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Regional   Oral   History  Office  University  of   California 

The  Bancroft  Library  Berkeley.    California 


THE  PATTERSON  FAMILY  AND  RANCH: 
SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA  COUNTY  IN  TRANSITION 


Volume  II 


WATER.    DEVELOPMENT,    AND   PRESERVATION 
IN   SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA   COUNTY 


Interviews  with 


Mathew   P.    Whitfield 
Wallace  R.    Pond 

John  Brooks 
Robert  Fisher.    M.D. 
Laurence  W.    Milnes 
William  D.    Patterson 


Interviews   Conducted  by 

Ann  Lage 

Carole  Hicke 

John   Caswell 

in  1955,   1982,   1986   and  1987 


Copyright     (c\     1988  by   the  Regents   of   the  University   of   California 


Since  195A  the  Regional  Oral  History  Office  has  been  interviewing 
leading  participants  in  or  well-placed  witnesses  to  major  events  in  the 
development  of  northern  California,    the  West,   and  the  nation.      Oral   history 
is  a  modern  research   technique  involving  an  interviewee  and  an  informed 
interviewer  in  spontaneous   conversation.      The  taped  record  is   transcribed, 
lightly  edited  for  continuity   and  clarity,    and  reviewed  by   the  interviewee. 
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Requests  for  permission  to  quote  for  publication  should  be 
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University  of   California,    Berkeley  94720,    and  should  include 
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use  of   the  passages,   and  identification  of  the  user. 

It  is  recommended  that  this  oral  history  be  cited  as 
follows: 

To  cite  the  volume:     The  Patterson  Family  and  Ranch; 
Southern  Alameda  County   in  Transition,   Volume   II,    "Water, 
Development,    and  Preservation  in  Southern  Alameda   County." 
an  oral  history  project  of  the  Regional  Oral  History  Office 
conducted  in  1955,   1982,    1986-1987,    The  Bancroft  Library, 
University   of   California,    Berkeley.    1988. 

To  cit«  individual   interview:     Mathew  P.   Whitfield,    ISeneral 
Manager  of  the  Alameda  County  Water  District.  1953-1977."  an 
oral   history   interview   conducted  1986  by  Ann  Lage.    in  The 
Patterson  Family  and  Ranch;      Southern  Alameda  County   in 
Transition,   Volume   II,    Regional   Oral   History   Office,    The 
Bancroft  Library,    University   of    California.    Berkeley,    1988. 


Copy  No. 


MATT  WHITFIELD 
ca.  1977 

Photograph  by  Steve  Rubiolo 


DONORS   TO   THE   PATTERSON   FAMILY  AND  RANCH   ORAL    HISTORY  PROJECT 


The  Bancroft  Library,    on  behalf   of   future  researchers,   wishes  to  thank  the 
following  organizations  and  individuals  whose  contributions  made  possible 
this   oral   history   project. 


Alameda   County  Water  District 

Brooks   Family   Foundation 

City   of   Fremont 

East  Bay   Regional   Park  District 

Oliver  De   Silva   Company 

David  and  Joan  Patterson 

Dorothy   Patterson 

J.    B.    Patterson  Trust 


Regional   Oral   History   Office 
The  Bancroft  Library 


University  of   California 
Berkeley,    California 


THE   PATTERSON  FAMILY  AND  RANCH: 
SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA   COUNTY  IN  TRANSITION 


VOLUME   I 
AGRICULTURE  AND   FARM  LIFE  ON  FREMONT'S  NORTHERN  PLAIN.    1890-1980s 


FRANK  BORGHI 


Dairying  on  the  Patterson  Ranch,    1924-1950 


ELVAMAE  ROSE  BORGHI       Girlhood  in  a  Patterson  Ranch  Farm  Family,    1931-1948 


RUEL   BROWN 
DONALD   FURTADO 
TILLIE  LOGAN  GOOLD 
WALLACE  MCKEOWN 
GENE  WILLIAMS 

MEL   ALAMEDA 


Observations  of   a  Ranch  Worker's  Son,    1918-1950s 

Working  for  Henry   Patterson,   1930s-1950s 

The  Logan  Family   in  Alvarado 

A  Neighboring  Farmer  Recalls   the  Early  Days 

The  L.    S.    Williams   Company:     Farming  in  Southern 
Alameda  County,   1930s-1980 

Farming  on  Fremont's  Northern  Plain  in  the  1980s: 
Agriculture's  Last   Stand 


VOLUME   II 
WATER,    DEVELOPMENT,    AND   PRESERVATION   IN  SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA  COUNTY 

MATHEW   P.   WHITFIELD       General   Manager  of   the  Alameda   County  Water  District, 

1953-1977 


WALLACE   R.    POND 
JOHN  BROOKS 

ROBERT  B.    FISHER 


The  Pattersons  and  the  Incorporation  of  Fremont 

Consultant   to  the   Patterson  Family:      Master  Planner, 
Developer,    and  Politician 

History  and  Politics:      The  Creation  of  Ardenwood 
Regional   Preserve 


LAURENCE  W.    MILNES          Ardenwood  Regional   Preserve  and  the   City   of   Fremont 
WILLIAM  D.    PATTERSON     The  Alameda   County  Water  District,    1914-1955 


VOLUME   III 
THE  PATTERSON  RANCH.    PAST  AND  FUTURE:      THE  FAMILY'S  PERSPECTIVE 


GEORGE  WASHINGTON 
PATTERSON 

DONALD   PATTERSON 


Overland  Journey.    1849 

Family  Lore:      The   Pattersons  and  Their  Land   Since 
the  1850s 


WILLIAM  VOLMER 

JEANETTE  KORSTAD 

and 
MARILYN   PRICE 

SALLY  PATTERSON  ADAMS 
JOHN  E.    ADAMS 

DAVID  G.    PATTERSON 

ROBERT  BUCK 
LEON  G.    CAMPBELL 

WILCOX  PATTERSON 
GEORGE  PATTERSON 

BRUCE   PATTERSON 
ABIGAIL   ADAMS    CAMPBELL 


Whipples,    Beards.    Ingalls.    and  Pattersons:     Looking 
at  the  Hawley  Family  Tree 


Haw  ley   Family  Memories 


Growing  Up  at  Ardenwood 

A  Son-in-Law  Remembers  Henry   Patterson  and  Assesses 
Ranch  Development 

Overseeing  the  Transition  from  Ranching  to  Property 
Management 

Patterson  Property  Management.   1970s-1980s 

Balancing  Agriculture  and  Development,    Family  and 
Public  Interests 

Donald  Patterson  and  Patterson  Ranch  Management, 
1950s-1980s 

Recalling  the  Pattersons'    Past:     The  Family.   Land, 
and  Historic  Homes 

Youth  on  the  Patterson  Ranch.    1950s-1963 

Summers  at  Ardenwood  with  Grandparents   Sarah  and 
Henry   Patterson 


TABLE  OF  CONTENTS  —  Volume  II:     Water.  Development,  and  Preservation  in 

Southern  Alameda   County 


PREFACE 

INTRODUCTION  by  Leon  G.    Campbell 

MAPS.    SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA  COUNTY,    1956  and  1987 


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MATHEW   P.    WHITFIELD 


WALLACE  R.    POND 


JOHN  BROOKS 


ROBERT  B.    FISHER 


General  Manager  of  the  Alameda  County 
Water  District,   1953-1977 

The  Pattersons  and  the  Incorporation 
of  Fremont 


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Consultant  to  the  Patterson  Family:     Master 
Planner,    Developer,   and  Politician  141 

History  and  Politics:     The  Creation  of 
Ardenwood  Regional  Preserve  208 


APPENDIX  A 


APPENDIX  B 


Laurence  W.    Milnes,    "Ardenwood  Regional 
Preserve  and  the  City   of  Fremont"  264 

William  D.    Patterson,    The  Alameda 

County  Water  District,    1914-1955  278 


INDEX 


328 


PREFACE 


The  Patterson  Ranch 


The  historic  George  Washington  Patterson  home  and  ranch  in  Fremont. 
California,   provides   the  focus  for   this   oral  history   project  which  explores 
changing  patterns  of   land-use   in  southern  Alameda   County   over  the  past  130 
years.     George  Washington  Patterson  was  a  forty-niner  from  Lafayette, 
Indiana,   who  left  the  gold  fields   to  settle  on  the  rich  alluvial   plain 
created  by  Alameda   Creek,    on  the   southeastern  shore   of   San  Francisco  Bay. 
He   accumulated  properties   to  form   a  4,000-acre  ranch  in  this  area  known  as 
Washington  Township  and  an  additional  10,000  acres  inland  in  the  Livermore 
Valley.      In  1877,   he  married  Clara  Hawley   and  added  on  to  his  home  to  create 
the  Queen  Anne  style  mansion  that  now   is   the   centerpiece   of   the  Ardenwood 
Regional   Preserve,    a  historic  farm   operated  by   the  East  Bay   Regional   Park 
District  on  former   Patterson   ranch  lands. 

Since  George   Patterson's   death   in  1895,    three  generations  of   his 
descendants  have   continued  to  oversee  the  ranch  operations,    sharecropped  in 
the  earlier  years  by   tenants  who  grew  vegetable  crops  on  family  farms  and 
later  leased  to  larger-scale  and  more  modernized  agricultural  operations. 
Agriculture   continued  to  flourish  on  Patterson  ranch  lands  while  surrounding 
lands  succumbed  to  the  pressures   of   urbanization  from   the  burgeoning  Bay 
Area  metropolis  in  the  post-World  War  II  population  explosion. 

The  rapid  urbanizations   of   the  area  brought  with  it  inevitable  political 
changes.      The   several   small  unincorporated  towns  of  Washington  Township — 
Alvarado  and  Decoto;    Irvington,    Mission  San  Jose,    Niles,    Centerville,    and 
Warm   Springs;   and  Newark — incorporated  into  the  three  cities  of  Union  City, 
Fremont,    and  Newark  in  the  1950s.      The  Alameda  County  Water  District,    formed 
to  conserve  the  ground  water  for  the  area's  farmers,    expanded  its  operation 
and  its  water  supplies  to  deliver  water  to  suburban  customers.      The  Alameda 
County   Flood  Control   District   channelized  Alameda   Creek,   putting  an  end  to 
rich  alluvial   deposits,    but  making  year-round  farming  and,    most 
significantly,     housing  development  possible   on  the  northern  flood  plain. 

By  the  1970s  the  Patterson  family  succumbed  to   development   pressures  and 
began  selling  off  major  portions  of   ranch  lands  for  housing  development. 
Their  sale  to  Singer  Housing  of   the  lands   surrounding  the  historic  mansion 
and  its  landmark  eucalyptus   trees  precipated  the  controversy   that,   after 
several  years   of  lawsuits  and  negotiations,   resulted  in  the   creation  of 
Ardenwood  Regional   Preserve.      In  the  1980s,    the  family   has  organized  into  a 
corporation  with  professional  management  from  family  members  and  has  managed 
the  development   process  in  accordance  with  a  master  plan  that  emphasizes 
planned  development  and  preservation  of  open  space.      Three  regional   parks 
are  on  former  Patterson  lands:     in  addition  to  Ardenwood,    the  Coyote  Hills 
and  surrounding  marshlands  are   preserved,   and  in  Livermore,    the  Del  Valle 
Regional   Park  stands   in  the  middle  of   Patterson  cattle  lands.      Adjacent  to 


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the  industrial   park  and   the   suburban  housing  tracts,    lands   still  held  by   the 
Patterson  family  are  leased  to  a  modern  truck  farm  growing  cauliflower, 
lettuce,    and  specialty  vegetables  for  Bay  Area   gourmets. 

The  Oral  History   Project 

With  a  series  of  twenty-six  interviews,    the  oral  history  project 
explores  the  transformation   of   the   Patterson  ranch  as  a   case   study   of   the 
complex  evolution  from   agricultural   to  urban  land  use.     The  idea  for  the 
project  came  from  the  collaborative  thinking  of  Knox  Mellon  and  Leon 
Campbell.      Dr.    Mellon,    former  director  of   the  California  State  Department  of 
Historic  Preservation  and  professor  of  history,  was  assisting  the  Patterson 
family  to  place  Ardenwood  on  the  National   Registry  of  Historic  Places.     He 
saw   the  potential  for  an  oral  history  project  and  found  ready  support  among 
the  Patterson  family,   particularly  his  friend  and  fellow   historian,  Leon 
Campbell,    who  was  part  of  the  management  team  for  Patterson  Properties. 
David  Patterson,   who  has  a  keen  interest  in  tracing  family  history,   also 
took  a  supportive   role. 

Dr.   Mellon  came  to  the  Regional  Oral   History  Office  with  his  idea,   has 
worked  steadily  with  us  to  formulate  and  direct  the  project,    and  has 
served  as  interviewer  and  consultant  throughout  the  three  years  to  the 
project's   completion.     Leon  Campbell  was  instrumental   throughout  in 
arranging  funding  and  serving  as  advisor.      Because  of   his  ability   to  look  at 
the  story  of  the  Patterson  Ranch  with  a  historian's  eye,    as  well  as  his 
first-hand  knowledge  as  a  family  member,   he  was  asked  to  write  the 
introduction  to  the  project,   which  places  the  twenty-six  interviews  in 
historical  context. 

As  the  planning  for  the  project  evolved,      three  main  themes  emerged,    and 
these  are  reflected  in  the  organization  of   the  interviews  into  three 
volumes.     Volume   I  focuses  on  agriculture  and  rural  life  on  the  northern 
plain  of  Washington  Township  in  the  prewar  years  and  on  the  agricultural 
operations  of   the  L.S.   Williams  and  Alameda  and  Sons   companies,   the  two 
outfits  which  farmed  on  the  ranch  during  the  transitional   period  from  the 
mid-fifties  to  the  present. 

Volume   II  tells  the  tales  of  water,    development,    planning,    and  historic 
preservation  in  the  area — topics  seemingly   diverse  which  are   seen  to  be 
closely  interrelated  in  these  histories.     Volume  III  focuses  on  the 
Patterson  family,    past  and  present.      Two  generations  of  family  members 
combine  nostalgic  looks   back  to  rural   childhoods  with  insight  into  the 
processes  of  present-day   property   management   by   a  family   corporation. 

Each  volume   has  been  enhanced  with   interviews   completed  on  previous 
occasions  for   other  purposes,   but   ones  which  added   so   centrally   to  our 
project   that  we  requested  permission  to  include   them   here.      These   include. 
in  Volume  II,    the  interviews  with  William  D.    Patterson,    son  of  George 


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Washington  Patterson,  on  his  work  with  the  Alameda  County  Water  District; 
and  Larry  Milnes,  assistant  manager  of  the  city  of  Fremont,  on  the  city's 
role  in  the  negotiations  leading  to  the  establishment  of  Ardenwood. 

Volumes  I  and  III  have  interviews  which  were  recorded  in  1975  and  1977 
by   family  member  Donald  Patterson  for  the  family  archive  at  the  Society  of 
California  Pioneers.      These  include  the  interview  with  neighboring  farmer 
William  McKeown  in  Volume  I  and  cousin  William  Volmer  in  Volume  III.     Donald 
Patterson  also  recorded  his  own  recollections  on  tape  and  later  was 
interviewed   for   the  Society   of   California  Pioneers  by   Stanley  Bry. 
Transcriptions   of   these   tapes  are  included  in  Volume   III.   The   project  was 
further  enriched  by   the  volunteer  assistance   of  Bill  Helfman,    a  Fremont 
resident  who  recorded  two  interviews  for  the  project.      His  interview  with 
Donald   Furtado   is  in  Volume   I. 

To  enhance   the  reader's   understanding  of   the  interviews,    illustrative 
materials  have  been  included.      Maps   of    the   southern  Alameda   County  area  in 
1956  and  1987   are  in  the  introductory  pages  for  each  volume.     Family  trees 
of  the  Patterson  and  Hawley   families  are  included  in  Volume  III    (pages  2  and 
31).      The  1981   town  development  plan  for  the  Patterson  Ranch  is  in  the 
appendix  to  Volume   II.      In  addition,    interview   histories   preceding  each 
memoir  give  specifics  on  the  conduct  and  content  of   the  interviews. 

All  of   the   tapes  for   the   project  interviews  are  available  in  The 
Bancroft  Library.      Society  of   California  Pioneer  tapes  are  in  their  archive 
in   San  Francisco.    In  addition  to   the  transcribed  interviews  included  here, 
three   interviews   recorded  for  background  information  are  available  on  tape 
only.      These  are  interviews  with  Dorothy  Wilcox  Patterson,  wife   of  Donald, 
and  Eleanor   Silva  and  Mary   Dettling,    former  housekeepers  for  the  Henry 
Patterson    family. 


Research  Resources 

Many   resources  exist  for  research  on  the  subject  matters  of  these 
interviews.      The   Society   of   California  Pioneers  has   papers  and  business 
records  and  photographs  of   the  Patterson  family.      A  guide   to  these  papers,    a 
useful   bibliography,   and  other  information  exists  in  Faces   in  Time:   An 
Historic  Report  ^n  the  George  Washington  Patterson  Fam ily  and  the  Ardenwood 
Estate   prepared  for  the  East  Bay  Regional   Park  District  by  Susan  A.    Simpson, 
1982.     The  local   history   collection  and  the  Grace  Williamson  collection  in 
the  Alameda  County  library   in  Fremont  is  another  valuable  source.  Their 
collection  includes  many  untranscribed  oral   history  interviews  with 
individuals   prominent  in  Fremont's  history.      The  library   of   California   State 
University   at  Hayward  also  includes  works  on  the  history   of   the  region.     A 
CSUH  master's   thesis  in   geography   gives   specific  information  about  the 
history   of  land  use   on  the  Patterson  Ranch;    it  is  based  in  part  on  a  1971 
interview  with  Donald  Patterson  (Jerome   Pressler.    Landscape  Modification 
through  Time;    the   Coyote   Hills.    Alameda   County.    California.    1973). 


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Research  Use 

The  diversity   and  the  universality   of   themes  explored  in  this  series  of 
oral  history  interviews  insure  that  they  will  be   consulted  by   a  vide 
variety   of   researchers.      They   are  intended  to  be  of   use  to  the  East  Bay 
Regional   Park  District  in  planning  and  interpretation.      They   provide 
information  on  the  history   of   agriculture,   particularly  the  loss  of 
agricultural  lands  to  urbanization  and   the   problems   of   farming  in  an   urban 
setting.      They   discuss   the  process  of   land  planning  from    the  perspectives  of 
city  officials,    developers,    and  property  owners.      They   give  an  indepth 
history   of   the  Alameda   County   Water  District  and  illuminate  the  role  of 
water  in  development.     Finally,    they  provide  a  candid  look  at  a  family 
business  over  four   generations  and   give  insight   to  the  dynamics  of 
personalities  and  intra-family,   inter-generational   conflicts  in  shaping 
decisions  in  family  businesses. 


Ann  Lage 
Project  Director 


September,    1988 

Regional   Oral   History   Office 

The  Bancroft  Library 

University  of   California  at  Berkeley 


INTRODUCTION  by  Leon  G.    Campbell 

The  three  volumes  of   interview B  prepared  by  the  Regional  Oral  History 
Office  of   the  University  of  California,   Berkeley,    dealing  with  the  Patterson 
family  and  ranch  between  the  years  1851-1988,    constitute  a  case  study  of 
changing  land  use  in  southern  Alameda  County  from  the  days  of  the  first 
galifomios   to  the  present.      George  Washington  Patterson  (1822-1895)   came  to 
California  with  the  Gold  Rush  but  remained  to  found  an  extensive  farming  and 
ranching  enterprise  in  Alameda   County.     Originally  known  as  Rancho  Potrero 
de  los  Cerritos    (Cattle  Ranch  of   the  Hills),    the  4.000-acre  Patterson  Ranch 
has  remained  in  family  hands  as  an  agricultural  and  livestock  enterprise  to 
the  present  day.      Under  the  ownership  of  George  Washington's  sons,    Henry 
(1878-1955)  and  William   (1880-1961).    the  Patterson  Ranch  became  a  dominant 
economic  institution  in  southern  Alameda  County  and  the  family  an  integral 
part  of   the  emergence  of  Fremont  as  a  major  Bay  Area  community. 

Situated  between  the  eastern  terminus  of  the  Dumbarton  Bridge,   which 
connects  Alameda   County  with  the  West  Bay,    and  Highway  880,   the  Patterson 
Ranch  is  a  prominent  feature  of  the  East  Bay  landscape.     Today  known  as 
"Ardenw ood-New   Town"  in  honor  of  the  Shakespearean  title  sometimes  used  to 
describe  the  ranch,   Ardenwood  serves  as  the  western  gateway  to  Fremont  and 
the  entire  South  Bay.      Despite  the  fact  that  the  planned  district  of 
Ardenwood  is  less  than  four  years  old,   the  size  and  scope  of  the  changing 
land-use  patterns  on  the  Patterson  Ranch  resemble  those  taking  place  on  the 
Irvine  and  Bixby  Ranches  in  southern  California,    where  uninterrupted  family 
ownership  has  retained  influence  over  time  and  throughout  change. 

Several  important  themes  emerge  from  the  various  interviews  contained 
within  the  three  volumes.     Volume  I,  Agriculture  and  Farm  Life  on  Fremont's 
Northern  Plain,   chronicles  the  transition  of  the  Patterson  Ranch  from  a 
family   farm  in  the  nineteenth  century  to  a  large-scale  agricultural 
enterprise  operated  by  the  L.    S.   Williams  Company  during  the  1950s.      The 
several   interviews  of  tenant  farmers  and  Patterson  Ranch  workers  covering 
the  period  from  approximately  1900-1950  constitute  an  excellent  social 
history  of  farm  life  in  Fremont's  Northern  Plain.      Collectively,    the  memoirs 
of  farmers  and  ranch  workers  not  only  inform  about  the  Pattersons  as  owners 
but  as  well  provide  a  third-party  perspective  upon  changing  public  uses 
including  the  development  of  the  Nimitz   Freeway  (1953),    Alameda  County  Flood 
Control   Project    (1965-70),    and  the  dedication  of  Coyote  Hills  Regional  Park 
(1968). 

The  oral  histories  in  Volume  I  hint  at  subjects  which  Volumes  II  and 
III  treat  more  centrally,   namely  the  immense  changes  taking  place  in  the 
area  during  the  lifetimes  of  the  individual  interviewees,    particularly 
during  the  period  following  World  War  II.     During  the  fifties  and  sixties. 
southern  Alameda  County   shifted  from   a  rural   to  an  urban  orientation, 
resulting  in  the  incorporation  of  cities  and  the  initiation  of  water  and 
flood  control   projects,    as  these  new   municipalities  began  to  debate  the  land 
and  water  use  issues  which  had  prompted  their  incorporation. 


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Volume  I:     Agriculture  on  the  Ranch 


The  initial   interviews  contained  in  Volume  I  represent  a  broad  sample 
of  ranch  workers  and  tenant  farmers  who  were  closely  associated  with  the 
Patterson  family  during  the  postwar.     As  a  group,    they   reflect  the  value  of 
family  and  neighbors  and  of  traditional  virtues  associated  with  farming  and 
farm  life.      Quite  apparent  is  the  fact  that  these  attitudes  ran  as  deep  in 
rural  Alameda  County  as  in  more  traditional  agricultural  areas  outside 
California.      Indeed,    the  Pattersons  considered  many  of   these  individuals  as 
their  extended  family,    sharing  with  them  an  ethic  of  hard  work  and 
perseverance   in  the  face  of  drought,    flooding,    poor  crop  years,   and  economic 
uncertainty.     The  interviews  also  cover  the  transition  from   cattle  ranch  to 
farming  and  provide  important  data  on  the  presence  of  Chinese  laborers. 
Mexican  braceros,   and  migrants  of  all  nationalities  who  came  to  comprise  the 
ranch  work  force.     Also  recollected  are  recreational   activities  from  horse 
racing  to  duck  hunting,    the  introduction  of  the  tractor  to  Ardenwood.  and  the 
life  of   the  mind  in  a  farming  environment,    particularly  within  the  context 
of  the  development  of  Stanford  University  and  the  University  of   California 
at  Berkeley  where  many  of   the  early  Patterson  family  members  matriculated. 

The  second  section  of  Volume  I  covers  the  more  recent  history  of  the 
larger-scale  L.    S.    Williams  and  Alameda  family  farming  operations  on  the 
ranch.      In  addition  to  providing  an  excellent  overview   of  the  agricultural 
basis  of   the  Patterson  Ranch,   this  section  chronicles  the  decisions  to  grow 
various  crops  and  the  reasons  for  so  doing,    particularly  the  ability  of 
various   crops  to  withstand  increasing  salinity  levels  as  a  direct  result  of 
the  ranch's  location  on  San  Francisco  Bay  and  saltwater  intrusion  into  the 
underground  aquifers. 

These  interviews  also  reflect  the  rapidly  changing  agricultural 
orientation  of  northern  California  as  East  Bay  farmland  was  converted  to 
housing  and  industrial   uses  and  agricultural   operations  relocated  into  the 
Salinas  Valley,  which  in  turn  reoriented  transportation  and  marketing 
networks.      Increasingly  isolated  from   the  large  growers  and  packers  in  the 
Salinas  Valley,   agricultural  operations  in  southern  Alameda  have  been  forced 
to  either  transship  their  produce  to  the  Midwest  and  other  areas  by  means  of 
refrigerated  trucks  or  to  diversify  and  reorient  their  production  towards 
local   markets.      Since  1984.   the  Alameda  Company  has  shifted  from 
agribusiness  to  more  of  a  diversified  local  farm  operation.      The  Alameda 
family  operates  at  Ardenwood  for  only  half  the  year,    relocating  to  Arizona 
and  northern  Mexico  to  grow   cauliflower  and  lettuce  during  the  winter  months 
on  a  more  convenient  and  large-scale  basis.      These  growers'   interviews 
provide  an  important  case  study  of  the  decisions  required  when  farming  in  a 
community   which  is  making  a  rapid  transition  to  urbanization  in  a  precarious 
agricultural    environment. 


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Volume   II;     The  Context  for  Rapid  Postwar  Development 

Volume  II,    Water,   Development,    and  Preservation  in  Southern  Alameda 
County,   provides  a  more  in-depth  study  of   the   dynamic  tension  between 
development,    preservation  efforts,    and  the  water  projects  which  have  all 
impacted  Alameda   County   during  the   period   after  1945.     the  first-hand 
account  of  Mathew  Whitfield,   general  manager  of  the  Alameda  County  Water 
District  during  the  years  1953-1977,    provides  a  case  study  of  this  process 
of   change   in  the  East  Bay.      Whitfield's  vivid  recollections,    the  longest 
interview  in  the  history,    offer  a  fascinating  study  of  family,   water  and 
South  Bay  politics  during  the  postwar  period.      Whitfield's  oral   history  may 
well  be  the  most  important  single  contribution  to  the  project,    for  the 
actions  of   the  Alameda  County  Water  District  in  the  1950s  provided  the 
foundation  for   the  subsequent   growth   of   Fremont  and  the  Northern  Plain. 

Whitfield  was  a  close  associate  of  W.    D.    Patterson,    himself  a  director 
of  the  Alameda  County  Water  District  from  its  inception  in  1914,    whose 
recollections,    based  on  a  1955  interview   on  the  subject,    are  also  included 
in  this  volume.     Whitfield's  perspective  on  the  1950s,    the  period  in  which 
the  water  district  took  a  central   role  in  planning  for  controlled  growth, 
provides  a  context  for  assessing  the  subsequent   changes  which  would  alter 
Fremont  and  the  Patterson  Ranch  thereafter.      His  reflections  also  touch  upon 
an  important  aspect  of  Patterson  family  history  not  treated  in  this  project, 
namely  the  events  leading  up  to  and  including  the  creation  of   the  Del  Valle 
Regional  Park  in  Livermore.  which  was  created  as  the  result  of  state 
condemnation  of  Livermore  ranch  land  for  the  Del  Valle  reservoir.     At  one 
time  the  Patterson  Livermore  Ranch  in  Alameda  County  complemented  the 
Fremont  Ranch   in  an  integrated  farming-livestock  operation.      The  Livermore 
operation  is  not  treated  herein  in  any  detail,    but  is  an  important   component 
of   the  history   of   the  East  Bay   Regional   Park  system. 

In  addition,   Whitfield  provides  an  important  perspective  on  the  State 
Water  Project   South  Bay  Aqueduct,    which  linked  both  Patterson  ranches  to  the 
future  of  water  transportation  projects.      These  decisions  to  import  water 
for  groundwater  recharge  and  the  subsequent  Aquifer  Reclamation  Program  of 
1974  to  counteract  saltwater  intrusion  were  determining  factors  in  the 
continued  agricultural  development  of   southern  Alameda  County  in  general  and 
the  Patterson  Ranch  in  particular.      This  interview   thus  provides  an 
important  complement  to  the  Regional   Oral  History  Office's  series  of  oral 
history  interviews  on  California  water  issues  and  relates   changes  on  the 
Patterson  lands  to  statewide  water  issues. 

Another  pivotal  interview  contained  within  Volume  II  is  that  of  John 
(Jack)  Brooks,   an  important  developer  in  southern  Alameda  County   from   the 
postwar  to   the   present  and   the   primary   planner  of  Ardenwood.      Brooks's 
recollections,    because  of  his  long  association  with  the  Patterson  family  and 
his  central   position  as  a  political  force  in  Fremont,   offer  an  invaluable 
look  at  the  city  as  it  has  emerged  to  become  the  fourth  largest  municipality 
in  the  Bay  Area.      As  Brooks  makes   clear,   with  the  five   communities  making  up 
Fremont,    the  Northern  Plain  was  always  anticipated  to  be  a  sixth  or  "New 
Town,"  its  name   today. 


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Whether  this  concept  of  an  urban  area  on  the  North  Plain  was 
acknowledged  by  Henry  and  William  Patterson  before  their  deaths  as  Brooks 
contends,    it  was  apparently  supported  by  William's  oldest  son,    Donald 
Patterson  (1905-1980),   who,    as  the  oldest  surviving  Patterson  son,    assumed 
management  responsibilities  on  the  ranch  after  1961  under  an  informal 
primogeniture    (Henry   Patterson's   children  were   both  daughters).      Brooks 
holds  that  Henry  and  Will  Patterson  had  virtually  agreed  to  enter  a 
development   plan  just   before  Henry's   death  in  1955.      Subsequently,    he 
recollects  that  the  city  of  Fremont  had  begun  to  insist  upon  cancelling  the 
Williamson  Act,  which  had  protected  the  Patterson  family  from  future  tax 
increases  as  an  agricultural  enterprise,   so  that  the  Pattersons  would  in  the 
future  pay   their  fair  share  of  taxes. 

Although  Brooks   understates  his  role  in  the  process,    under  his  guidance 
and  with  Fremont's  cooperation,    Ardenwood  was  brought  out  of  Williamson  in 
1981   and  substantial  parts  of  the  Patterson  Ranch  were  sold,   initially  to 
the  Singer  Company  and  later  to  Kaiser  Development  Company  and  to  Brooks 
himself.      No  less  important  are  Brooke's  recollections  concerning  the  advent 
of  a  planned  district  concept  and  the  complicated  series  of  negotiations 
which  led  to  the  creation  of  Ardenwood  Historic  Park  and  the  preservation  of 
the  George  Washington  Patterson  House  at  its  present  location  adjacent  to 
Highways  84  and  880.     Brooks' s   interview   also  describes  in  some  detail   why 
particular  land-use  decisions  were  made  as  they  were  and  how  a  series  of 
urban  villages  were  created  to  establish  a  residential  new  town  and  a 
commercial  and  high  technology  center  amidst  a  traditional  farming 
enterprise. 

The  interview   of  Dr.    Robert  Fisher  also  provides  valuable  background  on 
the  politics  of  preservation  involving  Ardenwood.      Fisher,    the  leading  light 
in  the  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation,    describes  from  his  viewpoint  how 
various  interested  local  historical  associations  including  the  Washington 
Township  Historical    Society,   Patterson  House  Advisory  Board,   and  Ardenwood 
Regional  Park  Advisory  Committee  were  all  drawn  into  the  question  of  who  was 
to  control   and  implement  what  had  belatedly  been  recognized  as  an  important 
historic  and  civic  asset,    namely,    the  Ardenwood  Historic  Farm  and  attendant 
Victorian  mansion  which  formed  its  centerpiece. 

The  recollections  of  Fisher  and  of  Larry   Milnes.    assistant   city  manager 
of   the  city  of  Fremont,    provide  a  balanced  view   of   how   municipalities  become 
involved  in  the  process  of  acquiring  valuable  assets  for  future 
preservation,    how    these   assets  are  administered,    in  this   case   through   the 
aegis  of   the  East  Bay  Regional   Park  District,  which  also  operates   Coyote 
Hills   Regional    Park   adjacent   to   the  site.      Besides   corroborating  Brooks's 
reflections  on  the  Ardenwood  process,    Milnes's   interview   describes  how 
decisions  were   reached  over   the  often  controversial   questions  of  deciding 
the  focus  and  implementing  the  historical   theme.      Klines  also   depicts,    from 
the   city's  perspective,    the  evolution  of   the  Patterson  Ranch  from 
agriculture  to  mixed   use. 


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Following  the  gift  of   forty-six  acres,    including  the  family  home,    to 
the  city  of  Fremont  by  the  Patterson  family  in  1981,    the  city   consulted  the 
State  Office  of  Historic  Preservation  in  Sacramento  to  verify  Ardenwood's 
historic  value.      This  in  turn  led  to  the  city  and  the  Patterson  family 
petitioning  the  National   Trust  for  Historic  Preservation  in  Washington. 
D.C..    to  have  the   ranch   placed  on  the  National  Registry   of  Historic   Places, 
which  was  accomplished  in  1985.     Since  then,    the  historic  farm  has  become  an 
increasingly  popular  tourist  attraction  featuring  demonstration  farming  and 
the  recreation  of  nineteenth  century   farm  life. 

In  sum,    this  volume  treats  the  interrelated  themes  of  water  projects, 
municipal   formation,    planned  district  development  and  historic  preservation 
within  the   context  of  Fremont  politics,   1950-1988.     It  would  be  naive  to 
contend  that  the  issues  delineated  have  all  been  resolved  or  to  deny  that 
choices  forced  upon  the  various   groups  involved  have  not  produced  bitter 
disputes.      Nevertheless,    these   interviews,    offered  by   the  primary   surviving 
decision-makers  in  each  area,    provide  basic  data  about  the  campaign  which 
transformed  the  Patterson  Ranch  from  a  sprawling  agricultural  enterprise 
beset  by   regular  flooding  and  other  natural  hazards  into  a  Planned  Urban 
District    (PUD). 

From   the  Patterson's  perspective,    however,   a  view  no  doubt  shared  by 
Fremont  and  EBRPD,   pride  is  taken  in  the  fact  that  a  large  portion  of  the 
Patterson  Ranch  has  been  converted  to  public  use,   first  for  the  Nimitz 
Freeway  in  1952.    then  for  the  flood  control  uses  proposed  by  Alameda  County, 
and  later  by   the  dedication  of  large  tracts  of  permanent  open  space, 
including  both  the  Coyote  Hills  Regional  Park  and  the  Del  Valle  Reservoir 
and  Park  in  Livermore  as  well  as  the  most  recent  dedication  of  the  Ardenwood 
Historic  Farm  now   operated  by  the  Park  District.      The  Patterson  family's 
strong  advocacy  of  open  space  preservation  is  reflected  in  the  creation  of 
no  fewer  than  three  East  Bay  Regional  Parks  on  Patterson  family  lands  and  a 
substantial  portion  of   the  acreage  within  the  planned  district  being 
dedicated  to  public  use.      This   distinguishing  feature  of  Ardenwood.    like  the 
better  known  Irvine  and  Bixby  Ranches  in  southern  California,   for  example, 
is  intended  to  provide  for  the  needs  of  future  generations  and  is  a  part  of 
the  continuing  stewardship  of   the  Patterson  family  management  group. 


Volume   III!      The  Family  Recalls   the   Past  and   Confronts   the  Future 

Volume  III.    The  Patterson  Ranch.    Past  and  Future;      The  Family's 
Perspective,    is  devoted  to  the  reflections  of   the  third  and  fourth 
generation  of  Patterson  family  members.     The  variety  of  these  interviews 
reflect   the  quite  different  personalities  and  temperaments  of  George 
Washington's  two  sons.   Will  and  Henry,   who  apparently   contemplated  a 
division  of   their  undivided  landhol dings  prior  to  their  deaths,    a  decision 
which  was  never  consummated.     It  was  traditional  in  most  large  landowning 
families  for  the  eldest  son  to  assume  management  responsibilities  following 
his  father's  death.      This  was  true  in  the   case   of  George  Washington's   eldest 


son.   Henry,  who  succeeded  him  in  1895  at  seventeen  years  of   age  and 
subsequently  with  Will   Patterson's  oldest  son.   Donald,  who  assumed 
responsibility   for  ranch  management  in  the  period  after  1961.     Donald 
Patterson's  interview,    taped  by   the  Society  of   California  Pioneers  prior  to 
his  death  in  1980.    provides  interesting  observations  on  both  his  father  and 
grandfather  and  the  nature  of   their  lives  at  Ardenwood. 

Perhaps  the  most  insightful   observation  corroborated  by  many  others  in 
these  volumes  was  the  respectful  and  cooperative  relationship  between  Will 
and  Henry   Patterson,    who  "never  had  a  disagreement"  and  consulted  one 
another  on  every  major  decision  to  be  made  concerning  the  ranch.     Although 
the  two  sons  differed  in  temperament  and  personality  and  were  not  what  one 
might  call  close,   they  accommodated  these  differences  pragmatically,  with 
the  quieter  Henry   running  the  ranch  and  his  more  outgoing  brother  Will 
dealing  with  the  public.     Their  mutual  respect  and  deliberate  way  of 
reaching  consensus  decisions  in  addition  to  their  division  of  labors,    both 
running  the  ranch  and  defending  the   ranch's   interests  in  the  South  Bay. 
resulted  in  a  profitable  landhold.     Ardenwood  dominated  the  regional 
agricultural  economy  through  the  production  of  row   crops   (lettuce, 
cauliflower)  and  other  high  quality  produce.     Will  and  Henry  were  excellent 
farmers,   good  businessmen,  and  outstanding  citizens,  who  extended  and 
consolidated  their  father's  agricultural   presence   in  southern  Alameda  County. 

The  interview   of  David  Patterson,  Will's  youngest   son,  who  assumed 
management  responsibilities  for  the  ranch  following  the  death  of  his  older 
brothers,    Donald  and  John   (known  as  Jack),    provides  a  frank  assessment  of 
the  difficulties  which  a  family  agricultural  enterprise  faces  when  it 
suffers  the  loss  of  its  patriarchs  in  a  period  of  transition.      During  the 
period  in  which  Donald  Patterson  ran  the  ranch,    Henry's  daughters.    Sally 
Patterson  Adams  and  Marjorie  Patterson,   were  not  actively  involved  in 
decision-making,    this  role  having  been  assumed  largely  by  John  Brooks,   a 
real  estate  developer  who  was   close  to  Donald  Patterson  and  both  anticipated 
and  orchestrated  the  development  process. 

The  interviews  with  Donald's  sons.   George  and  Wilcox.    provide 
considerable  information  concerning  the  ranch  and  their  father.      None  of 
these  memoirs,   however,    sheds  additional  light  on  the  process  of  decision- 
making  between  the  city,    the  Pattersons,    and  John  Brooks,    although  it  is 
likely   that  the  public  records  of   the  period   (1980-1984)  would  be  helpful   to 
historians  interested  in  understanding  the  development  process.      The  next 
stage  of  land  use   clearly   mandated  turning  over  of   substantial  portions   of 
the  ranch  for  residential   development  as  rising  land  values  and  the  shortage 
of  available  land  for  homes  resulted  in  a  new   Fremont  and  a  transformed 
Northern  Plain. 

Following  Donald  Patterson's   death   in  1980,    David  Patterson  continued 
to  manage  the  family  farm  as  the  city  entered  into  a   development  agreement 
with  Brooks.      Despite  serious   rifts  within  the  family,    which  included  an 
abortive  attempt  by  two  of  William   Patterson's   grandchildren  to  bring  suit 
against   their  family  to  obtain  the  value   of   their  undivided  interest  in  the 
ranch  property,    the  family  held  firm  against   this   challenge.      When  the   two 


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young  people  hired  the  nefarious  Kelvin  Belli  to  sue  the  Patterson  family 
and  were  defeated  in  court  (1981).  it  prompted  the  Pattersons  to  move 
rapidly  to  incorporate  as  Patterson  Fremont  Management,  Inc.,  (PFM)  and  to 
set  up  a  series  of  limited  partnerships  to  manage  the  land  in  order  that  one 
or  more  minority  family  members  could  not,  through  undivided  ownership,  lay 
waste  to  the  family's  plan  for  future  ownership  and  management  of  the 
property.  It  was  this  incident  which  convinced  the  Pattersons  that  the  days 
of  consensus  decision-making  as  it  had  existed  with  Henry  and  Will  had 
ended.   By  1982  the  Patterson  Ranch  had  converted  to  a  true  business 
organization. 

Interviews  of  Sally  Patterson  Adams  and  her  husband.  Dr.  John  E.  Adams, 
shed  light  not  only  on  the  personages  of  Henry  and  Sarah  Patterson  but  also 
provide  an  alternative  recollection  on  how  decisions  were  reached  during  the 
1960s  and  1970s,  as  the  transition  was  made  from  agriculture  to  development 
by  individuals  and  forces  outside  the  family.  Sally  Adams  provides  an 
intimate  portrait  of  growing  up  at  Ardenwood.   John  Adams,  an  ardent 
preservationist,  casts  a  skeptical  eye  on  the  chain  of  events  which  led  to 
the  ultimate  transformation  of  the  ranch,  contending  that  the  demand  for 
change  was  orchestrated  by  a  prevailing  coterie  at  City  Hall  rather  than  by 
population  dynamics  or  other  inexorable  forces.  Adams  clearly  believes  that 
the  ranch  could  have  continued  in  farming  had  the  family  been  given  the 
opportunity  to  make  this  choice  through  timely  dissemination  of  information 
and  discussion  of  alternatives  to  development. 

Interviews  by  the  fourth  generation  of  Pattersons  are  informative  for 
their  explanation  of  the  transition  from  ranch  management  by  individuals 
towards  a  corporate  form  of  business  organization.  Bruce  Patterson  provides 
insights  about  his  father.  Jack,  as  well  as  the  strongly  independent  natures 
of  the  W.  D.  and  H.  H.  Patterson  families.   In  this  regard,  interviews  by 
the  fourth  generation  of  Pattersons  make  clear  that  the  testamentary 
dispositions  of  their  grandfathers,  William  and  Henry,  as  well  as  their 
parents,  has  resulted  in  a  current  generation  of  Pattersons  spread 
throughout  the  state  and  country,  of  different  economic  means  and  lacking 
common  objectives  for  Ardenwood.  This,  in  turn,  has  resulted  in  growing 
differences  of  opinion  stronger  than  those  developing  during  the  tenure  of 
the  third  generation.   The  implications  of  land  being  sold  to  outside 
developers  and  the  first  cash  distributions  to  family  members  both  raised 
expectations  and  produced  further  disputes,  rather  than  silencing  them. 
Certain  limited  partners  began  to  question  the  decisions  of  those  family 
members  serving  as  general  partners  and  to  urge  a  liquidation  of  remaining 
ranch  assets.   In  general,  these  disputes  follow  family  lines. 

Interviews  with  other  members  of  the  PFM  Board  include  those  by  former 
president  Robert  Buck,  a  Patterson  son-in-law  and  attorney  who  currently 
serves  as  PFM's  legal  counsel.   Buck  provides  yet  another  perspective  on  the 
events  leading  to  the  Ardenwood  development,  particularly  the  Kaiser  land 
sales  and  the  creation  of  the  Patterson  Properties  business  enterprise 
during  the  1980s. 


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Leon  Campbell,    another   son-in-law   serving  as   PFM's  executive  vice 
president,    recounts  how   he  and  Buck  were  called  upon  to  assume  management 
and  investment  responsibilities  for  the  Patterson  family.     As  the  vast, 
undeveloped  acreage  appreciated  in  value,    situated  within  one  of   the  most 
rapidly  growing  parts  of   the  Bay  Area,    they  completed  tax  deferred 
exchanges,    putting  the  family  into  income-producing  properties  which  PFM 
managed  and  operated.     As  they  assumed  their  posts  in  1985,   Buck  and 
Campbell  were  increasingly  called  upon  to  mediate  between  decisions  which 
had  been  made  prior  to  the  Pattersons'  complete  awareness  of  a  political 
process  which  had  developed  apart  from  them  and  future  policy  issues  which 
loomed  ahead,    such  as  those  of  wetlands,    the  subsidization  of  agriculture, 
and  the  Town  Center  development. 

These  business  recollections  are  paralleled  by  those  of  Donald 
Patterson's  other  son,    George  Patterson,    who  provides  a  sensitive  internal 
history  on  the  family  at  Ardenwood,    and  Abigail  Adams  Campbell,    daughter  of 
Sally  Patterson  Adams,    on  her  grandparents,    Sarah  and  Henry   Patterson. 

Taken  together,   the  several   interviews  by  the  fourth  generation  of 
Patterson  family  management  underscores  the  dichotomy  of  events  which  have 
transpired  in  Fremont's  North  Plain  during  the  period  since  1980  and 
particularly  since  1984.  when  the  initial  land   sale  to  Kaiser  Development 
Corporation  was  instituted.      Hardly  conclusive  in  their  entirety,    these  last 
interviews  restate  the  younger  generation's  perspective  on  their  fathers  and 
grandfathers,    as  well  as  their  own  perceptions  about  the  rapidly  changing 
nature  of  the  real  estate  which  they  have  been  requested  to  monitor  in  the 
future.      These  changes  have  rendered  the  personal   managerial  tradition  of 
the  Patterson  family  largely  unworkable,    although  considerable  nostalgia  for 
the  "old  ways"  still  exists,   which  often  precludes  certain  limited  partners 
from  adhering  to  a  general  partnership  organization.      In  many  ways  the 
family  runs  each  other  rather  than  running  a  business,    a  not  uncommon  aspect 
of  organizations  with  strongly   paternal   origins.     The   challenge  ahead  will 
be  to  forge  a  new  consensus  to  accommodate  an  era  promising  even  greater 
alterations  in  the  Patterson  Ranch  and   the  East  Bay. 


Conclusion  and  Acknowledgements 


In  conclusion,    this  oral   history   of   the  Patterson  family  and  ranch, 
1851-1988,   has  much  to  contribute  to  the  general  history  of  southern  Alameda 
County  and  is  particularly  informative  on  the  transitional  years  between 
1945  and  the  present,   which  are  largely  omitted  in  the  historical 
literature,    by   drawing  on  the  reflections  of  those  who  were  the  primary 
actors  during  those  years. 

The  Regional   Oral   History   Office   of   The  Bancroft  Library   at   the 
University  of   California.    Berkeley,   has  provided  an  ideal  method  for 
understanding  the  linkages  between  the  Patterson  family,    its  agricultural  and 
ranching  enterprise,    and  actions   taken   by    city,    county   and  state 


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organizations  in  response  to  the  pressures  of   rapid  urbanization  occurring 
in  the  East  Bay  during  the  postwar  period.      These  interviews  with  the 
surviving  senior  members  of  the  Patterson  family  and  key  individuals 
associated  with  the  family  agricultural  and  business  operations  over  the 
past  fifty  years  not  only  underscore  the  enormous  changes  taking  place  in 
the  area  during  the  lifetimes  of   those  interviewed,    but  they   also  indicate 
how   and  why  these  changes  were  implemented.     Often  it  appears  that  matters 
of  great  significance  were  reached  by  informal  agreement  rather  than  formal 
debate  both  within  the  family  and  perhaps  outside  of  it.     These  interviews 
reflect  a  simpler  time,    prior  to  the  advent  of  citizen-sponsored  initiatives 
and  environmental  impact  reports,   a  period  when  many  leaders  shared  common 
assumptions   concerning  the  value  of  growth  and  development  to 
municipalities.      Few  could  have  comprehended  the  scope  of  growth  which  was 
to  transform  the  Bay  Area  so  dramatically  during  the  postwar  period  and  the 
reactions  which   it  would  produce. 

The  Patterson  family   is  proud  to  have  its  history   included  in  The 
Bancroft  Library's  treasury  of  interviews  with  major  figures  in  the  history 
of   California  and  the  West.     The  three-volume  oral  history  project 
represents  a  substantial  historiographies!  advancement   towards  the 
development  of  a  comprehensive  history   of   the  East  Bay  and  its  progenitory 
families. 

I  should  like  to  thank  the  staff  of  the  Regional  Oral  History  Office  at 
Berkeley,    particularly  Division  Head  Willa  Baum  and  Project  Director  Ann 
Lage,    for  the  dedicated  effort  which  they  have  made  in  bringing  this  project 
to  fruition  through  the  recording,    transcription  and  editing  of   these 
interviews.     The  trained  oral   historians  on  the  ROHO  staff,   whose  careful 
research  and  sensitive  interview  techniques  are   clearly  manifest  throughout 
the  project,    have  clearly  set  the  tone  for  the  entire  project.     My  long-time 
friend.    Dr.   Knox  Mellon,    former  head   of   the  State  Office   of   Historic 
Preservation  in  Sacramento,    who  skillfully  directed  the  nomination  of  the 
Ardenwood  Regional  Preserve  to  the  National  Register  of  Historic  Places,  has 
also   been  pivotal    in   finalizing  this  project.      Dr.    Mellon's  liaison  as  a 
consultant  to  the  Regional  Oral  History  Office  and  ROHO's   strong  ties   to 
state  and  local   historical   groups  both  assure  that  the  project  meets 
specific  needs  as  well  as  serving  the  larger  scholarly   community  through  the 
questions  it  raises  and  the  information  it  preserves. 

This  oral  history  project  substantially  advances  earlier  studies 
carried  out  by  the  East  Bay  Regional   Park  District,   which  were  designed  to 
analyze  the  property  exclusively  in  terms  of  its  archaeological 
significance.      By  recording  the  reflections  of   two  generations  of  Patterson 
family  members  about  life  and  work  on  the  Patterson  Ranch,    the  project  also 
relates  centrally  to  the  history  of  Fremont  and  to  the  entire  East  Bay  which 
otherwise  might  be  lost  forever. 

Through  the  incorporation  of  interviews  with  members  of  the  Patterson 
Ranch  labor  force,   water  district  officials  and  a  broad  spectrum  of  Fremont 
city  officials  and  politicians,    as  well  as  interviews  with  other  key 
individuals  now   deceased,   recorded  earlier  by  the  Society  of  California 


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Pioneers,    and  interviews  with  individuals  charged  with  the  stewardship  of 
the  remaining  lands  of  Patterson,    this  oral  history  project  anticipates  a 
full   history   of   the  Patterson  Ranch  and  the  South  Bay.      The  subject   should 
be  of  future  value  to  scholars  interested  in  urban  planning,    land  use 
decision-making,    agricultural  history,    the  process  of  municipal   formation 
and  water  issues,    matters  related  to  conservation  and  historic  preservation 
as  they  pertain  to  the  East  Bay  and,    of  course,    the  political   matrix  in 
which  these  issues  are   situated.      In  this  regard,    this  project,  which  deals 
with  life,    land  and  politics  on  the  Patterson  Fremont  Ranch,    exceeds  the  sum 
of  its  parts. 

The  personal   and  financial   support  of  several   individuals  and  groups 
also  made  the  project  possible.      Financial   sponsorship  of  the  project  has 
been  provided  by   the  East  Bay   Regional   Park  District,    the  Brooks   Family 
Foundation,    the   City   of   Fremont,    the  Oliver  De  Silva  Company,    the  Alameda 
County  Water  District,    and  various  members  of  the  Patterson  family, 
especially  David  and  Joan  Patterson,    Dorothy  Patterson,    and  the  J.    B. 
Patterson  Trust.      David  and  Joan  Patterson  have  been  steadfast  in  their 
determination  to  preserve  the  history  of  the  Patterson  family  over  time  and 
have  supported  this  work  at  every  juncture. 

The  present  project  goes  well  beyond  the  Pattersons  to  focus  upon  the 
Patterson  Ranch  during  the  years  in  which  it  was  transformed  from  a  rural 
agricultural  enterprise  to  the  Ardenwood  planned  community.     A  "New  Town" 
both  in  concept  and  in  fact.    Shakespeare's  idyllic  Ardenwood  may  be  an 
elusive  metaphor  masking  the  difficult  choices  that  changes  in  land  use 
inevitably  bring. 


Leon  G.    Campbell 
Executive  Vice   President 
Patterson  Fremont  Management.    Inc. 


May.   1988 

Fremont.    California 


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SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA  COUNTY,  1956 


SAN 
LORENZO 


from  the  1956  Alai?eda  County  map 
California  State  Automobile  Association 


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SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA  COUNTY,  1987 


from  the  1987  Alameda/Contra  Costa  map 
California  State  Automobile  Association 


Regional   Oral   History  Office 
The  Bancroft  Library 


University  of   California 
Berkeley.    California 


THE  PATTERSON  FAMILY  AND  RANCH: 
SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA  COUNTY  IN  TRANSITION 


Mathew   P.    Whitfield 


General  Manager   of   the  Alameda   County 
Water  District.    1953-1977 


An  Interview   Conducted  by 
Ann  Lage 
in  1986 


Copyright 


1988  by   the  Regents   of   the  University   of   California 


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TABLE  OF   CONTENTS  —   Mathew   P.   Whitfield 

INTERVIEW   HISTORY  lc 

BIOGRAPHICAL    INFORMATION  le 


I       WASHINGTON  TOWNSHIP  YOUTH,    ENGINEERING  EDUCATION.    AND 

EARLY   CAREER  lf 

Mission  San  Jose  Family  If 

Schooling  A 

Engineering  Jobs  8 

Wartime  Service  at  Mare   Island  Naval   Shipyard  9 

II       THE  ALAMEDA   COUNTY  WATER  DISTRICT   IN  THE  1950s  13 

Hired  by   the  Water  District  13 

Apprenticeship  under  Ed  Richmond.    1950-1953  16 

Planning  for  Growth:      the  1955  Bond  Issue  20 

The  ACWD  Board  of  Directors  in  the  Early  Fifties  21 

III       WILLIAM  D.    PATTERSON  AND  THE  WATER  DISTRICT  24 

A  Private  Person  24 

Resolution  81:     Blueprint  for  Growth  26 

Quiet  Support  and  Leadership  from  Will   Patterson  28 

Water.    Flood   Control.    Development,   and  Growth  30 

IV        ISSUES  AND  PROBLEMS   OF  THE  FIFTIES  33 

Recharging  the  Ground  Water   through  Percolation  Pits  33 
Pressure  to  Purchase  Hetch  Hetchy  Water  from   San  Francisco       34 

A  Controversy  with  Developers   Conway  and   Culligan,   1954  37 

Water  District  Role  in  Planning  for  Growth  40 

ACHD  and  the  Arroyo  Del  Valle  42 

Patterson  Interest  in  Flood  Control   and  the  Reber  Plan  44 

Board  Member  Jack  Prouty  48 

V        THE  STATE  WATER  PROJECT'S   SOUTH  BAY  AQUEDUCT  52 

Early  Applications  for  Delta  Water  52 

Working  with  the  Department  of  Water  Resources  53 
Ground  Water  Basin  vs.   Hetch  Hetchy  Water:      the   Primary 

Conflict  54 

Juris dictional   Disputes  with  the   Flood  Control  District  55 

Early  Water  Conservation  Measures  56 

District  Role  in  Del  Valle  Reservoir  Planning  58 

Transporting  Water  over  Altamont   Pass  61 

Changing  an  Unreasonable  State   Contract  62 

Fighting  Saltwater  Intrusion  in  the  Ground  Water  Basin  63 

The  Aquifer  Reclamation  Program.   1974  66 


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VI        THE  PUMP  TAX:      CONTROVERSY  WITH  DISTRICT   FARMERS  69 

Enabling  Legislation  and  Rationale  for  the   Pump  Tax  69 

Pump  Tax  Hearings:  Outraged  Reaction  from  Farmers  71 
A  Shifting  Balance  of  Community  Power:  Pump  Tax  Passed. 

1970  73 

Water  Pump  Meters  76 

VII  PROTECTING  THE  GROUND  WATER  BASIN  78 
Standards  for  Well  Abandonment.  Well  Drilling,  and 

Drainage  Wells  78 
Addendum  on  Saltwater  Intrusion  and  the  Aquifer  Reclamation 

Program  80 
Legal  Action  against  Water  Waste  by  Quarry  Operators. 

1968-1974  84 

Pump  Tax  Update  88 
Protecting  the  Alameda  Creek  Watershed  in  the  Liver-more 

Valley  90 

VIII        THE  WATER  DISTRICT  AND  THE   COMMUNITY  93 

Fluoridation  Controversy.   1969-1971  93 

Trip  to  the  Soviet  Union  and  Eastern  Europe.  1972  98 
Citizens  Utility  Company  Buyout:  Community  Pressure* 

Company  Recalcitrance  101 

Perspective  on  Environmental   Impact  Reports  108 

Response  to  the  Drought  of  1977  109 

Relations  with  Cities  and   Citizen  Groups  113 


TAPE  GUIDE  117 

APPENDIX  A:     Notes  on  History  and  Operation  of  Alameda  County 

Water  District.    August  1979  118 


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INTERVIEW  HISTORY  —  Mathew   P.   Whitfield 


Matt  Whitfield  was  first  suggested  as  an  interviewee  for  the  Patterson 
family  and  ranch  project  because,   in  his  position  as  the  general  manager  of 
the  Alameda  County  Water  District,    he  had  worked  closely  with  William  D. 
Patterson.      Patterson  was  the  leading  member  of  the  ACWD  board  of  directors, 
having  served  as  board  member  since   the  district's  founding  in  1914  and  as 
an  active  president  from  1932   to  1954.      He  retired  from   the  board  in  1958. 
It  was  hoped  that  Mr.    Whitfield  could  give  a  first-hand  account  of  Will 
Patterson's  work  for   the   district  and  his  modus  operandi  and  philosophical 
approach  as  board  member. 

As  the  research  for  the  Whitfield  interview  progressed,   however,    it 
became  apparent  that  a  more  comprehensive  documentation  of  Whitfield  and  the 
water  district  would  serve  the  larger  purposes  of  the  oral  history  project — 
to  document  the  transformation  of   the  Patterson  Ranch  as  a  case  study  of 
southern  Alameda   County   in  transition  from  an  agricultural  community  to  a 
residential  and  industrial  suburb  of   the  metropolitan  Bay  Area.      The 
interview  became  an  oral  history  of  Matt  Whitfield  and  of  the  Alameda  County 
Water  District  during  his  term  as   general  manager. 

Matt  Whitfield  went  to  work  for  the  Alameda  County  Water  District  in 
1950  and  served  as  its   general  manager  from  1953   to  1977.     Hired  as  a  local 
boy.    personally  known  by  board  member  Dr.  Grimmer,   Whitfield  managed  a 
relatively  small  water  district,   which  had  been  created  to   safeguard  the 
local   water  supply  and  service  a  community  that  was  primarily  agricultural. 
By  the  time  of  his  retirement,    the  district  had  expanded  to  service  a 
burgeoning  metropolitan  area.      He  had  worked  with  the  district's  board  of 
directors  to  face  the  problems  of  rapid  development  and  increased  demand  for 
water.      The  water  district's  timely  response  to  demands  of  urbanization  made 
possible  the  growth  of  the  community  whose  water  needs  it  served. 

Whitfield's  oral   history    recounts  the  milestones  of   the  district's 
development:     the  1955  bond  issue;  Resolution  81.  which  set  up  terms  for 
development  of  water  delivery  systems  in  new  subdivisions;  ground  water 
recharge  and  protection  programs;  the  decisions  and  negotiations  leading  up 
to  receipt  of  water  from   the  State  Water  Project's  South  Bay  Aqueduct;  the 
controversy  surrounding  the  pump  tax  on  agricultural   use  of  water  from 
underground  aquifers;   and  community   furor  over  fluoridation. 

It  documents  Matt  Whitfield's  low-key  management  style  and  his   direct 
way  of  working  with  the  district's  elected  board  of  directors,   with 
officials   of  local   governments,   and  with  building  contractors.      It 
illustrates  the  contrast  between  the  relatively  informal  operation  of  the 
district  in  the  1950s  and  the   days  of   public  hearings  and  environmental 
impact   reports  by   the  1970s. 

In  addition,    Mr.   Whitfield  was  able  to  give  a  thoughtful   portrayal   of 
Will   Patterson  in  his  role  as   president  and  director.      Whitfield's 


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predecessor  apparently   had  functioned  less  as  a  general   manager  and  more  as 
trouble  shooter  in  the  field.      During  his  tenure.    Patterson,    as   board 
president,    had  performed  many  of  the  managerial  duties  himself.     During 
Whitfield's  term,    he  withdrew  from  this  type  of  active  management,   but  until 
his  retirement,    he  continued  to  hold  a  leadership  role  on  the  board  and  was 
very  supportive  of  Whitfield  as   general  manager. 

In  the  course  of  research  for  this  series,  we  uncovered  in  The  Bancroft 
Library  a  1955  interview  of  William  Patterson  discussing  his  role  as  Alameda 
County  Water  District  founder,  director,  and  president.  It  is  included  as  an 
appendix  to  this  volume. 

The  following  interview  with  Matt  Whitfield  was  conducted  at  his  home 
in  the  Mission  San  Jose  district  of   Fremont  on  May  29,  June  5,   and  June  26, 
1986.     Mr.  Whitfield  was  most  cooperative  in  assisting  research  and 
selecting  topics  for  the  interview,    and  in  the  careful  review   of  the 
interview   transcript.      Tapes  of  the  three  sessions  are  available  in  The 
Bancroft  Library. 

Subsequent  interviewing  for  the  Patterson  project  revealed  a  high 
degree  of  respect  for  Mr.  Whitfield  among  those  in  the  community  who  worked 
with  him.      This  respect  is  further  evidenced  by  the  district's  recognition 
of  his  leadership  and  service  in  dedicating  the  Mathew   P.   Whitfield 
reservoir  in  the  Mission  San  Jose  district  on  September  27.    1986. 


Ann  Lage 

Interviewer/Editor 
Project  Director 


September.   1988 

Regional  Oral  History  Office 

The  Bancroft  Library 

University  of   California  at  Berkeley 


Regional  Oral  History  Office 
Room  486  The  Bancroft  Library 


University  of  California 
Berkeley,  California  94720 


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I      WASHINGTON   TOWNSHIP   YOUTH.    ENGINEERING   EDUCATION.    AND  EARLY 
CAREER 

[Interview   1:     May  29.    1986]#0 


Mission  San  Jose   Family 


Lage: 


Whitfield! 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Today   is  May  29th.    1986,    and  this  is  the  first  interview  with 
Matt  Whitfield  about  the  Alameda  County  Water  District.      We 
wanted  to  start  with  some  personal  background  and  background 
about  the  area.     Before  we  recorded,  you  were  telling  me  a 
little  bit  of   history   about   the  Gallegos  water  system. 

It  was  owned  by   the  Gallegos  family.   Juan  Gallegos,   who  came 
over  here  from   Costa  Rica.      They  somehow   acquired  most  of   the 
properties  around  Mission   San  Jose. 

This  is  the  area  we  are  in  now? 

No,    they  didn't  come  this  far  down  yet;    they   came   down  towards 
Irvington  and  the  Mission  San  Jose   area.      They   had  vineyards. 
They  had  a  little  water  system  of   their   own  in  Mission  San  Jose, 
which  is  now   a  part  of   Fremont,    the  Mission  San  Jose  district. 
After  the  water  district  annexed  Mission  San  Jose  which  was 
around  1940   sometime,    the  water  district  took  their  system   over. 
They  paid  them  a   small   amount   because   I   don't   think  they  had 
more  than  fifteen  or  twenty   customers    [laughs].     As  I  remember, 
my  great-aunt  lived  down  the  other  end  of   town,    the  opposite  end 
of   town  from   the  Gallegos,    and  that's  where  the  water  came  from. 

So   she   got  water  from   them. 


##This   symbol    indicates  that  a   tape   or  a   segment  of  a  tape  has 
begun  or  ended.      For  a   guide  to   the   tapes    see    page  117. 


Whitfield:      Yes.      I   think  they  had  about  a  one-inch  line,    so  on  Saturday 
night  not   too  many   people   could  bathe  at  once    [laughs]. 

Lage:  Did  this  private  delivery   system    continue   until   Mission  San  Jose 

was  annexed? 

Whitfield:     Oh.  yes.     Most  of   the  people  in  town  had  their  own  wells,   but 
the  Gallegoses  had  water  that   came  from   springs,    and  they 
supplied  probably   fifteen  or   twenty   customers  in  town. 

Lage:  Let's   go  now.    after   that  little  aside,    to  talk  about  your 

background,   your  family.      You  started  to  tell   me  where  your 
family   came  from. 

Whitfield:     You  want   to  start  back  with  my   grandparents? 

Lage:  Well,    not  in  tremendous   detail   but  tell  what  your  roots  are. 

Whitfield:      My   mother  and  father  were  both  born  in  Mission  San  Jose  and 
lived   there   all    their  lives. 

Lage:  Give  me   their  names. 

Whitfield:      My   father  was  Mathew  Joseph,    and  I'm  Mathew   Paul  Whitfield.      My 
mother's  name  was  Katie  Boggini;    that  was  her  maiden  name.      In 
fact,    her  real   baptismal  name  was  Henrietta.      That  was  because 
Mrs.   Gallegos  was  her  godmother  when  she  was  baptized  in  the   old 
wooden   church,    St.    Joseph's,    up   there.      That's   a   Costa   Rican 
name,   but   she   never  went   by   that,    she   always  went   by  Kate. 

Lage:  Was   she  related  to  Mrs.   Gallegos? 

Whitfield:     No.    she  was  just  a  godmother.      The  reason   she  was  a   godmother 
was  because  my  grandparents  came  from   Switzerland.      First  of 
all.    my   grandfather  came  over  here  to  work  in  the  Gallegos 
Vineyards    up  in  the  Mission  San  Jose   area.      He   didn't  bring  my 
grandmother  with  him.     He  had  one   child,    my  Aunt  Mary,   who  was 
only  six  months  old  when  she  came  from   Switzerland.      He  worked 
for  the  Gallegoses  so  my   grandparents  lived  on  the  Gallegos 
property   that's  now   owned  by   the  Sisters  of   the  Holy  Family.      So 
my  mother  was   born  on  the  Gallegos   property. 

Lage:  Were  your   grandparents  Swiss- Italian? 

Whitfield:      Swiss-Italian,   yes,    from   the   Italian   part   of    Switzerland. 

Lage:  How   about  your   father's   roots? 

Whitfield:     Let  me   say   that  in  my  mother's   side   of    the  family   there  were   ten 
children.       They're  all   deceased  now.      The  last   one  just   passed 
away   about   eight  months  ago.      Then  on   my   father's   side   of    the 


Whitfield;      family  there  were  eight  children.      There's  three  of   them  living 

now;    I  have   three  aunts   that  are  living.    Tess.    who's   ninety-one; 

and  my  godmother,    Irene,   who  is  eighty-seven;  and  the  youngest 

living  is   eighty-four,    Winifred. 

They   were  all   raised  in  Mission  San  Jose  and  went  to  the 
local   schools.      All   my   father's   sisters  except  one  went  to   San 
Jose  Normal   when  it  was  just  a  normal   school   and  took  up 
teaching.      They  were   teachers   after   they   graduated,    in  the 
general   area  of   Fremont  and  Newark. 

Lage:  They're  the  ones  you  told  me   knew   Tillie  Logan*,    who  also  went 

to  San  Jose  Normal. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      I'd   say    that  Tillie  is  in  the  age   group  of   the  older  of   my 
three  aunts. 

Lage:  It  must   be   unusual   to  find  many  people  who  have  roots  here  for 

that  length   of    time. 

Whitfield:     No,   because   one  of  my  grandmothers  was  twelve  when  she  came 

here.      The   other  one  from   Switzerland  was   seventeen.      So  that 
goes  back.      I  think  my   grandmothers  would  be  over  120  biological 
years  old  if   they  were    still   living. 

Lage:  Now   how   about  your   father's  family?     Where  did  they   come  from? 

Whitfield:      My   grandmother,    Teresa  Nolan,    came  from  San   Francisco.     Her 

family   moved  up  into  the  Sheridan  Road  up  by   Sunol.      There  was  a 
colony  of   Irishmen  up  there.      My   grandmother's  maiden  name  was 
Teresa  Nolan. 

Lage:  Was  she   Irish? 

Whitfield:     Yes,    she's   Irish.      Then  my   grandfather  came  from   England.      He 
went  from  England  to  New  Zealand  and  left  New  Zealand  and 
somehow    get  into  the  town  of  Niles.      So  he  was  English.      So  I'm 
a  quarter   Irish,    a  quarter  English,    and  half   Swiss- Italian. 

Lage:  Well,    a  nice  mix.      As   I  was  looking  at  the  water  district 

records  it   seems  as  if  your  father  worked  for   the   district. 

Whitfield:  Yes,  my  father  worked  in  the  operations  department.  He  put  in 
waterlines  and  meters  and  all  that  kind  of  thing.  That's  when 
they  had  about  three  people  working  for  them. 


*See  interview  with  Tillie  Logan  in  this   series. 


Lage:  It  seemed  that  way.     And  he  was  paid  almost  as  much  as   the 

general    manager,    fifty   dollars  less  a  month. 

Whitfield:      Yes.      Well,    the   pay  scale  was  very  low   then.      In  fact,    when   I 
was  hired — talk  about   pay — the  board  of   directors   didn't  know 
what   to   do  about  what  kind  of    salary   I   should   get.      I  had   been 
making  $429  a  month   in  the  late  forties  when  I  was  available  to 
work  for   them,    so   that's  what   they   gave  me.     But  it  was  just 
slightly   under  what   the  general   manager  was  making. 


Schooling 


Lage: 

Whitfield:     Do  you  want   to  talk  about  my  education,    or — ? 


What  was  the  community   like  here  as  you  were  growing  up  as  a 
young  boy? 


Lage:  Your  education,    but  also — 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Well,    let  me   say   that  all   my   father's  and  mother's 

families  went  to  the  Old  Mission  school  up  here  in  Mission  San 
Jose,    which   subsequently  became  the  second  temporary  city  hall 
for  the  city  of  Fremont.      That's   the   same   grammar  school    I  went 
to.      It  was  in  operation  from   1915  to  1955.    and  then  the  state 
condemned   it. 

Lage:  As  earthquake — ? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Then  Ed  Huddleson  bought  it.      He  was   the  one  who  purchased 
the  Witherly  property  where  the  Ohlone   College  now   stands.      So 
the  city   rented  space   in  the  old  school    for   several  years  before 
they   built  a   city  hall   of    their   own. 

Lage:  It  was  a  public  school? 

Whitfield:      It  was  a  public  school.      I  went  there. 

Lage:  Was  it   small? 

Whitfield:     Yes,    there  were  four  classrooms,    you  know,    and  multiple  classes 
for  one   teacher.      In  fact,    my  Aunt  Tessie   taught   there  in  the 
year  of   1919.      She  taught   some   of   my   mother's  brothers  and 
sisters  when  they  were  younger. 


Lage: 


When  were  you  born? 


Whitfield:      I  was   born  in  1917   in  Mission  San  Jose. 

Lage:  Then  what  about  high   school,   where  did  you  go? 

Whitfield:      I  went  to  Washington  High  School.      In  fact,    some   of   my  aunts  and 
uncles  went   to  Washington  High  School.      It  was  at  another 
location  about  five   blocks  from  where  it  is  now.     That's  where 
Tillie  Goold  and  all   the  Logans  went.      In  fact,    my   aunts  used  to 
ride  an  old  horse  and  buggy   down  there  every   day  to   go  to  high 
school,    from   Mission  San  Jose. 

When  I  went  to  high  school   there,    Washington  High  was  the 
only  high  school  between  Hayward  and  San  Jose.      Then  this  whole 
area — you  see,    Fremont's  made   up  of   five  little  towns,    and  then 
there  is  Newark;   then  Decoto,   and  Alvarado,   which  are  now   a  part 
of  Union  City.     Each   one   of   those  little  towns  had  an  elementary 
school.      Then,    of   course,    after   the  incorporations   they   all  went 
into   city    unified  school    districts.      There's   three   different 
unified  school   districts  here   now. 

Lage:  There  was  just  the  one  high   school,    though,    then. 

Whitfield:  It   served  the  eight  little  towns  around  here,   yes. 

Lage:  Did  they   have  a  bus;   did  you  take   a  bus  to  school? 

Whitfield:  Yes. 

Lage:  Did  you  have  brothers  and  sisters? 

Whitfield:      I  had  one   sister.    She   passed  away  in  1958.      I  have   two  nieces 
and  one   nephew,    my    sister's   children. 

Lage:  We  are  skipping  over  this  quickly,    but   I  just  want  to   get  a 

general   view    of  your  background. 

After  Washington  High — 

Whitfield:      I  went   to  San  Jose   State  and  I   took  pre- engineer  ing  because  in 
those   days  San  Jose  State  wasn't   that  big.      First  of   all,    my 
sister  was   taking  teaching.      My   aunts,    Tessie,    Irene,    and 
Winnie,   went  there  and  they  became  teachers.      I  was  very  young 
when  I   got  out   of   high   school;   I  was  only   sixteen,    so  I  wasn't 
sure  what   I  wanted,    so   I   signed  up  for  teaching.      I  was  in  there 
two  weeks;  then  two  of  my  buddies  that  went  with  me  all  through 
high  school    signed  up  for   pre-engineering.      I  kind  of  liked  what 
they   were  doing  so  I   switched  over  to  engineering.      We  could 
only   go   there   two  years,    so   I   then   transferred. 


Lage: 


It  was  just  a   two-year  school? 


Whitfield:      In  the  engineering.      It  was  just   pre-engineering;  it  was  four 

years  for   teachers  and  ether   professions.      Then  I   transferred   to 
the  University   of   Santa   Clara  and  went   there   three  years.      I 
graduated  in  1939.   with  a  bachelors   of  science  in  mechanical 
engineering.      That's  the  extent  of   my   education,    other   than  some 
courses   that  I  took  and   that   type   of    thing. 

Lage:  When  you  were  here  in  the  local   school   district,    did  a  lot  of 

the   children  go  on  to   college?      Were   there   teachers   that 
encouraged  you  to  do   that? 

Whitfield:     Well,    they   encouraged  me,    yes.      Of   course,    one   thing — see.    none 
of   my   mother's   brothers  or   sisters  went.      In  fact,    my   father 
always   said  his  education  was  he  graduated  from   the  fourth 
grade.     None   of   my  mother's   brothers  or   sisters  or  my  mother 
went.      Well,    the  younger  daughters  and  son  went  to  high   school, 
and   the   older  ones   didn't.      One   thing  about  it  was   that   one    of 
my   father's  brothers,    the  only   one   of    the  boys  that  ever  went 
part-time  to  college — he  went  to  the  University   of   Santa   CLara. 
he  was  a  football  player — but  he  died  from   spinal   meningitis 
when  he  was  about  19  years   old.      So   I   always   thought  that  if   I 
ever  went   to   college   I'd  like   to  go   to  Santa   Clara. 

Lage:  But  his   sisters  went  to   college  to  become   teachers. 

Whitfield:     Well,    three   of   the  sisters  became  teachers,    and  one  was  a 

milliner;    she  worked  for  a  hat   place  in  San  Jose.     But  none   of 
the   boys — my    father's   brothers — went   on  to  school. 

Lage:  Did  your  family  encourage  you  to   go?     Was   that  a   goal? 

Whitfield:     Yes.    very    much   so.      It  was   struggle  because  we  didn't  have  much. 
You  know,    my  father  ran  the  ranch  up   there,    and  it  was   pretty 
close   pickings   sometimes. 

Lage:  Now  what  ranch  did  he  run? 

Whitfield:     Well,    he  ran  the  property   all   of  which  at  one   time  belonged  to 
the  Gallegos.      The  main   part  was   the   gardens:      there  were 
seventeen  acres  of   gardens.      Most  of    it  is  now   owned  by   the 
Sisters  ef   the  Holy   Family. 

Lage:  Has  it  been  preserved? 

Whitfield:     Oh.    yes.      The  Sisters  have   their  novitiate   up  there  and  their 
convent.       It's   a    beautiful    place. 


Lage : 


Is  it   something  people   can   go  and  see.    or  is  it — ? 


Whitfield:     Oh.    if  you  wanted  to  go.      I  work  very   closely  with  them.      I  ran 
their  festivals  for  years. 

Lage:  This  was  a   sideline,    running  their  festivals? 

Whitfield:      Oh.  yes.      I'm  a  Catholic,  and  I  used  to  run  them.     Well,  we  had 
a  wonderful    time,    yes.      It's  was  an  annual   fair,    raising  funds 
for  them.      I  was  kind  of   their  advisor  on  things  when  they  were 
building  up   there.      My   father  used  to  go   up  and  help.    too. 

Then  there  were   a  hundred  acres  of  prunes.      In  fact,    some 

of   it  was  right   up  here  on  Palm  Avenue,  twenty-seven  acres.      I 

started  my  professional  life  as  a  prune  picker,    [laughter]      On 

my  knees,    picking  prunes  for  my   father,  yes. 

Lage:  So  your  father  managed  that  ranching  operation? 

Whitfield:     Yes,    he  ran  all   the  ranching  operations  for   them. 
Lage:  Was   that  later  after  he  worked  for   the   district? 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 


No,    that  was  before.      He  left  there  in  1941.    I  think,    and  then 
he  went  down  and  worked  for  the  water  district  for  about  four  or 
five  years.      Then  he  took  over  a  service   station  and  ran  that 
until  he  retired.      In  fact,    the   service   station  was   right  across 
the  street  from    the  water  district  yard,    which  was  about  as  big 
as   my   backyard. 


My   goodnessl      Times  have  really   changed, 
notice  it  more. 


In  this  area  you 


Yes.      Well,    when  I  was  growing  up  there  were  just  these  little 
towns.      You  knew,   maybe  five   or   six  hundred  people  at  the  most. 

And  then  just  open  space,    farms — ? 

Farms,    orchards,    a  lot   of  row   crop,   not  too  much  irrigation  up 
in  this  area  like   there  was   down  in  the  valley   in  Centerville 
and  in  through   there.      But   the   orchards  had  to  be  irrigated,    the 
prune   orchards  once   or   twice   a  year.      I  think  they   had  about 
four  acres   of   apricots,    toe. 

Was  that  irrigation  system  based  on  wells? 
Yes. 


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Engineering  Jobs 


Lage:  What  kind  of  jobs   did  you  have  after  college? 

what  year? 


You  graduated  in 


Whitfield:     Nineteen  thirty-nine.      Let's   see.    the  first  j  ob  I   had  was — well. 
in  fact,   when  I  got  out   of   Santa   CLara   there  were  eleven  in  our 
graduating  class  of   engineering.      I  was  the  only  one   that  had  a 
job  because  in  these   days   there  weren't   too  many  jobs   around. 

Lage:  This  was  Depression  time. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      So  this  fellow — I  think  his  name  was  Cochran — had  called 
up  Dean  Sullivan  at  Santa   Clara  and  asked  if   they  had  any  young 
engineers  that  might  want  a  job.      So  he  asked  me  if  I  would  be 
interested.      It  was  just  a  one-man  operation;  he  worked  out   of 
his  house.      He  did  design  work.      It  was  in  industrial   gas 
burners  and  that  kind  of   stuff.      I  took  the  job  at   $115   a  month. 
I   was  with   them   for,    oh,    a  year,    about  a  year.      He  went  out  of 
business. 

Then  I   called  Dean  Sullivan  and  asked  if   there  was  anything 
else.      There  was  another  one-man  operation  in  San  Jose  and  his 
name  was  Erstead,      He  had  invented  and  built  a  burlap  bag 
turning  machine.      You  know,   when  they  sew    the  burlap  and   then 
they    cut   the  bags   out.      Then  they   have  to  be   turned  so   that  the 
seam  is  inside.      When  I  saw    that  machine    [laughs],    it  was  an 
inventor's  nightmare.      I   thought,    "fiov   am   I  ever  going  to  figure 
what   this   thing  does?" 

Lage:  Now  what  would  have  been  your  job  as  an  engineer? 

Whitfield:  I   did  a  little   design  work,    then  I   did  drafting. 

Lage:  Relative  to  this  machine? 

Whitfield:  That  was   the  only   thing  he  had. 

Lage:  Did  he  want  you  to  kind  of    refine  it? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Well,    he  had  ideas  but  did  a  lot — you  see.    in  those   days 
when  you  got  out   as  an  engineer  you  usually  went  to  work  doing 
drafting  work.      There  weren't  any   of   these   big  plush  jobs  at 
forty    thousand   dollars   a  year. 


Lage: 


Were  you  a   particular  kind  of  engineer? 


Whitfield:      Mechanical.      He  was   a  very   difficult  man  to  work  for.      He'd   go 
off   on  a   tangent,    you  know,    yell   his  head  off.      But  he  had 
reputation  of   being  rather   strange  in  San  Jose   because  he'd   go 
into  one   of   these   supply  places  and  they'd  practically   throw   him 
out  all    the   time.      [laughter] 

Lage:  That  must  have  given  you  great  experience   to  prepare  you  to  work 

for  a   board   of    directors  later. 

Whitfield:     Well,    none   of   them  were  like  him,    thank  goodness.      But,    then.    I 
wasn't  very  happy   there.      Then  Dean  Sullivan   called  me  and   said 
there  was  an  opening  up  at  Pacific  Gear  and  Tool.      Well,    the 
chief  engineer  up  there  had   graduated  from  Santa   Clara  as  an 
engineer,     too.      That  was  at  Pacific  Gear  and  Tool. 

At   Pacific  Gear  and  Tool,    all    the   sens  went  to  the 
University   of   Santa   Clara  and  took  engineering.      One  became  a 
Jesuit   priest.      So  they   always  had  the   "in"  at    Pacific  Gear  and 
Tool    if  you  were  a  Santa   Clara  graduate.      I     went  to  work  for 
them.      I   spent   the  first  year  or  year  and  a  half  just    drafting. 
Then  I   got  into  some  designs.      What  they  did  was  gear  work  and 
speed  reducers.      Have  you  see   pictures   of   these   big  oil  well 
pumps,    the  things  that  pump  up  and  down?     Well,    they  made  the 
big  gear   drives  to   drive   those.      I   did  design  work  on  these  and 
that   type    of    stuff   for  four  years. 

Then  in  1944,    I  was   deferred  because  Pacific  Gear  was  doing 
mostly   national    defense. 


Wartime  Service   at  Mare  Island  Naval   Shipyard 


Lage:  The  draft  must  have  picked  up  about   that  time. 

Whitfield:      Yes.    it  had.      I  worked  for  Pacific  Gear   until  '44.      I  was 

deferred.      Then  this  fellow,    another  Santa   CLara  graduate  who 
was  there  before  me,   we  were  both  talking  about   going  into  the 
navy,    but  we  had  a  wonderful   boss  to  work  for  and  we  didn't  want 
to  leave  him  in  the  lurch.      I   said,    'Veil,   you're  a   senior   to  me 
so  you  go  first."    [laughs]      Then  I  waited  about  almost  another 
year,    and   then  I   signed  up.      I   got  a   commission  in  the  navy  as 
an  ensign. 

Then  they   sent  me  down  to  the  University  of  Arizona  at 
Tucson  for  a  two-month  indoctrination  course.      I  was   down  there 
two  months  and  then  I  was  transferred  back  to  Mare  Island  up  at 
Vallejo.      I  spent   the   duration  of   my   service   up  at  Vallejo. 

Lage:  So  you  never  got  overseas? 


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Whitfield:     No.    I  never  got  any  experience  at   sea.      I  was  assigned  to  the 
ship  superintendent,    which   involved  ship  repairs  and  replace 
ments  in  the  mechanical  and  electrical   equipment  area  on 
auxiliary  vessels,    and  I   learned  an  awful   lot  because   I  had 
never  been  exposed  to  such  a  variety   of   equipment   before. 

Then  I  was  transferred  up  in  the  planning  department. 
What  we  had  to  do  was   there'd  be   two  officers  assigned  to  each 
ship.      One  would  be   for   the  hull   repairs,    and  one  would  be   for 
machinery  and  electrical.      I  was  machine.     But  our  job  was  to 
get  everything  done  while  the  ships  were  in  the  yard  for  a 
specific  time   period.      We  had  to  report  weekly  on  the   progress 
te  the  captain  whe  was  the  repair  superintendent. 

Lage:  It  had  some  relationship  to  engineering  but  not — ? 

Whitfield:     Well,    it  was   good  practical   experience  of  learning  about 

machinery  and  mechanisms  and  all   because   on  a   ship  there's 
practically  every   type   of   machinery   and  equipment  aboard. 

I'll   never  forget  the  first   time   I  went  up  to   the   ship   I 
was  assigned  to.      It  was  the  Ell  Dorado,   a  flag  ship  for  landing- 
craft  operations.      I  had  done   seme   design  work  at   Pacific  Gear 
on  some   of   the  units  that  were  involved.      They   had  a   CICi    a 
communication  information  center.      You  see,    this  ship  would   go 
out   and  direct  all   the  amphibious   ships'   operations.      They   were 
putting  in  this   CIC,    this   communication  information   center.      I 
walk  in  this   compartment,    as  big  as  this  room   here,    and  there 
were  wires  hanging  all   over   the   place.      [laughs]      "Oh,    Gedl      If 
it's   my   job   to   get   those  wires  hooked  up,    forget  it."     But   it 
worked   out. 

Then  I  was  transferred,    after  being  there  about  a  year.    I 
was  transferred  up  into  the   planning  section   under  another 
captain.      There  were  civilian  planners  assigned  to  machinery   and 
hull  work,   but   they  had  officers  over   them.     We   used  to   go  out 
and  meet   ships  way   out  at  sea.    and  then  we'd  have   conferences 
with   their   officers.      They'd  have   their  lists   of   repair  and  work 
and  alterations  that  they  wanted  done,    and  we  would  make 
decisions  en  the  way   in  as  to  what  we   could  and   could  net   do. 
Say,    if   they   were  in  for   thirty  days  or  sixty  days,    we  would 
decide  what  materials  were  available  to  do  it  and  authorize 
certain  work  to  be   done. 

Lage:  It   sounds  like   good  training  for   the  job  at  the  water   district. 

Whitfield:      Yes,    it  was  very  enlightening  and  gave  me   some   good  practical 

experience.      The  only   thing  is  I  was  only   an  ensign  and  we   used 
to  meet  sometimes  with  commanders  and  captains,   four  stripers, 
yeu   know. 


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Lage: 
Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 

Lage: 

Whitfield; 
Lage: 
Whitfield; 


And  tell   them  what  you  could  do  for  them? 

Yes,    yes.      In  fact,    we  had  a  very   senior  captain  who  was  over 
the   planning  section,    my  boss.    Captain — oh,    I   can't   even   think 
of    his  name.      He  was  a  nice   guy,    though.      Some  of   these 
officers,   you  know,   like   commanders,    they'd  resent  the  fact   that 
an  ensign  would  say,  "I'm  sorry,  sir,  we  can't  do  this."    A 
couple   of   them   said,    "Well.    I   guess  we're   going  to  have  to   go 
over  your    head."     I    said,     "Fine."    [laughs] 

In  our  office  we  had  two   desks  facing  each  other,    and  one 
would  always  be  the  mechanical   man  for  officers  that  worked  in 
our  department,   and  one  would  be  the  hull  man.      When  a   captain 
rang,     the  planning  superintendent  or   the  repair  superintendent, 
it  was  a   continuous  ring  so  you  always  knew  when  a   captain 
called.      So  we  got  back  to  an  office   from   this  excursion  after 
reviewing  all   the  job  requests.      When  I  went  in,    I   sat   down  at 
my   desk,    and  I  was  there  about  half  an  hour  and   [making  a 
ringing  sound]    it  was   the   captain,    the   planning  superintendent. 

He   says,    "Whit,    come  on  in.      I've  got  seme  friends  of  yours 
in  here.      I  went  into  his   office  where   there  were   several   of   the 
ships   officers.      I   thought.    "Oh  no,    I'm   in  trouble  now."     So  he 
said.    "Captain  so-and-so  wants  to  know,   you  turned  him   down  on 
such-and-such.      Why?"     I  went   through   about  ten  different 
things,    you  know,    and  he'd  say,    "Why   did  you  do  it?"     "Well,    we 
don't  have   that  equipment   available.       It  is  too  short  a   time," 
or  whatever  the  reason  might  be.      He  knew   all    these  other 
officers.      He   turned  to   the   captain,    'Well,    Bill,    that's  the 
story. " 


[laughs]      That's  nice   to  be   backed 


up. 


Oh.   wonderful.      It   certainly   gave  me  a  feeling  of   courage.    I 
tell  you  that,  yes. 

So  after  the  war  you  came  back  to  Washington  Township? 

Yes. 

How    eld  were  you  then?      Would  it  have  been  '45? 

Yes,    it  was   1945,   and   I  was   then  28  years   old. 

I  didn't  tell  you  about   my  job  after   Mare  Island.      I  went 
to  work  for  A.B.    Chance   Company.      They  manufactured  high  voltage 
electrical    equipment,    switches,    tools,    etc.,    in  San  Francisco. 


Lage: 


This  was   after   the  war,    then? 


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Whitfield:      Yes.    that  was  in  '47.      Their  home   plant  was  in   Centralia. 

Missouri.      When  they    first  moved  out  here,    the  union  pulled  them 
out  en  strike.      They  pulled  five   companies  out  on  strike,    and 
they   were  one   of   them.      Well,    they   hadn't  even  gotten 
established  out   here. 

Then  when  I  was  with  them,    after  a  couple  of  years,    they 
did  the   same   thing  again,    so  A.B.    Chance   Company  just  made   up 
their  mind;    they   said.    "Well,    we're  net  going  to  fight   this 
anymore."     They  had  just   started  to  build  up   some    sales 
territory   and  all   that   so   they  just   decided  to  move  all  the 
production  work  back  to   Centralia.    Missouri.      So   I  went   back 
there  with  them   for  about  three  weeks  te  familiarize  them  with 
the  San  Francisco  operations   since   they  had  not   done   this   kind 
of   work  before. 

Lage:  Did  you  ever   think  of  moving  back  there? 

Whitfield:     No.      I  was  their  methods  engineer  in  San  Francisco,    and  I   did 

some   design  work,    too.     But   then  when  they  took  everything  back, 
they  just  left  an  assembly   shop.      No.    I  stayed  with  them  while 
they  were  in  the  transition  while  they  were  moving.      Then   I  was 
just   in  charge   of   the  assembly  department  for  a  time. 

They  wanted  me  te   come  back,   but   I'd  never  been  to  the 
Midwest   before.      When  you  lived  in  Centralia,    Missouri,   you 
either  worked  for  A.B.    Chance   Company,    or  you  raised   corn  and 
soybeans,    or  you  had  a  little   store  in  town.      It  wasn't  very 
big.     But   they  were   a  very  wonderful   company  to  work  for. 


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II      THE   ALAMEDA    COUNTY  WATER  DISTRICT    IN  THE   1950S 


Hired  by   the  Water  District 


Whitfield:      So  I  was  in  between  jobs,    and  I   think  I've  told  you  before  that 
Dr.   Grimmer,   who  was  en  the  board  of  directors    [of   the  water 
district]   when  I  was  hired.   Dr.   E.M.   Grimmer  was  our  family 
doctor.        He  was   a  fishing  and  hunting  buddy   of   my  father's.      We 
were  going  up  to  Winchester  Bay   in  Oregon  on  a  fishing  trip, 
both  families,    and   I  was   driving  Dr.   Grimmer's   car  for  him. 


Whitfield:     He  asked  me  what   I  was   doing.      I   told  him  I  was  in  between  jobs. 
We   got  talking  about  it.      He   said,    "Well,   you  know,    we've  been 
thinking  about  hiring  a  young  engineer  for   the  water  district 
because  the   present   general   manager  is   getting  way   up  in  years, 
and  we  know    things   are  going  to  start  growing  around  here."     He 
said,    "We've   been  talking  about  hiring  someone.      Would  you  be 
interested?"     I    said.    "Yes,     I'd  be  very    much   interested." 

When  we  got  home,   he   said,    "Well,    I'll   call  Will 
Patterson."  who  was  president  of   the  board,    "and  talk  to  him 
about  it."     So  I  went   down  and  had  an  interview  with  him.      Then 
they   said,    "Maybe  we  ought  to  have  the  rest  of   the  board" — well, 
I  knew  some  of   the  ether  beard  members  anyway. 

Lage:  Did  you  say  you  talked  with   the  two  of   them? 

Whitfield:      Yes.     We  went   down  to  Mr.    Patterson's  together  to  talk  about  it. 

Lage:  That  was  a  long  time  ago,    but  do  you  remember  any  of   the  conver 

sation? 


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Whitfield:      They  knew   I  was  an  engineer,   and  I   brought   them   up-to-date   on 
what  I  had  been  doing  and  what  my  experience  was,    what  my 
educational   background  was.      I   didn't   knew    Mr.    Patterson  before 
that  but  Dr.    Grimmer  knew   me  well.      But  they  knew   me,    they  knew 
the  family.      Mr.    Patterson  knew    my   father. 

Lage:  Was  Mr.    Patterson  really  a  part  of   the  community?      Other  people 

I've   talked  to  spoke   of    the  family  as   if   they  were   sort   of 
removed. 

Whitfield:     They   were  to  some   degree.      In  fact.    I  didn't  even  know   of    the 
Patterson  family.      I  lived  in  Mission  all   the   time,   and  they 
were  down  in  the  north  plain  area.      Of   course,    in  those   days 
everything  was  spread  out.   and   there  were  just  individual  little 
towns.      They    weren't  recluses   or   anything,    but   they    didn't 
participate  in  functions  in  the   community.      They  helped  out  on 
things,    charitable   things   and  all   that. 

Lage:  But  your  father   did  have   seme    contact  with  him? 

Whitfield:     Yes.    my   father  knew   Will   Patterson  because  of   having  been  in  the 
farming   business. 

Well,    the  interview  was  just  generalizations.    "Mould  you  be 
interested  in  it?"     I  reemphasized   that   I  never  had  much 
experience   in  design  or  anything  in  the  water  works   business. 
There  wasn't  too  much  questioning  of  me.      I   think  they  were  kind 
of   pleased  to  find  that  they   found  a  young  engineer  who  would  be 
interested. 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 
Lage: 
Whitfield: 


I  wonder  if   they  were  happy   to  find  somebody    from   the  community? 

Oh.    I  think  so. 

Knowing  Dr.    Grimmer  was  a  big  help? 

Oh,   yes.      There  was  only  one   board  member   that  I   didn't   know, 
and  that  was  Louis  Amaral.      He  was  from   the  Alviso  district, 
down  the   other   side   between   Centerville  and  Alvarado.      Then   I 
met  with   the  board  of  directors  and  had  another  preliminary 
discussion.      They  asked  some  questions;    then  they    said,    "Well, 
we'll   have   to   give   it   some   thought." 


Lage : 
Whitfield: 


So   I  waited  around  a  while. 
Westvaco   in  Newark. 

What  was  it? 


I  had  an  offer  to   go  to 


That  was  a   chemical   plant.      I  went   down  and  applied  down  there. 
In  fact,    dark  Redeker.   who  has   been  on  the  water   district   board 
since   1966,    worked  for  Westvaco.      Anyway,    I  went  down,    and  I  was 


Lage: 


Lage: 


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interviewed.      They   didn't  have  any   openings   down  there,    but  they 
had  an  opening  for  plant  manager  up  in  Pocatello,    Idaho.      I 
wasn't   too  interested  in  going  there,    but  it  was  a  job.      So  I 
waited  around  a   couple   of  months. 

So  I  waited,    and  finally   I  met  Dr.   Grimmer  once,    and  I 
said,   "Hey,   I  haven't  heard  anything."     Oh,  he  said,  "Yes,  well, 
the  real    problem   is  we  don't  know   what  to  do  with  Ed."     I  said. 
"Well,    what    do  you  mean?"     He    said,    "He's    getting  old.      We're 
kind  of   a  little  squeamish  about   bringing  someone  in  and  letting 
him   know    that  he's   going  to  be  retired  or   something  like   that." 

Ed  Richmond  is  mentioned  as  being  involved  in  water  since  1906. 


Whitfield:      Oh,   yes.      You  see,    the  Alameda   County  Water  District  took  over 
the  plant  in  Alvarado  from   the  Oakland  Water  Works.      You 
remember  reading  about  that?      They  had  several  wells  in  Alvarado 
which  pumped  out   of   the  water  basin.      Ed  Richmond  operated  that 
plant  for  the  Oakland  Water  Works.      So  in  1930  when  the  water 
district   took  the  plant  over,    they   took  Ed  over  also.      They   made 
him   general   manager. 


And  he'd  been  there  ever   since. 


Whitfield:      Yes.      He  was  in  his  late   seventies. 


Lage:  I   see.      They   felt  squeamish   about  retiring  him. 

Whitfield:      Yes,    because   they   didn't  have  any  retirement  benefits.      He  had 

worked  hard.      He  physically  worked;  he  put   pipes  in  and  all  that 
stuff.      He  was  very   conscientious,    but  he  was — until  you   got  to 
know    him — a  little  hard  to  work  with.      They  had  another  engineer 
who  was  retired  from  Southern  Pacific,   Herb  Harrold.      He  was 
secretary   of   the  board.      In  fact,    he  was  a   trustee  of   the  high 
school  when  I  was   there. 

Lage:  But  he  was  an  engineer,    not  a  board  member? 

Whitfield:      Yes.   he  was  an  engineer.     He  was  retired  from   the  Southern 

Pacific.      See,    in  those   days,    they   didn't  have  any   maps  of   where 
the   pipes  were,    anywhere.      Everything  was  in  Ed  Richmond's  head. 
So  they   hired  Herb  Harrold  to  come  in  and  get  the  information 
from  Ed  and  put  it  en   paper,    on   drawings. 

Well.    Ed  could  be   in  a  bad  mood  seme  day    [laughs],   and  he 
didn't  want  to  be   bothered  with  Herb,    and  he  wouldn't   go  out 
with  him  to  show   him  where  the  pipes  were.      So  when  I  got  there 
I   got  in   the  middle. 


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Apprenticeship  Under  Ed  Richmond.    1950-1953 


Lage:  How   did  you  deal  with  that  problem  with  Ed  Richmond?      Did  you 

have  a  better   time  with  him? 

Whitfield:     Well,    let's   go   back  to — this  was   the   board  before    I    got  hired. 
So  we  met  again  with   the  beard  of   directors.      They   said.    "Ve 
want  you  to  come  to  work  for  us.    but  we  just   don't   know  what  to 
do  with   Ed."     1   said.    "I'll  make   a   suggestion  if  you  really   want 
me  to  come  to  work  for  you.      Appoint  me  assistant  to  the  manager 
and  I'll  get  in.   learn  all  I  can  as  fast  as  I  can."     That's  what 
I   did.      [Hired  September  20.    1950.] 

In  these   days,    they   wrote  water  bills  out   by   hand. 
Sometimes   that's  what   I  had  to   do,    doing  that. 

Lage:  What  kind  of   staff  did  they   have  besides  Ed  Richmond? 

Whitfield:      They  had  Ed  Richmond.      Herb  Harrold  was   paid  by   the  hour,   and  he 
was   secretary   of   the  board.      Then  they  had  Jewell  Amaral.    who  I 
went  to  high  school    [with]. 

Lage:  Who  was  the  board  member's   daughter? 

Whitfield:     No.    he  was  her   uncle.      That  was  Louis  Amaral. 
Lage:  Was  she  clerical   staff? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      There  was  her  and  Marie  Santos.      I  knew    all   her  family; 

they  were  from  Mission.  There  was  a  total  of  eight.  That's  all 
that  was  in  the  office,  but  there  was  a  total  of  eight  employees 
when  I  went  to  work  for  them.  I  was  one  of  them. 

So  that's  what  I   did.      I  went   in,    and  I   did  everything  Ed 
asked  me   to   do,   except  a    couple   times.     You  know.    I   always 
wanted  to  get  out   in  the  field  and  see  what  was  going  on.      He 
had  me  locked  in  there   too  much  of   the   time. 

Lage:  Was  he  jealous  of   letting  go  of   his  j  ob  by   training  you.    do  you 

think? 

Whitfield:     No,    I  don't  think  so.      I  don't  think  so.      But  one  day  there  was 
a  big  water  main  leak  over  in  the   underpass  at  Niles.      We   always 
had  a   problem   with   that   darn  pipe   over   there.      I  was  in  the 
office.      It  was   billing   time,   and   I  was   doing  bills.      So   I 
waited  about   four   or  five  hours,    and  Ed   didn't   come  back,    so  I 
got  in  the   car  and  went   over. 


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He   said.    "Vhat  are  you  doing  here?"     I   said.    "I've  come  to 
see  what's   going  en.    what   the    problem   is?"     "You're   supposed  to 
be   back  there   doing  bills."     And  I   said,    "Well.    I'm  going  t© 
stay  and  watch  to   see  what's   going  on,"     "Well.     I  want  you  to   go 
back."     I  said,   "Listen,   I'm  net  going  back.     I  was  hired  to 
learn  what's   going  on  in  the   district,    and   get  educated  in  the 
field  of   water   engineering.      I'm  going  to  go  out  and  see  what's 
going  on  from   now    en."     He    said,    ''Okay."    [laughs]      And   after 
that  everything  was  fine. 

Lage :  So  that  was  resolved  without  your  having  to  take   it  up  with  the 

board. 

Whitfield:     Yes.     Oh,   I  w  ouldn1 1  take  it  up  w  ith  the  board.     Ithinkyou're 
right,    though.      I  was  very  lucky  because,   when   I  worked  for   this 
guy  Er stead  down  there  in  San  Jese.    I  learned  that  at  times  I 
was   going  to  run  into  people  who  were  hard  to   get  along  with.      I 
felt  that  I   could  have  enough  patience   to  stay   long  enough  to 
learn   something. 

When  I  was  up  at  Mare  Island  we  had  Captain  Burris,   who 
was   the  repair  superintendent.      He  was  a  pusher.      We  had  to  have 
a  conference  every   week  and  a  progress  report  of  what  was  going 
on  on  our   ships.      I  never  had  any   compunction  in  answering  him. 
I'd  tell   him  the  truth.      If  you  were  behind,    you  were  behind. 
"Why   are  you  behind?"     "Well,    we   can't   get   this,    we    can't    get 
that."     So  I   had  learned  to  work  with  him.      He  was  very   gruff, 
and  most   of    the   guys  were  scared  stiff   of  him.      It   didn't  bother 
me. 

In  fact,     [laughs]    when  I  was  up  in  the  planning  section,    we 
had  a  ship   come  in  that  had  main   propulsion   gear   problems.      This 
required   setting  up  an  inspection  group  to  resolve  the  problem. 
The  group  was   composed  of  two  officers  representing  the  repair 
superintendent,    two  officers  from   the  Design  Section,    a  repre 
sentative  from   the  gear  manufacturer,   and  myself.      At  that   time 
they   were  in  the  process  of   changing  the  planning  superinten 
dent.      Commander  Moore,   who  was  the   design  superintendent,   was 
filling  in  as  acting  planning  superintendent.      So  whenever  you 
had  a  gear  problem  with  the  main  propulsion  of  a   ship,   you  had 
to  report  it   to  Commodore  Lee  back  in  Washington,    D.G. 

Well,    the  question  came  up  of  who  was  going  to   call  and 
make   the  report.      Commander  Moore  called  me  in  and  wanted  me  to. 
He   said,    "Would  you  be  qualified  to   call  and  explain  it?" 
"Yes."    He  said,   "Well,   you've  got  to  go  down  and  talk  to 
Captain  Burris  about  it."     He   called  Burris  and  told  him    I  was 
coming  down.      We  had  a  repair  superintendent  and  a  machinery   man 
and  a  hull   superintendent.      Their   offices  were  together,    and 


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Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 
Lage : 

Whitfield! 
Lage: 

Whitfield: 

Lage: 
Whitfield: 

Lage: 
Whitfield: 


they  had  a  window  right  between  where  they  could  talk  back  and 
forth.  So  the  window  was  open  and  this  other  captain  was  Bill 
something  or  other.  He  was  a  younger  man. 

Anyway.    Captain  Burris   says,    "Sit  down.    Whit."      [laughs] 
I   said.    "Yes.    sir."  He   said.    "Your   Commander  Moore   tells   me 
you're   a  little  bit   too  bashful    to   call  Washington.     D.G."     I 
said.    "Well.    I   don't   knew  why  he   said  that.      He  asked  me  if  I 
would  do   it,    and  I   said  sure.      I  can't   understand  me  being  too 
bashful   or  scared  to   call  a   commodore   back  in  Washington,     D.C.. 
when  I   speak  very   frankly  to  you."     He  turned  to  the  window    and 
said.    T3ill.    did  you  hear  what   this  young  upstart    said."     He   put 
his  head  back,    and  he  laughed.      So  I  had  a   good  experience,    and 
I  was  well  prepared. 

And  you  learned   that  you  do  have  to  sort  of   assert  yourself. 
Yes,    once  in  a  while. 

Was  the  district   board  involved  just  with  day-to-day  problems, 
like  leaks,    or  were  they   deciding  to  plan  for  some   of   the 
growth?      Was  there  an  awareness  that  there  was  going  to  be  a  lot 
of  growth? 

Oh,   yes. 

I'm  thinking  about  when  you  first  came  on,  the  first  couple  of 
years. 

We  had  the  Conway  and  Culligan  problem  in  the  period  between 
when  I   came   there  and  1955. 

You're  already   general   manager,    though,   when  that  happened. 

Yes,     I  was.      But   that's  what   started  us.      The  reason   Patterson 
and  Grimmer  wanted  somebody   in  there  with  an  engineering 
background  was  because   they   knew   it  was   going  to  hit. 


Tell   me  mere  about  that, 
growth? 


Can  you  remember  discussions  about 


Well,    they   always   said,    'Ve've  got  to  plan  because   the  develop 
ment  is  going  to  be   coming  down  this  way,    and  it's    going  to   come 
pretty    fast."     And  it   did.       Say    after  '55  and  in  there,    we  were 
putting  on  three  or  four   thousand  new   customers   a  year.      When   I 
went   there  we  had  two  thousand  customers. 


Lage: 


So  there  were   day-to-day  problems  but  then  there  were  long-term 
ones  too? 


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Whitfield:      The  first  big  problem  we  had — Ed  Richmond  didn't   get  along  with 
the  various   fire   chiefs.      In  fact,    my   father  was  a  fire  chief, 
the  first  volunteer  fire   chief   in  Mission  San  Jose,   but  he  never 
had  any   difficulty   with  Richmond.      But,    in  fact,    he  knew  Ed 
Richmond  pretty  well. 

But.    anyway,    the  first  thing  that  had  happened  was — you 
know,    the  fire  hydrants  you  see  out  on  the   street  are   two- 
nozzle-type.      Well,    in  the  early  days,    in  a   small  district 
sometimes  they  put  in  a  wharf  hydrant  which  was  just  a  four-inch 
pipe   coming  up  with  a  valve  en  top.      That  would  satisfy   for  the 
area   they  were  in.      In  those   days,    the  fire   districts   paid  three 
dollars- a- month  rental    for  a  fire  hydrant,    but  the  water 
district   paid  for  putting  the  fire  hydrants  in.     Ed  was   always 
trying  to  save  money,    so  he  was  always  trying  to  get  by  with 
just  putting  in  the  wharf    hydrants. 

Joe   Fashote,    who  just   passed  away   a  couple  of  years  age. 
was  the  fire   chief  in  Newark.     He   knew   my  father  quite  well, 
too,    because   they   were  both  fire  chiefs. 

Lage:  This  was   a  volunteer  fire   chief? 

Whitfield:  Yes.  at  the  time.  Ed  had  a  big  tiff  with  Joe  Fashete  because  he 
was  supposed  to  put  in,  in  certain  streets  in  Newark,  I  think  it 
was  four  hydrants.  Well,  Ed  decided  that  he  wasn't  going  to  put 
in  the  standard  hydrants;  he  was  going  to  put  in  wharf  hydrants. 
Apparently,  he  was  going  to  put  in  three-inch  wharf  hydrants. 
Joe  Pashote  said  that  if  he  did  we  won't  pay  the  rent.  They  got 
in  a  tiff  and  Ed  just  stopped  the  job. 

So  they  had  a  public  meeting  in  Judge  Norris'   court   down 
there  with  Joe  Pashote  and  some   of   the  other  fire  chiefs. 

Lage:  And  representatives  from  the   district,    the  water   district? 

Whitfield:  Yes,  the  board  of  directors  and  me,  and  I  guess  Ed  Richmond  was 
there.  I  had  to  catch  a  plane — I  was  going  to  a  meeting  in  Los 
Angeles,  a  water  district  meeting — and  so  they  left  it  on  the 
basis  that  I  would  get  together  with  Joe  Pashote  and  talk  about 
it.  [laughs]  Of  course.  Joe  was  adamant  with  Ed  Richmond,  but 
he  wasn't  with  me. 

So  I  went   down,    "Joe,    really,    what's  the  big  to-do  about, 
what's   the    problem?"  I    said.      "Nothing  toe   big  it    can't   be 
solved."     tod   dammit,"  he   said,     "that  old  stubborn  so-and-so. 
He  wants  to  put  in  all  wharf   hydrants.      I   said,    "Well,    what   do 
you  want?"     He  said,    "I   should  have   standard  hydrants,    or  I  want 
four-inch  ones."     "There's  no   problem   there.      Where   do  you  want 
them?"     So  we  agreed  on  them. 


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Lage:  And  did  he   get  what  he  wanted? 

Whitfield:      Sure. 

Lage:  Because   it  was  a   reasonable  request? 

Whitfield:      Sure.      There  was  no  reason  to  fuss  about  it.      Pashote  and   I  were 
buddies  all   the  time.       [laughs] 

Lage:  The  board  didn't   usually   get  involved  in  little   things  like 

that?      Except   in  this   case   they   had  to  have  a  hearing  about  it. 

Whitfield:      Well,   because.    I   guess,    Pashote  must  have   complained  to   board 
members. 

But   then  after   that.    Mr.    Patterson  then  found  another 
consulting  engineer,    a  Stanford   graduate.      Will   Patterson  went 
to  Stanford.      Will   Patterson  had  three  boys  and  they   all  went   to 
Stanford.      So  whenever  he  was  looking  for  information  about 
engineers  he  always  went   to  Stanford.      So  he  got  Thad  Binkley. 
who  was  a   consulting  engineer. 

Lage:  Did  he  stay   on  with  you  for  a  while? 

Whitfield:      Yes,   he  was  with   us  quite  a  while. 
Lage:  But   it  was  just  on  a   consulting  basis? 

Whitfield:      Yes,    on  a   consulting  basis.      He   did  a  lot   of   the  engineering  for 
our   percolation  pits  and  all   that  kind  of   stuff. 

Lage:  Was  he  a  specialist  in  water? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      In  fact,    he  ran  his  own  water   company   over  in  the 
peninsula   over   there,    too.      He   specialized  in  water. 


PI anni ng  f  or  Growth;     The  1955   Bend  Issue 


Whitfield:      So  then  we  started  thinking  in  terms  of   planning  for  growth. 
The  only  bond  issue  that   the  water   district  ever  had  was  in 
1930.   a  quarter   of   a  million  dollars  to  buy   out   the  Alvarado 
plant.      The  Oakland  Water   Company,    or   the   People's  Water 
Company — it  was  named  both  at  one  time — had  acquired  the 
prescriptive  right  to  pump  eight  million  gallons   of  water  a   day 
from   Alvarado   into  Oakland.      There  was  a   thirty-inch  line   that 
went  to  Oakland.      When  they  were   going  to   sell  out,    our  water 
district   didn't  want   them    to  sell   it   to  anybody   else,    who  would 


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Whitfield:  then  have  a  prescriptive  right  to  pump  it  out.  Se  they  floated 
a  bend  for  a  quarter  of  a  million  dollars,  and  we  paid  that  off 
ever  the  period  that  I  was  there. 

Then  it  was   decided,    because   seme  of   the  towns  weren't  even 
connected  with  pipes,   and  we  had  no  major  mains  anywhere — 

Lage:  Many   people  were  getting  water  from  wells,    isn't  that  right? 

Whitfield:      Yes,   wells.      For   storage  we   only  had  the  hundred-thousand   gallon 
tank  up  at  Mission  San  Jose   and  a  one- hundred-thousand  gallon 
reservoir  over  in  Miles,    in  the  Niles   Canyon  area.      New    they've 
get   eighty    million  gallons  of   storage. 

Knowing  we   didn't  have   storage  and  we   didn't  have  adequate 
wells  and  all   that,    in  1955   we  had  a  bend  issue.      That's  when 
the    planning   started — it    preceded   '55. 

Lage:  Planning  for   the  future  needs? 

Whitfield:      Yes,   yes,   and  for   the  major  expenditures.      Se  we  had  a 

$4,297,000  bond  issue,    which  was  the  biggest  bend  issue  ever 
floated  down  here.      They  were   general   obligation  bends   paid  out 
of  water  revenue.      If  you  have  a  general   obligation  bond,    you 
have   the  backing  ef   the  taxes   although  we  never  used  taxes.     We 
paid  for  it  out   of  water  revenue   sales,    like   a  revenue  bend. 
But  revenue   bonds  you  pay    a  higher  interest   rate. 

Lage:  Did  you  do  a  lot  of   campaigning  for  that,    or  was  it 

controversial? 

Whitfield:     No,    it  wasn't.      I  went  out   and  did  all   the  promotional   work, 
went  out  and  talked  to  the   chambers  of   commerce  and  whoever 
wanted   to  listen.      It  was   successful. 


The  ACHD  Beard  ef   Directors  in  the  Early   Fifties 


Lage:  Let's   go  back  just  a  little    bit   to  earlier  in   the   1950s.       I'm 

thinking  about   the  board  at  that  time.      What  kind  ef   people? 
You  mentioned  Bernardo,    Amaral,   and  then  there  was   Patterson, 
and  Grimmer,    and  Prouty.      What  were  their  backgrounds? 

Whitfield:     Well,    Dr.  Grimmer  was  purely  medical.      He  was  a   physician.      In 
fact,     for  years  there  was  only  Dr.    Grau  over  in  Niles  and  Dr. 
Holman  in   Centerville  and  Dr.  Grimmer  here.      Patterson  was  in 
business  and  agriculture,    a  big  land  holder.      He   owned  land 
where  Del  Valle  is    [in  Livermore  Valley];    I  think  he  had  about 


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Whitfield:      three   thousand  acres   up   there  and  about   three   thousand  acres 

down  here.      Then  Louis  Amaral  was  one  of   the  fanners  that  farmed 
a  lot   of   Patterson's   property.      He  leased  it  eut  en   shares. 

Lage  :  Did  he  have  his  own  ranch   at  all   or  was  he  mainly — ? 

Whitfield:      No,    I   think  he  leased  everything.      He  and  his   brother  had  a 
garage   down  in  the  Alviso   district  where  they   both  lived. 
Later,   when  he  got  out  of  farming,    he  was  in  the  insurance 
business.      Manuel  Bernardo  years  back  was  the  constable  around 
here,    and  then  he  went  into  farming.      He   owned  about   twelve   or 
fifteen  acres  of   apricots  down  in  Centerville.      Jack  Prouty   was 
a   schoolteacher,     originally. 

Then,    when  the  war  came  along.    Bailey  was  the  next  big 
farmer,    next  in  size  to   Patterson. 

Lage:  What  was  his  name? 

Whitfield:     Lloyd  Bailey.      He  had  a  lot  of   property,    too;   he  was  a  very 
wealthy  man. 

Lage:  Was  he  involved  with   the  water  district? 

Whitfield:     No,    but  somehow  Jack  Prouty  figured  he  was   going  to   get  into  the 
farming  business.      I   don't  know   what  the  relationship  was  with 
him  and  Bailey,    but  he  supervised  a  lot  of  Bailey's  operations 
for  years.      He   never   did   go  back  to  teaching. 

Lage:  So  these  were  mainly  men  of  substance  on  the   board,    or  is   that 

not  a   good  generalization?      They   were  elected. 

Whitfield:  They   are  elected,   yes.     What   do  you  mean? 

Lage:  Well,    men  of  means.      They   had  a   fair  amount  of  money? 

Whitfield:  Well.    I    don't   think  Bernardo   did,    no. 

Lage:  They    had   ties   to  agriculture  basically. 

Whitfield:  Yes. 

Lage:  Did  they   take   a  real    hands-en  attitude  towards  the  water 

district   or   did   they   pretty  much  leave  it  in  Richmond's  hands? 

Whitfield:     Well,    in  the  days  before  I  got  there,    when  Ed  Richmond  was 

manager,  it  was  my  understanding  that  Mr.  Patterson  did  all  the 
negotiating  or  making  agreements  and  all  that.  He  did  all  that 
type  of  thing. 


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Lage:  From  just  looking  briefly  at  the  minutes  ©f  board  meetings   this 

morning.    I  do  notice   a  change  when  you  come  on  as  general 
manager.      [Appointed   general  manager  September  10,   1953.] 

Whitfield:      I  hope   for   the  better!       [laughter] 

Lage:  You  are  much  more  involved.      You  are   shown  in  the  minutes  far 

more  than  Richmond  is;  he's  barely   mentioned.      When  you  come  on, 
the  minutes  note  a  'General   Manager  Whitfield  this  and  General 
Manager  Whitfield  that." 

Whitfield:     He   didn't   participate.      When  they  had  their  board  meetings 
before,    well,    they   never  had  any   agendas   so  1   talked  to  Mr. 
Patterson.      I   said,    "Would  you  like  me  to  prepare  an  agenda?" 
Well,    that  worked  out  fine.      I  would  give  them  write-ups  in 
advance,   you  know,    a  little  explanation  of  what  was   coming  up. 

They  never  had  anybody   to  really  help  them   in  this;  Herb 
Harrold  never  had  much  push.      He  was  an  older  man.   you  know. 


Lage: 


They   didn't  have  a  real   manager,    it   sounds  like. 


Whitfield:      They   didn't.      They  had  a  good  pipe  man,    and  a   good  pump  man  and 
a  good  installer,   and  a  very   hard  worker.     He  knew   how    to  tell 
people  how   to   do  things,    and  that's  what  he  was. 


It   sounds  as  if   Patterson  took  more  of  a  managerial   role  before 
you   came   on. 


Lage: 

Whitfield:     Right,    he  did. 


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III     WILLIAM  D.    PATTERSON   AND   THE  WATER  DISTRICT 


A  Private  Person 


Lage:  Since  we  want  to  develop  a  little  information  about  William 

Patterson,    can  you  recall  any   conversations  with  him   or   dealings 
with  him?     Was  there  any  problem  with  his  giving  up  this 
managerial  role  when  you  came  on? 

Whitfield:     No.    it  was  just  a   smooth   transition.      I  think  he  was  very 

relieved  because   Patterson  was   getting  older,    too.      He'd   been  »n 
it    since    1914. 

Lage:  That's  right.      That's  a  long  time. 

Whitfield:     But  he  was  a  wonderful   man.      I  loved  the  guy.      He  was   so  laid 

back  and  once   I  got  to  know   him   I  knew    that,    boy,    if   I  ever  need 
a   friend  to  defend  me  in  the  water  district,    he'll  be   there.      He 
let  you  know    that  he  had   confidence  in  you  and  you  felt  very 
secure. 

I  was  very   lucky   in  working  twenty-seven  years.      I  think  I 
served  under  about   twenty   different   boards   of   directors.      I  only 
had  one  board  member  who  gave  me  a  bad  time — threatened  my  job 
and  all  that. 

Lage:  That  is  lucky  when  you  can  say   that. 

Whitfield:      Yes,    because  it's  political.      When  you  work  for   elected 

officials  you  serve  at   the  pleasure  of   the  board.       I  had  no 
contract.      A  couple  of   times  some  of   the  board  members  would 
say,    *X)h.    I   think  we  ought  to  have  a  contract  with  Matt,"     I 
said,   "If  you  want  one,  it's  all  right  with  me.     I  don't  care 
for  one."     I  said.   "I'd  rather  j  ust  serve  at  your  pleasure.      If 
you  don't  want  me.   I  don't  want  to  be  here." 


Lage: 


That  made   them   feel    comfortable. 


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Whitf ield:     Did  Tillie  Goeld  tell  you  about   the  Pattersons? 

Lage:  Not  about  the   Pattersons   but   I  talked  to  her  about  farming  in 

the  area. 

Whitf ield:      I  meant  about  Will   Patterson,    personally. 

Lage:  Well,   not  really.      I  mean,    she   didn't  knew  him  at  all   according 

to  her.      Her  farm  was  in  that  same  area.      Mr.   Goold  said  they 
lived  in  a   different  world,   a   completely   different   social  world. 

Whitf  ield:      Yes. 

Lage:  And  he    [Mr.   Goeld]    seemed  to  sort  of   steer   clear  of   the 

Pattersons  so  as  net  to   create  any   problems. 

Whitfield:     Well,    you  know,    one  example  of — a  let  of  people  thought  it  was 
terrible — Will   Patterson  had  a  beautiful  home.     All   this   cherry 
weed  banisters.      1  used  to  go   down  there  and  meet  with  him.      But 
when  he  passed  away,   he  left  it  in  his  will   that  the  whole  thing 
was  to  be  burned  down, 

Lage:  I  heard  that.      None   of   the  family  wanted  to  live  there. 

Whitfield:  Yes,  none  of  the  family.  He  did  not  want — like  the  other  house, 
I  guess — he  didn't  want  people  traipsing  through  it  and  making  a 
public  thing  out  ef  it. 

Lage:  Didn't  he  ever  assume  that  anybody   would  want  to  live  in  it,    a 

non-family  member. 

Whitfield:      I   think  what  really   concerned  him  was  that  these  old  buildings 
ultimately   become  public  buildings. 

Lage:  You  don't   think  he  would  have  liked  what's  happened  to  the  other 

house    [the  G.    W.    Patterson  home]? 

Whitfield:     No,    because  he  was  a  very   private  person. 

Lage:  So  he   probably  wouldn't  like   us  running  around   getting   oral 

histories  about  him. 

Whitfield:     Oh,     I   don't  know.      You  probably  wouldn't  get  any   personal 

history  from  him  about  himself,    but  I'm   sure  he  would  support 
what  you're  doing  now.      When  John  Caswell  wrote  the  history  of 
the  water   district,    Mr.    Patterson  thought   that   should  be 
documented. 


Lage: 

Whitfield: 

Lage: 
Whitfield: 

Lage: 
Whitfield: 


Lage: 


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A  lot   sf    the  family  has  historical   interest.      Donald  Patterson 
did  some   eral    history   interviews.      He   taped  himself;  he  taped  a 
couple   people  in  the   community.      Dave   Patterson  new  has  an 
interest. 

I've  only   met  Dave  a   couple  times.      He  was  younger.      Jack 
Patterson,   who  was  about  my  age,    was  Will's   third  sen.      He 
passed  away    rather  young. 

Did  you  knew  Donald  Patterson? 

Oh,    yes.      Don  was  very   active  before  and  after  his  father  passed 
away,    coming  ever  to  talk  about  the  water   district.      He  was  on 
the  water  committee  of  Fremont. 

What  would  he  have   dene  with   the  water   committee? 

It  was  the  water  committee  of   the  chamber  of  commerce,    and  they 
had  a  subcommittee  on  whether  we   should  have   ground  water 
reper eolation;    they   had  a  committee  that  was  slanted  against  the 
ground  water.      We  had  a  lot   of  opposition  to  spending  money   to 
recharge   the  ground  water  basin.      Donald  Patterson,    like  his 
father,   was  a   great  supporter  of   the   ground  water   projects. 

Did  Donald  Patterson,    do  you  know,    take   a  role  in  running  the 
ranch? 


Whitfield:      Yes. 


Resolution  81;     Blueprint  for  Growth 


Lage:  We  had  talked  about   trying  to  get  a  picture  of  William  Patterson 

and  how   difficult  it  is  to   do   that.      You  mentioned  you  might   be 
able  to  tell   of   an  incident  that  occurred  that  would  show 
something  of  his  style. 

Whitfield:      I   mentioned  to  you  that  I  felt  very  comfortable  with  him.    and  I 
always  felt   that   I  had  his  support  if   I  ever  needed  it.      That 
time  came  when  I  recommended  to  the  board  that  we  change  our 
policy   on  resolution   81. 

Lage:  First,    tell   us  about  resolution  81. 

Whitfield:      In  1955  we  adopted  resolution  81.   which  took  about   six  months  to 
prepare.      That  was  the  future  format  and  the  bible  on  how   we 
were   going  to  pay  for  things:  who  was   going  to   pay   for  water 
mains,    whether  there  was  going  to  be  reimbursement,    or  oversize, 
and  all  that. 


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Lage: 


For  the  new  developments? 


Whitf ield:      Far  anybody   that  came  in  and  wanted  service,    for  developers  and 
all    that. 


Lage: 


Or  industry,    too? 


Whitf  ield:     Yes,    for  everybody,    but  primarily  for  the  new  developments 
coming   in. 


Lage: 


Now,   who  developed  resolution  81? 


Whitf  ield:     Well,    it  was   dene  jointly  between  Thad  Binkley,    Morris  Hyman. 
our  attorney,    and  myself.      Morris  Hyman  is  now  president  of 
Fremont  Bank. 


Lage : 


Whitf  ield: 


Did  the  board  give  you  any   direction, 
what  they  would  like  to   see? 


a  policy   direction,    en 


Lage: 


No.      We  talked  to  them   about  what  we  were  going  to  do:     First  of 
all,    the   developers  were   going  to  have  to   pay  for   certain-sized 
mains,    and  under  certain  conditions  they'd  get  reimbursement. 
Then,   when  we   needed  oversize,    if   the  subdivision  needed  a 
twelve-inch  line   to  serve  it,    based  on  hydraulic  calculations, 
and  then  we  decided  that  we  want  to  put  in  an  eighteen-inch 
line,    then  the  subdivider  would  have  to  put   the  eighteen-inch 
line  in.      After  we   saw   the  bids  and   all   that,    then  we  would 
reimburse  him  for  the  difference  in  cost  between  the  twelve  and 
eighteen,     under    certain    conditions. 


Lage: 


Whitf  iel d : 


That  seems  fair  enough, 
their  share. 


You  were  trying  to  see   that  they   paid 


Their  share,    yes.      So  we  developed  this  policy.      Then  we  tried 
to  figure  out  the   details.      If  you  had  a  street,    and  the 
developer  hooked  up  to  one   side,    well,    they'd  have  to  pay   for 
that   side.      If   the  other   side  wasn't   part   of    their  subdivision 
then  we  would  set  them   up  for  reimbursement  of   half  of   their 
costs  for  putting  in  the  water  main.      Then  we  had  it  where  you 
had  a   three-sided  lot  or  a  four-sided  lot    [laughs]    or  a  five- 
sided  let,    the  whele   thing. 

So  this  is  a  very   detailed  policy? 


Whitf  ield:      Yes. 

Lage:  And  then  that  came  before  the  board  for  approval? 

Whitf  ield:      Yes.      They   got  advance    copies   of   it.      Subsequently-- 


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Lage:  They  approved  of   it.    I  assume?      Did   they  vote  on  it,   were   there 

any    hearings? 

Whitf  ield:     No.    there  were  no  hearings;   we  reviewed  it  with  them   at  a 
meeting  and   they   then  adopted  resolution   81. 

Lage:  But    they    didn't   hold   public  hearings.       It  wasn't   controversial. 

Whitf  ield:      I  think  it  would  have   been   controversial    the   other  way   around — 
if  we  didn't  have  a  policy — because   a  lot   of    the  farmers  and 
property   owners,    everybody   says,    "Well,   you  know,    these 
developers  are   going  to   come  in  and   get  everything  free."     In 
fact,    I  had  many  compliments  about  it   because  once  a   developer 
got   in  here — and  I   always   said  one   thing,    "We're  going  to  tell 
you  right   up  front  what  you're   stuck  with,    and  we're   going  to 
tell   you  what  you're   going  to   get  back." 

The  reimbursement — they  set  up  for  reimbursement  for  ten 
years.      If  they  got  it  all  back,   fine;  if  they  didn't,  they 
didn't   get  any   more.      But  in  some   of    the   other   districts  where 
they   worked  they   weren't   sure  what  they  were  stuck  with.      What 
they  want  to  know   is,    "What  am  I  stuck  with  financially  before   I 
get  into  this  thing?"     They   don't  want   someone   coming  around 
afterwards   saying,    "Hey,    you've   got  to  put  in   $10,000   more   of 
this   in  there."     So  most  of   the  bigger  developers  always 
complimented  us.      They  would  say,    "Well,   we  may  not  agree   that 
we   should  put  all   this  in.    but  we  know  what  we're  going  to  be 
stuck  with  and  you   don't   stick   us  with  anything  extra." 

Lage:  Were  they    required  to  pay   more  than  most   places  around  here? 

Whitf  ield:     Well.    East  Bay  MUD    [Municipal  Utility  District]   and  all   those 
didn't  have   these    charges  like  we  did  because  we  didn't  have 
anything  to  work   on. 

Lage:  Well,    you  were  building  in  new   areas.      There  must  have  been  a 

corollary  in  Santa   Clara   County,     I  would   think. 

Whitfield:      I   think  Binkley   got   copies  of   some  extension  plans  that  other 
entities  had,    and  of   course,   he  had   been  in  the  water  business 
himself. 


Quiet  Support  and  Leadership  from  Will   Patterson 


Lage: 


I've  been  taking  you  off   the  track  here, 
something  about  Will   Patterson. 


You  were  saying 


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Whitfield:      Subsequent  t©  that  resolution  we  found  that  the   growth  was 

coming  in  more,  that  we  were  going  to  have  to  begin  making  them 
pay  for  larger  sized  pipes  and  sometimes  not  getting  reimbursed 
until  later  on. 

Lage  :  How  would  they  be  reimbursed — when  another  developer  came  in  and 

shared  the   pipe? 

Whitfield:     When  anybody   hooked  onto  a   pipe   that  was  put  in  by  other  than 

the  water   district  funds,    there  would  be  a   charge,   a  front-foot 
charge,    say,    for  a  six-inch  main  or  ten-inch  or  whatever  it  is. 
So  that  went  into  reimbursement  funds.      Now,   it   didn't   go 
directly   to  the  developer   that  put   that  pipe   in,    it  went  into 
one  big  pool.      At  the  end  of   the  year  we  knew  how   much  a   credit 
balance  we  owed  each  developer,    so  it  was  prorated  based  upon 
the   credit  balance   that  they  had   coming.      So  even  though  I  put 
twelve  hundred  feet  of   pipe   along  this   street,    and  even  during 
the  next  year  if  no  one  hooked  up  to  that   pipe,    if   someone 
hooked  up  to  a   pipe   in  the  ether   side   of   town,    I'd  still  get  a 
part  of    that  money. 

Lage:  So  any   future  growth  in  the  area  would  contribute  te  that 

reimbursement. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    rather   than  have  to  keep  track  of  whose  money  it  is  we  did 
it   this  way,   which  worked  out  fine. 

But  anyway,    subsequently  we  had  te  change  the  policy   to 
make  it  mere  severe  on  the   developers.      We  had  prepared  the 
plans  to  put   into  effect — I  think  this  was  probably   in  June  or 
something  like  that,   but  my  recommendation  was  that  it  was  to  be 
adopted,   but   net  te  be   put   into  effect   until   August   or   Septem 
ber,   and  then  we  were  going  to  insist  on  having  written 
contracts  all   the  time.      My   rationale  for  delaying  until  August 
or  September  was   that   I  had  negotiated  with   people.     They'd  come 
in  with  their  drawings,    and  I  would  tell  them  what  they  have  te 
put  in  and  all    this   kind   ef    stuff. 

When  I  briefed  the  beard  on  it.    seme  of   them.    Dr.   Grimmer, 
for   some  reason,    decided   "No,    let's  not  wait.      Let's  just   cut  it 
off   like    this,"    [slaps  his  hand]    "and  make   it  effective 
immediately."     I  had  maybe  a   dozen   developers   that   I  had  talked 
to,    or  maybe   ten  or   something  like   that.      I  just   thought   it 
wasn't  fair  to  impose  this  upon  them  when  they  may  have  had  all 
their  plans,    financial   plans,    made.      Mr.    Patterson  sat  back,    he 
never   said  a  word.      Everybody   else  talked,    get  more  vociferous: 
"Well,    we  can't  let  them,    blah  blah  blah — " 


Lage: 


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Then  there  was  a  long  silence,    and  somebody   turned  to  Mr. 
Patterson  and   said,    'Will,    what's  your   opinion?"     He    said, 
•Well,     it's  very    simple."     He   said,     "Matt  has   explained   to   us." 
He  asked,    "How   many   people  have  you  talked  to?"     And  I  told  him. 
Tlow    much  money   do  you  think  it  involves?"     And  I   told  him.      He 
said.    "Well,    that's   my  opinion.      I  agree  with  Matt.      We've   gotta 
be   fair  about   this  thing."     Without  any   fanfare,    it  passed 
unanimously. 

You  mentioned  that  Mr.    Patterson  seemed  sort  of   a  serious  person 
on  the  surface.      Not  full   of   smiles  and  net  a    gladhander. 


Whitf  ield:     No.    he  was  a   gentleman,    but  he  wasn't  a   politician- type.      He  was 
just  a  very   sedate   gentleman. 

Lage:  You  said  something  about  his   sense   of   humor. 

Whitf  ield:     Yes.      Well,    maybe   I   shouldn't  tell  you  this  one.    but   I  hope 

you've  got  a   sense   of   humor.     At   the  time,    Marcella  Hewett  was 
the   secretary  to  our  board.      I  think  that  it  was  on  this   same 
occasion;   one  of   the  comments  Mr.    Patterson  made  about  why  we 
shouldn't  enforce   this  policy   immediately  was — he   said.    "I  think 
we   should  just   stick  it   to  them   gently."   [laughter]     And  I 
thought.    "My,    that's   unusual   for  Mr.    Patterson  to    say    something 
like    that."    .So  the  next   time   1  saw    him.    I  said.    "Mr.    Patterson, 
we've   got  a  real   problem.      The  first   problem  we've  had  with  you 
since    I've  been  with   the  water   district."     "What's   the  matter. 
Matt?"     I  said,    "Remember  the   comment  you  made  about  sticking 
it — ?"    [laughs]      He   said,    "Yes."  and  he  kind   of    smiled.      I   said. 
"Mrs.    Hewett  wants  to  knew  how  you  want  that   phrased  in  the 
minutes."     And  he  laughed.       I'd  never   seen  him   guffaw    before, 
[laughter]      That's   the   only   one    that   I    can   think  of. 


Water,    Flood  Control,    Development,    and  Growth 


Lage:  Did  you  detect   Patterson's  attitude   towards   development   and 

growth?      Did  he  have  any   sense  this    change  was  a   great   thing,    er 
was  just  an  inevitable  thing? 

Whitfield:      I  think  he  would  have   preferred   that   the   status  quo  remain,    but 
I  think  he  was   pragmatic  enough   to  know    that  it  wouldn't,    and  he 
wasn't    going  to   fight    it, 


Lage: 


Did  he  sell   off   any   of    the  lands  while  he  was   still   alive? 


Whitfield:      Yes. 


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Lage: 


Oh.   he   did?      Into   development? 


Whitfield:     Yes.      He  was  on  the  flood  control   board,    but   I  have  never  had 
any  indication  on  anything  that  he  ever  voted  on  or  anything 
that  he  was  thinking  of   his  own  interest.      I'm  sure  in  the  back 
of  his  head  he  was,    but  he  never   said  anything  about,    "I    don't 
want   that   to  happen  to  my   land,"  or  anything  like   that. 

Lage:  Well,    the  flood  control   project   certainly  had  a  let  to   do  with 

allowing  development. 

Whitfield:  Oh,    sure. 

Lage:  And  probably  especially  on  his  land. 

Whitfield:  Yes. 

Lage:  Was  the  water   district  involved  with  flood  control   in  any  way? 

Whitfield:     No,   we   cooperated  with  each  other.      The  only  problem  we  had  with 
flood  control,    at  one  time,    was  with  some  of   the  city   fathers 
and  ether  people  in  the   community   that  weren't  in  favor   of 
spending  all   the  money   we  were  spending  on  recharging  the  ground 
water  basin.      They  wanted  maybe  more  Hetch  Hetchy  water.      They 
tried  to  impose  zone  eight  over  eur  district. 

Lage:  Now  you're   going  to  have  to   clarify  zone  eight  here. 

Whitfield:     Well,    the  flood  control   district   is   county-wide,    but   they're 

broken   down  into  various  zones   of  flood  plains.      Then  when  they 
float  a   bond  issue,     it's  assessed  against  that  zone.      At  one 
time,    they  wanted  to  have  a  whole  zone  five   that   covered  all 
Livermore  Valley   and  our  district,    but  there  was  to©  much 
politics  in  that.      There  were  a  lot  of   politicians  who  wanted  to 
say    something  about   it. 

But  there  was  a  feeling  that  they  would  prefer  to  have 
zone  eight   under  flood   control,    under  the  manager  of   the   overall 
flood  control   district,    who  was  more  politically  inclined  than 
we  were.      Then  they  wanted  instead  of   us   contracting  directly 
with   the  state  of   California  for   the  south  bay   aqueduct,    then 
zone  eight  would  have    contracted. 

Lage:  Then  they  would  have  become  a  water  district. 

Whitfield:      Yes.      Our  board  and  our  attitude  was,    "Why  have  another  layer   of 
government?"     In  other  words,    they  would  have  bought  water  from 
the   state  and  sold  it  to  us.      So  why  have  another  political  layer 
in  between,    with  more  expense.      Then  you  have  them   controlling 
where   the  water   goes. 


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Lage:  Now  when  did  that   come   up? 

Whitf ield:     That  came  up  prior  to  '62  when  we  were  negotiating  contracts  for 
state  water. 

Lage:  I   see.      Maybe  we  will  talk  about   that  again  mere  next  time. 


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IV      ISSUES   AND   PROBLEMS  OF  THE    FIFTIES 


Recharging  the  Ground  Water  Through   Percolation  Pits 

Lage:  We've  brought  up  a  lot  of   things   that  were  happening  in  the 

fifties,    but  let's  look  at   them   more    directly. 

Just  when  you  came  into  the  district   or  just  prior  to  it, 
wasn't  the  Shinn  Percolation  Pit   opened  up? 

Whitfield:     Yes.    that  was  in  '49.     That  was  opened  up  where  they   took  water 
from   the  natural  runoff  and  any  releases   that   came  from 
Calaveras  Dam  were  diverted.      That  was  at  '49.      They   had  opened 
it   up   the  year  before   I    came   in. 

Lage:  And  they   diverted  this  natural    runoff   into  an  old  quarry? 

i 

Whitfield:      Yes,   an  eld  abandoned  quarry. 

Lage:  And  that  allowed  it  to  percolate  down? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      The  Shinn  Pit,    that  was  one   of   the  first  quarries   that 
started.      It's  right  up  back  of   Miles. 

Lage:  Was  Shinn  connected  with  that  quarry,    or  was  it  named  after  the 

first   president — ? 

Whitfield:      It  was  the  Shinn  property.      The  whole  area  belonged  to  Shinn. 
Lage:  He  was   the  first   president  of   the  water   district. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    Joseph  Shinn. 

Lage:  Was  that  a  common  way  of  dealing  with  water  problems,    or  was  it 

a  new   solution  that   this   district  found? 


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Whitfield:      I   think  Santa   Clara   County  had   gene  into  it  years   back  and  in 
southern  California  there  was  a  lot  of   recharging.      The  old 
channel  of  Alameda  Creek  was  the  main  source  of  water  to 
recharge   the  ground  water  basin.      Now.    when  they  put  the  main 
flood  control   channel   down  there  we  were   concerned  that  they 
might  install   a  concrete  lining  in  it.      We  made  our  position 
clear  on  it  to  the   Corps   of  Engineers,   who  were   doing  the  work. 

Lage:  The  Corps  of   Engineers   did  like   to  concrete   things. 

Whitfield:      Oh,    yes.    because   then  you  can   confine  it  and  have  less  area   to 
worry    about. 

Lage:  Did  that  negotiation  present  any   problem,    or  did  they   listen  to 

you? 

Whitfield:     No.    no,    there  was  no  real   problem.      We  made   our   position  clear 
all    the    tim  e. 


Pressure  to  Purchase  Hetch  Hetchy  Water  from   San  Francisco 


Lage:  When  Fremont  became  incorporated,    did  that  bring  a  new  layer  of 

problems  to  you.    or  was  it  easier  to   deal  with  just  one   city 
instead  of   the  five  little  towns? 

Whitfield:     Well,   with  the  five  little  towns   there  wasn't  really  any   dealing 
with  them.      We  floated  the  bond  issue  before  Fremont  came  in. 
and   the   people  voted  for  it.      I   guess   they  felt  like  we    did, 
that  we  needed  to  look  to  the  future.      One   of   the  anecdotes 
about  Louis  Amaral — when  we  were  talking  about  importing  water 
from    the  state   plan,    he  would  say.    "The  only  amount  of  water  we 
will  ever  need  is  a  ten-inch  pipe  flowing  down  Alameda   Creek 
year   around."     That  wouldn't   be   a   drop  in  the  bucket.       [laughs] 

Lage:  Was  he   the  one  who  wanted  Hetch  Hetchy  water?      I   came  across  the 

notes  in  the  minutes,    and  I   thought  it  was  Amaral   saying  we  want 
Hetch  Hetchy  water  and  forget   this   ground  recharge.     Was   that 
Amaral? 

Whitfield:  Well.    I   don't  remember. 

Lage:  It  was  a  little  bit  later  on. 

Whitfield:  Or  Jack  Prouty? 

Lage:  No.    it  wasn't  Jack  Prouty. 


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Whitfield: 
Lage: 

Whitfield; 


Lage  : 
Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 


Lage: 


There's  always   been  a  big  to-d©  about   that, 
wanted  us  to  get  more  Hetchy  water. 


The   city   of    Fremont 


Maybe  we   should  talk  about  that,   now,   as  one   of   the  main  issues. 
It   probably  went   on  mere  than  just  in  the  fifties.      Was  this  a 
continuing  tension? 

Well,    at  one   time,    before  we  had  enough  pipes  put  to  connect  it 
up,    Irvington,   where  Dr.   Grimmer  lived,   was  supplied  by  Hetch 
Hetchy   water.      We  didn't  have  any   storage  for  it.      We  had 
isolated  the  areas  where  we   didn't  have  any  pipes  where  we  had 
Hetch  Hetchy   water.      In  fact,    this  area  here,    this   subdivisen 
here,   was  all  Hetch  Hetchy  water  from  a   connection  sn  Mission 
Boulevard. 

I   see.      So  you  brought  it  direct,    purchased  from   San  Francisco. 

Yes.     But  then  subsequently  we   got  water  mains  installed  around 
it,    and  then  we  took  the  areas  off.    which  was  always  a  complaint 
then  because  Hetch  Hetchy  water  was  softer.      I'll  never  forget 
when  we  took  this  area — this  was  before  I  lived  up  here — off 
Hetch  Hetchy  water.      The   people   came   down  to  protest,  and  one 
very   attractive  lady   got  up.      She  was  complaining  about  how   hard 
the  water  was,   and  she   said,    "I  just  wish  you  could  come  up 
sometime  and  see  me  trying  to  take   a  shower."   [laughter]     That 
about  brought  the  house    down. 

They   really  noticed  it  when  you  changed  from  Hetch  Hetchy  water. 

Yes,    because  Hetchy  water  was  softer.      Well  water  has  more 
minerals  in  it.      It  was  about  two  hundred  and  something  parts 
per  million  with  total   dissolved  solids. 

Then  we  put   in  the  Bernardo  Softening  Plant  over  there 
which  was   controversial.     We  went  to  an  election  on  that,    too. 

Why  was  that  controversial? 


Whitfield:     Well,    because  some   people  wanted  us  to  spend  it  on  Hetchy  water, 
and  some   people  didn't  want   soft  water. 

Lage:  But  could  you  have  purchased  enough  water  to   satisfy   the 

district's  needs   from  Hetch  Hetchy,    from   San  Francisco? 

Whitfield:      I   don't   think  we   could  have. 

Lage:  And  what  about   the  price,   was  that  higher? 


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Whitfield:      Oh.    the   price  was  higher,    yes.      Very  much  higher.      You  see.    one 
of   the  reasons  why   we  rebelled  all  the  time  about  going  all 
Hetchy  was  that  the  other  entities  that   buy  water  from  San 
Francisco  have  no  say    in  the  rates  they   pay.      They   come   under 
the  San  Francico  Public  Utility   Commission.      They   don't   come 
under   the  Public  Utilities  Commission  of   the  state  of 
California.      So  wherever   the  San  Francisco  Public  Utilities 
Commission   sets   the  water  rates,    that's  what  you've  got   to  pay. 
You  have  no  recourse,    no  political   recourse   by  voting  for 
supervisor   or  anything  like   that.      So  we   could  have  another 
municipality   deciding  or   predestining  what  you're   going  to    do. 

Lage:  They  probably  have  first  claim  on  the  water  as  well. 

Whitfield:     Yes.    right. 

Lage:  But   that  was  a   continuing  thing.      People  would  rather  you  didn't 

put   so  much  into  the   percolation  pits  and — 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Well,    there  were  some  people  adamant  against  spending 

money  to  recharge  the  ground  water  basin  and  wanted  all  Hetch 
Hetchy    water. 

Lage:  What  about   candidates  that  ran  for   the  board  of   directors? 

Whitfield:      Some  were  in  favor  of  using  mere  Hetch  Hetchy  water  and  less 

ground  water.      After   they   got  on  the  board  because   they   didn't 
like  what  we  were   doing,   and  when  they   got  in  and  learned  about 
it,    then  they   saw    the  rationale  and  supported  the  ground  water 
program. 

Lage:  How  were  they  educated?     Was  that  part  of  your  role? 

Whitfield:      They  were  just  educated  by  attending  the   board  meetings  to  see 
what  we  were  doing  and  asking  questions. 


Lage: 


Did  you  ever   see   them  individually  to   show   them  around? 


Whitfield:  Oh*  yes.  if  they  wanted  me  to.  I  always  offered.  You  know,  if 
you  want  to  come  in  and  talk  about  things,  I'd  be  very  happy  to 
spend  the  time  with  you  or  take  you  out  and  show  you. 

Lage:  And  most,   when  they   saw   the  overall  picture,    agreed  with  what 

you  were  doing? 


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Whitfield:      Yes,    they   saw    the  light.      In  fact,    if  you  read  this  history*  the 
ending  is  very  complimentary  about  hew   the  water  district  is 
operating,    yes. 


A  Controversy  with  Developers  Co  re?  ay   and  Culligan,    1954 


Lage :  Let's  talk  about   this   Conway   and  Culligan  issue  which  was  about 

•54. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    it  was  before  Fremont  was  incorporated,    not  too  long  before 
that.      I  guess  we  were   down  in  the   old  office — we  rented  space 
in  the  county  building,    the  one   en  Martha  and  Peralta  Boulevard 
that's   gone  into  a  nursery  school  now.      They   built   the    court 
house   out  here.     There  was  a  big  to-do  about  where  that  should 
go  out  here.      It  was  a  bunch  of   politics,   you  know,    somebody 
wanted  it  in  their  various  areas,    but  Dr.   Grimmer  owned  the 
property    down   there.      He    said,    "Well.    I'll   settle  it.      I'll    give 
them    the   property."     And  he  did.      That's  where  it   settled.      But 
I   think  that's  where  we  were  at  the   time. 

We  get  a  phone   call  from   this  guy,    Glassbrook  or  something 
like   that.     He  was  from  Oakland.      I  had  never  heard  of   Conway 
and  Culligan  before.      They   were  from   over  in  San  Mateo.      I  think 
it  was  San  Mateo,    somewhere  on  the  peninsula.     He   called  me   up 
and  he  said,    'K)h,    we're  going  to  put   in  350  homes  en  the 
Stevenson  property  in  Irvington  where   the   old  dairy  is.      I  want 
to  step  by   and  see  you  and  see  about   putting  in  water  mains  and 
getting   water."      I    said,     "Fine." 

Lage:  Did  the  Stevenson  property   belong  to  the  same  Stevenson  that 

became  mayor? 

Whitfield:     No.    I  think  this  was  the  cousin;   this  was  Max  Stevenson.      That 
area  is  new   called  Irvington  Square.      It's  out   of    Irvington 
towards  Warm  Springs. 

He  get  in  my   office,    and  I   don't  know   how    he  dropped  the 
hint  that  they  were  net   used  to   paying  for  putting  in  more   than 
two-inch  lines.      I   said,    'We've  get  to  back  up  a  little  bit.      We 


*Larrowe,    Martin,    "A  Short  History  of   the  Alameda  County  Water 
District:      A  Story   of  Survival  in  the   Metropolitan  Bay   Area." 
(Research   paper   for  History  4900,    California  State  University. 
Hayward,   1978) 


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Whitfield:      don't    put  in  two-inch  lines  anywhere."     He    didn't  like    that.       I 
said.    "I    can't   tell  you  what  mains  you're  going  to  put  in  until 
you  bring  a  map  in  so  we   can  lay  it  out  and  do  the  hydraulics  on 
it." 

ff 

Whitfield:      Fortunately   they   had  filed  a   tentative  subdivision  map  with  the 
county   planning  commission,   and  they  had  hearings  on  that.      They 
always  had  to  put  en  the  maps  who  was  going  to  be   the  water 
purveyor.     ACWD  was  on  the  maps;  and  that's  where  we   get  them, 
finally. 

They   had  two  wells  on  the  property;   they   were  irrigation 
wells.      Then  there  was  a  Hetch  Hetchy   pipeline  right   down  in 
that  area. 

So  Conway   and  Culligan  came  over  and  said,    "Well,    we're  not 
going  to  spend  all    the  money  to  put   the   pipes  in  the   sizes  you 
want.      We'll   form   our   own  mutual  water  company.      We've  got  two 
wells   of  our   own  and" — they  inferred  later  on — "we've  had  a 
discussion  with  San  Francisco,    and  they'll  give  us  a   connec 
tion."     Well,    we've   always  had  an   understanding  with  San 
Francisco   that  they   wouldn't   serve  in  our  district,    unless  we 
gave  approval.      So  I  took  that  with  a  grain  of   salt.      We   got 
together  with   the  board,    and  they   were  having  another  hearing  at 
the   county   board  of   supervisors.      They  were   down  there  in  full 
force,    down  in  Oakland.      That  was  before  they   had  a   courthouse 
in  Hayward.     Beth  Conway  and  Culligan  were   there  and  their 
attorneys.    I   made   a  presentation  about  it's  in  our   district  and 
we  have   the  facilities  and  all    that.      The  supervisors   decided 
that   there  was  already   a  record  en  the  map.    and  they   weren't 
going  to  allow    them   to   change  it. 

Lage:  So  did  it  end  there   or   did  you  go  on  about   it  for  a  while 

longer? 

Whitfield:     No.   it  ended. 


Lage: 


Lage: 


So  the  threat  was  that  they  would  secede,    sort  of? 


Whitfield:     Well,    a  mutual  water  company  is  one  where  it's   owned  by   the 
property   owners  in  it.    and  it's  run  by   them. 


I   see.      Now  what  were   they   unwilling  to — ? 


Whitfield:     They   thought   that   they   were  going  to  just   come  over  and  tell  us 
what   size  pipes  they  were  going  to  put  in.      We  just  told   them 
they   weren1 t. 


Lage: 


Was  this  a   case  where  your  board  had  to  back  you  up? 


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Whitfield:      Yes. 

Lage :  Did  they   all  back  you  up?     Did  Stevenson  come  in  en  that,    the 

future  mayor? 

Whitfield:      I   can't  remember  whether  he  was  involved  in  that. 

Lage:  But  you  did  have  run-ins  with  him  another   time,   is  that  right? 

Whitfield:     Well,     I   didn't  have  any   direct   run-ins,    and  I   don't  think  I  want 
te  mention  his   name  in  this  regard.     But   I   think  I  told  you  that 
Jack  Prouty,    who  was  an  ex-directer  of   the  water  district,    had 
property   down  there  by  Jack  Stevenson. 

Lage:  Down  in  this   same  area  of   Irvington  Square? 

Whitfield:     No.    off   Prune  Avenue.      Prouty  was  one   of   the   people   that  was 
kind  of   backing  flood  control    to  handle  zone  eight,    tee.      Not 
officially,   but — I   think  Jack  was — because   they  had  a  lot  of 
water   committee  meetings   down  at  Prouty's  house. 

Lage:  Now  was  this  the   same  water   committee  Donald  Patterson  was  on? 

Whitfield:      I   don't  think  Donald  was  on  it  then. 
Lage:  A  chamber   of   commerce   committee? 

Whitfield:     Yes.    I  don't  think  he  was  on  it  then.     But  I  got  a  call  at  3:30 
one  afternoon  inviting  me  te   come  to  a  meeting.      I   said,    "What 
meeting?"     So  I  went   down  and,    it  was  about  the  same  kind  of 
thing,    you   know. 

Lage:  Elaborate  a  little  bit  mere  about  what  were  the  issues  there. 

Whitfield:     Well,    one  ef  the  issues  was  that  they — I  think  we  had  the   same 
thing,    toe.   when  Western  Pacific  came  in  down  in  the  Warm 
Springs  area,  and  they  wanted  water   down  there.     A  big  tract  of 
land.      I  think  it  was  about   the  same  time  when  the  city  of 
Fremont  got  the  idea  that  maybe   they   should  take   ever  serving 
water.     The  city   went   out  and  retained  a   consultant  engineering 
firm,    "Engineering  Science,"  who  I  knew   pretty  well.     He   came 
dewn  and  interviewed  me.      He   said,     [laughs]   "I  just   can't  under 
stand  them   thinking  that  they   can  come  in  and  set  up  a  whole 
water  district  for   the  city   of   Fremont  and  handle  it  as 
efficiently   as  you   guys    do."     So  he  wrote  it.      He   didn't 
recommend  it.   He  recommended  cooperation  with  the  water 
district.      That  was  an  actual  approach  the   city   took  because 
they   hired  a   consultant   engineer  for  a  feasability   study. 


Lage: 


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So  there  were  a  lot   of   feelings.      Do  you  think  there  was  the 
sense   that  they   wanted  more   service   to  subdivisions  and  less  to 
farmers,   was  that   part  of  it? 


Whitfield:      I   don't  think  se.    no. 

Lage:  Because   the  farmers  must  have  been  in  favor  of   this  ground  water 

recharge. 

Whitfield:     Oh,    they  were,    because   some  of   their  wells  were  going  salty. 

Lage:  And  the  people  who  did  mere  drinking  of  the  water  were   probably 

the  ones  who  wanted  the  Hetch  Hetchy. 

Whitfield:      Yes.      Well,   you  see,   you  couldn't   afford  Hetchy  water  to   put   in 
the  ground  water  basin  because,    you  know,    it  was  a  hundred  and 
something  dollars  an  acre  foot. 


Water  District  Role  in  Planning  for  Growth 


Lage:  Last   time   I  asked  you  about   planning,    and  you  mentioned  that  it 

was  the   cities  that  did  the   planning  and  told  you  what   the   needs 
were. 

Whitfield:      Oh,    yes.      When  we  floated  our  bend  issue   in  '55.    the  industry   in 
this  area  was   completely   disbursed  throughout   the  area.      I   think 
Fremont  was   right:      they  took  it  all  and  put  it  down  in  the  Warm 
Springs  area.      You  know,    that's  where  you  should  have  an 
industrial    complex.      You  dan't  want   industries  splattered  all 
over.      So  we  just  took  the   position  that,   you  knew.    fine.      What 
we   did  is — I  forget  where  our  first  reservoir  was  going  to  be.    I 
think  it  was   going  to  be  over  in  Miles   somewhere — so  when  they 
put   it   down  there  we  put   our   first  reservoir  over  here  off  of 
Washington  Boulevard  above   the  railroad  tracks.      Seven  and  a 
half  million  gallons,    that  was  the  first  reservoir  we  put   in. 

Lage:  What's  the  name  of   that  one? 

Whitfield:     Middlefield  Reservoir. 

Lage:  It's  to   service   that  industrial   area? 

Whitfield:      Yes,    so   that  we'd  have   some  water  to  head  down  that  way   and  now 
we've   got  another  eighteen-million-gallon  one    down  there.      You 
know   where  Mission  Boulevard  makes  a  turn  before  you  hit  the  680 


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Freeway?     Well,   we  built  an  eighteen-million-gallon  reservoir 
down  there.      Right   up  here,    on  Paseo   Padre,    they're  finishing  a 
twenty-one-million-gallon  one  now. 

Lage:  So  you  more  or  less  followed  what  they  were   planning  as  far  as 

growth  and  the  areas  for  growth? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      Our  board  has   always  taken  the  position  that  we're  not  in 
the  land-use   planning  business  for  municipalities.      It's  up  to 
them  to   decide  what  they  want;   the   people   decide,  and  we'll 
provide    the   facilities. 

Lage:  Did  you  have  people,    though,   making  projections  about  what 

future  needs  might   be  in  terms  of   population   growth? 

Whitfield:     Oh.    yes,    continually.      In  fact,    they're  just   finishing  another 
update   ef  future   needs. 

I'll  never  forget,    when  we  get  involved  in  the  Arroyo  Del 
Valle  Dam  up  there  in  the  site   up  in  Livermore,    we  hired  Sid 
Harding,    who  was  an  old  water  expert  who  taught  at  UC  California 
in  the  irrigation  department.     He  was  about   seventy-five  years 
eld.     One  day  Hyman  and  I  were  talking  about,   "What  are  we  going 
to  do  after  twenty-five  years?"     He  just  kind  of   sat  back,    he 
says,    "Well,    what  makes  you  two  fellas  think  that  twenty-five  er 
thirty  years  from  now  a  ceuple  of   guys  just  as   brilliant  er  more 
brilliant   than  you  will   figure  it  out  for   the  next  fifty  years?" 
Taught  me  a  lesson.     You  know,   if  you  plan  out  twenty-five  years 
with  a  master  plan  fer   the  future,    if  you  can  cover  for  twenty- 
five  years,    you're    doing   all    right. 

Lage:  Sidney  Harding  did  an  early  oral   history  with  our  office — A 

Whitfield:     Oh,    did  he? 

Lage:  He  has  a  little  section  in  it  on  his  work  with  the  Alameda 

County  Water  District. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    he  was  a   great  man.      He  was  very  well  respected  in  the 
state  as  a  water  expert. 

Lage:  He   seemed  to  be   involved  all   over.      Now   what  did  he  do  for  you; 

he  was  a   consultant  engineer? 


*Sidney   T.    Harding.    "A  Life  in  Western  Water  Development."   1967. 


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Whitfield:      Yes,    he   did  a  lot   of   the   studies   of   the  hydrology   ©f   the  Arroyo 
Del  Valle  and  all  that. 

Lage:  Did  he   de  any  negotiating  with  other  entities? 

Whitfield:     No. 


ACWD  and  the  Arroyo  Del  Valle 


Whitfield:      I   think  I   told  you.    but  maybe  you  want  to  wait,   but  the  Arroyo 
Del  Valle  wouldn't   be   there  except  for   us. 

Lage:  Why  don't  we  talk  about  that  next? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      Well,   we  knew   the  state  was   coming  through  with  the   south 
bay   aqueduct   program   for   us.     But   the  timing  was   slow.      They 
didn't  have  any  bond  issues  floated  then.      Our   salt  water 
intrusion  was   getting  worse.      Harvey  Banks  was  director  of   the 
Department  of  Water  Resources  at  the   time.      So  we  were.    well, 
good  friends,    and  he  was  an  outstanding  guy. 

So  we  went  up  and  met  with   the   state   people.      The   plans 
showed  a   tunnel   being  drilled  through  Brushy   Peak — that's  the 
Altamont  area — to  bring  water  in,    which  was   going  to  take  a  long 
time   and  be  very   expensive.      We   said,    "Ask  Harvey   if   he  could 
have   seme  of  his  staff  just   de  a  cursory   study   for   us   of  a   small 
temporary   aqueduct   coming  over  just  for   our   purposes."     When 
they   got  into  that   they   decided   that   they   found  it  more  feasible 
than   putting  the   tunnel    through. 

Then  when  we  got  into  the  Del  Valle.    when  we  applied  for 
the  unappropriated  water  of   the  Del  Valle.    the  Department   of 
Water  Resources  had  disregarded  the  Arroyo  Del  Valle  as  a  site 
for   terminal   storage.     But  when  we   got  into  it,    then  they 
decided  to  come  back.      There  was   some   cloud  en  the  geology   of   it 
that  wouldn't  make  it  feasible.      Then  they   found  out  that   they 
didn't   research   it  enough,    and  they   decided  to  build  that  dam 
themselves    up   there. 

Lage:  So  the   state  built  the  dam  at  Del  Valle? 

Whitfield:      Yes.   in  the   state  water   plans.      They  were   going  to  put  one   down 
at  Evergreen  in  San  Jose   for   terminal    storage   instead  of   up 
here. 

Lage:  This  probably   made   it  better  for  yeu. 


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Whitfield:      Oh.   yes.      And  then  we   got  the  advantage   of    capturing  the  local 
runoff.      We   didn't  put   up  any   capital   for  it.      We  agreed  on  a 
storage  charge  so  that  the  local  water  that  they  save  and 
release  when  we   can  percolate  it,    they  charge  us  so  much  per 
acre  foot  for  just   storing  it  in  there. 

Lage:  But  you've  got  the  water  rights  from   the  Arroyo  Del  Valle? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  Along  with  Pleasanton  Township  County  Water  District. 

Whitfield:      Yes.     At  the  time,    see,    Binkley  and  Hyman  were   also   consultants 
for   the  Pleasanton  Township  Water  District. 

Lage:  Oh,    I  was  wondering  how  you  worked  so  well  with  them. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Well,    they   called  us  and  asked  if  we  had  any  objection  if 
they  hired  them,   and  then  Binkley  and  Hyman  asked  us  if  we  had 
any   objection.      We   said  no.      It  would  be  better  because  we  have 
common  problems:      they've   get  a   ground  water  basin  that  they 
have  to  protect   up  there.      So  we  figured  that  rather  than  to 
litigate  how  much  of   the  runoff  from  Del  Valle  is  theirs,   and 
how    much  in  ours,    we  would  come  to  an  agreement  en  it  so  they 
get  a  share  and  we  get  a  share. 

Lage:  Was  it  hard  to  reach  that  agreement,    to  come  to  some  fair 

understanding? 

Whitfield:     No,    because   the  attorney   and  the  consultants  were  familiar  with 
both  sides. 

Lage:  And  wasn't  there  some  question  about  ground  water  problems  for 

the  people  down  the  stream   there,    too?      Did  that   come  up?      The 
people  downstream   from   the  place  you  took  the  water  on  Arroyo 
Del  Valle? 

Whitfield:     No.    no  problem  because  we  applied  for  the  unappropriated  waters. 
See.    if   someone  has  a  right  to  the  water,   you  can't   get  it.      But 
when  you  apply   for  water  in  the  state  of   California  to  export  it 
somewhere,   you  apply  for  the  unappropriated,    that  water  that 
isn't  being  used. 

Lage:  Is  it  hard  to  get?     What  is  the  application  process  involved? 

Whitfield:      It's  really   a  formality  as  far  as   the   Del  Valle  was    concerned. 
Sometimes  there  are  bitter  battles  over  taking  water  from   one 
area   to  another.     You  know,   like  the  Owens  Valley   down  there  in 
southern  California. 

Lage:  Or  like   the  Alameda   Creek  over  to  San  Francisco. 


Whitfield:      Yes.    But.    see,    in  those   days   there  wasn't  any  entity   really   to 
fight. 

Lage :  But  you  didn't  run  into  that  type   of   problem   in  bringing  water 

over  from  Livermore? 

Whitfield:     No,    no.      I  think  the  water  district   gets  about  4,000  acre  feet  a 
year  on  there. 

Lage:  Was  Del  Valle,    the  site  of   the  reservoir,    part  of  the  Patterson 

ranch  over  in  Livermore? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  Now,    would  that  have  been  said  to  the  state  or  to  the  county? 

Whitfield:      Oh,    to   the   state,    the  Department   of  Water  Resources. 

Lage:  But  was  there  any   reason  it  was  chosen?      Did  the  fact  that  it 

was  Patterson's  private   property  have  anything  to   do  with  why 
they   chose  it? 

Whitfield:     No. 

Lage:  It  just  happened  to  be  a  good  site? 

Whitfield:      It's  a   good  reservoir   site,    yes.      And  there  is   seme   runoff   in 
it. 

No.    in  fact,    that  wasn't  the  best  thing  in  the  world  for 
Patterson  at   the   time   because   I   think  it's  right  in  the  middle 
of   his  property. 

Lage:  Yes,     that's  what   I've  heard,    too.      It   sort  of   took  a   chunk  right 

out  of   it. 

Whitfield:     But  he  never  fought  it.      He  just  figured  it  was  the  right  thing 
to    do. 


Patterson  Interest  in  Flood  Control    and  the  Reber  Plan 


Whitfield:     Of   course,    channelizing  the  Alameda  Creek  may   have  been  a  mixed 
blessing  for  him  also.      You  know,    the  farmers  way   down  on  the 
flood  plain  used  to  get  a  lot  of   new   top  soil  down  there  from 
the  runoff  when  it   floodecLh 

Lage:  Yes.    that's   right.      I've  heard  that,    and  Patterson  was  among 

them.      So   the  flooding  benefited   the  ranch  operation. 


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Whitfield:      To  some  extent,   but  from  the  standpoint   of   damage   that  the 
flooding  did  when  it  broke   the  levies  before,    there's  an 
economic  balance  point  in  there  somewhere.     But  the   development 
would  never   have  occurred  in  this  area  if   that  old  creek  hadn't 
been  channel  iz  e  d. 

Lage:  Did  you  have  the  sense   that  it  was  being  channelized  so  there 

could  be  development?      I  mean,   was  that  behind  the  campaign  to 
get  people  to  accept  it? 

Whitfield:      Yes.    to   some   degree. 

Lage:  Because   weren't   the  local   people  taxed  to  fund  the  flood  control 

work? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      In  fact,    Mr.    Patterson  was  on  the  flood  control   board.      He 
was  during  the  regime  when  it  was   built. 

Lage:  Let's   discuss   briefly   the  Reber  Flan*  and  then  maybe  we'll  stop 

for  today. 

Whitfield:     You  had  asked  me  what  the  Reber  Plan  was  and  why  Patterson 

supported  it.      I   think  one   of   the  main  reasons  he  supported  it 
was  because   the  intent  was  to  put  this  barrier  across  the 
southern  end  of   the  bay  and  make  a  fresh  water  lake.      That  would 
have  precluded  all   the  saltwater  intrusion  into  our  ground  water 
basin,   which  he  had  a  vital   interest  in  because  he  was  a  big 
farmer,    and  he  was  pumping  a  lot  of  water. 

Lage:  So  he  was  a  big  supporter  of  it? 

Whitfield:  Yes,    he  was.      He  knew   Reber  personally   for  years. 

Lage:  Did  you  get  involved  in  that  at  all? 

Whitfield:  I  went   to  a  lot  of  meetings,    hearings,    on  it,   yes. 

Lage:  Who  was  holding  hearings  about  it? 

Whitfield:     Well,    they   weren't  hearings,    there  were  just  meetings  explaining 
it.      I'd  been  to  a   couple  where  Reber  was   the   speaker. 


*  The  Reber  Plan  was   developed  in  the  1940s  by  John  Reber,    a 
self-taught  engineer.      He   proposed  to   divide  San  Francisco  Bay 
by   a  series  of   earthwork  dams  topped  by  highways  and  railways. 
The  result  would  be  two  large  freshwater  lakes  at   the  north  and 
south  ends   of   the  bay.      The  plan  was  endorsed  by   the  Alameda 
County  Water  District  in  1947. 


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Lage:  What  kind  of  a   person  was  Reber;  was  he  an  engineer? 

Whitfield:     N«.    I  d«n' t  think  he  was. 
Lage:  Was  it  John  Reber? 

Whitfield:     John  Reber.    yes.      I   forget  what  he  did.      It  was   some  field  you 

wouldn't  expect  him   to  evolve  from,    into  the  Reber  Plan,    though. 
But  he  had  a  lot  of   people  supporting  him.      I   don't  know   whether 
Patterson  supported  him  financially  or  net,    but  he   supported  him 
for   a  long  time   until — Reber  just  wouldn't  give  in  on  anything. 
He  had  this  master   plan  for  metropolitan  airports  and  lakes, 
navy   shipyards   and  all   that  stuff. 

Lage:  So   the  fresh  water  lake    down  here  was  just  one  aspect. 

Whitfield:      I   think  that  was  probably  what  got — and  I'm  just  surmising — but 
that  probably   get   Mr.    Patterson  so  interested  in  it  because  the 
saltwater  intrusion  started  back  in  the  1920s  here,    into  the 
upper  aquifer.      Then  when  they   developed  a   centrifugal   pump   they 
could  pump  from   a  greater  depth,    and  it   started  to  ceme  in  worse. 

Lage:  Was  the  Reber  plan  seen  as  sort  of  a  overall   solution  to  their 

problem? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      We've  always   said  that  you  never  could  afford  te  build  a 

storage  facility  as  large  as   the   ground  water  basin  we've   got  in 
here. 

Lage:  Net  subject  te  evaporation,    either. 

Whitfield:      Yes.   and  it's   safe  from   radiation,    toe.    te  a   greater  extent   than 
open-surface   reservoirs.      I  think  that  was  the  main  reason  why 
Patterson  was   behind  it.     But  when  they   got  to  the   nitty   gritty 
on  it   and  Reber  just  wouldn't  back  down  on  any   of   these   aspects, 
then  you  could  see   the  handwriting  on  the  wall;   it   didn't  have   a 
chance . 

Lage:  Did  any   public  agency   take   it   up  or  endorse   it   that  you  know   ef? 

Whitfield:      I   think  eur  water   district  endorsed  it.      I   don't   know  whether 
the  cities   did  or   not. 

Lage:  It  would  have  taken  a  tremendous  amount  of   cooperative  effort 

since  it  included   the  entire   bay. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Now   you  see   the  recent  judgment  that  came  out  from   the 
appellate   court  or   the  federal    courts  on  the  Water  Resources 
Control  Board  that   they   never   set  the   standards   for   protecting 
the    delta  high  enough.      That's   a  landmark   decision  for   the 
courts  to  step  in  under  another  jurisdiction  and  tell   them.      I 


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Whitfield;      think  they   didn't  tell   them  te  revise  it,    but   I   think  legally   it 
comes   up  within  another  year  for  review   and  revision  and  the 
court  warned  that  they'd  better  think  more  in  terms  of  the 
quality   of  water  in  the  delta  now. 

Lage:  That's  right.      Your   district   gets   delta  water,    doesn't  it?      So 

that  would  be   a  direct   concern  here. 

Whitfield:  Well,   it   comes  from  way  up  there. 

Lage:  Further  up? 

Whitfield:  Yes. 

Lage:  I  asked  you  about  the  Seito  well,   which  was  an  issue  about  1954. 

Whitfield:      Yes.      In  those  days,   we  went  out  and  rented  wells  that  were 
drilled.      We  had  three  or  four   of    them   that  we  rented.      The 
Seito  well  was  down  in  Newark  off  Mayhew  Landing  Road.      You 
knew,    some  of   the  well  water  is  naturally  soft  in  this  area. 
It's  a   phenomenon  in  the   ground  water   structure  or   geology   that 
softens  the  water.      Soito's.    we  found,    was  a  seft-water  well,    so 
that's  why  we  leased  it. 

Lage:  Didn't  the  farmers  in  the  area  feel    that  when  the  district 

pumped  out  the  Soito  well,    they  were   going  to   start   getting  salt 
in  their  water? 

Whitfield:     Yes.    or  we  were  going  te  pump  the  water  table  way  down.      They 
wanted  us  te   pay  for   them  having  to  pump  their  water  mere. 

Lage:  Amaral   was  involved  in  that.      Was  that  near  the  Patterson 

property? 

Whitfield:     No,     it's   only   about  a  thousand  feet  out   of   the  center  of   old 
Newark,   I'd  say. 

Lage:  So  Amaral,    at  that  point  in  the  minutes,    said  he  wanted  te  rely 

more  on  Hetch  Hetchy  water  instead  of   drawing  out   of   the  Soito 
well. 

Whitfield:      I   think  his  intent  then  was  te  buy   more  from  Hetchy. 

Lage:  Yes,    instead  of  endangering  the   ground  water.     How   did  that   get 

resolved?     Patterson  wanted  to  pump,    and  actually   he  lost, 
according  to  the   board  minutes.      Patterson  wanted  to   continue  to 
pump  the  well,    and  the  beard  voted  3-2  not  to  pump  it. 

Whitfield:      Oh,    did  they?      I  have  no  memory   ef   this.      [laughs] 


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Board  Member  Jack  Prouty 
[Interview  2:  June  5.   1986]  i 


Lage:  Today    is  June  5th,    1986,   and  it's  a   second  interview   with  Matt 

Whitfield.      We  were   going  to  start  with  a  couple   of  windup 
things   from   last   time.      I  had  run  across  the  portion  of    the 
minutes  that  talked  about  when  Jack  Prouty  was  asked  to  leave 
the  board  because  he  moved  out   of   the  district.     You  were  going 
to   give  me   some   background  on  that  and   Patterson's  role   there. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      The  problem  was  that  Jack  Prouty   had  moved  out  of   the 

district,   and   the  legal   opinion  was   that  he   could  no  longer  be  a 
board  member  because   of   the  fact  he  moved  out.      (Subsequently 
that  land  has    been   annexed.) 

The  attorney    for   the  water  district  was  concerned  because, 
if  he  was  was  not  legally  on  the   board  and  he  voted  on  anything 
that  might  have  involved  a  bond  issue  or  something,    that  might 
invalidate   the  action  of   the  board.      So  the   president  ef   the 
board,    John  Pi  hi,    asked  Hyman's  legal   opinion.      He  researched  it 
and  he   concluded — he   checked  with  other  attorneys — and   concluded 
that  you  cannot  be   a  member  ef   the  board  if  you  don't  reside   in 
the   district. 

Lage:  Prouty    didn't  agree  with   that  interpretation? 

Whitfield:     He   didn't  agree  with  it,    no. 

Lage:  Earlier  you  were  giving  me  a  little  background  about   Prouty' s 

position  on   the    board. 

Whitfield:     Jack  was  a  friend  of  Joe  Eastwood,    and  anytime  we  asked  for  an 
idea   of  what  Joe's  opinion  was,    he   always   used  to   say,    "Well, 
maybe   Joe  Eastwood  won't  like   this,"  or  you  know. 


Lage: 


Tell  me  more  about  Joe  Eastwood. 


Whitfield:     Joe  Eastwood  II   owned  Pacific  States  Steel   over  in  Miles,    which 
in  those  days  was   the  major  industry  out  here  besides  West  Vaco. 

Lage:  So  he  was  an  influential   community   man? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      I   think  they  had  about  four  or  five  hundred   employees. 
Joe  Eastwood  was  a  very   interesting  man  because  his  father 
founded  Pacific  States  Steel    over  on  the   Peninsula,    and  then 
they   moved  to  San  Francisco.      He  was  an  independent   steel 
company  and  you  had  to   be   plenty   rugged  to  succeed  in  the   steel 
industry,    you  know,    with  big  Bethlehem    Steel   and  all  those.      He 
was   a  very   forceful   man  and  very  outspoken. 


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Lage:  Is   this  father  or  son  that  we're  talking  about? 

Whitfield:  Oh.  this  is  Joe  Eastwood — I  never  knew  his  father,  but  there's 
another  Joe  Eastwood  who  survived  his  father.  After  that  they 
went  out  of  business. 

Lage:  But   the  Joe  Eastwood  we're  talking  about  is  probably  the  second. 

Whitfield:      Yes,   he  was   the  main  man  over  there. 

Lage:  Then  you  mentioned  to  me  that  there'd  been  a  problem  in  the 

flood  of   '55? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      That  was  before  the  Corps  of   Engineer   channelized  the 

Alameda  Creek  from  Niles  Canyon  to  the  bay.      The  flood  was  so 
spontaneous  it  overtopped  our  levy   into  the  Shinn  Pit.    and  it 
went  out  in  two  directions  then.      It  went   down  into  the   steel 
mill   and  flooded  them   partially  out.      It  also  flooded  the  Shinn 
subdivision  over  in  that  area,   which  was  a  fairly  new 
subdivision.      People,    in  fact,    had  just  moved  in  that  summer, 
and  that  winter   they   got  floating  around   over   there. 

Lage:  I  read  in  the  minutes  about   some  of  the  people  who  came  to  the 

board  meeting  to  complain.      It   sounds  as  if  you  were  put  on  the 
hot    seat   there. 

Whitfield:     We  had  a   couple  of   public  meetings  in  the  old  courthouse  down 
there   over  it.      It  was  a  hot  and  heavy   thing. 

Lage:  Was  it  a   case  where  it   could  have  been  avoided  through  the  water 

district — ? 

Whitfield:     No.      There  was  nothing  to  do  because   the  flood  was  one  of   the 
big  floods  we  had.     We  had  one.    I   think,    in   '54  and  one  in   '55. 

Lage:  That  was  a  big  flood  year  everywhere. 

Whitfield:      Yes,    everywhere.      The   channel  was  of   a  minimal   size,   and   that's 
one  of   the  reasons  why   when  we  had  talked  previously  about  the 
interest  in  getting  the   Corps   of  Engineers  to   come  in  and 
channelize   the  creek,    which   they   did. 

Lage:  I  know   there  was  reference  in  the  minutes  to  the  fact   that  the 

flood  control   bonds  had  been  voted  down  previously.     Then  were 
they  voted  for  after  that?      I  mean,    did  that   provide  the  impetus 
to  pass  those? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  So  Joe  Eastwood  would  come  to  the  water  district? 


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Whitfield:     He  would  come  occasionally  or   call  up.      In  fact,    I   got  to  be 
good  friends  with  him  after   the  flood  situation.      He   used  to 
call  me   up  and    [laughs]    say.    "Hey,    Matt,   now   tell  me  honestly 
what   the  hell's   going  on  over  with   the  water  district?"     So  I'd 
tell   him.      I   said.    "What   do  you  think's   going  en   that    I  won't 
tell  you?" 

Lage:  Did  he  have  a  particular  interest  in  the  direction  the  water 

district  would  take? 

Whitfield:     Oh.  yes. 

Lage:  What  kinds  of   concerns  would  he  have,    aside   from   the  flood? 

Whitfield:     Well,    ground  water.     He  was  all  for   the   ground  water  recharge 
because   they   were  relying  on  wells  over   there  for   their  plant. 
Then  they   started  to   get   smatterings  of   salt  water  intrusion. 
So   that  was  his  main  interest.      Then,    after   that*    he  took  an 
interest  in  it,    yes. 

Lage:  So  Prouty  saw   himself  as  something  of  a  go-between  for  Eastwood? 

Whitfield:      I   think,   yes.      There  was  friction  between  John  Pihl  and  Prouty 
on  the  board — they're  both  deceased  now — because   Prouty   felt 
that  he  was   being  bypassed.      He   couldn't   be  his   own   official 
conveyor   of   information  through   this  Joe  Eastwood.       [laughs] 

Lage:  You  didn't  mention  on  the   tape   that   Pihl  was  manager  for  the 

steel   company,    so  he  was  a  more  direct  representative  of 
Eastwood.      Did  Pihl   generally,    then,   represent   the  point  of  view 
of   industry   on  the  board? 

Whitfield:      Oh.   yes.     Well,   he  represented  everybody. 
Lage:  He   didn't  have  a  particular  point  of  view? 

Whitfield:     No,   but  he  ran  for  the  board  after  the  flood. 

Lage:  Was  this  attempt   to  have  Prouty   leave   the  board  any  kind  of   a 

personal  vendetta,    or   do  you  think  it  was  just   strictly   that 
legal   question? 

Whitfield:     Oh.    no.      The  main  thing  was  a  legal  question,      You  can  see   the 
logic   of    that.      You   can't    go   on  operating   if    Prouty's   on   the 
board  illegally,    and  it  might  invalidate  our  bonds  or  something 
like  that.      Or  maybe  make  them  more  expensive   to   sell   if  you 
have   that   kind  of    a  cloud  hanging  over   the  district. 


Lage: 


I  notice  that  William  Patterson  was,    I  think,    the  only  member 
who  voted  not   to  put   Prouty   off   the  board. 


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Whitfield:      Did  he?      I   don't  remember  that. 

Lage:  He  voted  no.      Do  you  remember  his  feelings  about  this,    or  his 

role  in  it  at  all? 

Whitfield:     Well,    I  think  you  hit  it  pretty   well.      He  was  very   much  of   a 
peacemaker   type   of  man.      But  I   don't  recall   that  he  voted 
against  it. 

Lage:  That's  what  the  board  minutes   show,    and  then  he  spoke   up  for 

harmony  on  the  board.     He  hoped  to  avoid  any  more  incidences 
that    didn't   show    harmony. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Well,    I  think  that  was  probably  in  all  my  time  with  the 
board  the  most   delicate,    undesirable  thing  to  have  to   do. 

Lage:  Kind  of   a  personal    thing. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    because  we  all  knew   Jack.      Jack  was  on  the  board  when  I  was 
hired,   and  he  was  well-known  in  the   community. 

Lage:  What  was  his  business? 

Whitfield:     He  was   school    teacher  in  the  Irvington  school   district.      I  don't 
know  whether  he  was  a  principal   down  there  or  not.      I   think  he 
may   have  been.      Then  when  the  war  came  along  somehow   he  got  in 
with  Lloyd  Bailey,   who  was  another  big  landowner  and  a  big 
farmer — not  quite  as  big  as  the  Pattersons.      Somehow   he  helped 
Bailey   run  his  operation  for   several  years. 

Lage:  Patterson  mentioned  also  at  this  meeting  that  Prouty  had  given  a 

great   deal,    donated  things  to  the   district;   he   particularly 
mentioned  that  he  donated  water  rights  from   a  certain  well. 

Whitfield:     Prouty  had? 

Lage:  That's  what  he   said,    that  he'd  given  more  to  the  district  than 

anybody   else,    and  he  mentioned  a  well. 

Whitfield:     Oh,    I  know.      The  Olive  Avenue  well.      Well,    I  don't  know    that  he 
donated  it.      I   don't  think  he   donated  the  lot   to   us.      He  may 
have,    but   I  don't  remember  it.      That's   still   in  the  system,    off 
Olive  Avenue. 


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IV      THE  STATE  WATER   PROJECT'S   SOUTH  BAY  AQUEDUCT 


Early  Applicants  for  Delta  Water 


Lage:  Why   don't  we  go  onto  the  state  water  project  and  how   the 

district  fit  into  that? 

Whitf ield:     Well,    the  state  water  plan  was  long  in  formulating.      There  was  a 
lot  of   study  and  design  work  and  all    that.      The   district,    before 
I  came   to  work  in  1950,   had  applied  for  unappropriated  water  at 
the  delta.      This  was  long  before   the   state  water   plan  became  a 
reality.      We  had  the  idea  that  we  would  build  our  own  aqueduct 
someday. 

Lage:  Oh,    I  see.      So  the  idea  was  to  apply  where  water  is  available 

and  then  in  the  future,   if  you  need  it,  you  have   the  rights? 

Whitf  ield:     You  apply   for  a  certain  amount  of   unappropriated  water,    but 

anybody  that  has  water  rights  on  that   stream   or  body   of  water 
has   prior   rights.      You   can't   appropriate. 

Lage:  So  you  put  your  bid  in  for  some   delta  water? 

Whitf  ield:      I   think  they   went   in  in  the  forties  and  applied  for 

unappropriated  water  of   the  delta,   with  the  idea  that  maybe  we 
would  build  our   own  aqueduct.      Then  the  state   plan  came  along, 
so  then  we  took   the   position,    well,    if   the   state's   going  to 
build  one   we  won't  have   to. 

Lage:  Did  the  water   district  have  a  representative  in  Sacramento? 

Whitf  ield:     No.      We   used  to  go   up  and  meet  with   them. 

Lage:  Did  you  lobby   for  or  support  legislation  having  to   do  with 

water? 

Whitfield:     We   took  action  in  favor   of    things,    endorsed  things,    yes. 


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Working  with  the  Department  of  Water  Resources 


Lage:  Did  you  have  a  pretty   good  relationship  with  the  Department  of 

Water  Resources? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Harvey  Banks    [the  director   of   the  Department  of  Water 

Resources]   was  an  engineer.   Thad  Binkley,  who  was  a   consultant 
engineer   for   the  district   in  those   days,    was,    I  think,    a 
classmate   of  Harvey's  over  at  Stanford,    so  he  knew   him 
personally.      Then  we  got  to  know    him  quite  well.      He  was  a  good, 
straightforward,    straight- shooter   type   of    guy. 

Lage:  Not  a  politician  type? 

Whitfield:     No.      The  subsequent  one.    Bill  Warne,    was  more  politically 
oriented. 

Lage:  Now,    how  would  that  be  evidenced?     When  you  say   someone's 

politically  oriented,   how   does  that  affect  the  way  you  deal  with 
them? 

Whitfield:  Well,  I  don't  think  you  deal  with  them  any  differently  except 
that  you  have  the  feeling  you're  dealing  with  a  big  operating 
politician,  as  compared  to  Harvey  Banks,  who  was  a  very  smart 
man.  He  knew  engineering,  and  he  knew  the  projects. 

Lage:  Maybe  he  knew   his  business  better? 

Whitfield:      I  don't  think  Warne   understood  as  much  about  the   state  water 
plan  as  Harvey  Banks   did.      Harvey  Banks   is   still   a  consultant 
engineer  for  many   districts.      In  fact,    he's   been   consultant 
engineer   ever  since  he  got  out   of   the  Department  of  Water 
Resources.      But   I   think  his   character  and  reputation  in  the 
state  had  a  lot  to  do  with  the  state  water  plan  going  through. 
I  think  Warne  was  back  in  Washington  for  I   don't   know  how   many 
years  in  some   capacity   or   other  prior  to  coming  with  the  state 
of   California. 

Lage:  He  and  Banks  were  both  interviewed  by   our   office.* 


*  Harvey   0.    Banks,    California  Water  Project.    1955-1961.   1967. 
William  E.   Warne,    "Administration  of  the  Department  of  Water 
Resources,    1961-1966"  in  California  Water  Issues.    1950-1966. 
1981. 


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Whitfield:     Well,    don't  let  him  read  what  I  said.      [laughter]      He's  not 
there   anymore. 

Lage:  No.    then  Gianelli   came  in? 

Whitfield:     Bill  Gianelli  was  a  young  engineer  when  this  all  started  out. 

Lage:  Was  he  with  the  Department  of  Water  Resources  as   a  young 

engineer? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      And  John  Teerink.      It  was  very   interesting,    the  attorney 
they  had  was  a  very   brilliant  man,    and  he  was  totally   blind, 
Russ — I  can't  remember  his  last  name.      He  was  amazing.      The 
contract  is  about  an  inch  and  a  half   thick,    and  he  had  his 
Braille   copy.      Boy,    he'd  enter   in  the   discussions,    and  he'd   flip 
a   page  and  quote  what  it   said  and   all    that. 


Ground  Water  Basin  vs.    Hetch  Hetchy  Water;     The  Primary   Conflict 


Lage:  New,    in  the  mid-fifties,    there  seemed  to  be  a  lot  of  discussion 

in  the  district  about   state  water  as  one  of   the  options  or 
directions  you  were  going  to  take.      In  my   research   I  picked  up  a 
statement  from   [former  Fremont  mayor]  Jack  Stevenson,   which  must 
have  been  in  the  newspaper,    that  the  district   seemed  lukewarm 
about   Feather  River  water.      Did  they   feel  you  weren't    going 
after  it  hard  enough? 

Whitfield:      I   think  what  happens  sometimes  is  people  get  excited  about 

something,  and  they  think  they're  all  for  it  prior  to  knowing 
what  the  facts  are.  I  think  the  district  has  always  taken  the 
conservative  approach:  we  want  to  pursue  avenues,  but  we  want 
to  know  what  we're  doing  before  we  commit  ourselves,  before  we 
go  out  forcefully  endorsing  it.  and  I  think  that's  always  been 
the  district  attitude. 

We  had  the  Hetch  Hetchy   lines   going  all  through  the 
district,   and  we  had  connections  to  them.      There  was   some 
faction  that  wanted  us  to  forget  the  ground  water  basin.      The 
only   conflict  we  had  in  our   district  was   ground  water  basin  vs. 
Hetch  Hetchy   water.      Of  course.    Hetch  Hetchy  water  was  much 
softer,    less  mineral   content  and  all   that,    but  more  expensive. 

Lage:  The  state  water  system  meant  ground  water  recharging? 

Whitfield:     No.    not   necessarily. 

Lage:  You  could  bring  it  in  as  a   surface   distribution? 


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Whitfield:     We  have  a  ten-million  gallon  a   day   treatment   plant  up  on  the 
hill  with  South  Bay  Aqueduct  water. 

Lage:  And  that's  for  surface   distribution? 

Whitfield:     Then  since    I've  been  retired,    probably   in  the  last  five  years, 
they  bought  another  location  for  another  treatment   plant  up 
there,    because    there's  more  capacity   in  the  aqueduct.      But 
southern  California  does   both   ground  water  recharge  and  surface 
distribution. 

Lage:  So  were  these  two  separate  issues?      I  guess  it  was  never  tee 

controversial   that  you  would  get  the  state  water,    ©r  was  it? 
Did  some  people   say,    "Forget  the  state  water  project?" 

Whitfield:  Well,  there  were  some  people  who  were  against  the  state  water, 
yes.  But  our  main  conflict  was  ground  water  vs.  Hetch  Hetchy 
water. 

The  problem  with  Hetchy  water  was  that  it  costs  more. 
There  were  times  when  saltwater  intrusion  was   getting  worse,   and 
the  board  would  say,    'Veil,    let's   go   take  more  Hetch  Hetchy 
water."     But  if  you  took  more  Hetchy  water,    then  you  had  to 
raise   rates,     so   then  they'd  back  off.      A  board  director  in  a 
community  as  small  as  this  was  never  wants  to  raise  rates,   you 
know. 

Lage:  They   seem  very   conservative  fiscally. 

Whitfield:      Yes,    right.      So  we  finally   got   over   that  hurdle. 


Jurisdictienal   Disputes  with  the  Flood  Control   District 


Whitfield:     Now   where  we  got  in  a   difficulty  here  on  the  South  Bay  Aqueduct 
was  with  plans  of   the  flood   control   district.      The  flood   control 
district  has  zones,    run-off  zones  and  all   that.      Herb  Crowle, 
the  public  works  director  of  Alameda  County,    and  others,   were  en 
the  side   of   creating  zone  eight,    which  would  have  been  all  this 
area   down  here. 

Lage:  Zone  eight  of   the  flood  control   district? 

Whitfield:      Yes,   but  it  never  went  through. 

Lage:  Did  Crowle  want  to  combine  it  with  water  distribution? 


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Whitfield:  No.  he  wanted  a  set-up  like  zone  seven  in  the  Livermore  Valley. 
They  do  conservation  work,  and  they  import  water  from  the  state 
water  plan  up  there. 

Lage:  And  do  flood  control. 

Whitfield:     And   do   flood   control.      Our   district   doesn't  do  any    flood 

control.     But  if   they   created  zone  eight,   it  would  mean  that 
there  would  be   another  layer  of   government  between  us  and  the 
state. 

Lage:  I   see.      Zone  eight  would  have  contracted  for  water  with  the 

state. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    that's  what  they   wanted.      That  would  mean  that  we  would 
have  nothing  to   say  about  anything.      Flood   control  would 
contract  with   the  state,    and  then  they   would  set  rates  for   us, 
to   sell  it  to   us.      The   board  never  would   go  along  with   that. 
Why   put   somebody   else  in  there  responsible  for  determining  your 
rate   structure? 

Lage:  That's  right.      Why   did  Herbert  Crowle  support  that?     Would  he 

have  had  more  authority  in  zone  eight? 

Whitfield:  Oh,   sure. 

Lage:  Any   other  local   politicians  that  supported  it,    city   politicians? 

Whitfield:  Yes,    there  were   some   people. 

Lage:  Again  hoping  to  have  a  say   over   things? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      I  think  there  are   certain   people  in  the   community  who  took 
up  the  idea,    and  maybe   some  of    the  cities  too,    and  particularly 
Fremont. 


Early  Water  Conservation  Measures 


Lage:  Did  the  proponents  of   zone  eight  have  a  different  approach   to 

water  policy — less   ground  water  recharge   or  any   of    these  issues 
that  we've   talked  about? 

Whitfield:     They    may   have  been  swayed  more  by   less  ground  water  recharge, 

but   the   only   problem  is,   Ann.  with  that  issue:   the   ground  water 
basin   is  like   being  just  a  little  bit   pregnant;    you're  either 
going  to  have    salt  water  in  it   or  you're  not.      So   the    steps   that 
we've   taken  have  been  necessary   to  keep   salt  water   out   of   the 
ground  water.      In  the  earlier  years  and   the  late  forties  it  was 


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Whitfield:     just  local  run-off   that  was   diverted  into  pits  to  recharge  the 
ground  water.      Then  we  got  some  releases.      In  1936.   we  got 
releases  from  San  Francisco  in  accordance  with  the  Bailey 
formula  again.      The  Bailey   formula  was  determined  when  Spring 
Valley  Water  Company  in  San  Francisco  built  the   Calaveras  Dam  on 
Calaveras   Creek,    a  major   tributary   to  Alameda   Creek. 

Lage:  The  Bailey  Formula  went  way  back  to  an  early   court   decision, 

didn't  it? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      What  that  did  in  essence  was.   when  you  put  in  all   these 
factors  of  humidity  and  rainfall  and  all   this — I  never   did 
understand  it — but  you  come  out  with  a  figure  that  will  tell  you 
how  much  water  would  have  percolated  from  the  Alameda  Creek  into 
our   ground  water  basin  had  the  water  flowed  uninhibited  by   the 
dam. 

Lage:  That's  really  an  interesting  figure. 

Whitfield:      Yes.      It's  a   simple  feature,    but   I  never   did  understand   the 
formula.    I  never  had  to  calculate  it.      But   then  in  the  mid- 
thirties  the  ground  water  level  went  way  down,   and  salt  water 
kept   coming  in  worse   and  worse.      Mr.    Patterson  went  to  San 
Francisco  and  negotiated  with  Tom  Espy  and  George   Pracy.      He  was 
the   general    manager,    chief   engineer. 

Anyway,    they  worked  out  a  deal  where  if  we  took  over   some 
of   the  free  water  obligations  that  San  Francisco  had  inherited 
from  the  Spring  Valley  Water  Company,   in  the  entire   community, 
they   would  give   us  some  advance   releases.      They  gave  us  many 
thousand  acre-feet  of  water.     We   used  to  have  a  hydrograph  on 
the  boardroom — it's  taken  down  now — back  to  1913,   and  you  could 
see  the  water  level   going  down,    down,    down,   and  then  when  they 
started   releasing  this  water,    up,    up,    up  again.      That  was  one   of 
the    district's   first    conservation   efforts. 

The  first   conservation  thing  was  buying  out  the  Oakland 
Water  Works  at  Alvarado  to  prevent  that  eight  million   gallons  of 
water  from   being  exported.      Then  the  next  one  was  the  San 
Francisco  releases.      They   used  the   original  Western  Pacific 
borrow   pit,    where  they  dug  out  the  gravel  when  the  Western 
Pacific  came  through  this   community  to  make  the  road  beds  for 
the  railroad  tracks.      San  Francisco  had  a   thirty-six  inch  water 
line  that  went  down  Per  alt  a  Boulevard.      The  water   district  ran  a 
pipe   over  into  the  pit  and  that  used  to  percolate  thirty   million 
gallons  of  water  a  day.      Of  course,    that  was   clear  water  with  no 
turbidity    in  it  at  all. 

Lage:  That  was  Hetch  Hetchy  water? 


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Whitfield:     No.   it   came  from  the   Calaveras,    the  local   run-off   that  was 
stared  in  their  reservoir.      So  those  were  the  main  steps  in 
trying  to  eliminate   the   saltwater  intrusion.      In  other  words, 
they   tried  to  get  the  water  level   up  to  sea  level,    so   the 
gradient  wouldn't   be  inland;  it  would  reverse   the  flow  and 
prevent   salt  water  from   entering  the  ground  water  basin.      They 
succeeded  in   doing   that. 

Lage:  Then  when  was  the  next   crisis  period?      Was  there  another  real 

crisis   during  the   thirties,    or  were  you  planning  ahead  enough? 

Whitfield:     The  planning  that  they   did  was  to  get  everything  that  was 

available  within  reason  because   the   district   didn't  have   the 
finances  to  build  big  projects.      Before  the  South  Bay  Aqueduct 
came  in,    we   didn't  know  what   chance  we  had  because   there  were  no 
real    bond  issues   in  this   district. 


District  Role  in  Del  Valle  Reservoir  Planning 


Lage: 


This  is  another  question  that   came   up  in  the  research.      You 
hired  Sidney   Harding — I  think  we  talked  about  that  last  time — in 
'57.      In  his   oral  history,    he  talks  about  his  role  in  working 
with   the  state.      Was  he  an  important  person  in  the  negotiations? 


Whitfield:      Yes.   he  was.      He  helped  with  them. 

Lage:  Did  he  have  anything  to  do  with   those  key  decisions,   which  we 

need  to  get  into,   about  the  way  the  water  would   come  from   the 
aqueduct   instead  of   through   the  tunnel? 

Whitfield:     Well,   he  was   the   consultant  on  the  Del  Valle  Dam  for   us.     You 
see,    we  had  applied  for   the  unappropriated  water  of   the  Del 
Valle  watershed.     We  thought  that  maybe  the   state  would  put  in  a 
regulatory   storage   dam.      They  would  bring  water  from   the  delta 
in  the  wintertime  and  store  it  there,    and  then  it   could  be 
released  in  the   summer  here. 

But   for   some  reason,    their  geology   indicated  that  it  wasn't 
a  suitable   site  for  a   dam  and   they   decided  not  to  make  it  a   part 
of    the  state   plan.      But,    since   the  district  had  applied  for   the 
unappropriated  water,   we  had  an  interest  in   seeing  the   dam  built 
there,    and  he  did  the  calculations  and  all   that  and  represented 
us  in  Sacramento  with  the   Department   of  Water  Resources. 

When  you  apply   for   unappropriated  water,    you  have  to  keep 
making  reports  every   so  many  years  on  what  your   progress  is. 
That  keeps  your   application  alive.      So  we  just   decided  to  push 
it  a  little  harder  and   go   up  to  talk  to  the  Department   of  Water 


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Whitfield:     Resources  with  Harvey  Banks  and  others.      Harvey   decided.    "Well, 
since  you  guys  are  interested,    why   don't  we  go   back  and  take 
another  look  at  it?"     They  went   back  and  did  some  more   geology 
and  found  that  it  was  a   suitable   site. 

Lage:  So  they  have  built  the   dam.      Do  they   use  it  to  store  the  South 

Bay  Aqueduct  water? 

Whitfield:      Yes. 
** 

Lage:  What  about  Thad  Binkley?      He  was  a  long-time  engineer  with  you. 

How   did  he  fit  in  with  Harding? 

Whitfield:     Well.    Binkley   helped  us  negotiate  the  contract,    and  he  did  a  let 
of  our  actual   design  work  for   physical  facilities   of 
transmission,    reservoirs,    and  that  kind  of   thing.      In  the  early 
days,    we  had  a  limited  engineering  staff. 

Lage:  When  did  you  start  developing  more  of   an  engineering  staff? 

Whitfield:     Before  '58  we  only  had  about  three  engineers.      We   gradually  just 
kept   adding. 

Lage:  As  you  expanded? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  In  fact,    one  of   the  things  Harding  mentions  is  that  he  broke   off 

his   contract   because  it  wasn't  enough  engineering  help  for  him. 
This  is  in  his  oral   history. 

Whitfield:      You  mean,  with  us? 

Lage:  With  you.      That  he  contracted  for  a  certain  amount  of   time  but 

he   got  out  of  it  earlier  because   the    district  hadn't   provided 
the  proper  engineering  support  for  him. 

Whitfield:      I  don't  think  Sid  had  a  staff.     I  think  Sid  did  all  his  own 
work. 

Lage:  Well,    that's  why   he  was   complaining  about   it.      [laughs] 

Whitfield:      That   doesn't   stand  out  in  my   mind.      My  recollection  is   that   the 
work  that  he  had  done  had  been  accomplished. 

Lage:  Well,   he   did  make  it   sound  as  if  he   completed  his   basic   goals. 

He  worked  with  San  Francisco  he  said,    and  then  on  Del  Valle  and 
then  also  in  negotiating  with   the    state. 


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Lage:  Another  thing  he  mentioned  was  that  he   seemed  to  find  that  he 

had  less  to  do  with   the  board  of  directors  and  more  to  do  with 
the   staff,   you.    I  assume.      That  surprised  him   that  the   board 
didn't  deal   with  him  more.      Do  you  recall? 

Whitfield:      They   didn't   deal  with  him.      He'd  been  to  a   couple    of  meetings, 
explained  things   and  stuff  like   that. 

Lage:  It   didn't  seem  strange  to  me.      It  would  seem — 

Whitfield:     Unless  Sid  had  been  used  to  working  with  bigger  organizations. 

Lage:  With  boards  that  were  more  active  in   day-to-day  management. 

Whitfield:     The  board  in  general   was  net  active.      The  only  one   that  was 

really  active  in  the   day-to-day  business  was   Mr.   Patterson — not 
in  a   pushy   way   or  anything,    just  as  a  businessman  interested. 
He   used  to   stop  and  see  me  a   couple   times   a  week.      He'd   say, 
•Veil,    Matt,    how   are  things   going?     Anything  new   come  up  that  I 
don't    know    about?"      I'd   tell    him. 

Lage:  Did  he  have  a  pretty   good  grasp  of   the  technical   aspects  of    it 

all? 

Whitfield:     Oh*   yes.      We  had  board  members  that  just  loved  grilling 

engineers,  but  he  wasn't  that  way.  His  was  always  a  very  gentle 
approach,  and  you  always  respected  him  for  that  because  you  knew 
he  was  truly  interested. 

Lage:  He   didn't  have  a  critical   approach.      It   seems  like  mere  of   a 

supportive — 

Whitfield:      It  was  always   supportive,    yes. 

Lage:  Would  he  ever  ask  questions   that  put  you  en  the   spot,    do  you 

recall? 

Whitfield:  Sometimes  things  that  he  would  bring  up  at  the  board  meetings 
and  ask  me  a  question  were  things  that  we  talked  about  in  the 
office. 

Lage:  That  he  felt  others  needed  to  hear? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 


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Transporting  Water   over  Altamont   Pass 


Lage: 


Whitfield; 


Lage: 


Whitfield; 


Lage: 

Whitfield! 

Lage: 

Whitfield: 

Lage: 

Whitfield; 


My  notes   show  here   that  in  '59   they  began  constructing  the  South 
Bay  Aqueduct.      You  have  told  me  that  initially  the  water  was 
going  to  be   transported  through  a  tunnel  and  that  your   district 
suggested  a    change   from    that  plan. 

Yes.      Well,    back  in  the   planning  stages   of   the  South  Bay 
Aqueduct,    the  plans   called  for  boring  a   tunnel    through  Brushy 
Peak,   which  is  in  the  Altamont  Pass  area.      We  were  talking  about 
some  way   of   getting  something  to  us  faster  than  anticipated 
because  of  the  lowering  of   the  water  table.      We  asked  Harvey 
Banks   if   he  would  prepare  a  preliminary  design  of   a  pipeline 
coming  up  over  the  hill  to  bring  water  down  into  the  Livermore 
Valley   and  let  it  run  down  the  stream.      So  he  said  he  would. 

Then  when  they   got  into   that,    that's  when  the   state 
Department  of  Water  Resources  concluded  that  it  was  more 
feasible,   economical,   from   the  power   standpoint  and  all   that,   to 
run   the   thing  over   the  hill   than  to  build  the  tunnel. 


So  water  would  be  pumped  up  the  hill? 
natural   steam  bed  near  Altamont  Pass? 


Then  did  it   go  into  a 


Yes.      In  '62,   when  we  first   got  the  water,    it   came   over  the  hill 
and  into  the  channel   alongside   the  Altamont   Pass  highway.     That 
channel   normally   takes   care   of   the  runoff  from   those  hills. 
It's  about   twenty   miles  from   there  down  to  Fremont.      So  the 
water  meandered  down  this   channel — 

Just  through  a  natural   system. 

It   came   down  the  Niles   Canyon. 

All   the  way   here  without   stopping  at  Del  Valle? 

Yes,    because   the  Del  Valle  wasn't  finished  yet. 

Now    is  that  still  used  or  did  they   change   that  after  Del  Valle 
was   built? 

Yes.      We  were  taking  our  water  at  the  turnout  at  the  base  of   the 
Altamont   Pass.      They  just   shut   that  off.      Then,    when  the 
aqueduct   came  further  south  and  came  down — you  know  where  the 
Vallecitos   Pass  road  is?      Well,    it's   up  in  the  hills  on  the 
other  side  here.      You  know,    the  Vallecitos  is  the  backroad  that 
goes  te  Livermore  from   this  area.      You've  heard  of  where   PG&E 
built  the  nucleonics   plant   up  there? 


Lage: 


No. 


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Whitfield:     Well,    it's  right  in  that   general  area  up  there.      So  we  decided 
for  percolation  purposes  rather  than  pay   for  more  aqueduct  to 
bring  it  down,    to  take  our  water  at  the  Vallecitos  turnout. 
That's  where  we've  been  getting  the  percolation  water  ever 
since.     But  that  happened  a  couple  of  years  after  we  first  took 
water  from   the  Altamont  turnout.      I  think  we  ran  it  down  through 
the  Livermore  Valley  maybe   three   or  four  years. 

Lage:  It   sounds  like   a  very   good  emergency   procedure,    simple. 

Whitfield:     Yes.     Well,   it  was  the  only  way  we  could  get  it. 
Lage:  When  did  you  actually   get  the  state  water? 

Whitfield:     We  got  it  in  '62.      We  were   the  first  ones  to   get  water  from   the 
state  plan. 


Changing  an  Unreasonable  State  Contract 


Lage:  You  mentioned  to  me  that  the  district  shaped  the  way   contracts 

with  the  Department  of  Water  Resources  were  written.     Tell  me 
about  that. 

Whitfield:     That  was  after  Harvey   was   gone   and  Bill  Warne  was  in  charge. 
There  are   several   contractors  with  the   state  for   state  water. 
Each   contract  with  the  various  water  districts  was  the  same — 
they  wanted  them  all  uniform   so  they  wouldn't  have  to  interpret 
different  things — and  each   contract  had  what  is   called  a  Table  A 
in  it.      This  specifies  for  the  next   so  many  years  how   much  water 
you're  going  to  take.      So  you  start  out  with  a  lower  amount,    so 
many  acre-feet  for   the  first  year,  and  you  keep  increasing  it 
based  upon  what  you  think  your   needs  are  going  to  be  over  the 
next   fifty   years. 

Since  we  were  primarily   going  to  be   using  ours  for  ground 
water  recharge,   and  with  the   uncertainty   of  weather   conditions, 
we  were   concerned  about   the  inflexibility.     You  had  to  take   as 
much  water  as  you  had  in  your  Table  A  for   that   specific  year. 
The  way   the  contract  was  written,    and  everybody  else  had  signed 
it  except  us,   you  had  to  pay  for  your  water  in  that  year.      If 
you  didn't   take    it.    then  you  could  have   the  opportunity   of 
taking  it  just   the   next  year,    but   not    beyond   that. 

Lage:  So  if  you  had  wet  weather  for  a  few   years,    as  you  usually  do. 

kind  of   in  a   cycle — 


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Whitfield: 

Lage: 

Whitfield: 

Lage: 

Whitfield: 
Lage: 

Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield; 

Lage: 
Whitfield; 


We'd  lose  the  money   all    the   time.   yes.      So  we  held  out.      We 
wouldn't  sign  the  contract   until   they   changed  it. 

Now,   how   did  those   negotiations  work  out? 
Well,    Mr.    Warne   didn't  like   it  too  well. 

Did  you  deal  with  him  directly  or  with  an  attorney  for  the 
district? 


No,    the  attorney   and  I   convinced  him. 
all   the    state    contracts  have    changed. 


Now    1  understand  that 


That's   interesting.      Why   do  you  suppose   the  other  districts 
didn't  try  for   the   same   thing  that  you  did?     Was  it  not  as 
important  to  them? 

Let's   see,    Santa  CLara  County   uses   ground  water  percolation  and 
southern   California   does.      I   don't  know   why    they    didn't.      Maybe 
they   didn't   see  it  as  a   critical   item   as  we  did  because  we 
weren't  a  very   rich  district   down  here.      We  just    couldn't    see 
ourselves  having  to  pay   for  water  for  an  illogical   reason. 

Now,    would  this  have  been  something  that  you  and  the   staff  would 
have  noticed  and  pushed,    or  someone   on  the  board? 

No,   we   did.     We   did  all   the   negotiating  on  the    contract.      We 
kept  the  board  apprised  of  where  we  were  and  what  our  problems 
were. 

They  were  supportive  of   that,    I'm  sure. 
Oh,   yes. 


Fighting  Saltwater   Intrusion  in  the  Ground  Water  Basin 


Lage:  This   discussion  of   state  water  leads  into  a  longer  discussion  of 

the   saltwater  intrusion   problem.      You've   given  us   some 
background  on  that  problem   over  the  years. 

Whitfield:      The   saltwater  intrusion,   as   I  remember,    started  about  in  1920. 
That  was  before  centrifugal   pumps  came  in.      The  water  was 
primarily  used  for  agriculture.     As  time  went  on,    the  water 
tables   started  to  go   down.     You  could  only  pump  a   certain  height 
with  the  pumps   they  had.      Then  they   developed  the   centrifugal 
pumps,    so   then  they   pumped  down  deeper. 


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Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Lage: 


I've  also  read  that   they   changed   to   different    crops   that 
required  mere  water. 

Yes.    right.      More  irrigation,    yes.      I  think  in  the  early  days 

there  was  more  dry  farming,   you  know,  wheat  or  barley  and  that 

type   of   stuff.      Then  they   went  to  row  crops,    like   peas  and  corn 
and   cauliflower. 

And  lettuce.      That  takes  more  water. 

But   then,   as   I   say,    the   only   things   that  were   done  to  help 
alleviate  the  problem  was  to  buy  the  Alvarado  plant,    which 
eliminated  Oakland's  prescriptive  right  to  pump  eight  million 
gallons  of  water  a  day   out   of   the  ground  water  basin.      Of 
course,    that  was  1930,  way  before  my   time. 

Then  the  next   thing  was   getting  the  advance   releases  in  the 
thirties,    getting  it  from  San  Francisco  to  put  in  the  Western 
Pacific  pit.      I   thought  maybe  you  would  be   specifically 
interested  in  the  fact  that  that   pit  was   the  first  quarry  dug 
out  here,   by   Western  Pacific  for   the  roadbase  for  putting  the 
railroad  tracks   through  here. 

Did  that  mean  the  pit  was  dug  down  into  the  water  level. 

Yes.      Well,    if   the  water  level  was  down  it  may  have   been  below 
the  pit.      It  wasn't  a   deep  pit;   it  must  have  been  about   two-   or 
three- thousand  feet  long  and  about   seven  hundred  feet  wide  or 
something  like   that.      It  was  just  a  V   dug  down.      All   that 
Western  Pacific  did  was  just  dig  enough   gravel   for   their   own 
purposes.      Then  the  Shinn  Pit  was  dug.      The  Shinn  Pit  was  the 
first   commercial   gravel   pit  operator.      Then  the   Ford  and  Bunting 
pits  on  this   side  were  done   about   the  same  time. 

Also  for  a   commercial  purpose? 


Whitfield:     Yes. 


Were  the  quarries  out   of  business  when  you  took  over  the  pits? 


Whitfield:     Well,    the  Shinn  Pit   belonged  to  the  Shinn  family.      Mr.    Shinn  had 
been   on  the  board. 

Lage:  He  was  the  first   president,    I  think? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      They   had  signed  an  agreement   that   the  district   could  use 
that   pit.      It  was   a  fifteen-year  agreement  for,    I   think  it  was, 
seven  hundred  dollars  a  year  or   something  like   that.     Then  we 
had  an  agreement  about  the  Western  Pacific  and   that  expired,    but 
they    let   us   use   it  for   several   years  afterwards. 


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Lage:  Now,   was  there  a  feeling  among  some   people   that  you  couldn't 

really   control   where  that  water  was  going  to  go,    that  some  of   it 
would  waste  to  the  bay?      When  you  recharged  the   ground  water, 
how   did  you  know    it  was  going  to  stay   in  the  aquifers? 

Whitfield:      That  was  quite   a  question  in  a  lot  of   peoples'   minds. 

Lage:  Was  it  among  the  engineers?     Were  knowledgeable  people 

questioning  that  or  just — ? 

Whitfield:     No. 

Lage:  How   did  you  know   it  wouldn't  just   drift  out  to  the  bay? 

Whitfield:     Well,    by  studying  the  ground  water  geology,    the   ground  water 
basin  geology.      We  had  a   couple  of   studies  made   there.      There 
may  be — in  fact,    there  was  some   contention  that  one   of   the 
aquifers  went   clear  across  to  the  peninsula.     But   there  was 
nobody  pumping  over   there  at   the   time. 

Lage:  It's  an  interesting  geological   feature. 

Whitfield:      Yes.     One  of  the  problems  with  the   ground  water  issue  was  that 
there  were  not  too  many   people,    even  engineers,    that  understood 
much  about  it.      Engineers   understand  surface   distribution 
systems,    reservoirs  and  all   that,   but  you  have  to  have  some 
knowledge  of   geology  too.      I  learned  all   I  knew  about  it  from 
coming  with   the  water  district. 

Lage:  The  geologist  may  be  the  one  who   can  tell  you  what  you  need  to 

know. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      The  only  time  I  knew   anything  different  was  when  my   father 
drilled  a  well  about  two  thousand  feet   up  here  in  the   prune 
orchard,    dug  down  and  got  water.     You  know    the  interesting  part 
of  that?      My  father  believed  in  the   old  weegie   stick.      The  well 
driller  wanted  to  drill   it  down  by   the  creek.      I  think  they   did 
drill,   and  they   got  nothing,    so  my  father  told  him,    "You  go   up 
in   the   corner."     And  he   got  water. 

Lage:  And  did  your  father   use   the  weegie   stick? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

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Lage:  Do  you  know   anyone  else  who's  done   that? 

Whitfield:  I've   tried  it. 

Lage:  Does  it  work? 

Whitfield:  I   don't  know.      I  never  drilled  a  well   to  see.       [laughing] 


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Lage: 
Whitfield: 


Lage: 

Whitfield: 

Lage: 

Whitfield: 
Lage: 

Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 


But  have  you  ever  felt   the  tug  of  it  or  had  an  experience  with 
it? 

Oh.   yes.      The  interesting  thing  about   this  well   that  my   dad 
drilled  was   that   they  hit  a  pocket   of   natural   gas   down  there. 
Every   irrigating  season  when  they    first   started  the  pump  up.    you 
could  put  a  match — you  know,    the  bottom   part  would  be  water  and 
the  top  part  would  be   natural   gas — and  it  would  burn  for  three 
or  four  days. 

Goodness!      It   sounds  like   it   could  be   dangerous. 
Well,   it  wasn't   that  high  an  explosive. 

It   seems  that  with  ground  water  recharging  you  had  a  public 
relations  problem  in  explaining  te  people  how  you  can  let  water 
seep   into   the   ground  and  be   sure  that  you're  going  to  have  it  to 
pump  out. 

Yes. 

I  want  to  ask  you  about  the  California  State  Department  of  Water 
Resources  Bulletin  81   issued  in  1960.      How   did  that   come  about, 
and  did  it  have  an  influence? 

This  area  is  one   of   the   classic  examples  in  the   state   of   salt 
water  intrusion  and  depletion  of    the  water  basin.      The  state  was 
interested  in  it,  and  they  were   studying  this  area  for  a  long 
time,    the  geology   and  all   that.      Their  studies  were  one  reason 
we  knew   that  we  wouldn't  lose  much  water  through  the   percolation 
pits.      They   culminated  their  study   with  Bulletin  81.   which 
covered  all  the  ground  water  problems,   how  much  water  was 
available   and  that   type    of    thing. 

So  was  that  a   useful   thing  for   decision  making? 
Oh.    sure. 


The  Aquifer  Reclamation  Program,    1974 


Lage:  I  have  a  date  of   1974 — is  that  accurate? — when  you  started  the 

aquifer  reclamation  program? 

Whitfield:      Yes. 

Lage:  Why   don't  we  talk  about   that? 


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Whitfield:     Well,    subsequent  to  getting  state  water  in  and  bringing  the 

water   table  up  to  sea  level,    we  started  the  aquifer  reclamation 
project. 

We  went  down  along  the  extremities  of   the  district  towards 
the  bay  and  drilled  wells  to  start  pumping  out  the   salt  water 
that  was  in  the  upper  strata  where  it  had  to  be  pumped  out  and 
discharged   back  into   the   bay. 


Lage: 


Through   channels,    surface   channels,    or  pipes? 


Whitfield:      Through   channels,    flood   control    channels.      I    don't   think   they 
had  to  lay   much   pipe,    but   there  were  drainage   ditches. 

Lage:  So  they'd  actually  pump  out  the   upper — 

Whitfield:     They   pump  salt  water   out  and  dump  it  back  into  the  bay.      The 

point  is,    then,    to  bring  the  water  level   up  in  the  forebay  area. 
The  forebay   is  the  main  part  of   the  gravel  where  most  of   the 
gravels  are   contiguous.      By  bringing  south  bay   aqueduct  water 
in,    we  brought  the  level   up,    but  to  keep  the  salt  water  from 
coming  back  in  again,    you've   got  to  keep  pumping,    and  you've    get 
to  keep  recharging  what  you  pump  out.       [See  diagram,   page  82.] 

Lage:  Because  otherwise  water  would  be  sucked  in  from  the  bay? 

Whitfield:  It  would  suck  it  back  in  from   the  bay,   yes. 

Lage:  Was   there  any   construction   done? 

Whitfield:  No,    no  barriers,    no. 

Lage:  Was   that  ever  a  plan,    to  build  some   barriers? 

Whitfield:     No.      It  was  thought  of  but  just   disregarded  as  being 
impractical. 

Lage:  Salt  water  was  pumped  out,    and  then  was  the  south  bay  aqueduct 

just  allowed  to   percolate  in,   or   did  you  have  to  force  it  into 
these  wells? 

Whitfield:     Well,    they   put   in  injection  wells  now.      That's  another  stage. 
That's   what   they're    doing  now. 

Lage:  I   see.      Has  that  been  successful? 

Whitfield:      Yes,    I  think  it  has.     Of  course,    I've  been  out  of  it  for  eight 
years.       It's   doing  its  job.      Incidentally,    I  saw    in  that  local 
paper  that  comes  out  from  the  San  Jose  Mercury — did  you  see   that 
article  about  Ardenwood  Park? 


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Lage: 


No. 


Whitfield:     They're  having  a   problem  with  salt  water  in  the  ground  down 
there.      Some   of   the   trees  are   dying  and  they're  wondering 
whether   they   can  keep  the  farm  going  because  the  salt  water  and 
boron  is   getting  down  in   there. 

Lage:  I  thought  that   this   salt  water  plan  was  working. 

Whitfield:     Well,    it  isn't  absolutely   perfect.      There  are    certain  spots 
where   there  are  problems. 

Lage:  It   sounds  like  it's  a    difficult   problem   to   solve. 


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VI      THE    PUMP  TAX:      CONTROVERSY  WITH  DISTRICT   FARMERS 


Enabl ing  Legi si atien  and  Rationale  for   the  Pump  Tax 


Lage:  The  other  issue   that   came  up  with  the  state  water  that  sounded 

like  a  very  interesting  controversy  was   the  issue   of  who  pays 
for   the   state  water — the  pump  tax  or  replenishment  assessment. 

Whitfield:      That  was  very   controversial. 

Lage:  First  of   all,   it  seems,    there  was  enabling  legislation  at  the 

state  level   in  1961. 

Whitfield:     That's  what  gave  us  the  ability   to  even  impose  a  pump  tax. 
Lage:  Was   that   particularly   designed  for   this   district? 

Whitfield:     Well,    it's  applicable  to  the  Alameda   County   Water  District.      But 
for  southern   California   there  is   the   same  kind   of  legislation. 
They   have  the  ability   to  do   that.      I  think  when  our  attorney 
drafted  the   thing  he   used  that  as  a   guide.      So   there  are   others, 
but   it  has   to  be   passed  by   the  legislature  for   specific  areas. 


Lage : 


Who  was  your  attorney  at  that   time? 


Whitfield:     Morris  Hyman. 

Lage:  So  you  developed  the  idea  that  this  was   going  to  be  a  necessary 

way  to   pay  for   the  water? 

Whitfield:     Because   there  were  predominantly  farmers  on  the  board,    they 
weren't  very  enthusiastic  about  a  pump   charge.      You  see,    the 
claim  as  the  area  grew  was  that  it  was  the  municipal  water  users 
that  were   causing  the   problem:      they're   using  all   the  water.      In 
reality,    the  farmers  back  in  the  beginning,    they   were  the  only 
ones  who  pumped  it  out.     They  pumped  for  years  and  years,  and  it 
lowered  the  water   table. 


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Lage:  And   the   city   also  pumps? 

Whitf  ield:     Yes,    the  city   pumps  now   but   net  very   much.      They've  only  got  a 
well   over  at   the  lagoon  and  the  lake   over   there.      But.    in  the 
early  days,    the  farmers  were  pumping  up  predominantly  the 
largest  quantities   of  water. 

Lage:  And  not  paying  anything,    except  the  price   of   their  wells? 

Whitf  ield:     No,    the  only   thing  they're   paying  was   the  ad  valorem   tax  because 
there's   an  ad  valorem    tax  for   the  conservation  aspect  of   the 
water   district.      But  everybody  in  the    district    pays    that. 

if 


Lage:  So  you  had  the  ad  valorem    tax,   which   everybody   paid,    and  that 

was  for  conservation? 

Whitf  ield:      It  went  way  back  when,    yes. 

Lage:  Then  you  had  the   charge  for  water   used  by  surface   distribution. 

Whitf  ield:      Yes,    but   that's — see.    the  water  district  has  really   three 

divisions:     water  importation;  water  conservation,    percolation, 
recharge;   and  water  distribution.      Now   the  predominant  pumper  is 
the  water  district  because  as  we  have  grown  we  are  pumping  more 
water  from    the  ground  water  basin  for  municipal  distribution. 
So  the  water  district  is   the   predominant  pumper  of  water. 

Lage:  For   surface   distribution? 

Whitf  ield:      Yes.      Well,  we're   getting  ahead  of  ourselves. 

Lage:  Yes,    let's   start  at  the  beginning. 

Whitf  ield:      The  only  reason  that  there  were  attempts  to   convince   the  board 
that   the   pump  tax  is  a  logical    thing  is  that   there's  no 
relationship  between  an  ad  valorem   tax  on  assessed  valuation  and 
water   consumption.      In  ether  words,    if  the  farmers  had 
relatively   cheap  land,    they're   paying  relatively    cheap  ad 
valorem   taxes  yet  they're  pumping  most  of   the  water. 

Lage:  Whereas  industry  might  have   a — 7 

Whitf  ield:     Well,     it's   still  not  just  because,    you  know,    it's  just  like   a 

service  station,   what  you  pay  for  is  what   the   pump   says  you  pay 
for.      You've   used  that  water.      Then  there  was  a   condition  in 
there  where  a  lot  of  a  given  size  with  a  well   on  it   paid  a  flat 
ten  dollars,    or   something  like   that. 


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Lage:  Now  was  this  after  you  passed  the  pump  tax? 

Whitfield:     No.    that  was  in  the  act   itself. 

Lage:  Oh,    I   see,   in  the  enabling  legislation. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      The  only   reason  they    finally  acquiesced  to  push   for   the 
legislation  was   that — let's   see.      Yes,    they  had — I'm   trying  to 
remember  the  sequence.      I  think  the  minimum   charge  was  ten 
dollars,   and  for  some  time  we  went  along  without  any  meters. 
They   had  to  fill  out  forms  estimating  what  they  used  and  that 
didn't  work  out   so  well.      Then  they  had  the  act  amended  again  so 
that — by   that  time  the  cities  were  incorporated — they  would 
limit  the  agricultural   cost  for  water  to  eight   dollars   per  acre 
foot. 

Lage:  Oh?     Now  who  amended  that  or  who  made   the  move  to  amend  it? 

Whitfield:      The   board  did.     The  only  way   to   get  agreement  on  the   board  to 

impose  the  pump  tax  was  by  limiting  the  amount  the  farmers  would 
pay.      Otherwise   the  farmers  were  fighting. 


Pump  Tax  Hearings :     Outraged  Reaction  from  Farmers 


Lage:  That's  what  it   sounds  like   from   the  minutes  of   these  two 

hearings.      You  had  a   tremendous  amount  of   public  reaction. 

Whitfield:     Oh,    yes.      All  of   the  farmers,    "We've  owned  this  land  all  our 

lives,    that's  our  water,    it's    under  our   property,"  and   all    that. 
Well,    they   are  entitled  to  a  certain  amount  of   that  water,    but 
you  know,    different  farmers  pump  for   different   crops.     As  an 
example,    somebody  has  two  hundred  acres  and  maybe   they   farm  one 
crop  a  year,   and  somebody  has  two  hundred  acres  and  maybe  they 
farm   six  or   seven  crops  a  year.      Well,    you're  going  to  have  six 
or  seven  times   the  amount  of  water   used. 

I  got  accused  of  being  on  both   sides.      Somebody   would  yell 
at  me  because   I  was  for  the  pump  tax.    and  some  would  yell, 
"You're  holding  it  back." 

Lage:  In  this  first  hearing,    several   people  called  you  on  the  report 

you'd  written  and  seemed  very  unhappy  with  your  report. 

Whitfield:     Oh,    I'm   sure  there  was   disagreement  on  the  quantities  of  water 
that   different  operations   use — agricultural,    industrial, 
municipal    and  all   that.      I  wasn't  very   popular. 


Lage: 


But  both  sides  were  after  you? 


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Whitfield:     Yes.    I  was  accused  of  being  on  both  sides. 
Lage:  Which  side  were  you  really  on? 

Whitfield:      I  was  on  the  pump  tax  side.   yes.      And.   you  know.    I'd  been  born 

and  raised  in  this  community,    and  my   mother  and  father  were,    and 
they  didn't  think  it  was  too  nice  for  a  local  boy  to  impose  a 
pump  tax  on  all   these   old  friendly  farmers.      But  farming  has 
always  been  subsidized  to  some  extent  by   the  federal   government 
or   something  like   that. 

Lage:  What  does  this   say   about   the  strength   of   the  farmers  in  the 

community  that  they  were  able  to  fend  off  the  pump  tax  for  quite 
a  while?  In  the  sixties.  I'm  surprised  they  still  had  that  much 
strength.  How  do  you  explain  that? 

Whitfield:     Well,    there  was   still   a  lot  of   farming  going  on. 
Lage:  Were  they   people  with  a  let  of  political   ties? 

Whitfield:     They're  just   farmers.      Oh,    I'm  sure  they   had  political    ties  with 
local   politicians,   yes. 

Lage:  Now   what  about  your  board  members?     Let's  see  who  I  have  here  at 

that   time? 

Whitfield:     You've  got  Amaral — 

Lage:  But   the   president  was  Humpert — this  is  in   '64. 

Whitfield:     Bill  Humpert.      He  was  an  insurance   agent.      He   used  to  be   a  game 
warden  and   then  an  insurance  agent.      He  was  from   Irvingtoru 

Lage:  Did  he  have   sympathies  with   the  farmers? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  Then  we  have  Tony  Alameda.     Tell   me  about  Alameda. 

Whitfield:      Of  course,   he  worked  for  L.S.    Williams,    who  was   the   second 

largest   farmer   and  he  had  a   packing  shed  here  in  Centerville. 
Tony   ran  his  operations,   hiring  the   Mexicans  to   pick  and  harvest 
the  crops  and  all   that  kind  of   stuff.      Of   course,    he  was  against 
the   pump   tax. 

Lage:  Yes.     I   could  see   that.      Then  there  was  Bernardo. 

Whitfield:     Bernardo.      Well,   you  know,    most  of   the  farmers  around  here  were 
old-time  friends  of    his.      He   used  to  be   the  constable  of   our 
area  for  years.     He  had  twelve-acre   orchard  of  apricots   down  on 
Baine  Avenue. 


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Lage: 


Whitfield: 
Lage : 

Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 


It's  hard  for  me  to  remember  exactly  who  took  the  strongest 
position,   but  I   know   Alameda  was  against  it. 

Then  also  at  that  time  Borghi  and  Redeker  were  on  the  board. 
They  voted  for  the  pump  tax,    it   seems.      My  notes   show    that  on 
May  12th,    1964,   Alameda  and  Hum  pert  opposed  the  tax — this  was 
after   the   two  hearings — Borghi  and  Redeker  favored  the  tax,  and 
Bernardo  was   absent. 

Yes,     [laughs]    that  was   convenient.      So  they   couldn't  impose  it. 


Right,    because   they   didn't  have  enough  votes  to  impose  it. 
was  the  pump  tax  finally  imposed?      Net  until  '70? 


When 


Yes.      We  had  a  number  of  public  hearings.      For  a  while  we   didn't 
even  have  public  hearings,    I  don't  think,    but  the  way   the 
legislation  was  written,    every  year  by  a   given   date   the  board 
had  to  order   that  a   survey,    a  report,    be   prepared  shewing  the 
water   sources,   water  levels,   etc.,    if   the  board  wanted   to 
consider  imposing  a   pump  tax  for   that  year. 

Then  you'd  have  a  public  hearing  en   the  report.      Half   of 
the  people  that  spoke  at  the  hearing  probably  had  not  read  the 
report.      They  just  wanted  to  holler  and  convince   the  board  that 
it's   unjust  and  all   that  stuff.      Then  when  the  community   grew 
and  more   people  kept  moving  in,    there  was   considerable   change. 
The  farmers  all   alleged  that  they   didn't  cause   the  problem:    it 
was  the  industry  and  pumping  water  for  all   the  new  houses.      But, 
in  those   earlier   days,    that  wasn't   true. 

The   pumping  wasn't  really  for   the  new  houses? 

The  farmers  were  still  pumping  a  substantial   amount  of  water, 
yes.      But   the    proportions    changed  over   the  years.      Now,    I'd 
probably   guess  about   seventy-five  percent  of   the  water  is  pumped 
by   the  water   district  for  municipal   distribution. 


A  Shifting  Balance   of   Community   Power;      Pump  Tax  Passed,    1970 


Lage:  So.    by  1970,   you  think  the  change   in  the  community,    the  balance 

of   power,    say,   made  the   difference? 

Whitfield:      Right. 

Lage:  It  would  seem    that  the  1964  vote  against  the  pump  tax  was  the 

most   controversial   decision,    wasn't  it? 


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Whitfield:      Yes. 

Lage  :  Was  there  any   move   electorally  to  replace  the  board  with  those 

more  sympathetic  to  the  pump  tax? 

Whitfield:      I   don't  think  so. 

Lage:  Just   kind  of  a  natural   evolution? 

Whitfield:     This   board   that's   in  there   now,    they've   been  in  since,    oh, 
sometime  in  the   sixties. 

Lage:  Oh,    really?      You  mean,    there's  that  much   continuity   on  the 

board? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Oh,    except  the  one   that's  relatively  new    en  there  now    is 
Carl  Strandberg.      He's  an  ecologist.      He   got  on  as   a  water 
conservationist   and   ecologist. 

Lage:  Does  he  have  training  in  ecology? 

Whitfield:     He's  taken  some   courses,    and  he  says  that  he  writes   some  of 
these  books.      He   knows  many   people  in  that  field. 

Lage:  Again,    we're   a  little   off   the  subject,    but   I   think  it's 

interesting  because   I  wanted  to  talk  about  environmentalists  and 
how    they   related  to  the  district,    which  happens  probably  more  in 
the   seventies.      Does  he  have  a   particular  point  of  view  about 
the  water  conservation  program  here? 

Whitfield:  Oh.   yes.   he's   all  for  it  and  supports  it  very  much. 

Lage:  Does  he  have  any   policy   ideas  that  you  would  object   to? 

Whitfield:  No. 

Lage:  What  types  of   things   does  he  propose? 

Whitfield:  Well,  just   somewhat  far-out   things. 

Lage:  How   does  he  get  elected? 

Whitfield:     He's  a   conservationist,    he's   an  ecologist   and  environmentalist, 
and  he  writes    books. 

Lage:  I   imagine   incumbents  tend  to  get  elected  in  a  district  like 

this.      It's   probably   not   a  hot   issue,    who's   running  for   the 
water  board,    would  you  say? 

Whitfield:     No. 


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Lage:  Has  it  ever  been?      Do  you  remember  any   controversial   elections? 

Whitf ield:      It  never — no.      I  think  maybe  when  John  Pihl    ran  for   the  board 

everybody  was   concerned  that  he  was   going  to  raise  hell   because 
of    the   flood.       I   think  I've  mentioned  to  you  before  that   I've 
seen  people   come  on  the  board  of   directors  who  were  against 
rehabilitation   of   the  ground  water  basin,    and  they're  not  on 
the  board  very  long  before   they're  a   staunch  supporter   of   it. 

Lage:  [laughs]      Once   they  become  educated. 

Whitf  ield:      So,   you  see,    in  the  last  ten  years  policy  has   been  pretty  well 
carved  in   granite.      There's  not  much  you  can  de  about   changing 
it.      We've   got   so  much  invested  in  the   ground  water  basin  it 
would  be   crazy  to  try   to  abandon  it  now.      It  would  be   the  wrong 
thing  to  do  because  we're   saving — just  from  local   runoff  we   get 
maybe   about   twenty-five  thousand  acre-feet  a  year  on  the 
average.      One  year  will   be  less,    another   greater. 

For   the  distribution  system,    we've  still   got  Resolution  81 
that  sets  forth  how    the   developers   pay  for  storage  and  all   this 
stuff.      There  doesn't  seem   to  be   any   criticism   of   that  anymore, 
except — the  only  problem  I  used  to  have  was  the  little 
developer.     He'd  say,  "Oh,  that's  all  right  for  the  big 
developer,    they   can  afford  it,"     I'd  say,    "Well,     that's   the 
policy    whether  you're  big  or   small." 

Lage:  Was  it  a  lot  harder  for  the   small  one  to  afford  it,    then? 

Whitf  ield:     Well,    sometimes,    yes. 


Lage: 


Did  you  have   dealings  with  Jack  Brooks? 


Whitf  ield:     Oh,   yes.      I  had  many   dealings  with  him,   yes. 
Lage:  Did  he   understand  your  needs? 

Whitf  ield:     Yes.      He  was   one   of   the  biggest   developers  around  here.      He'd 
come  in  and  negotiate  with  me  sometimes  and  then  later  on  as 
they    got  bigger,    he'd  send  other  people.      He  was  a  very 
cooperative  person.     He  just  would  come  in  and  say,    "Well,    what 
are  we   stuck  with   now?"     "Resolution  81."      [laughter] 

Lage:  So  maybe  it  was  easier  to  deal  with  the  larger  developers. 

Whitfield:  Yes,  excepting  Conway  and  Culligan.  They  were  large  developers, 
but  they  just  thought  they  were  going  to  come  over  here  to  their 
country  cousins  and  push  them  around. 


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Water  Pump  Meters 


Lage :  Interesting.     Anything  else   about   that  pump  tax  that  we   should 

talk  about,   any  other — ? 

Whitfield:     One   of    the  big  flaps  was  over   the  flat  charge   the  board  had 

imposed  on  small  lots.      The  little   guys  would  complain  about  it. 
so   the  beard  just  eliminated  that  charge. 

Lage:  And  eventually   they  went  to  meters  to  actually  measure   the  water 

usage? 

Whitfield:     Oh,    yes.      Then  they   cried  about  having  to  supply  their  own 

meters.      That  was  another  one   of   the   stalls   because,   you  know, 
they   were  not  too  cheap.      The  board  finally  decided,    well,    we'll 
pay  for   the  meters  and  put   them   on.      Yes,    so   that  was  another 
sticky    wicket. 

Lage:  That  was  later,    after  '70? 

Whitfield:     Before  they   put   in  the  meters.      They   first  imposed  the  pump  tax 
without  meters.      There  were  some  weasel  words  in  the  legislation 
that   they   could  see  a  way   to  avoid  putting  in  the  meters. 
Temporarily  you  could,    for  certain  reasons,    delay   the   time  when 
they    went   on. 

Lage:  And  then  you  went  on  the  farmer's  estimate  of   how   much  water  he 

used? 

Whitfield:     On  the  estimate,    yes.      We  used  to  get  into  arguments  with  them 
because  they  had  to  give  an  estimate   of  what  they  were   going  to 
use   and  then  a  final ization  of  what  they   did  use.      And  they 
didn1 t — 

Lage:  It  was  way  off-base? 

Whitfield:  Yes.  You  know,  we  had  charts  showing  how  much  water  peas  would 
take  for  an  acre,  corn  would  take,  potatoes  and  all  that  stuff, 
and  they  argued  over  it.  They  very  seldom  would  agree  with  the 
figures  we  used. 

Lage:  Did  this   cause  you  any   trouble,    personally,    I  mean,    or   trouble 

between  the  board  and  the   staff,    since   the   staff   seemed  to  be  in 
favor  of    the  pump  tax  and  even  had  gone   so  far  as  to  urge   the 
board  to   get  enabling  legislation   passed?      It's  kind  of  an 
interesting  situation. 

Whitfield:     Well,   let  me   say   this.      We  knew    that  ultimately   it  had  to  go  in. 
We  knew   it  had  to  go  in.      It  was  just  when  it  would  be 
politically   astute.       So  we  never  pushed  it   that  hard.      In  fact. 


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Whitfield:     in  talking  about  it.    I   don't   think  we   got  in  any  arguments  with 
the  board.      We'd  just   talk  about  it  outside   and  that  type   of 
thing. 

Lage:  You  just  kind  of  waited  for  them  to  come  around? 

Whitfield:      Yes. 


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VII      PROTECTING    THE  GROUND  WATER  BASIN 


Standards  for  Well  Abandonment.    Well  Drilling,    and  Drainage  Wells 


Whitf ield:     Another   thing  we  did  do   to  help  stem   off  the  salt  water 
intrusion  was  to  deal  with  abandoned  wells.      There  were 
abandoned  wells  that  could  deteriorate  and  the  casing  could  rot 
and  let  the  salt  water   come   down  from   one   aquifer  to   the  other. 
So  we  get  together  with   the  cities  because  they  have  the  power 
to  pass  an  ordinance  for  well  abandonment  and  well-drilling 
standards  and  all   that.      We  wrote  the  standards,    and  then  we 
agreed  to  issue   the   permits  and  inspect  them.      There's   a  fee  for 
that  that  the  well   driller  has  to  pay.    or  the  property  owner 
that's   filling   the   well. 

Lage:  So  you  would  inspect  well   drilling? 

Whitf  ield:      Yes.   and  well   abandonment.     But   the   city  had  the  enforcement 
powers. 

Lage:  How   did  you  deal  with  abandoned  wells? 

Whitf  ield:     We  would  find  the  log  of  the   old  well.      The   cities  made  it  a 

condition  of    their  building  permits  that  if   there  was  a  well  on 
the  piece  of   property  they  had  to  agree  to  abandon  the  well  in 
accordance  with   the  specifications.      What   they   did  was — see, 
here's   the   ground  level  here.      We  were  fortunate  in  that  we   got 
copies  of   all   the  old  well  logs  from   one  of   the  old  well 
drillers   that   drilled  most   the  wells  around  here. 

They    go    down  and   clean  the  old  well   out   if   it's   dirty. 
Then  they   go  down  and  they  know   where   the   gravels  are  in  the 
stratas.    and  they   go   down  with  a   tool   and  slit  the  casings;   then 
they  pack  the  well  with  cement,    so  that   salt  water   could  not 
leak  down  around  the  cement   plug  and  couldn't   get  into  the  lower 
aquifers. 

Lage:  That  must  have  been  an  expensive   process. 


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Whitfield:  Yes.  The  developers  had  to  do  it.  In  the  old  days,  when  they 
had  the  Oakland  wells  down  there  in  Alvarado,  there  were  a  lot 
of  wells  that  we  went  in  and  plugged  ourselves. 

Lage:  So   that  was  a  known  technique   to  plug  the  wells  so  they  wouldn't 

pollute    the   aquifers. 


Whitfield:      Yes. 

Lage:  Something  I  wanted  to  ask  you,    going  back  to  the  fifties,    was 

about  the   problem   of   drain  wells. 

Whitfield:     Oh,    yes.      We  had  no  street  drainage   systems  in  our  towns,    so 

when  development  started — we  should  have  fought  it  more  than  we 
did,   but   I  think  it  was  a   political    thing  because   the  develop 
ment  couldn't  start  without   drainage — the   county  let  them  put  in 
drainage  wells  in  certain  locations  to  drain  the  water  off  the 
streets. 

Lage:  Down  into  the  ground  water? 

Whitfield:  Into  the  first  aquifer  of  the  ground  water.  The  concern  there 
was  that  the  contamination  from  the  streets  could  get  into  the 
ground  water  basin.  Those  wells  have  been  all  plugged  up  now. 

Lage:  That  was   something  that  you  were  against,    but  sort  of   allowed  to 

happen  to  a   degree? 

Whitfield:  The  beard  should  have  taken  a  more  firm  position  about  it,  but 
it  was  the  beginning  of  development  out  here. 

Lage:  What  was  the  alternative?      Well,    the  flood  control  district 

would  have  been  the   alternative. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    but  they   didn't  have  it  yet. 

Lage:  But  is  that  how   the  drainage  problem  was  solved,    by   getting 

flood  control   here? 

Whitfield:  Yes,  when  they  created  zones  for  the  different  areas  out  here, 
for  flood  control  only  and  drainage  and  that  type  of  thing. 


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Addendum   on  Saltwater  Intrusion  and  the  Aquifer  Reclamation 

Program 

[Begin  Interview  3:     June  26.   1987]  ft 


Lage:  Today's  June  26th,    1986,    and  it's  our   third  and  final   interview 

with  Matt  W bitfield.      You  had  given  me  an  article  last  week 
about   saltwater  intrusion  at   the   Patterson  Ranch,      Before   the 
tape   came  on  today,    you  and  I   talked  a  little  bit  about  what 
might  be   done  to  solve   this   problem.      I  want  you  to   sort   of 
clear  up  the  process  of   how    saltwater  intrusion  is  prevented. 

Whitfield:     Yes.     The  water  district  first  started  getting  releases  of  water 
in  the  Alameda   Creek  which  is  the  main  contributor  recharging 
the   ground  water  basin.      That's   all    through   the   Miles, 
Centerville,    and  Alvarado  areas.      That's  where  originally  nature 
recharged  the  ground  water  basin  from   the  local  watershed. 

Lage:  Just  percolating  down  through  the  creek  bed? 

Whitfield:      Through  the   creek  bed,   and  that  was   the  natural   phenomenon  that 
occurred.      Then  people  pumped  the  water  out  and  the  level  went 
down.      That's  how   from  excess  pumping  years   back,    the   salt  water 
from    the  bay   started  coming  in  to  the  upper  strata,    which  is 
about  a  hundred  feet  below    the   ground  surface.      Then  it   came  up 
into  what   they   all   the  forebay.    which  is  the  recharge  area  all 
along  Alameda   Creek.     As  pumping  continued  and  they   got 
centrifugal   pumps  and  pumped  from   the  deeper  second  strata,    then 
the   salt  water  came  from  the  bay  up  over   the  lip  and   came  in  the 
forebay  area  and  went  back  into  the  lower  strata. 

The  recharge  is  accomplished  by  taking  water  from   the 
Alameda   Creek,    either  natural   runoff  or  imported  water  from   the 
South  Bay  Aqueduct,   and  pumping  it   through   the  levees   into   the 
pits.      The  pits  are  big  lakes,    maybe   twenty   or   thirty   or  forty 
acres,   and  then  that  water   percolates.      The  water  surface   that 
is   seen  in  the  pits  is  the  natural   water   table  in  the  ground 
water   basin. 

Lage:  So  the  water  just   sinks   down  through   the  gravel    in  the  pits. 

Whitfield:      The   gravel   in  the   stratas.      In  what  we   call   the  forebay  area 
along  the   creek,     that's  where   all   the  gravels  are  contiguous. 
Then  they  stratify  out  from   that  area  in  the   ground  water  at 
different  levels  of   gravel — which  are  separated  by   impervious 
aquifers,    or  layers   of    clay — but  it's   all   recharged  from   up  here 
along   the    creek. 


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Lage : 


Whitfield: 


I  think  we'll  include  with   this  interview  a   diagram,    such  as 
this.      [See  diagram   page  82.]      That  will  explain  this  more 
clearly. 

Tell   me  more  about   the  aquifer  reclamation  project  in  1974. 
What  did  that   do? 

Well,    we  had  some  studies  made  and  we   [laughs] — I  keep  talking 
"we";   it's  net   "we"  anymore.      They   drilled  test  holes   before  you 
get  to  the  bay   out  there,    in  various  areas,    after  geological 
studies,   and  found  where  the  aquifers  were  and   good  places  to 
put   the  water  and  to  put   the  wells  to  pump  the  salt  water  out  of 
the   upper   strata.     Because  if  you  stopped  the   salt  water  from 
coming  in  the  upper  strata,    then  it  won't  reach   into  the  ferebay 
area  and  get  into  the  lower   strata. 

So  these  wells  are  pumping  water  into  channels  which 
discharge   the   salt  water  back  into  the  bay.     But  the   theory  is 
if  you  pump  the  salt  water  out,   you've  got  to  replace  it  with 
something.      So  the  objective  is  to  keep  the  water  in  the 
f  orebay,    or  in  the  general  Alameda  Creek  area  in  the  gravel,    at 
sea  level  so  that  the   salt  water   can't   come  in. 


So  you  pump  the  water   out  and  then  the  water  you  put  in  the 
pits—? 


Lage: 

Whitfield:      Is  what  gees  into  replacing  it,    yes. 


Lage:  So  it's  a  very  natural   process. 

Whitfield:     And  it  not  only   replaces  it,    but   it  takes  into  account  the 

consumption  as  people  pump  water  out  of  wells.      It   used  to  be 
predominantly  agriculture,    which  is  now  very   minimal — there's 
hardly  any  agriculture   there  now.     Industry  pumps,   but  the  water 
district   itself  is  the  major  pumper  for  its  domestic  water 
distribution   system. 

Lage:  The  article  about  the  Patterson  Ranch  just  raised  the  question 

in  my  mind  ©f  why   they're  facing  this   problem   of   salt.      It 
appeared  to  me  that  it  had  been  taken  care  of  with  the  aquifer 
reclamation   project. 

Whitfield:     Well,    the  project   isn't  a  hundred  percent  yet.      But,    as  we  were 
talking,    there   can  be   pockets  of   salt  water  in  the   stratas  and 
if   there's  no  pumping  in  that  area,    the  water  won't  move  in  the 
strata.      The  water  won't  move  if  no  one  pumps.      If  it  lies 
dormant  for  some  time  and  then  they  started  pumping  in  an  area, 
then  it  may  move  water  from  one   place  in  the   strata.      It'll   flow 
towards   the   direction  where  it's  pumping. 


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AOUIFlBt 

MTH  Of   1»LT  WATCH  INTIIU1IM 


Courtesy  of  the  California 
Department  of  Water  Resources 


INTRUSION  OF  SALT  WATER  INTO  THE 
FREMONT  STUDY  AREA 

PLATE  2 
MAP  1 


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Whitfield:      I  think  one   of    the   things   that  are  mentioned  in  that  article  is 
that   they've   got  boron  in  the  water  also. 

Lage:  Right. 

Whitfield:     Boron  is  very   detrimental    to  plant   growth.      We  had  an  area  up 
here  in  the  Niles  area  above  the  fault — the  fault   goes  through 
Irvington  and  down  there  in  the  Niles.      It's  an  impervious 
barrier — and  it's  about  eight   or   ten  or   twelve  inches   thick. 
Above  the  fault  there  were  some  pockets  of  boron  up  there. 

Lage:  Just   naturally  occurring? 

Whitfield:     Yes,    it's  a  natural   phenomenon  in  the  mineral   content  of   the 
water.     Now,    they  did  mention  that  there  was   boron  in  that 
water. 

Lage:  Right,    that  that  was  another  problem  besides  the  salt. 

Whitfield:      Yes.      I   don't  know,    maybe  one   of   their  answers  is   there.      I 

don't  know   which   strata   they're  pumping  from.      You  know,    these 
are  all  on  the   Patterson  Ranch,   and  there's  a  lot   of   those  wells 
that  may  be   older  wells  that  they   tried  to  rehabilitate  to  use. 
Maybe  those  were  some  that  were  salty. 

Lage:  It  could  be. 

Whitfield:      I   don't  know   whether   they   could  drill   other  wells  in  their  area 
somewhere.      If   they  hooked  up  to  the  municipal   distribution, 
that's   pretty   extensive  water  for  irrigation. 

Lage:  Yes,    that  was   the  other  alternative. 

Whitfield:     The  only  ones  that  can  afford  that  is  the  Glad-A-Way  Gardens 

that  grow   all   those  gladiolas.      Sometimes   they  have  hooked  onto 
our   system.      We'd  give  them   a  connection  to  the  system,    but  it's 
metered.      Of   course,    that   gladiola   production  is   a  very 
lucrative  industry    to  be   in. 

Lage:  So  they  can  purchase  the  water? 

Whitfield:     Yes,   because   the  water   costs — well,    I  don't  know   what  the  rate 
is  now,    but  maybe  $150  an  acre  foot.      For  water  you  pump  out   of 
the   ground,    maybe   $50  an  acre  foot. 


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Legal   Action  against  Water  Waste  by  Quarry   Operators.    1968-1974 


Lage :  Let's   turn  to  another  major  issue   in  the  seventies.      Actually,    I 

think  it   started  about   '68.      That's   the    problem  with   the 
quarries  pumping  water   out   of  your  ground  water  basin. 

Whitfield:      Yes.      Of   course,    our  recharge   problem,    recharging  the   ground 

water,    is  in  direct   opposition  to  the  quarries  approach  because 
they  came  in  and  for  years   they  just   dug  down  to  a   certain 
level.      Then,    as  the  land  got  more  expensive  and  they   were 
running  out  of   gravels,    they   started   going  down   deeper.      Well, 
the  water   table  was   down  in  those  days.      But  when  the  South  Bay 
Aqueduct   came  along  we  had  a  major  supply   to   start  recharging 
the  ground  water  basin.     Then  we  started  raising  the  level   in 
the   ground  water  basin  back  to  the   state   of   nature.     We   called 
it   the   "state  of   nature"  theory   of   what   the  average  elevation  in 
the   ground  water  basin  was. 

Lage:  How   did  you  determine  what  that  "state  of  nature"  was?      Did  you 

have   good  records  en  it? 

Whitfield:     Oh.    yes.      We  had  records   going  back  to  1913.      There  used  to  be   a 
hydrograph,   you  know,   a   chart,    in  the   boardroom.     We   plotted 
every   month  and  we  had  certain  wells  that  we  plotted. 

Lage:  So  you  had  good  records   going  way  back,    then? 

Whitfield:     Oh.   yes.      So  we  arrived  at  what  the  "state  of  nature"  was  from 
those  records.      These   go   back  for  many  years.      Well,    back  to 
1913. 

Lage:  What  were  the  quarries  quarrying? 

Whitfield:      They  were  quarrying  sand  and   gravel. 

Lage:  Was  their  operation  disrupted  when  you  raised  the  water  table? 

Whitfield:      They   get   dredges  in  so  they   could  quarry  in  the  water,   but  then 
you  can  only  dredge   so  far  down.     Then  they   started  pumping  the 
water  out  of   the  pits  and  dumping  it  in  Alameda   Creek,    wasting 
it  into  the  bay.      That  was   directly  contradictory   to  our   purpose 
of   raising  the   ground  water  to   sea  level   for   use.    plus  to 
rehabilitate   the   strata   to  get  rid  of    the  salt  water. 

Lage:  So   they  were   taking  water  you'd  pumped  in.   and  pumping  it  out. 

How   did  you  discover  that  they   were  doing  this?     Was  it  common 
knowledge? 


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Whitfield:      Oh.   yes.      You  could  see   the  big  pipes  ever  there  with  their 

pumps  running  twenty- four  hours  a  day.      We  put  up  with  that.      We 
tried  to  work  with  them  and  negotiate  with  them.      They  weuld 
say,    "Well,    we're   going  to   do   this  and  then  we'll  cut  back,"  and 
all    that   kind   of    thing. 

Lage :  Were  there  several   different  companies? 

Whitfield:      There  was  Niles   Sand   &  Gravel,   and  Rhodes  and  Jamiesen,   and  PGA. 
Pacific  Coast  Aggregates.      But   PCA  had  more  land,    and  they  just 
moved  into  higher  lands  and  quarried  in  there.      They  were  not 
out   of   business  yet,   but   they   had  lands  where  they   could  quarry 
without  pumping  water.      They  pumped  a  little,    but  net — 

Lage:  Rhodes  and  Jamiesen  and — 

Whitfield:      Rhodes  and  Jamieson  and  Niles  Sand   &  Gravel,   yes. 


Lage : 


Lage : 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Kaiser  is  mentioned,    also,    in  the  minutes. 


Whitfield:     Well,    yes,    their  pit  is   the  only  one  on  the   south   side   of   the 

creek;    all  the  rest  are  on  the  north   side.      Their  pit  straddled 
the  fault,   east  and  west,    so  they  had  a  high  water  table.      They 
were  the  first  ones  that  dredged  up  there,   because   the  ground 
water  above  the  fault  was  about   thirty  to  forty  feet  higher  than 
below    the  fault.      So  Kaiser  was  not  involved  in  pumping  water 
into  the   creek.      They  were   practically   out   of   business. 

Lage:  Before  it  became  a  problem? 

Whitfield:      Yes.     There  were  just  the   two  of   them   that  pumped  substantially. 


Rhodes  and  Jamiesen  and  Niles  Sand  &  Gravel. 

Yes.     So  we  filed  a  lawsuit.     We  hired  a  special  attorney  who 
handled  the  case.      Then  we  had  Harvey  Banks,    who  was  the  former 
director  of  the  Department  of  Water  Resources,   who  was  very 
instrumental    in  getting  us  state  water.      That  was  the  main 
purpose  of   the  state  water   project — recharge   of   the   ground  water 
basin.      He  had  retired  from   the  DWR,    so  we  hired  him  as  our 
consultant,  and  he  was  one   of  our   chief  witnesses,   plus  Stan 
Sayler,    at  that  time  my   assistant   chief   engineer. 

Was  one  of   the  approaches  to   get  the  quarries  to   pay  for  the 
water   they  were  pumping  out? 


Whitfield:     No. 


Lage: 


That  wouldn't  solve  the  problem? 


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Whitfield:      The  water  they  pumped  out  was   completely  wasted.      It   couldn't   be 
put    to  beneficial   use.      It  wouldn't  help  the  ground  water  basin 
if   they  kept  pumping  the  water  out.    even  if   they   paid  for  it. 
We   could  only  get  so  much  water  from   the  state.      Our  Table  A  in 
the  state   contract  stipulates  how   much  water  we   take  each  year. 
The  fact   that  we  got  monetary    return  on  it  would  not  solve  the 
problem.     We  didn't  sue  them  for  money;   we  were  suing  them  to 
stop  their  pumping.    We  felt  that  the  overlying  landowners  had 
the  right  to   the   ground  water   basin. 

it 

Lage:  There   seemed  to  be   some   tie-in  with   the  city   here.      The  initial 

things  that  I  noticed  in  the  minutes  in  '68  and  '69.  you  were 
going  te  request  the  city  to  enforce  the  use  permits.  Do  you 
remember  that  at  all?  That  was  before  the  suit  was  filed. 

Whitfield:     The  quarries  were  in  operation  before  the  city  of  Fremont  was 

created,    before   they  incorporated.      I   think  in  the  newer   permits 
we  got  in  there  that  they  could  not  pump  water  that  wasted  te 
the  bay. 

Lage:  Do  you  remember  if  the  city   cooperated  with  that? 

Whitfield:     Well,    they  weren't  too  anxious  to.     Very  frankly,    they  weren't 
too  anxious  te  get  their  foot  in  that  pie. 

Lage:  Pretty   controversial? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Well,    it  was  kind  of   political. 

Lage:  Did   the  quarries  have  a  let   of   political   power? 

Whitfield:      Some,   yes.     One   of   them    thought  he  had  a  lot  mere  political 
power   than  he  had. 

Lage:  Was  this  the  Niles  Sand  and  Gravel   Company? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  Was  that  a  local   company? 

Whitfield:     Well.    no.     Guy   Qouser  ran  the  thing;  he  was  a  part  owner,    but 
there  were   other  investors   in  it. 


Lage: 

Whitfield:     Let  me  just   tell  you  what  happened  at  the  trial. 


You  mentioned  the  "state  of   nature"  theory   that  was  very 
important.     How   did  you   develop   that? 


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Whitfield; 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 


Lage: 

Whitfield; 

Lage: 

Whitfield: 
Lage: 

Whitfield: 


We  had  the  experts,   and  we  were  in  court  quite  a  while.     We  were 
very   fortunate  to  have  Judge  Lyle  Cook,    who  was  very  interested 
in  understanding  the  technicalities   of  what  was   being  explained. 
We  were  fortunate  to  have  him  because  knowledge  and  expertise  in 
the   ground  water  basin,   in  those   days,   was  limited  to  a  few.     An 
average   civil   engineer  had  no  background  in  it  at  all,    but  you 
learned   through  actually    being  involved  in  it.      It's 
complicated.       It's  like   any   other   technical   thing;    they   have 
their   own  terminology. 

But   everything  that  he   didn't   understand  he   asked  about. 
In  fact,    he  had  very  high  respect  for  Mr.   Banks,    Harvey  Banks, 
and  several    times  when  Harvey  had  explained  something  the  judge 
would  ask,    "Mr.  Banks,   would  you  mind   going  over  that  again  for 
me?      I  want  to  make   sure  I   understand  it."     Judge   Cook  even  came 
out  in  the  field  to   see   the   pits  and   get  his   own  visualization 
of  what  was   going  on,      He  saw   the  pumps  going  and  the  water 
running  down  the   creek  and  going  out  to   the   bay. 


How   about  the  witnesses  for  the  companies? 
Mr.   Banks? 


How   did  they  counter 


Well,    they   had  some   civil   engineers  who  could  design  a  pipe  and 
that  kind  of   stuff,    but   they   didn't  have  much  assistance  in   this 
problem.      The  fact   is  that  the  problem   existed  and  to  waste  the 
water — even  in  those  days,   wasting  water  was  not  the   socially 
acceptable   thing.      More  now    than  then. 

They  had  engineers  who  testified,    but  Harvey  Banks  was   so 
knowledgeable.      Harvey  Banks  was  up  there  when  they  wrote 
Bulletin  81  and  all   the  studies,   and  he  was  very  familiar  with 
all. 

He  knew  your  district  well? 
Oh,   yes,   yes,   he   did. 

Did  it  become  a  question  of   public  interest  vs.    the  private 
property  interests?      I  noticed  in  the  minutes   they  talked  about 
hiring  the  law    firm,    and  they  picked  a  firm   that  was  expert  in 
eminent   domain. 

Yes,    John  Rogers. 

Did  that  bring  up   the  interests  of    the  entire  district  here  vs. 
the  individual   property   owner? 

Yes,    the  public  interest,    yes.      Who  has  the  right  to  the  water? 
That's   the  question.      What  right   do  you  have  to   property?      Do 
you  have  the  right  to  go   down  and  dig  a  hole,    or  dig  pits,    and 
by  so  doing  waste  another  natural   resource? 


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Whitfield:      They're  quarrying  gravel,    which  is  a   natural   resource,    to   sell 
for   profit.      Now.    people  need  water,    so  it's  a  question  of    the 
right  to   use  your  land  to  obtain   the   benefits   of  a  natural 
resource,    when  in  so   doing  you  take   another  natural    resource 
which  is  more  valuable — you  could  probably   do  without   gravel, 
but  you  never  can  do  without  water — and  waste  that  to  the  bay 
for   the  purpose   of    profit. 

Lage:  It's  an  interesting  issue. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Frankly,    we  had  a  very   sharp  attorney   in  John  Rogers.      He 
was  more  versed  in  eminent  domain,    land  and  appraisal,    but  he 
did  his  homework. 

Lage:  Then  there  was  another  suit,    the  countersuit  of    the  quarries 

against   the   district? 

Whitfield:     Yes,    for   their  damages.      Rhodes  and  Jamie  son  dropped  it.      Our 
suit  was  over  damages  to   the   ground  water  basin.      Rhodes  and 
Jamieson  stipulated  and  they   decided  not  to  go  pursue   that 
avenue,    but  Niles   Sand   &  Gravel   did,    and  then  they  had  to   pay— I 
forget  what  the  settlement  was  for  the  water  that  they  had 
wasted. 

Lage:  Oh.    they  did  pay   for  it? 

Whitfield:  Yes.      I  forget  what  that  figure  was. 

Lage:  But  then  they   sued  you  for  damages  and  lost   that  in  1974. 

Whitfield:  I   guess   that's   the  one   that   they  lost. 


Pump  Tax  Update 


Lage:  I  also  noticed — I  think  it  was  1970 — they  went  to  the  state 

legislature  to  try  to  get  an  amendment  to  your  replenishment  act 
or   something.      Do  you  recall   that? 

Whitfield:      The  quarry  operators?      Oh.   yes.    because  they  were  pumping  water 
and  using  water  from   the  ground  water  basin  themselves,    in  their 
own  well.     When  we   got  the  legislative  act  through  to  allow    the 
district   to  impose   the  replenishment  assessment — that's  our  pump 
tax.    commonly  known — we  had  a  lot  of  agricultural   interests  and 
some   of    the  board  members  had  backgrounds   in  agriculture.      When 
the  act  was  formulated,    one  board  member  took  the   position  that 
he  wouldn't  vote  for   sponsoring  the  legislation  unless  the 
farmers   got  an  $8  maximum.      So  then  when  that  happened   the 
cities,    particularly   Fremont,    got  the  bee   in  their  bonnet.      They 


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Whitfield: 

Lage: 
Whitfield: 

Lage: 


figured   that   since   they  were  a  public  agency,    they   should   get 
the  benefit  just  like   the  farmer.      So  some  of   the  board  were  ex- 
city   councilmen  so  they  acquiesced  in   that. 

They   got  the  $8  maximum  also? 

Yes.      Then  the  quarries  wanted  that   same  benefit.      With  the 
relationship  not  being  too  good  over   the  quarry  problem  anyway, 
[laughs]    the   board   said.    "No  way." 

The  beard  seemed  pretty   unanimous  in  most  of   its  dealings,    I 
noticed. 


Whitfield:     Well,    that's  right. 

Lage:  The  pump  tax  was  an  exception. 

Whitfield:     That's  a   ticklish   thing.      You  know,    you're  in  an  old  community: 
it  was  farmers.      It  was  a  farming  industry  when  it   started;    that 
was  the  only   industry    for  years.      You  have  that  heritage,    and 
the  farmers  had  the  idea,    "Well,    that  water  is   under  my   property 
and   I   have   unlimited  use." 

That  just   isn't    true.       It's   true   throughout   the   states. 
It's  only  in  recent  years — in  the  last   twenty  years   or   so — that 
seme  of   the  people  have  realized  the  value  of   the  ground  water 
basin,    because   the  average   citizen   can't   see  it.      Like   our 
customers'   water,   you  know,    it   doesn't  matter  where  the  water 
comes  from — you  pull  it  from  the  ground  water  basin,    and  the 
aquifers   and  they   just   don't — If  you  see  a  big  surface  lake,    you 
know,    that's  a  big  bucket  of  water,    but  I   don't   see  anything;    I 
see   ground. 

Lage:  I   noticed  that  even  the  pump  tax,    after  about  "72,    didn't   seem 

controversial.      Then  the  board,   again,   was   unanimous  every  year 
when  you  were  assessing  the  tax. 

Whitfield:     Well,   but  the  law  as  written  calls  for   the  board  to   pass   a 

resolution  of   intent  every  year  before  a  certain  date  stating 
that  they  intend  to  charge  a  replenishment  assessment,    if   they 
are  going  to  charge   a  replenishment  assessment  in  that  year. 

Lage:  And  that  became  kind  of   a  routine  matter. 

Whitfield:     Well,    because   that's  what  the  law    said.      You  have  to  go   through 
a  public  hearing,    publish  a  report  and  all   that.      The  first  one 
we  had  was  held  at  the  old  Washington  High  School  Auditorium, 
where   there  might  be   three  hundred  people. 

Lage:  Then  I   came  across  one  where  nobody  showed  up.      The  public 

hearing  was   declared  closed,    [laughs] 


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Whitfield:      That's   right.      That's  as   it's   been  for   a  long   time   new,    although 
the  replenishment  assessment,    the  pump  charges,    have  gone  up 
considerably.     When  we  first  imposed  it.    I   think  it  was  just   $10 
an  acre  foot.      I  think  it's  up  about  $60  or  $70  now.      I'm 
talking  about  when  I  was   there,    so — 

Lage:  It  may  be  higher  yet. 

Whitfield:     Probably.     Ann.   you  know  what  you  ought  to  do  is  ask  Ruth  to 

give  you  a   copy   of   one   of   the  replenishment  assessment  reports. 
That  will  tell  you  how   much  water  we've  imported,    how  much  we've 
percolated,   how  much  was  pumped  out  by  industry  and  agriculture 
and  all   that,    and  how    much   overdraft   there  is.      It  will  give  you 
a   good  background,      I   should  have   thought   of   that   before   because 
that  will  give  you  a  whole  background. 


Protecting  the  Alameda   Creek  Watershed  in  the  Livermore  Valley 


Lage:  Let's  leek  at   the   situation  in  the  Livermore  Valley.       I  had 

remembered  seme  litigation  that  you  didn't  recall    [Larrewe.    p. 
17]. 

Whitfield:      I   don't  think  we  went   through  litigation  in  the  Livermere 

Valley.     We  worked  through  the  Regional  Water  Quality   Control 
Board  because  Livermere  came   under  their  jurisdiction. 

Lage:  I  noticed  in  the  minutes  that  one   time   somebody  suggested  you 

look  into  a  lawsuit,    and  then  there's  no  further  mention,    so 
maybe  it  never  got  that  far  and  you  continued  to  work  through 
the  regional   beard.      Did  you  get  a  lot  of   support  from    the 
Regional  Water  Quality   Control  Board? 

Whitfield:     Yes.     We  started  early  en  to  attend  the  Regional  Water  Quality 
Control  Beard  meetings.      You  know,    back  in  the   eld   days,    you'd 
drive  inte  the  entrance   of   the  city   of   Pleasanton.    and  they   had 
their  settling  ponds  from   their  sewage  treatment,    and  you  had  to 
held  your   nose    to   drive  by. 

They   contained  their  sewage   in  settling  ponds.      Then  as 
time  went  en  and  they  started  building  treatment   plants,    they 
came   under   the  jurisdiction  of   the  Regional  Water  Quality 
Control  Board  for   the  quality   of   the   effluent   that   they  pumped 
inte  the  creek.      We  were  always  opposed  to  lax  standards.      We 
always  worked  with  the  board's   staff   to   get   the  most  rigid 
standards.      What  we  were  fearful   of   in  those  days  was  that  these 
little  towns  in  the  Amador  Valley  would   be  interested  in 
promoting  industry.      The  whole  area  drains  into  the  Alameda 
Creek  up  there,    and  eventually  we'd   get   their  wastes   down  here. 


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Whitfield:     We  figured  that  someday  maybe  a  plant  of  the  magnitude   of 

General   M»tors  would  decide  they  wanted  to  settle  in  Livermore 
or  in  that  area.      There's  no  way   that   the   politicians,    or   even 
the  Regional   Water  Quality   Control  Board,    would  turn  them  down, 
unless  water  quality   standards  were  in  place. 

Here  in  Fremont  the  industrial  wastes  go  into  sewer 
systems,    but  our  sewer  system  dumps  into  the  bay. 

Lage:  Yes,    and  their  sewer  system  dumps  into  Alameda  Creek,    is  that 

the  idea? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      We  get  the  benefit  of   all   their  sewage  effluent.      We 

figured  that  if  a  plant  would  go  in,  aside  from  bacteriological 
considerations,  if  their  discharge  was  high  in  boron  or  high  in 
something  that  you  just  couldn't  tolerate,  where  would  we  be? 

Lage:  Right,    any   type   of   toxic  waste.      But   this  was  before  there  was 

so  much   concern  with  toxic  waste. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    there  was  a  lot  of   opposition  to  controls,    and,    in  those 
days,    really   the  Regional  Water  Quality   Control  Board   didn't 
have  too  many  teeth,    legally,   but  we  were  always  a  staunch 
supporter   of    them. 

Lage:  Did  they  work  well  with  you? 

Whitfield:      Oh,   yes. 

Lage:  So  those   things   didn't  come   to  a  head  because   the  Regional  Water 

Quality   Control  Board  kept  the   standards  strict,    is   that 
correct? 

Whitfield:     Oh,    yes.      They  kept  them   strict.      In  fact,    they   passed 

Resolution  91-126  that  set  the  standards,  and  there  was  a  lot  of 
opposition  to  that.  We  weren't  the  most  respected  people  in  the 
Livermore-Amador  Valley. 

Lage:  Then  this   same   short  history    [Larrowe,    p.   17]    mentions  the 

district  joined  in  opposition  to  a  scheme   of  Kaiser  Sand  and 
Gravel   to  turn  an  abandoned  gravel   pit  near  Pleasanton  into  a 
solid  waste   garbage   dump,    supported  by  San  Francisco. 

Whitfield:      That's  right. 

Lage:  I   guess  San  Francisco   saw    the  site  as  a  potential   city   dump. 

Whitfield:     No,    no,    because  San  Francisco   gets  water  from   the  Sunol  Valley. 


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Lage:  The  hist»ry   say  a   the   project  was  supported   by   San   Francisco. 

They  needed  a  solid  waste  garbage  dump  facility.  And  that 
Kaiser  didn't  obtain  a  permit  because  of  opposition  of  the 
Sierra  dub  and  the  Alameda  County  Water  District. 

Whitfield:      Yes.     Well,    my  memory   isn't  as   good  as  it   used  to   be.    but  San 
Francisco   depends  on  some  Alameda   Creek  water,    too.      They   used 
to  take  water  out  of  Alameda  Creek  at  the  water   temple  in  Sunol 
and  transport  it  through  a  thirty-six  inch  line   that  went  under 
the   bay   to  San   Francisco. 

If 

Whitfield:     You  put   garbage   in  an  abandoned  quarry   that  is  all  connected 
with  the   ground  water  basin,   and  where   does  the   contamination 
go?      It   goes  into  the  ground  water  basin. 


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VIII      THE  WATER   DISTRICT  AND   THE    COMMUNITY 


Fluoridation  Controversy,    1969-1971 


Lage :  Why   don't  we  turn  to  the  fluoridation  issue.      That  seems 

like  an  ongoing  controversy   for  a   couple   of  years,    anyway.      De 
you  remember  how   that  came   up? 

Whitfield:     Well,    there  were  a  lot  of   proponents  of   fluoridation. 

Lage:  They   seemed  to  start  the  issue  by  bringing  a   petition  to  the 

board  in  favor   of   fluoridatien. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      In  fact,    I  got  my   introduction  to  the  flouridation  issue 
up  in  the  Livermore  Valley,   when  the   California  Water  Service 
there  was   considering  fluoridating  the  water.      That's  a   private 
corporation,   like   Citizens  Utility   Company   down  here.      I  learned 
that  they   were  having  a  hearing  on  the  fluoridation  issue  up 
there,   and  I  was   going  on  vacation  on  a  Friday   so  I  went   that 
way.     That's  where  I   got  my    first  baptismal   fire  about  the 
controversy  in  the  fluoridation  issue.      In  those   days,    whenever 
you  had  a  fluoridation  issue,    they   came  out  from   all   over, 
organized  groups. 

Lage:  From   out  of   the  area. 

Whitfield:     Te   fight  it,    yes.      A  lot  of   people  just   don't  believe  in 

additives.      They    don't  mind   chlorination,     that's    sterilization, 
but  additives  are  adding  minerals  or  whatever  it  might  be.      In 
other  words,    they   could   say  it   could  be  a   Communist   plot.     You 
know,    you  could  put  anything  in  the  water  you  want  if  you  want 
to  wipe  out  a   city   or   something. 

Lage:  Well,    did  you  find  that  opposition  when  you  wanted  to  soften  the 

water,    for  instance?      Doesn't  that  involve  putting  things  in  the 
water? 


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Whitfield:  Well,  that  changes  the  composition  of  calcium  and  magnesium.  It 
changes  fern  calcium  hydroxide  or  something — I've  forgotten  new  — 
inte  magnesium  or  something,  which  is  net  hard. 

Lage:  But    da   people   object?      That's  an  additive,    toe. 

Whitfield:      It  really   isn't  an  additive.       It   isn't — what  you   de  is  you  run 
the  water   through  a  zeolite,   which   takes  eut   certain  minerals. 

Lage:  I   see.      You're  removing  minerals. 

Whitfield:     You're  removing,    you're   net   putting  in.      But   there   was 

controversy  on  the   softening  plant,    toe.    because  in  softening 
you  use   the  zeolite  process,    which   is  a   resin  type   of    thing. 
You  filter  it;   you've   get   big   tanks  you   can  run  it   through. 
Then  you  backwash   it  with  salt  water   te  recharge  the  zeolite. 
Well,    people   get   the  idea   that  you're  putting  the   salt  inte   the 
water,    which  you're   not. 

But  when  you  de   that  process,    if  you  soften  it  too  much — if 
you  soften  it  te  zero — then  you  do   produce   sodium  in  the  water. 
So  we  had  doctors  in  the  heart  business — that's  where  the 
problem  of  sodium   comes  in.   you  knew,    for  people   because   ef 
heart  problems  they   can't  have  too  much   sodium   for  blood 
pressure  and  all   that.      Well,   we  had  doctors  who  were 
representing  the  American  Heart  Association  write  letters  that 
if  you  kept  the   salt   content  below  a   certain  level   that  it 
wouldn't   be   a   problem. 

Lage:  Was  there  an  organized  group  here  in  the  area  that  opposed  that, 

the  softening  plant? 

Whitfield:     Not  an  organized  group. 
Lage:  But  just  a  few  individuals? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  And  then  flueridatien  came   up.      It  was  first  mentioned  in  '69. 

and   then  there  were   two  elections  in  '70  and  '71.       It    sounded 
like   the  district  was  very   evenly   divided  over  it.      The 
elections  were  very    close. 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Well,    the  board  took  a   neutral   position  on  it.      If   the 

people  wanted  it,   and  we   could   get   the   necessary   financing,    then 
we  would  de   it;   if   the  people  didn't  want   it,    the  district 
wouldn't   do  it.   which  was   sensible.      There  were  no  real 
proponents  or   opponents  on  the  board. 

Lage:  I   see.      They  were  more   or  less   neutral,    then. 


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Whitfield:      Yes.      They  were   criticised  for   that.      Some   said,    "Well,    you 
should  be    the  leaders  and  tell   us  what  we  should  have." 

Lage:  I  noticed  that  in  the  first   election  in  '70   they   didn't   put  any 

pro  and   con  arguments  on  the  ballot,    and  then  for   the  second 
election  they  were   directed  that   they  needed  to    de   that. 

Whitfield:      I   think  so,    yes. 

Lage:  And  also   put  a  district  argument,    but   I  never  did  see  an  example 

of  what  that  district  argument  might  have   been.      Do  you  think  it 
was  a  pretty   neutral    argument? 

Whitfield:      I   can't  remember.      It  might  have   been. 

Lage:  What  were  the  people  like  who  came  to  the  beard  on  both  sides  of 

those  issues,    do  you  remember? 

Whitfield:      The  ones  that  were  against  fluaridation  were  really  rabid 

activists.     Some  woman  would  get  up  from  Pomona  or  wherever  it 
is,    "I   had  my   aunt,    it  ruined  her  kidneys,    and  she  died  from 
it,"     Then  they'd  come  in  and  say,    "Well,    you  know    fluoride  is 
rat   poison,     used  to  kill   rats,"  and  all   those  far-out  things. 
"Communist  plots."     "Kill    people." 

The   softening  controversy   wasn't  that  intense.      But  let  me 
tell  you  this,    John  Black  spearheaded  the  opposition  to 
f  luoridation. 

Lage:  He  was  a  local   person? 

Whitfield:     Yes.       I   think  he   still  lives  around  here.      I  haven't  seen  him 

for  a  long  time.  But  he  was  not  rabid  like  these  other  people. 
He  was  contained  and  sensible,  no  hollering,  with  these  far-out 
accusations  and  all  that. 

Lage:  He  didn't  go  with  the  Communist  plot  theory? 

Whitfield:     No.      In  fact,    I  enjoyed  working  with  him  because  he  was  just  a 
smart  man.      He  just  believed  in  the  theory   that  there  should  be 
no  additives   to  water. 

Lage:  Just  better  net  to  take   a  chance? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  Then  who  were  the  people  who  actually  actively  worked  for 

f  luoridation? 


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Whitfield:     Well,    the   parents  with  little  kids,   who  believed   that  if  you 

start  the  kids  young  enough  on  it.    fluoride   does  inhibit   tooth 
decay.      I   don't   knew,    they've  never  run  a    dental   survey    since  we 
did  it  t«  see  what   the  effects  are,   but — 

Lage:  I've  read  reports  that   shew  very  much   decreased  tooth   decay. 

Whitfield:     Do  you  mean  about  our  district? 

Lage:  No.    not  your  district,   just  in  general. 

Whitfield:     Oh.    yes.      But   I  mean  there  were  no  local   studies  made.      See.    how 
they   discovered  flueridation  in   certain  states,    they  have 
natural    fluorides  in  the  ground  water,    in  their  water.      But   they 
noticed  it  because   I  think  it  was  on  an  Indian  reservation  where 
the  teeth  got  all   mottled  and  discolored  from   too  high 
concentrations   of   fluoride,   but  none   of   them   ever  had  any 
cavities.       So  that's  why  you  keep  it   down  to  a   certain  amount, 
so  you   don't  mottle   the    teeth. 

Lage:  As  a  person  responsible  for  running  the  water  district,    did  you 

think  there  was  a  problem  that  errors   could  be  made,    or — ? 

Whitfield:     You  mean  in  operation? 

Lage:  Right.      Did  you  have  any   doubts  about  whether   the  district   could 

control   the   proper  amount? 

Whitfield:     No,    because   they   had  developed  equipment.      We  visited  plants 

that  had  had  it.      To   my  knowledge,    I've   never   even  read  in  the 
paper  about  any   overdoses  of   fluoride.    Up  on  Olive  Avenue  we  had 
an  individual  well    that  had  an  individual   fluoridatien  thing  en 
it,    and  one   of   the  controls  did  go  f looey,    and  we  found  out 
about  it  right  away  and  shut   the   thing  off  and   drained  the 
lines.      That   only  took  half  the  day.      That's  the  only   time  we 
ever  had  a   problem. 

Lage:  At  what  point  is  fluoride   put   into  the  water   system? 

Whitfield:      At  the  wells  or  treatment  plants.      See,    most   of  our  wells — 

they're  just   getting  finished  drilling  five  more  wells  down  at 
Howry  and   Peralta  Boulevard.      That's  the   Mowry  well  lot.      The 
ether   one  is  just  across  Mowry.    on  the  north   side   of    Peralta. 
where   I   guess   they've   got  about  eight  wells,    and   that's  above 
the   fault   because   the  benefit   there  is  you  don't  have   to  pump  it 
up  so  high.      So   they've    got   separate   fluoridation  injections 
there. 

In  fact,    the  Mowry   and  Peralta-Tyson  well   fields  are 
where   the  major   softener   plant  is. 


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Lage:  Did  you  have   personal   pressure  on  you  as  a  result  of   all   this 

controversy? 

Whitfield:     Oh.    I  got  accused  of  being  on  both  sides. 
Lage:  As   usual?    [laughs] 

Whitfield:     Oh,    yes.      I  never  took  any   positions.      Somebody   that  I  know 
would  ask  me  what  I   think.    "I   think  it's   the    thing  to    do." 

Lage:  But   it  wasn't  your  role  to  take   a  public  position  or  to  try   to 

lead  public  opinion  or   something  like   that? 

Whitfield:  No,  I  didn't  take  it  because  the  board  of  directors  wouldn't 
take  a  position  on  it.  I  got  by  with  it,  I  was  still  there 
several  years  afterwards. 

Lage:  Right.       [laughs]      Well,    that  final   election  was  '71.      Then   I 

noticed  you  made  available  a  faucet  that  was  going  to  be 
unf 1 ueridated? 

Whitfield:     That  was  one   of   the  hearings  we  had,    and  a   person  asked,    'Veil, 
is  all   the  water  to  be  fluoridated?"    We   said,    "Yes,   it  would 
be."     "Well,  what  am  I  going  to  do  if  I  don't  want  it.     Then  you 
are  forcing  me  to   go  buy  bottled  water."     So  one   of   the   board 
members   came   up  with  the  idea,    "Well,    we'll  put  a  free  faucet 
over  at  the   softening  plant."     So  we   bypassed  and   ran  a   pipe   out 
outside   the  fence   and  installed  a  faucet. 

Lage:  So   people   could   get   unf  luori  da  ted  water? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 


Lage: 


Was  this  a  metered  faucet? 


Whitfield:     We  never  installed  a  meter.      I   said,    "You  know,    it  would  cost  us 
more,    and  very  frankly.    I   don't   think  anybody's    going  to   use 
it." 

Lage:  They   probably  didn't  after   the  first   couple  of  months. 

Whitfield:      I  asked  the   plant  operators   up   there  if   they  were   seeing  anybody 
using  the  faucet.      l\)h,    once   in  a  while."     It  was  just  an 
argument,   you  know,    to   say,    "Well,   you're  forcing  me   to   buy 
bottled  water."     So  we'd  just   say,    "Well,    get  your  jug  and  go 
over  to  the   softening  plant  and   get  free  water."      It's    good 
psychology. 

Lage:  You've  had  enough  experience  with   that  now.      You  could  give   some 

good  advice. 


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Whitfield:     Well,    the  only  advice   I'd   give  anybody   that  runs  a  public  agency 
is  don't  —  I  used  to  get  churned  up  when  I  was  younger,    and  I 
just  learned  that   the   things   that   I  feared  that  would  be  hard  to 
handle  were  never  as  bad  when  they   happened.      I   figured  I   don't 
want  to   give   myself   ulcers.      I  learned  that  after   serving  under 
twenty-one   members  of   the  beard. 


Lage: 


Twenty-one  members  you  served  under? 


Whitfield:     Yes.      But   I  learned  early   in  that  game   to  save  my  energy  and  my 
abilities  for  the  important  things,    win  the   big  battles  and  lose 
the   little    ones. 


Lage: 


And  not  fret  over  those  little  ones? 


Whitfield:     Yes.    because   a  let  of   the  little  ones  are  a  matter  of   opinion;  a 
lot  of    them  aren't  a  matter   of    strict  engineering. 

Lage:  Probably  a  let  of   the  big  things  that  you  did  weren't 

controversial? 

Whitfield:     Well,    the  ground  water  basin.      We  had  people,    the  farmers  and 

everybody,  yelling  te  get  rid  ef  the  salt  water,  get  mere  water 
in  and  all  that.  And  a  lot  of  people  were  averse  te  using  the 
ground  water.  "Should  we  take  more  Hetchy  water  and  less  ground 
water?"  and  all  that.  But.  you  know,  the  ground  water  basin  is 
an  invaluable  natural  asset.  You  couldn't  build  a  water  supply 
like  that  for  less  than  billions  of  dollars. 


Lage: 


Yes.      No  evaporation. 


Whitfield:     Yes,     that's   right.      And  the  ether  argument  is  for  radioactive 
fallout.      The   ground  water  is  more   protected   than  an  open  lake 
that  has   surface.      Like   near  the  Chernobyl  plant    [site  of 
nuclear   power   plant],    they  have  a  big  lake   there   that   serves   all 
of   the  city  of  Kiev.      I  was  in  Kiev  once. 


Trip  to  the  Soviet  Union  and  Eastern  Europe.   1972 


Lage:  I  noticed  in  1972  you  went  te  Russia  and  all    of   Eastern  Europe. 

What  was  that  about?      This  is  off  the  track,    but — 

Whitfield:      President  Eisenhower   started,    after  he  was   president,   a   People- 
to-People   program.      It  was  just   the   concept,    and  it  wasn't 
financed   by    the  federal    government  or  anything,    but  he   pushed 
for    that.      So  the  American  Water  Works  Association,    which  we 
belonged  to,    decided  to   ge  on  one   ef   these   People-to-People 
tours. 


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Whitfield:     We  went  t*  England  and  the  Soviet  Union.      We  went  to  Leningrad. 
Moscow.    Kiev,    and  Budapest.      We  had  some  entree  to  the  water 
departments.      Even  in  Russia,    or   the  Soviet  Union — you  knew, 
everybody    refers  to  the  Soviet  Union  as  Russia,    but   there  are 
seventeen  republics:      Russia  is  only  one   of   the  republics.      Kiev 
is  a   capital   of    the  Ukraine,    which   is  another  republic.      But  you 
read  in  the   paper,   and  you  hear   commentators,   and  all  you  hear 
about    is   Russia. 

Lage :  Yes.      Was  the  focus  of   the  trip  to  meet  with  the  water  depart 

ment  people? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      Going  through  water   treatment   plants  and  other  facilities. 

Lage:  Did  you  see  anything  that  surprised  you,    or  anything  we   should 

note? 

Whitfield:     No,     the   only   thing  that's  very  noticeable  in  the  Soviet  Union  is 
that  on  the  exteriors  of   their  water  treatment   plants  or  their 
water  facilities,    they   don't  spend  much  money    for  architectural 
refinement,    for  beauty.      They  spend  the  money  for   the  quality 
inside.      Inside   they're  immaculate,    and  they   have  very   modern 
techniques.      The   thing  that  surprised  me  there  was  that  they  had 
so  many  women,    and  this  was  back — when  was  that?      In  '72  I  went? 

Lage:  Right,    '72. 

Whitfield:     Yes,    there  were  so  many   women.      A  lot  of   the  operators  in 

treatment  plants  were  women.      The  first  thing  in  Leningrad,    I 
saw    a  utility   truck  you  know,    like   a  PG  &  E  truck — with  an  all- 
woman  crew. 

Lage:  Of   course,    that  wouldn't  be   so  unusual   now   here. 

Whitfield:  Yes,   but   over   there   the  women  you  see  really  were   pretty  hefty. 

Lage:  How   about   the  engineers,    were  they  women? 

Whitfield:  I   think  we  met  a   couple,   yes. 

Lage:  But   it  wasn't  as   striking  as  the  workers? 

Whitfield:  No. 

Lage:  Did  you  run  across  any   ground-water-based  districts? 

Whitfield:     No,    we   didn't   get  involved.      Everything  was  on  surface 

distribution  treatment   plants,    from   rivers.      I   saw    the  Blue 
Danube,    and  the  Blue  Danube  wasn't  very  blue;    it  was   polluted. 


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Lage:  That  must  have   been  an  interesting  trip? 

Whitf  ield:      It  was.      We  had  an  interesting  group  that  went.      I   think  there 
were  thirty-six  of   us.      Through  the  American  Water  Works  and 
people   that  were  up  in  the  water  industry,    they  had  made 
contacts,    and  we  had  prior  appointments. 

Lage:  Now   would  Fremont   be   the  kind  of   community  at  all  where  you'd 

get  some  raised  eyebrows  about  your  going  to   the  Soviet  Union? 

Whitfield:     No.      It  was  in  the  paper. 
Lage:  No  reaction? 

Whitfield:     No. 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


Lage: 


Whitfield: 


It  wasn't  in  the  fifties,    of   course.      The  McCarthy   period  was 
gone,    but  sometimes  you  do  find — even  now — 

Well,    even  now    there  is   sensitivity  about  supervisors  and  city 
councilmen   going  on  junkets.      Our  board  of   directors  is   careful 
when  they   go  to  the  American  Water  Works   convention,    or  the 
Irrigation  District  Association   convention    [it's   now    called 
AQUA].     Our  board  was  always  very   sensitive  about  announcing 
that  they  were  going  to  a   convention,    so  they   always  referred  to 
them   as   conferences.       [laughter]     Then  I  used  to  go.    and  I'd  pay 
all   the   bills  and   get  reimbursed. 

The  bills  for  other  people? 

For   the   directors,    for   their   dinners.      When  they'd   take   their 
wives  with   them,    we  had  to  allocate  certain  costs  for  their 
wives.     But  the  water  district  was  very  fortunate,    it  was  never 
a  real   political    type   of   thing,    like   some  are. 

Back  in  the  early  days,    we  had  an  editor   of   the  Township 
Register,    which  was  a  predecessor  of   the  Argus  now,    who  was  very 
rabid  in  trying  to  sniff  out  expenditures.      We'd    get    criticized 
once  in  a  while,    but  very   seldom. 


Well,   it   seemed  like  it  was   a  fairly   conservative   district, 
didn't  have  a  group  of   people  taking  advantage — 


You 


It  used  to  be   that  at   the   board  meeting  they  authorized   going  to 
convention;   they    authorized   certain   directors.      Now    they    don't: 
they  just  put  in  the   budget,    and  it's  an  approved  item. 


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Lage:  Well.    I  ran  across  one  item  in  the  minutes  where   Carl   Strandberg 

was   denied  approval.      He  was   going  to  a  UC  workshop,    and  it  was 
said  he   didn't   need  to  have  a  technical   background;    he  was   a 
policy   maker.      Apparently,    the  workshop  was  oriented  towards  a 
technical  background,    and  they   denied  him. 

Whitf  ield:     Well,    he  used  to  go   to  a  lot  of   meetings   and  put  in  an  expense 
account,    but   they  weaned  him   of   that. 

Lage:  He's   still   on  the  board? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      His  desire  was  to  be   a  technical   author.      He  had  many 

ideas  about  water   conservation  and  recharge  and  pollution.      He 
came   up  with  many    ideas;    the  board  kind  of   suggested  that  before 
he  bring  some  of   these  ideas   up  to  talk  them   over  with  Matt. 

Lage:  What  about  this  anti-pollution  committee  he  seemed  to  be 

involved  with? 

Whitfield:     Well,    he's  written  books   en  pollution.      I've  read  a  few   ef    them. 


Citizens  Utility  Buyout;      Community   Pressure.    Company 
Recalcitrance 


Lage:  Let's  talk  about  the  Citizens  Utility   Committee.      I  mentioned,    I 

think  before  we  went  on  the  tape,    that  it   seems  fairly  well 
covered  in  Larrowe's   short  history,    but   I'm  sure  there  are 
things   that  you  remember  about  that  long  controversy.      Why   don't 
you  give  an  overview   of   the  problem  first? 

Whitfield:      Citizens  Utility  is  a   private   stock  company.      One   thing  about 
them,    they   pay  excellent   dividends   so  they're  a  good  profit- 
making  organization.      They're   nationwide,    and   they're  in   the 
sewer  business,    the  telephone  business,    the  water  business,    and 
I   don't  know  what  else,    but  it's   my   understanding  that  they  had 
an  approach   of   going  out  and  buying  out  small  water  companies, 
then  operating  for   some  years  and  then  selling  out  to  a  public 
agency. 

Lage:  I   see,    t©  the  larger  district. 

Whitfield:      Yes,    because  the  publicly  owned  utilities  have  become  more 

prevalent  in  the  last  twenty-five  years.      I   can  say   that  the 
service   Citizens  Utility   Company   gave  was  poor. 

Lage:  Really  bad? 


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Whitfield: 

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Whitfield: 


Yes.     We  used  to   get   calls.      Some   of    the   girls  would  refer   them 
to  me,   and  I  had  to  explain. 

Calls  from  the — ? 

From   the  customers  in  the  Citizen  Utilities   section. 

Now,   what  area   did  they   cover? 

They   covered  Niles  and  Decoto;   Miles  is  part  of   Fremont,    and 
Decoto  is  now   part  of  Union   City. 

I   see,    so  it  went  across   city  bounds.      That   complicated  it 
further,    probably. 

Yes.      But   they  wouldn't  respond  to  any   complaints. 

What  kind  of   complaints  would  there  be?     Quality  of  water — ? 

Dirty  water,    mud  in  the  water,    lousy   tasting  water. 

What  about  water  pressure? 

Water  pressure.      After  we   took  them   over,    we  found  a  lot  of   two- 
inch  lines  where  their  maps   said  they  had  four-inch  lines,    and 
one-inch  lines  where  they   said  they   had  two-inch  lines. 

Were   they  pumping?      Is   that  where   their  water   came  from? 


Yes.      They    only   had  the 
They   couldn't  buy  Hetchy 
Raker  Act    since   it's   com 
That  act  prohibited  them 
corporations.      They   can 
agencies — flood   control 
have  a   secondary   supply 
for  fire   protection,  and 
water   for   a  fire. 


one   source,    the  ground  water  basin. 

water  because  Hetchy  is   governed   by    the 
ing  from   federal   lands   in  Yosemite. 

from  selling  to   profit-making 
only  sell   to  municipalities  and  public 
and  water   districts.      So   they   didn't 
of  water.      They   had  hardly  any   storage 

they  never  had  capacity   to  pump  enough 


We'd  get  a  lot  of   complaints,    "Would  it  do  any   good  if   we 
went  to  your  board  of   directors?"     "Well,    you're  welcome  to 
come,   but   the  board  has  no  jurisdiction  over — "     They   wanted  us 
to   do   something  about  it.     We   said  the  only   thing  to   do  is  to 
call    the  health  department. 

But  there  was  an  effort  made  to  get  you  to  buy  the  Citizens 
Utility  Company,  and  apparently  there  was  some  disagreement 
about  price. 

Oh,    there  was  a   substantial   disagreement.      We.    unfortunately. 
got  a  judge  in  that   case   that  was  anti-publicly   owned  utility. 


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Lage:  This  was  the  judge   setting  the   price  for   the — ? 

Whitf  ield:      It  was  a   condemnation  suit,    and  he  was  the  one  that  heard  the 
suit.      He  made  a   statement  in  his  opening  remarks,    I   don't 
remember   the  very  words,    but  the  essence  was  that  he  was  against 
these  publicly   owned  utilities   going  around  willy-nilly  and 
buying  out  well-run  private  water  companies. 

Lage:  This  was  his  initial   statement? 

Whitf  ield:     Yes. 


Lage: 
Whitf  ield: 

Lage: 
Whitf  ield: 


Sounds  as  if   he  should  have  disqualified  himself. 

I  told  our  attorney,    "Why   can't  we — ?"     No,    he    didn't  want   to 
that.      We   didn't  have   a   special    attorney    on  that   one. 


do 


Lage: 


So  that  judge  was  the  one  that   determined  what   price  you  had  to 
pay? 

Yes.      We  had  three  experts.      We  had  Barttlec  Wells,    and  Bookman 
and  Edmonston,   and  I   can't  remember  who  else,    who  joined  to   give 
us  a  valuation.      We  thought  we  don't  want  just  one.      There  are 
several   different  ways  you  could  evaluate  it:   price  new,   less 
depreciation.      There   are   several   methods.      The  judge  wouldn't 
let  any   of  our  experts  testify,   excepting  the  only  testimony  he 
would  hear  was  the  replacement  cost  new,    less  depreciation, 
which  is   the  most  expensive  one. 

First  of   all,    the  Public  Utilities  Commission  was  on  the 
spot  because  they  were   getting  all   these   complaints  from   Irene 
Vincent   and  all   of    them.       She'd   go   up  there  and  raise  hell. 
They  wanted  us  to  take   them   over  because — they   didn't   say   this 
publicly,    but   that  would  get  them   off  their  backs.      So  we  met  a 
couple  times  with  the  Public  Utilities   Commission. 

One  approach  would  be  you  could  go   to  the  Public  Utilities 
Commission  and  have   them    set   the   price. 

Why   didn't  you  take   that  approach? 


Whitfield:      Well,   we  thought  they  were  too  prejudiced  in  favor   of   the 
utilities   that   they    regulate. 

Lage:  I   see.      They  regulate   the   private   companies. 

Whitfield:     They    regulate  private  companies,    profit-making  companies,   but  we 
don't   come   under  the  Public  Utilities   Commission.      The  publicly 
owned  ones   come  under  a  board  of   directors.      In  other  words,    the 
theory   there  is,    the   privately   owned  ones   do  not  have  any 


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Whitfield:      publicly-elected  members  running  the  company,   whereas  our  board 
of    directors   is  in   charge   of    running  the  district  and  they're 
elected.      So  if   the  public   doesn't  like  it.    they    can  elect 
somebody   else.      With  private   companies,    you  don't  have   that 
alternative.      That's  why  you  have  a  Public  Utilities    Commission. 
with  members  appointed  by   the  governor. 

Lage:  Hew   did  you  find   the  local   officers  in  the   Citizens  Utility 

Company?     Did  you  have  to  deal  with  them? 

Whitfield:      The  local   people  were  just  puppets.      They  had   Catherine   Meyers, 
whom   I've  known  since   I  was  a  kid.      She  ran  the  place   over 
there,    and  she  had  no  authority  to   do  hardly   anything. 

Lage:  So  you  couldn't  negotiate  with  her  on  the  price   of   the  company? 

Whitfield:      Oh,    no.      We  negotiated  with  the   president  of   the   company. 
Lage:  How   did  you  find  him? 

Whitfield:     Arrogant.      Yes.      He   said,    "We've  got  no  problems  out  here;   we 
have  no   complaints."     Just   blatant.      I   almost    said,    "You  ought 
to  come  over  and  listen  to  my   phone   sometime."     The  funniest 
call   I  ever  had  was  from  a  beauty  operator  in  Miles.     Apparently 
they   shut   the  water  off   in  her  block.      She  called  up,    and  she 
was  just  livid.      Well,    she   called   Citizens  Utility  and  they 
wouldn't   pay   any   attention,     so   I   got  her   call    [laughs]. 

She   said,    "What  am   I   going  to   do?      I've   got  the   dye  on  this 
woman's   hair,    and   the  water's   shut   off."     I    said.    "All   I   can 
suggest  is  you  come  over  to  one   of  our  faucets  and   get   some 
water   to  wash  her  head."     I   said,    "We  have  no  jurisdiction  over 
them."      [laughter]      I   think  she  was   dying  this  woman's  hair  red 
or    something. 

Lage:  Oh,    it  must  have   come  out  wonderfully. 

Whitfield:     Well,   it  was   going  to  be  true  red. 
H 

Lage:  You  mentioned  Irene  Vincent,    and  the  Larrowe  history   mentions  Al 

Redd  as   being  on  this — 

Whitfield:     Al   Redd.    yes.    he's  passed  away.      He  lived  up  in  Niles   Canyon. 
Lage:  Were   they   pretty  forceful   individuals? 

Whitfield:      Irene  was.      Al   was  very    laid  back,    quiet;   he  had  ideas,    but 
Irene  was   the   one   that  held   things   together. 


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Lage:  What  kinds   of   things  would  she  take  on? 

Whitfield:      She'd  have  coffee  klatches  and  meetings.      In  fact,    they   wanted 
someone  from  the  water  district  to  have  a  community  meeting  in 
Niles  and  Decoto,    so  we  had  them   and  I  was  elected  to  do  the 
talking.     We  had  a  few   board  members  in  the  audience. 

Lage:  Now   this  was  before  the  takeover? 

Whitfield:  Yes. 

Lage:  Was  this  to  explain  your   options  to  them? 

Whitfield:  Yes,   just  what  we  would  do  if  we  took  them  over. 

Lage:  I   see.      They   had  to  pass  a  bond  issue? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      That's   the  one  where   they  had  to   pass   two  bend  issues 

because   the  first   one  wasn't  large  enough.      It  only  provided  for 
two  million  or  three  million  or  something,   and  the  costs  were 
greater    than   that. 

Lage:  It  ended  up  costing  you  more  than  you  had  anticipated? 

Whitfield:      Yes.     We  went  to  the   general   obligation  bond  on  the  first  one; 
the  second  one,    we  went  to  a  revenue  bond,    paid  out  of  water 
sales. 

What  I  had  to  tell  them — first  of   all,    we  knew   that  if  we 
didn't  take   them   over.    Citizens  Utility  was   probably   going  to 
spend  a  lot  of   money   to  put  in  a  new   system  because  they  were  so 
run  down.      Consequently,    if  we  waited  until   they   did  that,    then 
it  would  cost  us  much  more  money   to  take   them   over.      We 
explained  that   to   them. 

Then  there  was  a   controversy  as  to  whether  the  water  rates 
should  be  the   same  in  the  area  we  would  take   over  as  in  the 
remainder  of   the  district.      The  board  concluded,    and  I   think  it 
was  logical,    that  it  should  not  be   the   same   because  those   people 
all  had  been  paying  low    rates  for   their  service.      Not  everybody 
had  bad  service  in  Citizens  Utility,    but   the  ones   that  had  the 
worst  were  the  ones  that  screamed  the  most.      You  know,    maybe 
they  had  a  one  inch  line  in  front  of   their  house   or   something. 
So  we  had  to  tell  them  what  our  rates  would  be,    that  they  would 
be  higher  than  what   Citizens  Utility  was    charging  them. 

Lage:  I   see.      You  were  going  to  have  to  raise   their  rates. 

Whitfield:      See,   one  of   the  reasons  we  had  objections  was   because   some   of 

those   people  didn't  have  problems  with   their  water,    and  Citizens 
Utility  always  had  a  lot  lower  water  rates   than  we  had.      The 


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Whitfield:      reason  for  that  is  that  we  would  take  a  lot  of  our  revenues  and 
reinvest  them   in  replacing  old  pipes  and  putting  in  bigger   ones, 
building  reservoirs  and  all    that   kind   of   stuff. 

Lage:  They   gave  theirs  to  their  stockholders. 

Whitfield:     Yes.   that's  right. 

Lage:  Did  it  work  out   that  the  people  who  lived  in  that  area  paid  most 

of  the  price  for  the   district  to  take  it   over?      Or   did  the  whole 
district  have  to  absorb  it? 

Whitfield:     No,  we   created  a   separate  improvement   district.      In  other  words, 
we   set  an  improvement  district — like   the  first  bond  issue  we  had 
in  1955  was  over  the  entire   district.      That  was  for   $2.9 
million;  that  was  in  the  early   fifties.      That  was  the  biggest 
bend  issue   ever  floated  in  this  area,   and  it  was   passed  the 
first   time. 

Then,    as  time  went   on,    we've  had  other  areas  that  have  been 
annexed.      The  Warm  Springs  area  was  about  fifteen  hundred  acres 
so  we  had  a  bond  issue   for   them   to  pay    for   their  facilities. 
Then  we  created  an  improvement  district  including  Niles  and 
Decoto  and  the  area  in  between,    because  that  was  served  by 
Citizens  Utility. 

Citizens  Utility   has  a  map  they   file  with  the  Public 
Utilities  Commission  that   shows  what   their   service  area  is. 
They   threatened  to  sue   us  for  invading  their  service   area 
several   times.     In  certain  areas  that  we   served,   it  was 
questionable  whether  it  was  in  their  service  area  or  ours.      We 
had  facilities   near    there. 

But   I   forget  how   much  higher  the  water  rates  were  in  that 
area   than  they  were  in  the   balance   of   district.      There  was  no 
reason  why   the  balance   of    the  district   should  subsidize  them 
over   there,   because   they  had   the   benefit  of   all    the  lower  rates 
all   those  years.       [The  purchase   of   the  Citizens  Utility   system 
occurred  in  1976.] 

Lage:  Well,    then,    would  their  rates  have  gone  down  by  now,    or  are  they 

still  paying  off   their  improvements? 

Whitfield:     Oh.    they're   still   paying  off,    but    I   don't  know.      I   have   never 
specifically  asked  Roy   Coverdale,    the   district  manager,    if   the 
water  rates  are  the  same  as  in  the  rest  of   the  district  now.      At 
that  time,    the   differential  water  rate   situation  was   of 
considerable   concern.      Some  people  in  the  existing  district   felt 
that   they   should  be  able  to  vote  on  this   Citizens  Utility   take 
over.      Some   people  in  Citizens  Utility   area   thought  that   they 


107 


Whitfield:      should  vote  on  our  other  bend  issues.      The  area   that   Citizens 
was   serving  was  within  the  water  district  boundaries,    and  they 
had  the  legal   right  to  vote  for   directors. 

Lage:  Oh,    they   did?     Even  before  they  were — 

Whitfield:      Yes,    because   they  were  in  the   district.      That's   because    of   the 

ground  water  basin.      You  see,    the  surface   area  that  was  included 
in  the  district   originally  was   the  area   overlying  the   ground 
water    basin. 

Lage:  I   don't   understand,    then,    how    Citizens  Utility    got  a  foothold. 

Whitfield:     Because  we   didn't   get  into  the  water   distribution  service   until 
1930.      That  was  only  because   of    taking  over   that  plant  in 
Alvarado,    the   Peoples'  Water  Company,    the   old  Oakland  Water 
Company,    said  one   of    the  conditions  for  the  purchase  was  that  we 
serve  their  customers  in  Alvarado  and  Newark. 

Lage:  Then  did  Citizens  Utility  buy  water  from  you? 

Whitfield:     No,   we   didn't  have  a  pump  tax  in  those   days.      They  were  pumping 
from   the  ground  water  basin.      But  when  the  pump  tax  went  into 
effect,    then  they  had  to   pay  it.      Now,    the   people  that  lived  in 
Niles  and  Decoto  were  charged  our  ad  valorem   taxes.      But,    in 
those  days,    the  ad  valorem  tax  only  went  for  water  replenishment 
and   ground  water  rehabilitation. 

Lage:  So  they   did   get   some   benefit  from  it. 

Whitfield:     Well,    in  other  words,    the  water  that  Citizens  Utility  pumped 

from  the  ground  water  basin  under  Niles  and  Decoto  was   partially 
being  paid  for  by   the  ad  valorem   taxes,    before  we  had  a  pump 
tax.      Then,   when  the  pump  tax  came  in.    Citizens  Utility  had  to 
pay    the   pump  tax. 

Lage:  I   can  see  why   the  citizens  over  there,    the  consumers,    were 

confused — they   paid  taxes  to  you,   but  when  they   called  you  to 
complain,    you  said  you  had  no  jurisdiction. 

Whitfield:      They  never  pressured  me  enough  to   give   them   the  long 

explanation,    but   I'd  have  given  it  to  them.      But   this  woman  who 
called  about   the  redhead  with  her  head   getting  redder,    she 
wasn't  interested  in  theories  or   technicalities.       [laughter] 


Lage: 


She  just  wanted  you  to   get   down  there  with  a  bucket. 


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Perspective  on  Environmental    Impact  Reports 


Lage: 

Whitfield: 

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Whitfield: 


Lage: 
Whitfield: 

Lage: 

Whitfield: 

Lage: 

Whitfield: 

Lage: 
Whitfield: 


In  the  seventies  when  the  EIRs.  the  Environmental  Impact  Review 
reports,  came  into  the  law.  how  did  that  affect  you?  That  must 
have  affected  your  procedures? 

It  just  cost  you  more  money  because  you  have  to  go  out  and  hire 
a  consultant  to  write  an  EIR. 

Did  it   change  your   decisions,    or  make   any   other   substantial 
chan  ge  ? 

The  things   that  they   have  in  EIRs  are  exactly  what  we  do  all  the 
time  anyway.      We're  very   conscious  of   being  a  nuisance,    like 
digging  up  streets  and  all   that.        The  street  is  where  you  have 
the  legal   right  to  put   utilities,    even  private   utilities  have 
that   right.      But   EIRs   didn't   change    us   much.      If  you're  building 
a  reservoir  and  you  have  access  roads,    you've   got  to  water   the 
roads    down   so  you  don't   create  dust.      We've  always  bent   over 
backwards. 

So  a  lot  of   it  was  on  procedures,   net  basic  policies? 

No.      They  put  it  in  the  environmental   reports  what  we  were 
always   doing,    the  things   that  we  watch   out  for. 

You  had  to  have  more  public  hearings? 
Yes. 


Was  there  much  interest  in  the  hearings? 
before  on  the  pump  tax,    for  instance. 


You'd  had  hearings 


There  was  hardly  any   interest  in  the  EIRs  when  we  had  a  hearing. 
You  have  to  publish  a  notice   that  you  were   going  to  have   a 
hearing   en  an  EIR. 

Can  you  think  of   any   issue   that  was  handled  differently  because 
of   the  EIR  process? 

Well,    it   slows  you  down  a  little  bit  because  you've  got  to  get 
the  EIR  written,    and  you've   got  to  have   the  reviews  and  the 
hearings   and  all   that.      And  I   think  there's  a   condition  in  there 
for  emergency   types  of   things   that  you  can  do  by  notice   or 
something,    but   I   don't  remember   the  details  of    that.      But  all   it 
does  is  slew  you  down  in  accomplishing  your   plans.      In  other 
words,    if  you  plan  far  enough   ahead   (but   sometimes  you  can't 
plan  that   far  ahead)-- 


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Whitfield:     Legally,    the  water   district   didn't  have  to   go  to   bid.      We'd 

adopted  the   policy   that  for  projects  over  a  certain  cost  we'd  go 
to  bid.      Then  you'd   get  a   consultant  engineer  and  in   three  years 
from   now  you've  got  another  project  very   similar.      You  hire 
them,   and  they  take  the  EIR  and  rewrite  the  thing  with  the   same 
stuff    in  it.    just   change   the  name. 

Lage:  It's  more  just  procedural   paperwork,    as  far  as  you  can  see? 

Whitfield:     Yes.      It  may  be   that  there  are  public  agencies  and 

municipalities  that  were  doing  things  without  being  more 
conscious   of    the   public  relations  type   of   thing. 

It  would  cost  you — depending  upon  the  magnitude   of   the 
jobs — so  many   thousand  dollars  to  have  it  written.      For   certain 
jobs,   you  can  make  a  negative   declaration  and  you  file   that.     We 
had  a  lot  of   those.      They   were   smaller  jobs   that  you  didn't  have 
to  go  through  all   this  mishmash  with  the  EIRs.      Usually   the 
negative  declaration  was   done  by   the  water  district   staff. 

Lage:  For   smaller,    non-controversial  kinds  of   things? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 


Response   to  the  Drought  of   1977 


Lage:  We  just  briefly   mentioned  the  drought  last  time,    but   it  sounds 

as   if   there  might   be   something  of   interest  there. 

Whitfield:     Well,    it  was  interesting  because   the  district  was  put  on  the  pan 
by   Sacramento. 

Lage:  That  was  '76  and  '77,  wasn't  it? 

Whitfield:      Yes,    '77.      Everybody  was   going  into  water   conservation  and  water 
rationing.      Everybody   was   doing  that.      Because   of   our   ground 
water  basin,    we   didn't  have   that  kind  of  a  problem.      The  board 
didn't  want   to  put   in  rationing,    so  I  kind  of    talked  them   into 
the  fact  that,   you  know,    we   can't   be   the   only  one  in  the  Bay 
Area   that   doesn't  have  water   rationing. 

Lage:  Were  you  afraid  that  other  districts  would   come  and  buy  your 

water,    or  what  did  you — ? 

Whitfield:     We  had  approaches  from  Water  Resources,    or  somebody.      The  real 
problem   started  over  in  Marin   County,  where   they,   for  years, 
were  always  opposed  to  any   improvements  over  there.      They  voted 
down  bond  issue  after  bond  issue  for  building  up  their  water 


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Whitfield:     supply.      I  can  remember  when  they  were  building  the  roads   over 
there,    and  they   had  a  big  article  in  the  paper  where  these 
ecologists  were  out  laying  down  in  front   of   the  bulldozers   so 
they   wouldn't  bulldoze  all   the  trees   down  and  all   that  kind  of 
stuff. 

But   they   were  their  own  problem.      So  then  the  East  Bay   MUD 
[Municipal  Utilities  District]  volunteered  to  run  water  from 
their  system   over   the  Richmond-San  Rafael   bridge.      I   don't  knew 
who  paid  for  that;    I  think  Marin  County   got  a   grant  or   some 
thing.      We  were  asked  one  time  by   the  Water  Resources  Control 
Board  if  we  would  be  willing  to  share  our  water  with  others.      We 
said.    'Veil,    we'll  wait  until   the  time  comes  when  somebody  asks 
us." 

I  went  to  a  hearing.      It  was  over  in  Marin  County   some 
where.      I  forget  which  governmental   state  agency  was  hearing  it. 
We  had  adopted  a   tentative  rationing  policy. 

Lage:  And  this  was  more  for  public  relations,    is   that  it?     [laughs] 

Whitfield:     Yes.     But  the  board  said  they  would  adopt  the  policy,    with  the 
idea  that  it  would  not  be  initiated  for  a   time.      People  were 
really   worried,    though,    because  we  had  done  that.      We  had  little 
old  ladies   calling.    "Oh,    I've   got  an  azalea   plant   or 
rhododendron  out   there."     She   said,     "I   just    sneak  out  at  night 
and  I  take  a  bucket  of  water  and  water  my   azalea,    and  I'm   afraid 
I'm   going   to    get   arrested." 


What  we  had  done  was  we  would  charge  a  surcharge  for  any 
water   that  they  would  use   over   their  allocated  ration. 


Lage: 


MUD? 


Was  the  rationing  level   higher   than  it  was  in  the  East  Bay 


Whitfield:  Oh,  it  was  comparable.  I  think  it  doubled  the  amount  of  money 
you  paid  for  the  water  over  your  ration  level.  We  didn't  have 
any  shut- off  ability. 

Lage:  Well,    neither  did  the  East  Bay   MUD. 

Whitfield:     No,    it  was   comparable  to  those. 

Lage:  Did  you  feel  your  supply  was  in  no   danger?      Was   the   state   still 

giving  you  your  full  amount? 

Whitfield:      Yes,   we  were    getting  our  entitlements. 

Lage:  Did  you  foresee   a  future  problem   if   another  year  of  drought  had 

continued? 


Ill 


Whitfield:     No,  we   didn't. 

Lage:  So  things  were  still  working  pretty  well. 

Whitfield:     One  night,    one  of   the  board  members   came  in — I  forget  who  it 
was — and  decided  that  we   should  just  delay   indefinitely  the 
mandatory   rationing.      And  they   did.      This   get  into  the  news 
papers,    and  it  got  to  Sacramento.       [laughs] 

Lage:  Then  what  happened? 

Whitfield:     Well,    we  never  imposed  the  mandatory   rationing.      But  they  were 
terribly   upset  because  here's   the  rest  of   the    state  with 
rationing  and  we're  just   saying  we're  not  going  to  set  a   time 
for  putting  in  the  rationing.      Then  we   got  into  a  problem 
because  even  under  the  voluntary   rationing,    the  water  sales  went 
down,    so  our  revenues  went  down.      So,    consequently,    we  had  to 
raise   rates   a  little  bit. 

We  had  people  coming  in  with  all  kinds  of   ideas  on  how  to 
save  water,   you  know:      brushing  your  teeth  in  a  glass  and  don't 
let  the  water  run  in  the  sink,    and  flush  your   toilet  only  so 
many   times  a   day. 

Lage:  Well,    there  was   so  much  publicity   that  even  though  you  didn't 

have  a   problem   people  were   conscious   of  it. 

Whitfield:     Oh,    and  then  one  board  member  got  the  idea  of   selling  water 
rationing — some  water  rationing  idea.      So  we   bought  these 
plastic  bottles,    and  we  put  in  our  newsletter  and  everything,    to 
put  these  in  the   back  of  your  toilet   so  that  it'll   save  maybe  a 
gallon  of  water  each   time  you  flushed.      That  didn't  appeal   to 
anybody.     We  were   charging,    I  think,   a   dollar  for  it.      Then  we 
decided  to  give  them   away,    and  so  we  had  a  lot  of   people  do 
that. 

So  that  got  all   in  the  newspapers,    and  the  state  people 
were   saying,    "You  know,   you're  buying  state  water,    and  you 
should  ration  it  like   everybody   else."     We  said,    'K)ur 
consumption  has   gone   down."     So  then  I  went  to  a  meeting  in 
Marin  County.      It  may   have  been  a  Water  Resource  Control  Board 
meeting.     None  of  our  board  members  went.      I  had  to  explain  why 
we   didn't   set  mandatory    rationings. 

Lage:  How   did  you  handle  it? 

Whitfield:  Oh,  I  can't  remember.  I  just  told  them,  "Well,  we  didn't  think 
it  was  that  serious  in  our  area."  'Veil,  what  about  saving  it? 
If  you  have  that  much  water,  why  can't  you  sell  it  to  somebody 


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Whitfield:  else?"  I  said,  "When  the  time  comes  and  it's  a  feasible  project 
to  help  somebody  out.  we'd  probably  do  it.  But  we're  not  facing 
that  issue  until  that  time  comes.11 

Lage:  If  yeu  didn't  use  a  certain  amount  of  water,    wouldn't  it  end  up 

in  the  bay?      And  if  you  saved  a  great  deal   of  water  and  you're 
still   getting  your  input   from   the  state — ? 

Whitfield:     But  we  got  that  condition  changed — remember   I  told  you  that — on 
Table  A  where   they   said.    "If  you  don't   use   it  in  one   specific 
year  when  you're  supposed  to,    then  you  only  have   the   next  year 
to  use  it."     Well,    we  got  that  eliminated. 

Lage:  I   see.      So  you  wouldn't  have  to  take   the   state  water. 

Whitfield:  No.  so  we  could  build  it  up  and  we  could  take  it  in  subsequent 
years.  I  think  all  the  state  contracts  have  changed  that  now. 
I  don't  know  why  they  didn't  do  that  in  the  first  place. 

Lage:  Anything  else  about  the  drought?      It  sounds  as  if  it  made  your 

water   conservation  program  look  good. 

Whitfield:      It   did,  yes.      In  fact,    I   think  our   people   should  be   complimented 
because   they    really   took  it   seriously.     They   were  worried  about 
what  was   going  to  happen. 

Lage:  Has  that  lower  level   of   consumption  remained? 

Whitfield:      It's   gone   back  up  some,    but   I    think   it's    still    effective. 

Lage:  I   think  everyone's   mere   conscious   than  we  used  to  be. 

Now  are  there  any  other  issues   that  you  think  we've  missed? 
That  was  about  all   I  have  en  my   list. 

Whitfield:     Well.    I'm  telling  you.   you  reminded  me   of   a  lot  of   them   that 
I've  forgotten.      We've  been  talking  about   the  fifties  and  the 
sixties.     But   I  was   thinking  about   the  little  water   companies, 
the  private  ones  we  took  over  earlier,    like   the  Centerville 
water  system.     Before  the  water  district  got  into  water   distri 
bution,    Centerville  had  the  Pierce   system   and  the  Dusteberry 
system.      Then  there  was  a  Hirsch  system  in  Irvington  that  we 
took  over. 

Lage:  When  would   these  have   been? 

Whitfield:     They   were  all   taken  over  before  I  came,    and  I   came  in  October 
•50. 

Lage:  So   slowly    the  district  has  enlarged  its   service   area. 


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Whitfield:      Yes.      They  took  over   the   smaller,    privately-owned  companies, 


Relations  with  Cities  and  Citizens  Groups 


Lage :  To  wind  up,    let's  look  at  some  of   the  general  questions  that 

have   come  up  as  we  were  talking.      We've  looked  at  how  you  dealt 
with   the  city   of   Fremont  in  various  instances.      What  about 
Newark  and  Union  City?      Did  you  have  many  dealings  with  the   city 
councils  there  or  city  departments? 

Whitfield:      Fremont  was  probably  the  one  that  was  more  aggressive  in  trying 
to  push   ideas  on  us.      You  know,    I   told  you  about   Conway  and 
Culligan  and  some  of  the  Warm  Springs  area  and  that  kind  of 
thing.      In  the  city   of   Fremont   I   think  seme  of   the  officials 
were  more  in  favor  of   using  Hetch  Hetchy  water.      In  fact,   Don 
Dillon,    who  lives   up  a  block  and  was  a  councilman,    was  in  favor 
of  Hetchy  water.      He  was  against  the   ground  water  basin.      I 
guess  he  was  one   of   the  original    council  men. 

The  city  staff  at   that   time  were  way   ahead  of   their  era. 
They   were  high   class  municipal   management  and  engineers. 

Lage:  People  you  had  respect  for? 

Whitfield:  Well,  what  I'm  saying — they  were  too  aggressive  when  they  first 
came  in.  They  were  pie-in-the-sky  stuff,  and  they  were  pushing 
for  Hetchy  water. 

Lage:  Could  you  mention  any  names?      Would  it  have  been  the  city 

manager? 

Whitfield:     Yes,   Bob  Coop. 

Lage:  What  about    [assistant  city   manager]   Larry  Milnes?     Was  he  there 

from   the  beginning? 

Whitfield:     No,   he's  the  second  one.      But  he  is  a  top  man.      He's  sharp.      He 
came  from   over  in  the  valley;  he  was  well-versed  in  ground  water 
replenishment  because   they   do  it  over  there.      So  he  backed  the 
ground  water. 

Lage:  He  seems  like   a  really   good  public  servant. 

Whitfield:      Oh,    yes.      Whenever  we  had  any  problems  with  the   city   or  he  had 
anything,   we'd  give  each   other  a  buzz.      Never  a  problem. 

Lage:  That's   the  way  you  like  to   see  it  work. 


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Whitfield: 


Yes.    that's   the  way  it   should  work.      Management    shouldn't   take 
all   this   stuff  politically.      I   stayed  out   of   politics.      dark 
Redeker's   en  our   board,    and   I'd  known   dark  Redeker  for  years. 
He's  a   chemist.      He  was  on  the  city   council    in  Newark,    and  a 
former  mayor.      Frank  Borghi  is  from   Decoto.     He  was  a   trustee   of 
the  Washington  High  School   District  for  years.      Let's   see.    those 
are   the  only   people   that  have   been  involved  in   politics    before. 


Lage: 


Did  that  affect  how    they   dealt  with  things  on  the  board? 
fact   they   came  from  a  political   background? 


The 


Whitfield:     They're  old-timers  from   those   areas.     A  lot  of   old-timers  know 
them,   and  they   used  to  needle   them   every  once  in  a  while. 
They'd   come   in  and  want   to  check  en  this  and  that. 

Very  frankly,    all   the  board  directors   that   came  on.    every 
body   always  was  taken  over   to   support  the  recharging  of   the 
ground  water   basin. 

Lage:  That's  what  it   sounded  like.      I  noticed  when  you  retired — I 

didn't  write  down  who  made  the  comment,   but  one  of   the   comments 
was   complimenting  you  for  educating  them. 

fl 

Lage:  You  mentioned  outside   committees  of   experts  at  one  time  and  how 

some  of   them  were   difficult  to  work  with.      Then  you  particularly 
complimented  the  League  of  Women  Voters  for  being  good  to  work 
with. 

Whitfield:     There  are  a  lot  of   people  who  think  they  know   how   to  do  things, 
but  the  League  of  Women  Voters  have  their  water  committee,   and 
they   used  te  meet  with  me  regularly.      We'd  have  a  meeting  and 
they'd  ask  questions,    and   I'd  answer   them.      They  were  interested 
in  trying  te  understand.      They   were  never  a  pushy   group;    they 
were  a  bunch  of   nice  ladies  with   good  heads  on  their   shoulders. 

Lage:  Would  they   be  wanting  to  take   stands  on  bond  issues  or  take 

stands  on  flueridatien  issues?      Is   that  why   they'd   come  to  you? 

Whitfield:      I   den't   think  they    took  a    stand  en  fluoridation.      I   don't   think 
they   even  took  a   stand  on  the   Citizens  Utility   thing. 

They   were  an  educational   group,    and  they   listened.      They 
were  trying  te  find  out  if  there  were   things   that   they  would 
oppose   or  endorse. 

Lage:  The  final    topic  I   had  planned  was  the  board  of   directors,   but   I 

think  you've   pretty  well  made   comments  on  that,    unless   there's 
something  you  want   to  add. 


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Whitfield:      I   don't   know   whether   I  mentioned  this,   but   the   sanitary   district 
just  went   to  a  vote  on  whether   their  directors  should  run  at 
large,    or  whether   they   should  be  from   districts.     Our  board 
never  went  for  districts.      They   never  thought  of    it  very 
seriously,    but  when  someone  retired  or  died  or   something  on  the 
board  they   tried  to  pick  someone  from   that  area  where  he  was 
from. 

Lage:  So  it  was  fairly  well  distributed? 

Whitfield:      Yes.      We've  had  two  men  from   Irvington  in  the   past.      We've 

always  had  someone  from   Alvarade  or  Decote — at  least  since  I've 
been  on  here. 

Lage:  So  they   had  a   sense   of   the  districts,    but   no  district  elections. 

Whitfield:     No.      They  ran  at  large,    so  you'd  vote... 

Lage:  Did  they   usually   run  unopposed,    or  were  there  contests? 

Whitfield:      Oh,    there  were   contests.      In  fact,    after   I  retired  I  ran,    and  I 
lest    by    fifty-eight  votes. 

Lage:  You  wanted  to   get  into  the  policy-making  side? 

Whitfield:     Well,    I  kind  of   thought  I  wanted  to  keep  my   finger  in  the  pie. 

Lage:  It  would  have  been  very   different,    I  would  think,  having 

somebody   with  your  background  and  sense  of   all  the  technical 
aspects. 

Whitfield:     The  fellow    that  beat  me  was  Joe  Damos.      He's  a  local   fellow,    an 
engineer.      He's  with  East  Bay   MUD.      I  was  pleased  to   see  that  he 
get   in  because   he's  an  engineer.      They've   never   had  an  engineer 
on  the  board. 

Lage:  How    about  your  retirement?      Was  there  a  particular  reason  for 

picking  the  time  you  did  to  retire? 

Whitfield:      I  just  felt  that  I  had  been  at  it  long  enough.      Stan  Say  lor,    who 
was  my  assistant  engineer,    I  felt  was  very  qualified  to  take 
over. 

Lage:  And  you  recommended  that  he  be   chosen? 

Whitfield:     Yes. 

Lage:  At  least  from   the  board  minutes,    that  didn't  seem   to  be   contro 

versial. 


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Whitfield:  They  gave  him  a  more  difficult  time  than  they  gave  me  because  I 
was  a  native  and  an  old-timer.  I  knew  most  of  these  people  for 
years. 

Lage:  Made  it  easier. 

Whitfield:     I  was  very   fortunate,    though,    in  the  quality  of   directors.      We 
were   particularly  fortunate  that  we   never  had  any  activists  on 
there.      I   think  the  only  one   that  came  on  the  board  with  a 
particular  purpose  was  John  Pihl,   who  was  an  excellent  man.      He 
was  kind  of   hard  headed,    but   once  he  got  confidence   in  you. 
things  worked  out  fine. 

If 


Transcriber:        Anne  Schofield 
Final   Typist:      David  Pollock 


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TAPE  GUIDE  —  Mathew   P.   Whitfield 


Interview  1:  May  29.   1986 

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APPENDIX 
118 

NOTES  ON  HISTORY  AND  OPERATION  OF 
ALAMEDA  COUNTY  WATER  DISTRICT 

August  1979 


Alameda  County  Water  District  was  founded  in  19H  to  protect  the  Niles  Cone 
Ground  Water  Basin  and  to  conserve  the  waters  of  Alameda  Creek.  The  District's 
original  objective  was  to  prevent  further  appropriation  of  Alameda  Creek  water 
supply  for  export  to  San  Francisco. 

On  March  31,  1930  ACWD  purchased  the  Alvarado  Pumping  Station  for  $250,000  from 
East  Bay  Municipal  Utility  District  to  reduce  ground  water  pumping.  ACWD  then 
found  itself  in  the  business  of  distributing  water  as  well  as  conserving  it. 
With  the  purchase  of  the  Alvarado  Tract  ACWD  also  contracted  to  serve  the  water 
needs  of  the  people  of  Alvarado  and  Newark.   Once  the  district'was  in  the 
distribution  business  it  expanded  by  purchasing  municipal  water  systems  of  the 
towns  within  its  service  areas.   By  1950  ACWD  was  the  major  distributor  of  water 
in  Washington  Township. 

CHRONOLOGICAL  HIGHLIGHTS  OF  ACWD'S  HISTORY  INCLUDE: 
1911«      ACWD  organized 
1930      Purchase  of  Alvarado  Pumping  Station 

1938  Purchase  of  Irvington  Water  System 

1939  Purchase  of  CentervJlle  Water  System 

19*»0  Purchase  of  Gal  legos  (Mission  San  Jose)  Water  System 

19l»9  Filed  for  rights  for  surplus  water  from  Alameda  Creek 

1951  Mission  San  Jose  area  annexed 

1955  Warm  Springs  area  annexed 

1956  Filed  for  rights  for  surplus  water  from  Arroyo  del  Valle 
1958  New  office  center  opened 

1961  ACWD  signed  contract  for  South  Bay  Aqueduct  water 

1962  First  delivery  of  South  Bay  Aqueduct 

1963  VII  Hills  annexation 

196*4      Contract  with  San  Francisco  for  water  supply 


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History  of  ACWD  August  1979 

1967      Office  complex  enlarged 

1971  Manuel  J.  Bernardo  Softening  Plant 

1972  Fabridam  No.  1 

197*4  Aquifer  Reclamation  Program  starts 

1975  Fabridam  No.  2 

1975  Mission  San  Jose  Water  Treatment  Plant 

1976  Purchase  of  Citizens  Utilities  Company  Niles-Decoto  System 
1976  New  Chemistry  Lab  Building 

GENERAL  OPERATING  INFORMATION: 

Service  Area  -  Fremont,  Newark  and  Union  City,  96  Sq  .  Miles 

Population     195,000 

Customers      50,886  as  of  May,  1979 

Water  Sales    $6,880,766  (June  1978  -  May  1979) 

Personnel      119  Full-time,  10  Part-time  and  Temporary 

Miles  of  Pipe  5^6  Miles  (1978) 

Average  Daily  Consumption  -  26.5  MGD  (July  1978  -  June  1979) 

Maximum  Day  Consumption  -  5*»-0  MGD  (July  13,  1979) 

Ultimate  Sources  of  Supply: 

Niles  Cone  Ground  Water  Basin  Yield     20,000  AF  per  year 
State  Water  Project  *»2,000 

San  Francisco  Water  Department         1  0  .  00°  _ 

72,000  AF  per  year 

Sources  of  Distribution  System  Production  in  1979-80,  projected: 


Ground  Water       15,525  AF 

MSJWTP  8,037        26* 

SFWD  7.810        25% 

31,372  AF     100$ 
or  28.0  MGD 


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History  of  ACWD  August  1979 

Detailed  information  on  the  District's  existing  production  and  storage  facilities 
is  shown  on  the  attached  appendices. 

Reflection  of  the  District's  growth  is  shown  in  the  following  comparisons  of 
meters  installed  in  the  system. 

June,  1969  30,669 

1970  32,5^7 

1971  34,339 

1972  36,537 

1973  37,911 

1974  38,812 

1975  40,1*41 

1976  41,984 

1977  ^7,065  (including  ID  #5  3,403  meters) 

1978  48,905 

1979  51,112 

The  District's  total  budgets  for  the  past  ten  years  have  been: 

1969-70  $  3,921,626 

1970-71  4,708,770 

1971-72  5,486,196 

1972-73  6,875,498 

1973-74  9,439,157 

1974-75  7,462,464 

1975-76  10,138,795 

1976-77  12,244,768 

1977-78  13,897,841 

1978-79  16,182,697 

1979-80  20,433,377 

The  breakdown  for  the  1979-80  budget  (which  includes  funding  for  future  projects) 
is: 

Conservation  General  Fund  $  5,601,340 

Distribution  General  Fund  8,700,487 

I.D.  No.  5  786,177 
Major  Facilities  Improvement 

Program  5,148,569 
1.0.  No.  5  Capital  Improvement 

Program  196,804 

Customer  Connection  Charges  and  Estimates  are  shown  on  the  attached  sheet. 
Other  rates  and  charges  include: 

Account  Establishment  Charge         $    11 

Meter  Installation  Charges  (5/8")         70 

ii    n    ii   it    it  it   (V1)          1 90 

Delinquent  Water  Service  Charge  10 

Returned  Check  Charge  8 


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His  troy  of  ACWD  August  1979 

The  resolution  spelling  out  rates  and  charges  is  attached  which  includes  rate 
schedules  for  service  inside  the  District,  outside  the  District,  for  exclusive 
San  Francisco  Water  Department  users,  for  ID  5,  for  batteries  of  meters,  private 
fire  services  and  public  fire  services. 

Replenishment  Assessment  (for  ground  water  pumped)  - 

Agriculture  and  City  Recreation  Uses:       $  8  per  acre  foot 
Municipal,  Industrial,  Other  Uses:  **1   " 

The  present  Board  of  Directors,  with  lengths  of  service  is: 

Frank  J.  Borghi,  Jr.,  President  -  February  8,  1962  to  Present 

Harry  D.  Brumbaugh,  Vice  President  -  March  22,  1966  to  Present 

Clark  Redeker,  March  2,  196*4  to  Present 

John  Gomes,  May  12,  1966  to  Present 

Carl  Strandberg,  November  k,  1969  to  Present 


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Regional   Oral  History  Office 
The  Bancroft  Library 


University   of   California 
Berkeley.    California 


THE   PATTERSON  FAMILY  AND  RANCH: 
SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA   COUNTY  IN   TRANSITION 


Wallace   R.    Pond 


The  Pattersons  and  the  Incorporation  of   Fremont 


An  Interview   Conducted  by 
Ann  Lage 
in  1987 


Copyright 


1988  by   the  Regents   of    the  University  of   California 


WALLACE   R.    POND 


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TABLE  OF  CONTENTS  —  Wallace  R.    Pond 

INTERVIEW    HISTORY  124 

BIOGRAPHICAL    INFORMATION  125 

Third  Generation  Pharmacist  in  Alameda   County  126 

Chairing  the  Study   Committee  for  the  Incorporation  of 

Fremont  127 

Opposition  to  Incorporation  from  Large  Landowners 
Efforts  to  Promote   Incorporation 
Meeting  with  Will  and  Henry   Patterson:      "In  the  Best  Interest 

of    the  Community" 
In  the  Wake   of  Incorporation:      Development,    Traffic,   and 

City   Politics  136 

TAPE  GUIDE  1AO 


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INTERVIEW  HISTORY  —  Wallace  R.  Pond 


Wally  Pond,  a  third  generation  pharmacist  in  Alameda  County  and 
prominent  civic  leader,  was  suggested  as  an  interviewee  in  this  project 
for  his  recollections  of  the  role  of  the  Patterson  family  in  the 
incorporation  of  Fremont.   In  the  wake  of  the  rapid  postwar  development, 
community  leaders  of  five  small  unincorporated  towns  of  Washington 
Township  began  in  the  early  1950s  to  discuss  unification  and  incorporation. 
Mr.  Pond  served  as  chairman  of  the  study  committee  for  incorporation. 

In  his  oral  history.  Mr.  Pond  notes  that  the  major  opposition  to 
incorporation  came  from  the  large  landowners  and  that  winning  the  support  of 
the  Patterson  brothers — Henry  and  Will — was  crucial  to  gaining  the  trust  of 
this  important  group.   He  then  recounts  the  visit  of  the  incorporation 
committee  to  the  Patterson  Ranch  and  the  response  of  the  two  brothers. 

Mr.  Pond's  interview  is  of  interest  not  only  because  of  its  information 
about  the  Pattersons,  but  also  for  the  insight  gained  into  the  Washington 
Township  community  in  the  postwar  years  and  the  attitude  of  community 
leaders  toward  development  and  change.  He  also  relates  how  the  boundaries 
of  Fremont  were  set,  explaining  why  the  Patterson  Ranch  was  divided  between 
Fremont  and  Newark,  and  provides  some  insight  to  the  competitive 
relationship  between  the  cities  of  Newark  and  Fremont. 

Mr.  Pond  has  been  interviewed  previously  on  his  role  in  the 
incorporation  of  Fremont.  The  tapes  of  that  interview  are  available  in  the 
Fremont  Public  Library.   The  following  interview  was  conducted  at  Mr.  Pond's 
home  in  Fremont  on  April  10,  1987.   Mr.  Pond  reviewed  the  transcript,  making 
no  substantive  changes.   The  tape  is  available  in  The  Bancroft  Library. 


Ann  Lage 

Interviewer/Editor 
Project  Director 


September.   1988 

Regional  Oral  History  Office 

The  Bancroft  Library 

University  of  California  at  Berkeley 


Regional  Oral  History  Office  University  of  California 

Room  ^86  The  Bancroft  Library  Berkeley,  California  94720 

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BIOGRAPHICAL  INFORMATION 
(Please  print  or  write  clearly) 


c  &  R  .  P  D 


Your  full  name 

Date  of  birth   /ft  *  Cf  if 2—   Place  of  birth  Ke^S^Y  ^; 

Father's  full  name     f\  1*1  fa  Q  V  Q 
Birthplace 


Occupation        H  *  AM  A  <-\S 


Mother's   full  name        AJ    »  2-  ^<—  0    L- 

Birthplace 


Occupation  ~0U$-&t*/  I 


/ 


Where  did  you  grow  up   ?          /  *>  U  /"*/  6-T*)  */  (_  f-QjS  A*  O^T   ) 

Present  community  i     ^^  A7  Q  »^T" 

Education 


Occupation(s) 


Special  interests  or  activities 


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Third  Generation  Pharmacist  in  Alameda   County 
[Date  of  Interview:     April  10,   1987]    tf# 


Lage:     You  started  to  mention  that  you  are  a  third-generation  Californian, 
so  let's   start  with   that  as  a  background. 

Pond:     Well,    yes  I  am.      I'm  kind  of   proud  of   that.      My  grandmother  was  born 
in  California.      Her  folks   came  in   covered  wagons.      I   think  they 
arrived  in  California  in  1853,    if   I'm  net  mistaken.      We  always   called 
my  grandfather  "the  foreigner";  he   came  from  Vermont.      [laughter]      He 
toe  was  a   pharmacist,    so  I'm  a  third-generation  pharmacist  in  Alameda 
County. 

Lage:     They   came  to  Alameda   County? 

Pond:     They   came   to  Alameda   County   in  1898.      There  were  three  buildings  en 
the  University   of   California   campus:     North  Hall.    South  Hall,   and 
Bacon  Hall.      North  Hall  was   gone  when  I  was  there,    and  either  South 
or  Bacon  is   gone  now,    I   don't  know  which  one. 

Lage:     Only   South  Hall   is  left. 

Pond:     The  steam   trains   used  to  come  into  Berkeley   in  those   times. 

Lage:      Did  your  family  have  a  tie  with  the  university?      You  went  there,    is 
that  right? 

Pond:     Yes,   just  for  two  years.      I  took  a   pre-med  after  I  finished  pharmacy 
school.      Then  I  met  a  woman,   and  that  took  care   of   those   plans  I 

Lage:     You  were  born  in  Kelseyville,    though.      How   did  you  get   to  Kelseyville 
from  Alameda  County? 

Pond:     Well,    my  dad  went  to  Woodland  Grammar  School,   Berkeley  High,    and 

pharmacy  school.      He  bought  a  drug  store  in  Kelseyville  in  1910.      In 
1911   he  married  my   mother.      In  1912   I  came  along,    and  I  spent  the 
first  four  years   of   my  life  in  Kelseyville,    the   second  four  in 
Berkeley,    and  at  age  eight  I  arrived  in  Fremont    (or  Irvington,    as  it 
was  then). 

Lage:      Se  you've  really  been  essentially   raised  in  this  area. 

Pond:      The  Bay  Area  all   my  life,    really,   except  for   the  first  four  years. 


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Chairing  the  Study   Committee  for   the   Incorporation  of   Fremont 


Lage:  We're  skipping  way  ahead  here,  but  give  us  a  little  background  on  the 
incorporation  of  Fremont — when  it  occurred,  and  what  your  role  was  in 
it. 

Pond:     Well,    after   I   got  through  pharmacy  school.    I  worked  mostly  in  Oakland 
and  Berkeley.      I  was  in  the   service  for  a  while,   and  then   I  returned 
to   Fremont   in  1950.      I   bought  my   dad's   drug  store.    This,    of   course, 
was  after  World  War  II.      It  was  a  time  when  rapid  development  was 
taking  place;   we  were  recovering  from   the  war.    and  everything  was  go. 
go.    go.      You   could  see  it  was   going  to  happen  out  here  although  we 
never  dreamed  it  was   going  to  be  like   it  is.      But  we  started  to  talk 
about   the   city,   just  in   general,    somewhere   along  1950   or  so. 

Lage:     Who  were  the  people  talking  about   it.    the  chamber  of   commerce   folks? 

Pond:     Well,   just  everybody  in   general,   in  a   casual  way.      Somebody  would 
say,    "Well,    gee  whiz,    with  this   growth  we're  going  to  have  to  do 
something.      Maybe  we   should  think  about  incorporation."     Well,    this 
was  all  very   casual;   nothing  was  done  until   the  Niles  Chamber  of 
Commerce  had  the  CORO  Foundation,   which  I  believe  comes  from  the 
University   of    California,    do  a   survey.      As   I   recall,    it  didn't   cost 
them  anything  because  it  was  mostly  done   by   graduate   students  as   part 
of   their  work.      That  was  the  first  official   thing  ever  done.      The 
CORO  Foundation  report   came  back  and   said  that  every  one   of   these 
towns   could  incorporate  independently,    but  the  wiser  course  would  be 
to  incorporate  as  a   single   unit,   which  is  what  we  finally   did.     As   a 
result  of   that  a  meeting  was   called  by  the  Niles  Chamber  of   Commerce. 
We  met  at  Washington  High  School,   and   I  was  elected   chairman. 

Lage:      Chairman  of   the  Incorporation  Committee? 

Pond:      At  that  time  it  was   the   Incorporation  Study   Committee.      It  wasn't  a 

committee  for  incorporation.      We  proceeded  to  work  on  the  boundaries. 
I  had  a  boundary   chairman,    chairman  for  a   name,    chairman  for  taxes, 
and  two  or   three   other  chairmen.      We  were  proceeding  with  the  study. 
We  got  some  very  helpful  ideas  from   the  University   of   California;    I 
don't  know   what  department   published  it,    but  it  was  called 
"Incorporation  or  Annexation."  if   I  remember   correctly.      That  was  our 
original   bible,    you  might  say. 

Lage:     Another  study   that — ? 

Pond:     No.    it  wasn't  a   study;  it  was   something  that  was   done   on  a   general 
basis  for  any  city.      It  wasn't   directed  to   Fremont  at  all.      It  was 
just  information  that  could  be   used  any   place   in  the  state,    even 
today,    although   things  have   probably   changed  a  lot  from   then.      It 


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Pond:     was  designed  for  when  you  want  to  think  about  incorporation — are  you 
better  off   annexing?      In  other  words,    it  gave  the  pros  and  cons  of 
things  you  need  to  look  for. 

Lage:      Sounds  like   Institute  for  Governmental    Studies  work  to  me. 

Pond:      It    could  have   been.      Anyway,    once  again,    that  was  out  of    the 
University   of    California      We   used   that. 

The  incorporation  studies   began  probably   in  1952.      Then 
somewhere  along  the  line,    maybe  '54,   Hayward  filed  annexation — I 
should  back  up  for  a  minute.      Our  original   plan   called  for 
incorporation  of   all   of  what  is  now   Newark,   Union  City,   and  Fremont. 
Then  somewhere  along  the  line  Newark  decided  they   didn't  want  any 
part  of   it  and  decided  to  form   their  own  city.      They    figured  they   had 
all   the  industry  down  there,   and  they  would  be   tax-rich,    and  we  would 
be   tax-poor.      They    made   one  big  oversight,    and  that  was   that  PG&E  had 
more  assessed  valuation  than  all   their  industries   combined,    so  we 
w  eren1 1  tax-poor. 

Lage:      PG&E  was  located  in  Washington  Township    (now   in  Fremont). 

Pond:      Yes.      It   still  has  a  sub-station  down  there.      There's  a   big  sub 
station,    and  all   the  power  lines   go  into  that  station;   they   still  do, 
like   spokes  to  the  hub  of    a  wheel. 

Lage:     And  that  provided  as  much   taxes? 

Pond:      Yes,    so  our  tax  rate  has   always   been  lower   than  Newark's.      I    don't 
know   about   recent  years,    but  all   the  early  years  our  tax  rate  was 
lower   than  Newark's. 

So  I  tried  to  get  Newark  to  be  a  part  of  it,   but  no  way.     And 
then  Hayward  filed  to  annex  part  of  what  is  now  Union   City.      So  we 
separated  ourselves  from  Union  City  because  we  figured  that  if 
Hayward  and  we  were  involved  in  Union  City  it  would  result  in 
litigation  and   delay   our   incorporation  for  years. 

Lage:      I   see.      If  you  had  a   controversial   section. 

Pond:     That's   right.      We'd  have   to   suspend  the  plans   until   this  was 

resolved,  and  you  know  how    these   things   can   go  on.      So  we   dropped 
Union  City.     The  boundaries  were  determined  by   school   district,   which 
would  be  Decoto  school   district  and  Alvarado   school    district. 

You  see,    our   own  incorporation  map  was  done  without  charge  by  an 
engineer,   Bill  Dutra  his  name  was,   and  he  said  the   simple  way  to   do 
it  would  be   to  just  follow    the  boundaries  of   the  school   districts. 
Then  we  wouldn't  have  to   do  any  surveying  because   the   description  was 
already   there.      So  that's  what  we  have.      We  have  five  towns,    but   six 


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Pond:     school  districts  because   there  is  an  Alviso  school   district  which  is 
between  Centerville  and  Alvarado,    or  was  at  that  time.      So  we  just 
followed   the   boundaries. 

Lage:     Did  Alviso   go  with  Fremont? 

Pond:      It  did.      It  is  part  of  Fremont. 

Lage:     The  Newark  area  had  its  own  school   district? 

Pond:     Newark  had  its   own,   and  Decoto  had  one,   and  Alvarado  had  one.      Union 
City   didn't  exist  at  that  time;   it  was  Decoto  and  Alvarado. 

Lage:      So  you  dropped  Decoto  and  Alvarado. 

Pond:     That's  how  we  got  down  to  the  present  boundaries. 

Lage:     Let's  make   this  specific  to  the   Patterson  Ranch.      On   the    phone    I 

asked  you  why  the  Patterson  Ranch  was  divided  in  two  between  Newark 
and  Fremont.     You  told  me   that  was   probably  because   that's  where  the 
school    district   lines  went. 

Pond:     I  would  guess  that.     It  would  have  to  be  that  way.     Yes,   we  followed 
school   district  lines  in  forming  the   boundaries   of   Fremont. 

Lage:     Now,   was  there  a  lot  of   controversy  about  accepting  the  idea  of 
incorporation? 

Pond:     Not  really.      The  fact  that  it  passed  by  two  to  one,    I  think,    is 

indicative   of   the   general   acceptance.      Two  things  happened.      First  of 
all,    there  was  a  lot  of  growth,    and  people  knew   that  we  were  going  to 
have  to  do  something  someday,    somehow.      And  we  were  only  a   study 
committee,   not  a  committee  for  incorporation;  we  determined  the 
wisdom  of  incorporation.     But  when  Hayward  filed   that  annexation  of 
part  of   the  property   that  we  were  going  to  take  into  Fremont,    they 
did  us  a   great  favor  because   that  scared  hell  out   of   everybody,    if   I 
might   say   so,    and  anybody  who  might  have  been  against  it  was  now   for 
it. 


Opposition  to  Incorporation  from  Large  Landowners 


Pond:     The  only   people  who  were  against  it  were  a  number  of   the  large  land 
owners.      As   chairman  I  was,    of   course,    ex  officio  member  of   all 
committees.     There  was  one  man  who  wanted  to  create  Fremont  by   a 
circle  surrounding  each  of   the  little   settlements  or  towns  and  a 
connector  along  the  highway,   and  leave  the  rest  of   it  open  spaces 
belonging   to   nobody. 


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Lage:     And  that  would  leave   the  ranches  out? 

Pond:     All   the   ranches  out.      And  he  wasn't  a   rancher,    he  was  a   dentistl      I 

argued,    let's  leave  everybody  in  and  let   them  ask  to  be   excluded.      At 
the  hearing  before  the  board  of   supervisors  about   three  different 
groups  asked  to   be  excluded,   and  none  was  accepted. 

Lage:     What   groups  would  they   have  been?      Can  you  recall? 

Pond:      I  can  only  recall  one,   and  that  was  the  McClure  family  whose   property 
is  on  top  of   the  mountain  up  there  on  Mission  Peak.     They    requested 
to  be  out  because   their  land  was   all  hill  land.     But  our  point  was 
that  it  would  be  very   difficult   to  exclude  because  we  had  a 
description  of  school   districts,   and  they  were  in  the  school 
district,    so  therefore  they   ought  to  be   in  the  proposed  city.      So 
nobody  was  excluded. 

I   think,    but   I'm  not  positive  about   this,    that  PG&E   also 
protested;   it  was  also   disallowed.      Then,    when  Newark  incorporated, 
Leslie   Salt   said,    'We'll  support  your  incorporation  if  you  leave  our 
ponds  out,    and  we'll   even   give  you  some  money   toward  it,"  because 
they   didn't  want   their  ponds  in  a   city.      Newark  accepted  that,    so  the 
ponds  are  in  Fremont.      So  if  you  cross  Dumbarton  Bridge,  you   ga  from 
here  through  Newark  and  back  into  Fremont. 

Lage:     How  was  Fremont  able  to  get  its   boundary,    then,    to  include  the   ponds? 

Pond:     We  followed  the  lines  right  around,    and  what  Newark  excluded  we  took 
in.      There  was  one   tiny   section  of  land  that  Newark  wanted.     As 
chairman  of   the  committee   I  opposed  that,    so  the  supervisors  left 
that  out  of  Newark's  plan.      Then  when  we  were  incorporating  and  we 
proposed  it,   we  included  it  in  our  plans  and  Newark  opposed  it,    so  it 
got  left  out  of  ours,  too. 

Lage:      So  it's  still   county? 

Pond:      It  was   county    for  a  while,    but  then  Newark  made  a  masterful   stroke. 
They  incorporated  a  lot  of  land  to  make  it  impossible  for  Fremont  to 
incorporate  it.      It  really  paid  off  for  them  because   that  land  is  now 
New  Park  Mall.      So   that  was   the  no  man's  land  that  is   somebody's  land 
now. 

Lage:      It   sounds  like   there  was  a  lot  of   rivalry  between  Newark  and  Fremont. 

Pond:      There  was  in  those   days. 

Lage:     But  that  didn't  exist  between  the  five  towns  that  formed  Fremont? 

Pond:     Not  really,   no.     Newark  was   the  only  one   that  wanted  to  be  really 
independent.      None   of    the  rest  of   us   said,    'Let's   do  it  on  our   own 
and  forget   the  rest  of   them." 


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Lage:     Was   the  opposition  that  you  did  have   based  on  fear  about   taxes? 

Pond:     Yes. 

Lage:     They  were  afraid  their  taxes  would  go  up? 

Pond:      That's   right.      We  might  have  had  a  tough  election,    except  Hayward  did 
us   that  wonderful    favor.      So  it  passed  by   a  two-to-one  margin,   and 
every   single   precinct  voted  it  in;   nobody   could  say   they   got   brought 
in.      Some  of   them   were  just  barely   in,    and  some  of   them   sizeably  in 
by   three,    four,    or  five  to  one.    like   up  in  this  area.      But   every 
single   precinct  voted  it  in;    nobody   could  say   they   were  forced  in. 

Efforts  to   Promote   Incorporation 

Lage:      Tell  me  about  your  efforts  to  win   cooperation  from   the  ranchers.      You 
mentioned  to  me  that  you  were  part  of   the  committee  that  called  on 
the  Pattersons.      I  assume  you  called  on  other  ranchers,    too. 

Pond:     We  called  on  other  ranchers.      One  of   our  programs  was  to  try   to  get 
them  involved,  and  we  were  successful.      Michael  Overacker.   later  our 
second  mayor,    was  one  of   the  leaders  among  the  ranchers;  we  talked 
him  into  running  for  the   city   council.      With  him   running  for  the   city 
council,    it  was  hard  for   some  of   his  rancher  friends  to  oppose 
something  that  he  wanted  to  be  a   government  official   of. 

Lage:     The  city   council   election  was  at  the  same  time  as  the  incorporation? 

Pond:      Yes.      It  has  to  be.     We   also  voted  for  one  more   thing,   and  that  was   a 
city   manager  form   of   government,    which  doesn't  have  to  be,   but  we 
voted  for  it.      It  was  on  the   same  ballot.      Do  you  want   the   city 
incorporated,    which   council  men  do  you  want,    and  do  you  want  a  city 
manager?      Those   three   propositions  were   on  it. 

Lage:     Did  you  run  for   council? 

Pond:      I   was  on  the  council.      I   figured  I  was  a   shoo-in  because   I'd  done   all 
the  work  for   the  incorporation,   but  I   came  in  fifth.      [laughter] 

Incidentally.    I  was  not  the  chairman  of   record  at  the  time  of 
incorporation.        I  know  how   to  organize,    and  I   did  organize  it.    I 
think  I   did  a   good  job.    but  when  it  came  time  to  promote  the  thing,    I 
was   dragging  my   feet.      I   could  do  a  better  job  now,    but   even  then. 
why.     I'm   not   the  promoter.      I   don't  promote  as  well   as   I   organize. 
So  some  of   the  fellows   came  and  said.    "Pond,    how   about   giving  way   to 
Stuart  Nixon?"     Stuart  Nixon  was  a   newspaper  editor  at  that  time,    but 
he's   in  public  relations  today.      So  he's   the   one  who    did   the 
promoting  and   selling. 


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Pond:      It's  too  bad  that  more   things   don't  work  that  way.      I   did  what    I 

could  do   best:     that  was  organize   the  thing  and  get  all   the  material, 
put  the   package  together.      Then  I  resigned,    and  he  refused  to  accept 
the  nomination  unless  I  was  nominated  as  co-chairman.      So  I  did  what 
I  did  best,   he  did  what  he  did  best,    and  we  worked  as  team   all   the 
way   through.      Too  often  somebody   wants  the  glory;   you've  seen  it — 
somebody  like  me  will  do  all   the  work,   and  then  a   guy  like  Stuart 
Nixon  will   come  in  and  take   all   the  glory  and  never  mention  the  other 

guy. 

Lage:     He  wasn't  like    that.      Also,     I   think  it's  a   credit  to  you  that  you 
recognized  your   strengths. 

Pond:     Well,    that's   right.      And  my   weaknesses!      Yes,    one   of   the  fellows 

said,    "Pond,   you're   not    doing   so    good   right   now;  you're    dragging  your 
feet."     I  said,   "I  know.      I  need  to  get  bailed  out  of  this  thing!" 
He  said,   "I  have  a  suggestion."     I  said,   "What  is  it?"     He  said,   "I'd 
like   to  propose  Stuart  Nixon  as   chairman.      Would  you  accept   that?"     I 
said,    "I'd  be  very  happy  to."     Because   I  knew    I  was   in   over  my  head 
at   this   point. 

Lage:     What  was  required  for  the  promotion  effort? 

Pond:      Selling  it  to   the   people.      To   get  out   the  vote.      That's  a   different 
type   of   thing,    different   type   altogether.      I  know    more  about  it  now, 
but   the   other   guy  was  a   professional. 

Lage:     Tell   me  what  you  remember  about  approaching  the  Pattersons.      Why  you 
did  approach   them,    first  of   all. 

Pond:     Well,    we  had  to  approach  a  lot  of   the  key   landowners.      You'll  have  to 
look  up  what  the  requirements  were,    but  as   I  recall,    a   petition  had 
to  represent  a   certain  percent  of   the  landowners  representing  a 
certain  percent  of   the  assessed  valuation,    or   some  formula  like   that. 

Lage:     This  was  the  original   petition — 

Pond:      The   original   petition.      It  may  be   changed,   but  at  least  I   do  know 

that  there  were  two  requirements  so  that  neither  the  small  home  owner 
nor   the  big  ranch  owner   could  overrun  each  other,   sort   of  like  our 
Senate   and  House   in  our  government.      You  couldn't  get  a  bunch  of 
small  property  owners  to  dictate  to  the     big  landholders,    who  were 
fewer  in  number.      We  needed  to  get  signatures  of   a  certain  percentage 
of  voters  and  a   certain  percentage   of  landholders.      So  to   get   the 
percentage   of  landholders,   we  needed  the  big  landholders.      We  would 
have   needed  50  percent   of   the   small   people,   because   their   properties 
were   so   small,    if   the  big  owners   didn't  want  to  come  in.      We  wouldn't 
have   been  able  to   get   that  many   signatures,    I    don't   think.      In  fact, 
it  is  doubtful    that  100  percent  of   small  property  owners  would  have 
had  a  sufficient  assessed  valuation  to  make   the    petition  legal. 


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Lage:      So  at  that   time  you  still  had  some  really  large  holdings  in  the — 

Pond:     Oh.    yes.      Large  holdings.      Patterson  was  one;   Huddleson  up  there  was 
another;   Overacker  was  another;  Bailey  was  another.      There   are 
probably   ethers   that   I'm   not  thinking  of   right  now. 

Williams  was  another.     Lee  Williams  was  a  prominent  farmer.     He 
was  interested  enough   to  be  willing  to  serve  on  our  committee,    but  he 
had  to  drop  out   because   of   illness.      I   can  still   recall   one  meeting 
when  someone   said.    "Well,    let's   see  if  we  can  get  Lee  Williams  to  get 
back  into  this  thing,"  and  I  said,   "No,  we'd  do  him  no  favor.     He's 
got  a  bad  heart,    and  I   don't  want  any   part  of   contributing  to  his 
death."     Little   did  I  know    that  at   that   time  he  was   dying  of   a  heart 
attack;    that  night  he  died  while  we  were  in  our  meeting. 

Lage:  Oh.  my  goodness.  He  actually  owned  a  lot  of  land,  then?  I  know  he 
had  a  lot  of  leased  land  that  he  farmed. 

Pond:  Yes.  he  owned  a  lot  of  land,  and  he  rented  a  lot  of  land.  The  firm 
he  founded.  L.S.  Williams,  is  still  in  existence.  That's  about  the 
size  of  that. 

Lage:      I   interviewed  his   son.   Gene  Williams,    as  part  of   this  project, 
talking  about   the  farming,    particularly  on  the   Patterson  Ranch. 


Meeting  with  Will   and  Henry   Patterson;      "In  the  Best   Interest  of   the 

Community" 


Lage:     Tell   me  what  you  recall  about  going  down  to  meet  the  Pattersons  and 
what  their  response  was. 

Pond:     Well,    it  was  a  little  thing,    and  yet  it  was  a  big  thing.      A  group  of 
us  went  down  there  one  afternoon  to   see   the   Pattersons,    the   two 
brothers.    Will   is  the  one  I  remember  the  most.      He  was  prominent,    and 
he  was  active  in  the   community,    on  the  water  board    [Alameda   County 
Water  District]    for  years.      We  weren't  invited  in  the  house.      There 
was  a  good  reason  for  it,    I   guess,    because   there  were   ten  or  more   of 
us  who  went   down  there  to  talk  to  them.      The  only  ones  I  can  think  of 
that  were  there  are  dead,    except   that  Stuart  Nixon  and  Bruce   Michael 
were  probably   there.      Bruce   Michael   was  on  the  first   council,   and 
Stuart  Nixon  I've   already  mentioned.      A  number   of  other   people  were 
there,    but   I   can't  recall  who.      Anyway,    we  thought  it  was  very 
critical   for   us  to   convince   the   Patterson  brothers   that   they   should 
support  it. 

Lage:     Were  you  hoping  for   support   to  the  extent  of   signing  of   the  petition? 


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Pond:      Correct,   because   they  had  fairly  large  holdings,   you  know.      So  we 
explained  to  them  what  was   going  on  and  what  was  going  to  happen. 
They  were   pretty  visionary,  and  they   could  see  what   going  to  happen, 
too.      We  were  only  there  about  a  half  hour.    I   guess. 

Lage:      Sitting  on  the  porch?      Was  this  on  the  porch  of   the   old  Will 
Patterson  home,    do  you  think? 

Pond:  I  don't  know  which  home  it  was.  As  I  recall,  it  was  white.  And  we 
weren't  sitting,  we  were  standing.  There  was  a  rail  around  it,  and 
there  was  a  curve  to  one  end  of  it;  it  didn't  square  off,  it  curved 
around.  That's  all  I  can  remember. 

Lage:      It's  not  terribly   important;  I  was  just  trying  to  visualize  which 
house  it  was. 

Pond:     Anyway,    after  we  made   our  points  and  they'd  asked  several  questions, 
finally  Will   Patterson  said,   and  this  is  why  it  was  so   short,    I 
think,    he  said,    'Veil,    my  brother  and  I   have  discussed  this,    and  we 
don't   believe   that  incorporation  is  in  our  best  interest,    but  we   do 
believe  it's  in  the  best  interest  of   the  community.      Therefore,    we 
support  it." 

I   suppose    there  was  hand-clapping  then,    but   I  don't  recall   itl 
There  was   certainly  relief  on  our   part  because  this  was   the  key 
thing;    if   the  Pattersons   supported  it,    we  were  in  a  "go"  situation. 
We  had   the   Pattersons.      I   don't   know   if   Overacker  had  yet   decided, 
and  this   could  have   influenced  Overacker   to  run  for   the  city   council. 
So   this  was   a  very,  very  key   decision — one   of   the  major  landholders, 
a   prominent   landholder,    supporting  it. 

Lage:     And  they  did  it  seemingly  on  the   basis   that  the   community  interest 
was  at  stake. 

Pond:     That's  right.      The  community   would  be  better  off  for  it,    even  though 
they   themselves  would  not   be. 

Lage:     Do  you  think  that  was  true,    that  it  wasn't  good  for   the  ranchers? 
It's  hard  to   predict  what  would  have   been. 

Pond:     Well,    you  knew   growth  was   coming.      It's  hard  to  say.      Certainly,    the 
Patterson  Ranch  of   today  is  nowhere  what  it  was    then.       It's    gone. 
But  what  would  it  have  been  like?     With  all  the  growth  coming  in  and 
surrounding  it,    I   strongly  suspect  that  would  have   probably  been 
taxed  enough — in  those   days,    and  it  maybe   still   is,    property   was 
taxed  for  its  highest  and  best   use. 

Lage :     Even  in  the  county   areas? 


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Pond:      That's  right.      So  if   there  was   development  around  it.    their  assessed 
valuation  was    going  to  go   up.      It  isn't  going  to  be   assessed  for 
agricultural   property;    it's   going  to  be  assessed  for  homes.      They 
probably,    this  is  purely  conjecture  on  my   part,   would  have  had  to 
sell  it  off   piece  by   piece  anyway  to   pay   their  taxes.      So  I'm  not   so 
sure  they   wound  up  worse   off   than  they  otherwise  would  be. 

In  fact,    probably  better  because   this  way   the   decision  was  made, 
and  it  was  peaceful.      If   they   had  decided  against   it  and  we 
incorporated  anyway — which  may  have  been  delayed  some  years  if   they 
had  opposed  it;    this  is  one  thing  that  could  have  happened,    a  delay — 
but  eventually  it  would  have  to  have   been  incorporated,   and 
development  would  have   taken  place.      They   would  have  been  in  a 
constant   struggle  against   developers,    taxes,    etc.,    and  their   peace   of 
mind  for   the  rest  of   their  lives  would  have  been  destroyed.      So  I 
have  an  idea   that  they   probably   came  out  ahead  even  though  Patterson 
Ranch  in  effect  is  destroyed.      I   think  it  would  have  been  destroyed 
anyway  although  the   time  table  would  have   been   different. 

Lage:     And  who  can  say  what   the  time  table  would  have  been. 
Pond:      That's  right. 

Lage:     But   it  does  appear  that  they   were  enough  a  part  of   the  community  and 
the   current  scene  to  know  what  was  happening. 

Pond:     They're   to  be   admired  for   that  decision.      They   could  have  made   a  lot 
of   trouble  for   this  area,   and  for   themselves,   and  kept   their  ranch 
together  for  a  much  longer  period  of   time  if   they   chose   to  do  it. 
They   chose  not  to. 

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I  have  an  idea  they   probably  considered  its  impact  on 
themselves.      The  many   things   I  speculate   on  they   probably   thought 
about   too.    because   they   weren't   stupid  men.      Particularly  Will  was  a 
far  seeing  man.    and  he  might  have  realized,   too,    that  the   things    I'm 
saying  might  have  happened  could  have  happened  to  them.      It  was  never 
stated  by  anybody.     Who  knows  what  a  man's  mind  says?      But — 

Lage:     They   didn't  really  discuss  with  you;    they   listened  to  you  and  then 
they   gave   their  answer. 


Pond:     They    said   they'd  already    discussed  it.      It's   inconceivable   that   men 
of   that  caliber  would  have  not   thought  about   this   side   of   it:     what 
if  we  don't   support  it;   what  if  we  oppose   it;  what  happens?      I'm  sure 
they  explored  it,    the   two  of    them   sitting  there   talking  about  it. 
Maybe  had  advice   from   other   people,    I   don't  know.      But    I'm  sure  they 
must  have   considered  all   the  ramifications,   whichever   their   decision 
was. 


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Lage:  Do  you  know  what  kind  of  arguments  you  would  have  presented  to  them? 
I'm  sure  you  don't  remember  precisely  what  was  said  to  them,  but  can 
you  think  of  what  approach  you  would  have  taken? 

Pond:     Well.   no.   of  course   I  don't  remember  what  was  said.     Well,    two 

things.      The  approach  would  be,    it's   going  to  happen  anyway.      We  have 
an  opportunity  now   to  make  our  own  decisions  more  effectively  if  we 
do  it  now  before  other   people   come  in  and  start  making  them  for   us. 
You   can't    stop   development.       It's    coming. 

I   can   go  back,   and  so   can  the   Pattersons  of   course,    to  when 
there  was  all   farms  between  Hayward  and  San  Leandro.      San  Leandro  was 
called  "the    cherry   city."     San  Lorenzo  was   nothing.      Development 
after  World  War  II  was  moving  out   in  this   direction.      I  could  see  it. 
Anybody  with  any  foresight   could  see  it,    and   I'm  sure   they   saw   it. 

So   I'm   sure  we   used  that  type   of   argument,    and  probably  appealed 
to  their  community  pride  and  loyalty,   which  is  something  that  they 
responded  to  even  though   they   had  decided  already.       [laughs] 

Lage:      They'd  probably   thought  of   that. 

Pond:      I    think  if  we'd  made   a  bad  argument   they'd  have   said,    "Well,    let's 

think  it  over."     In  other  words,    they  may  have   said,    "Well,    no,    based 
on  what  we've  heard  today,"  to  themselves,    you  know,    "maybe  we 
weren't  making  the  right   decision."     Although   they   had   decided  what 
they   wanted  to  do,    I'm  sure  if  we  hadn't  presented  some  good 
arguments,    the  meeting  wouldn't  have  lasted  just  a   short   period  of 
time. 

And  incidentally,    at  this  time   I  was  not  the  chairman  anymore. 
This  meeting  occurred  when  Stuart  Nixon  was   the   chairman. 


In  the  Wake   of   Incorporation;     Development,    Traffic,    and  City 
Politics 


Lage:     When  you  were  on  the  council,    the  first  city  council,    was  there  an 
effort  to   sort  of   take   care   of   the  ranchers  or   the  agricultural 
interests  or,   was  most  of   the  thrust  toward  designing  for  development? 

Pond:      I  have  no  real  recollection  of   taking  care   of   the  ranchers.     We  were 
aware  of   the  ranchers'  problems,    but  most  of   the  problems  were  coming 
with  the  developers   coming  in  and  wanting  to  file  on  land  and   getting 
the  city   underway.      We  met  at  midnight  to  establish  city  laws  because 
that's  when  government   starts;  when  county   government   ceased  to 
exist,    we  had  to  meet  at  midnight  to  enact  all  the  county  ordinances 
that  applied  to   us. 


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Lage:     To  get  the  basic  legal   structures  in? 

Pond:     Well,    you  could  put   a  wrecking  yard  next  to  a  beautiful   home  because 
zoning  laws   ceased  to  exist.      Speed  limits   ceased  to  exist.      Criminal 
law,    of   course,    still   remained  the  same.      But  the  building  codes 
ceased  to  exist.      All   this  we  adopted  at  midnight  on  January  23. 
1956.      All   the  county   ordinances  by   reference:      the  county  building 
code   shall  be  ours,    the  Sheriff's   Department   shall   be  our   police 
department.      The  fire  department  was  different;  we  had  our  own 
volunteer  fire  department,    so  they  were  incorporated  as   the   Fremont 
Fire  Department.      So  all   these  were  dene. 

We  hired  a  city  clerk,   which  the  law   required.      This  was  arranged 
through   our  advisers  who  helped  us,    and  they   supplied  the  city   clerk 
for   us.      We   didn't   pay   the   city   clerk;   we   paid  the  firm,    Kroeler  and 
Associates,    who  developed  it  for   us.      One   of    their  employees  was  our 
first   city   clerk;    she  was   part   of   the   package    deal. 

Lage:     Of   course,    the  Nimitz    Freeway,    that  was  put  in  in  '53.   that  probably 
had  a  lot  to   do  with  bringing  development   down. 

Pond:     Did  that  go  in  that  early? 

Lage:     That's  the  date   I  have.      Or  maybe   it  was  just   started  then,    but  most 
everyone   I've  talked  to  refers  to  it  as   '53. 

Pond:      It  was   done   in  segments.      I  can  remember  it  first  coming  out  as  far 
as  Hayward,   and  then  finally  it  went  out  to  Fremont  Boulevard,    I 
think. 

Lage:     Well,    the  people  who  tell  me  about  are  talking  about  when  it  came 
through  the   Patterson  Ranch,  and  that  would  have   been  one   of   the 
earlier  portions,    further  north. 

Pond:     Jack  Parry  could  tell  you  precisely  because  when  the  freeway  went 

through   there  he  went  to — he  gets  the  bit  in  his  teeth,    he  goes!     He 
went  down  to  find  out  how  much  they  paid  for   the  land  because  he  had 
Berchem   Meat  Company,    which  is  right  down  near  where  New  Park  Mall  is 
now.      He  wanted  to  know  how  much  the   state  was  paying  these   people  for 
this  land  they   were  taking.      The   state   said,    "No  way,    that's 
privileged  information."     So  he   took  them   to   court.      Pleaded  his   own 
case,    no  attorney.      Finally   the  state   came  to  him   one   day   and  said. 
"Mr.    Parry,    you  can  look  at  anything  you  want   to   see."     He    said, 
"That's   not  what  I  want.      I  want   it   to  be  established  that  anybody 
has   the   right   to   do  it."     And  it  was   so   determined.      So   that's  why 
I'm   telling  you  Parry   could  tell  you  precisely  when  that  was  going 
through    there  1 

He's  a   former  mayor.      He  and  I  are  good  friends,    although   I 
don't  like  his   bulldog  attitude. 


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Lage:     But   that's   probably  what  won  that  lawsuit. 
Pond:     That's  right,    that's  right. 

I  can  remember  when  the  freeway   was  first  extended  from  Hayward 
to   Fremont.      After  you  left  Hayward,   you  were  all   alone!      You've   been 
down  Highway  5,    you  know    how    that  is.      That's  the  way  the  freeway 
from  Hayward  to  Fremont  was  back  in  the  fifties  when  they  first 
extended  it. 

Lage:     You  never  dreamed  it  was   going  to  be   all  clogged  up  like   it  is  now. 

Pond:      Then,    of  course,    digressing  just  a  moment,   when  680  ended  at   Mission 
Boulevard  right  out   of   the  pass  here,    when  that  first  opened,    Don 
Dillon,   another  mayor,    predicted  what  was   going  to  happen.      The 
traffic  backup  was   so  far  it  was  unbelievable.      Everybody  was  going 
on  this  freeway,    but  when  they   got  to   the  end,    it   stopped.     Just  like 
when  you  have  an  accident  like  they  have  from   time  to  time  on  the 
bridge.      Stops  everything.      Just   the  other   day,    what  was  it,    a  five- 
mile  backup?      Well,    that  was  a  little  one  compared  to  what  this  one 
was.      The  ones  in  the  knew   came   down  through  Niles   Canyon,    when  they 
could  get  there  because  it  was  backed  up  way  beyond  that. 

Lage:     When  was   this?     Mere  recently — 

Pond:      More  recently.      I   can't   tell  you  exactly  when  that  was,    but  Don 

Dillon  is   the  man  who   can  tell  you  on  that  ©ne.      He's  another  mayor. 

Lage:     Well,    have  you  been  happy,    just  to  kind  of  wind  this  up,    with  what 
incorporation  has  wrought? 

Pond:     Yes,    I  have  been.     There's  good,   and  there's  bad.     Just  like  a 

marriage.      It  isn't  all   sweetness  and  light.      There  are   problems  in 
every   marriage.      Anybody   that   says  no  is  lying. 

Lage:      Or  hasn't  been  married. 

Pond:     That's  rightl      Or  one   completely  dominates  the  other.      In  a  healthy 
marriage,   you're  bound  to  have  little   struggles,    little  things  from 
time  t»  time,    and  we've  had  seme  pretty   good  ones  here.      One  was  over 
where   the   city  hall  was    going  to  be.      Maybe  you've  heard  about  that 
one. 

Lage:     Briefly. 

Pond:     We  had  some  battles  on  that.      I  forget  how   many   times,    it  was  three 
or  four  or  five  votes  before  we  finally   got  a   two-thirds  majority   to 
accomplish   it.       So  we've  had  that  problem. 

We've  had  the  pro-growth,    the  no-growth,    and   the  in-betweens,    and 
that's  where   I  am.       I've  tried  to  be   friendly   to  all  sides,    and  I 


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Pond:      think   I  have   been.      Some   of    them  won't   talk  to  each  other,    but    I've 
always  been  able   to.      Sometimes  they   say.    "Pond,    you  do   it.      I   can't 
talk  to   those    people."     But   I've   always   tried  to   be   friendly, 
socially    at  least. 

Lage:      Civility   always  helps.    I   think. 

Pond:      I   was  in  business  as  a   pharmacist.      The  old  story    is   don't  argue 

politics  when  you're  in  business.      I  adhered   to   that,    but   that's   not 
the  whole   truth.      You  can  discuss   politics.      On  the  civic  center,    for 
instance,    I'd  say,    "Remember,    don't  forget  to  vote  on  our   coming 
election. " 

"Oh,    I   intend  to. " 

"I   hope  you'll  vote  for  our   civic  center." 

"Oh,    I  intend  to. " 

"Fine.      I  appreciate  it." 

"No  way  1 " 

"Okay,    that's  your   decision." 

But   to  the  people  that  said,    "Well,    I  haven't  made   up  my   mind," 
those  are   the  ones   I  zeroed  in  on.      I    didn't   try   to    change  anybody 
whose  mind  was  made   up.      That's  where  you  get  in  trouble. 

Lage:     You  have  to  know  people. 

Pond:     You  have   to   understand  that  if   a  person's  mind  is  made   up,    you're  not 
going  to   change  him,   you're   going  to  make  an  enemy. 

Lage:     What  was  the  objection  to  the  civic  center?     Cost? 

Pond:     No,    the  big  objection  was   that  one   of   the  landlords  wanted  it  on  his 
property,    where  Ohlene   College   is  now.      We  felt  it  ought  to  be  more 
central.      First  we   didn't  even   get  a  majority,    then  finally  our  votes 
got  a  majority,    then  a  more  sizeable  majority,    and  eventually — we  had 
to   get   two-thirds,   you  see.      We  just  had  to  keep  pushing  at  it  and 
pushing  at  it.      Finally  made   it. 

I   shall  be  ever  grateful    to  the  Pattersons  for   their  part.      It 
was  just  a  little  meeting,    but   their  support,    although  it  wasn't 
active   in  that   they   didn't  go  out  and  speak  in  behalf  of    it.    but 
their  decision  to  support  it   by   going  along  with  it  and   signing  the 
petition  certainly  benefited  the  whole  community.      It  was  a  real 
statesmanlike  movement  on  their   part. 

Lage :     Very   good. 


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TAPE  GUIDE  —  Wallace   R.    Pond 


Date   of   Interview:     April   10,   1987 
tape  1,    side  A 
tape  1.    side  B  135 


Transcribed  by  Leslie  Johnson 
Final   Typed  by   Shannon  Page 


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Regional  Oral  History  Office 
The  Bancroft  Library 


University   of   California 
Berkeley,    California 


THE   PATTERSON  FAMILY  AND  RANCH: 
SOUTHERN   ALAMEDA   COUNTY  IN   TRANSITION 


John  Brooks 


Consultant  to  the  Patterson  Family: 
Master  Planner,    Developer,   and  Politician 


An  Interview   Conducted  by 
Ann  Lage 
in  1987 


Copyright 


1988  by   the  Regents  of   the  University   of   California 


JOHN  BROOKS 
ca.  1980 


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TABLE  OF  CONTENTS  —  John  Brooks 

INTERVIEW   HISTORY  143 

BIOGRAPHICAL    INFORMATION  144 


I        FAMILY,    EDUCATION.    BUSINESS   AND  POLITICAL   ACTIVITIES  145 

Family  and  Youth  in  Alameda   County  145 

Training  in  Engineering  and  Law  147 

Launching  a   Career  as  a  Developer  149 

Involvement   in  Democratic  Party   Politics  152 

Association  with  Wayne  Valley  154 

II        THE  BURGEONING    FREMONT  AREA  IN   THE   POSTWAR   PERIOD  157 

First  Purchase   of   Patterson  Ranch  Lands,   1952  157 

Working  with  Will,    Henry,    and  Den  Patterson  159 
Designing  Systems  and  Working  with  Government  to 

Facilitate  Development  162 

The  Incorporation  of   Fremont:      Conflicts  with  Newark  165 

III        PLANNING    IN  FREMONT,    1950s-1960s  168 

Community  Divisions  over  Timing  of  Growth  and  Development  168 
A  Cooperative  Relationship  with  Planning  Director  Roy   Potter     170 

The   Planned  District   Concept:      Planning  and  Politics  173 

Involvement  with  the  Alameda   County   Flood  Control   District  176 

Genesis   of   the  New  Town   Concept  in  the  North  Plain  Area  180 

IV        PATTERSON   RANCH  DEVELOPMENT,    1970s  182 

Purchase   of  Tract  0  by   Singer  Housing  182 

Fremont's  Moratorium  on  Development  in  the  North  Plain  183 
Singer's  Lawsuit  and  Negotiations  for  a  Settlement  Agreement     185 

Arranging  Land  Swaps  with  Newark  189 
Parties  to  the  Solution:      the   Courts,    the   Community,   and 

Singer  Housing  191 

V  CONSULTANT  TO  THE  PATTERSON  HEIRS,  1980s  194 
City  of  Fremont's  Pressure  for  Development  of  the  North 

Plain  194 
Preparing  and  Promoting  a  Master  Plan  for  Patterson  Ranch 

Lands  195 
Reaching  a  Consensus  on  the  Balance  between  Open  Space 

and  Urban  Development  198 
Mel  Belli' s  Representation  of  Dissident  Patterson  Family 

Members  202 

Will  Patterson  and  the  Woodpeckers  205 

TAPE  GUIDE  207 


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INTERVIEW  HISTORY  —  John  Brooks 


Over  the  past  thirty-five  years,    John  "Jack"  Brooks  has  worked  with  three 
generations  of   the  Patterson  family.     His  recollections  are  a  crucial  element 
in  the  story  of   the  evolving  land-use  patterns  on  the  ranch  lands  since  the 
1950s.      They  also  provide  a  great  deal   of  insight  into  politics  and  planning 
in  the   city   of   Fremont. 

In  his  oral   history,    Mr.    Brooks  recounts  his  first  meeting  with  Will 
Patterson  and  the  first  purchase  of  ranch  lands  for  housing  development  in 
1952.        The  Patterson  purchase  was  Brooks's  introduction  to  the  Washington 
Township  area,  where  he  became  the  most  prominent  developer  and  a  community 
leader  whose  skills  as  planner  and  in  politics  shaped  the  growing  city  of 
Fremont.     His  recounting  of  his  close  relationship  with  the  director  of 
Fremont's  city  planning  department  and  the  evolution  of   the  planned  unit 
development  and  planned  district   concepts  are  of  particular  interest. 

Brooks   discusses  the  1971  purchase  by   Singer  Housing  Company — which  he 
headed  as  president — of   the  tract  of  lands  that  included  the  George 
Washington  Patterson  home  and  the  eucalyptus  grove.    This  is  the  tract  which 
became,   after  years  of  litigation  and  negotiation,   the  Ardenwood  Regional 
Preserve.      Brooks,    a  key   figure  in  the  negotiations,    gives  his  perspective 
on  the  process  of  reaching  agreement  with  the  city  of  Fremont.     (The 
perspective  of   the  negotiator  for  the  city,   assistant  city  manager  Larry 
Milnes,   is  given  in  an  excerpt  from  a  1982  interview  with  Milnes,    included 
in  the  appendix  to  this  volume.) 

Brooks  served  as  consultant  to  the  Patterson  family  in  the  1980s  and 
was  responsible  for  preparing  and  promoting  the  master  plan  for  Patterson 
Ranch  lands  which  eventually  was  adopted  by   the  city  of  Fremont.     His 
explanation  of   the   delicate  balancing  act  required  to  satisfy  the  pro- 
growth,    no-growth,    and  low-growth  forces  within  the  community  and  within  the 
Patterson  family  attests  to  his  well-acknowledged  skills  as  a  master 
politician  as  well  as  a  master  planner. 

The  interviews  with  Jack  Brooks  were  conducted  in  his  office  in 
Fremont.    California,    which  is  sited  on  the  former  Patterson  ranch  lands  sold 
to  Brooks  in  1952.      They   took  place  on  November  5  and  November  20,    1987. 
Mr.    Brooks  made  no  substantive  changes  in  reviewing  his  transcript. 

Ann  Lage 

Interviewer/Editor 
Project  Director 

September,   1988 

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Your  full  name 


Date  of  birth 


Father's  full  name 

Occupation 
Mother's  full 

Occupation 


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University  of  California 
Berkeley,  California   94720 


BIOGRAPHICAL  INFORMATION 


(Please  write  clearly.  Use  black  ink.) 


John  Brooks 


9/16/23 


Birthplace    Oakland,  CA 


Birthplace 

name 

Birthplace 

Barbara  Mathews  Brooks 


Your  spouse 

Your  children    William  Mathews  Brooks  and  John  Brooks,  Jr. 


Where  did  you  grow  up?    Oakland,  CA 

Present  community 

Education    


San  Francisco,  CA 


Degree  in  Mechanical  Engineering  from  Healds  College 
Degree  in  Law  from  Lincoln  University  Law  School 


Occupation (s) 


Real  Estate  Developer  and  Investor 


Areas  of  expertise_ 


Real  Estate 


Other  interests  or  activities 


Organizations  in  which  you  are  active_ 


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I      FAMILY.    EDUCATION,    BUSINESS   AND   POLITICAL  ACTIVITIES 
[Interview   1:      November  5.   1987]  ## 

Family  and  Youth  in  Alameda   County 


Lage: 


Brooks 


Lage: 
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Brooks: 


Lage: 
Brooks : 


We  want  to  start  with  some  personal  background,   just  to   set  the 
scene — where  you  were  born  and  raised,    and  particularly  if  there 
are   things  in  your  background  that  helped  shape  the   direction  you 
took. 

I  was  born  in  Oakland,    California,    on  September  16,    1923,    so  I've 
been  a  resident  of  Alameda  County  for  my  whole  life.      My   parents 
were  both  born  in  Alameda   County.     Our   children  are  the  fifth 
generation  born  in  the   same  little   city   of   San  Leandro  because   my 
wife's  people  have  been  there  that  long. 

My   goodness.      When  would  that   date  back  to? 
Oh,    it  goes  back  to  the  1800s. 
As  early  as   the   Patterson  family. 

Yes,    about   the  same  time.      Her  side  of   the  family  came  to  San 
Leandro  at  that  point  in  time,    and  each   generation  was   born  in  the 
same   city.      I  was  born  just  across  the  border,    on  the  Oakland  side 
of   the  line  from  San  Leandro. 

What  did  your  father  do  as  an  occupation? 


I  had  a  father  and  a   stepfather.      My  father  was  in  the 
steam  fitters'   union,    president  of   the  union  at  one  time, 
number  of  years.      My   stepfather  was  a  naval   officer. 


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Lage:          I  understand  you  went  to  the  Maritime  Academy.      Did  that  have 
anything  to  de  with  your   stepfather's  influence? 

Brooks:     Yes.   it   did  because  during  part  of  his   career,   he  was  an  instructor 
in  engineering  in  the  navy,    and  he  became  aware  of   the  US  Maritime 
Academy — it's   different   than   the    state   academy — in   King's    Point, 
and  he  recommended  to  me  that  I  take   a  look  at  it.      I  thought  it 
was  pretty   good  free  education  1      So  I'm  a   graduate   of  King's   Point. 

Lage:          Where  is  King's   Point? 

Brooks:     King's   Point   is   in  New   York.      The  federal   academy   is  in  New   York. 
Most   people    don't   know    that   there  are  four  federal   academies: 
naval,    army,    air  force,    and  maritime. 

Lage:          I  jumped  ahead  there,    getting  you  clear  up  to  the   Maritime  Academy, 
but  what  about   education  in  general?     Public  school? 

Brooks:      Public  school.      High  school   in  Oakland.      Castlemont  High  School. 

Of   course,    I  went   to  the  academy   shortly  after  leaving  high  school. 

Lage:          Did  your  early  education  or  high  school    show  any   of   this  interest 

in  politics   that  you  took  up  later?      Were  •    are  any  extracurricular 
activities  that  were  related? 

Brooks:     No,    not  really.      I  worked  all   the  way   through  high   school.      I 

worked  nights  in  a   parking  lot,    parking  cars,  and   I  worked  in  the 
summer,    as  was  typical   of    this  area,    in  the  local   canneries.      The 
local   canneries  provided  summer  jobs  in  southern  Alameda   County   in 
those   days.      Now    the  canneries  are  mainly  gone,   but   that  was  a 
major  source   of   employment   then,    in  the  late  thirties. 

Lage:          How    far  would  you  have  to  come  to  find  a  cannery   in  those  days? 
Into  San  Leandro? 

Brooks:  Well.  I  worked  in  two  in  Oakland.  One  was  in  upper  Oakland,  near 
west  Oakland,  and  I  later  worked  in  one  just  across  the  line  from 
San  Leandro.  Do  you  know  where  Fifth  Avenue  is? 

Lage:         Yes. 

Brooks:     One   of    the  major   canneries  was  at  Fifth  Avenue.      You  know,    where 
that  old  yacht  harbor   thing  is.      The  other  one  was  at  98th  Avenue 
in  Oakland.      So  rather   than  a  lot  of   extracurricular  activites  in 
school,    I  spent   a  lot   of   my   spare   time  working. 

Lage:          That  wasn't   so   unusual    then,    during  the  Depression  days. 

Brooks:      It  was   fairly   common  in  those   days  because  that  was   right  at  the 
end  of    the  Depression  period. 


Lage: 


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Training  in  Engineering  and  Law 


When  you  went  te  the  Maritime  Academy,  was  this  with  the  idea  of 
getting  into  engineering? 


Brooks:     Yes,    I  asked  to  attend  the  engineering  portion  of   the  school,    and  I 
was  assigned  that   portion. 

Lage:          Any   reason  for   that  choice? 

Brooks:      I  had  an  interest  in  engineering  throughout  my  teenage  years. 

Lage:          Did  the  building  of   the  Golden  Gate  and  Bay  bridges  and  the 

excitement  surrounding  that  have  anything  te   do  with  your  decision? 

Brooks:     No,    I  think  probably  the  factor  that  was  most  important  was  that  my 
stepfather  was  an  instructor  in  engineering. 

Lage:          Now   tell  me  about   the  academy. 

Brooks:     Well,    I   came  to  the  academy.      Of  course,    it  was   during  the  war 

years,    and  like   all   the  academies,    they   had  shortened  the  courses 
from  four  and  a  half  years  to  two  and  a  half  years.      The   Maritime 
Academy,   like   the  Naval  Academy,   has  a  midshipman  program  where  you 
attend  the  academy  and  then  you  go  to   sea  and  then  you  come  back 
and  finish  at  the  academy.      So  during  that  period,    the  war  years,    I 
served  as  a  midshipman  on  various   ships  in   combat  zones.      Because 
of   the  midshipman  status,    I  was  promoted  at  sea  to  an  officer's 
status,    then  when  you  come  back  te  the  academy  you  revert  back  to 
your  midshipman  status. 

Lage:          That  must  have  been  a  hard  transition! 

Brooks:     Then,    upon  graduation  from   the  academy,    I  was  commissioned  in  the 
navy  as  a  naval   officer  specializing  in  engineering  and  served  in 
the  navy   throughout   the  Pacific.      I  served  in  the  navy   as  a 
midshipman  in  the  Pacific  before   I  went  back  to   the  academy.      I 
also   served  in  North  Africa  and  India  as  a  midshipman.      In  fact — 
you're  toe  young  to  remember — as   a  midshipman   I  landed  on 
Guadalcanal.      After  being  commissioned  I  again  served  in  the  navy, 
in  the  amphibious  forces. 

Lage:         And  the  war  was   still  going  on  at  the  time? 

Brooks:      Yes.      We'd  make  landings   throughout   the  islands  and  the    Philippines 
and  Okinawa,    the  usual  war  stories. 


Brooks:      After  I  left   the  navy   I  went  back  to  engineering  school  and   got  a 

degree   in  mechanical   engineering  from  Heald's   College.      During  that 


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period   I   worked  as  a   ship's  officer  in  San  Francisco  at  night  and 
went  to  school   in  the   daytime. 

You  may   not  know    it.    but  the  law   requires  that  every   ship  have 
an  engineering  officer  aboard  while   they're  in  port,    and  on   all 
merchant   ships  all   the  regular  officers  are  off   every  night  and 
weekends  when  they're  in  port,    so  they  put  a  relief   officer  on.      So 
through   engineering  school    I  worked  at  night  as  a   ship's  officer 
and  went  to  school  in  the   daytime.      Then  later   I   did  the   same   thing 
again  while   I  went   to  school    to  get  a  law   degree. 

Lage:          That   sounds  like  a  very   good  sideline  to  have. 

Brooks:  Yes.  you  make  a  reasonably  good  living  while  going  to  school.  And 
it  was  a  good  job  too  because  most  of  the  time  as  a  ship's  officer 
you're  not  doing  very  much  so  you  have  a  lot  of  study  time. 

Lage:         Right.      You  just  have  to  be  there. 

Brooks:  You  have  to  be  there.  You  have  to  move  a  ship  once  in  a  while, 
from  one  port  to  another,  but  that  didn't  occur  often  enough  to 
interrupt  your  study  time. 

Lage:         Where   did  you  get  your  law  degree? 
Brooks:     Lincoln  University   of    San  Francisco. 

Lage:          And  what  did  you  have  in  mind  with  the  law   degree?      Were  you 
thinking  of  becoming  an  attorney   or  just  a   general   education? 

Brooks:      I  was  more  interested  in  a   general  education,    but   during  the   period 
I  was   going  to  law   school   I  seriously  considered  becoming  an 
attorney  and  practicing  law,    but  near   the  end  of   the   period   I  was 
in  law   school.    I  went   into  the  development  business  and  no  longer 
desired  to  practice  law.      There  were   several  mental   changes   during 
that  period. 

Lage:          I   imagine   the  legal    training  has   come  in  handy,    though. 

Brooks:      Yes,    the   combination  of    the  legal   training  and  the  engineering 
training  has  been  very  valuable  because  most  of   the  development 
business  is  made   up  of   those   two  areas. 

Lage:          So  without   really  knowing  exactly  where  you  were  heading,    you  ended 
up   getting  the   right   degrees. 

Brooks:     Yes,    I  was  fortunate   to  get  the  right   training  at  the  right   time. 
I  also  think  that  the   training  at   the  academy  was   particularly 
important,    particularly   in  the  area  of    teaching  self-discipline. 


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Brooks:     which  you  have  to  apply  in  business,    so  that  the   training  at  the 

academy   was.    I  think,   very   important  in  teaching  you  to  discipline 
yourself  to   get   certain  things   done  at  a   certain   time.      One   of   the 
sayings   they   have  at  the  academy   is  that  you  do   the  hardest  job 
first  and  the  easiest  job  last.      That  has   been  kind   of   a  rule    I've 
followed  throughout  my   life. 

Lage :          You  just  mentioned  something  that  was  intriguing  and  that  was  the 
mental   changes  you  went  through,   ending  up  in  the   development 
business.      Why   don't  we  talk  about  that  a  little  bit? 

Brooks:      During   that    period   I   thought,    "Well,    I'll    practice  law."     In  fact, 
at  that  point   in  time,    while  I  was  going  to  school,    I  was  working 
part-time  as   a  law   clerk  in  a  legal   office.      It  happened  to  be  a 
criminal   practice,    and  I   found  that  very   interesting. 

Lage :          Was   that  in  Oakland? 

Brooks:      In  Oakland.      I   found  that  very    interesting  and  at  that  point  in 

time   I   said,   "Well.    I  think  this  is   the  kind  of   thing  I  would  like 
to   do."     Then   I   changed  jobs   really  and  got  into  the  development 
business  during  my  last  year  in  law  school.      So  I   completed  law 
school   and  just   stayed  in  the  development   business. 


Launching  a   Career  as  a  Developer 


Lage:          How   did  you  happen  to  make  the   change  into  the   development 
business? 

Brooks:     While   I  was   still   in  the  navy,    the  ship  came  to  San  Francisco.      We 
were  in  for  repairs,    so  we  were  here  for  a   couple   of  weeks.      So 
while  I  was  still  in  uniform,    I  went  down  and  took  an  examination 
and  received  a  real   estate   broker's  license.      I    didn't  really   use 
it  for  a  number  of  years,    but  then  an  opportunity  came  while  I  was 
in  my  last  year  in  law  school  where  these   two   contractor- 
developers,    a  father  and  son,    needed  a   part-time  real   estate 
salesman.      So  they  hired  me.      Of   course    I  made  more  money   doing 
that  than  I   did  as  a  law    clerk.      By  the  time  I  finished  law   school 
they  asked  me  to  become  a  partner,    so  I   became  a   partner  in  the 
development   firm  and  the  construction  company. 

Lage:         What  was   the  name   of   that  firm? 
Brooks:     Leonardo  and  Son. 

Lage:          I  always  find  it  fascinating  when  I'm  talking  with  people  how   this 
combination  of   intent  and   chance   come  together. 


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Yes. 

Now.    when  you  got  your  real   estate  license,    what  were  you  thinking? 
Did  you  see   that   things  were   going  to  be  happening  here? 

I    said,    'Veil,    someday   I'm  going  to  get  out  of   the  navy,    and  I'm 
going  to  have  to   do   something.11     I've   always    been   kind   of    oriented 
to  study.      When  I  was  in  the  navy   I  had  books  with  me;   I  studied 
engineering  books.      I  had  a  friend — a  lady  friend,    by   the  way — who 
was  a   real   estate  broker   that  I  visited  while  I  was  ashore  during 
that   period,    and  she  had  a  book  about  real  estate.      So   she   gave  me 
the  book,    and  I   took  it   to  sea  with  me,    read  it  and  studied  it,    and 
having  read  the  whole  book,    the  next   time   I   came   back  I   said,    "Why 
net  take  the  test?"      [laughter] 

And  that   kind  of  moved  you  along  the   path  you  took. 
Yes. 

You  must  have  liked  the  real  estate  business  when  you  did  get  into 
it. 

Oh  yes.  I  really  liked  the  development  business,  and  I  could  apply 
my  educational  background  to  it.  That  went  very  well,  and  the  two 
partners  I  had  almost  turned  over  the  whole  operation  to  me. 

Was   the   son  also  older   than  you? 

Yes,    they   were  both  older.      I  was  a  young  kid  that   they   thought,    I 
guess,   was  willing  to  work  and  do  things  and  come  up  with  some 
imaginative  ideas,    so   they  kind  of   stepped  back  and  said.    "Do 
whatever  you  want.  " 


That's  a   great  opportunity, 
contractor's  license? 


Then  when  did  you  get  your 


Well,    as  a   result  of   that  association,    working  in  the  business,    I 
was  able   to   get  a   contractor's  license.      So  that  was    back  in  '52   or 
'53.    someplace   in  that  area. 

Did  you  eventually   buy   that   business? 

Yes.      The  business   got  larger,    and  they   were  kind  of  small 
operators,    and  it  made   them  very  nervous   that   they   kept  expanding. 
So  they   came   to  me  with  a  proposal.      They  said,    'Ve  just  want  to  go 
back  and  be  little    tiny   developers."     So  on   a  very   friendly   basis. 
I   bought  them   out.      We  were  friends.      There  wasn't  any   problem.      We 
were  friends  at  the  time  we  were   partners  and  after  we  were 
partners. 


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Lage:          They  just   didn't  want   the   big  vision  that  you  must  have  had.      They 
didn't  want  to  get  involved  in  it? 

Brooks:     Well,    they  saw   that  they  were  getting  bigger  and  bigger,   and  they 
had  trouble  relating  to  the  size. 

Lage:  Well,  tell  me  what  you  were  thinking  of  at  that  time.  I  understand 
there  was  a  tremendous  boom  after  the  war.  Did  you  see  this  coming 
on? 

Brooks:     Well.    I  didn't  necessarily   think  in  terms  of   a  tremendous  boom.      I 
just  thought  it  was  a   good   business.      It  was  a   challenging 
business.      I   think  that  was  the  most  important  part  of   it;  it  was 
challenging  to  be  able  to   get   things   done  and   create   things.      As  a 
young  man  I  was  more  interested  in  that  challenge  and  just  doing 
things,    creating  things.      So  that's  what  really  motivated  me  more 
than  whether  there  was   going  to  be   a  big  boom   or  not. 

Lage:          You  weren't  analyzing  demographics  and  all   that  at  the   time? 

Brooks:     No.      Then  as  you  go  and  mature  in  the  business,    you  begin  to  get 

into  those  other  areas.      At  the   beginning   stages  you're  focusing  en 
just  what  you're  doing  and  the  challenge   of   trying  to  solve  the 
problems. 

Lage:         When  did  you  marry?      In  this  period? 

Brooks:      I  married  right  as   I  was   getting  out  of  law   school.      By   the  way,    I 
married  the  gal   that  was  my   girlfriend  in  junior  high   school. 

Lage:          Oh  really?      I  wondered  because  you  said  you  lived  so   close   by. 

Brooks:      She  was  my   girlfriend  in  junior  high   school,    in  high   school.      We 

didn't   see  much  of  each  other  during  the  war  years.      Then  after   the 
war  years  we  got  together,    and  we've  been  married  ever  since. 

Lage:          That's  wonderful.     What  was  her  maiden  name? 
Brooks:     Matthews.      Her  name  was  Barbara  Matthews. 

Lage:          That's  why   there're   Matthews  in  your  family.      Isn't  your   son 
Matthew? 

Brooks:     Yes.      In  fact,    her  father  was  a   real   estate  broker  and  did  a 
considerable  amount   of   development  work  also. 

Lage:         Was   she  the  one  you  were  dating  who  was  in  real   estate? 

Brooks:      Yes. 

Lage:          Okay,    now  we're   clear  on  this. 


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Brooks:      I   guess  you're  aware   of   San  Lorenzo  Village?      It's  just   south   of 
San  Leandra      It  was  a  major  development   during  the  war  years. 
That  was  one   of    the   projects   that  her  father   put   together. 
Unfortunately,    he  died  in  the  middle  of   the  war.    1944.      But  she 
took  over  his   business  at   the  age   of   eighteen  and   continued  to 
operate  it   until  just  a  few   years  ago.      She  was  very,   very 
successful   in  her   own  business. 

Lage :          This  was  in  real   estate,    as  a   real   estate  broker? 

Brooks:      A  real  estate  insurance   broker.      Very  successful  and  operated 
completely   independently.      We  operated  our   two  businesses 
completely  independently  with  no   crossover. 

Lage:          That's  very    interesting.       So   she   didn't   get   involved  helping  you 
much? 

Brooks:      No.       She  ran  her  own  thing,    and  I   did  my   own  thing.      That's 
probably  why  we're   still  married  1 

Lage:          And  you  stayed  in  separate  areas? 

Brooks:      Yes,    she  had  her   offices  in  San  Leandro.    and   I  had  offices  in 

Fremont,    then  later  in  San  Leandro,    separate  from   hers,    and  then 
back  to  Fremont  again. 


Involvement   in  Democratic  Party   Politics 


Lage: 


Brooks 


Lage: 


Brooks : 


I  want   to  get   some  indication  of  when  you  got  involved  in 
Democratic   Party  politics. 

I   began  to  get  involved  in  politics  shortly  after   I   got  into  the 
building  business,    and  really  in  just   the  local  area,    the  local 
city    council   things   and  billboard  things.      Then  gradually   I  began 
to   get  more  and  more  involved  in  the   state   things,   like   Pat  Brown's 
campaign  for  governor,    the  first  time  he  ran.    and  Alan  Cranston's 
campaign.      The  first  time  he  ran  for   controller,    I  was  his   chairman 
for  Alameda   County    [1958].     Then  that  just  kept   growing  into  state 
politics  and  then  national   politics.      It  was  just  kind  of  a  natural 
thing.      I  kept   getting  more  and  more  involved. 

Now,   was  it  related  initially  at  all   to  your  interest  in 
development?      I   mean,    did  you  get  involved  in  city   council  politics 
in  order  to  influence   development   decisions? 


Not  really,    because  you  don't  really   influence   them    that  much. 
was,     I   think,    kind   of  a   challenging   thing   I  hadn't    done, 
[laughter] 


It 


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Lage:          I   can  see  yeu  love   challenge! 

Brooks:     Then  later  I  became  the  northern  California  chairman  of   the  party 
[January-September,   1971]. 

Lage:          So  you  really  made  your  mark  in  a  lot  of   areas. 

Brooks:      I  ended  up  as  state   chairman  for   the  Kennedys  and  for  any  number  of 
politicians. 

Lage:          Did  this   continue   to  be   a  challenge? 

Brooks:      Yes. 

Lage:          How   about   this  last   election? 

Brooks:      I've   kind  of   stepped  back  at  the   present   time.      I   still 

participate,    but   on  a  lower-key   level.      You  know.    I'm  getting  older 
and  I'm   saying,    "Well,    it's   time  for   the  young  guys  to  really    get 
out  and  do   the  work."      [laughter]      My   oldest   son  is  very   much 
involved  in  politics,    so   I  assist  him, 

Lage:          Is  he  behind  the  scenes? 

Brooks:     No,    he's  out  in  front.      I  try   to  stay  behind  the  scenes  now! 

Lage:          He's  running  for  office? 

Brooks:     No,    he  has  no  interest  in  running  for  office,    but   he  has  an 
interest  in  being  involved,   as   I  was. 

Lage:  Well,  maybe  we'll  get  into  the  politics  more  later.  There  must  be 
some  relationship,  or  some  way  that  it  influenced  or  helped  you  to 
make  things  go  the  way  you  wanted  them  to  go. 

Brooks:     Well,    I   think  it's  very   difficult  to  identify   the  relationship 

between  business  and  politics   because   in  the  process  of  politics 
you  get  to  know    a  lot   of   people,   and  as  you  know   more   people  it's 
helpful    in  business,    but  you  can't  identify   a  direct  relationship 
where   knowing  this   particular   person  helped  that   particular   thing. 

Lage:          Of   course,   knowing  how   things  work  helps. 

Brooks:      Yes,   how  all   the  machinery  works  is  very,  very  helpful. 

Lage:          In  talking  to  Bob  Buck    [of   Patterson  Properties.      See  interview    in 
this  series]    that  was  one   thing  he   brought   up,    in  terms   of  your 
contribution  with  your  involvement  in  their  corporation. 


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Brooks:     Well,    I  think   I've  learned  how   the  whole   system  works.      I've   served 
on  a  number  of   commissions  and  committees,   so  I  know   how   the  state 
thing  works,   how   the  federal    thing  works,   how   they  work  locally. 

Lage:         It  doesn't  hurt. 
Brooks :     No. 


Association  with  Wayne  Valley 


Lage:          Let's   get  back  into   the  building.      You  were  associated  with  Wayne 
Valley  for  a  long  time. 

Brooks:     Yes,    Wayne  Valley   and  I   became  partners  in  about  1954,    I   guess. 
Lage:          After  you  had  bought  out  Leonardo? 

Brooks:     Yes.      I  operated  independently   for  a  while.      Then  we  became 

partners,  and  we  were   partners  until  we  merged  our  companies  with 
the  Singer  company    in  1974. 

Lage:          And  then  that  ended  your  association? 

Brooks:     No.    I  remained  as  president  of   the  Singer  Housing  Division  and 

became  president  of   the  national   division  which  included  a  number 
of   housing  companies  across  the  country,    from   Florida  to  California 
to  New  Orleans.      It's  every   place. 

Lage:          And  you  headed  up  their  entire  housing  division? 

Brooks:      Yes.      I  was   president  of   their  entire  housing  division. 

Lage:          It  must  have  been  completely  different,    deal  ing  with  Florida  and — 

Brooks:     No,    the   basic   business  is   the   same.      Integrating  with  an  industrial 
company    that's   oriented  to  industrial   operations  is  a   difficult 
kind  of   thing  to  make  mesh. 

Lage:          Singer  hadn't  been  in  housing  before?     This  was   completely   new? 

Brooks:      Yes,    this  was  a  completely  new  business  for  them,   and  it  was 

considerably  different   than  the  industrial    type   of   business  that 
they  were   used  to. 

Lage:          Didn't  they   drop  out   of   that  after  a   few  years? 


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Brooks:      Yes.      I  stayed  as   president  for  about   three  years  and  then   said,     "I 
think  it's  time   to  retire  and  do   something  different."     Then,    a 
couple   of  years  following  that,    they   decided  to   get  out   of  it,    so 
they   sold  off   the  various   divisions. 

Lage:          Well,    that's  another   story  in  itself.      Would  you  want  to  make  any 
comments  about  Wayne  Valley?     I  noticed  he  passed  away   fairly 
recently. 

Brooks:     Yes,    he  passed  away   about  two  weeks  ago.      He  was  an  unusual   man. 

very  intelligent,    a  very   good  businessman.     He  had  seme   problems  in 
relating  to  people.      He  was  friendly,    but  he  was  very   direct.      He 
said  what  he  thought,   and  he  was  very  honest,   but   because   of   those 
characteristics  he  had  trouble  relating  to  a  lot  of   people  because 
he  was   toe   direct. 

Lage:          He  was  blunt  with  people? 

Brooks:     He  was  blunt  and  to  the  point,   but  he  was  a  very   good  partner.      We 
had  a  very   good  relationship.      I   don't   think  during  the  whole    time 
we  were  partners,    twenty-plus  years,    we  ever  had  a  serious 
disagreement.     When  something  would  come  up  and  we  might  have 
different   points  of  view,    quite  often  we'd  just   say,    ''Okay,    what 
are  we  going  to  do?  "  and  we'd  flip  a  coin  to  decide.      That's  a 
great  way   to  decide  how    to  operate  a  business.      [laughter]      I  would 
say  90   percent  of    the   time  when  we  had  differences  of  opinion,   he'd 
say,    "Okay,    go  ahead  and  do  it  your  way." 


Lage:          So  he  was   blunt.      Could  you  be   blunt  with  him? 

Brooks:     Oh,    certainly.      We  were  very   direct  with  each  other, 
good   communication. 


We  had  really 


Lage:          He  was  the  one   that  first  got  involved  with  the  Raiders 
[professional   football   team],    is   that   correct? 

Brooks:     Yes.      He  was  part  of   a  group  that  went   down  and  got  the  original 

franchise,   and  then  he   brought  in  partners  to  the  franchise,    and   I 
was  one   of   the  partners  that  he  brought  in  to  make   up  the  franchise 
group.      Then  later,    I   guess  it  was  about  1976  or  in  that  area,    1 
and  Al  Davis  bought  Wayne  Valley   out   because  he  and  Davis  could  not 
get   along  because   they're   both  very   blunt    personalities, 
[laughter]      They  just   didn't  get  along  at  all. 

Lage:          And  did  that  take  place  with   continuing  friendship   between  you  and 
Wayne  Valley? 

Brooks:     Wayne  and   I  remained  friends — 


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Brooks ; 


Lage: 


Brooks : 


Lage: 


And  Davis  and   I  are  very   good  friends.     Our  two  wives  are  very   good 
friends.      In  fact,    my   wife  and  his  wife  travel    together  quite  a 
bit.      They  went  to  Asia  last  year  and  to  Italy  last  year  together. 
So  we're  very  good  friends,    but   I  still  had  a  good  association  with 
Wayne.     We   still   owned  investment   properties  together.      I   still 
have   some  joint   ownership  even  with  the  estate  now.      We  had  a  very 
good  relationship.      When  Wayne  was   ill  and  couldn't   get  around  too 
much,    he'd  get  on  the  phone,    sometimes  for  an  hour,    an  hour  and  a 
half,   and  just  talk. 

I   think  that  tells   us   something  about  your  relationships  with 
people.      I'm  sure   this  issue   between  Wayne  Valley  and  Al   Davis  was 
a  hot  one. 


Oh.    it  was  a  very   hot  one.       [laughter] 
definite   dislike  for  each  other. 


They   really   had  a  very 


And  then  to  be   able   to  continue   a  separate  relation  with  each  one 
says  something  about  your  abilities. 


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II      THE  BURGEON  INS    FREMONT  AREA  IN   THE    POSTWAR   PERIOD 


First   Purchase   ef   Patterson  Ranch  Lands.    1952 


Lage :         Let's  talk  now    about   Fremont  and  its  growth  and  development.      What 
do  you  recall  about  the  Fremont  area  in  the   postwar   period  when  you 
first   got  involved  in  this  area? 

Brooks :      In  the   postwar   period  there  was  no   Fremont,    first  of   all. 
Lage:          Right.      That's  why   I  said  Fremont  areal 

Brooks:      I  was   developing  properties  and  building  houses  in  Hayward,    and  I 
was  looking  for   some  more  land,    and  I   didn't  even  think  about 
coming  down  to  this  area,   which  was   called  Centerville  in  these 
days — it  was  way   out   in  nowhere,    in  the  boondocks — but  one  of   the 
things  I  did  was   I  put  a  little   squib  in  the  real  estate  board 
bulletin  that  they   send  out  to  the  various  brokers   saying  that   I 
was  looking  for  some   development   property. 

An  old  gentleman — I'm  trying  to  remember  his  name;  he  was  a 
broker  here  in   Centerville — called  me  and  said,    "I'd  like  to   show 
you  a  piece  of  property."     I  said,   "Where  is  it?"  and  he  said,  "In 
Centerville."      [laughing]      I    said,     "I'm   not   really    that 
interested."     He   said,    'Veil,    come   on   down."     He  was  a   nice, 
friendly  fellow,    so  I  just  kind  of  came  down  to  accommodate  him, 
and  I    didn't  really  have  that  much   interest  in  being  that   far  out 
from  where  there  was  other  activity.      So  I   came   down  and  he 
introduced  me  to  Will   Patterson. 

Lages          Oh?     Now,  when  would   that  have   been? 

Brooks:     That  would  be   about   1952  or  1953.      I   think  it  was   '52. 

Lage:          Tell  me  about  that.      That's  intriguing. 

Brooks:     Well,    he  introduced  me  to  Will   Patterson.      Will's  three  sons,    Don, 
Jack,   and  David,    each  had  a  hundred  acres   right   back  here. 


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Lage :          Not  en  the   Patterson  Ranch? 

Breaks:     Well,    it  was  part  of   the  Patterson  Ranch   then,   but  it  had  been  put 
in  their  name. 

Lage:          But  when  you  say.    "right  back  here" — 

Brooks:      Right  at   the  end  of   this   street   that  you're   on. 

Lage:          Okay.      I'd  never  thought  of   that  as  part  of   the  Patterson  Ranch. 

Brooks:      Yes.    the  Patterson  Ranch  started  two  blocks   down  from  where  we're 
at  right  now.       [Mr.    Brooks's  office,    where  this  interview    took 
place,    is  at   the  intersection  of  Thornton  and  Cabrille  Avenues  in 
Fremont,    east  of  Highway  880.] 

And  so  I  went   over  and  met  Will   Patterson.      We  began  to  talk, 
and  he  said.    "Well,   you  know,    these   parcels   that   my   three   sens  have 
we'd  like   to  do   something  with."     We  began  to  talk  about  hew  we 
could  do  it.      At   that   point  it   didn't  have  any  access   to   a  major 
street,    so  I  said,    "In  order  te  do   something,    we  need  te  buy   this 
little   strip  of  land  in  order   to    get   back  to  it."     It's   the   strip 
of   land  you're  sitting  on  right  now  1      Then,    ever  a  period  «f   five 
or   six  months   of   talking,  we   structured  something,  an  agreement.      I 
bought  this  little  piece   of   land  to  get  back  to  it,    and  we  just 
started   gradually   developing  it  over  a   series   of  years. 

Lage:         Were  you  discussing  this  with  his   sons  too? 

Brooks:      Donald  would  attend  some   of   the  meetings,    but  not  all   of   them.      I 
met  David  and  Jack  during  that  period  because  they  came  out 
especially  to  meet  me  because   their  father  requested  it,    to  talk  to 
me  about  what  my  plans  were  and  what  I  thought,    but  David  and  Jack 
weren't  really   directly  involved  in  any   of   the  negotiations. 

Lage:          But   it  was  their  property    rather   than  Will's? 

Brooks:      Yes.      Donald,    as   I  recall,    owned  it  outright  and  David's   property 
was  in  a   trust   for  his   benefit;   that  is.    his  father  was  trustee, 
but  it  was   going  to  expire  in  the  near  future.      I   think  Jack  also 
owned  his  outright,   but  he  kind  of   left  it   up  to  his  father   to  do 
what  he   thought  was  right. 

Lage:          That's   earlier   than   I'd  realized  that  the  family  became   interested 
in   developing  some   of   their   property. 

Brooks:      See,    we  look  at  the  family  as  two  sides:     Will  and  Henry,    and  this 
was  Will's   three   boys   that  really   got   started  here. 


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Working  with  Will.   Henry,   and  Don  Patterson 


Brooks:      So  we  started  a  relationship  with  that,    then  that  relationship 
continued,    and  I   formed  a  rather  close  relationship  with  Will 
Patterson.      He  was  a   nice   gentleman,   an  older  man. 

Lage:          Yes,    tell  me  more  about  him. 

Brooks:     He  was  a   real   gentleman  from   the  old  school;   in  ether  words,   very 
interested  in  what  happened  to  the   community.      As  you  probably 
know,    he  was  president  of   the  water  board   [board  of  directors  of 
Alameda   County  Water  District].     He   used  to   drive  around  in  a  jeep 
with  a  great  big  white  dog.      He'd  be   on  one   side,    and  the  big  white 
dog  would  be   sitting  on  the  other   side,    on  the   seatl      He'd  come 
by — not  to  this  office   because   the  original   office   I  built,   a  small 
office,   was  out  in  front  of  this   office,    where  the   street  is  new — 
and  he'd   come  by   on  an  average   of   once   a  week  or   so  with  his  dag. 
He'd  come  in  and  sit   down  and  talk  for  an  hour  or   so.      Sometimes 
I'd  drop  over  to  his  house  and  see  him.      So  we  had  a  very  good, 
friendly  relationship  outside   of  any  business  relationship. 

Lage:          Did  he  seem  pretty   aware  of   the  coming  of   development? 

Brooks:      Yes,   he  was  very  knowledgeable.     He  was  a  very  knowledgeable  and 
intelligent  man,   but  a  very   gentle  kind  of   man,   very  kind  and 
gentle.      But  he  was  a   good  businessman. 

Lage:          What  kind  of   an  arrangement   did  you  strike  on  this  particular  area 
that  we're  talking  about? 

Brooks:     Well,    we  bought   some  property   and  had  a  contract  for  a  series  of 
options  on  the   balance  because  he  wasn't  sure  and   I  wasn't  sure 
that,    you  know,    anybody   would  ever  buy   any   houses  in  this  area.      So 
we   said,    "All   right,    we'll  buy  a  portion  and  try  and  see  what 
happens,    and  then  if  we  can  make   it  work,    I'll  have  a  series  of 
options  to   continue. " 

Lage:          But   they   didn't  get  involved  in  sharing  in  the  development  at  all? 

Brooks:      No.      They  were  land  sellers,    really.      They   did  not    participate  in 
the  development  in  any  way. 

Lage:          But  when  he'd  come  by   to  sit  and  talk  with  you,   was  he  interested? 

Brooks:      Oh,   he  was  interested  in  the   development  and  how   it  was   being  done. 
He  was  very   interested  in  the  whole  process:     what  you  were  doing, 
hew  you  were   doing  it,    the  whole   process. 


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Lage:  I  guess  I  get  the  picture  from  others  that  Henry  was  more  the 
farmer  and  Will  was  kind  of  out  in  the  community  and  into  his 
mining  enterprises. 

Brooks:     Well,    there  was  a  big  difference  in  the  personalities  of   the  two. 

Henry  was  a  very   strict  kind  of   person  who  wasn't  really   a  friendly 
person,    and  when  he  talked  to  you  he  didn't  say  very   much.      He  was 
very   direct  in  what  he   said  but   said  very  little.      [laughter] 

Lage:         But  you  listened  to  those  few  words? 

Brooks:     Yes. 

Lage:          Did  you  talk  to  him  about   the  property? 

Brooks:     Well,   later  on.    subsequent  to  that   time,    then  I  talked  to  both 

Henry   and  Will.      Henry   said,    "Veil,    here's  another  portion  of   the 
ranch  that  the  whole  family  owns  that  we  may  have  an  interest  in 
doing  something  with."     So  I  had  a   number  of  meetings  with  beth 
Henry  and  Will.      In  fact,    we   concluded  an  agreement,    although  it 
wasn't  signed,    just  before  he  died. 

Lage:          I  see.     Before  Henry   died. 

Brooks:     Yes.      And  he  died  rather  suddenly.      That  agreement  never  went  into 
effect. 

Again,    Henry   was  a   good  guy   to  deal   with.      He  just  wasn't  as 
open  and  outgoing  as  Will  was. 

Lage:         Kind  of   reserved. 

Brooks:      Yes. 

Lage:          Did  he  have  as  much   interest  in  the  development  as  Will? 

Brooks:     No.     I  didn't  see  him  as  of  ten  and,  you  know,  he  j  ust  wasn't  as 
friendly. 

Lage:          But  he  didn't  object   to  the  idea  of   developing  part  of   the  ranch? 
Brooks:     No.   he  didn't  object. 

Lage:          Some   ef    the  pictures  we've  been  given  are  that  Henry   really  wanted 
just   to  farm. 

Brooks:     Well,   very   few   people  know,    and  probably  a  lot  of   the  family  don't 
know,    that  Henry  and  I  sat  down  and  worked  out  a   complete    contract 
for  a   portion  of    the  ranch  before  he  died,    with  Will  and  Henry 
together. 


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Lage:         What  portion  would   that  have   been?     Was  it  every  large  one? 

Brooks:     Yes.   it  was.     The  portion  where  the  Ardenwood  Regional   Park  is  now. 
what  we   called  at  that  time  Tract  0. 

Lage:         So  that  portion  would  have  been  developed  a  let  earlier  had  Henry 
not   died? 

Brooks:      Yes. 

Lage:         Was  the  flooding  controlled  at  that  point? 

Brooks:      Alameda   Creek  wasn't   constructed,    and  it  had  the  flood   problem. 
I'd  worked  out  an  engineering  solution  for  that,    which  I  had 
tentatively  approved  by   the   governmental  agency  to   do  a   diversion 
kind  of   engineering  project  where  we  diverted  the  flood  waters, 
with  a   series  of   ditches  and  dikes,    around  the   property.     We  had 
worked  out  a   tentative  engineering  solution  to  the  flooding 
problem. 

Lage:          So  was  that  all   part  of   the  contract? 

Brooks:      Yes,    it  was  all   part  of   the  whole   program.      Then,    of   course,   about 
that  period  the  Nimitz    freeway  was  proposed  also,    and  that  worked 
into  the  whole  engineering  problem  of  the  freeway  needing  some  fill 
materials  and  so  forth.      So  that  was  coordinated  with  the  whole 
pro  gram. 

Lage:          Why   did  you  decide  to  come  way  down  here?      You  said  your  first 
reaction  was  it  was  too  far  from   the   center  of  action. 

Brooks:      That's   a  hard  question  to  answer.      I   thought,    you  know,    "Maybe 
there's   some   potential    there  and  maybe  it's  worth   trying.11     And 
Will   and  Donald  both  were  so  good  to  work  with,    and  they  said,    "We 
know    that  these   problems  exist,    so  let's  try   to   structure   something 
that  will   relate  to  them.      We'll  try   it,    and  then  we'll  do   the 
options,   and  we'll   be   somewhat  flexible.      If   things   go  well,    then 
we'll  move  faster,    and  if   they   don't  go  well,   we'll  move  slower." 

I  thought  they  were  sincere  in  that,  and  they  were.  They  were 
very  flexible.  In  the  beginning  period,  there  were  lots  of  ups  and 
downs,  but  they  would  adjust,  regardless  of  what  the  contract  said, 
because  I  don't  think  anybody  ever  looked  at  the  contract  after  it 
was  signed.  They'd  look  at  things  as  they  were  occurring,  and  we'd 
adj  ust  to  them. 

Lage:          That's  interesting.      And  it  did  go  well.    I  assume. 

Brooks:      Yes.     With  Will  and  Don  and  Henry,    a  handshake  was  much  better   than 
a  written  contract.      If  you  got  a  handshake  from   them,    you  were 


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Brooks:  much  better  off  than  having  a  written  contract!  If  you  ignored  the 
contract  and  just  dealt  with  them  as  things  occurred,  you  were  much 
better  *ff. 


Lage: 
B  rooks 


Lage: 
B  rooks 


What  kinds  of   adjustment  had  to  be  made? 
kind  of   thing? 


In  payment  schedule,    that 


Well,    things  would  go  faster  or  slower,    and  we'd  have  tight  money 
periods  and  loose  money   periods.      As  you  did  the   detail 
engineering,     there1  d  be    changes   in  the  plans  where  you'd  have  to 
take  more  or  less  land  or  reduce   the   size   of  one   piece  and  make 
another  piece  bigger.      So  these  kinds  of  problems  that  would  flow 
with  the  economy  and  with  the  engineering  problems.      In  these   days 
there  was  a  whole  host  of   engineering  problems  because  the  whole 
area  was  mainly  undeveloped,    so  you  had  to   go  out  and  start  from 
scratch  and  solve  the  various  engineering  problems.      Access  and 
drainage  problems  and  sewer  problems  and  water  problems.      You  had 
to  face  each   one   of   those   and  find  a   solution  to  it. 

Now,   we're  talking  about   the   period  before  incorporation? 
Yes. 


Designing  Systems  and  Working  with  Government   to  Facilitate 
Development 


Lage:         Were  you  one  of   the  first  developers  in  the  area,    then?     Or  the 
first? 

Brooks:     One   of   the  first.      The  only  one   that  came  down  about  the  same  time 
that  I   can  recall  was  a  fellow  named  Jim  Myers  who  developed 
Glenmoor.      He   came   down  about   the  same  time. 

Lage:          How   did  you  deal  with   problems  like   the   sewer  problem? 

Brooks:     Well,    you  j  ust  begin  to  design  systems.      Sometimes  interim  systems, 
temporary  systems,    that  would  work  until  a  whole  master  system 
could   ceme  into  place.      All   the  Patterson  land  wasn't  even  in  the 
sewer   district. 

Lage:          Didn't  you  have   something  to  do  with  getting  people   signed  up  for  a 
sewer   district? 

Brooks:     Yes.      Well,    at  this  end  of   the  city   there  were   two  sewer  districts: 
Union  Sanitary  and  the  Decoto   districts.      They  were   two   small 
districts,    serving  small  areas,    but  the  land  in  between  them  was 
kind  of   no-man1 s-land. 


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Lage:          They   didn't  need  sewer   districts  on  the  farm. 

Brooks:      So   I   get  the  sewer  districts  together,    and  they   decided  they'd  be 
much  better  off  with  one  big  district   than  two   small   ones.      But  in 
order  to  merge   the  districts,    they   had  to  get  all  the  land  in 
between.      So  I  went  to  all   the   property   owners  involved  and  all   the 
farmers  and  got  a   petition  to  annex  to  the  Union  Sanitary  District, 
and  then  the  Union  Sanitary   District  annexed  the  Decoto  District  t© 
make  it  one  big  district. 

Lage:          And  you  were   the  force   behind  that? 

Brooks:      I   did  all   the  work  on  it.      You  see.   when  I  first   came  down  here. 

the  Union  Sanitary   District  had  one   part-time  employee.     They  only 
had  one  employee.      He  worked  half  a  day!      That  was  the  whole 
district.      So  they   didn't  have  any   staff   at   all.      So  in  order  to 
get  it  dene,    somebody   had  to  do  it.      The  one  employee  they   had  was 
an  older  man,   kind  of   semi-retired,   you  know,   who  would  spend  half 
a   day — 

Lage:          The  district  kind  of   ran  itself,    it  sounds  like. 

Brooks:      Yes.      In  working  with  their  board,   which  was  local  merchants  and 

farmers,    I  laid  out  the  whole  plan  to  them.     They  were  receptive  te 
it,   but  they   didn't  have  any   staff   to  implement  it,    so  I  just  went 
out  and  did  it. 

Lage:          How   about   the  Pattersons?      Did  Will  Patterson  do  any  of   the 
politicking  on  this? 

Brooks:     No.      Except  for  being  cooperative  in  annexing  a   substantial   portion 
of   the   Patterson  property,    signing  the   petition  for   that — which 
both  Henry  and  Will   together  did;  it  wasn't  just  Will  alone — other 
than  that  they  said,    "Well,    if  you  can   get  it   done,    fine.      We  will 
not  oppose  you  in  any   way.      If   anybody   asks   us,    we'll  tell   them  we 
signed  the   petition." 

Lage:          But   they   didn't  go   te  talk  to  their  neighbors. 

Brooks:     What   I'd  do  is   I'd  work  during  the   day  and  in  the  early   evenings 

I'd  just   go  out   and  visit  each  landowner  or  each  farmer  and  explain 
the  whole  program  to  them  and  have   them   sign  the   petition.      After 
doing  that  for   several    months  I  had  enough   signatures  on  the 
petition  so  that   the  annexation   could  take   place. 

Lage:         What  about  the  drainage   problems?     What  did  you  do   there? 

Brooks:     Before  the  major  Army  Corps  of  Engineers   project,    the  whole  area 
was   subject   to  flooding. 

Lage:          Even  this  far  in? 


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Brooks:     Well,    it  was  from  about  two  blocks   down,    all   the  way  north,   and 
then  all   the  way   east,    swinging  around,    even  above  this  area. 

So  I  designed  a  series   of   interim   systems  to  bypass 
floodwaters  for   the  various  things   I  was  working  on.      Of  course  the 
governmental  agency  knew   that  the  Army  Corps   of  Engineers   project 
was   going  to  come  along  some   day.      They   weren't   sure  of   the  timing, 
but  it  had  been  worked  on  for  some   twenty  years   prior,    and  like 
most   governmental   projects,    they   start  the  studies  and  twenty  years 
later  maybe   they'll   start   some  work,      [laughter]      So  they  were 
aware  that  there  was  an  overall  commitment  that  some  day   in  the 
future   there'd  be   the  Alameda   Creek  project.      So  I   did  a    series   of 
interim  projects  that  would  take   care  of  special,    localized 
problems. 

Lage:          And  these  were  diversion  canals? 

Brooks:      Diversion   canals,    dikes,    and  a  whole   series  of   things.      Bypass 
kinds  of   systems. 

Lage:         Did  you  feel   pretty   comfortable  that  those  would  take  care  of  the 
problem? 

Brooks:     Oh,    sure.      In  fact,    I  sat  at  the  drawing  board  and  did  them  myself. 
Lage:          So  there's  your  engineering  background   coming  into   play. 

Brooks:  I  took  the  basic  plans  to  the  governmental  agencies  involved  and 
had  their  engineers  say,  "Yes,  this  will  work."  Then  we  did  the 
detailed  engineering  drawings  from  that. 

Lage:          And  then  who   paid  for   the  work  involved? 

Brooks:      I  did. 

Lage:         You  did,    as  the  developer. 

I  talked  to  Matt  Whitfield  as  part  of  this  project    [see 
interview  in  this  series]  and  he  mentioned  some   of   the  early 
drainage    solutions  weren't  very   good  for   the  water  basin.      I   think 
this  was  runoff   into  the — 

Brooks:     Well.    Matt  Whitfield  was.  you  know,   general   manager  of   the    [Alameda 
County]   water   district  and  they   depend  a  lot  on  percolation,   so  if 
water  is  laying  on  the  ground,    for  his   specialized  interest,    if   it 
percolates  into   the  water  basin,    you  know,    it's   good  for   them. 
When  I   take   a  piece   of   land,    I   isolate  it   so   that  it  will  not  be 
subject  to  flooding,    it  would  not  have   surface  waters    going  into 
the  ground.      But   the  water  district   never  had  any   serious  objection 
to  what  we  were   doing.      In  fact,    they  were  very   cooperative. 


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Lage:          But  I  thought  there  was  something  about   diverting  runoff  and 

letting  the  runoff   go  into  the  water  basin.     He  was  fearful  of 
contaminating  the  water  basin,    I  thought. 

Brooks:     Well,    he's  always  been  fearful,    but  on  the  projects  I  was  doing, 

that  was  not  an  issue.     No,    Matt  Whitfield  and  I  have  been  friends 
for  years  and  years  and  worked  together  on  various  projects  for 
years  and  years. 

Lage:          Did  you  find  that  the  water  district  was  adaptable? 

Brooks:      Oh.    very    cooperative.      They've   always   been  very    cooperative. 

Historically,    they've  been   cooperative,    and  they're  probably   one   of 
the  best  districts  to  work  with  of  any   district.      Matt  ran  the 
district   in  a  very   practical,    businesslike  way  and  was  very 
straightforward  as  far  as  engineering  solutions  were   concerned.     He 
did  not  get  involved  in  inserting  politics  into  engineering 
solutions,  which  some   districts   do. 

Lage:          And,    there  again,    you  had  the  Will  Patterson  tie  with  the  water 
board. 

Brooks:      In  the  early  period  Will  Patterson  was  with  the  water  beard,    but 

through  much  of   the   development  of  Fremont  and  after.    Will  left  the 
water  board  and  then  he  later  died.      [William  Patterson  served  en 
the  Board  of  Directors  of  the  Alameda  County  Water  District  from 
its  founding  in  1914  to  1958.     He  was  president  of   the  board  from 
1932  to  1954.      He   died  in  1962.] 


The  Incorporation  of   Fremont;      Conflicts  with  Newark 


Lage:          We're  talking  about   dealing  with  governmental   agencies  and  that 
should  bring  us  to  Fremont's  incorporation.      Before  it  was 
incorporated,   who  were  you  dealing  with? 

Brooks:      The    county.      The   county  had  authority,    except  for  the  local 

districts,    like   the  water  district  and  the  sanitary   district.      The 
county  had  planning  and   development  authority. 

Lage:          How   receptive  were  they   to  your  plans? 

Brooks:      There  weren't  any  real   problems.      The   county  was,    I'd  say,    very 
receptive  to  the  plans  I  brought  to  them. 

Lage:          How   did  you  feel  about  incorporation?      Was  this  something  that  you 
wanted  to  see  happen? 


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Brooks:     Well.   I  was  one   of   the  incerperators,   one  of   the  leaders  en  the 
incorporation  committee,    so  it's  obvious   I   favored  it. 

Lage:          What  were  your  reasons?      You  hadn't  had  trouble  working  with  the 
county.      I  knew   that  was  one   of   the  arguments  for  incorporation. 

Brooks:      I  just  felt,   and  I   think  there  was  a   general   feeling  in  the 

community  and  with  the  chambers  of  commerce,    which  I  was  very 
active  on.    that  the  time  had  come  to  have   some  really  local 
government  and  not  government  at  the  other  end  of   the  county  and  to 
join  these   communities  together.      It  was  like  joining  the   two 
little  sanitary   districts  together,   making  one   good  district   out   of 
it.      The   same   thing  applied  to   the   city.      So   I  was  very  active  in 
that  incorporation  movement. 

Lage:          Was  there  a  particular  thrust?      Was  land  planning  something  that 
they  were   concerned  about  in  planning  for  incorporation? 

Brooks:     Oh  yes.    that  was  one   of   the  big  thrusts.     There  were  some  disputes 
with  the  county  because  Newark  had  incorporated  first  and  they 
wanted  to  include   a  great  portion  of   the  Patterson  Ranch  in  their 
incorporation,   and  the  local  leaders  from   Fremont   get  the 
supervisors  to  reverse   that  in  a  mysterious  kind  of  way! 
[laughing] 

Lage:  Tell  me  more  about  that  because   I  wondered — 

Brooks:  Well,    they  had  it  all  lined  up  in  all   the — 

Lage:  Newark  was  first? 

Brooks:  Newark  was  first. 

Lage:          And  at  the  time  they   incorporated,    did  they   try   to  get  the 
Patterson  Ranch? 

Brooks:     Yes.      They   had  that  all  en  their  incorporation  plans. 

Lage:          And  why  was  that  omitted,    if   Fremont   didn't  have  its   plans  in  place 
yet? 

Brooks:     Well,    seme  of   the  local  leadership  from  what  would  become  Fremont 
just   didn't   think  that  Newark   should  have   that   portion  of  land  in 
Newark.      So  they   were  able   to  politically   convince   the  local 
supervisor  it   shouldn't   be  included,    and  he   convinced   the  rest   of 
the  members  of   the  board  and  excluded  that  property   from  Newark. 
It  has  been  a  problem   between  the   two   cities   over   the  years.      This 
continued  because  Newark  really   thought   they   got   cheated  out  at  the 
last  minute  in  some  mysterious  way,    because   they   didn't  realize 
what  was  happening  until    the  actual  vote  was  taken  by   the  board! 


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Lage:          Newark  is  a  very  tiny   city,   and  the   Patterson  Ranch  would  have  made 
it  much  bigger. 

Brooks:     It  weuld  have  been  much  larger  if  the  political  maneuvering  hadn't 
taken  place. 

Lage:          Can  you  tell  me  more  about  what  was  behind  the  political 
maneuvering?     Were  you  involved  in  it  yourself? 

Brooks:     Well,    I  was  involved  in  it,    along  with  several   ethers.      You  knew, 
there  were  some  thoughts  at  that  point  of   time   of  incorporating 
Fremont.      It  was  thought  that  would  be  a  logical  property   for 
Fremont  to  have  and  not  Newark.     That  was  kind  of  a   separate, 
opposing  group.      You  know,    it  became  kind  of   a  little  challenge 
between  the   two   groups. 

Lage:          And  one  had  the  ear  of   their  supervisor. 

Brooks:      They  both   thought  they  had  the  ear   of   the  supervisor,   but  the  way 
it  wound  up,    at  the  last  minute,    the  vote  went  against  Newark. 

Lage:  Who  was   the  supervisor?      Do  you  remember  him? 

Brooks:  I'll  try   and  remember  his  name.      I   can't  remember  his  name  offhand. 

Lage:  Now,    did  the   Pattersons  take  a  position  on  that? 

Brooks:  No,    they   did  not  get  involved  with  that  at  all. 

Lage:  And  here  it  was   their  land. 

Broeks:     Yes.      No,    they   did  not  get  involved  with  that  at  all.      They   pretty 
much  stayed  away  from  local  politics  through  the  years.      Will  was 
interested  in  the  water   district  and  some  politics,    but  the  family 
pretty  much  isolated  themselves  from  local  politics   until  just 
recently,    in  the  last   couple  of  years. 

Lage:          Now,    I'm  still   curious.     Was   there   something  about  the  Newark  scene 
that  made  you,    who  had  some  interest  in  developing  the  Patterson 
Ranch,   feel  it  wouldn't   be  as   good? 

Brooks:     Ne.    that  did  not  enter  into  it  because   the  big  portion  they   were 

talking  about  nobody   even  thought  about   developing.      It  was  at  the 
far  end,    so  far  removed.     But   the  group  in  Fremont  that  was 
thinking  about  incorporation  and  beginning  to  work  on  that   problem 
just   didn't   think  it   properly   should  be  in  Newark! 

Lage:          They  just  wanted  the  land. 

Brooks:     Yes.      [laughter]      It  was  like   the  old  cowboys  and  Indians,    I   guess 
you'd  call  it,   and  if  you  can  take  it   over,    it's  yours. 


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III      PLANNING   IN   FREMONT.    1950s-1960s 

Community  Divisions  over  Timing  of  Growth  and  Development 
[Date  of   Interview:     November  20.   1987]    *f 


Lage:  Last  week  we  talked  about  the  incorporation  of  Fremont  and  I  asked 
you  whether  there  was  a  no-growth  sentiment  involved  in  that.  You 
said,  "It's  not  so  much  'no-growth1  as  'let's  plan  things  better.1" 

Brooks:     Yes.    that  was  the  motivation  behind  the  incorporation.    I 

understand.      Have   planning  transferred  from   the  remote   county  area, 
where  there  was  only  one   representative  of   this  area  on  the  beard 
of   supervisors  which   controlled   the   planning,  zoning,  and  whatever 
happened,    to  a  local   group  in  the  form   of   a  city   council   that  could 
deal  with   the  local   communities. 

Lage:          Now    they    talk  about   Fremont,    "the  planned  city."     They   pride 
themselves  on  that.     Was   the  initial   impetus  to  plan   growth? 

Brooks:     Yes,    that  started  immediately   after  incorporation.      Of   course,    it 
was  part  of  the  motivation  for  incorporation.      So  almost 
immediately  following  the  incorporation,    the  city  employed  some 
outside   planning  professionals  to   develop  various   plans  for   the 
future  growth  of    the  community.     Those   plans  were  finally  adopted. 
Although   they've   been  amended  a  number   of    times,    the    concepts 
incorporated  in  those   plans  are  still   the  concepts  being  used  for 
planning  and   growth  in  Fremont. 

Lage:          That's  pretty   unusual    in  a  young  city. 

Brooks:      I  look  upon  the  amendments  more  as  adjustments  to   the   original 
plan.      The  original   plan  is   really   still   intact. 

Lage:          That's  interesting.      I  had  heard  that   there  was,    in  the  fifties  and 
sixties  at  least,    a  strong  division  on  the  council   and  even  in  the 
community   between  a  no-growth   sentiment  and  a  move-ahead   plan. 


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Brooks 


Lage : 
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Lage: 
Brooks 

Lage: 


Throughout  the  history  of   Fremont,    there've  always   been  these 
factions.      One  faction  comes  into  power  that  slows  growth  down, 
then  another  one   comes  into  power  and  speeds  it  up,    and  it's   gene 
back  and  forth.     But   it  really   relates  to  the  timing  for  growth 
more  than  the  general  plan  developed.      You  know,    growth  more   or 
less  followed  the  general   plan.      The  timing  questions  were  the  big 
questions,   and  then  also  some  of  the  interpretations  to  implement 
the  plan. 

Hasn't  the  plan  been  cut   down  somewhat,    in  terms  of  density  of 
housing  and — 

Well,    it's  been  cut   down  somewhat  in  the  number  of  people  that  will 
eventually  live  in  Fremont.     The  various  areas  have  the   same 
general   kinds   of   uses,    but  less  intense. 


I've  heard  that   this   division  was  even  in  the   social    clubs, 
must  have  been  a  lot  of   tension  involved. 


There 


Yes,    it  existed  throughout  the   community.      The   chamber  of   commerce 
had  one   position,    and  the  more  affluent   people,    for  example  in 
Mission  San  Jose,   had  another  opinion. 

Were  they   more  "slow   down"? 

Yes,    more  affluent  people  in  the  community  wanted  to  raise  the 
drawbridge   so   that  nobody   else   could  come  in.     You  know,   if   they 
had  some  vacant  land  next   to  where  they   lived,    they  wanted  it  to 
stay  vacant  for   their  own  use.      If   they  had  a  vacant   parcel  behind 
their  house,    they  would  prefer  to  see   that  vacant. 

Did  it   divide  along  party  lines,    Republican  and  Democrat? 


No,    net  really, 
difference. 


Not  really.      The  party   lines  made   almost  no 


How   does  the  Fremont  area  line  up  in  terms  of  parties? 
heavily  one   or   the  other? 


Is  it 


It  was  heavily  Democratic  for  most   of   its  history,    but  if  you  look 
at  the  voting  records,    it's   gradually  becoming  more  and  more 
conservative,    although  whether  they're  registered  Democrats  or 
Republicans   doesn't  really  indicate   the   sentiment. 

But   the  vote   does. 

The  votes  have  indicated  that  the  community   is  becoming  more  and 
more   conservative,   moving  more  and  more  to  the  right  from  the  left. 

That's  a  bit  off   our   topic,    but   do  you  have   some  thoughts  about  why 
that'  s  happened? 


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Brooks:     Well,    because  people  located  here   originally  with  barely  enough  for 
a  down  payment  on  a  house  and  sometimes  borrowed  some  money  from 
parents,    and   the  value   of   properties  has  increased  very 
substantially.      As  a   result,    their  net  worth  has  increased  very 
substantially,   primarily  because   of   the  homes   they   own.     As   people 
get  more  and  more  affluent,    and  with   the  higher  and  higher  net 
worth,    they  tend  to  be  mere  and  more   conservative  and  move  from   the 
left  more  to  center. 


A  Cooperative  Relationship  with  Planning  Director  Roy   Potter 


Lage :          We  talked  about   the  planning  aspect.      Let's   discuss  how  you  worked 
with  the  planning  staff  of   the   city  and  how  you  evaluate  their 
abilities.      You  mentioned  Roy   Potter  in  particular    [planning 
director,   1958-1966]. 

Brooks:     Yes.    well.    Roy   Potter  probably  was  the  person  who  had  the  most 

influence  on  the   present   plan,    although  he's   been   gone  a  number   ef 
years.      His   concepts  still  exist.      The  planning  concepts  he  had  are 
still   part  of  the  plan,    and  then  the   concepts   of   implementing  the 
plan  that  were  developed  by  Roy   Potter  are  largely   in  place. 
Although  they've  been  refined  and  have  become  much  more 
sophisticated,    the  basic  theory   ef  what  he  was  talking  about  still 
exists. 

Lage:         What  would  have  been  his  plan? 

Brooks:     He   developed  the   planned  district    [PD]   and  the   PUD    [planned  unit 
development].      At  that  point  in  time  most  developments  were  just 
taking  place  on  a   standard- ordinance   basis.      You  had   certain   size 
lots  and  streets.      The  planning  tended  to  be   rectangular  kinds  ef 
subdivisions.      He  was  interested  in   creating  a   different  kind   of 
living  environment  and  being  able   to  create   parks   and  open  spaces 
and  mere  attractive   streets  capes.      So  he   began  to   develop  these 
planning  kinds  ef   strategies  that  would  change   the  nature  of   the 
way   things  were   developed.      Working  with  him  we  created  the  first 
park  in  Fremont. 

Lage:          Was  that  a   park  created  within  a   development? 

Brooks:      It  was   created  in  a   development   by   rearranging  the  lot   sizes, 
taking  a  little  bit  out  ef   each  lot  and  accumulating  what  he 
thought  was  really  excess  and  not  usable  to  the  homeowner.      We 
combined  those   little   tiny    increments  into  one  large   parcel. 

Lage:          Sort   of  a   commons  idea. 

Brooks:     Yes.      He  was  very   much   for   the  commons   idea. 


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Lage :          And  that  was   the   planned  unit   concept? 

Brooks:  Yes,  planned  unit  development.  That  was  kind  of  the  first  stage 
because  moving  the  political  forces  very  far  at  one  time  is  very 
difficult.  So  it  was  done  in  gradual  stages. 

Lage:          That   seemed  like  a   pretty  radical   idea? 

Brooks:     Yes,    that  was  a  pretty   radical    idea,    although,    you  knew,    it  was  a 
very   simple,    unsophisticated  kind  of   approach. 

He'd   come  into  this  office.      I  was  located  in  this  office  at 
that   time,    and  that  wall  had  a  big  blackboard  en  it.      He'd  come  in 
and  we'd  spend  a  whole  afternoon,    four  or  five  hours,    talking  about 
what   could  be   done  and  what  was  economically   feasible.      So  he'd 
draw    seme  kind  of   sketch   on  the  blackboard  and  he'd  say,    "Why   won't 
this  work?"     Then  I'd  comment  on  why   it  wouldn't  work.       I'd   say, 
"If  you  change   it  this  way,    then  it  might  work."     And  we'd  keep 
making  various  sketches  and  analyzing  the  various   sketches   until  we 
came  up  with  net  only  something  that  we  thought  would  work  as  far 
as  development  is   concerned,   but  something  that  was  acceptable 
politically  as  well. 

Lage:          That's  really   interesting.      Would  you  meet  with  him  in  the  very 
first   stages  of  a   development? 

Brooks:     Well,    it  was  kind  of   an  unusual    relationship  because   I   don't   think 
he   did   that  with  any  other   developer.      He'd  come  in,    and  it  was 
kind  of   a  personal   relationship  between  the  two  of  us.      Once  we 
worked  something  out,    then  he'd  try  to   get  other   developers  to   go 
along  with   the  idea.      In  fact,    most  of  them  would  net  even  go  along 
with  the  PUD  idea  until  we  had  dene  a   couple   ©f   them  and  they   could 
go  out  and  see  it. 

Then  he  was  able  to  take   the  planning  information  and  the 
information  I'd  given  him  to   present  arguments  to  other   developers 
on  why   they   should  do  it.      Then  sometimes  the  other  developers 
would  check  with  me  to  see  how   the  economics  were  working  out,  and 
I  would  support  Roy's  view   because  we'd  worked  it  out   together, 
[laughter]      It  was  really  kind  of  a  partnership   between   government 
and  private  enterprise,    trying  to  arrive  at  some  common  ground  that 
would  create  a  better  community  environment  and  then  that 
partnership  selling  it  to  the  other  people  who  might  be  involved  in 
development. 

Lage:         And  selling  it  to  the  council   tee. 

Brooks:      Yes,   and  selling  it   politically.      I  would  sell   it  to  the   chamber   of 
commerce,    for  example.     He  would  try   to  sell   it   to,   you  know,    people 
within  the   city.     But  the  end  result  was,    I   think,    a  better  living 
environment,    without   raising  the  cost  of   housing  to  the  purchaser. 


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Lage: 
B  rooks : 


Did  you  find  that  this  was  helpful   on  the   sales  end  of   things? 
the  public  like  it? 


Did 


Lage: 


B  rooks 


Lage: 
Brooks : 


Lage: 


Well,    the  public,    to  begin  with,    coming  out  to  buy  a  house,    paid 
little  attention  to  the  fact   that   there  might   be  a   park  down  the 
street   in  the  future.      They   usually   focus  on  the  need  for  a  park 
after  they've  lived  there  for  a  while.      So  it  really  wasn't  a  big 
plus  as  far  as  marketing  is   concerned,   but  it  relieved  a  lot  of 
pressure   en  the   city  as   time  went  en  because   they   didn't  have  the 
pressures  to  create  parks  at  city   expense. 

Sounds  like  a  very  well-thought-eut  idea.     You  mentioned  that 
planned  unit  development  wasn't  new   to  Fremont,    that  it  had  been 
practiced  in  the  East,   but  that  this  was  one  of  the  first — 

Yes.    it  had  been  done  in  the  East,    but  very   little  of   it  had  been 
dene  in  the  West,    in  California,    at   that  point  in  time.      There  were 
some  projects,    and  seme  we  looked  at.    Roy  and  I  reviewed,    that  were 
done  in  the  1800s   that  had  seme   of   these    concepts.      You  knew,   like 
the  commons  area  in  Boston  and  places  like   that.      We  tried  te  leek 
at  these  and  see  hew   they  worked  ever  a  long  period  of   time.     We'd 
say,    "This   one's   been  there  a  hundred  years,    and  people  living 
there  are  happy,    and  they'd  be  very   unhappy   if  you   tried  to   take 
those   benefits  away    from    them.      So  it  was  a  good  idea  a  hundred 
years  ago,    and  it's   still  working,    and  values  have  increased 
substantially  because   of   that  kind  of   planning  there;   why   can't  we 
use  it  here?" 

That  was  part  of   the  discussion  process  and  the  questioning  we 
went   through.      "Why   can't   that    concept   be    used?"     Then  we'd   get 
inte  various  areas  and  say.    'Veil,    we  can  take   the  basic  concept, 
but  we  have  te  modify  it  this  way  to  make  it  fit  the   current 
situation  and  the  current   economics." 

Some  of   these   things  are  not  new.      You  knew,    some  of   the  basic 
planning  ideas   that  are   being  used  now  were   used  by   the  Romans. 

That's  right,   we're  reinventing  the  wheel  with  a  let  ef    things. 

Yes.   yeu're  just   picking  up  ideas   that  were   developed  a  long  time 
ago.      A  let  ef   the  housing  types  were   developed  as  a   result  of 
these  discussions.      The  kind  ef  walled-in  lots  with  entrances  with 
inside   gardens  and  that  kind  ef   thing  that  have  been  done  in 
Fremont,   well,   you  knew,    the  Romans  had  done  that  and  the  Europeans 
still   do   it. 

Did  some  of    this   come  out  of   discussion  with  Roy   Potter  also?      It 
wasn't  just   the   public  spaces,    but   some   of   the   design  of   the  homes? 


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Brooks:      Yes.      Typically,    we'd  come  in  without  any  agenda,    just  explore  and 
talk  far  four  or  five  hours  at  a  time  about  almost  anything  that 
came  te  mind  in.   you  know,    that   general   area   of   planning  and  living 
environment  and  hew  you  could  do  a  particular  lot  that  might  be 
more   desirable. 

Lage:          It   sounds  really  exciting. 

Brooks:      It  was  just  a  brainstorming  session,   and  we   did  it   pretty 
regularly. 

Lage:          You  must  have  had  a  meeting  of   the  minds  with  him. 

Brooks:     Well,   we   pretty  much  did.     He'd  come  to  my   office,   rather   than  me 
going  te   the   city,    because   we  didn't  have  the  interruptions  here. 
I'd  turn  off  my  phone.      He  had  trouble  turning  off   his   phone  and 
his   staff   people  at  City  Hall.      So  he'd  come  down  here,    and  we'd 
close   the   door  and  spend  the   time  just  reviewing  these  things. 

Lage:         What  was  his  background?     Where  did  he  come  from? 

Brooks:      I   can't  recall  where  Roy   came  from.     He  was  the  first   planning 

director  here  when  the  city   hired  him.      He  was  planning  director  in 
some  other   city. 

Lage:  Do  you  remember  how   long  he  was  here?     When  did  he  leave? 

Brooks:  Roy  was  here,    oh,    three  or  four  years,    something  like  that. 

Lage:  Oh.    it  was  that  short  a   time? 

Brooks:  Yes.      He  wasn't  here  for  a  long  period  of   time. 


The  Planned  District   Concept;      Planning  and  Politics 


Lage:          Now.    from   the  planned  unit  development  you  went  into  the  planned 
district   concept.      How  was   that   different? 

Brooks:     Well,    the  planned  unit  development  was  merely  how  you  reduce  a 

series  of  lots,   maybe  the  width  from   sixty  feet  te  fifty-eight  feet 
or  fifty-five  feet  to  create  an  open  space,   whereas  the  planned 
district   becomes  more   sophisticated.      You  can  have   private   streets, 
and  you  can  vary   the  ordinance   requirements  for   setbacks  and  side 
yards,   and  you  combine  units  with  common  walls.      You  can   do  a  whole 
series  of    things.      With   a   PUD  you  can't   change   the  street   size. 
With  a  planned  district  you  can  vary   the   street  width  te 
accommodate  what  you're  really   creating. 


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Lage  : 
B  rooks : 


Lage: 
Brooks : 


Lage: 


But   the   •verall   balance  has  to  remain  the   same? 

The  overall   density   remains  the  same,    whereas  one  of  the 
differences  between  a   PUD  and  a  PD  is   that  a  PUD  has  lots  all   of 
the  same   size.      You  deal   with  lots  all  of   the  same  size,    whereas 
with  a  PD  you  can  vary   the  let   sizes.      You've  just    got   total 
flexibility.      The  limitation  it  has  is.    "Dees  it   create  a  better 
living  environment  and  do  you  maintain  the   general   plan   density?" 

Now.    the  general   plan,    it's  net  a  fixed  density   for   each 
parcel,    it's  in  steps.      The  first   step  is  what  would  be  a  regular 
development  or  a  PUD.    and  then  it's   got  a   step  two  and  three,    and 
you  can  increase   the   density  within  those  ranges   by   creating  a 
better  environment  and  better  facilities  for  the  people  who  live 
there.     You  do  landscaping  of   streetscapes  and   common  recreational 
facilities  for   the  home  owners,    and  that  kind  of    thing,    in  a   PD 
that  you  can't   do  with   the    standard   ordinance   or   the    PUD. 


Lage: 
B  rooks : 


When  would  you  have  started  working  with  the  PD  concept? 
are  we  talking  about? 


How  late 


Well,    the  PD  concept  grew   out  of   the  PUD.     Once  we  got  that  to 
where  it  was  acceptable,   politically  acceptable,    then  we  said. 
"Well,    why   can't  we  do   seme  of   the  ether   things   that  they've  been 
doing  for  2000  years?" — to   pick  up  seme   ef   those   concepts   that  were 
good  and  had  been  working  for   that  long  a   time. 

We   said.    "Well,    the   ordinances   that  require  a   twenty-foot 
front  yard  and  a   ten- feet   side  yard  and  a   twenty-foot  backyard  just 
won't  work.      You   can't  apply    those    concepts   because   they're   too 
confining."     So   the  basic  idea  behind  the  PD  was  that  you  did  not 
have  to   comply  with  any   ef   these   ordinances.      The  PD  is  a  separate 
zone   of   itself.      You  zone  it  PD  so  you  don't  have  to  comply  with 
any   ef   these   ordinances.      You  just   try  to  take   that   parcel  and  just 
create  a  superior  living  environment. 


Now.   who  judges  if  it  is  superier? 
political   arena. 


This  must  have   gotten  into  the 


Yes.      Then,    once  you  do   that,    then  the  staff  judges  and  makes  the 
recommendation;   the  planning  commission  then  reviews  it.   and  either 
supports   the   staff   or  doesn't  support  them.      Once   the  planning 
commission  has  their  comments,    then  it  goes  to  the   city   council   f  or 
final   approval,    and  then  the  city   council   makes  a  judgment.      So 
it's  a  whole   series   of   political  judgments  made   along  the  way. 

Would  the  council  pretty   much  support  the  planning  commission  or 
did  some   of    these   things   become   controversial? 


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Brooks:      Well,    both  ways.      Quite   often  they'd  support  the   planning 

commission,    mere  often  than  net.    but  any  number  of   times  the 
council  would  say,    "Well,    we  really   don't  like  everything  the 
planning  commission  has   done,    se  we're  going  to  vary   that."     So 
then  they'd  send  it  back  to  the   planning  commission  with  some   of 
their  recommendations,    "Well,    I  think  this   should  be   changed  and 
that  should  be   changed,"  and  the   planning  commission  would  review 
it  again,    then  it  would  go  back  to  the  council   againl 

Lage:          And  you  would  be  actively   there,    supporting  the — 

Brooks:     Yes,    well,    during  that  period  the  council  was  meeting  one  night  a 
week  and  the  planning  commission  one  night  a  week.      I  spent  at 
least  two  nights  a  week  in  council  chambers,    before  one  or  the 
other,   and  quite  often  these  meetings  would   go  on  till  one,    two  in 
the  morning.      I  remember  one   that  went  on  till   three  o'clock  one 
morning.      They'd  argue  for  hours  and  hours  about   these  various 
things. 

Lage:          Was  this   during  the  sixties  that  they   went  on  that  long  or  right  at 
the  initial   stages  in  the  fifties? 

Brooks:     Well,    from    the  initial   stages  on  through   the  mid-sixties.     Then  it 
gradually  began  to  boil  down  to  some  more  or  less  standard — Roy  was 
gone   by   that  time — some   standard  concepts  and  getting  back  te  some 
standard  rules  they  would  follow,   which  I  think  was  a  mistake 
because   they'd  taken  the  flexibility   out  of   it. 

Lage:          So  they   did  stop  working  with  these  mere  flexible  arrangements? 

Brooks:     Ne,    they  kept  working  with   them  but  they  began  to  develop  standards 
for  that  kind  of   thing,   which  more   or  less   gets   back  into  moving 
towards,    effectively,    ordinance   requirements  againl 

Lage:          I   see  what  you  mean.      That   seems  to  be  the   progression  ef   things. 

Brooks:     Well,    it  makes  it  a  lot  easier  for   the  political   forces  to  deal 
with  something  that's  related  to  a   standard. 

Lage:          Right,    but   it  may  be  easier  also  for  a  developer.      Now,    you  seemed 
te  like   the   challenge   of   this  more  flexible  approach. 

Brooks:      The   standard  approach   is   a  lot  easier  for  developers  also.      It's 

easier  for  everybody  involved,   but  it  takes   the   challenge  away  from 
doing  something  really  different. 


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Involvement  with   the  Alameda  County   Flood   Control   District 


Lage:          We'll  be   earning  back  to   seme   of   this  business  with  the   council,    but 
I  want   to  talk  a  little  mere  about   flood  control.      We  talked  last 
time  about  seme  of   the  interim  measures  that  you  took  to   deal  with 
flooding,    but  we  missed  the  part  about  the  Alameda  County  Flood 
Control   Project  itself. 

Brooks:     You're   talking  about   the  Corps  of   Engineers  project   on  Alameda 
Creek? 

Lage:          Right.      Now.    one   thing  I  mentioned  is  that  Will  Patterson  was 
chairman  of  the  Alameda  County   Flood  Control   District,    or 
president. 

Brooks:     No.    he  was  president  of   the  water  district. 

Lage:          But  also  he  had  something  to   do  with  the  flood  centre!   district 
[first   chairman  of   the  advisory   commission  ef   the  Alameda   County 
Flood  Control  and  Water  Conservation  District,    from  1949  until 
1955.   or  later]. 

Brooks:     No.    he  wasn't  really  involved  in  the  flood  control   district.      He 

was  president  of  the  water  district  and  was  the  person  who  was  the 
motivating  force  behind  getting  the  water  district  formed.      But  the 
flood   centre!   district  is   completely   separate. 

Lage:          I  knew    that,    but   I  believe  he  was  involved  in  the  flood  control 
district  also.      Maybe  it  was  an  advisory   board   chairman. 

Brooks:     He  might  have  participated  in  the  meetings  and  that   sort  of   thing, 
but  he  had  no  official   position  with   the  flood   control    district. 
Because   the  flood  centre!   district   didn't  really   get  going  until — 

Lage:         Well,    there  must  have  been  something  earlier  to  deal  with  it. 

Brooks:     You  see.    all   the  flood  control   measures  before  incorporation  were 
really   controlled  by   the   county  engineering  department.      There 
wasn't  really  a  flood  control   district  as   such. 

Lage:          Right.      That  was  when  he  was  involved,   when  the   county  was  in 
charge  of   it. 

Brooks:      Yes,   but   that  was   under   the  standard  engineering  staff   of    the 
county. 

Lage:          Right,    and  he  was   sort  ef   advisory   board   chairman,    apparently. 
Brooks:     Well,   he  may  have   been,    but  was  in  no  official    capacity. 


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Lage:         But  when  the   concrete   channel   get  put  in.  he  was  dead.    I  think. 

Brooks:     Well,    they   formed  a  flood  control   district,  which  was  somewhat 
different  than  the  way  it  was  handled  before,    then  the   district 
really   got  in  and  began  to  develop  long-range   plans  for  flood 
control. 

Lage:          Now.    did  you  get  involved  in  that? 


Brooks : 

Lage: 
Brooks ; 


Lage: 


B  rooks 


Oh,    I  was  involved  with  the  flood  control   district  on  a  ve 
regular  basis!      I'd  been  down  at  their  offices  once   a  week. 

Tell  me  about   that.      What  were  you  working  toward? 

We  were  working  towards  mainly  interim  solutions  to  a  major  problem. 
The  major  problem  was  the  flooding  or  the  overflow  from  Alameda 
Creek.      Everybody  knew    that  eventually  there  would  be  the  major  pro 
ject  by   the   Corps  of  Engineers  on  Alameda  Creek  that  would  eventually 
solve  the  flooding  problem.      What  could  you  do  in  the  interim? 


And  maybe  how   could  you  speed  the  Corps  of  Engineers  up? 
a  problem? 


Was  that 


That  was  always  a  discussion,    and  that  was  a  major  thing  with  the 
chamber  of   commerce  and  the   city  again.      Every  agency  involved  was 
trying  to  find  ways  to  speed  up  the  federal   government!     And  get 
appropriations  from  the  Congress  so  the   Corps   of  Engineers  would 
have  the  funds  to  do   the  project. 

Lage:          Did  you  get  involved  with  that  with  your  political   ties  to 
Washington? 

Brooks:     Well,    everybody   was  involved.      I  was  involved.      You  know,    every 
time  we  talked  to  a  representative  in  Washington,    the  question 
always  was,    "When  will  you  get  the  move  on  this?"     [laughter]      So 
really   everybody  was  working  on  it  in  the   community. 

Lage:          It  was  a  major   concern? 

Brooks:     Yes,    it  was  a  major  concern  in  the  community.      Before  that,    we 

almost  had  to  leek  at  individual  parcels  and  say,    "Well,    because  of 
the  flooding,    what's  happening  to  this  parcel   and  what  kind  of   an 
interim  solution  could  you  develop  that  would   give  future  residents 
the  full  protection  i^f  the  Corps  of   Engineers  project  never 
occurred?"     So  it  was  a  matter   of  just  taking  a   particular   parcel 
and  doing  the  engineering  studies  relative  to  that  parcel   and  what 
could  be   done  and  what  were   the  alternatives. 

Then   I'd  sit  down  with  flood  control   people  and  say,    "I   think 
this  is  a  solution  and  here  are  the  engineering  concepts  and  the 
basic  numbers."     We'd   go   over   that  and  after  discussion  and 


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Brooks:     modifications  and  so  forth,    they'd  say.    •'Okay,   we   think  that 
concept  will  work.      Now   let's  refine  it  and  do  the  detail 
engineering  to  make  sure  it  will  work." 

Lage:         So  you  often  brought  in  the  concepts? 

Brooks:      Yes.      In  fact.    I   developed  most  of   the   concepts   right  in  my   own 

office.       I'd  sit   down  at  a  drafting  table  and  sketch   these   things 
out  and  make  the  basic  computations  that  would   give  you  the   general 
magnitude   of   the  numbers  you  had  to  deal  with,    then  take  those  to 
them   and   through  a  discussion  we'd  refine  it.      Then   I'd   come   back 
at   that   point   in  time.      Then  I'd  turn  it  over  to  our   professional 
engineering  group,   and  they  would  refine  it  with  refined  numbers 
and  refined   concepts,    and  we'd  get  that  approved.      Then  we'd  come 
back  and  do  the   detail  engineering  for   construction   drawings. 

Lage:          Would  this  be   something  you  would  have  to  pay    for  as  the  developer? 
Brooks:     Oh  sure. 

Lage:         The  flood  control   district   didn't  help  out? 
Brooks:     No,   no.      They  didn't  pay  for  it  at  all. 
** 

Lage:          Now   we'll  move  to  the  Patterson  Ranch  again.      Once   all   this  flood 
control  was  in   place,    particularly   the   Corps  of  Engineers   project, 
isn't  that  what  allowed  the  Patterson  Ranch   to  become  developable? 

Brooks:      That  removed  the  flooding  hazard  from   the  ranch,    but  even  before 

that  I'd  worked  on  an  interim   solution  that  was  also  acceptable  to 
the   flood   control   district.      So  we  had  an  interim   solution  in  place 
that  would  have  made   it  developable,   would  have  worked.      We'd  done 
detailed  studies  on  that,  and  those   studies  were  approved  by   the 
flood  control   district.      But  we  never  had  to  use   that  interim 
measure  because  the  Corps  of  Engineers  announced   that   they  were 
proceeding  with   their  project.      So  we  could  abandon  the  interim 
measures  and  go  to  what  was   going  to  happen  in  the  future.      When 
the  Corps   thing  became  a  certainty,    then  we   could  abandon  a  lot  of 
the  interim   solutions  and  wait  for   the   corps   project. 

Lage:          It  made  it  simpler  for  you.    I  would  think. 

Brooks:      Yes.      It  made  it  a  lot   simpler  because   I   devoted   a  lot  of   my   time 
in  the   days  before  the  corps  project   to  just   the  flood  control, 
engineering  kinds   of   studies   I'd  do   myself.       I'd  just   take  maps  and 
I'd  draw    all  kinds  of   schemes — scheme  maybe   is  a  bad  word! — until   I 
found  one   that   I   thought  would  work  on  an  engineering  basis. 


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Lage:  What  were  you  planning  for?  I  interviewed  an  engineer  from  the 
Corps  of  Engineers  and  he  talked  in  terms  of  fifty-year  floods, 
hundred-year  floods. 

Brooks:     Well,     for   different  kinds  of   projects  there're  different   standard 
criteria.      The  flood  control   corps  project  is  a  hundred-year  flood 
design.      They   have  other  things.      Sometimes  it  might  be   a  fifty- 
year  flood  or  even  a   twenty.      It   depends  on  the  nature   of   the 
project,    and  you  design  to  a   criteria. 

Lage:          Are   the  home   owners  advised  that  they're  living  in  a  flood  plain? 

Brooks:     Well,    there's  no  need  to  advise  them  because   at  the  time  the 

home   owner  arrives,    the   solutions  to  these  things  have  been  well 
worked  out   and  they've  all  been  engineered  out  to  standard  criteria 
so  that   they   don't  have  any   mere  hazard   than  living  anyplace   else. 
In  fact,    probably   in  the  north  plain  area,   which  was  the  area  that 
flooded  all   the   time,    there's  less  hazard  new   because   of   the  modern 
engineering  design  of   flood  control    facilities  than  there  are  in 
many  other  areas,    older  areas. 

Lage:         That  channel   is  very  wide.      It  looks  like  it  would  take  an  awful 
lot  of  water  to  run  over. 

Brooks:     Right,    yes.      Then,    also,    the  interior  designs  within  the  developed 
areas  out   there  have  a  much  higher   standard  than  ether,    older  areas 
within  the   community. 

Lage:          One   thing  I'm  interested  in,    part  of   the  lands   that  the  flood 

control   district  purchased  from  the   Pattersons   then  became   part   of 
Coyote  Hills  Regional   Park.      Do  you  know   anything  about  the  process 
of  Coyote  Hills  becoming  a  park?      Apparently,    there  was  seme 
conflict   between  Fremont's  idea  of   a  "new    town"  in  that  area  and 
the   park  district's  hope  fer  a  really  major   park. 

Brooks:      I   think  there  was  maybe   some  dispute  on  boundaries,    but  I  think  in 
concept  the   Coyote  Hills  Park,   which  is  a   series   of  hills   right  en 
the  bay,    had  always  been  considered  from   the  beginning  that  it 
should  be   some  kind  of  open  space  area,   which  was  nothing  more  than 
saying  it  should  be   a  park  area.      So  I  think  that  concept   existed 
from  the  beginning.      You  knew,    the  park  comes   down  to  a  portion  ef 
the  flatlands  and  some  marshlands  and  that  kind  ef   thing,    and  there 
was  seme  dispute  about  maybe  what  those  boundaries  were,    but  that 
kind  ef   thing  is  a  relatively  minor   dispute. 

Lage:          And  there  was  apparently  a   dispute  with  the   Pattersons   over 
purchase   price. 

Brooks:     The  Pattersons  weren't  anxious  to  sell   a  major  pertien  ef   the 

ranch,   but  at   that  point  there  was  little   choice  as   the  agency  has 
power  ef   condemnation,    so  it's  a  matter  ef   negotiation. 


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Lage:          Did  you  act  as  an  adviser  an  that  at  all  with  the   Pattersons? 

Brooks:     Not  in  that  area,   but   I   got  involved  in  reinvesting  some  of   the 
funds   that   came  from   that. 

Lage:         From  the  sale? 

Brooks:     Yes.      Really   the  negotiations  en  that  were  not  that  difficult. 

Lage:         Oh,    they  weren't? 

Breaks:     No,    they   were  pretty   straightforward.     You  know,    the  government 

agencies  had  appraisals,    and  they    can't   pay   above   their  appraisal, 
and  of   course  landowners  always  think  their  land  is  werth  mere.      So 
it's  a   pretty   straightforward  negotiation.       It   didn't   need  much 
talent  to  negotiate  that. 

Lage:          I've  been  reading  seme  newspaper  clippings   about  it,    and  apparently 
some  of   the   community  was  unhappy  because  the  flood  centre!   project 
increased  the  value   of   these  lands.      The  government   paid  fer   the 
flood   centre!   project,   but  the   Pattersons  wanted  the  additional 
money    for   the  land. 

Brooks:     Well,    that's  a   typical  kind  of   argument.      There  are  standard  rules 
of  law    that  apply  in  arriving  at   the  appraisals,   and  they  applied 
the  standard  rules  of  law.      Some  people  are  happy  with  the  law,    and 
some   people  are   unhappy  with  the  law,   but   that's   the  lawl     And  that 
occurs  in  everyday   experiences.      You  knew,    some  people  don't  like 
the   seatbelt  law.     They  have   the   seatbelt  law   fer  your   car.  and  some 
people   think  the  law    should  be   rigidly  enforced.      There's  a 
difference   of  opinion,   but   the  law  is  whatever  it  is. 


Genesis  ef   the  New  Town  Concept  in  the  North  Plain  Area 


Lage:          I  was  surprised,   in  reading  about  this  Coyote  Hills  thing,   how 

early   the  term  "New  Town"  was   used  in  that  area,    clear  back  in  the 
early   sixties. 

Brooks:     The  New   Town  term  was  used  from   the  very  beginning  with  Roy   Potter, 
from  the  very  first   general   plan  of   the   city.     There  were  five 
existing  communities  that  made   up  Fremont,    and  in  addition  to  the 
five  existing  communities,    one   great   big  open  area  to  the  north 
that  was   not  identified  as  a   community.      He  looked  at  that  one  big 
open  area  and   said,    "That   should  be   the   sixth    community."     So  it 
got   that  identity    from    the  very   beginning,    that  that  should  be   the 
sixth   community — 

Lage:          And  kind  of   have  its  own  little   center. 


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Brooks:     And  whereas  each  of   the  other  five  were   called  "towns,"  and  still 

are.    he  just  picked  that  up  and  said.    "That  community   equals  town." 
You  can  say   "community"  or   "town,"  it's  the   same  thing. 

Lage:          So  way  back  in  the  early  sixties  he  saw   this  as  potentially 
developable. 

Brooks:     Yes.    he  saw   that  it   should  be   planned  as  a   sixth  town. 

Lage:          Now.   was  this  something  that  the  two  of  you  worked  out  together  or 
did  he  pretty   much  bring  that  up? 

Brooks:     He  pretty  much  brought  that  up.    although  we   discussed  it  and  we 
were  very   much   in  agreement  en  that  concept.      In  fact,    there  was 
not  a  whole  lot  of   discussion  on  the   concept.      He  just    said. 
•Gentlemen,     that's   going  to  be    our   sixth  town,"  and  everybody 
seemed  to  accept  it.      There  wasn't  very  much   controversy  on  that 
subj  ect. 


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IV      PATTERSON  RANCH  DEVELOPMENT.    1970s 


Purchase   of   Tract  0  by    Singer  Housing 


Lage :          Let's  talk  now    about   the  development  in  the  seventies  on  the 
Patterson  Ranch,    the    controversial   sale   of  land  that  is  now 
Ardenwoed  Park,    and  subsequent  lawsuit. 

Brooks:      The   sale  wasn't   controversial.      The   Pattersons   decided  to   sell    a 

portion  of   the  ranch,    and  that  portion  was  called  Tract  0  in  those 
days  because   I  had  a  series  of   parcels  and  each  one  had  a  letter  to 
identify   it.      Tract  0  was  the  parcel   that  their  homes  were  en.      It 
had   the   private   parks  and  all   the   trees  and  very  specialized 
agriculture.      You  know,    the  portion  that  was  agriculture  was  walnut 
trees  rather  than  row  crops.      So  they  decided  to  sell   that  tract. 

Lage:         Do  you  knew  why   they  picked  that  tract  to  sell? 

Brooks:     Well,    I   think  there  were  a   couple   of  reasons.     Number  one,   it  was 
immediately  adjacent  to  the  highway.      It  was  net  in  the  Williamson 
Act. 

Lage:         I  see,    so  the  taxes  were  high  on  that. 

Brooks:      Yes,    the   taxes  were  high  on  that.      Also,    most  of  it   could  be   served 
by   sewer  at  that  point  in  time.      So  if  anything  was  to  be 
developed,    that  was  the  logical   place  to  develop. 

Lage:          And  what   did  they   think  might  be   the  fate  of   the  home  and  the 
trees?     When  they   sold   that  to  you,  was   there  any — 

Brooks:      There  were  no  restrictions,    no  restrictions.      When  they  sold  it, 
they   sold  it,   which  included  everything  that  was  on  the   property. 

Lage:          Because   I've  heard  two  points  of  view    from   the  family.      Some  people 
say,    "We   always  wanted   that  home   saved  in  a   park.11     And   then   I've 
heard  other  people  in  the  community   say   they  were  afraid  that  they 
were   going  to  burn  that  house   down. 


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Broeks  :     Well,    there  were  no  restrictions  in  the   sales  agreement,    because   I 
knew.      I  negotiated  it  and  signed  it.    and  I  was  purchaser,    so  I 
knew  what  the  agreement   said.      There  was  kind  of  an  informal   thing, 
net  part  of   the  agreement,    between  myself  and  Marj  orie  Patterson. 
She   said,    "Well,    if  you're   going  to  have,    in  the  future,    a   park 
within  this  parcel   as  part  of   the  development  process,    I  would  like 
to  see  you  put  the   park  where  the  home  is  and  see  if  you  could 
preserve   the  home  with  a  park  site  around  it."     But   she  always  made 
it  clear  it  was  net  an  obligation  en  my   part.      It  was  just   she 
would  like  to  see  that. 

Lage:          She  had  lived   there  longer   than  anybody,   hadn't   she? 
Brooks:     Yes. 

Lage:          Was   she  living  there  at  the  time  it  was  sold  or  had  she  already 
moved? 

Brooks:      I  just   don't  recall.      She  was  either  living  there  at  the  time  it 
was   sold  or  moved  out   shortly  before  the   sale.      For   practical 
purposes   she'd  been  living  there. 

Lage:          Now,   you  were  with  Singer  by   then. 

Brooks:     Yes,    I  was  president  of   Singer  Housing  Company.      I  had  merged  my 
companies;    I  had  a  whole   series  of  companies  with  the  Singer 
company,    which  is  the  Singer  Sewing  Machine  Company.      Subsequent  to 
that  merger,    then,    I  became   president  of   Singer  Housing  Company, 
which  was  a  national   real   estate  building  company  with  divisions  in 
Florida  and   Colorado  and  Arizona  and  a  number  of   places. 

Lage:          So  you  had  your  mind  on  a  lot  of   things  besides  Patterson 
Properties. 

Brooks:      Yes. 


Fremont's  Moratorium   en  Development  in  the  North  Plain 


Lage:          In  1969,  before  you  purchased  that  land,    it  was  rezoned  from 
agriculture  to  residential  and   commercial. 

Brooks:     Yes.      One   of   the  problems  was  that  part  of   it  was  in  Newark  and 
part  of  it  was  in  Fremont.      The   part   that  faced  the  highway,   a 
strip  a   thousand  feet  wide  from   the  highway  back,    was  in  Newark,    and 
the  balance  of   the  property   that  was   behind  that,    with  no   direct 
access  to  the  highway,   was  in  Fremont.       [laughter] 

Lage:          So  you  worked  on   plans  for   this  area? 


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Brooks:      Yes.  we   developed  plans  for   this  area,   and  of   course  we  had  to 
process  them   through  both  cities  at  that  point  in  time. 

Lage  :          What  were  your  original  plans?      Did  they  involve  a   park  around  the 
house? 

Brooks:     Yes. 

Lage :         So  you  did  try  to  do  that? 

Brooks:      Yes.    I  tried  to  accommodate   that  wish. 

Lage:          Was  there  also  anything  expressed  to  you  by  the  community  or  people 
in  the   community   that   showed  they  wanted  a   park  there? 

Brooks:     There  was  a  faction  of   the  community   that  wanted  the  whole  thing  to 
be  a  park.      Then  there  were   other  factions  in  the   community   that 
just  wanted  to   see  it  developed.      Mainly  the  business  community 
wanted  to   see  it   developed.      There  was  a  let   of   controversy  at  this 
point  in  time,    and  there  were  major  differences  between  what  the 
city  of  Newark  wanted  and  what   the   city   of   Fremont  wanted. 

Lage:         And  how   did  they  differ? 

Brooks:     The  city  of  Newark  wanted  high-density  housing  and  commercial 

development.      They   didn't    care  about  a    park.      They   didn't  want  any 
park. 

Lage:         They  wanted  more  tax  base? 

Brooks:      They   wanted  mere  tax  base,    and  they  wanted  mere  housing,    and  they 
wanted  higher   density   than  ether  areas  of   the   city.     They  wanted 
that   to  be   their  high   density   area,    and  they  wanted  a  major 
commercial   development.     Whereas   the   city  officials  in  Fremont  at 
that  time  really   didn't  want  to  do  anything.      They  just  wanted  to 
leave  it  as  open  space  1 

Lage:          Was  this  at  the  time   the  slow-growth  faction  was  in  power? 

Brooks:      Yes,    they  were  in  power  at   that   point. 

Lage:          And  how   about   the  planning  department?     Were  they  with  you  on  this? 

Brooks:      Oh,    the   planning  department  follows   the  lead  of   the   council.      If 

you've  got  a   slow-growth   council,    the  planning  department,    because 
they're   employees,    if    they're    going  to   keep   their  jobs,    they're 
going  to  respond  to  their  bosses.      So  in  Fremont  you  had  one 
approach,   and  in  Newark  you  had  another  approach,   and  roughly  half 
the  land  was  in  each   city.       [laughter] 


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Lage:          At  one   point.    I   think,  you  suggested  maybe  Newark  should  annex  the 
rest  of   it. 

Brooks:     Yes. 

Lage:          You  must  have  gotten  pretty   frustrated  working  with  the  two  cities. 

Brooks:     Well,    the  parcel  being  split   down  the  middle  wasn't  logical  for 

either    city.      It   didn't  make   any   sense   for   either   city.      You'd  have 
to   go  through  Newark  to   get  to   the   Fremont  land.      So  you'd  have   to 
go   through   the  Newark  city   limits  to  go  back  around  to  get  to  the 
Fremont  land.     Then,   Newark  had  the   property   that  faced  the  major 
thoroughfare  and  Fremont  had  the  rear  piece.      Part  of   that  logic  was. 
if  you  take  all   those  factors  together,    it   probably   should  be  in 
Newark.      Well,    of   course,    Fremont   didn't  want  to  give  anything  up. 

Lage:          So  what  was  the  upshot?      I  know  it  ended  in  a  moratorium  en  the 
development  for  Fremont. 

Brooks:  Well.  Fremont  declared  a  moratorium,  and  Newark  approved  all  the 
plans  for  their  half.  So  we  had  a  division  line  with  everything 
approved  in  Newark,  and  a  moratorium  on  the  Fremont  side. 


Singer's  Lawsuit  and  Negotiations  for  a  Settlement  Agreement 


Brooks:      I  just   didn't  think  they  could  do  that  legally,    so  I  filed  a  law 

suit  against  Fremont.      The  court  agreed  with  me  and  ordered  Fremont 
to  process  our  development  plans. 

Lage:         Were  they  ordered  to  process  specific  development  plans  or  just  to 
work  with  you? 

Brooks:     They   ordered  them   to  process  the  plans  in  accordance  with  the 

existing  ordinances  and  regulations  within  the   city.      Then,    the 
nature  of   that  order  would  almost   compel  you  to  develop  it  in  a 
standard  subdivision,    not   using  a  PD  or  PUD.      As  a  result  of   that 
court  order,   we  could  have  just  gone  ahead  and  developed  the  rest 
of  it,    then  coordinated  with  the  Newark  side,   which  was  already 
preapproved  by  now. 

At   that  point  in  time,    the  council   again  had  changed  somewhat, 
[laughter]      There'd  been  an  election  in  between,    and  the  new   council 
thought  that  it  would  be   much  better  to  sit  down  and  try  and 
negotiate  something  that  made   sense  because  that   didn't  make  a 
whole  lot  of   sense.      I  had  a  legal   right  to  do  it,    but  it  really 
didn't  make  a  whole  lot   of   sense  on  a   planning  basis  and   didn't 
correspond  with  what  Fremont  would  really  like  to  see,    although  we 
couldn't  present  it. 


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Lage:          It  also  seems  like  it  wasn't  lacking  toward  what  was   going  to 
happen  with   the  rest  of    the  land. 

Brooks:     That's  right.      Of   course,    the   court  order  also  applied  to   the  rest 
ef   the  land. 

Lage:         And  that   could  be   developed? 

Brooks:     Yes.      So  the  council  had  changed,    and  there  were  some  new   members 
and  effectively  what  they  said,    but  they  didn't   say  it  in  these 
words,    "It's  kind  of    ridiculous.      We've  gone   through   this  whole 
lawsuit  and  doing  this  whole   thing.      It  was  kind  ef   a  ridiculous 
process.      It   cost   us  a  let  ef   money  because   the  city   had  very 
substantial  attorneys'   fees  involved  in  fighting   this  lawsuit — " 

Lage:          Of   course  they   could  have  appealed  it. 

Brooks:     They   could  have  appealed  it,    but  the  nature  ef   the   court  order  and 
its  legal   basis  would  have  made   it  a  very  difficult  thing  to  turn 
ever  en  appeal.      I   think  they  realized  that,    and  I   think  the   city 
attorney    realized  that.      Just  by   the  nature  ef   it,    it's  one  of 
these  things  that's  very,  very  difficult  to  reverse  on  appeal. 

So  then  the  council   said  that  the  whole  process  had  been 
ridiculous,    and  it   didn't  make   a  whole  let   of   sense,    and  accepting 
a  development   plan  in  accordance  with  our  standard  ordinances 
because   ef    the   unique  features  ef   that   piece   ef  land  is  kind  of 
ridiculous  on  the  face   of   it,    and  we  really  don't  like  what  Newark 
has  approved  either,      [laughter] 

So  the  council   then  appointed  a  negotiating  committee  to 
contact  me  to  see  if   they   could  negotiate  something  that  made  more 
sense.      They   appointed  a   councilman  to  that  committee,    Tony 
Azevedo.     Tony  Azevede  and  Larry   Milnes,   who  is  now  assistant   city 
manager  but   I  think  at  that  time  he  was  public  works  director,    and 
city  attorney  Allen  Sprague.   and  then  the   city  manager   sat  in  on 
some   ef    the  meetings,    but  net  most  of   them. 

Se  we   started  a  process  ef   saying.    "What   can  we   do  that  makes 
mere  sense?     How   can  we  negotiate  a  settlement  of   the  lawsuit  and 
at   the   same   time   do  a   development   that  makes  more   sense?" 

Lage:         Would  your   settlement  have  to  be   approved  by   the  court  then? 

Brooks:  No,  we  could  enter  into  a  settlement  agreement  between  the  parties. 
It  did  not  require  a  court  approval.  We  spent  day  after  day  in  the 
city  hall  conference  room. 


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Lage:  I  have  noted  somewhere,  it  must  be  from  newspaper  accounts.  350 
hours.  That's  a  let  of  hours! 

Brooks:  I  didn't  keep  track  of  the  hours,  but  my  guess  would  be  it's  in 
that  magnitude.  Probably  350  hours  at  meetings  and  another  700 
hours  analyzing  outside  the  meetings.  [laughter] 

Lage:         What  a   taskl     How   did  these  meetings   proceed? 

Brooks:     Well,   we  began  to  set  out  some  objectives  that  the   city  of   Fremont 
would  like   to  see.      First  of   all,    they'd  like   to  see  Newark  out   of 
there.     Hew   can  we  annex  this  Newark  land  to  Fremont?      So  that  was 
one   thing  that  had  to  be   done.      And  then  they   said,    "Well,    we'd 
like  to  see  a  major   park,    not  only   a  typical   community   park,   but 
we'd  like   to  see  a  major  park  that  includes  all   the  tree  areas  and 
the    [George  Washington]    Patterson  house,    and  how   can  we   do   that?" 
But  yet  if   they   did  that,    it  would  take   almost  all   the  land,   so 
there  wouldn't  be  anything  left  for  development  I 

So  we  said.    "Well,    if  we  arrange  to  have  that  as  a  park,    then 
if  we  can  do  some  trading  with  the  Patterson  family  for  seme 
adjacent  land,    then  you  will   approve  the  adjacent  land  for 
development."     So  that  involved  then   getting  with   the   Pattersons 
and  saying,    "Will  you  do   some  trading  with  us  for  adjacent  land?" — 
to  accommodate  the  overall  type  of  plan  we  were  developing  at  the 
city,    and  the  Pattersons  were  cooperative. 

Lage:          Did  you  have  to  meet  with  all   the   Pattersons  or   did  you  meet  just 
with  "Don? 

Brooks:      I   met  with  Don,    who  kind  of   represented  his  whole  side  of   the 

family,   and  then  I  met  with  John  and  Sally  Adams,   who  represented 
the  ether  side   of   the  family. 

Lage:         And  they  were  all  agreeable? 

Brooks:     Yes.      And  we  traded  back  and  forth.      It  was  a  very  complex  kind  of 
land  trade  thing,   and  then  we  also  had  to  trade  Williamson  Act  land 
too,   which  had  never  been  done   anyplace   in  the  state.      We  were 
going  to  take   this  piece  that's  in  the  Williamson  Act  and  this 
piece   that's  not,    and  we  were  just  going  to  move  the  Williamson  Act 
from  this   piece  to  that   piece  and  this  over  here.      So  the  relative 
acreage   stays  the  same.      There  was  no  legal   precedent  for  that 
anyplace  1      [laughter] 

Lage:          Except  the  willingness  to  do  itl 

Brooks:      Yes.      No  legal   precedent  for  that.      The   city  attorney  who  was 

involved  in  negotiations   said,    "I    can't  find  anything  that  says  you 
can   do  anything  like  that,    but  I   can't  find  anything   that    says  you 
can' t  either. "      [laughter] 


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Lage:          And  no  one   challenged  it.    I  assume? 
Brooks:     So  we  did  it  and  no  one  challenged  it. 

So  through  these   complex  negotiations — and  I  think  the   people 
involved  from   the  city   all  were  dealing  in  good  faith,    trying  to 
find  solutions  that  would  implement  what  the  council  wanted — we 
arrived  at  a  settlement  agreement  that  accommodated  all   these 
things.      It   said  you  can   go  ahead  and  develop  this   over  here,    and 
we'll   dedicate   the   forty-six  acres  of   park,    and  we'll  sell   to  the 
city   the  balance   of   the  land.      The   city   didn't  have  any   money    to 
buy    it  with,    so  then  we  developed  the  idea  of   an  issue  of  bonds  to 
buy  it  with  and  those  bonds  would  be   paid  out  from  an  additional 
building  permit  fee  for  everybody   that  was  developing  in  the  city. 

As   I  recall,   it  added   $200  to  the  building  permit  fee  for 
everything  that  occurred  in  the  city,    and  these  funds  would  then, 
hopefully,    eventually  pay  off   those  bonds. 

Lage:          And  would  pay   off   Singer  for  property   they   were  turning  ever  to  the 
city? 

Brooks:     Yes,   and  then  Singer  took  the  bonds  in  payment  for  the  rest  of   the 
land.      Of   course  there  was  a  great  deal   of  uncertainty  about 
whether   the  bonds  would  ever  be  paid  off  because  what  was  the 
timing  on  development?     When  would  it  occur?     So  it  was  a  very 
uncertain  kind  of   payment   schedule. 

Lage:         How  did  the  chamber  of  commerce  and  fellow  developers  feel  about 
that  aspect? 

Brooks:     Well,    the  fellow    developers  really   weren't  involved,    and  they 

weren't  too  concerned.      It  was  more  a  matter  of   curiosity  about  how 
things   are  goingl     And  of   course,    they   were  happy   seeing  a 
developer  really   doing  something  because  a   developer  had  never  sued 
the   city   before  and  never  had  really   worked  out  any  kind  of 
arrangement. 

This  was   completely  new   to  everybody.      There  was  no  real 
precedent  for  what  we  were  doing  any   place  in  the   state.      There  was 
very   little  law   on  the  subject  of  what  we  were  doing.      We  just 
assumed  if   there  wasn't  a  law  against  it.    then  we   could  do  it. 

Lage:          It   sounds  like  your  history   of   working  closely  with  the  city 
certainly  helped  with   this. 

Brooks:     Yes.      Well.    Larry   Milnes  and  I   have  always  had  a   good  relationship. 
He's   a   really   tough   negotiator.      He    doesn't    give    up  anything  for 
the  city.      I  have  a  great  deal   of    respect   for  him.      He  has  told  me 
he  feels   the    same  about  me.      I   think  it's  a   challenge  to  him.    and 
it's  a   challenge   to  me   to  negotiate  with  him.    and  it  goes  both  ways. 


189 


Lage:          You  both  enjoy   the   process. 

Brooks:     Yes.       So  he  kind  of   led  all  the  negotiations  on  the  city   side.      The 
city  councilman  was  present  and  had  comments,  but  Larry  Milnes  was 
kind  of    the  leader  on  their  side,    and  of   course   I  was  just 
representing  myself. 

Lage:          One   of   the  contentions,    it   seemed  to  me.    was  that  the  area  couldn't 
be  serviced  well  at  that  time,    that  that  was  why   they  put  in  the 
moratorium,    because   of   inadequate  fire   service   and  all  that. 

Brooks:      That  was  just  a   smoke  screen. 
Lage:         Was  it? 

Brooks:      It  was  obvious  it  was  a  smoke   screen  because  as  seen  as  we  reached 
a  settlement  agreement,    all   the  services  were  there  and  we   could 
develop  I 

Lage:         Didn't  you  have  to  put  in  that  Paseo  Padre  overpass? 

Brooks:     Well,   we  were  required  to  put  in  two  lanes  of  it.      That's  half   of 
the  overpass.     But  whatever  development  took  place  there  needed 
that  traffic  access,    so  that  was  never  in  dispute.     That  was  never 
really   a  dispute.      We  knew    that  that  was  required,    and  you  just 
couldn't  put  that  many  houses  and  people  out  there  without  a  way 
for   them   to  get  there! 

Lage:          And  for   the  fire  trucks  to  fellow   them. 
Brooks:     Yes. 


Arranging  Land  Swaps  with  Newark 


Lage:          So  after  that  you  had  then  to  deal  with  Newark,    or  Fremont  had  to 
deal  with  Newark. 

Brooks:     Well,    I  also  participated  with  that  on  the  Fremont  side  in 

arranging  land  swaps  because  at  that  time  the  alignment  of   the  BART 
and  freeway    [Highway  84]    was  established  by  the  state,    and  that 
alignment  isolated  parts  of  Newark  on  one   side  and  the  ether   side 
of   the  freeway  in  relatively  small  strips  which  would  be  difficult 
for   the  city  to   serve.      The   same   thing  with  Fremont.     The  way   the 
freeway   ran  through   it.    it  isolated  pieces  of   property   for  both 
cities  so  that  they'd  have  to  go  through  the  other   city   to   serve 
these  areas. 


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Brooks:      That  led  to  the  logic  of  why  not  make   the  freeway   the   boundary 

between  the  two  cities.      Newark  could  serve  everything  en  that  side 
of   the  freeway  and  Fremont   could  serve  everything  on  their   side. 
They    wouldn't  have  to  go  around  the  devious  route  to  get  to  a 
little   parcel  within  the   city  but   disconnected  from   the   city.      So 
through   that  whole  process,    and  the  cities  agreed,    they'd  swap  land 
back  and  forth  to  make  the  freeway  a  common  boundary  between  the 
two  cities.    Fremont  to  the  north  and  Newark  to  the  south. 

If 

So  that  general   concept   got  acceptance  between  the  two  cities 
until   right  near  the  end  of   the  mayor  of  Newark  said.    "Wait  a 
minute.      I've  been  looking  at  this  alignment  and  the  eld  boundary 
line  is  here  where  it   crosses  what  was   called  Newark  Boulevard. 
The  freeway   misses  that  line,    the  center  line   of    that  street,   by 
fifty   feet.      It's  fifty  feet  further  south  than  an  exact   alignment 
that  would  intersect  an  exact   point  in  the  middle  of   a  street." 
[laughter] 

Lags :         So  you  had  fifty   feet  of  dispute. 

Brooks:      Yes.      And  he   said.    "I'm  net   going  to  agree  to  anything  while   that 
freeway's  ever   there  fifty    feet."     The   state  had  already 
established  the  alignment  and  were  well  into  their   design,    so  it 
became  a  major  hang-up  in  the  negotiation.      It  was  insignificant  as 
far  as  land  was   concerned.      He  just  had  a   personal    thing  that   this 
was  the  old  line,    and  the  center  line   of   the  freeway  should  cross 
the   center  line  of   that  old  street. 

Lage:          Even  though   this  really  wasn't  for  you  to  decide? 

Brooks:     But  it   did  seriously   disturb   getting  the  whole   thing  complete.      It 
became   so   serious  at  that  point  I  went  to  Sacramento  and  was  able 
to  convince  the  highway   department.    CALTRANS  now,    that  it  was 
logical    for   them   to  move  it  over  fifty    feet,    which   they   did. 

Part  of   the   problem  is   they'd  already  acquired  some  right  of 
way.    so   the  right  of  way   the'd  acquired  didn't  line   up  with  the  new 
alignment  1     By  that  time  the  state  had  already   acquired  from   Singer 
the  right  of  way   that  they   needed  for  the  freeway,    and  that  would 
then  leave  a  little  fifty-foot   strip  en  one   side   of   the  freeway 
that  was  owned  by    Singer  and  would  take  another  fifty-foot  strip  on 
the  other  side.      So  I  told  the   state  we  would  accept   that  and  we 
would  deal   with   that   strip  later   on;   that  would  net  be   their 
problem.      That  was  an  isolated  strip   back  from   the   street   because 
you  couldn't  get  to  it. 

Lage:          It  wouldn't   be   of  much   use  to  anyone. 

Brooks:     No   use   to  anybody,    and  it  didn't  have  any   access. 


191 


Brooks:     Well,   with  that  and  completing  the  negotiation  with  the   state,    they 
moved  the  freeway  ever  to  intersect  that  exact  point  that  the  mayor 
of  Newark  wanted.      So  we  put  the  freeway  over  and  then  the   swaps 
took  place  between  Newark  and  Fremont  to  resolve  the  problem. 

Lage:          That's  an  amazing  story.     Who  was   the  mayor  ef  Newark  then? 
Brooks:      I   think  it  was  Balentine,    Jim   [James  E.]    Balentine. 


Lage: 
Brooks : 


Did  both  cities  end  up  happy  with  the  swap? 
apparently. 


Newark  got  mere  land. 


Yes.   well,    that  was  another  problem.     They   wanted  everything  to 
come  out  equal,   and  there  was  no  way   to  make  it  exactly   equal.      If 
I   recall   it,    my   argument  at  that  point  in  time  was.    "It  should  be 
of   equal  value,    not  equal  acreage,"  because  they  were  looking  at 
equal   acreage.      I  said,    "This  land  up  here  is  mere  valuable  than 
that,    so  Newark  should   get  more  acreage  to  equate   the  values."     I 
got  acceptance   of   that.      There  wasn't  a  whole  lot  of  logic  to  the 
argument,   but  it  was  a  rationalization  that  everybody   could  accept  1 

Lage:          It  made  people  happy. 
Brooks:     Yes. 

Lage:         Was  seme  ef   that  land  that  went  to  Newark  also  Patterson  Ranch 
land? 

Brooks:     Yes,    a  portion.      Not  a  whole  lot,    but   there  was  a   triangular  piece 
of   probably   twenty  acres  or  so  that  went  to  Newark. 


Parties  to  the  Solution; 
Housing 


The  Courts,    the  Community,    and  Singer 


Lage:         You  also  went  to  Sacramento  on  a  legal   matter,    didn't  you,    having 
to  do  with  a  law   that  would  forbid  councils  from  reversing 
themselves  on  these   development   processes? 

Brooks :     Well,   I  did  a  number  of   things  of   that  sort  in  Sacramento.     I 

served  en  various  commissions  and  committees  in  Sacramento  that 
dealt  in  this  area.      Also,    when  Governor  Brown  was  in  office.    I 
became  kind  of   an  unofficial    member  ef  his  group  and  advisor,    so  I 
would  advise  him  on  legislation  that   came  from  the  legislature  that 
related  to   this  area.     Also  I   served  as   chairman  ef   the  Economic 
Development  Commission,    so  I  did  a  lot  ef  work  in  that  area.      Which 
particular  item    I  don't  knew   because   I  was  dealing  with  these  kinds 
of   things  on  a  pretty  regular  basis. 


192 


Lage: 


Brooke: 


Well,    the  thing  I  had  heard  about  was  that  you  were   somewhat 
incensed  that  the  city   council    reversed  its  own  rules  for  the 
Patterson  area  after  you'd  purchased  it,    and  then  there  was 
legislation  that  a   council  was  bound  by    former  agreements. 


No.    not  really.      That  all   took  place  in  the   court  action. 
have  any   special   legislation  adopted  en  that  at  all. 


1   didn't 


Lage:         Okay.     Wherever  I  read  that  or  heard  it,   it  must  be  wrong. 

Brooks:     Well,    there're  all  kinds  of   rumors  of   hew    I  went  about   doing  it. 

Those  people  who  like  to  oppose  me  like  to  tell  a   story   that   I  went 
to  Sacramento  and  had  the  legislature  pass  me  a  special  bill  and 
the   governor   sign  it  for  me,    but  those  rumors  are  just  net  true. 
[laughter] 

Lage:          So  it  was  the  court  who  said  the  council  was  acting  improperly  in 
declaring  a  moratorium  en   development  in  the  north  plain? 

Brooks:     The  court  made  the  decision  based  upon  the  laws  in  existence  at 
that   time,   and  there  was  no   change  by   the  legislature  at  all. 

Lage:          Okay.      That's  why   we're  doing  this,    to  straighten  out   some  of    these 
things. 

Did  you  get  some   sense   about   the  community's  feeling  about 
development  in  that  area?     Again,   was  it   divided? 

Brooks:      It  was   divided,    but   I  think  the  majority  of   the  community  had  no 
problems  with  the  development  of   that  area.      I   think  the 
environmental   groups,    which  were  a  minority,    a  very  vocal   minority, 
objected  to  it,   and  their  main  motivation  was  to   get  a   great   big 
park  out  there. 

Lage:          Of   course,    that  was   sort  of   the  height  of   the  environmental 
movement   then. 

Brooks:     Yes.       So  through   the  negotiations  and  the  restructuring  and  the  de- 
annexations  and  changing  the  freeways  and  everything,    we   pretty 
much   get  them  what   they  wanted. 

Lage:          Did  you  feel   that  you  came  out  with  a   good  economic  solution 
through   that  negotiation?      I  mean,    did  you  give  up  a  lot? 

Brooks:     Well,    I   think  I   gave   up   some,   but  I   didn't   give   up  so  much  that  I 
couldn't   create  an  economic  development. 

Lage:          By   that   time  you  weren't  with  Singer,    and  hadn't   the  land  been   sold 
to  another  company? 


193 


Brooks:     By  the  time  the   court  action   came  along  and  subsequent  to  that,   the 
settlement  with  the  city.    I  had  retired  from   Singer,   but   Singer  had 
employed  me  as  their  representative  and  gave  me  full   authority   to 
negotiate,    and  I'd  just   report  to  them   in  New  York  from  time  to 
time  what  the  status  was.      I  think  they  had  complete   confidence  and 
faith  in  me.    so   they   gave  me  just  a  blank  check  to  negotiate  what  I 
thought  was  appropriate.      After  all,    I'd  been  the   president   of 
their  operation,    a  multi-million-dellar  operation,    for  a  number  of 
years.      [laughter] 

Lage :         What  was   Citation  Homes,    then? 

Brooks:      Citation  Homes   came  much  later  and  wasn't  really  involved  at  all  at 
this   stage   because   Singer,    after   I'd  retired  and  been  gene  for 
several  years,    decided  to  spin  off   their  housing  division,    and  they 
spun   off  various  housing  divisions  around  the  country,    and  the 
division  that  was  located  here  locally  was  renamed  Citation,    on  a 
spin-off  where  the  employees,    through  a  process,    eventually  acquire 
the   company.      You  know,   you  read  about  these   things  all   the   time. 
I  won't  go  into  all  the  details  of   hew    these  things  work 
mechanically. 

Then  this   division  was  named  Citation,    another  division  in 
Colorado   get  another  name,  and  one  in  Florida  got  another  name,    so 
there  was  a   change   in  names  in  splitting  off  the  nationwide 
operation  to  a   series  ef  local  operations   that  would  be  acquired  by 
employees  in  the  future. 

Lage:          Did  you  have  an  association  with  Citation,    then? 

Brooks:     Yes.    well,    then  Citation  also  did  the  same  thing  as  Singer,    and  ef 
course  Singer  still   owned   Citation  then.      So  I  looked  at  it  really 
as  one   company,    and  I  had  the  same  arrangement  both  before  and 
after   that  technical   spin-off  kind  of   thing. 


19A 


V      CONSULTANT  TO   THE   PATTERSON  HEIRS.    1980s 


City   ef  Fremont's  Pressures  for  Development  ef   the  North  Plain 


Lage :          Let's   talk  now    about   our  final    topic — what  you've  done  as  a 

consultant  for   the   Patterson  family  in  the   eighties.      That's   sort 
of   a  new   story,    I  would  think. 

Brooks:      The   Pattersons  still,    after  all   these  things  we've   been  talking 
about,    owned  very   large   acreage   out   there.      It  was  all   in 
agriculture.      There  came  a  point  in  time  when  we  had  a   particular 
group  on  the  council   that  were  pro-growth  now — it  gees  back  and 
forth — and  they   said,    "We   don't  know  why  we   should  have  any 
Williamson  Act  in  the  city.      We've  get  this  all  planned  for 
development;  why  should  we  reduce  our  revenues  to  the   city  by 
giving  these   people  special   breaks   out   there  so  they   can  hold  their 
land  and  sell  it  at  higher  values  in  the  future?" 

Lage:          That's  the  way   they   saw   the  Williamson  Act? 

Brooks:      That's  what  they   said,    that  it  was  just  a  holding  act   so  they   can 
held  their  land  and  let  the  values  rise  without   paying  their  fair 
share  ef   taxes,    and  the   city   doesn't   participate  in  any    of    that 
value   rise,    and  we  should  consider  canceling  the  Williamson  Act  for 
all   the  parcels  in  Fremont.      It   became  a  kind  ef   sentiment  on  the 
council,    not  the  total    council,    but  at  least  it  appeared  to  be   a 
majority  on  the   council. 

Of   course,    that  disturbed  the  Pattersons,    and  Don  Patterson  in 
particular,   who  was  then  the  manager   ef   the  ranch  for   the  family. 
If   they   were  paying  regular  taxes,    there  wasn't  enough  farm  income 
to  even  pay   the   taxes.      It  was   a  very  substantial   loss  each  year  if 
they   had  to  pay    regular  taxes. 

So  Don  came   to  me  and  said.    "We've  got   this  major  problem.      If 
political   forces   carry  out  what   they   say   they're   thinking  ef.     then 
we  have  a  major  problem.      What  can  we  do  about  it?      Will  you  give 
it  some  thought  and  advise  me  on  what  my  various   alternatives  and 
options  are?" 


195 


Breoks:     Well.    I  talked  to  some   city  people  and  I   get  a  pretty  firm  feeling 
that  they   were  fairly  serious,    that  that  group  was  fairly  serious 
about  this  proposal.      At  that  point  in  time  the   chamber  of   commerce 
had  a   special   committee  to  encourage  development  out  there.      They 
wanted  the   thing  fully   developed.      They  wanted  additional   people; 
they   wanted  the  additional   business  that  would  create,    the 
additional   taxes  it  would   generate. 

Lage:          It's   such   a  swing  from  just  a  few  years  earlier  when  they  were 
putting  a  ten-year  moratorium  on  all   development. 

Brooks:     Almost   every    time   there's  a   council   election  there's  a   swing. 

[laughter]      Usually  it  only  takes  one  and  sometimes  two  members  of 
the  council   to  change   the  majority  vote  because  every  council  had 
some  no-growth  people  and  some  pro-growth  people,   and  it  all 
depends  on  who  had  three  votes  at  any  particular  time,    who  had 
three  out  of  five. 

Lage:          Now.    did  that  make   the  developers,    yourself  included,    get  involved 
in  these   city   council   elections? 

Brooks:     Oh,    certainly. 

Lage:          Supporting  certain  people? 

Brooks:     Yes,   very  much   involved,   very  much   involved. 

Preparing  and  Promoting  a  Master  Plan  for  Patterson  Ranch  Lands 


Breoks:     Getting  back  to  the  eighties,    being  the   sentiment  of   the   community 
at  that  point  in  time,    it  appeared  that  this  was  a  very   serious 
threat  to  the   Patterson  family.      At  least  Don   considered  it  a  very 
serious  threat.      Because  he  was  really   representing  his  side   of   the 
family,   he  asked  me  to   discuss  the   threat  and  the   consequences   of 
the  threat  with  Sally  and  John  Adams. 

I  made  an  appointment  with  them,   went  to  their  home,    talked  to 
them  about  it.   and  I   gave  them  whatever  background  I   could   get, 
excerpts  from  minutes  where  they'd  made   comments  like  this  from   the 
city  council,    some   copies  of  the   chamber  of   commerce  agendas,    and. 
you  know,    various  documentation  to  indicate  what  the  mood  of   the 
community  was. 

They   concluded  at  that  time  that  they   should  take   some 
positive  actions  to   protect  themselves  and  so   did  Don.     So  Don   came 
back  and  said,    'Will  you  begin  to  work  on  this  thing  for   us?      We've 
concluded  that  the  only  way  we   can  protect  ourselves  is  to   prepare 
the  property   for  development  so  that  all  or  a  portion  of  it  could 
be   sold  if   these  things   should  occur." 


196 


Brooks:      So  with  that  I  did  some  sketch   plans   of  what   could  be   dene,    and 
conferred  with  Don  and,    from   time  to  time,    with  Sally  and  John 
Adams,   and  eventually  arrived  at  seme   concepts  that  were  acceptable 
ta    them. 

Lage:          Se  you  were  dealing  with  sort  of   a  master  plan  for  the  area? 
Brooks:      Yes,    the  whole  master  plan  for   the  whole  area. 
Lage:         What  would  go  in  each  portion? 

Brooks:      Yes.      The  whole  master   plan  for  each  area,   but  just  in  freehand 
sketch  form  because   I  was   doing  it  all   myself.      I   didn't  want  to 
get  anyone  else  involved  because   I   didn't  want  anybody   to  knew  what 
the  thinking  of   the  family   might  be.      The  family  wanted  to  keep 
what  they  were   doing  very   confidential. 

Lage:          Did  the  family   give  you  any  guidelines  that  were  essential  to  them 
for  that  land? 

Brooks:     Well,    the  only   guideline  was  that  they   said  they'd  like   to  see   some 
substantial   portion  remain  in  agriculture.      This  threat  occurred  if 
they   could  sell   some   substantial   portion  that  would  reduce  their 
exposure,   and  the  income  from  the  portion  they   sold  would  help 
support  the  agricultural   activities  in  the  future. 

Lage:          So  this    generation  still  had  a   commitment  to  agriculture? 

Brooks:     Yes.      They   were  very  much  committed  to  agriculture,    and 

particularly  John  and  Sally  Adams.      They  wanted  to  see  as  much 
remain  in  agriculture  as  possible.      Se  I   developed  a   plan  with 
about  two- thirds  of  the  land  in   urban   development  and  about  a 
third,    roughly,    remaining  in  agriculture  en  an  indefinite  basis. 
That  did  net  receive  a  very   good  reception  from   the   city  or  the 
chamber  of   commerce. 

Lage:  How   did  you  present  it  to  them? 

Brooks:  I   presented  it   that  way.    and  they   said  no. 

Lage:  Informally  or  formally? 

Brooks:  Informally. 

Lage:  You  just   checked  around. 

Brooks:      Informally,    with  both   the  chamber  and  the  political   forces  in  the 
city,   because   the   planning  staff  had   got   kind  of   removed  at   this 
point   in  time.      To   protect   themselves,    the  staff   had  employed  an 
outside   planner  and   said,    'Uive   us  a   series   of   plans   that   range 
from   no  development   to  maximun   development." 


197 


Brooks:     Well,    that  resulted  in  a  series  of   twelve  different  plans  with 

various  intensities  of  development,   and  they  just  said  te  the  city 
council  and  the   planning  commission,    "Take  your   choice." 
[laughter]      Which  really  led  te  nothing.      So  they  didn't  know  what 
choice  to  make  because  there  were  just  small  variations  ever  twelve 
plans  that  went   from  nothing  all   the  way   te  maximum. 

Lage  :          In  a  way.    then,   your  master  plan  was  competing  with  this   official 
city  effort? 

Brooks:     Yes.    mine  was   designated  a   separate  number.     The  city  just  inserted 
it  into  the   series  in  the  middle   someplace,   and  said,    "Well,    this 
is  another  variation  and  take  your   choice."      [laughter] 

Lage:          That's  an  interesting  way  to   ge  about  it. 

Brooks:     Both   the  chamber  and  the  majority   of    the  council,    as  I  read  them  at 
that  point  in  time,    did  net  like  my   plan  because  at  that  point  in 
time  they   wanted  a  development  plan  with  no  agriculture.      They 
didn't  want  any  agriculture. 

The  chamber  ef   commerce  at  this  point  in  time  had  much  mere 
influence  on  the   city   council   than  they  have   presently.      The 
chamber  ef   commerce   influence   goes  in  cycles  also.      It's   up  and 
dewn  depending  on  elections  and  ether   things.      At  that  point  they 
were  at  the  high   point  of   their  cycle;  they   had  great  influence   on 
the   city   council. 

So  through  a  series  ef  meetings  with  the  chamber,    with 
planning  staff,   with  seme  ef  the  planning  commission,    some  of  the 
city   council,    we  were  finally  able  te  convince  them,    "Yeu're  mainly 
interested  in  the  number  ef  people  and  number  of  houses,    which  are 
really   the  same  thing,    that  will  create  business  for  the  community 
and  create  a  tax  base  for  the   community.      Suppose  we  make   this 
portion  that  we're  going  te  develop  more  concentrated  and  mere 
intensive,   increase   the  number   ef   people  and  the  tax  base,   and  then 
leave  some  land  in  agriculture?" 

Well.    I  was  able  te  then  convince  the  chamber  and  seme  ef   the 
planning  commission  and  the  council  and  some   of   the   planning  staff 
that  that  was  a   pretty   good  idea.      So  through  a  whole  process  of 
meetings  and  negotiations,    I  teek  my  plan  and  did  some  more 
detailed  planning  and  showed  them  what  could  be  dene,    and  they 
actually  came  up  with,    "We  want  X  number  of  houses  out  there,    can 
you  do   that?"     They  were  using  a   number  like  4000   or  4500  houses. 

Lage:          And  they  were  originally  thinking  of  them   spread  out  over  the  whole 
thing? 

Brooks:      Spread  out   ever   the  whole  thing. 


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PRECISE  SITE  PLAN  (PD  Exhibit) 


THE  ENVIRONMENTAL  CENTER 

PLANNING    DESIGN   a   LANDSCAPE  ARCHITECTURE 
1961  THE  ALAMEDA.  SAN  JOSE,  CA  95126- (4O6)  219-6152 


198 


Brooks:      At  that  point  everybody  was  exposed  to  what  was   going  on.      I   still 
did  my   basic  sketches,    and  then  I  had  a  professional   planner  come 
in  and  kind  of  refine   them  and  put  in  pretty   pictures — what  ^  call 
cartoons,    by   the  way — so  that  they   were  prepared  for  governmental 
agencies.      You  knew,    they  put  all   the  trees  in  and   color   them 
green. 

Lage:         Yes.    and  make  it  look  livable. 


Reaching  a   Consensus   en  the  Balance  between  Open  Space   and  Urban 
Development 


Brooks:      So  we  reached  a  balance  between  agriculture  and  development  that 

was  acceptable  to  the  community  forces,  and  not  only  the  chamber  of 
commerce  and  the  city  council,  but  the  environmental  groups  as  well 
because  they  got  in  the  act  at  that  point  in  time. 

Lage:          Well.     I  know    that  that's  one   of   the  ideas   I've  heard  environmental 
groups  put  forth,    that  we   should  have  increased  density   so  as  not 
to  use   up  all  the  open  space. 

Brooks:      Yes.      I  think  it  was  the  first  time  in  my  memory   that  even  the 

Sierra   dub  endorsed  this,    sent  letters  to  the  city   council   saying 
they  recommended   the   plan. 

Lage:          They    recommended  the  plan  you  presented? 

Brooks:     Yes. 

Lage:          Did  you  work  directly  with  people  in  the  Sierra  Club? 

Brooks:      Yes.    I  had  some  meetings  with  the  Sierra   dub   staff   people  and 
explained  what  we  were  doing  and  the  advantages  of  what  we  were 
doing.      I  assume  they   took  it  to  their  board,    but  I    didn't    deal 
with   the  board  directly.      I  just   dealt  with  a  staff  person  from   the 
Sierra  dub. 

So  we   seemed  to  have  general   acceptance  for  the  first  time  in 
history  from  all   the  various  elements!      From   all    the  various 
elements.      From   the  real   pro-growth  elements,    a  lot  of   them 
represented  on  the   chamber  of   commerce;   the   city   council;    the 
planning  commission;   the  environmentalist  groups;   the  historical 
groups,    because  we  were   preserving  the  house  and   the  area  around 
the  house,    and   that's   all   they   cared  about;    they   didn't  care  what 
you  did  with  the   development  so  long  as  we   preserved  these 
historical    things. 


199 


Brooks:     The  Sierra  dub  seemed  te  be  pleased  with  the  fact  that  the  areas 
that  remain  in  agriculture  we  provided  on  the  lower  end.    adjacent 
te  the  Coyote  Hills  Regional   Park,      It's  a  kind  of  lowlands,    seme 
of   it  semi-marsh,    an  open  space  tied  to  the  park,    which  would 
remain  an  open  space  in  the  future   through  an  open-space  easement. 

Lage:          And  would  a   tax  break  be   given  en  that? 

Brooks:     Well,   it's   still  in  the  Williamson  Act.     So  the  Williamson  Act 

remained  en  all   the  property   that  remained  in  agriculture,    and  the 
Williamson  Act  was  taken  off   all   the  land  that  was  te  be   developed. 
The  Pattersons  still   have  the  Williamson  Act   en  all  the  land  that 
remains  in  agriculture.      So  they're  able  to  farm   that,    but 
currently  with  farm   prices  and  the  rest,    there's  no  profit  in 
farming.      You're  lucky   if  you  break  even.      But  they   still  want   te 
have  land  remain  in  agriculture,    even  though  they   may  net  be 
breaking  even  en  that  operation. 

Lage:          Did  the  city   make   a  commitment  te  keep  it  in  agriculture  for  a 
length  of   time? 

Brooks:     No,    they   divided  the  agricultural  land  into  two  classes:     one  that 
remained  permanently  agriculture  and  another  class  that  they  called 
urban  reserve;   it  would  remain  in  agriculture  until  such  time  as 
there  was  a  proven  need  for  that  land  to  be   developed  for  the 
benefit  of   the  city   and  at  such   time  as  all   the  utilities  and  ether 
things  were  available  for   that   piece. 

So   they   took  a  portion  and  said.    "We  can  go  either  way   en  this. 
We'll  leave  it  in  agriculture  for  now,    but  we'll  have  te  look  at 
community   needs  in  the  future,    and  if  the  community  needs  it  in 
development  in  the  future,    then  we'll    change   that  portion.      And 
this  portion  down  here  will   remain  permanently   in  agriculture."     So 
that  was   all   part  ef   the  negotiations   between  these  various   groups. 

Lage:          And  what  happened  te  the  twelve  other  plans? 

Brooks:     Well,    the  other  plans  kind  of  just   disappeared.      When  it   came   time 
for   the  planning  commission  and  the  city  council   to  review   the 
plans,    the  other  plans  were  on  the  wall   so  everybody   could  see 
them,    but   they  were  only  really  discussing  the  one  plan. 

The  council   chambers  were  filled  with  people.      For  the  first 
time  in  my   memory,    not  one  person  spoke  against  the  plan.      There 
was  a  whole   parade  of  speakers  from   the  various   different  factions 
within  the  community   going  up  te  the  podium  and  speaking  in  favor 
ef   it.      I   sat   there  amazed,    listening  to  this,    and  said  t©  myself, 
"When  they   call   on  me   to  speak,    I'm  going  to  say  very  little 
because   I    don't  want   to   disturb  anybody."      [laughter]      You  know, 
I've  been  known  to  stand  at  the  podium   in  the  past  in  the  council 
chambers  and  talk  for   two,    two  and  a  half  hours  at  a   time. 


200 


Lage:          No  vender   the  meetings  lasted  until   three  in  the  morning! 

Brooks:     This  time   I   get  up.    and  I  was  away   from   there  in  two  or  three 
minutes  I 

Lage:          When  was  this?     When  did  it  actually  come  before  the  council?     Do 
you  knew   the   date? 

Brooks:      No.     I   don't  have   that   date.      Probably  '80,    '81    or   something  like 
that. 

It  was  a   general   plan  change   at  that  point  that  was  approved. 
Then  we  followed  that  with  a  planned  district  that  was   consistent 
with   that  and  began  to  refine  it  with  all  the  other  things  that 
have  to   go  into  it,   an   urban  development   plan.      We  also  then  built 
in,    which  is  not  normal,    the  economics  to  implement  it  because  it 
required  a  let  of  public  facilities.      Major  streets  and  sewers  and 
that  kind  of   thing  that  would  not  normally  be  an  obligation  of   the 
developer.      So  we   developed  economic  plans  to  accomplish  this   so 
we'd  have  a  full   community   from   the  beginning,    not  partially 
completed  streets. 


Lage: 
B  rooks : 

Lage: 
B  rooks : 


Lage: 


B  rooks : 


Local    improvement   districts? 

And  that's  why   we  used  two  local   improvement  districts.   LID  25  and 
27,   as   the   basic  implementation. 

I'm   curious,    with  all   the  planning  and  all   the  political   process, 
where  does  the  market  fit  in  the  planning  process?      I  mean,    where 
did  what  you  felt  people  would  buy  in  terms  of   homes  come  into 
play?     Did  people  want  increased  density? 

Well,     I've  been  at   this  business  thirty-five  years,    and  it's 
assumed  I  have  some  expertise  in  what  the  market  wants,   and  that 
was   part   of    the  planning  process.      You  had  a   plan  that's 
marketable.      You  knew,    a  plan  that's  not  marketable  is  no   good  to 
anybody;   it's  a  waste  of   time. 


How   do  you  increase  yeur  housing  density? 
tewnheuses? 


By  apartments  and 


Yes.    we  used  basically  smaller  single-family  lots  and  townheuses 
and  apartments. 


Lage:          You  thought  the  market  was   ready    for  that  kind  of   high-density 
development? 


201 


Brooks:     Well,   you  knew,    it's  an  opinion  you  form,    and  you  form  it  based  en 
your  experiences  and  your  knowledge   of   the  business.      I  assume  my 
judgment  was  right  because  the  development  process  is  about  five 
years  ahead  of   our  projected  schedule  right  now.    and  so  we've  get 
geed  market  demand.      The  market  demand  is  much  greater   than  anybody 
expected. 

Lage :          The   timing  was   good  too. 

Brooks:     Yes.      Yes,    you  have  to  be   fortunate  in  timing.      The  economics  of 
the   country  have  substantial   impact  en  these  things,  and  in  the 
current  age   the  world  economics  have  impacted  en  the  national 
economics,   and  that  has   direct  impact  locally. 

Lage:          Was  any   thought  given,    when  you  were  planning  where  to  put  things, 
to  the  value   of   the  land  for  agriculture?      For  instance,    I  talked 
to  Mel   Alameda   earlier  this  week  and  he  said  that  the  best 
agricultural  land  was   developed,   and  the  land  that  was  left  for 
agriculture  was  the  least  valuable   soil   and  water. 

Brooks:     Well,    other   things   dictated  that,  and  I   think  whenever  you  talk  to 
a  farmer,    any   land  you  take   away   from  him  is  the  most  valuable, 
anything  you  leave  him  with  is  the  least  valuable,    no  matter  which 
piece  you  take  I     But  that  seems  to  be  the  standard  answer. 
Regardless  of   that,    there  were  other  planning  factors  and  criteria 
that  dictated  where  a  development   should  be. 

For  example,   you  had  the  Ardenwood  regional   park,   which  we 
created,    and  the  city   wanted  the  development  adjacent  to  that  park. 
Putting  a  development  here  and  another   development  ever  here   or  a 
park  over  here  with  an  agricultural   piece   in  the  middle  causes  the 
most   difficult  agricultural   problem  because  you've   got  this   cress 
traffic  and  people.      A  further  consideration  was  to  put  the 
agricultural  land  where  it  could  be  isolated  as  a  unit  with  the 
least  interference   from   urban  development. 

Lage :          That  makes   sense. 

Brooks:      Se  you  had  all   these   other  factors  that  went  into  making  that 
determination. 

One  of  the  major  determinants,    by  the  way,    was  we  felt  the 
agricultural   area   should  be  adjacent  to   Coyote  Hills  Regional   Park 
so   that  you  had  a  natural    transition.      You  see,    the  Alamedas  were 
farming  part  of   the  regional   park  land  also.      They  had  a  lease  to 
farm   the  farmable  area  of   the  park  land,    and  this  was  merely  an 
extension  of  what  they  were  already   doing,    a  place  next  to  this 
large   open  area.      Because   of   the  nature  of   the  park  and  its  design, 
people   don't   get   down  to  this  area;    it's  separated   by    the  marshland 
and  then  the  agricultural   area. 


202 


Brooks:      So  it  fit  in  the   general  scheme   of   things.     The   soil    conditions  may 
be   a  little  bit  better  or  a  little  bit  worse   as  far  as  farming  is 
concerned.      I  really   don't   know,    but  if   Alameda   thinks  it's   not 
quite  as  good,    then  I'll  take  his  word  for  it.     But  I  don't  see  a 
whole  lot  of   distinctions. 

Lage:          And  maybe   there  wasn't  much   choice,    as  you  say. 
Brooks:     Yes. 


Mel  Belli' s  Representation  of   Dissident   Patterson  Family  Members 


Lage:          Any   comments  you'd  have  on  the  story  Bob  Buck  told  me  about  the 

Patterson  family  and  its  problems  in  dealing  with  its  own  members, 
the  lawsuit  with  Mel  Belli? 

Brooks:      It's   kind  of   a  complex  thing  because   the  Patterson  Ranch  people 

look  on  the  ranch  as  one  piece  of  land.     First  of  all,  it's  net  one 
piece   of  land.      The  part  that  we're  talking  about  for  development 
was   twenty-one   separate   parcels,    all   distinct,    separate   parcels, 
and  it  wasn't  one   ownership.      I   think  there  were  twenty-three  owner 
members  at  that  point  in  time  in  the  family,   and  these  twenty-three 
members  owned  the  whole  thing  but  they   owned  varying  interests  in 
these  various  parcels.     Like  one   owner  may   own  ten  percent   of   this 
parcel   and  ninety  percent  of   this  one.    but  another  owner  would  own 
fifteen  percent  of   this  and  ten  percent  of   that.      So  except  for 
being  a   family   member,    looking  at  the  land  itself,    there  was  no 
common  denominator  of  somebody  that  owned  everything  or  any   common 
interest. 

Then,    to  complicate  that  even  more.    Will  and  Henry  deeded  out 
various  portions  of  the  ranch  to  various  family  members,    not  only 
to  their  children  but   their  grandchildren,    in  direct   deeding,    and 
then  also   deeded  out  various  other   percentage  interests  to  trusts 
and  various  ether   things.      It  was  a  very   complex  ownership. 

Then,   like  any  ether  large  family,    disputes  occur  between  the 
various  owners,    and  disputes  occur  between  father  and  son, 
daughters  and   cousins  and  uncles.      So   two  of   the   grandchildren  of 
Will — they   had  very,   very   small  percentage  interest  between  them, 
something  less  than  two  percent — decided  that   they   could  do  a 
better  job  and  they   should  take   over   the  whole  thing.      As   a  result 
of   that,    they   employed  Belli  to  represent  them. 

Well,    Belli,    as  is  a  normal    thing,    files  a  lawsuit,    but  he  not 
only   files   a  lawsuit,    but  he   goes  a   step  further.      He   begins  to 
advertise   in  the  Wall   Street  Journal   and  ether  newspapers  that  he 
has   this  total    ranch  for   sale.      Even  though  he  represents  a    couple 


203 


Brooks:      of  very  minority  owners,   he  is  asking  for  offers  for  the   sale   of 

the  ranch,    and  people  are  going  in.    making  all  kinds  of   proposals, 
and  he's   gathering  all  kinds   ef   information,    and  he's    convinced 
that  tie  should  be   the  developer  of   the  ranch. 

Lage:          So  he  felt  he   could  make  more  money  for  his   clients  with  a 
different   development   plan?     Was  that  what  it  was  over? 

Brooks:      I   don't  know  whether  it  was  a   different   development   plan.      It  was 
mere  an  argument  ever  who  was  going  to  control  what  would  happen 
mere   than  the   development   plan.     I   don't  think  it  was  so  much  a 
development  plan  because  he  began  to  send  out   copies  ef  my  plans  to 
people   offering  it  for   sale! 

Of   course,    because   ef   the  family   relationships,    that  again  got 
complex.      Eventually  it  went  to  trial.      It  was  scheduled  to  be  a 
fairly  long,    complicated  trial,   but  after  about  two  heurs  ef   the 
trial,    the  Belli  attorney  asked  the   court  for  a  recess  and  went  »ut 
in  the  hall   and  said,    "Can't  we  settle  this  thing?"      [laughter] 
They   saw  they  didn't  really  have  a   case. 

Lage:          I  wonder  why   it  teek  them   so  long  to  see  that? 

Brooks:  Sometimes  attorneys  don't  do  as  much  homework  as  they  should,  I 
must  say,  and  this  particular  guy  didn't.  As  a  rule,  sometimes 
they  don1 1. 

One   of   the  family  members  said,    "What  kind  of   a  settlement 
would  you  propose?"     They   said,    "Well,    buy  out   the  interest  ef 
these   two  minority   owners."     Right  in  the  courthouse  hall  negotia 
tions  took  place  and  an  arrangement  to  buy   them  out  was  agreed  to. 

I   said,    "There's   one   other   factor   that  we  have  to  consider, 
that  you've  got  to   dismiss  your   complaint,    but  we   don't  want  to   be 
facing  this  next   month  again.      You  go   to  Belli's  office   and  Belli 
personally  has  to  agree  te  a  restraining  order   that  he'll   never 
again  interfere  with   the  Patterson  family." 

Of   course  they   said,    "Well,    if   that  becomes  public,    it's  very 
damaging  te  his   reputation."     So  we   agreed  that  there'd  be   a 
restraining  order  and  it  would  be   sealed,   held  by   the   court,   and  in 
the  event  that  he  violated  the  order,    it  would  be   unsealed. 

Lage:          A  fascinating  ending!      So  it  was  actually  a   court  order? 

Brooks:     Yes,    a  restraining  order.      He  stipulated  to  it,    by   the  way,    agreed 
to  it.      There  wasn't  any   dispute.      The   court   said  that  we  were 
requesting  a   restraining  order,    "Mr.    Belli,    de  you  want  to  comment 
en  it?"  and  he   said,    "I   stipulate  te  it,    provided  the   order  will   be 
sealed  by    the   court."     The  judge    said,    "Is   that  acceptable?"  and 
everybody   said  yes,   and  that  was   the  end  of   that! 


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Lage:          You  purchased  the   two   dissident  family  members'   interests,    didn't 
yeu? 

Brooks:      Yes. 

Lage:         Economically,    how   did  they  come  out.    de  yeu  think?      If  they'd 
stayed  on  with  the  Pattersons — 

Brooks:     They   get  the  fair  market  value   and.    I  think,   above  the  fair  market 
value   of   the   property  at   that   time.      Of   course,   fair  market  value 
has   increased  since   that  time.      It's  like   any   ether   sale;   yeu  buy 
it  in  the   current  fair  market  value  and  yeu  take  the  risk  of  an 
increase  or  decrease. 

Lage:         Then  they  had  to  pay  Belli  out  of   that? 

Brooks:     Yes.    they   had  to  pay  Belli  a  substantial   portion  of  what  they 
received. 

Lage:          It's  kind  of   a  sad  tale. 

Brooks:     A  very  substantial  portion  of   it  Belli  received  as  his  fee  for 
losing  the   case. 

Lage:  Are  yeu  still   a  partner,    then,   with  the  Pattersons? 

Brooks:  Yes. 

Lage:  So  you're  involved  as  an  owner,    not  just  a  consultant? 

Brooks:  That's   right. 

Lage:         Then,    after  that,    the  family  formed  a  corporation  to  de  away  with 
these   problems  in  the  future? 

Brooks:     Well,    the  status  of   the  ownership  was  impossible  to  deal  with 

because  you  had  all    these   separate   parcels  and  you  had  all   these 
separate  owners  and  nobody  owned  any  one  parcel;   everybody  owned 
little   percentages   of  each   parcel,    so  you  could  not   do  anything 
without   getting  everybody   to  approve  each  item   and  sign,    which  is 
an  impossible   situation.      They   all   don't  live  in  this   area.      Seme 
of   them   live  in  the  East,    the  Midwest.      They're  scattered  all   over, 
and   then  net  familiar  with  what's   going  en. 

So  that  resulted  in  forming  a  limited  partnership,    which 
allows  a  general   partner  to  take  appropriate  actions  without 
getting  individual   approvals.      So   that  was   done,    and  that  resolved 
this    complex  ownership   thing  that   there   didn't  appear  to  be  any 
solution  to.      The  rest  of   the  members  of    the  family,    except   for   the 
two   that   sold,   joined  as   partners. 


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Lage:          It's  mere  rational. 

Brooks:     Yes.      It's  a  logical   business  organization,    whereas  the  previous 
status   of   things  was  an  impossible  kind  of  business  organization. 

Lage:          Now,   you're  net  a   consultant  en  a   regular  basis  at  present? 
Brooks :     No. 

Lage:          Is  there  anything  else  you  want  t«  add  about  the  processes  we've 
talked  about  today   that  you  think  we've  missed? 

Brooks:     No,    I  think  we've   covered  it  pretty  well. 


Will   Patterson  and  the  Woodpeckers 


Lage:         Will  you  tell   the   story  you  told  me  last   time  about  Will   Patterson? 

Brooks:     Well.    I  think  you're  thinking  of   the  story   of  Will   and  the 
woodpeckers. 

Lage:          Right. 

Brooks:     You  knew,    the  woodpeckers  had  existed  for  many  years,    and  Will 
lived  in  the  house,   and  his   common  way   of   getting  rid  of   the 
woodpeckers  was  to  just  put  a  shotgun  out  the  window  when  they 
started  pecking  and  shoot  the   gun  and  it  would  scare  them  away. 

Lage:          And  he  was  elderly,   you  said,    at  the  time. 

Brooks:     Well,   he  kept   getting  more  and  more  elderly  and  less  able  to   get 

around.      He  became  a  sem i- inv al id,    in  a  wheelchair.      At  that  point 
in  time,  you  know,   he  began  to  have  some  problems  like  with  the 
bathroom.      I  went  over  and  remodeled  his  bathroom  for  him  and  made 
it  an  invalid  kind  of  bathroom  with  all   the  bars  and  that  kind  of 
stuff. 

While  doing  that.    I  learned  of   this  procedure  of   getting  rid 
of   the  woodpeckers   because   I'd  hear   the   shotgun   go   off.    and   I'd   go 
in  and  say.    "Will,    what  are  you  shooting  at?"      [laughter]      "Yeah, 
the   damn  woodpeckers;    they've  been  around  here  for  a  hundred  years, 
but   that's   my   way    of   getting  rid  ef   them."     But   because   of   his  age 
and  inability  to   get  around,    I   got  very   concerned  about   that 
shotgun  alongside    of   his  bed  all   the  time.      I   said,    "Will,    we've 
got  to  get  rid  of  the  shotgun."    He  said,   "It's  the  only  way  I  can 
get  rid  of   the  woodpeckers." 


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Brooks:      So  I   said,    "Well.    I'll   solve   that   problem."     So   I  went  out  and 

bought  a  big  school  bell  and  mounted  it  en  the  side   of  the  house 
and  I  ran  the  wiring  into  the  house  with  a  button  alongside   of  his 
bed  so   that  whenever   the  woodpeckers  began  to  peck,    he'd  just   push 
the  button,    the  bell  would  ring  and  scare  the  woodpeckers  away. 
Then  we  took  his  shotgun  away   from  him.       [laughter] 

Lage:          And  that  was  agreeable? 

Brooks:     Yes.      In  fact,    he  gave  me  the  shotgun.      He  gave  me  the  shotgun  as  a 
gift. 

Lage:          So,    really,    that  was  all   he  cared  about  having  it  for? 

Brooks:      Yes,    that's   the  only   thing  he  wanted  the   shotgun  for,    to  scare 
woodpeckers  away.       [laughter] 

Lage:          That's  a   good  tale. 


Transcriber:       Joyce  Minick 
Final   Typist:      Shannon  Page 


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Regional  Oral  History   Office 
The  Bancroft  Library 


University   of   California 
Berkeley,    California 


THE    PATTERSON   FAMILY  AND  RANCH: 
SOUTHERN  ALAMEDA   COUNTY  IN   TRANSITION 


Robert  B.    Fisher,    M.D. 


History   and  Politics: 
The   Creation  of  Ardenwood  Regional   Preserve 


An  Interview   Conducted  by 
Ann  Lage 
in  1986 


Copyright 


1988  by   the  Regents   of   the  University   of   California 


ROBERT  B.  FISHER,  M.D. 

Retirement  party  in  the  restored  Clark 
Hall,  Irvington  District,  Fremont,  1984 


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TABLE  OF  CONTENTS  —  Robert  B.    Fisher 

INTERVIEW   HISTORY  210 

BIOGRAPHICAL    INFORMATION  211 


I        HISTORICAL    PRESERVATION    IN   FREMONT  212 

Early   Interest  in  History  212 

The  First  Recreation  Commission's  Vision  for  Fremont  21A 
Historical  Resources   Commission:      Earmarking  Historic 

Sites  for  Preservation  216 

Development  of   City  Historic  Overlay  District  Ordinances  218 

Designating  the  Patterson  House   as  a  Potential   Park,    1960s  220 

The  Mission  Peak  Heritage   Foundation  221 

II        PRESERVATION   OF  THE   PATTERSON   MANSION  AND   CREATION   OF 

ARDENWOOD  PARK.    1971-1981  226 

The  Patterson  Family,    Singer  Housing,    and  the 

Preservationists  226 

Lawsuits  and  Negotiations:     Background  to  the  Establishment 

of  Ardenwood  229 

Developing  a   Proposal    for  a  Multipurpose  Historical   Park  231 

Lobbying  for  East  Bay  Regional   Park  District   Involvement  234 

III        ARDENWOOD  MANAGEMENT:      PLANS,    POLITICS,    AND   COMMUNITY 

INVOLVEMENT  239 

Importance   of   Citizen  Action  239 

The  Washington  Township  Historical   Society   Steps   In  241 

Operation  of   Citizen  Advisory    Committees  243 
Political  and  Personal   Complications  for  Ardenwood 

Management  249 

Recent   Changes  in  Leadership  250 

TAPE  GUIDE  254 

APPENDIX  —  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  Proposal  for  Historic 

Preserve  at  Ardenwood,    1980  255 


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INTERVIEW  HISTORY  —  Robert  B.    Fisher 


When  Robert  Fisher  set  up  his  medical   practice  in  Niles  in  1950.    it 
was  a  strictly  rural  community  with  many  of  the  area's  pioneers  still 
living  and  the  pioneer  homesteads  still  standing.      He  had  brought  with  him 
from  his  New  England  upbringing  an  interest  in  history,   an  interest  further 
stimulated  by  getting  to  know   the  area's  pioneer  families.      Service  on  the 
Fremont  Recreation  Commission  shortly  after  incorporation  and  involvement  in 
the  first   planning  for  park  sites  intensified  his  awareness  of  the 
importance   of    the  area's  historic   sites. 

Fisher's  oral  history  recounts  his  growing  involvement  in  city  affairs 
and  his  founding  of   the   Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation,   and  briefly 
discusses   the   development   of   several   of   the  city's  historic  sites.      It 
concentrates  on  his   central  role  in  envisioning  the  George  Washington 
Patterson  homesite  as  a  historic  site,    in  working  with  the  city  and  the  East 
Bay  Regional  Park  District  to  make  the  Ardenwood  Regional  Preserve  a 
reality,    and  in  shaping  the  plan  that  was  eventually  adopted  for  the  park. 
It  also  recounts  the  difficulties  encountered  in  restoring  the  historic 
mansion  and  the  problems  caused  when  the  management  of  Ardenwood  became 
entangled  with  personal  antagonisms  and  city  politics. 

While  the  story  of  Fisher's  own  role  in  these  events  is  primary  here, 
he  gives  credit  to  many  other  local   citizens  for  their   contributions. 
His  account  illustrates  the  role  and  value  of  citizen  action  in  historical 
preservation  and   planning. 

Dr.    Fisher  was  interviewed  in  the  George  Washington  Patterson  home  at 
Ardenwood  Regional   Preserve,    on  September  9,    1986.      After  reviewing  the 
transcript  of   his  interview,    he  submitted  a  number  of  papers  to  further 
illustrate  the  role  of  the  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  at  Ardenwood. 
The  Foundation's  1980  proposal   for  a  historic  preserve  at  Ardenwood  is 
included  as  an  appendix  to  his  oral  history.      Other  papers  have  been  placed 
in   The  Bancroft  Library. 


Ann  Lage 

Interviewer/Editor 
Project  Director 


September,   1988 

Regional   Oral   History   Office 

The  Bancroft  Library 

University  of  California  at  Berkeley 


Regional  Oral  History  Office 
Room  486  The  Bancroft  Library 


University  of  California 
Berkeley,  California  94720 


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BIOGRAPHICAL  INFORMATION 
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Your  full  name 


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Date  of  birth       ,72*  4.  (ftf          Place  of  birth        A,;sS  /*f4SS 


Father's   full  name 


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Birthplace 


Occupation 


Mother's   full  name 

Birthplace  

Occupation  


Ae&//*  .f/jr*  r 


Where  did  you  grow  up  ? 


Present  community 


Education 


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Occupation(s) 


Special  interests  or  activities 
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I   HISTORICAL  PRESERVATION  IN  FREMONT 
[Date  of  Interview:   September  9,  1986] //// 

Early  Interest  in  History 


Lage:  We're  going  to  start  with  some  personal  background,  if  you  don't  mind. 
Just  a  little  bit  about  where  you  were  born  and  raised,  and  primarily, 
how  you  became  so  interested  in  history. 

Fisher:   Okay.   I  was  born  in  Ayer,  Massachusetts,  and  came  to  the  Los  Angeles 
area  when  I  was  about  nine  months  old.   I  took  my  premedical  education 
at  Los  Angeles  City  College  and  UCLA.   I  went  on  to  USC  Medical  School 
and  had  my  internship  at  the  L.A.  County  Hospital  and  Santa  Fe 
Coastline  Hospital  there.   During  medical  school  I  was  in  the  army 
ASTP  program  [Army  Specialized  Training  Program] ,  and  after  graduation 
and  internship  I  went  into  the  army  for  two  years  to  pay  back  the 
education.   I  was  in  New  England  during  the  army.   I  had  asked  for 
Europe  and  of  course  got  New  England.   [laughter] 

Lage:    Give  me  a  date. 

Fisher:   The  graduation  was  1947,  and  so  I  was  in  the  army  until  '49  and 

stationed  at  Fort  Myer,  Virginia,  which  is  right  across  the  Potomac 
from  Washington,  D.C.   So  with  my  New  England  family  background  and 
from  being  in  New  England  and  being  interested  in  antique  furniture 
and  early  New  England  stuff,  it  was  sort  of  natural  to  like  history. 
During  our  travels  there,  I  became  interested  in  New  England  history, 
and  the  villages,  and  the  old  homes. 

When  I  finished  with  the  army  I  took  a  residency  in  general 
practice  at  Bakersfield  in  the  Kern  County  General  Hospital,  and  from 


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or  ended.   For  a  guide  to  the  tapes  see  page  254. 


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Fisher :  there  looked  around  various  places  to  set  up  a  practice  in  the  Bay 
Area  and  found  the  Niles  area.  One  of  the  doctors  was  ill,  and  I 
took  over  for  a  while. 

Lage:    Was  there  a  particular  thing  in  this  area  that  attracted  you?  Or  was 
it  all  a  practical  proposition? 

Fisher:   No,  I  think  it  was  an  interesting  area  as  far  as  history.   Remember 
that  Alameda  County  really  started  there  with  the  mission,  Mission 
San  Jose,  the  fourteenth  California  mission.   And  around  it  had 
developed  a  sort  of  a  nucleus  of  all  the  different  eras  of  history, 
starting  with  the  mission,  Spanish  and  gold  rush. 

As  I  got  to  know  people  I  began  to  realize  that  there  were  still 
pioneer  family  descendants  living  here  in  the  exact  spot  they  had 
started.   In  my  practice  I  saw  their  homes  when  I  made  house  calls, 
because  in  those  days  in  a  country  practice  you  got  paid  in  lettuce 
and  chickens,  and  I  made  seven  or  eight  house  calls  routinely  each 
day.   They  would  be  at  these  old,  beautiful  homes  in  the  area. 

Lage:    But  those  days  weren't  really  all  that  long  ago. 
Fisher:   1950  is  when  I  arrived  here  and  started  practice. 
Lage:    But  it  was  still  very  much  of  a  country  practice? 

Fisher:   It  was  strictly  rural  Alameda  County.   There  were  five  little  towns 
in  this  area.  Niles,  Warm  Springs,  Irvington,  Centerville,  Mission 
San  Jose.   And  it  was  under  Alameda  County  government,  really.   Each 
town  had  its  own  little  town  meetings,  but  they  were  very  informal. 

Lage:    So  you  got  to  know  a  lot  of  the  pioneer  families? 

Fisher:   I  got  to  know  them  personally  through  my  practice  and  as  friends.   A 
good  number  of  them  were  interested  in  their  early  family  history — 
the  Overackers  and  the  Whipples.   In  fact,  I  lived  on  the  Whipple 
Ranch,  which  is  toward  Decoto,  when  I  first  came  here.   It  was  one  of 
the  early  family  ranches.   So  as  I  got  to  know  them,  they  introduced 
me  to  their  friends,  and  I  got  started  looking  for  old  homes,  taking 
pictures  of  them,  and  tracking  down  artifacts  and  documents. 

Lage:    This  was  all  on  your  own? 

Fisher:   This  was  in  1950,  yes.   At  that  time  the  Washington  Township  Historical 
Society  was  down  to,  I  think,  four  or  five  elderly  people,  descendants 
of  the  pioneer  families.  Mrs.  Whipple  was  really  the  matriarch  of 
history,  and  I  spent  hours  and  hours  talking  with  her. 

Lage:    Did  you  ever  tape-record  her? 


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Fisher:  Yes,  I  have  tapes  of  most  of  the  early  families.   She  was  perhaps  the 
only  active  member  then  of  the  historical  society.   I  became  a 
director  of  that  group  and  in  the  meantime  had  moved  to  Mission  San 
Jose  where  I  established  my  practice.   The  Mission  San  Jose  Chamber 
was  not  a  chamber  of  commerce  but  a  small  promotional  group  that  was 
anxious  to  restore  the  mission  and  save  the  environment  of  the  mission. 
So  I  really  became  very  interested  in  that.   Out  of  that  later 
developed  the  plan  for  the  restoration  of  the  Mission  San  Jose,  and 
the  historic  districts,  and  so  forth. 

Lage:    So  that's  a  good  background.   You  plunged  right  into  history  from 
the  time  you  got  here. 

Fisher:  Yes.   It  started  in  the  1950s,  getting  to  know  these  people  and 
getting  started. 


The  First  Recreation  Commission's  Vision  for  Fremont 


Lage:    You  had  a  role  on  the  Recreation  Commission  at  the  time  of  incorpor 
ation? 

Fisher:  Yes,  in  1956.  By  that  time  I  had  been  doing  things  with  the  local 
historical  groups,  but  during  incorporation  I  became  interested  in 
incorporation,  and  the  hospital  was  also  forming.  We  started 
organizing  the  medical  staff  even  before  the  hospital  was  built.   I 
wrote  the  policy  statements,  bylaws,  etc.,  for  the  incorporation 
campaign,  hospital  staff  organization,  and  Recreation  Commission.   I 
guess  I  became  the  expert  on  ghost  writing  bylaws  and  policy  statements 
for  various  entities.   Incorporation,  then,  set  in  motion,  of  course, 
an  entirely  different  type  of  new  city.   This  was  a  unique  chance — 
instead  of  starting  with  an  old  district  and  working  out  and  having 
area  of  slums  develop  in  the  original  old  part  with  their  inherent 
problems,  this  city  started  from  the  outside  in  and  actually  was  able 
to  create  a  new  civic  center  around  the  park  and  able  to  plan  their 
recreation  element.   So  I  was  interested  in  that  aspect  of  it  and  was 
on  the  first  Recreation  Commission. 

There  were  several  people,  Will  Lamareux,  Mary  Goodwin,  myself, 
who  drew  up — well,  again,  the  policy  statement  I  had  worked  out — and 
drew  up  a  sort  of  a  concept  of  a  green  belt  on  the  outside  which  would 
be  the  hills,  the  bay,  Niles  Canyon,  Alameda  Creek.   Then  going  toward 
the  center,  which  would  be  the  central  park  with  civic  center. 
Connecting  the  peripheral  green  belt  and  civic  center  would  be 
linear  parks  that  would  represent  right  of  ways — TG&E's,  and  the  water 
district's,  used  as  trails,  bridle  paths,  etc. 


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Lage:    I'm  getting  a  picture  of  a  wheel  with  spokes,  is  that  correct? 

Fisher:   Right.   That's  what  our  wheel  represents  on  the  Mission  Peak 
Heritage  Foundation  logo. 

Lage:    This  was  after  incorporation? 


Fisher: 


Lage: 


Fisher : 


Lage: 


Fisher: 


Yes.   After  incorporation  on  the  Recreation  Commission.   There  was 
a  very  creative  Recreation  Department  head,  Len  MacViker,  and  we  did 
a  lot  of  scouting  around  for  park  sites.   It  became  obvious  then  that 
the  potential  park  sites  were  really  there  because  of  early  large 
residences  and  acreages  of  the  pioneer  families.   So  the  Shinns,  the 
Pattersons,  Gallegos,  and  so  forth,  these  were  areas  of  mature  trees, 
large  estates,  and  were  ideal  park  sites.   In  a  new  city  there  was 
no  money,  so  most  of  these  parks  would  eventually  come  to  the  city 
by  dedication.   A  developer  would  buy  the  area,  and  then,  as  part  of 
their  persuasion  to  get  better  density  and  more  amentities  and  so 
forth,  they  would  dedicate  a  certain  acreage,  taking  a  little  bit 
from  each  lot  and  putting  it  into  one  single  area  designated  as  a 
park. 


Was  that  the  plan  from  the  beginning? 
Recreation  Commission? 


Was  that  worked  out  in  the 


That's  the  way  it  sort  of  worked  out  in  policy,  and  then  in  addition 
there  were  large  city  parks;   the  Hidden  Valley,  the  Agua  Caliente 
area,  that  were  hill  areas,  and  of  course  the  central  park  were  the 
citywide-type  parks.   Then  there  was  an  interesting  network  of 
neighborhood  parks.   Each  grammar  school  had  an  associated  playground 
and  an  associated  park  called  a  neighborhood  park.   Then  there  would 
be  a  slightly  larger  area  at  junior  high  schools,  and  then  finally 
the  high  school.   Each  one  would  have  a  park  attached  to  it  and 
coordinated  with  the  playground.   This  really  worked  out  as  a  great 
system. 

To  our  topic,  it  turned  out,  of  course,  that  many  of  these  parks 
were  historic  parks  and  were  defined  as  such  on  the  recreational 
element.   So  Shinn  Park,  for  instance,  was  dedicated  by  the  family 
as  an  historic  park,  and  it  became  part  of  the  system  of  parks. 

Was  that  a  gift  of  the  family  or  did  that  come  in  through  this 
development  dedication  process? 

It  was  suggested  by  the  Recreation  Commission  and  the  director, 
frequently,  that  this  was  a  way  the  family  could  gain  tax  advantages, 
and  it  would  be  a  family  memorial  that  would  remain.   So  the  Harvey 
House  and  the  Shinn  House  came  into  the  park  system.   Originally 
Gallegos  House  was  going  to  be  and  didn't.   So  many  of  the  early 
grounds  were  developed  that  way,  and  that  was  when  I  first  had  a 
close  contact  with  these  places. 


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Fisher:   It  was  about  that  time  that,  I  think,  I  suggested  making  an  inventory 
in  order  to  develop  this  plan  for  the  parks  and  save  the  buildings.  . 
Because  they  were  being  lost.   This  was  a  new  city  and  the  urban 
sprawl  was  just  hitting  it.   This  was  open  country  and  suddenly  a 
city,  and  a  city  had  to  have  housing  development;  it  had  to  have 
industry.   So  there  was  this  tremendous  crush  to  get  the  farming 
land  into  development. 

Lage:    Did  the  incorporation  spur  the  development,  or  was  it  a  response,  a 
way  to  control  what  was  coming? 

Fisher:   It  was  a  spur,  of  course,  because  it  was  the  last  area  in  the  bay 

that  didn't  have  housing,  didn't  have  a  lot  of  density.   At  the  same 
time  a  general  plan  was  developed,  uniquely,  which  gave  an  opportunity 
to  control  this.   It  allowed  utilities,  and  schools,  fire  department, 
street  planning,  and  park  planning,  and  so  forth,  a  chance  to  keep 
pace  with  it,  a  chance  to  be  developed  right.   Or  course,  it  got 
eroded,  as  always,  as  the  fight  between  the  human  interest,  cultural 
interest  on  one  hand  against  the  industrial,  and  tax,  and  economic 
interest  (to  make  the  buck)  and  put  as  many  houses  as  you  can  in 
the  number  of  acres. 

But  at  least  it  was  slowed  down,  and  really  the  controversies 
in  the  city  were  based,  as  I  suppose  they  are  in  all  cities,  on  these 
two  factors  coming  together.  The  original  little  group  of  farmers 
and  druggists  and  local  people  that  made  up  the  city  council  even 
tually  were  replaced  by  people  who  were  really  politicians  and  backed 
by  the  developers  and  pressure  groups  and  so  forth.   But  it  had  a 
start. 

Lage:    Yes,  you  developed  a  group  to  defend  the  historical  and  cultural 
interest,  which  doesn't  always  happen. 

Fisher:  Yes.   This  was,  I  think,  very  fortunate,  especially  here  with  the 

tremendous  wealth  of  historical  buildings  and  history,  and  the  sites  , 
in  the  area. 


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Lage:    You  mentioned  that  you  suggested  an  inventory.  Was  that  the  work 
of  the  Fremont  Historical  Resources  Commission? 

Fisher:  Yes.   First,  the  commission  suggested  that  the  Washington  Township 
Historical  Society  name  some  places  to  receive  plaques.   I  was  on 
that  committee  and  Mrs.  Griffin  was  still  quite  active  as  one  of 
those  members.  We  did  name  a  few;  I  think  there  were  twenty  or 


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Fisher:   thirty  or  something  like  that,  that  eventually  would  have  plaques. 

But  it  sort  of  fell  through;  it  was  made  up  of,  as  I  say,  people 

that  really  weren't  very  active  and  couldn't  get  around  and  see  the 
places. 

So  it  was  redefined  and  a  new  commission  appointed,  made  up  of 
people  who  were  frequently  not  only  younger,  but  more  aggressive  and 
more  active  and  able  to  get  around  and  do  the  research  necessary. 
We  would  first  take  an  area  and  do  research,  book-wise,  and  oral 
history,  and  so  forth,  and  then  pin  down  the  places  as  to  location, 
and  date  it.   So  the  Historical  Resources  Commission  was  formed  by 
the  Recreation  Commission  with  approval  of  the  council.   I  was  the 
chairman  of  that  group. 

The  purpose,  really,  was  straight  out  to  find  and  designate 
the  historic  features  of  Fremont.   This  would  be  sites,  and  horti 
culture  resources  such  as  an  avenue  of  trees  (olive  trees  and  palm 
trees)  as  well  as  structural  resources,  sites  of  some  famous 
happening,  etc.  We  started  in  '65,  I  think.   It  really  took  about 
four  years  to  complete  it  with  revisions  and  so  forth. 

Lage:    And  you  were  chair  of  that  commission. 

Fisher:  Yes.   It  was  a  changing  group,  but  I  remember  some  of  the  names 

here.   Bernadette  Esley  and  Juliane  Howe  were  the  two  members  that 
really  hung  there  until  the  end.   Juliane  Howe  was  our  amateur 
photographer  who  took  pictures,  originally,  and  became  a  professional. 
She  was  our  photographer  during  those  years  and  actually  went  into 
the  photographic  art  and  is  doing  well  in  that  now.   Bernadette 
Esley  was  our  secretary  and  chased  down  a  lot  of  the  information. 
We  did  a  lot  of  interviewing,  unfortunately  we  didn't  tape  some  of 
them,  but  we  were  there  just  at  the  time  when  a  lot  of  these  elderly 
pioneers  were  still  able  to  help.  We  did  get  a  lot  of  information. 

The  next  step  was  to  convince  the  city  that  these  historical 
resources  should  be  put  on  official  city  maps.   This  was  a  lobbying 
effort  that  the  Recreation  Commission  cooperated  on  after  quite 
a  lot  of  long  nights  at  the  council.   By  then  we  were  beginning  to 
think  about  a  permanent  organization  because  we  had  been  getting 
donations  from  people,  and  we  had  tapes  and  so  forth.  We  divided 
up  the  historic  resources,  which  were  about  three  hundred,  into 
two  groups,  the  primary  and  secondary.   This  was  based  on  five 
different  criteria  that  we  set  up,  such  as  historical  significance; 
the  architectural  significance;  association  with  an  event,  happening 
or  people;  visual  impact,  etc.  So  it  had  to  be  more  than  just  an 
old  house.   These  fell  roughly  into  about  a  hundred  and  fifty 
primary  ones.   These  primary  resources  we  did  get  onto  the  maps,  a 
separate  group  of  five  maps,  with  numbered  designations.   Then  these 
became  part  of  the  recreation  element  map  and,  finally,  part  of  the 
Fremont  general  plan   (studies  for  each  area  of  the  general  plan). 


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Was  the  thought  that  these  areas  should  be  saved? 

These  then  became  "flags"  so  that  as  development  started  in  that 
area,  the  city  staff  could  be  alerted,  "Here's  something  that  should 
be  saved."  Eventually  we  got  ordinances  passed  that  made  it 
necessary,  if  they  were  in  the  path  of  development,  to  review  the 
primary  ones  by  an  Historical  Architectural  Review  Board,  which 
decided  whether  or  not  they  should  be  saved.   It  gave  a  ninety-day 
holding  time  if  they  were  to  be  torn  down  to  have  the  public  come 
and  either  offer  to  move  them  or  buy  them  or  the  city  buy  them — 
"put  up  or  shut  up"  time.   But  at  least  it  was  a  reprieve,  not  an 
automatic  permission  to  destroy. 


How  difficult  was  that  to  get  through  the  council? 
development-minded  at  that  time? 


Was  the  council 


At  the  time  when  we  did  it  it  was  pretty  good.  These  were  still 
people  that  were  themselves,  often,  pioneers,  and  understood  the 
importance  of  saving  these  historical  sites. 

So  we're  still  in  about  the  mid-sixties. 

Yes.   The  pressure  by  developers  and  the  changes  in  the  council  began 
at  that  time.   But  at  least  these  were  earmarked  for  saving. 


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Fisher:   Then  the  other  two  elements  of  the  work  of  the  Historical  Resources 
Commission  were  the  ordinances — I  started  to  say  how  the  primary 
historic  resources  were  covered.   But  in  addition  there  was  a  study — 
there  had  been  about  three  different  studies  by  city  urban  consultants 
in  helping  to  set  up  the  city.   They  were  extremely  talented.   The 
701  study  program*started  about  that  time  and  spoke  to  other  interest 
ing  aspects  of  city  planning.  At  that  point  I  was  involved  in  the 
Mission  San  Jose  Chamber  activities  that  had  started  in  the  1950s, 
with  Don  Dillon,  Lois  Bottenberg,  the  postmistress,  and  Don  Stransky. 
We  were  all  interested  in  saving  the  mission  and  its  environment. 

At  that  time  when  the  701  study  was  developed  we  had  organized 
the  plan  for  the  Mission  San  Jose  Historic  District  to  the  point  that 
they  actually,  as  part  of  their  work  up,  recommended  the  whole  outline 
of  our  suggestions.   That  included  an  historic  overlay  district 
ordinance  for  the  Mission  San  Jose  area.   That,  in  addition  to 
identifying  the  historic  places  and  "small  town  complex,"  actually 
within  a  certain  area  made  it  a  requirement  to  be  reviewed  by  the 
HARB  (Historical  Architectural  Review  Board) — not  just  for  the  historic 


*A  planning  program  funded  by  federal  grants  through  section  701 
of  the  Federal  Housing  Act  of  1954. 


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Fisher:  buildings  but  for  any  new  building  or  any  restoration  within  that 
area.   So  not  only  was  the  historic  building  protected,  but  any 
remodeling  had  to  be  compatible,  and  any  new  building  had  to  be  at 
least  reasonably  compatible. 

Lage:    In  the  area? 

Fisher:   In  the  area  designated  by  this  overlay,  which  is  the  nucleus  of 
the  old  town  complex. 

Lage:    Was  this  an  area  surrounding  the  mission? 

Fisher:   Surrounding  the  mission  for  a  few  blocks.   This  was  sort  of 

patterned  after  Santa  Barbara,  although  there  they  were  restricted 
to  only  Spanish  architecture.   Here,  it  could  be  any  of  the  eras 
of  history — the  gold  rush,  and  so  forth — because  it  already  was  that 
kind  of  a  mixture.   Later,  Niles  received  the  same  treatment  of  an 
historic  overlay  district,  which  kept  it  compatible  to  the  small 
railroad  town  and  Essanay  movie  activities.   [the  Essanay  Moving 
Picture  Company  was  active  in  Niles  from  1912-1915.  Charlie  Chaplin 
was  one  of  the  stars  of  films  produced  in  Niles.] 

Lage:    So  these  are  things  that  were  successfully  put  through  the  council? 

Fisher:   Yes.   Fortunately,  early  on.   The  inventory,  I  think,  was  about 

twenty  years  earlier  than  most  of  the  cities  around.   So  we  had  a 
good  head  start. 

Lage:    You've  mentioned  the  701  study  program.   I'm  not  clear  what  that 
was.   Was  that  developed  by  one  of  the  consultants? 

Fisher:   Yes.   There  were  several  studies.   There  was  one  done  by  University 
of  California  City  and  Regional  Planning  Department,  and  the 
original  city  incorporation  used  a  company  of  urban  consultants 
in  setting  up  the  various  offices  and  agencies.   Then  this  701  study 
was  sort  of  frosting  on  the  cake  in  giving  unique  areas  some  protec 
tion.   It  primarily  had  tc  do  with  the  fact  that  we  were  dealing 
with  five  old  areas  that  were  really  dying  out,  in  competition  with 
new  people  coming  in  and  making  shopping  centers  on  land  that  was 
very  low  in  cost.   These  old  historic  districts  needed  to  be 
upgraded  and  compete  with  the  new  districts  to  survive. 

Lage:    As  a  commercial  district? 

Fisher:   Yes.   As  a  commercial  district  and  community,  or  residential  district, 
I  think  these  programs  developed  partly  out  of  that  need.   At  any 
rate,  that  was  accomplished  in  Mission  and  in  Niles.   Unfortunately, 
these  plans  were  voted  on. 

Lage:    Voted  on  by  the  people  in  the  areas? 


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Fisher:   Individual  plans  were  voted  on  in  the  elections.   The  plans  for 
Mission  and  Niles  got  through,  and  the  others  didn't  make  it. 

Lage:    So  you  tried  in  each  district? 

Fisher:  Yes.   Irvington,  for  instance,  which  is  at  the  Five  Corners,  was  to 
be  a  plaza,  and  the  highway  would  have  bypassed  it  to  save  it;  that 
plan  didn't  pass.   In  the  mission  district,  part  of  the  plan  was 
proposed  as  a  tunnel  under  the  mission  plaza,  and  the  local  people 
such  as  the  Weeds  and  some  of  the  mission  people  who  were  in 
opposition  to  the  Mission  Chamber — I  don't  know  why  to  this  day — but 
they  opposed  it.   The  mission  district  went  through  a  whole  series 
of  hopeful  proposals  to  save  the  plaza  area  and  make  it  a  walking 
mall  environment.   Each  one  was  fought,  and  finally  some  of  the 
elements  were  adopted,  but  the  whole  concept  (mission  district  plan) 
didn't  make  it.   Gradually  bypasses  became  less  and  less  reasonable. 
Finally,  it  just  remained  as  it  is.   We  then  fought  the  battle  of  a 
proposed  six-lane  highway,  which  would  have  wiped  out  the  historic 
mission  environment.   But  I'm  getting  off  your  subject. 


Designating  the  Patterson  House  as  a  Potential  Park,  1960s 


Lage:    Let's  focus,  then,  on  what  the  Historical  Resources  Commission  did 
about  the  Patterson  house  and  ranch. 


Fisher:  All  right.   Like  the  other  privately-owned  large  acreage  estates, 
this  was  one  of  the  obvious  ones  that  we  saw  early  on.   So  the 
result  of  having  designated  it  on  this  list  meant  that  it  was  shown 
on  the  maps,  the  general  plan,  recreational  plan,  as  a  potential  park. 

Lage:    Was  it  a  larger  area  than  the  other  ones  we're  talking  about,  or  has 
it  just  stayed  intact  longer? 

Fisher:   It  was  actually  larger  in  acreage.   The  nucleus  of  the  home  sites, 
the  two  home  sites  [the  George  Washington  Patterson  and  William 
Patterson  homes] — I  don't  remember  the  exact  figure,  but  it  was 
probably  around  a  hundred  and  twenty  acres.   So  this  started,  then, 
as  a  potential  park  on  that  list. 

Lage:    That  would  have  been  back  in  the  mid-sixties. 

Fisher:   That  would  have  been  1960s,  yes.   Early  sixties,  and  finalized  by 
its  being  put  on  the  official  map.   It  was  proposed  during  the 
development  of  the  park  system  as  a  potential  park  as  well,  not  only 
designated  historically  as  a  primary  historic  resource. 


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Lage:    At  that  early  time  was  any  contact  made  with  the  Patterson  family? 

Fisher:  During  the  early  times  in  the  sixties  and  late  fifties  I  made 
contact  with  them. 


Fisher:   Don  Patterson,  who  was  the  son  of  William  D.  Patterson,  was  actually 
in  charge  of  the  operational  ranch  and  ran  it  from  this  office  in 
the  George  Washington  mansion.   Marge  Patterson,  who  was  the 
descendant  of  Henry,  Sally  Adam's  sister,  had  been  married  in  the 
1940s  but  had  separated  and  had  lived  here  sporadically.   She  had 
two  or  three  rooms  upstairs  in  the  old  part  of  the  house.   But  the 
main  house  was  run  by  a  caretaker,  Mr.  Minges,  who  was  a  retired 
Fremont  police  officer, and  his  wife.   He  kept  up  the  grounds  and 
protected  the  house. 

Lage:    They  were  hired  by  the  family? 

Fisher:   Yes.   The  house  was  controlled  generally  by  Marge — sort  of 

indifferently  at  the  time  she  was  away — and  Sally  Adams,  legally 
at  least,  but  I  don't  think  she  came  over. 

Lage:    Was  this  while  William  Patterson  was  still  alive? 

Fisher:   No.   He  had  been  dead  for  a  number  of  years.   So  it  was  just  the 

family  that  were  scattered.   I  don't  think  they  really  got  together 
much  at  that  time.   Perhaps  later  they  have,  since  the  regional 
park  has  brought  some  of  these  people  together. 


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Fisher:   At  that  time  the  Historical  Resources  Commission  was  finished  with 
this  job,  but  it  became  obvious  that  they  had  started  something 
with  donations  and  interviews  and  a  lot  of  taking  down  of  the  history 
and  so  forth.   I  think  we  alerted  the  Recreation  Commission  and  the 
council  to  the  fact  that  a  lot  of  the  houses  were  being  lost  and  a 
lot  of  the  artifacts  were  being  lost.   We  had  come  upon  large 
caches  of  historical  documents  that  were  destroyed  just  before  we 
went  to  get  them,  after  a  pioneer  had  died  at  a  rest  home  for 
instance.   So  through  our  request,  the  council  asked  that  a  group 
be  formed  to  help  preserve  the  houses,  preserve  the  artifacts,  and 
keep  record  of,  actually,  the  city  history  and  archival  material. 
Those  that  were  named  had  shown  interest;  Maurice  Marks  had  done  a 
lot  of  taping  of  the  oral  history  of  the  city's  incorporation  as  a 
member  of  our  group.   I  can't  remember  all  the  different  names; 


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Fisher:   there  were  Mary  Lou  Ruth;  Dave  Bentham;  Mr.  Ward  Blanchart,  an 

Ohlone  College  librarian;  and  Lila  Hunt,  our  secretary,  who  was 
the  head  of  the  history  section  of  the  Washington  Township  Woman's 
Club. 

They  asked  me  to  organize  it,  and  they  sent  letters  to  five  or 
six  people  that  had  shown  interest  at  the  council  meetings.   The 
historic  resources  group — society,  or  whatever,  we  didn't  really 
have  a  name  at  that  time  other  than  the  Fremont  Historic  Resources 
Commission — was  formed.   This  was  in  1971.   It  was  later  realized  by 
the  group  that  it  wasn't  only  Fremont,  but  Washington  Township,  that 
had  to  be  studied  and  the  records  kept,  because  Newark  and  Union  City 
and  Fremont  areas  all  overlapped  in  the  original  history.   So  it  was 
broadened  to  include  the  tri-city  area,  and  it  became,  eventually, 
within  the  first  six  months,  I  suppose,  known  as  Mission  Peak 
Heritage  Foundation.   We  tried  not  to  interfere  with  the  name  of  the 
other  groups. 

The  original  plan  was  simply  a  consortium  of  interested  groups. 
It  had  representatives  from  libraries,  from  colleges,  from  the 
historical  societies,  from  schools.   There  were  representatives  from 
each  one  of  these  sources  forming  this  new  group,  all  of  which  had 
the  same  purpose  of  saving  artifacts  and  preserving  houses  and  keeping 
the  history  and  publicizing  the  history. 

Lage:    It  wasn't  public  in  any  way?   It  was  a  private  foundation? 

Fisher:   Well,  we  used  good  judgment,  I  now  know.   Originally,  there  was  a 

suggestion  that  it  might  be  a  group  appointed  to  by  the  city.   We  saw 
trouble  ahead  with  that  politically  and  later  found  out  this  to  be 
true  on  the  Ardenwood  project.   So  we  remained  completely  autonomous 
as  a  private  group  and  formed  a  non-profit  corporation  and  kept  it 
that  way.   I'm  glad  we  did. 

The  same  people  that  had  been  interested  in  the  historic 
resources  went  on  with  their  interest  here  and  were  instrumental  In 
babysitting  houses  like  the  Harvey  House  and  cabin.   When  the  devel 
oper  bought  it,  we  were  able  to  put  caretakers  in  there  and  were  able 
to  keep  it  going  until  it  became  dedicated  as  an  historic  park. 

Lage:    Did  you  have  a  role  working  with  the  developers? 

Fisher:   Yes.   In  this  particular  case,  that's  how  we  became  friendly  with 

Jack  Brooks  of  the  Singer  organization.   Brooks  himself  was  a  person 
who  recognized  these  values  and  helped  us.   They  paid  for  a  fence  to 
be  put  around  Harvey  House,  and  they  tried  to  save  the  barn  for  us. 
They  cooperated. 


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Brooks  was  the  developer  in  that  area? 

He  was  the  developer  and  understood  that  it  was  important  to  try  and 
get  these  places  into  the  ownership  of  the  city  as  parks,  and  he  was 
very  cooperative  in  that. 

When  it  came  time  to  do  the  same  here  at  Ardenwood — he  had  bought, 

1  think  four  hundred  acres  here,  including  the  house — by  then  he 
knew  us,  and  we  had  a  pretty  good  rapport.   He  drew  his  plans  incor 
porating  the  saving  of  the  house  with  a  very  small  area,  about  six 
acres  around  the  immediate  house.   Then  he  made  linear  parks  throughout 
the  development  which  would  keep  some  of  the  planted  areas.   So  that 
totaled  about  forty  acres. 

Do  we  have  enough  of  a  picture  of  the  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation? 
One  thing — just  to  be  blunt  about  it — was  this  an  organization  that 
had  a  -lot  of  active  workers?  Or  did  you  end  up  doing  most  of  it? 

No.   At  the  beginning  we  had  a  lot  of  passionately  involved,  concerned 
people  who  were  willing  to  fight  the  battle,  and  a  lot  of  us  burned 
out  later  maybe,  but  originally  we  had  to  be  at  the  council  until 

2  a.m.  to  fight  the  attorneys  and  the  developers  to  save  these  places. 
It  meant  dirty  fingernails,  work  on  restoration,  and  getting  out 
there  and  actually  taking  down  a  barn  and  saving  it,  and  doing  the 
nitty-gritty. 

So  you  did  a  lot  of  varied  work,  political  things,  restoration — 

Political,  lobbying,  restoration,  a  lot  of  collecting  and  chasing 
down  of  archival  stuff,  a  lot  of  research. 

Did  you  have  a  site,  a  library? 

No.   We  met  at  various  places.   We  met  at  St.  Mary's  of  the  Palms 
for  a  while;  we  met  at  the  library.  We  didn't  have  any  headquarters. 
We  eventually  were  recognized  by  council  resolution  as  being  the 
official  historical  organization  by  Fremont,  Newark,  and  Union  City. 
That  helped  us,  because  we  were  able  to  get  given  to  us, for  a  dollar 
a  year,  the  storage  area  at   the  Fremont  city  corporation  yard,  and 
we  began  to  collect  and  protect  this  material.   For  instance,  at 
Patterson  there  was  a  beautiful  doctor's  buggy  that  we  rescued;  it 
was  being  ruined  in  the  garage.   And  a  lot  of  the  furniture  that  was 
donated.   So,  yes,  there  were  a  lot  of  people  that  were  doing  active 
work,  very  dedicated  people. 


Lage: 


Would  you  mention  two  or  three  of  the  places  that  you  restored? 
mentioned  the  Harvey  House. 


You 


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Fisher:   Well,  at  that  time,  of  course,  a  lot  of  these  came  up  quickly  because 
of  the  tremendous  urgency  to  get  housing  in  here.   It  was  at  a  time 
when  there  were  single  family  tracts  developing,  and  then  suddenly 
it  burgeoned  into  apartment  complexes  and  took  more  of  the  land.   So 
I  could  mention  a  few,  Dusterberry  House  which  is  on  Central  Avenue, 
the  Hawes  House  which  is  in  Centerville,  the  Salz  House  in  Centerville. 
These  places  we  fought  and  lost.   There  were  the  four  Walton  Avenue 
houses,  where  there  was  a  street  that  was  abandoned  from  the  central 
old  district  of  Centerville.   The  city  actually  owned  those  buildings, 
and  we  fought  to  have  the  city  keep  them.   This  was  at  the  time  where 
we  were  beginning  to  get  other  priorities  from  the  council  that 
weren't  favorable  for  preservation.   The  city  actually  knocked  down 
three  of  these  buildings  themselves.   Others  saved  the  J.J.  Vallejo 
adobe,  Bunting  House,  and  Chadbourne  carriage  house. 


The  Freitas-Bunting  Estate  on  Thornton  Avenue  had  a  series  of 
"unfortunate"  fires  and  "errors"  in  tree  demolition.   Of  course,  in 
the  meantime  the  Galindo-Higuera  adobe  was  endangered.   Before  the 
Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  was  formed,  the  Historical  Resources 
Commission  got  a  group  of  volunteers  including  city  workers,  PG&E, 
and  telephone  company  to  put  up  a  false  roof  over  the  Higuera  adobe 
by  putting  up  telephone  poles  around  it.   For  about  four  years 
successively  we  did  that  to  save  it  because  it  was  in  private  owner 
ship.   Developers  kept  starting  to  buy  the  property  and  then  they 
would  go  broke  or  something,  and  the  owner  didn't  care.   So  we 
saved  it. 

Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  proposed  and  coordinated  the 
restoration  of  the  Shinn  House  on  a  four-acre  historical  park  and 
continues  to  open  it  to  the  public.   The  list  goes  on.   The  Mission 
San  Jose,  in  the  meantime,  of  course,  had  a  restoration  committee 
we  had  formed.   God,  I  don't  know  how  we  did  all  these  committees! 

Lage:     [laughter]   Think  of  all  the  meetings  you  had. 


Fisher: 


Lage: 


Fisher: 


I  was  on  HARB,  I  was  the  chairman  of  HARB,  the  recreation  commission, 
Mission  San  Jose  Chamber. 


Were  you  still  practicing  all  this  time? 
physician? 


You  were  still  an  active 


Yes,  I  continued  my  practice.   Also,  the  Committee  for  the 
"Restoration  of  the  Mission  San  Jose"  was  formed  about  that  time, 
and  we  started  a  campaign  to  raise  funds  to  restore  that.   Somewhat 
later  the  SPCRR  [Society  for  the  Preservation  of  Carter  Railroad 
Resource],  which  is  the  South  Pacific  Coast  Railroad  Organization 
(local  narrow  gauge  railroad  company  which  started  the  town  of 
Newark),  became  a  subsidiary,  sort  of,  of  the  Mission  Peak  Heritage 
Foundation.   Bruce  MacGregor,  the  author,  had  found  an  original 
railroad  car  that  was  built  by  Carter  Brothers  in  Newark.   The 


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Fisher:  Mission  Peak-  Heritage  Foundation  bought  it  and  had  to  leave  it  at 
its  site  in  a  distant  desert  town.   So  the  SPCRR  organization  was 
started  to  bring  the  car  back  and  restore  it  and  publicize  Newark's 
history. 

Lage :    This  isn't  the  car  in  use  now  at  Ardenwood,  is  it? 

Fisher:  No,  but  the  original  car  is  back  on  the  grounds.   They've  drawn  up 

plans  from  it  and  will  make  a  reproduction.   At  any  rate,  the  historic 
horse-drawn  railroad  originally  proposed  by  MPHF  for  Ardenwood  is 
included  in  the  park.  Did  you  want  to  know  more  about  Mission  Peak? 

Lage:    No,  I  think  that  gives  us  a  good  picture  of  what  Mission  Peak's  other 
interests  were  and  how  it  got  started. 


Left:   Entry  hall  of  restored 
G.  W.  Patterson  house 

Photo  by  Larry  Milnes 


Below:   Ardenwood  grounds  and 
G.  W.  Patterson  house,  1968 

Photo  by  Robert  Fisher,  M.  D. 


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II   PRESERVATION  OF  THE  PATTERSON  MANSION  AND  CREATION  OF 
ARDENWOOD  PARK,  1971-1981 


The  Patterson  Family,  Singer  Housing,  and  the  Preservationists 


Fisher:   Getting  down  specifically  to  Ardenwood,  at  that  time  there  was  a 
lot  of  instability.   There  was  a  chance  that  this  place  would  be 
lost.   First,  the  burning  of  the  William  Patterson  home  in  1962  had 
scared  us  to  death  because  we  recognized  that  the  family  had  carried 
out  the  commitment  made  by  the  will  in  destroying  the  other  William 
Patterson  home.   But  they  also  had  a  lack  of  interest  in  saving  this 
building  [George  Washington  Patterson  mansion] . 

Lage:    Was  there  any  indication  of  why  it  was  stipulated  in  William 

Patterson's  will  that  the  house  would  be  burned  if  the  family  didn't 
live  in  it? 

Fisher:   It  was  explained  to  me  that  they  felt  that  it  was  a  personal  house 

and  that  it  should  always  be  in  the  family.   It  was  written  in  a  way 
that  if  none  of  the  family  came  back  to  actually  live  in  it,  then 
it  would  be  destroyed. 

Lage:    It  sounds  almost  as  if  he  saw  the  possibility  that  it  might  become 
a  historical  site  or  have  another  use,  a  public  use.   Is  that  a 
possibility? 

Fisher:   I  don't  honestly  know.   I've  never  been  able  to  explain  that.  While 
there  wasn't  a  direct  statement  by  the  family  that  they  would 
destroy  this  home,  there  was  the  sort  of  intimation  that  the  same 
thing  should  happen  here.   If  they  couldn't  use  it  and  have  it  in 
the  family,  then  it  should  be  wiped  out.   No  one  else  should — 

Lage:    I  want  to  say  here  that  we're  in  the  George  Washington  Patterson 
house  now.   So  when  we  say  "here"  that's  what  we're  talking  about. 


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Fisher: 


Lage: 


Fisher: 


Lage: 
Fisher : 


Here,  right.   So  let's  say  either  a  lack  of  interest,  other  activities 
that  they  were  doing  or,  perhaps, pressure  by  other  members  of  family, 
I  don't  know.   At  any  rate  there  was  the  state  of  flux  that  was 
dangerous  to  saving  the  house.   There  was  controversy  as  far  as  the 
development  around  it .   There  was  controversy  between  Newark  and 
Fremont  as  to  boundaries.   The  developer  [Singer  Housing  Company] 
had  bought,  I  believe,  the  four  hundred  acres  of  the  3,000-acre 
Patterson  Ranch,  including  the  house,  in  1971. 

There  was  also  the  negotiation  between  the  city  and  the  developer, 
in  which  the  saving  of  the  home  and  creation  of  the  park  figured 
heavily.  You  were  aware  of  all  that? 

Yes,  but  it  takes  time  to  do  that.   In  the  negotiation  we  knew  that 
things  were  cooking.   The  caretakers  were  changing  over,  the  Mingeses 
brought  in  the  Hathhorns ,  who  were  their  in-laws .   It  was  obvious 
that  this  place  might  be  lost. 

I  have  a  letter  here  that  I  wrote  to  Mrs.  [John]  Adams  in,  I 
think  it  was  as  early  as  '71,  I  believe,  asking  permission  to 
inventory  the  house  and  the  attic.   We  knew  that  the  attic  was  filled 
with  stuff,  and  the  garages  and  so  forth.   The  house  itself  still 
contained  some  of  the  original  furniture,  as  well  as  artifacts. 

So  after  some  delay  she  granted  us  the  privilege  of  coming  in, 
sorting  over  the  stuff,  copying  photographs,  and  whatnot.   And 
taking  pictures  of  the  interior  so  we  would  have  a  record,  inven 
torying  the  furniture,  listing  it.   So  that  we  would  know  what  was 
there  because,  again,  there  was  danger  of  pieces  going  out  and  being 
separated. 

We  found  the  attic  to  be  a  shambles.   The  roof  was  leaking,  the 
bees  were  destroying  the  paper  material,  and  there  were  rats.   It 
was  really  in  dangerous  condition,  so  we  got  permission  to  remove 
the  delicate  stuff,  the  documents  and  photographs  and  things,  to  the 
city  corporation  yard.   (By  then  we  had  an  official  storage  area  in 
the  corporation  yard.)  We  suggested  that  she  start  thinking  about 
the  furniture.  We  did  get  that  permission  and  moved  the  business 
records  and  photographs  for  safe  keeping.   It  took  about  another 
several  letters  and  communication  back  and  forth,  and  then  around 
1973  she  agreed  that  the  stuff  should  be  kept  together.  We  got  the 
final  donation  officially  signed  in  '74. 


This  was  after  the  house  had  been  sold? 

Yes,  this  was  after  the  house  was  sold, 
by  her. 


It  then  was  not  even  owned 


Lage:    But  the  furniture  wasn't  sold  along  with  it,  was  it? 


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Fisher:  Yes.   Sure.   The  whole  thing  was  sold.   Brooks  [and  Singer  Housing] 
could  have  taken  all  the  furniture.   They  owned  the  house. 

Lage:    You  think  when  they  bought  the  house,  they  also  got  everything  in  it. 

Fisher:   Sure.   There  was  no  separate  agreement.   Except  for  what  we  had  set 
aside.   That  was,  of  course,  the  reason  we  did  it.   So  fortunately, 
it  was  set  aside,  and  it  was  donated  to  Mission  Peak,  and  so  Brooks 
recognized  by  letters  that  it  belonged  to  the  Mission  Peak  Heritage 
Foundation.   Archival  material  was  moved  to  storage.   The  more 
important  furniture  pieces — the  bedroom,  living  room,  and  so  forth — 
was  moved  to  Shinn  House,  which  by  that  time  had  been  restored  by 
Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation.   It  was  used  over  there.   So  the 
main  pieces  were  saved  and  kept  together;  the  other  pieces  were  kept 
here  at  the  Patterson  House.   Some  of  it  got  lost  in  the  shuffle. 
Relatives  had  come  in  and  removed  it.   Some  of  the  caretakers  had, 
supposedly,  been  given  pieces,  which  we  couldn't  prove  to  the 
contrary.   At  any  rate,  basically  most  of  the  material  was  saved, 
with  Brooks 's  cooperation. 

Lage:    Was  there  some  controversy  involving  that,  with  Sally  Adams? 

Fisher:   Only  later.   So,  the  only  controversy  was  later,  I  guess  two  or 

three  years  ago,  with  the  other  historical  organization,  the  Washington 
Township  Historical  Society,  which  has  always  been  on  our  necks.   This 
is  during  the  time  that  they  were  sort  of  influential  with  the  council 
members.   There  was  a  majority  of  three  on  the  council  that  were 
political  buddies  with  this  group.   The  Weeds — and  several  people  in 
that  category — stirred  up  things  about  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Founda 
tion's  use  of  the  corporation  yard,  the  fact  that  our  organization 
had  that  and  was  the  officially  designated  historical  organization.   They 
stirred  up  the  question  of  whether  or  not  this  was  the  same  organization 
that  had  been  given  the  corporation  yard  [laughter]   because  our  name 
was  in  the  process  of  being  changed  (during  its  formation) .   They 
stirred  up  the  ownership  of  the  Patterson  family  furniture  and 
artifacts,  all  of  which  was  thoroughly  documented  in  all  the  records. 
But  it  took  about  two  or  three  months  of  my  time  to  go  through  step 
by  step,  show  all  the  documentation,  and  prove  it  because  the  city 
staff  were  put  on  the  spot  and  the  question  was  raised  with  the  city 
staff  and  it  had  to  be  proven.   It  was  proven.   But  it  just  took 
energy  and  time,  and  I  could  have  been  doing  other  things. 

So,  no,  it  was  never  controversial  originally.   The  family 
thoroughly  understood.   But  the  recent  letter  written  in  response  to 
the  Weeds  was  written  to  Sally  Adams  from  the  staff  in  such  a  way  that 
it  said,  "The  furniture  is  yours;  please  sign  if  you  agree."  She 
probably  had  lost,  by  then,  the  original  donation  slips.  We  had  to 
show  her  again.   Everyone  knows  the  facts  now,  have  from  the  beginning. 
At  any  rate,  what  the  hell's  the  difference?  They're  back  here  and 
they're  where  they're  supposed  to  be — safe  and  together. 


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Lage:    So  the  things  that  were  in  the  Shinn  House  have  now  been  moved  back 
to  Ardenwood? 

Fisher:   That  was  the  original  idea,  of  course,  to  keep  it  together  until 

things  had  settled  down,  and  the  house  had  an  ownership.   Finally, 
when  the  city  did  own  it,  then  it  became  obvious  that  it  would  be 
saved.  When  the  restoration  took  place,  it  was  brought  back  to 
Ardenwood.   And  we  had  to  replace  these  pieces  at  Shinn  House. 

Lage:    Then  you  had  to  find  something  for  the  Shinn  House? 
Fisher:   Yes.   [laughter] 

Lage:    Is  there  more  to  say  about  working  with  Jack  Brooks  on  the  particular 
site? 

Fisher:   He  is  an  extremely  intelligent  and  creative  developer.   He  is 

certainly  a  power  in  the  city  of  Fremont  and  owns  a  good  share  of 
land  and  was  always  on  the  side  of  the  developer.   In  the  council, 
I  would  say,  cleverly  and  intelligently  and  properly,  as  a  developer 
he  supported  all  sides.   He  contributed  money  to  all  the  campaigns, 
so  no  matter  who  was  in  power  in  the  council  he  was  a  backer. 

Lage:    He  wasn't  identified  with  just  one  faction? 

Fisher:   He  wasn't,  as  some  of  the  others  were.   So  he  has  diplomatically 
wielded  his  power  as  a  heavy  developer  in  the  area,  I  think.   But 
at  the  same  time  he's  been  a  gentleman  and  has  shown  understanding 
for  the  cultural  things  and  supported  the  cultural  activities  of  the 
area.   He  doesn't  suck  all  the  land  dry.   That's  my  impression.   I've 
seen  him  in  action  over  a  period  of  years.   So  when  it  came  to  a 
cultural  activity  in  an  area,  he  was  cooperative. 


Lawsuits  and  Negotiations: 
Ardenwood 


Background  to  the  Establishment  of 


Lage:    There  was  quite  a  controversy  about  this  development,  the  surrounding 
development  here.   It  seemed  to  go  on  for  several  years  and  involved 
lawsuits. 

Fisher:   That  was  part  of  the  instability  that  worried  us.   Basically  the 
problem  was — and  this  is  oversimplifying  somewhat — that  fact  that 
development  was  outstripping  the  facilities  to  support  it.   In  the 
North  Gate  area  schools  had  not  been  developed;  there  would  need  to 
be,  suddenly,  schools  built  to  support  the  large  area  of  housing  that 
was  to  be  built  on  the  only  remaining  flat  land.   The  water  department, 
sanitary  district,  fire  department,  all  these  had  just  simply  not 
caught  up  with  that. 


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Lage:    In  this  northern  plains  area? 

Fisher:   In  the  "North  Gate,"  or  north  plain,  area.   The  cities  recognized 

this;  it  was  really  part  of  Fremont,  the  whole  strip  that  goes  down 
to  the  Dumbarton  Bridge.   So  Fremont  actually  put  a  hold  on  all 
development  in  this  area. 

Lage:    After  Jack  Brooks  and  Singer  had  purchased  it? 

Fisher:   After  Jack  had  bought  this.   As  a  result,  it  stopped  his  development 
cold,  and  my  memory  is  that  he  was  bringing  suit  against  the  city  to 
release  that.   Everyone  recognized  the  facts  and  knew  that  this  was 
what  was  happening,  that  development  was  outstripping  facilities  in 
this  area.   Part  of  the  settlement  between  Brooks  and  the  city  of 
Fremont,  as  I  understand  it,  was  that  the  city  would  buy  the  Patterson 
house  nucleus  for  a  park,  that  Jack  would  withdraw  his  suit  as  one  of 
the  leverages,  and  the  development  of  the  other  parts  of  Brooks 's  land 
would  be  able  to  proceed. 

At  the  same  time,  the  ownership  of  the  potential  park  area  was 
still  mixed.   In  the  first  place,  the  strip  of  ranch  land  parallel 
to  the  new  Dumbarton  freeway — maybe,  oh,  a  thousand  feet  wide  at  one 
point,  then  narrowing  down  to  three  or  four  hundred  feet — was  part 

of  Newark. 


Lage:    Do  you  know  anything  about  why,  during  incorporation,  the  Patterson 
Ranch  got  split  like  that?   Is  there  a  story  behind  that? 

Fisher:   I  don't  know.   I  think  it  used  the  natural  boundaries.   Somehow 

Fremont  got  a  corridor  of  land  down  to  the  point  which  was  to  be  the 
Coyote  Hills  recreation  center  at  the  slough.   The  same  thing  has 
happened  up  in  the  Niles  area;  there,  part  of  Union  City  is  up  in  the 
Niles  Canyon  hills.   That's  probably  to  do  with  the  political  voting 
areas,  also.   Because  it  was  voted  in,  in  opposition  to  annexation  by 
Hayward. 

The  dividing  line  between  Newark  and  Fremont  was  through  the 
south  portion  of  the  Patterson  property,  on  the  Patterson  side  of 
Jarvis  Road.   There's  always  been  a  hassle  between  Newark  and  Fremont, 
but  the  Dumbarton  freeway  was  the  straw  that  broke  the  camel's  back. 
Putting  in  the  freeway  changed  the  line,  because  it  was  coming  right 
across  the  dividing  line,  really  right  parallel  to  it.   It  isolated 
Newark  from  this  park  which  by  that  time  was  being  considered  as  a 
tri-city  regional  area. 

Newark  felt  a  need  to  be  included  in  the  freeway  access  and 
wasn't.   So  they  fought  for  the  Lake  Avenue  overpass.   Although  it 
went  nowhere  [laughter],  it  did  give  an  access  to  the  park,  for  one 
thing,  but,  of  course,  there  was  access  also  at  Newark  Boulevard. 
That  was  one  of  the  controversies. 


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Fisher:  The  family  itself  had  divided  up  the  property  so  that  it  wasn't 
all  in  one  ownership.  I'm  not  sure  of  the  details,  except  that, 
eventually,  a  corporate  unit  of  all  member  of  family  was  formed.* 

ff 

Fisher:   During  the  state  of  flux  with  the  cities,  there  was  also  reorganiza 
tion,  as  I  understand,  in  ownership  of  the  three  thousand  acres  that 
was  remaining  of  the  Patterson  property.  They  had  been  given, 
apparently,  by  the  various  wills,  to  various  groups  of  the  family. 
Marge,  as  I  remember,  had  something  like  forty  acres.   Don  owned 
some.  The  Adams  owned  part,  and  I  think  there  were  even  smaller 
chunks.   So  at  the  time  that  the  city  was  interested,  I  think  it 
was  160  acres  that  actually  could  be  bought  directly  from  Brooks. 
The  rest  of  it  had  to  be  negotiated  with  the  different  groups  of 
family  members  to  coordinate  it  and  develop  a  200-acre  park. 

Lage:    And  eventually  there  was  a  trade  of  lands  between  Newark  and  Fremont 
also . 

Fisher:  Apparently  there  was  eventually  a  settlement  of  the  suit  by  Brooks, 
so  that  the  city  was  able  to  buy  a  consolidated  piece  of  property 
through  negotiations  with  the  family  group  itself,  as  well  as  the 
Singer  outfit.   Brooks,  by  that  time,  I  think  had  been  coordinating 
with  the  family  and  had  become  a  financial  adviser,  or  at  least 
part  of  the  corporate  entity.   So  they  worked  it  out  together. 

I  think  there  was  a  moratorium  of  about  two  or  three  years  on 
the  housing  development.   When  it  finally  did  open  up,  then  Brooks 
went  ahead  with  his  development  toward  the  Coyote  Hills  and  the 
North  Gate  area.   The  land  that  is  now  Ardenwood  Park  was  bought 
by  the  city. 


Developing  a  Proposal  for  a  Multipurpose  Historical  Park 


Fisher:   Do  you  want  to  get  into  the  regional  park  aspect? 

Lage:    Yes,  I  thought  that  would  be  the  next  topic  to  cover.   How  did  the 
East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  [EBRPD]  become  involved? 

Fisher:   The  regional  park  district,  which  had  been  buying  up  large  tracts 
of  land  for  the  future — not  for  immediate  use  but  realizing  that 
it  had  to  be  kept  open  ground — was  in  the  process  of,  each  year, 
sizing  up  the  potential  park  sites,  usually  large  properties  on  the 
ridges  and  so  forth.   In  1970,  or  '71,  because  they  had  become  owners 


*See  interviews  with  Leon  Campbell,  Robert  Buck,  and  Jack  Brooks 
in  this  series. 


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Fisher:   of  Gar in  Regional  Park  and  a  couple  of  others  that  were  really 

oriented  toward  historical  parks,  old  farms,  old  ranches,  and  so 
forth,  they  proposed  a  new  category,  which  was  to  be  Historic 
Regional  Parks.   At  that  time,  they  sent  around  notices  to  the 
cities  and  to  the  various  historical  societies,  requesting  these 
groups  to  nominate  potential  park  sites  that  might  fall  into  this 
category.  The  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  received  one  of 
these  notices  and  studied  it,  and  I  think  suggested  five  possibilities, 
including  the  Niles  Canyon,  Higuero  adobe,  Morrisson  Canyon,  Patterson 
Ranch,  and  Hidden  Valley  area  in  Warm  Springs. 

Lage:    Did  you  look  favorably  on  the  thought  of  having  the  regional  park 
district  take  over  some  of  these  instead  of  the  city? 

Fisher:   Yes.   Because  they  had  proved  themselves  to  be  really  creative,  and 
it  was  publicly  supported,  tax  supported,  and  it  took  it  out  of  the 
local  hassle  for  development.   So  it  sounded  like  a  great  idea, 
especially  since  this  particular  park  was  our  prime  one,  of  course, 
that  we  were  really  pushing  to  be  saved  and  developed.   It's  like 
making  a  budget ,  you  put  in  a  lot  of  things  that  you  know  might  not 
make  it,  but  you  hope  to  get  at  least  the  important  ones. 

From  the  very  beginning  it  was  obvious  that  this  was  really  the 
nucleus  of  a  historical  park,  because  it  had  everything  going  for  it. 
It  was  the  remnant  of  a  ranch  and  family  mansion  with  its  old  farm 
buildings  and  old  equipment.   It  was  the  nucleus  of  the  "Rancho 
Potrero  de  los  Cerritos,"  the  grant  which  was  Alviso's  Mexican 
rancho,  formerly  the  old  pasture  of  the  mission.   It  had  all  these 
important  things  surrounding  it  immediately  and  associating  with 
it:   the  salt  industry,  the  narrow  gauge  railroad,  the  town  of 
Newark,  the  town  of  Union  City — site  of  the  1853  Alameda  County 
seat  of  government — all  within  a  mile.   And  the  ranch  had  remained 
intact — three  thousand  acres. 

Lage:    And  the  Indian  connection. 

Fisher:   Yes,  the  Ohlone  Indian  history,  at  the  Coyote  Hills  portion  of  the 
ranch, was  already  part  of  EBRPD .   So  it  had  all  these  things  going 
for  it  that  could  be  incorporated.   In  promoting  this,  we  drew  up 
a  plan  in  cooperation  with  the  city.   Larry  Milnes  [assistant  city 
manager  of  Fremont]  was  very  cooperative  and  interested.   He  was 
one  of  the  few  people  who  recognized  the  potential,  and  he  had  heard 
us  so  often  that  he  knew  where  we  were  coming  from  and  actually  was 
beginning  to  be  interested  himself,  a  lot,  in  the  history.  He  had 
done  some  work  on  the  Vallejo  adobe  with  us. 

So  the  city,  through  Larry,  actually  helped  us.   They  accepted 
our  proposal,  printed  a  map,  and  we  had  an  outline  of  a  proposal. 
Our  idea  was  a  multiphasic,  multipurpose  historic  park,  but  it  incor 
porated  all  these  aspects  of  history  and  the  various  ethnic  interpretive 
sites . 


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Lage:    So  from  the  beginning  you  had  this  broad  concept. 

Fisher:  From  the  beginning  the  whole  thing  was  a  hundred  and  sixty  acres,  I 
think,  or  a  hundred  acres,  maybe,  basic.   The  basic  concept  was  an 
old  farm,  a  Victorian  ranch.  The  periphery  was  an  area  to  show 
city  people  how  things  grow  with  relatively  modern  equipment, 
leased  out  to  farmers  and  growing  cauliflower,  and  so  forth,  as 
they  have  on  the  ranch  for  so  long.   The  central  nucleus,  hidden 
by  the  trees,  hopefully,  still,  would  show  the  original  nucleus 
of  the  ranch  using  horse-drawn  equipment.   It  would  include  a 
symbolic  horse-drawn  narrow  gauge  railroad  car  that  at  one  time 
ran  between  Centerville  and  Newark.   It  would  have  an  area  for  a 
"non-archaeological"  Ohlone  Indian  center.  (The  Patterson  mounds  at 
Coyote  Hills  are  an  archeological  site.)  At  the  ranch  would  be 
created  the  Ohlones1  own  idea  of  a  campsite  around  the  Willows, 
which  is  the  little  lake  that  remained  here  and  is  historically 
important. 

Lage:    Did  you  have  Ohlone  descendants  working  with  you  on  this? 

Fisher:   Oh,  yes.   Phil  Galvin  is  the  heir  apparent  chief.  His  grandfather 

was  the  last  chief  of  the  Ohlone.  We  brought  him  in  on  it.   Instead 
of  a  scientist  from  UC  telling  the  Ohlone  how  they  lived,  it  was  a 
chance  for  them  to  grow  their  herbs,  demonstrate  their  skills,  and 
show  their  life  as  it  really  was. 

Lage:    Had  they  retained  a  tie  to  that  life? 

Fisher:   By  oral  history;  they  had  no  written  history,  but  by  word  of  mouth, 
their  tradition  had  been  handed  down,  and  still  is,  but  they  were 
scattered. 

Lage:    They  hadn't  intermarried? 

Fisher:   Yes.   But  there  were  maybe  two  or  three  full-blooded  Ohlone.   There 
were  a  lot  of  people  like  Phil,  who  were  a  quarter  Ohlone,  a  mix 
of  the  various  tribes,  family  members.   So  this  was  a  chance  for 
their  own  interpretation. 

We  thought  that  equestrian  activities  were  important  because 
nowhere  else  in  the  area  could  you  connect  the  bridle  path  along 
the  creek  with  Coyote  Hills,  and  this  could  be  a  stopping  point. 
You  get  on  your  horse,  bring  it  here,  leave  it,  and  wander  through. 
I  would  have  to  look  up  all  the  ideas  and  plans  that  we  had. 

Lage:    You  had  the  idea  of  a  historical  town? 

Fisher:   Oh,  yes.  We  had  found  that  many  of  the  historical  houses  in  the 

area  couldn't  be  saved,  but  some  could  be  moved.   If  someone  would 
pay  for  their  removal,  they  would  be  saved.   So,  especially  Dave 


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Fisher:   Bentham  and  myself  felt  that  these  were  "historic  orphans"  that 
could  be  moved  someplace.   We  had  seen  Bakersfield  do  it  with  a 
pioneer  village  and  other  places.  At  the  cost  of  moving,  which 
was  tax-deductible,  you  could  get  the  building  saved.   The  idea 
was  to  make  a  little  village,  I  think  we  called  it  Washington  Village, 
a  little  town  of  rehab-ed  houses  that  had  been  moved.   But  not  just 
have  them  a  movie  set,  actually  have  them  functioning.   Recycled 
into  use  by  concessionaires,  or  people  that  wanted  to  make  a  print 
shop  or  a  hotel,  or  whatever.   But  private  enterprise  on  a  public- 
maintained  area.   It  had  all  the  elements  there.   It  would  have  a 
school,  a  church,  etc. 

Lage:    Now,  is  there  -land  enough  for  that? 

Fisher:   Yes.   This  was  to  be  where  the  William  Patterson  place  was,  because 
that  was  where  there  was  a  center  of  mature  trees,  there  was  a 
natural  village  green  in  the  middle  of  it.   Then  the  field  on  the 
other  side  would  be  a  place  to  put  the  railroad  activities — the 
car  barns,  and  the  shop  to  work  on  the  cars,  the  Carter  Brothers 
railroading  museum  and  restoration  shop. 

Lage:    Did  you  envision  the  historical  farming  area,  with  the  blacksmith 
and  so  on? 

Fisher:   Yes.   The  central  part  was  strictly  Victorian.   It  was  suggested 

as  only  horse-drawn.   Nobody  could  see  the  outside,  with  the  shield 
of  eucalyptus  trees,  and  you  could  maintain  the  image  of  a  Victoriar. 
place,  with  no  tractors  in  tb.*  place.   I'm  forgetting  some  of  the 
elements  that  are  on  the  list.   [See  appendix  for  Mission  Peak 
Heritage  Foundation's  proposal  for  Ardenwood.] 


Lobbying  for  East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  Involvement 


Fisher:   Anyway,  the  idea  was  there,  and  we  felt  so  strongly  that  we  gave 

tours  to  promote  this.  We  presented  it  to  the  recreation  commission, 
to  the  council,  and  really  were  pushing  for  this  new  category  of 
historical  parks.   In  the  meantime,  East  Bay  Regional  Parks  hired 
the  Overview  firm,  a  commercial  professional  group,  like  the  urban 
design  group  hired  by  the  city. 

Lage:    I  understand  it  was  Stewart  Udall's  consulting  organization. 

Fisher:   Yes,  I  believe  you're  probably  right.   At  any  rate,  they  were  hired 

by  the  regional  park  to,  I  suppose,  investigate  the  sites  and  develop 
this  possibility  of  a  historical  category.   In  the  process  they  did 
a  lot  of  investigation.   They  went  through  and  rated  the  various 
nominations,  as  to  the  land  size  and  the  property  values  and  the 
essentials.   I'm  not  quite  sure  of  this,  but  my  understanding  is 


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Fisher:   that  they  formed  a  citizens'  group,  and  Larry  Milnes  was  the  chairman 
of  the  citizens'  group,  and  it  was  from,  I  believe,  Bay  Area  people. 
Of  course,  everyone  wanted  to  get  in  on  this;  all  the  historical 
societies  in  Walnut  Creek  and  Hayward  and  so  forth  had  their  nomina 
tions  and  were  fighting  to  get  those  categories. 

The  citizens'  group  took  a  tour  of  the  main  nominations  [1973]. 
These  had  been  sort  of  narrowed  down.  We  went  as  Mission  Peak  Heritage 
Foundation  representatives.   Dave  Bentham  of  MPHF  and  I  went  with 
the  group  and  showed  them  our  nominations — Morrisson  Canyon  and 
Higuera  adobe  and  so  forth,  and  especially  Ardenwood.  We  had  one  of 
our  docents  posted  in  each  room  and  took  them  through  the  house  and 
grounds.  We  have  photos  of  that  tour. 

Lage:    How  large  a  group  did  you  take  through? 

Fisher:   Oh,  gosh,  I  don't  know,  there  must  have  been  twenty  or  thirty. 
Twenty-five,  maybe. 

Lage:    And  were  there  any  directors  of  the  district? 

Fisher:   There  were  directors.   I  remember  Mary  Jefferds  was  here;  there  were 
several  people  that  were  from  various  areas  of  the  park  district  and 
favored  their  own  area,  of  course.   We  wanted  to  have  them  see  the 
balance  of  this  place.   I  think  we  convinced  quite  a  few  just  on 
sight.,  because  .you  just  can't  overlook  this  place,  that  this  would 
be  great. 

As  a  result  of  it,  there  was  quite  a  lot  of  enthusiasm,  but 
suddenly,  I  guess,  the  historical  park  category  collapsed.   The  reason, 
as  I  understand  it,  had  to  do  with  the  actual  policies  of  East  Bay 
Regional  Park  District.   It  was  spelled  out,  and  shown  to  us  later, 
that  they, by  policy, cannot  be  responsible  for  restoration.   Obviously, 
this  involved  restoration  of  the  mansion,  and  the  barns,  etc. 

Lage:    So  their  whole  historical  category  was  abolished? 

Fisher:   Yes.   In  the  past,  I  guess  Gar in  Ranch,   for  instance,  I  believe, 
was  handled  by  other  people,  but  the  district  leased  the  park.  Now 
that  specific  category  of  historical  regional  park  was  dropped. 
The  land  and  the  potential  for  the  park  site  at  Ardenwood  was  kept 
on  the  master  plan.   Eventually  the  idea  of  a  "Historic  Preserve" — 
which  got  them  off  the  hook  on  restoration  but  still  preserved  the 
concept  of  a  historic  area — was  developed  and  went  through  the  process 
of  review  involving  the  local  citizens,  the  recreation  commissions, 
the  councils,  and  so  forth.   I  think  the  basic  concept  was  followed 
from  our  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  plan  because  it  came  out 
looking  the  same. 


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Lage:    Were  there  particular  people  in  the  park  district  staff  that  you 
worked  with  in  these  early  years  who  seemed  most  interested? 

Fisher:   I'm  not  very  good  at  this  kind  of  bigger  politics,  so  I  didn't  get 
too  involved,  but  I  made  several  presentations  when  they  came  up 
at  the  park  district  board  meetings.   I  really  don't  know  the 
players  here  very  well  because  there  were  certain  people  that  were 
not  favorable  to  the  historic  aspect  of  regional  parks,  and  some 
that  were.   I  think  I  had  better  leave  it  off  because  I'm  not  sure 
of  my  facts  on  that.   I  can't  remember  the  general  manager's  name 
at  the  time. 

Lage:    Trudeau? 

Fisher:   Richard  Trudeau.   Trudeau  was  very  favorable  and  very  cooperative 
and  liked  the  concept,  and  we  worked  closely  with  him.   And  there 
were  supporters  of  his  plans.   I  think  that,  really,  he  started  the 
idea  of  historic  preserve  and  got  it  going,  if  I'm  not  mistaken. 
Also  Howard  Cogswell. 

Lage:    They  needed  more  parks  in  southern  Alameda  County,  didn't  they,  to 
balance  the  district  with  more  parks  in  this  area? 

Fisher:   Yes,  I  think  there  had  been  a  preponderance  of  East  Bay  Regional 
Parks  in  the  northern  part  of  the  bay. 

Lage:    Contra  Costa. 

Fisher:   Contra  Costa,  and  up  in  Tilden.   Sunol  was  beginning,  but  not 

involved.   So  the  political  balance  made  it  favorable  to  now  get  in 
a  large  park  here  to  balance  the  acreage.   So  that  worked  out. 

When  the  plans  first  came  out  they  were  not  including  some  of 
the  multiphasic  or  multipurpose  elements.   They  didn't,  for  instance, 
favor  a  wilderness  area,  which  is,  to  us,  very  important.   A  deer 
park  that  had  been  here  historically  from  the  beginning  of  Ardenwood, 
and  a  primitive  area  that  was  at  the  Willows — the  old  "suzal"  or 
marsh — goes  back  to  Spanish  times;  that  is  the  area  down  here  next 
to  the  ice  house.   That  was  a  very  primitive  area;  it  was  heavily 
wooded  with  very  old  trees.   It  was  a  deer  park,  and  ecologically  it 
was  an  environment  which  we  felt  strongly  about  saving  as  a  primitive 
area,  not  manicuring  it. 

Lage:    Had  it  never  been  managed  by  the  Pattersons? 

Fisher:   It  never  had  been.   It  had  been  kept  as  a  wild  preserve  and  family 
camp  area. 

Lage:    So  it  wasn't  an  area  that  had  just  been  neglected  over  the  years. 


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Fisher:   No.   It  was  a  preserve  maintained  by  the  family  as  a  deer  park,  with 
all  the  birds  and  small  animals  that  go  with  it. 

Lage:    The  park  district  didn't  want  to  retain  that? 

Fisher:   The  park  district  saw  it  in  a  more  practical  manner,  I  suppose.   They 
saw  a  danger  to  people,  I  suppose  liability,  poison  oak,  and  fires, 
that  type  of  thing.   So  that  was  one  of  the  first  things  that  they 
eliminated  in  their  plan.   They  were  concerned,  incorrectly,  speaking 
as  a  doctor,  with  the  idea  that  people  would  get  diseases  from  deer. 
Of  course,  they're  talking  about  tick  fever  and  various  things  that 
are  endemic  to  certain  areas  only.   But  they,  I  think,  didn't  want 
to  take  responsibility  for  deer.   So  they  eliminated  that  aspect. 
They  eliminated  teaching  areas  of  wilderness,  which  was  what  we  had 
in  mind.   You  go  in  there  with  classes  and  show  them  a  real  ecological 
environment  that  was  intact.   They  eliminated  the  pioneer  village, 
but  in  place  of  it  thought  there  would  be  a  need  for  a  learning 
center,  a  horticultural,  agricultural  learning  center  that  college 
students  and  classes  could  be  invited  to,  and  stay  overnight,  and  be 
instructed.   That  was  a  good  idea. 

I  think  somewhere  along  the  line  we  started  convincing  them,  why 
not  combine  that  concept  with  the  pioneer  village.   Use  that  for  your 
teaching  center.   So  they  asked  me  to  show  them  buildings  that  might 
be  moved  here,  and  we  took — I  don't  remember  the  year — we  took  a  tour 
of  all  the  potential  ones  such  as  the  Mowry  Landing  School,  and 
Newark's  Lincoln  School,  and  some  of  the  buildings  on  Patterson  Ranch 
Road.   There  were  some  in  Irvington  and  Union  City.   We  took  them 
all  around.   Some  of  them,  at  that  time,  were  just  ripe  for  moving, 
because  they  were  going  to  be  destroyed  or  were  subject  to  loss.   So 
the  idea,  I  think,  finally  caught  hold  that  these  buildings  would  be 
moved,  and  they  would  be  restored,  and  they  could  be  recycled  to  a 
functional  use. 

Lage:    Is  this  an  idea  that's  still  current? 

Fisher:   The  idea  is  still  there,  and  somewhere  along  the  line  East  Bay 

Regional  Park  District  has  accepted  some  responsibility  in  restora 
tion  [laughter],  which  they  denied  first.   The  large  barn  has  been 
restored.   As  the  thing  moved  along,  it  was  obvious  that  the  mansion 
itself  is  in  danger  structurally.   So  we  started  a  campaign  to  get 
some  basic  structural  restoration  of  the  George  Washington  Patterson 
House,  a  Fremont  city  responsibility.  We  worked  with  the  city  to 
get  a  share  of  the  new  grants  which  were  then  being  designated  for 
each  city  toward  historic  restoration.   Part  of  that  money  was 
divided  between  a  roof  for  this  house  and  for  the  Shinn  House.   Then 
Fremont  city  and  the  corporate  entity,  I  think,  of  the  Patterson 
family  Rroup,  shared  the  cost  of  paint.   The  Patterson  House  still, 
of  course,  needs  more  structural  work,  on  the  foundation. 


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Lage:    I  don't  think  we've  got  on  the  tape  the  final  arrangement,  whereby 
the  house  itself  is  not  part  of  the  East  Bay  Park. 

Fisher:   Okay.   As  the  thing  developed,  a  management  agreement  was  developing 
in  the  LUD,  land  use  development  process,  which  is  a  preliminary 
investigation,  deciding  how  the  land  was  to  be  used,  and  what  the 
park  was  to  represent,  what  the  concepts  were.   This  involved  the 
Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  and  various  public  contributions 
toward  the  ideas.   The  preliminary  idea  was  that,  since  Mission  Peak 
had  been  involved  since  the  1960s,  they  would  continue  the  interpre 
tive  decent  program  aspect  of  the  house;  they  would  continue  the 
coordination  of  the  restoration  of  the  house  that  they  had  already 
been  sponsoring  and  fighting  for.   And  the  city  would  be  responsible 
for  the  structural  integrity  and  maintenance,  fire  protection  and 
security,  utilities,  external  maintenance  and  restoration.   The 
MPHF  would  be  responsible  for  interior  restoration  and  furnishing. 

At  that  time  there  was  a  horticultural  organization,  Saratoga 
Horticultural  Foundation,  which  made  an  offer  to  develop  a  concession 
that  would  have  taken  care  of  the  garden,  the  lawn  area,  "concourse" 
as  we  called  it  then  (which,  incidentally,  was  the  other  aspect  of 
the  original  proposal.   The  Victorian  concerts  and  art  festivals 
that  we  started  could  be  continued.)  So  this  organization  would 
develop  and  keep  up  the  grounds  and  help  in  the  teaching  and  would 
actually  grow  saleable  products,  horticultural  products — orchids, 
flowers,  plants,  etc.   They  would  lease,  I  think  it  was  twenty-five 
acres,  something  like  that,  for  this  purpose.   Mission  Peak  Heritage 
Foundation,  for  a  dollar  a  year,  would  lease  the  house  itself,  and 
run  the  interpretive  program  and  the  restoration  program.   The  East 
Bay  Regional  Park  would  be  responsible  for  the  farming  portion. 

Lage:    The  modern  farming  portion  or  the  horse-drawn  farming? 

Fisher:   The  historic  farming  as  well  as  the  modern  crop  products,  sales  from 
leased  peripheral  acreage.   This  of  course  got  into  the  confrontation 
of  things  cultural  versus  commercial.   How  do  you  run  a  two  hundred- 
acre  park  with  public  funds  and  try  and  contribute  money  for  upkeep 
from  something  that's  happening  on  the  ranch?  That's  what  prompted 
ideas  of  selling  crops  and  firewood  and  creating  a  general  store  at 
the  gate.  Later,  gate  receipts  should  be  adequate. 


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III  ARDENWOOD  MANAGEMENT:   PLANS,  POLITICS,  AND  COMMUNITY  INVOLVEMENT 


Importance  of  Citizen  Action 


Fisher:   Unfortunately,  eucalyptus  wood  sales  also  began  to  be  seen  as  a 

source  of  funds.   They  were  cut,  I  think,  for  more  than  just  liability 
problems  and  perhaps  disease  loss  of  trees. 

Lage:    You  mean,  there  was  pressure  to  log  trees  that  perhaps  weren't 
damaged? 

Fisher:   Right.   They  were  thinned  out,  and  once  they  thinned  out  they  began 
to  suffer  from  wind.   That's  my  personal  opinion.   There  were  others 
that  saw  the  thing  as  it  was  originally  with  a  thick,  dense  forest 
that  made  a  screen.   It  was  a  landmark  historically  and  protected 
the  visitor  from  intrusion  by  the  outside  world.   I  object  to  land 
mark  trees  being  harvested  commercially. 

Lage:    So  the  eucalyptus  I  see  here  are  not  as  thick  as  they  were. 

Fisher:   By  one  half  at  least.   Do  you  want  me  to  describe  the  way  that 

management  agreement  changed?   I've  been  on  the  other  end  of  this 
thing,  and  I  realize  that  there's  really  a  strong  need  for  somebody 
to  present  the  real  picture.   Because  when  you  get  into  organizations 
like  East  Bay  Regional  Park  and  Fremont  city,  a  lot  of  people  are 
covering  their  tails,  and  a  lot  of  people  are  needing  to  get  credit 
for  things  in  order  to  save  their  job  or  to  promote  their  job,  and 
history  gets  rewritten.  When  it  does  get  rewritten  it  leaves  out 
the  grass-roots  element  of  people  getting  together  and  having  an 
idea  and  going  for  it  and  fighting  the  government — fighting  the  city, 
fighting  all  these  people  to  get  it.   Then  when  you  read  the  little 
work-ups  from  regional  park,  for  instance,  or  the  city,  it  doesn't 
matter,  you  know,  it's  all  the  same  kind  of  bureaucracy.   They  tend 
to  omit  the  importance  of  citizen  commitments. 


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If 

Lage:    Well,  that's  what  we  should  be  focusing  on.   Not  to  try  to  get  the 

whole,  official  history,  but  to  fill  in,  even  if  it's  not  completely 
chronological. 

Fisher:   I  feel  so  strongly  about  this  because,  when  you  get  an  organization 
like  East  Bay  Regional  Parks  and  the  city,  you're  moving  ahead  by 
staff  very  rapidly,  and  you're  packaging  things  and  then  presenting 
them  to  citizen  commission  groups  and  say,  "Is  this  okay?"  You 
bypass  the  citizens'  input,  unless  it's  slowed  down  and  at  the 
meetings  you  bring  up  their  ideas,  incorporate  them.   In  the  case 
of  this  park,  a  lot  of  people  got  bypassed.   From  Union  City  especially, 
and  Newark;  Fremont  did  have  its  input  a  great  deal — largely  because 
of  what  we  [MPHF]  were  doing,  because  we  were  so  involved  originally 
that  we  got  other  people  involved. 

Here's  a  for  instance  of  actual  history  being  rewritten  by 
East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  staff.   I  think  it  should  be  noted 
that,  say,  when  there  was  an  interview  on  TV  with  one  of  the  staff, 
Dave  Lewton,  who  says,  "I  came  through  and  saw  food  on  the  table, 
a  deserted  place,  and  moved  in."  No  way.   This  place  had  been 
babysat  for  ten  or  twelve  years  by  MPHF  members.   As  a  matter  of 
fact,  what  happened  was  that  the  caretakers  had  left  in  a  huff 
because  the  city  had  failed  to  grant  them  a  right  to  keep  a  trailer 
on  the  park.   (When  they  went  on  vacation  they  wanted  their  in-laws 
to  be  able  to  stay  and  protect  the  place.)  MPHF  wrote  a  letter 
trying  to  help  them  to  get  that  as  a  temporary  measure.   The  city 
refused  it,  and  they  left.   They  left  the  house  unattended.  We 
found  out  about  it  two  weeks  later  and  came  over  and  got  our  camper 
over  there  and  stayed  here  for  some  weeks  until  Dave  Lewton  moved  in 
as  caretaker  for  the  regional  park.   The  city  allowed  him  to  stay 
here.   But  for  that  interval  MPHF  members  were  watching  this  place. 

Lage:    When  was  this  date? 

Fisher:   This  was  about  '79  or  '80.   I  would  have  to  confirm  the  date. 

Lage:    Just  prior  to  East  Bay  taking  it  over. 

Fisher:   Yes,  it  was  actually  before  they  had  signed  the  papers,  I  think, 

and  were  in  the  process  of  negotiations.   The  caretakers  (Hathorns) 
had  left,  and  EBRPD-Fremont  got  Dave  Lewton  to  bring  his  family  here 
and  be  the  caretakers  until  things  had  been  settled.   But  there  was 
an  interval  in  between  where  we  were  still,  as  we  had  been  for  years, 
watching,  protecting  the  house  and  furnishings. 

Lage:    Were  the  caretakers  paid  by  the  city  by  this  time? 

Fisher:   No,  the  Minges  and  subsequently  the  Hathorns  were  not  paid.   It  was 
not  a  very  good  arrangement  for  the  caretakers,  except  you  lived 
rent-free  in  a  beautiful  house,  and  they  had  Christmas  and  weddings 


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Fisher:   and  so  forth  here.   My  memory  was  that  the  Ha thorns  had  to  pay  for 
the  utilities,  and  they  didn't  like  that  because  they  had  to  keep 
the  grounds  flooded  with  lights.   The  water  was  free  because  they 
had  the  well.   But  they  earned  their  keep  protecting  the  house  and 
kept  up  the  grounds  very  well.   A  lot  of  work.   Later,  of  course, 
Dave  Lewton  was  employed  by  EBRPD  but  lived  there  rent-free.   It 
wasn't  a  congenial  thing;  when  the  city  took  over,  the  caretakers 
were  pretty  unhappy  because  they  really  weren't  getting  a  fair 
shake,  I  think,  for  the  amount  of  work  involved. 

I  bring  that  up  as  an  example  of  rewritten  history.  When  you 
read  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park's  summary  of  the  history  of  Arden- 
wood — there  is  no  mention  of  prior  MPHF  and  citizen  involvement. 

Lage:    It's  manicured. 
Fisher:   It's  manicured,  yes. 


The  Washington  Township  Historical  Society  Steps  In 


Lage:    We  were  talking  about  the  development  of  the  management  plan. 

Fisher:   The  plan  was  perhaps  in  the  first  draft.   Everyone  had  had  meetings, 
and  the  principals  had  met,  MPHF  had  met  with  them,  the  horticultural 
group,  and  the  city,  and  East  Bay  Regional  Parks.   It  was  pretty 
well  thrashed  out.   Trudeau  was  pretty  much  on  top  of  it,  and  Milnes 
was  really  negotiating  the  city  part  of  it  and  doing  a  good  job. 
It  was  pretty  settled.   Everybody  agreed.   Suddenly  the  Washington 
Township  Historical  Society  [WTHS[  and  politics  jumped  in.   I  don't 
remember  whether  perhaps  this  was  an  election  coming  up  or  something 
that  stirred  up  the  controversy,  but  the  end  result  was  that  the 
other  group  [WTHS]  complained  that  they  were  not  being  involved  with 
Ardenwood.  Well,  frankly,  they  had  not  even  been  on  the  place  and 
weren ' t  involved . 

Lage;    Had  that  organization  become  more  active? 

Fisher:   Yes,  in  the  meantime  they  had  built  up  their  membership,  and  there 
was  no  controversy  other  than  the  principals  involved — the  Weeds, 
who  were  in  control  of  it.   There  was  no  controversy  between  the 
organizations;  we  had  members  in  both  organizations.   People  liked 
to  go  to  both  meetings.   They  were  entirely  different  kinds  of 
groups.   They  were  the  group  that  had  maintained  sort  of  a  silver- 
service  tea  approach.   They  gave  programs.   We  [MPHF]  were  the  dirty 
fingernails,  and  fight-' em-at-council  meeting,  running  Shinn  House 
with  docents,  and  things  like  that. 


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Lage:    Were  they  more  pioneer  family-oriented? 

Fisher:   Originally  in  the  forties  and  fifties,  but  by  that  time  there 

weren't  that  many  pioneer  family  members  left.   They  had  originated 
the  Washington  Township  Historical  Society,  and  as  I  said,  I  was 
director  when  there  were  some  of  the  older  people  of  the  original 
group  still  involved.   They  were  started  by  the  Washington  Township 
Country  Club,  which  is  a  women's  club.   It  was  the  women's  club 
which  wrote  the  History  of  Washington  Township,  in  spite  of  the 
fact  that  the  historical  society  claimed  to  have  written  it.*  At 
any  rate,  I  don't  want  to  get  into  controversy  because  it's  strictly 
a  personal  thing  between  the  Weeds  and  myself.   Apparently,  they 
resented  the  fact  that  we  started  a  new  group  at  the  request  of  the 
council,  in  spite  of  the  fact  that  they  were  there  at  our  invitation 
at  MPHF's  beginning.   Now  they  wanted  to  be  in  on  Ardenwood  in  spite 
of  the  fact  that  there  had  been  no  previous  involvement  or  concern. 
MPHF  had  protected  it,  given  tours,  held  annual  art  festivals,  and 
initiated  park  plans. 

So  this  began  to  get  sticky  as  far  as  the  council  was  concerned, 
because  the  council  was  dominated  by  the  same  group  of  political 
backers.   So  it  was  obvious  that  something  had  to  change,  and  rather 
than  lose  the  momentum  that  we  had,  I  asked  that  a  meeting  be  called 
of  our  two  groups.   We  met,  and  I  presented  a  compromise  that 
basically  became  a  mixed  advisory  board — instead  of  being  Mission 
Peak  Board  of  Directors  who  would  control  the  use  of  Patterson 
House,  we  suggested  a  group  made  up  of  representatives  from  Washington 
Township  Historical  Society,  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation,  the 
Recreational  Commission,  a  Patterson  family  representative,  and  the 
remainder  appointed  at  large. 

Lage:    This  was  your  idea? 

Fisher:   This  was  our  proposal  to  compromise  and  not  let  the  thing  get 

stalled  on  political  issues.   So  the  advisory  board  did  get  passed 
with  that  composition. 

Lage:    Now  that's  the  Patterson  House  Advisory  Board  [PHAB]? 

Fisher:   Well,  we  worked  on  both  aspects,  the  advisory  board  for  the  whole 
park,  ARPHC,  and  for  the  house,  PHAB.   Incidentally,  to  begin  with 
it  was  the  city  of  Fremont  that  was  really  taking  over  and  not 


*Country  Club  of  Washington  Township  Research  Committee,  History 
of  Washington  Township,  published  1904-1965. 


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Fisher:   involving  this  as  an  East  Bay  regional  park.   They  were  controlling 
it,  and  they  were  leaving  out  Union  City  and  Newark.   I  think  the 
public  meetings  helped  bring  that  back  into  focus  with  the  proper 
balance.   So  when  the  composition  was  made  for  the  advisory  committee 
for  the  whole  preserve  [ARPAC],  then  it  did  include  representatives 
from  all  cities,  fortunately.   That  brought  into  it  representation 
from  the  railroad  people  and  other  groups. 

By  that  time  the  Saratoga  Horticultural  Foundation  pulled  out. 
I  can't  remember  why;  probably  they  saw  it  getting  too  complicated 
with  too  much  political  pressure,  and  they  weren't  going  to  have 
a  free  hand  in  the  proposals  that  they  had  made.   So  the  EBRPD  took 
over  that  aspect  of  it.   They  took  over  the  leasing  of  the  entire 
ranch,  and  then  the  East  Bay  Park  District  was  responsible  for  the 
farming  part  as  wpll  and  gardens  and  concourse. 

Lage:    Now,  does  East  Bay  Regional  Parks  have  the  immediate  grounds  here? 
Are  they  in  charge  of  the  immediate  grounds? 

Fisher:   As  far  as  I  know  now,  the  whole  acreage — 200  acres,  I  think — is 
leased,  with  the  exception  of  the  Patterson  house,  by  East  Bay 
Regional  Park  District.   The  city  owns  and  controls  the  house. 


Operation  of  Citizen  Advisory  Committees 


Lage: 
Fisher: 

Lage: 
Fisher: 


How  did  the  Patterson  House  Advisory  Board  work  out? 


The  Patterson  House  Advisory  Board  was  started, 
and  I  were  appointed  from  MPHF  when  it  started. 


Joanne,  my  wife, 


But  it  does  more  than  give  advice,  doesn't  it?  What  about  the  work 
of  guiding  tours  of  the  house? 

Well,  that's  a  long  story.   I'll  get  into  it  just  a  little  bit,  but 
it  was  obvious  from  the  beginning  that  this  would  be  a  problem 
because  in  changing  the  composition  of  the  advisory  board, we  got 
into  a  requirement  that  there  would  be  two  from  each  group,  WTHS 
and  MPHF,  and  one  from  the  city  recreation  commission,  one  from 
Patterson  family, and  three  at  large.   It  was  divisive,  and  it  was 
obvious  that  there  would  not  be  a  composition  based  on  interest  in 
the  project,  but  based  on  political  appointments.   So  from  the 
beginning,  appointments  were  made  politically.   Three  were  made  from 
the  people  at  large,  which  weren't  supposed  to  be  on  either  of  the 
WTHS  or  MPHF  groups;  they  were  made,  however,  from  the  same  group 
[WTHS].   So  at  one  time  there  were  five  or  six  people  from  Washington 


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Fisher:   Township  Historical  Society  that  had  been  nominated  by  the  Weeds 

and  had  been  passed  because  the  mayor  was  their  political  compatriot. 
It  was  almost  impossible  to  get  anything  done. 

I  wrote  a  policy  statement,  which  was  finally  accepted,  to 
outline  the  way  we  would  agree  to  use  the  house;  that  is,  a  living 
museum  approach,  and  not  to  have  recreational  events  in  the  house 
and  food  in  the  house  and  all  the  things  that  had  ruined  the  Moss 
House  in  Oakland  and  the  Meek  House  in  Hayward.   The  Moss  House 
and  so  many  others  had  been  ruined  by  holding  receptions  and  weddings 
inside.   And  the  Grau  House  in  our  city,  Fremont,  had  been  just 
literally  torn  apart  by  insensitive  usage,  recreational  wise. 

So  from  the  very  beginning  the  chair  dominated,  and  the  two 
people  that  were  from  Mission  Peak,  my  wife  Joanne  and  myself,  were 
easily  outvoted.   In  fact,  MPHF  nominated  people,  and  the  people 
MPHF  nominated  weren't  even  put  on  by  the  mayor.   We  [the  two 
historical  groups]  were  supposed  to  each  give  nominations,  and 
they  would  okay  them  or  not,  and  they  didn't. 

It  became  obvious  that  this  was  going  to  be  a  tough  fight  to 
make  progress  because  it  wasn't  an  interest  in  the  mansion,  it  was 
interest  politically — making  points  and  so  forth,  and  just  lack  of 
attendance.  We  went  through  a  phase  where  we  weren't  even  notified 
of  the  meetings  and  missed  some.  After  we  had  finally  got  the 
policy  statement  and  a  few  things  accomplished,  we  quit  in  frustration. 

As  replacements  were  made,  some  semblance  of  reality  began  to 
develop.   But  all  this  time  had  been  lost  and  the  opening  of  the 
house  and  park  was  coming  up.   I  would  have  to  look  back,  but  I 
think  once  they  got  the  agreement  organized  and  everybody  signed  it, 
I  think  there  was  something  like  a  year  to  get  ready,  and  they  had 
set  a  date  of  July  27,  1985,  I  believe,  for  the  opening.   The  PHAB 
stalled  and  really  accomplished  nothing  in  the  way  of  restoration. 
Their  duties  were  to  set  up  the  docent  program  and  do  the  restora 
tion;  they  were  to  raise  funds. 

Lage:    And  they  had  no  staff? 

Fisher:   No  staff,  no  secretary,  no  materials.   They  had  to  write  their  own 
letters;  they  had  to  buy  their  own  letterheads;  they  had  to  have 
one  of  the  members  type  up  the  minutes. 

Lage:    That's  a  tall  order  even  if  everyone  is  working  well  together. 

Fisher:   It  was  a  low  priority  thing;  the  city  council  and  city  staff  really 
didn't  give  a  damn  about  it  at  first.   This  was  a  project  that  they 
could  have  cared  less  for.   Larry  Milnes  was  probably  the  sole  staff 
person  who  carried  it  through  the  city.   So  there  was  a  year  nothing 


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Fisher:   was  done,  and  then  suddenly,  when  it  became  obvious  the  park  was 

going  to  open  and  be  a  success,  it  was  the  American  flag,  motherhood, 
and  apple  pie,  and  nobody  could  fight  it.   Everybody  agreed  it  was 
great;  it  had  no  political  opponents  and  no  deterrents,  with  the 
exception  of  this  advisory  board  apathy.   So  it  suddenly  became  a 
safe  campaign  issue,  and  everybody  wanted  to  get  on  the  band  wagon. 
The  Rotary  club  came  out  and  worked;  they  had  work  days,  and  the 
politicians  made  their  speeches  about  how  great  it  was,  and  how 
they  were  the  benefactors,  and  they  didn't  even  know  where  the  place 
was,  most  of  them. 

The  city  had  been  asked  for  funds  and  wouldn't  give  any.  When 
I  say  funds,  I'm  talking  about  restoration,  or  anything  to  do  with 
the  board  activities.   Finally,  it  came  down  to,  I  think  it  was 
about  three  weeks,  four  weeks,  before  the  opening.   Everybody  was 
panicking;  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  hadn't  completed  their  work. 
Nothing  had  been  done  to  the  house  with  the  exception  of  what  Dave 
Lewton  himself  had  finagled.   To  his  credit,  he  really  understood 
the  need  to  oare  for  the  house,    and  had  lived  here,  and  under 
stood  the  importance  of  it.   But  in  starting  some  interior  restoration, 
there  was  no  research  done  as  to  what  were  really  the  original 
conditions,  color,  etc.   There  were  some  really  stopgap  measures 
that  had  to  be  done — the  leaks,  septic  tank,  electrical  repair,  and 
house  settling;  lord  knows  what  else.   Dave  simply  diverted  funds 
from  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  and  had  people  come  in  from 
his  organization;  he  got  help  from  court  cases  and  youth  groups  and 
so  forth,  to  literally  do  the  jobs  that  were  the  city's  responsibility. 
The  city  did  very  little. 

In  the  process,  some  restoration  things  got  done  incorrectly. 
A  lot  of  things  got  done  that  were  needed  (maintenance),  but  some 
restoration  attempts  merely  had  to  be  done  over  again,  such  as 
taking  off  all  the  paint  on  the  old  bedroom  woodwork  panels  that 
were  never  unpainted.  Walls  were  replaced  there. 

Lage:    In  this  room,  the  woodwork? 

Fisher:  Yes,  this  room  also.   The  woodwork  was  of  utility  redwood  that  was 
put  in  in  the  1880s  when  they  did  the  new  house  and  converted  this 
old  parlor  to  a  dining  room.   It  was  painted  wood  from  the  very 
beginning,  and  Dave  brought  in  staff  people  from  the  East  Bay  Regional 
Park  and  took  hours  taking  off  the  paint  to  get  down  to  the  redwood 
which  wasn't  supposed  to  be  exposed.   I  don't  want  to  be  critical 
because  he's  the  only  one  that  showed  interest,  and  he  was  doing  a 
job  that  was  the  city's  job  through  the  PHAB,  using  East  Bay  Regional 
Park  help  and  funds.   Nothing  would  have  been  done  at  all,  had  that 
not  been. 


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Fisher:  But  at  the  last  three  weeks  the  board  panicked,  and  they  knew  nothing 
was  being  done,  and  Dave  suggested  that  they  hire  me  as  a  combination 
restoration  and  docent  coordinator  temporarily  until  it  opened. 

By  that  time  also  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  naturalist  at 
Coyote  Hills  had  been  brought  in  again  by  different  department 
heads,  all  overlapping  and  confused  in  the  bureaucracy.   They  had 
done  a  great  job  of  researching  and  had  started  some  training  courses 
for  docents.   Up  until  now,  when  the  house  was  shown,  MPHF  had 
always  used  its  own  docents  and  had  not  regular  days  but  had  given 
at  least  several  tours  per  year  and  had  put  on  three  "Annual 
Ardenwood  Festivals,"  the  first  of  which  was  started  by  Don 
Patterson.   Don  Patterson  brought  a  chamber  music  group  from  Palo 
Alto  in  1980,  and  they  gave  a  concert  on  the  concourse.   It  was  a 
huge  success,  and  they  had  wine  and  cheese. 

Lage:    Was  it  a  fundraiser? 

Fisher:   It  was  just  a  nice  time.   The  first  one.   Everyone  had  wine  and 

cheese  and  sat  on  a  blanket  on  the  lawn,  and  it  was  just  a  pleasant 
afternoon.   So  we  really  liked  the  idea,  and  the  next  year  we  put 
it  on.  We  had  an  art  festival  and  wine  tasting,  and  that  one  we 
used  to  raise  funds  for  the  restoration.   And  three  successive  times— 
we  had  a  musical  the  next  time,  and  then  finally,  at  the  third  one, 
we  reproduced  the  original  play  As  You  Like  It  that  was  put  on  by 
the  Patterson's  children's  senior  class  and  gave  the  name  to  Arden 
wood  from  forest  of  Arden  in  Shakespeare's  As  You  Like  It.   So  that 
was  a  thing  that  we  had  started. 

Lage:    You  had  developed  docent  programs? 

Fisher:   Well,  we  had  an  active  docent  program  at  Shinn  House.   It  was  open 

twice  a  month  regularly  and  then  by  appointment  for  groups,  for  more 
than  twelve  years.   So  we  had  a  docent  program,  and  whenever  we 
opened  this  house  we  used  our  docents  here.   But  once  the  park  had 
to  do  it — of  course,  we're  talking  about  a  tremendous  difference; 
we're  talking  about  thousands  of  people  coming  through.   In  a  place 
like  this,  you  have  to  have  at  least  a  minimum  of  eight  or  twelve 
people  just  to  cover  the  house.   Or  else  you  get  things  lifted  and 
damaged, and  people  bring  food  in  and  so  forth.   This  meant  a  quick 
training  program  for  a  large  contingent  of  docents. 

Lage:    This  is  the  last  three  weeks  they're  calling  on  you  to  do  this? 

Fisher:   Yes.   Fortunately,  the  docent  training  had  already  gotten  started 
with  the  naturalists,  but  it  was  a  crash  program  also,  and  I  think 
they  had  had  one  class,  and  then  they  brought  me  in,  and  I  was 
going  to  take  over.   But  it  was  obvious  that  they  were  on  the  right 


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By  Conn*  Rusk 
Staff  writ* 


Historical  farm 
ready  for  visitors 


FREMONT  —  If  everyone  who  had  • 
role  in  the  story  of  Ardeowood  Historic 
Farm  could  be  there  this  weekend.  It 
would  be  crowded  with  Indians,  Spanish 
settler*  and  Victorian-eta  farmers  - 
and  more  recently,  city  officials,  park 
planners  and  volunteers. 

It  was  once  the  site  of  an  Ohlone  Indi 
an  village,  then  a  Spanish  land  grant 
ranch.  It  was  George  Washington 
Patterson's  6,000-acre  pride  and  joy  in 
the  last  half  of  the  19th  century. 

Now  it's  going  to  be  a  public  attraction 
where  visitors  can  ride  a  hay  wagon  and 
a  vintage  train,  tour  the  Patterson  man 
sion,  and  eventually  live  for  a  weekend 
or  longer  to  experience  the  old-time 
fanning  life. 

The  grand  opening  culminates  10 
years  of  efforts  to  establish  the  park. 

Ardenwood  Supervisor  Dave  Lewton 
credits  Dr.  Bob  Fisher  of  the  Mission 
Peak  Heritage  Foundation  with  the  idea 
ef  the  park. 

"He  drew  up  plans  for  the  park,  and 
about  two-thirds  of  them  are  in  place 
now.  (Fisher)'s  here  right  now  painting 
rooms,"  Lewton  said  last  week. 

Officials  of  Fremont,  Newark,  the 
East  Bay  Regional  Park  District,  pri 
vate  citizens,  area  service  clubs,  4-H 
Club,  Scouts  and  the  Society  for  the  Pres 
ervation  of  Carter  Railroad  Resources 
all  contributed. 

In  the  early  1970s,  the  Patterson  fam 


ily  sold  the  iit«  to  •  boosing  developer. 
But  local  history  buffs  and  the  park  dis 
trict  already  had  their  eyes  on  the  site 
and  the  City  of  Fremont  blocked  housing 
plans,  which  led  to  lawsuits. 

Out-of -court  settlements  resulted  In  a 
gift  of  4«  acres,  including  the  George 
Patterson  House,  to  the  city,  and  122 
acres  were  bought  for  park  purposes. 
The  final  39  acres  were  deeded  as  a 
condition  of  development  of  the 
Ardenwood  Forest-New  Town 
development 

About  fl.3  million  in  state  and  federal 
grants  has  gone  into  the  park,  plus 
173,800  in  matching  park  district  funds, 
said  park  district  spokesman  Ned 
MacKay. 

The  land  and  bouse  are  owned  by  the 
City  of  Fremont  and  Fremont  Park  Fa 
cilities  Corp.  The  East  Bay  Regional 
Park  District  has  leased  the  site  for  25 
years,  with  an  option  for  renewal 

Guiding  the  creation  of  the  park  has 
been  the  Ardenwood  Regional  Preserve 
Advisory  Committee,  which  is  responsi 
ble  to  both  the  park  district  and  the  City 
of  Fremont 

Committee  members  are  appointed  by 
the  cities  of  Fremont  Newark  and  Union 
City  and  by  the  park  district. 


It  isn't  Knott's  Berry  Farm 


FREMONT  —  Don't  expect  Knott'i 
Berry  Farm  when  visiting  Ardenwood 
Historic  Farm.  There  won't  be  cavort 
ing  cartoon  characters,  scream-in 
ducing  flume  rides  or  blue  cotton 
candy 

Walk  to  the  park  if  you  live  nearby, 
because  most  folks  didn't  have  hone- 
less  carriages  In  the  late  1800s  when 
George  Washington  Patterson  fanned 
the  fertile  ground  north  and  east  of 
Willow  Marsh. 

Most  of  all,  slow  down  when  you 
visit  the  park  and  find  out  bow  South 
ern  Alameda  County  used  to  live. 

Ardenwood.  named  after  a  forested 
area  of  England,  will  be  a  place  to 
pitch  hay.  saw  wood  and  ride  a  farm 
wsgon  that  might  have  taken 
Patterson's  product  to  waiting  barges 


at  Anderson's  Landini  to  the  north. 

Visitors  can  see  turn-of -the-century 
.farm  implements  In  action  and  oper 
ate  some  of  the  tools  themselves. 

The  Oakland  Musenm  plans  to  lend 
the  park  Its  circa  1904  Best  steam 
traction  engine,  adding  to  s  collection 
of  tractors,  horse-drawn  balers, 
wheat  threshing  machines  and  corn 
buskers. 

Pumpkins,  vegetables,  nuts,  corn 
and  fruit  will  be  sold  from  a  fruit 
stand  once  the  farm's  first  harvest 
comes  in. 

Artisans  will  demonstrate  some  of 
the  fanning  and  homemaking  skills 
used  in  Fitter-son's  day.  Visitors 
watch  as  bread  is  baked,  saddles  are 
made,  tools  are  crafted  by  a  black 
smith  and  porcelain  and  glass  is 
painted 


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JULY.    1985 

A  nonthly  publication  of 
the  Inter-County  Parks  Foundation 

THE  EAST  BAY 


Ardenwood  Historic  Farm  Opens  July  28 


Ardenwood  Historic  Preserve,  the  park  dis 
trict's  beautiful  new  facility  recreating  life 
in  19th  Century  California,  will  have  its  grand 
opening  for  the  public  on  Sunday,  July  28,  from 
10  a.m.  to  4  p.m. 

This  unique  regional  park  is  being  developed 
as  a  living  history  farm,  allowing  visitors  to 
see  and  experience  a  prosperous  estate  of  the 
1880s. 

At  the  grand  opening,  visitors  will  take  a 
trip  into  California's  colorful  past.   They  will 
see  draft  horses  at  work  in  a  wheat  field,  and  a 
blacksmith  hammering  at  his  forge.   Rides  will 
be  offered  on  a  hay  wagon  or  on  a  unique  horse- 
drawn  rail  car. 

Visitors  will  be  able  to  join  in  a  square  dance 
or  try  their  hands  at  goat  milking  and  wielding 
old  farm  tools. 

There  will  also  be  tours  of  the  historic  Pat 
terson  Mansion,  set  amid  handsomely  landscaped 


grounds,  which  is  being  restored  to  its  1880s 
prime.   Ardenwood  was  established  by  California 
pioneer  George  Patterson,  a  gold  seeker  who 
found  his  fortune  in  farming  instead. 

The  public  is  encouraged  to  bring  picnic 
lunches,  and  dress  in  1880s  costumes  if  desired. 
There  is  an  admission  fee. 

Road  construction  is  causing  changes  to  the 
entrance  directions  for  Ardenwood  during  July  and 
August  of  1985.   There  are  two  entrances  to 
Ardenwood:   the  couth  entrance  from  Lake 
Boulevard,  which  crosses  the  Decoto  Road/Dum 
barton  Bridge  Freeway;  and  the  west  entrance  from 
Ardenwood  Boulevard  (currently  called  Newark 
Blvd.)  north  of  the  Dumbarton  Bridge  Freeway. 
Visitors  will  need  to  watch  changing  road  signs 
and  look  for  the  Ardenwood  Regional  Preserve 
entrance  signs.   The  park  is  very  distinctive 
also  because  of  its  towering  eucalyptus  groves. 


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Fisher:   track,  and  so  they  used  my  help  in  training.   I  helped  them  with 

their  identifications  of  the  rooms,  furnishing,  etc.,  and  the  tours, 
and  so  forth,  until  I  knew  that  things  were  started.   Then  Frank 
Jahns  was  hired  as  naturalist  at  Ardenwood  and  took  over  the  organ 
izing  of  the  decent  training  and  scheduling,  and  did  a  good  job.   I 
was  freed  up  to  do  the  restoration  only,  except  teaching  on  the 
decent  program. 

So  it  was  now  down  to  three  weeks  when  1  was  asked  to  step  in 
and  got  PHA  Board's  approval  and  presented  a  proposal  that  the 
board  approved:   the  concept  and  the  specific  way  of  restoring  it. 
In  the  meantime,  I  had  been  cheating;  anticipating  the  need,  I  had 
been  doing  some  research  on  the  building  interiors  and  finding  out 
the  paint  colors,  and  the  original  paint  surfaces,  and  things  that 
you  have  to  do  before  you  can  get  going  on  actual  restoration  work. 
So  I  was  sort  of  thinking  that  if  they  didn't  ask  me  I  would  do  it 
alone.   Anyway,  they  did  ask. 

This  was  a  hard  step,  because  the  PHAB  was  controlled  by 
Washington  Township  Historical  Society,  and  they  were  against  my 
doing  it.   And  the  council  was  going  along  with  them.   But  to  Harry 
McLane's  credit,  by  that  time,  he  had  seen  the  intrigue  and  was  not 
going  along  with  the  disruption  from  the  Weeds.  He  had  serious 
concern  for  the  docent  and  restoration  program;  he  resigned  from 
WTHS. 

Lage:    Now  who  is  Harry  McLane? 

Fisher:  Harry  McLane  by  then  was  the  chairman  of  the  board.   The  people  that 
had  been  controlling  it  had  dropped  out  and  appointees  had  changed, 
so  that  those  that  were  on  the  advisory  board  were  at  least  indiff 
erent;  they  weren't  antagonistic,  and  he  was  able  to,  at  the  last 
minute,  after  about  three  requests  from  the  city,  get  some  funds. 
That,  again,  was  I  think,  four  weeks  before  opening.   The  council 
voted  an  emergency  $22,000  for  restoration  and  for  hiring  a  coordinator 
of  docent  and  restoration  to  get  things  moving. 

Lage:    Doesn't  give  you  much  time  to  get  ready  to  open  the  house. 

Fisher:   No.   So  in  those  three  weeks,  by  then,  everybody  recognized  you 
couldn't  open  the  park  without  the  house.   Before  that  time  the 
East  Bay  Regional  Park  really,  except  for  Dave,  didn't  recognize  how 
important  the  house  was,  that  this  was  the  focal  point,  and  how 
important  it  was  to  people  coming.   They  wanted  to  see  the  house. 
So  it  all  came  together,  and  we  worked  with  EBRPD  staff  transferred 
from  other  other  parks,  and  volunteers.  We  worked  seven  days  a  week, 
twelve  hours  a  day  on  restoration  and  gradually  got  it  into  shape 
so  that  it  opened  with,  I  think,  six  rooms.   Not  necessarily  all 


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Lage: 
Fisher: 

Lage: 
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Lage: 


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Lage: 
Fisher: 


complete,  but  the  basics — the  paint,  the  floors,  and  ceilings.   The 
original  Patterson  furniture  in  MPHF  storage  and  in  use  at  Shinn 
House  was  finally  able  to  be  brought  back  to  its  original  location 
in  the  house  for  opening  day! 

That's  impressive  that  that  kind  of  work  got  done  at  the  last  minute. 

I  think  it  was  to  the  credit  of  everyone  who  worked  really  endlessly 
on  it.  This  is  tough  work;  this  is  the  dirty  fingernail  work.  This 
is  the  scrubbing,  painting,  cleaning,  etc. 

It  also  is  to  your  credit  that  you  had  done  the  research,  so  you 
knew  what  to  tell  people  to  do. 

Well,  I  had  to  keep  one  step  ahead  because  I  had  done  enough  to 
start  with,  but  by  the  time  we  finished  that,  I  had  to  match  and 
order  the  next  paint.   Incidentally,  I  bought  all  the  materials, 
and  then  got  reimbursed  later.   There  was  no  time  for  bureaucratic 
purchase  orders.   So  anyway,  the  house  did  open  up  and  was  enjoyed, 
and  from  that  time  on  we  rested  awhile,  and  then  we  came  back  and 
did  more. 

Has  the  response  to  it  within  the  community  helped  any  with  getting 
further  funds? 

No,  not  funds,  but  once  we  opened  and  people  came  through,  it  was 
presented  very  factually,  that  this  historic  house  was  in  the 
process  of  being  restored,  and  we  welcomed  help,  and  we  welcomed 
donation  of  furniture  and  artifacts,  and  we  showed  them  the  thing 
in  progress.   As  well  as  some  of  the  completed  rooms,  we  had  to  go 
through  some  of  the  rooms  that  weren't  finished. 

So  this  encouraged  help,  it  encouraged  the  decent  program 
volunteers,  and  we  began  to  build  up  that  program.   By  then  Frank 
Jahns  was  fully  involved  in  a  good  training  program.   They  started, 
I  think,  with  about  fifteen,  and  the  next  group  was  about  thirty. 
So  it's  gradually  blossomed  out,  with  a  very  dedicated  bunch  of 
people.   Incidentally,  as  far  as  I  know, none  of  the  WTHS  members 
were  involved  with  either  restoration  or  the  decent  program. 

Did  you  have  people  who  were  here  every  weekend  giving  tours? 

I  don't  think  people  realize  the  numbers  of  visitors  that  come  through 
this  place.   It  starts  Thursday  and  goes  through  Sunday.   I  know 
from  Shinn  House  experience  that  to  carry  on  a  docent  program  over 
months  and  years  is  really  tough.   People  have  their  own  activities; 
getting  commitments  to  these  hours  is  difficult.   Not  many  people 
are  willing  to  do  that,  to  be  pinned  down  for  two  hours  on  Sunday. 


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Lage:    That's  right,  for  weeks  on  end. 

Fisher:  Right.   So  it's  a  difficult  program,  and  they  are  responding  to  it, 
But  it's  a  program  with  a  lot  of  turnover. 

Lage:    You  have  to  continually  recruit  new  docents. 

Fisher:  And  continue  to  educate  them.  The  people  come  in  not  knowing  any 
history  of  the  family  or  the  area,  and  they  have  to  learn  the  art 
of  interpretation. 

Lage:    They  have  to  learn  to  judge  people,  too,  learn  who  to  watch,  and 
how  to  relate  to  their  questions. 

Fisher:   Yes.  We  started  with  people  that  would  talk  to  the  tour  group  for 
an  hour  before  they  let  them  in  the  house,  backing  up  the  crowds, 
[laughter] 


Political  and  Personal  Complications  for  Ardenwood  Management//// 


Lage:    Perhaps  you  can  clarify  something  that  wasn't  clear  to  me.   I  don't 
see  why  an  operation  like  this,  a  historical  park,  would  become  a 
political  plum. 

Fisher:   There  are  two  aspects  of  it.   In  the  initial  part  where  nobody's 

interested,  political  appointments  are  made  as  favors  and  as  rewards 
for  campaigns,  political  favors,  and  so  forth.   Appointments  serve 
as  stepping  stones,  from  minor  boards  and  commissions  to  council 
and  planning  commission;  lots  of  people  want  to  put  on  their  credit 
list,  "I  was  on  such  and  such  board  and  commission  for  the  city." 
During  the  time  of  no  interest — and  I  mean  literally  no  interest  in 
Ardenwood — the  fight  to  preserve  Ardenwood  was  going  on  but  without 
help  from  city  or  other  historical  groups. 

Once  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  historic  preserve 
proposal  was  publicized  in  the  papers,  that  it  would  be  this  great 
Bay  Area  facility,  which  would  be  noncontroversial,  it  would  be  a 
plum  in  anybody's  pie  that  had  been  connected  with  it.   It  was 
recognized  as  a  safe,  positive,  political  accomplishment — especially 
since  it  came  right  at  the  election  time.   So  those  people  who  had, 
as  I  say,  not  even  known  where  it  was,  let  alone  been  involved,  were 
getting  in  on  so-called  volunteer  days.   They  held  VIP  picnics,  and 
they  had  various  ceremonies  connected  with  publicizing  the  park. 
The  Rotary  Club  that  had  never  known  the  place  before  became  involved. 
Politicians,  of  course,  were  visible  members.   They  saw  the  value, 


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Fisher:  and  not  only  that,  they  were  interested  in  service.   So  it  was 
legitimate  interest,  as  well  as  a  chance  to  publicize  their 
contributions  and  involvement. 

But, of  course,  the  speeches  were  made,  and  the  people  that 
really  did  the  early  work  were  forgotten  along  the  line.   So  I  don't 
think  any  of  the  original  grass-roots  organizations  that  were 
involved  getting  it  started  or  with  the  work,  none  of  these  people 
were  recognized  in  speeches  or  publicity  blurbs.   I'm  not  talking 
about  myself;  I'm  talking  about  when  people  were  recognized  it  was 
the  heads  of  the  service  clubs,  mayor,  councilmen,  etc.  that  had 
done  the  corrals  on  "FUN"  days  (volunteer  workdays) ,  and  not  the 
people  that  had  for  years  protected  it.   But  that's  the  way  it 
works.   Those  were  the  usual  two  phases  of  such  projects  and  now 
there's  a  certain  balance  that  has  developed. 


Recent  Changes  in  Leadership 


Lage:    Are  you  back  on  the  advisory  board? 

Fisher:   No.   Officially  I  am  hired  by  the  board.   I  wish  I  had  never  done 

it,  but  I  accepted  a  stipend  that  came  with  the  decent  and  restora 
tion  coordinator  position  plus  reimbursement  of  what  I  spent  on 
restoration  materials.   As  I  say,  I  wish  I  had  not  done  it,  because 
I  was  perfectly  happy  volunteering  for  twenty  years.   The  stipend 
wasn't  that  much,  and  not  worth  the  embarrassment  of  asking  to  be 
reimbursed.   At  any  rate,  it's  been  a  problem  since  I'm  still  owed 
from  three  months  back. 

Anyway,  I  think  the  balance  now  is  there.   Harry  McLane  is 
chairman  of  the  board,  and  although  there  are  not  a  lot  of  intensely 
interested  people  on  it,  there  are  probably  none  that  are  actually 
antagonistic.   The  Washington  Township  Historical  Society  hasn't 
even  shown  up  for  volunteers  or  during  the  ceremonies;  in  other 
words,  they  have  been  completely  uninvolved  and  have  gone  back  to 
where  they  originally  were  before  all  the  disruption. 

Lage:    That  makes  it  a  lot  easier. 

Fisher:   Yes.   The  workable  balance  is,  I  think,  there  now.   But  the  concern 
now  is  how  much  will  the  public  influence  what  they  want  here  and 
how  much  will  be  controlled  by  staff  people  of  East  Bay  Regional 
Park  and  city.   As  long  as  Larry  Milnes  is  watchdogging  it,  there 
will  be  support  and  proper  balance  from  the  city.   Fortunately,  the 
election  changed  the  situation  on  the  council  so  there's  now  a 


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supportive  mayor  and  council  majority,  and  that  is  beginning  to 
loosen  up  funds  and  grants  and  so  forth.   The  East  Bay  Regional  Park 
District  has  had  a  tremendous  turnover,  and  everybody  is  running 
scared,  and  I'm  a  little  worried  about  the  new  administration's 
attitude  toward  Ardenwood,  with  Dave  Lewton  out  of  the  picture. 

He  is  out  of  the  picture  now? 

Yes.  As  of  a  week  ago. 

He  had  done  so  much  in  bringing  it  all  together. 

He  had  done  a  tremendous  lot  to  get  the  historic  farm  organized,  a 
sometimes  controversial  action,  but  he  has  used  his  own  judgment, 
and  he's  stuck  his  neck  out.   That  made  a  lot  of  enemies. 

Was  he  an  East  Bay  park  employee  from  the  beginning? 

He  was  supervisor  of  the  seven  area  parks  to  begin  with  and  then 

was  brought  here  solely  as  the  development  coordinator  for  Ardenwood. 

So  he  was  brought  in  for  this  project  alone  to  get  it  started. 

Then  he  was  a  park  employee  before  coming  to  Ardenwood? 

He  had  been  a  park  employee  for  a  long  time,  ten  or  fifteen  years, 
I  think. 

Is  he  out  of  the  park  district  altogether  now? 

No,  he's  at  the  EBRPD  headquarters  now,  but  the  project  has  been 
taken  out  of  his  hands,  and  now  Bruce  Gillespie  is  in  charge.   He 
served  as  manager  of  the  grounds  under  Lewton  and,  when  Lewton  left, 
moved  into  the  Patterson  House  with  his  wife  as  caretakers. 


Well,  is  the  change  in  management  a  philosophical  change? 
been  a  change  in  the  way  the  park  is  run? 


Has  there 


That's  what  worries  me  most  because  Dave  has  a  keen  interest  in  the 
historical  angle.   He's  also  a  very  astute  manager.  Management 
involves,  sometimes,  as  I  said,  economic  (commercial)  aspects  to 
make  it  work;  that  can  interfere  with  the  pure  historically  oriented 
interpretation  and  amenities. 

So  I  don't  know,  honestly,  how  it  will  be  carried  on.   The 
district  management  now  is  not — I  would  have  to  guess,  but  the 
management  is  not  necessarily  oriented  in  the  same  direction  as  Dave 
was,  whereas  before,  he  got  the  backing  and  support  of  the  higher 
echelon   in  the  East  Bay  Regional  Parks  District,  and  I  don't  think 


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that  support  is  there  anymore.  It  remains  to  be  seen  how  it  carries 
through.  It  can  gradually  be  converted  into  a  recreational  activity 
park  instead  of  the  concept  of  historical  interpretation. 

But  they  did  have  the  master  plan. 

They  had  a  master  plan  and  a  management  agreement  with  city,  and 
it's  protected,  basically,  with  the  concept  if  they  continue  to 
follow  it.   Hopefully  they  will. 

So  it's  up  in  the  air  now  whether  their  plans  for  the  farming  center 
at  the  old  William  Patterson  house  site  will  go  forth? 

No,  I  think  that's  written  into  the  overall  schedule  there.  All 
these  things  are  scheduled  for  certain  dates,  and  I  think  those 
will  move  forward.   I  think  it's  a  matter  of  degree,  more,  how 
consistently  they  stick  to  an  illusion  of  a  Victorian  farm,  and  how 
much  they  intrude  utility  and  modern  stuff  in  order  to  keep  it 
economically  feasible — for  instance,  eucalyptus  tree  harvesting. 

From  the  actual  farming  that's  being  done  on  park  lands,  is  there 
still  a  hope  of  selling  the  crop? 

They're  actually  doing  that  now;  they're  selling  corn  and  pumpkins — 
Who  does  that  farming?  Is  that  a  concession? 

These  are  concessions.   In  fact,  that's  what  it  was  all  about  before 
the  Pattersons  sold  the  land  anyway.   Patterson  leased  the  farming 
operation  to  the  L.S.  Williams  farming  people  and  the  walnut  crop 
to  others. 

Who  is  leasing  it  now;  are  they  the  area  farmers? 

I  think  the  same  L.S.  Williams  Company,  I  believe,  leases  the  major 
fields.* 

The  ones  that  are  using  the  modern  methods? 

In  the  periphery,  yes.  I  believe,  I'm  not  sure  about  this,  but  I've 
seen  discussions  with  smaller  leasers  growing  the  corn  and  pumpkins, 
for  instance,  for  sale  in  smaller  areas,  demonstration  areas.  Then, 
of  course,  East  Bay  runs  the  demonstrations  with  concessionaires — 
the  wagon  pulling;  the  railroad  is  by  the  SPCRR  group;  and  there  are 
the  food  concessions  and  whatnot. 


*See  interview  with  Mel  Alameda  in  this  series. 


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Lage:    Do  you  know  if  it's  an  expensive  park  for  the  East  Bay  Regional 
Park  District  to  actually  run? 

Fisher:   According  to  Dave,  East  Bay  has  spent  more  than  the  entire  rest  of 
the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  funds  getting  this  preserve  started. 
That  is  part  of  the  controversy.   Probably  the  new  management  in 
the  regional  park  administration  feels  too  much  has  gone  into  this 
project.  And  yet  I  think  everyone  agreed,  it's  so  unique  that  the 
benefits  to  the  East  Bay,  or  to  the  entire  Bay  Area  communities 
are  worth  it. 

Lage:    It's  very  striking  to  me  that  such  a  short  time  ago  there  was  an 
actual  working  farm,  and  now,  already,  we're  treating  it  like  a 
museum. 

Fisher:   That's  the  whole  idea.   Eventually  there  won't  be  any  farming,  and 
this  is  the  only  patch,  I  believe,  that's  left.   Now  maybe  there 
are  some  specialized  concentrated  types — gladiolus,  a  "high  yield" 
different  kind  of  farming — but  none  of  the  row  crop  farming  anymore. 
So  this  is  the  last,  and  it's  the  last  place  anybody  will  be  able 
to  see  the  process  as  it  was.   High  tax,  land  prices,  and  urban 
sprawl  have  driven  the  farmers  to  rural  areas.   So  it  is  a  unique 
type  of  preserve  and  park. 

Lage:    So  we're  ending  with  not  a  real  conclusion  because  there  isn't  a 
conclusion  for  this  story. 

Fisher:  Well,  I  think  it  has  enough  of  a  start  so  that  the  momentum  will 

keep  it  rolling  and  if  the  citizens'  committees  can  speak  their  mind 
and  have  their  input,  I  think  the  right  things  will  continue,  and 
it  will  be  here  for  the  future. 


Transcriber:   Alexandra  Walter 
Final  Typist:   Elizabeth  Eshleman 


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TAPE  GUIDE  -  Robert  Fisher 


Date  of  Interview:   September  9,  1986 

tape  1,  side  A  212 

tape  1,  side  B  221 


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APPENDIX— Mission  Peak  Heritage 
Foundation  Proposal  for  Historic 
Preserve  at  Ardenvood,  1980 


To:  Fremont  City  Council 

From:  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation 

Re:  Ardenwood  and  its  future  use 


September  1980 


On  August  13,  '980,  a  meeting  was  he'd  by  Larry  Milnes  of  the  City  staff 
with  interested  organizations  and  agencies  to  discuss  the  future  use  of  "Arden 
wood",  the  George  W.  Patterson  Estate.   In  answer  to  his  request,  the  Mission 
Peak  Heritage  Foundation  is  happy  to  forward  the  attached  proposal  first  made 
in  1972  and  re-evaluated  by  this  report. 

BACKGROUND: 

In  I960,  the  Historic  Resources  Commission  developed  an  inventory  of  historic 
sites,  structures,  and  horticulture  within  the  City  of  Fremont.  The  Primary 
Histor;c  Resource  lists  and  maps  were  officially  adopted  by  the  City  Council  «nd 
designated  on  the  Recreation,  Area,  and  General  Plan  maps  of  the  city.   It  was 
clear  that  Ardenwood  was  second  only  to  the  Mission  San  Jose  In  its  historic 
community  significance  and  pote^tia'  for  future  generation's  enjoyment.  To  this 
end,  this  unique  area  and  ;ts  resources  have  been  protected  and  .sponsored  by 
members  of  the  Historic  Resources  Commission  and  subsequently  by  the  Mission  Peak 
Heritage  Foundation  for  the  past  20  years.  When  the  William  Patterson  Mansion, 
also  on  the  grounds,  was  destroyed  at  the  request  of  the  family,  the  Foundation 
heloed  to  prevent  a  similar  fate  for  the  G.W.  Patterson  House  until  acquisition 
by  the  Singer  organization.  That  organization  coordinated  with  the  Foundation 
and  Recreation  Department  to  incorporate  the  important  historic  elements  Into 
•the  park  dedication  of  their  development.   Meanwhile,  the  furnishings,  archives, 
and  equipment  of  Ardenwood  were  donated  by  the  family  to  the  Foundation  for 
preservation. 


In  1972,  when  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  initiated  a  new  park 
category  called  "Historic  Regional  Park",  the  Foundation  proposal  for  the 
development  of  a  multiphasic,  cultural-recreational  complex  was  given  a  high 
priority  by  the  city,  EBRPD,  the  Citizen  Task  Force  and  Overview  consultants. 


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The  new*  category  did  not  survive,  but  Ardenwood  was  placed  on  E3RPD  Master  Plan 
for  oossible  future  acquisition.   Fremont's  concern  with  the  North  Plain  urban 
development  outgrowing  its  facilities  for  sewer,  fire  protection,  and  school 
se-  /ices,  deferred  the  Singer  Housing  development  at  Ardenwood.  Through  a 
series  of  negotiations,  165  acres  of  Ardenwood  are  now  under  control  or  owner 
ship  of  Fremont.   Newark  and  Union  City  are  aware  of  Ardenwood 's  value  as  a 
leisure  resource  and  favor  development  of  a  regional  use  facility. 

The  MPHF  proposal  *or  "Ardenwood  Historical  Regional  Park"  has  been  seen 
by  the  tri-city  and  EBRPO  staffs.   Hundreds  of  citizens  have  expressed  enthusiasm 
for  the  potential  of  the  proposal  during  guided  tours  of  the  estate  by  the  Foundatlor 
For  those  newly  elected  to  council  and  appointed  to  commissions,  we  welcome  the 
opportunity  to  review  the  attached  elements  and  maps  of  the  proposal,  as  presented 
in  '9/2-3,  and  to  re-evaluate  its  feasibility  In  light  of  recent  developments. 
Some  of  these  developments  which  have  an  impact  on  Ardenwood  will  be  discussed  and 

41 c  briefly  listed. 


1.  Single  ownership  and  control  of  165  acres  of  Ardenwood  property  (City  of  Fremont] 

2.  Continued  and  alarming  loss  of  structural  and  horticultural  historic  resources 

3.  Development  of  Coyote  Hills  Regional  Park  and  SF  Bay  Wildlife  Refuge  and 
Alameda  Creek  Trail  System. 

k.   Increased  vandalism  and  difficulty  of  proper  security 

5.  East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  Master  Plan  for  park  acquisition  favoring  200 
acre  "Model  Farm"  but  disinterest  in  the  house  and  other  historical  elements 

6.  Saratoga  Horticultural  Foundation  Proposal  and  UC  Berkeley  and  Alameda  School 
Districts  Interests 

7.  Increasing  problems  of  usable  water 

8.  Restoration  of  G.W.  Patterson  House,  the  barn  and  SPC  combination  car 


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First,  let  it  be  clearly  stated.  The  basis  of  the  MPHF  proposal  rests  on  the  fact 
that  Ardenwood  has  an  unique  qual i  ty  and  potential .  The  attributes  of  large  "open 
space"  with  mature  horticulture,  identifiable  landmark  trees  adjacent  to  three 
cities  and  two  major  freeways,  alone,  would  qualify  this  area  for  a  city  park,  let 
alone  regional  recreational  usage.   But  its  unique  and  potential  value  lies  ?n  the 
fact  that  this  nucleus  of  the  old  Rancho  Potrero  del  los  Cerritos,  Itself  filled 
with  historic  resources,  has  the  close  proximity  and  historic  relationship  with 
the  fol lowing : 

1.  Ohlone  village  site  and  the  original  Mission  San  Jose  embarcadaro  at 
Coyote  Hi  1  Is 

2.  Early  town  and  Alameda  County  seat  origins  at  Alvarado  on  Alameda  Creek 

3.  Early  salt  industry  and  commercial  landings  along  the  "sloughs" 

k.  Nearby  sites  of  the  adobe  homes  of  Alviso  and  Pacheco,  Rancho  grantees 
whose  boundary  ditch  runs  through  the  property. 

$.  The  South  Pacific  Coast  narrow  gauge  RR  origin  of  Newark  town,  Paddle- 
wheeler  "Newark"  at  Dumbarton  Point 

6.  A  surviving  rural  Alameda  County  farm  operation 

Here  then  at  Ardenwood  is  the  unique  opportunity  to  demonstrate  and  interpret 
within  a  park  complex  the  whole  panorama  of  Alameda  County  and  California  heritage. 
This  legacy  for  future  generations  can  only  be  preserved  by  recognition  of  its 
significance  and  the  gradual  development,  through  sensitive  coordination  of  Its 
components  and  adjacent  facilities.  (Coyote  Regional  Park,  S.F.  Bay  Refuge,  Alameda 
Creek  Trail  System)  5 ingle  ownership  by  Fremont  should  simplify  development  of  the 
165  acre 'complex,  but  places  the  heavy  burden  of  responsibility  for  preservation 
and  proper  utilization  for  the  benefit  of  al 1  Bay  area  citizens,  squarely  upon  the 
prooerty's  present  custodians— the  Fremont  City  Council. 


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The  HPHF  strongly  advises  the  preservation  of  thts  unique  resource  intact. 
but  sees  no  objection,  Indeed  some  cost-saving  advantage  to  the  use  and  development 
ot  its  individual  components  through  private  enterprise  le:  Saratoga  Horticultural 
Foundation,  concessionaires  in  transportation  and  Washington  Village,  agencies,  le: 
EBRPD  -Model  Farm,  UC  agricultural  research  and  volunteer  labor  and  funds,  as  well 
as  grants  ie:  Ethnic  and  historical  groups.   This  could  be  accomplished  properly 
coordinated  by  its  legal  owners  and  custodians  according  to  an  acceptable  time 
schedule  and  over-all  plan. 

The  Foundation  foresees,  in  the  not  too  distant  future,  the  "Model  Farm" 
element  of  this  proposal  as  the  last  remaining  vestige  of  Alameda  County's 
agricultural  heritage.  This  operation  could  be  leased  to  EBRPO  for  develop 
ment  or  simply  remain  in  Its  present  relation  of  city  to  local  farmers,  modified 
to  a  small  degree  for  agricultural  experimentation  via  UC  and  school  district 
participation  with  work-educational  programs.  Likewise,  there  is  a  growing  na*4 
to  secure  and  protect  "primitive"  areas  of  ecological  and  environmental  importance 
(ie:  eucalyptus  grove  and  deer  park)  intact  and  un cent am  mated  by  man  except  for 
restricted  study. 

It  Is  Important  to  understand  and  perpetuate  the  culture  (philosophy,  crafts. 
and  traditions)  of  ethnic  groups  which  reflect  the  heritage  of  Washington  Township 
ie:  The  IDES  Halls,  the  Buddhist  Temples,  the  Spanish-Mexican  haciendas,  the)  Japan 
ese  schools  —  proudly  highlighted  within  Washington  Village  area.  For  the  Ohlone 
a  1 i vlnq  cultural  center,  not  a  reduplication  of  the  excellent  archeoloqlcal 
center  at  Coyote  Regional  Park.  The  Oh 1 ones,  themselves,  need  a  place  where  they 
interpret  and  demonstrate  their  rich  heritage.  The  'VI llows"  "recycled"  lake, 
as  proposed,  makes  an  ideal  environment  for  the  Ohlone  center  and  Is  said  by 
Saratoga  Foundation  to  be  desirable  for  fire  protection  and  reservoir  use. 


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There  is  a  healthy  and  growing  trend  to  put  historic  building  to  •  functional 
and  self-supporting  use  as  in  O'd  Sacramento  and  San  Jose.  The  "Historic  Village" 
concept  which  inspired  the  MPHF's  "Washington  Village"  is  well  tested  by  other 
cities.   It  gives  rebirth  and  functional  life  to  relocated  and  restored  "historic 
orphans"  —  bui 'dings  threatened  by,  or  inappropriate  to  certain  areas  of  urban 
development.  The  individual  units  are  usually  "free  for  the  moving"  which  Is 
done  in  the  case  of  Bakersfield  by  use  of  tax  exemption  benefit  for  services. 
They  can  4e  stored  in  "moth  balled"  state  on  location  until  private  or  agency 
restoration. 

The  MPHF  sees  the  Saratoga  Horticultural  Foundation  proposal  as  a  compatible 
use  of  the  kO  acre  nucleus  of  Ardenwood.   It  was,  after  all,  the  original  use  of 
Patterson  Ranch  and  offers  greater  and  more  consistent  security  and  maintenance* 
Possible  garden  restoration,  open  air  amphitheatre  are  interesting  bonuses  to 
consider.  Compromise  between  public  and  Saratoga  Foundation  use  for  the  G.W. 
Patterson  House  and  lawn  concourse  areas,  and  coordination  of  house  tours  and 
public  outdoor  activities  through  the  MPHF  can  be  outlined  In  lease  agreement 
to  serve  both  interests. 

The  equestrian  area  designated  is  not  essential  to  the  HPHF  proposal  although 
lrmitation  of  motorized  vehicles  in  favor  of  horse-drawn  vehicles  lends  to  the 
vintage  aura.  Visitor  transportation  via  a  recreated  rlorse-car  railroad  follow 
ing  a  mutually  agreeable  alignment  through  the  Saratoga  project  but  connecting 
with  Coyote  Regional  Park  and  eventually  the  Alameda  Creek  Trail  System  remains 
an  excising  and  compatible  idea.  The  large  barn  we  now  feel  would  more  appro 
priately  serve  as  an  agricultural  and  SPC  railroad  museum.  An  outdoor  amphitheatre 
probably  in  the  swimming  pool  area  with  public  restroom  faci 1 i ties -would  be  useful 
for  public  concerts  and  theatre  as  well  as  Saratoga  Foundation  seminars.  MPHF 
shares  the  Saratoga  Foundation's  concern  In  regards  to  fire  hazard  of  ovarnlqht 
camping  and  suggests  deleting  this  element  in  favor  of  daytime  play  and  picnic 
areas,  especially  on  'Vashington  Village"  green.  The  old  farm  houses  could 
easily  be  recycled  to  barracks  use  for  employees  and  class  participants. 


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At  the  EBRPD  Board  meeting  of  September  2,  1980,  there  was  unanimous 
agreement  among  it's  members  that  Ardenwood,  with  the  addition  of  ^0  acres  for 
protective  buffer,  should  be  preserved  intact  to  function  as  a  regional  park. 
In  addition  to  their  original  interest  in  the  circa  1900  model  farm,  other 
historic  elements  of  the. Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  proposal  are  now 
being  discussed  as  having  significant  interpretive  and  educational  value  ie: 
demonstration  of  rural  crafts,  agricultural  equipment  museum,  etc.  The  natural 
outgrowth  of  a  regional  park  that  is  historically  oriented  will  eventually  need 
to  provide  such  facilities  as  overnight  accomodat ions,  food  services  and  a  trans 
portation  system.  To  be  consistent  with  the  historical  theme,  we  refer  to  those 
suggestions  made  by  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation,  providing  these  facilities 
in  Washington  Village  and  by  use  of  the  horsecar  railroad. 

The  preliminary  concepts  outlined  at  this  meeting  suggest  the  sub-leasing 
of  the  George  W.  Patterson  house  to  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  with 
activities  such  as  tours  and  concerts  to  be  continued.   Under  thts  arrangement, 
continued  security  could  be  provided  by  an  EBRPD  superintendent,  or  other  employee's 
residence  in  the  house,  in  place  of  the  present  caretaker  system. 

• 

CONCLUSIONS: 

The  Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  again  proposed  that  Ardenwood  be 
developed  to  its  unique  potential  in  affordable  phases  as  an  integrated  complex 
of  historically  oriented  components  with  Alameda  County  heritage  as  the  under 
lying  theme,  coordinated  by  its  legal  custodian,  with  advice  and  support  of 
M'ssion  Peak  Heritage  Foundation  and  other  interested  organizations.  That  it 
utilize  compatible  private  enterprise,  agencies,  and  ethnic  groups  to  develop 
its  functional  and  self-supporting  elements  for  the  recreational,  cultural,  and 
educational  enjoyment  of  the  tri-city  and  entire  bay  area.   Further,  that  this 
conplex  by  integrated  and  connected  to  Coyote  Hills  Regional  Park  and  Alameda 
Creek  Recreational  areas  by  trail  and  a  recreated  horsecar  railway  transportation 
system. 


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The  responsibility  for  preservation  and  proper  utilization  of  Ardenwood's 
potentia1  lies  with  the  City  of  Fremont.   It  should  be  Fremont's  mission  to  act 
as  coordinators  of  these  functions  or  to  guarantee  that  coordination  by  trans 
ferring  this  responsibf  1  ity  to  the  appropriate  agency.   The  Mission  Peak  Heritage 
Foundation  favors  the  placement  of  the  entire  165-200  acres  in  the  capable  and 
experienced  hands  of  the  EBRPD  for  overall  future  planning  and  management,  and 
pledges  it's  continued  cooperation  and  support. 


Robert  B.  Fisher,  MD  Chairman 
Mission  Peak  Heritage  Foundation 


262    Map  Of  Rancho  Portrero  de  los  Cerritos, 
included  in  1980  proposal 


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APPENDIX  A 


Laurence  W.    Milnes 
"Ardenwood  Regional   Preserve  and  the   City   of   Fremont" 

a   selection  from 


THE   MASTER   PLAN,    THE    PARK  ADVISORY    COMMITTEE,    AND   THE 
GROWTH   OF  THE   PARK  DISTRICT    IN   THE   SOUTH    COUNTY 


an  interview  with  Laurence  W. 
Milnes   conducted  in  1982  by 
Carole  Hicke   of  Oral  History 
Associates  for   the  East  Bay 
Regional   Park  District 


LAURENCE  W.    MILNES 
1988 


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INTERVIEW  HISTORY — Laurence  W.  Milnes 


Larry  Milnes,  as  assistant  manager  of  the  City  of  Fremont,  was  a  key 
figure  in  the  negotiations  which  led  to  the  creation  of  Ardenwood  Regional 
Preserve.  The  following  excerpt  from  his  1982  interview  for  an  oral  history 
project  on  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  District  gives  the  story  of  those 
negotiations  and  of  the  community  effort  to  plan,  prepare,  and  manage  the 
Ardenwood  site  as  a  historic  preserve.  It  has  been  included  in  this  volume 
with  the  permission  of  Mr.  Milnes  and  the  East  Bay  Regional  Park  District 
as  a  complement  to  the  interviews  of  John  Brooks  and  Robert  Fisher.  Following 
is  the  preface  to  the  1982  interview: 

PREFACE 


The  idea  for  an  oral  history  of  the  East  Bay  Regional 
Park  District  was  born  at  the  District's  45th  Birth 
day  Party  in  the  summer  of  1979.   Several  of  the 
guests,  Park  founders  and  longtime  Park  supporters, 
recalled  events  leading  up  to  the  formation  of  the 
District,  and  it  was  decided  that  it  was  important 
to  capture  the  variety  and  richness  of  their  recol 
lections.   Shortly  thereafter  the  District's  Board 
of  Directors  authorized  an  oral  history  project,  and 
in  early  1980  a  program  was  launched  to  interview 
Park  District  founders,  supporters,  employees,  and 
Directors. 

Mr.  Milnes  is  the  Assistant  City  Manager  for  the 
city  of  Fremont,  and  has  worked  diligently  to  pro 
vide  parks  and  recreation  for  the  city.   For  the 
East  Bay  Regional  Park  District,  he  chaired  the 
Public  Agency  Advisory  Committee  which  advised  the 
District  on  its  Master  Plan.   He  also  served  as 
Chairman  of  the  Park  Advisory  Committee,  which 
evolved  out  of  the  citizens'  role  in  the  Master 
Plan. 

Mr.  Milnes  was  interviewed  in  his  office  in  Fremont 
on  December  7,  1982.   He  carefully  reviewed  and 
corrected  the  transcript  of  the  tape-recorded 
interview. 

The  oral  history  project  was  conducted  by  Mimi  Stein, 
President  of  Oral  History  Associates,  a  firm  special 
izing  in  oral  and  written  histories. 


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Ardenwood  Regional  Preserve  and  the  City  of  Fremont 


Hicke:    Okay.   Since  we're  on  these  parks,  perhaps  you  can 
tell  me  the  story  of  Ardenwood  Regional  Preserve. 
That's  part  of  it. 

Milnes:   This  is  a  long  story.   Ardenwood  is  conceived  in 
the  Master  Plan  as  an  opportunity  to  develop  an 
historical  farm  park.   Ardenwood  consists  of  prime 
agricultural  land  and  has  been  farmed  for  years  as 
a  major  producer  of  truck  crops,  feeding  Bay  Area 
families.   It  has  long  been  recognized  as  being 
in  the  path  of  development. 

The  initial  view  the  city  had  in  its  Master 
Plan  was  that  the  significant  tree  stands  would 
be  preserved  as  a  part  of  a  park  of  some  sort. 
When  the  Park  District  Master  Plan  came  along 
the  Ardenwood  area  was  seen  as  possibly  preserved 
on  a  larger  scale  as  a  regional  facility.   Thus 
it  was  designated  in  the  Master  Plan.   The  Park 
District  gave  little  attention  to  the  acquisition 
of  this  land  in  its  early  acquisition  days.   Back 
in  about  the  time  that  the  Park  District  Master 
Plan  was  being  developed,  these  lands  were  acquired 
by  Singer  Housing  Company  with  the  expectation  of 
developing  it  into  homes. 

The  Fremont  City  Council,  on  recommendation 
by  its  Planning  Commission,  adopted  a  motion 
indicating  the  North  Plain  area  of  Fremont,  of 
which  Ardenwood  is  a  part,  should  be  preserved 
in  agriculture  for  a  period  of  at  least  10  years. 
The  feeling  on  the  part  of  the  Planning  Commission 
and  Council  was  the  area  was  not  really  ready  to 


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Milnes :   develop  —  the  city  was  not  in  a  position  to  provide 
services  to  it  at  that  time.   The  more  orderly 
planning  of  the  city  would  be  to  develop  on  an 
in-fill  basis  where  its  infrastructure  could  be 
used  more  efficiently. 

Singer  Housing  Company  and  other  property 
owners  filed  a  number  of  lawsuits  against  the  city 
because  of  this  intended  action  the  Council  had 
indicated.   The  lawsuits  tied  everything  up  for  a 
number  of  years.   Singer  Housing  Company  and  the 
city  had  made  a  number  of  attempts  at  settling  the 
lawsuits  between  the  two  parties.   They  had  all 
been  unsuccessful.   In  1976,  the  President  of 
Singer  Housing  Company  approached  the  City  Council 
and  proposed  that  John  Brooks,  former  President  of 
Singer  Housing  Company  serving  as  an  independent 
consultant  in  the  housing  field,  along  with  his 
other  activities,  represent  Singer  Housing  Company 
in  negotiation.   He  further  proposed  that  the  City 
Council  designate  one  of  its  council  members  to 
meet  with  Mr.  Brooks  for  the  two  individuals  to 
attempt  to  negotiate  a  settlement. 

The  council  asked  its  newest  and  just-elected 
council  member,  Tony  Azevedo,  to  represent  the  city. 
The  council's  reasons  for  selecting  Councilman 
Azevedo  were  that  he  was  a  new  face  on  the  council, 
had  not  been  involved  in  any  of  the  prior  council 
actions,  and  thus  might  be  able  to  bring  a  new 
and  fresh  look  to  the  negotiations.   Councilman 
Azevedo  agreed  to  accept  the  assignment  on  the 
condition  I  would  be  made  available  to  serve  with 
him  and  to  assist  him  in  those  negotiations. 

My  position  with  the  city  at  that  time  was 
as  Assistant  City  Manager  with  a  daily  working 
responsibility  of  community/economic  development 
manager.   Thus,  I  had  managerial  responsibility 
for  public  works,  planning,  and  economic  develop 
ment,  all  three  of  which  were  really  central  to 
the  settlement  issue. 

A  great  number  of  lengthy  meetings  were  held 
by  the  three  parties.   Out  of  those  meetings 
evolved  some  common  goals.   The  Singer  Housing 
Company  objective  was  to  subdivide  land  and  build 
houses.   The  city's  concern  included  the  preser 
vation  of  the  Patterson  house  and  significant 


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Milnes:   parts  of  the  Patterson  Ranch.   These  concerns 
interfaced  with  the  Park  District's  goal  of 
establishing  Ardenwood  Park  as  an  historical  farm 
park.   The  central  problem  was  unsolvable  in  a 
sense,  insofar  as  Singer  Housing  Company's  sub 
division  of  the  Patterson  Ranch  was  prevented  by 
the  city's  inability  to  provide  services  to  the 
Ranch  in  its  then-condition  and  location. 

Fire  protection  was  a  primary  concern.   The 
Dumbarton  Freeway  was  to  be  built.   The  fire 
department  by  policy  does  not  operate  its  fire 
fighting  equipment  on  freeways  for  the  reason  that 
there  is  too  great  a  potential  for  freeway  blockage. 
The  fire  equipment  then  could  be  stopped  in  the 
middle  of  a  traffic  jam  and  not  be  able  to  get  to 
the  fire.   Another  access  had  to  be  built  across 
the  freeway. 

All  of  these  concerns  then  fitted  into  a  very 
logical  and  potentially  workable  solution:  Singer 
owned  some  other  lands.   The  Patterson  family  owned 
other  lands  which,  if  they  were  in  the  hands  of 
Singer,  could  be  served  by  the  city  with  certain 
corrective  measures  being  taken.   One  of  these 
corrective  measures  included  building  a  new  bridge 
across  the  Nimitz  Freeway  for  the  Paseo  Padre 
Parkway.   Mr.  Brooks  had  a  close  relationship 
with  the  Pattersons,  approached  them,  and  proposed 
a  land  exchange  where  the  Pattersons  would  trade 
land  in  this  area,  which  could  potentially  be 
developed,  for  lands  which  Singer  owned  and  Singer 
had  previously  purchased  from  Patterson.   Patterson's 
goal  was  to  continue  farming. 

After  a  great  deal  of  analysis  by  Patterson 
and  Singer  and  by  the  city,  a  settlement  agree 
ment  evolved  whereby  Patterson  and  Singer 
exchanged  land.   Singer  then  gave  to  the  city  of 
Fremont  46  acres  of  land,  which  included  the 
Patterson  Queen  Anne  Victorian  house  and  the 
significant  groves  of  trees.   One  Hundred  Seventy 
Eight  acres  of  land  was  to  finally  evolve  under 
city  ownership  or  control;  46  acres  of  land  was 
a  direct  gift  by  Singer.   The  remaining  122  acres 
was  to  be  purchased  from  Singer  Housing  Company 
by  the  Fremont  Park  Facilities  Corporation,  a 
nonprofit  corporation. 


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Milnes:   It  was  agreed  the  purchase  price  would  be  at  fair 
market  value,  not  to  exceed  the  sum  of  $22,000 
per  acre.   The  $22,000  per  acre  figure  was  arrived 
at  by  John  Brooks  on  the  basis  of  his  valuation 
and  knowledge  of  land  values  as  a  reasonable  and 
fair  price  at  the  time  of  the  negotiation,  when 
this  plan  had  evolved.   It  turned  out  that  the 
fair  market  value  of  the  land  was  $28,000  for  the 
land  then  in  the  city  of  Fremont  and  about  $42,000 
for  the  land  involved  which  was  then  in  the  city 
of  Newark.   So  the  $22,000  was  an  extremely  fair 
and  reasonable  price. 

It  was  agreed  in  the  settlement  agreement 
that  Singer  Housing  Company  would  accept  the  bonds 
from  the  nonprofit  corporation.   The  bonds  were  to 
be  paid  out  over  a  period  of  20  years.   The 
interest  rate  was  to  be  1/2  percent  below  the 
market  interest  rate  for  tax-free  bonds;  it  was 
further  stipulated  in  the  agreement  the  principal 
and  interest  would  be  paid  strictly  from  proceeds 
to  the  city  collected  as  a  $200  per  dwelling  unit 
construction  tax  on  each  new  dwelling  constructed 
in  the  city  during  the  ensuing  20-year  period. 

A  further  provision  was  that   if  all  the 
bonds  were  not  paid  for  at  the  end  of  that  20- 
year  period,  that  is  if  there  were  insufficient 
funds  flowing  during  the  20-year  period,  through 
house  building  permits,  to  pay  the  principal 
and  interest,  then  at  the  end  of  the  20-year 
period  the  bonds  would  all  expire  and  there  would 
be  no  further  obligation  on  the  part  of  the  city 
or  the  corporation  to  pay  off  the  bonds. 

The  settlement  agreed  on  was  approved  by 
the  City  Council  and  by  Singer  and  has  in  fact 
been  put  into  action.   So  the  city  now  owns  46 
acres  of  that  land  and  has  a  long-term  lease 
on  the  balance.   It  was  agreed  in  all  of  the 
documents  the  city  could  transfer  its  interest 
by  lease  to  another  public  agency  such  as  the 
Park  District.   It  was  specified  that  one  of  the 
purposes  of  the  city's  acquiring  the  land  was  for 
Park  use  and  historical  preservation.   It  was 
contemplated  all  the  way  through  that  the  land 
ultimately  would  come  under  Park  District  domain 
as  a  regional  park.   That  has  in  fact  now  come 
to  pass. 


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Hicke:   Was  the  Park  District  involved  in  the  negotiations? 

Milnes:   The  Park  District  was  involved  to  a  minor  extent 
only.   One  of  the  solutions  searched  for  in  the 
settlement  process  was  to  try  to  develop  a  feasible 
plan  whereby  the  Park  District  might  be  able  to 
buy  the  land  instead  of  the  city  buying  it.   There 
was  interest  on  the  part  of  the  Park  District  to 
do  so  but  it  was  advised  not  to  by  Jack  Rogers, 
as  special  counsel  to  the  District  in  land 
acquisition,  for  the  reason  that  there  was  liti 
gation  pending  between  Singer  and  the  city  of 
Fremont.   He  was  concerned  that  if  the  Park 
District  involved  itself  in  any  way  in  negotiations, 
the  Park  District  through  some  means  or  other  might 
be  brought  into  the  lawsuit.   So  the  Park  District 
dropped  any  involvement,  but  certainly  continued 
to  maintain  its  interest  in  Ardenwood  Park  ulti 
mately  becoming  a  part  of  the  Park  District 
system. 

Hicke:    I  know  they're  all  very  excited  about  it. 

Milnes:   It's  a  tremendous  opportunity.   It's  going  to  be 
the  one  place  .in  the  Park  District,  and  really  in 
the  Bay  Area,  where  there  will  be  this  much  prime 
agricultural  land  used  as  a  working  farm.   And  it's 
assured  that  it's  going  to  be  there  for  future 
generations.   It's  a  place  where  young  people  and 
not-so-young  people  in  the  Bay  Area  can  come  and 
see  actual  working  demonstrations  of  farming  as 
it  was  done,  in  an  historical  sense  as  well  as  a 
modern  sense.   They  can  see  real  produce  grown. 
People  can  see  a  real  live  cow. 

Hicke:    Not  made  of  plastic. 

Milnes:   That's  right.   They  can  see  a  real  live  cow,  see 
where  milk  really  comes  from  and  see  real  live 
horses  tilling  the  soil.   They  can  also  see  black- 
smithing  demonstrations. 

Hicke:    You  mentioned  the  historic  eucalyptus  grove.   Are 
they  some  of  the  first  trees  planted  in  the  Bay 
Area,  or  why  are  they  historical? 

Milnes:   I'm  not  certain  they  were  the  first  eucalyptus 
trees  planted,  but  I  wouldn't  be  surprised  if 
they  were.   The  seeds  were  brought  over  from 
Australia. 


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Hicke:    For  those  actual  trees? 

Milnes:   Yes.   You  see,  Australia  is  really  the  home  of 
the  eucalyptus  tree,  and  the  seeds  were  brought 
over  from  Australia  for  the  purpose  of  planting 
eucalyptus  trees  to  be  used  for  furniture  making, 
as  a  source  of  wood  for  furniture.   That  did  not 
prove  to  be  feasible  because  eucalyptus  is  simply 
not  that  stable.   So  that  experiment  was  not 
successful,  but  they  did  then  continue  to  exist 
as  a  rather  significant  land  form  and  windbreak. 
It  is  really  quite  visible  right  here  from  the 
office.   If  you  look  right  out  here  where  you  see 
the  six  light  standards  at  the  football  field  at 
the  high  school,  beyond  it  you'll  see  this  distinct 
land  form  of  tall  eucalyptus  trees.   That  is 
Ardenwood  Park. 

Hicke:    I  see  it  very  clearly. 

Milnes:   The  tree  form  has  been  identified  in  the  city's 
general  plan  for  some  time.   One  of  the  goals  in 
the  North  Plain  area  is  to  retain  that  tree  form. 
And  there  will  be  trouble  for  anyone  who  wants  to 
destroy  it  and  not  replace  it  in  some  significant 
way. 

Hicke:    The  wind  brings  parts  of  them  crashing  down  but 
they  always  spring  up  again. 

Milnes:   The  Park  District  views  them  as  a  distinct 

liability,  although  they  seem  a  real  asset  in  an 
historical  sense  as  a  land  form  and  windbreak. 
But  from  the  standpoint  of  bringing  people  in, 
the  District  staff  says  that  it's  a  distinct 
liability.   The  Park  District  staff  refers  to  them 
as  "widow  makers . "   Some  of  them  do  have  the 
potential  of  branches  breaking  off  in  the  heat 
of  the  summer  as  well  as  the  high  winds  of  the 
winter. 

Another  feature  of  the  management  agreement 
was  the  public  hearings  on  the  resource  analysis 
and  land  use  development  plans  to  be  jointly 
conducted  by  the  Park  District  staff  and  the 
Fremont  Recreation  Commission.   A  by-product  of 
that  process  has  been  a  stimulation  of  interest 
in  Ardenwood  Park  by  two  members  of  the  commission: 


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Milnes:   one  is  John  Baker,  who  is  a  past  chairman  of 
the  commission,  and  another  is  Commissioner 
Robert  Pitcher. 

It's  fortuitous  perhaps  that  this  year, 
1982- '83,  each  of  these  two  people  serves 
independently  as  president  of  two  of  the  area's 
service  clubs.   John  Baker  is  President  of  the 
Fremont  Kiwanis  Club;  Robert  Pitcher  is  President 
of  the  Niles  Rotary  Club.   Through  their  interest 
along  with  that  of  another  resident,  Keith 
Medeiros,  who  is  President  of  the  Fremont  Rotary 
Club  —  and  Keith's  particular  interest  in 
historical  preservation  —  the  idea  has  evolved 
to  develop  a  tri-city  service  club  work  day  at 
Ardenwood  Park. 

Planning  is  going  on  right  now.   The 
expectation  is  that  on  May  14,  1983  there  will 
be  one  work  day  in  Ardenwood  Park  where  the 
service  clubs  of  the  tri-city  area  will  come 
together.   Each  of  them  will  be  working  on 
separate  projects.   Each  of  the  clubs  will  have 
made  varying  amounts  of  financial  contribution: 
buying  materials,  perhaps  renting  equipment  if 
necessary  for  their  particular  project.   There 
will  be  this  one  giant  work  day  with  perhaps 
200-300  community  leaders  who  are  in  the 
Kiwanis,  Lions,  Optimist,  Rotary,  and  Sorop- 
tomist  Clubs  of  these  three  cities  working  on 
grassroots  projects  to  start  to  put  the  park 
into  a  condition  where  the  Park  District  can 
then  carry  it  on  to  completion. 

This  will  be  a  one-year,  one-day  project, 
but  it  can  very  well  and  likely  will  lead  to 
subsequent  projects  either  by  individual  clubs 
or  simply  by  participation  on  some  sort  of 
voluntary  basis  by  individual  members  of  the 
community  who  are  stimulated  by  the  potential  of 
Ardenwood  Park.   This  club  project  is  seen  as  not 
only  a  great  opportunity  for  the  Park  District  to 
launch  its  improvement  of  Ardenwood  Park  with 
community  efforts  but  also  to  build  in  an  immediate 
constituency  of  supporters  for  the  park. 


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Milnes:   It  is  anticipated  that  the  media  will  be  involved; 
the  press  will  be  there,  television  stations  will 
be  reporting  on  this  massive  community  service 
project.   The  clubs  will  obviously  get  benefit 
from  it  in  that  they  will  be  able  to  have  some 
publicity  for  what  the  individual  clubs  have  done 
and  what  they  have  done  as  a  collective  effort. 

Hicke:    What  about  Alameda  Creek  Quarries? 

Milnes:   Alameda  Creek  Quarries  has  been  another  interest 
ing  evolution.   When  I  came  to  Fremont  in  1959, 
the  quarry  companies  were  hard  at  work  mining 
that  very  valuable  ore  with  no  end  in  sight  as 
to  when  the  effort  would  be  exhausted  and 
terminated.   Nonetheless,  the  city's  general  plan 
provided  for  the  area  to  be  an  open  space  recre 
ational  area  of  some  sort  at  some  time;  thus  the 
reason  for  including  the  quarry  lakes  in  the  Park 
District  Master  Plan.   It  was  seen  as  an  oppor 
tunity  for  an  inland  water  recreational  area. 

I  think  that  even  then  no  one  anticipated 
that  the  quarrying  would  stop  very  soon  and  the 
area  come  under  public  ownership.  Well,  it  has 
evolved,  as  I  indicated,  through  the  suggestion 
by  one  of  the  Citizens  Task  Force  members.  The 
District  has  now  acquired  close  to  500  acres  of 
land. 

The  next  task  is  to  get  a  Land  Use  Develop 
ment  Plan  prepared  for  it.   The  Park  District  has 
been  slow  about  getting  that  done.   Again  it  comes 
back  to  a  major  deficiency  that  this  area  suffers. 
The  area  does  not  have  a  "cadre  of  little  old 
ladies  in  tennis  shoes"  to  be  "squeaking"  before 
the  Board.   So  the  Park  District  has  done 
virtually  nothing  about  making  that  the  jewel  it 
can  be  in  the  Park  District  system. 

Out  of  fairness  to  the  Park  District,  I 
shouldn't  say  that  they've  done  nothing.   They 
have  a  lease  with  the  Alameda  County  Water  Dis 
trict  for  the  Shinn  Pond  and  a  lease  with  the 
City  of  Fremont  for  part  of  Fremont's  Niles 
Community  Park.   It  has  developed  some  fishing 
piers  and  facilities  in  the  Shinn  Pond.   It  also 
has  the  Kaiser  Pit  under  its  wing.   But  that's 
a  minor  part  of  the  potential  of  Alameda  Creek 
Quarries. 


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Milnes:   I've  expressed  to  the  District  staff  and  to  the 

Director  from  this  ward  the  importance  of  getting 
on  with  the  Land  Use  Development  Plan.   Fremont 
Central  Park  has  evolved  over  a  period  of  23 
years.   The  first  acquisition  was  made  in  1959: 
13  acres  in  the  Central  Park.   Through  a  combi 
nation  of  actions  of  leasing  land  from  the  flood 
control  district,  passing  bond  issues,  and 
incremental  improvement ,  it  has  now  developed 
to  where  it's  probably  two-thirds  improved.   The 
same  thing  can  happen  at  Alameda  Creek  Quarries, 
but  a  Land  Use  Development  Plan  must  be  adopted 
first.   Through  the  Park  District's  Master  Plan 
and  work  done  by  Overview  and  the  committees,  a 
park  planning  process  has  evolved  which  is  second 
to  none.   It  works.   It's  very  thorough.   It 
ensures  public  input.   It  ensures  a  full  evaluation 
of  resources  and  the  bringing  together  of  all 
these  into  a  meaningful  Land  Use  Development 
Plan.   With  a  Land  Use  Development  Plan,  park 
improvement  and  development  can  proceed  on  an 
orderly  basis  through  private  efforts,  through 
public  efforts,  through  grants. 


End  Tape  2,  Side  A 
Begin  Tape  2,  Side  B 


Milnes:   The  Park  District  staff  has  not  seen  fit  to  place 
a  sufficiently  high  priority  on  developing  a  Land 
Use  Development  Plan  for  the  Quarries  for  them  to 
have  undertaken  this  item  of  work.   The  tri-cities 
of  Fremont,  Newark,  and  Union  City  perhaps  have 
been  either  negligent  or  ineffective  in  convincing 
the  Park  District  this  needs  to  be  given  a  higher 
priority.   Hopefully  we  will  see  some  changes  in 
that  direction  in  future  months. 

The  success  of  and  extreme  popularity  of 
Fremont  Central  Park,  a  park  totally  owned  and 
developed  and  operated  by  Fremont,  demonstrates 
the  need  and  value  of  another  aquatic  oriented 
park  in  the  regional  park  system  in  this  area. 
The  Alameda  Creek  Quarries  has  the  potential  and 
the  purpose  of  serving  that  role.   Meanwhile,  in 
the  absence  of  the  Park  District  carrying  out  its 


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Milnes:   responsibilities  at  the  quarry  lakes,  the  city  of 

Fremont  is  finding  itself  in  the  position  of 

providing  a  regional  facility,  in  effect,  doing 
what  the  Park  District  should  be  doing. 

Here  is  another  example  of  this  area  not 
getting  its  fair  share  of  Park  District  resources. 
The  Park  District  has  made  good  strides  in  this 
area.   I  don't  want  to  sound  like  they  have  been 
totally  negligent,  but  I'm  afraid  the  absence  of 
the  cadre  of  people  constantly  bringing  this  area 
before  the  Park  District  means  the  area  is  suffer 
ing  and  falling  behind  some  of  the  other  areas: 
Claremont  Canyon  is  an  example  of  major  District 
expenditure  under  pressure  of  a  local  constituency. 

Hicke:    I  think  that  the  Park  District  at  least  recognizes 
this,  because  Mr.  Trudeau  mentioned  how  much  the 
people  of  the  city  of  Fremont  had  done  in  contri 
buting  to  the  park  system  particularly  in  respect 
to  Ardenwood.   You  mentioned  this  just  briefly 
and  actually  alluded  to  it  earlier:  the  requirement 
for  different  kinds  of  parks  for  each  area,  such  as 
recreation,  wilderness,  that  sort  of  thing.   How 
are  we  coming  as  far  as  Fremont?  Would  Alameda 
Creek  Quarries  be  the  recreational  one? 

Milnes:   Yes.   Alameda  Creek  Quarries  would  be  in  the 
regional  recreation  category. 

Hicke:    So  that  would  be  the  most  higly  developed  of 
these.   What  about  Mission  Peak? 

Milnes:   Mission  Peak  is  a  regional  preserve.   It  is 

strictly  a  regional  preserve,  a  pristine  part 
of  the  Park  District  system.   People  are  certainly 
encouraged  to  use  it  but  not  abuse  it.   There  will 
be  no  significant  development. 

Hicke:    Ardenwood  would  be  similar  to  Black  Diamond  Mines 
Regional  Preserve? 

Milnes:   Ardenwood  would  be  in  a  category  of  its  own,  in 
the  sense  that  Ardenwood  is  not  foreseen  as  an 
intensive,  active,  recreational  area.   It's  more 
of  a  passive  learning  experience.   Certainly  there 
would  be  recreational  facilities;  I've  encouraged 
in  the  Land  Use  Development  Plan  for  that  park 


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Milnes: 


Hicke: 
Milnes 


Hicke: 
Milnes; 


that  they  recreate  the  kinds  of  recreational 
facilities  that  the  Pattersons  had.   As  an 
example,  there  is  a  drawing  of  the  Patterson 
Ranch  in  the  1868  Alaraeda  County  Atlas  which 
shows  a  very,  very  tall  swing  in  the  garden. 


So 


I  would  hope  that  kind  of  swing  could  be  repli 
cated. 

That's  a  marvelous  idea. 

I  want  to  see  picnic  facilities  in  there,  not  so 
that  it  becomes  a  park  where  large  groups  go  to 
have  a  picnic  as  they  do  here  at  Central  Park, 
but  where  a  family  can  go  for  a  family  outing. 
They  can  take  their  lunch.   There  can  be  play 
facilities,  so  that  the  youngsters  who  may  not 
really  be  interested  in  watching  black smith ing 
can  play  in  a  sandbox,  on  a  swingset,  or  on  a 
slide.   They  can  have  their  picnic  and  really 
make  a  day  of  the  farm  experience. 

They  should  have  sarsaparilla  instead  of  Coca 
Cola. 

Right.   So  that's  really  what  I  conceive  for 
Ardenwood  Park.   I  think  we  have  done  a  very 
wise  thing  here  at  Ardenwood  Park  with  the 
management  agreement  with  the  Park  District. 
We  have  provided  for  two  separate  advisory 
bodies :  one  is  the  Patterson  House  Advisory 
Board.   The  city  retains  the  ownership  of  the 
Patterson  House.   The  Park  District  does  not 
want  it.   The  Patterson  House  Advisory  Board 
has  a  Park  District  representative  as  a  member. 
This  Board  will  be  responsible  for  the  restor 
ation  and  operation  of  the  house.   The  house  can 
be  used  in  the  interpretive  department  of  the 
Park  District  through  arrangements  with  the 
Board . 

The  other  is  an  Ardenwood  Park  Advisory 
Committee.   That  committee  will  have  four  repre 
sentatives  appointed  by  the  city  of  Fremont  and 
one  each  by  the  city  of  Newark,  the  city  of  Union 
City,  and  the  Park  District.   The  Park  District 
representative  would  be  the  District  Director 
representing  this  area.   The  purpose  of  this 
committee  is  to  work  as  an  advisory  group  to 
the  Park  District  in  carrying  out  the  Land  Use 
Development  Plan,  carrying  out  the  operation 


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Milnes:   and  reporting  to  the  city  of  Fremont  on  what's 
happening.   And  it  is  also  to  serve  as  a  cadre 
of  advocates  to  keep  the  Ardenwood  Park  in  the 
forefront  of  the  minds  of  the  District  people. 
The  District  will  be  constantly  reminded  it  has 
this  facility,  has  responsibility  for  it,  and 
should  carry  out  the  development. 

One  other  point  that  should  be  recorded  in 
terms  of  Ardenwood  Park  is  the  primary  stimulus 
which  led  to  the  negotiation  and  adoption  of  the 
management  agreement  with  the  Park  District. 
There  was  an  interest  expressed  by  Saratoga 
Horticultural  Foundation  in  finding  a  new  site. 
In  their  search,  they  looked  at  Fremont,  heard 
of  Ardenwood  Park,  and  were  quite  impressed  with 
Ardenwood  Park.   They  expressed  a  real  interest 
in  leasing  some  or  all  of  Ardenwood  Park  from  the 
city  for  the  Foundation's  use. 

The  city  owned  Ardenwood  Park,  and  there  was 
a  need  to  get  on  with  doing  something  about  and 
with  it.   The  Park  District  was  concerned  with 
other  problems  and  really  was  not  getting  around 
to  a  serious  negotiation  for  the  park.   With 
Saratoga's  interest,  then,  the  Park  District's 
interest  was  elevated  to  a  new  level.   There  was 
a  sense  of  urgency.   There  was  a  series  of  meet 
ings,  and  out  of  it  all  came  the  conclusion  by 
Saratoga  that  joint  occupancy  by  Saratoga  and 
the  Park  District  would  not  work  out  to  Saratoga's 
interest.   They  then  backed  away  from  it.   Good 
purposes  had  been  served,  however.   The  Park 
District's  attention  had  been  directed  to  it,  and 
we  were  able  to  proceed  in  developing  an  appro 
priate  management  agreement. 


end  of  excerpt  on  Ardenwood 


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APPENDIX  B 


William  D.    Patterson 


THE   ALAMEDA   COUNTY  WATER  DISTRICT.    1914-1955 


an  interview   conducted  in 

1955  by  John  Caswell   for   the 

Alameda  County  Water  District 


William  D.  Patterson 
1940s 


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INTRODUCTION 

In  July  1955  the  writer  was  commissioned  to  write  a  history 
of  the  Alameda  County  Water  District,  the  oldest  county  water 
district  in  California.   Only  one  member  of  the  original  Board 
that  was  organized  in  1914  remained.   That  member  was  William  D. 
Patterson.   He  had  served  continuously  since  1914,  and  had  been 
President  of  the  Board  from  1932  to  195  .  During  his  presidency 
he  was  the  actual  administrative  head  of  the  organization,  conduct 
ing  most  negotiations  regarding  policy  or  involving  other  organiza 
tions  personally.   Ue  was  also  first  president  of  the  Alameda  County 
Flood  Control  and  Water  Conservation  District,  an  organization 
created  in  1949  under  entirely  different  legislative  authority.  At 
the  time  of  the  interviews  he  was  president  of  the  Flood  Control 
District  and  a  director  of  the  Jtlameda  Water  District. 

The  first  interview  was  conducted  at  his  home  on  Ranoho  Potrero 
de  Los  Cerritos;  the  second  interview  was  conducted  at  the  writer's 
home  in  Palo  Alto,   Mr.  Patterson  had  had  the  opportunity  to  refresh 
his  memory  by  reference  to  abstracts  of  the  Minutes  prepared  by  the 
writer,  except  for  the  five  years  after  August  1949.   Page  references 
in  the  second  interview  refer  to  these  abstracts,  a  copy  of  which  is 
filed  in  the  office  of  the  District. 

Mr.  Patterson  displayed  a  memory  for  the  significant  features 
of  a  host  of  transactions  that  a  man  twenty  years  his  Junior  might 
wet.],  envy.   Not  a  few  questions  were  trivial  in  themselves,  but  de 
signed  to  help  the  writer  grasp  the  whole  picture.  Mr.  Patterson 
answered  the  small  as  well  as  the  great. 

The  interviews  were  recorded  on  a  Webcor  tape  recorder.   In 
transcribing,  the  questioner's  interjections  were  normally  omitted, 
as  were  false  starts.   The  transcript  was  then  gone  over  by  both 
parties,  Mr.  Patterson  adding  clarifying  detail  at  a  number  of  points. 


John  E.  Caswell 


Palo  Alto,  California 
August  20,  1955 


The  1955  interview  with  William  D.  Patterson  is  reprinted  in  this  volume  with 
the  permission  of  the  Patterson  heirs,  the  Alameda  County  Water  District,  and  The 
Bancroft  Library. — Ed. 


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THE  ALAMEDA  COUNTY  WATER  DISTRICT 

By  W.  D.  Patterson,  Member  of  the  original  Board 
of  Directors,  as  told  to  John  E.  Caswell. 
Interview  I,  August  4,  1955. 

Formation  cif  the  District 

Q.  Here  is  a  oopy  of  the  letter  I  wrote  you,  and  a  oopy  of 
my  abstract  of  the  Minutes.  What  about  picking  out  some  of  the 
questions  you  would  like  to  talk  about  that  I  asked  in  the  letter, 
and  then  thumb  through  the  outline  of  the  Minutes  and  see  what  seems 
worthy  of  comment.  Perhaps  first,  what  about  telling  me  what  eras 
you  see  in  the  history  of  the  District. 

A.  There  was  of  course  the  first  era,  when  the  main  problem 
was  struggling  to  gat  the  Spring  Valley  Water  Co.  to  put  sufficient 
water  down  into  the  gravel  strata  underlying  the  surface.  These  strata 
form  our  great  storage  reservoir  for  conserving  otherwise  waste  flood 
waters  of  Alameda  Creek. 

Q.  And  then  there  was  a  time  when  you  started  undertaking  some 
pumping.   Later  on  you  bought  distribution  works  [note  correction 
to  this  idea],  finally  you  bought  the  Alvarado  pumping  plant  and 
started  pumping  yourselves.   I  haven't  gone  through  all  the  periods 
when  you  made  some  major  development  in  the  operation.  What  ones 
would  you  think  were  the  major  steps? 

A.  I  think  that  in  order  to  get  a  complete  picture  one  would 
have  to  start  back  in  1910  or  1911  before  the  formation  of  the  Dis 
trict,  because  the  formation  of  the  District  was  the  result  of  what 
Mr.  Runckel  saw  was  coming  about  because  of  conditions  that  were 
growing  up  at  thafe  time.   My  brother  and  I  forewaw  that  coming  also, 
because  of  our  farming  operations  near  the  Bay.   We  discussed  this 


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for  a  number  of  years  when  we  beard  that  the  Spring  Valley  was  going 
to  put  up  the  Calaveras  Dam,  and  what  It  would  mean  to  have  the 
water  shut  off  from  our  ranch.  We  had  started  about  1900  to  put  In 
levees  around  an  area  of  about  200  acres  of  salt  marsh,  first  to  keep 
out  the  tide  water  and  secondly  to  check  the  floods  which  spilled  out 
of  Alameda  Creek  and  over  the  country  In  times  of  high  flood  and  were 
building  up  the  soil  as  a  delta  near  the  Bay  shore. 

This  water  went  out  through  a  gap  In  the  Coyote  hills,  and  by 
putting  a  levee  around  this  area,  we  hoped  to  check  the  flow  of  water 
and  thus  allow  the  sediment  to  settle  and  build  up  the  soil.  We  had 
noticed  this  was  happening  naturally,  and  we  were  trying  to  speed  up 
the  process.   When  the  project  of  putting  up  the  Calaveras  Dam  came 
up,  we  saw  that  it  would  take  away  a  large  part  of  the  flow  of  Alameda 
Creek.  Even  though  the  water  were  -released,  the  special  benefits  would 
be  lost  to  us,  for  the  sediment  would  settle  in  the  reservoir.  Wo 
consulted  our  attorney  for  some  time  and  decided  to  take  action  when 
the  first  measures  were  taken  to  build  the  dam.  I  think  it  was  in 
1911,  when  the  Spring  Valley  had  shown  that  it  intended  to  go  ahead 
building  the  dam.  We  sent  a  warning  notice  to  them  saying  that  we 
would  object  to  the  diversion  of  the  flow. 

Mr.  Chris  Runokel,  who  was  editor  of  the  Washington  Press,  was 
a  very  forward-looking,  broad  minded  sort  of  a  person.   He  had  been 
agitating  In  his  paper,  as  well  as  talking  personally  to  a  number 
of  the  interested  landowners^,  of  the  danger  to  the  territory  as  a 
whole  that  he  foresaw.   He  got  the  idea  of  forming  a  protective  dis 
trict,  and  he  got  a  number  of  the  landowners  of  the  area  to  get  to 
gether  voluntarily  end  attempt  to  form  a  protective  district.   He 


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personally  got  aotion  through  the  Legislature  in  1913  for  the  forma 
tion  of  a  new  type  of  district  which  would  have  the  powers  necessary 
to  defend  the  rights  of  the  community.  That  went  under  the  name  of 
the  County  Water  District  Act. 

Immediately  after  the  Legislature  passed  that  bill,  he  got  this 
Committee,  which  had  been  formed,  to  go  ahead  and  organize  under  this 
County  Water  District  Act.  That  became  the  first  County  Water  Dis 
trict  of  the  state.  It  was  named  the  Alameda  County  Water  District. 
That  caused  a  lot  of  confusion  because  it  is  assumed  that  it  is  a 
water  district  under  the  control  of  the  county.  It  happened  that  it 
was  named  for  Alameda  Creek.   It  would  be  more  accurate,  except  that 
it  is  so  cumbersome,  to  call  it  the  Alameda  Creek  Watershed  County 
Water  District. 

That  Committee  was  composed  of  six  members.  There  were  to  be 
five  directors  under  the  Courtty Water  District  Act.   One  of  the 
commit tae  members  was  interested  in  a  gravel  works  at  Nilas,  and  was 
also  engaged  in  some  litigation  [with  the  Spring  Valley  Water  Company] 
already.   We  thought  that  there  might  be  some  conflict  of  interests, 
so  the  other  five  were  elected  as  the  first  formal  directors  of  the 
District  in  the  spring  of  1914. 

Why  Runokel  was  not  a_  Director 

Q.  How  was  it  that  Runckel  was  not  made  one  of  the  Directors? 
A.  That  is  quite  a  long  story.   It  was  realized  that  he  was 
being  persecuted  by  special  interests.  That  brings  in  a  political 
angle.   He  was  very  unpopular  with  the  vested  interests,  because  he 
was  attacking  them.  He  was  almost  a  radical.  He  was  very  liberal. 
He  was  even  too  liberal-minded  for  some  of  us,  but  it  was  necessary 


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to  have  a  man  like  that  or  nothing  would  ever  have  been  done.  He  was 
an  agitator  and  kept  things  going.  lie  wao  persecuted  all  the  way 
through. 

Q.  Do  you  know  why  the  County  gang  pioked  him  to  be  an  editor 
when  he  turned  against  them  so  quickly? 

A.  I  think  it  was  to  try  to  win  him  over.   They  figured  that  he 
would  be  susceptible  to  influence,  but  he  was  one  of  these  rugged 
individualists  that  gave  in  to  no  one  or  to  any  influence.  They 
tried  to  starve  him  out.  He  stuck  it  out  and  in  so  doing  practically 
starved  for  &  while.   He  was  supported  by  contributions  of  many  peo 
ple  in  the  area.  He  lived  through  it,  and  finally  saw  the  result  of 
his  work.  He  was,  I  think,  the  one  who  was  responsible  for  the  suc 
cess  of  the  District.   He  was  persecuted,  but  was  strong  enough  to 
stand  up  to  it  and  become  the  real  spark  plug  of  the  organization. 

Shinn.  the  first  Board  President 

Q.  What  sort  of  a  man  was  Mr.  Shim:? 

A.  He  was  a  very  conscientious  man.   He  had  interests  in  Alameda 
Creek  in  that  the  Shinns  had  large  properties  bordering  the  creek. 
His  father  had  been  compelled  like  other  riparian  owners  to  sell  out 
their  riparian  ownership  rights.   The  Spring  Valley  had  the  right  of 
eminent  domain,  and  threatened  them  with  condemnation.  The  riparian 
owners  from  Niles  Canyon  to  the  Bay  had  finally  to  take  the  price 
offered  by  the  Spring  Valley,  and  it  was  mostly  through  private  ar 
rangement.   I  think  there  were  no  suits  carried  through  to  a  conclu 
sion,  but  it  was  known  that  they  would  lose  In  a  condemnation  suit, 
so  they  got  the  best  price  they  could  and  their  riparian  rights  were 
lost. 


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Riparian  rights  extinguished 

Q.  In  view  of  the  price  level  at  that  time,  was  the  settlement 
reasonably  fair,  or  was  it  a  pretty  tough  settlement? 

A.  It  was  reasonably  fair,  I  would  think*  That  was  a  little 
before  my  time.  As  to  actual  riparian  rights,  they  were  fair  enough 
as  of  that  time*  The  landowners  didn't  know,  of  oourse,  that  the 
water  table  would  be  sinking  and  that  they  would  get  into  suoh  a 
condition  as  they  are  now. 

From  surplus  to  shortage 

In  a  good  many  cases,  such  as  ours  down  here  and  all  around 
Alvarado,  the  lowering  of  the  water  table  was  making  the  land.   It 
was  a  problem  of  getting  rid  of  excess  water.  The  land  around  here 
was  swampy.  There  were  many  ditches  dug  to  lead  the  water  off,  so 
this  lower  country  had  no  reason  to  oppose  the  cutting  off  of  the 
water  from  up  above,  and  was  glad  to  get  a  little  money  and  to  get 
rid  of  the  water,  as  well.... 

In  the  1890s,  I  would  say  that  the  condition  was  one  of  too 
much  water  in  this  lower  country.  There  was  some  need  for  irrigation 
around  Niles,  inasmuch  as  there  was  the  "Washington-Murray  Township 
Ditch  Association,"  a  local  organization  formed  many  years  before  to 
distribute  water.  That  was  a  condition  of  about  balance  of  water 
supply.   After  1900  there  began  to  be  indications  that  water  would 
be  needed.   Then  from  1910  on  was  the  period  of  lowering  water  tables. 
Irrigation  had  begun,  by  that  time,  because  we  were  going  from  the 
hay  and  grain  era  into  that  of  vegetables,  starting  with  sugar  beets. 
With  alfalfa  and  other  crops  coming  in,  there  was  a  growing  demand 
for  water  for  surface  irrigation.  Also,  the  lowering  of  the  water 
table,  which  had  shown  at  Nlles,  had  drawn  water  away  from  the  roots 


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of  the  orohards,  which  before  that  had  not  needed  more  than  they 
hfid  got  from  natural  percolation. 

Q.  Were  quite  a  few  orchards  loat? 

A.  No,  as  far  as  I  know,  there  waa  a  loss  of  production  and 
deterioration  of  trees,  but  no  aotual  loss  of  orchards. 

Q.  Between  1910  and  the  present,  has  the  orchard  area  grown  or 
diminished? 

A,  The  orchard  area  has  grown  with  the  development  of  irriga 
tion.  The  irrigation  has  been  increased  by  means  of  pumping.  The 
pumping  has  caused  further  lowering  of  the  water  table,  but  land 
owners  have  followed  that  down  with  deeper  pumps. 

[The  Shinn  family  had  the  first  nursery  in  the  area,  on  a 
property  adjoining  the  California  Nursery  Company.] 

Further  identifioation  of  the  Board  members 

Mr.  Trenouth  was  an  orchardist  from  Irvington.  He  had  a  walnut 
orchard  and  other  property.   Stevenson  had  large  properties  near 
Centerville.   He  raised  grain  and  sugar  beets.   He  was  a  farmer,  the 
same  as  we  here,  and  our  products  were  a  good  deal  the  same,  except 
that  we  have  never  been  in  the  orchard  business.  We  have  kept  in  the 
more  diversified  farming  on  this  ranch.  Kmanuel  George  waa  mostly 
orchardist  from  the  Alviso  district.  The  Directors  were  scattered 
so  cs  to  cover  the  territory  better.   Mr.  William  Ford  of  the 
original  group  dropped  out  because  his  Interests  might  become  adverse 
to  the  District.   He  was  about  to  sue  the  Spring  Valley  Company  beoaus 
the  stopping  of  the  floods  would  prevent  the  renewal  of  the  gravel 
deposits  on  his  property  and  that  was  entirely  outside  the  Interests 
of  the  District  as  a  whole. 


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The  Early  Staff 

I  knew  Judge  Nourse  at  Stanford.  He  was  a  olass  ahead  of  me. 
We  played  football  together.  I  was  '04.  He  may  have  been  '02  and 
taking  graduate  work.  The  Directors  accepted  ny  recommendation  and 
asked  him  to  serve  as  attorney.  I  think  he  felt  It  would  have  to  b« 
temporary,  and  he  finally  did  feel  that  It  was  necessary  for  him  to 
withdra\7  as  he  was  appointed  Superior  Judge  In  San  Francis oo. 

When  he  withdrew,  Chris  Runckel  knew  George  Clark  very  favorably. 
He  was  a  partner  of  Congressman  Blston,  and  he  had  had  considerable 
experience  and  Interest  in  water  matters.  He  became  attorney  from 
then  on  until  recently,  when  his  health  failed  after  long  and  able 
service. 

Cyril  Williams,  Jr.,  becane  engineer  for  the  district.   He  had 
done  some  work  for  us  [Pattersons]  in  preparing  material  for  our  im 
pending  suit.  The  Water  District  took  him  as  their  engineer  also, 
because  there  were  probably  going  to  be  the  two  parallel  suits,  and 
we  wanted  to  merge  the  interests  for  mutual  efficiency  and  economy. 

Suits  against  Spring  Valley  Water  Company 

In  the  meantime  we  had  made  a  formal  complaint  and  that  grew 
into  a  suit,  Patterson  vs.  Spring  Valley  Water  Company,  in  which  the 
District  Joined.  The  District  was  not  interested  in  the  "flood  water 
phase"  of  our  suit  so  the  two  had  to  be  kept  separated.   The  suit 
came  to  a  head  in  1916,  after  a  lot  of  legal  formalities. 

In  1916  the  Spring  Valley  Company  approached  us  and  the  Water 
District  for  an  arbitration  agreement.  After  considerable  negotia 
tion  we  agreed  to  go  into  It,  using  the  personnel  of  the  State  Water 
Commission.  The  Water  Commission  did  not  want  to  act  officially,  and 


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it  was  agreed  that  they  should  be  arbitrators  as  a  group.  That  was 
the  beginning  of  the  attempt  at  compromise, 

<4.  In  the  dry  years  immediately  after  the  award  was  made,  it  was 
felt  that  the  Bailey  Formula  was  quite  unfair  to  the  District.  Look 
ing  baok  on  it  over  the  entire  period  that  it  has  been  in  force,  do 
you  think  that  the  Bailey  formula  worked  out  fairly  well? 

A.  I  think  it  worked  out  fairly  well  as  far  as  its  intent  is 
concerned.  We  found  out  that  during  the  dry  years  the  District  got 
the  Advantage,  while  in  the  wet  years  the  advantage  -we s  with  the  Com 
pany.  That  was  the  conclusion  we  came  to,  but  that  was  not  the  com 
plaint  of  the. Water  District  at  all. 

The  verdict  took  the  attitude  that  all  that  was  required  of  an 
appropriating  concern--water  user--was  that  it  not  interfere  with 
present  conditions.  The  conditions  as  of  that  time  were  such  that 
there  was  a  limited  amount  of  water  from  each  winter's  runoff  from 
the  watershed  that  was  absorbed  into  the  gravels... .The  Bailey  Formula 
was  very  complicated,  but  it  took  into  consideration  the  actual  storm 
periods  of  the  winter.  It  took  into  consideration  such  things  as 
temperature.  When  temperature  is  high,  water  flows  more  freely 
through  gravel.  If  a  storm  occurred  during  a  time  of  high  tempera 
ture,  we  would  get  a  larger  allotment... .It  was  a  very  fine-spun 
idea,  but  quite  correct,  I  think.  But  the  point  was  that  it  didn't 
allow  for  the  controlling  works  that  we  were  starting  to  put  in  to 
get  additional  water.   The  decision  was  that  we  were  entitled  to  get 
this  surplus  water  that  belonged  to  no  one,  but  it  did  not  take  into 
consideration  the  fact  that  the  Spring  Valley  had  all  of  the  storage 
reservoir  areas  under  their  ownership.   That  shut  us  out  and  gave 
them  the  power  to  shut  off  practically  all  of  the  flow  of  Alameda 


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Creek.  We  thought  we  were  entitled  to  future  use  aa  well,  and  to 
a  proportion  of  that  surplus  water. 

Q,.  In  other  words,  In  building  Calaveraa  Dam,  they  had  appro 
priated  all  future  use. 

A.  Yea.  And  also  had  bought  the  reservoir  sites  on  other  trlbu- 

s 

taries,  so  there  was  nothing  left  that  had  economic  value. 

Q.  Hns  the  City  of  San  Francisco  Insisted  on  maintaining  all  the 
Is  gal  rights  of  the  old  Spring  Valley  Company? 

A.  They  have  not  given  up  any  of  the  legal  rights,  but  they  have 
been  vary  friendly  and  very  liberal  In  their  Interpretation  of  those 
rights.  They  hove  been  generous  with  us  and  we  hove  cooperated  with 
them.  TThen  they  have  been  In  a  Jam  wo  have  given  them  water  to  be 
repaid,  and  when  they  repaid,  they  repaid  It  with  a  lot  more  than 
they  took,  so  we  have  no  complaint  against  the  past  actions  of  San 
Francisco. ... 

Alvarado  Annexed 

Q.  I  have  noted  that  Alvarado  was  at  first  left  out  of  the 
district  and  later  taken  In. 

A.  Yes.  That  was  because  Mr.  Williams,  who  was  a  very  careful 
engineer,  didn't  want  to  lay  claim  to  any  greater  percolation  area 
than  he  could  prove  In  court.  He  had  not  had  time  to  make  a  thorough 
study  of  the  Alvarado  area  then.   When  he  extended  his  study  to  that 
area,  he  found  unquestioned  proof  that  that  was  affected  very  directly. 
In  fact,  he  found  that  the  gravels  were  affected  by  the  shutting  off 
of  the  flow  about  ten  nilas  father  north,  as  far  as  San  Leandro. 
There  Is  a  slight  effect  from  the  next  creek  north,  but  primarily  In 
the  upper  gravels.  The  deep  gravels  are  affected  most  by  Alameda 
Creek  and  secondarily  by  Coyote  Creek.   He  almost  proved  that  Coyote 


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Creek  gravels  mingle  with  Alameda  Creek  gravels  at  great  depth, 

and  also  with  gravels  aoross  the  Bay  around  Palo  Alto.  Studies  show 

that  they  are  connected  in  some  way, 

Salt  Water  Intrusion 

Q.  After  the  water  situation  began  to  improve  somewhat,  around 
1920,  did  that  enable  the  farmers  to  go  in  more  for  row  crops — vege 
tables? 

A.  I  think  it  must  have  had  aome  effect.  I  think  the  effect 
as  to  row  crops  was  more  the  increasing  market  for  them.  You  could 
always  get  water  if  you  went  deep  enough.   We  have  never  been  out  of 
water,  but  it  became  more  expensive  to  get.   The  losses  that  have 
occurred  in  the  way  of  lack  of  water,  or  lack  of  usable  water — the 
salt  sea  water  intrusion  from  the  Bay... has  put  out  of  use  hundreds 
of  wells  in  the  area.   Some  of  them  could  not  be  replaced  because 
they  did  not  have  deeper  underlying  gravel  strata  to  go  after. 

Q.  Roughly  what  proportion  of  the  area  of  the  district  is  at 
present  affected  by  salt  water  intrusion? 

A*  The  intrusion  has  cone  up  to  very  roughly  the  line  of  High 
way  17,  Alvarado-Centerville-Irvington,  with  the  addition  of  local 
intrusion  around  Centerville. 

ti.  That  would  be  close  to  2/3  of  the  district,  wouldn't  it? 

A.  UTell,  if  you  include  the  salt  marshes,  yes.   But  it  wouldn't 
be  quite  half  the  area  of  the  producing  land.  But  that  is  not  a 
total  loss,  because  in  many  of  these  areas  that  are  lost  to  salt 
intrusion  in  the  shallow  gravels  you  can  go  through  the  shallow 
gravels  and  cement  them  off  and  go  down  to  the  deeper  gravels.   In 
this  area  from  Highway  17  down,  as  a  rough  rule  of  thumb  you  can 


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figure  there  is  a  olay  stratum  between  the  shallow  and  next  deeper 
gravels  of  nearly  100  feet,  and  that  olay  is  impervious,  practically. 
There  are  a  few  oases  where  the  water  does  get  through  in  sandy  lenses 
end  more  particularly  through  old-time  wells  that  have  rusted  through 
and  are  transferring  salt  water  to  lower  levels* 

Q.  Now  if  you  go  from  the  first  gravels  at  perhaps  forty  feet 
to  a  hundred  feet  farther  on,  don't  you  about  triple  your  electric 
bill  for  pumping? 

A.  No,  because  the  water  table  is  the  same  for  the  different 
gravel  strata.  They  have  the  same  pressure  head.  They  merge  toward 
the  head  of  the  Cone.   Around  Niles  you  get  practically  no  clay,  so 
the  head  is  about  the  same  regardless  of  the  depth  of  the  wells. 
The  lowering  of  the  general  water  table  is  what  counts, 

People's  Water  Company 

Q.  Do  you  recall  the  old  People's  V/ater  Company?  Do  you  recall 
what  areas  they  sold  to? 

A,  They  sold  to  Alvarado  and  the  Mt.  Eden  area,  both  of  which 
were  on  their  main.   They  had  a  30"  main,  I  think  it  was,  running 
from  Alvarado  in  to  Oakland,  and  through  their  ownership  of  another 
company  they  were  also  serving  Newark  through  a  well  system.   I  think 
it  was  the  old  United  Porperties  Company.  That  old  company  was  broken 
up  at  the  time  of  the  first  World  War.   They  went  into  bankruptcy — 
were  all  broken  up,  anyway. 

United  Properties  Company 

Q,.  Was  United  Properties  mainly  a  development  scheme  for  indus 
trial  or  agricultural  property? 

A.  It  was  a  combination  of  Tevls,  Hanford  and  "Borax"  Smith 
interests  to  develop  the  whole  belt  of  country  between  Oakland  and 


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San  Jose,  and  they  had  started  buying  properties  along  the  line  of 
an  electric  railway  that  they  were  going  to  put  in.  The  United 

• 

Properties  Company  part  of  it  was  buying  large  tracts  of  land  that 
would  benefit  by  the  development. 

<<.  Was  Tevis  an  eastern  firm? 

A.  Mo.  that  was  Lloyd  Tevis,  a  San  Francisco  capitalist,  and 
"Borax"  Smith,  the  old  Twenty  Mule  Team  borax  man.  They  were  wealthy 
families.   Hanford  and  Tevis  were  interested  in  the  San  Joaquin 
Valley,  too.   They  had  big  tracts  there.   The  Henry  Miller  estate 
and  the  Hanford-Tevis  group  were  rivals  in  the  San  Joaquin. 

•4.  Did  the  electric  railroad  get  down  here,  or  did  the  World 
Wer  stop  it? 

A.  It  stopped  it.  The  financing  which  was  going  on  actively 
at  that  time  was  stopped  Immediately  by  the  outbreak  of  the  War,  and 
the  firms  were  committed  to  such  an  extent  that  they  were  broken  up 
and  took  great  losses. and  gave  up  these  schemes  that  were  being  startec 

Local  Water  Companies 

M..  I  have  noticed  that  almost  every  little  town  at  one  point 
had  a  water  company  in  it.   Were  these  tied  together  by  a  syndicate, 
or  were  they  financed  by  local  men? 

A.  They  were  local  men,  all  of  then,  I  think,  except  these 
I  speak  about.  ... 

Calaveras  Dam  Collapse 

Q.  What  happened  when  the  Calaveras  Darn  collapsed?  Did  it 
do  a  good  bit  of  damage  to  the  district,  or  was  there  not  enough 
water  behind  it? 


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A.  It  was  Just  a  fortunate  circumstance  that  the  dam  slid  out 
through  having  an  Improper  core,  a  core  of  mud  which  didn't  solidify 
and  that  it  slid  on  the  upstream  face  of  the  dam,  leaving  a  down 
stream  shell  that  held  the  water*  If  it  had  slid  downstream  it 
probably  would  have  been  quite  a  catastrophe.  ... 

Q.  That  didn't  materially  affect  the  plans  of  the  Water  Dis 
trict,  then,  did  it? 

A.  It  didn't  affect  them  that  way,  but  it  did  stir  people  up 
and  there  was  considerably  more  Interest  because  there  was  risk  of 
its  going  out  at  some  other  time,  and  particularly: because  it  was 
known  to  have  been  built  on  an  earthquake  fault. 

Arbitration.  1920 

H.  Were  there  any  political  aspects  to  the  decision  against  the 
District  by  the  'A'ater  Commission?  [Sitting  unofficially  as  a 
Board  of  Arbitration,  the  decision  was  rendered  in  1920.] 

A.  At  the  risk  of  being  considered  a  disgruntled  loser  in  a 
lawsuit,  I  still  think  there  were  political  aspects. 

*i.  But  there  was  nothing  one  could  really  pin  down? 

A.  No,  there  is  nothing  you  can  pin  down,  because  it  was  finally 
affirmed  by  the  State  Supreme  Court.   But  we  feel  that  there  was  a 
lot  of  influence  improperly  used  in  various  ways. ...  there  were  some 
discrepancies  that  I  think  an  opan-minded  court  would  have  consid 
ered  and  ordered  a  new  trial  or  a  reversal. 

i.  There  is  one  think  that  I  have  not  looked  into,  and  perhaps 
you  know  offhand.   Has  the  decision  of  thse  court  and  the  pattern  of 
the  arbitration  set  precedents  throughout  California  for  later 
decisions? 


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A.  Wall,  that  is  another  thing.   Judge  Olney,  who  was  Supreme 
Court  Justice  for  a  while — in  fact  he  waa  the  Chief  Justice-- 

Q.  Was  this  the  Olney  who  waa  attorney  for  the  Spring  Valley 
Water  Company,  or  was  this  his  father? 

A.  No,  this  was  the  same  men.  Warren  Olney,  Jr.  He  was  in  the 
Supreme  Court  later.  In  the  first  place,  he  appeared  to  argue  this 
case.   Then  he  became  Supreme  Court  Justice,  and  later  argued  a 
case  in  the  San  Jonquin  Valley  in  which  he  took  the  opposite  stand 
from  what  he  did  in  our  case.  Our  case  got  no  publicity  at  all, 
although  it  practically  overturned  the  Herminghaus  Case.  Then  there 
was  the  case  that  came  up  in  the  San  Jooquin  Valley  and  Judge  Olney 
took  exactly  the  opposite  point  of  view  when  he  was  retained  by  an 
interest  that  was  opposed  to  this  decision,  and  the  litigants  were 
successful  in  their  argument  to  sustain  the  Herminghaus  Case. 

Citizens  Support  Board 

Q..  One  thing  that  I  picked  out  from  the  Washington  Press  was 
that  Chris  Runckel  had  virtually  promised  that  there  would  presum 
ably  be  no  tax  after. the  first  couplo  of  years,  and  only  10^  on 
the  tlOO  then.  Wos  there  any  criticism  when  the  District  didn't  Just 
shrivel  up  end  die  on  the  vine  after  the  first  couple  of  years? 

A.  No.   I  think  that  there  was  no  opposition  to  speak  of. 
None  that  we  knew  of.  The  people  were  with  us  right  along.   But 
there  was  criticism  when  we  bought  up  the  East  Bay  Municipal  works 
at  Alvarado.   There  was  a  faction  that  claimed  v/e  got  hoodwinked  in 
that  case  and  that  we  paid  too  much  for  it.   We  paid  a  quarter  of  a 
million  dollars  for  it,  but  there  are  two  sides  to  that  story.   The 


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group  who  criticized  were  mostly  the  remains  of  the  old  time  politi 
cal  gang  that  were  for  the  private  utilities  (remains  of  Hiram 
Johnson's  "S.P.  gang"). 

Q.  That  brings  us  back  to  another  of  Runckel's  articles  which 
he  published  in  1912  or  1913.   He  publiohed  some  quite  unsavory 
information  about  the  tieup  between  the  county  political  gang  and 
the  Spring  Valley  Water  Company  as  it  affected  the  Pleasanton  area. 
Did  this  tieup  affect  the  Alameda  County  Water  District? 

A.  Yes,  it  was  the  same  group.  It  was  what  we  called  the 
county  gang.   It  was  the  Southern  Pacific  up  to  the  time  of  Hiram 
Johnson,  and  then  the  Spring  Valley.  There  was  a  very  close  con 
nection  there. 

Foshar:."  Company  at  Niles 

;-' 
Q.  This  is  just  an  item  of  interest.   What  kind  of  a  water 

service  did  Foshay  Company  operate  at  Niles? 

A.  They  acquired  the  Niles  Water  Company,  which  was  a  local 
concern.   It  was  run  largely  by  iir.  Shinn  and  some  people  in  Niles. 
The  Foshay  Company  came  in  with  ideas  of  expansion.   I  think  the 
thing  was  overcapitalized,  and  they  combined  with  a  local  bank  and 
had  all  sorts  of  financial  difficulties.   They  were  bidding  for  the 
East  Bay's  Alvarado  pumping  plant,  arid  there  was  a  deadline  we  had 
to  meet  to  avoid  the  Foshay  Company  getting  the  Alvuredo  properties, 
which  we  figured  would  be  disastrous.  That  was  the  reason  we  moved 
so  quickly:   in  order  to  head  them  off.  VYe  got  the  thing  tied  up, 
through  an  agreement  with  ex-Governor  Pardee,  acting  for  Oakland, 


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Water  distribution  systems  ,  . 

Q.  One  thing  that  I  couldn't  find  in  the  Minutes  was  the  refer 
ence  to  the  time  when  the  distribution  systems  of  Alvarado,  Newark 
and  Mount  Eden  were  taken  over, 

A.  They  were  taken  over  with  the  purchase  of  the  water  rights 
and  pumping  property  at  Alvarado.  We  tried  to  get  Oakland  to  keep 
the  two  systems.  We  didn't  want  them.  They  were  a  losing  proposition, 
and  we  didn't  want  to  get  drawn  into  the  water  distribution  problem 
of  thio  area,  because  we  represented  such  a  large  area  compared  with 
these  two  local  distribution  systems  that  were  not  paying  costs.  We 
v.-ero  forced  into  the  water  distribution  business  and  that  is  what 
has  developed  into  this  present  system. 

Q.  You  certainly  made  it  profitable  shortly,  as  I  recall, 

A.  It  is  profitable  in  that  it  has  developed  the  country  into 
a  very  prosperous  and  fast-growing  area.   But  it  is  not  yet  profitable 
as  such,  because  we  are  having  to  put  so  much  money  into  large  dis 
tribution  mains  running  through  only  partly  inhabited  territory  in 
order  to  get  to  and  tie  together  these  towns  where  it  would  otherwise 
pay.  But  it  is  knitting  the  area  together,  so  that  in  a  few  years 
it  should  be  very  profitable.  That  would  be  reflected,  of  course, 
in  lower  water  rates  and  taxes  and  such  as  that.   We  look  forward  to 
prosperity,  but  it  has  been  pretty  hard  sledding  the  last  twenty  years. 

Future  Subdivisions 

£.  Do  you  anticipate  that  a  good  bit  of  the  area  will  be  sub 
divided? 

A.  Oh,  yea,  we  consider  that  it  is  Inevitable  unless  there  is  a 
big  slump.  You  can't  travel  around  the  area  without  running  into 
real  estate  promoters. 


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Q,.  I  imagine  the  north  end  of  the  district,  around  San  Leandro, 
Hayward  and  San  Lorenzo  will  develop  first, 

A.  The  flood  control  problem  is  the  one  factor  around  the  north 
end.  There  is  a  big  erea  toward  Alvarado  that  cannot  be  developed 
before  the  flood  control  problem  is  solved,  and  it  may  be  five  to  ten 
years  before  growth  can  start  in  that  area. 

jfot  a_  flood  control  district 

Q.  The  water  district  is  a  conservation  district  also,  isn't  it? 

A.  Yes,  it  is  a  conservation  district  that  has  been  drawn  into 
distribution  obligations  against  its  will. 

Q.  And  you  also  have  jurisdiction  over  flood  control? 

A.  No,  the  Flood  Control  Commission  is  a  subsidiary  of  the 
Alaneda  County  Supervisors,  while  the  Water  District  is  a  State  or 
ganization  and  not  subject  to  the  County.   We  cooperate  very  closely 
with  the  Flood  Control  District.  ... 

In  a  good  part  of  the  area  the  problem  is  not  flood  control,  but 
surface  drainage  to  take  care  of  the  accumulated  flow  from  built-up 
areas.   It  is  hard  to  make  a  good  many  people  who  are  a  considemble 
distance  from  Alameda  Creek  wee  why  they  should  support  a  flood  con 
trol  measure,  but  the  fact  is  that  they  cannot  build  unless  something 
is  done  to  take  care  of  the  surface  runoff.   The  Planning  Commission 
will  not  let  them  build  unless  they  have  the  facilities  for  drainage.... 

Engineering  Department  abolished 

Q.  I  noted  that  Williams  was  finally  released,  apparently 
because  he  was  so  slow  in  getting  some  action  taken  in  regard  to 
repairing  a  main  that  was  carrying  East  Bay  Municipal  Utilities  Dis 
trict  water  down  toward  Alvarado. 


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A.  The  ooat  of  the  Bngineering  Department  was  at  the  bottom  of 
that.  He  had  an  assistant  who  was  getting  rather  arrogant — Nunea. 
He  was  a  bad  influence,  and  Williams  wouldn't  give  him  up.  It  got 
to  be  a  hot-headed  dispute,  and  one  of  the  Directors  suddenly  said, 
"I  move  we  abolish  the  Engineering  Department.11   Someone  said,  "I 
second  the  motion."  The  motion  was  put  to  a  vote  and  carried. 

Q..  1  suppose  you  did  save  money  over  a  few  years.   Was  .Richmond, 
Williams'  successor  as  manager,  an  engineer? 

A.  Ho,  he  had  been  in  charge  of  the  Alvarado  pumping  plant, 
which  was  a  big-scale  steam  pumping  plant,  ever  since  he  was  a  young 
man.   iie  was  very  efficient  as  a  practical  man,  but  with  no  engineer- 
Ing  training.   At  that  time  we  were  laying  pipe  and  he  was  very  good 
at  that.  He  served  with  us  for  a  great  many  years  and  spent  his  whole 
life  in  water  affairs  and  was  a  great  asset  to  the  Water  District. 

Agricultural  Statistics 

[A  portion  not  recorded  introduced  the  question  of  agricultural 
statistics  for  Washington  Township  and  where  they  might  be  obtained.] 

Q,.  Do  you  recall  what  year  Senator  Sheridan  Downey  and  Senator 
Kerr  held  this  hearing  on  agricultural  produce? 

A.  1  don't  recall,  but  I  have  It  in  my  records. 

Q.  Was  this  an  agriculture  committee  hearing? 

A.  No,  this  was  a  committee  to  urge  the  Importation  of  water 
into  this  area  from  outside  sources.   It  was  centered  largely  at 
that  time  on  the  advisability  of  Bay  barriers  to  Impound  fresh  water 
and  get  it  into  this  area. 

Q.   Was  it  about  1948  or  1950? 

A.  Yes. 


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•  % 

Q.  If  I  oan't  get  a  printed  oopy  of  the  Congressional  hearing, 
do  you  have  any  idea  of  anybody  who  would  have  a  report  embodying- 
those  figures? 

A.  It  waa  one  of  those  hearings  that  was  carried  on  under  the 
auspices  of  the  Army  engineers  and  with  the  State  Water  Commission(?) . 


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THE  AIAMEDA  COUNTY  WATER  DISTRICT 

1914  -   1955 

By  W.  D.  Patterson,  Member  of  the  original  Board 
of  Directors,  aa  tald  to  John  B.  Caawell 

Interview  II 
August  15,  1955 

Q.   What  I  have  done  today,  Mr.  Patterson,  is  to  make 
out  a  list  of  questions  with  page  references  to  the  abstract 
of  the  Minutes.   That  may  simplify  things  a  bit.   On  page  39 
[Hay  21,  1932}  is  the  first  one.  You  will  note  a  reference 
to  the  legislation  concerning  a  State  Water  Plan,  and  some 
reasons  for  opposing  the  Plan.  W0re  there  phases  of  the  Plan 
that  were  believed  to  be  adverse  to  the  District's  interest? 

A.  The  reason  for  that  was  that  the  Plan  as  originally 
advanced  was  to  carry  the  water  down  the  San  Joaquin  Valley, 
which  of  course  would  have  been  of  no  benefit  to  us.   'e  felt 
that  if  the  State  was  going  to  have  a  Water  Development  Plan,  Pll 
the  areas  of  the  State  that  were  in  need  of  water  should  be 
considered.  We  felt  that  it  was  being  monopolized  by  the  San 
Joaquin  Valley. 

Q.   On  page  40  [June  4,  1932}  there  is  a  reference  to 
power  costs.  The  P. .0.  and  E.  representative  told  the  Board 
that  there  was  a  hearing  coming  up.  Was  anything  done  about 
lowering  the  rates?  This  was  1932. 

A.  No,  there  was  nothing  done.  It  was  not  carried  through. 
One  of  the  Directors,  George  Lowrie,  had  had  considerable  argu 
ment  with  the  P.  0.  and  £.  over  their  cates.   It  was  the  desire 
of  certain  ones,  including  Mr.  Runokel,  to  get  power  wholesale 


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and  distribute  it  by  means  of  the  District.  That  seemed  a 
little  out  of  our  line,  so  we  discouraged  it. 

Q.  On  June  25,  1952  [p.  40],  there  is  a  reference  to  the 
tax  budget.  Is  there  any  sort  of  a  summary  that  given  figures 
year  by  year  on  the  distribution  system  and  conservation  work 
of  the  District? 

A.   Nothing  that  I  know  of  except  what  shows  in  the  Minutes, 

Q.  Do  you  think  that  the  Auditor's  reports  are  in  such 
a  shape  that  they  could  be  tabulated  quickly,  and  if  so,  would 
it  be  worth  while  putting  the  figures  into  the  history? 

A.  That  information  isn't  in  the  Minute  Book,  is  it? 

Q.   There  is  information  similar  to  that  on  page  40  of 
the  Abstract,  with  details  on  such  matters  as  salary.  Then, 
on  occasional  years  something  was  done  about  putting  down  in 
formation  on  the  gross  revenues  and  profits  of  the  distribution 
system—after  1930  of  course.   Do  you  think  it  would  be  a  good 
thing  to  arrange  a  statement  of  income? 

A.  Yes,  if  you  could  get  hold  of  it.   I  Just  don't  know 
if  it  is  available. 

Q..   Cn  page  42  [May  6,  1933]  there  is  a  reference  to 
legislation — Senate  bill  no.  80,  requiring  that  county  water 
districts  buy  out  private  water  companies.  I  wonder  who  was 
behind  that. 

A.   I  don't  know  who  it  was.   It  was  some  member  of  the 
legislature. 

Q..  It  wasn't  any  concerted  move,  then,  of  any  particular 
group? 

A.  No,  not  in  our  district. 

Q.   On  page  45  [March  31,  1934]  we  come  to  the  time  when 


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the  terms  of  the  Director*  ware  split,  and  two  were  elected  at 
one  time,  and  three  two  years  later* 

• 

A.  Tea. 

Q.  Waa  that  some  new  requirement  of  the  atate  law? 

A.   Yes,... 

Q.   Do  you  think  It  was  an  Improvement? 

A.   I  think  probably, 

<1.  On  the  next  page  [p.  46,  May  5,  1934]  there  la  a  ref 
erence  to  a  Mr.  Crozler  wanting  the  District  to  buy  out  the 
Centervllle  Water  Co.  A  little  earlier  Cyril  Williams,  Jr., 
had  proposed  the  aame  thing,  What  waa  behind  their  move? 

A.  Mr.  Willlama  waa  our  former  engineer.  Ha  felt  free 
to  make  thla  deal  on  the  outside  with  Ur.  Crozler,  who  owned 
the  Centervllle  A'ater  Company.  I  waa  at  that  time  In  favor 
of  getting  away  from  the  water  distribution  end  of  It.   The 
other  directors  were  not,  and  I  waa  overruled.   I  think  per 
haps  It  waa  Just  aa  well,  because  that  has  become  a  major  In 
fluence  In  the  development  of  our  area.   I  guess  they  were  better 
grounded  than  1  waa. 

£.   At  that  time,  as  I  recall,  the  District  did  not  buy 
the  company. 

A..  Not  at  that  time.   Later  It  grew  Into  a  purchase. 

Q.   On  page  48  [Feb.  12,  1935]  In  reference  to  water  re 
leased  by  San  Francisco,  It  appeared  that  25$  of  the  water  that 
waa  being  released  went  Into  the  gravels  above  the  fault  where 
but  5jt  of  the  land  of  the  district  lay.   Was  there  some  good 
engineering  or  agricultural  reaaon  for  giving  them  about  five 
times  as  much  water  as  the  ratio  of  the  rest  of  the  district? 


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A.  Yea,  there  was.  There  were  several  reasons.  In  the 
first  place  the  Niles  gravel  basin  was  quite  limited  in  depth. 
It  was-  underlaid  by  bed  rook,  and  after  the  water  table  got 
down  to  a  certain  depth  a  good  many  of  the  pumps  couldn't  get 
any  water  at  all.  Also,  the  main  reason  why  it  was  advisable 
was  that  if  the  small  basin  above  the  fault  was  over-supplied 
with  water,  it  leaked  over  the  barrier  of  the  Niles  fault,  and 
so  the  lower  part  of  the  district  got  the  surplus  anyway.  We 
were  sure  it  was  better  to  keep  their  level' up,  and  then  we 
would  get  the  water  we  needed  anyway. 

Q,.   It  assured  them  a  supply,  and  you  didn't  suffer. 

A.  Yes. 

Q.  I'm  not  clear  about  two  things:  the  36"  Spring  Valley 
main  and  the  30"  Spring  Valley  main.  They  were  both  originally 
built  by  Spring  Valley,  were  they  not?  Or  was  one  built  by  San 
Francisco?  This  is  on  page  49  [Stay  4,  1935], 

A.   They  were  built  by  the  Spring  Valley. 

Q.  The  30"  was  abandoned  at  least  by  1940  or  1941? 

A«  Yes.  That  was  what  they  called  their  Alameda  line, 
and  that  was  the  original  line.   It  was  deteriorating  so  that 
they  had  to  give  it  up,  before  it  crossed  the  Bay.   No,  that  was 
the  36°  line.  The  30"  line,  unless  I'm  mistaken,  was  the- line 
of  the  East  Bay  Company,  leading  from  Alvarado  to  Oakland,  and 
we  bought  that  line  as  far  as  San  Lorenzo  with  our  purchase  of 
the  water  supply  at  Alvarado. 

Q.   Is  that  the  one  that  was  taken  up  during  the  war? 

A.  Yes.  We  took  up  that  part  of  it  that  was  above  the 
surface  of  the  ground  and  sold  it  for  pipe  or  Junk  metal. 


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Q.   Is  there  any  of  the  old  56B  line  sections  operating 
In  the  district?  That  is,  the  Spring  Valley  lines? 

A.  Yea,  it'a  atill  operating.  It  was  in  very  good  ahape 
from  the  hi lea  Reservoir  down  to  and  through  Centervllle  to 
the  cannery  just  below  Centervllle,  and  that  la  atill  uaed  both 
to  aupply  the  free  water  rlghta  along  Ita  course  and  to  carry 
water  when  It  la  available  from  release,  down  to  the  Western 
Pacific  pit.  We  took  some  of  the  5O"  line  and  laid  It  to  con 
nect  the  lower  part  of  this  56"  Spring  Valley  line  to  the  West 
ern  Pacific  pit,  which  was  about  half  a  mile  out  In  a  field, 

Q.   On  page  51  [Dec.  7,  1935],  In  reference  to  the  District's 
reply  to  Cahlll's  letter,  what  had  been  done  by  the  District  to 
capture  a  much  larger  amount  of  the  Sunol  water  In  1936  than  In 
the  summer  of  1935?  In  1935  and  1936  apparently  you  were  making 
preparations  for  the  summer  of  1936. 

A.   I  think  that  that  followed  the  clearing  out  of  the  chan 
nel,  the  stirring  up  of  the  sediment  that  was  deposited  on  the 
gravels  of  the  craek  channel  by  bulldozer  work,  and  loosening 
them  up.   We  had  a  pump  which  was  spoken  about,  I  think  It  was 
at  this  time,  too,  that  pumped  from  the  channel  of  the  creek 
Into  the  other  end  of  the  Western  Pacific  pit,  from  that  where 
the  pipe  line  Is. 

Q.   [P.  52,  April  14,  1936]  In  your  agreement  regarding 
your  releases  from  the  obligations  of  the  water  rights,  was  the 
District  to  assume  them  permanently  If  It  failed  to  return  the 
advanced  water  to  £an  Francisco  within  15  years? 

A.   The  free  water  rights  were  to  be  assumed  permanently, 
yes.   This  phrase  about  the  15  years,  I  don't  know  about.   I 


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don't  remember  that,  and  I  intended  to  look  it  up  to  see  Just 
what  it  did  mean.   It  was  something  new  to  me. 

Q.  My  impression  was  that,  if  they  had  demanded  the 
water  back  within  the  15-year  period,  presumably  it  would  have 
been  their  Initiative,  then  your  obligations  would  have  been 
extinguished. 

A.  If  they  had  canceled  their  obligation  under  this  agree 
ment,  I  think  that  would  be  so;  but  it  may  also  mean  that  if 
they  kept  up  for  15  years ,  that  was  not  to  end  our  obligation. 
We  understood,  when  we  made  this  agreement,  that  we  were  to  take 
over  these  obligations  for  free  water  service  permanently,  and 
our  only  recourse  was  to  buy  the  rights  out  or  condemn  them, 
which  we  have  gradually  been  doing. 

Q.  What  proportion  of  the  original  free  rights  were  actually 
active  when  ycu  bought  it,  and  are  still  active? 

A.   The  main  right,  which  was  that  of  the  California 
Nursery  Company,  is  still  active  and  we  are  continuing  to  serve 
that  through  water  which  we  pump,  and  which  is  also  supplied 
by  the  City  of  San  Francisco  as  long  as  they  have  the  water  flow 
ing  down  Alameda  creek  for  whatever  reason.   They  keep  the 
Nursery  pipe  full  of  water  and  available  to  them,  and  if  they 
should  find  it  impossible  to  continue  that,  there  would  be  some 
legal  question  about  whether  we  would  still  be  required  to 
serve  the  Nursery. 

In  the  original  contract  under  which  the  Nursery  gave  up 
their  riparian  rights  there  was  a  provision  that  required  San 
Francisco  to  supply  them  with  water,  but  only  so  long  as  there 
water  in  the  "Stone  Chute,"  which  is  an  old  Spanish  diverting 


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dam,  onoa  serving  a  ditch  leading  to  the  Vallejo  flour  mill 
mt  Niles.  Whan  water  was  not  flowing  at  that  point,  tha  Spring 
Valley  Company  was  not  obligated  to  supply  tha  nursery.   It  i« 
quite  a  complicated  legal  matter,  but  there  was  that  limitation, 
and  it  would  probably  have  to  be  determined  by  tha  courts  aa  to 
just  what  was  meant  by  that  contract.   It  was  a  very  long  and 
obscure  type  of  contract.  Nona  of  the  attorneys  have  been  able 
to  work  it  out  to  their  satisfaction. 

Q.   How  you  have  to  supply  water  to  the  Nursery.  Do  you 
have  to  do  it  fairly  constantly? 

A.   Kvery  year  they  take  their  50  million  gallons  of  water* 

«t.   Part  of  that  comes  from  tha  creek,  am  I  right? 

A,   Part  of  it  is  a  substitute  for  the  water  that  would 
otherwise  flow  down  the  creek,  and  that  is  supplied  by  the  City 
of  San  Francisco. 

Q.   Then  that  whole  50  million  gallons  doesn't  come  from 
you? 

A.   No,  but  we  are  under  obligation  to  see  that  it  is 
delivered  to  the  Nursery. 

Q.   On  page  52b  [Sept.  5,  1936]  there  is  a  note  about  the 
10  percent  federal  contribution  from  the  WPA.   Is  that  in  addition 
to  the  WPA  labor  supply? 

A.   That  was  10  percent  of  the  cost  of  the  materials.   All 
the  labor  and  10  percent  of  the  material  was  furnished  by  the  WPA. 

Q.   On  page  54  [Oct.  2,  1936],  why  did  Cahill  refuse  the 
permit  to  build  the  San  Antonio  Creek  dem? 

A.   That  was  because  San  Francisco  would  not  give  up  a 
prior  right  to  whatever  was  needed  by  San  Francisco  in  an 


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emergency,  and  they  ware  to  define  the  emergency.  If  we  had 
built  the  dam  and  there  was  surplus  water  stored  by  the  dam,  we 
oould  have  It  so  long  as  San  Francisco  didn't  need  it*  He 
refused  to  give  it  under  any  other  circumstances. 

Q,.  In  reference  to  the  Hayward  pipe  connection  [page  55, 
Feb.  17,  1938],  what  is  the  present  source  of  Uayward's  water? 
Does  it  have  any  large  wells  except  at  lit.  Eden? 

A.  It  has  the  old  wells  at  Mt.  Eden  and  other  wells  between 
ttt.  Eden  and  Hayward.  The  other  source  of  supply  at  the  present 
time  is  a  twenty  or  thirty  inch  line  running  from  the  Hetoh 
Hetchy  aqueduct  which  crosses  the  road  between  Niles  and  Mission 
San  Jose. 

Q.   Hayward  still  gets  some  water  from  underneath  the 
District,  then,  I  would  presume. 

A.  Yes,  that  is  what  we  have  been  quarreling  over  for 
a  number  of  years,  trying  to  settle  their  exact  rights. 

Q.   On  page  53  [Sept.  7,  1940],  just  a  small  item  of 
Interest:   the  Minutes  speak  of  Corey  fire  hydrants  and  another 
type  whose  name  I  forget.  One  seemed  to  have  been  used  in  cities, 
and  the  other  in  rural  areas.  What  were  the  particular  virtues 
of  each  one? 

A.   It  was  the  Wharf  hydrant  that  was  used  in  rural  areas. 
That  was  a  simple  valve,  like  a  garden  hydrant,  only  of  large 
siza.   It  was  not  a  very  good  type.   There  were  a  great  many 
mechanical  features  it  did  not  have,  and  where  there  was  a  chance 
of  much  use  the  Corey  type  of  hydrant  was  considered  by  the  Fire 
Underwriters  to  be  the  more  acceptable  type. 

Q.   [Page  64,  Jen.  4,  1941.]  In  reference  to  the  service 
at  Sunol,  was  it  the  Raker  Act  that  prevented  the  District  from 


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taking  over? 

A*  Ho,  we  had  the  power  to  take  It  over;  it  was  a  question 
of  expediency.  The  City  of  San  Franolsoo  had  the  distribution 
system  at  Sunol,  and  they  vare  uncertain  whether  they  wanted  to 
keep  it  or  not.  It  was  Espy 'a  own  idea  that  for  a  well  rounded 
system  we  should  have  the  Sunol  town  system  with  ours,  and  relieve 
San  Francisco  of  any  country  service. 

Q.  Oh!  I  had  assumed  that  it  referred  to  the  Sunol  gravel 
beds,  filters  and  so  forth. 

Q.   [Page  64,  Feb.  1,  1941]  Did  you  ever  get  the  office 
building  built  by  WPA? 

A.   No.  It  was  designed  by  a  man  who  was  working  in  the 
WPA  office,  who  had  some  training  as  an  architect.   WPA  was 
about  over,  and  we  didn't  feel  it  necessary  to  go  on. 

Q.   [Page  65,  June  7,  1941.]  In  reference  to  the  Niles 
subdivision,  what  was  to  be  the  source  of  the  water  for  that? 
And  was  there  danger  of  contamination?  That  seems  to  have  been 
higher  up  than  most  of  your  water  system. ...You  will  note  that 
the  water  was  to  be  delivered  "as  is,"  which  I  thought  meant 
that  it  might  not  be  fit  for  domestic  consumption. 

A.   No,  that  was  the  mechanical  service  end  the  leok  of 
pressure  that  would  be  there.   It  was  one  of  the  first  subdivisions 
and  was  located  at  the  entrance  to  Niles  Canyon,  and  at  a  high 
elevation.  We  could  not  supply  satisfactory  pressure,  but  we 
told  him  he  could  take  it  as  it  was  then,  which  he  did  to  start 
with. 

Q.   How  did  you  cure  that?  Put  In  a  standpipe  end  pianp? 

A.   We  put  in  a  booster  pump  at  the  reservoir,  which  was 
at  the  Nilea  Canyon  outlet  and  which  was  only  a  few  hundred  feet 


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from  this  development  and  almost  at   the  same    level,    so    that  the 
pressure  without  booster  would  have  been  unsatisfactory. 

Q.      [Page  66,   Sept.    6,    1941.]     Emanuel  George  passed  away 
and  Louis  Amaral  was  appointed  in  his  stead.      What  area  and 
interest  did  Mr.   Amaral  represent? 

A.      He  was  a   small  farmer  and   lived  very  close  to  Emanuel 
George.      He  was  a  close  friend  of  the  family  and  had   ogricul- 
tural  and  irrigating  experience,   so  we   thought  he  would  do  very 
well  as   a  substitute. 

Q.      [Page  68,   Feb.    6,    1943. 3     It  was   reported  in   the  Minutes 
for   1943  that   the  building  of  Camp  Parks  near  Pleasant on  required 
a  large  amount  of  water.     VThat  effect  did  the  construction  of 
Camp  Parks  have  on  the  District's   water   supply? 

A.      It  didn't  have  much  effect  as   far  as  we   coujd  make   out, 
because   the  water  that  was  used,    except   for  evaporation,   was 
returned  to  the  Pleasanton  gravels,    and  so  made   its   way  down  to 
our  District.      We  also  had  a   quarrel  with   them  over  the   pollution 
of   the  water.      In  case  their  septic   tanks  didn't  operate   or 
overflowed.      But  Mr.   Clark  told  us  we  couldn't  do  anything  about 
it.      It  was   a  wartime  operation,   and  it  was   almost  impossible 
to  bring  a  successful  suit  against   the   government.     You  had  to 
trust   to   the   rulings   of   the  Health  Department   to  keep  it  in  order. 

Q.      So  far  as  you  were  able    to  discover,   did   they  actually 
contaminate   the  waters? 

A.      Not  by  any  analysis   that  we   got.      The   point  where    the 
contamination  would  occur  was   about   ten  miles  upstream  from  us. 
The  water  ran  over  the   gravels  and  we  didn't   pin  down  such 
contamination  as   appeared  to  be  occurring  to  come  from  Camp 
Parks.      There  were   too  many  other  sources. 


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Q.  Did  Camp  Parka  pat  In  standard  sewage  equipment? 

A*  Yea,  but  there  were  several  reports  from  neighbors 
that  there  waa  raw  sewage  coming  through  at  times* 

Q..   [Page  70,  Sept.  16,  1944.}  I  note  that  Prank  Duster- 
berry  passed  away  In  early  September.  He  had  been  the  customary 
representative  at  the  Irrigation  Districts  Association  meetings. 
Did  Dusterberry  make  any  distinctive  contribution  to  the  Board 
that  should  be  mentioned  In  the  history? 

A.  He  did  a  very  good  job  at  attending  the  various  conven 
tions.  He  was  a  retired  banker  and  went  to  practically  all  the 
water  conventions  and  did  a  greet  deal  of  good  In  keeping  the 
District  well  informed  as  to  what  was  going  on.  His  advice  In 
financial  matters  was  very  good,  of  course. 

Q,.   I  should  ask  the  same  question  about  Emanuel  George. 

A,  He  was  a  very  sound  thinker,  a  practical  man;  a  good 
farmer  and  orchardlst.  On  practical  matters  he  was  very  well 
considered  by  the  whole  community. 

Q.  [Page  71,  Nov.  4,  1944. J  The  Board  proceeded  to  hold 
an  election  to  replace  Frank  Dusterberry  and  the  Board  split, 
Grimmer  and  Patterson  on  one  side,  and  Bernardo  and  Amaral  on 
the  other.   What  was  the  basis  of  the  split  that  balked  an 
election..*? 

A*   We  didn't  consider  that  the  opposition's  candidate  had 
sufficient  grounding  for  the  post.  He  had  practically  no 
experience  in  water  matters.   His  ownership  of  real  estate  in 
the  District  was  very  minor,  end  we  split  on  ths  advisability 
of  the  type  of  man. 

Q..  What  did  the  people  who  supported  him  have  In  his  favor? 


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A.      The   two  directors  felt  that  he  had  sufficient  knowledge 
of  wator  matters,   and  he  was  a  union  official  at  Newark* 

Q.      [Page  71,  March  3,   1945.]     In  regard  to  the  Ellsworth 
water  right.  Dr.   Grimmer  was  authorized  to  offer  $10,000  for  the 
water  right.     Later  on  I  discovered   that  Ellsworth  had  no  inten 
tion  of   selling  because    there  was   hard pan  under  his   land  and  he 
couldn't  get  any  water  by  drilling.      Was   the  Ellsworth  tract 
all  in  one  piece  at   that  time? 

A.     Yes.      [It  was  later  subdivided,   and  the  District  had 
great  trouble  with  its  divided  water  rights. 3 

Q.      [Page  72,    Oct.    13,    1945.]     In  regard   to   the  annual 
appropriation,  new  language  was  used.     Why  did  the  County  Auditor 
now  notify  the   District  as   to  what  its  appropriation  was    to  be? 

A.      I   think  it  was   that    the  County  Auditor  set  the  rate  that 
we  should  have  in  order  to  produce  the  amount  set  forth  in  our 
budget. 

Q.      So  he  didn't  determine    the  amount,    simply  the    tax   rate? 

A.      Yes. 

ft.   [Page  72,  Oct.  13,  1945.]  Was  a  well  drilled  in  the 
Shinn  subdivision  in  order  to  gat  water  for  the  California 
Hursery? 

A.  Because  of  the  obscure  language  in  the  contract  between 
the  Spring  Valley  Water  Company  and  the  Nursery,  the  lawyers 
had  very  much  trouble  with  Interpretation.   Y*e  decided  it  would 
be  better  to  have  a  well  next  to  the  Nursery  at  the  point  of 
delivery,  so  that  in  any  case  we  would  have  a  water  supply  which 
could  be  substituted  for  that  called  for  under  the  contract.   So 
we  bought  a  lot  adjoining  the  Hursery  at  the  proper  point  on  their 


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border  and  drilled  a  wall  that  would  be  entirely  sufficient 
to  supply  the  50  million  gallons  a  year.  Wo  hold  that  In 
reserve. 

Q.  You  don't  ordinarily  pump  from  that,  simply  in  an 
emergency? 

A.   In  an  emergency  we  could  put  a  pump  in  and  substitute 
for  the  water  they  would  otherwise  get  out  of  the  flow  in  Alameda 
Creek, 

Q.   [Page  76,  Sept.  13,  1947,  and  elsewhere.}  There  are 
references  to  the  fault  having  been  cut  by  Pacific  Coast  Aggre 
gates  Company.  Has  water  ever  flowed  over  the  cut  in  sufficient 
quantities  to  affect  the  water  table  above  it? 

A.  Yes,  I  think  it  has.   I  think  there  was  a  lowering  of 
the  water  table  above  the  fault  by  several  feet.  I  forget  just 
how  many.... That  was  partly  corrected  by  later  work  on  the  fault... 
We  uncovered  the  place  where  this  out  had  been  made  and  did  some 
work  in  en  attempt  to  seal  it. 

Q.   [Page  78,  May  8,  1948.]  You  and  the  Secretary  testi 
fied  before  the  Dickie  Underground  Water  Pollution  Committee. 
What  was  the  Committee  seeking  to  determine? 

A.   They  were  trying  to  find  out  the  causes  and  possibilities 
of  preventing  the  pollution  of  the  fresh  water  by  the  salt  water, 
not  only  in  our  case  but  in  some  other  cases  where  salt  water 
was  intruding. 

ft.   [Page  78,  July  10,  1948.]  In  regard  to  pit  purchases, 
was  the  land  that  was  to  be  purchased  from  Pacific  Coast  Aggregates 
adjacent  to  that  leased  from  Mrs.  Shinn? 


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A.  The  property  waa  adjacent  and  formed  a  aeries  of  pita 
which  could  be  used  and  is  used  for  percolation. 

Q.  Are  they  called  collectively  the  Shinn  pits  now? 

A.  Ho,  they  are  separate. 

Q*   [Pago  79»  Feb.  12,  1949.]  To  what  extent  do  the  duties 
of  the  Alatneda  County  Flood  Control  and  Eater  Conservation  District 
overlap  those  of  the  Water  District?  And  how  have  the  conflicts 
in  Jurisdiction  been  resolved? 

A.  The  Flood  Control  District,  as  we  call  it  for  short, 
has  not  been  formed  very  long,  and  as  1  waa  the  chairman  of  both 
Boards,  I  recommended  to  both  Boards  that  we  attempt  to  prevent 
any  unnecessary  overlapping  of  Jurisdiction  of  the  two.  I  person 
ally  was  in  favor  of  eventually  having  the  percolation  part  taken 
over  es  much  as  possible  by  the  Flood  Control  District,  inasmuch 
as  they  were  attempting  to  get  Alnmeda  Creek  straightened  and 
widaned,  exposing  a  great  deal  of  gravel  which  could  be  used  for 
percolation  purposes.  I  thought  there  was  no  purpose  in  having 
both  bodies  covering  the  one  project  and  that  we  should  separate 
the  duties  and  obligations  of  the  two. 

Q.   BBS  the  Flood  Control  District  been  able  to  take  over 
much  of  that  work? 

A.   Not  as  yet,  because  they  have  Just  this  year  had  passed 
a  bond  issue  of  about  4  million  dollars,  which  is  to  go  into  the 
reconstruction  of  Aiameda  Creek.   The  finishing  of  the  project 
has  to  wait  on  tha  Army  Engineers,  which  may  take  five  or  ten 
years  to  complete,  because  it  has  to  have  the  approval  of  Congress 
and  an  appropriation  bv  Congress.   So  that  ia  only  partly  taken 
care  of. 


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Q,.     la  any  part  of   thia  four  million  dollars  going  to 
be  apent  before  Congress  oomea    through? 

A.      Yea,    they  will  a  tart,    I   believe,    thia  winter.      They 
are  going  to  work  with  the  Army  Engineers,   and   the  Army  Engineers 
have   just  received  an  appropriation  of  £15,000  for  a  preliminary 
survey  of    the  project. 

Q«   I  suppose  this  is    to  include  channel  straightening. 
Will  it  also  include  additional  percolation  pita? 

A.      Only  incidentally.      The  straightening  and  widening  of 
the  channel  will  expose   large   areas   of   gravel,    which  will  auto- 
matically  become   percolation  areaa.      That  is  why  I    think  coopera 
tion  between  the   two  bodies   is  essential.      The   channel  is   something 
less    than  a  hundred  feet  wide  on   the   average.      They  are  making  it 
about  600  feet  wide  in  the   final  plans,    and   that  will  make   an 
immense  difference  in  the   percolation  of   the  flood  waters. 

Q.      Will  eny  check  dams   be  built  along  the  channel? 

A.      That  remains  for  the  future   to  determine.      The    increase 
in  percolation  will  be   so  great   that  I   think  it   will  be   tried 
out  first  without  check  dams. 

^.      How  much  is  being  asked  of  Congress  for  the  flood 
control  work? 

A.      Lets   see,   about  five  million  dollars,   I    think  it   is. 

Q.      Making  a   total  of   about  nine  millions   available. 

A.     YeE.      It'll  be  a  major  project  for  our  country, 

Q.      I   auppoae    that  will  save  considerable   loss  from  floods, 
as  well  as  assuring  a  better  ground  water  supply? 

A.      Yes.      The  floods  occasionally  are  very  destructive. 

Q.      Do  you  have  any  rough  notion  of  how  many  million  dollars 
worth  of  damage   they've   done   in   the   last   ten  yeara? 


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A.  Mr.  Crowle,  the  Chief  Engineer  of  the  Flood  Control  Com- 
ni salon,  has  all  of  that  matter  available.   So  if  you  want  you 
can  get  it  from  him* 

Q,.   Do  you  think  that  it's  essential  to  go  into  that  in 
any  length? 

A.   I  don't  think  so--a  lot  of  detail. 

Q.   [Page  80,  April  9,  1949]  Why  did  the  U.  S.  Engineers 
suddenly  ctart  surveying  the  Arroyo  del  Valle? 

A.   They,  I  think,  had  been  reached  by  Senator  Sheridan 
Downey  who  was  very  much  interested  in  our  problem  here,  and  ha 
wanted  to  get  a  report  from  the  U.  S.  Engineers  about  the  possi 
bility  of  supplemental  vtater  out  of  the  Alameda  Creek  watershed, 
to  try  to  cure  the  salt  infiltration  by  filling  the  gravels  with 
fresh  water  and  forcing  the  salt  water  out. 

Q,.   In  forcing  the,salt  water  out,  suppose  you  were  able  to 
flood  the  upper  gravels  very  heavily,  where  would  the  selt  water 
depart  froa?  One  of  your  first  things,  I  presume,  would  be  to 
plug  the  wells  which  now  permit  intrusion. 

A,  That  has  pretty  well  been  done,  now,  ar.d  the  forcing  of 
fresh  water  into  the  upper  gravel  which  is  the  contaminated  one 
would,  we  hope,  force  the  salt  water  out  through  the  old  spring 
areas  in  the  tidal  flats,  which  used  to  carry  fresh  water  out 
into  the  Bay.  This  action  was  reversed  whan  the  water  table 
dropped  low  enough.  They  formed  channels  to  bring  the  salt 
water  in.  '."ell,  we  hope  to  force  another  reversal.   But  the 
problem  there  is  whether  we  can  force  salt  watsr  out  with  fresh, 
because  the  salt  water  is  heavier  and  it  lies  on  the  bottom — 
the  fresh  water  might  go  right  over  tine  top.   But  in  such  a 


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case  wo  Intended  to  put  big  pumpa  in  and  actually  pump  the 
aalt  water  out  over  the  surface  into  the  Bay,  and  then  it 
would  be  replaced  with  freah  water. 

Q.   Do  you  contemplate  doing  anything  with  that  in  the 
immediate  future? 

A.   If  we  can  get  a  supply  of  freah  water,  yes.  We  Intend 
to  do  that  sa  soon  as  possible,  because  it's  a  very  serious 
matter* 

Q.  Would  the  fact  that  more  and  more  subdivisions  are 
coming  in  and  requiring  water  of  perhaps  greater  purity  than  la 
being  pumped— is  that  going  to  affect  the  situation? 

A.  Yes,  we  feel  that  It  already  Is  speeding  up  the  in 
trusion  of  salt  water,  and  we  are  using  a  considerable  amount 
of  Hetch  Hetchy  water  so  as  to  reduce  the  draught  on  the  under 
ground  supply. 

£.   So  the  result  of  bringing  in  the  subdivisions  is  to 
Increase  the  pumping? 

A.  Yes. 

Q.   Both  for  the  subdivisions  and  that  which  is  required 
for  agriculture? 

A.  Yes,  the  old  rule  was  that  a  housing  settlement  took 
about  the  same  amount  of  water  as  agriculture  did,  which  no 
doubt  was  true  50  or  40  years  ago.   But  (chuckle)  people  take 
so  many  more  baths  now  than  they  did  then,  and  they  have  lawns, 
so  that  in  the  Water  District's  experience  the  water  demand  has 
doubled  per  capita,  so  that  they're  using  about  twice  as  much  as 
they  did  when  we  started. 

Q.   So  the  capita  demand  has  gone  up  sharply,  as  well  as 
the  number  of  heads? 


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A.  Yes. 

Q.   That  would  mean  that  your  aore  demand,  when  land  was 
converted  from  agriculture  to  subdivision,  would  go  up  perhaps 
ten  times,  wouldn't  it? 

A.  Yas.  Yes,  it  could. 

Q.   [Page  80,  May  14,  1948]  Why  did  the  State  start  inves 
tigating  this  Livermore-Pleasanton  area  at  the  same  moment  the 
Engineers  started  surveying  the  Arroyo  del  Velle? 

A.  That  was  an  investigation  that  was  asked  by  the  Pleas- 
anton-Livermore  people,  to  see  what  could  be  done  about  getting 
a  water  supply  for  their  area.   And  we  got  the  State  to  extend 
that  to  cover  our  area,  too.   The  Livermore  and  Pleasanton  people 
were  ahead  of  us  in  that  case. 

Q,   Is  Binkley  able  to  make  good  use  of  those  figures  in 
hits  present  survey?  [District's  consulting  engineer,  T.  C. 
Binkley  of  Palo  Alto.] 

A.   Oh,  yes,  they  are  cooperating  closely  with  the  State 
authorities  and  exchange  figures  with  them,  and  theyState  is 
very  cooperative. 

Q.   [Page  81,  August  13,  1949]  What  was  the  Flood  Condi 
tions  of  Alameda  Creek  Case  that  Senator  Downey  had  arranged  to 
reopen?  It  sounded  as  if  this  was  litigation  and  this  was  being 
reopened  by  act  of  Congress. 

A.  That  was  not  litigation.  It  was  the  investigation  and 
the  bringing  to  life  again  of  the  original  inquiry  into  the 
possibility  of  getting  water  into  Alameda,  Santa  Clara,  and 
San  Benito  Counties. 

Q.   Do  you  recall  how  long  before  the  original  authority 
had  expired? 


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A.   I  don*  t  know. 

4.   The  original  investigation,  than,  was  some  timo  before 
that? 

A.  Yea,  it  waa  several  years  before  that,  but  it  had  Just 
died  down.  It  was  still  somewhat  active,  and  Senator  Downey 
held  a  number  of  meetings  in  San  Jose  and  Alameda  County— even 
up  in  Contra  Costa  County,  learning  the  facts  of  the  salt  water 
intrusion  and  the  laok  of  fresh  water,  and  he  was  trying  to  get 
congressional  action  on  an  emergency  basis  to  speed  it  up. 

Q.   An  aside,  a  note  on  the  next  page  referring  to  the  Flood 
Control  District;  You  were  first  on  the  advisory  committee,  and 
then  I  gather  you  were  the  first  chairman  of  the  board  of  the 
Flood  Control  District.   Is  that  right?  Are  you  still  the 
chairman? 

A.   Of  the  Flood  Control? 

Q.  Yes. 

A.  Yes,  I'm  chairman  of  that. 

Q.  You  were  the  chairman  since  it  was  first  created  about 
1949,  I  gather? 

A.  Yes. 

Q..   [Page  84,  December  20,  1950]  With  reference  to  the 
water  supply,  after  acute  concern  with  drought  in  1947  and  con 
tinued  concern  in  1949,  did  1950  actually  mark  a  considerable 
improvement  in  the  weter  supply? 

A.  When  was  that? 

Q.   1950.  I  had  noted  along — this  was  at  the  very  end  of 
the  year,  the  very  bottom  note.   When  did  the  water  situation 
start  to  look  up  as  far  as  the  gravels  were  concerned? 


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A.   I  think  that  was  In  the  flood  of  1950.  We  had  a 
heavy  flood  then.  Another  one,  not  long  afterwards,  came  in 
1951.  The  two  of  them  had  a  very  marked  effect  on  the  water 
table. 

Q,.  Has  the  water  table  wasted  away  again  to  about  what  it 
was  before? 

A.  Yes.   It's  back  to  an  alarming  situation  now. 

Q.   Probably  because  of  much  heavier  pumping,  I  presume? 

A.   That  13  it. 

Q,.   As  far  as  irrigation  goes,  is  the  most  efficient  means 
of  irrigation  to  pump  it  in  at  one  end  of  the  valley  and  pump 
it  out  wherever  required? 

A.  Yes.  That  has  been  determined  by  the  .engineers.  The 
cost  of  distributing  either  by  ditches  or  pipes  would  be  pro 
hibitive  because  you  would  more  or  less  have  to  follow  the  con- 
toure,  and  in  doing  so  you  would  cut  through  all  sorts  of  private, 
property.  The  values  have  gone  now  to  $3000  to  &5000  an  acre, 
and  it  would  Just  cost  too  much  to  distribute  it  that  way. 

Q.   I  see.  That's  a  very  interesting  point. 

A.   And  you  get  away  from  evaporation,  too,  when  you  store 
it  underground.  Evaporation  is  quite  high.   It  amounts  to  about 
four  feet  per  year  in  our  area.   Loss  over  the  entire  surface, 
well  it  would  be  four  acre  feet  per  acre.   And  that's  a  lot  of 

water. 

Q.  Of  course  you  store  it  to  a  considerable  depth  in  a 
reservoir.  How  mony  acre  feet  do  the  crops  over  there  average 
in  consumption? 

A.   I  think  that  t eking  the  upper  area  which  is  much  more 
porous  than  down  toward  the  Bay  you  would  have  perhaps  one  and 


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a  half  aore  foot  of  uao. 

Q,.  Do  you  thick  the  District's  records  of  the  amount  of 
water  pumped  from  the  gravel?  Is -reasonably  complete  and  accu 
rate,  so  that  figures  on  percolated  and  pimped  rater  would  be 
really  meaninsful? 

A.  Yea.   The  Engineers  use  those  figures  as  a  tasis  for 
their  conclusions. 

Q.   [Page  86,  November  14,  1951]  There  are  several  refer 
ences  to  rain  making.   Although  the  Board  is  quite  interested 
in  rain  making  possibilities,  why  has  it  never  actually  experi 
mented  *i  th.lt? 

A.  We  investigated  several  sources  of  rain  making — the 
personnel  and  the  companies  promoting  then--and  there  was  a  good 
deal  of  fear  among  the  directors  that  we  might  be  involved  In 
litigation.   If  ve  promoted  rain  making  over  an  ares  that  really 
needed  it,  it  could  overlap  into  the  vegetable  ares  where  an 
unseasonal  rain  will  ruin  a  whole  crop.  It  could  run  into  very 
high  damages.   I  think  that  was  whet  scared  them  off. 

Q.   [Page  89,  December  18,  1952]  Why  was  the  use  of  Stivers 
Tule  Pond  for  percolation  first  considered  end  then  dropped? 

A.  That  was  partly  because  the  Stivers  family  didn't  want 
the  land  flooded.  They  wanted  to  raise  crops  on  It.   Partly 
from  the  difficulty  of  getting  the  water  from  Alaneda  Creek  to 
the  Stivers  farm,  vrtiich  was  perhaps  a  rnile  awsy.   And  pertly 
Just  because  it  died  for  lack  of  promotion.   It  was  too  uncertain 

Q.  Could  they  hcvo  gotten  *ater  from  Mission  Creek  in 
there? 


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A.  Mission  Creek  does  flow  through  the  Stivers  Pood  but 
the  bottom  of  the  pond  ia  almost  impervious.  It  would  have  to 
be  combined  with  works  to  divert  the  water  into  the  gravels, 
whioh  would  be  about  40  feet  deep  in  that  area,   tie  have  put  a 
well  down  in  whioh  we  are  experimenting  to  see  if  it's  practical 
to  put  more  wells  or  a  big  pit  in  order  to  conserve  that  water 
that  runs  out  of  the  Stivers  Pond  to  the  Bay. 

4.  That  brings  up  the  question  of  drain  wells.  Is  there 
sufficient  water  saved  by  the  drain  walls  to  make  any  substantial 
contribution  to  the  district? 

4.   We  don't  think  so,  and  it's  too  dangerous  because  of 
the  chance  of  pollution  from  housing  areas  and  also  because  the 
drain  wells,  if  they  use  untreated  water,  will  'gradually  clog 
up  through  the  growth  of  algae.   It  would  be  necessary  to 
chlorinate  the  water  before  it  was  put  in,  and  It  juat  doesn't 
seem  practical.   The  Aatur  Listrict  has  forbidden  any  drain  wells 
being  put  in  that  will  be  permanent.   It  ia  just  an  emergency 
to  get  by  the  period  before  the  Flood  Control  ditches  go  in, 
which  will  take  care  of  the  drainage. 

Q.  Another  five  years  will  possibly  see  the  elimination 
of  those? 

% 

A.   I  think  so. 

Q.   [Page  91,  April  27,  1953]  W&s  the  lease  of  the  56" 
pipe  line  from  San  Francisco  ever  consummated? 

A.   Be  long  considered  purchasing  the  36"  pipe  line  and 
San  Francisco  was  not  willing  to  give  it  up.  Then  we  talked 
with  tir.  Percy  ana  Ur.  Espy,  who  had  the  greatest  knowledge 
of  the  needs  of  San  Francisco  in  that  respect.  They  suggested 


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that  we  offer  to  take  a  lease  on  the  pi  pa  line,  and  that  is  still 
under  consideration. 

£.  I  gather  you* re  not  too  keen  on  the  lease? 

A.   No,  because  If  we  got  It,  we  would  want  to  put  con 
siderable  capital  Into  itaklng  It  available  for  the  purposes 
that  we  foresaw.   ?e  wouldn't  want  to  give  It  up  on  a  lease 
basis  If  we  want  Into  the  planning  of  our  pipe  line  system— 
the  sizes  snd  so  on,  and  then  have  an  Important  part  of  It  good 
for  only  a  few  years'  time. 

Q.   [Page  93,  February  24,  1954]  In  reference  to  a  re 
tirement  plan,  was  one  finally  adopted—one  that  affiliates 
the  District  either  with  the  State  or  the  Alameda  County  Retire 
ment  Systems? 

A.   We  are  still  studying  that  problem,  and  other  things 
have  come  up  that  have  put  It  off.  We  have  a  plan  partly  worked 
out  for  the  purpose. 

Q.   Would  that  take  care  of  men  like  Richmond  who  have 
long  since  retired? 

A.   It  would  do  so,  because  although  he  and  Mr.  Barrold 
have  retired,  we  had  an  arrangement  by  which  they  are  on  call, 
you  ailght  say,  as  advisers  In  lines  that  they  covered,  and  they 
are  still  In  that  category.   The  attorneys  are  trying  to  arrange 
a  plan  that  will  Include  them. 

Q.   That  would  save  you  from  having  to  put  up  the  money 
that  now  goes  for  their  semi-retirement. 

A.   Yes. 

Q.      [Page  97,    July  9,    1954]     Why  did  Messrs.   Amaral   and 
Qrinsner  feel   the   District  should  abandon  underground  pumping? 


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A.   The  basis  of  that,  if  I  understand  It,  Is  that  the 
underground  water  should  bo  conserved  for  tba  purposes  of 
agriculture.   Dr.  Grimmer  also  believed  that  the  Hetoh  Hetobj 
water  was  much  superior  from  a  health  point  of  view.  He  was 
an  advocate  of  the  use  of  the  Hetoh  Hetohy  watar,  so  that  he 
got  it  in  Irvington,  which  was  his  town,  and  reported  very 
favorably  on  its  use,  so  it  was  left  in  there.  Amaral,  being 
a  farmer,  was  against  any  pumping  for  other  purposes  than  farm 
ing.  But  right  now,  just  at  the  last  meeting,  Dr.  Grimmer  has 
reversed  himself  and  demands  that  the  Hetoh  Hetohy  be  given  up, 
so  it's  a  little  peculiar  situation. 

Q.   Is  It  now  a  matter  of  price  that's  affecting  him? 

A.  Yes,  and  at  this  time  he  was  willing  to  pay  the  price 
because  he  said  the  benefits  were  so  great,  and  the  saving  of 
sosp  was  one  of  his  arguments.   Soft  water  saves  so  much  soap, 
he  said  it  would  pay  its  own  way,  but  he  has  quite  violently 
turned  the  other  way  now. 

£.   Why  the  violence? 

A.   Veil— you'd  better  ask  him. 

q..   [Page  98,  November  10,  1954]  In  reference  to  the 
Soito  well.  Has  tba  Solto  well  been  used  during  this  past 
summer,  1955?  And  if  so,  hava  there  been  any  complaints  by 
the  neighbors? 

A.   It's  being  used  steadily,  and  I've  been  by  there 
several  times  recently  and  the  neighbors  are  pumping  lots  of 
water.   So  they  are  not  complaining,  naturally.  Their  claims 
were  entirely  unfounded. 

Q.   [Page  100,  January  6,  1955]  Did  I  ask  you  a  moment 
ago  how  long  it  would  take  the  Flood  Control  District's  tiro- 


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proposed  developments  to  eliminate  the  need  for  drain  wells? 

A.   I  think  that  it  will  be  a  matter  of  only  a  few  years 
before  that  ia  taken  care  of.  They  will  first  take  those  areaa 
that  ere  thickly  built  up  and  eliminate  the  drainage  problem. 
That  is  mostly  In  the  area  between  Newark  and  Centervllle,  and 
one  of-  the  first  drain  ditches,  I  think,  will  go  through  that 
STOP  and  then  those  wells  will  have  to  be  plugged. 

£•  [Page  101,  Merch  2  and  9,  1955]  In  reference  to  the 
Tri -County  Authority,  what  Is  the  importation  scheme  that  the 
Tri -County  Authority  would  principally  back? 

A.  They  have  specifically  said  that  they  are  not  backing 
cny  particular  scheme.   Their  first  duty  le  to  study  all  projects 
end  make  up  their  minds  as  to  whet  is  the  beet, 

Q.  Does  the  District  favor  a  scheme  that  ie  probably  not 
the  seme  scheme  that  fan  Benito  and  Santa  Clara  Counties  would 
favor? 

A.  Not  unleee  they  should  attempt  to  bring  water  in  by 
way  of  Pachecc  Pass.  In  that  case  Alameda  County  feels  it  oan 
bring  the  water  in  by  Itself  cheaper  than  to  bring  it  clear  up 
north  from  the  Pacheco  Pass.  They  are  in  a  position  to  put  in 
their  owr  pumping  plant  and  to  bring  it  into  our  valley  and  to 
the  Livermore-Pleasanton  area  to  greater  advantage,  I  think* 

Q.  Ifould  it  be  an  equally  good  route,  so  far  as  the  lower 
Santa  Clam  Valley  end  Sen  Benito  County  ere  concerned? 

A.   Eo  far,  the  engineers  who  heve  been  working  on  it, 
both  local  and  state,  say  that  that  is  advisable  for  all  of 
them,  with  the  possible  exception  of  San  Benito  County.   It 
will  be  better  to  carry  it  in  through  the  Alt  amont  Hills  some 
where  into  the  Livermore  Valley  and  carry  it  on  at  an  elevation 


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of  about  500  feat,  through  tha  Santa  Clara  and  San  Benlto  areas. 
But  of  oourae  there  hasn't  been  a  final  full  study  made,  and  it 
oould  change. 

Q.  What  proportion  of  the  underground  storage  ia  lost  by 
the  upper  gravels  being  salty? 

/..   I  don't  think  that  that  aan  be  determined.   I  don't 
think  that  it  is  sufficiently  open  to  observation.  It  would 
require  endless  computations  and  analyse*  of  water  in  wells  to 
see  Just  That  was  going  on  underground.  But  the  mass  of  salt 
water  that  is  flowing  gradually  into  this  upper  gravel  haa  de 
stroyed  the  usability  of  the  water  in  the  upper  gravel,  and 
what  is  happening  to  the  lower  gravels  is  simply  beyond  any 
one's  guess.  The  action  of  salt  water,  as  it  spills  through 
or  rather  over  the  impervious  stratum  of  clay,  in  the  area 
towerds  Niles,  may  be  that  it  is  dropping,  because  of  its 
higher  specific  gravity,  clear  to  the  bottom  of  our  basin, 
which  is  of  unknown  depth.   It  is  probably  beyond  a  thousand 
feet.   I  don't  know  of  any  well  that  has  gone  deeper  than  a 
thousand  feet,  but  they  haven't  struck  hard  rock  in  the  middle 
of  the  valley.  So  salt  water  may  be  accumulating  end  rising 
from  the  bottom,  and  if  so  it's  a  very  bad  situation.  But  we 
can't  compute  it  at  all. 

Q.  Do  you  foresee  a  possibility  of  sealing  off  and  flush 
ing  tho  upper  gravels? 

A.   I  think  so. 

Q..   Is  the  water  that's  now  intruding  pest  Newark  of  about 
the  same  specific  gravity  as  sea  water?  Or  is  it  well  diluted? 


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A.   It  beoexnes  rrore  and  r.oro  diluted  as  It  progresses 
farther  Into  the  valley.  There  are  wells  that  have  analyzed 
nearly  eea  water  concentration.   Others  are  on  the  margin 
between  usable  and  non-usable  water  for  irrigation  purposes. 

Q.  About  how  fur  from  Niles  to  Centervllle  is  that  line 
now? 

A.   It  is  lust  barely  paat  the  outskirts  of  Centervllle 
to  the  east,  and  it  doesn't  seen  to  be  advancing  as  a  line. 
But  over  the  years  it's  increasing  in  salt  content,  which  makes 
me  feel  that  maybe  this  salt  water  Is  dropping  down  to  the 
lower  grave In. 

Q.   /.a  agricultural  use  diminishes  and  domestic  use  in 
creases,  may  it  be  possible  that  Alameda  Creek 'waters  will  re- 
rcr.in  sufficient  to  cere  for  pgricultural  needs  and  imported 
water  be  used  as  a  prirary  source  of  domestic  water? 

A.   The  two  could  be  separated  quite  easily.   ~e  have  our 
present  main  reservoir  nt  the  mouth  of  Niles  Canyon,  and  as  the 
importation  of  domestic  water  under  the  present  plan  would  come 
in  «t  about  the  500-foot  level,  it  would  be  very  easy  to  drop 
thfit  water  both  into  that  reservoir  and  into  several  others 
that  we  ere  planning -to  build.   It  would  be  entirely  feasible 
to  do  so,  and  so  leave  all  the  water  that  comes  down  Alameda 
Creek  for  percolation  for  Pgricultural  use. 

Q.   Is  the  Niles  reservoir  right  in  the  creek? 

A.   Bo,  it  Is  at  an  elevation  of,  I  suppose,  about  50  feet 
above  the  creek. 

Q.   An  artificial  reservoir  entirely,  then? 


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A.  Yea.  It's  In  conjunction  with  a  San  Francisco  reser 
voir  of  about  5  million  gallons,  and  this  is  100,000  gallons 
that  we  constructed  on  San  Francisco  ground  with  their  coopera 
tion. 

Q.  Is  there  a  littla  dsun  across  the  creek  still? 

A.  Yes,  there  is  the  old  stone  chute  dam,  which  wsa  built 
In  old  Spanish  days  to  grind  meal  out  of  wheat  at  5ilos--tha 
old  Vallejo  Mill.  The  foundation  Is  still  there,  and  thia  atone 
chute  threv  the  water  Into  a  ditch  and  flume  and  carried  it  at 
a  slight  elevation  to  where  it  turned  the  mill  wheel.  That  is 
the  stone  chute  that  enters  into  the  documents  of  the  area 
today,  for  it  Is  still  there. 

Q..   Is  there  any  diversion  work  where  you  'divert  watar  into 
the  Shinn  Pits?  . 

A.  Yes.  We  built  a  battery  of  pipes  into  a  concrete  foun 
dation  and  a  concrete  stepping  down  of  the  flow  of  the  water  into 
the  Shinn  Pit,  which  was  very  much  deeper  than  Alaaeda  Creek 
itself. 

Q.  You  didn't  hsve  to  construct  a  dam  across  the  creek 
itself? 

A.  No.  It  flows  In  because  of  the  head  of  water  in  flood 
time  thrftogh  these  pipes  into  the  Shinn  Pit, 

Q.  Have  you  built  any  reservoirs  in  the  southern  part  of 
the  District? 

A.   No,  except  at  Mission  San  Jose,  where  there  is  a 
100,000  gallon  reservoir  on  the  old  Wltherly  Ranch,  at  an 
elevation  of  about  500  feet.  That  was  put  in  in  order  to  have 
a  water  supply  for  Mission  San  Jose.  It  is  pumped  from  our 
mains  up  into  this  reservoir  Just  to  have  storage  at  that  ele- 


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Q..  I  suppose  that  tea  two  reservoirs  together  are  at 
about  the  ssze  elevation  and  ar«  the  principal  source  of  your 
pressure? 

•A,   Ho,  the  reason  for  the  booster  pump  is  that  the  Riles 
reservoir  is  about  180-scrce  feet,  while  the  Mission  reservoir, 
I  think,  is  nearly  500  feet,  and  so  we  took  out  the  water  from 
the  train  at  Irvlngton,  for  this  reservoir  at  the  L'ission,  and 
puxpod  it  with  a  booster  pump  to  get  that  elevation;  and  also 
there  tvas  a  spring  above  that  reservoir  that  flowed  a  consid 
erable  quantity  cf  water,  and  the  surplus  that  was  not  used  by 
Mr.  Tfltherly  flowed  into  this  tank.  So  It  was  an  advantage  to 
hove  it  at  that  point. 

Q.   Well,  I  think  I've  Just  about  run  out  -of  questions. 


INDEX  —  Volume   II 


328 


Adams,    John,      195,   196 

Adams,    Sally,      195.   196,    221,   227- 

228 
agricultural   community,    political 

strength,      69-77,   89-90,   129-136 
Alameda,    Tony,      72-73 
Alameda   County.      See  development, 
southern  Alameda   County;  water 
issues,    southern  Alameda   County; 
Fremont,    California;   Newark, 
California 
Alameda   County   Flood   Control 

District,      55-56,   176-178,   312-314 
Alameda   County  Water  District,      13- 
116,   279-327 

annexations,      1-2,   15,   101-107, 
112-113,   288-289,   293-295,   301, 
306-307 

board  of   directors,      13-18,   21-23, 
24,    27-30,   36-37,   48-52,   60,   72- 
75.   100-101,   111.   114-116,   309- 
310 
community    relations,    19-20,   113- 

114,   165 
early   directors  and  employees, 

283,   285-286,   296-297 
formation  of   district,      280-283 
planning  for   growth,      18,   20-21, 
26-30,   37-41,   52,   58-59,   61-62, 
75,   164-165 
role  of   general   manager,      23,   37, 

98,   114 

See  also  Patterson,    William  D.  ; 
water  issues,    southern  Alameda 
County 

Alameda  Creek.      See  flood  control; 
water  issues,    southern  Alameda 
County,    riparian  rights 
Alameda   Creek  quarries,      273-275 
Amaral.   Louis,      22,   34,  308,  321-322 
aquifer  reclamation  program,      66-68, 

81-83 

Ardenwood  Park  Advisory   Committee, 
276-277 


Ardenwood  Regional   Preserve, 
citizen  involvement,      271-273. 

See  also  Fisher,    Robert  B. 
establishment  and  plan,      182-183, 

187,   229-238,   266-267 
eucalyptus   trees,      270-271 
G.    W.    Patterson  house,      182-183. 

226-229,   237 
management,      238-253 
water  quality   problems,      80-83 
Arroyo  Del  Valle,      41-44,   314 
Azevedo,    Tony,      267 


Baker,    John,      272 
Balentine,   James  E. ,      190-191 
Banks,    Harvey,      42,   53,   59.   85-87 
Bay  Area  Regional  Water  Quality 

Control  Board,      90-91 
Belli,    Melvin,      202-204 
Bentham,    David,      235 
Bernardo,    Manuel,      22,   72-73 
Binkley,    Thad,      20,   27,   43,   53,   59, 

316 

Black,    John,      95 
Borghi,    Frank,      73,   114 
Brooks,    Barbara  Matthews,      151-152, 

156 
Brooks,    Jack,      75,    (Int.)    145-206, 

222-223,   229,   267-269 


Calaveras  dam,      291-292 
California  nursery,      304-305,  310- 

311 
California  State  Department  of  Water 

Resources,      42,   44,   53-54.   58-59, 

61-63.   66,   316 
California  state  water  plan,    1932, 

299 
California  state  water  project. 

South  Bay  Aqueduct,      52-55,  61-62, 

323-324 
Citation  Homes,      193 


329 


Citizens  Utility   Company.      101-107 
Conway  and  Culligan,      37-39.   75 
Cook.   Lyle.      87 
Coyote  Hills  Regional   Park.      179- 

180.   201 
Crowle.   Herbert.     55-56.  314 


Davis.    Al.      155-156 

Del  Valle  reservoir.      42.   58 

Democratic   Party.      152-153 

development,    southern  Alameda 
County.      149-152.   295-296.   315- 
316.      See  also  Patterson  Ranch, 
development;    Fremont,    development 
and  planning;  Washington  Township, 
development  in 

Dusterberry.    Frank.      309 

Dutra,    William.      128 


East  Bay  Regional   Park  District. 

269-277.      See  also  Ardenweod 

Regional   Preserve 
Eastwood.    Joe,      48-50 
environmental   impact  review    [EIR], 

108-109 
Esley.   Bernadette.     217 


Fisher,   Robert  B. .      (Int.)    212-253 
flood  control.      31-32.   44-45.   55-56. 
163-164.   176-179.   295-296.   312- 
314.   322-323 

fluoridatien.      See  water  issues, 
southern  Alameda   County. 
fluoridation 
Fremont.    California 

boundaries.      128-129,   166-167 
city  politics,      138-139.   169-170. 
171.    174-175.   184-189.   195-200. 
218 

development  and  planning,      137- 
138.   168-175,    180-181.   183-193. 
216.   229-231.   266-277 
Historical  Architectural   Review 

Board    (HARB) ,      218.   224 
Historical   Resources   Commission, 
216-218.   221 


Fremont.    California   (continued) 
incorporation  of.      127-137.   165- 

167 
parks  and  historic   preservation. 

214-225.      See  also  Ardenwoed 

Regional   Preserve 
Recreation  Commission,      214-217 
See  also  Washington  Township; 

Patterson  Ranch 
and  water  district,      34,   40-41, 

54.   113 


Gallegos  water  system,      1-2 
George.    Emanuel.      308.   309 
Grimmer.    E.    M. ,      13-15.   21.   29.  37, 
321-322 


Harding,    Sidney,      41-42,   58-60 
Harrold,   Herbert,     15,   16 
Ha  thorn  family,      227,   240-241 
Hetch  Hetchy  water.      See  water 

issues,    southern  Alameda   County 
historic  preservation.      See  Fremont, 

California,    parks  and  historic 

preservation;  Arderwood  Historic 

Preserve 

Howe,    Juliane,      217 
Hyman,    Morris.      27,   43,   69 


Johns,    Frank,      247,   248 


land-use   planning 

planned  district    [PD]  .      170.    173- 

175.   200 
planned  unit   development    [PUD]  . 

170-174 
See  also   Patterson  Ranch,   master 

plan 

League   of  Women  Voters.      114 
Lewton.    David,      240.   245,   251 
Livermore  Valley,   water,      42,   58, 
90-92.   93 


330 


McLane.    Harry.      247.   250 

MacViker.   Len.      215 

Mare   Island  Naval    Shipyard,      9-11, 

17-18 
Matthews,    Barbara.       See   Brooks, 

Barbara  Matthews 
Medeiros,    Keith.      272 
Milnes,    Larry,      113,    186-189,    232, 

241.   244.   250.    (Int.)    265-277 
Minges  family.      221,    227.    240 
Mission  Peak  Heritage   Foundation. 

215.    221-225.    228.    232-235.    238. 

241-244 

Mission  Peak  Regional   Preserve.      275 
Mission  San  Jose.    California,      4-5, 

6-7,   214,   218 
Mission  San  Jese  Historic  District, 

218-220.   224 


Newark.    California,      128.    130.    166- 
167.   184-185.   189-191.   224-225 

Niles  Sand  and  Gravel   Company,      84- 
88 

Nixon,    Stuart,      131-133 

North   Plain.      See   Fremont, 
California;    Patterson  Ranch 


Oakland  Water  Works    (Company),      15, 

20,   57 

Ohlone   Indians,      232-233 
Overacker,    Michael,      131,   134 
Overview,    Inc.,      234-235 


Pacific  States  Steel,      48-50 
Patterson,    Donald,      26,    158,    161, 

194-196,   221.   246 
Patterson,    George  Washington,    house, 

220.      See  also  Ardenwood  Regional 

Preserve.    G.    W.    Patterson  house 
Patterson.    Henry.      133-135,    158, 

160-161,   163 
Patterson,    Marjorie,      183,    221 


Patterson,    William  D. 

as  Alameda  County  Water  District 
director/president,      13-14,  22- 
24.    26-30.    45-46.    50-51,    60, 

165.   (Int.)    280-327 
attitude  toward  develoment.     30- 

31.   133-136,   157-163.   295-296 
characterized.     24.  25.  205-206 
home.      25.   226 
interest  in  flood   control,      44-45, 

176,   295-296,  312-314.  317 
Patterson  House  Advisory  Board. 

242-246.   276 

Patterson  Ranch,   Livermore.     44 
Patterson  Ranch,    southern  Alameda 
County 

agriculture  on.      196-199.   201- 

202 
development   of,      157-162,    178, 

182-195 

family  incorporation,     202-205 
levees  and  creek  diversion,      281 
master  plan,      195-202 
parklands  on,      179-180 
relations  with  cities,      129, 

187-188.   191 
Patterson  vs.    Spring  Valley  Water 

Company.      286-289.    292-293 
People's  Water  Company,      290 
Pihl,   John,     48,   50,  75,   116 
Pitcher,    Robert,      272 
planning.      See  land-use   planning 
Pond,    Wallace,      (Int.)    126-139 
Potter.    Roy.      170-173.   180-181 
Prouty.    Jack,      22,   48,   50-51 
Public  Utilities  Commission, 

California,      103-104 
pump  tax.      See  water  issues, 
southern  Alameda   County 


Reber.    John,      45-46 

Reber  plan,     45-47,  297-298 

Redd,    Al,      104 

Redecker,    Clark,      73,   114 

replenishment  assessment.      See  water 

issues,    southern  Alameda   County. 

pump  tax 


331 


Rhodes  and  Jamieson    Company.      84-88 
Richmond.    Ed.      15-17.   19.   297 
Rogers.   John.      87-88 
Runckel,    Chris.      280-283 


saltwater  intrusion.      See  water 

issues.    Southern  Alameda   County 
San  Jose  State   College.      5-6 
Saratoga  Horticultural   Foundation. 

277 

sewer  district.      162-163 
Shinn.    J.    C. .      283-284 
Singer  Housing  Company,      183,   185- 

193.    267-269 

Smith.    Francis  M.    "Borax",      290-291 
Soito  well.      47,   322 
South  Bay  Aqueduct.      See   California 

State  Water  Project,    South  Bay 

Aqueduct 
South  Pacific   Coast  Railroad 

Organization    [SPCRR]  ,   224-225 
Soviet  Union,  water   treatment 

plants,      98-99 
Spring  Valley  Water   Company,      293- 

294 
Strandberg,    Carl,      74,   101 


Tevis,   Lloyd,      290-291 
Trudeau.    Richard.      236.   241 


Union   City.    California.      128 
United  Properties   Company.      290-291 
United  States  Maritime  Academy, 

146-149 
United  States  Navy,      9-11.   17-18 


Washington  Township    (continued) 
schooling  in,      4-6 
See  also   Fremont,    California 
Washington  Township  Historical 

Society.      213.   216-217.   228,   241- 
244,   248.   250 

water  issues,    southern  Alameda 
County 

drought.   1977.     109-113 
fluoridation,      93-98 
protecting  water  quality.      79. 

83,   90-92.   308-309.   320 
pump  tax.      69-77 
recharging  ground  basin.      33-34. 
40.    56-58.   64-68.   84-88.  301- 
302.   314-315.   317 
riparian  rights.      283-284.   292- 

293,   302-306,   310-311 
saltwater  intrusion,      63-68.   78- 

83.   289-290.   311.   324-325 
softening.     35.    93-94 
use   of  Hetch  Hetchy  water,      34- 

36.   40.   54-55.   113.  321-322 
See  also  Alameda   County  Water 

District 
water  projects.      See   California 

State  Water  Project 
Weed.    Cecilia.      228.   241-242,   244 
Whitfield,    Mathew  Joseph   (father  of 

Mathew  P.),      1-2 
Whitfield,    Mathew   P.,      (Int.)    1- 

116,   164-165 
Williams,    Lee  S. ,      133 
Williamson  Act.      187-188.   194.   199 
World  War  II  service.      9-11.   17-18 


Valley,   Wayne,     154-156 
Vincent,    Irene.      104 


Warne.   William  E.,      53,   62-63 
Washington  Township 

community,    pre-World  War  II,      7, 
213 

development   in.      127.   136.    157-165 


ANN  LAGE 


B.A. ,  University  of  California,  Berkeley,  with  major 
in  history,  1963 

M.A. ,  University  of  California,  Berkeley,  history,  1965 

Post-graduate  studies,  University  of  California,  Berkeley, 
1965-66,  American  history  and  education;  Junior 
College  teaching  credential,  State  of  California 

Chairman,  Sierra  Club  History  Committee,  1978-1986;  oral 
history  coordinator,  1974-present 

Interviewer/Editor,  Regional  Oral  History  Office,  in  the 
fields  of  conservation  and  natural  resources, 
land  use,  university  history,  California  political 
history,  1976-present.