such steps as may be necessary 
to provide that "O Canada" shall be the National Anthem of Canada and 
that "God Save the Queen" shall be recognized as the Royal Anthem in Canada. 
— The Prime Minister. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East) seconded by Mr. Robichaud — That Bill S-17, An Act respecting the 
Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada, be now read a second time. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Cameron 
(Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), — That the said bill be not now read a 
second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Marine and Fisheries for consideration and report. 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions (Papers) ) 

Mr. Smallwood, seconded by Mr. Stefanson, moved, — That an Order of 
the House do issue for the production of all flag designs or models which have 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 28th MAY 373 

been received by the Prime Minister, Members of the Cabinet or the Govern- 
ment, as models for a Canadian flag. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 122). 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted at 5.52 p.m. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Robert Taschereau, Chief 
Justice of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor 
General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 
And being returned; 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable the 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons, I present to Your Honour the following bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965'. 

"To which bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by command of the Deputy to His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency the 
Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and 
assents to this bill." 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex East) 
seconded by Mr. Robichaud, — That Bill S-17, An Act respecting the Territorial 
Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada, be now read a second time. 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Barnett, seconded by Mr. Cameron 
(Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands), — That the said bill be not now read a 
second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Marine and Fisheries for consideration and report. 

After further debate thereon, the question being put on the said proposed 
motion, it was negatived on the following division: 







Yeas 








Messrs: 




Barnett, 

Beaule, 

Belanger, 

Boutin, 

Brewin, 


Chatterton, 

Dionne, 

Douglas, 

Fisher, 

Herridge, 


Howard, 

Knowles, 

Laprise, 

Latulippe, 

Martin (Timmins), 


Mather, 

Orlikow, 

Peters, 

Prittie, 

Rondeau, 

Winch— 21, 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Nays 





Messrs: 




Addison, 


Drury, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


O'Keefe, 


Aiken, 


Dube, 


Lachance, 


Olson, 


Alkenbrack, 


Dupuis, 


Lamb, 


Ormiston, 


Armstrong, 


Emard, 


Laniel, 


Ouellet, 


Badanai, 


Ethier, 


Laverdiere, 


Pascoe, 


Baldwin, 


Eudes, 


Leboe, 


Paul, 


Basford, 


Fairweather, 


Lessard 


Pennell, 


Batten, 


Fane, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Pepin, 


Bechard, 


Favreau, 


Loiselle, 


Pigeon, 


Beer, 


Fleming (Okanagan- 


Loney, 


Pilon, 


Benidickson, 


Revelstoke), 


Macaluso, 


Pugh, 


Berger, 


Forbes, 


MacEachen, 


Rapp, 


Blouin, 


Francis, 


MacEwan, 


Regan, 


Boulanger, 


Frenette, 


Maclnnis, 


Ricard, 


Byrne, 


Gelber, 


MacNaught, 


Rinfret, 


Cadieu, 


Gendron, 


Macquarrie, 


Robichaud, 


Cadieux, 


Godin, 


MacRae, 


Rochon, 


Cameron (High 


Gordon, 


Mcllraith, 


Rock, 


Park), 


Gray, 


Mcintosh, 


Rouleau, 


Cantin, 


Greene, 


McLean (Charlotte) 


, Ryan, 


Cardiff, 


Groos, 


McMillan, 


Simpson, 


Caron, 


Gundlock, 


McNulty, 


Skoreyko, 


Carter, 


Habel, 


McWilliam, 


Smallwood, 


Cashin, 


Hahn, 


Madill, 


South am, 


Choquette, 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Essex East),Stefanson, 


Chretien, 


Hales, 


Matheson, 


Stenson, 


Churchill, 


Hamilton, 


Matte, 


Tardif, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Honey, 


Monteith, 


Temple, 


Cowan, 


Horner (Acadia), 


Moore, 


Thomas, 


Crossman, 


Horner (Jasper- 


More, 


Tremblay, 


Crouse, 


Edson) , 


Moreau, 


Tucker, 


Cyr, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Mullally, 


Vincent, 


Danforth, 


Huron), 


Munro, 


Wahn, 


Deachman, 


Irvine, 


Nasserden, 


Walker, 


Deschatelets, 


Jorgenson, 


Nesbitt, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Dinsdale, 


Kelly, 


Nicholson, 


Webb, 


Doucette, 


Kennedy, 


Nielsen, 


Weichel, 


Drouin, 


Klein, 


Nixon, 


Winkler, 
Woolliams — 148. 



After further debate, the question being put on the main motion, — That 
Bill S-17, An Act respecting the Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada, 
be now read a second time, it was agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions' 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Lessard (Saint-Henri), and Mullally be substituted for 
those of Messrs. Prud'homme and Crossman on the Standing Committee on 
Privileges and Elections. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 28th MAY 375 

The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a cer- 
tain proposed resolution to amend the National Housing Act, 1954 and, progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it 
again at the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



At 10.30 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 29th MAY, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Honey, from the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Colonization, 
presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto. 

2. That it be granted leave to sit while the House is sitting when neces- 
sary to suit the convenience of witnesses. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Honey, seconded by Mr. Rox- 
burgh, the said Report was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Groos be substituted for that of Mr. Cashin on the 
Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a 
certain proposed resolution to amend the Farm Credit Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Farm 
Credit Act to increase the authorized capital of the Farm Credit Corporation 
from sixteen million dollars to twenty-four million dollars and thereby to 



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increase the maximum borrowing capacity of the said Corporation from four 
hundred million dollars to six hundred million dollars; to increase the maximum 
loan limits under Part II of the said Act from twenty thousand dollars to forty 
thousand dollars; to increase the maximum loan limits under Part III of the said 
Act from twenty-seven thousand five hundred dollars to fifty- five thousand 
dollars; and to provide further for certain other changes in connection with the 
administration and operation of the said Act. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Hays, seconded by Mr. Sharp, by leave of the House, presented Bill 
C-100, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, which was read the first time 
and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a 
certain proposed resolution to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
Export Credits Insurance Act to increase from four hundred million dollars 
to six hundred million dollars the limit of the liability of the Export Credits 
Insurance Corporation under contracts of insurance entered into under section 
21 of the Act; to enable the aggregate liability of importers under all in- 
struments guaranteed by or payable to the said Corporation to be increased 
from three hundred million dollars to four hundred million dollars; to permit 
the said Corporation to enter into reciprocal arrangements with export credits 
insurers in other countries for the reinsurance of liabilities under contracts 
of insurance with exporters; and to provide further for certain consequential 
changes in connection with the administration of the Act. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Sharp, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-101, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day. 



Whereupon, the Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Martin (Essex East)), the 
Leader of the Opposition (Mr. Diefenbaker), and other Members of the House 
paid tribute to the memory of the late Sherwood H. Rideout, Member for 
the electoral district of Westmorland, New Brunswick. 



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The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted (less the amounts voted in Interim 
Supply) : 

MAIN ESTIMATES, 1964-65 

AGRICULTURE 

Administration 

1 Departmental Administration including the National Co- 
ordinating Committee on Agricultural Services, con- 
tributions to Commonwealth Agricultural Bureaux and 
a contribution to the Agricultural Economics Research 
Council in an amount equal to the contributions of the 
Provinces but not exceeding $50,000 $ 3,368,900 00 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-26, An Act respecting the Commission established to 
administer the Roosevelt Campobello International Park, to which the con- 
currence of this House is desired. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)1 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 5 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-32, An Act to restrain 
the use of Tobacco; 

Mr. Mather, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
operations of the Exchange Fund Account for the year ended December 31, 1963, 



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together with the Financial Statement for the year ended December 31, 1963, 
pursuant to section 26 of the Currency Mint and Exchange Fund Act, chapter 
315, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to an 
Order of the House, dated April 22, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, let- 
ters, telegrams or other documents exchanged between Maitre Luc-Gilbert Les- 
sard, of Black Lake, Megantic County, and the Minister of National Health and 
Welfare or the Deputy Ministers or any officials of that Department, since March 
1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 37). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 15, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and documents ex- 
changed between Mr. Albert Garant of Roberval, Roberval County, and the 
Minister of Public Works, the Deputy Minister, or other employees of that 
Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 93). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 15, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and documents, con- 
cerning the Chambord Post Office, exchanged between Mr. Ludger Bouchard 
of Chambord, Roberval County, and the Minister of Public Works, the Deputy 
Minister, or other employees of that Department, since March 1, 1963. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 96). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, for a list, by name or number, of all paroles revoked in the City of Mont- 
real during the year 1963, giving in each case the grounds for the revocation 
and the name of the Judge involved. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 113). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated November 20, 1963, to 
His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence since 
1955 between the Minister of Transport or any official of his Department, and on 
the one hand officials of the Canadian National Railway and the Canadian 
Pacific Railway; and, on the other hand, the Town of Lac Megantic, with regard 
to the removal of level crossings in that Town and the relocation of the rail- 
way tracks. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 166). 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put 
until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

One petition for a Private Bill was presented in accordance with Standing 
Order 70(1). 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, the Eighth Report of 
the Special Committee on Procedure and Organization, presented to the House 
on May 27, 1964, was concurred in and is as follows: 

1. Your Committee, through its Sub-Committee on Organization, has 
been considering the form and adequacy of various parliamentary papers. It 
is our view that Votes and Proceedings in its present form adequately serves 
its primary purpose for the use of Members and officers of the House and, 
therefore, no conclusions have been formulated. Some conclusions, however, 
have been reached with respect to Hansard and to the Order Paper (Routine 
Proceedings and Orders of the Day) and are the subject of this report. 

2. With respect to Hansard, experiments are already under way with 
regard to uniform pagination in both language editions for Wednesdays and 
Fridays. Your Committee urges that every effort be made as soon as possible 
to extend this experimentation to other sitting days. 

3. With respect to the Order Paper, under the present system the English 
and French editions of Routine Proceedings and Orders of the Day omit those 
segments listing business not slated for consideration on the day to which 
they apply, and arrange the remaining segments according to the "Order of 
Business" specified in Standing Order 15. 

4. The omission of the non-applicable segments on certain days was 
adopted in the interests of economy at the time when divorce bills appeared 

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in the hundreds under the heading of Private Bills. However, divorce bills are 
no longer carried on the Order Paper and your Committee feels that the 
form of the Order Paper could be more convenient and efficient at little or 
no added cost. Table officers and House officials have been consulted and 
have agreed both as to the feasibility and the utility of the suggested changes. 

5. We recommend that the listing arrangements of the various segments 
on the Order Paper remain constant despite the "Order of Business" pertain- 
ing to the day's sitting. This will save time and labour, not only in the 
Printing Bureau but also in the House of Commons offices concerned, and 
will add to the convenience of Members. Whenever there is to be any such 
business under the respective headings, the unvarying sequence of segments 
would be established along the following lines: 

1. Government Orders 

2. Public Bills 

3. Private Bills 

4. Private Members' Notices of Motions 

5. Notices of Motions for Production of Papers 

6. Notices of Motions (Papers) 

7. Questions. 

6. We also recommend, in view of Standing Order 18(2), that Government 
Orders should retain their original Order numbers until disposed of to permit 
experimentation, and that Standing Order 20(1) be temporarily suspended. 

7. Further, the "Order of Business" usually given at the top of page 3 
of the Order Paper would be set out for the specific day, with the applicable 
page numbers as at present. In addition, there would be set out on the same 
page the "Order of Business" headings scheduled for each day in advance 
for a full week. This would avoid having to refer to Standing Orders to 
determine what is the "Order of Business" two or three days hence. Thus, 
for example, on Wednesday's Order Paper the "Order of Business" would 
appear as for a Wednesday sitting, but below would be shown the "Order of 
Business" for each subsequent day up to the following Tuesday, inclusive. 
This order would, of course, rotate from day to day, as the case may be. 

8. Your Committee recommends that the foregoing changes in the format 
of the Order Paper (Routine Proceedings and Orders of the Da}0 be intro- 
duced on an experimental basis until the end of the present session. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-26, An Act respecting the Commission established to administer 
the Roosevelt Campobello International Park. — Mr. Pearson. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the National Housing Act, 1954. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Mr. Speaker took the Chair- 



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[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)} 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. McBain, seconded by Mr. Bigg, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give immediate consideration to introducing 
legislation that would acknowledge the Canadian Red Ensign as Canada's dis- 
tinctive national flag as endorsed by the Royal Canadian Legion and the I.O.D.E. 
— (Notice of Motion No. 21). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whoxe of a certain 
proposed resolution to amend the National Housing Act, 1954. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the 
National Housing Act, 1954, 

(a) to provide further assistance to provinces and municipalities carry- 
ing out urban renewal programmes by authorizing Central Mortgage and Hous- 
ing Corporation (hereinafter referred to as "the Corporation") to make con- 
tributions and loans to provinces or municipalities to assist them in meeting 
the costs of such programmes, and for this purpose to provide for the payment 
out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of amounts not exceeding in the aggre- 
gate one hundred million dollars; 

(b) to authorize the Corporation to make loans and to insure loans made 
by approved lenders to owners of existing houses in areas included in urban 
renewal programmes; 

(c) to authorize the Corporation to make loans and contributions to pro- 
vincially or municipally owned housing agencies for constructing or acquiring 
public housing projects and operating such projects, and to authorize the Cor- 
poration to contribute a portion of the operating losses on any such projects that 
provide subsidized housing accommodation to individuals or families of low 
income; 

(d) to permit federal-provincial public housing projects to include exist- 
ing housing and hostel or dormitory type housing accommodation; 

(e) to authorize the Corporation to make loans to non-profit organiza- 
tions to assist in the acquisition or construction of housing accommodation for 
individuals or families of low income; 

(f) to authorize the Corporation to make loans to cooperative associations 
and charitable corporations to assist in the construction of accommodation for 
university students and their families and to increase from one hundred mil- 
lion dollars to one hundred and fifty million dollars the maximum amount 
that may be paid out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund for this purpose; 

(g) to authorize the Corporation to make loans to provinces to assist in the 
construction or expansion of sewage treatment projects and to authorize the 
Corporation to forgive repayment of twenty-five per cent of the principal 
and interest on any loans made to provinces or municipalities for this purpose 
in respect of work completed by March 31. 1967: 

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(h) to increase from two billion dollars to two and one-half billion dol- 
lars the maximum charge on the Consolidated Revenue Fund for direct loans 
by the Corporation; 

(i) to provide for the establishment of a special account in the Consoli- 
dated Revenue Fund out of which amounts not exceeding in the aggregate one 
hundred million dollars may be advanced to the Corporation for the making 
of loans to the holders of mortgages issued in respect of loans insured under 
the Act and for the purchase by the Corporation of mortgages issued to secure 
such loans; 

(j) to increase the loan ratio for insured loans made to home owners and 
"builders; and 

(k) to provide further for certain changes in the administration of the 
Act. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 

Mr. Nicholson, seconded by Mr. Laing, by leave of the House, presented Bill 
C-102, An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954, which was read the 
first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 

deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Robichaud, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Order in 
Council P.C. 1964-373, dated March 12, 1964, authorizing the Manner in which 
Fishing Bounty may be distributed for the year ended March 31, 1964, together 
with a Statement of such payments for the said year, pursuant to section 4 of 
the Deep Sea Fisheries Act, chapter 61, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.25 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-21, An Act to author- 
ize the Construction and Maintenance of a Bridge across the St. Lawrence 
River between the City of Ste-Foy, in the County of Quebec, and the Munic- 
ipality of St-Nicolas, in the County of Levis, both in the Province of Quebec; 

Mr. Deschatelets, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



[A.t 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-18, An Act respecting 
The Montreal Board of Trade; 

Mr. Mackasey, seconded by Mr. Greene, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



386 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-31, An Act respect- 
ing Sir John A. Macdonald Day; 

Mr. Macquarrie, seconded by Mrs. Casselinan, moved,— That the said bill 
be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-100, An Act to amend 
the Farm Credit Act; 

Mr. Hays, seconded by Mr. Tremblay, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 29, 1964, for a copy of all letters, memor- 
anda or other documents exchanged since the 22nd of April 1963, between the 
government and any municipality within the National Capital area, concerning 
the possible setting up of a National Capital District. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 107). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address of the House, dated April 
29, 1964, to His Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all letters, mem- 
oranda or other documents exchanged between the Canadian Government, on 
the one hand, and the Governments of the Provinces of Quebec and Ontario, on 
the other hand, since the 22nd of April 1963, concerning the setting up of a 
National Capital District. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 108). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, (Question No. 275) showing: 1. Since January 1, 1962, have any con- 
tracts been awarded to Canadair Limited and, if so, with respect to each such 
contract, what is (a) its nature (b) its date of completion (c) the amount 
thereof (d) the number of employees (i) actual or (ii) estimated employed 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 2nd JUNE 387 

in the fulfilment of the contract (e) the number of man-hours of employment 
(i) actual or (ii) estimated consumed in the fulfilment of the contract (f) 
the ratio between the number of (i) employees or (ii) man-hours of employ- 
ment and the total number of employees or man-hours of employment effective 
at Canadair? 

2. As a result of government activities, is any increase in employment 
forecast for Canadair for the next six months and, if so, what is this forecast 
expressed in terms of employees and man-hours, both absolute and as a ratio 
to the total work force? 

3. Does the government plan any additional steps to ensure that the num- 
ber of hourly-paid employees at Canadair is increased and, if so, what in detail 
are these steps? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, (Question No. 278) showing: 1. Since January 1, 1962, have any contracts 
been awarded by any federal government department or agency to Fairey Avia- 
tion Ltd. at Dartmouth, N.S. or Pat Bay, B.C. on a cost-plus basis and, if so, 
what were the contracts for, their amount, and the date each contract was 
awarded? 

2. What contracts, other than those referred to in part 1, have been 
awarded by any federal government department or agency to Fairey Aviation 
Ltd., Dartmouth, N.S., and Pat Bay, B.C. since January 1, 1962, listed by the 
amount, the date each contract was awarded and the nature of the contract? 

3. If tenders were called what was the name of the unsuccessful company 
or companies and the amount of each bid? 



By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II, of 
Wednesday, May 27, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



Financial Statement of the Royal Society of Canada, certified by the Audi- 
tors, for the year ended March 31, 1964. 



Minutes of Proceedings of the Royal Society of Canada, 1963, pursuant to 
section 9 of An Act to Incorporate the Royal Society of Canada, chapter 46, 
Statutes of Canada, 1883. (English and French). 

Ninth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 70(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, filed after April 1st, 1964, and presented on June 1st, meets the 
requirements of Standing Order 70. However, this petition was not filed within 
the time limit specified by Standing Order 93. 

John William Blain, John Barker Lawson, Thomas Albert Boyles and many 
others, all of the City of Toronto, Ontario, for an Act to incorporate World 
Mortgage Corporation, and/or "La Corporation Mondiale d'Hypotheques", and 
for other purposes. — Mr. Wahn. 



388 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

At 10.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Loiselle, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Third Report of the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous 
Private Bills, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-ll, an Act to incorporate Canadian 
Conference of the Brethren in Christ Church, and has agreed to report it 
with the following amendments: 

On Clause 4. 

Sub-clause (a), line 7, page 2, add the word "Christian" before the 
word "faith". 

Sub-clause (b), line 11, page 2, add the word "Christian" before the 
word "faith". 

Sub-clause (c), line 17, page 2, add the word "Christian" before the word 
"faith". 

Add following new clause 18 on page 5: 
Application. 18 The prov i s j, ons of subsection (3) of section 147 of the 

Companies Act shall apply to the Corporation. 

Renumber as 19 clause 18 on page 5 of the said Bill. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, (Issue No. 1) is 
appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 2 to the Journals). 

Mr. Baldwin, from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented 
the Second Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 
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2. That it be empowered to appoint sub-committees, to fix the quorum of 
any such sub-committee and to refer to such sub-committees any of the 
matters referred to the Committee; that any such sub-committee so appointed 
have power to send for persons, papers and records and to examine witnesses; 
to sit while the House is sitting, and to report from time to time to the 
Committee. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. 
Tardif, the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a Telegram addressed by the Prime Minister of Canada to 
the Premier of the Province of Newfoundland on the subject of a National 
Flag and the Royal Union Flag, dated May 27, 1964. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Stewart be substituted for the name of Mr. Foy on the 
Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Francis be substituted for that of Mr. Eudes on the 
Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Hales be substituted for that of Mr. Lambert on the 
Special Committee on Procedure and Organization. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Loiselle, seconded by Mr. 
Bechard, it was ordered,- — 

That the petitions of The Bell Telephone Company of Canada, The 
Casualty Company of Canada, The Dominion of Canada General Insurance 
Company, Stan Reesor Kaufman and others, for an Act to incorporate Meota 
Pipe Lines Ltd., and of John William Blain and other persons of the City 
of Toronto, for an Act to incorporate World Mortgage Corporation, filed after 
the time limit specified under Standing Order 93, be referred to the Standing 
Committee on Standing Orders, together with the Seventh and Ninth Reports 
of the Clerk of Petitions thereon, dated Thursday, May 21, and Tuesday, 
June 2, 1964, respectively, for such recommendations as the Committee 
may deem advisable. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration later this day pursuant to Standing 
Order 21(2): 

That it is expedient that the Houses of Parliament do approve the ratifica- 
tion of the treaty between Canada and the United States of America relating 
to cooperative development of the water resources of the Columbia River 
Basin, signed at Washington on January 17, 1961, and the consequent coming 
into force of the Protocol thereto annexed to the exchange of notes signed at 
Washington on January 22, 1964, and that this House do approve the same. 
— The Secretary of State for External Affairs. 



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Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following four Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 182 — Mr. Pigeon 
What is the total amount of all the contracts awarded or orders placed 
without public tenders, since April 22, 1963, for each individual government 
department and Crown corporation? 

No. 687 — Mr. Smith 

1. What are the directions, instructions, regulations or orders given to 
survey parties regarding (a) purchasing of materials and supplies used in their 
duties (b) hiring of men? 

2. Within the last year, have these regulations been changed and, if so, 
in what particular way? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 968 — Mr. MacRae 

1. What service contracts have been awarded by the Department of 
Defence Production for Camp Gagetown for the fiscal year April 1, 1964 to 
March 31, 1965? 

2. Who submitted tenders and what was the amount of each tender? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,195— Mr. Cote (Chicoutimi) 

1. How many mattresses were purchased for the three Armed Services 
by the Department of Defence Production in 1962 and 1963? 

2. What were the sizes and specifications required? 

3. What price was paid for each category of mattress and were they 
purchased through tender, or otherwise? 

4. Who manufactured the mattresses? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers No. 121 and 123 were 
allowed to stand at the request of the government. 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That it is 
expedient that the Houses of Parliament do approve the ratification of the 
treaty between Canada and the United States of America relating to coopera- 
tive development of the water resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed 
at Washington on January 17, 1961, and the consequent coming into force of 
the Protocol thereto annexed to the exchange of notes signed at Washington 
on January 22, 1964, and that this House do approve the same. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-91, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, without 
amendment. 

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By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Webster be substituted for that of Mr. Mather on the 
Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Macquarrie, seconded by Mr. Howe (Wellington-Huron), moved, — 
That, in the opinion of this House, the government should consider the 
advisability of establishing free trade between Canada and those West Indies 
islands comprising the proposed Eastern Caribbean Federation.- — (Notice of 
Motion No. 22). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered that 
the name of Mr. McNulty be substituted for that of Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame- 
de-Grace), on the Special Committee on Defence. 



Mr. Pennell, seconded by Mr. Beer, by leave of the House, introduced Bill 
C-103, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (Wire Tapping, etc.), which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That it is expedient that the Houses of Par- 
liament do approve the ratification of the treaty between Canada and the 
United States of America relating to cooperative development of the water 
resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17, 
1961, and the consequent coming into force of the Protocol thereto annexed to 
the exchange of notes signed at Washington on January 22, 1964, and that this 
House do approve the same. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Brewin, seconded by Mr. Herridge proposed to move in amendment 
thereto, — That the resolution before the House be amended by adding thereto 
the following words: "Subject to the negotiation of a further protocol or an 
exchange of letters clarifying the right of Canada to divert up to 6,000 cfs or 
5 million acre feet annually from the Columbia River for the beneficial use of 
the Prairie regions and for multiple-purpose use of water so diverted." 



394 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The honourable Member for St. Lawrence-St. George (Mr. Turner), 
having raised a point of order as to the admissibility of the amendment; 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-ll, An Act to incorporate Canadian Conference of the Brethren 
in Christ Church, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported with 
amendments (as made in the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private 
Bills) and considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)'] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Smallwood, 
seconded by Mr. Stefanson, — That an Order of the House do issue for the pro- 
duction of all flag designs or models which have been received by the Prime 
Minister, Members of the Cabinet or the Government, as models for a Canadian 
flag. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 122). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-25, An Act respecting the Geneva Conventions, 1949, 
to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



Debate was resumed on the point of order as to the admissibility of the 
amendment of Mr. Brewin to the motion to approve the ratification of the 
Columbia River Treaty. 

After further debate; 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker: The very narrow and limited question before the 
House is not approval or disapproval of the terms of the agreement but ap- 
proval or disapproval of the ratification of the treaty. I would hesitate to rule 
that, in seeking this approval and in placing this very limited question before 
the House, the government ipso facto abdicates its prerogative in the realm of 
treaty-making, a prerogative on which the proposed amendment would seem 
to encroach. 

In any event, if there can be some doubt about the acceptability of this con- 
stitutional argument, it appears that the validity of the amendment proposed 
by the honourable Member for Greenwood (Mr. Brewin) is open to question 
on other and firmer grounds. As has been pointed out by the honourable Mem- 
ber for Peace River (Mr. Baldwin), it is extremely difficult to produce an 
acceptable motion in a situation of this kind. There are first the limitations of 
Standing Order 44 which, of course, are well known to honourable Members 



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but perhaps I should quote the Standing Order at this time: "When a question 
is under debate no motion is received unless to amend it; to postpone it to a 
day certain; for the previous question; for reading the orders of the day; for 
proceeding to another order; to adjourn the debate; or for the adjournment of 
the House." 

Then in turn an amendment is limited by the rule of relevancy. On this 
point I should like to quote from May, 16th edition, at page 421: "The funda- 
mental rule that debate must be relevant to a question necessarily involves the 
rule that every amendment must be relevant to the question on which the 
amendment is proposed. Stated generally, no matter ought to be raised m 
debate on a question which would be irrelevant, if moved as an amendment, 
and an amendment cannot be used for importing arguments which would be 
irrelevant to the main question." 

The difficulty, of course, is that if an amendment proposes nothing new 
it is a nullity and if it does introduce a new proposition not covered in the 
motion it becomes irrelevant. In this instance the proposed amendment does 
import a new argument and thus contravenes the rule of relevancy. 

Another point made by the honourable Members for Peace River and St. 
Lawrence-St. George is that the amendment is an expanded negative. It seems 
to me that acceptance of the amendment negatives approval of ratification of 
the treaty, since it proposes re-opening negotiations with a view to changing 
the terms of the treaty itself. Our rules provide a way to negative a question, 
and this must be done not by way of amendment but simply by voting against 
the main proposal. 

Furthermore, the Chair agrees with the suggestion made in the course of 
argument this afternoon that one cannot propose an amendment which does 
not oppose or alter the main motion but attempts to approve of it on a condi- 
tional basis. The reference made this afternoon was to citation 201 of Beau- 
chesne's 4th edition. 

Lastly, it would appear to the Chair that the amendment proposed by the 
honourable Member for Greenwood is in the nature of a substantive motion 
requiring notice. 

Perhaps in concluding I should refer honourable Members to a very simi- 
lar situation which is reported in the Journals of the House of Commons and 
which rebuts the suggestion made this evening that we are now breaking new 
ground. I would refer honourable Members to the Journals of the House of 
Commons for Wednesday, the 11th day of June, 1958, at page 132. On that 
occasion the House was considering the following motion: "That it is expedient 
that the Houses of Parliament do approve an exchange of notes constituting an 
agreement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the 
United States of America . . . and that this House do approve the same." 

At the time an amendment was proposed by Mr. Howard, seconded by 
Mr. Martin (Timmins), as follows: "That the motion be amended by adding 
thereto the following words, — 'And, in the opinion of this House, consideration 
of the interests of collective security and the principles of the United Nations 
make it advisable for the government to give consideration to the taking of 
such steps as are necessary to integrate these agreements within the structure 
of NATO.' " 

Mr. Speaker Michener made the following ruling: "I concur in the view 
he — " — The Acting Speaker — "tentatively expressed as to the irrelevance of 
the proposed amendment which I think is apparent from a consideration of 
the motion itself which calls for two things; first, that it is expedient that the 
Houses of Parliament do approve the agreement and, second, that the House 
do approve the agreement. That is all that the motion puts forward. In effect 
if the motion is affirmed it will approve the agreement and if it is negatived 



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it will disapprove the agreement. If the amendment has the effect of denying 
the motion it is unnecessary and irrelevant because those Members who wish 
to disapprove the agreement have only to vote against the motion as it stands. 
If the amendment adds something to the motion in a positive way it is a decla- 
ration of principle." 

Then, a few lines further on: "Assuming that the amendment and the 
motion were accepted you would have the agreement approved but you would 
have added to it a declaration of this independent principle which is not related 
to the motion nor is it necessary for the decision of the motion in question. 

"That view is reinforced by a consideration of the limited number of cases 
where it is possible to introduce a principle by way of an amendment." 

Speaker Michener here refers to a ruling of a previous Speaker, to which 
the honourable Member for St. Lawrence-St. George referred this afternoon, 
in which he said: "May, Bourinot, and Redlich indicate that the only motions 
upon which amendments declaratory of principle may be moved are motions 
for an Address in Reply to the Speech from the Throne, motions to go into 
Committee of Ways and Means, and Supply, and for the second reading of 
Public Bills." 

For these reasons and on these grounds I must declare the amendment out 
of order. 



Whereupon the honourable Member for Greenwood (Mr. Brewin) appealed 
to the House from the ruling of the Chair. 

The question being put by Mr. Deputy Speaker: "Shall the ruling of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 
Messrs: 



Alkenbrack, 


Coates, 


Gordon, 


MacEwan, 


Armstrong, 


Cooper, 


Grafftey, 


MacNaught, 


Badanai, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Granger, 


Macquarrie, 


Baldwin, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Gray, 


McCutcheon, 


Basford, 


Cowan, 


Greene, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Batten, 


Grossman, 


Groos, 


McWilliam, 


Beaule, 


Crouse, 


Gundlock, 


Madill, 


Bechard, 


Cyr, 


Habel, 


Mandziuk, 


Beer, 


Danforth, 


Hahn, 


Marcoux, 


Berger, 


Davis, 


Haidasz, 


Martin (Essex East) 


Bigg, 


Deachman, 


Hamilton, 


Matheson, 


Blouin, 


Deschatelets, 


Harley, 


Matte, 


Boulanger, 


Dinsdale, 


Hellyer, 


Millar, 


Boutin, 


Dionne, 


Honey, 


Monteith, 


Brown, 


Doucette, 


Howe (Wellington- 


Moore, 


Byrne, 


Emard, 


Huron), 


Moreau, 


Cadieux, 


Enns, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Morison, 


Cameron (High 


fithier, 


Korchinski, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Park), 


Eudes, 


Lachance, 


North and 


Cantelon, 


Fane, 


Laing, 


Victoria), 


Cantin, 


Fleming (Okanagan 


-Lamb, 


Mullally, 


Cardiff, 


Revelstoke), 


Langlois, 


Nicholson, 


Carter, 


Flemming (Victoria 


-Laniel, 


Nielsen, 


Cashin, 


Carleton) , 


L.aorise, 


Noble, 


Choquette, 


Forbes, 


Latulippe, 


Nowlan, 


Chretien, 


Francis, 


Leblanc, 


Nugent, 


Churchill, 


Gauthier, 


Leboe, 


O'Keefe, 


Clancy, 


Gelber, 


Macaluso, 


Olson, 




Godin, 


Macdonald, 


Ormiston, 



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Ouellet, 


Richard, 


Stefanson, 


Wahn, 


Pascoe, 


Rinfret, 


Stenson, 


Walker, 


Paul, 


Rochon, 


Tardif, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Pepin, 


Rock, 


Temple, 


Watson 


Perron, 


Rouleau, 


Thomas, 


(Chateauguay- 


Pickersgill, 


Ryan, 


Tremblay, 


Huntingdon- 


Pigeon, 


Rynard, 


Tucker, 


Laprairie), 


Pilon, 


Sharp, 


Turner, 


Webb, 


Prud'homme, 


Southam, 


Valade, 


Whelan, 


Ricard, 


Starr, 


Vincent, 

Nays 
Messrs: 


Willoughby, 

Winkler— 147. 


Barnett, 


Douglas, 


Howe (Hamilton 


Scott, 


Brewin, 


Fisher, 


South), 


Webster, 


Cameron (Nanaimo-Herridge, 


Knowles, 


Winch— 13. 


Cowichan-The 


Howard, 


Orlikow, 




Islands), 









Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex East), 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That it is expedient that the Houses of Parliament 
do approve the ratification of the treaty between Canada and the United States 
of America relating to cooperative development of the water resources of the 
Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17, 1961, and the 
consequent coming into force of the Protocol thereto annexed to the exchange 
of notes signed at Washington on January 22, 1964, and that this House do 
approve the same. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A: 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 



The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of April, 1964. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated April 29, 1964, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of all correspondence exchanged between June 21, 1957, and April 22, 
1963, between any member of the Government of Newfoundland and the Min- 
ister of Citizenship and Immigration regarding additional federal assistance 
for Indians and Eskimos in Labrador. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 105). 



398 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Tremblay, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Number and Amount of Loans to Immigrants made under section 69(1) of 
the Immigration Act for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 
69(6) of the said Act, chapter 325, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.27 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 5th JUNE, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-25, An Act respecting the Geneva Conventions, 1949. — Mr. Martin 
(Essex East). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Martin (Essex 
East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That it is expedient that the Houses of Par- 
liament do approve the ratification of the treaty between Canada and the 
United States of America relating to cooperative development of the water 
resources of the Columbia River Basin, signed at Washington on January 17, 
1961, and the consequent coming into force of the Protocol thereto annexed to 
the exchange of notes signed at Washington on January 22, 1964, and that this 
House do approve the same. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Aiken, 


Berger, 


Chatterton, 


Dinsdale, 


Basford, 


Blouin, 


Churchill, 


Doucett, 


Batten, 


Brown, 


Clancy, 


Enns, 


Beaule, 


Cantelon, 


Coates, 


Ethier, 


Bechard, 


Cardiff, 


Crouse, 


Fane, 


Beer, 


Caron, 


Danforth, 


Fleming 


Bell, 


Carter, 


Deachman, 


(Okanagan- 


Benidickson, 


Casselman (Mrs.), 


Diefenbaker, 


Revelstoke). 



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Forbes, 


Lachance, 




Muir (Lisgar), 


Rynard, 


Foy, 


Laing, 




Mullally, 


Sharp, 


Francis, 


Leboe, 




Munro, 


Slogan, 


Gelber, 


Lloyd, 




Nicholson, 


Southam, 


Girouard, 


Loney, 




Nielsen, 


Stefanson, 


Granger, 


Macdonald, 




Noble, 


Stewart, 


Gray, 


MacEwan, 




Nowlan, 


Tardif, 


Greene, 


MacLean (Queens), 


O'Keefe, 


Temple, 


Gregoire, 


McBain, 




Ormiston, 


Thomas, 


Groos, 


McCutcheon, 




Pascoe, 


Tremblay, 


Gundlock, 


Mcllraith, 




Pepin, 


Tucker, 


Habel, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Perron, 


Turner, 


Haidasz, 


McMillan, 




Pickersgill, 


Warm, 


Hamilton, 


McWilliam, 




Plourde, 


Walker, 


Harkness, 


Mandziuk, 




Prud'homme, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Harley, 


Martin (Essex 


-East), 


Richard, 


Watson (Chateau- 


Hellyer, 


Matheson, 




Robichaud, 


guay-Huntingdon- 


Kennedy, 


Morison, 




Rochon, 


Laprairie), 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Muir (Cape, Breton 


Rondeau, 


Whelan, 


Korchinski, 


North and 
Victoria), 




Rouleau, 


Willoughby, 
Winkler— 108. 






Nays 








Messrs: 




Barnett, 


Cooper, 




Howard, 


Peters, 


Brewin, 


Douglas, 




Knowles, 


Prittie, 


Cameron (Nanaimo- 


Fisher, 




Martin (Timmins), 


Scott, 


Cowichan-The 


Herridge, 




Orlikow, 


Webster, 


Islands), 








Winch— 16. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House is 
desired: 

Bill S-23, An Act to incorporate Seicho-No-Ie. — Mr. Ryan. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) ] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-33, An Act to amend 
the Combines Investigation Act (Floor Penalties, Criminal Joint Tortfeasors, 
and Moieties) ; 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Scott, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 5th JUNE 401 

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report 
with respect to Operations under the Coal Production Assistance Act for the 
year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 173, 
R.S.C., 1952, as amended. (English and French). 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Superintendent of Insurance for Canada, Volume III, Annual Statements — Life 
Insurance Companies and Fraternal Benefit Societies, for the year ended Decem- 
ber 31, 1962, pursuant to section 9 of the Department of Insurance Act, chapter 
70, R.S.C., 1952. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 8th JUNE, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Granger, from the Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries, pre- 
sented the Second Report of the said Committee, which was read as follows: 
Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be granted leave to sit while the House is sitting. 

2. That it be empowered to engage technical and clerical personnel, as it 
may deem necessary, to evaluate the information available to the Committee 
and to obtain a balanced analysis of that information. That the said staff be 
responsible and report to the Committee. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Granger, seconded by Mr. Bas- 
ford, the said Report v/as concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Macdonald, Brown, Lloyd, Hahn, and Cantin be substi- 
tuted for those of Messrs. Watson (Chateauguay-Huntingdon-Laprairie), 
Greene, Rideout, Macaluso, and Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace) on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



Mr. Hays, seconded by Mr. Nicholson, moved, — That the House do go into 
Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following proposed 
resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Crop Insurance 
Act to authorize the Governor in Council to enter into agreements for the 
purpose of establishing a crop reinsurance program to supplement provincial 
crop insurance plans; to provide for the establishment in the Consolidated 



404 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Revenue Fund of a special account, to be known as the Crop Reinsurance Fund, 
to which shall be credited amounts paid by a province under a crop reinsur- 
ance agreement and out of which shall be paid amounts required for the pay- 
ment of reinsurance claims; to authorize advances from time to time from the 
Consolidated Revenue Fund by way of non-interest bearing loans to the Crop 
Reinsurance Fund; and to authorize the rebate, to grain growers whose grain 
is grown on insured lands, of sums paid by way of levy under the Prairie Farm 
Assistance Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the "Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 1,046 — Mr. Nielsen 

1. What was the total revenue collected by the Department of Transport 
in landing fees assessed to (a) commercial aircraft (b) private aircraft, for 
the six months period May 1, 1963 to October 31, 1963 at each airport in 
Canada controlled by the Department of Transport? 

2. What was the total revenue collected from the aviation fuel concession 
fee of one cent per gallon from (a) commercial aircraft (b) private aircraft, 
for the six months period May 1, 1963 to October 31, 1963 at each airport 
in Canada controlled by the Department of Transport? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



No. 1,124 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. How many aircraft does the Canadian Government own? 

2. How many different types of aircraft does Canada own? 

3. What is the average cost of each of these types? 

4. What was the average cost of maintaining each type in 1961, 1962, 
and 1963? 

5. What personnel expenditures on the average were required for each 
of these types for these three years? 

6. What is the average annual operating cost for each of these types? 

7. What were the losses for each type during the last three years? 

Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 



*No. 1,200 — Mr. Woolliams 

1. When does the Minister of Northern Affairs and National Resources 
intend to amend the Parks regulations and laws so that tourists infringing 
parking regulations in the Banff National Park do not have to appear in Court 
as if they had committed a quasi and/or criminal offence? 

2. Is the government intending to remove the toll charged people who are 
using the Trans-Canada Highway and must pass through the Parks en route to 
their destination, although they do not desire to remain in the Parks? 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 8th JUNE 405 

3. What rates are charged to people using passenger cars or transport 
trucks when they must pass through the Parks? 

4. Under what authority is a charge made to a person using the Trans- 
Canada Highway when he does not intend to remain in the Parks or visit the 
same? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-102, An Act to amend 
the National Housing Act, 1954; 

Mr. Nicholson, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — That the said bill 
be now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Nielsen, seconded by Mr. Rheaume, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should consider the advisability of amending the 
Income Tax Act so that Canadian taxpayers residing in the high-cost northerly 
areas of Canada be allowed an increased personal exemption to that now 
allowed under the Income Tax Act in order to: 

(1) encourage and accelerate population growth in Canada's northern areas; 

(2) assist in creating a permanent population in Canada's North; 

(3) remove the discriminatory tax burden which now exists as between the 
northern Canadian taxpayer and those taxpayers living in the more south- 
erly areas of Canada; and 

(4) eliminate the hardship now caused to families in the lower income group 
now residing, and to reside, in Canada's northern areas. — (Notice of Mo- 
tion No. 23). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the motion of Mr. Nicholson, seconded by Mr. Mac- 
Naught,— That Bill C-102, An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954, be 
now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



406 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Maclnnis be substituted for that of Mr. Lambert on the Special 
Committee on Defence. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.05 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of Form 
Letters sent in reply to representations received concerning the Flag and 
Anthem. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report respecting 
the Operations of the Agreements and Payments to the Provinces under the 
Crop Insurance Act for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 10 
of the said Act, chapter 42, Statutes of Canada, 1959. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement of 
Moneys received and disbursed in the Special Account (Replacement of Mate- 
riel) for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 11(4) of the Na- 
tional Defence Act, chapter 184, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, Return to 
an Address, dated April 22, 1964, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
a copy of all correspondence exchanged between June 21, 1957, and April 22, 
1963, between any member of the Government of Newfoundland and the Min- 
ister of Northern Affairs and National Resources regarding additional federal 
assistance for Indians and Eskimos in Labrador. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 106). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated June 19, 1963, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, 
projected plans and documents between the federal government or any agency 
or branch thereof and any provincial government, persons or organizations since 
January 1, 1961, with regard to rail line abandonment. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 29). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an x\ddress, dated March 4, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
between the government and the governments of the provinces concerning 
arrangements for loans to university students by the federal government as 
announced in the Speech from the Throne. — (Notice of Motion for the Produc- 
tion of Papers No. 5). 



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By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 11, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and documents ex- 
changed between the Department of Transport, the Department of Public 
Works, the City of Trois-Rivieres, the contractors and intermediaries concern- 
ing the dredging of the St. Maurice channel, the development of a berthing 
area and of a mooring basin, from January 1, 1962 to April 8, 1963. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 54). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated April 1, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for a copy of all correspondence, letters, tele- 
grams or other documents exchanged between the Prime Minister or any Min- 
ister of the Cabinet and Mr. Jean Lesage, Premier of the Province of Quebec 
or Mr. Gerin-Lajoie, Minister of Youth, concerning interest free loans to uni- 
versity students, as mentioned in the Speech from the Throne. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 29). 



At 10.27 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 9th JUNE, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, delivered a Mes- 
sage from His Excellency the Governor General, which was read by Mr. 
Speaker as follows: 

GEORGES P. VANIER 

The Governor General transmits to the House of Commons Supplementary 
Estimates (A) of sums required for the service of Canada for the year ending 
on the 31st March, 1965, and, in accordance with the provisions of the British 
North America Act, 1867, the Governor General recommends these Estimates to 
the House of Commons. 

Government House, Ottawa. 

On motion of Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Laing, the said Message and 
Supplementary Estimates (A), 1964-65, were referred to the Committee of 
Supply. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-96, An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Ex- 
chequer Court Act, without amendment. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-27, An Act respecting The Bell Telephone Company of Canada. — 
Mr. Brown. 



410 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had received a communication 
notifying him that a vacancy had occurred in the representation, namely: 

Sherwood Hayes Rideout, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of 
Westmorland, by decease; 

And that he had addressed his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for 
the issue of a new Writ of Election for the said Electoral District. 



ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF WESTMORLAND 

Dominion of Canada! TT . ~ 

T -art- ( House of Commons 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

We, the undersigned, hereby give notice, in pursuance of section ten of 
the House of Commons Act, that a vacancy hath occurred in the representation 
in the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Westmorland in the 
Province of New Brunswick, by reason of the death of Sherwood Hayes Ride- 
out, the Member therefor. 

Given under Our Hands and Seals, at the City of Ottawa, this ninth day 
of June, 1964. 

J. CHESTER MACRAE (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of York-Sunbury. 

H. R. MACEWAN (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of Pictou. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Davis be substituted for that of Mr. Rideout on the Standing 
Committee on Mines, Forests and Waters. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Sec- 
retary of State, laid before the House, — List of Outstanding Returns as of June 
9, 1964, to Addresses and Orders of the House of Commons, passed during the 
1st and 2nd Sessions of the 26th Parliament. 



Bill C-102, An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954, was again 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the 
third time and passed. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Hays, seconded 
by Mr. Tremblay, — That Bill C-100, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, be 
now read a second time; 

And debate continuing; 



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[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-23, An Act to incor- 
porate Seicho-No-Ie; 

Mr. Ryan, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, moved, — That the said bill be now- 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-34, An Act respect- 
ing employment of Bilingual Persons in the Public Service and in Crown Cor- 
porations; 

Mr. Pigeon, seconded by Mr. Paul, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Hays, seconded by Mr. 
Tremblay, — That Bill C-100, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, be now 
read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and ordered for con- 
sideration in Committee of the Whole at the next sitting of the House. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.04 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report relat- 
ing to the Administration of the Farmers' Creditors Arrangement Act for the 



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year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 41(2) of the said Act, chapter 
111, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.24 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 10th JUNE, 1964. 

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Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had agreed to the amendments made by the House of Commons to Bill 
S-ll, An Act to incorporate Canadian Conference of the Brethren in Christ 
Church, without any amendment. 



Mr. Richard, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and 
Telegraph Lines, presented the First Report of the said Committee, which was 
read as follows: 

Your Committee recommends: 

1. That it be empowered to print such papers and evidence as may be 
ordered by the Committee, and that Standing Order 66 be suspended in rela- 
tion thereto; 

2. That it be given leave to sit while the House is sitting; 

3. That its quorum be reduced from 20 to 12 Members, and that Standing 
Order 65(1) (b) be suspended in relation thereto. 

By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Richard, seconded by Mr. Tardif, 
the said Report was concurred in. 



Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace), from the Standing Committee on 
Standing Orders, presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which 
is as follows: 

Pursuant to its Order of Reference of June 3, 1964, the Committee has 
considered the following petitions for Private Bills filed after the time specified 
in Standing Order 93, together with the Clerk of Petitions' reports thereon 
tabled on May 21 and June 2, 1964. 

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1. Petition of THE BELL TELEPHONE COMPANY OF CANADA. 
Counsel for the Company stated that the late filing of the petition was 

occasioned by the fact that the form of the draft bill and the petition had to 
be considered and approved by the Board of Directors at a regular meeting 
on April 22, 1964. 

Counsel requested that the Petition be received. 

2. Petition of THE CASUALTY ASSURANCE COMPANY OF CANADA. 
Counsel for the petitioner stated that this petition was filed late because 

of a misunderstanding between the petitioner and the solicitor concerned. 
He asked that the petition be received and that no charges be assessed. 

3. Petition of THE DOMINION OF CANADA GENERAL INSURANCE 
COMPANY. 

Counsel for the petitioner stated that the petition was filed late because 
of a misunderstanding between the petitioner and the solicitor concerned. 
He requested that the petition be received and that the consequent charges 
be waived. 

4. Petition to incorporate MEOTA PIPE LINES LTD. 

The Sponsor of the petition explained that the petitioners for the incor- 
poration of this new company were not aware of the time limit for present- 
ing petitions for Private Bills. He pointed out that the petitioners wished 
to proceed with the incorporation at this session of Parliament. 

5. Petition to incorporate WORLD MORTGAGE CORPORATION. 
Counsel stated that neither the petition nor the draft bill were in proper 

form for presentation within the time specified in Standing Order 93. He 
requested that the petition be received. 

Having considered the petition for a Private Bill numbered above as 
1, your Committee recommends that Standing Order 93 be suspended and 
that this petition be received. The consequent charges as provided by Stand- 
ing Order 94(3) (a) and (c) will amount to $300.00. 

With respect to the petitions numbered above as 2 to 5 inclusive, your 
Committee recommends that Standing Orders 93 and 94(3) (a) and (c) be 
suspended and that the petitions be received. This will result in the waiving of 
all charges. 

The petitions referred to above, together with the reports of the Clerk 
of Petitions related thereto, are returned herewith. 

Mr. Hahn, from the Special Committee on Defence, presented the Second 
Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National 
Defence Act, and has agreed to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Committee's Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating 
to this Bill (Issues Nos. 1 to 6) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 3 to the Journals). 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Irvine be substituted for that of Mr. Coates on the 
Joint Committee on Consumer Credit; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof. 



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On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Nugent be substituted for that of Mr. Willoughby 
on the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, the Report of 
the Joint Committee of both Houses on the Library of Parliament, presented 
to this House on Monday, May 25, 1964, was concurred in. 



By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Pickersgill, seconded by Mr. 
MacNaught, it was ordered, — That the Annual Reports for 1963 of the Cana- 
dian National Railways and of the Canadian National Railways Securities 
Trust, the Auditors' Report to Parliament for 1963 in respect of the Canadian 
National Railways, tabled on April 7, 1964, the Budget for 1964 of the Cana- 
dian National Railways, tabled on March 30, 1964, the Annual Report of 
Trans-Canada Air Lines for 1963, the Auditors' Report to Parliament for 1963 
in respect of Trans-Canada Air Lines, tabled on March 6, 1964, and the Budget 
for 1964 of Trans-Canada Air Lines, tabled on February 28, 1964, be referred 
to the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 970 — Mr. Pascoe 

1. How many contracts for printing have been let by the (a) Printing 
Bureau (b) Department of Industry, from April 22, 1963 to date? 

2. How many of said contracts were over $500.00? 

3. What are the names of all companies or individuals who did such print- 
ing, and the amount of each contract? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence, telegrams 
and other documents exchanged between the government or any agency or 
branch thereof and any other person or organization in the Province of 
British Columbia since April 8, 1963, dealing with the question of immigra- 
tion to Canada of people of Chinese origin except such correspondence from 
persons who are either prospective immigrants or sponsors thereof as that 
correspondence relates to such prospective immigrants. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 121 — Mr. Howard). 



Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 123 was allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 

Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House true copies of the original grants of arms 
for Canada and the Provinces of Ontario and Quebec. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 124 — Mr. Winkler). 

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Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all telegrams received by the 
Prime Minister since the introduction of the proposed resolutions concerning 
the two flags and the two anthems appearing on the Order Paper as items 
44 and 45. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 125 — Mr. 
Pigeon). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of the Report submitted by Mr. 
H. W. Lea, Hydraulic Engineer, to the Minister of Transport to review plans 
for the Trois-Rivieres bridge to study certain apprehensions of federal engi- 
neers, and to report to the Minister whether, in fact, the proposed bridge 
constitutes a danger with regard to ice formation, or for navigation, and, if so, 
to propose the best way to guard against such a possiblity. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 126 — Mr. Vincent). 



Bill C-100, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Hales, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give consideration to the advisability of extend- 
ing the ministerial discretion delegated by Section 16 of the Estate Tax Act 
beyond the "undue hardship or excessive sacrifice" limitations, to the end 
that the Minister possess wider power to accept instalment payment of estate 
taxes and thereby reduce the number of "forced sale" liquidations that, in 
many cases, have resulted in the loss to Canada of Canadian ownership or 
control of Canadian business enterprises. — (Notice of Motion No. 24). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of Letter 
dated June 4 and June 5, 1964, addressed by the Prime Minister of Canada to 
all Provincial Premiers concerning the proposed Pension Plan. 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of Ordi- 
nances, chapters 1 to 12 inclusive, 15 and 16, assented to April 30, 1964 and 
chapters 14 and 17, assented to April 22, 1964, made by the Council of the 



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Yukon Territory, pursuant to section 20 of the Yukon Act, chapter 53, Statutes 
of Canada, 1952-53, together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-849, 
dated June 4, 1964, approving same. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 11th JUNE, 1964. 

2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-24, An Act to amend the Privileges and Immunities 
(United Nations) Act, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Exchange of Letters between Canada and Hungary concern- 
ing Diplomatic and Consular Matters and Negotiations Towards the Settle- 
ment of Claims, dated June 11, 1964. (English and French). 



Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copy of Trade Agreement between Canada and the Hungarian People's Re- 
public, signed at Ottawa, June 11, 1964, together with correspondence ex- 
changed. (English and French). 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Rheaume be substituted for that of Mr. Willoughby on the 
Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to bring in a measure to authorize the Canadian 
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financial requirements of affiliated companies in the year 1964, not exceeding 
$155,000,000, and to make certain capital expenditures and enter into certain 
contracts prior to July 1, 1965; to provide for the financial requirements of 
Trans-Canada Air Lines in an amount not exceeding $5,000,000, either by 
means of loans from Her Majesty to the National Company or by means of 
issues of securities of the National Company, authorized and guaranteed as to 
interest and principal by Her Majesty, the cash proceeds by either method to 
be used only for the financial requirements of Trans-Canada Air Lines, the 
capital needs of the National Company itself being met entirely through the 
sale of preferred stock to Her Majesty and from reserves for depreciation and 
debt discount; to authorize Her Majesty to continue to purchase until Decem- 
ber 31, 1964, Canadian National Company 4% preferred stock in an annual 
amount not exceeding 3% of the gross revenues of the Company; to extend 
until December 31, 1984, the moratorium on interest on the loan of $100,000,000 
to the Company authorized by the Canadian National Railways Capital Revi- 
sion Act of 1952; to authorize Her Majesty to make loans to the Canadian 
National Railway Company and Trans-Canada Air Lines to meet deficiencies 
in operating revenues to June 30, 1965, any such loans to be repaid from rev- 
enues of the Railway Company and Trans-Canada Air Lines or, if revenues 
prove insufficient, by subsequent deficit appropriation by Parliament; and to 
raise the limit on the Canadian National Railway Company's authority to refund 
matured, maturing and callable securities from the present level of $480,000,000 
to $680,000,000. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Bill C-100, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

{Notices of Motions (Papers)'] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Smallwood, 
seconded by Mr. Stefanson, — That an Order of the House do issue for the pro- 
duction of all flag designs or models which have been received by the Prime 
Minister, Members of the Cabinet or the Government, as models for a Canadian 
flag. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 122). 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
negatived, on division. 

(Private Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



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A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills, without amendment: 

Bill C-95, An Act respecting the Payment of Certain Provincial Taxes and 
Fees by Crown Corporations. 

Bill C-98, An Act to amend the Bank Act and the Quebec Savings Banks 
Act. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 12 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-45, An Act to amend 
the Unemployment Insurance Act (Agricultural Employees' Coverage) ; 

Mr. Rapp, seconded by Mr. Southam, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time; 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-100, 
An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



At 10.22 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Crossman be substituted for that of Mr. Lachance on the 
Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-24, An Act to amend the Privileges and Immunities (United Na- 
tions) Act. — Mr. Martin (Essex East). 



Bill C-100, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the third 
time and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Gregoire be substituted for that of Mr. Belanger on 
the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 

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A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-28, An Act respecting the Quebec Board of Trade. — Mr. Cantin. 

Bill S-30, An Act respecting The Dominion of Canada General Insurance 
Company. — Mr. Lachance. 

Bill S-31, An Act respecting The Casualty Company of Canada. — Mr. 
Lachance. 

The said bills were deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing 
Order 103(2). 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 

The Order being read for the Second Reading of Bill C-36, An Act to 
provide for Minimum Wages for Employees in Federal Works, Undertakings 
and Businesses; 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 29, 1964, (Question No. 303) showing: 
1. From December 1961 to December 1962, how much money has the federal 
government allocated to university students (a) in Canada (b) in the Province 
of Quebec? 

2. What has been the amount received in the case of each university in 
1962 and 1963? 

3. What are the specific purposes, if any, of such scholarships or grants? 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 22, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, and other documents received 
by the Government of Canada with respect to the implementation of the 
11% sales tax on re-tread tires. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 97). 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adourned the House without question put 
until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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Prayers. 



Mr. Pennell, from the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections, 
presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

1. Pursuant to its Order of Reference of April 28, 1964, your Committee 
had before it, for consideration and report the matters raised by the honourable 
member for Labelle (Mr. Girouard) in his question of privilege as reported 
in Hansard for Monday, April 27, 1964. 

2. On April 10, 1964, the House of Commons designated twenty-nine 
members of the Committee: 

Miss Jewett, Messrs. Armstrong, Balcer, Beaule, Brewin, Cameron (High 
Park), Cashin, Grossman, Doucett, Drouin, Dube, Francis, Girouard, Greene, 
Howard, Lessard (Saint-Henri), Macquarrie, Marcoux, More (Regina City), 
Moreau, Nielsen, Nugent, O'Keefe, Paul, Plourde, Rapp, Rochon, Valade, 
Woolliams. 

The following were also appointed from time to time to the Committee, 
during the course of its sittings: Messrs. Leboe, Fisher, Scott, Gregoire, Mar- 
tineau, Pigeon, Rheaume, Vincent, Pennell, Chretien, Fairweather, Mullally, 
Gauthier, Basford, Loiselle, Olson, Morison, Prud'homme, Klein, Groos, Chap- 
delaine. 

A Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure was appointed to prepare the 
sittings of the Committee. It comprised of Messrs. Pennell, Dube, Fisher, 
Greene, Gregoire, Leboe, Nielsen, Woolliams. 

3. Your Committee held fifteen meetings and heard evidence under oath. 

4. Your Committee heard the following witnesses: Messrs. Gerard Girou- 
ard, M.P., Maurice J. Moreau, M.P., and Keith Davey, National Organizer of the 
Liberal Party. 

5. The Committee then decided to sit in camera and listened to an opinion 
from Dr. Maurice Ollivier, Parliamentary Counsel, which opinion is attached 
as an appendix to the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence. Your Committee 
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There is no question of privilege involved in the present reference. 

The Committee wishes to express its sincere appreciation to the personnel 
of the House of Commons and all those persons who otherwise assisted the 
Committee in its work. 



On motion of Mr. Temple, seconded by Mr. Regan, the Second Report of 
the Standing Committee on Standing Orders, presented to the House on Wed- 
nesday, June 10, 1964, was concurred in. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Mather be substituted for that of Mr. Webster on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following four Questions were made 
Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 868— Mr. Howard 

What action, in detail, has been taken with respect to each of the following 
recommendations of the Joint Committee of the Senate and the House of 
Commons on Indian Affairs: 

11 (a) The question of transferring health services for Indians to the prov- 
inces should be discussed at a Dominion-Provincial Conference, but the present 
health program should be continued and extended until such time as this can 
be accomplished. 

(b) Provincial welfare legislation and services should be used for the 
benefit of the Indian population. 

(c) Social welfare should be placed on the agenda of a Dominion-Pro- 
vincial Conference with a view to transferring jurisdiction to the provinces. 

(d) A substantially increased public investment should be made in Indian 
housing and sanitation facilities. 

(e) A revolving loan fund for housing purposes should be established."? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 882 — Mr. Muir (Cape Breton North and Victoria) 

1. Since April 8, 1963, what government departments have purchased 
motor vehicles for use in the constituency of Cape Breton North and Victoria 

2. In regard to each purchase, what firms were invited to tender, what were 
the names of the firms that did tender, who was the successful tenderer and 
what was the amount, and what were the amounts of the tenders of all others 
who tendered? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,144 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. How many level crossings are there in Compton-Frontenac? 

2. How many accidents have occurred at these crossings in the last five 



years? 



3. Where did each such accident occur' 



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4. In each case, what was the number of persons killed, seriously injured, 
slightly injured, and what was the amount of material damage? 

5. How many signal lights have been installed in Compton-Frontenac in the 
last five years? 

6. What is the number of signal lights in Compton-Frontenac, and where 
is each located? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 1,169 — Mr. Fisher 

1. Does the government plan to modernize the aircraft carrier H.M.C.S. 
Bonaventure within the next two years and, if so, what is the estimated cost 
of the modernization? 

2. In the time interval before a complete modernization, is there any inten- 
tion to spend any money in rectifying present defects in the ship or to reduce 
the maintenance backlog or to prepare specifications for the modernization and, 
if so, what is the estimate for these expenditures? 

3. How long will the Bonaventure be out of service in the interval before 
modernization begins? 

4. Has there been any shortage in personnel on the H.M.C.S. Bonaventure 
in the past two years in so far as the establishment for technicians is concerned 
and, if so, what are the details? 

5. What has been the repair and maintenance cost of the Bonaventure, 
year by year, since its acquisition by the R.C.N. ? 

6. What is the estimated service life of the Bonaventure^. 

Mr. Cardin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Government Order No. 44 being read, as follows: That the Government 
be authorized to take such steps as may be necessary to establish officially 
as the flag of Canada a flag embodying the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty 
King George V on November 21, 1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one 
stem — in the colours red and white then designated for Canada, the red leaves 
occupying a field of white between vertical sections of blue on the edges of 
the flag and also to provide that the Royal Union Flag, generally known as 
the Union Jack, may continue to be flown as a symbol of Canadian membership 
in the Commonwealth of Nations and of our allegiance to the Crown. 

The honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) raised 
a point of order to the effect that the motion to come before the House con- 
tained two distinct proposals and, in line with an ancient privilege of Parlia- 
ment, a motion containing two or more separate and distinct proposals, could 
be divided in order to permit the House to come to a clear and meaningful 
decision with respect to each of the proposals contained in any such motion; 

After debate thereon; 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: Our Standing Orders do not specifically provide for the 
dividing of a complicated question. However, such Canadian authors as Bou- 



428 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

rinot and Beauchesne, and British authors such as May, do recognize such a pro- 
ceeding. May, at pages 411 and 412 of his 16th edition, states: "The ancient 
rule that, when a complicated question is proposed to the House, the House may 
order such question to be divided, has been variously interpreted at different 
periods. Originally the division of such a question appears to have required 
an Order of the House, and in 1770 a motion 'That it is the rule of this House, 
that a complicated question which prevents any Member from giving his free 
assent or dissent to any part thereof ought, if required, to be divided', was 
negatived on a division. As late as 1883 it was generally held that an individual 
Member had no right to insist upon the division of a complicated question. In 
1888, however, the Speaker ruled that two propositions which were then 
before the House in one motion could be taken separately if any Member 
objected to their being taken together. Although this rule does not appear to 
have been based on any previous decision, it has since remained unchal- 
lenged." 

Then follows the sentence that the honourable Member for Winnipeg 
South Centre (Mr. Churchill) read, if I am not mistaken: "The House does 
not recognize the right of individual Members to insist on the division of mo- 
tions moved in Committee of the Whole House, or of motions giving special 
facilities for the transaction of public business . . .". 

It would appear from the foregoing that in accordance with recent practice 
in the British house, that is, since 1888, the decision whether a question is to 
be divided rests with the Speaker. 

May I give to the House a summary of recent proceedings in the British 
House with regard to the division of complicated questions which I have found 
recorded in their Parliamentary Debates. On April 19, 1888, column 1828, Mr. 
Speaker said: "It may be for the convenience of the House that the honourable 
gentleman's two propositions should be put together, but if any honourable 
gentleman objects to their being taken together, they will be put separately." 

July 17, 1905, columns 897 and 898: "A Member raised a point of order 
asking the Speaker to rule as to whether when a resolution contains various 
different propositions it should not be divided and each put separately. It will 
be seen that the Speaker decided that, in his opinion, it should be divided." 

October 8, 1912, column 161: "Mr. Speaker: ...If the noble lord finds 
himself in any doubt as to how to vote upon it I shall be very glad to put it 
as two questions." 

November 13, 1912, columns 1994 and 1995: "Mr. Speaker: ... the rule, of 
course, is that if any honourable Member feels embarrassed in voting upon 
a resolution, that the Chair shall divide the resolution, in order that the Mem- 
ber may, if he wishes to vote "Aye" on the one part and "No" on the other, 
not be embarrassed by having to vote "Aye" or "No" on the whole of it." 

July 15, 1920, column 2606: "At the request of a Member who asked for 
a ruling with regard to a motion in the name of the Leader of the House which 
he contended consisted of two questions, the Speaker is reported as saying: 
"If it will suit the honourable and gallant gentleman, I will put the question 
in two parts." 

May 14, 1928, column 678: "A motion having been made and a question 
proposed 'That the proceedings on the Currency and Bank Notes Bill and 
on the Bankers (Northern Ireland) Bill be exempted, at this day's sitting, 
from the provisions of the Standing Order (Sittings of the House)', a Mem- 
ber raised a point of order submitting that there were two questions involved 
in the motion and asked whether two divisions or only one division would be 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 15th JUNE 429 

taken. The Speaker decided not to divide the motion on the ground that the 
business specified under the Standing Order could include two or more Bills, 
and sometimes it includes some other government business." 

This reference will serve to indicate, at least in my opinion, that the 
Speaker in the British House has a right of discretion in such matters. 

In Canada, on the other hand, Bourinot, at page 298 of his 4th edition, 
states in part as follows: "As respects what are known as 'complicated ques- 
tions', they may always be divided into distinct parts, with the consent of the 
House. No individual Member, however, can ask, as a matter of right, that such 
a question be divided, since the House alone can properly decide whether it 
is complicated or not and into how many propositions it may be divided. The 
fact is, the necessity of dividing a complicated question is now obviated by 
the facilities offered for moving amendments. But, in any case, it is always 
open to a Member to move formally that a question be divided. 

"A motion which contains two or more distinct propositions may be divided 
so that the sense of the House may be taken on each separately." 

The footnote to the foregoing commentary indicates that Bourinot's com- 
ments are based on a proceeding which occurred in the British House in 1770 
which, however, it should be noted, refers to the ancient practice in the 
British House. 

In the same regard paragraph 4 of citation 200 of Beauchesne's 4th edition 
reads as follows: "A motion which contains two or more distinct propositions 
may be divided so that the sense of the House may be taken on each sepa- 
rately." 

While this citation is a reiteration, in part, of what has been stated by 
Bourinot, no indication is given as to the procedure to be followed in making 
any such division. 

May I at this time thank all those honourable Members who have made 
such a valuable contribution to our discussion this afternoon on what is a 
very difficult problem. The Chair very much appreciates having the benefit 
of their experience and knowledge. I have looked into our records and have 
failed to find any case which establishes a clear and proper procedure on the 
matter. It is true that there are to be found instructions to committees to divide 
Bills, or to introduce more than one Bill based on a single resolution adopted 
in Committee of the Whole; but such instances, in my view, are different 
from and not applicable to the present situation. 

I have considered other cases which might have some bearing on this 
question, in particular the procedure followed in 1947 and 1948 when a motion 
was divided in our House, and I might perhaps be permitted to deal more in 
detail with that instance, which seems to be the nearest to the problem con- 
fronting us today. 

On Wednesday, December 10, 1947, when a motion to approve the Gen- 
eral Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, together with a complementary agree- 
ment with the United Kingdom was being considered, an amendment was pro- 
posed thereto as follows: 

"That the said resolution be not now proceeded with, but that the same 
be referred to the Committee of the Whole House with instructions to divide 
the subject-matter thereof into two resolutions, one relating to 'the General 
Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, including the protocol of provisional applica- 
tion thereof, annexed to the Final Act of the Second Session of the Prepara- 
tory Committee of the United Nations Conference on Trade and Employment 
held at Geneva from April 10 to October 30, 1947, together with the comple- 
mentary agreements of October 30, 1947, between Canada and the United 
States of America,' and the other resolution relating to 'the complementary 



430 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

agreement of the same date (April 30, 1947) between Canada and the United 
Kingdom.' " 

It is suggested that this amendment was irregular in that "it is not an 
amendment to a motion to move that the question go to a committee". In this 
connection see citation 202, subsection 6, Beauchesne, 4th edition. 

At any rate, when this debate was resumed on March 10, 1948, a sub- 
amendment was proposed in the following words: 

"That the amendment be amended, — (b) by adding at the end of the said 
amendment the following: 'the said resolution to be expressed as follows, 
— That it is expedient that Parliament do approve the General Agreement on 
Tariffs and Trade, including the protocol of provisional application thereof, 
annexed to the Final Act of the Second Session of the Preparatory Committee 
of the United Nations Conference on Trade and Employment held at Geneva 
from April 10 to October 30, 1947, together with the complementary agreement 
of October 30, 1947, between Canada and the United States of America; that 
the House do approve the same, subject to the legislation required in order to 
give effect to the provisions thereof.' 

That it is expedient that Parliament do approve the complementary 
agreement of October 30, 1947, between Canada and the United Kingdom 
relating to the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade; and that the House 
do approve the same, subject to the legislation required in order to give effect 
to the provisions thereof.' " 

Subsequently the subamendment, amendment as amended and main motion 
as amended, carried. In this connection, see the Journals, March 10, 1948, pages 
240 and 241. In dealing with this proceeding it must be said that, if the amend- 
ment itself was irregular, it logically follows that all subsequent proceedings 
thereon were also irregular. In this regard it would appear that this procedure 
was carried on through an arrangement among and with the consent of all 
parties and cannot be considered as establishing a proper procedure. See 
Hansard, March 8, 1948, pages 1951 and 1952; also Hansard, March 10, 1948, 
page 2080. 

To summarize our procedure, it can be said that no clear precedent con- 
cerning the dividing of a question can be found in our annals and that the 
ancient British procedure set out at page 298 of Bourinot's 4th edition has 
been superseded by another practice in the British House. 

In other words, this would appear to be an unprovided case and ordinarily, 
under such circumstances, reference is made to current procedure in the British 
House. Such action is provided for by virtue of our Standing Order 1, which 
reads as follows: "In all cases not provided for hereafter or by sessional or 
other orders, the usages and customs of the House of Commons of the United 
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as in force at the time shall 
be followed so far as they may be applicable to this House." 

Accordingly, it is my view that the procedure which applies in this case 
is the current procedure used in the British House, one which perhaps has not 
been used too frequently but which nevertheless must be recognized, and if 
it is to be observed on this occasion it would appear that the question of the 
dividing of a complicated motion rests with the Chair. 

In line with the ordinary procedure of our House, any decision in this 
regard would, of course, be subject to an appeal to the House. 

Now, Government Order 44 which is under consideration today reads as 
follows: 

That the Government be authorized to take such steps as may be 
necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying 
the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 21, 
1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and 
white then designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 15th JUNE 431 

white between vertical sections of blue on the edges of the flag and also 
to provide that the Royal Union Flag, generally known as the Union 
Jack, may continue to be flown as a symbol of Canadian membership 
in the Commonwealth of Nations and of our allegiance to the Crown. — 
The Prime Minister. 

Taking into consideration the references and quotations just cited, and 
more especially the view expressed by the Speaker of the British House on 
November 13, 1912, where he said: "Mr. Speaker — the rule of course is if any 
honourable Member feels embarrassed on voting on a resolution that the Chair 
shall revise the resolution in order that the Member may, if he wishes to vote 
"Aye" on the one part, and "No" on the other not be embarrassed by having 
to vote "Aye" or "No" on the whole of it." 

I must come to the conclusion that the motion before the House contains 
two propositions and since strong objections have been made to the effect that 
these two propositions should not be considered together, it is my duty to 
divide them as follows: 

(A) That the government be authorized to take such steps as may 
be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying 
the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 
21, 1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red 
and white then designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field 
of white between vertical sections of blue on the edges of the flag. 

(B) That the government be authorized to take such steps as may 
be necessary to provide that the Royal Union Flag, generally known 
as the Union Jack, may continue to be flown as a symbol of Canadian 
membership in the commonwealth of nations and of our allegiance to 
the Crown. 

Therefore, unless there should be an appeal to the House from my decision, 
and my decision is not sustained, it is my intention to put the question on the 
first part of the motion as divided. 



Whereupon, Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the 
Government be authorized to take such steps as may be necessary to establish 
officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying the emblem proclaimed by 
His Majesty King George V on November 21, 1921 — three maple leaves con- 
joined on one stem — in the colours red and white then designated for Canada, 
the red leaves occupying a field of white between vertical sections of blue 
on the edges of the flag. 

And debate arising thereon; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)'] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Smith, seconded by Mr. Fane, moved, — That, in the opinion of this 
House, the government should give consideration to the advisability of enlarg- 
ing the definition of a disabled person in the Disabled Persons Act, and the 
regulations pursuant thereto, to take into consideration such factors as the 
physical condition, the mental condition and the age of the applicant, and 
other factors which create a condition of permanent unemployability. — (Notice 
of Motion No. 25). 



432 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such steps as may 
be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying the 
emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 21, 1921 — 
three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and white then 
designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white between verti- 
cal sections of blue on the edges of the flag. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted and the following substi- 
tuted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice 
concerning a national flag." 

And the question being proposed; 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.04 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated July 3, 1963, to His Excellency the Governor General for a 
copy of all correspondence and reports on the site of the 1967 World's Fair 
exchanged between the government and the following other governments or 
bodies concerned: (a) International Joint Commission (b) St. Lawrence Sea- 
way Authority (United States and Canada) (c) St. Lawrence River Pilots' 
Association (d) National Harbours Board (e) Canadian National Railways (f) 
Quebec-Hydro (g) City of Verdun (h) Canadian Association for the protection 
of birds (i) Department of Transport (j) Town of Saint Lambert (k) Govern- 
ment of the Province of Quebec (I) Canadian World Exhibition Corporation. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 12). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Address, dated June 10, 1964, to His 
Excellency the Governor General for true copies of the original grants of arms 
for Canada and the Provinces of Ontario and Quebec. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 124). 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 15th JUNE 433 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 25, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams or other documents exchanged 
between the government and any agency or branch thereof, and any other 
person, group or organization, regarding the proposed site, or sites for a post 
office at Margaree Valley, Nova Scotia. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 83). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Civil Service Commission of Canada for the year ended December 31, 1963, 
pursuant to the Civil Service Act, section 76(1) chapter 57, Statutes of Can- 
ada, 1960-61. (English and French). 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
the Industrial Relations and Disputes Investigation Act for the year ended 
March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 68 of the said Act, chapter 152, R.S.C. 1952. 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of 
Wednesday, June 10, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C, 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Trade and 
Commerce for the year ended December 31, 1963, pursuant to section 7 of the 
Department of Trade and Commerce Act, chapter 78, R.S.C, 1952. (English 
and French). 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Fifth Report, pursuant 
to Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

Peter Paul Saunders, Andrew Elliott Saxton, William Crossley Mainwar- 
ing, all of the City of Vancouver, in the Province of British Columbia, and 
many others of different Canadian Provinces, for an Act to incorporate Lauren- 
tide Bank of Canada and/or "Banque Laurentide du Canada", and for other 
purposes. 

The Bell Telephone Company of Canada and/or "La Compagnie de Tele- 
phone Bell du Canada", for an Act to amend its Act of incorporation to provide 
for an increase in the maximum number of its directors from fifteen to twenty. 

The Casualty Company of Canada, for an Act to amend its Act of incor- 
poration authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its business, 
either the name The Casualty Company of Canada and/or "La Casualty, Com- 
pagnie d' Assurance du Canada". 

The Dominion of Canada General Insurance Company for an Act to amend 
its Act of incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction 
of its business, either the name The Dominion of Canada General Insurance 
Company and/or "Dominion of Canada, Compagnie d'Assurance Generate". 

John William Blain, John Barker Lawson, Thomas Albert Boyles and many 
others, all of the City of Toronto, Ontario, for an Act to incorporate World 
Mortgage Corporation, and/or "La Corporation Mondiale d'Hypotheques", and 
for other purposes. 



434 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

At 10.23 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Pennell, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the Second Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following bills and has agreed to report 
them without amendment: 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting The General Accident Assurance Company of 
Canada. 

Bill S-9, An Act respecting Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation. 

Bill S-14, An Act respecting The Dominion Life Assurance Company. 

Bill S-12, An Act respecting Allstate Insurance Company of Canada. 

Mr. Pennell, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the Third Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be authorized to sit while the House 
is sitting. 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-857, dated June 11, 1964, appoint- 
ing D. A. Thompson, Esquire, Q.C., of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Commissioner under 
Part I of the Inquiries Act, to inquire into and report upon problems relating 
to the Trans-Canada Air Lines aircraft overhaul base at Winnipeg, together 
with a copy of a letter to Mr. Thompson, dated June 15, 1964. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Macaluso be substituted for that of Mr. Hahn on the Standing 
Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



436 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Mather be substituted for that of Mr. Scott on the Standing 
Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such 
steps as may be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag 
embodying the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 
21, 1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and 
white then designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white 
between vertical sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice con- 
cerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 and 2 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



Bill S-30, An Act respecting The Dominion of Canada General Insurance 
Company was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-31, An Act respect- 
ing The Casualty Company of Canada; 

Mr. Lachance, seconded by Mr. Forest, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 4 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY 16th JUNE 437 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-37, An Act to amend 
the War Veterans Allowance Act, 1952; 

Mr. Mcintosh, seconded by Mr. Baldwin, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such steps as may 
be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying the 
emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 21, 1921 — 
three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and white then 
designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white between verti- 
cal sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice 
concerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.02 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on 
the Vocational Rehabilitation of Disabled Persons Act, for the year ended 
March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 12 of the said Act, chapter 26, Statutes of 
Canada, 1960-61. 



At 10.07 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 17th JUNE, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Hahn, from the Special Committee on Defence, presented the Third 
Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

1. During the Committee's consideration of Bill C-90, evidence was heard 
respecting the impact of the proposed service reorganization on the manpower 
requirements of the Services and the Department. Information adduced was to 
the effect that the manpower requirements of the Services will drop by ap- 
proximately 10,000 personnel over the next few years. The reduction in civilian 
strength may be considerably less, but no specific figures were available in 
this regard. 

2. It was noted that the largest part of the reduction in strength would 
come from normal attrition. It was also recognized that the Services must main- 
tain a proper balance of age and skills. To achieve this objective, recruiting 
will have to be continued and some personnel will have to be involuntarily 
retired. It was estimated that the latter group might number 2,000 persons, 
in addition to approximately 500 Aircrew who have already been notified of 
their impending release. 

3. Whilst your Committee generally approved the proposed retirement 
benefit set out and printed as Appendix "A" to Committee Proceedings No. 
2, dated May 28, 1964, it further recommends: 

(a) That recruiting be continued to ensure an adequate balance of skills 
for the maintenance of operational efficiency within the Services. 

(b) That, in those ranks, skills and age groups where reductions become 
necessary, every effort be made to ascertain those persons who wish 
to retire. This will assist those persons, who wish to retire, to do so 



440 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

with the benefits to be provided, while at the same time reducing the 
number of involuntary retirements amongst those who wish to remain 
in the Services. 

(c) That guidance or counselling be given, on request, to those being 
retired, so that those who wish to use their benefits for special train- 
ing or education in civilian institutions will be given every help and 
encouragement ; 

(d) That the matter of displaced civilian employees now being studied 
by the Civil Service Commission and Treasury Board be quickly 
resolved, bearing in mind the specialized service rendered and the 
comparative benefits being provided to service Personnel who are 
being involuntarily retired. 



A copy of the Committee's Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence, relating 
to these matters, was tabled with the Committee's Second Report on June 10, 
1964, and is recorded as Appendix No. 3 to the Journals of the House. 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — laid 
before the House, — Copy of a Statement dated June 17, 1964, concerning the 
results of the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development at Geneva. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said Statement be printed 
as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 1,242 — Mr. MacEwan 

1. What was the total amount of contracts awarded by the Aircraft Branch 
of the Department of Defence Production from January 1, 1964, to May 31, 
1964? 

2. To what companies were the contracts awarded and what was the 
amount of same to each company? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 123 was allowed to 
stand at the request of the government. 

Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House copies of all resolutions from Canadian 
municipal authorities received by the Prime Minister since the introduction 
of the proposed resolutions concerning the two flags and the two anthems 
appearing on the Order Paper as items 44 and 45. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 127 — Mr. Pigeon). 

Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a return showing the names and addresses 
of all directors of chartered banks in Canada as of June 11, 1964. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 128 — Mr. Orlikow). 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 17th JUNE 441 

Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he will 
cause to be laid before this House a copy of all letters, telegrams, and docu- 
ments exchanged between the Prime Minister or any Minister acting on his 
behalf and the Premier or any Minister of the Government of Newfoundland 
regarding a flag. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 129 — 
Mr. Pascoe). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
between the Prime Minister's office and the C.B.C. regarding the film project, 
Mr. Pearson, including the letter from Richard Ballentine which may have set 
out the right of the Prime Minister's office to limit or censor the film and the 
letter from Mr. Reeves Hagan to the Prime Minister's office which may have 
re- defined the limits set out in the Ballentine letter. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 130 — Mr. Fisher). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a return showing payments of indemnity 
and allowances under Senate and House of Commons Act since October 1st, 
1963. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 131 — Mr. Cameron 
(Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands) ) . 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such 
steps as may be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag 
embodying the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 
21, 1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and 
white then designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white 
between vertical sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice con- 
cerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Knowles, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That, in the opinion of 
this House, the government should give immediate consideration, in consulta- 
tion with the provinces, to the advisability of filling the major gaps in this 
country's social security program, including medicare, the provision of income 
maintenance during illness, pensions for widows with dependent children, ade- 



442 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

quate survivors' benefits, and retirement pensions, when necessary, at sixty 
years of age, as well as to the advisability of improving legislation already in 
effect, so that Canada's social security system might be as complete and com- 
prehensive as this country's economy now makes possible. — (Notice of Motion 
No. 26). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated April 29, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged between Air Terminal Trans- 
port Limited of Toronto and the Department of Transport, and also any corre- 
spondence between Trans-Canada Air Lines and the Department of Trans- 
port that relates to Air Terminal Transport Limited of Toronto. — (Notice 
of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 102). 

By Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — 
Report on the Activities of the Food and Agricultural Organization of the 
United Nations for the year 1963-64, pursuant to section 3 of the Food and 
Agricultural Organization of the United Nations Act, chapter 122, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French) . 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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No. 87 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 18th JUNE, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House, is 
desired: 

Bill S-32, An Act to incorporate World Mortgage Corporation. — Mr. Wahn. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



The honourable Member for Edmonton-Strathcona (Mr. Nugent), rose 
on a question of privilege concerning an editorial appearing in The Ottawa 
Citizen, of June 17, 1964, and proposed to move that the matter be referred 
to the Standing Committee on Privileges and Elections. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: It is my duty and obligation to find whether or not a prima 
facie case of privilege has been made out, and I wish to thank all honourable 
Members who have spoken for giving me their advice. 

Members may recall that only eight days ago, on Wednesday, June 10, 
I had occasion to give a long dissertation on a question of privilege, and per- 
haps I could refer to a few citations quoted therein. The first was Beauchesne's 
fourth edition, citation 104, paragraph (5), which is as follows: 'As a motion 
taken at the time for matters of privilege is thereby given precedence over the 
prearranged program of public business, the Speaker requires to be satisfied, 
both that there is a prima facie case that a breach of privilege has been com- 
mitted, and also that the matter is being raised at the earliest opportunity." 



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These references are to be found at page 4140 of Hansard and, of course, 
in the original texts. Later on I referred to Abraham and Hawtrey, page 40, 
which says: "To constitute a breach of privilege a statement reflecting on the 
conduct of a Member in his capacity as a Member need not be untrue but it 
must tend to lower the House in the eyes of the public." 

Then again, Bourinot's third edition page 152: "To constitute a breach 
of privilege such libels must concern the character or conduct of Members 
in that capacity." 

In Beauchesne's fourth edition, citation 104, paragraph (2): "It has 
often been laid down that the Speaker's function in ruling on a claim of breach 
of privilege does not extend to deciding the question of substance whether a 
breach of privilege has in fact been committed — a question which can only be 
decided by the House itself." 

Lastly, Abraham and Hawtrey at page 41: "If the Speaker decides that 
the Member has made out a prima facie case, the Member must make some 
motion in reference to the matter. He usually moves that the matter of the com- 
plaint be referred to the committee on privileges . . ." 

I have had the advantage of reading the editorial in question and I have 
a copy in front of me. It seems to me that if this editorial referred in general 
terms to Members of Parliament none of us, I suppose, would be that thin 
skinned that we could not accept some rather healthy criticism, but this edi- 
torial does cite the name of one honourable Member once or twice, together 
with someone who is not a Member. In other words, it focuses attention on 
a certain Member and to that degree in a not very favourable light. 

It seems to me it is my duty to determine whether there is, first of all, 
a prima facie case and whether it has been raised at the earliest opportunity. 
On the second point, this is the earliest opportunity. As to the first point, it 
is for the House to decide whether or not there is a breach of privilege but 
it is for me to decide whether there is a prima facie case, and in my opinion 
there is. 



Whereupon Mr. Nugent, seconded by Mr. Rheaume, moved, — That the edi- 
torial in The Ottawa Citizen of yesterday be referred to the Committee on 
Privileges and Elections so that the editorial writer and/or the editor of the 
paper responsible for this editorial may be given an opportunity to appear 
before that Committee to explain their conduct and for the Committee to 
report back to this House their recommendations as to what action should be 
taken in this regard. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
negatived on the following division: 

Yeas 



Messrs: 



Aiken, 

Alkenbrack, 

Baldwin, 

Beaule, 

Belanger, 

Bell, 

Boutin, 

Cadieu, 

Caouette, 

Chapdelaine, 

Chatterton, 

Churchill, 



Cooper, 

Cote (Chicoutimi), 

Crouse, 

Danforth, 

Diefenbaker, 

Dionne, 

Doucette, 

Enns, 

Fairweather, 

Flemming (Victoria- 

Carleton) , 
Forbes, 



Frenette, 

Gauthier, 

Grafftey, 

Gregoire, 

Gundlock, 

Hales, 

Hamilton, 

Herridge, 

Horner ( Acadia ) , 

Horner 

(The Battlefords), Latulippe 
Howard, Leboe, 



Howe (Wellington- 
Huron) , 
Irvine, 
Jorgenson, 
Kennedy, 
Kindt, 
Korchinski, 
Lamb, 
Langlois, 
Laprise. 



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44 


Lessard 


More, 


Paul, 


Smith, 


(Lac-Saint-Jean), 


Muir (Cape Breton Perron, 


Southam, 


Loney, 


North and 


Peters, 


Starr, 


MacEwan, 


Victoria) , 


Pigeon, 


Stefanson, 


Maclnnis, 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Plourde, 


Stenson, 


MacLean (Queens), 


, Nasserden, 


Pugh, 


Thomas, 


Macquarrie, 


Nesbitt, 


Rapp, 


Thompson, 


MacRae, 


Noble, 


Rheaume, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Mcintosh, 


Nowlan, 


Rondeau, 


Webb, 


Mandziuk, 


Nugent, 


Rynard, 


Weichel, 


Marcoux, 


Olson, 


Simpson, 


Winch, 


Millar, 


Ormiston, 


Slogan, 


Winkler, 


Monteith, 


Pascoe, 


Smallwood, 
Nays 
Messrs: 


Woolliams — 94. 


Armstrong, 


Davis, 


Knowles, 


Nixon, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Deachman, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


O'Keefe, 


Wolfe), 


Deschatelets, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Pearson, 


Badanai, 


Drouin, 


Lamontagne, 


Pennell, 


Barnett, 


Drury, 


Laniel, 


Pickersgill, 


Basford, 


Dube, 


Laverdiere, 


Pilon, 


Batten, 


Dupuis, 


Leblanc, 


Prittie, 


Bechard, 


Emard, 


Lessard 


Prud'homme, 


Benidickson, 


Eudes, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Regan, 


Benson, 


Favreau, 


Lloyd, 


Richard, 


Berger, 


Fisher, 


Loiselle, 


Rinfret, 


Blouin, 


Forest, 


Macdonald, 


Robichaud, 


Boulanger, 


Francis, 


Mackasey, 


Rochon, 


Brewin, 


Gelber, 


MacNaught, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Gendron, 


Mcllraith, 


Rouleau, 


Byrne, 


Gordon, 


McMillan, 


Roxburgh, 


Cadieux, 


Granger, 


McNulty, 


Ryan, 


Cameron (High 


Gray, 


McWilliam, 


Sauve, 


Park), 


Greene, 


Martin (Essex East), Scott, 


Cantin, 


Guay, 


Mather, 


Stewart, 


Cardin, 


Habel, 


Matheson, 


Tardif, 


Car on, 


Hahn, 


Matte, 


Temple, 


Carter, 


Haidasz, 


Mitchell, 


Tremblay, 


Cashin, 


Harley, 


Moreau, 


Tucker, 


Choquette, 


Honey, 


Morison, 


Turner, 


Cowan, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Munro, 


Wahn, 


Crossman, 


Klein, 


Nicholson, 


Walker, 


Cyr, 






Webster— 107. 



Mr. Loiselle, from the Standing Committee on Miscellaneous Private Bills, 
presented the Fourth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-23, an Act to incorporate Seicho- 
No-Ie and has agreed to report it with the following amendments: 
Add new Clause 18 on page 5, 

Application. 18. The provisions of subsection (3) of section 147 of the Com- 
panies Act shall apply to the Corporation. 

Renumber present clause 18 on page 5 as 19. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 2) is 
appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 4 to the Journals). 

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By unanimous consent, on motion of Mr. Benson, seconded by Mr. Davis, 
it was ordered, — That the figures "1965" be substituted for the figures "1964", 
in lines 14 and 16 of the resolution appearing under Government Orders as 
No. 51. 



The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration later this day pursuant to Standing 
Order 21(2): 

That a humble Address be presented to Her Majesty the Queen in the fol- 
lowing words: 

To the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the 

Commons of Canada in Parliament assembled, humbly approach Your 
Majesty, praying that You may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom to be expressed 
as follows: 

An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867. 



Amendment 
as to legisla- 
tion respect- 
ing old age 
pensions. 
30 & 31 Vict., 
c. 3; 9 Eliz. 
II, c. 2. 



Short title 
and citation. 



Whereas the Senate and House of Commons of Canada in Par- 
liament assembled have submitted an Address to Her Majesty pray- 
ing that Her Majesty may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom for the 
enactment of the provisions hereinafter set forth: 

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty, 
by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Tem- 
poral, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by 
the authority of the same, as follows: 

1. Section ninety-four A of the British North America 
Act, 1867 is hereby repealed and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"94A. The Parliament of Canada may make laws 
in relation to old age pensions and supplementary 
benefits, including survivors' and disability benefits 
irrespective of age, but no such law shall affect the 
operation of any law present or future of a provin- 
cial legislature in relation to any such matter." 

2. This Act may be cited as the British North America Act, 
1964, and the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, and this 
Act may be cited together as the British North America Acts, 
1867 to 1964. — The Prime Minister. 



Legislation 
respecting 
old age pen- 
sions and 
supplemen- 
tary benefits. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills, without amendment: 
Bill C-100, An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act. 
Bill C-102, An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 18th JUNE 447 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That a humble Address 
be presented to Her Majesty the Queen in the following words: 

To the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the . 

Commons of Canada in Parliament assembled, humbly approach Your 
Majesty, praying that You may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom to be expressed 
as follows: 

An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867. 

Whereas the Senate and House of Commons of Canada in Par- 
liament assembled have submitted an Address to Her Majesty pray- 
ing that Her Majesty may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom for the 
enactment of the provisions hereinafter set forth: 

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty, 
by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Tem- 
poral, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by 
the authority of the same, as follows: 

Amendment i Section ninety-four A of the British North America 

tion respect- Act, 1867 is hereby repealed and the following substituted 

ing old age therefor: 

30 TsTvtet., Legislation "94A. The Parliament of Canada may make laws 

c. 3; 9 Eiiz. ©kPage p^sn- m relation to old age pensions and supplementary 
sions and benefits, including survivors' and disability benefits 

tai^benefits irrespective of age, but no such law shall affect the 
operation of any law present or future of a provin- 
cial legislature in relation to any such matter." 

and^citauon 2. This Act may be cited as the British North America Act, 

1964, and the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, and this 
Act may be cited together as the British North America Acts, 
1867 to 1964. 

And debate arising thereon; 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Private Bills) 

Mr. Wahn, seconded by Mr. Weichel, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now 
leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee of the Whole on Private 
Bills [pursuant to Standing Order 54(1)]; which was agreed to. 

The following bills were considered in Committee of the Whole, reported 
without amendment, read the third time, and passed. 

Bill S-8, An Act respecting The General Accident Assurance Company of 
Canada. 

Bill S-9, An Act respecting Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation. 

Bill S-14, An Act respecting The Dominion Life Assurance Company. 

Bill S-12, An Act respecting Allstate Insurance Company of Canada. 

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448 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-27, An Act respect- 
ing The Bell Telephone Company of Canada; 

Mr. Brown, seconded by Mr. Matheson, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted at six 
o'clock p.m. 

By unanimous consent, Bill S-28, An Act respecting the Quebec Board of 
Trade, was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on 
Banking and Commerce. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Favreau, — That a humble Address be presented to Her Majesty the Queen 
in the following words: 

To the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the 

Commons of Canada in Parliament assembled, humbly approach Your 
Majesty, praying that You may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom to be expressed 
as follows: 

An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867. 

Whereas the Senate and House of Commons of Canada in Par- 
liament assembled have submitted an Address to Her Majesty pray- 
ing that Her Majesty may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom for the 
enactment of the provisions hereinafter set forth: 

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty, 
by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Tem- 
poral, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by 
the authority of the same, as follows: 
Amendment i Section ninety- four A of the British North America 

tfon° reipect- Act, 1867 is hereby repealed and the following substituted 

ing old age therefor: 

30 & S 3Tvict Legislation «94A. The Parliament of Canada may make laws 

c. 3; 9 Eiiz. old age pen- m relation to old age pensions and supplementary 
n * c ' 2 * sions and benefits, including survivors' and disability benefits 

suppiemen- irrespective of age, but no such law shall affect the 
tary benefits. \ . ° ' 

operation of any law present or future of a provin- 
cial legislature in relation to any such matter." 

Short title 2. This Act may be cited as the British North America Act, 

and citation. ig ^ and the BriUsh North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, and this 

Act may be cited together as the British North America Acts, 

1867 to 1964. 
And debate continuing; 

Mr. Caouette, seconded by Mr. Gauthier proposed in amendment thereto, — 
That the following words be added to article 94A after the words "any such 
matter"; 

"But this amendment to the British North America Act 1867 does apply 
only to those provinces who will ask for it." 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 18th JUNE 449 

And debate arising on a point of order as to the validity of the said amend- 
ment; 

The said debate was interrupted. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That the 
name of Mr. Marcoux be substituted for that of Mr. Olson on the Standing 
Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

18th June, 1964. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Roland A. Ritchie,, 
Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 18th 
June, at 9.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Ritchie, acting 
as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the immediate 
attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 
And being returned; 



Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable 
the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 
His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bills: 

An Act to amend the Farm Credit Act. 

An Act to amend the National Housing Act, 1954. 

An Act to amend the Judges Act and the Exchequer Court Act. 

An Act to amend the Income Tax Act. 

An Act respecting the Payment of Certain Provincial Taxes and Fees by 
Crown Corporations. 



450 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

An Act to amend the Bank Act and the Quebec Savings Banks Act. 

An Act to authorize the Construction and Maintenance of a Bridge across 
the St. Lawrence River between the City of Ste-Foy, in the County of Quebec, 
and the Municipality of St-Nicolas, in the County of Levis, both in the Province 
of Quebec. 

An Act to incorporate Canadian Conference of the Brethren in Christ 
Church. 

An Act respecting The General Accident Assurance Company of Canada. 

An Act respecting Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation. 

An Act respecting Allstate Insurance Company of Canada. 

An Act respecting The Dominion Life Assurance Company. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.13 p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed 
to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated March 25, 1964, for a copy of all letters, briefs or 
memoranda written or presented by any staff association of the Public Service 
of Canada since the 22nd day of April, 1963, to the Prime Minister, the Minister 
of Finance or the Secretary of State or any official of these Departments or the 
Civil Service Commission on the subject of automation in the Public Service of 
Canada, together with any replies thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 73). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated June 10, 
1964, for a copy of the Report submitted by Mr. H. W. Lea, Hydraulic Engineer, 
to the Minister of Transport to review plans for the Trois-Rivieres bridge to 
study certain apprehensions of federal engineers, and to report to the Minister 
whether, in fact the proposed bridge constitutes a danger with regard to ice 
formation, or for navigation, and, if so, to propose the best way to guard against 
such a possibility. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 126). 



At 10.37 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 19th JUNE, 1964. 



11.00 o'clock a.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Nowlan be substituted for that of Mr. Danforth on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Nowlan be substituted for that of Mr. Skoreyko on the Stand- 
ing Committee on Public Accounts. 



The Order being read for resuming debate on the proposed motion of Mr. 
Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That a humble Address be presented to 
Her Majesty the Queen in the following words: 

To the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the 

Commons of Canada in Parliament assembled, humbly approach Your 
Majesty, praying that You may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom to be expressed 
as follows: 

An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867. 

Whereas the Senate and House of Commons of Canada in Par- 
liament assembled have submitted an Address to Her Majesty pray- 
ing that Her Majesty may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom for the 
enactment of the provisions hereinafter set forth: 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Legislation 
respecting 
old age pen- 
sions and 
supplemen- 
tary benefits. 



Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, 
by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Tem- 
poral, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by 
the authority of the same, as follows: 

1. Section ninety-four A of the British North America 
Act, 1867 is hereby repealed and the following substituted 
therefor: 

"94A. The Parliament of Canada may make laws 
in relation to old age pensions and supplementary 
benefits, including survivors' and disability benefits 
irrespective of age, but no such law shall affect the 
operation of any law present or future of a provin- 
cial legislature in relation to any such matter." 

2. This Act may be cited as the British North America Act, 
1964, and the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, and this 
Act may be cited together as the British North America Acts, 
1867 to 1964. 

Whereupon the House resumed consideration of the point of order con- 
cerning the validity of the following, proposed by Mr. Caouette and seconded 
by Mr. Gauthier, — That the following words be added to article 94A after the 
words "any such matter"; 

"But this amendment to the British North America Act 1867 does apply 
only to those provinces who will ask for it." 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment out of order in that it was in 
effect an expanded negative and also that what it proposed was foreign to 
and in contradiction of the proposal in the main motion. 



Amendment 
as to legisla- 
tion respect- 
ing old age 
pensions. 
30 & 31 Vict., 
c. 3; 9 Eliz. 
II, c. 2. 



Short title 
and citation. 



Whereupon the honourable Member for Lapointe (Mr. Gregoire), appealed 
to the House from the decision of the Chair. 

And the question being put by Mr. Speaker: "Shall the decision of the 
Chair be sustained?" — It was decided in the affirmative on the following divi- 
sion: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Brewin, 


Churchill, 


Dube, 


Alkenbrack, 


Brown, 


Clancy, 


Dupuis, 


Armstrong, 


Byrne, 


Cooper, 


Eudes, 


Asselin 


Cadieu, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Fane, 


(Richmond-Wolfe) 


, Cadieux, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Favreau, 


Badanai, 


Cantelon, 


Cowan, 


Forbes, 


Balcer, 


Cantin, 


Ciossman, 


Forest, 


Baldwin, 


Cardiff, 


Crouse, 


Francis, 


Barnett, 


Cardin, 


Cyr, 


Frenette, 


Basford, 


Car on, 


Danforth, 


Gelber, 


Batten, 


Carter, 


Deachman, 


Gendron, 


Bechard, 


Cashin, 


Deschatelets, 


Girouard 


Bell, 


Chapdelaine, 


Diefenbaker, 


Gordon, 


Benson, 


Chatterton, 


Doucett, 


Granger,. 


Berger, 


Choquette, 


Drouin, 


Gray, 


Blouin, 


Chretien, 


Drury, 


Greene, 



A.D. 1964 


FRIDAY, 


19th JUNE 


Groos, 


Lessard (Lake St. 


Munro, 


Guay, 


John) , 


Nasserden, 


Gundlock, 


Lloyd, 


Nicholson, 


Habel, 


Macdonald, 


Nowlan, 


Hahn, 


MacEachen, 


O'Keefe, 


Haidasz, 


MacEwan, 


Olson, 


Hamilton, 


Maclnnis, 


Ormiston, 


Harkness, 


Mackasey, 


Otto, 


Harley, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Pascoe, 


Herridge, 


MacNaught, 


Paul, 


Honey, 


Macquarrie, 


Pearson, 


Horner (Acadia), 


MacRae, 


Pepin, 


Horner 


McBain, 


Peters, 


(The Battlefords) 


, Mcllraith, 


Pickersgill, 


Howard, 


Mcintosh, 


Pigeon, 


Howe (Wellington- 


McMillan, 


Pilon, 


Huron) , 


McWilliam, 


Prittie, 


Jorgenson, 


Madill, 


Prud'homme, 


Kennedy, 


Marcoux, 


Pugh, 


Klein, 


Mather, 


Rapp, 


Knowles, 


Matheson, 


Regan, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Matte, 


Rheaume, 


Korchinski, 


Mitchell, 


Ricard, 


Lachance, 


Monteith, 


Richard, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


More, 


Rinfret, 


Lamb, 


Moreau, 


Robichaud, 


Lamontagne, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Rochon, 


Laverdiere, 


North and 


Rock, 


Leboe, 


Victoria) , 


Rouleau, 




Muir (Lisgar), 


Rynard, 




Nays 




Messrs: 


Beaule, 


Dionne, 


Langlois, 


Belanger, 


Gauthier, 


Latulippe, 


Boutin, 


Gregoire, 


Perron, 



453 



Sauve, 

Scott, 

Simpson, 

Slogan, 

Smallwood, 

Southam, 

Starr, 

Stefanson, 

Stenson, 

Stewart, 

Tardif, 

Temple, 

Thomas, 

Thompson, 

Tremblay, 

Tucker, 

Turner, 

Wahn, 

Walker, 

Watson ( Assiniboia) , 

Watson 

(Chateauguay- 

Huntingdon- 

Laprairie), 
Webb, 
Webster, 
Weichel, 
Winch, 
Winkler, 
Woolliams — 174. 



Plourde, 
Rondeau — 11. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That a humble Address be presented to Her 
Majesty the Queen in the following words: 

To the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the 

Commons of Canada in Parliament assembled, humbly approach Your 
Majesty, praying that You may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom to be expressed 
as follows: 

An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867. 

Whereas the Senate and House of Commons of Canada in Par- 
liament assembled have submitted an Address to Her Majesty pray- 
ing that Her Majesty may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom for the 
enactment of the provisions hereinafter set forth: 



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454 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, 
by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Tem- 
poral, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by 
the authority of the same, as follows: 

Amendment i Section ninety-four A of the British North America 

3.S to l6£riSlci~ 

tion respect- Act, 1867 is hereby repealed and the following substituted 

ing old age therefor: 

?n n / i Q°i n Tr- ♦ Legislation « 9 4A. The Parliament of Canada may make laws 

30 & 31 Vict., respecting . ,. , ,, . j i 

c. 3; 9 Eliz. old age pen- m relation to old age pensions and supplementary 
n > c - 2 - sions and benefits, including survivors' and disability benefits 

tary Pl benefits irrespective of age, but no such law shall affect the 
operation of any law present or future of a provin- 
cial legislature in relation to any such matter." 

Sh ° rt .****« 2. This Act may be cited as the British North America Act, 

1964, and the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, and this 
Act may be cited together as the British North America Acts, 
1867 to 1964. 

And debate continuing; 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, for Mr. Pearson, 
by command of His Excellency the Governor General, laid before the House, — 
Report of the Royal Commission on Health Services, Volume I, (The Honour- 
able Justice Emmett M. Hall, Chairman), dated February 26, 1964. (English 
and French). 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Favreau, — That a humble Address be presented to Her Majesty the Queen 
in the following words: 

To the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty: 

Most Gracious Sovereign: 

We, Your Majesty's most dutiful and loyal subjects, the 

Commons of Canada in Parliament assembled, humbly approach Your 
Majesty, praying that You may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom to be expressed 
as follows: 

An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867. 

Whereas the Senate and House of Commons of Canada in Par- 
liament assembled have submitted an Address to Her Majesty pray- 
ing that Her Majesty may graciously be pleased to cause a measure 
to be laid before the Parliament of the United Kingdom for the 
enactment of the provisions hereinafter set forth: 

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, 
by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Tem- 
poral, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by 
the authority of the same, as follows: 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 19th JUNE 455 

Amendment i Section ninety-four A of the British North America 

tion respect- Act > 1867 is hereby repealed and the following substituted 

ing old age therefor: 

?H si Q°i n Tr- * Legislation "94A. The Parliament of Canada may make laws 

30 & 31 Vict., respecting . , ... , ,, . j i x 

c. 3; 9 Eiiz. D id age pen- in relation to old age pensions and supplementary 
IL c - 2 - sions and benefits, including survivors' and disability benefits 

tary P benefits irrespective of age, but no such law shall affect the 
operation of any law present or future of a provin- 
cial legislature in relation to any such matter." 

Sh ° rt .J itle 2. This Act may be cited as the British North America Act, 

1964, and the British North America Acts, 1867 to 1960, and this 
Act may be cited together as the British North America Acts, 
1867 to 1964. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



On motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, it was ordered, — 
That the said Address be engrossed, and that a Message be sent to the Senate 
informing Their Honours that the House of Commons had passed the fore- 
going Address and requesting Their Honours to unite with this House in the 
said Address by inserting therein the words "Senate and". 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: It is my duty and obligation to give a definite ruling on 
certain incidents which took place in the House this morning. This decision 
could well have been made at the time were it not that such heat had been 
engendered that it did seem preferable to allow a cooling-ofr" period to elapse 
so as to permit honourable Members to look at things rationally. 

As the events to which I refer are still fresh in the minds of each and 
every one of us, I will not go over them again. However, following an answer 
from the Prime Minister the honourable Member for Qu'Appelle (Mr. Ham- 
ilton) stated: "On the basis of the evidence we have, I say that it is not the 
complete truth." 

The Prime Minister objected to the words of the honourable Member for 
Qu'Appelle and asked the Chair to decide that the honourable Member should 
withdraw the words to the effect that he, the Prime Minister, had not stated 
the complete truth. At this point, and later on during the debate which fol- 
lowed, in other words, twice during the debate, and relying on Beauchesne's 
4th edition, citation 145 which states: "It has been formally ruled by Speak- 
ers in Canadian Commons that a statement by an honourable Member respect- 
ing himself and peculiarly within his own knowledge must be accepted — " 

I did then, rightly or wrongly, make a decision that the honourable 
Member for Qu'Appelle should withdraw the words he had used and accept 
the word of the Prime Minister. The actual words I used are as follows: 
"Therefore, in the circumstances, and in view of the discussion, I would 
respectfully ask the honourable Member for Qu'Appelle to withdraw." 

That, evidently, was a decision of the Chair which leads to two conclu- 
sions, and they are as follows. The first conclusion is to be found in Beau- 
chesne's 4th edition, citation 69 and it is: "The Speaker exceeds his authority, 
if, without having been specially instructed by the House, he takes upon 
himself to alter any of his rulings which, once given, are under the exclusive 
control of the House." 

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456 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The second conclusion follows from the same citation and it is that a 
Speaker's ruling, once given, belongs to the House, which, under Standing 
Order 12, is free to reject it. 

Also in the same citation it is mentioned that when a Member has risen 
and announced that he appeals from a ruling, no argument should be brought 
forward to influence the vote about to be given by the House. For the infor- 
mation of the House I wish to refer to Beauchesne's 4th edition, citation 
133, which reads in part as follows: "When the Speaker takes notice of any 
expression as personal and disorderly, and tending to introduce heat and con- 
fusion, and calls upon the offending Member to explain, it is the duty of the 
latter immediately to explain or retract the offensive expressions . . . the 
Speaker's demand usually produces the required explanation, at once; if 
not, the Speaker then repeats the call for explanation, and informs the Mem- 
ber, that if he does not immediately respond to it, it will become the duty 
of the Chair to name him to the House . . ." 

Then the first lines of citation 134, paragraph 1, are as follows: "In case 
a Member persists in using unparliamentary language, the Speaker will be 
compelled to name him, which is equivalent to submitting his conduct to the 
judgment of the House." 

Finally there is a last quotation which I would like to refer to, and it is 
the first lines of paragraph 2 of citation 55 of Beauchesne's 4th edition, 
which read: "The rulings of the Speaker or Chairman must always be 
respected even though the Member against whom they are given may find 
them arbitrary. If he declines to bow-down and does not appeal to the House 
he inevitably places himself in the position of having infringed upon the 
rules of parliamentary practice." 

Having stated what the parliamentary practice is and has been through- 
out the years, I would again ask the honourable Member to accept the Prime 
Minister's word and to withdraw; otherwise the matter will be out of my 
hands and I will ask the House itself to come to a decision. 

And the honourable Member for Qu'Appelle (Honourable Alvin Hamil- 
ton) having stated that "This morning, without any heat in my heart or 
mind I put myself in your hands. Based on the facts before me at that time, 
I felt I was correct in making the statement that I did make, and I am afraid 
I still feel so. Therefore I am still in Your Honour's hands for any action that 
you consider necessary." 

And later — 

Mr. Speaker: May I once more ask the honourable Member for Qu'Ap- 
pelle if he would accept my ruling and withdraw his words. 

Mr. Hamilton: I regret, Mr. Speaker, that the remarks of the Prime Min- 
ister, after your statement here today, simply convince me that my actions 
this morning were sound and correct. 

Mr. Speaker: Mr. Hamilton, with the greatest regret I have to name you 
for disregarding the authority of the Chair. 

And, still later . . . 

Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. Mcllraith, moved, — That the Honourable 
Member for Qu'Appelle be suspended from the service of the House for the 
remainder of today's sitting. 



A.D. 1964 



FRIDAY, 19th JUNE 



457 



And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to on the 
following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Armstrong, 


Drury, 


Macaluso, 


Perron, 


Badanai, 


Ethier, 


Macdonald, 


Pickersgill, 


Barnett, 


Favreau, 


MacEachen, 


Pilon, 


Beaule, 


Forest, 


Mackasey, 


Prittie, 


Berger, 


Francis, 


Mcllraith, 


Prud'homme, 


Blouin, 


Gordon, 


McMillan, 


Regan, 


Boutin, 


Gray, 


McWilliam, 


Robichaud, 


Brown, 


Greene, 


Marcoux, 


Rock, 


Cardin, 


Gregoire, 


Mather, 


Rondeau, 


Caron, 


Habel, 


Matheson, 


Stewart, 


Carter, 


Hahn, 


Matte, 


Tardif, 


Cashin, 


Herridge, 


Mitchell, 


Temple, 


Choquette, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Moreau, 


Thompson, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Knowles, 


Munro, 


Tremblay, 


Cowan, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Nicholson, 


Tucker, 


Crossman, 


Lamontagne, 


O'Keefe, 


Walker, 


Deachman, 


Laverdiere, 


Olson, 


Webster, 


Deschatelets, 


Leboe, 


Otto, 


Winch— 75. 


Drouin, 


Lloyd, 


Pepin, 
Nays 
Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Fane, 


Mandziuk, 


Rapp, 


Baldwin, 


Fisher, 


Monteith, 


Rheaume, 


Bell, 


Forbes, 


More, 


Ricard, 


Cadieu, 


Gundlock, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Rynard, 


Cantelon, 


Horner (Acadia) 


, North and 


Simpson, 


Cardiff, 


Horner (The Battle- Victoria), 


Slogan, 


Churchill, 


fords), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Southam, 


Clancy, 


MacEwan, 


Nasserden, 


Stefanson, 


Cooper, 


MacLean (Queens), Nowlan, 


Stenson, 


Crouse, 


Macquarrie, 


Nugent, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Danforth, 


MacRae, 


Ormiston, 


Webb, 


Diefenbaker, 


McBain, 


Pascoe, 


Weichel, 


Doucett, 


Mcintosh, 


Pugh, 


Winkler, 
Woolliams — 50. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bill to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-34, An Act to incorporate Nova Scotia Savings & Loan Company. — 
Mr. Regan. 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-35, An Act to amend the Corporations and Labour 
Unions Returns Act, to which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



458 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 6 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-40, An Act to amend 
the Broadcasting Act (Community Antenna); 

Mr. Fisher, seconded by Mr. Knowles, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 



And debate arising thereon; 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen pray- 
ing that She may graciously be pleased to give consent to submitting a 
Measure to the Parliament of the United Kingdom to amend the British North 
America Act, 1867, in the manner set forth in the said Address, and have 
inserted in the blank spaces therein the words "Senate and". 



A Message was received from the Senate, as follows: 

Resolved, — That the following Address be engrossed and presented to His 
Excellency the Governor General, namely: 

To His Excellency Governor the Right Honourable Georges P. Vanier, 
Companion of the Distinguished Service Order, upon whom has been conferred 
the Military Cross and the Canadian Forces' Decoration, Governor General and 
Commander-in-Chief of Canada. 

May It Please Your Excellency: 

The Senate of Canada, in Parliament assembled, 

have agreed to an Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty the Queen, praying 
that Her Majesty may be graciously pleased to cause a measure to be laid 
before the Parliament of the United Kingdom in the manner set forth in our 
Joint Address hereto attached and respectfully request that Your Excellency 
will be pleased to transmit the said Address to Her Majesty the Queen. 

Ordered, — That the Clerk do go down to the House of Commons and 
acquaint that House that the Senate have passed an Address to His Excellency 
the Governor General respectfully requesting that His Excellency may be 
pleased to transmit our Joint Address to Her Most Excellent Majesty the 
Queen relative to a measure to be submitted to the Parliament of the United 
Kingdom, and more particularly set forth in the Saint John Address, and request 
the House of Commons to unite with this House in the Address to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General by inserting therein the words "and Commons". 

By leave of the House, on motion of Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. 
Mcllraith, it was resolved, — That this House doth concur in the Address of 
the Senate to His Excellency the Governor General, respectfully requesting 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 19th JUNE 459 

that His Excellency may be pleased to transmit the Joint Address to Her Most 
Excellent Majesty the Queen; 

That the words "and Commons" be inserted in the said Address from the 
Senate; and 

That a Message be sent to the Senate informing Their Honours that this 
House doth unite with the Senate in the said Address. 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Fisher, seconded by 
Mr. Knowles, — That Bill C-40, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act (Com- 
munity Antenna), be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return 
to an Address, dated March 4, 1964, to His Excellency the Governor General 
for a copy of all letters and telegrams between the John Howard Society and 
the Elizabeth Fry Society of Ontario and the Prime Minister and the Minister 
of Justice with respect to the building of the new women's prison at Cornwall, 
Ontario. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 20). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 8, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams or documents ex- 
changed between the Prime Minister or any minister of the government and 
any universities of the Province of Quebec, regarding grants between December 
1962 and March 1, 1964. — {Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 69). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated March 25, 
1964, for a copy of all correspondence, letters, telegrams and other messages 
between the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, the Department of Justice 
and the John Howard Society, the Elizabeth Fry Society about the location of 
the new women's prison in Cornwall, Ontario. — (Notice of Motion for the Pro- 
duction of Papers No. 74). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Return to an Order of the House, dated April 29, 
1964, (Question No. 247) showing: 1. What was the total cost of the Royal 
Commission on (a) Indian Affairs (1946) (b) Japanese Property Losses (1947) 
(c) Veterans' Pensions (1947) (d) Fraser Valley Relief (1948) (e) Prices 
(1948) (/) Government Organization (1960), and (g) the Committee of inquiry 
into the Unemployment Insurance Act (1961)? 

2. What are the costs to date and projected costs of the Royal Commis- 
sion on (a) Health Services (1961) (b) Banking and Finance (1961) (c) Taxa- 
tion (1962) (d) Pilotage (1962)? 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question put 
until Monday next at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 22nd JUNE 461 

No. 89 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, MONDAY, 22nd JUNE, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill S-7, An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act, to 
which the concurrence of this House is desired. 



Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copies of Authentic Texts of a Convention and Recommendations 
adopted by the Forty-seventh Session of the International Labour Conference, 
held in Geneva in June, 1963 (English and French), together with a copy of 
a letter from the Deputy Attorney General of Canada, setting out the legisla- 
tive jurisdiction of these international instruments, as follows: 

Convention No. 119 concerning the Guarding of Machinery; 

Recommendation No. 118 concerning the Guarding of Machinery; and 

Recommendation No. 119 concerning Termination of Employment at the 
Initiative of the Employer. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Muir (Lisgar), Nugent and Pugh by substituted for those 
of Messrs. Stefanson, Horner (Acadia) and Bell on the Standing Committee on 
Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-35, An Act to amend the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns 
Act. — Mr. Sharp. 



462 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The following Notice of Motion having been called was transferred to 
Government Orders for consideration at the next sitting of the House pursuant 
to Standing Order 21(2): 

That the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Colonization be em- 
powered to examine and enquire forthwith into all matters arising out of and 
relating to the difference between the prices received for Feed Grain by the 
producers in the Prairie Provinces of Canada and the price paid by livestock 
feeders in Eastern Canada and British Columbia, and that the evidence adduced 
before this Committee in the Twenty-sixth Parliament be referred to the 
Committee, and that the Committee have leave to receive such evidence as 
part of the said examination. — The Minister of Forestry. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following three Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 707 — Mr. Martineau 

1. What are the Statutes and Acts that are being administered in each case 
by each of the departments of government? 

2. Have there been any changes or transfers from one department to 
another since the 23rd of April 1963 and, if so, what was each change or 
transfer? 

3. What are the names of all Crown corporations or agencies giving, in 
each case, the Minister who is responsible for same in Parliament? 

4. Has there been any change or transfer of responsibility for such Crown 
corporations or agencies since the 23rd of April 1963 and, if so, what are 
such changes or transfers, giving the names of the Ministers involved? 

5. Does the government propose any further changes or transfers of the 
administration of Acts or Statutes from one department to another or from one 
Minister to another? 

6. Does the government propose any changes in regard to Crown corpora- 
tions or agencies of the Minister who is responsible in each case to Parliament 
for such Crown Corporations or agencies? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 867 — Mr. Howard 

What action, in detail, has been taken with respect to each of the following 
recommendations of the Joint Committee of the Senate and House of Com- 
mons on Indian Affairs: 

"(a) Education is the key to the full realization by Indians of self-deter- 
mination and self-government. 

(b) Education of Indian children in schools under the jurisdiction of the 
provinces should be continued and expanded. 

(c) Kindergarten facilities for Indian children should be provided. 

(d) The provincial authorities should be approached to ensure that a more 
comprehensive and accurate account of the Indian people is used and described 
in history courses and texts. 

(e) Agreements should be entered into with provincial authorities to 
extend adult education facilities to Indians with the program expanded. 

(f) Travelling library facilities to Indian communities should be expanded 
wherever possible. 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 22nd JUNE 463 

(g) Academic upgrading and social orientation courses to prepare young 
Indians for placement or specialized training should be greatly expanded. 

(h) Full support and encouragement should be given to formation of Home 
and School or Parent-Teacher Associations. 

(i) The fullest possible encouragement and incentive should be given to 
Indian children to go as far as they can in school. 

(j) In addition to an intensive educational program, the economic oppor- 
tunities and environment of the Indian people should be developed. 

(7c) The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and other agencies should 
prepare factual presentations of the Indians' way of life and their contribution 
to the development of Canada."? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 



No. 1,119 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. How many people has the Canadian Corporation for the 1967 World 
Exhibition hired since February 19th last and how have these new employees 
been assigned to the various services of the Company? 

2. Who are the Corporation's new administrative officers and what are 
their qualifications, salaries and responsibilities as of March 31st, 1964? 

Mr. Pepin, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade and Com- 
merce, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-26, An Act respect- 
ing the Commission established to administer the Roosevelt Campobello Inter- 
national Park; 

Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Tremblay, a Member of the Queen's Privy 
Council, laid before the House, — 

(1) Copy of a letter addressed by the Minister of Justice to Mr. Joseph 
Sedgwick, Q.C., dated June 19, 1964, confirming his appointment as counsel 
to inquire into certain immigration matters. 

(2) Report concerning certain immigration cases. (English and French). 



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[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Notices of Motions) 

Mr. Groos, seconded by Mr. Francis, moved, — That the Standing Com- 
mittee on Veterans Affairs be empowered to consider the particular circum- 
stances of Hong Kong Veterans and to report their opinions and observations 
as to the special measures that could be undertaken to alleviate the disabili- 
ties resulting from the Hong Kong Veterans' internment as prisoners of war. — 
(Notice of Motion No. 27). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.01 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated June 17, 1964, to His Excellency the Governor General for a 
copy of all letters, telegrams, and documents exchanged between the Prime 
Minister or any Minister acting on his behalf and the Premier or any Minister 
of the Government of Newfoundland regarding a flag. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 129). 



At 10.11 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pennell, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the Fourth Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered the following Bills and has agreed to report 
them without amendment: 

Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate Evangeline Savings and Mortgage Com- 
pany. 

Bill S-18, An Act respecting The Montreal Board of Trade. 

Bill S-30, An Act respecting The Dominion of Canada General Insurance 
Company. 

Bill S-31, An Act respecting The Casualty Company of Canada. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Lambert be substituted for that of Mr. Hales on the 
Special Committee on Procedure and Organization. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Lambert be substituted for that of Mr. Nielsen on the Special 
Committee on Defence. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Gregoire be substituted for that of Mr. Beaule on the Standing 
Committee on Public Accounts. 



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Mr. Chretien, seconded by Mr. Cashin, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-104, An Act respecting Canada Day, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.04 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement on 
the Operations of the Civil Service Insurance Act for the year ended March 
31, 1964, pursuant to section 21(2) of the said Act, chapter 49, R.S.C., 1952. 
(English and French). 



At 10.20 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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2.30 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Speaker, presented the Ninth Report of the Special Committee on 
Procedure and Organization, which is as follows: 

1. Your Committee, through its Establishment Sub- Committee, has con- 
sidered some of the problems relating to the fifth item referred to that Sub- 
Committee, namely, "Public Relations (tourists, pamphlets, films, etc.)". 

2. With over half a million visitors last year, Parliament has become a 
major tourist attraction. Visitors to the Building include not only tourists from 
the United States and other countries, but increasingly large numbers of school 
children, university students and other Canadians who wish to see their Parlia- 
ment at first hand and to learn more about how their country is governed. 
Visitor attendance is up sharply this year and there is every indication that 
new records will be set. As the Centennial year approaches, there should be 
a steady increase in interest and in 1967 itself, the number of visitors may be 
expected to pass the one million mark. 

3. Your Committee notes with approval Mr. Speaker's recent action in 
recruiting university students as summer guides to augment the regular pro- 
tective staff. We understand that, for the coming tourist season, 15 students 
from eleven Canadian universities will be so employed on the recommendation 
of the university presidents. It is hoped to expand this program year by year 
to provide representation from most Canadian universities. This should give 
students useful and gainful employment, increase their appreciation of Parlia- 
ment and promote better understanding by providing opportunities for young 
Canadians from all provinces to meet and work with one another. Your Com- 
mittee, therefore, endorses the action already taken and considers that: 

(1) the university guide program instituted by Mr. Speaker should be 
continued, extended and improved so that, by 1967, there would be 
available a corps of trained students representative of all parts of 
Canada. 



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4. Your Committee has also examined the publications and other material 
available to visitors and has reached the conclusion that much more needs to 
be done to inform Canadians and others about Parliament. At present, visitors 
are able to take very little with them as a souvenir of their visit to the House 
of Commons. The only printed matter now distributed free of charge is the Seat- 
ing Plan and this is given only to those visitors entering the galleries. The only 
publication available for sale at present is the small booklet "The Parliament 
of Canada" sold at the entrance to the Peace Tower. Through the Queen's 
Publisher, it is possible to purchase one or two related booklets such as "How 
Parliament Works", by Russell Hopkins, Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel 
of the Senate, and "The Canadian Constitution", by Brigadier W. J. Lawson, 
Judge Advocate General of the Canadian Forces. 

5. Your Committee has consulted with representatives of the Queen's 
Publisher and the Canadian Government Travel Bureau, who agree completely 
with our view that there should be available an adequate selection of attractive, 
informative and well-written booklets and other material of interest to visitors. 
We firmly believe that there should be at least one such item for free distribu- 
tion to visitors and that it should be produced without delay in order to meet 
the requirements of the current tourist season. 

6. In that connection, we understand that, through the good offices of the 
Canadian Government Travel Bureau and the National Film Board, there has 
just been produced a new collection of high quality colour photographs of 
Parliament that could be used to illustrate booklets, post-cards and other 
productions. Because of the short time remaining before the summer visitor 
traffic reaches its peak, we consider that the simplest item that could be pro- 
duced in the available time is a revised and somewhat more colourful version 
of the Seating Plan. We are informed that the present Seating Plan is distrib- 
uted in quantities of only about 100,000 a year since it is restricted to persons 
entering the galleries with limited additional distribution by Members. Your 
Committee is of the opinion that this item — or something like it — should be 
provided to everyone visiting the Building and should also be freely available 
to Members for distribution to constituents and others. This would, of course, 
result in a requirement for much larger quantities, but such quantity produc- 
tion would result in a sharp reduction in the unit cost. It is our considered 
opinion that: 

(2) Mr. Speaker should consider on an urgent basis the desirability of 
publishing an attractively laid out, well-written leaflet along the 
lines of the present bilingual Seating Plan in a quantity of up to 
one million copies to take care of this year's total requirements and 
provide for a good start on the following year. 

7. Your Committee is of the opinion that this first leaflet should be re- 
garded as a beginning only and that: 

(3) Mr. Speaker should consider the desirability of gradually develop- 
ing a series of booklets, post-cards, coloured slides and other simi- 
lar material on Parliament for sale to visitors. 

8. In its discussions with the representatives of the Queen's Publisher, 
your Committee was informed that if it were the wish of the House, the latter 
would be prepared to set up, operate and man a sales desk in the Parliament 
Building along the lines of similar operations elsewhere — e.g. — the National 



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Gallery of Canada. Such a sales desk could stock and sell to visitors material 
falling within the following categories: 

(a) Booklets already available from the Queen's Publisher — e.g. — "Can- 
ada from Sea to Sea", "Statues and Monuments in Ottawa and 
Hull", "Organization of the Government of Canada"; 

(b) Commercially published academic works on the Canadian Parlia- 
ment; 

(c) Pamphlets and booklets specifically commissioned by Mr. Speaker 
or the House; 

(d) Post-cards, slides, maps, etc. 

9. Your Committee is of the opinion that a sales desk of this kind would 
render an important service to the institution of Parliament and would be 
greatly appreciated by visitors to the Building. We do not consider that such 
an activity would be offensive to the dignity of Parliament if it were tastefully 
designed, properly located and efficiently operated. A sales desk has been in 
operation for some years in the entrance to the Palace of Westminster and 
similar activities are commonplace in religious shrines of various faiths, art 
galleries, museums and the like in all parts of the world. The difficulty is in 
situating the sales desk in such a manner as to be readily accessible to tourists 
without, at the same time, adding to the traffic congestion. A counter in the 
basement or in the main entrance lobby would be open to one or another of 
these objections. After considering several alternatives, your Committee is of 
the opinion that a sales desk could be most appropriately established in the 
short corridor on the West side of the Hall of Honour leading into the Reading 
Room. 

10. Your Committee, therefore, suggests that Mr. Speaker consider: 

(4) the desirability of setting up a suitably designed counter along the 
North wall of the corridor leading from the Hall of Honour to the 
Reading Room to be operated as a sales desk for literature and 
other informative material on Parliament. 

11. Your Committee is of the opinion that the adoption by Mr. Speaker of 
the foregoing suggestions would represent first steps that might be taken in 
making the institution of Parliament more meaningful to visitors. We strongly 
urge that Mr. Speaker continue in his efforts to intensify, expand and improve 
the university guide program and the public relations program in co-opera- 
tion with such agencies as the Queen's Publisher, the National Capital Com- 
mission, the Canadian Government Travel Bureau, the National Film Board 
and the National Centennial Administration. We consider that the objective 
should be to have by 1967 a well-trained corps of adequately compensated 
guides and a complete and representative selection of attractive and informa- 
tive literature for distribution or sale to visitors. 



The following bill from the Senate was read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-7, An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act. — Mr. Pickersgill. 



Mr. Knowles for Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Fisher, moved, — That an 
Order of the House do issue for a copy of all government statements and direc- 
tives to government departments during the past year regarding security 
procedures and investigations. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers 
No. 123). 



470 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) stated 
that he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House, — a copy of all letters and communica- 
tions regarding Mrs. Elizabeth McGarvie and Miss Joyce McGarvie who, as 
visitors from the United Kingdom were detained by officials of the Department 
of Immigration at the Winnipeg International Airport on April 3rd, 1964. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 132 — Mr. Baldwin). 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 133 to 136 were 
allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



On motion of Mr. Sauve, seconded by Mr. Tremblay, it was resolved, — 
That the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Colonization be empowered 
to examine and enquire forthwith into all matters arising out of and relating 
to the difference between the prices received for Feed Grain by the producers 
in the Prairie Provinces of Canada and the price paid by livestock feeders in 
Eastern Canada and British Columbia, and that the evidence adduced before 
this Committee in the Twenty-sixth Parliament be referred to the Committee, 
and that the Committee have leave to receive such evidence as part of the said 
examination. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at 
the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Administration of the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act for the 
year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 18 of the said Act, chapter 329, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated June 17, 1964, for a return showing the names 
and addresses of all directors of chartered banks in Canada as of June 11, 
1964. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 128). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Canadian Maritime Commission for the year ended March 31, 1964, pur- 
suant to section 13 of the Canadian Maritime Commission Act, chapter 38, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



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By Mr. Pickersgill, — Capital Budget of the Canadian Overseas Telecom- 
munication Corporation for the year ending March 31, 1965, pursuant to sec- 
tion 80(2) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, 
together with a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-860, dated June 11, 1964, 
approving same. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.30 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 25th JUNE, 1964. 



2.30 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copies of letters addressed by: 

(1) Ross McLean, Producer, C.B.C. Programme "Telescope", dated Sep- 
tember 9, 1963, to Richard O'Hagan, Office of the Prime Minister of 
Canada; 

(2) Richard Ballentine, Intervideo Productions, dated September 23, 1963, 
to the Prime Minister of Canada; 

(3) Reeves Haggan, General Supervisor, Public Affairs, C.B.C, dated 
January 28, 1964, to the Prime Minister of Canada; concerning the 
production of the film "Mr. Pearson — The Man and the Office". 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 25(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)'] 

Item No. 123 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of 
the government. 



474 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

(Private Bills) 

Mr. Ryan, seconded by Mr. Macaluso, moved, — That Mr. Speaker do now 
leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee of the Whole on certain 
bills [pursuant to Standing Order 54(2)]; which was agreed to. 



Bill S-23, An Act to incorporate Seicho-No-Ie, was considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, reported with amendments (as made in the Standing Com- 
mittee on Miscellaneous Private Bills), and considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The following bills were considered in Committee of the Whole, reported 
without amendment, read the third time and passed: 

Bill S-15, An Act to incorporate Evangeline Savings and Mortgage Com- 
pany. 

Bill S-18, An Act respecting The Montreal Board of Trade. 

Bill S-30, An Act respecting The Dominion of Canada General Insurance 
Company. 

Bill S-31, An Act respecting The Casualty Company of Canada. 



Order No. 6 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Brown, seconded 
by Mr. Matheson— That Bill S-27, An Act respecting The Bell Telephone Com- 
pany of Canada, be now read a second time. 

After further debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill S-34, An Act to incor- 
porate Nova Scotia Savings & Loan Company; 

Mr. Regan, seconded by Mr. Hahn, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time and referred to the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 5 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-39, An Act to amend 
the Civil Service Act (Bureaucratic Oppression); 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 25th JUNE 475 



Mr. Mcintosh, seconded by Mr. Rapp, moved, — That the said bill be now- 
read a second time. 



And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The Committee of Supply resumed, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the 
House. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At ten o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of Public 
Works for the year ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 34 of the Public 
Works Act, chapter 228, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Deschatelets, by command of His Excellency the Governor General, 
— Report of Proceedings under the Trans-Canada Highway Act for the year 
ended March 31, 1963, pursuant to section 9 of the said Act, chapter 269, R.S.C., 
1952. (English and French). 



At 10.21 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
11.00 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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11.00 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Pennell, seconded by Mr. McNulty, moved, — That the Third Report 
of the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce presented to the House 
on Tuesday, June 16, 1964, be now concurred in. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 



By unanimous consent, in lieu of the notice of motion concerning pro- 
posed hours of sitting appearing on this day's Order Paper, Mr. Favreau, 
seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — 

That commencing on Monday, June 29, 1964, and thereafter until adjourn- 
ment for a summer recess, the hours of sitting of the House shall be as follows: 
Mondays, Tuesdays — from 2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. and 

and Thursdays from 8.00 p.m. to 10.30 p.m. 

Wednesdays — from 2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. 

Fridays — from 10.30 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. 

That proceedings on an Adjournment Motion, if any, on Mondays, Tues- 
days or Thursdays under provisional Standing Order 3 9 A, shall be deferred 
until 10.30 p.m.; 

That when this House adjourns at 6.00 p.m. on Tuesday, June 30, 1964, it 
shall stand adjourned until Thursday, July 2, 1964, at 2.00 p.m.; and 

That, in relation to the above, the provisions of Standing Orders 2 and 6 
be suspended. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

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The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply, and progress 
having been made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to sit again 
later this day. 



By unanimous consent, the hour for Private Members' Business was sus- 
pended. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 
The following resolution was adopted: 

INTERIM SUPPLY 

Resolved, — That a sum not exceeding $469,308,421.26, being the aggre- 
gate of — 

(a) One-twelfth of the total of all of the Items set forth in the 
Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1965, laid before 
the House of Commons at the present session of Parliament, 
$329,299,209.25; 

(b) an additional one- twelfth of the amount of Agriculture Item 
5, Privy Council Item 25 (Schedule A) of the said Main Estimates, 
$2,259,116.67; 

(c) Four- twelfths of the total of all of the Items in the Supplemen- 
tary Estimates (A), laid before the House of Commons at the present 
session of Parliament, $134,897,245.34; 

(d) an additional seven-twelfths of the amount of Loans, Invest- 
ments and Advances Item L37a (Schedule B) of the Supplementary 
Estimates (A), $2,625,000.00; 

(e) an additional two-twelfths of the amount of Loans, Investments 
and Advances Item L12a (Schedule C) of the Supplementary Estimates 
(A), $227,850,00, 

be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending 31st March, 1965. 
Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That towards making good the Supply granted to Her 
Majesty on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal 
year ending 31st March, 1965, the sum of $469,308,421.26, be granted 
out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of Canada, as set forth in the 
Resolution concurred in this day in the Committee of Supply. 

Resolution to be reported. 



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The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-105, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the 
public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965, which was 
read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Board of Broadcast 
Governors for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to Section 19 of the 
Broadcasting Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1958. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of 
Wednesday, June 24, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 6.08 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until Monday next at two o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, 
June 26, 1964. 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 29th JUNE, 1964. 

2.00 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



The Right Honourable the Prime Minister and other Members of the 
House paid tribute to the memory of the late Gordon Chaplin, Member for 
the Electoral District of Waterloo South. 

Mr. Harley, from the Special Committee on Food and Drugs, presented 
the Third Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to go to Pearl River, 
New York State (U.S.A.), on Tuesday, July 7th, 1964, to visit, at the invitation 
of Cyanamid of Canada Limited, the Lederle Research Laboratories of the 
American Cyanamid Company. 



Mr. Benidickson, seconded by Mr. Deschatelets, moved, — That the House 
do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Ex- 
cellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Coal Production 
Assistance Act to extend until the 31st day of October, 1969, the period during 
which agreements may be made under section 3 of the said Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 

Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. MacNaught, moved, — That the House do 
go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following 
proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the payment of 
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482 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

the ages of 16 and 18 years who are maintained by such parents and are attend- 
ing school or university or are precluded from so attending by reason of dis- 
ability. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 884— Mr. Pigeon 
For each federal electoral constituency, what is the name and address of 
each lawyer and notary, who has acted on behalf of the Department of Justice 
since April 22, 1963? 

Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 



Bill C-105, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money 
for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965, was 
read the second time, considered in Committee of the Whole, and reported 
without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



By unanimous consent, it was agreed that the Order made Friday, June 
26, 1964, respecting the hours of sitting of the House until adjournment for a 
summer recess, be amended to read as follows: 

That commencing on. Monday, June 29, 1964, and thereafter until adjourn- 
ment for a summer recess, the hours of sitting of the House shall be as follows: 

Mondays, Tuesdays — from 2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. and 

and Thursdays . from 8.00 p.m. to 10.30 p.m. 

Wednesdays — from 2.00 p.m. to 6.00 p.m. 

Fridays — from 10.30 a.m. to 6.00 p.m. 

That proceedings on an Adjournment Motion, if any, on Mondays, Tues- 
days or Thursdays under provisional Standing Order 3 9 A, shall be deferred 
until 10.30 p.m.; 

That when this House adjourns on Tuesday, June 30, 1964, it shall stand 
adjourned until Thursday, July 2, 1964, at 2.00 p.m.; and 

That, in relation to the above, the provisions of Standing Orders 2 and 6 
be suspended. 



Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence Act, was considered in 
Committee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the 
Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-101, An Act to 
amend the Export Credits Insurance Act; 

Mr. Sharp, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 29th JUNE 483 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.34 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Statement on 
the Standing and Transactions of the Canadian Forces Superannuation Account 
as at March 31, 1964, together with a Statement of Annuities, Annual Allow- 
ances, Cash Termination Allowances, and Return of Contributions for the year 
ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 26 of the Canadian Forces Superan- 
nuation Act, chapter 21, Statutes of Canada, 1959. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated June 17, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence 
exchanged between the Prime Minister's office and the C.B.C. regarding the 
film project, Mr. Pearson, including the letter from Richard Ballentine which 
may have set out the right of the Prime Minister's office to limit or censor the 
film and the letter from Mr. Reeves Hagan to the Prime Minister's office which 
may have re-defined the limits set out in the Ballentine letter. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 130). 



At 10.40 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 
One public petition was laid upon the Table. 

Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

30th June, 1964. 

Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Ronald Martland, 
Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 
30th June, at 5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 

Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 

The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Fisher be substituted for that of Mr. Cameron (Nanaimo- 
Cowichan-The Islands) , on the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 

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On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Webster be substituted for that of Mr. Howard on the Standing 
Committee on Marine and Fisheries. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, 
— Copy of a letter dated June 26, 1964, addressed by the Prime Minister of 
Canada to all Provincial Premiers, concerning a proposed conference to con- 
sider the Report of the Royal Commission on Health Services. (English and 
French) . 



Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Copy of Agreement between the Parties to the North At- 
lantic Treaty for Co-operation Regarding Atomic Information. (English and 
French). 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had agreed to the amendments made by the House of Commons to Bill 
S-23, An Act to incorporate Seicho-No-Ie, without any amendment. 



Mr. Choquette, seconded by Mr. Matte, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-106, An Act to amend the British North America Act, 1867 (Royal 
Assent, Reservations and Disallowance), which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such 
steps as may be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag 
embodying the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 
21, 1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and 
white then designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white 
between vertical sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice con- 
cerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-105, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums 
of money for the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 
1965. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed Bill C-101, An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance 
Act, without amendment. 



A.D, 1964 TUESDAY, 30th JUNE 487 

A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Martland acting 
as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the immediate 
attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 

Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, with the House, went to the Senate Chamber. 

And being returned; 

Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable the 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, His 
Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to the 
following Bills: 

An Act to incorporate Evangeline Savings and Mortgage Company. 

An Act respecting The Montreal Board of Trade. 

An Act respecting the Commission established to administer the Roosevelt 
Campobello International Park. 

An Act to incorporate Seicho-No-Ie. 

An Act respecting The Dominion of Canada General Insurance Company. 

An Act respecting The Casualty Company of Canada. 

An Act to amend the Export Credits Insurance Act. 

And Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable 
the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
Government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 

"In the name of the Commons I present to Your Honour the following 
Bill: 

'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service, for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965.' 

"To which Bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by Command of the Deputy to His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, and 
assents to this Bill." 

Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such steps as may 
be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying the 
emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 21, 1921 — 
three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and white then 
designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white between verti- 
cal sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

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488 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice 
concerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 
And after some time; 

Debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Choquette be substituted for that of Mr. Rochon on 
the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



On motion of Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Macquarrie be substituted for that of Mr. Nielsen on the 
Standing Committee on External Affairs. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.30 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Benidickson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Dominion Coal Board for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to sec- 
tion 15 of the Dominion Coal Board Act, chapter 86, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Agricultural Products Board for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to 
section 7 of the Agricultural Products Board Act, chapter 4, R.S.C., 1952. (Eng- 
lish and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Activities of the 
Atlantic Development Board for the year ended March 31, 1964, including its 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 30th JUNE 489 

Financial Statements and the Auditor-General's report thereon, pursuant 
to section 19 of the Atlantic Development Board Act, chapter 10, Statutes of 
Canada 1962-63. 

By Mr. Robichaud, — a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report 
of the Fisheries Prices Support Board for the year ended March 31, 1964, 
pursuant to section 7 of the Fisheries Prices Support Act, chapter 120, R.S.C., 
1952. 



At 10.42 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until Thursday 
next at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 2nd JULY, 1964. 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 
One petition was presented in accordance with Standing Order 70(1) 



Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had re- 
ceived from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election and re- 
turn of Mrs. Eloise Jones, Member for the electoral district of Saskatoon. 



CANADA 

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 

To the Clerk of the House of Commons: 

This is to certify that pursuant to a writ dated on the seventh day of May, 
1964, and addressed to Charles T. Fitzpatrick of Saskatoon, in the Province 
of Saskatchewan, for the election of a Member to serve in the House of Com- 
mons of Canada for the electoral district of Saskatoon, in the place and stead 
of Henry Frank Jones, deceased, Eloise Jones, 30 Norman Crescent, Saska- 
toon, housewife, has been returned as elected. 

Given under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this second day of 
July, 1964. 

N. CASTONGUAY (L.S.) 

Chief Electoral Officer. 



492 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had laid 
upon the Table the Tenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, which was read 
as follows: 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that he has examined the 
petition of Mr. Cecil C. Turner and many other persons, allegedly all of the 
Province of British Columbia, with reference to the debate actually in progress 
in the House of Commons, concerning the change of Canada's National 
Flag, filed with the Clerk of the House on June 30, by Mr. H. W. Herridge, 
M.P., and finds that it should not be received. 

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER 

Mr. Speaker: With regard to the report of the Clerk of Petitions I must 
declare that the petition cannot be received for the following reasons: (1) 
It is not addressed to the House of Commons in Parliament Assembled; (2) 
It is not in the form required by Standing Order 70; (3) It does not conclude 
with a prayer — in this connection see Beauchesne's fourth edition, page 256, 
citation 332; (4) It is not endorsed by a Member of the House — see Bourinot's 
fourth edition, page 233 and, (5) It is not dated. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Asselin (Notre-Dame-de-Grace) be substituted for that of 
Mr. Granger on the Special Committee on Defence. 



On motion of Mr. Harley, seconded by Mr. Mitchell, the Third Report 
of the Special Committee on Food and Drugs, presented to the House on 
Monday, June 29, 1964, was concurred in. 



Mr. Cowan, seconded by Mr. Mitchell, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-107, An Act to repeal the Tobacco Restraint Act, which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the 
House. 



Mr. Pearson, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Excel- 
lency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to constitute the Department 
of Forestry and Rural Development to be presided over by a Minister of For- 
estry and Rural Development who shall be appointed under the Great Seal of 
Canada; to authorize the appointment of a Deputy Minister by the Governor 
in Council and of such other officers, clerks and employees, as are necessary 
for the proper conduct of the business of the Department, in the manner author- 
ized by law; and to provide for the transfer of certain members of the staffs 
of the Departments of Forestry and of Agriculture to the new Department. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its 
next sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 2nd JULY 493 

Mr. Sharp for Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the 
House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the 
following proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House by 
His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the revision of 
certain fiscal arrangements with the provinces and to provide adjustments of 
fiscal arrangements and taxation provisions consequential upon the provision of 
youth allowances to parents resident in certain provinces. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its 
next sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole, to consider a 
certain proposed resolution to provide for the payment of Youth Allowances. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the 
payment of allowances of $10 per month to parents in respect of dependent 
youths between the ages of 16 and 18 years who are maintained by such 
parents and are attending school or university or are precluded from so at- 
tending by reason of disability. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Favreau, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-108, An Act to provide for the payment of Youth Allowances, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting 
of the House. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such 
steps as may be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag 
embodying the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 
21, 1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and 
white then designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white 
between vertical sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice con- 
cerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; 



494 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of 
the government. 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Mr. Orlikow, seconded by Mr. Webster, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a copy of all government statements and directives to 
government departments during the past year regarding security procedures 
and investigations. — (Notice of Motion No. 123). 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On Motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Guay be substituted for that of Mr. Leblanc on the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Mitchell be substituted for that of Mr. Brown on the 
Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Stewart be substituted for that of Mr. Richard on the 
Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, seconded by 
Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such steps as may 
be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag embodying the 
emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 21, 1921 — 
three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and white then 
designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white between verti- 
cal sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice con- 
cerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



A.D. 1964 THURDAY, 2nd JULY 495 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.30 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Summary of 
Orders in Council passed during the month of May, 1964. (English and French). 

By Mr. Pearson, — Report of the Board of Trustees of the Queen Elizabeth 
II Canadian Fund to Aid in Research on the Diseases of Children, including 
the Auditor General's Report on the Financial Statements of the Board, 
for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 15 of the Queen 
Elizabeth II Canadian Research Fund Act, chapter 33, Statutes of Canada, 
1959. (English and French). 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Farm Credit Corporation, including its Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant 
to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, Chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 10.40 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 10.30 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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10.30 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mrs. Eloise Jones, Member for the electoral district of Saskatoon, having 
taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took her seat in the House. 



Mr. Granger, from the Standing Committee on Marine and Fisheries, 
presented the Third Report of the said Committee which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-17, An Act respecting the Territorial 
Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada, and has agreed to report it without amend- 
ment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to this Bill 
(Issues Nos. 1 to 5) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 5 to the Journals). 



On motion of Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was 
ordered, — That the Items listed in the Main Estimates and the Supplementary 
Estimates (A) for 1964-65, relating to the Department of External Affairs, 
presented to this House at the present session, be withdrawn from the Com- 
mittee of Supply and referred to the Standing Committee on External Affairs, 
saving always the powers of the Committee of Supply in relation to the voting 
of public monies. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Pearson, 
seconded by Mr. Favreau, — That the Government be authorized to take such 
steps as may be necessary to establish officially as the flag of Canada a flag 



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embodying the emblem proclaimed by His Majesty King George V on November 
21, 1921 — three maple leaves conjoined on one stem — in the colours red and 
white then designated for Canada, the red leaves occupying a field of white 
between vertical sections of blue on the edges of the flag; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Diefenbaker, seconded by Mr. Nowlan, 
in amendment thereto, — That all the words after "That" in line one be deleted 
and the following substituted: 

"As the proposal to change Canada's National Flag will affect the unity 
and destiny of Canada now and for years to come, the government be author- 
ized to take such steps as may be necessary to conduct a plebiscite prior to 
any further action being taken by the House of Commons, in order that all 
Canadians may be given their rightful opportunity to declare their choice con- 
cerning a national flag." 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15(3)~\ 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 6 having been called were allowed to stand at 
the request of the government. 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-42, An Act to 
amend the Canada Elections Act (Age of Voters) ; 

Mr. Scott, seconded by Mr. Barnett, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the National Librarian for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 
13 of the National Library Act, chapter 330, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Teillet, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Army Benevolent Fund Board for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant 
to section 13 of the Army Benevolent Fund Act, chapter 10, R.S.C., 1952, includ- 
ing its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General. 

Eleventh Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that the petition of the 
following, filed after April 1st, 1964, and presented on July 2nd, meets the 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 3rd JULY 499 

requirements of Standing Order 70. However, this petition was not filed within 
the time limit specified by Standing Order 93: 

Interprovincial Pipe Line Company, of the City of Edmonton, in the 
Province of Alberta, for an Act to amend its Act of incorporation to authorize 
the Company to subdivide its shares, and to change their par value, and for 
other purposes. — Mr. Wahn. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House, without question 
put until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 
26, 1964. 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker informed the House that the Clerk of the House had received 
from the Chief Electoral Officer a certificate of the election and return of Mr. 
Carl Legault, Member for the electoral district of Nipissing. 



CANADA 

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ELECTORAL OFFICER 

To the Clerk of the House of Commons: 

This is to certify that pursuant to a writ dated on the seventh day of May, 
1964, and addressed to J. I. Martyn of North Bay, in the Province of Ontario, 
for the election of a Member to serve in the House of Commons of Canada for 
the electoral district of Nipissing, in the place and stead of the Honourable 
Jack Garland, deceased, Carl Legault, 95 Ethel Street, Sturgeon Falls, mer- 
chant, has been returned as elected. 

Given under my hand and seal of office at Ottawa this sixth day of 
July, 1964. 

N. CASTONGUAY, (L.S.) 
Chief Electoral Officer. 

Mr. Carl Legault, Member for the electoral district of Nipissing, having 
taken and subscribed the oath required by law, took his seat in the House. 



Two public petitions were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing 
Order 70(2). 



502 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Byrne, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Prittie be substituted for the name of Mr. Winch on the 
Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following eight Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 874— Mr. Hales 

1. How many employees has the federal government hired in all depart- 
ments in the last 12 months? 

2. How many employees has the federal government hired in Crown 
Corporations in the last 12 months? 

3 How many employees left the government in this period, for the fol- 
lowing reasons: death, retirement, to take other employment, discharged? 

4. How many of those who applied for employment stated that they wish 
to be examined (written and oral) in the French language? 

5. How many of this group were so appointed? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 994 — Mr. Laprise 

1. How much did the federal government contribute toward work carried 
out under federal-provincial programmes in Chapleau County, during the years 

1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 1964? 

2. How much money has been paid or is soon to be paid in respect of each 
of these projects? 

3. Are projects to be carried out under joint programmes in 1964-65 and 
in 1965-66 presently being studied and, if so, what are these projects? 

4. Did the County of Chapleau receive any benefits from joint programmes 
other than those for the execution of works, for example, under the Fitness 
and Amateur Sport Programme, during the years 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963 and 
1964 and, if so, what was the value of benefits in each case? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 996 — Mr. Laprise 

1. In how many shared-cost plans does each of the provinces participate 
at the present time? 

2. What is the nature of the plans and how much has each of the provinces 
received since 1960 or will each receive from the present time to the end of 
1964 with respect to each such plan? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,136 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. To what extent did the federal government participate in work carried 
out in the constituency of Compton-Frontenac under joint programmes in 1960, 

1961, 1962 and 1963? 

2. What amount has been spent or will be spent on each individual project? 

3. What projects under joint programmes are being considered at the 
present time? 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 6th JULY 503 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,162 — Mr. Horner (Jasper-Edson) 

How much money has the Province of Alberta received from the federal 
government in each of the past five years as regards to (a) welfare (b) agri- 
culture (c) forestry? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,251— Mr. Doucett 

1. To date how many persons are employed by the federal Department of 
Industry? 

2. How many persons were transferred to the federal Department of In- 
dustry from other departments of government? 

3. How many additional employees have been engaged other than those 
transferred from other departments of government? 

4. What is the total annual payroll of the Department of Industry? 

5. What are the total costs to the government of the Department of Indus- 
try? 

6. What is the total payroll created by employees engaged other than those 
transferred from other departments of government? 

7. How many offices does the Department of Industry retain in Ottawa and 
how many employees does it have in Ottawa? 

8. How many offices does the Department of Industry retain in each of the 
provinces and how many employees are stationed in each? 

9. Where are these offices located outside of Ottawa? 

10. How many employees are there in the Department of Industry whose 
annual income is under $8,000 and how many employees receive over $8,000? 

11. What are the names and qualifications of all employees in the Depart- 
ment of Industry whose annual income is over $8,000? 

Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,351 — Mr. Horner (Acadia) 

1. What countries have definitely indicated a desire to purchase Canadian 
wheat in this crop year and in the crop year 1964-65? 

2. How many bushels is it expected that each of these countries will pur- 
chase in the 1963-1964 and 1964-1965 crop years? 

3. What will be the total dollar value of sales for each country for each 
of the two years? 

Mr. Sharp, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return to 
the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,373— Mr. Fisher 
What is the salary schedule for teachers in the North engaged by the 
Department of Citizenship and Immigration including the description of the 
grade levels for each salary? 

Mr. Badanai, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



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Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had received a communication 
notifying him that a vacancy had occurred in the representation, namely: 

Gordon Chaplin, Esquire, Member for the Electoral District of Waterloo 
South, by decease; 

And that he had addressed his warrant to the Chief Electoral Officer for 
the issue of a new Writ of Election for the said Electoral District. 



ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF WATERLOO SOUTH 
Dominion ^.Canada j House of Commons 

To the Honourable the Speaker of the House of Commons: 

We, the undersigned, hereby give notice, in pursuance of section ten of the 
House of Commons Act, that a vacancy hath occurred in the representation in 
the House of Commons, for the Electoral District of Waterloo South in the 
Province of Ontario, by reason of the death of Gordon Chaplin, the Member 
therefor. 

Given under Our Hands and Seals, at the City of Ottawa, this Sixth day 
of July, 1964. 

W. M. HOWE (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of Wellington-Huron. 
J. W. MONTEITH (L.S.) 
Member for the Electoral District of Perth. 



Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence Act, was again considered 
in Committee of the Whole and reported without amendment. 

Mr. Hellyer, seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), moved, — That the said 
bill be now read a third time, and do pass. 

And debate arising thereon, the said debate was interrupted. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 

On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Walker, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Berger, Frenette and Blouin be substituted for those of 
Messrs. Matte, Marcoux and Chretien on the Standing Committee on Banking 
and Commerce. 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.30 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 

At 10.48 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of letter dated June 22, 1964 addressed by the Chairmen and 
Presidents of the Canadian National and Canadian Pacific Railways to the Prime 
Minister of Canada and his reply thereto dated June 30, 1964, on the subject 
of wage negotiations between the Railways and their non-operating employees. 

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the said documents be 
printed as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Brown, Cameron (High Park), Choquette, Dube, 
Gray, Lachance, Nixon and Richard be substituted for the names of Messrs. 
Basford, Byrne, Davis, Groos, Haidasz, Ryan, Stewart and Turner on the Stand- 
ing Committee on External Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mrs. Jones be substituted for that of Mr. Nesbitt on the Special 
Committee on Food and Drugs. 



The Order being read for resuming debate on the motion of Mr. Hellyer, 
seconded by Mr. Martin (Essex East), — That Bill C-90, An Act to amend the 
National Defence Act, be now read a third time and do pass; 

And the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to, on divi- 
sion. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time, on division, and passed. 



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The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-108, An Act to 
provide for the payment of Youth Allowances; 

Miss LaMarsh, seconded by Mr. Sharp, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

After debate, the question being put on the said motion, it was agreed to, 
on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, on division, considered 
in Committee of the Whole and reported without amendment. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to consider a certain 
proposed resolution respecting the revision of certain federal-provincial fiscal 
arrangements, and progress having been made and reported, the Committee 
obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Winch be substituted for that of Mr. Scott on the Standing 
Committee on Public Accounts. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.55 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39- A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Operations of the Municipal Development and Loan Board for the year ending 
March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 20 of the Municipal Development and Loan 
Act, chapter 13, Statutes of Canada, 1963, including its Accounts and Financial 
Statements certified by the Auditor General. (English and French). 

Twelfth Report of the Clerk of Petitions, pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that he has examined the 
petition of Mr. Cecil C. Turner and many other persons, allegedly all of the 
Province of British Columbia, with reference to the debate actually in progress 
in the House of Commons, concerning the change of Canada's National Flag, filed 
with the Clerk of the House of Commons on July 6th, by Mr. H. W. Herridge, 
M.P., and finds that the said petition meets the requirements of Standing 
Order 70. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 7th JULY 507 

Thirteenth Report of the Clerk of Petitions pursuant to Standing Order 
70(7): 

The Clerk of Petitions has the honour to report that he has examined the 
petition of Mr. P. J. Walsh, and six other persons, all of the Province of New- 
foundland, with references to the revised estimates of 1962-63; estimates of 
1963-64, particularly Vote 65, and the main estimates of 1964-65, particularly 
Vote 20, and finds that the said petition meets the requirements of Standing 
Order 70. — Mr. Carter. 



At 11.04 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Of motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. McCutcheon be substituted for that of Mr. Forbes on the 
Standing Committee on Agriculture and Colonization. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following two Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 1,172 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. How many Canadian military contingents are serving outside of the 
country? 

2. How many servicemen are in each of these contingents and (a) who are 
their commanding officers (b) where is each contingent stationed (c) how long 
has each contingent been at its station, and (d) how much has Canada spent 
on each of these contingents since it was sent abroad? 

3. What is each contingent's mission? 

4. How many military representatives does Canada have in the diplomatic 
service? 

5. How many Canadian military personnel are studying abroad or are 
abroad under military exchange agreements, and (a) where are they (b) what 
is their mission (c) how much does it cost the government in each case? 

6. Has the government any statistics on the number of Canadians serving 
in the American Armed Forces? 

7. Are there any Canadians serving in the Armed Forces of other nations? 

8. How many exchange or co-operative programmes are there between 
the Canadian Armed Forces and those of other countries? 

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9. Are the Canadian Armed Forces represented in any international or 
inter-service research organizations and, if so (a) what are these organizations, 
(b) what has been Canada's participation in their activities, and (c) how much 
money has been spent in this connection? 

10. How many political science teachers does the Department of National 
Defence employ? 

Mr. Hellyer, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, presented, — Return 
to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,185 — Mr. Latulippe 

1. How many public works projects have been carried out in Compton- 
Frontenac since June 18, 1962? 

2. In each case, what was the nature of the project, who were the ten- 
derers, what was the amount of each tender and, who was awarded the 
contract? 

3. Since June 18, 1962, how many projects were carried out in Compton- 
Frontenac without calling for tenders? 

4. In each case, what was the cost of the project, the nature of the work 
and, by whom was it performed? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, pre- 
sented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers No. 133, 134, 135, and 
139 were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Mr. Martineau, seconded by Mr. Aiken, moved, — That an humble Address 
be presented to His Excellency praying that he will cause to be laid before 
this House the full and unexpurgated version of the film "Mr. Pearson". — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 136). 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Pontiac-Temiscamingue (Mr. Martineau) 
stated that he desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the order 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered. — 
That there be laid before this House copies of letters from citizens in the 
constituency of Lotbiniere and of resolutions by municipal corporations in 
the constituency of Lotbiniere addressed to the Prime Minister or other Cab- 
inet Ministers, protesting the government's decision to terminate the operation 
of the radar station at St. Sylvestre. (Notice of Motion for the Production of 
Papers No. 137 — Mr. Pigeon). 



Mr. Langlois, seconded by Mr. Perron, moved, — That an Order of the 
House do issue for a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, and letters ex- 
changed between the Postmaster-General, his Executive Assistant, his Parlia- 
mentary Secretary, or the Deputy Minister of his Department and the 
Postmaster at Thetford Mines, from January 1st, 1960 to June 30th, 1964. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 138). 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 8th JULY 511 

And the question being proposed; 

The honourable Member for Megantic (Mr. Langlois) stated that he 
desired a debate on the said motion. 

Ordered, — That the said motion be transferred by the Clerk to the Order 
"Notices of Motions (Papers)" pursuant to Standing Order 47. 



Bill S-17, An Act respecting the Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of 
Canada, was considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amend- 
ment, and ordered for a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday. June 26, 1964. 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 9th JULY, 1964. 

2.00 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mr. Knowles be substituted for that of Mr. Cameron 
(Nanaimo-Cowichan-The Islands) on the Standing Committee on External 
Affairs. 



The order being read for the third reading of Bill S-17, An Act respecting 
the Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada; 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the 
said bill be now read the third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of the Whole to consider 
a certain proposed resolution respecting the revision of certain federal-pro- 
vincial fiscal arrangements. 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 



By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Presenting Reports by 
Standing and Special Committees". 



514 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Mr. Pennell, from the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the Fifth Report of the said Committee which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-34, An Act to incorporate Nova 
Scotia Savings and Loan Company, and has agreed to report it without amend- 
ment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to this Bill 
(Issue No. 1) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 6 to the Journals). 



Mr. Pennell, frorn the Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce, 
presented the Sixth Report of the said Committee which is as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-28, An Act respecting The Quebec 
Board of Trade, and has agreed to report it with the following amendments: 

Clause 1 

Amend sub-clause (1) to read: 

"The name of the Corporation, in English, is hereby changed to Board of 
Trade of the District of Quebec, and, in French, to Chambre de Commerce du 
District de Quebec." 

Clause 3 

In line 4, delete the words "metropolitan area" and substitute therefor 
the word "district". 

In paragraph (c), line 16, delete the words "metropolitan area" and 
substitute therefor the word "district". 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to this Bill 
(Issue No. 2) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 7 to the Journals). 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers) ] 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Orlikow, 
seconded by Mr. Webster, — That an Order of the House do issue for a copy 
of all government statements and directives to government departments during 
the past year regarding security procedures and investigations. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 123). 

And debate continuing; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



The House resumed' consideration in Committee of the Whole of a certain 
proposed resolution respecting the revision of certain federal-provincial fiscal 
arrangements and further progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 9th JULY 515 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.35 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Atomic Energy Control Board of Canada for the year ended March 31, 1964, 
pursuant to section 21(1) of the Atomic Energy Control Act, chapter 11, 
R.S.C., 1952 (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, — Report of Defence Construction (1951) Limited, including 
its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for 
the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, — Report of the Canadian Commercial Corporation, including 
its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for 
the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the 
Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Orders in Council P.C. 1964-737 dated May 21, 1964; P.C. 1964-985, dated 
July 2, 1964; and P.C. 1964-996, dated July 7, 1964, all concerning the capital 
sentence of Georges Marcotte. 



At 10.58 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow 
at 10.30 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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10.30 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Richard, from the Standing Committee on Railways, Canals and 
Telegraph Lines, presented the Second Report of the said Committee which is 
as follows: 

Your Committee has considered Bill S-27, An Act respecting The Bell 
Telephone Company of Canada, and has agreed to report it without amendment. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence relating to the said 
Bill (Issue No. 4) is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 8 to the Journals). 

Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the House, — 
Report of the Eastern Canada Farm Survey 1963, dated May 9, 1963. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolutions were adopted (less the amounts voted in Interim 
Supply) : 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (A), 1964-65 

NATIONAL DEFENCE 
Pensions and Other Benefits 
56a To authorize the Governor in Council to prescribe the cir- 
cumstances under which a contributor who, having 

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served in the Forces for ten or more years, is compul- 
sorily retired from the Forces before reaching retire- 
ment age during the period commencing on the 7th 
day of May, 1964, and ending two years thereafter, 
due to a reduction in the total number of members of 
the Forces, shall be deemed, for the purposes of sub- 
section (3) of section 10 of the Canadian Forces 
Superannuation Act, to have served in the Forces for 
twenty or more years $ 1 00 

LOANS, INVESTMENTS AND ADVANCES 

Finance 

L17a To provide for and authorize the purchase out of United 
States dollars paid to Canada, pursuant to the Treaty 
between Canada and the United States of America 
relating to co-operative development of the water 
resources of the Columbia River Basin, together with 
any Protocol or Exchange of Notes relating thereto, 
of such obligations of the Government of the United 
States as may be approved by the Governor in Council, 
and the subsequent disposition of such obligations; 
the amount which may be expended for such purchase 
not to exceed $254,400,000 U.S. notwithstanding that 
this amount may exceed or fall short of the equivalent 
in Canadian dollars, estimated as of May, 1964, 
which is 275,149,500 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Ways and Means. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, That towards making good the Supply granted to Her Majesty 
on account of certain expenses of the public service for the fiscal year ending 
31st March, 1965, the sum of $183,433,000.67, be granted out of the Con- 
solidated Revenue Fund of Canada. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in, and the Committee of 
Ways and Means obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Hays, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-109, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for 
the public service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965, which 
was read the first time. 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 10th JULY 519 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the second time, considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, and ordered for 
a third reading at the next sitting of the House. 

The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolutions were adopted (less the amounts voted in 
Interim Supply) : 

MAIN ESTIMATES 1964-65 

AGRICULTURE 

Research 

5 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 
Canada's fee for membership in the International So- 
ciety for Horticultural Science, an amount of $145,000 
for grants in aid of agricultural research in univer- 
sities and other scientific organizations in Canada 
and the costs of publishing departmental research 
papers as supplements to the "Canadian Entomologist" $24,609,400 00 
10 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 

and Equipment 4,735,000 00 

Production and Marketing 
Administration 

15 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including the 
administration of the Agricultural Stabilization Act, 
and contributions to Agricultural Organizations to as- 
sist in the Marketing of Agricultural Products sub- 
ject to the approval of Treasury Board 2,190,400 00 

Animal and Animal Products 

20 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 
Canada's fee for membership in the International 
Dairy Federation 6,218,300 00 

25 Grants, Contributions and Subsidies in the amounts and 
subject to the terms specified in the sub- vote titles 
listed in the Details of Estimates 10,527,400 00 

Plant and Plant Products 

30 Administration, Operation and Maintenance 5,486,400 00 

35 Grants, Contributions and Subsidies as detailed in the 

Estimates 20,275,800 00 

Health of Animals 

40 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 
Canada's fee for membership in the Office Interna- 
tional des Epizooties, and authority, notwithstand- 
ing the Financial Administration Act, to spend revenue 
received during the year from packers requiring 
special services 11,954,900 00 

45 Grants, Contributions and Subsidies as detailed in the 

Estimates 1,465,000 00 

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Board of Grain Commissioners 

50 Administration, Operation and Maintenance including 

authority to purchase screenings 6,759,700 00 

Land Rehabilitation, Irrigation and Water Storage Projects 

Irrigation and Water Storage Projects in the Western 
Provinces including the South Saskatchewan River 
Project, the Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act Program, 
Land Protection, Reclamation and Development, the 
Maritime Marshland Rehabilitation Act Program and 
the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development Act 
Program — 
55 Administration, Operation and Maintenance . . . . 9,317,600 00 

60 Construction or Acquisition of Buildings, Works, Land 

and Equipment 21,146,000 00 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (A) 1964-65 

AGRICULTURE 

Production and Marketing 
Administration 

17a Subsidies for Cold Storage Warehouses under the Cold 

Storage Act 50,000 00 

Animal and Animal Products 

25a Grants, Contributions and Subsidies in the amounts and 
subject to the terms specified in the sub vote titles 
listed in the Details of Estimates 387,177 00 

Plant and Plant Products 

35a Grants, Contributions and Subsidies as detailed in the 

Estimates 3,200 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again later this day. 



By unanimous consent, the House resolved itself again into Committee of 
Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolutions were adopted (less the amounts voted in 
Interim Supply) : 

MAIN ESTIMATES, 1964-65 

AGRICULTURE 

Land Rehabilitation, Irrigation and Water Storage Projects 

Irrigation and Water Storage Projects in the Western 
Provinces including the South Saskatchewan River 



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Project, the Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act Program, 

Land Protection, Reclamation and Development, the 

Maritime Marshland Rehabilitation Act Program and 

the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development Act 

Program — 

65 Payments in respect of projects and programs under 

the Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development 

Act, and payments to Provinces pursuant to 

agreements entered into under that Act .. ..$ 12,000,000 00 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (A), 1964-65 

AGRICULTURE 
Administration 

la Departmental Administration 53,000 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



[Private Members' Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 3 having been called were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 

The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-21, An Act 
respecting Genocide; 

Mr. Klein, seconded by Mr. Walker, moved, — That the said bill be now 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 

It was ordered, — That the said bill retain its position on the Order Paper. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House, without question 
put until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 
26, 1964. 



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2.00 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Copies of letters received by the Prime Minister of Canada 
from the Premiers of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, Nova Scotia and 
Quebec, dated between July 3 and July 7, 1964, concerning a proposed con- 
ference to consider the Report of the Royal Commission on Health Services. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Legault and Leblanc be substituted for those of Messrs. 
Basford and McNulty on the Standing Committee on Public Accounts. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Legault be substituted for that of Mr. Rideout on the Standing 
Committee on Veterans Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Kelly be substituted for that of Mr. Guay on the Standing 
Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Miss Jewett be substituted for that of Mr. Rideout on the Standing 
Committee on Industrial Relations. 



524 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Leblanc be substituted for that of Mr. Emard on the Standing 
Committee on Railways, Canals and Telegraph Lines. 



Mr. MacNaught for Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — 
That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting 
to consider the following proposed resolution which has been recommended to 
the House by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Judges Act 
to authorize the provision of salaries for seven additional judges as follows: 

(a) three judges of the Superior Court of Quebec; 

(b) one justice of Appeal of the Supreme Court of Alberta; 

(c) two Ontario county court judges; and 

(d) one British Columbia county court judge. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



Mr. MacNaught for Mr. Laing, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That 
the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider 
the following proposed resolution which has been recommended to the House 
by His Excellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the National Parks 
Act to authorize the Governor in Council to add from time to time Crown 
owned lands to existing National Parks; to provide new legal descriptions for 
certain National Parks and in the case of Waterton Lakes and Prince Albert 
National Parks to provide for the withdrawal of small tracts of land no longer 
required for park purposes; to provide for certain additions to Mount Revel- 
stoke Park, to Riding Mountain Park and to Georgian Bay Islands Park; to 
provide also that the Governor in Council may set aside as a National 
Park of Canada, lands in the area of Kejimkujik Lake in the Province of 
Nova Scotia and the conditions therefor; and further to make certain changes 
in connection with the administration of the Act. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — 
That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee 
of the Whole forthwith to consider the following proposed resolution which has 
been recommended to the House by His Excellency: 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to facilitate the making of 
loans to students at a post-secondary school level by providing for payment 
out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, to a bank making such a loan, of interest 
thereon accruing while the borrower continues to be a student and for a 
period of six months thereafter and by guaranteeing payment of the principal 
amount of the loan and of interest thereon accruing after the expiration of that 
period; to provide for the authorization of loans in any province by a 
provincial authority designated for that purpose and for the making of com- 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY 13th JULY 525 

pensatory payments out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund to any province 
having its own plan of student loans, that does not designate a provincial 
authority for the purpose of authorizing loans in that province under the 
said measure; and to provide further for the payment out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of certain costs of administration and for other related or 
incidental matters. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole forthwith to 
consider the said proposed resolution. 

Accordingly, the House resolved itself into Committee of the Whole to con- 
sider the said proposed resolution. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to facilitate the 
making of loans to students at a post-secondary school level by providing for 
payment out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, to a bank making such a loan, 
of interest thereon accruing while the borrower continues to be a student and 
for a period of six months thereafter and by guaranteeing payment of the prin- 
cipal amount of the loan and of interest thereon accruing after the expiration 
of that period; to provide for the authorization of loans in any province by a 
provincial authority designated for that purpose and for the making of com- 
pensatory payments out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund to any province 
having its own plan of student loans, that does not designate a provincial 
authority for the purpose of authorizing loans in that province under the 
said measure; and to provide further for the payment out of the Consolidated 
Revenue Fund of certain costs of administration and for other related or inci- 
dental matters. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-110, An Act to facilitate the making of loans to students, which was read 
the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, moved, — That the House do go 
into Committee of the Whole at its next sitting to consider the following pro- 
posed resolution which has been recommended to the House by His Ex- 
cellency: — 

That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Farm Improve- 
ment Loans Act to increase from $7,500 to $15,000 the maximum amount of 
any loan that may be made under the Act to a borrower together with any 
amount owing in respect of other guaranteed farm improvement loans, to 
increase from $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 the aggregate principal amount 
of guaranteed loans that may be made in the three year loan period ending 
June 30, 1965, to provide for a further three year loan period ending June 30, 
1968, and to provide that the aggregate principal amount of guaranteed loans 
that may be made in that period shall not exceed $700,000,000. 

Resolved, — That the House do go into Committee of the Whole at its next 
sitting to consider the said proposed resolution. 



526 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-109, An Act for 
granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service for the 
financial year ending the 31st March, 1965; 

Mr. Mcllraith, seconded by Mr. Gordon, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a third time and do pass. 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to, on division. 

Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time, on division, and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of the Whole to consider 
a certain proposed resolution respecting the revision of certain federal-provin- 
cial fiscal arrangements. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to provide for the 
revision of certain fiscal arrangements with the provinces and to provide adjust- 
ments of fiscal arrangements and taxation provisions consequential upon the 
provision of youth allowances to parents resident in certain provinces. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Hellyer, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-lll, An Act to provide for the revision of certain fiscal arrangements 
with the provinces and to provide adjustments of fiscal arrangements and taxa- 
tion provisions consequential upon the provision of youth allowances to parents 
resident in certain provinces, which was read the first time and ordered for a 
second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



By unanimous consent, the House resolved itself into Committee of the 
Whole on a certain proposed resolution to amend the Judges Act. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolution was adopted: 

Resolved, — That it is expedient to introduce a measure to amend the Judges 
Act to authorize the provision of salaries for seven additional judges as follows: 

(a) three judges of the Superior Court of Quebec; 

(b) one justice of Appeal of the Supreme Court of Alberta; 

(c) two Ontario county court judges; and 

(d) one British Columbia county court judge. 

Resolution to be reported. 



The said resolution was reported and concurred in. 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 13th JULY 527 

Mr. Favreau, seconded by Mr. Pickersgill, by leave of the House, presented 
Bill C-112, An Act to amend the Judges Act, which was read the first time and 
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.32 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Atomic 
Energy of Canada Limited, including its Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant 
to sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Mcllraith, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copies of 
Statutory Orders and Regulations published in the Canada Gazette, Part II of 
Wednesday, July 8, 1964, pursuant to section 7 of the Regulations Act, chapter 
235, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 11.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 14th JULY, 1964. 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Martin (Essex East), a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid 
before the House, — Memorandum of the Government of the U.S.S.R. Regarding 
certain Measures to Strengthen the Effectiveness of the United Nations in the 
Safeguarding of International Peace and Security, dated July 10, 1964. (English 
and French). 



The Order being read for the second reading of Bill C-110, An Act to facili- 
tate the making of loans to students; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Favreau, moved, — That the said bill be now- 
read a second time. 

And debate arising thereon; the said debate was interrupted. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.31 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Deschatelets, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the National Capital Commission, Part I, for the year ended March 31, 1964, 



530 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

pursuant to section 85(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Cana- 
dian Arsenals Limited, including its Accounts and Financial Statements certi- 
fied by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to 
sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, 
R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Miss LaMarsh, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on the 
Operation of Agreements with the Provinces under the Hospital Insurance and 
Diagnostic Services Act, for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 
9 of the said Act, chapter 28, Statutes of Canada, 1957. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Address, dated March 11, 1964, to His Excellency the Governor General for 
copies of any letters, telegrams, documents or other communications exchanged 
between the Minister of Agriculture, the employees of his Department or the 
Agricultural Rehabilitation and Development Administration (ARDA) and the 
ministers, employees or representatives of the Quebec Government on any mat- 
ter relating to ARDA since the beginning of that program. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 70). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Report of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, 
including its Accounts and Financial Statements certified by the Auditor Gen- 
eral, for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 36 of the Broad- 
casting Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1958, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) 
of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Report of the Canada Council, including the Auditor 
General's Report on the Financial Statements of the Council, for the year ended 
March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 23 of the Canada Council Act, chapter 3, 
Statutes of Canada, 1957. (English and French). 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Report of the Centennial Commission, including the 
report of the Auditor General on the Financial Statements of the Commission, 
for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 16 of the Centen- 
nial of Canadian Confederation Act, chapter 36, Statutes of Canada, 1963. (Eng- 
lish and French). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
Canadian Overseas Telecommunication Corporation, including its Accounts and 
Financial Statements certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 
31, 1964, pursuant to sections 22 and 23(1) of the Canadian Overseas Tele- 
communication Corporation Act, chapter 42, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of 
the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and 
French). 



At 10.38 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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No. 105 

JOURNALS 

OF THE 

HOUSE OF COMMONS 

OF CANADA 



OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 15th JULY, 1964. 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 
Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mrs. Jones be substituted for that of Mr. Fleming (Okanagan- 
Revelstoke) on the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the name of Mrs. Jones be substituted for that of Mr. Chaplin on the 
Standing Committee on Banking and Commerce. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Horner (Acadia), Stenson and Danforth be sub- 
stituted for those of Messrs. Ricard, Chaplin and Valade on the Standing Com- 
mittee on Public Accounts. 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — 
That the names of Messrs. Clancy and Korchinski be substituted for those of 
Messrs. Nasserden and Cadieu (Meadow Lake) on the Standing Committee on 
Agriculture. 



By unanimous consent, Mr. Cardin, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, 
laid before the House, — Copy of Adjutant-General Instruction 63/8 — Bilingual 
(English and French Language) Qualifications, dated December 11, 1963. 



532 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 133, 134 and 135 
were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of a letter from Mrs. J. Leveridge, 
R.R. No. 2, Brighton, Ontario to the Prime Minister regarding the Three- 
Maple-Leaf Flag and the copy of the reply thereto. — (Notice of Motion for 
the Production of Papers No. 140 — Mr. Millar). 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Favreau, — That Bill C-110, an Act to facilitate the making of loans 
to students be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; the said debate was interrupted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Drury, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of Crown 
Assets Disposal Corporation, including its Accounts and Financial Statements 
certified by the Auditor General, for the year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant 
to section 14 of the Surplus Crown Assets Act, chapter 260, and sections 85(3) 
and 87(3) of the Financial Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952 (Eng- 
lish and French). 

By Mr. Hays, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report on Prairie 
Farm Rehabilitation and Related Activities, for the year ended March 31, 

1963, pursuant to section 12 of the Prairie Farm Rehabilitation Act, chapter 
214, R.S.C., 1952. 

By Mr. Hays, — Report of the Agricultural Stabilization Board for the 
year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 14 of the Agricultural Stabiliza- 
tion Act, chapter 22, Statutes of Canada, 1957-58. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of the 
Northern Canada Power Commission, including its Accounts and Financial 
Statements certified by the Auditor General for the year ended March 31, 

1964, pursuant to section 24 of the Northern Canada Power Commission Act, 
chapter 196, as amended 1956, and sections 85(3) and 87(3) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 

By Mr. Laing, — Capital Budget of the Northern Canada Power Commission 
for the year ending March 31, 1965, pursuant to section 80(2) of the Financial 
Administration Act, chapter 116, R.S.C., 1952, together with a copy of Order 
in Council P.C. 1964-992, dated July 3, 1964, approving same. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return 
to an Order of the House, dated April 22, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
telegrams and other documents exchanged between the government or any 
agency or branch thereof and any person, group or organization relating to 
the government docks at Haileybury, Ontario. — (Notice of Motion for the 
Production of Papers No. 103). 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 15th JULY 533 

By Mr. Lamontagne, — Report of the Economic Council of Canada, includ- 
ing its Financial Statement, the Financial Statement of the National Produc- 
tivity Council and the Auditor General's Reports on both Statements for the 
fiscal year ended March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 20(1) of the Economic 
Council of Canada Act, chapter 11, Statutes of Canada, 1963. (English and 
French) . 

By Mr. MacEachen, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report of 
the Technical and Vocational Training Assistance Act for the year ended 
March 31, 1964, pursuant to section 13 of the said Act, chapter 6, Statutes 
of Canada, 1960-61. 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 16th JULY, 1964. 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Aiken be substituted for that of Mrs. Casselman on the Stand- 
ing Committee on External Affairs. 



The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Favreau, — That Bill C-110, An Act to facilitate the making of loans to 
students, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Plourde, moved in amendment thereto, — 
That Bill C-110 be not now read a second time, but that it be resolved that in 
the opinion of this House the government should consider the advisability of 
presenting new legislation which would authorize the Bank of Canada to supply 
to the Provinces the necessary credits to permit them to fulfil completely their 
responsibilities in the field of education. 

And debate arising thereon; 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that Bill 
C-109, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following bills, without amendment: 
Bill C-90, An Act to amend the National Defence Act. 
Bill C-108, An Act to provide for the payment of Youth Allowances. 



536 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

{At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members' Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 25(3)] 

(Private Bills) 

Bill S-34, An Act to incorporate Nova Scotia Savings & Loan Company, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, reported without amendment, read the 
third time and passed. 



Bill S-28, An Act respecting The Quebec Board of Trade, was considered 
in Committee of the Whole, reported with amendments (as made in the Stand- 
ing Committee on Banking and Commerce) and considered as amended. 

By unanimous consent, the said bill was read the third time, on division, 
and passed. 



Mr. Speaker communicated to the House the following letter: 

GOVERNMENT HOUSE 
OTTAWA 

16th July, 1964. 
Sir, 

I have the honour to inform you that the Honourable Roland A. Ritchie, 
Puisne Judge of the Supreme Court of Canada, acting as Deputy to His Excel- 
lency the Governor General, will proceed to the Senate Chamber today, the 16th 
July, at 5.45 p.m., for the purpose of giving Royal Assent to certain Bills. 

I have the honour to be, 

Sir, 
Your obedient servant, 

A. G. CHERRIER, 
Assistant Secretary to the Governor General. 
The Honourable, 

The Speaker of the House of Commons. 



Bill S-27, An Act respecting The Bell Telephone Company of Canada, was 
considered in Committee of the Whole, and progress having been made and 
reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting 
of the House. 



A Message was received from the Honourable Mr. Justice Ritchie, acting 
as Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General, desiring the immediate 
attendance of the House in the Senate Chamber. 



Accordingly, Mr. Speaker with the House went to the Senate Chamber. 
And being returned; 



Mr. Speaker reported that, when the House did attend the Honourable the 
Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General in the Senate Chamber, 



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537 



His Honour was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to 
the following bills: 

An Act respecting the Territorial Sea and Fishing Zones of Canada. 

An Act to amend the National Defence Act. 

An Act to provide for the payment of Youth Allowances. 



And Mr. Speaker informed the House that he had addressed the Honourable 
the Deputy to His Excellency the Governor General as follows: 

"May It Please Your Honour: 

"The Commons of Canada have voted Supplies required to enable the 
Government to defray certain expenses of the public service. 



BiU: 



"In the name of the Commons I present to Your Honour the following 



'An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public 
service, for the financial year ending the 31st March, 1965.' 

"To which Bill I humbly request Your Honour's Assent." 

Whereupon, the Clerk of the Senate, by Command of the Deputy to His 
Excellency the Governor General, did say: 

"In Her Majesty's name, the Honourable the Deputy to His Excellency 
the Governor General thanks Her Loyal Subjects, accepts their benevolence, 
and assents to this Bill." 



Debate was resumed on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded by 
Mr. Favreau, — That Bill C-110, An Act to facilitate the making of loans to 
students, be now read a second time; 

And on the proposed motion of Mr. Gauthier, seconded by Mr. Plourde, 
in amendment thereto, — That Bill C-110 be not now read a second time, but 
that it be resolved that in the opinion of this House the government should 
consider the advisability of presenting new legislation which would authorize 
the Bank of Canada to supply to the Provinces the necessary credits to permit 
them to fulfil completely their responsibilities in the field of education. 

After further debate; the question being put on the said proposed amend- 
ment; it was negatived on the following division: 







Yeas 








Messrs: 




Beaule, 

Belanger, 

Boutin, 


Caouette, 

Dionne, 

Gauthier, 


Gregoire, 
Langlois, 
Laprise, 

Nays 
Messrs: 


Latulippe, 
Perron, 
Plourde, 
Rondeau — 13 


Aiken, 
Aikenbrack, 
Balcer, 
Barnett, 


Basford, 
Batten, 
Bechard, 
Beer, 


Benson, 
Berger, 
Bigg, 
Blouin, 


Boulanger, 
Brown, 
Byrne, 
Cadieux, 



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13 ELIZABETH II 



Cameron (High 


Gundlock, 


Martineau, 


Rochon, 


Park), 


Hahn, 


Matheson, 


Rock, 


Cantelon, 


Hales, 


Monteith, 


Rouleau, 


Cantin, 


Harley, 


Moore, 


Ryan, 


Cardin, 


Herridge, 


More, 


Rynard, 


Carter, 


Honey, 


Moreau, 


Simpson, 


Churchill, 


Horner (The Battle- 


Morison, 


Skoreyko, 


Cooper, 


fords), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Slogan, 


Cote (Chicoutimi), 


Irvine, 


North and 


Smallwood, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Jewett (Miss), 


Victoria), 


Starr, 


Cowan, 


Kelly, 


Mullally, 


Stewart, 


Crossman, 


Kennedy, 


Nesbitt, 


Tardif, 


Crouse, 


Kindt, 


Nicholson, 


Temple, 


Cyr, 


Knowles, 


Nielsen, 


Thomas, 


Danforth, 


Korchinski, 


Nowlan, 


Thompson, 


Davis, 


Laing, 


O'Keefe, 


Tremblay, 


Deachman, 


Lambert, 


Orlikow, 


Tucker, 


Dinsdale, 


Laniel, 


Ormiston, 


Turner, 


Doucett, 


Leboe, 


Otto, 


Vincent, 


Douglas, 


Legault, 


Pascoe, 


Wahn, 


Drouin, 


Lessard 


Patterson, 


Walker, 


Drury, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Paul, 


Watson (Assiniboia), 


Ethier, 


Macdonald, 


Pennell, 


Watson (Chateau- 


Fairweather, 


Mackasey, 


Pickersgill, 


guay-Huntingdon- 


Fane, 


MacNaught, 


Pigeon, 


Laprairie), 


Favreau, 


Mcintosh, 


Pilon, 


Webb, 


Fisher, 


McLean (Charlotte), 


Prittie, 


Webster, 


Forest, 


McMillan, 


Pugh, 


Weichel, 


Francis, 


McNulty, 


Rapp, 


Whelan, 


Gelber, 


Madill, 


Ricard, 


Winch, 


Gordon, 


Martin (Essex East), 


Robichaud, 


Winkler, 


Gray, 






Woolliams— 135. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.58 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated July 15, 1964, for a copy of a letter from Mrs. J. 
Leveridge, R.R. No. 2, Brighton, Ontario to the Prime Minister regarding the 
Three-Maple-Leaf Flag and the copy of the reply thereto. — (Notice of Motion 
for the Production of Papers No. 140). 

By the Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills, — Sixth Report, pursuant to 
Standing Order 100(2), as follows: 

The Examiner of Petitions for Private Bills has the honour to report that 
the following petitioners have complied with the requirements of Standing 
Order 96: 

The Guarantee Company of North America, for an Act to amend its Act 
of Incorporation authorizing the Company to use, in the transaction of its busi- 



A.D. 1964 THURSDAY, 16th JULY 539 

ness, either the name "The Guarantee Company of North America" and/or 
"La Garantie compagnie d'assurances de l'Amerique du Nord". 

Stan Reesor Kaufman, Eric Sherwood, Isaac Sheldon, and many others all 
of the city of Edmonton, in the Province of Alberta, for an Act to incorporate 
Meota Pipe Lines Ltd., and for other purposes. 



At 11.17 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
10.30 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 17th JULY, 1964. 



10.30 o'clock a.m. 



Prayers. 



By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That the text of the Final Com- 
munique on the Meeting of Commonwealth Prime Ministers dated July 15, 
1964, be printed as an appendix to this day's Hansard. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply and progress 
having been made and reported the Committee obtained leave to sit again later 
this day. 



By unanimous consent, the operation of Standing Order 15(3) with respect 
to consideration of Private Members' Business was deferred until later in this 
sitting. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply. 

(In the Committee) 

The following resolutions were adopted (less amounts voted in Interim 
Supply) : 

MAIN ESTIMATES, 1964-65 

POST OFFICE 

1 Postal Services including Canada's share of the upkeep of 

the International Bureaux at Berne and Montevideo $208,861,000 00 

20222—35 



542 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (A), 1964-65 
POST OFFICE 

la Postal Services 804,800 00 

Resolutions to be reported. 



The said resolutions were reported and concurred in, and the Committee 
of Supply obtained leave to sit again at the next sitting of the House. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following Bill to which the concurrence of this House is 
desired: 

Bill S-37, An Act respecting The Guarantee Company of North America. — 
Mr. Watson (Chateauguay-Huntingdon-Laprairie). 

The said bill was deemed to have been read the first time and ordered for 
a second reading at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 
103(2). 

(Private Members' Business was called) 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 3 having been called were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Klein, seconded by Mr. 
Walker, that Bill C-21, An Act respecting Genocide, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

It was ordered, — That the said bill retain its position on the Order Paper. 



At six o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House, without question 
put until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 
26, 1964. 



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No. 108 

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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 20th JULY, 1964. 

2.00 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Byrne, it was ordered, — That 
the names of Messrs. Loney and Noble be substituted for those of Messrs. Nu- 
gent and Macquarrie on the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 

The House resumed debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Gordon, seconded 
by Mr. Favreau, — That Bill C-110, An Act to facilitate the making of loans 
to students, be now read a second time. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. Boutin, seconded by Mr. Plourde, proposed to move in amendment 
thereto, — That Bill C-110 be not now read a second time, but that it be resolved 
that in the opinion of this House, the Government should bring in new legisla- 
tion in view of giving the Provinces, necessary fiscal revenue to permit them 
to furnish to the Students needed scholarship grants. 

RULING BY MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER 

Mr. Deputy Speaker ruled the amendment out of order on the grounds that 
as it did not oppose the main motion it was in the nature of an expanded nega- 
tive and also that it introduced a matter which was not relevant to the principle 
of the bill. 

After further debate, the question being put on the main motion, it was 
agreed to on the following division: 

Yeas 

Messrs: 



Addison, 


Badanai, 


Batten, 


Benson, 


Aiken, 


Barnett, 


Bechard, 


Bigg, 


Armstrong, 


Basford, 


Beer, 


Blouin, 


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Brewin, 


Francis, 


Macdonald, 


Peters, 


Brown, 


Gelber, 


MacEachen, 


Pickersgill, 


Byrne, 


Godin, 


MacEwan, 


Pilon, 


Cadieux, 


Gordon, 


Maclnnis, 


Pugh, 


Cameron 


Gray, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rapp, 


(High Park), 


Greene, 


MacNaught, 


Richard, 


Cantelon, 


Guay, 


McCutcheon, 


Rinfret, 


Cantin, 


Habel, 


Mcintosh, 


Rock, 


Cardiff, 


Hahn, 


McMillan, 


Ryan, 


Car din, 


Harley, 


McNulty, 


Scott, 


Carter, 


Hays, 


McWilliam, 


Smith, 


Chretien, 


Hellyer, 


Madill, 


Southam, 


Churchill, 


Herridge, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Starr, 


Cooper, 


Honey, 


Mather, 


Stefanson, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Horner (Acadia). 


, Matheson, 


Stenson, 


Cowan, 


Howe (Wellington- Matte, 


Stewart, 


Crouse, 


Huron) , 


Monteith, 


Tardif, 


Cyr, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Moore, 


Teillet, 


Davis, 


Jones (Mrs.), 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Temple, 


Deachman, 


Kennedy, 


North and 


Thompson, 


Deschatelets, 


Knowles, 


Victoria) , 


Tremblay, 


Diefenbaker, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Muir (Lisgar), 


Turner, 


Dinsdale, 


Korchinski, 


Munro, 


Wahn, 


Doucett, 


Laing, 


Nicholson, 


Walker, 


Douglas, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nielsen, 


Watson ( Assiniboia) , 


Drury, 


Lambert, 


Noble, 


Watson 


Dube, 


Lamontagne, 


Nowlan, 


(Chateauguay- 


Dupuis, 


Leblanc, 


Nugent, 


Huntingdon- 


Emard, 


Leboe, 


O'Keefe, 


Laprairie), 


Eudes, 


Legault, 


Olson, 


Webb, 


Fane, 


Lessard 


Orlikow, 


Webster, 


Fisher, 


(Saint-Henri), 


Otto, 


Weichel, 


Flemming (Victoria 


- Loiselle, 


Pascoe, 


Willoughby, 


Carleton) , 


Loney, 


Patterson, 


Winch, 


Forbes, 


Macaluso, 


Pennell, 

Nays 


Winkler, 
Woolliams — 144. 




Messrs: 




Boutin, 


Langlois, 


Perron, 


Ricard, 


Gauthier, 


Laprise, 


Pigeon, 


Vincent — 11. 


Gregoire, 


Paul, 


Plourde, 





Accordingly, the said bill was read the second time, considered in Com- 
mittee of the Whole, and progress having been made and reported, the Com- 
mittee obtained leave to consider it again at the next sitting of the House. 

By unanimous consent, the House reverted to "Motions". 



On motion of Mr. Walker, seconded by Mr. Rinfret, it was ordered, — That 
the name of Mr. Basford be substituted for that of Mr. Deachman on the Joint 
Committee on Consumer Credit, and 

That a message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof. 



A.D. 1964 MONDAY, 20th JULY 545 

(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.33 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



At 10.43 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



A.D. 1964 TUESDAY, 21st JULY 547 

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OTTAWA, TUESDAY, 21st JULY, 1964. 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had agreed to the amendments made by the House of Commons to Bill 
S-28, An Act respecting The Quebec Board of Trade, without any amendment. 



Bill C-110, An Act to facilitate the making of loans to students, was again 
considered in Committee of the Whole and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



(Proceedings on Adjournment Motion) 

At 10.31 o'clock p.m., the question "That this House do now adjourn" was 
deemed to have been proposed pursuant to provisional Standing Order 39-A; 

After debate thereon, the said question was deemed to have been adopted. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Favreau, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Report, dated 
June 24, 1964, of the Restrictive Trade Practices Commission, under the Com- 
bines Investigation Act, concerning the Distribution, Supply and Sale of Plumb- 
ing Supplies and Related Products in the Province of Alberta. (English and 
French) . 



548 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated May 6, 1964 for a copy of all correspondence 
including letters and other documents exchanged, on the one hand, between 
the government, the Minister of Justice or other governmental agencies and, 
on the other hand, any person or association with regard to the construction 
of the penal institution for women planned by the government at Cornwall. — 
(Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 99). 

By Mr. Pickersgill, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command 
of His Excellency the Governor General, — Report on the Activities of the 
Atlantic Development Board for the year ended March 31, 1964, including its 
Financial Statements and the Auditor General's Report thereon, pursuant to 
section 19 of the Atlantic Development Board Act, chapter 10, Statutes of 
Canada, 1962-63. (French). 



At 10.48 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 
2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 26, 1964. 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 22nd JULY 549 

No. 110 

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OTTAWA, WEDNESDAY, 22nd JULY, 1964. 

2.00 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



Mr. Gordon, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copy of a telegram dated July 17, 1964, addressed to the Minister of 
Finance by the Premier of Quebec on the subject of Bill C-110, An Act to 
facilitate the making of loans to students. (English and French). 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following five Questions were 
made Orders of the House for Returns, namely: 

No. 740 — Mr. Balcer 
For the financial years 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62 and 1962-63, what was, 
in detail, the percentage of indirect tax revenues levied by the federal govern- 
ment in the Province of Quebec and the percentage of revenues other than from 
direct and indirect taxes obtained in the said Province? 

No. 741 — Mr. Balcer 

1. Taking into account, as between Ottawa and Quebec, all the revenue 
received by Ottawa (including direct taxes, indirect taxes and other revenue) 
and all expenditures incurred in Quebec's behalf (including conditional and 
unconditional grants to institutions and to individuals and expenditures incurred 
for public works and other purposes and by Crown corporations in that 
Province), for the financial years 1959-60, 1960-61, 1961-62 and 1962-63, how 
much more, or less, does the federal government spend than it collects in the 
said Province? 

2. What are the comparative figures for each of the remaining provinces 
in Canada? 



550 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

No. 1,277 — Mr. Knowles 
What was the total amount of purchases of petroleum products made by 
all departments of the federal government in the Province of Saskatchewan 
during the fiscal years ending in 1956, 1957, 1963, and 1964, from each of the 
following (a) Federated Co-operatives (b) Imperial Oil Limited (c) British 
American Oil Company Limited (d) Royalite Oil Limited? 

Mr. Stewart, Parliamentary Secretary to the Secretary of State, presented, 
— Return to the foregoing Order. 

*No. 1,457 — Mr. Rynard 
What is the value of the following imported into Canada annually from 
other countries: field crops (including cereal grains), feed grains, other grains, 
vegetables and fruits, beef, lamb and pork, dairy products? 

Mr. Pepin, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade and Com- 
merce, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 

No. 1,513 — Mr. Howard 
In each Indian community of the Indian Agencies of Queen Charlotte, 
Skeena, Terrace, Babine, Burns Lake, Stuart Lake, Fort St. John, and Yukon, 
how many Indian day school teachers were (a) qualified teachers (give ratings 
or classifications) (b) unqualified teachers (c) recalled from retirement in 
order to teach (d) recent arrivals from the British Isles (e) recent arrivals 
from Europe (f) without previous teaching experience, for the school terms 
of 1960-61, 1961-62, 1962-63 and 1963-64? 

Mr. Badanai, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Citizenship and 
Immigration, presented, — Return to the foregoing Order. 



Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers Nos. 133, 134, and 135 
were allowed to stand at the request of the government. 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters and documents sent 
to the Minister of Labour and his replies, if any, by any seamen complaining 
that they are still on the "Do Not Ship" list compiled by the Seafarers' Inter- 
national Union. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 141 — Mr. 
Orlikow). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was resolved, — 
That an humble Address be presented to His Excellency praying that he 
will cause to be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged 
between the Minister of Agriculture and the Governments of Saskatchewan 
and Manitoba regarding federal assistance for the drought stricken areas of 
these Provinces, since May 22, 1964. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 142 — Mr. Douglas). 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all letters and telegrams received 
by the Prime Minister, the Ministers and/or the Departments of Defence 
Production, Industry, Northern Affairs and National Resources and Post Office 



A.D. 1964 WEDNESDAY, 22nd JULY 551 

and copies of the replies thereto since the 1st day of June, 1964, in regard to 
the disposal of the Kitsilano reserve property in Vancouver. — (Notice of 
Motion for the Production of Papers No. 144 — Mr. Diefenbaker) , 



Pursuant to provisional order adopted on April 20, 1964, it was ordered, — 
That there be laid before this House a copy of all correspondence exchanged, 
since April 1, 1964, between the Premier of British Columbia and the Prime 
Minister of Canada with reference to any proposed extensions or alterations 
to Trans-Canada Highway Agreements. — (Notice of Motion for the Production 
of Papers No. 145 — Mr. Barnett). 



Bill C-110, An Act to facilitate the making of loans to students, was again 
considered in Committee of the Whole and further progress having been made 
and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the next 
sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following papers having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
were laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Laing, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Copy of Or- 
dinances, chapters 1 to 15, made by the Council of the Northwest Territories, 
assented to on June 12, 1964, pursuant to section 15 of the Northwest Ter- 
ritories Act, chapter 331, R.S.C., 1952, as amended 1953-54, together with 
a copy of Order in Council P.C. 1964-1109, dated July 16, 1964, approving 
same. 

By Mr. Lamontagne, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, — Return to 
an Order of the House, dated March 11, 1964, for a copy of all correspondence, 
letters, telegrams or other documents exchanged since January 1, 1963 between 
the Minister of Transport or any official of his Department, and the "Com- 
pagnie de Navigation Nord-Sud" or any of its representatives, relative to the 
ferry service between Pointe-au-Pere and Baie Comeau and subsidies relating 
thereto. — (Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. 56). 



At 6.02 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 2(1). 



20222— 36£ 



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No. Ill 

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OTTAWA, THURSDAY, 23rd JULY, 1964. 

2.00 o'clock p.m. 



Prayers. 



A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the 
Senate had passed the following Bills to which the concurrence of this House 
is desired: 

Bill S-33, An Act to incorporate the Ottawa Terminal Railway Company. 

Bill S-40, An Act to repeal certain Acts of the Province of Newfoundland 
respecting Harbours and Pilotage. 



Mr. Matheson, from the Standing Committee on External Affairs presented 
the Third Report of the said Committee which is as follows: 

In accordance with its Order of Reference of July 3, 1964, your Committee 
has considered and approved the following items in the Main Estimates and 
the Supplementary Estimates (A) for 1964-65 relating to the Department of 
External Affairs: Items numbered 1 to 40 inclusive in the Main Estimates; 
Items numbered la, 10a, 15a, 20a, 30a, and Items L12a to L14a inclusive in the 
Supplementary Estimates. 

A copy of the Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issues No. 30 to 33) 
is appended. 

(The Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence accompanying the said Report 
recorded as Appendix No. 9 to the Journals). 

The foregoing Items of the Estimates stand referred to the Committee of 
Supply pursuant to Standing Order 57. 



Mr. Pearson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, laid before the 
House, — Copies of letters received by the Prime Minister of Canada from the 



554 HOUSE OF COMMONS 13 ELIZABETH II 

Acting Premier of Newfoundland and the Premiers of Ontario, Prince Edward 
Island and Saskatchewan, dated between July 9 and July 20, 1964, concerning 
a proposed conference to consider the Report of the Royal Commission on 
Health Services. 

Bill C-110, An Act to facilitate the making of loans to students, was again 
considered in Committee of the Whole; 

And the House continuing in Committee; 

At 5.00 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker took the Chair. 

[Private Members 9 Business was called pursuant to Standing Order 15(3)] 

[Notices of Motions (Papers)] 

Items numbered 136 and 138 having been called were allowed to stand 
at the request of the government. 

By unanimous consent, item numbered 123, having been called was allowed 
to stand at the request of the government. 

(Private Bills) 

Order No. 1 having been called was allowed to stand at the request of the 
government. 

Bill S-27, An Act respecting The Bell Telephone Company of Canada was 
again considered in Committee of the Whole and further progress having been 
made and reported, the Committee obtained leave to consider it again at the 
next sitting of the House. 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 

The House resumed consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bill C-110, 
An Act to facilitate the making of loans to students, which was reported with 
amendments, considered as amended, on division, and ordered for a third read- 
ing at the next sitting of the House. 



Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House 

The following paper having been deposited with the Clerk of the House 
was laid upon the Table pursuant to Standing Order 40, namely: 

By Mr. Benson, a Member of the Queen's Privy Council, by command of 
His Excellency the Governor General, — Report of the Department of National 
Revenue containing Statements relative to Customs-Excise Revenue and Other 
Services by Ports; Excise and Income of Canada, for the year ended March 
31, 1964, pursuant to section 5 of the Department of National Revenue Act, 
chapter 75, R.S.C., 1952. (English and French). 



At 11.36 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House without question 
put until tomorrow at 10.30 o'clock a.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 
26, 1964. 



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OTTAWA, FRIDAY, 24th JULY, 1964. 



10.30 o'clock a.m. 
Prayers. 

Mr. Baldwin, from the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, presented 
the Third Report of the said Committee, which is as follows: 

Your Committee recommends that it be empowered to engage an account- 
ant and clerical personnel, as it may deem necessary, for the purpose of its 
inquiry and relevant investigations arising from its study of the Public 
Accounts. 



Mr. Ryan, seconded by Mr. Roxburgh, by leave of the House, introduced 
Bill C-113, An Act to provide for the length of Sessions of Parliament, which 
was read the first time and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of 
the House. 



The following bills from the Senate were read the first time and ordered 
for a second reading at the next sitting of the House: 

Bill S-33, An Act to incorporate the Ottawa Terminal Railway Company. — 
Mr. Pickersgill. 

Bill S-40, An Act to repeal certain Acts of the Province of Newfoundland 
respecting Harbours and Pilotage. — Mr. Pickersgill. 



The Order being read for the third reading of Bill C-110, An Act to facili- 
tate the making of loans to students; 

Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Lamontagne, moved, — That the said bill be 
now read a third time and do pass; 



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After debate thereon, the question being put on the said motion, it was 
agreed to on the following division: 

Yeas 







Messrs: 




Aiken, 


Fane, 


Loiselle, 


Pennell, 


Alkenbrack, 


Fisher, 


Macdonald, 


Peters, 


Asselin (Richmond- 


Flemming (Victoria- MacEwan, 


Pilon, 


Wolfe), 


Carleton), 


Maclnnis, 


Prittie, 


Baldwin, 


Forbes, 


Mackasey, 


Pugh, 


Basford, 


Forgie, 


MacLean (Queens), 


Rapp, 


Batten, 


Foy, 


MacNaught, 


Regan, 


Beer, 


Francis, 


MacRae, 


Rheaume, 


Benson, 


Gelber, 


McBain, 


Richard, 


Berger, 


Gendron, 


McCutcheon, 


Rinfret, 


Bigg, 


Gordon, 


Mcllraith, 


Rochon, 


Boulanger, 


Grafftey, 


Mcintosh, 


Rock, 


Brown, 


Gray, 


McMillan, 


Roxburgh, 


Byrne, 


Habel, 


McWilliam, 


Ryan, 


Cadieu, 


Hahn, 


Madill, 


Sharp, 


Cadieux, 


Harley, 


Mandziuk, 


Southam, 


Cantelon, 


Hays, 


Martin (Essex East) 


, Stefanson, 


Cantin, 


Herridge, 


Matheson, 


Stenson, 


Cardiff, 


Irvine, 


Matte, 


Stewart, 


Carter, 


Jewett (Miss), 


Mitchell, 


Tardif, 


Churchill, 


Jones (Mrs.), 


Moore, 


Teillet, 


Clancy, 


Kelly, 


Moreau, 


Thomas, 


Coates, 


Kindt, 


Morison, 


Tremblay, 


Cooper, 


Klein, 


Muir (Cape Breton 


Tucker, 


Cote (Longueuil), 


Knowles, 


North and 


Turner, 


Cowan, 


Konantz (Mrs.), 


Victoria), 


Walker, 


Deachman, 


Korchinski, 


Mullally, 


Watson (Assiniboia) 


Deschatelets, 


Laing, 


Nicholson, 


Watson (Chateau- 


Diefenbaker, 


LaMarsh (Miss), 


Nielsen, 


guay-Huntingdon- 


Dinsdale, 


Lambert, 


Nixon, 


Laprairie) , 


Doucett, 


Lamontagne, 


Nowlan, 


Webb, 


Douglas, 


Leblanc, 


O'Keefe, 


Webster, 


Drury, 


Leboe, 


Ormiston, 


Whelan, 


Dube, 


Legault, 


Pascoe, 


Winch, 


Eudes, 


Lessard (Lac-Saint- Patterson, 


Winkler, 


Fairweather, 


Jean), 


Pearson, 

Nays 
Messrs: 


Woolliams— 137. 


Belanger, 


Gauthier, 


Laprise, 


Paul, 


Boutin, 


Girouard, 


Latulippe, 


Pigeon, 


Caouette, 


Gregoire, 


Ouellet, 


Ricard, 


Dionne, 






Vincent — 14. 



Accordingly, the said bill was read the third time and passed. 



The House resolved itself again into Committee of Supply and progress 
having been made and reported the Committee obtained leave to sit again at the 
next sitting of the House. 



A.D. 1964 FRIDAY, 24th JULY 557 

[At 5.00 o'clock p.m. Private Members* Business was called pursuant to 

Standing Order 15 (3) ] 

(Public Bills) 

Orders numbered 1 to 3 having been called were allowed to stand at the 
request of the government. 



The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Klein, seconded by Mr. 
Walker, — That Bill C-21, An Act respecting Genocide, be now read a second 
time. 

And debate continuing; 

Mr. MacNaught, seconded by Miss LaMarsh, moved, — That the said bill be 
not now read a second time but that the subject-matter thereof be referred to 
the Standing Committee on External Affairs. 

And debate arising thereon; 

The hour for Private Members' Business expired. 



At 6.03 o'clock p.m., Mr. Speaker adjourned the House, without question 
put until Monday at 2.00 o'clock p.m., pursuant to Order made Friday, June 
26, 1964. 



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OTTAWA, MONDAY, 27th JULY, 1964. 



2.00 o'clock p.m. 

Prayers. 

Mr. Speaker laid before the House, — Extract from the Minutes of a Meet- 
ing of the Commissioners of Internal Economy of the House of Commons of 
Canada, held at Ottawa on Tuesday, June 23, 1964, (English and French), which 
is as follows: 

The Commissioners recommend to the House of Commons: 

1. That pursuant to the provisions of Subsection (1) of Section 44 of the 
Senate and House of Commons Act, effective as from the first day of October, 
1963, Members' travelling expenses may be paid as follows: — 

For each Session of Parliament, there may be paid to Members of 
the House of Commons actual travelling expenses between their place 
of residence or constituency and Ottawa as may be required for the per- 
formance of their duties as Members of the House of Commons: 

(a) If such expenses have been incurred in travelling by common carrier 
and do not exceed the cost of air transportation economy fares and 
are supported by receipted vouchers, provided that such expenses 
shall not take place more frequently than one return trip each week; 
or 

(b) If such expenses have been incurred in travelling by motor vehicle 
and do not exceed the cost of air transportation economy fares or 
seven cents per mile, whichever shall be the less, provided that such 
expenses for travelling by motor vehicle shall not take place more 
frequently than one return trip each week; 

2. That all claims for travelling expenses incurred by Members of the 
House of Commons up to July 1, 1964, in conformity with the recommendation 



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of the Commissioners dated October 3, 1963, tabled on October 10, 1963, and 
concurred in by the House on October 11, 1963, be recognized as having been 
validly made; 

3. That the present recommendations are to replace the regulations previ- 
ously referred to, which were concurred in by the House on October 11, 1963. 



On motion of Mr. Rinfret, seconded by Mr. Ryan, it was ordered that the 
name of Mr. Leblanc be substituted for that of Mr. Boulanger on the Joint 
Committee on the Parliamentary Restaurant; and that a Message be sent to 
the Senate to acquaint Their Honours thereof. 



On motion of Mr. Tardif for Mr. Baldwin, seconded by Mr. Nixon, the 
Third Report of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts presented to the 
House on Friday, July 24, 1964, was concurred in. 



Pursuant to Standing Order 39(4), the following Question was made an 
Order of the House for a Return, namely: 

No. 1,344 — Mr. Gauthier 

1. Of the 116 projects approved under ARDA, which projects have been 
approved for the Province of Quebec, where are they to be carried out, and 
what amount has been set aside for each? 

2. Of the 14 projects presently under study, which projects are scheduled 
for the Province of Quebec, where are they to be carried out, and what amount 
will be allotted for each? 

3. For the 29 other projects for which no answer is given, which of these 
are slated for the Province of Quebec, where are they to be carried out, and 
what is the estimated cost of each? 

4. How many projects under ARDA have been approved for each province? 

5. What projects are presently being studied for each province, and what 
is the estimated cost of each? 

Mr. Beer, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Forestry, prese