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LOK SABHA DEBATES
(English Version)

Second Senion
(Ninth Lok Sabha)

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CONTENTS

[Ninth Series. Vol. VI, Second Session, 1990^1912 (Saka)]
No. 49, Friday, May 25, 1990AJyaistha4, 1912 (Saka)

Columns

Answers to Questions :

•Starred Question Nos. 986 to 990,

en Answers to Questions:

Starred Question Nos. 991 to 1007

Unstarred Question Nos. 1 0401 to 1 0633

lary Reference

(Death of Shri K.S. Hegde)

427—434

Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh
Prof. N.G. Ranga

Shri LK. Advani

Shri Somnath Chatterjee
Shrimati Geeta Mukherjee

Dr. Thambi Durai

Shri Nani Bhattacharya

Shri Ibrahim Sulaiman Sait

Prof. Salfuddln Soz

Kumari Mayawati

Shri Chitta Basu

428
428-429
429—430
430-431

431
431-432

432
432-433

433

433
433-434

Sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually
d on the floor of the House by that Member.

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

Friday. May 25, 1990/Jyaistha4, 1912

(Saka)

requesting is that this discussion on Kashmir
should continue first after the Question Hour.
(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Will you please take
your seat?

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

The Lok Sabha met at two minutes past
Eleven of the Clock

[MR. SPEAKER in the Chair]

[EngBsh]

SHRI VASANT SATHE: May I make a
request to the entire House? A serious matter
has arisen. An interview given by the Gover-
nor of Kashmir to a weekly the Current has
appeared today where he calls the entire
Muslim population of Kashmir as militants
and says, "I want to eliminate them first":

[Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: At the moment, please
alow the 'Question Hour to continue.'

[English)

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): We are going to discuss Ka-
shmir today. (Interruptions)

SHRI VASANT SATHE: I am not asking
for suspension of Question Hour. All I am

[EngBsh]

Export of Wheat Bran

•986. SHRI K.S. RAO: Will the Minister
of COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have devised
a special procedure for export of wheat bran;

(b) if so, whether Agricultural and Proc-
essed Food Products Export Development
Authority (APEDA) has been invested with
more powers in .this regard; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) to (c). A State-
ment is laid on the table of the House.

STATEMENT

(a) to (c). Wheat bran appears in List 2
Part B Schedule I of the Import and Export
Policy Volume-ll as an item export of which
is subject to annual ceiling. The procedure
for release of the ceiling of this item is deter-

Oral Answers

MAY 25, 1990

Oral Answers

mined annually.

In 1 989-90, 1 0,000 tonnes was the ceil-
ing for wheat bran placed at the disposal of
Agricultural and Processed Food Products
Export Development Authority (APEDA) for
which reasons a "special procedure" in terms
of Para 12(3) of the previous Import and
Export Policy Volume-ll was prescribed.
Guidelines in brief, in this regard, are given
in enclosed Annexure.

The ceiling and the procedure for wheat
bran export for 1 990-91 are yetto be notified.

ANNEXURE

"Special" Procedure for Export of Wheat
Bran in 1989-90 (Orders issued by CCI&E
on 31 .1 .90 VALID UPTO 31 .3.90)

It has been decided to devise a special
procedure for export of Wheat Bran in terms
of para 12(3) of Section I of said policy
book:—

(i) The ceiling for export of Wheat
Bran will be placed at the dis-
posal of Agricultural and Proc-
essed Food Products Export
Development Authority, New
Delhi (APEDA).

(ii) The exporters are required to
register their contracts backed
by 100% Irrevocable Letter of
Credit with APEDA.

(Hi) Exporters will submit a Bank
Guarantee equivalent to one per
cent of the FOB value as per
Irrevocable Letter of Credit to
APEDA, in favour of the Govern-
ment, by bond as prescribed in
Section VI of the Export Policy
1988-89 (Vol. II)

(iv) APEDA will not allocate more
than 1 0% of the total available
ceiling to any individual exporter.

(v) On fulfilment of said conditions,

the APEDA will issue ceiling slips
to the exporters, on first-come-
first-served basis, indicating ful
particulars such as the name of
the exporter, number and dated
Order and Irrevocable Letter of
Credit, quantity allowed, FOB
value and the destination.

(vi) ^ APEDA shall send the release
advice along with the Bank
Guarantee to the concerned Port
Licensing Authority, who on re-
ceipt of the same from APEDA
shall ensure that an Export Li-
cence with validity period upto
31 st March, 1 990 is issued within
48 hours.

(vii) Entire export will be made within
the validity period of the export
licence failing which the Bank
Guarantee will be forfeited by the
Government.

(viii) No registration of contracts will
be made after 31 st March, 1 990,
nor any exports will be allowed
by APEDA even if the quantity of
the ceiling remains unutilised.

As soon as the ceiling is exhausted,
APEDA will report the facts to the Ministry of
Commerce, EP (Agri-ll) Section.

SHRI K.S. RAO: I have seen the reply
given by the hon. Minister. The information is
already there in the press report. The same
thing has been repeated, with a little more
addition.

It is seen that the ceiling fixed initially is
10,000 tonnes. I just wish to know from the
hon.^inister whether there is any scientific
basis for fixing this 1 0,000 tonnes because
the quantum of production of wheat in this
country as also bran is substantial. I wish to
know whether it is based on an intention to
earn foreign exchange and also to provide
getting better price for the wheat growers or
it is based on the availability of quantities?

Oral Answers

JYAISTHA4, 1912(SAK4)

Oral Answers 6

>HRI ARANGIL SHREEDHARAN: This
g of 10,000 matric tonnes if fixed with
occurrence of the Ministry of Agricul-
Department of Food, Ministry of Food
»ssing Industry.

When we export any commodity, our
thrust is, we should be able to earn as
i foreign exchange as possible.

n this case also, we will take care of it

SHRI K.S. RAO: You did not make it
whether the total quantity available for
it is taken into consideration or not. I
vanted a clarification.

My second question is, in regard to rice
, on many an occasion, in Andhra
ash shortage is felt by the mills which
reducing oil from the rice bran. The
rt potential for rice bran cake and oil is
very much. Earlier, the Association of
Millers and also Producers of the paddy
made a representation to this Govem-
asking them to allow to import rice bran
some countries like Indonesia, Bangla-
and all that where it is available at a
very cheap rate and they also said, as
from the statement, that foreign ex-
Be that could be earned by value in the
try is substantial, and it is in the interest
> nation also apart from the rice mills. If
lesire of the hon. Minister in fixing up
X) tonnes is for earning foreign ex-
Be, the foreign exchange could be
xJ in a substantial manner by allowing
oe millers to Import rice bran and export
id cake. Why the Government has not
i a decision for this allowing of the
rt of rice?

SHRI ARANGIL SREEDHARAN: The
Member has repeated his question.
ivailabinty of wheat bran and things like
s decided by the Agriculture Ministry,
nty place their demands with them and
teir concurrence.

Ux>ut rice bran, it is no possible for me
re an off-hand reply. The question re-
to wheat bran. However, I would like to

inform the hon. Member that rice bran import
is banned in this country.

SHRI A. CHARLES: I know the question
relates to the Ministry of Commerce. How-
ever, I would like to point out that wheat bran,
if properly processed by the food processing
units in India, can increase our food produc-
tion. May I know from the hon. Minister
whether suitable instructions will be given to
the Department of Food Processing to see
the possibility of processing of wheat bran
instead of exporting it as a raw material and
thereafter getting it imported as a processed
food?

SHRI ARANGIL SREEDHARAN: The
wheat bran is used for two purposes: One is
for cattle food and the other is for food. We
have not examined this possibility in India.
We will consider this proposal raised by the
hon. Member.

SHRI M. BAGA REDDY: The quota for
export of wheat bran last year was fixed at
1 0,000 tonnes. I would like to know whether
this target is achieved or not. If not, why not?

SHRI ARANGIL SREEDHARAN: In
1 989-90, the following two parties were given
licence but no import took place: —

1. Asha Pure Minachema (P) Ltd,
Bombay.

2. REPL Engineering (P) Ltd, Bom-
bay.

The export could not be effected in
1989-90. Party No. 1 has not taken the
export licence and Party No. 2 has sought
extension for the validity of the export li-
cence.

[Translation]

SHRI JANARDAN YADAV: Rice bran is
required to run small industries In this coun-
try. I would like to know from the Government
through you whether there is any proposal to
utilise the unexported rice bran in India in the
small scale industries sector?

MAYS, 1990

OralAnsmn

P**»uet development as well as ma

ay Boan^Authoritias, Export Pro
™ *^ B,B * *» Quafity Control Agenc

a«CHANDUBHAIDESHMUKH|

■^ Sr. the hon. Minister has stat
9* of Rs. 36,000 crorssh
bf *• Government lor tha yt
■■oaMaVe to know from tha ho
taRjetfesd' forthe year 1989-!
** tajget b higher or lower ,
a tea year's target? Abo whic
B» poods tat contnbuted to the at

, ^^^ -st*^- -^?*

afi AajrKmiARHEHRU:Thetotj
•ana r 1963-90 were estimated at ft.
;' H2 gam against Rs. 20.302 croras n
*»« Or g-owtfi rate a 36.5% a mpM
■rort:57% US cWlar terms. Thera art
a a saaaics hare and I can keep reading
rw«r »x I »iT take some time. The volumi
jraerh rf hda's export b estimated at 12
aw can. Sevan per cent b the volums
jroar aar amjm for the Seventh Plan. In
wrnarc J= fw total export picture for the yi*
~9sC-$: wfee*e we have fixed a target of
5 &5t.XV rroms, agricuftura and marirs
itooaSB ancrxrts tor nearly 1&88 per cart
«mc3' s isuciSy Rs. 5,61 crores.

«CF «CV.7X)UAS:Sa, the export of
■vjt -irt ^ojIjCS sons of the major sourcts
> w^c> «• ar gat foreign exchange. Tna
n»fc fcemsw Sh- Ann Neh™ knows van/
ewv ' rna rwrajM :ac major problems faring
nw main* aro±c&. One b. the foreign
n,>»5 « aaesirg our fishes to such a* 1
**w-, tt-jc** garret a»ec get five per cefi
,» ^its>ws.St •ftats*aps**oetakenby
-v .S.-**'-i™** » s** r-at our trolere ar»
♦V4v <aj*r* Swcwdlj . some of our export-
»* » * ns .wnacws atom tha quafity. As a
^s,; j, ns, »n» d a/ export terns of
4S<*? s t<w* **" *5 raK; t " Jve DMn «"•

Oral Answers

JYAISTHA 4, 1912 (SAKA)

Oral Answers 10

dw whether the government will look
me two items— firstly, foreign trailers
ing fishes and secondly, about the
y of fishes that is being exported.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: The hon.
ber has made some very valid points
ave had some problems of other trollers
ig into our water. Bit the problem is not
y serious one. There has been very
percentage of it. In fact, we have
seated quite a few trollers in the last few
i. But we do not really have a shortage
r trollers going in our areas. In fact, as
enow, for marine products, the basic
1 is of Shrimps. Now we are getting
ips from inland farming also which is a
ish water farming as far as Shrimps are
»rned. Now about the exports, as you
we, if you take the figures of overall
>e exports, they have not been very
in the last year. We have not had the
of growth which wanted to have. For
Are have been holding a lot of meetings,
xggest markets today are Japan and
S. With USA, we have had some prob-
of quality, we are impressing upon our
rters that they must maintain quality
ol at all levels. Now in marine products,
y control is a problem which is not only
I by us, but it is faced by most of the
tries also. And if you have a problem
two to three per cent, it is tolerable. If it
up beyond five per cent, then it be-
ts a very serious problem. Now certain
lures have been taken and a few manu-
rers who are not adhering to the quality
jule, have been asked to do so.

>HRI NANI BH ATTACH ARYA: Sir, may

©St the Minister to explain or to apprise

louse whether this export target as-

nent is of about Rs. 36,000 crores?

would be the export component of

jlture including spices and plantations?

is the first part. Secondly, the recent

ping changes in the alignment of forces

East European countries and also in

other countries have been taken into

int while proving the potentiality of

t in those countries and also while

the targets.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, I
would like to give the hon. Member figures
for the last three years as far as agricultural
products are concerned. When we are talk-
ing of products, we are also taling of the
plantation and marine products and the whole
thing. In 1 988-89, our total export was of Rs.
3,556 crores. Last year, we have exported
for about Rs. 4,434 crores. In the current
year, our export is 5,610 crores. I can give
you the statistics, if you want to have, for
each individual products, products also, like
spices, cashew, tobacco, cereals, oil-cakes
and the whole lot. At the moment, if you talk
in terms of percentage, out of 36 thousand
crores, the total agricultural products export
will comprise about 15.88 per cent of the
total export. As far as the changes in East
Europe are concerned, I do not think, it
fundamentally affects our exports. We do
not anticipate any problem. Whatever Budget
we have fixed, we have taken into account
Eastern Europe. There are a few countries
which want to trade with us in hard curren-
cies. We have said that if they want to pay in
hard currencies, we are willing to do so from
tomorrow. So, we do not anticipate any great
problem.

[Translation]

SHRINANDLALMEENA:Gariic is being
grown in Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh for
the last four years. The cost of production
including the price of seed of garlic comes to
about Rs. 5,000 per bigha, but when farmer
goes to the market to sell his produce, he
gets Rs. 1 90 to Rs. 400-500 per quintal and
thus he has been incurring a huge loss. Mr.
Speaker, Sir, I would like to know from the
hon. Minister through you whether the Gov-
ernment of India is thinking in terms of ex-
porting garlic also alongwith other agricul-
tural commodities? If not, the Government
may inform the House the amount of loss
being incurred by the farmers and how the
Government proposes to meet out this loss?

[English]

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, I
cannot answer for the Ministry of Agriculture.

Oral Answers

MAY 25, 1990

Oral Answers 12

Basically, these problems are looked after
them. If they can give us some other areas,
then we can... (Interruptions)

[Translation]

SHRI NAND LAL MEENA: Mr. Speaker,
Sir, the farmers are suffering a loss of Rs.
3000 to 4000 per bigha in selling garlic I
would like to know whether the Government
will export garlic?... (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Joshi, I did not call
you, please sit down.

(Interruptions)

[Translation]

SHRI RAM KISHAN YADAV: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, India is an agricultural country
and all agricultural commodities are being
produced here. I would like to know from the
Hon. Minister of Commerce the names of the
commodities which are being imported in to
our country and the measures being taken
by the Government to prevent the imports?

[English)

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, none
of the items which are being exported are
being imported. Imports are being done only
when you have a shortage. Things like Palm
Oil, if you have a small shortage, then it is
being imported. Four or five years ago, we
used to import nearly three quarter of a
million tonne of palm oil. Today, we are not
even importing hundred tonnes. Our imports
of foodgrains are very very small. But that is
only when you have a marginal shortage.
Otherwise, we are exporting the surplus,
when we have. I would like to clarify that for
all agricultural commodities, it is the Ministry
of Agriculture which indicates the surplus;
then we export So, unless surplus comes
from them, it is very difficult to make predic-
tions.

DR. ASIM BAl V: It is very good that the
agricultural products form 15 to 16 per cent
of the totals ports. Her , I want to know from

the Minister as to what is the total percent-
age of export from annual sources.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, there
are five hundred different items. We will have
to calculate the percentage of each individ-
ual items. (Interruptions)

DR ASIM BALA: Sir, I want the Minister
to communicate this percentage of exports
from animal sources, to me.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: We will
doit.

SHRIS.B.THORAT:Sir,lw3l limit myself
only to the Part C of the Main Answer. It is
stated in the answer that, "the basic strategy
for promoting exports of agricultural items
will be to generate export surpluses.." Cot-
ton and cotton yarn are items which will
generate export surplus. The Government
of Maharashtra has requested to export
cotton. The Central Government has stopped
the export of cotton and cotton yam. Will the
Government re-think and allow the Mahar-
ashtra Government to export cotton and
cotton yarn?

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, this
is a matter for the Textiles Ministry.

SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Sir, as you
know, prawns and shrimps have become a
major source of foreign exchange, so far as
India is concerned, by exporting them. But
Japan has totally banned the import of prawns
and shrimps from India because the quality
was bad during the last two years.

I would like to know from the hon. Min-
ister whether it is a fact that Galadhari Broth-
ers have also got a hand in spoiling the
Indian market.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, I am
afraid, the hon. Member's information is to-
tally incorrect. Japan has not banned the
import. In fact, Japan happens to be our
biggest market. We are selling marine prod-
ucts worth nearly Rs. 300-400 crore.

Oral Answers

JYAISTHA4, 1912(SA/G4)

Oral Answers 14

As far as Galadhari Brothers ars corv
oamad, I do not know what they have to do
wfth shrimps export There may be hundreds
of parties exporting shrimps from India. But
we are not aware of any complaint.

SHRI JOSS FERNANDEZ: My hon.
friend mentioned about poaching in the
Arabian Sea waters, it is also my information
that foreign countries are definitely poaching
in the Arabian Sea with Purseine boats,
which have spohisticted equipment, includ-
ing refrigeration facilities, which are staying
in our waters for two months at a time.

I would Ike to ask the hon. Minister, if we
do not have such sophisticated equipment,
whether we can ask other countries to teach
our staff to man those boats to enable us to
ensure better share of the trade, particularly
for tuna fish.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, we
have no intention of getting sophisticated
equipmentfor poaching from somebody else.
As far as our waters are concerned, if the
hon. Member has any information about any
particular type of ships which are poaching,
we can look into it We have received no
such complaint. We have had some trawlers
coming in. Some trawlers had also been
confiscated. Beyond that, there is not much
poaching.

As far as tuna fishing is concerned, we
have taken up the deep-sea fishing.g We
want to encourage tuna fishing but we are
not aware of refrigerated ships coming into
our waters.

[Translation]

SHRI DILEEP SINGH BHURIA: As has
been stated by the Hon. Minister, the Gov-
ernment of India will export goods worth Rs.
36,000 crores to other countries. We receive
many complaints that the goods we are
sending are not of that specification which
was approached. NAFED was set up to
export agricultural produce to foreign coun-
tries. I want to know whether the Govern-
ment win export commodities through this

agency by banning all the private parties so
that no complaint may come from foreign
countries and only approved goods are
exported? On one hand private parties are
not sending the goods in time and on the
other fruits and vegetables perish in the way.
It also spoils our reputation in the world
markbt. I would like to know whether the
Government will export such prod uce through
the organisation such as NAFED?

[English]

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Sir, when
we are dealing with fresh vegetables and
agricultural products, certain amount of
wastage quality complaints do come in. They
come in both from the Government sources
and also the private sources. But I do not
think we can take a decision that we will give
the whole thing to the Government source so
that there will not be any problem. The fact is,
we have to improve upon our pre-shipment
inspections. We have to impress upon people
that if they got their goods rejected they will
not get export orders again.

SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHARY: It
seems marine products from a substantial
part of our exports and Government of India
wants more exports to save our economy.
May 4 ask the hon. Minister what steps he is
taking in specific fields just Ike in the marine
products? Apart from prawns, there are other
types of fish. And they have been wasted as
they are not processed. Apart from this,
there are other marine products also which
can be processed and exported. I would like
to know as to whether or not the Commerce
Ministry has any proposal just to help the
trawler owners who are becoming bankrupt.
Other than prawns, there are other types of
fish which should be processed and plans
should be made to export them also. Sec-
ondly, I would like to ask about Orissa iron-
ore mines which were getting good foreign
markets. But these iron-ore mines are being
closed down because now, the export has
been brought down. Shall I bring this fact to
the notice of the Commerce Minister and ask
him as to what steps are they proposing
regarding the present mining operation of

15 Oral Answers

MAY 25, 1990

OralAns\

Orissa to at least, provide employment to the
laborers there?

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Fishery
and iron-ore are very diverse fields. But I do
not mind answering them. Firstly, I would like
to mention that as far as the total world
market for marine products is concerned, it is
of the order of 50 billion dollars and out of 50
billion dollars, 40 billion dollars constitute
fish products. We are encouraging to export
other types of fish also to foreign markets in
Europe and America. We are exporting a lot
of things like cuttle fish and other varieties. In
Orissa, we have made massive investments
and we want to make further investment for
shrimp farms and brackish shrimp farm. We
are speaking to the Chief Minister in this
regard. So far as iron-ore in Orissa is con-
cerned, the hon. Member is aware that we
are thinking of deepening Paradip Port also
so that additional quantities can be exported.
Iron-ore exports has not come down in Orissa.
We want to conserve some of the iron-ore in
Orissa for our own production. But there is
no question of iron-ore exports coming down
and there is also no question of unemploy-
ment being generated in Orissa.

[Translation]

Tourism Places In Maharashtra

•988. SHRI HARI BHAU SHANKAR
MAHALE: WW the Minister of TOURISM be
pleased to state:

(a) the details of tourist places of Na-
tional and International importance in the
State of Maharashtra;

(b) the steps taken for the development
of these places during the Seventh Five Year
Plan; and

[English]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) to (c). A statement 4s laid on the

Table of the House.

STATEMENT

(a) To identify and develop to
of National and International im
primarily the responsibility of
Governments. However, the Cen
ment of Tourism extends finar
tance for strengthening of tourisn
ture based on the specific pre
ceived from the State Governn
merit, availability of funds and int
ity.

(b) Thofollowing projects/set
sanctioned by the Central Dop
Tourism during the Seventh Five V

1. Floodlighting ol
Maqbara, Auranga

2. Provision of toilet a
water facilities at /
phanta and Ellora.

3. Cottages at Ganpi

4. Beach Resort at V

5. Yatri Niwas at She

6. Wayside facilities i

7. Trekking equipme
harashtra

8. Water sports equip

(c) The detailed project report
estimates for Central financial as*
the year 1990-91 are yet to be ft
the State Government of Mahan

[Translation]

.SHRI HARIBHAI SHANKAF
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to te!
Minister through you that there is i
of an concrete programme in th<
the place of tourist interest In tt
Maharashtra, but there are 8 to 1
Delhi, like Ashoka Hotel and Sa

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which is adjacent to Ashoka Hotel. Rs. 26
crores have been spent on the letter's con-
struction.... (Interruptions) ....

MR. SPEAKER: Are you giving informa-
tion or asKtng question to get information?

SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR MAHALE:
Is it correct that three storeys of this hotel are
vacant and big officers live there? .... (Inter-
ruptions) .... Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is no
JTDC hotel in the metropolitan city of Bom-
bay, but publications of I.T.D.C. say some-
thing else. I.T.D.C. has not paid any atten-
tion towards Maharashtra I want to know
whether the implementation contained in the
publicity literature is upto date?

MR. SPEAKER: Please ask about
Maharashtra.

SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR MAHALE:
Bombay is a very big city but no hotel has
been set up by the I.T.D.C. there I want to
know whether it is a fact that even publicity
literature is not available there?

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: I have al-
ready said that all the information regarding
the development of tourism in Maharashtra
during the seventh Five Year Plan is con-
trined in the reply which has been placed on
the Table of the House. So far as the hotels
in Maharashtra are concerned, I can give the
detail of the hotels in Maharashtra to the
Hon. Member through you.

MR. SPEAKER: There is no need of
giving names of the hotels in Maharashtra,
please give their total number.

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: I am giving
their total number only. There are 7 five star
delux hotels, 1 five starhotels, 1 four star,
, 19 three star, 31 two star and 12 one star
hotels in Maharashtra. There are 26 other
hotels, which are to be classified.

SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR MAHALE:
Mr. Speaker, Sir, my question has not been
replied to Rs. 26 crores have been wasted
on the construction of Samrat hotel adjacent
to the Ashoka Hotel and this hotel is lying

vacant. Big officers are living there. (Inter-
ruptions) ...

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: About the
anxiety of the hon. Member, I would like to
tell that his information is not correct. The
hotels run by I.T.D.C. are earning enough
profits but even then it is the policy of the
Government that big and costly hotel should
not e constructed there but preference is
being given to the construction of 'Yatrl-
Niwas' at different places according to the
demand of the State Government... (Inter-
ruptions) ...

MR. SPEAKER: Mahaleji, you take your
seat please. Now dont waste more time of
the House as you have already asked two
questions.

[English)

SHRI A.R. ANTULAY: As is well known,
the Konkan coast of Maharashtra is one of
the best tourist spots with beautiful virgin
beaches and the nation can legitimately be
proud of it. It is not only the coast of Mahar-
ashtra, it can well be termed as the national
coast with potential for national wealth. This
entire coast has many beautiful creeks. Will
the hon. Minister assure the House that
instead of leaving the matter to the State
Government alone, the entire Konkan coast
will be taken up by this Government for
development, as a national project, on the
lines of South of France? Unlike the Konkan
coast the coast of south of France has no
creeks. Since the creeks can become the
most beautiful and attractive holiday resorts
and tourist resorts, along with the beaches
on the coast which are virgin, not only at
Ganpatipuia in Ratangiri district but at many
other places, at least thirty to forty of them
along the 300 mile long Konkan coast, will
the hon. Minister assure the House that this
Project will be taken up as a special national
project for development on the lines of South
of France to earn foreign exchange?

THE MINISTER OF COMMERCE AND
TOURISM (SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU):
For the purpose of tourism, we would cer-
tainly like to encourage as many facilities

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and infrastructure as possible. We have many
schemes of this nature coming up all over
the country and we would certainly like to
encourage the establishment of a beach
resort in the Konkan area But as you know,
we have constraints on our Budget. As far as
the Central Government is concerned, the
Ministry of Tourism can act a catalyst, but
basically the suggestions have to come from
the State Governments. And if there are
good suggestions from the State Govern-
ments, we can certainly consider them fa-
vourably subject to the availability of funds.

[Translation]

SHRI RAM NAIK: Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is
25th May today, and already two months
have passed since the 1 990-91 Budget was
presented. In part (C) of the reply, the hon.
Minister has said that even the proposals
have not been sent by the Government of
Maharashtra. I want to know the time by
which Government of Maharashtra was to
send its proposals, what are the reasons for
not sending them and what is the amount
allocated in the Budget to promote tourism in
Maharashtra

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: Mr. Speaker
Sir, the policy is that State Governments
send their different schemes regarding as-
sistance for different tourist places indicating
their priority. A meeting took place between
the representatives of the Government of
Maharashtra and Central Government in
May in this regard. Some works have been
Identified at some places which are to be
given priority. If hon. Member would pay
attention to my reply, he will find that esti-
mates have been received by us. We have
received priority list but we have not received
the detailed project estimates. We will take
immediate action after receiving them.

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHARY: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, hon. Minister has given the
details of the tourist spots of National and
International importance. I would like to know
whether your attention has been drawn
towards Bihar... (Interruptions) ...

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Member, ques-
tion is not related to Bihar.

...(Interruptions)...

SRI ISHWAR CHOUDHARY: Sir. the
question is related to the tourist places of
National importance. I want to know whether
Rajgiri, Pawapuri, Parasnath, Brahmayoni,
Ramshila, Gaya, Vishnu Pad and the entire
Bodh Gaya areas have been developed
keeping in view their importance from the
tourism point of view? I would also fike to
know whether Government's attention has
been drawn towards it and whether Govern-
ment will give priority to the development of
Bodh Gaya and Vishnu Pad in your schemes.
If so, the details thereof?

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: Mr. Speaker.
Sir, although it has no concern with the
question asked yet the question raised by
the hon. Member is very important I want to
inform the House through you that we have
prepared a comprehensive scheme for Bihar
and Uttar Pradesh particularly for Buddhist
circle in Bihar where there are many impor-
tant tourist places relating to Mahatama
Budha Government of Japan Is giving loan
forthis purpose and many works are going to
start there. Information in this regard will be
given when a separate question is asked.

SHRI GANGA CHARAN LODHI: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, Budekhand is has historical
region in Uttar Pradesh... (Interruptions) ...

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. member, this
question has no concern with Bihar or Uttar
Pradesh, it is a general question. ...(Inter-
ruptions) ...

£HRI GANGA CHARAN LODHI: I am
also asking a general question. Hon. Minis-
ter must know that two months ago I had
written to the hon. Minister in this regard.
Bundelkhand was the centre of activities of
Rama Besides this, Kalpi is the birth-place
of the creator of the great characters of the
Mahabharat. Later national movement for
freedom was launched from Jhansi by
Maharani Laxmibai, Mahua is the birth place

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of Aiha-Udal who are considered among the
most valorous men. I want to know from the
hon. Minister as to what steps are being
taken by the Department of Tourism to de-
velop these historical places? Many tourists
visit these places but they go back disap-
pointed. They get no means of transport. I
want to know from the hon. Minister the
steps taken by the Department of Tourism
for the development of there places.

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: Mr. Speaker,
Sir, we will consider positively the sugges-
tions for action regarding all the tourist places
proposed by the State Government of Uttar
Pradesh. For the information of the hon.
Minister I want to tell him the things which
have been decided by us only yesterday and
day before yesterday. A big Meia is being
organised in Bitur, the centre of activities of
Nanaji. A cafeteria is being constructed there.
Our department works in two ways. What-
ever names of tourist places we get in Bun-
delkhand region from Uttar Pradesh Gov-
ernment, we will take steps in that regard. In
connection with the letters received from the
hon. Members regarding development of the
tourist places, we are going to take decision
in this month. I have received his letter, we
are considering it positively (Interrup-
tions) ...

MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Member, please
take your seat.... (Interruptions) ...

SHRI JASWANT SINGH: Mr. Speaker,
Sir, I want to ask a general question. Who is
the member from this constituency?

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: It is my
constituency (Interruptions) ...

SHRIMATI SUMITRA MAHAJAN: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, we are talking about the devel-
opment of the tourist places near the sea-
shore. I recently visited Konkan. There is an
atmosphere of fear. It is correct that devebp-
i merit of that area should be done and the
people also get benefited by it but at the
place where cottages have been constructed,
some undesirable things are also happening

which affects its ancient culture. I want to
know whether Government has paid any
attention to check it? Such things are taking
place at Ganapati Kutir which is a religious
place. But there is a fear among the people
of Konkan that if such wrong culture devel-
ops there, it will affect their original culture.

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: If I under-
stand the question correctly, I would like to
submit that whether It is the question of the
beaches of Konkan or of Goa, such things
have come to our notice. There are certain
things which are extra-ordinary for us but
they are ordinary for them, and this causes
difficulty for us. Therefore, we are trying to
identify such tourists abroad whose actions
may not be opposite to our culture. We are
paying attention on your point and trying to
bring elite and interested tourists. But we
have to accept it that these things are com-
mon for them which are uncommon for us.

DR. DAULATRAO SONUJI AHER: I
want to know the places for which schemes
have been submitted by the Maharashtra
Government to Central Government for the
development of tourist centres there during
the Seventh Five Year Plan and the number
of schemes cleared by you.. ..Please also
state the number of such schemes included
in the Eighth Five Year Plan? Do they tx>n-
tain the names of Anjnerisaputara and Trim-
bak also and if so the details thereof?

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: I can give the
details of the schemes sanctioned by the
Centre during the Seventh Plan. The same
have also been placed on the Table of the
House. I can give the details of the schemes
identified by us uptil now. There is a scheme
of Yatri Nivas at Latoor under which tented
accommodation will be made available. We
have tb make arrangements for providing
accommodationa! Tourist Complex Coeen
Nagar; water and Equipment Visitors centre
Aurangabad, Rural Craft Centre Pune;
Tourist centre Pathaiam-Cathamalan; and
Hurbour Coozing between Elephanta and
Bombay. The Government of Maharashtra
has identified these places in consultation
with the Central Government but estimate of

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these schemes has not been prepared as
yet

KUMARI UMA BHARATI: Khajuraho is
an international tourist spot in Chattarpur
district A Boeing service is operating from
Delhi to Varanasi via Khajuraho. There was
a small office of the Department of Tourism
there. Few Days ago that office was closed
down for unknown reasons. Do you have
any information to this effect that the said
tourist office has been closed down at such
an important place? I want to know whether
the Government has any proposal to reopen
It?

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: I do not have
any knowledge about it. I thank you for giving
me this information. I will look into this mat-
ter.

SHRI SOMJIBHAI DAMOR: Mr. Speaker,
Sir, issue of tourism was raised there earlier
also. The question of Andaman and Nicobar
Islands and Gujarat was also raised here.
Everytime the Government replies that it has
no money no funds and no budget. The
Railway had no money and it had raised
money from the public by floating a com-
pany. I would like to ask the hon. Minister
whether the Government's considering or
will consider to set up any company on these
liries to raise money for the development of
tourism all over India?

[English]

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: Several
Members from various States have been
asking questions about developing tourist
facilities. I just want to give some small
information, Sir, if you permit. Altogether,
what we have in India is that we have a total
of about 30 million tourists, out of which 1 .5
million tourists are coming from abroad, and
28.5 are domestic tourists who are travelling
from one place to another. It is our intention
to develop the infra-structurals facilities for
all the States, for domestic tourism and also
for foreign tourism. In many cases, the infra-
structure is the same. What I would like to
indicate is that the budget at the disposal of
the Central Government is very very re-

stricted.
[Translation]

SHRI SOMJIBHAI DAMOR: I
asked the question in Hindi, You si
reply in Hindi.

MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Ministe
speak in English, you can use earphor
Hindi version. You should not raise
question of language.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: You
not use earphone. I shall answer in Hii

MR. SPEAKER: Now he is speaki
Hindi.

SHRI ARUN KUMAR NEHRU: A
State Governments have their own buc
and the central Government will suppc
the schemes concerning tourism whicl
be sponsored by the State Governmi
But at present there is an allocation of R
crore in the entire seventh Five Year Pla
of which Rs. 16 crore are for the $
Governments. Therefore, all the Seta
will be presented before the central Gov
ment by the State Governments. 1
Central Government will sanction t
keeping in view the funds available.
Central Government is conducting a su
for tourist schemes in Andaman and Nio
Islands but there are envirdnmental
some other problems. Since tourism
developed in Andaman and Nicobar Ish
and we want that it should become a to
spot in future the Government will try its
to develop it.

[English]

New Format of Accounts of Publl
Sector Banks

*989. SHRI PRAKASH KC

BRAHMBHATT:
SHRI N.J. RATHVA:

Willthe Minister of FINANCE be pie*
to state:

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(a) whether Government have directed
the Reseive Bank of India to improve the
tateroai.sjjpervision and control system of
public sector banks and also prepare a new
format for 'greater transparency' in their
annual accounts data;

(b) if so, the details thereof ;

(c) whether the RBI has also directed
the banks to examine the proposal of bring-
ing of public sector banks and financial insti-
tutions under the control of the Comptroller
and Auditor General of India;

(d) the extent to which new format of
annual accounts date will be helpful in carry-
ing out the accounts; and

(e) the time by which the new format is
leery to be introduced?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) to (e). A state-
ment is laid on the Table of the House.

STATEMENT

Under the Reserve Bank of India Act,
1934 and the Banking Regulation Act, 1 949,
Reserve Bank of India (RBI) is vested with
well defined powers to exercise supervision
and control over commercial banks.

The banks prepare their Balance Sheets
and Profit and Loss Accounts in the formats
as prescribed in the Third Schedule of the
Banking Regulation Act. Government in
consultation with Reserve Bank of India have
decided to amend these formats, in phases
which would interalia provide for greater
transparency in the accounts of the banks.
The modalities in this regard are being worked
out

In terms of the statutes governing the
public sector banks, their accounts are to be
audited by the auditors who are qualified to
act as auditors of a company under the
Companies Act, 1956. The desirability of
bringing the public sector banks within the
purview of the Comptroller and Auditor

General of India is being examined in the
consultation with the Reserve Bank of India.

[Translation]

SHRI PRAKASH KOKO

BRAHMBHATT: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I felt the
need to raise this question here because
from the Balance sheet and profit and Loss
Accounts of the banks nobody can have an
idea of the amount of loans which are not to
be realised from back date. What are the
steps the Reserve Bank of India propose to
take in the regard? If the Government has
decided to amend these formats in various
phases, what are these various phases and
what are the points included in it?

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, it has been stated in the state-
ment which I have laid on the Table that till
today formats of accounts of all banks are
prepared as prescribed in the Third Sched-
ule of the Banking Regulation act. In this
regard the Ghosh Committee was consti-
tuted. The particular point referred to by the
hon. Member was also referred to by the
Ghosh Committee. The opinion of the
Committee was that in independent and
democratic India, aH details about the bank
accounts should be placed before the public.
Certains things about bank accounts spread
everywhere. Therefore, there should be more
openness about income from bank accounts
and there should be indication about the
number of back date. In addition to it, this
information should be given in the formats as
to how many persons have been given
concession. These suggestions were given
by the Ghosh Committee. The Government
will take final decision after having consulta-
tions with the Reserve Bank of India.

SHRI PRAKASH KOKO

BRAHMBHATT: Mr. Speaker, Sir, efficiency
of banks is decreasing and corruption is
increasing these days what steps will be
taken by the Reserve Bank of India to check
corruption and by what time will the Govern-
ment put an end to it?

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Mr.

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Speaker, Sir, this question is related to the
format of bank accounts, but as he has
raised the question of corruption, I think that
the change we want to bring in the format,
will also be related to the checking of corrup-
tion. We will take multi-pronged action to
check corruption. Recently, There was an
article on corruption, in which it was stated
that those who wanted to do bungling or
forgery in the banks, had come to realise that
an act of fraud was better and more gainful
than that of robbery. I think that in view of this
situation we will take appropriate action.
Necessary changes will be carried out in the
rules and in the format. It will be helpful in
rooting out corruption.

Telecast/Broadcast of Rlchas (Mantras)
of Vedas on Doordarshan/AIr

•990. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to
telecast and broadcast the Richas (Mantras)
from Vedas in devotional music programmes
in the morning transmission;

(b) if not, the reasons therefor,

(d) if not, whether Government propose
to conduct such a survey?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). At present, there is
no such proposal. However, some of the All
India Radio Stations include Vedic recitation
in their programmes of devotional music.
Songs of devotional nature in Semi-Classi-
cal or classical style are also telecast in the
morning tansimission of Doordarshan.

[Translation]

PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, I would like to request the
Ministry of Information and Broadcasting
through you that more than 86 per cent
population of this country has unflinching
faith in the Vedas. Maharishi Dayanand
Saraswati, who was the first commentator
on Vedas and the first votary of nationalism,
had said that all the Vedas are the books of
true learning. Yogiraj Sri Aurobindo had dso
accepted this fact. Our culture, religion, tra-
ditions, legacy, knowledge, science and
music, all have originated from the Vedas.
Since no importance has been given to the
Richas of the Vedas on Doordarshan and
AIR, I would Ike to know whether the Minis-
try is aware of the fact that the very word
Vedas' means the treasure of knowledge?
Is it also not a fact that the Government of
India has recognised the Vedas not only as
a religious text, but also as a source of
knowledge and on the basis of this recogni-
tion, the Government has set up a Rashtriya
Ved Vidya Pratishthan?

MR. SPEAKER: Please ask your ques-
tion.

PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT: In view
of this recognition, is it not the duty of the
Ministry to disseminate the knowledge as
contained in the Vedas to the people? Is it
not necessary to publicised it for this very
reason also that the Vedas are the origin of
many cultural sects of our country?

[English]

SHRI P. UPENDRA: As a matter of
policy, AIR and Doordarshan do not encour-
age ritualistic religious broadcasts by the
stations. However, in pursuance of their
policy, that programmes should help
strengthen the moral fibre of the people, AIR
and TV draw upon the experience of the
people and the followers of all the religions of
India, and use extracts from the sacred lit-
eratures. This endeavour is reflected in the
musical and spoken words programmes.

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Beyond this, wo cannot do anything.

(nansfatfon)

PROF. RASA SNGHRAWAT: Will the
Doordarshan and AR riot prepare their
programmes with a view to spreading the
massage of Vadas and bringing tha masses
cbse to the knowledge of Vedic aesthetics,
music, mathematics, social We, architecture
and science as contained in the Vedas?

{EngSstH

SHRI P. UPENDRA: I have already
informed that we cannot broadcast these
things. But in many programmes, in semi-
classical and classical programmes, bhakti
tangeet is being given. Beyond this, we
cannot do anything.

[Translation!

SHRI SATYANARAYAN JAT1A: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, in his reply to this question, the
ton. Minister has expressed his desire in
favour of such broadcasts and it is a matter
of joy that the AIR is going to broadcast
programmes related to Vedas. It has also
baan stated in the reply that programmes of
classical music are also broadcast on Door-
darahan. Songs of devotional nature in clas-
sical style are also telecast in the transmis-
sions of Doordarshan but the treasure of
knowledge of educative value enshrined in
ha Vedas are universally accepted and they
do not go against anybody's interest

teachings of the Vedas. So, I would lice to
know from the hon. Minister through you
whether these small shlokas from the Vedas
will be telecast on Doordarshan?

[English)

SHRI P. UPENDRA: Some stations of
AH India Radb are giving sometimes slokas
from the Vedaa but not as a regular features
everyday. My earlier answer also relates
only to dally programmes. But occasionally
these are ghren whenever the occasions

SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE:
Naturally I have no objection of Sutras from
Vadas are also popularised but it should be
such Sutras which agree with our Constitu-
tion and Directive Principles. Other religions
are also there. They have also simlar ap-
peals. When the Government would take up
the religious things, would they consider
both these aspects and in consideration of
that alone will they fix up anything?

SHRI P. UPENDRA: As I mentioned,
some stations like Mathura, Pondicherry
Dharwar, eta occasionally broadcast slokas
from Vedas. Similarly Hyderabad and Sri-
nagar Kendras of All India Radio give recita-
tion from the Quran Sharief . Jullundur Sta-
tion All India Radio and Doordarshan also
broadcast and telecast excerpts from the
Gurbani. And whenever Christian festivals
come, the religious chorus are also telecast
and broadcast.

*Om Vishwanidev saviturduritani para- [ Translation]

suva,

Yadbhadram tannasuva."

God, the Almighty, make everyone
happy and prosperous by removing their
unhappiness. It does not go against any-
body. Nobody will object to it Then what is
the problem in telecasting such things of
knowledge and science in the form of max-
ims on Doordarshan. This will help to dis-
seminate and popularism the knowledge and

SHRI KAPIL DEV SHASTRI: Mr.
Speaker, Sir, Vedas are the most ancient
treasure of knowledge of the world. It is
known to the entire world that before the
Vedas, there was no book in the world. Since
Vedas are the most ancient treasure of
knowledge of the world and all other relig-
ions have taken teachings from them. I would
like to know what hesitation is there on the
part pf Doordarshan and AIR in telecasting
these shlokas?

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[English]

SHRI P. UPENDRA: There is no hesita-
tion on our part These are telecast and
broadcast occasionally depending on the
occasion.

SHRI P. UPENDRA: It is a suggestion
for action. We will consider it.

[Translation]

SHRI RAJVIR SINGH: Mr. Speaker,
Sir, I would like to ask the hon. Minister
through you whether he wants 80 crore
people of this country to shun the Vedicpath
of knowledge which finds a universal recog-
nition and which provides inumerable topics
of research to the scholars working on the
Vedas in Germany and other countries? To
enrich the knowledge of the masses of this
country, the shbkas of Vedas and the trans-
lated version thereof should be transmitted
on doordarshan and AIR. I would like to
know as to what steps are proposed to be
taken by the Government in this regard?

[English]

SHRI P. UPENDRA: I have already
answered that question. There is no hesita-
tion or reluctance. But as a policy we are not
doing it everyday.

SHRI A.K. ROY: In Vedas two types of
slokas are there— one glorifying some God,
the other glorifying the nature. An element of
atheism is also there. I would like to know
from the hon. Minister while broadcasting
different religions and all that, will be broad-
cast also the elements of atheism which are
there.

WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
[English]

Report of National Committee on
Tourism

•991. SHRI MITRA SEN YADAV: Will
the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government have exam-
ined the recommendations contained in the
Report submitted by the National Committee
on Tourism some time back;

(b) if so, the Government's reaction to
various recommendations made by the said
Committee recommendation-wise; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA HAL
MALIK): (a) and (b). The main recommenda-
tions of the National Committee on Tourism
and the reaction of the Government in re-
spects of them are as given below:

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(c) The recommendations are useful for
development of turism infrastructure and
thereby increasing the flow of turists both
domestic and international.

Non-Resident Indians

*992. SHRI DHARMESH PRASAD
VARMA:
SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA
RAJE:

Wtllthe Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state:

(a) the country-wise number of Non-
Resident Indians around the world and the
amount so far invested by them in India
including in Foreign Currency Non-Resident
(FCNR) deposits in banks and in other ar-
eas: and

(b) the policy of Government to tap Non-
ReskJent Indian resources in the current five
year plan?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MAOHU DANDAVATE): (a) No specific
census of NRIs is available. The total invest-
ments made by Non-Resident Indians as on
31.1.1990 inclusive of bank deposits
amounted to nearly Rs. 19,000 crores,
cumulatively.

(b) It is the policy of Government to
provide all necessary facilities and incen-
tives to the Non-Resident Indians to invest in
India.

Proposal of Indo-lnternational Bank

Limited

•993. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO BRA-
HAMBHATT: Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether the First Indo-lnternational

Bank Limited (FIIB) will bring in equity
NRI deposits;

(b) If so, the details thereof and
amount which will be non-repairabie;

(c) Whether Government have coi
ered the proposal made by the Preside
Indo-NRI Chamber of Commerce and
ture in this regard;

(d) If so, the details of the proposa
forward by the FIIB;

(e) Whether Government have coi
ered the proposal; and

(f ) If so, the time by which final dec
is likely to be taken?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (S
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) to (f). The
Indo-lnternational Bank Ltd., Nassau, B
mas, a bank set up by Indian non-resid
in November, 1988 had approached
serve Bank of India in July, 1989 to i
them to open a branch in Bombay to mot
NRI investments/deposits. The Bank's
plication has not been considered favc
bly by Reserve Bank of India. The Bank
since requested Reserve Bank of Ind
reconsider its decision.

Setting up of Tourist Complex in
Kanyakumarl

*994. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the M
ter of TOURISM be pleased to state:

(a) whether4here is any proposal ui
consideration of Union Government for
ting up of a tourist complex in Kanyaku
District of Tamil Nadu with the collabor<
of Japan:

(b) if so, the details thereof: and

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

8TRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS

MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-

OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL

IK): (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

m% Ram "Smuggling on tha Riaa"

•995. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT:
tha Minister of FINANCE be pleased to

»:

(a) whether according to various anti-
ggling organisations operating in the
rtry, it has been revealed that smuggling
ties have increased considerably since
past one decade as reported in the
lustan Times dated 28 and 29 April,

(b) if so, whether the report prepared by
ntelligence Wing in September, 1989 in
iteration with anti-smuggling organisa-
has since been examined; and

(c) if so, the details of the report and the
ler steps contemplated by Government
ake anti-smuggling organisations more
*ive?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
)HU DANDAVATE): (a) It is not possible
ftimate whether smuggling activities have
)ased during the past decade and if so to
t extent. The value of seizures effected
le Customs authorities over the past few
s as given in the table show an increas-
rend. This need not necessarily indicate
►urt in smuggling but could be due to
isified anti-smuggling efforts.

TABLE

r Value of seizures

(Rs. in crores)

> 1 95.63

Year

Value of seizures
(Rs. in crores)

1986

1987

1988

1989

1990
(upto April)

217.52

251.47

443.14

554.59

223.38 (Provisional)

(b) No such report has been prepared
by any of the intelligence agencies under this
Ministry.

Writing off Loana of Farmers, Artisans

and Weavera

*996. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MANDAL:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government have formu-
lated the detailed scheme of debt relief to
farmers, artisans and weavers who had taken
loans upto Rs.1 0,000 from various banks, in
consultation with the RBI and the NABARD;

(b) if so. the details thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) to (c). The
Government of India had announced its
decision for providing debt relief for farmers,
artisans and weavers who had taken loans
upto Rs. 10,000/- from public sector banks,
regional rural banks and cooperative banks.
The Government has formulated the Agri-

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cultural and Rural Debt Relief Scheme, 1 990.
The sal lent features of the Scheme are given
in the attached statement.

STATEMENT

(i) Salient features of Agricultural and
Rural Debt Relief Scheme, 1990
of the Central Government

(d) The surviving family of the
ceased borrower on whom
loan liability has devolved.

(e) The farmer who had filed in
vency petitions or who had
ready been declared insoh
and fulfills the conditions rr
tioned above.

(1 ) Relief will cover all short-term and
term overdues advanced by public
sector banks, regional rural banks,
co-operatives including and devel-
opment banks, as on 2nd October,
1989.

(2) Relief will be available to the bor-
rowers whose principal amount
from one or more banks, regional
rural banks or cooperatives does
not exceed Rs. 10,000/.

(3) The waiver of the principal and
interest amounts will be allowed
upto a limit of Rs. 10,000/-.

(4) The benefit of debt relief will be
available to the following catego-
ries of borrowers;

(a) Non-wilful defaulter farmer who
is determined by the Annewari
System applied on the village
basis.

(b) Non-wilful defaulter, artisans/
wheavers who committed default
in repayment of his loan due to
adverse circumstances.

(c) Defaulter farmers, artisans and
weavers with 'Chronicoverdues',
i.e. overdues which have re-
mained unpaid for more than 3
years from the cut off date i.e.
1.10.1989.

(5) Identification of borrowers
determination of eligible loans
be done by the Manager of e
branch of the public sector ban
regional rural bank. He will i
have the authority to sanction
relief to the borrower so identi
and determined, under the Sche

(6) The manager of the lead ban
each of the block wi II act as a o
dinator for the implementatioi
the scheme and will conv
meetings of the managers of c
cemed branches of public se
banks, regional rural banks, c
tral cooperative banks, land de
opment banks and block deve
merit off icers/tehsiidarto detern
the total principal amount of I
taken by each borrower and to v<
other conditions relevant to
scheme.

(7) Borrowers will be advised in wri
by the Manager of the branch at
the extent of relief provided,
closure of the account if it is 1
settled and the reply the bala
amount wherever applicable.

Women Employees In MEL, Chandra

•997. SHRI S.B. THORAT: Will
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be plea
to state:

(a) whether Government are awan

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complaints against some senior officers of
Maharashtra Electrosmelt Ltd., Chandrapur,
indulging in harassment of women empby-

(b) if so, whether these complaints have
been enquired into; and

THE MINISTEROF STEEL ANDMINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Gov-
ernment are not aware of such a complaint.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Recommendations of Agricultural
Credit Review Committee

*998. SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MUR-
THY: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government and the Re-
serve Bank of India have since further their
views on the recommendations of the Agri-
cultural Credit Review Committee Appointed
by the Reserve Bank of India;

(b) if so, the main recommendations of
the Committee, views of Government and
the Reserve Bank of India thereon and the
action plan to implement the recommenda-
tions accepted by Government; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) to (c). The Agri-
cultural Credit Review Committee (Chair-
man, Prof. A.M. Kusro) has reviewed the
working of the rural financial system in the
country and evaluated the major problems
and issues currently affecting the same. The

more important recommendations of the
Committee are:

(1 ) Interest rates structure on Agricul-
tural Advances may not be com-
plex and the extent of concessbn-
alrty of such loans should be re-
duced;

(2) Regional Rural Banks may be
merged with Sponsor Banks

(3) Agricultural and Rural Development
Corporation should be established
for the Eastern and North Eastern
Region;

(4) National Cooperative Bank of India
should be set up; and

(5) Crop Insurgence Corporation
should be set up.

The recommendations are under con-
sideration of Government of India, Reserve
Bank of India and National Bank for Agricul-
ture and Rural Development.

Effect of Single European Market on
Indian Trade

•999. SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether Government have assessed
the effect of single European market on
Indian trade;

(b) if so, the details thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b). Yes,

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if. Apart from various studies by different
Government and industrial organisations, q
Committee of 5 Ambassadors have under-
taken detailed studies to assess the impact
of integration of European Market by 1992
on Indian trade.

(c) Various steps are being taken to
meet the requirement of the emerging situ-
ation in Europe which, of the proposed
measures; follow-up of the new standards
being evolved in Europe; interaction with
forums of industries and trade; efforts to
promote warehousings etc. in Europe.

Central Assistance to Orissa

* 1000. SHRI SAMARENDRA KUNDU:
Wifl the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Union Government have
given or propose to give any financial assis-
tance to Orissa to meet the Budgetary deficit
of the State, particularly in view of high
density of population below poverty line; and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) and (b). Plan-
ning Commission have suggested additional
accommodation by way of special loans,
advance plan assistance etc. , to the Govern-
ment of Orissa to bridge the gap in resources
for fully funding the Annual Plan for 1 990-91 .
The above proposal is under consideration.

Death Claims Pending with UC

•1001. SHRI LK. ADVANI:

SHRI KALPNATH SONKAR:

Willthe Minister of FINANCEbe pleased
to state:

(a) the number of death claims pending
with the Life Insurance Corporation, State-
wise;

(b) the number of such claims which are
five years or more old; and

(c) the steps Government propose to
take to pay claims to such widows who do
not have grown up children, at their door
steps so that they do not have to run from
pillar to post in their depressed state?

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) and (b). The
number of death claims outstanding with the
Life Insurace Corporation of India as on 31 st
March, 1989 were 14456 out of which 826
death claims were outstanding for more than
2 years which were further reduced as on
28th February, 1990 to 412. LIC does not
keep separate statistics of death claims which
are outstanding for 5 years or more. The
Corporation also does not maintain the sta-
tistics of death claims State-wise. However,
the Lone-wise statistics covering all the
States/Union Territories are maintained
separately which, as on 31.3.1989, are as
under:--

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(c) In the normal course, all death claims
get disposed of within a period of 2 years,
except difficult cases namely where titles or
other legal disputes are involved. The Cor-
poration endeavours to settle as many as
death claims as possible within 75 days of
information of death. But in respect of early
death claims where investigation and calling
of more requirements become necessary,
efforts are made to settle claims within a
period of one year from the date of informa-
tion of death. In order to settle the claims
expeditiously, all possible help is given by
the Agents, Development Officers and offi-
cials of the Servicing Branch to the claimants
in getting the requirements completed. Thus
the LIC has a proper system to ensure prompt
settlement of claims.

ADB's Debt Report

Exploration of Mneralsh Maharashtra

M003.SHRIVASANrSATVE:WltheMn8s-
ter of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the Geological Survey of
India has conducted any survey for finding
mineral deposits in Maharashtra;

(b) if so, the estimated quantity of vari-
ous mineral deposits in Maharashtra sepa-
rately and the quantity of minerals exca-
vated every year indicating the value thereof
during the last three years till 31 March,
1990; .

M002. SHRI M.V. CHAN-

DRASHEKARA MURTHY: Will the Minister
of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have received
from the Asian Development Bank detailed
report regarding India's foreign debt;

(d) whether assistance from interna-
tional agencies have been sought/availed
for development of mineral in Maharashtra;
and

(e) if so, the details with progress
thereof?

(b) whether suggestions have been
received from the Asian Development Bank
for refurnishing certain data; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Does not arise.

THE MINISTER OF STEEL ANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) The Geo-
logical Survey of India, the Directorate of
Geology and Mining, Govt, of Maharashtra
and other Central/State Agencies have
conducted surveys for finding mineral de-
posits in Maharashtra

(b) The reserves estimated are as given
below: —

(In million tonnes)

Bauxite

87.721

China clay
Coal

3.258

5,075.40

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Copper ore — 0.141

Dolomite — 217.102

Fire Clay — 5.437

Iron Ore (Haematite) — 181.550

Manganese ore — 15.161

Hmenite (sand) — 4.129

Kyanite & Sillimanite — 0.960

Limestone — 3,455.572

Tungsten ore — 6.006

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(d) An agreement singed on 12th May,
1 988 between Mineral Exploration Corpora-
tion Ltd. and Bureau De Recherches Geob-
giquews Et Minieres (BRGM) of France for
implementing a joint project for exploration
and development of Tin and Tungsten de-
posits in India through transfer of Technol-
ogy in Mineral Exploration covers the Khobna
tungsten deposit in Nagpur district, Mahar-
asthra.

(e) Work to evaluate the oxidised zone
of the tungsten ore body, exp;k>ratory drilling
and deep pitting as recommended by the
Joint Task Force is under implementation.

Representations from Kerala Against
New Import-Export Policy

•1004. PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Will the
Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether representations have been
received from Kerala against the new Im-
port-Export Policy;

(b) if so, the main points in the represen-
tations; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The main points in the representa-
tion were that the new Import and Export
Policy in respect of agricultural and planta-
tion products— coconut oil, copra, natural
rubber, coir yearn, cocoa and spices would
have adverse effects on the farmers of Ker-
ala;

(c) There has been no change in Import
and Export policy for the above mentioned
items except for nutmeg and mace. Import of
these two items which was earlier allowed
under Open General Licence by all persons

for stock and sale has been tightened by
being brought into the licensaMe category in
the new Import and Export Policy.

Court Cases of KZJL Udpipur

•1005. SHRIKAILASHMEGHWAL: Will
the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state:

(a) the number of cases other than
pertaining to labour laws by and against the
Hindustan Zinc Limited, Udaipur and its
various units pending In Lower, High and
Supreme Courts alongwhh names of the
parties and issues involved;

(b) since when these cases are pending
and the present position of the cases; and

THEMINISTEROFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) and (b). A
statement is laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library. Please No. See No. LT —
1150/90]

Stagnation In Promotion in Ministries /

Departments

•1006. SHRI P.R. KUMARAMANGA-
LAM: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are aware
there is acute stagnation in promotions in
Group 'C and 'D' posts in Ministries/Depart-
ments of Union Government;

(b) if so, whether there is any proposal
to give automatic promotion in Group 'C* and

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D' posts after a specific period; and

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) Government are
aware that there are some cadres in Group
'C* and 'D' posts without promotional ave-
nues or with inadequate promotional pros-
pects.

(b) and (c). In Central Government, posts
at various levels are created on need-based
considerations. In case posts at promotional
levels are not functionally justified/required,
the same may not be created simply to
provide more promotional avenues and for
removing stagnation. However, based on
the demand of the Staff Side of National
Council (JCM), the Government is examin-
ing whether at least one promotion in the
service career of the Group 'C and 'D'
Government servants can be provided.

[Translation]

Sale by Maganese ore India Ltd.

M007. PROF. MAHADEO

SHIWANKAR: Will the Minister of STEEL
AND MINES be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Manganese Ore India
Ltd. sold last year manganese ore to a firm
much below the prevailing international rate;

(b) if so, the facts thereof;

(c) whether any memorandum was
received from the manganese Ore India Ltd.
Staff Welfare Association alleging malprac-
tice in the deal;

, (d) if so, whether the allegations have

been enquired into; and

corrective steps taken?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW XNlfjUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) No.
Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(d) and (e). The allegations were looked
into and were found to be not substantiated.

[English]

Japanese Aid to India

10401 . SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Japanese Prime Minis-
ter who visited India in April has decided for
a marginal increase in bilateral aid to India;

(b) if so, to what extent it has been
increased; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). During his recent visit the
Japanese Prime Minister had indicated that
Government of Japan is likely to extend Yen
Loans in the region of about Yen 1 00 billion
in the current financial year. This represents
an increase of Yen 3.29 billion over the last
year's committment of Yen 96.7 billion Yen.

Closed Rolling Mills In Bihar

1 0402. SHRI A.K. ROY: Will the Minis-
ter of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to
state:

(e) if so, the outcome thereof and the

(a) the names of the rolling mills lying

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closed in Dhanbad district of Bihar?

, (h) ^^ arnqunt of capital blocked and
the persons unemployed as a result thereof ;

(d) the steps taken/proposed to be taken
to reopen these mills?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) to (d).
The information is being collected and will be
laid on the Table of the House.

[ Translation]

Temporary Employees In Ranchl
Doordarshan Kendra

10403. SHRI R.LP. VERMA: Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether some temporary employ-
ees in Doordarshan Kendra, Ranchi are
working there since its inception but they are
not being made permanent;

(b) whether these employees are not
being paid even the minimum wages;

(d) if so, when and the steps being taken
to pay the minimum wages?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) Yes, Sir. Some employees
have been engaged, on casual basis, against
those posts which have not been filled upon
regular basis.

(b) No, Sir.

(c) No, Sir. The rules do not permit the
appointment of casual employees, on a
regular basis, unless they compete for regu-
lar appointment.

(d) Does not arise.

Poppy Cultivation In Rejasthan

10404. SHRI GULAB CHAND
KATARIA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a)whetherGovernmentproposetogive
'Pattas' to the farmers engaged in poppy
cultivation in Rajasthan;

(b) if so, when and if not, the reasons
therefor;

(c) whether this cultivation is a source of
improvement in the economic condition of
farmers and foreign exchange is also earned
thereby;

(d) if so, whether Government propose
to increase its production;

(e) whether Government contemplate
to set up a factory based on poppy in Rajast-
han; and

.(f) if so, when?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (d). License for poppy cultivation
are Issued in October/November to the farm-
ers who are eligible for such licence in accor-
dance with the conditions for grant of licence
decided by the Government every year.
Opium poppy cultivation in a source of im-
provement of the econom ic condition of farm-
ers and foreign exchange is also earned by
the Government of India from export of opium
to foreign countries. Production of opium in
India is mainly export oriented. Indian opium
has been facing stiff competition in the inter-

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al market from alternative raw mate-
amely, concentrate of poppy straw
has, inter alia, resulted in decline in
exports and accumulation of stocks.
i. Government do not propose to in-
» the production of opjum.

) and (f ). There is no such proposal at

th)

yQ of Jobs by SBI from Calcutta to
Bombay

)405. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA:
e Minister of FINANCE be pleased to

i) whether the State Bank of India has
I various important jobs, e.g. inter
1 reconciliation work, traveller cheques,
om Calcutta to Bombay which has
>d in the curtailment of employment
ialrty as well as the loss of economic
ance of West Bengal; and

i) if so, the action proposed to be taken
vemment in this regard?

HE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
TRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
a) and (b). State Bank of India (SBI)
ported that it had transferred certain
om Calcutta long back on business
anagement considerations in the light
actors and developments obtaining at
iterial time. SBI has further reported
9 bank has no proposal to transfer any
*ectk>n/item of work from Calcutta.

xording to SBI the shiftingAransf er of

i sections/items of work from Calcutta

3t resulted in any reduction in the

employment potentiality in West

Re-constltution of Boards of Directors
of Nationalised Banks

10406. SHRI A. VUAYARAGHAVAN:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government have any plan
to re-constitute the Boards of Directors of the
nationalised banks; and

(b) if so, the time by which these Boards
are likely to be reconstituted?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). The Board of Directors of
the nationalised banks is a continuing entity
and vacancies of directors that arise are
filled up from time to time. At present there
are certain vacancies of non-official direc-
tors on the Boards of all the 20 nationalised
banks. It is the endeavour of the Govern*
ment to fill up these vacancies as early as
possible after making a review of earlier
appointments.

Incentive to Award Winning Export

Firms

1 0407. SHRI PARASRAM BH ARDWAJ:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether any suggestion has been
made by the Associated Chamber of Com-
merce and Industry of India to initiate a
shceme to grant special facilities to the award
winning export firms so as to provide them
sufficient encouragement to increase for-
eign exchange earnings; and

(b) if so, Government's reaction thereto?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREPQHARM\Y ^\ta^\x.

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(b) Does not arise.

Percentage of time taken by advertise-
ment on T.V

10408. DR.VENKATESHKABDE:Will
the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROA-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) the percentage of time taken by
advertisements on T.V.;

(b) the revenue earned through such
advertisemets during three years;

(d) the details of any scheme to evalu-
ate the effect of advertisement on minds of
children and adolescents?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) The duration of time taken
for telecast of advertisements on Door-
darshan, at present, is around 3 per cent of
the total transmission time.

(b) The gross commercial revenue of
Doordarshan for the lastthree financial years
was Rs. 507.69 crores.

(d) A study undertaken a few year
on Sociological effects of TV advertise
reveals that, by and large, these are im
ing, entertaining and informative hav
negative influence on society.

Export of Vegetables from Ken

10409. SHRI MULLAPPALLY F
CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of
MERCE be pleased to state:

(a) the total quantity and value of
tables exported from Kerala to th<
Countries during 1987-1988 and 198

(b) the incentives/facilities being g
to exporters of Kerala for increased e
to Gulf;

(c) whether his Ministry had ret
any representation against the reduc
air cargo space allotted by Air India to I
Exporters from Trivandrum, Cochii
Calicut, if so, the details thereof; and

(d) the action taken by Governrr
this regard?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHR
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) The total
tity and value of vegetables exporter
Kerala to the gulf countries during X\
three years are indicated below: —

Year

Oty. (MT)
(Estimated)

Value (RsJLa
(Estimated

1 987-88

1 988-89

1 989-90

5242
5968
7120

310
350
477

Source: Kerala State Industrial Enterprises Ltd., Trivandrum.

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(b) Incentives such as Cash Compen-
satory Support, Import replenishment etc.
tor increasing export of fresh vegetables are
granted to all exporters including exporters
of Kerala.

(c) and (d). The Agricultural Product
and Processed Food Exporters Association,
Trivandrum had represented about the re-
duction of cargo space allocated to Trivan-
drum by Air India. The matter was taken up
with Ministry of Civil Aviation who have in-
formed that the cut has since been restored
by Air India effective 1 5th April, 1 990.

Relaxation In Immigration Formalities
for Convenience of Foreign Tourists

10410. SHRI M.M. PALAM RAJU: Will
the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to

state:

(a) the details of major changes in terms
of relaxation in immigration formalities im-
plemented for the convenience of foreign
tourists; and

(b) the further steps proposed to be
taken by Government to reduce formalities
for foreign travellers to the country?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) There seems to be no scope for
further relaxations in immigration formalities
tor the convenience of foreigners as gener-
ally it takes not more than 2 minutes to clear
the passengers at the immigration counter.
Foreign tourist groups coming without visa
can be granted landing permit facilities upto
a maximum period of 30 days by the immi-
gration Officers provided the tour is spon-
sored by recognised Indian travel Agencies.

(b) Procedure to obtain 'exit permission'

for the foreigners registered with the foreign-
ers Regional Officers at the four Metropoli-
tan cities i.e. Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta and
Madras has been simplified, now foreigners
registered with FRRO's at Delhi, Bombay,
Calcutta and Madras obtain exit permission
from the Airport at the time of departure.

Assistance to Kerala for Tourism

1 041 1 . SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the
Minister of TOURISM be pleased to state:

(a) the assistance provided for the
development of tourism in Kerala during
1989-90;

'(b) the total amount spent in that sector
and the achievement made during that year;

(d) whether the Government of Kerala
has submitted any schemes or projects in
this regard; and

(e) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) and (b).'The Central Depart-
ment of Tourism sanctioned projects/
schemes amounting to Rs. 85.02 lakhs dur-
ing 1 989-90, whereas the total assistance
released during the year for the new and on-
going projects was Rs. 170.13 lakhs.

(c) to (e). Financial assistance to State
Governments is extended on their specific
proposals. The State Government of Kerala
has yet to formulate and submit detailed
project reports along with estimates for central
financial assistance for the year 1990-91.

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[Translation]

Flood Relief Assistance to Bihar

10412. SHRI DEVENDRA PRASAD
YADAV: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) the steps being taken by Union
Government to check devastating floods in
Bihar;

(b) the total financial assistance sanc-
tioned to Bihar out of the Flood Relief Fund
during the last three years; and

under consideration of Govt, to provide flood
relief in the aforesaid State?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Comprehensive plans for flood
management for all the river systems in
Bihar have been prepared by Ganga Flood
Control Commission and sent to the Stale
Govt, for taking follow up action.

(b) The amount of Central assistance
released to Bihar State during the last three
years for floods and other natural calamities
is as under:

Year

Calamity

Central assistance released

including margin money

(Rs.crs.)

1987-88
1988-89

1989-90

Flood

Earthquake, localised floods,
etc.

Floods and other localised
calamities like drought, fire, etc.

54.329

16.875

0.560

(c) The recommendations of the Ninth
Finance Comm ission relating to setting up of
Calamity Relief Fund for each State have
been accepted by the Central Govt, and the
arrangements for the custody and operation
of the Fund are being worked out. For Bihar
State, the contribution to the Fund, every
year during the Ninth Finance Commission
period will be Rs. 26.25 crores by the Centre
and Rs. 8.75 crores by the State.

[English]

Simplification of Tax Laws

10413. SHRI SRIKANTHA DATTA
NARSIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Wili the Min-
ister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Greater Mysore Cham-
ber of Commerce had suggested simplifies-

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ten of tax laws and speedy reforms to usher
in uniformity in the matter of classification of
excusable goods and other procedural is-

(b) whether Government have exam-
ined those suggestions; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). Simplification of tax laws and
speedy reforms to usher in uniformity in the
matter of classification of excusable goods
and other procedural issues is a continuous
process. Various Associations and Federa-
tions of Chambers of Commerce and Indus-
try make suggestions from time to time in this
regard. The Government keep in view all
such suggestions while framing/reviewing
its policies and evolving/simplifying proce-
dures.

Joint Venture with Australia

10414. SHRI GOPI NATH GAJAPA-
THI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether steps nave been taken oy
Government to establish joint ventures with
Australia;

(b) and (c). It was agreed at the first
meeting of the Indo-Australia Joint Ministe-
rial Commission in July, 1 989 that both sides
will strive for doubling trade turnover to 1 .2
bn. dollars by 1992 between the two coun-
tries.

(d) A Statement is given below:

STATEMENT

Thefolmving steps-inter-alia have been/
are being taken to promote trade between
India and Australia

(i) Increasing contacts between Indian
and Australian businessmen
through the forum of regular meet-
ings of the India-Australia Joint
Business Opuncil.

(ii) Holding of annual trade talks
through established mechanism of
Joint Trade committee (JTC).

Holding of meeting of the Joint
Ministerial Commission with Aus-
tralia.

(iv) Increased participation in interna-
tional exhibitions held in Australia.

(v) Holding of exclusive displays of
Indian products in Australia through
the assistance of Market Advisory
Service of Australian Government.

(b) whether any Memorandum of under-
standing had been signed with that country
in 1989-90 for expansion of trade;

(d) the plan of Government with regard
to the expansion of Indo-Australian trade in
1990-91?

(vi) Holding of Buyer-Seller Meets in
Australia

(vil) Exchange of Trade Delegations
between the two countries.

Criteria for selection of Press Persons
for Accompanying P.M. During his

Tours

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Yes, Sir.

10415. SHRI DHARAMPAL SINGH
GUPTA: Will the Minisiar of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

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(a) the criteria for selection of press
persons to accompany the Prime Minister
during his tours in the country and outside
the country; and

(b) whether consideration is given in
State-wise selection of press persons ac-
companying the Prime Minister.

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). The main criterion
of selection is the best possible coverage. In
foreign tours, the guiding factor of selection
is to secure the best possible coverage for
India's foreign policy initiatives and the Prime
Minister's visits. Weightage is given to per-
sons having experience in covering interna-
tional affairs. Representation is given to
regional language newspapers, to the extent
possible.

Posting of Husband and Wife at same

Station

10416. SHRIJ.CHOKKA RAO: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether there is any policy for post-
ing of officers/employees of nationalised
banks at the same station with their spouses
employed in Central Government/State
Government department; and

spouses does not belong to banks are not
covered under the above guidelines. Under
the Officers Services Regulations, applicable
to banks officers, they have all India transfer
liability and due to administrative reasons,
their transfers may be unavoidable and,
therefore, it has not been possble to allow
any blanket exemption for officers of the
banks from the transfer on the ground that
the other spouse belongs to the State/Cen-
tral Government.

In terms of Sastry Award applicable to
award staff employees, they are, normally,
not transferred outside the language areas
in which they are serving.

Entrepreneur Development Programme
Conducted by SBI

10417. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Wil
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the State Bank of India
conducted Entrepreneur Development Pro-
gramme from November 17 to December
16, 1985 for South Arcot at Neyveli;

(b) if so, the details thereof,

(c) whether after successfully complet-
ing that programme some of the trainees
were instructed to submit project report for
securing bans;

(b) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). In view of the instructions
applicable to Govt, employees but keeping
in mind the factors peculia to the banking
industry, administrative requirements of the
banks and transf norms, etc., banks have
been advised to emulate a policy to post
husband and wif -» at the same station where
both of th m work i the same bank or in
different banks. Ca as where either of the

(d) if so, their number and how many of
them have been given loans; and

(e) the steps being taken to sanction
bans to remaining trainees who have sub-
mitted project reports?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). State Bank of India (SBI)
conducted an Entrepreneur Devebpment
Programme (EDP) from 1 9.1 1 .85 to 17.1 2.85
at Neyveli for Souty Arcot District. 24 partici-

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pants were trained in various aspects of tton or by the State Government in the State
entrepreneurship. of Madhya Pradesh;

(c) to (e). AM the participants to the
training programme were advised to submit
their projects. However, only 4 participants
submitted the projects for sanction of loans.
Out of which, two were sanctioned assitance
for their projects. One was not found viable
and the fourth applicant could not be as-
sisted due to his indebtedness prior to his
training programme.

[Translation]

Development of Tourist Centres In
Chattisgarh District of Madhya Pradesh

10418. SHRI RESHAM LAL JANGDE:
Will the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state:

(a) the details of the places where board-
ing and lodging facilities are being provided
by the India Tourism Development Corpora-

(b) the amount spent for the develop-
ment of tourism in Chattisgarh district of
Madhya Pradesh during the last three years;

(c) whether there is any proposal under
consideration of Union Government to de-
velop Moramdev Ratanpur, Sirpur, Dante-
wada, Rajm, Sheorinarayan as tourist
centres; and

(d) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) Boarding and lodging facilities
are provided at the following places by India
Tourism Development Corporation and/or
by the State Government in Madhya
Pradesh:—

Bandhavgarh National Park
Bhopal

Kanha National Park

Khajuraho

Mandu

Sagar

Sanchi

Satna

Chrtrakoot

Orchha

Shivpuri

Gwallor

Panchmarhi

Ujjain

Indore

Jabalpur

Piparrya
Rookhad

(b) The Central Department of Tourism
have sanctioned the following schemes in

Chattisgarh districts during the last three
years: —

Amount sanctioned

(Rs. in lakhs)

(i) Cafeteria-cum-toilet facilities at Dantewada

12.54

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(ii) Wayside amenities at Kawardha
ii) Wayside facilities at Bhoramdeo

18.36

3.67

(d) Does not arise.

Compliance of RBI Directions by
Foreign Banks

eign banks not accepting small denomina-
tion notes from the public.

(c) and (d). According to the information
available with RBI, the foreign banks con-
sider loan applications below Rs. five lakh.

10419. SHRIPHOOLCHANDVARMA:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

[English]

Gold Ornaments

(a) whether the foreign banks operating
in the country are complying with the direc-
tions of the Reserve Bank of India regarding
minimum deposits in an account, working
hours, receiving small denomination notes
etc.;

(b) if not, the reasons therefor;

(d) if not, the steps proposed to be taken
against these banks?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL
SHASTRI): (a) and (b). Reserve Bank of
India (RBI) has reported that it has not is-
sued any directive to the banks governing
the maintenance of minimum balance in
deposit accounts. The Indian Bank's Asso-
ciation (ISA) has issued ground rules and
code of ethics in this behalf to be followed by
the member banks. However, it is open to
the member banks to make their own rules in
regard to the minimum balance etc. RBI has
further reported that the foreign banks oper-
ating in India are following the minimum
working hours prescribed by it and that it has
not received any complaints about the for-

10420. SHRIMATI JAYAWANTI NAV-
INCHANDRA MEHTA: Will the Minister of
FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the number of samples collected by
Government in Maharashtra under Gold
Control Act since, 1 988;

(b) the action taken in the regard so far;
and

(c) whether Government propose to
make any provision to indicate any 'Hall
Mark* on all gold ornaments to prevent cheat-
ing by jewellers?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL
SHASTRI): (a) Ninety-two (92)

(b) Of these sixty nine samples relate to
regular seizures such as primary gold for-
eign marked gold eta In remaining cases
samples were taken to determine correct-
ness of stamped purify of gold ornaments at
India Government Mint, Bombay. Out of
these 3 samples were of the declared purity.
In 9 cases notice to Show Cause were is-
sued and 3 cases have been adjudicated
and penalty imposed. 6 cases are pending
finalisation of adjudication and 10 cases

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pending issue of Show Causa Notice.

Export of Agricultural Products

10421. SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGH:
WSIthe Minister of COMMERCE be pleased

to stats:

(a) whether Government propose to
export Agricultural products through the
Ministry of Agriculture;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

Trivandrum does not telecast any pro-
grammes and it is also not possible techni-
cally to beam telecasts toGulf countries from
Trivandrum. There is also no proposal for
broadcasting of Malayalam programmes for
Gulf countries from All India Radio, Trivan-
drum. However, a fullfledged service com-
prising programmes in Hindi, Malayalam and
Arabic directed to the Gulf region is pro-
posed to be introduced as part of the 7th Plan
proposals of All India Radio. The Service will
primarily be directed towards Indian ethnic
Groups in Saudi Arabia, Oman, United Arab
Emirates, North and South Yemem, Kuwait,
Jorden, and parts of Iran and Iraq. The
Service will start as soon as two numbers of
250 KW SW transmitters being installed at
Panaji, for the purpose, are commissioned.

Cinema Theatre In Akashvanl Building

Bombay

(d) how far the proposed change will be
beneficial to farmers?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
AN6ILSREDHARAN):(a) No, Sir.

(b) to (d). Do not arise.

Ttltcastkig of Malayalam Programmes
from Air, Trivandrum

10423. SHRI RAM NAIK: Will the Min-
ister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether a cinema theatre in the
building of Akashvani in Mumbai (Bombay)
Is not being used though it is located in a
prime locality bear Churchgate station;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

10422. SHRI SURESH KODIKKUN-
NIL WiB the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have consid-
**Jto telecast Malayalam programmefrom
AIR, Trivandrum station to Gulf countries
especially to United Arab Emirate; and

(b) if so, the time by which it would start
telecasting the Malayalam programme?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). All India Radio ,

(d) the efforts made to use the theatre
for other purposes including dramas and
public functions?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). There is no cinema
theatre situated \r\ the building of Akashvani
in Bombay. There is an Auditorium in the
A.I.R. Broadcasting House Complex at

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Churchgate, Bombay. This auditorium was
handed over by A.I.R. to the National Film
Development Corporation for screening of
films. However, the auditorium was taken
back from National Film Development Cor-
poration for setting up AIR's Multi-track re-
cording studio.

(c) and (d). After taking back the audito-
rium from National Film Development Cor-
poration in 1988, it is being used for the
purpose of recording of programmes before
invited audiences. Renovation work to make
the auditorium suitable for multi-track re-
cording studio and civil modification works
have already been initiated.

Assistance to Goldsmiths

1 0424. SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM:
SHRI R.N. RAKESH:
SHRI PHOOL CHAND

VARMA: .„
SHRIA.R.ANTULAY:

Willthe Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether Government have assessed
the number of licenced goldsmiths in the
country and their annual demand of gold;

(b) whether there is a propose to give
ban or some relief to the goldsmiths for their
rehabilitation being affected by the Gold
Control Act now repealed;

(d) whether Government have taken
any measures to meet the requirement of
gold in the country; and

(e) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) The number of certified Goldsmiths

in the country was 3,78,416 in 1989. No
assessment is however possible of the annual
demand of gold required by goldsmiths.

(b) No, Sir.

(d) No, Sir.

(e) Gold is not an essential commodity
hence no action has been taken to meet the
requirement of gold in the country.

NRI Investment In the Capital Issues of
Indian Companies

1 0425. SHRI DILIP SINGH JU DEO:
SHRI SHANTARAM

POTDUKHE:

Willthe Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether there is an alarming slump
in the Non-Resident Indian (NRI) invest-
ments in the capital issues of Indian Compa-
nies;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(c) whether even in the domestic money
market, the investors are in a dilemma over
debenture tactics of the Companies; and

(d) if so, the measures Government
propose to take to countenance the situation
and revamp the investment market-both NRI
and domestic investments?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FlNANCE(SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (d). Investors response to the
issue of company depends upon a variety of
factors, including the general state of the
capital market, the marketing effort put in by
the company, its past record, the expecta-
tions and perception of the investors and

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other options available to them. Various steps
for the development of the market and to
protect the interest of investors are taken
from time to time, which is an ongoing proc-
ess and wili continue.

Setting up off Television Transmitters
Unit in Rural Areas off Srlkakulam

10426. DR.VISHWANATHAM:Willthe
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Rural Television Trans-
mitter unit is proposed to be set up in rurai
areas of Srikakulam during 1990-91 ;

(b) if so, the details of the locations; and

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA):(a) to (c). Whereas a tow power
TV transmitter is already functioning at Sri-
kakulam, the high power (10 KM) TV trans-
mitter at Visakhapatnam also provides serv-
ice in parts of Srikakulam district including
rural areas. There is, however, no approved
scheme at present to set up another TV
transmitter in Srikakulam district. It is the
endeavour of the Government to extend TV
service to the remaining uncovered parts of
the country including those in Srikakulam
district as expeditiously as possible, depend-
ent upon the availability of funds for this
purpose.

Loss to ITDC from Tourist Transport

10427. SHRI KASHIRAM RANA: Will
the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state:

(a) whether efforts are going on for
some years to close down/reduce the trans-
port fleet of India Tourism Development

Corporation (ITDC) on the ground that it is
not economically viable to run transport
actMtie* uiwtsr the 1TOQ any, longer;

(b) if so, the details thereof; and

curtail/reduce the losses?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) to (c). The role of ITDC has been
of a catalyst in provkJingtransportation needs
at tourist destinations. It has, therefore, been
the policy of ITDC to withdraw from such
places where private or other transport
operators come forward to cater to the trans-
port needs of Tourists. Accordingly from
1 983 onwards, ITDC closed down nine trans-
port units and has further plans to reduce its
fleet in the coming years so as to retain
ultimately a hard core of about 50 vehicles at
locations, commercially viable. The main
reasons for the toss was provision of com-
petitive transportation facilities by the small
private operators/State Tourism Develop-
ment corporations whose wage costs and
overheads were lower.

Efforts are being made to reduce losses
and improve performance by changing and
enlarging the product mix besides laying
more emphasis on tour and travel activity.
For the year 1 989-90, the Ashok Travels and
Tours' profit is estimated to be of the order of
Rs. 53 lakhs.

Loan from I.M.F.

1 0428. SHRI KALP NATH RAI: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the amount of loan granted by the
International Monetary Fund to India during
the last Financial year;

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(b) whether the same was fully utilised
for the projects for which it was meant; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS*
TRI): (a) No loan was sought from the IMF
during the last financial year.

(b) and (c). Does not arise.

Distribution of Iron and Steel Kerns by

Sail

10429. SHRI KESHARI LAL: Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state:

(a) whether scarce steel items like
Rounds/GP sheets (.S3/.5 mm) in special/
ordinary quality have been released by
Branch Sales Office, SAIL, New Delhi under
TBS/LTC during January-March/April-June,
1 990 by violating distribution norms;

(b) the allocation made percentage wise
for Rounds/GP Sheets in both the qualities
during the above

(b) There is no percentage-wise alloca-
tion for rounds/G.P. Sheets.

(d) whether pre-offers/additional pre-
offers quantities of GP sheets, LFQ were
subsequently changed into ordinary quality
while status 'A' demand for ordinary quality
was pending; and

(e) if so, the quantities so changed
abngwith the details of the Parties and the
reasons for such change?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL ANDMINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) No,
Sir.

(d) When alternative quality
was offered against TBS of January-March,
1989, there were no pending Status 'A*
bookings for the material.

(e) About 1 66 tonnes of ordinary quality
G.P. Sheets were supplied by SAIL to five
parties against LFQ G.P. sheets, so as to
obviate the possibility of payment of penal-
ties against TBS Booking.

Advertising expenditure on Soft Drinks
and Product Cost

10430. SHRI SHIKIHOSEMA: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are aware that
huge expenditure is incurred by the manu-
facturers of soft drinks on the advertising/
publicity resulting in higher cost of the prod-
ucts;

(b) If so, the average cost of publicity
expenditure on each bottle;

(d) if so, the steps taken or proposed to
be taken in this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (d). Information is being collected
and will be laid on the Table of the House in
due course.

Permission tor Testifying of 7 CLs
Outside Wharf Area

1 0431 . PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

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(a) whether permission is proposed to
bo given for destuff ing of 7 CLs outside the
wharf area at, the -shipper's or consignee's
premises;

(b) if not, the reasons therefor; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). It is presumed that the Ques-
tion relates to destuffing of FCLs (Full Con-
tainer Loads) and not 7 CLs.

Normally FCLs are cleared by Customs
in the Customs area which is usually in the
wharf area, and then released for destuffing
and delivery, either in the wharf area, or at
the shipper's/consignee's/importer's prem-
ises. Special permission in selective cases
has been granted for Customs examination
and clearance of FCLs outside the wharf/
Customs area by deputing Customs staff to
consignees premises for the purpose. Cus-
toms examination and clearance is not done
outside the Customs area as a matter of
course mainly due to paucity of staff.

This is the practice followed in the major
ports in India, except in Cochin where des-
tuffing and delivery of container-loads are
done at the wharf area alone. Definite infor-
mation on practice followed in different
coutries abroad is not available. It is under-
stood that in some developed/western coun-
tries pre-Customs cleared FCLs are deliv-
ered for destuffing at importer's premises
and only those FCLs which are selected for
Customs examination are detained for des-
tuffing at the ports for such examination.

Committee Reports on LAC

10432. SHRI RADHA MOHAN
SINGH:
SHRI JANARDAN YADAV:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be
Phased to state:

(a) whether the reports submitted by
M.R. Shivaraman Committee, Committee
on Petitions of RajyaSabhaaodstudygroup <♦
of NABARD for giving minimum remunera-
tive prices to Peasants and workers en-
gaged in the lac trade and for raising stock of
seedlac are pending with Government;

(b) if so, whether Government propose
to implement the recommendations made
by the said Committees; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b). The
reports have been received by the Govern-
ment. It is proposed to implement the recom-
mendations contained therein, as feasible.

Constitution of a Hlgh-Powered Com-
mission on Judicial System

10433. SHRI VENKATA KRISHNA
REDDY KASU:

PROF. VIJAY KUMAR
MALHOTRA:

SHRI Y.S. RAJA SEKHAR
REDDY:

SHRI T. BASHEER:

Will the minister of LAW AND JUSTICE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have taken a
decision to constitute a high-powered Com-
mission to recommend the structuralchanges
in the present judicial system in order to
provide timely justice for the common man;
and

(b) if so, the details in respect of its
composition and terms of reference?

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THEMINISTEROFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
ISMRMMNfiSH GOSWAMI): (a) and (b).
The Government have decided to set up
high-level Judicial Commission for the ap-
pointment of Judges in the High Courts and
the Supreme Court, and for the transfer of
Judges from one High Court to another. Its
composition is given in the Constitution Sixty-
Seventh Amendment Bill, which was intro-
duced in the Lok Sabha on 18.5.1990.

No other Commission is proposed to be
set up at present.

Interest charged by Indian Overseas
Bank, Calcutta

10434. SHRI V. SREENIVASA
PRASAD: Will the minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether the Indian Overseas Bank,
Calcutta has initiated discussions with some
Public Sector Undertakings in connection
with interest charged on some account-hold-
ers of the Bank;

(b) if so, whether any progress has been
made in this regard; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). Indian Overseas Bank has
not initiated discussions with any Public
Sector Undertaking regarding interest con-
cession in any of the accounts.

Workers of Re-rolling Industry

10435. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR
MALHOTRA: Will the Minister of STEEL
AND MINES be pleased to state:

rollers Association regarding the profa
difficulties faced by the workers of th
rolling industry in the country;

(b) if so, the details thereof;

(d) if not, the reasons therefor;

(e) whether Government propose
examined the difficulties of the worker
panel of experts; and

(f) if so, when?

THEMINISTEROFSTEELAND&
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a),
tion has been drawn by the Assoc
towards closure of some re-rolling mil
to inadequate supplies of raw materi
the main producers.

(b) to (d). Availability of semis/
from main producers is less than 20% c
domestic availability i.e. including fro
secondary sector. Increased product
the secondary sector is further bein
couraged. In addition, imports of sen
lets are allowed through MMTC as
against Replenishment/Additional Lice

(e) and (f). No, Sir/Does not arise

[Translation]

Import of Prime coking Coal

10436. SHRI BRU BHUSHA
WARI: Will the Minister of STEEL
MINES be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have received
representations from the All India Steel Re-

fa) the total quantity of prime c
coal being imported annually;

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• annual production of prima cok-
i tha country; and

a reasons for importing it?

MINISTER OFSTEELANDMINES

AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) and
(c). Approximate quantities of coking ooal
Imported by the Integrated SterfPlahtsduring
tha last two years and those planned for tha
current year are given below:

{In mMbn tonnet)

1989-90

1990-91

5.35

5.6

Jer to bridge the quantitative and
i gaps between the requirement
mously available prime quality low
lurglcal coking coal, the Integrated
its resort to imports. The imported
tended with the indigenous coal
i higher ash content percentage in
attain satisfactory technological
rs including desired ash levels.

he production of prime coking coal
untry during 1968-89 was 12.51
ines and was estimated to have
14 million tonnes during 1989-90.

g of India-Pakistan Business
:ll for Women Entrepreneurs

7. SHRI R.N. RAKESH:

SHRI MANIKRAO HODLYA
GAVIT:

the Minister of COMMERCE be
9 state:

whether a meeting of the India-
Business Council for Women En-
irs was held in New Delhi on 30
0;

(b) if so, the details thereof;

(d) the salient features of the discussion
held in the meeting and the suggestions
given to Government by the Council?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANQIL 6REEDHARAN): (a) to (d). The
second meeting of the Joint Business
Women's Council of India and Pakistan was
held in New Delhi on 28th April, 1990. The
participants underlined the need for coop-
eration between the two countries in impart-
ing training in Administrative and Business
Management, for taking up study tours in
India and Pakistan to identify the areas of
mutual cooperation and to improve volume
of trade between India and Pakistan of the
mutual advantage of the two countries. No
suggestions were given by the Council to the
Government.

The following members participated:—

WOMEN'S WING OF NATIONAL ALLI-
ANCE OF YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS
(1) Smt. Neena Malhotra, Chairper-
son

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(2) Smt. Rajni Aggarwal, Chairperson,
International Committee

(3) Smt. Priya Khanna, Vice Chairper-
son

(4) Smt. Shoba Arora, Vice Chairper-
son, Delhi Chamber

(5) Smt. Narinder Pal Kaur, Secretary

PAKISTAN ASSOCIATION OF
WOMEN ENTREPRENEURS (PAWE)

(1 ) Begum Saima Ahmed. President

(2) Bushra Ajmal. Joint Secretary

(3) Frazana Rahman, Secretary, In-
formation

(4) Basra Sultana

(5) Shamina Sultana

Import of Super 301 on Textiles Export

to U.S.A.

10438. SHRI S. KRISHNA KUMAR:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) the impact of U.S. decision to list
India under Super 301, on the export of
textiles; and

(b) the steps being contemplated to
save textile export?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) So far no action
against Indian exports to the United States
has been taken by the US under provisions
of Super 301 . In the circumstances, there is
no question of textiles exports from India to
US being affected by the listing of India

(b) Does not arise.

Smuggling of Stationery

10439. SHRIMATI BASAVA RA
WARl:
SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJ

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pie
to state:

(a) whether large scale smuggRr
stationery from Nepal, Hong Kong and
gapore is posing a major threat to the In
stationery industry; and

(b) if so, the steps taken/proposed 1
taken to check this smuggling?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANIL SI-
TRI): (a) and (b). The information is
readily available. It is being collected arn
be laid on the table of the House.

Sick Tea Gardens

10440. SHRI CHITTA BASU: Wil
Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to s

(a) whether there is any proposal u
consideration of Government for nation
ing some sick tea gardens;

(b) if so, the names of the gardens;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) No, Sir.

(b) and (c). Does not arise.

Stock Markets

10441. SHRI P.M. SAYEED: Wil
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to sta

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(a) whether the PHD chamber of Com-
merce and Industry has pleaded that more
stock markets be set up particularly in the
State capitals;

(b) rf so, the details of the proposals
aJongwith the reasons advanced; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). PHD Chamber of Com-
merce and Industry, in a Memorandum dated
31st October, 1989, had suggested inter
alia, the development of new stock ex-
changes as the existing stock exchanges
would be under service strain on account of
likely increase in the number of registered
companies, as well in number of investors
and volume of transactions by the turn of
century.

Expenditure on Renovation of ITDC

Hotels

10442. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER-
JEE: Will the Minister of TOURISM be
pleased to state:

(a) the details of funds earmarked and
spent by the ITDC for the purpose of addi-
tions, alternations and renovations of its
hotel properties during the last three years,
year-wise and hotel-wise;

(b) the month-wise details of amount
spent on this account during 1 989-90;

(d) if so, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFARS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) The requisite information is
given in the attached statement-l.

(b) The requisite information fe given in
the attached Statement-ll.

(c) and (d). The expenditure booked in
the last month of 1 989-90 has been to the
tune of Rs. 365.72 lakhs against the total
expenditure of the order of Rs. 1164.00
lakhs for the whole year. The figure of Rs.
365.72 lakhs booked in the month of Mar 90
is inclusive of (1 ) Rs. 1 56 lakhs for the works
directly undertaken/executed in the whole
year by various units (for which the advice
was received in Mar 90); (2) Rs. 50 lakhs has
been on account of opening of letter of credit/
payment of custom duty; and (3) a sum of Rs.
50 lakhs paid as mobilisation advances for
future works thereby leaving a balance of
Rs. 1 00 lakhs approximately as having been
spent on addition/alteration/renovation works
during the month of Mar 90 which compares
favourably with the expenditure incurred in
the earlier months.

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SBI Scheme for Small Scale Industries [ Translation}

10443. SHRI SUDHIR GIRI: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the State Bank of India
(SBI) has launched a new scheme known as
"Rehabilitation clinics" to contribute to the
solution of the specific problems faced by the
small scale industries;

(b) if so, the details thereof; and

(c) the number of women entrepreneurs
who are expected to benefit by the cell
opened for them by the SBI during the year
1990?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). State Bank of India has
reported that to expedite f inalisation of reha-
bilitation packages for sick small scale in-
dustries, rehabilitation cells have been cre-
ated at its Zonal Offices with an Administra-
tive Officer (Rehabilitation) incharge of the
Cell. The in-house team consisting of vari-
ous functionaries of the bank also meets
periodically to discuss problems relating to
rehabilitation of the sick units.

Forms of Unit Trust of India In I

10444. KUMARI UMA BHAR
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased

(a) whether some of the form
Unit Trust of India are in English
mostly in English, if so, the numbei
forms:

(b) the number of forms requir
filled in English only; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER I
MINISTRY OFFINANCE(SHRIANII
TRI): (a) to (c). According to the infc
received from UTI, most of their I
present are in English for operatio
sons as data relating to the large nui
Unit holders and timely payment
dends etc. have to be done with th
computers. The UTI has been asked
duce as many forms in Hindi as fes

[English]

Alleged Harassment of Reve
Officials

(c) State Bank of India has reported that
in addition to the various schemes under
small scale and small business finance under
which the women entrepreneurs receive
credit facilities, the bank has lauched a
scheme called N Stree Shakti Package"
whereunder concessions in interest rate and
margins have been given. Underthis scheme
1 .5 lakhs women entrepreneurs have so far
been granted advances and the total out-
standing bans as on December 1989 were
Rs. 86 crores.

10445. SHRI BALASAHEB
PATIL: Will the minister of FINAI
pleased to state:

(a) the details of cases of allec
assment of revenue officials as rep
the Times of India* dated 19th Marc

(b) whether any investigation h
made to find out if any harassment h
caused to the officials as allegec
report;

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(d)the precautionary measures taken, if
any, to eliminate the possbility of recurrence
of such cases of harassment?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI) (a) It has been alleged that one officer
was transferred from Bombay to Bhubanes-
war and later to the madras Staff Training
College and that his promotion was blocked
for more than six years. It has also been
alleged that promotion was denied to an-
other officer by initiating disciplinary action
against him on af limsy charge without inves-
tigation and that the recommendation of the
DPC in his case was out in 'sealed cover*;

(a) whether there is any proposal to set
up a steel scrap yard in Ratlam district of
Madhya Pradesh; and

(b) if so, the details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OFSTEEL AND MINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) No,

Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

[English)

Setting up of Yatrl Niwas In Haryana

10447. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY:
Will the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state:

(b) It is not true that the concerned two
officers were harassed. One officer was
transferred from Bombay to Bhubaneswar
after completion of the tenure of 4 years in
the normal course. From Bhubaneswar, he
was transferred to the Madras Staff Training
College after completion of nearly 4 years in
the normal course. He was recently pro-
moted as Collector of Customs and Central
Excise and posted to Bombay.

In the case of the other officer, the
recommendation of the Departmental Pro-
motion Committee was placed in a sealed
cover because of disciplinary, proceedings
which is the normal practice.

[Translation]

Setting up of Steel Scrap Yard at
Ratlam In Madhya Pradesh

10446. DR. LAXMINARAYAN PAN-
DEYA: Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state:

(a) whether any place in Haryana is
being considered by Government for setting
up of Yatri Niwas; and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Laboratory Facilities In ITDC Hotels

10448. SHRI M.SELVARASU: Will the
Minister of TOURISM be pleased to state:

(a) whether a laboratory was set up in
Ashoka Hotel, New Delhi for conducting
random tests of food materials;

(b) if so, its performance during 1 987-
88 to 1989-90 and the expenditure incurred
thereon during the last three years; and

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) to (c). Primarily for the prestig-
ious CHOGM Conference, a skeleton Chemi-
cal Food Testing Laboratory was set up with
4 employees in 1983 in Ashok Hotel, New
Delhi, which functioned only upto 1986-87.
Two of the four employees left the services
in 1984 and the services of the remaining
two (viz an analyst and a Lab Assistant) are
being utilised by ITDC in its Medical and
Health Wing for assisting its Delhi-based
hotel unit in ensuring compliance of the
provisions of Food and Adulteration Act.
ITDC has not incurred any expenditure on
equipment/machinery for this set up during
last 3 years.

Export of Spices

10449. SHRI D.M. PUTTE GOWDA:

to state:

(a) the target set and quantum of spices

exported during the year 1989-90 and for-
eign exchange, earned;

(b) whether the target of export of
spices during the year 1989-90 had been
achieved;

(d) the steps taken by the Government
to boost the export of spices?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGILSREEDHARAN):(a)and(b). A state-
ment is attached.

(c) Export of spices has exceeded
targets, quantity-wise, although there was a
shortfall, value-wise during 1969-90. This
was mainly because of lesser unit value
realisation and lesser export of pepper, due
to easy supply position in the international
market.

(d) Export promotion measure being
undertaken include publicity campaigns,
participation in trade fairs, organisation of
buyer-seller meets and quality improvement
programmes, in addition to various incen-
tives ike CCS and import replenishment.

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ibution of Iron and SImI Materials

0450. SHRI NAKUL NAYAK:
SHRI KESHARI LAL:

Vill the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
»ased to state:

a) whether Iron and Steel materials
been released by Branch Sales Office,
New Delhi to parties covered by Ad-
Departmental CommitteaXaovemmont
Reports No. 10 and 11 dated 21 Octo-
9/ 1 January, 90 and 26 December, 1 989
ctively on the basis of fake capacity
cates against the contents of the ca-
' certificates to some DCTD units for
lercial production against chartered
eer*s certificate and to some DGTD
without obtaining clearance from DGTD
ding commencement of commercial
ction;

t>) whether these parties were also
*ed materials against TBS booking
red against confirmed bookings of DRS
rhers and by allocating light sections of
>rsion angles in TBS to private parties
refusing supplies to EEPCRO holders
ven delaying defence priorities; and

:) if so, the protection Government
se to provide to customers who are
ened by these officials?

HEMINISTEROFSTEELANDMINES
THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
(SHRIDINESHGOSWAMI):(a) BSO,
New Delhi has supplied Iron and Steel
ials in terms of JPC guidelines and on
ission of documents required under
jidelines.

)n receipt of a complaint from a party
led to the Delhi branch, an internal
nittee in SAIL was asked to look into it.
Committee submitted its report on
).1989. Certain corrective actions aris-

ing out of the report were taken by the zonal
office. The issues brought out by the party
were also a subject matter of audit memos in
December, 89 and January, 90. The audit
memos pertaining to distribution plicy have
been replied by SAIL and the other pertain-
ing to dishonouring of cheques is under
reply. Since this matter came to the notice of
the head-quarters of SAIL Marketing organi-
sation, two senior level committees were
also appointed by SAIL to look into the
issues in its entirety. The Committees have
come to the conclusion that

(i) neither the JPC nor the internal
guidelines of SAIL have been vio-
lated.

the branch has followed practices
prevalent over a number of years.

all bookings have been made on a
uniform basis.

It is not possible for SAIL to check the
authencity of documents; Wherever authen-
ticity of documents have been questioned in
the complaints, these have been sent to the
issuing authorities for their verification.

(b) Supplies of materials have been
made in consonance with the laid down
guidelines and procedures. There was no
pending demand from EEPC/Defence at the
time of offering the items referred to in the
question.

Establishment of Second Tiger Safari In

Karnataka

10451. SHRI V. KRISHNA RAO: Will
the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state:

(a) whether a Second Tiger Safari is
proposed to be established in Karnataka;

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(b) if so, the details of Ms location, the
area and the number of different species of
animals to be kept there;

(c) Whether Government propose to
provide special central assistance to make
the safari complex a famous tourist centre;
and

(d) if so. the details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MWISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(d) Does not arise.
[Translation)

(a) the number of big and well known
companies raided by the Department of
Income Tax during the last two years;

(b) the details of companies wherein
irregularities were found in these raids; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). The Income Tax Department
conducted 1 1 ,489 searches at various prem-
ises including those of companies during the
financial years 1 988-89 and 1 989-90. These
searches resulted in the seizure of prima-
facie unaccounted assets of estimated value
of Rs.280.73 crores. In the statements re-
corded during the course of the searches,
the persons searched have disclosed unac-
counted income of Rs.442.80 crores.

Income-Tax Raids

10452. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

Details of searches which resulted in
seizure of prima-fade unaccounted assets
worth Rs. 1 crore or more, are given below.

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[English]

Setting up of New Hotels In Kerala

10453. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the
Minister of TOURISM be pleased to state:

(a) whether some leading hotel indus-
tries in the country and abroad have applied
for setting up hotels at the tourist centres in
Kerala to boost tourism in the State;

(b) if so, the details thereof and the
number of applications cleared in this re-
gard; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) The Government has taken steps
provide various incentives to hotels to «
courage setting up of more hotels in t!
country including Kerala.

Export of Iron Ore by KIOCL

1 0454. SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKT
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES I
pleased to state:

(a) the quantum of iron ore exported I
Kudremukh Iron Ore Company Ltd. in 19fl

89 and 1989-90;

(b) the target set for the export of in
ore by the said company in 1990-91 ; and

THE MINISTER OFSTEELAND MINI
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JU
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) In
ore exported by Kudremukh Iron Ore Co
pany Limited (KIOCL) in 1988-89 and 19fl

90 is as follows:

hem

hem Quantity exported
(Million tonnes)

1988-89

1989-90

Iron ore concentrate

Iron ore pellets

3.00
1.68

3.40

1.95

Total

4.68

5.35

(b) KIOCL has planned an export of 4.0
million tonnes of iron ore concentrate and
2.5 million tonnes of iron ore pellets in 1 990-
91

(c) The Company has already obtain
orders for the major quantity of supplies a
does not envisage any difficulty in reachti
the target.

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[Translation]

Policy Regarding Industrial Ralationa

In Banks

10455. SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR
GANGWAR: Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state: ""

(a) whether Government proposes to
revise the policy in regard to the industrial
relations in banks;

(b) if so, the details thereof and when it
is Hkely to be implemented; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MNISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) No, Sir.

(b)and(c). Do not arise.

[Engbh]

Production and Price of Metallic Ores

10456. SHRI SATYANARAYAN
JATIYA: Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state:

(a) the manes of metallic ores mined in
the country during the last three years;

(b) the quantum consumed for domes-
tic use thereof and the quantum of metallic
ores exported alongwith the export price of
*ach ore; and

THE MINISTER OFSTEEL AND MINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) to (c).

Information Is being collected and will be laid
on the Table of the House.

Cable car Facility at Kemmanna Gudl In

Karnataka

10457. SHRIH.C.SRIKANTAIAH: Will
the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government are aware that
Kemmanna Gudi in Karnataka is a very good
tourist resort;

(b) it so, whether there is any proposal
under consideration of Union Government to
provide cable car facilities at Kemmanna
Gudi to boost tourism;

(d) whether Government would ap-
prove schemes of private entrepreneurs in
this regard?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) No, Sir.

(d) It is for the State Government to
examine such proposals as and when sub-
mitted by private entrepreneurs.

Imports of Capital Goods

10458. SHRIYASHWANTRAOPATIL:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) the imports of capital goods during
1989-90 as compared to 1988-89; and

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(b) the reasons for the increase, if any?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-

ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Import of

tal goods during 1989-90* and 1988-89* is

as under:

Value Rs. Crores

1988-89

1989-90
(up to Jan. 90)

1988-89
(up to Jan. 1989)

6905.78

7081.70

5525.32

•Provisional

(b) There are many contributory factors
like imports for technological upgradation /
export production, inflation, fluctuation in
foreign exchange rates etc. for the increase.

[Translation]

Opening of Branches of NalnRal Almora
Kshetrlya Gramln Bank

10459. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) where Nainital Almora Kshetriya
Gramin Bank has applied for opening its
branches; and

(b) if so, the names of the places and
the time by which branches of the said Bank
are proposed to be opened?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has
not received any request from Nainital Al-
mora Kshetriya Gramin Bank for allotment of
additional centres for opening branches.

(b) Two licences earlier issued to
Nainital Almora Kshetriya Gramin Bank for

opening branches at centres Bhola and
Loharkhet in Almora District are pending for
utilisation. As the bank could not open its
branches at the centres by 31 st March 1 990
due to inadequate infrastructure, the Re-
serve Bank of India has extended the validity
period of these licences upto September,
1990.

Export of Sugar

10460. SHRI HARIKEWAL PRASAD:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state the quantity of sugar likely to be
exported in the current financial year?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): Likely exports of
sugar in the current financial year are as
follows:

10,000 MT

12,000 MT
Approximately

USA

The above exports will be against the
preferential quotas al toted by EEC and USA
for India. In addition, exports of some

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quantities are Ukety to some neighbouring T.V. Serials/Feature Films Pending for

Approval

10462. SHRI PRATAPRAO B.
BHOSALE: Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state:

[English]

export of Basic Drugs and Finished

Medicines

10461 . SHRI K. MANVENDRA SINGH :
WM the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether same facilities are being
provided for the export of basic drugs and
finished medicines;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Cash Compen-
satory support (CCS) and import replenish-
ment are among the facilities granted for
export of bulk drugs and formulations. CCS
at 15% of fob value is admissible on export
of drugs excluding 27 items in the negative
list. CCS at 15% is a : so admissible on all
drug formulations, including those manufac-
tured out of the bulk drugs in the negative
list.

Import replenishment at the rate of 1 5%
of fob value of bulk drugs and at the rate of
20% of fob value of formulations is admis-

against exports.

(b) CCS is intended to compensate
unrebated indirect tax components, freight
disadvantage and market development costs
on the export product in due measure. Import
replenishment provides inputs for export
porductbn.

(a) whether a large number of T.V.
serials and feature films are pending with his
Ministry for approval;

(b) if so, the names of these serials and
feature films with specific reasons for
pendency in each case;

(c) whether Government propose to
revise its existing norms to accord approval
to pending T.V. serials and feature films;

(d) if so, the details thereof; and

(e) the details of charges, if any, which
are required to be paid by the producers of
T.V. serials?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) to (d). The scheme for ac-
cepting new proposals under sponsored TV
serials was suspended with effect form May
7, 1486. All proposals received by that date
have since been processed and finalised.
As regards proposals for telecast of feature
films, received in large numbers, their ex-
amination is an on-going process. There is
no proposal at present under the considera-
tion of the Government to change the proce-
dure for screening/selection of the offers for
telecast of feature films.

(e) In accordance with the existing
procedures, an applicant is not required to
pay any processing fee for consideration of
his proposal.

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Rate of Savings

10463. SHRI S.C. VARMA: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the rate of savings as a percentage
of Gross Domestic Product in India since
1980 as compared to Japan and other ad-
vanced countries; and

(b) the efforts being made by Govern-
ment keeping the upward trend in the cost of
living in mind, to step up the rate of saving for
mustering additional resources forthe plans?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) The requisite data, as available is
given in the Annexure.

(b) The rate of saving in the economy is
influenced by many factors such as the rate
of interest, growth of real output and the
distribution of income in the economy. Gov-
ernment's efforts are directed towards rais-
ing the rate of savings providing incentives
for saving and discouraging unessential
consumption and thereby mustering addi-
tional resources for the plan.

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TFAI Facilities Like Pragatl Maktan In

Other Cities

10464. SHRI SARJU PRASAD SA-
ROJ: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether the Trade Fair Authority of
India (TFAI) propose to provide facilities like
those provided at Pragati MakJan, New Delhi
in some other cities also;

(b) if so, the details thereof ;

(d) if so, when and where and the
amount allocated therefor; and

(e) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGILSREEDHARAN):(a)and(b). Trade
Fair Authority of India aims at organising
trade fairs not only in Delhi but also in other
important cities and State capitals. Though
there are certain proposals to develop exhi-
bition infrastructure in the metropolitan cities
in the country like Bombay, no definite proj-
ect has emerged.

(c) to (e). In 1987, the Govt, of Uttar
Pradesh requested TFAI to prepare feasibil-
ity report for setting up of an exhibition
complex in Lucknow. TFAI informed Govt, of
U.P. about the terms of preparing such a
report. In the absence of a reply from Govt,
of U.P. no further progress has been made
on the proposal.

[English]

Special Duty Allowance In Offices of
North Eastern Region

10465.SHRI AJOYMUKHOPADHYAY:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether necessary Govern
orders have since been issued for pay
of the Special duty Allowance to all Sec
of the Central Government Employees '
ing indifferent offices of North Eastern R
with retrospective effect in accordance
provisions of Government of India
dated 14th December, 1983;

(b) if so, which are those offices:

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL S
TRI): (a) to (c). In accordance w'rti
Government of India orderdated 1 4.1 2.
Special (Duty) Allowance has been all
to Central Government Civilian empk)
as an incentive to attract and retail
services of competent officers in the I
Eastern Regbn. These orders are i
cable to all those Central Government
ian employees who have All India Tra
Liability and are posted to North Ea
Region. Therefore, there is no need for
ing a separate order in respect of &
Govt, employees having All India Tra
Liability and working in North Ea
Region. However, in very few excepl
cases, the condition of Ail India Tra
Liability was relaxed in public interest.

Residential Flats Taken on Lease
United Bank of India

10466. SHRI B.N. REDDY: Wi
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to st

(a) whether the United Bank of
has obtained residential flats for theii
ployees on lease in Delhi, if so, the nu
of flats taken on lease as on date;

(b) whether the Bank has rem
lease deeds on expiry of lease agreem

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(c) the number of cases where land-
lords refused to accept the renewed lease
agreements during 1 989 and 1 990 (so far);

(d) whether the Bank has vacated the
premises in case landlords did not agree to
accept the new lease agreements and re-
quested for vacation of flats;

(e) if not, the reasons therefor; and

(f) the action, if any, proposed to be
taken by Government is this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MNISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) United Bank of India has reported
thai it has taken 1 1 5 flats on lease in Delhi for
is employees as on date.

(b) It is the endeavour of the Bank to
get the lease deeds renewed on their expiry.

(c) According to Bank, landlords have
refused to accept the renewed lease agree-
ments in 33 cases during 1989 and 1990 (so
far);

(d) to (f). The Bank has reported that it
has vacated 30 flats so far after taking into
account the genuine difficulties of the land-
lords. In the remaining cases the Bank has
not been able to make alternative arrange-
ments and is also not convinced about the
genuineness of the demand of the landlords
for vacation.

Acquisition of premises on lease/rental
basis, renewal of lease deeds and vacation
of premises are matters of day to day opera-
tions of the Banks and decisions in this
regard are taken by banks themselves on
commercial considerations. Government do
not interfere in such day to day operations of
the Banks.

Concessional Rate of Customs duty to

Hindustan Photo films Manufacturing

Company Ltd.

10467. SHRI P.G. NARAYANAN: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether concessional rate of cus-
toms duty was granted around 1982 on-
wards to Hindustan Photo Films Mfg. Co.
Ltd., only after taking into consideration the
Excise duty, Sales tax, conversion cost and
large investment made by Government in
the Hindustan Photo Films Mfg. Co. Ltd., for
expansion programme for integrated manu-
facture of all photo-sensitised goods;

(b) whether the same method was
adopted in granting concessional rate of
customs duty to private sector units; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Presumably the reference is to the
concessional rates of customs duty on im-
port of photo sensitised goods. Initially, import
duty concession was granted around 1976
for import of colour jumbo films for process-
ing into colour cine films. Import duty con-
cessions for import of jumbo rolls of other
photo-sensitised goods were also extended
subsequently at various concessional rates.
The duty concessions available under the
relevant notifications are not confined to
Hindustan Photo Films Manufacturing
Company Limited and can be availed of by
any importer so long as he fulfils the condi-
tions stipulated in the relevant notifications.

(b) and (c). In view of (a) above, does
not arise.

Loans Sanctioned by Delhi Financial
Corporation

10468. SHRI M.S. PAL: Will the Minis-
ter of FINANCE be pleased to state:

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(a) whether the Delhi Financial Corpo-
ration has achieved its targets for sanction-
ing and disbursement of loans during 1989-
90;

(b) if so, the number of schemes for
setting up of new industries sanctioned dur-
ing the period; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OFF!NANCE(SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). It has been reported by Delhi
Financial Corporation that the targets for
sanctions during 1989-90 were achieved
and a total number of 561 schemes were
sanctioned for setting up new industries.
However, targets for disbursements during
the said period could not be achieved as
there had been delays in sanctioning of ban
applications during the first six months which
adversely affected the loan disbursements.
Further, disbursements of loans were also
delayed in some cases in the disbursement
department. The corporation has already
initiated departmental action against an offi-
cer and has reported that it is also contem-
plating suitable action against certain other
officials.

Participation by Doordarshan In inter-
national T.V. Producers Market In 1990

1 0469. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATH: Will
the Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Doordarshan participated
in international T.V. producers market 1990
at Cannes between April 20th and 25th;

(b) if so, the Indian movies that were on
display there;

(d) whether there were any of
our films and if so, the details therec

THE MINISTER OF INFORM
AND BROADCASTING AND MINIS1
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (St
UPENDRA): (a) Yes. Sir.

(b) The Festival serves as a m
point for buyers and sellers of T.
grammes. Doordarshan accordingly
pated in this Festival to promote the
its own programmes. In all, 22 tele-fil
full length feature films produced b)
darshan, both in-house and by comnr
ing outside Directors, were at disi
Doordarshan-lndia stall set up at the

(c) and (d). Contracts for su
programmes, including two films D<
'Marattam', to the tune of US $ 26.0C
executed at Cannes itself. Additional
for supply of programmes valued a
25,000 have been received. As a n
the marketing effort of Doordarshan
at the Festival, many foreign buyer
impressed and a steady flow of trade
ies continue to be received.

[Translation]

Sale of English and Hindi Magaa
Published by Publication Divh

10470. SHRI R. S. PRASAD: 1
Minister of INFORMATION AND Bl
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) the present sale of each
English and Hindi Magazines and \
cals etc. published by Publication C
and since when each of these is beir
lished;

(b) the names of the magazin
periodicals etc., the publication and <
tion of which has been suspended dui

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test three years and the reasons therefor; (b) "Indian and Foreign Review" was

and earlier brought out by Publications Division

sob* made for resumption of publication and Since June '88, the magazine is brought out

sale thereof? by Ministry of External Affairs under a new

name "India Perspective".

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION

ANOBROADCASTING ANDMINISTEROF (c) Does not arise.
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA)r(a) A statement is given bebw.

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Report of .Committee on Electoral
Reforms

10471. SHRISHEOSHARANVARMA:
Withe Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be
phased to state:

(a) whether the high level Committee
constituted by Government for electoral
reforms has given its report; and

(b) if so, the main recommendations
thereof and the reaction of Government

thereto?

THEMINISTEROFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRIDINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The main recommendations of the
Committee are given below. These recom-
mendations are presently under considera-
tion of the Government.

STATEMENT

Afeft Recommendations of the Committee
on Electoral Reforms

5. Non-serious candidates to be dis-
couraged. Security deposit of inde-
pendent candidates to be raised.
Forfeiture of security deposit for
failure to secure less than 1/4th of
the votes polled.

6. Statutory backing for important
provisions of model Code of Con-
duct.

7. Use of electronic voting machines
in all future elections.

8. A series of legislative measures to
be undertaken to eradicate booth
capturing, rigging and intimidation
of voters.

9. State funding in kind to a limited
extent to recognised political par-
ties, to begin with.

1 0. Plying of automobiles, carrying of
firearms, sale and distribution of
liquor on poll day to be electoral

offences.

The Election Commission to be a
three member body. The appoint-
ment of Chief Election Commis-
sioner to be in consultation with the
Chief Justice of India and the Leader
of the Opposition. The CEC to be
consulted for appointment of other
Members.

Afresh delimitation on the basis of
1981 census. Rotation of sets re-
served for Scheduled Castes.

Introduction of multi-purpose photo
identity cards.

No individual to be allowed to con-
test from more than two constituen-
cies.

1 1 . Disqualification under Anti-defec-
tion law to be restricted to voluntary
resignation and voting or absten-
tion against party whip only in the
case of vote of confidence, money
bill or vote of thank to the President
President or Governor to decide
the issue of disqualification after
obtaining the Election Commis-
sion's opinion.

1 2. Constitution of an Expert Commit-
tee to go further into the question of
change of the present electoral
system.

13. A standing Committee to the
Parliament to go into all electoral
matters.

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Companies having Collaboration with

10472. SHRI E.S.M. PAKEER MO-
HAMED: Will tha Minister of FINANCE ba
pleased to state:

(a) the details of the companies having
collaboration with the USA in different fields;

(b) the total participation of US Compa-
nies;

(d) if so, the action Government pro-
pose to take on these applications?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). During 1981 to 1989 ,1376
foreign collaborations were approved be-
tween Indian and U.S. Companies involving
total investment of Rs. 28,202.48 lakhs.

(c) and (d). Trading limit have been
imposed only on companies having more
than 40% non-resident interest. Govt, re-
ceives requests for permission for higher
trading limits periodica^ from such compa-
nies. A higher trading limit is permitted on
•case to case to basis in the light of relevant
factors, e.g. ancillarization, marketing of
products manufactured by Public Sector
Undertakings, and exports etc.

Opening of Regional Rural Banks In
Tamil Nadu

10473. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: WW
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the number of regional rural banks

opened in Tamil Nadu during 1988-f
1989-90;

(b) whether Government propc
open more regional rural banks in ths
during 1990-91; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL i
TRI): (a) No Regional Rural Bank hat
opened in Tamil Nadu during 1988-8
1989-90.

(b) and (c). There is no propo
present to open any new Regional
Bank in Tamil Nadu during 1990-91 .

Setting up of a High Power toner
at Pavegadh Hill tot Panchmah

10474. SHRI SHANKER
VAGHELA:
SHRI HARIN PATHAK:
SHRI N.J. RATHVA:

WHIthe Minister of MFORMATO
BROADCASTING be pleased to stat<

(a) whether State Govemrrw
Gujarat had sent a proposal for establ
a high power transmitter at Pavagadh
Panchmahal district as the existing low
transmitter is not covering the adjao
eas;and

(b) if so, the time by which a high
transmitter is Ifcely to be set up so the
areas of this region would be coverec

THE MINISTER OF INFORM
AND BROADCASTING AND MMIST1
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHI
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). A request for <
Ishment of addffional TV transmit!
Gujarat State including Panchmahal <
was recently received from the Gover

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of Gujarat Besides the two low power TV
transmitters, one each at Godharaand Dohad
already functioning in the district, parts of
Panchmahal district also receive TV service
from th* high power TV transmitter at Ahme-
dabad. Whereas it is the endeavour of the
Government to extend TV service to the
remaining uncovered parts of the country
including those in Panchmahal distt. as
expeditiously as possible, the objective can
be achieved in a phased manner depending
upon the availability of resources for this
purpose.

Efforts Made to Spread Legal Literacy
Among. People

10475. SHRI Y.S. RAJA SEKHAR
REDDY: Will the Minister of LAW AND
JUSTICE be pleased to state the efforts
madeduring the last one year to spread legal
Seracy among the masses and educate the
people about preventive litigation and con-
ciliatory settlement?

THE MINISTER OF STEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): Promotion of
legal literacy is one of the strategic legal aid
programmes adopted by the Committee for
Implementing Legal Aid Schemes set up by
the Central Government. The Committee is
publishing a Quarterly Legal Aid Newsletter
separately in Hindi and English for creating
awareness amongst the people and provid-
ing a forum for exchange of views and expe-
rience on the delivery of legal services to the
weaker sections. The Committee also ren-

ders financial assistance to the State Legal
Aid and Advice Boards, Voluntary Social
Action Group etc., subject to fulfilment of
certain conditions, for the purpose of bring-
ing out booklets, pamphlets and brochures,
etc. on various laws affecting the poor.
Under the legal literacy programme.

Mass-media like Radio, Doodarshan are
also being utilised; production of documen-
tary films and video films and exhibition of
cinema-slides on availability of legal aid also
forms part of the Legal Literacy Programme.

Legal Aid Camps and Legal Literacy
Camps programmes are also being organ-
ised by the State Legal Aid and Advice
Boards. Marriage Counselling Centre in
Delhi, Grievances Cells and four permanent
Conciliation Committees in Gujarat and
several such Committees in the State of
Tamil Nadu are functioning. Lectures, semi-
nars, workshops, Exhibitions and Para-legal
Courses are also being organised by the
various State Legal Aid and Advice Boards
for spreading Legal Literacy among the
masses and educating them about preven-
tive litigation and Conciliatry settlement

On the basis of the information as made
available to the Committee for Implement-
ing Legal Aid Schemes, during the last one
year, 40 Legal Literacy Camps were held.
In 248 Legal Aid Camps organised, 1 3,772
people benefitted. In 467 Lok Adalats,
1 ,1 5,066 cases were settled and compensa-
tion amounting to Rs. 21 ,24,50,086 has been
awarded (See Statement attached)

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For Second Channel by Orissa
Government

10476. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether State Government of Orissa
has made a demand for second channel of
television to telecast programmes in Orissa;
and

(b) if so, the action taken by Govern-
ment to meet this demand?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AMD BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) It has been decided, in principle, to

introduce Second Channel TV Service in 1 6

additional cities, including Bhubaneshwar

(Cuttack), under the Eighth Plan, subject to

availability of funds.

Proposal For Conducting Programmes
h Second Channel on T.V. and A.I.R. by
Private Agency

10477. SHRI A.R. ANTULAY: Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have any
Proposal to conduct certain programmes in
the second channel of T.V. as also in A.I.R.
entirely by private agencies; and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): {a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Opening Balance of Heme Kept for Sale
In Customs House Retail Shops

10478. SHRI RAM SAGAR (Saidpur):
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
refer to the reply given on 30th March, 1 990
to Unstarred Question No. 2947 regarding
sale of confiscated sarees and state:-

(a) whether Government propose to
display daily the pending balance of the
items kept for sale in All Customs House
retail shops; and

(b) If not, the reasons therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). The feasibility of displaying
daily the opening belance of the items kept
for sale in all Customs House retail shops is
under examination.

[Translation]

Children's Programmes In Hindi

10479. SHRI MOHAN LAL JHIKRAM:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to
telecast children's programme like'/ Micky
Mouse' in Hindi also.

(b) if so, the details thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) to (c). Such programmes
are at present acquired by Doordarshan
mainly from international sources as the
requisite facilities and specialised expertise
needed for their indigenous production are
scarce. It is, nevertheless, the endeavour of

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Doordarshan to promotes the production of
these programmes within the country.

[English]

Plans Made by Slate Tourism Develop-
ment Corporations to Promote Tourism

10480. SHRI GUMAN MAL
LOOHA: Will the Minister of TOURISM be
pleased to state:

(a) whether there is any proposal to
illuminate historical monuments to promote
tourism during 1990-91;

(b) whether the State Tourism Develop-
ment Corporation has sent such plans to
union Government for financial assistance
and approval; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) to (c). The development of
tourism is primarily the responsibility of the
State Governments Union Territories.
However the Central Department of Tourism
provides financial assistance to the State
Governments/Union Territories for strength-
ening tourism infrastructure in country in-
cluding f badlighting of monuments of tourist
importance. This financial assistance is
considered bases on the specific proposals
of the State Government/Union Territories,
their merit, inter-se priorities and availability
of funds.

[Translation]

Seminar on Autonomy for Electronic

Media

10481. SHRI MADH AVRAO SCINDI A:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether a seminar on auto
electronic media was held at Hy<k
the second week of January this V

(b) if so, the main observat
suggestions made therein; and

THE MINISTER OF INFOR
AND BROADCASTING AND MINK
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (5
UPENDRA): (a) A colloquium o
Bharati Bill has been held by P
Institute of Development Studies ai
Institute of Management and Com
Hyderabad on 1 6. 1 . 1 990.

(b) The gist of conclusions an
mendattons made at this Colloquiur
below.

(c) The suggestions made hi
considered while finalising arrange
the Prasar Bharati Bill which hasbeei
for consideration of this House.

STATEMENT

Gist of Conclusions and recorrime

Made on The Colloquium He!

Prakasam Institute of Develop

Studies and India Institute of Man,

and Commerce at Hyderabac

16.1.1990

The colloquium welcome
tiative taken by the Governmet
autonomy to the electronic m
expressed appreciation of the
in which the draft bill has bee
before the public for debate
making suggestions for imprc
The colloquium noted with sal
the intention behind the estab
of the Corporation mentione
Statement of objects and Ret
tachedtotheBill. Thecolloquii

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various suggestions such as it is neces-
sary to distinguish between the func-
tions of higher policy making and man-
agement of regular operations at the
highest policy making level there should
be a Board of Trustees rather than a
Board of Governors and for manage-
ment of regular operations there should
be * separate Board of Management;
the Committee for recommending the
names of Chairman and other Gover-
nors may constitute the President's
nominee. Leader of the Opposition and
Lok Pal while Chairman of the Press
Council may be designated as the con-
vener of the Committee; emoluments/
allowances payable to Chairman and
other Trustees may be laid down in the
law; removal of Chairman and Chair-
mans on the grounds of insolvancy,
concurrent paid employment outside the
Corporation and infirmity of body or
mind should be considered; intend of
the present lengthy list of objectives it
may be sufficient to lay down that while
informing educating and entertaining
the public, the Corporation should keep
in mind the Fundamental Rights, Fun-
damental Duties and Directive Principles
bid down in the Constitution of India; to
maintain the present level of activities
should be guaranted and to meet the
requirements of jdiverse languages and
culture, Regional Boards of Trustees
may also be set up.

[English]
Credit Deposit Ratio In Punjab

10482. SHRI BABA SUCHA SINGH:
SHRI S. ATINDER PAL
SINGH:

Willthe Minister of FINANCE be pleased

nationalised banks branches in Punjab dur-
ing last three years;

(b) the amount of bans advanced by
such branches in Punjab during the above
period;

(d) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(e) the action proposed to be taken by
Union Government to increase the credit
deposit ratio in the State?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). The aggregate deposit and
gross bank credit in Punjab in respect of
public sector banks in the last three years
are as follows:-

(Rs. in crores)

Deposit Credit

December 1 987 6238

December 1 988 7540

December 1 989 8226

2695

3094

3660

to state:

(a) the total amount of deposits in all the

(c) to (e) . The Credit: Deposit Ratio in
Punjab is 44.5% and is below the all India
average credit deposit ratio deposit ratio of
62.84%. However, the C:D ratio is not the
sole indicator for judging the economic de-
velopment of a particular region. The com-
paratively low C:D ratio in Punjab can be
attributed to the preponderance of agricul-
tural sector, the strong presence of coopera-
tives in the State, and higher bank deposits.
In order to help trade and industry in Punjab
to overcome their difficulties, the banks have
been Instructed from time to time to grant

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them various concessions/retaxations in
credit facilities.

NRIs Export Oriented Units

10483. SHRI VAMANRAO MAHADtK:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Non-Resident Indians had
applied for various Export Oriented/Import
substitute Industrial Units with equity partici-
pation;

(b) the criteria or specified limits of
investment by NRI; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Yes Sir.

(b) NRI investments in bank deposits
are permitted to individuals underthe FCNR/
NRE Schemes freely. Non-repairable invest-
ments are allowed in most cases upto 1 00%.
The levels permitted on repatriable basis
generally depend upon the priority of the
activity and merits of the case.

There is a Kmitof 5% for Portfolio
ments. Direct investments in industr
tures is permissible under various sd
including the 74% and 40% Scheme

(c) The total investments made t
Resident Indians as on 31 .1 .90 in in
of bank deposits amounted to net
19,000 crores, cumulatively.

[Translation]

Vacant Posts of SCs/STs In Natl

Ised Banks

10484. SHRI K.D. SULTANPU
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
the category-wise, number of posts re
for people belonging to Scheduled <
Scheduled Tribes lying vacant in ei
tionalised bank for the last three yet

THE DEPUTY MINISTER It
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL
TRI): (a) The backlog in recruitr
respect of posts reserved for Scfi
Caste/Scheduled Tribe, as at the em
years 1987, 1988 and 1989 as repo
the 20 nationalised banks is given b

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AHocation to Uttar Pradesh

10485. DR MAHADEEPAK SINGH
SHAKYA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
phased to state:

(a) whether it is a fact that the alloca-
tions made by the Central Government to the
Government of Uttar Pradesh comprises of
30 percent grant and 60 percent loan;

(b) whether it is also a fact that these
bans are not utilised for development pur-
poses but to a large extent these are utilised
in servicing debts and interests; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MWISTHYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) Central assistance for the State
Plan of Uttar Pradesh is given in the form of
30% grant and 70% loan, and assistance for
development of hid areas is given in the form
of 90% grant and 1 0% loan.

(b) According to the information fur-
nished by the State Government, Central
assistance for State Plan to Uttar Pradesh
has been utilised for State Plan Schemes.

[English]

Self Sufficiency In Non-Ferrous Metals

10486. SHRI CM. NEGI: Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state:

(a) the figures of import of each non-
ferrous metals during the last three years,
year-wise and how does it compare In terms
of percentage with the total requirement;

(b) the steps being taken to attain self-
sufficiency in the production of non-ferrous
metals; and

(c) whether Government propose to
bring a new policy for self-sufficiency in the
production of non-ferrous metals and also to
become a leading exporter?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND THMINISTEROFLAWAND JUSTICE
(SHRIDINESHGOSWAMI):(a) The canal-
ised imports of the main non-ferrous metals
during the last 3 years against the total
requirements are indicated b*bw:-

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(b) and (c). In aluminium self-sufficiency
has been achieved with NALCO going into
production. HCL has commissioned a Con-
tinuous Cast Copper Rod Plant at Taloja,
Maharashtra,- with an installed capacity of
80,000 tonnes per annum, which will sub-
stantially meet the demand for such wire
rods in the country. Detailed exploration and
feasbility study for integrated development
of Malanjkhand Copper Project, Madhya
Pradesh has commenced. A similar study on
Singhbhum Copper Beit, (Bihar) has been
completed. Anew integrated Project is being
implemented by Hindustan ZincLimited near
Chittorgarh in Rajasthan with a capacity to
produce 70,000 tonnes zinc and 35,000
tonnes lead annually to meet the demand of
Zinc and Lead to a very substantial extent
indigenously.

[Translation]

Exclee Duty Evasion by Manufacturers
of Sanitary Wares and Bath Soaps
10487. SHRI RAMDAS SINGH: Will
the Minister of FMANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether a number of cas
slon of Excise Duty by manufa
Sanitary Wares and Bath Soaps Y
detected during the last three yes

(b) if so, the details of such mi
ers and the action taken against t

THE DEPUTY MINISTER
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (St
SHASTRI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Show cause notices d<
Central Excise duty of Rs. 307.
have been issued in 25 cases aj
manufacturers listed below. Out <
1 4 cases Central Excise duty am
Rs. 55.85 lakhs has been confii
penalty of Rs. 4.21 lakhs has
posed.

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[EngSsh\

Use of Photocopying Machines

10486. SHRI MAOAN LAL KHURANA
WiH the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government are aware that
with the introduction of photocopying ma-
chines in Government offices, even volumi-
nous and lengthy notes, briefs, reports etc.
are being photocopied in large number for
circulation amongst large number of per-
sons instead of cutting stencils and cy-
clostyling.

(b) whether it has resulted into heavy
expenditures;

(c) if so, whether there is any proposal
to issue directions to Government offices not
to use photocopying machines for photo-
copying lengthy documents; and

(d) if instructions exist, the reasons for
not ensuring compliance thereof together
with details of action taken to enforce compli-
ance?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) No instance has come to the notice
of the Govt, of India wherein voluminous
documents are being photocopied for circu-
lation among large number of persons.

(b) No Sir.

(c) and (d). There are already instruc-
tions for avoiding wasteful expenditure in
Government of India which, interalia, lay
down that economy should be achieved in
stationery as far as possible. In view of this
no fresh instructions are considered neces-
sary.

Applications for Customs Clearan
Photographic Rim

10489. SHRISHANTILALPURUJ
TAMDAS PATEL: WHI the Minister
FORMATION AND BROADCASTS
pleased to state:

(a) the number of applications re<
during the last six months (upto 31 st I
1 990) for customsclearance of photog
films and the number of applications cl<
State-wise break up; and

(b) the reasons for non-clearance
remaining applications?

THE MINISTER OF INFORM/
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTI
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHI
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). The informs
being collected and will be laid on the
of the House.

Rehabilitation of Deep Sea Fish

10490. SHRI K. PRADHANI: V\
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to s

(a) the number of fishing units ir
sea sector who have submitted rehi
tion proposals since January 1 ,1 990;

(b) whether representatives of the
ping Credit & Investment Company o
Limited were present during discussior
entrepreneurs in the early part of this
and

(c) the steps, if any, being tat
ensure proper compliance by the SC
rehabilitation policy of Government foi
sea fishing industry.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL £
TRI): (a) Shipping Credit and Inves

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Company of India Limited (SCICI) has re-
ceived proposals for rehabilitation in respect
of 28 fishing companies of which in respect
of 2 companies rehabilitation packages are
under implementation, 8 companies have
(Men found to be non-viable. Cases of 14
companies are under consideration. In cases
of 4 companies information is awaited from
the fishing companies and the matter b
being followed-up by SCICI. However, cer-
tain companies which were found to be non-
viable earlier have resubmitted proposals for
consideration of Shipping Credit & Invest-
ment Company of India Limited (SCICI) /
Government.

(b) Shipping Credit ^Investment Com-
pany of India Limited (SCICI) has reported
that their representatives were present dur-
ing the discussions with entrepreneurs in the
•arty part of this year.

(c) Shipping Credit & Investment
Company of India Limited (SCICI) considers
rehabilitation packages on merit of each
case based on the techno-economic viability
of each unit and general policy parameters
of Government of India

Strike by Lawyers of Tie Hazarl

THE MINISTER OFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The Members of the Delhi Bar
Association, Tis Hazari Courts, Delhi, went
on an indefinite strike on 9.4.1990 on the
issue of bifurcation of Delhi 'Courts.

(c) The Government are not contem-
plating to make any changes in the Judicial
administration in the Union Territory of DeM,
particularly as a new set-upf or Delhi is under
consideration.

Import of Raw Material

10492. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN-
DAL: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are aware that
many Bombay-based companies are im-
porting raw materials through Madras and
Cochin ports to avail of tower duties, through
misdeclaration and wrong classification;

(b) if so, the reasons tor not detecting
such wrong classification at the above ports;
and

10491. SHRI MANIKRAO HODLYA
GAVIT:
SHRI R.N. RAKESH:

Win the Minister of JAW AND JUSTICE
t*e pleased to state:

(a) whetherthe attention has beendrawn
**f Union Government that the Lawyers of Tis
Hazari Court have gone on an indefinite
•Wke;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(c) the steps being taken to check such
clandestine imports, which are causing a
toss of revenue to the public exchequer
also?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Imports of raw materials by Bom-
bay-based companies do take place through
Madras and Cochin Ports. In one case in
Madras and in seven cases in Cochin mis-
declaration of value/description or wrong
classification have been noticed.

(b) Does not arise.

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rasped of such imports.

Concessions to Traders and Entrepre-
neurs In Punjab

10493. SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA
MURTH Y: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) the details of the concessions and
facilities that had been offered to traders and
entrepreneurs in Punjab by the Reserve
Bank of India and/or the Industrial Develop-
ment Bank of India;

(b) whether these concessions were
due to expire on 31 March, 1990;

(d) if so, the details thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OFFINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has
reported that in order to help the trade and
industry in Punjab to overcome the difficul-
ties experienced by them on account of
disturbed conditions in the State, banks have
been advised from time to time to grant
following concessions/relaxations to borrow-
ers in Punjab:-

(i) Adhoc increase in the credit limit
upto 50% subject to a ceiling of Rs.
20 lakhs by officials at branch/
controlling office level. Limits in
excess of Rs. 20 lakhs to cleared
by higher authorities.

(ii) Reduction in the margin so that it
does not exceed 15%.

Extension in the period of realisa-
tion of bills by 1 month.

(iv) Reschedulement of repayment of

term loan instalments by ex
period upto one year in de

(v) Reduction by 50% in
charges on demand dra
orders, bankers cheques ai
remittances.

(vi) Higher bills discounting i
borrowers within the over
missfole bank finance a
margin prescribed on bills <
ily not to exceed 10%.

Industrial Development Bank <
has also given preferential treaftnu
liberalterms to new industries in Punj
concessions granted are as under:-

(I)

(ID

Under refinance Scheme,
tance would be available
industrial units coming up
State of Punjab at a cones
rate of 1 2.5% on the ban vi
nance from Industrial Devel
Bank of India to the inst
being at the rate of 9% pen

As regards promoters cont
and DER, institutions ma)
flexible approach depend
merits of each case.

(b)to(d). The concessions gra
bank to trade and industry in Punjal
expired on 31st March, 1990 havi
extended upto 31st March, 1 990. Th
ing concessions granted by Industrial
opment.Bankof India for industries in
which expired on 31st March, 199
been extended for a further period of
upto 31st March, 1992.

Production of Prime Tinplat

10494. Will the Minister of STEE
MINES be pleased to state:

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(a) whether the total indigenous pro-
duction of prime tinplate decreased during
the last financial year;

(b) if so, the reasons thereof and how
far it is short of the total demand;

(c) the estimated quantity of tin-plate
used for food-packaging and non-food pack-
aging purposes in the country annually;

(d) whether tin manufactures particu-
larly in the small scale sector are producing
waste and secondary grade tinplate; and

(e) if so, the steps Government propose
to take to increase the indigenous produc-
tion of primary tinplate and ban the produc-
tion and use of waste tinplate for food pack-
aging?

THE MINISTER OFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Several factors have contributed to
the decrease of indigenous production of
tinplate in the last financial year. These in-
clude higher landed cost of Tin Mill Black
Plate (TMBP), increase in direct import of
Prime tinplate and also tinplate waste
*aste,and competition from other materials
used in the packaging industries like plastic,
Paper, Card boards etc. The gap between
indigenous production and total assessed
cfemand in 1 989-90 is about 1 .9 lakh tonnes.

(c) Authentic published data on quan-
tity of tinplate used for food-packaging and
r *on4ood packaging in the country are not
Available.

(d) Tinplate is not manufactured in the
**na> scale sector. Tinplate waste and sec-
^ffdary grade tinplate are not produced, but
**Hse are arisings during the process of

Manufacture of prime tinplate.

(e) More units are being permitted to
produce Tin Plates. No ban on use of fin*
plates waste waste for food-packaging is
advisable unless there are good grounds to
do so.

Development of Indian Fishery Industry

10495. PROF. P J. KURIEN: Withe
Ministerof COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) the details of Schemes implemented
by the Marine Products Export Development
Authority for the development of Indian fish-
ery industry;

(b) whether the Schemes for building
frozen storage refrigerated trucks have been
discontinued; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) The Schemes
implemented by Marine Products Export
Development Authority (MPEDA) for the
development of Indian Fishery Industry in-
clude:-

(I) SchemestorTechnobgy-upgra-
dation and

(ii) Schemes for product develop-
ment;

(iii) Scheme of equity participation
by the MPEDA in projects for
promoting value added products
and deep sea fishing;

(iv) Schemes tor upgradation and
quality control of seafood proc-
essing Units;

(v) Schemes for promoting prawn

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Written Answer*

farming and setting up prawn
hatcheries for supply of seeds
and;

(vi) Participation in Specialised
Commodity Fairs abroad, pub-
licity programmes abroad and
organising Buyer-Seller Meets.

(b) Yes.Sir.

(c) These Schemes were initiated with
the objective of being catalyst for encourag-
ing private entrepreneurship in the marine
export sector through provision of basic in-
frastructure! facilities. They were discontin-
ued after this limited purpose was achieved.
These Schemes cannot be appropriately
assessed in terms of profit or loss.

Proposal for Financial Restructuring of
Sclndia Steam Navigation Company

10496. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN-
DAL: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are consider-
ing a proposal for the financial restructuring
of the Scindia Steam Navigation Company
Limited;

(b) if so, its broad features; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). The Rehabilitation Pro-
posal submitted by the company is under
consideration of Shipping Credit & Invest-
ment Company of India Limited (SCICI).

(c) The total outstanding exposure of
the Government of India through loans and
guarantees amounts to Rs. 1 78 crores ap-
proximately as on March 31, 1990.

Export of Silico-ManganeM to J

10497. SHRI S. B. THORAT: '
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be;
to state:

(a) whether Government are

quality of materials of silico-manj
supplied by Maharashtra Electrosmi
ited to Japan from Vbakhapatnam;

(b) if so, the details thereof ; an

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW ANI
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI):
(b). Yes. Sir. Maharashtra Elect
Limited (MEL) had exported silico i
nese in the last quarter of 1988-89 a
quarter of 1989-90 to Malaysia and
The 2nd shipment was as per contr
tween M/s. Cotia International, cor
Toyo Denka Kogyo Co. Ltd., Jap
MEL. Although the material in Ct
composition was within the specific
M/S. COTIA complained that it coi
oversize. The Indian agency M/S. SG
Pvt. Lid. who has been appointed ui
agreement between M/S. Cotia Interr
and MEL had cleared the material be
their sampling tests at Vizag.

As it was considered that it wouk
in the commercial interest of MEL t
quality complaint from Japanese bu
team of two Senior Officers from MEL
Japan and after inspection of the nw
MOU was signed for compensator)
penses to Japanese party for screer
material and realising some of the o
material.

This payment to the Japanese
was unavoidable as otherwise MEL

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Written Answers 226

have had to take back their material with (c) the steps taken by Government to.

substantial loss. recover the amount?

(c) A departmental enquiry has been
instituted by the MEL Management on the
export deal and based on this report neces-
sary action steps wW be taken to avoid
recurrence of such quality complaints. MEL
has also initiated action against M/S. SGS
India Pvt. Ltd. for giving wrong clearance for
despatch of the material.

Violation of F.E.R.A.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) The details of private transfer
receipts which, interalia, include remittances
received from non-residents of Indian na-
tionality are as under.

Year

Rupees kitirores

10498. SHRI PARASRAM BHARD-
WAJ : Will the Minister of FINANCE be
phased to state:

(a) the amount of foreign exchange
repatriated to India by NRb during the last
three years;

(b) the number of cases of FERA viola-
tions detected and the amounts involved
during the above period; and

1985-86
1986-87
1987-88

2716

2991

3533

(b) The number of cases detected under
FERA and the amount involved are detailed
below:

year

No. of SCN Issued

Amount involved in SCNs

f 9€6-87
l »87-88
1 ^88-89

6278

8509

5077

Rs. 40.87 crores

Rs. 203.48 crores

Rs. 166.35 crores

(c) Provisions of FERA provides for
Adjudication proceedings as well as prose-
^Jtion for violation of Act. On completion of
^investigations, action as warranted under

is taken.

(a) whether the Bombay International
Film Festivalter documentary and short films,
originally scheduled to be organised once a
year, will now be held biennially;

International Film Festival Bombay

10499. SHRI SANAT KUMAR MAN-
UAL: Will the Mnister of INFORMATION
AMD BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(b) if so, the rationale behind this deci-
sion;

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(d) whether this festival would be held
in Calcutta at least once a year, when this
city, once the cultural centre of the film
industry, has got the necessary infrastruc-
ture for this purpose; and

(e) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA):{a) Yes, Sir. The Government
has now taken the decision to hold the Inter-
national Film Festival for documentary and
short films once in every two years or bien-
nially.

(b) This decision was taken in view of
the financial constraints of the 8th Five Year
Plan.

In addition, it is felt that it would be better
to alternate this festival with the International
Children's Film Festival.

[Translation]

Schemes of UCO Bank

10500. PROF. RASA SINGH RAV
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleas-
state:

(a) the investment made by the I
Bank in different Schemes during the
three years, scheme-wise;

(b) the number of branches of this I
in Rajasthan, district-wise;

(d) the names of the schemes u
poverty alleviation programmes being c
ated by the Bank in the State and the nui
of beneficiaries thereunder during the
three years;

vals in 1992 and 1994 is estimated as Rs. 62 complaints about mismanagement in
lakhs and Rs. 71 lakhs respectively. Bank; and

(d) The Government has decided to
hold the festival biennially. Therefore the
question of holding the Film Festival in Cal-
cutta at least once a year does not arise.

However the question of holding the
Rim Festival in Calcutta in rotation will be
given due consideration by the Ministry at
the appropriate time.

(e) Does not arise.

(f) if so, the details thereof and
action proposed to be taken by Govemi
in this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL St
TRI): (a) UCO Bank has reported that di
the years 1936-87, 1987-88 and 198
following Investments had been made b
bank in different schemes:

Name of the Scheme

Amount Sanctioned
(Rs. in lakhs)

1986-87

1987-88

1988-89

IRDP

1972

3310

2219

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Written Answers 230

\e of the Scheme

198647

Amount Sanctioned
(Rs. in lakhs)

1987-88

1988-89

UY
UP

2296

496

1346

563

1780

542

• of the Scheme

Balance Outstanding
(Rs in lakhs)

March 87

March 88

March 89

obit Programme
ker Sections

2102
19666
20186

1954

24997

1810
29347
29771

(b) The total number of branches of bank on 31.3.1990 were 135. The district-
» Bank in Rajasthan as reported by the wise position is indicated below:

No.

District

No.

Ahvar

Bharatpur

Jaipur

Jhunjhunu

Churu

Sikar

4
1
1

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Si No.

District

No.

Tonk

Barmer

Bikaner

10.

Sriganganagar

11.

Jodhpur

12.

Pali

13.

Ajmer

14.

Bhilwara

15.

Bundi

16.

Kota

17.

Nagaur

18.

Udaipur

6
4

33
1
7
1
1
5

Total No.

135

(c) The deposits of the bank in Rajast- State during the last three years as rep
han and the amount of loans given in the by UCO Bank are as under:

Balance Outstanding
(R$. in lakhs)

March 1987

March 1988

March 19i

Deposits
Advances

14642

7906

19510

8839

24364
10727

(d) The number r beneficiaries under the Poverty Alleviation Programme ir

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Written Answers 234

jasthan during the last 3 years as reported by UCO Bank scheme-wise are indicated below:

Ham of the Programme/

Scheme

No. of beneficiaries sanctioned bans

March 1987

March 1988

March 1989

HDP

SEEUY

SEPUP

Dfll

20 Point Programme
Weaker Sections

4972

1492

7683
32530
35603

6781

539

1905

6205

618

1419

No.t

iaries against whom ban outstanding

;

3 4

5538
37938
41039

5570
44077
46731

(e) and (f). Reserve Bank of India has
reported that there were industrial relation
problems in the offices of UCO Bank in
Rajasthan. The Bank has taken suitable
action for normal functioning of its branches
«n the State.

[English\

Appointment of Chairmen of Public
Sector Banks

10501. SHRI MULLAP PALLY RAM A-
CHANDRAN:
SHRI PYARELAL KH ANDEL-
WAL:

Willthe Minister of FINANCE be pleased

(a) whether any objections have been
rec*ajy e( j to the appointment of the Chairmen

of any public sector banks;

(b) if so, the details thereof;

(d) the time by which these appoint-
ments are likely to made?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a)/ to (d). At present the position of
only Chairman and Managing Director, New
Bank of India is vacant since 11.4.1990. It
will be the endeavour of the Government to
fill up this vacancy expeditiously. No specific
objection has been received against the
appointment of any Chairmen appointed
during the year.

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Written

Turn-Over In I.T.D.C.

10502. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA-
CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of TOURISM
be pleased to state:

(a) the total turnover of India Tourism
Development Corporation during 1 988 and
1989;

(b) whether the turn-over has increased
during the last three years;

(d) the units of ITDC which contributed
most to its profits during 1 989-90?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MWISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) The total turnover of ITDC for
the last two years is given below:—

Year

Turnover
(Rs. in lakhs)

1988-89

1989-90
(Provisional)

10616.69

11854.26

(b) Yes, Sir.

(d) Ashok Hotel, New Delhi has earned
the highest profit of Rs. 248.68 lakhs (provi-
sional) during 1 989-90.

Import of Dental Equipment

10503. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA-
CHANDRAN: Will the Minister of COM-
MERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government prop
increase import of dental equipmenl
the current year;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(d) if so, the findings thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE H
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHI
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) Customs and Excise duty on
equipment have not been Increaaec
recent past. There is, therefore, no qi
of any study by the Government to
the effects of increased taxee/dutief
on dental equipment.

(d) Does not arise.

Export of Frog Lege

10504. SHRI MULLAPPALLY I
CHANDRAN: Wl« the Minister of
MERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have ra
any representation tor lifting the ban
export of frog legs;

(b) if so, Government's decision tt

(d) the percentage of frog legs <
to total seafood exports before
planned?

THE MINISTER OF STATE If
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHF
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b)

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■| Sir. The ban on export of frog legs is sNI in (c) the steps taken to Increase the

force; export; and

(d) The percentage of frog-legs exports
to tofai seafood exports ranged from 5.8% in
1881-32 to 0.5% in 1986-87 in terms of

quantity, before it was banned.

Export of Non-Canalised Items by

1O505. SHRIMATI VASUNDHARA
RAJBr Will the Minister of COMMERCE be
pte a*c»d to state:

(») whether the Minerals and Metals
Trading Corporation has a proposal to in-
creas^ the export of non-canalised items
during 1990-91;

<**) if so, the target set for that purpose
tor 1990-91 financial yean

(d) the hem-wise details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The target set for non-canalised
exports by MMTC for 1990-91 is Rs. 550
crores.

(c) and (d). MMTC has formed a number
of non-canalised export groups. A separate
Division has been concentrating on exports
of engineering projects. MMTC has been
conducting market studies to identify se-
lected items for export and identifying reli-
able domestic sources of supply to act as
associate suppliers of MMTC.

Targets set fordifferent groups by MMTC
for export of non-canalised items during 1 990-
91 are as under:

kern

Value (Rs. Crores)

Minerals

Agro products

Industrial products

Diamonds/gems

Merchanting trade

•

Projects

Counter trade

120

205

Total

550

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MAY 25. tWO

10502. SHRIMULLAPPALLYRAMA-
CHANDRAN: WilltheMinisterof TOURISM
be pleased to state:

(a) the total turnover of India Tourism
Development Corporation during 1988 and
1989;

(b) whether the turn-over has increased
during the last three years;

(d) the units of ITDC which contributed
most to its profits during 1989-90?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) The total turnover of ITDC for
the last two years is given below: —

Year Turnover

(Ms. in lakhs)

1989-90 11854.26

(Provisional]

(b) Yes, Sir.

(d) Ashok Hotel, New Delhi has earned
the highest profit of Rs. 248.68 lakhs (provi
sional) during 1989-90.

Import of Dental Equl

10503. SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMA
CHANDRAN: WEI the Minister of COM-
MERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government prapc
increase Import of dental equipment i
the current year;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(d) if so, the findings thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IM
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHR
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(c) Customs and Excise duty on I
equipment have not been increased
recent past. There is, therefore, no qu
of any study by the Government to ■
the effects of increased taxes/duties
on dental equipment.

(d) Does not arise.

Export of Frog Lege

10504. SHRI MULLAPP ALLY F
CHANDRAN: Wll the Mintoer of

MERCEbep

(a) whether Government have ret
any representation for tilting the ban
export of frog legs;

(b) Hso.Govemment'sdecisionthi

(d) the percentage of fm
to total seafood i
pfamw

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(a) the year-wise production of salt (c) The countries to which salt was

during the last three years; exported are:

(b) the year-wise quantity of salt ex-
ported during the last three years;

. (c) the countries to which the salt was
exported;

(d) whether entry of Bangladesh into
market is likely to hit Indian export of salt;

(e) if so, the extent thereof ; and

(f) the steps contemplated to boost
Production and export of salt in the coming

the minister of state in the
Ministry of commerce (SHRi ar-

^VlMGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Production of
during the last three years:

Quantity in
Lakh Tonnes

*S87

(b) Quantity of salt exported during the
last three years:

V^aar

Quantity in
Lakh Tonnes

1987

1988
^989

4.3
5.5
6.1

Bangladesh, Bhutan, Indonesia, Iraq,
Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritius, Nepal, Nige-
ria, North Korea, Oman, Singapore, South
Korea, Tanzania, Uganda, UAE Zaire,
Zambia, and Zimbabwe.

(d)and(e). Bangladesh is an importer
of salt and, according to present indications,
will continue to import salt for next few years.

(f) Steps contemplated to boost pro-
duction and export of salt include establish-
ment of salt works to specifically meet the
export requirements, provision of finance to
salt manufacturers through Banks, bringing
additional areas by the respective State
Governments under salt manufacturers,
improvement in quality of salt, etc.

Coverage of Newspapers by Advertise-
ments

10509. SHRIJ.CHOKKARAO:Willthe
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are aware that
a very large number of newspapers are filling
up their pages with advertisements leaving
very littie space for news;

(b) if so, the corrective steps being taken
by Government in this regards;

(c) whether Government propose to
take into consideration the ihtome of news-
papers from advertisements while allotting
the newsprint quota; and

(d) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) According to the informa-

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Written Answers 244

tion available for the calendar year 1988,
data about space devoted to advertisements
was furnished by 354 dailies. Out of these,
five dailies devoted 60% and more of their
space to advertisement. 1 6 dailies devoted
between 50-59%. Space devoted to adver-
tisement by remaining 333 dailies was below
50%.

(b) There is no such proposal before
the Government as this will tantamount to
infringement of the freedom of the Press, to
which the Government are deeply commit-
ted.

(d) Does not arise.

Export of Dress Materials

1 0510. SHRI K.S. RAO: Will the Minis-
ter of COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have banned
exports of dress materials, ready-made
garments, fabrics and textile items on which
excerpts of verses of Quaran are imprinted;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(d) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) A musKm organisation, namely,
Anjuman Able Islam had represented against
the export of dress materials/ garments and
other fabrics/ textile Hems containing im-
prints of excerpts from the Holy Quaran
because they hurt the religious sentiments
of the Muslims.

(d) An Export (Control) Amendment
order No. E(C) 0,88/ AM (49) read with
public Notice No. 26-ETC (PN) /90 both
dated 1 6-3-1 990 have been issued. Further.
at the time of announcement of Imports &
Exports Policy, 1990,-93 (Vol.ll), an Export
Trade Control Order No.E(C) 0,1988/AM
(50) dt. 30.3.90 has been issued.

Sickness In SSI Sector

10511. SHRI PRAKASH K0KO
BRAHMBATT: Will the Minister of FINANCE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether a high level standing advi-
sory committee set up to review the flow of
institutional credit to the small scale indus-
tries sector and other related matters has
expressed concern over the rising trend in
sickness in the SSI sector;

(b) if so, ths main recommendations
made by the Committee; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-

TRI): (a) to (c). In April, 1 986, Reserve Ban*
of India (RBI) had constituted a StandM
Advisory Committee under the Chairm** 1 "
ship of Dy. Governor to review the flow <*
institutional credit to Small Scale Indus* 1 ?
(SS I) Sector and other related matters and *°
suggest measures for improving the p**~
formance of the Credit Delivery System &
securing increased assistance to this
RBI has' informed that the Committee m<
periodically and its sixth meeting was he*'
on 21st April, 1990. In this meeting. 1***"
alia, the rising trend in sickness in ths S$'
sector was noted by the Committee *Nf*
concern.

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RBI has issued guidelines to all sched-
uled commercial banks for rehabilitation of
potentially viable sick SSI units. These guide-
lines emphasise the need for early detection
of incipient sickness and for taking remedial
measures in time. RBI have also laid down
tf\€ viability norms and parameters for pro-
viding relief/concessions to potentially vi-
able sick SSI units.

IDBI has also formulated a refinance
scheme for extending rehabilitation assis-
tance to sick small scale industrial units
through banks and State level financial insti-
tutions. The National Equity Fund Scheme
launched by IDBI in 1987 also provides
equity type of support for rehabilitation of
potentially viable sick units in the SSI sector,
eligible under the scheme.

Super Zinc Smelter Plant

10512. SHRI GULAB CHAND
KATARIA: Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state:

(a) when the work on Super Zinc Smelter
Plan near Chittorgarh is likely to commerce
and when it will start production;

(b) whether local people will be pre-
ferred in employment there; and

done through open advertisement.

Mopping up of Household Sector
Savings

10513. SHRIJ.CHOKKA RAO: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the additional measures Govern-
ment propose to evolve for mopping up the
savings in the household sector; and

(b) the expected amount of savings in
1990-91?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) Small Savings Schemes admini-
stered by the Government are under con-
stant review and whenever need arises
changes are carried out with a view to maxi-
mise the collections.

Besides, Government propose to ex-
tend the Deposit Scheme for Retiring Gov-
ernment Employees, 1989 to the Retiring
Employees of Public Sector companies. The
limit of deposits under the National Savings
Scheme 1987 is also proposed to be in-
creased from Rs. 30,000 to Rs 40,000 in a

(b) The net collections under the vari-
ous Small Savings Schemes during 1990-91
are estimated at Rs. 5,500 crores.

THE MINISTER OFSTEEL AND MINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(&HRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Work on
**• Smerter on Hindustan Zinc Limited near
Chittorgarh, commenced in April, 1989. It is
Bkely to start production for June, 1991 .

(b) and (c). Workmen are employed
through the District Employment Exchange,
Object to suitability. If candidates spon-
sored by the Employment Exchange are not
t°und suitable for the job, recruitment is

[Translation]

Export of Foodgralns

10514. SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR
MAHALE: Will the Minister of COMMERCE
be pleased to state:

(a) the names of foodgrains/|pulses being
exported at present; *

(b) the names of countries to which

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these commodities are being exported;

(d) the target fixed tor the export of
these items during the current year; and

(e) the steps being taken by Govern-
ment to increase these exports?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b).
Foodgrains permitted for export are basmati
rice, allowed under OGL, and non-basmati
rice, wheat, bajra, jowar, ragi and barley
allowed subject to annual ceiling fixed by the

government depending upon the availability
of export surplus etc. Bulk of these items are
exported to the Middle East countries, USSR,
UK and USA.

Export of pulses is not permitted except
in case of processed pulses made out of the
pulses imported under the Advance Licens-
ing Scheme, Pass Book or by an approved
100 per cent export oriented unit.

(d) and (e). No targets have been fixed

for export of foodgrains, as export of item
under limited ceiling depends upon est
mated production, consumption and sui
pluses, as well as their price competitive
ness. Within these limitations, efforts ar
made to encourage exports by tackin
operational constraints.

[English]

Drop In Proposals from NM

10515. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJB
WARI: Will the Minister of FINANCE I
pleased to state:

(a) whether there has been a drop in tl
number of proposals received from no
resident Indian during 1989;

(b) if so, the extent thereof and tl
reasons therefor; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TH
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHA!
TRI): (a) to (c). The following stateme
shows the number of applications receive
from NRIs, proposals approved by the O
partment of Industrial Development (Seen
tariat for Industrial Approval) and the Nl
investment proposed:—

1988

1989

I) Number of applications/
proposals received.

ii) Number of applications
approval

162

112

102

NRI Investments:

Amount Rs. in crores

a) Repatriation basis.

17.78

64.26

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1988

1989

b) Non-Repatriation basis.

38.89

13.59

iv) Project Cost.

228.98

57.08

The above table shows that although
there is a drop in the number of applications
there has been a rise in approvals for the NRI
investment in India.

Ship Breaking Yards

10516. SHRI GOPI NATH GAJAPA-
THI: Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES
be pleased to state:

(a) the number of ship breaking yards in
the country and the number of ships allowed
to each of them in 1989-90;

licences scheme.

(b) No, Sir.

Slop in US Economic Aid to India

10517. SHRI DHARMESH PRASAI
VARMA:
SHRI CHITTA BASU:

Will the Minister of FINANCE be please
to state:

(b) whether Government had a pro-
posal to set up one ship breaking yard at
Paradeep and another at Gopalpur in Orissa;
and

(f) if so, the details thereof ? .

THE MINISTER OFSTEEL AND MINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) There are
% ship breaking yards, registered with the
Metal Scrap Trading Corporation, in the
°<Hintry, located at various coasted Staes.
^resides these there are about 100
shopbreakers in Bombay and 30 in Calcutta
*ho are allowed to break ships as and when
they are allotted breaking sites by the con-
cerned port authorities. During 1 989-90, 3
ships one each to 3 such registered yards at
Wang (Gujarat) were allocated by MSTC. In
addition to these 44 ships for breaking are
reported to have been directly imported by
^ ship breakers, under the REP/Additional

(a) whether the United States of Amei
ica has decided to stop economic assistanc
of twenty-five milibn dollar already earmarke
for India for 1 991 ; and

(b) if so, the reasons therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THI
MltflSTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS
TRI): (a) According to proposals made by th
US Administration to the Congress, an
amount of US $ 22 million is expected to b
provided to India in the form of devebpmer
assistance in Fiscal Year 1991.

(b) Does not arise

[Translation]

Drug Trafficking In Bihar

10518. SHRI TEJ NARAYAN SINGK
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased t
state: *

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(a) whether Government are aware of
the increasing incidents of drug trafficking in
Bihar; and

(b) if so, the effective steps being taken
to check this tendency?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). Information available with
the Narcotics Control Bureau relating to the
quantities of various drugs seized in Bihar do
not indicate any increase in Incidence of
drug trafficking in that State. However, in
view of its proximity to Nepal, Bihar is vulner-
able to trafficking of drugs, particularly,
hashish and ganja. Our enforcement agen-
cies remain alert to prevent drug trafficking.
A zonal office of the Narcotics Control Bu-
reau has also been set up at Varanasi,
covering Bihar among other States, to monitor
the drug trafficking situation in the area and
to coordinate with the concerned State en-
forcement agencies for appropriate action.

[English]

Task Force for Distribution of iron and

Steel

10519. SHRI K.S. RAO: Will the Minis-
ter of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the task-force appointed by
Government to review the guidelines and
suggest modifications for distribution of iron
and steel has submitted its report;

Task Force in its report submitted to G<
ment sought to address certain imp
issues such as priority classification,
pact group, basis for fixation of entitle
mode of supplies to the small scale a
new and sick units etc., and has give
ommendations on some of them. Th
port is under examination.

Guidelines for Merchant Banks

10520. SHRI K.S.RAO: Will the
ter of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Securities an
change Board of India has recently i
guidelines for the merchant bankers;

(b) if so, the details of the guide!

(d) if so, the details thereof ; and

(e) the steps contemplated to a
fears of the small merchant bankers?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANILS
TRI): (a) The Government have issui
guidelines for merchant bankers on 0th
1990.

(b) A copy of the guidelines is
below.

(b) if so, what are its recommendations;
and

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) to (c). The

(c) The guidelines have, by and
beervwell received. It is possible that
merchant bankers may have reservi
about some aspects of the guidelines i
would regulate their activities. However,
have reported that so far no small mer
banker has expressed specially in writ
verbally any resentment to tbem ovi
stipulation envisaged in the guide

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though some newspapers have
them.

(d) and (e). The question does not
irise.

STATEMENT

GuideSnes tor Merchant Bankers

1. Authorisation

Any person or body proposing to en-
gage in the business of merchant banking
would need authorisation by the Securities
and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) in their
proscribed format This wiH also apply to
those presently engaged in merchant bank-
ing activity, including as Managers, Consult-
ants or Advisers to issue.

2. Authorised Activities

a) Issue management, which will in-
ter-alia consist of preparation of
prospectus and other information
relating to the issue, determining
financing structure, tie-up of finan-
ciers and final allotment and/or
refund of the subscription.

b) Corporate adviser services relat-
ing to the issue.

c) Underwriting

«J) Portfolio management services.

e) Managers, Consultants or Advis-
ers in the Issue.

* Authorisation Criteria

All merchant bankers are expected to
Perform with high standards of integrity and
tairnass in all their dealings. A code of con-
ductor merchant bankers will be prescribed
ty SEBI. Within this context SEBI's authori-

sation criteria would take into account mainly
the following: —

a) Professional competence.

b) Personnel, their adequacy and
quality, and other infrastructure.

c) Capital adequacy.

d) Past tract record, experience,
general, reputation and fairness in
all their transactions.

4. Terms of Authorisation

a) AH merchant bankers, including the
existing one must obtain the au-
thorisation from SEBI within three
months from the issue of these
guidelines, SEBI may extend this
period at its discretion by a maxi-
mum of three more months.

b) Ail merchant bankers must have a
minimum net worth of Rs. one crore.

c) The authorisation will be for an
initial period of there years.

d) SEBI may collect from the mer-
chant bankers an initial authorisa-
tion fee, an annual fee and a re-
newal fee.

e) All issues should be managed by at
least one authorised merchant
banker, functioning as the sole
manager or the lead manager.
Ordinarily, not more then two mer-
chant bankers should be associ-
ated as lead managers, advisers
and consultants to a public issue.
In issues of over Rs. 1 00 crores,
the number could go upto a maxi-
mum of four.

f ) The specific responsibilities of each

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lead manager must be submitted to
SEBI prior to the issue.

g) While Directors, promoters and
every person who authoriseds the
issue of prospectus, shall bear full
responsibility verifying the contents
of the prospectus, merchant bank-
ers shall exercise due diligence
independently veryfying the con-
tents of the prospectus and rea-
sonableness of the views ex-
pressed therein. The merchant
bankers of the issue shall certify to
this effect to SEBI.

h) To ensure a direct stake of mer-
chant banker(s) in the issue man-
aged by them, lead managers would
be required to accept a minimum
5% underwriting obligation in the
issue subject to a ceiling. Details in
this regard will be prescribed by
SEBI.

i) Lead managers/merchant bankers
would be responsible for ensuring
timely refunds and allotment of
securities to the investors.

j) The involvement of merchant bank-
ers in an issue should continue at
least till the completion of essential
follow-up steps, which must include
listing of the instrument, and
despatch of certificates, refunds.
Even if many of these activities are
handled by other intermediaries,
merchant bankers shall be respon-
sible for ensuring that these agen-
cies fulfil their functions, and must
enable themselves to discharge this
responsibility through suitable
agreements with the issuer com-
pany.

k) The merchant banker shall make
available to SEBI such information,

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documents, returns and reports as
may be prescribed, and called for.

I) SEBI shall prepare and prescribe a I
Code of Conduct for merchant i
bankers which they should adhere
to.

m) SEBI may suspend/cancel the
authorisation of merchant bankers
for suitable durations in case of
violations of the Guidelines, All such
cases will be brought to the notice
of CCI. Relevant will be brought to
the notice of CCI. Relevant details
in this regard would be worked out
by SEBI.

n) Nothing in these guidelines shall
exempt the company, its function-
aries, or other from any responsi-
bility placed on them by any exist-
ing law, regulation, guidelines or
conditions imposed with any sanc-
tion.

State-wise Contribution in Exports

10521. SHRI CHANDUBHAI
DESHMUKH: Will the Minister of COM-
MERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether his Ministry has assessed
the contribution of each State and Union
Territory in the total exports from India during ■
the last one year;

(b) if so, the details thereof ; and

taken to compile such data to help the Stad*f
to take suitable measures to increase th**

share?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN T*&
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI A**
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b). T**
State-wise export figure are not compto^"

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(c) State-wise Action Plans/Surveys f6r
raising the export potential of 1 9 States have
been completed by the Trade Development
Authority/Indian Institute of Foreign Trade.

[Translation]

Akashvani/Doordarshan Kendraa In
Western Maharashtra

10522. SHRI HARIBHAU SHANKAR
MAHALE: Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state:

(a) the district-wise number of Aka-
shvani/Doordarshan Kendras in Western
Maharashtra;

the State. The actual reception conditions,
however, depend upon the intervening dis-
tance and topography. The number of vil-
lages covered by TV service is expected to
increase substantially with the commission-
ing of the high power (1 KW) TV transmitter
under implementation at Ambajogai and
aug umentation of power of the existing 1 KW
TV transmitter at Aurangabad during the
current year. Any further expansion/improve-
ment of T.V. service in the uncovered areas
of Maharashtra would depend upon availa-
bility of resources tor future plans of TV
expansion.

STATEMENT

Radio Stations

(b) whether Government are aware that
a large number of villages in this region are
not covered by Doordarshan properly;

(d) if no action has been taken, the
reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) The district-wise number of
Radio Stations and T.V. transmitting sta-
tions in the State of Maharashtra including
the Western region, is given in the Statement
below.

The following districts of Maharashtra
have been provided with one Radio Station
each:

1 . Aurangabad

2. Bombay

3. Jalgaon

4. Nagpur

5. Parbhani

6. Pune

7. Patnagiri

(b) to (d). About half the number of 8. Sangli

villages of Maharashtra fall within the cover-
*()* area of the existing TV transmitters in 9. Sholapur

T. V. Stations

Number of TV transmitting stations

1. Greater Bombay

1 (2 Channels)

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Number of TV transmitting etatiom

2. Ralnagiri 1

3. Nash 3

4. Dhuto 3

5. Jalgaon 4

6. Ahmednaoar 1

7. Puna 1

8. Satara 2

9. SangH 1

10. Sholapur 3

11. KbRupur 2

12. Aurangabad 2

13. Parabhani 2

14. Bid 1

15. Nandad 3

16. Osmanabad 2

17. BukJana 1

18. Akola 1

19. Amravati 2

20. Yavatmal 2

21. Wardha 1

22. Nagpur 1

23. Bhandara 1

24. Chandrapur 2

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The districts of Raigarh and Thane are
covered by the High Power Transmitter at
Bombay.

Publication of Daily/Weekly Newspa-
pers from Maharashtra

10523. SHRI HARBHAU SHANKAR
MAHALE: Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to

(a) the number of registered daflyAesekly

newspapers being published from Mahar-
ashtra district-wise; and

(b) the quantity of newsprint allotted to
each of them during last three years, year-
wise?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). A statement is
given below.

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[English]

. Probe Into UCO Bank Affairs

10524. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO

BRAHMBHATT:
SHRI N.J. RATHVA:

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased

to state:

(a) whether Government have ordered
a probe into the State of affairs in the UCO
Bank;

(b) if so, the details thereof ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI):(a) No, Sir. No probe has been ordered
into the state of affairs of UCO Bank.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Discretionary Refinance to Banks

10525. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO

BRAHMBHATT:
SHRI N.J. RATHVA:

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether the Reserve Bank of India
(R.B.I.) decided to provide discretionary
refinance to save banks which are in dire
straits;

(b) if so, the details thereof ;

(d) the extent to which this will help the
banks; and

(e) thedetaite of banks, If any, proposed
to be provided assistance under the Scheme %
at present?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER N THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANLSHAS-
TRI):(a)to(e). Reserve Bank of India (RBI)
has reported that discretionary refinance is
provided to banks by it for short periods to
enable the banks to tide over temporary
mismatches between their sources and uses
of funds. Discretionary refinance is not in-
tended to overcome structural problems in
funds position of banks. The scheduled
commercial banks are permitted to draw
discretionary refinance upto an amount
equivalent to 0.50% of a bank's average
aggregate deposits in 1986-87. No prior,
sanction of RBI is required in such cases. On
this basis, limits for discretionary refinance
total Rs. 460.63 crores. In additional, for
short periods RBI may sanction additional
discretionary refinance for over-coming
temporary liquidity problems on the merits of
each case. As on March 31, 1990 the total
limits actually sanctioned to banks amounted
to Rs. 404.92 crores and the actual drawals
by the banks aggregated Rs. 277.54 crores.

Export of Iron-ore from BalladMa Mines

10526. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO
BRAHMBHATT: Will the Minister of COM-
MERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Japanese Steel Mills has
not nominated ships in the current month for
transportation of iron ore;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(c) whether it has resulted in loss of
foreign exchange for the country and in
halting of production at Baiiadilla mines;

(d) whether Government have taken up
the matter with the Japanese Government;
and

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(e) I so, the outcome thereof ?

THE MNISTER OF STATE N THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGN. SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b). There
was some shortfall in nominations of ships
fay Japanese Steel Mills in April due to con-
gestion at the Japanese Ports.

(c) There is no loss of foreign exchange
as the shortfall in April wN be made up in
subsequent months. However, production
Baladila project No. 5 was stopped for eight
days from 1 7.4.90 to 24.4.90.

(d) and (e). MMTC had taken up the
matter with the Japanese buyers as a result
of which adequate number of vessels have
been nominated for shipment during May
and June, 1990.

[Translation]

Foreign Tourism in Puahkar and AJmar

(Rajasthsn)

10S27. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT:
Will the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state: the number of foreign tourists who
visited the famous pilgrim spot, Pushkar and
Dargah Sharif Ajmer in Ajmer district of
Rajasthan and the total revenue earned from
them during the last three years?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): According to information available
from the State Government, the number of
foreign tourists, who visited Puskhar and
Ajmer during the last 3 years, are given
below:—

Yem

No. of foreign tourists

Pushkar

Ajmer

1987
1988

11,187

11,889

6,657

7,553

1989

14,104

8,097

Foreign exchange errnings from tour-
ism are not estimated State-wise or place-

[EngMsH
Transfer Policy for Executives of ITDC

10528. SHRIMtTRASENYADAV:WiH
the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the ITDC have constituted a
High Powered Committee of Dr. Executives
in 1989-90 to formulate concrete and ex-
haustive transfer policy/Rules for its execu-
tives in all units/divisions throughout the
country;

(b) if so, whether Committee have for-
mulated the transfer policy/rules;

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transfer rules as recommended by the
Committee and the date by which these
rules are likely to be notified and imple-
mented in ITDC;

(d) whether the exhaustive and con-
crete transfer rules similar to the above would
be formulated and implemented in case of
non-executives of ITDC and

(e) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) No, Sir.

(b) to (e). Does not arise.

Ban on Rims Imported by Non-Resi-
dent Indians

10529. SHRI DHARMESH PRASAD

VARMA:
SHRI P.M. SAYEED:
SHRI MANIKRAO HODLYA

GAVIT:
SHRI R.N. RAKESH:

Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to
ban import of films by NRIs;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(d) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). Government is

reviewing the policy of import of feature film*
by NRIs.

(c) and (d). As per the Import & Export
Policy for the period April 1 990 to March
1993- Vol. I announced by the Government
National Rim Development Corporation is
already importing films including video rights
of foreign feature films and video films.
Imports are made by NFDC under Open
General Licence on the basis of foreign
exchange released by the Government in its
favour.

Second Report of Ninth Finance
Commission

10530. SHRI DHARMESH PRASAD
VARMA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have found
some anomalies in the Second Report of the
Ninth Finance Commission; and

(b) if so, the details thereof and the
steps taken by Government for the removal
of anomalies?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

ADB's Concessional Assistance to

India

10531. SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA

MURTHY:
SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE
PATIL:

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether India has recently been
able to get concessional assistance from the

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Asia Development Bank (ADB);

(b) if so, the details thereof ;

(c) whether ADB had demanded of our
Government to undertake trade reforms by
expediting the industrial deregulation and
liberalisation of industrial licences;

(d) if so, the steps taken towards that

end;

(e) whether new import-Export Policy
has helped towards liberalisation and re-
moving procedural constraints to enable the
private sector to avail of the assistance from
ADB;

(f ) if so, the details of loans approved for
Indian particularly in the private sector;

(g) whether ADB hasconducted a study
of its future operational strategies and poli-
cies in the light of requirements of its donor
and member countries; and

(h) if so, the main features of study
specially in relation to the assistance to be
provided to India?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI):(a) No Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

(d) Does not arise.

(e) There is no specific proposal in this
respect in the new Export-Import Policy.

(f) Does not arise.

(g) Yes Sir. ADB had commissioned a
study by an external Panel of eminent ex-
perts, and its report "The Asian Develop-

ment Bank in the 1 900s" suggested future
operational strategies and policies for ADB
in the light of the evolving requirements of its
Developing Member Countries.

(h) The Panel's recommendations
covered expanding Bank lending to the social
infrastructure sector, especially for public
health and education and poverty alleviation
examining the impact of all projects on the
poor; paying special attention to the employ-
ment aspect; protection of the environment
by minimizing environmental risks in all
projects; assisting Developing Member
Countries in environmental policy formula-
tion; promoting private sector, directly and
indirectly; broadening and strengthening of
the Bank's policy dialogue with Developing
Member Countries; Bank operations in the
field of population through public education
and health projects; technical assistance in
support of new priorities; extension of eligi-
bility of Developing Member Countries to the
Bank's Asian Development Fund resources;
active participation in doner coordination;
expansion of the Bank's co-financing activi-
ties; financial innovations in Bank opera-
tions; need to intensify Bank efforts to foster
regional cooperation; and Bank assistance
to micro-Developing Member Countries.

Development of Tourism

10532. SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA
MURTHY: Will the Minister of TOURISM be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have permit-
ted India Tourism Development Corporation
to import a number of airconditioning units;

(b) if so, the foreign exchange involved;

(d) if so, the reasons for importing
them?

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) The Government have recently
given permission for the import of 300 air-
conditioning units for the travel trade over
the next 2 years making ITDC the nodal
agency for these imports at a reduced duty of
50%.

(b) No firm quotations have yet been
received but it is expected that the foreign
exchange involved would be in the region of
Rs. 1 0.50 crores spread over a period of 2
years.

(c) and (d). The indigenously produced
bus aircondrtk>ners have hot been providing
the comfort level that foreign tourists are
sued to, and, therefore, a need was felt to
import these airconditioning units. The im-
ports are likely to help tourism industry,
including ITDC, to increase foreign exchange
earnings.

Criticism of New Import Export Policy
by Small Scale Industry Group

10533. SHRISAMARENDRAKUNDU:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether there have been adverse
comments by the Small Scale Industry Group
regarding the import export policy recently
enunciated by Government;

(b) whether they have presented a
memorandum in this connection;

THE MINISTER OF STATE M THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) to (d). After the
announcement of the Import-Export Policy,
1 990-93, a number of representations have
been received against some of the provi-
sions of the Policy. However, basically, the
suggestions relate to the minimum threshold
prescribed for grant of Export hosue status,
which has been fixed at Rs. 5 crores on Net
Foreign Exchange Earnings basis in the
New Policy as compared to Rs. 2 crores
during the earlier policy. Based on the repre-
sentations received, the minimum threshold
for recognition as Export House has not
been reduced to Rs. 4 crores on Net Foreign
Exchange Earnings basis with suitable tran-
sitional arrangements to enable Export
Houses to achieve the aforesaid level of
exports.

IFCI Scheme for Technology Finance
and Development

10534. SHRI LK. ADVANI:

SHRI SHAMERSINH

VAGHELA:

Will the Minister of FINANCE bepleased
to state:

(a) whether a new scheme of technol-
ogy finance and development was launched
towards the end of 1 988 to provide impetus
to the technological innovations and their
commercialisation in the country by provid-
ing requisite financial support under the Risk
Capital and technology Finance Corporation
Limited sponsored by the Industrial Finance
Corporation of India;

(b) the number of projects so sanc-
tioned as yet;

(d) whether any remedial measures are
contemplated?

(c) the particulars of projects assisted in
the fields of software development, artificial
intelligence, educational robots, digitised
fonts, intermediates for pesticides and hy-
brid seeds;

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(d) the employment and investments
envisaged to be so generated and the prog-
less made so far, and

(e) the targets fixed for 1990-91 in this
isgard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER N THE
MMSTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANN.SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (e). The Risk Capital and
Technology Rnance Corporation Ltd.

(RCTC) sponsored by IFCI started a scheme
of Technology Finance & Development
towards the end of 1988 and sanctions
commenced from early 1989.

It has been reported that a total number
of 18 projects had been sanctioned under
the scheme as on 31st March, 1990. Some
of the projects sanctioned in the sp eci fi ed
fields mentioned are as under?

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IFCI has reported that the investment
risaged in these projects which are in
went stages of implementation is Rs.
96 lakhs and the direct employment gen-
ation is estimated at 640 persons.

RCTC aims at sanctioning assistance
jgregating Rs. 12 crores during the year
80-91 under this scheme.

TV Transmitters In Maharashtra In
1988-89

10536. SHRIVASANTSATHE Will the

Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state: the names of
the places where T.V. transmitters have
been commissioned in Maharashtra during
1 988 and 1 989, separately alongwith capac-
ity of each transmitter?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): The locations and power levels
of the TV transmitters commissioned in
Maharashtra during 1988 and 1989 are given
beiow:

wof Commissioning

Place

Transmitter

Gadhchiroli
Pusad
Achalpur
Amalner
Barshi
Bombay
(for Channel-ll in replacement 1 KW transmitter)
Chalisgaon
Diglur
Hingoli
Ichalkaranji
Kinwat
Karad
Manmad

LPT (100W)
LPT(100W)
LPT(100W)
LPT (100W)
LPT(100W)
HPT(100W)

LPT(100W)
LPT(100W)
LPT(100W)
LPT(100W)
LPT(100W)
LPT000W)
LPT(100W)

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Year of Commissioning

Placa

TransmMtar

Nandurbar
Osmanabad
Pandharpur
Pune
(in replacement of 0.6 KW transmitter)
Shahad
Wardha

LPT(100W)
LPT(100W)
LPT(IOOW)
HPT(100W)

LPT(100W)
LPT(100W)

Aluminium Research Institute At

Negpur

10536. SHRIVASANTSATHErWiRthe
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state:

(a) whether Government had proposed
to set up Aluminium Research Institute at
Nagpur; and

(b) if so, the details with the progress
made so far in that direction?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Yes, Sir.
The Government had sanctioned the setting
up of the Jawaharlal Nehru Aluminium Re-
search, Development and Design Centre at
Nagpur, at an estimated cost of Rs. 15.94
crores, including UNDP assistance of US $
4.11 million.

(b) The land for location of the Cent re at
Nagpur has been acquired. Preliminary work

for creation of infrastructure at site ahs been
initiated. Procurement of equipments and
recruitment of scientists and staff is in prog-
ress. The Director of the Centre and Chief
Technical Adviser under UNDP have been
appointed. Mfe ALUTERV-FKI Hungary.
have been appointed as International Sub-
contractor. The Centre has been registered
as a Society under the Registration of Socie-
ties Act

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Maganeee/Chromtte Ore Deposits In
Bhandara, Maharashtra

10537. PROF. MAHADEO

SHIWANKAR: Will the Minister of STEEL
AND MINES be pleased to state:

(a) whether deposits of valuable Man-
aganeseand Chromite Ores are available in
the Bhandara district of Maharashtra;

(b) ff so, whether mining work has been
started there and whether Government had

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received any representation in this regard on
January 29, 1990; and

THE MINISTER OFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Man-
agarose deposits are reported at Dungri
Buzurg, ChiWa and Hlwara, Asolpani, Nave-
gaon-Hiwara, G.F, Karli and G.F. Bhawan-
thaM areas of Bhandara district and Chromite
in Paoni of Bhandara district.

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) to (c).

All India

A.I.R., Aurangabad is presently
equipped with a 1 KW Medium Wave trans-
mitter. There is no approved scheme to
increase the transmission capacity of this
Station.

Doordarshan

(b)and(c). At present only managenese
mines are being worked in Dungribuzurg,
Chida and Hlwara

A letter dated 29.1.1990 was received
from the Hon'bie Member regarding the
availabiity of Maganese and Chromite ores
in vilage Chandi of district Bhandara in
Maharashtra and the prospects of mining
them. The matter was enquire into through
the Indian Bureau of Mines who have re-
ported that there is no occurrence of manga-
nese and chromite in village Chandi.

Rising of Transmission Capacity of
AIR/Doordarshan Centres of Auran-
gabad, Maharashtra

10538. PROF. MAHADEO

SHIWANKAR: Will the Minister of INFOR-
MATION AND BROADCASTING be pleased
to stale:

The approved Seventh Plan of Door-
darshan includes a scheme to upgrade the
Low Power (1 00 W) TV Transmitter at Auran-
gabad to High Power (10 W) A high power
(10 W) TV Transmitter has been installed a
Aurangabad and is functioning on a re-
duced power of 1 KW with effect from 7.5.90,
as the work relating to the TV tower has not
ben completed. The transmitter is envisaged
to be commissioned on full power of 10 KW
on completion of the tower.

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Rashtrlya Gramin Vikas NkJM

10539. SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJ:

SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES-
WARI:

Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state:

(a) the present transmission capacity of
Radio Station and Doordarshan Centre of
Aurangabad (Maharashtra);

(b) whether Government propose to
increase the transmission capacity of Radio
Station as well as Doordarshan Centre; and

(a) whether the Industrial Finance
Corporation of India (IFCI) has set up a
Rashtriya Gramin Vkas Nidhi;

(b) if so, whether the main purpose of
the Scheme is to suppor+ the poverty allevia-
tion programmes in the Morth Eastern Re-
gion; and

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implet nenting the scheme?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER M THE
MNISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANLSHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). Industrial Hnance Corpora-
tion of India (IFCI) has set up a Rashtriya
Gramin Vikas Nidhi (RGVN) at Guwahati.
Assam in April, 1990. The main object of
RGVN is to establish, promote, support and
develop voluntary organisations engaged in
social and economic upKftment of rural and
urban poor and physicaly and socb-eco-
nomically handicapped persons, or in f amiy
welfare programmes. Initially the organisa-
tion intends to confine its activities in the
North-Eastern Region. IFCI has agreed, in
principle, to provide to RGVN a corpus fund
upto Rs. 2 crores in a phased manner.

Export of Leather and Leather Products

10540. SHRIJ.CHOKKARAOrWiHthe
Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) the details of market promotion
measures taken to increase the export of
leather and leather products; and

(b) the specific markets being explored
for rigorous export campaign?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) The market
promotion measures taken to increase the
export of leather products include market
surveys or specific products, organisation of
Buyer-Seller Meets, sponsoring Sales teams,
participation in specialised commodity fairs,
etc. and imparting design & development
training for technicians under various inter-
national assistance and cooperation proj-
ects.

pean countries, the USA and Japan.

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Financial Institutions

(b) Th , specific r arkets being explored
for rigorous e ( portc; . npaign are West Euro-

10641. KUMARI UMA BHARATI: VWI
the Minister of RNANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the names of nationalised banks
and financial institutions which do not allow
the answering of questions in Hindi medium
in their open recruitment and departmental
examinations and whose question papers
are not prepared in digbt in Hindi and in
English; and

(b) the time by which Hindi medium
would be allowed in these examinations and
question papers would be prepared in digbt?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF RNANCE (SHRi ANIL SH AS-
TRI) : (a) and (b). While the open recruitment
for banks is conducted by various Banking
Service Recruitment Boards (B.S.R.Bs.)»
departmental promotion examinations are
generally held by banks themselves or con-
ducted through the Institute of Banking Per-
sonnel Selection. As per awailable informa-
tion, questionpapers are prepared in bilin-
gual form and candidates are given option to
write answers either in Hindi or English in
examinations conducted by Banking Serv-
ice Recruitment Boards.

Most of the banks and financial institu-
tions are also allowing Hindi medium and the
question papers are set bilingually in their
departmental promotion examinations. The
Government has already impressed upon all
banks and financial institutions to allow Hindi
medium in all examinations and to ensure
that question papers are prepared in diglot
without any further delay.

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Import of Duty Free Capital Goods

,10542. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE

PAUL:
SHRI RAMDAS SINGH:

Win the Minister of COMMERCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have permit-
ted or propose to permit certain industrial
units to import duty-free capital goods against
export obligation; and

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) to (c). No radio stations
have been set up in the State of Punjab
during the last two years. However, the
approved Seventh Plan of AIR has schemes
for setting up two new radio stations, one
each at Bhatinda and Patiala with 2 x 3 KW
FM transmitters, multi-purpose studio, re-
ceiving facilities and staff quarters in the
State of Punjab. These schemes are envis-
aged to be commissioned during 1990.

Working Condition of Journalists

(b) if so, the details thereof and the
reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) As per avail-
able information with the Department of
Revenue, the Government has neither per-
mitted nor propose to permit import of duty-
free capital goods against export obligation
to the units located in the Domestic Tariff
Area.

(b) Does not arise.

Setting up of AIR Stations In Punjab

10543. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) the details of All India Radio Stations
set up in Punjab during the last two years;

10544. PROF. VIJAY KUMAR
MALHOTRA: Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government propose to
study the working and payment conditions of
freelance journalists attached with AIR and
Doordarshan so that they are not exploited,
if so, the time by which it is proposed to be
taken up; and

(b) the measures proposed to be taken
to improve their working conditions?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). No freelance jour-
nalist is attached either with All India Radio
or Doordarshan on permanent basis. They
are booked for specific programmes keep-
ing in view their expertise in a particular
subject and payment is made to them as per
existing rules. Payments for such participa-
tions are reviewed from time to time.

(b) whether there is any proposal to set
up more Radio Stations in Punjab during the
year 1990-91; and

Income-Tax Evasion by Big Industrial

Houses
10545. SHRI PARASRAM BHARD-
WAJ: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

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(a) whether some big industrial houses
are evading income-tax by showing huge
expenses on maintenance of Guest Houses
whle in practice these Guest Houses are
used as residential houses of Directors of
those companies;

(b) if so. the details thereof and the
approximate expenditure incurred on these
Guest Houses during the last three years,
company-wise; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Under Section 37(4) of the Income-
tax Act, any expenditure incurred by an
assessee on the maintenance of any resi-
dential accommodation in the nature of a
guest house, is not allowed as a deduction
while computing the total income of the
assesses. H a Director of a company uses
any building of the company, including the
guest house, for his residential purposes
without payment of adequate rent, the value
of the perquisite computed in accordance
with the Income-tax Rules, is included in the
total income of the Director and tax is charged
thereon.

(b) For furnishing information with re-
gard to expenditure incurred on the mainte-
nance of guest houses during the last there
years by the companies belonging to large
industrial houses, whose names have not
been specified, a reference would be re-
quired to be made to the assessment rec-
ords of all the companies of ail the large
industrial houses, which are assessed to tax
by various assessing officers all over the
country. The effort made and the time spent
in collecting this information from hundreds
of files will not be commensurate with the
usefulness thereof.

felt to be a mode of tax evasion, provisions
under section 37(4) of the Income-tax Act,
referre to above, were made to enable the
Income tax Department to disallow the entire
expenditure incurred on maintenance of any
residential accommodation in the nature of a
guesthouse.

Restrictions on Length of Commercials
on Doordarshan

10546. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES-
WARfc WHI the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether restrictions on the length of
commercials on Doordarshan are likely to be
lifted;

(b) if so, whether any concrete propos-
als have been received in this regard; and

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING ANDMINISTEROF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) to (c). Except for the pre-
scribed minimum duration of 10 seconds,
there is no restriction on the length of a
commercial advertisement for telecast
However, acceptance of advertisements for
any particular capsule is dependent on the
duration of such capsule.

A.D.B/S Annual Meeting

10647. SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJES-
WARI:
SHRI G.S. BASAVARAJ:

Willthe Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether Twenty Third annual meet-
ing of the Asian Development Bank was held
recently;

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(b) I so, whether the developing coun-
try is were disturbed over the overwhelming
do mina tion of the developed nations in
shaping ADB's policies and the tendency to
attach conditions to bans; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MW6TRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) Yes Sir.

(b) ADB's policies are shaped by the
Board of Director's where Asian Countries
have majority of share holding.

(c) The issues regarding next Replen-
ishment of Asian Development Fund, Fourth
General Capital Increase, continuing object
poverty in the developing countries, and
admission of both Turkey and Mongolia to
the Bank, were discussed. However, no final
decisions were taken on these issues.

Search and Seizure Caees

10548. SHRI MANORANJAN
BHAKATA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) the number of search and seizure
cases in which assessments are still pend-
ing against tax evasion as on 1 April, 1990;

(b) whether any prosecutions were
launched during this period; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOFFINANCE(SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) As on 1st April, 1990, 16.211
assessments were pending in search and
seizure cases.

(b) and (c). 8,929 prosecutions have
been launched during the 1 989-90, of which,

596 were lunched for tax evasion.

Distribution of Iron and Steel Materials

10549. SHRI NAKUL NAYAK:
SHRI KESHARI LAL:
SHRI A. VUAYARAGHAVAN:

WW the Minister of STEEL AND MMES
be pleased to state:

(a) whether steel distribution by Branch
Sales Office. Steel Authority of India Ltd..
New Delhi has been done by violating norms
of licensed capacity offtake entitlement of
parties since 1 April, 1989;

(b) the detals of gross irregularities
pointed out by Departmental Committee/
Government auditors on 21.10.89, 1.1.90
and 26.12.89 respectively;

(c) whether parties covered in dbove
reports were favoured by allowing them to
change their demand after cutoff date, by
accepting booking beyond computer sum-
mary, by accepting proportionately higher
percentage of booking and by physicaly
releasing stiH more materials;

(d) if so, the detals of each party coverd
in above reports, indicating full particulars of
their licensed capacity, item/quantity-wise
coverage of demand as per computer sum-
mary, Kern-wise offtake/entitlement of items/
quantities booked and released under all the
scheme since April 89 to June, 90 (quarter-
wise); and

(e) the action taken by Government in
this regard?

THE MINISTEROF STEEL AND MINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) and (b).
BSO, SAIL, New Delhi has supplied iron and
steel materials in terms of JPC guidelines,
past practices and on submission of docu-

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(b) I so, the detaHs thereof ; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). As per information avail-
able with Reserve Bank of India (RBI), dur-
ing the year 1989, one case of burglary at
Amritsar branch of Bank of Maharashtra on
7th/8th January, 1989 was reported by the
bank in which 44 safe deposit lockers wee
found broken open. Besides, twocomplaints
were made by the customers one each in
respect of Mysore branch of Canara Bank
and Park Circus (Calcutta) branch of Dena
Bank alleging missing of certain ornaments
from respective lockers.

(c) The banks have their own internal
instructions/guidelines for the maintenance
and operation of the lockers. RBI has ad-
vised all the banks to take precautionary
measures particularly with regard to the
location of the vault, nature of the lockers,
need for burglar alarm systems arid liaison
with local police. RBI has also made a study
of certain branches of banks and based on
its findings, advised the banks to take neces-

sary steps to strengthen the system by plug-
ging the loopholes to avoid loss of artidet
from the safe deposit vaults.

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Financial Assistance Given to Kerala by

10554. PROF. K.V. THOMAS: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the financial assistance given to
Kerala by the Life Insurance Corporation for
various schemes during the last three years
with details of the schemes;

(b) whether there is prompt repayment
to the LIC; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
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(b) Yes, Sir.

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Export of Cashew Nuts

10555. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the
Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) the quantity and value of processed
cashew-nuts exported during the year 1 989-

90;

(b) the target set for export of cashew-
nuts in current year; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) According to
provisional figures received from the Cashew
Export Promotion Council, the qnantity and
value of cashew kernels exported during
1989-90 were 45,1 196 MT and Rs. 363.52
crores respectively.

(b) A tentative target of Rs. 400 crores
has been set for export of cashew kernels
during 1990-91. This is subject to revision.

i) Exports on OGL;

ii) REP of 1 0% on exports of cashew
kernels;

Hi) A CCS of 8% on the exports of
cashew kernels roasted and salted,

in consumer packs of one kg or
less;

iv) Publicity through Indian missions
abroad; publication of pro/notional
literature in various foreign lan-
guages and distribution abroad;

v) Promoting Delegations of export-
ers to strengthen and develop
contacts with importers and iden-
tify problems.

Financial Assistance to Kerala

10556. SHRI A. CHARLES: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the financial assistance given to

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grants allocated underthe planned schemes;

(b) the purposes for which the assis-
tance was given and the amount given for
each;

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have not been fully utilised or misutilised?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SH AS-
TRI): (a) and (b). A total amount of Rs.
636.03 crores was given to the Government
of Kerala during 1989-90 besides Central
Assistance for State's Annual Plan and
Central/Centrally sponsored schemes for that
year, as shown below: \

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(c)and(d). Share in Central taxes and
duties and grant in lieu of tax on Railway
Passenger fares under the recommenda-
tions of the Finance Commission were in the
nature of general assistance to the State and
thus their release is not linked to any specific
purpose. Similarly, small savings ban given
on the basis of net collection in the State
were not linked to any specific purpose.

Central assistance for upgradation of
standards of administration and relief of
natural calamities were released on the basis
of the progress/completion of schemes.

Gap between Supply and Demand of
Natural Rubber

10557. SHRI A. CHARLES: WIH the
Ministerof COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) the steps being taken by Govern-
ment to bridge the gap between demand and
supply of natural rubber within the country;

(b) whether any steps have been taken
to expand the cultivation of rubber to non-
conventional areas;

(b) and (c). Yes, Sir. Various stepshaw |_
been taken to expand cultivation of rubber to
non-conventional areas. These inter-afe
include setting up of Regional Rubber Re- 1 -
search Stations, establishment of nurseries,
provision of extension services, supplies and
training, & financial assistance under the
rubber plantation development scheme. The
area brought under rubber during the last
three years have been under —

Year

Area Cm hectares)

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1988-89

1989-90

4.000

6,000

8,000 Provisional

(d) The nurseries established by the

Rubber Board distribute planting material to
small holders at concessional rates. In addi-
tional, nurseries operated by the private
owners and rubber growers societies also
provide high-yielding planting materials to
the rubber growers.

(c) if so, details thereof and hectares of
land brought under rubber plantation during
the last three years, year-wise; and

(d) the measures taken by Government
to promote cultivation of high yielding variety
of rubber plants?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGILSREEDHARAN):(a) Increase in the
indigenous production through expansion of
rubber cultivation and improvement of pro-
ductivity are the main steps being taken by
the Govt, to bridge the gap between demand
and supply of natural rubber within the coun-
try. Necessary imports for this purpose are
also being made.

Aluminium Production

10558. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA
NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state:

(a) the names of various public sector
undertakings engaged in aluminium produc-
tion at present;

(b) the achievement made by those
public sector companies in increasing alu-
minium in the Seventh Five Year Plan;

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(d) if so, the specific measures pro-
posed to be taken in that direction?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL ANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DJNESH GOSWAMI): (a) Two public
sectors companies, viz. Bharat Aluminium
Company Limited (BALCO) National Alu-
minium Company Limited (NALCO), are
engaged in production of aluminium metaL

(b) During the Seventh Five Year Plan
period the production of BALCO has been
more than 90%of instated capacity. NALGO
started commercial production during 1 987-
88 when it produced 25,753 tonnes of alu-
minium. Its production has progressively
increased to 135,01 8 tonnes in 1 989-90, the
terminal year of Seventh Five Year Plan.

(c) and (d). Yes, Sir. Some of the
primary producers of aluminium have plans
for modernization and expansion of their
existing capacities during Eighth Plan.

Area Covered by Doordarehan, State-

10559. SHRI A. VUAYARAGHAVAN:
Win the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) the details regarding the State-wise
percentage of area and population covered
by T.V. programmes; and

(b) by what time the total aree of Kerala
will be covered by T.V. programme?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) TV coverage, area-wise
and population-wise, in various States/Un-w
ion Territories as at present is given in the
Statement below.

(b) With the commissioning of the high
power (10 KW) TV transmitter (in replace-
ment of the existing low power (100 W)
transmitter) under implementation at Calicut
by 1992-93, about 97% area of Kerala is
expected to be brought under TV coverage
(inclusive of the areas receiving fringe serv-
ice, where elevated antennae and boosters
etc. are required for obtaining satisfactory
reception). Further improvement of TV cov-
erage in Kerala depends upon availability of
resources for the purpose.

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Per sons Displaced from Mining Area*

10560. SHRI MANORANJAN
BHAKATA: Will the Minister of STEEL AND
MINES be pleased to state:

(a) the total area at present covered
under mines;

(b) the planned overall programme to
bring more area under mining; and

(c) the number of people displaced
during, the three years from areas brought
under mining and likely to be displaced in
1990-91?

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THEMINISTEROFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(ShtRI DtNESH GOSWAMI): (a) to (c). Total
area covered under mining leases in the
oojihtiy at present is 9,26,923 hectares.

* Bringing new area under mining opera-
tions depends on various economic consid-
erations including potentiality of the area
and demand for minerals; there b no overall
programme in this regard.

Large scale displacement of people in
mining areas has not btlen normally taking
place. Some displacement takes place in
case of big mining projects which necessi-
tates rehabilitation of the displaced families
and such rehabilitation measures are invari-
ably undertaken by the Project Authorities.

Procurement and Export of Iron Ore by

MMTC

10561. SHRI GOPI NATH GAJAPA-
THI: Will the Minister of COMMERCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether the stock of iron ore has
been piling up at different iron ore mines;

(b) if so, the reasons therefor;

(d) if so, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE M THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b). Son*
stocks of iron ore piled up in April, 1990*
Bailadila Mines due to delay in nomination^
ships for Vizag Port by Japanese Steel Ms
due in turn to congestion in Japanese Ports.

(d) Does not arise.

Sales outlet of Coffee Board

10562. SHRI H.C.SRIKANTAIAH:V»
the Minister of COMMERCE be pleated to
stale:

(a) whether the Sales Outlets of CoffM
Board are working Five Days a week in
Kamataka; and

(b) V so, whether Government propose
to introduce six day week for these Sales
outlet for the benefit of the public?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b). Yes,
Sir. In view of the 5 day week (40 hours) tor
all employees in the Qofee Board, it wifl be
appreciated that it would not be possMeto
adopt different norms for the Coffee Board
Retail Depots. \

Centres of SBI for Foreign Exchange ■„
Dealing and cover Operations

' 10563. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA?
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased t>
state:

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Written An$W9fB 334

(a) whether the State Bank of IndUi has
opened foreign exchange deafing centres at
Bombay, Madras and New Dehi and posted
dealers over there with a view to decentral-
ise the foreign exchange dealing and cover
operations so far centraised at its Foreign
Exchange Department Calcutta; and

(b) if so; the details therefor?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MMISTRYOFFINANCE(SHRIANLSHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). State Bank of India (SBI)
has reported that it has set up Dealing Rooms
st Bombay, Madras and New Delhi solely out
of commercial necessity and with a view to
withstand emerging competition in foreign
exchange area from other banks including
foreign banks. According to SBI, even after
setting upof Dealing Rooms at these centres,
foreign exchange work and cover operations
continue to be centralised at Foreign Depart-
ment, Calcutta.

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THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINBTRYOFPARLIAMENTARYAFFARS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir, With a view to
attract investment in hotels at tourist centers
in hlly areas, new approved hotels set up in
hMy areas above 3000 ft. not having 300
rooms of reasonable standard (3-star and
above) would be exempted from expendi-
ture tax for a period of 1 years and also be
given 50% exemption from tax under 80-1 of
the Income Tax Act provided the hotel be-
comes operational by December 1993.

Setting up of a Radio Station at
Dharchula in Uttar Pradesh

10566. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Wil
the Ministerof INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

Scheme to Construct Hotels at Hilly
Tourist Places

10564. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will
the Minister of TOURISM be pleased to

stats:

(a) whether Union Government are
formulating any scheme for construction of
hotels at various tourist places in hilly areas
oi the country with a view to provide more
accommodation facility to foreign tourists;

(b) if so, the details thereof ;

(a) whether Government are were thst
programmes of All India Radio do not reach
some border areas of Plthoragarh district
district in Uttar Pradesh;

(b) If so, whether Government have
received Several requests for setting up a
radio station at Dharchula for the benefit of
the people of that area;

(d) if not, the reasons therefor?

for developing tourist accommodations in
hilly areas; and

(d) if so, the details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTEROF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) Programmes of All India
Radio on Medium Wave are not available in
the border areas of PHhoragarh district of

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MAY 25, 1990

Written Answers 336

Uttar Pradesh. However Short Wave sup-
port service from Lucknow and Delhi are
available to this district.

(b) Yes Sir.

(c) and (d). There is no approved scheme
to set up a radio station to Dharchuia during
1990-91. Dharchuia receives Short Wave
support service from the 10 KW SW trans-
mitters at Lucknow and Delhi. The Seventh
Plan proposals of AIR includes schemes for
upgrading the Short Wave transmitters at
Lucknowand Delhi to 50 KW SW each. Then
commissioned, these transmitters are en-
visaged to provide additional Short Wave
support service to the whole of PMhoragarh,
including Darchula.

Export of FruHe

10566. SHRIHARISHRAWAT: Withe
Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether any scheme has been
formulated for the export of fruits during
1990-91;

(b) if so, the quantity of fruits proposed
to be exported during this period; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGILSREEDHARAN):(a)to(c). No spe-
cific scheme has been formulated for the
export of fruits during 1 990-91 . The Agricul-
tural & Processed Food Products Export
Development Authority (APEDA) set up by
Govt for promoting exports of agricultural &
processed food products in taking a number
of steps to increase export of fruits by organ-
ising buyer-selier meets and by participating
in international exhibitions for developing
new markets etc. h is not possible to have a
firm estimate of export of fruits during 1990-

91 as the same would depend upon various
factors such as international trading environ-
ment etc. The names of fruits, being ex-
ported are mangoes, grapes, apples, chtoos,
citrus fruits water melons etc

Opening of Bank Branches In Chamol
District of Uttar Pradesh

10567. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Wil
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to stale:

(a) the total number branches of nation-
alised banks opened in ChamoW district in
Uttar Pradesh during 1969-90; and

(b) the locations thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANI.SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). During year 1969-90 two
branches of Public Sector Banks were
opened at Bhiri and Mukku in Chamol Dis-
trict of Uttar Pradesh.

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10666. SHRIM.M.PALLAMRAJU:WW
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to stale:

(a) the names of a> foreign banks
operating in the country along with the loca-
tions of their branches;

(b) the profit figures of all foreign banks
in the country during the last three years,
year-wise;

(d) the foreign currency repatriation
figures of these banks during the last three
years, year-wise?

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Written Answer* 338

: DEPUTY MINISTER M THE
*YOF FINANCE (SHRI ANR.SHAS-
| to (d). The information it being
I and to the extant available and
Me under the statutes will be laid on
a of the House.

Export of GranNe

69. SHRI M.M PALLAM RAJU: Wil
iter of COMMERCE be pleased to

the annual exports of polished gran-
j the last three years and the foreign
ie earned therefrom;

the names of countries to which
the polished granite is exported;

the primary competitors to India in
national market; and

the steps taken by Government to
ncourage the granite industry?

: MINISTER OF STATE M THE
Vf OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
SREEDHARAN): (a) Exports of
granites including Hies during the
» years are estimated as under—

— Rs. 896 lakhs.

— R*. 1400 lakhs.

— Rs. 2300 lakhs.

fhe major buyers for Indian policed
re Japan, UK, USA. West Germany
Singapore.

The major competitors to Indian
are China, South Korea, Brazil,
rica, USA, Canada etc.
Creation of additional capacities for
oduction of cut and polished gran-
xincement of stable policies by the
comments for granite beases inclu-

sion of granite industry in the list of thrust
sectors for export efforts are some of the
steps taken by the Government to further
encourage the granite industry.

(natltutea Selling Financial Servicee

Abroad

10570. SHRI M.M. PALLAM RAJU: Wil
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to stale:

(a) how successful our financial insti-
tutes have been in selling financial services
abroad;

(b) the names of aH financial institues
Banks selling financial services abroad and
in which countries;

(c) whether any relaxation is contem-
plated in the rules regarding allowing foreign
banks to sel financial servicee in the coun-
try; and

(d) I so, the details thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER M THE
MWISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). Presently, 9 Indian banks
are operating in 25 foreign countries wherein
they are rendering banking services includ-
ing foreign exchange, financing of import-
export business, opening of letters of. credit
etc. They have played a significant role in
financing India related trade, promoting flow
of non-resident investments, providry corre-
spondent banking facilities and raising re-
sources for Indian companies. In addition,
Unit Trust of India, in association with the
Merrill Lynch of United States, hed launched
off-shorefund, namely India Growth Fund, in
1968 for mobilisation of funds from Non
Resident Indians. Unit Trust of India also
undertakes consultancy services in foreign
countries as and when provided. The names
of the Indian banks and the countries in
which they are operating are given below.

(c)and(d). Government have no pro-
posals under consideration to give any re-
laxation to the foreign banks operating in the
country to sell financial services in India

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Study About Economic Concentration
and Division of Population

10571. SHRIA.K.ROY: Wllthe Minis-
tor of FRANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have made
any study about the economic concentration
and division of the population amongst the
different economic groups;

(b) 9 so, the details thereof ;

(d) if so, the details thereof and the
taken in this regard?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MMSTRYOF FINANCE (SHRIANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). National Sample Survey
Organisation (NSSO) conducts household
consumption expenditure survey to study
ths expenditure distribution of population.
Based on the provisional results of latest
round NSS on household consumption
expenditure namely, 43rd round (1987-88),
division of population among two economic
groups, viz., "Poor and "Non-Poor is as
fallows:—

No
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(c)and(d). An accurate estimate of the
number of persons having taxable income
but who are outside the income-tax net cannot
be made. However, the Income-tax Depart-
ment is continualy striving to locate al cate-
gories of persons who are having taxable
income but are hitherto not assessed to tax.
To I cater al such persons, the Investigation
Wing undertakes survey u/s 133 B of the
income-tax Act at the business and comme-
cial premises. Abo, the Central Information
Branches colect and verify information with

a view to identify such persons.
[Translation]

Agreement with Foreign Countries

10572. SHRI QULAB CHAND
KATARIA: Will the Minister of COMMERCE
be pleased to state the names of countries
with whom India had entered intotrade agree-
ments during the period from January, 1 989
to31 March, 1990 andthe details of goods to
be imported and exported under these agree-
ments?

THE MINISTER OF STATE M THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEOHARAN):

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Exploitation of Mrarata In M.P.

10673. SHRIRESHAMLALJANGOE:
SHRI PYARELAL KHANDEL-
WAL:

WH the MMstor of STEEL AND MMES

(a) the quantity of coal, iron, corundum,
tin. dolomite, copper, diamond and Nma stone
extracted from the mines by Union Govern-
ment in Madhya-Pradesh during the period
from 1 984 to December 1 969, year-wise and
their market value at that time; and

(b) the amount of royalty paid to the
Madhya Pradesh Government on these
minerals during the above period?

THEMINISTEROFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) No mining
operation is usually undertaken by the Union
Government directly.

During the period from 1 964 to Decem-
ber, 1969, the Union Government has not
taken up any such mining operation in
Madhya Pradesh.

(b) Royally is payable only by the lease
holder to the State Government. In view of
ihe answer to part (a) of the question, the
question of payment of any royalty by the
Union Government to the Government of
Madhya Pradesh does not arise.

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Export of Iron Ore to Japan from Baatar

10574. SHRIRESHAMLALJANGDE:
WM the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
testate:

(a) the revenue earned by Government
by exporting iron ore from Bastar to japan

during the last three years; and

(b) the steps being taken to increase
the rate of export of iron ore from Bastar?

THE MMISTER OF STATE M THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Sale value of
BaHadiia Iron Ore from Bastar region ex-
ported by MMTC to Japan during the last
three years has been as under:—

Veer

Value (RsSCr)

1967-88

1988-89

1989-90
(Provisional)

119.69

163.42

203.83

(b) Export Commitments for BailadHa
iron ore lumps from Bastar have been re-
duced for the year 1990-91 on account of
domestic demand for this type of ore.

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Gold Reeervee In Msdhya Pradeeh

10575. SHRIRESHAMLALJANGDE:
WM the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state:

(a) whether a large number of people
are obtaining gold by sehring river sand in
certain villages in Raipur and Raigarh dis-
tricts of Madhya Pradesh;

(b) I so, the details thereof ;

(d) if so, the names of places and the
outcome thereof?

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MAY 25, 1990

Written Answers 348

THEMMISTEROFSTEELANDMINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) and (b).
According to information received from Govt
of Madhya Pradesh, placer gold in very small
quantity is reported to have been obtained
by panning of sand from Bajore, Tapkara,
Pharjabahar, Manderbahar Pandripani,
Khutgaon, Kandaibhr, Semerkachar Gari-
aband, Sabadmunda, Sanajpuri Nala,
Bhdrkhunda Nala, Garight Nala etc. of Rai-
garh District and from Baghmara, Deogaon,
Dumrapali Cahni area of Sonjharia Nala,
Bejaipur and Kharonokoi and Kumhari etc.
of Raipui

(c)and(d). Geological Survey of India
has been carrying out preliminary assess-
ment of gold occurrences in Tapkara-Pandir
Pani-Lude areas in Dharamjaygarh and
Jashpur Tehsils of Raigarh District since
1981. Work so far completed indicates as-
say value of gold in primary zones varying
from 0.1 to 8.2 PPM in bed rock from less
than 0.1 to 0.7 Pm in the residual soil and
from 0.1 gm/tonne to Q.8 gm/tonne in the
gravel zones/alluvial placers.

[English)

Screening of Kannada Feature Rims on
Bangalore Doordarshan

1 0576. SHRI H.C. SRIKANTAIAH: Will

CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Bangalore Doordarshan
has been screening Kannada feature films
on every Saturday;

(b) if so, whether Government propose
to take steps to screen Kannada feature
films on every Sunday on Bangalore Door-
darshan; and

provide additional hours of programme in
regional language Kannada on Saturdays?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINtSTEROF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) No, Sir.

hour earlier than on other week days.

Kannada T.V. Serials on Bangalore
Doordarshan

10577. SHRI H.C. SRIKANTAIAH: VM
the Minister ol INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) the number of Kannada T.V.
shown on Bangalore Doordarshan during
1988-89 and 1989-90;

(b) the names of the Directors Of these
TV serials and the amount paid to them by
the Bangalore Doordarshan;

i;and

(d) the criteria adopted in selecting
Kannada TV serials?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION

AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). The number off
Kannada serials shown on Doordarshan
Kendra, Bangaloreduring 1 988-89 and 1 989-
90 is seven and 22 respectively. The names
of the directors of these serials ve given
below in the statement All these were apoo-

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sored TV serials where Doordarshan was
not required to pay any amount to their
directors.

(d) All T.V. serials including those in
Kannada are selected after taking into con-
sideration the merit of the script, the creden-
tials of the director and other members of the
production team and the programme needs.

STATEMENT

Serials telecast during 1988-89

SI. No.

Name of the Serial

Name of the director

Conductor Kariyappa
Vaidya Narayana Hari

Jana Jeevana

Mahadevan

Vishva Prasad

G.R. Srinivas

Krishna Nee Bagane Baro
Saptaswara
Bisilu Kudure I
No. 55

H.M.K. Murthy
Govind

Shyam Sunder
B.N. Chandrakanth

Serials telecast during 1989-90

Sambandagalu

Asegalu Nooraaru I
Bisilu Kudure II

Hima Shweta

A.N. Prasana

Rajavardhan
Shyam Sunder

Padmini Ramachandra

Kaveri

Vishva Prasad

Parivarthane

Ravi Kiran and
Mahadev

Asegalu Nooraaru II

Premavendare Ide Ide

Rajavardhan
Ravi Kiran

Chandra Chakori

Sridhar

351

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Written Answers 352

SI. No.

Name of the Serial

Name of the director

10.

Dodda Mane

Raghavendra

11.

Mechanic Mudda

Ramesh Bhatt

12.

Alegalu

Katta Ramachandra

13.

Mr. Tenant

Sihi Kahi Chandru

14.

Namma Nammali

Arjun Dev and
T.N. Narasimhan

15.

Premada Karanji

Vlshva Prasad

16.

Crazy Corlnal

Lingaraj

17.

Nagalesu

Katta Ramachandra 1

18.

Neevu Naavu

A.S. Murthy 1

19.

Baduku Bannada Chittara

H.T. Nagendrappa 1

20.

Sphota

R. Nagesh 1

21.

Kanna Muche Kaade Koode

R.S. Kowshlk

CtCf

Preeti Prema

Arjun Dev

Audftorla of Ministry of l&B

10578. SHRI PRATAPRAO B.
BHOSALE: Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state:

(a) the names of places where auditoria
have been constructed by the Ministry.

(b) whether these auditoria are allowed
on private bookings;

(d) whether his Ministry propose to
construct such more auditoria during 1990
and 1991; and

(e) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER Of
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI p -
UPENDRA): (a) The following auditoria # e
owned by the Ministry of Information &*
Broadcasting :-

(i) Siri Fort Auditorium. New De*"'

(ii) Films Division Auditorium, M*"
hadev Road, New Delhi.

353 Written Answers JYAISTHA4, 1912 (SAKA) Written Answers 354

NFDC Auditorium, Bombay. above are allowed on private bookings.

fiv) AR Auditorium, Bombay, (c) Private bookings are done on first-

come-first-served basis. Charges of book-
(v) AIR Auditorium, New Delhi. logs are given in the statement below.

(vi) F.T.I.L Auditorium, Pune. (d) and (e). Yes, Sir. AIR envisages to

construct a small auditorium at Pune and
(b) Audrtoria mentioned at (I) to (Hi) recording studio-cum-Auditorium at Madras.

STATEMENT

I. Skifort Auditorium, New Detoi

(a) Drama/Cuitural Show Performance:

One show in the morning session (9.00 A, to 2.00 PM) Rs. 7,500/-

One show in the evening session (4.00 PM to 1 0.00 PM) Rs. 10,000/-

Additional show (same day) Rs. 4,500/-
(Maximum 3 hours)

(b) REHEARSALS:

(i) Morning Session (with r;ir conditioning Rs. 7,500/-

(ii) Morning Session (without air-conditioning Rs. 3,000/-

(iii) Evening Session (with air-conditioning) Rs. 7,500/-

(iv) Evening Session (without air-conditioning) Rs. 5,000/-

Cinema Show

(i) For one show only Rs. 10,000/-

(ii) For more than one show:

First Show Rs. 10,000/-

SecondShow Rs. 10,000/-

Third Show Rs. 8,000/-

Subsequent Shows (Per Show) Rs. 6,000/-

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Maximum 8 hours

Rs. 12,000/-

Additional Charge Rs. 2,000/- per hour

Over and above 8 hours.

Note: The party hiring the auditorium can hire the following additional space, R
required, by paying the hiring charges indicated against each:

1 . OFFICE ROOM SIN THE SIRI FORT CULTURAL CENTRE COMPLEX:
Rs. 21 1/- per room per day/per show

2. TWO GREEN ROOM & BACK STAGE:

II.

Rs. 498/- per day/pr show.

Film Division Auditorium, New Delhi

(i) Show on week days within office hours-tor first one hour

or part thereof Rs. 260/-

(ii) For every additional half an hour or part thereof

Rs.

130/-

(iii) Shows on Sundays, holidays and outside office hours on

working days Rs. 330/-

III.

(iv) For every additional half an hour or part thereof
NFDC Auditorium, Bombay

Rs.

165/-

Per Show Charges

Rs. 800/-

InvKatlon to Audience for Recording of
Programme on New YearEve

10579. SHRI PRATAPRAO B.
BHOSALE: Will the Minister of INFORMA-
TION AND BROADCASTING be pleased to
state:

grammes on New Year eve to include gen-
eral public other than the relatives/acquain-
tances of the staff of AIR & Doordarshan as
audience;

(b) if so, the time by which the criteria
will be broadbased; and

^ (a) whether Government propose to
broad base the criteria for recording of pro-

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Written Answers 358

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) to (c). General public is
Invited for audience participation in the New
Year eve programmes. Audience is invited
on the basis of the requests received from
them and out of the panel of viewers main-
tained by Audience Research Unit for invit-
ing audience for such programmes.

Facilities to Tourists Visiting
Valshnodevl

10580. SHRI PRATAPRAO B.
BHOSALE: Will the Minister of TOURISM
be pleased to state:

(a) whether pilgrims to holy shrine of
Vaishnodevi are increasing every year;

(b) whether the Department of Tourism
has taken any steps to provide additional
facilities there;

(d) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) Yes. Sir.

(b) to (d). The Central Department of
Tourism provides financial assistance for
infrastructural facilities at important tourist
places on the basis of specific proposals
received from the concerned State Govern-
ment. Such proposals are considered on
their merits, inter-se-priorities and availabil-
ity of funds. No such specific proposal has
been received from the Government of
Jammu and Kashmir for providing facilities
to tourists visiting Vaishnodevi.

Agricultural Finance Consultants

Limited

10581. SHRI S.C. VERMA: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) how the financial requirements of
the Agricultural Finance Consultants Lim-
ited (AFC) are met; and

(b) whether the staff appointed in the
AFC is selected by the Bureau of Public
Enterprises Board?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) It has been reported by the National
Bank for Agriculture and Rural Development
(NABARD) that the financial requirements
of Agricultural Finance Consultants Limited
(AFC) are met through (1 ) consultancy fees
earned on projects formulation, evaluation,
monitoring and other studies, and (2) inter-
est earned on funds invested with member
banks and public sector corporations.

(b) No, Sir.

Raid on Premises of Surl Brothers In

Delhi

10582. SHRI aM. PUTTE GOWDA:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state: •

(a) whether raids were conducted on
the office premises and residences of Surf
brothers in Delhi by the Enforcement Direc-
torate, Director of Revenue Intelligence and
the IncomeTax Department during first week
of this months;

(b) if so, the details of the incriminating
documents etc. seized during the raids; and

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THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). The searches were con-
ducted by D.R.I, and Enforcement Director-
ate on 2-5-90. The Officers of Income Tax
Department were also associated. Certain
incriminating, documents from FERA, Cus-
toms and Income Tax angles have been
seized.

Overdraft Facility to Punjab

10583. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the Punjab Government
has requested the Union Government to
enhance the overdraft facility to Punjab and
increase the period for remitting the over-
draft;

(b) if so, the action taken by Union
Government; and

maintaining any accounts of the sales and
purchases eta and thus evading taxes;

(b) if so, the steps taken to check tax
evasion by such factories; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). Utenciis are exempted from
duty under Central Excise Tariff Act, 1985.

Utenciis Manufacturers having income
exceeding Rs. 25,000/- or turnover exceed-
ing Rs. 2,50,000/- as specified in Section
44AA of the Income Tax Act, have to main-
tain accounts.

Import of Machines by Hindustan
Photof ilm Manufacturing Company

10585. SHRI V. SREENIVASA
PRASAD: Will the Minister of COMMERCE
be pleased to state:

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OFFINANCE(SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) No. Sir.

(b) and (c). Do not arise.

Tax Evasion by Utensils Manufacturing
Factories In Punjab

10584. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether various steel utensils
manufacturing factories in Punjab which are
not registered with Government are not

(a) whether the Hindustan Photof^
Manufacturing Company has imported a
number of machines recently:

(b) if so, the details of the machines
imported and the purpose for which these
machines have been imported;

(d) whether the machines have been
found defective; and

(e) if so. the responsibility fixed by

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merit on the import of defective
»?

E MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
RY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
JREEDHARAN): (a) to (e). The infor-
s being collected.

ee for Import and Distribution of
Photosensitive Material

>86. SHRI D.M. PUTTE GOWDA:
Minister of COMMERCE be pleased

whether the Delhi Professional
apher*s Association has urged
nent to end the practice of licensing
»rt and distribution of photosensitive

if so, the reaction of Government
ind whetherGovernment propose to
» the import and distribution of
nsitrve material; and

if not, the reasons therefor?

E MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
RY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
3REEDHARAN): (a) Yes, Sir.

and (c). In view of indigenous availa-
*cial types of X-ray films viz. (1 ) Lo-
ammographic films; (2) Massmini-
t>s; (3) Special types of X-ray films
■ changers; and (4) X-ray films for

nners have own SltftSd fr <>m ^e
eneral Licence to the Limited Per-
List in the Import and Export Policy
-93 on the basis of recommendation
>mmtttee of Eminent Radiologists
:ed under the chairmanship of the
Director General of Health Services.
pes of photosensitive materials are
for import under Open General Li-

Indirect Taxes under Disputes

10587. SHRI DHARMESH PRASAD
VARMA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether a huge amount of indirect
taxes and particularly Control Excise duties
is under dispute; and

(b) if so, whether Government propose
to create a forum on the pattern of the
Settlement Commission to entertain matters
relating to indirect taxes?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) A proposal is under consideration at
the preliminary stage.

Setting up of Radio Stations In Punjab
During Seventh Plan

10588. SHRI KAMAL CHAUDHRY:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) the number of Radio Stations with
location thereof set up by Government in
Punjab during the Seventh Five Year Plan;

(b) whether Government have any
proposal to set up new Radio stations in
Punjab during the Eighth Plan; and

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) No new radio station has
been commissioned in the State of Punjab
during the Seventh Five Year Plan. How-
ever, the approved Seventh Plan of AIR has
schemes for setting up new radio stations at

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Bhatinda and Patiala. These stations are
envisaged to be commissioned during 1 990.

(b) and (c). Further expansion of Radio
Service in the State of Punjabcan be consid-
ered once the financial allocation and the
physical target of the Eighth Five Year Plan
have been finalised by the Planning Com-
mission.

Import of Foreign Cars

10589. SHRI E.S.M. PAKEER MO-
HAMED: Will the Minister of COMMERCE
be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to
liberalise the rules relating to import of for-
eign cars; and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

[Translation]

Opening of Bank Branches In

Pradesh

10590. SHRIRESHAMLALJAI*
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea
state the names of places in Raipur, Bi
and Raigarh districts of Madhya Pr
where the State Bank of India, natior
bank and regional rural banks have o
their branches during the period from i
1 985 to March 31,1 990 and the names
Scheduled Castes majority places
them?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL !
TRI):The names of the centres where
Sector Banks and regional rural bank
opened their branches during the
from April 1 , 1985 to March 31 ,1990,
Districts of Bilaspur, Raigarh and Ra
Madhya Pradesh, are given in the stat
below.

The existing data reporting syster
not generate information regarding i
of Scheduled Caste majority centres.

STATEMENT

SI. No.

Name of District/Centre

Name of Bank

BILASPUR

Kodri

Allahabad Bank

Bilaspur

Korba

Sewar

Oriental Bank of Commerce

Punjab and Sind Bank

Central Bank of India

Sirgitti

State Bank of India

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Written Answer* 366

SLNo.

Name of District/Centre

Name of Bank

Budgahan

Bhothia

Kothari

Sohagpur

10.

Gewra

11.

Tenganmada

12.

Chapora (Kota)

13.

Semarsai

14.

Ramhopur

15.

Khaprikalan

16.

Achanakmar

17.

Chandli

18.

Singhara

19.

Gaud

20.

Kataud

Punjab National Bank

State Bank of Indore

State Bank of India

State Bank of Indore

State Bank of India

Central Bank of India

Punjab National Bank

Central Bank of India

Punjab National Bank
Punjab National Bank
Punjab National Bank

State Bank of India

Allahabad Bank

Punjab National Bank
5!2ts5anK of India

22.
23.
24.
25.
26.

Utarda

Pondi

Kosala

Konar

Sasha

Chilphi Bangla

Union Bank of India

Allahabad Bank

Bank of Maharashtra

Punjab National Bank

State Bank of India

367 Written Answers

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Written Answers 3

SI. No.

Name of District/Centre

Name of Bank

27.

28.

29.

30.

31.

39.

40.
41.
42.
43.
HI
44.

Mohgaon

Baithalpur

Damapur

Sildaha

Amora

32.

Morga

33.

Sakti

34.

Beipan

35.

Chhatauna

36.

Mochh Bilaspur

RAIGARH

37.

Bimda

38.

Sarabkombo

Laripani

Sl»khrapara

Konda Tarai

Sankara

Gajiadih Raigarh

RAIPUR

Raipur

State Bank of India

Union Bank of India

Allahabad Bank

State Bank of Indore

State Bank of India

State Bank of Indore

Central Bank of India

State Bank of Indore

Raigarh Kshetriya Gramin Bank

State Bank of India

Raigarh Kshetriya Gramin Bank

Central Bank of India

State Bank of India

Punjab National Bank

State Bank of India

Bank of Maharashtra

45.

Raipur

Indian Overseas Bank

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Written Answers 370

Name of District/Centre

Name of Bank

Raipur

Narra

Ganjar

Sonadib

Chanat

Lambar

Kolihadeori

Bichhrya

Pendravan

Dhansir

Samoda

Godhi

invito

Chandkhuri

Palod

Jakharpara

Dhawalpur

Patharla

Kohakuda

Borsi

Megha

State Bank of Saurashtra

Dena Bank

Punjab National Bank

State Bank of India

Dena Bank

Punjab National Bank

State Bank of India

Indian Bank

State Bank of India

Dena Bank

Punjab National Bank
State Bank of Indore
Union Bank of India
Dena Bank
Dena Bank
State Bank of India
Allahabad Bank
Dena Bank

371 Written Answer*

MAY 25, 1990

Written An s wers

SLNo.

Name of District/Centre

Name of Bank

67.
68.
69.
70.
71.
72.
73.

snoona

UrmaJ

Nartora

Sher

Soridkhurd

Bamhani

Git-Puri

74.

Deoeundra

75.

Rohansi

76.

Guma

77.

Urla

78.

Baida

79.

Khedwa

80.

*t*ne«r

81.

Gattasilli

82.

Mechka

83.

Keregaon

84.

Khauna Raipur

[English ]

Pay Scale of MMTC Employees

10591. SHRI A.K.ROY: Will the Minis-
ter of COMMERCE be pleased to state:

Punjab National Bank

Union Bank of India

Punjab National Bank

State Bank of India

Central Bank of India

State Bank of India

Union Bank of India

State Bank of India

Central Bank of India

Indian Bank

Allahabad Bank

Dena Bank

Punjab National Bank
Punjab National Bank

Dena Bark

(a) the number of employees of the
MITCO factories getting the Central Govern-
ment scale of MMTC, category-wise;

(b) the number of employees of the
MITCO factories getting wage Board scale

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Written Answers 374

of the MITCO, category-wise;

(d) whether MITCO has been merged in
MMTC and will work as its division; and

(e) if so, whether the workers will also
bo merged in MMTC and will get its scale and
other facilities, and if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANQIL SREEDHARAN): (a) The total num-
ber of offices and staff in MITCO getting
MMTC's scales are as under:

Officers — 134

Staff — 341

This is irrespective of their postings in
Office or factories.

(b) The workers of MITCO get their
wages as per the negotiated wage settle-
ment. The total number of workers covered
under the negotiated wage settlement are
916.

(c) The pay scales of officers are staff in
MITCO being equivalent to those of MMTC,
there is no difference between the two in
terms of emoluments. As regards workers,
there are no equivalent grades of employ-
ment and scales in MMTC.

(d) and (e). The Government has taken
a decision to merge MITCO with MMTC.
The various issues involved in the proposal
of merger of MITCO with MMTC; including
those of scales and cadres, are being exam-
ined by MMTC.

Beneficiaries of C>ne Workers Welfare

Fund

10592. SHRI R.L.P. VERMA: Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) the total number of beneficiaries of
Cine Workers Welfare Fund;

(b) the welfare and medical facilities
being extended to cine workers; and

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) Information is being col-
lected and will be laid on the Table of the
House.

(b) (i)

Year

Instructions have been issued
to Welfare Commissioners that
medical facilities may be pro-
vided to cine workers and their
families through medical es-
tablishments existing under
other Welfare Funds.

A scheme for award of schol-
arships being operated under
other welfare funds has been
extended to Cine-Workers
Welfare Fund also. The
amount of scholarships dis-
bursed during the last three
year is as under:

Amount

1987-88
1988-89
1989-90

Rs.

1,17,700

1 ,41 ,550

3,55,000

Budget Estimates

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does not seem feasible to introduce new
welfare schemes for the cine workers for the
present. However, efforts are constantly
made to extend benefits of the scheme for
award of scholarships to maximum number
of beneficiaries. The Welfare facilities are
provided keeping in view the resource posi-
tion of the Fund.

Transfer of Amount to Cine Artists
Welfare Fund

10593. SHRI R.LP. VERMA: Will the
Minister of INFORMATION OF BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to refer to the reply
given on 29th December, 1989 to Starred
Question No. 93 regarding transfer of profit
to Cine Workers Welfare Fund and state:

(a) whether the total amount due to
transfer to the Cine Artists Welfare Fund has
since been transferred to that Fund; and

(b) if not, the steps being taken for early
transfer of the due amount?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) No, Sir.

(b) In a meeting held in April 1990 with
the counsel of Sir Richard Attenborough,
one of the participants in the Co-production
and Finance Agreement for the film 'Gandhi',
it was decided to form a separate Trust in the
name of Cine Artists Welfare Fund in line
with the provisions in the Co-production and
Finance Agreement for the film 'Gandhi'. It
was decided that such a Trust should be set
upbyNFDC. Corporation has decided to set
up a Trust Called Cine Artists Welfare Fund
with an initial contribution of Rs. 10,001/-.
Final draft of Trust Deed is under prepara-
tion. Separately, a proposal for deputation of
an Indian delegation to V.K. for detailed
discussions for transfer of 5% of net profits
from the film 'Gandhi' to the Cine Artists

MAY 25, 1990

Welfare Fund is under consideration

Utilisation of Assistance

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•deration. T

by Sick Unto *

10594. SHRI RAM NAIK: WW the Min-
ister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Board for Industrial and
Financial Reconstruction and/or national-
ised banks exercise control over the utilisa-
tion of the interim amount disbursed to sick
units;

(b) the measure taken to see that the
relatives and /or trusted friends of owners
are not on the managing committee of the
cooperative society formed by the employ-
ees to run the sick unit;

(c) whether the above authorities en-
sure that legitimatedues, not protected under
labour laws, are paid on due dates; and

(d) the remedial measures taken/pro-
posed by Government to protect the inter-
ests of the small depositors and debenture
holders of the sick units?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (d). In terms of provisions of Sick
Industrial Companies (Special Provisions)
Act, 1 985, Board for Industrial and Financial
Reconstruction (BIFR) has no powers to
disburse monies to the sick/Weak units. Such
disbursements are made inter-alia by banks
and financial institutions who are expected
tc monitor the utilisation of the amounts
disbursed by them.

BIFR has reported that so far it has
sanctioned only one scheme for revival of a
sick industrial company with workers partici-
pation, namely Kamani Tubes Ltd. The
scheme inter-alia envisages (i) transfer of
shares of the Kamani's (about 91 .6%) and
others of the face value of Rs. 96 lakhs to the
workers' cooperative (ii) vesting the man-

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Written Answers 378

agement of the company in a reconstituted
Board of Directors consisting of profession-
ally qualified experienced persons including
2 representatives of the worker's coopera-
tive (iS) payment of retrenchment compen-
sation (n) provision for payment, among
others, to deposit holders, etc. Implementa-
tion of the scheme is monitored by the BIFR
so as to initiate remedial measures, if any
called for.

Honey of Indian Companies Blocked by

Iran

Bank Credit to Poor

10596. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the Reserve Bank of India
has given any instructions to the national-
ised and other commercial banks to step up

to the poor; and

(b) if so, broad features thereof?

10595. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to

state:

(a) whether Rs. 59 crores of some
Indian Companies have been blocked by

Iran;

(b) if so, whether Union Government
have taken up this issue with Iran; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) According to information received
from Reserve Bank of India, the outstandings
as on 31 .3.89 in respect of project exports
and commodity exports mad 9 to Iran
amounted to an equivalent of Rs. 46.98
crores.

(b) and (c). The question of payments
due to various Indian companies was taken
up by the Government of India with the
Government of Iran in August, 1 989. It was
agreed that the Government of Iran would
look into the daims of Indian companies and
facilitate payments to them from Iranian firms/
government agencies and other legal enti-
ties in respect of legitimate pending claims.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI):(a)and(b). Banks were advised by the
Reserve Bank of India to raise the proportion
of their advances to 40 percent and 10
percent of their total advances to Priority
Sector and 'Weaker Sections' respectively.
To achieve these objectives, banks are ac-
tively participating in special programmes
initiated by Government such as the Inte-
grated Rural Development Programme
(IRDP), Differential Rate of Interest (DRI)
Scheme and Self-Employment Programme
for Urban Poor (SEPUP) for improving the
economic condition of the weaker sections.
The DRI Scheme caters to the credit require-
ments of the weaker among the weak and
assists them in their efforts to better their
economic condition by small productive
endeavours. Integrated Rural Development
Programme aims at helping identified poor
families in the rural areas to cross the pov-
erty line by enabling them to acquire produc-
tive assets with the help of subsidy and
institutional finance. Self-Employment Pro-
gramme for Urban Poor aims to provide self-
employment opportunities to urban poor and
covers all cities/towns which are not covered
under integrated Rural Development Pro-
gramme. Persons whose total family income
does not exceed Rs. 600/- p.m. are eligible
for assistance under this programme.

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Coins Black Marketing

10597. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether there is black-marketing of
coins in the country;

(b) if so, whether any arrests have been
made in this connection in 1988-89 and
1989-90; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). As a result of various steps
taken by the Government to step up produc-
tion and supply of coins there is abundant
availability of coins in the country. No arrest
on account of black marketing of coins has
been reported by any State Government.

Assistance by Financial Institutions for
Industrial Development in Tamil Nadu

10598. SHRI ANBARASU ERA: Will
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether any financial aid has been
given by the public sector financial institu-
tions for the promotion of industrial develop-
ment in Tamil Nadu during the last two years;
and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). The Industrial Develop-

ment Bank of India (IDBI) has reported that
the three Ail-India Financial Institutions
namely, Industrial Development Bank of India
(IDBI), Industrial Finance Corporationof India
(IFCi) and industrial Credit and Investment
Corporation of India.Ltd. (ICICI) have during
the last two years sanctioned and disburse
the following amounts to projects in Tamil
Nadu.

Rs. in crores)

(April-March)

1987-88

198849

Sanctions

667.34

Disbursements 421.13

1029.96

647.85

Bokaro Steel Plant

10599. SHRI A.K. ROY: Will the Minis-
ter of STEEL AND MINES be pleased to
state:

(a) the number of theft cases of stwl
and other materials from Bokaro Steel Plant
in the last five years and the amount of loss
thereof with year-wise break-up;

(b) the expenditure on the security in
the plan during the above period;

(e) the steps taken to check them?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL ANDMINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) The
desired information is given below:

Year

Total No of cases reported*

Amount of Loss*

1985

Rs. 1,00,115/-

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Total No of cases reported*

Amount of Loss*

32
30
35
45

Rs. 70,260/-

Rs. 2,68,800/-

Rs. 73,550/-

Rs. 57,257/-

» Captive Mines

he amount off expenditure incurred
purity in the Plant during the above
is Rs. 2,406.29 lakhs.

3 (e). No, Sir. There is no such
n.

Corruption In MITCO

K). SHRI A.K. ROY: Will the Minis-
)MMERCE be pleased to state:

whether some cases of corruption in
ling Corporation have come to the
Government during the last three

f so, the details thereof and action
reon?

MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Y OF COMMERCE (SHRi AR-
REEDHARAN): (a) and (b). Some
ts were received in the past by the
ent. After verification of facts from
it was found that the allegations
prima facie substantiated.

Iture Incurred on Jkrth Houses
at Time of Session

11. SHRI SUDHIR GIRI: Will the
)f FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) the amount of expenditure incurred
per hour while both the Houses of Parlia-
ment are in Session; and

(b) the amount of expenditure per hour
while not in session?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). There are at present no
standing arrangements for compilation of
the expenditure incurred by various Govern-
ment agencies while both the Houses of
Parliament are in session and when they are
not in session. The total expenditure in-
curred by Government on a day's sitting of
Parliament comprises not only the expendi-
ture of the two Secretariats of the Parliament
but also of other Ministries of the Govern-
ment of India involved in various Parliamen-
tary work. In view of these inherent limita-
tions, it is not practicable to compile the
requisite information in a meaningful man-
ner.

Cases Pending In Maharashtra High

Court

10602. SHRIVASANTSATHE:Willthe
Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased
to state:

(a) the number of cases pending Ua the

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High Court of Maharashtra during the last
three years, year-wise; and

(b) the steps proposed to be taken by
Government for early disposal of arrears of
cases and provide speedy and cheap jus-
tice?

THE MINISTER OF STEELAND MINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) The
number of cases pending in Bombay High
Courts during the last 3 years is as follows:

Year

No. of cases

Performance of Nationalised Banl

10603. SHRI VASANTSATHE:Wi
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to si

(a) the names of first five nations
commercial banks in terms of their outsl
ing performance for the year 1989-S
order of their merits and main achieves
and also the bottom three with unsati
tory performance;

(b) the incentive given for better
formance and disincentives for unsati
tory performance; and

1987

2 (c) the efforts being made/jproposc

encouraging healthy competitions an

139548 the nationalised banks?

1988

1989

142891

156454

(b) The matter of filling up the vacant
posts of judges in the Bombay High Court is
engaging the attention of the Government.
Besides, a Committee of 3 Chief Justices of
High Courts has been constituted by the
Government in January, 1 989 to study the
problem of arrears in Courts and to suggest
remedial measures.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRYOFFINANCE(SHRIANILSI
TRI): (a) The performance of banks ca
judged by various parameters relatir
their functioning. In so far as advano
priority sector and weaker section, with s
lated targets of 40% and 1 0% of tota
varices respectively, are concerned, th<
five and last three nationalised banks (c
20 nationalised banks) according to
performance as at the end of Decei
1 989 (latest available) are given below

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(b) and (c). The performance of public
Ktor banks are continuously reviewed by
ieserve Bank of India and instructions are
sued to the banks accordingly.

Pension for Members of Parliament

1 0604. PROF. K. V. THOMAS: Will the
inister of PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS be
leased to state:

(a) whether there is any proposal to
mend the Salary, Allowances and Pension
f Members of Parliament Act, 1954, to
lake the Members of Parliament who re-
igned in Eighth Lok Sabha eligible for pen-
bn;and

(b) if so, the details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
ND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
IPENDRA): (a) and (b). The Joint Commu-
te on Salaries and Allowances of Members
f Parliament has recommended some
mendments to the rates of pension etc., of
x-Members of Parliament. These are un-
er consideration of the Government.

Cases Pending In Orissa High Courts

10605. SHRI ANADI CHARAN DAS:
AS the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be
leased to state:

(a) the number of cases pending in the
rissa High Court with the number of civil
rid criminal cases pending as on 31 De-
»mber, 1 989;

(b) whether Government are contem-
ating to increase the number of High Courts
idge to deal with justice expeditiously;

(d) if not, the reasons therefor?

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) As on
31 st December, 1 989. 37330 cases (32888
Civil and 4442 Criminal cases) were pending
in Orissa High Court.

(b) and (c). Yes, Sir. The matter of filling
up 2 vacancies in the sanctioned strength of
14 permanent /Additional Judges of Orissa
High Court is engaging the attention of the
Government of India.

(d) Does not arise.

Setting up of Subsidiary Unit of LIC for

Housing

10606. SHRI A.R. ANTULAY: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are consider-
ing to set up a separate corporation or a
subsidiary unit under the Life Insurance
Corporation to look after the business for
housing to the LIC policy-holders; and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). LIC has, with Govern-
ment's approval, set up a subsidiary housing
finance company to take over progressively
its own activities in the area of housing
finance.

The Company, LIC Housing Finance
Ltd.,formed jointly by LIC with UTI.ICICI and
IFCI has in a phased manner been taking
over from LIC its individual housing loans
portfolio and operates now from 8 centres.

Assistance Provided by Financial

Institutions for Industrial Development

In Andaman and Nicobar Islands

10607. SHRI MANORANJAN
BHAKATA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

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(a) the financial assistance sanctioned
by various public sector financial institutions
for the promotion of industrial development
in Andaman and Nicobar Islands during the
last two years; and

(b) the actual amount, out of the above,
disbursed in the Union Territory during the
above period?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). It has been reported by
industrial Development Bank of India (IDBI)
that the four All-India Term Lending Finan-
cial Institutions namely, Industrial Develop-
ment Bank of India (IDBI), Industrial Finance
Corporation of India (IFCI), Industrial Credit
and Investment Corporation of India Ltd.
(ICICI) and industrial Reconstruction Bank
of India (IRBI) have together sanctioned and
disbursed during the last two years to units
located in Andaman and Nicobar Islands
and following amounts:

(Rs. in lakhs)

1987-83

1988-89

Sanction

62.0

Disbursements 42.0

23.0

39.0

Opening of Regional Rural Bank In
Andaman and Nicobar Islands

10608. SHRI MANORANJAN
BHAKATA: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) the number of regional rural banks
opened in Andaman and Nicobar Islands
during 1987-88, 1988-89 and 1989-90;

(b) whether Government propose to
open more regional rural banks there in
1990-91; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRY OF RNANCE (SHRI ANILS
TRI): (a) No, Regional Rural Bank has
established in Andaman and Nicofe
lands so far.

(b) and (c). There is no pcopa
present to open any Regional Rural Bt
the Andaman and Nicobar Islands d
1990-91.

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Loans Advanced Under SEEIT

10609. SHRI RAJ VEER SINGH
the Minister of FINANCE be pleas
state:

(a) the number of persons benefit*
far, under the Self-employment to Edw
Unemployed Youth Scheme;

(b) the total amount of loans pro
under the Scheme during 1989—90; i

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANILS
TRI): (a) and (b). Reserve Bank of
reported that under the Self — Employ
Schemefor Educated Unemployment)
(SEEUY), loans have been sanctom
1 2.36 lakh persons during the period 1 S
84 to 1 988-89. The data for the year 1 9E
regarding the number of beneficiaries
the amount of loans sanctioned to
under SEEUY Scheme has not yet be<
available.

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ie scheme for which a provision of Rs. 57
rores has been made for the year 1 990-91 .

Foreign Projects Bagged by Indian
Companies

10610. SHRI RAJVEER SINGH: Will
>g Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to
late:

10. Jordan

1 1 . Libya

12. Matyasia

13. Malawi

14. Malta

(a) the number of projects in foreign
ountries for which contracts were received
y Indian companies; and

(b) the names of the countries awarding
uch contracts?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
tNGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) The total num-
er of contracts for Overseas projects re-
eived by the Indian companies during the
eriod 1987, 1988-89 and 1989-90 were
00, according to the information received
om the Exim Bank of India.

(b) Names of the countries awarding
lese contracts were as under:

15. Maldvies

16. Mozambique

17.

Nepal

18.

Nigeria

19.

Niger

20.

Oman

21.

PDRY

22.

Qatar

23. Saudi Arabia

24. Sri Lanka

Algeria

Bahrain

Bangladesh

Ethiopia

Indonesia

6. Iran

Iraq

Kenya
Kuwait

25. Somalia

26. Sudan

27. Syria

28.

Taiwan

29.

Thailand

30.

Turkey

31.

UAE

32. YAR

33. Zambia

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Recruitment of Class— IV Employees in

Banks

10611. SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether the Class-IV employees
are first employed in daily wages basis by
the concerned Branch Managers of the banks
and later on regularised;

(b) if so, whether Government propose
to frame rules and procedure to be followed
for the recruitment of Class-IV employees
by the various nationalised banks ; and

(c) the number of Class -IV employes
working in different nationalised banks at
present on temporary/daily wages basis and
when will their services be regularised?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) to (c). The recruitment in subordi-
nate cadre in public sector banks is done
through the Employment Exchanges/Zila
Sainik Boards/Vocational Rehabilitations
Centres. Regular appointments in subordi-
nate cadre of the bank are not made by the
branch managers disrectly. Vacancies of
temporary nature are, however, filled on
temporary/daily wages basis to enable the
banks to cope with the increase in work of a
temporary nature/absenteeism of the regu-
lar incumbents. Temporary employees, as
per the provisions of the Bipartite settle-
ments as well as under the industrial laws,
are considered for permanent absorption
subject to their being eligible in terms of
qualifications etc. as well as under the ap-
propriate provisions of the Bipartite Settle-
ments/industrial laws. Banks, generally, keep
a panel of such employees for their absorp-
tion against future vacancies. Some banks
have agreements with their unions in this

regard. Since recruitment for the subordi-
nate cadres of the public sector banks is
done by the zonal/Regional/Divisional of-
fices at the field levels, the data collection
system available with them does not readily
generate the requisite information with re-
spect to the number of such employees.

Loans Advanced to Tamil Nadu Under

IRDP

10612. SHRIR. JEEVARATHINAM:W8I
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether Government propose to
continue the Integrated Rural Development
Programme (IRDP);

(b) the total amount of loans distributed
to the people in Tamil Nadu under the IRDP
during the last three years;

(c) whether Government propose to
involved the local Members of Parliament in
the distribution of IRDP loans so that they
may help in the distribution of such loans to
genuine needy persons; and

(d) if so, the details thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Yes, Sir. integrated Rural Develop-
ment Programme (IRDP) has been extended
for the year 1990-91.

(b) The amount of loans disbursed by
banks under IRDP in Tamil Nadu during the
last three years is as under:

Year

Amount (Rs. in lakhs)

1987-88

8374.05

1988-89

8487.48

1989-90

7357.18

(Till Feb.,

1990)

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(c) and (d). The programme is imple-
mented through District Rural Development
Agencies (DRDA) at district level. DRDA has
a Governing Body with Collector as its
Chairman. All Members of Parliament and
Members of Legislative Assembly of the
district alongwith others are its members.
The Governing Body of DRDA meets once a
quarter.

Loss at D.S.P.

10613. SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM:
Will the Minister of STEEL AND MINES be
pleased to state:

(a) whether heavy loss was incurred at
Durgapur Steel Plant in the financial year
1989-90;

(b) if so, the main reasons thereof and
the amount of loss incurred; and

(c) the measures Government propose
to take to arrest continuance of such a loss
being incurred by the company in future?

THE MINISTER OFSTEEL ANDMINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) and
(b). The plant has been incurring losses
mainly due to obsolete technology, aged
plant and equipment, and inadequate supply
of raw materials both in quantitative and
qualitative terms leading to high energy
consumption, low productivity and capacity
utilisation.

Though the exact amount of loss at DSP
would be known only after the f inalisation of
audited accounts, the plant is likely to incur
losses during 1 989-90.

(c) Modernisation of DSP to replace
aged plant and upgrade the plant techno-
logically and to produce steel in a more cost
effective manner has been taken up. The
modernisation is expected to result in reduc-

tion of specific energy consumption, improve
capacity and its utilisation, productivity and
yields.

Development of Shlrdl In Maharashtra
as a Tourist Centre

10614. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE
PATIL: Will the Minister of TOURISM be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have received
any proposal from the Government of Ma-
harashtra for the development of Shirdi as a
tourist centre in the State;

(b) if so, the details thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) No, Sir.

(b)and(c). Do not arise.

Coverage of Districts in Maharashtra by

Doordarshan

10615. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE
PATIL: Will the Minister of INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether all districts in Maharashtra
are covered by the Doordarshan transmis-
sion;

(b) if not, the districts yet to be covered;

(d) the time by which these are likely to
be covered?

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THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA):(a)and (b). All the 26 districts of
Maharashtra (1 981 Census) are covered by
TV service, wholly or partially. TV coverage
is expected to substantially improve in some
of these districts on commissioning of the
high power (10 KW) transmitters under
implementation at Aurangabad and Am-
bajogai during the current financial year.

(c) and (d). All TV transmitter in Mahar-
ashtra are linked to Doordarshan Kendra,
Bombay via Satellite for relay of Primary
(Regional) service.

Broadcast/Telecast of Programmes of

Drug Abuse

10616. SHRI SRIKANTA DATTA
NARASIMHARAJA WADIYAR: Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether All India Radio and Door-
darshan are broadcasting and telecasting
any programme totackle the menace of drug
abuse;

(b) if so, when such programme was
launched by AIR and Doordarshan;

(c) whether the views of Indian Council
of Medical Research (ICMR) and other vol-
untary organisations have been taken while
producing these programmes;

(d) whether such programmes are being
covered in the Regional stations of AIR and
Doordarshan in different States; and

(e) if so, the details thereof?

THE MINISTER OF INFORM
AND BROADCASTING AND MINIS'
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SI
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). Program)
Drug Abuse are regularly telecast b
darshan in various formats.

Similarly All India Radio stations
cast about 400 programmes every m
the subject of Drug Abuse. In addr
India Radio has launched a special
serial entitled Radio DATE which i
broadcast currently from the 8th Apr

(c) Views of Indian Council of I
Research and other voluntary organ
have been reflected/taken into accou
producing these programmes. *Radi
is a joint venture with the Indian Cc
Medical Research.

(d) and (e). Regional Doorc
Kendras namely, Delhi, Bombay, C
Srinagar, Madras, Jalandhar, Lt
Hyderabad, Bangalore the Trivandn
cast programmes on Drug Abuse ac
to their programme requirements.

All Programme Originating Sta
All India Radio are broadcasting progi
on Drug Abuse and the 'Radio DATI
is being broadcast in 15 languages.

Scheme For Development of Kl
Pauri Garhwal (U.P.) As Tourist I

10617. SHRI SARJU PRASJ
ROJ: Will the Minister of TOURIS
pleased to state:

(a) whether the Government <
Pradesh has sent any scheme for d
ing Khirsu in Pauri Garhwal as a toui
to Union Government for its approv

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(b) if so, the details thereof and the time
by which it is likely to be approved; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MWISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS

AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Does not arise.

Credit Facilities to Fishermen

10618. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have any
schemes or proposal to provide credit facili-
ties and other incentives to small fishermen;
and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has
reported that advances provided by com-
mercial banks for fisheries are covered under
Priority Sector as activity allied to agriculture
and hence eligible for various concessionali-
ties such as concessional rate of interest and
liberalised margin and security norms.

(b) RBI has advised the banks that for
fisheries, need-based short terms loans
should be granted. The rate of interest for it
is as under:

a) For loan amount upto Rs. 7500/-

(b) Loans over Rs. 7500/- and upto
Rs. 15,000/-

(% per annum)
10.00

11.50

12.00

(d) Loans over Rs. 25,000/-

14.00 to 15.50

Term loans for a period of not less than 3 years to fisheries are available at the following

rates:

a) To small farmers

b) To others

(% per annum)
10.00
12.50

Margin should not be taken for loan

a mount upto Rs. 1 0,000/- For loans over this

a rnount, the margin would very from 1 5% to

^5%. Banks should not take collateral secu-

^ty by way of mortgage of land or third party

guarantee for loans upto Rs. 10,000/ where
moveably assets are created.

Term loans are granted by banks for
development of fisheries in all the aspects

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from fish catching to stage of export, financ-
ing of equipment necessary for deep sea
fishing, rehabilitation of tanks(fresh water
fishing) fish breeding, etc.

Decrease In Exports From Kerala

10619. SHRI T. BASHEER: Will the
Minister of COMMERCE be pleased to
state:

(a) whether there was a substantial
decrease in the exports of various item from
Kerala during 1989-90;

(b) if so, the details in this regard; and

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) There is sub-
stantial increase in overall export of major
commodities, from Cochin Port and Trivan-
drum Airport. However, there was shortfall in
export of Cardamom, pepper and Tea

(b) The details of shortfall are indicated
below:

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Pepper: Poor crop, late arri-
val of the crop and
over supply situation
in international mar-
ket.

(a) whether the National Mineral Devel-
opment Corporation (NMDC) has undertaken
exploration work for finding minerals depos-
its in the last year; and

(b) if so, the State-wise details thereof?

Cardamom: Poor crop and high

domestic prices.

Tea: Low production.

NMDC's Explorations

10620. SHRI N. DENNIS: Will the
Minister of STEEL AND MINES be pleased
to state:

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUS-
TICE (SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): (a) Yes,

Sir.

(b) State-wise details of exploratory
work done by NMDC in 1 989 are as follows:

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Setting Up of a T.V. Relay Station at

Pall

10621. SHRI GUMAN MAL LODHA:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to set
up a T.V. relay station at Pali in Rajasthan;
and

(b) if so, the time by which it is likely to
be set up?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). A low power (100
W) TV transmitter has already been func-
tioning at Pali in Rajasthan since March,
1988.

Opening of P.I.B. Office At Bhubanesh-

war

10622. SHRI ANANDI CHARAN DAS:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether State Government of Orissa
has requested Union Government to open
an office of the P.I.B. at Bubaneshwar
alongwith an information centre and Library
in view of importance of both Cuttack and
Bhubaneshwar as new centres; and

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(b) if so, the details thereof and Govern-
ment's response thereto?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. While
stressing the need for this, the State Govern-
ment also offered to extend all possible help
for their immediate opening. Keeping in view
the importance of the city as a news centre,
a proposal has been included in the Vlllth

Plan. Its implementation depends on the
availability of resources. m*

Supply of Smaller Denomination Notes

by Banks

10623. SHRI Y.S. RAJA SEKHAR
REDDY: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether there is any dearth of notes
of smaller denominations like Rs. 2, Rs. 5,
Rs. 1 etc. particularly in nationalised banks;

(b) whether some nationalised banks in
New Delhi do not give currency notes below
Rs. 100 and customers particularly middle
class one are put to a lot of inconvenience;
and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Reserve Bank of India (RBI) have
reported that there is no earth of notes of
smaller denominations like Rs. 2, Rs. 5 and
Rs. 10 in the nationalised banks.

(b) RBI have stated that they have no
information that some nationalised banks in
New Delhi do not give currency notes below
Rs. 100/-.

World Bank Lending Policy

10624. SHRI Y.S. RAJA SEKHAR
REDDY: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whetherthere is a shift in the lending
policy of World Bank;

(b) if so, what are the changes; and

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Written Answers 414

:) how far these changes are likely to the conversion of ill-gotten money into gold
our country's economy? and clamping down on gold smuggling;

4E DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
TRYOF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
a) No, Sir.

) and (c). Does not arise.

Jla's Participation at Universal
Exposition at Seville (Spain)

>625. SHRI Y.S. RAJA SEKHAR
Y: Will the Minister of COMMERCE
ased to state:

) whether India's participation in the
sai Exposition of Seville in Spain
uled for April, 1992 has been can-
and

) if so, the reasons therefor?

rIE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
TRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
. SREEDHARAN): (a) and (b). Yes,
ue to budgetary constraints, it has
leaded to withdraw our participation in
liversal Exposition at Seville in Spain
uled for April, 1992.

Gold Policy

)626. SHRI KASHIRAM RANA:

SHRI SANTOSH KUMAR

GANGWAR:
SHRI SHANTARAM PO-

TIDUKHE:
SHRI DILIP SINGH JU DEO:
SHRI JANARDAN TIWARI:
SHRI Y.S. MAHAJAN:

(b) whether any 'Gold Bonds' still re-
main to be redeemed;

(d) whether Government propose to
formulate a new gold policy; and

(e) if so, the details thereof ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ANIL SHAS-
TRI): (a) Government considers that the
abolition of Gold(Control) Act will bring in
competition, openness in trade and freedom
to transact in gold, which in turn will dehoard
gold.

Government take all necessary legisla-
tive and administrative steps to curb the
generation, growth and use of block money
which in turn check the investment of
blackmoney in gold.

For clamping down on gold smuggling,
the following measures are taken: Antis-
muggling drive has been intensified and the
antismuggling machinery particularly in the
vulnerabls areas of sea coast, land borders
and the international seaports and airports
remain alert to check and contain smuggling
of contraband. Sophisticated anti-smuggling
equipment such as X-ray baggage ma-
chines and metal detectors are utilised for
prevention and detection of gold concealed
on person of passengers and their baggage/
in-cargo. Close co-ordination is maintained
with all the agencies concerned in the pre-
vention and detection of smuggling.

nil the Minister of FINANCE be pleased

i) the measures taken or proposed to
en for the dehoarding of the gold and

(b) Yes, Sir.

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| Recommendations of Finance Commis-
sion Regarding Gujarat's Share

10627. SHRI PRAKASH KOKO
BRAHMBHATT: Will the Minister of FI-
NANCE be pleased to state:

JYAISTHA 4, 1912 (SAKA)

Written Answers 418

(a) whether the State Government of
Gujarat has pointed out that its share had
continuously declined from 4.6 percent dur-
ing the Seventh Finance Commission award
to 3.7 per cent in the Eighth Finance Com-
mission Award and finally reduced to 3.5 per
cent in the Ninth Finance Commission's
recommendations;

(b) if so, whether the State Government
has pointed out that the award is unfavour-
able to the State and also great injustice has
been done to the Government of Gujarat's
share; and

[Translation]

Advertisement to Delry Newspapers

10628. PROF. RASA SINGH RAWAT:
Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to
revise the policy of giving advertisements to
the daily newspapers;

(b) if so, the details thereof; and

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) and (b). Yes. Sir, The
recommendations of the Committee consti-
tuted to go into the various aspects of the
advertising policy of Government, are under
consideration.

(c) All the newspapers which apply and
fulfil and criteria laid down in the Advertising
Policy (as per statement given below) are
considered for inclusion in the DAVP media
list.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI AN IL SHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). The State Government of
Gujarat have intimated that they had pointed
out to the Ninth Finance Commission that
their share in the total transfer of resources
has been declining.

STATEMENT

MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND
BROADCASTING

(Advertising Policy of the Government of

India)

'A' Preamble

(c) The Ninth Finance Commission
while recommending the devolution of re-
sou rcesto the State Government would have
taken into account all the factors including
the representation of the Government of
Gujarat while making its recommendations.

The Directorate of Advertising
and Visual Publicity places
advertisements in various
newspapers/journals on behalf
on various Ministries and

41 9 Written Answers

MAY 25, 1990

Written Am

Departments of the Govern-
ment of India. A number of
autonomous bodies and pub-
tic sector enterprises channel-
ise their advertising through
D.A.V.P.

The primary objective of Gov-
ernment advertising is to se-
cure widest possible coverage
through newspapers which
circulate news or comments
on current affairs and stan-
dard journals on science, art,
literature, sports, films, cultural
affairs etc. While giving adver-
tisements, political affiliations
or editorial policies of the
publication concerned are not
taken into account. However,
advertisements would not be
issued to newspapers, jour-
nals which incite or tend to
incite communal passions,
preach violence, offend the
sovereignity and integrity of
India or socially accepted
norms or public decency and
morals.

(a)

•B' POLICY GUIDELINES:

Keeping in view Government
Policy, Publicity requirements
and availability of funds, a
balanced and equitable plac-
ing of advertisements is aimed
at Government advertise-
ments are not intend to be a
measure of financial assis-
tance to newspapers/journals.
In pursuance of broad social
objectives of the Government
and in order to achieve parity
of rate between various cate-
gories of newspapers appro-
priate weightageconsideration
may be given to:

(b)

(c)

(d)

(a)

(b)

(c)

Small and Medit
pers/ journals

Specialised scienl
nical journals

Language news
nals and

Newspapers/jou
iished especially i
remote and bord<

Small, Medium ai
papers/journals
rised as under:

Small : Upt
tion of 15,000 a
sue.

Medium : Circ
tween 15,000 i
copies per issue.

Big : Cii

above 50,000 cc
sue.

In selecting news
lications for placi
ment advertisem
lowing considers
taken into accour

Coverage of reac
different walks of
larly in case of a
paigns.

Reaching specific
people dependin
message to be
Small and Medii
pers will get majc
tion in motrvatic
campaigns.

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Written Answers 422

(a)

(b)

Another category of Newspa-
pars/journals/publications
which Government may con-
sider from time to time appro-
priate for bonaf ide reasons.

House journals, House maga-
zines and souvenirs will not
ordinarily be used for Govern-
ment advertisements.

The DAVP will use newspa-
per/journals with a minimum
paid circulation of not less than
1,000 copies. Relation how-
ever, may be made in the case
of the following:

Specialised/scientifictechnical
journals with a paid circulation
of 500 copies per issue.

Sanskrit newspapers/journals
and newspapers/journals
published in backward, bor-

ders or remote areas or in tribal
language or primarily meant
for tribal readers and these
published from J &K with a
minimum paid circulation of
500 copies per issue.

Newspapers/journals should
have an uninterrupted and
regular publication for a period
of not less than four months
and should comply with the
provisions of Press and Reg-
istration of Books Act, 1867
before they qualify for consid-
eration for placing Government
advertisements. For quarterly
journals, they have to bring out
at least two issues before they
are considered:

Newspapers/journals should
have the following minimum
print area to be acceptable for
Government advertisements:

mxOdty

Print Area Not Less Than

bilies

760 std. col. cms.

/eeklies and Fortnightlies
bnthlies and other periodicals

480 std. col. cms

960 std. col. cms.

Exceptions might be made in
the case of newspapers/jour-
nals published in tribal lan-
guage or primarily for tribal
readership.

Circulation of all newspapers/
journals should be certified by
a Chartered Accountant or by
a professional and reputed

accounts body or institutions.
Newspapers having a circula-
tion upto 2,000 copies per issue
are, however, exempted from
tis requirement. The circula-
tion figures, if found in incor-
rect at anytime, will render the
papers/journals ineligible for
advertisement besides any
other action which Govern-

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Written Answers 424

ment may deem appropriate.

<C Advertisement Rates

The rate structure for Govern-
ment advertisements will be
worked out by DAVP on the
basis of the principles enunci-
ated above. The DAVP will
enter into appropriate rate
contracts with individual news-
papers/journals.

[English }

Inquiry Into-international Film Festival
for Documentaries and Short Films,

Bombay

10629. SHRI N.J. RATHVA: Will the
Minister of INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether there have been com-
plaints of wastage of money and misman-
agement during the week long Bombay
International Film Festival for Documenta-
ries and Short Films organised by the Films
Division during February, 1 990;

(b) if so, the details thereof ;

(d) if so, the outcome thereof?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) Two newspaper articles
appeared in Statesman and Hindustan Times
criticising the conduct of the Film Festival
held at Bombay. These articles referred to
alledged mismanagement and wastage of
money during the conduct of the festival.
Other than these two articles there has been

no note-worthy criticism regarding the wsek-
tong festival held at Bombay.

It may also be mentioned that the Film
Festival was generally acclaimed as a no-
table success. Numerous articles appeared
in Indian as well as foreign newspapers
commending this festival. It includes the
prestigious Holywood Reporter weekly,
magazine which comments of matters relat-
ing to f Hms around the world.

In addition, over 50, prominent film
personalities had, in a letter, appreciated
and congratulated the Films Division for this
Festival.

(b) The criticisms dealt with hospitality
given to delegates, selection of awards, lack
of publicity, poor quality of entries etc.

(c) No formal inquiry was called for. The
complaints were, however, looked into. There
was no excess expenditure incurred by Films
Division. As against the sanctioned budget
of Rs. 60 lakhs, the overall expenditure is not
expected to go beyond Rs. 54 lakhs. It was
concluded that the festival was a reasonable
success and that most of the criticism was
exaggerated.

(d) Does not aris9.

Revision of Him Policy

10630. SHRI PRAKASH V. PATIL: Will
the Ministerof INFORMATION AND BROAD-
CASTING be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are reviewing
the film policy;

(b) if so, the main features of the pro-
posed new film policy;

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(d) if so. the details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): (a) to (d). The question of
formulation of a film policy is under consid-
eration. It is premature at present to indicate
dotafe of the proposed film policy and as to
whether the National Flm Development
Corporation b to be strengthened and the
extent thereof .

Discussion on Indo-Us E conomic Trade

Relations

10631. SHRIMADANLALKHURANA:
WWthe Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether the attention of Govern-
ment has been drawn to the news-item "US
Businessmen not impressed with India's
Promises" appearing in the 'Indian Express'
of 9 April, 1990;

(b) if so, the details of the talks held and
the reaction of the US Businessmen thereto;

(d) if so, the steps taken or proposed to
be taken in this regard?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) A meeting of Indo-US Joint Busi-
ness Council was held on 5th and 6th April,
1990 in Washington. This was participated
in by leaders of business and industry on
both sides. They discussed matters of inter-
est and made joint recommendations, on: (i)
Technology transfer, (ii) Indian investment
and joint ventures laws (iii) Bilateral trade.

The JBC was addressed by
date of Government of India who explained
various aspects of India's economic poli-

te) In his speech Mr. Donald M. Kendall,
Co-Chairman of the JBC referred to the
bureaucracy in general terms and empha-
sised the need to de-regulate and Iberallse
economies. No specific complaints were
raised during the JBC meeting. There were
references generally to delays inherent in
government procedures.

(d) Causes of procedural delay are
being continuously monitored and remedial
measures taken.

Procurement of Cotton

@@10632. SHRI Y.S. RAJASEKHAR
REDDY: Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:

(a) whether Reserve Bank of India has
agreed to release more funds for procure-
ment of cotton; and

(b) if so, the details thereof?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRYOFFINANCE(SHRIANILSHAS-
TRI): (a) and (b). Reserve Bank of India has
reported that credit requirements for pro-
curement of cotton are fully met subject to
the basic condition that credit drawn is
matched by the value of stocks.

Liberalisation of Farms Trade by OECD

10633. SHRI KAILASH MEGHWAL:
Will the Minister of COMMERCE be pleased
to state:

(a) whether the liberalisation of Farm
Trade by OECD (Organisation for Economic
Cooperation and Development) countries

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Reference 428

have an adverse effect on India's plans for
agricultural advance, particularly in the Food
Processing sector;

(b) whether such liberalisation will choke
off our export avenues which is the major
plank of our food processing plans;

(d) if so, the details thereof ?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGIL SREEDHARAN): (a) No, Sir. Liber-
alisation of Farms Trade by the OECD coun-
tries is expected to have a beneficial effect
on export of agricultural products including
processed agricultural products to these
countries.

(b) No, Sir.

(d) Does not arise.

12.00 hrs.

OBITUARY REFERENCE

[English ]

MR. SPEAKER: Hon'ble Members, it is
with deep sense of sorrow that I have to
inform the House of the sad demise of Shri
K.S. Hegde, former Speaker of this august
House from July 1977 to January 1980. Shri
Hegde represented the Bangalore South
constituency of the State of Karnataka. He
was elected as Speaker, Lok Sabha, on 21 st
July, 1977. Earlier, he had been a member
of Rajya Sabha from 1952 to 1957.

Adistinguished jurist and erudite scholar,
Shri Hegde was a judge of the High Court of
Mysore from 1 957 to 1 966. He was the Chief
Justice of Delhi and Himachal Pradesh High
Court during 1966-67. He served as a judge
of the Supreme Court of India during 1967-
73.

Apart from adorning the high office of
Speaker, he served on various Committees
of both the Houses. He was also a member
of Panel of Chairman in Rajya Sabha and
was the Chairman of the Com mrttee of Privi-
leges of this House.

He was alternate delegate to the Ninth
Session of the United Nations in 1954 and
served on its Second Committee.

As a Speaker of this House, his obser-
vations and decisions have been of immense
help to successive Speakers.

Shri Hegde passed away on 24 May
1 990 at this native place in Karnataka at the
age of 81 .

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI VISH-
WANATH PRATAP SINGH): We share your
sentiments regarding Shri K.S. Hegde.

He was a persons of great learning and
great insight in the judicial system. He had
acted as Chief Justice of Delhi High Court
ar.J Himachal High Court. And by his writing
and publications he has contributed to the
understanding of the problems of the judicial
system. As Speaker he has set traditions
that will be the guiding path for times to
come. And in him we have lost a persons of
great learning, understanding and patriot-
ism.

At this moment, we share the grief of his
family and pray to God that they have the
strength to face this tragedy.

PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): I asso-

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Reference 430

dale myself and our Party with what you
yoursetf have said and what the Prime Min-
ister has observed.

I had the good fortune of being his
colleague in the Rajya Sabha and observed
him to be a very good champion of agricultur-
ists. Whenever questions were taken up in
the House, I always found him as a very good
supporter of mine. And he was a very good
champion of the kisan movement Like all
patriots of his generation, he was a Con-
grass men to start with and he proved to be
a very effective Congress leader also of
Kamataka. I am extremely sorry Sir that he
has passed away. Myself and our Party join
you in offering our condolences to his family.

[Translation]

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: Mr. Speaker, Sir.
Today in the early morning hours when Shri
K.S.Hegde*s Son informed me over tele-
phone that Shri Hegde had passod away last
night while he was asleep. I felt a sense of
deep sorrow and grief owing to many rea-
sons. There are very few people who are so
humble and whole-hearted in their social
lives and at the same time they are totally
committed to the principles that they have
adopted in their lives and Shri K.S. Hegde
Was an ideal example of those principles. He
Was among those very few people who en-
tered judiciary after having played an active
vole in politics, but he remained totally impar-
tial while fueling his responsibilities as a
Justice. He was among those who become
a judge of the Supreme Court after having
served in the Delhi High Court, and Hima-
chal High Court. I came in his contact, for the
first time when he submitted his resignation
on the supersession issue. Since then I
remained in contact with him and he was a

senior leader and colleague of my party for
the last ten years. In the event of any prob-
lem his counsel was very valuable Jo us.

Shri Ranga has just now mentioned that

of agriculturist. In 1981
or in 1 982 when a powerful agitation against
reservation took place in Gujarat, some
workers of my party, also got influenced by it
but later on when we had a serious discus-
sion on this issue in Cochin it was Shri
Hegde who impressed the prominent
members of our party, the most. For years
together Shri K. Sadanand Hedge has influ-
enced us and said that we should take this
matter in a light vein and if we start the
process of reconsidering the little benefit
that the Harijans and the inhabitants of the
forests are going to get through reservation,
it will be totally injurious and damaging to our
society. I have mentioned this issue to proj-
ect that in him I have found a wonderful blend >
of judicious, practical pragmatic and idealis-
tic approach in all the matters. I fully associ-
ate myself with thef eelings expressed by the
Prime Minister, your goodsetf and Shri
Rangaji of the opposition in paying my tribute
to the departed soul.

[English ]

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE
(Bolpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of my
party and myself, I fully associate with all that
has been said about Shri K.S. Hegde and we
express our deepest condolence on his
passing away.

Personally, I have had the great privi-
lege of knowing Shri Hegde, both as aJudge
of the Supreme Court and then as an hon.
Member of this House, and ultimately as a
distinguished Speaker of this august House.
What impressed everybody who came in
contact with Shri Hegde was his deep and
abiding faith in our Constitutional set up and
in the Fundamental Rights and the Directive
Principles enshrined in our Constitution. As
a Judge of the Supreme Court, he delivered
many outstanding judgements and is his
judgement in KRAIPAK's case, he put the
principles of natural justice on a very high
pedestal and which has been considered as

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Reference 432

[Sh. Somnath Chatterjee]

one of the beacon lights in the branch of
jurisprudence. As a Speaker, we have also
had the privilege of knowing him as one of
the most distinguished and fair Speakers
who conducted the deliberations of this
House with great appropriateness. No sec-
tion of the House hadthen ever felt that there
was any Member who was not allowed to
have views expressed in the House. He
treated everyone alike. I was then the Chair-
man of one of the Parliamentary Commit-
tees and on occasions I had opportunity to
discuss matters with him and I found him
helpful and constructive in his suggestions.
I cannot forget those days. On behalf of my
Party and myself, I again express our condo-
lence and our sympathies to the members of
his family.

SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE
(Panskura): Sir, I associate myself and all
the members of our Party with the observa-
tions already made by my previous speakers
on the sad demise of Shri K.S. Hegde.

Sir, I did not have have the privilege
personally to work with him, but I have heard
from others about his ability as a Speaker
coming from his juridical background into
this world, which is very important in my
opinion.

Another thing is, I heard that he was a
person of great integrity. I believe also that in
today's set up that is one of the things which
we must remembers and emulate.

With these words I express my deep
condolence and also convey that to his family.

DR. THAMBI DURAI (Karur): Mr.
Speaker, Sir, it is a very great shock to know
from you that our former Speaker, Shri K.S.
Hegde is no more. Just now our Prime Min-
ister, Prof. Ranga, Mr. Advani and my other
colleagues said about him, how he rendered

his service not only in the judicial field, but
also in political life. He upheld justice in
juridical system, and in the same way he
upheld justice in political life also. He headed
this House in a crucial period in 1977 and
also as an eminent Speaker, he handled the
House very carefully and also he served in a
good manner; as our Rangaji said, he raised
a tot of questions in the Rajya Sabha and
also in the Lok Sabha. He was a champion of
agriculturists. Also, as a judicial man he
rendered good justice. He is not more with
usl

On behalf of my party AlADMK and
myself, I offer our condolences through you
to the bereaved family.

SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA (Bar-
hampore): Sir, on behalf of myself and my
Group, I offer our condolences on the de-
mise of Mr. Hegde. I share the views ex-
pressed here by my other colleagues and
also I offer my deep condolences to the
family of Shri Hegde.

SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT
(Manjeri): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I associate mysel
with the sentiments expressed by you, the
Prime Minister and other colleagues regard-
ing the passing away of Shri Hegde, who
was the former Speaker of Lok Sabha lain
deeply grieved at his demise. I must say that
he was a person of high qualities of head and
heart, of integrity and character. He had
distinguished himself in the judicial field and
he was not only a Judge of the High Courts
of Karnataka and Delhi, but also became a
Judge of the Supreme Courts later. He was
the Speaker of this Lok Sabha in 1 977 and I
had the good fortune to be here in Lok Sabha
at that time. He conducted the proceedings
of the Lok Sabha in an admirable manner
and maintained the dignity of this House.

We are very very sorry and I express my
deep sorrow and condolence. On my behalf
and on behalf of my party, the Muslim Leagu*

433 Obkuary

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Reference 434

I convey my condolence to the entire be-
reaved family and pray that his soul may rest

PROF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ (Baramulla):
Mr. Speaker, on my behalf and on behalf of
my Party, I fully associate myself with the
feeings expressed by the hon. Prime Minis-
ter, you goodself. Prof. Rangaji and others.

Although I had the privilege of hearing
late Shri Hegde as a leader of opinion, I had
not had the privilege of knowing him as the
Speaker of this House.

Sir, we keep discussing about the per-
sonalities who have held this high office in
the Central Hall. What I heard about late Shri
Hegde was that he was a very bold persons,
when he functioned as a Judge and when he
functioned as the Speaker, of this august
House. I have heard that sometimes, the
jurists and legal luminaries who were drawn
to high offices work in very tight jackets. The
other unique quality in Mr Hegde that I have
heard was that he was not very rigid on
issues. He had a very great sense of accom-
modation and understanding and he brought
credit to this high office. I pay my deepest
condolences to the bereaved family.

[Translation ]

KUMARI MAYAWATI (Bijnor): Mr.
Speaker, Sir, the hon. Prime Minister and
some senior hon. Members have apprised
the House of Shri Hegde's ability and gentle-
less, though not in great detail. I ha/e nei-
ther heard him nor I ever had the opportunity
U> see htm, but whatever little I know about
him is based on the information provided by
■newspapers and periodicals.

On behalf of my party and myself I
deeply mourn his demise.

IE ngUsh ]

SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): Mr.
Speaker, I join yfou, the Leader of the House

and other distinguished Members of this
august House to pay my tribute to the memory
of Shri K.S. Hegde, the former Speaker of
this House. As you have mentioned, he was
one of the luminaries of Indian judiciary. He
functioned as Judge in different High Courts
in our country and ultimately he was ele-
vated to the position of the Judge of the
Supreme Courts of India. He delved deep
into the judicial system and he also wrote a
book entitled The Crisis of Judiciary'. He
was an able parliamentarian. As you have
been kind enough to mention, he was a
Member of the Rajya Sabha and a Member
of this House and served many Parliamen-
tary Committees, with his rare qualities.

Sir, I had the rare privilege to serve this
House in 1977 under his able Speakership.
I recollect some significant comments which
fell from his lips, which was a great wisdom
to the entire House. He also delivered very
important rulings which constituted a land-
mark in the history of the parliamentary
practices in our country. I deeply mourn his
demise and express my heartfelt condo-
lences to the bereaved family.

MR. SPEAKER: We deeply mourn the
toss of this friend and I am sure that the
House will join me in conveying our heart-felt
condolences to the bereaved family.

The House may now stand in silence for
a short while as a mark of respect to the
departed soul.

(The Members then stood in silence for a

short while)

MR. SPEAKER: The House now stands
adjourned to meet at 1 1 O* clock on Monday,
the 28th May, 1990.

12.20 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven

of the Clock on Monday, May 28, 1990/

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CONTENTS

[Ninth Series. Vol. VI, Second Session. 1990/1912 (Saka)]

No. 50, Monday, May 28, 1990/Jyaistha 7, 1912 (Saka)

Columns

>ers Laid on the Table

2—14

ssage from Rajya Sabha

nmittee of Parliament on the Pending Matter of the Scale of Pay
Connected Matters in Respect of the Secretaries-General of
ises of Parliament

Report — / aid

nmittee on Private Members' Bills and Resolutions

16—40

Minutes of first to Sixth Sittings — Laid

mmittee on Absence of Members from the Sittings of the House

41—44

First Report — Presented

e Manufactures Development Council (Amendment) Bill — Introduced

nstitution (Sixty-Ninth Amendment) Bill— Introduced

45-46

itters Under Rule 377

46—50

(i) Need for a Bench of the Kerala High Court and an
administrative tribunal at Trivandrum (Kerala)

Shri A. Charles

(ii) Need to construct a multi-purpose dam on river
Kosi in Bihar

46—47

Shri Ramendra Kumar Ravi Yadav

(«)

Columns

(iii) Need to set up industries based on tele-communication
network in Bihar

Shri Manjay Lai

(iv) Need to electrify railway line between Ranaghat Bongaon
Section

Dr. Asim Bala

(v) Need to provide financial assistance to Bihar Government
for boring tubewells in Jahanabad and Gaya districts to
cope with drinking water problem there

48-49

Shri Ramashray Prasad Singh

(vi) Need for clearance of the gas-based projects to meet the
escalating power demands of Madhya Pradesh

49-50

Shri Madhavrao Scindia

(vii) Need to set up a Colour Photo Film Project at Majkhali
in Almora (U.P.)

Shri Harish Rawat

Constitution (Scheduled Castes) Orders (Amendment) Bill
As Passed by Rajya Sabha

50—110

Motion to consider

Shri Ram Vilas Paswan

51-52

Shri K.S. Rao

53-56

Prof. Ram Ganesh Kapse

Shri Chand Ram

Shri Eduardo Faleiro

5*-59
60-^3

63-68
69-72

anr
ar-

Columns

Shri Kalka Das

68—69

Kumari Mayawati

72—74

Shri G.M. Banatwalla

74—84

Shri Jagpal Singh

86—90

Shri Prem Pradeep

91—93

Shri M. Selvarasu

93—95

Shri Hukumdeo Narayan Yadav

95—101

Shri Gopi Nath Gajapathi

101—102

Shri S. Banjamin

102—106

onstitution (Sixty-Eighth Amendment) Bill

110—143

Motion to consider

Shri Ram Vilas Paswa

110—122

Prof. N.G. Ranga

122—126

Shri Santosh Bhartiya

1 26—1 30

Shri Resham Lai Jangde

130—135

Shri Matilal Hansda

135—140

Shri Ram Sajiwan

141—143

)iscussion Under Rule 193

Situation arising out of the Cyclonic Storms in the Bay of Bengal
and the relief measures undertaken by the Central Government
and Gvernments of Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Union
Territory of Pondicherry

1 43—200

Shri K.S. Rao

143—149

(iv)

Columns

Shri Bh. Vijayrkumar Raju

149—153

Shri Kusuma Krishna Murthy

153—158

Shri Janardan Yadav

158

Shri lokanath Choudhury

159—161

Prof. N.G. Ranga

161—163

Shri A.N. Singh Deo

164—165

Shri Gopi Nath Gajapathi

1 65—1 68

Shri A. Vijayaraghavan

168—171

Shri J. Chokka Rao

171—173

Shri A. Venkata Reddy

1 74—1 76

Shri Balgopai Mishra

1 76—1 77

Shri Basavapunnaiah Singam

177—180

Shri P. Narsa Reddy

1 80—1 84

Dr. Viswanatham

1 84—1 85

Shri S. Benamin

185

Shri Dasai Chowdhary

1 85—1 87

Shri Sye d Masudal Hossain

187

Shri Nitish Kumar

1 87—200

LOK SABHA DEBATES

LOK SABHA

11.04 hrs.

Monday, May 28 ,1990/Jyaistha 7, 1912

(Saka)

The Lok Sabha met at
Eleven of the Clock

[MR. SPEAKER in the Chair]

[English]

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Sathe.

[Translation]

SHRI VASANT SATHE (Wardha): Mr.
Speaker

MR. SPEAKER: He is in mood today.

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): We have to go to
the other House. There are Bills pending in
the other House. Let the papers be allowed
to be laid.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe, I will call you
after Papers are laid. Now papers to be laid.

Prof. Madhu Dandavate.

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE
[English]

Industrial Finance Corporation of India
(Payment of Gratuity to employees)
Regulation 1968; Annual report etc. of
and Review on Industrial Development
Bank of India for 1988-89

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): I beg to lay on the
Tablt

(1) A copy of the Industrial Finance
Corporation of India (Payment of
Gratuity to employees) Regulations,
1968 (Hindi and English versions)
published in Notification No. S.O.
1/88-122 in Gazette of India dated
the StTi March, 1988 under sub-
section (3) of section 43 of the
Industrial Finance Corporation Act,
1948. [Placed in Library. See No.
LT.-1 003/90]

(2) (i)

A copy of the Annual Report
(Hindi and English versions)
of the Industrial Development
Bank of India together with
Audited Accounts of the Gen-
eral Fund and the Develop-
ment Assistance Fund for the
year 1988-89 under sub-sec-
tion (5) of section 1 8 and sub-
section (5) of section 23 of the
Industrial Development Bank
of India Act, 1 964.

(ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi
and English versions) by the

Papers Laid

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Papers Laid 4

Government on the working of
the Industrial Development
Bank of India for the year 1988-
89. [Placed in Library. See No.
LT.- 1004/90]

[Translation]

Annual Report and Review on All India
Handloom Fabrics Marketing Corpora-
tion Society Ltd. Delhi for 1988-89 and of
National Institute of Fashion Technol-
ogy, New Delhi and Statement re-delay In
Laying these Papers

THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND
MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN-
DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): I beg
to lay on the Table;

0) (i)

(ii)

A copy of the Annual Report
(Hindi and English versions)
of the All India Handloom
Fabrics Marketing Cooperative
Society Limited, Delhi, for the
year 1988-89 along with Au-
dited Accounts.

A copy of the Review (Hindi
and English versions) by the
Government on the working of
the All India Handbom Fab-
rics Marketing Cooperative
Society Limited, Delhi, for the
year 1988-89. [Placed in
Library. See No. LT.-1 005/90]

A copy of the Annual Report
(Hindi and English versions)
of the National Institute of
Fashion Technology, New
Delhi, for the year 1988-89
along with Audited Accounts.

A copy of the Review (Hindi
and English versions) by the
Government on the working of
the National Institute of Fash-
ion Technology, New Delhi,
for the year 1 988-89.

(3) A statement (Hindi and English

(2) (i)

(ii)

versions) showing reasons for de-
lay in laying the papers mentioned
at (2) above. [Placed in Library.
See No. LT-1 006/90)

[English]

Annual report of and review on Govlnd

Ballabh Pant Paryavaran Evam Vlkas

Sansthan, for 1 988-89 and statement re.

delay in laying these Papers

THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT
AND FOREST (SHRI NILAMANI
ROUTRAY): I beg to lay on the Table:

(1> (i)

(ii)

A copy of the Annual Report
(Hindi and English versions)
of the Govind Ballabh Pant
Himalaya Paryavaran Evam
Vikas Sansthan for the year
1988-89 along with Audited
Accounts.

A copy of the Review (Hindi
and English versions) by the
Government on the working of
the Govind Ballabh Pant
Himalaya Paryavaran Evam
Vikas Sansthan for the year
1 988-89.

A statement (Hindi and English
versions) showing reasons for de-
lay in laying the papers mentioned
at (1) above. [Placed in Library.
See No. LT.- 1007/90]

Annual Report of and review on Institute
of Constitutional and Parliamentary stud-
ies, New Delhi, for 1988-89 and a state-
ment re. delay in laying these papers

THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND MINES
AND MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE
(SHRI DINESH GOSWAMI): I beg to lay on
the Table —

(2)

(1) (0

A copy of the Annual Report
(Hindi and English versions)
of the Institute of Constitutional
and Parliamentary Studies,

5 Papers Laid

JYAISTHA 7, 1912 (SAKA)

Papers Laid

New Delhi, for the year 1988-
89 along with Audited Ac-
counts.

A statement (Hindi and Eng-
lish versions) regarding Re-
view by the Government on
the working of the Institute of
Constitutional and Parliamen-
tary Studies, New Delhi, for
the year 1 988-89.

(2) A statement (Hindi and English
versions) showing reasons for
delay in laying the papers men-
tioned at (1) above. [Placed in
Library. See No. LT.-1 008/90]

Statement correcting reply given on
14,5.1990 to U.S.Q. No. 8472 regarding
kistftute of material science and Life
Science and Statement re. reasons for
delay in correcting the reply

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL-
OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): I beg to lay
on the Table a statement (Hindi and English
versions) (i) correcting the reply given on 14
May, 1 990 to Unstarred Question No. 8472
by Shri Basavapunnaiah Singam, M.P. re-
garding Institutes of Material Science and
Life Science and (ii) giving reasons for delay
in correcting the reply. [Placed in Library.
See f4o.LT.-1 009/90]

Annual report of and review on Institute

of Applied Manpower Research, New

Delhi, for 1988-89

THE MINISTER OF STATE MSI THE
MINISTRY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOL-
OGY (PROF. M.G.K. MENON): On behalf of
Shri Bhagey Gobardhan, I beg to lay on the
Table —

(1 ) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi
and English versions) of the Insti-
tute of Applied Manpower Re-
search, new Delhi, for the year
1988-89 along with Audited Ac-
counts.

English versions) by the Govern-
ment on the working of the Institute
of Applied Manpower Research,
New Delhi, for the year 1988-89.
[Placed in Library. See No. LT.-
1010/90]

Notification under Export (Quality Con-
trol and Inspection) Act 1 963; Review and
report of India tea and Restaurants Ltd.,
Bombay, for 1987-88 and a statement re.
delay In laying these papers; Annual
report etc. of and review on Tea Board,
Calcutta for 1988-89 and a statement re.
delay in laying these papers

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF COMMERCE (SHRI AR-
ANGILSHREEDHARAN): I beg to lay on the
Tabk

(1 ) A copy each of the following Notifi-
cation (Hindi and English versions)
under sub-section (3) of section 1 7
of the Export (Quality Control and
Inspection) Act, 1963: —

(i) The Export Inspection Agency
Death -cum -Retirement Gratu-
ity (Amendment) Rules, 1990
published in Notifications No.
S.O. 518 in Gazette of India
dated the 25th February, 1 990.

(ii) The Export Inspection Council
Death-cum-Retirement Gratu-
ity (Amendment) Rules, 1990
published in Notification No.
S.O. 519 in Gazette of India
dated the 25th February, 1 990.
[Placed in Library. See No.
LT.-1011/90]

(2) A copy each of the following papers
(Hindi and English versions) under
sub-section (1) of section 61 9A of
the Companies Act, 1956: —

(i) Review by the Government on
the working of the India Tea
and Restaurants Limited,
Bombay, forthe year 1 987-88.

(2) A copy of the Review (Hindi and

Annual Report of the India Tea

Papers Laid

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Papers Laid 8

and Restaurants Limited,
Bombay, for the year 1 987-88
along with Audited Accounts
and comments of the Comp-
troller and Auditor General
thereon.

(3) A statement (Hindi and English
versions) showing reasons for de-
lay in laying the papers mentioned
at (2) above. [Placed in Library. See
No. LT.-1012/90]

(4) (i) A copy of the Annual Report

(Hindi and English versions)
of the Tea Board, Calcutta, for
the year 1 988-89.
(ii) A copy of the Annual Accounts
(Hindi and English versions)
of the Tea Board, Calcutta, for
the year 1 988-89 together with
Audit Report thereon.

(iii) A copy of the Review (Hindi
and English versions) by the
Government on the working of
the Tea Board, Calcutta, for
the year 1 988-89.

(5) A statement (Hindi and English
versions) showing reasons for de-
lay in laying the papers mentioned
at (4) above. [Placed in Library.
See No. LT.- 101 3/90]

[ Translation]

Notification under Central Excises and
Salt Act 1944, Income Tax Act 1961,
Customs Act, 1962, Amendment to regu-
lation 22 of Reserve Bank of India Gen-
eral Regulations 1949, Consolidated
Report of the working of Public Section
Banks for 1.1.88 to 31.3.89 and annual
report of and review on Industrial Fi-
nance corporation of India for 1988-89
and Report of C.A.G. of India for year
ending 31 .3.89— Municipal corporation of

Delhi

THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (PROF.
MADHU DANDAVATE): I, on behalf of Shri
Anil Shastri, beg to lay on the Table: —

( 1 ) A copy each of the following Notifi-
cations (Hindi and English versions)
under sub-section (2) of section 38
of the Central Excises and Salt Act,
1944:—

(i) G.S.R. 797(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 31 st
August, 1989 together with an
explanatory memorandum re-
garding payment of duties erf
Excise on the Steel Bead Wire
Rings used in the manufac-
ture of Cycle/Cycle Rikshaw
tyres.

(ii) G.S.R. 950(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 1st
November, 1989 together with
an explanatory memorandum
regarding duty of Excise on
parts of Stationary Battriesfor
manufacturing/assembly of
complete Stationary Batteries
at site which was not being
levied prior to 8th May, 1984.

(iii) G.S.R. 1018(E) published in
Gazette of India datedthe 20th
November, 1 989 together with
an explanatory memorandum
regarding duty of excises on
building materials manufac-
tured at the site of construction
of building for use at such site.

(iv) G.S.R. 41 8(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 30th
March, 1 990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to Notification No. 1 62/86-CE
dated the 1st March, 1986 so
as to insert S. No. 17A in the
proviso thereto.

(v) G.S.R. 433(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 2nd
April, 1 990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to the Notification No. 175/86-
CE Dated the 1 st March, 1 986

Papers Laid

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Papers Laid 1

so as to specify a ceiling of
rupees fifty five lakhs for clear-
ances of specified goods at
concessional rate of duty
mentioned in the said notifica-
tion.

(vi) The Central Excise (Second
Amendment) Rules, 1990
published in Notification No.
G.S.R. 440(E) in Gazette of
India dated the 9th April, 1 990.

(vii) The Central Excise (Third
Amendment) Rules, 1990
Published in Notification No.
G.S.R. 441(E) in Gazette of
India dated the 9th April, 1 990.

(viii) G.S.R. 393(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 23rd
March; 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
seeking to exempt air-guns air-
rifles and air-pistols from the
whole of the duty of excise
leviable thereon.

(ix) G.S.R. 394(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 23rd
March, 1 990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to Notification No. 47/90-CE
dated the 20th March, 1 990 so
as to prescribe a concessional
rate of basic excise duty of Rs.
8.50 per kg. on nylon filament
yarn above 750 deniers with-
out any end-use condition.
[Placed in Library See No. LT-
1014/90]

(2) A copy each of the following Notifi-
cations (Hindi and English versions)
under section 296 of the Income-
tax Act, 1961: —

(i) The Income-tax (Eighth
Amendment) Rules, 1990
published in Notification No.
S.0. 269(E) in Gazette of India

dated the 29th March, 1990.

(ii) The Income-tax (Ninth Amend-
ment) Rules, 1990 published
in Notification No. S.0. 319(E)
in Gazette of India dated the
11th April, 1990.

(iii) The Income-tax (Tenth
Amendment) Rules, 1990
published in Notification No.
S.0. 325(E) in Gazette of India
dated the 12th April, 1990.

(iv) The Income-tax (Eleventh
Amendment) Rules, 1990
Published in Notification No.
S.0. 354(E) in Gazette of India
dated the 26th April, 1990.
[Placed in Library. See No.
LT.- 101 5/90]

(3) A copy each of the following Notifi-
cations (Hindi and English versions)
under section 159 of the Customs
Act, 1 962:—

(i) G.S.R.246(E)toG.S.R.386(E)
published in Gazette of India
dated the 20th March, 1 990 to-
gether with an explanatory
memorandum regarding Cus-
toms Duty changes and ex-
emptions in the context of
Budget proposals pertaining
to Indirect Taxes announced
by the Finance Minister in Lok
Sabha on the 19th March,
1990.

(ii) G.S.R. 388(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 21 st
March, 1 990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to the Notification No. 144/90-
Cus., dated the 20th March,
1990 so as to delete redun-
dant entry.

(iii) G.S.R. 396(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 26th

1 1 Papers Laid

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Papers Laid 1 2

March, 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to Notification no. 49/90-Cus.,
dated the 20th March, 1 990 so
as to prescribe basic customs
of 100 per cent on all items
other than polysulphones.

(iv) G.S.R. 400(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 27th
March, 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to Notification No. 137/80-
Cus., dated the 20th March ,
1 990 so as to permit two more,
specified items at a conces-
sional rate of 25 per cent ad
vabrem for passengers avail-
ing concessions.

(v) The Baggage (Amendment)
Rules, 1 990 published in Noti-
fication No. G.S.R. 401(E) in
Gazette of India dated the 27th
March, 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum.

(vi) The Transfer of Residence
(Amendment) Rules, 1990
published in Notification No.
G.S.R. 402(E) in Gazette of
India dated the 27th March,
1 990 together with an explana-
tory memorandum.

(vii) S.O. 260(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 27th
March, 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
regarding revised rates of ex-
change for conversion of cer-
tain foreign currencies into
Indian currency or vice-versa.

(viii) G.S.R. 405(E) and G.S.R.
406(E) published in Gazette
of India dated the 28th March,
1 990 together with an explana-
tory memorandum seeking to
exempt goods temporarily

imported under ATA Carnet
for display or use in exhibi-
tions, fairs, meetings and simi-
lar events from the whole of
the basic, additional and aux-
iliary duties of customs.

(ix) G.S.R. 419(E) and G.S.R.
420(E) published in Gazette
of India dated the 30th March,
1 990 together with an explana-
tory memorandum seeking to
exempt raw materials and
component&when imported for
manufacture of specified prod-
ucts for supply to hundred per
cent export oriented undertak-
ings or free trade zones from
the whole of the basic, addi-
tional and auxiliary duties of
Customs.

(x) G.S.R. 421(E) published in
Gazette of Indiadatedthe30th
March, 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to notification No. 1 37/90-Cus.,
dated the 20th March, 1990.

(xi) G.S.R. 422(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 30th
March, 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum re-
garding exemption to goods
imported into India against an
advance Licence from the
whole of the basic and addi-
tional duties of Customs levi-
able thereon.

(xii) G.S.R. 423(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 30th
March, 1 990 together with an
explanatory memorandum re-
garding exemption to goods
imported into India against a
Blanket Advance Licence from
the whole of the basic and
additional duties of Customs
leviable thereon.

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JYAISTHA 7, 1 91 2 (SAKA) Message from R.S. 14

(xii) G.S.R. 424(E) published in
Gazette of India dated the 30th
March, 1990 together with an
explanatory memorandum
making certain amendments
to the Notification No. 140/90-
Cus. f dated the 20th March,
1990. [Placed in Library See
No. LT-1 01 6/90J

(4) A copy of an amendment to Regu-
lation 22 of Reserve bank Of India
General Regulations, 1949 (Hindi
and English versions) published in
Gazette of India dated the 22nd
April, 1 989 under sub-section (4) of
section 58 of the Reserve Bank of
India Act, 1 934. [Placed in Library.
See No. LT-1 01 7/90]

(5) A copy of the Consolidated Report
(Hindi and English versions) of the
working of the Public Sector Banks
for the period from the 1 st January,

1988 to 31 st March, 1 989. [Placed
in Library. See No. LT-1 01 8/90]

(6) (i) A copy of the Annual Report

(Hindi and English versions)
of the Industrial Finance Cor-
poration of India for the year
1 988-89 along with the state-
ment showing the Assets and
Liabilities and Profit and Loss
Accounts of the Corporation
under sub-section (3) of sec-
tion 35 of the Industrial Finance
Corporation Act, 1 948.

(ii) A copy of the Review (Hindi
and English versions) by the
Government on the working of
the Industrial Finance Corpo-
ration of Indiaforthe year 1 988-
89. [Placed in Library. See No.
LT-1 01 9/90]

(7) A copy of the Report (Hindi and
English versions) of the Comptrol-
ler and Auditor General of India for
the year ended the 31st March,

1989 (No. 4 of 1990)— Municipal

Corporation of Delhi under article
1 51 (1 ) of the Constitution. [Placed
in Library. See No. LT-1 020/90]

11.03 hrs.

MESSAGE FROM RAJYA SABHA

[English]

SECRETARY-GENERAL: Sir, I have to
report the following message received from
the Secretary-General of Rajya Sabha: —

'I am directed to inform the Lok Sabha
that the Rajya Sabha at its sitting held
on Monday, the 1 4th May, 1 990, adopted
the following motion in regard to the
Joint Committee on Offices of Profit: —

"That this House concurs in the rec-
ommendation of the Lok Sabha that a
Joint Committee of the Houses to be
called the Joint Committee on Offices
of Profit be constituted for the pur-
poses set out in the motion adopted
by the Lok Sabha at its sitting held on
the 23rd March, 1 990, and resolves
that this House do join in the said
Joint Committee and proceed to elect,
in accordance with the system of
proportional representation by means
of the single transferable vote, five
members from among the members
of the House to serve on the said Joint
Committee."

2. I am further to inform the Lok Sabha
that in pursuance of the above motion, the
following members of the Rajya Sabha have
been duly elected to the said Committee: —

1.
2.
3.

Sardar Jagjrt Singh Aurora
Shri Anand Prakash Gautam
Shri Talari Prakash Manohar
Shri Makhan Lai Fotedar
Shri Sontosh Kumar Sahu.

1 5 Report of Comm. on pay etc. MAY 28 , 1 990
of S.Gs. of Houses of pari.

PMBR Comm. Report 1 6

11.04 hrs.

11.4 1/2 hrs.

COMMITTEE OF PARLIAMENT ON THE
PENDING MATTER OF THE SCALE OF
PAY AND CONNECTED MATTERS IN
RESPECT OF THE SECRETARIES-GEN-
ERAL OF HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT

Report

[English]

SECRETARY-GENERAL: I beg to lay
on the Table a copy of the Report of the
Committee of Parliament on the pending
matter of the scale of pay and connected
matters in respect of the Secretaries-Gen-
eral of Rajya Sabha and Lok Sabha.

SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE
(Dumdum): Mr. Speaker, now the report of
the Committee under item no. 10 has been
laid on the Table of the house. It is most
unfortunate that many Parties and Groups
have not been consulted. The matter of
Secretary-General's emoluments is the
concern of the entire Parliament. It brings in
and involves the prestige of Parliament in
relation to other services in the country. We
are not aware, nor are many of the Groups in
the House aware of this. What we want is,
before the report is implemented, this should
be intimated to all Members of different
Parties/Groups (Interruptions) *

MR. SPEAKER: The Secretariat cannot
be discussed here.

(Interruptions)

COMMITTEE ON PRIVATE MEMBERS
BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS

Minutes

[English]

SHRI SHIVRAJ V. PATIL (Latur): I beg
to lay on the Table Minutes (Hindi and Eng-
lish versions) of the First to Sixth Sitting of
the Committee on Private Members' Bills
and Resolutions held during the current
session.

[English]

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Babanrao Dhakne.

Shri A. Charles.

(Interruptions)

PROF. SAIF-UD-DIN: SOZ (Baramulla):
Sir, I have to say something very important
abut the statement of the Home Minister.

MR. SPEAKER: I will come to you.

SHRI VASANTSATHE (Wardha): Sir, I
would like to raise with your permission a
very important matter relating to the deterio-
ration of conditions in Punjab. Only the other
day, we learnt that once again in the Golden
Temple, people have gone in with arms. All
the holocaust and catastrophe in Punjab
mainly began by converting the Gurudawaras
into fortresses, if you remember. Armed
people go inside and build up so called
castles there, from where then the attacks on
the people outside get launched and , the
most sophisticated arms being collected.

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i do not know what is the policy of the
Government. Do they want the reversal of
the entire process? Is the surrender so
complete that openly the leaders of pro-
Khaltstan elements can go in with arms — as
we saw even from the photographs — and
the police just stand by? I would really like to
know from the Government because the
whole country will be concerned now. If this
is what is going to happen under your very
nose, then what kind of progress or develop-
ment or normalisation can be expected?
You are just now saying that you are going to
work towards elections in Punjab.

I would like to know from the Govern-
ment what is their attitude. What measures
are they taking? Will they ensure and prom-
ise the country that they will not allow the
Gurudwaras to be converted into such for-
tresses filled with arms and will you see to it
that people are not there with arms? Except
the traditional sword that is allowed, nothing
else should be allowed to be taken. No arms
should be allowed to be taken into Gu-
rudwaras and temples. I would like to know
the attitude of the Government.

SHRI DINESH SINGH (Pratapgarh): Mr.
Speaker, Sir with your permission I would
like to raise two very important matters this
morning. The first relates to the situation in
Sindh in Pakistan. As you would have seen
in the newspapers today, in the firing that
has been going on there, 82 people had
been killed including a large number of
women who were demonstrating with Quran
Sharif on their heads. More than 300 people
have been injured. We do not wish to inter-
fere in the internal affairs of Pakistan. But,
this is a matter which is of some concern
because it happened right on our door step.
These are the people who were misled at the
very beginning when Pakistan was consti-
tuted into believing the two-nation theory
and who had gone to Pakistan with hopes
that had been generated in the two-nation
theory and having gone there, are now in
such a position that instead of being accom-
modated and given a decent life, they are
being fired upon and shot at. We are con-
cerned that unless Pakistan does something

to find a peaceful solution, we may have a lot
of trouble on our hands, the refugees and
others. And therefore without wishing to inter-
fere in the internal affairs of Pakistan, we
would wish to draw the attention of the
Government and through this House of the
people that a peaceful solution should be
found to this problem.

The second matter that I wish to raise ts
concerning the functioning of this House
now in its extended term. It has been a
position taken by us and at the very begin-
ning the Leader of the Opposition had made
it known in this House, that it is our intention
to give constructive cooperation to the Gov-
ernment in the functioning of this House and,
also you would have noticed it has been our
endeavour to do so and, as a result, a
number of Bills have been passed in this
House as well as in the other House with full
cooperations from us.

SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE
(Dumdum): Even without discussion an
important Bill like the Finance Bill was passed.
(Interruptions)

SHRI DINESH SINGH: Yes. The situ-
ation is that on the one hand, the Govern-
ment wishes to seek our cooperation in the
business of this House, on the other hand,
they take every occasion to try to have
insinuations thrown at us based on half truths.
From the very beginning, if you remember,
from the Address of the President in this
House, we have been asking the Govern-
ment for certain papers to be placed on the
Table of the House. These papers are in the
possession of the Government. There is no
difficulty in placing them on the Table of the
House. Then the country and the world will
know what the truth is. If those papers
contain names or allegations or anything
about us, we would wish to see andearly
implementation of any judicial or other proc-
ess that the Government may wish to take. If
our names do not come, if the names of
people sitting on the other side come, then
also we would wish to see that there is earlv
implementation of whatever action the Gov-
ernment proposes to take. But this kind of

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[Sh. Dinesh Singh]

suspended insinuations is neither good for
the democratic functioning of the country
nor for the relationship between the opposi-
tion and the Government. And therefore, we
have been pleading with the Government
that whether it is papers connected with the
Bofors, whether it is papers connected with
the Airbus, whether it is terms of reference of
inquiry on Meham, these papers must be
placed on the Table of the House. If these
papers are not placed on the Table of the
House, the Government can hardly expect
cooperation from us in the passing of the
Bills that they propose to bring in the House.
Therefore, I should like to mention very cate-
gorically that the cooperation can be that
only if both sides cooperate. It cannot be an
expectation from one side without taking into
account the demands and the requests of
the other side. Therefore, if the Government
wish that we participate in this extended
term and assist them in the passing of the
Bills, then these papers must be immedi-
ately placed on the Table of the House. We
have already given four days notice to the
Government. There is no difficulty in collect-
ing these papers. But if they are not placed
in all humility, I would like to mention to the
House that they would force us not to coop-
erate with them in the passing of these Bills.
(Interruptions)

[Translation]

SHRI LK. ADVANI (New Delhi): Mr.
Speaker, Sir, I being perhaps the only Sindhi
Speaking person in the house, confirm Shri
Dinesh Singh's assertion that the develop-
ments of Sindhi are very serious.

MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Advani, Sindhi
Language is included its in the Vlilth Sched-
ule of the Constitution, in that way all of us
are related to Sindhi Language.

SHRI L.K. ADVANI: I know that all of us
had contributed in the inclusion of Sindhi in
the Vllth Schedule. The Government of India
or India would not like to interfere in the
internal affairs of Pakistan. But we have to

keep in view that the developments of Bang-
ladesh had greatly affected our country and
ultimately we had to involve ourselves ac-
tively there. The happenings of Sindh indi-
cate that due to its internal problems, Paki-
stan is muddling in our Kashmir and Punjab
affairs. The Situation is explosive to such
extent that within a day 120 persons were
killed in Sindh which is a small province. The
developments in Sindh may have greater
impact in our adjoining regions of Rajasthan
and Katchand in the whole of our country. So
we have to be very cautious in our approach.
At the same time India shall continue its
diplomatic efforts to compel Pakistan to
prevent if from interfering into the affairs.
Kashmir and Punjab. We should give a hint
as well as a warning to the rulers of Pakistan
to refrain from indulging in his adventurism
and making our internal affairs an interna-
tional issue to cover up its internal problems.

Secondly, I want to say that the Govern-
ment, should apprise in the Parliament of the
situation that has been prevailing Punjab
during the last 6 months. In 1984 a white
Paper on Punjab was issued. Thereafter,
there has been many incidents. I am very
sorry to say that the migration which has now
begun in Punjab also is a sign of deteriora-
tion of the situation. The Government should
inform the House of all the facts abut Punjab.
In the last few days the situation has further
deteriorated -because of the frequent cases
of kid-napping and ransom. I think, these
incidents are more disturbing than that cases
of murder and violence.

Last week, I myself visited Aboharand
met the people of that small Tehsil Zira. The
people from there came to meet me. They
told me that within a month ransoms of about
rupees one and half crore to two crores had
been paid to secure release of kidnapped
persons in that Tehsil. These are the serious
situations prevailing there, the Government
should take the Parliament into confidence
and bring out a second white-paper which
should indicate the facts not mentioned in
the fresh white-paper and also details how
Pakistan is interfering in Kashmir.

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SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY (Rosera):
Mr. Speaker, Sir, I associate myself with
what has been said by Shri Dinesh Singh Ji
and Shri Advani Ji about Sindh our country
has always been the staunch supporter of
democracy. We have always supported the
movement for democracy in every part of the
world. Sir, in the Sindh Provnce of Pakistan
a struggle for restoration of democracy has
been fur going on four several months. The
Pakistani Government is bent upon to Gush
the movement which is being piloted by
Muhazir-Kaumi-Movement under the lead-
ership of Shri Gulam Mustaba Jatoi who is
the leader of the united opposition Party. As
our leaders has said in Karachi and Hydera-
bad water and electricity supply has been
discontinued for 13 days. The local Maullavi
through the Mike announced that people
have come in street to lodge their protest
when the people came out on the road in
protest, they were crushed by the Army. The
Army Killed 135 persons and injured more
than 300 persons.

I, therefore, want say that it is our moral
duty to support the movement for the resto-
ration of democracy being launched there
and we denounce the efforts of the govern-
ment of Pakistan to crush the movement.

[English]

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): Sir, hon. Member, Shri Dinesh
Singh has raised a number of issues. First
thing, we have not made any insinuation
about their cooperation or functioning in this
House. We are grateful to whatever coop-
eration they are giving-sometimes construc-
tive, sometimes otherwise.

SHRI ZULFIQUAR ALI KHAN (Ram-
pur): Again an insinuation.

SHRI P. UPENDRA: Statement of fact.
Sir, we had a meeting of the leaders of all
parties last week. In that meeting we decided
on the business to be taken up this week. In
the meeting, the leaders of the Congress (I)

raised the question of placing some docu-
ments on the Table of the House which they
demanded earlier. And we promised that
whatever papers have to be placed or can be
placed, the Government will place them
before the end of the session, that is, before
the end of this week. Particularly they men-
tioned documents relating to the Bofors deal,
the Airbus deal and the terms of reference of
the inquiry into the Meham incident. All the
three are engaging the attention of the
Government. The Cabinet is taking a view
today and tomorrow and, as promised by the
Government, we will try to place whatever
documents can be placed before the end of
the session.

SHRI DINESH SINGH: In this connec-
tion, Sir, this ambiguous statement made by
the Minister for Parliamentary Affairs is what
causes concern. He Says: "whatever papers
have to be placed and whatever can be
placed." That means, he will select what
papers can be placed. This is what our
objection is about. We want all papers to be
placed so that he does not play around with
that. {Interruptions) It is this kind of conceal-
ing certain papers that shows the intentions
of the Government. (Interruptions)

I would then suggest to the hon. Minister
for Parliamentary Affairs that he might post-
pone voting on these Bills fill he has taken a
decision, if he desires our cooperation on
them. If he does not desire our cooperation,
it is a different matter. But then the responsi-
bility for the Bills passing or not passing will
be his, not ours.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE
(Boipur): Sir, so far as items 16 and 17 in
today's list of business are concerned, one
deals with the Amendment of the Constitu-
tion relating to the Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes Commission-statutory
powers to be given-and the other relating to
land reforms.

I would like to know from Mr. Dinesh
Singh whether his party, with or without the
papers being laid on the Table, is going to
support or oppose the Bills. Let them decide

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Comm. Report 24

[Sh. Somnath Chatterjee]

whether they are going to oppose the Bills.
We insist that these Bills should be taken up
by this House. These are two important Bills.
They should be non-controversial Bills. These
cannot be matters of a quid pro quo. These
are types of Bills which cannot be a subject-
matter of a bargain. In the name of so-called
constructive opposition, they cannot hold
the country to ransom.

(Interruptions)

SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE
(Panskura): While appreciating the demand
for laying Bofors Papers on the Table, I
would like to appeal to the Congress Party
not to make that a pre-condition to the pass-
ing of these Bills! (Interruptions) These are
such Constitution (Amendment) Bills to which
they are also committed. Therefore, I make
an appeal that these two Bills be passed with
the requisite majority.

(Interruptions)

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura):
This shows the intention and motive of the
Congress (I) Party. (Interruptions) They are
demanding a pre-condition for passing two
important Constitution (Amendment) Bills.
The Bill to include land reforms in the Ninth
Schedule is an important one. This Bill also
gives statutory power to Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes Commission. Asstated
by the Parliamentary Affairs Minister, Gov-
ernment will place all the papers... (Interrup-
tions)... We know that they will place all the
relevant papers on the Table of the House...
(Interruptions)... But you should not bring
this issue in the way of passing these two
Bills, one of which is regarding land reforms.
Is it that you do not want the Land Reforms
Bill to be passed or you do not want to give
statutory power to the Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes Commission? Kindly
inform about this to the House.

PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): This is
just like holding a sword at my throat and
then asking me to give my reply. Here are the

Bills which we ourselves were anxious to
pass. It has so happened so that they have
come in now. Do they want to hold us to
ransom? Here are the papers about which
we have been worried, troubled and pained
for three years. I do not speak only for
myself. I myself have been anxious, more
than others, to know the truth, the whole
truth... (Interruptions) ... Mr. Speaker Sir, I
went out of my way—Let me take the House
into confidence — to ask the highest man
concerned in our party, in our Government
to assure me that there was nothing wrong
on our side and I was given that assurance
which I accepted. But nevertheless, they
have been saying 'something is there' and
my conscience had been at great pain. Now,
we want all the papers to be laid on the Table
of the House. Why is it that they want to keep
them? Still people of this country are won-
dering as to whether there is something
wrong because masses behind us are under
the impression that we have done some-
thing terribly wrong. Is it not the time that we
should face the truth, the whole truth, noth-
ing but the truth? Is it wrong of us to say this?
And, we are giving all our cooperation. They
have no other right except the right of de-
mocracy and our attachment to it. Other-
wise, could this minority Government be
there? Since we are devoted to democracy,
we are supporting them. And they want to do
it this way-holding us to ransom? It does not
lie in the mouth of my friends in their new
enthusiasm for democracy to say like this. ...
(Interruptions)... Here is the son of a friend
of mine.

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE:
Nostalgia is good but it does not help us
today. (Interruptions)

PROF. N.G. RANGA: I want the truth,
the whole truth. Let the papers be placed on
the table of the House. Is it wrong on our part
to ask for that? Should they not cooperate
with me, the oldest democrat in this House?
We are asking for all the papers. You are the
custodian of our rights.... (Interruptions). It is
their elementary duty to respond to our
demand. We have been waiting for all these
years and we have been cooperating with

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them. We are at the fag end of the session
and we are going beyond the date that they
themselves fixed for this session. We are
asking them for the papers. Please for God* s
sake, let us dear the conscience of the
people and place the papers on the Table of
the House. Should they not cooperate with
us? From their cooperators, their allies and
themselves, can we not expect this much of
minimum cooperation? That is all I have to
say.

SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): Sir, I
quite appreciate the concern of Shri Dinesh
Singh and our great leader, Prof. Ranga to
know the truth and the whole truth. Yes , in
earlier years we had also been demanding to
know the truth.

We have listened to the Government's
position in this regard. Government wants to
place before the House the relevant docu-
ments.... (Interruptions) But Sir, I am aston-
ished to see that now these Congress lead-
ers have taken recourse to hold the entire
agricultural labour and peasantry of our
country to ransom by not agreeing to coop-
erate with the Government to pass these two
Bills. The agricultural workers number about
ten crores in our country. They expect that
the land reforms should be implemented and
implemented as speedily as possible. This is
not the Time for me to emphasise the impor-
tance of the land reforms. They have failed in
a very dismal manner for the last four dec-
ades in this respect and now when the people
of our country, particularly the peasantry and
agricultural workers want that the land re-
forms should be implemented expeditiously,
they want to hold the entire agricultural
workers and peasantry to ransom. The
country would like to know what position they
have taken in this respect.

So far as the scheduled castes and
scheduled tribes are concerned, they are
having a statutory right to get their griev-
ances redressed and the Government want
to pass these very important measures which
they have brought forward before the House.
I would appeal to them in the name of the
people of our country , in the name of millions

of agricultural workers and scheduled castes
and scheduled tribes that they should agree
to pass these two Constitution Amendment
Bills at least. At the same time, they should
continue their fight for getting the truth and
we shall also be with them in the matter of
getting the truth. We also want that the
corruption should be checked at the high
places and it should not be encouraged and
must be brought to light.

I therefore, request my friends to coop-
erate so that these two Bills are passed....
(Interruptions)

SHRI NANI BHATTARCHARYA (Ber-
hampore): In the all party leaders meeting —
I also had the privilege of attending that
meeting — S/Shri Singh, Sathe and Kumar-
mangalam were also there. The leaders of
the Congress Party were also there and
there was a sort of understanding where it
was said that the papers will be laid on the
Table of the House. It is a matter of common
sense that not all papers — papers which are
likely to infringe the defence question, the
security of the country cannot be made public.
Papers sufficient to reveal truth regarding
corruption and corrupt practices — are rele-
vant and can be laid on the Table of the
House.

SHRI P.R. KUMARMANGALAM (Sa-
lem): What is relevance? You please define
relevance because last time they said rele-
vance has no relevance.

SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA: So, the
understand ing was that all the relevant papers
will be laid on the Table of the House may be
on the first day or the last day of the Session.
Now, it is surprising that these gentlemen
are going back on their understanding and
on their assurance.

SHRI P.R. KUMARMANGALAM: We
are not going back on any assurance.

SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA: Sir, it is
surprising that they have put a pre-condition
to extend their support to the Constitutional
(Amendment) Bills. Let these gentleman.

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[Sh. Nani Bhattacharya]

You tell the people of the country that they
are opposing the constitutional amendment
bill which is intended to safeguard the inter-
est of the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes. Similarly, let them also tell the people
that they don't want to safeguard the inter-
ests of the poor peasants by giving the
constitutional authority to the land laws.

PROF.SAIFUDDINSOZ(Baramulla): I
can suggest a compromise formula.

SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA: The
Constitutional (Amendment) Bill makes it
obligatory on the part of the State Govern-
ments to implement the provisions of the
relevant clauses. So, I request Mr. Sathe,
Mr. Singh and others to see things, to go
deep int the affairs.

SHRI P.R. KUMARMANGALAM: Yes,
we want to go deep.

SHRI NANI BHATTACHARYA: There
are papers which reveal the corrupt prac-
tices at the high level. The understanding
was that they should be placed on the Table
of the House.

SHRI P. UPENDRA: Sir, hon. Shri Di-
nesh Singh, for whom I have great respect,
obviated the need to call for any insinuatin.
He made it so plain and crude, but...

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: But
soberly. That is his qualification.

THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION
AND BROADCASTING AND MINISTER OF
PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI P.
UPENDRA): Sir, I can understand if the
Opposition takes exception to the passing of
the Bills if the papers are related to the bills.
They have nothing to do with the bills under
consideration. They are absolutely different
papers, not related to the bills. I don't know
why they are linking up the laying of the
papers with these bills which are very
momentous bills and for which we have been
waiting for a long time. People of this country

particularly the Scheduled Castes and Scl
uled Tribes and the land less workers
waiting for these bills. They also raised
question of papers. They have taken ex<
tion to my adjectives. Sir, they have bee
the Government for decades and they h
rendered an invaluable service to the nal
They should understand which papers aj
be laid on the Table of the House; what
be disclosed and what cannot be disclo
and also the practical difficulties. I can <
take two examples. For example, the te
of reference of the Supreme Court inqt
As you know, the Chief Justice of India
to be approached for his approval to n«
the Judge. An approach has already b
made. We are waiting for a reply from
Chief Justice of India. As soon as we
cerve, it will be laid as well as the term
reference will be announced simultaneoi

As regards the Bofors' documents,
have received the unpublished report. Ag
it requires the approval or concurrence ol
Government of Sweden to make it public
approach has already been made to
Government of Sweden also to make it pu
ihave given two examples of these prari
difficulties or the practical problems invol
in laying. Here, we are expediting it.
stand by our promise. I told them that be
this Session ends, whatever papers car
laid, we will lay them. That is exactly wi
said. I will stand by that. (Interruptions)

SHRI KHEMCHANDBHA! SOMAB
CHAVDA (Patan): Mr. Speaker, Sir, pie
allow me to say something. We are c
cerned with the Scheduled Castes
Scheduled Tribes. Items number 15, 16
1 7, all these three items relate to Schedi
Castes and Scheduled Tribes. Please a
me to say something... (Interruptions)

[Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Chavda, pie
take your seat.

[English]

SHRI DINESH SINGH: Mr. Spea

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Sir, hon. Member, Shri Somnath Chatterjee
had made a reference to me. I hold Shri
Somnath Chatterjee with great respect.

[Translation)

MR. SPEAKER: You are making a per-
sonnel explanation.

SHRI DINESH SINGH: Both, Sir.

[English]

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE: I said,
he is a very sober person. He is a mis-fit
there.

SHRI DINESH SINGH: i have watched
his performance when he used to sit on this
side of the House. But something has
changed very much in this transformation
that has happened, that is, when he crossed
the floor. I am sorry that in this request of
ours to place the papers on the Table of the
House for a very specific reason he is trying
to mix it with various issues to give an im-
pression that we are not interested in those
issues. I am sorry that Somnath ji has raised
the issue of Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes. He knows very well that much
before his party came into existence in the
world, the Congress Party, under the leader-
ship of Mahatma Gandhi, had been fighting
for the rights of the Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please order.

Please srt down.

[Translation]

castes. (Interruptions) All that i am trying to
say is that , it is not our intention... (Interrup-
tions)

[ Translation)

SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI (Kota): That
congress is dead.

(Intenvptions)

SHRI DINESH SINGH: All that I am
saying is that, we are equally interested in
seeing that these Bills are passed. That is
why, we are suggesting to the hon. Minister
for Parliamentary Affairs that he should fa-
cilitate the passing of these Bills. It is not that
we are asking for these papers only from
yesterday or today, we have asked for them
three months ago. Does it take the Govern-
ment three months to collect these papers?
It is their intention of not parting with these
papers or placing them on the Table of the
House that is creating concern in our minds.
They want purposely to create a wrong
impression in the country that they have
certain materials and that they will not share
them with the House. It only shows that they
do hot have any worthwhile case and they
want to keep this charge going merely to
gain a political advantage. And it is not our
intention to permit them to gain this political
advantage. I have great regard and affection
for Mr. Upendra, but I see that he has begun
to perform like his leader who combines
many roles in one film. (Interruptions)

SHRI VASANT SATHE: Krishna,
Duryodhan and Karna-all in one. (Interrup-
tions)

SHRI DINESH SINGH: Now, there are
many so called supporters of the Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes. But I remem-
ber those days that if you sat and ate with the
members of the scheduled castes, you were
thrown out of your caste and community, it
was then that Congress was struggling. It is
very much easy now to sit in a restaurant and
eat with somebody from the scheduled

SHRI DINESH SINGH: Sir, he was trying
to do the same thing in the House. I would
beg of him to remain Mr. Upendra, and not to
perform various other roles that are being
unfortunately thrust upon him. i can only
assure him that K is our intention to assist this
House in passing this Bill; but we have
limitations and difficulties on this also. (Inter-
ruptions)

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Comm. Report

[Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat
there is unaminity about SC/ST.

(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Chavda, Please sit
down. We are already discussing what you
are refferring to.

SHRI SAIFUDDIN CHOUDHURY: I
have only one suggestion to make on what
the hon. Minister Mr. Upendra said . He has
said that Government has written to the
Swedish Government for disclosing the
contents of the Audit Bureau Report, which
was not published. I wish them success in
their persuasion with the Swedish Govern-
ment. If they fait, then without bothering
about what the Swedish Government is
saying, they should come out openly with
facts.

[Translation]

SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH
(Jahanabad): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am on a
point of order.

MR. SPEAKER: What is your point of
order? Mr. Soz, please take your seat. He
has raised a point of order.

SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH:
Sir, my point of order is that just now the
learned Member Shri Dinesh Singh has said
that his party had been struggling for the
welfare of the Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes from the very beginning even
when the Communist Party was not in exis-
tence. I would like to remind the hon. Mem-
ber about JawaharlaFs book, "A Glimpse of
World History in which he has written that
the Revolution of 1917 under the leadership
of Lenin is a beacon for the poor and the
down-trodden of the whole world and that it
was proving to be very helpful in the Free-
dom-struggle of India. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: This is not a point of
order. Please take your seat.

[English]

PROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ(Baram
Sir, the Home Minister is not here; an
privilege is involved.

[Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: There is no quest
privilege-you make your point.

[English]

PROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ: I hav€
it, and it has gone on record, that the F
Minster's impulse regarding Kashmir is
sincere, because I had the privilege of
ing to him a number of times. But the h
Minister's statement has misled the H
as also the Prime Minister's which he
made on the 22nd in this House. He nol
quoted a wrong figure of those who fell
in the firing that was done by the |
military on the mourners on the 21st;
when I quoted the figures, he said that
wrong, and he contradicted me and
these figures were concocted, wrong, u
and then he said that I had got the fk
from the terrorists.

Now, my list is complete, i rais
question, with this House would you nc
to know what has happened? I want t
the Home Minister to inform this House
many people died on the spot, and
many people died in the hospitals b\
evening? It cannot be less than 50 tha
(Interruptions)

AN HON. MEMBER: How many
cers? (Interruptions)

[Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: Please take your
There is no point his standing.

(Interruptions)

PROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ: In Kas
there is terrible heart-burning on the t
Minister's statement here. He has cc

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Comm. Report 34

I me. Now 137 officers have appealed
citizens of the world, ft has come in The
i Express and other papers. (Interrup-
I have not completed it. He owes an
nation to me, rather an apology. You
Near me because this is very important.
options)

"HE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS
I MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED):
> is discussion on this under Rule 193.
ot know how have you allowed him to
this point. (Interruptions)

>HRi P. UPENDRA: Discussion on this
is listed under Rule 193 today.

>ROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ: No ques-
f discussion.

to must withdraw the words saying that
formation was based on the informa-
om the terrorists. I will not insist on my
>ge motion if he withdraw the words
g that my information was based on the
lation from the terrorists. He must with-
these words. (Interruptions)

>HRI P. UPENDRA: Why are you rais-
now? (Interruptions)

AR SPEAKER: Shri Khurana.
(Interruptions)

>ROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ: The Prime
ter should not abolish the Ministry of
mir Affairs. (Interruptions) The Ministry
shmir Affairs cannot be abolished. He
consult leaders of political parties. (Inter-
>ns) The Home Minister must withdraw
xpression.

station]

AR. SPEAKER: I have not accepted
lotice by motion 2 Privilege.

>HRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (SOUTH
II): I am on a point of order,

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Soz, Sir. Please sit
down.

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA:- Sir, my
point of order is that you have not accepted
the Privilege Motion and hon. Home Minister
has said that discussion on Jammu-Kashmir
is listed under the rule 1 93. My request isthat
if discussion on Jammu-Kashmir continues
we would also like to say something. We
have brought all the documents. The way his

name is associated with Terrorists (Inter-

ruptbns)

MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of
order, you please sit down. I have listened to
your point of order.

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: My
request is that we also want to saying some-
thing. Will there be only one issue in the
discussion?

MR. SPEAKER: There is no point of
order, You please, take your seat. You have
already spoken about point of order. Mr.
Ram Naik, you may raise the discussion
about the strike.

PROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ: He must
withdrawthis expression that my information
was based on the information from the ter-
rorists. (Interruptions) My information was
not based on the information from the terror-
ists. I have no truck with them. He may be
having it. (Interruptions) I will better walk
out. (Interruptions) He must withdraw that
expression and apologise.

[Translation]

I will not yield till he withdraws his re:
marks. (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please take your seat.

(Interruptions)

PROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ: He must
withdraw this expression saying that my in-
formation was based on the information from
the terrorists. (Interruptions)

35 PMBR

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Comm. Report 36

[ Translation]

SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Mr.
Speaker, Sir, the Telecommunication sys-
tem in the country has been disturbed for the
last four days (Interruptions) ....

MR. SPEAKER: Why are you standing?
I shall call everyone.

SHRI RAM NAIK: The officers of the
Telecommunicates department are on strike
and ... (Interruptions)

SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI
CHAVDA (Patan): I am on a point of order.

MR. SPEAKER: Yes.

SHRI KHEMCHANDBHAI SOMABHAI
CHAVDA: On a point of order. Mr. Ram Naik
is speaking. Then Prof. Soz is also speaking.
(Interruptions)

[ Translation]

MR. SPEAKER: Which rule has been
voilated. ShriChavda, Please sit down. There
is no point of order.

(Interruptions)

SHRI RAM LAL RAHI (Misrikh):- Mr.
Speaker, Sir, I am on a point of order.

MR. SPEAKER: What is your Point of
Order? Under which rule you want to raise
your point of order?

SHRI RAM LAL RAHI:- I am going to
place my Point of Order Just now, but please
listen to my point. Mr. Speaker, Sir, just now,
an Hon'ble Member of Bhartiy a Janata Party
has levelled this allegation against Mr. Soz in
the House (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: There is no Point of
Order. Please sit down.

[English]

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Soz, you take your
seat.

PROF. SAIF-UD-DIN SOZ: He has to
withdraw his words. He has misled the House.

[ Translation]

(Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER:- Please take your seat.

(Interruptions)

SHRI RAM LAL RAHI: Mr. Speaker, Sir,
I want that you should safe guard the honour
of the Hon'ble Members (Interruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. There
is no Point of Order. You are speaking against
the order of the Chair.

SHRI RAM NAIK:- Mr. Speaker, Sir, the
whole Communication System in the coun-
try has been disrupted which has resulted in
total chaos and collapse of the Communica-
tion system. People can neither talk with
each-other in our country, nor there is any
telecommunication link with the foreign
countries. Secondly, the computer system
has been broken out at all places whether it
is Indian Air Lines Reservation system Rail-
way reservation system Fax System or it is a
Telex system of Oil Companies. The news
have not been coming through Teleprinters
in the newspapers, as a result of which
information is not being provided to the en-
tire country. Such a serious situation has
been created. It has been reported that the
employees of the telecommunication sys-
tem—telecommunication Engineer Service
Association and Junior Telecommunication
Officers Association have been agitating and
launching work to rule agitation. During last
November '89, the Government had accepted
the recommendations of Telecommunica-
tion Commissioner, but the present Govern-
ment has not been accepting those points,
that is why the present agitation has been

37 PMBR

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Comm. Report 38

launched. It is being said that the Ministry of
Finance has been creating some obstacles
in its implementation. In the Bombay city
alone, Mahanagar Telephone Nigam has
been incurring a loss of Rs. one crore daily I
would lice to say that the Minister of Finance
and Minister of Telecommunication should
take the House into confidence about the
sftuation and make a statement in this regard
today itself. It is my submission.. (Interrup-
tions) ...

[EngRsh]

SHRI P. UPENDRA: Sir, the session
has been specifically extended to complete
pending urgent Government business and it
was decided in the Business Advisory
Committee as well as in the meeting of the
Leaders, that other issues will not be raised
until these Bills are passed. Again, we are
spending lot of time on these issues. I re-
quest you to take up the legislative business
of the House. (Interruptions)

[Translation)

SHRI BANWARILAL PUROHIT
(Nagpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, such a misman-
agement has not been seen in the Ministry of
Communication till today. I come from
Nagpur, though the telecommunication sys-
tem has been completely disrupted in the
entire country, but telecommunication sys-
tem has totally collapsed in the nine districts
of VkJharbha region of Nagpur. The services
of Teleprinters, U.T.I, P.T.I, and FAX has
been completely discontinued to the local
newspapers of the state. Industries and
Business has completely come to a stand-
still, because telephonic talk can not be
made to other places of our country from
Gujarat. Even there is no means of Commu-
nication to send messages to Delhi and
Bombay for life saving drugs. FAX services
has also been disrupted. Mr. Speaker, Sir,
the telecommunication, system has been
disrupted so much during the regime of
present Government that no efforts has been
taken to solve it. No talks have been held
about the demands of the employees. The
communication system may be improved

after holding talks with the employees. To-
day, such is the situation in Nagpur city...
(Interruptions)

[English]

12.00 hre.

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Kumaramanga-
lam.

SHRI P. R. KUMARAMANGALAM
(Salem): Sir, I would like to bring to the notice
of the Government that the telephone situ-
ation is extremely bad and the telecommuni-
cation system is almost completely broken
down. Yesterday night we could not make
local calls.... (Interruptions)

Sir, it is most unfortunate that after I
have been called to speak, I note that the
Minister gets up to speak and on his own he
is trying to make a statement. There is a
certain method... (Interruptions)

[ Translation]

THE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND
MINISTER OF FOOD PROCESSING IN-
DUSTRIES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): Mr.
Speaker, Sir, all that he is saying

MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. I have
called Shri Kumarmangolam.

[English]

SHRI P. R. KUMARAMANGALAM: Sir,
this issue has come up earlier. It was settled
very amicably by discussing with the Junior
Engineers Association, the Telecom Offi-
cers Association. Unfortunately, the Gov-
ernment is not taking positive steps to solve
the problem. Communication is coming to a
halt. Yesterday we could not make even
local calls and the reason is because the
Government is taking the matter lightly. If
only they could call the Association, discuss
with them, they could settle the issue within
minutes. Unfortunately this Government does

39 PMBR

MAY 28 ,1990

Comm. Report 40

[Sh. P.R. Kumaramangaiam]

not seem to take any matter seriously and
the whole telecommunication system is col-
lapsing. I would plead with the Government
that they discuss with the Association imme-
diately on certain matters. Certainly it is not
d\tt\cuk... (Interrupt bns)

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Lokanath Ch-
oudhary.

SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHURY
(Jagatsinghpura): Sir, the entire telecommu-
nication system in the country is paralysed....
(Interruptions) The Government should come
with a statement today as to what steps they
propose to take to solve this problem . . ( Inter-
ruptions)

MR. SPEAKER: Shri Chitta Basu.

SHRI CHITTA BASU (Barasat): Sir, as
many hon. Members have drawn the atten-
tion to the complete disruption of the com-
munication system in our country, the hon.
Minister for communication should make a
statement.. {Interruptions)

SHRI SOMNATH CHATTERJEE
(Bolpur): We are also supporting this.

SHRI CHITTA BASU: The Junior Tele-
communication system officers and the
Assistant Engineers had been agitating on
this issue for a long time. They submitted a
demand of having time bound promotion in
October last. They demand that there should
be a promotion in case of Junior officers after
twelve years of continuous service and in
case of Assistant Engineers, they should
have this chance of promotion after ten years
of service. This is a long pending demand of
a very important section of our tele-commu-
nication officers. There have been some
talks. I hope, the talks will bring about the
desired results. Iwant that the Minister himself
takes up the negotiations and brings about a
peaceful settlement of the situation so that
the people can be relieved of this problem in
telecommunication.

[Translation]

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: i would
like to submit about telecommunication
system that you should ask him to make a
statement, because telecommunication
system has been paralysed there. My tele-
phone has been out of order for four days —
{Interruptions)

[English]

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: On behalf
of the entire House, Sir, you can ask the
Minister to make a statement.

MR. SPEAKER: I am not coming in the
way. They are there and they can make a
statement.

[Translation]

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: Keep-
ing in view the atmusphene in the House,
you should direct him to make a statement
You should ask him to make a statement in
this regard.... (Interruptions)

SHRI NATHU SINGH (Dausa): I make a
request that Government should make a
statement on the situation which has been
created only by the strike of Engineers.
Government should make a statement on
the entire telecommunication system. (Inter-
ruptbns)

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY. OF TOURISM ( SHRI SATYA PAL
. ALIK): I will covey the feelings of the House
to the concerned Minister and request him to
make a statement about it.

MR. SPEAKER: I would like to submit
only this much that so many members have
given their names to ask the Questions.
Therefore, first of all, I would like to say that
in the begining that Bill may be taken up for
which the sittings of the House have been
extended.

41 Comm. on Absence of JYAISTHA7, 1912(S>UCA)

MPs. Report 42

1 2.08 hrs.

COMMITTEE ON ABSENCE OF MEM-
BERS FROM THE SITTINGS OF THE

HOUSE

First Report

[Translation]

SHRI BABANRAO DHAKNE (Beed): I
beg to present the first report (Hindi and
English version of the Committee on Ab-
sence of Members from the Sittings of the
House.

1 2.09 hrs.

[MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair]

{English]

SHRI BAL GOPAL MISHRA (Bolangir):
I am on a point of order. Zero Hour has been
a privilege of the Members to raise various
issues concerning the country... (Interrup-
tions)

SHRI AJITPANJA (Calcutta North East):
I bring to your kind attention that in this
Session a rule has been made that for rais-
ing any point in Zero Hour a written notice
has to be given between 10-10.30 A. M. to
the Office of the Speaker. I have done so and
notice was given exactly at 1 O'clock today
regarding the misuse of national TV network
and illegal showing of thef ilm of NTR named,
'Daana Veera Sura Kama'. This film is not
national award winner nor an international
award winner, nor selected for Film Festival.
No film can be shown in national network on
Sunday unless any of these conditions are
fulfilled. Secondly, at 10.30 A.M. this film
was started showing, although the time was
1 1 .30 A. M. and it went for a longer time then
usually given for such films. The result is
other films already fixed up during that time

were cancelled unilaterally causing loss to
the common men, that is, producers con-
cerned. This is not the first time but in De-
cember 1989 and in January 1990 also this
Government indulged in such mal-practices.
Therefore, the TV has become a toy in the
hand of a delinquent child named the Infor-
mation Minister, Shri P. Upendra. I demand
that the Minister must make a statement and
no amount of professional charges and fees
should be paid to NTR or anybodyelse in
respect of this film, which was illegally shown.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No point of
order.

SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT
(Manjeri): Sir, I must say that the matter
raised by Mr. Soz is completely different
from the discussion under Rule 193. The
Home Minister has misled the House. He
has given wrong figures about those who
were killed by firing on the mourners of
Mirwaiz and he rhust correct himself. The
Minister should give correct figures. He has
misled the House. He has also said that Mr.
Soz has got information from the terrorists.
This is also very serious. It is different from
discussion Cinder Rule 1 93.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Sulaiman
Sait, you have had your say. Now, take your
seat.

PRF. SAIFUDDIN SOZ: Sir, I have
decided to walk our.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Nothing of
what Mr. Soz says will form part of the
record.

(Interruptions)*

At this stage Shri Saifuddin Soz and some
other hon. Members left the House

SHRI M. J. AKBAR ^Kishanganj): Sir,
the Minister for Kashmir Affairs according to
a report in the newspaper has been divested
of the Kashmir portfolio. The Ministry has

'Not recorded.

43 Comm. on Absence of

MAY 28 ,1990

M.Ps. Report 44

[Sh. M.J. Akbar]

been disbanded. The Prime Minister has
given a very confusing answer in the House
and not informed the House about the status
of that Ministry. I think, we are entitled to
know whether that Ministry exists or not.

[ Translation)

SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA (South
Delhi): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I had given
a notice about Bachhawat Wage Board and
Hon. Speaker had promised to give me time
to raise this matter in the House.. (Interrup-
thns)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to
raise two points about Bachhawat Wage
Board award. One is related to the Govern-
ment. Notification in connection with the
implementation of the Bachhawat Wage
Board award. Second is about the imple-
mentation of the report of the Expert Com-
mittee for grant of pension to journalists.

Has the Government conducted any
survey in connection with the implementa-
tion of the recommendations of the Bachha-
wat Wage Board and how many newspa-
pers owners have implemented these rec-
ommendations. According to my informa-
tion, only 10 per cent newspaper owners
have implemented it and 90 per cent have
not implemented them. Supreme Court has
also not accepted the plea of News Paper
owners, but the laws are obsolete. It is my
submission to the Government that Govern-
ment should clear its position in this regard
and the newspapers owners who have not
implemented the award, should be asked to
implement them.

Similarly, the report of the Expert Com-
mittee about the pension to the journalists is
lying in the cold storage, it should also be got
implemented by the Government .... (Inter-
ruptions) ....

SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir, Hon. Members are
following the procedure of making submis-

sion in Zero Hour. Many important matters
are being raised under it. The issue of non-
implementation of Bachhawat Wage Board
award has been raised, the newspaper
ovyners are not very serious about the imple-
mentation of its recommendations and these
are not being implemented even after the
assurances by the Government again and
again, because Government is not taken
any stringent action against these newspa-
per owners. Many owners have gone to the
court. I and my colleagues had given a notice
the by ignoring all the norms prescribed for
telecast of films, film of the N.T.R. had been
telecast by Television. It appears that Radio
and Television have become mouth piece of
the National Front and the friends of the
members of National Front Government
u nder the leadership of ShriUpendraL..(/ntef-
ruptbns) ...

[English)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is not a
point of order. Now you have had too much
of your say...

(Interruptions)

SHRI HARISH RAWAT: f am quoting
the rule also Sir.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Rawat,
please take your seat...

(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now Bills to
be introduced. Shri Sharad Yadav

(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Only what
Mr. Sharad Yadav says will form part of the
record....

(Interruptions)*

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Ladhaji, it is
not forming part of the record...

(Interruptbns)*

'Not recorded.

Jute Manufactures Dev. J YA1STHA 7, 1 91 2 (SAKA) Matters under Rule 377 46
Council (Amend.) BUI
Const (68th Amend.) BUI

.16 hra. SHRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED:

Sir, I introduce the Bill.
'ranslation)

TE MANUFACTURES DEVELOPMENT
COUNCIL (AMENDMENT) BILL 4

IE MINISTER OF TEXTILES AND MIN-
ER OF FOOD PROCESSING INDUS-
ES (SHRI SHARAD YADAV): Mr. Dep-
Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that leave be
rrted to introduce a Bill to amend the Jute
nufactures Development Council Act,
13.

Inglish]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question

That leave be granted to introduce a
Bill to amend the Jute Manufactures
Devebpment Council Act, 1983."

The motion was adopted.

rans/af/on]

SHRI SHARAD YADAV: Mr. Deputy
Speaker, Sir, I introduce the Bill.

^17 hrs.

INSTITUTION (SIXTY-NINTH AMEND-
MENT) BILL"

tglish]

THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS
IRI MUFTI MOHAMMAD SAYEED): Sir,
xj to move for leave to introduce a Bill
her to amend the Constitution of India.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question

That leave be granted to introduce a
Bill further to amend the Constitution of
India."

The motion was adopted

[English]

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377

(I) Need for a Bench of Kerala
Hlghcourt and an Administra-
tive Tribunal at Trlvendrum
(Kerala)

SHRI A. CHARLES (Trivandrum): Sir,
the question of establishing a branch of the
Kerala High Court at Trivandrum, the capital
of Kerala, is pending for the last more than
twenty years. In 1 971 , the Kerala Legislature
passed a unanimous resolution for estab-
lishing a Bench at Trivandrum. As no deci-
sion was taken, in 1 985, the Kerala Govern-
ment clarified that this will be reviewed along
with the decision for setting up an Adminis-
trative Tribunal at Trivandrum. But the
Administrative Tribunal was also subse-
quently established at Cochin. As a result,
there is neither a Bench of the High 'Court
nor an Administrative Tribunal in the capital
of Kerala. This has led to lot of administrative
inconvenience. It is, therefore, requested
that the Central Government may take ur-
gent steps for establishing a Bench of the
Kerala High Court and an Administrative
Tribunal at Trivandrum without further delay.

[ Translation]

(II) Need to construct a Multi-Pur-
pose Dam on river Kosi In Bihar

SHRI RAMENDRA KUMAR RAVI
YADAV (Modhepura): Mr. Deputy Speaker,
Sir, Kosi division in Bihar is affected every
year by heavy rains and devastating floods
in Kosi river leading to disruption of public
life. Crops of the farmers are destroyed and
a lot of inconvenience is caused due to
disruption of transport f acilites. Not only this,
almost entire North Bihar is affected by the
floods in Kosi river. Lakhs of houses, thou-

ubiished in Gazette of India, Extraordinary, Part II, Section 2, dated 28.5.90.

47 Matters under

MAY 28 ,1990

Rule 377 48

[Sh. Ramendra Kumar Ravi Yadav]

sands of cattle, thousands of kilometres long
pucca roads, crops standing in lakhs of acres
of land are damaged and lives of thousands
of people are adversely affected by it. Every
year Bihar Government has to incur loss to
the tune of crores of rupees due to devastat-
ing floods in the above river. The people of
North Bihar had started an agitation for
construction of a multipurpose dam on Kosi
river in 1 987 with a view to provide protection
from the floods in the Kosi river, but Kosi
Dam has not been constructed so far. There-
fore, I urge upon the Central Government
that a multi-purpose dam should be con-
structed on Kosi river in Bihar in consultation
with Nepal Government at the.earliest.

(ill) Need to set up Industries based
on Telecommunication net
work in Bihar

SHRI MANJAY LAL (Samastipur): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir, Bihar is a backward
state of our country. During the last 43 years,
there has been little development in Bihar in
comparison to other States. In regard to
telecommunication industries it is very back-
ward. The outlay in the Seventh Five Year
Plan was Rs. 9,000 crores. There is a provi-
sion of Rs. 19,000 crores in the Eighth Five
Year Plan. The Department of Telecom-
munications has opened its factories almost
in all the states of the country. Uttar Pradesh,
West Bengal and Delhi are very much for-
ward in this industry. But Bihar and Orissa
are deprived of such industries so far. Keep-
ing in view the backwardness and unem-
ployment in Bihar and Orissa a provision
should be made in the Eight Five Year Plan
for setting up of telecommunication indus-
tries there. Many training centres and col-
leges connected with this industry particu-
larly in Bihar are running there.

Therefore, the Planning Commission is
requested that provision may be made for
setting up telecommunication industries in
Bihar.

[English]
(lv)

Need to electrify Railway Hnt
between Ranaghat-Bangaon
section

[English]

DR. ASIM BALA (Nabadwip): Sir, Ran-
aghat-Bangaon section covers 33 Km. of
distance. Rail service is the only means of
communication on this section. Out-dated
diesel locomotives run in this section with
disruptive rail services. As a result, thou-
sands of passengers suffer regularly and
can not go to their respective destinations in
time. Railway authority adopts the practice
of using damaged and unsuitable rakes
keeping the passengers in danger. More-
over, there is neither a shed nor an over-
bridge in this section and in some stations
there is no platform even.

To remove the sufferings of the people
electrification of this section is urgently
needed. The local Railway authority (Seal-
dah) had recommended the electrification of
this line in public interest but no action has
been taken by the Railway Board so far.

I would, therefore, request the Railway
Minister to fulfil the long-standing demands
of this section at the earliest.

[ Translation]

(v) Need to provide financial as-
sistance to Bihar Government
for boring tubewells in Jaha-
nabad and Gaya districts to
cope with the drinking water
problem there

SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD SINGH
(Jahanabad): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir per-
sons and animals are dying due to Shortage
of drinking water in Bihar. The state Govern-
ment has failed to solve this problem. People
are crying for water, particularly in hundreds
of villages of Jahanabad and Gaya district.
That area is a rocky area and water is not
available even after boring. Children and

49 Matters under Rule 377 JYAISTHA 7, 1 91 2 (SAKA) Const. (S. C.) Orders 50

(Amend.) Bill As Passed by ft S.

animals are dying in Mahadev Vigata,

Daulatpur, Akbarpur, Makpa, Parsauna and

Lohgarh of Makhudpur Block, Thikrorpur

and Aahhit Kusaa of Ghorisi Block, Nadra,

Jagdiha, Surjuvigha, Vajna, Balchan Vigha,

Wrta, Satamas, Shokhavigha of Block Khi-

jar Sarai of Gaya district. I would like to make

a demand that the Central Government

should provide sufficient funds under special

scheme to the State Government and issue

instructions for boring tubewells in these

village so that water is available.

[English]
(vl)

Need for clearance of the gas
baeed projects to meet the
escalating power demands of
Madhya Pradesh

SHRI MADHAVRAO SCINDIA (Gwal-
ior): Madhya Pradesh is facing prospects of
serous power shortage in 8th Plan with
present availability being only 2115 MW
against estimated requirement of 2500 MW-
a shortage of 17%. With rapid industrialisa-
tion and ever increasing agricultural demand,
this is going to escalate even more within a
few years. It is essential to create generation
Capacity to meet the 15% annual growth in
demand. Moreover, most power sources
£>eing thermal bases, are concentrated in
^astern MP resulting in heavy transmission
tosses the northern part.

In reply to supplementaries by me in Lok
^>abha on 1 0th April, the Energy Minister has
stated, I quote from proceedings "I have
already taken up this matter with my col-
league, Shri Gurapadaswamy a.KJ he is also
very much in agreement with it. We are trying
that at least in future, whatever additional
gas is available, priority is given for setting
up power projects based on gas." Madhya
Pradesh has submitted proposals for four
gas-based projects of 450 MW each, one of
which is proposed to be located in Gwalior/
Datia district fed with gas from HBJ pipeline
passing through this region. As this is a
power project in the northern part of MP
where thermal power generation is not pos-
sible due to non-existence of coal, it is vital

that it receives early sanction especially since
these projects have already been clearly by
various central and state authorities, includ-
ing the Environment Ministry. I urge upon the
Government to immediately clear this proj-
ect for Gwalior/Datia district with utmost
urgency, to meet the escalating demand for
power in Madhya Pradesh, and especially its
Northern region.

[ Translation]

(vll) Need to set up colour photo
films unit at Majkhall In At-
mora (U.P.)

SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Long
time ago an announcement was made to set
up a colour photo films project at Majkhall of
Almora district in Uttar Pradesh. It was an-
nounced in this House also. The Ministry of
Industry had issued a letter of intent to an
organisation named Pikup of the Govern-
ment of Uttar Pradesh. This organisation
had entered into an agreement with an in-
dustralist, but unfortunately no progress has
been made to set up this industry so far.

I would like to request the Ministry of
Industry to set up this industry expeditiously
otherwise this letter of intent should be is-
sued to Hindustan Photo Film to set up it in
Majkhali.

12.26 hrs.

CONSTITUTION (SCHEDULED CASTES)
ORDERS (AMENDMENT) BILL

As Passed by Rajya Sabha— contd.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now, we shall
take up further consideration of the constitu-
tion (Scheduled Castes) Orders (Amend-
ment) Bill. Mr. Ram Vilas Paswan may con-
tinue his speech.

51 Const. (S. C.) Orders
(Amend.) Bill

[Translation]

MAY 28 ,1990

As Passed 52
by Rajya Sabha

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir I do not want to take
much time of the House. I was thinking to
conclude my speech on Friday itself but that
was not possible. Therefore, now I conclude
it in 5 minutes. It is a simple Bill which has
been brought before the Parliament. As you
know that Centenary of Baba Saheb Am-
bedkar is being celebrated this year. The
Government of India has decided to cele-
brate this year as the year of Social justice.
A Constitutional Committee has been con-
stituted under the Chairmanship of the Hon.
Prime Minister. In this year of Social Justice
we shall try to put an end to social and
economic inequalities and to bring the people
of backward class in the main stream of the
country. This Bill has been introduced to
fulfill this very purpose. Agitated with the
existing social system Baba Saheb Am-
bedkar adopted Buddhism in the year 1 956.
Lakhs of his followers also adopted Bud-
dhism. Before and after adopting Budhism
Baba Saheb Ambedkar wished that he
wanted to protect the rights of down trodden
and Harijans and he adopted it only for this
purpose and he made continuous efforts for
it.

The persons who belong to Scheduled
Castes and embrace Budhism should also
be provided the same facilities which are
available to the people of the Scheduled
castes. The Government of Maharashtra
has already provided them facilities which
are meant for Scheduled Castes but these
has not been provided by the Central Gov-
ernment till now. An Amendment Bill was
passed by the Parliament in the Year 1 956
under which those Scheduled Castes who
embrace any other religion except Hinduism
are not entitled to get facilities which are
meant for the Scheduled castes. The provi-
sion had been made to give facilities under it
for the people of Scheduled Castes who
embrace Sikh religion. Now this Bill is before
you and this provision has been made in it
that the persons of Scheduled castes, who
have adopted Buddhism should also be

provided the same facilities which are avail-
able to the Scheduled Castes. The Rajya
Sabha has passed this Bill unanimously on
the 8th May because on 9th it was Buddha
Pumima. I am very grateful to you and con-
vey my thanks to the people of all parties. I
thank the leaders and colleagues of the
Congress Party and particularly Shri Sathe
that on that day he said that as far as the
issue of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
tribes is concerned, we are unanimous and
we will protect their rights. I feel that this Bi
can be treated as non-controversial. The
hon. Members will certainly draw the atten-
tion of the Government and raised problems
of Scheduled castes and Scheduled Tribes
through this Bill. I know that our colleagues
will say that people of other religions should
also be covered under it but I would like to
request you that the government wants that
this issue should not be given political colour
and these problems should be solved cutting
across the party lines. This Bill has been
introduced here because there is unanimity
about it. As I stated earlier that this Bill has
been passed by Rajya Sabha, that is why I
wantthatthis should be passed in Lok Sabha
with unanimity within little possible time. It
will be a great achievement for us and forthis
House. If it passes with unanimity, it willbea
tribute to Baba Saheb Ambedkar in the real
sense in this centenary year.

With these words I would like to request
you to take it up for consideration.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Motion
moved:

"that the Bill further to amend the Con-
stitution (Scheduled Castes) Order,
1 950 and the Constitution (Scheduled
Castes) (Union Territories) Order, 1951
and to amend the Constitution (Jammu
and Kashmir) Scheduled Castes Order,
1 956, the Constitution (Dadra and Nagar
Haveli) Scheduled Castes Order, 1962,
the Constitution(Pondicherry) Sched-
uled Castes Order, 1 964 and the Con-
stitution (Sikkim) Scheduled Castes

Const (S. C.) Orders JYAISTHA 7, 1 91 2 (SAKA)
(Amend.) Bff

As Passed 54
by RajyaSabha

Order, 1 978, as passed by Rajya Sabha,
be taken into consideration."

SHRI K. S. RAO (Machilipatnam): Mr.
gputy Speaker, Sir, the hon. Minister was
forming the House that the Congress lead-
s also are cooperating in this Bill. There is
denial about it. I understand from several
mers that the young Minister Mr. Ram
as Paswan wants to be bold in protecting
i rights or in going to the rescue of the
fortunate harijans in this country. Initially
len the reservations were added to the
hedule, the basis for this was only their
onomic and social status. If it was only
onomic status, there were many more
o should have been included. Taking into
oount the poverty position, inferiority and
much havoc that they were subjected to
generations, with the initiative of Gandhiji
those days, basically harijans were ac-
pted and included in this Schedule. When
i go to the question of whether some other
stes are also to be included, many of them
id to harijans only. But later on, it was said
at by virtue of their taking up Christianity or
iddhism, those people were not consid-
ed as untouchable in their religion and so
ey should not be included. I do not find any
stification in it. While I commend the hon.
inister for bringing Buddhists into the pur-
ew of this Bill, I am unable to understand as
\ why he could not discuss it in the Cabinet
r he could not convince the Prime Minister
x including the Christians, who are also in
to same miserable state. When we discuss
) Parliament or when we discuss with the
niightened citizens, it may not be known;
ut as people's representatives when we
re connected with the rural areas and when
* go to the harijan voters, we are unable to
ifferentiate the harijan Christian and the
arijan Hindu, in the society. It is only now on
aper that we are discussion whether it
houkJ be Hindu Harijan or Christian Harijan
nd whether it should be accepted or not.

KUMARI UMA BHARATI ( Khajuraho):
christians do not have this kind of system
interruptions)

SHRI K. S. RAO: When we visit our own
reas, our own wards which are segregated

from the main village, It is very difficult to
identify who is Christian Harijan and who is
Hindu Harijan. in the society also, they are
called as Harijans and treated as Harijans.
There is no district Ion between Hindu harijan
and Christian Harijan. That is only on record,
when he goes for getting adm ition into school
or college that it is written, Christian or Hindu.
But when you go to a Harijan ward, all are
treated as Harijans whether they are Hindu
Harijans, Christian harijans or Buddhist-
Harijans.

What I want to convince my colleagues
and also the hon. Minister is, while appreci-
ating his initiative to bring neo-Buddhists into
the purview, I cannot understand why he
could not think terms of convincing the
Government or the House or the Prime
Minister to include Christians also who are in
the same miserable state as what the Har-
ijans are. By any change, if the hon. Minister
and my colleagues are of the opinion that
some of the Christians have achieved better
status in economy or social, then surely
there are many Harijans also who are injoy-
ing the same status. By virtue of enjoying
these privileges flowing out of reservation to
first generation or second generation, some
of them could have come out of poverty,
some of them could have become rich, could
have become self-sufficient oV well-placed in
society either in bureaucracy or employment
or social status or in respect of property. If
the House were to think that such people are
to be discontinued these privileges or to be
deleted from the Schedule, the wisdom lies,
the boldness lies in including Harijan Chris-
tians who are very poor, who are in the same
economy and social status, but to- delete
those harijans who are enjoying better status
or better property in the society. I can under-
stand the reason in it. The hon. Minister must
have the courage to say in this House and
bring an amendment in this regard.

I explain my own experience in ragged
to Harijan Christians who are living in rtiy
constituency. When I go to a Harijan ward,
irrespective of whether he is Harijan Chris-
tian or Harijan Hindu, four families will be
living in one house, in one room, a little
bigger one.

55 Const (S. C.) Orders
(Amend.) Bill

MAY 28 ,1990

As Passed 56 5 $
by RajyaSabha : &\

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will bring to
your notice that I have been given a long list
of your Party, tf you are not completing your
speech within 5 minutes, I would not be able
to give time to same other members.

SHRI K. S. RAO: Sir, the main point I
wanted to impress on the hon. Minister is....

KUMARI UMA BHARATI: Point of or-
der. Dividing the a Christians into Harijan
Christians and high-caste Christians, I think,
the hon. Member has to ask the permission
of John Pope Paul. He does not divide Chris-
tians into Harijan Christians and Savarn
Christians. According to the Christian relig-
ion, there is no Harijan or no Savarn. all are
equal. What the hon. Member is telling is
against the Christian religion. He is insulting
the Christian religion. {Interruptions)

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: Are the
Members expected to look across the border
and take instructions? (Interruptions)

KUMARI UMA BHARATI: Do you deny
the existence of the Bible? (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No point of
order, Please. No cross-talking.

SHRI K. S. RAO: We are boasting our-
selves with pride. Everyone of us says that
our country is a secular country. When it was
to be a secular country, is it a crime for any
Harijan to take the Christianity in this coun-
try? By virtue of taking to the Christianity,
should he be deprived of the privileges that
were given to him earlier when he was Hindu
or Buddhist? On what basis, the Hon. Minis-
ter has come to this House to include neo-
Buddhists into the reserved list? On the
same principle, a mere change of faith or
religion, should not be a reason for prevent-
ing or for declining the privileges that are
given to a poor man or a poor Harijan to
enjoy a good status that he was entitled to
earlier. If that principle were to be accepted
for passing this Bill, the same principle must
also include Harijan Christians in this. I do
not want the hon. Minister to make a mock-
ery of our policy of secularism by discriminat-

ing between Harijan Christians and Harijan . :3B
Budhists or Harijan Hindus. I want this to be ^
taken into account and I request the Hon. 1...
Minister to include Harijan Christians and \
Harijan Muslims into this category and to see ^
that they are not discriminated by only chang- *'
ing the faith. ^

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Prof. Ram .J
Ganesh Kapse, your Party has 1 8 minutes. .
I have three names before me. 18 minutes
for three Members. Six minutes each.

PROF. RAM GANESH KAPSE (Thane): * :i
Am I allowed to speak for 1 8 minutes?

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: 18 minutes ";
for three Members of your Party.

SHRI K. S. RAO: From our side, we
have obliged your timings.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I do not know
whether all other Members would do that. I
cannot quarrel with you all the time!

[Translation]

PROF. RAM GANESH KAPSE (Thane):
I welcome the Constitution (Scheduled
Castes) Orders (Amendment) Bill, 1990
moved in the House by the hon. Minister in
this birth centenary year of Dr. Baba Saheb
Ambedkar and the 1 00th death anniversary
of Mahatma Phule. It is true that it is a belated
step as it should have been done long back
in 1 956 itself. But it was deliberately shelved
by the Congress leaders at that time and
today we are trying to do it. It's better late
than never, so I welcome the Bill. I would like
to tell the House what was done by the
Congress leaders in 1956. On the 14th
October, 1 956. i.e. on the Vijayadashmi day,
Dr. Baba Saheb Ambedkar along with his
five lakhs harijan followers adopted Bud-
dhism at Nagpur. But some days prior to it on
the 25th Sptember, 1956, orders to this
effect were issued by the government that
the benefits of reservation, etc. would not be
extended to Neo-Baudh Harijans. Is it the
kind of justice done to Neo-Baudhs by the
Congress regime? Does the Congress Party

Const. (S. C.) Orders JYAISTHA 7, 1 91 2 (SAKA)
(Amend.) Bill

As Passed 58
by RajyaSabha

nt to do this type of justice? Does the
ngress Party want to do this type of jus-
»? Today, the congress people are saying
it the justice should have done to them
ig ago. Who is responsible for the delay in
r ing justice to them? It is none but the
ingress Party alone which is responsible
it, for which they should beg pardon of the
>use. We are rectifying their mistakes.
>ey should thank us for this. Half of the total
ipulation of the dalits in Maharashtra
lopted Budhism without any pressure what
i ever or allurement. It was a spontaneous
sponse of the people. There has never
»en and will never be an instance of the
nd in the history of conversion in the world
i which such a large number of people
light have adopted another religion so
eacef ufliy and without any allurement. There
; some justification for denying the benefits
) the people who converted to Christianity
md islam because their conversion was not
eaceful.

English]

AN HON. MEMBER: That is not a point.

PROF. RAM GANESH KAPSE: That is
i point which I want to stress.

Translation]

What benefit did the dalits get frorp that
oonvensbn? All the dalits contained p re-
ceive benefits, whereas Neo-Bandhs were
deprived of all those benefits meant for
downtrodden. Not to talk of any benefits to
be accrued therefrom, five out of eight seats
of the LokSabha reserved for the Scheduled
Castes were dereserved in Maharashtra
abne. In the Legislative Assembly, they lost
many more seats reserved for them. But
they were the brave people who opted for
this conversion at the cost of losing political
*>wer. They are not hanker after power. But
his is not the case with the people who
adopted Islam and Christianity as that con-
versions had taken place either under pres-
sure or for pecuniary benefits. Of course,
they might have taken this recourse in pro-
test against the evil of untouchability prac-

• i

tised in Hindu religion. Today, we will wel-
come them back in the Hindu fold as it is a
fact that conversions took place out of greed
for money or under compulsion. But Neo-
Baudhs were denied benefits to discourage
the followers of Dr. Ambedkar to adopt
Buddhism. They suffered for it. Today, with
the support of the BJP and the leftist parties,
these benefits are being extended to them
again by the Janta Dal Government. Long
ago, a committee was formed under the
Chairmanship of Sardar Ballave Bhai Patei^
to identify the beneficiaries of reservation in
the Hindu religion. In this regard, some yard
sticks were fixed. Sikhs, Jainis and Budhists
were all treated as Hindus. No change has
been made in this theory. Muslims cannot be
pleaced on the same footing as they are
governed by a separate personal law. That is
why some people are demanding uniform
civil code in the country. So it is very difficult
to decide at this stage as to whether the
forefathers of people who adopted Islam
thousand years ago were downtrodden or
not. Our friends of the Congress Party are
not prepared to tell this hard fact as they are
more concerned for their votes. They are not
concerned about giving them justice. But
adoption of Budhism by Dr. Ambedkar and
his followers stands on a separate footing.
He made it clear that he would not accept
Islam in which crores of people were ab-
ducted by the Nizams of Hyderabad Nor did
he adopt Christianity as it was not the relig-
ion of the land, he said. Buddhism is a
religbn of this land and unlike Islam its
religious practices are in conformity with the
religious practices of the religbn of the land.
That is why he adopted this religbn of the
land. You should think of this also. Just now,
they have been talking about the people who
are economically bakward. What do they
what? They do not want to do justice. Har-
ijans have been subjected to social injustice
of immense degree. They do not believe in
redeeming that injustice. I do agree that
untouchability has been an evil of Hindu
religbn. We want to build an equalitarian
society in the country. We will welcome them
if they lend their co-operation in our bid to do
so. In the end, I would like to submit this
much only that Dr. Ambedkar adopted this

59 Const. (S. C.) Orders
(Amend.) Bill

[Prof. Ram Ganesh Kapse]

MAY 28 ,1990

As Passed
by Rajya Sabha

religion in protest againstthe evil of untouch-
ability in Hindu religion. He had said that
although he had born in a Hindu family but he
would not prefer to die as Hindu. His portrait
should have been displayed in the Central
Hall long ago but it was done by the Janta Dal
Government. Before this, the Congress
Government did not visualise this idea. Nor
did theythinkhim worthy of conferring 'Bharat
Ratna'. Today, they are raising the issue of
justice for them. Whatever you are saying is

all * * History is witness to it.

So, whether the Congress Party supports or
not, they should know that we are going to do
this work.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Word will not
go in the records.

(Interruptions)

[English]

SHRI K. S. RAO: You will support this
Bill only because....

(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Rao, why
do you carry on like this? I think all the
Members of the House agree to the provi-
sion of this Bill. Hence, it is not, I think,
necessary to make long speeches. There
are other subjects to discuss. I hope the
Members will coperate. Now, Shri Chand
Ram.

(Interruptions)

PROF. P. J. KURIEN (Mavelikara): Let
us stick to the time.

(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You may
please ask your Members to do that.

[Translation]

SHRI KALKA DAS (Karolbagh):
Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is a matter of c
concern . A comprehensive discussion si
be held on it. It is being drifted to the *
direction.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: If you
some point different from what have air
been made, you may make it.

SHRI KALKA DAS: My name has
recommended to speak on this subjec

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will
you.

SHRI CHAND RAM (Hardoi): Mr.
uty Speaker, Sir, I would like to congrat
the hon. Minister for accepting a long s
ing demand and bringing this Constit
Amendment Bill. I understand that it is ;
on our society and particularly on the \
community that even after so many ye<
independence, atrocities are still I
committed on the people belonging to I
ward classes. In 1 932, the Poona Pac
signed between Dr. Ambedkar and the
Hindu leaders. Under the pact, it wa
sured by the Coste Hindu leaders that)
a span of 1 years, all the scheduled c
people would be brought into the mainsl
of the society. But it is regretted that the
has! not been done till now. In 193(
Ambedkar, wrote a book named " A Nat
Castes". The Member who spoke prior
said that one Dr. Ambedkar had state
it was not in his hand to be born in a I
scheduled caste family, but it was with
capacity to fight against discrimination
staying in the Hindu religion. He wait<
full twenty years after that. This speed
made by him in the meeting of 'Sath
Todak Mandal' held at Lohore. It was d
by Sant Ram who passed away rec
Bhai Parmenand was the leader of I
Mahasabha then and he was also invi
the meeting, but later his invitation
cancelled. (Interruptions)

"Expunged as ordered by the chair.

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<R DEPUTY SPEAKER: Wedont have
dt long speeches. Please come to the

-IRI CHAND RAM: I would like to say
is much that I would not say anything
tssary or unimportant, but I would like
*ss my regrets over the fact that caste
ie loggedly follows a person belong-
ie Scheduled Caste, even if he gets
ed into some other religion including
mity. Consideration of Caste and
nity or that of high or low has no place
»ligion, but even in Islam, people are
nated against on the basis of caste,
iindu weaver converts into Islam, he
J a 'PansarP, and if a person belong-
ly other caste becomes a Muslim, he
I a ' Voman' and if a person belonging
rther community converts into Islam,
ailed a 'Kabir Sikh'. The very soil of
such that it divides people on caste
mmunal lines. Dr. Ambedkar, the
r of our Constitution, had in 1936,
or the abolition of caste system. He
the enactment of Hindu Code Amend-
ill and somehow abolish the caste
. Now, with the introduction of this Bill
I for the Neo-Buddhists, the provision
ose facilities, as are enjoyed by the
iled Castes, can I expect of this Par-
of India to go ahead with the abolition
e system. Can I expect from the
of India the establishment of a cas-
ind egalitarian society? Earlier, in our
es outside the House, we used to
. too much the extension of reserva-
> the neo-buddhists. I am glad that
as been turned into a reality. Further,
las already stated, Sarder Patel had
ised four groups in the Sikh commu-
Scheduled Castes, but I would like to
i here that there were no scheduled
among the Sikhs and caste system
n existent in that community. In fact,
anak Dev had vehemently opposed
ictice of untouchability and he had
at there would be no untouchability
the Sikhs but it is a matter of great
hat over the years, four sikh commu-
viz: Kabirpanthis, Ramdasias,
as and Sikligars have come to be

recognised as scheduled caste sikhs. Now
that the Neo-Buddhists too are being pro-
vided with the same facilities as are enjoyed
by the scheduled castes. No doubt provision
of reservation has been extended for an-
other ten years but I wonder whether there
will ever be a time, when this caste system
would be completely abolished and thrown
out lock, stock and barrel? To achieve that
end, once, I had written a letter to Pandit
Nehru suggesting him to introduce the sys-
tem of inter-caste, inter-state and inter-relig-
ions marriages and to provide jobs to all such
couples. In that letter, I had also asked him
to abolish the use of surnames like Dwivedi,
Trivedi, Chaturvedi, Pandit, Thakur etc, with
the name of a particular individual but unfor-
tunately, Panditji did not agree to it saying
that it would deprive the individual of his
identity and as regards the inter caste mar-
riage, that was one's own choice. Regarding
inter-caste, inter-religion, or inter-state mar-
riage, he said that it was a matter of one?
own choice and moreover in our country,
most of the marriages take place with the
consent of parents and they are also ar-
ranged by them . Marriages outside the caste
or community are resented and they lead to
the problem of disorder and disharmoney in
the society. On several occasions I have
tried to get incorporated a provision in the
law under which a separate Ministry may be
established to look after the welfare of the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
and programmes for the upliftment of these
people are undertaken in such a mannerthat
they themselves should come forward to say
that they did not stand in need of reserva-
tions any more. I sincerely hope that such a
step would be taken. Now, as it is in the case
of Sikh and Hindu Scheduled Castes, who
have been contesting elections from reserved
constituencies, the Buddhists too are going
to demand separateconstituenciesforthem.
Maharashtra has seven reserved constitu-
encies. Now supposing that out of them, two
are reserved for the Scheduled Castes, the
Buddhists are going to demand more re-
served Constituencies, saying that at the
time of delimitation of these constituencies,
they were not included in the list of Sched-
uled Castes and also because their popula-

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[Sh. Chand Ram]

tion has increased over the years. In such a
situation, perhaps you may have no other
option, but to yield to their demand, but what
if, other communities, including Christians
too start raising similar demands? There-
fore, I feel that we should find out a solution
to this problem. Our countrymen should give
a serious thought to this issue.

12.59 hrs.

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO (Mor-
mugao): Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Well, we have heard all these speeches. I
would like to say that since almost 1977, I
have been urging the successive Govern-
ments to include Buddhists and people of
other religions into the ambit of these provi-
sions. So, I am happy to the extent that neo-
Buddhists are given these benefits. But I
oppose this Bill because it further alienates
and further marginalises the Muslims and
Christians onwards. And it is going to create
a lot of problems. It is adding to the problems.
I would like to say here that lot of problems
would be solved and also my fascist friends,
who are around here, would not have a
ground if we had admitted....

PROF. RAM GENESH KAPSE: Sir, we
are not fascists. {Interruptions)

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: Why did
he arise? I have not mentioned.

PROF. RAM GANESH KAPSE: We are
not fascists. Who are fascists hers? con-
gressmen are fascists.

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: I will sup-
port you. I do not know how far it is taken. But
it is my conviction. If you all agree that all
people of India are fundamentally Hindus, in
a fundamental sense, that is my conviction
and what I believe in.

13.00 hrs.

As far as philosophy and ethos are
concerned, whatever may be our names or

languages, this is my view in this re<
{Interruptions) ...It is not necessary c
welcoming it. It is not for you that I am \
this. It is as much your concern which i
of mine also. We are all sharing goc
had things basically. I am surprised I
our country we do not accept such 1
mental truths and a bt of problems co
solved if we realise this fact. Now, we <
on that point. What we are talking at
that this discriminates unreasonably an
to the tensions and conflicts as far as
lims and Christians are concerned. T
limited. Instead of using my own wor
me use some other words, which even
in this House will accept. There is ;
eminent person who stated thus:

"Conversion from one faith to a
did not change the socio-eco
status of a person. It was, thei
desirable that converts from Schi
Castes to Buddhism, Christ ianit
should be treated as Scheduled C;

This eminent person in Prof. I
Dandavate, the Finance Minister. H
that Christians must be treated as £
uled Castes. He said this in a Report s
ted by a Commission set up by his G
ment and its allied parties, namely, the t
Commission Report.

SHRI KALKA DAS (Karol Bagh):
personal view.

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: I wil
to his impersonal view also in a secc
said this in Paragraph 1 0.36. Now, let
what is the view of the Mandal Corrm
which is not personal.

Paragraph 12.11 says:

"There is no doubt that social ar
cational backwardness among
Hindu communities is more or
the same order as among Hindi
munities. Though caste system h
liar to Hindu society, yet in actus
tice, it also pervades the non
communities in India in varying d<

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are two main reasons for this
nenon: first, caste system is a
jnditioner of the mind and leaves
riible mark on a person's social
>usness and cultural mores,
juently, even after conversion,
•Hindus carried with them their
ingrained ideas of social hierar-
d stratification. This resulted in
idu converts inadvertently acting
an horses of caste system among
equalitarian religions such as
Christianity, Sikhism, etc. Sec-
non-Hindu minorities living in
linantly Hindu India could not
i from its dominant social and
I influences. Thus, both from
ind without, caste amongst non-
communities received continu-
stenance and stimulus."

\ is what the Mandal Commission
adhu Dandavate has said. Now,
ir in by Dr. Ambedkar. This is
> commemorate his birth centen-
uoting from the Speeches and
Dr. Ambedkar, Volume V, Chap-
Jitions of converts published by
it if Maharashtra. Dr. Ambedkar

Christianity been able to save the
t from the sufferings and the
ny which is the misfortune of
ne who is born an untouchable?
i untouchable after his conver-
i Christianity take water from a
tfell? Are his children admitted to
c school? Can he enter a hotel or
which was not open to him? Can
er a shop and buy things from
} Will a barber shave him? Will a
rman wash his clothes? Can he
in a bus? will he be admitted in
Offices without compunction ? Will
wed to live in the touchable
rs of the village? Will the Hindus
aterfrom him? Will they dine with
ill not the Hindu take a bath if he
s him? I am sure the answer to
me of these questions must be in
gative. In other words, conver-

sion has not brought about any change
in the social status of the untouchable
convert. To the general mass of the
Hindus, the untouchable remains an
untouchable even though he becomes
a Christian."

This is what Dr. Ambedkar has said on
this issue. The point is that I have come here
with an amendment and all what I am saying
is supported by everyone who has studied
this point. The Kumara Pillai Commission,
the Elayaperumal Commission, the Sa-
tanathan Commission and the Chidamba-
ram Report agree on this point. Whoever has
studied this point will agree to this point. This
gives benefit in terms of employment. There-
fore, I have brought an amendment here to
include Muslims and Christians on this Bill.
Regarding employment, I must mention that
I am not for any particular community like
Christians or Muslims. I am always for justice
and I will always be so as far as Parliament
is concerned and that is what is expected
from everyone of us.

As far as the population of minority
communities in India is concerned, accord-
ing to the 1 981 census, the religious minority
communities constitute about 1 6.46 percent
of the population of India excluding Assam
and the breakup is: Muslims- 1 1 .35 per cent;
Christians-2.43 per cent; Sikhs- 1.96 per
cent; Budhhists- 0.71 percent, Zoroastrians
(Parsees) • 0.01 per cent. Now, look at this in
terms of employment; particularly, the posi-
tion of Muslims is very bad.

Let me mention the last Defence Serv-
ices Examination results this year. The total
number of successful candidates is 272 and
out of that there are 2 Muslims, that means
0.74 per cent when the population is 1 1 per
cent; Christians 3, 1.1 percent; and Sikhs 31,
that means 11.4 per cent. Forget about
Defence Services. Let us take IAS and allied
Services results declared this year. There
are 1 7 Muslims out of 835 declared success-
ful candidates, though they have a popula-
tion of 1 1 per cent and it is just two per cent.

I do not want to take much time; I would

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[Sh. Eduardo Faleiro]

just quote from what a very eminent colum-
nist Shri Prem Shankar Jha says in today's
times of India under the caption: Roots of
Kashmir's Alienation. We are now trying to
find out the roots of Muslim alienation there.
In the column, he says:

"In Kashmir militancy is not born out to
poverty or economic deprivation, but of
the despair of a small, select group of
young people, who form a new but dis-
inherited middle class."

Then in terms of employment. What he
says is that it is lack of employment opportu-
nities. He says:

"Eyery one cannot become an entrepre-
neur, much less a successful one. Thus
there has also come into being growing
class of job seekers that is looking
specifically for salaried employment."

He continues further:

"Particularly galling to the young edu-
cated Muslims is the fact that the offices
of the bank and the private sector
companies in Kashmir are also staffed
overwhelmingly with people from out'
side Kashmir, and Kashmiri pandits.
Kashmiri Muslims have obtained jobs,
but these are concentrated at the lower
end of the scale. Accusations of Indian
colonialism are rooted squarely in this
employment pattern."

The basic problem is employment.
Please do justice. It is a problem for every
Indian; I know that. There is lack of employ-
ment opportunities for everybody; we must
understand it. But there is particular lack of
employment opportunities for minority com-
munities, particularly certain minority com-
munities.

When I was in the banking, I was very
happy to see that we were able to do some-
thing. I had not done anything, my officers
did that. This was because I took the Chair-

man of the Minority Commission to K
and we had a meeting. I must say that
across all communities, the people c
are against discrimination, this is beci
of us have suffered discrimination our
In the clonial rule, none of us, whethei
tians, Hindus or any other communH
offered opportunities at par with the a
ists. We were also under the boot
colonialists. We are against dtscrim
against anybody.

In view of this, this Bill is good ir
but it is going to create more problen
it would solve. This is because th
discrimination of as far as the Muslir
Hindus are concerned. There is unn
able discrimination, h hope, the Su
Court Strikes it down under Article
other provisions, because it is unr*
able.

With these words, I urge the G
ment and I demand that justice be do
not be populist, do not try to get vote
here and there. Do justice, work o
ciples, which you are not doing. I will,
fore, abstain on this Bill. I say, neo-Bu<
must be given, but unless you give
Muslims and Christians, I will absta
less, of course, Government accei
amend, which, if they are fair, they wil
bring their own amendment.

AN. HON. MEMBER: That meai
support is conditional

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: N
port is not conditional. I am abstainin
not supporting this Bill, I will abstain
they include Muslims and Christians
par.

[Translation]

SHRI KALKA DAS (Karol Bag
Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to extc
whole-hearted support to the Cons
(Scheduled Castes) Order (Amendmi
1 990 and alongwith it I would like to i
my gratitude to Shri Ram Vilas Pasw
the core of my heart, for his untiling

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ch has resulted in the introduction ol this
, which should have been brought for-
rd long back.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the facilities
ng provided to the Scheduled Castes are
act, a compensation for the humiliation
f had suffered as untouchables for hun-
ds of years in the Hindu Society and the
itades that had blocked the way of their
eiopment over the centuries. Like a
icon light, Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar
wed them a way to come out of that
cness. In 1935, he declared that it was
within his powers to take birth as a Hindu,
it was certainly within his control not to
as a Hindu. That is why, In 1956, he
lgwith his five lakh followers crossed to
bid of Buddhism at the Deekshant Ground
lagpur. It is a historical fact, that hitherto
there in the world such a mass conver-
i had taken place in a single day and that

in such a peaceful manner and this
oric step was taken by nonelse but by Dr.
tasaheb Ambedkar. Secondly, even in
past the people had turned to the fold of
m or Christianity but those who became
slims or Christians were converted to the
]ion either at the gun point or far certain
terial temptations from the Government
I they were given the promised comforts
all those persons of Scheduled Castes
3 stayed back to the fold of Hinduism,
itinued to remain an oppressed and ex-
led lot.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, just now my
nd was saying that the story of even those
iverted to Islam or Christianity is in no way
erentfrom others. But here, I would like to
i whether any untouchability is practised
he churches, where Christians assemble
prayers and sermons? I would like to
>w from my muslim brethren whether
ouchability is practised in Mosques and
gahs.

mslation]
glish]
SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: I would

just like to clarify, Sir. Every Christian, either
here in this House or else-where, has got
some or the other caste. Caste is still preva-
lent and it is an unfortunate fact.

[Translation]

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what I want I
want to say is that these facilities are being
provided to the Scheduled Castes as a
compensation for the possession, that was
unleashed on them over the centuries. What
is disappointing is that those who are de-
manding the same facilities and privileges,
as are being enjoyed by the Scheduled
Castes within the Hindu fold, for Muslims
and Christians, have all long been working
against the interests of the Scheduled Castes
and now they want to get all these facilities
diverted towards this section of people. I
believe that if these facilities are extended to
those who are convent-educated, well-or-
ganised and have all along been enjoying
the benefits of conversion, it would harm the
interests of the Scheduled Castes and the
neo-Buddhists, who have though made a lot
of sacrifices are presently not getting the
benefits of these facilities. I would be preju-
dicial to the interests of the Scheduled Castes.
I would like to submit that those who have got
converted into Buddhism have not gained
anything, despite their immense sacrifices.
Though the sufferings that they had to un-
dergo as Scheduled Castes have slightly
mitigated after conversion, they have been
deprived of the facilities that they were en-
joying earlier. Unlike those, who got con-
verted into other religions, the neo-Buddhists
were not provided with any incentives in-
cluding one in respect of the admission of
their wards into convent schools, to pave the
way of their upliftment. From that I under-
stand that the main reason and prime objec-
tive of this Bill is to provide facilities to the
neo-Buddhists, who still continue with these
age old political, social and economic condi-
tions and all those who are not provided with
any incentives despite their conversion,
should be given these facilities. That is the
purpose of this Bill and those who are de-
manding the extension of these facilities to
Christian and Muslim converts are in fact

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MAY 28 ,1990

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harming the interest of the scheduled castes
and they are doing injustice to them because
if these facilities are extended to them, I fear
that the educated christians and muslims,
who were brought up in an egalitarian at-
mosphere would corner all the benefits and
the scheduled castes andthe Neo-Buddhists
would continue with their miserable lot.
Naturally, it would be prejudicial to their
larger interests.

I would like to submit that even now the
Scheduled Caste Hindus are being ill-treated.
They do not have any respect in the society.
Buddhism is an inseparable part of Hindu-
ism. Gautama Buddha was also a Hindu
prince. He wiped away the dirt of evil prac-
tices and customs, superstitions and con-
servative and obscurantist dogmas from the
augean stables of Hinduism and established
a refined and reformed Hinduism. I believe
that it is one of the religions of this country. At
the time of his conversion into Buddhism,
Babasaheb Ambedkar explained the rea-
sons for his turning to the fold of Buddhism.
In his lectures and books he has broadly
enunciated the reasons for his conversion to
Buddhism alone and not to any other religion
because Buddhism was an Indian religion.
Christians and Muslims asked him to come
to the fold of their religions. The Nizam of
Hyderabad even went to the extent of offer-
ing him rupees 8 crore for the upliftment of
his community provided he turned to the fold
of Islam but he rejected the offer saying that
it was not a question of money, but that of the
country. It was a question of nationalism. He
said that he would adopt only that religion
which had sprung up from the soil of this
country. The feelings and sentiments of Dr.
Ambedkar would be realised only when these
facilities are extended to the neo-Buddhists.
Had he not understood the importance of
Buddhism, its Indian identity and its insepa-
rable links with Hinduism, he could have
embraced Islam or Christianity, but he did
not turn to any foreign religion. He got con-
verted into Buddhism because it had its roots
in the soil of this country which was also the
cradle of Buddhism.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I believe
this Bill introduced by the Government fe
most appropriate one and all the facil
enjoyed by the Scheduled castes shoul
made available to the Neo-Buddhists <
This bill is in complete conformity with
vision and aspirations of Babasaheb
bedkar. It would be improper to make
amendment. It will be an injustice tow;
this section.

Some hon. Members have given
suggestions in this regard. But I would HI
quote these lines about their action.

*Woh Qatl bhi karate hain to char
nahin hota

Ham aah bhli bharate hain to he
hain Badnam*.

Thus though they have commitn
grave crime by misguiding a sectioi
masses, but they donot confess it and
trying for amendments in this bill so that
may malign us and the Government.

Mr, Deputy Speaker, Sir, I heartily
port this bill on behalf of my party and nrr
and oppose the move of Congress to di
it through amendments. They would ha'
reply for it to tbe people. Now these pen
are bent upon harming that very sec
which has been voting them to power. 1
would be held answerable for it. I wouk
to emphasise it once again that this
should not be tampered, at all or it woul
a great blow to the interest of Neo Buddl
and scheduled caste people.

With these words I support the bill

KUMARI MAYAWATI (Bijnor):
Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to
some suggestions regarding Constitu
(Scheduled Castes) Order (Amendm*

Bill.

It is well known and as has been st
by several earlier speakers that Baba Si
Dr. Ambedkar had declared that thoug
was born as a Hindu he would not die

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Hindu. After having so declared he might
have charged his religion at that very time.
But he thought that he must study all the
religions before embracing any one of these
because he feft that he must lead his follow-
ers in a right path direction. Therefore, he
began to study all religions During that friend
he was allured by many religions preaches.
But Dr. Baba Saheb Ambedkar was not
swayed away by them. And lastly on 14th
Oct 1956 he embraced Buddhist religion
with lakhs of his followers. He did so as he
felt that this was India's indigenous religion
and not a foreign one. I would like to point out
one more thing in this connection. Just now,
brother Kalkadas ji has said that Buddhism is
a part of Hinduism. I oppose it. It is not so.
Perhaps, he has not gothrough the Buddhist
religion deeply. Had It been so, Baba Saheb
Ambedkar would not have been forced to
charge religion. I have a suggestion regard-
ing the Bill. This bill mentions all those who
embraced Buddhism on 14th Oct as the
Neo-Buddhists. I would like to say that by
virtue of its excellence Buddhism has spread
in foreign countries also. Therefore presid-
ing Neo to these Buddhists may create
confusion and the foreigners may ask about
their identity. They would be told that these
neo Buddhists are the suppressed and down
trodden people of Scheduled Castes, and it
may give rise to casteism as racism is al-
ready on rise all over the world. It will
strengthen the precepts and the concepts of
maner. Therefore as per may suggestion the
prefix Neo should be scrapped as only
'Buddhist* is sufficient.

Secondly, many earlier speakers have
said that the National Front Government has
done that work which should have been
done by the Congress much earlier. Though,
I support National Front Government, I do
not agree with the opinion that you have
done what was not done by the Congress.
You should not think that the down trodden
and suppressed people would be swayed
away by your such words. I dont think so. I
*ould like to fell the National Front Govern-
me nt that, I and my party welcome and
Su Pport their decision. But you have given
'^se concession as you felt helpless before

rising power of the people of scheduled
caste and suppressed and down troddensec-
tions on a largescale. The upholders of
Hinduism are today worried at the fact that
these people may become Muslims or Chris-
tians if they are still tortured and denied their
rights you are speak all this in a bid to save
Hinduism as the people of scheduled castes
have risen up on a large scale and organised
all the down trodden and suppressed people
as a third force in the name of Bahujan
Samaj all over the country.

These are the points which I wanted to
place before you and hope that you would
surety consider my suggestions.

With these words I conclude my speech
while supporting the Bill.

[English]

SHRIG. M. BANATWALLA(PONNANI):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Bill expounds a
very sound principle namely, that mere
conversion of a person from one religion to
another does not overnight change his so-
cial, educational and economic position and
status. The Statement of Aims and Objects
also concedes the fact that such conver-
sions have failed to alter the social, educa-
tional etc. status of the converts. As such,
the Bill seeks to extend the reservations and
concessions enjoyed by the Scheduled Caste
Hindus and Sikhs also to the Buddhist Sched-
uled Caste converts. So, the Bill, as I said, is
based on very sound principles.

I must point out, with respect to the
soundness of the principle, that it is unfortu-
nate that the hon. Minister has stopped in his
track, and has failed to do justice to all the
sections of the people affected in the same
manner. The Bill, therefore I must say, is a
reluctant and half-hearted measure. We all
wish that the hon. Minister had not stopped
short in his own track, but would have done
justice and would have been true to the
principle expounded by him in the Aims and
Objects of the Bill.

I must draw the attention of the hon.

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Minister and this House to what Gandhiji had
said. Gandhiji wrote in 'Harijan' dated
26.12.1936:

"Whether the Harijan is nominally a
Christian, Muslim or Hindu and now
Sikh, he is still a Harijan. He cannot
change his spots inherited from Hindu-
ism so called. He may change his garb
and call himself a Catholic Harijan, or a
Muslim Harijan or Neo-Muslim or Neo~
Sikh, but his untouchabiHty will haunt
him during his life-time."

We, therefore, find that it is a fact that
mere change of faith does not overnight
bring about an alteration in the status of the
person-social, educational or economic
status. Therefore, there is every logic in
asking the Government to see that these
facilities or reservations or other conces-
sions are given to all the Scheduled Castes
irrespective of the religion to which they get
converted. A forceful plea has been made
that Scheduled Caste converts to Christian-
ity, and Scheduled Caste converts to Islam
should also have the same benefit. I have
also come before the House with an appro-
priate amendment, and make a fervent plea
that Scheduled Caste converts both to Chris-
tianity and Islam should be included within
the purview of the Bill, looking at the injustice
that is there today.

There is an interesting book by Prof.
Kande Prasad Rao, under the title 'Freedom
of Religion for Harijans in India*. He hasdone
a lot of work. He says at page 8:

"As per the law in force, the status of a
Harijan varies with the religion he pro-
fesses. A Harijan is at the maximum
advantage if he professes the Hindu or
the Sikh religion; at a lesser advantage
if he professes the Buddhist religion; at
a lesser advantage if he professes the
Buddhist religion, and no advantage if
he professes the Christian religion."

This also holds true to a Muslim. ! have,

therefore, made a strong plea that both the
Scheduled Caste converts into Christianity
and Islam must be brought within the pur-
view of the Bill, and they should also be
entitled to the reservations and facilities
available for the Scheduled Castes. I may
point out here that the law accepts Muslims
among the Scheduled Tribes. There can be
a Muslim and there are Muslims among the
STs. The Supreme Court has also recog-
nised this particular law. There are several
judgments to this fact. Time is short. There-
fore I am not quoting from them.

SHRI KALKA DAS: If he becomes a
Muslim, will they treat him as untouchable?

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: It is an
interruption and I have yielded to the hon.
Member. Let the hon. member be on record
and I shall meet the point that he has raised
in the hope that sooner counsel will prevail
upon him, though I know that this hope is
going to be belied. There is no doubt about
the fact that Islam does not recognise any
caste. A Christian will speak for his religion.
I will take his words. As I understand, the
Christianity also does not accept of recog-
nise caste. The question is not whether
these religions like Islam or Christianity or
Buddhism or Sikhism, accept caste or not;
that is not a question. The fact remains that
SCconverts to these religions continue to be
under the wrath of those who profess un-
touchability. Those who profess untouch-
abiHty, they continue to oppress and sup-
press and ill-treat the SCs irrespective of his
being converted to some other religion. The
life is made intolerable despite conversion.

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO (Mor-

mugao): He is an oppressor of all religions.

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: The origi-
nal SC man, despite his conversion, contin-
ues to be under the suppression and oppres-
sion of those who practise untouchabiHty.
They make his life difficult. He goes to draw
water from a well. He may be a Muslim, but,
originally, he was a SC. Those who practise
untouchability, they oppress and suppress
him. That is a fact of life which has to be

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understood. We here must not dose our
eyes; we have to see that social justice is
done to every section of our society.

I have also to say that the hon. Minister,
while extending the reservation and other
facilities of SC to Christians, to Buddhists, to
Muslims and so on, must also correct the
various other anomalies from which the SC
people suffer today. Time does not permit
me to speak more. I have already referred to
a book written by the hon. Professor. I have
quoted him here. There are several ex-
amples. For example, take the question of
children, the children of a Harijan woman
who marries a higher caste Hindu Now
despite a fact that a SC woman marries a
higher caste Hindu and despite a fact that
she goes in a higher caste Hindu environ-
ment, she continues to be treated as SC
member, and rightly so. But then the ques-
tion of her children comes up.

Executive orders make very arbitrary
discriminations, that if the children of such a
woman are accepted in the higher society,
they may not be treated as Scheduled Castes
but if any child is not so accepted, he will be
considered as a Scheduled Caste. Now, all
these are very arbitrary discriminations and
they discriminate between one child of the
parents from another child of the same par-
ents. Such discriminations must also some
to an end.

Before I conclude, I must say, that there
are many people, a large number, especially
the Scheduled Castes themselves who do
not like to be called 'Harijans'. They take the
Word 'Harijan' as very derogatory. We must
respect their sentiments and the word 'Har-
ijan' should, therefore, be avoided and we
must always use the word 'Scheduled Caste*
lorthem.

I must point out that sometime back,
Perhaps in 1 967 or 1 968, the Government of
'ndia itself through various orders instructed
the departments not to use the word 'Har-
ijan'. Let that be followed.

[Translation]

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: It is not so
word 'Harijan* is unparliamentary and the
correct words are 'Scheduled Caste or
Scheduled Tribes'.

[English]

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: I thank the
hon. Minister very much. But despite the
fact, the word 'Harijan' continues to be used.

So, my point is that even in Parliament
the use of this word in the record must be
banned and the proper word, "Scheduled
Caste" should be used. I may refer to you a
decision of the Press Council of India that
was reported in the pubiication,"77)e Press
Council of India: RevieW dated October,
1 989 at page 1 45 and the Press Council was
pleased to say,

The use of the word 'Harijan' should be
avoided."

Now, Sir, you are very very impatient
and, therefore, I would conclude. I would
only point out by saying that it is rather
unfortunate and very agonising that one of
the hon. Members here has deemed it fit to
inject dangerous communal overtones in his
speech here before the House. He tried to
discriminate between conversions to Bud-
dhism and conversions to Islam and so on
and so forth and made sweeping and base-
less allegations that all conversions to Islam
etc., have been by force. If that should have
been the situation, the Muslims have ruled
over this country for a thousand years and
after a thousand years, Muslims wQuld not
have remained a minority, as they are today.
{Interruptions)

Sir, please control them. I heard them
with rapt attention and they must also listen
to me. They must also know the facts. This is
how there is an upsurge of communalism in
our country. (Interruptions)

SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO (Mor-
mugao): Sir, I am on a point of order. I want
to seek a clarification. (Interruptions)

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( Translation)

SHRI KALKA DAS:- They used to be
converted by force. (Interruptions)

SHRIBHOGENDRAJHA(Madhubani):
I have a point of order... .(Interruptions)

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: You must
have patience to listen.

SHRI KALKA DAS: We won't listen
incorrect things.

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: I would like
to request that we all express our view as we
are free to do so but unfortunately
he (Interruptions)

SHRI G. M. BANATWALA: He is not
ready to listen our views despite the fact that
we have listened to than.

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Mr. Deputy
Speaker, Sir, I am on a point of
order. (Interruptions)

SHRI KALKA DAS: Mr. Deputy Speaker,
the country's History is a witness to the fact
that during the reign of Allauddin Khilji and
Aurangzeb the Hindus were converted to
Islam forcibly. ...(Interruptions)

SHRI R.L.P. VERMA (Koderma): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, It cannot be tolerated it is
our direct insult... (Interruptions)

AN HON. MEMBER:- Mr. Deputy

Speaker, he is a ** that is why he is

talking like that.

SHRI G. M. BANATWALA: Aha! You
have not got the courage to listen. (Interrup-
tions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have al-
lowed only Bhogendra Jha. The interrup-
tions will not of on record. (Interruptions)

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Mr. Deputy
Speaker, Sir, I am on a point of order.

[English]

SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT
(Manjeri): Somebody called Shri Banatwalla
as. That should be expunged.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have al-
ready expunged it. Please take your seat.

(Interruptions)

SHRI KALKA DAS: Mr. Deputy Speaker,
Sir, he is trying to ignore the bitter fact that
Hindus were forcibly converted during Au-
rangzeb' s time. (Interruptions)

SHRI DAU DAYAL JOSHI ( Kota): Does
he know that foreign money work millions of
rupees is being pumped into India is he
aware as to how and for what purpose that
money is being used?This money is being
used for religions conversions. (Interrup-
tions)

MR DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please do not
make provocative speeches as may result in
making allegations and counter-allegations
from both the sides. It is true that both the
parties have a right to freedom of expression
and speech but nobody should speak any-
thing aimed at hurting the feelings of the
other party. Shri Banatwata was saying
something in reply. He too enjoys the right to
speech. (Interruptions)

SHRI DAU DAYAL JHOSHI: He was
causing provocation rather than giving a
reply. (Interruptions)

SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN
(Murshidabad): Objectionable words, if ut-
terred by and person, should be expunged
from the records. What is bad in it? (Interrup-
tions)

"Expunged as ordered by the chair.

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MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please sit
down otherwise it may give opportunity to
others to comment. This should not be done
when things have settled down in the House.

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: Sir, I want to
raise a point of order, every Member has a
right to put forth his view I in the House.
There can be difference of opinion and should
be there. There is nothing wrong in it. We
arrived at a conclusion only after assessing
everybody's point of view. But there are
certain remarks that should not be made in
the House because they are not in continuity
with our constitution or the decorum of the
House. Restraint should be exercised with
reasons to these in the House. Some such
remarks have been made from both the
benches. (Interruptions)

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: What ob-
jectionable remarks were make from our
side?

SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: I said that
these were raised from both the side-still, I
can repeat your remark if you are very par-
ticular about it but such remarks have come
from both the sides. These have come from
this side too. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Banat-
walla, take your seat please.

(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTYSPEAKER:Donotgotoo
deep in it. Keeping in mind all that has
happened here, I hare said what I had to say.
Now, do not stretch this debate too for please.

(Interruptbns)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mo nor, Mr.
J ha. Please be seated.

English]

PROF. P. J. KURIEN (Mavelikara): Sir,
I am grateful that the objectionable remark
had been expunged. But this is not the first
time that such a remark has come here. Two

days before also the same remark was made
here and then the honourable Mr. Advani
himself stood up and expressed an apology.
I would only request you, Sir, as you are the
custodian of this House that it is not only
enough to expunge such remarks but those
Members who raise such remarks should be
admonished by the Chair (Interruptions)

SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North): Sir, I
am on a point of order. According to my
understanding you had not removed or
expunged any remarks so far as this debate
is concerned. .

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I have ex-
punged.

SHRI RAM NAIK: Which remarks?

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Reference to
certain objectionable things.

[Translation]

SHRI KALKA DAS: My submission is
that the hon. Member has stated that a
person enjoining some respect only can be
insulted, as if nobody commands respect
here. What can be more callous and shallow
remark than this? This too should be ex-
punged from the records. (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: In this House,
We should express our views in a manner
that does not hurt the feelings of others and
one's argument can be more fruitful and
forceful only when one does not speak in a
language that hosts other* feelings. You can
present your argument without taking re-
course it and I am sure, all the Members are
quite capable of doing it. I understand that
this should to be stretched any for now. I
have stated that the objectionable remarks
have already been expunged from the rec-
ords. Now Shri Banatwalla may speak for a
short while more and conclude.

[English]

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: It is unfor-
tunate that there has been communal exploi-

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[Sh. G.M. Banatwalla]

tation of history. But I will abide by your ruling
and will not go into the untruth that these
people tried to {Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have
made that point.

{Interruptions)

[Translation]

SHRI KALKA DAS: Mr. Deputy Speaker,
Sir, now he is resorting to the same overtone
again.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: He is well
within his right to rebut it.

{Interruptions)*

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Except Mr.
Banatwalla' s speech, nothing else will go on
record.

[Translation]

Please be seated. Look, disorder is
created as and when you try to control the
Members from there. Leave that task to the
person sitting in the chair. He can well main-
tain order. Four persons rise to counter your
argument when over you try to speak and
then there are replies and counter replies
from both the sides. It is, therefore, better to
al tow the chain to do it. Everything will be set
right. There will be no debate on this issue
non onwards. Only Mr. Banatwalla will speak.

[English]

SHRI LOKNATH CHOUDHURY
(Jagatsinghpur): Every Member before filing
his nomination has taken the oath for Na-
tional integration. But, here, after becoming
the Members of the House they are speaking
in a communal overtone. So, it is the duty of

the House to prevent them from doing so.
Nobody will be allowed to subvert our secu-
lar Constitution. Our Constitution is based
on secularism. So anybody speaking with a
communal overtone should be prevented
and their speeches should not be recorded.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think, first of
all, you will not prolong this discussion. If you
prolong the discussion on the side issues the
main issue will be side-tracked. So, I will
seek the cooperation of all the hon. Mem-
bers not to raise any more points of order and
not to raise any more discussions on the side
issues. Now, with the spirit which is con-
tained in your statement, the entire House
would agree. It would be for all the Members
to speak in such a fashion that not only the
feelings of the Members are not hurt but a
situation is not created because of which the
national integration or the unity aspect is
also not hurt. This applies to all the Mem-
bers. Allthe same, sometimes advertently or
inadvertently if somebody has said some-
thing, it is good for him to withdraw. If he does
withdraw in we can take care of it. In many
cases it is not good to dwell upon such issues
in fashion that it is emphasised, too much.
But, with the spirit which is contained in your
statement, 1 think the House wilt agree. Now,
no more discussions on the side issues. Mr.
G. M. Banatwalla to continue.

SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA ( Ponnani):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, while making a
strong plea that Muslims converted and
Christians converted from Scheduled Castes
be included in the previews of the Bill. I must
also say that there need not be apprehen-
sions that the Scheduled Castes persons
will suffer in matter of their reservations. An
attempt has been made here to create an
alarm among the Scheduled Castes that if all
these Scheduled Castes converted into
Christians, Scheduled Castes converted into
Muslims are also brought within the purview
of the Bill, then the reservation and facilities
of the present Scheduled Castes Hindus
and Sikhs will suffer. An attempt has been
made to provoke them. I am sure that such

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attempts will be in vain. We can always have

schemes to take care of the fact that the

extension of the purview of the Bill does not

rob or does not eat into the reservation, as at

present are enjoyed by the present sections

of the Society. Detailed schemes can always

be worked upon. We are here discussing the

principle on which the entire matter should

be looked into. And the principle propounded

by the hon. Minister, as I had said at the

beginning of my speech here, is a healthy

principle. It is a sound principle. But, let him

not be a reluctant person to do social justice

to all the sections of the people. Of course, I

have my own amendment which I shall be

moving at the appropriate time and I hope

that the Government and the House will

extend its approbation to that particular

amendment.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Shri Jagpal
Singh.

SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN
(Murshidabad): Sir, I fail to understand why
you are not calling Mr. Prem Pradeep.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: How do you
take that I am not calling him? What makes
you say that? I will call him when his turn
comes. Please sit down. Don't worry, I will
call his.

SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN:
According to party strength, we are fourth,
Sir.

DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is not like that.
I will call him. Please do not make this
unnecessary statement.

[Translation]

SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN: You
have first called the Members of the B.S.P.
a nd the Muslim League.

[Engfe/j]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, they are
a ko Members. You can not have any objec-
tion is that.

[ Translation]

SHRI JAG PAL SINGH (Hard war): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the
constitution Amendment Bill, 1990, brought
in for such Harijans and Scheduled Castes
who got converted to Buddhism some 26-27
years ago, of course, with some suggestions
and amendments; and would like to thank
Shri Paswan for taking a timely band an
appropriate step by bringing into shape the
age old demand of the people of the country
that Neo-Buddhists should be given all such
facilities and concessions as are enjoyed by
Hindu-Harijans. With the introduction of the
Bill, one thing has become clear, and for that
I would like to address the men from B. S. P.
in particular, that casteism and untouchabil-
ity are the only attributes of the Hindu Sabha.
This is the reason behind the advent of
Christianity and Islam in our country and
casteism and untauchability crept into them
as well.

SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAIT
(Manjeri): There is no such thing like cas-
teism etc. in Islam.

SHRI JAGPAL SINGH: I shall give you
an examples, whether it is Islam or Christian-
ity, they cannot remain untouched by it. The
most important characteristics of Hindu re-
ligion are Casteism and untouchability...
(Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It you want
the speak without interruptions, please
address the chair.

SHRI JAGPAL SINGH: An evil him been
polluting our Society for the last several
thousands of years. Mayawati is present
here. I would like to tell the people belonging
to B.S.P. that with the introduction of this bill
it has become clear that, conversion is no
solution to Casteism and untouchability.
Conversion is no longer relevant for bringing
about economical and social development.
It this bill is supported by the parties like the
B.S.P. then it becomes clear that the eco-
nomic and social status of harijans cannot be
improved through conversion thoughl sup-

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[Sh. Jagpal Singh]

port this bill . Yet I would say that Shri
Paswan is also a part of Hindu religion and
his Hinduism is clearly manifest in his mov-
ing this bill he has lote for harijan conver but
no love for those harijans convert Christians,
for harijan convert Muslims. He should have
brought this constitutional amendment bill
much earlier. In one of the Articles of the
constitution it has been stated that Hindu
religion well comprise of Sikhism Buddhism
and Jainism and of no other religion. He
should have given equal status to all the
Harijans whether converted into christianias,
Muslims or Buddhists otherwise this bill is
meaningless.

The neo-Buddhists launched an agita-
tion demanding that they should also be
provided with such facilities as have been
extended to Schedule Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes. The South Indian Harijans who
have converted themselves into Christians
and those of the North Eastern region con-
verted in to Christianity have also been agi-
tating for the past twenty five to thirty years
demanding similar facilities. Such demands
are reported in the press daily. It their social
and economic conditions have not improved
despite converting into Buddhism, what it is
the guarantee that they will improve now.
This Bill does not contain any provision which
may help eradicate the casteism and un-
touchabiiity prevalent in the country. Can he
guarantee that the level of social and eco-
nomic development of Neo Buddhists sh ^uld
be brought at par with other people in the
society. After extending a few facilities to
those Harijans. He has Kept no such provi-
sion in this bill. If you extend these facilities
to lakhs and crores of neo-Buddhists then
you should also think in terms of increasing
the reservations quota for Harijans, other-
wise it will affect the prospects of harijans.
Paswanji, I request you to pay more atten-
tion towards their development of this com-
munity after bringing this bill. At present,
despite working for twelve to eighteen hours,
wearing torn clothes and facing starvation
we are not given due respect in this country.
The need of the hour is that we should be

given due respect in the country and yoi
succeed in extending this respect only w
you are in a position to bring about econc
development of 22 crore people belongir
Schedule Castes and Schedule TriJ
Presently a sense of hatred not against
individual but towards whole Harijan c
munity has developed in the Hindu relfc
whether he is a Christian, a Buddhist
Hindu, hatred for them is deep rooted ir
blood of Caste Hindus. Paswanji, I had as
Shri P. Upendra to cancel the transfer or
of one Shri Shiv Kumar who is a De
Director in A.I.R. and is a heart patient. I
days ago he fed down from a bus anc
ceived injuries but his transfer was not <
celled whereas Shri Upendraji has hin
cancelled the transfer of four such per;
wh had been permtted as Directors. As s
I want to say that this is the root course.
tell the Ministers that atrocities are b
committed on Harijans, but your Minis
are not prepared to listen to us. (Intet
tlons) The need of the hour is to improve
economic and social status of these pec

I am completing my speech but be
that I wish to say one thing exploitatio
feudal still continues in the country anc
worst affected are the people belongir
weaker sections, the Harijans. The Gov
ment must take adequate steps to <
feudal exploitation. In the rural areas it n<
to be ensured that people gettheirfullwa
and land reforms should be underta
This can help in bringing about social
economic development, merely moving
would be of no use. As such I would
upon Shri Paswan to ensure that all Hari
get similar facilities irrespective of the
whether they are Christian convertly I
lims or Hindus. So that all of them ca
brought at par with other communities.

[English]

SHRI IBRAHIM SULAIMAN J
(Manjeri): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the i
'Harijan' should not be used. It is unp;
mentary. It cannot be used. They shoul
called as Scheduled Castes and Schec
Tribes. The hon. Member has been usin

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word 'Harijans'. it should not be used. (Inter-
im rupthns)

{Translation]

SHRI JAGPAL SINGH: Mr. Deputy
Speaker, Sir, I personalty hold this view that
the word Harijan should not be used and in
case I have used it is wrong and should be
expunged.

SHRI KALKA DAS ( Karol Bagh): With-
draw it and say Schedule Caste.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Please res-
ume your seat. Mr. Jagpal, are you to deliver
a speech or answer their questions. You
please continue with your speech.

SHRI JAGPAL SINGH: At the end, after
making a demand that alt Harijans should be
treated at par and irrespective of the religion
which they have adopted, they should get
similar facilities and you should bring such a
bill and at the same time you should not get
the bill passed in a haste. You please with-
draw this bill and reconsider it. All the people
belonging to Schedule Castes shouid be
give equal status.

My other demand is that in case you
provide all these facilities to crores of neo-
Buddhists then you should also think in terms
of increasing reservations in favour of Sched-
ule Castes and Schedule Tribes.

With these words I thank you for having
given me time to express my views.

KUMARI MAYAWATI (Bijnore): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to say one
thing to Bhai Jagpal Singh. It appears that he
is not aware of our party's ideology. He has
said that I have Supported this bill and that
he was surprised that parties like B.S.P. had
supported this bill. I would like to know from
him as to what is wrong in this bill? It aims at
benefiting the oppressed and downtrodden
immunity. As regards the convert Muslims
an d Christians, we are not against them.
B-S.P. will be the first party to support reser-

vation young for these converts. Sikhs,
Muslims, Parsis, Christians and Buddhists
all are contributing their milk in building the
Bahujan Samaj Party. Do you want to mis-
leading the people of the Bahujan Samaj
Party in this manner... (Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This is nt
permitted you please Sit down.

(Interruptions)

SHRI JAGPAL SINGH: I have referred
your name because I feel that after bringing
this bill if conversions take place, they will not
help in improving economic and social con-
ditions of the Harijans.

(Interruptions)

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: This will not
go on record.

.(Interruptions)*.

( Translation)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: What is this
going on. We cannot have a discussion in
this manner.

[English]

The House stands adjourned for Lunch
to meet at 3.00 p.m. and after Lunch Mr.
Prem Pradeep will speak.

1407 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned for Lunch
till Fifteen of the Clock.

15.00 hrs

The Lok Sabha re-assembled after Lunch
at four Minuties past Fifteen of the Clock.

'Not recorded.

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[SHRIMATI GUTA MUKHERJIE in the

Chaii]

CONSTITUTION (SCHEDULED CASTES,
ORDERS (AMENDMENT) BILL

As passed by Rajya Sabha Contd.

[Translation]

SHRI PREM PRADEEP (Nawada): Hon.
Mr. Chairman, Sir, I use to support the con-
stitution (Scheduled Castes) Orders (Amend-
ment) Bill, 1990. This Bill has been intro-
duced in connection will the status of neo-
Buddhists, on it and a discussion is going on
before speaking on the Bill, I would like to say
something about Dr. Ambedkar

Dr. B. R. Ambedkar was a learned per-
son and a legal luminary. He was a great
thinker and the community in which he was
born had been the target of tremendous
oppression exploitation and discrimination.
During his schooling, he was made to sit
outside the classroom. Even when he went
to practise at the bar or was in the midst of
religious people he met with stiff apposition.
Ultimately he got recognition only when the
points raised by him attracted public atten-
tion.

The people whom we call scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes are actually
'Adivasis'. These are the original inhabitants
of India although today they are counted
among Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes. I would like to give the definition of a
Scheduled Caste. It is a will known fact that
Hindu Society does not account equal status
to Scheduled Castes who are treated as
untouchables. There are 2-3 reasons for
this. As I said they were the original inhabi-
tants of this area and it is quite possible that
they were living in tribes. But when other
people came to this area some of them went
to the jungles and are today called Adivasis.
Others who stayed in the area are called
Scheduled Castes. These people were made
slaves and everyone knows what type of
work they were compelted to do. Even today
these people carry right soil on their heads.

It is said that people are conver
one religion to another by coercion
ever be the religion. At that time Isla
new religion with a new spirit. When <
uled Caste person converted to I:
was accorded an equal social stc
could read 'namaz draw water from tl
well and sit in the company of othi
founders of our Constitution, partici
Ambedkar, were disturbed over the
sion faced by these people due to i
of economic means, lack of social
tion and non-availability of educatk
portunities.

When the constitution was being
speacila provision were made for h
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
But even 43 years after Independer
problems have not been solved c
such a length of time is more than s
to bring about a sea-change in any s
Even today they are landless, une
and socially backward. This is a i
don't want to go into details but
Harijan entered a temple, the tern
later washed to restore its sanctit
does this prove? In these changing
stances, we have introduced a Bill tc
the constitution with view to providii
cilities to neo-Buddhists. We will, of
support this Bill but at the same
cannot ignore these various points
which have been expressed in this
It is not that Dr. Ambedkar suddenly <
his religion and switched over to Bu
Perhaps the idea struck him when
framing the Constitution. Later in 1 9!
special circumstances made him ch.
religion . But the essence of the d€
this subject is that Harijans remain
tected whether they change their re
not.

There have been plenty of arc
on this subject in this House. For the
argument we say that if a caste Hir
ries a Harijan girl their child would tx
as a Scheduled Caste person. Aft
time it is possible that all castes
treated as one. Every State does nc
common yardstick to classify various

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me castes have a Scheduled Caste
s in West Bengal they may not have the
» status in Bihar or U. P. So the question
s regarding their social status and
omic condition. I have received letters
many religious leaders stating that ours
tecular country and that other religions
Id also get the same facilities which the
Constitution Amendment Bill proposes
le followers of Buddhism. I think other
;. also have received such letters.

The religious leaders have appealed to
•IPs. to raise this issue in Parliament.
we are discussing whether to support
Jill or not. We cannot ignore the fact that
> have been many people who have
erted to Buddhism since the time of Dr.
edkar. But this does not mean that we
ild not support this Bill. We are in favour
is Constitution Amendment and would
ill Members to pass it with a voice vote.
:h a Bill is brought by the other side or by
ligious leader, be it a Government Bill or
ivate Bill, we shall definitely consider
her such a provision can be included in
Constitution or not. (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please finish in two
tes.

SHRI PREM PRADEEP: All Members
r ee to express their views in this House,
smarkable to note that in 1 956. five lakh
3ns converted to Buddhism abngwith
tmbedkar. But no facility is available to
i. Dr. Ambedkar, one of the founders of
Constitution, has clarified certain points
suppose neo-Buddhists have also been
tioned by him I whole-heartedly support
Bill. With these words, I end my speech.

lish]

SHRI M. SELVARASU (Nagapattisum):
Chairman, Sir, I whole-heartedly wel-
9 and support the Constitution (Sched-
Castes) Order (Amendment) Bill, 1990.
ngratulate the Government and the
ster for bringing this timely measure.

It was in 1956, Scheduled Castes who

were oppressed and suppressed converted
to Buddhism under Babasaheb Ambedkar.
They were called Neo-Buddhists. These Neo-
Buddhists though liberated from the social
taboos of being called Harijans, could not be
liberated from the economic backwardness.
This economic backwardness is the main
cause of their social backwardness and,
therefore, the Minister has rightly brought
forward the Bill for including them in the
Scheduled Castes List. I welcome the meas-
ure.

Similar grievance exists in the case of
Scheduled Caste converts to Christianity.
Convert Christians should also be included
in the Scheduled Caste List. Convert Chris-
tians are still economically backward. Their
lot can be improved only if they are given
concessions. I, therefore, strongly urge upon
the Government to move an amendment to
this Bill for inclusion of convert Christians in
the Scheduled Caste List.

In Tamilnadu, a large number of Nari
Kuravas are in poor condition. Nari Kuravas
lead nomadic life. Their condition can be
improved only if they are included in the
Scheduled Caste List.

Dhobies and barbers also belong to
poor and downtrodden sections of the soci-
ety. In some States, dhobies and barbers are
oppressed and insulted. In villages, they are
not allowed to draw water from wells; they
are not allowed even to walk in the streets
where high caste people live. For small er-
rors, these poor classes are punished se-
verely by village panchayats dominated by
higher castes. I, therefore, request the hon.
Minister to include both these communities
in the Scheduled Caste List.

SHRI P. PENCHALLIAH (Nellore): Are
barbers and dhobies suffering from untouch-
ability?

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please do not inter-
rupt.

SHRI M. SELVARASU: I also like to
make an appeal on behalf of blacksmiths.

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Blacksmiths are the weakest section of
society in villages. They should be rehabili-
tated with special concessions. For this
purpose, they should be included in the
Scheduled Caste List.

Sir, we have passed several legisla-
tions to curb atrocities on Scheduled Castes.
But these laws are not being implemented
properly. I request the Government to con-
stitute special monitoring cells in every Dis-
trict to watch the implementation of the pro-
visions.

We are very proud that this Government
has constituted special courts to try offences
against Scheduled Castes. I request the
Government to place on the Table a quar-
terly review of the functioning of the special
courts in each State. That would keep us
always informed and we can suggest im-
provements in the matter.

We should also see that while naming
national monuments, public places, Govern-
ment buildings-whether State Government
or Central Governments-streets etc., we
should, in no case, mention the caste along
with names. Existing caste names from the
names of streets, public places and monu-
ments should be dropped by an executive
order.

Not only that. To help the State Govern-
ments to formulate and implement special
programmes for the welfare of Scheduled
Castes, special grants should be provided to
State Governments. Also, it must be seen
that a specified percentage of State Plan
allocation should be compulsorily spent on
welfare of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes.

With these words, I conclude.

SHRI HUKUMDEC NARAYAN YADAV
(Sitamarhi): Madam, I thank hon. Shri. Ram
Vilas Paswan for bringing this Bill, which
may not look exhaustive but the points being
expressed in this context are of great impor-
tance

"Sat saiyan ke dohre jon navak k<
Dekhan mein chhote laage ghaon
gambhir"

This Bill will have a serious impact
implies that even after people belongi
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled 1
convert to another religion, they shoul
the same facilities as before.

I shall not level allegations on ar
because we do not understand the
meaning of religion. I don't believe th«
religious devout do not have disparity,
ity and discrimination in their minds. W
communal and are involved in petty coi
nal matters, that is why we see dual
everything and our existence appears
in danger. I would like to say that if ar
adopts a religion with genuine faith h
nounces worldly desires because it
question of faith. If he converts to an
religion because of money lust, cravirw
world fame and desire for male issue th<
is constantly obsessed by the apprehei
of a fall. On the other hand, adoptk
anther religion based on faith frees him
such fears and helps him make prog
The meaning of religion is to strengths
bond between fellow human beings
remove discrimination. There would I
tension if we build a society where there
discrimination. It is pleasing to note thai
hon. shri Banatwalla and hon. Shri F
have demanded that Scheduled Caste
Scheduled Tribes people who conver
Islam or Christianity begiventhesames
facilities that were being given to then
Her. Now we have reached that stag*
what are reasons for that? The pe
belonging to the Scheduled Castes
Scheduled Tribes get special opporti
because of the Constitutional and
provisions made under various laws I
Government and the House. Today
person Is trying for his inclusion in the
gory of the Scheduled Castes and S
uled Tribes and a number of applic
have been received in Bihar forthis put
This is so happening because persor
longing to the Scheduled Castes and S
uled Tribes have been given special c
tunities under the constitution. But whj

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given these special opportunities? Just
mse of the fact that earlier, the persons
nging to the upper castes had concen-
id all powers in their hands who fully
oited it to their pleasure but on the other
there was also such a category of people
ictety which had no power. I would like to
nit that the Government should bring an
to these inequalities and create a soci-
based on equality instead of providing
aai opportunities, as stated by Shri Ram
s Paswan. We will have to keep a check
hose who have been enjoying power for
ast millions of years and we should uplift
backward and the oppressed, it is only
i that we will be able to create a society
ed on equality. For setting up a classless
casteless society which is also called an
Jitarian society, we have to uplift the
kward and keep a check on upper classes
ause there is no comparison between
two who are in the race. Even if both the
agones of people are given equal oppor-
ties, the disparity will continue. The aim
>ur constitution was to built a classless
I casteless society. We have not taken
steps in that direction. We are just
sing ahead and giving petty concessions
ie backward, which is nothing but a drop
le ocean. This will not meet their require-
its. Therefore, I would like to submit that
will not do anything and we will have to
ct a legislation in this House and speak
ut it courageously. *We should come out
ur illusions. If we resolve to help the poor
to provide food to hungry, clothes to the
ed, water to the thirsty, education to the
rate, medicine to the sick and shelter to
homeless, we should try to achieve that
tctive through our constitution with all
verity of efforts in that direction today
If. We have great respect for Dr. Am-
kar who had adopted the Buddhism. But
>uld like to say that some religious per-
s are creating communal feelings in the
ntry in the name of God and religious
sons. The political parties are doing the
ie by discarding their ideals, principles
values. While on one hand the number
iligiouscommunalists is increasing in the
ntry. No community wants to do away
the other community because they think

that the existence of other community is
necessary for their progress. It is for this
reason that the religious and political com-
'munalists are not trying to bridge the gap of
inequalities. Instead, they are working to
maintain it. I would like to make a demand
that a law should be formulated to cover up
the loss which our country has suffered due
to caste system. Shri Chand Ram has ex-
pressed the same views. In those days when
we were working underthe leadership of late
Ch. Charan Singh, he told us that he had
written a letter to Pandit Jawahar Lai Nehru.
He had also told me with a heavy heart that
his suggestion had not been accepted.
Please think about its reasons. Nobody,
considers Sh. Hukumdeo Narayan, Shri
Chand Ram, Shri Ram Vials Paswan, Shri
Mufti Mohammad Sayeed or Shri Arif Mo-
hammad Khan as the leaders of Harijans.
Everybody says that Dr. Ambedkar was the
great leader of Harijans and if a leader is as
intelligent, dynamic and capable as It was
Dr. Ambedkar, he will be called the leader of
the Harijans. Choudhary Charan Singh was
called the leader of the Jats, Shri Vlsh-
wanath Pratap Singh is considered to be the
leader of Thakurs and Hukumdeo Narayan
as the leader of Yadavs. In this country only
a few families enjoy the privilege of produc-
ing National leaders and none else can reach
those heights. We can neverthink of becom-
ing the leaders of the National level just
because of our caste and the trend of ignor-
ing our intelligence so we will continue to fall
a victim to exploitation. In case we are really
interested to free our country from this ex-
ploitation, we shall have to break down the
barriers of caste and class which has under-
mined our intelligence, knowledge and dy-
namism. Unless and until we pull down these
barriers, we won't be able to build a new
society and bring an end to the inequalities
existing in our country. Afterall, for how long,
all this will contunue. Even in 1977 when I
was elected to this House for the first time I
had said and I repeat it even today that it is
some thing unfortunate for India that since
independence we have been providing the
facility of reservation to certain castes but
none of us has ever thought as to why these
castes have not been able to produce such

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[Sh. Hukumdeo Narayan Yadav]

a leader to this day who could rise to the rank %
of a Cabinet Minister, right from the days of
Pandit Jawahar Lai Nehru to the present
regime of Shri Vishwanath Pratap Singh.
Inspite of that facility reservation if these
castes have not been able to produce a
leader of that stature. We shall have to think
in a new direction to analyse as to why the
talent of this class of people could not see its
full bloom inspite of the facility or reservation
and where liesthe basic fault. (Interruptions)
That is what I am saying. However the ques-
tion is as to who is responsible for it.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Yadav, please
conclude.

SHRI HUKUMDEO NARAYAN YADAV:
I am just concluding. I am saying who is
responsible for it.

"Papi kaun manuj se uska nyaya chur-
ane vala,

Ya ki nyaya ko khojate vighan ka sheesh
udane vala".

The Government shall have to identify
those who are responsible for it. Is it not our
misfortune? I would like to request Shri Ram
Vilas Paswan that now it is the Government
of Janta Dal and it should not confine reser-
vation to the Government jobs only. The
Government has not been able to providef ull
benefits or reservation to the persons be-
longing to the Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes for whom there are already pro-
vision under the law while on the other side,
where reservation is not restricted by law,
the Government does not adopt a liberal
attitude towards them. Please tell me if any
political party adopts a liberal attitude to offer
seats in the Rajya Sabha and the State
Legislative Councils to the persons belong-
ing to the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes? We the caste Hindus, claim to be the
worthiest people and think others to be
unworthy of becoming the Member of the
Rajya Sabha and the State Legislative
Councils. What will they get by these poli-
cies? Even in other committees constituted

under the various Departments of the
ernment from time to time, there is no
sion of reservation for these categoi
people so the office of the Chairman a
Members is never offered to the p<
belonging to the Scheduled Caste
Scheduled Tribes. Then what is the i
this reservation?

Madam Chairman, I am just concl
A leader carries with him the idea
impressions he inherits from his caste,
and the society where he was borr
developed. All these trails which conl
to the shaping of his personality be
binding on him and he can not see bey
So we have to free our country from
evil ways and to inculcate new we
enable this country go ahead on the p
progress. Therefore a Bill should be sir
neously introduced with this bill, seekii
reservation for the persons belonging
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled "
not only in the Lok Sabha, State Lege
Assemblies and the Government jot
also in the cabinet because you shou
to it that five to ten persons of a par
caste may become Ministers but eve
persons from amongst the Harijansarx
cannot be given that prestigious pis
person of Scheduled Tribe can not be
a cabinet Minister. I would like to requ<
Government to provide special opp
ties to the people belonging to the S
uled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, Bac
classes minorities and women in the
making committees and the recrurtir
appointing agencies such as Public S
Commission, University Service Co
sion and the Railway Board. Without
country will not progress. The Gover
can console themselves by making
laws but like his forfathers the youth <
generation are not to be swayed by
temptations of the Government. We v
know if he is seized of their dubious w
exploitation of the Government be
genuine intentions need not be sub
ated by laws. Being it otherwise no
going to give us our rights. Therefore \
required at the moment is to create ;
the persons belonging to those catec

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its of leadership and to bring them in
>nt line of the leaders. I would like to
>ur pardon to say that very few persons
jing to the Scheduled Castes and
luled Tribes are sitting in the front row
House and the persons of Backward
»s are not to be found there. It a leader
>e categories is not to be here, who will
Dr them? I would therefore tike to call
he person of upper castes to give up
eats power on their own. I would also
that being of otherwise the persons
jing to the Scheduled Castes, Sched-
"ribes, minorities and the women will
forward to capture it forcibly from them,
hese words, I conclude.

HRI GOPI NATH GAJAPATHI (Ber-
ur): Madam Chairman, I wish to make
pecific representations in connection
the Constitution (Scheduled Casts)
s (Amendment) Bill, 1990 moved by
fnamic hon. Minister for Labour and
re, Shri Ram Vilas Paswan.

here are certain backward classes of
mt religions, who since ages, continue
i deprived and under-developed lot, in
cant numbers of over three lakhs, in
stricts of Ganjam, Koraput and Phul-
f Orissa State.

urther, there is also another class of
Tien on the coastal regions of Ganjam
i of Orissa State predominantly in the
pur and Chatrapur Assembly seg-
>. These poor and oppressed lot of
men, depend on fishing for their liveli-
However, they are being subjected to
f hardship by the big industrial houses,
lave taken to fishing as a major busi-
activity using deep-sea trawlers. The
ss fishermen, with their small country
, are no match vis-a-vis the industrial
and are thus under constant oppres-
x their basic livelihood.

hese backward classes and the fisher-
ire treated as untouchables and are
inhuman treatment. Even now, they
ring offended at public places like ho-
chools, shops rivers, wells, etc. Basic

needs like education, health facilities, jobs
electricity, water supply and other social
amenities are not provided to them. They are
thus denied equality and social justice. Till
date, they are landless, bonded labourers
and as a result, their hopes, aspirations,
skills and potentialities are dashed to the
ground.

It can be seen that till now, no religion,
party or government has been able to help
free the backward classes and fishermen
from economic bondages and accord them
socio-economic development. Programmes
and schemes should be formulated for eco-
nomic rehabilitation of the under-developed
lot. Laws against untouchability should also
be strictly enforced to enable this section of
deprived people to live like normal human
beings.

I would, therefore, urge upon the Gov-
ernment, through you Madam Chairperson,
to enact necessary legislation for recogni-
tion of the under-developed backward
classes and also the poor, oppressed fisher-
men of Orissa State particularly during the
current birth centenary year of Baba Saheb
Ambedkarji.

SHRI S. BENJAMIN (Bapatla): Fro a
long time I could observe in this House the
anxiety and concern that is expressed wher-
ever there are atrocities on harijans and
Scheduled Caste people. And, I am greatly
indebted and grateful to those people who
have shown a great concern for the well-
being of the Scheduled Caste people who
are spread from Himalyas to Cape Camorin.
There is on place in the history to tell for what
reasons this untouchability has come into
being. We have no such authority to speak of
course. We are the aboriginals of this coun-
try as an hon. Member has expressed and
several people came to this country and
invaded it. Perhaps a greater number of
people have come from the Hindu side who
thought to be the majority of this country
land. But, we are the natives and we are the
patriots. There is no doubt about our loyalty
so far as our patriotism is concerned.

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It so happened that we were driven our
from our grounds and abodes. The profes-
sions that were given to us made us, even to
this day, as if we are living almost below the
poverty line. The professions that were left to
us are miserable. We have to be the guards
of cremation grounds. We have to remove
the carcass. We have to remove the night
soil. Those are the professions that were
given to us as if they were doing a great
mercy. Under such circumstances, it so
happened that we were reduced almost like
beggars of the State. In that condition, a
question has arisen: "If religion can be taken
as a ground, first discrimination has to stop.'
As beggars of the State, we have approached
at the temple, we have approached at the
mosque and we have also approached at the
church. But who is responsible for this con-
dition? I must say, the communal difference
that was shown, the discrimination that was
shown to us, must have been responsible for
all these things. So, while going to temples
also I am discriminated. But from centuries
back — I can say a millennium-l was dis-
criminated and untouchability was practised.
So along as untouchability is practised, to
which community I belong to it, will not be a
matter for consideration. But fortunately, the
Government has brought about a Bill, the
Objects and Reasons of which were clearly
stated, as a pre-concept for consideration.
What is the concept? Religion has not in any
way brought about a development or a
change in the economic and social condi-
tions of the depressed classes or to the
untouchables. Perhaps this conception must
have to be revised and re-thought of.

The true nature or the religious concep-
tion is not social or economic but something
else and that is, a communion with God,
consciousness development and a clear
perception of the creator is the meaning of
the religion. So, through religion, we com-
municate for the salvation of the soul and not
for the social or the economic development
of the country. The criterion or the main
object of religion or the end of the religion is
transmutation of life. A transmutation of life is

inherent in the religion itself. That is why
religion taken as an objective or reason for
this stratification is not good at all because
this stratification before long was made by
Manu.

That stratification was existing even
before Manu. From that time onwards, be-
cause of this stratification being implemented
in our case, we have become so untouch-
able and so poor that we approach every-
body for alms-because in creation there is an
unsatiable hunger which is responsible for
this. I am hungry; I tyeg you, this man and
everybody who comes my way. You find
beggars in the church, temple and the
mosque. Will you discriminate against me
because of the particular religion to which I
do not belong; will you not give me alms?
That is what I am asking. Under the secular
Constitution, religion has been taken into
consideration. (Interruptions)

I am now coming to the pragmatic part,
and not to theory. I am giving the facts; based
on them, I say that these is an one sided
approach. Even the Constitutional provision
was not accepted. It was negatived by the
courts also. I am a Harijan, and my father is
also a Harijan. I am a Harijan Christian. My
father is entitled to benefits, whereas I am
debarred. What difference is there between
my father and myself? Do I not share the
same blood. Have I not been educated, with
the sweat of this agricultural labourer that is
who has given me this education? Is it a sin
that I am born as a Harijan or a Scheduled
Caste?

Unfortunately , the courts also have given
a different verdict, as if proselytisation is the
property of one community. I am giving an
example viz. the case of Devarajan vs
Ambalkar.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Nowyou have to step.

SHRI S. BENJAMIN: Madam, this is the
first time that I am speaking. I had not ac-
cepted offers made to me by my party to
participate earlier. As such, I should be given
more time. (Interruptions)

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I will not touch the theoretical aspect.

Previously, you know, Buddha was taken as

one of the Avatars. So, in the name of the

Constitution, secularism was accepted.

Nowadays, in the name of Buddhist religion,

tine same process is accepted and adopted.

The hon. Minister knows that a consensus

approach is made, to every problem. In this

case also, we have got clear indications from

Ambedkar, Gandhiji, the Finance Minister

and several other people who have given

their opinion on the Scheduled Caste Har-

|ans. May I request that acosensus may be

arrived at after due consultation? The cause

of the minorities and the poverty-stricken

musthave been taken into consideration by

the Leftists a long time back.

But unfortunately, you have let us down
e| and our cause is not taken up. Therefore,
z| sectarianism and secularism cannot go to-
gether. But secularism is taken as an advan-
tage to make Hindu propaganda. (Interrup-
tions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : You conclude.

{Interruptions)

SHRI S. BENAMIN: Now Buddhism is
also part of the Hinduism, because they
have taken him as another Avtar. Previ-
ously, in the name of Constitution, you had
proselytised the people. Now, you are prose-
lytising them in the name of Buddhism. So,
there is no secularism, but sectarianism. Our
nation is considered as a united country
even though there are variations. That is why
we enjoy unity in the midst of diversity; and
to maintain that, the minorities must be given
adequate protection. Otherwise, the country
will go sectarian. This is not the idea of the
Constitution. Secularism is reflected in the
Constitution. To maintain the dignity of the
nation and secularism, you have to treat
those minorities on par with others. Other-
wise, it will be construed that you are treating
us as guests only to serve the nation, and not
as patriots or natives of this nation. {Interrup-
tions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : Your please conclude.

SHRI S. BENJAMIN: We are the patri-
ots and the nationals of this country. We love
this country; we breathe in this country; we
die in this country; we have no other loyalty.
You have to treat us on par with others.

MR. CHAIRMAN: You support, I under-
stand, Mr. Faleiro. Now you conclude.

SHRI S. BENJAMIN: We, the people of
this underdeveloped country, are approach-
ing the nations of the world and the World
Bank for help, no because of any other thing.
That is why I request you to treat the minori-
ties, those who are deprived for centuries, on
par with others. You had discriminated usfor
centuries. Now also we are being discrimi-
nated. Why do you want to discriminate us?
You do not want secularism to prevail; you
want sectarianism to prevail. Otherwise, you
should have included these people in this
Amendment. You should help these people
in getting the benefits of the developments
that are taking place in this country for the
unity and integrity of the nation.

[Translation]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRYOFPARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS
AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINIS-
TRY OF TOURISM (SHRI SATYA PAL
MALIK): Madam Chairman, I beg to move
that discussion on this Constitution (Sched-
uled Castes) Orders (Amendment) Bill, 1 990
may be stopped here itself. The Minister's
reply and voting on this Bill can take place
tomorrow.

After that, we may start discussion on
Constitution (Sixty Eighth Amendment) Bill,
1990 relating to Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes, which may last upto 5.30
P.M.

Later on, we can start discussion under
Rule 193 on cyclone that has hit the state of
Andhra Pradesh. The Hon'ble Members of
various Parties, who did not get an opportu-
nity to speak on this issue, can now speak,
as the subject matter is almost same and is
comprehensive.

1 07 Const (S. C.) Orders
(Amend.) Bill

[English]

MAY 28 ,1990

As Passed
by RajyaSabha

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: I agree with you.
But there is a problem for as. There are two
or three speakers from our side who want to
speak.

MR. CHAIRMAN: You have to take my
permission. This is a proposal made by the
Government. I would like to know your reac-
tion and then we shall conclude it accord-
ingly.

SHRI SARYNARAYAN JATIYA (Ujjain):
Its continuity should not be disturbed.

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: Our problem is
this. Otherwise, we do not have any other
difficulty. I agree with the hon. Minister. But
we have three more speakers who evil take
only two or three minutes each. Either they
may be allowed today or they should be
allowed before the Minister replies tomor-
row. On this condition , we can agree with
hon. Minister.

16.00 hrs.

MR. CHAIRMAN: The Government has
not proposed that the discussion should be
finished.

[Translation]

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: Discussion
should be finished.

decision, we would like to urge upon y
though we wanted this Bill to be [
today itself after concluding the disc
on this issue today, but since the mem
the Opposition Parties and others exp
the opinion that as voting on this Bill i
held tomorrow, discussion on this Bill
finished by 3.30 P.M. today and after'
may take up other item, which is in re
the Scheduled Castes and Schedulec
Commission and discussion on thii
also should be finished today itself
voting on both the Bills may be held
row at the same time. Yesterday, the 1
discussion on this issue was fixed up
P.M. We do not have any objection i
to lack of time an agreement was i
under which it was to be finished fc
P.M. but now it is 4 O'clock. Therefo
gestion has been made by the Minis
by the Government that discussion
subject may be stopped now and u
take up the next item of the Agenda. '
row, after that reply will be given, am
of the members wants to seek clarii
chart may give him one or two minut
discussion on this issue may be f
today. Voting on it may be held tom<

[English]

MR. CHAIRMAN: The time alk
finished. It can be extended. But the C
ment has made an appeal that they '
include the next Bill at this stage. T>
deals with more or less the same si

[English]

(Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Hon. members,
please understand what the proposal is. The
proposal is not to close the discussion alto-
gether. There are many speakers. Even if, all
cannot be allowed, definitely, some can be
allowed.

[Translation]

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS P ASWAN):
Madam Chairman, before you give your

(Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Would you
finish or not? If you interfere like
cannot complete. Please listen. Thfc
Government's proposal. My undersl
is that the hon. members belonging!
parties, whose members have not sp
all will be allowed tomorrow. I hopel
House will agree with this proposal.

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: On our sid
are only two more speakers. Not nee*
today, but tomorrow before the hon. I
replies, they may be allowed to spei

09 Const (S. C.) Orders JYAISTHA 7, 1 91 2 (SAKA)ConsL (68th Amend) Bill 1 1
(Amend.) Bill As Passed by Rajya Sabha

SHRI SATYA PAL MALIK: That is
igreed.

MR. CHAIRMAN: With this understand-
ng, I believe, everybody agrees. I have
already spoken that the members of those
parties who have not spoken will have an
Dpportunity to speak, very briefly.

SHRI PIYARE LAL HANDOO
(Anantnag): I want to make brief sub-mis-
sions. If any speech is allowed today, that
will be of the members of those parties who
have not yet spoken, not of those who have
already spoken.

MR. CHAIRMAN: You have not listened
to me. This is the proposal of the Govern-
ment.

further to amend the Constitution of India be
taken into consideration,

16.08 hrs.

CONSTITUTION (SIXTY-EIGHTH
AMENDMENT) BILL

[Translation]

THE MINISTER OF LABOUR AND
WELFARE (SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN): I
beg to move:

That Bill further to amend the Consti-
tution of India be taken into considera-
tion".

SHRI SATYNARAYAN JATIYA (Ujjain):
My name is there.

MR. CHAIRMAN: There are many
names, not oniy yours.

SHRI SATYNARAYAN JATIYA: When-
ever my chance to speak comes, the debate
ends there. Please allow me to speak.

SHRI RAM NAIK (Bombay North):
Madam, it is a coincidence that it is always
happening in his case. So, I request that he
should be given more time to speak as
others are given... (Interruptions)

MR. CHAIRMAN : I have given my rul-
ing. It is the prerogative of the Chair. The
Chair tries to accommodate all Parties and
as far as possible the Members. Therefore,
I have heard all of you. Tomorrow when it
tomes, whoever in the Chak will try to satisfy
as many Members as possible.

Now , if the House agrees, then we shall
*k* up the next Bill.

SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: Yes.

[SHRI NIRMAL KANTI CHATTERJEE in

the Chair]

16.08 1/2 hrs.

Mr. Chairman, Sir, many Hon'ble
Members have expressed their views on
Constitution (Scheduled Castes) Order
(Amendment) Bill, 1 990. Some of the Hon'ble
Members will get an opportunity to speak on
it tomorrow also. This Constitution Amend-
ment Bill is also a very important Bill. (Inter-
ruptions)

All the Hon'ble Members of this House
are aware that there has been a long stand-
ing demand to provide constitutional status,
constitutional powers and statutory powers
to the Scheduled Castes-Scheduled Tribes
Commission and this Constitution Amend-
ment Bill was presented in this House during
the year 1 978 also, but unfortunately it could
not be passed at that time. Later on, in 1979
this Bill was presented again and discussion
on it was to be held on 19.7.79 but again it
could not be passed due to the downfall of
the Government. Today after 1 1 years, this
Constitution Amendment Bill has been
brought in the House and I would like to say
only this thing to the Hon'ble Members that
the present Government is determined and
I would like to say it clearly that if the Hon'ble

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[Sh. Ram Vilas Paswan]

Members and leaders of all the parties give
their cooperation on these issues, I can say
it with certainity that whatever suggestions
they give in regard to the upliftment of Sched-
uled Castes and Tribes, weaker sections of
the society, will be implemented. Because,
on such policy matters, especially, on the
matter of weaker sections, it has already
been deleyed very much. The period of 43
years is not a short time and it s not proper if
after such a long time the people feel disap-
pointed on this account. I think that it is
dangerous not only for the Government but
for the entire country if the people of Sched-
uled Castes, Scheduled Tribes, minorities,
downtrodden deprived of their rights and if
their is feeling of disappointment among
them. Therefore, when discussion on this
issue was held in the morning, and Prof.
Ranga tried to link it with the other issue, that
I felt all that time there has not been any
change in the tradition of the Congress Party
Particularly in regard to the people of these
communities . But I feel happy...

[English]

PROF. P.J. KURIEN: We have made it
absolutely clear....

MR.CHAIRMAN: Please sit down. You
will have your say.

[Translation]

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: I am giv-
ing my thanks for this only. Mr. Chairman,
Sir, I was giving thanks for this. In the morn-
ing, when an effort was made to link this
issue with the other issues I was little appre-
hensive. But the Government is happy that
all the Members of ruling and opposition
parties are unanimous on the issue of Sched-
ule Castes and Tribes and weaker sections
of the society. Therefore, I have stated that
if all of you have been cooperating with the
Government though I consider this thing that
the Government do not have 2/3 minority,
the Government will fulfil the promises made
to the people by passing these Bills in the

House. There are two points, many of our
friends are saying the points about which laiir
has not been enacted. There is a need to
enact the law. Secondly the law, that has
been enacted, is not being implemented. So,
it should be implemented. Thirdly, there is a
need to bring about a comprehensive change
in the view point of our society, about which
our friends have stated that problem will not
be solved only by enacting a law, rather our
social outlook should be changed. The issue
of Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and
the weaker sections of society is not just an
issue concerning their welfare, but it is a
problem for the nation, it is a stigma on our
society. We should see such problems in this
prospective only we had promised in our
election manifesto that if our party comes to
power, constitutional status and statutory
powers will be given to the Scheduled Castes
and Scheduled Tribes Commission. When
the issue to extend the reservation for 10
years was raised in the House for the first
time, I had stated at that time also that the
Government if firmly resolve to implement it
I can say this thing that whether present
Government have a five year's time or one
year time, as a Minister of Welfare, Minister
of Labour and as a part of the Government of
India, I would like that we may fulfil the
promises made to the the people within a
year. I can count them one by one. We have
submitted that reservation may be extended
for 10 years, it has been increased by the
cooperation of all of you. We seek the advice
of Ministry of Law to enact Prevention of
Atrocities Act for Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes. They have advised us
that the Central Government is not under
any obligation to consult the State Govern-
ments, the Central Government can issue
Notification. The Central Government house
issued Notification. On 30th January that
constitutional status may be given to the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
Commission. The Government have brought
this in the Parliament and it would be passed
if all of you Cooperate with the Government.
Many of our friends are saying that reserva-
tion quota has not been fulfilled during the
period of 43 years because none of the
officer is afraid of any action. Eligibility

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(68th Amend.) Bill 114

criteria is changed. Some times it is said that
the height should be 5 foot 6 inches but the
boy is of 5 foot 10 inches; the chest should be
32 inches but a boy having chest of 36 inches
is available. Then they say that education
Qualification should be matriculate but a boy
having M.A. qualification is available.

Even after that it is being said that he is
not suitable. It is also being said that he is not
reliable and capable.

[English]

If the suitable candidates belonging to
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
will not be available, the seal will be treated
de-reserved.

[Translation]

I had said in the morning also that Dr.
Ambedkar's birth centenary is being cele-
brated this year. While making an announce-
ment to this office. We had made a resolve
that no reserved vacancies to what even
categories they might belong to, will remain
unfilled by 14th April. We are bringing for-
ward a Legislation which will specify that
officers who will try to, de-reserve reserved
vacancies' will be punished. Provisions re-
lating to land reforms should be included in
the Ninth Schedule. Poor people who are
being given land deeds d not get the posses-
sion of the land. In order to check such
propositions this Bill is being brought for-
ward to amend the constitutions and incor-
porate the provisions in the Nineth Sched-
ule. Once this Bill is passed the land hill not
be able to take recourse to the counts. The
people will get the ownership of the land
along with the land deed. Any problem in this
connection will be lacked after by the Gov-,
ernment.

SHRI JAG PAL SINGH: I, would like to
suggest that after giving the land deed to the
poor man, it should be the responsibility of
the Government to fight the case, if any in the
court of Law and ensure that the poor people
get the posession of the land in the right
earnest.

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: We will
look into that point also. We will consider all
the good suggestions which would come up
from various quarters in this connection. We
will implement the suggestions. Under the
Prevention of Atrocities Act we have written
to the State Government's to set up special
courts in the 1 2,500 districts and there should
also be separate counts at places where
atrocities are committed on Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes. We will see
that special courts are set up in the remain-
ing 30 per cent of the districts in Rajasthan by
1 5th June. We will set that special courts are
set up in each and every district. Dr. Am-
bedkar has been honoured with "Bharat
Ratna". It has upgraded Government's status.
It is surprising that Bharat Ratna was not
awarded for 43 years to the most deserving
person who framed the constitution of India.
If was the first and foremost duty of the
Government and we did it. Dr. Ambedkar's
portrait has since been displayed in the
central Hall of the Parliament. We will accept
the suggestions made by the hon. Members
during the course of their speech. The safai
Karmacharis are being addressed as bhangis
in an abusive manner. They have not so far
been given the status of Safai Mazdoors.
They are still carrying night soil on their
heads in all the 3900 cities in the country.
After 43 years we have made a resolve to
engage them in other fibs in the next three
years. Even after this if there is still some
menial work which they ar required to do, we
will stop that practice also, we will ensure
that flush latrines and 'Sulabh Souchalayas'
are bult in all the places. We will root out the
very cause for which they were made un-
touchables. One can see in Karol Bagh that
the Shoe makers get only Rs. 25 for a pair of
shoe they make. Out of this amount, the
leather costs Rs. 12 and the remaining
amount is their labour charge. But the same
pair of shoes costs Rs. 150 in the market.
Then who takes the difference of Rs. 1 00. In
under to same the shoe makers from such
an exploitation, we have decided to form co-
operative societies and ensure that the ac-
tual profit reaches the pockeis of the labour-
ers and no middlemaintakesthe lion's share.
This will also help people in getting shoes as

1 1 5 Const.

[Sh. Ram Vilas Paswan]

reasonable rates.

Similarly , tens and thousands of people
are working in the cottage Industry. But they
are working there as labourers and not as
owners Government's intentins are very clear
in this regard. We had made some Commit-
ments to the people. If we had the least
intention to consume time, we would have
taken six months to fulfil one commitment
and in this way could have taken another 6
months for fulfilling the next item. Instead of
doing that we are making all our efforts to
fulfill the commitments at the earliest pos-
sible. For this purpose we have brought
forward three Bills at a time. The Bills relate
to ganting of certain facilities to Neo-Bud-
dhists and the Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes and Land Reforms. Besides,
these Bills relate to welfare of Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes and those
sections of the society who have been sub-
jugated for thousand of years, who have
been bound by fetter and whose voice has
been supressed. It is the labour class which
has been denied the dignity of labour and
have been made down'roddens with the
result the growth of the country got ham-
pered. We have, therefore, made a resolve
that we will give them the dignity of labour.
We stick to the slogan that people capable to
earn will earn and people who indulge in
exploration will totally be wipped and a new
era will come. That is why this constitutional
Amendment Bill has been brought forward
which should grant statutory status to the
commission of Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes.

I had mentioned this very point in the
House in last December also. Now two things
are under consideration, one is the Commis-
sion of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes and the other is the office of the
Commission of Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes. But nothing substantial is
being done. Though reports are being pre-
pared honestly, the report is not-being sub-
mitted to Parliament on time. Even if the
report is submitted in the Parliament, no

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discussion is being held on the report,
if a discussion is held, the Commissio
no powers to implement the discussion
example athief before proceedingtoa
a chest, takes some chappatis with h
case he ancounters a dog which migh
at him, to divert his attention he drips
pieces of the chappatis before it. This
the thief in commiting the theft easily. S
is the case with spending huge sums
name of Scheduled Castes and Sche
Tribes. A sum of Rs. 1 000 crores was
in the Fifth Five Year Plan followed t
5000 crores in Sixth Five Year Piai
10,000 crores in Seventh Five Year
Even after spending Rs. 16,000 crort
ing these Plan periods, we have rx>1
able to list 1 6 lakh Adivasis above th
erty line.j As such, we have decide
benefits of money being spent. On de
ment work for Adivasis should react
direct. I would like to lite one more ex
In the national highway project, thoug
are ample avenues of employment, I
Adivasis cannot avail any such oppo
Similarly, electricity is being supp
Adivasis, but they do not get it. It is
diverted to other places and the Adivs
being shown as beneficiaries paper

There is no dearth of leaders ai
cies in this country. But what is lacki
the intention. As long as intentions ■
clear, nothing can be done. Nw I wo
to request the speakers to come i
count the achievements of the Gove
and thereafter make their suggestii
will welcome them. With this thing in v
erne with the Bill for making the Comr
for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
more powerful. We have proposed
the Cabinet Minister's status to its
man. Earlier it was only of the rar
Secretary. Similarly we have propc
give the status of a Minister of Stat
Deputy Chairman. The Commission
only enquire into the complaints, b
examine their. It can summon the pa
will also send its representatives to
pate in the meetings held by the PI
Commissions of various status a
Central Planning Commission while |

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ing plans for their respective spheres. We
have already said that before taking up any
major planning or project in the interest of the
Ad iv as is, the proposal of the projects to be
taken up will be discussed with the Adivasis
and they will be duly consulted before tack-
ing afinal decision in the matter. It should not
be so that major projects will be taken up in
various Areas like Dhanbad, Hazanbagh
etc. and the Adivasis will be displaced from
there in order to provide land for the projects.
Neither they are being paid any compensa-
tion nor any employment. The people who
land whose acquired became homeless.
Such major project have become a course
lor them. The Commission has been given
full authority to go into cases viz. Cases of
atrocities, socio-economic matters, matters
relating to reservation or other such discrimi-
nations. Some rights which have been left
and have been listed and the President, from
time to time

SHRI C.K. JAFFER SHARIEF (Banga-
lore North): We are happy to note the various
right. Being granted to them. I want to old that
they should be given the right to write confi-
dential reports so that they can work better.

SHRI RAM VILAS PAS WAN: All right
you have said a right thing and I said the
same thing before you came . At the same
time we are making provisions for taking
punitive measures against those officials
who violate these instructions. Apart this a
Committee has also been constituted under
the Chairmanship. of the Prime Minister. A
committee has also been formed at the
Secretarys' level. This Committee will moni-
tor progress after every three months. We
want to see that not a single seat is left
dereserved on 1 4 April, 1 991 , the day of Dr.
Ambedkars birth centinory. Not a single
backlog should be there. We are proceeding
with this objective in view. The previous
Government had claimed that they would fill
up the backlog within 3 months. If the back-
log could have been filled up within 3 months,
why that work could not be completed during
last 43 years? We have no apprehensions to
your intentions. When we learnt that this
work can be done within 3 months, our moral

get a boost and we set a target of 1 year to
accomplish the task. Quartly reviews will be
made one after the another for class I, class
II and class III posts and the number of
employees in each category vis-a-vis the
number of Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes among them will be worked out.
If the back log of posts in each category will
be worked out and action will be taken to fill
up all the reserved vacancies in each cate-
gory.

There are a number of other castes also
which have not been included in the list of
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.
As you are aware, earlier the laws were
being enaclied by a notification from the
President specifying that such and such
castes in a particular States belongs to
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.
For a subsequent amendments or for mak-
ing any addition or deletion in the Parlia-
ment.

Due to some reasons the previous
Government had taken decision that there
was no need of it. But when I took charge as
a Minister, I received many representations
from various states stating that the condition
of such and such castes was worst than that
of the scheduled castes in their area and
they had discriminated on the ground of
caste. It was stated that although these
caste belonged to Scheduled Tribes but due
to some reasons they have not been in-
cluded in the scheduled list. There is a gen-
eral complaint of the people that some castes
are included in scheduled caste in a particu-
lar district but not in other districts. Similarly,
tribes in a particular district have been in-
cluded in the list of Scheduled Tribes but not
in other districts. The State Government
have recommended to include them in the
lists of S.C./S.T. and the same has been
approved by the Registrar General of India.
We are preparing the list and before finalis-
ing it, we have asked the Chief Minister of the
States to reexamine the matter and furnish
the lists of the castes which have been left
out in order to facilitate us in taking decision
in the matter. Besides this, if hon. Members
have any additional information with them in

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[Sh. Ram Vilas Paswan]

respect of castes which deserve to be in-
cluded in the list of Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled tribes, their names should also
be sent. We will definitely look into it as I
promised earlier.

SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI
(Jhansi): Do you propose to complete this
task within one year?

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: We pro-
pose to complete this work by the end of
December this year but it can be done only
after receiving your suggestions in time.

SHRI RAJENDRA AGNIHOTRI : All
official machinery is in your hands. I want
that it should be completed under a time
bound programme. (Interruptbns)

SHRI HARBHAJAN LAKHA (Phillaur):
There is a general complaint that their con-
fidential reports are written by the officers
belonging to caste Hindi such as Brahmins
who are never fair to them in giving reports.
It is, therefore, suggested that a provision
should be made in this Bill to the effect that
officers belonging to none-other than that of
S.C./S.T. should write the confidential re-
ports of the employees belonging to Sched-
uled Castes and Scheduled Tribes.

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: We have
already taken decision in this regard that
appropriate representation would be given
to the people of the weaker sections of the
society and scheduled castes and sched-
uled tribes at the places where policy mat-
ters are dealt with and appointments and
promotions are made. We have already
taken this decision. Even then, it is not the
end of our goal. Now I beg to move the
motion for considerations of the Bill. Discus-
sion has to be taken on it also. If hon.
Members continue to raise their individual
queries then there will be no end of it. Hon.
Members of all parties will speak on it and
express their views. I will reply the points
raised by them.

[English]

There is a reply to the debate.

[Translation]

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Now, I
beg to move the motion for consideration oi
the Bill in the House.

SHRI CHHAVIRAM ARGAL (Morena):
Mr. Chairman, Sir, the situatin has assumed
such a pass that the people of Scheduled
Castes Scheduled Tribes are not getting
reservation in the Rajya Sabha, Legislative
Councils and in legislative Assemblies in
proportion to their population. Reservation
quota for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
Tribes is not being filled up even in the Lok
Sabha Secretariat, the President Secretar-
iat, the Vice-President Secretariat and the
Prime Minister office. When this is the situ-
ation in the offices located in the capital city
of Delhi, how can you ensure reservations in
other offices located at other places in the
country?

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: Mr. Chair-
man, Sir, similar views, as expressed bythe
hon. Member, have been expressed by some
hon. Members belonging to the Congress
Party and hon. Shri Hukumdeo Narayan
Yadav. There are no two opinions about it
that the Parliament is the supreme body and
the Government has no objection in bringing
a Bill on the line as suggested by the hon.
Members provided all the political parties
approve the proposal unanimously. So far
we have moved forward taking all the politi-
cal parties in confidence. Our position is just
like that of a cricket player who has to make
run as well as save the wickets also. So we
have no objection. The hon. Members are
requested to take up the matter with their
respective parties and obtain their concur-
rence. If all the political parties, be it the
Congress Party or the leftist parties or for
that matter any other political parties, agree
to the proposal, the Government has no
objection to bring a bill providing reservation
for the people belonging to S.C./S.T. in the
Rajya Sabha and the Vidhan Parishads. We

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t opinion that reservation should be
in private sector also and all or-
>ns which receive Government aids
stance. But in order to do it, unanim-
g the political parties is required.

tl CHHAVIRAM ARGAL: There
i be no basis of the announcement
deby the hon. Minister in the House,
no provision for reservation in the
sbha and other bodies. (Interrup-

CHAIRMAN: No, no. You please sit

(Interruptions)

CHAIRMAN: You have to sit down,
ly legs, you please sit down. There
a no more interruption. He will also
he debate. If all the questions are
d right now, there will be no need of
'. Do you want like that? Right now
>ukj be no interruptions till he con-
is speech. After that Member will be
, many questions will arise and the
m\\ give reply.

ion]

II CHHAVIRAM ARGAL: I want
on on one point only.

CHAIRMAN: No, you please sit
)t tike this.

tl RAM VILAS P ASWAN: Mr. Chair-
I appreciate the feeling of the hon.
His expectations are very high and
b high also. But it is not possible to
ings right in one stroke. It is only six
igo we came in power. How do you
om us to set the thing right within
ihort span? The Government has
id in this regard and we are pre-
take action on the suggestions of
Members and various political par-
will implement all our promises
our manifesto bit by bit. This bill is

aimed at providing constitutional status to
the Commission so that it could work more
effectively. With this hope I urge upon the
hon. Members to express their views rising
above party line and offer their concrete
suggestions as also lend their support to the
passage of the amending Bill. This bill was
first introduced in 1 978 but at that it was not
carried. Now after agapof 1 2 years, we have
brought this bill in a new form. I hope you will
obliged us by lending your support to this Bill.

[English]

MR. CHAIRMAN: There is an amend-
ment in the name of Shri Girdhari Lai Bhar-
gava. Is he moving his amendment?

SHRI GIRDHARI LAL BHARGAVA:
(Jaipur): Sir, I beg to move:

That the Bill be circulated for the pur-
pose of eliciting opinion thereon by the
31st August, 1990."

PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): Mr.
Chairman, Sir, the hon. Minister made some
reference at the very beginning of his speech.
I am afraid, he was under a misapprehen-
sion. It should not be understood that we are
opposed to these Bills, the last one or the
present one. We were opposed to the change
in the programme. The Session was sup-
posed to have ended by Friday last. We had
to agree with the Government for its exten-
sion so that these Bills also could be consid-
ered and passed. They were expected to
have been considered and passed earlier
and it could not be done. Then, they wanted
more time and we had to agree with them.
We did; but subject to certain conditions. We
stated here one of those conditions. We
asked them to place those papers on the
Table of the House and make it possible or
make it cashier and convenient for us all to
cooperate with the Government for the ex-
tension of the business of the House and its
duration for the consideration of all there
Bills. We were not supposed to be opposed
to these Bills. It is wrong for him to say that.

I did not say that.

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(68th Amend.) W

PROF. N.G. RANGA: So far as the Bills
are concerned, we are generally in favour of
them. That was the reason we were pre-
pared to cooperate with them. But, it is a
matter of extension of the Session beyond
the stated period. Therefore, we stipulated
this particular condition. This condition is
nothing new. Earlier we have been making
these demands. We wanted all those papers
to be placed on the Table of the House. The
Government said: 'relevant papers/ We said:
'no'. Then, they said some papers were
missing . Alright, make up those papers
whatever they are. But, please for 'God's
sake, place the whole lot of them on the
Table of the House. It is still possible for them
to do so. Otherwise, you would make it very
difficult for us and you you make it impos-
sible also for us, we do not know. But, we
have given them a prior warning. That is the
idea. Therefore, I do not want my hon. friend
or the House to be under the impression or
to away with the impression that we are
opposed to the extension of the various
privileges which the Government wishes to
extend to the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled
Tribes, Backward Classes and so on.

So far as this Bill is concerned, we are all
in favour of it. It is a pity that he has been
going on saying that so much time has been
lost. Who have been elected as members of
the backward classes, members of the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
Commission till now? Most of those mem-
bers belong to and hail from the backward
classes, Harijans and the Scheduled Castes.
Other people were being kept away or they
had themselves abstained from going into it.
But in spite of that, the Commission did not
have sufficient powers. That is the reason
why although they had been conducting very
many useful studies in regard to all those
places and all those incidents where these
unfortunate people were being treated very
badly, atrociously, in spite of those reports
and surveys having been made and reports
having been submitted to the Government,
the social condition of the unfortunate crores
of our people, tribal people as well as Har-
ijans have not improved. The recommenda-
tions made by this Commission have not

been implemented satisfactorily, eithe
the State Governments or by the Go\
ment of India. That is the reason why my
friends-so many of us on this side an
many on that side-have been clamo
and making the demand that this Con
sion should be given statutory status
necessary powers. And with the cooper
of the State Governments, in most a
and if need be, in certain cases, they ¥
be able to take necessary steps to re<
the grievances and also to minimise
sufferings of these unfortunate crores c
brethern in our country. We have been m
these demands. But somehow or othei
Harijan MLAs, our tribal MLAs and ourc
ent political parties-in spite of their
possible intention-because of various
sons including the pressure of work ir
House, we have not been able to tak
decision or the initiative. Now all the <
goes to my friend, Shri Paswan. He us
be here on this side, on the side o
Opposition earlier. I used to admin
passionate advocacy for the cause of I
people and I am glad he has found the
important position in this Governmen
has come forward with this Bill. We are
favour of this Bill. We would like it 1
passed. But that does not mean that w
too optimistic about its capacity to rend
needed services and to provide the ne
protection to these unfortunate people,
conditions can be improved provided
is a revolutionary change, salutary char
the minds of our masses. We have to
on that constructive work, that Gam
work. We are also Gandhians; they
claim to be Gandhians. But we hav<
been able to work in a Gandhian ma
with Gandhian spirit and earnestness in •
to raise these people.

What is more unfortunate is, event
educated people who hail from the tribe
well as from Harijan community hav<
been able to compete with us, if n
surpass, at least to work in step with i
working for the uplift of their own pe
There have not been many Ambedkz
Jagjivan Rams.

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(68th Amend.) Bill 126

> very unfortunate. We hope for their
►nee in larger number in times to
nd we hope those people who come
►pointed as Members of this Commis-
len the statutory status comes to be
y Parliament through this Constitu-
endment. they would also be able to
the foot steps of Dr. Ambedkar, Shri
n Ram or so many of our own public
Harijan leaders and tribal leaders.
ised to be Shri Jaipal Singh who used
ide leadership for the tribal people.
» in that hope and we hope other
>rs hailing from other communities
3ukJ be able to help our country to
i this blot on our society and on our
We condemn that apartheid there in
Africa. There has been apartheid here
wn villages. These people have been
nned for such a very long time and we
>t over it. It was Mahatma Gandhi who
the conscience, who tried his best
ely to rouse the conscience of our
here in our country. Not that there
o earlier people. There were people
. Ambedkar, Swami Vivekananda,
3s t Arya Samajists and to many other
il leaders. But it was Mahatma Gandhi
ade the salvaging, the upliftment. of
teople, a national problem and, what
, he made it a condition precedent for
nievement of our Swaraj. Many of
Congress stalwarts in those days used
mhappy about Mahatma Gandhi's
i in regard to this matter. In spite of it
>n today, there are areas where not
ese Harijan and tribal people, but
ackward class people are being ill-
and are being kept down. We have to
ove all these things. It needs a social
onomic revolution and political revo-
ilso. Somebody has been saying this
g. "If you dc not hasten to improve the
Dns of these people, they would them-
come and take up positions." A time
come when not one. two or three
ns or Ambedkars or Jagj'van Rams
be occupying tho Centre's front
»s but those people themselves would
ie front benches and drive the rest of
ito the other benches. I would wel-
hat but provided it is done in a non-

violent manner. It can be done inl an institu-
tionalised manner, non-violent manner, only
through this kind of a revolutionary yet evo-
lutionary legislation and also attitude. Mere
legislation is not enough. According to our
Constitution, they are welcome to come to
this House and to become Ministers. In spite
of it all, their condition continues to be just as
unsatisfactory as it has been for a very long
time. Therefore, the mind of the people, the
approach of our people, has to be changed
and can be changed and ought to be changed
by Parliament as well as the public and their
leaders.

I welcome this Bill.

[Translation]

SHRI CHHEDI PASWAN ( Sasaram):
Mr. Chairman Sir, with your permission. I
would like to put some question .. (Interrup-
tions)

[English]

MR. CHAIRMAN: Now the regular
debate will continue. Shri Santosh Bhartiya.

SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MURTHY
(Amalapuram): Since my name has been
called, please allow me to speak.

MR. CHAIRMAN: I have called you. But
I substituted Prof. N.G. Ranga in your place.
Thank you.

SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MURTHY:
He has made some observations. I am the
initiator of the debate. You must allow me to
speak.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Does he not belong to
your Party? Pleas sit down. You have to
understand this. Please understand this.

[ Translation]

SHRI SANTOSH BHARTIYA tFar-
rukhabad): Mr. Chairman. Sir, Shri Ranga is
the senior-most Member c f this House and in
this sense, he is the Bhishma Pitamah' of

1 27 Const.

MAY 28 ,1990

(68th Amend.) Bill

[Sh. Santosh Bhartiya]

this House. Today, the way he took the
cudget in support of the policy of the previ-
ous Congress Government in respect of
S.C./S.T., I am reminded of the agony and
inner conflict with which Bhishma of the
Mahabharta might have suffered. Shri Ranga
is a living example of honesty and self-less
service. For the last few years, he has been
in the ruling party buy for the most part of his
life, he had been in opposition. Even after 43
years of independence, the situation has not
improved in the villages where the people
belonging to Scheduled Castes still cannot
sit on a cot before a person belonging to
Caste Hindu. They are not allowed to draw
water from the common wells and separate
tea pots are kept for them at village tea-stalls
and they are asked to wash the tea-pots
themselves despite making payment for the
tea served to them. In this society, which we
have inherited from the old generation like
Shri Ranga, atrocities ai e still being commit-
ted on the women folk of the people belong-
ing to Scheduled Castes. Everybody cases
of atrocities on the weaker sections are
reported in the newspapers. When the people
belonging to S.C.'S.T. go to lodge FIR to
Pohce Station, reports are not lodged. On
ths contrary, they are lodged in the police
foe* up and sent to jails. There has been
■ K «.'i \\co of sending the people belonging to
v.- • tf.M section to jails without any rhyme or
at iscn so that their services could be utilised
fo- cleaning the jail premises. For the iast 42
years, this has been continuing in our society
and still we do not have much hope of
improvement. I think there is no need to take
more examples to show how the people
belonging to upper castes have exploited
the weaker sections for their own interests.

Besides this, the funds released from
the Centre during the last 41 years for the
Scheduled Castes ano weaker sections have
not reached to them. I would like to know
where the funds have gone . Who have been
benefited from the schemes launched for
them. How many of them have got scholar-
ships. Who got benefit of the facilities granted
to thum'and employment provided under

those schemes'' Wn! anyone else ever
accountable for it 9 Who wilt bear the re
sibilrty for this. But one day we will he
reply these questions. When I hear wo
praise from a senior Member of the H
like Shri Ranga, I feel distressed. I
thinking whether I am sitting in the *K
Sabha'. I am distressed because such 1
have been uttered by a person whe
been a freedom fighter. May be I s
bitter, but I am just trying to convey it thi
you that the backward and the weake
tions do not even enjoy facilities like dri
water, roads and hospitals which ar
basic requirements. As many as 9S
them do not have houses to live in. V\
responsible for this situation? Even t<
the evil practice of carrying night soil on
has been continuing in our country,
previous Government did nothing to
nate this evil practice. Who is responsit
this system? In many parts of the coi
the people belonging to weaker sectio
not allowed even to take out barat pn
sions. Not only this, there have been c
in which the brides were prevented
consummating their marriages and enj
honeymoon with their husbands. I woul
to ask who is responsible for all this pc
has afflicted to our society like leper 1
body. Had they ever supported a s
movement launched during the last 40
to fight against these social evils?

Sir. the harijans were disposed o
for which 'Puttas' were granted to 1
When they tried to resist, they were no
beaten but mass killings were made,
villages were burnt down and police h
thee minals. I do agree that this exploi
has bt en going on for centuries, but th<
against this social injustice, which s
have been started after the independ
was not started. Instead of repenting i
atrocities committed by them, the p
who were instrumental in perpetrating
crimes on them are now saying thai
don't have any hope from this Bill. The i
superiority and feeling of high an
nurtured by them over the centuries
them to utter such words. I would like
you that the bonded labourers ger

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(68th Amend.) Bill 130

from the people belonging to Sched-
Pastes, Scheduled Tribes and weaker
►ns only, not from the caste Hindi such
akur and Brahmin. I do not want to say
ing more in this regard as it may agitate
We have to atone the sin which has
committed by others in the last 40
. Today, through this Amending Con-
xi Bill, we are trying to rectify the wrong
over centuries. This social injustice
have been fought back long long ago.
» speech, Shri Ranga has repeatedly
I that we had to carry out a social
ition in this regard. He is the senior-
Member of this House and is almost at
g end of his life . I would like to know why
I not start this social revolution in these
3 years? To whom you are saying this?
ue that I am not narrating all the facts,
o not intend to hurt anyone. However,
ions like Bhajan Lai felt hurt, this made
ippy because these are the people who
^sponsible for the victimisation of the
er sections. I know that this Commis-
s not going to bring any revolution, but
small step in giving boost to the down
&n to fight for their rights. This Commis-
nay not prove the sun or the moon, but
certainly prove a flickering star to give
light to the downtrodden in gropping
tfay in the darken.

The way he tried to justify the thin in the
ing pained me very much. They are
mailing us on a matter concerning the
re of Harijans. This attitude on their part
understandable. If you do not agree to
j are free to say so. You are in opposi-
you have every right to obtain papers
i you like from the Government, but it is
roper to disrupt the proceeding of the
e which is engaged in a discussion on
ter concerning the welfare of the Sched-
Dastes and Scheduled Tribes

sheer blackmail on an issue concern-
e poor and the weaker sect ions. It is the

kind of blackmail ever seen. It means
ou are in favour of continuing the atroci-
eing

Ihrs.

jtrated on them for the last forty years.

I am happy that the whole House and for that
matter the whole country and the press are
a witness to the worst kind of black mail
being practised by them. They should know
that blackmail is an oftence under the consti-
tution of India but they are openly blackmail-
ing us on this issue. Sir, I am pained to see
it.

Before I conclude, I would like to submit
that I have a high regard for the veteran
parliamentarian to whom I referred to above
as the symbol of the previous regime. I or he
may not be in the next Parliament but a
tradition should be created for the guidance
of cur future generation that on the occa-
sions like this, one should speak the truth
rising above one party affiliations. Truth is
always a truth, it does not belong to one or
the other party. I, therefore, urge upon the
Members of the Congress Party to let this Bill
passed without putting any condition what-
soever. With this request, I resume and beg
pardon of the hon. Member whom I symbol-
ised as the symbol of the previous regime.

SHRI RESHAM LAL JANGDE (Bi-
laspur): Mr. Chairman, Sir, the Constitution
came into force in 1950. Dr. Ambedkar and
sponsored the Bill on reservation for Sched-
uled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, at that
time and the policy was to remain in force for
a period of ten years. Unfortunately, though
forty years have passed since then, we have
failed to achieve what should have been
achieved within ten years. So far, Rs. 20,000
crores have been officially spent on the
Scheduled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes
and I feel that not even Rs. 1 ,000 crores out
of that amount has reached them. This is the
reason why districts like Bastar, Sarguja,
Palamau, Kalahandi and Bolangir even to-
day remind us of the days of yore.

17.03 hrs.

[MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chait]

Even today, the people in these districts
roam around in scanty clothes. Their own
resources are being misused to exploit them.
Large scale migration from rural areas is
taking pJace and a majority of the migrants

131 Const,

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(68th Amend.) BUI 132

[Sh. Resham Lai Jangde]

belong to the Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled T f ibes. They dwell in Jhuggis alongside
the city's sprawling and glittering roads and
one can find thousands of them working as
bonded labourers. The Labour Ministry is
playing hide and seek with them. Untold
stories of their sufferings and misery are
hushed up afnd we are kept in the dark about
them. Thousands of people belonging to the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
coming from the Chattisgarh regions are
leading hellish lives as bonded labourers in
Uttar Pradesh and Delhi.

I want to say that we talk a lot about the
upliftment of Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes, but when it comes to practice,
even the presentation of the reports of the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
Commission is delayed by three-four years.
In the last forty years, not even a single State
Assembly took up this report for discussion.
Leave alone the State Assemblies, even this
august House has never taken up for discus-
sion the report of the Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes Commission since 1 950. 1
have to say this with utmost distress. From
1952 to 1962, I was a Congress Party M.P.
of this very House. Even during those days,
this report was never taker up for discus-
sion. Though repeated assurances are given
by the Union Home Ministry about checking
the oppression, harassment and atrocities
unleashed on the Scheduled Castes the
Scheduled Tribes, when it comes to sharing
the blame, it passes on the buck to the State
Governments. The State Governments treat
us contemptuously. As a result, incidents of
atrocities and harassment and increasing
day by day. I do not want to dig old graves,
but I would like to bring to your notice certain
things. More than half the expenditure in-
curred on Tribal Sub-plans and Harijan
component plan is met by the Central Gov-
ernment, but no attention has been paid
regarding the proper utilisation of these funds
by the State Governments for the implemen-
tation of these plans. Has the Scheduled
Castes Commissioner even given a report
with reference to the utilisation of the funds

allocated for Harijan component plan? After
all, as the hon. Shri Ram Vilas Paswan has
said, what arethe reasons for the diversions,
delay and lapse of crores of rupees kept
apart for Harijan Component Plan, io almost
every state? Shri Paswan is a personifica-
tion of the values and principles that Baba-
saheb stood for and I sincerely hope that his
services would take him to new heights and
he would excel Dr. Ambedkar. The need of
the hour is that the Central Government
should be made accountable for the imple-
mentation of Harijan Component Plan and
Tribal Sub-plans. The State Governments,
whether they are headed by the Janata Dal
or the Congress Party are most unreliable,
when it comes to the implementation c**ne
Welfare Schemes for the Scheduled C: '$.
For the past forty years, we have !•- *
observing that the Central Governmc •» s
not at all accountable for the implex i; a
of the Harijans Component Plan and T ^
Sub-Plans, even when it involves central
funds. Henceforth, the Central Government
should be made accountable for it and the
Members of Parliament should be allowed to
raise questions in the Parliament regarding
the implementation of the Harijan compo-
nent plan and Tribal Sub-plans, irrespective
of their being Central or State subjects.

To give an example, no steps have
been taken in any district across the country
to implement 'Jaldhara Scheme*. Though
crores of rupees kept for this, have been
diverted, no one has paid any attention to it
so far. Similarly, even today, hundreds of
Harijan villages across the country do not
have water enough to tend this fields. Har-
ijan villages do not have motorable roads
and the money allocated for this purpose by
the Central Government do not reach them.
In this regard, I would like to ask you to take
effective steps in this direction. Mere pres-
entation of Scheduled Caste Commissioner's
report would not do. The upliftment of the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
are possible, only of you find ways and
means to solve their manifold problems I
would like to say here that poverty cannot be
alleviated by reservations alone.

133 Const.

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(68th Amend.) BUI 134

Migration to cities are still continuing.
What steps do you propose to take to check
to monopoly of trade and industry by a
handful of multimillionaires business houses,
which is proving to be a bottleneck in the
development of the Scheduled Castes and
the Scheduled Tribes? Poverty alleviation is
impossible unless and until job reservations
are made in the industrial sector, whether
they be private or public sector. Such provi-
sions should be made so as to help them
escape from the clutches of poverty. It is said
that the bigger fishes eat the smaller fishes.
Similarly, the well-off among the Scheduled
Castes and also among the general cate-
gory exploit their brethern for their personal
advancement. Well-off people among the
Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribes
Communities like the Kevats and Dheemars,
who hold high positions in the Government,
comer all the benefits kept aside for back-
ward classes. There are many such Sched-
uled Castes and Scheduled Tribes whose
conditions have not changed even after forty
years of independence. Even today, they
are treated like slaves and no one seems to
be concerned about them. I would like the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
Commission to look after the welfare of such
Scheduled Castes and the backward classes
as it would enable us to walk together on the
path of socialism, otherwise the upliftment of
the Scheduled Castes would remain a dis-
tant dream.

Regarding suppression and atrocities, I
would I ike to state that the Scheduled Castes
Commissioner should be given the authority
to investigate under the Commission of
Enquiry Act. The Commissioner should be
given the authority to collect evidence, con-
duct enquiry and present its report to the
administration and the Home Ministry should
take the necessary initiative and act as a co-
ordinator. I am not bothered about the crea-
tion of a separate Ministry for this purpose,
but strong and effective measures should be
taken to check the atrocities perpetrated on
the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes,
and also improve their standard of living. It
would serve no purpose if a separate Minis-
try is created and if Home Ministry does not

co-ordinate with it. It would prove beneficial
only If there is effective co-ordination be-
tween the two ministries. After this, I would
like to say that the Central Government
should make special provisions for the de-
velopment of districts like Bastar, Koraput,
Mandla, Sarguja, Palmau, Kalahandi, etc.,
which have remained backward for centu-
ries. Although, they are not centrally admini-
stered territories, the Union Government
should pay special attention towards it as
otherwise, these areas would remain back-
word by centuries, while the rest of the
country makes progress. While we would be
enjoying the fruits of development, the people
in these areas would be leading a hellish life.
Irrespective of the pace of development,
those who toil would continue to toil, con-
tinue to be oppressed and would remain
backward, while those who have made prog-
ress would make further progress.

In this regard, I would like to say one
more thing, that is, the presentation of the
report of this Commission every year in the
Parliament and the State Assemblies should
be made obligatory, The State Government
should furnish the necessary information
and reports sought by the Commission, within
a time bound programme. Today, the situ-
ation is such that the State Government do
not furnish the necessary information upto
three or four years. It should be made consti-
tutionally obligatory on the part of the State
Governments to furnish the information
sought by the Commission. At the moment,
there is no such provision. Secondly, the
report of the Commission should be pre-
sented every year and rt should be taken up
for discussion. The 1990-91 report should
be taken up for discussion in 1 991 -92 itself.
It would serve no purpose if like stale food,
the report is presented and taken up for
discussion after four years of its preparation.

I would like to mention one more thing
here. There are many drawbacks in the
existing reservation policy-Candidates be-
longing to the Scheduled Castes and Sched
uled Tribes get their interview cards four
days after the interview. There are many
other loopholes too. The confidential report

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[Sh. Resham Lai Jangde]

of the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe
employees are deliberately spoiled without
any rhyme or reason, just in order to debar
them from further promotions. While those
belonging to the Scheduled Castes and
Scheduled Tribes are sent on loop line, other
employee after sent on stream line. Who is
going to be accountable for all this? The
State Governments do not realize their re-
sponsibility, rather they take it as their liabil-
ity. To make speeches on it is one thing but
to put it into practice is something else. How
many of the Members of Parliament and
State Assemblies have got the cases regis-
tered against practice of untouchability at
their own initiatives? There is hardly any
Member who has done so. They think that if
they do so, they may lose the votes of the
people belonging to general category. So
they are afraid of taking initiatives in the
matter. If they have courage, they should
take initiative do get the cases registered
against practice of untouchability and chal-
lans issued against the offenders. They
should fight against such elements. But very
few Members of Parliament have courage
and conviction to do so. I would like to
appeal all the Members of the Parliament to
take initiative in this regard. I would like to
know the number of cases registered in this
regard during the last 40 years after inde-
pendence. Ithink that there willbe hardly any
village in the country where untouchability
has not been practised. So long as the
politics of vote-catching is there, things will
not improve.

*SHRI MATILAL HANSDA (Jhargram):
Sir, I rise to support this Bill which has been
broughtforth by the Hon. Minister, Shri Ram
Vilas Paswan for the welfare of Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes people. While
supporting it, I will like to place a few things
before this House. The progress and im-
provement of the Condition of our SC & ST
people is very necessary in the interest of the
over all social, economic, cultural and politi-
cal development of the whole country. One

class of people of our country are trying to
move forward by trampling upon these un-
fortunate people. But that is not possfcle. in
the language of poet Tagore ! will say, "he
whom you have thrown down, is pulling you
down too; and whom you have kept back-
ward is also pulling you back (preventing you
from making any progress). The progress of
the country means the progress of all the
people living there in. It does not mean
increasing enjoyment of all types of benefits
by a handful of people of the upper state of
society, who have already concerned all the
benefits.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know that in
many States like Bihar Uttar Pradesh,
Madhya Pradesh, Orissa etc. beastly atroci-
ties have been committed on the Scheduled
Castes and Scheduled Tribes and they are
continuing even now. In 1969 the number of
barbaric atrocities committed on the Sched-
uled Castes and the Scheduled Tribes people
all over the country were 1 2,687 and 3404
respectively. These atrocities were commit-
ted by an large by caste Hindus. The anti-
social elements perpetrated many heinous
crimes against them and even robbed the
honourand chastity of their womenfolk under

the instigation of rick land owners. The houses
of these poor people were burnt down and
they were dispossessed of whatever little
land they had. Such heart-rending incidents
are known to all the Hon. members of this
House. Whenever stern administrative ac-
tion were sought to be taken against these
anti-social elements, who had the secret
support of some political parties like the
Congress etc., efforts have bren made by
these political parties to hush up the cases.
This is very despicable. I strongly condemn
such act.s Everybody should condemn such
two-faced policy of the Congress and their
political parties.

Sir, the adivasis the tribals the so-called
tow-caste people raged incessant struggle
against the British imperialists sacrificing
their own lives. Heroic stories about them
are heard all over the country. But after

'Translation of the speech originally delivered in Bengali.

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(68th Amend.) BUI 138

independence these hopless people have
not gained anything, there has no been any
improvement in their condition. As a reward
of their sacrifice they have get only disap-
pointment, exploitation, deceit and hatred.
The Govt, of India has enacted some legis-
lations against the practice of untouchability.
Under Art. 1 7 of the Constitution untouch-
ability is prohibited. Anybody practising
untouchability shall be punished. The pro-
tection of civil Rights Act was passed in

1955. That was further amended in 1976.
The objective was laudable, no doubt. But a
legislation only symbolises a good intention.
A marked lack of enthusiasm and good in-
tention has been observed in all the States
among those whose duty it was to implement
and enforce these legislations. For instance,
the Indian Succession Act was passed in

1956, but inspite of that many people are
reluctant to give a share of their property to
their daughters. Similarly many law enforc-
ing agencies do not show any duty-con-
sciousness to enforce the Protection of Civil
Rights Act. Hence what is needed, is a
committed administration and a committed
administration can be built up by the political
leadership. As an Adivasi myself, I have
found a shining example of that in West
Bengal. It is admitted by all that the people of
West Bengal are politically advanced. Under
the leadership of the left front there people
do not create barriers among themselves on
the basis of caste, creed, religion language
etc. They look upon every man as a human
being. As a result of such committed political
leadership, there the Government officers
entrusted with administrative responsibili-
ties have to work as protectors of the law and
not its destroyers. But we have not seen
such instances in Bihar and in other parts of
the country in the past. Whenever atrocities
were committed on the SC&ST people there,
the Government officials made a deal with
the perpetrators of such crimes at the cost of
the victims. Hence I believe that a socially
conscious, strong willed ad political well in-
tentioned leadership only can create a so-
cio-political culture in society which will be
able to bring about an upliftment and real
progress of the unfortunate SC & ST people.
In West Bengal the so called high caste

people do not have a feeling of separation
towards the SC & ST people. They are not
looked down upon For creating such a situ-
ation what is needed is education and social
and political consciousness. I request all the
hon. members to make efforts for the spread
of education among these people and for the
creation of a social and political culture.
Otherwise the more enactment of legislation
will not solve the problem. That is why even
after the enactment of the Scheduled Castes
and the Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of
atrocities) Act, in 1989 the atrocities on the
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribe
people are continuing in different parts of the
country. Only the other day in U.P. a Sched-
uled Caste family was attacked and some
people wee killed. The Hon. Prime Minister
was saying that day that on the day of the Lok
Sabha elections in 1 989, a Scheduled Caste
person was polling agent in a booth in his
constituency. But he was killed the very next
day. This type of misfortune does not befall
any SC & ST person in West Bengal. There
not only male adivasis are in position as
village Pradhans and Chairmen of Panchayat
Samitis, but women adivasis are also found
holding the position of village Pradhans.

With the improvement in their economic
condition, the atrocities on the SC & ST will
come down and not only that, they them-
selves will be more conscious about their
rights and freedom. The funds given by the
Centre to the States in the Five Year Plans
for the welfare and upliftment of the SC & ST
people, have not been fully spent by most of
the States for this purpose. When want of
funds creates obstacles in the process of
developmental work, I fail to understand why
available funds are remaining unspent. This
is because either the states do not have
adequate machinery for the purpose or they
lack good intention of actually benefitting
these weaker sections. I, therefore, suppori
the proposal of setting up a National Com-
mission as provided in the Constitution (Sixty-
Eighth Amendment) Bill, 1990. I hope this
Commission will be able to monitor whether
the States are properly spending the funds
provided to them for the welfare of SC & ST.
Moreover the members of the Commission

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(68th Amend.) Bill 140

[Sh. Matilal Hansda]

should be able to make new suggestions in
the light of their practical experience in the
field for making the welfare measures more
effective.

hor real welfare of the SC & ST people,
they have to be given actual right to land. For
all the land, that has become vested, the
landless SC & ST people shall have to be
restored full right and control over that land.
I will urge all the Hon. Members to look to the
achievements of West Bengal. Sir, the
amount of land distributed among the lan-
dless poor in West Bengal is half of the total
land distributed in the whole country only
Kerala and Tripura has shown some prog-
ress in the distribution of vested land. Other
States have fallen behind. This is due to lack
of good intention and political will on their
part. I will request the Hon. Minister to ar-
range for a strict watch on the State Govern-
ments by the Centre. The National Front
Government has expressed its good inten-
tion of carrying out land reforms by amend-
ing the Constitutions. I am very happy about
it. I demand that this may be expedited.

The proposed national commission
should ensure that the SC & ST people who
work as daily wage labourers in different
States, get the just and minimum wages.
The workers themselves are not very alert
and conscious in this matter. The Commis-
sion should assist them. In West Bengal the
adivasis and landless labourers have been
able to bargain for somewhat higher wages
through agitations. But in other States such
agitations and movements are not very
strong, and in many places there are no such
movements at all at present. Therefore the
National Commission should keep a watch
and see that with launching of such agita-
tions for better wages in those places they
may not be tortured mercilessly as we find in
Bihar. Orissa, U.P., M.P. etc. Vigilance is the
key, to the establishment and protection of
rights. The Govt, of India should declare
minimum wages for the labourers engaged
in agriculture and construction work etc.

where mostly SC & ST people are employed.
The Adivasis live in forests for generations
and find their means of livelihood from the
forest products. They have been deprived of
their income from the forests in many cases.
At many places they have been deprived of
their land also, unscrupulous people have
purchased their land through fraudulent
methods. The Govt, should consider how
the land can be restored to the SC & ST
people through enactment of special legisla-
tion etc. For higher education of the SC & ST
people special provisions like grant of schol-
arships etc. are there. But along with this
more importance should be given to their
primary education. Many superstitions are
prevalent among these people and many of
their activities are based on superstition.
These should be removed. For freeing them
from these superstitious beliefs, committed
and devoted teachers are needed. It must be
ensuredthat nobody remains illiterate. In our
Constitutions, in the Directive principles of
State Policy, provision has been made for
compulsory education of boys and girls upto
14 years of age. The Central Government
should follow the Constitutional provision in
this respect and try to educate all our people
at all levels. I will like that maximum Stress
may be put on primary education for success
in this field.

I will request the Govt, that in the ap-
pointment of the members of the National
Commission, priority must be given to their
sense of duty, dedication, sense of social
values and their commitment for the prog-
ress of the society. They must not be ap-
pointed to this important position due to the
support of any political party. In fact a provi-
sion to this effect should have been made in
the Bill itself. However, in the matter of
appointment these things should be kept in
mind.

I once again extend my support to this
Bill and with that I conclude.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr. Ram
Sajiwan, your party has been allotted four
minutes time.

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(68th Amend.) Bill 142

SHRI RAM SAJIWAN (Banda): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for provid-
ing me time for four minutes. I rise to support
the Constitutional (Amendment) Bill for the
Welfare of Scheduled Castes and Sched-
uled Tribes people. Only this much can be
said in the time at my disposal. But I am to
make some more points. No doubt, a num-
ber of good legislations have been made for
Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes
but their implementation is not effective. We
apprehend that the present legislation may
also meet the same fate. Still we hope that
with the tempo with which hon. Minister has
brought this Bill, a new era is expected to he
raid and these laws would be effectively
implemented. Therefore, with this belief in
minds, we are to move forward and support
1 However more expeditiousness is required
in the matter. The reservation quota meant
for them are not fulfilled. The hon. Minister
has said that he would get it filled within one
year. It is a good thing because by doing so
he would be completing a task which was not
completed by them in 40 years. The hon.
Minister deserves to be congratulated for
this. Due to faulty land reforms laws, people
belonging to weaker sections are not given
possession of the land for which pattas are
granted to them. Even if possession of the
land is given to them, crops raised on the
land are destroyed and they are even dis-
possessed of the land given to them for
constructing houses for them. There sorts of
atrocities are being committed on them. In
order to check these atrocities, you have to
take stern measures and I hope you will not
find yourself lacking on this score. You have
to fight against the powerful sections of the
Society who put hindrance in the develop-
ment and upliftment of Harijans, as this is the
^ain problem. Hence you have to make
'tiore vigorous efforts for this. The other day,
^ discussion was held in the House about the
dumber of Indian Ambassadors abroad be-
longing to the Harijan community. I would
like to know the number of persons belong-
ing to the Scheduled Caste and Scheduled
Tribes appointed as Ambassadors and
Governors. If a legislation is made providing
for 20 to 25% reservation for them in matters
of appointment of Ambassadors and Gover-

nors, we will welcome such legislation. If you
have guts and are interested in urshering in
new era, you bring such legislation. How
many Vice-Chancellors of Universities have
been appointed amongst the persons be-
longing to SC/ST? That is why I am laying
stress on connected efforts to improve the lot
of these people. There are educated and
honest persons in our community. They are
capable of shouldering such responsibili-
ties. At present, Mr. Paswan is in a position
to do such things through constitutional
changes. We wiit support him if he takes
steps to usher in new era in the country. But
in order to achieve this goal, he is not to
contend with trivial changes only but he will
have to bring revolutionary changes in the
Constitution.

SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN: If you
have some idea, pleas elaborate it.

SHRI RAM SAJIWAN: The people be-
longing to SC/ST should be appointed Vice-
Chancellors, Governor and to the other high
posts as also reservation of seats in the
Rajya Sabha and the Vidhan Parishads be
provided for them. All of use including the
C.P.I., will support it. But if you don't do all
this, we would be forced to expose you. You
should boldly take such measures. There
are many persons on your side who are bent
upon the retrograde it. Therefore, I would like
to emphasize that the Harijan will get justice
only if you take firm, honest and revolution-
ary steps. They could do little for harijans
during the last 42 years. How are your saying
that you will do all things for them in one
year? K is good if you do it even within five
years. We will continue to support you. We
would not let you fall We too have to see
whether you do it or not. Words alone are
useless. Therefore, I would like to warn you
that you should take some firm steps. When-
ever any atrocities are committed on Har-
ijans in any state, a report is obtained. The
report is prepared by the concerned police
Inspector who tries to hush up that case.
This report is submitted to the Central Gov-
ernment through State Government. What
action is taken by you on the report?

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out of cyclonic storm 1 44
in Bay of Bengal etc.

SHRI RAM VILAS PAS WAN: What can
we do when the laws are so?

SHRI RAM SAJIWAN: What for you are
sitting in the Government when laws are so?
Laws are violated, this what I am saying.

SHRI RAM VILAS PAS WAN: Better ask
Basu Sahib in this regard.

SHRI RAM SAJIWAN: First of all, you
should get prepared and the entire House,
the majority would be with you, if you come
forward courageously. This is all I am to say,
and now I conclude while supporting it.

17.33 hrs.

DISCUSSION UNDER RULE 193

Situation arising out of the cyclon ic storm
In the Bay of Bengal and the relief meas-
ures undertaken by the Central Govern-
ment and Governments of Andhra
Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Union Territory
of Pondicherry

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The House
shall now take up discussion under Rule 1 93
on the situation arising out of the cyclonic
storm in the Bay of Bengal and the relief
measures undertaken by the Central and
State Governments concerned.

Shri PC Thomas — not present.

Shri K.S. Rao.

SHRI K.S. RAO (Machilipatnam): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir, at least, I think, after 20
days after the serious devastation that oc-
curred in Andhra Pradesh — it occurred on
the 9th of this month — that this House could
give us some time to discuss the matter.
(Interruptions) After 20 days, we are dis-
cussing it. Four days back, I was insisting on
discussing this matter under Rule 193. In
fact, all the members from Andhra Pradesh

were aggrieved that this matter could not be
discussed for 20 days. There is a saying that
unless a child cries for milk, the mother does
not give him milk. We have been giving
notices right from the 1 0th of this month. But
it could not come to the mind of either the
Business Advisory Committee or the Gov-
ernment to allow this matter to be discussed
in the House. The Government should not
take into account how many members an
there in the Congress Party from Andhra
Pradesh; the Government must take into
account the feelings of the people of Andhra
Pradesh. Had the Minister taken serious
note of the devastation that had occurred in
Andhra Pradesh — He himself had expressed
it in the note that he gave the other day— I am
sure, every member of the House would
have understood how serious it was. I will
quote only one. If the newspapers and the
Government were to give the number of
deaths, they started with 30, then it went on
to 409, 50 and so on up to 1 000 now. After 20
days, obviously, we can understand that
there are still areas which are inaccessMe
and the number of people died could not be
accounted for, till today. The cyclone was
there for only one day. If it had continued for
some days I can understand their going on
increasing the number of deaths. There is
some meaning if such reports go on coming.
But the cyclone was there of only one day
and the reports of deaths are continuing to
come even today.

SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHARY
(Jagatsinghpur): That is the State Govern-
ment's work.

SHRI K.S RAO: The gravity of the cy-
clone and the pathetic situation of the people
can be well imagined by the fact that several
areas were inaccessible for quite a long
time. That is why we were making an uproar
in the house on the other day. I therefore
request the hon. members not to misunder-
stand us.

I do not want to repeat the statistics
given by the hon. Minister himself. More than
a crore of people have been afreded by *•
Almost all the coastal districts have been

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Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

affected completely, and people along 1 000
km of the coast line have been affected. The
loss of property is, even unimaginable and
even on governmental account it has been
very heavy, which is possibly unheard of in
the history of this country. About the property
lost, it is pathetic state to see it.

The worst affected by the cyclone were
the people who were living near the coast,
especially the poor people in particular, and
those of the farming community. The poor
people have lost what all they have got, their
household articles, utensils etc. I do not
know how many years it will take for them to
cover and procure the small things which
they have lost now. The Government should
never think in terms of rupees when it comes
to the question of providing help to the af-
fected, people — whether it is the utensils or
whether it is shelter or anything else be-
cause it may take months and years for the
poor people to recover from the loss.

It is of course the duty of the State
Governments as Mr. Loknath Choudhary
has said. When the hon. Prime Minister
himself, having seen the gravity of the situ-
ation was asked in my constituency, Machili-
patnam to declare it as a national calamity,
he said that, having seen the devastation
caused, "I do not think that there will be any
other calamity which can be called a national
calamity.** So, we do not have to emphasised
that it is a national calamity and it has been
accepted by the Prime Minister himself and
the disaster has been total. There is no point
in saying that the State Government has to
look after all these people. Everyone of use
knows that when it comes to our State, our
own constituency we turn to the Central
Government for help and we will say that the
Government of India should help them. But
everyone of us will also agree that the dev-
astation caused is so vast that it will not be
possible for the State Government alone to
come to the rescue of the entire people and
the Central Government must help them in
every respect including providing financial
assistance to the State Governments.

We are certainly grateful to the Prime

Minister who has announced a relief of Rs.
86 crores. But all we wanted to impress was
that this figure is according to the report of
the Ninth Finance Commission. This recom-
mendation was made by the Ninth Finance
Commission in their report. But that is only a
provision made not taking into account the
seriousness of the national calamity it is a
normal figure provided when a normal cy-
clone or flood or drought occurs. But such
assistance should not be limited to the pro-
vision made by the Finance Commission's
recommendation only. So, while we thank
the Prime Minister for the assistance that as
given, having come to the rescue of the
people, I want to say that it is no place to the
people. We request that the whole House
should come to the rescue of the people
affected by the cyclone and to bring pressure
on the Government to come to the rescue of
the affected people and to provide them their
essential and basic requirements. Every one
of us know the pathetic conditions of these -
poor people.

I would like to make a few points in
regard to the farming community. The farm-
ing community in the coastal belts invariably
is far from the civilised society. The accessi-
bility is much less in some of those parts.
They live almost in seclusion.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: How much
time do you need? Your Party has 41 min-
utes. I have a list of ten people to speak. You
have already taken eight minutes.

SHRI K.S. RAO: I will take a little more
time. The farming community has lost every-
thing there, and particularly in my area. There
are two crops of paddy which is being culti-
vated. The first crop was also lying in teh
fields as a he ap and the second crop has
come. Later the cyclone had come before
they took away the paddy from the fields. So,
they lost both the crops. In some parts,
paddy is lying after harvesting in a bad shape
which is to be taken by the FCI or some
millers. As the FCI had not come forward to
purchase their paddy, they could not oppose
it of. Also they did not have enough time, so,
they lost both their crops. The condition of

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out of cyclonic storm 148
in Bay of Bengal etc.

[Sh. K.S. Rao]

the farmer in that part is, if you were to get 30
bags of paddy or two tonnes of paddy, one
and a half tonnes goes towards expenditure
and the net income to the farmer is only one
third of total crop yield. That means, if one
crop goes, he will become bankrupt for two
crops. It takes two years for him to recover.
In one year if he loses two crops, then it will
take four years to recover for him. This
aspect has to be looked into. He should not
be treated like a businessman or an industri-
alists. So, the farmer must be understood
properly. He is not getting the crop insurance
properly. Crop Insurance also applies one if
the crop fails. There is no provision for such
calamities in the crop insurance. The Crop
Insurance Act must be amended in such a
manner that the people who loss the crops
like this also must be compensated. We had
requested the FCI to open local centres
immediately for purchasing some of these
paddy, which is discoloured, wet and even
germinating sometimes. With the hope that
FCI will come and purchase their paddy,
they are still keeping the paddy in their fields.
FCI, though promised but not in a substantial
way. So, more promise, as I said last time,
would not help the farming community.

Similar is the case of poultry people.
Sixty lakhs of poultry were dead and the
insurance people had not gone there. The
poultry farmers are keeping the dead birds
under the fear that if they are not physically
shown, to the insurance people they will not
repay. This is leading to epidemic. The smell
is unimaginable and it is stinking. Nobody
can go anywhere near it. Fortunately or
unfortunately the dead cattle were removed.
But these are lying there causing health
hazards. So, I wantthehon. Minister to direct
the Insurance Companies togotothe rescue
of these people and make a survey immedi-
ately.

In regard to self-employed personnel, I
do not want to emphasise once again the
same condition.

villages today. It is polluted. They do not
have water. Water is being carried for miles
together. So, immediate arrangements have
to be made to get underground water for
drinking purposes at least, if not for other
purposes.

I want to suggest some permanent
measures which are to be taken immediate!/
so that this can be tackled. The Government
must find out the reason why cyclones are
coming continuously, particularly in coastal
areas. Almost every year we are getting
cyclones. This is the experience for the last
several years, particularly for the last ten
years.

To save the human lives, every village
must be provided with three or four cyclone
shelters so that human lives can be saved in
such an eventuality.

There is another thought. If at least 300
to 400 metres wide area adjacent to the sea
coast is developed with tall trees, then the
devastation due to cyclone which comes at
a speed of 250 kph can be minimised.

Similarly, there is proposal on the part
of the Government of India to construct
coastal roads. This coastal road can be ot
use if it is constructed at least 6 to 1 metres
high to prevent tidal waves or sea water
entering into the villages of the coastal ar-
eas.

If these permanent measures are to be
taken, though we cannot prevent cyclones,
at least, we can save the live of human
beings, property, cattle and other things. So
this may be given a serious thought.

Finally, I once Again request the hon.
Minister to declared immediately— though
the Minister has gold me personally, it is not
officially declared — as a national calamity
and assistance must be given treating it as a
national calamity and the State must be
given immediate assistance so that the
people have immediate relief.

Drinking water is not available in the

As several of my friends are there to tell

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Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

other points, I conclude by saying that the
one Ham Radio which has helped to a very
great extent in reducing the calamity. It is a
professional radio and not a governmental
organisation which is doing almost free serv-
ice. It does not cost anything. But the service
rendered by Ham Radio is enormous. I wish
the hon. Minister to go into the details and
assist that Ham Radio, those professional
who work voluntarily in such eventualities,
go to the villages and warn all the villages
through wireless and other things.

[Translation]

•SHRI BH. VUAYAKUMAR RAJU
(Narasapur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the
cyclonic storm on 9th apd 1 0th of this month
has affected very badly the state of Andhra
Pradesh. Tamil Nadu and Orissa have also
suffered to some extent.

At the outset I express my deep grati-
tude to the Hon. Prime Minister who visited
the cyclone affected areas of Andhra Pradesh
on 12th and again on 19th of this month to
study the situation personally. He was kind
of enough to release Rs. 84 crores as grant
immediately. He also released Rs. 2 crores
from Prime Minister* Relief Fund. Cholera
vaccine and bleaching powder etc. were
also supplied in time. The people in the State
*'/! ever remain grateful to him for the sym-
pathy and understanding he has shown. He
^as shown personal interest in the rescue
a nd relief operations.

Also, I take this opportunity to express
**iy gratitude to the Meterological Depart-
ment of India for its timely warnings which
Averted a major loss of life and property.
^Similarly all the army, airforce and navy
(tersonnet who without caring for their lives
rescued marooned people, provided them
with food and drinking water deserve my
special thanks for their services. The Hon.
Minister of State for Agriculture has given
particulars of loss. I do not want to waste the
time of this House repeating the same. In
view of the unprecedented loss the Govern-

ment should take the following steps to res-
cue the people.

1 . All the insurance and comprehen-
sive crop insurance claims should
be settled immediately.

2. All the areas upto 20 to 25 Kms
from the sea have been submerged
by the sweater. The tidal waves
ranging from 6 to 10 feet height
have wasted these away every-
thing. The loss is total Even now all
areas are submerged under salt
water to a depth of 1 ft. to 2 feet.
These tidal waters have deposited
thick layer of saline earth in the
fields detrimental to soil fertility.
The Govt, should help the farmers
in removing the salinity.

3. In thousands of acres the paddy
stacks still lay under 1 to 2 feet
water. The paddy stacks have been
completely soaked in the continu-
ous heavy rains. The Govt, should
purchase this discoloured paddy or
rice by relaxing the specifications
through Food Corporation of India
and Andhra Pradesh Rice Federa-
tion as they have done in the case
of Punjab in the past.

4. Pucca buildings should be con-
structed for the people who have
lost their houses in the recent cy-
clone with part of the money as
grant, balance as loan from the
National Housing Bank.

5. (a) The outstanding crop loans

should be written off.

(b) Fresh loans must be sanc-
tioned for the coming Khariff
season.

6. In respect of the Poultry Farms, the
present outstanding loans should
be converted into long term loans

'Translation of the speech originally delivered in Telugu.

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[Sh. Bh. Vijayakumar Raju]

MAY 28 ,1990

a)
to Eleeru

out of cyclonic stonn 1 52
in Bay of Bengal etc.

Bickavolu should be diverted

and fresh loans should be sanc-
tioned to undertake repairs to the
structures.

7. Immediate steps should be taken
to supply drinking water in tankers.
Steps should also be taken imme-
diately to supply fodder to the sur-
viving cattle population. The entire
responsibility should not be left to
the state, government alone.

Sir, I want to make few suggestions
which will help in averting the tragedy in
coming years. Experts have predicted that
the sea level might go up by 3 or 4 feet in the
next coming 3 or 4 decades. In such a case
the entire area will be submerged in the sea
water. The adjacent agricultural lands will
lose their fertility. Lakhs of people have to be
evacuated to safer places. All of them have
to be rehabilitated. One can well imagine the
huge expenditure involved in this. Hence an
expert Committee should be appointed to
study the entire matter thoroughly. Appropri-
ate steps should be taken to avert the pre-
dicted calamity. Following steps will help in
averting the future danger.

Kolleru is a world famous lake. Many
artificial lakes have come up in recent years
to boost fishery. New Roads have been laid
around it. Many new farms have spring up. In
fact, Kolleru is not the Kolleru once it used to
be. As a result the waster water is not flowing
out freely, quite often resulting in the inunda-
tion of adjacent areas. Krishna, Godavari
Districts are receiving floods mainly on this
account.

Hence to serve Krishna and Godavari
Districts from this danger it is necessary to
dig Perantala Kanumu canal to take such
water to Upputeru at a faster pace. Also a
regulator should be constructed to save the
area from the back lash of sea water.

The Government should also take up
the following works in order to avert inunda-
tion due to heavy rains and floods: —

b) Kowada Canal should be
diverted to Godavari and a reservoir should
be constructed on it

c) Erra Kaluva should be di-
verted to Godavari;

d) Tham mileru protection bunds
should be raised and strengthened.

e) A parallel drain to Enamadunu
drain should be dug up. The old course of
Gontheru drain should be repaired immedi-
ately to drain out waste water into the sea.
Otherwise sea water may flow back causing
enormous damage to the entire area.

Sir, I do agree that the works mentioned
above should be taken up by the State Govt.
Since the State Govt, has no money to
undertake these works it has been postpon-
ing the work indefinitely. East Godavari. West
Godavari and Krishna Districts of the delta
region are suffering year after year on ac-
count of heavy floods. Hence I appeal to the
Central Govt, to take up the above men-
tioned works as a part of the strategy to
combat floods. Budameru protection bunds
should also be raised and strengthened.

A portion of Gunderu and Battiprobu
drains should be diverted to river Krishna.

All the major, medium and minor drains
should be widened and deepened in the
delta area. Bunds should be also be strength-
ened and widened so as to utilise them as
coastal roads. Sufficient number of regula-
tors should be constructed to prevent sea-
water entering the land. Sir, both the State
Govt, and Central Govt, should team to
undertake the above mentioned works. We,
the farmers of the area are also ready to
contribute our might for the execution of this
gigantic task. We are prepared to pay better-
ment tax if necessary. Only by taking the
above-mentioned measures, we will be able
to avert inundation of these lands by sea
water in the coming decades.

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Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

I hope the Hon. Minister would consider
my suggestions seriously. I conclude my
speech thanking you for the opportunity you
have provided me to speak.

SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MURTHY
(Amalapuram): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the
cyclone that hit the coastal districts during
7th, 8th and 9th of this month, was the first of
its kind in this century because I had the
opportunity to see the losses of previous
cyclones. I was the first Member of Parlia-
ment to visit the cyclone-hit areas when the
cyclone and tidal waves struck Diviseema in
1977. The loss of life was more but the
overall loss from this cyclone was very much
compared to that 1977 cyclone. In fact the
State Government this time had taken cer-
tain steps that minimised the loss of life. We
are grateful to the hon. Prime Minister also
who has shown a positive gesture in visiting
the places twice personally and also for
announcing reasonable amount of assis-

Sir, I would not make a long speech for
want of time, but I would like to make some
observations. In 1 977, I had visited the cy-
clone devastated places and had also gone
through Dr. Kotesam's Report which was
submitted in 1955. In that Report, Dr.
Kotesam had made certain recommenda-
tions. He had specifically recommended to
construct cyclone shelters and also to raise
a green belt on the coast line. He also
suggested about the development of drain-
age system. At that time, I had raised this
issue and had also represented to the hon.
Minister at that time Mr. Kaushik was the
Minister. The Government had taken a seri-
ous note of it and 828 cyclone shelters were
constructed on the coastline. My friend made
an observation that in every village three or
four cyclone shelters will be able to help the
people if tidal waves come. Certainly it will
not be so, because each time the tidal waves
come they take away lakhs of lives. After
spending twenty days in the cyclone hit
areas and discussing with the local people —
most of them in the coastal belt — I could find
out certain things. The Government has to
take two important steps. One is that in the

cyclone affected areas they have to con-
struct the coastal road; the second is to raise
the green belt and that way the speed of the
wind could be controlled. In the tidal-prone
areas the Government has to take serious
and sincere steps to construct a cyclone
shelter in miniature for every family — I am
repeating, Sir, a cyclone shelter in miniature
for every family in the form of a terraced
building because all the people of the village
cannot be accommodated in one or two
cyclone shelters. I visited a place near the
sea coast where thousands of families were
there. Only one cyclone shelter was there
where about four hundred people were
accommodate .d Had there been tidal waves,
almost two thousand people would have
been washed away. In the entire coastal belt
in my constituency, lakhs of inhabitants are
there. Therefore, a few cyclone shelters will
not serve the purpose. Once you provide the
cyclone shelters in miniature in the form of
terraced buildings, it will not only save the
human lives but we need not spend thou-
sands of crores of rupees for reconstructing
the houses also by way of relief. In the long
run, we can save thousands of crores of
rupees. This is an important aspect and the
Government should make a note of it and
they must cooperate with the State Govern-
ment. It should not be treated simply as a
State subject. I am happy that the Prime
Minister made an important observation and
treated this as a national calamity. The sec-
ond equally important aspect is that the
people there must be provided road
network. . . ( Interruptions)

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is six o'clock
now. What is the desire of the House? Should
we continue or should we take it up tomor-
row?

AN HON. MEMBER: Tomorrow, Sir.

SOME HON. MEMBERS: Let us finish it
today, Sir.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: O.K. we will
continue up to seven o'clock.

SHRI HARISH RAWAT (Almora): Sir,

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out of cyclonic storm 1 56
in Bay of Bengal etc.

[Sh. Harish Rawat]

there is no request from the Treasury
Benches. It least the Minister should make a
request.

[Translation]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND
COOPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF
AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR):
We have no objection, we are ready.

[English]

SHRI K.S. RAO: If the hon. Minister
agrees to take it up tomorrow, it is O.K.,
otherwise we can continue today.

[Translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: We are pre-
pared, it all depends on you. We can com-
plete it today itself.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will go up
to seven o'clock because there are so many
other matters to be discused tomorrow.

[Translation]

SHRI SHOPAT SINGH MAKKASAR
(Bikaner): Since it is a serious matter we
should finish we today.

18.00 hrs.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think we are
discussing a very important issue. Let us
discuss it in such a fashion that something
comes out of it. It is afactthatthe cyclone has
hit the area and people have suffered. There
is no dispute about it. There are certain
things which are done by the State Govern-
ment. There are certain things which have to
be done by the Central Government and the
State Governments need some assistance

and all that. Let us classify that and discuss
it. There is no point in repeating the same
thing what other hon. Members have said.
Something should come out of the discus-
sion.

SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MURHTY:
Sir, I will give the suggestions instead of
narrating the situation there. Sir, during the
time when cyclone occurred last time, I also
requested then to instal a radar system at
Machillipatnam and they did it. That was set
up, but it has been totally damaged in the
present cyclone. During the cyclone, our
experience is that one radar system will not
be enough to help the people in warning
aoout possible occurrence of cyclone. There-
fore, there should be two more radar sys-
tems. Apart fromone at Machillipatnam there
should be one at Kakinada and another at
Amalpuram and the radar system in Masuil-
patnam should be repaired because it has
been heavily damaged in the present cy-
clone.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is true that
the entire eastern coastal area is covered
with the cyclone warning system through
Satellites. This is done through the Space
Department.

SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MURTHY:
Sir, apart from that, this time the communica-
tion systems have completely broken down.
The installation and improvement of wire-
less system would go a long way in helping
people in the coastal areas, specially during
the cyclone.

Sir, the farmers have lost everything
and the Central Government have given
relaxation in the matter of purchasing paddy
from the farmers there by the F.C.I, whether
it is discoloured or partially spoiled. The
State Government made all possible ar-
rangements and the District Administration
has also come a big way to help the F.C.I
Sir, I have been there for about 20 days and
I have seen the problems faced by the farm-
ers there. The F.C.I, is not at all responding
in purchasing their paddy. I would lice the
hon. Minister to take this matter very sen-

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Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

ously. In spite of the fact that the Govern-
ment has given relaxation, F.C.I, has not
responded to help the farmers and they are
always insisting on their own norms, instead
of responding to the relaxed norms. They are
trying to look after their own interests instead
of looking the interests of the farmers. This is
a special situation of its kind and it is a
national calamity. Therefore, I plead with the
Central Government that they must immedi-
ately instruct the F.C . I. to help the farmers by
purchasing their paddy. Coming to the assis-
tance, I may point out that declaring the
assistance in a routing way by the Central
Government is not sufficient. The hon. Chief
Minister of Andhra Pradesh made it clear in
the recent interview with the World Bank
team that the Central Government's assis-
tance of Rs. 66 crores will not be sufficient to
provide food and reasonable shelter even in
the two districts. Therefore, the Centre should
respond in a big way. I would request the
Central Government to bear at least 50% of
the total loss occurred in the recent cyclone.
Besides, there are number of areas where
assistance has not reached properly be-
cause there are big breaches on the National
Highways. Even today most of the affected
places are unapproachable and there are
number of breaches on the roads. Even for
me it has taken 20 days to reach the main
land. Therefore, the National Highways and
the other road systems must be repaired and
improved immediately, specially on the
coastal areas. I have been insisting the
Government to construct the coastal road
between Thada and Itchapuram and this
road construction should be taken up right-
earnest and if necessary it should be taken
upon war-footing basis. It will definitely help
the affected areas in a very big way.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You have
already spoken for 10 minutes.

SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MURTHY:
Before concluding, I would like to impress
upon the Government at Andhra Pradesh
inherited a crippled economy. Secondly, the
severe power out put halt to the progress of
industrial growth. On both these counts it

requires much more help in this hour of
need. Therefore, on these counts the Gov-
ernment should think in a big way and come
forward with big financial assistance that
would definitely help relieve the distress of
the people of Andhra Pradesh now.

[Translation]

SHRI J ANARDAN YADAV (Godda): Mr.
Deputy Speaker, Sir, Andhra Pradesh was
the worth hit from the cyclone that developed
in the Bay of Bengal on the 2nd May. It
paralysed the life in Andhra Pradesh and
caused massive devastation. Similarly, the
coastal areas of Bengal also suffered heavy
loss due to this cyclone. These areas of
Bengal and its bordering areas in Bihar did
not receive any central assistance. Due to
this cyclone, the districts of Dumka, Godda,
Sahibganj, Pakurn Bihar received heavy
rainfall. All the Kuchha houses were col-
lapsed in the heavy rain. They are living
under open sky in this hot season. The
Central Government has taken no steps to
mitigate their hardships.

I hail from Bihar. Bihar is the worst
sufferer of floods. People are facing a lot of
difficulties after this cyclone. Epidemic breaks
out after floods. I would like to request you
that the central assistance should be given
to Bihar, West Bengal, Pondicherry and Tamil
Nadu to the extent possible. Farmers in
these states should be given loans as their
crops have been destroyed. Side-by-side,
preventive measures should also be taken
to check spread of disease as also drinking
water should be provided.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Drinking
water has to be provided by State Govern-
ment, not by the Central Government.

SHRI JANARDAN YADAV: I would like
to reiterate that the maximum assistance
should be provided to the cyclone-hit states
to compensate the economic loss suffered
by them.

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[English]
18.09 hrs.

SHRI LOKANATH CHOUDHURY
(Jagatsinghpur): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir,
the cyclone that lashed the eastern region
specially Andhra Pradesh is like a Pralaya It
is perhaps the worst in the cyclone history of
India. I am telling this because I come from
the State whre cyclone invariably comes in
the cyclic order in every three years and
never the speed of the wind was less than
240 kilometres. So, what do 240 kilometres
meah? Those who have been in the midst of
cyclone would have felt it. So, sir, the cy-
clone as it has been stated has become
something different. If you see the history of
cyclone in the 19th century, in the 18th
century and in this century, you will see that
it is more frequent row. Never before, it was
like this. Something has happened to the
natural process. Therefore, cyclone has
become almost a regular thing in this coun-
try. A lot of damage has been caused in
Andhra Pradesh. It is beyond the powers of
any State Government to meet the situation.
The people should be maintained till the next
crop is nurtured. The fertile lands of Guntur
district of Andhra Pradesh are inundated by
Saline waters. That land will remain unpro-
ductive and will not be fit for cultivation for
five years and drinking water will not be
available. I am speaking from my experience
in Orissa. So, the Government should do
something to maintain the people till the next
crop is raised. The second thing is that they
should do something for the land so that it is
cultivated and rural people raise their crops. It
requires a high cost. No State Government
can meet the situation. The Prime Minister
himself has said: if it is not a national calam-
ity, then what will be national calamity? If you
treat something as a national calamity, is it
the responsibility of the State Government
alone? The Government of India has re-
leased only Rs. 32 crores out of the Finance
Commission's grant for natural calamity. Will
it be sufficient to meet the situation? There-
fore, in such cases where such devastation
takes place and human misery comes to this
position, it should be first the responsibility of

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in Bay of Bengal etc

the Central Government to come forward
with help. It should not behave in a way that
some other Government is there and our
Government is different. Such a tradition has
been created in this country. The national
calamity should be treated as national ca-
lamity involving all the national parties. My
submission is to lessen the difficulties of the
people of Andhra Pradesh, it is the primary
responsibility of the Government of India to
treat it as a national calamity and help the
Andhra Pradesh Government because the
resources of the State Government are not
enough to meet the requirements.

In Orissa also, we are apprehending
cyclone every three years. The speed of the
wind that had hit the Andhra coast indicated
something. When a low pressure comes, we
should see whether the speed of the wind
can be checked. Similar methods are being
applied in America. Again and again, cy-
clone is destroying the eastern coast and
makes the life miserable there. So, the
Government of India should think about
preventing in by limiting the speed of the
wind so that the damage is reduced. Forthat
purpose, the new methods which are ap-
plied in the America and other countries
should tried here also. To check this, a
coastal road cum embankment is neces-
sary. When thousands of people died in
Orissa, Shri Biju Patnaik who was the then
Planning Board Chairman, employed a
commission under the leadership of Dr.
Khosla, a renowned engineer. He said that
this can be checked, if there is a highway on
the coastline. It should start from Haldiato
Rameshwaran in Tamilnadu on Eastern
coast. This permanent measure should be
taken to tackle cyclone. It is high-time to take
action when the damage occurred due to
cyclone in Andhra Pradesh is staggering.
The Government has estimated the loss to
one thousand crores of rupees. To check
such an extent of damage, preventive meas-
ures should be taken.

Another point is, there should be agreen
belt and in the cyclone areas, intensive
warnings are to be given. It is because of the
warnings that the lives could be saved. In

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Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

Andhra, in the earlier cyclone in 1 977 1 0,000
people died. This year only 1 ,000 people
died and many lives could be saved. There-
fore, warning should be more intensive and
it should be done frequently. Advance warn-
ing signal radars should be installed and
shelters should be made in a big way. It is not
the duty of the Government to do it. It is not
only Andhra Pradesh but Tamil Nadu, Pon-
dicherry, Orissa and West Bengal should be
taken care of so that further devastation
does not come every year and destroy our
national economy.

With this, I submit that while taking
permanent measures to tackle cyclone, the
Government must come forth with declaring
it as a national calamity and taking the re-
sponsibility of mitigating the sufferings of the
people of Andhra Pradesh, maintaining those
who have suffered till the next crop comes
and also helping them in every possible way
so that they produce and live with dignity.

PROF. N.G. RANGA (Guntur): Mr.
Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I endorse every word,
every suggestion that has been made by all
the hon. Members today and their speeches
have been very constructive. I thank you for
advising us to place the ideas before the
House instead of simply repeating what we
have seen about the devastation that has
been caused by the cyclone.

Now I am glad that my hon. friend from
Orissa has raised it to this level that it is a
cyclone from one end to the other on the East
coast and it has to be looked at that way. I am
very glad that this time, the Government
here at the Centre as well as at the State
have risen to the occasion and have seen
that the Prime Minister here and the Chief
Minister their and their leaders of the parties
they represent, to go there on the spot and
see all the sufferings of the people and have
come back. So have our Members of Parlia-
ment also. I may just add to what they have
already observed. I wish to express my
admiration for the heroic efforts that are
being made by those lakhs of Harijans,
weavers, backward class people and the
Kisans to meet the challenge of this disaster

and to go on reconstructing their own social
economy and crop economy also by their
own efforts without having to wait for some
kind of aid coming from the Heavens.

having said that, I would like to say that
it is necessary for the Government, in view of
the fact that these cyclones are periodical
visitation, to think terms of working out a
regular policy — not for prevention of cyclone
but — for the prevention of the extent of
damage that can be caused and that is being
caused by the cyclone. Therefore, they
should ask the experts to study the various
ways and means by which they can prevent
the extent of damage that would be caused
by cyclone. Other countries like America
have had this experience. But then, their
standard of living is much higher. But to
involve their experience may also be useful
in our country. Let the Government make
some efforts in that direction.

According to the latest statement made
by the Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh Dr.
Chenna Reddy, thousands of crores rupees
worth of damage has been done and more
than Rs. 1 ,000 cores would be needed in
order to provide protectees steps. From
where this money would come? All of a
sudden, you cannot find it. The suggestion
have been making over a number of years is
that there should be a permanent Natural
Calamities Protection Fund established here
at the Centre to which the Government of
India would be making annual grants and
then at the State level also for these affected
States especially. There is drought also in
various areas, especially Rajasthan. There
also they should have a world sponsored
fund. Some years ago, there was talk of
establishing such a Fund at the World Food
Organisations. I would like the Government
of India to support it and strengthen it. At that
time, unfortunately our Government was
unwilling to become partner in it nor did it
care to take the initiative for fear of political
interference possibly coming in the way of
making these grants and also distribution
and so on like that. But now the time is ripe
for organisation like that at world level, then
at the State level and at the national level.

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[Prof. N.G. Ranga]

Every year, certain percentage of the na-
tional revenue should be contributed. Un-
less we have some such financial equip-
ment, it would not be possible for the Gov-
ernment to go to the rescue of the sufferers.

Then there is the question of credit. My
hon. friend Shri K.S. Rao has already re-
ferred to it. There is the credit which is
needed by the farmers and which has al-
ready been supplied to the farmers but which
cannot be repaid at alt. The bng-term credit
which has been supplied to the farmers for
which instalments have got to be paid, those
instalments have got to be written off. For
two years thereafter, the capacity of the
farmers would not be there to repay these
things. Similarly, taxes also. Land revenue,
for instance, has to be written off. So many
other things have to be done.

I would like my hon. friend the Minister
in charge of it, to get a regular summary of
the speeches and suggestions made here
and also in the other House and let their
officers give them the necessary advice in
detail as to how much help has to be ren-
dered to the State Government. This time, I
must congratulate the Central Government
for dismissing the earlier delaying proce-
dures and for advancing money to the State
Government and also for sending Study
Groups so on. But that it is not enough.
Whatever advance they have given today is
not at all enough. 20 times such advance has
o be given. Wherefrom is another matter.
The help of insurance companies has to be
invoked. Banks have got to be also pressed
into service.

Having said all this, what is it that they
can do? At least now, as I have said, they
should express their gratitude to the weav-
ers, to the Harijans, to the backward class
people and to the helpless people, for having
risen to help themselves and making their
heroic effort in order to withstand the shock
of this terrible calamity and then prove them-
selves heroic as befitting Indian citizens.

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in Bay of Bengal etc.

SHRI A.N. SINGH DEO (Aska): Sir, I will
not take much time as the matter has been
discussed thoroughly. But I want to just point
out that though the cyclone has vastly dev-
astated the Andhra State yet a portion of
Orissa has been very badly affected, that is,
theGanjam District of Orissa. Unfortunately,
the Government has not taken any note of it
and no team has been sent to the Ganjam
District. From the last assessment which I
got from the Collector of the Ganjam District,
the damage to crops, the Government build-
ings, roads, private buildings etc., comes to
nearly Rs. 20 crores in only a portion of the
district which has affected. While consider-
ing this cyclone which has taken place in
Andhra, the bordering district of Orissa, that
is, the damage done to the Ganjam District,
must also be taken into consideration and
sufficient help must be given to the Govern-
ment of Orissa for relief measures.

I would also like to take this opportunity
to point out a few matters which need imme-
diate attention. As you know, our friends
have already described how the Eastern
Coast is prone to cyclonic conditions. The
worst cyclonic condition that we have seen is
in Andhra and in Orissa. There was a time in
Orissa in 1 971 , when the cyclone took about
1 5,000 lives. If you cannot prevent a cclone,
at least, you should take some measures so
taht the brunt of the cyclone is lessened. Out
of the many suggestions that were given and
mooted in those days, one was that every
village should you should take have a raised
platform to provide a shelter to the cyclone
hit and flood hit people. And whenever there
is some measures so that the brunt of the
cyclone or flood, the villagers should be
evacuated to take shelter in those places.
But, unfortunately, nothing has been done.
As my hon. friend as said, it is never possible
for any State Government to take these
measures. It is time when the Central Gov-
ernment starts planning in a proper manner
to prevent this devastation of cyclone and at
the same time to come to the help of the
State Governments.

There is another aspect which we have
not taken into consideration that is about the

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Rule 193 Situation vising in Bay of Bengal**.

crop damage. When there is a cyclone, the
town people, the rich people are not af-
fected. It ts only the poor class, the Harijan
dass and people living in vilages who are
affected and especially the farmer dass. If
we have a permanent corp insurance scheme
and when there is a cyclone or a flood, if they
are paid compensation from the insurance
scheme that will go in a great measure to
help these people. Second thing is. the
Central Government had started a scheme
an year back known as fir e proection scheme
for giving insurance compensation to fire
affected villages. Unfortunately, it has not
been working successfully and in our State
not a single pie has been paid under this
scheme. But the scheme is there. I would
request the Central Government to extend
this fire insurance scheme also to cyclone
and flood affected areas so that whenever
any village or a house is washed away or
blown out. the poor people should be able to
immediately obtain this compensation from
this simitar scheme lice the fire insurance
scheme. Therefore, these measures must
be taken up immediately. Otherwise you
never know when and at which place the
cyclone will hit next year — it may be Tamil
Nadu; it may be Orissa; it may be West
Bengal or it may be Andhra. The whole
Eastern Coast is prone to cyclone.

With these suggestions. I would again
request the Government to take into consid-
eration the flood damage that has been done
to the Ganjam District and provide neces-
sary help.

SHRI GOPI NATH GAJAPATHI (Ber-
hampur): Mr Deputy Speaker, Sir, the extent
of loss to human lives animals birds as well
as property in the State of Andhra Pradesh
can well be gauged by the detailed report on
the cyclone presented to this House by the
hon. Minister of State for Agriculture Shn
Nitish Kumar recently. In this regard, I take
this opportunity in expressing my heart-felt
condolences to the members of the be-
reaved family. I earnestly request the Cen-
tral Government to offer more liberal assis-
tance both in cash and kind to the affected
people of Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu,

Orissa as wei as of the Union Territory of
Pondcherry. The prompt of the cyclone af-
fected areas in Andhra Pradesh by the Hon.
Prime Minister and Shri Rajiv Gandhi are
praiseworthy.

We have observed from past experi-

the coast SneofTami Nadu Andhra Pradesh.
Orissa and even West Bengal, these stales
have became highly cyclone prone. Hence it
is worth while seriously explore the idea of
providing more cyclone shelters or circular
shaped buildings which are more cyclone
resistant. These should be put up all along
the coast line of the Bay of Bengal.

Further a long term plan must be imple-
mented to repair the drainage system and
protect the people, in the general sense,
living along the one thousand kilometre coast
line of the State of Andhra Pradesh.

It is reliably learnt that the United States
has given 25 thousand US Dollars to the
Prime Minister's Relief Fund to assist the
victims of cyclone hit districts of Andhra
Pradesh. This is according to the United
States Information Service release. I highly
commend this exemplary humanitarian
gesture. I also take this opportunity to appeal
to all corners of the world for rendering
immediate liberal assistance to all the cy-
clone affected victims of Pondicherry, the
states of Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and
Orissa.

In Orissa State, I wish to furnish details
of damages to life and property reported in
the Economic Times, dated the 24th May
1990. 1 quote:

Irrigation projects, roads and build-
ings suffered serious damages in the
recent rains that lashed Orissa's
Ganjam District and the resultant floods
with the loss estimated at about Rs. 20
crores, according to a preliminary offi-
cial estimate." 756 houses were com-
pletely razed in 41 9 villages while 7965
houses were partially damaged. One
person was killed when an electric

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MAY 28 ,1990

out of cyclonic storm 1 68
in Bay of Bengal etc.

[Sh. Gopinath Gajapathi]

pole fell on him. The high floods had
badly hit several villages under Bhis-
magiri Panchayat of Digapahandi Block
of the district. The rivers which wrought
havoe were the Rushikulya, Godahad,
Vamsadhara, Ramnadi and its tribu-
taries. The estimates showed that the
Ghodahad medium irrigation project
sustained damage as the swollen
waters overtopped the reservoir while
the canals breached the embankments
at several points. Several hundreds
acres of paddy land was sandcast by
Ramnadi in Digapahandi Block. The
sources said that the floods played
havoc in the riverin villages in Pa-
lakhemundi subdivision entering 50
villages in Parlakhemundi and Kasi-
nagar blocks."

"The flood waters, which crossed the
red mark at Kasinagar, entered into
low lying areas of the town, demolish-
ing several hundred mud houses of
poor Harijans.

According to information reaching here,
at least 500 minor irrigation projects
suffered heavy damages on the eve of
paddy sowing season. Many of the
irrigation tanks were breached in Di-
gapahandi, Sankehmandi, Chikiti and
Chatrapur blocks.

Although the Bhalluabhai minor irriga-
tion project had not suffered any major
damage, its four km long canals were
breached at several points and about
one dozen structures had collapsed."

Sir, I have taken the valuable time of this
august House particularly to apprise the
hon. Minister of state for Agriculture present
hereof the full details. Last week, when I had
a personal discussion with the hon. Minister
to request him for rendering immediate
assistance to the flood-affected victims of
Ganjam District of Orissa State, I was per-
plexed to know that the official report from
the Government of Orissahad not yet reached

the Centre, to enable the later it render
speedy assistance to the flood-affected vic-
tims of Ganjam.

In this regard, I have written twice to
taken up with the hon. Chief Minister of
Orissa as well as the District Collector of
Ganjam to expedite the essential official
report to the Centre.

In keeping with the decision of my party
leader, Shri Rajiv Gandhi, for donation of
one months' salary

by all Congress(l) MPs for cyclone relief to
Andhra Pradesh, I am pleased to donate in
my own small way my one months' salary for
the flood-affected victims of Ganjam district
to which I belong.

I take this opportunity once again in
earnestly appealing to the Central Govern-
ment to offer its maximum assistance, both
in cash and kind, to the cyclone victims of
Ganjam District in this hour of calamity.

SHRI A. VIJAYARAGHAVAN (Palghat):
Sir, regarding the natural calamity, which
had taken place in Andhra Pradesh, the hon.
Members have already discussed the de-
tails and the velocity of the problems faced
by the farmers and people.

I would also like to point out some of the
difficulties faced by the people of Andhra
Pradesh. As a person from Kerala, we have
acute shortage of rice. Only one-third of the
required quantity of rice is produced in Ker-
ala and we are always collecting it from
Andhra Pradesh. If there is no rain in Andhra
Pradesh, then the Keratites will always pray
for rain In Andhra Pradesh because if tbof
will be rain in that state then only will we get
rice. This time, after hearing about this ca-
lamity we are quite afraid about the situation
in our State. So, while discussing this thing,
I would like to recall something about the
defects in relief. Even though we had enough
idea before-hand regarding the natural ca-
lamity, which was going to take place, there
were reports that there was adequate relief

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Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal ate.

kg. of rice should be given to each family
which is affected and only then, they can
survive till they get some job. Regarding
financial assistance, we are giving Rs. 100/
- but we should give them the utensils also.
Regarding the waiver of bans, the Central
Government has announced that an amount
up to Rs. 1 0000/- is to be waived for 1 988-89.
But for Andhra Pradesh, the loan waiver for
1 968-89 also should be considered by the
Government. About the handtoom weavers,
we have to give them the looms and as per
the announcement of the Government, we
are giving them only Rs. 1 00. Our fishermen
have lost their boats and nets. So, proper
help should be given by the Central Govern-
ment so that they can get back their nets and
other things for their livelihood. As far as
cyclone shelters are concerned, we have
already some cyclone shelters. But we should
calculate the population of each and every
village of the area and according to that, a
new system should be introduced to tackle
the cyclone. The Chief Minister of Andhra
Pradesh has come with a new proposal
regarding the permanent measures in this
regard. It is regarding the World Bank loan.
I have some reservations in this regard. In
his connection, there should be proper evalu-
ation and consultation as we are going to the
World Bank to get huge financial assistance.
The welcoming part as far as the issue of
cyclone is concerned is that there is no dirty
linen washing among the leaders of the
various political parties. We are thankful to
the new system which has been introduced,
namely, the calamity relief fund. I am thank-
ful to the Chief Minister, the Prime Minister
and all the concerned political parties. I am
from Kerala and we have a had bitter expe-
rience during the previous regime. When we
had floods, one of the Central Minister, came
and had an aerial visit of the floods. The
people had anticipated that something will
come from the Minister after his visit, but we
have had a bitter experience. The Minister
come back without any assurance to the
people and did not announce any relief to the
people. On the next day, one of the promi-
nent newspapers came out with a column
news on the relationship between the floods
and the Minister. The paper said: The Minis-

during the first three days of the
natural calamity. Why was the state of af-
ters? In the first three days, the position was
very bad. So, many villages had tost connec-
tion with the other places. I have read in the
newspapers that due to the effective system
of relief measures, there was an increase in
toe price of rice up to Rs. 12 and in the case
of kerosene, it was up to Rs 6.

Regarding relief measures taken by the

Government they have given 12 points, but

alotment of Kerosene was not included in it.

We should have anticipated that electrical

connection and distribution system will be

affected due to cyclones. There should be

kerosene available to the affected people.

The required quota of kerosene was not

given. The statistical figures show that from

1979-90, there were about 1 75 cylones with

different intensity and damaging the coastal

areas. This means that this is a regular

process in this area. So, some permanent

measures should be taken in this regard

would like to point out the bad drainage

system in the Godavari region. Godavari is

the main area of rice production in the whole

country. The drainage system in Godavari

region was planned before 200 years ago. At

the time of floods and cyclones, the saline

sea water enters the cultivated area. The

sea is not accepting that much water, it is

resulting in floods. Due to the inadequate

drainage system in that area, there are many

hardships faced by the people. So, there

should be proper and adequate drainage

system in this area. The drainage system of

this area should be improved.

I would like to say something about the
housing pattern in this area. In advanced
countries like Japan, there are frequent
earthquakes. The mechanism that they have
been wing should be introduced here. The
housing pattern should be in such a way to
tackle the cyclones successfully. We should
think over and improve our housing pattern
to meet the calamity and HUDCO should
take the initiatives in this regard. Necessary
help should be given to the affected people.
Shri K.S. Rao has rightly pointed out about
the allocation of rice to the people. At least 50

1 71 Discuss, under

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[Sh. A. Vijayaraghavan]

MAY 28 ,1990

out of cydonic storm 1 72 * •*
/nSay of Bengal etc. $9

tor was born on a day when there were
floods; his father fell into the floods and the
Minister was also swept away in the water.
There was no assistance by the Govern-
ment at that time.

But this time, our Prime Minister v^ent to
have an on-the-spot assessment of the
cyclones. He announced Rs. 86 crores of
help to the Government; without any formal
request or memorandum, the Central Gov-
ernment has given Rs. 32 crores on the spot.
I would congratulate the Government for this
and request them to take further steps to
assist the people.

[Translation]

SHRI J. CHOKKA RAO (Karimnagar):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the cyclone has
brought misery to crores of people, yet there
has been less damage and devastation this
time because the scientists of our country
forewarned it some two-thre* days in ad-
vance. I would, therefore, like to thank those
scientists through you. Secondly, I would
like to thank the Government too for its
instant and timely assistance rendered to
the affected people. Then, the hon. Mem-
bers who come from Andhra Pradesh and
Orissa have given some very good sugges-
tions here in the House. I would like to render
two-three suggestions more rather than
repeat the suggestions already given by
them. The Government should keep in mind
the suggestions that have been given here
for a permanent solution to this problem. The
hon. Prime Minister and the hon. Minister of
Agriculture paid an immediate visit to the
cyclone-hit areas and promised large scale
assistance and relief measures there. Then
our hon. Members from Andhra Pradesh
and the State Finance Minister too met the
hon. Prime Ministerthere. He promised every
possible assistance to them. He was of view
that more any more assistance in this case
should come from the centre itself because
this was a huge and difficult task and the
State Governments could not do anything in

it because their finances are very limited and
relief measures could not be taken up unless
the Central Government comes forward. This
is the view of Member of every party. I hope
that the concerned hon. Minister will come
forward to announce the promised central
aid to meet the situation.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, with regard to
the loan waiver scheme of the Central Gov-
ernment, it has been said here that the
Government is going to proceed with it. The
Central GovernmentshoukJ waive the co-
operative loans as well. I mean to say that
you should, at first waive the loans of the
cyclone affected people of Andhra Pradesh,
keeping in view the extent of loss they have
suffered forthwith and further give them fresh
loans so that they can earn a livelihood. Do
not get bogged down in Centre-State wran-
glings, rather initiate relief measures expedi-
tiously. Again, write off other loans, if any, of
such people.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the whole
cyclone hit village remained inundated in
waterfor 3-4 days altogether. Derooted trees
lay flat across the roads but the surrounding
villagers, who were themselves a poor and
hungry lot, cleared the roads of all the ob-
stacles against heavy odds and helped out
the affected people. I would like to thank
them all through this House. Without caring
for their lives, they chopped the wood of the
fallen trees and cleared off the roads for
communication. Thus, I say that the rural
people always come forward to the help of
others despite being themselves in pain and
misery. Such affected people will migrate to
the cities and confront many odd problems if
we fail to evolve a permanent solution to the
problem. My submission is that credit should
be given forthwith to such poor people as the
agricultural labourers, weavers and fisher-
men as well. The loans they have drawn till
should be written off and further advance
loans given to them so as to make them able
to earn a livelihood. Then, any extra loans
given to them by the co-operative or other
banks should be based on easy terms of
conditions. The whole paddy produce of the

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Rub 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

[farmer has been damaged by getting
A e rtHh e d into water, t express my thanks to
to Government of India tor the relaxation
toy have given in purchasing this damaged
produce. They have taken a timely action.
But there is no further purchasing there. This
s not a coastal area atone. It is very unfortu-
nate thai 60 lakh people in the coastal areas
of Andhra Pradesh have been affected by
to. Along with this, some of the paddy
produce has been damaged due to the
subsequent excessive rains in Telangana,
Khammam, Warangal, Nalgounda, and
Karimnagar and relaxation should be ex-
tended to these areas as well. It is very
regretful that paddy has been sold at a price
of Rs. 40 lesser than the support price at
Karimnagar, which is my constituency and
no mill and no trader is ready to buy it even
at this price. The Food Corporation of India
has opened up certain centres on the eve of
the advent of Rabi season but the lower rung
officials of the corporation are divesting the
farmers in collusion with the traders. The
Central Government or the hon. Minister is
very sympathetic to us after much of pres-
sure was exerted by us and so is the Food
Corporation but lakhs of people are still
suffering out of it in Telangana area. It has
brought misery to 60 lakh people in this Delta
area. In Telangana area too, the crop is
selling at Rs. 40 less than the support price
and it has inflicted heavy losses upon all the
farmers. Co-operative loans should be ex-
tended forthwith without being I anguished in
the debate entrusting the responsibility
thereof either upon the Central or the State
Government. Again, the Centre should write
off the loans upto Rs. 10,000. 1 would like to
speak for half a minute more. The seeds and
the fertilizers should be distributed free of
cost. As most of the land has been rendered
unproductive due to the cyclone, the farmers
should be given a 50% subsidy or as much
as they need in the next season for the
purpose of carrying out their farming. The
farmers cannot cultivate anything in the
coming seasons if this aid is not given now
and this will affect their economic position
very adversely in the next year as well. While
bringing this to your notice, I take your leave.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, Mr.

Minister.

SHRI K.S. RAO: Sir, I have given a list
of a few Members who want to speak.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Five speak-
ers from your party have already spoken.
You should have decided as to how to allot
the time. I have been warning you from the
morning.

SHRI K.S. RAO: Sir, it is a very impor-
tant subject so they Want to speak.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I will give you
time but please don't repeat the points. You
have given me ten names which are to be
adjusted in 40 minutes.

SHRI K.S. RAO: Sir, please don't get
angry.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You should
understand the difficulties of others also. I
can give you as much time as is possible but
what is the point in repeating the whole thing.
We are already sitting late.

SHRt K.S. RAO: Sir, it is a very impor-
tant subject.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: That is why
we extended the time from 6.00 p.m. to 7.00
p.m. All right, you don't now waste the time.

Yes, Shri A. Venkata Reddy.

SHRI A. VENKATA REDDY (Ananta-
pur): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you are aware,
there was a terrible loss of life and damage
to property in Andhra Pradesh due to the
recent cyclone. The State Government has
taken very prompt action and a save a lot of
lives. The agriculturists and the labour class
were affected very badly and the State
Government is doing very good things in
order to help the victims and the needy
people. The Prime Minister was pleased to

1 75 Discuss, undo:

Rule 193 Situation arising

[Sh. A. Venkata Reddy]

MAY 28 , 1990

out of cydonic storm 1 76
in Bay of Bengal etc.

visit the affected areas and announced some
relief and the relief which was announced by
the Prime Minister is not adequate. There-
fore, I would request the hon. Minister of
Agriculture, who is is present in the House,
and also the Primd Minister to grant more aid
liberally, because, there is a heavy loss of life
and property in the area. I hope and trust that
the Central Government will do the needful
in the matter.

I would also bring to your kind notice
that in addition to cyclone affected areas,
there are areas which are affected by
droughts and famines. I am very glad that the
State Government and the Central Govern-
ment are taking prompt action as far as the
areas which are affected by cyclone are
concerned. As far as the areas which are
affected by droughts and famines are con-
cerned, the State Government and the
Central Government are not taking them
very seriously. Because, whenever any
drought or famine occurs, the people suffer
due to want of rain, drinking water and food.
The people who suffer due to drought or
famine are more than the people who suffer
due to cyclone. Therefore, I would request
the State Government and the Central
Government to take prompt action and take
permanent measures for the eradication of
famine. I hope and trust that the State Gov-
ernment and the Central Government will do
the needful in the matter.

In Andhra Pradesh, there is a Ray-
aiseema region which consists of Ananta-
pur, Kurnool, Cuddappa and so on.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Anantapur
district is not a cyclone affected district.

SHRI A. VENKATA REDDY: They are
backward districts. The condition of the
agriculturists and labour class is very poor
and they are becoming still poor. The rainfall
in the Anantapur district is very low. It re-
ceives second lowest rainfall in India. Anan-
tapur district is suffering because of famine.
Because of vagaries of monsoon, people

are suffering. They are not getting drinking
water because of want of rain. The geolo-
gists have also made a survey of Anantapur.
They have said that the Anantapur district is
going to become a desert very shortly and
unless the Government takes a keen inter-
est to save the district from becoming a
desert it is bound to become a desert. To
save the district of Anantapur from becom-
ing a desert, I request the Central Govern-
ment to Constitute Anantapur District brought
Prone Area Authority as was done in fais-
almer, Rajasthan.

SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA (Bolangir):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not want to
repeat what other speakers have already
told.

I would like to draw the attention of the
House to the fact that East Coast has be-
come a regular victim of cyclones for the last
two decades at least. In this Coast, where
afforestation was there, had been totally
depleted. So, through you, I would request
the Government to have a green belt of at
least one kilometre on the shore line from
Rameshwaram to Haldia and this green belt
should be strengthened by a bund for the
same length.

19.00 hrs.

In a cyclone, as you know, the tidal force
spoils agricultural land totally, and the farm-
ers do not get crops for ten years; the salinity
of the land increases and so, life becomes a
problem there.

Similarly the power supply system usu-
ally breaks down when cyclone is there So,
I request Government that in this cyclone-
prone belt, instead of cables which are
erected on poles, it would be better— and I
think it would be permanent solution— if
underground cables are laid throughout th*
region.

I thank the Prime Minister who has
shown his concern by visiting the cyclone-
prone areas twice; but, unfortunately, after
the Prime Minister's visit and the Chief Min-

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Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc

ister expressed concern over the tragedy of
the people, reports have come in the media
tat the benefits of the relief measures which
were to be taken, are not reaching the people.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think we will
$i for half -an-hour more.

SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Some anti-
social elements, village touts are taking
advantage of the situation — which usually
takes place in such a crisis. So, the Central
Government should supervise things, and
request the State Governments to take stern
measures against these anti-social elements,
so that the relief reaches the needy people.

In 1982-83, Orissa had a severe flood,
and got relief to the tune of Rs. 360 crores,
out of which hardly Rs. 100 crores were
spent in Orissa, and the remaining Rs. 260
crores were misutilized and misappropri-
ated by certain vested interests.

Lastly, I would inform the Government
that during this Andhra cyclone, Ganjam
district in Orissa was very badly affected,
and the loss-according to information from
the Collector of Ganjam district — is more
than Rs. 50 crores. The neighbouring district
of Koraput was also affected by a flash-flood,
in which the communication system of Kora-
put district was totally disrupted. So, I take
this opportunity to request Government that
a Central team should also be sent to Kora-
put and Ganjam, to assess the loss and to
9«ve aid to those people, because a part of
Orissa has also been a victim of chronic
drought in 1 987 and 1 988, and again in 1 990
when it has been hit by a cyclone. So, the
economic condition of the farmers is pitiable.
They are worse than beggars. Government
of India should take note of this, and help
these people.

SHRI BASAVAPUNNAIAH SINGAM
(Tenali): I represent the Tenali parliamen-
tary constituency which was directly hit by
the cyclone.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You should
have spoken first.

SHRI BASAVAPUNNAIAH SINGAM: It
started in Edirumandi, which is in my con-
stituency. I would also like to bring to the
notice of the House that 1 0,000 people died
in 1977 in Devisema which is also in my
constituency. Though I am the first man to be
affected by the cyclone, perhaps today I may
be the last man to speak on it.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: You may take
as much time as you want, if you raise new
points.

SHRI BASAVAPUNNAIAH SINGAM:
Any how, ourf riends, had suggested several
measures. I will not repeat all those things.
So far as devastation is concerned, it is a well
known fact, and the entire country has taken
note of it, and the Prime Minister has rightly
described it as a national calamity. I would
also like to thank the Leader of the Opposi-
tion for having visited the affected areas and
sharing the suffering of the people. But I
would have been more happy if the leaders
of the other political parties had also visited
the affected areas. But I am sorry to say that
during the present discussion of such a
serious subject, all the front benches are
vacant, except the Congress benches, where
our' leader Mr. N.G. Ranga is sitting. When
this is the situation, what will be our feelings?

I am not taking it as an objection, but it
would have been more appropriate if more
Members had been present. A calamity like
this is a recurring menace to the entire east-
ern coast.

In the circumstances, I would like to
appeal to all the Indian scientists to take this
as a challenge. (Interruptions) I have al-
ready thanked the Prime Minister and other
leaders who visited the affected areas. I
appeal to the Indian scientists to take this as
a challenge and see that, to minimise the
devastation that may be caused to the sea
coast, whenever there is a cyclone, they can
create artificial depression somewhere else

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[Sh. Basavapunnaiah Singam]

MAY 28 ,1990

out of cyclonic storm 180
in Bay of Bengal etc.

so that the cyclone can be diverted. They
can dilute the intensity of the cyclone also.
Everything may be impossible to do, but
after research the scientists may find some
way out how to minimise the intensity of the
cyclone.

In a calamity like this, normal allotment
of the funds is not sufficient. In these circum-
stances, I have rightly observed that only in
the rural areas the sea coast people are
being affected by the cyclone. But there are
rich people living in the cities like Bombay,
Madras, Calcutta and Delhi. The income tax
assesses are there. So, I suggest to the
Government of India to levy surcharge par-
ticularly for cyclone. They can keep this
amount in reserve fund. Whenever there is a
cyclone, they can take this amount and
immediately come to the rescue of the people
affected. Nothing is going to be affected now
and then. Particularly in my constituency as
well as the sea coast of Andhra Pradesh,
every district was affected by the cyclone.
You know it very well that the cyclone will be
followed by heavy rains. Due to heavy rains,
there is flood in every areas. More damage
is being caused by the flood, particularly in
Krishna and Godavari Divisions, delta ar-
eas, which are the greenery of India they are
being affected by these floods. It is a cultiva-
tion area for the last 100 years. But the
drainage system was not attended to by the
Government. So, the Central Government
should take special interest and see that the
drainage system is repaired and restored o
the vulnerable position.

Several friends have spoken about the
measures to be taken. I suggest to the
Government that the House Committee may
be deputed to visit the affected areas. In
Orissa, Madras and Bangalore, where there
is recurrence of this menace, they can study
it and suggest to the Government what are
the measures to be taken up by the Govern-
ment. It may be more appropriate particu-
larly in the eastern coast in Andhra Pradesh.

There is a proposal pending with the

Government of India that a Highway from
Ichapuram to Toda should be constructed. It
is a motorable road. Whenever there is a
calamity, it is difficult to approach the people
because of lack of communications. If this
road is constructed, then there will be no
difficulty to approach the people in case of
crisis. That proposal is pending with the
Government of India; and the Government
of India has to take immediate steps to
sanction this project and see that this road is
constructed.

The Government of India should main-
tain permanent helipads in same places.
That was our experience. Ahaiipad was not
there in the sea coast. That is why a helicop-
ter couldn't go far away and drop the food
packets. So, I suggest to the Government of
India to construct a permanent helipad in the
coastal area so that it becomes easy to help
the people in case of crisis.

I also request that the Government may
announce immediate relief for the farmers
which were badly hit by the cyclone. They
have to commence their agriculture in the
month of June, which is the next month.
Instead of waiting to find out whether they
are wilful defaulters or not, the previous loan
may be written off and the new loan maybe
granted again. The Government shouldcome
to rescue of the farmers.

With these words, I thank you forgiving
me this opportunity to speak.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Surcharge
on income tax was your new point.

SHRI P. NARSA REDDY (Adilabad):
Mr. Deputy Speaker I would not repeat the
points which the hon. members have al-
ready mentioned, but to two or three points,
I wish to invite the attention of the Govern-
ment. One is that the yard-stick of giving Rs.
25,000/- per family has been reduced to Rs.
1 5,000/-. Since the Prime Minister was kind
enough to give Rs. 2 crores they are adding
that sum of Rs. 10,000/- to this Rs. 15,000/
- and are saying that is Rs. 25,000/-.

181 Discuss, under JYAISTHA 7, 1 91 2 (SAKA) out of cyclonic storm 1 82

Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

I respectfully submit to you that the
Government should not have any differen-
tiation between a person who dies in Delhi
and a person who dies in Punjab. All these
people who have been affected by the cy-
done, have lost their crop, their houses and
(hey have actually lost everything. They are
al now in relief camps and their number is
about six lakhs and odd. So, it is not as if we
are asking for lakhs and lakhs; even if the
Government gives proper assistance on par
with the other persons then I think the State
and the Central Governments would be doing
justice. That is one point I want to mention.

Secondly, the hon. Prime Minister was
pleased to say on the 1 8th May that this is a
national calamity and that it must be treated
as such. I would invite attention to the report
of the Seventh Finance Commission which
said,

"Where a calamity is of a rare severity
the Central Government should ex-
tend assistance to the State concerned
even beyond the schemes suggested
by the Commission."

Now, earlier it was the margin money
and advance loan of 5 percent that was only
being given and a sum of Rs. 240 crores was
yearly given. The Ninth Finance Commis-
sion had said that, notwithstanding this, Rs.
86 crores should only be given. That was the
figure arrived at for the last ten years which
was being given by the Central Government
to the State Government. This is a strange
way of deciding things because in the years
1979, 1980 and up to 1988 the Central
Government was giving, for all the calami-
ties like floods, droughts and everything.
These years the Rs. 6,1 40 crores but tender
gave only Rs. 900 crores upto 1 989-90. So
in that context, for floods the average that
they have given all those ten years was fixed
at Rs. 86 cores, notwithstanding or not tak-
ing into consideration the demands made by
the State Governments for the calamities. All
these ten years the have been giving accord-
ing to the recommendation made by various
Finance Commission; but it is fantastic and
it is not according to principles of natural

justice. Nor is it according to the demand
made by the Seventh Finance Commission.

AN HON. MEMBER: That recommen-
dation was by a Congressman.

SHRI P. NARSA REDDY: Yes, the
recommendation of the Seventh Finance
Commission is also by a Congressman. You
need not be very anxious about it.

So, I request that the recommendation
of the Seventh Finance Commission betaken
into consideration.

The other side which I wish to bring to
the notice if the Central Government is about
the Railways and the highways. They have
been badly damaged. It would cost about
Rs. 96.33 crores to repair the national high-
way and the Central Government will have to
provide the money, and also expedite the
repairs. So also, about the Railways, it is
estimated that daily the Railways are suffer-
ing a loss of Rs. 40 lakhs because the iron
ore is not being brought to Visakhapatnam
port as the embankment of 30 to 40 kilo-
metres has collapsed and four bridges also
have been damaged. Therefore, the Eastern
Railway is not at all able to run the trains and
from the southern side from Vijayawada up
to Waltair the trains services are disrupted.
Unless these railways lines and the National
Highways are restored and for that also
money is given by the Central Government
movement of the traffic both the road and
rail, and normalcy cannot be restored. The
movement of the supply of rice also has
been disrupted. The Central Government
should give money and help the State Gov-
ernment in restoring the communications on
a war footing.

My fourth point is, what Shri Murli Deora
has already said. In 1 977 I was a Minister for
Revenue when cyclone came. I had been to
Maharashtra and met the Chief Minister and
also several industrialists. They wanted only
exemption under Section 80G or other rele-
vant sections of the Income-tax Act. Many
voluntary organisations are there to give
clothes, utensils and zinc sheets for housing

1 83 Discuss, under

Rule 193 Situation arising

MAY 28 ,1990

out of cyclonic storm 184
in Bay of Bengal etc.

[Sh. P. Narsa Reddy]

in Gujarat and Maharashtra. During the last
cyclone, they had given crores worth of
material. So, free arrangement of goods
through railways or by planes must be made
for the donated articles. Income-tax exemp-
tion also will draw more funds which will go
a long way in helping the affected people.

The hon. Minister has mentioned that
he has arranged 15,000 tonnes of phos-
phate fertilisers. We are thankful to him. But
the Minister has not shown in his note about
the land damaged. Twenty thousand hec-
tares of land had become saline. The Relief
Commissioner has requested the Central
Government to provide gypsum, apart from
phsophate fertiliser, to cure salinity. The
Central Government must be provide gyp-
sum in a larger way.

The other point which the hon. Minister
has not shown is that 55,000 hectares of
garden land had been damaged. Thirty-three
thousand hectares of mango gardens nine
thousand hectares of banana land, and six
thousand hectares of lime garden which are
uninsured crops. Normally the landholders
lease them to the poor people. These poor
people have suffered. If there is any provi-
sion under the General Insurance Act, then
we can help these poor people.

Forty-two crores of rupees worth of
damage had been caused to the irrigation
canals. One-third of the cost must be borne
by the Central Government and two-thirds
must be borne by the State Government.
The Central Government should come for-
ward to bear the one-third cost.

Lastly, there is an acute shortage of
power. We have got two thermal stations.
For Kottagudem thermal station, coal alloca-
tion is 2.8 lakh tonnes and for Vijayawada, it
is 2.70 lakh tonnes. This is the allocated
supply by the Central Government. The
requirement for full generation in regard to
Kottagudem thermal station is 3.6 lakh ton-
nes and for Vijayawada it is 4.0 lakh tonnes.
Therefore, there is a shortfall of about 2.2

lakh tonnes. So, special arrangements should
be made to provide this from Singareni Col-
lieries or Talcher in Orissa. My hon. friend
Mr. Choudhary asked the Central Govern-
ment to provide this. The Central Govern-
ment must immediately supply coal so that
the power shortage caused due to this cy-
clone could be to some extent redeemed.

DR. VISWANATHAM (Srikakulam):Mr.
Deputy-Speaker Sir, I will take only a few
minutes.

Floods and cyclones go together. Here,
prevention is better than cure. Unless you
have a measure which links all the rivers,
especially in the cyclone prone area, even
God cannot help it. Suppose cyclone affects
one area, the other area can take the flood
water and reduce the havoc. In this regard,
our scientists have given us their ideas much
earlier. But nothing has been done so far. I
hope the present Government will look ink)
the matter and act very quickly. The present
Government hasgiven usto understand that
village development will be their priority.
About fifty per cent of the revenue is being
allotted. Now it is an opportunity for them to
develop Andhra Pradesh area. Agriculture
and employment, village development, and
reconstruction of collapsed houses in the
villages, all these can be taken afresh. In-
stead of having small hamlets on the river or
sea shore, you can make large cluster of
houses at centrally located places. They can
be viable colonies with 500 or more houses
where everything can be provided easily
especially roads and other facility systems.
There you can construct three-tier houses
on columns which can stand both the floods
and the tidal waves. Suppose, you have two
to three tier system. In case of cyclone,
people need not go to far away villages but
they can simply go from one tier to the other
tier and save their lives. If these measures
are taken on a war footing and with innova-
tive new methods, I think, repeated spend-
ing of non-productive expenditure can be
minimised.

In addition, the farmers, especially the
small and marginal farmers are affected.

unoer JYAISTHA7, 1912(S>WCA) out of cyclonic storm 186

Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

The credit of Rs. 10000 is taken only by afew
people. But other people, who are of the
same status, are not given the loan due to
paucity of funds. Now the Government must
took into the matter afresh and those eligible
farmers must be given extra loan relief of Rs.
10,000 for clear their private loan and save
them from this peril. So, I request the Gov-
ernment through you to review this loaning
relief system along with those people whose
bans have been wiped out, other people
who have not taken the loan, must also be
given Rs. 1 0,000 and while treating them on
par with the beneficiaries.

SHRI S. BENJAMIN (Bapatla): While
thanking the Government for the timely
assistance , the way the damage was caused,
it can be divided into four categories.

First is, steam boats to a great extent,
were washed away. And prawn plantations
were completely damaged in one constitu-
ency. In other constituency plantation of
mango, paddy and also rice mills were blown
away to a great extent. In the third constitu-
ency, tobacco of burly quality of millions of
kgs. was completely drenched. For these
three items, there is not other way except
that the Central Government make a survey
and take necessary action. In the fourth
constituency, the industries were also
washed away. And several educational insti-
tutions which were to open form 1 6th also
washed away. So the UGC must have to
come forward with assistance. I do not know
to what extent they have taken action so far.
I request the Government and the UGC to
come forward in a great measure to help
these areas.

Government has come forward with one
thing and that is right to work. By this provi-
dential manner, the projects were opened
where there is lot of work for the workers. I
request the Central Government to come
forward to provide the work.

[Translation]

SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY (Rosera):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we all feel pained

due to the large scale devastation inflicted by
the cyclone and other natural calamities
upon our countrymen. I would like to make
one thing dear about it, at the very outset,
that there is need to make certain changes in
the Relief Code. We are having an obsolete
Relief Code formulated far back and no
amendment has been made in it subse-
quently. The farmer living in rural villages,
the backbone of our country, have to suffer
many losses today. We do not provide them
relief and assistance when they fall a f ictim to
the natural calamities. Therefore, I request
you to change the Relief Code and make a
provision therein for providing more and
more assistance at such times.

Secondly, I would like to say that the
surveys conducted in these areas do not
prove helpful in channelising the aid and
assistance to the people really affected by
the calamity. The people affected by the
calamities barely become the beneficiaries
to the loans and assistance provided by the
Government. I would, therefore, request that
the Government of India should depute a
fact-finding team to the affected areas that
can conduct survey for 1 0-1 5 days of its stay
there and submit the report.

Thirdly, I would like to say that the grant-
in-aid extended by our Government in the
shape of loans and other assistance at the
time of these calamities is not adequate.
That should be enhanced in order to provide
prompt assistance to the suffering people
and share their agony and apathy.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to
say that a drastic cut in the income of the
country's farmers is being made in the name
of the Crop Insurance. The amount of Crop
Insurance is deducted from the amount of
loan extended to the farmer, but when his
cor gets destroyed or washed away, his
claim is nullified by the Government by sim-
ply denying having received any money from
the farmer in the name of crop insurance.
May be the farmer's money does not get
deposited in the bank due to the involvement
of the Cooperative Bank in the process. But
I submit that the crop insurance scheme

1 87 Discuss, under

Rule 193 Situation arising

[Sh. Dasai Chowdhary]

MAY 28 ,1990

out of cyclonic storri
in Bay of Bengal etc

should necessarily be enforced and com-
pensation provided to the cyclone affected
people for the damage caused to their crops.
With these words, I thank you.

SHRI SYED MASUDAL HOSSAIN
(MurshkJabad): Mr. Deputy Speaker, r Sir,
almost all the points and aspects have been
dealt with but one point remains to be cov-
ered as yet. Floods or draught and cyclones
are a regular and recurrent phenomenon of
our country. The relief manual is an out-
dated one. There are inadequate resources
available in our area to meet the eventuality
of providing prompt and timely relief. I would
like to request the hon. Minister to bring
about amendments in the relief manual so
that adequate, instantaneous relief and
assistance can be expended to the flood,
draught and cyclone hit people.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon. Minis-
ter, Sir, the time of the House can be ex-
tended until you conclude your speech.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: One point
which I would like to make is that the debate
has been quite pointed. Many good points
have been made. I think you may please look
into the suggestions which have been made
and act appropriately.

[Translation]

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND
CO-OPERATION IN THE MINISTRY OF
AGRICULTURE (SHRI NITISH KUMAR):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will conclude my
speech in just 15 minutes. I would, at the
outset, like to thank, on behalf of the Govern-
ment all the hon. Members who participated
in this debate. The healthiest part of the
debate was the constructive suggestions
were rendered by the hon. Members in this
hour of national calamity rising above their
party politics to a humanitarian platform. I
had given a detailed description of the loss

and damages caused due to the <
while making a statement on behal
Government in this House. The hor
bers who participated in today's deb.
did not make any mention of the (
ment concealing the details of the c
caused. The House was informed at
details of devastations as received
Central government. So far as relie
ures in this hour misery are concerr
Central Government has very ap
progressively provided the assistan
hon. Prime Minister visited the are
first on 1 2th May and then on 1 9th. H
an aerial survey as also met the i
people in order to get acquainted
misery by visiting the area by road.

Certain Issues have been ra
hon. members. The Prime Ministei
several directions after returning froi
Those directions are being followi
hon. members have raised a dts
besides those instructions. Most of r
to relief. I am not referring to per
solution in fact no member has sui
anything new which is not covers
directions given by the Prime Ministc
the question of declaring it a nationa
fly a similar demand was made in
Pradesh. The same demand was al<
when a statement was made in the Y
this regard. This demand has bee
able today also. The Government is
ering it seriously. The people I i vine
region and the State Government ha\
the hon. Prime Minister to conside
national calamity Mr. Deputy Spea
you are aware that the Ninth Financ
mission made certain suggestions ;
ommendations and on the basis (
suggestions a calamity relief fund
tablished in 25 States. It was forme
rately in every State having 75 p
contribution of the Centre and 25 |
contribution of the State concernec
past whenever there occurred a <
there used to be great demand for
help and considering this fact a <
relief f u nd has been established in th<
As per the Ninth Finance Commissfc
of Rs. 86 crores has been earma

Dis€xjss. under JYAISTHA 7,

Rule 193 Situation arising

Pradesh. The total amount of relief
for 25 States is Rs. 804 crores. When
iPnme Minister paid his visit to that State
toe first time he announced that for the
1990-91 , Rs. 86 crores have been kept
the calamity Relief Fund of Andhra
►h. The Central Government have to
Rs. 64 crores and Rs. 501 lakh in four
instalments, but keeping in view
i flffect of the storm half the amount of Rs.
fH crores and Rs. 50 lakh that is Rs. 32
and Rs. 50 lakhs has been released.
^ Mar this amount is spent the next installment
■ould be provided by the Centre. It has not
come to surface fully otherwise in normal
circumstances only wage and means ad-
vance would have been given. I want to .say
something regarding Bihar. In the wake of
haistorm at that State the Prime Minister
visited the area and gave an assurance that
the necessary relief would be provided to
them. A central team went to the State of
Biiar on tour and on the basis of its report
As. 54 lakhs was released as wage and
means advance. If the Bihar Government
need further assistance after spending this
amount then additional assistance would be
released out of calamity relief fund of Central
Government.

[English]

SHRI K.S. RAO: Mr. Deputy Speaker,
had asked all the Members not to repeat
what the other Members have said. You are
repeating the same thing which you have
total in your statement. We want something
more to be told now.

[Translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: I am coming to
that point. The Central Government took the
matter very seriously and released the nec-
essary amount. Now the question is this that
the Ninth Finance Commission has stated
that the Government can consider the mat-
ter if the sufferings are on a large scale and
it should do that. The Principal Secretary to
the Prime Minister convened a meeting on
24th May in which the opinion of the con-
cerned departments were sought. They were

1912 {SAKA) out of cyclonic storm 190

in Bay of Bengal etc

consulted and the State Government's opin-
ion is being sought regarding the require-
ments of Andhra Pradesh. Whatever stand
is taken in the case of Andhra Pradesh, the
same will hold good in case of other states
also. As per the recommendations of the
ninth finance Commission. As such, discus-
sions are underway regarding the situations
under which national calamity can be de-
clared. It is not that government want to
ignore it but from rpocedure point of view it is
necessary. A detailed memorandum from
the State Government in this regard has
been called for. I would like to say that the
State Government, people living in that re-
gion and the hon. members of the House
have also made a demand, but no memoren-
dum in this regard has been received from
the State Government so far. Memorandum
is also necesssary for this. The centre can
take action on that only. Ranga Sahab, you
need not worry in this regard. It is no use to
make any announcement, a serious initia-
tive is underway in this respect. As such
there is no reason to worry. The second thing
that I wish to say is this that the Government
has made a provision under HUDCO insur-
ance in the event of loss to the houses in the
event of outbreak of fire but not in the wake
of flood or cyclone. Consequently it is not
possible to get any kind of immediate benefit
out of it but discussions regarding the courses
of action to be adopted in the wake of such
a situation are underway. The financial insti-
tutions like HUDCO, commercial banks or
Housing banks have been advised to grant
loans on liberal term for the repair of dam-
aged houses and construction of new houses.
The chairman of HUDCO has gone to Hydera-
bad to discuss the issue with the State
Government. Instructions to build perma-
nent houses in place of temporary ones have
been given and the financial institutions
should extend assistance in this regard.

Arrangem ents to provide seeds are also
being made. The National Seed Corporation
and other such agencies who supply author-
ised seeds have been asked about the
availability of the seeds and to provide the
variety of seed as per their requirement.
Recently has been said that assistance

191 Discuss, under

Rule 193 Situation arising

MAY 28 ,1990

out of cyclonic storm 192
in Bay of Bengal etc.

[Sh. Nitish Kumar]

should be given by the government for hor-
ticulture and contingency plan. The Central
Government is prepared to formulate horti-
culture and contengency. It wants to extend
help to them under this lay. The State Gov-
ernments have been asked to prepare con-
tingency plans and the Central Government
would make all possible effort to implement
the same and this has been communicated
to them.

The hon. members had also mentioned
about the procurement. They have asked
that the damaged paddy and rice should be
purchased on concessional rates. Eighty
centres have been opened for this purpose
and the purchase is being made. As per the
latest information received by me before
coming to the House, 461 1 M.Tonnes of
paddy and 7894 M.Tonnes of rice have been
purchased till date. Rao sahab will say that
this is less and we also do admit that it is less.
The officers of our department are conti-
nously monitoring it and are making efforts to
create a healthy situation. Instructions to
make the purchases without any delay on
the basis of the relations has been given.
The Government is alert about it.

Many members have said regarding the
damages to roads and Railway tracks. In
that context I would like to say that the
disruption caused to the traffic on account of
the damage to railway tracks between
Samalkot and Vishakapatnam and you are
also aware that the down line has been
repaired. Repair of up line wilfbe completed
by 5th June. The track between Gollprolu
and Ravitampattu section is expected to be
set in order by 1 5th of June. Many members
have raised the questions and I also want to
say that whatever loss to electricity has been
caused there, efforts are on to set it right.
Loss in the production of electricity that has
occurred due to short supply of coal in ther-
mal plants is being set right as 5 to 6 rakes of
coal is being supplied from Western Coal
fields instead of 2 to 3 rakes being supplied
earlier. The quantity of coal supply from
Singereni Colliery Ltd was 25727 M. tonnes

on 1 8th May. It was been increased to 42042
M.Tonnes by 21 st May and efforts are being
made to maintain this pace with a view to
ensure that power generation is not affected
or least affected. The instructions that had
been issued by the Prime Minister in respect
of telephones have been complied with the
and approximately 93% telephones have
been set right. Out of the National highways
that were damaged, traffic on National High-
way No. 5 has been restored fully and reha-
bilitation work on National Highway No. 43,
which was partially effected is in full swing
and a sum of Rs. 50 lakh has been released
for its restoration.

Many hon. members have expressed
concern about the bans by the banks. I want
to inform the House that hon. Prime Minister
has issued directions and in compliance of
those directions, R.B.I has issued instruc-
tions to all banks;

1 . Recovery should be suspended.

2. The bans should be converted.

3. Re-scheduling may be done.

Banks will work according to these in-
structions and to review the progress of
implementation of these schemes, regular
meetings of the Banking Consultative Com-
mittee at State and district level will be held.
This work will be carried out under the guid-
ance of lead banks. In this regard, whatever
directions have been issued by the Prime
Minister shall be strictly enforced. One hon.
Member mentioned about drinking water I
want to inform that efforts are being made to
improve it and as per the available informa-
tion 739 water supply systems have been
damaged and this includes 87 water supply
schemes through pipes. To restore water
supply immediately State Government have
released Rs. 15 crores. 34 tankers have
been put into Operation in the affected areas
to supply water. In addition to this bullock
carts are also being used for the supply of
water. To assess the extent of loss to water
' supply system and the desired relief to the
State Government the Additional Secretary

9 ■ 153 Discuss, under J YAISTHA 7. 1 91 2 (SAKA) out of cydohb storm 1 94

Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

has gone on tour to Andhra Pradesh. He is to
come back today. The Government is alert
about the future course of action. Some hon.
Members have raised a doing regarding
Ganjam district in Orissa. We share the
concern of the hon. members. However, no
demand or report regarding damage has
been received by us from Orissa Govern-
ment. Still we want to inform this House that
the manner in which a calamity relief fund of
Rs. 86 crores has been provided or Andhra
Pradesh, a similar relief fund of Rs. 47 crores
has also been provided for Orissa also. In
case the Orissa Government wants to make
use of the relief fund they can do so and it
they approach the Central Government then
the centre can also consider releasing its
share to Orissa Government. We have not
received any such information from there.
We have received some information regard-
ing Pondicherry. There has been some
damages to the horticultural especially the
banana crop, more than hundred hectares of
land has been affected and some cattle lives
were also lost. Two causalities were also
reported. According to the information re-
ceived from Tamil Nadu, seven people lost
their lives, but now this tool has rised to 13,
but detailed information regarding the dam-
ages, is not available with the Central Gov-
ernment and as such it is not in a position to
take any action at the Central level.

Many hon. Members have asked us as
to what we propose to do regarding dam-
ages to poultry. In this regard, I would like to
say that earlier the relief used to be provided
at the rate of ten rupees per bird. We have
given clear-cut instructions to the insurance
agencies to provide assistance, without
delay, to those who had taken insurance
Policies.

English]

SHRI. K.S. RAO: But it must be done
'^mediately, otherwise epidemic will come
fh *re.

translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: But I would like

to say that the Central Government has not
yet received any information from the Gov-
ernment of Andhra Pradesh, regarding the
assistance to the poultry sector. We have not
received any such request from Andhra
Pradesh in this regard. However, I would like
to tell you that our Department of Agriculture
and Co-operation has drawn up a contin-
gency action plan at its own level, so that
assistance could be provided, as soon as we
receive a request from the State Govern-
ment to this effect

[English]

SHRI K.S. RAO: Sir, he contradicts his
own statement. He himself had stated in the
statement that 32 lakhs of birds have died.

[Translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Rao Sahib, you
are referring to the damages. I would like to
tell you only this much that the Central
Government has drawn up a contengency
action plan in advance and we are giving
weightage to each and every point. The
State Government could have asked us for
some assistance particularly for the poultry
sector, but so far, we have not received any
such request. So far as damages are con-
cerned, as I had said earlier, we i.e. our
Central team visited each and every area
and made an assessment of the extent of
damages to the houses, roads, railways and
other assets. To save the precious time of
the House, I do not want to repeat them.
Keeping in mind the unanimity of the House
in this regard. I would like to assure the hon.
Members belonging to all the parties, who
maintained the highest standard of decorum
throughout the discussion on this issue, that
the Central Government, with the active co-
operation of the State Government and volu-
tary organisations working there, are putting
in their best efforts to combat this calamity. It
is but natural for the Members to come up
with good suggestions during the discus-
sions of such nature and it becomes the
bounden duty of a sensitive Government to
give due weightage to such issues and to
accept good suggestions. Many sugges-

195 Discuss, under

Rule 193 Situation arising

MAY 28 ,1990

out of cyclonic storm 1 96
in Bay of Bengal etc.

[Sh. Nitish Kumar]

tions have come up regarding a permanent
solution to this problem and many of them
are constructive. I once again appreciate the
spirit with which the hon. Members have
given these suggestions... (Interruptions).
According to the information available with
us, I would like to say that we are all feeling
distresed and express our sympathy for all
the cyclone affected people, whether they
are in Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Orissa,
Pondicherry or any other part of the coutnry .
The spirit with which the hon. Members took
part in this discussion and the work being
done by this Government and others, to
provide relief and assistance to the cyclone-
affected areas, despite our limited resources,
is praise worthy. We sincerely hope taht
those affected by this grave calamity would
be rehabilitated, as soon as possible and
that they would start their life a new. With
these words, I thank you and conclude...
(Interruptions) ...

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Would your
Department look into the long-term meas-
ures?

[ Translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Regarding long-
term measures, I have already said that the
Government has taken note of the sugges-
tions given by the hon. Members and we are
definitely going to take concrete and effec-
tive measures.

[English]

SHRI K.S. RAO: Sir, irrespective of the
party affiliations, the entire people of Andhra
Pradesh have felt extremely happy when the
hon. Prime Minister had visited the State on
11th and also on 19th. They have pinned
great hopes when he mentioned that he was
going to treat this as a national calamity and
declare it the moment he reaches Delhi, after
consulting the officials. Now, the entire de-
scription of the reply of the hon. Minister

indicates a total dilution of the statemnt of the
Prime Minister in regard to his promise about
the national calamity. He did not say even
one word that the Government is going to
declare it as a national calamity in a day or
two or after 10 or 15 days. We are only
interested in the implementation of the state-
ment. So, we humbly request the Govern-
ment once again not to make it diluted and
request them to see that it is implemented.

[Translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: 1 do not agree
with Shri Rao; as here there is no question of
any dilution the P.M.s statement. The proc-
ess of translating into action all taht whatever
the Hon.' Prime Minister has said there, has
already begun. On the 24th the Principal
Secretary covered a meeting of the officials
concerned with it. Mere lip service would not
serve any purpose as far as providing relief
is concerned, rather, arrangements have to
be made in a comprehensive manner to
make available the relief material to the
affected people. Our Government believes
in work and not in words. Whenever, a dec-
laration is made by this Government, the
entire necessary ground work is done by
them well in advance. I have already said
that the Principal Secretary had convened a
meeting in this regard.

[English]

SHRI BH. VUAYAKUMAR RAJU: The
entire drainage systems in three deltas are
completely collapsed due to the recent cy-
clone. It is happening every year. Even for
every rain, the drainage is closed. Every-
thing is on record.

What I am requesting is that the hon.
Minister may please take necessary steps
as a long-term action to repairthe drains and
other things. Otherwise, they are not in a
position to drain out.

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Action has to
be taken by the State Government also. It is
a long-term measure.

197 Discuss, under JYAISTHA7, 1912 (SAKA) out of cychnic storm 198

Rule 193 Situation arising in Bay of Bengal etc.

SHRI BH. VUAYAKUMAR RAJU: Yes,
it is both the Central Government and the
State Government which should take meas-
ures. We are also ready to give betterment
taxes.

[Translation]

SHRI DASAI CHOWDHARY (Rosera):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, regarding the 'Relief
Code I have just stated that when the hon.
Minister was a Member of the Bihar Legisla-
tive Assembly, he used to create uproarious
scenes whenever the State was affected by
floods and he used to say that it was neces-
sary to make changes in the 'Relief Code'. I
would like to know whether even now, the
hon. Minister feel the need to bring about
changes in the 'Relief Code' or not?

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Mr. Deputy-
Speaker, Sir, the hon. Member has asked a
question of a personal nature. The factual
position is that the Relief Codes are evolved
by the State Governments themselves and
the responsibility of providing relief rests
with the State Governments. When I used to
speak in the Bihar Legislative Assembly, I
concentrated on the need of effecting
changes in the Relief Code of the State and
even today, I feel that there is need to make
amendments in the Relief Code to update it.

[English]

SRI HAMENDRA SINGH BANERA
(Bhilwara): Relief Code was made during
the British time? Are you going to change or
amend the code or not?

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Do not ex-
pect him to give immediate reply on this
position.

SHRI BALGOPAL MISHRA: Will the
Minister consider changing the Relief Code?
Will the Government also include hailstorm
as one of the natural calamities? At present,
hailstorm is not considered as natural ca-
lamity. Hailstorm is not less harmful than
flood, cyclone or drought.

[ Translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Mr. Deputy
Speaker, Sir, as I have already said Relief
Code is a subject concerning the State
Government and it is upto the State Govern-
ment to update it. It was laid down years back
and it is necessary to make changes in it
from time to time so as to keep it uptodate.

SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHARY (Gaya):
Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I didn't get an
opportunity to speak. I have two suggestions
to make in this regard. The hon. Minister has
referred to both instant and long term meas-
ures. About the instant measures, he has
said that relief work is going on it its full
swing, but he did not elaborate on long term
measures although big canals (drainage
system) and equipments have been dam-
aged. Does the hon. Minister propose to
work on any long term plan? If so, please tell
us about the amount proposed to be allo-
cated for the purpose, as it is a national
calamity.

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: Mr. Deputy
Speaker, Sir, this is a very comprehensive
question and it does not concern this depart-
ment alone. It is a question involving all the
departments. Therefore, at the moment, it
would not be possible for me to say anything
in this regard.

[English]

PROF. N.G. RANGA: The hon. Member
Mr. Raju of the ruling Party as well as several
other friends have referred to the damage
done to the drainage work, canals and bunds.
If money is not immediately available with
the Government, would they be willing to
raise a loan, hand it over to the local Govern-
ment and see that the drainage works are
taken up?

And the other suggestions regard to
income-tax relaxation and so on, I hope my
hon. friend would note down and convey the
suggestiqps to the hon. Finance Minister.

199 Discuss, under

Rule 193 Situation arising

[Translation]

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: With reference
to whatever hon. Prof. Ranga has said, I
would like to submit that so far as the alloca-
tion of money is concerned, we have already
given to the state, a lumpsum amount of Rs.
32.5 crores as Central Assistance. As soon
as it is spent, another instalment of Rs. 32.5
crores would be made available to the State
Government and all your suggestions re-
garding other matters, the views that have
been expressed here and other related is-
sues as well as the creative suggestions will
be sent to the State Government.

MAY 28 ,1990

[ Translation]

out of cyclonic storm
in Bay of Bengal etc.

SHRI J. CHOKKA RAO: You should at

least write off the loans of small fa
weaver, and the fishermen. What sti
you propose to take to alleviate their
ings?

SHRI NITISH KUMAR: I have a
dwelt on these things in my speech.

[English]

MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: No
House stands adjourned to reass
tomorrow at 1 1 .00 AM.

19.55 hrs.

The Lok Sabha then adjourned till E
of the Clock on Tuesday, May 29, I
Jyaistha 8, 1912 (Saka)

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